\( eric youngblood \) subject old corvettes low insurance \? reply peon w email \( eric youngblood \) nntp posting host organization bnr , inc lines 47 article 1993apr15 ns1 cc lehigh edu , ns1 cc lehigh edu \( scott warren \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , uxa cso uiuc edu \( george nz \) writes many years school i'm finally graduating getting real job course trying make plans spend extra money right 89 accord , good car , real sporty thinking selling two years dropping around 20k sports car kind thinking , may better idea 'll keep accord drops buy car 've always wanted corvette reasoning 8000 \( accord \) 8000 \( corvette \) less would spend anyway basically , i'm thinking late 70 's , early 80 's around 7 10k question , good years consider \( reliability , looks , horsepower order , believe , horsepower main concern , want go fast , get motorcycle \) good prices \? also , would insurance look like \? i'm male , single , 23 \( might wait i'm 25 get car lower insurance \) would fact mainly drive car lower \? type classic car rarely driven insurance class driving 10k miles per year \? dad 66 vette say basically means restricted amount driving time , basically means cant used every day car would probably suit needs limited mileage addition restricted mileage , many classic insurance carriers also require vehicle garaged use 0 02 eric youngblood bell northern research richardson , texas , \( peon w email
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject national crime survey organization university tennessee division continuing education lines 19 well , dropped library yesterday , picked back copies national crime survey \( 1986 1990 \) effort examine said self defense firearm n't ground much way numbers yet , couple things jumped first 1986 1987 specify type weapon used self defense 1988 , 1989 , 1990 refer weapon second assaults rose 3 1986 1987 , w gun defenses reported fell almost 25 unless 's explanation , i'm tempted mark reporting problem , going ahead examination numbers would waste time anybody idea might cause real difference , reporting difference \? survey n't appear changed significantly 1986 1987 david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu
sp1marse \( marco seirio \) subject small pc lines 15 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 i'm looking pc small n't break apart drop n't graphics , text fine n't fast either , 8086 , hope must stand pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart , trying use outdoor raining forth need 640kb memory way loading applications wrote \( floppy cartridge \? \) pc like \? \? get info \? know atari portfolio ca n't stand rain marco seirio real life sp1marse caligula
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 39 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 1993apr19 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote true stated jesus' saving grace available everyone , jews words , everyone salvation everyone option open people jews course , jews n't accept deity christ , would hardly expect accept anything christ said n't feel animosity towards even though persecuted jesus disciples eventually crucified , bear ill anything , feel pity jesus die pay price sins jews merely fulfilling prophesy jesus knew die even began ministry demonstrates great depth love us jesus certainly demonstrated great depth love children died today davidian complex sorry , events today made even negative organized religion understand sympathize pain happened waco sad n't take us christians though branch davidians organized religion cult led ego cult leader christian faith stands shoulders one man , lord lords king kings , jesus christ btw , david koresh jesus christ claimed god , malcolm lee \) cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
lipman oasys dt navy mil \( robert lipman \) subject call presentations navy vr seminar article oasys expires 30 apr 93 04 00 00 gmt reply lipman oasys dt navy mil \( robert lipman \) distribution usa organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 65 call presentations navy scientific visualization virtual reality seminar tuesday , june 22 , 1993 carderock division , naval surface warfare center \( formerly david taylor research center \) bethesda , maryland sponsor ness \( navy engineering software system \) sponsoring one day navy scientific visualization virtual reality seminar purpose seminar present exchange information navy related scientific visualization virtual reality programs , research , developments , applications presentations presentations solicited aspects navy related scientific visualization virtual reality current work , works progress , proposed work navy organizations considered four types presentations available 1 regular presentation 20 30 minutes length 2 short presentation 10 minutes length 3 video presentation stand alone videotape \( author need attend seminar \) 4 scientific visualization virtual reality demonstration \( \) accepted presentations published proceedings , however , materials reproduced seminar attendees abstracts authors submit one page abstract videotape robert lipman naval surface warfare center , carderock division code 2042 bethesda , maryland 20084 5000 voice \( 301 \) 227 3618 fax \( 301 \) 227 5753 e mail lipman oasys dt navy mil authors include type presentation , affiliations , addresses , telephone fax numbers , addresses multi author papers designate one point contact deadlines submission deadline april 30 , 1993 notification acceptance sent may 14 , 1993 materials reproduction must received june 1 , 1993 information , contact robert lipman address please distribute widely possible , thanks robert lipman internet lipman oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin lip ocean dt navy mil computational signatures \( 301 \) 227 3618 structures group , code 2042 \( 301 \) 227 5753 bethesda , maryland 20084 5000 stockings long legs sixth sick 's sixth sheep 's sick
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject space food sticks keywords food lines 25 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article news cso uiuc edu , cso uiuc edu \( john \) writes anyone ever heard food product called space food sticks \? apparently created marketed around time lunar expeditions , along tang dehydrated foods spoken several people eaten , described dehydrated candy information would greatly appreciated freeze dried roll \( tm \) actual taste sensation like nothing ever willingly experience amazing thing ate second one , third doubt actually flew missions , i'm certain bad things gastrointestinal tract compared space food sticks , tang contribution mankind dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) god gave us weather would n't complain pyron skndiv dseg ti com things padi dm 54909 ps n't think tang flew , either although developed contract
ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) subject spagthorpe viking reply ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver b c \( 604 \) 986 9937 \( 604 \) 255 9937 lines 103 ds viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) ds ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes ds riding hill leading ds house , encountered liver white springer spaniel \( relation ds springer softail , springer spagthorpe , close relation ds spagthorpe viking \) ds must missed article spagthorpe viking ds one little illuminated dragon 's head front ds fender , style later copied indian , round side covers \? viking trick little unit made way back \( forties \? fifties \? \) trying make go racing first \( springer \) boxer twin , similar max 's famous design , overhead point cam \( see \) problem thing ground clearance whatsoever solution curve cylinder , ground clearance substantially increased springer motor \( front \) viking motor \( front \) roughly idea , except gradually curved around radius , pistons make sharp turn middle stroke engine also curved connecting rods accomodate stroke engine stuck far revolutionary \( still unique \) overhead cam system use clever valve timing trick valve linkage , single cam lobe required drive overhead valves revolutionary hydraulic valve , used pressurized stream oil power kept lobe spinning one side effect required rather brutal engineering fixes engine 's oil pressure came normal , engine 's valve timing would less random , resulting impressive start valve damage solution little hand crank pressurized cases started beast , remarkably similar system used new porsches oil system car started \( cage , however , uses electric oil pump \) despite fix , engine nasty propensity firing valves pistons cylinder would temporarily lose bit oil pressure corner solution run even higher oil pressures change gaskets seals regularly feasible racing engine single overhead lobe , shaft chain towers hydraulic system , head engine came almost perfect point \( \) lobe xx complex linkage \( shown due complexity \) 0 piston note tip truly vertical \( 70 degree angle ground , drawing n't show curvature none head bore curve would start cylinder bore disappears diagram effect pointy heads top pair gently \( pundits day even said \) curved cylinders much like pair viking horns poking beneath gas tank thus , name moderately successful racer , lightning fast worked , plagued problems relating revolutionary technology eventually , dumped finally realized racing spagthorpe name would made machines raced another year two , fate \( approximately six made , plus one possibly two confusing issue one old swears machine production , many twenty thirty machines may come line however , modern record production viking survived , motorcycle historians discount story ryan cousinetc 1982 yamaha vision xz550 black pig inverness live ride kotrb 1958 ajs 500 c king rat work dod 0863 'd squid could afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver , bc , canada live slmr 2 1a n't sliding , n't riding computer dynamics bbs 604 255 9937 \( hst \) 604 986 9937 \( v32 \) vancouver , bc , canada easy access , low rates , friendly sysop
matthew phantom gatech edu \( matthew deluca \) subject boom ! whoosh organization dorsai grey captains lines 13 nntp posting host oit gatech edu article 1993apr21 mnemosyne cs du edu wdwells nyx cs du edu \( david fuzzy wells \) writes hear insert favorite rumor supposedly coincide atlanta olympics even worse , city atlanta proposal rent space orbiting billboard considering caliber people running city , 's telling 're going us orbit matthew deluca georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
urz unibas ch subject left side pains organization university basel , switzerland lines 21 hello everybody , write kind desperate six weeks , 've suffering pains left head side , left leg sometimes left arm made many tests \( e g computer , negative , lyme , negative , blood correct range \) , 're k , healthy matter fact , feeling also neurologist 's , considered healthy blood tests shown little much \( 17 5 , common range 14 17 , unfortunately know units \) could sided pains result also possible block neck muscles \? fever , feeling entirely sick , neither entirely healthy please answer direct email urz unibas ch thanks every hint
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject political atheists \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 14 nntp posting host lloyd caltech edu sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes explain sudden violent behavior human beings \? theory would state human detached primitive behavior , violent non human becomes \( please correct understanding wrong \) point madman killing people roof campus could explain explains situation \? madmen mad try explain output broken computer \? think keith
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject automatic online encryption data lines 46 andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) also box plug phone , would allow encrypted voice communications someone similar box \? \( digitizing input speech , transmitting , decrypting end \) n't know public key system could work regard , might heh heh posted reading clinton chip messages guess beat anyway , think would great idea develop product , perhaps underground , would otherwise probably become illegal pretty quickly 's really feasible n't expensive 's needed box phone jack one side , dsp middle codec functions speech compressed , rs232 side 'd plug phone , plug rs232 computer , good old fashioned normal modem rs232 port cpu middle would encryption version pgp modified work byte stream v32bis better modems carry , work quality would marginally lower normal telephone highest price , could use one voice mail compatible modems puts upper bound 500 cost box practice , really ought able get price well 100 could software cheap nasty home risc box \( acorn archimedes \) microphone bought 25 pounds , knew write good speech compression software \( n't \) reason wo n't work course hardly anyone one consumer equipment encryption use wiretap chip economics , i'm afraid however get throughput internet even bottleneck v32bis modem get isdn \( ha ha ha \) new nren , might trivial run compressed speech tcp ip connection internet perhaps start thinking standard keep voice internet compatible everyone , side step clipper stuff use internet phone calls future \) 1 2 joking g
vax5 cit cornell edu subject impreza , altima , \? \? distribution rec organization cornell university lines 14 friend mine buying new car , considering subaru impreza nissan altima right two cars would recommend definately want airbag abs , room tall people long legs suggestions cars 13k dealing 'd interested opinions well please send replies postoffice mail cornell edu , address thanks ! scott
serge argus msk su subject vga 640x400 graphics mode distribution world organization commercial industrial group argus reply serge argus msk su lines 7 8514 vesa tsr supports report crt register state mode \? thank 's serge \( serge argus msk su \)
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject diagnose lyme really reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 20 article 1993apr12 ns1 cc lehigh edu mcg2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( marc gabriel \) writes , i'm saying best way diagnose 's hard culture bb cases point dr n developed feel n't ld comes years experience match unfortunately , would call dr n quack accuse trying make quick buck think would called quack \? quacks n't cultures poo poo lab tests lyme , believe , 've seen many times lab tests n't accurate 'll treat also , dr n 's practice almost exclusively devoted treating lyme patients \? n't know orthopedic surgeons fit pattern usually gps gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject alt sex stories literary critical analysis \) organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 16 article h7v agate berkeley edu , dzkriz ocf berkeley edu \( dennis kriz \) wrote i'm going try something , perhaps many would thought even possible want begin process initiating literary critical study pornography posted alt sex stories , identify major themes motifs present stories posted opening possibility objective moral evaluation material present dennis , i'm astounded n't know interested even study filth alt sex stories provide cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
zen holonet net \( steve \) subject using setwutime \( \) pb170 nntp posting host zen holonet net organization holonet national internet access system 510 704 1058 modem lines 13 aep world std com \( andrew e page \) writes get mac go sleep , ca n't make seem make wake setwutime \( \) powerbook 170 hardware n't timer 140 mac portable one , think powerbook 100 one n't know newer powerbooks , kind doubt got bit , took rooting around developer cd found steve well sf ca us
deon strydom f7 z5 fidonet org \( deon strydom \) subject prophetic warning new york city lines 32 note reply message soc religion christian thomas randall wrote message brings around asking open question bible closed book scripture \? okay us go around saying god told jesus told \? also interesting note called prophecies nothing new rather inspired translation scripture right call prophecy \? misleading \? hi , might want read charismatic chaos john discussed exactly , amongst others words , simplified , position basically one must decide , important experience scripture \? people tend say scripture , without living according feeling prophecy etc tends put across without testing light scripture 's lot , really worthwhile read whether 're charismatic \( cheers \) deon timed b8 internet deon strydom f7 z5 fidonet org via catalyst bbs port elizabeth , south africa \( alt za \) 27 41 34 1122 hst 27 41 34 , v32bis hst
magnus acs ohio state edu \( michael \) subject phillies sweep reds awful reds report 4 14 nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 63 article usenet ucs indiana edu rstimets silver ucs indiana edu \( robert stimets \) writes actually , i'm sure philly ahead 2 7 bottom eighth going post box score since playing criminally bad , pub turn game 's 's cincinnati seven hits , singles , end eighth makes six games exactly one extra base hit cincinnati 0 5 runners scoring position team going completely without power , absolutely hit clutch situations cincinnati starter tom browning pitched 4 1 innings , giving 5 runs 10 h striking 5 surely loser tonight reds starters , supposedly solid , one game year \( course , reds two \) clean batter sabo went 0 4 besides yesterday 's homer , 's sucked plate dibble may actually return friday may mean anything since may find save situation speaking , reds ha exactly one lead week one half innings tuesday manager tony perez says reds swinging bat well right good call , well , 's big difference swinging bat well reds plate ! ! ! ! ! reds fan verge nervous breakdown mike prognosis kevin mitchell 2 3 days' matter day read \? \? \? gary burbank 've told 'll tell strong survive weak disappear intend disappear jimmy magnus acs ohio state edu , rstimets
hamish cloud apana org au \( hamish moffatt \) subject mouse com3 com4 windows organization cloud nine bbs , melbourne , australia lines 53 jpaparel cs ulowell edu \( joseph paparella \) writes problem configuring mouse windows use com3 irq5 n't believe irq5 problem tried mouse com3 , irq4 \( usual place \) still like simply , windows seems support mice com1 com2 funny part , though , microsoft 's mouse driver \( 8 xx \) quite happy mouse sitting com3 ca n't windows use mouse driver , least support com3 \? \) 3 5 7 4 've tried actually , wanted able use second modem \( com3 irq5 \) windows still talk modem created two profiles , \( modem com1 irq4 \) maestro \( maestro com3 irq5 \) talk maestro \( 1 , \) driver support com3 com4 windows suggestion ps 2' setting windows setup would work \( windows 3 0 \) believe possible worst , would need special version 'a' mouse driver looked com3 com4 instead com1 com2 know irq5 irq7 normally printer port irqs , 've seen nothing like 've experimented logitech 's mouse driver , sucess printers attached side note would really like assign com4 higher irq , soundblaster board uses irq7 \( right , i'm using com4 \) , modem know allows settings irqs 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 7 soundblaster pro , support well finally , board supports irqs 9 one \( except ide controller \) hamish hamish moffatt , hamish cloud apana org au apana australian public cloud nine bbs , 3 635 552 fidonet access network association melbourne australia 58 4100 43 mail info apana org au software voice 61 3 803 1326 information
edo casbah acns nwu edu \( edward \) subject notes jays vs indians series nntp posting host acns nwu edu organization northwestern university , evanston illinois distribution na lines 41 article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes substituting irony brains , \( bruce klopfenstein \) said dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes course left rbis 're comparing alomar individual baerga individual , individual stats count forgot runs scored players stealing home , rbi n't count anything uh , right also forgot ca n't get rbi \( barring hr \) nobody base fraction runs come solo hr \? runs scored happened players base batter something good use phrase happened lots people tried figure players ability turn notch clutch rbi whatever situations , 've found evidence anyone ability measurable extent clutch hitters people tend things would cause rbi somebody base end getting rbis proportional many teammates obliged position mistake agree , rbi worthless stat course , stolen bases sometimes runners front player would otherwise run course pitchers pitch differently different people different bases , batting average , slugging obp , hmmm guess homers would count , either point \? rbi might perfect stat nothing stat \( lack \) tell clutch hitters maybe stat tell , either , people know ! ! ! 8 \) ed
ravi merlin dev cdx mot com \( ravi \) subject 13 , 500 mazda 626 dx \( air , fm \) good deal \? nntp posting host elvis dev cdx mot com reply ravi merlin dev cdx mot com \( ravi \) organization motorola codex lines 12 hi netters want know \( w tax \) good deal 1993 mazda 626 dx performance review far mazda 626 good buy \? please reply n't read group often thanks advance ravi ravi kiran purpose education merely , ravi merlin dev cdx mot com assimilation facts blow motorola codex , boston money ravi
cooper ! \( andrew \) subject siggraph conference understanding images keywords graphics animation nyc acm siggraph organization online systems development \( ny , ny \) lines 140 nyc acm siggraph understanding images subject pace university siggraph conference understanding images purpose conference bring together breadth disciplines , including physical , biological computational sciences , technology , art , psychology , philosophy , education , order define discuss issues essential image understanding within computer graphics context featured topics include psychology perception image analysis design text sound philosophy date friday saturday , 21 22 may 1993 time 9 00 6 00 pm place pace downtown theater one pace plaza \( street park row gold street \) ny , ny fees pre registration \( prior 1 may 1993 \) members 55 00 non members 75 00 students 40 00 \( proof f status required \) registration \( 1 may 1993 site \) attendees 95 00 \( registration fee includes , breaks lunch \) send registration information fees dr francis computer science department nyc acm siggraph conference pace university 1 pace plaza \( room \) new york ny voice \( 212 \) 346 fax \( 212 \) 346 1933 email bitnet registration information name title company street address city state zip day phone \( \) evening phone \( \) fax phone \( \) email detailed description artists , designers , scientists , engineers educators share problem moving information one mind another traditionally , used pictures , words , demonstrations , music dance communicate imagery however , expressing complex notions god infinity seemingly well defined concept flower present challenges far exceed technical skills explosive use computers visualization expression tools problem hypermedia , multimedia virtual reality systems vast amounts information confront observer participant multitude simultaneous images sounds possibly unfamiliar , user asks mean \? since image construction , transmission , reception , ultimate understanding complex tasks , strongly influenced physiology , education culture , since electronic media radically amplify processing step , , electronic , must determine fundamental paradigms imagery understanding therefore , purpose conference bring together breadth disciplines , including , limited , physical , biological computational sciences , technology , art , psychology , philosophy , education , order define discuss issues essential image understanding within computer graphics context featured speakers include psychology perception marc de may , university beverly j jones , university oregon barbara , university michael j , mit tom , ohio state university image analysis rao , ibm watson research center , smith college hu , university illinois , university illinois les , university toledo design mark , university illinois , mit text xia lin , pace university john , hunter college jong ding wang , hunter college , co sound matthew , university texas robert wyatt , center high performance computing robert williams , pace university stuart , nynex philosophy michael heim , education foundation
cutter gloster via mind org \( cutter \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict distribution world organization gordian knot , gloster , ga lines 23 jon atlas mitre org \( j e shum \) writes article wolves durham nc us , wolfe wolves durham nc us \( g wo sad day civil rights typical nc \( unfortunately \) typical principle reasonable doubt upheld north carolina , would count state 's favor reasonable doubt dates back human rights time civil rights civil rights issued state whatever strings attached choose said rights means verdicts determined needs state rather guilt innocence traditional sense , subjective rather objective may make harder anticipate right , may sacrificed wrong inadvertantly , really small price pay common good n't think \? cutter gloster via mind org \( chris \) jobs easy person n't holt 's law
news cbnewsk att com subject anger organization bell labs lines 31 paul conditt writes case could n't tell , get extremely angry upset see things like instead rationalizing fears phobias , need reaching people aids socially unacceptable diseases whether got disease actions irrelevant still need jesus aaron bryce cardenas \) writes first issue bring anger obvious ly wrong angry \( gal 5 19 20 \) reason , especially extremely angry par hatred jesus every reason angry us putting cross sin , yet prayer forgive father , know n't know obvious speaking acts flesh speaking emotions emotions moral immoral , good bad emotions first step label emotion good bad numb hide true feelings , accept , god accepts us seems paul 's anger accepted plea us refrain passing judgement afflicted disease reach others give \? calling arguments foolish , , avoiding action fear give others bad feeling , 's forgiving \? think , aaron n't quick judge forgiven aids , dealt taken responsibility feelings made appropriate choices action feelings given anger joe moore
palm lle rochester edu \( andres c \) subject orion drive vacuum \? reply palm lle rochester edu \( andres c \) organization laboratory laser lines 17 nntp posting host palm lle rochester edu article 1993apr20 head cfa harvard edu , willner head cfa harvard edu \( steve willner \) writes nasm photo archives open public \( almost \) still pictures collection available viewing , n't know films least might worth try i'm sure appointments necessary , think posible make copies photographs \( aerospace photographs nasm \) pay copyright fee \? andres c living example application newton 's junior laser law lle rochester edu body rest wants remain
arthur noguerola vos stratus com subject heavy metal \( magazine \) sale \( music \) organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 19 nntp posting host m21 eng stratus com cleaning coffers virtually mint collection heavy metal magazine music mag really mag artwork , et al jam packed amazing sci fi fantasy artwork many masters mint exception 3 split seam cover otherwise perfect , cut outs missing pages sep , nov dec issues 1978 , issues 1979 , 1980 , 1981 , 1982 , 1983 jan thru sep 1984 \( 72 issues believe \) break sold single lot send offers shipping included , pretty heavy course local \( mass , usa \) come get 'em person arthur noguerola vos stratus com
othello ucdavis edu \( \) subject info genoa 8500 vlb card low end vlb \? originator othello ucdavis edu organization university california , davis distribution usa lines 16 looking inexpensive vlb card , yet run across real reviews one cards local stores pushing genoa 8500 125 140 apparently uses cirrus logic acc chip , n't know one \( gd5426 \? \) one shops 've spoken claims card performs diamond stealth 24 vl orchid fahrenheit 1280 plus vl cards \( s3 86c805 based \) , ca n't true using gd5426 like price genoa 8500 , performance behind s3 cards , 'll pay extra 50 one info low end vlb cards would appreciated get replies via email , 'll post summary info anyone else interested thanks advance , brian \( ucdavis edu \)
ux1 isu edu \( ralph \) subject iisi clock upgrade organization idaho state university , pocatello lines 47 hi , getting lot requests information thought would post interested parties \( sorry length \) increase speed 25mhz 33mhz clock must changed 40mhz 50mhz respectively done going static free work station putting aluminum foil work 1 open si lifting tabs back case 2 remove hard disk power scsi cables , spreading tabs , lifting drive 3 remove drive 4 remove power supply spreading tab front lifting supply straight 5 remove fan pressing ears together back , bottom side fan lifting straight 6 remove mother board spreading tabs left right side board sliding board forward lifting board \( connectors back board must removed first \) 7 40mhz clock \( one closest memory modules \) easy even skilled 8 get ic socket round pins remove four pins pushing bottom long nose pliers 9 put four pins holes clock solder 10 insert 50mhz clock 11 put large power transistor heat sink 's processor chip large chip right processor figure way hold heat sync 's place made simple clamp putting four inch screw hole board two chips mount screw using insulated washers screw cross member heat sync 's hold place n't use much pressure 12 put back together go disclaimer procedure used authorized anyone procedure i'm quite sure void bye , ralph \( 208 \) 236 idaho state university email ux1 isu edu
shaig think com \( shai guday \) subject islam borders vs israeli borders organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 47 distribution world nntp posting host composer think com article c50wjj j4r newsflash concordia ca , ilyess ece concordia ca \( ilyess bdira \) writes article bimacs bitnet ehrlich bimacs bitnet \( gideon ehrlich \) writes borders islamic world dreams \? \? islamic world dreams whole planet , kicking current inhabitant , rather deam day everybody converts jews dream , would feel threatened bit contrary protocols zion crowd might suggest , judaism goals islamic readers , waiting honest answer want also honest answer zionists following questions 1 \) jews n't even believe god \( case many founders secular zionism \) right palestine inhabitants palestine , god gave land \? question ask complicated deserves honest answer going provide one current perspective , historical one currently , non jew israeli american , feeling jews diaspora greater right palestine israel , palestinians israelis \( arab jew \) regard jewish israelis , rights israel israelis 2 \) speak west bank inhabitants jews want part israel \? \? mean non religious jews , think aware majority settlers supporters religious part problem , knowledge , palestinians n't want part israel , much would accept \( part \) full citizens israel , responsibilities accorded israeli citizens object current find shai guday stealth bombers , os software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge ,
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject israeli press nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 41 bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes information israel since read american media israeli media , say absolute certainty anybody exclusively american press knowledge israel true picture going course never read arab media , read arab , israeli \( jer post , network enough \) western \( american , french , british \) reports say give israel 10 arabs 10 bias scale \( course switch polarities \) israeli newspapers get either 9 10 , american leading newspapers tv news range 6 10 \( yes israelis israelis \) montreal suburban \( local free newspaper \) probably closer kahane 's views israeli right wing newspapers , british range 0 \( neutral \) 10 , french \( , course \) range 2 \( afro french magazines \) 10 , arab official media range 0 5 \( egyptian \) 9 sa 10 \? want overdo stir people israel therefore since nothing claim israeli papers biased , course may lean right left , like media america still report events people know nothing choose form opinions israel mideast based knowledge average american relies exclusively american media report events mideast consistency accuracy average bias read would probably around 9 , average american would read read new york times similar news makers , 8 read relatively less biased newspapers better
envy reed edu \( joel alexander \) subject epstein barr syndrome questions article reed 1993apr23 reply reed edu organization reed college , portland , lines 19 okay , long shot friend robin recurring bouts type symptoms , regularly going number years 's seen number doctors six last count , think said either mono 're full 's nothing wrong one admitted idea wrong , one claimed epstein barr syndrome , told ebs doctors even believe exists \( obviously , experience \) , 's story \? real \? medical profession believe real \? anyone success treating ebs \? something live \? thanks assistance joel reed edu horde
wangr ecs rpi edu \( fan ! ! \) subject islanders ! ! ! ! nntp posting host ecs rpi edu reply wangr rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute , troy , ny lines 2 need say \? \? \? \? \? \? \?
epritcha psych uiuc edu \( evan pritchard \) subject div conf names distribution na organization uiuc department psychology lines 59 maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes bu edu jason gibson writes live changes made \( e g playoff format change \) , change division conference names really annoys batman tsn last night saying changing names would make game easier occasional fan follow said meant changing names make game easier americans non hockey cities follow n't know many friends hard time following teams division even minimal amount exposure game allows person quickly pick nothing wrong making game easier americans follow fans even dislike occasional fan always chance fans become fanatics glad names changed another reason names patrick , smythe , norris , adams campbell names called builders game type thinking put stein hall fame absolute nonsense real builders game richard , , howe , conacher , orr , etc going name divisions people least name divisions people deserve think incorrect , roger patrick , smythe adams played coached league becoming front office types hence , help build league , although great players agree name name name , people trouble names easily processed fans , changing names easily processed seems like reasonable idea get people \( arena \) door , let 's , realize great game hockey , teach something history game history names put rather succinctly used game hockey make money imagine pocklington division \? ballard division \? green division \? , would want see ballard division say owners assholes , hence nhl management people assholes would fallacious conn smythe , example , classy individual \( heard \) also , n't point professional hockey make money involved , would include players think might saying players made much money due , players make game great people put ice , naming division management people rather players adding insult \( form lesser recognition \) injury \( less money deserved \) evan pritchard number 1 9 depending hockey pool epritcha psych uiuc edu
chrism cirrus com \( chris metcalfe \) subject nazi eugenic theories circulated cpr \( peace \) organization cirrus logic inc lines 85 strong evidence cpr really stands unbelievable disgusting proves must never forget ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! article 1483500348 igc apc org cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) writes center policy research cpr subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east unconventional eugenic solutions jewish problem suggested northern europeans past eugenics science deals improvement \( control human mating \) qualities race breed webster 's ninth collegiate dictionary 5 emergence considerable number 'mixed' marriages israel palestine , would relatives 'both sides' divide , would make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence truly civil society existence strong 'mixed' stock people would also help integration israeli society middle east graceful manner nothing husseini 's statement zionist entity must forcing engage surrounding normal arab society strong mixed stock , integration israeli society middle east graceful manner , phrases nazi racial engineering pure simple israeli society right exist per se ! 3 fundamentalist jews would certainly object use financial incentives encourage point view , continued existence specific jewish people overrides consideration , human love , peace human rights president world jewish congress , edgar , reflected view years ago interview gave der spiegel , german magazine called increasing assimilation jews world calamity , comparable effects holocaust objection merit either fulfill first two assumptions \( see \) continued existance specific jewish people overrides consideration , human love , peace human rights jewish people protect human values love peace yes heard himmler notice source problem seems jews analysis ya , der ist gut 5 may objected fund would need great sums bring substantial demographic changes objection merits however , must remembered huge sums , 3 billion , expended year united states government u organizations maintain elusive peace middle east armaments mere fraction sums would suffice launch proposal create favorable climate towards existence 'mixed' marriages israel palestine , thus encouraging emergence non society worn torn land nice attempt mix slam u aid israel would thankful critical comments proposal well dissemination proposal meaningful discussion enrichment elias davidsson post box 1760 121 reykjavik , iceland critical comment take nazi flag holocaust photos bedroom wall , elias 'll never succeed chris metcalfe ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 'll find fans really stand
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject request information essential tremor \? reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 12 article life ai mit edu sundar ai mit edu writes essential tremor progressive hereditary tremor gets worse patient tries use effected member limbs , vocal cords , head involved beta usually effective diminishing tremor alcohol also effective , alcohol toxic use treatment gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
brians atlastele com \( brian sheets \) subject constitutionality 18 u c 922 \( \) organization atlas telecom inc disclaimer views expressed necessarily represent employer distribution usa lines 28 know , reading 18 u c 922 something make sence wondering someone could help say u c 922 \( 1 \) except provided paragraph \( 2 \) , shall unlawful person transfer possess machinegun well got looking law dictionary found person might also artificial entity created government rights federal constitution , n't understand statute like 922 enforced individual someone tell government tell cannot possess passing law make law everyone knows laws goes court , ever gone court , run mill ok guilty , put jail anyone ever claimed right possess told supreme court n't right \? brian sheets truck \? ! truck \? support engineer `o o' atlas telecom inc \( \) raiders lost ark brians atlastele com u
godzilla larc nasa gov \( arthur \) subject bally 's holiday health club lifetime organization csc nasa langley research center lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host godzilla larc nasa gov article access digex net , jb access digex com \( jb \) writes article w0 uucp uucp \( forrest \) writes sale life time membership holiday fitness club original fee paid 1 , 000 , 'll sell 600 membership fully via proper paperwork include \? good \? annual fee \? since life time membership , wo n't worry next life arthur csc nasa langley aerospace engineer ms , hampton , va j j arthur larc nasa gov \( 804 \) 865
nabil cae wisc edu \( nabil ayoub \) subject monophysites mike walker organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 127 hello src readers , misconception copts among oriental orthodox churches believe monophysitism pops discussion ago article may 6 00 34 58 1993 geneva rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes proper term mike expresses monophysitism heresy condemned council chalcedon 451 ad grew reaction nestorianism , held son jesus two different people happened united body temporarily monophysitism held copts egypt syria armenian orthodox ofm comments issues get mighty subtle see people saying different things 's often hard tell whether really mean seriously different things , whether using different terminology n't think 's question problem nestorius , would agree saying christ human form without real human nature heretical 'd like bit wary copts , armenians , etc recent discussions suggest monophysite position may far orthodoxy many thought appreciation moderator , believe needed excerpt article featured first issue copt net newsletter authority eastern roman empire constantinople \( opposed western empire rome \) , popes alexandria played leading roles christian theology invited everywhere speak christian faith st cyril , pope alexandria , head ecumenical council held ephesus year 430 said bishops church alexandria nothing spend time meetings leading role , however , fare well politics started church affairs started emperor interfered matters faith church response st , pope alexandria later exiled , interference clear nothing church political motives became even apparent chalcedon 451 , coptic church unfairly accused following teachings , believed monophysitism doctrine maintains lord jesus christ one nature , divine , two natures , human well divine coptic church never believed monophysitism way portrayed council chalcedon ! council , monophysitism meant believing one nature copts believe lord perfect divinity , perfect humanity , divinity humanity united one nature called nature incarnate word , reiterated st cyril alexandria copts , thus , believe two natures human divine united one without , without confusion , without alteration \( declaration faith end coptic divine liturgy \) two natures separate moment eye \( also declaration faith end coptic divine liturgy \) coptic church misunderstood 5th century council chalcedon perhaps council understood church correctly , wanted exile church , isolate abolish egyptian , independent pope despite , coptic church remained strict steadfast faith whether conspiracy western churches exile coptic church punishment refusal politically influenced , whether pope n't quite go extra mile make point copts monophysite , coptic church always felt mandate reconcile semantic differences christian churches aptly expressed current successor st mark , pope iii coptic church , faith important anything , others must know semantics terminology little importance us throughout century , coptic church played important role ecumenical movement coptic church one founders world council churches remained member council since 1948 coptic church member african council churches \( \) middle east council churches \( \) church plays important role christian movement conducting aiming resolving theological differences catholic , greek orthodox , presbyterian , evangelical churches final note , oriental orthodox eastren orthodox sign common statement christology , monophysitism condemned coptic orthodox church believe monophysitism peace , nabil nabil ayoub engine research center dept mechanical engineering university wisconsin madison email ayoub wisc edu ' ' mentioned brief apology , comment quoted confused appear say nestorius monophysite andrew byler correctly stated , nestorians monophysites actually opposite parties point making , nabil explains detail , groups considered heretical probably n't chalcedon compromise two groups , alexandrians adopted language intended acceptable moderates camps , ruling extremes agree extremes heretical however course complex politics time , appears people got rejected n't intend heresy , simply used language understood even seem jointed compromise reasons doctrine groups descended supposedly heretical camps posting discussed descendants alexandrians also remaining nestorians like current called monophysites , reason believe current called nestorians heretical either sheltered nestorius saw unfair treatment , claim adopt heresies , fact seem follow moderate representatives tradition clh
jaracz oz plymouth edu \( david r jaracz \) subject octopus detroit \? organization plymouth state college plymouth , nh lines 16 article 93106 cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet writes watching detroit minnesota game last night thought saw octopus ice ysebaert scored tie game two gives \? ! ! ! 's squid ! keep tradition alive ! \( kinda like fish unh games \) \( custom throw octopuses ice detroit \? \) responsible ! ! harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuny edu acc qc edu
acs bu edu \( kenneth engel \) subject atheists hell organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 18 imagine worst depth despair 've ever encountered , worst physical pain 've ever experienced people suffer emotional , physical , mental anguish lives deaths seem merciful least pain end death lived hundred lives , conclusion one instantly reborn another \? lived million , billion years state \? kept going forever \? happen jesus \? n't think , heard lived one day suffering died wages sin paragraph , jesus pay sins , \? 'd surprised see moderator let one , seriously want reasonable explanation ken
swartzjh rosevc rose hulman edu subject espn tonight organization rose hulman institute technology lines 7 reply swartzjh rosevc rose hulman edu nntp posting host hydra rose hulman edu anyone heard game espn showing tonight said show whatever game means playoff wise would assume would blues tampa game minnesota red wings game anyone heard sure \? \? \? jeff swartz
pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu \( pete yadlowsky \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization university virginia lines 16 bill writes anyway , 've often wondered business followers christ would weapons fyi , people followers christ david koresh messiah ok , n't jesus figure somewhere beliefs \? anyway , original question regarding christians weaponry still stands peter yadlowsky wake ! sky light ! academic computing center let us net university virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu basho
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject israeli expansion lust organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 46 article 1993apr15 news columbia edu ayr1 cunixa cc columbia edu \( amir rosenblatt \) writes article spam maths adelaide edu au jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes article 1993apr13 das harvard edu adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes depends entirely define actual fighting largely predates arab invasions deir yassin happened well arab invasion define war \? constant attacks count acts war , jews \? would hope intend reasonable discussion might wait express opinion deciding flamed sure would define look attacks villages way deciding started would count riots 20 's 30 's \? violence war personally think , opposed civil disturbance whatever , requires organisation , planning measure semi regular forces perhaps arab liberation army counts could easily convinced know great deal planning let alone organisation haganah palmach certainly cause criticism , merely reflects great organisation generally camp course , n't war , since 's arabs attacking silly n't \? case war start invasion arab armies see agree something previous posters wrong , \? like last week fatah launched katyusha rockets northern israel uprising end war begin \? sure , doubt want opinion anyway , think war requires organisation said needs group command plan fatah rockets southern lebanon \( sure right group moslems \? \) sounds like war stone throwing joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
jdnicoll prism ccs uwo ca \( james davis nicoll \) subject new planet kuiper object found \? organization university western ontario , london distribution sci nntp posting host prism uwo ca lines 20 article steinly topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes article gap caltech edu jafoust cco caltech edu \( jeff foust \) writes recent article jdnicoll prism ccs uwo ca \( james davis nicoll \) writes new kuiper belt object called 'karla' , next one called 'smiley' unless i'm imaging things , \( always possibility \) 1992 qb1 , kuiper belt object discovered last year , known smiley happens second one karla first one smiley subject iau course , think might let one slide gee , feel ignorant research , post james nicoll
mcmath csb1 nlm nih gov \( chuck chuck bo buck mcmath \) subject giants' gm quinn genius ! organization ross perot ear admiration society lines 37 article apple apple com , chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) wrote mcmath csb1 nlm nih gov \( chuck chuck bo buck mcmath \) writes giants protected mike benjamin \( career average 160 \) pitcher pat , surprised looks bay area benjamin 's stats 333 364 571 , 42 ab , 14 h , 4 doubles , 2 's even sent aaa 's even better , eh \? course , protected list done old regime , new , rosen 's baby , quinn 's 'll tell let 's look end season , , say three years , see genius one braindead decisions , imho even benjamin improve markedly past \( hitting better \) 's never going utility backup might turn top flight arm another year think next time post something like , obviously need make sarcasm bit obvious chuck chuck mcmath mcmath csb1 nlm nih gov msd , inc national library medicine national institutes health bethesda , md noose good noose hey batter , hey batter , hey batter , swing anon opinion influenced cosmic radiation
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject finland sweden vs nhl teams \( helsinki stockholm nh organization university toronto chemistry department lines 23 article 1993apr17 abo fi mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) writes failure , think , makela \( ari \) career islanders players play minors course like players , n't think names mention could cut stars nhl ! even prime good regular new york edmonton superstar right , although blamed lack effort behalf competent choice play bear hockey playing ability crucial oilers stanley cup victory 1990 , one without gretzky , made oiler power play lethargic year arrived slide overdrive oilers missed following year kurri , think oilers would make finals stayed around following season , would beaten pittsburgh healthy messier delayed pittsburgh 's dynasty season gerald
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject animation xputimage \( \) \? organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 37 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de article 1993apr21 154620 16330 infodev cam ac uk , dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) writes two years ago wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview becoming rapidly obselete , 've finally decided rewrite everything scratch xview put together quick test , 've found xputimage \( \) considerably slower \( factor 2 average \? \) sunview command pw rop \( \) moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc ipx seems \( 1 \) x protocol communication slowing things \( 2 \) xputimage inefficient ! question , protocol move whole image process memory server memory , hog conversions xputimage \( \) fast fastest way x11r5 dump 8 plane image data window \? take advantage fact client running machine server \? stuck yes , utilizing mit shm extension , provides xputimage uses shared memory fine fast xputimage \( \) \( case might well give \) \? still xputimage frames onto pixmaps \( thus moving server memory \) replay fastest using xcopyarea \( \) aware , major server memory bummer ! brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
keller hubble ifa hawaii edu \( tim keller \) subject fj1100 review organization institute astronomy , hawaii lines 44 thinking , might also want think installed set bosch air horns ordered dennis kirk \( pg 282 latest catalog \) '85 fj1100 rated 7 meters installed using 10 gage wire battery relay compressor ground stock horn connectors fit relay pins fine soldered connections relay compressor , used crimp type battery connector inline fuse connector installed compressor forward fuse box front fairing tie wrapping steering head frame black steel tube frame used support front fairing remove front fairing , fits outside frame inside fairing two vertical supports front fuses depending tight fairing follows frame , able fit somewhere fairing compressor 2 diameter 5 long relay mounted front steering head frame \( small plenty good places found perfect place horns required tie wraps mount horns fit inside front fairing frame stick either side front air , behind turn signals back horns point back towards center bike come real close gas tank connects front part frame enough room outside allow full lock lock clearance , nice cut outs frame back horn go short horn even fairing , long one sticks inch , really noticable unless look closely end pointing slightly maybe 30 degrees straight ahead \( perfect cagers trying change lanes \) questions mounting , email , try explain better bike red , may want paint first work ask \? , , loud sound like european sports car truck , vast improvement stock used least daily since installing , 10 amp fuse blown yet \( although , duration horn blasts short \) 've repeatedly scared shit friends , even though know horns , still jump perfect keeping sidewalk bottom line work , loud enough cause pain suffering stupid lane changing cages \( well take years lives \) relatively easy install fj ymmv '85 fj1100 get way horns looks like suit 'd fight fire comment aerostich
foxfire access digex com \( foxfire \) subject car amp forsale organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 45 nntp posting host access digex net car audio system items sony xr 7070 head unit \( radio \) 20 w x 4 max dolby b controls sony cd disc track select track disc scan repeat shuffle play features auto reverse logic controls 6am presets strong station memory preset scan tuner monitor seek manual tuning mono stereo local dx switches metal tape compatible orig 299 sony cdx a15 10 disc cd changer 4x oversampling , dual converters single clock design features one beam laser spring silicon charged suspension system horizontal vertical mounting 13 pin din connector 10 disc magazine connecting cable 5 20 , 000 hz 0 05 thd orig 399 asking 450 radio \( cd controller \) cd changer problems either unit reasonably good condition \( radio cd sold together \) two \( 2 \) amp 360 3 channels x 2 x 1 4 ohms 20 20 , 000 hz 0 09 thd 1 channel x 1 4 ohms 20 20 , 000 hz 0 2 thd 2 channels x 2 4 ohms 20 20 , 000 hz 0 09 thd 2 ohm stable features pwm switching power supply w protection circuits orig 249 asking 150 units good working condition currently used supply power subs \( demonstrate power ratings ! ! \) interested items , questions drop e mail foxfire access digex com
delman upenn edu \( delman lee \) subject tandberg 3600 future domain tmc seagate st problem \? \? distribution comp organization university pennsylvania , usa lines 37 nntp posting host upenn edu trying get system work tandberg 3600 future domain tmc seagate st mfm controller system boots tandberg disconnected system , course scsi devices found \( scsi devices \) system boots seagate mfm controller removed system future domain card reports finding tandberg 3660 scsi bus system course stops booting mfm hard disks ca n't found system hangs three \( tandberg , future domain tmc seagate mfm controller \) system looks like conflict seagate future domain card funny thing hangs tandberg connected checked conflict bios addresses , irq port missed anything \? lost suggestions welcomed thanks advance delman delman lee tel 1 215 medical image processing group , fax 1 215 898 university pennsylvania , 4 f blockley hall , 418 service drive , philadelphia , pa , u internet delman upenn edu
bbs comarow jwt oau org \( bob comarow \) subject jewish baseball players \? reply bbs comarow jwt oau org organization matrix lines 4 dave kingman jewish bob comarow org
nas nasa gov \( al \) subject space colony size preferences summary organization applied research office , nasa ames research center reply nas nasa gov distribution sci space lines 92 time ago sent following message every design orbital space colony i'm gearing another one 'd info move onto space colony live permanently , big would colony view permanent move desirable \? specifically , many people want share colony \? physical dimensions living need \? assume 1g living \( colony rotate \) assume leave time time business trips 're young enough , assume 'll raise children n't get lot responses , block thanx responded , good food thought 's \( edited \) responses got many people want share colony \? 100 physical dimensions living need \? cylinder diameter x 1 km long rui sousa saber si pt many people want share colony \? 100 , 000 250 , 000 physical dimensions living need \? 100 square surface , divided city , towns , villages countryside must lakes , rivers amd mountains many 1000 1000 people really n't large number everyone know everyone else within space year , probably sick everyone else within another year physical dimensions living need \? hm great figuring would maximize percentage colony space accessible humans children , since figure go everywhere anyways everyone , especially , likes go exploring would want able go walk see something different time population , think would want substantial town big enough strangers helps get away small town everybody knows everything syndrome , people like n't call several thousand people physical dimensions , somewhat similar criterion big enough contain surprises , least spent considerable time getting know specific rule thumb , big enough places least hour away foot call , means circumference 're talking sphere henry spencer u toronto zoology henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry desires , permanent move space colony , assuming easy communication travel size small town size , say 9 sq km 'course , bigger better \) population 100 sq km less , 1000 less better elbow room , interest sanity , say max 3000 , min 300 tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 \( work \) inhale chief ! 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 \( hm \) zonker harris 1996 !
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject national sales tax , movie organization university toronto chemistry department lines 27 article geb news iastate edu iastate edu \( aaron \) writes vat done way state local sales taxes done , nothing sticker ringing purchase \( gum , gas , car , etc \) hit button add another 5 top state local sales taxes \( wo n't include vat previous levels sales \) need include vat previous levels vat difference tax vat x , amount tax government receives levels x purchase price end consumer levels , difference vat paid vat received government 's question , instead true vat , federal government imposed sales tax say 2 3 \? tax would paid retail sales \( thus building levels production costs passed consumers anyway \) , would go reducing deficit \( know would never happen , seems lot vat \) vat infinitely preferable retail sails tax gerald
quads uchicago edu \( 's enrico ! \) subject gamma ray bursters \? reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 36 graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu ca things detected space , anyone looked possible problems detectors \? , mechanism \( cosmic rays , whatever \) could cause think seeing one things \? graydon would explain widely separated detectors , ulysses pvo et al , would see burst time \( \) fact , fore batse , widely separated interplanetary network sure way locate random burst one detector , one cannot locate burst \( except say 's somewhere field view \) two detectors , one use time burst seen detector narrow location thin sky three detectors , one gets intersecting , giving two possible locations one locations impossible \( , say , earth blocked part sky \) , voila , error box batse , 8 detectors , location determination , within 3 degrees \( would someone gsfc , like david , like comment current state location determination \? \) sightings detectors helps drive uncertainty touch something n't mean , though believe \( reference somewhere \) absorption like features seen fraction grbs actually caused detector would mean , nasty god , though , would nai crystal act like 10 12 gauss neutron star getting far peter oddjob uchicago edu
subject tapped , code good rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) rubin dsg4 dse beckman com 1993apr20 magnus acs ohio state edu distribution na organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 15 1993apr20 magnus acs ohio state edu jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( james r ebright \) writes article rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) writes would n't trust nsa think would trust president , i'm certain would told crook president richard nixon president \( could easily wrong \) arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
\( iisi owner \) subject iisi clock upgrades organization lines 4 new reports iisi clock upgrade 25 mhz , 33 mhz \? failures \? iisi owner slow mac soldering iron
rei tsl cl nec co jp \( rei \) subject xavier \( av extension interviews \) article tsl 1993apr27 organization c c systems research labs , nec corporation , kawasaki , japan lines 58 nntp posting host hyperion tsl cl nec co jp dear folks 's pleasure able announce release new freeware program , xavier , audio video extension interviews xavier \( extension av class interviews \) c class library adds multimedia capability interviews allows composite multimedia objects built media objects specifically , adds audio video objects classes available interviews 3 0 1 3 1 , without changing source code original classes \( though several configuration files interviews need changed via patch file \) currently , xavier audio classes supported sun workstations audio interface , xavier tested following environments sun machine sparcstation ipc os sun 1 1 later c sun c 1 nec \( \) machine 210 , 230 os ux v \( 0 \) 1 , 2 c c 1 obtained via anonymous ftp interviews stanford edu pub contrib \( xavier large demo tar , xavier tar \) preparing mailing list information regarding xavier interested , please contact xavier tsl cl nec co jp add e mail address list reference rei , , jun audio video extension graphical interface toolkits , third international workshop network operating system support digital audio video , san diego , 1992 rei \( e mail rei tsl cl nec co jp \) c c systems research laboratories nec corporation 1 1 , 4 chome , tel 81 44 856 ku , kawasaki , fax 81 44 856 2232 216 japan
rob earhart earhart cmu edu subject q avoid xopendisplay hang \? organization sophomore , physics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 4 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply skates gsfc nasa gov n't know avoid xopendisplay hang perhaps could use something else \( zephyr , perhaps \) \? \) rob
distribution world david schnider bmug org organization bmug , inc subject monitor lciii lines 21 jeff , answers questions first , recommend sony cpd 1320 monitor 14 trinitron vga monitor , designed specifically use lc works macs specific video capabilities means lc 's anything ci takes mac vga cable \( recommend one james engineering 20 \) cost 335 compared much higher prices comparable monitors used one half year love second , used found decent backorder supra modem cancelled helpful explaining reasons delays supra 's number ready complaint always return calls told cpd 1320 selling 339 j r 's \( 800 \) 221 think little , n't know david planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
subject diffs sci space sci astro frequently asked questions leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) expires 6 may 1993 19 50 16 gmt organization university north carolina , chapel hill supersedes diffs cs unc edu nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu lines 294 archive name space diff diffs since last faq posting \( posting order \) \( hand edited context diffs attempt use patch old copies faq \) diff c r1 18 faq intro tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 22 1993 faq intro thu apr 1 14 46 55 1993 101 , 107 nasa langley \( technical reports \) nasa spacelink national space science data center space planetary image facility space telescope science institute electronic info service starcat astronomical databases 101 , 106 130 , 135 129 , 135 llnl great exploration lunar prospector lunar science activities orbiting earth satellite histories spacecraft models rocket propulsion spacecraft design diff c r1 18 faq net tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 24 1993 faq net thu apr 1 14 46 57 1993 58 , 63 58 , 67 elements sent list dr kelso , jsc , sources released email elements request telesoft com join gps digest moderated list discussion global positioning system satellite navigation positioning systems email gps request esseye si com join space investors list information relevant investing space related companies email vincent \( vac cs cmu edu \) join 223 , 227 227 , 241 1030 fact learn unauthorized access , contact nasa personnel claims made news group fraud waste none ever substantiated significant degree readers detecting fraud , waste , abuse , contact nasa inspector general \( 24 hours \) 800 424 9183 \( anonymous \) write nasa inspector general p box plaza station washington dc next faq 3 15 online \( offline \) sources images , data , etc diff c r1 18 faq data tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 26 1993 faq data thu apr 1 14 46 54 1993 216 , 237 telephone \( 301 \) 286 6695 email address request nssdca gsfc nasa gov space planetary image facility available 24 hours day via anonymous ftp pioneer unm edu approximately 150 cd rom 's full imagery , raw , data start , get file pioneer unm edu pub info beginner info hopefully give information need get data machine beginner info translated languages , look inside pub info particular language meets needs contact help pioneer unm edu space telescope science institute electronic information service 216 , 221 diff c r1 18 faq math tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 28 1993 faq math thu apr 1 14 46 56 1993 60 , 65 60 , 71 gives series compute positions accurate 1 arc minute period 300 years pluto included stated accuracy 15 arc minutes interactive computer almanac \( mica \) , produced us naval observatory valid years 1990 1999 55 \( 80 outside us \) available ibm \( order \) macintosh \( order \) ntis sales desk , \( 703 \) 487 believe intended replace 's interactive computer ephemeris interactive computer ephemeris \( us naval observatory \) distributed ibm pc floppy disks , 35 \( willmann bell \) covers dates diff c r1 18 faq references tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 30 1993 faq references thu apr 1 14 46 59 1993 93 , 100 us naval observatory 202 653 \( bulletin board via modem \) 202 653 general 202 653 1545 almanac office \( info interactive computer ephemeris \) willmann bell p box 93 , 98 138 , 151 sdi 's ssrt \( single stage rocket technology \) project funded suborbital technology demonstrator called dc x fly mid 1993 development towards operational single stage ! orbit vehicle uncertain present considerably detail ! ssrt program , get document ! ames arc nasa gov pub space faq ! anonymous ftp email server name star person official names decided committees international 136 , 151 sdi 's ssrt \( single stage rocket technology \) project funded suborbital technology demonstrator called dc x fly mid 1993 development towards operational single stage ! orbit vehicle \( called delta clipper \) uncertain present ! collection pictures files relating dc x available ! anonymous ftp email server directory ! bongo cc utexas edu pub delta clipper chris w johnson \( chrisj emx cc utexas edu \) maintains archive name star person official names decided committees international 223 , 228 223 , 236 university press , 1970 information lunar orbiter missions , including maps coverage lunar farside various orbiters orbiting earth satellite histories list earth orbiting satellites \( still orbit \) available anonymous ftp ames arc nasa gov pub space faq satellites spacecraft models diff c r1 18 faq addresses tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 34 1993 faq addresses thu apr 1 14 46 51 1993 75 , 80 75 , 85 latter , sf 171 useless employees caltech employees , contractors , part similar responsibilities offer alternative funding nasa centers fact sheet description jpl available anonymous ftp ames arc nasa gov pub space faq nasa johnson manned space center \( jsc \) houston , tx 77058 diff c r1 18 faq new probes tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 38 1993 faq new probes thu apr 1 14 46 58 1993 8 , 13 8 , 19 team , isas nasda launch schedules , press kits \( astro \) isas \( japan \) x ray astronomy satellite , launched earth orbit 2 20 93 equipped large area wide wavelength \( 1 20 \) x ray telescope , x ray ccd cameras , imaging gas proportional counters cassini saturn orbiter titan atmosphere probe cassini joint nasa esa project designed accomplish exploration saturnian system cassini saturn orbiter huygens titan probe cassini 98 , 115 magellan venus radar mapping mission mapped almost entire ! surface high resolution currently \( 11 92 \) mapping cycle 4 , ! collecting global gravity map mars observer mars orbiter including 1 5 pixel resolution camera ! launched 9 24 92 titan iii tos booster mo currently \( 3 93 \) transit mars , arriving 8 24 93 operations start 11 93 one martian year \( 687 days \) ! topex poseidon joint us french earth observing satellite , launched ! august 1992 ariane 4 booster primary objective topex poseidon project make precise accurate global observations sea level several years , substantially increasing understanding global ocean dynamics satellite also 104 , 121 magellan venus radar mapping mission mapped almost entire ! surface high resolution currently \( 4 93 \) collecting global gravity ! map mars observer mars orbiter including 1 5 pixel resolution camera ! launched 9 25 92 titan iii tos booster mo currently \( 4 93 \) transit mars , arriving 8 24 93 operations start 11 93 one martian year \( 687 days \) ! topex poseidon joint us french earth observing satellite , launched ! 8 10 92 ariane 4 booster primary objective topex poseidon project make precise accurate global observations sea level several years , substantially increasing understanding global ocean dynamics satellite also diff c r1 18 faq astronaut tmp , thu apr 1 14 47 43 1993 faq astronaut thu apr 1 14 46 52 1993 162 , 174 specific standards distant visual ! 20 100 better , correctable 20 20 , eye blood pressure 140 90 measured sitting position ! 3 height 60 76 inches pilot astronaut candidate 162 , 174 specific standards distant visual ! 20 150 better , correctable 20 20 , eye blood pressure 140 90 measured sitting position ! 3 height 58 5 76 inches pilot astronaut candidate
jiml ftcollinsco ncr com \( jim l \) subject need sharp , parts , information distribution world organization ncr microelectronics products division \( company \) lines 23 i'm looking sharp ti 2000 parts mine bad ram chip motherboard want see get parts sending sharp repairs one , drop line also , i'm trying set one friend needs read old 5 1 4 inch diskettes anyone pinout diskette expansion connector back 3 5 inch floppy box \? respond , please include phone number ca n't always get email always , thanks , jim lewczyk mailer address buggy ! reply jiml ftcollinsco ncr com james lewczyk 1 303 223 5100 ncr mpd fort collins , co jim lewczyk ftcollinsco ncr com
subject nhlpa poll \( partial stats results \) caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 10 article andrew cmu edu young soo che andrew cmu edu writes people send polls take closer look njd , deep team , two capable goalies , excellent forwards defensemen shooter richer , around todd , chef stasny master thousand dishes , power play kevin todd oiler one months closely follow devils , anyway \? jeez alan
matt ksu ksu edu \( jr phillip \) subject accepting jeesus heart organization kansas state university lines 168 disclaimer throughout post , statements questions could easily interpreted sarcastic written reply even handed manner , emotions boiling surface written please accept serious attempt foster dialog rest make every attempt make fun one , except \) gsu0033 uxa ecn bgu edu \( eric molas \) writes firstly , atheist posting immature flame start , rather express opinion intended audience 1 \) human animal , due advanced mental facilities , developed religious solution explain unexplainable hmmm animals planet advanced mental facilities developed religion satisfactory explaination unexplained \? , appears humans need explain unexplained \? animals planet , including advanced mental facilities , seem perfectly content ignorance 'd like point scream unsupported statement 1 \) humans animal 2 \) religion exists crutch unexplained need researched 3 \) religion made humans address perceived need 4 \) biological aspect humans \( , aspects human life categorized hierarchical structure biology apex \) needless say , disagree strong opinion 1 underlying christianity infectious cult reasons flourishes 1 \) gives people without hope driven purpose life safety blanked hide behind oh wow follow christian moral standard get eternal happiness found jeezus , many brink \? disagree christianity infectious cult certainly shown persistent belief system , spite various persecutions throughout past two millenia continues persevere demonstrate infectious sense may provides workable system adherents \( would argue case \) disagree christianity safety blanket hope purpose rather , points individual one source hope purpose nothing hidden christian 's source hope purpose usefulness distinction internally motivated hope purpose externally given hope purpose \? \( apparent \) loss control one 's life problem something else \? finally , one appropriate eternal happiness following christian moral standards indeed , sole reason existance christianity standards inadequate save people imperfections moral standards merely guides christian real power moral living given christian person god 's spirit heaven one two final states christian doctrine postulates however , christians generally motivated live according christian moral standards promised future reward rather , motivated perceived benefits digress reason christianity flourishes infectious nature best friend mine entered christian group within months , set ministry guidelines basicaly said priority 1 spread word many christian organizations concerned evangelism priority , rightly \( jesus gave priority followers \) however , priority evangelism normally understood \( e preach word , convert nearly cost , repeat new convert ad infinitum \) rather , evangelism generally best done respecting opinions others demonstrating real benefits christian lifestyle demonstration powerful non christian seek christian ask \? needless say , demonstration easily \( takes radical committment person jesus \) , happen quickly \( part christian required \) , cannot occur personal bonds friendship exist \( ineffective strangers cannot evaluate demonstration time , easy harm others sole purpose friend gain conversion \) long time christian \( nearly 20 years \) , view evangelism programs incorporate hurry attitude pressured conversions may ultimately worse conversion \( pressured convert realizes coerced christianity would open future taken advantage \) bible states spirit god brings conviction wrong people content part \( witness \) let spirit rest animals need sleep , food , reproduce die far animals sleep , eat , reproduce , die animals true , also capable personal vision humanity \( \) limited , hope pray \) someday find view \( reflection , animals wide variety performing arts humans \? humans learn language humans \( animals \) animals cannot \? humans organize various social structures whereas animals one structure \? \) religion \( especially christianity \) nothing drug blatant assertion christianity physically addictive christianity psychologically addictive christianity thing one shoots relationship living might validly characterize close relationship people use drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high jesus freaks let emotional aspects worship christian living gain \( retain \) upper hand even , invalidate foundation things flow many millions lives lost religious wars , christianity small part guilty association \? christianity forces upon another christianity christians see non believer , say person blind truth , cannot realize live mask day jesus prophet happened large influence time romans \( circa \) jewish population communities needed sort element keep strong time dire need appear amazing certainty really happened 2000 years ago come \? cannot accept conclusion jesus' influence sole result roman sack jerusalem 30 years gone time strains bounds assert nothing jesus' life noteworthy sack must go thoughts christianity christianity relationship jesus christ know \? read world wrong phil say us eece ksu edu , stray birds matt ksu ksu edu
bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject 'center policy research' organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 20 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu read numerous posts period several months , anti israel fanatic , hiding shadow respectable sounding name 'center policy research ' obviously , research center kind , unless published documents find material use israel makes labeling propaganda mill research center surprising simply part propaganda process curious anyone knew anti israel fanatic hiding behind 'research center' name arab \? typical anti semite hiding behind zionism \? ' jew perhaps lived israel could n't make , taking failure israel \? let 's shed light clown help put nonsense proper perspective readers group interested fact anti israel ignore junk
qpliu ernie princeton edu \( q p liu \) subject visit jehovah 's witnesses originator news nimaster nntp posting host ernie princeton edu reply qpliu princeton edu organization princeton university lines 34 article 1993apr5 823 batman bmd trw com jbrown batman bmd trw com writes article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de , i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes could give definition free \? especially presence omniscient \? self determination words , god created conscious beings ability choose moral choices independently god , therefore , free hypothetical conscious beings ignore influences circumstances \( genetics , environment , experiences \) self determined \? \( course , idea hell makes idea free dubious hand , idea hell powerful idea parable main character blah blah blah one day , thug pointed mean looking gun omc , said , 'do say , i'm blasting hell ' omc thought , 'if believe thug , follow instructions given , 'll avoid getting blasted hell hand , believe thug , follow instructions given , 'll get blasted hell hmm attractive choice obvious , 'll follow instructions ' , omc found choice obvious everything omc learned getting blasted hell made appear undesirable omc noticed thug 's gun n't real gun thug 's threats make believe omc ignored thug resumed blah blah blah \) qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinions delta correlated
amit uchicago edu \( amit \) subject problems open windows organization dept statistics lines 22 openwindows \( version 3 sunos 4 1 \) xwindows running continuously machine 3 4 days , following message appears trying open new window , run program needs open windows xview error cannot open connection window server 0 0 \( server package \) would greatly appreciate suggestions solve problem amit department statistics university chicago chicago il
klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) subject mod zx 11 \? \( zx 11 4 cylinder running hot , \) nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 44 1993apr1 exu ericsson se noah ericsson se \( \) writes article 1993apr1 research nj nec com behanna phoenix syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes power \? hmmmmmm , well n't got dyno \( waiting snow melt \) although factory jet kit 4' advance , \( jets 145s , stock 140 , book says 130 calif 150 uk , strange \? \) , n't want fit unless dyno handy 've heard bikes tuned perfection dyno little close edge street use cold morning , bad gas , etc apparently back even track use pays money jorg klinger gsxr1100 new arch eng services lost horizons cr500 think umanitoba , man ca embalmer it175 anonymous lmc ericsson se ericsson , cellular design montreal , canada
gnome pd org \( mike \) subject cats dogs \? \? \? ! organization laughing gnome software farm , atlanta , ga , usa lines 13 nntp posting host noel pd org x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 james bessette \( cbnewsj cb att com \) wrote article hplsla hp com kens hplsla hp com \( ken snyder \) writes ps also heard dog breeder chains bicycles motorcycles produced high frequency dogs loved chase ask breeder also chase bmws also cam chain mike mike gnome pd org ! emory ! pd org ! gnome ama dod 522 irony spice life '90 bianchi '82 suzuki revolution televised
anna matyas am2x andrew cmu edu subject abc coverage organization h ss dean 's office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 25 distribution usa 1993apr20 alchemy chem utoronto ca nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr20 alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes clement , although pleasant personality \( pleasant opinion \) , terrible analyst , almost alway wrong example new jersey 's first goal last sunday grew dick irvin color beside danny gallivan knew irvin , dick irvin friend mine bill clement n't dick irvin long teams involved include us national team new york rangers , 'd take john davidson bill clement day personality means something exactly like clement \( emrick \) hand , jd pompous , bull headed , arrogant know 's real turn \( exactly 's \) one complaint clement sometimes talks much wanted 'd listen tim baseball game mom
msc edu \( edward \) subject seen lobby , us organization minnesota supercomputer center , minneapolis , mn lines 18 agree notifying elected officials feelings \( , matter \) issue way go way , phone list posted day washington c , elected officials also maintain local office area code elected officials , use local office 's exclusively , fax modem windows print capture software tool choice see words stated , rather summary would called voice left comment office staff edward \( msc edu \) minnesota supercomputer center , inc operations user services 1200 washington avenue south \( 612 \) 626 1888 work minneapolis , minnesota \( 612 \) 645 voice mail disclaimer opinions
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun like american express card organization computer science department , stanford university distribution usa lines 22 article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes points well taken things n't considered really familiar enough handguns 's kratz n't know hell , glock last thing switched thing know glock lack real safety sure little thing trigger n't great safety know kratz n't understand safety supposed \( also confuses things see things exist glocks multiple safeties even though one visible outside \) safety supposed keep gun going unless 's user wants glocks , one says want gun go pulling trigger safeties make work , real safety , matter kratz thinks andy
alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) subject sunview x originator alex nntp posting host organization vanderbilt university school engineering , nashville , tn , usa distribution usa lines 16 doubt old question , n't find answer faqs could find , goes sunview application want convert x \( openlook , , whatever \) remember hearing quite time ago tools accomplish task \) \? b \) public domain \? c \) good , e \) advantages interface \? thanks , alex
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject ancient islamic rituals organization monash university , melb , australia lines 21 i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article 1993apr3 081052 11292 monu6 cc monash edu au darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes discussion pros cons sex outside marriage personally think part value lasting men women helps provide stable secure environment children grow \( deletion \) addition chris faehl 's post , homosexuals \? well , islamic viewpoint , homosexuality norm society cannot really say much islamic viewpoint homosexuality something done much research fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
sepinwal mail sas upenn edu \( alan sepinwall \) subject melido due back \? distribution na organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 16 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu melido came dl today start tonight rangers \( , go distance bullpen n't come \) i'm outta like vladimir ! alan sepinwall 's \? ice happens water gets cold \? kent happens people get sexually frustrated val kilmer , real genius
cs ucsd edu \( tony \) subject fahrenheit 1280 problems , help ! organization cse dept , u c san diego lines 37 nntp posting host tartarus ucsd edu hi , recently bought orchid fahrenheit 1280 's real nice card , i'm big problems basic problem vertical lines missing display windows something like every line also , use dos gif viewer , namely vpic 6 0c , fahrenheit 1280 mode , vertical lines swapped 's strange looking uses vesa standards , however , works great ! thinks 's 512k card \( 's 1mb \) contacted orchid support , tried helpful , n't answer n't think card problem , since works great friend 's computer setup fahrenheit 1280 , 1mb , bios 1 1 386 25 , opti , ami bios 1990 , 5mb ram maxtor 120mb harddrive , \( slave \) maxtor 40mb harddrive \( master \) panasonic monitor , version 4 6 windows drivers windows 3 1 tried taking memory managers , etc , took cards \( besides disk controller \) friend 's setup 386sx 16 , monitor anyone seen anything like , otherwise help , greatful please send e mail tartarus ucsd edu ucsd edu tony
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject space food sticks article aio 1993apr6 organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office lines 17 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 john \( cso uiuc edu \) wrote anyone ever heard food product called space food sticks \? remember awful things dry , recall asking third grade teacher , miss , kept floating around zero g clue seen anything like today 's space program apollo technology best forgotten ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 men planet earth first set foot upon moon july 1969 , came peace mankind
pan panda stanford edu \( doug pan \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? reply mossman cea berkeley edu 's message 15 apr 1993 19 41 40 gmt organization interviews group , stanford university 1993apr13 news cs brandeis edu 1993apr14 zeus calpoly edu 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com 5k6 agate berkeley edu lines 26 article 5k6 agate berkeley edu mossman cea berkeley edu \( amy mossman \) writes similar reaction chinese food came completly different conclusion 've eaten chinese food ages never problems went chinese friends rest ordered lots stuff never seen thing remember meal first course , scallops served shell type sauce thought , well , 've scallops sick could coincidence night sat bathroom floor , sweating stomach hard way , decided would never touch another may allergic n't want take chance n't react scallops , clam juice served \( american \) bars n't know whether juice homemade cans following first encounter chinese restaurant syndrome ten years ago , hour ton soup collapsed chair face feeling puffed , scalp tingling , feet weak stand symptoms lasted 20 minutes determined find cause first reaction , went back chinese ordered dish thing happened quick look inside kitchen revealed nothing ordinary 've also mild attack soup thai
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization university virginia lines 13 article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes big difference running one 's business affairs , actively ripping people charging homosexuals becuase people think aids gay disease actively ripping people greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
nyx cs du edu \( andrew jacobs \) subject using microsoft foundation classes borland c 3 1 organization university denver , dept math comp sci distribution usa lines 7 thanks info assume mfc 1 0 anyone know work mfc 2 0 , else needs done \? thanks andy jacobs
dozonoff bu edu \( david ozonoff \) subject food related seizures \? lines 24 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 sharon paulson \( paulson tab00 larc nasa gov \) wrote waiting thinking would good get large group possible see anyone experience kind thing know members medical community sometimes loathe admit importance diet foods play general health well anyway , guess , worried sick , would appreciate ideas anyone sorry wanted really get across going n't know anything specifically , one anecdote colleague mine child serious congenital disease , sclerosis along mental comes serious seizure disorder parents noticed one thing would precipitate seizure meal corn always wondered connection , dietary ingredients might precipitate seizures experiences would interesting hear netters david ozonoff , md , mph boston university school public health dozonoff med bu edu 80 east concord st , \( 617 \) 638 4620 boston ,
nickh cs cmu edu \( nick haines \) subject level 5 \? reply 18084tm msu edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 21 37 55 gmt originator nickh snow fox cs cmu edu nntp posting host snow fox cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon university distribution sci lines 50 article 1 cs cmu edu 18084tm msu edu \( tom \) writes nick haines sez \( given 've heard shuttle software rated level 5 maturity , strongly doubt lots bugs case \) level 5 \? many \? different levels \? 've never heard rating system anyone care clue \? rating system used arpa organisations measure maturity e entire process software gets designed , written , tested , delivered , supported etc see software , watts humphrey , addison wesley 1989 excellent software engineering text 5 levels software process maturity 1 initial 2 repeatable 3 defined 4 managed 5 optimizing levels approximately characterized follows 1 statistically software process control statistical basis estimating large software , long take produce , expensive , reliable software production level 2 stable process statistical controls , rigorous project management done something , projects planned detail , software configuration management quality assurance 3 process defined understood , implementation consistent includes things like software inspection , rigorous software testing framework , configuration management , typically engineering process within project 4 statistical information software systematically gathered analysed , process controlled basis information software quality measured goals 5 defects prevented , process automated , software contracts effective certified nick haines nickh cmu edu
subject traffic morons stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 28 article 97 uupcb compdyn questor org , ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau dk \( niels mikkel michelsen \) nmm subject act front traffic jerks nmm day , raining cats dogs , therefor going nmm speed limit , nothing , bike guy bmw nmm driving 1 2 meters behind 7 800 meters next red light nmm calmly put bike leg , walked back car , rolled nmm window , told total idiot \( reason \) nmm right thing \? imho , wrong thing could shot could run bike beat shit consider person foolish enough drive like fool may well act like one , get heck away idiot driver something clearly illegal , file citizens arrest drag person court 's hassle major hassle perp john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
sasghm theseus unx sas com \( gary merrill \) subject science methodology \( homeopathy tradition \? \) originator sasghm theseus unx sas com nntp posting host theseus unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 15 article 1993apr15 microsoft com , microsoft com \( tom b carey \) writes ok , grins kekule hypothesized resonant structure benzene ring waking dream snake swallowing tail archimedes principle meditating bath well , certainly archimedes case description observing phenomena bath seems accurate meditating bath , , rather intense environment gary h merrill principal systems developer , c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary , nc 27513 \( 919 \) 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com ! mcnc ! sas ! sasghm
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 50 article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) writes article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes suppose fbi also prevented coming hands national tv cameras watch watch \? two miles away \? far enough away whatever really happenned must explained vengeful filter humiliated agency said \( quote ! \) enough enough please tell think would happened people come hands several weeks ago scenario simplest plausible generally believe conspiracy theories involve complicated unlikely scenarios fbi sent letters martin luther king 's wife insinuating mlk affair ! , please tell us exactly much trust supposedly benevolent government someone would release children compound e , david koresh vernon howell jesus christ saw lengthy excerpts australian documentary made 1992 clearly showed cult pleased batf handling affair think bungled badly start n't think responsible fire , started two different places batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest may intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople willing risk small arms fire get good footage people told get hell camera range \? drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights , outlaws rights spook fodder fema , nsa , clinton , gore , insurrection , nsc , semtex , neptunium , terrorist , cia , mi5 , mi6 , kgb , deuterium
panix com \( robert \) subject electronic parts nyc \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 23 sun panix com panix com \( fritz mueller \) writes moved nyc wondered electronics hackers could point places nyc sell individual electronic components \( switches , pots , transformers , caps , try cables chips let dig cables chips 121 fulton street , 's near south street wall street phone 212 619 800 843 however , ordering , exact 's good chance 'll screw otherwise , 're pretty good , deliver cheers , rob robert voice 212 947 6507 every day adventure , one step beyond email panix com every moment challenge
cgordon vpnet chi il us \( gordon hlavenka \) subject old 256k simms \? organization vpnet public access lines 14 jhaines eniac seas upenn edu \( jason haines \) writes wondering people good uses old 256k simms , inovative use \( want buy simms 8 \) \) , would interested hearing month ago photo posted alt binaries pictures misc 17 5 inch northern pike caught lure made 256k simms gordon hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd !
b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) subject kind loving god ! ! news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 45 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes \( stephen \) wrote sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) quotes ml remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike jews wo n't agree , malcolm jews ks \? religious jews exception messianic ones atheists agnostics , malcolm ks , see 're wanting malcolm 's response allow one last inter please distinguishing among religious jews , 've excepted messianic obvious reasons specifically , saying 's religious jews , trace lineage back abraham blood orthodoxy , rather faith , wo n't agree \? orthodox jews \? \( understand direction \) , issue remains unproven suspect , considering atheists agnostics often look reason atheist , reasonable conclude agree agnostics , poll seems order knows \? , i'm sure atheists counted orthodox , wonder many would follow moses , abraham , david accepting god 's word \? particular covenant one , important god \? reckon many depends ongoing dialogue considerations , might understand think 's premature assert wo n't agree j stephen
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject 2 questions centris 650 's ram reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 10 tesla mitre org \( peter engels \) writes according \( seen several times \) postings dale adams apple computer , 610 650 require 80ns simms 60 ns centris 800 requires 60 ns simms 're correct , except 's quadra 800 centris 800 hades
downs helios nevada edu \( lamont downs \) subject win nt \? \? \? lines 18 nntp posting host cat lv lib nevada edu organization unlv anyone tell chicago windows 4 would differ os 2 2 x \? believe , i'm trying start flame war , i'm simply curious going feature advantage either products \( consider fact uncle bills seal approval much feature \) one difference probably difference os2 windows 3 x one likely lot software available one wo n't \( emulation , inevitable incompatibilities crop spite contrary claims , n't count use certain software package n't quite run properly emulation \) developers want channel resources toward platform large installed base , case like platform successfully marketed \( regardless relative sophistication \) win lamont downs downs nevada edu
lanzo tekelec com \( mark lanzo \) subject find appcontext \? reply lanzo tekelec com \( mark lanzo \) organization tekelec inc , raleigh nc lines 12 prior article masc0442 ucsnews sdsu edu \( todd greene \) said xt call give application context \? fixing x motif program , trying use xtappaddtimeout , whose first argument app context call use give value \? xtappcontext xtwidgettoapplicationcontext \( widget \) course , using app context returned , xtappinitialize , etc best option , unless path available
sclark epas utoronto ca \( susan clark \) subject bay area media \( wings leafs coverage \) organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto ca lines 11 yeah , news true leafs lost wings 6 3 wish could say 'd seen whole game husband wanted watch young guns ii another channel sometime first time tuned saw leafs tie next time tuned heard score 5 1 , something happened please woofing red wings fans 're third favourite team , make past leafs 'll wish luck potvin well , fist playoff game susan carroll clark likes anyone doug gilmour plays
dannyb panix com \( daniel burstein \) subject japanese moon landing \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 17 afraid ca n't give info hoping someone netland details short story newspaper days ago made sort mention japanese , using sounded like gravity assist , managed crash \( crash land \) package moon article vague unclear , make matters worse , n't clip anyone 's memory \? thanks dannyb panix com
leibniz uwaterloo ca \( alfred yim \) subject they're ! ! ! ! ! keywords leafs chicago organization university waterloo lines 39 well , gotta tell ya , last night 's leafs game vs devils nail bitter let tell ! well played game teams \( thought \) according ron night leafs devils toronto well , beg differ imho , clark deserved first star much gilmour fast breaks towards net good created reminded clark old \( take credit away gilmour \) think leafs playing great hockey \? well first look injury list includes , cullen , , zezel , macoun course question leafs fare healthy playing well far \? \? second , look standings , still second defence , moved 11th overall 6th last month , n't lost home last 12 games , 8 game streak etc \( btw , wrong potvin 's first shut \? ca n't remember yet \) well , april 3 see race first norris truly begun close race chicago toronto best game season probably last \( anyone lucky enough tickets see one \? \) coming stretch still ! ! ! ! ! go leafs go ! ! ! ! alfred \( yong jeh \) yim toronto wins 4b mathematics \( actuarial science \) \( \? \) cup university waterloo , canada like coca cola idea personally e mail descartes waterloo edu
ndd sunbar mc duke edu \( ned \) subject problem tek xterminal organization basic arrhythmia laboratory , duke univ med center , durham , n c lines 18 nntp posting host bal1 mc duke edu originator ndd bal1 recently purchased tektronix xterminal , i'm problem graphics widget wrote display waveforms , n't work xterminal buttons , etc , show , seems take 'right' amount time draw , nothing visible graphics window clue start looking program works fine suns \( 3s 4s , color b w \) could anyone suggest line attack problem \? color xterminal running 6 0 0 host sun ipx running sunos 4 1 3 x11r5 , ned \( ndd sunbar mc duke edu \) basic arrhythmia laboratory box , duke university medical center durham , nc 27710 \( 919 \) 660 5111 660 5100
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject hard copy hot pursuit ! ! ! ! organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 22 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , wcd82671 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel warren c \) says yo , anybody see run hard copy \? , n't watch bu sh kat , although latest machine , still high performance machine brakes , know cages , especially ones lights , ca n't stop fast high performance machines happens \? cage kat , mean cop fault rear ending bike \? know , following closely reckless driving \? dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject anger organization indiana university lines 34 article apr 17 01 10 44 1993 2232 geneva rutgers edu news cbnewsk att com writes paul conditt writes insert deletion paul 's aaron 's discourse anger , ref galatians 5 19 20 n't know obvious speaking acts flesh speaking emotions emotions moral immoral , good bad emotions first step label emotion good bad numb hide true feelings , accept , god accepts us oh , definitely please look colossians 3 5 10 ephesians 4 25 27 emotions controlled god puts strong emphasis self control , otherwise , would paul write timothy much making sure teach self control \? insert deletion remainder paragraph think , aaron n't quick judge forgiven aids , dealt taken responsibility feelings made appropriate choices action feelings given anger please , think read , joe , issue self control especially feelings actions , actions stem feelings many instances god giving anger , comes soon joe moore joe fisher
narlochn kirk msoe edu subject need help wordperfect windows distribution usa organization milwaukee school engineering , milwaukee , wi usa lines 19 two questions 1 \) troubles wordperfect windows try select change fonts , etc text disappears tried center two lines , second line disappeared find error , know correct 2 \) right newsgroup \? go \? e mail prefered else still waiting naked gun part \( pi \) '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ' '' '' '' ' edu '' '' '' ' '' ' \( \) ' '' '' ' narlochn kirk msoe edu ' '' '' '' '' , wi '' ' team '' '' ' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject young catchers article news organization biochemistry lines 139 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu since one responsible divergent threads approx 40 posts \( going back braves could better injury happens \) , may well inject little fuel flame ! 1 \) back beginning spring training , though lopez would make squad easily olson still recovering late season injury \( knee , believe \) , questions whether would able play june berryhill looking forward , believe lopez hit field position last season , braves defensive catcher prospect , brian braves offensive catcher prospect besides , olson berryhill could n't hit way wet cardboard box , n't walk enough useful olson recovered quickly , berryhill recovered , braves went two still say one two start season , would n't gotten job back 2 \) certain logic keeping olson berryhill around , ml catchers short supply suffer wear tear teams without one average ml catcher \( california seattle come mind \) certainly , trying move olson berryhill waivers would unlikely work plus , 'd eat salary , n't huge , n't either \( think olson 's 800 , 000 , berryhill 450 , 000 , 's recall \) 3 \) yes , think arbitration eligibility may role play also , 5 6 2 year players n't eligible arbitration \? 1 6 roster longest eligible \? course , system may change , extent change yet known business standpoint , may make sense keep lopez june first time olson berryhill go dl 4 \) still disappointed lopez n't team still prefer think fan comes braves , truth 'd rather see best team field , , imo , includes lopez course , today play cubs hopefully , wo n't need \) schuerholz cox conversation , imagine went like \( remember , 've gm 's \) \( following meant read humor impaired \) cox ok , 've sent jones fielding could little smoother besides , blauser hit ok fielding better used schuerholz well , 'll send nieves deion wo n't sign baseball contract ca n't count october , keep nixon around defense besides , gorman 's ready give billy hatcher yet hatcher 's gone deion signs , move nixon frankie rodriguez ought give us pitching depth 1995 cox yep , 'll nice bad deion wo n't sign ok , 'll look nieves justice starts berry berry er , back problems , klesko \? schuerholz well , 've still got fork another 1 5 mil bream keep klesko , either lose money keep dangling sid front dal maxwell , somehow n't seem gm first jeffries jose , whiten clark ! gets rid brian jordan , 'd believe whitey herzog switched bodies winter meetings ! cox ok , keep trying bream , 'll wait til trading deadline hunter klesko platoon maybe get extra bats wait try california snow starts slowly , maybe bite sid n't work , perhaps sid 's knees could persuaded act 's always 15 day dl ! mwa ha ha ha ha ! schuerholz \? cox well , 's much better lemke maybe starts richmond , 'll start walking besides , 's going arbitration eligible , better stretch actually get value makes big bucks schuerholz , let 's see leaves lopez cox ! gotta keep lopez ! sure , n't think olson would recover quickly maybe talk caminiti running \? schuerholz nope , lopez gotta go know 'll get 3 million arbitration may well put one extra year besides , olson 's shown stuff little bit , ca n't trade besides , berryhill 's left handed hitter know rare \? cox n't mean left handed \? pretty common , ask mean , made pat borders look good world series pat borders ! ! ! schuerholz hey , 're one would n't write lopez lineup cox well , 're one went got jeff reardon ! besides , thought lopez would n't used pitching staff 's stuff got time spring looked pretty good come , surely need keep one stiff behind plate \? schuerholz yeah , stiff \? whichever one keep hurt may cox ok , ok , made point keep surely one dl june latest call lopez , win 110 games ! pennant ! world series ! 'll john mcgraw ! casey ! earl weaver ! oh , laughed toronto , ever deal george bell \? 'll finally get reward ! mwa ha ha ha ! schuerholz easy , bobby taking happy pills left around chuck tanner \? 'd ever hire guy anyhow \? cox n't ask ask ted eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu marxist , groucho sort grafitti , paris , 1968 tanstaafl ! \( although internet comes close \)
subject microwaves used collect xyz coordinates sldf3 sol ee usu edu \( weston r beal \) distribution world organization utah state univ ee nntp posting host sol ee usu edu lines 32 article ag7 bcstec ca boeing com , rgc3679 bcstec ca boeing com \( robert g carpenter \) writes seems reasonable microwave transmitter receiver setup could job example , say want map acre lot , 'd convenient place mw transmitters around lot 's periphery \( either 2 3 \) carry hand held recorder walk point lot , press button recorder 's location stored digital data 's chance working \? systems like already exist \? kind accuracy could expect \? would something like cost prototype \? better alternative microwaves \? course could develope system , already system called global positioning satellites gives three dimensional coordinates anywhere earth many use system differential receiver transmitter get coordinates within basic receivers resolution meters \( good day \) available many sources weston r beal sldf3 sol ee usu edu sldf3 cc usu edu electrical engineer utah state university 's wonderful thing crayons take places
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject wh proposal police point view organization dsi uscrpac lines 18 dwight tuinstra posts interesting message comments effects clipper chip state local police actually , reading lines , could good thing civil liberties one respect , since least prevent cowboy cops cowboy state local reading traffic tap illegally extensive discussion eff forum , example , taps used develop information could lead admissible evidence might put stop things , must time time simple fishing expeditions david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject islamic authority women nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 30 scott sauyet \( ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \) wrote regardless people 's hidden motivations , stated reasons many wars include religion course always claim real reason economics , politics , ethnic strife , whatever fact remains justification many wars conquer want say , instance , economics chief cause crusades , could certainly make point someone could come along demonstrate really something else , manner show really religion could manner eliminate possible causes crusades scott , n't make outrageous claims religion 's affecting history , , point many claims made wrong nothing validate atheism time made statement religion sole cause anything , done point make kind claim mistaken , usually deliberately credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature , function religion course , history believe distort history way know exaclty 're , affect bill
keegan edward cs yale edu \( edward keegan \) subject dec mt 486 , adaptec scsi , conflict organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host thumper cf cs yale edu dec nt 486dx33 adaptec scsi controller , hard disk cd rom drive add ethernet card \( 3c503 \) reboot system receive error message boot device cannot found pull card reboot , everything fine 've moved controller card various slots , different positions \( slot controller , slot controller \) result dec n't responded problem yet help would appreciated edward keegan , facility director e mail keegan cs yale edu yale university , computer science department phone 1 203 432 1254 51 prospect street , room 009 fax 1 203 432 new , ct 06520
mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) subject 2nd rfd comp databases ms access article rodan organization cs uiowa edu lines 31 nntp posting host rodan uu net 2nd discussion \( rfd \) creation comp databases ms access discussion period started april 6 last april 28 , \( 22 days \) official rfd creation new newsgroup general discussion microsoft access name comp databases ms access moderation unmoderated time , need moderator future evaluation determine one needed purpose access new rdbms windows operating system includes wysiwyg design tools easy creation tables , reports , forms queries database programming language called access basic purpose group provide help people use access 's wysiwyg design tools create simple databases well people use access basic create complex databases rationale eventhough access new rdbms , popular graphical development enviroment initial low price version 1 0 product means access users novices reason newsgroup needed access users discuss experiences product answer 's questions napoleon mau herky cs uiowa edu
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject translations organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 25 article may 9 05 41 02 1993 athos rutgers edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes version bible consider accurate translation \? well , knowing greek hebrew , i'm probably picky translations would english translations source information \( 1 \) verse comes substantially different different trans almost certainly unclear original \( 2 \) bad practice shop translation fits doctrinal positions personally , still like rsv nrsv also good strong preference editions indent beginning verse verses paragraphs verse numbering relatively modern addition given undue prominence michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
jyow desire wright edu subject alarm systems worthwhile \? distribution usa organization wright state university lines 27 article 1993apr19 news eng convex com , dave dodson dodson convex com writes worthwhile get alarm system new car \? features important \? features unimportant \? question answered live live place crime apparent , might good idea get one simply deterrent however , professional thief wants vehicle , good gone matter slow thieves would good idea get basic options would 1 \) ignition kill fuel cut 2 \) flashing red led two basic decent alarm system slow criminal , get steering wheel lock sufficient persuade thief find easier target , 's always car jacking life confusing \? hope helped somewhat jason yow human factors psychology program wright state university , dayton , oh e mail jyow desire wright edu
nigel coles oz au \( nigel harwood \) subject adaptec asw 410 sony 641 organization coles supermarkets lines 24 two months ago purchased adaptec asw 410 driver use cd rom drive time seemed thing documentation adaptec scsi controller said driver used cd rom drives since learn driver date major way adaptec upgrade deal going next driver \( think 's called scsi something \) n't upgraded cd rom drive sony 541 sony 641 find audio mode work assume handled correctly asw 410 driver , chase adaptec upgrade \? anyone know fax number \? assistance appreciated regards btw everything else works fine , certainly seems sony caught rest 641 nigel harwood post coles supermarkets , po box 480 glen iris , australia phone 61 3 829 e mail nigel coles oz au fax 61 3 829
bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) subject women 's jackets \? \( ed must daemon child ! ! \) organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution usa lines 44 article 1993apr14 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( john hensley \) writes beth dixon \( bethd netcom com \) wrote new duc 750ss n't , 'll go back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard \) wife looking jacket , men 's styles 's tried n't fit well fit shoulders arms , 're tight across chest , something like anyone suggestions \? i'm assuming v pilot , addition handy storage facilities , pretty decent fit company makes reasonable line women 's motorcycling stuff \? importantly , anyone boulder denver know shop bothers carrying \? lucky found jacket liked actually fits hg makes v pilot jackets , mine similar style made leather san jose bought one last two ever made finding decent womens motorcycling gear easy lot stuff 's everywhere , made fashion leather , made fit men , etc n't know shop area women rider friendly places san francisco san jose area , n't recommend buying clothing mail order hard tell 'll fit bates custom makes leathers might want call \( 're l \) get cost estimate type jacket wife interested large manufacturers like bmw h g sell women 's lines clothing decent quality , fit ago , noemi lisa talking starting business sort thing n't know finally decided beth beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top
dean fringe rain com \( dean woodward \) subject drinking riding organization organization mass confusion lines 36 cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes article mjmuise 38 1302 watstar uwaterloo ca mjmuise 1302 wats think cops n't dare drink drive \( tm \) commercials usually say 1hr drink general , 5 drinks 5 hrs , could well legal limit watch indeed , especially smart eat food drink food coating stomach lining \( especially things like milk \) temporarily retard absorption alcohol food digested , absorption proceed , actually \( e , higher instantaneous \) would drunk 1 drink hr empty stomach put another way , food cause less drunk drinking empty stomach early five hours , drunk drinking empty stomach later five hours curtis jackson cjackson mv us adobe com '91 hawk gt '81 maxim 650 dod 0721 kotb '91 black lab mix studley doright '92 collie golden george justification taking away individuals' freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson , alcohol server 's class absolute eating drinking slow absorption 15 minutes gives time eat , slam one beer , ride like hell try make home 10 minutes left paying , helmet gloves , starting bike dean woodward want step world \? dean fringe rain com 's socio psychotic state bliss '82 virago 920 guns'n'roses , 'my world' dod 0866
dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) subject escrow database nntp posting host se houston geoquest slb com organization geoquest system , inc houston lines 17 article 1993apr20 shearson com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes two escrow databases fits conveniently single valuable exabyte tape get easier time , cares already hold clipper keys country pocket two 8mm tapes excellent point , 's related point 'd like make 'll back databases , wo n't \? many tape copies , secure tapes \? store site , would n't hard transit 're kept site , one good bomb attack group intent freeing us threat government snooping take care problem see hi , 're government , um , misplaced copy key could mail us copy \?
bereson ide com \( alex bereson \) subject 1972 montreal olympics originator bereson organization interactive development environments , sf distribution na lines 14 1976 montreal olympics 1 color illustrated booklet french english containing stamps issued games \( mint never \) , 6 00 face value stamps 13 00 2 00 insured first class mailing 2 unusual desk pad holder olympic rings cover montreal stadium inside canadian olympic stamps displayed cover heavy plastic , 6 00 face value 11 00 2 50 insured first class mailing order 22 including insured delivery
aa888 freenet carleton ca \( mark baker \) subject arrogance christians reply aa888 freenet carleton ca \( mark baker \) organization national capital freenet lines 106 follows , moderator already answered charge arrogance could done , confine answering charge previous article , eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) says n't think belief right everyone else 's belief wrong , n't belief simply belief means unfortunatly , seems christians taught think comes religion everyone western intellectual tradition , , taught think fundamental thing true converse necessarilly false without basic theology science know alike impossible distinguish strong weak meanings word believe , however weak sense means sure believe tom went library \( could gone track \) strong sense means certain use basis thought believe nature operates according certain fundamental laws \( despite fact nature appears unpredictable \) christian belief strong kind \( though christians may well hold beliefs weak kind number theological topics \) take extreme say religion one n't accept teachings wo n't saved note two separate ideas hold first view , majority hold second matter pure logic true , hinduism \( example \) must necessarilly false , insofar contradicts incompatible , \( , matter logic , vice versa \) takes quite bit arrogance claim know god thinks wants arrogant claim know anyone thinks wants , unless told christians believe god told us thinks wants especially 's based upon interpretation book christians base belief bible , living tradition church established christ guided constantly holy spirit bible simply written core tradition logic statement faulty assumes two people differing beliefs ca n't correct depends mean differing believe tom six feet tall believe weighs 200 pounds , beliefs differ , may right believe tom six feet tall beleive four foot nine , one us , least , must wrong 's perception two people exactly alike two people perceive everything way believe one truth call god 's truth , universal truth , call n't believe god presents truth think 's look see , prayer , meditation , ation , dreams whatever people may perceive truth differently , n't mean one wrong right thus believe single truth human find assert anyone believe find absolute truth mistaken short , believe anyone share belief point wrong qed example , take question , glass half empty half full \? two different answers contradictory yet correct , belief true , require everyone else 's belief wrong begin suspect real difficulty truth , simply language saying glass half empty contradiction statement half full fact expressed different words \( whole point phrase illustrate different ways optimist express fact \) , course , quite true different people may express belief different words also true may fail understand 's words expressions belief may argue bitterly believe miles apart great occurred way , much ecumenical work done simply resolving differences language conceal agreement belief mean , sense , beliefs equally valid since beliefs people hold contradict beliefs people hold , language culture expression beliefs stripped away , beliefs people hold must , necessarilly false , neither arrogant illogical say believe x believe may correct , equivalent x one us wrong long hold respective beliefs , must regard error mark baker task cut jungles , aa888 freenet carleton ca irrigate deserts c lewis
skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au \( shaw goh \) subject 1 44mb f wanted organization university western australia lines 2 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 subject says please email soon skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au
adrian ora com \( adrian nye \) subject widgets vs gadgets organization o'reilly associates , inc lines 15 reply adrian ora com nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu 've using xmgraph widget 's floating around noticed performance significantly better using gadgets , perhaps even 100 faster heard old programming course gadgets longer benefit performance , 's well use widgets everywhere interesting , 'd like know try single ethernet 100 x terminals , think 'll find much slower adrian nye o'reilly associates
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject wo n't getting low rider year keywords article myrddin organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 29 nntp posting host seahunt imat com article 1993apr5 cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes ouch \) brings mind one recommendations hurt study rear gas tank close proximity highly prized easily damaged anatomy , hurt et al recommended manufacturers build tank reduce , er , step function provided rider 's body slides seat onto gas tank unfortunate event bike stops suddenly rider n't think 's really inspiring manufacturers taken advice heart design bikes like cbr900rr i'm riding 900rr , goodies already tank , design corbin seat tends move forward would n't major danger one 's due accelerating stopped tank \? 're already , would n't impact problem , would \? michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
vax2 concordia ca \( stephen white \) subject gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host vax2 concordia ca organization concordia university lines 25 article 1 cs cmu edu , rubinoff cs cmu edu \( robert rubinoff \) writes article 93105 uicvm uic edu u23590 uicvm uic edu writes note bo gritz populist party ticket david duke \( veep \) 1988 found duke leading ticket , withdrew candidacy gritz gave chance vice president us supporting duke 'd hardly call giving chance vice president us chance populist party ticket winning essentially nil still , imply n't want associated duke robert exactly , party , probably n't want bad press directly associated duke would bring conversely , david duke supposed make us \? mean stand neo nazism whoa ! 's progressive ! come certainly know would refuse openly denounce vice presidency meant putting control stephen white live simply others may simply live k
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thwang mentor cc purdue edu \( tommy hwang \) subject \? \? ! ! organization purdue university computing center lines 12 sorry mis spelling , forgot spell series exams hand reference still possible get cute wwii vw jeep wanna 's \? replica would great think '93 convert c 128 , anything ! !
jmilhoan magnus acs ohio state edu \( jt \) subject help need modem info duo 210 nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 10 hi alternatives express modem duo owners \( want go least 9600 baud \) \? every place town says back ordered , part reason want laptop mac use remote terminal wherever , really would hate wait 2 months get modem settle 2400 baud thank ,
denis com \( denis \) subject sale 1988 distribution ba , ca organization applied , inc lines 42 sale model 510 te \( model \) year 1988 engine 500 cc four stroke extras 1992 ignition \( easy starting \) suspension custom carbon fiber kevlar skid plate quick steering geometry stock \( epa legal quiet \) exhaust system bark busters hand guards motion pro clutch cable price 2200 contact denis e mail denis com \( 415 \) 570 \( work \) \( 415 \) 494 \( home \) selling trusty husky hopefully buy good dirt bike maintained perfectly never problems 's four stroke , 4 valves , liquid cooled engine heavier 250 2 stroke still lighter honda lot better suspension \( shock , husky fork \) xr casual non competitive rider , engine much better two stroke easily lug hills blast trails minimum gear changes 1992 ignition carefully tuned makes bike easy start \( starts first kick cold hot \) custom made carbon kevlar \( light 1 pound \) wrap around skid plate protect engine cases water pump steering angle reduced 2 degree increase steering suspension tune phil douglas \( multiple time rider \) gives better ride bike suspension , responsive steering head shake good bike sell \? \? \? \? gee , want buy , husky 25 pounds lighter tad
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jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) subject gun control organization interactive media group university massachusetts lowell lines 146 article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu , cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes mention well regulated militia confuses according federalist paper 's , well regulated militia well defined structure follows nationally uniform regulations perhaps actually read federalist papers ! ! perhaps , reread federal 29 deals exclusively well regulated says character oblige great body , classes citizens , arms purpose going military exercises evolutions , often might necessary acquire degree perfection would character well regulated militia , also talks well regulated militia nationally uniform structure note quote end particular paragraph states little reasonably aimed , respect people large , properly armed equipped order see neglected , necessary assemble twice course year , knew much organization required training large group poeple twice year try get people every year , provide basic training new people integrated force , find suitable location , requires continually standing committee organizers since well regulate militia nationally uniform structure , meet twice year train , claim well regulated militia well organized well organized militia necessarily well regulated militia several people stated well organized militia defined 10 usc 311 , states militia united states consists able males least 17 years age , except provided section 313 title 32 , 45 years age , made declaration intention become , citizens united states female united states commissioned officers national guard define militia , adjective well regulated 10 usc 311 define well militia way , shape , form defines become part well regulated militia federalist papers clearly define well militia proper subset militia paragraph quoted , talk militia united states fit character well regulated militia paragraph states associated costs would form annual deduction productive labor country , amount , calculating upon present numbers people , would fall far short whole expense civil establishments states attempt thing would mass labor industry considerable extent , would unwise experiment , made , could succeed , would long endured another quote provide charles scripter james madison , federalist paper 41 \( regarding general welfare clause \) nothing natural common first use general phrase , explain qualify recital particulars phrase right people keep bear arms , shall infringed must either qualify explain phrase well regulated militia , necessary security free state definition explain stated american dictionary language new college edition , 1982 1 \) make plain remove undertook explain puzzle 2 \) define expound explained plan 3 \) offer reasons cause answer for' justify explain error second phrase clearly explain first , therefore second phrase must qualify first definition given qualify 1 \) describe enumerating characteristics qualities characterize 2 \) make competent suitable office , position , task 3 \) give legal power make legally capable 4 \) modify , limit , restrict , giving exceptions 5 \) make less harsh severe moderate 6 \) grammar modify meaning \( word phrase \) since right people keep bear arms , shall infringed describe , modify make less harsh anything nothing grammar sort position task process elimination must fall definition 3 since 3 deals legal power , thing constitution , must correct definition case therefore , right people keep bear arms gives legal power well militia legal power shall infringed thank much mr scripter , provided evidence second amendment concerns people 's right form well regulate militia , says little right untrained person keep bear 50 caliber machine gun since , totally untrained use firearm \( something meant correct going nra gun safety course joining gun club \) , cannot legally buy machine gun , conclude courts elected congress agree know category mr rutledge means destroy liberties rights mean liberties rights participate discussion exactly rights \? force version liberties rights begining statements liberties rights second amendment clearly states using expressions , states , clearly mean intend force views others \? n't think effort force views liberties rights , state nothing written , write , matter liberties rights final word one person among many final word liberties rights belongs many modern document , john lawrence rutledge smart index hyper links stretching research assistant world data net terribly frustrating flip back forth interactive media group pages crude flat illustrations computer science department never even moved animated umass lowell arrows zoom ins completely lacked 1 university ave sound lowell , 01854 problem new words normal text 'd \( 508 \) 934 touch unfamiliar word definition jrutledg cs ulowell edu would pop david 's earth
france sun com \( steve sunconnect \) subject nuclear site 's cooling towers \? organization sunconnect lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host hardy france sun com keywords nuclear article 1qlg9o d7q sequoia ccsd uts edu au , swalker uts edu au \( s87271077 walker man 50 \) writes really n't know post question figured board would appropriate wondering massive concrete cylinders ever present nuclear poer sites look like cylinders pinched middle anybody know actual purpose things \? hear 're called 'cooling towers' heck cool \? water nuclear stations n't generate electricity directly reactor , use reactor generate heat heat used heat water conventional oil coal station , resultant steam drives turbines cooling towers used cool steam water continue cycle steve steve sun microsystems , france email france sun com bix
drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp \( doug rinckes \) subject rgv posing ! ! nntp posting host 133 206 251 21 reply drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp organization telecommunications systems support centre , new zealand lines 18 article dsd es com , bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article speedy 153 engr latech edu speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes article spam maths adelaide edu au spam maths adelaide edu au \( adam \) writes squid deleted 5 helment laws vary state state state \( louisiana \) law personaly , would go 2 feet bike without one law law helment save life 'll go 2 feet , draw line 3 'll see 3 raise 4 doug rinckes drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp new zealand tssc ltd 1976 bmw r100s 1960 bmw r60 1940 indian
minyos xx rmit oz au \( john edmond \) subject dogs vs bikes article organization royal melbourne institute technology lines 10 nntp posting host minyos xx rmit oz au dogs chase anything moves two dogs love chasing ride also chase car passes , running along sidewalk n't seem go trucks though , size difference must factor also works favour though , exercise quite easily riding 1 2 mile road back times ja \( minyos rmit oz au \)
rickert nextwork rose hulman edu \( john h rickert \) subject gotta question organization computer science department rose hulman lines 24 distribution usa reply rickert nextwork rose hulman edu \( john h rickert \) nntp posting host g215a 1 nextwork rose hulman edu article sdcc12 ucsd edu demers cs ucsd edu \( david demers \) writes article 68 0 symantec com , symantec com \( jimmy kuo \) writes gt0523e prism gatech edu \( michael andre mule \) writes maximum runs allowed stopper get credit relief \? e stopper comes 5 run lead save come pitch last three innings , team ahead got wins game , get save correct pitched least 3 innings , entered team lead , pitcher game ended , game never tied stint , team , get save well , rulebook says opinion scorer , must pitched effectively 3 innings save automatic , unlike others someone sabr actually looked games years ago found official scorer awarded save every one games even pitcher pitched badly \( allowing 4 5 runs \) seeing , hearing \( two sense worth \) john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
subject mark whiten rsmith strobe atc olivetti com \( russ smith \) lines 13 vacation last week n't see news could somebody fill st louis ended mark whiten trade \? give arocha , allen watson , dmitri young , dal make decent deal \? russ smith n't know anything x 's , know george assistant coach
cyberman toz buffalo ny us \( cyberman \) subject old 2 lines 33 x maildoor waflinemail 1 00r jason haines said old 256k 04 15 93 04 38 jh wondering people good uses old jh 256k simms bunch apple mac jh know lots people tried jh sell gotten interest collecting together \( ie everyones \) selling lot \? thing give jh , inovative use \( want buy jh simms 8 \) \) , would interested hearing jh free send real cheap ! would intrested hehehe 2 chip 8 chip devices speed \? jh seen ram disc storage devices jh pricey \( plus still little worried data jh stored ram \) \? use ram disk \? \) stephen cyberman toz buffalo ny us mangled fri 04 16 1993 19 58 29 n't need ! blue wave qwk v2 12
royc rbdc wsnc org \( roy crabtree \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization red barn data center lines 54 article noose ecn purdue edu tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes give break ! deal blaze like get shot time nearly witness la firemen among real heroes time wonder actually come , found fire tv shot \? prove ! people breaking law agree n't best tactics , law replaces justice system dying dead note small revolution 216 years ago point probably backed , pulled perimeter way back , let sit media attention decided come alternative see would send couple special forces guys capture assassinate koresh remember , fruit perhaps wait send agents christian sit pray outside line \? try affinity rather \? loops putting lives lines voluntarily chuckle would someone points gun point die live living means building keep badge carrying nuts kids , suspect might well sides wrong law abiding citizens put danger necessary dealing nut \? look man jumped bradley grab flaming women running back building yeah , would say trying save people n't think would risk life much save someone stupid obviously n't even want saved try go see movie 's choice grow tim royc
mlee eng sdsu edu \( mike lee \) subject wire table needed organization san diego state university computing services lines 5 nntp posting host eng sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 anyone table size wire amount current carry probably 1 range friend interested converting mazda electric car needed information estimation thanks advance p info electric greatly
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject telephone hook hok ok circuit organization megatest corporation lines 59 article 1993apr15 bnr ca moffatt bnr ca \( john thomson \) writes thought mine since hook line aprox 48 , hook usually drops 1 led series zener say around 30v hook led hook led would work \? anyone tries tried , please let know aye , 's rub draw enough current light led , equipment phone company think 've gone hook hook state 're supposed draw current means use digital voltmeter use old phone company equipment detect might think 's something wrong cable look guys , 's problem \? want light goes 'phone hook , need run series line , mentioned previous post want light goes 'phone hook , need voltage threshold detector 're going series diode thing \( easiest \) , make sure led take current \( ca n't recall hand , 's something like \? \) careful folks also consider forced ring tip phone 's supposed ring ! even simple zener led setup , might end carbon real quick whatever scheme use , make sure 've got least rated components also remember , i'm mistaken , phone line equivalent circuit current draw 48v gets dropped across 's fine 're roughly 12v , bell considers hook dropping far probably big easiest implementation accomplish \? \? tip rectifier resistor diode v zener resistor v led ring suggestion go ahead blow holes , get idea choose high efficiency led n't need much current get light choose values components required aaron
seq uncwil edu \( \) subject insane gun toting wackos unite ! ! ! organization univ north carolina wilmington distribution na lines 10 anyone worries gun one carry pistol empty chamber safety chances going zero unless sit top lite stove couple minutes put fire \) n't kill us makes us stronger spoken many delta four zulu papa uniform 146 82
scst83 csc liv ac uk \( mr c smith \) subject telephone audio 300 3000 hz \? organization computer science , liverpool university lines 47 nntp posting host goyt csc liv ac uk telephone systems capability 4khz reason implement backward compatable every telephone system addition , mix electrical , close , banana \( paraphrase garfield \) reason 300 3300 hz used voice channels used occupy 4khz bands multiplexed trunk line therefore , bottom , top band filtered minimise interference next band nowadays , digital trunks made less relevant , phone companies still see reason improve quality \( especially free ! \) therefore , digital chunk trunk segments still guaranteed bandwidth 4khz \( carry equivalent one analog line \) clock rate standard t1 e1 digital trunk 's historical uk , bandwidth restriction apparently apply local lines ie used average domestic client private lines run local exchange leasing client usually capable higher bandwidth exchange digital n't quote think remember bt engineer saying something effect work shadowing years ago ! chris \) name mr chris smith twang guitar ! scst83 uk ac liv csc uni liverpool university quest build hardware computer science ever sun may , certainly ball flaming gas ! h lawrence views expressed , reflect private thought
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject numerical nothingness nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 38 article 1993apr18 freenet carleton ca freenet carleton ca \( bob wilson \) writes mario averaged 2 points per game gretzky averaged 2 69 pts game mario projected 80 games 213 points \( beats wayne 's record 1 \) check information posting , gretzky 's record 215 pts 80 games 84 games 97 g 127 224 points 84 games , gretzky 's total projected 226 points pitt 's winning percentage mario \( 45 10 5 \) 84 games 133 points would record \? know mtl 132 one year 76 77 canadiens 825 percentage , 132 pts 80 games \( 60 8 12 \) 29 30 bruins 875 winning percentage also 77 78 canadiens 806 percentage 59 10 11 record bob wilson freenet carleton ca \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) subject jewish baseball players \? lines 21 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 ind25 blurt oswego edu wrote believe rusty staub also jewish ball player also , brown back early 20th century pitcher whose nickname 3 fingers brown obvious reasons 3 fingers 0 2 , ind25 daniel patrick staub catholic school kid , brown farm kid \( probably protestant \) somewhere midwest lost fingers farm machinery accident jim palmer n't jewish , mr jockey shorts 's parents also , i'm absolutely certain carew actually converted wife children certainly jewish neal traven pitt edu 're young , traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen
harris atd com \( brett atwood \) subject thought commercial advertising allowed nntp posting host ess harris com distribution world reply ess harris com organization harris \( government communications system division \) lines 4 debate deleted guess allowed
cs cmu edu \( christopher \) subject buying high speed v everything modem nntp posting host mach cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 38 article 1993apr20 rs6000 cmp ilstu edu behr math ilstu edu \( eric behr \) writes dataport earns nearly unanimous praises reliability moment , probably special 299 price effect may fax capabilities worse two modems warning ads say modem comes mac kit \( cables \) , lifetime warranty applies order directly paradyne ! called \( one distributors \) , wanted charge 16 cable , gave 1 year warranty hmm , n't know information concerning cable warranty came ordered mine logos communications , near cleveland , inside mac cable \( correct pin connections \) \) lifetime warranty whole package assembled paradyne , every piece \( serial cable , telephone cable , etc \) part numbers , except software package compuserve intro kit eric behr , illinois state university , mathematics department behr math ilstu edu behr ilstu bitnet \( please avoid ! \) anyone 's interested , logos number \( 800 \) 837 ordered mine last wednesday got modem friday , though 's far cleveland pittsburgh \) side ship ups cod chris christopher p electrical computer eng dept ece cmu edu carnegie mellon university \( 412 \) 268 5000 forbes ave pittsburgh , pa 15213
avi duteinh et tudelft nl \( avi cohen stuart \) subject israel 's expansion ii originator avi duteinh et tudelft nl nntp posting host duteinh et tudelft nl organization delft university technology , dept electrical engineering lines 14 article 93111 225707pp3903a auvm american edu , paul h pimentel pp3903a auvm american edu gives isreal right keep jeruseleum \? home muslim well jewish religion , among others heck , nobody ever mentions yitza k shamir forty fifty years ago terrorize westerners much way abdul nidal today seems isrealis nowhere arabs , theref ore right jerusaleum much isreal one big difference israel arabs , christians respect israel allows freedom religion avi
netcom com \( greg andrews \) subject radar detector detectors \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 25 matt ksu ksu edu \( neal patrick howland \) writes understand radar passive device much like radio car work antenna picking radar signals radar gun sends therefore would way detecting radar detector would detecting whether one radio car unfortunately , 're wrong counts common method implementing receiver local oscillator local oscillator 's frequency radiated receiver via antenna unless circuit designed constructed great care reference detecting radios , get paperback book spy catcher author discovered detect radio receivers local oscillator emissions back 1950s worked british intelligence greg greg andrews netcom com fortune cookie radioactive cats 18 half lives
peterson pms ford com \( doug peterson \) subject ncaa hockey final organization ford motor company lines 34 distribution world reply peterson pms ford com nntp posting host pms ford com keywords college n't seen anyone post honors maine beat lssu 5 4 milwaukee saturday night quite game maine stormed 2 0 lead first looked like might run away maine 's first goal came inside first thirty seconds game lssu came back end period cut lead 2 1 lssu came second dominating play particularly along boards play went quickly refs running holds barred type game lssu scored three unanswered goals lead 4 2 end second looked like lssu might walk away game coach walsh , maine , replaced starting goalie dunham snow , game michigan snow proved much aggressive goalie third period , like second , belonged team behind maine scored three unanswered goals span five minutes four minute mark scored jim montgomery , tournament mvp , assisted paul kariya last minute game bears highlighting change snow also proved difference end one minute go lssu goalie pulled , snow lssu forward amazing set moves snow great way end game year 's three championships games sold last year one month bradley center holds approximately 17 , 700 douglas j peterson peterson pms ford com ` safety laboratories department driven ford motor company \( 313 \) 390 , lately \?
b8ha000 b8ha musicb mcgill ca subject bb confessions lines 46 nntp posting host vm1 mcgill ca organization mcgill university article 1993apr18 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu \( ahmed abu abed \) writes article cg3 news cso uiuc edu , eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes cl056 cleveland freenet edu \( hamaza h salah \) writes previous article , friedenb sapphire egr msu edu \( gedaliah friedenberg \) says interested , would like inform binyamin netanyahu \( leader israeli likud party \) interviewed cnn tonight larry king live n't guy go crying zionist tv confessing committed , cheating wife typical jew leader , huh \? yes actually , typical muslim arab leader hides fact commited adultery choosing camel husband \( small male child , whichever readily availible \) cl056 cleveland freenet edu \( h z \) ed irony jewish population problem electing leader confessed extra affair first aa else expect \? israel trying portray great democracy one requirement leader previously extra marital affair \( e g bill clinton \) helps wife says 's ok steve
srlnjal grace cri nz subject coreldraw bitmap scodal \( 2 \) organization industrial research ltd , new zealand lines 22 nntp posting host grv grace cri nz yes aware coreldraw exports scodal version 2 quite well , apart hassles radial fills version 3 better try export scodal bitmap image included drawing say something like cannot export scodal bitmap least version anyone knows way around ears temporal images make product called converts autocad plots scodal , postscript scodal gif scodal costs 650 wondering anything bitmap scodal part tad cheaper jeff lyall inst geo sci ltd lower new zealand
wingert vnet ibm com \( bret wingert \) subject level 5 \? organization ibm , federal systems co software services ibm , federal systems co software services disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 lines 91 tz zoo toronto edu henry spencer writes article 1993apr21 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes \( given 've heard shuttle software rated level 5 level 5 \? many \? also keep mind achieved use sophisticated tools , rather force attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people whole process hand think little inaccurate , based feynman 's account software development process standdown fred basically correct sophisticated tools , lot effort care got one right challenger feynman cited software people exemplary compared engine people \( also noted software people starting feel management pressure cut corners , n't give much yet \) among things , software people worked hard get things right major pre flight simulations , considered failure simulations nearly bad flight failure result , number major simulation failures could counted one hand , number flight failures zero fred mentioned elsewhere , applies flight software software runs experiments typically mostly put together experimenters , gets nowhere near level tender loving care \( none experimenters could afford \) work one man 's work henry spencer u toronto zoology kipling henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry news software ureply 3 1 x x wingert vnet ibm com \( bret wingert \) tz zoo toronto edu tz zoo toronto edu henry spencer writes article 1993apr21 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes \( given 've heard shuttle software rated level 5 level 5 \? many \? also keep mind achieved use sophisticated tools , rather force attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people whole process hand think little inaccurate , based feynman 's account software development process standdown fred basically correct sophisticated tools , lot effort care got one right challenger feynman cited software people exemplary compared engine people \( also noted software people starting feel management pressure cut corners , n't give much yet \) fred mentioned elsewhere , applies flight software software runs experiments typically mostly put together experimenters , gets nowhere near level tender loving care couple points thread 1 using processes since way challenger challenger self uncover flaws 2 mr spencer says large true process dependent sophisticated tools \( case tools \? \) however , tools cannot fix bad process also , tool support hal \( shuttle language \) somewhat limited 3 onboard flight software project rated level 5 nasa team group generates 20 40 verified code per year nasa 4 feel free call organization interested info software development process bret wingert \( 713 \) 282 fax \( 713 \) 282 bret wingert \( 713 \) 282 fax \( 713 \) 282
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject christianity repeated lives lines 84 article may 5 02 52 15 1993 28800 athos rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes gerry palo writes nothing christianity precludes idea repeated lives earth apostle paul \( romans 9 11 \) points god chose jacob rather esau ancestor covenant people ultimately messiah , made choice two boys still mother 's womb , therefore could possibly done anything good evil deserve appointed admit possibility lived previous lives , \( accordance idea karma \) present lives reward punishment past behaviour , makes nonsense paul 's whole point existence repeated earth lives destiny \( karma \) mean everything happens past deeds oriental view tends direction , subscribe view god may choose one individual another fit instrument plans , preclude development individual earthly life result longer course development , rudolf steiner , subscribe oriental view , karma determining everything one kind caricature much greater law context deed christ golgotha ultimate salvation freedom human working christ seen master theme , indeed , new impulse completely free karma christ incarnated flesh , debt karma sin oriental concepts reincarnation karma , even trivialized mechanized new age teachings , incorrectly assume jesus christ reincarnation master avatar , etc teaching reincarnation karma also concept continuing individuality one life next \( e g buddhism \) important , concept resurrection body , ultimate continuity whole human ultimate resurrection judgement last day another biblical passage also bearing tenth chapter john , devoted almost entirely man born blind clearly , jesus tells disciples past karma parents led blindness , rather new impulse revealed note refute question fact , ask matter course , question stated self evident one two possibilities existed either sins man , obviously incarnation , sins parents fact even asked first possibility indicates awareness idea part form christ 's answer indicates disagree also matthew 11 14 , jesus says straight john baptist , care accept , elias , come also emphasizes gospels positive teaching either way reincarnation , fact , happens human death last day even jesus push teaching people ready embrace \( care accept \) took care point , bible teaches reincarnation deny either , much scripture fundamental christian doctrine becomes understandable reincarnation understood right way used repeated earth lives distinguish little oriental doctrines usually associated word reincarnation phrase rudolf steiner 's \( \) noted idea needed arise new insight west , completely free eastern tradition eighteenth nineteenth centuries , important expression 's education human race return original point , paul 's statement jacob esau contradict idea repeated earth lives karma principles receive fulfillment incarnation , death , resurrection , ascension return jesus christ , view regards , gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \)
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject moonbase race organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 16 article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes much would cost private venture , assuming could talk u government leasing couple pads florida \? would want \? goal cheaper \( remember , n't government \) instead leasing expensive launch pad , use ssto launch much cheaper facility allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 56 days first flight dcx
peter visser el wau nl \( peter van der \) subject one wants fonts pov polyray vivid lines 28 organization wageningen agricultural university x newsreader ftpnuz \( dos \) v1 0 everyone wants fonts vivid pov polyray borland bgi font converter zip program found ftp informatik uni oldenburg de directory pub dkbtrace utils also wuarchive mirrored site \( directory graphics graphics mirrors ftp informatik uni oldenburg de pub dkbtrace utils nice utilities present directory new version polyray 1 6 \( asked \) found sites directory incoming instead utils \( \) also directory could found raytrace time peter peter visser el wau nl department genetics \( \) agricultural university u wageningen , netherlands
laszlo eclipse cs colorado edu \( laszlo nemeth \) subject bmw moa members read ! nntp posting host eclipse cs colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , pizza disposal group lines 27 article 1993apr19 cmhnet org , frog cmhnet org \( jeff campbell \) writes article murdoch acc virginia edu , cdw2t dayhoff med virginia edu \( dances federal rangers \) , everyone cut finger \( \) evil \( tm \) , lurking somewhere dark recesses back end bike , giving prized moto bath \? seem slice one hand every time \( time ! \) 's beemers ec \( tm \) oh yes ! considering never wash bmw \( unless need work \) never get cuts untill tools come best scar \( faded \) exhaust piper , try change oil , engine \( watch idiot drivers wo n't let pass mountains rider , case oil \( sale \) , case beer \) , drain bolt decided seize everyone else clean area transmission bmw r bike \? way found remove engine transmission clutch arm impossible clean \( wear one ec \( \) located \) laz ps anyone know get heads polished ported cheap also much run
robert pest \( robert \) subject ati gup vpic nntp posting host pest uq oz au organization csiro lines 13 could someone tell ati graphic ultra pro supported version vpic located thanks robert email replies would appreciated \) robert hell robert uq oz au engage ludicrous speed
netd susie sbc com \( \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization usr lib news organization lines 62 nntp posting host susie sbc com article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) writes think david koresh n't solid structure , sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast , n't think anyone really cares solid structure sermon 's deaths 's responsible concern people 've enclosed partial list sources cites quotes exactly used christian sermon , 's pretty good , inspired though differ part conclusions , argument presents well backed 's taken long work still ongoing thought rambling says far koresh definite relationship 've made curious say \? first seal revelation 6 , entirety psalms 45 , revelation 19 demonstrated one major points writings prophets \( including david \) , psalms , revelation telling story understand 're related \( ie key \) largely explain charles manson used revelation well see pattern \? wonder koresh liked beatles \? sequence following keyed koresh tape , care check almost see note cards used analysis long list biblical references impressed tremendously deleted interests common sense koresh nut , okay \? found ways bible backup rantings make less kook seems koresh yet another messenger got killed message carried 'll type slowly understand either set fire told followers n't make martyr get killed , killed mean time , sure learned lot evil corruption surprised things gotten rotten \? evil inside compound thou shalt kill stuff oh yeah , one last point believers philippian 2 14 19 rest us , could please post text \?
gary andrew cmu edu subject x toolkits organization school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 10 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply rebels b23b ingr com excerpts misc 27 apr 93 x toolkits rebels b \( 423 \) finger ! ! ! way accessing service like mail server telnet ftp \? use telnet xhost atk itc cmu edu telnet atk itc cmu edu 79 run demo
auvm american edu \( martina cartwright \) subject concentrate child molesters \? article auvm 93096 ncsu edu auvm american edu yuma acns colostate edu auvm american edu pdxgate uucp 1993apr5 lmpsbbs organization american university university computing center lines 53 article 1993apr5 lmpsbbs comm mot com , corp mot com \( \) says article pdxgate uucp rigel cs pdx edu \( chris \) writes \) auvm american edu \( martina cartwright \) writes \) \) \) official legal term rape crime forcing female \) submit sexual intercourse \) \) please , supply references aware states \) word female rape statutes sure others surprised \) well know thats works practice \( nice n fair , ! ! \) , \) unaware statutes applying females , \) uniformly throughout u agree mostly chris \( unfortunately , imo \) true fbi figures rape based crime report female rapes however , states \( illinois \) refuse comply sexist definition ! worms crawl worms crawl worms post net account insofar several liberal jurisdictions concerned , essential elements rape gender neutral nonetheless , decided provide number references support original argument black 's law dictionary \( every law student lawyer 's friend \) defines rape unlawful sexual intercourse female without consent unlawful knowledge woman man forcibly model penal code \( statute proposed national conference uniform state laws organization adoption state \) defines rape male sexual intercourse female wife guilty rape \( \) submit force threat imminent death \( mpc 213 1 \( 1 \) \( \) \) indeed following jurisdictions states statutes similar mpc alabama code ala 6 61 \( 1992 \) arkansas ark stat ann 5 14 103 \( 1993 \) district columbia c code 22 2801 \( 1992 \) georgia f g 16 6 1 \( 1992 \) idaho idaho code 18 6101 \( 1992 \) maryland md ann code art 27 462 \( 1992 \) mississippi miss code ann 97 3 71 \( 1993 \) new york \( check case law \) n c l penal 130 35 \( 1993 \) north carolina n c gen stat 14 27 2 \( 1992 \) puerto rico l p r \( 1993 \) ta , martina
intel com \( \) subject saab mailing list organization intel corporation lines 9 distribution usa nntp posting host intel com keywords saab could someone please tell could get onto saab mailing list specifically need address instructions thanks advance pete
timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) subject amusing atheists agnostics lines 29 robert knowles writes , atheists time hands \) ok , first apologize n't bother reading faq first fired imprecise flame inexcusable nickname bake timmons \? sure , robert koresh \( sic \) knowles seems good , \) n't koresh compound around noon today chance , \? remember , koresh dried sins pass beef jerky umm umm though n't , least rely keep posted 's besides beef jerky david koresh \? bake timmons , iii 's nothing higher , stronger , wholesome useful life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov \( dostoevsky \)
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject got bike ! \( wanted advice cb900c purchase \) keywords cb900c , purchase , advice organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 22 article 1993apr15 mit edu jburnside mit edu \( jamie w burnside \) writes \( sure alot harder load trailer \) road legal tomorrow ignoring concerns transmission taking chances worries trans reletively new reader , quite impressed usefull info available newsgroup would ask get dod number , 'll probably busy riding \) count \? cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnside mit edu \( waiting press return \) later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject wings take game one keywords detroit red wings 6 toronto maple leafs 3 organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 19 msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) writes detroit red wings put lot ice tonight 6 3 washing toronto maple leafs toronto fans seen power mighty red wing offense toronto 's defense match wing offense defense , probert , primeau came move probert back defense \? see parking ass front potvin night \? somebody going discipline probert leafs want win series perhaps fresh clark hit ice end long probert shift cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 29 article 1993apr20 569 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote judge christians acts would call christian yet \? bd 's contradicted scripture actions christian simple perhaps read much media portrayed ask true believing christian find deny association bd 's even 7th day adventists denied ties cult , well , satanists , followers obscure religion , would sure christians would unison condemn make show case dealing fanatical revelation preacher kills ultimately everyone , including innocent children , seems dealing christians christians \( note spelling \) judge muslims acts committed saddam hussein , supposedly devout muslim \? n't saddam dictator using religious beliefs people ends show dangers religion order word mind virus make mothers capable letting small children burn ashes scream \? cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \) subject migraines scans distribution world organization invention factory 's bbs new york city , ny 212 274 8298v 32bis reply jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \) lines 37 dn nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) dn neurology dn consultation cheaper scan also better , neurologist make differential diagnosis migraine , tension type headache , cluster , benign hypertension , chronic , headache syndromes appear normal scan neurologist also recommend course treatment appropriate diagnosis dn also , since many people convinced brain tumors dn serious pathology , may cheaper get ct scan dn come er every weeks dn easier taking time reassure patient , right \? dn personally , n't think ever justified sigh may never justifiable , sometimes even try show thoroughness detailed history , neurologic examination , discussion patient diagnosis , lots , patients still ask ca n't order scan , absolutely sure \? aunt often gets conversation , ignored aunt 's headaches years , died brain tumor , , whatever get away without ever ordering imaging patient obviously benign headache syndrome , 'd like hear magic every able bypass imaging getting eeg mind , n't think eeg terribly sensitive brain tumor , patient feels like something done \( hours spent talking examining patient nothing \) , eeg radiation , 's much cheaper ct mri , eeg brings money department slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \)
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject blues steal game 1 hawks keywords blues , hull , shanahan , joseph , blackhawks , belfour nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 125 blues scored two power play goals 17 seconds third period beat chicago blackhawks 4 3 sunday afternoon chicago stadium brendan shanahan tied game 3 3 brett hull scored game winner 17 seconds later jeff brown denny felsner scored blues goals brian noonan hat trick hawks , also good goaltending ed belfour blues goalie curtis joseph solid stretch preserve blues lead hawks came strong first period , blues 6 1 taking 1 0 lead noonan 's first goal right interference penalty rick zombo expired , keith brown intercepted clearing attempt blue line passed puck steve larmer right circle larmer fired long slap shot , noonan deflected puck joseph 's pads goal , blues picked intensity went hawks 10 9 first period jeff brown tied game 1 1 3 12 second nelson emerson broke left side , got craig muni pushed puck across slot belfour came play pass right boards , brown collected slapped belfour could get back goal two minutes later hawks power play , belfour stopped rich sutter short handed break chris chelios picked puck passed jeremy roenick carried right wing found open noonan nice pass across slot noonan fired past joseph 5 30 2 1 lead noonan completed hat trick 3 11 later increase lead 3 1 stephane matteau made nice pass right boards noonan beat stephane quintal driving net joseph chance noonan deflected puck net denny felsner reduced blues deficit 3 1 12 49 picking rebound basil mcrae 's slap shot slot janney set mcrae shot , puck sailed wide net bounced end boards felsner felsner rebound partially open net blues hawks 10 5 second period blackhawks leading 3 2 9 56 third , stephane matteau picked high sticking penalty 53 seconds power play , steve smith called slashing , giving blues 5 3 advantage 1 07 blues n't waste time brendan shanahan scored 23 seconds two man advantage tie game 3 3 janney found hull slot , hull fired rocket belfour jeff brown collected rebound passed shanahan left circle shanahan beat belfour sharp angle 17 seconds later , hull scored game winner blues nelson emerson broke right wing , carried puck behind net along two hawks defensemen emerson made nice pass unchecked hull slot , hull beat belfour put blues 4 3 hawks several chances tie game final minutes , joseph made brilliant saves prevent hawks scoring stopped troy murray point blank right crease 2 30 left game blues killed late hawks power play , rich sutter clearing puck hand along goal line blues held win game hawks blues 13 7 third period , 27 shots goal team blues special teams excellent game blues killed 6 7 hawks power plays , scored twice four power play chances blues ranked among best special teams league rank 2nd penalty killing 3rd power play game carried live abc , first time nhl game star game shown network television since may 24 , 1980 , cbs carried game 6 stanley cup finals best seven series continues wednesday chicago friday sunday st louis box score blues 4 , blackhawks 3 blues 0 2 2 4 chicago 1 2 0 3 first period chi noonan 1 \( larmer , k brown \) , 8 17 penalties shanahan , stl \( holding \) , 2 28 zombo , stl \( interference \) , 6 00 murphy , chi \( high sticking \) , 11 30 , chi \( boarding \) , 14 39 zombo , stl \( holding \) , 18 46 second period stl brown 1 \( shanahan , emerson \) , 3 12 chi \( ppg \) noonan 2 \( roenick , chelios \) , 5 40 chi noonan 3 \( matteau , sutter \) , 8 51 stl felsner 1 \( mcrae , janney \) , 12 49 penalties baron , stl \( interference \) , 4 33 wilson , stl \( tripping \) , 9 31 third period stl \( ppg \) shanahan 1 \( j brown , hull \) , 11 12 stl \( ppg \) hull 1 \( emerson , j brown \) , 11 29 penalties shanahan , stl \( roughing \) , 1 54 matteau , chi \( high sticking \) , 9 56 smith , chi \( slashing \) , 10 49 baron , stl \( roughing \) , 14 23 shots goal blues 10 10 7 27 chicago 9 5 13 27 power play opportunities st louis 2 4 chicago 1 7 goaltenders st louis , joseph , 1 0 0 \( 27 shots 24 saves \) chicago , belfour , 0 1 0 \( 27 23 \) referee kerry fraser linesmen kevin collins , brian murphy 16 , 199 \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject old key registration idea organization bell laboratories lines 19 article netcom com , rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) writes stating dorthy denning intellectually dishonest acm debate newsgroup previously refrained suggesting arguing behalf consulting clients , say clear dorthy denning functioning , computer scientist used legal ethics \( truth convince anyone \) , scientific ethics \( truth understanding external world \) maybe revoke acm membership \? 8 \) suggest refrain insults unless produce evidence back claim given measures proposed passed last year , 266 scanner ban , proposal need attempt technical solution 's entirely possible , fact , notion splitting key , came debate , proposal
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject japanese moon landing \? organization u toronto zoology lines 21 article rave larc nasa gov c egalon larc nasa gov \( claudio oliveira egalon \) writes thing stable lunar orbit right \? \? \? new stuff means put around around moon long orbit unstable \? \? \? , reason \? \? \? combined sun , moon earth provide stable orbit around moon \? \? \? lunar satellite needs fuel regular orbit corrections , fuel runs crash within months orbits apollo changed noticeably lunar missions lasting days possible stable orbits moon 's gravitational field poorly mapped know none perturbations sun earth relatively minor issues low altitudes big problem moon 's gravitational field quite due irregular distribution mass within moon work one man 's work henry spencer u toronto zoology kipling henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
afielden cbnewsb cb att com \( andrew j fielden \) subject x interactive performance keywords benchmark organization lines 21 recently got ncd x terminal evaluate running xremote serial line wanted get measurement response time , wrote small xlib program simply creates window , maps sends first expose event program times delay sending event , receiving thought simplest way test client x server round trip delays 's similar concept ping \( 8c \) program valid test perform \? 've also tried program , available ftp uu net , server graphics operations , wanted get measure acceptable interactive response time anyone got ideas subject \? thanks andrew \( afielden mlsma att com \) andrew fielden network systems uk tel 44 666 information systems group \( sun support \) email afielden mlsma att com
dwilson csugrad cs vt edu \( david wilson \) subject computer audio video furniture needed 4 18 lines 60 organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 60 unless otherwise noted , mainly interested used items \( \) following sale , please contact email mbeck vtssi vt edu phone \( 703 \) 552 4381 usmail michael beck 1200 progress street 5500e blacksburg , virginia 24060 please give much info possible \( brand , age , condition , etc \) wanted , 4 16 93 computer equip 1 cheap tape drive pretty much kind \( used \) 1 memory ps 2 model \( new used \) 1 macintosh computer 1 486 66mhz chip \( new used \) 1 colorado tape drive , 250 megabyte , w 5 tapes \( used \) 1 101 key keyboard 1 high density \( 1 2 mb \) 5 1 4 disk drive 1 printer hp laser hp deskjet series 1 printer 24 pin deskjet 1 high density \( 1 2 mb \) 5 1 4 disk drive external 1 adaptec 1542 scsi 16 bit hd fd controller \( used \) 1 piggy back memory expansion intel 386 1 130 mb ide hard drive 2 17 monitor , 1280 resolution , 28 dot pitch better , digital non computer equip 1 drum set mult amps band 1 tv 27 bigger , stereo 1 vcr 4 heads , stereo 1 receiver 100 watts w dolby surround sound capability 1 bed full queen sized local offers , please 1 desk local offers , please due shipping constraints
venus su subject starvation organization institute theoretical experimental lines 29 nntp posting host venus su interested investigations starvation improving health young russian highest medical education work biological field would like work problem anybody send adresses hospitals medical centers scientific problems human starvation health investigated \? also would like set scientific contacts colleagues deals investigations field would appreciated anyone reply pls , contact post , russia , moscow region , , p box 46 , n e mail venus su thank advance ,
ron hpfcso fc hp com \( ron miller \) subject boston gun buy back organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 19 interlan interlan com \( mark \) rm short thought ask question authorities sponsors buyback programs whether check stolen weapons answer , 's total amnesty please note 50 given firearm , boston cash , money orders much amnesty get leave paper trail behind \? latest case denver , giving away tickets denver basketball game traceable money order \? \( n't know n't used one 20 years \) even issue weapons n't checked stolen \? ron
spl ivem ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject point within polygon organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 15 nntp posting host ivem ucsd edu keywords point , polygon article 1993apr14 bull co uk scrowe hemel bull co uk \( simon crowe \) writes looking algorithm determine given point bound polygon anyone code reference book containing information subject \? see article efficient ray polygon intersection , p 390 graphics gems \( isbn 0 12 5 \) second step , intersecting polygon , want sample code book spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 bolsheviks , , meeting
dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com \( dave medin \) subject plug reply dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com organization intergraph corporation , huntsville al lines 18 hp 1815 plug series scope mainframe i'm never going use \( scope \) 're interested , please let know price \? probably real cheap notice may appeared posted , never showed local server dave medin phone \( 205 \) 730 3169 \( w \) ssd networking \( 205 \) 837 1174 \( h \) intergraph corp gd3004 internet dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com huntsville , al 35894 uucp uunet ! ingr ! b30 ! catbyte ! dtmedin everywhere look \( least around office \) opinions expressed mine \( machine \)
zia castle ed ac uk \( zia \) subject help please hand scanner problem organization edinburgh university lines 29 know anything caere typist plus graphics hand scanner , please read save life problem caere typist plus graphics hand scanner connect powerbook 160 cable scanner fit scsi port computer managed assembled adapted cord computer however , placed computer scsi mode , acted external hard disk whenever switched computer 've asked engineer london assemble new cable 's taken 14 weeks yet find solution , sheer laziness know cable exists solve problem know solution please let know cable need get hold one e mail address zia uk ac ed castle truely grateful help thanking advance , zia
rexlex fnal fnal gov subject god love \? organization fnal ad net lines 70 article apr 13 00 08 10 1993 athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) writes uncomfortable tract general seems emphasis hell god deserves love worship like idea frightening people accepting christ yet , jayne , read gospels particular topics jesus spoke , hell figures large time certainly heaven paul , learn thess , taught new believers new churches eschatology hesitate teach hell damnation rev , chapter 20 11 15 specific cannot think word throne used 45 times rev unbelieving come receive assignment severity judgement , john 3 read already judged rom 3 speaks every mouth shut recourse , excuse defense see evangelism combining way living shows god 's love putting words explaining love preaching gospel without living gospel better noisy gong cymbal yes agree life often like swings extremes stopping moderation think seen extreme hell fire brimstone preacher , also seen extreme hell talked fear offending someones sensibilities forget founded word life ministries , remember telling story small town hardware store man got point telling n't believe satan hell believed everybody going heaven point man asked pray god would send children hell ! course man would n't point made many people say n't believe hell willing really place faith n't exist man , would prayed prayer hell n't exist would fear prayer answered yet , walk believe never sent 'd use different illustration however include watch , say basketball \( go bulls ! \) game , see blatant foul n't called , oi ! 's ref n't make call 's unfair life , righteousness demands payment surgeon takes knife hand cut cancer away , god cuts still old creation must preach gospel includes fact reject way truth life , broad way distruction 's question many christians afraid going hell \? many responding god 's love \? think would fall somewhere actually , repentance n't turning towards , also turning away ! , , jesus used ministry surely see also love , course , truth assuredly thought writing something topic , would say good reasons existence eternality 1 \) god light yes love , love boundary holiness 2 \) dignity man either man robot responsible creature responsible , also accountable 3 \) sin today poor , poor concept sin god 4 \) christ willing die go offer avenue whosoever rex
kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) subject kyle k rodney king distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 19 thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes article c5lp0y fdk news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? i'm curious think particular adjective important i'm curious took beign statement cross posted several different news groups , including something along lines alt discrimination look rodney king black large several large black male friends , referred large black men \( faces , \) know , ted , large number , spare try get personal flame wars let say think action cross posting total bs , 're trying start crap hopefully , others see trite little game play along
ingles engin umich edu \( ray ingles \) subject metaphysics organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu article mimsy umd edu mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes benedikt rosenau writes , great authority contradictory cannot exist contradictory property language correct things defined contradictory language exist object definitions reality amend things described contradictory language exist 've come something plainly false failures description merely failures description description object , one time , euclidean square euclidean circle \? hold object satisfying description could exist description inconsistent , hence describes object could exist , suppose someone pointed bicycle , said , object , one time , euclidean square euclidean circle mean bicycle exist , description incorrectly applied atheist says , descriptions god presented contradictory , hence describe something cannot exist , position \( far gather \) god exists , descriptions atheists presented simply bad descriptions roughly analogous someone never seen bicycle , , ask description people claim seen one , told euclidean circle square blamed doubting rather strongly exists \? \( i'm objectivist , remember \) kidding sincerely , ray ingles ingles engin umich edu meek earth rest us going stars ! robert heinlein
riggs descartes etl army mil \( bill riggs \) subject losers \( stop putting white het males \) keywords racism , sexism , organization corporation , riverdale , md lines 152 nntp posting host descartes tec army mil article 1993apr2 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes 1993apr2 jato jpl nasa gov michael neuron6 jpl nasa gov \( michael \) writes n't know white male know white males , class , done 've invented light bulb , automobile , airplane , printing movable type , photography , computers , electric guitar , rocket powered space flight , computer , electricity , telephone , tv , motion pictures , \( sp \) , telescopes , nylon , x ray machine two glaring errors first , white males n't anything class individual white males invented things , means nothing white males whole second , neglected mention charles manson , hitler , mccarthy , jack ripper , ted bundy , whole slew individuals done horrible , evil things white males take credit fellow white , must also take blame claim deserve neither credit blame things told , u barbara jordan , biologically incapable compassion 's full shit told susan 're rapists 's 's full shit 're told catherine false rape charge actually good us 's full shit told feminist lawyers trusted children 're full shit told , newsweek magazine , poor sports complain newsweek full shit point , ladies \? michael entirely correct theory members race gender made great advances , race gender whole deserve respect receive white males deserve treated better treated , reason male bashers quoted repugnant hate , better despise one 's right , usual white males need wake realize 're unfair , yes everyone else needs wake realize unfair right back disgusting , racist sexist ca n't learn treat everyone fairly , without generalizing \? stupidity gene makes difficult \? 'd like buy world clue word missing whole discourse b word , h word , even n w words l word loser ! ! 's right boil crap argument , winning losing , nothing else let explain remember eighties \? excuses nobody handle mail buffer claim young remember ronald reagan yet eighties america learned win \( would n't know \) , well nothing left win cold war endure nuclear holocaust worlds conquer \( forgot outer space long ago \) kind overwhelming , holds barred success killed alexander great yes , little problems along way stock market meltdown , l , revolts crazy middle eastern dictators contend , would tell , god never good meantime , guilt winning , maybe fear one n't deserve one 's bounty success kinder gentler type politician days , bill clinton , affirmative action , lots discourse people n't get us winning business , kind talk mildly irritating , still suggestion losing find \? put , stereotype white male non winner woody hayes rose bowl , punching california fruits nuts steal another one hail mary pass fourth quarter \( whole idea behind 'three yards cloud wear opponent collapses final period \) woody used fists seem weapon choice days , anyway \? answer plain horn rims face guy michael douglas , posing loser known controversial casting short white shirt sure look natural mike n't gordon never look \( though woody always dressed way \) really expect take easy enjoy kind wardrobe , without putting fuss \? starting lose sight , bashing game bashing poor african american slug clint eastwood used blow away time arch wasp \( male gender \) george c scott , americans traditionally love win love winner , tolerate loser political implications simple , many socialists democrats , consider society finite pie equitable way , worry winner loser tell whose side could black women today , asian homosexuals tommorrow , yes indeed , white men yet determined day balance pie finally swung \( 39 \) minority blow whole thing say conservatives libertarians act n't care 's winning 's losing cases , might say something make sure game fair \( equality opportunity , condition \) latter case , might able identify depending much want limit pot either way go , way winner longer way popular least graduate high school \( 'll still popular high school \) beats nerd , would imagine michael douglas would agree , long run , way go \( even hollywood , treats losers worse place america except new york washington , c even columbus , ohio , produced alex , champion football teams eighties first quarter nineties \) 'd like see winners society , regardless race , gender , religious preference , sexual orientation maybe even let white men ! ! \( definitely let win rose bowl someday \) bill r proposals senate opinions represent seen fit mention particularly employer praiseworthy particularly scandalous ones government agency seems historian 's foremost bill riggs duty ensure virtue remembered , deter evil words deeds fear 's damnation , annals iii 65
dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) subject animation organization internet lines 81 xpert expo lcs mit edu think tried send message animation query posted comp windows x 've appended received remember typed , 'd appreciate another attempt ! derek derek c richardson tel \( 0223 \) 337548 x 37501 institute astronomy fax \( 0223 \) 337523 cambridge , u k cb3 0ha e mail dcr mail ast cam ac uk begin included message aol com ! postmaster thu apr 22 04 47 31 1993 received ast cam ac uk \( uk smail 3 1 25 1 2 \) id ast cam ac uk thu , 22 apr 93 04 47 bst received prod aol net prod aol net smtp \( 1 37 109 4 16 2 \) id wed , 21 apr 93 23 49 16 0400 postmaster aol com x mailer america online mailer dcr mail ast cam ac uk subject returned mail unknown member date wed , 21 apr 93 23 46 36 edt message id aol com status r mail sent could delivered addressed unknown user text sent follows hi , i'm new group please bear ! two years ago wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview becoming rapidly obselete , 've finally decided rewrite everything scratch xview put together quick test , 've found xputimage \( \) considerably slower \( factor 2 average \? \) sunview command pw rop \( \) moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc ipx seems \( 1 \) x protocol communication slowing things \( 2 \) xputimage inefficient ! question , fastest way x11r5 dump 8 plane image data window \? take advantage fact client running machine server \? stuck xputimage \( \) \( case might well give \) \? help appreciated thanks ! derek derek c richardson tel \( 0223 \) 337548 x 37501 institute astronomy fax \( 0223 \) 337523 cambridge , u k cb3 0ha e mail dcr mail ast cam ac uk headers ! expo lcs mit edu ! xpert mailer wed apr 21 23 46 29 1993 remote received aol com id wed , 21 apr 93 23 39 41 edt received expo lcs mit edu psi com \( 5 4 0 psi \) via smtp id wed , 21 apr 93 19 44 00 0400 received expo lcs mit edu wed , 21 apr 93 13 58 06 0400 received enterpoop mit edu expo lcs mit edu wed , 21 apr 93 13 58 05 0400 received enterpoop mit edu \( 5 57 4 7 \) id wed , 21 apr 93 13 57 34 0400 received usenet enterpoop xpert expo lcs mit edu \( xpert expo lcs mit edu \) contact usenet enterpoop questions xpert expo lcs mit edu date wed , 21 apr 1993 15 46 20 gmt dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) message id 1993apr21 154620 16330 infodev cam ac uk organization institute astronomy , cambridge reply dcr mail ast cam ac uk subject animation xputimage \( \) \? end included message
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject minolta fd 50 mm forsale organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 4 minolta fd 50 mm lens sale good condition asking 30 rupin dang dartmouth edu
capelli vnet ibm com \( ron capelli \) subject detecting double points bezier curves disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 lines 16 ia522b1w165w oeinck waterland wlink nl ferdinand oeinck writes i'm looking information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve see maureen stone tony derose , geometric characterization parametric cubic curves , acm tog , vol 8 , 3 , july 1989 , pp 147 163 ron capelli ibm corp dept , ms capelli vnet ibm com po box 950 \( 914 \) 435 , ny answers , cross references
ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu subject lciii problems x xxmessage id kimball pc 316 stanford edu x xxdate thu , 15 apr 93 03 12 01 gmt organization stanford university x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 18 finally got computer fixed 'd like sum hard drive companies original 160 meg drive bad \( bad sector something \) ibm new one quantum lciii supposed shipped ibms \? quality difference \? apparently ! \) second , hard drive position 've put lciii side new 160 hd problems 've even switched back forth horizontal vertical problems far i'm concerned n't believe hd position important drives 160 meg , computer n't know cd rom , though like everything else life , right lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu
ee rochester edu \( brian \) subject iivx c650 upgrade question distribution comp organization univ rochester , college engineering applied science lines 18 article jas tigger isi edu jas isi edu \( jeff sullivan \) writes get teh iivx c650 upgrade , include new sticker cover iivx identifier centris 650 \? ca n't say sure iivx c650 upgrade , wondered thing ordered lc lc iii upgrade turns upgrade actually entire cpu minus disk drives pull floppy hard drives old one , stick new one , 've got lc iii iivx c650 may thing might something look people unhappy apple sells macs pre packaged drives course , price quite bit higher without trade \( brian ee rochester edu
microware com \( james jones \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? nntp posting host snake organization microware systems corp , des moines , iowa lines 19 article 1993apr15 164940 11632 mercury unt edu sean mcmains mcmains unt edu writes article 1993apr15 144843 19549 rchland ibm com ricardo hernandez muchado , ricardo rchland vnet ibm com writes cd 's cpu n't help much either understand 68070 \( supposedly variation 68000 68010 \) running something like 7mhz speed , truly need sprites wow ! 68070 ! 'd interested get hands one , especially considering fact motorola yet released 68060 , supposedly next 680x0 lineup 8 n't get excited signetics , motorola , gave 68070 number 68070 , understand rightly , uses 68000 instruction set , chip serial port dma \( run 15 mhz i'm typing computer using 68070 running rate , know seriously doubt clock rate ricardo rchland vnet ibm com claims \) james jones
ac999135 umbc edu \( ac999135 \) subject wanted cheap used gameboy tg 16 games organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host umbc edu x auth user ac999135 title says cheap used gameboy tg 16 \( 2 player \) games , please email offers rohit
jmeritt mental mitre org \( jim meritt system admin \) subject identity crisis \( god satan \? \) organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu ii samuel 24 anger lord israel , moved david say , go , number isreal judah chronicles 21 satan stood isreal , provoked david number israel
subject western digital hd info needed ac nz distribution world lines 28 article jester gun de , michael jester gun de \( michael gerhards \) writes holly ks \( cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \) wrote western digital also three sets pins back using another hard drive well settings jumpers written right circuit board wd drive sl \? \? \? \? jumper used , drive conner jumper set drive alone drive master sl drive slave yo , yo , yo western digital hd marked either , , put jumper printed circuitry hope helped problem bye later ac nz michael michael jester gun de michael gerhards preussenstrasse 59 germany 4040 neuss voice 49 2131 82238
helios tn cornell edu \( mark e j newman \) subject help advice video system buy keywords video , rs6000 organization cornell university lines 22 question covered elsewhere , apologize , need information fast department given large sum money install video system network ibm rs6000 workstations area expertise , wonder anyone offer advice would like system , based either vhs 8mm video allow one write video , frame frame tape play back real time 's visualization physics problems anyone tell hardware available would work system \? support software obviously needed , nothing particularly sophisticated , since software actually use visualization already written please email replies , n't read group many thanks help dr e j newman department physics , cornell university helios tn cornell edu
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines 39 vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes base belief atheism \? knowledge reasoning \? could n't wrong \? actually , atheism based ignorance ignorance existence god n't fall atheists n't believe pride mistake know 's based ignorance , could n't wrong \? would wrong fall trap mentioned \? also , may , heck talking n't keep comments see line thoughts \? mac bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu new taxes spending cuts 'll still 310 billion dollar deficits
brown venus iucf indiana edu \( robert j brown \) subject shaft drives wheelies news software vax vms vnews 1 3 4 nntp posting host venus iucf indiana edu reply brown venus iucf indiana edu organization iucf distribution rec lines 29 article stafford stafford winona msus edu , stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) writes 19 apr 93 21 48 42 gmt , xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu said possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? yes , rear wheel comes ground , front see , hops air ! figure john stafford sure wheelies shaft drive bike bmw r100rs wheelie monster ! course n't initial power burst twist air pop clutch also replace front fork seals times well fairing bit heavy slamming onto little tubes time let give fair warning trashed ring gear final drive k75 \( assume \) wheelies cheap fix either ! ! kind slip device shaft prevent breaking unfortunately , n't save gears ! topic wheelies , day saw kid big hurricane \( \? \) , rear wheelie man , rear end bike 2 feet ground traffic light n't recommend activities anymore \( i'm old guy kids \) looked damn impressive ! ! ca n't keep tires ground , least 'em pointed direction ! \) cheers , b 2
scott osi com \( scott fleming \) subject sun ipx root window display background picture keywords sun ipx background picture organization objective systems , folsom ca lines 22 hello netters ! fairly weak question ask everybody netland 've looked though last faq comp graphics n't find answer thus post 'll keep short question display raster files , gif files , iff tiff images root window background \? sun ipc , openwindows 3 0 , sun os 4 1 3 helps 've compiled pov sun would like display work done background tile thanks help information provide good day scott fleming osi p 's people provided pov , great !
fc hp com \( rod \) subject , nntp posting host fc hp com organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 15 regards , rod rod ms 37 email hewlett packard fc hp com east harmony rd fort collins , co 80525 ux
ssa unity ncsu edu \( alavi \) subject technical books sale \( x unix c c os db \) repost organization ncsu computing center distribution usa lines 29 friends buch books sale used due change job , loss interest etc rather letting gather dust , would like pass others may use \( course price \) topics include c c programming languages unix dos os2 windows operating system topics \( general \) x motif olit networking digital signal processing computer graphics computer architecture math software engineering algorithms software testing databases expert systems list long rather posting email request going keep list updated respond requests \( lucky \) interested drop line alavi ssa unity ncsu edu \( 919 \) 467 7909 \( h \)
max queernet org \( max j \) subject speeding ticket chp organization queernet lines 10 interesting 'd fight ticket first , 's 50 50 chance cop wo n't show secondly , show , point lied \( \) ticket 70 \? beleive yo 're charged going 15mph posted speed 's severe ticket could n't p going 70 , right \? ! max queernet org max j uunet , sgi ! ! max protect want
tau ac il \( isaac \) subject spigot lc iii organization tel aviv university computation center lines 16 friend mine problems running spigot lc lc iii configuration spigot lc lc iii , system 7 1 video spigot extension 1 0 would get negative experience setup thanks , amir
blast nntp crl com \( tim keanini \) subject mac scsi spec \? lines 20 nntp posting host crl com know wired scsi chain bought drive need find hardcore scsi question iifx scsi chain want see active passive termination \? iifx scsi spec want enable initiation message \? iifx scsi spec want far parity checking \? good questions faq someone time answer questions know look please let know repost answers everyone see thanks , tim keanini broder com blast crl com sound engineer software
cwis unomaha edu \( mark \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization university nebraska omaha lines 86 timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes atheism denies existence god logically bankrupt proof nonexistence \? 's joke one favorite fallacious points atheism , e belief ca n't deny anything ca n't prove n't exist easily nailed showing infinite number beings conceivable observed exist , mean would believe \? according poster , must believe objects beings n't proved exist stop god \? \( could huge number beings identical ronald reagan except trivial differences , say one missing finger , one hair , live planets ca n't see \) reason one atheists bring none christians vested interest unknown beings exception god fine , people shoot foot mock idea god \? classic atheist fallacy shoot foot \? radical muslims , crusades , inquisition common examples atheists like bring marks religion weak ! fools take drivel seriously grand daddy human atrocities , movement \? twenty eight million people killed leadership , proudly featured atheism big difference , stalin n't say stood particular moral position \( e murder terrorism , etc \) opposite \( like religious movements \) , least honest killer \( support stalin attack viewpoint \) saying atheism supports murder violence one man tyrant atheist bad logic , look russians helped stalin n't atheists n't contradict point \? besides point assumes atheism relevant murdering people , common assumption atheists ca n't value life much theists \( n't support \) agnostics funny reasonable yet sense seem funny believe existence god unknowable every bit assumption atheism , though 's less arrogant pompous ah , 's another point n't get faq atheist n't hold positive view god n't exist , may non existence positive belief 's example strong atheism believe god exist positive belief weak atheism n't believe god negative belief , one never thought idea god whole life technically atheist , kind calling unreasonable let 's look way \( sets \) suppose given person huge set ideas represent capital letters people either believe ideas exist real objects santa , e \( \) person believing santa still idea santa notice even e \( \) another idea ! means lots cases christian \( , e \( \) yes , b , e \( b \) , g , e \( g \) yes \) g god atheist \( strong \) \( , e \( \) g , e \( g \) \) atheist \( weak \) \( , e \) e g set agnostic \( , g , e \( g \) , e' , \) people afraid say \? must another feature human nature sexy , trendy , word inspire much hate conflict 's blasphemous 's political fact often taken mean unsophisticated nietzsche said man would rather nonexistence way put humanity always prefers yes maybe useful survival trait , evolution drilled us take positions , even false ones bake timmons , iii
gray uucp \( kelly gray \) subject pinout needed til311 organization college technology dept lines 29 according ti databook , pinouts til311 display follows pin 1 led supply voltage pin 2 latch data input b pin 3 latch data input pin 4 left decimal point cathode pin 5 latch strobe input pin 6 omitted pin 7 common ground pin 8 blanking input pin 9 omitted pin 10 right decimal point cathode pin 11 omitted pin 12 latch data input pin 13 latch data input c pin 14 logic supply voltage , vcc logic supply voltage 5v 60 led supply also 5v , need particularly well regulated led drivers chip use constant current source , led intensity affected supply voltage kelly gray gray uucp \( preferred \) gray admin ca
civil ubc ca \( thomas wong \) subject date stuck organization dept civil engineering , u b c , vancouver , b c , canada lines 15 nntp posting host sam civil ubc ca article usenet ins cwru edu ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) writes ca n't imagine someone would leave computer time start like leaving lights tv , radio everything house time nuts plenty computer labs computers left time n't see shorter lifespan ones offices get turned end day fact , computers labs ones offices goes ways ca n't conclude anything thomas
virginia edu \( todd karlin \) subject new uniforms organization university virginia lines 22 usually one two teams changes logo minor uniform change per season , past seasons incredible thoughts new \( old \) reds uniforms remember seeing pete rose rookie card , unless miss guess wearing exact mets \( performance today \? ! ! ! ! ! \) mets patch shoulder , changed mets front jersey knowledge first time changed since 1962 , reminds little dodger logo many teams opted return previous style uniform , least uniforms look traditional \( phillies , reds , expos , white sox , padres , etc \) bright colors altered gray trend also seen newer baseball fields resembling parks early years , opposed cookie cutter throughout sixties salaries reaching unbelievable , one 's office , inter league play horizon , 's nice see baseball least looks like meant
na4 vax5 cit cornell edu subject kreme distribution rec organization cornell university lines 8 hi folks ! recently saw one post kreme bad idea , one man 's opinion one else experience stuff \?
thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) subject state justice \( gm trial \) reply thf2 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 40 article 1993apr15 143320 8618 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes judge denied gm 's new trial motion , even though gm says two new witnesses said occupant truck dead impact , fire thoughts \? 's kind scary realize judges going start denying new trials even new evidence contradicts facts led previous ruling appear hand , would kind scary never final verdict , party litigation could keep saying oops ! forgot bring evidence , demand new trial get one bite apple judge decided new witnesses believed \? n't jury \? 's general motors find witnesses first litigation 'd arms plaintiff suing general motors pulled stunt made issue already lost 's general motors could n't file enough discovery motions delay trial found witnesses wanted members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias gm \? define obvious bias n't enough judge old verdict call new trial \? gm move new trial grounds \? \? perhaps reason \? ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu i'm sorry , card says moops u c law school standard disclaimers
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defaria cup hp com \( andy defaria \) subject mysterious beeping nntp posting host cup hp com organization hewlett packard x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 121 article crossposted hp windows author andy defaria posted mon , 19 apr 1993 18 08 38 gmt reason following code causes x application beep whenever intercept keystroke change 's meaning intent code allow date fields following special keys tt insert today 's date bump day one bump day one hardcoded dates example perhaps n't using xmtext field reason following code beeps whenever special keys tt hit \? idea code interpret keys special meaning implied code would like get rid beeping , far tell , i'm beep lose understanding beeping occuring include x11 intrinsic h include xm xm h include xm h include xm h include xm text h widget toplevel widget mainwindow widget widget datefield xtappcontext application void \( widget date \) char 04 19 93 xtvasetvalues \( date , xmnvalue , , null \) void \( widget date \) char 04 20 93 xtvasetvalues \( date , xmnvalue , , null \) void \( widget date \) char 04 18 93 xtvasetvalues \( date , xmnvalue , , null \) void \( widget , widget date , callbackdata \) capture keys tt change behaviour found set doit false x wo n't interpret keystroke switch \( callbackdata text ptr 0 \) case 't' case 't' \( date \) callbackdata doit false return case ' ' case ' ' \( date \) callbackdata doit false return case ' ' case ' ' \( date \) callbackdata doit false return default return switch void main \( cardinal argc , char argv \) initialize xt toplevel \( application , application , null , 0 , argc , argv , null , null \) create mainwindow xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( mainwindow , , toplevel , null \) create mainwindow xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( , , mainwindow , null \) create small text area datefield xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( datefield , , , , form , , form , , 8 , null \) set callback xtaddcallback \( datefield , , \( \) , \( xtpointer \) datefield \) realize toplevel xtrealizewidget \( toplevel \) go xtmainloop xtappmainloop \( application \) main swear life love andrew defaria never live sake another man ask hewlett packard another man live mine california language labs john defaria cup hp com swear life love andrew defaria never live sake another man ask hewlett packard another man live mine california language labs john defaria cup hp com
pchang ic sunysb edu \( pong chang \) subject microsoft dos 6 0 upgrade sale nntp posting host libws4 ic sunysb edu organization state university new york stony brook lines 36 article hatton cgl ucsf edu hatton socrates ucsf edu \( tom hatton \) writes adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes article eve usc edu , yuanchie eve usc edu \( yuan hsu \) writes ms dos 6 0 upgrade sale best offer 45 \( opened , unregistered \) , anyone care enlighten us whether dos6 0 worth upgrading \? good 's compression , turned \? nice nasty features \? according reports , n't dos yet , n't utilities \( qemm , stacker , pctools , norton , \) dos6 may worth people dos5 , sort utility , dos6 n't offer much 'd never know usual hype marketing able create , however \) installed dos 6 last week , nothing trouble afterwards windows apps hitting protection faults kid , seem like work \( norton dos 7 0 \) probs include set pcplus pcplus procomm plus longer works many little utilities written dos longer works either \( mostly shareware \) dos 6 , dos 5 works fine apps dos 6 able run dos 5 wont \? c ommon pchang ic sunysb edu ense state university new york stony brook e ngineer
ams auspex com \( allan schwartz \) subject making internal hard disk external organization auspex systems , santa clara lines 29 nntp posting host auspex auspex com difficult operation cables standard , except scsi id scsi id usually three jumper pads labelled a0 a2 trying put 40mb drive lc case conner ca n't figure jumpers scsi id jumpers anyone familiar drive \? end drive \( 50 pin connector \) , eleven pins look like 1 2 l5 pins , l5 represent silk screen notation near pins elsewhere board four jumper pads marked e1 , e2 , e3 , e4 silk screen anyone know scsi id a0 , a1 , a2 pins , drive activity light led plugged \? allan allan schwartz 1 408 492 0900 ams auspex com
pwb aerg canberra edu au \( paul blackman \) subject workspace manager win 3 1 \? organization university canberra lines 26 article 620 werple apana org au jamie zikzak apana org au \( jamie scuglia \) writes workspace managers windows 3 1 \? try workshift karl latest version 2 0 \( later \? \) following cica desktop directory wrksft16 zip workshift graphical virtual desktop \( ver 1 6 \) email karl ask put version 2 0 karl 's email rhi hi \( ms write file v1 6 \) beta tester workshift must say good \( gain nothing saying \) 'll even remember \( workspaces said \) windows sessions thanks advance welcome paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au water research centre , pwb aerg canberra edu au faculty applied science \( \) university canberra , australia spend little love get high lenny
kde boi hp com \( keith emmen \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin 1 1scd1 pl4 lines 11 oryx com \( stephen l favor \) writes seems koresh yet another messenger got killed message carried \( says nothing character messenger \) reckon 'll find rest hard way koresh killed wanted lots illegal guns n't heard illegal guns found accused paying taxes legal guns
terry walter outlan ersys edmonton ab ca \( terry walter \) subject looking reply terry walter outlan ersys edmonton ab ca \( terry walter \) distribution world organization bbs lines 12 looking video video card ibm one allow watch tv \( coax \) video , video , digitize pictures windows , would like able look rca card tv display , well dos apps heard snes genesis , copy games , real \? message posted outlan ersys edmonton ab ca 403 478 hst v 32bis try , 'll like !
sbuckley sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) subject arrogance christians organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 22 dleonar andy bgsu edu \( pixie \) writes , pixie p sincerely believe god exists , follow blindly \? words question authority mean anything \? defy theist reply k n't follow god blindly , long ago , questioned authority rabid point found question authority reject authority unquestioningly question authority time forever question fruitless eventually consider whether answers questions , whether authority say , bible case validity basically question authority necessarily mean reject authority
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject gore throws first ball media coverage originator rja mahogany126 lines 37 nntp posting host mahogany126 organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! distribution usa article 1993apr15 1213 hsh com , paul hsh com \( paul havemann \) writes article 1993apr13 hemlock cray com , rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes article 849 ncratl atlantaga ncr com , mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes past thursday vp gore threw first ball home opener atlanta braves according news reports quite loudly booed \( , dr norman , typical beer red necks \) personally would n't paid attention incident except evening news describing event , went comment booed nothing unusual since normal audiences boo point since delaying start game bunch crock never heard incident thrower ceremonial ball booed dan quayle got booed last year \( listening radio \) game quayle told brewers players would like see play orioles alcs 's come , \? defending al gore comparing dan quayle \? compared quayle gore \? mark said never heard incident thrower ceremonial ball booed mentioned another incident \( media liberal bias , i'm sure would heard quayle incident \) compare quayle anyone , likely would elmer fudd 'd say says back pit ye , back alt fan dan quayle ! ! russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) subject trumpet windows news readers organization cwru school medicine lines 26 nntp posting host axa12 slip dialin cwru edu article mcbride 126 ohsu edu mcbride ohsu edu \( mcbride \) writes article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) writes currently wintrumpet late beta looks like excellent product , several features beyond dos version wintrumpet supports trumpet tcp , novell lwp , also direct packet driver version people using dis pkt shim 's gonna cost \? , speak peter tattam , understanding shareware status trumpet 1 05 dos , imagine registration fees similar also believe new version trumpet dos released sometime near future ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel \( 216 \) 368 3300 cwru school medicine , cleveland , ohio fax \( 216 \) 368 4544
iitmax iit edu \( catherine c \) subject phone number wycliffe translators uk organization illinois institute technology lines 36 article apr 17 01 11 19 1993 2268 geneva rutgers edu mprc troi cc rochester edu \( price \) writes i'm concerned recent posting wbt sil thought 'd pretty much denounced right wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference , including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced 1979 covert political ideological institution used u govt instrument control , regulation , penetration , espionage repression personally know quite wycliffe bible translators organization fundamental purpose translate scriptures native languages terms usual means learning developing written language \( along teaching natives read \) associated u govt many governments want help translators best knowledge mexican government encourages come idea cultural interference presentation good news understand , suggest read books \( biographical \) translators one stands mind excellent called peace child would give true picture mission concern group may seen acceptable even praiseworthy readers soc religion christian 's important christians n't immediately accept every christian organization automatically reproach mp agree statement , cannot also accept others say without looking issues would taking 's discussion cia , etc true must look sides cathy
mayne ds3 scri fsu edu \( bill mayne \) subject ancient books organization supercomputer computations research institute lines 25 article apr 13 00 09 02 1993 28445 athos rutgers edu miner kuhub cc ukans edu writes former atheists converted argument \? excellent question 'll anxious see cases doubt medieval period \( esp 10th cent aquinas flourished \) argument useful tool everyone knew rules today , ca n't count people knowing even basics logic seeing rhetoric , good argument often indistinguishable poor one last sentence ironic , since many readers soc religion christian seem embarrassed apologists josh mcdowell c lewis also expresses rather odd sense history makes think masses day , mostly illiterate , knew rhetoric logic people today \? writings period seem elevated consider cream crop , speak , could read write everyone medieval period knew rules matter uncritically accepting told bill mayne may unfair lewis prominent fallacy attributed liar , lunatic , lord quoted many christians , logical fallacy original context , clh
mars cc edu \( sean tyler mars \) subject help blowing stack expires 29 apr 93 23 00 00 gmt organization carroll college , wi lines 25 hi everyone , question regarding stack pc programming turbo c 3 0 program rather large \( model large \) keep getting errors running memory running program compile program , says 4 45 meg ram ca n't seem explain crashes running loop operator idle sitting , screw variables leads believe stack filling program take memory calling void functions return anything \? \? working problem days would really appreciate responce correct newsgroup , gladly post , could find thanks advance , sean mars email mars cc edu carroll college , wi
makey visicom com \( jeff makey \) subject tapped , code good distribution na organization visicom laboratories , inc , san diego , california lines 15 article c5so84 hxv demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw away academic respectability like n't dorothy denning spent many years earning professional respect colleagues , something manner easily lost support clipper matter unpopular position may serves far enhance clipper 's respectability diminish jeff makey department tautological department disclaimer opinions strictly author domain makey visicom com uucp nosc ! visicom ! makey
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject exploding tv ! organization portal system \( tm \) distribution usa lines 6 sounds like picture tube lost vacuum would cause ignite could actually turn tube vacuum pressure vessel , followed explosion neck assembly \( mostly likely cracked begin \) blows whole sequence events , circuits may continue functioning , accounts losing sound
ucs indiana edu \( \) subject please provide info nntp posting host ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 9 currently group research project drug would exponentially gracious receive information could provide regarding usage , history , mechanism reaction , side effects , pertinent information n't care long short response thanks advance ! brent e shelley
maynard leah msc cornell edu \( maynard j \) subject quickdraw gx \( rest inside mac 's due \? \) organization cornell materials science center lines 21 'll releasing whole new suite quickdraw gx related docs 're going next month 'll get preliminary version documentation cd 're talking multiple thousands pages , i'm afraid gx \( comprising graphics , layout printing \) lots new api calls functionality , need documenting dave opstad gx line layout weenie gx take place 32 bit qd add \? right 32 bit kinda aesthetically pain places hacks upon hacks maintain compatibility original qd think things like cast would lot cleaner ditch entire mess start get \? maynard
sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) subject recommendations local bus \( cached \) ide controller organization michigan state university , college engineering lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host ee msu edu hi , would like hear net wisdom net opinions ide controllers would liek get ide controller card vlb dx2 66 motherboard good options \( preferably 200 \) must also work os 2 compatible stacker \( disk compression w \) please advise divya divya live long , die slow horrible death confucius wanted say
andrew cmu edu subject custom resume disk ! ! organization freshman , mathematics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu custom resume disk ! macintosh ibm compatible ! never pay high cost copy service completely develop format custom resume package mail disk transmit information via electronic mail within 48 hours ! 25 years experience employment industry member national resume writer 's association leave burden developing resume us ! easily custom edit information target company position complete 40 00 package includes custom developed resume custom cover letter custom follow letter custom interview thank letter custom job acceptance letter custom job decline letter custom resignation letter laser printed copies high quality paper available upon request contact vicki burns via e mail unix andrew cmu edu telephone \( 216 \) 493
miner kuhub cc ukans edu subject ancient books organization university kansas academic computing services lines 20 article apr 11 01 02 37 1993 athos rutgers edu , atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) writes n't think 's possible convince atheists validity christianity argument help foster faith understanding god could wrong former atheists led christianity argument \? excellent question 'll anxious see cases doubt medieval period \( esp 10th cent aquinas flourished \) argument useful tool everyone knew rules today , ca n't count people knowing even basics logic seeing rhetoric , good argument often indistinguishable poor one sorry one perennial gripes ken miner kuhub cc ukans edu nobody explain everything everybody opinions g k chesterton
xrcjd mudpuppy gsfc nasa gov \( charles j divine \) subject washington post article us russian space cooperation organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines 23 reported yesterday washington post \( kathy sawyer , writer \) article plays russian role us space gibbons \( science advisor clinton \) sent goldin letter indicating nasa limit redesign options compatible mir orbit white house thinks expectations russian cooperation raised high article reports think spending schedule limits space station stringent redesign nearly impossible 's think goldin begun looking russian hardware goldin states nasa present options administration decision making power goldin white house totally ruled using energia boost station chuck divine
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department keywords encryption , wiretap , clipper , key escrow , mykotronx lines 29 article strnlghtc5pucl 6kp netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article apr18 204843 50316 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes let ask would trust richard nixon crypto keys \? would n't take mean president nixon , private citizen nixon sure nothing i'm would slightest interest president nixon sure n't watched \? let remind watergate tip iceberg nixon extensively used nsa watch people n't like according decrypting puzzle palace presumably , nsa restricted conducting american surveillance foreign intelligence surveillance act 1978 \( \) series presidential directives , beginning one issued president ford following richard nixon 's bold misuse nsa , explicitly directed nsa conduct widespread domestic surveillance political dissidents drug users course , laws saying gov't supposed conduct illegal surveillance n't mean laws ca n't broken way doug holland
atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) subject opinions asked rejection organization national association disorganized lines 23 's talk non christians complaining hell believe 're going heaven \? n't believe heaven going \? heaven , would since n't heaven , 're going , \? point heaven based faith n't believe heaven , 's way 're going course , next step , n't believe hell either , \? seems hell eternal death god atheists believe die die forever , never see god , fact , believe 're going hell hell n't worse earth hell 's eternal , 's lot worse heaven 's comparison matters alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university , rochester , mi atterlep vela acs oakland edu melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread
rych festival ed ac uk \( r hawkes \) subject 3ds texture rules go \? lines 21 hi , 've noticed save model \( mapping planes positioned carefully \) 3ds file reload restarting 3ds , given default position orientation save prj file positions orientation preserved anyone know information stored 3ds file \? nothing explicitly said manual saving texture rules prj file 'd like able read texture rule information , anyone format prj file \? file format available somewhere \? rych hawkes email rych festival ed ac uk virtual environment laboratory dept psychology tel 44 31 650 3426 univ edinburgh fax 44 31 667
sta sub org \( frank \) subject xterm build problem solaris2 1 organization news server , , germany lines 22 distribution inet nntp posting host sta sub org dla se05 wg2 waii com \( doug acker \) writes continuing build problems , got stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input cursor util tabs screen scrollbar button misc data menu o2 r usr wgep x11r5 sos5 lib ld run path ld run path l lib xaw
jmd cbnewsm cb att com \( joseph dakes \) subject flyers year 's biggest worst \( opinion \) organization distribution na keywords nhl , awards lines 67 article 1993apr15 cbnewsh cb att com , seth cbnewsh cb att com \( peter r clark jr \) writes words , roussel shuts sharks soderstrom shuts penguins , 's immaterial coaches decision \? come , joe , think 're saying ! played significant played 's irrelevent low gaa good teams better low gaa bad teams context comparing two goaltenders low gaa better higher gaa low gaa good teams much , much better higher gaa bad teams context comparing two goaltenders let 's start i'm arguing better goaltender 'd take soderstrom right saying roussel 1 gaa difference less half goal per game \( less last night \) , save percentages close , records similar , n't see label roussel disappointing player flyers season say soderstrom played better competition may well , way knowing roussel would performed games besides , better scoring teams like pittsburgh , defense keyed san jose roussel ranger game two real scoring chances , one made great play , saved mistake player judging roussel game alone , little go i'm judging roussel game alone 've seen play past two seasons philly hershey 's opinion , think 's got takes course , thought mark , never wendell young i'm batting 500 judging hershey talent since hextall era rangers game , say saved mistake offensive player like leg position make save n't , would n't rangers player n't get puck would goal breakaway 's goalie wants , take away much possible force shooter beat look 0 0 tie habs , saw goalie stand head get shutout 1 goalie action roussel n't game like seem remember roussel excellent job opening night give flyers tie two time defending champs take anything away soderstrom game agains habs ca n't tell montreal player open net shoot point game flat missed mistakes , offense defense part game 'd never shutouts anyway , i'm happy flyers soderstrom roussel i'm going argue anymore besides , current 7 game winning streak expectations soaring next year , n't want piss point n't sell tickets next season \) joe dakes microelectronics 555 union boulevard , pa let's go flyers ! ! jmd jmd att com
subject lexan polish \? jeff mri com \( jonathan jefferies \) expires sun , 8 aug 1993 07 00 00 gmt organization research , santa clara , california , usa keywords lexan , plastic summary scratches plastic lines 27 article ns1 nodak edu wilken plains nodak edu \( scott wilken \) writes couple years ago replaced stock windscreen interceptor higher one national cycle thing happens made lexan anyone recommend polish use safe lexan \? starting show scratches , id like polish go fast ! internet wilken plains nodak edu ama take chances ! uucp ! uunet ! plains ! wilken dod interceptor bitnet wilken plains suggest 1 plastic polish help somewhat nothing remove deep scratches without making worse already something fine light stuff also suggest calling local plastic shop calif tap plastic chain carries needed repair sometimes replacement plastic bits telephone bay area 415 962 i'm sure amenable shipping found several excellent products cleaning , removing crap face shields also one called lift works real well removing sticky plastic scratching luck , jonathan jefferies , jeff mri com
cs und nodak edu \( chuck \) subject athena widgets organization university north dakota grand forks , nd lines 5 nntp posting host cas und nodak edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 find athena widgets needed 2 4 8 thanks advance
morgan ucs mun ca \( thomas clancy \) subject thrush \( \( good grief ! \( candida albicans \? \) \) \) organization memorial university newfoundland lines 55 dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) writes article ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu \( mccurdy \) writes dyer beyond rude 'll drink yeah , yeah , yeah n't threaten rip lips , \? snort always people blinded knowledge anything n't already established given medical community n't know , i'm surprised outlook duh nice see steve still high almighty intellectual prowess tact record , several outbreaks thrush several past years , indication nutritional deficiencies taken listen thrush recognized clinical syndrome definite characteristics thrush , thrush , see lesions culture treat , generally responds well , 're otherwise noring 's anal retentive fungal infection sinuses even category , walking convinced candida reading quack book yawn dentist \( sees fair amount thrush \) recommended acidophilous began taking acidophilous daily basis , outbreaks ceased quit taking acidophilous , outbreaks periodically resumed resumed taking acidophilous outbreaks since \? exactly question , steve 's point \? person one , n't steve dyer nice see things never change , steve , n't ignorant one group alternative 're another one positive thing came , longer bothering folks alternative , 's shame people suffer others may breath freely sorry wasting bandwidth folks n't forget bow every second day , offer first born omniscient , omnipotent , mr steve
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject genocide caused atheism organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 42 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \( n mozumder \) writes saddam believed god , would pray five times day communism , hand , actually committed genocide name atheism , lenin stalin said two die hard atheist \( look ! pun ! \) believed atheism integral part communism , bobby stalin killed millions name socialism atheism characteristic lenin stalin version socialism , nothing another characteristic lenin stalin socialism food distribution would therefore say stalin lenin killed millions name rationing bread \? course horrible deaths resulted atheism anything else earlier posts stated true \( muslim \) believers incapable evil suppose believe , could reason one ever killed name religion perfect world live , bobby one reasons atheist limit god giving god form god face bobby referring rather obscure law good atheist 's handbook law 3 give believe face must excuse us , bobby argue theism , usually argue christian idea god realm christianity , man created god 's image kevin marshall sophomore , computer science virginia tech , blacksburg , va usa marshall csugrad cs vt edu
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject candidate nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 32 smith harvard edu \( steven smith \) writes cosc brocku ca \( brian ross \) writes world future , bill clinton appoint canadians govern american institutions \( starting american health care system \) benevolent canadian dictators yet another tax floated clinton administration pay new social programs , 've really begun suspect canadians , long resentful place american shadow , brainwashed american draft dodger fled canada time 1966 1968 , ways canadian socialism , awarded smokeless marijuana cigarettes got correct answers , returned states \( control wife assigned case \) attain high public office destroy evil free market forces america , thus shaping america canadian image , made second clone tissue sample said wife , run helm pro business party guise free trade inhale , many times , boot \( \( \( gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
kens lsid hp com \( ken snyder \) subject buy 750 \? article hpscit organization hewlett packard santa clara site lines 47 nntp posting host lsid hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 10 mark n \( cs rit edu \) wrote market bike recently found 1990 honda 750 dealership bike 47 , 000 miles around 4500 two previous owners , employees dealership , told , took good care bike two questions 1 \) many miles bike \? know would many miles car unfamiliar life span bikes 2 \) decent price \? also prices used bikes blue book bikes like cars \? thanks advice give mark mark , many miles vfr750 sold \( well maintained \) '87 miles engine mint condition bike needed steering head bearings fork bushings seals guy bought mechanic pull valve covers look top end , compression check etc confirmed mint price , 4500 seems little steep bought '90 12k miles year ago \( absolutely cherry condition \) 4800 , ask bank credit union going price 've seen couple ads vfr 's 4500 dollar range said low miles mint condition n't actually go look vfr sweet bike last forever maintain one thing look , btw , soft front end vfr indication , 12k miles fork springs totally shot progressive springs \( 55 \) fixed right good luck , k e n ken snyder ms loc 330 hewlett packard co lsid lake stevens instrument div 8600 soper hill road gte tn \( 206 \) 335 2253 335 2253 everett , wa 1298 un ix kens lsid hp com
irwin cmptrc lonestar org \( irwin arnstein \) subject recommendation duc summary 's worth \? distribution usa expires sat , 1 may 1993 05 00 00 gmt organization computrac inc , richardson tx keywords ducati , gts , much \? lines 13 line ducati 1978 model clock runs well , paint bronze brown orange faded , leaks bit oil pops 1st hard accel shop fix trans oil leak sold bike 1 owner want , thinking like 3k opinions \? please email thanks would nice stable mate beemer 'll get jap bike call axis motors ! tuba \( irwin \) honk therefore computrac richardson , tx irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod 0826 \( r75 6 \)
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 97 article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes agree deserved trial 40 days come get trial chose keep children stay inside chose stay inside even tear gassed find actions rational even noriega smart enough give go trial deserved mr roby , government sucking heartless bastard unworthy comment apparently true opinion , , course , opinion truth see \) humans died yesterday , humans would died fbi taken actions undeniable truth cried would died come hands empty undeniable truth , possible fbi planned happen , gunfire heard fbi keeping folks inside i'm proposing way went , point 's undeniable walked yesterday , would alive today believe wish undeniable , however , people left compound unharmed alive standoff since leader preaching would apocalypse , say would n't mass suicide fbi simply stayed outside waited another 51 days heart bleeds much children never released given 51 days ample opportunities heart also bleeds people blinded religious devotion common sense leave compound tanks came started dropping tear gas early morning heart bleeds one bleeding heart i'm sure beyond possible doubt feel people say heartless things said heartless bleeding heart \? making sense seem concern someone would keep children inside compound 51 days let sounds pretty heartless heard news survivors regret n't stayed inferno prove loyalty koresh makes sad sick seem say got deserved think however , set fire \( started one place spread quickly \) , got wanted put motion got wanted kind creature believe \? ever heard jonestown \? sad thing people inside compound authority worshipers authority koresh howell people able think , would likely lot survivors today koresh preached fiery apocalypse early last year see batf going investigated justice dept likely arlen spectre congress good bungled affair start agree lets god , fbi , investigated , means , fbi investigated , btw , thought second ammendment god \) jim jmd handheld com
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject dayton hamfest organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine distribution usa lines 33 yes , take interstate 70 route 48 exit go south 48 2 1 2 miles right springs road arena , 1 mile west north side road parking arena limited probably entirely booked within 40 mile radius good luck 48 x \( mall \) springs possible park mall west shuttle busses running arena mall possible , get montgomery county , oh map local aaa office free aaa member n't already definite plans , particularly good time start think going bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
cdm pmafire inel gov \( dale cook \) subject tax evasion considered unpatriotic \? organization winco lines 32 article newsserver technet sg ipser solomon technet sg \( ed ipser \) writes article 1993mar31 pmafire inel gov cdm pmafire inel gov \( dale cook \) writes article s1 gov lip s1 gov \( loren petrich \) writes title self explanatory isaac asimov pointed curious fact well , since tax evasion illegal , one generally would bother consider whether unpatriotic often one think murder unpatriotic \? perhaps appropriate question would tax avoidance considered unpatriotic \? answer simple tax avoidance simply defined paying minimum tax legally obligated pay deeper reason taxes , nature , un american one need look birth history us see fact n't beef english taxation without representation , taxation \? admittedly dim recollection us history , problems americans taxes unfair unjust taxation schemes , taxes 's pretty hard run government without means support dale cook town churches bars serious social problem edward abbey opinions mine \( e , employer 's \)
markm bigfoot sps mot com \( mark monninger \) subject auto air conditioning without freon nntp posting host 223 250 10 7 reply rapw20 email sps mot com organization sps distribution usa lines 20 article 1993apr15 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes several chemists already come several substitutes r12 n't hear mobile air conditioning society \( macs \) , , people stand rake 300 1000 per retrofit per automobile , mounted organized campaign squash r12 substitutes existence ban altogether \( shaky technical grounds , best , outright lies worst \) , i'm saying 're wrong know r 12 substitutes exist , sounds lot like carbs oil companies keep us getting mark
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 61 article c5k5lc cyf murdoch acc virginia edu , lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower 10 percent figure part conventional wisdom since published kinsey report 1 \) \? homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation also lie 10 keep politicians scared 2 \) interesting see reaction 2 5million queers gather washington dc 6million us event unprecidented history many people marching n't homosexuals , members leftist agenda article also contains numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well compared table already posted masters , johnson , kolodny showing male homosexual partners , apparent homosexual men dramatically promiscuous general male population study show number sexual contacts said homosexual \? number n't published 's shame n't breakdown straight men vs gay bi men would show even dramatically much promiscuous gay bi men fuck typical response clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
ch \( markus \) subject characterization organization \( \) switzerland lines 23 hi , right characterization n't special equipment task , job simple \( frequency sweeper , dso , etc \) anyone know good test circuitry characterization \? especially measuring open loop gain , phase margin , , books application notes subject available \? please reply vi e mail nn thanks mark mark e mail ch
kiria kiria georgia su subject help reply kiria georgia su organization kiria keywords information echo lines 9 help ! maybe anybody know names conferences please help find information next keywords cardiology subjects 2 years leave sorry bad english ! adress kiria georgia su
auburn edu subject tv reception ! ! ! lines 18 nntp posting host organization auburn university , al lines 18 hello , canceled support cable regime would like least pick 3 networks nbc \) tons money even pounds looking best solution reception 100 dollars seen modules plug wall outlet supposedly make entire house antenna admit , even limited knowledge wavelength aerial reception , seems dubious claims excellent reception best 'll try anything , though , works non mountainous area , approximately 50 miles transmitting stations pretty large \( montgomery alabama pop 200 , 000 \) , pop 100 , 000 recommendations products , brand names , prices company info \( catalog ordering numbers , addresses etc \) \? thank advance paul sylvester auburn edu voice 205 887
subject camera system sale joltes husc10 harvard edu \( richard joltes \) distribution usa organization harvard university science center nntp posting host husc10 harvard edu lines 24 posted friend n't net access send replies , 'll office next week , n't expect response least 4 27 ! sale camera system includes 139 quartz slr body 50mm f1 7 \( ! \) lens f2 8 lens medium sized hard case items exceptional condition asking price 175 items listed seller attempting sell lot set , negotiate dick joltes joltes husc harvard edu hardware networking manager , computer services joltes husc bitnet harvard university science center woman become extremely attracted immediately tell 're best friend woman could ever david
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject jewish baseball players \? originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 16 article 1993apr16 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes book find sale catalogues occasionally called jewish baseball stars , baseball peter compiled pretty definitive list jewish ballplayers bigs wish n't sold copy jewish baseball stars 's short shelf \( e , one top toilet tank \) special writing books astonishingly awful every sportswriting cliche taken nth degree mangled 's funny author , think roger
atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) subject question bee bothering organization national association disorganized lines 29 wquinnan sdcc13 ucsd edu \( malcusco \) writes problem science often allows us assume know best god endowed us ability produce life sexual relations , example , make availible everyone mean science ride god 's decision alterations , god wills us power decide able children \? men allowed babies , made possible word , yes n't believe physical knowledge great deal impact power god past , god gave us ability create life sexual relations , giving us ability create life vitro fertilization difference two merely cosmetic , even gain ability create universes wo n't begin approach glory god power given test , sure many cases use new abilities , people using sexuality millenia n't heard outcry abolish yet ! matter far extend dominion physical world , n't god 's power 's attempt gain control spiritual world , things ca n't approached science logic , begin interfere god alan terlep scorpion says , 'it 's oakland university , rochester , mi nature ' atterlep vela acs oakland edu
rdetweil boi hp com \( richard detweiler \) subject torre worst manager \? organization hewlett packard boise printer division lines 75 another distressed still wondering things cardinal fan article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu \( brian r landmann \) writes joe torre worst manager baseball 's greatest true anyone n't see sunday 's game , saw right hander pitching decides bench lankform , left handed hitter play jordan gilkey , right handers lankford hurt , although announcer said told torre could pinch hit needed later , ninth inning bases loaded two outs puts lankford , 300 hitter power pinch runner uses luis alicea , 250 hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking wondered thing giving joe benefit doubt , 'd say thinking lankford hurt enough n't trust ability bat effectively wants speed bases pinch run alicea completely confused maybe good record hitting particular pitcher \? n't know anybody got idea \? earlier game interview acquiring mark whiten commented fortunate cardinals get whiten whiten would regular even though meant gilkey would hurt , torre said liked gilkey coming bench gilkey hit 300 last year , start , guy would starting every team league well , far n't seen much say whiten n't playing bad gilkey odd man play jordan ahead n't quite understand furthermore , sundays game lankford thrown plate , replay showed bucky dent third base coach looking line waving lankford home , yup , looked replay i'm joe torre , i'm going talk bucky game one 's got lankford third todd zeile believe hot hitter coming 's reason risk giving lankford go sign situation unless sure ball going stands 's job watch play develop known larkin back bad throw seemed inexcusable book btw , saw dent thing last year zeile rounding third going sure home critical situation replay , 's dent waving around looks like might serious problem card 's n't good base runners last year wonder much fault lies base coaching ca n't take anymore well , i'm still hanging go redbirds ! ! woof , woof ! ! ! brian , distressed cardinal fan brian landmann georgia institute technology internet gt7469a prism gatech edu dick detweiler rdetweil hpdmd48 boi hp com
distribution world hyerstay adrenaline com \( jason hyerstay \) organization adrenaline online , \( 802 \) 425 2332 , firstclass bbs subject mac oriented bbss chicago lines 28 member local bbs frequent looking mac oriented bbss based chicago leads would appreciated list firstclass systems illinois chicago machine chicago , il \( 312 \) 233 insane domain chicago , il \( 312 \) 274 mac universe bbs chicago , il \( 312 \) 235 net , il \( 815 \) 968 , il \( 708 \) 251 vernon hills , il \( 708 \) 918 1231 anyone wants numbers firstclass systems , would glad post complete list jason hyerstay adrenaline admin adrenaline online \( firstclass \) \( 802 \) 425 2332 , vt free access ! ! 16 8k hst dual fidonet usenet 120 conferences megs files dedicated mac users , , civil libertarians
jacquier uchicago edu \( eric jacquier \) subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? organization university chicago computing organizations lines 19 hello , interested trying \( \? \) method hay fever state affairs went doctor paid 85 10 minute interview 3 scratches , leading diagnostic allergic \( june timothy \) grass believe looks like 2 shots per week 6 months followed 1 shot per month shot costs 20 talking soaring costs health care system , would call racket talking rare , garbage grows behind doctor 's office apart issue , somewhat disappointed find keep getting shots forever right \? thanks information ej
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject moonbase race organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 22 reply sysmgr king eng umd edu nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article 1993apr21 iti org , aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) writes article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes much would cost private venture , assuming could talk u government leasing couple pads florida \? would want \? goal cheaper \( remember , n't government \) instead leasing expensive launch pad , use ssto launch much cheaper facility allen , sometimes think 're ok sometimes tend leap making statement without thinking wanna guess today \? 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff know private titan pad \? software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject morality \? \( political atheists \? \) organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 13 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) writes , saying n't possible instinctive act moral one \? , order act act morality , person must consider immoral action disregard \? , i'm saying order act moral immoral , somebody someone something must consider implies intelligence , instinct consider \? action \? i'm still sure know trying say keith
hull cs jhu edu \( ! \) subject america 's team \? organization creative dept , 's house underwear lines 23 kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes well , officially 's braves least started winning still , officially \? , \? receive label \? understanding ted turner \( owner braves \) started running tv station nationwide , started running team 's games nationwide tv station , team 's , team \( least , time \) whose games could seen across america , wor nationwide beautiful , mets games wor wgn chicago boston two \( least , east coast \) n't know many cubs sox sox games show cs jhu edu 'll i'm dead al yankovic get , laid back attitude sonny bird josh ,
anomaly sbs com \( rev michael p \) subject organization small business systems , incorporated , , ri lines 9 sw radio sale worked last time tried make offer md michael p sex hereditary domain mpd anomaly sbs com parents never , chances tnet 1 401 273 wo n't either telebit 1 401 455
lbr holos0 uucp \( len reed \) subject players rushed majors organization holos software , inc lines 15 article tss com hanson tss com \( hanson \) writes n't bob horner go straight arizona state univ atlanta braves \? remember one great month hitting next heard japan month \? well , short career compared one might expected highly touted prospect due injury prone , overweight , work ethic certainly suffer rushed bigs len reed holos software , inc voice \( 404 \) 496 ext 16 domain lbr holos atl ga usa uucp lbr holos0 uucp
howland reston ans net ! europa eng gtefsd com ! fs7 ece cmu edu ! news sei cmu edu ! dpw subject periodic post charley challenges , 3 , additions dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) organization software engineering institute lines 250 new version challenge 5 , plus addendum summarizing charley 's responses date posting made periodically attempt encourage charley wingate address direct challenges evidently specious claims 'll continue post periodically answers , publicly indicates wo n't answer , stops posting alt atheism , alt atheism community tells stop , get totally bored apologize somewhat juvenile nature approach , i'm loss figure another way crack intransigence seeming intellectual dishonesty post 3 charley , ca n't help notice still failed provide answers substantive questions raised response previous posts submit n't answer cannot answer without running logic , challenge prove wrong make task easy possible , 'll present concise statements questions failed answer , hope may address one time see fail answer within reasonable time period , post article , suitable additions deletions , time notice post another topic repeat procedure either address outstanding challenges cease post newsgroup would like apologize advance answered questions previously answer missed notice kind enough post e mail articles , pleased publicly rescind challenge question , remove list , questions 1 claiming atheists fit neat psychological patterns proposed , semi claim stating n't referring atheists , asked name atheists feel n't fit patterns , show indeed referring atheists aware failed please question name posters fit stereotype \? context question true everyone board , line assuming , however , deleted text along said n't mean imply everybody 's experience along lines whether mean make implications , repeatedly allow approach issue another viewpoint name atheists 've come across fit patterns \? 2 taken statements effect senses reason go , pressed , implied alternative called revelation repeatedly asked explain revelation one experience interpret revelation without via senses reason failed please question explain revelation one experience interpret without using senses inherent reasoning \? context question revelation reason , revelation , reasoning first , show revelation exists second , revelation perceived senses , exactly perceived \? according webster 's , revelation act revealing communicating divine truth , tell thing revealed communicated via senses \? tell interpret revelation reason , , using brain interpret sensing say way human interface universe via senses interpreted reason \( brain \) , simple truth another mechanism interface , means , share us later cannot escape fact entire interface universe senses reason , period , , simple truth challenge show otherwise later mystics agree assertion , common defense senses absorb \( instance \) mystical experiences begs question whether senses better others allow broadest definition senses , make things easier , show mystical experiences exist remember , n't allowed go testimony others \( e g , mystics \) , since dismissed testimony unreliable know , tainted bias , mystical absorbed , show evidence human recognize respond short interpretation via person 's reasoning capabilities challenge show things cannot , might well give fight later let reiterate , explained interpretation experiences , possible attacked point fact , specifically challenged explain revelation stuff talking , note record appear declined challenge \? sensed \? interpreted \? sensing interpretation occur without conduit senses reasoning abilities \? answered none questions go straight heart claims ca n't answer , claims entirely specious 3 stated claims analysis made posters unverifiable asked identify one claim made failed please question made claims unverifiable \? , please repeat context question must thank david wood sensitive intelligent \( wrong \) \) posting later likewise , reference unverifiable , claims represents fairly accurately reaction claims analysis repeated group give address 'll pleased send dictionary failing , name one claim made sense unverifiable \? demand retract statement cannot offer evidence follow usual pattern ignoring challenge , simply asshole 4 first dismissed claims atheists became atheists result reason , later stated one accepted axioms reason one could n't help become atheist asked explain contradiction response statement question incoherent , opinion shared others asked , atheist theist failed answer question please question retract claim posters become atheists result reason , despite testimony effect \? n't retract claim , retract subsequent claim acceptance axioms reason inevitably result atheism \? context question first quote bunch people claim position based reason atheists prove , second quote see one accept axioms end atheistic point view 5 first , claimed would \( probably \) answer challenges contained much way included text previous posts later , implied would n't respond putting words mouth please clarify seeming contradiction question prefer respond challenges include context posts , paraphrase positions order avoid included text \? context question first said ordinary rules n't read articles 150 lines articles nothing included text first screen rules morality , practicality later someone going argue version position , cannot argued usual , responses awaited anticipation dave wood p , record , compilation charley 's responses challenges date 3 18 93 makes sense gives appearance either utter , answering question mr wood 's imagination 3 31 93 \( 1 \) mr wood , subscribe opinion gauntlet thrown net requires response whatsoever point might read respond article , , might ordinary rules n't read articles 150 lines articles nothing included text first screen rules morality , practicality 3 31 93 \( 2 \) left something else n't respond utmost list things avoid arguments arguments \( meta arguments , call \) 4 3 93 start saying 's said , response ! , 's reason continue someone going argue version position , cannot argued
stovall ficus cs ucla edu \( steven stovall \) subject rebuilding temple \( anybody \? \) organization ucla , computer science department lines 25 b1 ingr com \( todd stevens \) writes chuck petch writes appears nothing stands way rebuilding resuming sacrifices , scriptures indicate happen last days although israeli government give permission start , think hand god holding project ready let happen brothers sisters , time hand redemption drawing near look ! scriptural levitical priesthood resumed \? jews legitimately prove \? mistaken , jewish family names cohen , kahn , etc considered legitimate indicators descent aaron family names levi , , etc considered legitimate indicators descent levi main legal issue purification priesthood , supposed involve finding ashes red last used purpose 2000 years ago steven stovall stovall cs ucla edu \( 310 \) 825
philly ravel udel edu \( robert c hite \) subject old predictions laugh nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware lines 24 article 1993apr15 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes oops ! came across file last year thought might enjoy thoughts predictions made date indicated largely order much crap deleted 3 managers fired year \( 1992 \) chronological order fregosi , showalter , valentine , three went , right \? showalter still around \( likely stick , seems \) dead wrong ! last time checked , jim fregosi still managing phillies , quite fine job thank best record baseball 8 1 prediction 1993 jim fregosi win manager year nl \( n't flame flame bum thinks got fired last year pay attention ! \)
gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) subject give 1 billion first year long moon residents \? organization macinteresteds nashville , tn lines 12 continuin talk end space age complaints government large cost , try something read might work announce reward 1 billion would go first corporation successfully keeps least 1 person alive moon year 'd see inexpensive popular technologies begin developed 'd different kind space race ! gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) theporch raider net 615 297 7951 macinteresteds nashville
iastate edu \( dan \) subject brewer notes organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 26 music lib edu music lib edu writes know bernie brewer , 's back team , , given walking papers years ago , fans voted back last season familiar home outfield slide barrel beer home runs hit great hear may take trip year see last time saw bernie brewer age 10 21 thanks post one final note , bill leading brewers 13 rbi 's exhibition play looks like 's bouncing back nicely back problems good bill getting better form limited coverage get iowa know great season brew crew ! ! pete , computer operator leadership action office information technology position milwaukee area technical college h email music lib edu \( internet \) pete z1 fidonet org
mrl pfc mit edu \( mark london \) subject corneal erosion organization mit plasma fusion center lines 11 nntp posting host pfc mit edu several years dealing corneal erosion seem much known cause problem current episode pretty bad since located middle cornea 's bad enough , usual treatment puncture therapy however , doctor time trying let heal putting contact lens protect area apparently problem common , 'd curious anyone else similar problem , perhaps see cause found mark london mrl pfc mit edu
hertz njit edu \( ken nakata cis \) subject help simms keywords simm questions answers organization new jersey institute technology , newark , n j lines 53 nntp posting host hertz njit edu article austin ibm com guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) writes article lhdsy1 lahabra chevron com , lhdsy1 lahabra chevron com \( james c \) writes article 1993apr12 unl pt diana unl pt \( fernando \( mei 1 \) \) writes spectre \( spectre nmt edu \) wrote look magazine ad says deleted exactly numbers mean \? \( e mb , ns \) numbers 60 , 70 80 refers nanoseconds could someone explain exactly numbers means \? \( time spent processor 's request answer retrieved \( case reading \) \? \) means time required memory refresh , e 60 needs 60ns ready read nope ! 's time taken read data memory 's read time memory still refreshed whole phase called cycle , cycle time twice access time i'm sorry i'm misunderstanding post , dram refreshed access cycle cycle time twice access time refresh phase access time usually means delay time falling edge raw address strobe \( ras \) data bus driven dram access cycle timing chart roughly shown following \( signals intentionally omitted \) addr ra ca ra ca ra raw address , ca column address ras high , low , floating cas driven either h l data valid valid cycle time access time \( ras access time \) yes , cycle time twice access time refresh phase refresh done either trailing phase normal access cycle individual cycle stuff deleted ken nakata apologize incorrect , rude , impolite expressions mail post intended please consider english second language n't full understanding certain words phrase thank ken nakata , cis student , njit
kai h postoffice utas edu au \( kai \) subject ray tracer ms dos \? organization university tasmania lines 33 article srvr1 engin umich edu , tdawson llullaillaco engin umich edu \( chris herringshaw \) wrote sorry repeat request , anyone know good free shareware program create ray traces save bit mapped files \? \( course thing \) thanks advance daemon v v persistance vision raytracer p p v v p p v v v v p v v p v v p v available archie wuarchive graphics type directories ps 's freeware kai kai h postoffice utas edu au 35 ave new town tas ph within australia 002 286 110 elsewhere 61 02 286 110
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject quality control medicine organization university pittsburgh lines 20 article 93108 uicvm uic edu u19250 uicvm uic edu writes anybody know information regarding total quality management , quality control , quality assurance delivery health care service would appreciate information enough interest , post responses fact hot topic medicine days , much medical literature devoted heavily funded studies days outcome research , physicians \( others ! \) constantly whether truly effective given situation qa activities routine part every hospital 's administrative function required agencies even entire publications devoted qa issues kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 17 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article 1993apr22 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes poster treated liscenced physician disease exist calling physician quack reprehensible steve see others well believe quacks exist \? quack diagnoses \? licensed physician enough guarantee someone quack , even licensed physician quack , people n't say \? give example commonly diagnosed ailment think quack diagnosis , gotten point civilization longer need worry unscrupulous healers taking advantage people david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
thorn wam umd edu \( \) subject q dings paint hood \( nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization workstations maryland , university maryland , college park distribution usa lines 21 hello , 92 toyota 4x4 last weeks getting quite dings \( paint hood rocks debris road never major problems car trucks past \( maybe ding \) went dealer said happens time putting bug hood said trucks , unknown reason , seem problem cars \? seems either luck really bad might problem paint \( painted monday morning perhaps \? \) well bug work small road debris trucks \? anyone experiences suggestions please let know , thanks greg thorn wam umd edu
sony co jp \( \) subject need info font cartridge hp laserjet ii reply sony co jp organization display products group , sony corporation , tokyo , japan lines 11 nntp posting host 43 2 19 6 looking good add font cartridge hp laserjet ii found pc magazine article iq pacific data products well known maker cartridge hp laserjet series could n't find model name products suggestions please thanks advance , sony corporation technology center
orion oac uci edu \( wayne chen \) subject disappointed la cie article news organization uc irvine lines 12 nntp posting host slip nts uci edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 x xxmessage id slip nts uci edu x xxdate tue , 6 apr 93 05 35 36 gmt article 1993apr5 umiami ir miami edu , f2ehg786 umiami ir miami edu writes seems reconditioned hardware sold reconditioned discounted price , replacements new hardware gone bad \( still covered 90 day warranty \) new well , sounds like need kind lemon law hardware industry sound unfair someone paid price new drive reconditioned one guys think \?
walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) subject age consent child molestation organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 20 article queernet org , queernet org \( roger b \) article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes nambla 's presence sf gay pride parade says quite bit says either parade organizers want show support nambla , fundamental misunderstanding rights responsibilities would really , really like believe latter , would need help dozens examples latter nambla especially glaring one , hardly one perhaps , though exclusion gay sf gay pride parade would make think clue regard dozens examples \? n't know mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh amateur radio km6xu wx3k aol bigcookie aol com uscf l10861 , worry \? william gaines , 1922 1992 i'm gonna crush ! andre giant , 1946 1993
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject adcom cheap products \? organization megatest corporation lines 30 article 1993apr16 hippo ru ac za webb itu1 \( 90 webber ah \) writes stuff deleted also sceptical amps built far east ever look amp see components use designed , easily see amplifiers sound brilliant good point also , would n't surprised components use shore inferior quality long properly designed robust , premium components used , n't matter assembled cannot see people say amplifier wo n't last quality components inside sure amp runs fairly hot 's get amp sound incredibly good amp runs hot bearing 's gonna sound amp probably running class whole day actually , 'd wary excessively hot amps , even though components inside may rated run way , excessive heat dramatically shorten life electronic component regardless quality fact , amp run hot touch either engineer manufacturer amp wanted cooling save costs ! hmmmmm aaron
libwca emory edu \( bill anderson \) subject abolish selective service organization emory university , atlanta , ga lines 29 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 william fractl tn cornell edu writes article 1993apr15 m5 harvard edu , borden head cfa harvard edu \( dave borden \) writes selective service registration abolished start , draft immoral whether agree , n't one , military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally , government us many lists many computers \( irs , social security admistration motor vehicle registries name \) find us needs maintaining yet another list people utter waste money time let 's axe whole department , reduce deficit little bit dave borden borden m5 harvard edu selfish little bastard afraid might sacrafice somthing country someone approve lone \? bad immoral people like current president n't idea country still exists 200 years country still exists 200 years people forced government fight foreign wars \? n't think bill
steveg cadkey com \( steve gallichio \) subject wc 93 results , april 18 organization cadkey , inc lines 19 nntp posting host access digex net gerald olchowy \( golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \) writes podein interesting case eligible play cape breton ahl playoffs like kovalev , zubov , andersson obviously sather pocklington total everyone makes certainly case 've massively paramount new york rangers policy regarding players minor league playoffs versus wc \? know rangers holding back kovalev , zubov , andersson binghamton , also know whalers wanted michael nylander play springfield , nylander wanted play sweden whalers allowed nhl decide , nhl chose wcs differ rangers oilers \? whalers go league , could forced nylander play springfield \? sg
wayne uva386 schools virginia edu \( tony wayne \) subject pink noise organization virginia 's public education network \( charlottesville \) lines 4 pink noise used sound experiments \? tony wayne uva386 schools virginia edu
kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) subject r battery month club organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines 9 nntp posting host grissom larc nasa gov article jade tufts edu jade tufts edu \( jason \) writes talked friend works radio shack , said deal red batteries much lead red batteries life cycle shorter , think epa worried batteries dumped pardon , would carbon zinc cells lead scott
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject \? organization case western reserve university lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article dr pepper east sun com geoff east sun com \( geoff arnold sun bos r h coast near top \) writes posting provoked checking save file memorable posts first captured ken arromdee 19 feb 1990 , subject atheist \? article 473 question article , average 48 articles day last three years others noted , current posting rate kill file depressing large among posting saved early days articles following hey , might interesting read posts especially ones still regularly posts alt atheism ! loren sunlight llnl gov \( loren petrich \) nazareth israel rel \( jesus christ nazareth \) mrc tomobiki cho cac washington edu \( mark crispin \) perry apollo hp com \( jim perry \) lippard ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) minsky media mit edu \( marvin minsky \) interesting bunch wonder 2 \? hee hee hee ai n't going say whatever promises made broken john laws , man without honor keep given word
tpeng umich edu \( timothy richard peng \) subject duo 230 crashes aftersleep \( looks like apple bug ! \) organization university michigan ann arbor lines 7 reply tpeng umich edu nntp posting host ccs itd umich edu originator tpeng ccs itd umich edu memory card installed 's one apple 's , may problem couple months release duo , memory manufacturers shipping duo memory cards w improper \( non self refreshing \) chips third party card , pull see sleep problem tim
ur msstate edu subject mo sanford article ra 1993apr6 reply ur msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 6 nntp posting host ur msstate edu article 1993apr3 ra msstate edu js1 jazz cc msstate edu \( jiann ming su \) writes know mo sanford , rockies pitcher , got cut \? use reds , drafted expansion draft believe sent aaa
cyberman toz buffalo ny us \( cyberman \) subject crt driver transistors lines 28 x maildoor waflinemail 1 00r device ic \( \) 50 v \( br \) ceo \( v \) 70 \( pf \) 2 5 v \( br \) cbo \( v \) 120 vce \( v \) 15 ic \( \) max 300 polarity hfe min 20 package 79 04 hfe max 60 material metal ft \( ghz \) 1 price \( 100 \) device ic \( \) 60 v \( br \) ceo \( v \) 65 \( pf \) 1 5 v \( br \) cbo \( v \) 80 vce \( v \) 10 ic \( \) max 300 polarity hfe min 15 package 79 04 hfe max 60 material metal ft \( ghz \) 1 5 price \( 100 \) vce \( v \) 10 anyone know source parts \( straight \) \? need 4 's 2 've tried standard said ! stephen cyberman toz buffalo ny us mangled fri 04 16 1993 13 50 28 's one thing ca n't stand , 's intolerance blue wave qwk v2 12
paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) subject dick nntp posting host koufax cv hp com organization lady stand triple lines 13 anyone know dick radio reader npr one lefty pitched briefly '64 '65 \? curious paul , spending much time reading baseball encyclopedia stretch farm animal beyond natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard \( 503 \) 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis , 97330 \( 503 \) 752 8424 sabr member since 1979
salestech com \( ray knight \) subject cview answers keywords stupid programming organization sales technologies , inc lines 19 nx10 mik uky edu \( bryan k williams \) writes majority users floppy well , us 1400 picture cd roms would like use cview fast works well , ca n't moron lacked foresight create temp file program 's path , current \? actually flexible way create temp files check temp tmp environment variable create files drive directory variable pretty much standard dos , windows os 2 applications say opinion bearing person organization including employer salestech com \( 404 \) 841 5316 sales technologies , inc
tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com \( tim evans \) subject royals reply tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com organization dupont engineering physics laboratory x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 lines 17 randall informix com \( randall rhea \) writes royals darkness void time play , shame descends upon land like cold front canada humiliation lived shall ever live utterly completely doomed , guess 're ok must old enough remember 's kc ! tim evans e du pont de co tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com experimental station \( 302 \) 695 p box a1 wilmington , delaware
cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com \( frank benson \) subject freeman organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu watch language asshole ! ! ! ! proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet ! bu edu ! alphalpha ! pro angmar ! cosmo
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject go hezbollah ! ! organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 33 article f7a eis calstate edu mafifi eis calstate edu \( marc afifi \) writes resistance fighters n't forget french resistance nazi occupying forces eventually succeeded driving hostile occupiers wwii time thought us invading normandy , constant , round clock bombing , fact germans fighting two fronts silly \) actions resistance movements , resistance movements defeat nazis diplomacy worked israel lebanese people tired occupied ! turning option see viable \( n't forget worked driving us \) israel repeatedly stated leave lebanese government shows prevent attacks israel , syrians agree leave lebanese tried diplomacy long , maybe 're capable getting rid syrians iranians occupy land closed , negotiated withdrawl syrian forces , israel would happy leave adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
ayari loria fr \( ayari iskander \) subject lemieux , , thoughts organization crin inria lorraine lines 16 think 93 best video game available course many things could done better , really appreciate names players real ones , matter lacks logos still playing since november leading different teams finals making scorers team compete top scoring yesterday title using toronto hartford \( 4 games two \) , played playoffs 7 games fashion \( 5 minutes period \) best scorer shooter gilmour \( 116 shots remember well \) iskander ayari email iskander ayari loria fr ou ayari loria fr
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 63 article magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes hand , draw lessons neighbors culturally similar , namely canadians n't think canada culturally similar united states england terms laws regarding individual rights , restrictions police searches , etc \( closely related crime \) canadian laws parallel england 's differ greatly united states fact , exhaustive , seven year study already done respective crime rates vancouver , british columbia seattle , washington cities roughly population , urban economy , geography crime decidedly different approaches gun control actually , roughly urban economy , extremely different ethnic composition seven year study , 388 homicides occurred seattle \( 11 3 per 100 , 000 \) vs 204 homicides vancouver \( 6 9 per 100 , 000 \) adjustment differences age sex among populations , relative risk victim homicide seattle , compared vancouver , found 1 63 however , account economic ethnic differences , difference disappears completely seattle 's minorities poor , vancouver 's middle upper class rates whites cities found , rate poor , seattle minorities almost three times great well minorities vancouver pattern seems one poverty race relations , one gun control authors report also investigated legally justifiable homicides \( self defense \) 32 homicides occurred seven year study , 11 committed police 21 cases civilians acting self defense gross distortion self defense mean killing attacker 21 cases civilians killing attacker self defence cases represent less 0 5 crimes prevented armed self defence every case cite , 200 cases self defence crime prevented attacker killed \( 0 5 , way , conservative possible figure , based national crime survey 's estimate 80 , 000 crimes prevented armed self defence year studies subject put figure 500 , 000 600 , 000 figures would imply less 0 08 sucessful self involve killing attacker \) , correctly , 4000 \( possibly many 25 , 000 \) cases civilians acting self defence , 21 resulted death attacker significant factor , comparison 592 homicides memory serves , homicides make approximately 1 violent crimes study considered , fair comparison would 40 250 homicides prevented 592 homicides clearly , study close accurate , since ignored cases self defence frank crary cu boulder
subject many europeans nhl unixg ubc ca \( william \) organization university british columbia , vancouver , b c , canada nntp posting host unixg ubc ca lines 6 long cherry student sfu \? \( bunker \? \) please , keep racist drivel net 're embarassment canadians everywhere bill
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject comet temporary orbit around jupiter \? organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes article kelvin jpl nasa gov baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) writes comet gehrels 3 , discovered 1977 , determined temporary jovian orbit 1970 1973 comet shoemaker levy 1993e may remain orbit around jupiter long enough allow galileo make closeup observations orbital trajectory comet shoemaker levy still determined positional uncertainties l 1993e \? comet shoemaker levy 1993e jovian orbit , comet still hanging around galileo arrives , i'm sure added list targets 'll two years earth based observations help narrow positions pieces comet probably wo n't much different done gaspra imaging \? galileo image came earth based radar ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos cynical never helps pasadena , ca 91109 correct situation causes aggravation instead
smedley ecst csuchico edu \( steven medley \) subject 72 pin simms , \? distribution usa organization california state university , chico lines 13 nntp posting host ecst csuchico edu looking 8 meg 72 pin simm centris 610 best place purchase one \( stock , shipping , warrenty \) , possible , phone numbers order one soon possible thanks , steven hope 's intelligent life somewhere space monty python 'cause 's bugger earth meaning life steven medley email smedley erasure ecst csuchico edu
renew blade stack urc tue nl \( rene walter \) subject cview answers organization stack , eindhoven university technology , netherlands lines 66 nntp posting host blade stack urc tue nl summary cview problems explained keywords stupid programming x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 kind soul mailed reply bugs cview since n't position post , asked post , leave name comes cview quite number bugs one mention perhaps annoying , dangerous far determine , temp files cview creates cview gives user control places temp files places current directory problem mention occurs \( far tell \) runs disk space temp files seems cview n't check properly situation cview decodes jpeg , seems write temp file pixel data 24 bit colour information , 8 bit displays , dithering , writing another file 8 bit colour information writing second file , also writes data colour card last chunk 8 bit data , data 8 bit file screen \( last operation fit screen feature , even feature enabled \) result process following 1 \) runs disk space writing first 24 bit file , ever see much data room , last bit data simply repeated cview never realizes disk filled disk writes reads n't performed 2 \) enough room 24 bit data , runs room 8 bit data , see almost picture dithering writes screen card however , finishes dithering data 8 bit file screen \( whatever reason \) one gets repetition last chunk data room disk guess , probably fairly accurate least general idea track think , although probably made errors details file etc way around course clear sufficient disk space temp files large jpeg 's \( bigger \) large \( 3 meg 1 meg \) largest needed excess 6 meg free disk space cview much serious bug trying display file floppy , change floppies cview temp file open floppy , cview certain circumstances write directory \( fat table \? ca n't remember \) removed floppy onto newly inserted floppy , thus new floppy serious , possibly way careful ! incredibly poor programming program hand , choosing files open files menu , cview insists disk reads every time one moves hi lighter square incredibly annoying could gets directory info really , much effort take sort directory listing \? much thanks originator article rene walter renew stack urc tue nl tears sorrow , hope tomorrow , world ever get better , ca n't live together n't wanna live strife , wanna live life deserve future good girls future
stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu \( kevin l stamber \) subject difficult get penguin tickets \? organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 27 article 1993apr18 magnus acs ohio state edu , dmoney magnus acs ohio state edu \( dean r money \) writes subject line says terribly difficult get tickets penguins games , especially playoffs \? would easy find scalpers outside selling tickets \? dean money dmoney magnus acs ohio state edu traditional experience tickets , playoffs otherwise , civic arena illegal nonetheless present outside arena best strategy , given n't mind missing anthem \( ok b e taylor decides come back ever \) \) wait 7 40 7 45 , game rolling scalpers point desperate sell reduce near face value get rid tickets playoffs little different good seats go early 's left 7 45 may material \( , e sections \) others add opinions well kevin l stamber purdue university penguins 6 devils 3 pens lead series 1 game none
apoylis inode com subject faq cyrix 486dlc \? reply apoylis inode com distribution world organization inode bbs , nyc 's best usenet access \( 212 679 \) lines 9 reply apoylis inode com faq cyrix 486dlc \? missed , could anyone please repost email \? thanks advance alexander , internet apoylis inode com fidonet 1 2603 106 blue wave qwk v2 12
zeus tamu edu \( , thomas j \) subject 86 chevy sprint organization texas university , academic computing services lines 51 distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article andrew cmu edu , andrew cmu edu writes 86 chevy sprint c 's odometer turned sensor light started blinking went dealer said maintenance light saying need change oxygen sensor said , changed every 30k , since bought car , n't know thing happened 30k 60k quoted 198 part 50 install part cost 30 outside , mechanic went could fix saying sensor placed deep engine parts suggested wait till malfunctions anything anyone owns chevy sprint , want know got oxygen sensors changed also , face problem fixing without dealer 's help also , results oxygen sensor malfunction help would greatly thanks owned sprint beginning sensor light comes every 30k let know 's time check light goes , take tell 's time work 4 hou pay 5 parts 100 labor \( ahh get labor \) currently sprint times took service , never say payment sheet anything replacement oxygen sensor heck oxygen sensor \? far know , never thing replaced car car like kitten , n't c \( mother nature \) \) might something , still never heard oxygen sensor major service job car \( besides getting tires replaced want call service job \) getting rotor , distributor gasket replaced done within past 2 months 30k good tune , let replace ever need , pay bill \( 125 \) go home n't worry car another 30k oh , remembered something little sensor light bothers , fuse box right turn signal lever dash , right side flip switch light go little light wo n't annoy ca n't find , look car manuel hope helped little good luck oxygen sensor \? thomas e mail address give army west point , zeus tamu edu graduates 'll win battle give handful texas , creator mot power ! 'll win war gen george patton
markm \( mark monninger \) subject bimmer vs beamer nntp posting host 223 250 10 8 reply markm \( mark monninger \) organization motorola sps , tempe , az distribution usa lines 8 although direct response referenced article , set record straight , beamers bmw motorcycles bmw cars bimmers please , let 's get terms straight actually , would argue true bimmer round tail light 2002 1600 mark
schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject food dehydrators nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az distribution usa lines 9 anybody one food dehydrators 've seeing late night tv recently \? wondering use forced air , heat , 's heat involved , anybody know temperature run \? wife would like one i'm inclined pay 100 00 box , fan heater seems able throw dehydrator together bucks heck , technology \? 1 , 000 years old \? john
trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) subject atheist 's views christianity \( accepting jeesus heart \) organization university nebraska omaha lines 66 norris athena mit edu writes certainly valid objection religion explanation nature fortunately convenience us believers , class questions never reduced away natural science example universe exist \? must \? ask also assume god namely , exists , existence question reversed , ca n't assume universe exists assume god exist \? must universe \? , time space world n't exist anything exist \? possible persons \( e g man \) come purely impersonal cosmos \? questions look real mysteries life creation world persons provide permanent indicator meaning life material world found outside world , source may one day man create life also create man , n't see happening lifetime , assert probable possibility , given scientists working hard decoding genetic code perhaps help cure disease genetic variation , though , must divine man 's existence \? say man animal , think presenting unprovable statement dogma , one requires kind faith taking hard line atheism , may stumbled religion far tell , man falls mammal catagory , something man \( say , soul \) , yet find evidence , man mammal \( babies born live , mother gives milk , 're warm blooded , etc \) mammals similar genetic construction \( particular , primates \) check talk origins write christianity phony shallow , hope 'll little research history varieties , perhaps reading paul johnson 's history christianity remarks , seems exposed certain types christian religion others even atheist enough faith man know movement 2000 years depth , animated enduring values well , , buddhism , , taoism , hinduism , judaism , , , islam fit bit logic quite nicely \) depth , enduring values , thus must true stephen atheist libertarian pro individuality pro responsibility jr jazz
world std com \( thomas n erickson \) subject teleuse , uim x , c organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 20 ctp com \( hubert chou \) writes anyone good ideas integrate c code elegantly teleuse , uim x interface architect generated code \? source would great , suggestions welcome alsys produced paper outlining use c teleuse get copy local sales rep call us \( 619 \) 457 2700 mentioned , straight forward using dialog language \( similar visual basic \) tom erickson alsys world std com 67 south bedford street burlington ,
ray netcom com \( ray fischer \) subject 68040 specs organization netcom san jose , california lines 43 wpi wpi edu \( lazer \) writes 'd appreciate greatly someone could e mail following \( know one , 's fine \) 1 \) specs 68040 \( esp compares pentium \) specs 68040 fill 500 page book highlights 32 bit address space w 32 bit data width 18 32 bit integer registers 8 80 bit floating point registers 8k capable caches , 4 way set typical 1 2 clocks integer instruction 5 clocks floating point multiply \( interesting aside 68040 multiply two 80 bit floating point numbers less time multiply two 32 bit integers \) 2 \) specs 68060 estimated cost , release date , etc multiple instruction figure 0 8 clocks per instruction typical \( guess \) motorola guys pretty bright , may less i'm interested speeds , systems run \( windows nt , risc , whatever \) , costs , bus info , register info technical info call motorola i'm typing hoping 68040 win yet another battle intel people i'm predicting 680x0 x86 lines reaching ends new experimental processors 64 bit data pathways schedule 8 32 instructions clock cycle sort trick ca n't really done cisc architectures finally saw details 586 pentium greatly impressed 've finally done work fpu get speed , otherwise 's going 2x speedup get 're using two integer units , larger caches , branch target buffer yes , know 're talking 100mhz processors big designing 100mhz board difficult really expensive priced memory chips lately \? ray fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth ray netcom com lies friedrich nietzsche
wizard teradyne com \( michael \) subject source carbide pc board drills \? organization teradyne , inc boston lines 18 article lin news2 cis umn edu mike diack mike staff tc umn edu writes article wang com , pvr wang com writes sells special carbide drills used drill pc boards \? looking sizes smaller 60 , 65 70 would good best deal ever saw eli electronics cambridge mass quite close mit , 70 drills 5 00 box 50 eli boston fone book actually , think 57 phone number 617 547 probably mit flea sunday mike michael l teradyne atg boston maven dnet teradyne com
organization central michigan university matthew bailey cmuvm csv cmich edu subject sale apple iigs distribution usa lines 17 apple iigs imagewriter ii color printer color rgb monitor 3 5 drive 5 25 drive keyboard mouse lots disks applications manuals utmost gratification 650 00 bo
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject idea vectors \? organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 11 testing idea block cipher implementations correctness needs golden test vectors 've looked postscript idea chapter single example gives zero degrees freedom 'll contact inventor necessary since paying money use invention , 'd like anybody got vectors \? \( disease vectors , please \) grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
forbes sequent com \( ellen e forbes \) subject novice seeks tools trade summary looking keywords ouch ! article sequent 1993apr6 distribution usa organization sequent computer systems , inc lines 10 nntp posting host sequent com 'd like find home equipment 'll never use , 's likely victim , uh , customer make deal , call laura forbes \( 503 \) 275 4483 regular business hours , , respond e mail 'll pass message along
d88 jwa hemul nada kth se \( jon wtte \) subject stereo sound problem \( \? \) mac games keywords sound stereo , quadra , 900 , powerbook , 170 organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 26 nntp posting host hemul nada kth se network ucsd edu dpb sdchemw2 ucsd edu \( doug p book \) writes , following games play left channel still , stereo system beeps play stereo , speakers mac sound hardware diverse macs play stereo mix output \( se 30 instance \) others play stereo left channel speaker , truly mono \( like lc \) developers know stuff played left channel guaranteed heard , right channel n't send data , send data left channel \( first , course \) cheers , h jon w tte , h nada kth se , mac hacker deluxe engineering work \? science work \? management work \? liberal arts want fries \? jesse n
chris w johnson chrisj emx cc utexas edu subject new dc x gif organization university texas austin computation center lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host cc utexas edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id cc utexas edu x xxdate thu , 15 apr 93 19 42 41 gmt article cohen q5022531 mdc com andy cohen , cohen ssdgwy mdc com writes uploaded gif bongo cc utexas edu chris johnson moves , 'll probably pub delta clipper thanks andy image pub delta clipper name changed dcx artists concept gif spirit \) chris chris w johnson internet chrisj emx cc utexas edu uucp uunet ! cs utexas edu ! ut emx ! chrisj compuserve internet chrisj emx cc utexas edu applelink chrisj emx cc utexas edu internet wishing delta clipper team success upcoming dc x flight tests
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject investment yehuda shomron organization department redundancy department lines 12 article 1993apr18 das harvard edu adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes think house jews , reference person jewish ancestry issues statements company organization condemn judaism perfectly believe cpr house jew jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
addison leland stanford edu \( brett rogers \) subject defensive averages 1988 1992 shortstop organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 12 article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes smith , ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 wizard 's 1988 second highest year ever still good , n't like way numbers declined every year years may defensive liability 's rich ozzie smith defensive liability brett rogers addison leland stanford edu
rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization university virginia lines 24 article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes used tank knock hole wall , released non toxic , non flammable tear gas building know \? \? obviously koresh nut case , \( typical \) inability government media get story straight quite disturbing tuesday night , nbc news reported fbi know place burning saw black smoke billowing building next day , fbi agents insisting saw davidians setting fire fbi also denying possible battery compound 's could accidentally set blaze , also saying able much investigating site still hot know didnt accidentally set fire sounds like fbi burned place ground destroy evidence legalize freedom
dejesus eniac seas upenn edu \( cavalier \) subject help needed organization university pennsylvania lines 128 nntp posting host eniac seas upenn edu hello hope somebody help currently working project trying communicate ibm 386 phoenix bios , using c , board made intel cpu uart chip board works fine transmit command terminal emulation mode kermit , seems something wrong initialization protocol used try c need access unit built using c , sizable chunk c code using perform calculations operations difficult code assembly language included assembly code running c code trying use anyone show something blatantly incorrectly missing lack knowledge rs 232 serial communications , please e mail wrote assembly language wait character received check 0x20 character , 0x20 received , leds indicate two c programs written nothing , set com port 2 send 0x20 character one uses bioscom \( \) function bios h uses software interrupt \( \) function dos h triple checked baud rate \( 2400 \) parity \( none \) stop bits \( 1 \) character length \( 8 bits \) interrupt calls \( \) currently , loss may wrong hardware gurus want comment \? thanks alot , hubert de jesus dejesus eniac seas upenn edu intel asm command equ command register 8155 porta equ port 8155 equ high 8 bits 8155 timer equ low 8 bits 8155 timer equ uart data register uartcmd equ uart command register org sram location mvi , set low timer bits sta mvi , set high timer bits sta mvi , start timer enable port sta command mvi , display 11 7 segment leds sta porta mvi , clear uart command sta uartcmd sta uartcmd sta uartcmd mvi , internally reset uart sta uartcmd remove data mvi , init uart 8 data bits , sta uartcmd parity , 1 stop bit , async mvi , enable transmit receive sta uartcmd init uartcmd read status register ani \? jz init , loop read data character cpi ' ' character 0x20 \? init , loop mvi , character received , sta porta display 22 7 segment leds end c using bioscom \( \) include stdio h include stdlib h include bios h define init 0 define send 1 define receive 2 define status 3 define com2 1 void main \( \) char abyte abyte bioscom \( init , abyte , com2 \) printf \( initialized comm port 2 n \) \( ! \( bioscom \( status , 0 , com2 \) \) \) abyte ' ' bioscom \( send , abyte , com2 \) printf \( sent start character n \) c using \( \) include stdio h include stdlib h include dos h include bios h main \( \) union regs registers registers h ah registers h al registers x dx 0x01 \( , registers , registers \) printf \( com2 initialized n \) registers h ah 0x01 registers h al 0x20 registers x dx 0x01 \( , registers , registers \) printf \( sent start character n \)
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject plutonium based nuclear power plants organization express access online communications usa lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net todays new york times wrote pact negotiated us russians develope high temperature gas cooled fission reactors using cycled weapons grade plutonium warhead fuel ceramic safety , depletion sufficiently contaminated products make extraction remaining plutonium hazardous enough deter use apparently project led general san diego funding us government pilot plant built operated russians pat
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenian slaughter defenseless muslim children pregnant women reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 81 article 1993apr20 kpc com henrik quayle kpc com writes bm gimme break capital letters , , pure nonsense bm seems short sighted armenians escalating hostilities , armenians karabakh simply defending winding winter puts heavy 'arromdian' mood \? 'll see get dear write letter giving criminal handlers asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle military pointers , like shoot armed adult males instead small muslim children pregnant women source 'the times , ' 3 march 1992 massacre uncovered anatol lieven , sixty bodies , including women children , spotted nagorno karabakh , confirming claims armenian troops massacred azeri refugees hundreds missing scattered amid grass along small valley across hillside beyond bodies last wednesday 's massacre armenian forces azerbaijani refugees hill seen armenian controlled town outskirts azerbaijani military headquarters agdam died nearly made safety lines landed spot helicopter yesterday afternoon last troops commonwealth independent states began pulling left warring factions general boris , soviet withdrawal afghanistan , flew stepanakert ease departure local truce enforced allow collect dead refugees still hiding hills forest , two attack helicopters circled continuously nearby armenian positions , 31 bodies could counted scene least another 31 taken agdam past five days figures include civilians reported killed armenians stormed azerbaijani town khodjaly tuesday night figures also include yet bodies , survivor massacre , said saw 200 people shot point visited , refugees came different routes also told shot repeatedly leaving trail bodies along path around bodies saw scattered possessions , clothing personnel documents bodies preserved bitter cold killed others hid hills forest massacre bodies ordinary people , dressed poor , ugly clothing workers 31 saw , one policeman two apparent national volunteers wearing uniform rest civilians , including eight women three small children two groups , apparently families , fallen together , children arms several , including one small girl , terrible head injuries face left survivors told saw armenians shooting point blank lay ground serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject moonbase race , nasa resources , \? organization express access online communications usa lines 9 nntp posting host access digex net henry , n't little joe big joe get built year \? 6 months little joe , 12 months big joe \? thought saw something old mercury film pat
jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) subject post organization kulikauskas home lines 30 jono mac ak 24 rtsg mot com \( jon ogden \) writes advice know someone hots christian , try develop friendship time , witness share gospel , date , saved become christian , quite possible let relationship progress beyond friendship however , n't accept christ , still good friendship n't wasted lot emotional energy gotten hurt agree jon says \( deleted parts , course \) , serious reservations advice maintaining level relationship much easier said done people usually end getting hurt especially likely happen start feelings attraction people feel attracted feelings cloud judgement 've experience going quickly believing n't date non christians believing dating man would okay believing sex fine people really love relationship ended beliefs immediately returned original state especially extreme case young away home fellowship n't think would work exactly way people however , 's important underestimate power feelings attraction jayne kulikauskas jayne mmalt guild org
plk af mil \( ninja gourmet \) subject scarlet horse babylon \( daemons \) organization university new mexico , albuquerque , nm lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host plk af mil keywords dead horse , horse babylon article lynx unm edu , leo unm edu \( ron \) writes easy 667 neighbor beast \( 666 \) beast lives end de sac r noticed dead horse keywords line famous scarlet horse babylon beast \( 's 666 \) rides wonderful manuscripts , fear announcement old girl dead may premature bet 20 place 6th race downs last sunday , slid bad fifth dead comatose \( like god way , suppose \) ninja gourmet fight food jim opinions exist plk af mil called albuquerque , nm opinions
esa bitnet vm gmd de subject message space digest x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 62 press release 19 93 paris , 22 april 1993 users esa 's olympus satellite report outcome experiments today europe 's space telecommunications sector would , olympus provided testbed technologies services 1990s general conclusions 135 speakers 300 participants conference olympus held 20 22 april 1993 conference organised european space agency \( esa \) spanish centre development industrial technology \( \) olympus particularly useful bringing satellite telecommunications thousands new users , thanks satellite terminals small antennas \( \) olympus experiments tested data transmission , , business television , distance teaching rural telephony , give examples opening door new telecommunications services could crowded lower frequency bands olympus first satellite europe offer capacity 20 30 ghz band establishing two way data relay links olympus received first time europe , several months , high volume data low earth orbiting spacecraft distributed various centres europe olympus launched 12 july 1989 world 's largest telecommunications satellite satellite yet combining four different payloads wide variety frequency bands olympus users range individual experimenters world 's largest businesses access satellite given order test new telecommunications techniques services past four years 200 companies organisations made use opportunity , well 100 members distance learning organisation new technologies services tested olympus users enter commercial market , make use operational satellites olympus continue 1993 1994 , spacecraft run fuel approaches end design life
bryan philips oz au \( bryan ryan \) organization philips public telecommunications systems , melbourne , australia subject rams roms ale latches \( 8051 's \) lines 28 spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) writes article ucnv edu au jeff redgum ucnv edu au \( j \) writes hello , asked year ago , still looking getting sick use jeff , use damned 373 sure , oddball memory chips , really want use \? sorry i'm design circuit using reasonably available parts , move important problems 're looking series chips , series mega address decoding logic , various rom sizes \( upto \) , various ram sizes \( upto 16 k \) , 19 ports chip select lines , buffered address lines cute chip , 44 pin plcc package second may problem though \( bryan ryan , melbourne , australia bryan philips oz au
shane wang andrew cmu edu subject conner 120mb problem organization freshman , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 14 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu hi , recently , run norton disk surface test , realize slow harddisk accessing begining test , harddisk checked speed usually surface test half way harddisk , tremendous slow occured expected time operation jump 3 6 minutes try use harddisk tools check physical damage harddisk report always turn none surface test slow certain section disk turn back original speed gets section wondering whether harddisk problem problems anyway help comment shane wang
cnsvax uwec edu subject witches opinion organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 19 student uw eau claire paper witches wanted get point view use name unless specifically tell please answer question christian , offended witches \? feel pagan evil sense word \? time cooperation appreciated thanks , j survey conducted partial fulfillment course requirements engl 201 , taught karen welch university wisconsin eau claire course compliance course certification requirements university institutional review board protection human subjects compliance reasonable method choosing samples \? \? \? clh
rousseaua immunex com subject barbecued foods health risk distribution world organization immunex corporation , seattle , wa lines 19 grad school , remember biochemistry friend mine working heat shock proteins apparently , burning protein induce changes dna whether changes survive occurs n't know , never eat burnt food also , many woods contain toxins burnt , would seem logical may , get food , n't know toxins \( anti compounds \) would survive rather harsh conditions stomach intestine , would able cross intestinal \? maybe someone biochemical background \( almost anyone \) \) shed light heat shock proteins toxins may wood used make charcoal bbq anne marie rousseau e mail rousseaua immunex com say nothing immunex
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenians get away genocide 204 , 000 azeri people reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 163 article 1993apr20 kpc com henrik quayle kpc com writes da armenia involved fighting azarbaijan armenian da soldiers mainland armenia shelling towns azarbaijan well , opinion ! related 'arromdian' asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle \? feel simply act fascist armenian governmental crony forum sadly mistaken duly embarrassed lecture another historical revisionist genocide apologist , fact time , fascist x soviet armenian government get away genocide 204 , 000 azeri men , women children chance sunday times 8 march 1992 fill azeris head war thomas goltz , first report massacre armenian soldiers worst violence since breakup soviet union , reports agdam khojaly used barren town , empty shops dirt roads yet still home thousands people , happier times , tended fields flocks geese last week wiped map sickening reports azerbaijani border town agdam , bodies piled , little doubt khojaly stark gullies around site terrible massacre since soviet union broke apart last visit khojaly january people predicting fate grim resignation , mother four board helicopter us town , called community sitting ducks , ready get shot family among victims massacre february 26 armenians taken villages , one one , government nothing , 55 , father five , said next drive us kill us , said , wife couple , three sons three daughters killed assault , many people spoken close armenian lines knew would cross road , first units column ran across hell broke loose bullets raining sides entered trap azeri defenders picked one one survivors say armenian forces began slaughter , firing anything moved gullies video taken azeri cameraman , wailing crying filmed body body , showed grizzly trail death leading towards higher , ground villagers sought refuge armenians armenians shot shot shot , said omar , lying hospital agdam wounds saw wife daughter fall right people wandered hospital looking news loved ones vented fury foreigners daughter , son \? mother raped butchered lost azerbaijan said many 1 , 000 refugees killed tried flee armenians denied , saying civilians caught crossfire source times , 2 march 1992 corpses litter hills karabakh anatol lieven comes fire flying azerbaijani forces investigate alleged mass killings refugees armenian troops swooped low snow covered hills nagorno karabagh saw scattered corpses apparently , refugees shot ran azerbaijani film places flew , shown journalists afterwards , showed dozens corpses lying various parts hills azerbaijanis claim many 1000 died mass killing azerbaijanis fleeing town khodjaly , seized armenians last week 4 , 000 believed wounded , frozen death missing seven us cabin azerbaijani m24 attack helicopter flew investigate claims mass killings suddenly thump underside aircraft , red flash tracer ripped past starboard wing , helicopter rocked sharply swung round , deafening burst fire cannon wing helicopter crew returned fire fired armenian anti aircraft post swung round , tipped starboard appeared dive straight valley brown earth swooped around heads , helicopter swung round followed contours ground cannon fired repeated blasts later emerged civilian helicopter landed successfully east disputed enclave nagorno karabakh , pick dead , fact , attacked ground fire armenian helicopter seen armenian helicopter intermittently window , cannons firing , thought mistakenly side group western journalists search rescue flight become combat mission flight consisted civilian passenger helicopter two m24 soviet attack helicopters azerbaijani service , flying armour party second civilian helicopter 's job land mountains pick bodies sites mass killings attack helicopters give covering fire necessary operation showed striking sign disintegration soviet armed forces pilot russian officer azerbaijani official told us five former soviet military helicopters pilots fighting azerbaijan signed contracts fly us , said helicopter engaged combat probably flown brother officer russian pilot , fighting armenians taken 5pm saturday agdam , heated armenian controlled mountains karabakh , sheer white wall distance civilian helicopter picked four corpses , previous mission azerbaijani cameraman filmed several several dozen bodies took hurry speed back towards azerbaijani lines azerbaijani gunners last hill plain safety us passed back agdam , took look bodies civilian helicopter picked two old men small girl covered blood , limbs cold rigor shot russian pilot think tragedy , close shave , war nagorno karabakh \? gave us cheerful grin , politely declined answer ques tions , marched dinner serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject rumour keenan signs rangers \? nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 25 golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes ranger announcement supposed happen tomorrow supposedly press conference rangers many veterans get coach weight proven record know messier respects interestingly , keenan 's co coach \( number one \? \) team canada world championships roger neilsen 'd interesting rangers call balance neilsen 's contract keenan 's assistant roger good job mediocre players , handled cinderella canucks 10 years ago mistake playing rangers like canucks last may gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
hwstock snll llnl gov \( stockman w \) subject dos organization sandia national laboratories lines 3 version dos 386 486 \?
mje pookie pass wayne edu \( michael j edelman \) subject manual shift bigots organization wayne state university lines 17 distribution world reply mje pookie pass wayne edu nntp posting host pookie pass wayne edu , ego regards shifting ability big anyone else 's , ordered first car auto trans n't planning driving convinced things changed since days slip 'n' slide shift better , 's clutch wear \( honda wanted 800 4wd wagon last year ! got done 500 \) , costs 5 gas milage highway makes easier concentrate radios car \) \( oddly enough , two best friends auto industry motor city switched wholeheartedly autos , wives insist manual shift envy \? \) aside , given today 's technology warranties 're handing auto trans seemed like excellent choice call convert mike
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject death taxes \( give 1 billion organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon lines 55 article 1993apr23 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes article 1993apr22 162501 747 indyvax iupui edu , tffreeba indyvax iupui edu writes somebody pointed , quite correctly , rights anybody 's grant \( although imagine would fait accompli situation winner \) \? give winning group \( ca n't see one company corp \) 10 , 20 , 50 year moratorium taxes tom freebairn says mineral rights given \? says \? un us government \? tom 's right 's right ability stop anyone taking away never mind legal status major question decide mine moon mars , stop \? un ca n't legal tom truly \? nick 's right 's always easier obtain forgiveness permission many people remember britain 's king george iii expressly forbid american subjects cross mountains said subjects basically said , stop us could n't go moon declare nation , stop maybe acknowledge \? 's usa started course , 's also republic started \( ca 1800 1820 \) central america n't quite staying power usa i'm sure examples going far away ignoring authority , none jump mind right happen find nation acknowledged , offer services space miner go mine asteroids mars moon ever long sponsor get trouble whaling nations define whatever activities want carry scientific research coincidentally requires recovery minerals \( whatever \) , go basically find country wants go space , ca n't reason another , give home saudia arabia whatever sort arrangement libya \( think \) late '70 's commercial space launch project \( one earliest \) killed soviet propaganda nato cruise missiles africa , made libya arrangement doug loss
rh com \( richard harter \) subject rawlins debunks creationism reply rh uucp \( richard harter \) organization software maintenance development systems , inc lines 79 article 1993apr15 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) writes talking origins , merely science science cannot explain origins person exclude anything science issue origins say higher truth science false premise way , enjoy science truly wonder observing god 's creation macroevolution mixture 15 percent science 85 percent religion guaranteed within three percent error \) let us explore interesting paragraph point point , sentence sentence 1 \) talking origins , merely science origins \? speaking origins life , human species , universe , physical law , biological diversity \? 2 \) science cannot explain origins false statement unless carefully qualified depends origins talking 3 \) person exclude anything science issue origins say higher truth science , false statement begin , notion higher truth distinctly dubious many people believe ways ascertain truth science even believe ways reliable certain many believe truths cannot expressed using language science let truths neither higher lower simply true point , restricting one 's discussion origins science reject sources knowledge simply restricts scope discussion 4 \) false premise intended asserting previous sentence false \( 4 \) actually true however context identifies another false least theologically unsound statement 5 \) way , enjoy science evidence mr rawlins lacks sufficient understanding science enjoy science meaningful sense one might well say one enjoys literature written language one cannot read however one cannot mark sentence false follow analogy , perhaps likes pretty shapes letters 6 \) truly wonder observing god 's creation let us quibble count one true 7 \) macroevolution mixture 15 percent science 85 percent religion guaranteed within three percent error \) still another false statement however one make come true following contextual modification macroevolution , misunderstood , mixture 15 percent rawlins erroneously thinks science , 85 percent rawlins erroneously thinks religion distinctly noticeable mr rawlins fails miserably touch truth except reports personally feels justice assuming misinforming us personal reactions one account hypothesis personal concept truth richard harter inc net address rh com phone 508 369 us mail inc , po box 555 , concord fax 508 369 fields hell grass grows high graves dreams allowed die
morse com \( morse \) subject mac oriented bbss chicago lines 8 member local bbs frequent looking mac oriented bbss based chicago leads would appreciated !
tffreeba indyvax iupui edu subject death taxes \( give 1 billion \) lines 48 nsmca aurora alaska edu , university alaska fairbanks writes good deal healthy deeply thought deleted major question decide mine moon mars , stop \? truly \? parent company business \( \) face earth vulnerable govt sanctions yes stopped go moon declare nation , stop first 100 500 \( imho \) years nobody colonists dependent earth pull eventually , history shows us also means mine moon \( whatever \) un done right made busy something else , care exactly mean \? terrorism \? start international incident dream come true \? crack eggs make \? sounds fairly irresponsible basically saying drive go little bit farther , jus ta little bit , tell crown piss ancestors thought way many today think , id born central europe north black sea , tie much stronger space colonists immigrants gone even intrepid asian explorers crossed land bridge carry air backs michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked keep dream alive , maybe dream little tom freebairn man built boat sail away sank j p fairy tale new york \( maybe \? \)
roy panix com \( roy radow \) subject subject organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 59 elroy jpl nasa gov carlos beowulf jpl nasa gov \( carlos carrion \) writes article panix com roy panix com \( roy radow \) writes imply relationships youth adults abusive critical factor whether sexual activity forced whether activity agreed upon freely engaged people involved child forced often damage , hand , wholeheartedly agree consensual relationships often found positive experiences concerned find hard believe \? care convince us \? carlos , check scientific research done area convince research around world indicates issue coercion critical factor interested research topic suggest , li et al \( england \) , constantine \( united states \) , \( netherlands \) especially like 's research actually quotes boys involved relationships say children sex new findings , new perspectives larry constantine floyd \( eds \) little brown co , boston , 1980 boys contacts men theo , global academic publishers , , new york , 1987 perspectives brian taylor \( ed \) academic educational ltd , london , 1981 factual report bernard enclave , , netherlands , 1985 sexual experience men boys parker maurice temple smith ltd , middlesex , great britain , 1985 children 's sexual encounters adults c k li , j west p gerald co , london , 1990 liberation , roy roy radow roy panix com rutgers ! cmcl2 ! panix ! roy north american man boy love association packet containing sample bulletin , publications list membership information send 1 00 postage nambla info , dept rr , po box 174 , station , nyc ny
chico br \( francisco da \) subject new planet kuiper object found \? x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 28 tv journal brasil announced object , beyond pluto 's orbit , found observatory hawaii named object karla program said object n't gaseous giant planet , composed rocks someone confirm information \? could object new planet kuiper object \? thanks advance francisco stars , , francisco da , da ' brasil ' de de cps ' internet chico br ' br ' ' fone fax 55 32 ' sp brasil like dust
habs panix com \( harry shapiro \) subject secret source announcement organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 65 slab mtholyoke edu jbotz mtholyoke edu \( jurgen botz \) writes even interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist gov longer recognizes commands telnet csrc ncsl nist gov smtp trying 129 6 54 11 connected csrc ncsl nist gov escape character ' ' 220 first org sendmail 4 1 nist ready tue , 20 apr 93 17 01 34 edt expn clipper 500 command unrecognized seems like sombody n't like snooping around , marc good thing already mailing list csspab mail gw ncsl nist gov , address clipper mailing list , seems contain basically members nist security board addition names already posted , true names follows burrows ecf james burrows director nist 's national computer systems laboratory mcnulty ecf f lynn mcnulty associate director computer security national institute standards technology 's computer systems laboratory dockmaster ncsc mil director secure systems program wang laboratories inc wrote computer security basics deborah russell g , sr 1991 , o'reilly associates cto citicorp com sandra lambert vice president information security citibank , n mitre org mitre corp 's director information systems gallagher dockmaster ncsc mil patrick gallagher , director national security agency 's national computer security center security board member walker tis com stephen walker computer security expert president trusted information systems , inc , md willis rand org willis h ware rand corp executive chairs security board vnet ibm com william security board member director ibm corp 's data security programs harry shapiro habs panix com list administrator extropy institute mailing list private communication community since 1991 harry shapiro habs panix com list administrator extropy institute mailing list private communication community since 1991
santos mickey ai ac jp \( rafael \) subject turbo c visual edition request absolute newbie questions organization kit , ai dept , japan lines 52 nntp posting host mickey reply wiggins cs odu edu 's message fri , 16 apr 1993 06 16 54 gmt article wiggins cs odu edu wiggins cs odu edu \( samuel e wiggins \) writes btw , would rate new borland turbo c visual edition windows , anyone \? time new discussion , maybe \? asked groups time ago tc , got answers , decided try brother lives us bought sent , i'm still trying get used put good bad points list , consider turbo pascal dos programmer , sometimes try make something unix c \( exercises university \) used make programs microsoft c version 5 \( ! ! \) used third party libraries required like borland seems much easier use microsoft , specially debugger tried learn sometimes , never felt confortable tc v e seems nice create simple apps , like examples objectwindows book far , problems lets see next week , try something complex works nice even weak machine 386 16mhz , 6 mb ram manual resource workshop seems different version workshop windows appear manual manual think run trouble since got tc brother present didnt wanted buy japanese version 1 \) suspect manuals japanese \( 2 \) believe far expensive bought present sent , send registration card japanese branch borland , knows , 'd like ask questions know microsoft guys around group anybody borland \? e mail address contact technical support \? stupid questions , ask example , rw manual seems different rw \? anybody else using around \? book useful \? intend use rw make interfaces work code answers e mail comp os ms windows programmer tools , please thanks advance , rafael
gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) subject wings win nntp posting host hudson uvic ca reply gballent hudson uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 67 article vela acs oakland edu , ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) writes article vela acs oakland edu , ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes also think hard time pittsburgh face finals \( detroit sportswriters predicting \) although think bryan murray probably best gm ever seen hockey figure \? \? bryan murray took wings pretty good team contending stanley cup looked unlikely win pretty good team contending stanley cup looks unlikely win truly great gm would able make moves push team upper nhl maybe win stanley cup good gm \( like murray \) maintain team 's success ca n't push next level jacques demers brought wings conference finals twice years back , everyone team giving 100 percent , little talent yzerman , bob probert \( drinking problems time \) , couple decent goaltenders stefan got hot 's name one player earlier teams even deserved star game , much less actually got , yzerman probert \? like , petr klima \? give break ! faced edmonton conference finals , hard played , clear faced team simply superior talent wings 's could get finals also , time norris division still weakest division hockey , getting past chicago , toronto impressive today murray brought scoring talent wings years ago devellano gm demers coach name , ysebaert , kozlov , paul coffey \( made definite positive impact power play especially \) murray built one talented teams hockey present , possible exception pittsburgh penguins wings least five 30 goal scorers think , couple defenseman 100 games worth playoff experience murray 's one failing unlike gm 's mentioned \( definitely also good , n't get wrong \) , found strong coach motivate team go give 100 percent full 60 minutes every night like last time made cup run team wins loses , 's reflection gm coach , point original post team opponent terms talent loses anyway \( case year wings struggled \) , indicates gm done job building team coach failed motivate , case last run wings made playoffs murray came , gave opponents hard time beaten easily , indicates good coaching making lack talent fine never said murray bad gm merely said n't best gm hockey even contender honor murray great claim wings would stanley cup probably great gm claim poor coach claim would intelligent enough hire coach push team next level success murray average \( \) nhl coach pretty good gm none true anyway gregmeister
ghhwang csie nctu edu tw \( ghhwang \) subject wp pcf , linux , risc \? organization computer sci information eng , chiao tung u , taiwan , roc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 7 dear friend , risc means reduced instruction set computer risc usually small instruction set reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc ghhwang csie nctu edu tw form r c taiwan
ra msstate edu \( todd w anderson \) subject diamond stealth 24 giving 9 4 winmarks \? nntp posting host ra msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 9 486dx33 stealth 24 vlb get 11 4 winmarks ver 3 11
bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de \( vesselin bontchev \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow keywords encryption , wiretap , clipper , key escrow , mykotronx reply bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de organization virus test center , university hamburg lines 29 pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes , mind , give us one good reason algorithm secret algorithm , unless encryption scheme either joke , contains features like 'master key' back door unauthorized eavesdropping \? hmm , couple 1 \) algorithm becomes known , easy produce pin compatible non crippled chips provide real encryption privacy , keys users' hands 2 \) since skipjack symmetric key cypher , needs way agree session key released information says protocol may used \( e g , dh \) theoretical point view , probably true however , practical point view , chips must kind key exchange protocol built good old rsa \? mean producer pay lots bucks pkp keeping details secret avoided regards , vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center , university hamburg tel 49 40 54715 224 , fax 49 40 54715 226 fachbereich informatik agn pgp 2 2 public key available request vogt koelln strasse 30 , rm 107 c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de 2000 hamburg 54 , germany
andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) subject tapped , code good nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution na lines 59 article rdippold qualcom rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) writes geoff ficus cs ucla edu \( geoffrey kuenning \) writes bullshit bush administration career gestapo responsible horror , presented new presidency fait accompli n't excuse clinton gore criticism stupid go , let 's lay body proper door start final stages denial hardly imagine result would clinton administration actually supported plan , instead merely 've obviously n't believe chip originated clinton administration either , clinton administration embraced brought fruition \( date 1 26 93 \) note clinton 's statements encryption 3rd paragraph guess statement n't contradict said , though cut washington \( upi \) war drugs get fresh start , president clinton told delegates national federation police convention washington first speech drug issue since , clinton said planned escalation drug war make everything far seem half hearted practical purposes war beginning '' repeatedly emphasized view tried , tried , long 've trying , day one '' audience convention , whose theme spell fiscal relief \? f r f e u r e , '' interrupted clinton frequently applause clinton 's program , presented speech , follows outline given campaign position papers cabinet level drug czar first time offenders , however , cover detail plans improved enforcement methods ``this year 's crime bill teeth , bare gums , '' clinton said particular , administration place strict controls data formats protocols , require registration called keys , '' hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton said approach could used forms underground economic activity , ``the deficit causing tax live luxury expense grandchildren '' clinton expressed optimism drug war even though everyone voted bill clinton last november , everyone vote candidate shares sense urgency fighting drug menace advocates legalization advocates surrender may good making noise , '' clinton said american people cast ballots , proved knew along advocates surrender nothing microscopic fringe ''
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject predictions nntp posting host gibson cc umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 79 smythe division vancouver vs winnipeg jets 7 jets played canucks tough last three games everyone healthy jets i'm biased \) calgary vs los angeles flames 6 seen , kings looked flat lately ca n't see getting flames final jets 6 jets n't lost flames '93 , close series come well roberts recovered n't think 'll 100 , help , wo n't enough norris division chicago vs st louis minnesota chicago 6 blues , 7 stars detroit vs toronto wings 6 wings able shutdown gilmour andreychuk experienced potvin final hawks 7 brutal series probert chelios go belfour better , imho conference final hawks 6 hurts , hawks experienced , carry final prince wales conference adams division boston vs buffalo bruins 6 b 's check , juneau darn good , neely sabres rely much lafontaine mogilny quebec vs montreal montreal 7 classic battle , hurt nords , year final bruins 5 habs hurting series nords , boston able control scorers habs patrick division pittsburgh vs islanders devils pens 5 one word mario washington vs devils islanders caps 6 devils 7 think caps beat isles , devils tabaracci strong goal , plays like last year , could carry team n't matter , though final pens 5 two words stevens jagr cup final pens 6 three last words tocchet murphy barrasso thing n't like pens woofers going full force \( n't mean regular penguin fans 's like bunch around predictions true post like nuts jets winning , wo n't hear lose \) \( oh yeah next year 's cup prediction jets 7 nords \) daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
klee synoptics com \( ken lee \) subject dec pixmap size reply klee synoptics com organization synoptics communications , santa clara ca lines 12 nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics com article 1964 igd fhg de , haase igd fhg de \( helmut haase \( \) \) writes try create pixmap larger size screen program terminate displaying message x error insufficient resources many x servers supporting graphics accelerators allow creation pixmaps size screen one workaround create several smaller pixmaps add results ken lee , klee synoptics com
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject year 's biggest worst \( opinion \) keywords nhl , awards organization university toronto chemistry department lines 60 article c4zcii ftn watserv1 uwaterloo ca smale healthy uwaterloo ca \( bryan smale \) writes team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette \( jinx \? \) calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet chelios far mvp chicago detroit red wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby manson , admission , terrible year oilers n't really team mvp default , go craig podein biggest surprise tikkanen biggest disappointment hartford whalers sanderson corriveau los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi \( expected back \) broten tinordi back mid season last year plays mvp montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard new jersey devils stevens semak maclean new york islanders turgeon king \( finally \) marois king great year last year also new york rangers messier kovalev bourque kovalev surprise \? ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting look philly 's record eric without doubt soderstrom probably biggest surprise pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet \( even \) jagr tocchet near 100 point season philly mike bullard center n't able mario \? quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley st louis blues shanahan c joseph ron sutter really joseph deserves mvp nod tampa bay lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved \( finally \) momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce gerald
harmon math ohio state edu \( jim harmon \) subject midi keyboard 225 organization department mathematics , ohio state university lines 13 distribution cmh nntp posting host ford mps ohio state edu roland hs 60 \( 60 \) 6 voice fully programmable analog synthesizer 61 full size keys midi memory store 128 patches built speakers connectors midi thru , input \( 2 \) , expansion pedal , head phones , tape load save , patch shift , pedal hold , output \( 2 \) asking 225 harmon mps ohio state edu
fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) subject braves pitching updatedir organization duke university durham , n c lines 19 nntp posting host keynes econ duke edu amazingly , pitchers , matter good mechanics , machines cy young winners n't pitch , unaware offenses braves' pitching staff already showing signs cracking strain knowing 're going get many \( \) runs unfortunately , braves' pitchers bad long organization put much stress \( mean stress \) pitching completely ignored hitting braves right looking woefully similar braves mid seventies heaven help us econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke correspondents email changed e l new address fls econ duke edu f mail bounces , try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
ucer ee rochester edu \( b ucer \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) organization university rochester department electrical engineering article 1993apr16 535 cs yale edu ctstateu edu \( angelos karageorgiou greek combination \) writes ok aykut , greek torched , people died happened oh , 5 years ago greeks islands , allowed churches , instead turkey turned church warehouse , got picture greeks , call trabzon sampson , spoke 2 thousand year language , left still \? start another flamefest , start quoting argic , somebody else \? , please think know hard thing somebody equipped , try nevertheless turks greece badly mistreated come elected two , one two , representatives greek government \? come free \( absolutely free \) hospitalization education \? turks turkey much \? every right shout , untill also move greece enjoy privileges forget , study foreign university , poor tiling earth sweat btw aziz still writing poetry \? 'd like read new stuff also guy wrote mountains \? please respond kindly last two questions , interested finding books two people kai opinions expressed nobody else 's angelos karageorgiou mine , mine , , , \( \( \( live long carrier mail sent , used manner whatsoever may repost parts messages whole messages disagree , please exercise freedom speech n't send anything dear mr karageorgiou , would like clarify several misunderstandings posting first bus incident believe three years ago , done mentally ill person killed afterwards pontus greeks ex turks greece 1923 logout since greek friend wants use computer well , 'll back la vista baby
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject exercise hypertension reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 18 article psuvm psu edu rfm psuvm psu edu writes took stress test couple weeks back , results came back noting exercise hypertension fool , n't ask doc meant , n't explain i'm wondering anyone enlighten promise , next time 'll ask ! probably meant blood pressure went normal 'll ask meant , since one else answer another person gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
nmp mfltd co uk \( nic percival \( \) \) subject non turbo speed reply nmp mfltd co uk organization micro focus ltd , newbury , england lines 18 taken delivery 66mhz 486 dx2 machine , nice one query landmark speed turbo 230 something mhz thats problem problem speed turbo 7 mhz equivalent car terms nice porsche button turns anyone clue determines relative performance turbo vs non turbo \? \? would like set give landmark speed 30 40 mhz turbo cheers , nic percival well piece cake , eh k 9 \? micro focus , newbury piece cake master \? radial slice baked \( \) ext coefficient relevance nmp mfltd co uk key time zero dr
morgan socs uts edu au subject technology reply morgan socs uts edu au organization university technology sydney lines 39 article apr 2 02 36 53 1993 athos rutgers edu cs uq oz au writes fairly new group wondering people 's opinions ethical uses net , technology general classic references area jacques liberal evangelical perspective os straight evangelical view want look non christian sources try alvin perennial optimist views non christian explore technology may going example , chain letters going around claim written christian missionary , present misleading image christian religion regardless technology careful separate issues related speed dispersion technology \( far letter went quickly got \) message passed technology \( something seems totally wrong \) help make best use computer technology \? area challenge \( non atheistic \) class impact technology life , quality life rights consider important depending work faith determine response use technology example friends mine considering ivf due life threatening situation wife going baby \( god willing \) case technology available friends decide cases though must decide technology god 's revealed word regards david david morgan university technology sydney morgan socs uts edu au po box 123 broadway nsw ph 61 2 330 15 73 broadway sydney fax 61 2 330 1807 paid good money get opinions get free v
br uicvm uic edu subject dtp organization utexas mail news gateway lines 3 nntp posting host cs utexas edu please information desk top post graduate courses possible email address normal mail thanks advance
david fuess subject windows 3 1 slower using dos 6 \? \? \? \? organization uc llnl lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host talon llnl gov article hp com calloway hp com \( frank calloway \) writes system frank calloway mine , either ! david fuess dir , center eecs phone \( 510 \) 423 2436 fax \( 510 \) 422 lawrence livermore national laboratory
tron ux1 cso uiuc edu \( tron r \) subject modulation rf organization university illinois urbana lines 11 would like rf rf remote control project high 5 v low 0v thanks tron
cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) subject dividians black \? article ncoast reply cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) organization north coast public access nix , cleveland , oh lines 35 quoted 1993apr5 icd ab com kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) cbnewsh cb att com \( brian leary \) writes questions media politically correct try asking people n't understand anyone would worry tactics used child molesting , drug dealing , gun running , cop killing religious wackos waco \( 1 \) questions people compound black guys ninja suits charging assault weapons grenades lapd would think \? charges essentially used operation move philadelphia years back , cops dropped incendiary bomb roof burned whole block move black group significant differences whereas branch davidians reported gotten along rather well neighbors , move people generally gone far way black neighbors , using loudspeakers hours night , keeping large piles garbage , promoting rat insect , allegedly threatening neighbors' children still sort questions regarding use force remain case 're like bunch educated , new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva
pitt edu \( j \) subject clinton president 's trip pittsburg sic organization university pittsburgh lines 37 article life ai mit edu clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) writes statement press secretary president travel pittsburgh saturday , april 17 talk job creation plan impact state pennsylvania , would create many 3 , 818 would \? ha haa ha hell come number , specified units column , something complicated \? face , 's perceptions matter , folks , facts especially one full time jobs 21 , 240 summer jobs make according pittsburgh post gazette , means 7200 new jobs allegheny county \( metro pgh \) alone ! ha ha heh heh \? hope 's fixing potholes street let 's face , folks , 're depression clinton 's really coming beat sen arlen specter , happens africa \( n't know whether laugh cry \) j \( casey \) 1996 , two kinds slavic computer professional u pgh library systems know nextstep , pitt edu without jobs
k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \( jamie r mccarthy \) subject ca 's pedophilia laws organization kalamazoo college lines 79 cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \( jamie r mccarthy \) writes completely abyss believing queers world think differently child molestation advocating minority soc motss , n't even notice 's starting sentence believe referent millions people irrelevant n't want lumped together group , stop insisting treated member group please point said even member group , much less asked treated , much less insisted upon sexual orientation defined anti discrimination law passed last year pedophilia n't sexual orientation \? wait minute 've claiming quite pedophilia , according ca state law , sexual orientation position law n't specifically exclude \? know damn well 's going happen guy nambla shirt 's going apply day care , 're going turn , 's going take court , court 's going rule sexual orientation defined homosexuality , heterosexuality , bisexuality unless court decides pedophilia sexual orientation , business saying silence death pin something turn wholeheartedly support right take action would n't , unless something like nambla shirt despite fact homosexuals lying bastards \? black man applies job bank bank decides , based statistics , black person would likely steal money , denies man job would support bank 's right freedom \? support right deletia deletia ah , example , opposed civil rights act 1964 \? 's law passed signed governor people state california enact follows 1 section 1 purpose act codify 2 existing case law determined gay law students v 3 pacific telephone telegraph , 24 cal 3d 458 \( 1979 \) 4 v dayton hudson corp , 235 cal app 3d 654 5 \( 1991 \) prohibiting discrimination based sexual 6 orientation 7 sec 2 section 1102 added labor code , 8 read 9 1102 1 \( \) sections 1101 1102 prohibit 10 discrimination disparate treatment terms 11 conditions employment based actual 12 perceived sexual orientation 13 \( b \) section shall apply religious 14 association corporation organized private 15 profit , whether incorporated religious public 16 benefit corporation 's purposes act , term defined section \? definitions anywhere \? run state congress accelerated schedule something \? jamie mccarthy internet k044477 kzoo edu applelink j mccarthy
rouben math umbc edu \( rouben rostamian \) subject sunrise sunset times organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 60 nntp posting host math umbc edu article 1993apr21 cbis ece drexel edu jpw cbis ece drexel edu \( joseph wetstein \) writes hello looking program \( algorithm \) used compute sunrise sunset times computation long time ago computes length daylight able convert information sunrise sunset times rouben rostamian telephone 410 455 department mathematics statistics e mail university maryland baltimore county bitnet rostamian umbc bitnet baltimore , md , usa internet rouben math umbc edu definitions z tilt axis planet away normal orbital plane case earth z 23 5 degrees , think recall exact value case uranus , z almost 90 degrees u latitude location length day measured paris 45 degrees north pole 90 angular position planet around sun goes 0 360 degrees , planet makes full circle around sun spring equinox occurs 0 l daylight fraction \( duration daylight \) \( duration full day \) equator \( u 0 \) l always 1 2 near north pole \( u 90 degrees \) l sometimes one sometimes zero , depending time year computation define auxiliary angles p q sin p sin sin z cos q h \( tan u tan p \) , \( 0 q 180 degrees \) conclusion l q 180 \( q measured degrees \) l q pi \( q measured \) wait ! h \? cutoff function h defined follows h \( \) 1 1 1 1 1 interesting exercise , plot l versus graph shows length daylight varies time year experiment various choices latitudes tilt angles compare behavior function locations arctic circle rouben rostamian telephone 410 455 department mathematics statistics e mail university maryland baltimore county bitnet rostamian umbc bitnet baltimore , md , usa internet rouben math umbc edu
amann iam unibe ch \( stephan amann \) subject radiosity reply amann iam unibe ch organization university berne , institute computer science applied mathematics , special interest group computer graphics lines 80 article yuma acns colostate edu , longs lance colostate edu \( xia zhao \) writes article 1993apr19 aragorn unibe ch , write let 's serious i'm working radiosity package , written c would like make public domain 'll announce c g minute finished good news bad news 'll take another 2 months \( least \) finish using traditional radiosity method , progressive refinement , something else package \? package based several articles non standard radiosity unpublished methods main articles cohen , chen , wallace , greenberg progressive refinement approach fast radiosity image generation computer graphics \( siggraph \) , v 22 \( 4 \) , pp 75 84 , august 1988 , general two pass method integrating diffuse reflection computer graphics \( siggraph \) , \( 3 \) , 344 , july 1989 need project patches cube surfaces , technique using \? hardware facilitate projection \? use cubes special hardware \( sun sparcstation \) meantime may look file radiosity code tar z located compute1 cc ncsu edu guest username password ftp site \? use anonymous username e mail address password \( locations look archie get nearest \) hope 'll help stephan thanks , stephan stephan stephan amann sig computer graphics , university berne , switzerland amann iam unibe ch tel 41 31 65 46 79 fax 41 31 65 39 65 projects radiosity , raytracing , computer graphics
reply donoghue donoghue win net \( kevin donoghue \) donoghue donoghue win net \( kevin donoghue \) subject line mail lines 13 looking program called line mail reader windows using qwk mail packets anyone knows good qwk mail readers please let know thanks kevin kevin c donoghue internet donoghue donoghue win net donoghue international love hear sins love act grand ave suite 273 william ventura ca 93003
chrisb natinst com \( chris bartz \) subject hr 1276 \( gun law live ! \) organization national instruments , austin , tx lines 26 distribution usa nntp posting host eagle natinst com article 1993apr15 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) writes \( \) establishment right person pro federal law receiving firearm shall right obtain firearms security , use fire arms defense self , family , home , right unless federal government says n't n't think like much would much better said everyone except striped right due process law thing also , n't care federal government stepping states rights regardless state right stepped constitution n't give feds power shut way feds anything say constitution prohibits localities infringing rkba case bill reiterate rkba guaranteed constitution feds take appropriate action infringed chris bartz \( chrisb natinst com \)
gamet erg sri com \( thomas gamet \) subject keyboard specifications organization sri international , menlo park , ca lines 35 hardware firmware gurus current home project build huge paddle keyboard physically handicapped relative mine goal keyboard look exactly like keyboard host system highly endowed keyboard little pcl z world heart thing lack detailed information hardware 486 \( windows 3 1 dos 5 0 \) expecting project independant windows , hope fellow window 's users programmers recognize need willing point right direction l hardware bible \( 2nd edition \) hb gives \( \) information need concerning scan codes even wire diagram ps 2 style connector need , leaves number important questions unanswered 1 synchronous asynchronous serial communication \? i'm guessing synchronous since host providing clock either event , data framed \? 2 half duplex truly one way \? i'm guessing half duplex since host turn leds 3 chipsets available communicating keyboard standard \( real keyboard \) \? anyone knows book article \( written source information \) , please advise gamet erg sri com whatever must safe cannot afford replace 486 event thank time fuer zeit thomas gamet \( gamet erg sri com \) software engineer sri international
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject dogs organization summary abnormal canine psychology lines 21 article ms c 735160298 1147902781 mrc ikkoku kan panda com , mrc ikkoku kan panda com \( mark crispin \) writes hostile dog , one repeatedly encounter , stronger measures may necessary face first important make sure never face dog territory face road , driveway necessary , large stick , rolled newspaper , etc \( something beast understand something hurt \) stand ground , slowly advance mental attitude angry going dispense terrible punishment larger dog , greater anger tactic depends effectiveness dog 's conformance psychological norm may actually apply particular dog 've tried success , wo n't work charlie manson dog one 's really , really stupid large irish setter taught yard \( apparently territory \) one day i'm sure playing game game probably kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject islam dress code women organization sgi lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr6 eas asu edu , guncer enuxha eas asu edu \( selim guncer \) writes would n't consider quote exemplary islamic \( tm \) viewpoint though know , prophet 's cousin fourth ali may said frustrating night woman 's interesting wonder , women 's reactions recorded frustrating night man \? considered important \? jon
subject space faq 05 15 references leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) expires 6 may 1993 19 56 44 gmt organization university north carolina , chapel hill keywords frequently asked questions supersedes references cs unc edu nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu lines 665 archive name space references last modified date 93 04 01 14 39 21 references specific areas publishers space astronomy material astronomical society pacific 1290 24th avenue san francisco , ca expensive better organized slide sets cambridge university press 32 east 57th street new york , ny crawford peters p box san diego , ca \( 619 \) 287 excellent source kinds space publications publish number catalogs , including aviation space , 1945 1962 aviation space , 1962 1990 space related titles european southern observatory information photographic service dr r west karl strasse 2 garching bei frg slide sets , posters , photographs , conference proceedings finley holiday film corporation east philadelphia street whittier , california \( 213 \) 945 \( 800 \) films 07 wide selection apollo , shuttle , viking , voyager slides 50 cents slide call catalog hansen planetarium \( utah \) said hold sales old slide sets look sky telescope contact info lunar planetary institute nasa road one houston , tx 77058 technical , geology oriented slide sets , supporting john wiley sons 605 third avenue new york , ny sky publishing corporation po box 9111 belmont , 9111 offers sky catalogue 2000 0 pc floppy information \( including parallax \) stars roger geography dept university calgary , alberta canada t2n 1n4 \( 403 \) 220 \( 403 \) 282 \( fax \) bitnet offers 40 slide set called mapping planets recent work planetary , comes booklet information getting copies maps 50 canadian , shipping included documents us government printing office washington , dc , inc p box san diego , ca publishers american astronomical society us naval observatory 202 653 \( bulletin board via modem \) 202 653 general willmann bell p box richmond , virginia usa \( 804 \) 320 9 5 est f careers space industry 1990 princeton planetary society published first edition space jobs guide careers space related fields publication enormously successful distributed 2000 copies space enthusiasts across country even sent people great britain , australia , due tremendous response first edition , pps published expanded , date second edition guide 40 page publication boasts 69 listings summer full time job opportunities well graduate school programs second edition space jobs features strategies entering space field describes positions consulting engineering firms , nasa , non profit organizations expanded special section graduate schools highlights myriad programs ranging space manufacturing space policy additional sections include tips becoming astronaut listings nasa space grant fellowships , well nasa centers commercial development space order send check money order made payable princeton planetary society 4 per copy , plus 1 per copy shipping handling \( non us customers send international money order payable us dollars \) princeton planetary society 315 west college princeton university princeton , nj dc x single stage orbit \( ssto \) program sdi 's ssrt \( single stage rocket technology \) project funded suborbital technology demonstrator called dc x fly mid 1993 development towards operational single stage orbit vehicle \( called delta clipper \) uncertain present collection pictures files relating dc x available anonymous ftp email server directory bongo cc utexas edu pub delta clipper chris w johnson \( chrisj emx cc utexas edu \) maintains archive name star person official names decided committees international astronomical union , sale purely commercial organizations , fee , send pretty certificates star maps describing find star organizations absolutely standing astronomical community names assign used anyone else 's also likely wo n't able see star without binoculars telescope see back pages astronomy amateur astronomy publications contact info one organization may found international star registry wilson road , il endorsement isr llnl great exploration llnl great exploration , plan cheap space station , lunar base , mars mission using inflatable space structures , excited lot interest net still comes time time references cited net discussion week jan 22 , 1990 article overall great exploration nasa assessment llnl space exploration proposal llnl responses dr lowell wood llnl doc ss 90 9 address po box 808 livermore , ca 94550 \( nasa authors unknown \) briefing slides presentation nrc last december may available write llnl ask conceptual design study modular inflatable space structures , final report purchase order dover inc n't know get except llnl dover n't address lunar prospector lunar exploration inc \( lei \) non profit corporation working privately funded lunar polar orbiter lunar prospector designed perform survey search frozen poles set reference files describing project available ames arc nasa gov pub space lei lunar science activities grant h , david , bevan french \( editors \) , lunar , user 's guide moon , cambridge university press 1991 , isbn 0 521 6 hardcover expensive one volume encyclopedia essentially everything known moon , reviewing current knowledge considerable depth , copious references heavy emphasis geology , lot besides , including considerable discussion past lunar missions practical issues relevant future mission design reference book moon others obsolete wendell mendell \( ed \) , lunar bases space activities 21st century , 15 every serious student lunar bases must book bill higgins available lunar planetary institute nasa road one houston , tx 77058 want order books , call \( 713 \) 486 thomas mutch , geology moon view , princeton university press , 1970 information lunar orbiter missions , including maps coverage lunar farside various orbiters orbiting earth satellite histories list earth orbiting satellites \( still orbit \) available anonymous ftp ames arc nasa gov pub space faq satellites spacecraft models space miniature 2 gemini michael j lane , st louis , mo 7 50 enough pictures diagrams interest modelling community , feel marco 's , mass produced 1 144 skylab edition 500 1 48 lunar rover \( scale lunar modules \) similar edition prices 45 skylab , 24 check postage etc connection , found service good stock rare old kits impressive prices range reasonable \( 35 1 32 scale apollo csm details \) spectacular \( 145 vostok \) four star p box 658 mass , usa \( 508 \) 957 voyager , hst , viking , lunar rover etc kits lunar models , texas \( 214 \) 475 reviewed bob peter alway 's book scale model rocketry available mine arrived mail earlier week get copy , send 19 95 2 50 h \( 22 45 total \) peter alway ann arbor , mi book includes information collecting scale data , construction scale models , several handy tables include plans 3 sport scale models , 1 9 22 region tomahawk \( \) , 1 40 v 2 \( \) , 1 9 16 aerobee 150a \( 60 \) 've begun study book , certainly valuable data source many vehicles include several paragraphs text describing missions flown rocket , various specs including engine classification , along drawing , color layouts paint pattern , black white photograph vehicles included aerobee 150a , aerobee 300 , aerobee hi , , asp , 1500 , , atlas centaur , atlas , atlas score , baby wac , region tomahawk , , delta b , delta e , gemini titan ii , iris , javelin , juno 1 , juno 2 , little joe 1 , little joe 2 , mercury atlas , mercury , nike apache , nike asp , nike , nike , nike tomahawk , ram b , saturn 1 block 1 , saturn 1 block 2 , saturn 1b , saturn 5 , scout , standard aerobee , , thor able , titan iii c , titan iii e , 1 , v 2 , , viking model 1 , viking model 2 , wac rocket propulsion george p sutton , rocket propulsion elements , 5th edn , wiley 1986 , isbn 0 471 9 pricey textbook best \( nearly \) modern introduction technical side rocketry good place start want know details math shy straight chemical rockets , essentially nothing advanced propulsion \( although earlier editions reportedly coverage \) dieter k david h huang , design liquid propellant rocket engines , nasa sp 125 ntis pc mf a01 1971 print may obtained ntis \( expensive \) complete authoritative guide designing liquid fuel engines reference 1 chapters sutton heavy emphasis practical issues , works n't , typical values fudge factors stiff reading , massive detail written rocket engineers rocket engineers spacecraft design n , design geosynchronous spacecraft , prentice hall , isbn 0 13 4 james r ed , spacecraft attitude determination control , , isbn 90 277 1204 2 p r k , satellite technology applications , mcgraw hill , isbn 0 8306 1 james r wiley j larson \( editors \) , space mission analysis design , academic publishers \( boston london \) 1991 , isbn 0 5 \( paperback \) , 0 7 \( \) looks system level design spacecraft , rather detailed design 23 chapters , 4 appendices , 430 pages leads reader mission design system level design fictitious earth observation satellite , illustrate principles tries convey warning although book full many useful reference tables , numbers least one tables \( launch costs various launchers \) appear quite wrong ordered telephone , using credit card 's phone number \( 617 \) 871 6600 cost 34 50 esoteric propulsion schemes \( solar sails , lasers , fusion \) needs date references , 's start antimatter antiproton annihilation propulsion , robert forward tr 85 034 air force rocket propulsion laboratory \( , stop 24 , edwards air force base , ca 5000 \) ntis ad 734 0 pc a10 mf a01 pc paper copy , a10 90 maybe price code \? mf , a01 90 technical study making , holding , using antimatter near term \( 30 50 years \) propulsion systems excellent bibliography forward best known proponent antimatter also may available tr 85 55 contractor , university dayton research institute , ad defense technical information center , defense logistics agency , cameron station , alexandria , va 22304 's also available ntis , yet another number advanced space propulsion study , antiproton power propulsion , robert forward tr 87 air force astronautics laboratory , ad 218 ntis ad 218 1 pc a10 mf a01 summarizes previous paper , goes detail power systems including 1 \) pellet , microwave , laser power systems transport 2 \) design near relativistic laser pushed using near term laser technology 3 \) survey laser thermal propulsion , tether transportation systems , antiproton annihilation propulsion , exotic applications solar sails , laser pushed interstellar 4 \) status antiproton annihilation propulsion 1986 5 \) prospects obtaining antimatter ions heavier , extensive bibliography application antimatter electric power interstellar propulsion , g , jbis interstellar studies issue 6 90 ramjets related methods g l matloff j , interstellar applications limitations several electrostatic electromagnetic ion collection techniques , jbis 30 \( 1977 \) 213 222 n h langston , erosion interstellar drag screens , jbis 26 \( 1973 \) 481 484 c powell , flight dynamics ram augmented interstellar rocket , jbis 28 \( 1975 \) 553 562 r martin , effects drag relativistic , jbis 25 \( 1972 \) 643 652 fusion laser fusion rocket interplanetary propulsion , roderick , llnl report \( contact technical information dept livermore \) fusion pellet design fuel selection energy loss mechanisms pellet compression metrics thrust chamber magnetic shielding breeding thermal modeling fusion driver \( lasers , particle beams , etc \) heat rejection vehicle summary mass estimates vehicle performance interstellar travel required exhaust velocities limit fusion 's capability interplanetary missions limited power weight ratio trajectory modeling typical mission profiles references , including 1978 report jbis , project daedalus , several icf driver technology fusion electric propulsion , robert w , journal propulsion power , vol 6 , 5 , sept oct 1990 fusion rocket engines analyzed electric propulsion systems , propulsion thrust power input power ratio \( thrust power gain g \( \) \) much greater unity gain values conventional \( solar , fission \) electric propulsion systems always quite small \( e g , g \( \) 0 8 \) , high thrust interplanetary flight possible , system acceleration \( \( \) \) capabilities always less local gravitational acceleration contrast , gain values 50 100 times higher found fusion concepts , offer high thrust flight capability one performance example shows 53 3 day \( 34 4 powered 18 9 coast \) , one way transit time 19 payload single stage earth mars vehicle another shows potential high acceleration \( \( \) 0 \( \) \) flight earth moon space qed engine system direct electric fusion powered systems aerospace flight propulsion robert w , 1190 03 , available energy matter conversion corp , 9100 center street , , va introduction application 's version hirsch electrostatic confinement fusion technology propulsion 1500 isp 5000 sec hirsch demonstrated 10 10 neutron flux device back 1969 dropped panic ensued surprising stability soviet hirsch , responsible panic , recently back working qed jim star power energy intensive space applications , paul , eight ans topical meeting technology fusion energy , special issue fusion technology , march 1989 energy \( fusion little negligible neutron flux \) requires plasma pressures stable confinement times larger delivered current approaches plasma pressures appropriate burn times order milliseconds could achieved fuels , high power densities compact , clean burning engines space special applications would hand innovation make possible unique pressure efficient structure , exceptional stability , fluid mechanically mantle direct inductive mhd electric power conversion advantages described peak burn densities tens per cc give even multi electric output size engineering advantages indicate rapid development schedule modest cost strongly recommend people take guy seriously bob hirsch , primary proponent , recently declared 's precursor , , one 3 promising fusion technologies pursued rather aside preceeding appeal authority , looks like finally models ball lightning solid mhd physics jim ion drives retrieve files pub space spacelink 6 5 2 ames space archive deal many aspects ion drives describe ii missions , flight tested ion thrusters 1960s 70s numerous references mass drivers \( , \) ieee transactions magnetics \( example , v 27 1 , january 1991 issue \) every often publish proceedings symposium electromagnetic launcher technology , including hundreds papers subject 's good look state art , though perhaps good tutorial beginners anybody know good review papers \? nuclear rockets \( fission \) technical notes nuclear rockets , bruce w knight donald , unpublished may available donald , math dept , mcgill university , po box , station , montreal , quebec m3c canada solar sails solar sails interstellar travel louis friedman , wiley , new york , 1988 , 146 pp , paper 9 95 \( technical , adequate overview \) interstellar travel using laser pushed \( journal spacecraft rockets , vol 21 , pp 187 95 , jan feb 1984 \) asteroids artificial gravity assist solar system , p h l mayer , journal spacecraft rockets jan feb 1986 details spacecraft kevlar tether mass change velocity slightly less 1 km sec travelling velocity wrt suitable asteroid general alternate propulsion energy sources , robert forward tr 83 067 ntis ad 771 1 pc mf a01 dec 83 keywords propulsion energy , helium , free radical hydrogen , solar pumped \( sic \) , antiproton , lasers , solar sails , sails , microwave sails , quantum fluctuations , antimatter rockets 's wide , deep , look exotic energy sources might useful space propulsion also considers various kinds laser propulsion , metallic hydrogen , , unconventional nuclear propulsion bibliographic information , pointing research stuff , belongs every 's shelf future magic dr robert l forward , avon , 1988 isbn 0 380 4 nontechnical discussion , antimatter , gravity control , even topics spy satellites deep black , william burrows best modern general book 1 \) base debate us satellite station , des ball , allen australia , 1987 isbn 0 04 4 covers dsp early warning satellites 2 \) pine gap australia us geostationary signals intelligence satellite program , des ball , allen australia , 1988 isbn 0 04 5 covers rhyolite , , magnum signals intelligence satellites 3 \) guardians strategic reconnaissance satellites , curtis , 1987 , ian allan , isbn 0 good mol , military salyut soviet satellites , less others tends believe 's told flaws discussion dsp , rhyolite et al 4 \) america 's secret eyes space spy satellite program , jeffrey , 1990 , harper row , isbn 0 285 8 class , historical reference satellites 5 \) secret space , philip j , 1971 long print well worth look space shuttle computer systems j communications acm v 27 n 9 september 1984 k special issue space shuttle computers myron avionics manned spacecraft j ieee transactions aerospace electronic systems v 25 n 6 november 1989 p 786 827 various aiaa ieee publications computers spaceflight nasa experience james e 1988 \? seti computation \( signal processing \) k ivan r bernard oliver signal processing seti j communications acm v 28 n 11 november 1984 p 1163 k cr categories subject 4 1 operating systems process management 5 4 pattern recognition applications signal processing j 2 sciences engineering astronomy general terms design additional key words phrases digital fourier transforms , finite impulse response filters , interstellar communications , search extra terrestrial intelligence , signal detection , spectrum analysis amateur weather satellites fairly long writeup receiving interpreting weather satellite photos available ames space archive pub space faq american radio relay league publication service offers following references \( also see section amsat space groups segment faq \) arrl satellite experimenters handbook , , 20 arrl weather satellite handbook , , 20 ibm pc software weather satellite handbook , , 10 amsat na 5th space symposium , , 12 amsat na 6th space symposium , , 12 shipping extra american radio relay league publications department 225 main street newington , ct \( 203 \) 666 1541 tides srinivas contributed writeup tides , available ames space archive pub space faq tides covers following areas 2 example tidal treatment tidal fields practice long term evolution earth moon system tides writeup refers following texts geophysical k tides planet earth p next faq 6 15 constants equations calculations
rnichols cbnewsg cb att com \( robert k nichols \) subject moving icons organization distribution na lines 15 article viamar uucp rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry writes remember reading program made windows icons run away mouse moved near anyone know name program ftp location \( probably cica \) 's program called icon included book stupid windows tricks bob ed \( addison wesley , 1992 \) 's freeware 's net anywhere , 'll happily email copy someone 's willing upload \( ca n't upload internet firewall \) bob nichols bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com
chris sarah lerc nasa gov \( chris johnston \) subject one day graphics composites seminar organization nasa lewis research center , cleveland , oh lines 47 distribution world reply chris sarah lerc nasa gov \( chris johnston \) nntp posting host looney lerc nasa gov , ncga , university akron , nasa lewis research center sponsoring computers composites one day seminar devoted practical applications computer workstations efficient processing , design , manufacture composites may 18 , 1993 university akron akron , ohio speakers advancement graphics visualization dr jay horowitz , nasa integrated product development mr michael r cowen network workstations aircraft structural analysis mr brian , nasa mr jason williams , penn state erie molecular physical modeling dr , curing university akron process modeling matrix composites dr ram , ge corporate r registration fees 75 00 advance , 100 00 site \( includes box lunch \) contact gary roberts , nasa lewis research center \( 216 \) 433 344 write regional seminar c gary roberts nasa lewis research center 21000 brookpark rd ms 49 1 cleveland , ohio 44135 email , 'll get gary chris johnston \( 216 \) 433 materials engineer \( 216 \) 433 nasa lewis research center internet chris sarah lerc nasa gov 21000 brookpark rd ms 105 1 cleveland , oh usa resistance futile !
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject clipper considered harmful organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 42 distribution inet nntp posting host access digex net criminals badly want inscrutable tactical communications \( specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents key escrow cite threats \) highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user , kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed rough manner \? much professional steal chip phone even replace pin compatible nothing chip encrypt chances victim notice anything , especially done professionally assuming bad guys easily obtain substitute chips n't cause noticeable effect either user person end line \( significant difficulty obtaining chips , criminals decide fall back murder method \) suitable collection devices stolen , criminals communicate impunity \( assuming cipher system carries trapdoors apart key escrow \) unless compromise discovered means , feds still able decrypt conversations true , 'll blame wrong guys , nevertheless one cannot say something like drugs arrive tommorrow ship feds listening , even cannot identify speaker assumes feds tapping clipper phones belonging ordinary citizens \( getting phone whole point crime discussion \) sure , would n't put past raising possibility crime benefit forcing feds either intentions advance state using clipper exposes user additional criminal threat g , criminals use secure encryption new proposal stop criminals ensures government able wiretap average citizen stops casual snooper , also clearly looks step towards outlawing strong encryption devices agreed
kaiser informatik uni koblenz de \( siegfried kaiser \) subject r5 table widget causing trouble xtquerygeometry organization universitaet koblenz lines 227 distribution world nntp posting host glass uni koblenz de contents problems table widgets r5 following part program \( user interface simulation system \) work r4 , refused r5 cause , r4 version know \( used instead caught net times r3 \) \( formerly \) since compiling r5 , program causes zero width height error \( sparc stations \) trouble shooter \( \) computation model init table table widget though childs \( label widgets \) exist , xtquerygeometry returns prefered width height zero thus following cannot perform anything else set width height newly created widget zero wonder child create zero width height errors \( dependent whether width height shell widget set resource file \) question anyone know , xtquerygeometry returns low prefered values working table widgets perhaps \? 'll happy , someone able help germans requested answer german siegfried kaiser email kaiser uni koblenz de part interest des model init storing old width height viewport widget , parent troubling table widget , viewport widget destroyed destroying widgets resizing r3 age \( model init popped \) \( model init form view \) xtdestroywidget \( model init form view \) creating within shell , root viewport widget n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , , model init title \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , model init button view \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , true \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , true \) n model init form view \( form view , , model init form , args , n \) n 0 model init table \( table , , model init form view , args , n \) create form widget create position table widget 's childs position uses r5 r4 create form widget \( ptr model init obj , model init table \) crucial function call intended return maximum height possible n't sufficient space show whole table widget , viewport shall grow large possible , beyond border screen enough space , window intended smallest possible height xtquerygeometry \( model init table , null , pref \) according algorithms idea , new value viewport widget 's height selected unfortunately pref height 0 leads new height 0 \( form view height pref height \) new height pref height else new height form view height setting new values viewport widgets ancestors w \( model init form , form view \) xtresizewidget \( w , width , new height , pref border width \) xtresizewidget \( model init form view , width , new height , pref border width \) \( model init popped \) case shell , contains model init form view model init table , allready exists , resized , n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , , shell width \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , shell height \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , shell bw \) n xtgetvalues \( model init shell , args , n \) xtresizewidget \( model init shell , shell width , shell height height new height , shell bw \) end n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , , width \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , bw \) n xtgetvalues \( model init button view , args , n \) xtresizewidget \( model init button view , width , new height , bw \) xtresizewidget \( vert bar , width , 1 , bw \) resize inits \( \) shell 's height set within resource file , program terminates within first second pass observed function first pass succeeds \( model init form view \) \( model init table \) \( ! model init popped \) case shell n't popped done value set shell 's height within resource file , program terminates \( model init shell , \) model init pop flag true set model init attributes \( \) end get actual init \( ptr actual \) load form \( ptr actual \) someone suspects creation table widget 's contents causes trouble , sources create form create form widget \( ptr , table \) obj ptr widget table ptr linear list containing attributes para meters model additionally ding widgets arg args 10 int n , row , col obj ptr obj ident ptr ident initialization local variables ptr obj ptr col 0 row 0 die das pseudo \( fuer die parameter \) loop list objects pseudo objects every object occuring model zero attributes parameters , shared several objects locality attributes one object listed second linear list \( type ident \) , whereas parameters , belong ob put together pseudo object thus program loops list objects pseudo objects object list attributes resp parameters \( ptr obj ! \( obj \) null \) object pseudo object represented label widget n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , xtnlabel , ptr obj name \) n ptr obj label w xtcreatemanagedwidget \( object , , table , args , n \) \( ptr obj label w , col , row \) col row ptr ident ptr obj ident die attribute parameter \( ptr ident ! \( ident \) null \) attribute parameter represented label corresponding widget , initialized n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , xtnlabel , ptr ident name \) n ptr ident label w xtcreatemanagedwidget \( ident , , table , args , n \) \( ptr ident label w , col , row \) col n 0 xtsetarg \( args n , , row length \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , ptr ident text \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , \) n xtsetarg \( args n , , true \) n ptr ident text w xtcreatemanagedwidget \( text , , table , args , n \) \( ptr ident text w , col , row \) col row get next ident \( ptr ident \) end col get next obj \( ptr obj \) end end create form widget far problem detail
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q twg com \( michael \) subject quicken 6 vs tobias' managing money summary comparisons q6 tobias' mym \? keywords quicken tobias organization wollongong group , palo alto , ca lines 19 got copy tobias' managing money v9 0 quicken 6 , 's wonderful things , mym seems features q6 n't example , q6 n't seem able handle monthly automatic deductions checking account \( know , monthly payment gets electronically deducted every month checking account \) something i'm right , q6 actually \? anyway , mym seems able handle monthly deductions fact , apparently better , specify monthly , bimonthly , quarterly , even yearly anyway , anyone aware study two programs \? someone give personal impressions \? maybe someone used maybe someone familiar could give capsule review \? anything would greatly appreciated keep mym , pay , n't know whether 's worth mym better q6 , course keep q6 everything mym \( maybe even better \) , wo n't thanks ! post reply , please also cc thanks
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subject lds rick 's reply isscck byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 159 robert weiss \( psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \) writes rick anderson replied letter ra article acsu buffalo edu , ra psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) says ra \( \) briefly , something mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create , say many christians may agree \? really irrelevant base faith many people think one way another , \? bottom line truth , regardless popularity opinions may irrelevant personal beliefs \( say bias \? \) , relevant many others 're right , bottom line truth , independant anyone else since proclaim truths self proclaimed appointee , may ask authority \? says bible \? bible say , , someone else , interprets whether scripture doctrine conforms particular liking disapproval \? excuse moi , line truths n't moved one bit persuade beliefs erroneous preachers truth net , struck self righteous member wrecking crew , positive message latter day saints whatsoever btw , entire discussion reminds lot things said jesus pharisees ye hypocrite \( \) ye preach lips , hearts far removed also , find rather strange trying persuade created eternally existent equivalent , say granted mormon belief ca n't grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue , address answer point raised , jump conclusion grant sophistry look 's talking jumping conclusions \? would n't , right \? address convictions , regardless whether come biblical scriptures supports points view , reject interpretations without consideration whatsoever bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction lds belief jesus lucifer beautiful example disinformation deliberate misrepresentation lds doctrine former kgb would loved employ jesus lucifer , silly , know \( \) mormon belief children god literally nothing symbolic however , contradicts bible says bible teaches everyone child god correction may contradict would think bible says bible indeed teach children god sense belong follow god satan followers rebelled god , children \( followers redeemed \) god , n't mean created god , chose separate chose follow god plan salvation field world good seed children kingdom children wicked one \( matthew 13 38 \) \? illustrates nicely said children kingdom remained valiant testimony jesus \( shown works repentance , etc \) , children wicked one rebelled god lamb issue satan 's spirit offspring \( followed \) addressed verses copied bible purposefully obscured subject right non related scriptures \( lots nice scriptures deleted \( robert w copyrighted \) though \) ra told , life eternal , might know ra thee true god , jesus christ , thou hast sent ra \( john 17 3 \) life eternal know true god yet ra doctrines lds mentioned portray vastly ra different jesus , jesus cannot reconciled jesus ra bible far removed proclaim correction jesus indeed different jesus , reconciled jesus bible interpretation , concur , honestly could n't care less ra one true denies true according ra bible , eternal life dependent knowing true god , ra construct imagination single posting , 've seen constructs imagination pro lds mails combined read far news group first get lds facts straight dare preaching us true god , interpret according likes dislikes , whose image cannot reconcile know guess grandiose self image allow faiths , believing divinity jesus christ , different way fashion really matters , mission progress lds church go , boldly , mob opponent stop work progressing , visited every continent , swept every , sounded every ear really red herring n't address issue raised , rather , seeks obfuscate fact groups try read something bible , n't change bible teaches sigh bible teaches \? bible teaches according robert weiss co \? respect former , reject latter without feeling rejected jesus contrary way , respect interpretations bible , even grant christian \( following image \) , much christian \( following image heart \) \( \) replies instead hop issue bruce mcconkie whether views doctrine ' n't think matters mcconkie 's views canon issue mcconkie 's writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick may certainly issue , course , love use anything either mis represent ridicule lds church issue official doctrine obviously important mcconkie 's views controversial \( e g seven deadly heresies made heretic ! \) best , erroneous worst \( blacks receive priesthood dispensation \) respect someone made valuable contribution church , personally rely personal interpretations \( book mormon doctrine oftentimes referred mcconkie 's bible mormon circles \) mormon doctrine rather look official \( doctrinal \) sources , hugh nibley 's books ! \( last comment lds reference \) summarizing mcconkie wise man contributed undoubtedly far kingdom god , whose views means dogma accepted doctrine , clearly belongs personal interpretation speculation said , find mcconkie \( even biased speculative moments \) far thought provoking trash coming proverbial pen i'm somewhat appalled allowed sink low posting robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities
csa3 lbl gov \( ad absurdum per \) subject sport utility vehical comparisons \? opinions \? organization lawrence berkeley laboratory berkeley , ca , usa lines 21 distribution na nntp posting host 128 3 254 198 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 read road track car driver \( one mag two \? b \) , wondering people opinions differed mags say depending plan use suv , might recommend also browsing trailer boats one pickup , shotgun , 4wd magazines car rags mostly seem consider recently graded gravel ten redwood chips considering seem used mostly robust station wagons , 's probably bad approach , applications demanding , pick information sources accordingly three vehicles short list \( explorer , 4runner , pathfinder \) , 'd recommend 4runner closely based rather robust pickup explorer comfortably n't know much pathfinder good luck , joe another personal opinion people 's republic berkeley
williams edu \( teflon x \) subject zane ! ! rescue us simmons ! ! organization williams college , , lines 28 nntp posting host hancock cc williams edu article andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu writes far simmons looks like total idiot 5 \) leyland accept part blame lavalliere situation ca n't understand management 's fear losing tom prince waivers even , 's use hander like slaught smart platoon also , blaming leyland case , since convinced lavalliere , giving way much time last year regular season playoffs \( slaught played 7 games good average right handed pitching \) n't leyland simmons last year , attempt trade lavalliere last year \? fool could tell lavalliere n't fit last year sorry , biggest load bunk 've seen \) pirates trying trade lavalliere time nobody even vaguely interested b \) several teams made known would grab prince , options c \) lavalliere 's release nothing released , , event injury slaught , lavalliere longer capable \( believe \) everyday catcher since slaught good righties lefties , offense actually improve move toby
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szabo techbook com \( nick szabo \) subject ssf redesign constellation summary automate functions keywords space station , constellation article techbook organization public access unix \( 503 \) 220 lines 89 ssf redesign let 's right time ! let 's step back consider functionality want 1 microgravity vacuum process research 2 life sciences research \( adaptation space \) 3 spacecraft old nasa approach , shuttle ssf far , functionality projects failed meet targets wide margin military commercial users took payloads shuttle wasting much effort tie payloads , ssf 50 billion spent two projects reduction launch costs improvement commercial space meanwhile , military commercial users come superior strategy space development constellation firstly , different functions broken different placed optimal orbit function thus gps navstar constellation 12 hour orbits , clarke orbits , etc secondly , task distributed amongst several spacecraft constellation , providing redundancy full coverage needed ssf 's 3 main functions require quite different environments also prime candidates 1 microgravity constellation comet mir long duration flights , shuttle spacelab short duration flights best strategy area inexpensive , incremental improvement installation u facilities mir , shuttle mir , transition shuttle spacelab much less expensive ssto spacehab comet ssto comet might also expand research program take advantage interesting space environments , eg high radiation van allen belt gas plasma comet tails comet system much easily tasks , station large launch beyond leo 2 need study life sciences microgravity , also lunar martian , radiation environments deep space instead protected shelter leo long term , low priority project , since astronauts little practical use space program costs come orders magnitude furthermore , using astronauts severely restricts scope investigation , sample size propose , constellation tether satellites test various levels gravity super van allen belt orbits representative radiation environment encountered earth moon , earth mars , earth asteroid , etc trips life support machinery might operated real time earth thru vr interface several orbital missions flown , follow ons act lunar martian surface , testing actual environment low cost billions spent astronauts 3 far largest market spacecraft servicing clarke orbit propose fleet small robots small test satellites ground engineers practice skills place , robots pry stuck solar arrays antennas , attach solar battery power packs , inject fuel , etc fleet working , spun commercial company \( \) work comsat companies develop comsat module standards applying successful constellation strategy , getting rid failed centralized strategy sts old ssf , radically improved capability program greatly cutting cost fraction ssf 's , fix satellites satellites , study life 's adaptation much large representative variety space environments , microgravity vacuum research inexpensively , needed , special purpose orbits n b , apply constellation strategy space exploration well , greatly cutting cost increasing functionality mars network two good examples set network native propellant plants mars used fuel planet wide rover ballistic hopper prospecting sample return descendants 's technology used mars surface test closed ecology mars low cost nick szabo szabo com
cdkaupan eos ncsu edu \( carl david kaupang \) subject stop predicting originator cdkaupan 106ps eos ncsu edu reply cdkaupan eos ncsu edu \( carl david kaupang \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 10 really annoying see predictions net really cares think win \? please stop predictions , know caps going win cup , let go david kaupang cdkaupan eos ncsu edu
daveb pogo wv tek com \( dave butler \) subject new biblical contradictions answered \( judas \) organization tektronix , inc , wilsonville , lines 82 produced error last week chorion \( way mr decenso , really looked index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon would found word acts lot kleros , chorion stated mr archer , nowhere large discussion kleros done theological dictionary new testament bromley , meaning burial plot discussed discusses forms kleros \( eg kleros , , etc \) , various meanings kleros \( eg plot land , inheritance \) , mentions nothing chorion burial plot \( surprise \? \) thus would seem good thing dumped archer reference \) wrong admit handle greek grammar , thus confused kleros , second last word acts 1 17 plot land discussed actuality chorion , last word acts 1 18 unfortunately greek dictionary discuss chorion cannot report nuances word abhor publishing trash \( abhor even others , since present authority subject , feel dishonest , though openly admit ignorance incompetence example \) thus felt honor bound better set research specifically word first noted greek grammar tough first assumed \( nontrivial means , still competent , opaque thought \) turns index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon renders verse order , word within verse put greek alphabetical order thus meaning verse decipherable , syntax far clear hand , greek english bible makes things lot yes , word field acts 1 18 indeed chorion 've checked several greek english greek english lexicon new testament , robinson 's greek english lexicon new testament greek english lexicon new testament , grimm word study concordance , greek english lexicon new testament early christian writings , bauer arndt gingrich new analytical greek lexicon , case meaning word chorion given variously space , place , region , district , field , area , country place , land , farm , estate , bit , similar meanings nowhere books mention anything grave books go great detail , would surprised find books inadequate mr archer competent scholar greek think likely mr archer 's investigations contradictions , friend said , lacking substance , thus archer shown worthless expert witness \( way mr decenso , would presented results matter , even found support mr archer 's contentions \) way , among , \( eg robinson 's \) definition , word used matthew 27 describe field bought word defined field country chorion specifically noted synonym significant , evidence silly bullinger 's exegisis , stated word field matthew \( ie \) different word field acts \( ie chorion \) , thus must talking two different fields \( course already admit stupid bullinger 's exegisis , small drives point home \) , unless mr decenso show compelling reasons believe otherwise \( eg reputable scholar reputable references \) , consider particular issue closed see mr decenso , go answer questions denials peter , day crucifixion , tyre , fact author matthew quoted wrong prophet discussing potter 's field later , dave butler precise knowledge true knowledge , teach exactly , teach henry ward american clergyman recorded george
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject serbian genocide work god \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 22 james sledd \( jsledd ssdc sas upenn edu \) wrote serbs work god \? hmm 've wondering anyone would ever ask question , governments united states europe moving end ethnic cleansing serbs targets muslims \? god use following accomplish tasks \? esp tasks \? james sledd cute sig i'm working suggesting god supports genocide \? perhaps germans punishing jews god 's behalf \? god works way evil , unworthy worship faith revdak netcom com
inf tu dresden de \( thomas wolf \) subject q tiff description organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host inf tu dresden de keywords tiff sorry wasting time probably simple question , i'm computer graphic expert want read tiff files pascal program problem , files want read compressed form \( code 1 , e g huffman \) books articles found describe plain \( uncompressed \) format n't know get original tiff specification , furthermore n't access realy complete library anybody direct good book \( even better \) specification available via ftp \? thanks advance thomas wolf ps direct mail would prefered
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject pleasant yankee surprises organization allegheny college lines 7 article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu \( alan sepinwall \) writes thanks alan , well thought even written entertaining style
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 4 add steve , one time white sox reliever mets system , list greg
wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) subject long distance ir detection organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 44 sburton dres dnd ca \( stan burton \) writes would like able detect angular position \( low accuracy \) ir emitting source distance 100 meters \( better \) daylight ir source could emitting signature i'm leaning toward 30 khz square wave 50 duty cycle considering use quadrant detector inc give information pan tilt head point sensor thus determine angles source considering wazing heck ir led \( \) , possibly motorola wazing would mean least 1 amp current pulses current duty cycle led drops 10 would need cycle five turn get 50 required anyone done something like \? , nailing irleds may suggest getting siemens 2 irled \? unit designed take big current pulses get duty cycle bit output nearly watt \( 975 mw \) real short duty cycle times \( nice thing 2 cheap got mine 50 cents piece , even though buy 100 \) btw , seen irleds outputs 6 watts honest , 6 watts n't book work ca n't recall company name 6 ai n't cheap , around 108 want power , , 's pretty hot also 4 watt , 2 watt 1 watt device line , sell small quan individuals interested , find book home get pertinent info , position detector , might try florida phone number listed 92 93 904 253 seem like nice people specialty passive infrared detection devices , might able help i'm curious applications n't mind saying device sounds like could useful game , although 'd need carrier signal concept 58 8 khz duane
dspalme mke ab com \( diane \) subject wife wants convertible organization allen bradley co lines 24 nntp posting host tinman mke ab com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes help ! ! ! wife informed wants convertible next car jp vllyoak resun com \( jeff perry \) writes fyi , last week pbs show motor week gave results thought best cars '93 convertible category , honda civic del sol achieved honor one side see car interior , looks inexpensive dull del sol must vouch interior really looks top looks lot better person television \( saw well needless say smiling bit time \) \) watch darned convertible tan tho diane dspalme mke ab comm
ani ms uky edu \( b \) subject help splitting trimming region along mesh organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 28 hi , problem , hope help solve background problem rectangular mesh uv domain , e mesh mapping 3d bezier patch 2d area domain inside trimming loop rendered trimming loop set 2d bezier curve segments sake notation mesh made cells problem trimming area split individual smaller cells bounded trimming curve segments cell wholly inside area output whole , else trivially rejected body know done , algo somewhere help would appreciated thanks , ani get human , stay cool , divine
riggs descartes etl army mil \( bill riggs \) subject hard times investments \( subject given \) organization corporation , riverdale , md lines 50 nntp posting host descartes tec army mil article usenet ins cwru edu an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) writes previous article , riggs descartes etl army mil \( bill riggs \) says much land , long run , zero sum game going someone , somewhere , going make killing real estate markets worst thing panic best thing ride end hurts , 're better sell short donate someone else 's inheritance sad paradigm shift coming , chum ride wave ! n't believe wave theory 's much land oh , god , mike zimmer 's replacement \? ! mother law , grew germany , n't believe money started real estate developer , raises horses keeps telling inflation coming back , lock fixed rate mortgage low possible , let spell spell two trillion dollar bank \? maybe 'd like invest foreign currency one would guess come top \? \( sigh never learn \) bill r proposals senate opinions represent seen fit mention particularly employer praiseworthy particularly scandalous ones government agency seems historian 's foremost bill riggs duty ensure virtue remembered , deter evil words deeds fear 's damnation , annals iii 65
garyg warren mentorg com \( gary gendel \) subject need find number phone lin organization mentor graphics corp ic group lines 32 distribution world reply garyg warren mentorg com nntp posting host garyg warren mentorg com article rave larc nasa gov , kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) writes article 20756 2bd16dea ecs umass edu alee ecs umass edu writes greetings ! situation phone jack mounted wall n't know number line n't want call operator place trace question certain device use find number line \? call friend long distance , collect ask speak operator asks , wo n't , ask operator leave number 'll read clear scott even easier , area supports 311 dial recording number phone techs use verify installed line gary gendel vice president current consulting assignment corp mentor graphics corporation 9 woods drive 15 independence boulevard belle mead , nj warren , nj phone \( 908 \) 281 phone \( 908 \) 604 fax \( 908 \) 281 email garyg warren mentorg com
shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) subject live free , quietly , die organization office 'tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines 7 article d0i sixgun east sun com , egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes know sounds ludicrous biker advocate restrictions biking biking forum , n't mean former motorcyclist \? roid
a137490 lehtori cc tut fi \( aario sami \) subject genocide caused atheism organization tampere university technology , computing centre lines 16 distribution sfnet nntp posting host cc tut fi kmr4 1466 po cwru edu kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes wait said humans rarely reasonable n't contradict atheism , everything explained logic reason \? contradiction atheism proves false bobby mozumder proving existence allah , 2 anybody bobby 's post said something like n't know men women islamic countries maybe 's atheists killing female children \? 's personal favorite ! sami aario see measure atom \? yet explode a137490 cc tut fi one sunlight comprised many atoms ' stupid minds ! stupid , stupid ! eros plan 9 outer space disclaimer n't agree eros
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject ain't ! keywords faq , , nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 11 article speedy 156 engr latech edu speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes confused \( like that's surprise ! \) , someone asked copy faq via e mail , wondering proper responce \? panel judges question , answer send one copy , gang faq blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject assistance people nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr apr 24 15 00 00 1993 lines 78 center policy research cpr subject assistance people u n general assembly resolution 46 201 20 december 1991 assistance palestinian people general assembly resolution 45 183 21 december 1990 taking account palestinian people occupied palestinian territory israeli occupation , including israeli economic social policies practices , rejecting israeli restrictions external economic social assistance palestinian people occupied palestinian territory , concerned economic losses palestinian people result gulf crisis , aware increasing need provide economic social assistance palestinian people , palestinian people cannot develop national economy long israeli occupation persists , 1 takes note report secretary general assistance palestinian people 2 expresses appreciation states , united nations bodies non governmental organizations provided assistance palestinian people , 3 requests international community , united nations system non governmental organizations sustain increase assistance palestinian people , close cooperation palestine liberation organization \( plo \) , taking account economic losses palestinian people result gulf crisis 4 calls treatment transit basis palestinian exports imports passing neighbouring ports points exit entry 5 also calls granting trade concessions concrete measures palestinian exports basis palestinian certificates origin 6 calls immediate lifting israeli restrictions obstacles hindering implementation assistance projects united nations development programme , united nations bodies others providing economic social assistance palestinian people occupied palestinian territory 7 call implementation development projects occupied palestinian territory , including projects mentioned resolution 39 223 18 december 1984 8 calls establishment palestinian development banks occupied palestinian territory , view promoting investment , production , employment income therein 9 requests secretary general report general general assembly session , economic social council , progress made implementation present resolution favour 137 countries \( europe , canada , australia , new zealand , japan , africa , south america , central america asia \) united states israel none
dave angmar llnl gov \( dave fuess \) subject winqvt net v3 4 \? article 354 distribution usa organization uc llnl lines 11 nntp posting host angmar llnl gov earlier article newsgroup made reference winqvt net version 3 4 realy \? \? tried archie luck 's probably typo sure would like get one 's real printer problem winqvt david fuess dir , center eecs phone \( 510 \) 423 2436 fax \( 510 \) 422
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject aargh ! great hockey coverage ! ! \( devils \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 37 robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) says mean original poster looking devils victory tape delay , n't happen game 1 original poster , complaint coverage \( meaningless yankee game playoff devils game \) oh ! apologize misinterpreted ! problem , offence taken teams patrick , least dislike devils sad , lover sport , team metro new york area decade still exist non entity espn 's coverage anyways \? \? \? think starts tonight 're getting sabres bruins replacement game \( probably \) devils penguins game played scny islanders caps overflow game sca \( scny plus \) sabres bruins ends early 'll go devils penguins game \( assuming espn follows previous patterns got last minute islanders rangers overtime two weeks ago \) espn 's coverage started last night , accident , one writers pointed , could 've gone wild hog wrestling evening instead gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
msb sq sq com \( mark brader \) subject comet temporary orbit around jupiter \? organization softquad inc , toronto , canada lines 34 questions answered previous instance , gehrels 3 mentioned earlier posting \? orbital elements comet \( dance files \) p \( au \) 3 e 0 1 cap omega \( 0 \) 243 w \( 0 \) 231 1607 epoch 1977 thanks information ! assume p semi major axis e eccentricity peri given p \( 1 e \) p \( 1 e \) , e , 2 90 3 95 au respectively jupiter , 4 95 5 45 au 1977 temporary capture , means comet ended orbit comes closer 1 au jupiter 's take rough indication far jupiter could get jupiter 's influence also , gehrels3 april 1973 83 jupiter radii august 1970 3 jupiter radii 1 jupiter radius 71 , 000 km 44 , 000 mi 0 0005 au 1970 figure seems unlikely actually anything case 1973 figure well \? mark brader , softquad inc , toronto remember utzoo ! sq ! msb , msb sq com pete article public domain
ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) subject motorcycle courier \( reply ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver b c \( 604 \) 986 9937 \( 604 \) 255 9937 lines 19 jl ns subject motorcycle courier \( summer job \) 'd like thank everyone replied probably start looking earnest may , return trip pacific coast \( geographical feature , bike \) ryan cousinetc 1982 yamaha vision xz550 black pig inverness live ride kotrb 1958 ajs 500 c king rat work dod 0863 'd squid could afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver , bc , canada live slmr 2 1a bike , travel quickly quickly computer dynamics bbs 604 255 9937 \( hst \) 604 986 9937 \( v32 \) vancouver , bc , canada easy access , low rates , friendly sysop
ilyess ece concordia ca \( ilyess bdira \) subject greek prime minister shows support serbian criminals keywords international , non usa government , government , fighting , civil rights , social issues article organization ece concordia university lines 67 nntp posting host davinci ece concordia ca headline much better original one read article yugoslav clarinet com clarinews clarinet com \( \) writes belgrade , yugoslavia \( upi \) greek prime minister constantine mitsotakis visited capital serbia montenegro federation tuesday apparent attempt press serbian leaders accepting international plan end war bosnia herzegovina far good ``i came old friend country help solving burning problem bosnia herzegovina , '' mitsotakis told reporters talking two hours president milosevic serbia old friend , whatever ``i come discuss particular plan came hear serbian point view , '' said , adding serbia trying bring peace region '' great attitude someone wants pressure serbs accept peace plan gives territory got force terror milosevic said serbia greece identical bosnian war , started late march 1992 good thing hear anybody wondering serbia really boycott \? anybody remembers gulf war \? saddam kill 100 , 000 people rape 50 , 000 women \? effort pressure milosevic , considered main patron serbian territorial conquest bosnia , u n security council threatened impose new sanctions serbia montenegro implement fly zone bosnian skies still threatening stage maybe bosnians , un lift arms embargo ! military intervention \? reserved muslim countries hear meeting milosevic , mitsotakis separate talks karadzic , leader bosnian serbs ``i encouraged mr karadzic proceed efforts achieve peace region , '' said ``we ready play positive role balkans , '' said mitsotakis real positive might add , favor old course ! karadzic said meet greek premier one sided , tend condemn one bet ! side war , '' said karadzic ``we continue negotiate levels , '' said meeting milosevic , mitsotakis talks president federal yugoslav union serbia montenegro , patriarch , head priest serbian orthodox church anybody still convinced religious war \? psychopath like considered course sent 100 , 000 muslims permanent peace blessings patriarch
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double standard \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 26 article apr 10 05 33 25 1993 athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) writes seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes quebec french , word celebration resurrection pa ques etymologically related pesach \( passover \) pascal lamb french canadian \( mostly roman catholic \) celebration better uses right name \? parents' seder noticed labelling one packages english , hebrew french phrase kosher passover french word used pa ques 've deliberately kulikauskas home keep referring foods kosher easter \) however , word pa ques french word easter ask , whether quebec paris besides , n't heard phrase paschal lamb \( meaning jesus \) \? sorry trivial part thread \) vera clock ! bind unto today vera noyes religion ! strong name noye midway uchicago edu ! trinity disclaimer lard st patrick 's breastplate disclaim \?
mb4008 \( morgan j bullard \) subject speeding windows keywords speed organization university illinois urbana lines 30 djserian flash lakeheadu ca \( reincarnation elvis \) writes 386 33 8 megs memory noticed lately use programs like corel draw computer boggs becomes really sluggish ! increase performance \? turn loading wallpapers stuff like help comes running speed windows programs run \? thanx advance derek 1 \) make sure hard drive defragmented speed windows btw use something like norton 's pc tools 2 \) think leaving wall paper use less ram therefore speed machine could wrong 's good chance 've already done may speed things good luck morgan bullard mb4008 cen uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu derek j p e mail djserian flash lakeheadu ca 'o o' sociologist 's 106 miles chicago , 've got full tank \( \) lakehead university gas , half pack cigarettes , 's dark , u thunder bay , ontario 're wearing sunglasses elwood blues
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject diet crohn 's \( ibd \) organization gastroenterology univ alabama distribution usa lines 36 article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu , jge cs unc edu \( john eyles \) wrote friend apparently fairly minor case crohn 's disease ca n't seem eat certain foods , fresh vegetables , without discomfort , course wants avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn 's disease \? \( saw suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea turmeric \) thanks advance , john eyles jge cs unc edu problems fresh vegetables , guess obstruction intestine without knowing possible say whether obstruction permanent due scarring , temporary due swelling intestine general , dietary limitations patients crohn 's except relate obstruction evidence foods bring recurrence crohn 's important distinguish recurrence recurrent symptoms physician would think new inflammation recurrence , pains raw veggies imply narrowing intestine friend look membership crohn 's colitis foundation america 1 800 932 good luck friend steve holland
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject fyi batf reply waco organization hand held products , inc lines 52 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article elite intel com dgw elite intel com \( dennis willson \) writes february 28 , 1993 , special agents attempting serve federal search warrant dressed clearly identified letters atf highly visible police type badge additionally , special agents announced purpose compound immediately following announcement , gunfire erupted compound , resulting deaths four atf special agents wounding several others fault atf , element surprise lost , caused tragedy statement simply amazes ! fault atf , element surprise lost ! element surprise \? paragraph preceding one , said special agents announced purpose compound , serve federal warrant element surprise even needed , element surprise lost needed preemptive first strike , without warning inasmuch warrants remain sealed u , investigation remains active status , prohibited disclosing information time read need wait see comes fabricate anymore , could get disproven hope responsive letter please let us know whenever may service sincerely , daniel h \? \? l \? \? tt ca n't make signature deputy director always , facts , opinions observations jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject cobra locks organization nec systems laboratory , inc distribution usa lines 55 article cronkite central sun com doc webrider central sun com writes posting alt best methods securing motorcycle got several responses referring cobra lock \( described \) anyone come across store carrying lock chicago area \? available dealerships , turn back order manufacturer directly one made order , least get nonstandard length \( standard 5' , believe \) feedback someone used \? see article shelley u washington edu , stein u washington edu \( david \) writes incidentally , best lock 've found bikes cobra lock 's cable shrouded articulated , hardened steel sleeve lock cylindrical locking engages joints points chain adjusted \( like \) ca n't get leverage lock break open cylinder well protected would n't want cut one without torch vice heavy duty cutting wheel 6' long cobralinks lock used use harley \( n't get much anymore , n't use lock often anymore \) made 3 4 articulated steel shells covering seven strands steel cable probably enough stop , , unfortunately , professionals open rather easily 1 \) freeze link 2 \) break frozen link favorite method \( hammers work well \) 3 \) snip steel cables \( , authority , thin \) set money , get kryptonite cable lock , anywhere 1 2 7 8 thick steel cable \( looks like steel rope \) , shielded flexible covering protect bike 's finish , barrel type locking mechanism n't know 's adjustable , source says 's difficult pick locks , cable tends squish flat bolt cutter jaws rather shear \( 5 8 model \) bets thief die cutoff wheel even durable locks tested yield tool less one minute fyi , 'll getting krypto cable next paycheck later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
gandalf ca \( khan \) subject ide vs scsi \( go \) organization gandalf data ltd lines 36 1993apr16 mnemosyne cs du edu smace nyx cs du edu \( scott mace \) writes article 1993apr12 486 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes almost got hernia laughing one 'll probably get one realize 100 vesa super local bus ultra high tech controller sucks anything , scsi \( pc \) obsolete killed vesa local luck pc bus ever seen happens hook busmaster controller vesa local bus actually slows system bus ide must real nice get shafted 20 100 bucks extra cost scsi drive , pay another 200 300 scsi controller yeah , absolutely use vlb except video graphics ide could possibly take advantage vlb , runs 8 mhz 16 bits people forget ide specifically designed interface directly isa bus \? 've seen come eisa , xt isa , even mca , times 16 bit standard , running somewhere near 8 10 mhz run ide vlb , 's way 're running 33 mhz , would burn course goes scsi , esdi , whatever , none run cpu speed way gain advantage vlb ide hook caching controller suspect would much , much better get software disk cache instead , since get write caching well ide one makes ide disks big 've seen fuji ide drives going high 1g khan
srt duke cs duke edu \( stephen r tate \) subject technical details organization duke university computer science dept durham , n c lines 23 article 1993apr19 bernina ethz ch caronni nessie cs id ethz ch \( germano caronni \) \( actually dorothy denning \) writes seeds s1 s2 change let see straight person knows s1 s2 , serial number unit , 's easy reconstruct uk course , know sk , family key , easily get serial number unit made transmission s1 s2 used batch unit keys , number used s1 s2 pairs probably fairly low course , believe nsa fbi name favorite government agency know sk needs s1 s2 pairs , presto , nasty details like court orders wire taps longer necessary , i'm one people government every turn , taking someone 's word s1 s2 pairs kept around pushing i'm willing believe little bit far steve tate srt cs duke edu reason mathematics enjoys special esteem , dept computer science sciences , laws duke university absolutely certain indisputable , durham , nc sciences extent debatable \( einstein \)
brenner ldgo columbia edu \( carl brenner \) subject update \( help ! \) lyme 's \? organization lamont doherty earth observatory lines 50 article pitt uucp , geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes article 1993apr7 lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu \( carl brenner \) writes see motive easy see physicians call everything lyme treat everything lot money involved keep bringing n't understand 's financially physician go ahead treat unless physician investment \( involved scheme \) home infusion company , financial gain doctor \? well , let put way , based experience general practitioner training infectious diseases , establishing links lyme community , treating patients come wondering lyme decided lyme , saying diseases ms probably , lyme , giving talks meetings users groups , feelings even delusional patients , etc gp go run mill 100k yr gp someone lots patients hospital getting expensive need monitoring office , making lots bread also getting many believe hope \( cure , control \) seeing name publications put support groups , etc definite temptation getting published newsletters hardly something aspire \) ca n't really argue logic , though think may extrapolating bit recklessly appears sample size one even say local pittsburgh guy true , logical fair conclude true doctors treat lyme disease logic , could conclude physicians consult insurance companies make money denying benefits lyme patients money , rather believe encouraging good medicine idea sincere guys , motives suspect physicians believe indiscriminate treatment would really feel comfortable discussing medical issues lyme , rather speculating motives various parties involved gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon carl brenner
nichael bbn com \( nichael cramer \) subject questions new christian reply ncramer bbn com organization bbn , interzone office lines 49 ofm responds query reference works aside commentary , might also want consider introduction books intended use undergraduate bible courses give historical background , discussion literary styles , etc generally good reading typically recommend kee , young 's nt introduction two consider introduction ku translation nt text references slightly dated style somewhat dense , book contains wealth information 's intro also good 's somewhat modern ku 's quite densely packed also authors tend go books nt historical order composition gives useful perspective development nt also good one volume commentaries probably best recommendation days would harper 's bible commentary slight dissent think harper 's ok great one particular problem tends pretty bibliographic material feeling ok quick look ups , real useful study depth \( e g keep copy office work \) \( think may couple books title far know one book exact title \( james l mays , general editor , harper row , 1988 \) although think recall \( older \) series name harper commentaries also 's separate harper 's bible dictionary \( comments hc also apply \) favorite one volume commentary new jerome biblical commentary rather catholic focus somewhat biased towards nt \( reader decide whether pluses \) case scholarship large excellent note completely , updated version jerome biblical commentary , copies still found sale nichael
lotto laura harvard edu \( jerry lotto \) subject countersteering , know know question \? organization chemistry dept , harvard university lines 32 distribution net nntp posting host laura harvard edu reply mjs sys uea ac uk 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 12 30 30 gmt wed , 21 apr 1993 12 30 30 gmt , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) said mike lotto harvard edu \( jerry lotto \) writes understanding ability swerve essentially absent among accident involved riders hurt study mike would agree entirely three paragraphs hurt mike study make distinction ability swerve failure mike swerve \? yes , specifically ability understanding technique absent made lot progress rider education responsibility last ten twenty years still amazed anytime teach erc many people many year riding experience discover countersteering cornering swerving mike everything else hard braking swerving tend mutually exclusive mike hurt draw conclusions one generally mike preferable \? specific cited hurt study formal street strategy , like example , important component rider education curriculum specific skills emergency braking , cornering swerving must taught practiced well , significant 35 rider nothing confronted potential accident , another third collided fell result rider error choice specific maneuver much less significant outcome early detection proper execution effective jerry lotto lotto harvard edu , , , ama , dod 18 chemistry dept , harvard univ 's harley , 'll ride want
grant dockmaster ncsc mil \( lynn r grant \) subject another key registration body bites dust \( imho \) organization yale cs mail news gateway lines 46 one candidates suggested key registration body aclu think poor choice aclu essentially group auditors audit people 's civil liberties administered traditionally , auditors like get involved design operational aspects things , good reason systems programmer , always auditors would come tell us implementation security point view , would n't tell us fix always figured liked , without work help fix problem took stint , found real reason auditors n't like recommend solutions , puts bad position criticize implementation later say , well , told us way would ok compromises independence necessary part 's job taking case hand , suppose aclu becomes key half registrar suppose , perhaps error aclu 's part , key half gets away n't , used deprive someone civil liberties aclu gets wind , wants take court end time side defendant plaintiff , easy position exceptions complete independence auditors one place worked , payroll checks printed , signed automatically signature drum bursting machine drum kept auditors \( also kept check stock \) , brought data processing time checks believe difference situation key registration situation fairly obvious time payroll checks done yesterday , someone wants today , better able produce yesterday 's checks destroyed determining many requests key halves legit trickier process , one much prone mistakes could put aclu protecting client versus protecting aclu conflict interest always , opinions lynn grant grant dockmaster ncsc mil
subject pace modem mora \( mora \) distribution world nntp posting host eng lines 19 hi , 've got pace modem , series four \( made england pace micro technology \) broken power supply 'd like know voltage current values original power supply pinout power supply connector pinout user port use many thanks advance people help please post reply also e mail sender mora email mora eng
jge cs unc edu \( john eyles \) subject diet crohn 's \( ibd \) organization university north carolina chapel hill lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host ceti cs unc edu friend apparently fairly minor case crohn 's disease ca n't seem eat certain foods , fresh vegetables , without discomfort , course wants avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn 's disease \? \( saw suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea turmeric \) thanks advance , john eyles jge cs unc edu
cs cmu edu \( jha \) subject intersection syndrome near forearm wrist \? nntp posting host sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 17 hi went tuesday diagnosed intersection syndrome prescribed want know disease drug thanks
jet netcom netcom com \( j eric townsend \) subject stolen reply dam9543 ritvax isc rit edu 's message wed , 14 apr 1993 21 53 17 gmt organization netcom online communications service lines 17 dam9543 dam9543 dam9543 ritvax isc rit edu writes dam9543 get back work today , look bike dam9543 side nearly shit , new dry rider cover dam9543 gone ! barely two weeks old , already gone , god somebody stole trashed old honda red white blue cover residential palo alto couple weeks ago cover holes burnt around exhaust , etc etc figured kids , maybe jet netcom com j eric townsend '92 , dod \( hafta kill \) fun account work email goes jet nas nasa gov got put wanna play saxophone skate unix die ,
clam com \( george \) subject clipper nay sayers sound like distribution na organization clam associates lines 21 article dns1 nmsu edu amolitor moink nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes lot article deleted space look ! clearly first step toward outlawing screw thread specifications madness n't fought , tooth nail , every step way , 'll crime use screw threads fearless leaders graciously define us clipper standard first step toward outlawing strong encryption standards government n't intend outlaw forms encryption , clipper big waste time money , ask \? anyone transferring data government agency could use would total fool use clipper system add backdoor key use alternate encryption methods \? assume away everything else , one , planning equipment contains clipper technology
flb flb optiplan fi \( f baube tm \) subject area rule x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 12 read refered parabolic cross section rule idea plot area fuselage cross section function point fore aft along fuselage , plot \( technical \) fred baube \( tm \) times intellectual ferment , baube optiplan fi advantage intellect include disclaimer h fermented may '68 , paris 's retrospective time ! !
weber ucsd edu \( anthony v dean \) subject atm organization university california san diego lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host weber ucsd edu 've reading , much confusion , whether use atmanager lately , packages 've buying included atmanager bonus desktop publishing using pagemaker coreldraw coreldraw comes nifty laser disk contains 200 diff types add ttfonts come win31 decent amount fonts print creations hp4 postcript , 600 dpi resolution resolution enhancement technology well get darn good copies good n't diff whether atmanager turned worth run atm \? especially better printer technologies tt \?
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject davidians compassion reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 31 article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes highly christian religious order put fire house , killing people inside i'm annoyed adults , knew supposedly , 's actions mostly angry fact people inside , including mothers , let children suffer die awful conditions considered religious following end , i'm proud n't follow fanatical non compassionate religions might want die whatever purpose , please spare innocent young ones nothing hard time understanding christianity knows word compassion christians , think actions today would produce good picture religion \? kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net surely equating david koresh christianity \? two comparable
subject islamic authority women bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 17 article 1993apr5 ultb isc rit edu snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \( n mozumder \) writes peace , bobby get hell sig 1 \) learn stands 2 \) really mean bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject jose canseco 's swing 1992 vs 1986 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution na lines 62 article ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) writes going videos last night wrote excellent report 1 's much period needs lose 20 pounds , gain bulk 2 bat speed absolutely vanished conservatively , 'd say 's lost 4 7 bat speed , 's huge amount speed 3 open stance killing note acts sort like brian downing way open start , closes ball released downing could without significant head movement canseco ca n't also , note canseco n't always close stance way sometimes , hips open , sometimes , 're fully closed without good starting point , 's hard make adjustments swing understand \( unreliable source \) canseco considered expendable 's refused accept coaching batting stance 's brain trust came believe back problems exacerbated , caused , wide open stance , closing quickly swinging lot torque \( 's paraphrase remember \) event , canseco took road alone would decide stance , 's began believe would either begin lose ability hit average power aside away large sum cash could never touch , 'd never work , 'd entire swing apparently , sound like larussa second , drop 20 pounds cut weight work 's also objected canseco 's open stance resulting bad habits result back problems , 'll baseball three years , could still hit 600 hr , i'm repeating something heard possibly cause effect reverse beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
hwstock snll llnl gov \( stockman w \) subject pentium clock counts organization sandia national laboratories lines 7 anyone list clock counts pentium instructions know integer 1 tick \? thanks , hw stockman , hwstock sandia llnl gov
magnus acs ohio state edu \( kim richard man \) subject syquest 44m forsale article magnus 1993apr17 distribution usa organization ohio state university lines 5 nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu 2 new 2 slightly used syquest 44m cartridge forsale asking 230 shipping included please reply e mail richard
nosubdomain nodomain \( \) subject trains radar \? organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 30 article 1993apr13 usho72 hou281 chevron com , hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com \( haddock \) writes taking extended easter vacation , going north 45 somewhere , tx dallas , tx came upon train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly lanes appeared movement within cab curiosity slowed 85 get better look passed underneath trestle , radar detector went full alert lights lit chirps , beeps , buzzes going strong thought nailed good police could caused train 's radio \? travis boy , travis lucky ! ! went new texas rangers stealth patrol car ! good thing slowed ! newsgroups rec autos distribution world references 1993apr13 usho72 hou281 chevron com nosubdomain nodomain \( \) organization subject trains radar \? keywords
jhwitten cs ruu nl \( jurriaan wittenberg \) subject images earth organization utrecht university , dept computer science lines 27 1993apr18 ucs ualberta ca ken cs ualberta ca \( kenneth \) writes looking graphic images earth shot space \( preferably 24 bit color , 256 color gif 's \) anyways , anyone knows ftp site find , 'd greatly appreciate could pass information thanks try ftp ing pub info jpl nasa gov \( 128 149 6 2 \) \( simple dir structure \) ames arc nasa gov pub space gif pub space jpeg sorry 8 bits gifs jpegs \( great 's though \( try x gif files 're semi huge gif89a files \) watch gif89a dead ahead ! ! ! good luck \( good software found \) jurriaan jhwitten cs ruu nl jhwitten cs ruu nl jurriaan wittenberg department utrecht netherlands
steve hayes f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org subject pantheism environmentalism lines 51 09 apr 93 , susan harwood writes suspect 's one party \( environmental \) dispute thinks earth sanctified 's clear much energy derived called religious left , secular , even pagan fanaticism worships gods nature gender reverence formerly accorded real religions \( emphasis mine \) shk first , secular pagan pagan , shk derived latin , means country , shk fact , italian , means peasant shk paganism , among things , includes reverence planet shk life planet stemming belief life shk , rather something secular , something shk sacred would go , say much damage environment caused secular worldview , humanist worldview , especially secular humanist worldview say secular necessarily avid destroyers environment , sure many concerned environment time renaissance ref western europe man became centre , focus culture \( hence humanism \) consciousness also secular , sense concerned primarily present age , r age come capitalism arose time , power economics became central philosophy n't mean economics exist , simply began dominate conscious cultural values western european society offshoots cultural shift , later stages , accompanied industrial revolutions values justified fundamental cultural shift meaning economics christian view man , steward , creation secular idea man slave economic forces powers denominational differences among new worshippers mammon name deity free rein market mechanism , others forces history capitalist west socialist east environment sacrificed altar mammon situation west e concerned damage environment freedom oppose happening state case steve golded 2 40
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject crazy \? imaginitive \? lines 20 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks nice quote like \( close remember \) say something think crazy , ask mean think crazy ideas bit odd , wall , wilbur orville wright , quite others sorry big degrees , think \( might wrong , error human \) something many ways important , imagination , dreams without dreams knowledge worthless sorry two cents worth two rubles worth \? basic quote idea h beam book space good book civilization fall , raised new heights unfortunately h beam piper killed self weeks short first book published , ideas see light waste
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject definition two \? distribution usa organization duke university durham , n c lines 24 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu following logic could describe two transition period two coming rest high low side \? otherwise sounds pretty good \) richard pierson e06584 vnet 908 699 6063 perhaps 's referring wife child sitting sidecar next one moto \? \) anyone ever heard game called \? \( 's drinking game , older \) andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
phoenix princeton edu \( amer akhras \) subject cd 's sale originator news nimaster nntp posting host phoenix princeton edu organization princeton university distribution usa lines 26 following used cd 's sale 8 unless otherwise marked pay shipping handling costs interested e mail phoenix princeton edu point figure payment mailing procedure artist title robbie robertson love rockets love rockets jeff armchair theatre elvis costello mighty like rose public image ltd 9 cherry raw like bobby brown n't cruel depeche mode black celebration traveling vol 1 bad company 10 6 soul ii soul vol ii 1990 new decade songs love hate paul mccartney flowers dirt simply red stars prince bridge amer akhras phoenix princeton edu
luigi sgi com \( randy palermo \) subject 1993 predictions article odin organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca lines 33 nntp posting host bullpen csd sgi com article 1993apr6 infonode ingr com kenney tribe b17d ingr com writes thought 'd post predicted standings since find posted others interesting sorry opening day completed first pitch \) nl west 2 best teams baseball division 1 atlanta braves awesome starters , offense could concern 2 cincinnati reds would surprise 3 houston astros team signs uribe wo n't contend closer 4 2 4 san diego padres plantier could sheffield 1993 5 los angeles dodgers better pitching giants 6 san francisco giants rockies stink 7 colorado rockies become seattle mariners nl nlcs montreal atlanta \( braves fans , yes i'm probably contradicting said nl west comment \) alcs new york minnesota world series new york montreal hating yankees fashionable nl mvp barry bonds , maybe mcgriff guarantee bonds wins mvp giants finish higher 6th luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax \( 415 \) 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems , 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view , ca 94039 play , go jail 's law
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject opel owners \? nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs lines 26 article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking friend one sitting yard really nice condition , body wise , transmission seized , n't run anyone info cars \? engine compartment looks really tight work , fine shape quite interested thanks ! darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca would manta , would \? \? \? sold buick dealers mid '70 's price leader \? \? \? \? chintan amin llama uiuc edu looks like miniature corvette would opel gt , headlights flipped pulling lever inside chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject vandalizing sky organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 49 hoover mathematik uni bielefeld de \( uwe \) writes article c5t05k db6 research canon oz au enzo research canon oz au \( enzo liguori \) writes hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived pad schwarzenegger painted huge block letters ok opinion long stuff returns earth think revolting hideous attempt vandalize night sky \? even april 1 anymore turns true , 's time get seriously active terrorism unbelievable ! people think , selling every bit promises make money \? guess really deserve wiped uv radiation , folks stupidity wins guess 's true , pure numbers another depressed planetary citizen , hoover n't inherently bad n't really light pollution since visible shortly dusk \( day \) \( course , night lasts 2 hours , 're probably going 're anyway case \) finally n't bronze age , us n't indo european people speaking indo languages often much non indo european ancestry cultural background please try remember human activities practiced warrior caste , farming caste , priesthood act distressed someone 's found way research n't involve socialism \? n't mean deserve die phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
nstramer supergas dazixco ingr com \( naftaly stramer \) subject rejoinder questions israelis nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer dazixco ingr com organization intergraph electronics lines 25 article igc apc org , center policy research cpr igc apc org writes center policy research cpr subject rejoinder questions israelis shaig think com subject ten questions israelis dear shai , answers questions n't sue naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer dazixco ingr com 6101 lookout road , suite voice \( 303 \) 581 2370 fax \( 303 \) 581 9972 boulder , co 80301 quality everybody 's job , 's everybody 's job watch
subject christians law \? clarification pe nunnally acs harding edu \( john nunnally \) distribution world organization harding university , , ar nntp posting host acs harding edu x news reader vms news 1 reply pharvey quack kfu com 's message 18 apr 1993 18 31 38 87 lines 87 going hear christian answer question \? paraphrase whose authority christians proclaim law prophets \( 7 major 12 minor \) accountable ten commandments jesus clearly spoke opinion matthew 5 14 19 \? source pseudo doctrine \? pseudo teacher \? great deceiver \? ok , 's least one christian 's answer jesus jew , christian context matthew 5 14 19 makes sense matt 5 17 think jesus came abolish law prophets come abolish , fulfill jesus lived jewish law however , promises prophets came fulfill prophecies fully obey god 's purposes verse 18 says truly say , heaven earth pass away , smallest letter stroke shall pass away law , accomplished key verse imho last phrase jesus , fulfillment law , accomplished law supposed accomplish verse 19 whoever annuls one least commandments , teaches others , shall called least kingdom heaven whoever keeps teaches , shall called great kingdom heaven taken context jesus teaching jewish people living lives law , makes sense general , appears jesus responding criticism must received away law jesus' intent come earth live law lived fulfill promises made god people way back eve gen 3 15 serpent bruise heel , bruise head jesus appeared away law honor traditions men equal law god regularly locked horns religious leaders day would conform rules , god 's law matthew passage jesus defending dedication law defending almost entire sermon mount \( matt 5 7 \) dedicated helping jewish people understand true intent law , sweeping away clutter introduced traditions galatians 3 23 26 , paul describes relationship jesus law way 23 faith came , kept custody law , shut faith later revealed 24 therefore law become tutor lead us christ , may justified faith 25 faith come , longer tutor 26 sons god faith christ jesus believe says christ revealed , law served 's purpose , e tutor lead us christ , , longer tutor law fulfilled christ said would god , author old law , christ man , jesus , personality therefore , old law new testament \( last testament jesus \) based moral principles makes sense many principles old law expressed christianity hand , law fulfilled 's purpose christians relate god christ , law , also makes sense new practices new established represent mysteries new relationship e baptism representing christ 's death , burial , resurrection \( rom 6 3 8 \) , lord 's supper memorial sacrifice \( cor 11 26 \) , sunday day worship resurrection \( matt 28 , acts 20 7 \) ok , 's one christian 's explanation n't claim issues completely settled even mind welcome christians offer alternatives please excuse long posting thanks interest read far john nunnally nunnally acs harding edu
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject giants' gm quinn genius ! article pegasus steph organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 17 autodesk com autodesk com \( tom schroeder \) writes nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes time span , braves developed john smoltz , tom glavine , steve avery , david justice , ron gant , jeff blauser , among others avery , believe , came phillies jeff blauser \? ! \? avery 2 overall pick braves , behind mark lewis \( think \) 1988 john smoltz came braves tigers , developed braves jeff blauser n't bad player dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
ellens bnr ca \( chris ellens \) subject hd setup partition \( ok set 54 lbs top centris 610 \? \? \? nntp posting host organization bell northern research lines 21 article 1993apr15 urbana mcd mot com , feldman urbana mcd mot com \( mike feldman \) wrote figure 's hope using partition button hard disk setup utility \( dare try see happens \? \) , maybe divide wealth among family members bit getting information section manual suggested trying avenues calling apple , n't mention net mike feldman , motorola computer group , \( 217 \) 384 , fax \( 217 \) 384 1101 east university avenue pager il \( 800 \) 302 , \( 217 \) 351 urbana , il 61801 \( \) ! ! feldman feldman urbana mcd mot com partition button apple 's hd setup lets set ux types partitions let create one normal mac volume need silverlining something similar , however , allow take advantage possible unused space hard disk , n't mind reformatting whole thing chris ellens ellens bnr ca
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject bang 13 , 000 16 , 000 organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution na lines 18 article oasys dt navy mil tobias oasys dt navy mil \( steve tobias \) writes rec autos , cpkjp vm cc latech edu \( kevin parker \) writes 'd like get feedback car bang buck 13000 16 , 000 price range i'm looking car enough civility driven every day , even long trips , hit gas , want feel acceleration handling important also , reliability pretty low maintenance costs stylish appearance nice , n't want car show much go even though many imports fast , n't really want turbo , never cared song sung four 'd prefer v6 v8 engine suggestions , kevin parker 's one car really fits needs 's spelled 5 0 liter mustang ! sorry , said , long trips , reliability , low maintenance cost !
starr genie slhs udel edu \( tim starr \) subject ban firearms ! organization udel school life health sciences lines 19 article undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) writes drugs banned , please tell supply dry \? drugs easier manufacture , easier smuggle , easier hide comparison , sir , ignorant fool knows nothing either drug business gun business tim starr renaissance ! assistant editor freedom network news , newsletter , international society individual liberty , 1800 market st , san francisco , ca \( 415 \) 864 fax \( 415 \) 864 2711 compuserve com think universally , act starr genie slhs udel edu
reedr cgsvax claremont edu subject q lost gospel organization claremont graduate school lines 5 finished reading burton mack 's new book , lost gospel , q christian origins thought totally cool anyone else read want talk \? randy
iccgcc decnet ab com subject david wells lines 5 david wells landed team yet \? 'd think tigers anemic pitching would grab guy pronto ! dc
dbm0000 tm0006 lerc nasa gov \( david b mckissock \) subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization nasa lewis research center cleveland , ohio lines 102 distribution world nntp posting host tm0006 lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr23 1105 aio jsc nasa gov , kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov writes description external tank option ssf redesign deleted mark proposed design joe shea 's committee crystal city , reports warmly received however , rumors hear say design based wingless space shuttle orbiter seems likely yo ken , let 's keep top things ! external tank wingless orbiter options deleted ssf redesign options list today 's \( 4 23 \) edition new york times reports o'connor told panel redesign proposals dropped , using giant external fuel tanks used launching space shuttles , building station around existing space shuttle wings tail removed currently , three options considered , presented advisory panel meeting yesterday \( reported today 's times \) option low cost modular approach option studied team msfc aside , ssf redesign teams msfc , jsc , larc supporting srt \( station redesign team \) crystal city lerc reston folks also site locations , helping respective teams redesign activities key features option uses bus 1 , modular bus developed lockheed 's qualified sts elv 's bus provides propulsion , gn c communications , data management lockheed developed air force power station capability obtained 3 shuttle flights ssf solar arrays used provide 20 kw power vehicle flies arrow mode optimize microgravity environment shuttle spacelab missions would utilize power source 30 day missions human tended capability \( opposed old ssf sexist term man tended capability \) achieved addition us common module modified version existing ssf lab module \( docking ports added international labs , taking place nodes ssf \) shuttle docked station 60 day missions orbiter would provide crew eva capability international human tended add nasda esa modules , add another 20 kw power permanent human presence capability add 3rd power module , u habitation module , acrv \( assured crew return vehicle \) option b space station freedom derived option b team based larc , lead mike griffin option looks alot like existing ssf design , come know love \) option assumes lightweight external tank available use ssf assembly flights \( option \) also , number flights computed 51 6 inclination orbit , options b build occurs six phases initial research capability reached 3 flights power transferred vehicle orbiter spacelab , visits man tended capability \( griffin yet adopted non sexist language \) achieved 8 flights u lab deployed , 1 solar power module provides 20 kw power permanent human presence capability occurs 10 flights , keeping one orbiter orbit use acrv \( sometimes would two orbiters orbit acrv , second one comes logistics supply \) two fault tolerance capability achieved 14 flights , addition 2nd power module , another thermal control system radiator , propulsion modules 20 flights , board power , habitation module , acrv added finish assembly 24 flights systems currently ssf used option , exception data management system , major changes option c single core launch station jsc lead option basically , take 23 ft diameter cylinder 's 92 ft long , slap 3 space shuttle main engines backside , put nose cone top , attached regular shuttle external tank regular set solid rocket motors , launch key features complete end end ground integration checkout 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels body mounted radiators \( adds protection orbital debris \) 2 centerline docking ports \( one end \) 7 berthing ports single pressurized volume , approximately 26 , 000 cubic feet \( twice volume skylab \) 7 floors , center passageway floors 10 kw housekeeping power graceful degradation failures \( 8 power channels , 4 thermal loops , dual environmental control life support system \) increased crew time utilization 1 micro g thru core module
subject ancient islamic rituals livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) organization sgi nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com lines 20 article 1993apr3 081052 11292 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes propose two trends greater level general depression society \( psychological problems \) greater sexual promiscuity linked , latter prime cause former cannot provide evidence beyond stage , whole thesis seems reasonable request people ponder upon pondered ten seconds realised since n't reliable statistics sexual promiscuity , since whole issue depression n't well defined earlier centuries , probably talking crap course , could pull mozumder us , say people sex outside marriage defined depressed ca n't say 'd ever noticed , jon
brunel ac uk \( sunil gupta \) subject rtrace 8 2 0 organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk lines 12 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 comp graphics cad \( cgcad bart inescn pt \) wrote new version rtrace ray tracing package \( 8 2 0 \) asterix inescn pt 192 35 246 17 directory pub rtrace check readme file cant seem reach site ping 192 35 246 17 net gateway fix pe sura net \( 192 80 214 253 \) 24 brunel ac uk \( 134 83 176 30 \) 192 35 246 17 possible upload mainstream ftp place \?
mrr scss3 cl msu edu \( mark riordan \) subject source random bits unix workstation organization michigan state university lines 18 nntp posting host scss3 cl msu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 bennett todd salomon brothers inc , ny \( bet sbi com \) wrote however , unless missed something , source suggested \( aside hardware rng \) seems available , intruder , unix fresh booted , buffers related network traffic believe solution basically uses strategy , without requiring reach kernel sources statistics filesystems \( easily quickly obtained \) output system call also exec finger one favorite heavily used systems , though take several seconds cf source code ripem ripem msu edu mark r
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject systematic genocide muslim population armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 99 article 1993apr5 mnemosyne cs du edu jfurr nyx cs du edu \( joel furr \) writes dunno , warren day heard rumor serdar argic \( aka hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot \) really turk , fact armenian 1 63 \? must congratulate analytical excellent diana writings quoted , perceive , maybe , armenian genes even though 1 armenian , seems many strong characteristics armenian women armenian ancestry traced eliza \( armenian india \) , married scottish merchant forbes union born kathleen scott forbes , married james aberdeen daughter jane , married david daughter ruth married william gill ruth gill , grandmother lady diana , married lord , daughter , frances ruth burke , married eight earl spencer , father lady diana noteworthy eliza also referred mrs \( characteristic armenian surname ending \) armenian scottish gene mix dynamite k assistant professor northwestern university , illinois time , december 21 , 1992 attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make serious discussion impossible , thereby historical record tremendous cloud confusion set straw horses knocked i'm impressed anyway , armenians tore apart ottoman empire 's eastern provinces , massacred 2 5 million defenseless turkish women , children elderly people , burned thousands turkish kurdish villages exterminated entire turkish population armenian dictatorship 1914 1920 outrageous hand still employed today armenia brings depth verification turkish genocide hard match hundred years ago armenians thought could get whatever wanted sheer terror like russian anarchists accepted role models several armenian terror groups like asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle resorted tactics 1980s , butchering scores innocent turks families united states europe seems , different scale , fascist x soviet armenia today source stanford j shaw , armenian collaboration invading russian armies 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university press 1977 \) pp 315 316 april 1915 dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city van , whose 33 , 789 armenians comprised 42 3 percent population , closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april 28 , 1915 , armenian volunteers reached van may 14 organized carried general slaughter local muslim population next two days small ottoman garrison retreat southern side lake knowing numbers would never justify territorial ambitions , armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning first world war decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state , ottoman empire , assist instead invading russian armies hope participation russian success would rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders , army officers , common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia 1914 beginning world war , degree armenian collaboration ottoman 's enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines cut guerilla attacks , armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations , turn massacred muslim population province van anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) subject opinion means nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bnr ottawa , dms software design lines 27 article news duke edu , infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes well , aptly put , get road , jerk , n't wanna hear whining fine fuck well still looks like 've got attitude problem mr take comments sensitivity still despise people belittle drinking driving since first girlfriend killed asshole back '85 learn take verbal abuse ca n't take flames , ca n't use brains , stay newsgroup beav mike beavington ottawa , ont , canada dod 9733 seca 400 seca 400 rz350 v65sabre \( 1994 gts1000 ca n't afford '93 \) mbeaving bnr ca company idea talking !
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject 14 apr 93 god 's promise 1 john 1 7 organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 89 article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes 've asked god several times heart come really wish could believe , 'cos matter much confidence build , universe big place , would nice know someone watching brian k , pleased honesty honest well , believe asked god come say \? things write net , manner write , show made god attempting pass real thing got news n't sound like mine god n't come god n't exist 've gone open mind 've layed beliefs aside time time 've doubt , 've prayed see good would n't see open god , short deciding believe good reason decide believe good reason , believe god \? zeus seems like pretty cool candidate sorry brian , read postings , see open mind see misunderstanding , lack knowledge , arrogance mockery please tell still remaining true true open mind end mockery gain knowledge real god put aside read bible know , truly , reason everything exists god much love depth goes beyond shallow worldly experience person commits seeking god , find god jesus stands door knocks person half heartedly opens bible , opens purpose find something mock , find , learn see nothing thing one gain attitude folly careful jump gun , first glance , many passages bible seem bizarre absurd assured even though seem alien first , confident assured beyond present comprehension , lies deep reasons see , indeed satisfied personally guarantee one jesus put , never thirsty cup even flow king solomon \( 970 b c 930 b c \) glory god conceal matter search matter glory kings jesus says john 6 44 55 one come unless father sent draws john 3 16 god loved world gave one son , whosoever believes shall perish eternal life included whosoever also pray father drawing , seems else would n't posting talk religion misc remember brian , could st paul making paul mocked christians , also pleasure stoning yet god showed mercy , saved , paul became celebrated men history god 's church see brian , better careful judge , could indeed next paul fervor attack christians , one day might find one , like paul , proclaim good news jesus fervor could next peter jesus said peter , jesus would probably say satan would surely like \? peter hard headed , cynical demonstrated great moments stupidity , peter committed task full heart peter apostle faith walk water jesus asked believe zeus \? zeus n't offer eternal life got nothing gain believing zeus brian ceccarelli brian lpl arizona edu
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject round two organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 22 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article serval net wsu edu , bill csc wsu edu \( william e johns \) writes good sam got 300 bricks , delivered first class postage door , expense , bet would change policies mailing lists use facilities quickly lord god almighty parted sky make personal appearance board directors meeting , would also change policies odds equal curious many bricks send cleared satisfaction suspect 5 shall see 'll extremely lucky ever get one ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
rws cs arizona edu \( ronald w schmidt \) subject outlining spline surface keywords spline lines 38 year ago started work problem appeared simple turned quite difficult wondering anyone net seen problem \( hopefully \) published solutions problem draw outline surface defined two roughly parallel cubic splines inputs problem essentially starts two sets points set points edge object treat two dimensional , e extant edges , exists three dimensional space draw object 1 \) fit cubic spline points spline effectively computed sequence line segments approximating curve spline equal number segments assume nth segment along spline roughly , exactly , distance along spline reasonable measure 2 \) take segment \( n \) along spline match nth segment opposing spline use pair segments form two triangles filled color surface 3 \) depth sort triangles 4 \) take triangle sorted order , project onto 2d pixmap , draw color triangle take edge triangle along edge surface draw line along edge colored special edge color edge coloring step 4 heart problem idea effectively outline edge surface net result however generally lots breaks gaps edge surface reasons fairly complicated involve problems problems resulting projecting splines anything problem sounds familiar would appreciate knowing work area thanks
rigel cs pdx edu \( brad davis \) subject sale 386 25mhz motherboard \( system \) 8 megabytes summary 386dx 25 system w 8mb 475 motherboard alone 325 article pdxgate distribution organization portland state university , computer science dept lines 30 recently upgraded 486 found n't really need old 386 'd prefer sell motherboard keep case etc , 'll offer motherboard case separately let decide i'm asking 325 motherboard , 25mhz 386 dx \( sx \) 8 megabytes 32 bit , 70ns memory ami bios based c neat chipset \( means motherboard bus circuitry timings programmable advanced configuration menus let select system , dma , bus clock , wait states , command delays , etc \) baby sized fits mini tower , full sized case \( includes user 's guide copy bios reference manual \) 150 could rest system full size case 200 \( \? \) watt power supply 2 serial , 1 parallel , 1 game ports 20mb hard disk 1 2mb floppy disk keyboard video card \( choice vga \? \? \? \) 're interested , please give call system set house aloha , 're welcome come test drive random drivel keyboard brad davis , ncd inc , beaverton network computing devices pcx ncd com \( 503 \) 642 ncd pc \( office \) \( 503 \) 671
bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) subject armed citizen april '93 organization boeing commercial airplane group lines 22 iftccu talk politics guns kendall lds loral com \( colin kendall \) 9 23 apr 13 , 1993 article 1993apr5 dazixco ingr com crphilli hound dazixca ingr com writes armed citizen mere presence firearm , without shot fired , prevents crime many instances , shown news reports sent armed citizen perhaps , note accounts cited , one shot fired twelve , five described cases assailant wounded shot , six described cases assailant killed shot follow one months posting one reader noted , reporting bias seen months numbers reversed n't keep constant tally , seems particular issue shots fired remember rick
dabl2 nlm nih gov \( b lindbergh \) subject diamond ss24x , win 3 1 , mouse cursor organization national library medicine lines 21 article 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov \( b lindbergh \) writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running diamond 1024x768x256 driver \? sorry , n't know version driver \( indication menus \) 's recently delivered gateway system going try latest drivers diamond bbs wondered anyone else seen followup , co worker 's machine latest 2 03 drivers happens using 1024x768x256 driver sometimes takes minute cursor wig , eventually mode something stepping memory video card wants excluded a000 c7ff emm386 line system ini problem persisted perhaps something specific gateway machine 's components 66mhz dx 2 eisa bus \( \? \) controller ah well , hoping kind problem' somebody seen perhaps call gateway order , find folks usually far know lindbergh dabl2 nlm nih gov
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 19 article netcom com mvp netcom com \( mike van pelt \) writes article pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes cute koresh hit trail maybe bodily assumed heaven would n't make ag reno 's day \? snort sorta doubt however bodies \? time message gets 'll doubtless found bunches , would n't interesting tunnel long gone \? n't killed atf people original raid , think would laugh ass \( actually , honest , still might \) ryan
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israeli expansion lust organization department redundancy department lines 13 article 1993apr14 bnr ca zbib bnr ca writes jake livni writes sam zbib writes deleted sam zbib 's posting confused warrant reasoned response 're getting used , jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject celebrate liberty ! 1993 lines 5 narrative , narrative , narrative c b
rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) subject help reply rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) organization motorola paging systems group lines 46 article apr 21 03 26 51 1993 geneva rutgers edu , lmvec westminster ac uk \( william hargreaves \) writes hi everyone , i'm commited christian battling problem know romans talks saved faith deeds , yet hebrews james say faith without deeds useless , saying' fools , still think believing enough \? ' someone fully believing life totally lead god , according romans person still saved faith 02 yes believe scenario possible either believing living \( least part \) led god , else believing \( intellectually , waiting \( \? \) \) enough especially important remember one judge whether committed , judge someone else guess closest come know someone 's situation listening statements fallible , sense communion one another bit says god someone cold \( e n't know condemned \) lukewarm christian someone knows believes god make attempt live bible regarding passage , need remember letter church \( \) , people body christ \( rev 3 14 16 \) talks works translation could say says lack concern makes sick \( point throwing \) opinion saved faith alone \( \) taught romans , square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian ' out' right , saving faith alone , except faith come alone , catch two meanings offer explanation jesus would either fire cold knew thus could made aware separation children , eternal damnation answer fool according folly , lest thou also like unto answer fool according folly , lest wise conceit \( proverbs 26 4 5 \)
longs lance colostate edu \( xia zhao \) subject radiosity nntp posting host lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college keywords radiosity lines 45 article 1993apr19 aragorn unibe ch , write let 's serious i'm working radiosity package , written c would like make public domain 'll announce c g minute finished good news bad news 'll take another 2 months \( least \) finish using traditional radiosity method , progressive refinement , something else package \? need project patches cube surfaces , technique using \? hardware facilitate projection \? meantime may look file radiosity code tar z located compute1 cc ncsu edu guest username password ftp site \? \( locations look archie get nearest \) hope 'll help stephan thanks , stephan
cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \( bill rea \) subject arrogance christians organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 68 carol alvin \( caralv caralv auto trol com \) wrote new testament \( sorry n't bible work , ca n't provide reference \) , women instructed silent cover heads church , scripture definition , truth therefore absolute women church speak \? cover heads \? scripture absolute truth , seems women speaking coming church bare heads intolerable evangelicals yet , clearly , women speak evangelical churches come bare heads \( least case evangelical churches grew \) evangelicals clearly taking particular part scripture absolute truth \( plenty examples \) reconcile \? problem see christians claim things bible n't actually believe practice 've known sorts christians , ranging liberals fire breathing fundamentalists , although many conservative side christian faith claim bible \( perhaps \) source absolute truth , n't know anyone treats anything valuable part living tradition roman catholic , believe close official position rc church \( perhaps rc would like comment \) particular practice refer usually explained terms social context time would think fact conservatives seem break give big song dance routine \( passages well \) n't directly applicable today would show claim bible actually practice two different things , mostly thread supposed arrogance christians , would suggest problem really , case , making claims bible claimants n't actually put practice step back name calling look people attempting say , see trying express unique place bible holds within christian faith people use words phrases word god , inerrant , , manufacturer 's handbook , rule faith practice church today describe bible , try hear saying look mere words use descriptions false others self contradictory , experience people generally pretty good picking intention speaker even speaker 's words variance intentions biblical example garden eden god asks \? adam explains naked afraid hid adam answered god 's words would said something like i'm tree problem seems arise christians insist words indeed accurate reflections people made determined effort work understanding place bible within faith rely phrases explanations others use hope helps bill rea \( \) w u w bill rea , computer services centre , e mail b rea csc canterbury ac nz university canterbury , cctr114 csc canterbury ac nz christchurch , new zealand phone \( 03 \) 642 331 fax \( 03 \) 642 999
eggertj moses atc mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject really rise \? \? \? reply eggertj atc mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 lines 13 article apr 12 03 44 39 1993 athos rutgers edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu writes real problem christians pacifist preached one god state operates system emperor becomes capital offense jews able get exemption , also evangelistic disagree claim jews evangelistic \( except narrow sense word \) jewish proselytism widespread numerous accounts jewish proselytism , new testament roman greek documents day jim eggertj atc mit edu \( jim eggert \)
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject need info 43 1 suicide refutation lines 85 organization university tennessee division continuing education distribution usa article dns1 nmsu edu loki acca nmsu edu \( entropic destroyer \) writes following quoted tail end \( rather condescending \) article paxton quigley , appeared us world lies , \( sorry think wall street journal \) repeated colorado \( people 's \) daily , student newspaper university colorado boulder study residential deaths king county , wash , found gun home 43 times likely used kill owner , spouse , friend , child kill intruder used kill heart misinformation 's one technically accurate conveys wrong impression mr aware , i'm sure , people read think violent arguments one member family grabs gun shoots another , thereby creating tragic situation could easily avoided gun , tragic accident , especially involving child unfortunately , 's way things stack majority 43 times \( 37 believe \) suicides , someone intentionally took firearm shot intending kill 's popular try blame suicides guns , evidence n't support internal studies , well comparative studies countries , indicate cultural factors far outweigh whether person kill \( japan , instance , slightly higher rate u people jump buildings \) according national crime survey , 40 violent crime commited non strangers , mistakenly generalized regarding king county study mean , friends family , mr quigley , others quote statistic , banking mental image friend , family member , child , equates loving relationship , cut short moment anger unfortunately , often husbands beat kill wives , children assault parents , vice versa rapes commited someone known victim , instance essentially , gun used friend family member n't mean n't trying hurt person crime highest among poor urban families , also areas risk family problems , especially violent ones son gang may loving toward parents disapprove suburban kid might finally , hinges fallacy dead intruder value self defense firearm using minimum figures worked using ncs got 80 1 ratio deadly self defenses \( justifiable homicides \) gun self defenses fbi uniform crime report ncs 's enormous amount data anybody calculator crunch numbers incorrect assume dead body valid means determining success defense , since according ncs \( considered many seriously report defenses \) far successful gun defenses intruders killed also confines home , attack friend family member far , far likely , excludes defense occurs outside home \( believe large number occur businesses \) studies western psychiatric institute , pittsburgh , found mere presence gun home sharply likelihood family member commit suicide , even absence psychiatric illness seen exact data , ca n't comment point canada 's japan 's suicide rate indications culture far firearm availability affect suicide rates also comparative study canada \( 's worth , considering difficulty comparing across cultural lines \) published new england journal medicine \( get exact cite need \) concluded restrictive firearm laws would significantly impact suicide rate david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject using old databooks nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az lines 23 article 1993apr3 hemlock cray com cray com \( alan \) writes jeh cmkrnl com almost exactly reason keep latest databook around many times last years books turn three years ago data n't match current production parts tanstaafl , alan habit trying repair old obsolete machines , old data books information get anywhere else trying find modern replacement obsolete part , original specs really come handy design new books save old ones \( donate ham \) anybody phoenix disagrees , 'll drive help 'get old data books john \( 450 data books growing \)
noah apple com \( noah price \) subject put centris 650 internal bay \? organization \( opinions \) apple computer , inc lines 31 article world std com , jbailey world std com \( jim bailey \) wrote hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) writes tzs stein2 u washington edu \( tim smith \) writes jbailey world std com \( jim bailey \) writes yes , get internal mixing analog cd audio outputs mac generated audio mac motherboard also sample cd audio using sound control panel clicking options button next microphone icon click options button \? 've never seen latest word disconnect microphone cable motherboard button supposed un dim audio simply select cd audio microphone removed n't believe button un , since 's nothing select n't tracked centris check though sorry , assumed various new machines internal cd rom bay worked quadra 900 obviously n't yup , made mistake several months ago issue came \) noah noah apple com macintosh hardware design ! sun , decwrl ! apple ! noah \( opinions \) apple computer , inc
subject lds rick 's reply librba byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 95 article 497 acsu buffalo edu , psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) says briefly , something mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create , say many christians may agree \? really irrelevant base faith many people think one way another , \? bottom line truth , regardless popularity opinions i'm sorry , thought discussing heresy assumed heresy meant departure orthodoxy , case generally accepted belief indeed important issue case , definition word create great importance , since creation issue discussed also , find rather strange trying persuade created eternally existent equivalent , say granted mormon belief ca n't grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue , address answer point raised , jump conclusion grant said given mormon belief disagree mormon belief creation function organization eternally existent substance one ex creation , important point bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction lds belief jesus lucifer correction interpret bible mean something specific terms mormon belief children god literally nothing symbolic however , contradicts bible says bible teaches everyone child god always cracks anti mormons presume tell mormons believe mormons , fact , believe people , including christ lucifer , children god sense created \( organized whatever \) also believe offspring god symbolic sense applied spiritually born thus word used convey different meanings language works , robert , 's making someone offender word dangerous really red herring n't address issue raised , rather , seeks obfuscate fact groups try read something bible , n't change bible teaches first look bible see teaches discount , even address , bible teaches groups differing views self see bible teaches , look bible contrary , robert , red herring show rely wholly bible cannot seem agree says say one must simply look bible see teaches , centuries people one really sure says believe one really understands scriptures \? find rather curious mentioned mormon belief jesus needed saved , put forward quotes late apostle , bruce mcconkie curious part one addressed issue needing saved ' rick comes closest conclusions addressing point let clarify one time refer mormon belief jesus needed saved , rather mcconkie 's belief keep trying point bruce mcconkie source mormon doctrine , keep ignoring \( see \) replies instead hop issue bruce mcconkie whether views doctrine ' n't think matters mcconkie 's views canon issue mcconkie 's writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick may certainly contrary , robert , quoting mcconkie 's words mormon canon question whether canon great importance fact whether indicate general mormon belief would interviewing large number mormons robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject new home bosox ! ! ! originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 30 article 1993apr15 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes agree , though 'd also happy stadium looks like new new park also made baseball unlike three rivers , vet , , etc , 's football park also play baseball 're multipurpose subject , let 's forget shea , designed accommodate mets jets first stadium \( think \) box seats rollers could oriented right angles baseball parallel football first , dc stadium , built 2 years earlier nowadays n't move seats back exhibition games 3rd base lf lower deck used move metal , pretty noisy bat day course , jets gone jersey \( truly good football stadium \) , mets saddled multipurpose stadium , 's circular , seats almost always far action mets announcers kiner murphy particular always hyped beautiful shea stadium , truly 's vastly better fixed , though back late 70 's dump roger \( n't like jet noise \? \)
sml nott ac uk \( steve lang \) subject arrogance christians organization nottingham university lines 60 article may 2 09 51 49 1993 geneva rutgers edu , wrote genius science discovered enormous progress knowledge could made isolating study physical interactions general areas study proceeding logical argument experiment scientific method , attempt disprove hypothesis , fail , publish , others fail disprove hypothesis , accept working theory move method suitable study objects without , objects take interest experiment science progress via experimentation one aim experiments investigate validity resulting models produced thinking process arrogance science assumption many advocates science make scientific method method serious study , one leading knowledge rather belief science one advantage approaches explaining world objective arrogance , assumption arises , since science valid method thought , everything exists must sort thing scientific method study , scientific method cannot study either exist cannot way known anything affects physical world studied example , since part physical world , anything \( including spirits \) affects behaviour observed science make claims existence non existence objects affect physical world since asumptions nature world cannot made subject experiment , bad science believe , well arrogance , , plain sloppy thinking purpose science produce model physical world model must able explain past observations predict outcome future observations one aims experiments carry well defined observations objective ideally scientist except model best describes world , model minimal number assumptions moment models rely assumption spiritual world existing equally powerful ones assume assumption spiritual world non spiritual models fewer assumptions currently accepted models scientific process never assumes present models correct ones , whereas many religions claim represent truth arrogance many theists claim represent truth , cannot said scientists steve lang slang sling slick slack shack thank think thick
hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) subject israeli media \( israeli terrorism \) reply hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) organization ncsu chem eng lines 33 article news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article 1993apr24 203620 6531 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes think israeli press might tad bit biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda since one also unlikely get truth either arab palestinian news outlets , go understand , learn \? one form propoganda reliable another \? way determine try get beyond writer 's political agenda , whether side tim andi , disagree value israeli news sources want know events palestine makes sense get news directly source every news source inherently biased extent various reasons , intentional otherwise however , sources relied upon easier see truth discern bias go read listen israeli media learn news opinion israel palestine form opinions hopefully informed even views n't change brad hernlem \( hernlem chess ncsu edu \) jake call doctor brad ali hernlem \( last wednesday \)
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject accepting jesus heart reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization computer science department rose hulman lines 7 told seem smug post anyone felt way desire come across way trying express n't understand logic wished best life christ 's love , bryan whitsell
jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? organization centerline software , inc lines 26 nntp posting host 140 239 3 202 troy sequent com \( troy wecker \) writes question valentine 1 \( 299 \) good range significant enough 2 3 times expensive others big win v 1 range rather multiple transmitter tracking \( later called gimmick conclusion disagree \) since detector incorporates multiple receivers 's surprising 's significantly expensive added capabilities may help , added value us live areas lot false alarms summary valentine 1 way expensive significantly better performer ! certainly call interesting i'm another person thinks added value might coming high cost adequate radar detectors available less half cost one suited rather well long distance travelling areas i'm familiar 'd probably consider getting v 1 's additional information would useful discriminating false alarms jim frost jimf centerline com
ware cis ohio state edu \( peter ware \) subject comp windows x intrinsics frequently asked questions \( faq \) supersedes faq xt oboe cis ohio state edu organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines expires 14 may 1993 17 41 53 gmt reply ware cis ohio state edu nntp posting host oboe cis ohio state edu summary answers x11 window system widgets xt intrinsics library archive name xt faq version id faq xt , v 1 28 93 04 02 12 41 12 ware exp x toolkit intrinsics f q monthly posting article contains answers frequently asked questions \( faq \) comp windows x x toolkit intrinsics submit questions \( preferably answer \) send email ware cis ohio state edu many faqs , including one , available archive site rtfm mit edu directory pub usenet news answers name faq archived appears archive name line top article faq archived xt faq code fragments public domain contents 0 xt glossary 1 software versions 2 related faq 's 3 application core dump use signals alarms \? 4 use different visual default \? 5 visual application use \? 6 shell widgets visual \? 7 visual , depth colormap shells inherit \? 8 've done still get badmatch error \? 9 n't widget get destroyed call xtdestroywidget \( \) \? 10 exit still execute \? 11 resize shell widget \? 12 ca n't xtappaddinput \( \) handle files \? 13 good books magazines xt \? 14 widgets available \? 15 alternatives intrinsics \? 16 pass float value xtsetvalues \? 17 write resource converter \? 18 open multiple displays \? 19 changed r3 r4 r5 \? 20 resources loaded \? 21 order callbacks executed \? 22 know widget visible \? 23 widget xt , e \( \) \? 24 use xtmalloc , xtfree , etc \? 25 debug xt application \? 26 n't xtaddinput \( \) , xtaddtimeout \( \) xtaddworkproc \( \) work \? 27 implement drag drop \? 0 xt glossary xt intrinsics implement object oriented interface c code allow useful graphical components created included classes provide base functionality object , , core , composite , constraint , shell , , , etc terms xt intrinsics used , however , used precisely mean specific library x window system particular , include athena , motif , olit widget set without widgets intrinsics especially useful widget refers user interface abstraction created via xt precise use , object subclass core class used loosely refer anything subclass object class although accurately called widgets gadgets xlib c interface x11 protocol one layer xt intrinsics typically widget uses relatively xlib functions xt provides services although understanding xlib helps problems 1 software versions following latest versions xt based software software version released next expected x11r4 patch 18 \( none \) x11r5 patch 21 12 18 92 \? \? athena widgets \( see x11r5 \) motif 1 2 1 9 92 \? \? olit \? \? \? \? \? \? xtra 2 5 6 15 92 \? \? xw x11r4 \( none \) xcu x11r5 \( none \) fwf 3 4 1 11 92 4 93 2 related faq 's david b lewis \( uunet ! craft ! faq \) maintains faq x posted monthly comp windows x located export contrib faq liam r e quin \( lee sq sq com \) posts faq list open look comp windows x jan \( jan canberra edu au \) posts faq list motif comp windows x motif peter ware \( ware cis ohio state edu \) posts faq list comp windows x intrinsics export contrib faq xt 3 application core dump use signals alarms \? brief , xlib , xt widget sets mutual exclusion critical sections interrupt handler likely leave one libraries inconsistent state appropriate flags yet set , dangling pointers , middle list traversal , etc note ansi c standard points behavior signal handler undefined signal handler calls function signal \( \) , problem specific xlib xt posix specification mentions functions may called safely may assumed functions called xlib xt functions safe way deal signals set flag interrupt handler flag later needs checked either work procedure timeout callback incorrect add either interrupt handler another note , dangerous add work procedure never finishes effectively work procedures previously added never called another option open pipe , tell event loop read end using xtappaddinput \( \) signal handler write byte write end pipe signal however , could process pipe fills n't intrinsics deal problem \? primarily supposed portable layer hardware operating system good enough reason n't think note article x journal 1 4 example o'reilly volume 6 error 4 use different visual default \? requires complicated answer window three things visual specific visual , colormap border pixmap widgets colormap resource shell widgets visual resources \( another questions deals shells visual \) default value resources copyfromparent exactly says shell widget copyfromparent gets one three resources properly set , badmatch error occurs window created properly set values depends visual used get work \? two parts answer first want application start particular visual second want particular shell within application start different visual second actually easier basic information need available first little harder 'll need initialize much toolkit order determine needed information sample code start application using something default visual compile cc g visual c visual lxaw lxmu lxt lxext lx11 lm run visual geometry 300x300 depth 24 visual staticcolor fg blue bg yellow need move mouse get particular visuals colormap install include x11 intrinsic h include x11 h include x11 shell h typedef struct visual visual int depth options resources visual , visual , , sizeof \( visual \) , \( , visual \) , , null , depth , depth , , sizeof \( int \) , \( , depth \) , , null , desc visual , visual , , null , depth , depth , , null int main \( argc , argv \) int argc char argv xtappcontext app application context widget top toplevel widget display dpy display char saved argument vector int saved argument count colormap colormap created colormap xvisualinfo vinfo template find visual xvisualinfo vinfo list returned list visuals int count number \( 1 \? \) arg args 10 cardinal cnt char name test char class test save command line arguments argc \( char \) xtmalloc \( argc sizeof \( char \) \) bcopy \( \( char \) argv , \( char \) , argc sizeof \( char \) \) following creates dummy toplevel widget retrieve appropriate visual resource cnt 0 top xtappinitialize \( app , class , desc , xtnumber \( desc \) , argc , argv , \( string \) null , args , cnt \) dpy xtdisplay \( top \) cnt 0 \( top , options , resources , xtnumber \( resources \) , args , cnt \) cnt 0 \( options visual options visual ! \( \( top \) \) \) xtsetarg \( args cnt , , options visual \) cnt create appropriate colormap could use default colormap based class visual could examine property rootwindow find right colormap could sorts things colormap xcreatecolormap \( dpy , \( \( top \) \) , options visual , \) xtsetarg \( args cnt , , colormap \) cnt find information visual vinfo \( options visual \) vinfo list \( dpy , , vinfo , count \) \( vinfo list count 0 \) xtsetarg \( args cnt , , vinfo list 0 depth \) cnt \( \( \) vinfo list \) xtdestroywidget \( top \) create real toplevel widget xtsetarg \( args cnt , , \) cnt xtsetarg \( args cnt , , \) cnt top \( \( char \) null , class , applicationshellwidgetclass , dpy , args , cnt \) display application loop handling events xtrealizewidget \( top \) xtappmainloop \( app \) return \( 0 \) 5 visual application use \? point argued one opinion way application know appropriate visual specified user disagree application probably falls category always using default visual hardware specific expects particular visual 24bit truecolor extension \( \) \? application runs isolation depending way server resources may always want application run truecolor mode going mess applications may upset chooses run greyscale instead monochrome example , low end color sun server many different possible visuals monochrome , 256 entry colormap , static gray , static color , 3 3 2 truecolor sgi iris 's offer plus 12 bit truecolor , 24 bit truecolor , overlay plane 6 shell widgets visual \? strictly convention makes possible arbitrary widget know visual uses found looking shell widget ancestor obtaining visual shell widget visual resource , must realize method use visual calls xcreatewindow \( \) also make resource obtained xtgetvalues \( \) widgets find reasonable value probably 7 visual , depth colormap shells inherit \? default value resources set copyfromparent interpreted \( \) , \( \) default visual screen widget parent e applicationshellwidgetclass root widget tree parent widget null , shell copies colormap depth parent uses copyfromparent visual 8 've done still get badmatch error \? resource converters improperly cache references especially true x11r3 earlier versions motif 9 n't widget get destroyed call xtdestroywidget \( \) \? see section 2 8 xt specification eventually get destroyed , immediately intrinsics destroy widget two phase process first children flag set indicate destroyed put list widgets destroyed way pending x events references widget cleaned memory actually freed second phase performed callbacks , event handlers , actions completed , checking next x event point list widget 's memory actually free \( \) 'd , among things caveats trivia , widgets may destroyed intrinsics determine references widgets list , phase 2 destruction occurs immediately also , event loops used , widgets placed destroy list entering inner event loop destroyed returning outer event loop 10 exit still execute \? problem simple entirely reasonable approach exiting application used , calling exit \( \) directly , widget may chance clean external state open sockets , temporary files , allocated x resources , etc \( code simplicity reasons assumes single toplevel widget \) widget toplevelget \( gw \) widget gw widget find toplevel widget top \( top gw xtparent \( top \) top xtparent \( top \) \) empty return \( top \) void exitcallback \( gw , closure , call data \) widget gw widget xtpointer closure data app specified xtpointer call data widget specific data widget toplevel toplevel toplevelget \( gw \) \( toplevel \) make disappear quickly xtdestroywidget \( toplevel \) exit \( 0 \) one see code exit 's immediately destroying toplevel widget trouble phase 2 destruction may never occur works widgets applications work widgets external state might think since works always work remember part reason object oriented approach used one ignorant implementation details widget means widget may change someday require external state cleaned destroy callbacks one alternative modify exitcallback \( \) set global flag test flag private event loop however , private event loops upon tends encourage sloppy , difficult maintain practices try following code instead include x11 intrinsic h extern widget toplevelget \( widget gw endif \) extern boolean \( xtpointer closure endif \) extern void exitcallback \( widget gw , xtpointer closure , xtpointer call data endif \) widget toplevelget \( gw \) widget gw widget find toplevel widget top \( top gw xtparent \( top \) top xtparent \( top \) \) empty return \( top \) void exitcallback \( gw , closure , call data \) widget gw widget xtpointer closure data app specified xtpointer call data widget specific data widget toplevel toplevel toplevelget \( gw \) \( toplevel \) make disappear quickly xtdestroywidget \( toplevel \) \( xtwidgettoapplicationcontext \( gw \) , , \( xtpointer \) null \) boolean \( closure \) xtpointer closure exit \( 0 \) notreached exitcallback \( \) adds work procedure get called application next idle happens events processed destroy callbacks executed 11 resize shell widget \? realized , one n't resize shell widget proper thing resize currently managed child shell widget using xtsetvalues \( \) geometry change propagated shell asks window manager may may allow request however , shell must resource set true otherwise even ask window manager grant request shell resize change position shell , use xtsetvalues \( \) shell , child , within limits window manager granted 12 ca n't xtappaddinput \( \) handle files \? , however unix semantics ready file fit peoples' intuitive model unix terms file descriptor ready reading whenever read \( \) call would block , ignoring setting optional flags indicate block works expected terminals , sockets pipes file read \( \) always return return indicates eof e data result code intrinsics always calls input handler always thinks something read culprit select \( \) system call sysv based os 's poll \( \) system call get around unix system \? best approach use another process check available input file use pipe connect application process pass file descriptor pipe xtappaddinput \( \) suitable program bsd systems tail f filename 's rumored select \( \) systems completely reliable particular ibm aix 3 1 one would work \( several thousand times \) stop event woke seemed result race condition kernel ibm claims fix pyramid , n't work ultrix \( possibly others pipes implemented sockets \) , n't completely broken , although writing side wrote 512 byte blocks reading side received broken put pipe byte time waste lot time reading small blocks \( get detecting situation select \( \) ignore pipe 10 given whole block \) note descriptions used unix terminology read \( \) , file descriptor , pipes , etc os dependent area may identical systems however intrinsic designers felt common enough operation included part toolkit n't also deal signals point n't know 13 good books magazines xt \? favorite definitive reference perspective offers reasonable introduction also goes full details intrinsics started using already familiar xt concepts behind , newcomers may may find useful 've always found accurate complete , means 1000 pages asente , paul j , swick , ralph r , x window system toolkit , complete programmer 's guide specification , digital press , 1990 , isbn 1 051 3 , order number ey dp prentice hall , isbn 0 13 6 also available dec direct 1 800 digital book commonly recomend novices young , doug x window system applications programming xt \( motif version \) , prentice hall , 1989 \( isbn 0 13 8 \) \( isbn 0 13 3 \) course o'reilly entire series manuals x xt o'reilly ordering 800 998 particular , volume 5 xt reference done manual page style 3rd edition extensively goes far beyond mit manual pages i'm finding useful particular , index references manual pages help great deal chasing related information read two periodicals , x resource x journal two dealing specifically x x resource published quarterly , o'reilly , one issues mit x consortium technical conference proceedings advertising 've found informative pretty good depth orders , call 1 800 998 , email ora com editorial matters , email adrian ora com table contents posted math utah edu ftp pub tex bib tex form ftp uu net ftp published ascii form x journal bimonthly trade rag lots advertising articles informative oriented toward less technical audience read see 's going expectation learning great deal \( remember , represent fairly small percentage people \) also , pretty good collection people advisory board columnists call \( 908 \) 563 14 widgets available \? three popular widget sets athena set provided x11 sufficient purposes ugly side recently , 3d look available ftp export lcs mit edu contrib xaw3d tar z motif osf available license fee commonly shipped many workstation vendors platforms \( almost everyone sun \) looks good works well personally think poorly implemented olit open look intrinsics toolkit set widgets implementing sun 's open look specification developed 've never used ca n't comment quality 've heard rumours pain actually get addition following collection widgets also available xtra library widgets sale graphical software technology \( 310 328 \) includes bar graph , stacked bar graph , line graph , pie chart , xy plot , hypertext , help , spreadsheet , data entry form widgets 've never seen ca n't comment fwf free widget foundation attempting collect set freely available widgets included pixmap editor , , others current set widgets obtained via anonymous ftp machine cs uiuc edu \( 128 174 252 1 \) file pub fwf shar z xcu cornell university widgets gene dykes one early widget sets released provides nice appearance buttons mini command language probably widely used xs sony widget set around r3 days seemed disappear looked like promise xw hp widgets precursor motif originally written r3 exists diffs get work r4 r5 , pretty good widget set less died precursor xray toolkit originally implemented apparently provided much experience designers xt xo widget set i'm working 's still primitive give try archive cis ohio state edu pub xo following specialized widgets also available tbl implements layout widgets supports motif widgets children part wcl plots athena plotting widgets \( athena widgets \) contact gnb bby oz au joe athena mit edu 15 alternatives intrinsics \? name language vendor xview c sun oi c parcplace interviews c stanford tcl tk c sprite berkeley edu however much like c admire skill designing implementing intrinsics , hopefully alternative develop next 3 5 years uses object oriented language keep eyes open expect change time language c starts gaining acceptance 16 pass float value xtsetvalues \? first , going wrong structure arg \( essentially \) struct string name long value arg code arg arg xtsetarg \( arg , name , 3 2 \) expands arg arg arg name name arg value 3 2 see normal c type conversions , arg value gets integer 3 instead floating point value 3 2 value copied widget resource , bit pattern wildly different required floating point value , get around \? following macro athena widgets document previous suggestions define \( arg , n , \) \( sizeof \( float \) sizeof \( \) \) xtsetarg \( arg , n , \( \) \) else ld \( \) \( \) xtsetarg \( arg , n , ld \) 17 write resource converter \? courtesy rich thomson \( rthomson dsd es com \) following discussion resource converters assumes r4 \( r5 \) intrinsics resource converters changed r3 r4 allow caching converted values several main types resource converters string data type data type string data type data type \) string data type usually string data type converter fixed set strings converted data type values often used map enumerated names enumerated values name value true 1 false 0 case , string data type converter needs compare resource value list fixed strings readily accomplished use quark mechanism resource manager resource value turned quark , unique representation string fits single word resource quark compared quarks fixed strings representing enumerated values many enumerated strings converter \( many converters , small number strings \) , global initialization routine might used turn resource strings quarks way , first time one converters used , strings turned quarks held static variables use next one converters ii \) data type string type converter slightly easier string data type converters since use quarks n't necessary instead , data type value simply converted string value , probably use sprintf data type string converters useful applications wish convert internal data type value string write valid resource specification file mechanism used provide snapshot application state file snapshot used restore program known state via usual x resource database mechanisms taking trouble write string data type converter , n't much extra effort write data type string converter writing time helps ensure consistent iii \) data type data type type converter used convert existing data type value another data type instance , x pixel value converted rgb data type contains separate fields red , green blue type signature resource converter follows typedef boolean \( \) \( display , xrmvalueptr , cardinal , xrmvalueptr , xrmvalueptr , xtpointer \) display dpy xrmvalueptr args cardinal num args xrmvalueptr xrmvalueptr toval xtpointer converter data converter invoked , argument points source x resource manager value toval argument points destination x resource manager value converter data argument opaque pointer converter specific data specified converter registered args num args arguments allow extra information passed converter invoked instance , pixel rgb structure converter discussed would need colormap visual arguments lookup pixel obtain rgb values corresponding pixel care must taken toval argument following type definition specifies size location converted value typedef struct unsigned int size addr , xrmvalueptr converter invoked , address may point location given size converted value location null former case , converter ensure size destination area large enough handle converted value destination area large enough , converter set size amount space needed return false caller ensure enough space allocated converter size large enough , converter simply copy converted value space given return true location null , converter assign location address static variable containing converted value return true writing group converters , code often repeated becomes convenient define macro define done \( var , type \) \( toval addr \) \( toval size sizeof \( type \) \) toval size sizeof \( type \) return false else \( \( type \) toval addr \) var else toval addr \( \) var toval size sizeof \( type \) return true define \( str \) \( toval addr toval size sizeof \( string \) \) toval size sizeof \( string \) return false else toval addr \( \) str toval size sizeof \( string \) return true inside converter , good idea perform little safety checking num args args arguments ensure converter called properly written converter , need register intrinsics intrinsics invokes resource converters creating widgets fetching resource values resource database register converter single application context , use xtappsettypeconverter void xtappsettypeconverter \( context , , , converter , args , num args , cache , destructor \) xtappcontext context string string converter args cardinal num args cache destructor register converter application contexts , use void \( , , converter , args , num args , cache , destructor \) string string converter args cardinal num args cache destructor r3 intrinsics , routines superseded xtappsettypeconverter whenever possible , newer routines used converter registered intrinsics , cache argument specifies converted resource values cached n't cache converted values cache converted values cache converted values per display basis caching converted values require round trip server good idea \( instance string pixel conversions \) destructor argument routine invoked resource destroyed , either cached reference count zero widget owning value destroyed following type definition typedef void \( \) \( xtappcontext , xrmvalueptr , xtpointer , xrmvalueptr , cardinal \) xtappcontext context xrmvalueptr xtpointer converter data xrmvalueptr args cardinal num args destructor invoked free auxiliary storage associated argument , actually free storage pointed argument \( addr \) destructor passed extra arguments passed converter conversion performed \( instance , colormap visual arguments string pixel converter since destructor would need free allocated pixel colormap \) well private data passed converter registered sample converter code found following files mit r5 distribution mit lib xt converters c contrib lib pext converters c contrib lib pext converters h 18 open multiple displays \? see multi user application software using xt , x resource , issue 3 , \( summer 1992 \) oliver jones complete coverage issues involved answer based article nutshell , one uses \( \) add display single application context \( \) shutdown display remove application context real problems occur trying close display happen 3 ways 1 user selects quit button one displays , 2 user window manager send wm delete window message , 3 server disconnect possibly message , server shutdown crash , network failure 'll assume deal gracefully 1 2 since merely problem translating widget display removing display , read oliver jones article third one difficult handle following based oliver jones article include difficult problem difficulty arises xlib design presumed error always fatal essentially true single display x based application , true multiple display program application things display information x server x error occurs error handler called returns exit \( \) happens way around use setjmp longjmp avoid returning error handler following code fragment demonstrates include setjmp h jmp buf void \( dpy \) display dpy \( dpy \) longjmp \( , 1 \) main \( \) \( setjmp \( \) 0 \) \( \) xtappmainloop \( app context \) \( \) something given display pointer go back application specific data perform necessary cleanup also call \( \) unfamiliar setjmp longjmp , setjmp \( \) first called returns 0 save 's enough information jmp buf latter execution longjmp \( \) return program state setjmp \( \) executed return value second setjmp \( \) value second argument longjmp \( \) several caveats using purpose adequate problems might run resource converters improperly cache resources likely symptoms xlib errors , , may problems total number displays open since typically limited number file available 32 typical value may also run authorization problems trying connect display much discussion comp windows x topic november 91 robert scheifler posted article basically said way xlib change 19 changed r3 r4 r5 \? addresses changes intrinsics first , general changes release described , certainly incomplete , list new functions added others listed brevity primary goal much following information retrieved chapter 13 mit xt intrinsics manual o'reilly volume 5 , 3rd edition r3 r4 addition gadgets \( widgets \) new resource type converter interface handle additional data variable argument list interface define 4 \( added release \) , changed core initialize , core set values added count parameters event handlers continue dispatch parameter added core set values almost specification changed core compress exposure changed enumerated data type boolean core class changed enumerated data type boolean constraint get values hook added extension record core initialize hook obsolete info passed core initialize shell root geometry manager added extension record core set values hook obsolete info passed core set values calling xtquerygeometry \( \) must store complete geometry added \( \) actually works r4 r4 r5 psuedo resource added searching app default , files , made flexible customization resource added per screen resource database support permanently allocated strings allocated strings required several class fields args argument xtappinitialize , , , , xtinitialize changed cardinal int many performance improvements \( summarized article xt performance improvements release 5 gabe dov x resource , issue 3 \) \( \) augmented \( \) avoid string copies several fields class record indicated needing permanent strings using array strings resources callback lists redesigned use less memory translation manager redesigned rewritten takes less memory , translation tables faster , cache action bindings keycode cached better sharing gc 's fields window widget translation uses less space faster malloc space widget name since quark available widget space allocated include constraints several example programs , 26 reduction memory usage functions new r5 \( \) gc fields \( \) get action table class \( \) return resource database screen \( \) register language procedure called set locale functions new r4 \( \) procedure call every action xtappinitialize \( \) lots initialization work \( \) cache reference count converter \( \) specify default resources xtappsettypeconverter \( \) register new style converter \( \) directly execute callback list \( \) invoke new style converter \( \) release cached resource value \( \) release list cached resource values \( \) find call resource converter \( \) invoke old style converter \( \) return display \( \) issue warning conversion \( \) find file \( \) retrieve keysym modifies action \( \) return name class \( \) get constraints widget \( \) return keycode keysym mapping table \( \) read multi click time \( \) retrieve event \( \) obtain selection value incrementally \( \) obtain selection value incrementally \( \) initialize widget class manually \( \) register event handler others \( \) register event handler without modify input mask \( \) test subclass object \( \) test subclass \( \) return list \( \) retrieve recent event time action popping widget action popping widget macro structure offsets \( \) make selection data incrementally \( \) map spring loaded popup \( \) indicate action procedure needs passive grab \( \) remove function called every action xtresolvepathname \( \) find file \( \) return screen object \( \) set multi click time \( \) set wm colormap windows custom colormaps \( \) cancel passive button grab \( \) cancel passive key grab \( \) release active keyboard grab \( \) release active pointer grab \( \) interfaces bunch functions xtwindowofobject \( \) return window nearest widget ancestor replacement \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 xtaddinput \( \) xtappaddinput \( \) r3 xtaddtimeout \( \) xtappaddtimeout \( \) r3 xtaddworkproc \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r4 \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) r3 \( \) r3 \( \) r3 xtinitialize \( \) xtappinitialize \( \) r3 xtmainloop \( \) xtappmainloop \( \) r3 \( action \) \( action \) r4 \( action \) \( action \) r4 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 \( \) \( \) r3 20 resources loaded \? resources widget filled following places \( highest priority lowest priority \) 1 args passed creation time 2 command line arguments 3 user 's per host defaults file 4 user 's defaults file 5 user 's per application default file 6 system wide per application default file note 2 6 read application startup result steps 3 6 single resource database used queries per host defaults file contains applications executing specific computer file either specified environment variable set file home xdefaults host used user defaults file either obtained resource manager property root window display set file home xdefaults used typically , program xrdb used set resource manager property please note kept relatively small client connects display must transfer property size around 1 reasonable toolkits may track changes resource manager user may many per application default files containing specific application intrinsics quite flexible file found read next part describes various environment variables effect file found system wide per application default files typically found usr lib x11 app defaults file found resources used intrinsics quite flexible file found read next part describes various environment variables effect file found thanks oliver jones \( oj pictel com \) following , 6 92 use several environment variables control resources loaded xt based programs xfilesearchpath , xuserfilesearchpath , xapplresdir environment variables control xt looks application defaults files application initializing xt loads one app defaults file path defined xfilesearchpath another path defined xuserfilesearchpath set xfilesearchpath software installed system way app defaults files appear several different directory hierarchies suppose , example , running sun 's open windows , also r4 x applications installed usr lib x11 app defaults could set value like xfilesearchpath , would cause xt look app defaults files usr lib x11 usr openwin lib \( wherever openwinhome located \) setenv xfilesearchpath usr lib x11 n openwinhome lib n value environment variable colon separated list pathnames pathnames contain replacement characters follows \( see xtresolvepathname \( \) \) n value filename parameter , application 's class name value file type case , literal string app defaults c customization resource \( r5 \) suffix none app defaults l language , locale , \( e g ja jp euc \) l language part l \( e g ja \) territory part display 's language string c part display 's language string let 's take apart example suppose application 's class name myterm also , suppose open windows installed usr openwin \( notice example omits locale specific lookup \) usr lib x11 n means usr lib x11 app defaults myterm openwinhome lib n means usr openwin lib app defaults myterm application , xt tries open app defaults files , order shown soon finds one , reads uses , stops looking others effect path search first usr lib x11 , usr openwin let 's consider another example time , let 's set xuserfilesearchpath looks file myterm ad current working directory , myterm directory app defaults setenv xuserfilesearchpath n ad home app defaults n first path list expands myterm ad second expands home app defaults myterm convenient setting debugging follows imake convention naming app defaults file myterm ad application 's source directory , run application directory working still resources loaded properly note looking app default files xuserfilesearchpath , bizarre reason , neither type file suffix defined useless r5 , 's another twist may specify customization resource value example , might run myterm application like myterm xrm customization color one pathname specifications value usr lib x11 app defaults n c expanded pathname would usr lib x11 app defaults myterm color c substitution character takes value customization resource default xfilesearchpath , compiled xt , usr lib x11 l n c \( r5 \) usr lib x11 l n c \( r5 \) usr lib x11 n c \( r5 \) usr lib x11 l n usr lib x11 l n usr lib x11 n \( note sites replace usr lib x11 projectroot batch default settings \) default xuserfilesearchpath , also compiled xt , root l n c \( r5 \) root l n c \( r5 \) root n c \( r5 \) root l n root l n root n root either value xapplresdir user 's home directory xapplresdir set set xuserfilesearchpath value default , xt ignores xapplresdir altogether notice quick dirty way making application find app defaults file current working directory set xapplresdir , single dot r3 , machinery worked differently r3 , many people set xapplresdir value , dot followed slash 21 order callbacks executed \? \( courtesy donna converse , converse expo lcs mit edu 5 10 92 \) intrinsics library guarantee order widget writer application writer ability modify entire contents callback list neither one currently knows intrinsics cannot guarantee order execution application programmer cannot rely widget writer widget writer required document widget add remove callbacks list effect therefore functionality contained callback independent functionality contained callbacks list even though xt standard definition xtaddcallback says callback name specifies callback list procedure appended may infer word appended callback routines called order added callback list 22 know widget visible \? \( courtesy donna converse , converse expo lcs mit edu 5 14 92 \) building widget needs know visible set visible interest field core window completely obscured , core visible flag goes false however , window iconified , flag stays set true right , everything implemented correctly demonstrates deficiency x protocol , core widget reflecting capabilities protocol \( deficiency information available one way , case inconvenient way \) xt specification accurate , second third paragraphs section 7 10 2 , read section carefully visible field change response event received window goes viewable , , widget ancestor , occurs protocol deficiency visibility state viewable state specific meanings x protocol see glossary xlib x protocol reference manual problem mwm something else needs done \? 'll see window manager , window manager problem mwm , fastest way determine window iconified \? application writer , keep track global boolean action routine translations shell widget contains custom widget custom widget writer , see map state field returned call suggestions 23 widget xt , e \( \) \? ca n't 24 use xtmalloc , xtfree , etc \? unfortunately , code calls malloc \( \) , \( \) \( \) tends ignore possibility returning null best handled something like ptr \( type \) malloc \( sizeof \( type \) \) \( ! ptr \) perror \( malloc xyzzy \( \) \) exit \( 1 \) handle common case intrinsics define functions xtmalloc \( \) , \( \) , \( \) , \( \) \( \) use standard c language functions malloc \( \) , \( \) \( \) execute \( \) null value returned xt error handlers supposed return effectively exits addition , \( \) called null pointer , uses xtmalloc \( \) get initial space allows code like \( ! ptr \) ptr \( type \) malloc \( sizeof \( type \) \) else ptr \( type \) \( ptr , sizeof \( type \) \( count 1 \) \) count written ptr \( ptr , sizeof \( ptr \) count \) also , xtfree \( \) accepts null pointer argument generally , 've found xt functions use however , anytime i'm allocating anything potentially large use standard functions fully recover enough memory errors \( \) \( \) macros allocating structure copying string struct abc xyzzy char ptr char str xyzzy \( struct abc \) takes care type casting ptr \( str \) strict interpretation intrinsics reference manual allow implementation provide functions malloc \( \) free \( \) e code char ptr ptr xtmalloc \( 100 \) free \( ptr \) may work personally , 'd call implementation broken complain vendor common error motif programmers use xtfree \( \) string really using \( \) 25 debug xt application \? first , 'd recomend getting purify pure software great package tracing memory problems sun 's 's bit pricey 'd still recomend excuse marketing blurb \( contact support pure com info \) purify inserts additional checking instructions directly object code produced existing compilers instructions check every memory read write performed program test detect several types access errors , reading memory , writing past malloc 'd bounds , writing freed memory purify inserts checking logic code program , including third party vendor object code libraries , verifies system call interfaces addition , purify tracks memory usage identifies individual memory leaks using novel garbage collection techniques purify 's nearly comprehensive memory access checking slows target program typically factor two five alternative package n't pricey \( 395 sun \) , runs many unix 's pretty similar features sentinel debugging environment replaces malloc \( \) several c library functions add additional checks \( contact com info \) next , getting sort xlib error , 'll need run synchronous mode , easily accomplished sync command line argument setting variable 1 debugger set break point exit \( \) let trace back original xlib function called n't run synchronous mode , actual error may occured number calls xlib previously since xlib calls buffered replies server asynchronous next , trouble window layout , use undocumented resource class resource cause widget name identified window example example xload xrm ' example xwininfo tree click new xload window give normal information widget name class window included help checking location size errant widgets next , trouble geometry managers want test way widget manages 's children , try export lcs mit edu contrib tar z acts filter children geometry manager checks behaviour 's clever idea unfortunate problem debugging callback application executing grab keyboard mouse \( pulldown menu \) server effectively locks 'll need go another machine kill debugger manually server locks application said one else access keyboard application stopped waiting debugger waiting commands unfortunately ca n't give input going application stopped best way debug kind problem two machines desk , running program debugger \( environment \) one machine , running application , possibly using command sequence like xhost thismachine thismachine setenv display 0 thismachine gdb application favorite debugger xhost thismachine thismachine gdb application \( gdb \) set environment display 0 \( gdb \) run believe , c interpreter graphical debugger method dealing calling xlib functions release grabs debugging widget problems requires pretty good debugging skills knowledge widgets work go long way without knowing internals particular widget far without understanding widget works use conditional adding print statements debugger help great deal 26 n't xtaddinput \( \) , xtaddtimeout \( \) xtaddworkproc \( \) work \? got delicate problem three routines xtaddinput , xtaddtimeout xtaddworkproc problem use application seem properly made handy little everything works perfect , real application nothing happens introduction r3 \( \) functions obsoleted routines \( see changes r3 , r4 , r5 \) happens use default application context different one may created since events timeouts distributed per application context basis using two application contexts , wo n't get events example cnt 0 toplevel xtappinitialize \( app , class , desc , xtnumber \( desc \) , argc , argv , , args , cnt \) xtaddtimeout \( \) xtaddworkproc \( \) xtappmainloop \( app \) would never invoke timeout 27 implement drag drop \? \( courtesy roger reynolds , netcom com 19 feb 93 \) drag n drop moving data clients , fashion motif version 1 2 supports drag n drop capabilities , openlook supported n along two protocols compatable , far know , published wrote package called rdd designed flexible public protocol drag 'n drop operations clients intention provide tool would make easy people support standard drag n drop protocol programs develop contribute sell , regardless widget set used \( long based xt \) implementation based upon understanding icccm conventions , details read code heard dozens people using rdd like feel works whole lot better motif 1 2 stuff also , seem many think neat constrained use motif anyway latest rdd \( stuff \) available ftp netcom com , pub \( possibly older \) version also available export lcs mit edu contrib pete ware ware cis ohio state edu cis dept , ohio state university w \( 614 \) 292 228 hall , neil ave h \( 614 \) 538 columbus , oh 43210
vaxa hofstra edu \( gary \) subject isles hockey lines 43 well , patrick division got little interesting last night islanders lost ot devils tied pens means isles beat devils friday , meet caps playoffs however , comments islanders hockey general need get chest \) first , islanders back back performances whalers , one may think islanders shape guys always suck wind 2nd period , come little 3rd run gas soon many one goal games guys lost anyway , games pretty wide open isles still tons trouble scoring whalers played 1st nhl start , think name lenarduzzi \( sp \? \) \( nhl debut tuesday tie isles \) like mentioned , guy looked like best planet \( misplayed slap shot go ot \) say 's isles n't shoot correctly anyone else noticed \? also , think really shame hockey guy like mick vukota gets much ice time guy much hockey talent macdonald \( play hockey , think \) anytime gets puck gets stolen , always starts fights gets needless penalties richard pilon another guy ice stir crap 's defenseman 's got approaching negative infinity plus minus guy gets beaten time need enforcers \? fights slow game alot , takes away guys really trying play game 'll one admit , enjoy good fight , 's called know , guy checks goalie hard words , violation hockey ethics might cause get need start crap losing becuase get away ! ! anyone agree need little less lenient 3rd ot \? mean come already i'm sick seeing teams pulling guys , holding guys etc becuase referee n't call ot late 3rd time strategy , physical prowess trying set goal first foremost afraid team going score pull guy prevent , n't deserve win first place honest opinion , gary hofstra vaxb hofstra edu hofstra bitnet
dlc umcc umcc umich edu \( david \) subject apple going ship cd300i 's \? organization umcc , ann arbor , mi lines 43 nntp posting host umcc umcc umich edu article senator bedfellow mit edu thewho athena mit edu \( derek fong \) writes interestingly enough , cdrom 300i came quadra 800 8 disks 1 system install 2 kodak photo cd sampler 3 alice ocean 4 cdrom titles 5 application demos 6 mozart dissonant 7 8 apple chronicles anyone else noticed got less everyone seems getting external \? really feel missed supposed fantastic games demo disk heard people gotten 9 10 disks drive assume get 8 titles plus cinderella games demo cdrom comments experiences \? call apple complain \? \) derek thewho plume mit edu get drive \( cd300i \) system install cd listed 1 ideas get one \? bought iivx 8 120 direct express chicago \( complaints good price good service \) btw , 've heard system install cd used boot mac however , drive accept cd caddy machine boot \? dave dlc umcc ais org 313 485
rfp jhuvm hcf jhu edu \( rebecca \) subject summer sublet available baltimore organization johns hopkins university , homewood academic computing lines 18 nntp posting host jhuvm hcf jhu edu large bedroom rent june 1 aug 15 row house near jhu \( homewood \) smokers pets share house 2 3 f law students f professional student wanted 2 bath , large kitchen remodeled last summer , floors , lr , dr , washer dryer beautiful details rent 325 1 4 utilities located bus lines info email rfp jhuvm
organization city university new york f36si cunyvm bitnet subject model united nations lines 3 observed national model united nations nyc one word peace , matt
artmel well sf ca us \( arthur melnick \) subject big brother \( clipper \) chip summary thoughts use big brother \( clipper \) chip keywords clipper nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link , sausalito , ca lines 57 issues come mind one considers law enforcement aspects use big brother \( clipper \) chip drug dealers terrorists n't going let caught using type encryption 1985 new york times reported government investigators broke ring operating highly sophisticated equipment capable allowing leaders ring eavesdrop law enforcement agents trying arrest mr , nsa official , said lot medium sized countries would proud signals intelligence operation group every john probably many people sophistication know risks unsecure communications press given big brother chip increase numbers even benefit law enforcement use big brother , must weighed constitutional civil liberties questions involved example , areas world torture used investigative tool local law enforcement people suspect effective means obtaining information shortening many investigations probably also helps keep conviction rate high fact torture tool used country \( even court order obtained showing probable cause \) rightly balanced questions expediency ethically morally right think question expediency versus morality come play considering use big brother vote morality quite disturbed interpret veiled threat prohibit use encryption big brother chip put wide spread use quick reading white house press release came away impression american public , word hacker rightly wrongly come mean high tech adolescent vandal struck people posting sci crypt regarding issue intelligent , thoughtful individuals genuine concerns privacy constitutional issues surrounding big brother hope use big brother become mandatory encryption become illegal would hate see become kind high tech act high speed digital communications revolution coming us speed times changing , ibm learning ca n't business way done past 40 years , maybe nsa evaluate another approach eff , correctly questioned cryptographic strength big brother , may need send stronger message regarding constitutional issues involved al gore may want think one little dorothy elizabeth denning en , \?
netcom com \( tom chamberlain \) subject buzz 's race space \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 6 anyone heard played buzz 's race space \? anyone know expected released \? thanx , tom
manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) organization manes associates , nyc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 168 jim de arras \( jmd cube handheld com \) wrote last year us suffered almost 10 , 000 wrongful accidental deaths handguns alone \( fbi statistics \) year , uk suffered 35 deaths \( scotland yard statistics \) population uk 1 5 us \( 10 , 000 \( 35 5 \) \) weighted population , us 57x many handgun related deaths uk , , brits n't make murdering 57x many people baseball bats ca n't compare way ! homicides must shown , per capita , handguns availability usa makes preferred murder weapon , ban , weapon step favorite favorite , sure lethal , likely study violence chicago produced table percentage reported gun knife attacks resulting death weapon deaths percentage attacks knives \( 16 , 518 total attacks \) 2 4 guns \( 6 , 350 total attacks \) 12 2 source firearms violence american life might gun murderers deprived guns would find way kill often knives , knife attacks cities guns widely used homicide would expected show low rate , knife attacks cities guns widely used \( like vancouver \) would show higher rate nat'l commission causes prevention violence task force analyzed data found case appeared number knife attacks increased relation number firearms attacks \( presumably happened guns less available assailants \) , proportion fatal knife attacks increase relative proportion gun attacks fact , reverse true found homicides show determination part assailant kill fatalities caused knife tended show single mindedness part assailant grave physical injury multiple wounds , wounds concentrated head neck chest , etc gun homicides show pattern rather , fatal attacks committed moment rage focused intent kill victim source report firearms violence , since england ! usa \( ancestors left oppression \) must compare england strict gun laws england strict gun laws able draw meaning england essentially legalized drugs , drug gangs battling turf , etc , drop drug related killings , usa would look whole lot peaceful lot factors make difference actually , i'm fond making kind social parallels europeans americans cultural , economic differences us similarities sort found backed corner last couple weeks n't think could ever attain low levels european violent crime us , whether banned guns required every law abiding citizen carry loaded uzi hand , draw lessons neighbors culturally similar , namely canadians fact , exhaustive , seven year study already done respective crime rates vancouver , british columbia seattle , washington cities roughly population , urban economy , geography crime decidedly different approaches gun control seattle , handguns may purchased legally self defense 30 day waiting period , permit obtained carry concealed weapon recreational use handguns minimally restricted vancouver , self defense considered valid legal reason purchase handgun concealed weapons permitted recreational uses handguns \( target shooting , collecting \) regulated province purchase handgun requires restricted weapons permit permit carry may obtained order transport weapon licensed shooting clubs handguns transported vehicle must stored trunk locked box short , gun control unreasonably cities aggressively enforce gun laws convictions gun related offenses carry similar penalties researchers studied cases robbery , assault \( simple aggravated \) , homicides occurring seattle vancouver 1 1 80 12 31 86 defining cases , used standard fbi 's unified crime report results seven year study annual rate robbery seattle found slightly higher vancouver \( 1 09 1 11 \) occurred nearly identical rates \( 99 \) 18 , 925 assaults recorded seattle versus 12 , 034 vancouver risk victim simple assault seattle found slightly higher vancouver \( 1 18 1 15 \) risk aggravated assault also slightly higher \( 1 16 1 12 \) however , aggravated assaults weapon mechanism assault , clear pattern emerged although cities reported nearly identical rates aggravated assault involving knives dangerous weapons , firearms far likely used seattle fact , 7 7 times often seven year study , 388 homicides occurred seattle \( 11 3 per 100 , 000 \) vs 204 homicides vancouver \( 6 9 per 100 , 000 \) adjustment differences age sex among populations , relative risk victim homicide seattle , compared vancouver , found 1 63 homicides mechanism death , rate homicide knives weapons \( excluding firearms \) seattle found almost identical vancouver virtually increased risk death seattle due higher rate homicide firearms handguns accounted roughly 85 homicides involving firearms handguns 4 8 times likely used homicides seattle vancouver authors report also investigated legally justifiable homicides \( self defense \) 32 homicides occurred seven year study , 11 committed police 21 cases civilians acting self defense 17 seattle 4 vancouver 13 involved firearms excluding cases , virtually impact earlier findings , feel , fair report one might even make argument biased canada whole vancouver reports annual rates homicide two three times ottawa , calgary toronto seattle reports annual homicide rates half two thirds nyc , chicago , los angeles houston critics handgun control always argue limited legal access handguns little effect rates homicide persons intent killing others try harder acquire gun kill means report shows differently rate homicide community influenced strength intent availability weapons , could expect rate homicides weapons guns higher vancouver seattle however , study interval , vancouver 's rate homicide weapons guns significantly higher seattle , suggesting would assailants switched homicide methods well , ready access handguns self defense law abiding citizens endorsed report although seattle experience higher rate firearm death self defense , cases accounted less 4 homicides cities course study period , reported , seattle apparently n't enjoy relief crime category vancouver citizens may legally arm self defense heavily quoted source handgun regulation , crime , assaults , homicide tale two cities john h sloan , arthur l , donald , james ferris , thomas , frederick p rivara , charles rice , laurel gray james stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes associates new york , ny , usa
etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) subject renting alamo nntp posting host st83 ericsson se reply etxmst sta ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 20 hello netters ! i'm visiting us \( i'm sweden \) august probably rent chevy beretta alamo 've quoted 225 week 54 additional days would include free driving distance , local taxes \( baltimore \) also told insurance thats necessary included , doubt , 'cause friend rented car last year turned needed lot insurance 's included base price hand n't rent alamo anyone info \? 225 rip \? probability 'll needing insurance \? beretta good rental car \? thanx markus
subject ms windows sound system , text speach \? bcsc02 gov bc ca organization bc systems corporation nntp posting host bcsc02 gov bc ca lines 4 hi news group users anyone know whether software let one text speach like sound blaster \? hal adam , bcsc02 gov bc ca
subject help school eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan edu lines 14 newbie net , trying get information paper working get back college anyone send data solar coronal holes aurora past thirty years would big help , information esoteric things like current , surge power companies use , effects aurora earth 's magnetic field , 'd eternally please send anything interesting marty van observatory wesleyan university middletown , ct e mail eagle wesleyan edu thank advance , marty
raymaker bcm tmc edu \( mark raymaker \) subject graphics driver standards organization baylor college medicine , houston , tx lines 21 nntp posting host bcm tmc edu keywords graphics , standards researcher collecting impulses human heart complex analog digital system designed information eisa bus hp computer running dos lap dos extender want purchase high performance video card 3 modeling aware company called matrox concerned getting married company video routine library would hope flexibility choose several card manufacturers standard video driver would like write generic code code could easily moved cards computer operating systems future hope \? information would greatly appreciated please , possible , respond directly internet mail raymaker bcm tmc edu thanks
cna tek com \( tony \) subject need info cc mail file format organization tektronix , inc , redmond , oregon lines 13 need file format cc mail file formats seems pcx based , twist first page multi page fax come readable pages disappear format seems anybody got clues \? give email faxes secretary order get 'em want filter cc mail p nb come think , p nb cc mail would nice master cna tek com
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject nl vs al \? vma cc nd edu 1993apr13 news yale edu lines 23 article 1993apr13 news yale edu , \( sean garrison \) says article vma cc nd edu , rvesterm vma cc nd edu wrote pitchers well likely taken game nl al , seems al , nl , promotes pitchers' bob vesterman basis make statement \? q sean serious \? pitchers pinch hit nl nl pitcher cranking al , stay game cranking nl , may especially 's pitchers' duel , team needs extra run bob vesterman
shaw feanor xel com \( greg shaw \) subject ide vs scsi organization xel communications , inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 106 wayne smith \( wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \) wrote article dns1 nmsu edu bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) writes point view , scsi advantage comes multi tasking \? data data , could anywhere drive scsi find faster \? get drive computer faster \? better cache system \? thought scsi good managing data bus multiple devices attached talking single drive , explain scsi inherently faster managing data hard drive ide integrated device electronics currently common standard , mainly used medium sized drives one hard drive asynchronous transfer 5mb max n't start spec sheet isa bus first \? quote scsi specs till 're blue face , exceed isa bus capability , 's point \? said isa necessary \? eisa vlb interfaces worth investing thousands dollars \( e g new pc 's worth money \) says ide limited 5 megs sec \? vlb ide \? anyone know perform \? n't read carefully vlb ide uses connection mechanism standard ide transfer rate limited ide , whether 's interfaced isa , eisa vlb matters lowest setting scsi 2 interface asynchronous scsi 1 mode averages put maximum ide asynchronous mode full scsi 2 mode blows poor ide window , street , garbage implimented system \? mine , one thing scsi blows ide water , hands ide better throughput , n't used workstations file servers \? problem becomes drive keep put rates bottleneck cost scsi 2 comes interface drive use scsi 2 put given original question \( scsi used single hard drive controller \) , necessary get scsi drive least 5 , maybe 10 megs sec scsi choice make sence \? 200 400 meg 5 megs sec scsi drive cost \? , 's nice thing multitasking os , scsi use drives 've got unix loaded one pcs \( along \) os use one two ide drives one time 's pretty ugly bought quantum 240 mac home paid 369 n't seen ide drives cheaper original cga cart back '84 300 think original ega card \( pga \? \) 800 scsi stood relatively alone coming price , mainly 're talking pc 's sun 's sparc sgi \( name favorite unix workstation \) , millions pc buying decisions years , scsi plenty time come price , actually , 're talking scsi expensive simply nobody common interface pc common \( read easily implemented \) method adding scsi pc \( like sun mac \) , 'd find scsi connection medium choice wo n't argue scsi standard makes good , well implimented data highway , still want know intrinsically better \( ide , isa bus \) comes multi tasking os 's managing data single scsi hard drive single drive , scsi expensive , bought pc expandibility , , 'd want add drives whatever following find scsi intrinsically better ide \( partial \? \) list 1 add many different types devices access concurrently 2 scsi device works many different machines \( mac pc home moving hard drives nice scsi hook away go \) 3 scsi devices work together better ide devices instance , recently , added older connor 100 meg ide maxtor 212 meg ide connor must setup slave work way scsi , set address , check termination , plug , away goes 4 problem ide 's mutual exclusion notice time takes switch accessing drive c drive quite long compared time takes switch drive c scsi system multitasking os , noticable , many things going one neat thing 've noticed lately \( fringe benefit \) ability add older \( almost dead \) drives storage scsi system little problem 've got bunch almost dead 20 meg drives 've added pc 've got interface full , , allow 4 20 meg drives , 1 240 meg drive , 1 tape drive , 1 105 meg drive card simply put , scsi ide mysterious jumpers figure greg ca n't go nature , , greg shaw go nature , 's part nature shaw feanor xel com love rockets uunet ! csn ! xel com ! shaw
ndallen r node hub org \( nigel allen \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization r node public access unix 1 416 249 5366 lines 26 interests completeness , thought readers newsgroups would want see fbi director william statement , released fbi press office fbi director 's statement waco standoff national desk contact federal bureau investigation , press office , 202 324 washington , april 19 following statement fbi director william sessions regarding branch davidian incident waco , texas hoped making different statement evening careful planning extensive preparation thought today 's efforts fbi bring branch davidians compound would result peaceful resolution stand least meaningful negotiation instead , faced devastation death however , question plan correct conducted extreme professionalism care applaud restraint shown agents face life threatening gunfire , thank risking lives try end peacefully greatest admiration courage professionalism involved 30
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject ten questions israel organization university illinois urbana lines 23 backon vms huji ac il writes article 1483500349 igc apc org , cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) writes 4 true israeli prisons number individuals tried secret identities , date trial imprisonment state secrets \? apart mordechai vanunu trial behind closed doors , one espionage case \( nutty professor nes biological institute k g b mole \) tried camera would n't exactly call state secret trial simply tried behind closed doors hate disappoint united states tried number espionage cases camera one us cases john pollard ed
er1 eridan chuvashia su \( \) subject sale high oil russia , 450 ton , 400 ton reply er1 eridan chuvashia su distribution eunet organization firm eridan lines 1 address er1 eridan chuvashia su
holmes webo dg com \( chris holmes \) subject casio cz 101 49 key synth 125 bo reply holmes webo dg com organization data general corporation , , lines 29 ok 've done little research price 've asking bit high casio cz 101 synthesizer 125 best offer features uses fm modulation create sounds programmable envelopes 2 dca 's \( amplitude \) , 2 's \( pitch , like \) , 2 's \( waveform , like vco \) 8 steps 16 preset sounds , 8 memory , 8 still ram cartridge 49 keys pitch bend wheel midi ports includes manuals could ever want ac adapter \( use 6 batteries \) line cord 1 ram cartridge holds 8 additional sounds 'll throw bunch sheet music play rock keyboards christopher holmes insert email ear canal terminals development group evil twin blew world trade center data general corporation got stupid sig file ! westboro , internet holmes webo dg com
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization university rochester lines 31 article steinly topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes paul , 's obvious chlorine chemistry banned earth , advocated groups , ti prices sharply increase \( course allowed assume developments ti processing \) lunar ti eminently competitive trendy jewelry market certain applications national importance \) \) \) well , already sulfate process tio2 purification chlorine process cleaner , however , reason achieving dominance marketplace ti used , btw \( oxide \) , replaced white lead decades ago little reduced metal seriously , 'd say flaw gary 's analysis assumes export oriented economy , maybe lunatics want native ti local use merely issue lunatics \( , children would want stay \) paul f dietz dietz cs rochester edu
ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu \( ahmed abu abed \) subject desertification negev originator ahmeda ice mcrcim mcgill edu nntp posting host ice mcrcim mcgill edu organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines 23 article 1993apr26 cs brown edu , dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) writes nonsense lived negev many years say sure beduins moved harmed way contrary , standard living climbed sharply many live rather nice , permanent houses , cars quite students ben gurion university good , friendly relations rest population beduins met would rather surprised read mr davidson 's poster , say danny keren nonsense , danny , refute proof citing experience 1940 's \( article comparing condition \) otherwise , trying change facts ahmed
leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) subject space faq 08 15 addresses supersedes addresses cs unc edu organization university north carolina , chapel hill lines 230 distribution world expires 6 may 1993 19 58 29 gmt nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu keywords frequently asked questions archive name space addresses last modified date 93 04 01 14 38 55 contacting nasa , esa , space agencies companies many space activities center around large government international us means nasa basic information requests \( e g , general pr info , research grants , data , limited tours , especially summer employment \( typically resumes ready jan 1 \) , etc \) , consider contacting nearest nasa center answer questions email typically get , computers used investigators , pr people typical volume mail per center multiple 10 , 000 letters day seek public information office one , job nasa \( national aeronautics space administration \) civilian space agency united states federal government reports directly white house cabinet post military department defense 20k employees civil servants hence us citizens another 100k contractors also work nasa nasa centers nasa headquarters \( nasa hq \) washington dc \( 202 \) 358 1600 ask questions policy , money , things political nature direct specific questions appropriate center nasa ames research center \( arc \) moffett field , ca 94035 \( 415 \) 694 aeronautical research , atmosphere reentry , mars venus planetary atmospheres lead center helicopter research , v , etc runs pioneer series space probes nasa ames research center dryden flight research facility dfrf p box 273 edwards , ca \( 805 \) 258 aircraft , mostly tested shuttle orbiter landing characteristics developed x 1 , 558 , x 3 , x 4 , x 5 , xb 70 , course , x 15 nasa goddard space flight center \( gsfc \) greenbelt , md 20771 outside washington dc \( 301 \) 344 earth orbiting unmanned satellites sounding rockets developed landsat jet propulsion laboratory \( jpl \) california institute technology 4800 oak grove dr pasadena , ca 91109 \( 818 \) 354 planetary research probes unmanned projects \( also lot iras \) run voyager , magellan , galileo , run cassini , craf , etc etc images , probe navigation , info unmanned exploration , place go jpl run contract nasa nearby california institute technology , unlike nasa centers distinction subtle critical jpl different requirements unsolicited research proposals summer hires instance latter , sf 171 useless employees caltech employees , contractors , part similar responsibilities offer alternative funding nasa centers fact sheet description jpl available anonymous ftp ames arc nasa gov pub space faq nasa johnson manned space center \( jsc \) houston , tx 77058 \( 713 \) 483 5111 jsc manages space shuttle , ground control manned missions astronaut training manned mission nasa kennedy space flight center \( ksc \) , fl \( 407 \) 867 space launch center know one nasa langley research center \( larc \) hampton , va near news , va \( 804 \) 865 original nasa site specializes theoretical experimental flight dynamics viking long duration exposure facility nasa lewis research center \( lerc \) 21000 brookpark rd cleveland , oh 44135 \( 216 \) 433 4000 aircraft rocket propulsion space power generation materials research nasa marshall space flight center \( msfc \) huntsville , al \( 205 \) 453 development , production , delivery solid rocket boosters , external tank , orbiter main engines propulsion launchers assembly facility orleans parish new orleans , la \( 504 \) 255 shuttle external tanks produced formerly produced first stages saturn v space center bay st louis , mississippi \( 601 \) 688 space shuttle main engines tested , saturn v first second stages center also remote sensing technology transfer research wallops flight center wallops island , va \( 804 \) 824 3411 aeronautical research , sounding rockets , scout launcher manager , technology utilization office nasa scientific technical information facility 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clldomps cs ruu nl \( louis van dompselaar \) subject images earth organization utrecht university , dept computer science lines 16 1993apr19 unocal com stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) writes beware one copyrighted image company generated known protect copyright image took hundreds man hours build source satellite images , unlikely competing images appear soon sue newspaper got printing article n't say anything copyrights louis i'm hanging words , living breath , feeling skin , always \? room dm
sean ee uct ac za \( sean \) subject info wanted graphics lcd displays organization university cape town x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 15 hi anyone know get hold data well stock lcd displays used nintendo gameboy handheld tv game machines \? information appreciated please e mail replies uct ac za thanks alex
tffreeba indyvax iupui edu subject death taxes \( give 1 billion article indyvax 1993apr22 162501 747 lines 10 first posting subject threw idea fund contest without delving deep budget mentioned granting mineral rights winner \( actual wording , mining rights \) somebody pointed , quite correctly , rights anybody 's grant \( although imagine would fait accompli situation winner \) \? give winning group \( ca n't see one company corp \) 10 , 20 , 50 year moratorium taxes tom freebairn
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject final solution gaza \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 13 article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes certainly , israeli legitimate worry behind action took , n't action little draconian \? alternative would suggest taken safeguard lives israeli citizens \? adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject great post ! \( candida \( yeast \) bloom \) \( long \) summary virtually \? organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 30 nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes ca n't observe culture yeast bloom gut sinus , 's way diagnose even recognize disease know realize virtually impossible test candida overbloom part body cannot easily observed since candida everywhere body article toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes 've discovered one requirements good quack theory find something one disprove write book saying cause whatever since one disprove , rake bucks quite time hope gordon banks mean imply notions hard see candida infections causing various problems investigated many researchers made breakthroughs figuring investigate things previously thought virtually impossible test indeed , would surprised candida overbloom phenomena would think candida would produce signature whose measure would set lower bound extent recent infection realize might get quite tricky difficult , probably expensive , likely inconvenient uncomfortable subjects , virtually impossible russell
9051467f levels unisa edu au \( desert brat \) subject keith schneider stealth poster \? organization cured , discharged lines 24 article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes really , threatened motto , people use \? every time somone writes something says merely describing norm , infact norm upon programmed think motto dangerous , tells world every true american god fearing , puts fear gods n't need anyone make dangerous , good job existing currency keith desert brat john j mcvey , elc eng , whyalla , uni australia , 9051467f levels unisa edu au k c darwin replies , mail wh whyalla unisa edu au disclaimer unisa hates opinions bb bb n't make rainbow less beautiful god 's name smack understand refractive mechanisms chance produce jim perry , perry dsinc com alice chains
ccastco prism gatech edu \( constantinos malamas \) subject quickly switch windows screen resolutions \? distribution na organization georgia institute technology lines 18 article cbnewsl cb att com slg slgsun att com \( idealistic cynic \) writes someone tell switch window 's screen resolution quickly easily \? know go back install , sean l gilley take look ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 \( util \? misc \? \) program zip 's close want want get win3 1 hope helps costas malamas georgia institute technology oit ua opinions expressed necessarily oit 's internet ccastco prism gatech edu
bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) subject ide vs scsi organization new mexico state university , las cruces , nm lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu edu richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) writes stuff connection ide ida 8mhz clock , 16 bit width , 5mb sec ide speed come ida 8 3mb sighted ide come \? scsi complex way industry uses talks three key differences scsi controller chip , port , software let us look scsi stand point scsi 1 asynchronous synchronous modes software scsi driver asynchronous slower synchronous mode 0 3mb vs 0 5mb synchronous speeds reached scsi 1 rewrite software driver case mac quadra scsi 2 8 bit main source confusion differs scsi 1 controler chip machines mac pcs called scsi 1' uses scsi 1 ports software drivers produce scsi 2 speeds scsi 1 even slower asynchronous mode average speed asynchronous scsi 1 mode 4 6mb 8mb see quadras higher end pcs synchronous mode allows higher burst rate 10 mb scsi 2 16 bit two versions wide fast wide scsi 2 requires two things 8 bit scsi 2 scsi 2 software driver wide scsi port machine external device fast scsi 2 also requires two things 8 bit scsi 2 scsi 2 driver software recieving devise support 16 bit fast scsi 2 speed 8 12mb 20mb burst scsi 2 32 bit also know wide fast scsi 8 bit scsi 2 requires scsi 2 driver software , wide scsi 2 port , recieving devices also 32 bit mode scsi 2 chip expected expencive speed 15 20mb 40mb bursts said simple seven versions scsi seperated software , controler chip , port software drops five versions scsi seperate hardware chip port
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 11 distribution world reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes whatever happens though , effect new chip make private crypto stand like sore thumb already amanda walker intercon systems corporation
pstone well sf ca us \( philip k stone \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link distribution rec lines 16 article 1993apr19 vax5 cit cornell edu xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? mike terry least , 's told nasa rent cop stopped swore lifting n't completely buy part water carbs , either phil stone new address pstone well sf ca us '83 motorcycles ok
gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu subject guns gone good riddance ! organization university california , berkeley lines 77 nntp posting host sam cchem berkeley edu originator gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes loosing question ca n't spell question vote , cause considered abomination matter hard try , public opinion set rkba must reading different public opinion polls agree misguided public would like see assault weapons banned \( mainly lied media frequency use violent crime 1 \) , public opinion dead set rkba bet idiots like metzenbaum schumer would seeing foolish bills getting passed congress lot easier governments go broke longer protect citizens bet american people start really appreciate usefulness firearms contrary might think , time probably side , end finish clinton administration , rkba null void tough titty yeah , right n't hold breath condolences discovery uncomfortable glands , nothing issue hand ridiculous tripe deleted press , public \( voting public \) , flow history ! yeah , liberal press n't like us much , ca n't really expect coherent thought anyway opinions based desire appear politically correct facts \( provided fbi , 'd bother put go library read \) friends anti gun , without exception none bases opinions facts would rather believe \( despite evidence contrary \) disarming law abiding citizens would make world civilized , really make us sheep would rather pitiful liberal white guilt society driven criminal rob , rape , murder support spending millions public dollars protecting rights scum already demonstrated regard society laws ignore fact areas strictest gun control \( nyc , dc \) worst crime areas little gun control \( vt , nh , id \) little crime comparison ignore otherwise would need confront fact law abiding citizens guns ones causing trouble society oh , certainly ca n't accept ! guess faith crime starts making significant neighborhoods starts directly hurting families , probably whistle different tune better hope n't late surrender arms soon enough , officers around collect resistance useless overwhelm one time hmmm n't expecting company tonight might able whip quick cheese cracker plate , probably bring drinks time vacuum rug \? fucking bad gone way kkk violent solutions passe' avoid situations encourage criminals safe possible i'm glad ended posting medication seems worn lee gaucher nra opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu one else 's
jfriedl ri cmu edu \( jeffrey \) subject ggrrrrrr ! ! cages double parking motorc nntp posting host hiroshima rest ri cmu edu reply jfriedl cs cmu edu organization corporation carnegie mellon lines 28 egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes article 34211 castle ed ac uk , wbg festival ed ac uk \( w geake \) writes ultra sticky labels printed favourite curse good even local hospitals use instead wheel clamps , putting one \( a5 size \) window cage apartment complex used live tried , put thing driver 's window , could n't miss friend damned near wrecked way home one night , vision blocked sticker suggested manager enormous liability assuming pulling stunt \( logic anything , \) see liability putting stickers car moving , something , 's bdi chooses start drive car known unsafe condition would \( seem \) liable furthermore , would last chance avoid unsafe situation , additional factor blame anyway , stickers window less effective one problem taking blade window remove stubborn sticker , 's different story nice paint job door jeff jeffrey e f corporation , \( kyoto \) , japan jfriedl co jp , jfriedl cs cmu edu dod 4 visiting researcher mach project , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh
mcdonald aries scs uiuc edu \( j mcdonald \) subject jiggers article aries mcdonald 895 organization uiuc scs lines 13 article cup portal com mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes would n't happen thing chiggers , would \? truly awful parasitic affliction , understand tiny bugs dig deeply skin , burying yuck ! things oklahoma close mother comes gainesville tex , right across border claim capitol world , believe grew fort worth bad enough , gainesville summer attack guaranteed doug mcdonald
gaijin ale japan sun com \( john little nihon sun repair depot \) subject , police read stuff \? organization nihon sun microsystems atsugi technical centre japan lines 16 nntp posting host ale japan sun com keywords bear \( j r laferriere \) writes wondering law officers read several questions would like ask pertaining motorcycles cops happened charlie lear \? \? used connections , n't \? \( hey , cyberspace mister wanna cop , ya specify ! \) john little gaijin japan sun com sun microsystems atsugi , japan
erics netcom com \( eric smith \) subject harry candy article netcom distribution world , local organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 24 f67709907 violet ccit arizona edu \( greg franklin \) writes rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes i'm watching cubs rockies spring training game , thought 'd like know particular way harry caray butchers maldonado seems mal n dal like way butchers andres galarraga 's name comes like n't forget frequent references great sf giant star bobby bonds ! \? one really sorry hear cubs sent minors ! \) eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 , 3610
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject sirtf mission still alive organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 114 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov keywords sirtf , jpl news software vax vms vnews 1 41 jpl universe april 23 , 1993 sirtf still much business mark times extra tight nasa budgets , survival number missions uncertain thanks major design implemented recent months , jpl 's space infrared telescope facility \( sirtf \) major project considered trouble couple years ago alive well , according project scientist michael werner lighter spacecraft , revised orbit shorter mission added less expensive project tremendous scientific power bright future , said werner designed follow highly successful infrared astronomical satellite \( iras \) cosmic background explorer \( cobe \) missions , sirtf cooled observatory infrared astronomy space scheduled launch 2000 2001 plans proceed scheduled pioneering work space based infrared astronomy 10 years ago allowed astronomers view milky way never revealed , among things , 60 , 000 galaxies 25 comets provided sky survey 1 , 000 times sensitive previously available ground based observations cobe measured infrared microwave background radiation large angular scales , revealed new facts early universe illuminate sirtf 's potential , jim evans , jpl 's manager astrophysics fundamental physics pre projects , recently said project 1 , 000 1 million times capable iras , based technological advances infrared detector arrays however , despite enormous strides infrared exploration sirtf promised , fact cited highest priority new initiative astronomy 1990s \( national academy sciences \) , took diet die directive nasa headquarters last year keep project going , according werner project known atlas sirtf , based key factor new design satellite orbit sun instead earth , permitting use atlas rocket launch instead formerly proposed heavier titan main advantage solar orbit use launch capability boosting payload n't carry second rocket orbit , werner said advantage solar orbit , said , 's better thermal environment , away heat earth additional major changes sirtf 's redesign include shortening mission five three years building spacecraft less half heavy original plan atlas sirtf weigh 2 , 470 kilograms \( 5 , 400 pounds \) compared titan sirtf 's 5 , 500 kilograms \( 12 , 100 pounds \) adds less launch environment , werner said , cost savings 200 million launch , addition increased savings design smaller , less massive spacecraft werner said sirtf 's redesign came result telling nasa 're trying many things want us support sirtf , good project , develop plan see fits \( nasa 's \) overall strategy shortly thereafter , sirtf named nasa 's highest priority flagship scientific mission interdisciplinary space sciences advisory committee , addition blessing national academy sciences spacecraft instruments required keep project alive , sirtf 's major scientific contribution always promised come advanced infrared detector arrays , allow images developed tens thousands times faster , according evans couple years ago , werner said , infrared astronomy done single detectors small arrays individually assembled detectors since , department defense developed program produce arrays tens hundreds thousands detectors , rather , well suited use sirtf werner noted addition dealing budget pressures , congress currently watching nasa projects eye technological question , think things say , said , detectors 're using straight various military developments also , sirtf built u aerospace industry , 's real technological engineering challenge addition tremendous scientific project sirtf used entire astronomical community , werner added , revised three year mission puts premium observing time educate user community develop program involves early surveys quick turnaround data werner said project required reduction scope complexity sirtf 's three instruments infrared , infrared array camera imaging photometer however , reductions result losses efficiency rather capability , said project hopes start phase b activity 1995 , provide detailed concept development design building hardware would begin two years later projected cost estimates , evans said , 850 million 950 million optimistic sirtf , said provide tremendous return investment werner added additional benefit project enrichment intellectual cultural environment people street interested astronomy black holes , possibility life planets , origin universe kind questions sirtf help answer ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
bobml mxmsd msd measurex com \( bob \) subject changing oil self reply bobml msd measurex com organization measurex msd distribution mxmsd lines 26 article 1993apr15 news cs brandeis edu , andyh chaos cs brandeis edu \( andrew j huang \) writes article 1993apr15 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) writes take electrodes amp ohm volt meter whatever connect one earlobe , insert fingers spark plug boots cheating guys ! hands must used ! couple questions technique first , firing order use \? start pointer finger pinky \? left hand right \? secondly , two cylinders unaccounted suggestions \? andy two big toes \? 're , bother removing drain plug could remove dipstick instead suck mouth spit \? domain bobml msd measurex com bob , senior software engineer uucp ! uunet ! mxmsd ! bobml measurex management systems division voice \( 513 \) 825 1280 kemper meadow drive fax \( 513 \) 825 cincinnati , ohio , usa
robert xenon stanford edu \( robert kennedy \) subject battery storage charge store dry \? organization computer science department , stanford university lines 24 looks like i'm going put couple bikes storage months , starting several months , i'm already contemplating 're easy get going possible everything control , think , besides batteries know buy 50 00 battery tender one leave plugged whole time bikes storage , 'll fine i'm sure 's necessary 've never heard anyone discussing idea , maybe 's reason n't great maybe someone tell would mistake fully charge batteries , drain electrolyte separate containers \( one battery \) , seal container , close batteries , leave way \? would seem bikes come storage , could put electrolyte back batteries still fully charged 's wrong \? related , different note bay area denizens , n't someone bunch spare edta months back \? \? still left \? thanks help ! robert
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject quadra clock works organization university washington lines 11 nntp posting host carson u washington edu summary quadra clock chip swap success keywords quadra , clock , accelerate reading reports germany success accelerating quadra centris simply changing clock oscillator , decided test claim pulled variable speed overdrive motherboard 's 50 mhz clock chip put socket clock 's place inserted 64 mhz ttl clock oscillator left working si 's ca n't believe actually works i'm getting scsi timing errors either short run time 'll keep posting results spend money vso nothing \? keeps working , lack double boot worth effort guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
sandiego ncr com \( mike \) subject tire wanted keywords tires recomend organization ncr e san diego distribution usa lines 20 article 1993apr14 cbnewsm cb att com , cbnewsm cb att com \( antonio j salerno jr \) writes 've got '81 chen \( sp \? \) tires got tires ! reason need new tires beacuse hate \( n't feel safe \) 'd appreciate recomendations get \( new tires ! \) thanks , tony 'll throw vote metzler economy tire , good mid size older bikes rated 130mph wearing well handles 12 mile ride \( \) work well sr500 costs bit irc 's etc , still less sport newer bikes cost chaparral 60 front , 70 rear jon \( mike \) mike sandiego ncr com '78 yamaha sr500 '72 honda '70 husky 400 cross
wex cs ulowell edu \( paul wexelblat \) subject question 120vac outlet wiring \( truth \) keywords outlet reply wex cs ulowell edu organization univ lowell cs dept lines 6 suggest misc consumer house better forum , several electricians , huge faq adresses issues raised wex
ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu subject lciii problems x xxmessage id kimball pc 316 stanford edu x xxdate fri , 16 apr 93 02 11 55 gmt organization stanford university x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 24 article menudo uh edu , sunnyt coding bchs uh edu writes good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position , completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position i'm saying hard disk fail tomorrow 6 months , take chance \? want detailed info problem , please think replies sum fact place hard drive side point sure work 'new' drives , namely 1 3 ht lps drives smaller platter also stable take chance \? 've running maxtor 1 3 ht 120 lps side flat year 've problems period like always say , never trust manufacturer like everything else life , right lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu
cis ohio state edu \( stephen richard \) subject 68040 sale absolutely never used organization ohio state university computer science lines 14 distribution usa nntp posting host gecko cis ohio state edu new 25 mhz motorola 68040 willing sell get good enough offer still static free sealed package n't get good enough offer , use replace 68lc040 takers \? supposedly get one 375 however , moment demand higher supply think 400 good round number pay shipping , course offers send cis ohio state edu
iccgcc decnet ab com \( doug henderson \) subject 286 jumper settings lines 16 received computer \( dos \) without manual describes jumpers motherboard came 640kb 'd 1mb computer setup recognize extra anyone know computer capable greater 640k main board jumpers required expand 1mb \? specs main board number 81 621 phoenix bios v1 51 1985 thanks advance , doug
oecjtb oec4 orbital dialix oz au \( john bongiovanni \) subject summary borland microsoft database c libraries organization orbital engine company lines 384 well , i'm amazed successful exercise received 20 responses 4 requests summary thanks everyone made possible able find codebase , , q e codebase c libraries without sql q e windows application communicated windows dde calls , send sql string receive results people wrote tell paradox engine borland products mentioned microsoft 's odbc , , , codebase , , q e odbc , , , q e sql , decided codebase , mostly ansi c portability version runs dos , unix , etc , includes source code , portability important application works dbase , foxpro , clipper files however , feel microsoft 's odbc looks promising 's mostly building submitting sql queries , formatting query results responses say , 's available via ftp , except 's effectively without two manuals odbc programmer 's reference odbc sdk guide moreover , odbc n't actually interpret sql databases , 's drivers provided database manufacturers also , 's windows \( 's actually extension windows sdk \) nevertheless , 's start sql interface standard , make life interesting future 's original post , followed responses , separated line \( \) anyone know borland microsoft libraries accessing respective databases \( paradox , foxpro \) within c programs \? 'd really like able build sql query string pass function returns query results format failing , access would still better nothing 'd also like hear third party libraries thing people interested , 'll prepare summary i'm told post thanks borland product called paradox engine want current version 3 0 , fully compatible \( ack \) paradox 4 0 \( versions different , n't know pd engine 2 0 compatible 3 0 3 5 \) consists rather broad library functions database files pascal \( think turbo pascal 5 5 \) c \( think either microsoft borland \) reading box 's borland paradox engine database frameworks works borland c c , c 6 01 later , turbo c windows , turbo pascal 6 0 later , tp windows 1 0 later framework applications , bc 3 0 later ms c c 7 0 support object n't real chance really use looks fairly complete i'm planning use summer rick rick husc harvard edu 617 493 617 493 harvard yard mail center cambridge , 02138 usa borland product called paradox engine know ms paradox engine know well , replacement sql , enable save restore records , locking , et al supposedly paradox windows top charles parker phone \( 800 \) 669 technical support \( 617 \) 498 centerline software , inc fax \( 617 \) 868 6655 centerline com cyberspace , n't let yer children grow cowboys know borland library routines accessing paradox within c program recently came version 3 0 works borland microsoft 's c compiler \( 708 \) 979 7101 att ! ! ms put odbc sdk public domain 's big \( believe 1 8 mb \) , worth downloading fast link look ftp uu net vendor microsoft odbc sdk also companies starting provide sql engines got one , exactly cheap 450 , allows programs c \( dos windows \) talk data bases using sql functions code walter fermilab fnal fnal gov check odbc microsoft available ftp uu net vendor microsoft odbc sdk way 've chosen access databases apps mj specialists ms windows windows nt development pp ii call information tool ssss ii miller com pp ss ii solutions , inc 612 860 pp holmes ave 5 minneapolis , mn borland sells paradox engine c language interface paradox , dbase , , ans files also sell database frameworks includes engine plus collection \( source \) c classes using engine earl ems cdc com paradox engine library functions \( large model \) accessing paradox 's databases seems working fine , never try costs 200 hope help david lefebvre david com borland provides database lib called paradox engine access use database files many things gary bell cc monash edu au gary bell department robotics digital technology faculty computing , campus , monash university , australia paradox engine library paradox ii uj edu pl borland sells paradox engine paradox calls hardly sql though searches key fields fields , comparison operators like , pretty painful \( opinion \) anything besides simple retrieval inserts updates i'm currently using \( eval copy \) 've linked entry screens 've written engine library adds 100k size program , load overlay using borland 's manager borland claims later versions engine sql support n't really expect till late year even next year trying get thrid parties help questions let know mike mike vpnet chi il us yes , borland sells paradox engine separately c , c , pascal interfaces , although underlying interface 'c' well least version 2 0 engine \( 99 \) version 3 0 engine , separate c class package michael adc portland , oregon com uunet ! ! 've used paradox \( new version almost ready paradox 4 0 \) access paradox files c pretty good sql though heard borland paradox engine supposed likewise , sure exactly hope helps , good luck ! chris slinky cs nyu edu \( christopher \) borland sells paradox engine \( 3 0 \) 's library functions accessing paradox db files comes libraries ms c 7 0 bcc 3 1 turbo pascal \( v \? \? \) believe comes turbo pascal win libraries well c libraries come dos windows flavors \( win stuff dll 's \) got , also came crystal reports graphical report generator allows create generic form use within compiled program using engine n't know still offer current price , paid something like 50 60 upgrade earlier version though hope helps david taylor commander easier change internet prism gatech edu specification fit program also cfd gatech edu vice versa root cfd gatech edu author unknown \( wise \) want sql within programs , check n't address oops yes ! systems , inc 790 dr 51 sunnyvale , ca 94086 \( usa \) phone 408 738 \( voice \) 408 738 \( fax \) ask sql win demo disk looked good \( background embedded sql ingres looked real similar \) 's little expensive , order demo wait probably send special offer 'll probably run 500 us good luck ! best , tom emunix emich edu \( tom \) borland paradox engine library libraries c pascal access paradox files dos windows paradox , believe 'd buy sql link since n't sql compliant 've used engine year pretty satisfied dos , 's real pig 120k size programs tim associate programmer university utah email tim src utah edu n't know microsoft , borland sells paradox engine c c pascal \( one package \) want dbase compatible files library called codebase software works c c davidr rincon ema rockwell com \( david j ray \) 're using q e database libraries describe 's set dll 's accessed common api talk major database formats 're using build application queries several databases using sql queries access using q e done using sql package available melbourne believe produced pioneer systems us association pioneer systems satisfied customers feel free mail information chris \( programming nsw national parks service \) chris box research programmer university new england chris law su oz au nsw \( 067 \) 727 014 paradox engine 3 0 provides complete set c libraries accessing paradox tables however , seems supports borland turbo c microsoft c tried compile engine 's sample applications waterloo c c \( 32 bit \) compiler , complains library file lib missing even though quite certain file part c engine anybody success c compilers \? ron k ng hydro ca i'm currently developing app borland 's paradox engine c \( also comes pascal \) , recently gone version 3 0 \( e , px engine 3 0 compatible paradox 4 0 , downward compat w 3 5 \) indeed c libs fox access , ca n't think names offhand i'm sure someone already written regard \( think saw add fox lib c users journal , good place look type package general , way \) 've paying dues learn lot quirks px eng past year would n't recommend complex multiuser app i'm staying 's like bad marriage 've got much time invested learning work ! interest limited simple single user interface \( want build sql engine , take \) , px engine job easily n't sound like 'll , write may able point right direction raymond cruzio santa cruz ca us \( raymond \) borland paradox engine database framework 3 0 gives c \( assembler \? \) api paradox databases part boca borland 's object component architecture technical briefs boca , , products jumbo read tasc com \( james mcnamara \) james mcnamara tasc 55 brook drive reading , 617 942 john bongiovanni , systems analyst , orbital engine company , perth , australia oecjtb oec4 orbital dialix oz au , bongo alumni caltech edu opinions expressed organisation
sharma tiger vill edu \( sanjeev sharma \) subject positioning window , openlook keywords windows , openlook organization villanova university lines 20 originator sharma tiger vill edu hi netters , require window appear co \( 0 , 0 \) \( top left corner \) screen \( root window \) could windows guru help go write whole program creates window image displays require image appear top left corner grab recording video , using minivas controller , expects window spot every time thanks advance sincerely , sanjeev sharma office e mail computing science sharma vill edu villanova university \( 215 \) 645 6463
mcrcim mcgill edu \( frederic \) subject developable surface organization mcgill research center intelligent machines , montreal , canada lines 38 article hku hk , hkuxa hku hk \( abel \) writes hi netters , currently investigations developable surface anyone familiar topic give information sources allow find infomation developable surface \? thanks help ! abel hkuxa hku hk developable surface lay \( roll \) flat plane \( may require give cut though \) e g , cylinder , cone , plane \( course ! \) surface patch vanishing gaussian \( intrinsic \) curvature \( e , singular , matrix 2nd derivatives adequate coordinate patch \) developable technical words , developable surface locally isometric plane points think also sphere \( earth \) non developable whatever way \( \) cut , able lay flat pieces \( intrinsic curvature nowhere vanishing \) details look book differential geometry treats surfaces \( 2d \) e g , 's book book , author , manfredo p , title differential geometry curves surfaces , year 1976 , publisher prentice hall , note 503 pages enjoy ! frederic mcrcim mcgill edu mcgill university , electrical eng dept , mcrcim , tel \( 514 \) 398 university st , montreal , qc , canada , fax \( 514 \) 398
jbuddenberg vax cns muskingum edu \( jimmy buddenberg \) subject get vesa controller card \? organization muskingum college lines 9 486dx 25mhz local bus would see much increase speed drives got vesa ide controller card \? need advice ! jimmy buddenberg internet jbuddenberg vax cns muskingum edu muskingum college
enet dec com subject hard drive security fbi targets organization turing police lines 22 cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes example , program disk created totally random files looking like encrypted messages could demonstrate file question could created program , claim , fact , created program must stand true \( since i'm innocent \) unless someone prove wrong hmmm brings neat idea unfortunately , 's sooo neat , think ought patent ca n't tell sorry \) bill copyright 1993 william \( aka \) rights reserved , responsibility taken love smell flash powder morning ! smells like like theatre
bnr ca \( myron petro \) subject boston gun buy back organization bnr inc rtp , nc lines 17 ron miller wrote ask question authorities sponsors buyback programs whether check stolen weapons answer , 's total amnesty \( good point registration schemes used harassment deleted \) would also like point receiving stolen property different pawn shop owner thing myron petro nra , y'all opinions included post sole responsibility protected first amendment second amendment
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject first bike \? \? wheelies organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 24 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , jbc9 andrew cmu edu \( james leo belliveau \) says anyone , serious motorcycle enthusiast without motorcycle , put bluntly , sucks really would like advice would good starter bike know one thing however , need make first bike good one , buying second time soon question specifically interested racing bikes , \( cbr 600 f2 , gsx r 750 \) know may sound kind crazy considering 've never bike , responsible , fast learner , love please give advice think would help search , including places look even specific bikes want sell thanks \) answer obvious zx 11 dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
jim n5ial mythical com \( jim graham \) subject possible faq question uart organization , \? \? \? must joking lines 26 article fmsrl7 srl ford com glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) writes national semiconductor n't know manufacturers make equivalent chips maybe national n't even original , one know , , , , , argument going direct national \( see previous post topic \) , info regarding said n't know 8250 16450 , ns original source 16550 series \( strongly suspect developed others first , \) also tell i'm one wo n't buy uart made anyone national semiconductor jim include std disclaimer h 73 de n5ial \( 4 \) internet jim n5ial mythical com j graham ieee org icbm 30 23n 86 32w amateur radio n5ial w4zbb \( ft walton beach , fl \) amtor selcal nial e mail information kamterm \( host mode kantronics tncs \)
cab col hp com \( chris best \) subject food dehydrators organization service lines 10 distribution usa nntp posting host hpctdkz col hp com anybody one food dehydrators 've seeing late night tv recently \? wondering use forced air , heat , 's heat involved , anybody know temperature run \? wife would like one i'm inclined pay 100 00 box , fan heater seems able throw dehydrator together bucks heck , technology \? 1 , 000 years old \? yeah , 1000 years ago , could n't buy guy sprayed hair !
drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( steve liu \) subject current rom version shipping syquest drives \? organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 4 distribution world nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 title says need know 44 , 88 , rom versions steve \)
subject good book rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu \( ruth ginzberg \) distribution world organization philosophy dept , wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan edu x news reader vms news 1 48 lines 48 gone 10 days , i'm way behind news reading , many repeating something said already read good book away , antibiotic paradox miracle drugs destroying miracle , stuart b levy , , 1992 , press , isbn 0 306 7 drug resistant history antibiotics interesting written level think many sci med readers would appreciate assumes intelligent reader capable understanding scientific concepts , may yet exposed particular information e , assumes smart enough understand , assume already degree microbiology medicine table contents chapter 1 tragedy antibiotic age born chapter 2 disease cure microscopic world bacteria antibiotics chapter 3 reliance medicine self medication seeds antibiotic misuse chapter 4 antibiotic resistance microbial adaptation evolution chapter 5 antibiotic myth chapter 6 antibiotics , animals resistance gene pool chapter 7 ecological considerations antibiotic use agriculture , , pets , minor animal species chapter 8 future prospects new advances potential disaster chapter 9 individual antibiotic resistance chapter 10 antibiotic resistance societal issue local , national , international levels includes bibliography index personally found made good airplane reading rg ruth ginzberg rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu philosophy department wesleyan university usa
khalsa ncr com \( g k khalsa \) subject options would great reply g k khalsa sandiego ncr com organization ncr engineering manufacturing , san diego , ca lines 36 article acs ucalgary ca , parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes list options would useful existing options car , things 'd like 1 \) , great little gadget lets keep rough track mileage , makes good second gas gauge 2 \) full size spare 3 \) built power systems radar detectors 4 \) fitting allows generate household current engine running , plug ins trunk , engine compartment cabin feel free add ok 5 \) fuel gauge really told much fuel left like , make gas 1 14 get gouged right 1 35 \? accurate tenth gallon would great contract gk khalsa ncr engineering manufacturing 16550 w dr \( 619 \) 485 san diego , ca ! ! ! ! g k khalsa sandiego ncr com !
mtl mit edu \( andrew \) subject ic packages organization mit microsystems technology laboratories lines 31 nntp posting host ampere mit edu article 1993apr16 sol ctr columbia edu seema madvlsi columbia edu \( seema varma \) writes getting custom made package expensive , trying choose leadless chip carrier would hard test since soldered test setup would spend loads time soldering kept changing test chip leadless chip carrier sockets also long lead lines may work high speeds anyone experience knowledge field \? would greatly appreciate help ! ideas names companies manufacturing holders sockets packages would help check kyocera america , inc 24 prime park way , suite 150 , one largest manufacturers ic packaging world sounds like would good candidate probing least ic probing test performance hp , cascade tektronix able help one note , testing high frequency accurately expensive business andrew mit microsystems technology laboratory mtl mit edu
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject migraines article pitt reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 19 article drand spinner osf org drand spinner osf org \( douglas rand \) writes 'll ask , neurologist prescribed cafergot alternatives try stated tablets longer available idea \? also suggested trying 800 mg found disappearing n't know perhaps n't profitable cafergot bad , since tablets sometimes migraine patients n't good flushed toilet suspect 'll moving patients dhe nasal spray , far effective gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
nyongwa cam org \( claude \) subject wp pcf , linux , risc \? x advert mail news feeds available email postmaster details organization radio free nyongwa public usenet montreal \( 514 \) 284 lines 32 article ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu \( lee brian \) writes article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw \( ghhwang \) writes dear friend , risc means reduced instruction set computer risc usually small instruction set reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc hmm authority risc \) clearly remember reading instruction set risc cpus rather large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc theoretically supposed reduced longer 's everyone arguing risc v cisc personally , think cisc win take look pentium ! \( like intel architectures either , 's another story \) bye ! mean pentium better risc \? \? first , remember intel cisc \( like pentium \) always generation away best riscs also riscs cpu costly sold quantities \( even order \) remember reading 3 years \( maybe 2 \) \( \? \) 100 mips , instruction
stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu \( kevin l stamber \) subject espn , network heart keywords ! organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 22 dale hunter ties game , scoring third goal game 2 7 seconds remaining regulation could feel coming due contractual agreements , espn unable carry rest game live , may show worthless early season battle two pennant contenders , cleveland indians california angels winning goal scored , grave injustice breaking baseball game something reserved deaths presidents trading joe montana chiefs show goal instant replay n't lucky national coverage hockey \? 's , dammit ! kevin l stamber purdue university penguins 7 , devils 0 roll train , roll !
diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) subject alias phone number wanted organization diablo creative reply diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) x mailer uaccess lite macintosh release 1 6v2 lines 9 phone number alias \? toll free number preferred , available thanks charles boesel diablo creative pro con cboesel diablo uu holonet net 's opposite progress \? 1 510 980 1958 \( pager \) else , congress
jek cu nih gov subject c prophet lines 21 rob butera asks book called lost years jesus , elizabeth clare prophet know book however , miss prophet leader group \( church universal triumphant \) derived group founded mr ballard began mission 1930 's \( writing memory may details straight old account , check library marcus bach \) eighteenth century appeared , tapped shoulder , offered cup cosmic essence major tenet movement mountains tibet monk descends lower altitudes every centuries preach , major religions founded monks typically , ballard family successors , prophet family \( related marriage , remember \) , base almost teachings messages allegedly received telepathy tibet surprised book mention scholarly basis , james kiefer
bnr ca \( peter \) subject sale tr 606 mirage rack mount sampler organization bell northern research ltd lines 23 sale roland tr 606 drum machine near mint condition \( scratches , fully operational \) sorry manuals asking 200 us shipping mirage rack mount sampler minor scratches around rack ear screws advanced sampling option , 32 disks manuals 's long story , may turtle beach vision , sample editing software ibm pc asking 400 us shipping send e mail requests bnr ca regards , peter \( \( bnr ca \) \) spirituality technology bell northern research , ltd \( montreal , canada \)
gideon otago ac nz \( gideon king \) subject christians fight \? justifiable war organization university otago lines 144 posted couple weeks ago , n't seem appeared newsgroup , n't reply moderator intermittent problems mail time please excuse seen christians fight \? last week alastair posted questions fighting , whether things justifiable wars started looking things findings go n't answered questions yet , know slightly different tack , possibly 'll able get deeply later , post info soon duty neighbour good men \( gal 6 10 \) love neighbour \( matt 22 39 \) act part good samaritan \( luke 10 \) toward may trouble therefore render every possible assistance injured man , therefore part organisation causes people harm \( even medical corps army etc \) christians faith citizens commonwealth israel \( ephesians 2 11 12 \) , also recognise god rules kingdoms men , therefore taking part struggles nations part due faith strangers pilgrims amongst nations , passing , part nation national aspirations \( also applied politics etc , 's another story \) supposed strive resist evil \( even suffer \) therefore us strive assist preserving state christ destroy returns set god 's kingdom duty state render therefore unto caesar things caesar 's unto god things god 's \( luke 20 25 \) let every soul subject unto higher powers power god powers ordained god whosoever power , ordinance god \( rom 13 1 2 \) submit every ordinance man lord 's sake whether king supreme god well ye may put silence ignorance foolish men \( 1 pet 2 13 15 \) scriptures make clear submission powers divine command , equally clear acts 5 19 29 ordinance man runs counter god 's law , must refuse submission reason god 's bond servants service life 's task example type thing col 3 22 23 work heartily unto lord also work boss god e pressed , shaken together , running oops bit side track contests nations , god 's side side fighting battle , testifying truth believe god embrace promises , become fellow citizens saints household god , longer interested associations world think relation unions etc well paul tells us lay aside every weight may run race set us , wise , discard association would retard progress thou therefore endure good soldier jesus christ man affairs life , may please hath chosen soldier \( 2 tim 2 3 4 \) one warns ye yoked together unbelievers one obvious applications marriage unbelievers , also covers things like business position may form close association person persons believing truth god \( case army \) principle comes deut 22 10 remember well different animals different strengths , one clean one unclean law ideas strongly stressed 2 cor 6 13 18 suggest read also another aspect , jesus says take yoke upon , yoked christ cannot yoked unbelievers already seen christ , paul says become ye men \( 1 cor 7 23 rv \) example old testament question asked 2 chr 19 2 thou help ungodly \? situation good example happens yoked together unbelievers lucky escape life facts 1 made affinity , sold work wickedness lord \( 1 kings 21 25 \) 2 asked form military alliance , agreed said thou art , people thy people \( 1 kings 22 4 \) unequal 3 firm refusing advice false prophets insisted hearing prophet lord \( trying right thing \) , found yoked therefore could n't break away evil association made god says us come among ye separate , touch unclean thing , receive ye shall sons daughters \( 2 cor 6 17 \) less found far i'm still looking , n't think 've answered questions raised alastair yet heres summary things think christian command obedience command essential factor relationship christ \( john 15 10 , 14 \) total dedication course action required \( romans 12 1 2 \) disobedience compromises close relationship christ followers \( 1 pet 2 7 8 \) separated god \( rom 6 4 \) involves master servant relationship \( rom 6 12 , 16 \) man serve two masters \( matt 6 24 , 13 , 14 \) lust pride quite opposed \( 1 john 2 16 \) christs kingdom world \( e worldly nature \) , servants would fight deliver christ master delivered servants kingdom world , servants cannot possibly fight another master strangers pilgrims rights , cannot swear allegiance anyone god servant lord must war gentle \( 2 tim 2 24 \) apply war , also avoiding strife throughout lives war waged , man 's weapons \( 2 cor 10 3 4 \) , god 's armour \( 13 20 \) 'll probably post 've time look things bit gideon king phone 64 3 479 university otago fax 64 3 479 department computer science e mail gideon otago ac nz p box 56 dunedin next mail preferred ! new zealand
levy levy fnal gov \( mark e levy , ext \) subject sources intel \? nntp posting host levy fnal gov organization fermilab computing division lines 18 midst designing project requires two motors led driven pulse width modulation i'm using , understand fb version programmable counter array essentially set forgotten pwm problems , variant difficult come need two three prefix \( ceramic window \) version development , lots p prefix \( plastic \) later production 've tried , arrow , pioneer \( might \) , i'm looking samples point , 're willing provide would buy , vendors 100 00 help appreciated mark e levy , fermilab bitnet levy fnal unix computing internet levy fnal gov sketch art hepnet span levy \( vms ! \)
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject competing standard nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 22 perhaps one way getting away cripple chip u government seems pushing would come good alternative example , scheme using rsa , hybrid des cfb another strong stream cipher \( maybe idea cfb \) \? could substantially cripple chip , except instead key registration , police could demand give secret key \( court issued warrant \) , could read last months wiretapped messages 've sent , assuming 've committed crimes , could generate new key pair go business find 'd willing pay rsa right use system , especially given alternative unwilling give secret key , 'd probably stay jail \( anyone got real legal precedent \? \) would allow court issued warrants used gather information suspected criminals , could n't done secrecy , would enormously less likelihood corruption theft escrowed keys \( maybe someone law enforcement intelligent community correct , n't seem like big loss terms law enforcement capabilities \) comments \? john kelsey
cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) subject nx2000 vs sentra se r organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 17 reply cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu i'm trade sentra se r nx2000 car 11 , 500 miles '92 model nx2000 dealer selling '91 model 23 , bar roof , c , airbag , sentra asking 1500 fair deal \? thing noticed nx2000 engine seem much torque sentra identical engine presume last lady owner really push engine 's limits mine , nx2000 's engine little tight , buy nx2000 excercise well , slight power problem go away \? advice much appreciated thanks please reply via e mail possible motion picture major brooks institute photography , ca santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur , malaysia mind forerunner states
alaa peewee unx dec com \( alaa zeineldine \) subject hamas way death organization digital equipment corp x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 12 tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes brought separate question israel 's unjustified policies practices , still unclear reaction practices reflected article tim separate question mr clock deceiving judge resistance movement context occupation alaa zeineldine
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject prayers advice requested family problem organization indiana university lines 34 julie , really trying situation described brother living someone like things almost bad \( although left considerably shorter amount time due problems relationship \) anyway , best thing would get everyone room together \( optimally room nothing breakable \) , lock door behind , throw key underneath door \( far longest hand reach would like get conclusion , would imagine \) , hash things likely , screaming , crying , possibly hitting \( unless course someone decided bring rope tie people \) best strategies keeping things would include individual statements \( ie , feel relationship hurting everyone involved really n't understand 're coming \) reinforce statements paraphrasing , etc \( ie , think \? well , let say reason \) n't accuse \( fault happened ! \) find common ground something \( really functional time \) guaranteed , situation like , going \( hashing topics assumed resolved , truly someone feels someone else blame \) however , kept minimum simply ask forgiveness apologize situation without holding smoldering relationship really work 's matter keeping things smooth even 's sort like making peace treaty warring factions ca n't give one side everything must compromise breaks taken , communication everyone involved must continue relationships survive joe fisher
frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) organization , x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 22 vidar olaf \( dhhalden \) wrote somebody tell letter spesifications motorcycle models really mean example means c , b r honda cbr v , , g , l p suzuki honda v designates v engine street bike vf v 4 , vt v twin cb street bike parallel twin inline 4 cylinder engine r used mean race bike , also used mean sport bike cl old street bikes high pipes cm custom street bike cr dirt two strokes xl dual purpose bike xr dirt four stroke , dual purpose bike l suffix gl touring bike frank ball 1ur frankb sad hp com \( 707 \) 794 4168 work , hewlett packard \( 707 \) 794 3844 fax , \( 707 \) 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 , xt350 , seca 750 , '62 f 100 , pl510 park ca 4999 , law , ama , dod , i'm nra
jmgree01 starbase spd louisville edu \( jude greer \) subject gateway 2000 ati lb problem nntp posting host starbase spd louisville edu organization university louisville lines 25 wondering anyone problem gateway 2000 486 33dx vl bus system ati graphics ultra pro lb computer resolution 800x600 , everything fine , whenever use 800x600 \( windows , autocad , gifs \) screen gets 1 1 2 inches shorter top bottom screen 3 4 bar black screen n't cut , everything smaller space aspect ratio manually change v size back , pain ass , n't happen anyway 've called gateway numerous times n't able help two different times sent new card , times new card n't work computer even tried bill first card n't get back couple days , told phone would wait 2 weeks billing card customer support different story , anyone problem , please let know know hell , let know n't solution , know i'm one problem thanks advance jude greer jmgree01 starbase spd louisville edu p already tried going mach 32 install program manually set ting card n't work whenever try increase vertical size 800x600 screen , starts cut top bottom
house helios usq edu au \( ron house \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization university southern queensland lines 21 wam umd edu \( jay stein objectively subjective \) writes question effective difference objective values exist , disagreement values subjective \? n't see first means aspect reality contains objective values second means values reference preference individual first case , possible future discovery might invalidate certain views objective values ron house usq \( house helios usq edu au \) , australia
x mailer tmail version 1 15r c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really subject rules engagement \( 18 israelis murdered march distribution world lines 77 1993apr8 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu , hasan mcrcim mcgill edu wrote article 1993apr8 frej teknikum uu se , flax frej teknikum uu se \( jonas flygare \) writes article 1993apr6 6425 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu , hasan mcrcim mcgill edu writes article flax frej teknikum uu se , flax frej teknikum uu se \( jonas flygare \) writes first , statement doesnot say existence israeli citizens wb revoke right life says israeli occupation wb revoke right life citizens basically right military men clearly , occupation undeclared war war , attacks military targets fully legitimate 'd like tell , words military , wrt israel uniform , \? duty , duty \? soldier , \? \( , since 's compulsory one might regard israeli legit target using definition \) uniform \? doesnot make difference person army duty , duty \? doesnot matter army man duty vacation week soldier , \? sure meant military men trying get clear , please bear far tell , 're proposing following rules engagement israel palestinean resistance please feel revise preliminary draft necessary 1 \) israeli military personnel fair game time , uniform , duty practice , since male female israeli military age \( 18 \? \) may duty military , young children acceptable targets since existence israel constitutes indication hostile intent , provocation required 2 \) avoid violations rights non palestineans , israeli forces must engage palestineans without positive identification military personnel , clear indication aggressive intent , clear field fire \) positive identification may assured either checking palestinean military uniform , posession exclusively military \( ie , mig 29 aircraft \) , self identification \( either verbal documentary \) note dual use military civilian weaponry hand grenades , ak 47 rifles , rpg launchers constitute positive military identification require closer inspection document checks b \) aggressive intent \( distinct merely intent , normal condition \) may assured less three rounds incoming fire separated intervals less ten seconds rounds note single burst automatic weapon fire one round , rocket fire one source noted , dual use weaponry may assumed originate military personnel , thus justify armed response c \) clear field fire guaranteed making positive military identification personnel target area weapons used note aggressive intent need proven possible targets thus , iaf aircraft attacked sam crew necessary check papers crew member long none obviously civilians \( indicated , instance , posession civilian weaponry stones , axes , molotov \) since often difficult iaf elements land make necessary checks , ground forces first screen prospective strike areas fire acm purposes , pass within 5 meters usually sufficient purpose , may repeated necessary c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
subject quick way tell local beat writer dumb gajarsky pilot njin net \( bob gajarsky hobokenite \) organization somewhere hoboken lines 10 jayson stark \( 's \) fits perfectly category anyone writes dean palmer 2 homers pace , 'll 324 home runs ! shot , end april , 11 , anyone writes pace , 'll 100 homers ! shot bob gaj
jmichael vnet ibm com subject hardware pc article almaden lines 7 find copy 8088 assembler language programming ibm pc , 2nd ed pub sams , discussion game control adapter , , conversion uses , well assembler program need greater accuracy , reason could n't modify approach suit needs jim
dsegard nyx cs du edu \( daniel segard \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double stan organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 15 mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes goes cultural practices festival easter may possibly historical association pagan festival , today , far know , christians intend honor kind pagan goddess celebrating easter argument would compelling ishtar eggs ishtar bunnies mix pagan fertility symbols worship pagan goddess fertility biblical belief \? would really lost drop word easter replace occurances resurrection sunday \? would show services called resurrection sunday services rather easter services \?
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 71 19 \( 2 mb worth ! \) uuencode 'd gif images contain charts outlining one many alternative space station designs considered crystal city mr mark works hall , reached comment \( 713 \) 483 , via e mail nasa gov mark proposed design , calls \( rough outside , gem inside \) et integrated hab modules centrifuge see file gif , uses space shuttle external tank \( et \) place much truss currently part space station freedom white track outside et used station manipulator system \( \) reaction control system \( rcs \) pod allows rcs pod move along track occur near center gravity \( cg \) station mass properties station change assembly inline module design allows shuttle dock easily approach closer station 's cg structurally strong part station current ssf design , docking forces limited 400 pounds , seriously design docking system et would hatch installed pre flight , little additional launch mass 've always ability put et orbit \( contrary rumors circulated \) , 've never reason , good reasons \( performance penalties , control , debris generation , eventual de orbit impact footprint \) orbit , would vent residual h2 et insulation \( \) either \) orbit impact atomic oxygen , b \) stays , deploy kevlar sheath around protect keep contaminating local space environment option b \) advantage providing protection et incredibly strong \( remember , supports whole stack launch \) , could serve nucleus much ambitious design budget permits white module end et contains set control moment gyros used attitude control , rcs used gyro module also contains de orbit system used end station 's life perform controlled de orbit \( n't kill , like skylab \) centrifuge , volume hab module , could used long term studies effects lunar martian gravity humans centrifuge used momentum storage device whole attitude control system centrifuge mounted one modules , opposite et solar panels design uses existing ssf designs electrical , data communication systems , getting leverage ssf work done date mark proposed design joe shea 's committee crystal city , reports warmly received however , rumors hear say design based wingless space shuttle orbiter seems likely please note text interpretation mark 's design see notes gif files instead posting 2 mb file sci space , tried post anon ftp ames arc nasa gov , storage space 'll let know get done ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 development space station inevitable rising sun von braun
mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk lines 31 x newsreader rusnews v1 01 frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes objective morality \? , children , person playing objective morality n't exist , show one game play anything objective medicine \? objective physics \? objective reality \? precisely 's objective medicine people get results alternative therapy , others respond traditional medicine 's objective physics einstein bohr told us 's objective reality lsd sufficient prove one wonders people ask questions understand term objective , anything consider useful fiction abstract ideal strive towards like ideal gas light string , n't actually exist talk things like , far wrong mathew
skinner csrd uiuc edu \( gregg skinner \) subject davidians compassion reply g skinner uiuc edu organization uiuc center supercomputing research development lines 26 sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 1993apr20 569 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote judge christians acts would call christian yet \? bd 's contradicted scripture actions christian simple perhaps read much media portrayed ask true believing christian find deny association bd 's even 7th day adventists denied ties cult , well , satanists , followers obscure religion , would sure christians would unison condemn make show case might sure , would also wrong show dangers religion order word mind virus make mothers capable letting small children burn ashes scream \? suspect answer question answer , actions likes stalin show dangers atheism \?
jr0930 eve albany edu \( regan james p \) subject pascal fractals organization state university new york albany thanks advance lines 5 jr0930 eve albany edu jr0930 albnyvms bitnet go heavy go home
wdm world std com \( wayne michael \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? summary searching adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms keywords image enhancement organization n lines 19 hello , searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix x motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop mac able find , would appreciate information products could provide would particularly interested software runs hp sun workstations , require special add hardware , would also interested solutions thank wayne wayne michael wdm world std com
galvint cs nps navy mil \( thomas galvin \) subject washington beat pitt organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca lines 23 article 93105 psuvm psu edu robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes article 1993apr14 mprgate mpr ca , galaxy mpr ca \( mathew \) says chances year \) , seems like washington team stop penguins winning next stanley cup really \? think islanders devils would better chance penguins capitals , imo robbie po pgh penguins ! ! ! wo n't easy , contact '93 '94 '91 stanley cup greater rewards penn state lady lions '92 champions mountains valleys rap115 psuvm psu edu 11 straight wins ! better nothing ! really \? makes think islanders better shot \? could n't even beat whalers two games ! \( well , since 're pens fans whole question moot think teams likely beat pens bruins , nordiques , blackhawks n't think really \) \) tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
dewinter prl philips nl \( rob de winter \) subject wanted info asymetrix toolbook originator dewinter prl philips nl organization philips research laboratories , eindhoven , netherlands lines 17 anyone know phone fax number asymetrix corporation also interested e mail address would also like know current status product toolbook received last update 1 5 1 5 year ago new developments toolbook slowly dying \? regards , rob de winter nothing beats skiing , want real fun holidays rob de winter philips research , ist , building wl 1 p box 80000 , 5600 ja eindhoven netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl
egg dsto gov au subject chosing optimal colors colormap \? organization defence science technology organisation lines 12 nntp posting host dsto gov au hi , i'm looking algorithm would generate good cross section rgb colours given limited colour map size problem i'm writing application pc may 256 colors want use one colormap \( palette \) application 'd like contain even spread colours visible spectrum could use rgb cube problem lot colours almost identical human eye anyone know optimize choice colors \?
dealy narya gsfc nasa gov \( brian dealy csc \) subject xwindows always opaque organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 57 distribution comp nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa gov keywords xwindow , parent child relation originator dealy narya gsfc nasa gov article hess swt1 , hess swt1 informatik uni hamburg de \( hauke hess \) writes hi , wonder possible parent window paint area childs , could possible implement across multiple xwindows select objects displayed one window \? hauke specify rootwindow creating gc may use xlib draw multiple windows application something similar rubber banding move \( disp data , xc crosshair \) geom vals foreground grey dark geom vals plane mask geom vals line width 0 geom vals function gxxor geom vals mode mask geom xcreategc \( disp data , root , mask , geom vals \) later move rubber band bands using following logic void move bands \( int delt , int delt \) stuff deleted \( disp data , root , geom , sele pntr , sele pntr , sele pntr , sele pntr \) old one sele pntr delt sele pntr delt sele pntr delt sele pntr delt \( disp data , root , geom , sele pntr , sele pntr , sele pntr , sele pntr \) draw new one stuff deleted hope helps brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) organization hand held products , inc lines 70 distribution na nntp posting host dale handheld com article magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes jim de arras \( jmd cube handheld com \) wrote article magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes n't know anyone state gun control could effect homicide rates 250 accidental handgun homicides america 1990 , licensed weapons american children accidentally shot children last year \( 15 \) handgun homicides great britain \( source national safety council please dictionary arguments rates vs total numbers , okay \? 're offered emphasis , comparison \) 're great chose sources information , claim superior i'm aware using numbers ozone , unless consider got 've made claim please direct attention towards posting mine claimed superior sources information 's probably bothered post references others seem content post numbers pulled ozone , 've confused fact twisting , apologize yes , state reference , claim 's good fair treatment take twisted numbers twist trying well , 's fair opportunity prove 've twisted numbers grounds contradict references \? citations sources take similar gratuitous shots \? fail see differences absolute numbers rates compare absolute numbers two countries major population differences , usa gb , whine afraid someone might attack process , claim numbers emphasis , comparison \? emphasis \? nitpicking debating style , jim , miss point methods , prove gun control total failure new york 's total count , 's strict gun control , much higher rhode island 's , 's less strict gun control far folks killed new york , rhode island therefore , according logic \( tm \) , gun control made new york much dangerous place rhode island remember , 's nitpicking debating style point differences new york rhode island might defeat argument anything else blowing smoke , agree \? wow , break ! stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes associates new york , ny , usa jim
uclink berkeley edu \( bret \) subject good sound formats conversion program \? \? organization university california , berkeley lines 34 nntp posting host uclink berkeley edu article cc monash edu au cc monash edu au \( li \) writes hi , anyone know good sound formats conversion program \? \? \? \( like picture formats conversion \) please send copy reply ! ! ! thanks lot bel hi best sound conversion program 've ever seen , shareware germany found copy somewhere wuarchive wustl edu long time ago , n't know offhand directory 's great converting files types , including mac , next , sun , various pc formats 's also great player editor , various special effects put windows' sound recorder shame requires driver various sound cards builtin one pc speaker \( even sounds pretty good \) , 're using convert things , convert play sound recorder give try ! bret , 's second soda berkeley edu biggest monkey head 've ocf berkeley edu ever seen ! uclink berkeley edu
subject cable tvi interference ganter ifi unibas ch \( robert ganter \) organization institut fuer informatik nntp posting host schroeder ifi unibas ch lines 56 article 4t hpscit sc hp com writes typical , probably somebody else 's job although n't needed , might take minutes wander around neighborhood ht cable leakage freq shutting system fortunate enough find hole , call cable company get highest link chain command explain problem , whose job really maintain equipment , much nice guy tracked problem may lucky made new contact could helpful future always try approach bringing jack nicholson impressions \) worked past power company find loose noisy high voltage lines hardware tell narrowing problem specific pole whole line poles car got 'em night , n't meet jack ! disclaimer , method finding loose hardware usually poles huge high tech arc finding could n't find problem bill rotten garden switzerland , situation exactly cable tv companies even tried stop amateur radio switzerland beginning cable tv \( seem stupid know anything international frequency conferences \) even today , use cheapest possible coax running problems ca n't solve anymore bill noted , way look solution neighbours calling cable tv guys fcc chance find neighbours sense reason far bigger people \( especially first ones \) anywhere administration people n't like , tell work money get problem , radio amateurs n't power put rights cases let 's hope start soon optical fibers get cheers robert \( hb9nby \) robert ganter universitaet basel fan institut fuer informatik plan basel switzerland ganter ifi unibas ch amateurradio hb9nby packet hb9nby hb9eas che eu
tom ssd csd harris com \( tom horsley \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization harris computer systems division lines 27 1993apr20 magnus acs ohio state edu 1993apr20 192105 11751 ulysses att com demon co uk 1993apr21 132318 16981 ulysses att com nntp posting host amber ssd csd harris com reply smb research att com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 13 23 18 gmt n't like unit key generation process better however s1 s2 supposed control escrow agents ca n't trusted keep seed values secure , ca n't trusted keep half keys secure hope something n't understand system , someone tell chips going manufactured maintaining half key total control separate escrow agencies \? n't key come together \( form \) time chip constructed \? built like prom , chip sent 1st escrow agency program 1 2 key , 2nd agency program 1 2 key \( invents safeguards prevent 2nd agency reading information already programmed 1st \) \? n't intended flame anything , really curious manufacture things still maintaining key escrow security without simply saying trust manufacturer , wo n't look domain csd harris com usmail tom horsley uucp ! uunet ! hcx1 ! 511 circle beach , fl censorship form obscenity \( wait , forgot government tobacco subsidies \)
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 32 article 1993apr20 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes well 40 days come hands national tv get trial deserved instead chose set fire compund hours tanks dropped tear gas third person 's fbi 's line fires set six hours tear gas injected suppose want explain us videotape footage shown national tv last night tank gas injecting tubes pulling injection tubes second story building building begins smoke fire \? 've already corrected mistake earlier thread saw brief news report led since seen detailed summaries show tanks returned late morning , n't bd 's leave gas first introduced much earlier morning \? n't care children \? n't release children weeks ago \? tell joe
coburnn spot colorado edu \( nicholas coburn \) subject identify bike nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution usa lines 24 ok , saw bike today want know lets begin saying whole rear end definately hawk 650 additionally , cbr900rr style tank , full fairing , tach , first thought \( hawk modified two brothers racing \) , think made huge tank additionally , gauges certainly hawk looked much like 900rr gauges overall , bike looked like 900rr except rear single sided swingarm wheel \( straight hawk \) , see \? \( ps , boulder , saw parked engineering center today white light green stripes \) nick coburn dod 6425 ama coburnn spot colorado edu
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject i'm getting car , need opinions organization lehigh university lines 47 article usenet ins cwru edu , cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun h wan \) writes previous article , ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( danny phornprapha \) says 30 , 000 budget i'm looking sports gt car think would best buy \? \( i'm looking specific models \) thanks , danny hey ! programmers ! danny phornprapha please consider ip02 lehigh edu bugs another endangered earth student konsultant species needing protection work \( 215 \) 758 sports car , 'd go rx 7 without sports suspension \( stiff \) little practicality comfort , nissan 300zx turbo good buy good dose luxury , lexus sc300 perfect \( manual transmission course \) however , toyota supra coming soon like 's looks , performance supposed great , almost race car like n't particulary like mitsubishi 's dodge heavy n't nimble handlers sports car motion picture major brooks institute photography , ca santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur , malaysia mind forerunner states thing 300zx turbo new supra 're 10k budget good , lonely mark twain
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject cs burn explode x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 13 fbi released large amounts cs tear gas compound waco cs tear gas fine power cs grain dust suspended air form explosive mixture , cs suspended air form explosive mix \? could large quantities cs fueled rapid spread fire compound \? please note directing followups talk politics guns rod anderson n0nzo acceptable substitute boulder , co brains silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo ao 16
barr pop psu edu \( david barr \) subject tvtwm xsetroot , x11r5 sparc 10 keyboard organization penn state population research institute lines 32 nntp posting host darwin pop psu edu article 101 384 oak shu ac uk haywood sheffield hallam ac uk writes hi , environment sun sparc 10 , sunos 4 1 3 x11r5 path level 23 x process started xdm okay , 's good i'm typing exactly setup \( us unix layout keyboard \) install sunkbd patch , though \) want setup \( root window \? \) tvtwm display display etc \( grey boring colour work \) ! make sure 're using ssetroot , comes tvtwm tvtwm starts , nukes existing root window use ssetroot tvtwm starts \( could spawn \( sleep 10 ssetroot \) \) also use filename want another color besides grey ii \) open xterm sparc 10 , keys recognised keys keyboard sending correct characters install sunkbd patch \? 's contrib directory export keys keyboard send events properly , except following end , , 6 key cluster n't recognized even compose key works \( though ca n't seem get composed characters xterm get passed \) anyone fix last two \? dave system administrator , penn state population research institute dog \( woof woof woof \? page 725 \) kibo
abbott enet dec com \( robert abbott \) subject water trunk 89 probe \? \? nntp posting host organization tp performance lines 18 article transfer stratus com , tszeto sneezy ts stratus com \( tommy szeto \) writes water gradually builds trunk friend 's 89 ford probe every would remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk would guess usually happens good thunder storm qs 1 \) common problem \? 2 \) drain holes located hatch \? problem '90 mx 6 luckily fixed warranty think replaced tail light gasket check dealer , 's known problem robert k abbott abbott tps enet dec com
helium gas uug arizona edu \( \) subject bus clk speed \? organization university arizona , tucson lines 22 article 1993apr14 debbie cc nctu edu tw cc nctu edu tw \( wei shi \) writes robert desonia \( robert desonia hal9k ann arbor mi us \) wrote one bios setup says bus clk set default 4 , able get work 3 si 3 142 something didnt want mess anything set back 4 also , pc didnt boot set 2 , leave 4 \? think 's impossible let bus operated much 8mhz c neat 286 20 mother board , set bus clock 10 mhz , hd stopped boot 's correct clk n means many wait states sm think depends motherboard cards system hd stopped boot probably hd controller ca n't handle faster bus speed 486 33dx , set bus divider clk 2 5 , close gain performace increase video card harddisk transfer rate boost bus speed system work flawlessly setting know , go clk 2 \( bus \) , hd refuse boot 2 cent jim
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject catalog hard find pc enhancements \( repost \) organization computer science department , stanford university lines 33 andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) writes article unix portal com shell portal com \( joe doll \) wr catalog personal computing tools engineers scien lists hardware cards application software packages pc xt ps 2 class machines focus engineering scien applications pcs , data acquisition control , design automation , data analysis presentation would like free copy , reply \( u postal \) mailing address n't bother never comes 's cheap trick building mailing list sell junk mail flow indication andy sent address months ago perhaps get portal nuke never received catalog either person n't respond growing flame , assume look forward lotsa junk mail n't want , want honest junk mail much interesting promised catalog 'd known going get , would n't would n't surprised folks looked ad said nope would interested junk mail results similarly , people wanted advertised catalog n't happy junk got instead folks buying mailing lists would prefer honest ad , would people reading andy
vcd hp com \( bob taylor \) subject canon bj200 \( bubblejet \) hp deskjet 500 organization hewlett packard vcd x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 26 justin whitton \( ma90jjw isis mod uk \) wrote article vcd hp com edmoore vcd hp com \( ed moore \) writes thomas fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote think ink used deskjet family water fast 've pictures ruined drops rain colour pictures deskjet 500c mind , could acid rain \) black ink , color n't use ink dries fast , really n't like getting wet justin whitton ma90jjw hermes uk mod relay man gone august mail ma90jjw brunel ac uk disclaimer opinions count nothing , except office empty i'm student intelligence 0 bob taylor hp vancouver
daviss sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( f davis \) subject conference manned lunar exploration may 7 crystal city organization distribution na lines 107 article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes aw st brief blurb manned lunar exploration confernce may 7th crystal city virginia , auspices aiaa anyone know \? much , attend \? \? \? \? anyone want go \? pat selected excerpts invitation registration form sent without permission , typo 's mine low cost lunar access one day conference explore means benefits human lunar program friday , may 7 , 1993 hyatt crystal city hotel arlington , va conference low cost lunar access conference forum exchange ideas initiate structure affordable human lunar program inherent low cost programs principle implemented rapidly meet objectives within short time frame deleted conference program \( preliminary \) washington room 9 00 9 10 opening remarks dr alan 9 10 9 30 address mr brian 9 30 10 00 u policy outlook john pike , american federation scientists discussion prospects introduction new low cost lunar initiative view uncertain direction space program taking 10 00 12 00 noon morning sessions presentations architectures , systems , operational concepts emphasis mission approaches produce significant beyond apollo yet judged affordable present era severely constrained budgets room 12 00 1 30 p lunch guest speaker mr john w young , nasa special assistant former astronaut washington room 1 30 2 00 p international policy outlook ian \( invited \) esa , washington office prevailing situation respect international space commitments , insights preconditions european entry new agreements , would required cooperative lunar program 2 00 3 30 p afternoon sessions presentations scientific objectives , benefits , applications emphasis placed scientific technological value lunar program registration form fee us 75 00 mail address american institute aeronautics astronautics dept washington , dc fax \( 202 \) 646 says register site aiaa annual meeting friday morning , may 7 , 7 30 10 30 sounds interesting bad ca n't go ! ! ! ! steven davis daviss sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( \) db mcdonnell douglas n't represent vv space systems company anybody \( \) houston division
kurt gmr com subject gm may build toyota car organization gm r lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host cs gmr com x useragent nuntius v1 1 x xxmessage id cs gmr com x xxdate fri , 16 apr 93 13 54 11 gmt appeared today japan economic journal reported gm plans build toyota car us sale japan bruce macdonald , vp gm corporate communications , yesterday confirmed gm president ceo jack smith meeting recently , president toyota meeting two discussed business opportunities increase gm exports japan , including component sales well completed vehicle sales , parts sales , two presidents agreed conceptually pursue arrangement whereby gm would build toyota , right hand drive vehicle us sale toyota japan working group formed model specifications , exact timing details
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject moonbase race organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 13 reply sysmgr king eng umd edu nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes apollo done hard way , big hurry , limited technology base government contracts privately , rather government project , cuts costs factor several much would cost private venture , assuming could talk u government leasing couple pads florida \? software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
jimc tau ceti isc br com \( jim cathey \) subject video questions organization olivetti north america , spokane , wa lines 28 article hpfcso fc hp com myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) writes situation sometimes called block sync \) generate combined \( composite \) sync two simple ways h v together , gives non block sync , , makes \( try ! \) actually , n't really kosher sync , since puts rising \( falling , matter \) edge h sync pulse pulse width usually makes difference sometimes depends monitor timing n't enough vertical front porch use xor composite sync get even odd tearing top screen , sensitive control looks like would expect scanned even fields \( say \) onto sheet mylar pinched upper left corner fingers started tear tube proper composite sync \( pulses \) rock solid ! ii ! jim cathey ! ii ! isc bunker ! ii cc ! taf c8 spokane , wa ! cc ! uucp uunet ! isc br ! jimc \( jimc isc br isc br com \) ! ii ! \( 509 \) 927 one design rule one design find one design bring darkness bind land mediocrity pc 's lie
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject fast article cactus 1993apr17 organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx lines 63 article armory centerline com jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) writes boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes quality autobahns something myth road surface n't much different typical tx freeway better terms lighting , safety , signs , etc light highways texas \? funny , everywhere else 've light 'em junctions sorry , meant autobahns , us freeways wo n't even get much road markings vary states localities except say areas markings essentially roads dip asphalt test shocks 60 kill 130 n't get wrong , love would quite severe n't recall us freeway , without road damage warnings , would regard unsafe 130 decent , well damped car suspect limited experience us freeways vary dramatically , particularly states name number interstate highways various parts country 130 would optimistic car well , 've driven every state alaska , drive 60k per year take long cross country trips chance get fun get job allows drive rather fly labor point , 've driven every us , germany , uk france plus mexico , good i'm sure call quite severe terms road deviations suspect every single bridge junction ct would considered 're hard take 85mph 's interstate 've seen deviations , 's one drive frequently yes , age total freeway us \? case mark hazard , advising people slow 85 texas pretty much edge case ca n't assume everywhere roads good condition , flat terrain , texas freeways varied , sometimes good surface mostly flat , i5 ca comparable wide open spaces ai n't given absence traffic car built 130 \( e g 535 \) us freeways fine problem road users cops jim frost jimf centerline com craig
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject jemison star trek article aurora 1993apr20 1 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 16 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu article fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes saw newspaper last night dr mae jemison , first black woman space \( 's physician chemical engineer flew endeavour last year \) appear transporter operator star trek next generation episode week may 31 's hardly space science , know , 's interesting doug loss interesting rigth wonder make mention astronaut credits think might help people connect future space present give idea must go space michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
jek cu nih gov subject etymology easter lines 53 src languages , feast resurrection lord known , , variation thereof , word comes hebrew pesach , meaning passover english , german , related languages , however , known easter , variation thereof , questions asked origin term one explanation given venerable bede de 1 5 , derives word name anglo saxon goddess spring called bede great scholar , natural take word lived 673 735 , augustine began preaching kent 597 use word easter describe feast would well established birth bede probably birth anyone might discussed subject seems likely derivation guess , based awareness anglo saxon goddess spring bearing name , resemblance words thus , said resemblance \( surely surprising spring name similar word dawn \) convincing , testimony \( rather conjecture \) bede make assuming bede right , would justify saying christian celebration \( , , going centuries name easter applied \) pagan roots would simply mean anglo , upon becoming christians beginning celebrate resurrection festival every spring , called name meant simply spring festival however , bede 's theory proposed j , die , fuer 5 \( vienna , 1959 \) 27 45 , offers following derivation among latin speaking christians , week beginning feast resurrection known \( white week \) , since newly baptized christians accustomed wear white baptismal throughout week sometimes week referred simply rendering german mistook plural , meaning dawn accordingly rendered , old high german dawn gave rise form easter english , james kiefer , i'm interested restarting discussions propriety celebrating easter however seems like contains enough interesting information people might like see clh
pinky tamu edu \( man behind curtain \) subject views perspectives \? organization texas university lines 87 nntp posting host tamsun tamu edu keywords perspectives i'm working upon game using isometric perspective , similar used basically , look room looks similar following xxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx 2 xxxx 1 xxxx x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx xxxx x xxxx 3 xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx good thing perspective look move around three dimensions still maintain peripheral vision since viewpoint always , routines hard coded particular vantage case , wall two 's rising edge slope 1 4 \( i'm also using mode x , \) 've run two problems i'm sure readers tried , perhaps formulated opinions 1 \) routines drawing walls 1 2 trivial , ran packed planar image , dismayed i'm considered anti aliasing routines \( speed really necessary \) worth effort artist draw wall already skewed , thus assured nice image , much burden \? 2 \) wall 3 presents problem algorithm used tends overly distort original tried decide paper pixels go , failed anyone come method mapping planar shape \? currently take 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 produce 1 2 3 4 33 34 35 36 17 18 19 20 5 6 7 8 49 50 51 52 37 38 39 40 21 22 23 24 9 10 11 12 53 54 55 56 41 42 43 44 25 26 27 28 13 14 15 16 57 58 59 60 45 46 47 48 29 30 31 32 61 62 63 64 line 1 follows slope line 2 directly line 1 line 3 moves line left 4 pixels line 4 line 3 fills shape exactly without pixels causes distortions anyone come better way \? perhaps necessary simply draw original bitmap already skewed \? particularly sticky problems perspective \? planning hidden plane removal using z buffering locations stored \( x , , z \) form noticed , top lines wall 2 \( wall 1 \) parallel bottom lines appears optical illusion \( ie appears either inside outside cube , depending mood \) vanishing points simplifies drawing code objects \( n't change size move room \) 've decided approximation alright , since small large enough distance cause little change apparent size object real perspective drawing hopefully context picture \( ie chairs floor , torches hanging walls \) visual ambiguity thanks advance help till next time , v v email pinky tamu edu sam v
wilson analog com \( willie wilson \) subject experiences desqview x \? reply willie wilson analog com organization analog devices b v , limerick , ireland lines 19 need pcs sparcstations run application \( namely microsoft project \) original system ran pc needs expanded allow unix users work application current proposal use desqview x display server application would like know experiences using desqview x run application pc displaying sparcstation 've heard network traffic slow replies e mail please thanks , advance , , willie \( \) ' \( \) willie wilson analog com
ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization dundee institute technology lines 24 article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu , betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) writes article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes suppose fbi also prevented coming hands national tv cameras watch watch \? two miles away \? far enough away whatever really happenned must explained vengeful filter humiliated agency said \( quote ! \) enough enough understand considered unsafe tv networks get closer surely networks judge risks reporting n't noticed cnn banned baghdad hotels yet despite \( real \) risk cruise missile land lobby incidentally ever explained assume whole city course missile happened hit hotel probability 1 large number \? unsafe wonder \? alan greig janet greig uk ac dct dundee institute technology internet greig dct ac uk tel \( 0382 \) 308810 \( int 44 382 308810 \) never underestimate power human stupidity
vincent cad gatech edu \( vincent fox \) subject gun like american express card organization deep thirteen , institute lines 90 distribution usa nntp posting host cae cad gatech edu 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted far fully automatic weapons , lot better armed want hit aim seems happening situation getting totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman car cruising around city vs gang members course police access things mentioned use tanks time \? course n't 's point trying make every day go lunch always see cops coming majority see still carrying revolvers anything wrong revolver 're cop gang member couple automatics coat \( mean semi auto handguns \) 're going disadvantage even training shooting range gang gang members practicing shooting actually practicing taking guns quick possible shooting target n't badly either university cops \( state cops \) armed better chicago police seems state cops define armed better go shoot revolver semi auto like colt 45 one fires faster \? nope aside faster rate fire usually desirable sure makes guys duck cover , trying hitting anything thompson hose mode military limiting 's 16 3 round burst fire simple semi auto would better , troops like able rock roll even wasteful ammo \( something often short supply enemy plentiful \) revolver equally capable semi auto caliber revolver also advantage pull trigger double action revolver \( almost \) hand cocked first , fire merely pulling trigger misfire revolver merely means must pull trigger rotate next round revolver carried 6th chamber empty hammer maximum safety , still drawn fired easy motion , even one handed revolver allow almost fast magazines semi autos faster depending users misfire semi auto require clear jammed shell first , time spent fatal vital second often lost realize hey , 's jammed ! starting anything clearing semi autos must slide worked chamber first round cock hammer police carry semi autos chamber loaded hammer cocked , safety engaged consider safe however must trade safety get speed employment revolver double action semi autos , complexity operation many requires training police departments switched glocks , started quietly switching many officers back old revolvers many accidents , partly due poor training received glocks require rocket scientists , cops baffled something complex timer vcr anyone goes anyone saying criminals obviously police n't know nothing firearms turn cops hunter pay attention seek say semi autos junk merely assuming better jobs stupid cop revolver hip shotgun rack equipped anything short riot gun control hitting aim whip wonder nine fire real fast may find n't hit anything good controlled fire revolver likely get hit 9mm beretta consider inferior carry weapon something like ruger security six revolver n't hit i'm aiming first 5 shots , something quite seriously wrong somewheres might like backup capacity extra shots certain cases , overwhelmingly shots fired criminal encounters less 5 crooks overwhelmingly use crime \? nice simple 38 revolvers police often use well actually police prefer much 357 magnum , anyway n't flame , prefer semi autos things introduce unneccessary complications something nerve encounter lone criminal everything gone planned , everything would perfect batf spokesperson cnn 3 2 93 , regarding failed raid attempt tx
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 33 article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes actually , atheism based ignorance ignorance existence god n't fall atheists n't believe pride mistake know 's based ignorance , could n't wrong \? would wrong fall trap mentioned \? i'm wrong , god free time correct mistake continues , supposedly proclaiming undying love eternal soul , speaks volumes trap , position tell n't believe god wish unless know motivations better , believe say earnestly searched god years never found bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
hp com \( david stockton \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host hp com organization hewlett packard ltd , south , scotland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 23 vinci \( filipe vxcrna cern ch \) wrote kirlian imaging \? believe faq sci skeptics \( sp \? \) nice write would certainly supportive helping build device connect supply take serious look aura \) filipe santos cern european laboratory particle physics switzerland , generally accepted , method using common physics lab equipment find certain answers questions , heavens , , purgatory , gods etc krillean photography probably ignored insignificant compared larger eternal publishing results could bit problem , though cheers david
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 42 article may 7 01 09 04 1993 athos rutgers edu easteee wkuvx1 bitnet writes hello , question satan taught long time ago satan really angel god kicked heaven challenged god 's authority problem , cannot find bible bible \? , originate \? workshop episcopalian student gathering couple months ago wanted know answer far could tell , although story never specifically told bible , many references made , primarily new testament old testament actually entirely different view satan \( excuse pun \) devil 's advocate yahweh see book job getting back fallen angel story , references lucifer bible except morning star king james version \( isaiah 14 12 \) , probably referred babylonian monarch much sun king referred louis xiv , n't know story came may rolling around long time , milton \( paradise lost \) may invented sorry rest , hurry need eat lunch ! feel free email stuff found \( although lot result bible concordance program called 's really lousy , way n't buy \) wondering , eddie western kentucky \) \) \) university \( \( \( \( easteee wkuvx1 bitnet hope helped ! vera je une ame , qui course n't agree farmer 's religious views je suis think 're interesting generation \( vera noyes \) farmer noye midway uchicago edu
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject cause lines 38 trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) writes norris athena mit edu writes stuff deleted fortunately convenience us believers , class questions never reduced away natural science example universe exist \? must \? ask also assume god namely , exists , existence question reversed , ca n't assume universe exists assume god exist \? must universe \? remainder message deleted pardon replying portion message \) reason say god exists ca n't say universe exists universe natural realm subject natural laws general law cause effect particular , observe nature every cause effect , every effect produced cause existence natural realm , effect , cannot cause must therefore supernatural cause god , hand , supernatural , therefore subject natural laws law cause effect supernatural , god 's eternal existence imply previous cause way existence physical , natural cosmos thus , believe supernatural valid basis accepting existence phenomena eternal god , whereas deny existence supernatural faced dilemma physical universe whose nature shows sufficient explain existence , course , oversimplification complex topic , wanted clarify important differences supernatural \( god \) natural \( universe \) , since seem mistake interchangeable mark
dick ahold nl \( dick heijne \) subject xterm build problem solaris2 1 organization ahold nv , zaandam , netherlands , eec lines 24 dla se05 wg2 waii com \( doug acker \) writes continuing build problems , got stuck build xterm gcc fpcc struct return xterm main input cursor util tabs screen scrollbar button misc data menu o2 r usr wgep x11r5 sos5 lib ld run path ld run path l lib xaw lxaw l lib xmu lxmu l lib xt lxt l extensions lib lxext l lib x lx11 l usr wgep x11r5 sos5 lib lsocket lnsl undefined first referenced symbol file index usr ucblib libtermcap \( termcap \) rindex usr ucblib libtermcap \( termcap \) ld fatal symbol referencing errors output written xterm error code 1 make fatal error command failed target clues help \? either add list define index \( \) rindex \( \) strchr \( \) \( \) respectively use args former bsd , latter sysv ahold nv room 146 , 2 , ck zaandam , netherlands , eec dick heijne ahold nl tel 31 75 , fax 31 75
randerso acad1 sahs uth tmc edu \( robert anderson \) subject two people married god 's eyes \? organization univ texas houston allied health sci lines 18 would like get opinions exactly engaged couple become married god 's eyes \? say two publically announced plans marry , made vows god , unswervingly committed one another \( realize subjective qualifier \) married joined god 's sight suppose unable get altar right current time purely reasons beyond control think \? post e mail general responses need clarification asking , please e mail thanks god bless ! robert anderson iii randerso acad1 sahs uth tmc edu
novavax uucp \( john \) subject 2 atm organization nova university , fort lauderdale , fl lines 35 rnichols cbnewsg cb att com \( robert k nichols \) writes 1 truetype font files least 1 3 larger type 1 equivalents using disk compressor , though , aware truetype fonts compress , whereas type 1 fonts \( encrypted \) n't entirely true true truetype fonts larger atm counterparts , atm fonts get minimal compression running stacker 3 0 report generator , get file type compression ratio ttf \( truetype \) 1 4 1 0 \( atm \) 1 1 1 0 \( atm metric \) 11 8 1 0 although metric files small , compress quite largely , see , even regular files compression , math one font file ttf times bytes 1 4 bytes \( compressed \) times bytes 1 1 bytes \( compressed \) still win , even atm times font n't compressed mileage may vary depending compression program heroes go , go fast john , n't expect time center psychological studies past nova univ , ft lauderdale , fl suzanne vega novavax nova edu
dave alex uchicago edu \( dave griffith \) subject temper tantrums 1960 's organization university chicago distribution usa lines 14 article 1993apr14 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes article netcom com , phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes along normalized relations prc relations cambodia \? must joking sponsored overthrow government repeated failed attempts course prc people 's republic china ! cambodia go play dave griffith , information resources , university chicago , department surgery dave alex bsd uchicago edu brain damage chromosome damage
rvloon cv ruu nl \( ronald van loon \) subject announcing motif mailing list organization university utrecht , 3d computer vision research group lines 132 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu keywords , motif xannounce expo lcs mit edu glad proud announce new mailing list pd motif c bindings got 40 replies one week people interested list , software properly installed , list running interested joining , please send e mail extend request cv ruu cv ruu blurb everyone joins gets follows , well original announcement motif obtained enjoy ! 8 8 welcome motif mailing list ! motif mailing list mailing list dedicated motif , pd c wrapper library motif , people ask questions motif , swap stories , give new ideas new directions improvements bindings requests administrative nature , like subscription , removal , etc directed motif request cv ruu nl e mail sent motif cv ruu nl sent entire list , please make sure using type programs reply messages automatically , address mailing list excluded auto replies enjoy ! ronald van loon theory , difference \( rvloon cv ruu nl \) theory practice 3dcv group , utrecht netherlands practice however , 8 8 hello motif world , past half year lot relatively minor changes motif bindings imake support improved , defaults changed , lot small things added basically release drops status next release incorporate improvements stefan schwarz , possibly support x11r5 motif 1 2 x note keep copies archive please retrieve distribution \( peak hours \) , delete previous copies original announcement history university lowell , supported grant open software foundation , developed wrapper library , motif widgets c classes resources widgets set member functions , objects used callback functions library made available free nominal cost anonymous ftp 129 63 1 1 however , library contained large number bugs , worked x11r3 due lack subsequent , bindings longer actively supported university lowell , ronald van loon , certain point last year , taken lowell bindings , fixing bugs came across , adding missing , enhancing functionality made bug fixed library available general public anonymous ftp \( made possible rick murphy dec \) new release pleased announce new updated release motif bindings release offers full 1 x11r4 support support two additional widgets , written , used indicate progress application imake support nb release relies heavily existence imake config files site tried provide bindings standard makefile , without imake severely tested standard makefile though contact problems reason calling gamma release lies fact multitude platforms test imake files lots \( even somewhat useful programs \) article wrote usage motif , x c , previously posted usenet get new motif bindings ftp anonymous ftp dec com \( 192 5 214 1 \) , directory pub x11 note please patient network link quite slow please ftp large files working hours also note also motif 31 jan 92 tar z file site old version bindings e mail n't ftp send e mail , send bindings e mail request use bindings find bugs , see room improvement , please contact , try incorporate future release \( case bugs , bug fix course \) information contact rvloon cv ruu nl desperate , call 31 30 \( utrecht , netherlands within netherlands call 030 \) enjoy ! ronald van loon theory , difference \( rvloon cv ruu nl \) theory practice 3dcv group , utrecht netherlands practice however ,
organization penn state university andrew newell tan102 psuvm psu edu subject christian morality 590 news cso uiuc edu lines 32 article 590 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) says vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes i'm wrong , god free time correct mistake continues , supposedly proclaiming undying love eternal soul , speaks volumes volumes speaks besides fact leaves choices \? leaves choices us gives us better reason believe odd story alleged son getting killed us \? little new past thousand years , leaving us texts passed centuries meaning even wording passing interpretation course coming vested interest allowing possibility might ultimate truth maybe talking us directly , eh \? 's big god , right \? ought able make time creations loves much least enough give us words direct conversation , 's busy get around us \? maybe unquestionably miraculous works \? speaks volumes upon volumes 've never gotten chance meet guy chat
steve dunham cc utah edu \( steve lee dunham \) subject car buying story , christ , another dealer service scam lines 18 organization university utah distribution usa exactly service incident , similar experience recently bought new truck picked vehicle wanted little haggling agreed price wrote check payment plus tax license told 'd back evening pick truck returned , wait hour finance guy could get finally got , everything went smoothly started adding numbers discovered miscalculated tax license 150 seems popular scam dealers last month brother bought new audi 90 series local dealer came back final price , tax , added happened extra 300 tagged tax part pointed error asked think addition came back right price next time
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject hell organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 22 moderator say qualms giving explanation , raises additional problems god source existence , complete separation would make existence impossible , god maintain enough connection rejected keep existence punish \? short poem \( god mercy made fixed pains hell \) , c lewis expresses idea i'm sure current among others , n't able find source even hell expression mercy , god limits amount separation , hence amount agony , one achieve michael covington internet mcovingt ai uga edu artificial intelligence programs phone 706 542 0358 university georgia fax 706 542 0349 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
jiml ftcollinsco ncr com \( jim l \) subject simm speed distribution world organization ncr microelectronics products division \( company \) lines 40 article 1993apr6 news unomaha edu , cse \( kok hon yin \) writes robert desonia \( robert desonia hal9k ann arbor mi us \) wrote b bk possible plug 70ns 60ns simms motherboard saying bk wants 80ns simms \? n't troubles heard machines problems slower recommended memory speeds , never faster run without trouble course want buy 60ns mixed 80ns \? 60ns expensive 80ns furthermore machine run slowest simms clock speed eventhough 60ns 0 thought machine run whatever bus jumpered cmos set \( usually wait states \) regardless speed ram installed motherboard sense speed ram installed , unless call failing sort auto sense sometimes use slower ram machine either set number wait states accomodate slow ram \( case , memory run slower rate \) reduce wait states take chance slower ram act like faster ram wo n't crash putting faster ram wo n't speed things unless tell machine faster ram mixing fast slow ram help keep bus slowed accomodate slow ram jiml mailer address buggy ! reply jiml ftcollinsco ncr com james lewczyk 1 303 223 5100 ncr mpd fort collins , co jim lewczyk ftcollinsco ncr com
daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com \( daniel prince \) subject placebo effects lines 17 know placebo effect patient feels better even gets better belief medicine doctor administering also anti placebo effect patient dislikes doctors medicine therefore n't get better feel better spite medicine \? effect doctor believes strongly medicine sees improvement none sees improvement \? , effect called \? reverse effect doctor n't believe medicine sees less improvement \? would effect called \? effects ever studied \? common effects \? thank advance replies information valuable dis information much common
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject foreign media reaction april 1 12 , part 1 3 lines 84 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article 1993apr13 r node hub org , ndallen r node hub org \( nigel allen \) writes press release united states information agency digest foreign media reaction united states information agency april 12 \( 1 3 \) national desk contact anne united states information agency , 202 619 washington , april 13 following part one digest foreign media reaction april 1 12 , compiled united states information agency terrorism world insecurity recent editorials , iran universally recognized te source double threat state sponsored terrorism islamic extremism beyond fear condemnation , journalists found little common ground would compel north south , arab non arab nations work together combat global threat terrorism example , egyptian algerian papers forefront charging u complicity current instability middle east commentators asserted united states promoted islamic fundamentalism afghanistan war added regional instability alternately encouraging iraq iran ! fact precisely us course mentioned fact regan bush sold arms iran , also fact supported armed iraq still state dept propaganda none india 's papers weighed pros cons helping west identify pakistan 's role promoting terrorism , noting one hand could bring 's cause , , could also bring india 's security apparatus close cia mossad arab papers continued portray iraq libya unfairly treated un israel remains resolutions violated case problem us decided ordered bombing needed make peace damascus gulf war one day us certain syria , next strange reason us provide evidence courts proceedings faced similar demands usa would reject would country concerning northern ireland , president clinton 's message consolation victims bombing seen british signalling tougher stance american government violence ira word terrorism problem behaviour george bush usa image abroad precisely likes interests comming justification repeating fitting combination words freedom dignity terrorism dictatorship etc appropriate usa could go quite far mend bridges iran people rather pissed usa first supported shah supported saddam mounted unprovoked attack hardly embassy hostage crisis iran meant country run unreasonable bigots usa movement would easier usa move first could recognise 's responsibility initiating iran iraq war providing technical assistance iran get 's oil production back capacity would also smart move , moment iran 's opec ceiling extra capacity would use bring price interests iranian would interest seeking simply permanent war footing also need western technology phill hallam baker
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject playoff telecasts atlanta organization ub lines 29 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu article hsdndev harvard edu nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) writes article andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu writes anyone know patrick division games going televised espn abc \? games going left \( blanked dumb southern abc affiliates \) , wondering anyone knows sports bars atlanta hockey fans n't want miss pens games sure islander fans \( rangers dead \) would want watch every pens islanders game atlanta circle tuesday , april 20th tv calendar espn carry game 2 pittsburgh 's civic arena pittsburgh vs 4th place div personally , bruins buffalo montreal quebec city much better matchup espn hoping pens series 's likely get way mario playing past month 'd personally prefer buffalo boston , birthday gift espn , n't think folks espn accomodate \) espn affinity patrick division , seems valerie hammerl days remind 's hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu lemieux , top scorer devils , v085pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu known taking dumb penalties
jon bigdog \( jon wright \) subject anybody tape daytona \? organization pages software inc lines 13 article acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( mark w \) writes n't seen anything yet , 's already mentioned i'm sorry repost anyways , tnn showing daytona sunday april 18 7 00pm 8 30pm \( est \) n't miss 's got hell finish ! well , looked n't manage find listings tnn anybody taped vhs , could persuaded lend watch \? would greatful jon wright hell pages software inc dod come mouth \? '86
reedr cgsvax claremont edu subject really rise \? \? \? organization claremont graduate school lines 15 article apr 13 00 08 56 1993 athos rutgers edu , eggertj moses atc mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) writes disagree claim jews evangelistic \( except narrow sense word \) jewish proselytism widespread numerous accounts jewish proselytism , new testament roman greek documents day jim , please feel free correct give texts far see text relates jewish evangelism found mt 23 15 however since found mt cannot dated makes understanding second temple judaism randy
acooney netcom com \( alan \) subject los angeles freeway traffic reports organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 48 live san francisco bay area , word something similar way since apparently n't sensor base folks , 're installing cameras strategic points along freeways \( initial tests going santa clara area i'm told \) , video piped command center 're building somewhere east bay i'm sure frame grabbers cheap labor used interpret data , large multi colored status displays show various routes using different colors represent various average speeds stretch highway announcer sit front status , relay continuous verbal traffic status want receive 're apparently also looking licensing low frequency dedicated providing continuous audio system mean time , 'll set large incandescent display boards along test stretch provide data traffic conditions ahead understanding system subsidized pilot program , information available free charge perhaps la system similarly free provided obviously subsidized rate \( read cheap \) also traffic reports broadcast audio channel television channels 2 36 verbal reports , qualified identification tone tell vehicle receivers like information coming next applicable given area la , 're probably using tv channels , concept try setting stereo tv vcr receive audio channel , go station jumping find one broadcasting information believe program also subsidized , making vehicle receivers cheap purchase \( without incur monthly fees use \) since makers vehicle receivers n't pay broadcast \( may completely true \) , likely investment keeping system running cal trans stuff hits airwaves may nifty little tv audio receiver car , nothing , happens perhaps word wise \? \) think 'd interested summary post get info la system networked paid cheers , alan acooney netcom com
cardhu mcs dundee ac uk \( dominik \) subject need viewer gl files organization maths c dept , dundee university , scotland , uk lines 10 nntp posting host cardhu mcs dundee ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 hi , subject says pd viewer gl files \( x \) \? thanks dominik
pfuetz igd fhg de \( matthias pfuetzner \) subject available memory xserver get actual size \? organization zentrum fuer , darmstadt , frg lines 25 hello everybody ! little question due features \( pex , drag drop \) many applications linked example motif 1 2 instead motif 1 1 need memory xserver x terminals limited memory \( normally swapping possible \) question possibility determine via x protocol calls size free memory available xserver \? one determine example whether start pex application css client side server side \( enough memory \) please reply via e mail , 'll summarize ! , matthias matthias pfuetzner work 49 6151 155 150 home 49 6151 6100 darmstadt , frg , 7 73 pfuetzner igd fhg de , pfuetzner uucp keith packard said r5 different r4 's changed release number \)
mrb cbnewsj cb att com \( \) subject smoker 's lungs article cbnewsj 1993apr6 distribution na organization lines 15 article 1993apr5 kuhub cc ukans edu , bennett kuhub cc ukans edu writes long take smoker 's lungs clear tar quitting \? chances getting lung cancer decrease quickly take considerable amount time happen \? seems read either recent ny times science times maybe science news evidence ex smoker 's risk lung cancer never returns person never smoked \( think may get close \) 'll find article post since memory hazy specifics interested michael
bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject brad hernlem vs principle organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 50 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu effort make sure forget moron , brad hernlem asked israel rarely un security council resolutions perhaps list might answer question incident security council response 1 hindu moslem clash india , 2 , 000 killed , 1990 none 2 gassing death 8 , 000 kurds none iraqi air force , 1988 89 3 saudi security forces slaughter none 400 pilgrims mecca , 1987 4 killing algerian army 500 demonstrators , 1988 none 5 \( arabs killing arabs \) 300 killed none 6 30 , 000 civilians slaughtered government none troops hama , syria , 1982 7 killing 5 , 000 palestinians jordanian troops , none thousands expelled , sept , 1970 8 87 moslems killed egypt , 1981 none 9 77 killed bread riots , 1977 none 10 30 border rocket attacks israel none plo 1989 alone 11 munich , 1972 11 israeli athletes slaughtered none 12 , 1974 children killed plo attack none 13 israel coastal bus attack 34 dead , 82 wounded none 14 syria kills 23 , 000 palestinians , 1976 none 15 lebanon 150 , 000 dead since 1975 none 16 yemen 13 , 000 killed two weeks , 1986 none 17 sudan tens thousands black slaves , none civil war toll , 1 million killed , 3 million refugees 18 square massacre 1989 none 19 rumania , 3 , 000 killed , 1989 none 20 pan 103 disaster carried p l none 21 northern ireland none 22 cambodia none 23 soviet occupation afghanistan none 24 american riots , watts , newark , kent state none 25 1981 israel destroys iraqi , israel condemned 26 1990 israeli police protect israeli worshipers condemned arab mob , 18 anti jewish rioters killed 27 syrian soldiers slaughter christian soldiers none surrender , 1990 appears brad hernlem united nations security council something common seem demands acting principle
ucsu colorado edu \( joseph john \) subject friends like l neil smith nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 33 article undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) writes article 1993apr10 sco com allanh sco com \( allan j heim \) writes look , figure reliable means keeping guns away bad people , interfering good people , think 'd problem , methods 're using n't trick n't manufacture n't sell n't import guns get , far fewer , far less people die hunting weapons could allowed , course , long big , bulky , require reloading shots \( many times shoot animal , anyways one assumes moving ! \) first let 's assume right fewer guns would make country , sounds great \( see guns inherently evil \) except every one guns would hands someone obviously could n't care less following law , got gun illegally , likely commit crime gun great everyone gun likely use crime , nice system reducing number guns coming society making illegal manufacture , sell , import , let use parallel empiric evidence amount cocaine country far less since manufacture , sale , importation last statement true perhaps consider plan could also apply drugs general plain old joe
subject postscript view dos windows \? hjstein sunrise huji ac il \( harvey j stein \) distribution world organization home staff hjstein organization nntp posting host sunrise huji ac il reply paladin world std com 's message thu , 8 apr 1993 21 40 44 gmt lines 6 've using version 2 5 2 ghostscript , i'm quite satisfied , actually , 3 versions plain dos version , 386 version , windows version harvey stein hjstein math huji ac il
weidlich arb phys uni dortmund de \( weidlich \) subject searching phonetic font organization institut f uni dortmund lines 13 i'm searching phonetic truetype font windows 3 1 anybody knows one , please mail ! thanks dw dipl inform weidlich , 67 weidlich arb phys uni dortmund de 4600 dortmund 50 phone 49 231 1084 250 dr b sie das fax 49 231 1084 401 mal \?
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject clinton president 's remarks town hall meeting lines 25 organization university tennessee division continuing education article life ai mit edu clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) writes secretary riley good evening welcome thousands communities around country taking part satellite town meeting month april know , today april 13th , thomas jefferson born , 250 years ago think 's appropriate mention beginning meeting since time , course , person one 've followed terms democracy importance education great country success democracy according jefferson really depends upon success educational system wonder realizes irony federal secretary invoking rabid anti federalist support federal education programs \? david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
queloz bernina ethz ch \( ronald queloz \) subject whole win screen \? organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch lines 18 window placement screen would like configure system \( hp unix \) avoid corner given window displayed outside visible screen whole window visible impossible move window outside visible 1 done configuring window manager 's resources 2 done level 3 hardcoded solution possible , possible upper limit given window size thank information help
mchaffee dcl nxt07 \( michael chaffee \) subject manual shift bigots organization university illinois urbana lines 21 eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes article news rich bnr ca peon w email \( eric youngblood \) writes article vela acs oakland edu , mje pookie pass wayne edu \( michael j edelman \) writes big disadvantage automatics 10 hp consume never gets wheels respect disadvantage manual torque converter locked autos converter lock 2nd , 3rd 4th gears w r performance , converter lockup purely irrelevant lockup occurs light throttle settings serves improve mpg mind , converter clutch lovely job improving mpg , additional mechanical advantage converter gives acceleration \( vs locked converter clutch \) inherent losses take away michael chaffee mchaffee ux4 cso uiuc edu email mchaffee sumter cso uiuc edu nextmail sig construction excuse
rbn apple com \( robert b \) subject sale organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , california lines 37 nntp posting host apple com recently posted two sale one sold , still available used , good condition hitachi v 422 40mhz dual channel portable analog div dc offset alternate \( 10x magnified non magnified waveform \) vert mode trigger tv sync separation circuit list price 910 00 \( price fry 's electronics quoted ! \) \( sells 699 99 \( jdr current price \) 745 95 \( products international \) price used 425 00 obo n't gotten offer asking price , applies also version scope sold jdr 2000 20mhz dual channel portable analog div component tester \( resistors caps diodes coils \) tv video sync filter z axis input \( intensity modulation \) means crt produces nice , bright trace , trace correspond input signal guess 's simple calibration problem honestly tried calibrate scope otherwise fix 's 'as paid 60 current state \( bought thinking 'd repair , using 'good' scope side side comparison since 've sold 'good' scope , one n't much good \) 'd like amount , 'll accept offers take best one 'd prefer local \( bay area , california \) buyer , \( \) n't ship \( b \) examine scope prior purchase rbn apple com
craig toontown columbiasc ncr com \( craig williamson \) subject video reply craig toontown columbiasc ncr com \( craig williamson \) distribution na organization ncr e columbia , sc lines 14 i'm getting ready buy multimedia workstation would like little advice need graphics card video windows originally thinking targa n't work windows cards looking \? thanks , craig forgive divine , craig williamson airhead human craig williamson columbiasc ncr com craig toontown columbiasc ncr com \( home \) perfect strangers
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject duo 230 crashes aftersleep \( looks like apple bug ! \) organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 7 nntp posting host orbit src umd edu type problem , one point apple rep told duo 's system enabler file version 1 0 1 fixes kind sleep related problem may want investigate josip loncaric
organization university maine system andrew robinson andy maine maine edu subject reasons hospitals join internet \? lines 8 resources services available internet bitnet would interest hospitals medical care providers \? i'm interested anything , including institutions businesses interest medical profession internet , special services online access libraries diagnostic information , etc etc please reply directly andy maine edu
nigel dataman demon co uk \( nigel ballard \) subject distribution world organization infamy inc reply nigel dataman demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 34 hello , anybody know \? \( e someone kill bye one \? \) people died , usually fatal treatable gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon hi i'm suffering present although 's shown chronic rare tissue disorder , thankfully life threatening thing happen non treated sufferer specialists bombarding e c \( \) four months day , 's totally done away enlarged lymph glands , somethings happening good ! cheers nigel nigel ballard int nigel dataman demon co uk mexican food cis radio guinness tap united kingdom amazing ! two wires tall skinny women two penguins walking along iceberg first penguin turns second penguin says looks like wearing second penguin turns first penguin says , maybe
brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) subject tapped , code good distribution na organization clarinet communications corp lines 41 article tcmayc5m2xv jex netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes getting court order reveal key also makes decipherable past conversations \( may tape , disk , \) , understand proposal could wrong , 've seen mention session keys escrowed entities true theory practice \? technology cellular phones probably spread spectrum quite difficult record crypttext without key frequency path depends key , understand , could made effectively impossible record hits land record telco access telco n't supposed give without warrant 's rule today even , evidence would admissible , think , unless judge ordered think even interception crypttext without warrant would illegal cops ca n't record today 's plain cellular calls ask judge , hey , permission listen tapes \? \? worse , course , government uses clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption \( main concern us , think camel 's nose tent , etc \) yes , major concern , think think win 99 5 usa use system n't even care cautious 5 's left n't catch really smart crooks anyway john , would retarded realize likely wiretapped , away tapped phone murder plans 's 's jail hard believe , true scheme succeed without laws forbidding , people would fight lot harder like enough dropping called digital telephony proposal , according rumours however meaning complex , since still want get crypttext telco systems , requires bit work brad templeton , clarinet communications corp sunnyvale , ca 408 296 0366
subject rheaume start edu organization um st louis nntp posting host edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 12 quick note manon 's immediate future rumor \( usa today 's ts page \) playing tampa bay 's affiliate echl \( thin k 's couple days \) \) supposedly competing num 2 goaltender spot think , performance , damn good someone n't played squat year , 'll seeing lot h er atlanta years come ward go blades ! ! bring home turner cup , ! !
mishra cs sunysb edu \( mishra \) subject image processing packages x keywords medical informatics nntp posting host organization state university new york , stony brook lines 14 looking package implements standard image processing functions \( reading writing standard formats \) , clipping , zoom , etc implemented x public domain private packages interest particular application area mind medical imaging , package meant general context would acceptable please reply summarize net general interest mishra mishra sbcs sunysb edu
brad optilink com \( brad yearwood \) subject clipper considered harmful organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 48 clipper comes cellular phones along legal using cipher systems phones , new potentially dangerous class crime created criminals badly want inscrutable tactical communications \( specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents key escrow cite threats \) highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user , kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed suitable collection devices stolen , criminals communicate impunity \( assuming cipher system carries trapdoors apart key escrow \) unless compromise discovered means life cheap criminals currently willing kill people steal large conspicuous property \( luxury cars \) , reasonable assume willing kill people steal small inconspicuous property \( cipher cellular phone \) seen past blue box technology , present modified cellular phones , expect see among high stakes criminals lucrative market stolen cipher phones used days high stakes criminals pay life cheap types substantial amounts stolen instruments person typically discovered missing dead days , stolen instrument usable days continuing demand fresh phones fresh bodies words , clipper similar systems potential turn current inconvenience law enforcement direct , vicious , persistent threat general public hand , criminal apply arbitrary cipher device mostly non network , communication least stand unusual , perhaps worthy means investigation finally , essentially possibility intercepting realtime content communications stolen instruments , exist strong motivation record archive communications network ex post facto scrutiny \( criminal act discovered , instruments involved identified \) recording archiving may feasible networks , probably feasible across limited bandwidth radio networks existence recordings could open vast potential abuse brad yearwood brad optilink com uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! brad petaluma , ca
dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu subject faq typing injuries \( 2 4 \) general info monthly posting supersedes typing injury faq general cs berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley lines 409 expires 22 may 1993 04 18 16 gmt reply dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu nntp posting host elmer fudd cs berkeley edu summary information get information originator dwallach elmer fudd cs berkeley edu archive name typing injury faq general version revision 4 28 date 1993 04 13 04 17 58 answers frequently asked questions typing injuries typing injury faq sources information people typing injuries , repetitive stress injuries , carpal tunnel syndrome , etc copyright 1992 , 1993 dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu many faqs , including one , available archive site pit manager mit edu \( alias rtfm mit edu \) 18 172 1 27 directory pub usenet news answers name faq archived appears archive name line top article faq archived typing injury faq general z 's mail server also e mail mail server pit manager mit edu word 'help' line body opinions , unless otherwise mentioned , represent opinions organization vendor i'm medical doctor , advice taken many grains salt current distribution sci med occupational , sci med , comp human factors , news , sci , comp answers , e mail c health ucs indiana edu , sorehand vm ucsf edu , l vtvm1 cc vt edu changes since previously distributed versions marked change bars right text , paragraph table contents 1 mailing lists , newsgroups , etc 2 soda berkeley edu archive 3 general info injuries 4 typing posture , ergonomics , prevention , treatment 5 requests info 6 references 1 mailing lists , newsgroups , etc usenet news comp human factors occasionally discussion alternative input devices comp risks occasional posting relevant injuries via computers sci med misc also tend relevant traffic 's brand new newsgroup , sci med occupational , specifically discuss things would recommended place post mailing lists rsi network available paper via e mail , publication covers issues relevant repetitive stress injuries sample issue subscription information , send stamped , self addressed business envelope caroline rose , 970 paradise way , palo alto ca e mail applelink apple com 2 donation , requested rsi network newsletters available via anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu \( see details \) c health sorehand ibm listserv things familiar listserv , 's quick info c health subscribe listserv ucs indiana edu post c health ucs indiana edu sorehand subscribe listserv vm ucsf edu post sorehand vm ucsf edu quick tutorial subscribing listserv mail listserv vm ucsf edu subject total listserv mania ! subscribe sorehand j random hacker info \? 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'll bitnet people think , next \? 2 soda berkeley edu archive 've started archive site info related typing injuries anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury \( 128 32 149 19 \) currently , 'll find informative files typing injury faq general information typing injuries keyboards products replace keyboard software software watch keyboard usage changes changes since last month 's edition \( new ! \) keyboard commentary dan 's opinions keyboard replacements advice adverse mechanical tension sit hqx document wrists ps postscript converted version carpal info info carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained detailed information cts carpal surgery jama article cts surgery carpal tidbits tidbits article cts tendonitis info info tendonitis rsi biblio bibliography rsi related publications rsi network archive rsi network newsletter \( currently , containing issues 1 11 \) rsi details long detailed information rsi rsi physical study showing rsi n't psychological various product literature apple press press release apple adjustable keyboard apple tidbits extensive info apple 's adjustable bat info macweek review bat comfort marketing info comfort keyboard datahand review detailed opinions datahand datahand follow datahand desc description datahand 's appearance kinesis review one user 's personal opinions maltron marketing info various maltron products maltron review one user 's personal opinions vertical info marketing info vertical \( new ! \) programs \( exception exe , everything distributed source compiled unix system programs take advantage x window system , also \) hsh shar program one handed usage normal keyboards typewatch shar tells take break c turns qwerty keyboard dvorak shar keeps track long 've typing rest reminder sh yet another idle tar generates fake x keyboard events serial port use pc keyboard anything ! \( new improved version ! \) exe serial port keyboard ms windows \( note a2x tar rk tar export lcs mit edu contrib may current version soda \) a2x tar sophisticated x keyboard mouse spoofing program supports dragondictate \( note new version available \) rk tar reactive keyboard predicts 'll type next saves typing pictures \( gifs subdirectory \) gif picture good sitting posture \( document better \) gif fuzzy picture gif fuzzy picture somebody using apple gif apple adjustable keyboard bat gif infogrip bat comfort gif health care comfort keyboard gif fuzzy picture gif key layout schematic gif much better picture datahand flexpro gif key tronic flexpro keyboard gif kinesis ergonomic keyboard gif multiple views kinesis maltron 1 4 gif several pictures maltron products gif mikey gif schematic picture mikey tony gif tony ! ergonomic gif front view gif side view vertical gif vertical keyboard wave gif keyboard many files compressed \( z ending \) ca n't uncompress file locally , soda ask file , without z extension 're unable ftp soda , send e mail 'll see arrange 3 general info injuries first , foremost importance experience pain , absolutely need go see doctor soon possibly difference day two mean difference short recovery long , drawn ordeal go see doctor , garden variety doctor may necessarily familiar sort injury generally , hospital occupational therapy clinic offer specialists kinds problems wait , though go see doctor remainder information paraphrased , without permission , wonderful report new zealand 's department labour \( occupational safety health service \) occupational overuse syndrome treatment rehabilitation practitioner 's guide first , glossary \( , fancy names n't hands \) \( note 're likely hear terms doctors keyboard vendors \) rsi repetitive strain injury general term many kinds injuries occupational overuse syndrome synonym rsi cumulative trauma disorder another synonym rsi work related upper limb disorders yet another synonym rsi cts carpal tunnel syndrome \( see \) marked bending joint turning palm wrist extension bending wrist turning palm wrist bending wrist pinch grip grip used pencil deviation bending wrist towards little finger power grip grip used hammer radial deviation bending wrist toward thumb moving away body opening fingers wide , problems come two main types local conditions diffuse conditions local problems 'd expect specific muscles , tendons , tendon , nerves , etc inflamed otherwise hurt diffuse conditions , often mistaken local problems , involve muscle discomfort , pain , burning tingling identifiable areas tenderness muscles , although 're necessarily problem occupational overuse syndrome occur \? 's theory normally , muscles tendons get blood pass among muscle fibers tense muscle , restrict blood flow time 're exerting 50 full power , 're completely restricting blood flow without fresh blood , muscles use stored energy run , switch \( without oxygen \) metabolism , generates nasty products like acid , cause pain one muscle hurts , neighbors tense , perhaps relieve load makes sense normal sort injury , makes things worse repetitive motion tension means less blood flow , cycle continues another product lack blood flow tingling numbness nerves need blood anyway , 're typing much , 're never really giving change blood get back belongs , muscles never relax enough let blood stress , poor posture , poor ergonomics , make things worse specific injuries may heard \( note injuries come two flavors acute chronic acute injuries severely painful noticable chronic conditions less pronounced symptoms every bit real \) inflamation tendon sheath chronic occurs repetitive activity mild intermittent enough cause acute inflamation , enough exceed tendon sheath 's ability lubricate tendon result , tendon sheath , gets inflamed , 've got problem tendonitis inflammation tendon repeated tendon cause inflamation eventually , fibers tendon start separating , even break , leaving behind debris friction , swelling , pain sub acute tendonitis common , entails dull ache wrist forearm , tenderness , gets worse repetitive activity carpal tunnel syndrome nerves run wrist fingers get trapped inflamed muscles around symptoms include feeling pins needles , tingling , numbness , even loss sensation cts often confused diffuse condition adverse mechanical tension also known , nerves running arm become contracted possibly compressed result muscle spasms shoulders elsewhere often misdiagnosed associated one disorders largely reversible treated \( plexus stretches trigger point therapy \) others every part body , 's fancy name way injure , getting idea conditions occur careful many inexperienced doctors problems carpal tunnel syndrome , reality , may completely different problem always get second opinion somebody something drastic \( like surgery \) 4 typing posture , ergonomics , prevention , treatment important element prevention recovery reduce tension muscles tendons requires learning relax 're load stress , doubly important tune world breath deep regular relaxing become guiding principle work every three minutes take three second break every three minutes , take three second break really , every three minutes 's also helpful work comfortable surroundings , calm , relax ca n't sleep , really need focus rest , sleep , relaxation really big deal kinds treatments , course drugs reduce inflamation pain custom molded forcefully prevent bad posture surgery fix problems exercise help strengthen muscles regular stretching help prevent injury good posture good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension ice hot cold contrast baths also reduce swelling doctor say 's best posture basic guidelines liked way written new zealand book i'm lifting almost verbatim appendix 10 dwallach let shoulders relax let swing free keep wrists straight pull chin look n't flop head forward keep hollow base spine try leaning back chair n't slump forward alter posture time time every 20 minutes , get bend spine backward set seat height , first feet flat floor undue pressure underside thighs near knees , thighs slope much , draw desk see height comfortable work short , may impossible remedy raise seat height prevent legs dangling using , adjust backrest height fit space backrest seat pan backrest support hollow back , adjust tilt give firm support area operate keyboard , able spend time leaning back , experiment chair taller backrest , available , diverge little text good chair makes big difference n't like chair , go find better one really want adjustments height , back angle , back height , maybe even seat tilt arm rests seem get way , although expensive chairs height adjustable arm rests also rotate way find good store play chairs pick one 's right san francisco bay area , highly recommend chairs name says keyboard drawers , wrist pads , keyboard replacements fair amount get right people , wrist pads seem work wonders however , good posture , n't resting wrists anything would prefer keyboard right drop arms side lift hands elbow , want keyboard hands 90 degrees course , want avoid , wrist extension , deviation costs wrist pads may may help get somebody else come look work sit , type , relax 's often easier somebody else notice shoulders hands argue normal , flat keyboard poorly designed number replacements available , market , today check accompanying typing injury faq keyboards much detail 5 requests info clearly , information incomplete typing injury archive incomplete 's always information 'd like submit something , please send mail , 'll gladly throw 'd like maintain list products vendors , would wonderful ! 'd love somebody make list chair desk vendors 'd love somebody make list doctors 'd love somebody edit sections , looking places 've obviously goofed 6 references completely information section , using wonderful guide produced new zealand occupational safety health service , service department labour special thanks authors , turner , blake , darby , , harding semi bibliographic reference occupational overuse syndrome treatment rehabilitation practitioner 's guide published occupational safety health service department labour wellington , new zealand first edition june 1992 isbn 0 477 3 price 9 95 \( new zealand 's , course \) thanks richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk reviewing posting dan wallach one attractive features connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine array blinking lights faces office 510 642 cabinet cm paris ref manual , v6 0 ,
especkma reed edu \( erik speckman \) subject rom accelerated video \? article reed 1993apr15 organization reed college , portland , lines 11 macuser article new centris quadra machines mentioned c650 q800 , c610 , rom accelerated video n't seem make much difference benchmark test \? n't recall seeing dale adams post erik speckman p could someone tell dale 's posts video memory archived somewhere
jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) subject temper tantrums 1960 's organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 45 distribution usa 1993apr5 cbnewsi cb att com netcom com reply jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov nntp posting host ab20 larc nasa gov reply phil netcom com 's message tue , 6 apr 1993 00 24 14 gmt article netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes article 1993apr5 cbnewsi cb att com gadfly cbnewsi cb att com \( gadfly \) writes let get straight nice , long rant people need take personal responsibility economic social lives , sudden 1960 's radicals \( , guess \) responsible poor people 's lifestyles \? tell works think poor people dumb think \? many reasons disintegration family support systems general among nation 's poor somehow n't think murphy brown joplin top sane person 's list want go generation 's vaunted cultural revolution lasting change worse , try called relevant values education hey , seemed like good idea time know needed real education first mean , took granted 1960 's generation spoiled irresponsible depression create mothers fathers determined kids would want anything going overboard creating nation consider contrast two famous events july 1969 apollo 11 woodstock group large numbers people could feed reverted cultural level primitives \( public etc \) group assembled , took care , dispersed damage , deaths , large numbers drug problems n't woodstock also called biggest parking lot history \? rejected society went back nature parent 's cars jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov
ntaib silver ucs indiana edu \( iskandar taib \) subject hercules graphite \? nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 20 article 1993apr06 metrics com tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) writes anyone used hercules graphite adapter \? looks good paper , steve gibson gave good review infoworld 'd love get real world impression , though speed \? drivers \? support \? pc world reviewers found herc people hard coded winbench text driver clever , \? case , winbench results pretty much inflated get one send mail might buy ati gu 9 \) iskandar taib thing worse peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs !
napier uwaterloo ca \( donald wan \) subject testing organization university waterloo lines 3 hello testing
subject new hudson 1929 questions emd ham almanac bc ca distribution world organization robert smits lines 33 davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) writes dave tharp cds \( davet interceptor cds tek com \) wrote article ham almanac bc ca emd ham almanac bc ca writes one main designers , bert le , broke many records late 's early 20 's bert le set records indians , including 107 5 mph november 1921 , 61 3 racing model must busy lad , also tuner round guru jap worked george someone post details illustrated motorcycles , sounds like book ought copy sure , illustrated encyclopedia motorcycles , edited erwin , published publishing group limited , astronaut house , road , , middlesex , england first published 1977 , mine reprinted 1978 cost pounds 5 95 uk , though paid 18 50 canadian dollars idea whether 's still print perhaps could let net know bob robert smits ladysmith bc lucas built weapons , wars emd ham almanac bc ca would never start , either
km cs pitt edu \( ken mitchum \) subject cilia syndrome article pitt reply km cs pitt edu \( ken mitchum \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 31 article 1993mar26 ncsu edu andrea unity ncsu edu \( andrea free \) writes would like know new information subject new studies conducted confident pediatrician communication people chapel hill , since life long disorder genetically transferred would like keep current realize since relatively new disorder \( first documented 1974 fertility clinic \) therefore controversial know lot , except seeing one patient 's syndrome , form cilia syndrome , , chronic infections means organs wrong side body , complete partial interesting medically normal location organs caused part normal rotation associated motion , absence , random people quite popular medical schools , rarity , fact doctors get bit upset ca n't find patient 's heart sounds \( 're wrong side \) according harrison 's , cilia , imply average one child four family would affected may much current information , usual medicine , may talking one would suggest ask pediatrician contacting medical specialist , probably one ncsu km
mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) subject expanding europe dusseldorf reply voecking informatik tu muenchen de 's message fri , 16 apr 1993 07 37 16 gmt organization abo akademi university , finland x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 36 1993apr16 informatik tu muenchen de voecking informatik tu muenchen de writes article 1993apr15 abo fi , mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) writes pkortela lk hp 17 hut fi pkortela snakemail hut fi writes deg many german born forwards team fact majority players german born 1992 93 deg average spectator arena interesting ! one german friends \( robert \? \) told forwards canadian germans perhaps somebody sort us \? far know dusseldorf one canadian german forward \( e player born canada german passport \) benoit became german german going play germany wc canada born forwards peter john lee \( british passport \) chris valentine dale steve earl \( \? \) moment three german born forwards coming mind , andreas , ernst hm , think dusseldorf fans would like team joined nhl \? include well \( cologne \) make happy \? \) volker marcu
caronni nessie cs id ethz ch \( germano caronni \) subject technical details organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch lines 120 hmm , followup posting well , cares first let try work facts get know clipper chip , hellman denning able tell us chip confined \( digital \) telephony , performs general encryption symmetric manner chip supports cfb ofb ecb \( whatever fourth mode operation des \) , algorithm consists 32 rounds whatever , takes 80 bit keys input data seems 64 bit \? yes two people want secure communication \( whatever means clipper involved \) first agree one secret key \( one key per direction \? \) exchange key via dh schemes however somehow two feed secret key clipper chip ready work clipper chip carries unique serial number \( 30 bit 's \) , 160 key bits 160 key bits seem gained encrypting serial number 160 seed bits \( seed bits seem stored chip \) beginning communication \( perhaps certain \? \? \) sending fist real 64 bit output first encryption clipper chip put 's packets \( guess 3 \) represent serial number , session key might look like x e k k2 , serial number x transformation 3 \? packets involving family key family \( sp \? \) key equal chips \( x might simple xor \? \? \? \) , \( digital \? \) phone call done usual , every packet encrypted decrypted clipper denning describes k1 k2 shall generated , using seed 160 bit 's , leaving alone politics , concern much , american \( tm \) \) , weak points scheme , might exploited several parties far know generation k1 , k2 s1 s2 look like obvious backdoor could used generate chip keys knowing serial number \( also family key \) chip really ca n't imagine seeds would needed otherwise , true random sources generation k1 , k2 bought much money , escrows get 80 bit 160 bit key security could \( little existant \) giving 160 bits , xored together give k1 , k2 let 's simply assume escrows trustworthy , ca n't fooled criminals law agencies \( quarrel escrows l e would hinder l e duties , \) keys surrendered , corresponding chip compromised forever clever , imho \) \) sending encrypted session keys phone call police \( whoever \) want 's listen \? escrows could simply decode session key send back police \( would naturally warrant expired \) would better technical solution , guess politics work way apparently \( miss stated \) one performing actually decodes intercepted messages shall fbi great local guys inter \( understand \) traffic anymore mean fbi right legal wiretaps \? \( law , idea allowed tap , \) certainly means watched routed automatically service providing company fbi , watched one means far understand family key known switching company , providing cellular phone family key secret , thus serial numbers calls readable anybody cares like traffic analysis ! guess , happens , use chip ecb mode , first packets chip somehow lost garbled \? session key would actually line \? hmmm n't difficult \) last point , side read heard clipper \( programming language dbase , \? \) \) seems many advantages , ! rights please note idea talking ! ! ! grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) amendment 1 congress shall make law respecting establishment religion , prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech , press right people peaceably assemble , petition government redress grievances text actually bill rights , \? maybe need extend amendment 4 cover information communication \? sure position government actually legally tries ban cryptography \( arms \) amendment say may , conditions hmm , tricky situation \( actually make much sense discuss topic sci crypt discussion technical details system highly suggested appreciated \) friendly greetings , germano caronni disclaimer everything derived things heard read persons , everything could wrong opinions thoughts mine , subject change without notification warranty , neither implicit explicit etc etc etc ad p please n't ask political opinions , might bother \( information read last line p signature \) instruments register things 're designed register space still contains infinite unknowns pgp key id 341027 germano caronni caronni nessie cs id ethz ch fd560ccf586f3da747ea3c94dd01720f
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject omni ! nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 18 charley wingate \( mangoe cs umd edu \) wrote please enlighten omnipotence contradictory \? definition , occur universe governed rules nature thus god cannot break anything god must allowed rules somewhere therefore , omnipotence cannot exist ! contradicts rules nature obviously , omnipotent god change rules say , definition , exactly defined certainly omnipotence seem saying rules nature pre existant somehow , define nature actually cause 's mean 'd like hear thoughts question bill
sloan cis uab edu \( kenneth sloan \) subject surface normal orientations organization cis , university alabama birmingham lines 42 article travis csd harris com srp travis csd harris com \( stephen \) writes go normals direction , given set points , edges faces \? look edge inconsistencies consider two vertices , p q , connected least one edge \( p , q \) edge , \( q , p \) appear \( p , q \) \( q , p \) appear edges , surface travel across edge bad assuming \( warning warning warning \) otherwise acceptable surface pick edge , edge , surface enforcing consistency edge 0 \) pick edge \( p , q \) , mark ok 1 \) face , f , containing edge \( 2 , oops \) make sure edges f consistent \( e , face \( p , q \) , \( q , r \) , \( r , \) , \( , \) , \( , p \) \) flip wrong mark edges f ok , add queue \( check duplicates , especially inconsistencies n't let queue \( p , q \) \( q , p \) \) 2 \) remove edge queue , go 1 \) marked edge discovered inconsistent , lose step 1 \) finds one face sharing particular edge , lose otherwise , done , edges consistent means surface normals either point deciding way left exercise kenneth sloan computer information sciences sloan cis uab edu university alabama birmingham \( 205 \) 934 2213 campbell hall , uab station \( 205 \) 934 fax birmingham , al 35294 1170
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject moonbase race organization u toronto zoology lines 13 article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff know private titan pad \? 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff assume new launcher development assume new launcher development , lower costs specific objective , probably n't want build something hlv sized anyway nobody interested launching things cheaply buy titans n't take many titan pay laser launcher large gas gun development program big dumb booster , would far better cost effectiveness
laplace uwaterloo ca \( alfred yim \) subject blackhawks win ! ! ! lines 15 organization university waterloo article 1993apr16 vax cns muskingum edu , jbrown vax cns muskingum edu writes hawks win ! ! roenick scored 50 th goal hawks put leafs place , losers column leafs even beat hawks match little meaning hate see wings oh btw laugh rm , jerky ! ! ! go hawks ! ! ! jb gotta tell ya , hawks ca n't beat blues game significant ca n't wait see blues might toronto \) btw , think hawks deserved win game think watching one everyone else leaf fan alfred \( yong jeh \) yim 4b mathematics \( actuarial science \) university waterloo , canada e mail descartes waterloo edu
jade tufts edu \( frederick baker \) subject 486dx 33 cpu chip sale , 250 organization tufts university medford , distribution na lines 8 entire dispute chip newsgroup lot posts nothing sell back certain user 's post month ago stop posting computer equipment ! ! ! save computer forsale newsgroups ! n't get computer forsale newsgroups , ask sysadmin try subscribe location otherwise , knock !
jbore cosmos shearson com \( joe bore \) subject need find number phone line reply alee ecs umass edu 's message 18 apr 93 15 04 10 gmt organization lehman brothers lines 33 try finding friend caller id , give call jb article 20756 2bd16dea ecs umass edu alee ecs umass edu writes path shearson com ! uupsi ! psinntp ! uunet ! umd edu ! darwin sura net ! newsserver jvnc net ! howland reston ans net ! noc near net ! nic umass edu ! risky ecs umass edu ! ! alee alee ecs umass edu newsgroups sci electronics date 18 apr 93 15 04 10 gmt lines 13 greetings ! situation phone jack mounted wall n't know number line n't want call operator place trace question certain device use find number line \? thanks response al joe bore life short code hard jbore shearson com ! uunet ! shearson com ! jbore \( 212 \) 464 , beeper \( 212 \) 396
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( richard ritter \) subject computer graphics vcr \? organization lehigh university lines 15 help friend class project trying make computer animated movie sorts disney animation would like put vcr possible \? easy relatively cheap \? \? 386 ibm compatibles relatively clueless computers could help please thanx ritter cosmic physical delight
neumann uwaterloo ca \( \) subject bruins vs canadiens organization university waterloo lines 24 article 1993apr16 rose com jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) writes april 14 , richard amc com \( richard wernick \) wrote boston \? know sinden 's going find way screwing even good boston team 'll fire suter trade away vital star \( admittedly , last trades good ones long luck runs starts making esposito ratelle type trades \? \) trade bad \? seem recall ratelle making pretty good centre right wing combination , bruins also got brad park deal \( also lost somebody else \) trade , bruins two finals one semi final , , course , lost montreal \( please end \) doubt , however , keeping esposito would made difference series , rangers '79 \( years boston , matter \)
email bony com subject image pictures lines 8 organization hi , looking advice software hardware package making , storing processing pictures ideal software would allow size picture , edit \( means add text , \) important would dos command interface thank advance bank new york
svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) subject opinion means nntp posting host corolla18 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 44 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes well , aptly put , get road , jerk , n't wanna hear whining fine fuck noticed , 91 , two years ago , yes , 've learned , 's cost yes , 've known people \( friends relatives \) 've involved drunk related accidents \( , hit \) cousin still recovering , ca n't take back happened yes , stupid , reminding time , 're neither helping , stuff opinion hey , man , brought agree completely , driving drunk really stupid , understand appreciate feel bad dwi endemic society real problem , motorcyclists , worst vulnerable positions around drunk driver \( alert readers might remember last year witnessed dwi accident \( right bloody front \) , unable save life one participants , reported \) also , drunk driving motorcyclists prime cause injury death , raises insurance rates , forces stupidly restrictive laws , turns public us ride view , drunk driving carry mandatory prison sentence one traffic offenses public funds issue , genuine safety issue bring subject rec moto , admitting caught dwi , looking sympathy consequences , n't expect people respond warm wishes dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon
subject smartdrv double buffer \? miavx1 acs muohio edu organization miami university academic computer service lines 9 curious double buffer parameter smartdrv actually \? seem less problems windows leave using ps 2 esdi drive , also ps 2 scsi response welcome peter sweeney miavx1 acs muohio edu
uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu \( jack coyote \) subject rfd misc taoism reply uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu \( jack coyote \) organization never , never lines 8 sunlight shining ocean aleph null bottles beer wall , aleph null bottles beer ! take one , pass around aleph null bottles beer wall !
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject kill ac inductive load spiking \? organization university nebraska lincoln lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu fast 'n dirty way kill line spiking occurs inductive load turned sometime zero crossing ac cycle \? capacitor somehow , etc \? 've got microcontroller running bunch valves pumps big instrument washer , almost everything switched zero crossing solid state relays , stuff stays quiet , ac wise 's one steam valve gets turned mechanical relay water tank fill thermostat system , 's control , sometimes generate radiate spike resets one peripheral chips software times tries , 'd love tack magic spike killing fix would avoid major redesign would help might sufficient ideas \? paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
rao cse uta edu \( rao \) subject xrn , xarchie hp 's nntp posting host cse uta edu organization computer science engineering university texas arlington lines 10 hi , need xrn xarchie hp 's \( 9000 730 , version 8 os \) , either source form , \( preferably \) executable form please suggest find , send e mail rao cse uta edu thanks advance , rao ssc
kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) subject phils , nl east weak nntp posting host camelot bradley edu organization bradley university lines 34 1993apr15 3371 guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu writes love people blaming phillies success weak division n't look record teams division \( read inter divisional play \) , 'll see east really kicking shit west know early , go atlanta strong 188 ba , cincinnati 2 7 coming sweep veteran 's stadium philadelphia , houston swept 's first three games phillies , western division friends , shows three best teams division may strong think ! ! may posting way early eating words mid season c'mon , phillies n't proved anything yet atlanta similar phils 2 years ago sucked started good year , n't get respect actually division \( \) phils least good year , good 2 weeks , wo n't get respect either btw , atlanta 's 188 ba actually compliment good braves really record 6 3 imagine phils record batting 188 \? atlanta 's hitting improve dramatically , i'm braves fan defending good team orin bradley u phils way '93 braves hit like aaa club reds need marge bob i'm really jester disguise !
zmed16 trc amoco com \( michael \) subject sale 4 track recorder originator zmed16 organization amoco production company , tulsa research lines 11 fostex x 26 4 track recorder sale excellent condition includes dolby noise reduction , sub mixing , 6 inputs uses normal cassettes interested , make offer please respond zmed16 trc amoco com thanks , mike
rayssd ! esther uunet uu net \( esther paris \) subject harrassed work , could use prayers reply esther demand ed ray com organization equipment division , marlboro , lines 110 news feed broken n't received new news 243 hours \( 10 days \) , reply , please send private email address esther demand ed ray com set reply line address n't know work depends upon software , generally would n't expect reply cause email cc sent addition posting 'll probably need something specific , vary depending upon news software clh rate , need support \( much thanks jayne k already supporting kind words prayers ! \) 've working company eight years various engineering jobs i'm female yesterday counted realized seven different occasions 've sexually harrassed company seven times eight years yesterday recent one someone left x rated photo nude woman desk drawer i'm really upset suppose could worse could man sex sheep something note know someone 's idea innocent joke , went someone 's sick idea act emotional terrorism \( worked ! \) dreaded coming back work today boss comes ask kind question , n't know answer take military specification shelf look answer , falls picture man sex sheep \? generally bible desk occasional inspiration open corinthians find picture la north american man boy love association \? want throw thinking stuff lock desk , ca n't lock every book office ca n't trust someone wo n't shove something briefcase coat pocket i'm looking go home find picture , threat , note someone wants body make worse , entire department went lunch yesterday treat marvelous secretary lunch appointed hour leaving 11 30 working another building wanted go lunch returned 11 25 , find ever single person already left lunch left 11 15 one could bothered call building , even though number posted , came back department looked like neutron bomb gone sole survivor , despite fact everyone knew bad felt naked woman left desk drawer need prayers ca n't stop crying deeply wounded 's ridiculous feel like i'm kind sub human piece garbage people reduce sisters simply sex organs sex act feel like i'm sub human piece garbage 's worthy simple phone call saying 're leaving mary 's lunch little early bob get back big 1 00 meeting please pray either go away , miraculously turned something positive please pray whoever torturing stop , find healing please pray healed latest wound \( falls top whole slew wounds \) please pray find new job place corporate culture best prevent harrassment happening first place , swiftly acts appropriately something occurs despite best precautions \( company , opinion , pretty words sexual harrassment n't tolerated get right , one female engineer touched , left threatening notes , left pictures , spoken , etc , seven times eight years place \? pretty words company good i'm terrified healing latest assault \) please pray n't turn 's bad habit ignore go away , 're worth anyone 's time n't go talking anyone , 're right , sub human piece garbage deserve treated way , object , prostitute mind company ca n't others expect prostitute body well \? , makes think women n't possessions , nothing sex organs ability perform sex act \? kind thinking one major episode please pray thoughts n't come head stay , triggering depression please pray latest trauma n't come god way , wound like invitation deeper connection god , 's also possible trigger spiritual crisis separate one mentally god \( know god n't drop loving hand , 's awfully easy walk edge hand , look , think i'm falling forget god 's still holding \) although probably n't entirely appropriate newsgroup , really use kind loving support provide reason hope good mr moderator allows latest indulgence , 's allowed thermometer note , wall topics thanks advance everyone support prayers peace , esther esther paris , equipment div , marlboro , esther demand ed ray com esteem , nothing large enough please , small fingers john , lost senses ,
augustana ab ca subject document rtf organization augustana university college , , alberta lines 10 article 1993mar30 kaist ac kr , eve kaist ac kr \( yu \) writes anybody document rtf file know get \? thanks advance \) got one microsoft tech support sterling g , augustana ab ca uucp augustana university college , , alberta , canada \( 403 \) 679 1100
finn convex com \( tom finn \) subject multiple desktops nntp posting host eugene convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 22 article news hawaii edu dmcgee uluhe soest hawaii edu \( mcgee \) writes free share \( ware \) package allow multiple desktops windows 3 1 desired desk top several people name choice programs etc 's package called workspace cica 5 desktops n't done much yet , seems able want n't exact archive name handy , 's something like wspace blah zip tom finn convex com speak peace name ideal deduced fact wars jerry mercenary
stefan lis e technik tu muenchen de \( stefan \) subject zip info another dos mpeg decoder player posted keywords mpeg , dos reply stefan lis e technik tu muenchen de organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 74 posted dos mpeg decoder player alt binaries pictures utilities short description technical information , taken accompanying documentation v1 0 public domain mpeg decoder stefan 0 features another mpeg decoder player pc decodes \( nearly \) full mpeg video standard \( , p , b frames , frame size least supported \) saves decoded sequence 8 24bit raw file later display optional screen display decoding \( requires vga \) several dithering options ordered dither , floyd steinberg , grayscale color space selection runs dos , 640kb ram , ms windows required compact \( small code small data models , 16 bit arithmetic \) real time display raw file separate player vga many super 4 technical information player rather straightforward implementation mpeg spec 1 based chen wang 13 multiplication algorithm 2 \( quite optimum , know \) blocks eight non zero coefficients use non separated direct multiply accumulate 2d \( sounds great , n't \? \) , turned faster algorithm \( quite common \) case dithering pretty standard main difference berkeley decoder \( except fewer number supported algorithms \) use 256 instead 128 colors , \( default \) option use restricted color space implementation color saturation dominant ordered dither leads significantly superior quality dithered image \( claim , judge \) restricted color space means u v components clipped 0 25 \( instead 0 5 \) display color space points distributed restricted space since distance color space points thus reduced factor two , color resolution doubled expense able represent fully saturated colors saturation dominant ordered dither method color , lying somewhere points display color space , primarily alternating two points constant hue instead constant saturation yields better quality due lower sensitivity human viewing system saturation changes hue changes \( reasoning used pal tv standard improve ntsc \) improvement particularly visible dark brown areas stefan , stefan lis e technik tu muenchen de
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject can't breathe article pitt reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 33 article agate berkeley edu romdas uclink berkeley edu \( ella baff \) writes prostate treatment worse disease medicine really something identified prostate tissue observable changes take place , whenever occur , identified prostate cancer told subluxation \( spinal demons \) , n't exist therefore tissue damage incurred chiropractic treatment performed effort elusive silent killer , damage , joint surfaces , rib , strokes , , etc , definition worse non treatment john badanes , dc , ca email romdas uclink berkeley edu dc stand \? could n't posting chiropractor , could \? curiosity prostate ca especially troublesome entity chiropractors typically causes bone pain due spinal gets manipulated frequently manipulating cancer bone highly dangerous , since 've seen least three cases happened resulting neurologic damage , including one instance knowing read x rays really help chiropractor stay trouble chiropractors know bony mets prostate look like \? gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
bm967 cleveland freenet edu \( david kantrowitz \) subject share one monitor w 2 cpus \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 6 nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu centris 610 want get ibm machine well save space desk , would like use one monitor , switch box anyone know way \?
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) lines 23 organization university tennessee division continuing education article cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes according wnci 97 9 fm radio morning , dayton , ohio operating gun buy back giving 50 every functional gun turned ran money one day , passing 50 vouchers sort looking funds keep operating another media event brought hci something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works ack , public relations nightmare begging happen gun lobby pays nra shell dough david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
elliott optilink com \( paul elliott \) subject analog switches balanced distribution na organization dsc optilink access products lines 53 article msf msf arizona edu \( michael fulbright \) writes trying build synchronous demodulator 've hit snag application want able change gain op amp amplifier 1 1 , via digital input obvious way 've come use analog switches adjust gain op amp analog switch experience 4066 unfortunately want switch ac signal goes 5v 5v , 4066 positive signals carrier signal varies 0v 5v want input signal feeding input signal thru amp gain 1 carrier 5v , thru amp gain 1 carrier 0v output low pass filtered believe called lock detection well synchronous look triple 2 1 transmission gate analog multiplexer , positive negative power supplies \( run single ended supply well \) dual supplies , logic inputs still range ground \( 0 volts \) neat \( well , think \) design polarity amplifier input opamp output control x \( analog switch \) gnd resistors equal value analog switch closed , amp gain one switch open , non gain one clean circuit trim input offset current hurts balance \( would show carrier feed \) high frequencies , slew rate opamp might cause problems , especially n't symmetrical \( usually n't \) paul elliott dsc optilink petaluma , ca usa uunet , pyramid , ! optilink ! elliott elliott optilink com used think , i'm sure
bhjelle carina unm edu \( \) subject barbecued foods health risk organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 18 nntp posting host carina unm edu article edb acsu buffalo edu ubvm cc buffalo edu writes article cup portal com mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes , something called delany amendment makes carcinogenic food additives illegal amount passed congress think keep mind even though may illegal commercially produce sell food carcinogenic substances , illegal people food \( smoking , etc \) true \? whoa say name \? address , ssn \? smoking foods , eh \? think gov't would like know brian \)
gowen jade tufts edu \( g lee owen \) subject postscript x terminal reply edit 's message 22 apr 93 14 08 31 gmt lines 20 organization tufts university medford , distribution na problem i'm using postscript working local sun sparcstation ipc postscript works good , connect sun x terminal get error messages postscript cannot connect news display n't postscript work x terminal xterminals news server xterminals speed nature limited functionality add news everything else , workstation workarounds , 've heard , one involving perl script trying replace programs need news \( like pageview \) programs n't \( like ghostview \) maybe someone else elaborate perl workaround personal experience greg owen gowen forte cs tufts edu , gowen jade tufts edu systems programmer ta , tufts university computer science dept 230 transfers disclaimed host name boss 's address 230 n't like policy , disconnect !
chuck cygnus eid anl gov \( charles \) subject slugging percentage computed \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 3 nntp posting host cs utexas edu subject line says thanks advance please email chuck cygnus eid anl gov go cubs !
csulb edu \( steve la \) subject cdrom audio cable lines 10 organization cal state long beach distribution usa looking cdrom audio cable connect toshiba 3401b \( l r audio \) pro audio spectrum 16 sound card thanks advance pointers steve steve la \) \( \) \) \) network manager \) \) csulb edu \( \) \) \) \( 310 \) 985 calstate university long beach , 1250 blvd long beach , ca
sims vax cns muskingum edu subject misc radio related equipment organization muskingum college lines 112 lots misc radio related items sale ! still trying lighten load moving ! motorola vhf pager , digital , voice readout 15 2 capacitor checkers hp audio oscillator 5 hz 600 khz 1200 feet brand new 1 2 tv new connectors , 5 pieces lots gain mobile antennas vhf uhf uhf amp , input 75 mhz output 450 mhz , 30 watts service manual , came motorola make reasonable offer looking 40 shipping trade \? rca tac 300 uhf dash mount w service manual , great condition , currently frequency 462 725 repeater simplex pl 151 4 hz 100 qr 75 2 power supply sorensen , w service manual , 2 amp variable power supply , used 80 vdc weight 45 motorola tone remote model , works great , monitor button , 75 unit used remote base station two wires also tone remote board super , make offer , could used remote ! model trn w 100 motorola , mh 10 \( 4 \) w charger , speaker mic , leather case , currently 34 830 , w decks motorola radios reasonable esp take , anyone offer 10 trade \? pl reeds , \( 30 think \) also code plugs e mail need sell transmit tubes ge radios , new box 5 db gain uhf mobile antennas motorola , used , sold new 90 , make reasonable offer sell 3 45 shipping motorcycle control head cable frequency selector speaker one , 4 channel , believe came micom asking 20 shipping channel elements motorola , , 3 sets vhf , uhf , low band , mobile microphones ge , motorola , rca reasonable offer motorola dc remote adaptor model 75 still business band service manuals esp ge motorola , e mail details phone restrict toll boxes \( 2 \) use quarters dtmf mobile mic ge master pro uhf mobile , working , accessories , trunk mount radio 20 shipping 6' ge base cabinet w 19 rack cabinet vhf 19 rack base cabinet , johnson hd satellite dish jack arm 2 multi conductor wire , w shield , thickness approx 1 2 ge master pro mobile control heads cables eagle model 2 level sensor , tells full container prices include shipping ! items pickup size weight , locations eastern ohio interested e mail call jim sims sr \( 614 \) 439 9 pm eastern sims vax cns muskingum edu
janzen mpr ca \( martin janzen \) subject put rpc hp x motif environment \? nntp posting host reply janzen mprgate mpr ca organization mpr teltech ltd lines 30 article news2 cis umn edu , ianhogg milli cs umn edu \( ian j hogg \) writes article 1993apr19 sol ctr columbia edu nova ctr columbia edu \( nui chan \) writes anybody implements rpc server hp xwindows \? sun xview , notify enable rpc svc \( \) call automatically executes rpc processes detects incoming request wonder similar function hp x motif perform function 've using package year believe got export glad hear 's working ! could n't find export however , simon simon epfl ch added imakefile athena version , made available ftp file epfl ch pub x contrib tar z \( note z suffix 'll need gnu gzip also pub gnu uncompress \) n't work , send note 'd happy mail copy probably wo n't get start may i'm holidays tomorrow ! \) martin janzen janzen mprgate mpr ca \( 134 87 131 13 \) mpr teltech ltd nelson way burnaby , bc , canada p dublin x folks want go guinness , say , 's \?
kephart kephart snowhite eeap cwru edu subject lciii problems \( sideways hd 's \) organization case school engineering lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host b62182 student cwru edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id b62182 student cwru edu x xxdate fri , 16 apr 93 11 14 26 gmt article menudo uh edu , sunnyt coding bchs uh edu writes good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position , completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position i'm saying hard disk fail tomorrow 6 months , take chance \? want detailed info problem , please mail sunnyt dna bchs uh edu sunny , asked question ago contemplating placing 650 's side received response someone seagate \( sorry trashed message \) stating newer drives \( least \) well compensate gravity means horizontally formatted drive later placed vertically data integrity problems way newer drives cannot work varying forces \( shaking , bouncing , etc \) n't place drive 's side rocking chair \) constitutes drive n't know , try calling drive manufacturer quantum internal , since got month ago , guessing 's
ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) subject boom ! dog attack ! reply ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver b c \( 604 \) 986 9937 \( 604 \) 255 9937 lines 59 previous posting dog attacks must generated bad karma something 've weathered attempted dog attacks using approved method slow screw dog 's triangulation target , take laugh dog , far behind time , n't work n't time riding hill leading house , encountered liver white springer spaniel \( relation springer softail , springer spagthorpe , close relation spagthorpe viking \) actually , dog encountered intent harm digress riding near \( \) centerline roughly 30 foot wide road , forty sixty clicks \( 30 mph velocity impaired \) dog shot behind left side road high speed later learned accelerating front porch , thirty feet away , heading gently approach side road saw dog , could say , boom ! took dog left leg , marks bike leg driven side bike considerable force , making permanent marks plastic parts bike , cracking one panel think saw dog spin around looked back , memory moment hazy next turned around , picked likely looking house woman explained dog seriously hurt \( cut mouth \) hoped hurt either could feel pain shin , expected cool purple welt form soon sadly , i'm left tender shin , cool battle scars ! interestingly , one thing never happened bike never moved course inconsiderable impact push bike course , cause put bike control gut reaction sudden impact delayed pain may helped , n't feel sudden sharp pain remember worries accident n't think could prevented except traveling much slower necessarily unreasonable suggestion residential area , riding around speed limit worry would happened car instead dog , console thought would take truly insane bdi cager whip blind driveway 15 30 mph matter , many driveways long enough car hit 30 mph end \? eagerly await comment ryan cousinetc 1982 yamaha vision xz550 black pig inverness live ride kotrb 1958 ajs 500 c king rat work dod 0863 'd squid could afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver , bc , canada live slmr 2 1a 's hurt dammit jim , i'm doctor oh , right computer dynamics bbs 604 255 9937 \( hst \) 604 986 9937 \( v32 \) vancouver , bc , canada easy access , low rates , friendly sysop
kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) subject 2 're poll organization university illinois urbana lines 39 kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes article 1993apr16 cunews carleton ca akasacou alfred carleton ca \( alexander \) writes article veal 729 utkvm1 utk edu veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes , said spent money guns rather people , canada ridiculous estimated general level average reader rush limbaugh canada per capita spend money people us spend money per capita guns exactly mean say u spends per capita guns canada \? talking u government talking purchase guns private citizens \? referring private citizens point individuals money essentially business , hand , meant u government spends per capita guns canada point relevant , true u needs get priorities straight people important guns say guns n't important i'm saying u government spend per capita guns people something meant us spends per capita guns canada n't really surprising busy protecting western world ussr countries could slack defense spending would like see us spends per capita people canada true apples apples comparison previous post apples oranges
karish gondwana stanford edu \( chuck karish \) subject recommended bike tall beginner organization mindcraft , inc distribution usa lines 13 article sdcc12 ucsd edu sdcc3 ucsd edu \( john \) writes looking advice bikes check 6'4 tall , find legs hips bent bikes ridden \( many admittedly \) bikes built taller rider \? 's plenty kawasaki bit short braking department spirited street riding , enough dirt less agressive street stuff chuck karish karish mindcraft com \( 415 \) 323 9000 karish pangea stanford edu
hall vice \( hal f lillywhite 627 59 360 lp \) subject help organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 73 article apr 21 03 26 51 1993 geneva rutgers edu lmvec westminster ac uk \( william hargreaves \) writes i'm commited christian battling problem know romans talks saved faith deeds , yet hebrews james say faith without deeds useless , saying' fools , still think believing enough \? ' actually n't think conflict really understand passages say first , faith \? study meaning greek hebrew words translated think come conclusion word means lot mere belief faith means trust action put belief action simply cannot qualify faith think james means says faith without works dead , show faith works remember james writing twelve tribes scattered abroad probably means writing would hear gospel much later would n't understand meaning original greek \( indeed suspect james writing us , today , among others intended reach \) paul , hand wrote mostly people roman empire generally understood meaning greek another key conflict look paul 's statements context think find paul faith works context comparing gospel law , meaning law moses great burden paul 's life apostle gentiles would go convert bunch people , would come along try convince also obey law moses \( cf acts chapter 15 \) context paul condemns idea saved works law , saying saved blood jesus faith believe better translation today would saved faithfulness think faithfulness today meaning closer original writers intended someone fully believing life totally lead god , according romans person still saved faith think misunderstand romans paul really saying god prefers faithful gentile keep kosher kosher jew fails stay faithful important matters following lord charity toward fellows bit says god someone cold \( e n't know condemned \) lukewarm christian someone knows believes god n't make attempt live bible sense faith described , cannot real faith lukewarm know god lukewarm \( \) , worse person never heard remember , jesus parable pearl great price \( mat 13 45 46 \) one treasure hidden field \( mat 13 44 \) indicates price kingdom god agree general , including fact force faithful however take far , end something paul definitely would intended faithful means following god things say saved faithful close saying saved commiting sins assume 's meant almost given finding specific verbal formula completely captures however think paul describing 'd call basic orientation , including aspects trust commitment jesus speaks rebirth , implies basic change may still things sinful , may fail show new life christ many situations christian better basic change orientation jesus calls born clh
k hprnd rose hp com \( steve kao \) subject blast next time organization hewlett packard roseville site lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host hprnd rose hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 daniel oldham \( oldham ces cwru edu \) wrote batf needs people , better weapons armored transports arms build waco needed hit compound mega fire power could gone blasting killed women kids would better letting burn death 51 days later joke \? legal way serve search warrant knock door tossing grenade serve search warrant violates us constitution hence , illegal bd legal search warrants past understand batf used illegal means serve search warrant last february steve kao
er1 eridan chuvashia su \( \) subject sale high oil russia , 450 ton 400 ton reply er1 eridan chuvashia su distribution eunet organization firm eridan lines 1 address er1 eridan chuvashia su
sherry cs okstate edu \( sherry robert mich \) subject scf files , help needed organization oklahoma state university lines 27 article 1993apr21 cx5 com , tlc cx5 com 've got old demo disk need view made using rix files two diskette set end scf demo vga resolution \( 256 colors \) , n't know spatial resolution according manual scf files 640x480x256 first problem try run demo , screen two black bars cut across \( horizontally \) screen , top third bottom third screen bars 1 inch wide , demo \( animation part \) seems running fine second problem ca n't find graphics program open display files couple image conversion programs , none mention scf files may try vpic , think handles 256 color rix files ok rob sherry sherry cs okstate edu
larryhow austin ibm com \( \) subject laserjet iv upgrades opinions originator larryhow larryhow austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 13 current products available upgrade resolution \? ones support postscript \? experiences , either good bad \? quality difference really noticable \? i'm planning producing camera ready copy homes higher resolution noticed \?
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject satanic tounges organization university georgia , athens lines 34 article may 6 00 34 49 1993 geneva rutgers edu marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) writes simple test take several people speak one language \( e g chinese , russian , german , english \) let gifted one start speaking toungues audience understand gifted one clearly native language however , gifted one hear speaking language would neat , nowhere bible say one gift tounges gift tounges ability understood everyone , matter languages know , would need gift interpretation , corinthians 14 would written perhaps would believe gifted ones glorifying god rather perhaps 'd witness real miracle 's pretty harsh assumption make several million christians world wide sure , want glory speak tounges , among gift people like church also mean true gift speak tounges glory sight men would venture say large percentage speak tounges often private prayer public link hudson apparently early church claimed pentecost miracle crowd given ability understand apostles speaking greek clh
kckluge eecs umich edu \( karl kluge \) subject gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian reply arf genesis mcs com 's message 15 apr 1993 20 57 53 0500 organization university michigan lines 21 arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) subject gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian date 15 apr 1993 20 57 53 0500 ca n't speak organizations cited everywhere look society government , one see relentless movement toward one world government fact media values patriotism , nationalism clues border people trade already lost great deal i'm sure people big fans pissed emergence modern nation state imagine , king allowing freedom could live city year ! times change , technology changes , viable forms social organization change concerns preserving western notions civil liberties face cultures different values valid one , 's waste effort try turn back tide 's much smarter focus trying make sure emerging forms social organization acceptable iss passing old forms
chongo toad com \( landon c noll \) subject 10th international obfuscated c code contest opening \( part 2 2 \) article toad expires 7 may 93 00 00 00 gmt reply chongo toad com uucp \( landon c noll \) distribution world organization nebula consultants san francisco lines enclosed rules , guidelines related information 10th international obfuscated c code contest \( part 2 2 part shar file \) enjoy ! chongo landon curt noll oo larry bassel ! bin sh part 02 archive mkentry c echo x extracting mkentry c \( text \) sed 's x ' 'shar eof' mkentry c x \( \) mkentry c 1 24 3 1 93 02 28 49 x x copyright \( c \) landon curt noll larry bassel , 1993 x rights reserved permission personal , education non profit use x granted provided copyright notice included x entirety remains unaltered uses must receive prior x permission writing landon curt noll larry bassel x x x mkentry make international obfuscated c code contest entry x x usage x mkentry r remarks b build p prog c ioccc entry x x r remarks file remarks entry x b build file containing prog c built x p prog c obfuscated program source file x ioccc entry ioccc entry output file x x compile x cc mkentry c mkentry x x x placed public domain landon curt noll , 1992 x x software provided ``as without express implied x warranties , including , without limitation , implied warranties x fitness particular purpose x x x warning x x program attempts implement ioccc rules every attempt x made make sure program produces entry x conforms contest rules cases , program x differs contest rules , contest rules used x sure check contest rules submitting entry x x send questions comments \( entries \) contest , x x ! sun , pacbell , uunet , pyramid ! hoptoad ! judges x judges toad com x rules guidelines may \( often \) change year x year sure current rules guidelines x prior submitting entries obtain 3 , send email x address use subject 'send rules' x x contest rules change year year , one use x program year intended sure rule year x define matches current year x x x include stdio h x include ctype h x include time h x include sys types h x include sys stat h x x logic x ifndef true x define true 1 x endif true x ifndef false x define false 0 x endif false x define eof ok true x define eof ok false x x global limits x define rule year 1993 note match current year x define start date 0 00 utc first confirmation received x define max col 79 max column line hit x define max build size 256 max build size x define max program size 3217 max program source size x define max program size2 1536 max program source size counting x whitespace followed x whitespace eof x define max title len 12 max chars title x define max entry len 1 max length entry input line x define max entry 8 max number entries per person per year x define max file len 1024 max filename length info file x x send entries x define entry ! apple , pyramid , sun , uunet ! hoptoad ! obfuscate x define entry obfuscate toad com x x uuencode process assumes ascii x define uuencode \( c \) \( encode str \( int \) \( c \) 0xff \) x define uuencode len 45 max uuencode chunk size x define mode 0444 mode info file 's uuencode file x define uubuild mode 0444 mode build file 's uuencode file x define uubuild name build name build file 's uuencode file x define uuprog mode 0444 mode program 's uuencode file x define uuprog name prog c name program 's uuencode file x x encode str \( char \) val uuencoded character val encode str 256 1 ` ! ' \( \) , 0123456789 \? abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ! ' \( \) , 0123456789 \? abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ! ' \( \) , 0123456789 \? abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ! ' \( \) , 0123456789 \? abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz x x global declarations program name start time startup time x x forward declarations xvoid parse args \( \) xvoid usage \( \) xfile open remark \( \) xfile open build \( \) xfile open program \( \) xfile open output \( \) xvoid output entry \( \) xvoid output remark \( \) xvoid output author \( \) xvoid output info \( \) xvoid output build \( \) xvoid output program \( \) xvoid output end \( \) xint get line \( \) xvoid output till dot \( \) xint col len \( \) xvoid check io \( \) xvoid uuencode \( \) x \( argc , argv \) x int argc arg count x char argv args x x file remark null open remarks stream x file build null open build file stream x file prog null open program stream x file output null open output stream x char rname null file remarks entry x char bname null file containing prog c built x char pname null obfuscated program source file x char oname null ioccc entry output file x struct tm tm startup time structure x x x check year x x start time time \( \( long \) 0 \) x tm \( start time \) x \( tm tm year ! rule year 1900 \) x fprintf \( stderr , x warning program applies , may differ n n , x argv 0 , rule year , 1900 tm tm year \) x x x x parse command line args x x parse args \( argc , argv , rname , bname , pname , oname \) x x x open check input output files x x open output file first , case x one input files x x output open output \( oname \) x remark open remark \( rname \) x build open build \( bname \) x prog open program \( pname \) x \( output null remark null build null prog null \) x exit \( 1 \) x x x x output section x x output entry \( output , oname \) x output remark \( output , oname , remark , rname \) x output author \( output , oname \) x output info \( output , oname \) x output build \( output , oname , build , bname \) x output program \( output , oname , prog , pname \) x output end \( output , oname \) x x x flush output x x \( fflush \( output \) eof \) x fprintf \( stderr , flush error , program , oname \) x perror \( \) x exit \( 2 \) x x x x final words x x printf \( entry found check file n , x oname \) x printf \( correct problems verify uudecode utility n \) x printf \( correctly decode build file program n n \) x printf \( program provided guide n \) x printf \( cases conflicts rules , rules shall apply n \) x printf \( responsibility ensure entry conforms n \) x printf \( current rules n n \) x printf \( email entries n \) x printf \( n , entry \) x printf \( n n , entry \) x printf \( please use following subject email entry n \) x printf \( entry n n \) x done x exit \( 0 \) x x x x parse args parse command line args x x given command line args , function sets x required name flags function return command x line syntax correct x xvoid args \( argc , argv , rname , bname , pname , oname \) x int argc arg count x char argv args x char rname file remarks entry x char bname file containing prog c built x char pname obfuscated program source file x char oname ioccc entry output file x x char optarg flag option operand x int flagname name flag x int x x x everyone , must parse args hand x x program argv 0 x \( 1 argc \) x x determine flagname x \( argv 0 ! ' ' \) x usage \( 1 \) x notreached x x flagname \( int \) argv 1 x x determine flag 's operand x \( flagname ! ' 0' argv 2 ! ' 0' \) x optarg argv 2 x else x \( 1 argc \) x usage \( 2 \) x notreached x else x optarg argv x x x x save flag 's operand correct global variable x switch \( flagname \) x case 'r' x rname optarg x break x case 'b' x bname optarg x break x case x pname optarg x break x case 'o' x oname optarg x break x default x usage \( 3 \) x notreached x x x x x verify required flags x x \( rname null bname null pname null oname null \) x usage \( 4 \) x notreached x x return x x x x usage print usage message exit x x function return x xvoid \( exitval \) x int exitval exit value x x fprintf \( stderr , x usage r remarks b build p prog c ioccc entry n n , program \) x fprintf \( stderr , r remarks remarks entry n \) x fprintf \( stderr , b build containing prog c built n \) x fprintf \( stderr , p prog c obfuscated program source file n \) x fprintf \( stderr , ioccc entry entry output file n \) x exit \( exitval \) x x x x open remark open check remark file x x remark file indented 4 spaces , extend x beyond column max col requirements , warn x x function returns null format error x xfile xopen remark \( filename \) x char filename x x file stream opened file stream x char buf bufsiz 1 input buffer x int toolong 0 number lines long x int non indent 0 number lines indented 4 spaces x x x open remark input file x x stream fopen \( filename , r \) x \( stream null \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot open remark file , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x return \( null \) x x x x look line x x \( fgets \( buf , bufsiz , stream \) ! null \) x x count lines start 4 spaces x \( buf 0 ! ' n' \( buf , , 4 \) ! 0 \) x non indent x x x count long lines x \( col len \( buf \) max col \) x found line long x toolong x x x x watch errors x check io \( stream , filename , eof ok \) x x note long lines needed x \( toolong 0 \) x fprintf \( stderr , x warning line \( \) extend beyond column n , x program , toolong , filename \) x fprintf \( stderr , x ok , would nice avoid n n , x program \) x x x note non indented lines , needed x \( non indent 0 \) x fprintf \( stderr , x warning line \( \) indented 4 spaces n , x program , non indent , filename \) x fprintf \( stderr , x ok , would nice avoid n n , x program \) x x x return open file x rewind \( stream \) x return \( stream \) x x x x open build open check build file x x build file must longer max build size bytes x x function returns null size error x xfile xopen build \( filename \) x char filename x x file stream opened file stream x struct stat statbuf status open file x x x open build input file x x stream fopen \( filename , r \) x \( stream null \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot open build file , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x return \( null \) x x x x determine size file x x \( \( \( stream \) , statbuf \) 0 \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot stat build file , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x return \( null \) x x \( statbuf st size max build size \) x fprintf \( stderr , x fatal build file , bytes long n , x program , filename , statbuf st size \) x fprintf \( stderr , x may longer bytes n , x program , max build size \) x return \( null \) x x x return open file x return \( stream \) x x x x open program open check program source file x x program source file must 3217 bytes number x non whitespace chars followed whitespace must x 1536 bytes x x function returns null size error x xfile xopen program \( filename \) x char filename x x file stream opened file stream x struct stat statbuf status open file x int count special count size x int c character read x x x open program source input file x x stream fopen \( filename , r \) x \( stream null \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot open program source file , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x exit \( 7 \) x x x x determine size file x x \( \( \( stream \) , statbuf \) 0 \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot stat program source file , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x return \( null \) x x \( statbuf st size max program size \) x fprintf \( stderr , x fatal program source file , bytes long n , x program , filename , statbuf st size \) x fprintf \( stderr , x may longer bytes n , x program , max program size \) x return \( null \) x x x x count non whitespace , non followed whitespace chars x x count 0 x c 0 x \( \( c fgetc \( stream \) \) ! eof \) x look non whitespace x \( ! isascii \( c \) ! \( c \) \) x switch \( c \) x case ' ' count followed eof whitespace x case ' ' x case ' ' x peek next char x c fgetc \( stream \) x \( c ! eof isascii \( c \) ! \( c \) \) x followed whitespace eof , count x \( c , stream \) x count x x break x default x count x break x x x x x watch errors x check io \( stream , filename , eof ok \) x x look special size x \( count max program size2 \) x fprintf \( stderr , x fatal number bytes non whitespace , n , x program \) x fprintf \( stderr , x ' ' , ' ' , ' ' followed whitespace n , x program \) x fprintf \( stderr , x eof must bytes n , x program , max program size2 \) x fprintf \( stderr , x , bytes found n , x program , filename , count \) x return \( null \) x x x return open file x rewind \( stream \) x return \( stream \) x x x x open output open check entry output file x x function returns null open error x xfile xopen output \( filename \) x char filename x x file stream opened file stream x x x open ioccc entry output file x x stream fopen \( filename , w \) x \( stream null \) x fprintf \( stderr , cannot open ioccc entry file output , x program , filename \) x perror \( \) x exit \( 8 \) x x x return open file x return \( stream \) x x x x output entry output entry section x x read needed information form stdin , write entry section x xvoid xoutput entry \( output , oname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x x char title max title len 1 1 entry 's title x char buf max col 1 1 buffer x int entry 0 entry number x int ret fields processed x int ok line 0 0 line ok x char skip input skip x file date pipe pipe date command x time epoch sec seconds since epoch x char p x x x write start section x x fprintf \( output , entry n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x write rule year x x fprintf \( output , rule n , rule year \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x determine fix x printf \( fix , update resubmittion \) x printf \( previous entry \( enter n \) \? \) x \( get line \( buf , 1 1 , 0 \) 0 ! \( buf 0 'y' buf 0 'n' \) \) x printf \( nplease answer n \) x x \( buf 0 'y' \) x fprintf \( output , fix ty n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x printf \( sure title entry number give n \) x printf \( entry replacing n \) x else x fprintf \( output , fix tn n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x x write title x x printf \( title must match expression za z0 9 character n \) x printf \( followed 0 za z0 9 characters n n , x max title len 1 \) x printf \( suggested , required , title n \) x printf \( incorporate username n \) x printf \( case multiple authors , consider using parts n \) x printf \( authors n n \) x printf \( enter title \) x x prompt read line x \( \( ok line get line \( title , max title len 1 , max col 9 \) \) 0 \) x printf \( long , please enter \) x continue x x x verify pattern , everyone , hand x \( ! isascii \( \( int \) title 0 \) x ! \( \( \( int \) title 0 \) title 0 ' ' title 0 ' ' \) \) x printf \( first character title n n \) x printf \( enter title \) x ok line 0 x else x \( p \( title 1 \) p ! ' 0' p ! ' n' p \) x \( ! isascii \( \( int \) p \) x ! \( \( \( int \) p \) x p ' ' p ' ' p ' ' p ' ' \) \) x printf \( character title n n \) x printf \( enter title \) x ok line 0 x x x x \( ok line 0 \) x fprintf \( output , title , title \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x write entry number x x printf \( person may submit entries per year n n , x max entry \) x printf \( enter entry number 0 inclusive , max entry 1 \) x x get valid input line x fflush \( stdout \) x ret \( stdin , n , entry \) x check io \( stdin , stdin , eof ok \) x skip input newline found x x skip fgetc \( stdin \) x check io \( stdin , stdin , eof ok \) x \( skip ! ' n' \) x bad text input , invalidate entry number x entry 1 x x \( skip ! ' n' \) x x check number , range x \( ret ! 1 entry 0 entry max entry 1 \) x printf \( x entry number must 0 inclusive n n , x max entry 1 \) x printf \( enter entry number \) x x \( ret ! 1 entry 0 entry max entry 1 \) x fprintf \( output , entry n , entry \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x write submission date x x returns newline x epoch sec time \( null \) x fprintf \( output , date , asctime \( \( epoch sec \) \) \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x write os machine host information x x printf \( x nenter machine \( \) os \( \) entry tested n \) x output till dot \( output , oname , host \) x x x x output remark output remark section x x read needed information form stdin , write entry section x xvoid xoutput remark \( output , oname , remark , rname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x file remark stream file containing remark text x char rname name remark file x x char buf bufsiz 1 input output buffer x x x write start section x x fprintf \( output , remark n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x copy remark file section x x \( fgets \( buf , bufsiz , remark \) ! null \) x \( buf , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x check io \( remark , rname , eof ok \) x x sure remark section ends newline x \( buf strlen \( buf \) 1 ! ' n' \) x fputc \( ' n' , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x x x output author output author section x x read needed information stdin , write author section x multiple authors exist , multiple author sections written x xvoid xoutput author \( output , oname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x x char buf max col 1 1 buffer x int auths true authors note x int auth cnt 0 number authors processed x x x prompt user author section x x printf \( nenter information author entry n \) x printf \( contest deadline , judges n , start date \) x printf \( attempt email back confirmation first author n \) x x x place author information author individual section x x x x write start section x fprintf \( output , author n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x write author x printf \( name , auth cnt \) x \( get line \( buf , max col 1 , max col 9 \) 0 \) x printf \( long , please enter \) x x fprintf \( output , name , buf \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x write organization x printf \( nenter school company organization author n , x auth cnt \) x printf \( org , auth cnt \) x \( get line \( buf , max col 1 , max col 9 \) 0 \) x printf \( long , please enter \) x x fprintf \( output , org , buf \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x write address x printf \( x nenter postal address author sure include n , x auth cnt \) x printf \( country include name n \) x output till dot \( output , oname , addr \) x x write email address x printf \( x nenter email address author use address n , x auth cnt \) x printf \( x registered domain well known site give several n \) x printf \( forms , list one per line n \) x output till dot \( output , oname , email \) x x write anonymous status x printf \( author remain anonymous \( enter n \) \? , x auth cnt \) x \( get line \( buf , 1 1 , 0 \) 0 ! \( buf 0 'y' buf 0 'n' \) \) x printf \( nplease answer n \) x x fprintf \( output , anon , buf \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x determine another author x printf \( nis another author \( enter n \) \? \) x \( get line \( buf , 1 1 , 0 \) 0 ! \( buf 0 'y' buf 0 'n' \) \) x printf \( nplease answer n \) x x \( buf 0 'y' \) x auths true x else x auths false x x \( auths true \) x return x x x x output info output info section \( \) x x read needed information stdin , write info section x multiple info files exist , multiple info sections written x xvoid xoutput info \( output , oname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x x char infoname max file len 1 filename buffer x char yorn 1 1 n answer x char uuname name uuencode x file infile info file stream x x x prompt user info information x x printf \( files used supplement entry n \) x printf \( example , info files may provide sample input detailed n \) x printf \( information entry supplemental , n \) x printf \( entry require exist n n \) x x x another info file save , uuencode x x printf \( info file include \( enter n \) \? \) x \( get line \( yorn , 1 1 , 0 \) 0 ! \( yorn 0 'y' yorn 0 'n' \) \) x printf \( nplease answer n \) x x \( yorn 0 'y' \) x x read filename x printf \( nenter info filename \) x \( get line \( infoname , max file len 1 , 0 \) 0 \) x printf \( filename long , please enter \) x x x compute info filename x remove trailing newline x uuname infoname strlen \( infoname \) 1 x uuname ' 0' x avoid rindex compat issues , hand x \( uuname uuname infoname uuname \) x \( uuname ' ' \) x uuname x break x x x x attempt open info file x infile fopen \( infoname , r \) x \( infile null \) x fprintf \( stderr , n cannot open info file , x program , infoname \) x perror \( \) x continue x x x x write start section x x fprintf \( output , info n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x uuencode info file x uuencode \( output , oname , infile , infoname , mode , uuname \) x x printf \( another info file include \( enter n \) \? \) x \( get line \( yorn , 1 1 , 0 \) 0 ! \( yorn 0 'y' yorn 0 'n' \) \) x printf \( nplease answer n \) x x x return x x x x output build output build section x x read needed information stdin , write build section x xvoid xoutput build \( output , oname , build , bname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x file build open build file stream x char bname name build file x x x write start section x x fprintf \( output , build n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x uuencode program file x x uuencode \( output , oname , build , bname , uubuild mode , uubuild name \) x return x x x x output program output program section x x read needed information form stdin , write program section x xvoid xoutput program \( output , oname , prog , pname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x file prog open program stream x char pname name program file x x x write start section x x fprintf \( output , program n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x uuencode program file x x uuencode \( output , oname , prog , pname , uuprog mode , uuprog name \) x return x x x x output end output end section x x read needed information form stdin , write 'end x xvoid xoutput end \( output , oname \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x x x write final section terminator x x fprintf \( output , end n \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x return x x x x get line get answer stdin x x function flush stdout , case prompt pending , x read answer x x function returns 0 line long , length x line \( including newline \) line ok function x return error eof x xint line \( buf , siz , maxcol \) x char buf input buffer x int siz length input , including newline x int maxcol max col allowed , 0 disable check x x int length length input line x x flush terminal output x fflush \( stdout \) x x read line x \( fgets \( buf , siz 1 , stdin \) null \) x report problem x check io \( stdin , stdin , eof ok \) x x x look newline x length strlen \( buf \) x \( buf length 1 ! ' n' \) x int eatchar char eaten x x newline found , line must long , eat rest line x x eatchar fgetc \( stdin \) x \( eatchar ! eof eatchar ! ' n' \) x check io \( stdin , stdin , eof ok \) x x report situation x return 0 x x x watch long lines , needed x \( maxcol 0 \( length maxcol col len \( buf \) maxcol \) \) x report situation x return 0 x x x return length x return length x x x x output till dot output set lines ' ' read x x routine read set lines \( including \) x single line ' ' read format output x x leader line x line x line x x x routine return error eof x xvoid xoutput till dot \( output , oname , leader \) x file output entry 's output file stream x char oname name output file x char leader lead text first line x x char buf bufsiz 1 input buffer x int count lines read x int done false true finished reading input x x instruct user input x printf \( end input , enter line single period n \) x x read lines ' ' eof x count 0 x \( ! done \) x issue prompt x printf \( , \( count 0 \) \? leader \) x fflush \( stdout \) x x get line x \( get line \( buf , bufsiz , max col 9 \) 0 \) x printf \( long , please enter n \) x continue x x x note ' ' read x \( \( buf , n \) 0 \) x done true x x x write line read something x \( ! done \) x fprintf \( output , , \( count 0 \) \? leader , buf \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x x lines read , least output something x \( count 0 \) x fprintf \( output , n , leader \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x return x x x x col len determine highest string would reach x x given string , routine returns string would reach x string printed column 1 tab stops assumed x start 9 , 17 , 25 , 33 , x xint len \( string \) x char string string examine x x int col current column x char p current char x x scan string x \( col 0 , p string p ! ' 0' p ! ' n' p \) x note column shift x col \( p ' t' \) \? 1 \( \( col 8 \) 8 8 \) col 1 x x \( p ' n' \) x col x x x return highest column x return col x x x x check io check eof error stream x x return eof error x xvoid io \( stream , name , eof ok \) x file stream stream check x char name name stream x int eof ok eof ok eof ok x x test error x \( \( stream \) \) x fprintf \( stderr , error , program , name \) x perror \( \) x exit \( 1 \) x x test eof x else \( eof ok eof ok \( stream \) \) x fprintf \( stderr , eof n , program , name \) x exit \( 1 \) x x return x x x x uuencode uuencode file x x perform process identical process performed x uuencode \( 1 \) utility x x routine implements algorithm described uuencode \( 5 \) x 4 reno man page x xvoid \( output , oname , infile , iname , umode , uname \) x file output output file stream x char oname output filename x file infile input file stream x char iname input filename x int umode mode put uuencode file x char uname name put uuencode file x x char buf uuencode len 1 uuencode buffer x int read len actual number chars read x int val 6 bit chunk buf x char filler ' 0' filler uuencode pad text x char p x x x output initial uuencode header x x fprintf \( output , begin n , umode , uname \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x clear input buffer x x \( p buf p buf sizeof \( buf \) sizeof \( buf 0 \) p \) x p ' 0' x x x x process uuencode len chars time , forming x single output line time x x \( \( read len \( buf , sizeof \( buf 0 \) , uuencode len , infile \) \) 0 \) x x x first character length character x x fputc \( uuencode \( read len \) , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x convert 24 bits time thus convert x 3 sets 8 bits 4 sets uuencoded 6 bits x x \( p buf read len 0 read len 3 , p 3 \) x x bits 0 5 x val \( p 0 2 \) x fputc \( uuencode \( val \) , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x bits 6 11 x val \( \( p 0 4 \) \) \( \( p 1 4 \) \) x fputc \( uuencode \( val \) , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x bits 12 17 x val \( \( p 1 2 \) \) \( \( p 2 6 \) \) x fputc \( uuencode \( val \) , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x bits 18 23 x val p 2 x fputc \( uuencode \( val \) , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x end uuencode len line x fputc \( ' n' , output \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x x x clear input buffer \( n't depend \( \) memset \( \) \) x x \( p buf p buf sizeof \( buf \) sizeof \( buf 0 \) p \) x p ' 0' x x x x check last read input file x check io \( infile , iname , eof ok \) x x write end uuencode file x fprintf \( output , c n , uuencode \( filler \) \) x check io \( output , oname , eof ok \) x shar eof chmod 0444 mkentry c echo restore mkentry c failed set `wc c mkentry c` wc c 1 test wc c ! echo original size , current size wc c fi obfuscate info echo x extracting obfuscate info \( text \) sed 's x ' 'shar eof' obfuscate info obfuscated contest information x xcopyright \( c \) landon curt noll larry bassel , 1993 xall rights reserved permission personal , education non profit use xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered uses must receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel x xthe international obfuscated c code contest \( ioccc \) , operation , willing mention programming contents , space x contest included file x x wish ioccc judges include contest file , x send request x x judges toad com x x request contest descriptions limited 50 lines x exceed 2500 bytes typically request contest x include current description ioccc x x order included file given year , must x receive current description earlier jan 1 00 00 00 utc x later feb 15 00 00 00 utc agreement publish x contest must also obtained prior feb 15 annual contests x fail submit new entry dropped file x disclaimer \( pardon \) x x contents noted , ioccc , affiliated x ioccc , endorsed ioccc reserve x right refuse print information given contest x x information provided particular contest x organizer \( \) printed permission please contact x contest organizer \( \) directly regarding contents x official notice given , present enjoyment , following contents x x x x 10th international obfuscated c contest x x original obfuscated contest x x obfuscate tr v , , 1 render obscure x b darken 2 confuse emotions obfuscated x judgment , darken ob \( intensive \) x lat , darken , dark obfuscation n x adj x x goals contest x x write obscure obfuscated c program rules x show importance programming style , ironic way x stress c compilers unusual code x illustrate c language x provide safe forum poor c code \) x x ioccc grandfather usenet programming contests since x 1984 , contest demonstrated program works x correctly sufficient ioccc also done much add x arcane word back english language x \( see new hacker 's dictionary eric raymond \) x x strongly encouraged read new contest rules x sending entries rules , sometimes contest email x address , change time valid entry one year may x rejected later year due changes rules typical x start date contests early march contest rules normally x finalized posted beginning contest typical x closing date contests early may x x contest rules posted comp unix wizards , comp lang c , x misc misc , alt sources comp sources access x groups , missed early march posting , may x request copy judges , via email , x x judges toad com ! sun , uunet , utzoo , pyramid ! hoptoad ! judges x x previous contest winners available via anonymous ftp x ftp uu net directory pub ioccc x x x x international obfuscated perl contest x landon noll larry wall x x content planned someday landon larry x busy , actually get around posting first set rules ! x x landon says yes , know said would contest 1993 , x existing projects got way hopefully x something developed nov 1993 x x x x 2nd international obfuscated postscript contest x jonathan \( jgm cs brown edu \) x alena \( alena nikhef nl \) x x contest programming skills knowledge , exclusively x postscript programming language purpose x x spread knowledge postscript details x applaud best tricks x prove humans beat machine generators x game writing obscure mysterious postscript x programs ever x x winners receive fame attention goes x program entry posted winner programmers world wide x x 1993 contest rules results available ftp x cs brown edu pub postscript obfuscated , individually x obfuscated directory judges post 1994 rules x november comp lang postscript usenet , places x send questions jgm cs brown edu x x categories include best obfuscated postscript , best artwork , x compact , best interactive program , useful , x anything unusual creative deserves award x x judges choose winners category x x alena system administrator nikhef \( institute high x energy nuclear physics \) netherlands author x postscript chaos programs , draw julia sets , sets x kinds fractal functions x x jonathan graduate student mit brown university x u faq maintainer usenet newsgroup x comp lang postscript author postscript zone x x shar eof chmod 0444 obfuscate info echo restore obfuscate info failed set `wc c obfuscate wc c 1 test wc c ! 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ry01 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert yung \) subject long monitors last \? \? \? \? article ns1 1993apr5 organization lehigh university lines 21 well , vga 2 5 year old brand monitor bit bullet pressed power switch seconds later , power light went pop , 's two half years long would normal monitors last \? think problem monitor power switch image getting pretty dim anyway \( needed contrast way max \) screen flicker time time normal \( hehehe \) worst luck \? \? \? question \? \? \? \? buy new one \? get fixed \? save really good one get cheap ega monitor \? rather save money upgrade 386sx 486 66 though thanks ! engineers say extensive effort applied fresh approach problem really mean hired three new guys 'll let kick around \( robert \) bobby yung ry01 lehigh edu
jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 56 article 1993apr15 gordian com mike gordian com \( michael thomas \) writes article l95 news iastate edu , jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) writes article 1993apr15 021021 7538 gordian com mike gordian com \( michael thomas \) writes article c5huh1 241 news iastate edu , jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) writes really n't want waste time battle legalization drugs really want , get prove idiotic idea ! read know fuck i'm talking , eager make fool oh , foolish person know fuck i'm talking gladly demonstrate wish legalization drugs provide benefits highly taunted proponents safer , cheaper drugs along revenues taxes drugs reduced crime reduced organized crime specifically etc , etc would like prove clueless , get lot wasted posts n't think group intended something easily solved little research pragmatic standpoint , certainly justification vice people commit anyway shall alcohol \? legalization alcohol done making look bad damn easy vast social historical differences alcohol drugs make comparison worthless vice statutes serve make expensive rich dangerous poor , tim eloquently put people , however , shall government \( people \) decides vices detrimental society whole , pray tell , aids victim quotes \? revisionist sort thinks thing aids \? deserve \? overwhelmingly vast majority \( get point \) aids cases contracted thru behavioral choices said
sasghm theseus unx sas com \( gary merrill \) subject jiggers originator sasghm theseus unx sas com nntp posting host theseus unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 62 may world 's greatest expert chiggers \( type indigenous south \) , certainly spent lot time contemplating little buggers past six years \( since moved n c \) observations gained painful experience 1 reactions chiggers vary greatly person person people get tiny red bites others \( like \) sensitive get fairly large swollen sore like affairs 2 bites gift keeps giving swear things itch months 3 lot folklore chiggers think fiction tried research critters , since effect book could find subject single book unc 's special collections library yet gone required get 4 based experience family members , old folk remedy fingernail polish simply n't work recall reading theory upon based \( chiggers skin continue party \) false think likely reaction toxins sort little release speculation 5 best approach prevention couple things work well good insect repellent \( \) deep woods liberally applied , , etc good start another preparation called away combination sulfur kind cream \( cortisone \? \) originally prepared army commercially available summer put every morning get weekends since literally ca n't go outside live \( country \) without serious consequences \( apparently n't like sulfur much use sulfur dust body clothing repel \) 6 amount prevention completely successful forget fingernail polish finally settled upon treatment involves topical application combination cortisone \( reduces inflamation swelling \) \( itch \) wo n't tell things 've tried tell things wife since counts minor surgery best mentioned \( also think gains nothing \) 7 swelling also significantly relieved application hot packs , seems speed recovery well doctors seem care much chiggers urban suburban doctors apparently n't encounter much rural doctors seem regard force nature one must endure suspect anyone could come good treatment chiggers would make lot money gary h merrill principal systems developer , c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary , nc 27513 \( 919 \) 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com ! mcnc ! sas ! sasghm
ufr info p7 ibp fr \( \) subject pov previewer nntp posting host ufr info p7 ibp fr organization universite paris 7 ufr lines 10 actually trying write something like encounter problems , amongst drawing 3d wireframe view requires explicit equation \( x , , z functions parameters \) convert implicit equation used pov explicit one \? mathematically always possible \? n't enough math find , anybody heard useful books subject \?
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject alt atheism faq overview new readers summary hi please read post keywords faq , atheism expires thu , 20 may 1993 10 52 53 gmt distribution world organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk supersedes mantis co uk lines 145 archive name atheism overview alt atheism archive name overview last modified 5 april 1993 version 1 2 overview welcome alt atheism alt atheism moderated first series regular postings aimed new readers newsgroups many groups nature noticed new readers often come questions , mis statements misconceptions post net addition , people often request information posted time time order try cut , alt atheism groups series five regular postings following titles 1 alt atheism faq overview new readers 2 alt atheism faq introduction atheism 3 alt atheism faq frequently asked questions \( faq \) 4 alt atheism faq constructing logical argument 5 alt atheism faq atheist resources article number 1 please read numbers 2 3 posting others entirely optional new usenet , may also find helpful read newsgroup news announce newusers articles titled primer work usenet community , answers frequently asked questions usenet hints writing style usenet particularly relevant questions concerning news works best asked news newusers questions unable find articles listed , see finding stuff section credits files could written without assistance many readers alt atheism alt atheism moderated particular , 'd like thank following people cs cmu edu \( karl kluge \) perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) cc ncsu edu \( wayne aiken \) gdr bath ac uk \( toby kelsey \) cs hut fi \( jyrki \) geoff arnold east sun com \( geoff arnold \) sics se \( \) kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) quads uchicago edu \( greg \) arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) j5j psuvm psu edu \( john johnson \) dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) mayne open cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) ajr bigbird hri com \( andy rosen \) ira uka de \( \) unix1 tcd ie \( bryan \) lippard ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) rigel tamu edu \( baum \) phoenix princeton edu \( york h \) schroede sdsc edu \( wayne schroeder \) baldwin navy mil \( j baldwin \) unh edu \( dana \) dempsey kodak com \( richard c dempsey \) jmunch hertz , elee calpoly edu \( john david munch \) pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) rz mips ac \( richard zach \) math mit edu \( tim chow \) simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) countless others 've forgotten articles free truly free may copy distribute anyone wish however , please send changes corrections author , please post copies articles alt atheism nobody good multiple versions document floating around network finding stuff faq files somewhere news system suggestions ca n't find 1 check newsgroup alt atheism look subject lines starting alt atheism faq 2 check newsgroup news answers subject lines n't find anything steps 1 2 , news system n't set correctly , may wish tell system administrator problem 3 anonymous ftp access , connect rtfm mit edu 18 172 1 27 go directory pub usenet alt atheism , 'll find latest versions faq files ftp way copying files networked computers need help using getting started ftp , send e mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers ftp list faq body 4 sites also carry news answers postings article introduction news answers newsgroup carries list sites article posted regularly news answers 5 n't ftp , send mail mail server rtfm mit edu consisting following lines send usenet news answers finding sources send usenet alt atheism faq send usenet alt atheism introduction send usenet alt atheism logic send usenet alt atheism resources 5 \( resort \) send mail mail server mantis co uk consisting following lines send atheism faq faq txt send atheism faq logic txt send atheism faq intro txt send atheism faq resource txt poor overworked modems try send copy files 's stuff , interesting commands try help send atheism index 6 \( last resort \) mail mathew mantis co uk , post article newsgroup asking get faq files 've tried methods 've failed 's nice clutter newsgroup people 's mailboxes requests files 's better posting without reading faq , though ! instance , people whose email addresses get mangled transit n't ftp probably need assistance obtaining faq files mathew
flb flb optiplan fi \( f baube tm \) subject first spacewalk x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 13 one time speculation first spacewalk \( alexei \? \) staged fake evidence support contradict claim emerged \? claim perhaps another cold war hallucination \? fred baube \( tm \) times intellectual ferment , baube optiplan fi advantage intellect include disclaimer h fermented ! frank zappa \? may '68 , paris 's retrospective time ! !
matt ksu ksu edu \( \) subject booting b drive organization kansas state university lines 14 nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu djweisbe unix amherst edu \( david weisberger \) writes 5 1 4 drive drive make system boot 3 1 2 b drive \? \( optimally , computer would able boot either b , checking order bootable disk switch cables around simply switch drives ca n't boot 5 1 4 disks , 's ok also , boot b wo n't trick \) thanks , try get setup pressing ctrl alt ins ctrl alt pc 's give option set regarding drives boot
bentz uucp \( ray bentz \) subject sparc ipc sprite goes screen organization consulting inc lines 21 environment x11r4 motif 1 1 4 sun ipc 4 1 3 problem mouse moved across screen horizontally , sprite goes edge screen reappears edge appears server thinks running multi screen mode cursor seems wrap one side screen far tell , running server multi screen mode please reply via e mail ray bentz phone \( 609 \) 727 4600 consulting , inc fax \( 609 \) 778 1200 church street uunet uunet ! ! bentz mount laurel , nj internet ! bentz uunet uu net
shippert cco caltech edu \( tim shippert \) subject infield fly rule organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 25 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes one last infield fly question always puzzled n't yet addressed believe rule also deal situation however , infield fly caught , point runner legally leave base w fear doubled advancing early \? runner leave base time ball caught , 's got tag n't caught , n't tag , 's feeling lucky , runner second sprint glory soon ball popped n't caught , 's probably scored run , 's probably headed aaa effect infield fly make batter , thereby removing force runners base rules apply , standing second first open ball popped tim shippert shippert cco caltech edu going stick damned quantum jumping , regret ever anything quantum theory e
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject good grief ! \( candida albicans \? \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 29 reply aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) medicine totally scientific acquisition scientific knowledge completely scientific application knowledge individual cases may art science diseases n't described yet root cause many diseases described n't known \( read book gastroenterology sometime want see lot \) scientific methods run 's patient 's freedom choice try experimental method choose 's well recognized many doctors medicine n't answers certainly n't answers question , reliable means acquiring medical knowledge \? scientific method proven reliable reason alternative therapies physicians practitioners refuse submit theories rigorous scientific scrutiny , insisting tradition anecdotal evidence sufficient shown many times past unreliable ways acquiring reliable knowledge crook 's ideas never backed scientific evidence unwillingness good science makes rest us doubt veracity contentions david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
matmcinn nuscc nus sg \( matthew macintyre national university senegal \) subject gilligan 's island , den iniquity organization national university singapore x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 21 beb pt com \( bruce buck \) writes article 1993apr13 nuscc nus sg matmcinn nuscc nus sg \( matthew macintyre national university senegal \) writes gilligan skipper anger howell iii greed howell lust professor pride mary ann envy assorted monkeys secular humanism assorted godless , heathen russian agent looks like gilligan godless communism japanese godless barbarism walter godless bird \( bingo , , bongo , irving \) godless harold \( phil silvers \) hollywood john tonga , fake deceit , lust eva grubb deceit , lust
cue bc ca \( james macphail \) subject q700 34 5mhz , 's fine nntp posting host cue bc ca organization computer using educators b c , canada lines 15 article 1993apr13 informatik tu muenchen de menes informatik tu muenchen de \( rainer menes \) writes wonder nobody ever tried replace oscilator , like mac iisi q700 running 66 666 mhz osc months number scsi devices connected \( quantum , maxtor 213 , toshiba via adapter , pioneer 600 \) trouble using stock cooling facilities , considered adding fan heat pump , n't feel necessary \( box anyway \) temp meter order plan measurements arrives weeks email want see results james macphail cue bc ca \( bounce , try james phy queensu ca \)
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject seizures \( infantile spasms \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 19 reply dufault lftfld enet dec com \( md \) many metabolic tests , body structure tests , infection virus tests doctors still know quite type \( although alot evidence pointing infantile spasms \) stand right know , particular types disorders still really well understood medical community infantile spasms well understood quite time seeing pediatric neurologist , n't \? , strongly recommend new released called may particularly helpful infantile spasms learning seizures , ask doctor nurse local support group david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
bohr physics purdue edu \( van e \) subject sunrise sunset times organization purdue university physics department lines 29 article 1993apr22 titan tsd arlut utexas edu pearson tsd arlut utexas edu \( n pearson \) writes jpw cbis ece drexel edu \( joseph wetstein \) writes hello looking program \( algorithm \) used compute sunrise sunset times would mind posting responses get \? also interested , may others thanks , n pearson pearson titan tsd arlut utexas edu excellent software program called astro calc much latest address mmi corporation po box baltimore , md phone \( 301 \) 366 1222 van e maxwell physics purdue edu purdue university bitnet
d3e758 bucky pnl gov \( je pelkey \) subject multi screen apps window managers originator d3e758 bucky pnl gov organization battelle pacific n w labs lines 50 working project provide emergency management information system keeping classic command control type systems , considering developing dual screen monitor system order provide status board 's monitor number x level questions regarding \( unix systems using x motif platform predominantly sun 's , probably ports rs 6000 well \) assuming standard dual monitor systems configured talking one x display multiple screens , multiple x displays given changing input focus one screen simple tracking mouse one screen \? 's nothing special needs done shift focus screens \? run separate window managers separate screens window managers \? sells multi screen window manager way grab window frame move window one screen next \? way application see multiple screens one logical x plane , hardware provide screen start 0 , 0 \? thoughts difficulties involved designing system capable using either multiple screens single screen \( perhaps running virtual window manager simulate multiple screens instead \) \? assuming major issue rely providing config files specify configuration screen placement window application thoughts suggestions past experience welcome jo pelkey phone \( 509 \) 375 battelle pacific northwest labs fax \( 509 \) 375 mail stop k7 22 email je pelkey pnl gov p box 999 richland , wa
jek cu nih gov subject watt misquoted lines 30 heath athena cs uga edu \( terrance heath \) writes realize i'm entering discussion rather late , one question n't reagan appointee , james watt , pentacostal christian \( think \) secretary interior saw problem deforestation since living last days would last generation see redwoods anyway \? record february 5 , 1981 , house representatives interior committee meeting , rep james weaver \( , ore \) , asked watt whether agree save scenic resources children , \? watt 's answer absolutely delicate balance secretary interior must steward natural resources generation well future generations know many future generations count lord returns whatever , manage skill resources needed future generations source column evans robert novak op ed page washington post friday 21 august 1981 , james kiefer
yxy4145 ucs usl edu \( yu \) subject someone know news group ieee organization univ southwestern la , lafayette distribution usa lines 2 yxy4145 usl edu thanks lot
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject tapped , code good organization dsi uscrpac distribution na lines 43 article bu edu uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes wish could agree ask would private sector entity wish buy crypto system known least partially compromised \? \( key escrows instance \) would private sector entity wish buy crypto system properly evaluated \? \( e algorythm publically released \) answer seems obvious , would n't hardware compromised des example \( triple des better one \) follows opinion asserted truth flames , please comes background 20 years senior corporate staff executive two fortune 50 companies 'd happy use crypto system supplied nsa business , told secure des , particular resistant attempts japanese , french , competitive companies governments break 'd happy even escrowed keys , provided happy bona fides escrow agencies \( federal reserve would certainly satisfy , would something set one big 8 accounting firms \) 'd trust nsa president stated trap doors 'd even happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure 'd trust something nsa long 'd trust something swiss anybody japanese may seem surprising , suggest corporations would feel way many \( pick one \) corporations attitude nsa part government support government , one famous ceo put one day perspective another point view david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
wil shell portal com \( ville v walveranta \) subject joystick suggestions \? nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 12 i'm planning buying joystick \( first time since sold amiga five years ago \) pc idea kind stick buy many people recommended variety models good best \? willy ville v walveranta tel fax \( 510 \) 420 0729 96 linda ave , apt 5 finland 990 1 510 420 0729 oakland , ca \( faxes automatically recognized \) usa email wil shell portal com
bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) subject 'pill' deer hunting organization boeing commercial airplane group lines 37 iftccu talk politics guns jrm gnv ifas ufl edu 6 26 apr 14 , 1993 vast majority get life without ever , use display firearm suppose depends define majority correct ' somewhere 1 three one 10 period lives experience violent assault risk generally higher emergency medical problems like heart attack stroke probably loose term approximately 1 , 000 , 000 americans using firearms year , 30 year period get \( roughly , since may \) 30 million americans experience using firearms self defense 30 250 yields 12 percent population \( yes , know real rough estimate 're closer 270 million , many minors included etc , thus percentage anything low \) rate , minority groups range usually referred minorities , n't see part group referred majority little work might support majority americans never use , display firearm certainly talking ownership wrong nearly half fellow citizens one firearms besides , means self protection effective firearms please provide list means effective might convince local police departments switch good luck rick
rob mother bates edu \( rob \) subject 3m sale organization bates college , , lines 10 longer use quarter inch tape backups , case unopened sale 'll sell lot , boxes 5 tapes rob rob mother bates edu computing support services bates college
subject braves pitching updatedir grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) organization etc organization nntp posting host boucher harvard edu reply drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu 's message fri , 16 apr 1993 16 19 23 gmt lines 41 article murdoch acc virginia edu , david robert walker writes article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) writes one also separate offense batting baserunning , split probably somewhere around 49 5 0 5 'd give baserunning little credit , maybe 45 5 , even 40 10 give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats \( would n't unreasonable \) , even n't let roberto steal single base , 'll score lot oleruds going first third often \( offense , gordon \) would n't give baserunning much value effect clear , effects well olerud hits double , runner first score alomar legs extra base onto hit gap , runner first may need hold third thus olerud 's doubles advancement value alomar 's \( course , alomar likely score hitting double \) another reason give much extra value baserunning runs created formulas work fast slow teams team 1950 's ran much , teams certainly faster players others still , current runs created formulas work well 1950 's teams bill james gives 1955 1958 senators example used harmon regularly pinch runner , 1957 , stole 13 bases 38 times caught stealing yet scored slightly runs predicted runs created david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks
steveg cadkey com \( steve gallichio \) subject nhl team milwaukee organization cadkey , inc lines 38 nntp posting host access digex net charlie betz \( romulus cray com \) writes reading reports possible nhl moves milwaukee milwaukee nhl team , thought 'd pass along story heard recently second hand , n't know true , reason doubt either bradley center milwaukee home milwaukee admirals minor hockey team owner admirals \( sorry , ca n't remember name \) either owns least shelled majority funds build bradley center lloyd supposedly approached nhl expansion franchise , turned thought franchise fee 50 million high like said , n't know whether story true rumor , 's true , n't look nhl team milwaukee anytime soon admirals n't going forced building wo n't see nhl club minor league club building , especially since nba 's milwaukee bucks play well yes , true refused buy franchise nhl 50m time reason established market teams much less felt one would pay 50m expansion team , would simply wait buy existing franchise less market fooled , 5 teams created 50m apiece last three years , even existing teams ca n't moved less 50m doubt could get one little lost 'll pay sg
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject plus minus stat lines 28 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 brad gibson \( gibson nukta geop ubc ca \) wrote much text deleted plus minus misleading hockey stat available necessarily misleading , right , definitely needs taken proper perspective shining example look penguins individual , find makes common sense , since n't lose many games nhl publishes useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game measure quality \( e , player put key situations like protecting lead late game matched team 's top one two lines short handed , etc \) , would much rather see disappear altogether instead dubious merits trumpeted little understanding implications unfortunately , need keep ridiculous number stats really come statistic really shows player 's value let 's enjoy game \( like i'm , excuse ! \) tom huot huot cray com
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject important holly silva information organization stratus computer , inc lines 19 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article cae cad gatech edu , vincent cad gatech edu \( vincent fox \) writes separate post soc culture usa explicitly said cross posts p g sets follow ups , read talk politics guns think , 's clever way keeping respondents edit line , properly use follow heard also makes easier claim ever sees squeaky weasels want see analysis , e mail want point flaws public , make sure newsgroup line includes soc culture usa keep flooding c u , e mailed however , agree 's quite sneaky trick would expect , however cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
domain cbnewsf cb att com \( george hodge \) subject dayton hamfest summary dayton hamfest organization distribution usa lines 14 weeks ago , someone posted article telling hamfest going help dayton , oh unfortunately , lost article wondering someone could repost believe held 23 , 24 , 25 month dayton convention center i'm sure help details would greatly appreciated george hodge domain att com
vela acs oakland edu \( john \) subject top ten ways slick willie could improve standing americans organization oakland university , rochester mi lines 40 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu article newsserver technet sg ipser solomon technet sg \( ed ipser \) writes top ten ways slick willie could improve standing americans 10 institute national sales tax pay socialization america 's health care resources 9 declare war serbia draft 8 stimulate economy massive income transfers constituencies 7 appoint socialist like mario court 6 focus like laser beam gays military 5 put hillary charge ministry truth move stephanopoulos health care 4 balance budget taxation 3 remind everyone , , despite democrats holding presidency , majority seats house , senate , republicans still managed block tax spend programs 2 go back england get course european socialism snip number one way slick willie could improve standing americans \( drum roll anton \) 1 get appointment dr keep ! john k vela acs oakland edu
mje pookie pass wayne edu \( michael j edelman \) subject saturn 91 92 manual transmission problem organization wayne state university lines 17 distribution world reply mje pookie pass wayne edu nntp posting host pookie pass wayne edu article crdnns crd ge com , utica ge com writes many trips dealer , admittedly patient , admittedly going nothing dealer however follow bulletin review proper procedures owner next attempt satisfaction customer 800 number first round n't sound hopeful i'm surprised know local case guy took saturn back five times complain n't properly eliminated rattling noise saturn gave new car call 1 800 number
sanjay kin lap upenn edu \( sanjay sinha \) subject new motorcycles organization university pennsylvania , language analysis center lines 18 nntp posting host kin lap upenn edu article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes curtis jackson pens msf course 140 ! one costs 35 ! \( deal \? ! \) free philadelphia \) '81 cb650 dod would give right arm !
stark dwovax enet dec com \( todd stark \) subject ocd summary 's highlights dsm organization digital equipment corporation lines 45 nntp posting host dwovax article news hawaii edu , hawaii edu \( \) writes recently heard mental disorder called obsessive compulsive disorder \? causes \? could caused nervous breakdown \? compulsive disorder \( confused obsessive compulsive personality disorder ! \) acute anxiety disorder characterized either \( persistent intrusive thoughts cause anxiety entertained \) , compulsions \( repetitive , actions similarly cause intense psychological discomfort resisted \) ocd often associated certain forms depression examples obsessive thoughts repeated impulses kill loved one \( though accompanied anger \) , religious person recurrent blasphemous thoughts generally , individual attempts ignore suppress intrusive thoughts engaging activities individual realizes thoughts originate mind , rather external source examples compulsive actions constant repetitive hand washing , activity realistically related source anxiety ocd , compulsions highly distressing individual , take hour per day , significantly impair daily routine social relationships treatments include , behavioral methods , sometimes certain anti depressants recently found effective compulsions standard diagnostic code ocd , want look dsm iii manual psychiatric diagnosis 300 30 kind regards , todd todd stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation \( 215 \) 354 philadelphia , pa usa \( word \) skin living thought wendell holmes , jr
random access digex com \( random \) subject scott erickson organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 3 distribution usa nntp posting host access digex net anyone scoop scot erickson \? long going \?
adrian ora com \( adrian nye \) subject imake book review organization o'reilly associates , inc lines 12 reply adrian ora com nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu thanks many offers review book received review copy , please return soon possible system crash lost list people sent ! thanks adrian nye o'reilly associates adrian ora com
cs89mcd brunel ac uk \( michael c davis \) subject love europe organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk lines 4 readers r c going love europe congress germany july \? michael davis \( cs89mcd brunel ac uk \)
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 24 article magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes last year us suffered almost 10 , 000 wrongful accidental deaths handguns alone \( fbi statistics \) year , uk suffered 35 deaths \( scotland yard statistics \) population uk 1 5 us \( 10 , 000 \( 35 5 \) \) weighted population , us 57x many handgun related deaths uk , , brits n't make murdering 57x many people baseball bats examine figures , stabbing favourite , closely followed striking , punching , kicking many people burnt death britain shot death take look 'll see means people shot death great britain i'm sure great comfort children stabbed , beaten burned death real question , crime rate england go , enacted gun control laws \? look rates first law 1920 , see effect frank crary cu boulder
dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) subject request support organization software engineering institute lines 35 request would like see charley wingate respond charley challenges \( judging e mail , appear quite \) clear mr wingate intends continue post unrelated articles challenges last two postings challenges , noted perhaps dozen posts mr wingate , none answered single challenge seems mr wingate hopes questions go away , level best change subject given seems rather common net theist tactic , would like suggest impress upon desire answers , following manner 1 ignore future articles mr wingate address challenges , answers announces refuses 2 must respond one articles , include within something similar following please answer questions posed charley challenges really , i'm looking anyone , want honest answers would n't think honesty would much ask devout christian , would \? nevermind , rhetorical question dave wood
eric thomas mindlink bc ca \( eric thomas \) subject 1962 organization mind link ! british columbia , canada lines 4 bought 1962 bird would like info club around b c coast eric thomas
kehoe netcom com \( thomas david kehoe \) subject starters work really keywords fluorescent bulb starter neon organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 35 turn power , causes bulb work like neon , imprecise description 1 ignores role ballast , 2 heating effects starter strip cools immediately contacts 've thinking sending mad magazine idea parody , books entitled things work engineers buy sons , explain engines , , lights , etc work parody would things really work canned food , left page 'd see description things work gleaming stainless steel equipment food precisely right temperature , sealing oxygen free environment , etc right page 'd see things really work brain dead workers sending disgusting food gleaming equipment vegetables , parts animals people n't eat , barrels sugar chemicals 'd see \( left \) computer geniuses working algorithms x number people waiting get z floors shortest time right , 'd see elevator controllers behind one way mirror lobby choosing people appear biggest hurry making wait longest thoughts , , another 's martin , hanged witchcraft , thomas david kehoe kehoe netcom com \( 408 \) 354
bca ece cmu edu \( brian c anderson \) subject binary files terminal unix originator bca packard ece cmu edu keywords terminal , kermit , unix lines 15 reply bca ece cmu edu \( brian c anderson \) organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon distribution cmu i'm attempting transfer files home computer running windows 3 1 terminal workstation school file transfer protocol home kermit binary files i'm running kermit workstation school setting file transfer protocol binary unable upload files school download files school home download , terminal displays ther message several times message ' verify 're using correct anyone ideas fix \? either e mail post group thanks , advance , brian anderson go pens make 14 row
organization arizona state university james cassidy asuacad bitnet subject norton desktop vs norton util 's ep lines 22 purchased norton desktop windows , also norton utilities installed ndw , wanted rem line installed ep \( ep \) command invoke image utility replaced image command new image command invokes version image came ndw makes sense , presumably image version ndw newer one nu , however , install autoexec two questions 1 nu use image data saved newer version image invoked e two version image compatable \? 2 erase protect use info , vice versa \? use dos windows , want make sure erase files either environment , going protected experiments run , two programs \( erase protect smart erase \) n't use others info currently ep loading within autoexec , n't see conflicts fyi norton desktop windows version 2 2 norton util 's version 6 thanks help
umcc umcc umich edu \( charles \) subject leading edge computer buy \? organization umcc , ann arbor , mi lines 49 nntp posting host umcc umcc umich edu article 1993apr18 cronkite ocis temple edu astro ocis temple edu \( \) writes saw following computer store wanted know good computer someone see something wrong also would like stuff deleted leading edge model intel 486sx 25 mhz cpu supports intel overdrive clock doubling processors \( \? \) upgradable 486dx2 66 4 mb ram upgradable 32 mb 8 kb internal cache 1 2 mb 5 1 4 1 44 mb 3 5 disk drives 213 mb hard drive 1024 x 768 vga video resolution 1 mb video ram 256 colors 6 available 16 bit isa expansion slots one local bus socket \( 16 bit isa compatible \) 4 5 25 drive bays , 3 external one 25 pin centronics type parallel port 2 rs serial ports \( 9 25 pin \) one 15 pin analog video connector one ps 2 compatible mouse port 200 watt power supply 101 key keyboard mouse included software includes windows 3 1 , dos 5 0 , microsoft works windows store wants 1200 \( without monitor \) good price \? thanks ! recently bought leading edge 33 mini tower case everything works fine leading edge seems decent brand would tend say decent deal things might want wary l e computer back plane mounted motherboard ie motherboard card plugged people n't like configurations second thing whoever set computer factory n't really know installed windows video driver n't even take advantage svga card monitor look forward configuring system optimally anyone coat \? brain umcc ais org , would revered charles worshipped like would deserve \? ph ask want
foxfire access digex com \( foxfire \) subject sega cd forsale organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 35 nntp posting host access digex net ok folks need money purchase video game backup unit , decided let go sega cd unit heres deal sega genesis cd rom unit sega cd games regular cd 's cd g 's \( cd 's w graphics \) comes w 5 cd 's \( pack ins \) sega 's hot hits \( regular cd w music \) rock paintings \( cd g music w graphics like \) sol \( shooter \) sherlock holmes \( mystery \) clue book , docs sega classics \( streets rage , revenge , columns , golden axe \) docs box documents \( cd unit \) included games comes w documentation unless otherwise specified games cobra command \( docs water \) road avenger 2 weeks old ! ! night trap \( docs \) games come w documentation unless otherwise specified im going sell highest bidder 4 30 93 would like start 250 00 trade genesis snes video backup unit would like bid make offer , drop mail keep everone informed current bids foxfire foxfire access digex com
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject sda doctrinal organization walla walla college lines 15 article mar 17 02 04 45 1993 athos rutgers edu jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) writes book provided sda entitled seventh day adventist church believes , something like basic coverage 30 ideas sda 's hold info , please write later \( get actual title copyright date \) chan , amber ucs indiana edu , first introduced book \( must also add member sda anymore \) book called 27 basic fundamental beliefs something close number 27 , 30 copy home \( i'm away school \) tammy
wgs1 isis msstate edu \( walter g seefeld \) subject microsoft dos 6 0 upgrade sale nntp posting host isis msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 22 article com com \( andrew hall \) writes article unx sas com maxwell unx sas com \( joe \) writes yuanchie eve usc edu \( yuan hsu \) writes ms dos 6 0 upgrade sale best offer 45 \( opened , unregistered \) gee , copy pc magazine states upgrade 49 99 , across street , sells 47 49 i'm going way work compusa 38 xx , boston sell 33 including shipping walter g seefeld dawn 's early light , 940 n jackson st 1a know right , starkville , ms 39759 're going reap sown n5qxr jackson brown
rnichols cbnewsg cb att com \( robert k nichols \) subject permanaent swap file dos 6 0 summary factor organization lines 50 article hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu \( james dean \) writes swap files i'm sure everyone uncompressed part compressed hard disk seen message selected swap file greater suggested size windows use size suggested wa n't create swap file anyway something like well , friend mine \( robert \) called microsoft asked said windows checks amount free disk space divides number 2 checks largest contiguous block free disk space windows suggests smaller two numbers also said absolutely circumstances none ! windows uses swap file larger suggested size well 's said ! call bull true windows report memory available 's going use \? think support confused disk space limit virtual address space limit far disk concerned , limited amount contiguous free space limit causes message , windows use , amount virtual address space virtual memory manager create , function amount free memory windows starts 386enh section system ini , specify parameter multiplier following description windows resource kit entry specifies multiplier determines amount linear address space create system , computed rounding amount available physical memory nearest 4 mb value value specified increasing value increases amount available linear address space , causing size data structures increase also increases paging activity proportionately slow system specify value 1 20 default 4 change entry , must edit system ini bob nichols bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com
akhiani ricks enet dec com \( akhiani \) subject recommendations removable storage media wanted lines 25 nntp posting host ricks reply akhiani ricks enet dec com \( akhiani \) organization digital equipment corporation x newsreader 6 18 2 article 1993apr14 kth se write used bernoulli 's , recommend bernoulli 's \( although popular \) much slower , prone cartridge friends \? buy friends , buy 128 mb optical stop bought bernoulli drive last year comparing lots diffrent storage solutions , optical drives slow , slow compared 13 access bernoulli since needed online storage \( rather backup e disk \) , bernoulli drive use adobe quicktime movies alot ran storage real fast imho , best buy currently bernoulli per cartridge akhiani turning ideas reality digital equipment corporation alpha , new beginning 77 reed rd hudson , rights reserved copyright \( c \) 1993 email akhiani ricks enet dec com words mine , employer
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject nords 3 habs 2 robbed ! ! nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 66 article 18apr93 vm1 mcgill ca jbe5 jbe5 musicb mcgill ca writes aargh ! paul stewart worst biased ref presently nhl called total 4 penalties habs one nordiques penalty came stewart , ex nordique , looking call penalties habs letting nords get away murder robbed ! ! ! ! patrick roy reason game lost , ron hextall reason quebec everybody said would come goaltending , goaltending key , etc etc well , key n't quite fit 're montreal dionne penalty kind cheesy call , let 's face literally left feet throw elbow blaming stewart excuse avoid facing fact roy allowed one worst goals could possibly allow even saw whole shot , dammit besides , stewart things bit calling quebec penalty ot montreal played solid game \( although still n't know clear traffic front net loss schneider hurt even \) normally would say team blows 2 goal lead less five , let alone two , minutes go regulation time playoff game especially needs smacked upside collective heads n't think team loss \( although keane able clear zone prior first quebec goal \) roy paid big money play looked like player industrial league sakic 's shot demers start racicot next game , let damn team read papers next day two maybe article , possible patrick roy collapsed letting tieing goal shaky knees rest night winning goal n't gone n't think wrap around bad second goal also n't think scott young gotten around defender \( ca n't remember \) first place correct , n't gone regardless oh well , least bruins lost also ha , ha ! ! \) yep moog looked bad mogilny 's goal five seconds left second , imo neely though \? holy shit , player speaking great players , man oh man quebec skate n't seen team potent rush long time watching break zone , especially sundin , treat watch remind red army still hate team rest games n't st winning goal come powerplay \? penalties cost chicago dearly , especially detroit goes calgary , marty waving guys bench avoid fights , know something 's new jersey , terreri 's notwithstanding mario unbelievable , jagr reason shows playoffs hate team anyway dchhabra stpl ists ca \( pissed habs fan \)
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject pgp ideas ibm systems lines 7 've thinking difficult would make pgp available form ebcdic machines n't encourage let ebcdic machines die honorable death \) g
subject xv ms dos \? ! \? e mail address eicn etna ch organization eicn , switzerland lines 24 hi recently found xv ms dos subdirectory gnu cc \( \) use frequently xv sun spark station 1 never problems , start computer h option , display help menu start gif file hard disk turns 2 3 seconds prompt come back computer little 386 25 copro , 4 mega rams , tseng 4000 \( 1m \) running ms dos 5 0 himem sys emm386 sys go32 exe driver run know solution run xv \? \? \? help would thanx advance ! ! ! ! pascal perret perret eicn etna ch ecole ets \( available time \) 2400 le ! ! ! ! enjoy computer ! ! ! !
med unc edu \( skinner ph \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) nntp posting host med unc edu organization unc ch school medicine lines 33 article 1993apr23 cti com rlister cti com \( russell lister \) writes ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) writes microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? microsoft think everyone \? venting steam ! problem first , thought video driver made sure current drivers , problem evident svga resolution modes n't help bit experimentation , determined problem existed standard vga resolution mode much less noticeable mouse older ms serial version bought second hand 1990 worked fine dos dos based graphic applications guess problem resolution mouse , borrowed new mouse \( ms bus model \) tried solved problem , mouse old , may want try replacing newer one another alternative clean mouse 've got sometimes rollers inside mouse pick ball lint debris open bottom mouse , take ball use alcohol q tip clean inspect inside hairs mouse get real jumpy cleared problem procedure
bob natasha portal com \( bob cain \) subject pgp , pem , rfc 's \( cryptography patents \) organization oce graphics usa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 lines 22 charles kincy \( ckincy cs umr edu \) wrote article 1993apr16 natasha portal com bob natasha portal com \( bob cain \) writes hope cynicism misplaced go ahead i'm afraid wrong every , uneasy feeling right \( wrong yet emotionally state bunch crap fact tiny disclaimer end check facts first grow strong correlation interest cryptography immaturity wonder oh , see , flame someone , tell immature , tell wrong , n't offer proof assertions really putz put shut provide proof wish private name , dickhead putz cain
18669 bach udel edu \( steven r hoskins \) subject questions new christian organization university delaware lines 40 hi , new newsgroup , also fairly new christianity raised spent better part life agnostic , recently developed firm conviction christian message correct accepted jesus life happy , realize ignorant much bible quite possibly christians hold true trying rectify \( reading bible course \) , would helpful also read good interpretation commentary bible relevant aspects christian faith one questions would like ask anyone recommend good reading list theological works intended lay person \? another question would like ask yet affiliated one congregation aside matters taste , criteria one use choosing church \? n't really know difference various protestant denominations thanks reading post sincerely , steve hoskins aside commentary , might also want consider introduction books intended use undergraduate bible courses give historical background , discussion literary styles , etc generally good reading typically recommend kee , young 's nt introduction also good one volume commentaries often background articles helpful probably best recommendation days would harper 's bible commentary \( think may couple books title fairly recent one , like 1990 , done cooperation society biblical criticism \) committed inerrancy , probably prefer something conservative n't read lot conservative books , commentary looked donald guthrie looked rather good nt introduction , 's also editor 's bible commentary clh
mhsu lonestar utsa edu \( melinda hsu \) subject arrogance christians organization university texas san antonio lines 74 'd like share thoughts topic arrogance christians look forward responses encounters christians , find dismayed belief faith total truth according , beliefs come bible bible word god god truth thus know truth stance makes difficult discuss faiths christianity see way way ' see faith arising willful choice believe particular way choice part faith part reason , seems choice discussions christians remind discussions grade school kid would say , policemen jerks ! 'd ask , know \? daddy told ! know 're daddy right \? says 's always right ! well argument usually stops right end , n't kids , groping truth \? , authority declare beliefs besides false \? third time browsing newsgroup apologize i'm covering tired old ground discussions topic interest welcome comments louis j kim ph 512 522 southwest research institute , ' fax 512 522 post office drawer swri edu san antonio , tx compuserve com i'm sort mystified christian might respond understand criticisms christianity say 's enough evidence believe , 's good evidence religions n't agree , clearly plenty intelligent people n't find evidence convincing n't seem point rather , seem upset people believe christianity true also believe things contradict false suggests model spiritual things 's rather different christian one sounds like view , people choose value follow , 's actual independent spiritual reality , way say specific choice unique sense right sort model modifications one sort another may appropriate religions christianity historical religion , 's based concept actual spiritual entities , one intervened history specific ways , see evidence history mundane world , free choose things work drop something , falls \( aside well defined situations n't \) christian concept spiritual matters , also actual external reality hope 're honest enough claim perfect understanding may think know everything , confident know things implies think things contradict false n't see else could proceed need n't result arrogance i'm certainly interested talking people religions may things teach , even n't , respect fellow human beings 's got possible respect people also think matters wrong maybe even wrong clh
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject x soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 61 article panix com panix com \( michael \) writes maybe availability anon servers people beginning speak \? sure hope , unspeakable crimes armenians must armenian invaders burned sacked fatherland urartus , massacred exterminated population presented world left urartus , armenian civilization reliable western historians describe armenians ruthlessly exterminated 2 5 million muslim women , children elderly people eastern anatolia collaborated enemies ottoman empire 1914 1920 unfortunately truth armenians known collaborators nazis world war ii , even today , criminal nazi members asala sdpa arf terrorism triangle preach instigate racism , hatred , violence terrorism among peoples x soviet armenia continues anti turkish policy following ways 1 x soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide order shift international public opinion away political responsibility 2 x soviet armenia , employing asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle criminal nazi armenians , attempts call question veracity turkish genocide 3 x soviet armenia also implemented state sponsored terrorism asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle attempt silence turkish people 's vehement demands protests 4 using human , financial , governmental resources , x soviet armenia tools united states attempt silence terrorism , bribery subversive methods , non turkish supporters turkish cause , political , governmental humanitarian using aforementioned methods , x soviet armenian government attempting neutralize international diplomatic community making turkish case contemporary issue yet despite efforts x soviet armenian government terrorist revisionist organizations , last decades , thanks struggle whose closest ones systematically exterminated armenians , international wall silence issue begun collapse , consequently number governments organizations become supportive recognition turkish genocide serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
bill paxton fourd com subject argic organization 4th dimension bbs lines 7 nntp posting host cs utexas edu one question \? get retarded \? system fourd com phone 617 494 0565 cute quote computer means never say 're sorry
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject apple give us confusing message \? reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 56 ubs carson u washington edu \( university bookstore \) writes bunt0003 student tc umn edu \( monthian buntan 1 \) writes anyone know apple ambiguous message c650 regarding fpu \? mac price lists 've seen , every c650 message fpu optional know 've discussed newsgroup c650 fpu built except 4 80 configuration would unclear issue price list \? think mostly fault people write literature price lists confused since two possible processor configurations one n't fpu seem option , even though really n't i'm planning buy c650 8 230 cd pretty soon , i'm getting confused whether comes fpu well , allow end confusion c650 come lc040 base 4 80 configuration getting configuration getting fpu say optional 's built \? good question wondering since feb 10th get centris 650 cd configuration , getting mac 68rc040 processor built math coprocessor support understanding optional fpu refers option purchasing centris 650 4 80 without fpu one configurations fpu possible , option something supposed able request want apple done given buyer choice configurations option apple offer upgrade non fpu system become fpu system , unclear whether '040 processor non fpu system \( 68lc040 \) replaced 68rc040 supplied another vendor unclear fact apple included roms machines code recognize presence full 040 's fpu use thereby making upgrade easy switching chips pop lc040 pop full '040 apple send memo one point centris 610 , comes non fpu 68lc040 processor cannot upgraded support fpu pin configurations two chips apparently match cannot swap one another \( , according apple 's memo \) \? think would double check stated countless times newsgroup two centris hardware designers lc040 full '040 pin compatible c610 upgraded full '040 hades
astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) subject anti zionism racism organization nysernet , inc lines 14 b8ha000 b8ha musicb mcgill ca writes syria 's expansion , author writes un thought zionism racism wrong correct first time , zionism racism thankfully , mcgill daily \( student newspaper mcgill \) proud enough print article saying want copy , send mail steve felt important add four letters steve left subject header alan h stein astein israel nysernet org
acollins uclink berkeley edu \( andy collins \) subject voltage regulation current limiting organization university california , berkeley lines 37 nntp posting host uclink berkeley edu summary need help ! ! ! one quick question throw guys class project , need design build power supply following specs adjustable 1 12v current limited 1a voltage must stay within 2 designated value 0 1a ac ripple less 5 mv \( rms \) course , ca n't use adjustable voltage , current limiting regulator chip \) problem current limiting \( e 've found stuff rest parts circuit \) supply must , presented load would draw 1a , given supply voltage , reduce voltage current equal one amp thus , short thing , read one amp measure current 1 ohm resistor 12v , read one amp \( output voltage , necessity , must 1v basic idea seen current limiter involves circuit pull current base output power transistor , therefore reduce output , anybody ideas could work \? thanks advance andy collins , acollins uclink berkeley edu ps anybody wants flame stupid project , agree fully , still , graded \)
cs89mcd brunel ac uk \( michael c davis \) subject two people married god 's eyes \? organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk lines 62 robert anderson \( randerso acad1 sahs uth tmc edu \) wrote would like get opinions exactly engaged couple become married god 's eyes \? say two publically announced plans marry , made vows god , unswervingly committed one another \( realize subjective qualifier \) married joined god 's sight way read scripture , couple becomes married physically married , e first sexual intercourse e g end genesis 2 \( quoted memory \) reason , man shall leave parents joined wife , become one \( jesus also quotes scripture referring marriage \) read genesis particular , often come across `` man lay woman , became implies became wife lay together , e point intercourse compare jewish tradition joseph , heard mary pregnant , mind divorce quietly mary joseph betrothed , married e , binding relationship \( required divorce get \) , marriage would occur mary joseph went bed together compare christ church \( ephesians 5 , revelation 19 \) church described christ , marriage lamb takes place jesus returns e , binding love relationship jesus , still looking forward time marriage take place see spiritual equivalent sexual intercourse , represents intimate fellowship possible man god summary , engagement honoured binding relationship , marriage civil ceremony marriage either marriage occurs point betrothed couple go bed together \( n't mean civil church ceremony great ! n't mean \) historically , think correct stating civil ceremony \( e marriage recognised state \) , around west since napoleon , introduced keep tabs people \( although i'm ready corrected point ! \) view obviously raises questions sex one partners , without considering marriage people also \? true marriage occurs point intercourse , necessary married eyes state \? \( would say yes , honours laws nations west although illegal sleep together though western countries , believe god honouring proclaim marriage state friends actually marriage salt light , also people perceive us e culturally insensitive declare married without going civil ceremony \) michael davis \( cs89mcd brunel ac uk \) hast thou slain \? come arms , beamish boy !
organization esoc european space operations centre esoc bitnet subject apollo training iceland distribution sci lines 10 apollo astronauts also trained \( \) meteor crater area \( arizona \) museum space shop caution ease 6 compared ksc visit 's worth disclaimer mbp software systems gmbh c esa esoc stb neither esa mbp responsible darmstadt , germany postings ! esoc bitnet
andrew calvin dgbt doc ca \( andrew patrick \) subject interest mailing list epilepsy seizures \? nntp posting host calvin dgbt doc ca organization communications research centre , ottawa , canada lines 36 seen fair bit traffic recently concerning epilepsy seizures also interested subject son epilepsy active local association posted message like months ago received replies , anyone interested participating mailing list epilepsy seizures \? would allow us hold discussions share information via electronic mail already run listserver two groups , mechanics would easy interested , mail note get enough replies , make happen provide details btw , also started database epilepsy part research natural language question answering systems users service able ask questions epilepsy program searches database best response technology works comparing question set questions seen new questions answered recorded used improve system database still small sparse , adding new information try , following telnet debra dgbt doc ca login chat select epilepsy item menu databases andrew patrick , ph communications research centre , ottawa , canada andrew calvin dgbt doc ca good time , run telnet debra dgbt doc ca login chat
slegge kean ucs mun ca subject nhl team captains lines 12 organization memorial university st john 's nfld , canada nj , subject , captain ever traded , nj resigned , striped title season \? nj team captain trivia would appreciated mike foligno captain buffalo sabres traded toronto stephen legge slegge kean ucs mun ca
g r price cm cf ac uk \( thats fact \) subject sax organization university wales college cardiff , cardiff , wales , uk lines 5 news steve 's status since lost starting job would appreciated thanks gwyn
cantrell sauron msfc nasa gov \( eric cantrell \) subject eeg kit \? nntp posting host sauron msfc nasa gov organization nasa msfc x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 lines 9 awhile back someone posted information get kits build eeg anyone remember could get i'm interested getting info thanks advance eric cantrell sauron msfc nasa
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject systematic genocide muslim population armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 226 article 1993apr5 massey ac nz massey ac nz \( c k black \) writes mr furr , sensible says many mutlus dance head pin \? lo behold , invokes mr 666 net , beloved serdar , program designed seek words sentence gets automated reply must rave \? fascist x soviet armenian government engaged disgusting cowardly massacres azeri women children really sorry fact bothers mutlu \? , exciting first discuss literature tastes , fantasies , choices entertainment considered turning tv leaving us n't brain dead continue discuss genocide 2 5 million muslim people x soviet armenian government \? etc etc etc ridicule , take \? still addressing original points made joel , n't mate ! i'm poor plant scientist , n't know make files key works overtime seems problem \? ever read newspaper \? painful search gruesome extent february 's killings azeris armenians town hojali last emerging azerbaijan 600 men , women children dead worst outrage four year war nagorny karabakh figure drawn azeri investigators , hojali officials casualty lists published baku press diplomats aid workers say death toll line estimates 25 february attack hojali armenian forces one last moves four year campaign take full control nagorny karabakh , subject new round negotiations rome monday bloodshed something fighting retreat massacre , investigators say dead civilians awful number people killed first suppressed fearful former communist government baku later blurred armenian denials grief stricken azerbaijan 's wild contradictory allegations 2 , 000 dead state , rasulov , cheif investigator 15 man team looking azerbaijan calls hojali disaster , said figure 600 people dead minimum preliminary findings similar estimate given elman memmedov , mayor hojali even higher one printed baku newspaper ordu may 479 dead people named 200 bodies reported unidentified figure nearly 700 dead quoted official leila , new spokeswoman azeri ministry defence francois zen ruffinen , head delegation international red cross baku , said muslim imam nearby city agdam reported figure 580 bodies received mosque hojali , civilians count bodies figure seems reasonable fantasy , mr zen ruffinen said idea since gave body bags products wash dead mr rasulov give estimate number dead massacre n't get worked take several months get final figure , 43 year old lawyer said small office mr rasulov knows things took two years reach firm conclusion 131 people killed 714 wounded soviet troops tanks crushed nationalist uprising baku january 1990 nationalists , popular front , finally came power three weeks ago applying pressure find exactly happened hojali , azeri town lies 70 miles border armenia , fell armenians officially , 184 people far certified dead , number people could medically examined republic 's forensic department small percentage dead , said rafiq youssifov , republic 's chief forensic scientist bodies brought us remember chaos fact muslims wash bury dead within 24 hours 184 people , 51 women , 13 children 14 years old gunshots killed 151 people , shrapnel killed 20 axes blunt instruments killed 10 exposure highland snows killed last three thirty three people showed signs deliberate mutilation , including ears , noses , breasts cut eyes gouged , according professor youssifov 's report 184 bodies examined less third believed killed , mr rasulov said files mr rasulov 's investigative commission still lists 44 azeri militiamen dead , six policemen , handwriting mosque attendant , names 111 corpses brought washed one day account 850 witnesses interviewed far comes towfiq manafov , azeri investigator took helicopter flight escape route hojali 27 february many bodies dead wounded ground count properly 470 500 hojali , 650 700 people stream road 85 100 visible around nakhchivanik village , mr manafov wrote statement helicopter pilot people waved us help saw three dead children one two year old alive one dead woman live one pulling arm mother get tried land armenians started helicopter return lists figures circulation political last months fact nobody knows exactly hojali time many inhabitants displaced villages taken armenian forces independent , london , 12 6 '92 heroes fought amid bodies sadikov sat quietly shade cafe bar caspian sea baku showed line stitches trousers , torn armenian bullet fled town hojali three months ago , writes hugh pope i'm still wearing clothes , n't others , 51 year old carpenter said , beginning account hojali disaster wounded five places , lucky alive mr sadikov wife short food , without electricity month , cut helicopter flights 12 days sensed armenian noose tightening around 2 , 000 3 , 000 people left azeri town edge karabakh bombardment started never heard , eight nine kinds weapons , artillery , heavy machine guns , lot , mr sadikov said soon neighbours pouring street direction attack huddled shelters others started fleeing town , hill , stream snow forest side escape , reach azeri town agdam 15 miles away thought going make , dawn reached bottleneck two armenian villages nakhchivanik none group hurt spotted car road , armenian outposts started opening fire , mr sadikov said azeri militiamen fighting way hojali rushed forward force open corridor civilians , efforts mostly vain mr sadikov said 10 people group 80 made , including wife son seven immediate relations died , including 67 year old elder brother time reach cover face hat , said , pulling big flat turkish cap eyes never got bodies back first groups lucky benefit covering fire one hero evacuation , , shot dead struggled change magazine covering third group 's crossing , mr sadikov said another hero , elman memmedov , mayor hojali , said several others spent whole day 26 february hillside , surrounded dead bodies tried keep three armenian armoured personnel carriers bay survivors staggered last mile agdam , little comfort town population soon flee night reached town big armenian rocket attack people kept going , mr sadikov said get hospital treatment bad way even found bullet sock victims war azeri woman son , killed hojali massacre february \( left \) nurses struggle primitive conditions \( centre \) save wounded man makeshift operating theatre set train carriage grief stricken relatives town agdam \( right \) weep coffin another massacre victims calculating final death toll complicated muslims bury dead within 24 hours photographs liu ap reuter independent , london , 12 6 '92 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
rhorwell crab network \( roland , crab \) subject dumbest automotive concepts tim reply rhorwell atc boeing com organization boeing computer services lines 19 article idaho amdahl com , idaho amdahl com \( bob smith \) writes article 1993apr7 cas org , cas org \( \) writes imho , dumbest thing ever copying japanese moving dimmer switch floor lever controlling turn signal cruise control warmer , etc well , 1973 porsche dimmer turn signal stalk guess dumb germans copying japanese \) rest deleted mention friend 's citroen traction avant light switch dimmer integrated single stalk steering column ! dumb french apparently copying japanese germans ! \) roland
backon vms huji ac il subject diet crohn 's \( ibd \) distribution usa , world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines 52 article 1993apr22 1 vms ocom okstate edu , banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu , jge cs unc edu \( john eyles \) writes friend apparently fairly minor case crohn 's disease ca n't seem eat certain foods , fresh vegetables , without discomfort , course wants avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn 's disease \? \( saw suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea turmeric \) thanks advance , john eyles friend really find registered dietician \( rd \) work hospitals clinics , many major cities rd 's private practice speak many physicans refer patients crohn 's disease rd 's dietary help get friend 's physician make referral , medical insurance pay rd 's services like services physical therapist better medical insurance plans cover even friend 's plan n't , would well worth cost get good diet control intestinal discomfort help intestinal lining heal crohn 's disease inflammatory disease intestinal lining lipoxygenase inhibitors may help decreasing formation i'm aware tea turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors medline search turmeric 'll see potent lipoxygenase inhibitor investigated number areas i'm cardiology 4 years ago surgery lab hospital compared effect dissolved turmeric vs 2000 tpa preventing injury sheep heart turmeric effective \) colleague mine school pharmacy \( dr ron \) paper press free radical activity activity tea josh backon vms huji ac il bad inflammation , steroids used mild case , side effects worth small benefit gained steroid use developing new lipoxygenase inhibitor greatly help deal inflammatory diseases 's available yet marty b
lwb cs utexas edu \( lance w bledsoe \) subject threatening gun owners organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 47 nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu article blue cis pitt edu cislabs pitt edu \( gary \) writes hello , i'm writing story future gun control points would welcome opinion 's wonderful resource like newsgroup take advantage thank advance feedback ! 1 believe serious threats gun owners future \? government liberals batf , fbi , dea , etc \( see 1 \) 2 concerned 2nd ammendment could apply armed forces , barring civilians owning arms kind \? well contributions taxes abortion elimination fetal tissue clinton president spouse could happen 3 control types arms people would allowed buy , types would feel compelled restrict military uses \( ie , , grenade , atomic bomb , etc \) hydrogen bomb , perhaps 4 would describe hci gun control activists determined make illegal civilian use firearm \? yep 5 personally read brady bill entirety \? yep thank , gary lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu \( 512 \) 258 0112 ye shall know truth , truth shall make free
thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) subject clarification organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 48 930420 thou wilt shall whole law word sin restriction kent \( sandvik newton apple com \) writes sorry , san jose based rosicrucian order called r c , n't remember time stand r c ordo rosae crucis , words latin order rose cross response yes , true entire title 'the ancient mystical order rosae located avenue , san jose , california , 0001 , usa considered different largely unrelated number sources 've seen documentation links figure h spencer lewis lewis apparently involved reuss , h ordo templi orientis many years apparently also true lewis charter form body created r c \( subsidiary \? interesting question \) kent otherwise headquarters san jose pretty decent metaphysical bookstore , interested books son loves run around egyptian museum response indeed , across street another metaphysical book store called , wherein 've purchased wonderful works crowley others ram metaphysical books , 1749 park ave , san jose , ca \( 408 \) 294 invoke stars love law , love ! frater \( \) \( \)
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject prednisone significant long term side effects \? organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines 30 taking prednisone twice day control colitis seems like reduce dosage , problem becomes worse point , see taking prednisone long long time , perhaps ever wondering long term major side effects , things like potential birth defects , arthritis etc putting weight , face looks puffed round , experience sudden mood swings understand , short term second spenser aden said reply additionally , hard say type response prednisone since say long patients generally kept steroids months thinking tapering alternatives daily every day , case every day would start another option possible get prednisone start like spenser said , generally another drug addition prednisone , like lot specifics options , though , depends severity , location , duration disease , well histology , take advice net worth treat patients uc crohn 's educated patient good patient , let doctor know advice came things put context also member crohn 's colitis foundation america 1 800 932 office 1 800 343 info hotline best luck steve holland gila005 uabdpo dpo uab edu
subject univesa driver ualr edu organization university arkansas little rock nntp posting host athena ualr edu lines 13 article news duke edu , seth acpub duke edu \( seth wandersman \) writes got univesa driver available net thought finally 1 meg oak board would able show 256 colors unfortunately program still says ca n't fault program \( fractint \) something wrong card univesa free driver available net makes many boards vesa compatible whats 256 color mode \? asking lot hardware \? lewis ualr edu
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject plus minus stat lines 16 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 gerald olchowy \( golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \) wrote meaningless compare one player 's plus minus statistic another players' context role playing time players involved compare jagr 's francis 's plus minus ridiculous absurd gerald thank putting perspective ! tom huot huot cray com
spdc ti com \( bob shaw \) subject question xon x11r5 article organization ti semiconductor process design center lines 23 nntp posting host hi folks say , i'm new r5 one quick question using xon \( xon machine name \) , notice always comes small window i'm pretty sure default font xterms work normally xon supposed read xresources font size \? xrdb q appears show right stuff use xon arguments xterm fn 10x20 etc everything correct course could always simple script , feeling i'm missing something simple comments suggestions appreciated thanks advance bob spdc ti com mm
azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) subject drinking riding organization university college wales , aberystwyth lines 11 nntp posting host 144 124 112 30 article 1993apr3 galaxy gov bc ca bclarke galaxy gov bc ca writes article c4wkbp b9w eskimo com , maven eskimo com \( norman hamer \) writes drinking riding general rule thumb sobriety cycling \? couple hours feel sober \? \? work drink tonight , n't ride tomorrow \? even half beer increase confidence slugging reactions judgement much maybe , hard enough stay alive length time without stacking odds 'll ride
hilbert stanford edu \( \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization brotherhood breath lines 8 thought walt weiss jewish seem recall mentioned still oakland also , suspicions esther canseco \( \)
shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) subject riceburner respect organization office 'tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines 14 article 1993apr14 megatek com , randy megatek com \( randy davis \) writes rider \( pilot \? \) i'm happy 've effect choice words , seth \) \) time could get respectable response posting like randy 's post n't count 'cause saw responses n't want feel ignored \( thanks randy ! \) curious dod thing get number \? \( \) roid
oecjtb oec4 orbital dialix oz au \( john bongiovanni \) subject date stuck organization orbital engine company lines 29 bsardis netcom com \( barry sardis \) writes kevin kosman uucp \( kevin o'gorman \) writes anybody seen date get stuck \? i'm running ms dos 5 0 menu system alive time machine left running time suddenly , date longer rolls time \( reasonably \) accurate allways , change date hand every morning involves exiting menu system get dos 've started notice thing i'm running dos 5 win 3 1 fix windows control panel times date , others clock seems running several minutes behind hear order date advance , something , like clock , make get date system call \? apparently , clock hardware interrupt bios n't \( date advance \) automatically get date call notices midnight reset flag set , advances date anybody info \? john bongiovanni , systems analyst , orbital engine company , perth , australia oecjtb oec4 orbital dialix oz au , bongo alumni caltech edu opinions expressed organisation
boora kits sfu ca \( godfather \) subject abc real thing \? organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 7 ok , seems everyone else canada treated real abc telecast people rogers tv surrey bc treated two channels stink commentator whitman play play godfather
fulk cs rochester edu \( mark fulk \) subject science methodology \( homeopathy tradition \? \) organization university rochester distribution inet article unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com \( gary merrill \) writes course ca n't hope \( currently least \) explain kekule daydream snakes fire biting tails surely n't daydream special one \? could something perceived analogy geometry snakes problems concerning geometry molecules \? reasoning extra scientific \? rather heart science \( 's notion , use models within across disciplines \) \? upon close examination , non rational mystical leap taking place , perhaps closer formal \( though often incomplete \) analogy model \? feel need repeat kekule 's dream rather bad example much anything read root bernstein 's book history benzene ring mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu
dev hollywood acsc com \( \) subject circular motif widgets organization acsc , inc lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host hollywood acsc com support round circular widgets motif 's next release \? 'd love circular knob widget could used instead slider cheers ! dm
isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) subject abyss breathing fluids organization u c berkeley math department lines 19 nntp posting host skippy berkeley edu breathable liquids possible \? remember seeing old nova nature things idea touched upon \( might tv show \) nothing else , know liquids possible showed large glass full liquid , put white mouse \( rat \? \) since liquid dense , mouse would float , held clutching tail thing struggled quite bit , certainly held long enough breathing liquid never slow attempts swim top , may humane demonstrations , certainly shows breathable liquids made isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big
calvin usc edu \( bill \) subject full page pb screen organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host calvin usc edu article andrew cmu edu , michael andrew cmu edu writes hi working project marketing class 'd like ask help assignment come product create marketing plan technical issues terribly important point i'm surprised learn issues terribly anyone working \)
chert dungeon com \( chert \) subject epson \( hpgl \) 4 pen plotter w 340 pens 500 b summary hp keywords plotter hp epson organization dis distribution usa lines 30 greetings , epson hi 80 4 pen plotter forsale emulates hp i'm sure option board emulation serial interface hardware handshake also 340 pens follows 10 packs 4 black oil based , 16 packs 4 red , green , blue , black pens , 22 packs 4 black , 7 packs 4 r , g , blue , black , 1 pack 6 multi color pens , 114 assorted non packaged pens mostly colored plotter used tested using windows drivers hp hp worked fine accepts either b sized paper \( 8 5 x 11 \) figure plotter worth 300 pens worth least another 200 one thing certain , wo n't need purchase pens quite packaged pens sealed still fresh rest seem function well 'd willing sell pens seperate anyone interested i'm selling got hp laserjet n't need color 'd like 350 best offer chert chert chert dungeon com chert dungeon lonestar org panic cat power cord !
karner austin ibm com \( f karner \) subject jews ca n't hide keith cco originator frank karner austin ibm com organization ibm advanced workstation division lines 50 article aaa fido asd sgi com , livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr3 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes deletions er , jon , ken said previously people like country unfortunately , jews survive sure sounds like ken accusing guy nazi hitler nazis n't spring fully formed forehead athena n't invent anti semitism built foundation anti semitism already present germany foundation anti semitism laid , nazis , people listed , also hundreds years , knee jerk bigotry , part perfectly ordinary people , , course , pastors priests worry today whether hollywood hitler black uniform going come onto german stage one step , whether bedrock foundations anti semitism laid , little little , germany , speak , laid , , come later , people like poster question people think casual anti semitism acceptable , even fun deletions may suggest , greatest possible respect , go read history \? jon , consider german poster 's remark anti semitic \? perhaps imply anyone germany n't agree policy nazi \? pray tell , even qualify casual anti semitism \? term n't apply , bring \? bigotry shining disclaimer opinions expressed posting mine solely represent employer way f karner aix technical support karner austin vnet ibm com
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject manual shift bigots organization clearer blir lines 20 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article news cso uiuc edu mchaffee dcl nxt07 \( michael chaffee \) writes w r performance , converter lockup purely irrelevant lockup occurs light throttle settings serves improve mpg mind , converter clutch lovely job improving mpg , additional mechanical advantage converter gives acceleration \( vs locked converter clutch \) inherent losses take away transmission car contradicts assertions get much stronger acceleration let convertor lockup induce briefly lifting , quickly \( quickly trigger \) applying throttle 3000 rpms , convertor never unlock would first says 's skill involved driving automatic \? think throttle shifter combined single pedal car pretty much influence shifting patterns right foot , hands steer eliot
d88 jwa hemul nada kth se \( jon w tte \) subject interesting adb behaviour c650 nntp posting host hemul nada kth se organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 23 1993apr16 waikato ac nz ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) writes heard warnings anybody apple sure , asked couple technicians , one servicing macs years danger damaging logic boards plugging unplugging adb devices power problem pins adb connector close , happen bend cable little inserting , short adb port take apple repair centre , means new motherboard \( though component replace physically possible \) goes serial ports \( localtalk well \) cheers , h jon w tte , h nada kth se , mac hacker deluxe article printed 100 recycled electrons
jono mac ak 24 rtsg mot com \( jon ogden \) subject losing temper christian trait organization motorola development lines 26 article apr 23 02 55 47 1993 geneva rutgers edu , jcj tellabs com \( jcj \) wrote 'd like remind people fig tree jesus driving money et al temple think two instances christ showing anger \( part human side \) yes , paul saying 26 ye angry , sin let sun go upon wrath \( ephesians 4 26 \) obviously , angry w sinning jon jon ogden jono mac ak 24 rtsg mot com motorola cellular advanced products division voice 708 632 2521 data 708 632 6086 drew circle shut heretic , rebel , thing love wit win drew circle took
kde boi hp com \( keith emmen \) subject cnn sale distribution usa organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin 1 1scd1 pl4 lines 5 anyone keeping list potential contributors , put 1000 00 conditions keith emmen kde boi hp com
lerxst wam umd edu \( 's thing \) subject car ! \? nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 15 wondering anyone could enlighten car saw day 2 door sports car , looked late 60s early 70s called bricklin doors really small addition , front bumper separate rest body know anyone model name , engine specs , years production , car made , history , whatever info funky looking car , please e mail thanks , il brought neighborhood lerxst
jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) subject top ten comments overheard secret service lounge organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 29 reply jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov nntp posting host ab20 larc nasa gov reply popec unkaphaed jpunix com 's message tue , 06 apr 93 02 29 13 gmt article unkaphaed jpunix com popec unkaphaed jpunix com \( william c \) writes croaker highlite uucp \( francis ney \) writes besides , n't want clinton , would make h martyr la jfk 's much better deal end term office disgrace , watching liberal democrat friends staff run nation toilet assuming , course , riots n't 'd go far ways run things bad reagan bush n't riots bush got dumped spotty behind 'll see 4 years pope charles slack time ! \? need stop watching tv start reading history jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov
uucp \( jim \) subject jiggers distribution world x newssoftware grn 1 16f \( 10 17 92 \) mike schwartz michael b smith organization privately owned operated uucp site lines 26 article bigboote wpi edu susan wpi wpi edu \( susan \) writes friend mine severe cause jiggers year cause lot pain recently read \( n't know \) possible cure jiggers anyone information \? ca n't remember name treatment , read 'll probably get flamed , kid would go cabin middle bass island lake erie always came home nasty case jiggers \( large red bumps buggers skin \) mother would paint bumps clear finger nail polish repeated daily week application polish supposed seals skin say worked us one word caution though putting finger nail polish bite stings like hell \( get flamed put jam pockets call toast \) ! akron oh us \( \) ! legend akron oh us
ckincy cs umr edu \( charles kincy \) subject pro abortion feminist leader endorses trashing free speech rights nntp posting host next4 cs umr edu organization university missouri rolla , rolla , mo lines 9 words chilling effect stimulate impulses within small collection neurons call brain \? cpk 's 80 days know wallet \? slick willy 's already got hand pocket i'm afraid might grab hold
simon nada kth se \( simon \) subject sunrise sunset times nntp posting host nada kth se organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 14 1993apr21 cbis ece drexel edu jpw cbis ece drexel edu \( joseph wetstein \) writes hello looking program \( algorithm \) used compute sunrise sunset times would appreciate advice thought would easiest fitting sine times gave discrepancy upto six minutes fit sine series 'll get good fit three four terms though presumably eccentricity earths orbit simon , , simon nada kth se v ga v !
auerbach batman bmd trw com subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! lines 23 article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu , mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes surprised post makes past censors , goes short mr gorman \( assuming mr title n't think woman would stupid enough make post \) n't know episode cnn sexist remark ! come , mike , ever possessed make un pc remark \? hope women reading incensed remember , woman good men ! ! ! ! women stand right stupid men fact , insist every even stupid men ! 've got right , use ! hey , 's slow afternoon really n't want get back report \) btw mega smileys humor impaired karl
djf cck coventry ac uk \( marvin batty \) subject vandalizing sky nntp posting host cc sysk organization starfleet , coventry , uk lines 30 article c5t05k db6 research canon oz au enzo research canon oz au \( enzo liguori \) writes article 's new apr 16 93 sci physics research what's new \( opinion \) , friday , 16 april 1993 washington , dc 1 space billboards ! one spinoffs promised \? 1950 , science fiction writer robert heinlein published man sold moon , involved dispute sale rights moon use billboard nasa taken toward hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived pad schwarzenegger painted huge block letters side booster rockets things could worse lot worse ! mid eighties teen adult sci fi comic \( \) produced short story featuring award winning character judge story focussed advertising agency future use high powered multi coloured lasers search lights pointed moon paint images moon needless say , use hacked load lovers , crazies ad guys got chopped , service discontinued tale indeed ! marvin batty marvin batty djf uk ac cov cck shall find things , sort rafia like base , fathers put night 8 o'clock !
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject islam borders vs israeli borders nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 56 article c50wjj j4r newsflash concordia ca ilyess ece concordia ca \( ilyess bdira \) writes article bimacs bitnet ehrlich bimacs bitnet \( gideon ehrlich \) writes borders islamic world dreams \? \? islamic world dreams whole planet , kicking current inhabitant , rather deam day everybody converts jews dream , would feel threatened bit certainly muslims believe dream global islamic community achieved force , however , others \( , often far visible vocal former \) accept establishment global islam force would feel threatened accepting pursuing peaceful means , jews advocating approach advocating force means expanding side 's power certainly threat palestinians , israel maintaining dominance outside group told one impose control , damn right threat member non muslim minority inside islamic world actively accept minority status , would also certainly see islam 's domination , maintained , powerful coercive force wield minorities within ranks islamic readers , waiting honest answer want also honest answer zionists following questions zionist , feel jewish palestinian nationalist desires need , , accepted way 1 \) jews n't even believe god \( case many founders secular zionism \) right palestine inhabitants palestine , god gave land \? reason muslims believe proper righteous islam spread force upon want 2 \) speak west bank inhabitants jews want part israel \? refer also refer scared , feel threatened , well feeling area degree part belief religion heritage identity etc strongly object justify israeli rule want occupied territories israel 's control , keep , dominate tim
jjb dtc hp com \( jim brewer \) subject uh , der , whassa deltabox \? nntp posting host dtc hp com organization hp design technology center , santa clara , ca lines 6 article ccu umanitoba ca klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) writes beleive 's called frame nothing paint wo n't fix someone riding gsxr \?
holthaus news weeg uiowa edu \( james r holthaus \) subject fighting clipper initiative organization university iowa , iowa city , ia , usa lines 43 prz sage cgd ucar edu \( philip zimmermann \) writes philip , think ideas well taken constructive thanks forum 2 \) work press talk local newspaper 's science technology reporter write favorite trade rags better yet , write articles favorite magazines newspapers explain clipper chip initiative bad idea remember tailor audience general public may slow grasp 's bad idea , since seems technical arcane innocent sounding try come across flaming libertarian paranoid extremist , even one flaming libertarian paranoid extremist \( \) , loss specific objections n't sound frighteningly technical suggestions \? perhaps somebody could post list \? 5 \) mobilize opposition industry companies presumably develop products incorporate clipper chip lobbied , within without work telecommunications equipment vendor , first aid coworkers fellow engineers initiative , present company 's management united front engineering talent initiative write persuasive memos management , name names hold meetings one way might suggest companies implementing schemes , limited govt 's scheme find reasons opposition clipper scheme insecurity mistrust govt nsa hard sell letters editor nontechnical people hints advice maybe small faq type thing hate clipper would good idea james holthaus james holthaus uiowa edu government association men violence rest us leo tolstoy pgp 2 2 public key available request key server
steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) subject malpractice issue \( 8 myths national health \) summary malpractice insurance litigation n't explain us health probs organization free barbers , inc lines 46 nntp posting host thor isc br com article acsu buffalo edu v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes article 1993apr18 news columbia edu , gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes difference litigation environment reflected fees lack defensive medicine near absence malpractice really spend less using expensive approach pure insurance really need national health insurance \? would n't make sense find way cut cost malpractice insurance \? would malpractice defensive medicine main factors explaining us health care costs , n't although gary correct noting malpractice related problems greater us canada , means account overall difference health care costs \( account somewhat larger portion difference physicians' gross income two countries \) facts malpractice insurance awards account less 1 total health care costs us 1991 , according survey physicians conducted national medical journal physicians averaged paying 3 7 practice receipts malpractice insurance malpractice insurance premiums malpractice awards peaked 1985 've declined significantly since time , health care costs increased period history far defensive medicine concerned , ama estimates total impact 7 billion per year 's 8 total current increase health care costs estimate group could expected impacts defensive medicine health care small problem overall scheme things , however , clinton record long time favoring md 's malpractice suits follow procedures set specialties would eliminate , frivolous suits retaining ability sue true malpractice jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing data , sure cut uucp ! uunet ! isc br ! thor ! steveh bulls r hofferbert bell 509 838 8826
jef netcom com \( jef poskanzer \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow x face \) , q \( nx 8 c \) \? , \( x 0d jm \( q l b8 ! ha ef b 4 f \? , \( , ur j reply jef poskanzer jef netcom com organization esoteric lines 22 brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) yes , public key system would almost impossible handle might rsa , mean pkp n't get paid 1997 , pkp patent general concept public key encryption , well particular implementation known rsa hmm , first thought 're using diffie hellman session key exchange , equivalent however , diffie hellman patent , like hellman merkle one public key systems , claims equivalents , basic point stands interestingly , quote jim bidzos showed media real soon announcement , sounded pissed maybe n't yet realized pkp might struck gold \? get someone admit general scheme clipper uses jef jef poskanzer jef netcom com jef well sf ca us object never serves function image name rene
jls antares \( jon sweet \) subject x windows windows organization nasa larc lines 11 distribution world reply jls antares nntp posting host antares larc nasa gov pc xview ncd , hcl exceed hummingbird software ! opinions expressed nobody else wants ! jls antares larc nasa gov jon l sweet
tvartiai vipunen hut fi \( tommi vartiainen \) subject finland sweden vs nhl teams \( helsinki stockholm nhl expansion \) nntp posting host vipunen hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 51 1993apr16 ousrvr oulu fi mep phoenix oulu fi \( marko poutiainen \) writes finland jyrki lumme 20 teppo numminen 20 peter ahola 13 well well , n't like defenders \( mainly lumme numminen \) 25 correct numminen lumme r teemu selanne 27 compared kurri , selanne 's points high , lets make 25 26 , kurri 's points low 27 kurri 28 sel nne well canada cup world championships largely due efforts markus ketterer \( goalie \) , 3 4 players listed luck 's presumably lot decent players finland would n't superstars highest level still valuable role players , however guess would finnish canada cup team would 500 team nhl wow , , looks like n't like players \? guys like nieminen , , riihijarvi , varvio , , makela , \( even aging \) \? main difference finnish north american players , players tend better larger rink canadian defenders usually slower defenders europe think success ketterer luck \( though helped \) think main reason , team worked well together 's true game different europe compared nhl north ame better small rinks europeans large rinks average european player sweden , finland , russian slovakia better skater nhl colleague especially defenders nhl mainly slow clumsy sel nne also said finnish sm league game based skill nhl finland could n't get many defenders average much better skaters nhl also alpo suhonen said nhl sel nne 's speed clumsy defensemen admit best players come canada , regulars n't regulars best european leagues also top europeans level best north americans \( except lemieux class \) tommi
arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) subject u holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization mcsnet contributor , chicago , il lines 19 nntp posting host localhost mcs com article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact , intellectual content social value toilet goes know unbiased source nyt comes things concerning israel neither times trained seals responded thus far seem recognize statement private funds tax exmpt , american taxpayers put least 30 money , federal land mitigate offensiveness alien monument dedicated perpetuating continual flow tax money foreign entity \? federal land tax money could used americans better yet , house homeless americans
especkma reed edu \( erik speckman \) subject pds vs nubus \( lc iii nubus capable \? \) article reed 1993apr19 distribution usa organization reed college , portland , oregon lines 26 article 802 morrow stanford edu hk mlr forsythe stanford edu \( mark rogowsky \) writes second wave makes nubus card cages work pds slots least three macs se 30 , iisi centris 610 , knowledge , announced device lcii , could make one , technologically pds card goes cage simply needs nubus controller circuitry present nubus macs , though , anyone care \? three pds adapter lc lcii soon one lciii pds better nubus people applications granted , nubus cards , applications require nubus card \( like full motion video capture \) n't done lc lcii lciii anyway mark nubus much robust system system installing multiple cards without configuration problems know checking options si number pds video cards would work certian dual slot cache adapters erik speckman
drickel bounce mentorg com \( dave rickel \) subject i'm idiot , else new \? originator drickel bounce nntp posting host bounce mentorg com organization mentor graphics keywords lines 17 article jsc nasa gov , mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu \( r e mcelwaine \) writes operative march 1993 , russian president boris yeltsin proposed united states united nations global defense shield \( star wars type weapons \) funny bit disturbing forging posting seems somewhat unethical , even subject notorious mcelwaine followups definitely go sci space david rickel drickel mentorg com
daytonoh ncr com \( brian \) subject dos6 defragment \? \? reply daytonoh ncr com \( brian \) organization daytonoh ncr com lines 14 article 1993apr5 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes well , subject dos 6 defragmentation \? \? yes , non drives defragmented believe use norton 's speedisk brian lift glasses , friend , mine ncr corp raise hand iss i'm england stole , i'm ireland spent , oh i'm outlawed
jmeritt mental mitre org subject god 's promise righteous organization utexas mail news gateway lines 3 nntp posting host cs utexas edu ps 92 12 righteous shall flourish like palm tree isa 57 1 righteous , man heart
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject shoot somebody nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 32 article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes say 're situation pull gun somebody give chance get away decided continue action anyway end shooting killing question \? stay wait cops collect brass \( 're using semi auto \) get \( provided course n't think seen \) \? , would obvious choice armed self defence clearly strongly protected colorado constitution laws state clear cut situation hypothetical , would n't anything fear police \( unless publicly carrying weapon concealed , something i'm habit even , worst 'd deal class 2 misdemeanor \) even situation clear , might worry arrest manslaughter homicide , would still safer wait police leave try avoid police involvement , 'd committing several felonies ruining chances claiming self defence court \( really self defence , would ask , run away hide police \? \) states , however , decision might clear cut someone , say , washington c use gun self defence would automatically guilty several felony violations city 's gun control laws person 's choices would certain conviction couple felonies versus possible conviction half dozen frank crary cu boulder
gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) subject ussr reached moon first \? reply gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) organization destructive testing systems lines 63 article 93110 qucdn queensu ca graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu ca writes article 1993apr18 091051 14496 ke4zv uucp , gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) says 's conceivable luna military purpose , 's possible luna commercial purpose , 's likely luna scientific purpose next several hundred years least therefore , lunar bases predicated funding levels little different found antarctic bases put 200 person base moon 30 million year \? even use grad students \? might able run one put , hardly think least couple centuries significant commerical activity moon \? wishful thinking mostly 's likely moon never site major commercial activity far know materials ca n't get cheaper right earth asteroids comets , aside semi mythic might useful low grade fusion reactors exploring would satisfy curiosity itch , 's position gravity well earth coupled 's heat sink capacity could offer military utility high ground military weapons systems , holds minute commercial value space travel becomes cheap enough , might become tourist attraction mt everest antarctic become , 's minor activity global scope things luna gravity field 's likely low prevent calcium loss , muscle atrophy , long term genetic drift yet 's high micro g manufacturing space based colonies factories spun value g look much better luna modest vacuum raw solar exposure two weeks month , orbital sites better continous solar exposure luna offers source light element rocks serve raw materials , heatsink , shielding asteroids comets offer sources light heavy elements , volatile compounds , many less steep gravity wells less delta v required reach n't use 2 earth , , virtually ignore , whole continent 's n't deal conditions order make buck luna much expensive place visit , live work think 'll use easier places first pushes lunar development back least centuries , much longer luna 's main short term value would place farside radio astronomy observatory , shielded noisy earth site laser , particle beam , linear accelerator weapons system defending earth , bombarding case may first unlikely high cost basic science instrument second unlikely conventional nukes good enough , military would really rather see earth safe conventional warfare 's little glory watching bunker machines fight continental ranges little ultimate profit either gary gary coffman ke4zv make , gatech ! wa4mei ! ke4zv ! gary destructive testing systems break uunet ! rsiatl ! ke4zv ! gary 534 shannon way guaranteed ! emory ! kd4nc ! ke4zv ! gary lawrenceville , ga 30244
yalevm ycc yale edu \( daniel cohen \) subject interesting adb behaviour c650 nntp posting host yalevm ycc yale edu organization yale university lines 20 article 1993apr15 waikato ac nz ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) writes 've noticed interesting phenomenon centris 650 unplug keyboard mouse plug without turning power , mouse suddenly switches half normal movement speed check mouse control panel , 's change setting 's still full speed , way like restarting machine restores normal mouse speed way , happens newer style mouse came centris , older style mouse iifx work thus n't think anything resolution setting mouse 's definitely quirk adb interface \( either hardware software \) centris noticed exact phenomenon occurs lciii perhaps quirk new machines \? dan
informatik uni erlangen de \( robert \) subject booting b drive organization university erlangen , csd ai nntp posting host informatik uni erlangen de lines 36 hi ! think vga copy need create new floppy drive \( 5 1 4 \) , turn modify switch vga copy boot using diskette , message appears system disk , 1 \) replace disk another , 2 \) boot harddisk 3 \) switch drives reboot \( , becomes b , b becomes \) type choice select third item , boot b called seems work good , example booting installation disks 3 5 format problem friend mine \( 3 5 drive \) hope helps robert p vga copy shareware , 's easy get newest version seems 5 0 robert , 17 , erlangen , tel email informatik uni erlangen de \( erlangen \) wars see right , left robert , 17 , erlangen , tel email informatik uni erlangen de \( erlangen \) wars see right , left
organization stanford linear accelerator center slacvm slac stanford edu subject collectors \( 1 left \) lines 13 chimney sweep number 12 \( 5 1 2 6 1 2 \) , closed edition , 3 4 line \( purchased west germany 1970 \) \( retail 270 \) sell 120 \( h extra \) picture want see first excellent shape , chips cracks \) great idea mother 's day great buy interested \? please e mail call \( 415 \) 926 wk \( 408 \) 248
aron tikal ced berkeley edu \( aron bonar \) subject 3d studio v2 01 differences previous version organization university california , berkeley lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host tikal ced berkeley edu article 1993apr22 hparc0 aus hp com , doug hparc0 aus hp com \( doug parsons \) writes fombaron marc \( fombaron ufrima imag fr \) wrote significant differences v2 01 v2 00 \? thank helping recall , differences 3ds set parameters defaults changed slightly 'll look get home let know , n't enough actually warrant upgrading wrong major improvements 2 01 2 use ipas routines 3d studio increased speed anywhere 30 200 depending ones use group ipas routines buy separate 3d studio package require use 2 01 2 slow 2 00
bixledn eng auburn edu \( david n bixler \) subject criminals machineguns nntp posting host mosquito eng auburn edu reply bixledn eng auburn edu organization auburn university engineering lines 14 's one way know tell ar 15 16 pick , hold foot face look closely saftey lever two positions , ar 15 , three , 16 numerous internal differences well , since one would field strip weapon see , valid discussion , conclusion , little external differences distinguish ar 15 16 except close \( close \) range david bixler auburn university standard disclaimers apply
contractor ebay sun com \( jim jones \) subject post fever rashes get 'em every time organization sun microsystems , inc mt view , ca lines 18 distribution world reply contractor ebay sun com \( jim jones \) nntp posting host contractor ebay sun com subject line says every time run fever , get amazing rosy rash arms fortunately , n't itch rash always comes day fever breaks matter illness cold , flu , whatever started happening four years ago moved current town , although n't know anything anything severity persistance rash seems vary fever severe long lasting fever brings long lasting rash mild fever seems bring rashes go away faster anybody know might causing \? 's embarassment , 'd curious know 's going carrying kind fever resistant bug goes wild fever knocks competition \? jim jones
hodge iccgcc decnet ab com subject removing ole server lines 25 article liverpool ac uk , liverpool ac uk \( chris wooff \) writes ago installed spss windows part evaluation evaluation complete duly deleted software pc unfortunately still ghost spss left run something like write go embed object spss chart appears list objects i'm offered looked around obvious ini files without success next thing tried looking string spss chart every file windows directory turned file called req dat \( reg dat \) unfortunately file binary n't feel inclined edit 'd welcome solution removing spss list ole servers chris wooff \( c wooff liverpool ac uk \) edit file utility comes windows 3 1 called regedit \( registration info editor \) bob hodge i'm going fishing got worms \? yeah , i'm going anyway !
aep world std com \( andrew e page \) subject setwutime works pb 230 organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 12 tested 230 work would seem 140 170 though one way tell go open powerbook control panel \( 7 1 \) setting allows set time wake mac present open control panel , assume setwutime work andrew e page \( warrior poet \) decision effort archer arrow mac consultant difference macintosh dsp technology want
et teal csn org \( eric h taylor \) subject help tracking device summary underground underwater wireless methods keywords rogers , tesla , hertz , underground , underwater , wireless , radio nntp posting host teal csn org organization 4 l laboratories expires fri , 30 apr 1993 06 00 00 gmt lines 36 article rutgers edu mcdonald rutgers edu writes variety water proof could use real meat problem electronics hence posting kind transmission would reliable underwater , murky even night time conditions \? i'm sure sound feasible given distortion water obviously direction would accurate range could relatively short \( imagine 2 3 hundred yards would enough \) jim mcdonald refer patents james harris rogers 958 , 829 1 , 220 , 005 1 , 322 , 622 1 , 349 , 103 1 , 315 , 862 1 , 349 , 104 1 , 303 , 729 1 , 303 , 730 1 , 316 , 188 details methods underground underwater wireless communications review , refer electrical , march 1919 june 1919 methods used extensively world war , unclassified war supposedly , government rethought soon , rogers forgotten bottom line antennas grounded send half signal thru ground half travels thru space quickly \( square distance \) , travels thru ground furthermore , published data showed noise drowned regular reception , underground antennas would recieve virtually noise free find hard believe , refer work man invented wireless tesla tesla confirmed methods correct , wave theory completely et tesla 100 years ahead time perhaps time comes
niguma ug cs dal ca \( gord niguma \) subject g williams sent yanks win al east nntp posting host ug cs dal ca organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada distribution na lines 17 well , really n't cut dry , jay fan thing feared worst happened yanks sent williams g going start williams b cf also believe kept wickman millitello rotation , much nicer mike witt combo thought 'd throw experience granted , witt might good , think used rationale keep youngsters given job witt good pitcher experience yanks showing taking positive strides forwards jays loss dave stewart looking gigantic holes pitching staff orioles also end gord niguma \( salvage season , let jj olerud win mvp \)
chuck eng umd edu \( chuck harris wa3uqv \) subject cnn sale organization university maryland , department electrical engineering lines 11 distribution usa nntp posting host eng umd edu article boi hp com kde boi hp com \( keith emmen \) writes anyone keeping list potential contributors , put 1000 00 conditions seems folks , interested acquiring cnn , buy 1000 worth stock today 's traded everyday piece , work proxy votes later 's probably even good investment chuck harris wa3uqv chuck eng umd edu
julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) subject top ten reasons aid russians nntp posting host eddie jpl nasa gov organization jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , ca lines 137 article encore com rcollins encore com \( roger collins \) writes julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) writes suggest listen carefully stuff yeltsin people saying compare anti west slogans coming opponents russian congress sure know want back could back without forcing others back point gun \? backed strongly early doubt would problem many russians became disillusioned democracy reforms felt , rightly imo , west n't care yeltsin virtually promised massive aid \( bush got mania \) probably kept dismantling congress calling new elections well , aid n't come n't make sure went proper places anti reformers gaining strength hiding considered non policy \? market reform happen , russia certainly get private capital private risk help economy even incentive reason n't reform , government probably consider enemies anyway rather spend money hurt rather help n't reform n't believe giving money however , think important take non approach really bugs libertarianism sounds like 'it 'll hundred years time need anything ' affect us \? well , planet vast tracks europe blown away think 'd feel something massive breakup country spans 1 6th planet bound affects \( course , also humanitarian argument democracies help democracies \( struggling democracies \) \) 1 6 billion gift important well , could n't raised \? people already give 100 billion year charity despite wishes libertarians , society far way , getting farther , libertarian perhaps voluntary gifts would work proper framework face problem , x years libertarian dream society right huge stumbling blocks trade , let alone charity still limitations high tech exports nasa ca n't buy proton launch vehicles sure , market may able help great deal ca n't right many obstacles instead fighting aid fighting tear obstacles market charities face seriously everyone different opinions stupid two causes aid russia strong space program someone else champion welfare education studies drunken goldfish republic true democracy instead gridlock massive scale , gridlock congressional scale seems instead gridlock scale , aid russia , expensive space programs , national charity n't help poor , probably , studies drunken goldfish think limited government key democratic well , think limited government primarily democratic due limited main question transform state run economy monolithic government something even remotely looks like \? \( btw , sometimes seems government trying go opposite direction \) going painless going easy simply cannot wait help government 'll never get without aid may late already btw , decide \? ' like want impose others sort thing thought libertarians opinion , libertarians big free speech i'm mine actually , politics pretty libertarian except one issue impossible join party seems libertarians want withdraw rest world let sink swim pretty libertarian except one issue libertarian consider compromise much money would fellow russia give russia oppose n't using government machine steal money group causes n't support \? also said , another problem transformation libertarian society going happen overnight seen nothing take current government society turn minimal government responsible self sufficient populace could 100 years ago people saying hundreds years n't nuclear weapons 100 years ago instantaneous communications travel virtually anyplace earth less day like beginnings global economy global decision making reason depend free market efficiently process information , depend rulers decisions complex issues yes , depend rulers free market businesses rulers emerge somewhere never represent opinions every person planet must checks balances checks government gets bounds checks industry gets bounds putting hopes benevolence market , , like putting hopes benevolence government julie disclaimer opinions belong cat one else
cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) subject guns gone good riddance ! reply cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) organization north coast public access nix , cleveland , oh lines 28 quoted 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu press , public \( voting public \) , flow history ! kind sounds like v ferguson , huh \? course case , things change , huh \? fucking bad gone way kkk violent solutions passe' avoid situations encourage criminals safe possible , little fantasy comes pass , country gone toward kkk 're course little violent solutions never government criminals \( frequently \) cannot distinguished \) avoid situations encourage criminals \? mean n't woman \? n't black \? n't gay \? i'm quite certain surfeit unarmed victims discourage beloved kkk engaging violent solutions 're like bunch educated , new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva
topgun \( steven mikes \) subject information organization un x technologies lines 13 product mention parallax graphics santa clara , california , us read product review jan feb '93 issue x journal issues focuses multimedia x , also number useful items , including article video x window fax new york office 212 274 information obtaining back issues steve steven mikes editor x journal 1097 rd , martinsville , nj office 908 563 fax 908 560 serving x window system community
bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de \( vesselin bontchev \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption reply bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de organization virus test center , university hamburg distribution na lines 268 clipper csrc ncsl nist gov \( clipper chip announcement \) writes president today announced new initiative bring federal government together industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate needs law enforcement nice formulation introduction first encryption devices built trapdoors like feds wanted long little dialogue private sector law enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans rather use technology accommodate sometimes competing interests economic growth , privacy law enforcement , previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy law enforcement bla bla protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology help americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information , also used terrorists , drug dealers , criminals indeed , current proposal nothing prevent latter ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications using encryption algorithm powerful many commercial use today n't say much many incredibly weak encryption algorithms commercial use today new technology help companies protect proprietary information , protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically except government time technology preserves ability federal , state local law enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals nope criminals wo n't stupid enough use new chip , 'll use something secure technology provides means intercept phone conversations people stupid enough use agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured , two keys deposited separately two key escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap , government keys n't matter much one two hands clipper chip technology provides law enforcement new authorities access content private conversations americans correct , however , provide americans false sense privacy devices addition , respected experts outside government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings screening public , cannot trusted people trust des even today , examinations parts design kept secret chip important step addressing problem encryption 's dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry , also shield criminals terrorists need clipper chip approaches provide law abiding citizens access encryption need prevent criminals using hide illegal activities order assess technology 'll use different technology hide illegal activities law abiding citizens , trust government misuse abilities decrypt conversations privacy citizens , including need employ voice data encryption business purposes except government need u companies manufacture export high technology products huh \? later says new technology export restricted since encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure , federal government must act quickly develop consistent , comprehensive policies regarding use administration committed policies protect americans' right privacy also protecting break law short , new technology 1 \) protect law abiding citizen 's privacy casual snooper cannot 1 \) protect government , decides misuse ability decrypt conversations 2 \) protect criminals succeed break new encryption scheme steal keys , bribe people handle , etc 3 \) prevent criminals using secure encryption communication q approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations \? clipper chip technology provides law enforcement new authorities access content private conversations americans correct however , provide much privacy claims q run key escrow data banks \? two key escrow data banks run two independent entities point , department justice administration yet determine agencies oversee key escrow data banks two candidates nsa mafia q strong security device \? sure strong security \? system secure many voice encryption systems readily available today , trust us algorithm remain classified protect security key escrow security obscurity system , willing invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities 's entirely open public examination , cannot trusted besides , prove devices used examination ones built phones \? q whose decision propose product \? national security council , justice department , nsa fbi \? q consulted \? congress \? industry \? going discussions congress industry encryption issues , expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative forget academia \? q government provide hardware manufacturers \? government designed developed key access encryption microcircuits , providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces n't smell \? q provides clipper chip \? mykotronx programs facility torrance , california , sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function could licensed vendors future like mafia \? q administration unable find technological solution like one proposed , would administration willing use legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices \? main question , buried end \? fundamental policy question considered broad policy review key escrow 'll see mechanism provide americans encryption product secure , convenient , less expensive others readily available today , one trust us administration saying , since encryption threatens public safety effective law enforcement , prohibit outright \( countries short , decide outlaw strong crypto , 'll tell effectively done \) u saying every american , matter right , entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product since us government seems consider strong crypto munitions since us constitutions guarantees right every american bear arms , every american entitled , matter right , unbreakable commercial encryption product \? indicates understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans' privacy , help businesses compete , ensure law enforcement agencies tools need fight crime terrorism bullshit proposed technology provides false sense security , encryption devices built capabilities breaking encryption , prevent criminals use strong crypto , step outlaw strong crypto q devices exportable \? devices use government hardware \? voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure appropriate use devices optimist believed new administration leave export controls strong crypto devices \? ok , i'm american , 's business , could n't resist comment whole plot looks 's , americans , fight rights regards , vesselin p time david sternlight pop claim new system great vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center , university hamburg tel 49 40 54715 224 , fax 49 40 54715 226 fachbereich informatik agn pgp 2 2 public key available request vogt koelln strasse 30 , rm 107 c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de 2000 hamburg 54 , germany
garfield cs mun ca \( adam benson \) subject windows 3 1 slower using dos 6 \? \? \? \? summary according norton si computer slower windows lot slower keywords windows win dos organization cs dept , memorial university newfoundland lines 5 adam benson mt pearl , nf garfield cs mun ca
jim jagubox gsfc nasa gov \( jim jagielski \) subject quadra scsi problems \? \? \? lines 34 reply jim jagubox gsfc nasa gov \( jim jagielski \) organization nasa goddard space flight center noah apple com \( noah price \) writes article shelley u washington edu , tzs stein2 u washington edu \( tim smith \) wrote attention mac quadra owners many storage industry experts concluded mac quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data used devices , including ultra modern devices although name devices , since fault 's fine , would name experts try track \? knows quoted written scsi director n't sound right n't quadras use \? , mac nothing scsi timing 's handled chip yup 's i'm kinda curious scsi problems 've encountered due cabling 've tried calling corp either gotten response huh \? yep nah would expect damaging state ment like would data back anyone want 's phone number \? jim jagielski 's gonna stiff say , jim jagubox gsfc nasa gov 'hey ! lama ! something , nasa gsfc , code 734 4 know , effort ! ' greenbelt , md 20771
john chung dartmouth edu \( john chung \) subject pb 's organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 10 x posted internews 1 0b14 dartmouth edu hi , i'm market internal color video adaptor pb 145 wondering anyone used adaptor made mirror , tell feel speed compatability \? might also interested boards etc , board please e mail opinion thanks advance john
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 13 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu cup holders \( driving enough undertaking \) cellular phones mobile fax machines \( see \) vanity mirrors driver 's side ashtrays \( smokers seem think 's fine use road \) fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) subject kind loving god ! ! news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 29 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 1993apr15 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote laws written israelites remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike jews wo n't agree , malcolm jews ks \? \( ex people , language , religiously , politically , \) mean jews god 's chosen \? malcolm , please , , set word wrap 75 less avoid clutter \? j stephen
ptg2351 uxa cso uiuc edu \( panos tamamidis \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) organization university illinois urbana lines 60 tankut iastate edu \( sabri atan \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , ptg2351 uxa cso uiuc edu \( panos tamamidis \) writes \( nothing greeks problem fanatics met many greeks would n't even talk turkish experience , friends always open greeks \) well , history , wars , current situations , help well , panos , mr tamamidis \? , way put turks bear responsibility things happening today hard believe somebody trying objective well , put things historical perspective , turks moved area , inhabited greeks history two nations started centuries ago since , continuous battle two nations perspective ca n't see say greeks responsible happened two nations course , would reasonable argue hostility drag till kick turks area n't going happen , best would improve relations two countries golden exists cyprus things ca n't work , n't possible way could work nations comes conflicts like countries cannot blame one side , always bad guys sides anatolia ww1 anyway \? think right \? always avoid discuss things consider waist time besides , said , want open new flame saying conflicts started one side aggressive ither always suffering sad \( \) still trying compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks come turkey thought positive attempt make relations better thought smart move receive money greek tourists bet week 200 , 000 tourists greece turkey one leave least 1 , 000 go figure means economy kept visa requirement , many greeks would bother visit turkey \? greeks mentioned would n't talk educated people never met know ! bad person turkey politics business , business turks comes individuals hatred \? come extrapolate limited personal experience err think 'd get reasonable conclusion tankut atan tankut iastate edu panos tamamidis
u96 vaxc stevens tech edu subject sale ! ! lines 26 organization stevens institute technology sale ! ! ! 's good condition , used one year 25 mhz intel 386 52 mb hard disk super color vga monitor 2 button mouse 1 44 mg floppy disk drive software microsoft dos 5 0 microsoft windows 3 1 microsoft works windows 2 0 borland turbo pascal 6 0 borland turbo c 3 0 dos i'm asking 1499 system send e mail interested
distribution world kris fourd com organization 4th dimension bbs subject stylewriter ii question lines 13 read article swii one thing puzzles article says swii serial device mean 'll unplug modem time want print something \? \? \? printer port mac also serial interface imagewriter ii kris system fourd com phone 617 494 0565 cute quote computer means never say 're sorry
mrl uiuc edu \( \) subject seeking amplifier circuit reply bitnet \( \) organization materials research lab lines 17 would like able amplify voltage signal output , preferably factor 100 1000 resulting voltage fed easily personal computer based adc data acquisition card might anyone able point references circuits \? seen simple amplifier circuits , sure well work practice case , 'd like something amplify sufficiently nicely used \( say , degrees accuracy better \) pointers would greatly appreciated !
schludermann sscvx1 ssc gov subject rfi art clutchless shifting lines 18 nntp posting host sscvx1 organization superconducting super collider laboratory i'm wondering anybody else clutchless shifter \? 've self 200 , 000 miles , current toyota truck 've got 150k 've heard people talk damage transmission experiences suggest otherwise techniques use \? old pieces junk drove , transmission worn pumping clutch way shift , except clutchless date 've driven rabbits , , comets , fords chevy harder others shift generally higher milage smoother quicker easier shift technique ease back throttle time gently wrist back shift lever reason miss shift window , lightly press accelerator try agian 've found clutchless shifting quicker high rpms \( 4000 7000 \) also skip gears times using 1 3 5 , 1 2 4 5 krispy
joel z code com \( joel reymont \) subject xsun finding default font \( 1 \) organization internet lines 20 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu hi , netters ! 've built x11r5 pl 21 solaris 2 1 've used multi screen patch , well r5 sunos patch everything builds great , except error message xsun gives upon startup says cannot set default font path ' stuff deleted ' cannot set default font supply fp option , n't complain font path still complains font usr lib place distribution lives could somebody help \? joel joel reymont ! z code software corporation ! e mail joel z code com redwood hwy , suit b 50 , san rafael , ca
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject many mris \? reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 15 article access digex net kfl access digex com \( keith f lynch \) writes , scans expensive , done reduce expense \? n't box big magnets , radio transmitter , attached pc \? magnets huge ! good mri sets big \( 1 5 tesla \) magnets cost millions dollars , radiologist wants 400 reading scan gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
peter insane apana org au \( peter tryndoch \) subject what's exactly lines 32 's exactly mm martin datacomm ucc okstate edu \( martin \) mm organization oklahoma state university , stillwater , ok mm sort lamp little glass bulb found inside starter \? mm sort reminds neon lamp starters appear open mm ohm meter little lamp either neon mm series mm mm seen things life , never read really good mm description happening inside little know bi metallic strip \? case two strips different metals bonded together , heated bend one side \( check blinker globe christmas tree lights \) turn power , causes bulb work like neon , heating shorting , thus providing loop power heaters main tube tube fires , insufficient current runs starter keep heat bi strip \( c \) btw , thought nothing small neon , one day neon sisters digital \( flip metal squares type \) clock broke \( flimsy leads \) , replaced one starter well powering made bit mess clock ! cheers peter
marka amber ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double stan organization ft lauderdale , fl lines 30 article apr 13 01 04 21 1993 686 athos rutgers edu dsegard nyx cs du edu \( daniel segard \) writes seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) asks objection celebration easter \? objection naturally way phrase easter \( ishtar \) pagan whore goddess fertility celebration resurrection jesus , thinking perhaps ressurection sunday think tsk tsk much argument non issues ! i'm roman catholic seems people celebrate easter christmas rather relates jesus n't really care diety people definition easter , 's business n't let interfere easter resurrection sunday 8 \) come \? people celebrate easter bunny , 's business infer different rules christians jewish descent \? happened neither jew greek , slave free , male female , one christ jesus \? 've always curious jesus important jews \? thought thought prophet \? 's true celebrate easter \?
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 distribution na lines 54 eager hear legal theory behind restricting exchange cryptographic data encrypted messages , given first theory behind regulating personal encryption one 's personal thoughts feelings seems even less perhaps make treaty , say , iceland , restrict crypto paraphernalia good end run around constitution happen \( treaties someone pointed force law land like bill rights \) amendment 1 congress shall make law respecting establishment religion , prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech , press right people peaceably assemble , petition government redress grievances amendment 2 well regulated militia , necessary security free state , right people keep bear arms , shall infringed amendment 3 soldier shall , time peace house , without consent owner , time war , manner prescribed law amendment 4 right people secure persons , houses , papers , effects , unreasonable searches seizures , shall violated , warrants shall issue , upon probable cause , supported oath affirmation , particularly describing place searched , persons things seized amendment 5 person shall held answer capital , otherwise infamous crime , unless indictment grand jury , except cases arising land naval forces , militia , actual service time war public danger shall person subject offence twice put jeopardy life limb shall compelled criminal case witness , deprived life , liberty , property , without due process law shall private property taken public use , without compensation well least minutes privacy grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
rlister cti com \( russell lister \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) organization comprehensive technologies int , inc lines 49 ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) writes microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? microsoft think everyone \? venting steam ! problem first , thought video driver made sure current drivers , problem evident svga resolution modes n't help bit experimentation , determined problem existed standard vga resolution mode much less noticeable mouse older ms serial version bought second hand 1990 worked fine dos dos based graphic applications guess problem resolution mouse , borrowed new mouse \( ms bus model \) tried solved problem , mouse old , may want try replacing newer one sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications 406 hfac brigham young university provo , ut 84602 \( 801 \) 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu russ lister rlister cti com well connected ! uunet ! ! rlister comprehensive technologies int'l inc , arlington , va
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( \) subject flames question keywords roberts flames organization university waterloo lines 22 article ice ccu umanitoba ca ccu umanitoba ca \( timothy \) writes heard little back gary roberts would returning play calgary 's last regular season game anybody confirm \? \? 'll big help flames playoffs may change playoff pool strategy roberts played last night game sharks got goal \( \) assist definitely bolsters calgary 's chances playoffs life happens actuarial science making plans descartes uwaterloo ca university waterloo
ultb isc rit edu \( c l \) subject turbografx 16 system sale distribution na organization rochester institute technology lines 24 nntp posting host ultb gw isc rit edu sale nec turbografx 16 video game system package includes base unit power supply , tv , controller , games keith courage alpha zones one extra controller let 's hook many 5 controllers original packaging , manuals , etc items games tv sports football , alien crush , , current market price system approximately 130 asking price 75 system purchased january year , seen little use since interested , contact via one methods signature file ! chris , rit \( \( visit rochester , new york money 1 priority \) \) home world 's largest usenet ultb rit edu \( \( collection potholes ! genie c \) \)
mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( martin johnson \) subject hi volt battery keywords capacitive discharge organization university illinois urbana lines 13 need small battery powered hi voltage capacitive discharge supply deliver 6 250 volts implies cap built satisfactorily operating version , like idea using 6 single source part seems ubiquitous camera flash circuit want , cant get mine apart without breaking would appreciate receiving circuit description source one already looked several electronics circuits avail thanx martin johnson uiuc edu mind business , first us coin
kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( thomas redmond \) subject 6700 hail damage record \? originator organization delco electronics corp distribution usa lines 34 article 1993apr21 cactus org , boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes article 1993apr20 pencom com stecz pencom com writes article 1993apr19 cactus org boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes 90 integra hit hard 3 25 hailstorm austin , tx insurance company cut check 6600 \( 100 deductible \) last week record \? anybody else settlements hailstorm yet \? craig rumor guy dell computer miata totalled , would 10k guess either top , hail ripped top , could 10k worth hail damage miata body craig john stecz pencom com constitution grants right life , liberty , pursuit happiness attempt guarantee everyone happy volvo owner 3000 dollars worth improvements looks car hail \)
gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) subject making copy video tape summary go video organization arizona state university lines 14 article cup hp com , pi cup hp com \( paul \) writes think go video dual cassette machines direct tape tape copy transfers macrovision copy find one , would worth try go video machines used mode copy even macrovision go video phone number \( 602 \) 998 3400 ask sales department since state arizona go daylight savings time , effectively pacific time zone allen sullivan designing various stuff go video
neuralog neosoft com \( neuralog \) subject compiling sun4 411 organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 lines 27 article 1993apr20 907 aio jsc nasa gov mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov writes article andrew cmu edu , wilson andrew cmu edu \( \) writes piece x code compiles fine pmax , pmax mach , well sun4 mach , whenever compiles sun4 411 , gives undefined ld errors sin cos pow floor get wmshellwidgetclass get applicationshellwidgetclass following libraries linked lxaw lxmu lxt lxext lx11 makefile generated imake template anyone give pointers i'm missing compile sun4 411 \? well , first 2 easy need math library try adding lm lx11 n't know 's whole problem 's start think try linking usr lib libxmu instead lxmu least solved problem !
uts mcc ac uk \( simon marshall \) subject compensate photographic viewpoint distortion \? reply marshall dcs hull ac uk organization manchester computing centre , manchester , england lines 42 hi problem , i'm certain i'm solving correct way wondering anyone shed light , point right place look x ray imaging camera metallic tube cylindrical hole passing right angle tube 's axis image x ray source screen metallic tube know source screen centre distance , radius tube , radius hole calculations based image hole screen however , calculations mathematically highly complex , must assume object 's hole projects image \( resembling ellipse tube parallel screen \) centre screen however , unlikely object placed conveniently firstly , must transform major minor axis ellipse cannot know angle tube screen assume parallel transformation \? transformation \? secondly , distortion image due screen planar \( source screen distance increases move away centre screen \) compensate ellipse 's axis image distortion \? , please anyone give us pointers \? transform image appears would centre screen , deal distortion due shape screen \? 'd appreciate help , either posted emailed thanks advance , simon simon marshall , dept computer science , university hull , hull , uk football n't life death 's important bill email marshall cs hull ac uk phone 44 482 fax
matthew phantom gatech edu \( matthew deluca \) subject nuclear waste organization dorsai grey captains lines 15 nntp posting host oit gatech edu article 844 rins ryukoku ac jp rins ryukoku ac jp \( william reiken \) writes ok , creation oil producing bacteria \? figure make eat make shit comments \? sure keep using oil \? hydrogen electric economy would likely cleaner efficient long run laws supply demand get transition underway reach critical stage shortage matthew deluca georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject possible canadian wc team \? nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 17 nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes centers mark messier , n rangers messier invited due nagging injuries press made issue , attempted link internal political woes , mike keenan repeated messier personally msg press conference makes sense messier would probably declined invitation made publicity gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject books sale ! ! ! nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 25 someone please buy books ! ! ! ! ! asking much ! ! ! ! ! ! make offer probably take ! ! ! ! ! writing good software fortran , graham smith holt handbook kirszner mandell \( copyright 1986 \) 720 page writing guide general chemistry principles modern applications , r petrucci , fourth edition big book ! good condition ! solutions manual chemistry book paperback study guide chemistry book paperback send offers via email 02106 chopin udel edu sam 02106 chopin udel edu
oulu fi \( heikki \) subject di boxes work \? reply lancer oconnor wpi edu 's message 15 apr 93 15 02 28 lines 38 organization university oulu , dept ee , finland article lancer oconnor wpi edu lancer oconnor wpi edu \( lewis \) writes i'm sound couple bands around need direct input boxes keyboards little boxes take line level keyboard transform low z run mixer sadly cost like 50 \( \) i'm going need like 5 10 ! looked inside one \( belonging another band \) looks like transformer anyone plans building \? perhaps 's electronic projects musicians book \( hell time tracking \) \? easy way solve problem use two op amps form balanced low z output , solution provide isolation keyboard \( whatever plugged \) mixer tight demanded hum , snap , crackle pop sounds \( formed ground loops \) tolerated , op amp solution looking ! \( cheap somewhat 10 di box \) sure , craig introduce one di box project guitar player mag years ago \( \) thanks lot ! hope helps email , details wanted lancer wpi wpi edu 0 mein ist ein , mein ist ein heikki oulu fi university oulu department electrical engineering student finland home heart lies , heart lies home \? fish
richard co uk \( richard brooksby \) subject genocide caused atheism organization harlequin ltd , cambridge , uk lines 21 nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu writes snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \( n mozumder \) writes horrible deaths resulted atheism anything else definitely quite horrible deaths result atheists theists perhaps , since i'm bit weak history , somone would like give list wars caused led theists \? thread seems arguing validity religious viewpoint according principle , e atheism religion wrong causes death underlying death rather arbitrary measure validity get epistemology richard harlequin com \( internet \) richard harlequin co uk \( internet \) uk ac cambridge phoenix \( janet \) zen buddhist
uafhp uark edu \( john \) subject engagement ring give summary beautiful gold band 33 diamond clean keywords holmes article moe organization kansas state university lines 3 nntp posting host uafhp uark edu diamond engagement ring gold band diamond 1900 dollars sell 600 dollars appraisal available upon request send e mail uafhp uark edu
subject 2000 years , say christian nunnally acs harding edu \( john nunnally \) kmr4 po cwru edu horus ap mchp sni de fido asd sgi com distribution world organization harding university , , ar nntp posting host acs harding edu x news reader vms news 1 reply livesey solntze wpd sgi com 's message 15 apr 93 23 50 26 gmtlines 67 lines 67 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com writes article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes good question , point world truth better world falsehood world possible say yes , holding jew \( truth \) , , jew , ss guy sit crack open bottle whiskey better grim alternatives present obviously , possible , best alternative seems lie 's values involved , life opinion n't confuse claim morality claim 'i lock think point would actually quite easy confuse objective morality relative morality jon actually , jon , quite true christian people caused objective morality look relative , point original question thread , e toss christianity obviously inconsistent principles \? bear , attempt explain apparent inconsistency least one christian 's viewpoint god exists creator mankind bible claims , pretty well defined concept makes people tick physically , emotionally , etc god objective morality us say , trouble understanding good \( detrimental \) creature created galatians 2 10 mankind workmanship , created christ jesus good works morality , god prepared beforehand well defined design , might walk however , contrary many people assume \( including bible , \) god 's morality cannot completely codified list rules regulations extent , every activity person 's life creates new situation morality must applied never could enough volumes codify god 's objective morality us throughout history , mankind tried reduce morality list rules \( objectivity , please \) old testament , principles specific rules time jesus , principles obscured emphasis men placed rules volumes additional rules made try codify application principles mankind n't comfortable principles reference see matthew 5 jesus explains difference law principles law example , verses 21 22 heard ancients told , 'you shall commit commits murder shall liable court ' say everyone angry brother shall liable court objective morality god gets blurred inept interpretation christians made biggest errors allowed one person group people decide exactly god intended us christians would stay committed seeking god 's instead trying prove already figured , might better job allowing others find god 's objective morality jesus said \( 's fundamental question , \) objective morality john nunnally
gt0463b prism gatech edu \( michael davis smith \) subject real estate sale article hydra organization georgia institute technology lines 71 residential lot sale nice residential lot available approx 1 2 acre size located development called belvedere county , eastern north carolina , north wilmington lot near intra coastal golf tennis located development property belvedere also mar facility lot nearby facilities mentioned lot outright look like get back area anytime soon would like sell reason make offer interested please send e mail gt0463b prism gatech edu mike smith michael davis smith georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! gt0463b internet gt0463b prism gatech edu
subject word printing iig gary marshall wvnet edu \( gary 's news \) organization marshall university lines 39 user word 5 0 using symbols pi , plus fractions , etc document shows screen problems , looks fine tries print iig pi changes upside , several symbols change double quotes bottom character , plus little circles appear words fractions instead spaces happens iig laser printer tried macs two different iig 's prints fine nt ntx laser printers 's wrong \? \? \? thanks help advance , gary gary university computer center 400 hal greer boulevard huntington , west virginia phone \( 304 \) 696 3205 fax \( 304 \) 696 internet gary marshall wvnet edu bitnet gary marshall ucc net gary
cc nctu edu tw \( \) subject hi could join \? organization national chiao tung university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 7 hi anybody known much buy ethernet card mac se \? besides , goto buy buy mail order , brand suitable mac se \( network wire \) thanks lot could anybody tell \? thank
bdown vis toronto edu \( brian \) subject barasso cheap shot master \? organization department computer science , university toronto lines 27 robert angelo pleshar rp16 andrew cmu edu writes watching year \( many teams possible \) , 've really noticed increase tom barasso 's cheap shots year \( noticed increase goaltenders \) look ed belfour also kicked john mclean course n't called belfour kicked gallant wings played couple weeks ago penalty review suspension attacked bob probert previous period penalized 's doubt mind barasso since hextall 's also good likewise belfour bad goes much ! \) ralph brian \( bdown vis toronto edu \)
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts \? organization corporation open systems distribution world lines 37 1993apr5 ringer cs utsa edu sbooth lonestar utsa edu \( simon e booth \) writes article 1993apr2 wdl loral com bard cutter ssd loral com writes sbooth lonestar utsa edu \( simon e booth \) writes sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes already kill people \( death penalty \) , costs even money , could well complain extremely barbaric way justice death penalty right expensive execution \? mean , think rope , cyanide \( gas \) , rifles ammunition arm firing squads affordable , perhaps lethal injection might expensive , case , let 's return efficient methods employed past oh , sure , death penalty fairly inexpensive , trial sentencing run millions unless wanna cut costs skipping trial sentencing murderous little rat bastard matter fact , thinking way make system efficient murderous rat bastards yeah , simon 's rat bastard , 's head attack puppy \) simon tog
clamen cs cmu edu \( stewart clamen \) subject binyamin netanyahu cnn tonight reply world std com 's message thu , 15 apr 1993 13 56 58 gmt originator clamen byron sp cs cmu edu nntp posting host byron sp cs cmu edu reply clamen cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon university lines 15 article world std com world std com \( martin kaye \) writes great interview benjamin netanyahu cnn larry king live \( 4 15 93 \) guy knows talking truely charismatic , articulate , intelligent , demonstrates real leadership qualities agree , wish liked politics stewart clamen internet clamen cs cmu edu school computer science uucp uunet ! clamen cs cmu edu carnegie mellon university phone 1 412 268 5000 forbes avenue fax 1 412 681 pittsburgh , pa 15213 , usa
mart csri toronto edu \( mart \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time lines 36 parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes top 10 list dumbest automotive concepts ever 9 back lights corvette 're sides car ! sure would interested know year \( \) ! n't seem recall car back lights sides , much less corvette suppose could mis interpreting trying say quick comment backup lights mounted side would actually extremely useful people backing parking stalls ca n't think corvettes side mounted backup lights , know saab started using 15 years ago 1975 saab 99 n't , friend 's 1978 saab 99 certainly addition tail light mounted backup lights , another set integrated front turn signal assembly n't remember , saabs vintage enormous plastic growth , size national geographic magazine , sticking front fender , incorporated amber parking lights , amber side marker lights , white cornering lamps \( like american luxury cars \) aimed towards side road turn indicators , white backup lights aimed towards back car selected reverse gear glossy brochure showed front mounted backup lights useful illuminating hazards \( pot holes , kid 's toys , etc \) would run front car wheels turned backing mart l computer systems research institute university toronto toronto , canada m5s 1a4 \( 416 \) 978
tesla mitre org \( peter engels \) subject 2 questions centris 650 's ram nntp posting host engels mitre org organization mitre corporation distribution usa lines 28 article mcguire newsserver utcc utk edu , mcguire utkvx utk edu \( michael mcguire \) wrote article 1993apr16 galileo cc rochester edu , ltd uhura cc rochester edu \( dave \) wrote little luck , could c650 sometime near future , wondering someone could clear two questions 1 speed simms c650 need want \? \( know needs 80ns vram sure main ram \) 60ns 72 pin simms 2 've heard two conflicting stories total expandibility c650 's ram 132 136 megs true \? \( perhaps another phrasing would better 8 meg version come 8 megs logic board , 4 megs 4 meg simm \? \) 2 4mb 8mb case memory soldered board leaving 4 simm sockets open total addressable memory 650 according \( seen several times \) postings dale adams apple computer , 610 650 require 80ns simms 60 ns centris 800 requires 60 ns simms pete
ralph buttigieg z3 fido zeta org au \( ralph buttigieg \) subject commercial point view organization fidonet gate admin fido socs uts edu au lines 29 original szabo techbook com g 'day szabo techbook com 29 mar 93 07 28 , szabo techbook com wrote sc szabo techbook com \( nick szabo \) , via kralizec 3 713 602 sc longer term markets consider terrestrial illumination orbiting mirrors world enviroment disaster system \( japanese already developed plan , called \) although may public good space tourism energy relay satellites ta ralph golded 2 41 origin world sydney australia \( 02 \) 635 3 713 6 \( 3 713 635 \)
bds uts ipp garching mpg de \( bruce scott \) subject news briefs kh 1026 organization rechenzentrum der max planck garching lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host uts ipp garching mpg de mack posted know nothing statistics , significance relatively small population growth rate sampling period small \( end 1371 \) \? small 2 7 per cent annual population growth rate implies doubling 69 2 7 approx 25 years imagine \? people seem able , many deny problem exists , especially countries \( low growth rates , large environmental impact \) iran 's high growth rate threatens things like accelerated desertification due intensive agriculture , deforestation , water table drop similar going california \( year 's rain wo n't save stanford ! \) probably blame current government 's incompetence dropping living standards iran , dr bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer transparent bds aug ipp garching mpg de w gibson
marc comp lancs ac uk \( marc goldman \) subject snes genesis games sale trade organization department computing lancaster university lines 24 following genesis carts sale trade alien 3 global ball following snes carts sale trade jimmy connors tennis super play action football cross system trades fine cheers marc net , one hear scream ! email marc comp lancs ac uk marc computing lancaster ac uk
alee ecs umass edu subject hp calculator 13 lines 13 greetings ! hp 20s forsale comes case manuals excellent condition asking 13 00 interested , please e mail today al
srgenprp sr hp com \( craig stelter \) subject defensive averages 1988 1992 , third base organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 37 dale stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) wrote cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes compiled last five defensive average reports , career das individual players reports stats courtesy sherri nichols players listed descending order comments , players deleted third basemen leius , scott 653 680 0 672 looks good bad 's moving short pagliarulo , mike 631 575 744 0 649 interesting line 1988 figure slightly average 1990 pathetic , 1991 next best year anybody part may mobility 1988 yankees 1990 padres , appear rotten infield 1991 twins , judging leius gaetti , metrodome may good place play third gaetti , gary 616 638 655 632 0 637 apologies n't know i'm talking \) , twins fan , like think good players park sure remember completely , think gaetti played twins '87 world series , '88 \( note 's lowest 4 \) believe next 3 \( least last two \) played angels lots factors make player hate many use dome may ideal , nice comfortably enjoy baseball football even 's snowing raining craig i'm sure company work opinions
elec canterbury ac nz \( chris moseley \) subject building uv flashlight nntp posting host canterbury ac nz organization electrical engineering , university canterbury , new zealand lines 23 jhawk panix com \( john hawkinson \) writes main question bulb get uv bulbs \? need lot power \? etc , etc ones seen fluorescent tubes maybe could find small tube go one hand held lanterns \? one thing friend mine mentioned something near uv light cheaper get actual uv light anyone know referring \? blue lights ultra violet \( definition \? \) goes blue end spectrum people see radio spectrum \( x rays , cosmic rays etc \) possibly could get light fringe visibility \( people false eye lenses see easily , since 's lenses soak uv \) , however since people use uv get things , near blue less energetic , would probably work well , worked \( lecture basic atomic physics fits , electron transitions \( quantum \) stuff
maridai comm mot com \( marida ignacio \) subject refusing divine peace alive prayer \? \( question mary \) organization trunking fixed lines 147 's like refusing 'god 's kingdom one jesus' revelation century , thing old days people refuse believe messengers even alive earth , refuse talking somebody else \? \( paraphrased \) knowledge believers accumulated , would think would enough detect ones opposed man signs , miracles , afraid god \? signs open hearts mind thinking evil \? well , faith god evil \? true peace evil \? true love divine pure evil \? ca n't someone accept god wants fulfillment generous love jesus' never ending forgiveness turn back salvation \? refusing god 's messenger truth \? mother christ \? brings us fears others think say us \? , contrary , could pleasing god \? fears \? fears judged wrong \( wrt mainstream standard right \) \? ca n't tolerate non mockery ridicule us sake peace , love obedience god \? humbling lessons left us martyrs saints \? 'd rather engage never ending bickering disproof 's opinion looking 's mistakes sake arguments , instead communion one body christ makes us go blind truth god powerful people wrote written ages \? faith god limited \? words literature muster \? prevents us going beyond saved extend god 's rich love others \? eyes wide open see continuously sees faith , hope love glorify gives us indications signs miracles \( ordinary common divinely inspired \) everywhere \? n't like atheist agnostic 's view ordinary earth caused anything supernatural \? holy mother comes back remind us must really accept prayer changes course things prayers even wars prevented continues often attitude dear children , days prayed much , hands remained empty hesitate proclaiming needs done prayer , conversion , peace , , fasting , holy mass , living life gospel brings \? \? \? world \? , mother says start family good example live word worry going good use many \? holy mother says fruits , leave lord , worry anything anyone lord although holy mother insist free bow freedom god gives follows surprised say decide god yet , see lived day constantly conveys take life toward god way experience lord behavior pray one time decide saved , talk write god , etc holy mother warns satan \( serpent \) always trying dissuade turn away peace plan prayer \( rev 12 17 , dragon became angry woman went wage war rest , keep god 's commandments , bear witness jesus \) fear hate god 's current messenger true peace , love motherly protector anti christ \? one communism , wars , famine evils serpent brings upon us \? obedient blessed new eve \? mother warns us prepared strong satan \? n't renewed faith , hope , love , peace obedience wherever messenger shared blessings god given good purpose \? choose blind \? fear truth god giving us chance sharing christ 's ever forgetting forgiveness us obedient mother \? mother consecrated task reverse disobedient harm example done ancient eve preparing new eden immaculate heart new eden sanctuary \( womb \) next coming judgement righteous lord , jesus christ lamb bride n't give hand exhaustive job preparing us second coming son conceived without sin bear son god womb \? fear true peace , love renewed faith obedience god mary faithfully brings god 's children \? protecting flock \( rest \) greedy dragon present righteous members son 's coming apparitions miracles resulted worthy belief prayer guidance holy spirit , course , approval church authorities , aware true divinely inspired ones specifically , ones scripture also , lady reminds us recommendation silence prayers speak prayers , able hear god \? allow room answer , speak encourages us \( motherly \) continue exuberant faith , hope love jesus , constantly mere emotions , deep , constant obedience jesus , beloved son acknowledgement need part lives let 's wait last minute renew faith life god wants us live wo n't enough time late nowadays , mary says , pray , pray , pray peace reconciliation , children peace within first promote peace others without peace , fully accept son think 's ordinary lady 's good mother messenger god nice enough share god 's kingdom us son experience mary , assured lamb always succeeds note enclosed quotes latest news number 10 , june , 1991 fr , new mother eden , pure preparing sanctuary true christians cleansing us peace god 's kingdom come bring us loving , protective obedient church may belong one body son , jesus christ , lord go astray perfect completeness pray pray holy spirit guiding us may help strength conquer enemies son prepare us immaculate heart
sage cc purdue edu \( john baker \) subject sale \( bulls vs blazers ! \) keywords good deal ! distribution usa organization purdue university lines 10 pair cost 100 new year ago hardly ever wore n't look right orange blue blade kind \( terminator style \) willing sell 40 first response get also bulls vs blazers game snes perfect condition selling 35 includes instruction manual john sage cc purdue edu
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject public domain circuits commercial applications organization u toronto zoology lines 31 article 1993apr13 wuecl wustl edu dp cec1 wustl edu \( david prutchi \) writes circuits found electronics magazines \( patent disclaimer \) used legally commercial unit \? two issues copyright patent magazine article 's contents copyrighted , may reproduced , translated , etc , without copyright holder 's permission however , cover ideas expressed , form expression copying circuit diagram pc board pattern copyright infringement 's unlikely could stretch copyright far enough claim circuit design copyrighted long draw diagrams lay boards , copyright n't issue patents different author give warning design covered patent \( although would sensible \) fact , 's possible infringing someone else 's patent without realizing ignorance patented status defence infringement , although might reduce damages court would award however unless something seriously novel circuit , almost certainly obvious one skilled art therefore routine engineering patents \( theory \) cover inventions , ideas genuinely new caution lawyer consulting professional would wise significant amounts money stake work one man 's work henry spencer u toronto zoology kipling henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
po cwru edu \( kathleen j kelly \) subject protective gear organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 6 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu second boots oil spots cars particularly slippery parking bikes , good boots help well squid
bobsarv microsoft com \( bob sarver \) subject really rise \? \? \? organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 85 \( emery \) one single historic event biggest impact world centuries resurrection jesus hardly possible , majority people world born , lived life , died , without ever knowing anything christ majority rest world decided emery thinks \( emery \) writers new testament documents convinced jesus really rise dead \? four gospel accounts leaving proofs emery 's rely quoting bible proof circular reasoning , etc occasions already stated many times later generations change , edit , otherwise alter bible fit political gospel accept bible true bible says true , \( fair \) bhagavad gita koran , contradict bible enough said \( emery \) yet reason believe disciples immoral dishonest historic information would lead us conclusion people god fearing people sincerely whole heartedly believed resurrection lord jesus real event gain would lie \? make stand time meant persecution , imprisonment , perhaps even death , biblical account independent proof happening n't besides , simply sincere willing die faith make faith correct muslims dying bosnia right fact willing die islam mean islam correct religion \? \( emery \) history bears persecution christians roman historian , cornelius , asia , 112 , writing nero 's reign , alluded torture christians rome proven people tortured faith prove faith true correct means sincere beliefs willing die believe n't make belief truth 's easy minority religions always suffered torture muslims suffer torture harassment india bosnia today religions harassed china today n't proven anything far \( emery \) suffering persecution meant believer , would quite probable least one supposed conspiracy would come forward confess whole thing big hoax n't believe hoax \( emery \) yet one seems rather reasonable disciples make resurrection sincerely believed jesus actually risen dead especially light sufferings came upon believed followers muhammad firmly believed miracles koran says muhammad performed attacked slaughtered beliefs n't denounce muhammad islam correct , means islam true faith see stupid proofs \?
jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) subject help ultra long timing article dixie 8 v ! 0a organization dixie communications public access mouth south lines 44 wellison kuhub cc ukans edu writes project lap somewhat pain design looking stable ultra long solid state timer want place thing ice shelf measure amount snow fall period six weeks every two weeks , want trip discharge different colored pellets gas pressure across snow digging snow , snow fall amount measured come different color pellets problem trying build timer would stand cold \( 40 degrees \) power source would n't drain looked xr timers standard dual timers , thier temp specs wo n't go low also , two weeks equates 1 , 209 , 600 seconds per firing , means one big timing cap ! found 2 2 farad \( yes , farad ! \) caps working voltage 5 volts small size fooling around analog job \? single chip micro crystal job reliably easily 8748 costs 5 1 crystal 're business embed whole thing foam insulated blanket , power solar cell , use excess power heat assembly day rely insulation hold heat darkness n't want try thermal management , contact someone like icl cut special low temperature crystal 'll cost 20 use single chip micro , 're looking parts count maybe 7 processor , crystal , two caps crystal , power fet fire solenoid flyback diode battery fewer parts build analog timer infinitely reliable add power zener diode \( heat \) solar cell parts count screams 9 pd assemblers available common single chip micros application trivial could even look op codes programmer 's guide create binary hex editor john john de armond , wd4oqc interested high performance mobility \? performance engineering magazine \( tm \) interested high tech computers \? marietta , ga send ur snail mail address jgd dixie com perform dixie com free sample mag need usenet public access atlanta \? write info dixie com
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject seventh century armenian math problems nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 24 article flop engr orst edu koc rize ece orst edu \( koc \) writes problem 1 father told following story famous wars armenians persians , prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds three times single month attacked persian troops first time , struck half persian army second time , pursuing persians , slaughtered one fourth soldiers third time , destroyed one eleventh persian army persians still alive , numbering two hundred eighty , fled nakhichevan , remainder , find many persian soldiers massacre answer \( 1 1 2 1 4 1 11 \) 280 1760 thought implication prince destroyed one fourth remaining persian troops second round , 1 11 remaining third round would mean answer \( 1 1 2 \) \( 1 1 4 \) \( 1 1 11 \) 280 821 333
kjell hut fi \( kjell \) subject driver panasonic kx organization helsinki university technology lines 15 distribution comp reply kjell hut fi nntp posting host sandman cs hut fi greetings ! looking pro win 3 1 printer driver panasonic laser printer kx \( sure order first letters name , numbers right important \) found drivers panasonic printers , think drivers available model included grateful help ! kjell hut fi kjell hut fi kjell vipunen hut fi
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject eco freaks forcing space mining article aurora 1993apr23 1 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 28 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes besides line horse puckey mining companies claimed told pay restoring land strip mining still mine coal midwest , n't look like moon done pat aint talking large even mining companies talking small miners , people employees \( \) people go every year set thier box , mining semi old fashion way \( okay use modern methods point \) talking guy year , sets tent beach \( beach washed away last year \) sets box goes mining know large corps , alaska gold company , might complain opinions learn local bs table original thing idea way get space mining allow eco freaks thier way done mineral development ca n't many places ca n't go bathroom woods without form regulation covering michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
nimbus com \( jim \) subject electronic odometers \( used bmw question \? \? \? \) reply nimbus com \( jim \) organization nimbus technology , santa clara , ca usa lines 32 article news duke edu klg mc duke edu \( kim greer \) writes wondering anyone shed light electronic odometers remember total elapsed mileage \? kind memory stable reliable enough , non volatile enough independent enough \( outside battery power \) last say , 10 years , life vehicle \? i'm amazed anything like could expected work length time \( especially light gizmos work good work 2 months without breaking somehow \) \( clock \) 512 bytes lithium battery backup battery life 10 years operation installed car could left powered continuously draw much current battery would used auto battery dead removed side question legal ramifications selling used car replaced odometer starts 0 miles , say 100 200 300k actual miles looks like fraud would fairly easy price new odometer , say however many miles want tell buyer california line transfer ownership form states odometer mileage correct incorrect required fill know \( \) correct mileage lie form caught prosecuted buyer sue value mileage differential faster horses younger women older whiskey money !
beach cis ufl edu \( kerry todd johnson \) subject army space organization univ florida cis dept lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host beach cis ufl edu anybody willing discuss careers army deal space \? graduate , commitment serve army , would like spend space related field saw post long time ago air force space command made reference army counter part info would appreciated i'm looking things like branch intelligence , signal , \? voice interest space \? qualifications necessary \? etc , etc btw , major computer science engineering please reply reef cis ufl edu thanks info whether ever find life , think jupiter considered enemy planet jack handy reef cis ufl edu elm circa ufl edu endeavour circa ufl edu
james edward burns arco com subject super mega automobile sighting \( \) ! ! ! ! ! exotics together ! x xxdate tue , 20 apr 93 00 07 01 gmt organization arco long beach inc x useragent nuntius v1 1 lines 14 article phantom gatech edu graham e thomas , grahamt phantom gatech edu writes alright , beat automobile sighting top one friday afternoon 4 16 93 look window long beach ca see new ferrari looks like mix \( sp \? \) batman car seems ferrari annual dinner place downstairs sweet car j b
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject bullet proof luxury sedans distribution usa organization delco electronics corp lines 51 article senator bedfellow mit edu mtl mit edu \( charles h hsu \) writes interested find domestic car manufacturer \( especially gm ford \) produces bullet proof luxury sedans understand caddy working one , double battery , super high perf engine , gauges , bit , etc , lots communication equipment , works color selection limited though problem guy 1600 penn avenue get \( pres clinton \) \( last time lincoln , time caddy \) wondering called bullet proof \( perhaps reinforced windows , special materials body engine etc \) luxury car lincoln cadillac models readily available public knowledge know gm conversion work things like hot \( e chevy sold middle east \) things like always done third parties , manufacturer maybe need buy specific package everything , perhaps police cruiser package caprice crown vic start go special dealership obtain cars \? would really like hear anyone experience bullet proof cars along armored sts punk pulls nowhere rpg \( rocket propelled grenade \) windshield stopped \) n't think many people net need cars check local armored service companies security bodyguard places 'd know best think average luxury car dealer coronary told 'll take blue caprice , options \( fuzzy dice \) , \( power everything \) , \( armor \) information regarding dealers market shops bullet proof lincoln 's cadillac 's greatly appreciated may email mtl mit edu post message newsgroup believe netters might interested well btw , information mercedes benz , bmw , lexus , infiniti luxury sedans needed well believe article conversion process appeared car press within last months spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 different kind disclaimer
warsaw athena mit edu \( daniel \) subject cds 6 organization massachusetts institute technology lines 29 distribution usa nntp posting host alfredo mit edu following cds sale 6 plus postage cds perfect condition michael bolton time , love tenderness paula abdul forever girl taylor tell heart lionel composer elvis presley 18 number one hits bobby greatest hits super hits 70 's \( includes yellow river , rose garden , good times , help make night , mr , sweet mary , one line , put hand hand , stay awhile , woodstock , silver bird , ai n't got time anymore \) new fashioned love songs \( import \) \( includes extended remixes dance mixes following know waiting franklin george michael , walk like egyptian , live mental anything love alison 'll alright without journey rain jones dreams reo shake gregory abbott fight two fires paul young falling love miami sound machine away johnson \)
msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) subject public awareness \( text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption \) organization new mexico tech distribution na lines 50 article rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes think accident comes philosophy government rules controls people , people controlling government , unconnected citizens sophisticated enough know best , government must tell people need need know best idea defend government eavesdropping unlawful attack totally unacceptable people outlook combine pushing national identity cards encode anything please \( internal passport \) guise state people 's health care system , \( certain \) yet come , one sees extremely ominous trend 1984 ten years late still turning amazingly accurate prophecy unless lot people wake , hurry one always every red warning light bell danger flag come government seeks set apart regard rights , etc unconnected citizen \( saying instead \? \) average person good , secure system data security , dependent nebulous maintaining security \? average person able defend agency gone rogue \? 0i sure feds could break data really wanted \( would take work \) , using logic , one allowed good safe , unless duplicate key \( \) combination submitted government \? n't really see difference , philosophically encrypted data sure wo n't , high tech tools tape recorder average today seems think government able eavesdrop everyone \( else \) opinion polls show people belive bill rights grant much freedom people , identified \( btw , anyone knows cite , 'd love \) mean people willing give everyone \( else 's \) rights , n't even know bill rights actually says show average person \( average usenet reader \) people actually rights \? many people n't care government taking control us , little time sort awareness government trying majority us population think could accomplished many trust , , whatever media government tell
andyh chaos cs brandeis edu \( andrew j huang \) subject changing oil self organization brandeis university lines 16 article 1993apr15 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) writes take electrodes amp ohm volt meter whatever connect one earlobe , insert fingers spark plug boots cheating guys ! hands must used ! couple questions technique first , firing order use \? start pointer finger pinky \? left hand right \? secondly , two cylinders unaccounted suggestions \? andy
jchen wind bellcore com \( jason chen \) subject lh workmanship nntp posting host wind bellcore com organization bellcore lines 28 article tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) writes article 1993apr15 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes visited ny auto show , saw two lh cars floor eagle vision dodge intrepid competitive price unfortunately , workmanship quite disappointing cars , rubber seals around window door fell turns seals big grooved rubber band goes pressing single data point , draw line want dr bart childs , professor , texas dept computer science wrong got two points , 100 sample space show floor previous quote , guess may line \? pastor 's late model corolla father 's 1987 stanza demonstrated falling door seals problem unfair may seem , difference chrysler toyota chrysler needs prove build quality cars toyota afford make small mistakes without hurting image , door seal failing 6 year old stanza comparable problem brand new jason chen
veronica informatik uni dortmund de \( olaf \) subject problems rose organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 28 distribution world reply veronica informatik uni dortmund de nntp posting host veronica informatik uni dortmund de anyone work rose card \? problem certain crashes card disappears system , lets crash mac okay , n't use card quite like one , simulate errors 68000 every instruction specified registers masked , eg simulate stuck 1 error certain bits normally , crash instance rose notices crash , sets flag stops working reading mentioned flag mac notice card crash works fine almost crashes , said , sometimes card n't set flag disappears system documentation rose tell us anything behavior crashing , moment trying understand analyzing assembler code , 's frustrating lengthy , anyone help \? please reply via email , n't read group department computer science iv university dortmund , germany e mail veronica informatik uni dortmund de beginning god created adam ahem ! atoms atoms hydrogen
mchaffee dcl nxt07 \( michael chaffee \) subject compact lh sedans \? organization university illinois urbana lines 33 cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( carolinafan uiuc \) writes shoppa caltech edu \( tim shoppa \) writes thought v 10 originally designed truck \( necessarily pickup ! \) sort dropped viper 's frame fit available friend mine saw \( heard \) viper , friend 's first response sounded like truck ! sounded fine , , n't like noise modern sports car engines make btw , viper saw moving , like cars 10 freeway heading east la friday afternoon looked really nice , though actually , impression v 10 viper v 10 dodge developing new always thought exhaust system engine produced noise car \? well , yes , exhaust majority noise comes , basics \( tone , firing cadence , etc \) determined engine configuration case viper , yes , discussing huge 90 deg engine , sound somewhat like truck understanding , btw , v 10 engine designed originally intention ad either trucks viper 've heard \( first hand knowledge \( \) 's pretty good job best exhaust sound world always 60 degree dohc colombo designed v 12 period michael chaffee mchaffee ux4 cso uiuc edu email mchaffee sumter cso uiuc edu nextmail sig construction excuse
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject fj1100 1200 owners tankbag suggestions wanted organization university east anglia lines 14 martenm chess ncsu edu \( mark marten \) writes looking new tank bag , wondered , follow fj1100 1200 owners , could make suggestions , worked already file apologize asking gladly accept flames blown way ! 've got tankbag fj1100 , ai n't good 's difficult fix securely cos tank fairing layout , also bars full lock bag touches handlebar switches , get horn full left lock starter motor full right ! ! buying another think 'd go magnetic one
cislabs pitt edu \( stephen brener \) subject japanese scientists engineers organization university pittsburgh lines 101 intensive japanese university pittsburgh summer university pittsburgh offering two intensive japanese language courses summer courses , intensive elementary japanese intensive intermediate japanese , ten week , ten credit courses equivalent one full year japanese language study begin june 7 end august 13 courses meet five days per week , five hours per day flat rate tuition charge 1600 per course fellowships available science engineering students contact steven brener , program manager japanese science technology management program , university pittsburgh number address interested individuals encouraged apply , limited university students new program announcement japanese science technology management program japanese science technology management program \( jstmp \) new program jointly developed university carnegie mellon university students professionals engineering scientific encouraged apply classes june 1993 january 1994 program objectives program intends promote technology transfer japan united states also designed let scientists , engineers , managers experience japanese proceed technological development extended internships japanese research facilities laboratories provide participants opportunity develop long term professional relationships japanese counterparts program design fulfill objectives program , participants required develop advanced language capability deep understanding japan culture , jstmp consists three major components 1 training japanese language several japanese language courses offered , including intensive courses designed language preparation scientists engineers relatively short time 2 education japanese business social culture particular placed deep understanding cultural educational basis japanese management approaches manufacturing information technology courses available variety departments throughout universities including anthropology , sociology , history , political science moreover , conducted , field trip japanese manufacturing research facilities united states scheduled 3 internship study mission japan upon completion language cultural training pitt cmu , participants opportunity go japan observe , participate management technology internships japan generally run one year however , shorter ones possible fellowships covering tuition language culture courses , well living expenses available information application materials contact steven brener susie brown jstmp carnegie mellon university , university pittsburgh pittsburgh , pa 15213 3890 forbes telephone \( 412 \) 268 pittsburgh , pa fax \( 412 \) 268 telephone \( 412 \) 648 fax \( 412 \) 648 interested individuals , companies institutions respond phone mail please inquire via e mail please note directed grads professionals , however , advanced considered , funding us citizens permanent residents us steve brener
smith anu edu au \( michael smith \) subject desktop rebuild datadesk keyboard \? organization australian national university lines 17 nntp posting host 150 203 22 65 reply mirsky hal gnu ai mit edu 's message 15 apr 1993 19 35 58 0400 datadesk mac 101e keyboard similar problems found holding right hand shift key startup work \( disable extensions \) , left hand shift key wo n't \( unfortunate , since left one one instinctively reach \) similarly , trained hold right hand pair command option desktop rebuilds irritating cheers , michael michael smith smith anu edu au mathematics research section australian national university
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject hebrew labor racist connotations nf id n cdp 000 1777 nf cdp uucp ! cpr apr 23 15 18 00 1993 lines 37 center policy research cpr subject hebrew labor racist connotations hebrew labor hebrew labor concept served zionist movement long time double barreled message 1 \) new jew must learn physical labor , e working land 2 \) land country must pass jewish hands , e new jew learned work aspects two concept hebrew labor racist connotations one hand , diaspora jew 's lack training physical labor myth shared zionists antisemites hand , meaning practice displacement arab farmer source livelihood occupation cheap palestinian labor occupied territories factories , , hot houses israel relegated myth hebrew labor history books memories zionist movement forth anew , however , government 's answer problems caused closure territories today concept two functions 1 \) give progressive look closing palestinian population words environment minister yossi sarid , tears get rich cheap labor 2 \) furnish answer unemployed israeli complains obliged work wages lower unemployment insurance receives israeli government considering plans import labor far east replace native people , palestinians , work country , thus creating conflicting interests two ethnical communities ruling
ptorre hardy u washington edu \( phil torre \) subject circuit cellar ink address \? organization university washington , seattle lines 2 distribution na nntp posting host hardy u washington edu summary address phone number subscriptions \? cci still published \? , anyone address \?
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject seventh century armenian math problems keywords philosphy , greece , persians , math organization p center regional studies lines 366 quantum magazine , march april 1993 pages 42 46 problem book anania shirak ancient peak ararat centuries come like seconds passed yuri years ago journalists interviewing celebrities liked ask books would take go space flight \? though number books allowed trip varied 10 30 , depending type spacecraft interviewer , celebrities people varied tastes , ages , professions , one dared say would want take least one book arithmetic problems people certainly excluded kind literature trained humanities nothing scorn numbers \( though secretly afraid \) others clear puzzle books masters difficult branches modern mathematics n't mind saying world hear n't know solve mere arithmetic problems professional mathematicians exception 's russian mathematician alexander , specialist statistics , wrote arithmetic willingly confess time fifth asked help solve arithmetic problem , hard work , sometimes failed completely course , like friends , could easily solve problem natural algebraic route constructing equations sets equations supposed avoid using algebraic analysis costs ! way , 's fact well known oft repeated , rule , neither high school graduates , students teaching colleges , teachers beginning careers \( , must add , scientific researchers \) solve arithmetic problems seems people world able solve fifth grade teachers , i'm insisting book arithmetic problems included anyone flying space sense justice recommend one particular problem book , one satisfy taste supply food thought sufficient relatively short flight moon extended space voyage say , venus back one road took books brought road kingsley glanced royal astronomer 's book saw bright cover group shooting revolvers god knows kind stuff leads , thought kingsley royal astronomer looked kingsley 's book saw history herodotus good lord , next 'll reading , thought royal astronomer fred , black cloud book i'm talking n't big , 24 problems constitute 24 elegant seventh century armenia naive wise time , rich striking detail bright period , problems reminiscent famous monument armenian architecture , church island lake van \( turkey inseparable image armenia elegant letters armenian alphabet , invented , songs , paintings edition incredibly beautiful problems long bibliographic rarity published title problems solutions vardapet 1 anania shirak , armenian mathematician seventh century \( translated published orbeli , , 1918 \) abundance close observations wide ranging information way life customs remote epoch anania shirak lived worked actually rendered disservice problem book many years book known researchers humanities specialists armenian history guarded treasure would n't let anyone see even , research k p , learned monk father , j orbeli , , v k , others brought works anania shirak light scholarly circles , general reader remains ignorant existence remarkable problem book vardapet anania shirak fell love art calculation , thought philosophical notion constructed without number , considering mother wisdom anania shirak among ancient armenian thinkers , vardapet anania shirak stands breadth interests unique mathematical orientation work works preserved addition problems solutions , following tracts found special place estimation scholars weights measures , theory , armenian geography seventh century \( authorship last work long attributed another outstanding thinker ancient armenia , \) autobiography , anania shirak say , anania shirak , studied science armenian land learned holy scripture intimately , expression psalmist , every day illuminated eyes mind feeling lacking art calculation , came conclusion fruitless study philosophy , mother sciences , without number could find armenia neither man versed philosophy books explained sciences therefore went greece met man named well versed ecclesiastical works told forth armenia 2 lived famous mathematician , went person spent six months soon noticed master science certain fragmentary facts went constantinople , met acquaintances told go far , much closer us , trebizon , coast pontus 3 lives byzantine vardapet tyukhik full wisdom , known kings , knows armenian literature asked knew answered saw many people traveled long distances become learned man indeed patriarchate constantinople , , traveled us , bringing many young persons become tyukhik heard , expressed gratitude god , thirst slave went tyukhik st eugene explained come received graciously said praise lord sent learn transplant science domain st gregory glad country learn lived armenia many years youth ignorance vardapet tyukhik loved son shared thoughts lord bestowed upon blessing completely assimilated science number , success fellow students king 's court began envy spent eight years tyukhik studied many books translated language vardapet collection books secret explicit , ecclesiastical pagan , books art , history , medicine , books title \? word , book tyukhik gift holy spirit translating sat translate something greek armenian , struggle translators , translation read work written language originally tyukhik told achieved vast learned armenian language young , said , lived trebizon , court military chief , long time , throne served military man armenia learned language literature one attack persian troops greeks , wounded escaped antioch lost possessions praying lord heal wounds , made promise prolong life , shall dedicate collecting knowledge lord heard prayers recovered went jerusalem , alexandria rome upon returning constantinople , met famous philosopher athens studied many years returned homeland began teach instruct people years philosopher died finding replacement , king sent tyukhik invited assume teacher 's position tyukhik , citing promise made god move far city , turned offer wide leaning , people came streaming countries study , insignificant armenians , learned powerful science , desired kings , brought country , supported one , obligated industry , god 's help , prayers blessed educator one efforts problems solutions half one sixth one nine ninth books printed one fifth one two hundred eighty fifth rag paper one forty fifth one eight hundred fifty fifth , forty five copies dutch paper , find many copies printed imitation anania shirak latin proverb says \( books fate \) fate problems solutions anania shirak quite amazing manuscripts anania 's book preserved , according armenian historians , ancient medieval armenia manuscripts guarded invaders , like weapons , , like one 's children time , manuscripts lay , renowned ancient manuscripts \( institute ancient manuscripts \) hour finally arrived 1896 learned monk father used two manuscripts publish problem book , introduction commentary 1918 book translated russian , edited , , iosef orbeli , prominent scholar \( later member academy sciences ussr \) translator 's words , problems anania amusing , full life , simple orbeli goes say subjects problems generally taken everyday life scene predominantly homeland shirak surrounding countryside , , named , local princes , including , contemporary anania like ancient authors , anania shirak used , fractions 1 necessary write fractions 1 , one represent sum \( see epigraph \) like true work art , problems anania suffer terribly read originals \( albeit translation \) full glory let 's open anania 's problem book gift across ages problems 1 8 relate armenian uprising persians 572 problem 1 father told following story famous wars armenians persians , prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds three times single month attacked persian troops first time , struck half persian army second time , pursuing persians , slaughtered one fourth soldiers third time , destroyed one eleventh persian army persians still alive , numbering two hundred eighty , fled nakhichevan , remainder , find many persian soldiers massacre problem 8 famous armenian uprising persians , zaurak kamsarakan killed , one armenian 4 sent envoy persian king report news envoy covered fifty miles day fifteen days later , learned , zaurak kamsarakan sent riders pursuit bring envoy back riders covered eighty miles day , find many days took catch envoy problem 18 mentions vessels made varying amounts metal russian translation , called dishes original armenian , according orbeli 's note , dishes first second instances called mesur , third instance common armenian word , mesur encountered armenian literature anania 's problems solutions problem 18 tray house melted made vessels metal one third made mesur one fourth , another mesur one fifth , two one sixth , two two hundred ten , made bowl , find weight tray several problems reflect caucasian anania 's time instance , problem 7 problem 7 , capital along bank river , saw school fish ordered net cast caught half quarter school , fishes slipped net ended looked , found forty five fishes , find many fishes temptation great present 24 problems 'll restrain offer one problem 20 provides interesting information wild animals inhabited armenia one time long mention even reference books wild donkey , according generally accepted view , never armenian lands yet anania shirak offers evidence contrary problem 20 hunting preserve kamsarakan , ter 5 shirak , base mountain called artin one night great herds wild donkey entered preserve hunters could cope , running village , told arrived brothers entered preserve , began killing wild beasts half animals caught traps , one fourth killed arrows young , constituted one animals , caught alive , three hundred sixty wild killed , find many beasts start massacre set type , iosef orbeli biography could squeezed framework bibliography k , iosef orbeli anyone lucky enough hold copy \( 1 n small printing n solution epigraph previous section \) russian translation anania shirak 's problems solutions , thin book pages , probably noticed variety fonts , borders , high quality design , printing , binding great attention detail characteristic works fulfill requirement degree problem book indeed kind diploma professional maturity man created advertisement end book reads book december 1917 printing offices russian academy sciences , iosef orbeli text also , laid , borders various circumstances prevented carrying project end final pages book typesetting neither first profession renowned iosef orbeli , later became director museum also orbeli already become acquainted famous academic printing house , founded known scientific world rich collection fonts preparing publish corpus ancient inscriptions preserved walls armenian churches , orbeli found necessary create new font would preserve unique signs complicated work done g \( unfortunately entire set letters destroyed blockade world war ii \) orbeli came printing offices academy sciences , times hard way publish newly translated problems anania orbeli learn typesetting \( always attracted printer 's craft \) 1922 orbeli became director printing academy sciences even retired , remained champion russian academic back earth book definition exhaust important works domain editor hopes guilty incompleteness read lines , stung shame , work , collection like , least monograph v introduction russian translation solid body symmetry r knox gold let 's imagine time space flight everyday thing , high spend breaks astronauts training crater far side moon maybe one space travelers take copy quantum , another , looking shoulder , read article say anania shirak seems like pretty interesting guy get home 'll try find problems good luck , young friend ! anania sure entertain perhaps n copies problems solutions hope printed created iosef orbeli 1 vardapet \( \) means teacher learned man armenian \( armenian language suffers english dual scheme thus , often rendered , , \) 2 fourth armenia one fifteen provinces , according armenian geography seventh century , called great armenia divided 3 pontus \( pontus \) old name black sea 4 members one several ancient armenia 5 ter title heads sovereign royal families ancient armenia david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troops p center regional studies armenian border , ca n't p box 382761 even explain 1915 \? cambridge , 02238 turkish mp , march 1992
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject islamic genocide organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 21 k , pick former yugoslavia instead say problems caused communism , n't really matter guess religious leaders calling end , , ca n't religiously motivated despite fact christians carve crosses dead muslims maybe want land maybe something else want maybe cross accidental n't know looks suspicious likely tragic situation bosnia combination ethnical religious motives , religion one attribute separates groups must agree sad saga bosnia terrible example case religion helping , instead used weapon humans sympathies mostly bosnian side , looks like serbs , willing use even christianity weapon former friends cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
jd zorro tyngsboro us \( jeff derienzo \) subject bike sale , usa keywords wicked cool organization , tyngsboro , lines 15 've recently become father twins ! n't think afford keep 2 bikes 2 babies babies staying , 1 harleys going 1988 883 4000 mi \( hey , wife 's bike \) , chain secondary , laced wheels , , tachometer , saddlebags supports , bar , se high flow air cleaner dark candy red 3700 jeff derienzo jd zorro tyngsboro us
apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu subject phils , nl east weak distribution world organization georgetown university lines 16 love people blaming phillies success weak division n't look record teams division \( read inter divisional play \) , 'll see east really kicking shit west know early , go atlanta strong 188 ba , cincinnati 2 7 coming sweep veteran 's stadium philadelphia , houston swept 's first three games phillies , western division friends , shows three best teams division may strong think ! ! phils way '93 braves hit like aaa club reds need marge bob
mark ocsmd ocs com \( mark wilson \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 \( silly \) organization online computer systems , inc x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 20 mark cartwright \( markc emx utexas edu \) wrote well , 42 binary , would forget answer question life , universe , everything else quote douglas adams round way course question yet discovered discovered \( sort \) question 7 times 8 \? arthur dent objected , unfortunately , factually inaccurate , effort discover question begun last effort , believe , likely take far longer lifespan universe , fact several ! mark wilson , online computer systems 1 800 922 9204 1 301 601 2215 \( try email address mark ocsmd ocs com \) file disclaims everything signed signature , mean !
craft camp clarkson edu \( neal miller \) subject trying view pov files nntp posting host craft clarkson edu organization clarkson university lines 31 sage cc purdue edu \( brian \) writes article 1993apr11 ornl gov ednobles sacam oren ortn edu \( edward nobles \) writes 've trying view tga files created povray diamond speedstar 24 video board \( 24x \) far convert jpeg using cjpeg view cview displays 8 bit color i'm looking way convert view 24 bit univesa \( uvesa31 zip \) dvpeg viewer n't get anything perhaps setting univesa properly \? anyone ideas please feel free enlighten want see darn things real color image alchemy \( aka alchemy \) view tga files pov outputs format think also convert 's shareware , 's probably available ftp somwhere netland yep alchemy works fine dac , think remember reading displays 15 bit course , 's still 32k colors nothing sneeze use v flag neal miller go mad \? craft camp clarkson edu clarkson university ford prefect dark craft camp clarkson edu
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject 17 monitors organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 10 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu sony 1604s 17 monitor n't see lines across screen using non interlaced mode lines see hear 800x600x256 1024x768x256 modes switch back anything less would buy another sony ever price oh ya guess 15 viewing area n't impress one bit ! sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
europa tomcat raleigh ibm com \( welch bryan \) subject warranty extension credit company applies computer \? distribution usa nntp posting host tomcat raleigh ibm com organization ibm , research triangle park , north carolina lines 36 article mll cup hp com , staggers cup hp com \( ken staggers \) writes yang \( yang titan ucs umass edu \) wrote , , credit card companies offer double warranty one year , namely , make purchase credit card , get additional warranty one year apply purchase computers \? wonder anyone used catch \? thanks advance post results big computer purchase one key points ability use american express card read fine print double warranty policies amex citibank visa sure , allow double warranty computers , citibank maximum claim 250 00 could imagine trying get monitor mother board fixed 250 00 \? amex limit claims remember , use amex , must either send copy warranty info 30 days purchase , must call pre register send paperwork within 90 days purchase \( pre register pak arrived today \) citibank visa requires pre registration ken talked rep mastercard regarding maximum claim , notify warranty item needs repair ca n't repaired , get amount paid curiously though , gold mastercard limit 1000 claims definitely upgrading card \) bryan bryan welch amateur radio n0sfg internet europa vnet ibm com \( best \) , bwelch scf nmsu edu everything perish save love music scots gaelic proverb
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject thoughts organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 12 article bissda 4 734849678 saturn wwc edu bissda saturn wwc edu \( dan lawrence bissell \) writes arguements uses summing book whether jesus god know many n't believe , listen different perspective something gain listening others say read faq first , watch list fr weeks , come back read books matter order view first benedikt
davpa ida liu se \( david partain \) subject candida albicans \? originator davpa organization department computer science , university linkoping lines 11 someone know recently diagnosed candida albicans , disease find information apparently something body 's production yeast time highly allergic yeast anyone tell \? thanks david partain davpa ida liu se ida , university link work phone 46 \( 013 \) 28 26 08 581 83 link , sweden telefax 46 \( 013 \) 28 26 66
rolandi hssc scarolina edu \( walter rolandi \) subject italy next domino fall \? organization usc department computer science lines 13 hagenjd wfu edu \( jeff hagen \) writes good two party system bring italy efficient , accountable government yeah , like us walter g rolandi usenet rolandi andy hssc scarolina edu internet rolandi hssc scarolina edu
ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) subject freemasonry southern baptist convention organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 20 reply ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , jluther cs umr edu \( john w luther \) says john good quote complete article \) nothing personal , please ! \) also appreciate amused determined ignorance without taking anything away , want say views views ! n't think n't care ! sorry seemed different serious stuff sense humor though \( say \) tolerance ! tony
phew gu uwa edu au \( patrick hew \) subject color pict spinning earth organization university western australia lines 22 nntp posting host mackerel gu uwa edu au conrad edu \( acs \) writes sorry wrong place post net earlier year came upon something called color pict spinning earth assuming animation sequence earth 's rotation \( revolution always get mixed \) time found would even support color graphics n't bother get pict fairly nice system cant find pict ! anyone help please post e mail thanks advance eric \( conrad edu \) likewise please first time 've hear , 've looking something like past months patrick hew 2nd year science engineering university western australia phew tartarus uwa edu au phew mackerel gu uwa edu au
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject shipping bike organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 14 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , manish uclink berkeley edu \( manish \) says someone recommend ship motorcycle san francisco seattle \? much might cost \? hmmmmmm put butt seat follow road signs \? dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject gun like american express card lines 131 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio , thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes gun clubs member borrow weapons \( suprised \? \? \) supposed train 22 6 months , start anything bigger drivers licence forgot usa land cars getting one scandinavia \( northern europe \) easy average time 20 hours training , cost rather think acceptable car toy , bad drivers tend hurt others \( really bad , get ! \) abuse goverment seems one main problems harder gun control would abused goverment \( ! \) either little paranoid \( offence \) get new goverment \( elections \? \? \) unfortunately , elections , , bought promise voters money , vote guns 'n criminals weapons used criminals today stolen known criminals buy weapons , 's one points gun control convicted felons may legally purchase firearms gun control strict whole scandinavia \( europe \) , dont problem smuggled guns know lived , gang robbed joint us army got several hundred , ammunition , handguns explosives left two years later , clues mixing weapons things use one meant cars kill , guns ! someone said guns 'd ban cars , n't think argue one \) issue \( hope \) think agree criminals main problem guns problem , way used \( \? \? \) uses problem crime , u , big deal criminal 5 years murder credit time served \( jail , waiting trial \) 12 months , worst case would put criminals , especially violent ones , slam true sentences , crime would drop instead , reward good let early , early think discusion interesting think \( ex \) weapons , 's rigth , use kill \( innocent \) people problem humans , guns serbs , croats muslims killing almost since invention guns old women throwing stones un trucks hatred goes beyond reason 50 murders done axes , would impose regulations say ment used trees , axe problem , 's \? \? \( example , n't flame exactly 50 killed guns \) yes , problem user question back \( since one rational ones \) gun crime stop , would support dropping gun controls \? think situation los angeles people buying guns protect good situation \? \? rigth way deal problem \? \? believe , experience , police \( including national guard \) could would protect unless want argue human right protect , right thing would suggest defense mob throwing bottles rocks , also likely armed stolen firearms \? everybody buys guns protect criminals \( neighbor guns \) think happen \? \? \( mean everybody gun usa \) criminals would move scandinavia \? \? \? \) average criminal would look less hazardous job , rest would likely buried county expense n't flame northern , gun control works \( england \) usa one reasons ira bomb innocents \( something throwing stones glass houses \) personally , criticize fools send money ira make ireland free course , last thing ira wants , lose power england pulls 's another group n't flame \( three \? \) children either u roughly 20 times major sporting events u k many riots sporting events last year \( playing field \) \? word never used sports fans guess 's different cultures thing comes \( guns even peace \? \? \) \( yes ! \) yes question , problem one many guns \( mostly army \) enough \( defend \( numbers crime rates restrictions shot guns police \) \( understood one sorenson \? \? \) last word responsible gun owners problem , affected want protect citicens disarming responsible gun owners solution yet , exactly hci proposing dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
bclarke galaxy gov bc ca subject first bike \? \? organization bc systems corporation lines 8 article andrew cmu edu , james leo belliveau jbc9 andrew cmu edu writes serious motorcycle enthusiast without motorcycle , put bluntly , sucks really would like advice would oh ! second thought posting ed green ! bruce clarke b c environment e mail bclarke galaxy gov bc ca
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject dc 1 way future organization express access online communications , greenbelt md usa lines 20 nntp posting host access digex net read article computer technology stated every new computer technology actually lower slower replaced silicon less effective products available gaas less capable silicon multi processors slower existent single processors argument , though new technologies promised either theoretically future higher performance lower cost higher densities think dc 1 may g fit model elv 's certainly launch weight ssrt , ssrt offers prospect greater cycle times lower costs kind speculative posting , thought 'd throw framework interested project pat
bnr ca \( tracy \) subject 17 monitors nntp posting host organization bell northern research x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 33 tony catone \( catone compstat wharton upenn edu \) wrote article c5geh5 n1d utdallas edu goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) writes oh yeah , read another newsgroup t560i uses high quality trinitron tube monitors \( sony 1604s example \) extra cost comes also high bandwidth comes , fantastic image , large image size , etc , etc 's also two annoying lines across screen \( one third , two thirds \) come 2 lines result high end trinitron tube , 2 wires found 17 trinitron tubes \( e g , mitsubishi 17 , sony 1604 , etc \) 14 sony tubes , 'll find one wire level annoyance purely subjective i'm happy t560i n't even notice lines t560i uses trinitron sa tube , viewed complete tube , larger diameter standard trinitron tube results flatter screen 17 monitors using standard trinitron \( vertically flat horizontally flat surface \) , apparently ability provide tighter beam focus , , , karl tracy e mail bnr ca fax 1 613 765 consultant opinions ph 1 613 765 ` ' ' ' bell northern research , p box 3511 , c , ottawa , ont , k1y 4h7 ` '
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject jemison star trek organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon lines 7 saw newspaper last night dr mae jemison , first black woman space \( 's physician chemical engineer flew endeavour last year \) appear transporter operator star trek next generation episode week may 31 's hardly space science , know , 's interesting doug loss
megatest com \( ha nguyen \) subject changing oil self organization megatest corporation lines 22 article 1993apr14 progress com damelio progress com \( stephen d'amelio \) writes bmoss grinch sim es com \( brent woody moss \) writes could take screw driver hammer start punching holes various locations black slippery stuff starts pouring would know oil drain plug nearby \( within foot two anyway \) close holes toilet paper oil though refill engine oil ! wow , wonder ca n't get engine last first oil change n't forget punch holes radiator , spray nice refreshing water engine keep nice cool \) steve gee , really make confused radiator \? located \? look like \? release radiation \( since sounds like tion tor \) punch holes \?
\( sean garrison \) subject wfan nntp posting host berkeley kstar node net yale edu organization yale university lines 11 article news udel edu , philly ravel udel edu \( robert c hite \) wrote wip took two best sports jockeys , jody macdonald steve fredericks dude ! nuts \? wfan second none jody mac 's exit quite loss , think fredericks fan much one , 're pretty skewed sean
wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) subject fast organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 22 article armory centerline com jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) writes light highways texas \? funny , everywhere else 've light 'em junctions texas pretty much edge case ca n't assume everywhere roads good condition , flat terrain , wide open spaces ai n't well , let 's see , personal experience 's nevada , new mexico , texas , wyoming , utah , south dakota , nebraska , minnesota , montana , florida , parts nobody said let 's go town drive 130 main st could n't go fast passes highway parts really expensive cars driven fast crap , , well , crap wr
xsoft xerox com \( jeffrey \) subject week lines 16 x received usenet pa dec com id mon , 5 apr 93 11 54 26 0700 x received inet gw 1 pa dec com id mon , 5 apr 93 11 54 25 0700 x received xsoft xerox com \( 13 242 72 2 \) alpha xerox com smtp id mon , 5 apr 1993 11 53 13 pdt x received \( 13 242 56 32 \) xsoft xerox com \( 4 1 smi 4 1 \) id mon , 5 apr 93 11 53 00 pdt x received \( 4 1 smi 4 1 \) id mon , 5 apr 93 11 53 06 pdt x misc forsale usenet week rent must use july best offer ! ! week traded anywhere world \( hawaii , austria , far east , u etc \) interval international answer questions , help trade \( paperwork phone numbers order \) contact jeff com 415 813 \( daytime leave msg \)
cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com \( frank benson \) subject serdar organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu go back school jerk proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet ! bu edu ! alphalpha ! pro angmar ! cosmo
dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) subject gateway 2000 ati lb problem lines 37 nntp posting host gray cc utexas edu organization university texas austin lines 37 article jmgree01 starbase spd louisville edu , jmgree01 starbase spd louisville edu \( jude greer \) writes wondering anyone problem gateway 2000 486 33dx vl bus system ati graphics ultra pro lb computer resolution 800x600 , everything fine , whenever use 800x600 \( windows , autocad , gifs \) screen gets 1 1 2 inches shorter top bottom screen 3 4 bar black screen n't cut , everything smaller space aspect ratio manually change v size back , pain ass , n't happen anyway 've called gateway numerous times n't able help two different times sent new card , times new card n't work computer even tried bill first card n't get back couple days , told phone would wait 2 weeks billing card customer support different story , anyone problem , please let know know hell , let know n't solution , know i'm one problem thanks advance jude greer jmgree01 starbase spd louisville edu p already tried going mach 32 install program manually set ting card n't work whenever try increase vertical size 800x600 screen , starts cut top bottom maybe monitor problem mentioned swapped cards , monitors perhaps could dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman utxvms bitnet
static iat holonet net \( joe ehrlich \) subject bmw moa members read ! organization holonet national internet access system 510 704 1058 modem lines 19 oh boy , little k bike versus 2 \? grow ! goes ! hope dump campaign works however think crook , suprised taken long anything done \( though obviously , ai n't yet \) hand , i'm sure want bed wackos running throwing 20 oo rathole might effective sending club would n't get anything , n't get anything magazine say \? ever since moa installed lacked sort panache may ah , would know \? 6 k bike static moa
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject really rise \? \? \? organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 14 two historic facts think important \( 1 \) jesus n't rise dead , must done something else equally impressive , order create observed amount impact \( 2 \) nobody ever displayed dead body jesus , even though jewish roman authorities would gained lot \( would discredited christians \) michael covington internet mcovingt ai uga edu artificial intelligence programs phone 706 542 0358 university georgia fax 706 542 0349 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
subject cubs mailing list andrew dark side moon uoknor edu \( chihuahua charlie \) distribution usa organization ou academic user services nntp posting host loopback uoknor edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 14 lines 14 anyone running chicago national league list \? , please send information andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu thanks ! chihuahua charlie ou responsible academic user services anything anywhere , university oklahoma except one andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu incident 200
mvs sas com \( shaffer \) subject seizures \( infantile spasms \) nntp posting host mvs sas com organization sas institute inc lines 16 article 1993apr20 dec com , dufault lftfld enet dec com \( md \) writes reason i'm posting article newsgroup 1 gather information disorder anyone might recently e \( associated actually disorder \) 2 help find access medical literature associated seizures internet tried e mail bounced back please e mail give someone 's name might helpful might also post message misc kids mvs sas com
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject clinton 's immunization program nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 33 article c5jobh 7zt apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writ es article 1993apr14 122758 11467 magnus acs ohio state edu jlinder magnus cs ohio state edu \( jeffrey linder \) writes article c5fjsl 6is ncratl atlantaga ncr com mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr c om \( mark wilson \) writes news last night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package seems one small item within package going pay free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country already free care go done problem cost , irresponible parents stupid lazy done case n't noticed , clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps excuse sticking nose , parent parents allready children \( especially already free \) , n't deserve one dime tax money health care , public health care service \( know immunization program coming national health care issue slightly seperate issues , anybody would n't help kids , n't deserve tax help \) ryan
klee synoptics com \( ken lee \) subject transparent widgets \? reply klee synoptics com organization synoptics communications , santa clara ca lines 17 nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics com article nec co jp , cerna nec co jp \( alexander cerna \( sv \) \) writes need write application annotation notes existing documents annotation could done several times different people idea something like several transparencies stacked top user see 've seen something like done oclock client could someone please tell xt \? thank much oclock widget written using shape extension widgets current widgets support shape , 'll subclass add functionality ken lee , klee synoptics com
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject desertification negev nf id r cdp cdp 000 272 nf cdp uucp ! cpr apr 26 17 41 00 1993 lines 10 , think bedouin surprised posted article , would happy feedback bedouin readers , cannot judge accuracy article , assumes fabrication critical review would helpful elias
admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) subject spring records organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 26 distribution world expires 5 9 93 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu summary earl weaver commandments pitching staff fine exhibition season four shutouts , low team era , \( well , n't gotten baseball news since march 14 anyways \) could contend , yes could win \? maybe fans teams bad spring records , remember earl weaver 's first law baseball \( book managing \) one gives damn july lost game march \) btw , anyone idea contenders 's fifth starter \? 's pretty much set sutcliffe , mussina , mcdonald rhodes first four rotation johns hopkins university blue jay \( , baseball team logo toronto club 's logo 's correct blue jay god , ca n't think original idea \? 's even pose baltimore oriole 's hats many people realize bird really called baltimore oriole \? admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society red dwarf polymorph bangles greatest female rock band ever existed ! sig brought frungy ! sport kings !
hess swt1 informatik uni hamburg de \( hauke hess \) subject xwindows always opaque summary way parent window childs \? keywords xwindow , parent child relation organization university hamburg , germany distribution comp lines 9 hi , wonder possible parent window paint area childs , could possible implement across multiple xwindows select objects displayed one window \? hauke
rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) subject israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines 32 eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu writes ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes think israeli press might tad bit biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda consider israeli reporting events israel propoganda , consider washington post 's handling american events propoganda makes israeli press inherently biased opinion \? would n't compare nazi propoganda either unless want provide evidence israeli inaccuracies parallels nazism , suggest keep mouth shut i'm sick tired anti semites comparing israel nazis \( yes , opinion , compare israel nazis anti semite know damn well n't true trying discredit israel \) ed know ed , 're right ! andi n't comparing israel nazis israelis much worse nazis ever anyway nazis lot good germany , would succeeded n't damn jews holocaust never happened anyway ample evidence given george schafer harvard , dept history , even randolph higgins nyu , shown holocaust semitic conspiracy created obtain sympathy creation israel
nabil ariel yorku ca \( nabil \) subject dear mr ajami organization york university , toronto , canada lines 20 read today two articles dripping hate offence great deal people could find much matching hatred articles found self righteous kill name god people n't know everyone , reaction hatred calls newsgroup , reaction seen experienced learnt judge people say , rather try put place aspire understand feelings hope would able everyone , starting , could able understand feelings act manner would aspire everyone adopt thanks time nabil
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject 've found secret ! organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 15 red sox first place \? eight games season , already two wins clemens viola clemens starts tonight , three days rest 's \? sox going four man rotation \? hesketh used relief last night \? hm cheers , valentine p wrong sox already scored 18 runs two games week reach 25 without trouble still think 's fluke
garrett ingres com subject return know nothing party summary right know nothing news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division lines 32 article wetware com , drieux wetware com writes article organpipe uug arizona edu , ece 0028 bigdog engr arizona edu \( david anderson \) writes article 945 wetware com drieux wetware com \( drieux , drieux \) writes guess one needs know little bible , christianity american history mt st n't spew crap manage , drieux , day day , keep \? \? advocating \? know nothing american history , know nothing bible \? restoration know nothing party \? go easy drieux right every american know nothing anything ciao drieux hands big sea comedy ! hands big sea comedy ! last call wild humour lemmings said anything panicking \? snapped authur garrett johnson still culture shock wait till 've garrett ingres com settled situation found bearings 'll start panicking ! douglas adams
baseball catch fever scd ucar edu \( gregg walters \) subject mathcad 4 0 swap file \? organization scientific computing divison ncar boulder , co lines 119 reposting summarizing , information additional comment long 16mb memory 386sx \( 25 mhz \) , intel math coprocessor , 120mb hard drive 20mb free \( compression \) running mathcad 3 1 , windows 3 1 enhanced mode , 5mb ram drive , 2mb 1mb smart drive , swap file \( permanent temporary \) several months interested faster mathcad 4 0 , concerned reported swap file requirements legitimacy 's claim increased speed 386sx users mathcad 4 0 run without swap file , insist use swap file \? far , response less detailed description setup , unrelated postings , informed answers , net e mail , appear 1 \) fuess llnl gov \( david fuess \) according , mathcad uses swap file extensively physical resources say actually win32s feature figure 10mb indicated minimum might try anyway ! 2 \) bert tyler com \( bert tyler \) i'm certain mathcad culprit 486 66dx2 16mb main memory \( less 2mb ramdisk bit dos session opened part startup process \) , running without swapfile installed win32s subsystem march beta nt sdk , win32s subsystem demanded presence swapfile win32s program 've run date 32 bit version came subsystem gave windows small temporary swapfile \( i'm leery files must remain fixed locations hard disk \) , seems well 3 \) bca ece cmu edu \( brian c anderson \) win32 \? upgraded mathcad 4 0 installed directory win32 windows system upgrade told win32 required 4 \) student tc umn edu \( steven v case 1 \) mathcad 4 0 makes use win32s libraries 've probably heard win32s , 32 bit windows library provides much windows nt functionality \( support threads multitasking \) run windows 3 1 5 \) chem edu \( thomas c rhyne \) also 16 mb ram , indeed mathcad 4 0 insisted permanent swapfile would run otherwise 6 \) bishop baeyer chem fsu edu \( greg bishop \) 3 \) mathcad absolutely requires 4mb ram \( 12mb swap file \) 8mb ram \( 8mb swap file \) give enough memory error swap file less 8mb major resource hog load symbolic processor smart math , takes 5mb ram \( real virtual \) load \( , due win32s libraries seems addition system requirements shown 's advertisement 4 0 , need swap file , possibly big 12mb looks like would need 8mb swap file , would need choose \( \? \) faster permanent swap file , slower temporary swap file apparently win32 subsystem ships mathcad 4 0 much disk space require \? also received answers 1 \) uxa ecn bgu edu \( dale \) 've got 16 megs ram , configure ram disk mathcad \? dos 6 permits different bootup configurations mathcad 4 0 win32 configured use ram drive instead swap file \? , n't see using dos 6 0 alternate bootup would provide windows swap file time back remember discussion issues using ram drive support swap file , thought involved slower , 8mb systems dos 6 0 various reasons yet done full installation way , full installation dos 6 0 required avail oneself alternate bootup feature \? files installation disks required \? 2 \) wild access digex com \( wildstrom \) presumeably , mean without permanent swap file windows needs swap file , create one permanent one n't exist permanent generally faster though n't know mathcad would n't happy either type ver 3 0 program win specification far , 16mb enough ram avoid overhead running swap file running mathcad 3 1 windows 3 1 without one
dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) subject desertification negev organization brown university department computer science lines 12 nonsense lived negev many years say sure beduins moved harmed way contrary , standard living climbed sharply many live rather nice , permanent houses , cars quite students ben gurion university good , friendly relations rest population beduins met would rather surprised read mr davidson 's poster , say danny keren
organization penn state university andrew newell tan102 psuvm psu edu subject free moral agency distribution na lm5 darkside osrhe uoknor edu lines 119 article lm5 darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) says dean kaflowitz \( decay cbnewsj cb att com \) wrote , interested original notion discussing moral free agency , god punish person believing person following nature possible person deny reason tells , god \? think 're letting atheist mythology confuse issue \( webster myth traditional legendary story belief whose truth accepted uncritically \) qualify \? indeed , 's almost oxymoronic rather amusing instance 've found atheists hold almost atheist views accepted uncritically , especially legend many trying explain basic truths , myths , n't meet also divine justice according fundamental doctrines christianity , first man sinned , time accuse referencing mythology , launch xtian mythology \( time meeting requirements myth \) salvation idea punishment based proposition everyone knows \( instinctively \? \) god exists , creator ah , everyone knows god exists fallacy 's nothing terribly difficult well known reasonably biblically literate christian controversy makes true \? holding bible rules controversy \? read faq 've read , missed something , read \( bad suggestion anyone read \) pretend know said means atheists claim know god exists n't know wants , contradict bible clearly says everyone knows authority bible claim repeat wrote sake getting across \? may trust bible , trusting n't make credible bible says everyone knows , 's clearly reason doubt bible , everyone knows alleged god 's alleged existance refuted species wide condemnation justified claim evidence existence god unknown , must deliberately ignore bible ignorance excuse 1 \) , n't ignore bible bible far universally accepted bible proof god proof people thought god \( prove even \? might writing series fiction short stories case \) assuming writers believed , thing could possibly prove believed 's ignoring problem whether interpretations biblical philosophers correct 2 \) people truly never heard bible 3 \) , read faq freedom free ignore god way free ignore gravity consequences inevitable well known cases atheist ca n't accept evidence means bzzt wrong answer ! gravity directly n't stop exerting direct rationally undeniable influence ignore god , hand , n't generally show supermarket , except god n't exert rationally undeniable influence gravity obvious gods n't secondly , human reason concept god , much , , intrinsic nature human reason always comes back question god , every generation , human reason n't always come back existance god usually come back existance god words , n't generally come back xtian god , comes back whether god , much oriental history , generally n't pop idea god much question natural forces ones world wide view , human nature makes us wonder universe came force \( \) currently control natural believe god exists religious wishful thinking said make point christianity eminently reasonable , divine justice human nature much different atheists think whether agree xtianity reasonable religions , 's certainly n't merit divine justice well , seems already believe divinity first , atheists believe things human nature second , whether atheists correct , certainly correct human nature , least , basing views completely approach try looking outside world well attempt sum humanity andrew
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject armenia says could shoot turkish planes \( henrik \) organization p center regional studies lines 93 article 1993apr20 kth se hilmi er dsv su se \( hilmi eren \) henrik quayle kpc com wrote h armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending rights h keep homeland azeris invading h homeland \? first nagarno karabagh armenians homeland today fizuli , lacin several villages \( azerbadjan \) homeland ca n't see great armenia dream \? greater armenia would stretch karabakh , black sea , mediterranean , use term greater armenia use care facist methods like killing , raping bombing villages last move blast truck 60 kurdish refugees , trying escape lacin , city given kurds armenians always azeris end announced winning karabakh removing armenians ! president azerbaijan , elchibey , came power last year , announced would swimming lake july well , wrong ! elchibey going shell armenians karabakh , people pay price ! elchibey going shell karabakh fizuli people pay price ! elchibey thinks get away bombing armenia hills kelbajar , people pay price also seems non azeri minorities azerbaijan understood next line process forced deportation look situation lezgians kurds kurds ! according azerbaijani government , kurds azerbaijan ca n't make minds \? oh see , kurds azeris want kurds ! anyway , 60 kurd refugee story , stories , simple fabrications baku , modified ankara examples armenia border iran , ridiculous story intercepting armenian military conversations appeared new york times supposedly translated somebody unknown , armenian azeri turkish , submitted unnamed special correspondent ny times baku real accurate ! h however , hope armenians force turkish airplane h land purposes searching arms similar one h happened last summer turkey searched american plane h \( carrying humanitarian aid \) bound armenia h , henrik , turkish planes shot questions asked n't speak things n't know 8 american cargo planes heading armenia turkish authorities announced going search cargo planes 3 planes returned 's base germany 5 planes searched turkey content 3 planes \? hard guess , \? sure humanitarian aid facts error shipments kinds turkey either searched , routed confiscated american planes searched , others routed , others untouched rail shipments held last fall last winter entering armenian turkey purpose aiding economic collapse armenia wheat confiscated , shipments exchanged crap dirt , shipped armenia u planes n't use turkish air bases u uses bases bomb iraq anyway , u planes fly georgia , found easier endure unnecessary expressions turkish searches cargo day revealed anything paranoid turkish military search turkish planes \? n't know talking since 's content announced weapons \? well , big mouth ozal said military weapons provided azerbaijan turkey , yet demirel others say wonder confused ! turkey 's government announced 's giving weapons azerbadjan since armenia started attack azerbadjan self , karabag province search plane weapons since 's content announced weapons \? correct , turkish planes simply shot ! nice , slow moving air transports ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troops p center regional studies armenian border , ca n't p box 382761 even explain 1915 \? cambridge , 02238 turkish mp , march 1992
mizar usc edu \( joni \) subject honda accord brake problem organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host mizar usc edu honda accord hit magic 100 , 000 mile mark sorts things beginning go bad latest problem experiencing brakes still stop car fine , stopped completely , brake pedal sink another 2 3 inches feels really strange , worried brakes quit working one days checked brake fluid , reservoir full , fluid looked really dirty \( like dirty oil \) called mechanic told need new brake master cylinder , cost whopping 250 300 wondering anyone experienced sort thing , mechanic honest \? simply need brakes bled new fluid put \? help could provide would appreciated please send replies directly , rarely chance read list post responses interest thanks , joni mizar usc edu
alaa peewee unx dec com \( alaa zeineldine \) subject hamas way death organization digital equipment corp x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 28 nstramer supergas dazixco ingr com \( naftaly stramer \) writes hamas way death \( following transcript recruitment training videotape made last summer battalions , military opposed israel 's many ways death using bombers artillery lebanese towns villages using fire arms lethal variants tear gas rubber coated bullets stone throwers using tanks anti tank missiles homes 5 minute evacuation warning using shin bit 's reasonable physical pressure interrogation counting course past practices bombardment beirut 1982 , bombing egyptian school el abu factory 1978 , downing airliner full egyptian passengers near time overseeing massacre sabra course besides numerous massacres irgun gangs british mandate period ironically op ed page nyt times naftaly copied article running another article next blaming bosnian muslims genocide effectively saying stupid seek independence independence bring people slaughter else would one expect mr never wasted chance bash arabs muslims alaa zeineldine
cs hut fi \( pekka \) subject detecting double points bezier curves nntp posting host cs hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 26 article 1993apr19 kpc com jbulf balsa berkeley edu \( jeff bulf \) writes article ia522b1w165w oeinck waterland wlink nl , ferdinan oeinck waterland wlink nl \( ferdinand oeinck \) writes i'm looking information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve algorithm , literature reference mail appreciated , useful article one 1989 issues transactions graphics believe maureen stone one authors sorry specific n't reference stone , derose geometric characterization parametric cubic curves acm trans graphics 8 \( 3 \) \( 1989 \) 147 163 , detecting inflection points curves computer aided geometric design 9 \( 1992 \) 1 24 pekka
joachim kih \( joachim lous \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 organization kongsberg lines 30 nntp posting host samson kih x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 ulrich galki toppoint de wrote according tiff 5 0 specification , tiff version number \( bytes 2 3 \) 42 chosen deep philosophical significance first read , finally philosphy technical spec still wondered makes 42 significant last week , read hitchhikers guide galaxy , second time \( millions years calculation , second best computer time reveals 42 answer question life , universe everything \) actually picked number 42 \? yes anyone suggestions 42 came \? n't know douglas adams took , i'm pretty sure 's one launched \( guide \) since 's showing place l one thing sure sheep \) \( \) \( \( \) \) \) \( \) \( \) creature earth \) \( joachim kih back masking ii' robert fripp
betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) subject ban firearms ! nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer fan club lines 58 article 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes alcohol banned today , would much difficult manage large scale smuggling operation cops rank narrow notch military communications , intelligence gathering firepower proof assertion ! love ! uh , please explain smugglers also rank notch \( \) military terms communications , intelligence gathering \( e g , fight officials bribe 'll give hundred grand let semi past \) , firepower similar vein , amount marijuana smuggled country greatly decreased value per pound low compared cocaine heroin 's simply worth risk , 's , reefer domestic less pressure domestic producer \( raids notwithstanding \) thus economical note though domestic reefer strong , small volume goes long way cannot make alcohol stronger 200 proof good dollar pound deal 's point \? 're arguing black market works \( , course \) firearms tend fall low dollar pound area wrong way quantify things would concerned value cubic foot go gun show price good quality handguns would economic smuggle production would local many people 's local \? skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures could worthwhile firearm \? hell , anything works ! go get copy army 's 1969 munitions manual see easy make functional firearm obtain imported uzis , average person , average thug , would lucky get zip gun would pay nose paying 10 inconspicuous parts local k mart nose drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights , outlaws rights spook fodder fema , nsa , clinton , gore , insurrection , nsc , semtex , neptunium , terrorist , cia , mi5 , mi6 , kgb , deuterium
jcj tellabs com \( jcj \) subject proof resurection organization huh \? whuzzat \? lines 22 article apr 21 03 26 18 1993 geneva rutgers edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu writes also cannot fail note intense suffering devastation wrecked world christians certain following christ strict obedience innocent women burned alive accordance shall allow witch live , moslems killed crusades , god fearing men destroyed religious wars spain , france , england , etc christianity undoubtedly caused suffering needless loss life individuals whose following instructions therein , much grieve agree gospels jesus advocate actions mention \? could n't find witch concordance something epistles witches \? \( i'm still working way gospels \) jj reference ex 22 18 's witch kj , rsv clh
ac999135 umbc edu \( ac999135 \) subject wanted tg 16 games 2 player organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host umbc edu x auth user ac999135 well , title says i'm looking buy cheap used tg 16 2 player support \( simultaneous \) please email offers price rohit
ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) subject detect use illegal cipher \? organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 25 article 1993apr17 clarinet com brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) writes honour , suspect suddenly started using another level cryptography ca n't tap phone calls must something hide please sign warrant search house would need , though , make sure nobody access decent crypto first place probably ca n't tell voice triple voice get copy key criminal 's going use encryption cover clipper way avoid try prohibit strong encryption probably n't say , could try detect use illegal cypher transmitting clear statistical properties plaintext old fashioned wiretap could detect use pre encryption , would drastically increase measured entropy input would use techniques put voice tell nsa built feature blow mike , observe whether band thugs comes ceiling pgp 2 key finger e mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
bet sbi com \( bennett todd salomon brothers inc , ny \) subject source random bits unix workstation lines 44 nntp posting host application , encrypt real time clock value secret key well , almost solve problem , willing type second password \( secret key \) whenever logged , could work however , i'm trying create solution anyone use , , installed , effortless start non solution using xhost \( 1 \) control access 've got religeous problems storing secret keys multiuser computers good discussion cryptographically good random number generators , check draft security randomness 00 txt internet draft , available local friendly internet drafts repository thanks pointer ! good reading , liked idea using several unrelated sources strong mixing function however , unless missed something , source suggested \( aside hardware rng \) seems available , intruder , unix fresh booted , buffers related network traffic believe solution basically uses strategy , without requiring reach kernel reasonably source randomness output cryptographic hash function \( e g , md5 \) , fed large amount less random data example , running md5 dev mem slow , random enough , source random bits bound 128 bits entropy tens \( hundreds \) megabytes data modern workstation 's memory , fair amount system timers , buffers , etc heard solution , sounded good heard folks experiencing times 30 60 seconds run , reasonably configured workstations i'm willing add much delay someone 's login process approach \( etherfind compress , skip 10k \) takes second two run i'm considering writing end solutions , launches md5 , simultaneously tries suck bits net , net sitting idle ca n't get 10k compression md5 finishes , use md5 way could guaranteed good bits , deterministic upper bound login time , still common case login take couple extra seconds bennett bet sbi com
mnhcc cunyvm bitnet \( marty helgesen \) subject radio free \( dungeons dragons author 's view organization city university new york lines 18 recent discussion dungeons dragons role playing games since lot crossover science fiction fantasy fans , mention editor publisher radio free , christian oriented science fiction christian magazine special interest science fiction science fiction special interest christianity major topic discussion come letters \( , arguments whether satanic people think likely reading rft \) anyway , working april issue send sample copy reader soc religion christian requests printed paper , requests include snail mail address marty helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuny edu thing hypothetical situation \?
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject license plates nissan organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 12 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , marshall wvnet edu \( \) says hi , i'm interested getting list license plate numbers anyone listing 'd appreciate getting copy thanks ! must incredibly bored considered reading phone book \? dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
johng ecs comm mot com \( john gilbert \) subject clipper chip bush organization motorola , land mobile products sector distribution na keywords big bubba watching ! nntp posting host 145 1 147 59 lines 10 article wcs rainier att com wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) writes version defend free speech reject republicans followed speech control must works time bush administration must working quite clinton simply took credit \( blame , depending look \) john gilbert johng ecs comm mot com
bell mars dev promis com \( mike bell \) subject clipper proposal key length \? organization promis systems corp lines 32 danny weitzner djw eff org writes april 16 , 1993 initial eff analysis clinton privacy security proposal details proposal escrow 80 bit key divided two escrow agents , hold 40 bits key manufacturer communications device would required register keys two independent escrow agents key tied device , however , person using subvert one two escrow agents , 40 bit space search 2 40 n't sound big digital telephony subject known plaintext attack \? case half key seems needed , two agent escrow arrangement pointless course , unknown algorithm might turn gaps speech pseudo random sequences , might magic involved , mike bell promis com
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject dc x update \? \? \? organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 35 article 1993apr14 stsci edu rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes question probably mostly allen sherzer , anyone knows would welcome answer wondering could kind update dc x well rolled two weeks ago speak white sands getting ready would called sources latest town \( nm \) future , least 5m next years budget work ssrt \( sdio \) looking funds seem however , sdio \( repeat , \) going fund orbital prototype best hope 1 \) keep alive another year , 2 \) fund suborbital vehicle might \( major modifications \) make orbit also money set prototype tanks projects answer open questions better news comes new spacelifter effort usaf managers program open ssto 50m next year studies would enough bring dc pdr money go dc good case could made spending half dc public support still critical meet congressperson \( 'll help \) get support also call local media ans get cover flight tests allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 62 days first flight dcx
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject pens info needed nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 19 article 1993apr15 ericsson se etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) writes actually , swedish coach curt thinking leaving two spots open additions eliminated nhlers mats sundin calle johansson curt hopes join team , although late stage tournament technically , seem recall leave spots open 24 hrs wc final hmmm also heard grapevine team finland might try leave spot open least one \( guy named sel nne , ever hear \? \) might content kurri , though , hope \) daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject judge , bobby \? lines 31 organization walla walla college lines 31 article kmr4 po cwru edu kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject judge , bobby \? date thu , 15 apr 1993 04 12 38 gmt \( n mozumder \) writes \( tammy r healy \) writes would like take liberty quote christian writer named ellen g white hope said help edit remarks group future set standard make opinions , views duty , interpretations scripture , criterion others heart condemn come ideal thoughts mount blessing p 124 point \? point taken upon judge others god true judge sun starts orbit earth accept bible agree totally ! amen ! stated better less world tammy
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject candlestick park experience \( long \) organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 19 craige sad hp com \( craig eid \) writes things done long time ago , took real businessman \( ex safeway president peter magowan \) figure like used tell checkers , customers n't come back , n't need many checkers n't knock bob lurie competent businessman n't deal much general public interesting article , craig 's amazing hard get baseball teams understand properly market teams treat customers business could ever get away 19th century attitudes current owners display running clubs guess owners look baseball 's high growth rate ask 's necessary bring 20th century business practices game , n't realize much growth game capable much pay terms long term popularity better game fans greg
mlb semi harris com \( marvin \) subject sale nntp posting host mlb semi harris com organization harris semiconductor , melbourne fl keywords sale lines 44 selling sportster make room new excellent condition never wrecked abused always garaged 1990 sportster 883 standard \( blue \) factory conversion kit less 8000 miles branch ported polished big valve heads eagle carb eagle cam adjustable pushrods harley performance mufflers tachometer new tires front rear progressive front fork springs harley king queen seat bar everything chromed ring chain fork oil cooler thermostat new die hard battery bike cover price 7000 00 phone hm 407 254 wk 407 724 melbourne , florida
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow keywords encryption , wiretap , clipper , key escrow , mykotronx article qualcom rdippold organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 11 originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com jhesse netcom com \( john hesse \) writes oh great wonderful news nobody listen except feds anybody get keys escrow company database 's going take plenty updating think keep secure \? please 's primary , secondary sources , police using key warrant would anyone surprised neglected erase key turned could n't nail anything \? pick eyes
kirsch staff tc umn edu \( dave 'almost cursed jays' kirsch \) subject young catchers nntp posting host staff tc umn edu organization li'l carlos hormones lines 60 article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes age 23 alomar brilliant rookie year true , limited injuries sophomore season , numbers year following quite mediocre season bill james projects ba 265 , ops 675 bill james \? say \? sounds like 're suggesting bill james something kid death au fairly critical roy campaign , noting n't world catcher hitter called basically average everyone else media predicting next johnny bench roy campanella young men highly touted defensive catchers , expected among best ever baseball reports read indicate lopez ordinary defensively reports \? dodgers options hernandez , carlos piazza 24 long continues hot bat , keep lineup need offensive production cools , look much better defensive catcher hernandez \( 25 \) play like hernandez lot , piazza catch ball , 've gotta play imho 's much better hitter , although hernandez n't bad hitter right , sounds like piazza catch time hernandez 's caddy since catch long play abilities , dodgers could good catching tandem braves options berryhill olson agree olson nothing special , think berryhill better many people rsb believe braves' catchers good defensively \( calling game , blocking plate , throwing \) although somewhat weak , play team much need another big bat think overrated defensively \( see law catcher defense \) , 's something 's difficult prove disprove viewpoint mine tangible thing look opponent 's sb , 's clouded well pitchers hold runners catchers era possibility , 's subject way many biases team much need another big , disagree braves' armor 're weak offensively several positions \( cf , c , 2b , ss plays , 1b unless bream hunter form another super platoon \) weak defensively blauser plays 'd like see braves give least one mel nieves , lopez jones shot , much like talent rich jays recent years 'll conservative stick i'm saying 's wrong , conservative dave hung like jim acker slider kirsch blue jays '93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes context ! beat dead horse , 's couple o' weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence
boone psc edu \( jon boone \) subject spanky \? organization pittsburgh supercomputing center , pittsburgh pa , usa lines 27 nntp posting host psc edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 mon , 12 apr 93 00 53 14 gmt 1993apr12 5700 mnemosyne cs du edu greg spira \( gspira nyx cs du edu \) wrote anybody pittsburgh area know mike lavalliere released \? last year kept saying slaught get bulk playing time , clearly better player point , leyland insisted keeping pretty strict platoon released \? n't make sense greg , story goes like spanky slow ! quicker , would still slaught tom prince , n't want lose prince order bring 11th pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming along nicely ! n't feel bad 's still gonna get 4 , 000 , 000 next two years 'll able wants jon boone network systems administrator boone psc edu cmu edu pittsburgh supercomputing center \( 412 \) 268 n't speak anyone , unless otherwise stated ! ! ! ! ! !
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject speeding ticket chp disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host florida rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 37 article netcom com , netcom com \( daniel matejka \) writes article agate berkeley edu downey homer cs berkeley edu \( allen b downey \) writes fight ticket california edition david brown 1st ed berkeley , ca press , 1982 second edition \( ucb 's library \) good luck let us know goes daniel matejka writes beat ticket \? personally , think 's duty citizen make much trouble possible , maybe 'll give leave us alone someday soon cop certainly within legal rights nail guessing speed mr brown \( author fight ticket \) mentions oakland judge convicted officer 's testimony driver 's car sounded like driven excessive speed cough choke \? ! \? cop gave ticket sounding like speeding 'd probably show court without lawyer simply sounding like speeding ridiculous found guilty 'd appeal show lawyer cop n't one vascar \( car plane \) radar , , electronic speed measuring device pace i'm within 15mph limit 'd go court accept cop seeing going excessively fast \( like 25 limit \) looked like going 70 55 zone beyond reasonable doubt granted may well lose case 70 55 measured eye \? \? \? take court sure axel
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject iisi clock upgrades organization university washington lines 16 nntp posting host carson u washington edu 've completed successful upgrade si 27 5 mhz i'm waiting delivery 62 mhz clock final speed trial definitely needed heatsink cpu quite hot touch higher speeds glued 90 cent radio shack sink made call reports failures last week reports arrived locally , seattle reported cpu damage due user slipping iron putting board exactly problem due cpu running fast think would nice poll report top speeds system configurations including pds nubus cards used 'd happy coordinate report results guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
fist iscp bellcore com \( richard pierson \) subject liability insurance required \? nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore com organization bellcore distribution usa lines 13 one thing say fault would n't two types ships navy submarines targets ! ! ! 1 xs1100lh dod 956 2 next raise richard pierson e06584 vnet 908 699 6063 internet fist iscp bellcore com , uunet uunet ! bcr ! fist include std disclaimer opinions ! ! ! n't shop malls , buy jeans , jackets ammo store
gilham csl sri com \( fred gilham \) subject poem organization computer science lab , sri international , menlo park , ca lines 145 sophomore \( romans 1 22 \) sophomore says , truth \? '' turns admiration peers modern daring liberating modern daring liberating chant sophomore , american n't know modern skeptical cynical asked , modern skeptical cynical politician \( appointed elected \) happened live two thousand years ago like many politicians cared less ideals results less ends means less anything keeping job \( head \) might call bit brutal though would kinder \( doubt stalin , let nobody go , laughed \) n't like job perhaps longer hoped better \( feared worse , except regarding head \) jews heads win , tails lose brought forth madman , first impulse play roman ``i find nothing wrong , see '' mentioned heart froze killed madman 'd start riot lose job \( head \) saved king jews 'd piss caesar lose job \( head \) wife told nothing righteous n't tell anything n't already figured ``not jurisdiction ! take see herod ! '' \( happened town \) herod appreciated courtesy n't worried sent sharp fool \( suddenly n't much say , funny people lose pressure \) back attire proper royal state ass covered herod problem , caesar certainly wo n't fool king whatever world wants long 's caesar 's letting go , '' said shout \( looks like 'll last one \) crowd 's reaction puzzled really wanted dead n't want king jews , wanted instead \( , josephus records , got \) oh well , thought , look 'll get next time get say ``we king caesar ! '' killing madman , hell , 'll kill ten day pilate fun little joke short point went always someone gets caught gears government 's scientific explanation \( doubt \) rumors \( day \) n't end tomb roman guard sophomore n't know n't recognize kindred spirit \( truth either , admits \) guess n't learned much two thousand years fred gilham gilham csl sri com peace better war 's hell war hell makes sense walker , second coming
freenet victoria bc ca \( toby \) subject accelerator classic ii \? nntp posting host freenet victoria bc ca organization camosun college , victoria b c , canada lines 4 one exist , makes , much \? thanks \)
cbnewsl cb att com \( steven r klinkner \) subject beginner 's rf \? \? \? organization bell laboratories distribution na lines 14 anybody recommend good , application oriented beginner 's reference rf circuits \? pretty good theory know different types modulation mean , n't lot practical experience book detailing working circuits different types \( modulation , power , frequency , legal , , et cetera \) , would helpful thanks steve klinkner bell labs boeing att com att ! boeing !
sean mcmains mcmains unt edu subject rumours 3do \? \? \? x xxmessage id seanmac acs unt edu x xxdate mon , 19 apr 93 15 22 26 gmt organization university north texas x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 lines 83 first thanks filled existence 68070 assumed particular number would reserved enhancements motorola line , rather another company ah , well , guess 's get assume computer industry operate logical manner ! \) article 1993apr16 212441 34125 rchland ibm com ricardo hernandez muchado , ricardo rchland vnet ibm com writes sean , n't want get 'mini war' going say , little bit skeptic performance claiming centris , 'll see \( please , flames , reserve c \) \) chicago last consumer electronics show , apple booth walked , showing real time video capture using \( supermac \? \) card digitize make right spot quicktime movies think quicktime using old one \( 1 5 \) version 1 5 quicktime , stated , current version software older version 1 0 , 1 6 horizon distant future digitized guy talking something played back quite nicely real time guy expanded window \( resized \) \( 320 think \) frame rate decreased enough notice n't 30fps \( 30fps \) anymore dropped like 15 fps increased bit , dropped 10 12 fps quicktime much better job playing back movies size playing back resized movies apparently process expanding frame 's image dithering resultant bitmap appropriate bit depth pretty processor intensive work pretty well showing movies double size , drop 1 9x size increase 2 1x size , performance suffers dramatically asked mac using using quadra \( n't know model , 900 \? \) , telling guys quicktime could play back speed even lcii lied \) quicktime cpu dependent probably confused fact qt locked internal , play amount time machine however , lc drop frames order keep sound video centris quadras similar cpus thus boast similar performance , though quadras bit faster due marginally faster clock speeds somewhat different architecture well , spoiled claim say , since 68040 quadra mac little bit trouble n't even hardisk ! memory ! could saw either newer version quicktime , hardware assisted centris , another software product running animation \( like supposedly macromind 's accelerator \? \) \? expect version quicktime software saw 1 0 using 1 5 one new v1 5 allows video nearly twice size frame rate version 1 0 could handle centris 650 saw plain vanilla , exception nice speakers playing sound , software movie player , qt player apple includes software n't misunderstand , want clarify problem still surprises quicktime able things well sean mcmains check gopher phone 817 565 2039 university north texas new bands info server fax 817 565 p box seanmac acs unt edu e mail denton tx mcmains unt edu
usc edu \( bin \) subject looking address noise cancellation tech organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 14 distribution na nntp posting host sal usc edu new newsgroup appropriate forum ask question looking address noise cancellation technologies rather important help regard , please thank aludra usc edu
g9134255 wampyr cc uow edu au \( coronado emmanuel abad \) subject fonts pov \? \? organization university wollongong , nsw , australia lines 11 nntp posting host wampyr cc uow edu au keywords fonts , raytrace seen several ray traced scenes \( mtv rayshade \? \? \) stroked fonts appearing objects image fonts chars color , depth even textures associated wondering , possible pov \? \? thanks , noel
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject arrogance christians organization university south africa lines 36 article apr 16 23 18 07 1993 1879 geneva rutgers edu phs431d vaxc cc monash edu au writes geologists wrong people warning non existent danger \? analogies push argument far \( sides \) melinda 's assume premises used set respective analogies true thus correct conclusion arise important point note different directions sides come christians believe know truth thus believe right \( duty \) tell truth christians get offended others believe \( self evidently \) truth non christians believe truth get offended \( christians \) claim know truth analogy depend true , question discussion truth arrogance similar analogy might medical doctor believes blood transfusion necessary save life child whose parents jehovah 's witnesses objections blood transfusion doctor 's efforts persuade agree blood transfusion could perceived arrogant precisely way christians could perceived arrogant truth otherwise belief blood transfusion necessary save life child irrelevant matters doctor believes true , could seen trying beliefs parents , could well perceived arrogance steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject invisible god ! organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 14 article 1993apr17 maths tcd ie pmoloney maths tcd ie \( paul moloney \) writes jmeritt mental mitre org \( jim meritt system admin \) writes god seen take away hand , thou shalt see \? god 's \? lunacy ! \( gee , maybe 's something christianity thing maybe god john animal house \) supernatural one wants personal relationship 1 , come quick !
mblock reed edu \( matt block \) subject disks copy protected article reed 1993apr20 230749 12821 organization reed college , portland , oregon lines 36 article sehari marge ecss iastate edu sehari iastate edu \( babak sehari \) writes wondering , copy protection techniques avaliable , effective \? anyone experience area \? highest regards , babak sehari uh oh umm , number copy protection schemes involve modifying physical media , involve encryption schemes , c ones existed course computing successful time recall , however , near monthly releases new ways crack copy protection scheme latest releases fact , none completely secure , anywhere near less difficult crack , already cracked guess saying question difficult , impossible , answer exactly want know \? need good one project working \? secure must \? trying crack one someone else used \? probably make suggestions , assuming activity strictly legal \( general , bad idea , legally , tamper copy protection also lead corruption files necessarily back ups \( copy protected , \) devestating \) absolutely ideas practical applications , merely curious \? please clear questions , 'll try help much incidentally , uh oh top indicative dread anyone watched friends hacking equipment carted feels asked hack area wrought dangers , many include breaking law , least addressing \( one side \) matt
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject dc x vehicle flight test article news organization university illinois urbana lines 34 nsmca aurora alaska edu writes excellent discussion dc x landing techniques henry deleted since dc x take horizontal , land way \? \? dc x take horizontally takes vertically martian landing thing several reasons vertical landings n't require miles runway limit noise pollution n't require wheels wings turn engines touch course , henry pointed , landings n't quite simple missing something n't know much dc x \( overly obvious \? \) well , blunt , yes least 're learning fall earth like russian crafts \? \? parachute soyuz vehicles use parachutes descent fire small rockets hit ground parachutes , however , especially practical want reuse something without much effort landings also comfortable however , words , prefer bruises , sink josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu tout ce est capable , capable de la jules verne
jimb csd harris com \( jim \) subject cache card iisi organization harris csd , ft lauderdale , fl lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host ssd csd harris com article pebi zephyr aem umn edu , pebi aem umn edu \( peter bidian \) writes hi , bought ago cache card w fpu techworks 219 think cheapest ever saw last week , mac 's place applied engineering quicksilver card \( 32k cache , one pds slot , socket fpu \) sale 99 00 \( without fpu \) regular price 199 idea still going , get phone anyone interested \( found ad macuser \) jim \( relation mac 's place except satisfied customer ! \) jimb csd harris com
nmr rug ac subject xtaddeventhandler organization internet lines 29 xpert expo lcs mit edu dear xperts , i'm developing application uses motif slider select image file directory would like display name file corresponding value dragged scale button \( e mb1 pressed \) displays current value scale button actual corresponding image file name , thought using xtaddeventhandler mapping scale value file name xtaddeventhandler \( , , false , , null \) \( \( display , event window , , return \) \) \( , value \) map value file entry directory finally obtain file name open however , move pointer scale widget get callbacks , co null effect mb1 pressed move scale button g wrong \? wrong approach problem \? hints highly appreciated phil
lotto laura harvard edu \( jerry lotto \) subject put helmet organization chemistry dept , harvard university lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host laura harvard edu reply ryan cousineau compdyn questor org 's message 19 apr 93 18 25 00 gmt 19 apr 93 18 25 00 gmt , ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) said cb stupid leave helmet seat cb fall go boom ! ryan another good place helmet mirror \( ! \) kid bad advice helmets two major impact absorbing layers hard outer shell closed cell foam impact layer helmets lose protective properties inner liner time , long outer shell damaged age dr hurt tested helmets many years following landmark study estimated helmet lose 80 's effectiveness inner liner compression video produced discusses phenomenon detail puncture compression type caused mirrors , bars , relatively sharp objects worst offender even comfort liner unaffected , dents holes foam seriously degrade effectiveness helmet habit parking lid mirrors , suggest look comfort liner condition foam significantly damaged \( missing \) , replace helmet jerry lotto lotto harvard edu , , , ama , dod 18 chemistry dept , harvard univ 's harley , 'll ride want
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject camping question \? nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 46 sanjay sinha , 12 apr 93 00 23 19 gmt wibbled thanks everyone posted previous quest camping info another question well , strictly r stuff looking keep coffee hot mean real hot ! course must unbreakable type far , ever metal type wasted money matched vacuum glass type info appreciated sanjay back youth \( ahem \) moi purchased gadget heated water 12v source car use thought 'd try worked ok apart one slight problem keep revs 7000 lower motor would die lack electron movement made interesting cups coffee , anyhow would plot routes contained straights three miles sufficient time get water boiling point sometimes difficult england good luck quest nick \( biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' currently incarcerated bnr , maidenhead , united kingdom npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002
arthur noguerola vos stratus com subject sale old jazz magazines organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 40 nntp posting host m21 eng stratus com following jazz magazines go best offer received shipping included , pretty heavy course local \( mass , usa \) come get 'em person great condition ! ! go one lot break sep 1947 , feb 1948 , june 1948 , nov 1950 , dec 1950 , june 1952 nov 1953 jan 15 , 1947 \( newspaper sized folded \) jan 18 , 1962 , feb 15 , 1962 , dec 19 , 1963 , mar 12 , 1964 , apr 9 , 1964 , may 7 , 1964 , may 21 , 1964 , jun 4 , 1964 , jul 16 , 1964 , sep 10 , 1964 , dec 17 , 1964 , dec 31 , 1964 , aug 26 , 1965 , oct 7 , 1965 , oct 21 , 1965 , dec 16 , 1965 , dec 30 , 1965 , jan 13 , 1966 , apr 21 , 1966 , jul 28 , 1966 , sep 8 , 1966 , dec 29 , 1966 , feb 9 , 1967 , feb 23 , 1967 , jun 15 , 1967 , nov 15 , 1967 , apr 4 , 1968 , aug 8 , 1968 , sep 5 , 1968 , oct 3 , 1968 , oct 31 , 1968 , feb 6 , 1969 , mar 6 , 1969 , may 15 , 1969 , jun 12 , 1969 , jul 10 , 1969 , jul 24 , 1969 , aug 21 , 1969 , sep 4 , 1969 , dec 2 , 1969 , may 14 , 1970 , may 28 , 1970 , jun 11 , 1970 , jun 25 , 1970 , jul 9 , 1970 , aug 19 , 1971 , mar 15 , 1973 , mar 29 , 1973 , may 10 , 1973 , may 24 , 1973 , nov 1985 also toss \( free \) jazz journal \( feb 1979 , apr 1979 \) coda magazine \( jun 1985 , dec 1985 \) arthur noguerola vos stratus com
vms csd mu edu subject next cube board monitor cable \? organization marquette university computer services lines 8 reply vms csd mu edu nntp posting host csd mu edu hi ! quick question could someone please send pinout cable goes next cube monitor \? also , interested video signal \( sync type , vert rate \) information would greatly appreciated also thanks ! ryan brooks ryan mcs mu edu
matt centerline com \( matt landau \) subject looking updated xview textedit source \( w n support \) article armory organization centerline software , inc lines 28 nntp posting host 140 239 1 32 xview version 3 source distribution included contrib section x11r5 included source textedit program 'd like take sources modify add support tooltalk like message server , maybe tooltalk i'm , since sun supplied textedit binary n't seem speak tooltalk however , sources r5 contrib area seem older version textedit version shipped openwindows 3 example , 3 0 textedit includes drag drop support main control area , source contrib xview knows nothing drag drop textedit c included xview sources says 's version 15 50 , dated 5 22 90 , 'what 3 0 binary says textedit c 2 62 91 09 14 copyr 1990 sun micro c 1 26 91 09 14 copyr 1990 sun micro tooltalk c 2 16 91 09 14 copyr 1990 sun micro ds c 1 7 91 09 14 copyr 1990 sun micro , anyone know 9 14 91 sources textedit available \? 'd really like work latest source possible please reply email , 'll post summary 's enough interest matt landau waiting flash enlightenment matt centerline com blood thunder
aludra usc edu \( jonathan barrett \) subject many europeans nhl article aludra organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 15 nntp posting host aludra usc edu rauser fraser sfu ca \( richard john rauser \) writes okay , stretcher remark little carried away point resent nhl owners drafting europeans instead canadians \( americans \) denies young canadians opportunity play north american league instead gives europeans , n't even better hockey players 's hype european mystique sickening , nhl owners get , canadian american players continue fight harder get drafted league according reasonable principle justice standing intimate geographical psychological relations league give one privileged right play \? european
ray netcom com \( ray fischer \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) organization netcom san jose , california distribution usa lines 30 rvenkate ux4 cso uiuc edu \( ravikuma venkateswar \) writes ray netcom com \( ray fischer \) writes 040 486 030 386 020 286 numbers \? kind benchmark \? benchmarks marketing cpu envy ok , make happy , 486 faster 040 architectures nearing end lifetimes especially x86 architecture good riddance besides , 0 wait state performance , 'd need cache anyway mean , uses processor runs speed 80ns simms \? note memory speed corresponds clock speed 12 5 mhz point processor speed one many aspects computers performance clock speed , processor , memory speed , cpu architecture , systems , even application program contribute overall system performance roughly , 68040 twice fast given clock speed 68030 numbers \? look ray fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth ray netcom com lies friedrich nietzsche
bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) subject help construct home built battery 3rd grade sci report distribution usa organization \( n \) organized 's important right lines 32 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 dean anneser \( anneser pwa b uucp \) wrote 9 yr old son signed science report batteries wondering anyone could provide information construct home built battery grade school days , remember seeing cube version , n't remember use good electrolyte easily obtainable metals thank advance dean w anneser pratt whitney aircraft computer system specialist 161 05 \( 203 \) 565 \( desk \) \( fax \) 400 main st ooo \( \) v \( \) uucp uunet ! pwa b ! anneser east hartford , ct live ride internet anneser utc com one test result worth one thousand expert opinions von braun dean w anneser pratt whitney aircraft computer system specialist 161 05 \( 203 \) 565 \( desk \) \( fax \) 400 main st ooo \( \) v \( \) uucp uunet ! pwa b ! anneser east hartford , ct live ride simplest one easy take lemon citrus type fruit , stick pair metal strips contacts two strips must metals like copper zinc connect voltmeter contacts read voltage bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) , , wa rwing ! xpresso ! bill listen xpresso , listen \)
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 18 article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu \( vb30 \) writes 's stankiewicz , stankowitz , 's jewish 's polish \( way , correct pronunciation according stanky , kev itch get wrong \) polish jewish mutually exclusive mark singer mss netcom com
pucc princeton edu subject losing temper christian trait organization princeton university lines 25 article apr 15 00 58 22 1993 athos rutgers edu ruthless panix com \( ruth \) writes one tell tale signs fruits give non christians away net replies , angry sarcastic net village laugh two professed , born christians verbally attack people might otherwise christianity originally joined discussions spiritually hungry instead answering questions sincerity , net warriors , flame queries although certainly agree basic sentiment ineffective , i'm little disturbed formulation ill temper christian trait seems like false argument say anyone displays trait x must christian could well sinning christian , christian nonetheless anger human , christians human christians get angry defensive react badly like everyone else 's perfect righteousness effort seeking righteousness marks dedicated christian one greatest gifts faith seeking accepting forgiveness failures expecting flawless behavior self others n't christianity 's
s106275 ee tut fi \( anssi saari \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization tampere university technology , computing centre lines 16 distribution inet nntp posting host ee tut fi 1993apr16 walter cray com huot cray com \( tom huot \) writes would also like explanation anyone explain sb pro lpt 1 share irq , please think 's simply dos n't use irq anything os 2 , ca n't share irq anssi anssi saari s106275 ee tut fi tampere university technology finland , europe
informix com \( william \) subject toshiba 3401 e p cd rom summary need info difference find e keywords toshiba , cd , cd rom , cd rom organization informix software , inc lines 10 notice toshiba 3401 3 versions , b internal , e external p portable anyone tell difference portable external version \? sf bay area find model p \? thanks , bill william advanced support informix software inc 4100 dr \( 415 \) 926 wk menlo park , ca 94025 uunet ! infmx ! informix com
cheshire oxy edu \( david j \) subject nanao compatible mac video cards \? summary get monitor , drive \? keywords 21 monitor , 24 bit video , macintosh organization programmers say ! lines 15 anyone know nanao compatible popular mac video cards \? get brand new one , cheap , tempted , waste time ca n't drive using standard video card i'm subject , 's everybody 's 21 color monitor 've heard good things nec , course , always reliable old macintosh 21 display , experiences david j cyberpunk software definition happiness famous financial ability indulge every form excess calvin
paull hplabsz hpl hp com \( robert paull \) subject newspapers censoring gun advertisements organization hewlett packard laboratories palo alto , ca x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 17 andy freeman \( andy sail stanford edu \) wrote newspaper ad censorship san fran independent san fran examiner san jose mercury news 1201 evans ave 110 5th st 750 park dr san fran , ca san fran , ca 94103 san jose , ca hmmm , sj merc carries west , national shooting club , reeds , supply big 5 ads sell guns n't adds like shotgun news wo n't least run current adds swear 'll cancel subscription end cash rob p
marc fr \( marc \) subject jb sierra com xlib ms windows xserver ! ! ! organization internet lines 16 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu jb sierra com cc tech staff fr , xpert expo lcs mit edu think may find either quarterdeck \( x \) hummingbird \( exceed \) provide xlib dos perhaps also xlib ms windows \? 's possibility yes , exceed windows version ported games like tetris , works fine si c'est , ce de se le car ce moment la , le xt suis je en train de mon la toolkit c \? marc \( marc fr , marc fr \) computers , communications visions \( \) 82 bd , paris france phone 40 08 07 07 , fax 43 87 35 99
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject fast organization corporation open systems distribution world lines 35 1993apr14 cactus org boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes article umcc umcc umich edu umcc umcc umich edu \( mark hartman \) writes n't know complaining 130 alot us cars easily top go 130 built also handle speed complain join fast fun \? ask speed 130 \? rush driving 130 straight line fine , soon become 's rush corners n't think make clear autobahn , 130 nothing u 99 people judges would label insane difficult persuade people otherwise sure , surface condition good autobahns far better roads dip asphalt test shocks 60 kill 130 n't get wrong , love drive quickly say probe 130 , 's 30 've ever tried cause n't decent enough piece road craig mark hartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo , mi cleveland freenet edu i'm naked school ! bob
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject archie client \? organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 8 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de get xarchie 2 0 instead brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
howland noc2 arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject another question synthetic article news 1993apr6 distribution usa organization nasa science internet project office lines 21 article 1993apr5 porthos cc bellcore com , fist iscp bellcore com \( richard pierson \) writes two years ago went work mechanic emd ge power units \( train engines \) never ever change oil , filters remember seeing large engine oil requirements , one ways life oil run heated un chamber allow water boil made long term usage oil practical n't discovery channel great ! \? ! curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject juggling dodgers lines 26 article netcom com , mss netcom com \( mark singer \) says lasorda lineup pirates friday night , results one might conclude stick changes butler leadoff spot , probably whole season davis wants get speed play 4 4 last night piazza kid everything well well strawberry insists batting cleanup know \? lasorda say , game , 's lineup i'm using i'm batting strawman fourth insists batting cleanup \? true \( note n't think \) , lasorda fired least two reasons 1 \) publicly humiliating players 2 \) knuckling players wishes however , think likely explanation lasorda wanted strawberry bat fourth , hate strawberry bob vesterman
superior \( mike sprague \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization xerox lines 20 solution switch interrupt irq 5 , contemporary computers \( using irq 5 drives went xt \) completly true class later machines , irq5 reserved lpt2 since 's rare second parallel port pc , 's usually good safe choice need interrupt hand , ran problem work gateway computer \( 4dx 33v \) modem com1 , mouse com2 , serial port set com3 \( normally uses interrupt com1 \) real fight board trying use irq5 , problem gateway set com3 used irq5 soon disabled com3 , problems went away several days trying figure interrupt n't work mike \( sprague xerox com \)
weilej rpi edu \( jason lee \) subject need viewer gl files nntp posting host rpi edu reply weilej rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute , troy , ny lines 17 article dux dundee ac uk , cardhu mcs dundee ac uk \( dominik \) writes hi , subject says pd viewer gl files \( x \) \? thanks dominik dominik , tried \? 's several ftp sites \( sure , archie find , i'm sure \) works ok lacks interface jason weilej rpi edu
en ecn purdue edu \( silvio \) subject logitech 2 button mouse bios routines availability \? organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 21 newsgroups comp ibm pc hardware subject logitech 2 button mouse pin bios routine availability \? distribution world organization purdue university engineering computer network logitech 2s 2f \( 2f 2s \) 2 button mouse want interface serial port different \( non ibm compatible \) system mouse xt compatible , db25 connector tried reverse engineer mouse , micro controller inside could get db25 pin , perhaps copy bios routines support , could map target system \? anyone know might get pin bios routines \? routines published someplace convenient \? thanks ! silvio ps please send email directly !
k4bnc cbnewsh cb att com \( john siegel \) subject ca n't set com4 organization distribution usa keywords g2k lines 15 unable get com 4 work diagnostic programs msd show nothing installed think software options ok known hardware conflict workaround cd rom system g2k 486dx2 66 tower ati video card ports set follows board coma com1 irq4 external device internal modem com 3 irq5 port card primary port com 2 irq3 mouse board com b com 4 irq 9 work run boot disk command com eliminate suggestions call technical support \? john siegel k4bnc cbnewsh att com jas hr att com
dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com subject minnesota pitching reply andrew cmu edu nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 4 \) lines 36 date mon , 5 apr 1993 00 19 45 0400 karim edvard ahmed ka0k andrew cmu edu since n't able keep baseball much season , questions favorite team , minnesota twins 1 good rotation look \? last heard , order tapani , , mahomes , banks , guy 've never heard \( sounds pretty pathetic \) well , maybe banks 24 year old prospect n't quickly would liked mahomes 22 year old highly touted tapani erickson also young , looked good spring last spot jim deshaies , formerly houston mike deshaies n't looked good spring , believe spot gone , although n't wanted 3 starters unproven personally believe highly mahomes 2 playing short third \? well , scott leius shortstop played mostly 3b last year , ss minors , moved back left k c 3b split \( maybe \) pagliarulo , great spring , terry jorgenson , good looking kid portland 3 years i'm sure time divided , seem happy like jorgenson , fear might give much time pags 3 's winfield \? sorry , ca n't help dennis
dyoung media mit edu \( david young \) subject q colormaps dialog shells organization mit media laboratory lines 17 applicationshell uses colormap created xcreatecolormap \( \) uses colors available 8 bit display move cursor window get effect fine basically , program works problem question popup dialogshell prompt user input want set primary application modal result cursor dialogshell get colormap , cursor applicationshell \( window dialogshell \) get default colormap 'd like cursor window application , get colormap suggestions \? thanks , david ,
subject tapped , code good pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) organization computer science dept university auckland lines 48 1993apr21 9999 ucsu colorado edu andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes \( date 1 26 93 \) note clinton 's statements encryption 3rd paragraph guess statement n't contradict said , though cut washington \( upi \) war drugs get fresh start , president clinton told delegates national federation police convention washington first speech drug issue since , clinton said planned escalation drug war make everything far seem half hearted practical purposes war beginning '' repeatedly emphasized view tried , tried , long 've trying , day one '' audience convention , whose theme spell fiscal relief \? f r f e u r e , '' interrupted clinton frequently applause clinton 's program , presented speech , follows outline given campaign position papers cabinet level drug czar first time offenders , however , cover detail plans improved enforcement methods ``this year 's crime bill teeth , bare gums , '' clinton said particular , administration place strict controls data formats protocols , require registration called keys , '' hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton said approach could used forms underground economic activity , ``the deficit causing tax live luxury expense grandchildren '' clinton expressed optimism drug war even though everyone voted bill clinton last november , everyone vote candidate shares sense urgency fighting drug menace advocates legalization advocates surrender may good making noise , '' clinton said american people cast ballots , proved knew along advocates surrender nothing microscopic fringe '' quick reality check real someone invent provoke reaction people \? sounds like sort thing 'd heard , suitably rephrased , leader certain german political party 1930 's peter
tomm hank ca boeing com \( tom mackey \) subject warning \( please read \) keywords brick , truck , danger organization bogart graphics development lines 27 article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com \( neil williams \) writes long 're subject several years ago two others riding front toyota pickup heading south interstate 5 north seattle , wa someone threw rock overpass hit windshield accident i'm sure , impossible get overpass quickly see figured kids , reported left couple years ago happend killed guy company mid left behind wife children turned reformatory juviniles blocks away caught 14 year old put cover overpass , else could \? execute grounds reformatory , required rest inmates , soon possible incident quick sure trial quite serious cause effect nothing else ever make dent n't think 'll forget story neil williams , boeing computer services , bellevue wa neither tom mackey \( 206 \) 865 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet ! bcstec ! voodoo ! tomm 7k 20 , p box 24346 , seattle , wa 98124 0346
lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject bad press islam recieved organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 34 article buddha 07 cc iastate edu buddha iastate edu \( scott h \) writes recently read article local paper written islamic person upset way islam portrayed western media terrorist action takes place middle east , always played islamic terrorist however , serbian terrorist attacks , christian terrorist , terrorist often tried explain close friends believe press , islam somehow tied violence often times hear things like n't value human life like wondering anyone suggestions change image , help friends see hype would appreciate serious suggestions comments via e mail , i'm interested hearing right press easily show pictures crime scenes perpetrated christian terrorists country , n't convince talk victims christian terrorism brutal act terrorism inspired christian propoganda recently commited campus simple religious extremists religions put value human life christian islamic fundamentalists put advancing religion else , even violates religion p i'm saying christians terrorists , i'm using christian terrorist way media uses islamic terrorist join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject braves pitching updatedir originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 23 article 1993apr15 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes clear 'd certainly rather team winning 4 1 games 2 1 games 2 1 game , luck going play much bigger role 4 1 game still need pitching staff hold opposing team one run 've scored four runs , n't ! strain even best pitching staff \? make easier \? 2 1 game , best pitching staff world ca n't compensate blown call , bad hop , wind winning close wrong way win keeping opposing runs scoring lot insurance shit happens aspect baseball every great even good pitching big red machine 70 's league average pitching somehow , rose morgan bench perez etc managed win 100 games , 108 roger
subject windows workgroups lan workplace flint waters uwyo edu \( flint waters \) distribution comp os ms windows apps , comp os ms windows misc , comp os ms , world organization university wyoming nntp posting host sheriff uwyo edu lines 13 anyone know possible use w4wg lan workplace dos time ie access file another pc logged mainframe time , simultaneously yup 're using work fine hopefully , someday wfwg communicate lwp tcpip right load netbeui use odi works well
ramirez iastate edu \( richard g ramirez \) subject summary borland microsoft database c libraries reply ramirez iastate edu \( richard g ramirez \) organization iowa state university lines 4 could post description , chosen product thanks
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject title xterm organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 14 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de yet , escape sequences speaking non standard dangerous fact , ansi compliant sequence parser hangs strange esc sequences instead compatible dsc \? brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com subject apple cd300 cdrom organization gte govt systems , electronics def div lines 19 article menudo uh edu , sunnyt coding bchs uh edu writes reseller 've also heard rumors bundled couple cd 's , ca n't confirm sunny sunnyt dna bchs uh edu 've got two cd300 's first one ordered jan 15 , received feb 20 second one ordered jan 20th , got april 2nd anyway , come 10 misc cdroms things like intro , sample cd kodak pictures , alice ocean \( story woman across austrailia \) , 3 discs apple , games disc , applications disc , titles disc \( n't checked yet \) also cinderella thing kids , disc mozart something others , etc etc etc someone 's super interested , 'll make list exact titles post category interesting , probably fairly useless rumored earliest units shipped \( may \) , neither drives jeff adams
qman casbah acns nwu edu \( charlie kuehmann \) subject lciii vga monitor adapters article ironman qman organization northwestern university lines 17 nntp posting host ironman ms nwu edu i'm real tough time finding proper adapters use vga monitor \( ibm sold w many ps 2 's exact \) mac lc iii vendors called say internal video work true vga monitor work ibm compatible multisync like sony 's nec monitors thought vga capability lciii attractive allowed use inexpensive vga monitors confused vendors speed \? anyone used lciii non multisync vga monitor get adapter \( please specific w vendor cat \) \? would prefer get apple monitor lciii 's \( 's see finder inside ibm bezel \) money save monitors lciii 's afford ps 2 's get rid ! charles kuehmann northwestern university steel research group qman casbah acns nwu edu
rank uni passau de \( christian rank \) subject xsun running sparcclassic organization fuer universitaet passau lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host jupiter uni passau de 've installed x11r5 patches solaris 2 1 sparcstation lx sparcclassic pool lx , x11r5 runs fine , classics , giving command startx , xsun prints following messages warning cg3 mmap ca n't map dummy space ! mapping device address exits anybody know fix problem \? thanks advance christian rank fuer universitaet passau 29 passau
crane coral bucknell edu \( curt crane \) subject ski boots sale , size 11 11 5 organization bucknell university , , pa , usa lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host coral bucknell edu also pair size 11 11 5 boots black yellow good condition would like around 100 also feel free make offer please reply crane coral bucknell edu thanks , curt
soda berkeley edu \( david g \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization organization \? cares \? gotta say go bears ! lines 14 distribution na lynx unm edu 36s odin corp sgi com nntp posting host soda berkeley edu reply kubey sgi com 's message mon , 19 apr 1993 23 27 29 gmt article 36s odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) writes suppose foul ball machine \( like brett butler \) pretty valuable , 'd rather watch \( root \) lower obp guys actually hit ball 'd rather watch \( root \) team scores lots runs wins games course , i'm rooting rockies andres anyway 's irrational also root frank thomas \) david
mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) subject boom ! dog attack ! nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bnr ottawa , dms software design lines 28 article clarke 5 bdrc bd com , clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) writes final trajectory bad n't notice car approaching 50 mph direction got closeup view poor canine friend 's noggin front bumper , asphalt , getting front tire managed pretty good , impact \( peripheral imminent doom \? \) guess driver n't see probably would lane actually got headed back home , n't seen since thing everyday dog would chase bicycle owners thought cute even got moto , stupid dog would thing one day , coming home opposite lane teeth ran get played momentum sharing 73 dodge pick owners tried blame driving street lived wierd town beav mike beavington ottawa , ont , canada dod 9733 seca 400 seca 400 rz350 v65sabre \( 1994 gts1000 ca n't afford '93 \) mbeaving bnr ca parking spaces \? n't need parking spaces !
harvey oasys dt navy mil \( betty harvey \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? reply harvey oasys dt navy mil \( betty harvey \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 30 rec food cooking , packer delphi gsfc nasa gov \( charles packer \) writes thing msg \( monosodium glutamate \) sensitivity \? saw ny times sunday scientists testified fda advisory panel complaints msg sensitivity superstition anybody experience contrary \? know msg sensitivity eat foods msg get thirsty hands swell get terrible itchy rash first experienced problem worked close ate chinese food almost everyday lunch ca n't tolerate msg notice immediately eaten try avoid msg completely interesting fact though three children started experiencing exact rash hands could n't understand n't msg cooking ask msg eat chinese \( still love \) investigation knew one favorite foods one main ingredients flavor packets msg look labels would surprised places find msg betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp , networking communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code 1221 center bethesda , md 20084 5000 , cd , nswc \( 301 \) 227 fax \( 301 \) 227
txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution rec lines 18 nntp posting host able mkt 3com com xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? , 's possible countersteer either \( humor p ! \) '86 concours sophisticated lady tom dietrich '72 1000cc sportster 'ol sport sale dod 055 '79 sr500 spike , garage rat ama queued m900 ! ! fssnoc 1843 two gather , big fun ! 1kspt 17 28 bell \( 408 \) 764 5874 cool rule , sometimes e mail txd able mkt 3com com \( h lewis \) disclaimer 3com takes responsibility opinions preceding
jek cu nih gov subject god , morality , massacres lines 258 \( andrew , think \) wrote , response suggestion genocide may sometimes god god works way evil , unworthy worship faith replied \( , substance , others \) source moral standards judge god 's behavior \? often argued standing judge god 's actions clay talk back potter \? find contrary view scripture god proposes destroy city sodom \( genesis 18 \) , abraham says suppose good men city destroy righteous along wicked \? far , lord , thing ! shall judge earth right \? told hebrew actually bit stronger , perhaps better rendered \( dynamic equivalence \) shame , lord , thing ! say definition good whatever god happens want , statement god good meaning simply says god wants case , one either love obey god good motive left obeying powerful makes sense obey dictator , even tells round jews exterminate , defy might end gas chamber , makes sense obey god , power punish n't ethical theory take radical contradiction genesis 18 christianity general theory makes moral judgements worthless makes discussion morality \( goodness god \) meaningless however , follow moral judgements always infallible particular cases , still less judgements particular cases course action likely achieve good result read scriptural accounts actions god history , actions often seem different might expect god loves us desires best us moreover , leaving scriptures aside , considering natural world , find nature often different might expect work benevolent deity \( origen said believe author nature also author scriptures must expect find scriptures sort difficulties find nature \) , difficulties exist argument existence , power , wisdom , goodness god contrary , absence would argument suppose watching bobby fisher play chess , suppose every time makes move , find saying good move ! expecting move would made playing would sign fisher better chess player given better , expect least moves thinking , , suppose induced \? even , boy , real slip 's thrown game away ! similarly , god understands workings universe better , expected sometimes look made mistake one difference fisher chessboard god controls universe see end chess game fisher wins , revise earlier inference made lose queen 23 moves earlier however , loses , particularly see time opportunity two moves take , know good player thought god , hand , shall life see total result actions therefore , grounds judging seen bad move part must always far grounds making similar judgement fisher book genesis , read joseph 's ten older brothers , \( good reason \) found , sell slavery egypt eventually became , famine canaan , able provide family brothers apologized , told worry meant evil , god turned good heard rabbi speak text said history jews largely history events look like threaten continued survival religion , people , , amazingly , events turn saving jews judaism sale joseph brothers looked like breakup family fact , ended reconciliation quarrel famine drove family canaan looked like misfortune fact , stayed canaan , would almost certainly canaanites assimilated culture oppression egyptians generations arrival egypt looked like disaster god used bring egypt , promised land people built temple , regularly offered sacrifices captured jerusalem judea , destroyed temple city countryside , deported people babylon might thought would end people religion living canaan , people constant danger assimilation , turned worship lord worship fertility cults , ritual prostitution ritual human sacrifice babylonian captivity put stop never jews show interest idolatry neither worship canaanites mor ever among judaism danger becoming simply system sacrifices temple prescribed acts worship consisted coming jerusalem every often offering sacrifice captivity , temple gone , jews invented synagogue , place meeting reading study discussion scriptures came realize clearly , danger forgetting continued live judea , god simply local tribal deity , controller land canaan , patron jewish people , creator world , ruler judge humans everywhere time passed , babylonian empire replaced persians , greeks , rather macedonians ruler , antiochus , determined stamp judaism , end made reading study torah punishable death , one might think would end judaism people met worship , instead reading torah portion appointed day , would read passage prophets similar theme , discuss time , torah , called five books moses \( genesis , exodus , leviticus , numbers , deuteronomy \) books read studied synagogue antiochus , books prophets would probably forgotten altogether hatred judaism saved examples omitted brevity 's sake may remember julie andrews first became famous eliza doolittle stage production fair lady warner brothers undertook make movie , everyone expected julie , stage , would play role movie instead , studio decided go established screen star , cast hepburn julie andrews naturally crushed later realized played screen role , would type cast life doolittle type would disaster , walt disney offered role mary , oscar presentation , stood , smiling , looking walt disney , said , , special thanks man made possible jack warner ! memorable line evening similar spirit , jews might thank men providence god preserved judaism , kept alive day , beginning joseph 's brothers , continuing two , nebuchadnezzar , antiochus formal meeting broken , one woman came privately said , talking holocaust , n't \? answered , example came mind , right , talking would talk everyone , everyone bear assume meant , without holocaust , would state israel someone hearing rabbi 's lecture might leap conclusion god dependent wickedness men accomplish purposes least rabbi thought might go suppose wickedness fact god 's stirred joseph 's brothers murderous hate , israelites egypt , god hardened pharaoh 's heart , oppressed people , would let go raises questions action considered wicked time considered something god brought suggest another way looking consider sculptor log wood proposes carve statue log , instead smooth even grain throughout , large knot appearance surface sculptor considers wood , statue features knot , makes particular interruption grain color wood correspond feature statue , observers say fortunate sculptor finding piece wood knot like right place presence touch , thing makes statue great work art reality , knot , far sculptor looking , challenge skill wood contained flaw , would still made great work art , different one , joseph 's brothers sold , god would still brought purposes jewish people , would done another manner judas betrayed jesus , fellow leaders rejected jesus , rather acknowledged annointed god , pilate followed conscience rather fears set jesus free , might appear would crucifixion , therefore redemption , therefore salvation god need judas' sin redeem us judas done right , god christ would still reconciled world know , know would painted chapel interior instead shaped like grand central station , know bobby fisher would fourth game refused exchange bishops attacked fisher 's knight instead \( n't bother look game question making example , point none less valid \) thus , may say \( 1 \) god used , say , cowardice pilate accomplish purposes , \( 2 \) said cowardice god 's , pilate would thwarted god 's plans behaving justly , , make place god says moses , harden pharaoh 's heart , let people go \? christians taken mean pharaoh puppet god pulling strings , cruelty work , work god suppose rather god telling moses something like see pharaoh willing let people go , discouraged , suppose situation control purposes thwarted pharaoh chooses hear let people go , well good , fit resistance plans , fit perfectly future historians theologians suppose would thrown loss pharaoh obeyed return question started possible serbs , slaughtering moslems bosnia , instruments god 's \? first point wrong , joseph 's brothers wrong , judas wrong intend evil god somehow brings good , make less subject condemnation punishment second point course , god bring good good would brought serbians refrained sins robbery rape murder good purposes excuse us duty right , james kiefer
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject travel outside us \( bangladesh \) reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 17 article tamsun tamu edu ee tamu edu \( george \) writes traveling summer , wondering immunizations get going probably get information calling public health department county \( pittsburgh , give shots free , well \) bulletins medical libraries give recommendations , could call infectious diseases section medicine department local medical school also probably want talk malaria prophylaxis need doctor get prescription gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject italy next domino fall \? lines 101 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article newsserver technet sg , ipser solomon technet sg \( ed ipser \) writes italy next domino fall \? socialism may collapsed eastern europe soviet western europe united states remains primary ideology hearts minds liberal academia media political correctness muster may sufficient hold back economic forces threaten spread socialism 's collapse second world first indeed , becoming apparent every day socialism may even survive turn century ed course never demonstrated remarkable knowlege socialism , political system come swedes already discarded third way french made history turning socialist party record setting defeat , italy appears edge political existence leaves germany , japan uk examples country right wing government verge collapse oh course usa elected socialist government \) italy , today , basket case even european standards introduced 17 new taxes 5 months public sector revenue near 50 gdp mark etc , unfortunately ca n't pin left right , blame sides equally deep corruption scandal party northern league bunch nationalist communist party collapsed spite political , annual deficit exceeding sum ec countries public debt 2 5 times latin america italy understandably serious trouble selling treasury bonds markets italy extreme case , anything unique european governments appear headed direction spite nominally non socialist governments unfortunately , europeans , well , europeans , unlikely discover american style liberty instead , likely socialism fascism quickly moved fascism socialism never pausing along way role government , hope wrong ed take look budget deficit regan bush created together starts make claims europe collapsing based budget deficits none serious usa scale europe zero interest ed ipser type freed thank want countries run narrow elite rich lawyers benefit super wealthy quite happy social democracy despite fuss made time newsweek remarkably little done reverse social welfare reforms brought socialism problem socialism started aims free education health care provision welfare state achieved across whole europe , usa struggling catch problem socialism succeeded nobody ever claimed collapse socialism would pretty decline nation state probably lead first anarchy since politicians always cut essential services pork los angeles rampant crime frantically waits next wave riots spanking new subway nobody wants use , like every public transit system world , never economically viable \( trying extort tax , would cut first , mass transit police protection \? \) ed starts discus la , presumably thinks europe hand probably n't heard european city thus world toward chaos even 21st century approaches rather opposite happening italy communist party collapsed meant grand coalition right left wing parties keep communists also collapsed seized opportunity crack hard fraud corruption arrested half politicians fact socialists charge week incidental , right corruption looks likely happen fringe parties going much better next election parliamentary deputies going get replaced parties going forced look people free hint corruption look parliament 's porn stars phill hallam baker
eecs umich edu \( eric \) subject 14 monitors reply fredm media mit edu 's message wed , 31 mar 1993 20 39 45 gmt organization university michigan eecs department distribution na lines 37 article 1993mar31 news media mit edu fredm media mit edu \( fred g martin \) writes part posting removed sony cpd 1304 better video circuitry either two monitors display apple 640x480 , vga 640x480 , vga 800x600 \( though 56 hz flicker \) , apple 832x624 \( 75 hz refresh flicker \) might able display apple 's 1024x768 , i'm sure , pixels would real small anyway might useful note either sony monitor , need proper adapter , connects video signals properly , also informs macintosh video hardware display mode use part posting removed fred martin fredm media mit edu \( 617 \) 253 20 ames st rm 301 epistemology learning group , mit media lab cambridge , 02139 usa i'm assuming cabling tells mac , startup , kind monitor connected think 've seen ads popular mac magazines products \( i'm sure 's monitor , video card , package \) allow change resolutions fly \( w restarting mac \) buy 1304 , would possible switch back forth apple 640x480 apple 832x624 without restarting mac \? strictly hardware startup function , software intervene , mac hardware occasionally probe cable setting switch automatically \? thanks , eric \( eecs umich edu \)
stud cs uit \( paal \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization university tromsoe lines 17 article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com , jim de arras writes mr roby , government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday , humans would died fbi taken actions undeniable truth question long \? even fbi done nothing , guess bds would committed suicide , maybe hunger thirst gave choice surrender bds warned beforehand fbi action chance surrender get fair trial matter started fire , bds responsible 80 dying one else paal 67 102 083 stud cs uit 9100 data til alle
tquinn heartland bradley edu \( terry quinn \) subject waxing new car organization utexas mail news gateway lines 18 reply tquinn heartland bradley edu nntp posting host cs utexas edu taken delivery new gm car \( firebird \) finish assume probably since industry moved direction paints years past , used recommended owners wait 60 days wax car , paint cure dealer shop manager said also , i'm sure n't basing past tradition anyone know still recommended practice , better go ahead wax right away \( non new car wax \) newer finishes \? terry quinn hills , il tquinn heartland bradley edu compuserve internet tquinn heartland bradley edu
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject splitfires help spagthorpe diesels \? keywords using splitfire plugs performance distribution rec motorcycles organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 34 article news cso uiuc edu wcd82671 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel warren c \) writes earlier , reading net using splitfire plugs one guy thinking almost everybody shot hell well , saw one think someone said show team used split fires well , 's additional insight theories splitfire plugs boost us cages splitfires originally made burn fuel efficiently increased power 4x4 cages well , guys , splitfires n't know \( i'm trying catch somebody \) , splitfires help twins splitfires work mainly providing less spark combustion chamber engine 's cylinder head design benefit , splitfires yield slight performance increase , noticeably lower rpm range torque splitfires n't squat 1992 gmc pickup \( 4 3l v6 \) give noticeable performance boost 1991 harley sportster 1200 best friend 's 1986 sportster 883 folks know 've tried motors ca n't tell performance boost plain plugs \( interesting since xlh big twin combustion chambers pretty much shape , different sizes \) two friends harleys swear splitfires , 'd dual plug instead since respond well enough dual plugs make machine work extra ignition system worth expense \( plus look really cool spark plug side head \) neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance hartmann \) subject summary information pc 's local bus specification reply lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com organization ibm , austin keywords local bus vesa pci lines 21 article 1993apr6 pt \( \) writes stuff deleted pci \( intel \) bus completely defined \( yet \) people think long term solution larger cheap \( complex chipset \) friend owns company builds clones shared fact pci chipset expensive 12 \? many money hungry clone makers , doubt , attempt price boards high 's new technology lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) yes , ' ' \( percent sign \) network address statements , comments , opinions , etc herein reflect author shall misconstrued ibm anyone else matter
woods ulowell edu subject sale lines 20 organization university massachusetts lowell th following cd 's sale cd cost 10 except otherwise indicated includes shipping handling achtung baby u2 joshua tree u2 immaculate collection madonna 12 love hurts garth brooks garth brooks red hot peppers tlc light shadows wilson used never used , still shrink wraps please email woods ulowell edu
cae wisc edu \( anders \) subject quadra 950 900 case source wanted organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 12 hello , anyone knows place get case hold power supply motherboard quadra 950 please let know tried mail order places local stores groups would prefer part 1000 get case eyes seems 600 700 much comments \? currently guts 950 please email post group w info , thanks advance , andy
stusoft hardy u washington edu \( stuart denman \) subject 3d2 files \? article shelley organization university washington lines 16 nntp posting host hardy u washington edu doug hparc0 aus hp com \( doug parsons \) writes chaining around anonymous ftp world looking 3d studio meshes interesting graphical stuff program , found files extension 3d2 3ds v2 01 n't know type file , \? 3d object files cad 3d 2 0 , program written tom hudson atari st computers n't know much except stored points first , surfaces next , made listing 3 point numbers make triangle surface 's header describes coloring , lighting , etc n't know much , hope helps stuart denman stusoft u washington edu
wlieftin cs vu nl \( liefting w \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) organization fac wiskunde informatica , vu , amsterdam lines 20 ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) writes microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? microsoft think everyone \? venting steam ! think problem think caused rubber ball mouse , n't roll smooth detectors mouse notice whoops , hit mine \( using minesweeper \) \) think solution buying new mouse , using mouse pad wouter
bo horus cem msu edu \( bo peng \) subject diamond ss 24x organization michigan state university lines 30 nntp posting host horus cem msu edu article 1993apr20 samba oit unc edu , dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) anyone experienced faint shadow resolutions using card windows replaced card waiting latest drivers also experienced general protection fault errors wspdpsf drv winword tools option menu winfax setup ati ultra getting genral protection fault errors spss application card manufactures must terrible quality control let products market many bugs hassle running gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l 're using drivers version 2 02 earlier latest 2 03 , available bbs snailmail least fixes wfw problem reason wanted reply public instead private mail following talked tech support days ago told expect new version near end month however , problem switching back dos session standard mode apparently n't know problem seem surprised anybody would want use standard mode 's great card price , least bought may better alternatives bo peng
jao megatest com \( john \) subject legal car buying problems organization megatest corporation x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 distribution ca lines 32 rboudrie chpc org \( rob boudrie \) writes article stratus swdc stratus com bob runway swdc stratus com \( bob \) writes agreeing terms signed contract drove home new car later night noticed terms different terms agreed \( made stupid mistake checking everything contract \) happened last saturday heard cooling law allowing three days reconsider contract true \? anyone point law \? transaction happened dealership , matters cooling period applies certain situations lik solicited home also think cooling period ends actually accept merchandise case , car buyer would right return slightly used , highly devalued , car 2 days buying yeah 's trick want buy new car , 'd buy return one , go negotiate better deal pre owned used car however , agree terms , , sign , dealer slips contract different terms , leads believe terms verbally agreed , fraud 3 day limit restitution fraud may sue \( win \) get almost certainly threaten sue john jao megatest com jao netcom com
crux3 cit cornell edu \( \) subject sony mhc 3600 bookshelf stereo system nntp posting host crux3 cit cornell edu organization cornell university lines 25 forsale sony mhc 3600 hi fi bookshelf stereo system 9 months old cd player 2 tape decks digital graphic equilizer tuner 4 speakers channel top line sony bookshelf system includes amazing remote actually splits two ! everything done remote \( remote digital display ! \) highest quality sound amazing bass ! one scratch system well taken care originally purchased 1299 tax need cash , looking get around 750 since really need money , sell person gives highest offer , accept best offer 750 buyer pays insured shipping reply soon thanks
feilimau leland stanford edu \( christopher yale lin \) subject mac iisi power limitations summary \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution usa lines 17 readers , mac iisi considering upgrades \( cards , hard drive , etc \) tell power limitations 1 \) pds slot 2 \) hard drive power feed secondly , tell separate limit , instead , single limit combined \? please drop line know answers questions thanks , felix lin feilimau leland stanford edu
amruth laxman andrew cmu edu subject surviving large accelerations \? organization junior , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu hi , reading spaceflight handbook somewhere author discusses solar sails forces acting try gain initial acceleration passing close sun hyperbolic orbit magnitude accelerations estimated order also says may big problem manned craft humans \( published 1986 \) already withstood accelerations 45g long winded 's question finally 45g accelerations fact humanly tolerable \? aid mechanical devices course possible , used absorb acceleration \? extended larger accelerations \? thanks advance amruth laxman
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization u toronto zoology lines 14 article cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu \( michael f santangelo \) writes thing scares part simply strapping 3 ssme 's launching vision something going terribly wrong launch resulting complete loss new modular space station \( peice would case staged orbit construction \) n't make whole lot difference , actually , since n't building spares station hardware anyway \( dumb \) least one launch fail svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
idt unit \( erik \) subject graphics formats reply idt unit \( erik \) organization norwegian technology lines 14 i'm currently looking information different graphics formats , especially ppm , pcx bmp perhaps gif anyone know exist files site describes formats \? \? \? thanks ! \( \) erik , email idt unit \( \) oooo faculty computer science norwegian institute technology , trondheim oooo make sense , cents !
ucs usl edu \( ott edward \) subject e mail organization univ southwestern la , lafayette distribution usa lines 7 anyone e mail address white house please send thanks lot
ware oboe cis ohio state edu \( peter ware \) subject private colormaps widget creation organization ohio state computer science lines 13 nntp posting host oboe cis ohio state edu reply nancie neko css gov 's message 2 apr 1993 14 55 09 0500 right supposing problem \( truly literate beings \) set want start application new colormap chicken egg sort problem , however look xt faq example show done , let know maybe improve example pete pete ware ware cis ohio state edu cis dept , ohio state university w \( 614 \) 292 228 hall , neil ave h \( 614 \) 538 columbus , oh 43210
ra csc ti com \( doug page \) subject quaint us nntp posting host ra organization texas instruments lines 41 article 1 cs cmu edu , nickh cs cmu edu \( nick haines \) writes article 1993apr2 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes stuff deleted course units force names weight , order use need keep useful constants like omnipresent 32 \? \? \? \? ft sec 2 around maybe 'd like go system natural easy use , gary \? 're , figure us weight 17 barrels quart foo \( density 2 3 4 oz per cubic foot \) moon \( gravity 5 ft 7 3 32 sec 2 \) let 's face , even imperial system uses basically metric way relating quantities \( e would written 5 59 ft sec 2 \) thing 're hanging right express quantity inches , 144 25 feet , 48 yards 2 186 chains everyone else saying want \? apparent remaining complexity si system due fact 's going \( fundamental difference si imperial \) exactly one unit type , values type expressed multiple unit mean like seconds , minutes , hours , days , months , years \) remember , fahrenheit temperature scale also scale revisionists tell history something like point particular russian winter marked thermometer body temperature volunteer \( turns sick , ca n't win 'em \) space marks thermometer divided \) fwiw , doug page opinions mine \( maybe \) , necessarily represent employer \( sane person , matter \)
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 99 article netcom com steveth netcom com \( steve thomas \) wri tes article news iastate edu jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) writes article netcom com steveth netcom com \( steve thomas \) w rites boy , looks like wod working really good stop people screwed head , given example ! \( issue friend got drugs legal legal , 'll continue get issue 2 , somebody use illegal drugs screwed pay idiot 's problems \? 's anybody harm except wod , hand , n immediate threat life tell sacrafice ! \) hello , anybody \? think pay idiot 's problem , 's going pay number addicts associated problems n't even want think hillary white house administration feels pain look , truly lower taxation less government , would advocating wod ever wonder wod bi partisan issue \? harm \? drives school bus full kids train gets stoned drives sidewalk kills 5 people lives welfare rest life ridiculous ca n't imagine anyone stupid forgive flaming , obvious ! tell cases cannot caused legal drug , viz alcohol , war , \? 'll tell people killed alcohol related accidents drugs combined far probably people access legal know problem wod bite sending slimy bastards chair selling drugs kids , 's bit yeah , 's , send kid inner city , viable means make money turns selling drugs , crowded federal prison learns real crime course , kid would much better selling crack neighborhood helping demise without drug money pumped \( affluent \) outside , would crime \( would steal , \? \) drugs bring money community like business would , except , since drugs illegal , economy underground one drugs legal , neighborhood could legally go hell self sustaining underground economy constant willful infusion money outside take away drug laws , put end underground economy , therefore large scale crime made murder legal , would put end murder crime kids inner cities faced tough life growing , selling drugs everything fingertips instantly many kids choose selling drugs sell products people want buy make money rich white kids suburbs go prison become hardened criminals , learn 're much better stealing car stereos suburbs police forces spending money inner city saving people \? \? \? \? \? \? bring examples want crack babies solution never anything laws \( crack illegal \) saying crack babies way legally okay \? social problem , however great , worth destroying freedom america destruction freedom never answer social problem ca n't even walk street night alone america drugs freedom ass ryan
bernard cs su oz au \( bernard gardner \) subject fast polygon routine needed organization department computer science keywords polygon , needed lines 10 reason never saw original post thread , looking fast polygon routines vga pc , really ca n't go past mode x stuff dr dobbs code p domain \( far know \) , original articles , routines presented dumb vga routines , interesting discussion along way interested , could find details issues question , \( home \) bernard
phred uucp \( harry barnett \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption reply phred uucp organization control lines 48 article yuma acns colostate edu , holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes article 1993apr19 afterlife ncsc mil rlward1 afterlife ncsc mil \( robert ward \) writes article bontchev 734981805 fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de writes since us constitutions guarantees right every american bear arms , every american entitled , matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context \? , please posting misinterpretation refers right people organize militia , individuals carry handguns , grenades , assault rifles read constitution second amendment says right bear arms shall infringed , well regulated militia may easily formed interpretation second shows qualifications right keep bear arms want , e mail way , gun talk belongs talk politics guns doug holland mr ward , start blathering skill interpreting constitution , might helpful learn read review high school english teacher emphasizing phrases , might start second amendment , follow 97th congress , 2nd session , committee print , right keep bear arms , constitution committee judiciary , united states senate , 97th congress , second session , february , 1982 gpo 88 618 authoritative , heavily researched document clearly turns interpretation specious claptrap , polite way saying utter bullshit spite false assertion contrary , second amendment protect right individual citizen , capacity individual , keep bear arms , mr holland , imho , blatantly false information , asserted fact globally distributed , deserves globally distributed rebuttal forum posted \( besides , site n't carry p g \) phred data io com phred ! data io com free man shall ever use arms strongest reason people retain right keep bear arms , last resort , protect tyranny government thomas jefferson
subject dos 6 0 faculty coe edu \( wallace \) organization college engineering nntp posting host 157 182 80 85 lines 10 know two people stories dos 6 0 's 100 people know dos 6 0 reformat disks start used standard installation program put ms dos 6 0 machine stacker 3 0 already installed problems kept stacker , rather switch pleased memory gained since memory manager also like multiple boot feature
sdennis osf org subject repost accelerators translations apparently motif talk osf org originator root keywords accelerator , case lines 36 reply sdennis osf org organization applicon , inc ann arbor , mi \( usa \) return path sdennis ann arbor applicon slb com lines 36 posted ago n't recieve one reply , another bug report subject anybody help \? ensure accelerators work independent case \? want ctrl ctrl accelerators one menu entry ora vol 6 , section accelerators says information specify translation tables see vol 4 , know put xmnaccelerator resource go vol 4 says , likewise , modifier specified , nothing prohibit modifiers present well example , translation shift key q quit \( \) take effect even ctrl key held time shift key \( q key \) implies setting xmnaccelerator ctrl key want , n't , n't work user presses control key , shift key , key possible supply 1 accelerator menu entry \? keep mind answering question using motif ca n't use \( \) using motif 1 1 3 decstation 5000 also tried hp using motif 1 1 3 1 2 steve dennis internet sdennis ann arbor applicon slb com software engineer applicon inc ann arbor , michigan hail ! ! !
cfb fc hp com \( charlie brett \) subject los angeles freeway traffic reports nntp posting host hpfcmgw fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 21 driving middle nowhere , picked knbr , 1070 , clear channel station based los angeles ad claiming able get traffic flow information thousands traffic sensors caltrans placed pavement caltrans sell info \? knbr exclusive \? 's deal \? doug former l commuter claar right second time , knx believe , also listen knx evenings colorado ! 's kind fun driving country listening traffic jams 405 back original question yes , sensors past every ramp ramp freeways 're sensors used \( coils pavement \) might want give caltrans call even ask bill \( knx 's traffic reporter \) doubt anyone get information , would worth asking case get charlie brett \( former la commuter \) ft collins , co
umontreal ca \( \) subject info wanted tseng labs et4000 vlb organization universite de montreal lines 9 hi fellow netters , anybody info tseng labs et4000 vlb card price , speed , compatibility existing comming softwares , performance compared others cards \( s3 based card \? \) thank
psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject lds hal 's reply organization university buffalo lines 38 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu article boi hp com , hall boi hp com \( hal \) writes dr england 's story deleted , nice read first time lead church , one , wish labelled christian , profess christians attack beliefs \( example \) way religion may interpret biblical scriptures source different meaning implication mainstream christianity would give n't much matter bible texts sets mormonism apart orthodoxy matter fabrication 20 years ago , national comic strips drawn neal adams called son o' god comics parody jesus bible comic , group thirteen jewish kids brooklyn , one said magic word , turned son o' god went myopic , curly headed , wearing boy replica jesus long flowing brown hair gentile features , someone profess faith jesus , claim christian believed jesus , would say fallacious since jesus fabrication , really exist exact thing lds claim christian profess faith jesus , jesus profess faith much fabrication jesus robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center alan hinds uicvm uic edu subject disk data compression interleave lines 5 anyone enough experience report whether disk data compression effect optimal disk sector interleave \? offhand , expect time required decompress disk data would increase optimum disk sector interleave alan hinds
shrike und ac za \( simon bernstein \) subject boca woes organization university natal \( durban \) , south africa lines 25 nntp posting host shrike und ac za x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 hi interesting problems boca graphics card , based cirrus logic chipset \( sure exactly one \) problem follows use windows driver 800x600 except 64k colour driver \( ie 16 colour 256 colour \) , image screen becomes tall amount resizing monitor make fit use excel 64k colour driver , hangs soon loads anyone used card experienced anything similar please reply mail , post solutions regards simon simon bernstein man condemned free \( \) university natal , durban shrike und ac za irc
subject xga 2 info \? sparc2 cstp umkc edu \( rainer \) distribution world organization university missouri kansas city nntp posting host sparc2 cstp umkc edu lines 13 hi , anyone info xga 2 chipset \? hw , truecolor , resolutions , boards xga 2 yet \? thanks rainer rainer sparc2 cstp umkc edu university kansas city , mo new mail clinton dc gov \( subject specified \)
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 25 article 1993apr19 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote true stated jesus' saving grace available everyone , jews words , everyone salvation everyone option open people jews course , jews n't accept deity christ , would hardly expect accept anything christ said n't feel animosity towards even though persecuted jesus disciples eventually crucified , bear ill anything , feel pity jesus die pay price sins jews merely fulfilling prophesy jesus knew die even began ministry demonstrates great depth love us jesus certainly demonstrated great depth love children died today davidian complex sorry , events today made even negative organized religion cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
henson cc wwu edu \( matthew \) subject ranger vs 10 opinions article henson 1993apr15 organization western washington university lines 16 buying compact pickup favor wait months 1994 gmc sonoma magazines saying day night current truck 's , solid , fast \( 4 3 v 6 \) whip ranger every area \( accept maybe payload \) always pick gmc chevy gmc 's always much better looking man , miss marty matt '87 250 ninja type rider dudes 's feeling wanna know 's obsession keep world mirror try run sun wheels heart
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject warning \( please read \) nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 34 article 1993apr19 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes anything n't emptied gun asshole texas 's whole country reminds one texas 's ads hear guy speaking french \( like 's letter home \) , french moves background , french accented voice come foreground , talking went walking beach , felt much like home decided take shoes rest clothes ended please send bail \) rec autos note , anyone carry gun keep one car \( bad idea , n't \? \) work bad part town \( regularly go one \) \? loaded question \? \) normally unloaded colt delta glove box loaded magazine handy \( perfectly legal oklahoma \) times i'm travelling inter state , keep unloaded w 44 magnum revolver glove box , speed loader pocket \( legal everywhere , federal law , illinois state police hanged \) 've said , defense insurance pay replace car , one life james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( cave gods war , def \) subject help help help organization university buffalo lines 11 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu anyone nhl standings march 28th \? need immediately project please post email thanks andy school architecture state university new york buffalo
d88 jwa hemul nada kth se \( jon w tte \) subject quickdraw performance \( across product line \) nntp posting host hemul nada kth se organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 26 daves 129 228 20 182 daves xetron com \( dave steele \) writes fastest quickdraw color performing computer apple makes \( please \) lciii color classic ranks right quadra line centris line pales comparison anybody know differences computers explains graphics processor performance \? think suffering alignment color table whatever problems , color classic fast quadra rendering screen screen card use course matter much \( built video almost always faster nubus \) measured scroll entire screen color classic vram 10 screen 4 bit color quadra 21 24 bit screen nubus \) cheers , h jon w tte , h nada kth se , mac hacker deluxe sig less 3 lines improve usenet n ratio !
donc microsoft com \( \) subject christian owned organization list organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 28 article 1993apr16 organpipe uug arizona edu ece 0028 bigdog engr arizona edu wrote sorry , mormons n't generally considered christians kcochran nyx cs du edu b \( 0 4 \) c e f g k \( \) r \( \) \( \) tsakc thoughts , posts , ideas , responsibility , beer , pizza ok \? \? \? pumps purse shade \? , come back me' \? i'm looking something green laurie morgan sorry , n't matter think , christian , happens belong lds church church jesus christ latter day saints n't usually read r truly informative stop , see still people world like forced ancestors deserts utah , country entirely \( grandmother born mexico , family moved escape religious persecution us \) i'm willing admit members churches christians , believe christ \( try \) follow teachings , even though different interpretations bible yet churches often go way define whether considered christian could someone mail set rules beliefs must followed christian \? set rules exclude large bodies believers \? know , waste everyone 's time , probably discussed n times , etc guess i'm sensitive went texas , donc microsoft com mail flames , post apologies support short sigs , three lines max \( consider rebuttal , flame \)
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject quadra 700 memory install faq organization university washington lines 69 nntp posting host carson u washington edu summary instructions quadra 700 memory installation keywords memory , quadra , 700 , install turning faq violate quadra 700 warranty install memory 1 \) insert usual disclaimer 2 \) remove top lid machine see floppy disk hard drive mounted plastic tower follow usual anti static precautions course make sure machine unplug wall monitor power supply cords back mac 3 \) remove power supply pulling plastic tab tower forward simultaneously pulling power supply straight tab piece plastic left posterior aspect tower extends downward hook power supply may also feel shaped piece right portion power supply leave alone plastic tab tower need release 4 \) look rear tower assembly see flat ribbon scsi connector hard drive , power cable flat ribbon cable leading floppy drive disconnect motherboard hard drive power cable connector tab must squeezed release 5 \) unplug drive activity led clear plastic mount 6 \) look posterior , cylindrical section plastic tower phillips head screw base remove , taking care drop case bit glue screwdriver helpful 7 \) remove tower assembly pulling plastic tab right side tower tab prevents tower sliding slide entire tower assembly 1 cm lift tower assembly straight case 8 \) congratulations , gained access machine 's simm slots 9 \) six big slots vram one usually must install six gain useful video modes simms \( ram vram \) installed chips facing front motherboard four smaller sockets front ram simms install simms sets four sockets sure seat simms squarely firmly fully upright position 10 \) reinstall tower assembly first placing right wall tower right wall case tower assembly 1 cm posterior intended position lower tower assembly place maintaining contact right wall case fully , slide tower assembly clicks place 11 \) motherboard ends cables forget floppy drive cable 12 \) replace phillips head screw 13 \) drop power supply straight place clicks 14 \) plug hard drive activity light back clear plastic mount guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
grady world std com \( dick grady \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 10 article cellar org cellar org \( dan reed \) writes fact , leave key whenever need make easy car thief saves trouble popping ignition ! dick grady salem , nh , usa grady world std com many newsgroups , little time !
glover casbah acns nwu edu \( eric glover \) subject ussr reached moon first \? nntp posting host acns nwu edu organization northwestern university , evanston illinois lines 45 article 1993apr06 zeus calpoly edu jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) writes suppose soviets managed get moon rocket working made first could beaten us either rocket n't blown pad thus setting back , saturn v went boom apollo fire harsh , saturn v explosion would soviets winning would crushing could technological turning point us turning us today 's anything , 're super power much reserved attitude like soviet program today kennedy gone 68 69 , war still east , think program would stalled badly goal moon 70 would dead nasa trying figure went wrong beaten us , speculate us would gone head done landings , also would determined set base \( earth orbit moon \) whether would mars would depend upon whether soviets tried go setting lunar base would stretched budgets nations think military value lunar base would outweigh value going mars \( least short run \) thus would concentrated moon saturn program would pushed 70s cost runs would evil nixon still wins shuttle never proposed skylab never built 73 program stalled yet fuel crisis string small launches mark mid seventies 76 goal us man moon dead us space program till present day \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) believe nation commit achieving goal , decade , landing man moon returning safely earth john f kennedy may 25 , 1961
dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) subject braves pitching updatedir organization department industrial engineering lines 54 sbp002 acad drake edu said article adobe com , snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes every single piece evidence find points major league baseball 50 offense , 50 defense run scored important run prevented course run scored important run prevented penny saved penny earned enough 's cliche , \( unlike comments \) 's tautology need n't true every pitcher baseball essentially quality \( e variance pitching ability much smaller variance batting ability \) , scoring runs would much important preventing , simply ability actively prevent runs would much weaker point braves starters able live potential , wo n't need much offensive support 's point , said fact said pitching defense win championships , later pitching essence baseball neither says claiming point , neither true seems quality pitchers take mound , teams score less runs team scores runs wins accuse sherri mouthing ! \? puts team better pitching advantage \( providing stop opposing team scoring runs \) low scoring game would clearly benefit braves 's clear true high scoring games , team better offense wins high percentage time low scoring games , split essentially 50 50 regardless team ability many low scoring games due excellent pitching average hitting flip side , starting lineup great offensive players , would arguing team would need great pitchers thought said pitching defense win championships pitching essence baseball david tate \( dtate pitt edu \) greetings , sir , bat quick member iie , orsa , tims , sabr hands soft , eye discerning denver call slugger \? big catullus galarraga compare mattingly ! \?
cash convex com \( peter cash \) subject raid justification blast next time distribution usa nntp posting host zeppelin convex com organization x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 27 article pandora sdsu edu chiu io nosc mil \( francis chiu \) writes initial assault compound \( like wooden farm house burned ground like \) \? regardless started caused fire , none would happened atf honestly justify initial assault handled properly ! got listening 10 o'clock news channel 4 dallas list justifications produced atf months investigation raid could n't believe junk list ! example , bds accused stockpiling bunch 9mm 223 ammunition used m15 assault rifles imagine ammunition ! also aluminum dust ! \( yeah , 's component , far n't heard 's illegal take aluminum lawn furniture \) thing list could conceivably illegal 79 grenade launcher \( anybody know \? \) months investigation ! 80 people died ! die welt ist alles , ist peter cash \( apologies ludwig wittgenstein \) cash convex com
steve frampton frampton vicuna ocunix ca subject kermit available windows 3 0 3 1 \? summary looking windows kermit keywords windows kermit comm app reply frampton vicuna ocunix ca distribution world organization vicuna systems , kingston , ontario , canada lines 16 content type text plain charset us ascii hello wondering , kermit package \( actual package , different program kermit file transfers \) available microsoft windows 3 0 3 1 \? information would greatly appreciated please e mail post thanks advance ! ranks fan ! steve frampton frampton vicuna ocunix ca steve frampton collect postcards ! send one 501 st area , 'll send one return send kingston , ontario \( n't forget email mailing address \) canada
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject tapped , code good distribution na nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 40 article bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de writes andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes methods ``this year 's crime bill teeth , bare gums , '' clinton said particular , administration place strict controls data formats protocols , require registration called keys , '' hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton said approach could used forms underground economic activity , ``the deficit causing tax live luxury expense grandchildren '' people thought exaggerating claiming cripple chip first step totalitarian plot civil liberties usa seems 've even optimist things happening even faster expected 's another dirty tricks used apply us communist regime something secret , tell people \( fact , nothing done \) , course , explaining much better situation previous messages wrote americans wake fight new proposal seems already late already happened , civil liberties violated , , american people , part people sleeping happily \( \( \( sad i'm definitely going write congressman , nobody 's ever going make respect law violates freedom speech , feds try enforce law , protect freedoms , force ever comes \( hopefully , wo n't \) doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 60 article vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes refuting nothing simply telling see , childish propaganda nothing refuted bcci islamic bank , post nothing islamic banks tiring infantile garbage , simply evaluated could maybe flesh bit \? miss full 's content virtue atheism \? may difficulty seeing light head ass suggest making sure case posting 's time lesson debate , gregg yeah , right begin included text vice ! news tek com ! uunet ! psinntp ! ! usenet sun apr 18 10 01 11 pdt 1993 noticed post topic soc religion islam since topic bcci islamic bank come , left one mention bcci bank called bcci adapted koran rules banking bibliography bennett , neil bcci adapted koran rules banking times august 13 , 1991 , let 's see guy writes piece title implies something case must , \? support position intend anyone respect , gregg questions \? even managed include reference head firmly engaged ass 's excuse \? supports nothing reason believe piece anything another anti islamic slander job respect titles , real content look article want , true tell bcci islamic bank seeing i'm spending time responding propaganda \( responding little sub thread \) really n't feel deep need make statements effect propaganda false someone wants discuss issue seriously 'd glad real discussion , providing references , etc gregg
corp mot com \( gerald mcpherson \) subject going hell \? lines 42 apr 23 02 55 31 1993 3123 geneva rutgers edu tim asks stated consider atheist , definitely believe christian god recent discussion atheists hell , combined post another group \( effect 'you go hell' \) interested consensus god might judge men catholic , told jew , buddhist , etc might go heaven , obviously people believe even see atheists pagans \( assume would lumped category \) hellbound know believe god judge , ask , opinions probably simplistic , john 3 16 , god loved world gave son , whoever believes perish eternal life genesis 15 6 , \( \) believed lord reckoned righteousness n't find anywhere god restricts heaven particular ethnic groups religious denominations category humans like drop people require believe trust hebrews says god spoke old prophets \( old testament \) , last days spoken us son jesus christ learn pages new testament bible tells us need believe never heard , leave god 's capable care , make known desires one us act upon knowledge reject claims jesus , still go heaven , joke 's reject go hell , 's joke , final gerry opinions expressed necessarily employer
dwarner journalism indiana edu \( david j \) subject detroit tigers nntp posting host journalism indiana edu reply dwarner journalism indiana edu organization indiana university lines 17 david vergolini writes roar michigan loader ever year mike head ernie back booth , tiger bats bang summer already scored 20 runs two games fielder , tettleton , deer think win division pitching ! bull ! , moore , wells , krueger make decent staff keep team many games yeah , tigers keep scoring 20 runs game i'm reading woofing correctly , one slump going pull team contention like yogi says , 'll believe believe david j \( dwarner journalism indiana edu \) blue riddle productions 1993 's rap art ep coming tape time real e mail 411
jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) subject nuclear site 's cooling towers \? organization dixie communications public access mouth south lines 99 nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes great explaination , however left one detail , always see nuclear plants , always fossil fuel plants nuclear plants prefered run water closed cycle , whereas fossil fuel plants cases get away dumping hot water recall water n't hot \( \) many fossil fuel plants , course less danger radioactive contamination actually reasons n't see many cooling towers fossil plants 1 \) fossil units \( multiple units per plant \) generally smaller nuclear plants 300 seemed popular size many fossil plants built average nuclear plant 1000 2 \) many fossil plants water discharge regulations adopted \( old dirt ca n't harm anything , let 'em go \) 3 \) powered draft cooling towers , low enough ground generally visible site , quite popular fossil plants 4 \) fossil plants used get much less regulatory attention actually , fossil fuel plants run hotter usual boiling water reactor nuclear plants \( 's gripe industry nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology \) 's important nuclear plants get cold end system cold possible hence big cooling towers oil gas fired steam plants also condensers , usually sized get steam back hot water , way ambient plants cool condensers water , rather air one canadian official , asked thermal pollution de icing river , said , , view heat resource actually condensing environment essentially plants similar size issues regardless heat comes condensers run high vacuum possible order reduce aerodynamic drag turbine condenser pressure normally water 's vapor pressure condensing temperature desirable steam exhaust free water moisture steam causes severe erosion damage turbine low pressure blades water moving high velocity causes erosion condenser tubes thus lowest pressure condensing environment always best related issue pumping condensate hotwell \( water ends dripping condenser tubes \) since condenser low pressure , force driving condensate hotwell pumps gravity condensate hot gravity head low , condensate steam bubbles cause condensate pumps particularly destructive form avoided costs hotwell pumps located lowest point plant order provide gravity head pumps much lower must function hot water allowed get hotwell typically hotwell temperatures run 100 120 degrees depending temperature river water \( term used describe river grade water even cooling tower system operating closed loop mode essentially river water pumped \) river water temperature high summer , operators typically allow hotwell level rise order provide gravity head tradeoff involved since higher hotwell levels encroach onto condensing tubes reduce condenser area least east elsewhere moisture actually exists air \) , river water almost always cooler discharge water cooling towers temperature discharge water cooling towers set ambient air temperature humidity rare east hear actual river water temperatures exceeding 70 degrees vast difference typical 95 95 days \( 95 degrees , 95 humidity \) see routinely east unusual , particularly successful rigid discharge water temperature limits plant , plant reduce firing rate air temperature gets high condenser cannot handle heat load without excessive pressure everybody runs closed cycle water used solids , otherwise crud boiler plumbing water boils water boiler use bigger job cooling , boiler water recycled true actually secondary plant \( part makes electricity feeds feedwater boiler \) water chemistry bastard recently gotten respect deserves plant chemists past decade fully understood costs impure water impure , mean water dozen extra conductivity ppm dissolved oxygen secondary water typically pure one find outside laboratory john john de armond , wd4oqc interested high performance mobility \? performance engineering magazine \( tm \) interested high tech computers \? marietta , ga send ur snail mail address jgd dixie com perform dixie com free sample mag lee harvey oswald ya need ya \?
dietrijj mentor cc purdue edu \( dietrijj \) subject deal ! ! organization purdue university computing center lines 36 boy oh boy , got deal ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! sound decided sell package deal , \( unless someone really wants something seperate , i'm open well \) kramer striker electric guitar dark metallic blue floyd rose tuning nut great action , around great guitar ! ! plus professional modular effects pedal board , chorus , graphic equilizer unique bonus buy seperate pedal boxes sort slide 4 existing slots mono input , stereo output perfect electric acoustic ! ! ! plus dod american metal distortion pedal durable , great sounding pedal goes great pedal board ! ! ! everything need great sound ! ! ! package deal 300 b ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! respond email dietrijj mentor cc purdue edu phone \( 317 \) 495 ask jason thanks advance ! ! ! jason dietrich
jek cu nih gov subject passion lines 14 mike rolfe writes know latin , one really beautiful way hear passion chanted three chants middle baritone range , jesus chants bass , others directly quoted handled high tenor done english \( music traditional latin \) many anglican parishes expect many rcc parishes would likewise st matthew passion st john passion j bach direct offshoots tradition , james kiefer
laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu \( f \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines 37 reply laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu article news ysu edu , ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) cup holders \( driving enough undertaking \) ashtrays \( smokers seem think 's fine use road \) oh , sure sorry , absence gonna discourage anyone eating drinking car let 's put one anyway , least n't distraction trying spill furthermore , obviously smoker cold day , takes certain skill toss butt cracked window without wind deflect back seat also , 'cause smokers use window , n't mean us reminds one pleasant feature otherwise ergonomically hellish interior alfa romeo milano could ash cigarette without even removing hand wheel right fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim , agree , abominations , right along fake continental spare tire kit 's sad watching little old ladies try load groceries trunk huge tire way pitiful fake convertible top cadillac , chrome door trim still visible fooling anyone course , hyundai excel saw laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu extraordinaire v little 's minister fine 0 brands sampled 55 import luxury , 17 opinions necessarily mine \( mine , either \) anyone bum sig \?
pgf srl02 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject planets still images orbit ether twist organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 8 ether see stuff must breathing posted phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject ca 's pedophilia laws article optilink organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 91 article 1993apr3 4999 hobbes kzoo edu , k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \( jamie r mccarthy \) writes cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes unfortunately , homosexuals n't believe concept freedom believe right force people hire , rent , business , regardless feelings beliefs person allow point clayton unfairly lumping entire class people , one completely abyss believing queers world think differently child molestation advocating minority soc motss , n't even notice 's starting sentence believe referent millions people irrelevant n't want lumped together group , stop insisting treated member group dreitman oregon uoregon edu \( daniel r reitman , attorney \) writes force people hire \? require people give fair look \? yes cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes give fair look decide n't want hire guy wearing nambla shirt files lawsuit lose yes , laws force hire homosexuals pedophiles , well \? sexual orientation defined anti discrimination law passed last year pedophilia n't sexual orientation \? , cramer , let describe 'd , see accurate apply job computer company see i'm wearing article homosexual , dunno , maybe silence death pin something turn ca n't darned thing go look somewhere else correct assuming wholeheartedly approve company 's actions , least wholeheartedly support right take action \? wholeheartedly support right take action would n't , unless something like nambla shirt black man applies job bank bank decides , based statistics , black person would likely steal money , denies man job would support bank 's right freedom \? , explain differs support right \( like support right engage sodomy consenting adults \) , think something wrong would n't business bank clayton repeatedly said california 's statutes classify pedophilia sexual orientation , discriminating basis sexual orientation illegal true , i'm frankly amazed n't trust clayton give whole story would someone clarify whether true , sort discrimination clayton 's talking \( jobs \? housing \? hate crimes \? \) , whether effect law really daycare hire admitted pedophile jamie mccarthy internet k044477 kzoo edu applelink j mccarthy 's law passed signed governor people state california enact follows 1 section 1 purpose act codify 2 existing case law determined gay law students v 3 pacific telephone telegraph , 24 cal 3d 458 \( 1979 \) 4 v dayton hudson corp , 235 cal app 3d 654 5 \( 1991 \) prohibiting discrimination based sexual 6 orientation 7 sec 2 section 1102 added labor code , 8 read 9 1102 1 \( \) sections 1101 1102 prohibit 10 discrimination disparate treatment terms 11 conditions employment based actual 12 perceived sexual orientation 13 \( b \) section shall apply religious 14 association corporation organized private 15 profit , whether incorporated religious public 16 benefit corporation clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
system garlic sbs com \( anthony pelliccio \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict organization 's italian kitchen excellence operating network x newsreader rusnews v1 01 lines 47 kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes tfarrell lynx dac northeastern edu \( thomas farrell \) writes funny , 've seen lot 10 15 seconds video , still think police involved guilty n't think 's excuse could possibly come would make ok n't care rodney king satan , 's excuse , whether black wanted beat somebody arresting another entirely separate question insufficient information make kind conclusion fact bunch cops putting lives n line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? oh yeah , watch start video king got prone postion charge cops \? sorry , video cuts sit watch start finish agree police may carried bit far rodney king angel either n't think guilty verdicts returned i'm sure know handed guilty verdicts two officers 's quite simple really , compromise avoid rioting places minorities think 's right riot hate say , would liked see riot everyone prepared would open season skin even slightly brown hey , motto , n't fuck stuff n't get killed 's simple tony anthony pelliccio , ae yes , read right , system garlic sbs com man went code \( ! \) extra flame sysadmin exactly one year ! calm sig !
bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject rejoinder questions israelis organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 38 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu although realize principle one strongest points , would still like know ask question sort arab countries want continue think tank charade , fixation israel must stop might start asking sort questions arab countries well realize would work , arab treatment jews last several decades bad fixation israel would begin look like biased attack everyone group recognizes stupid 'center policy research' nothing fancy name bigot hates israel n't try honest hatred israel \? heard family lived israel , members family could cut competition true family \? true \? actually israel , really personal vendetta \? least bit objective israel \? think name phony baloney center hides bias least \? get clue , mr davidsson n't realized yet post stupidity group , going incur answers people armed truth \? n't realized piece selective data piece make truth \? n't realized head \? people read group stupid would hope need place pseudo analysis continually ripped shreds , start show regard objectivity continue show anti israel zealot , trying disguise bias behind pompous name like 'center policy research ' ought know laughing stock , considered joke , either go away , make least attempt objective , place honor among clowns , bigots , idiots usenet
hpfcso fc hp com \( barry fowler \) subject impala ss going production ! organization hp colorado computer mfg operation lines 1 mean 're gonna bring back bel air \?
margoli watson ibm com \( larry margolis \) subject thought commercial advertising allowed distribution na news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 vishnepolsky r rogers lines 35 reply margoli watson ibm com \( larry margolis \) disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host watson ibm com organization village voder nsc com matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) writes article talk politics misc , margoli watson ibm com \( larry margolis \) writes would suggest legal precedent defines human \( e , person whose rights protected constitution law \) someone functioning brain , want use legal precedent , take look model penal code , many states base criminal code apologies unclear trying start statutory debate , since many \( cases conflicting \) statutes books merely suggesting paradigm might make sense pro imho pointing legal precedent defines human referring born , suggestion incorrect point unborn child human , parents clearly responsibilities toward parents toward children parent forced supply bodily resources toward children , even necessary save child 's life confusion action inaction parent run front bus save child 's life either , parent required feed children confusion bodily resources constitutes blood transfusions organ donations involve bodily resources examples larry margolis , margoli \( bitnet \) , margoli watson ibm com \( internet \)
orion oac uci edu \( john peter \) subject need make vga shades nntp posting host orion oac uci edu lines 12 routine changes color \( rgb \) attributes vga adapter , n't work mode need specifically 68 hex obscure mode , course , need change zillions colors 64 shade greyscale , correct memory address pointer need please , someone , need starting address , maybe somewhere find thank john orion oac uci edu
ravl rice edu \( dan \) subject installation problem x11r5 organization rice university lines 32 process installing x11r5 sun sparcstation 2 run problem imagine something missing screen driver , something along lines , figured someone internet land might able help installing machine already openlook installed , would like installed concurrently thus , set compile usr x11r5 directory worked kinks getting compiled \( gcc \) , compiles without warnings need installed pex si , set appropriate flags run , however , get message along lines getting interface configuration operation supported socket inappropriate ioctl device fatal server error screens found ideas fix \? please respond e mail address thanks advance dan want works want dying woody allen dan dept electrical computer engineering rice edu rice university uunet ! rice edu ! uunet uu net houston , tx
franklig helium gas uug arizona edu \( gregory c franklin \) subject mouse com3 com4 windows organization university arizona , tucson lines 23 article bcstec ca boeing com isbell bcstec ca boeing com \( robert isbell \) writes jpaparel cs ulowell edu \( joseph paparella \) writes problem configuring mouse windows use com3 irq5 com1 com2 used support two 24 hour bbs lines , go com1 com3 use irq , therefore ca n't use mouse com3 modem com1 , vice versa 's limitation dos fact windows see mouse anything com1 com2 accept fact , either get bus mouse , get new computer would also like know possible use mouse ports com1 com2 advice applies greg franklin franklig gas uug arizona edu
wil shell portal com \( ville v walveranta \) subject digitizing tablet questions nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 15 hong \( tamuts tamu edu \) wrote i'm market small \( \) digitizing tablet would like comments main names see , , major differences \? particular preference \? also look avoid \? thanks input provide hong \( tamuts tamu edu \) ville v walveranta tel fax \( 510 \) 420 0729 96 linda ave , apt 5 finland 990 1 510 420 0729 oakland , ca \( faxes automatically recognized \) usa email wil shell portal com
lorenzo rintintin colorado edu \( eric lorenzo \) subject integra gsr nntp posting host rintintin colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 25 article 1993apr5 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( \) writes n't look motor trend 's , slalom times , 67 9 , right along integra , car small 14 inch tires weather , mention integra rides alot better beretta gs came weather tires took right front bumper sliding packed snow \( ice \) , learned fact immediately bought definately weather 4 walk everyday even michelin dealer bought new tires said made different rubber gets really hard slick weather gets near said 'd try sell tires winter texas colorado thanks , eric inactive lifestyle eric j lorenzo violates genetic warranty lorenzo rintintin colorado edu excercise also spot ucsu fully human keith
network com \( rob \) subject really rise \? \? \? reply network com organization network systems corporation lines 71 article 1373 geneva rutgers edu , parkin eng sun com \( michael parkin \) writes another issue importance crucification god tragic mistake believe tragic mistake god 's never accomplished disbelief man finished reading good book , god , helpful applying thought subject god broke god three distinct parts intentional , , ultimate \( \) also refuted last statement \( \) michael parkin quite nicely summarizing despite failures humankind , god 's ultimate never defeated god 's intentions may interfered , even temporarily defeated humankind , brought circumstance ultimate \( humankind \) never stopped time time , used cross best description process work points , paraphrased , 1 \) god 's intentional jesus , christ , live full life perform work living god 2 \) failures , sins , humankind frustrated god 's intent son 3 \) despite circumstance , god 's ultimate revealed cross , jesus willingly \( , lord , \) died redemption humankind cross utterly triumphant , overcoming even cruel circumstances world build kingdom heaven earth desperately wanted jewish people accept messiah crucification god could jesus pray cup pass weakness never many men women given lives country noble causes jesus less knew crucification god intentional god , thus enabling victory ultimate god 's jewish people accept jesus messiah kingdom heaven established earth jesus 's head right , intentional \( like jewish people expected \) happened 2000 years ago imagine kind world would live today would different world eactly god wanted men women age could saved following living messiah earth jesus could established sinless lineage would continued reign ascension spiritual world live god kingdom heaven earth wait christ 's return returns recognized find faith earth n't time return 's almost 2000 years know neither time place return thief night peace rob legal jumbo follows mail post reflects opinions poster \( author \) , manner reflects corporate policy , statement , opinion , expression network systems corporation
lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization ideology busters , inc lines 11 according wnci 97 9 fm radio morning , dayton , ohio operating gun buy back giving 50 every functional gun turned ran money one day , passing 50 vouchers sort looking funds keep operating another media event brought hci something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works larry cipriani l v cipriani att com
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject bo good player , shorts \( plus idiots \) organization university virginia lines 35 article 1993apr5 1 otago ac nz guilford otago ac nz writes article 1993apr4 princeton edu , roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes article 1993apr4 1 otago ac nz guilford otago ac nz writes bo jackson 1963 1988 kcr 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 253 67 243 288 455 1989 kcr 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 274 92 259 314 507 1990 kcr 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 286 77 272 343 519 1991 cws 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 240 10 225 337 394 maj 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 270 246 256 316 489 maj 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 jackson looked like 88 91 , everything converted neutral park , basis run production equivalent average started 253 88 , 274 89 286 90 let us say established , last two seasons , 280 level play good good , fact probably n't make top ten league 10th best eqa al 1992 dave winfield 's 296 thomas first 350 first nl bonds , 378 tenth roberts , 297 280 better season past five years joe carter mattingly 1988 \( 285 \) felix jose last two years ahead time five year average better ryan klesko 's got attention media warranted baseball playing , though hype lot better hitting basis net comments overrated media would beleive great hitter think good , maybe good hitter imo , something like 30th best hitter majors clay
mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) nntp posting host herky cs uiowa edu organization university iowa , iowa city , ia , usa lines 16 article lynx unm edu , osinski chtm eece unm edu \( marek osinski \) well , take long see consequent greeks requesting thessaloniki called solun bulgarian netters , napoleon , write konstantinople istanbul \? marek osinski thessaloniki called thessaloniki inhabitants last 2300 years city never called solun inhabitants called konstantinoupolis 320 ad 1920s 's 1600 years many people alive today born city called konstantinoupolis many people know born city called solun napoleon
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject salvation deeds organization indiana university lines 3 another guess salvation riddle would saved joe fisher
gchin ssf eng sun com \( gary chin \) subject christians church members reply gchin ssf eng sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 13 years , met christians associated local church members local church issue may personal , important bible say encourage friends regard issue \? gary chin staff engineer sun microsystems mt view , ca gchin eng sun com
subject smartdrv exe causing bad sectors hd \? netlink cts com \( john driver \) organization netlink online communications , san diego ca lines 47 something unusual happen first background system mitsubishi 63 meg hard drive , running smartdrv \( version comes windows 3 1 \) rarely use windows use program called disk technician gold v1 14 diagnostics live time hard drive works device driver detect whenever one read necessary file , anything else wrong , minor problems fully checked upon rebooting hard drive notorious bad sectors usually end 8 new bad sectors week 's happened ran program , dtg broke emergency warning recommended reboot gave message twice program fully loaded exited program dtg went bootup process , examining new errors etc , screen popped said something sectors brief period time went back program , executed , exact error detected rebooted tried , error happened , removed dtg memory , went program see could detect anything wrong sure enough number read attempts rebooted reloaded dtg , removed cache executed program read errors , either audible detected dtg quit program , loaded cache , ran program errors detected ok , errors , dtg detects n't fix , cache loaded cache loaded errors , see cache interfering files , went gold tagged files , searched random string \( words , wanted program completely read every file hard drive \) got c 's dtg detected least six errors recommended reboot anybody , idea smartdrv causing hard drive \? oh , exactly two per file , 1 every 100 files affected originally posted message disk technician corp 's system , figured someone netland may know enough smartdrv help internet netlink cts com \( john driver \) uucp ! ! netlink ! netlink online communications public access san diego , ca \( 619 \) 453 1115
betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) subject randy weaver trial update day 1 nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer fan club lines 49 copy first update randy weaver trial large response \( 15 email messages \) , 've decided sufficient interest p g warrant posting file follows hi folks perhaps boise resident list , guess kind falls keep people updated randy weaver kevin harris trial yesterday marked seating jury apparently legal activities occurred jury selected things start today interesting happenned outside dozen weaver supporters showed stage protest outside courthouse one woman carried sign read , stands trial murder vicki \( son 's name forget \) weaver \? evening news said , protesting believe freedom speech freedom religion thought nice sound bite \( grin \) ! news reporter also interviewed guy named tim refused give last name guy , looked like neo nazi also said expected many neo nazis show throughout trial tim handing support weaver harris news footage boise cop telling move along 'd arrest n't know points one perhaps 's law political activity within x feet courthouse something \( happenned first amendment \? ! \? \) ominous local reporter filmed agent gestapo err atf protestors ! welcome world big brother anyhow , gerry spence came asked protestors leave n't think would help weaver 's case said confident , evidence came , weaver would stuff comes available drew
walkup cs washington edu \( elizabeth walkup \) subject menangitis question organization computer science engineering , u washington , seattle distribution na lines 19 article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes one common forms meningitis 's one sometimes sweeps schools boot camp contagious kills attacking covering brain , causing blood vessels brain swell live throat carriers n't worry , wo n't get , especially took medication assuming one cultured throat laden given \( taken \) course without culture becoming negative , one worry carrier \? elizabeth walkup cs washington edu
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject thoughts nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 12 james felder \( spbach lerc nasa gov \) wrote logic alert argument incredulity hard believe n't mean n't true liars look koresh cite whole basis great many rejecting christian account things words st madalyn murrey o'hair , face folks , 's silly okay disbelieve incredulity admit 's fallacy \? bill
charles p cox , jr cox snowhite eeap cwru edu subject calling mac gurus organization case western reserve university lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host student cwru edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 x xxmessage id student cwru edu x xxdate mon , 19 apr 93 04 56 52 gmt question familiar quadra vram put 2 256k vram simms quadra 700 \( 2 slots closest ram simm slots \) got results whatsoever told built video support least 16bit maybe 24bit color macintosh color display however , monitors control panel still lists 8bit \( 256 colors \) highest possible make difference slots put simms \? something activate \? something monitors control panel \? btw , running system 7 1 8 megs ram charles p cox , jr computer engineering case western reserve university po cwru edu cox snowhite eeap cwru edu
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject eternity hell \( hell \) organization florida state university lines 26 vic mmalt guild org \( vic kulikauskas \) writes moderator writes i'm inclined read descriptions lake fire indicating annihilation however 's minority view 's personal view , denominations know hold officially jw 's sda 's ca n't find reference right , n't c lewis speculate somewhere hell might state human soul \? notion god takes sort pleasure punishing people \? purpose hell destroy devil angels earlier poster tried support eternal hell theory fact fallen angels destroyed , remember bible teaches god reserved day judgement judgement soon come let suggest maybe believe eternal hell theory provide biblical evidence find stay away human theories , take account references bible darius
mark ocsmd ocs com \( mark wilson \) subject wanted nine mile walk organization online computer systems , inc x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 distribution misc forsale lines 31 article crossposted rec arts books author mark wilson posted wed , 21 apr 1993 11 55 55 gmt looking following book , seen paperback \( lent copy someone , forgetfulness made pronoun permanently ! \) looking one two copies ! title nine mile walk stories \( unsure exact \) author harry \( author rabbi mysteries \) 's collection short mystery stories please email mark ocsmd ocs com call 800 number given thanks ! mark mark wilson , online computer systems 1 800 922 9204 1 301 601 2215 \( try email address mark ocsmd ocs com \) file disclaims everything signed signature , mean ! mark wilson , online computer systems 1 800 922 9204 1 301 601 2215 \( try email address mark ocsmd ocs com \) file disclaims everything signed signature , mean !
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject ggrrrrrr ! ! cages double parking motorc organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 32 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 1 cs cmu edu , jfriedl ri cmu edu \( jeffrey \) writes egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes apartment complex used live tried , put thing driver 's window , could n't miss see liability putting stickers car moving , something , 's bdi chooses start drive car known unsafe condition would \( seem \) liable effort made remove sticker came pieces , leaving firmly attached window dark , around 10 00 pm sticker \( mangled ineffective attempt torn \) warned car would towed removed reasonable person would arguably driven car accident occured , n't think friend 's attorney would much trouble fixing blame apartment practical matter , even without conviction , cost inconvenience defending suit would considerable moral matter , pretty fucking stupid thing paltry violation parking without authorization sticker \( btw , n't somebody 's spot , resident , , parking \) ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) subject open letter mr clinton organization chinet public access unix lines 13 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes 's simple way convert clipper proposal unexceptionable one make voluntary get high quality secure nsa classified technology agree escrow key otherwise long means use encryption , i'm sold bruce
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject state justice originator rja mahogany126 lines 36 nntp posting host mahogany126 organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! article 1993apr15 143320 8618 desire wright edu , demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes judge denied gm 's new trial motion , even though gm says two new witnesses said occupant truck dead impact , fire thoughts \? 's kind scary realize judges going start denying new trials even new evidence contradicts facts led previous ruling appear welcome conservative judiciary judge decided new witnesses believed \? n't jury \? think 's point get one chance new information comes later , tough want justice , hope governor feeling charitable 's guy death row texas denied new trial , dispite evidence members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias gm \? n't enough judge old verdict call new trial \? whatever happened jurors objective \? got swept away reagan revolution russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
po cwru edu \( sam \) subject joe robbie stadium baseball article po 114 organization case western reserve university lines 27 nntp posting host student cwru edu article 1993apr6 oswego oswego edu iacs3650 oswego edu \( kevin mundstock \) writes iacs3650 oswego edu \( kevin mundstock \) subject joe robbie stadium baseball date 6 apr 93 02 50 27 gmt anyone notice words baseball printed picture joe robbie stadium opening day season preview section usa today \? reason given \? would assume words \( saw picture \) indicated seats available baseball games look picture diamond stadium , relation areas marked baseball , seats look terrible watching baseball , happen reach post season , would imagine would consider opening seats , surely worry future sam po cwru edu champion , people see 'd like loser , see actually , treat scorn secure initial pleasure , fermented grain decidedly time
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject ban firearms ! nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 20 article 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes firearms tend fall low dollar pound area \? either denominator could dollar value gun would \( course \) go supply restricted weight gun might go significantly technology improved n't think basis assert would economic smuggle production would local many people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch skill easily taught anyone modicum mechanical aptitude motivator needed money guns banned motivator would kick big time , course , proposition every machine shop make guns side ai n't rebuilding engines ban guns watch happens 'll schedule year advance get brakes \)
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sgi lines 31 nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article na4 horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article kmr4 1571 po cwru edu kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes pushed back undefined meaning must define objective values really \? n't know objective value \? offered people u , collectively , 1 land america , would sound like good deal \? mean find ridiculous price , rest us supposed conclude objectively correct price exists \? said nothing price asked deal good n't complete non sequitur , \? coming deal tell us anything existence objective values 're asking us accept deal offered would turned , believe , appeal objective values becasue know , think know , something people people know exhibit subjective values would lead reject deal 1 land america great , \? jon
bhjelle carina unm edu \( \) subject new diet works great ! ! ! ! organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 19 nntp posting host carina unm edu article 1993apr21 omen uucp caf omen uucp \( chuck forsberg wa7kgx \) writes article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes provide reference substantiate gaining back lost weight constitute weight rebound exceeds starting weight \? oral tradition shared among obesity researchers \? one , two obesity europe 88 , proceedings 1st european congress obesity annals ny acad sci 1987 hmmm n't look like references passive aggressive behavior associated weight rebound \? \) brian
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject quadras vram question reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 39 disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info daniel salber salber imag fr writes question regarding quadras vram tried find info could get precise answers one hand , quadra 950 16 monitor , capable 32 bit color much vram \? display millions colors 16 monitor need 2mb vram q950 hand , quadra 800 16 monitor , capable 8 bit color , must 512 ko vram correct amount board vram q800 comes would like take vram simms 950 put 800 machines 16 bit color capability possible , yes , many vram simms take 950 \? yes possible technically , need take 2 vram simms leaving two get anything 950 cannot really anything 1 5mb vram knows 1mb 2mb documentation , quadra 800 must get 1 mo vram 16 bit color , correct \? yes , correct get 1mb putting 2 256k vram simms vram simm slots q800 's motherboard bonus question vram simms hide \? 950 documentation , seem behind power supply really take power supply access vram simms \? yup take power supply 's couple screws ok make sure everything disconnected watch static discharges
dennisn ecs comm mot com \( dennis newkirk \) subject proton centaur \? organization motorola nntp posting host 145 1 146 43 lines 31 article oh access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes question proton , could handled one ksc 's spare pads , without major malfunction , could handled kourou vandenberg \? seems like lot trouble go probably better invest newer launch systems n't think big cost advantage using russian systems last long \( maybe years \) lockheed would place ask , since would probably buy proton \( market proton world wide except russia \) know lot possibilities , n't heard propose us launches , assume looked found uses , yes long would take russians equip something cape york \? comparable suppose , since looks like nothing built , might well pick spot message launch cheap russia still cooperating later , story may different dennis newkirk \( dennisn ecs comm mot com \) motorola , land mobile products sector schaumburg , il
dutiws twi tudelft nl \( r v \) subject adding hard drive original ibm pc keywords hard drive , ibm pc organization delft university technology lines 22 article panix com schuster panix com \( michael schuster \) writes article saltillo cs utexas edu cs utexas edu \( keith \) writes original ibm pc \( xt \) never hard drive questions 1 need new bios add hard drive \? 2 anyone sell complete package \? please e mail suggestions need add hard drive sent mail need 10 82 bios support rom bios extensions , rom hard disk controller 20 mb hard card , available much 100 , trick proper bios date use norton si similar program find also need set correct switch settings xt controller , pain , since pc 's n't come proper docs hardware contained inside
rash access digex com \( wayne rash \) subject 17 monitors organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 50 nntp posting host access digex net rock concert net \( michael g support \) writes said nanao t560i best monitor get money also said mitsubishi diamond pro 17 next best choice superb picture quality monitor around 1070 anyone actually seen \? responsible choosing standard components company part review got viewsonic 7 , mitsubishi 17 , nanao picked f550i even though costs two choices best clarity text fuzzy viewsonic 7 worst , mitsubishi 17 much better nanao f550i blows water n't understand nanao much better since one would think mitsubishi 17 's trinitron tube would better imagine nanao t560i must incredible beter f550i michael g \( rock concert net \) light end tunnel may oncoming dragon one monitors reviewed june issue windows magazine mitsubishi also reviewed new nanao , f550iw , released last year may '92 issue windows , reviewed several monitors , including nanao t560i 's question nanao monitors best available year , last year difference ranking best windows ranking windows sources due mainly difference testing criteria scoring used different tests , scored differently 's nothing wrong mitsubishi , scored highly tests , points shy perfect incidentally , one things everyone 're reading reviews product , whether 's monitors mice , read criteria methodology carefully unless know product testing done , scores based , ca n't possibly know really mean seeing rank monitor differently windows sources meaningless without knowing ranking likewise , 's impossible tell whether monitor meet needs unless know testing , may apply likewise , may apply closely one review another ca n't always tell anything reading 300 words commentary write n't also understand scoring wayne rash
apland mala bc ca \( ron apland \) subject w4wg novell organization malaspina college lines 29 article 1993apr27 1 csc canterbury ac nz , csc canterbury ac nz \( nick fitzgerald , pc software consultant , csc , , nz \) writes article msuinfo cl msu edu , bilan cps msu edu \( thomas j bilan \) writes put lastdrive z config sys , netx run ca n't access drive f log novell n't put lastdrive z config sys ca n't access w4wg drives file manager seems way make netx work lastdrive statement config sys first , n't used w4wg \( think 's change ! \) problem lastdrive command way netware general \( case netx particular \) adds drives device chain setting lastdrive z means \( opposed unused \) drive letters netware use , drive mappings onto end existing list drives w4wg obviously attaches network drives existing , unused drive letters 'd guess next thing 'd try something like lastdrive , machines leave fair drives w4wg still allow 13 netware drive mappings well w4wg requires dos drives use lastdrive j makes first novell drive k leaves drives g , h , j w4wg local dos drives use f ron
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution na lines 59 article magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes n't know anyone state gun control could effect homicide rates n't think anyone arguing would effect would net positive effect also consider negative side law abiding citizens , armed \( pistols part \) , prevent 80 , 000 \( national crime survey \) 1 , 000 , 000 \( dr kleck \) crimes year \( extremes studies find number 500 , 000 600 , 000 \) 1 crimes homicides , private ownership firearms saves approximately 5 , 000 lives year roughly 12 , 000 criminal homicides fatal accidents involving guns year net benefit , would show gun control measures would disarm 40 criminals currently using guns would hard according federal batf , 8 criminals buy guns counter since gun control laws , nature , effect legal sales , law would remove benefits armed , law abiding citizens minimal effect armed criminals \( , large , get guns illegally \) n't sound like net benefit 250 accidental handgun homicides america 1990 , licensed weapons since licensed weapons , assume supporting reasonable laws \( e waiting periods , background checks , licenses , etc \) since complete ban would alter statistic refer , assume 's supporting way , 1135 people dies 1986 falling stairs 250 accidental handgun deaths n't significant next household accidents american children accidentally shot children last year \( 15 \) handgun homicides great britain 1080 children age 10 died drowning , 69 drinking poisonous household chemicals \( like \) , 139 falls real goal reduce tragic , accidental deaths children , would n't ban drain cleaners better start \? \( , perhaps , restricting ownership professionals like \? \) please dictionary arguments rates vs total numbers , okay \? 're offered emphasis , comparison \) might call emphasis , refering completely two statistics sentence implies comparison n't valid , put numbers together convince people right , thing could call propaganda frank crary cu boulder
klein pavo concordia ca \( corelmark ! \) subject cubs expos roster questions news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host concordia ca organization concordia university lines 26 article msu oscs montana edu , alird msu oscs montana edu writes article 1993apr15 1 vmsb csupomona edu , vmsb csupomona edu writes today \( 4 14 \) cubs activated p mike harkey dl , move make room harkey \? also , delino deshields john wetteland expos dl \? thanks anyone give info ! ken cal poly , pomona wetteland dl effective march 26 something like rick wetteland comes dl april 23rd , evaluated 24th throwing well , without pain side deshields dl suffered chicken pox lost \( official total \) 12 pounds back , hopefully , next week walker back tonight tomorrow corelmark ! montreal
ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) subject 77 's \? organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated thanx logistician reigns supreme ! ! ! go blue ! ! ! go tigers ! ! ! go pistons ! ! ! go lions ! ! ! go red wings ! ! ! ching wpi wpi edu
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject adding vram quadra 800 \? keywords vram quadra 800 reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 15 wstuartj lucky ecn purdue edu \( w stuart jones \) writes want go 512k 1m vram quadra 800 many 512k simms need buy \? none need buy 2 80ns 256k vram simms cost 30 favorite memory distributor current 512k soldered board need take current vram add \? 512k soldered logic board 2 simm slots expansion hades
cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) subject ban firearms ! reply cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) organization north coast public access nix , cleveland , oh lines 24 quoted 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu firearms tend fall low dollar pound area would economic smuggle production would local many people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis , average person , average thug , would lucky get zip gun would pay nose n't know much modern automatic weapons , \? anybody basic manufacturing skill turn high quality couple high school shop teachers recently arrested building school shop suggest go library find copy world entire premise based non factual assumptions 're like bunch educated , new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva
king reasoning com \( dick king \) subject selective placebo organization reasoning systems , inc , palo alto , ca lines 20 nntp posting host drums reasoning com article 1993apr17 rose com ron roth rose com \( ron roth \) writes otoh , kidding , new england medical journal 1984 ran heading ninety percent diseases treatable drugs surgery , echoed several reports wonder mds amused alternative medicine , since 20 magic placebo effect would award alternative practitioners twice success rate conventional medicine 1 90 diseases thing 90 patients world one disease strikes 100 people , nine incurable diseases strikes one person , medical science cure 91 patients report 90 diseases therapy 2 disease would counted among 90 nothing better placebo known course mds ethically bound knowingly dispense placebos dk
jmarttila finabo abo fi \( fast eddie \) subject trident 8800cs drivers win 3 1 \? organization turku school economics x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 15 hello 've got old trident 8800cs svga card , lacking suitable drivers windows 3 1 drivers 8900 series seem incompatible anyone idea get drivers \? address ftp site would nice thanks advance jouni jouni yo 11 b 25 , 20540 turku , finland 358 21 jmarttila abo fi jmarttila finabo jmarttila utu fi pgp key available via finger jmarttila abo fi
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject help simm configuration reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 22 rcs8 po cwru edu \( robert c sprecher \) writes someone please help understand current situation regarding simms \? sure give shot iisi probably keep another 2 years would like add memory , ie go 5 mb 17 mb know need 4 x 4mb , 80ns faster simms simms , 30 pin 72 pin \? need get 30 pin simms would simms get today usable 2 years newer , powerful system \? mean newer , powerful mac system answer apple stated new macs use 72 pin simms longer use 30 pin simms hades
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject many read sci space \? organization express access online communications usa lines 52 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr16 sol uvic ca rborden ugly uvic ca \( ross borden \) writes article 306 access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes old days , used arbitron analyzed readership posting volumes group user available uunet 's check readership sci space , stupid unscientific attempt flood newsgroup idea n't reply directly post , tell read sci space \) pat sigh try make little joke , try inject humour happens \? immortal words foghorn leghorn say , joke , son thought bit mcelwaine , mention two smileys , would indicate even humour impaired joking sigh \( everyone pat 's suggestion \( thanks bunches , pat \) please stop sending email \) shot man watch die ross borden i'm going disneyland ! rborden ra uvic ca , put wink end suggestion indicating intensely sarcastic ca n't help everyone got serious ross never saw original posting dropped floor somewhere saw trickle , thought intensely stupid , knowing anything joke , mentioned arbitron left equally stupid joke bill ever increasing devotion thoroughness dug several arbitron stats think arbitron stats severely impaired , good measure proportion n't think anyone knows many people read news anymore pat
hagenjd wfu edu \( jeff hagen \) subject improvements automatic transmissions organization wake forest university lines 18 nntp posting host ac wfunet wfu edu summary query keywords saturn , subaru , manual , automatic biggest hurdle automatics \( imho \) shifting speed per se , rather transmission 's reaction speed try force shift manually biggest fault subaru took tranny find right ratio sales propaganda says saturn automatic effectively electronically shifted manual might mean saturn conquered problem \? \( dunno , driven saturn 5 speeds \) input , please ! another question plans manual trans chrysler lh \? anyone else fall asleep night dreaming combo \?
max max maxim rinaco msk su subject test message distribution world organization home reply max maxim rinaco msk su keywords test lines 2 's test message
marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) subject warning \( please read \) organization purdue university please stick automotive topics thank lines 1
gs26 prism gatech edu \( glenn r stone \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! reply glenns eas gatech edu distribution git organization group w bench lines 36 news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes quotes lot stuff unnecessarily article hydra gatech edu glenns eas gatech edu writes worth posting hey , gang , 's duck hunting , dark alleys , 's black clad , booted troops storming houses violating civil rights color law ready defend constitution \? also crazy fatigue clad types blasting snot people accidentally stray onto land name 'self defense ' n't get self righteous , mr gun ai n't got pair n't blast people wandering , ask 're blast people display obvious violent intent like black clad men weapons climbing thru second story windows , people break door instead knocking people knock house tanks set sound familiar yet \? riddle hell convicted criminals ohio getting kid glove treatment , bd 's burned alive without trial \? put aside started blaze , still think decent make case cruel unusual punishment , playing sounds tortured rabbits loudspeakers \( 's \? \) oh , 's mister gun sir , choose abandon rights , leave mine hell alone , glenn r stone \( glenns eas gatech edu \) impeach clinton , reno case prima
informatik tu muenchen de \( haber joerg \) subject ray tracing spline surfaces keywords ray tracing , splines originator mathematik tu muenchen de organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 17 hi net ! due investigation would like study following article peterson , ray tracing general b splines , proc acm mountain regional conference , april 1986 unfortunately n't find library 's register anyone access paper knowing library containing proceedings \( germany \) , please let know ! help would appreciated ! thanks lot , joerg haber joerg haber mathematik tu muenchen de institut tu muenchen
iastate edu \( michael r hartman \) subject car stereo stolen \? organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 36 article rice edu xray rice edu \( kenneth dwayne ray \) writes front panel car stereo stolen weekend need buy front panel sony xr car stereo understanding purpose removeable front panels make radio useless , thus discourage theft \( cover removed owner taken along whenever car left \) covers sold anything remarkably less radio originally costs , even sold , would n't great personally would unhappy , bought radio like , thinking removing cover greatly depreciated radio 's value , covers sold company \( legitimate source \) cheaply front covers available sony check local car stereo shop probably \( definitely \) provide units serial number hopefully registered warranty card n't know cost , replacements available people damage face cover , stands reason replaced deterring theft worked stereo shop , referred customer sony 800 number would sell face , available people came asking face cover \( matter \) would look find acquired deck could n't use theft occurs decks , notify sony serial numbers catch thought , michael
slate mines colorado edu \( gallagher andrea j \) subject xalloccolor fails return nearest match reply ngorelic speclab cr usgs gov organization colorado school mines lines 23 posted friend okay , looked faqs n't see , know come xalloccolor supposed following order try find exact match read color cell \( within hardware limits \) try allocate read colorcell set match else fails , return colorcell best match read colors already allocated colormap sounds good theory n't seem work way though exact match already colormap , cells , xalloccolor fails , even already allocated several cells already , dozens read cells already colormap bug \? feature \? misunderstanding part \? help appreciated , noel \( ngorelic speclab cr usgs gov \)
g coulter daresbury ac uk \( g coulter \) subject shadow optical raytracing package \? reply g coulter daresbury ac uk organization serc daresbury laboratory , uk lines 17 nntp posting host dl ac uk hi everyone looking software called shadow far know simple raytracer used visualization synchrotron beam lines old version program , unfortunately n't documentation anyone knows get docs , maybe newer version program even another program sort thing would love hear ps think shadow written f \? anyone ideas \? thanks gary serc daresbury lab
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject gamma ray bursters organization lick observatory uco lines 56 nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu reply prb access digex com 's message 23 apr 1993 23 58 19 0400 article att access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? distribution isotropic intensity distribution , crudely speaking , indicates 're seeing edge distribution given enormous power , wondering , quantum black holes something like fairly close \? would galactic ranges \? , good old days gro data , thought gamma bursters neutron stars galaxy , expected gro would confirm either showing local population \( within hundred light years \) galactic halo \( mechanism known several plausible ones existed \) \( also fair noted brightest burster probably lmc , suggesting theorists might wrong back \) sun center galaxy halo population show \( local disk population ruled completely stage \) avoid push halo , energy gets large , mechanism getting ns far becomes questionable , start see example andromeda 's bursters data consistent either oort cloud distribution \( \) one think plausible source right spectrum , cosmological distances \( hence \) edge edge universe \) cosmological distances need high energy \( detect \) compact source \( spectrum \) , ergo neutron star colliding another neutron star black hole even getting spectrum hard , conceivable know anything physics level , bursters due quantum black holes cosmic strings , wrong spectrum one thing situation complicated recent claims two classes sources \) colliding ns 'd actually probably fit relatively easily ns ns ns bh collision scenarios respectively pet theory 's flying saucers entering hyperspace \) reason asking everyone assumes colliding stars spinning black holes , wondered mechanism could exist place closer think one , remember invite stockholm steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer laws gravity , strict 're bending benefit b b 1988
gregg netcom com \( gregg weber \) subject inexpensive monochrome x station recommend \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 10 someone recommend inexpensive 19 monochrome x station , pc software emulation based \? please tell manufacturer , model , price significant specs thanks gregg weber let , open bright like sky , gregg netcom com without taking sides , clouds concepts \( 510 \) 283 kun chen pa
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject hlv fred \( space station \? \) article iti 1993apr6 organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 22 article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes titan iii cheapest us launcher lb basis case 's rather ironic poorly commercial market single titan iii order \? problems biggest technical problem need find two satellites going rough orbit also n't show much interest commercial launches money made titan iv 's government , n't every day find sucker , er , customer thinks paying three times commercial rate launch services good idea ! allen allen w sherzer great man one nothing leaves aws iti org nothing undone 71 days first flight dcx
hplsla hp com \( thatch harvey \) subject mercury capri restrictions organization hp lake stevens , wa lines 24 restriction could car convertible lot laws passed concerning convertibles 80 's states may require greater rollover protection capri thatch harvey thatch harvey uucp \( longer valid \) domain hplsla hp com hewlett packard lake stevens instrument division lake stevens , wa \( 206 \) 335 merkur , suzuki , prince sports racer
mahan tgv com \( patrick l mahan \) subject , newsgroup dead \? organization internet lines 24 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu , rlm helen surfcty com 've gotten posts group last couple days \( recently added feed list \) , group near death \? seen mailing list side , i'm getting right amount traffic patrick l mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv com waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime first offense , notebooks lazarus long patrick l mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv com waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime first offense , notebooks lazarus long
palmer larc nasa gov \( michael palmer \) subject tapped , code good organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 52 distribution inet nntp posting host larc nasa gov article 1993apr21 chpc org rboudrie chpc org \( rob boudrie \) writes article c5so84 hxv demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes article 2073 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes clinton clipper good , make public many people exchange ideas examine , rather isolated \( respected \? \? perhaps one time released algorithm , would possible someone come implementation identical , lacking escrowed key note press announcement mentioned algorithm kept secret security key escrow system case security means escrowed key every clipper chip assuming believed said effective algorithm , escrow system , would buy \( \) chip firm escrowed key \( b \) second source chip reputable firm b key government escrow would obviously powerful economic incentives second source , non escrowed , vendor second sources pin compatible non clipper algorithm chips also escrowed keys \? reputable firm produces chip \( escrowed key \) pop replacement clipper chip phone , uses algorithm widely known evaluated trusted , 's problem \? clipper going reverse engineered anyway organization sufficient resources \( say billions cocaine dollars \? \) drug dealers 're worried slipping cracks law abiding \( non incredibly wealthy \) citizens , naturally , recourse claiming algorithm ca n't released prevent people using non key escrowed chips plain deceitful analysis chip output provide information necessary headers whatnot , bad guys could build chips using different algorithm still escrow keys , could buy bunches cheap phones k mart every week , play swap clipper chip cellular phone every day michael palmer man crazy writes secret palmer larc nasa gov way one conceal ripem key server vulgar roger bacon , 1220
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject proton centaur \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 9 anyone looked possiblity proton centaur combo \? would benefits problems combo \( obvious instability \) \? \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) know believe understand think said sure realize said meant
ian csc liv ac uk \( ian finch \) subject x events generated application exit \? organization knee deep sky high lines 18 nntp posting host rib csc liv ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 i'm writing application running x \( using motif \) , need stuff application quits , shut x windows session , n't seem send \( whatever \) signal application \( i'm trapping various signals like \) therefore , thought could use x signal check top level window destroyed however seem get events whenever move windows way check window actually destroyed \( field check combination events \? \) replies e mail please summarise thanks help , ian ian compsci liverpool ac uk
keith radio nl nuwc navy mil subject tektronix 453 scope sale article radio 621 lines 19 x received usenet pa dec com id tue , 6 apr 93 14 51 58 0700 x received inet gw 1 pa dec com id tue , 6 apr 93 14 51 53 0700 x misc forsale usenet tektronix 453 scope sale 50mhz bandwidth portable \( one series ! \) delayed sweep works fine n't manual \( available various places \) probes 275 shipping email info regards , keith keith , radio nl nuwc navy mil
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject div conf names organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , distribution na lines 89 1993apr18 hubcap clemson edu jwodzia uucp \( john wodziak \) writes sorry roger mr really means ie said hopes fans american southeast follow names divisions odds people displaced \( probably already fans \) order proverbial 's hell clear trying say asked somone , never heard hockey , la played smythe division think response would \? asked person la played west division \? naming divisions long dead entrepreneurs unnecessary obfuscation glad names changed another reason names patrick , smythe , norris , adams campbell names called builders game type thinking put stein hall fame absolute nonsense real builders game richard , , howe , conacher , orr , etc going name divisions people least name divisions people deserve yes people deserve hockey greats old division names took account patrick , norris , smythe prince alot origins league people came already established situation much easier element change hardly established situation existed prior smythe , et al stanley cup challenge trophy grabs whatever team could successfully mount challenge dear founders formalize challenge created closed league , professional system , interests making money er system contributed better hockey certainly debatable , however , stuck invention de academic point made , however , people played hockey people enjoyed watching hockey long smythe pals showed standout existing situation someone creates new situation want honor players like bobby orr i'm sure find reason name best offensive defenseman 's wrong best defenceman , period \? ever better defenceman \? ever better player \? think bruce contribution somehow significant bobby orr 's , interests education , n't take poll find many people know norris \? n't , \? ca n't reasons gave i'm boat jason grew current names learned 10 years old played division 10 year old american learn would hard occasional fan pick plays division \? n't feel make effort remember vancouver plays west division \? \( pacific , whatever intuitively understandable moniker chosen \) oh see point intention alert us erosion purity 'll bet like hockey 's , part , played whites european extraction probably case i'm sure said would like saying maple leafs fans biased , closed minded , ignorant , course neatly deleted jason 's rant game losing quoting context credibility mine position clearly progressive anything biased , closed minded , ig arrogant , grant arrogant , someone \) n't like mr basketball , b \) voices opinion c \) likes going mean right insult nice try john flame truly effective display least enough intelligence earn target 's respect cordially , always , rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca
johnsd2 rpi edu \( dan johnson \) subject atheists hell reply johnsd2 rpi edu organization sun microsystems lines 38 article athos rutgers edu , atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) writes seen two common threads running postings atheists newsgroup , think used explain unfortunately n't direct quotes handy 1 \) atheists believe die , die forever 2 \) god would condemn fail believe eternal death unfair n't see problem ! christians , hell , definition , eternal death exactly atheists expecting die problem hell , permanent death indeed atheists \( generally \) expect neither fair unfair , might well argue whether made mostly carbon water fair however , atheists claim hell unfair talking fire brimstone place endless suffering , necessarily includes eternal existance \( life , dunno , sort continuation \) thing granted , clearly feel hell death , sentiment near tell idea god condemns ordinary death , problem problem gods hide humans torture unbelievers eternally guessing right deletia hell , dan johnson god said jeeze , dull dull genesis 0 0 opinions probably show know
sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) subject using california 's antidiscrimination sort case predicted organization exnet systems ltd public access news , london , uk lines 26 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article armory com , rstevew armory com \( richard steven walz \) writes face , clayton , found guilty , gays sometimes make 16 year old boys 16 year old gays , know recall , case state rested testimony one victim declined testify , even threat teens since 40 , lot people face clayton , 're jerk ! rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armory com \( 408 \) 429 1200 515 maple street 1 without safe free abortion women santa cruz , ca 95060 organ surrogates unwanted parasites always amazed see people admit breaking law putting address signature please tell us 13 \? 14 \? would like make statement district attorney \? sex 13 year old boy , great , everything , well , hell lot fun anyway oh , turn purple rage 12 time clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject abc coverage organization university toronto chemistry department distribution usa lines 24 article andrew cmu edu anna matyas am2x andrew cmu edu writes thorne good 've always fan clement \( miss mike emrick ! \) boyfriend , hockey fan , even looked one point said , guys pretty good announcers \( guy said rick tocchet looks like charles \) imho clement , although pleasant personality \( pleasant opinion \) , terrible analyst , almost alway wrong example new jersey 's first goal last sunday grew dick irvin color beside danny gallivan knew irvin , dick irvin friend mine bill clement n't dick irvin long teams involved include us national team new york rangers , 'd take john davidson bill clement day gerald
jmann vineland pubs stratus com \( jim mann \) subject celebrate liberty ! 1993 organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 12 reply jmann vineland pubs stratus com nntp posting host pubs stratus com article 1993apr5 dsd es com bob waldrop f418 n104 z1 fidonet org \( bob waldrop \) writes sf \? please n't answer number libertarians sf fans vice versa know number sf fans also baseball fans n't plan posting red sox schedule jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com
citation ksu ksu edu \( jonathan w newton \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization kansas state university lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host citation ksu ksu edu article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides important 1 \) society think fairly obvious 2 \) define acceptable \? generally feel right , idiotic policy think 3 \) keep whatever legal moral position \? thinking mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu new taxes spending cuts 'll still 310 billion dollar deficits
jsc nasa gov \( doug egan \) subject graphics packages available aix \? organization lines 20 1993apr8 res utc com mark res utc com \( mark \) writes lpr carel fi , ari \( ari lpr carel fi \) wrote anybody know good 2d graphics packages available ibm rs 6000 aix \? i'm looking something like dec 's gks hewlett starbase , reasonably good support different output devices like plotters , terminals , x etc try graphigs ibm excellent package ! \) doug doug egan 's got lockheed engineering sciences co 's give houston , tx tesla email egan blkbox com
andy bgsu edu \( justin \) subject wanted isa mouse port high interrupt organization bowling green state university b g , oh distribution na lines 32 cbnewsc cb att com \( loran n \) writes sound card interrupt 5 , two serial ports \( one modem i4 , one miracle piano i3 \) printer port i7 , run low interrupts would like mouse port interrupt 10 , 11 , 12 \( ever interrupt ps 2 mouse port uses \) isa i486 computer called technical support microsoft , logitech , ati \( checked interrupts mouse port ati video cards use \) said interrupts possible cards ones lower 7 anyone know board isa bus allow mouse port \( even serial port \) high interrupts \? try putting one irqs com ports onto irq2 hardware wrap irq2 irq9 class machines \( eg , anything high irqs \) i'm set right 've got com2 irq2 \( really irq9 address way software \) , com1 irq3 , soundblaster irq5 , lpt1 irq7 , ati port one interrupts works great need even , 's text file floating around somewhere details hack serial card \( probably others \) work higher irqs basically involves cutting trace low irq running wire high irq pin 16bit expansion bus best put modem 's com port onto irq2 9 first irq serviced system , giving modem better response especially handy like os 2 i'm running problems justin andy bgsu edu
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject celebrate liberty ! 1993 x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 10 bad know japan bashing 2 weeks ago finding set postings third time hope one shows n't know fools insist posting every group people rod anderson n0nzo acceptable substitute boulder , co brains silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo ao 16
michael jester gun de \( michael gerhards \) distribution world subject western digital hd info needed x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 organization private coherent system lines 12 holly ks \( cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \) wrote western digital also three sets pins back using another hard drive well settings jumpers written right circuit board wd drive sl \? \? \? \? jumper used , drive conner jumper set drive alone drive master sl drive slave michael michael jester gun de michael gerhards preussenstrasse 59 germany 4040 neuss voice 49 2131 82238
ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) subject battle joined organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 13 article 1993apr16 qualcomm com karn servo qualcomm com \( phil karn \) writes looks like dorothy denning 's wrong headed ideas gotten administration even sooner feared 'd lay long odds way around clinton n't pull plan bodily orifices nsa working years 's possible denning \( prominent people \) happened start arguing system , seems likely suggestion involved guess wrong , apologize pgp 2 key finger e mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
deane binah cc brandeis edu \( david matthew deane \) subject flaming nazis reply deane binah cc brandeis edu organization brandeis university lines 94 article access digex net , dickeney access digex com \( dick \) writes trouble trying find truth roehm buddies accused flaming , one pretexts night long knives roehm sa wing purged stop ! hold ! problems official history says first accusations homosexuality sa came outside nazi party , long nazis ever came power objection red herring , even established history wrong point moreover , none histories 've read ever made mention hitler anyone else ever using homosexuality pretext purging roehm point saw reiterated hitler party covered accusations going accuse official history fabrication , least get facts right pretext purging roehm planning use sa coup hitler nowhere mention using allegations homosexuality pretext purge , justification afterwards \( possible histories 've read mentioned , doubt would hitler 's best interest admit world former right hand man homosexual \? \) anyway , said , always possible missed references nazis making use charges homosexuality sa night long knives prove false even nazis could tell truth advantage case , deal accusations homosexuality sa 1920 's since thereafter controlled records , anything bearing subject true considered tainted evidence ah , yes forgot posted alt conspiracy smell paranoia since nazis never officially charged roehm homosexuality \( least , according 've read \) , 'd like know tainted evidence talking since accusations made persons outside nazi party , long came power , accusations common knowledge journalists others germany 1920 's 30 's , would possible nazis go back time plant tainted evidence \? exactly one doctor newspapers circulated around world , without discrepancies obvious \? actual incidences nazi evidence matter know \? testimony people involved matters , nazis \? point making false accusation homosexuality publicize \? since point seems discredit established history , burden proof falls revisionist revisionists better homework making accusations otherwise simply look like conspiracy nuts available data suggest roehm crowd , sa , storm troopers left world better place departed , thing agree suspect notion might bad people roehm sa buddies homosexuals must disturb people feeling seems nasty individual accused homosexuality , must attempt bash homosexuals fear often justified lies behind distrust official history , seems good justification trashing accepted accounts subject really think historians incompetent , n't write ask got sources subject , ca n't tell footnotes \? i'm graduate student history writing professors tracking sources old hat time limited specialty neither anyone else said anything would cast one shred doubt existing evidence i'm going waste time trying debunk someone 's paranoia research concrete particulars still less shrewd guesses given already consider evidence tainted , earth would constitute concrete particulars \? since concrete particulars considered shrewd guesses \? suggest trust popular historians \( irving et al \) historians writing popular audience , rule , provide copious footnotes try instead reading academic historians , usually provide footnotes sources detail place start looking assuming one really wants know truth 'll bet folks alt pagan tired subject already apologies seem gone bit tangent forget gods responsible keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject boundaries david matthew deane \( deane binah cc brandeis edu \) eternal bleak wind let gods speak softly us days hereafter \( ezra pound \)
iis netcom com \( international imaging syste \) subject list favorite windows goodies \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 9 anyone maintaining list favorite shareware public domain windows software \? several lists msdos , really light windows stuff david arnstein international imaging systems arnstein iis sun com
sigma rahul net \( kevin martin \) subject stay away mag ! ! ! nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network lines 10 vm1 cc edu vm1 cc edu \( steve \) writes mag mx15f works fine mine beautiful year half went bought viewsonic instead another great monitor , imho kevin martin sigma rahul net gotta get another hat
vlasis cybernet cse fau edu \( vlasis theodore \) subject warning \( please read \) organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 61 tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu \( erik vel happened year ago washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided would really cool throw huge rocks cars overpass four five cars hit several serious injuries , sadly small girl sitting front seat one struck head one larger rocks n't recall made , think comatose month doctors n't holding hope 'd live hell happening great country \? see boyhood pranks peeing bridges , 20 pound rocks \? \? ! society really stooped low \? \? erik velapold society , known , coming apart seams ! basic reason human life devalued point killing someone big deal kid 's see hundreds murderous acts tv , abort children demand , kill sick old surprised kids drop 20 lbs rocks kill people n't care message hear life cheap ! well people unfortunatly , us experiencing human life \( among developed nations \) american raised europe , worst thing happen somebody get car broken , pocket picked slaves russian refugees , thats extremely rare e greece walk neighborhood time night without even worrying germany , walk 4 00 even look behind back , sanitation crews clean streets sparkling whoever know saying dont easy answers nation might get somewhere course postings sould soc culture us reduce crime 'll mean less car insurance rates , thus could spend money cars \( posting rec autos tech \) vlasis theodore software engineer mobile communications sig development
mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) subject accepting jeesus heart organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines 65 apr 13 00 08 15 1993 28388 athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org writes gsu0033 uxa ecn bgu edu \( eric molas \) writes firstly , atheist posting immature flame start , rather express opinion intended audience deleted animals need sleep , food , reproduce die glad atheist seems tragic people choose meaningless existence terrible go living one fears death life \? huh \? okay , i'm eric molas , even feels life , disagree life , , definitely meaningless precisely purpose meaning choose give go living like living needed reason , 'd free completely free ! pick reason suited freedom almost 's probably closest 've ever experience i'm glad atheist would n't anything else feel sorry eric yet attempts share joy life would considered evidence infectious nature christianity unless , explaining subjective experience , also try convert proselytize merely explaining effects personally experience religion , infectious unless eric paranoid , christian free human person think , love , choose , create live forever god whatever goat sound happy enough 's fairly much matters , right \? christ kind drug drugs replacement christ pardon , strikes sentence sounds reversible empty spot god shaped hole hearts must something ease pain empty spot \? god shaped hole \? hear things lot theists never quite understand talking maybe others , would n't know n't , , 'd seek help n't sound like mentally healthy situation , walking around oneself thank , eric post helped appreciate much god blessed hope someday joy filled abundant life well , written original post , n't know intended interpreted way , reread carefully , somewhat doubt least , 's gets across , mileage may vary disclaimer \? 's great young insane !
matthew alchemy tn cornell edu \( matthew \) subject 2 headed sun 3 60 possible \( cgfour0 bwtwo0 \) organization alchemy international lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host alchemy tn cornell edu sun 3 60 mono framebuffer \( bwtwo0 \? \) built motherboard system also cgfour \( cgfour0 bwtwo1 \? \) daughterboard using system color monitor color front screen cgfour , mono back screen bwtwo1 , tube picked 1600 x 1280 sun mono monitor , would like make two headed system cgfour0 bwtwo0 care loose back screen color tube bwtwo1 looking xsun man page sure possible anybody done \? matthew
cui maccs mcmaster ca \( jun cui \) subject hold control window object \? keywords objectwindows , ms windows , sdk nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster ca organization department computer science , mcmaster university distribution comp os ms windows misc comp windows ms lines 30 i'm using bc 's objectwindows \( version 3 1 \) trying get data processed window object however , calling program invokes window object , gives control window object , keeps executing next statement would like calling program , invoking window object , wait window object closed \? program may look like class mywindow public void \( \) could calling program c function \? mywindow mywinobj mywinobj new mywindow \( \) \( \) \( mywinobj \) mywinobj show \( sw \) next statement want program wait mywinobj closed get data back mywinobj specified window style ws , n't help way execute window object calling program wo n't give control \? help would appreciated thanks jun talk lord ps 2 ms windows
hparc0 aus hp com \( robin kenny \) subject boom ! whoosh organization hp australasian response centre \( melbourne \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 26 david fuzzy wells \( wdwells nyx cs du edu \) wrote love idea inflatable 1 mile long sign really neat thing see explode bolt \( even better , westford needle ! \) comes crashing 10 clicks sec boom ! sputter , sputter okay , pretend would make sound ! thought \( let 's pretend inflated pressurized \) would n't large static electricity build around puncture \? behind clear sandwich \( ie insulated \) balloon would generate electrical interference noise way , serious high velocity impact would simply cut bugs bunny hole wall , highly unlikely boom , fabric would almost certainly regards , robin kenny private personal opinion , way endorsed , authorised known employers heck would know space \? i'm stuck bottom huge gravity well !
root ncube com \( operator \) subject photo shop scanner \? nntp posting host admin reply root ncube com organization ncube corp , foster city , ca lines 23 macc iici color scanner scanned picture 600 dpi try print color printer , 10 minutes making noise , mac hangs would need reboot mean \? need buy memory \? 5 0 mb also 50 mb disk free , scanned picture 12 mb captain zod zod ncube com 0 0
rastek com \( mark larsen \) subject ray tracer ms dos \? organization rastek corporation , huntsville , al lines 32 article srvr1 engin umich edu tdawson llullaillaco engin umich edu \( chris herringshaw \) writes sorry repeat request , anyone know good free shareware program create ray traces save bit mapped files \? \( course thing \) thanks advance daemon 2 books published books come c source code floppies programming 3 dimensions , 3 graphics , ray , animation christopher watkins larry sharp ray tracing c christopher watkins , stephen b coy , mark first book great intro 3 , ray tracing animation programs disk compiled ready run glanced second book also appears good hope helps ! mark larsen rastek com r2 unit bad motivator ! luke , star wars
tchannon black demon co uk \( tim \) subject use analog multiplexer digital signal reply tchannon black demon co uk distribution world x mailer revision 1 20 organization null lines 19 subject says use digital signals \? n't see could n't handle digital signals , could wrong anyone advice \? thanks yes use others purpose rest assured works fine one case route bit serial digital audio using difficult see signal degradation surprised given pretty fast edges spec 'd something like 50 ohms complex types generally little slower resistive plain 4000 series good handling 5v logic remember output load seen input device tc e mail tchannon black demon co uk tchannon cix compulink co uk
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject museum reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 215 article acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( \) writes cyprus \? \? majority population christian , fellow turkish friends still 'good' job cleaning area christians article reflects abundant ignorance people turkiye know quite well greece greek cypriots never abandon idea hellenizing cyprus remain eternally hopeful greece , someday , whatever cost parties involved history speaks greece sole perpetrator invasion island sent troops july 15 , 1974 attempt legitimate government makarios following greek cypriot attempt annex island greece aid greek army , turkiye intervened using legal right given two international agreements turkiye frequently conveniently forgotten people island , turkish cypriots turkish cypriots whose grandparents living island since 1571 release nikos sampson , member eoka national organization cypriot fighters convicted terrorist , shows mentality continues survive greece one forget sampson dedicated life turks cyprus , committed murder achieve goal , tried destroy island 's independence annexing greece course , greek governments bear consequences irresponsible conduct museum barbarism 2 irfan bey street , kumsal area , nicosia , cyprus house dr nihat ilhan , major serving cyprus turkish army contingent attacks launched turks greeks , 20th december 1963 , dr nihat ilhan 's wife three children ruthlessly brutally killed bathroom , tried hide , savage greeks dr nihat ilhan happened duty night , 24th december 1963 pictures reflecting greek atrocities committed 1963 exhibited house converted museum eye witness account turkish family butchered greek terrorists date 24th december , 1963 onslaught greeks turks , started three days ago , going defenseless women , old men children brutally killed greeks kumsal area nicosia witnesses worst example greeks savage bloodshed wife three infant children dr nihat ilhan , major duty camp cyprus turkish army contingent , mercilessly dastardly shot dead hiding bathroom house , greeks broke home glaring example greek barbarism let us listen relating said incident told mr hasan yusuf , eye witness , wounded terrible event night 24th december , 1963 wife hasan paying visit family major dr nihat ilhan neighbours mrs ayshe mora , daughter mrs ayshe 's sister novber also us sitting supper sudden bullets river direction started riddle house , sounding like heavy rain thinking dining room sitting dangerous , ran bathroom toilet thought would safer altogether nine persons hid bathroom except wife took refuge toilet waited fear mrs ilhan wife major doctor , standing bath three children murat , hakan arms suddenly great noise heard front door open greeks come combing , every corner house machine gun bullets moments heard voices saying , greek , want eh ! bullets started flying bathroom mrs ilhan three children fell bath shot moment greeks , broke bathroom , emptied guns us heard one major 's children moan , came 2 3 hours later , saw mrs ilhan three children lying dead bath rest neighbours bathroom seriously wounded happened wife \? remembered immediately ran toilet , , doorway , saw body brutally murdered street sound shots heard voices crying help , help one save us \? became terrified thought greeks came found dead would kill ran bedroom hid double bed passed distance could still hear shots mouth dry , came bed drank water put sweets pocket went back bathroom , exactly left hour ago offered sweets mrs ayshe , daughter mrs novber wounded waited bathroom 5 o'clock morning thought morning would never come wounded needed taken hospital finally , could walk , mrs novber , went street hoping find help , walked far , met people took us hospital operated regained consciousness said wounded house went brought mrs ayshe daughter staying three days hospital sent plane ankara treatment four months treatment still cannot use arm return cyprus , greeks arrested airport related told greeks detention released foot devastated turkish quarter went tonight sealed turkish quarter nicosia 200 300 people slaughtered last five days first western reporters , saw terrible kumsal quarter 2 , irfan bey , made way house whose floors covered broken glass child 's bicycle lay corner bathroom , looking like group waxworks , three children piled top murdered mother room next body woman shot head , told , home turkish army major whose family killed mob first violence today five days later , still lay rene daniel , \( daily express \) saw bathroom bodies mother three infant children murdered father turkish officer max , le figaro 25 26 january , 1964 peter moorhead reporting village , cyprus date 1 january , 1964 il \( italy \) turk hunting , want exterminate discussions start london cyprus terror continues right witnessing exodus turks villages thousands people abandoning homes , land , herds greek cypriot terrorism relentless time , rhetoric bust plato suffice cover barbaric ferocious behaviors article , correspondent il date 14 january 1964 daily herald \( london \) appalling sight came across turkish homes appalling sight apart walls , exist doubt napalm bomb attack could created devastation counted 40 brick concrete shells homes house deliberately fired petrol red tile roofs , found twisted mass bed springs , children 's , ankle deep grey ashes chairs , tables neighbouring village , mile away , counted 16 wrecked burned homes turkish cypriot homes village 100 turkish cypriots also vanished neither village find scrap damage greek cypriot house daily telegraph \( london \) graves 12 shot turkish cypriots found cyprus village silent crowds gathered tonight outside red crescent hospital turkish sector nicosia , bodies 9 turkish cypriots found crudely buried outside village , 13 miles away , brought hospital escort parachute regiment three bodies , including one woman , discovered nearby could removed turkish cypriots guarded still trying locate bodies 20 believed buried site serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
snakemail hut fi \( h \) subject telephone hook hok ok circuit organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 17 laird pasture ecn purdue edu werple apana org au nntp posting host lk hp 11 hut fi reply zikzak apana org au 's message 7 apr 1993 05 26 18 gmt article werple apana org au zikzak apana org au \( peter \) writes since hook line aprox 48 , hook usually drops led series zener say around 30v hook led hook led would work \? anyone tries tried , please let know recommended circuit would take much current , telephone hook telephone company like hut fi ! law hut fi ! jams force breaks , ! needed replacing anyway text provided without express implied warranty
garyg warren mentorg com \( gary gendel \) subject question 120vac outlet wiring organization mentor graphics corp ic group lines 42 distribution world reply garyg warren mentorg com nntp posting host garyg warren mentorg com article cmkrnl com , jeh cmkrnl com writes article 1993apr14 172145 27458 ecsvax uncecs edu , crisp ecsvax uncecs edu \( russ crisp \) writes 's question seems 'd electrical circuit hooked jumper neutral ground screw new 'three prong' grounding outlets 's wrong reasoning \? want three prong outlets without additional wiring use gfci outlet \( breaker , outlet cheaper \) fact , depending putting new outlet \( \) , gfci may required still need supply proper ground ground fault circuit interrupter ! still part job , however , ground may connected local earth ground , rather back breaker box jamie said , gfci devices required code number places , notably bathrooms , outside house suggest use gfci outlets , rather breakers end much less headaches noise pickup long cable runs sometimes enough cause frequent tripping breakers gfci devices save lives , decide install , sure check regularly \( using test button \) running family business \( electrical supplies lighting \) many years , seen many electricians fried , forgot double check common sense list please exercise caution gary gendel vice president current consulting assignment corp mentor graphics corporation 9 woods drive 15 independence boulevard belle mead , nj warren , nj phone \( 908 \) 281 phone \( 908 \) 604 fax \( 908 \) 281 email garyg warren mentorg com
warren ac il \( warren burstein \) subject serdar argic organization , jerusalem , israel lines 42 1993apr13 fourd com bill paxton fourd com writes hello serdar , would like much meet located \? let know soon possible meet looking forward meeting n't know reach serdar , might able reach sysadmin email , phone , snail mail information rs net ahmet cosar \( anatolia dom \) 6th st suite minneapolis , minnesota , domain name anatolia org administrative contact , technical contact , zone contact cosar , ahmet \( \) cosar anatolia org 612 376 7873 finger cosar umn edu gets name ahmet cosar 1 info last registered 1993 winter qtr internet mailbox student tc umn edu mailbox profs postal address 6th st apt minneapolis mn surname cosar telephone 1 612 376 7873 title grad x 400 mailbox g ahmet cosar 1 ou mail tc prmd umn edu admd c us warren nysernet org
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject boom ! dog attack ! nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 41 ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes blind driveway 15 30 mph matter , many driveways long enough car hit 30 mph end \? eagerly await comment well , driveway keep eye blue turbo utilizes hit ground running merging technique least n't dog need worry last week entering sand gravel covered intersection country , caught something corner eye \( know disgusting sensation great , yet unidentified , evil intimately kind like knowing shadow around cannot possibly anything even remotely good , probably something boeing 747 behaving , gravitationally speaking , much like brick \) negotiating way intersection somehow reminded daytona beach \( sans h2o , sun , babes \) manage get glance impending destiny lucifer 's dog hell 's secret canine \( moved grace , yet hulk creature definite wrong end \) picture mirrors fuzzy , saliva trail shorten verbose tale , angels performed beyond call duty , carried bike sand trap \( idea \) , left face suspiciously resembles metzler tread blood , though rats moral i'm really sure , believe bikers ought allowed carry handguns erc c eric sundheim , mi , usa vfr750f dod 1138
forman ide com \( bonnie forman \) subject mac classic ii originator forman owl organization interactive development environments , sf lines 13 mac classic 2 4 40 sale 1 year old , excellent condition includes , freeware shareware \( including many fonts \) 800 00 email call 510 947 \( sf bay area \) forman ide com real given received ! sun ! ide ! forman b
atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) subject atheists hell organization national association disorganized lines 26 hello , seen two common threads running postings atheists newsgroup , think used explain unfortunately n't direct quotes handy 1 \) atheists believe die , die forever 2 \) god would condemn fail believe eternal death unfair n't see problem ! christians , hell , definition , eternal death exactly atheists expecting die 's reason hell especially awful people , eternal death bad enough literal interpreters bible problem view , since bible talks fires hell personally , n't think people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat statements metaphorical alan terlep scorpion says , 'it 's oakland university , rochester , mi nature ' atterlep vela acs oakland edu rushing angels fear tread jody
organization university central florida computer services mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet subject bigger window headings lines 8 anyone know bigger raster fonts \? i'm using mag monitor diamond ss24x 1280x1024 mode would prefer larger characters windows heading \( practically everything \) i'm already using 8514 character sets mark idea difference \?
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject founding father questions lines 35 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article 1993apr5 eagle lerc nasa gov , pspod bigbird lerc nasa gov \( steve podleski \) writes arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) writes n't one making comment '88 george born silver foot mouth \? sounds like another damn politician ai n't like old days texas anymore politicians may corrupt , least 'd take stand \( apologies exceptions think \) news house may already two thirds majority , opposition concern image \( 's even said publicly \) may matter people expect texans congressmen act n j republicans \? \( likely \) veto proof majority house senate , unfortunately , different story lt gov vowed bill voted , power addition , senate much smaller , readily manipulated body ther hand , semi automatic ban likely live , least fifty per cent house currently opposes , far bill order senate \( believe addressed ccw bill \) thought tx political science class waste time ! dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) god gave us weather would n't complain pyron skndiv dseg ti com things padi dm 54909
seale possum den mmc com \( eric h seale \) subject comet temporary orbit around jupiter \? nntp posting host pogo den mmc com organization martin marietta astronautics , denver lines 8 baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) writes according iau circular , comet shoemaker levy 1993e , may temporarily orbit around jupiter comet apparently made close flyby jupiter sometime 1992 resulting breakup comet would thought galileo would get chance check comet \? ! \?
eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org \( eric choi \) subject organization fidonet node 1 2240 175 5 association mac bbs , grand blanc mi lines 25 ku mondrian csufresno edu \( kin hung au \) date 13 apr 93 ku 07 22 05 gmt organization california state university , fresno ku message id zimmer csufresno edu newsgroups ku comp sys mac hardware ku ku hong kong , buy cheap pc 386 486 based computer ku however , experience buy macintosh last winter , ku back hong kong saw price mac classic hong kong ku price buy lc u ku ku recommended buy mac hong kong since mac popular ku hk ku ku kin hung au hello mr au , disagree regarding assessment macintosh hong kong mac sizeable share typesetting market , u local magazine , next magazine \( similar newsweek \) , uses mac extensively seen sir speedy franchises hong kong equipped mac based systems true , discount steep customers hong kong cannot buy gray market , mac sold thru mass like apple performa lin e point sale mac handled one exclusive distributor hand , always get pc clone earlier days , illegal clones apple iie perception mac popular hong kong simply hobbyists users find much cheaper go one basement stores sell pc clones probably illegal copies bios pay mac similarly cannot say lotus 1 2 3 surely well accepted hong kong sale low may places illegal copies lotus 1 2 3 bought 20 10 professional looking illegal copies manuals eric choi internet eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject russian email contacts organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 10 coordinating space shuttle program office 's e mail traffic npo energia going joint missions several e mail addresses npo energia folks , wo n't post 'net obvious reasons need know , give yell ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 earth cradle humanity , mankind stay cradle forever
whaley sigma kpc com \( ken whaley \) subject xcopyplane question reply buzz bear com 's message 19 apr 93 14 15 38 gmt organization kubota pacific computer inc buzz lion bear com lines 33 article whaley sigma kpc com whaley sigma kpc com \( ken whaley \) writes actually , must also ask faq 's 1 popular reason graphics n't show wait expose event drawing rectangle \? suppose idle app realized mapped window contains xlib graphics button widget , pressed , cause new item drawn window action clearly call xcopyarea \( \) \( equiv \) directly instead , register existence new item memory structure let expose event handler take care rendering image time guaranteed window mapped problem , course , expose event generated window visible mapped know best way tickle window expose event handler invoked draw new item \? specifically made comment assuming perhaps code fragment came simple open draw quit client per question button handler add object , call window redraw \( \) \( whatever \) directly \? although , depending overall application structured , may problem rendering object directly response button press ken kenneth whaley \( 408 \) 748 6347 kubota pacific computer , inc email whaley kpc com 2630 walsh avenue santa clara , ca 95051
watson bms com \( , \) subject house sale , nj news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization bristol myers squibb pharmaceutical research institute lines 22 posting friend please respond thanks house sale ! ! ! ! ! 16 road , , new jersey description beautiful 3 bedroom , 1 1 2 bath cape cod located large corner fenced lot home features eat kitchen built corner china closet , large living room , wall wall carpeting , floors , new ceramic tile , freshly painted neutral tone home includes new central air heating , new roof , new water heater , aluminum siding , storm windows doors rockwell insulation exterior walls also features new partially finished basement outside entrance new shed lots storage space convenient rt 295 extras , washer dryer , ceiling fans , window treatments call appointment \( 609 \) 586 1946 open house sunday , april 18th , 1 00 4 00 call directions
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject article aurora 1993apr25 1 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 14 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu like option c new space station design needs work , simple elegant time someone got simple construction versus overly complex basically strap rockets nose cone habitat go might idea moon mars base captain \( sp \) need \( reference russian heavy lifter , think \) michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject wc 93 scores standings , april 20 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 72 1993 world championships germany group standings \( munich \) group b standings \( dortmund \) gp w l gf ga p gp w l gf ga p canada 2 2 0 0 6 1 5 4 czech republic 2 1 1 0 6 1 5 3 russia 2 1 1 0 6 4 2 3 finland 2 1 1 0 3 1 2 3 italy 2 1 1 0 3 2 1 3 germany 2 1 0 1 6 5 1 2 sweden 2 1 0 1 2 4 2 2 usa 2 0 2 0 2 2 0 2 austria 2 0 0 2 2 5 3 0 france 1 0 0 1 0 2 2 0 switzerland 2 0 0 2 0 3 3 0 norway 1 0 0 1 0 6 6 0 april 18 italy russia 2 2 norway germany 0 6 sweden austria 1 0 usa czech republic 1 1 april 19 canada switzerland 2 0 russia austria 4 2 finland france 2 0 april 20 sweden canada 1 4 czech republic germany 5 0 switzerland italy 0 1 finland usa 1 1 april 21 germany france 15 30 italy sweden czech republic norway 20 00 april 22 switzerland russia usa france 15 30 austria canada norway finland 20 00 april 23 switzerland austria germany finland 20 00 april 24 russia sweden czech republic france 15 30 canada italy usa norway 20 00 april 25 sweden switzerland finland czech republic 15 30 russia canada germany usa 20 00 april 26 austria italy france norway 20 00 playoffs april 27 quarterfinals 2 b 3 15 30 3 b 2 20 00 april 28 quarterfinals 1 b 4 15 30 4 b 1 20 00 april 29 relegation 5 b 6 15 30 6 b 5 20 00 april 30 semifinals 1 b 4 3 b 2 15 30 4 b 1 2 b 3 20 00 may 1 relegation 14 30 bronze medal game 19 00 may 2 final 15 00 \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
ces cwru edu \( \) subject get 24bit color xview frames \? organization case western reserve university lines 55 distribution world nntp posting host ces cwru edu hi ! using xview 3 0 sparc ipx openwindows along board parallax enables use 24 bit color problems utilizing 24 bit color would greatly appreciate help matter use xview create frame create canvas inside use display live video video input 24 bit color problem top level frame created frame \( frame \) xv create \( null , frame , null \) seems depth 8 propagated canvas would like know set depth frame 24 bits tried using following xlib code xvisualinfo visual info int depth 24 colormap colormap xsetwindowattributes unsigned long valuemask 0 window win xv opaque frame win xv get \( frame , xv xid \) \( display , screen , depth , truecolor , visual info \) far good colormap xcreatecolormap \( display , win , visual info , \) dies badmatch error \( colormap colormap valuemask cwcolormap \( display , w , valuemask , \) \( display , win , colormap \) using completely wrong approach \? possible set depth colormap window created xview \? wrong \? thanks advance help get would prefer response via email although post newsgroup also okay thanks , computer science engg , case western reserve univ , cleveland , oh 44106 fairchild road , 2 , cleveland , oh 44106 \( 216 \) 368 res \( 216 \) 791 , email alpha ces cwru edu
zappala pollux usc edu \( daniel zappala \) subject angels win ! article pollux distribution world organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 6 nntp posting host pollux usc edu angels home opener brewers today 33 , 000 anaheim stadium , 3 1 3 hitter mark langston j snow gary hit home runs angels daniel
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject plus minus stat organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 130 sms business uwo ca j3david sms business uwo ca \( james david \) writes gilmour taken completely surprise , gainey , yeah , would say doug n't playing technically smart hockey case , claim greg , gainey never made technical mistake absolutely ludicrous later , posting , make reference putting words people 's mouths would suggest last paragraph interpreted one way namely , , along greg , claim gainey never made technical mistake actually read 've written , find make claim soooo , logic serves well , 're contradicting nonsense quite clearly state greg made claim gainey never made error made claim read rec sport hockey thu apr 15 21 22 49 1993 gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) message id 1993apr15 sol uvic ca nonsense deleted gainey best defensive forward ever stand assessment good player belongs hall fame ever watch play \? never made technical error nonsense deleted good 'd displaying ignorance course , roger , i'm sure , think ignorance really function lack knowledge formulating opinion hey , need take cheap shot , means go ahead 's makes feel better knowledgeable observers game meaning obvious hockey education responsibility word , poor ol' bob gainey bother much effective player style play another player anything find bothersome hated habs hated realized likely aesthetically pleasing player ever skate lifetime would anyone talk gainey \? go around would rather checking centre \? doug gilmour doug jarvis \? matter would take either gretzky mario checking centres think gretzky could cover bob gainey \? i'm really sorry roger , lost completely n't ask would rather jesus christ , , nets \? play hockey high level \? good \? , would bother bring jc \? talking hockey players ca n't follow conversation n't follow said previously , responsibility educate , compare , say example , bob gainey guy carbonneau , would balanced comparison sure two big deal neither one worth discussing i'm wrong hmmm , let 's see wrong would take fuhr sanderson latter first place \? i'm guessing , rog , feeling 've setup 're wrong macro key machine excellent idea decide waste time responding , greg 's , postings sure implement macro would suggest comment press runs things say stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr , essa tikkannen , butch goring , bob nystrom , bob gainey , doug jarvis , derek sanderson , wayne cashman , bob baun , bob pulford , ralph backstrom , henri richard , dick duff demonstrates blanket disregard individuals contributors game yes , settle nobody claimed hockey gods tarasov claimed gainey hockey god greg ate thread n't know responding \? blanket disregard individuals , remember leaf teams , purely populated individuals , winning four stanley cups teams one ran around telling us george armstrong best hockey player world congenially , always , jd james david david student business uwo ca might consider developing style , imitation form flattery quite sure flattery intention c'mon nice ring admit , good laugh right get end posting realized complete joke future , going respond postings would appreciate could present cogent argument supported facts gleaned version reality rest us would recognize cordially , always , rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca
k9 rose hulman edu \( leslie f donaldson \) subject problems using graphic context athena widgets organization rose hulman institute technology lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host k9 cs rose hulman edu keywords athena , colormaps , graphic contex creating graphics program using athena widgets use xlib routines install custom graphics contex obtaining display , window variables xtwindowofobject \( \) \( \) object one sub widgets problem occurs whenever button pressed menu selected graphic contex orginal one tried moving allocation graphic context allocation buttons nothing changed manipulation calling xtappmainloop \( \) thank help leslie donaldson cs rose hulman edu nextwork rose hulman edu
howard wong mindlink bc ca \( howard wong \) subject jack morris organization mind link ! british columbia , canada lines 9 today , april 17 , jack morris lost first three starts however , jays well without injured dave stuart credit rest pitching staff jack lost bit edge \? worst start jack morris \?
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject concentrate child molesters \? article optilink organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 25 article honour welly gen nz , honour welly gen nz \( \) writes cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes unfortunately , homosexuals n't believe concept freedom believe right force people hire , rent , business , regardless feelings beliefs person ha ha ha , oh , clayton , 're good , consistent , predictable , yup , 's right , , homosexual people want force ignore 's none fucking business ie explain slowly sexual orientation irrelevant , irrelevant gender , skin colour , religious affiliation , attitude hand gun ownership , etc want force hire best person job , rent accomodation person look , business whoever make money yet , law proposed virginia extended philosophy cigarette smokers \( people smoked away work could n't discriminated employers \) , liberal gov wilder vetoed shows liberals n't give damn best person job , 's power play clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
moore email ncsc navy mil \( jim moore \) subject change licensed data windows 3 1 \? organization coastal systems station lines 27 article vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes relation question concerning changing registered information ms windows previous article , 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu wrote ahh , yes , fun topic , name incribed disk , , encoded even hex editor find write licensed , ca n't change name underneth find hex editor , although tried overwrite sure ca n't \? may mistaken \( \? \? \? \) change part continuously government organization , code \( branch \) changes year finished changing registration information using norton utilities sent original hex offset user exe containing information , reply indicated got several similar answers 's encoded way legality , 's nothing keeps changing information certainly n't reach alter serial number printed inside manual jim moore panama city , fl
vg de \( \) subject ibm ps 1 vs teac fd distribution world organization \? organized \? lines 21 hello , already tried national news group without success tried replace friend 's original ibm floppy disk ps 1 pc normal teac drive already identified power supply pins 3 \( 5v \) 6 \( 12v \) , shorted pin 6 \( 5 25 3 5 switch \) inserted pullup resistors \( \) pins 8 , 26 , 28 , 30 , 34 computer n't complain missing fd , fd 's light stays time drive spins k insert disk , ca n't access teac works fine normal pc points missed \? thank de
ameline vnet ibm com \( ian ameline \) subject facinating facts 30 bit serial number , possibly fixed s1 s2 organization c set 2 development , ibm canada lab disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm lines 106 hmmm must assume generating unit key u serial number n rather generating randomly selected u1 u2 intentional way assuring fail safe government u determined given s1 , s2 n s1 s2 change constitute effective master keys \( along f \) , theft \( possession various authorities \) completely security system however , interestingly , know , fact s1 s2 fixed matter keyspace u 2 30 pick u1 u2 random \? interesting restriction key space provide additional back door \? find disturbing best security dependant approximately 30 bytes worth information could written back even s1 s2 change periodically , rationale behind restriction size keyspace seems strange one assuming goal security makes perfect sense goal illusion security s1 s2 change , even remain secret wonder somehow back derived given enough unit key serial number pairs assured cannot happen one understands skipjack works outside government officials , soon , foreign intelligence services gain information via espionage presumably eventually information well reverse engineering gets advanced every year time know may late perhaps trusted escrow agencies ones come s1 s2 , agencies really trusted \( aclu nra interesting example \) , hope 'll use physical process come truly random numbers nsa comes numbers , 's trap door could drive truck none makes feel least bit secure either seems following cpsr starting question april 16 , 1993 washington , dc computer professionals call public debate new government encryption initiative computer professionals social responsibility \( cpsr \) today called public disclosure technical data underlying government 's newly announced public encryption management initiative new cryptography scheme announced today white house national institute standards technology \( nist \) , implement technical specifications plan nist spokesman acknowledged national security agency \( nsa \) , super secret military intelligence agency , actually developed encryption technology around new initiative built according nist , technical specifications presidential directive establishing plan classified open initiative public review debate , cpsr today filed series freedom information act \( foia \) requests key agencies , including nsa , nist , national security council fbi information relating encryption plan cpsr requests keeping spirit computer security act , congress passed 1987 order open development non military computer security standards public scrutiny limit nsa 's role creation standards cpsr previously questioned role nsa developing called digital signature standard \( dss \) , communications authentication technology nist proposed government wide use 1991 cpsr sued nist foia lawsuit last year , civilian agency disclosed first time nsa , fact , developed security standard nsa due file papers federal court next week justifying classification records concerning creation dss david sobel , cpsr legal counsel , called administration 's apparent commitment privacy electronic communications , reflected today 's official statement , step right direction questioned propriety nsa 's role process apparent secrecy thus far shielded development process public scrutiny time moving towards development new information infrastructure , vital standards designed protect personal privacy established openly full public participation appropriate nsa agency long tradition secrecy opposition effective civilian cryptography play leading role development process cpsr national public interest alliance computer industry professionals dedicated examining impact technology society cpsr 21 chapters u maintains offices palo alto , california , cambridge , massachusetts washington , dc additional information cpsr , call \( 415 \) 322 e mail cpsr csli stanford edu regards , ian ameline
aris \( aris \) subject pixel disappear powerbook 140 screen organization michigan state university lines 10 nntp posting host pss msu edu keywords powerbook , 140 , pixel , screen pixels pb 140 display disappear intermittently particular place random anybody suggestions would appreciate e mailings thanks aris pss msu edu \( beware 3 \) nnnnn u nnnnn
icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) subject abc coverage distribution usa organization computer science department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 9 originator icop csa loved abc coverage production excellent appearance excellent modern look first time heard thorne clement thought great request leave al annoys i'm hoping leads regular season contract guess would roughly weekly game feb april playoffs envy canadians tsn cbc maybe 'll get dish pick canadian tv much things , btw \?
dsoconne quads uchicago edu \( daniel \) subject religion homosexuality keywords liberal reply dsoconne midway uchicago edu organization university chicago distribution usa lines 32 magnus acs ohio state edu \( computer \) writes recently realized bisexual , also recently returned religion , good friend pointed homosexuality sin bible well , n't see could considered sin , first far know , male homosexuality explicitly mentioned bibles , 're hook , think event , plenty people many denominations consider person 's sexual identification gay lesbian bisexual immoral lifestyle choice also , always somewhat liberal feminist , pro choice , seems pro choice religious n't mix either told another misconception told whole story former minister lesbian , know personally professionally several openly gay lesbian ministers like others denomination , pro choice need n't go looking \( liberal religion \) acceptance sexual identification pro choice views , however many us believe spirituality freedom conscience good luck journey ! daniel theological school university chicago divinity school dsoconne uchicago edu
spartan ac brocku ca \( ian mcpherson \) subject chip chipset code 39 barcode \? organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 26 dp utexas edu wrote distribution usa reply lihan ccwf cc utexas edu i'm net bugging everyone , thing chip chipset decode code 39 barcode \? ask couple reasons mainly want reasonably compact encoding scheme write information magstripe cards code 39 appears right \( 'right' way something else , 's reasonably easy , someone let know \? \) might get chance reply quickly earlier post , 'll get within couple days , think thanx everyone ! bgb lihan ccwf cc utexas edu hewlett packard series barcode decoder ics 1800 , 2000 , 2010 support extended interleaved codes 2000 2010 pieces add code 128 chips support hp 's barcode slot readers 1800 run 150 cdn ian
mb4008 \( morgan j bullard \) subject ami pro v3 0 sale ! distribution na organization university illinois urbana lines 18 goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) writes lotus ami pro v3 0 150 please reply interested thank could get new 39 95 phone 800 732 800 358 club 800 753 address pc buyer 's club 62 h ave , n't work , thought good deal pass btw , mine 3 days said would arrive \) morgan bullard mb4008 cen uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu
minyos xx rmit oz au \( lost cause \) subject connection machine organization royal melbourne institute technology lines 19 nntp posting host minyos xx rmit oz au , realise little pc 's lot hardware , nay heard computer called connection machine , could e mail info , eg references , ideas etc help appreciated caviar dreams l cause minyos xx rmit oz au royal melbourne institute technology music like directing sounds , landscapes wanted link music places , architectural environments visual techniques j
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject accepting jeesus heart lines 22 gsu0033 uxa ecn bgu edu \( eric molas \) writes religion \( especially christianity \) nothing drug certain truth statement would use word medicine instead drug regard condition human soul , christianity first foremost healing medicine also strengthens enables one , healing takes hold , grow new strength health live god created us people use drugs escape reality christ 's medicine , rightly allowed work , brings one nearer reality offers clarity understanding strength spirit meet healthy human way christians inject jesus live high \( small spelling correction added \) gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \)
seth cbnewsh cb att com \( peter r clark jr \) subject year 's biggest worst \( opinion \) organization keywords nhl , awards lines 34 article 1993apr5 alchemy chem utoronto ca , golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes article c4zcii ftn watserv1 uwaterloo ca smale healthy uwaterloo ca \( bryan smale \) writes team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting look philly 's record eric without doubt soderstrom probably biggest surprise eric true , fortunately n't get find would like without recchi 30 games soderstrom absolutely 4 shutouts 39 games rookie without lot defense front galley fedyk scoring ton career best galley thinks 's paul coffey \( puts scoring ahead defending \) fedyk big time eklund big question mark year coming injuries 42 points 49 games bad , recently 's huge factor wins 've gotten eklund never point game season career , production typical qualify disappointment \? anything 's surprise choice would roussel went strictly expected players , never thought takes 1 goalie biggest disappointment bill dineen thought going perfect coach young team , instead 's made many bad moves imho cost enough games keep playoffs year coach thinks putting eric lindros point power plays bright idea needs go back coaching school pete clark jr rsh flyers contact mailing list owner
hydra maths unsw edu au \( \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) nntp posting host hydra maths unsw edu au organization school mathematics unsw lines 101 article 1993apr16 iastate edu tankut iastate edu \( sabri atan \) writes article 1993apr15 174657 6176 news uiowa edu , mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) writes article 1993apr15 iastate edu , tankut iastate edu \( sabri atan \) well , panos , mr tamamidis \? , way put turks bear responsibility things happening today hard believe somebody trying objective comes conflicts like countries cannot blame one side , always bad guys sides anatolia ww1 anyway \? think right \? 've heard many turks say n't read remember treaty sevres consequence axis powers wwi turks international law supposed look minorities ie greeks , armenians , kurds \( must say turk kurd relations improving slightly time \) pose threat turkey 's neighbours turks blatantly rejected treaty \( germans accepted versailles million times worse health pride german people \) greeks army , british french backing enforce sevres possibly first example appeasement young turk government managed screwed treaty weak allies , greek forces destroyed smyrna occurred , french warships harbour many greeks trying escape swam french warships climbed aboard get arms cut french 're way sides ships , , couple millions greeks living asia minor 1923 someone protect us \? \? saying conflicts started one side aggressive ither always suffering sad \( \) still trying compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks come turkey thought positive attempt make relations better compromise , invasion cyprus , involment turkey greek politics , refusal turkey accept 12 miles territorial waters stated international law , properties greeks konstantinople , ownership islands greek lake , sorry , aegean things compromise greeks mentioned would n't talk educated people never met know ! bad person turkey politics business , business turks comes individuals hatred \? person supports policies turkish goverment directly bad person nationality makes bad , support actions goverment make bad people hate supporter policies turkish goverment must pay price makes think kind brainwashing going greece would educated person treat every person nation way \? tell history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling take easy ! tankut atan tankut iastate edu achtung , baby ! need brainwashing turn people turks talk greeks , arabs , slavs , kurds people luck turkish occupation talk murders , rapes , distruction learn turks history books , learn people experienced first hand turkish friendliness napoleon well , napoleon kind people preventing peace world first , n't answer question asked end posting told bullshit throughout posting positive point issue , filled hatred , filled emotions \? forget , n't think worth discuss issue tankut atan tankut iastate edu achtung , baby !
netcom com \( steve worley \) subject sphere 4 points \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 38 bolson carson u washington edu \( edward bolson \) writes boy , embarassing trivial faq given 4 points \( non coplanar \) , one find sphere , , center radius , exactly fitting points \? know circle \( 3 points \) , immediately see straightforward way 3 checked geometry books , graphics gems , farin , still loss \? please mercy provide solution \? 's bad question n't refs list algorithm either thinking bit , n't hard 1 \) take three points find plane define well circle lie \( say algorithm already \) 2 \) find center circle line passing center perpendicular plane three points passes center sphere 3 \) repeat unused point two original points gives two different lines pass sphere 's origin center sphere 4 \) radius easy compute , 's distance center original points 'll leave math , workable algorithm \) alternate method would take pairs points plane formed perpendicular bisector line segment pair also contains center sphere three pairs form three planes , intersecting point might easier implement steve netcom com
shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov \( mary shafer \) subject crazy \? imaginitive \? reply nsmca aurora alaska edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 04 54 03 gmt organization nasa dryden , edwards , cal lines 25 thu , 22 apr 1993 04 54 03 gmt , nsmca aurora alaska edu said nsmca ideas bit odd , wall , nsmca wilbur orville wright , quite others common misconception nothing wall wright brothers number experimenters \( octave , , etc \) , flew models , wind tunnel short , quite mainstream regarded odd eccentric community suggest read bishop 's boys biography harry gates \? combs \? \( never remember guy owned \) print easily obtainable bishop 's boys trade paperback , even even better would multi volume set writings , print , rare , hideously expensive mary shafer dod 0362 kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility , edwards , ca shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov course n't speak nasa mig six better mig unknown us fighter pilot
lasse mits mdata fi \( lasse \) subject wanted multi page gif ! ! organization oy , helsinki , finland nntp posting host mits mdata fi lines 16 article 1993apr20 kaist ac kr kaist ac kr \( \) writes hi ! searching packages could handle multi page gif files looking viewer try \) ' ` ` ' lasse mits mdata fi ` '
klf druwa att com \( franklinkl \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time summary continental first n't think ! distribution na lines 30 article 1rm constellation ecn uoknor edu , callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) writes article 1993apr13 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) writes article ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes 's big aftermarket business almost cars come factory , fake convertible job definitely came aftermarket place amazes much people willing pay bad taste really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto trunk side \( sides ! \) tacky luxury cars \? 'em n't fake \( 're talking continental kit , named lincoln continental , first car sport one \) personally would love '56 bird continental kit \( supercharged v 8 \) one beautiful cars ever built , imho james continental may first modern era auto mount spare rear car hardly first car sport one various mounting techniques rear mounting spare quite common early automobiles , us foreign ken franklin say 's heaven people wait ama say 's better say ai n't gwrra 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints dod 0126 sinners lots fun , y'know good die young
johnson trwacs fp trw com \( steve johnson \) subject tapped , code good organization trw systems division , fairfax va distribution na lines 65 tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes brad templeton \( brad clarinet com \) wrote occurs get wiretap order , escrow houses release code cops , code longer secure 's hands cops , sure time good , security good escrow houses effectively means perform wiretap , end wiretap , obligated inform tap performed , replace \( free \) clipper chip cellular phone code known escrow houses getting court order reveal key also makes decipherable past conversations \( may tape , disk , \) , understand proposal could wrong , 've seen mention session keys escrowed entities eff noted , raises issues fruits one bust leading incrimination areas worse current unsecure system \? becomes much worse , course , government uses clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption \( main concern us , think camel 's nose tent , etc \) may also become much worse security increased , thus allowing greater access central office records government \( conversations encrypted , object letting government access , perhaps even automatically archiving large fractions \) one main objections 266 proposal , would force telecom suppliers provide easy access government one government access months years encrypted conversations , takes one , one violation gets paperwork needed decrypt ! want anyone kind power \? tim may , whose sig block may get busted new regime remark heard day beginning take increasingly frightening significance comment made parts world democrats note big would known socialists note small democrat wonders thomas jefferson , anniversary birth , would thought state affairs government governed views expressed employer steven c johnson , trw johnson trwacs fp trw com fp1 3133 129 193 172 90 1 federal systems park drive phone 1 \( 703 \) 968 1000 fairfax , virginia u fax 1 \( 703 \) 803 views expressed employer steven c johnson , trw johnson trwacs fp trw com fp1 3133 129 193 172 90
downs helios nevada edu \( lamont downs \) subject windows gripe article helios downs 189 organization unlv lines 19 nntp posting host cat lv lib nevada edu 's one thing windows really 20mb ram installed system use 5mb \( 2 5mb windows \) disk cache , 4mb permanent swap file never fill memory , still problems sometimes run gdi resources gives \? think windows could manage resources little better using windows 3 0 3 1 \? 're still 3 0 , 3 1 twice much memory runs much less frequently 3 1 , might use one resource monitors \( one comes windows 3 1 resource kit one many shareware ones available \) see programs hogging resources \( every icon , internal graphics brush , etc every program running uses certain amount limited memory area also , n't give back 're finished \) lamont downs downs nevada edu
spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) subject bay area media \( wings leafs coverage \) organization personal opinions inc lines 41 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes dreier durban berkeley edu dreier durban berkeley edu \( roland dreier \) writes san francisco bay area media reporting tonight detroit red wings beat toronto maple leafs 6 3 someone part media conspiracy leafs tell game really went \( expecting 4 0 win leafs , shutout potvin , hat trick andreychuk goal 3 assists gilmour \) leafs really lost , many penalties whichever biased ref game call leafs let red wings win \? ah yes california san francisco bay area media report joe montana rumoured leading candidate replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston \? apparently montana winning attitude , playing coach expected quarterback powerplay close roger , banana , er \? ! \? murky news said kingston new quarterback i'm still trying determine kidding \) happen pound enuff sometime week 'll go back check idiot said column ought worth leafs , mean laughs i'm really depressed 'll read sf mark say mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockheed com cow palace 108 k 8 \?
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject damn ferigner 's taken article cos bob1 distribution world organization corporation open systems lines 34 dup apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes article bob1 cos bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) writes apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes norway \( appear posting \) place , although always escaped understanding appeal , allegedly rational people , scheme might gives king olav v \( whoever atlas 1987 \) right special legal status title based mere accident birth \? begin , 's quite inexpensive compared , six former presidents still alive , drawing , expense accounts , secret service protection maybe , , , president corporate world 's retiring senior executives given nice , etc point performed service part compensation package service royals perform free ride born might better former presidents done nothing peter ps say presidents provided service country dissimilar occurs bull services cow \( familiar cattle breeding \)
dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( mike \) subject panasonic kx driver \? organization drexel university , phila pa lines 2 anyone know print drivers windows panasonic kx 9 pin dot matrix printer \?
jerry rose com \( jerry \) subject synoptics lan h w article rose 1993apr17 distribution misc organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 21 x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) sale trade 2 synoptics model , lan new , never used , original packing unit 12 ports 10 ethernet connectivity included one power supply , manuals , bracket hardware 19 racks setup using unshielded twisted pair \( \) telephone wiring units 400 , trade i'm looking 386dx 486dx pc hardware email jerry rose com phone 416 855 \( , week \) rosereader 2 10 entered rose rosemail 2 10 rosenet usenet gateway rose media 416 733 2285
cco caltech edu \( frank \) subject arcade style buttons joysticks organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 19 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu anyone tell possible purchase controls found arcade style games many projects working would greatly augmented could implement thanx advance hap controls outside chicago sells andrew macrae actually , 's , equipment found parts express catalog \( 1 800 338 \) show switches 2 , joysticks 13 trackballs 80 also pinball parts good luck frank jr b ee music , california institute technology '92 audio consultant music engineering , university miami '94 alumni caltech edu , officer , n't know fast going
smace nyx cs du edu \( scott mace \) subject ide vs scsi \( go \) x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 92 article 1993apr12 486 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article netcom com erc netcom com \( eric smith \) writes scsi better better future , lot minor advantages right ide cards cheaper right , obsolete years \( fact , ide cards cheap , might well free real cost ide drives \) scsi cards cost , worth almost got hernia laughing one 'll probably get one realize 100 vesa super local bus ultra high tech controller sucks anything , scsi \( pc \) obsolete killed vesa local luck pc bus ever seen happens hook busmaster controller vesa local bus actually slows system bus ide must real nice get shafted 20 100 bucks extra cost scsi drive , pay another 200 300 scsi controller maybe workstation n't understand vesa local bus ide vesa local bus killed \? whatever spec vlbus good much vga cards 'll laugh start crying much spent 2 little ide drives finding need space biggest advantage scsi right add different kinds devices , tapes , etc , easily , add bigger disks best cost effective hard disks available scsi need drives larger 500 meg oh yes , gotta 10 megs sec transfer rate speedy tape backups cd rom drives n't stick foot mouth make statement know nothing 'd rather wait second compared 5 minutes ide would take \( obviously exaggerated \) ever tried backup 2 gigs disk \? oh forgot ca n't ide one makes ide disks big basically , person ask one better , probably never see expensive benefits scsi guess probably bought 486sx also , arm waving scsi moot point user one two drives scsi two drives may fast , speed due onboard memory cache something duplicate caching ide controller \? scsi 2 fast , wide spec much bandwidth stupid vlbus ide crap stop thread , bandwidth want read scsi vs ide pay visit local usenet archive best scsi 2 fast , wide , etc clearly faster best ide drive response given based upon personal experience 1 2 drives ca n't judge completely different interfaces ide low cost descent performance scsi ability super high capacity expandibility speed neither one better cases n't belive said busmastering vlbus pick back issue pc week tested vlbus , eisa isa busmastering cards send flames dev null scott mace internet smace nyx cs du edu tenet edu
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject tapped , code good organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 distribution na lines 25 dave \( chinet chi il us \) wrote article 1qpg8finn982 dns1 nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes pick mr may particular , course , n't kind domino theory \? one little country falls , neighbor surely follow , know , 're mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings , wrongness attempt correct \( vietnam , et al \) , domino theory n't disproved ironically , domino theory fact reasonable metaphor collapse communism , poland hungary border summer '89 fall wall later year ultimate collapse ussr tim may timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
rrz uni koeln de \( erwin h keeve \) subject polygon reduction marching cubes organization regional computing center , university cologne lines 36 distribution world nntp posting host rrz uni koeln de keywords polygon reduction , marching cubes , surfaces , visualisation dear reader , i'am searching implementation polygon reduction algorithm marching cubes surfaces think best one reduction algorithm schroeder et al , siggraph '92 , implementation algorithm , would nice could leave also i'am looking fast ! ! ! connectivity test marching cubes surfaces help hints useful thanks lot , , , \( \) ooo \( \) ooo erwin keeve adress peter 2 w 5000 cologne 1 , germany dept phone 49 221 132 \( 192 \) fax 49 221 17 academy media arts cologne email keeve khm uni koeln de
herrod xenon stanford edu \( stephen herrod \) subject latex help organization computer science department , stanford university lines 9 posted apps group n't get response , 'll try trying use latex help feature available emacs windows read need separate zip file along zip file convert windows help anyone found files gotten command help work \? thanks , steve herrod
phakt usc edu \( aka eugene hsu \) subject pc x organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 25 distribution usa nntp posting host phakt usc edu article isgtec isgtec com ted isgtec com \( ted richards \) writes al devilbiss \( al col hp com \) wrote brought ncd 's pc xview , windows version , use modem link unix system hp installation easy , need program , also ncd , called xremote run unix host total software cost one seat 200 anyone know ncd educational pricing software packages us strapped cash \? thanks eugene ted richards ted isgtec com ! uunet ca ! isgtec ! ted isg technologies inc 6509 airport rd , mississauga ont canada 1s7 eugene hsu \( aka \) university southern california scf usc edu electrical biomedical engineering ho , ho , freaking ho yeah yeah 's santa 's next victim \? 106 7 's new detective , goes undercover 12 15 92
erc berkeley edu \( eric ng \) subject sega genesis plus 9 sports games sale nntp posting host berkeley edu organization university california berkeley distribution usa lines 23 sale 1 sega genesis \( including cables , manuals , boxes \) 1 controller 9 games , including manuals boxes sonic road rash john madden football '92 n h l hockey baseball bulls vs lakers n b playoffs john madden football '93 n h l p hockey super monaco gp ii 300 \( best offer \) price includes ups cod shipping send e mail erc zabriskie berkeley edu interested eric eric ng erc zabriskie berkeley edu ! ucbvax ! zabriskie ! erc
dante shakala com \( charlie prael \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization shakala bbs \( clanzen radio network \) sunnyvale , ca 1 408 734 2289 lines 10 dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) writes merely issue lunatics \( , children would want stay \) paul reason many colonies founded \? charlie prael dante shakala com shakala bbs \( clanzen radio network \) sunnyvale , ca 1 408 734 2289
access digex com \( captain nerd \) subject simm use nubus board anyone seen one \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , maryland usa lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host access digex net summary anyone make \? anyone know i'm talking \? keywords simm nubus board ramdisk hello , remember running across ad back mac user world years ago , nubus board umpteen simm slots , used recycle old simms , upgraded memory n't remember made board , n't seen advertised latest mac magazines mentioned included software make simms board act like ram disk someone simms ca n't get rid use , hates waste , sounds like good idea anyone know board company i'm talking \? still business , anyone know get used one longer made \? help would greatly appreciated please e mail , save net bandwidth thanks , cap internet digex com aol compuserve , 105 cum absurdum est mus
jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) subject polls \( top ten excuses slick willie 's record setting disapproval rati \) organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 37 reply jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov nntp posting host ab20 larc nasa gov reply libwca emory edu 's message 14 apr 93 20 31 09 gmt article emoryu1 cc emory edu libwca emory edu \( bill anderson \) writes according key reason clinton 's low approval rating people angry moving fast enough gays military burst laughing heard planet cnn people live anyway \? jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov dunno , man sounds pretty damned unlikely , , although 's certainly one reasons i'm pissed maybe sample taken entirely fellow cultural elite \? jason , quote poll questions \? thanks , bill v 've never seen cnn give poll questions air sent letter asking , might get 's guess part session might look question approve clinton 's performance \? answer questions disapprove due gays military issue \? answer yes conclusion clinton low approval rating 's moving fast enough gays military think group truly dedicated reporting news would use manufactured news like polls jason
lynx dac northeastern edu \( scott r ehrlich \) subject help find stolen car organization northeastern university , boston , 02115 , usa distribution usa lines 25 offered relay information ham friend mine without internet access name robert \( bob \) , , car 1985 brown sierra sedan , massachusetts plate ht \( \) mobile antenna also included car stolen lynn , mass 10 days ago \( april 6 \) anyone information car 's whereabouts , please e mail thank taking time read message scott ehrlich internet wy1z world std com amateur radio wy1z packet radio wy1z usa na scott ehrlich internet wy1z world std com amateur radio wy1z packet radio wy1z usa na
wallacen cs colostate edu \( nathan wallace \) subject level 5 reply wallacen cs colostate edu nntp posting host cs colostate edu organization colorado state university computer science dept lines 15 according software engineering professor , actually rated level five ibm unit produced part software shuttle , means interesting note 90 software development groups surveyed level 1 ibm shuttle groups one level 5 ! c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c nathan f wallace c c reality c c e mail wallacen cs colostate edu c c ancient proverb c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c
cliff watson ibm com \( cliff \) subject reprints disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host cliff watson ibm com organization lines 17 reprints left chapters book visions future include reprints 3 chapters probably interest readers forum , including 1 current techniques development computer art , franz szabo 2 forging career sculptor career computer programmer , stewart 3 fractals genetics future h joel jeffrey 'd happy send free reprints researchers scholarly purposes , reprints run send name address thanks , cliff cliff watson ibm com
jmilhoan magnus acs ohio state edu \( jt \) subject 8 105 sale article magnus 1993apr6 distribution usa organization ohio state university lines 32 nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu 25mhz 68040 8 105 moto 56001 dsp \( perfect dimming shaking \) keyboard mouse \( course \) 2 1 installed 2 1 docs network system administration user 's reference applications next book , bruce webster \( new copy \) black modem cable 30 hd disks \( 10 still box , others backing apps \) need sell pronto get car \( engine locked \) ! machine runs great used house covered use days n't around 2 , 300 including federal express second day air , best offer , cod doorstep \( within continental us \) ! ! need sell , n't agree price , make offer , within reason \) thanks , jt \( please letters asking donate tax break \)
jfurr nyx cs du edu \( joel furr \) subject many mutlus dance head pin \? x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 16 article israel nysernet org warren nysernet org writes polaris async vt edu jfurr polaris async vt edu \( joel furr \) writes many mutlus dance head pin \? reminds armenian massacre turks joel , took sct , sure want invoke name mason kibo 's last name lest include daily rounds \? dunno , warren day heard rumor serdar argic \( aka hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot \) really turk , fact armenian attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make serious discussion impossible , thereby historical record tremendous cloud confusion
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject inimitable rushdie \( anecdote islam distribution world , public organization boston university physics department lines 40 article 1993apr15 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) writes article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes authorities referring authority world islamic community point simply islamic law apply muslims wherever despite fact islamic law may non islamic countries muslims residing uk may decide \( whatever \) islamic community , rulings legal consequences isles 's really decision tried rulings legal consequences , islamic law uk law \( obvious \) enforcing judgment distinct making judgment take example judgments world court internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often physical economic effect important despite fact judgments cannot enforced person may excommunicated \( similar \) decided mete violent laws fatwa would breaking uk laws , persons would liable prosecution course , read thread post \? ignore country 's laws preference religious laws indigenous country question absurd arrogant notion course , sort explicitly islam thank well reasoned response , beside points 've making thread gregg
bmdelane quads uchicago edu \( brian manning delaney \) subject brain tumor treatment \( thanks \) reply bmdelane midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 12 people responded request info treatment email , could n't thank directly mail bouncing probs \( sean , debra , sharon \) thought 'd publicly thank everyone thanks ! \( i'm sure glad accidentally hit rn instead rm trying delete file last september hmmm \? ' 's \? \) brian
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icf hrb com \( eric sebastian \) subject thumbs espn organization hrb systems , inc lines 12 article 1993apr20 032017 5783 wuecl wustl edu , jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) writes nice see espn show game 1 wings leafs since cubs astros got rained instead showing another baseball game , decided stanley cup playoffs classy move espn good see wings play , lets give espn much credit n't late baseball games n't another option eric sebastian go pens
green island com \( robert greenstein \) subject aids organization strawman incorporated lines 21 article news cso uiuc edu euclid mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( euclid k \) writes tea4two eng sun com \( alice taylor \) writes friend mine seeing acupuncturist wants know danger getting aids needles ask practitioner whether uses pre disposable needles , needles , use former case 's conceivable way get aids needles latter case 's highly unlikely \( though many practitioners use disposable variety anyway \) illegal perform acupuncture needles licensed practitioner would dare also single documented case transmission aids via acupuncture needles would n't worry robert greenstein fool cannot learn laughs , thinking green island com laughter shows superiority instead latent idiocy
gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) subject plus minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic ca reply gballent hudson uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 47 article ucs ubc ca , gibson nukta geop ubc ca \( brad gibson \) writes response debate better season jagr francis think jagr probably better point per minute ice time stats n't exist properly analyze better actually , think become evident , determined flaunt ignorance cost jagr better season francis suggest otherwise insult modicum hockey knowledge save almost devotion almighty plus minus misleading hockey stat available nhl publishes useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game measure quality \( e , player put key situations like protecting lead late game matched team 's top one two lines short handed , etc \) , would much rather see disappear altogether instead dubious merits trumpeted little understanding implications useful statistic player ice team scores lot goals allows goals , must something right especially useful compare teammates play team roughly similar ratings equally good players adjusted varying degrees success compare players different teams agree would nice nhl keep statistics useful ones suggest \? \? total ice time would useful missing stat jagr vs francis arguments somehow measuring quality ice time suggest would useless would better stat evaluating coaching ie players given quality ice time actually talented ones \? good player could given low amounts quality ice time team depth stupid coach n't recognize talent bad player could given lots quality ice time lack team depth stupid coach thinks effective player stat would much flawed almost conclusions could drawn regarding player talent useful stat quite useful evaluating player talent one displaying ignorance unwillingness see ice goals scored allowed positive thing evaluated gregmeister
kurt dna lth se \( kurt swanson \) subject determines default x font \? organization lund institute technology , sweden lines 10 i'm running x openwindows 3 normal x programs font specified always show font change , restart windows new default font used next change ca n't seem figure chooses way set \? possibly something xdefaults \? \? \? please reply direct email summarize kurt swanson , dept computer science , universitet kurt swanson dna lth se
news leland stanford edu \( mr news \) subject hate make decision ! organization dso , stanford university lines 30 article 1993apr26 gtonwu uz nthu edu tw gtonwu uz nthu edu tw \( tony g wu \) writes hi well , really hate make decision , recently , choose whether stacker 3 0 dos 6 0 double space poor hd using 3 1 hope choose live windows help appreciated \( forever 23 , michael jordan \) tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw stacker achieves better compression ratio dos6 , yet latter comes virus detection , memory manager , multiple booting good nav , qemm opinion , package 45 , 's nice n't yet installed certainly work win31
abou dam cee clarkson edu subject computer books sale \( updated list \) article news 1993apr6 organization clarkson university lines 76 nntp posting host dam cee clarkson edu updated list hi everybody following books sale books brand new find book like need information , please feel free send e mail buyers pays shipping fees thanks abou sun soe clarkson edu title windows programming introduction author william h murray , iii chris h pappas publish osborne mcgraw hill pp 650 cover soft note covers windows 3 0 asking 15 title harvard graphics complete reference author cary jensen anderson publish osborne mcgraw hill pp 1073 cover soft note covers releases 2 3 draw partner asking 15 title high performance interactive graphics modeling , rendering , animating author lee adams publish windcrest pp 402 cover soft note full examples programs basic asking 15 title science engineering applications ibm pc author r publish abacus pp 262 cover soft note lot examples basic asking 10 title graphics dot matrix printer get printer perform miracles author john w davenport publish simon schuster pp 461 cover soft note full examples programs basic asking 10 title programming turbo c author scott zimmerman beverly b zimmerman publish scott , co pp 637 cover soft note pages highlighted asking 10 title introduction computer graphics author john michael miller publish brooks cole engineering division pp 427 cover soft note example programs basic fortran asking 10 title hard disk pocket reference author kris publish osborne mcgraw hill pp 128 cover soft note pocket size asking 4
kerr ux1 cso uiuc edu \( stan kerr \) subject macx 1 2 color problem summary problem macx 1 2 painting wrong colors keywords mac x color window macx organization university illinois urbana lines 13 peculiar color problem macx , apple 's macintosh x server 'd like know others seen problem 's happened current version \( 1 2 \) , version 1 1 7 types client windows displayed , parts windows wrong color window moved slightly , forcing server repaint , repainted correct colors n't happen xterm windows , happened graphic windows motif clients stan kerr computing communications services office , u illinois urbana phone 217 333 email uiuc edu
student tc umn edu \( bret \) subject cheap video card lc \? w fpu \? nntp posting host dialup slip 1 33 gw umn edu organization university minnesota lines 7 wondering anyone info experience video fpu mac lc , thinking adding second monitor , likely grayscale bret exp \( pi \) 1 0 university minnesota electrical engineering
subject cancer treatment centers rohvm1 rohmhaas com organization rohm haas company lines 9 relative mine recently diagnosed stage 3 cell cancer urgently seeking best place country treatment anyone suggestions \? might suspect , time essence thanks help bob
andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) subject usenet playoff hockey pool game 1 standings organization idacom , division hewlett packard lines 224 standings game 1 divisional semi finals \( hey , look 's 4 ! \) 'll try post standings game \( e every two days \) managed recover email lost saturday night , i'm missing mail arrived early saturday morning sunday afternoon many people sent teams , may received two replies back team name list , please resend team 'll see kind proof sent weekend help case \) seriously , fun pool trust person honest , sorry inconvenience , hope pool still fun andrew usenet hockey playoff draft standings posn team pts rem last posn 1 scorers 43 25 \( \) 2 borg 42 25 \( \) dave wessels 42 25 \( \) 4 bruce 's rented mules 41 25 \( \) great expectations 41 25 \( \) hurricane andrew 41 25 \( \) jerky boys 41 24 \( \) homesick hawaiian 41 25 \( \) 9 give money monday 40 25 \( \) einstien 's punk band 40 25 \( \) 11 zipper heads 39 25 \( \) tapio repo 39 25 \( \) detroit 39 25 \( \) dead ducks 39 25 \( \) mike burger 39 25 \( \) test department 39 25 \( \) team elvis 39 25 \( \) craig team 39 25 \( \) 19 skate die 38 25 \( \) debbie bowles 38 25 \( \) fuzzfaces 38 25 \( \) 38 25 \( \) campi machine 38 25 \( \) zachmans wingers 38 25 \( \) sean forbes 38 25 \( \) 38 25 \( \) senators 38 25 \( \) team awesome 38 25 \( \) p bury 38 25 \( \) purdue ricks pens 38 25 \( \) gb flyers 38 25 \( \) seppo kemppainen 38 25 \( \) 33 paige faults 37 25 \( \) weenies 37 25 \( \) chris roney 37 25 \( \) rednecks hockey hell 37 25 \( \) dog 's hog 's 37 25 \( \) mind 37 25 \( \) teem kanada 37 25 \( \) northern lights 37 25 \( \) 37 25 \( \) delaware destroyers 37 25 \( \) mopar muscle men 37 25 \( \) lance hill boston bruins fa 37 25 \( \) garryola 37 25 \( \) brothers 37 25 \( \) sam dogs 37 25 \( \) cluster buster 37 24 \( \) jan stein 37 25 \( \) frank 's little 37 25 \( \) milton keynes kings 37 25 \( \) promise land 37 25 \( \) rangers destiny 37 25 \( \) 54 new zealand leafs 36 25 \( \) loaded weapons 36 25 \( \) bloom county stars 36 25 \( \) robarts research rebels 36 25 \( \) tiger chung 36 25 \( \) goddess fermentation 36 25 \( \) make beliefs 36 25 \( \) rob del 36 25 \( \) heikki 36 25 \( \) underwriters 36 25 \( \) muller n walker 36 25 \( \) controversy warriors 36 25 \( \) 36 25 \( \) norway 36 25 \( \) 36 25 \( \) buffalo soldiers 36 25 \( \) lemon pepper grizzly bears 36 25 \( \) frack attack 36 25 \( \) houdini 's magicians 36 25 \( \) rangers 1940 36 24 \( \) rangers blow 36 25 \( \) 75 dave 35 25 \( \) yan loke 35 25 \( \) canadian 35 25 \( \) littlest giants 35 25 \( \) alf 's stars 35 25 \( \) ice 35 25 \( \) beer makes expert 35 25 \( \) force 25 35 25 \( \) mr 35 25 \( \) 35 25 \( \) 35 25 \( \) rev 's rebels 35 25 \( \) 35 25 \( \) 35 25 \( \) kramer george jerry 35 25 \( \) 35 25 \( \) sludge 35 25 \( \) j 's 35 25 \( \) brians 35 25 \( \) grant marven 35 25 \( \) arctic circles 35 25 \( \) kane 's men 35 25 \( \) trevor 's triumph 35 25 \( \) mark steve dreaming 35 25 \( \) goaldingers 35 25 \( \) bjoern leaguen 35 25 \( \) habs playing golf 35 25 \( \) 102 34 25 \( \) new jersey rob 34 25 \( \) superstars 34 25 \( \) big bay bombers 34 25 \( \) doug bowles 34 25 \( \) neural netters 34 25 \( \) lippe 34 25 \( \) lets go 34 25 \( \) les 34 25 \( \) daves knee jerk picks 34 25 \( \) monica loke 34 25 \( \) jason team 34 25 \( \) 34 25 \( \) schott shooters 34 25 \( \) gilles carmel 34 25 \( \) 's lakers 34 25 \( \) smithw 34 25 \( \) east city jokers 34 25 \( \) daryl turner 34 25 \( \) doug 34 25 \( \) skriko wolves 34 25 \( \) 34 25 \( \) lamp lighters 34 25 \( \) thin ice 34 25 \( \) head 34 25 \( \) 127 samuel lau \( calgary , alberta \) 33 25 \( \) comfortably numb 33 25 \( \) fans oulu 33 25 \( \) gail 33 25 \( \) gee man 33 25 \( \) wait theres 33 25 \( \) 33 25 \( \) danielle leblanc 33 25 \( \) bobby fan club 33 25 \( \) ottawa 33 25 \( \) bets 33 25 \( \) triple x 33 25 \( \) timo ojala 33 25 \( \) flying pigs 33 25 \( \) 141 32 25 \( \) van isle colonists 32 25 \( \) commitments 32 25 \( \) bure 's blur 32 25 \( \) great scott 32 25 \( \) weasels 32 25 \( \) shooters 32 25 \( \) 32 25 \( \) 32 25 \( \) high stickers 32 25 \( \) mak paranjape 32 25 \( \) lord stanley 's 32 25 \( \) san jose mahi mahi 32 25 \( \) oz 32 25 \( \) e 32 25 \( \) mann mariners 32 24 \( \) dream team 32 25 \( \) stacey ross 32 25 \( \) louisiana psycho killers 32 25 \( \) la coupe stainless 32 25 \( \) 161 fighting amish 31 25 \( \) evan pritchard 31 25 \( \) stars 31 25 \( \) pens dynasty 31 25 \( \) 31 25 \( \) go go 31 25 \( \) 31 25 \( \) arm hammer 31 25 \( \) 31 25 \( \) chapman chaps 31 25 \( \) dean martin 31 25 \( \) cherry bombers 31 25 \( \) 173 's 30 25 \( \) anson mak 30 25 \( \) knights power play 30 25 \( \) 176 canuck force 29 25 \( \) butt ends 29 25 \( \) beam team 29 25 \( \) 29 25 \( \) chapman sticks 29 25 \( \) ken de 29 25 \( \) goons 29 25 \( \) tampere salami 29 25 \( \) sparky 's select 29 25 \( \) 185 hillside raiders 28 25 \( \) elephants 28 25 \( \) jane 's world 28 25 \( \) 28 25 \( \) 189 required 27 25 \( \) chip n dale 27 25 \( \) brian bergman 27 25 \( \) 192 killer kings 26 25 \( \) nords 26 25 \( \) 194 arsenal maple leafs 25 18 \( \) martin 's gag 25 25 \( \) 196 du 24 25 \( \) 197 lisa 's 23 25 \( \) andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom operation \( 403 \) 462 0666 ext 253 roman era , 28 considered old
mcole spock \( cole \) subject 8051 microcontroller organization new mexico state university lines 3 nntp posting host spock nmsu edu would like experiment intel 8051 family anyone know good ftp sites might , assemblers , etc \?
moakler romulus rutgers edu \( bam ! \) subject bob dylan baseball abstract distribution na organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 49 little something found reading village voice , noted sports coverage , occasionally print interesting features year , predictions team analyses 1993 season presented form bob dylan lyrics n't article front , 'll give memorable ones remember know could dig interest \( tune homesick blues \) howe basement , mixing medicine george pavement thinking 'bout government wade boggs trench coat , bat , paid , says 's got bad back , wants get laid look kids , 's n't know , 's columbus mets \( tune like rolling stone \) upon time played fine threw away dykstra prime , n't \? people said beware cone , 's bound roam thought kidding used laugh , strawberry n't talk loud , n't seem proud , shop vince coleman next deal phillies \( tune highway 61 \) well daulton dykstra fun , keep highway 61 ! giants \( tune rubin carter \) story magowan , man st petersburg came pan , something never done , sits owner 's box one day could world ! bill moakler ! rutgers ! moakler remus rutgers edu po box ! atlantic alliance ! \( 908 \) 932 3465 new brunswick , nj ! con '93 ! free man !
brian gab unt edu \( brian stone \) subject new study gay percentage lines 39 organization college arts sciences article also contains numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 compared table already posted masters , johnson , kolodny showing male homosexual partners , apparent homosexual men dramatically promiscuous general male population 's shame n't breakdown straight men vs gay bi men would show even dramatically much promiscuous gay bi men n't funny someone seems know nothing homosexuality uses flawed \( imho \) source information pass homosexual bisexual men would seem logical say since heterosexual group men larger chances promiscuity larger well opinion , orientation nothing men men like sex gay male sex three times life , man , virgin whose promiscuous \? someone gay n't mean morals someone heterosexual n't mean look world statistics alone prove criminals default hetero look closely person , group flames ignored \) later , \( \) \( \) \( brian stone \) \( \) \( unt cas tech support \) \( life without touch hard , \) \( \) \( life without unthinkable \) \( brian gab unt edu \) \( \) \( \) \( \)
subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 51 article gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) writes key question whether non clipper encryption made illegal administration saying , since encryption threatens public safety effective law enforcement , prohibit outright \( countries effectively done \) u saying every american , matter right , entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue either proposition rather , concerns , fact , harmoniously balanced reasoned , balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques clear middle ground implied statements say americans right clipper encryption , unbreakable encryption implies , ultimately , non clipper strong encryption must become illegal text deleted , value judgement implied 's shocking frightening see actually happening hal finney hal alumni caltech edu shocking says less government interested monitoring public scare , pgp ripem must become widespread enough resist mr finney imho correctly identified next logical step academic discussion regard concealing cyphertext , become real consideration rhetoric clinton administration seems obsessed , harmony , either propositions , tension , tells know difficult sell proposition phrase hear ca n't believe actually happening call , clinton huge mistake 'll paying many years approached age public key \? uni \( dark \) uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys cc iastate edu sovereignty sign brutal past
aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) subject rejoinder questions israelis reply aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) organization national capital freenet lines 34 previous article , cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) says today \? finally , israel wants peace , ca n't declare considers legitimate secure borders , might base negotiations \? facts mind , one cannot blame arab countries fear israeli expansionism , number wars proved \( 1948 , 1956 , 1967 , 1982 \) oh yeah , israel really ready expand borders holiest day year \( yom kippur \) arabs attacked 1973 oh wait , chose omit war perhaps 100 supports exact opposite point trying make \? n't think 's war hit israel hardest also , 1967 egypt , israel kicked un force 1948 arabs refused accept existance israel based borders set united nations 1956 , egypt closed red sea israeli shipping , clear antagonistic act 1982 attack response years constant shelling terrorist organizations golan heights children murdered time terrorists israel finally nowhere see war israel started borders could expanded steve internet aa229 freenet carleton ca fidonet 1 163 109 18 mossad qube ocunix ca opinions associated anything , including head
spl dim ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject finding equally spaced points sphere organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 326 nntp posting host dim ucsd edu article rpi edu rdrc rpi edu \( thomas e \) writes hello , know discussed time n't need sphere kind soul code , finally decided upon best \( recall nice , subdivision \) , would appreciative one andrew graphics gems glassner got mine think fiddled little bit make deal whatever bizarre problem working time known work spl spheres 9 feb 85 spl thu mar 8 17 17 40 est 1990 include stdio h include math h define pi 3 struct point struct double x , , z static double radius static double xorg static double yorg static double zorg sphere \( r , freq , x , , z \) double r int freq double x double double z int pole double northy , southy , double rtheta , rtheta2 , , , double theta , , thisy , den , struct point node struct point struct p1 , p2 , p3 , p4 , n1 , n2 , n3 , n4 , pt radius r xorg x yorg zorg z north pole 30 0 pi 180 0 northy radius sin \( \) southy radius sin \( \) \( pole 0 pole 2 pole \) \( pole 0 \) radius thisy northy 0 0 else radius thisy southy 36 0 \( theta theta 360 0 theta 60 0 \) rtheta theta pi 180 0 rtheta2 \( theta 60 0 \) pi 180 0 p1 x 0 0 p1 p1 z 0 0 p2 x radius cos \( rtheta \) p2 thisy p2 z radius sin \( rtheta \) p3 x radius cos \( rtheta2 \) p3 thisy p3 z radius sin \( rtheta2 \) \( pole 0 \) make ring go way normals right pt x p3 x pt p3 pt z p3 z p3 x p2 x p3 p2 p3 z p2 z p2 x pt x p2 pt p2 z pt z den \( p1 x p1 x \) \( p1 p1 \) \( p1 z p1 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p1 x p1 p1 z den \( p2 x p2 x \) \( p2 p2 \) \( p2 z p2 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p2 x p2 p2 z den \( p3 x p3 x \) \( p3 p3 \) \( p3 z p3 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p3 x p3 p3 z subdivide tri \( p1 , p2 , p3 , freq \) body \( theta 0 0 theta 360 0 theta 60 0 \) rtheta theta pi 180 0 rtheta2 \( theta 60 0 \) pi 180 0 \( theta 36 0 \) pi 180 0 \( theta 96 0 \) pi 180 0 p1 x radius cos \( rtheta \) p1 northy p1 z radius sin \( rtheta \) p2 x radius cos \( rtheta2 \) p2 northy p2 z radius sin \( rtheta2 \) p3 x radius cos \( \) p3 southy p3 z radius sin \( \) p4 x radius cos \( \) p4 southy p4 z radius sin \( \) den \( p1 x p1 x \) \( p1 p1 \) \( p1 z p1 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p1 x p1 p1 z den \( p2 x p2 x \) \( p2 p2 \) \( p2 z p2 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p2 x p2 p2 z den \( p3 x p3 x \) \( p3 p3 \) \( p3 z p3 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p3 x p3 p3 z den \( p4 x p4 x \) \( p4 p4 \) \( p4 z p4 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p4 x p4 p4 z subdivide tri \( p1 , p2 , p3 , freq \) subdivide tri \( p3 , p2 , p4 , freq \) return define norm pt \( v \) register double r sqrt \( \( \( v \) x \( v \) x \) \( \( v \) \( v \) \) \( \( v \) z \( v \) z \) \) \( v \) x r \( v \) r \( v \) z r subdivide tri \( p1 , p2 , p3 , \) struct point struct p1 , p2 , p3 int struct point struct n1 , n2 , n3 struct point struct p12 , p13 , p23 double den , \( 0 \) p12 x \( p1 x p2 x \) 2 0 p12 \( p1 p2 \) 2 0 p12 z \( p1 z p2 z \) 2 0 den \( p12 x p12 x \) \( p12 p12 \) \( p12 z p12 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p12 x p12 p12 z p13 x \( p1 x p3 x \) 2 0 p13 \( p1 p3 \) 2 0 p13 z \( p1 z p3 z \) 2 0 den \( p13 x p13 x \) \( p13 p13 \) \( p13 z p13 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p13 x p13 p13 z p23 x \( p2 x p3 x \) 2 0 p23 \( p2 p3 \) 2 0 p23 z \( p2 z p3 z \) 2 0 den \( p23 x p23 x \) \( p23 p23 \) \( p23 z p23 z \) den sqrt \( den \) \( den ! 0 0 \) radius den p23 x p23 p23 z subdivide tri \( p1 , p12 , p13 , 1 \) subdivide tri \( p12 , p2 , p23 , 1 \) subdivide tri \( p13 , p23 , p3 , 1 \) subdivide tri \( p12 , p23 , p13 , 1 \) else n1 x p1 x n1 p1 n1 z p1 z norm pt \( n1 \) n2 x p2 x n2 p2 n2 z p2 z norm pt \( n2 \) n3 x p3 x n3 p3 n3 z p3 z norm pt \( n3 \) nothing special poly printf \( f f f f f f n , p1 x xorg , p1 yorg , p1 z zorg , n1 x , n1 , n1 z \) printf \( f f f f f f n , p2 x xorg , p2 yorg , p2 z zorg , n2 x , n2 , n2 z \) printf \( f f f f f f n , p3 x xorg , p3 yorg , p3 z zorg , n3 x , n3 , n3 z \) return steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 car car , bumper strip seen 805
horan cse unl edu \( mark horan \) subject best second baseman \? article crcnis1 distribution usa organization university nebraska lincoln lines 29 nntp posting host cse unl edu thf2 ellis uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes article 1993mar29 sarah albany edu albnyvms bitnet writes personally , think alomar hype producing incredibly , long run , never put numbers sandberg moment , alomar may best , overall sandberg wins long shot sandberg alomar 's age , putting 261 seasons power alomar 's 1992 oba 25 points higher sandberg 's career high alomar 's career high doubles triples higher sandberg 's sandberg still better alomar , alomar n't reached full potential yet alomar 's got 2 5 year sandberg \( 862 hits sandberg n't 862 hits 26 \) , likely put better career numbers sandberg everything except home runs 'll pass sandberg stolen bases sometime 1995 sandberg particulary known stolen bases competition alomar \? sandberg came year ripken , year boggs , gwynn , magicians less attention given sandberg alomar one class worth mediocre besides numbers n't count national league pitchers much better pitchers larry someone elses account mark horan horan cse unl edu
norman vi ri cmu edu subject radar jammers stealth cars nntp posting host vi ri cmu edu reply com organization school computer science , carnegie mellon distribution usa lines 6 eric h taylor writes determined go faster , get airplane dont speed limits n't make habit buzzing local airport 200 knots \( 250 knots 're flying jet \) \)
griffith egr msu edu \( terry griffith \) subject orchid fahrenheit answers organization michigan state university , college engineering lines 21 distribution na nntp posting host elvira egr msu edu ok thanks responded post 's official response orchid orchid aware problem , new rev board \( rev \) \( would \) take care problem production scheduled start april 15 , confirmation production start day word tech line flame would think company like orchid produced good quality products past would helpfull willing make right screwup poor tech support \( first 2 times called must spoke talking \) last time talked tech named paul seemed pretty good idea going problems neither department buy recommend orchid products flame thanks answered post terry
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject billboard station space dock \? lines 24 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks seems mile long billboard space object station ever problems \( little bit different normal space ideas , shuttles \) also dag combine discussion topic \? liek idea billboard space problem service \? fly shuttle dc 1 near fly \? \? \? special docking section shuttle dc 1 docking \? also billboard springs leak \? self sealing \? \? thinking \( okay rambling \) also must inflated billboard , covered inside harder substance \( agent \) hard billboard would giant docking structure space dock station \? \? missing something \( probably ! \? \) michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
paul csd4 csd uwm edu \( paul r krueger \) subject brewer bullpen rocked organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator paul csd4 csd uwm edu second straight game , california scored ton late runs crush six runs 8th 12 5 win monday five 8th six 9th 12 2 win yesterday jamie pitched seven strong innings , , austin , lloyd took part mockery bullpen yesterday 's numbers \? pitched three scoreless innings 's era 0 75 next lowest staff 5 14 ouch ! n't look much better hitters hamilton batting 481 , thon hitting 458 seven rbi next highest three next best hitter 267 vaughn , team 's hr , 238 another ouch looking stats , 's hard see team 2 5 fact , 2 5 n't sound bad 're averaging three runs game giving 6 6 game still , 's early things undoubtedly get better offense come around , bullpen major worry , austin gave brewers great middle relief last year lloyd , , , , austin pick pace team successful milwaukee number games last year middle relief either held small leads kept small deficits place starters okay , defense alright hitting come around , bullpen big question mark news , nilsson yesterday , william sent tim picked montreal today 's game california cancelled
johnl iecc cambridge us \( john r levine \) subject clipper algorithm secret organization e c c lines 21 cryptographic protocol , though , another matter see valid reasons keeping secret , hope 've shown lot ways things n't \( quite \) bad occurred algorithm secret published , one could build physically identical clone versions chip would interoperate official clipper chips would n't provide keys escrow houses technical hack 've missed \? e g chips made , shipped two escrow houses programmed halves keys , way requires secret keys known escrow houses installed well , without clone versions would n't interoperate \? getting awfully complicated , 's crypto john r levine , iecc , pob 349 , cambridge 02238 , 1 617 492 johnl iecc cambridge us , ima spdcc world ! iecc ! johnl time money ! steal today !
tims megatek com \( tim scott \) subject rfd misc taoism reply tims megatek com organization megatek corporation , san diego , california lines 72 article cup portal com thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) writes would like add support misc taoism discussion group applaud shown person posting cup portal com thyagi cup portal com \( read alt magick \) , differ believing least minimal parameters agreed upon thyagi wrote recommend depth generality , indeed , ambiguity , newsgroup \( misc taoism \) calling tradition old new rather unnecessary , leads foolish doubt nature splendid teacher , whether appears words spoken tree stream , star let us limit n't limit something , discussion degenerates big amorphous questions thyagi proposes 1 \) process \? 2 \) taoism based upon assumption \? 3 \) assumption concern knowledge known \? 4 \) value knowing \? 5 \) 'a \? mean \? seems questions properly fall category general metaphysics would prefer misc taoism deal closely topics works closely associated least semi orthodox taoism established classic works definitely included works like chia 's argued ! think neo taoism excluded get group \( mean humpty dumpty taoism , taoism means whatever poster says means \) alt taoism could also refuge debates taoism really means speculations sexual alchemy , etc e g \( thyagi \) taoism hell wants , tell taoism n't exist real decide , real real \? exist exist \? shall certain kent predicts \( quoting thyagi 's article \) however traffic group likely concern philosophical , secular taoism alan watts niels bohr , taoism pertains medical , sexual martial techniques think discussions nature completely place 's happening term taoism becoming completely polluted trivialized like words magic , alchemy , zen , etc , writers word mean whatever want seen new age books entitled tao , , everything else \( respect exceptions like books , \) comments ideas \? look forward seeing balance , say let misc taoism rip let chips fall may gets filled college asking tao sex failure people post groups tim p scott sending megatek corporation \( 619 \) 455 ext rd san diego , ca usa fax \( 619 \) 453 internet tims megatek com uunet ! megatek ! tims
wayne uva386 schools virginia edu \( tony wayne \) subject speaker impedance help needed organization virginia 's public education network \( charlottesville \) lines 7 want connect small home made speaker headphone jack macintosh lc experiment dc resistance speaker 1 ohm ideas safely \? think need kind impedance transformer something \? tony wayne uva386 school virginia edu
whit carson u washington edu \( john whitmore \) subject nuclear site 's cooling towers \? article shelley organization university washington , seattle lines 25 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article vcd hp com johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) writes s87271077 walker man 50 \( swalker uts edu au \) wrote nuclear fission reaction uranium fuel get hot enough melt happens liquid uranium pumped cooling tower sprayed air nonsense first , uranium fuel sealed alloy cylinders \( n't melt circumstances short major failure power plant \) second , primary water \( inside reactor core \) never pumped cooling tower \( 's secondary water cycle goes cooling tower \) third , liquid uranium would burst flame contact air contact cool outside air condense mist fall back cooling tower floor collected cleaning crew using shop reformed pellets reactor use next day cleaning crew working mist uranium \? toxic heavy metal , even radioactive n't smileys \? \? john whitmore
expert cc purdue edu \( todd \) subject batf fbi revenge organization purdue university computing center lines 172 anyone idea size waco \? i'm curious small town may something possibly sure n't take long burn though watching abc took like little 30 minutes burn waco city 100 , 000 people population temporarily raised 102 , 000 people feds , state police officers arrived tell , stayed hotel room 4 miles bd compound around 3 weeks ago never felt paranoid whole life least 100 state police hotel claim water turned , fire engines bring n't hold cut water , surely could turned back quickly n't want scores settle message anybody else clear fuck us one believe everything government tells us true message wanted send wait 51 days \? think message would better sent charging right away waiting 51 days pounding sound , etc bunch dead bd members going able tell side story , story according batf fbi also , mr care rights people clinton , administration approved action \( fbi said approved it' \) fbi said gas masks used bds finite life , close running waited \? well , 9 people supposedly alive tell story far bill clinton concerned n't think pressing matters attend besides small group people texas \? bosnia \? 's problem could n't waited \? waited long something done earlier gov trying say mass suicide past expressed real possibility , decided n't possibility could go raid apparantly feel korash capable going driven convenient time means 1 public media forget become weary already happened many people 2 investigation \( independent otherwise \) whitewash much possibility 3 warrant related documents 4 anybody know incident batf version way government would n't doubt 5 batf given abuses , effective support approval administration clinton said news knew happening hands fbi choose believe media 6 abuses , concern administration 7 precident established feds kill quantity achieve aims especially target rights second amendment , rest bill rights , government declared un nice fellow rocket launchers \( press gov claims \) n't done something \? possible use would religious cult rocket launcher \? also , child abuse covered bill rights \? pleased ping \( sp \) pleased saddam hussein \( sp \) pleased idi amin would pleased stalin would pleased even hitler would pleased self respecting would nod say well done , bill clinton ! ! well , probably lot self respecting us cause i'm sure feel way god bless america land free ! ! ! \( past tense \) well , maybe overreacting see tv typing maybe , maybe lot questions raised incident problem , heard \? govt \( new attorney general , known almost rabid private ownership guns wants ban 'assault everything else \) , saying fbi amazing restraint , falls back official line bd child abuse , going basis , note according liberal elite , giving child spanking regarded child abuse \( seriously gets known , state take child away spank kid \) also saying state \? federal government individual state government \? clinton personally approved operation told appropriate , said ok , somehow , surprised people must know boss charge ! ! ! longer people seems people n't charge long time really n't think government would many things past maintain appropriate response , far raid batf concerned , regarding child abuse \? batf child protective services police yet bd tried charge found guilty gov't people pretty much gone silent terrible illegal guns bd supposedly , stress continued child abuse \( apparantly make seem sort operation , figuring everyone hates child abusers , anything ok use \) occasional references ammunition bds irrelevant illegal ammunition \( yet \) true illegal rocket launcher \? vain hope honest investigation occur thing \? simply whitewashed rug , business usual continue order day new order \? given official title thought police , wonder \? clinton friends way , \( highly likely point \) new order government also guns 1984 going ten years late think going discover paying dearly putting fellow office decades come even die hard supporters serious doubts savior shit , people dont get want right away instant problem clinton office months give chance get something done guy lot shit thrown lap beginning give chance work things little say rome n't built day yes , upset see good far civil individual rights come proposals decisions last month really bill rights nothing quaint curiosity highly doubt bad yet rodney king trial \? two people responsible got axe bad axe falls tho yet seen anybody impeachment \? nope would prefer give bill little four five months solve nations problems pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu
nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) subject wife wants convertible nntp posting host 145 4 54 110 reply nuet ke pts mot com organization paging wireless data group lines 9 help ! ! ! wife informed wants convertible next car live south fla , definitely right one wife mentioned miata , think small would like wait new mustangs \( dec '93 think \) anyone opinions convertibles reasonable price range thanx
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject power , signal surges home nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 15 kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) writes car , unfortunately , much computer junk hood 's astonishingly sensitive rfi key 2w ht engine hood open , car loses timing due rf leaking distributor pickup poor design news article little ago reporting type car \( volvo \? \) found stall used certain brand model cellular phone seem remember car recalled fix problem hmmmmm possibilities police pursuit vehicle , maybe bombard high energy rfi \)
haston utkvx utk edu \( haston , donald wayne \) subject hijaak news software vax vms vnews 1 41 keywords hijaak organization university tennessee computing center lines 14 heard impressive things \( windows \) currently , use shareware program called graphics workshop kinds things hijaak shareware programs \? experience hijaak \? programs better \? please email , help wayne haston haston utkvx utk edu thanks !
ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) subject rosicrucian order \( \) \? ! organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 13 reply ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) says well , depends look interested might find latest status legal battle kent please ! n't want post , email \) n't know discussion appreciated hate newsgroups themes limited interest \) tony
na4 vax5 cit cornell edu subject aerostitch 1 2 piece \? distribution rec organization cornell university lines 11 request opinions better one piece aerostitch two piece aerostitch \? 're looking well , 2 pc versatile , 1 pc better protection , thanks advance ,
sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) subject changing oil self keywords n nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 18 article 1993apr15 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com \( ronald j deblock jr \) writes avoid problems entirely installing oil drain valve place bolt one cars leaks 210 , 000 miles \( combined miles cars \) yes , someone would problem draining oil parking lot reach underneath , turn valve , forget trip home less likelyhood wrench personally recommend , installing 'special' locking drain plug keep vandals away \) steve
phil howtek mv com \( phil hunt \) subject rapid tech squeeze card \? organization howtek , inc reply phil howtek mv com \( phil hunt \) x mailer uaccess macintosh release 1 6v2 lines 22 hi , going box old ibm card came across one called rapid technology squeeze card dated 1990 crystal big chip 'c connectors outside , ribbon type 50 pin connector board 16 bit board ideas \? phil phil hunt wherever go , ! howtek , inc internet phil howtek mv com uucp decvax harvard ! mv ! howtek ! phil
rrz uni koeln de \( erwin h keeve \) subject cubes organization regional computing center , university cologne lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host rrz uni koeln de keywords polygon reduction hi , anybody know polygon reduction algorithm marching cube surfaces e g schroeder , hints , hugs kisses erwin , , , \( \) ooo \( \) ooo erwin keeve adress peter 2 w 5000 cologne 1 , germany dept phone 49 221 132 \( 192 \) fax 49 221 17 academy media arts cologne email keeve khm uni koeln de
terry prcrs prc com \( terry cunningham \) subject cnn california mc helmet law article article prcrs organization prc systems , mclean , va lines 31 wink , blink att com \( jon \( \) \) writes hey ! works could present paragraph virtually member non motorcycling public 'll buy right argument produce favor banning helmetless riding used argue favor banning motorcycles 's matter degree 's absurd ! statement must therefore say argument favor seatbelts airbags argument automobiles argument argument swimming says favor safety precautions argument banning activity precautions apply extrapolating degree ridiculous , would n't normal human activity left therefore non also , even though people ride motorcycles , boat , sail , , climb , ski , fly parachute , hang glide , glide , bungee jump , bike , skate , , , play \( ouch \) , mow lawn , basement , operate heavy machinery , host things would valid motorcycling activities ban little applies things , general public buying banning motorcycles without realizing activity would next unlikely terry cunningham terry rsi prc com donuts ! anything dod 541 dreams ca n't \? homer 2
ind25 blurt oswego edu subject jewish baseball players \? organization suny college oswego , oswego , ny lines 3 believe rusty staub also jewish ball player also , brown back early 20th century pitcher whose nickname 3 fingers brown obvious reasons 3 fingers
rgooch rp csiro au \( richard gooch \) subject motif vs athena , etc organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines 38 article kirk bu oz au , bambi kirk bu oz au \( david j hughes \) writes also concerned prevalence motif , particularly point view writing obtaining free software linux 386bsd communities grow , however , think motif lose grip , least non commercial marketplace ports motif 386bsd linux available fee 100 cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity bsd linux news groups pertaining motif high wonder also cause divergence commercial non commercial software \( ie get free software using athena openlook widget sets , get commercial software using motif widget sets \) ca n't see every workstation come motif default buy 100 free unix platforms , ca n't see causing major problems think find active linux 386bsd communities populated enthusiasts would object paying money software otherwise , would probably gone commercial unix important factor linux community source code always available \( probably similar 386bsd community , however , i'm really involved \) many people using linux like stay cutting \( bleeding \) edge ie kernel patches , c library compiler patches come , people like rebuild entire systems prime requirement linux software available gnu style public license hence , linux software uses either athena widgets xview individuals may write software requiring motif , doubt widely adopted regards , richard gooch
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 18 article 1993apr20 456 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes article world std com , world std com \( joseph h allen \) writes article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes interesting watch 700 club today pat robertson said branch dividians met end worshipping false god also said terrible tragedy fbi really blew n't necessarily agree pat robertson every one placed judgement seat eventually judged done failed earth god allows people choose want worship i'm sorry , ! ever read first commandment \? worship money one greatest religions country mean , false religion !
kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) subject phillies new ballpark future \? organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 18 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu philadelphia inquirer days ago , reported two \( 2 \) plans new phillies stadium already mentioned 30th street station proposal , location near broad street race street , think ca n't remember exact details , stadium would build practically downtown small lot could used , according paper 30th street plan run trouble , want lines order accomodate stadium n't opinion yet , letting everyone know really two options discussed right neither plans put effect soon , however , nobody wants pay \) keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! want opinion , 'll give
andrew cmu edu subject ncaa finals winner \? \? \? \? organization freshman , physics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr4 miavx1 acs muohio edu miavx1 acs writes lake state maine finals \? please post maine 5 , lssu 4 terry
organization ryerson polytechnical institute distribution na jeff ryevm ryerson ca subject sale sound blaster card hurry ! lines 9 well seems soundblaster card sale since recently purchased card comes complete , mint condition box , manuals , docs , disks original packaging make offer canadian inquiries prefered ! respond april 28 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! e mail ryevm ryerson ca j
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject mr cramer 's organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 36 article netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes article 1993apr13 sun0 urz uni heidelberg de gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg de \( gene w smith \) writes libertarians going draw clear line nambla \? statements , member organization knew supported exactly nambla supports , namely abolishing age consent 've never supported organization organizations may , paper , support abolition age consent , resemblance stops one supports removal coercive law , paper facade legitimize sexual relations children 's difference , practice \? amounts saying , 's disgusting legal , someone else saying , let 's allow parties involved decide disgusting , 're like , think coercive law , children ca n't make informed consent brian kane buast7 , astro bu edu \( hot young star \) astronomy dept , boston university , boston , 02215 true personal salvation achieved absolute faith ones true self
mwm cs cmu edu \( mark maimone \) subject read sci space without netnews summary space digest address nntp posting host gp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 36 article permanet org mark prado p2 f349 n109 z1 permanet org \( mark prado \) writes anyone knows anyone else would like get sci space , n't internet feed \( cryptic internet feed \) , would willing feed kudos mark generous offer , already exists large \( email based \) forwarding system sci space posts space digest mirrors sci space exactly , provides simple two way communication subscribe send following message body \( subject \) email message subscribe space john q public one addresses listserv uga listserv uga cc uga edu listserv listserv hut fi space request isu isunet edu 'll receive posts digest form day please use listserv , space request address handled manually post messages send message \( reasonable subject line \) space isu isunet edu questions , comments space request isu isunet edu mark maimone phone 1 \( 412 \) 268 carnegie mellon computer science email mwm cmu edu
jvannes vms macc wisc edu subject long distance ir detection organization university wisconsin academic computing center distribution na lines 26 article wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu , wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) writes btw , seen irleds outputs 6 watts honest , 6 watts n't book work ca n't recall company name 6 ai n't cheap , around 108 want power , , 's pretty hot also 4 watt , 2 watt 1 watt device line , sell small quan individuals interested , find book home get pertinent info probably referring products opto diode corp 750 mitchell road newbury park ca 805 499 make amazing irled 's really high powered devices arrays 3 , 6 , 9 , led 's 66 header 9 chip model puts 6 5 watts response 5 amp , 10 us pulse 5 duty cycle think designed ir vision systems would also interested application work dance technology program , want build something track dancers 30 foot wide stage 50 feet away
bps kodak com \( bruce p \) subject question 120vac outlet wiring organization eastman kodak lines 29 article 1993apr15 cmkrnl com jeh cmkrnl com writes article 1993apr14 172145 27458 ecsvax uncecs edu , crisp ecsvax uncecs edu \( russ crisp \) writes i'm considering modernizing old wiring home , need little advice outlet wiring several outlets old prong' type , without ground naturally , wire feeding outlets 12 2 , without ground wire noticed fusebox circuits 12 2 ground , circuits , ground wire tied bus neutral \( white \) wire supposed connected together breaker panel nowhere , repeat nowhere , else \( well , almost strange exceptions things like sub panels \) jamie hanrahan , kernel mode systems , san diego ca internet jeh cmkrnl com uucp uunet ! cmkrnl ! jeh cis 74140 , 2055 even sub panels ! place neutral connected ground service disconnect ! house main panel serves service disconnect sub garage workshop example must maintain seperate neutral ground busses service disconnect equipment steve , licensed electrician , read nec book \( brother though \) \)
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject guns backcountry \? thanks lines 67 organization university tennessee division continuing education article uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu \( paul e reimer \) writes article cronkite cisco com , pitargue cisco com \( marciano pitargue \) writes stuff deleted causes people er factoid shooting victims er count many come due automobile accidents automobile crimes maybe outlaw cars marciano pitargue cisco com lot automobile accidents , atleast regulation try combat got drivers license , take drivers safety class tennessee , least , require sort safety class get driver 's license required one twenty question quiz drive car around block without crashing licensed drive probability , n't required licensed drive public roads license necessary private property car must registered states require registration cars used public roads \( california know \) tax purposes anything else must \( least live \) liability insurance driving car \( someone else accident \) many states currently require , , , make requirement public roads car sitting unused required insurance hmm , would n't manditory saftey classes , registration owner gun , manditory liability insurance nice gun owners two , pointed significant difference making rules use public property making rules ownership half objection trust similar things tried many local across country , abused far many cases safety classes never , never funded , one two held year limited number participants registration lists new york , chicago , california used confiscation many gun owners would , theory , support planes \( although numbers overwhelmingly show competence problem , intentional misuse \) 've simply seen abused leery next person comes pike reasonable suggestion 've already seen abused david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject give 1 billion first year long moon residents \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 26 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr21 iti org aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) writes article f23 zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes spite great respect people speak , think cost estimates bit optimistic nothing else , working ssto least complex large airliner smaller experience base therefore seems ssto development cost least much typical airliner development puts 3g 5g range alan , n't forget , huge cost airliner developement faa certification joke paperwork exceeds teh weight airplane , fly sr 71 , teh x 15 highly ambitious aero space projects done narrow engineering budgets partly n't spend much paper pushing company missouri trying get funding build light commercial low cost basis , mostly reducing faa certification costs pat
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject high prolactin reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 12 article psuvm psu edu psuvm psu edu \( john e \) writes comments use drug high prolactin blood \? suppress prolactin useful cases pituitary secret much gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
welty cabot balltown cma com \( richard welty \) subject saturn 's pricing policy organization new york state institute sebastian cabot studies lines 20 article 1993apr5 581 cs brown edu cs brown edu \( hok chung tsang \) writes moreover , saturn really reduce dealer profit margin 1000 , cars even better deals say , price saturn already 1000 market average class cars , reduce dealer profit , would 2000 market average 1 \) attract even people buy saturns would save money 2 \) force competitors lower prices survive saturn 's motivation \? 're already selling every car make , multiple shifts plant given , possible motivation could lower prices \? cheers , richard richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com ``nothing good ever reported full rotation race car either pitch roll axis'' carroll smith
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject hysterical \? ! reply amolitor nmsu edu 's message 17 apr 1993 17 54 23 gmt reply pmetzger lehman com organization lehman brothers 1qpg8finn982 dns1 nmsu edu distribution na lines 80 article 1qpg8finn982 dns1 nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes article tcmayc5m2xv jex netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes worse current unsecure system \? becomes much worse , course , government uses clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption \( main concern us , think camel 's nose tent , etc \) pick mr may particular , course , n't kind domino theory \? john pointed repeatedly , produce infrastructure would permit police state function , required suddenly find living one change attitude part government constitution built men risk lives ensure freedom country designed system make difficult tyranny arise instance , one reasons fourth amendment put make harder government try make smuggling crime think jest \? john hancock made money smuggling rum , , , drug think government everyones keys escrow , fbi gets pet wiretap without leaving office scheme coup , happens every day around world within hours , everyone country might oppose tyrants monitored closely ever possible without tools place , tyranny cannot stand tools like place , tyrannical dictatorship could actually successfully imposed give government tools enslave \? maybe trust bill clinton , willing tell trust every government ever arise u hereafter \? willing make leap faith tim may , whose sig block may get busted new regime n't little melodramatic \? i'm political dissident , aware happens political dissidents world world , could killed beliefs call amnesty international time find happens dissidents world seperates u places thin piece national archives thats constantly eroded war drugs happened countries stable democracies hundred years governments throughout history fallen government lasted hundred years often , replaced dictatorships really believe intensely could never ever ever happen willing bet life lives children loved ones \? construct tools tyranny could enforced , make orders magnitude likely could happen , happened tools already place could actually stick naive fools leadership believe protect us hundreds gone failed thriving democracies led men far bill clinton fallen dictatorship rome thriving republic run skilled men became tyranny , one , unwilling trust could never happen hubris would allow us believe immune happened elsewhere perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality reply halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) lines 34 article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes firstly , science basis values , way round better explain objective atoms , get subjective values , go atoms objective n't even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model describes certain physical , observable properties surroundings subjective objective , though , approach scientist takes discussing model observations objective science objective approach subjectively selected scientist objective case means specified , unchanging set rules colleagues use discuss science contrast objective morality may objective approach subjectively discuss beliefs morality exists objective morality also , science deals discuss observations physical world around us method discussion objective \( science discussion \) science makes claims know even sometimes observe simply gives us way discuss surroundings meaningful , consistent way think bohr said \( paraphrase \) science say physical world jim halat
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject ram boards 486 \? \? nntp posting host monica us oracle com reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 27 hello , 486sx25 isa machine bios currently 8 megabytes ram installed via eight 1 mg simms motherboard ie banks full , space simms thinking running os2 machine possibly linux x windows , know ram would helpful however simms , solution see sell 8 megs 180 , 4 simms 400 used apart fact ca n't afford price right , entire process selling ram buying used probably means machine might number days would rather avoid question , ram boards plug free slot work well 486 isa machine seen sold used 90 4 mg space another 's boards work , \? device driver needed , bios pickup extra ram simms mother board \? know isa slots 16 bits 486 simm memory 32 bits , probably wishful thinking however help truly appreciated eric ebosco us oracle com
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject teenage acne organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 57 pchurch swell actrix gen nz \( pat churchill \) writes 14 son usual teenage spotty chin greasy nose bought clearasil face wash ointment think probably enough , along usual good diet however , get product called , used doctor 's prescription treatment available chemist 's counter asked couple pharmacists say either acne severe enough , clearasil ok odd spots teenager , nothing serious father , n't figure acne going escalate something know kids appearance wary neighbour 's son wierd eventually put overdose vitamin acne treatment want help appropriate treatment son also around scalp sort teenage cradle cap pointers advice \? tried couple anti inclined make condition worse , better shall bury kid till 's 21 \) \) one lucky ones little acne teenager n't luck clearasil even though skin gets oily really gets miserable 's dry frequent lukewarm water face might help getting scalp thing control might help \( could simple till 's washing \) taking one day vitamin mineral might help 've heard causes trouble used fast food restaurants equipment might belief greasy foods cause acne came notice grease face , immediately removed cause acne \( even eating meat \) keeping hair , , dip , spray face help warm water bath face oil help prevent body oil , loves water chance 's hair goes limp becoming convinced best thing whitehead leave alone save days misery black cause infections , red spots usually whitehead break naturally day wo n't infection afterwards tell 's normal cosmetic industry makes 's money selling people idea incredible defect hidden cost \( even causing \) jackie
dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) subject gospel dating reply mangoe cs umd edu 's message 4 apr 93 10 56 03 gmt organization software engineering institute lines 33 mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes david wood writes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence seriously , high way saying n't believe 're saying making meta argument \? case , wrong think invisible pink unicorns also , existence jesus claim responding historical accuracy biblical claims , existence jesus one , one even mentioned post may want complain miracles attributed constitute claims \( wo n't argue otherwise \) , different issue wrong exactly issue go back read context included within post , 'll see mean 've done kindness responding questions , please answer charley challenges claim ! ! variety dishonest dodge feel certain fools one person dave wood
hsteve carina unm edu \( \) subject changing dpy max request size \? organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 17 nntp posting host carina unm edu article world std com oj world std com \( oliver jones \) writes article netnews upenn edu cis upenn edu \( \) writes anyone know change maximum request size server ordinarily set highest value underlying os yes , n't want change value 're running image type applications steve hsteve hydra unm edu , hsteve carina unm edu say vms ! !
bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de \( vesselin bontchev \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption reply bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de organization virus test center , university hamburg lines 19 mathew mathew mantis co uk writes bena cs monash edu au \( ben \) writes n't forget , country would n't let russians buy apple ii 's security concerns 's nothing would n't let british buy inmos systems security concerns designed damn things ! funny , plenty bulgaria , regardless embargo \) much export controls regards , vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center , university hamburg tel 49 40 54715 224 , fax 49 40 54715 226 fachbereich informatik agn pgp 2 2 public key available request vogt koelln strasse 30 , rm 107 c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de 2000 hamburg 54 , germany
wupost ! uunet ! olivea ! sgigate ! sgi ! fido ! solntze wpd sgi com ! livesey subject pompous ass livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) psuvm psu edu gap caltech edu 1993mar30 1302 bmerh85 bnr ca gap caltech edu kmr4 po cwru edu gap organization sgi nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com lines 20 article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes people keep asking questions \? rarely ever answer nope , 've answered question posed , answered multiple times fifty dollars ca n't answer question big bang theory big bang theory recipe cookies fifty dollars , please hey , n't say answers would make sense jon
howland noc2 arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject cats dogs \? \? \? ! organization nasa science internet project office lines 29 article gate pgh pa us , pgh pa us \( robert h yang \) writes hi , sorry , feeling silly rob need , matter fact reminds bring something found consistant dogs time , like bike anywhere near , chase bite kill instructor said sound bike ears silly seams , options net wisdom \? curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject many homosexuals \? organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 6 many views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) subject ten questions israel organization brown university department computer science lines 21 cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) writes 3 true israeli stocks nuclear weapons \? , could provide evidence \? yes , israel nuclear weapons however 1 \) use far restricted killing deer , lsd addicted soldiers 2 \) locked cellar factory , since lost key , one use anymore 3 \) even finds key , chief rabbis time lock bombs allow activated sabbath weeks follow victories jerusalem soccer team quick glance national league score table reveal strategic importance fact danny keren
subject looking good spice book juhan \( juhan \) organization tartu university , department chemistry nntp posting host chem ut ee x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 17 lines 17 acsu buffalo edu neil b gandler \( v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \) wrote electrical engineering student must get familiar spice using getting used would great good reference manual explains everything organized concise current guide circuit simulation analysis using spice feel information randomly placed book easy look small things need good reference book would appreciate info thanks postscript manual ic berkeley edu pub um 3f ps directory \( , 126 pages \) juhan , juhan chem ut ee tartu university , dept chemistry fax 372 \( 34 \) 2 st , ee 2400 , tartu , estonia , via stockholm voice 372 \( 34 \)
clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) subject clinton president 's radio interview pittsburgh 4 17 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 212 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary \( pittsburgh , pennsylvania \) immediate release april 17 , 1993 interview president michael kdka radio , pittsburgh pittsburgh international airport pittsburgh , pennsylvania 10 40 edt q everyone listening kdka radio , i'm mike , kdka radio news 're pittsburgh international airport president united states bill clinton 'd like welcome area kdka president thank , mike glad q lot things 'd like talk brief amount time , news breaking los angeles guess entire country kind holding breath , wondering 's going happen trial four los angeles police officers heard two officers , , koon officer powell found guilty , two officers found guilty 's situation 's building year since first trial trial verdict wonder thoughts morning see situation los angeles connection administration 're trying president well , first , think american people know trial , judgment , tribute work judgment jury , well efforts federal government developing case law officers tried complex one standards proof complicated jury decided would convict responsible officers officer film beating jury acquitted officer kicked rodney king , also plainly tried shield blows , another officer rookie one knows exactly , appears really tried justice acknowledged civil rights violated think american people take lot pride hope begin look ahead focus three things first , importance trying bring country together violate civil rights american secondly , importance renewing fight crime think 's important recognize areas los angeles many cities country , people may worried police abuse , 're even worried crime 's time renewed efforts go community policing put 100 , 000 police officers street pass brady bill would require waiting period people could buy handgun , things reduce people violence drugs last point 'd like make seems got economic cities economically distressed areas think everybody los angeles wanted job one , n't think 'd quite many problems laid ambitious program campaign try bring private investment public investment bear cities dispatched commerce secretary , ron brown , california try come strategies state , 's biggest state highest unemployment rate could applied around country want talk attorney general , new head naacp , reverend jackson , several people , 'll decide go regard los angeles cities country q let 's talk brings pittsburgh area today guess 's lot discussion capitol hill stimulus package 've locked battle gop yesterday , said earlier radio address , made moves break gridlock brings pittsburgh , particular allegheny county , particular pennsylvania , battle \? president well , two reasons first , pittsburgh , allegheny county pennsylvania supported last election wanted new direction economic policy passed overall economic plan gives country different budget next five years 've previous 12 reduced deficit , time , increased investment jobs education health care , things make us stronger country addition , asked congress short run spend little money , modest amount money create another half million jobs next year half try cut unemployment rate half percent also try spark job creation private sector plan passed house support majority senate present time , republican senators bloc bill , wo n't let come vote believe senator specter would like vote bill believe senator dole , republican leader , put lot pressure lot republicans stay 're saying bill increases deficit n't bill well spending targets congress approved , including republicans , year bill paid budget cuts next five years bill designed give jump start economy must say , lot republican senators holding , mr bush president , voted billions dollars emergency spending kind much totally unrelated creating jobs i'm trying break 've held olive branch , 've offered compromise think ought try put americans work right show 're changing direction country 's purpose bill q touch senator specter office lately \? president well , 've trying talk regularly white house congressional liaison operation senators think open senator specter , senator new york , senator vermont , senator oregon , five six others believe know need jobs economy know paying budget cuts life budget presented know , lot appeal say , well , 've got big deficit , n't increase truth paying budget cuts whole life budget next years importantly , program well spending targets congress already approved year 've done years , republicans voting many republicans voting things n't nearly important putting american people back work hope n't become political issue ought people country need jobs q questions people supported , people skeptical administration hopes , also fears lot people supported voted pennsylvania think saying , 're glad got white house , look incredible process go look problems look gridlock 're beginning wonder , going work pull \? , course , skeptics saying , well , knew going like president well , would 'd ask people , first , remember , frankly , moving fast budget resolution congress passed fastest ever passed budget resolution ever history , setting next five year budget targets moving really rapidly 've got working political reform , welfare reform , health care reform , whole wide range things 's big operation ca n't expect turn around overnight took 12 years produce conditions led victory received people november , ca n't turn around 90 days think 're making real , real progress would urge people get discouraged 're going win every battle , everything going happen overnight definitely moving changing things q thank much president united states , bill clinton , live pittsburgh international airport i'm mike , kdka news end10 31 edt
mb4008 \( morgan j bullard \) subject power supply organization university illinois urbana lines 47 alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) writes article hp col col hp com cab col hp com \( chris best \) writes i'm expert ups 's , said something made sound like n't realize something typical ups \( well , , anyway \) , switchover ac dc protected equipment always running batteries \( via inverter \) , usual condition also charge power fails , big deal computers never see \( batteries start , 's something like 60 car sized batteries cabinet , takes \) gonna run guts straight dc instead inverter , time \? 'd switchover screw things , sense failure fast keep dc charge power , 'll zero time need actually , 's bit complicated sounds , ups takes ac , dc charge batteries , takes battery dc ac , feeding equipment approach easiest cleanest way switchover mains battery power kicks since , mentioned , nothing know happened line another way ups scheme use mains lose power , kick battery backup 's inverter replace lost power problem switchover time 've got ac time flat 's standby unit ups , otherwise would many standby units labled ups 's though morgan bullard mb4008 cen uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu unfortunately , everything built around assumption ac available , ups guys provide ac output usable ya sorta make work already similar story telephone system first invented back 1800 's 're still using damn system \( media \) back phone back , assure 'll work today 's phone system costs much overhaul everyone new system , make work
c558172 mizzou1 missouri edu subject america 's team \? organization university missouri x posted mizzou1 missouri edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 23 article kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes well , officially 's braves least started winning still , officially \? , \? receive label \? , without doubt , america 's team cubs \? orin bradley u i'm really jester disguise ! sorry , saw survey somewhere showed america 's favorite team damn yankees much underdogs loved trivia cardinals taken 3 5 series yanks losing record \( spring training games counted \) shannon
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject guy bad mouthed ulf nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 14 patrick walker f1hh unb ca writes ever tried like yzerman , 'd would deal probert would n't \? realize many crossing faces wrote \? \( gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
tod cco caltech edu \( tod edward kurt \) subject data pods \( \) hp logic analyzer \( \) \? ! \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 11 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu keywords logic analyzer hp anyone netland spare data pod two old hewlett packard logic analyzer \? , 'd like buy pod 's part number side note , anyone know good surplus dealer organization would carry logic pods \? thanks byte , tod tod cco caltech edu
subject travesty joe louis caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 17 \( detroit , april 19 \) development shocked knowledgable observers , detroit redwings scored less six goals best goaltender world en route 6 3 win best team nhl , toronto maple leafs leafs could faulted , completely dominated inferior detroit squad clearly deserved win biased officiating andy van hellemond idiots insisted upon throwing octopus ice every obvious attempt superior visiting side prevented massacre wings league 's best team alan p sweet , roger sweet look forward next wednesday night trust ,
jon atlas mitre org \( j e shum \) subject change name \? \? originator jon atlas nntp posting host atlas mitre org organization mitre corp mclean va lines 33 article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio , thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes 1 make new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid talk politics guns they'r take away 2 move postings waco burn \( guess \) 3 stop posting newsgroup glad 're trying save us evil goverment , would mail regular mail let 's say 1000 people \? \? \? \? signature 's merely computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio group called talk thomas parsli approves \? clinton administration e mail addresses campaign92 org \( mcimail \) provided public service 75300 3115 compuserve com \( compuserve \) jon edward shum \( jon mitre org \) clintonpz aol com \( america online \) clinton administration e mail addresses campaign92 org \( mcimail \) provided public service 75300 3115 compuserve com \( compuserve \) jon edward shum \( jon mitre org \) clintonpz aol com \( america online \)
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject buy pentium motherboard \? lines 13 organization dakota state university lines 13 anybody bought pentium motherboard \? buy , please send e mail thank advance pentium processors motherboards available general public yet intel released companies gateway dell testing , etc 'll mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
jfare 53iss6 waterloo ncr com \( jim fare \) subject oily skin problem \? reply jfare 53iss6 waterloo ncr com \( jim fare \) distribution world organization imaging systems division , ncr corp , waterloo , ont , canada lines 15 article 1993apr5 1 vaxc stevens tech edu vaxc stevens tech edu writes oily skin problem wash face , becomes oily half hour especially nose region illness \? prevent occuring short time \? better job cleaning , face wo n't become oily short time n't think 's problem face quite oily moderate acne problem many years found vigorously scrub face nail brush soap \( irish spring \) twice day acne problem still leave pretty health nose print mirror 45 min \( n't ask \) acne real problem anymore j f
seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) subject accepting jeesus heart organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 38 dan johnson asked evidence effective abuse recovery programs involve meeting people 's spiritual needs responded 12 step programs \( like alcoholics anonymous \) , one steps involves higher power aa 12 step abuse recovery programs acknowledged among effective dan johnson clarified asking please show effective substance recovery programs involve peoples' spiritual needs , rather merely attempting fill peoples' spiritual needs percieved people , , r c regulars , snoopy asking provide objective proof existence god never claimed able fact believe possible consider existence god premise assumption underlies philosophy life comes matter faith n't christian , would agnostic , sufficient subjective evidence justify sustain relationship god matter premises assumptions assume life , universe everything materialism ie spirituality exists assumption answers question apparent spiritual needs find assumption consistent subsequent ions find god fills spiritual needs cannot objectively prove difference apparent filling imagined spiritual needs real filling real spiritual needs prove another person spiritual needs seanna watson bell northern research , pray end living , \( seanna bnr ca \) ottawa , ontario , canada philosophies creeds , god find people busy opinion , opinions \? oh opinions planting trees sowing seeds , 're bnr 's , 're mine knew 'd left somewhere fred kaan
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject ggrrrrrr ! ! cages double parking motorc nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 27 article d0i sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes article 34211 castle ed ac uk , wbg festival ed ac uk \( w geake \) writes ultra sticky labels printed favourite curse good even local hospitals use instead wheel clamps , putting one \( a5 size \) window cage apartment complex used live tried , put thing driver 's window , could n't miss friend damned near wrecked way home one night , vision blocked sticker suggested manager enormous liability assuming pulling stunt claimed driver fault illegally parking first place would probably good laugh two court , found liable serious careful putting stickers windows yeah , make darn sure cover glass , driver ca n't reasonably expect able drive things car jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject vlad 's playoff picks nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 156 article vzhivov cunews vzhivov alfred carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) writes wales conference , adams division , semifinal boston vs buffalo bruins playing excellent hockey , cam neely back moog old self cake walk bruins 5 i'm hoping fuhr miracle , agree boston likely win series goaltending equal , top offensive players equal \( mogilny lafontaine vs oates juneau \) , buffalo answer neely \( imply neely top offensive player btw , fact 's one even though 's damn bruin \) \) rest matchup wrt lineup boston anyway think go six quebec vs montreal one tough call montreal certainly experience factor , quebec talented imho 'll come goalies 'll go experience roy canadiens 7 agreed montreal pushed limit , everything montreal playoffs come roy \? go habs ! ! final boston vs montreal bruin domination continue rivalry \? yes moog consistently roy playoffs \( 1986 \) stuff bruins five ca n't predict montreal victory 've watching play 6 weeks imo severly need tougher players , especially play garden last time beat b 's 5 2 boston clear territorial advantage victory roy 's time , ca n't bring predict possibility loss , 'll say putting money series \) patrick division , semifinal pittsburgh vs ny islanders say \? pens flying high talent league agreed ny n't goaltending stop onslaught , independent trouble given pittsburgh year pens five , credit ny washington vs new jersey capitals 5 agreed , think go least six jersey decent team , washington done poorly division year pittsburgh vs washington caps bill ranford might see upset , beaupre n't inspire hopes penguins 6 think use tabaracci beaupre gets shelled n't think go six either maybe five conference final pittsburgh vs boston replay last year penguins good 12 months ago , bruins much improved penguins 6 pittsburgh plays boston , imo win likely five , possibly six bruins play montreal , think go seven , wo n't putting money seventh game say seven habs played pittsburgh tough season campbell conference , norris division , semifinal chicago vs st louis \( minnesota \) blackhawks 5 chicago win , think least six chicago good , imo remember take ridiculous numbers penalties detroit vs toronto leafs excellent season , 've playing playoff hockey year habs burns way always playoffs red wings 5 true leafs much proud , soon find montreal lousy playoffs toronto might win two three though wings six , maybe even seven final chicago vs detroit war fedorov win ot red wings 7 war possibly intense playoff series yes , think detroit win probert come big though smythe division semi finals vancouver vs winnipeg canucks 7 first disagreement canucks playing like shit n't use size , may explain get hammered 8 1 team chasing \( calgary \) winnipeg six calgary vs los angeles would tough call , except three things 1 kings n't goalie 2 gary roberts back 3 kings shot foot trading proven winner \( paul coffey \) proven loser \( jimmy carson \) gretzky weary carry group flames 5 also tough call , n't seen smythe enough n't think roberts well enough figure , coffey non issue , cares carson done , never underestimate gretzky la six final vancouver vs calgary flames 6 two , calgary need six games think la winnipeg anyway , la seven , home ice final detroit vs calgary red wings 7 wow , must 've tough go team let 's see , picked la detroit detroit win , probably six stanley cup final pittsburgh vs detroit three row official status pens \? wings complete dream season \? well , wings better goal \( sufficiently though imho \) better men however , mario boys sure score look jagr shine playoffs , though sure would love see probert beat sense pens much , especially since detroit tougher battle get penguins 5 pittsburgh plays detroit , go longer five , would n't bet wings strong , imo , nobody knows strong 've year forced choose , though , 'd take penguins side note vlad , last week said selanne better player gilmour way talented pure goal scorer aside age difference , way would take gilmour team i'm asking flames , either , btw 've spent enough time arguing behalf selanne still say 's great player gilmour dangerous offensively \( give teemu edge \) , gilmour know lot gilmour bashing goes , esp flame fans imo guys letting dislike gilmour cloud judgement comes skill easily one best round players nhl dchhabra stpl ists ca
ihno ka sub org \( ihno \) subject cd rom drives summary hit list sold cd rom drives without scsi interface keywords cd rom drives organization gmbh , karlsruhe lines 23 someone list cd rom 's scsi interface known much present market please mail reading group 'll post summary wanted thanks ihno ihno phone \( 49 \) 721 955 253 0 u u n n iii x x gmbh email ihno ka sub org u u nn n x x bach strasse 24 fax \( 49 \) 721 59 02 11 u u n n n x karlsruhe 21 u u n nn x x n n iii x x ihno phone \( 49 \) 721 955 253 0 u u n n iii x x gmbh email ihno ka sub org u u nn n x x
russ pmafire inel gov \( russ brown \) subject altitude adjustment organization winco lines 22 article mdavcr mda ca vida mdavcr mda ca \( vida morkunas \) writes live sea level , called upon travel high altitude cities quite frequently , business cities question 7000 9000 feet altitude one especially polluted mexico city , , la paz \? often feel faint first two three days feel , heart seems pound lot sea level also , dry cities , tend drink lot water , keep away drinks , containing caffeine alcohol thing , still symptoms ensure short trips \( , n't usually week \) comfortable possible \? something else could \? go three days early preliminary takes 3 4 days takes weeks months full could experiencing jet lag , \?
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject rockies \( rookies \) article pegasus steph organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 19 news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel brian lake \) writes 'd think expansion team would filled , guys like murphy , , b smith depends get old veterans cheap , perform higher level young talent , talent develop minors giving fans familiar names cheer veterans gone year two right maybe someone tell front office people denver \) open question important expansion clubs , expansion draft regular draft \( 've one , think \) dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
idbsu edu \( mike \) subject tires sale summary last one test lines 6 nntp posting host 132 178 16 65 organization bsu set four 235 60 big tires 1988 thunder bird bought car would give anything taken drove 2 , 000 miles 40 , 000 mile tires sporty looking low profile , take corners realy well interested please contact \( 208 \) 384 idbsu idbsu edu idaho usa
cs uh edu \( huang \) subject ask ftp address kerberos version 5 draft rfc organization computer science dept , univ houston \( main campus \) lines 1 distribution world nntp posting host rodin cs uh edu
jcav ellis uchicago edu \( johnc \) subject like apple color \? reply jcav midway uchicago edu organization royal society putting things top things lines 13 're set buy one office , use scanning color photographs optical character recognition 've played original grayscale pleased color model comparable quality \? also , brand ocr software would recommend \? 're leaning toward caere omnipage better ideas \? thanks john cavallino email jcav midway uchicago edu university chicago hospitals john cavallino bsd uchicago edu office facilities management usmail 5841 maryland ave , mc b0 f w c g k e h p chicago , il 60637
magnus acs ohio state edu \( howard p marvel \) subject opinion laserwriter select 310 \? article magnus 1993apr5 organization ohio state university lines 12 nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu wife one much chance fiddle , comparison canon engines , complains print light taste difference quite apparent even print setting select 310 adjusted possible level n't find objectionable , indeed rather like , warned people n't care considerably different recall years ago lots debates write black vs write white engines dealing tex drivers something like going \?
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 distribution na lines 21 well , seems obvious professor denning last fall key escrow trial balloon raised ! need end end encryption schemes bypass government approved system way , clipper name n't already used clipper processor intergraph \? doubt 're ones making chip , name conflict may present tim may timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject thought commercial advertising allowed organization distribution na lines 65 article voder nsc com , matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) writes article talk politics misc , margoli watson ibm com \( larry margolis \) writes would suggest legal precedent defines human \( e , person whose rights protected constitution law \) someone functioning brain , want use legal precedent , take look model penal code , many states base criminal code apologies unclear trying start statutory debate , since many \( cases conflicting \) statutes books merely suggesting paradigm might make sense pro imho cite one conflicting statutes keep making assertions , n't supported yet speaking statutes conflict definition larry posted delete code larry posted \? also , model penal code made perfect sense , perhaps , confused \? also , still looking definition one used clearly indicates fetus human likely please either pro pro choicers , pretty clear legal medical concept brain death brain death method deciding \( known \) person legally dead 's analogous concept brain birth coined may object paradigm , would make treatment human life consistent circular arguments usually consistent 3 \) parent right choose take responsibility child , laws penalties child \? last question irrelevant something non sequitur establish relevance even sense \? point unborn child human , parents clearly responsibilities toward parents toward children parent forced supply bodily resources toward children , even necessary save child 's life confusion action inaction parent run front bus save child 's life either , parent required feed children , desire consistency disappears suit needs principle protecting life abandoned based action versus inaction much principle suddenly recognize claim bodily resources dependent circumstances principle life 's principle , matt dean kaflowitz
uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) subject tapped , code good distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 103 article 1qpg8finn982 dns1 nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes article tcmayc5m2xv jex netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes worse current unsecure system \? becomes much worse , course , government uses clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption \( main concern us , think camel 's nose tent , etc \) pick mr may particular , course , n't kind domino theory \? one little country falls , neighbor surely follow , know , 're mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings wish could agree ask would private sector entity wish buy crypto system known least partially compromised \? \( key escrows instance \) would private sector entity wish buy crypto system properly evaluated \? \( e algorythm publically released \) answer seems obvious , would n't hardware compromised des example \( triple des better one \) suspicion prices drop dramatically non clipper systems 're trouble given clinton administration entirely stupid \( although 'd like think \) cannot believe failed realize know initiative fail , much crippled des never taken seriously way moves work coercion know little politics n't realize first step next move , makes sense otherwise next move , banning severly crippling crypto using clipper system easily justified would anyone want encryption unless trying subvert government \? 've provided secure alternative use go jail fined whatever reconcile administrations self proclaimed purpose providing law enforcement access encrypted data without making clipper system crypto available u \? simply ca n't , administration knows anyone wanted keep govt hair , drug dealing whatever , would buy still available non clipper systems n't sell clinton types short , ca n't stupid either banning non clipper crypto next answer administrations collective q potato think jumped fast \? know 's going big , 's better right face , noone buy stuff n't must know , think man , hell would jump gun \? interpretation andrew tim may , whose sig block may get busted new regime n't little melodramatic \? really wonder wit letter sent clinton white house office press secretary c presidential comment line \( fax \) \( 202 \) 456 2461 april 17 , 1993 sir madam must object strongly administrations evolving position encryption cryptography shocked clinton regimes increasing lean towards authoritarian approach regard privacy freedom government oversight day day life apparent drafted clipper chip proposal \( , incidentally , gaining big brother proposal \) either incredibly ignorant indeed anyone knowledgeable nuances cryptographic development research must understand key step development new algorithm , especially one destined standardization , full disclosure algorithm private academic sectors proper evaluation algorithm dep ends careful scrutiny sectors , scrutiny provide true public confidence security algorithm assumption new algorithm accepted based assurances experts without full disclosure plain ignorance addition , assumption algorithm technology , des , characterized key escrow lunacy seems easy step logic chain probable consumers prefer purchase equipment crippled government key escrow , matter tamper proof key escrows might cannot believe even least educated policy maker would failed realize flaws assume clipper chip proposal knew well difficulties selling crippled system private sector way proposal makes sense , chance coercion even language proposal makes painfully clear next logical step outlawing encryption devices hardware big brother chip unfortunately public large educated enough issue realize losing expect big brother proposal encounter little resistance american people efficiently duped pretty words like harmony , right encryption , voluntary phrase seems used often characterize clinton administration ca n't believe 's happening startling question colleague mine posed realization everyday becomes relevant reichstag fire planned \? concerned , signature shaen logan bernhardt uni acs bu edu uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys cc iastate edu df610670f2467b99 97de2b5c3749148c sovereignty sign brutal past cryptography crime fight big brother proposal !
richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) subject ide vs scsi reply bgrubb dante nmsu edu 's message 18 apr 1993 19 30 47 gmt lines 14 organization grebyn timesharing , inc article dns1 nmsu edu bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) writes richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) writes stuff connection ide ida 8mhz clock , 16 bit width , 5mb sec ide speed come ida 8 3mb sighted ide come \? well , quick math part shows 8 bus , 16 bits wide , performing transfer every two clock cycles provide 8 3m bytes sec someone said really takes 3 clock cycles perform transfer , reduces transfer rate 5 5mb , commonly used figure isa bus speed however , believe two clock transfer possible \( 0 wait states \) richard krehbiel richk grebyn com os 2 2 0 amigados 386 comes along
jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) subject countersteering faq please post organization ontario hydro research division lines 12 article 1993apr15 adobe com cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes perhaps waterski bikes one sea doo boat turns changing angle duct behind waterski bike looks like motorcycle ski wheel handlebars connected familiar looking steering head front ski handles like motorcycle 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada
doc webrider central sun com \( steve bunis chicago \) subject route suggestions \? organization sun microsystems , inc lines 33 distribution usa reply doc webrider central sun com nntp posting host webrider central sun com wo n't able make joust summer \( job related time conflict ' \) , plan instead going rider rally knoxville 'll leaving chicago generally plan going along indiana illinois border kentucky tennessee would interested hearing suggestions roads routes areas would consider must ride way knoxville leave early 5 22 need arrive knoxville 6pm 5 25 leaves pretty good stretch time explore way way anyone else going , would like partner ride , let know 'll heading east afterward visit family , sure n't mind company ride rally depending weather et al plan thru trip rally 'll heading blue ridge parkway , jogging west va \( 77 \) run 219 , 28 petersburg , 81 point route presently undetermined pennsylvania , new york \? , back chicago \( 6 6 \) suggestions areas would great interest also many thanks ideas , enjoy , steve bunis , sun microsystems dod 93 st1100 , il ama 78 kz650 \( sure april \? \? \? \? \? \? b \)
johne iti gov sg \( dr john \) subject sphere 4 points \? organization information technology institute , national computer board , singapore lines 37 article shelley u washington edu bolson carson u washington edu \( edward bolson \) writes boy , embarassing trivial faq center radius , exactly fitting points \? know circle \( 3 points \) , immediately see straightforward way 3 checked geometry books , graphics gems , farin , still loss \? please mercy provide solution \? top head , might try given p 1 , p 2 , p 3 , p 4 find p c \( center sphere determined p 1 , , p 4 \) , dist \( p c , p \) \( radius \) p c distance four points , dist \( p c , p 1 \) dist \( p c , p 2 \) dist \( p c , p 3 \) dist \( p c , p 4 \) course , square whole thing get rid square roots \( p c , p 1 \) \( p c , p 2 \) \( p c , p 3 \) \( p c , p 4 \) plug variables distance formula , simplify , x 2 c , 2 c , z 2 c terms cancel , leaving three linearly independent equations three unknowns \( x c , c , z c \) solve using favorite method \) best , john \) dr john lord god subtle , information technology institute malicious national computer board , singapore email johne iti gov sg albert einstein
hq nasa gov \( \( 202 \) subject remote sensing data x added forwarded space digest warning parse error original version preceding line vacation venari cs cmu edu organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 137 posting someone else please respond address listed please also excuse duplication message crossposted thanks ! request ideas applications remote sensing databases via internet nasa planning expand domain users earth space science data effort use evolving infrastructure u global change research program including mission planet earth \( \) earth observing system data information system \( \) programs use internet , particularly high performance computing communications program 's nren \( national research education network \) , means providing access distribution science data images value added products provide broad access utilization remotely sensed images cooperation agencies \( especially noaa , epa , doe , , usgs , usda \) support remote sensing image data users development communities user development communities included \( limited \) part effort educators , commercial application developers \( e g , television weather \) , , publishers , agriculture specialists , transportation , forestry , state local government planners , aqua business program initiated 1994 assistance requested identify potential applications remote sensing images data would like ideas potential application areas assist development implementation plan please note request proposals seeking ideas areas \( 1 \) potential commercial use remote sensing data images \( 2 \) potential noncommercial use remote sensing data images education \( especially levels k 12 \) noncommercial areas \( 3 \) types line capabilities protocols make data accessible \( 4 \) additional points contacts ideas \( 5 \) addresses names request proposals convenience , standard format responses included feel free amend necessary either e mail fax responses us may 5 , 1993 e mail internet orion ossa hq nasa gov ascii binary attachments please fax ernie , c , nasa hq , fax 202 358 survey responses following formats may also placed ftp directory ftp pub orion nasa gov please indicate format acceptable formats word windows 2 x , macintosh word 4 x 5 x , rtf response format request ideas applications remote sensing databases via internet \( 1 \) potential commercial use remote sensing data images \( possible , identify relevant types data science products , user tools , standards \) \( 2 \) uses remote sensing data images education \( especially levels k 12 \) noncommercial areas \( possible , identify relevant types data science products , user tools , standards \) \( 3 \) types line capabilities protocols make data images accessible \( possible , identify relevant types formats , standards , user tools \) \( 4 \) additional suggested persons organizations may resources ideas applications areas please include name , organization , address telephone number \( 5 \) organizations , mailing lists \( electronic paper \) , periodicals , etc proposals sent developed please include name , organization , address telephone number \( 6 \) would benefit knowing users know nasa remote sensing data use data ties nasa investigators , high cost , lack , incompatible data formats , poor area interest coverage , inadequate spatial spectral resolution , \? \( 7 \) case questions , please send us name , address , phone number \( e mail address one \) n't wish send us information , feel free respond survey anonymously thank assistance
unix2 tcd ie \( gregory \) subject gamecards summary gamecards keywords gamecards nntp posting host unix2 tcd ie organization trinity college , dublin lines 15 , 16mhz , 2mb ram machine finding slow certain games x wing computer store day saw series gamecards claim speed machine ! wondering anyone similar machine bought one seen one gamecards whether actually work ! help would much appreciated , thanks advance , greg man lies murders part world \?
nodomain subject speedstar 24x windows enhanced mode reply nodomain \( \) lines 17 nntp posting host 7 597 hi , 486 66mhz sys based pc 8m ram problem best way configure high memory qemm 386max \? \? speedstar 24x video card use disk cache software problem running windows 3 1 enhanced mode high memory load stuff high \? note tried , recommended exclude region a000 c7ff windows insists starting standard mode suggestions \? dan
owlnet rice edu \( robert john butera \) subject book review wanted organization rice university lines 18 i'm interested anyone point towards review following book scholarly christian journal , whether conservative liberal , protestant catholic lost years jesus \( documentary evidence jesus' 17 year journey east \) , elizabeth clare prophet supposedly theory refuted past , examined thought another novel book , saw listed text class religious studies also , seem come credible sources , i'm wondering scholars reviewed \( anyone net , matter \) rob butera ece grad student sick music makes money today rice university houston , tx nietzsche , 1888
joseph n andrew cmu edu subject electric power line balls organization freshman , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 5 distribution usa nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr6 eagle lerc nasa gov know airport nearby \? may markers tell pilots small planes power lines nearby joe
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject need radiologist read ultrasound \? reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 28 wife 's ob gyn ultrasound machine office doctor could n't hear fetal heartbeat \( 13 weeks \) used ultrasound see everything ok \( \) next visit , wife asked another doctor office read ultrasounds radiologist read pictures doctor vehemently insisted qualified read ultrasound ! wife concerned saw tv show couple months back \( something like 20 20 nbc , etc \) expert fetal ultrasounds \( radiologist \) showing different could detected using ultrasound wife concerned \? take pictures radiologist second opinion \? \( , would find expert chicago \? \) n't really special medical reason concerned , radiologist able see things ob gyn ca n't , n't see n't use one thoughts \? doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject vhs movie sale organization georgia institute technology lines 14 article bigboote wpi edu martimer jaguar wpi edu \( random one \) writes dance wovies \( 12 00 \) hell \? \? \( \( sp \) \) \? \? hell \? fix typos blame others go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject shoot somebody 1993apr18 uoft02 utoledo edu lines 40 article 1993apr18 uoft02 utoledo edu , steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu \( jason 'think ! ' steiner \) says jason kratz \( u28037 uicvm uic edu \) writes say 're situation pull gun somebody give chance get away decided continue action anyway end shooting killing question \? stay wait cops collect brass \( 're using semi auto \) get \( provided course n't think seen \) \? kind laws books regarding type situation \? would likely thing happen stayed waited first offense \? would happen took someone saw caught \? idea much trouble 'd get taking like \? leaving scene auto accident bad enough ! killing someone leaving 10 times worse 's going seriously believe self defense took time collect spent \? officer , reload ! well , like someone said reply really depends area live see david veal 's reply heard exactly thing said reply fade away think n't seen \( heard police officer \) record though talking tennessee everywhere even could get away , 're still nice legal , keep law abiding status send story armed citizen column american rifleman jason jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu
bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) subject gun lovers \( gun like american express card \) organization boeing commercial airplane group lines 35 hell , glock last thing switched thing know glock lack real safety sure little thing trigger n't great safety 're getting warmer thing depressed trigger move means damned thing wo n't go trigger pulled makes \( problems , 're assuming gun functioning correctly \) safe revolver gun working correctly totally drop safe , police work consideration single documented case i'm aware police officer killed failed operate safety firearm quite documented cases criminals got hold cops gun could n't figure get safety time use gun , thus proprietary nature safety \( criminal least \) likely prevented office getting shot purpose safety make gun safe unintentional fire mean complicated slow intentional use ! thus glock safety perfectly adequate standpoint , necessarily desirable standpoint open carry easily grabbed somebody else criteria make lot sense concealed carry piece standpoint police use , better \( worse \) revolver far officer method firing ideal solution may someday sensing user firearm ca n't used anybody 's owner , wide variety safety systems helps , unless criminal happens familiar particular type firearm rick
acuson com \( \) subject sale airline ticket 48 states canada summary airline ticket 48 states keywords sale ticket airline travel organization acuson mountain view , california distribution misc lines 14 sale northwest airline fly write ticket travel within 48 states canada anywhere country 2 one way 200 \( \) 1 round trip 350 ticket restrictions , fully transferable however , travel completed buy june 4 email acuson com
jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( james r ebright \) subject 80 bit keyseach machine nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 47 article c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) writes article 1993apr21 001230 26384 lokkur dexter mi us scs lokkur dexter mi us \( steve simmons \) writes normally 'd last argue steve n't read 3 8 years solutions mean , imagine machine 1 trial nanosecond , imagine storage medium could index archive hmmmm think , really large like , need alter strategy discussed des attempt decryption several blocks , check contents n't think 's feasible keep 2 80 encryptions known plaintext block amount tape cd rom certainly 2 128 encrypted blocks \( anyone know cheap way converting every atom solar system one bit storage device \? \) n't claim crypto n't whole lot good literature subject , best people n't seem publish work \) rather doubt approach folks use brute force \( sorry implied previous post \) history things folks find clever ways limiting search bang guess real problem skipjack believe nsa would make publicly available system could n't break wanted n't charter remember des came ibm , nsa , first published , given useful life 20 years think well past point \( remember , based size nsa budget , spend lot technology decryption computer companies spend r imagine stuff real interesting friend worked \( dead \) said always enjoyed monitoring sac 's \( strategic air command \) crypto traffic \) rather suspect stuff bit complex skipjack \( military got stuff nsa like get skipjack \) btw , folks , nsa n't given keys walker spy case shows systems , kgb n't need either information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( \( 0 0 \) \) jim ebright e mail jre osu edu support privacy support encryption \( \)
wong fraser sfu ca \( sam wong \) subject mogilny must benched organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 21 dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) writes actually stuff mogilny n't surprise much 4 5 weeks ago read toronto sun quote alex went something like yep , patty 's man 's responsible team 's success i'm nobody around going post time must forgot since nobody else gee , kinda like alex 's spot team , n't \? assume sarcastic remark \? someone whose first language english , would interpret comment mean believes pat mvp team one normal players quite modest might say
scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( john scialdone \) subject cut vukota pilon ! ! ! news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 32 3 isles caps crap centre year , isles wins justification vukota pilon play isles vukota absolutely worst puck handler world ! ! could n't hit bull ass ! ! al must remember years back mick scored 3 goals one period caps 5 3 isles win astonished rest crowd wake al ! ! ! years later 's gotten worse 's cheap shot artist always ends getting stupid senseless penalties think would make good police ! ! ! pilon , ca n't carry puck center ice either makes bad pass resulting , attempts bring puck towards neutral zone skates right opposing skater ca n't stay skates forwards centers either falls penalty call somebody capital district al ! ! ! ! ! far playoffs , isles difficult figure caps two good teams talent inconsistent meet first round isles seem play level competition play well jersey tonite 'll probably another tight 1 goal game last 20 games isles wish get lead could continue pour instead settling back defensive shell letting opposition get back game al must understand ca n't team 80 83 isles maybe al got bobby nystrom \? \? clark gilles \? \? john tonelli \? \? kind young minds need bench ! ! fire al ! ! ! ! john scialdone scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov ship comes , first man takes sail
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 10 's truly unfortunate n't japanese tradition kari public officials salvage honor commit offenses humanity like perpetrated waco , texas today dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com i'm beginning look forward reaching 100 allocation taxes pay interest national debt point federal government go business lack funds
camelot bradley edu \( christopher taylor \) subject anyone official shorthanded goal totals \? nntp posting host camelot bradley edu organization bradley university distribution na lines 4 anyone shorthanded goal totals nhl players season \? 're trying finish stats need make complete
kimd ecs rpi edu \( daniel kim \) subject wanted super 8mm projector sounds keywords wanted nntp posting host ecs rpi edu lines 11 looking super 8mm projector sounds anybody one sale , email name brand , condition projector , price sale kimd rpi edu \( must sound capability \) danny kimd rpi edu
mart csri toronto edu \( mart \) subject changing oil self distribution mxmsd lines 26 bobml mxmsd msd measurex com \( bob \) writes long silly discussion deleted 're , bother removing drain plug could remove dipstick instead suck mouth spit \? suggestion n't far fetched sounds years ago another time place , used oil changes boats powered automotive engines many cases , way get sort tray oil pan boxed bottom hull various chambers side get something , 'd spill oil sure trying get back used small pump powered electric drill suck oil dipstick hole long thin hose side designed fit dipstick tube , another , thicker shorter hose outlet side put convenient container i'm sure gadgets still available marine hardware suppliers want one mart l computer systems research institute university toronto toronto , canada m5s 1a4 \( 416 \) 978
corp mot com \( \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization motorola , ccr , corp , schaumburg , il nntp posting host 137 23 47 37 lines 21 article pdxgate uucp rigel cs pdx edu \( chris \) writes \) auvm american edu \( martina cartwright \) writes \) \) \) official legal term rape crime forcing female \) submit sexual intercourse \) \) please , supply references aware states \) word female rape statutes sure others surprised \) well know thats works practice \( nice n fair , ! ! \) , \) unaware statutes applying females , \) uniformly throughout u agree mostly chris \( unfortunately , imo \) true fbi figures rape based crime report female rapes however , states \( illinois \) refuse comply sexist definition ! worms crawl worms crawl worms post net account
kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) subject flaming nazis x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 38 article 1993apr18 news cs brandeis edu deane binah cc brandeis edu writes okay , 'll bite probably leave alone , heck article 1993apr14 422 sun0 urz uni heidelberg de , gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg de \( gene w smith \) writes article brewich hou tx us popec brewich hou tx us \( pope charles \) writes name guy responsible much uniforms , props used early nazis rallies name roehm , hitler claim came swastika business n't credit actual flag design party member dentist \? believe gives credit mein kampf killed early nazi purge many associates flaming homosexuals well know also trying find actual evidence common assertion recently postings groups soc history soc culture german uncovered net experts could provide well , i'm expert , histories nazi germany assert make reference several scandals occurred long night long knives impression got homosexuality portions sa common knowledge also , book \( homosexual author whose name escapes moment \) called homosexuals history asserts roehm heines homosexuals , well others roehm 's sa circle rest deleted anybody p h help \? find night brown shirts kcochran nyx cs du edu b \( 0 4 \) c e f g k \( \) r \( \) \( \) tsakc thoughts , posts , ideas , responsibility , beer , pizza ok \? \? \?
sab gnv ifas ufl edu subject info needed 2d contour plotting lines 16 hi everyone 's spend money goes away time u florida need find pc based software contour plotting irregular boundaries , e , 2 profile soil system pond 've given surfer pond trial run interpolates contours pond creates artifacts borders soil anyone knows product , appreciate hearing enough response , 'll post summary thanks \( back lurking \) steve bloom , soil water science , u fl \( sab gnv ifas ufl edu \)
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject shaft drives wheelies reply joe rider cactus org distribution rec organization lines 9 xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu \( xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu \) writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? yes joe senner joe rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org texas splatterfest mailing list fest rider cactus org
hasan mcrcim mcgill edu subject land peace originator hasan haley mcrcim mcgill edu nntp posting host haley mcrcim mcgill edu organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines 45 article 1993apr5 unocal com , stssdxb st unocal com \( dorin baru \) writes alan stein writes talking \? rabin government clearly indicated interest territorial compromise would leave vast majority arabs judea , samaria gaza outside israeli control \( interrupting comment \) since early 1980 's , israelis said willing give adminstration rule occupied terretories palestineans palestineans refused refuse settlement denies right self determination period know pointing compromising may bad idea , israel , voices negotiations think many among palestineans also negociations opinion dorin ok donot know israeli voices negotiations however , would guess refuse giving back land right arabian palestinean voices current negotiations called peace process , peace per se , rather well founded predictions israel would give inch west bank \( probably golan heights \) back arabs 18 months negotiations madrid , washington proved predictions many jump saying blaming israelis result negotiations would say would arabs stall negotiations , loose \? arabs feel current negotiations legitimizing current status quo opening doors arab markets israeli trade oranges simply unacceptable would revoked opinion hasan
cleveland freenet edu \( gerard pinzone \) subject cd good \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 12 reply cleveland freenet edu \( gerard pinzone \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu anybody use cd \? good say \? hate waiting around cd finish loading next level wc much memory eat \? small nose , loose girls , nipples , \( \) curls ! gerard pinzone \) \( poly edu \( v \) join wehrmacht ! kill cm !
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject flame jewish home palestine organization department redundancy department lines 41 article imag fr maler vercors imag fr \( oded maler \) writes article bony1 bony com , jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes typical arabic thinking guilty something , everyone else unfortunately , nabil , jewish tribes nearly susceptible murdering still common among arabs middle east killings jewish tribes way n't like comment typical thinking could state interpretation exodus without read exodus see lot killing , painted author bible ideological religious colors history desert seen nomadic people occupying land 's think great book descendants arabs , turks mongols unify well somehow missed nabil 's comments , even though included followup number could arrived holy lands must substantially less ude harsh desert killings jewish tribes way aware killings jewish tribes desert point typical thinking arabs still today act manner describe , like nomadic people occupying land , killing plundering regularity , others somehow progressed time surprising arabs often accuse others \( \) things quite familiar civil rights violations , religious discrimination , ethnic cleansing , land theft , torture murder precisely mechanism work leads people say jewish tribes killing desert , even without support ludicrous suggestion jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
bcash crchh410 nosubdomain nodomain \( brian cash \) subject atoms real \? \( 2000 years blah blah blah \) nntp posting host crchh410 organization bnr , inc lines 15 petri mathew , discusion reality atoms interesting , would seem question anything real , since observation 100 reliable , say anything real n't think intention original question , since define word real nothing meet criteria thought brian ps shadows real objects , phenomenon interesting question would atoms objects \( classical \) phenomenon \( neo quantum \) \?
stanford edu \( h stevens \) subject proton centaur \? organization stanford lines 59 article 1993apr21 lmpsbbs comm mot com , dennisn ecs comm mot com \( dennis newkirk \) writes article 1993apr20 211638 168730 zeus calpoly edu jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) writes anyone looked possiblity proton centaur combo \? would benefits problems combo \( obvious instability \) \? centaur 3 meters dia proton 4 's good fit existing upper stage , block sets inside 4 meters dia n't know launch loads , etc since centaur survives titan launches probably worse proton \( titan srb 's probably shake things pretty good \) seems feasible except , centaur fragile thing may require integration pad available assembled transported anyone know much stress way payload centaur could support proton horizontally taken rail road track erected pad \? centaur built t4 would better bet integrate onto proton t4 centaur designed extremely harsh t4 launch also closer 4 diameter 've hit real kicker , however centaur pressure stabilized cannot hold weight without pressure tanks additionally , pressure difference two tanks must maintained 5 psi rather tight rocking rolling train pressure centaur achieves performance numerous occasions \( 88 91 \) af wanted see would take make non pressure stabilized centaur answer centaur worth launching atlas centaur require pad integration , however t4 centaur believe pad integration great extent due requirements configuration , maybe something done would also need lox lh facilities added proton pads \( unless new proton second stage actually built \) , course centaur support systems facilities , doubt imported us great cost systems may us law political problems solve addition cis mention addition lox lh facilities critical centaur tops lifts lhe facility also needed n't know proton uses fuel , since derived icbm 's would suspect use propellants n't problem cryo 's cryo sight , addition systems could big , mention real tech transfer issues involved providing centaur russia issue alone might enough kill idea h stevens stanford university email sun valley stanford edu aerospace robotics laboratory phone \( 415 \) 725 \( lab \) building \( 415 \) 722 3296 \( bullpen \) stanford , ca 94305 fax \( 415 \) 725 3377
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject fujitsu 8 hdd keywords , , fujitsu , \( organization distribution na lines 15 article 1993apr17 aber ac uk aber ac uk \( christopher john powell \) writes deletions appears use two balanced line connections , connection corresponds know one connection 30 way idc , 60 way idc sounds like smd interface , work actually count pins two , smd \( think \) , minor differences widely used prior advent scsi large drives \( drives \) minis \( mainframes \( \? \) experience \) richard dell
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject basics maintenance article cactus 1993apr6 organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx lines 30 article 1993apr5 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) writes article agate berkeley edu whistle cs berkeley edu \( hung \( hubert \) chang \) writes hi ! new car owner , would pretty much like know basics maintaining cars know following 1 oil changed every 3000 miles change oil filter , 2 check tires going high way fill tank make monthly , often know one tires slow leak tire leak fix others \? thank 4 check fluids regularly \( every month \? \) , check oil every time fill gas n't work well engine hot , accurate check oil engine cool , e gas station craig
boell hpcc01 corp hp com \( donald p boell \) subject rockies opening day cast organization hp corporate notes server lines 34 colorado rockies day cast pitchers scott \( l \) mlb totals 31 games , 6 14 , 5 08 era , 0 saves andy ashby \( r \) 18 games , 2 8 , 6 72 era , 0 saves willie blair \( r \) 67 games , 10 15 , 4 57 era , 0 saves butch henry \( l \) 28 games , 6 9 , 4 02 era , 0 saves darren holmes \( r \) 95 games , 5 9 , 4 10 era , 9 saves david \( r \) 6 games , 3 0 , 1 17 era , 0 saves jeff \( r \) 341 games , 46 30 , 3 65 era , 21 saves steve reed \( r \) 18 games , 1 0 , 2 30 era , 0 saves bruce \( l \) 223 games , 43 64 , 4 31 era , 3 saves bryn smith \( r \) 354 games , 106 90 , 3 44 era , 6 saves gary wayne \( l \) 147 games , 8 8 , 3 44 era , 3 saves rest joe \( c \) 304 games , 262 , 3 hr , 70 rbi , 10 sb danny sheaffer \( c \) 32 games , 110 , 1 hr , 5 rbi , 0 sb freddie \( ss \) 98 games , 246 , 1 hr , 20 rbi , 1 sb \( ss \) 21 games , 238 , 0 hr , 1 rbi , 0 sb andres galarraga \( 1b \) 942 games , 267 , , 472 rbi , 59 sb charlie hayes \( 3b \) 530 games , 250 , 48 hr , 219 rbi , 13 sb jim \( 3b \) 5 games , 125 , 0 hr , 0 rbi , 0 sb eric young \( 2b \) 49 games , 258 , 1 hr , 11 rbi , 6 sb dante bichette \( \) 424 games , 254 , 38 hr , 176 rbi , 40 sb daryl boston \( \) 882 games , 250 , 65 hr , 224 rbi , 97 sb clark \( \) 339 games , 237 , 28 hr , 126 rbi , 5 sb alex cole \( \) 290 games , 283 , 0 hr , 49 rbi , 83 sb gerald young \( \) 605 games , 246 , 3 hr , 109 rbi , 153 sb dale murphy \( \) 15 seasons , 266 , 398 hr , rbi
vincent cad gatech edu \( vincent fox \) subject gun like american express card organization deep thirteen , institute lines 22 distribution usa nntp posting host cae cad gatech edu 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted university cops \( state cops \) armed better chicago police seems state cops n't know originally david live live chicago see crap everyday news papers think situation tad different crap , ridiculous assertions uzis mowing cops right left \? assertions dialing 911 proper option available law abiding citizens \? factoid 56 cops killed whole country last year around 100 early '80s wow , real explosion cop killings eh \? \) everything gone planned , everything would perfect batf spokesperson cnn 3 2 93 , regarding failed raid attempt tx
peri cco caltech edu \( michal leah peri \) subject new study gay percentage organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 11 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu n't new study asked engaged homosexual intercourse within last two years whereas kinsey asked ever engaged thought engaging homosexual activity sort like difference yogurt morning allergic lactose michal impressive amounts material accreted manner
bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de \( vesselin bontchev \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption reply bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de organization virus test center , university hamburg distribution na lines 32 rlward1 afterlife ncsc mil \( robert ward \) writes since us constitutions guarantees right every american bear arms , every american entitled , matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context \? yes btw , appropriate amendments posted time ago , please posting misinterpretation refers right people organize militia , individual carry handguns , grenades , assault rifles 's ok , 's ok month ago expressed belief right means shoot neighbor much necessary ensure people 's right free got flamed lots american gun supporters thought never mind new cripple chip purely american problem , deal mess wanted share bit experience living 30 years totalitarian regime \( i'm bulgarian \) thought might useful oh well regards , vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center , university hamburg tel 49 40 54715 224 , fax 49 40 54715 226 fachbereich informatik agn pgp 2 2 public key available request vogt koelln strasse 30 , rm 107 c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de 2000 hamburg 54 , germany
gay sedd trw com \( lance gay \) subject environment space running bat files windows article 1993apr23 organization trw systems engineering development division , carson , ca lines 17 bat file run windows icon set pif file run bat file exclusive mode use entire screen first line bat file sets environment variable problem machines \( running ms dos 5 0 windows 3 1 enhanced mode \) , set command bat file fails environment space error raised amount environment space 2048 bytes using shell command config sys know nowhere near running click ms dos icon , create bunch environment dos shell problem machines , setting value environment variable bat file fails anyone seen behavior \? see place pif fail configure environment space lance j gay internet gay sedd trw com trw systems engineering development div phone 310 764 carson , ca
cbnewsm cb att com \( scott g crawford \) subject selling riding lawn mower organization distribution nj summary riding lawn mower sale lines 26 1987 riding lawn mower mower perfect condition contains following features electric start 26 inch cut double rear new battery new engine \( one year old \) inflatable tires \( gives nice ride \) seat \( gives nice ride \) moving house small area grass cut require large mower engine replaced , rebuilt , last year due faulty work done lawn mower repair shop price 600 00 phone 908 582 \( leave message \)
slc unisys com \( james warren \) subject reasonable \( criminals \? \) civie arms limits organization unisys corporation slc lines 27 article 1993apr19 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes poster claims asks anti gunners think would reasonable personal firepower ok caliber greater 32 muzzle greater 300 ft lbs combo bullet wt vel action single shot rifles single action revolvers revolvers bearing six rounds incorporating mechanism discourage roy rogers bullets non explosive variety , hps fine specs leave 32 h r magnum powerful allowable civie cartridge handgun rifle use would reasonably effective home intruders , muggers , rabid wolves , even firearm type limitations time , caliber power limit would reduce ultimate lethality hits suspect think less lethal typical assault weapon wrong compared criminals use , 9mm military ammo \( \) , military rifle \( use extremely rare \) , 223 7 military ammo \( \) , 32 h r magnum civie bullets lethal arms criminals \( military \) use among least lethal arms existance punish criminal leave law abiding citizen alone \? n't tried times , might work
mmchugh andy bgsu edu \( michael mchugh \) subject pink floyd 45 rpm singles sale keywords pink floyd rpm singles organization bowling green state university b g , oh lines 17 following 45 rpm singles sale 7 inch records picture sleeves price include postage 1 21 first record , 1 69 two , etc pink floyd learning fly \( columbia promo picture sleeve \) 5 waters , roger sunset strip \( columbia promo picture sleeve \) 10 waters , roger sunset strip \( promo \) 5 waters , roger needs information \( promo \) 10 interested , please contact michael mchugh mmchugh andy bgsu edu
medtronic com \( dale skiba \) subject bible contradictions archer nntp posting host bass pace medtronic com organization medtronic , inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 41 jenny anderson \( well sf ca us \) wrote medtronic com \( dale skiba \) entirely missed point previous posting , wrote comment shortly post , realized two things running fever 102 , probably gone directly reading alt slack posting august newsgroup ad point mr archer willingly prints blatant lies defense bible inerrancy , thus worthless expert witness okay , im game , give us listing blatant lies encyclopedia biblical difficulties archer writings would interesting short list generated , think likely mr archer , mindset always impartial made mistake \( imho also think mindset tends generate sorts mistakes \) hand , long list generated , likely mr archer intentionally uses deception hs books \( deceptive tyre \? \) , archer sitting around , rubbing hands plotting next deceive \? ok , lets see list open question assumed mr archer chronic liar , someone documented assumption based talk origins regulars documented numerous cases creationist \( duane friends \) long list archer mistakes yet given , may isolated incident dale skiba
howland reston ans net ! europa eng gtefsd com ! uunet ! mcsun ! germany eu net ! news de ! ! dbstu1 rz tu bs de ! i3150101 subject gospel dating i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 35 article mimsy umd edu mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes \( deletion \) cannot see evidence v b group would ever accept second , foundation religion anyone claims seen risen jesus \( back 40 day period \) believer , therefore discounted group since ancients anyway , one choose dismiss whole thing third much metaphysical relationship anything else even agree argued length means , n't see evidence possible cookies , charlie claims jesus seen discredited extraordinary claims n't match evidence case , one gospels cannot even agree jesus seen , zillions spook stories , one would hardly consider others even religious context evidence resurrection elaborate arguments made , looks passed post filtering thus interpret extraordinary claims claim statement speaker accept evidence matter evidence strict meaning actual evidence would probably part , says nothing claims charlie , seen invisible pink unicorns ! standards evidence benedikt
cpage two step seas upenn edu \( carter c page \) subject accepting jeesus heart organization university pennsylvania lines 34 article apr 10 05 32 36 1993 athos rutgers edu gsu0033 uxa ecn bgu edu \( eric molas \) writes firstly , atheist \( atheist drivel deleted \) seed miraculous thing , sit shelf forever knows , 's stuck ground , makes clever draws nutrients soil 's roots , gathers force sun puts forth whole lot blossoms fruit , done programmed seed know \? put sun sky \? put food dirt roots \? told bees come \? makes water fall , refresh make everything pure \? perhaps product love , perhaps happened chance yeah , sure johnny hart , b c carter c page happiness crown part wisdom , carpenter 's apprentice hold god awe law , cpage seas upenn edu seeing stricken heart pride brought , learn old adapted sophocles
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject sabbath admissions 5of5 organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 86 article apr 20 03 02 26 1993 geneva rutgers edu clh writes christian pauline \? sure , \? , using paul correct words jesus \? doubt mind sin , least case jesus deal explicitly question whether law binding gentiles anyone dissolves even one smallest commands teaches others way , known lowest kingdom skies whereas anyone keeps commands teaches , known someone great kingdom skies 19 \( \) anyone one \? assume , since jesus n't say words apply jews , apply human beings , race sex \? assume , even though jesus mention name , still jesus talking directly \? 's cite evidence way jesus dealt centurion general jewish views , dependent largely studies pauline theology , one h j , one whose author ca n't come moment authors jews also , various christian non christian jews discussed issue newsgroups mat 5 19 clear law still valid say applies gentiles say applies \? anyone one \? yes , say specific requirement worship sabbath ten commandments ceremonial detail , 're looking obligations gentiles 8 11 \( jps \) remember sabbath day keep holy six days shall labor work , seventh day sabbath lord god shall work , son daughter , male female slave , cattle , stranger within settlements six days lord made heaven earth sea , , rested seventh day therefore lord blessed sabbath day hollowed note specific requirement worship , however one would bold call verses ceremonial detail similarly circumcision n't many christians still practice circumcision \? i'm sure quite else say subject , 's unfortunate jesus n't answer question directly 's unfortunate jesus n't use name directly , maybe jesus \? somebody nobody \? however know \( 1 \) 1st cent jewish approach , \( 2 \) jesus dealt least one gentile , \( 3 \) jesus' disciples dealt issue became acute \( i'm referring acts 15 paul \) given agreement , n't see 's big problem n't see problem , perhaps none paul closes romans 14 \( \) short , pursue ends peace building n't let dietary considerations undo work god everything may clean , 's evil person eats offensive spirit better eat meat drink wine whatever else brother offended faith , keep god person luck n't condemn samples hand , person doubts something eats anyway guilty , n't acting faith , failure act faith sin far know , christians \( except specific jewish christian groups , maybe small groups \) practice circumcision religious grounds countries done supposed health reasons , 've heard argued done biblical commandment clh
leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) subject weekly reminder frequently asked questions list supersedes reminder cs unc edu organization university north carolina , chapel hill lines 36 distribution world expires 7 may 1993 17 25 40 gmt nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu notice posted weekly sci space , sci astro , sci space shuttle frequently asked questions \( faq \) list sci space sci astro posted approximately monthly also covers many questions come sci space shuttle \( shuttle launch dates , see \) faq posted long expiration date , copy may news spool directory \( look old articles sci space \) , two ways get copy without waiting next posting \( 1 \) machine internet , obtained anonymous ftp space archive ames arc nasa gov \( 128 102 18 3 \) directory pub space faq \( 2 \) otherwise , send email server ames arc nasa containing single line help archive server return directions use get index files faq directory , send email containing lines send space faq index send space faq use files guide files retrieve answer questions shuttle launch dates posted ken hollis periodically sci space shuttle copy manifest available ames archive pub space faq manifest may requested email archive server 'send space faq please get document instead posting requests information launches landings post followups article respond author
behnke fnalf fnal gov \( l behnke \) subject peltier effect heat pumps organization fermi national accelerator lab lines 66 reply behnke fnalf fnal gov nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov article snap , paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) writes look couple components catalogues came across range peltier effect heat pumps intended cooling components heard effect , put current one devices , pumps heat one side reverse current reverse effect think temperature difference give emf well anyway , struck could make nice cool hot box one , power regulator , thermostat couple heat sinks biggest device shift 60w efficiency 80 90 , ai n't bad \( although would flatten car battery half hour \) called cool hot boxes several years recall advertising recent catalog problem units sh job keeping food cold warm devices used n't seem enough punch keep want something hot , need heat put box , end hours later food thats moderately warm goes cold items unfortunately catalogue n't list anything basic specs heat pump imagine would get back emf temperature gradient across device increases , presumably power decreases back emf increases , eventually steady state current consumed \( assuming leakage \) , final temperature difference two sides could set supply voltage nothing \( although would lousy way control \) would like know 1 guesses correct \? 2 open circuit thermal resistance typical device \? \( want sure going get warm fast unplug \) 'de probably better getting good coleman \( tm \) cooler stocking blue ice blocks 3 peltier effect heat pump actually work \? looks like magic ! 4 n't use things domestic \? enough punch keep get things cold hot thanks advance , paul paul johnson \( paj gec mrc co uk \) tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 ideas others like gec marconi research 0 02 reputable idealist responsible opinions mike behnke senior tech advisor quid est aqua \? \? fermi nat accel lab equipment batavia , il computing div ! ! ! ! behnke fnalf fnal gov opinions , lab , n't like , call 1 800
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject turkish government agents usenet lie teeth ! article urartu 1993apr15 organization p center regional studies lines 63 revision history zuma uucp posted turkish government agents guise sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) lie response article 1993apr13 urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org \( orhan gunduz blown gunduz receives ultimatum either \( gives honorary position executed \( refuses responsibility claimed jcag sdpa \( may 4 , 1982 cambridge , massachusetts \( orhan gunduz , turkish honorary consul boston , would bow \( armenian terrorist ultimatum give title \( honorary consul attacked murdered cold blood \( president reagan orders avail eye \( witness gave description murderer shot \( survives falls silent one revolting triumphs \( senseless , mindless history armenian terrorism murder \( brings absolutely nothing except ego boost murderer \( within armenian terrorist , already wallowing \( self satisfaction \( \( involved murder sarik ariyak \? \( december 17 , 1980 sydney \( two nazi armenians massacre sarik ariyak bodyguard , engin \( sever jcag sdpa claim responsibility mr turkish governmental agent prove sdpa even existed 1980 1982 ! go ahead , provide us newspaper accounts assassinations show us letters sdpa ! turkish government good text references , let 's see good thay adding text verifiable newspaper accounts ! turkish government ca n't support anti armenian claims garbage ! government continues make false libelous charges recourse left made fools attempt systematic campaign denying covering turkish genocide armenians like dog barking moving bus , , jumps , , bus stops , point walks away ! posting ! turkish agents level ridiculous charges , brought answer , silent , like dog bus stops ! turkish government feels funnel state ultra nationalism existing turkey today onto usenet convince people via revisionist , myopic , incidental view place world resulting inability address armenian greek refutations write history refer terrorist , worse , claim part record took responsibility murder 2 people ! pack raging fools , blinded anti armenian fascism 's bad socialization policies republic turkey requires always find non turks de ! downfall ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troops p center regional studies armenian border , ca n't p box 382761 even explain 1915 \? cambridge , 02238 turkish mp , march 1992
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject manual shift bigots organization clearer blir lines 34 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article news rich bnr ca peon w email \( eric youngblood \) writes article vela acs oakland edu , mje pookie pass wayne edu \( michael j edelman \) writes big disadvantage automatics 10 hp consume never gets wheels respect disadvantage manual torque converter locked autos converter lock 2nd , 3rd 4th gears dont forget new 6 speed manual available drive train optimally geared get engine rare 5 speed autos real bottom line manuals automatics vastly improved think automatics advanced far manuals especially shift intelligence say smart automatic better majority drivers terms right gear right time , important torque converter losses prefer stick fun auto traffic says ca n't cake eat \? well designed shifter easily facilitate manual , clutchless shifts referring much copied mercedes jagged gate department lose number ratios available , course converter losses drive fully automatic transmission , ca n't half bad \) eliot
gregg netcom com \( gregg weber \) subject camcorder sony 8 mm forsale 350 keywords camcorder organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 10 5 years old model ccd v5 6x zoom everything works perfectly uses 8 mm tapes \( hi 8 , around 5 years ago ! \) 350 plus shipping best offer gregg weber let , open bright like sky , gregg netcom com without taking sides , clouds concepts \( 510 \) 283 kun chen pa
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject israel 's expansion ii nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 9 article 93111 225707pp3903a auvm american edu paul h pimentel pp3903a auvm american edu writes gives isreal right keep jeruseleum \? home muslim well jewish religion , among others heck , nobody ever mentions yitza k shamir forty fifty years ago terrorize westerners much way abdul nidal today seems isrealis nowhere arabs , theref ore right jerusaleum much isreal gives united states right keep washington c \?
owlnet rice edu \( tracy brian \) subject wireless transmitter receivers rs organization rice university lines 12 anyone know frequencies wireless transmitter receiver microphone systems radio shack sells operate \? 've tried everything short opening one \( actually owning one makes difficult \) looking help would greatly appreciated systems designed wireless pa systems , etc thanks , tracy
bagels east sun com \( alex nyc se \) subject ncr 1204 external floppy drive organization sun microsystems , inc lines 12 distribution world reply bagels east sun com nntp posting host lox east sun com keywords ncr 1204 external floppy disk drive hi , inherited ncr 1204 external floppy thing every port known man back question anyone know connect thing pc hardware needed \? software \? tia , alex p please respond directly alias
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject bmw moa members read ! reply joe rider cactus org distribution world organization lines 9 cdw2t dayhoff med virginia edu \( dances federal rangers \) writes i'm going buy bmw cast vote groucho thought gonna buy bmw superior power handling joe senner joe rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org texas splatterfest mailing list fest rider cactus org
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject ahl season review \( ice stuff \) organization clarkson university lines 114 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 review ice things affected ahl year st john's maple leafs problems st john 's maple leafs sophomore season plagued problems ice , leafs atlantic division title ice less happy strike public workers forced leafs newfoundland city much last half \( since mid jan \) played home games places like montreal , cornwall charlottetown playoff home games played metro center halifax , ns one got violent workers attacked bus rocked broke windows st john 's memorial stadium despite problems , toronto officials insist leafs return st john 's strike ends senators sold new senators sold peter shipman ottawa senators nhl organization canadian nhl team american ahl affiliate , made clear intend move team somewhere canadian atlantic provinces sale move yet approved ahl head office , expected pass easily general meeting may quote story jack made clear league interested stability ahl franchise accompanied nhl ownership , rather maintaining 56 year history ahl new senators currently serious negotiations charlottetown new brunswick expected move dallas helps hawks stay moncton announcing would pull affiliation moncton , winnipeg jets changed mind jets announced move said would slashing minor league roster 20 something around dozen wanted share existing ahl ihl franchise enter dallas lone stars dallas agreed supply remaining 6 8 players moncton franchise thus keeping hawks new brunswick city deal one year extended three years season ticket base increases 3000 hawks sold 1400 year saint john flames official calgary flames officially signed deal city saint john , nb saint john blue flames play 6200 exhibition center flames still apply expansion ahl expected trouble caps follow jacks maine despite rumors contrary , capitals follow baltimore skipjacks maine current farm team , baltimore skipjacks , announced would move maine become portland pirates much doubt caps would follow announced limited deal portland would supply dozen players including 2 goalies become third team announce limited farm team along moncton capital district islanders ahl game week early january , ahl started game week game , produced , believe , productions , televised across canadian maritimes northeastern us first weeks saw two games week , one canada another us since , one sunday afternoon night games covered shown sportschannel ny ne us , believe , atlantic sports network canada \( i'm sure \) sure playoff games covered utica gone \? syracuse added \? heavy rumors utica devils around next season rumors might headed city city syracuse trying lure ahl might look like next year one option another option northern division southern division adirondack red wings adirondack springfield indians springfield providence bruins providence cd islanders cdi portland pirates hershey binghamton southern division rochester hershey bears hamilton binghamton rangers utica rochester americans hamilton canucks atlantic division utica \( \? \) devils portland st john's atlantic division saint john st john's maple leafs moncton moncton hawks halifax halifax citadels fredericton cape breton oilers cape breton fredericton canadiens charlottetown saint john blue flames charlottetown senators \( move unofficial yet \) bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac contact rec sport hockey go usa hockey ! adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champ '66 '91 '93 glens falls high school , division ii ny state champs '90 '91 join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu congrats clarkson golden knights hockey 1993 ecac champions ! ! !
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 16 article 93109 byuvm bitnet isscck byuvm bitnet \( casper c knies \) writes please allow explain , governor missouri , casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities , deceive everone thinking latter day saints undergone undue persecution years believing religion , perhaps would like tell us happened mountain meadow massacres killings done blood atonement doctrine , command brigham young \?
nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) subject pens info needed organization computer science department , stanford university lines 20 article 1993apr16 jyu fi mikkot romulus math jyu fi \( mikko tarkiainen \) writes coaching news alpo suhonen \( ex jets \) jokerit \( verified \) , boris majorov \( ex jokerit \) tappara , vasili tichonov \( ex assat \) san jose sharks \( assistant coach \) , sakari lulea \( silver team elite \) wow 's probably reason current assistant coach drew hinted wo n't back thanks news , mikko \( finnish netters \) comment tichonov \? go calgary flames ! al macinnis norris ! gary roberts hart smythe ! go edmonton oilers ! go playoffs next year ! stay edmonton ! nelson lu \( claudius leland stanford edu \) rec sport hockey contact san jose sharks
mentor cc purdue edu \( cinnamon bear \) subject onkyo ch integrated amp forsale organization purdue university computing center distribution usa lines 18 onkyo integrated amplifier looking get rid 60w ch integra series works great problem asking 100 obo interested call \( 317 \) 743 2656 email address make offer ! ! ! todd \( todd purdue environmental engineering
rhorwell crab atc boeing com \( roland , crab \) subject volvo \? reply rhorwell atc boeing com organization boeing computer services lines 46 article raleigh ibm com , vnet ibm com \( mark perry \) writes hardly good reason , us cars plenty people buy \( us anyway \) think 850 quite good looking car unlike us influenced 740 ! kevinh hasler ascom ch n't think 's easy tell 850 7 9 series unless look real close really think volvo 's dogs though beacuse 1 agricultural previous volvos essentially fast , 3 , 4 8 series far design execution \( many fwd seen \? \) 2 thou advertising state like bad thing \) \( remember , car companies use ad agencies n't ads ! \) 3 part renault true \? know done joint ventures renault , n't heard renault mean french government owns volvo \? anyway , renault makes nice cars , n't sell 'em n america ! however one thing think favour immediately volvo something say japanese manufacturers ford saab also strong look like thing car makers could aim make life little varied ! ! vnet ibm com roland rhorwell atc boeing com
jartsu hut fi \( jartsu \) subject good display card 14 multisync \? nntp posting host lk hp 20 hut fi reply jartsu vipunen hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 20 hi ! wonder anyone knows recommend good nubus display card driving 14 multisync \( nec 3d \) \? nec 3d horizontal refresh 15 5 khz 38 khz vertical 50 hz 90 hz max 1024x768 interlaced , though looking something like 800x600 832x624 noninterlaced would nice find card programmed quite freely within limits capable display least 8bits pixel , preferably anything market comes even close \? thanks jartsu
adykes jpr com \( al dykes \) subject need definition spec benchmarks organization unix nyc distribution na lines 15 need definitions spec benchmarks background material would also welcome email something point anonymous ftp server 'd appreciate thanks al dykes adykes jpr com adykes ad com
organization central michigan university ryan j cmuvm csv cmich edu subject beat pittsburgh ! andrew cmu edu 1993apr15 guvax acc georgetown edu blue cis pitt edu lines 7 beat penguins \? crash team plane ryan
james jim frazier cup portal com subject mo driver compatibility \? organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 10 's understanding , format magneto optical disc , \( 1 \) formatting software installs driver disc , \( 2 \) insert disc different drive , driver loaded computer 's memory controls drive , \( 3 \) driver incompatible drive , disc mounted properly read written correct \? thanks , jim frazier compuserve com
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject russian email contacts lines 15 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks anyone russian contacts \( space \) contacts old ussr su eastern europe \? post talk ask questions think cost email high , would keep content specific topics basically want save russia , need make contacts , contacts form info , lets get informing michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked alive , alaska \( called russian america \)
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject ulf lines 29 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 richard wernick \( richard amc com \) wrote ashamed call ulf samuelson fan anybody plays way , belong nhl cheap shot artists history game , lot players bobby clarke , kenny , pie mckenzie , chris chelios etc nobody right dirty coward ulf violence hockey got players like \( women \) samuelson n't belong players like ulf , 's main purpose injure better players league allowed continue , league wo n't stop , players christian pro 1000 aluminum stick directed ugly head trick nicely bruins get chance meet pittsburgh near future , bet neely day sight watching ulf turtle like coward , worth almost much cup wimp player almost ruined career one best right wingers game remove ulf samuelson lineup , penguins would even notice 's gone 's game hockey rich thank extremely lucid well thought observation get back medication , please let us know feeling thank , tom huot huot cray com
ren ccwf cc utexas edu \( ren \) subject number chip \? organization university texas austin , austin tx lines 11 distribution usa reply ren ccwf cc utexas edu \( ren \) nntp posting host flubber cc utexas edu originator ren flubber cc utexas edu one tell prong basic chip number 20 \? realize chunk chip missing one orient correctly using hole guide , count chip find 20 \? please help ren internet ren ccwf cc utexas edu crazy mad ! ! !
tekig5 pen tek com \( steven e soar \) subject supply side revenue distribution na lines 22 article newsserver technet sg , ipser solomon technet sg \( ed ipser \) writes result clinton hopes reduce deficit level reagan left office , considering amount bush congress added , would inconsiderable achievement 're subject , also believe supply side claim reducing taxes raised revenue also false , typically factor taxes , raised considerable amount , time income taxes cut look income tax revenue alone , fell cuts began , n't recover several years , record deficits well entrenched chew awhile crunch , crunch steve soar
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject true globe , makes \? organization u toronto zoology lines 12 article bill xpresso uucp bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) writes known quite earth actually pear shaped globular spherical anyone make globe accurate actual shape , landmass configuration long lat lines etc \? n't think 're going able see differences sphere unless greatly exaggerated even equatorial bulge 1 part 300 'd never notice error globe deviations spherical shape much smaller svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) subject final solution gaza \? summary davidsson ca n't even get basic facts right nntp posting host qso colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 27 article 1483500354 igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes gaza strip , tiny area land highest population density world , cut world weeks israeli occupier decided punish whole population gaza , 700 000 people , denying right leave strip seek work israel anyone choice piece tripe without checking sources deserve believed gaza strip possess highest population density world fact , n't even close one example serve illustrate folly statement city hong kong nearly ten times population gaza strip roughly comparable land area centers numerous cities also possess comparable , far higher , population densities examples include manhattan island \( ny city \) , sao paolo , de mexico , bombay , need go \? rest mr davidsson 's message closer truth oft repeated statement sad see model decorum tranquillity become like sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee tim rice , chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder
ibp fr \( yan \) subject adobe 3 0 adobe 2 0 nntp posting host ibp fr reply ibp fr \( yan \) organization universite paris vi paris vii lines 7 wanted create postcript file win 1 , print laserwriter ii created postcript file version adobe 3 0 , laser accept adobe 2 0 resolve problem \? \? thanks ,
vbv r2d2 eeap cwru edu \( virgilio \( dean \) b velasco jr \) subject arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 72 article apr 13 00 08 35 1993 athos rutgers edu caralv caralv auto trol com \( carol alvin \) writes vbv r2d2 eeap cwru edu \( virgilio \( dean \) b velasco jr \) writes article apr 10 05 32 29 1993 athos rutgers edu caralv caralv auto trol com \( carol alvin \) writes truths also absolutes \? scripture truths \( therefore absolutes \) \? answer either questions , perhaps explain determine parts scripture truths , truths absolutes answer questions yes perhaps different definitions absolute , absolute something constant across time , culture , situations , etc true every instance possible agree definition \? think similarly , truth absolute indeed , non absolute truth contradiction terms something absolute \? always true obviously , truth always true contradiction terms yes , agree definition use term always rather deceptive , admit simple example new testament \( sorry n't bible work , ca n't provide reference \) , women instructed silent cover heads church , scripture definition , truth therefore absolute hold said scripture true however , discerning exactly jesus , paul company trying say always easy n't believe paul trying say women behave way rather , trying say circumstances time , women speaking would best avoid cover heads maintaining proper witness toward others remember number relativistic statements derived absolutes instance , absolutely right christians strive peace however , rule trying maintain world peace resorting violence occasion \( yes , opinion \) evangelicals clearly taking particular part scripture absolute truth \( plenty examples \) reconcile \? sure bible preaches absolute truths however , exactly truths sometimes matter confusion said , bible preach absolute truths sometimes fundamental principles crystal clear \( least evangelicals \) sometimes clear everyone \( e g baptism full , etc \) largely sometimes , explicitly spelled whether writers speaking particular culture christianity whole scholarship study biblical contexts comes 's difficult see claim something based interpretation absolute god revealed truths world , word utterly unavoidable , however , people come alternate interpretations practically anything misinterpreted , especially comes matters right wrong care deny \? virgilio dean velasco jr , department electrical eng'g applied physics cwru graduate student , roboticist training q wannabee bullwinkle , man 's intimidating referee ! boss well n't look like one ! jewish carpenter
phil csc liv ac uk \( phil \) subject duo dock problems organization computer science , liverpool university lines 23 nntp posting host ama csc liv ac uk anyone problems duo dock ejecting duo properly \? first got , duo would come dock couple inches ejected , pull rest way nowadays \( 've system 4 months \) , duo n't come despite fact mechanism makes appropriate noises , grab hold pull simple fix , return apple dealer , languish weeks make colour display , vram , floppy scsi etc \( btw , 's duo locked dock n't want slide \) phil , computer science dept , janet phil uk ac liv csc liverpool university , internet phil csc liv ac uk po box 147 liverpool 3bx head heels love got cramp \( uk \) 051 794
twg com \( roger walls \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization wollongong group , palo alto , ca lines 25 article viking ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes mere , gravel road loose rocks \( , like bad concrete \) , swinging beef jumped fence , came ditch , rammed ! saw jump fence went gas , since 20 feet ahead good forty side damn cow literally chased nailed damage cow , bent case guard severely annoyed rider casualties shotgun 'd still eating steak nope , cow hit i'm actively evading , forget much dog run one day riding , friend passing field goats noticed 2 road slowed pass ram made dash friend missing self barb wire fence good generally nice guys turned around goat wire pulled next \( seeing still \) , stopped bike got goat vanished \( field guess \) roger
narlochn kirk msoe edu subject general questions software hardware distribution usa organization milwaukee school engineering , milwaukee , wi usa lines 18 introduced macintosh systems questions e mail prefered 1 \) system 7 \? want hard details commercials like ads magazines 2 \) anyone used microsoft office 3 0 \? would like suggestions , descriptions microsoft actual name \) word 5 1 b \) excel 4 0 c \) power point \) mail 3 1 3 \) major differences mac wordperfect word \? thanks lot !
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 13 article murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu \( pete yadlowsky \) writes ken arromdee writes know men federal officers \? know knock search \? yes , tell think question answers question bds n't know immediately dealing feds \( uniform , insignia \) , must figured pretty short order keep fighting \? seemed awfully ready attacked without warning oh , bloody sorry old chap , n't tell \? tough luck , eh \? 's \? say 're dead yet \?
aa888 freenet carleton ca \( mark baker \) subject arrogance christians reply aa888 freenet carleton ca \( mark baker \) organization national capital freenet lines 58 previous article , dleonar andy bgsu edu \( pixie \) says words question authority mean anything \? defy theist reply well , despite mother told accepting dares , goes careful mean question authority taken literally , nonsense , say question word authority ridiculous open question , n't authority hand , perfectly reasonable question whether something authority catch phrase authenticate authority authenticated authority , must believe says , treating authority difficulty authenticating authority easy perhaps discredit claim authority showing logical inconsistency teaches , showing obey rules discourse fact cannot discredit something , , \( fact convince discredited something necessarilly mean false \) cannot authority independantly verifying teachings , independantly verify teachings , n't need authority need authority information need cannot get thus , authenticate authority , must means examining teachings practical matters accept kinds authorities n't time fundamental knowledge every scientist today assumes , authority community , sorts knowledge necessary work time verify spiritual matters , accept authority direct source select authorities based various criteria \( catholic , part , historical claims rc church seem strongest \) without authorities would subject matter belief , unless simply made something \( many \) atheist position seems authorities reasonable assertion , leads practical difficulty reject authority hand , reject possibility every receiving information thus atheist position never possibly change non falsifiable therefore demand rational proof god 's existence , deny god 's existence , since neither science , reason , , nature , prove anything mark baker task cut jungles , aa888 freenet carleton ca irrigate deserts c lewis
whaley sigma kpc com \( ken whaley \) subject xcopyplane question reply nancie neko css gov 's message 14 apr 1993 15 19 05 0400 organization kubota pacific computer inc lines 88 trying use xcopyplane copy single plane depth 8 pixmap depth 1 pixmap everytime try , see absolutely nothing displayed know data depth 8 pixmap becuase checked xcopyarea screen successful getting xcopyplane work use two pixmaps depth 8 problem trying \? \? could someone please scan code segment let know going wrong created xmdrawingarea widget called canvas w id xtwindow \( canvas \) display xtdisplay \( canvas \) screen defaultscreen \( display \) \( display , rootwindow \( display , screen \) , w width , w height , \( display , screen \) \) pixmap1 \( display , rootwindow \( display , screen \) , w width , w height , 1 \) w xcreategc \( display , w id , 0 , null \) w xcreategc \( display , pixmap1 , 0 , null \) code read xwd image omitted set foreground background colors w something 0 1 \? whitepixel blackpixel macros server may return values suitable depth 1 copy one plane depth 1 pixmap xcopyplane \( display , , pixmap1 , w , 0 , 0 , w width , w height , 0 , 0 , 16 \) sure fifth plane data n't \? could different pixel values image , fifth plane \( 16 \) might value \? using depth 1 pixmap , copy screen values foreground fg color values clip x origin 0 values clip origin 0 values clip mask pixmap1 mask xchangegc \( display , w , mask , values \) xfillrectangle \( display , w id , w , 0 , 0 , w width , w height \) want see plane data want better performance , n't use , use pixmap1 stipple rectangle fill many servers stupid handling complex clip lists , turn bitmap clip region hundreds hundreds little clipping rectangles , clips every drawing primitive every one little triangles actually , must also ask faq 's 1 popular reason graphics n't show wait expose event drawing rectangle \? info x11r5 patchlevel 10 motif 1 2 1 sun sparc2 running sunos 4 1 1 thanks advance ! nancie p marin net nancie neko css gov inc mail 445 ct melbourne , fl \( 407 \) 254 fax \( 407 \) 254 kenneth whaley \( 408 \) 748 6347 kubota pacific computer , inc email whaley kpc com 2630 walsh avenue santa clara , ca 95051
jburnside mit edu \( jamie w burnside \) subject got bike ! \( wanted advice cb900c purchase \) keywords cb900c , purchase , advice reply jburnside mit edu \( jamie w burnside \) organization mit lincoln laboratory lines 31 thanks gave advice cb900 custom recommended , bike compression tested compression little low , even across four cylinders \( 5 psi \) said tested little cold , would explain low numbers \( around 90 \) sound right \? otherwise , bike looked great signs road rash , rust bike looks great ! shop getting tuned new tires metzler me33 tires \( thanks posted thread \) bike big compared bikes \( sure alot harder load trailer \) road legal tomorrow ignoring concerns transmission taking chances reletively new reader , quite impressed usefull info available newsgroup would ask get dod number , 'll probably busy riding \) jamie w burnside \( \) \( \) \( jburnside mit edu \) c \) ,
arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) subject aclu \( waco shootout \) organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 22 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article 1993mar31 news cs indiana edu paul hager hagerp cs indiana edu writes old post mine came collection posts aclu 's position gun control , would like note position evolving , i'm still sure answer question , 2nd allow nuclear device \? second amendment prohibit , probably argued way operate one without severely impacting safety rights others , might permitted basis existence weapon \( also true chemical weapons , slightly different reasons \) poses threat living critters say neutron radiation flux due radioactive decay , boys girls \? aaron arc cco caltech edu
subject canadian silver dollar stanley cup hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) organization ub nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu lines 19 hi according always questionable newspaper , 's silver dollar minted canada , back anniversary stanley cup , know full well coins used every day canada easily fish pocket change right , fact question , since loon dollar coin know legal tender , commemorative coin monetary exchange value , \? sort thing hockey buffs coin collectors might , chance circulated \? coin , 's current cost 's potential value \? curious one knows , 'll take soc culture canada rec collecting \( whatever \) thanks valerie hammerl days remind 's hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu lemieux , top scorer devils , v085pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu known taking dumb penalties
emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sun lines 63 nntp posting host hernes sun article 1qjahh mrs horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article pww spac at1 59 rice edu pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) writes article 1qie61 fkt horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) wrote objective morality morality built objective values objective values come \? measure \? mediated interaction real world , \? scalar field \? science \( real world \) basis values , way round , would wish thing objective value , science objectively said useful kick head simple theories accurate predictions could objectively said useful set tarot cards like conclusions \? n't think changing meaning values perhaps time take look word value n 1 fair equivalent return something , goods service 2 monetary material worth 3 worth measured usefulness importance merit 4 principle , standard , quality considered inherently worthwhile desirable 5 precise meaning , word 6 assigned calculated numerical quantity 7 mus relative tone rest 8 relative darkness color 9 distinctive quality speech speech sound context moral system , definition four seems fit best terms scientific usage , definitions six eight might apply note definitions mean thing mind , say science basis values bit reach science basis observable fact even word value denote observable fact , rather standard measurement would conclude science basis values , statement fails fact , one concludes scientific set measurements \( values \) based systems derived observation , must follow scientific context , thing thing objective values back present nothing moral system anyhow word values used contexts mean relationship two contexts one argue objective values \( moral sense \) one must first start demonstrating morality objective considering meaning word objective doubt ever happen , back original question objective morality \? provide objective foundation morality good beginning frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon eric
mentorg com \( darcy \) subject keyboard mapping window placement questions nntp posting host mentorg com organization mentor keywords lines 27 two common subjects hope someone deal specific questions 1 application depends modifiers , best lookup method \? choices call \( \) key press modifier , make call init app store modifiers lookup table would like second way , ca n't seem get notify user uses xmodmap remap modifiers know app calls \( \) event generated \( non \) pick modify internal table , n't seem get notify events user uses xmodmap use xt , o'reilly say ' automatically handled xt ' use xlib , ala xnextevent \( \) , get nothing stems problems users sun 4 5 keyboard numlock plus various alt meta etc modifier requirements 2 would like place popup immediate right main window want coord , right left sides touching need ask x , coord window manager 's border main window ring bell anyone called \( \) , immediately checking x , move seeing right , next callback asking x , seeing offset wm border help would appreciated darcy darcy mentorg com
gibson nukta geop ubc ca \( brad gibson \) subject plus minus stat organization dept astronomy univ british columbia lines 48 nntp posting host nukta astro ubc ca article 1993apr16 sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes article blue cis pitt edu , jrmst8 pitt edu \( joseph r mcdonald \) writes jagr higher , francis points take informed observer , ronnie francis much better season jaromir jagr take anything away jaro , decent year \( although n't live expectations \) bowman tended francis times bowman style player plays hard times , n't disregard defensive responsibilities good leader bowman rewarded increasing ice time jagr arrogant juvenile display first attitude rubbed bowman wrong way caused lose ice time throughout year , francis consistently recieved ice time jagr never seen stats subject , pretty sure jagr points per minute played francis add jagr 's better rating , think becomes evident jagr better season francis bad one actually , think become evident , determined flaunt ignorance cost jagr better season francis suggest otherwise insult modicum hockey knowledge save almost devotion almighty plus minus misleading hockey stat available nhl publishes useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game measure quality \( e , player put key situations like protecting lead late game matched team 's top one two lines short handed , etc \) , would much rather see disappear altogether instead dubious merits trumpeted little understanding implications brad brad k gibson internet gibson geop ubc ca dept geophysics astronomy 129 main mall phone \( 604 \) 822 university british columbia fax \( 604 \) 822 vancouver , british columbia , canada v6t 1z4
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject help object appears thrice ! summary editing win ini embedding , leaving 1 entry organization george washington university lines 40 hey got equation editor , since n't appear object dialog box \( e insert object equation \) , decided manually place went win ini \( another way \? \) , embedding section , added equation equation , equation , path filename , picture n't work quit windows , go back aha mistake correct looks fine start windows n't work play , one point two entries see one works n't , finally get work thing see 's different 's first item list , used last end three equation , working \( one entry win ini \) know 's wrong \? rather , correct \? \( e make equation appear \? \) also , entries embedding appear 's obvious path filename executable , whatever , picture something way appears \( picture description \? \) others \? e , sound , sound , 's difference 1st sound 2nd \? \? \? \( n't think 's name executable , entries \( e g \) n't \) thanks , mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) subject need polygon splitting algo organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host caspian usc edu keywords polygons , splitting , clipping article wampyr cc uow edu au , g9134255 wampyr cc uow edu au \( coronado emmanuel abad \) writes idea clip one polygon using another polygon \( necessarily rectangular \) window problem finding new vertices resulting first one simply matter extending usual algorithm whereby edges one polygon checked another polygon \? \? \? simpler way \? \? comments welcome noel depends kind polygons convex simple , concave trouble , concave loop \( \) inside big trouble cause , use box test avoid checking edges according experience , simple way go headache stuff deal special cases , example , overlapped lines yeh usc
sprattli azores crd ge com \( rod sprattling \) subject self insured \( liability insurance required \? \) nntp posting host azores crd ge com reply sprattli azores crd ge com \( rod sprattling \) organization ge corp r center , schenectady ny lines 27 article viking ponderous cc iastate edu , viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes get annoyed insurance hence , i'm self insured liability play game silly 've better game play everybody still financially secure 's involved getting bonded \? anyone know 's option recognized dmv \? rod roderick sprattling job great , time small sprattli azores crd ge com feet fire back wall
celsiustech se \( kent \) subject us drive left \? organization celsiustech ab lines 44 article 1993apr6 cactus org boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes deleted lines well sweden australia , lord knows wherever else used drive still drive wrong side road believe sweden changed 1968 way heard swapped traffic signs around one sunday live sweden remember day perfectly well changed side 1967 09 03 \( 03 sep 1967 \) n't remeber exactly time night \( cities like stockholm gothenburg forbidden , busses taxis , whole weekend \) day sunday everything prepared day told follow yellow lines road white one matters signs arrows prepared label torn night reveal new right mode arrow year iceland also changed cars h day \( h swedish stands 'right' \) practically cars already steering wheels left side even imported cars uk wheel 'the right last cars wheels right side \) uses left side japan \( think \) new south africa \? btw left side right side knights meet left fight \) deleted lines kent celsiustech systems ! thinking great 175 88 sweden ! oliver try celsiustech se ! company sold former name
subject cbs ny times poll health care alternatives jwh citi umich edu \( jim howe \) reply jwh citi umich edu organization project , university michigan nntp posting host citi umich edu lines 31 article 1993apr6 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes thought others net might interested selection findings new york times cbs news poll national health care 'll leave doug fierro enter entire article chooses follows selection findings \( paraphrased without permission errors mine , times ny times n't make mistakes \) poll results deleted economic political ignorance americans truly scary price controls government intervention surest route disaster 's amazing , people never seem learn history \( common sense \) price controls , cannot work would thought last experiment 70 's would enough belief price controls actually work government intervention , people never seem get irony saying told biggest portion budget must presented horror stories waste fraud almost government agencies shown stories miserable treatment veterans get government run hospitals seeing stories social security n't going cut future \( come surprise \) yet , people choose ignore believe fairy tale government coming rescue simply amazing james w howe internet jwh citi umich edu university michigan uucp uunet ! ! citi umich edu ! jwh ann arbor , mi
horton sps mot com \( david horton \) subject centris 610 video problem i'm also ! nntp posting host 223 10 249 26 organization motorola inc oakhill austin texas lines 27 article usenet ins cwru edu bm967 cleveland freenet edu \( david kantrowitz \) writes push media mit edu \( pushpinder singh \) subject centris 610 video problem i'm also ! date sat , 17 apr 1993 03 17 45 gmt computer set 256 colors certain operations done , particularly vertical scrolling window , horizontal white lines appear monitor \( generally always spare open windows \) lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved away line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured 16 colors 14 inch apple monitor 256 colors used suspect bad video ram chip cannot certain problem apparent since day 1 gotten worse etc anyone problems given configurations \? \( would help eliminate design flaw explanation \) data point , i'm using centris 610 4 80 apple 16 monitor problems
kevinh hslrswi hasler ascom ch \( kevinh \) subject happy easter ! originator kevinh nath reply kevinh hasler ascom ch organization ascom hasler ag lines 21 article 1993apr19 i88 isc com , jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) writes article tekgen bv tek com davet interceptor cds tek com \( dave tharp cds \) writes article 1993apr15 i88 isc com jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) writes rolls royce owned non british firm \? ye gods , would end civilization know \? ford owns aston martin jaguar , general motors owns lotus vauxhall rover owned 20 honda yes , 's minor blasphemy u companies would likes , jaguar , \( sob \) lotus 's outright sacrilege rr non british ownership 's fundamental thing think legal clause rr name , regardless owns must british company owner e ba sell company name kevinh hasler ascom ch
mlipsie std com \( mike lipsie mpu \) subject permanent swap file organization mitsubishi electric research laboratories , inc lines 26 article usenet ins cwru edu ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) writes first setup windows using self load mode grabbed 20 megs swap file space , 120 meg hd nearly empty time deleted windows time recently reloaded , hd nearly full windows took 4 megs one rules permanent swap file must contiguous \( non fragmented \) space suspect responsible difference amount free disk , case read somewhere best rule thumb permanent swap file size regular ram size 4 megs ram windows took 4 meg perm swap file works well fact available hd space , 20 megs wo n't let make swap file bigger change virtual mem swap file 8 megs think said ram depends running increase swap file \( think 20mb \) applications could n't run without everything else closed mike lipsie \( work \) mlipsie ca com mitsubishi electronic research laboratory \( home \) mikel uucp
hathaway stsci edu subject vandalizing sky distribution na organization space telescope science institute lines 101 newsgroups sci astro , sci space subject vandalizing sky \( excerpts posting topic \) article c5t05k db6 research canon oz au enzo research canon oz au \( enzo liguori \) writes , space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard low earth orbit real purpose project help environment ! platform carry ozone monitors ca n't believe mile long billboard would significant effect overall sky brightness venus visible day , nobody complains besides , 's leo , would visible twilight sky already bright , even would miniscule impact , would short time goes across sky \( 've seen satellites midnight 're twilight \) \) book prodigal genius life tesla john j o'neill remarkable conductivity gases , including air , low pressures , led tesla suggest , published statement 1914 , system lighting terrestrial scale proposed treat whole earth , surrounding atmosphere , single lamp whole earth would transformed giant lamp , night sky completely illuminated making night bright day comments 'd like add protests come strictly practical consideration pollution levels acceptable research activities professional astronomers would complain rooted aesthetics many readers may never known time heavens pristine sacred actions humans space stars profoundly black abyss full horizons pure sky one could look upon half creation time none connection petty matters man lights supplied solely nature men whole religions based mortal man somehow getting becoming immortal stars , whether belief afterlife space age changed effect first echo , etc view could happen see light crossing night sky know put us puny people still impressive sense size one gets scales involved also awesome even hundreds thousands miles involved still rest universe still hunger pure beauty virgin sky yes , know aircraft almost always sight live populated area \( 6 miles international airport currently \) light pollution ground ghastly impact humans extreme virtually place exists shaped , , modified , trashed whipped shape hands man places life forms larger bacteria humans , cockroaches , \( rats \) visited friends mountains one weekend , getting away \( paved roads , plumbing , malls , \) felt good quickly noticed hollow directly main flight path 60 80 miles east \( n't help matters much either \) 've heard artic wilderness gets lots high air traffic know skies rarely perfect still desire see place man n't fouled way \( mean 've trying forever like , concerning tesla 's idea banish night , wow ! \) n't watch commercial television , imagine disgusting beer , truck , ointment advertisements would seen high gotta make buck \( displaying products heaven \) , least consider reactions sky last beautiful refuge modern life open though , listing passage hst evening sky weekend tonight friday 8 25 p edt reach altitude 20 1 degrees local meridian baltimore vicinity 'll trying see suppose could called elitist supporting intrusion night sky complaining billboards proposed others may , think point desire beauty valid , even ca n't ever perfectly achieved regards , wm hathaway baltimore md
kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) subject picks first \? organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 9 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu ottawa picks first , fewer wins season , first tiebreaker keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! want opinion , 'll give
daimi aau dk \( \) subject x window pc organization daimi computer science department , aarhus university , denmark lines 7 x window package exists , runs om pc , dos \( maybe ms windows \) would happy hear thanx advance sorensen
mrr scss3 cl msu edu \( mark riordan \) subject dos 6 0 compression api partial answer organization michigan state university lines 21 nntp posting host scss3 cl msu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 looking information ms dos 6 0 's file system compression api today called microsoft 's dos 6 0 hotline \( 800 \) 228 told dos 6 0 resource kit specifications compression interface resource kit costs 19 95 , plus tax 5 shipping ordered copy post get know posting order turnaround 15 working days anyone knows sure 's 's good source info api , please speak slightly skeptical resource kit 's likelihood detailed programming info mark r mrr ripem msu edu \( posted also sci crypt , since api could presumably also used file system encryption \)
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject escrow database organization partnership america free drug lines 77 disturbing thought , longer live days big filing live electronic age asked , big could escrow database get \? hard might steal whole thing , particularly nsa official operating tacit permission escrow houses \? \( pretend happen , thats naive \) well , lets see ten bytes escrow half lets ten bytes serial number fact , believe serial number smaller , order magnitude calculation assume 250 10 6 population , person key get five gigabytes two escrow databases fits conveniently single valuable exabyte tape get easier time , cares already hold clipper keys country pocket two 8mm tapes , think safeguards wo n't put whole database one disk , prehaps maybe throw stumbling blocks way changes nothing keys needed every day hundreds thousands law enforcement types , convenience dictate system permit quick electronic retrieval point , without agencies , exabyte tapes going get cut dorothy denning david sternlight doubtless claim ca n't happen know ca n't prayer , word instance realism two exabyte tapes pocket , would hold keys every person 's conversations country hands yeah , need master key two thats ten bytes information stored awful lot places come think , even nsa getting copy database n't threat unlike political views , consider foreign intelligence services know , ones david sternlight wants protect us evil industrial espionage french apparently big spying operation friendly countries get industrial secrets , n't completely irrational \( although companies could n't use cryptosystems without back doors left unexplained point threat \) presumably , foreign intelligence services get nsa agencies proof example happened many times presumably , someday get hands fraction keys ca n't avoid sort thing n't pretend one unauthorized ever get hands escrow databases crypto types taught something important beginning intro cryptography security must depend easily changed key pick run system , secret escrow databases n't sorts secrets teachers told us , sort big secrets would lump category imagine trying replace 100 million clipper chips cannot believe nsa whomever thats n't realize already smart many made bones real world suspect know precisely giving us appearance safety continue spite growth strong cryptography suspect realize ca n't put things forever , try delay things long possible knows maybe even higher ups , inevitable bureaucratic types rise organization , really believe scheme might give people security , even subordinates fort meade hands foolishness perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
encore com \( drew watson \) subject ethics vs freedom organization encore computer corporation lines 70 parent need help , ask bear describe situation plagues divorced father chance would weekend daughter fallen upon easter weekend year although presbyterian , married catholic woman decided catholic indoctrination spouse faith \( restrictive due time already set date \) , married christian church non denominational years marriage , often attend church daughter born , years later , wife insisted baptised catholic n't problem separation five years , ex wife taken ill disease affected mental capacities confined mental ward two months diagnosed since treated effectively words , professionals deemed functioning member society , ex wife embraced influence daughter substantial , primarily allowed saturday visitation number years period read bible study books daughter , tried keep aware christian heritage last fall , divorce finalized year divorce hearings time awarded visitation rights every weekend time , started taking daughter church quite often , although every weekend attempt strengthen christian ethic expose religious community today , easter sunday , took daughter church came time communion , daughter took bread \( body christ \) left wine \( blood christ \) young wine bread hand tried throw pew front us feel slap face , religion , religious heritage construed breaking several commandments try really felt action daughter nine years old , think old mature enough realize actions difficulty blaming directly religious teachings mother swears , discussed daughter made clear believed buddhism christianity initial response anger \( moderated \) suggest faith christ celebrate easter , christmas \? suggested would never force practice religious beliefs celebrating holidays want drive fold , would willing allow continue practicing buddhism \( though choice seeing two days fourteen \) want want embrace christianity suggestions \? response , please e mail copy \( i'm regular reader newsgroup \) \( naturally , feel free post ! \) thanks , hope 've happy easter drew drew watson systems analysis encore computer corp encore com \( 301 \) 497 1800 \( 703 \) 691 3500 customer services
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject ms windows vs motif \( gui design differences \) , future unix organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 46 distribution usa reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de article ik ctt bellcore com , ik ctt bellcore com \( ik su yoo \) writes aab andy aab com writes aab 1993apr7 uucp pyeatt texaco com \( larry pyeatt \) writes aab deleted look closely motif , see ms windows eye pleasing color texture real difference ms application window contain toplevel children , motif application window launches children onto desktop aab familiar guis , correct \? experience aab x makes think msw behavior easily duplicated aab x11 n't know msw another important difference msw n't window handle sophisticated geometry management \( like \) also , believe windows 3 x 're limited 64k resources \( windows , menus , icons , etc \) imho whole discussion named motif looks like ms totally stupid thing remotely influenced motif window manager , features arrangement buttons menus somewhat similiar ms w agent , however name mwm small part motif , fact , mwm motif work without , one n't like outfit reason , switches another n't influence motif , toolkit widgets write applications , toolkit imho ms w , much features alot goodies ms w interface cannot say porsche looks like vw k fer wheel gear position motif ms w complete different worlds , one element motif world gear wheel position ms w brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
seth ponder csci unt edu \( seth \) subject gui study organization university north texas , denton distribution na lines 35 little like icons instant recipe imho system 7 undoubtedly worst gui used \( , , , x11 \) simply provide enough keyboard windows must confess quite like \( cover ears \) \) actually use without ever touch mouse stuff delete user rather making things easier always option way want , like unix x combination much 's customizable hear ! hear ! agree completely one thing ca n't stand mac interface shear determination force use mouse \( mouse breaks whole system ! \) like mouse handy cut past moving icons around , etc work , keyboard hot keys 10 20 times faster using mouse sure plus able something simple inexperienced user , long experienced \? month \? two \? \( speaking pcs moment \) n't think much ask window programmers provide menu mouse interface also look forward would like move hot keys command line interfaces , usually allows less time experienced equally applies windowing systems unix \( especially since unix least 500 powerful dos \) seth u gab 550 817 565 seth cs unt edu seth gab unt edu unix operator
rcs8 po cwru edu \( robert c sprecher \) subject help simm configuration organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 22 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu someone please help understand current situation regarding simms \? iisi probably keep another 2 years would like add memory , ie go 5 mb 17 mb know need 4 x 4mb , 80ns faster simms simms , 30 pin 72 pin \? would simms get today usable 2 years newer , powerful system \? insight would appreciated thanks rob rob sprecher rcs8 po cwru edu
scst83 csc liv ac uk \( mr c smith \) subject pal \( \) programer \? organization computer science , liverpool university lines 27 nntp posting host goyt csc liv ac uk sci electronics fenian dell com writes anyone know reasonable circuit programming pals \? interested programming wide range would happy something could handle thereabouts would interested information subject programing pals etc better know start something , always say often saves packet well ! ! thanks advance chris \) name mr chris smith twang guitar ! scst83 uk ac liv uni liverpool university quest build hardware computer science ever sun may , certainly ball flaming gas ! h lawrence views expressed , reflect private thought
tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe \( dwight tuinstra \) subject political point attack clipper infrastructure reply tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe organization sun microsystems , inc lines 37 nntp posting host signal ece clarkson edu earlier argument clipper encourage state local cops commit criminal acts largely moot , 've learned fbi perform actual tap encourage fbi commit \( even \) criminal acts , 's point gives another avenue attack clipper proposal eff aclu cpsr foia requests made , ask details bureaucratic equipment infrastructure proposed \( even already budgeted \) fbi service tapping requests projected future figures , estimate number clipper tap requests fbi expecting publish figure compare per capita basis amount tapping known suspected also estimate expensive would fbi install clipper tapping stations , rapidly could built installed ie , get plus minus epsilon near future might disturbing j q public know things despite technical details btw , thanks 've providing ! , still n't know 1 \) tapping requests transmitted authenticated \( though n't hard guess good scheme \) 2 \) results securely transmitted \( fed ex audio tapes \? \) 3 \) privacy established investigation complete dwight tuinstra best tuinstra sandman ece clarkson edu tolerable tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapiens planetary cancer \? \? news six
anello fnal gov \( anthony anello \) subject hypoglycemia organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov keywords 40 dangerous \? anyone tell 40 diagnosed dangerous , e indicates possible problem \? one dr says , \( specialty \) says first negligent another blood test done also , good diet \( worked \) hypo \? tia anthony anello fermilab batavia , illinois
alizard tweekco uucp \( lizard \) subject rosicrucian order \( \) \? ! organization com systems bbs , , ca \( 510 \) 631 lines 32 netcom com \( max \( ! \) \) writes article usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony name three really competing rosicrucian orders probably spent time none spin offs opposite may case assume statement unequivocally saying amorc spin oto \? fact , oto may well spin amorc \? \? would quite interested hearing evidence support claim well , fair amount evidence floating around indicates oto around since least late , long crowley ever heard , long amorc around \? \( yes , know claim existed organization clear , doubt organizational paperwork non profit carbon dated 20 , 000 bc \) lizard lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco boo pacbell com \( preferred \) pacbell com ! boo ! tweekco ! alizard \( bang path \) alizard com \( backup \) pgp2 2 public key available request
netcom com \( \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 32 article 97 uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes previous posting dog attacks must generated bad karma something 've weathered attempted dog attacks using approved method slow screw dog 's triangulation target , take laugh dog , far behind time , n't work n't time riding hill leading house , encountered liver white springer spaniel \( relation springer softail , springer spagthorpe , close relation spagthorpe viking \) actually , dog encountered intent harm stuff deleted ryan cousinetc 1982 yamaha vision xz550 black pig inverness live ride kotrb 1958 ajs 500 c king rat work dod 0863 'd squid could afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver , bc , canada live sure hope got cost replacement panel owner owner seem reluctant , stop local \( preferably foot leg swollen \) file dog report would trick g glenn armory com cross oncoming lanes r65 hell cafe near death highways ! yeah got dod , \? sj mercury news
cs unc edu \( mark \) subject looking x window server frequency operations data organization university north carolina chapel hill lines 22 nntp posting host cs unc edu keywords frequency data x server architecture hello i'm currently designing architecture chip intended help speed common operations windowing system x friend designing chip final course project advanced computer architecture course taught dr fred brooks unc chapel hill feel 've got pretty solid design currently , 'd really like get ahold frequency data x windows server make effective use bit budget unfortunately , 've unable find anything sort various x faqs , x manuals 've seen anyone type frequency data , like many copy rectangle operations vs draw lines , things sort \? , barring , program records requests server \? help would appreciated many thanks , mark mark cs unc edu u north carolina , chapel hill
rob shirey shirey mitre org subject symposium net security x xxmessage id shirey mac mitre org x xxdate fri , 16 apr 93 15 27 54 gmt nntp posting host shirey mac mitre org organization mitre corporation , mclean , virginia , usa x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 lines 94 call papers internet society symposium network distributed system security 3 4 february 1994 , hotel , san diego , california symposium bring together people building software hardware provide network distributed system security services symposium intended interested practical aspects network distributed system security , rather theory symposium proceedings published internet society topics symposium include , limited , following design implementation services access control , authentication , availability , confidentiality , integrity , non including criteria placing services particular protocol layers design implementation security mechanisms support services encipherment key management systems , authorization audit systems , intrusion detection systems requirements architectures distributed applications network functions message handling , file transport , remote file access , directories , time synchronization , interactive sessions , remote data base management access , routing , voice video conferencing , news groups , network management , boot services , mobile computing , remote special issues problems security architecture , large systems like international internet , high speed systems like testbeds built security goals goals efficiency , reliability , interoperability , resource sharing , low cost general chair dan , lawrence livermore national laboratory program chairs russ housley , xerox special information systems rob shirey , mitre corporation program committee dave , trusted information systems tom berson , anagram laboratories matt bishop , dartmouth college ed cain , u defense information systems agency jim ellis , coordination center steve kent , bolt , beranek newman john linn , independent consultant clifford , information sciences institute michael roe , cambridge university rob rosenthal , u national institute standards technology jeff , massachusetts institute technology ravi , george mason university peter yee , u national aeronautics space administration submissions committee seeks original technical papers proposals panel discussions technical topics general interest technical papers 10 20 pages length panels include three four speakers panel proposal must name panel chair , include one page topic introduction authored chair , also include one page position summaries authored speaker technical papers panel papers appear proceedings submissions must made 16 august 1993 submissions made via electronic mail smiley mitre org submissions may either two formats ascii postscript committee unable read postscript submission , returned ascii requested therefore , postscript submissions arrive well 16 august electronic submission absolutely impossible , submissions sent via postal mail robert w shirey , mail stop mitre corporation mclean , virginia 22102 usa submissions must include internet electronic mail address postal address submission acknowledged medium received acknowledgment received within seven days , please contact either rob shirey shirey mitre org russ housley housley mclean csd xerox com , telephone mitre mclean , 703 883 authors notified acceptance 15 october 1993 instructions preparing camera ready copy proceedings postal mailed time camera ready copy must received 15 november 1993
etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) subject xtshellstrings , xtstrings \? nntp posting host eos6c02 ericsson se reply etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) organization ericsson telecom ab lines 28 article 1993apr5 informatik tu muenchen de wilk informatik tu muenchen de \( christian wilk \) writes hello , somebody know functions xtshellstrings xtstrings \? n't found xm , xt , x11 , need install tool hints greatly appreciated ! please reply via e mail n't functions , character arrays standard strings either defined string constants character pointers xtshellstrings xtstrings determined libraries compiled defined application undefined simply recompile one probably worth adding cflags michael salmon include standard disclaimer include witty saying include fancy pseudo graphics ericsson telecom ab stockholm
markz ssc com \( mark zenier \) subject use analog multiplexer digital signals \? organization ssc , inc , seattle , wa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 13 tall cool one \( rky57514 uxa cso uiuc edu \) wrote subject says use digital signals \? n't see could n't handle digital signals , could wrong anyone advice \? thanks switches non resistance \( 1k ohm powered 5 volts \) maximum current maximum static voltage across switch good bet ttl work cmos , slow things bit 74hc versions better specs lower max voltage mark zenier markz ssc wa com markz ssc com
sage cc purdue edu \( joe wall \) subject incredible car incredible price article mentor distribution usa organization purdue university computing center lines 18 brother preparing pay another year college expenses asked post 1987 alfa romeo gold milano model v 6 engine power everything ! seats 4 comfortably looks runs great 3 , 600 b contact brian wall \( 214 \) 393 1216 interested \( dallas area \)
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject think going cry yankees lose organization allegheny college ca n't believe , howe era 80 's improving ! ! ! key pitches great game , screw
oz ursa sis yorku ca \( \) subject turkish government agents usenet lie teeth ! reply dbd urartu sdpa org 's message thu , 15 apr 1993 20 45 12 gmt organization york u student information systems project lines 15 davidian babble turkish government feels funnel state ultra nationalism existing turkey today onto usenet convince people via revisionist , myopic , incidental view place world turkish government usenet \? long going keep repeating utterly idiotic increasingly drivel \? oz life people sea , look shore cannot know depths armenian proverb
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject cherry coach 's corner summary april 18 , 1993 nntp posting host st cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 68 summary cherry 's coach 's corner april 18 , 1993 took place first intermission game 1 montreal quebec series pre game comments 's comments mostly aimed goalies goalie gets back star form \( roy hextall \) win series team summary episode took place holding hot dog bought concession stand ron maclean started showing cartoon appeared toronto sun featured picture , saw shadow proclaimed look dat , eh \? means another 6 weeks beauty next , talked hot dog holding according , hot dogs quebec stadium best food arenas nhl , commented quebec montreal game game great flow , referee paul stewart calls best game nhl contrast , calgary la game terrible stop go , 50 minutes penalties called calgary dan marouelli getting ref calls penalties gets ref finals next , ron showed old picture , playing rochester americans ahl recalled wins quebec arena memorial cup ahl championships finally , ron discussed keenan becoming coach rangers rangers talented team feels sorry temporary coach ron smith , several key injuries \( leetch patrick \) goalies went cold criticism rangers team party 's , adolf \( keenan \) rangers organization longer ny go tank adolf , 'll hanging thumbs rating nothing special episode 'll give 5 5 10 allan sullivan \( allan cs ualberta ca \) department computing science , university alberta , edmonton , alberta , canada \( \) opinions mine mine alone amazing much accomplished one cares gets credit u golden bears hockey motto \( c drake \)
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization university rochester lines 38 article 1993apr20 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes site major commercial activity far know materials ca n't get cheaper right earth asteroids comets , aside semi mythic might useful low grade fusion reactors n't know low grade fusion reactor , major problem \( aside difficulty making fusion reactor work \) concentration lunar small order 5 ppb , average \( fractions , still small \) massive amounts would processed thread reminds wingo 's claims time ago moon source titanium use earth recall , wingo n't content assured titanium \( 5 earth 's crust , average \) would run , touted lunar mines , even though market price concentrate days around 06 pound prompted look large potential terrestrial sources moon , titanium occurs basalts high ti basalts \( apollo 11 17 \) 8 14 titanium dioxide \( weight \) nice , terrestrial continental flood basalts also typically enriched titanium often 3 tio2 , frequently 4 , sometimes even 5 tio2 \( , weight \) flood basalts enormous millions cubic kilometers , scattered world \( siberia , brazil , nw united states , ethiopia , etc \) even 1 basalts 5 tio2 , tons tio2 concentrations factor 2 3 less lunar high ti basalts difficult see disadvantages moon could overcome small increase concentration ore \( never mind richer , less common , terrestrial today \) paul f dietz dietz cs rochester edu
mikey ccwf cc utexas edu \( strider \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization university texas austin , austin tx lines 43 nntp posting host louie cc utexas edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes mikey ccwf cc utexas edu \( strider \) writes according australian documentary made year stand began , koresh followers believed christ koresh sex children women married men compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn ex members describe ways dissimilar way jim jones described n't know accurate documentary however , koresh never convicted crimes children , batf child abuse \( case \) strictly firearms violations , information irrelevant discussion fbi agents pass rigorous psychological examinations background checks plus , charge undoubtedly explain decisions great detail congress would fbi want fulfill koresh 's prophecy \? charge undoubtedly explain something , whether answers even remotely resembles truth may never know left alive care whether prophecy fulfilled \? holds meaning nine survived correction fbi said two cult members said far , one else able talk , talk news reporters directly , relate details , believe \? confirm story , probably definitely , however mike ruff , thine r e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self true polonius would sacrifice essential liberties little temporary safety deserve neither liberty safety b franklin
sp1marse \( marco seirio \) subject flat globe lines 13 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 anybody algorithm flattening globe , parametric surface , , would like take sheet paper knife able calculate must cut paper fold globe \( object \) marco seirio real life sp1marse caligula se
strait cheetah csl uiuc edu \( jeffrey c strait \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university illinois lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host cheetah csl uiuc edu article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite someone else pointed , would stove use warm day texas eat food cold \? ever hear electric ovens microwaves \? popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially microwaves n't work well electricity mr engineer personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \? jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university illinois phone \( 217 \) 333 ladies leave island , survive basic recruit training , weapon , minister death praying war
ev nctu edu tw \( h j hong \) subject ftp tool windows organization national chiao tung university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 8 one know ftp tool windows get tool \? thanks help ! ! h j 1993 , 4 , 19
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject dc x update \? \? \? organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 25 article schumach convex convex com schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) writes would sub orbital version suitable \( \) use sounding rocket \? dc x today n't suitable however , sdio funds reusable sounding rocket always sdio 's goal thank ghod ! thought spacelifter would definitely bastard son nls lot going reports due soon favorable bush briefing right people paying however , public support still critical politics need keep constant pressure elected officials allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 57 days first flight dcx
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject best homeruns organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny distribution na lines 22 darryl strawberry 's moon shots fun ! hit high far home runs actually ran 'd rounding second base time landed used say file flight plan bull durham came changed \) homers pulled n't go high , microwave home runs microwave , got outta hurry ! game 1988 , came bench flu second pitch send rocket right field line n't even allow bob murphy luxury home run call story went stayed clubhouse , mets two two johnson sent pinch hit came clubhouse saying one swing go home hit homer , ran bases , went straight clubhouse shower go home days scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
woods ncar ucar edu \( greg woods \) subject rockies spoon feed game mets organization scientific computing division ncar boulder , co lines 18 article hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com \( donald p boell \) writes , bichette look totally lost outfield \? 's playing horrible defense baylor said wednesday 's game wanted shake lineup little , bichette rough time defensively clark hitting true word went thursday 's game gerald young right daryl boston \( hot bat \) left baylor careful say though n't necessarily mean changes permanent wanted give two shot clark bichette playing well defense bichette , looks like right field mile high stadium bitch play visiting outfielders problems \( although bobby bonilla made great catch crashing wall rob daryl boston extra base hit thursday 's game \) greg
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck petch \) subject daily verse organization grass valley group , grass valley , ca lines 4 , love deeply , love covers multitude sins 4 8
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject many europeans nhl article alchemy 1993apr6 organization university toronto chemistry department lines 24 article 1993apr6 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article 1993apr6 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes anyways , crawl back hole crawled nba n't care get basketball players , major league baseball n't give damn get baseball players \( except cuba , \) mlb perfectly willing take players cuba defect first sort like situation used russian czech etc hockey players , political situation countries changed major league baseball told blue jays expos sign oscar \( think name \) canada restrictions cubans us major league teams told canadian teams would unhappy expos blue jays would cubans players would defect play canada could play 81 home games expos blue jays without trouble gerald
bb1t monsanto com subject necessity fuel injector cleaning dealership article bb1t 1993apr6 1 organization monsanto company , st louis , mo lines 29 article 1993apr6 acd4 acd com , jwg sedv1 acd com \( jim grey \) writes article 1993apr2 cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com \( paul r mount \) writes experience , true fuel injector cleaning much good using detergent gas fuel injector cleaning dealer probably little opening gas tank , dumping bottle fuel injector cleaner , sending merry way 59 poorer go kmart buy cleaner 1 29 case reputable fuel injector cleaning done properly injector cleaner solvent hooked fuel system high pressure car actually run solvent cleaning process equipment properly pricey , generally something average home mechanic solvent expensive \( 5 8 \) could probably make hose fit system , n't tell \) many tank cleaners worth wasting money discussion products time time , chevron \( pro \) generally regarded best , however , bit 1 29 bottle imho , substitute proper injector cleaning really 'll decide 59 price better deal spending time buying equipment scott keller 1 314 537 agricultural group monsanto company bb1t monsanto com packet mo usa na
mrl dsto gov au subject xv ms dos organization defence science technology organisation lines 43 nntp posting host mrl dsto gov au pascal perret , article 1993apr21 263 eicn etna ch , wrote site clarkson edu aliases grape ecs clarkson edu number 128 153 4 2 pub msdos djgpp pub 's xv221 zip \( \? \) think certainly read answer kevin martin write dv x \( \? \) \? \? \? \? \? \? could someone answer \? \? \? \? funny thing , internet idea xv221 might except might something x windows pcs \( \? know , used , think good , email mrl dsto gov au \) dv x common abbreviation quarterdeck corporation 's desqview x software used dv x yet , reading quarterdeck sent , sounds pretty great allows multiple dos machines way os 2 , without requiring 10 mb ram get os 2 going pre multi tasking network computing proper x windows client server application means dos program used x windows computers network , x windows programs used dv x computer although version unix , effectively many unix 's features , mostly able compile unix type programs using djgpp gnu c compilers advertise regularly major computing programming magazines also internet support online \( support qdeck com \) pascal perret perret eicn etna ch hope helps anyone wanting know phil ryan melbourne , australia
royc rbdc wsnc org \( roy crabtree \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization red barn data center lines 83 article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes cut water , fire trucks present refused bring fire equipment fear firemen would shot fbi atf go blasting holes firing gas munitions used tank knock hole wall , released non toxic , non flammable tear gas building take second look non toxic , non flammable mace \( sold public \) supposedly tell get mace directly linings lungs \( direct snort face \) certain quantities , reacts similarly mustard gas inhalation know father grandfather exposed poison gas wwi wwii dad went side effects weapon , including non toxic aerosols label actually means usually , wont kill may give permanent css 's better blowing hole head aerosols flammable enough oxygen hit right non flammable substances known boom hit right combo let 's take one trash fire makes black smoke already burned right \? ca n't go boom , right \? wrong suck smoke \( made paper , burned 35 fuel \) air conditioning return , mix 5 1 air , light match 200 feet conduit , filled smoke mixture , oh , say 200 pounds tnt fire codes say open ceiling tiles buildings 3 5 stories building blown smoke take little mix gasoline kerosene fumes electricity , remeber \? bit heating waco plains \? boil water drink since water cut \? liberally mix allow settle 1 4 hours fumes vent bus underground , davidians move children upstairs \( one , armor plated , remember \? \) breath , kids get sick die tear gas along comes tracer , spark , everyone burns death try thinking opening mouth may happened way say brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
smith harvard edu \( steven smith \) subject candidate reply cosc brocku ca 's message 10 apr 93 23 10 23 gmt organization harvard robotics lab , harvard university 1993apr10 spartan ac brocku ca lines 18 cosc brocku ca \( brian ross \) writes world future , bill clinton appoint canadians govern american institutions \( starting american health care system \) benevolent canadian dictators yet another tax floated clinton administration pay new social programs , 've really begun suspect canadians , long resentful place american shadow , brainwashed american draft dodger fled canada time 1966 1968 , ways canadian socialism , awarded smokeless marijuana cigarettes got correct answers , returned states \( control wife assigned case \) attain high public office destroy evil free market forces america , thus shaping america canadian image steven smith
tdawson engin umich edu \( chris herringshaw \) subject graphics organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host antithesis engin umich edu wondering anyone knows get information graphics series , system use think 's really awesome , would n't mind able use similar features programs thanks advance daemon
moe dseg ti com \( robert \) subject sho sc nntp posting host dseg ti com organization forest lane design center lines 42 article 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) writes article 1993apr15 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us \( david hwang \) writes article unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) writes article netcom com chriss netcom com \( chris silvester \) writes anyone would order sho automatic transmission beyond ca n't handle stick , stick regular taurus leave sho real drivers say n't real drivers ca n't use stick \( eg disabled persons \) , n't position use sho anyway would willing bet removed automatic transmissions performance type cars \( like 5 0l mustangs , camaros , like \) 'd cut number accidents year autos fine little sedans , business performance cars , imho james disagree 92 z28 350 4 speed auto w overdrive , really better way chevy autos long life ability handle copious amount power live dallas area , manual would much harder drive traffic still lived sticks like used , manual would fun safety wise , auto less distracting would hate shifting gears trying ease traffic freeways performance wise , hold stock 5 0 mustang 5 0 camaro w five speed imho \) robert l infinity notion best contemplated dseg ti com warm bed texas instruments , inc opinions , ti 's
mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) subject expanding europe dusseldorf reply pkortela snakemail hut fi 's message 15 apr 93 14 47 30 gmt organization abo akademi university , finland x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 75 pkortela lk hp 17 hut fi pkortela snakemail hut fi writes deg many german born forwards team fact majority players german born 1992 93 deg average spectator arena interesting ! one german friends \( robert \? \) told forwards canadian germans perhaps somebody sort us \? possible nhl \( european league \) site list switzerland berne , zurich \( 1 2 others \) ok , ai n't north america , still doubt city pop 500 , 000 could support nhl team course , switzerland probably judged one large city small distances cities still germany dusseldorf , cologne , berlin , munich \( mannheim , \) dusseldorf \? yes , although arena anachronism \( open wall behind one goals essentially outdoor arena ! \) cologne 's arena seats 7 , 000 8 , 000 , berlin 6 , 000 new facility built unless olympic bid successful munich arena sweden stockholm , gothenburg \( malmo , \) malmo big enough , also need new arena current one 5 , 000 seats think finland helsinki \( turku , tampere \) 're talking nhl , even helsinki would struggle make work turku \( despite excellent arena \) tampere nowhere near big enough major league hockey italy milan rome south question could well africa hockey fans romans given chance host games showed interest whatsoever teams italian league come milan smaller cities north france paris \( , \? \) paris \( sp \) pro team couple years ago believe even made european club championship finals tournament one year , eventually folded due lower hoped remaining cities seem small support minor sport like hockey norway \( oslo \) austria \( vienna , \) \( \) slovakia \( bratislava \) russia \( moscow , st petersburg \) easter cities lack money infrastructure support pro hockey great britain \? perhaps european teams like tampa bay lightning anyway playing small 10 , 000 seat arena , backed japanese money , run enthusiasts \( phil esposito \) , heavy marketing , fans difficulty telling icing means london mentioned , sheffield birmingham also large arenas new mega facility \( 16 , 000 seats ! \) might built bristol couple years netherlands \? facilities speak biggest arena \( eindhoven \) seats 2 , 500 fans hockey petteri kortelainen marcu
weston ucssun1 sdsu edu \( weston \) subject graphical representation vector valued functions organization sdsu computing services lines 13 nntp posting host ucssun1 sdsu edu gnuplot , etc make easy plot real valued functions 2 variables want plot functions whose values 2 vectors plotting arrays arrows \( complete \) going , thought would ask whether someone already done work pointers \? \? thanx advance tom weston usenet weston ucssun1 sdsu edu department philosophy \( 619 \) 594 \( office \) san diego state univ \( 619 \) 575 \( home \) san diego , ca
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject ban firearms ! organization hand held products , inc lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr14 sco com allanh sco com \( allan j heim \) writes papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) drugs banned , please tell supply dry \? drugs easier manufacture , easier smuggle , easier hide comparison let 's use another example alcoholic beverages bottles whiskey larger , heavier , fragile bags drugs barrels kegs larger heavier still , difficult manipulate yet , lot people managed get rich smuggling booze country years prohibition demand , entire industry formed supply beleive source kennedy 's money unless 's something i'm missing , think argument guns wo n't smuggled difficult manufacture , smuggle hide wo n't wash enough people want something , somebody try supply allan j heim allanh sco com ! uunet ! sco ! allanh 1 408 427 jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
dduff col hp com \( dave duff \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization hp colorado springs division lines 1 nntp posting host fajita19 cs itc hp com nut case panics ! ! ! ! jumps gun net getting facts straight ! ! ! !
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject accounts anti armenian human right violations azerbaijan 008 b summary part b organization p center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human right violations azerbaijan 008 part b prelude current events nagorno karabakh \( part b 008 \) oh , yes , remembered raping repeated quite frequently , let armenian women babies us , muslim babies , let bear azerbaijanis struggle armenians said , muslims carry holy cause heroes ! repeated often continued part six left left attack realized dan ger past , stopped controlling relaxed moment physical pain immediately made felt heart kidneys hurt awful kidney attack rolled back forth top christmas ornaments , howling howling n't know long went figured time , later turned pain around hour strength gone burst tears , started feeling sorry , forth someone came room think hear someone calling name want respond restrain , think i'm silent , continues seems first man 's voice calling , woman 's later found mamma sent neighbor , one whose apartment hiding , uncle , place , telling , know 've killed lyuda go least bring corpse n't violate corpse went returned empty handed , mamma thought n't want carry corpse apartment sent another time , sent wife , walking rooms looking , n't answer calls light , smashed lamps started pogrom apartment around five o'clock , 9 30 went went stairs walked apartment long wait death , long cowardly , afraid \? come walked started knocking doors one next one , fifth floor , fourth , opened door third floor , landing , uncle 's son started shout , aunt , n't cry , lyuda 's alive ! knocked door came aunt tanya , igor , , mamma aunt tanya , uncle 's wife , us apartment n't see karina , home , , lying , fever marina , father mother family gathered door lost consciousness igor aunt tanya carried apartment later found done karina mamma said , lyuda , karina 's really serious condition , 's probably dying recognizes , n't cry , n't tell face looks awful though whole face paralyzed , know , everything pushed one side , eye swollen , everything flowed together , lips , though dragged right side around whole microdistrict , 's disfigured face said , fine mamma afraid go room , went hugged karina started cry went soon saw legs gave way fell near bed , hugged legs started kissing crying opened eye intact , looked , said , \? could barely talk , whole face badly beaten n't say , rather muttered something tender , something , tender , , karina , little golden one understood igor brought water , drank karina 's lips started saying something , could n't understand made , hurts , hurt hair glued blood stroked forehead , head , forehead , lips , n't know help calls hand , come closer go 's saying something , ca n't understand igor brings pencil paper says , write shakes head say , , ca n't write ca n't understand 's saying wanted tell something , could n't say , karina , lie little , maybe 'll feel better tell says , maybe 'll late completely broke , could n't control hand water wiped forehead eye water squeezed little water onto lips says , lyuda , 're saved yet , go somewhere else damned house want kill us , know 'll find us , need call urshan repeated almost whole hour , understood every word ask , 's number \? urshan , 's head administration works call n't know home number say , karina , 's number \? says , ca n't remember say , knows number \? call \? says , n't know anything , leave alone went room igor stayed watch sat , crying , say , mamma , karina says call urshan call \? knows telephone number \? tell marina , think , think , call find \? started calling several people n't answer called girlfriend , girlfriend called another girlfriend found number called us back boss 's wife answered said dacha voice keeps cracking , ca n't talk normally says , lyuda , n't panic , get hold , go tell ca n't still n't know really going said , 's easy say , n't understand 's happening killing people n't think single armenian left building , 've cut i'm even surprised managed save says , well , ok , 's serious 's thinking emotions i'm fearing life , fact 's bad ok , fine , fine , says , 're afraid , ok , soon urshan comes back 'll send called started robbing apartment directly aunt tanya 's , second floor , 's apartment n't home , staying daughter karabagh destroyed everything realized still might come back kept trying get aunt tanya urshan 's wife named tanya finally get says , yes , 's come home , 's leaving place came course n't know happening , either , brought two daughters came jeep two daughters , like going outing came saw shape going town got frightened grown daughters , 're almost age three us carried karina , tossed coat warm scarf , went car took karina maternity home , first took us po ice precinct ready soon got car put karina said serious condition must n't move , might stretcher saw 30 soldiers sitting lying first floor , , concrete floor , around eleven o'clock night left house somewhere around 1 30 saw soldiers realized war going soldiers , enemies everything like war carried office stretcher emergency medical people baku medical attendant older armenian urshan told done karina 's proud would never told aging armenian name uncle arkady , think , someone said arkady , get injection ready , started fill syringe , turned around give karina shot looked face became ill old man , sixties , hair grey , moustache , hugged karina started cry done \? ! speaking armenian done \? ! karina n't say anything mamma came , started cry , man tried calm 'll give shot mamma tells , n't need shot government \? \? look 've done children ! 're killing people , 're sitting ! standing table 're sitting drinking tea ! look 've done daughters ! look 've turned ! gave something drink , heart medicine , think gave karina injection doctor said taken maternity home immediately papa urshan , think , even though papa bad shape , helped carry karina put stretcher , none got near n't know , maybe n't came 's matter \? tone official wrapped tighter half length coat blanket , , orange one , aunt tanya 's said , i'm fine uncle arkady came soothing , told doctor , leave , let woman examine woman came , azerbaijani , believe , said , 's wrong \? wearing sister lyuda 's , sister time yerevan nursing infant cut big hole would easier breast feed baby tore night shirt showed took shoulders turned back huge wound , size hand , back , indian said something gave two shots said dressed something , 'd hospital put stretcher , started looking people carry raised head little wanted sit , woman , n't know doctor nurse , said , lie still , must n't move lying back saw two policemen leading man profile seemed familiar shouted , stop ! one policemen turned says , want \? say , bring , want look brought said , person apartment raped sister recognize , note said , fine , n't write led n't know taking put stretcher near injured beaten soldiers sitting went look ambulance driver would bring car closer one soldiers started talking , sister n't remember conversation exactly , asked lived us asked , \? said ufa apparently first brought ufa police later learned suffered says , ok , 're armenians , n't get along , i'm russian , says , trying kill \? oh , remembered something else went onto balcony hammer nails looked window saw two azerbaijanis beating soldier near kindergarten pressed fence covered head arms , beating club way cried mamma made skin crawl n't know , 's still alive something else attack house saw sheets , clothes , dishes flying third fourth floor neighboring building , n't think azerbaijanis attacking armenians thought something fire throwing something n't need , someone fighting someone later , burning passenger car yard , neighbors said armenians , realized serious , anti armenian took karina sumgait maternity home mamma went said , 've beaten , help ignored father went said guilty voice , though fault 'd beaten , says , ribs hurt much , probably broken ribs please look doctor says , 's job urshan said , fine , 'll take place need doctor , 'll find one 'll bring one look drove apartment marina stayed examined us struck doctor said azerbaijanis apartment us n't surprised beat us wanted beat us , surprised soviet medical facility woman taken oath could talk victims like happy unhappy coincidence seen doctor delivered karina , examined karina , said , problem , got pretty good like kafan , armenians killing raping women karina terrible condition could n't say anything would certainly something say ! examined story put us separate ward shots , , drugs absolutely none ! n't even give us tea women soon found ward armenians raped started coming , way people look zoo animals karina n't see , lying , kept seeing put ira b ward also raped true , n't serious bodily injuries , told happened place , felt worse us raped ira daughter room , bed happened ira holding daughter 's hand , one hiding bed beating ira taking , gold , let go daughter 's hand , daughter took hand daughter fourth grade , 's 11 years old felt really awful heard ira asked harm daughter , said , want , leave daughter alone well , wanted threatened kill daughter got way would surprised criminals behaved way night simply bartholomew 's night , say , would love every day steal , kill , rape many surprised animals n't harm children beasts explained like would repeated 15 20 years , children would grown , , put , 'll come take pleasure lives , children girls would young women 15 years thinking tomorrow sure would trial investigation , trial investigation 1915 , girls could use 15 years heard investigators one victims testified 's described natures , would still 15 20 years , 100 years said , everyone surprised n't harm marina many people say either drunk smoked much n't know eyes red maybe n't slept night , maybe reason , n't know n't smoking n't drunk , i'm positive , someone smoked stop nothing urge spoke cultured fashion marina little sister , n't afraid , wo n't harm , n't look , might frightened 're muslim , muslim woman n't see things really quite sober came story alive every day lived since happened bears mark day n't even day , several hours father still ca n't look us eyes still feels guilty happened karina , mother , nerves 's started talk ing , 've heard argue several times thought one listening listen , 'll say , could \? could alone , could protect \? n't know find words , 's i'm happy , glad n't see happen 's thing spared us maybe happened chance course knows , 's way could imagine every last detail happened many conversations karina spoke together private , talked mamma , father never present conversations spare , say investigator comes house , n't speak father present february 29 , next clay , karina discharged hospital first released , since martial law declared city , soldiers took police precinct armored personnel carrier many people , armenian victims met family learned rafik uncle grant died sure died talking raya , rafik 's wife grant 's daughter , mother , crying took us office first floor yard 's little one room house outside , recreation reading area took us women afraid go thought us police precinct become dangerous even people working precinct wanted hide women shouting explained want hide better 's possible attack police precinct went little house chairs tables children us hungry even infants needed changed one anything awful kept us 24 hours window one room house could see azerbaijanis standing fences around police precinct , though spying us police precinct surrounded wall , like fence , 's , standing wall , means electricity shut brought great psychological pressure bear us , particularly n't walked apartments , n't slept 24 hours , 48 , suffered physically spiritually , ones lost family members us another ordeal especially frightened precinct employees suddenly disappeared could n't see single person , courtyard windows thought must already hiding building , must secret room people panicking started throwing one another 's way sinking ship heard people , mainly young people , whistling whopping walls felt end approaching completely terrified left karina hospital n't know parents sort calm parents , thinking karina , , heaven forbid , attack hospital , would immediately tell armenian , something terrible would happen karina , would n't able take soldiers dogs appeared saw dogs people climbed fence brought another 30 soldiers machine guns readiness , fingers triggers calmed little brought us chairs brought children little showed us could wash hands , took children toilet sat hungry , honest , would never occurred us n't eaten two days people eat , closer , brought group detained criminals watched soldiers guard dogs one men came back courtyard told us raya like different woman substituted earlier crying , wailing , calling oh , rafik ! , heard rage came ! jumped , coat , started roll sleeves like getting ready beat someone suddenly soldiers , dogs , lots people ran bandits standing hands heads facing wall went one grabbed collar started shake thrash ! , second , third everyone rooted spot one soldiers moved , one went help made stop bandits fell covered heads hands , something came back sat , something akin smile appeared face became quiet tears , cries round went back beat walking cursing terribly take , , killed husband , bastards , , came back sat probably whole night , well , n't really night , one slept went five six times beat returned told women , sitting \? killed husbands children , raped , 're sitting 're sitting talking though nothing happened n't armenians \? appealed everyone , one got numb , n't strength beat anyone , could barely hold , since standing many hours released eleven o'clock morning already ten night n't enough chairs , really elderly women children sat feet whole time nothing breathe , door closed , men smoking situation deplorable eleven o'clock night policemen came us , local policemen , azerbaijanis said , get 've brought , wash put children bed women n't want leave place , either place become like home , safe , soldiers dogs anyone went outside , soldiers would say , oh , 's little family , things like soldiers felt love , probably , first time lives perceived defenders everyone spoke heart , cried , hugged , loaded machine guns hands , said , grandmother , must n't approach , i'm guard people would say , oh , 's right hugged , one woman even one machine guns terribly moving small children kept wanting pet dogs took us second floor said , sleep n't afraid , precinct guard , 's quiet city 29th , killing going block places told armenians gathered sk club city party committee took us way asked stop maternity home wanted take karina n't know happening told , n't worry , maternity home full soldiers , mothers rest assured say , well , wo n't rest assured regardless , staff capable anything arrived city party committee turned karina already brought seen fit release tal , deciding felt fine longer need care city party committee gave free reign tears met acquaintances , everyone somehow divided two groups , n't injured , clothed , brought pot food , , , like , like raya , wearing whatever come way even people made , like come wedding people without shoes , naked people , hungry people , crying , lost someone course stories talk flying oh , heard killed ! mean killed ! stayed work ! know 's happening plant \? talk like met aleksandr , teacher know well respect highly 've known long time small room , well really like study room spent whole night talking study march 1 heard bagirov first secretary communist party azerbaijan ssr arrived everyone ran see bagirov , news brought viewed outside arrived everyone went talk ask things everyone tremendous rage protected soldiers , went second floor n't deign speak people apparently important things several hours passed called says , , find another two three 're going make lists , asked upstairs , lists dead , whose whereabouts unknown , lists people pogroms apartments whose cars burned 50 people list called said , lyuda , mamma arrived , 's looking , n't believe alive well 're gave lists someone asked continue went list imprecise , course included grant , raya 's father , alive , time thought dead engels grigorian 's father aunt , maria list also included name girlfriend neighbor , one guys said told chopped head courtyard front kosmos movie theater put list , cried , later turned rumor , fact hour earlier somehow left sumgait marina set sail , , thank god , alive well also say addition died list contained people rumored missing badly wounded given dead 3 lists taken bagirov n't remember many dead contained list , 's fact came couple minutes later cursing terribly irate asked , 's going \? said , lyuda , imagine animals , ! say lost list dead member central committee communist party ussr arrived , supposed submit list , 'd see scope slaughter , tragedy , whether one fifty told list disappeared ask everyone n't left khimik boarding house 26 people second list think number 26 one got press onto television radio , 's list got remember exactly 26 people list , even told aleksandr half first list said , lyuda , please , try remember least one could n't remember anyone else 30 dead certain government procuracy n't count people died , like sick people old people whose lives threatened shock n't registered victims sumgait tragedy may people n't know many people left sumgait march 1 8 ! left smaller towns russia , especially northern caucasus , stavropol , territory n't information know people set parts around moscow woman farmer call people know milk cows , mechanics , drivers , know whole group people went help also clearly list people died entering city , burned cars one knows , except azerbaijanis , hardly likely say anything 's great many people raped included list drawn procuracy know three instances sure , course n't know i'm thinking three women whose parents chose publicize happened , , n't take matter court , simply left n't cease victims one first cousin classmate lived microdistrict 8 , fifth floor ca n't tell building number n't know name comes neighbor one relatives , lived microdistrict 1 near gift shop n't know name , lives landing sumgait procurator beat father , holding door daughter hid , could n't hold door forever , climbed balcony neighbors' seized like azerbaijanis saying , cultured mob , n't kill anyone , raped left third one n't remember third one anymore transferred us march 1 karina still n't yes , lived days sk , cultural facility , khimik lived lived city party committee could n't stay karina difficult , peace survived could already walk , really honest words held thanks social work , managed persevere aleksandr said , n't work would go insane put gear took everything upon someone infant needed free food , went get first days bought everything , although received free supposed free charge , sold us , found free , went time , fortunately , could still drop see like neighbor , since everything still clearly visible faces sent captain resolved issue march 2 sent two investigators see us andrei vladimir way worked , family considered karina victims , maybe wound hospital mother father considered witnesses , victims involved karina 's case , , mine told everything , planned sit record everyone could remember everything still fresh mind n't work last day conditions n't investigative group worked slowly poor quality work solely situation n't conducive working n't enough automobiles , especially time curfew , typing transcripts , still video cameras think done purpose 're poor ca n't supply investigators stuff done especially draw investigation , since local authorities saw armenians leaving speed light , never return sumgait armenians lot say came agreement , told , n't worry , takes us month two months , 'll i'm afraid , looked death eyes five times two days , 'll help conduct investigation worked together great deal , used shelter karina , gave much n't time get , would least week two get back self difficulty breathing looked doctor take x rays could n't eat drink nine days , n't eat drank virtually nothing five days , fifth day , baku already , investigator told , long go like \? well fine , n't want eat , n't love , 're taking care , gave word would see investigation need started eating , fact exhausted n't enough kept seeing faces apart ment mind , every day went investigative solitary confinement cells prisons n't know everywhere ! probably every prison city baku solitary confinement cells sumgait time even turned drunk tank solitary confinement thus far identified 31 people apartment mamma identified three , karina , two total 36 marina n't identify anyone , remembers faces two three , n't among photographs detained told neighbor recognized one went axe still n't detained , 's still loose 's gone , 's clear found n't know first last name know building lived know faces 's city investigators informed even investigation closed even trial continue looking 31 people identified largely blue collar workers various plants , without education , lowest level every respect mostly ages range 20 30 years one 48 one student attending azerbaijan petroleum chemical institute sumgait , mother kept trying bribe tor , thinking employee victim , said front 'll set restaurant worth 500 rubles give 600 cash simply keeping armenia , , keep landing prison armenian soil 're terribly afraid , investigator talking criminal criminal n't confess even though identified , tell order apply psychological pressure say , fine , n't confess , keep silent 're armenian prison , find , 'll take care short order somehow gets many give start talk investigators apartment videotaped entire pogrom apartment , investigative experiment saw way left apartment even without knowing apartment , could guess stole , example , money valuables , n't take single book tore , burned , poured water , hacked axes materials 27th congress communist party soviet union james cooper 's last oh yes , lunch ready , boiling chicken , lemons tea table apartment , chicken lemons gone 's enough tell kind people apartment , people n't even know anything books n't take single book , take worn clothing , food , even cheapest cheap , worn slippers identified , four kafan azerbaijanis living sumgait basically , group went seeking revenge let 's use word joined people seeking easy gain thrill talked one gray eyes , somehow back drop black remembered specifically eyes besides taking part pogrom apartment , also involved murder building 16 older armenian recently arrived georgia , lived alone anyone sumgait n't know last name like , maybe married azerbaijani laid eyes woman twice , know nothing know murdered apartment axe murdering n't enough hacked pieces threw tub water remember another guy really well , also rather fair skinned know , people apartment darker dark , hair skin contrast , addition grey eyed one , remember one fellow , one l took lezgin identified turned eduard grigorian , born city sumgait , convicted twice one remember \? name rita tattooed left right hand kept thinking , rita , would read word latin characters instead cyrillic , cyrillic one looks like latin led sat hands behind back confrontation swore every holy book , tried put armenian word try spark compassion , told making mistake , called dear sister said , 're wrong , could , armenian , raise hand , armenian , spoke even investigator asked , lyuda , sure \? told , 'll tell one identifying mark i'm wrong shall apologize say mistaken name rita tattooed left right hand went rigid became pale told , put hands table put hands table palms said , turn hands , n't turn hands start acknowledged guilt said n't wanted , forced something else , would treated somewhat differently stuck story , , anything , n't turned hands name rita fact tattooed hand face distorted something wicked immediately flew rage ashtray table , really heavy one , made granite something , large , ashes butts catching quite surprise , hurled ashtray ashtray hit wall , ashes butts rained head back smiled smiled provoked n't know , jumped table us started either pounding longer remember jumped caught microphone cord investigator , longer recall last name , says , , 's japanese microphone ! please shut equipment spot , video taped took away stayed , talked little calm , needed go working , remember telling , 're ! performance ! said , , honestly beforehand would always tell , lyuda , emotion speak calmly nothing happened say , n't strength emotion emotions behind , longer strength n't strength anything says , lyuda , able \? returned normal , drinking tea watching tape , said , really jumped table \? never jumped high gym class could say gang took apartment international 36 identified armenian , russian , vadim , beat mamma , 34 azerbaijanis second meeting grigorian , completely confessed guilt , told february 27 azerbaijanis come knocking among guys call guys knew prison said , tomorrow 're going armenians meet us bus station three o'clock said , , i'm coming told , n't come 'll kill said , alright , 'll come went also went visit classmate microdistrict , also prison think together either stolen motorcycle one get parts needed called apartment told thing tomorrow 're going get armenians said , pulled knife said , i'm going courtyard 27th stabbed several times , stomach taken hospital know hospital baku , republic hospital known would idea come 28th 'll return grigorian , apartment remember beat along rest spoke azerbaijani extremely well fair skinned , maybe led think , later proved took part beating burning shagen n't know participated rapes apartment n't see , n't remember people apartment n't yet know armenian said n't know confessed , n't recall blacked often think n't participate rape karina apartment whole time carried courtyard , remained apartment one point talking acquaintance edik grigorian learned wife , mother russian , n't father , 's convicted twice well third , hope , last sentence beat wife , eternally coming work bruises wife armenian name rita others detained well 're little beasts really ca n't call beasts , 're little beasts robots carrying someone else 's , investigation said , n't understand could done , head know around prepared , 's name allah , name koran , name islam 's holy 's everything commanded saw n't minds , i'm talking level cultural sophistication higher values education , work , slew children without means raise properly , crowd , like temporary housing , apparently , promised slaughtered armenians would receive apartments went many explained participation saying , promised us apartments among one genuinely repented sure repented heart despised incident worked children 's home , azerbaijani , two children , wife works children 's home everything acquired , everything earned labor , n't inherited parents grandparents said , n't need anything n't know ended like hand guiding , strength , masculine dignity , nothing whole time kept repeating , imagine someone young wife right eyes sat leader eskimo coat detained performed marvelous disappearing act , think 'll get onto , work little , vadim , boy , according grandfather , touch young person taught , cover tracks constantly exchanging jackets boys knew n't , either , things well , changed like would n't get onto , detained one eskimo coat aleksandr gambarian murdered came said , let 's go , enough , 've spilled enough blood maybe karina n't know reason n't finish hoping take home heard aunt tanya sons , , courtyard near entryway liked much , decided take home karina came one point n't remember yet , neighbors old saw one around , started crawling entryway saw still alive came back , already third entryway , way came back started beating finish come would sustained lesser bodily injuries , would beat less older woman building , aunt , azerbaijani , lay top karina , crying pleading leave alone , flung woman 's grown sons right nearby picked hands led home cried loudly swore god earth , sees everything , wo n't forgive another woman , , aunt fatima , sick , aging woman first floor , 's already retired mountain , azerbaijanis , , custom men fighting , throw scarf feet stop trampled scarf sent home trample scarf tantamount woman 's honor investigation going , lot behind us gotten back little , think could events called sumgait tragedy happen \? come \? start \? could avoided \? well , 's clear without signal , without permission top leadership , would happened , i'm afraid say , azerbaijanis , let worthy people take offense , better representatives nations , let take offense , azerbaijanis majority people kept line fear law , fear retribution done law said could , like unleashed dogs afraid would n't time everything , threw one thing next able get done , bit smell danger already air february 27 could tell something going happen everyone figured took steps avoid running gangs many left , got plane tickets end country , got far away legs would carry february 27 saturday teaching third class director came classroom said let children , call city party committee asking teachers gather meeting lenin square well , excused children , teachers left school , altogether three women , director , six seven men rest already gone home got lenin square great many people around five thirty six evening , later saying kinds rubbish podium crowd supporting , roaring spoke microphone happened kafan days earlier driver bus going district recently thrown small azerbaijani child bus speaker affirmed eyewitness , seen crowd started rage death armenians ! must killed ! woman went stage n't see woman people podium like flies could hear woman introduced coming kafan , said armenians cut breasts , called , sons , avenge daughters ! enough portion people square took running direction factories , toward beginning lenin street stood hour director school 25 spoke , gave nationalist speech said , brother muslims , kill armenians ! repeated every sentence said crowd supported , whistling shouting karabagh ! said , karabagh territory whole life long , karabagh soul tear heart \? though azerbaijani would die without karabagh 's territory , armenians never see armenians must eliminated time immemorial muslims cleansed land infidel armenians , time immemorial , 's way nature created , every 20 30 years azerbaijanis cleanse land filth filth meant armenians heard n't listening speeches closely many people spoke stood back podium , talking shop teachers , somehow went right , n't penetrate , fact something serious taking place , one teachers said , listen 's saying , listen idiocy 's spouting , listened speech director listened woman 's speech right group nine us mood changed , subject conversation school matters forgotten director studies , great respect , 's azerbaijani considered upstanding worthy person , need obtain leave asked , seemed like good person tells , lyuda , know besides armenians square \? find 're armenian 'll tear pieces tell 're armenian \? tell 're armenian \? said first time pretended hear , asked second time turned director , , said already eight , expected home , leaving answered , , said women stay ten o'clock , men , twelve stay young teacher us , children kindergarten husband worked shifts asked leave left children kindergarten director excused let go turned around , said , good bye , left young teacher , azerbaijani n't see walking buses n't running , crowd rally ran nearby us apparently gotten fired must become much , wanted seek vengeance immediately , rushed n't afraid time sure teacher would n't say armenian make short , reached home karina told movies happened started telling experience parents n't understand danger watched television usual , n't even imagine tomorrow would last day 's city party committee met acquaintance , went school together , , n't remember last name , lives store narimanov street father , reason n't mother two home alone father held door jumped third floor , lucky ground wet n't anyone behind building went balcony , one , standing near entryway building also lucky one murders jumped jumped n't feel pain heat moment days later found could n't stand , injured somehow 's people sumgait saved lives , honor , children way could possible , armenians fought back father 's first cousin , armen , lives block 30 found phone one victims going town armenians building called one another immediately armed axes , knives , even went roof took infants , old women bed god knows many months , got right beds took everyone upstairs hooked electricity trap door roof waited , ready fight took daughter school board director hostage , 's azerbaijani lived building called school board director told n't help , 17 armenians roof , escape alive unharmed , 'd never see daughter i'm sure , course , armenians would never lay hand woman , thing could saved time called police armenians made deal local police go town two armored personnel carriers soldiers summoned surrounded entryway led everyone roof , side armored personnel carriers crowd way building moment , block 30 's defended heard neighbors , roman sasha gambarian , resisted 're big , strong guys father killed heard brothers put strong defense lost father , able save mother one neighbors told happened , looking criminals march 1 2 everyone suspected , people hid people entryway , maybe people injured perhaps dead neighbors afraid go , went soldiers basement supposed found azerbaijani corpses n't know many even wounded put , two days would died loss blood infection basement filled water heard neighbors later talking investigators subject came confirmed know , , several hours basement used store objects stolen apartment neighbor carried carpet , along rest stole , posing one criminals everyone taking share , neighbor took , , carried home came back , everything seemed calmed , returned , saying thing managed save raya 's husband father defended defended , armenian families sure azerbaijani victims , although 'll never hear anything reason government n't want say armenians victims , defended honor sisters mothers , tv show viewpoint military man , officer , said armenians virtually nothing defend 's important , truth come regardless 's price paid three days three days courage , , humanity tested three days , years dozens years lived , showed 've become , grew three days showed conclude narrative sumgait tragedy said 's yet , trials still ahead us , punishments received violated us , wanted make us depend position work investigators , procuracy , literally every person lent hand tion 's price paid live armenia , fear going street night , afraid say 're armenians , fear speaking native tongue october 15 , 1988 yerevan reference 008 1 sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan , volume , eyewitness accounts , edited samuel shahmuradian , forward yelena bonner , 1990 , published aristide caratzas , ny , pages 118 145 david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troops p center regional studies armenian border , ca n't p box 382761 even explain 1915 \? 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ohsu edu ohsu edu \( brown \) subject doctrine god organization oregon health sciences university lines 111 posted general outline personal study doctrine doctrine god persons godhead doctrines scripture , important bible pre eminently revelation god therefore , first objective studying bible know god believe bible teaches three persons godhead \( trinity \) god , father god son lord jesus christ god , holy spirit believe individual persons one nature , meaning identical nature , possessing divine attributes also equally worthy worship , trust , obedience cf matt 28 19 , 2 cor 13 14 john 14 8 , 9 , 16 , 17 ii attributes , characteristics , godhead god 's nature revealed name taken jehovah living god , eternal , unchanging without beginning , without ending cf isa 42 8 b god spirit cf john 4 24 c god love cf 1 john 4 8 , 16 , gracious , merciful , good , faithful , patient , full lovingkindness cf 89 1 , 2 103 8 1 7 god also holy righteous absolutely without sin nature , incapable sinning though , word , action cf ex 15 11 isa 6 3 e god omnipresent \( everywhere present time completeness person \) , omniscient \( knowing , knowing things end beginning , infinitely wise \) , omnipotent \( almighty , sovereign , unlimited power creation \) god infinite presence , wisdom , power conviction work lord day become man centered , people churches know little god believe lord 's work needs god centered , people god need understand god sovereign things affairs nations , lives people , carrying purposes regarding salvation iii works godhead creation three persons godhead active creating , three active sustaining creation , ordering course human affairs \( nations well individual people \) end time cf gen 1 1 , 2 john 1 1 3 col 1 16 17 heb 1 3 b salvation order understand salvation believe absolutely necessary begin god , man three persons godhead , , active salvation 1 god , father salvation originated god members godhead determined eternity past would salvation , conditions people could would saved , even would saved election salvation recognized scripture work god , father cf eph 1 3 4 2 thess 2 13 14 2 christ , son god lord jesus christ , birth virgin mary , came earth accomplish two important works came final complete revelation god , father cf col 1 15 heb 1 1 3 b came provide salvation father chosen death cross , bodily resurrection , present work heaven work salvation completed us lord returns cf rom 5 8 10 1 cor 15 3 4 heb 7 25 , 1 john 3 2 3 holy spirit author scripture , theme christ redemptive work , holy spirit carrying redemptive plan god following ways sin cf john 16 7 11 b \( known bible new birth \) cf john 3 5 8 c believer fulfill work sanctification cf john 14 16 17 seals every believer christ , thus making salvation secure cf eph 1 13 14 e every believer body christ cf cor 12 13 f teaches every believer truth scripture cf john 14 26 g bestows spiritual gifts people god ministry \( cf 1 cor 12 h sin cf gal 5 16 26 living service cf acts 1 8 brown \( internet \) ohsu edu portland oregon
pitt edu \( richard v \) subject winning streaks organization university pittsburgh lines 24 article 93105 psuvm psu edu rap115 psuvm psu edu \( robbie po \) writes penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries next season meaning , start season another 18 game unbeaten streak , flyers record right , penguins 11 game winning streak , streaks carry one year another hmmmm , i'm sure true according mike lang good old , along rest tv crews pittsburgh , winning streak could stopped regular season mark would think would also hold unbeaten streak regular season games however , right playoff streak carry last year 1 win , believe tie edmonton record \( n't quote one \) robbie po pgh penguins ! ! ! wo n't easy , contact '93 '94 '91 stanley cup greater rewards penn state lady lions '92 champions mountains valleys rap115 psuvm psu edu 11 straight wins ! better nothing !
keithley apple com \( craig keithley \) subject give 1 billion first year lo organization apple computer , inc lines 80 article 1993apr21 iti org , aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) wrote article f23 zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes prize n't big enough warrent developing ssto , enough vehicle exists actually , people tell would enough ssto development , done privately cut rate operation course , may optimistic spite great respect people speak , think cost estimates bit optimistic nothing else , working ssto least complex large airliner smaller experience base therefore seems ssto development cost least much typical airliner development puts 3g 5g range purpose contest , 'd bet things could cut like fuel entry , kind heat shielding , etc , etc even still , contest participants fund dc 1 development , probably would n't worth develop dc 1 \( contest \) give cheapest lift man rated \( least 6 gs \) booster n't pay dc 1 development , great ! , 'll use back contest goals , recent article aw st low cost \( 's relative \) manned return moon general dynamics scheme involving titan iv shuttle lift centaur upper stage , lev , crew capsule mission consists delivering two unmanned payloads lunar surface , followed manned mission total cost us 10 13 billion joint esa \( \? \) nasa project 6 9 billion us share n't find mention long crew could stay , 'd bet around 30 days total payload delivered 30 metric tonnes ignore scientific payload , hitch ride crew habitation module \( return trip \) , toss tonnes additional consumables last another 11 months , might able get year visit 15 tonnes \( case obvious , 's wild ass guess \) pretty boring visit , since every trip outdoors eats bit lox i'm certain home \( college \) life support system could last year let 's round 19 4 tonnes \( , since gd plan talks 9 7 ton payloads delivered lunar surface adds two , two , two shuttle flights put single man moon year hmmm really practical anyone got cheaper better way delivering 15 20 tonnes lunar surface within decade \? anyone precise guess much year 's supply consumables equipment would weigh \? wondering gd lev reusable \? discarded burn return leo \? discarded , could \? henry know anything gd lev \? noted uses rl 10 engines n't reusable \? would lev fit dc 1 \? 've forgotten \( ever knew \) cargo bay dimensions dc 1 , i'm certain single goal prize staying moon year wise useful prize first non government unmanned moon landing , another manned moon landing , yet another system extract consumables lunar soil , another reusable earth moon shuttle , forth find way build civilian moonbase infrastructure single goal might result bunch giving one person appeared win n't give , find something little scary half dozen people little moon shelters 'd like see much reward co operation competition lastly , ten fifteen years back seem recall english space magazine going discussion cheap recalled discussed things like much heat human body produced , much lunar material 'd need protection solar flares , etc unfortunately n't remember name magazine ring bell anyone \? craig keithley n't remember , n't recall , apple computer , inc got memory anything keithley apple com peter gabriel , third album \( 1980 \)
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mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( keith mancus \) subject ca n't get 1280x1024 work w 2m ati ultra pro organization mdssc lines 18 unable get gateway 486dx2 66 run windows 1280x1024 ordered 2m ati ultra pro , i'm pretty sure 2m really select 1024x768x65536 matter flex program ati 's program group , 1280x1024 remains ghosted windows 3 1 , build 59 drivers , dos 5 0 drivers installed gateway , , perhaps 's file missing hard drive runs 1024x768 fine go desktop window select 1280x1024 sometimes refuses \( ghosted \) , time accepts , hit ok enter desktop , 's back 1024x768 time 1280x1024 main flex window help ! keith mancus mancus butch jsc nasa gov n5wvr mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder alcohol , states cities fall , back 's wall leslie fish
vigil esca com \( sandra vigil \) subject hispanic star team organization esca corporation , bellevue wa lines 49 icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) writes hispanic magazine \( april 1993 \) couple interesting articles hispanic players including hispanic star team major points npr 's morning edition aired report morning \( 4 19 \) hispanic latin american players mlb many problems faced black negro african american players first entered league however , although baseball adjusted presence black players , many hispanic players still labor stereotype , hot blooded , flashy report also despite rantings \( word \) jackson baseballs discrimination black players upper , baseball actually done much better black players hispanic players another interesting point language barrier problem reporter elaborated interview sierra gave spanish spanish speaking newspaper reporter fact maybe 2 major baseball writers speak spanish , despite fact spanish one \( \) easiest languages learn , easy author mccarthy learned spanish age 50 order research book , pretty horses yet , mlb organizations employ spanish speaking personel , one exceptions oakland 's another point nearly 90 latin american players african blood yet , report 'd never really felt black playing ball us ironically enough , early presence latin american baseball players major leagues support idea baseball integrated arrival jackie robinson , many light black brown , latin americans incorporated baseball know cure disease images , believed healing sandra vigil power words stories vigil esca com end world
ron roth rose com \( ron roth \) subject selective placebo x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 34 romdas uclink berkeley edu \( ella baff \) writes jb rr n't doubt placebo effect alive well jb rr every medical estimated around 20 , jb rr would higher alternative versus conventional jb rr medicine \? jb jb time , closer 90 experience , jb substance intervention beyond good intentions jb practitioner , quite therapeutic jb jb john badanes , dc , ca jb romdas uclink berkeley edu well , 's case practice , hard time figuring even managed make bottom half class , create crayons \? someone runs medical practice 10 success rate , either tackle problems qualified treat , conscience business purposes otoh , kidding , new england medical journal 1984 ran heading ninety percent diseases treatable drugs surgery , echoed several reports wonder mds amused alternative medicine , since 20 magic placebo effect would award alternative practitioners twice success rate conventional medicine ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 fear cat something rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton \( 416 \) 575 5363
sdcc13 ucsd edu \( \) subject summary zyxel strings keywords zterm , firstclass , telefinder strings lines 90 nntp posting host sdcc13 ucsd edu write recently got zyxel u modem 's great , i'm still problems figuring strings use applications basically need strings z term , firstclass client , telefinder client 've able get firstclass z term working using another modem 's settings firstclass copying z term however , still problems z term , example , list first time try dialing starting problem cancel try , works fine telefinder even worse ca n't get even wake modem , anyone uses zyxel programs , 'd greatly appreciate sending setup strings use thanks advance ! cs ucla edu writes zterm , initially following d0 w0 set init string 's ! rsmith pearl tufts edu \( rod smith \) writes ca n't help firstclass telefinder , 've using zterm zyxel close two weeks 's zterm , set hardware handshaking bps rate 57 , 600 \( 've probably already done \) typed d0 w first line sets modem ignore dtr line \( necessary hardware handshaking , though , mac hardware handshaking cables \) second stores setting non volatile memory modem , 's default modem starts modem preferences dialog , modem initialization string set z0 , stored setting used \( useful starting zterm using something like fax software , change settings ways \) alternatively , could leave factory default way set zterm initialization string d0 , would accomplish thing modem always start zterm , programs n't modify settings z0 d0 would work even programs modify modem 's settings way sometimes forget turn modem launching zterm , way i'm assured correct dtr handling modem 's powered comparing strings commands reference guide , came 50 entered box zterm quick summary z0 reset modem user profile 0 l2 speaker volume 2 \( fairly quiet \) n2 ring volume 2 \( fairly quiet \) x5 display connect info according setting 5 \( see manual \) d0 assume dtr \( computer \) always s11 50 dial speed 50 \( fast zyxel handle \) firstclass , used string , addition s0 0 right s11 command , setup box disables auto answer function modem firstclass based modem setting supra 14 , changed mentioned string telefinder , based setting zoom hh setting changed string one used firstclass , everything seems work fine sorry took long get summary someone wants forward info mac reports directory sumex aim , might save newbie zyxel users like trouble setting strings , also save net redundant messages anyone else something add , feel free marcus ucsd edu marcus sdcc13 ucsd edu
netcom com \( nancy p milligan \) subject need advice doctor patient relationship problem organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 15 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 'd dump rude rude seems enjoys humiliating n't dump , write tell firing , think sending copy letter whoever charge clinic works , applicable , maybe even ama n't letter , truthful firm n't victim put take control ! 'll make feel great ! nancy nancy p milligan netcom com dale cts com
sandy pt cyanamid com \( sandy silverman \) subject barbecued foods health risk reply halcyon com 's message 19 apr 1993 01 07 22 0700 nntp posting host pt cyanamid com organization american cyanamid company nwfocus wa com lines 11 reading popular , scientific , literature , think burned fat problem probably real small compared kinds risks \( type problem also occurs stove top pan \) one possible remedy read take vitamin c meal barbecue \( bacon , e g \) may make sense c could counteract adverse affect chemicals question bon ! sanford silverman opinions expressed american cyanamid sandy pt cyanamid com , pt cyanamid com yeast best
encore com \( mike palmer \) subject windows ramdrive \? \? \? help organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem1 encore com lines 31 f ccsvax sfasu edu writes stuff del 'd bandwidth 's sake \? sigh n't memory using ramdrive windows waste memory windows access upto 16mb ram better memory n't work , paths stored inside group pif ini files sudden things went drive c drive e ! however , wanted copy application ramdrive setup , work normally , previously stated , hurt things unless 've got ram using whats 16 ramdrive personally 20mb 's ram run 4mb ramdrive great deal success however , looking speed windows , three things 've noted work best 1 \) graphics accellerator card 2 \) co processor \( even emulator helps ! \) 3 \) disk cache besides smartdrive \( 've tried several , lightning windows norton cache give major headaches well \) think purpose original poster trying serve avoid significant amount disk access windows startup 's like 's trying 's bit wearing damn drive estimate 's reading mb programs data , performance drive gives , sounds like scattered drive \( drive however compressed \) takes much fuss perhaps ms would take trouble optimize startup process , less people would wanting find solution
mcs drexel edu \( mathew scott smith \) subject axion serial port switcher good bad \? organization drexel university lines 26 hi ! i'm looking buying serial port switcher , mac two serial ports , appletalk , modem , printer , midi , sound digitizer \( 2 ! 5 , unfortunately \) specifically , i'm looking axion electronic switcher , seems fairly cheap \( 128 \) anyone know anything \? 've heard things still use 2 serial ports time , prevents physically swapping cables although 've also heard programs use comm toolbox may able use many serial ports want anyone know true axion \? finally , axion stinks , 're using something else think good , 'd interested hearing products would like spend 140 , possible please reply mail i'm regular reader newsgroup 's interest , post summary replies thanks lot ! scott smith \( mcs drexel edu \)
bf3833 pyuxe cc bellcore com \( feigenbaum , benjamin \) subject news may missed , apr 20 organization bellcore , livingston , nj summary totally unbiased magazine lines 134 article 456 genesis mcs com , arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) writes news may missed , apr 19 , 1993 busy israelists us media spiked intrepid israeli soldiers israeli soldiers sexually taunted arab women occupied gaza strip three week long closure sealed palestinians jewish state , palestinian sources said sunday incidents occurred town khan involved soldiers brigade centre house house raids palestinian activists closure , imposed strip occupied west bank five days ago girls al secondary said group naked soldiers taunted , yelling kiss '' girls fled , soldiers threw empty bottles saturday , group soldiers opened shirts pulled pants saw girls al walking home school parents considering keeping daughters home girls school day , soldiers harassed two passing youth escaped secondary school deputy principal abu said shouted abusive language girls , backed wall , put arms around teacher hamdan abu intervened soldiers kicked beat butts rifles tuesday , troops stopped car driven abdel , moslem , demanded kiss female passenger refused , soldiers hit 18 year old passenger stop beating friday , soldiers entered home abu , 60 , blindfolded wife , put music tape recorder demanded dance elderly couple danced , soldiers slipped away coupled continued dancing grandson came asked happening army said checking reports israeli troops bar christians jerusalem israeli troops prevented christian arabs entering jerusalem thursday celebrate traditional mass last supper two arab priests greek orthodox church led 30 worshippers prayer separating occupied west bank jerusalem soldiers told people army issued permits could enter , brothers celebrating mass church holy sepulchre hoping able join prayer , '' said father george makhlouf ramallah parish israel sealed occupied lands two weeks ago palestinian attacks jews closure cut arabs west bank gaza strip jerusalem , economic , spiritual cultural centre father nicola said christians want suffer humiliation requesting permits reach holy sites makhlouf said closure discriminatory , allowing jews free movement take part recent passover celebrations restricting christian celebrations , saw jews celebrate passover without interruption cannot reach holiest sites , '' said israeli officer interrupted makhlouf 's speech , demanding see identity card ordering crowd leave revolted , drop israel 's best friend email let know think 75300 3115 compuserve com \( via compuserve \) clintonpz aol com \( via america online \) clinton hq campaign92 org \( via mci mail \) tell 'em arf sent ya tired learning american foreign policy effectively , israeli controlled media , highly recommend checking washington report free sample copy available calling american education trust \( 800 \) 368 tell 'em arf sent js took advice ordered copy report heartily recommend pro israel types following reasons 1 excellent excrement use line bottom 's cage negative side effect bird somewhat warped view mideast 2 makes great april fool 's joke , e , give someone knows nothing middle east say april fools anyway , plan call every month keep getting free sample magazines \( know cheap jews \) btw , call , tell 'em barf sent kidding , ben
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject wanted advice new cylist organization university east anglia lines 9 angel levine writes 's exactly dangerous looks anyone particular mind jody \? \)
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject guns gone good riddance ! organization oklahoma state university lines 63 article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu , jrm gnv ifas ufl edu loosing question vote , cause considered abomination matter hard try , public opinion set rkba irrational fools set rkba plenty people support end finish clinton administration , rkba null void tough titty government overthrown long happens huge composed available men women care country defeat forces evil people prevail ! oh , think armed citizens alone ca n't overthrow government \? consider think law enforcement officials members armed forces turn people entrusted serve \? hardly count lot people army , marines , air force , navy , national guard , police officers , joining cause defend liberties freedoms american citizens count ! government able disarm everyone without starting civil war ! better discover ways make without firearms number cases firearms abuses ruined cause nothing live sword shall die press , public \( voting public \) , flow history ! surrender arms soon enough , officers around collect wrong people hide guns officers \( like jack booted \) able find resistance useless overwhelm one time neighbors help consider immediate threat abstract 'criminal' unless idiots realize n't next including believe describe happens coming guns disarming citizens would require everyone 's freedoms liberties suspended temporarily likely , 'd never restored unless people something fucking bad gone way kkk violent solutions passe' avoid situations encourage criminals safe possible scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun
arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) subject gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian organization mcsnet contributor , chicago , il lines 28 nntp posting host localhost mcs com article usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) writes many aware gun control act 1968 verbatim translation nazi gun control law passed shortly holocaust \? think i'm paranoid asking questions , pray right unchecked democracies usually end dictatorship remember , germany democracy hitler rose power absolutely certain nothing like could happen today \? ca n't speak organizations cited everywhere look society government , one see relentless movement toward one world government fact media values patriotism , nationalism clues fact economic strength americans prop former possibly future enemy another fact words like community nations , global village international business vogue others international corporations destroying economy propaganda playing media government powering ability resist border people trade already lost great deal line single evil aspect one world government nowhere run history proven would disaster beware liberal conservative moderate think
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject espn sucks ot baseball \? guess nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 10 showing meaningless \( relatively \) baseball game overtime game tied less 3 seconds left clock \? gimme break ! espn get brilliant decisions \? daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
howland noc2 arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject miracle california organization nasa science internet project office lines 23 waving fellow bikers stuff deleted first started riding street bikes told common recieve give wave fellow biker astounded moving left coast right coast , actually get waves harley riders ! , really ! remember first time truely memorable event might something refuse bring thanks , harley rider waves first curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject clipper chip key exchange methods nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 13 wanting ask question dan bernstein asked clipper chip exchange keys \? public key 80 160 bits long , anyone know public key schemes secure key size \? \( diffie hellman maybe el , p set constant value \? \) presumably , real scheme something like 1 exchange verify public keys 2 send encrypted \( randomly generated \) session key 3 encrypt decrypt voice sort fast stream cipher anyone elaborate , show i'm missing \? john kelsey , c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu
thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) subject kyle k rodney king reply thf2 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago distribution usa lines 31 article m15 news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes article c5lp0y fdk news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? i'm curious think particular adjective important black descriptive adjective describes mr king many newspaper , radio , tv news reports seen , adjective commonly front name never seen anyone complain use adjective used benign manner say mr king good black ! know mr king would make without evidence effect used purely descriptive adjective manner many \( \) news people used past one questioning whether mr king black question arises whether king 's race make police officers afraid hell statement seems imply cops different standard large black guys large guys general two posts later n't understand anyone pointed use adjective almost informative original use ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu i'm sorry , card says moops u c law school standard disclaimers
tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) subject hercules graphite \? organization software metrics inc lines 11 anyone used hercules graphite adapter \? looks good paper , steve gibson gave good review infoworld 'd love get real world impression , though speed \? drivers \? support \? \( looking something replace ati ultra \) tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo , ont stick index fingers corners mouth pull 's corrado makes feel car , january '93
subject window start position app , \? auck irl cri nz \( david white \) organization industrial research ltd , auckland , new zealand keywords app window , startup position nntp posting host kauri auck irl cri nz lines 15 1993apr19 ucsu colorado edu hayesj rintintin colorado edu \( hayes james michael jr \) writes set app give window default start position size \? try zip ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 84 directory ftp pub pc win3 desktop 's freeware also noticed program called zip , description looks like also want hope helps david white \( engineer , goon fan son dad \) internet auck irl cri nz fax 64 9 443 4737
dave watson watson maths uwa edu au subject delaunay triangulation organization university western australia lines 29 distribution world reply watson maths uwa edu au nntp posting host maths uwa oz au zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) writes anybody know delaunay triangulation \? reference \? delaunay triangulation geometrical dual constructions derived natural neighbor order , f , 1991 , diagrams survey fundamental geometric data structure acm computing surveys , 23 \( 3 \) , p 345 405 okabe , , boots , b , , k , 1992 , spatial concepts applications diagrams wiley sons , new york , isbn 0 471 5 , watson , f , 1981 , computing n dimensional delaunay application computer j , 24 \( 2 \) , p 167 172 watson , f , 1985 , natural neighbour sorting australian computer j , 17 \( 4 \) , p 189 193 dave watson internet watson maths uwa edu au department mathematics university western australia tel \( 61 9 \) 380 nedlands , wa 6009 australia fax \( 61 9 \) 380 1028
cain fsu edu \( joe cain \) subject keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization florida state university geology dept lines 4 discussion better followed talk politics space joseph cain cain fsu edu cain fsu bitnet scri cain \( 904 \) 644 fax \( 904 \) 644
subject n't innocents die without death penalty \? lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) distribution world , local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 21 article chrisb , chrisb tafe sa edu au \( chris bell \) writes killing wrong kill punish punishment kill seems lacking consistency holding people wrong hold people punish punishment hold punishment n't something , done private person another private person apparent reason , would lead punishment \? \( fines , suppose \) jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophy lippard arizvms bitnet university arizona tucson , az 85721
tomb hplsla hp com \( tom bruhns \) subject trace size 15 amp supply organization hp lake stevens , wa lines 34 acollins uclink berkeley edu \( andy collins \) writes thick need make pcb trace 15 amps current \? anybody thoughts process \( kind pcb use , materials , thickness copper , advice graciously accepted \) \? four replies , 've seen hard numbers , goes traces outside \( inner layers \) , expect , 1 oz copper , 15 amps , following temperature rises versus width reference data engineers , seventh edition , pg 5 30 , claims turn mil std width temp rise inches degrees c 125 100 15 75 17 60 20 45 24 30 33 20 10 amps , rise 125 width 30 degrees power goes square current , plus copper resistance goes temperature goes certainly 20 \( \) traces ample want 2 ounce copper almost cuts required width half \( 'd 2 oz 0 08 width , think given rated current 10 amps 15 transient fault condition \) \( 's another question voltage drop low enough \? able figure one wire tables copper keep traces short use separate sensing traces appropriate , mentioned another poster \)
ccu umanitoba ca \( helmut \) subject anti aliasing utility wanted nntp posting host murphy biochem umanitoba ca organization university manitoba lines 10 currently using povray mac wondering anyone netland knows public domain anti aliasing utilities skip step pov , slow machine suggestions , opinions post trace anti aliasing would greatly appreciated helmut dept biochemistry molecular biology university manitoba winnipeg , canada ccu umanitoba ca
silver ucs indiana edu \( brian \) subject new uniforms article usenet organization indiana university lines 37 nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu 1993apr5 636 virginia edu virginia edu \( todd karlin \) writes usually one two teams changes logo minor uniform change per season , past seasons incredible thoughts new \( old \) reds uniforms remember seeing pete rose rookie card , unless miss guess wearing exact mets \( performance today \? ! ! ! ! ! \) mets patch shoulder , changed mets front jersey knowledge first time changed since 1962 , reminds little dodger logo far know , toronto , pittsburgh , new york \( nl \) change uniforms every year every year \( e g , new york \) , say mets , new york , new york caps minor changes , change often last year , think new york caps toronto blue jays toronto last year \? pittsburgh \? many teams opted return previous style uniform , least uniforms look traditional \( phillies , reds , expos , white sox , padres , etc \) bright colors altered gray trend also seen newer baseball fields resembling parks early years , opposed cookie cutter throughout sixties hate gray opt color \( like white sox \) hate white team versus gray team spring training uniforms look much better salaries reaching unbelievable , one 's office , inter league play horizon , 's nice see baseball least looks like meant
netcom com \( mark earle \) subject pgp 2 0 vs 2 2 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution na lines 10 've seen pgp 2 2 mentioned mac platform use 2 0 ms dos 2 2 ms dos \? , site two available \( 'd need executables , although source would nice review \) fixed changed 2 0 2 2 \? thanks , netcom com finger pgp2 0 public key
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject eternity hell \( hell \) organization indiana university lines 98 article apr 13 00 09 04 1993 athos rutgers edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) writes insert deletion unnecessary quote notion god takes sort pleasure punishing people \? purpose hell destroy devil angels first , god take sort pleasure punishing people mercy mercy compassion compassion \( ex 33 19 \) however , enjoyed punishing people sending hell , would send jesus seek save lost \( luke 19 10 \) \? earlier poster tried support eternal hell theory fact fallen angels destroyed , remember bible teaches god reserved day judgement judgement soon come let suggest maybe believe eternal hell theory provide biblical evidence find stay away human theories , take account references bible asked 2 peter 2 4 ff talks ungodly punished matthew 25 31 46 also clear righteous god 's eyes sent hell eternity 2 thessalonians 1 6 10 states cause trouble disciples punished everlasting destruction shut presence lord 2 thessalonians 2 9 12 talks refuse love truth condemned revelation 21 6 8 talks difference overcomes , listed verse 8 , fiery lake burning sulfur revelation 14 9 12 gives indication follow beast tormented burning sulfur rest day night psalm 9 17 wicked return grave , nations forget god think sufficient prove point darius joe fisher following i'm mostly playing devil 's advocate i'm advocating either position concern people understand 's possible see passages different ways 's possible see eternal destruction destruction rev often uses term second death obvious understanding would seem final extinction problem nt speaks eternal punishment second death e uses terms understood either way concern convince one view , help people understand 's wide enough variety images 's possible understand either way tom albrecht commented , primary point best keep people eternal fire , whatever details \( make things interesting , luke 20 35 implies damned n't get resurrected presumably stay dead yes i'm aware 's possible understand passage non literal way \) 2 peter 2 4 ff talking angels , talks holding hell final judgement n't eternal matthew 25 31 46 talks sending cursed eternal fire prepared devil angels fact fire eternal n't mean people last flames forever particularly interesting comment fire prepared devil angels rev 20 21 talk eternal fire well say beast false prophet tormented forever talking people thrown \( 20 13 14 \) , referred second death sounds like extinction eternal torment possible fire different effects supernatural entities devil , humans \? 2 thessalonians 1 6 10 similarly , everlasting destruction \? necessarily eternal torment one clearly understood either way , think 's least possible think everlasting used contrast kind destruction occur life final destruction occurs eternity 2 thessalonians 2 8 talks destruction revelation 21 6 8 see comment revelation 14 9 12 probably best quotes even , n't explicitly say people suffer forever says smoke \( presumably fire \) eternal , n't say people tormented forever psalm 9 17 n't see says anything relevant issue clh
fossi hab weimar de \( peter \) subject radiosity keywords radiosity , raytracing , rendering nntp posting host fossi hab weimar de organization fuer und weimar , germany lines 17 radiosity sources wanted ! ! ! read comp graphics group , never found something radiosity anybody interested \? would glad hear somebody looking source code radiosity method already read common literature , e g foley think little examples could help understand radiosity works common languages \( c , c , pascal \) prefered hope help ! peter
colombo bronco fnal gov \( rick 'open vms colombo \) subject trains busses radar \? nntp posting host bronco fnal gov organization fermilab computing division lines 27 article usenet ucs indiana edu , mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) writes 1993apr13 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com \( haddock \) writes taking extended easter vacation , going north 45 somewhere , tx dallas , tx came upon train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly lanes appeared movement within cab curiosity slowed 85 get better look passed underneath trestle , radar detector went full alert lights lit chirps , beeps , buzzes going strong thought nailed good police could caused train 's radio \? n't know trains , 've saw sign back greyhound bus warns radar detector may set n't explain , set radar detector e net desk rick colombo cd dcd dsg fermi nat'l lab 708 840 fermilab p box 500 ms 369 feynman computer center batavia , ill usa colombo fnal fnal gov course speak fermilab , congress president ! ! !
rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( eric behr \) subject buying high speed v everything modem article rs6000 1993apr20 reply behr math ilstu edu \( eric behr \) organization central illinois surfing club lines 26 quick summary recent findings high speed modems top three contenders seem paradyne , zyxel , us robotics zyxel biggest cult following , 300 , ignored need something mac software , work without tweaking dataport earns nearly unanimous praises reliability moment , probably special 299 price effect may fax capabilities worse two modems warning ads say modem comes mac kit \( cables \) , lifetime warranty applies order directly paradyne ! called \( one distributors \) , wanted charge 16 cable , gave 1 year warranty usr sportster mac also highly \( highly \) recommended 's 250 , willing roll cable n't care software , get generic model pc outlets 190 assuming n't rich uncle , ca n't afford motorola codex \( ended ordering dataport 'll see works two weeks eric behr , illinois state university , mathematics department behr math ilstu edu behr ilstu bitnet \( please avoid ! \)
jsledd ssdc sas upenn edu \( james sledd \) subject intolerance eternal life etc organization social science computing lines 89 hi xian netters , god bless contents 1 intro 2 love neighbor 3 reaction posts purpose b eternal life 've reading news group religiously \) month sometimes really gives need , spiritually times get little irate kinds people every group take offense intolerance 's awfully hard tolerate people \) \( oops ! 've gone smiley quota already 's second paragraph \( imho follow commandment love thy neighbor leave judging god specifically one 's sexual orientation part one 's self love sinner hate sin apply pay attention love neighbor wether like 'd happy get flamed endlessly loose scripture quotation contests defend point beleive correct btw love sinner hate sin slippery slope , hatred bottom incredibly chopped post wo n't even try tell deletions came means jayne means dan johnson means eric article 28388 athos rutgers edu , jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) writes gsu0033 uxa ecn bgu edu \( eric molas \) writes free gifts meaning \( never quite understood god give life meaning , actually says exists x , gives purpose care accept , thing \? digress \) find dissatisfied little purposes manufacture little cosmic sense even greatest great long gone , historical worn wind , eventually turned dust mankind one day perish without transcends physical , without god , pointless end people able live , little purposes \( success , money , power , change , helping others \) suffice suppose never think cosmic scale , least able put minds , comforting know reality illusion true reality underneath physical spirit world school sorts , learn grow , souls mature gives purpose little purposes , takes pressure 's necessary make life success human terms 're really learn 's important progress , grow , persist , learn love others express love , especially 's dificult honest effort rewarded god , knows limitations live forever god ah , begin diverge live forever anyone \( n't think either , welcome opinion matter \) interesting theological question feeling common perception eternal life way base imprisoned limited ego mind doubt would choose would get awfully boring two serious questions invitations discussion 1 nature eternal life \? 2 mortals locked space time conceive \? possible answer 2 best metaphor analogy question 2a best metaphor \?
eastgate world std com \( mark bernstein \) subject jewish broadcasters \( jewish baseball players \? \) organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 8 matter , many gentleman press box jewish \? jewish sportscaster comes mind steve williams \( \? \) , phillies show philadelphia 80s mark bernstein eastgate systems , inc 134 main street watertown usa voice \( 800 \) 562 usa 1 \( 617 \) 924 eastgate world std com compuserve , 262 applelink eastgate
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject clinton president 's remarks town hall meeting organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 19 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) says president thank much , mr secretary kind working together 'll forgive little home state pride , want say special word thanks wal mart corporation , headquartered , arkansas , providing several hundred sites town meeting tonight bill start \? shaver ad \? tune next week
jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) subject nuclear site 's cooling towers \? organization dixie communications public access mouth south keywords nuclear lines 33 swalker uts edu au \( s87271077 walker man 50 \) writes wondering massive concrete cylinders ever present nuclear poer sites look like cylinders pinched middle anybody know actual purpose things \? hear 're called 'cooling towers' heck cool \? hope someone help actual hollow designed generate draft , exploiting effect around base ring water towers warm river water , coming steam condenser plant , sprayed draft pulled tower cools water sensible heat extracted cooling water driving force draft generation noted shaped cooling towers used nuclear plants also noted locations water plentiful , cooling towers used part time , discharge temperature would exceed release limit thought warm discharge water damaging fish fishermen know thoroughly incorrect , stringent , usually state , regulations remain instances since typically takes 60 , 000 hp worth pumping move volume water needed cool 1000 plant , cost using towers insignificant john de armond , wd4oqc interested high performance mobility \? performance engineering magazine \( tm \) interested high tech computers \? marietta , ga send ur snail mail address jgd dixie com perform dixie com free sample mag lee harvey oswald ya need ya \?
ncsa uiuc edu \( von welch \) subject motorcycle detailing tip 18 organization nat'l ctr app \( ncsa \) university illinois lines 22 article 1993apr15 hemlock cray com , ant palm21 cray com \( tony jones \) writes someone letting know motorcycle detailing tip 19 \? far side instrument panel scuffed previous owner dumped bike true one turn signals scuffed areas black plastic recall reading somewhere , plastic compound could coat scuffed areas , rub , ending nice smooth shiny finish \? may '93 motorcyclist \( pg 15 16 \) , someone writes using von welch \( ncsa uiuc edu \) ncsa networking development group '93 cbr600f2 '78 kz650 '83 subaru gl 4wd speak think exactly like
optima cs arizona edu \( \) subject wp pcf , linux , risc \? lines 54 risc means reduced instruction set computer risc usually small instruction set reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc hmm authority risc \) clearly remember reading instruction set risc cpus rather large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc things might interested know today 's risc processors true fewer instructions , commonly known causes size executables swell , cases performance similar larger applications compromise , many risc processors today actually cross reduced instructions set , complex one say future cisc processors , intel certainly proved want know , group \? dave subject wp pcf , linux , risc \? newsgroups comp unix dos unix , comp sys ibm pc misc , comp sys ibm pc net , comp os ms windows apps , comp os ms windows misc , alt uu comp os linux questions , comp apps spreadsheets , comp misc , alt os linux , comp os linux , man linux references 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au , eugene mpce mq edu au article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw \( ghhwang \) writes dear friend , risc means reduced instruction set computer risc usually small instruction set reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc hmm authority risc \) clearly remember reading instruction set risc cpus rather large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc people say 's fun , think 's serious eugene macadam mpce mq edu au dave siegel \( \) president , rtd systems networking , inc president , hardware computing knowledge society \( hacks \) cs arizona edu hacks arizona edu rtd com
subject albert sabin rfox charlie usd edu \( rich fox , univ south dakota \) reply rfox charlie usd edu 1993apr7 engage dec com 1993apr10 rambo atlanta dg com 1993apr11 zeus franklin edu , 1993apr15 225657 17804 rambo atlanta dg com organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines 71 article 1993apr15 225657 17804 rambo atlanta dg com , wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) writes however , one highly biased account \( well possibly internally inconsistent \) written 2 ago , dead language , fanatic devotees creature question supported objective sources isnt even accepted 's messiah creature supposed , n't convince slightest , especially many current day devotees appear brainwashed believing pile guano since referred messiah , assume referring new testament please detail complaints e mail n't want post first century greek well known well understood considered josephus , jewish historian , also wrote jesus \? addition , four gospel accounts much harmony bill , taken time explain biblical scholars consider josephus reference early christian insert biblical scholar mean expert , course research , willing let chips fall may excludes literalists , may otherwise defined biblical apologists find want find trustworthy scholarly standards \( others \) insert \? read , number times passage context , josephus , superb writer , problem elsewhere work passage nothing subject matter lies suddenly appears quickly disappears demonstrate scholarly community wrong josephus insert , proof meaningless repeated 's , even josephus happened legitimate , would prove nothing scholars speak weight evidence far independent evidence would required validate claim forthcoming , belief based faith 's ok , exceed rights pass faith fact gospels , parallels , also glaring inconsistencies contradictions n't perfect canon perfect \? n't absolutely room debate \? suggest read gospel , unauthorized version robin fox \( herb huston , known relationship , indeed share evolutionary ancestry \) fact inconsistencies , gaps contradictions deny position hand , neither gospels prove faith independent evidence necessary , know none \( already discussed , far provided \) , faith moreover , committed fundamental error logic attempted prove claim want prove different saying right say logic full circles reminds bit presbyterian general assembly assembly defined five fundamentals \( fundamentalist came \) orthodox protestant christianity , wit 1 \) jesus performed miracles , 2 \) jesus born virgin , 3 \) jesus bodily resurrected , 4 \) jesus' crucifixion atoned human sin , 5 \) bible inerrant word god inerrant broadly inerrant fundamentalists take first four literally true , validate literally inerrant bible , contains first four , thing known contain first four smoke mirrors hand waving ever ! faith , bill n't better truths anyone else whatever works n't others regards , rich fox , anthro , usouthdakota
thor surt atd ucar edu \( richard e \) subject xquerybestcursor semi broken \? organization national center atmospheric research lines 18 one asked recently used xquerybestcursor see could create given size seemed imply could , server create cursors size investigation showed x servers happily return size size root window , others return fixed limit reasonable size interesting thing server binary acts differently different hardware sun4 cg2 claim cursors root window size ok , sun4 cg6 stop far 've also seen behavior ncd phase x x terminals told also occurs hps actually , ncd even liberal sizes much larger root gladly returned ok xquerybestcursor semi broken behavior correct \? 'd really like see cursor ! richard thor thor atd ucar edu med national center atmospheric research sole box 3000 boulder , co 80307 3000 med 303 497 2057 inn
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject jews ca n't hide keith cco organization sgi lines 36 nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr3 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes article aaa fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr3 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes er , jon , ken said previously people like country unfortunately , jews survive sure sounds like ken accusing guy nazi previous posting deleted yes , yes perfectly fine rant , agree completely anything \? issue hand whether ken accused fellow germany nazi grant explicity make accusation , came pretty damn close certainly accusing guy would like exterminate jews , 's good enough poster casually trashed two thousand years jewish history , ken replied previously people like germany 's right also people formally nazis nazi party would gone nowhere without active tacit support ordinary man street behaved though casual anti semitism perfectly acceptable exactly n't understand wrote , n't see matter hand \? jon
ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) subject winqvt net v3 4 \? article ashok 661 0 distribution usa organization cwru school medicine lines 19 nntp posting host axa12 slip dialin cwru edu article 354 ocf llnl gov dave angmar llnl gov \( dave fuess \) writes earlier article newsgroup made reference winqvt net version 3 4 realy \? \? tried archie luck 's probably typo typo uploaded ftp cica indiana edu couple days back sure would like get one 's real printer problem winqvt version 3 4 uses standard windows printer drivers ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel \( 216 \) 368 3300 cwru school medicine , cleveland , ohio fax \( 216 \) 368 4544
virginia edu \( quinn \) subject questions newbie organization university virginia lines 56 life pass fail course , god grade curve \? i'm new , vaguely religious , want know people think specifically , infinite number heavens , person goes one deserves \? simply heaven nothing \( hell \? \) also , graded around us , always unchanging method \? person 's childhood taken account \? i'm sure must sound like , figure 're experts quinn eschatology area christians agree suspect 's primary source information prophets , writings tend highly symbolic however jesus' teachings gospels books revelation john talk primarily difference eternal life eternal death number occasions jesus say things imply sort , e g lk 10 14 number similar passages jesus says things like even xxx better judgement also , cor 3 talks someone gets heaven , skin teeth , passages normally interpreted suggesting separate heavens , much differing levels prestige punishment heaven hell \( christians would even go far \) christian group know believes multiple heavens mormons , far mainstream christianity \( far enough many readers would call christian \) ideas area involve specific mormon revelations , addition bible holy tradition generic christian sort note many christians cringe thought associating grading god whole point christ free us results test could n't possibly pass like test analogies , god grades strict scale , also cheats replaces test papers exam prepared teacher , actually grading people end heaven others hell , 's easy see 'd inclined think grading differences among branches christianity details , think agree one way another , god cheats personally sceptical anyone claims know exactly far god 's cheating extends accept people n't explicitly acknowledge christ , somehow still follow hearts \? many christians believe possible , least principle , certainly jesus provided us clear description saved , 's clear provided exact description 's going place dividing line certainly made clear ca n't expect know whether individuals saved clh
pfuetz igd fhg de \( matthias pfuetzner \) subject available memory xserver get actual size \? reply pfuetz igd fhg de \( matthias pfuetzner \) organization zentrum fuer , darmstadt , frg lines 78 hello ! article 1993apr17 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu , mouse mcrcim mcgill edu \( der mouse \) writes article 1965 igd fhg de , pfuetz igd fhg de \( matthias pfuetzner \) writes possibility determine via x protocol calls size free memory available xserver \? even could , answer could date even get \( even grab server , could taken buffering user actions \) try whatever want error indication insufficient server memory available der mouse n't much help ! especially phigs \( pex \) via supplied mit , much trouble together pex terminals n't enough memory ! performing following visual copyfromparent bg pix whitepixel \( display , defaultscreen \( display \) \) backing store event mask exposuremask background pixel bg pix graphic window xcreatewindow \( graphic display , rootwindow \( graphic display , defaultscreen \( graphic display \) \) , 0 , 0 , \( graphic display , defaultscreen \( graphic display \) \) , \( graphic display , defaultscreen \( graphic display \) \) , \( unsigned int \) 0 , 8 , inputoutput , visual , , \) xmapwindow \( graphic display , graphic window \) sync wait exposure event \( graphic display , false \) \( graphic display , graphic window , exposuremask , \) conn display graphic display conn drawable id graphic window xinfo display graphic display xinfo flags monitor 0 false monitor running ! xinfo flags force client ss 0 false ! \( null , 0 , info flags mon info flags client ss info display , xinfo \) ws \( 1 , \( \) \( conn \) , phigs ws type x drawable \) get core dumps ws call ! \( , etc ! simply core dump ! \) need way getting info available memory xserver ! thanks ! , matthias matthias pfuetzner work 49 6151 155 150 home 49 6151 6100 darmstadt , frg , 7 73 pfuetzner igd fhg de , pfuetzner uucp keith packard said r5 different r4 's changed release number \)
subject ide cable vacsc0qe vax csun edu reply vacsc0qe vax csun edu organization cal state lines 12 bought new ide hard drive system go one already problem system ide cable one drive , buy cable two drive connectors , consequently switch cables problem , new hard drive 's manual refers matching pin 1 cable pin 1 drive pin 1 ide card life cannot figure tell way plug cable align secondly , cable like connector two ends one figure one end goes controler two go drives matter plug master drive slave \? help appreciated thanks
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject ot valid \? \? \? \? organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 31 yuan yeh asks wonder ot exactly like jewish history part \? torah \? first five books ot torah \? \? \? \? \? yes , yes , yes jewish history recorded old testament shown archaeology kings , , temples , torah , far know , five books moses come prophets \( prophets , plus joshua , judges , 1 2 samuel , 1 2 kings \) writings \( psalms , proverbs , lamentations , ruth , esther , ezra , nehemiah , , song songs , 1 2 chronicles , job \) veracity isaiah , quoted moslem friend quite well known complete manuscript exists dates back past 200 bc , kept museum israel found among dead sea scrolls , greatly enhanced knowledge veracity old testament , date back around time christ , whereas , oldest complete manuscript hebrew around 900 ad moslem friend sorely mistaken , understandably jesus crucified , atoned sins , must god , death god could atone sins humanity isaiah predicts , messiah called mighty god god , must rose , st paul wrote , possible death could hold jesus rose dead , moslem friend would little reason moslem denies authenticity old testament andy byler
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject u holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization department redundancy department lines 47 's fault violation one rules avoid barf posting article genesis mcs com arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) writes article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact , intellectual content social value toilet goes know unbiased source nyt comes things concerning israel damned , spiking israelists , right , \? neither times trained seals responded thus far seem trained seals \? mean ones flap making arf , arf ! arf , arf ! sounds \? recognize statement private funds tax exmpt , american taxpayers put least 30 money , federal land mitigate offensiveness alien monument dedicated perpetuating continual flow tax money foreign entity \? mind , seem believe tax exemption equivalent government funding holy shit , batman ! us government one major supporters catholic church violation rules separation church state ! federal land tax money could used americans better yet , house homeless americans quick , bill ! churches give people ! anti logic apply mosques belonging described perhaps synagogues characterized \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
eck panix com \( mark eckenwiler \) subject capital gains tax increase loses money organization nwo steering committee distribution na lines 46 1993apr15 midway uchicago edu , thf2 midway uchicago edu sez article 1993apr14 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes , i'm saying long term investor \( ones likely large capital gains \) would foolish sell order avoid tax hike \) might disappear given year b \) overcome year two gains response \? people pay capital gains taxes long term investors enough n't huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised never said everyone would find advantageous said enough would result readily noticeable distort trends even brett 's eventual return figures correct clearly n't 'd still wrong cause '86 blip fails consider 2 basic factors 1 \) ted notes , everyone long term investor one might find oneself , late 1986 , anticipating expenses near term require selling holdings given choice waiting weeks \( taking extra tax hit \) selling december tax treatment , fool would choose former 2 \) fact brett construct post hoc calculations would beneficial investors many respects beside point plenty money style advice given unsophisticated investors late 1986 sell save taxes case anyone missed , shortage similar advice late last year \( nytimes , e g \) , even though advice based conclusion enacted law \( 1986 \) , merely assumption clinton would raise tax rates \( without capping cg taxes , contrary current proposal \) 's nice think investors always behave optimal economic interest like assuming , though , sort thinking often fails describe accurately happens real world moral always choose right sort parents start rough george ade mark eckenwiler eck panix com ! cmcl2 ! panix ! eck
cac owlnet rice edu \( christopher andrew campbell \) subject royals summary never organization rice university distribution na lines 12 article camelot camelot bradley edu \( richard \) writes b darkness deleted oh , lighten might actually finish last , believe n't happened since second season 1970 nope royals team majors finished last place course n't include marlins rockies good chance finishing last also rich
cleveland freenet edu \( uucp \) subject xwd gif conversions reply cleveland freenet edu \( shane thomas \) distribution na organization institute lines 14 hello , anyone know source code get either create window dumps gif format , convert xwd \( x window dump \) file gif \? really could format manipulate dos , e pcx , bmp , etc later , shane cleveland freenet edu uucp rutgers ! devon ! ! god bless pagans h simpson
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject integra gsr article cactus 1993apr6 organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx lines 57 article 1993apr5 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( \) writes article wisdom bubble org , wisdom bubble org \( j cochran \) writes 'd like add beretta gtz car kick gs r butt , 's lot cheaper boot comparing gtz gsr apples oranges , somewhat like mustang 5 0 crx , different ways things ought appeal different buyers , e , n't think acura owner would seen dead chevy dealership vice versa stuff deleted weather , mention integra rides alot better integra seen comes season tires gtz come much bigger 16 wheels along integra , car small 14 inch tires times also vary , magazine magazine road track car driver gs r 6 8 8 0 road track c figures almost certainly bogus based hot prototype supplied acura mt figures plausible also quarter mile times vary 15 4 16 1 16 1 sounds reasonable , probably faster regular , beretta handle integra certainly keep acceleration beretta probably higher top speed due horsepower advantage \( 160 117 \( hp torque \) integra vs 180 160 beretta \) always believe exact numbers , n't drive gs r , see self , gs r low 117 , high gearing 8000 gsr gearing horrible day day driving needs 6 speed box modern car essentially 5th integra equals 4th gsr , regular speed rpm make difference \( still would n't call torque though ! \) considering save almost 3 , 000 dollars beretta , quad4 reliable engine , n't make sense get integra person knew gtz bought back gm lemon junk , quick fwd quad 4 reliable , yeah , 's definition reliable 's reliable , safe say integra engines general near perfect gsr owner know engine throw rod less 5k miles , rare screw honda gtz gsr flawed cars performance enthusiasts would take gtz cr purchase would gsr craig
kevin rotag mi org \( kevin darcy \) subject conservative organization , \? \? \? lines 31 article 1993apr5 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( mark cochran \) writes kevin rotag mi org \( kevin darcy \) writes article 1993apr2 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( mark cochran \) writes sc allows restrictions \( term never medically defined \) physician ca n't make reasonable stab determining whether given fetus viable qualified perform abortion shows know difference determining viability individual fetus , providing universally accepted medical definition viability discussing universal definitions post , mark please refrain dragging irrelevancies agree statement physicians unqualified ca n't determine viability \? since know physicians qualified perform abortions , obviously medical definition viability employed case case basis , viability relatively easy determine 's good enough law , mark keep whining viability n't defined \? purpose whining serve \? kevin
waldo cybernet cse fau edu \( todd j dicker \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 36 ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes waldo cybernet cse fau edu writes ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes first never said holocaust said holocaust i'm ignorant holocaust know nazi germany people \( maybe including \) uh oh ! first sign argument without merit stating one 's qualifications area know something nazi germany , show n't , shut simple n't think suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians like anti semetic appreciated jews suffered wwii , beloved perished tortured suffered second , name calling directed , civil libertarians general name dropping fancy sounding political term yet another attempt cite qualifications order obfuscate glaring argument go back minors , junior humans suffered emotionally , jews many others suffered physically sad people like blinded emotions ca n't see facts thanks calling names , assures kind ignorant people dealing included letter since thought demonstrated point anything could write 're willing actually support something say fact argument rather covering inadequacies feigned offense , let know otherwise , back league , son
gjhsun \( george h \) subject octopus detroit \? organization michigan state university lines 17 nntp posting host gjhsun cl msu edu harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet writes watching detroit minnesota game last night thought saw octopus ice ysebaert scored tie game two gives \? \( custom throw octopuses ice detroit \? \) long standing good luck 's tradition throw octopus ice stanley cup game say dates back wings became 1st team \( think \) sweep cup 8 games lot throw one joe louis seats old balcony , though funniest ever saw tiger fans threw one field detroit toronto baseball game living california folks watching never heard hockey recognized octopus camera closeup ! !
panix com \( fritz mueller \) subject electronic parts nyc \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 18 hey moved nyc wondered electronics hackers could point places nyc sell individual electronic components \( switches , pots , transformers , caps , transistors , etc \) radio shack n't count \( almost selection , prices outrageous ! \) particular interest audio components \( amplifier ic 's , power , output transformers , tubes tube sockets , pan pots , , etc \) checked lot street canal street far luck missing places , looking wrong place , resort mail order \? thanks advance ,
aaron alleg edu subject sale borland c w application frameworks 3 1 reply alleg edu organization allegheny college please excuse inappropriate post , read groups normally see pc related marketplace newsgroups sale borland c application frameworks 3 1 \( full professional developer kit \) borland c programming package including unopened software , unopened manuals , registration card software includes 1 still plastic wrapped high density 5 25 inch disks borland c total 18 diskettes 2 individually wrapped packages , disk borland c bc app frameworks 3 1 label 2 amish system utilities windows \( one 5 25 high density disk \) amish launch amish desk utilities windows 3 lap 's 286 dos extender lite version 2 5 \( one 5 25 hd disk \) manuals include 1 still plastic wrapped manuals include \( e unopened \) boland windows api volumes reference guide ii reference guide iii windows 3 1 reference guide b borland turbo debugger 3 0 user 's guide c borland turbo 3 0 user 's guide borland turbo assembler 3 0 users guide e borland c 3 1 user 's guide integrated environment optimization command line compiler installation f borland c 3 1 programmer 's guide language structure , class libraries , advanced techniques , c g borland c 3 1 library reference runtime library , global variables , cross reference h borland c 3 1 tools utilities guide error messages , make , help resource compilers , borland object windows c user 's guide tutorials , class reference 2 opened \( plastic wrapping , \) manuals include borland turbo assembler 3 0 quick reference guide b borland turbo vision c user 's guide c borland resource workshop user 's guide package purchased former employee father 's father asked try sell since neither us use 749 , software houses approx 480 asking 400 interested , please e mail directly normally read newsgroup aaron alleg edu allegheny college , , pennsylvania
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject disks copy protected organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines 23 write good manual go software hassle manual offset simplicity purchasing package 15 also , consider offering inexpensive attractive registered users instance , coffee mug could produce mail incentive couple dollars , consider pricing product 17 95 're lucky 20 instances program use non licensed users best approach estimate loss accomodate price structure sure hurts legitimate users , bad retailers charge loss onto paying customers software industry unless product exceptionally unique , using ostensibly copy proof disk send customers bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject go hezbollah ! ! organization university illinois urbana lines 44 amehdi src honeywell com \( hossien amehdi \) writes article cjo news cso uiuc edu eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes amehdi src honeywell com \( hossien amehdi \) writes know israelis f16 \( thanks general dynamics \) fly high sky bomb hell village lebanon , civilians including babies getting killed , plain murder \? arabs would n't position guerilla bases refugee camps , artillery batteries atop apartment buildings , munitions dumps hospitals , maybe civilians would n't get killed kinda like saddam hussein putting civilians military bunker ed arabs since replying article assuming arab well , i'm arab , think brain full shit really believe said bombardment civilian none civilian areas lebanon israel consistent policy intimidation policy practiced called democracy middle east ! hell know israeli policy \? gives fiat look minds israeli generals \? published somewhere \? information , actions taken arabs , specifically plo , uncommon lebanon campaign 1982 brain full shit \? least n't look minds others make israeli policy ! merley pointing side also suffering like said , i'm arab , say lebanese , bet would defende homeland invader means yeah , yeah , yeah suffer 's bad civilians get killed blame arab leaders put positions danger blame israelis like palestinians send children throw rocks armed israeli soldiers irresponsible parents ! golda meir said , peace come arabs start loving children hate jews ed
sgberg charon bloomington us \( stefan g berg \) subject motorola xc68882rc33 rc50 reply sgberg charon bloomington us \( stefan berg \) distribution world organization organization x newssoftware grn 1 16f \( 10 17 92 \) mike schwartz michael b smith lines 25 article rosie uh edu st1my rosie uh edu \( stich , christian e \) writes installed motorola xc68882rc50 fpu amiga board \( 25 mhz 68030 68882 capability clock fpu separately \) previously mc68882rc25 installed everything working perfectly systems displays yellow screen \( indicating exception \) check presence type fpu reinstall mc68882rc25 system works fine , even 25 mhz work designer board mentioned putting pullup resistor data strobe \( 470 ohm \) might help , n't change anything anybody suggestions could \? look like cpu fpu communications problem particular chip dead \( pull , new \) \? moreover , place bought sending xc68882rc33 thought labeled mc xc \( finalized mask design \) \? , , xc68882rc50 math coprocessor , installed succesfully mega racer \( clocked 33 mhz \) tried fpu 28 50 mhz worked fine 33 cpu n't know fpu xc \( original 33mhz fpu label 33 \) , seems work fine system maybe bad chip stefan p mean experimental chip instead motorola chip \? \)
gd com \( joseph st lucas \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization general dynamics corp distribution usa lines 10 n't list 's said , hopefully repeating horizontally mounted oil filters \( like ford \) , matter hard try , spill half quart bottom car change \? joe st lucas gd com standard disclaimers apply general dynamics space systems , san diego work something keep busy ultimate games
jja2h virginia edu \( \) subject taylor \? organization university virginia lines 9 last year taylor ball , probably tampa florida state league believe began year aa albany hopefully george wo n't rush 'll allowed progress rate aaa bronx guy real thing jonathan uva
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject candida albicans \? organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 19 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article 1993apr19 1040 ida liu se davpa ida liu se \( david partain \) writes someone know recently diagnosed candida albicans , disease find information apparently something body 's production yeast time highly allergic yeast anyone tell \? candida albicans cause severe life threatening infections , usually people otherwise quite ill , however , sort illness probably discussing systemic yeast syndrome body allergic yeast considered quack diagnosis mainstream medicine book yeast connection talks illness convincing evidence disease exists david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
gnb leo bby com au \( gregory n bond \) subject old spacecraft navigation beacons ! reply nsmca aurora alaska edu 's message 21 apr 93 08 15 55 gmt nntp posting host leo gw organization burdett , buckeridge young , melbourne , australia lines 17 article 1993apr21 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes idea old space crafts navigation beacons \? \? use nav point need know exactly , means either nail something n't move watch time neither possible spacecraft know exactly far away may may possible hardware board apart , absolutely need navigation beacons gregory bond gnb bby com au burdett buckeridge young ltd melbourne australia knox 's 386 slick fox sox , knox 's box knox 's box quick plays lots lsl 's sick ! \( apologies john iron bar mackin \)
subject bungee dark module uploaded miavx1 acs muohio edu \( andrew bennett \) organization lines 17 hey folks ! moments ago , uploaded bungee jumper dark module widely talked time ago 's ftp cica indiana edu , pub pc win3 uploads , titled simply bungee zip sure set ftp connection binary mode downloading dark shareware freeware modules , please upload andrew andrew bennett miavx1 acs muohio edu planet \?
dirac phys washington edu subject need phone number western digital \( esdi problem \) organization university washington lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host dirac phys washington edu keywords western digital , esdi wa2 esdi controller rom bios v 1 1 working fine recently upgraded motherboard 386 40mhz , drive goes crazy making lots seeking sound even drive accessed course , hard disk controller errors symptoms disappear switch non turbo mode \( 8 mhz \) suspect timing dependent rom bios routines \( 's newer version 2 x \) could anybody help \? way , new mother board ami bios , 128k cache , 8 mhz bus , works fine old mfm drives \( dig \) \( also , appreciate much somebody send phone numbers \( tech support bbs \) western digital many thanks advance jay physics , uw , seattle , wa 98195 \( 206 \) 543 phys washington edu
john wa3wbu uucp \( john \) subject ati build 59 drivers good \? summary ati organization wa3wbu , , pa lines 22 article austin ibm com , larryhow austin ibm com writes stable build 59 drivers \? people success installing running \? 've using drivers 4dx2 66v several weeks problems i'm running windows software 've run worked fine includes many games cd based multi media encyclopedia , full motion video works fine 'd recommend give try john john , wa3wbu uucp uunet ! wa3wbu ! john packet wa3wbu
rik csc liv ac uk \( rik \) subject string widget resource converter organization computer science , liverpool university lines 52 nntp posting host csc liv ac uk anybody tell use xmu function want specify widget name resource file connect two widgets together ie however , run program , get message warning type converter registered conversion \( like manual sez \) managed find bit code seems correct way go static , \( xtpointer \) \( , core parent \) , sizeof \( \) \( , , , , xtnumber \( \) , , null \) however , n't got clue put ! example code seems suggest creating widget elsewhere says add widget 's class function \? 's one \? \( anybody code , please let know trick i'm sure faq thanks advance , rik ps header files h h use core h intrinsics h \( ok know rtfm \) richard dept computer science e mail university liverpool rik compsci liverpool ac uk liverpool 3bx england phone \( 051 \) 794
shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) subject riceburner respect organization office 'tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines 8 article c5qqxp ie1 cbmvax cbm commodore com , hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) writes duck squids n't wave , return waves ever , even excuse ignoramus , edu riceburner brain roid
tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe \( dwight tuinstra \) subject \( new \) reason clipper secrecy reply tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe organization sun microsystems , inc lines 38 nntp posting host signal ece clarkson edu apologies posting alt clipper , whatever , seems may newsfeed may another reason \( good nsa 's point view , horrible everyone else 's \) algorithm chip design might secret first , note experts look details , algorithm addition , respected experts outside government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip design \? well , 's possiblity addition encryption , chip pre processes voice signals make easier analyze electronically chip , widespread , might effectively part massively parallel computer voice us phone network \( criminal wrong thinking patrons thereof \) would n't put past nsa think much easier would make life indeed case , think possible public outcry become widely known thus secrecy might good idea experts dsp , voice recognition , ai conversation understanding panel , insist given \( \) design specs implementation documentation dwight tuinstra best tuinstra sandman ece clarkson edu tolerable tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu look , kid , 's something god knows , 're
bjorn b larsen delab sintef \( 369 \) subject question jesus alone , oneness reply bjorn b larsen delab sintef organization delab lines 31 dear fellow netters , time time term like \( something similar \) occurred posts group also know movement called something like alone ' believe trinity plans change , made aware least one person within church holds view trinity near future discuss item , feel shall ask , friends group , background information anybody tell basic reasons holding belief jesus \? vice versa foundations trinity \? shall appreciate quotes bible historical development thank , bjorn mail e mail bjorn b larsen bjorn b larsen delab sintef sintef delab n trondheim tel 47 7 norway fax 47 7
davewood bruno cs colorado edu \( david rex wood \) subject x error failed request badpixmap \( invalid pixmap parameter \) nntp posting host bruno cs colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 68 could someone please give guess simple little program causes badpixmap error fourth \( bizarre \? \? \? \) call \( \) \? code int 0 static void callback \( widget , xtpointer , xtpointer \) main \( \) \( \) xtappcontext app \( \) \( 1 \) int junk 0 display dis \( app , null , null , null , null , 0 , junk , null \) widget top \( null , null , applicationshellwidgetclass , dis , null , 0 \) widget box xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( x , , top , , 25 , , 25 , null \) xtaddcallback \( box , , callback , null \) xtrealizewidget \( top \) \( ! \) xevent event \( app , event \) \( event \) 0 \( top , \( \( top \) \) \) needed \? xtdestroywidget \( top \) \( dis \) static void callback \( widget , xtpointer , xtpointer \) 1 error get \( yes , 4th time try show box \) x error failed request badpixmap \( invalid pixmap parameter \) major opcode failed request 55 \( x \) resource id failed request serial number failed request 71 current serial number output stream 85 please respond via email thanks , much ! \( note realize program nothing useful , ultra trivialized version fo real library routine \) david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university colorado boulder
ks nt com \( shah \) subject question motif shell widget vuewm organization bnr distribution usa lines 16 dear netters , noticed something rather \( think \) creating dialog shell widget running hp vue 's vuewm reason , every time create dialog shell foreground colors different compared toplevel shell anything special different body know anything problem \? \? fix without g colors \? please respond cary nc usa thanks !
cbnewsk cb att com \( robert j brown \) subject human breast feeding myths reality \? organization summary experience three children lines 32 article tripos com , homer tripos com \( webster homer \) writes vnet ibm com \( robert j alexander md \) writes additional question long mother breast feed child \? friend mine still nursing two year old beneficial \? ex husband trying use nursing two year old proof unfit mother studies done breast feeding past year etc upon psychological health child \? web homer wife breast fed three boys 12 months , 16 months , 29 months respectively 18 , 16 , 10 years old respectively far everybody seems fairly normal noticed negative correlation ear infections length time small sample notice 16 18 year old seem eat lot , could breast feeding \) \? n't understand unfit mother charge tactic low folks divorce child custody battles developing nations practice breast feeding 3 4 years old screwed \? would much better could use cow 's milk commercial formula \? doctors \? bobby !
phoenix princeton edu ! carlosn \( carlos g niederstrasser \) subject ms mouse driver 8 2 originator news nimaster nntp posting host princeton edu organization princeton university lines 15 anyone documentation ms mouse driver 8 2 \? got got windows 3 1 , windows manual come documentation particular need know turn , speed outside windows greater sensitivity needed play various games , esp x wing \) carlos g niederstrasser two things infinite , princeton planetary society universe human stupidity , i'm sure former einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu ad astra per
lindae netcom com subject meniere real remedy \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 87 article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes article netcom com lindae netcom com writes biggest resentment doctor makes seem like people dizziness cured 's definitely case cases , like said , long , tedious process may may end partial cure sure say chronic dizziness , dizziness patients acute dizziness get better spells meniere 's also eventually go away , however , patient left deaf ear true good points anyone suffering vertigo , dizziness , variation thereof , best advice \( fellow sufferer \) keep searching n't let doctors tell 's nothing done research let may helped , i'm sure good general advice odds going find miracle research secret hidden general knowledge disease slim good answers , spending great deal time energy medical problem may divert energy productive things life limited amount spent assure doctor gave correct story , becomes clear dealing problem medicine good solution , perhaps best strategy join support group keep new findings make career well , making career bit strong still believe research , necessary would progressed much today , unless spent many hours stanford 's med library done 5 years ago , clear medicine would help stopped searching thank goodness n't found indeed medicine helps think 've said kind idealistic would go one doctor , get diagnosis , maybe get second opinion , move life example seen 6 top specialists field country , received 6 different diagnoses top names , ones people come country sort going support group \( fact , heading support group \) helpful , point , found unproductive much productive library research , make phone calls put together pieces puzzle recent movie , lorenzo 's oil , offers perfect example i'm talking n't seen , 's put doctor 's neither i'm saying doctors human much us intelligent able sometimes find missing piece puzzle might otherwise gone unnoticed guess i'm biased dizziness one weird things still unknown broken arm , weak heart , failing kidneys , might opinion 's things much tangible much concise definitions treatments dizziness , decide live decide live trying find way chosen latter linda lindae netcom netcom com gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject atari 2600 processors lines 12 anyone know processor atari 2600 used \? i'm looking th e pin outs atari 2600 schematics anyone idea could find related information \? also , rom chips used fo 2600 games still available , \? please email responces , important thanks million btw anyone works worked atari , could really use help old 2600 , please email willing help alot ! ! peter
aras csl ncsu edu \( aras \) subject polaroid range finder interference help ! organization etc organization lines 26 setup 13 polaroid would like fire three time 5 ms firings three fired fire direction explain situation , assume firing , b , c 5 ms apart normally see echo corresponds distance however , detects init line b ! detection actually transducer see faint signal transducer , exactly time init line b activated feel ground coupling causing interference came conclusion since using separate power supply b c anyone else problems particular units type experience \? suggestions remedies greatly appreciated aras aras ece ncsu edu ece department ph 919 515 north carolina state university fx 919 515 raleigh , nc
lars spectrum cmc com \( lars \) subject security clipper \? organization cmc network systems \( rockwell dcd \) , santa barbara , ca , usa lines 35 article zeev ccc amdahl com zeev ccc amdahl com \( ze'ev wurman \) writes seems discussions clipper security almost irrelevant cannot choose key , use key chosen , security whole universe users good \( bad \) security vlsi technologies inc handlers trivial effort run ciphertext agains keys ever manufactured talking 1 100 million keys ever manufactured key secure wish , nobody cares anyway \( key irrelevant order applicable law agencies able know keys request escrow , system serial number clear text part link establishment protocol whoever owns program assigns keys serial number wo n't need access key words , fbi may need court ordered release escrowed keys , nsa keys chip ever manufactured need go escrow try keys relations law agencies sometimes strained , also long history trading favors establish nsa important agency everyone get along , give untraceable encryption leaks without court orders think affair , smells 'd rather des engineered backdoor lars , software engineer internet e mail lars cmc com cmc network products rockwell int'l telephone 1 805 968 santa barbara , ca 93117 telefax 1 805 968
irwin cmptrc lonestar org \( irwin arnstein \) subject cultural enquiries organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 24 article sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes article aber ac uk , azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) writes two questions check local blue light special sale lives 1 \) rednecks called rednecks \? origin slang probably reference neck , often obtained performing honest work outdoors neck specified distinguish people , whose shirt protected chest back pale , elitist wealthy , , idiotic quest darker skin badge leisure time , overdo get full body like use backs instead minds make living usually ignorant intolerant anything outside group level understanding tuba \( irwin \) honk therefore computrac richardson , tx irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod 0826 \( r75 6 \)
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject gun like american express card lines 128 organization university tennessee division continuing education article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes abuse goverment seems one main problems harder gun control would abused goverment \( ! \) either little paranoid \( offence \) mr parsli , take exception verifiable , previous examples levels u governments abusing gun control restrictions n't think paranoid worry abused recent past might abused future many times getting burned sane person stop putting hand stove get new goverment \( elections \? \? \) 'd love long politicians grab power sell pork back constituents , 's lot 's silly suggest 's anything ca n't trust government , therefore government allowed , change governments road lies total government power 've never fan totalitarianism guns 'n criminals weapons used criminals today stolen likely known criminals buy weapons , 's one points gun control gun control strict whole scandinavia \( europe \) , dont problem smuggled guns north american continent europe , matter many people would like drugs illegal 're years canada gun control necessary control guns whole continent , canada always comparable rates u , yet still n't unless tell canadian border much magical mexican border \( shorter far heavily patrolled \) really ca n't accept argument mixing weapons things use one meant cars kill , guns ! , approximately 31 , 000 deaths due guns u , two thirds suicides \( unfortunately n't suicide rates norway \) however , makes per gun death rate half per car death rate issue \( hope \) think agree criminals main problem guns problem , way used \( \? \? \) think discusion interesting think \( ex \) weapons , 's rigth , use kill \( innocent \) people problem humans , guns problem 's humans since stone axes matter simply nobody ever assaulted anybody , whether weapon sort around would totally irrelevent yet weapons built 'd suggest , , murderous impulse humanity pre dates weapons anyway , bosnians et al making excellent attempt kill half thousand years taking away guns , even could , would neither halt killing reduce brutality 50 murders done axes , would impose regulations say ment used trees , axe problem , 's \? \? \( example , n't flame exactly 50 killed guns \) u , approximately 60 murders commited firearms \( 50 handguns , 10 non handguns \) reason say guns , per se , problem , non gun rate exceeds europe 's countries entire violent crime rate n't really think 've got knives fists case , think examples gun control applied u failures , like drug prohibition forms prohibition deal people , wo n't solve problem problem violent crime , n't concentrate tools instead vast majority guns never , ever misused \( order 99 5 entire lifetime gun \) says ca n't make argument gun causes misuse think situation los angeles people buying guns protect good situation \? \? situation good people fear lives recall scenes store owners last riots , protecting shops guns would better , , lost \? rigth way deal problem \? \? problem poverty rage los angeles , n't however , problem becomes violent action , yes , appropriate whether person hurt condition wo n't make less dead burn house examine problem 're referring 're discussing someone violently assaulting , perfectly legitimate response make stop \( hopefully simply letting know 're prepared shoot would enough , mentioned store owners \) everybody buys guns protect criminals \( neighbor guns \) think happen \? \? \( mean everybody gun usa \) 45 households form firearm , usually long gun accounts level access least 100 million americans firearm ownership likely among educated , well whites , group least likely involved violent crime may take 's worth david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject criminals machineguns organization computer science department , stanford university distribution usa lines 30 article 93104 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes people getting killed gang violence every day \? every single day hear people getting killed gang violence see weapons confiscated kratz claiming reliably visually distinguish 16 ar 15 \? see difference semi auto full auto uzi \? see difference various versions \( full auto , semi auto \) 11 9 \? , 'd love hear details , 'll demonstrate kratz blowing smoke considering one design gun looks like another gun , yet different properties , 's quite common kids neighborhood quite young figured parents car n't much like richard petty 's , even though looked like \( except paint job \) things must different kratz sure 's tv make difference \? , n't , 's irrelevant visual inspection outside worked , tv would acceptable , since n't , fact 's good seeing person n't mean much andy gave kratz chance back private
nj us \( tony \) subject filemanager strange sizes summary line organization lost space lines 32 1993apr21 bnr ca masika bnr ca \( nicholas masika \) writes noticed filemanager something strange recently usually , line bottom filemanager \( status bar , guess \) displays total disk space total number bytes current selection select whole bunch files , get exact byte count recently , notice incorrectly displays count 's ! select file , say , 532 bytes , correctly displays select select file 23 , 482 bytes , displays , 23 kbytes , 23 bytes ! select 893 , 352 report 893 bytes selection select meg worth files , say 3 , 356 , 345 reports 3 bytes ! 's 's got problem displaying 3 characters ! system 486dx 33 , 8m memory , stacker 3 0 , dos 5 , win 3 1 've run latest virus scanners \( , f prot \) n't report anything could unknowingly altered something controls formatting status bar \? sounds like something one may set 1000 's panel \( international \) makes 23 , 482 look like 23 482 file manager chopping thinks decimal part file size 3 , 356 , 345 becomes 3 356 345 , , file manager confused decimal points , chopping everything right first period tony nj us ci , 452 uucp ! uunet ! ! p k skip , captain usenet fantasy bowling league team 9
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 51 spacecraft shut funding cuts example , could n't magellan told go safe mode stay bobbing venus low power use mode maybe years funding gets restored economy gets better \( hopefully \) , could turned matter , exactly apollo lunar experiments turned rather political \( e along could used , someone would keep bugging congress funds \) \? turning keeps scientists bureaucrat 's hair 've heard argument active uncontrolled spacecraft causes radio noise find hard believe could problem properly designed safe mode safe mode could program routine causes spacecraft go least fuel using orientation , \( week , month , year , whatever \) attempts signal lock earth time , funding restored , mission continue signal recieved , spacecraft goes back safe mode another time period would know spacecraft going try contact earth , could prepared necessary another spacecraft could attempted contact beam stored data towards earth someone receive , great , , 's lost big deal making time signal location generally known , perhaps someone world might able willing intercept data even 're willing contact spacecraft see particularly useful spacecraft could otherwise long life going places otherwise \( jupiter saturn orbit , exiting solar system , etc \) perhaps designing future spacecraft \( cassini , pluto flyby , etc \) consider designing pause mode case spacecraft gets ax sometime future completion primary mission perhaps mars observer could kind routine written post mission drift phase holes \? \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) believe nation commit achieving goal , decade , landing man moon returning safely earth john f kennedy may 25 , 1961
thomas enblom eos ericsson se \( thomas enblom \) subject navstar positions reply thomas enblom eos ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 16 nntp posting host ericsson se 've read richard langley 's latest navstar gps constellation status states latest satellite placed orbit plane position c 3 already one satellite position know 's almost ten years since satellite launched 's still operation use goes \? instead place new satellite b 4 since position empty measure almost complete gps constellation \( 23 24 \) \? thomas ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden thomas enblom , another employee
mach1 wlu ca \( craig brown u \) subject stop former beloved damn ferigner 's taken organization wilfrid laurier university lines 35 article spss com spss com \( greg \) writes article junior de junior de \( juergen ernst \) writes never understood canadians , mexicans , etc accusing us people imperialism though think americans europeans think americans \( us bunch trash god sooner later \) would surprising continent produced fascism , communism , two world wars might quite people tend think people trash extinguished sooner later seem remember gut called hitler felt way one wonders would fate europe god extinguished nation trash 1917 \( believe gods \) many millions people world would die force could stop insane , bloody european imperialism \? thankfully us helped put end games rest world sleep alittle safely thus , could care less europeans think long ca n't anything greg opinions entirely remember god extinguished blasphemous trash europe \( imperialism \) , united states would exist today put end games begs question , came first , chicken egg \? \? \? c brown
random cbnewse cb att com \( david l pope \) subject riddle something else organization distribution usa lines 11 hand , wonder , face full massive amounts cs , would able escape burning tinder box like ranch house assuming best efforts ever happened kept hearing \? thought ! kgbatf knew , n't talking heads line start \? random
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject roe v wade distribution na organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 42 article watson ibm com , margoli watson ibm com \( larry margolis \) writes 1993apr3 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes abortions destructive fetus must permitted , even birth , promote supreme court calls yes , doug , know roe v wade prevents states prohibiting abortions necessary preserve life health woman stupid people \( \) confuse discussion mental health related jane doe , mental institution , attempt claim argument could applied woman decided wanted abortion bad hair day well know , facts 100 third abortions performed country annually , done serious health reasons larry margolis , margoli \( bitnet \) , margoli watson ibm com \( internet \) hmmm human period something like 39 weeks means third abortions done 26 weeks consulting 1989 world almanac , see 1 abortions 1983 done 21 weeks 's abortions 1983 21 weeks unless number abortions performed dropped dramatically , lot abortions done 21 26 weeks , think wrong way , roe v wade allowed states adopt , broad prohibitions third abortions , states , california , declined reported finally stopped third elective abortions bay area n't law , hospital ran nurses , doctors , willing surprisingly , bay area chapter terribly upset remain pro choice , pro choicers compare abortion clinic religious ritual church , start wondering bit pro life criticism abortion modern human sacrifice n't grain truth clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
reedr cgsvax claremont edu subject really rise \? \? \? organization claremont graduate school lines 9 article apr 21 03 24 13 1993 geneva rutgers edu , gt7122b prism gatech edu \( boundary \) writes material ultimately shows experience , modern jew known proselytism rabbi told theres tradition someone wanted convert judaism turned away three times continue accepted
helix enet dec com \( dave \) subject modified sense taste cancer pt \? keywords cancer organization digital equipment corporation lines 13 lack taste foods , sense taste seems eating foods someone cancer mean \? possible causes \? happen \? pt stage ii breast cancer , taking also stage iv lung cancer known cna , taking klonopin \( also cranial radiation treatments \) thanks ! doctor , trying understand family member 's illness
oasys dt navy mil \( martin \) subject 4 band equalizer reply oasys dt navy mil \( martin \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 15 wondering anyone net land knew simple way make 4 band equalizer \( single channel \) need accept line inputs \( tape deck , cd player , etc \) output ! input impedance equal output impedance also , since driving line , would need 1 volt p p output final requirement either 1 control digitally 2 control easily , resistors finally anyone knows filter equalizer chips , might useful , please let know \( seen couple national , maxim \) thanks advance , martin
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 11 distribution world reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) writes cleaners , 'll stick damn carpet nah nothing sucks like vax \) amanda walker intercon systems corporation
rubin cis ohio state edu \( daniel j rubin \) subject old 256k simms \? organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines 18 nntp posting host cis ohio state edu wondering people good uses old 256k simms bunch apple mac know lots people tried sell gotten interest hard would somehow interface popular motorola microcontrollers novice microcontrollers , starting get projects several 256k simms laying around upgraded macs could use free memory one two projects would great one project comes mind caller id device would require quite bit ram store several hundered cid records etc dan daniel joseph rubin rubin cis ohio state edu go ! go bucks !
murthy watson ibm com \( murthy \) subject bimmer vs beamer distribution usa disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host watson ibm com organization ibm j watson research center lines 12 article 1993apr18 newsgate sps mot com , markm \( mark monninger \) writes although direct response referenced article , set record straight , beamers bmw motorcycles bmw cars bimmers please , huh ! though beamers ibm employees \) let 's get terms straight actually , would argue true bimmer round tail light 2002 1600 mark
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject insane gun toting wackos unite ! ! ! organization computer science department , stanford university distribution na lines 38 article 1576 sdrc com sony1 sdrc com \( rob davis \) writes know many deaths year caused self inflicted gun shot wounds people wearing thigh holsters \? , several breakdowns accidental shootings 've never seen one specifically provides info davis insists , 'd love cite fall , example , land handgun cause sudden blow , gun discharge wrong 's one gun design happen , supposed carried hammer unloaded chamber \( gun turns cylinder loaded cylinder hammer words , carried safe manner \) handgun designs n't property trigger n't pulled , hammer ca n't hit firing pin number people killed manner far outweighs number deaths caused animal attacks wacko attacks combined breakdowns include category safely say davis right claims , large negative number people killed animals , know number killings wackos reasonably large number accidents due gun failures \( superset described circumstance \) near zero find figures n't believe please include cite us like looking context make sure source excludes types accidents suicides \( gun cleaning accident police speak family needs insurance money \) andy
keithh bnr ca \( keith hanlan \) subject insurance lotsa points nntp posting host organization bell northern research ltd , ottawa lines 16 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes well , looks like i'm f cked insurance dwi 91 beemer , rec vehicle , 'll cost almost 1200 bucks insure year \? sell bike car start taking bus way keep drinking seems priorities lay expect enough us list lost friends driving drunks collective sympathy somewhat showing great restraint , keith hanlan keithh bnr ca bell northern research , ottawa , canada 613 765
dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com \( dave medin \) subject pressure meter reply dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com organization intergraph corporation , huntsville al lines 21 model pressure meter precision 4 1 2 digit meter measuring 0 15 psi \( absolute \) 001 psi case extremely good shape , used stand alone meter panel mounted brass fitting \( looks like standard 3 8 \) back operates 110 vac 'd like 50 , make offer lot useful lab , 've using dave medin phone \( 205 \) 730 3169 \( w \) ssd networking \( 205 \) 837 1174 \( h \) intergraph corp gd3004 internet dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com huntsville , al 35894 uucp uunet ! ingr ! b30 ! catbyte ! dtmedin everywhere look \( least around office \) opinions expressed mine \( machine \)
technet sg \( tang chang thai \) subject interviews graphics package nntp posting host solomon technet sg x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 9 rene dutch student \( cern ch \) wrote i'm trying c graphics package interviews besides man pages classes , n't got documentation anything else around \? furthermore , anyone send \( small ! \) example program shows use classes together \? would might want try comp windows interviews
edb uib subject 77 's \? organization university bergen lines 13 article 1r23on 4p6 bigboote wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) writes need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated paul coffey detroit redwings
damelio progress com \( stephen d'amelio \) subject ford automobile nntp posting host organization progress software corp lines 19 eis calstate edu \( russel wong \) writes hello , name russell wong research project henry ford automobile need information whether ford partially responsible car accidents ya , cut 128 day , drives like crazy person 'd say 's responsible accidents , really pull licence steve 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 alan kulwicki 1992 winston cup champion 1954 1993 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
howard astro wisc edu \( greg howard \) subject planets still images orbit ether twist organization university wisconsin astronomy department lines 10 nntp posting host astro wisc edu actually , ether stuff sounded fair bit like bizzare , qualitative corruption general relativity nothing old fashioned , ether , though maybe somebody could loan gr text low level n't get much , tho whew greg
subject fifth amendment passwords pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) organization computer science dept university auckland lines 19 cs uiuc edu kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) writes crypto key disclosure issue n't come yet , current law suggests 's loser defendant 'll compelled turn key actually come \( week two \) nz 'll post outcome trial finishes \( could take months btw \) overall looks like ca n't forced reveal password , anyone provide convincing legal argument contrary \( ie actual court case \) 'd interested peter pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz p gutmann cs aukuni ac nz gutmann p kosmos wcc govt nz gen nz peter nacjack gen nz peter nacjack gen nz \( order preference one 'em 's bound work \) think ! \( \)
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 9 bena cs monash edu au \( ben \) writes n't forget , country would n't let russians buy apple ii 's security concerns 's nothing would n't let british buy inmos systems security concerns designed damn things ! mathew
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject braves pitching updatedir organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 28 grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) writes article murdoch acc virginia edu , david robert walker writes article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) writes one also separate offense batting baserunning , split probably somewhere around 49 5 0 5 'd give baserunning little credit , maybe 45 5 , even 40 10 give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats \( would n't unreasonable \) , even n't let roberto steal single base , 'll score lot oleruds going first third often \( offense , gordon \) would n't give baserunning much value meant comment time 's way baserunning could important , runs created would n't nearly accurate runs created usually 90 95 accurate team level , 's lot baserunning account remaining percent greg
caf omen uucp \( chuck forsberg wa7kgx \) subject new diet works great ! ! ! ! organization omen technology inc , portland rain forest lines 33 article pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) writes article 1993apr13 omen uucp caf omen uucp \( chuck forsberg wa7kgx \) writes weight rebound term used medical literature obesity denote weight regain beyond lost diet cycle number terms mean one thing provide reference substantiate gaining back lost weight constitute weight rebound exceeds starting weight \? oral tradition shared among obesity researchers \? one , two obesity europe 88 , proceedings 1st european congress obesity annals ny acad sci 1987 gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon chuck forsberg wa7kgx ! tektronix ! reed ! omen ! caf author ymodem , zmodem , professional yam , zcomm , dsz omen technology inc high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie rd portland 97231 503 621 3406
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject iranian azeri would drop atomic bomb armenia summary fool article urartu 1993apr15 organization p center regional studies lines 70 article 93104 oduvm bitnet farid oduvm bitnet writes farid support preservation territorial integrity farid azerbaijan independence russian rule , iranians farid includes millions azerbaijanis armenia retreat farid territory azerbaijan oh , \? prove quite interesting ! farid count iranian help supposedly counter turkish influence farid fatal error part armenia long armenia farid violation international law azerbaijani lands occupation armenia counting iranian help far violations international laws , international law gives azerbaijan right attack armenians karabakh \? farid armenian aggression continues territory azerbaijan , farid wo n't aid iran armenia also steps farid taken armenian army back armenia speak \? \? farid azerbaijanis iran policy farid scaring iranians turks russian power , experts present farid future military potentials people would put much farid stock power sole power region long ! ! ! well , farid , supposed experts expert ! russians non stop influence caucasus since treaty hmm makes 1993 165 years ! oh , see azeris iran going force armenians karabakh ! real good trick ! farid iran developing capability produce bomb farid reliable delivery system \( refer recent news releases farid regarding potential iran \) azeris iran going force armenians karabakh forcing iranian government drop atomic bomb armenians farid moral story , n't go invading neighbor 's farid home \( azerbaijan \) flash russia 's guns questioned oh , 's fine drop atomic bomb neighbor ! damn fool , farid ! farid \( marshal may eat words regarding turkey farid short years ! \) going drop atomic bomb russia well farid peaceful resolution armenian azerbaijani conflict farid way go armenia may soon find fruits aggression bitter farid indeed armenians take peaceful dropping atomic bomb example iranian azeri benevolence ! sir poor example iranian azeri ! ha ! think nice two day stay back 1978 ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org explain turkish troops p center regional studies armenian border , ca n't p box 382761 even explain 1915 \? cambridge , 02238 turkish mp , march 1992
kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( james f iii \) subject gui study originator organization delco electronics corp distribution na lines 33 article 1993apr23 mercury unt edu , seth ponder csci unt edu \( seth \) writes little like icons instant recipe imho system 7 undoubtedly worst gui used \( , , , x11 \) simply provide enough keyboard windows must confess quite like \( cover ears \) \) actually use without ever touch mouse stuff delete user rather making things easier always option way want , like unix x combination much 's customizable hear ! hear ! agree completely one thing ca n't stand mac interface shear determination force use mouse \( mouse breaks whole system ! \) like mouse handy cut past moving icons around , etc work , keyboard hot keys 10 20 times faster using mouse sure plus able something simple inexperienced user , long experienced \? month \? two \? \( speaking pcs moment \) n't think much ask window programmers provide menu mouse interface also look forward would like move hot keys command line interfaces , usually allows less time experienced equally applies windowing systems unix \( especially since unix least 500 powerful dos \) least 500 user unfriendly well !
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization express access online communications usa lines 10 nntp posting host access digex net article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes article steinly topaz ucsc edu , steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes cost effective use right accounting method \) sherzer methodology ! ! ! ! ! ! let never said opportunity missed put someone
cbnewsl cb att com \( joseph lam \) subject request islanders e mail list article cbnewsl 1993apr5 distribution na organization lines 26 article 1993apr3 cc mcgill ca ee mcgill ca \( mr \) writes article rpi edu wangr rpi edu writes anyone keeping islanders e mail list , could please add \? thanks advance u add onto list thanks rex count ! ! ! ! go isles ! ee mcgill ca please count also ca n't tell excited islanders beat rangers overtime last friday ! ! ! go isles !
wal hp com subject can't write 720 floppy organization hewlett packard waltham division reply wal hp com \( \) keywords write 720 lines 10 ok experts ! need answer quick 386 machine , 1 44 floppy unable write 720 disk machine claims disk write protected , note 'll read 720 's problem please e mail post
tmcconne sedona intel com \( tom mcconnell \) subject motif vs athena , etc organization intel corporation lines 44 distribution world nntp posting host thunder intel com originator tmcconne sedona article kirk bu oz au , bambi kirk bu oz au \( david j hughes \) writes berry citr uq oz au \( andrew berry \) writes ports motif 386bsd linux available fee 100 cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity bsd linux news groups pertaining motif high wonder also cause divergence commercial non commercial software \( ie get free software using athena openlook widget sets , get commercial software using motif widget sets \) ca n't see every workstation come motif default buy 100 free unix platforms , ca n't see causing major problems let add another concerns yes , buy port motif cheap , cannot get source cheap , hence limited using whatever x libraries motif port compiled \( least older versions motif told motif 1 2 used x , seen \) currently , x11r5 running eight different unix platforms , three came motif three , unable use x11r5 libraries build motif clients , get link errors vendor supplied port motif x11r5 anticipate problem x11r6 becomes available result cannot build motif clients rely x11r5 , since motif compiled x11r5 true , could buy another port motif , sort ruins whole idea free , n't \? cheers , tom mcconnell tom mcconnell internet tmcconne sedona intel com intel , corp c3 91 phone \( 602 \) 554 8229 5000 w chandler blvd opinions expressed one chandler , az right mind would claim
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double stan organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 40 daniel segard \( dsegard nyx cs du edu \) wrote lot stuff deleted matter , stay biblical call omar \( feast first fruits \) torah commands observed day following sabbath passover week \( sunday name modern \) much objection observing resurrection 1st day week actually occured \? jump calendar way easter \? go sunday following passover way bible \? seek methods \? fact , reason easter jumps calendar lunar holiday , solar one , thus falls wide possible span times times easter fall passover easter linked equinox beginning spring deletions question easter \( whore goddess \) \? celebrating resurrection keep whore discussion obsession term whore clouds argument whore value judgement , descriptive term deletions overall , argument illustration fallacy \( see j p semantics nt greek \) idea true meaning word lies origins linguistic form fact , experience demonstrates meaning word bound used , came modern people would make connection whatsoever easter ishtar daniel , meaning highly meaning , one needs much refutation revdak netcom com
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject tapped , code good originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca distribution na lines 21 graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes actually , completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw away academic respectability like looks like major career limiting move people know 's saying take seriously i'm sure major limiting move academic circles 've seen , arguing increased government intervention management almost always plus \( least usually means high paying jobs academics advisors \) also consider looks like denning decent nsa government connections , always plus academic institute wants government funding work tossed way despicable , yes career limiting , well , publicity probably outweighs drawbacks whole bunch people think whole thing keen 's going used drug dealers , child pornographers , terrorists , well must good p truth hard find harder obscure
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks review part 5 left wings organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 113 nntp posting host apple com nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes 8 larry depalma season 3rd acquired '91 92 , free agent minnesota grade \( c \) netter fan watching sharks , including , knows depalma end season sharks appeared still rights , n't san jose , n't kansas city , name n't appeared waiver wire sorry , nelson , forgot ask check stats kansas city , 'll find larry playing games , played 8 games period covered stats 3 26 4 16 issue \( 1 3 4 13 pim \) exactly invisible sent kansas city , walked , suspended later revealed injured promptly disappeared watching eyes shark bytes \( mailing list known sharks officials \) faithful , neither sharks miss well , gotten chance talk times , n't quite accurate injured back \( disk injury \) one stupid thing , hide sharks tried play knew bubble sharks sent k c , point disclosed injury since n't disclose , sharks disagreed responsibility suspended reporting eventually worked , sharks injured put therapy , able play shipped k c fully expects play nhl , although clearly sharks \( hiding injuries stupid , beyond \) nice guy always butt disappeared hurt expect 'll surface another team point \( probably another expansion team \) , likely bubble player rest career good work ethic good getting players motivated unfortunately , played sharks future bad judgement call 20 john carter season 4th acquired '91 92 , free agent boston grade \( b b \) unlikely back next season always gave 110 , best work ethic club \( except maybe kisio \) , hustle n't always enough future sharks made clear one night flames went behind crease tried hold joel otto board literally one arm around otto 's neck another wrapped around otto 's stick arm otto casually turned around fed puck front crease goal , though carter n't hustle cover size far sharks told , point blank , 's gone good \( ditto \) one favorites staff , one said make room kids carter , fact , refused report k c suspended sharks might retirement , n't heard anything official hope hockey gulls 28 jean francois quintin season 1st acquired '91 92 , minnesota dispersal draft grade \( b b \) n't understand sharks n't let quintin play 14 games played season , least games saw , looked fairly lost ice think shows potential , n't think quite ready make jump nhl solid contender regular duty next season agreed \( btw , still think lot grades based wish 'd performed actually performed wonder whether really judge talent radio television , nelson \? know trouble , since n't see puck action views home views ice differ numerous ways \) 41 mark beaufait season 1st acquired 2nd round pick 1991 supplemental draft grade \( \? \) star season kansas city , beaufait got cup coffey coffee coffey red wings 45 dody wood season 1st acquired 3rd round pick 1991 entry draft grade \( , although perhaps n't give grade \) accused knocking wood much \? nah seriously , even tough guy \( rep \) however , games season point meaningless , hate judge talent quickly dody 's case , tempted make exception wo n't chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
infoserv com \( george carter \) subject someone know news group ieee reply infoserv com distribution usa organization lines 11 x newsreader helldiver 1 07 \( waffle 1 64 \) 1993apr19 usl edu yxy4145 ucs usl edu \( yu \) writes yxy4145 usl edu thanks lot ieee general ieee announce frequently used groups
csv warwick ac uk \( mr p simmons \) subject religion religion \? organization computing services , university warwick , uk lines 46 family never particularly religious singing christmas carols limit thus 've never really believed god heaven , although n't actually believe n't exist either i'm sort , probably like lot people guess lately 've thinking lot , wondered religious people convinced god feel though want believe , i'm used believing things without proof ca n't believe definitely n't god , ca n't definitely believe wondered brought religious families never believed different anyone help understand belief faith god strong another question frequently crosses mind religion correct \? \? choose religion , know christian god exists gods religions n't \? \? feel people follow religions \? \? atheists \? \? people like agnostics suppose respect religion , accept beliefs valid \? \? n't contradiction religions \? \? religion valid others \? \? less respect someone 're religious , follow different religion would christian \? \? also , much scriptures correct \? \? events bible really supposed happened , supposed stories morals showing true christian behave \? \? generally follow christian ideas , suppose fairly universal throughout religions killing , stealing , etc , want better expression part find hard actual belief god finally , god 's attitude people like , n't quite believe , generally fairly 'good' people surely believing n't make worse person \? \? , find wondering strongly want really believe , find religion sorry bit writing ideas came head i'm sure probably repeated bit thanks help , paul simmons 's enough discussion evidence christianity recently may prefer respond via email rather posting clh
phil flex eng mcmaster ca \( phil nguyen \) subject unsubscribe mailing list keywords unsubscribe nntp posting host flex eng mcmaster ca organization mcmaster university , hamilton , ontario , canada lines 20 try unsubscribe group sending email n't work could one tell listserv address command \? leaving friday \( 30th april 93 \) mail box overflow soon thanks philip nguyen research engineer flexible manufacturing research development centre \( \) mcmaster university 1280 main st west hamilton , voice \( 416 \) 529 7070 ext fax \( 416 \) 572 e mail phil flex eng mcmaster ca
nosc mil \( kelly j grant \) subject strange 386 enhanced behavior keywords 386 enhanced , paradox organization computer sciences corporation lines 45 howdy real problem ast 386sx 16 machine 4mb ram installed paradox windows , \( n't think paradox real problem \) , installation went ok \( windows installed local drive , paradox installed novell network \( netware 386 v3 26 greater \) , dos 5 , win 3 1 \) program load 386 mode thermometer bar goes 60 either get command com' windows talking illegal instruction 've checked command com thing , long time c programmer , 've crashed share machines pointer problems standard behavior \) anyway , paradox run standard mode , enhanced also quattro pro windows , exhibiting behavior spent 2 hours borland 's tech people , avail guy talked microsoft n't want really dig help , gave pretty quickly somewhat disappointing , really expected microsoft 'd think millions windows installations would seen possible problems , guess microsoft sent us 13 page fax fixing uae general protection faults \( sorry , ca n't fax anything please n't ask , try microsoft \) , tried everything said , still luck help , please mail problem driving us nuts greatly appreciate information anyone pass thanks kelly real signature please ignore following demon signature kelly j grant nosc mil hancock st \( 619 \) 225 next time someone asks san diego , ca god , say yes ! \) kelly grant manta nosc mil \( 619 \) 553 computer sciences corp important manta uucp wo n't get hancock street given lemons see trade san diego , ca chocolate
fish stx com \( john \) subject anybody patched version tvtwm \? \? \? organization nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt , md usa lines 19 read code put applications virtual desktop stuff tvtwm n't confuse \( application confusing virtual ness \? chicken egg \? wanted see applied version never could quite get ssetroot work either \? suggestions luckily xv root quit trick part also , quite interested hearing icon region virtual window tvtwm read thread last week thanx , fish john r internet fish gsfc nasa gov nasa gsfc hstx vox 301 513 1683 run , run , catch sun , 's sinking , racing around come behind rw dg
halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) subject inimitable rushdie \( anecdote islam reply halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) lines 37 article ursa bear com , halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes 'd precise rejection god leaving islam one perfectly free muslim doubt question existence god , long one reject god sure rushdie made atheism clear front sufficient number proper witnesses question regard legal issue status time crime committed 'll also add impossible actually tell one rejects god therefore , choose punish talk jim halat
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject need clipper cheap security \? lines 25 chips perform voice compression expansion ca n't expensive , exist many phones connected line cards , well lot equipment compresses voice grade circuits save cost long distance , satellite circuits ca n't remember generic term chips impression big deal 10 years ago , circuits gotten cheap n't done much get 6 1 compression 8 bit samples squeeze v32bis played around lossless program last night , managed 2 5 1 've got celp code 's obvious runs real time think 's proof concept code , mucking file formats put sample looks like current option use voice mail modem built dsp chip hardware means two modems system , putting cost 600 upwards ouch maybe soon 'll able software high powered games consoles n't 3do acorn risc machine inside \? cpu runs like shit shovel nicely mass market g
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject gun like american express card distribution usa 93104 231 1993apr15 27322 csd newshost stanford edu lines 44 article 1993apr15 27322 csd newshost stanford edu , andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) says article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu points well taken things n't considered really familiar enough handguns 's kratz n't know hell , glock last thing switched thing know glock lack real safety sure little thing trigger n't great safety know kratz n't understand safety supposed \( also confuses things see things exist glocks multiple safeties even though one visible outside \) excuse know safety supposed 's basic purpose let gun fire 're ready christ , 've known since first air gun n't know n't make assumptions know n't know know glock multiple safties reports , looking gun shop , friends one safety supposed keep gun going unless 's user wants glocks , one says want gun go pulling trigger safeties make work , real safety , matter kratz thinks andy things read heard glocks always knocked trigger safety supposedly harder learn use properly every article read ca n't wrong damn thing n't ask quote sources n't keep ton gun magazines rec guns articles laying around boy , ca n't make simple statement without someone getting right ass wonder many problems world everyone takes everything little seriously way , i'm going reply stuff anymore someone made good point discussion getting close r g \( yes know something \) jason
vma cc nd edu subject hate filled newsgroup ! ! ! ! organization bullwinkle fan club lines 5 group real \? honestly ca n't believe expect concerns taken remotely seriously behave way forum discussion n't ever occur write letters like majority group 're mind hypocritical \?
rowlands nosubdomain nodomain \( jon rowlands \) subject gray levels screen nntp posting host hc ti com reply rowlands hc ti com \( jon rowlands \) organization texas instruments , spdc , dsp technology branch , dallas lines 51 article cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes article 1993apr5 kpc com hollasch kpc com \( steve hollasch \) writes think 're proposal would work get extra one , maybe two extra bits color resolution however , display zero full intensity primary , n't think 'd get great equivalent 24 bit photographs suggested wrote problems , problem clearly visible 7 bit b w images mention 24 bit images description experiment deleted 1 bit images viewed quickly sync screen , 100 intensities could better dunno deleted case , getting black color slow machines problem could try 8 bit screens n't know render pixels x constant time recall double buffer image color one b w n't help either maybe dump photos screen low level code \? years ago friend took 256 grey level photos 1 bit mac plus screen using method displaying 256 levels synchronized 60hz display took 10 seconds experimenting different aperture settings screen found range worked well , giving respectable contrast quality images pretty good visible contrast bands minimize exposure time display program built 255 different 1 bit frames first contained dot pixels value 255 , second pixels value 254 , etc frames stored using sparse data structure fast onto screen sequence creating frames sometimes took 5 10 minutes old mac , camera shutter closed time anyway yes , wrote directly screen memory mea culpa biggest problem small images displayed top left corner screen instead center took extra week film developed printed , processors took trouble manually move images center print 'd guessed \? regards , jon rowlands
acpub duke edu \( chuck \) subject bill america clinton strikes summary repost alt rush limbaugh distribution na organization duke university durham , n c lines 31 nntp posting host acpub duke edu wam umd edu \( busch \) writes argument sounds stupid ability make guns simple easy , drug dealers would make would n't \? \? \? spend hundreds dollars buying gun somebody else made cheap selling \? \? \? simple truth matter , regardless easy make guns , banning guns reduce number new guns impede efforts killer intent buying weapon show tools argument ever seen take analogy computer science almost every computer science major write wordprocessor yet \( comp sci majors \) would willingly pay 3 400 bucks professional software like wordperfect n't write software \? \? \? highly ! ! ! guns secondly one get gunpowder home made gun \? \? \? take quick trip local 7 eleven \? \? \? guns really simple make bosnian muslims would happy people \( case tools banned bosnia \? \? \? \( deep sarcasm \) \) well two cents resume reading post people must make living stand comedy end forwarded material , rubber beneath brilliant lights headed dreams 'd nights crowd ball descended would grant wish \? doubt casey 's mind , knew !
goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) subject buslogic 542b questions nntp posting host utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 12 beta support buslogic cards included os 2 2 0 longer \? rather disappointing wish install beta cd rom , need rem adaptec device drivers , nasty tendency crash buslogic cards os 2 attempts use \( thanks adaptec ! \) yep 's cause latest \( presumably future \) adaptec drivers look string adaptec something effect cards bios
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject receiver system keywords telemetry , receiver system organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines 22 one thing consider time division multiplexing emg channels reduce number rf carriers generate multiplexed emg inputs , would probably sufficient physiology studies \( 'd 330 hz per channel sampling rate \) level analog multiplexing rather easy accomplish combining lot rf carriers pretty tricky without generating system carried runner fairly harsh environment would probably difficult keep balanced commercial hand held transciever could probably employed little modification accomodate bandwidth obviously , done accordance whatever laws govern use location bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
heath athena cs uga edu \( terrance heath \) subject nature god \( environmentalism paganism \) organization university georgia , athens lines 26 article apr 12 03 42 49 1993 athos rutgers edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes would like see christians devote bit less effort bashing paganism figuring present gospel pagans christ answer pagans lot right questions unlike , deny need spirituality one things find pagan beliefs belief feminine deity well masculine deity brought christian household , often wondered god father , mother \? everyone know father usually mother seemed rather unbalanced fortunately , personal theology , probably fall line lot others , recognized god without gender qualities , masculine feminine force provides sense balance find sorely lacking , lack think responsible lot unbalanced ways see world treat terrance heath heath athena cs uga edu comfort silence ! ! ! ! ! act ! fight back ! talk back !
arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) subject 'pill' deer hunting organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 16 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes new planet \? everything dependent either public political opinion , usually political imagine inalienable 'rights' somehow wired vast cold cosmos purest egotism dangerous delusion hold truths self evident , men created equal , endowed creator certain rights , among life , liberty , pursuit happiness declaration independence 4 july 1776 aaron arc cco caltech edu
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject political atheists \? organization sgi lines 31 nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes well , chimps must system live social groups , must laws dictating undesired behavior , must laws \? quotation marks enclose laws , must oh , \? exactly quotation marks enclose laws , must case n't notice , 's function must wish rules , even instinctive ones ones , etc , surely sort random chance would lead society chaos perhaps chimps failed evolve cooperative behaviour died , left ones evolve behaviour , entirely chance going proclaim natural morality every time organism evolves cooperative behaviour \? natural morality bee dance \? jon
dsg cs tcd ie \( sylvain \) subject fpu se \( probably dumb question \) organization dsg , dept computer science , trinity college dublin lines 11 possible fit fpu mac se \? \( se 30 , plain old se \) possible , would get speed increase \? would reference chip \? thanks advance , sylvain r , phone \( 353 1 \) , e mail dsg cs tcd ie distributed system group , o'reilly institute , room f 35 , fax \( 353 1 \) department computer science , trinity college , dublin 2 , ireland ask 18
ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 52 article 1993apr16 212441 34125 rchland ibm com , ricardo rchland vnet ibm com \( ricardo hernandez muchado \) writes article 1993apr15 164940 11632 mercury unt edu , sean mcmains mcmains unt edu writes ricardo , animation playback lawrence referring earlier post plain old quicktime 1 5 compact video codec 've seen digitized video \( apple 's early commercials , precise \) running centris 650 30fps nicely \( 16 bit color depth \) would expect using algorithm , risc processor able approach full screen full motion animation , though 've implied , processor taxed highly dynamic material sean , n't want get 'mini war' going say , little bit skeptic performance claiming centris , 'll see \( please , flames , reserve c \) \) chicago last consumer electronics show , apple booth walked , showing real time video capture using \( supermac \? \) card digitize make right spot quicktime movies think quicktime using old one \( 1 5 \) fact current version \( came december \) digitized guy talking something played back quite nicely real time guy expanded window \( resized \) \( 320 think \) frame rate decreased enough notice n't 30fps \( 30fps \) anymore dropped like 15 fps increased bit , dropped 10 12 fps asked mac using using quadra \( n't know model , 900 \? \) , telling guys quicktime could play back speed even lcii well , spoiled claim say , since 68040 quadra mac little bit trouble n't even hardisk ! memory ! test movie created 320 240 resolution , n't scaled scaling cpu intensive operation original quicktime \( 1 0 \) current version ratios like 4 1 \( 160 120 320 240 \) , even , i'm prepared believe performance n't good playing back actual 320 240 movie n't done numerical measurements scaled playback lawrence d'oliveiro fone 64 7 856 2889 computer services dept fax 64 7 838 4066 university waikato electric mail ldo waikato ac nz hamilton , new zealand 37 47' 26 , 175 19' 7 e , gmt 12 00
keith w johnson tek com \( keith w johnson \) subject viewsonic 17 experience sought \( vs 17 vs nec 5fg \) organization tektronix , gpi nd info services lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host wv tek com 'd appreciate email post positive negative experience monitor , especially compared nanao 550i 'd summarize got multiple responses bought viewsonic 17 use home week took back felt money nec 5fg use work much better monitor nec sharper , flatter , less distorted , stable heard complaints people nec fg series quality control problems mine use year problems nothing really broken viewsonic overall match used ati graphics ultra setup mode push frequencies limits viewsonic exhibited problems nec personally like non nec filter tube 17 nice 17 edge distortion problems also , would change brightness switched modes constantly fiddle controls yoke crooked way compensate raster tilted downhill postive side , although handsome nec , 17 smaller footprint heavy heard panasonic owns viewsonic model 17 sold oem channels panasonic label 's available way lower cost could get serious nec vote i'm searching one new , cheaper , nec 5fge 's see 's good older brother 5fg decide one buy experience nanao never keep nanao models straight n't place walk get good comparison models standard employer disclaimers apply keith w johnson tektronix , gpi nd info services , wilsonville , , usa internet keith w johnson tek com voice 503 685 fax 503 682
eylerken stein u washington edu \( ken \) subject stand alone editing suite article shelley distribution world organization university washington , seattle lines 12 nntp posting host stein u washington edu need help upgrading animation video editing stand looking different type setups b roll cuts station would like controlled computer \( brand doesnt matter maybe mac , amiga \) low end high end system setups would helpful system use system might use , could mail system requirements , used , hardware software necessary set system need info , mail eylerken u washington edu thanks advance ken eylerken u washington edu
robert xenon stanford edu \( robert kennedy \) subject solar battery good \? organization computer science department , stanford university lines 12 've seen solar battery boosters , seem come without guarantee hand , 've heard people use success , although yet communicate directly person tried one \? experience \? use \( occasional charging , long term leave weeks , etc \) \? robert kennedy robert kennedy \( 415 \) 723 \( office \) robert cs stanford edu \( 415 \) 322 \( home voice \) computer science dept , stanford university \( 415 \) 322 \( home tty \)
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject blast next time x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept distribution usa lines 35 article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu \( daniel oldham \) writes happened waco fault batf would proper equipment personal could captured compound initial assault none would happened batf needs people , better weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able use force instead retreating stand going job right batf protect us must proper equipment people job wod increased crime streets batf needed ever blast away good fokes price pay law order country look good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed hit compound mega fire power could gone blasting killed women kids would better letting burn death 51 days later hope way noble federal enforcers blown away accidently governments goons would cheer death 25 \? sort person served death camp guard rod anderson n0nzo acceptable substitute boulder , co brains silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo ao 16
rosa ghost dsi unimi \( massimo rossi \) subject 3d studio works changes ! ! ! ! organization computer science dep milan university lines 28 hi guys like people group i'm fans fractal render sw favourite fractint pov 2 0 listen ideas starting able use quite well i'm full animation f1 grand prix lap \( 10 \? \) i' interested kind prj 3ds concerning cars parts \( motors wheel \) \( dxf good enough \) anyone object give complete hard animation anyway exchanges object material project ! ! ! ! ! ftp site find \? i' looking pov files \( 'm interested cpu time comparision rendering images pov \) thank email rosa ghost sm dsi unimi
bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) subject guns gone good riddance ! organization boeing commercial airplane group lines 13 iftccu talk politics guns jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu 3 34 pm apr 18 , 1993 surrender arms soon enough , officers around collect resistance useless overwhelm one time listen buddy , 're going quote star trek get quote right resistance futile get right next time \) sounds like quote perhaps read widely instead watching idiot box rick
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject warning \( please read \) organization university illinois urbana lines 33 tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu \( erik velapoldi \) writes happened year ago washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided would really cool throw huge rocks cars overpass four five cars hit several serious injuries , sadly small girl sitting front seat one struck head one larger rocks n't recall made , think comatose month doctors n't holding hope 'd live girl 's ok , actually , recovered well enough go home n't know permanent damage , though case anybody concerned hell happening great country \? see boyhood pranks peeing bridges , 20 pound rocks \? \? ! society really stooped low \? \? erik velapold people start forcing others take responsibility actions things like would n't happen untill stop blaming outside causes , start blaming criminals , continue let things like happen chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart , \( c \) 1981 quick judge , quick anger , slow understand , ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand
bading cs tu berlin de \( tobias 'doping' bading \) subject forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization technical university berlin , germany lines 30 nntp posting host athene cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit reply ethan cs columbia edu 's message mon , 19 apr 1993 21 25 08 gmt try xcreatewindow include x11 h display display window window xsizehints xsizehints \( \) xsizehints flags usposition ussize pposition psize xsizehints x 42 xsizehints 42 xsizehints width 100 xsizehints height 100 \( display , window , xsizehints \) \( xsizehints \) hints tell window manager position size window specified users window manager accept values use xsizehints flags pposition psize , tells window manager values prefered values program , user n't know window manager n't place window like prefer specify position size like greetings berlin , tobias \( bading cs tu berlin de \)
jar2e faraday clas virginia edu \( virginia 's gentleman \) subject top ten signs 's age aquarius pennsylvania avenue organization university virginia lines 11 regard woody 's post , thought would remind something midst tirade academia member generation likely pay crap reagan cronies started deficit according brilliant curve \( ! \) think need look open minds upon ideas allow us directly address problems gigantic federal deficit debt continue allow economy expand n't remember woody co complaining academia implemented policy , stockman approved fully aware numbers adding , reagan completing largest con job century generation pay jesse
lundby rtsg mot com \( walter f lundby \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? nntp posting host organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 48 thing msg \( monosodium glutamate \) sensitivity \? superstition anybody experience contrary \? person sensitive msg whose wife kids , want know food industry wants put msg food ! ! ! somebody industry give reasons ! industrial byproduct needs getting get rid \? cover fact recipes good food poor quality \? get sadistic pleasure making us sick \? taste testers defect flavor sensors \( mouth etc \) msg corrects \? really understand ! ! ! also \( sp \) \? safer ways preserve food , , beers ! think 1 \) outlaw use substances without warning labels large packages 2 \) require 30 comparable products market free substances state free msg , , package 3 \) outlaw yellow dye 5 matter dye food \? 4 \) take vitamins \( stress tabs \( tm \) n't yellow dye 5 \) doctor says yellow dye 5 responsible 1 2 nasal ! ! ! keep food food ! quit putting junk ! two cents worth sig person tired getting sick junk ! walter lundby walter lundby
caronni nessie cs id ethz ch \( germano caronni \) subject technical details organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch lines 107 article 1993apr19 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes corrections additions hellman 's note , courtesy dorothy denning , reposted permission two requests first , note roles s1 s2 appears others anyone knows values construct unit key nature generation process k1 k2 neither produced alone thus , scheme cannot implemented one repository generates first half key , another generates second ominous second postings revealed scripture , carefully spook postings n't attempt draw hidden meanings \( opposed , say , official announcements clipper \) leave denning given hellman 's record opposition des , goes back folks newsgroup knew read , n't think integrity oh yeah folks invented clipper n't stupid think something n't make sense , 's almost certainly n't understand goals addition \( posted permission \) tech details \? \? \? use s1 s2 date mon , 19 apr 93 08 51 57 edt denning cs cosc georgetown edu \( dorothy denning \) subject clipper chip another conversation nsa clarify features clipper please feel free distribute messages clipper name encryption algorithm skipjack martin hellman written serial number unit added produce three part message encrypted system key sk producing e e k , e k uk , serial number sk responded understanding e k encrypted sk \( called family key \) decrypt key corresponding sk held law enforcement anyone first hand knowledge \? correct e k encrypted sk however , skipjack single key system , , course , separate decrypt key family key sk unit key , also called chip key , generated serial number n follows let n1 , n2 , n3 64 bit blocks derived n , let s1 s2 two 80 bit seeds used keys compute 64 bit block r1 e e n1 s1 s2 s1 \( note like using des triple encryption mode two keys \) similarly compute blocks r2 r3 starting n2 n3 \( i'm whether keys s1 s2 change fact 're called seeds suggests might \) r1 , r2 , r3 concatenated together giving 192 bits first 80 bits form k1 next 80 bits form k2 remaining bits discarded seeds s1 s2 change whole process performed laptop computer , s1 s2 supplied two independent people one person knows s1 s2 used entire programming session generate keys stream serial numbers everything discarded end \( computer could thrown desired \) serial number 30 bits values n1 , n2 , n3 formed padding serial number fixed 34 bit blocks \( separate padding value \) resulting keys k1 k2 output onto separate floppy disks , paired serial number pair stored separate file floppy disks taken away two separate people behalf two escrow agencies dorothy denning denning cs georgetown edu sure technical detail known time goes please remark , posting , automatically agree 's contents implications n't swamp mailbox \) think valuable addition less technical discussion rising , , n't mind call s1 s2 , could imagine key generation process working without seeds dependency k1 , k2 serial number friendly greetings , germano caronni instruments register things 're designed register space still contains infinite unknowns pgp key id 341027 germano caronni caronni nessie cs id ethz ch fd560ccf586f3da747ea3c94dd01720f
vms csd mu edu subject wanted ide hard drive 40 organization marquette university computer services lines 2 reply vms csd mu edu nntp posting host csd mu edu vga monitor e mail
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject atheist 's views christianity \( accepting jeesus heart \) organization university oulu , finland lines 135 jason smith \( jasons atlastele com \) wrote discussion begins universe exist \? one laws nature , specifying cause effect seems dictate \( least layman 's mind \) must causal event reasonable alternative exists would argue causality actually property spacetime causes precede effects claim must answer universe \( spacetime \) emerge nothing , science good candidates answer always wondered christians use questions science \( atheism \) cannot answer argument hope appropriate group ask question popular question question origins universe exist , anything , matter \? think question actually split two parts , namely 1 \) existence \? anything exists \? 2 \) universe emerge nothing \? clear science nothing say first question however , meaningful question , \? would say n't consider following die hard skeptic \( human whatever \) attempts doubt one 's existence since easy doubt everything else cannot sure world exists , may mind fooling ever sure exist \? however , possible exist exist \( someone insert appropriate shakespeare quote \) \) exist cannot doubt one 's existence exist doubt one 's existence , would pointless would exist anyway let us return original question \? exist need reasons non existence sure whether anything else exists mind , let us assume world exists independent mind \( objectivity postulate \) question anything exists countered demanding answer question nothing nothingness , non existence actually , questions turn devoid meaning things exist , things n't exist n't exist tautology best seriously doubt god could answer question christians talked said actually , god existence however , see several problems answer first , inevitably leads conclusion god actually existence , good evil , devils angels , us pantheism , christianity another answer god source existence sounds much better , tempted ask god exist , \? god source existence , mean , terms human time , always existed source existence argument sounds like god exist , meta exists , meta existent perspective , created existence think actually , mere twist words best answer heard human reasoning incapable understanding questions atheist , accept answers , since methods second question universe emerge nothing \? belongs domain science , , one , doubt question answered methods many suggested entirely possible universes emerge vacuum \( possibility suggested recent hawking biography see also creation universe , world scientific , 1989 \) however , think sci groups appropriate discussions like far tell , laws nature demand n't true something outside nature \( e , super natural \) true science collection models telling us , , something happens cannot see good reason questions would bound natural things , assuming supernatural domain exists supernatural beings exist , appropriate ask ask exist believe genetic code entirely deciphered lifetimes , see man convert entirely inert material self sustaining , reproducing life , ever \( 've never much prophet , though ca n't even picture new york mind 8 \) n't believe technology would able produce necessary spark life , despite parts available opinion opinion also called namely , living systems somehow fundamentally different inanimate systems christians general adopt position \? would happen scientists announce created primitive life \( say , small bacteria \) lab \? problem prophecy artificial life created , although yet chemical form computer simulations evolution contain systems much alive bacterium , although code electronic , well metabolism see recent book steven levy artificial life quest new creation jonathan cape , london 1992 artificial chemical life around corner , spark life found necessary living systems violate physical laws know n't mind us send prayer behalf research , \? , christ deluding , really nothing worry , eh \? exactly think atheists post evangelical atheist arguments soc religion groups , since people seek find peace religions must allowed gather together would normally asked questions alt atheism talk religion misc , seems many christians read groups petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
kepler unh edu \( gregory g greene \) subject ide vs scsi organization university new hampshire durham , nh lines 12 nntp posting host kepler unh edu ' first , huge software packages files ' produce , ide may longer sufficient \( 510 mb limit \) micropolis seems broken limit ide hd 's available greg greene kepler unh edu ' mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' ' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com ' lost los angelino
gary ioc co uk \( gary phillips \) subject xt intrinsics slow popups nntp posting host ioc co uk organization intelligent office company ltd lines 26 article minster york ac uk , cjhs minster york ac uk writes bryan \( bryan alex com \) wrote article minster york ac uk , cjhs minster york ac uk writes application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog box strange feature program always pops dialog box much faster first time try pop 2nd time \( 3rd , 4th time \) , much slower shell waiting window manager respond positioning request window manager responding thinks window already right place exactly two components get sulk unclear information greatly received time 've seen similar behaviour x application child without setting close exec x display connection file descriptor shell waited event never arrived got picked child sometimes shell correctly got timing 'right' gary phillips email gary ioc co uk phone 44 81 528 phones cix compulink co uk fax 44 81 528
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject comet temporary orbit around jupiter \? organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 28 msb sq sq com \( mark brader \) writes thanks one final question name gehrels n't known thread came , may issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos , photo neil gehrels , project scientist nasa 's compton gamma ray observatory person \? estimate 99 probability gehrels referred thomas gehrels spacewatch project , kitt peak observatory maybe 24th century could gamma ray spectroscopy distant asteroids orbiting observatory , primitive 20th send probe get gamma ray spectroscopy done mark brader , softquad inc , toronto information ! want information ! utzoo ! sq ! msb , msb sq com prisoner info television yet \? article public domain phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov \( mary shafer \) subject inner ear problems much flying \? article rigel shafer organization nasa dryden , edwards , cal lines 33 reply vida mdavcr mda ca 's message 5 apr 93 23 27 26 gmt 5 apr 93 23 27 26 gmt , vida mdavcr mda ca \( vida morkunas \) said vida one develop inner ear problems much flying \? hear vida pilots steward limit maximum vida number flying hours limits \? vida main problems associated many long haul \( 4 hours \) vida trips \? crew rest requirements prevent undue fatigue crew \( pilot \) limits somewhat stringent cabin crew limits reason crew rest requirements address amount time duty plus rest time tired crew accident prone crew limits know inner ear problems military aircraft , frequently less reliably pressurized able clear ears renders members \( duties involving flying \) grounded ears clear flying problems ears n't clear n't big pressure changes , may know 've got problem zip 5 , 000 6 , 000 ft \( usual cabin altitude airliner \) back sea level , may discover problem ears n't clear readily allergies , colds , infections , problems last wo n't change first three medication \( , usually \) help chewing gum , sucking hard candy \( bottle babies \) , help four causes mary shafer dod 0362 kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility , edwards , ca shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov course n't speak nasa mig six better mig unknown us fighter pilot
extro ucc su oz au \( anthony pun \) subject hp printers rated low \? article extro organization sydney university computing service , sydney , nsw , australia lines 16 nntp posting host extro ucc su oz au gel ulaval ca \( eric \) writes i'm purchase laser printer mac read macuser buying guide special issue hp printers \( except \) rated low compared bargain priced printers \? pc , hp printers standard amongst printer manufacturers ps favorite would iiip iiip superseded 4m , one using work quality print , beating 300 dpi printers hands australia price 4m comparable iii series , hp trying get people buy new one ! ! ! anthony pun extro ucc su oz au
amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization department mathematics lines 28 nntp posting host moink nmsu edu article 1993apr20 192105 11751 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes responding claims skipjack cracking engines thousands \? tens thousands \? arithmetic , please skipjack 2 80 possible keys let 's assume brute force engine like hypothesized des 1 microsecond per trial , 1 million chips 's 10 12 trials per second , 38 , 000 years 2 80 trials well , maybe get chips running one trial per nanosecond , build machine 10 million chips sure 3 8 years solution think also point mystical des engines known plaintext engines \( unless add ton really smart hardware \? \) digitized voice , exists short time , probably couple inches copper , tops 's flatly available bug office hear voice , even digitize , 's going get different bitstream horribly naive suppose regular folks figure crack skipjack , clipper based telephones i'm certainly great deal thought andrew molitor
faraday ece cmu edu \( charles holden \) subject ftp site radius software \? \? \? organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon hey , anyone know ftp get newest version soft pivot radius \? bought pivot monitor , old version software wo n't work c650 , radius said would 4 5 weeks delivery thanks ! chuck
cbnewsc cb att com \( brian w \) subject 4x4 road rally joliet il organization distribution chi keywords april 25th lines 97 attention four wheel road enthusiasts road rally sunday , april 25th joliet illinois event joliet mud turtles , chicago land four wheel drive club , sponsoring road rally sunday april 25th ask road rally \? , well road rally consists following 1 road rally participants given set directions clues guiding participates around joliet area object navigate course based set directions clues participants given set questions pertaining course must answer along way points awarded number correct answers given directions ultimately lead road area four wheel drive course set various locations road course , check points set participants asked questions requested perform activity \( e g tire roll , truck tow , basketball free throw , etc \) additional points 2 optional road , four wheel drive course participants navigate road trails , mud hill points awarded successfully road obstacles without getting stuck get stuck \( half fun anyway \) , assistance get vehicle try road course divided based tire size , stock well modified run course end rally , trophies awarded top scoring participants door prizes dash plaques also given food drinks also available conclusion organized activity sponsored joliet mud turtles safety fun foremost concern must street legal solid tow points road section course n't want separate someone 's bumper vehicle \) particulars rally begins instant replay , road , joliet il \( 815 \) 436 \( see map \) registration 9 10 30 first truck 10 00 rally date sunday april 25th , rain shine entry fee 10 per truck must co driver \( passengers allowed \) valid drivers license required suggested equipment cb radio compass tow strap clip board pencil alcohol rally information contact gary \( 815 \) 727 tom \( 815 \) 485 norm jr \( 815 \) 741 brian \( 708 \) 979 instant replay 1 1 2 mi north exit 257 canton larkin farm ave rd 3 mi v exit
steveg bach udel edu \( steven n \) subject dbase iv sale \( price reduced ! \) nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 4 dbase iv 1 5 sale , 3 5 inch disks , registration included \( upgrade 2 0 want \) , manuals still shrinkwrapped , disks opened verify work asking 175 best offer
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow keywords encryption , wiretap , clipper , key escrow , mykotronx organization dsi uscrpac lines 18 article apr18 204843 50316 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes let ask would trust richard nixon crypto keys \? would n't take mean president nixon , private citizen nixon sure nothing i'm would slightest interest president nixon david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject surgery damaged tendons median nerve reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 27 article wesley src honeywell com src honeywell com writes thought explore net wisdom following questions better way control pain surgeon suggested \? long pain last \? pain recur future \? one answer gets sympathetic , could last forever hope n't damaged \( partially cut \) tendons heal completely finger strength regained \? long take complete healing process \? sometimes sometimes n't best job hope know months gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
moy cae wisc edu \( howard moy \) subject fix word spacing \? organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 14 hi , problem using problem characters get cut display , print ok anyone know fix see screen \? many thanks , howard ! howard moy ! ! \( 608 \) 255 !
ata hfsi hfsi com \( john ata \) subject hell reply news opl com organization hfsi lines 19 article apr 12 03 44 24 1993 athos rutgers edu dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) writes would depend heaven like god king , eternity heaven consists giving thanks praise king , might opt hell read lovely account missionary trying , hand , really loved king , loved point assuring eternal time spent would eternal ecstasy , would really opt choice \? dana john g ata technical consultant internet ata hfsi com , inc uucp uunet ! hfsi ! ata 7900 drive ms 601 voice \( 703 \) 827 mclean , va 22102 fax \( 703 \) 827
uhura cc rochester edu \( mehta \) subject new '94 talon \? \? \? \? \? keywords regal fiberglass parts \? \? nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester \( rochester , ny \) lines 12 article thing new '94 eagle talon \? heard new '94 released \? true differences '93 '94 \? opinions \? would appreciate replies would also prefer e mail , thanks ! mehta university rochester sucks ! uhura cc rochester edu believe captain crunch , fry
jmu acpub duke edu \( joshua unger \) subject 486sx motherboard case mouse organization duke university durham , n c lines 54 nntp posting host raphael acpub duke edu hello , motherboard case sale package came compuadd computer bought last august presently upgrading specs motherboard cyrix 25 mhz microprocessor chips technology chipset \( v2 3 6 \) 8 simm banks maximum 32 megs ram built floppy hard drive controllers built ports 1 parallel , 2 serial \( 9 25 pin \) built paradise svga controller 1 meg ram \( windows drivers inc \) 1024x768 256 colors based western digital chip math co processor slot 3 16 bit expansion slots 2 8 bit expansion slots case low profile desktop nice grey color 150 watt power supply room 2 floppies plus hd mouse 3 button microsoft compatible grey color matches case original manuals documentation , video drivers , etc included probably wondering must sell case motherboard simply case custom made particular board would hard pressed fit another mb however , case motherboard made go together fit perfectly see , since board includes drive controllers video controller , save money buying unit mb would need get io cards , video card , drive controllers lot convenient whole would like ask 500 whole package think fair price given facts includes video card drive controllers io ports need add drives , monitor , ram , keyboard also keep mind n't generic board , compuadd also entertain serious offers please email jmu acpub duke edu thanks j
nicho vnet ibm com \( greg stewart nicholls \) subject keeping spacecraft funding cuts reply nicho vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 x x nicho vnet ibm com murdoch acc virginia edu lines 15 murdoch acc virginia edu greg hennessy writes article access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes better question transfer birds separate agency continous funding support kind ongoing science missions since n't money keep going , changing seperate agency help anything \? transferring control non profit organisation able accept donations keep craft operational greg nicholls vidi nicho vnet ibm com vici nicho olympus demon co uk veni
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject goalie masks organization georgia institute technology lines 13 i'm starting informal poll goalie masks 'd like know 's mask think looks best 've always like curtis joseph 's blues best anyway , send nominations , post vote r h e mail adress gtd597a prism gatech edu thanks time go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
kde boi hp com \( keith emmen \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin 1 1scd1 pl4 lines 23 tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes probably , n't pack heavy weaponry intent use n't really think allowed keep stuff \? , tell live sure steer well clear understand neccessary licenses permits automatic weapons public also rights , placed individual go ahead , call commie , 'd singing different tune exercised right rape daughter broke law , threat society , job simple n't seen proof \( even evidence \) bd 's broken law proof \( evidence \) , let 's hear fbi said evidence 'll support \( except 2 \) guess always people wish peasants politicians prefer unarmed peasants
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject davidians compassion organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 34 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 93apr20 neat cs toronto edu , cbo cs toronto edu \( calvin bruce \) wrote article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes hard time understanding christianity knows word compassion christians , think actions today would produce good picture religion \? clearly people considering christians alike , support one another everything particular , follows certainly support actions person calling christian see , christians , christians wonder christian world shambles , ca n't even agree rightful one wrong one one follow teachings christ , christian easy \? please , would like hear comments supposed christian leader makes sure children burnt death would say muslims like saddam hussein \? would n't make blanket judgement , \? kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 85 article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article il news udel edu , roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu , roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes original question started fire whether madmen inside outside compound replied possible sanity level inside outside argument well , n't make well started questionable premise fire necessarily act insanity , rather act negligence accident recall , one survivor claims fire started tank knocked kerosene lamp kind makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot , \? another survivor claims heard someone shouting fire 's started ! odd terminology 's one says know fire planned , one occurs accident wait see evidence shows , assuming one willing believe evidence offered ones according australian documentary made year stand began , koresh followers believed christ koresh sex children women married men compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn ex members describe ways dissimilar way jim jones described point noted submitted faith sex life batf clearance \? better hurry believe deadline april 15 paid taxes reference sex religion form comments meant address might unstable enough keep children building tear gas start fire nice evasive maneuver , mr , 're still tail let ask plainly complaints david koresh 's religious sexual justified armed raid bureau alcohol , tobacco , firearms \? neither merely addressing sanity level players agree batf handled affair badly day one btw , heard news today behind knock warrant unsealed today grenade launcher thing list found unusual two nine escaped compound said fire deliberately set cult members , talk news reporters directly , relate details , believe \? believe \? wo n't even recognize neither anyone else n't know personally believe would put national tv cameras \? 's entirely far fetched nobody outside compound would know everybody inside compound n't forget , batf admits agents inside compound , case ambitious news reporters could use documentary filmed australian 1992 compound grounds help identify survivors , one , check stories consistency learned long news story documentary point , getting conflicting reports survivors best wait til light shed upon course , good believe eternal darkness i'm simply devil 's advocate 's reasonable doubt standing way anybody totally swallowing official government story waco certainly room doubt certainly reserve right change opinions new evidence warrants change minded , however , would never able change mind , evidence disliked would lie fabricated ones
alex msk su \( alex \) subject help renderman language wanted ! reply alex msk su organization unknown lines 17 hello everybody ! using renderman 3d scene description language creating 3d worlds , please , help i'm using renderman library next documentation nextstep version renderman available create complicated scenes render using surface , bring life applying shadows reflections far understand define environmental shadows maps produce reflections shadows , know use advises simple rib c examples appreciated thanks advance alex moscow , russia imaging communications corporation e mail alex msk su \( next mail accepted \)
leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) subject space faq 07 15 astronomical mnemonics supersedes mnemonics cs unc edu organization university north carolina , chapel hill lines 95 distribution world expires 6 may 1993 19 57 55 gmt nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu keywords frequently asked questions archive name space mnemonics last modified date 93 04 01 14 39 14 astronomical mnemonics \( last faq section posted sci astro \) gathered various mnemonic postings sci astro spectral classification sequence b f g k r n oh fine girl kiss right , sweetheart \( classic \) 's big astronomical fiasco gonna kill right surely obese astronomy found guilty killed many reluctant students octopus brains , favorite kitchen menu , requires sauce odd ball astronomers find generally mnemonics really nifty stuff oh big ferocious gorilla , kill roomate next saturday oh boy , flash ! godzilla kills mothra ! really surprising ! oh boy , f grade kills bad fermented grapes keep mrs richard nixon smiling , backward astronomer , forget kepler 's motions reveal nature 's simplicity bad astronomy faculty gets killed monday oven baked ants , fried gently , kept , retain natural overseas broadcast flash ! godzilla kills mothra ! \( rodan named successor \) overweight boys fat girls keep bored astronomers find gratification knowing mnemonics oh bloody astronomy ! f grades kill order planets sun mercury venus earth \( terra \) mars \( asteroids \) jupiter saturn uranus neptune pluto earnest mother served us nine mother made jelly sandwich protest erotic mate satisfies unusual needs men easily make serve useful purposes man early made jug serve useful noble purposes educated mother showed us nine planets eager mother showed us nine planets exhausted mother swept planetary nebula voters earn money showing near polls educated mother served us nine pizza many elephants made john , uncle need protection solar mass easily makes jupiter 's satellites undergo numerous perturbations mein mir \( father explains every sunday nine planets \) man menschen \( never scorn despise person misfortune bad luck misery period ! \) colors spectrum red orange yellow green blue indigo violet roy g \( pronounce man 's name \) richard york gave battle vain read good book verse galilean satellite jupiter io europa ganymede callisto expect god cries eat green cheese good christians ich christen \( scare good christians \) saturnian satellites met dr miriam 's taste divine recently tell i'm proud \( , , , , rhea , titan , hyperion , iapetus , \) satellites uranus often angel takes \( miranda , ariel , , , oberon \) note remaining faq sections appear sci astro , cover material relevance sci space next faq 8 15 contacting nasa , esa , space agencies companies
montagar com \( david l cathey \) subject secret source announcement organization montagar software concepts , plano tx lines 19 article netcom com , grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) writes maybe start newsgroup distribution encrypted posts intended members affinity groups shared private key example coming cypherpunks meeting , private key corresponding particular meeting could passed moderator minutes , followup comments participants , could posted alt encrypted group use people attended intended group non attendees could course signed using private key encrypted like pgp would useful , guess although n't working version vms yet \( grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f david l cathey inet montagar com montagar software concepts uucp ! montagar ! p box , plano tx fone \( 214 \) 618
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject spanky \? organization adobe systems incorporated lines 18 article psc edu boone psc edu \( jon boone \) writes spanky slow ! quicker , would still slaught tom prince , n't want lose prince order bring 11th pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming along nicely ! tom prince 28 year old hit catcher think young ca n't begin fathom pirates afraid losing guy , 's aaa last 5 seasons pirates released kirk gibson last year prince options , eventually sent prince anyway , cleared waivers without 's another year older , still ca n't hit think would n't clear waivers \? would care \? sherri nichols snichols adobe com
wpwood austin ibm com subject gcc building hp widget set linux reply wpwood austin ibm com \( bill woodward \) organization institute knowledge jinx lines 30 currently attempting get copy hp widget set compiled linux \( sls release kernel 99 6 \) running problems actually , seems gcc question , got compile without trouble using cc rs 6000 basically , number functions prototypes set , let 's say , h , instance , composite widget 's insert child procedure set type typedef void \( \) \( widget \) several places hp source code , reference insert child procedure pass multiple arguments instead one , prototype suggests example \( composite class insert child \) \( w , args , p num args \) , gcc chokes , giving error message many arguments passed function , anyone suggestions turn checking gcc , go changing code accomodate call without changing usr include x11 h , anyone successfully built hp widget set suggestions many thanks advance help bill woodward wpwood austin ibm com try first aix software support austin ibm com graphics group 512 838 terror night
slegge kean ucs mun ca subject trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie lines 20 organization memorial university st john 's nfld , canada tsn sportsdesk reported ottawa sun reported montreal send 4 players 15 million including vin damphousse brian bellows , phillie send eric lindros ottawa , ottawa give 's first round pick montreal personally , ca n't see philli giving lindros anything go idiot posted gretzky trade toronto \? \? \? \? \? ! ! ! listen , asshole , i'm commenting heard reported sports news ! ! 'll notice skeptical comment ! sheesh thought group conversation ! guess wrong stephen legge slegge kean ucs munc ca
dduff col hp com \( dave duff \) subject us drive left \? article hp col organization hp colorado springs division lines 4 nntp posting host fajita19 cs itc hp com left hand steering wheel placement standard 20 's us driving right standard since standards came interestingly , chrysler begun building right hand drive cars export japan
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization hand held products , inc lines 138 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) writes article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes suppose fbi also prevented coming hands national tv cameras watch watch \? two miles away \? far enough away whatever really happenned must explained vengeful filter humiliated agency said \( quote ! \) enough enough please tell think would happened people come hands several weeks ago n't happen responsible happening \? certainly children koresh calling shots talking lawyer fbi since others released safely , sane reason keeping children inside compound fbi koresh calling shots sane reasons keeping children , let go , parents would never see easy choice , spite cold attitude scenario simplest plausible generally believe conspiracy theories involve complicated unlikely scenarios fbi sent letters martin luther king 's wife insinuating mlk affair ! , please tell us exactly much trust supposedly benevolent government someone would release children compound obviously authority worshiper koresh worshiper \? constitution worshiper quite obviously eat anything authorities feed , without doubt , makes different koresh worshiper e , david koresh vernon howell jesus christ saw lengthy excerpts australian documentary made 1992 clearly showed cult give camera , time , present excerpts show cult leader guarenteed thanks laugh day ! definitely silly supposition believe , truly naive possible , easy worked broadcast profession , network station , late 70s , know i'm saying embarrasing footage easy get , add little sinister music , right voice , 'll mother agreeing commit least view whole documentary claim source would could news show showed lengthy excerpts also interviews made documentary basically confirmed shown excerpts time spent compound 1992 news shows looking excerpts backed position think would show excerpts disproved points \? pleased batf handling affair think bungled badly start n't think responsible fire , started two different places two places , eh \? saw \? wonderful fbi tell \? saw one place believe reported local radio reporters site fire started three story tower time two story window shown tv coverage reports multi starts came solely fbi anyone observing fire available video would hard pressed see one point fire spread across compound uniform rate batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest may intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople willing risk small arms fire get good footage people told get hell camera range \? could n't answer one , eh \? important question , root cause suspicion thought mentioning reagan military treated press grenada set precedent , decided n't worthy discussion news reporter got shot , bet family would sue government letting danger area reported ever sued government situation know dangers remember , batf invited initial coverage simple , remote controlled , camera two \? ways provide media access fbi obviously n't want root cause suspicion mind 100 people would n't flee building numerous exits 30 minutes time took burn n't flee hours earlier tear gas first introduced \? find rational explanation behavior find several tear gas smoke making impossible remove flames blocking exits perhaps gun shots fbi , keeping pinned \? knows \? jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject patients read package inserts \( pdr \) \? reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 48 article 1993mar29 930 news wesleyan edu rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu \( ruth ginzberg \) writes hmmmm 's one place really think patient ought take responsibility absolutely reason ca n't ask pharmacist filling prescription physicians' package insert medication pick pharmacy make sure tell pharmacist want physicians' package insert people going , really wish would tell first 'd happy go insert \( pdr \) explain everything many patients read insert panic next visit admit afraid take drug starting square one probably n't even come back followup n't want admit would n't take drug thought trying kill something people n't understand inserts report every adverse side effect ever reported , without drug responsible insert legal document slough liability manufacturer physician something happen patients want useful reliable information drug would much better getting hold one ama drug evaluation books something similar much scientific drugs someone n't reported death taking patients n't realize n't usually appreciate risks properly i'm sure herman going go ballistic , another problem probably drugs reported cause impotence half males read falsely assume could permanently cause lose sexual function refuse take drug like real problem pdr readers needs way providing patients tools geared allow get information need involved research project , migraine domain involves computer system provide answers questions migraine well therapy prescribed patient common illnesses , migraine hypertension , may help quite bit patient could spend much time needed computer would burden physician clearly , physicians large part fail answer questions patients , demonstrated net get asked things patients found physician n't n't n't always physician 's fault either sometimes patients afraid ask wo n't afraid ask system , hope gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) subject atheists hell organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 31 article apr 19 05 14 08 1993 athos rutgers edu atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) writes n't see problem ! christians , hell , definition , eternal death exactly atheists expecting die 's reason hell especially awful people , eternal death bad enough literal interpreters bible problem view , since bible talks fires hell personally , n't think people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat statements metaphorical phew ! takes load n't want live forever wish christians held view ca n't walk across campus spring without fire brimstone preachers really think metaphor limited , least respect teaching children 's criminal put ideas young trusting mind besides , rely positive aspects religion win faith \? tim timothy j brent man come know true happiness , brent bank ecn purdue edu accepts small part infinite universe purdue university spinoza materials science engineering paraphrased
rnichols cbnewsg cb att com \( robert k nichols \) subject need info ps 2 mouse port organization distribution na lines 11 would someone please email pinout ps 2 6 pin mini din mouse port \? i'm trying make adapter serial mouse , dealer knows adapter works mouse bought n't stock several different adapters , none make sense based information port \( connections reserved pins \) bob nichols bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com
l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) subject cyrix 486dlc 40 cpu reply l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) organization loughborough university , uk lines 12 2 \) anyone using cpu , impressions cpu performance , compatability \? benchmark program called said cyrix cpus bug cannot run program also may nextstep 486 \? regards , desmond li lut , uk
wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) subject suggestions audio relays \? \? \? organization malaspina college lines 63 article megatest com , alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) writes article c5qsbf iek ms uky edu billq ms uky edu \( billy quinn \) writes built little project using radio shack 5vdc relays switch audio got pretty bad 'clicks' thing switched common things one supposed using relays nothing seemed get rid clicks question good relay relay circuit use switching audio , noise kind audio lines appreciate advice references advice also , exact part numbers company names etc relays help ! switching high level signals low level signals like pre amp level signals \? also , clicks mentioning big clack happens switches refering contact bounce \? driving relays \? ttl gate output \? switching transistor \? relays connected driving \? need specifics answer question ! ! \) general rule , relay cleanly switch audio try tranfer circuit contacts noise hear due momentary opening closing path way transfering audio ground circuit high impedance audio circuits resistive constructed close characteristic impedance circuit grounding \( connected \) transfers audio low impedance circuits transformers usually used , inputs shorted grounded characteristic impedance sometimes necessary actually switch audio , second contact used momentarily short circuit output duration switching time telephone relays handy , contacts adjusted make break versa n't seen years switching done electronically op amps , etc novel circuit used build primitive optical consists resistive lamp , packaged tube lamp cell high resistance turn lamp resistance lowers passing audio device switches audio varying lamp resistance give remote volume control use 2 variable mixer ! lots luck ! 73 , tom tom wagner , audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia \( 604 \) 753 3245 , loc 2230 fax 755 8742 callsign ve7gda weapon 45 kentucky rifle snail mail site q4 , c2 rr 4 , nanaimo , british columbia , canada , v9r 5x9 recyle keep everything ! \( standard disclaimers apply \)
william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu subject let's go buffalo ! organization administrative computing info services , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 3 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu know , never really appreciated !
coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) subject playoff predictions organization university saskatchewan lines 28 distribution world reply coulman cs usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca article 1993apr04 rose com , jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) writes stuff deleted n't understand many people predicting upset pittsburgh team 12 row coming playoffs 've practically every game 've really wanted win year \( including critical victories caps one hot bruins team \) team probably peak \( stronger previous 2 stanley cup winners \) mean , know lose would large upset personally think teams going hard pressed win 1 2 games series pens \( i'm pittsburgh fan \) agree heard tsn tonight , want pick someone else , n't see i'm bruins fan maybe year different , n't look good time tell , though lots deleted randy randy coulman , sc aries laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman cs usask ca saskatoon , sk s7n 0w0
ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu \( ardie mack \) subject dos6 defragment \? \? article ux1 ardie 272 organization department plant pathology lines 30 article 1993apr6 cs brown edu nosubdomain nodomain \( lee \) writes nosubdomain nodomain \( lee \) subject dos6 defragment \? \? date tue , 6 apr 1993 04 02 54 gmt article news cso uiuc edu , uxa cso uiuc edu \( richard \) writes geoffrey writes yes , fastest defrag 've ever watched 170mb hard disk 20 minutes found ms defrag looks much like norton speedisk strip version later \? norton speedisk backup , wondering need install ms backup \? richard yes , come norton norton utility , n't bother n't bother fastback offer options available stripped ms version \( cps ! \) examples proprietary format \( save space \) , probably direct dma access , tape drive ! need ms defrag use doublespace work compressed volume
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject wallpaper windows 3 1 organization george washington university lines 22 article bigboote wpi edu bigal wpi wpi edu \( nathan charles crowell \) writes hi , utility available make windows randomly select one windows directory 's bmp files wallpaper file \? nate nate 's sig couple personally using , screen saver also select wallpaper specified directory \( necessarily windows dir \) let know want info 've pretty happy , latest version \( 3 \) cica , oak , windows3 something mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) subject car buying story , christ , another dealer service scam nntp posting host mudd se houston geoquest slb com organization geoquest system , inc houston distribution usa lines 57 article 1993apr15 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes problem , n't giving money finance guy brought manager duty proceeded give hard time reminded customer n't think treated like n't back could forget whole deal made smart remark told could stick , snatched back check left needless say , pleased turn events 's nothing friend mine went shopping small sedan years ago , brought along token male would n't give treatment first choice mazda 323 , second choice nissan sentra went mazda dealership described wanted started negotiating price , kept playing let run price sales manager playing good salesman , bad salesman game , finally told n't authority negotiate price , perhaps speaking directly someone brought sales manager proceeded dick us around every trick book \( read sutton 's n't get taken every time list \) finally , playing rounds 'll work us price , also known time come thousand dollars 'll come ten , gave signal two sales cronies , stood , said well , ca n't come guess ca n't help room , leaving us sitting salesman 's office hmm 'd read salesmen sometimes bug offices leave listen couples discussing sales offer , mentioned aloud friend sitting wondering would leave us office instead showing us door lack anything better , picked phone desk called another mazda dealership , asked salesman , began discussing kind price would consider sentences conversation , mr broke line \( ! \) began telling rude thought would call another dealership phone ! said since 'd announced business , n't care , every time tried talk sales guy sales manager would voices \( know using phone , anyway \? \) finally , hung headed showroom sales manager cronies come little room begins us say wo n't bother anymore , 're going next door nissan dealership comes part wish could videotaped go front door , sales manager shouts across entire showroom , customers , go ahead ! deserve buy nissan ! friend bought sentra guilty wo n't go , 'll mention sales manager 's name gary manner , refusal come reasonable price , anger end , guess bet original salesman \( young novice \) 'd able get least x dollars us , steamed would n't fall slimy tricks
munizb rwtms2 decnet rockwell com \( rwtms2 munizb \) subject alaska pipeline space station ! x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 16 date 01 apr 93 18 03 12 gmt , ralph buttigieg ralph buttigieg z3 fido zeta org au writes ca n't government \? private commercial concerns could build space station system charge rent government financed researchers wanting use believe thought behind industrial space facility n't remember details , think space services \( \? \) wanted nasa sign anchor tenancy deal order help secure venture capital nasa n't like deal \( i'm sure 'll hear i'm wrong ! \) disclaimer opinions stated solely \( unless change mind \) ben munizb rwtms2 decnet rockwell com w \( 818 \) 586 space station freedom rocketdyne rockwell structural loads dynamics man fly fifty years wilbur orville wright ,
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine organization bell laboratories lines 16 article 7020 05 silverton berkeley edu , djb silverton berkeley edu \( j bernstein \) writes article 1993apr21 132318 16981 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes key size one things verified externally gee say feed 80 bit key snefru 8 take first 60 bits result , use 60 bits real key figure key one 2 20 keys \? try birthday attack , key changed second need several lifetimes get reliable statistics 're right , retract suggestion still , wonder 60 bits key information , principle , detectable maybe variant tests rivest et al demonstrate des probably group \? make interesting paper black box analysis cryptosystem
wilkins scubed com \( darin wilkins \) subject koresh god ! nntp posting host renoir organization cubed , division maxwell labs san diego ca lines 22 mathew mathew mantis co uk latest news seems koresh give 's finished writing sequel bible article 1 p00261 psilink com robert knowles p00261 psilink com writes writing seven seals something along lines 's already written first seven around 30 pages handed assistant ! would expect decent messiah built maybe koresh 2 0 come one heard asked fbi provide word processor anyone know koresh requested 0 \? 0 written \( owned \) mormons , theological implications requesting \( refusing \) 0 profound ! darin wilkins scubed scubed com president food
xrcjd mudpuppy gsfc nasa gov \( charles j divine \) subject space station redesign chief health reasons organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines 12 writer kathy sawyer reported today 's washington post joseph shea , head space station redesign resigned health reasons shea hospitalized shortly selection february returned yesterday lead formal presentation independent white house panel shea 's presentation rambling almost shea 's deputy , former astronaut bryan o'connor , take effort goldin asserted redesign effort track chuck divine
noah apple com \( noah price \) subject quadra scsi problems \? \? \? organization \( opinions \) apple computer , inc lines 24 article shelley u washington edu , tzs stein2 u washington edu \( tim smith \) wrote attention mac quadra owners many storage industry experts concluded mac quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data used devices , including ultra modern devices although name devices , since fault 's fine , would name experts try track \? n't sound right n't quadras use \? , mac nothing scsi timing 's handled chip yup 's i'm kinda curious scsi problems 've encountered due cabling noah noah apple com macintosh hardware design ! sun , decwrl ! apple ! noah \( opinions \) apple computer , inc
kmitchel netcom com \( kenneth c mitchell \) subject abolish selective service organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 34 dave borden \( borden head cfa harvard edu \) wrote selective service registration abolished start , draft immoral whether agree , n't one , military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally , government us many lists many computers \( irs , social security admistration motor vehicle registries name \) find us needs maintaining yet another list people utter waste money time let 's axe whole department , reduce deficit little bit let say , retired navy officer agree cut let 's stop eliminate c 17 transport , , , supposed carry tanks new tanks big airplane scrap seawolf ssn 21 nuclear submarine breakup ussr left us number sticky military problems , none require god 's gift submarines ground b 2 stealth bomber i'm sure 's great airplane everything designers said , half copy , ca n't afford even one crash airplanes crash said best 20 years ago high low mix extremely capable weapons systems lot cheaper , moderate capability systems ken mitchell powers delegated united states kmitchel netcom com constitution , prohibited states , citrus heights , ca reserved states respectively , people
ckincy cs umr edu \( charles kincy \) subject national sales tax , movie nntp posting host next4 cs umr edu organization university missouri rolla , rolla , mo lines 84 article aa05233 inet gw 2 pa dec com blh uiboise idbsu edu \( broward l horne \) writes babble deleted well , form guaranteed health care n't bad idea , , yah , i'm bit worried run hmo 'd much rather something like canada 'll belt anyone tells move canada \) , since people yell scream ! ! ! one like canada ! ! ! , 're probably screwed predicted 1 , 000 per middle class taxpayer new taxes national sales tax impressive let great make couple predictions , 1 sun rise tomorrow 2 rush bash clinton next show 3 turn clinton 's love child chances , 'll get least one right , i'm lucky may even get two , predictions ! \) nst raised 3 5 1996 ooops already okay , nst raised 5 7 1996 ca n't argue hands yer pocket , ca n't help feel around bit ii \) unemployment rise ! oh , sh \? ! mean , weakened economy collapse face tax spending , everyone handout line \? 're genius ! ! iii \) tax revenues decline deficit increase ! 'll get another deficit reduction package 1997 ! everyone dance sing ! deficit reduction spending cuts via fee increases \? paraphrase hilary clinton raise taxes middle class pay programs paraphrase bill clinton raise taxes middle class pay programs , first year polisci major tell prez never raises taxes congress voted clinton ticket get wear new label ! made usa hook , line , ! chuckle cpk 's 80 days know wallet \? slick willy 's already got hand pocket i'm afraid might grab hold
stssdxb st unocal com \( dorin baru \) subject reasons go hezbollah ! organization unocal corporation lines 32 hossien amehdi writes article 1993apr15 unocal com stssdxb st unocal com \( dorin baru \) writes , tough talk arrogance , adults , n't \? listen tough talk american politicians \? switch channel \? guess , n't make point clear case israel government , tough talk intimidation policy , many people talking goes tough talks , followed aggressive actions followed taking pride actions bragging agressive actions taken sides tough talk done sides arab leader menacing throw jews water also tough talk , think killing people mildly agressive \( justified , opinion israeli soldiers , justified , others' opinion jews , justified others opinion \) brad wrote article 3 israelis killed , ther lot pride satisfaction lines 's feel disgusting may agree killing murder , \? , may appreciate points , objective blame , remark dorin
mace cc purdue edu \( unknown \) subject causes cardiac arrest organization purdue university lines 21 article phakt usc edu wagner phakt usc edu \( loren wagner \) writes article 1993apr14 bmw mayo edu mayo edu writes maybe would rather ron davis back \? \? \? \? \) truly amazing thing many years bum closer twins 'd thought could find somebody better wagner usc edu going ninth 3 run lead , 2 runs score runners first second rd throws , 's drive back , puckett wall , , caught ball ! ! ! ! catch kirby ! ! twins win ! rd gets save line 1 ip , 2 walks , 2 hits , one robbed home run paul
dietrijj mentor cc purdue edu \( dietrijj \) subject delay sampler organization purdue university computing center lines 8 hey ! interested buying digital delay pedal , preferably capable sampling infinite repeat \( 're familiar phil , want mimic , least close possible , concert , e , click pedal , play something , click , played clicks repeats infinitely leads \) anyway , let know jason dietrijj mentor cc purdue edu
wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org subject clementine mission name x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 27 mark prado please go one step word clementine associated mining \? old pioneer song 1850 's goes follows cavern , canyon , mine , miner , forty , daughter , clementine chorus oh darling , oh darling , oh darling clementine lost gone forever , oh darling clementine 've also explained \( confirmed reliable data source \) clementine acronym something like combined lunar mapper experiment extended non terrestrial intercept near earth personally , think acronym made fit name \( really acronym \) wales larrison space technology investor maximus 2 01wb
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject 'just justifiable war' exist \? organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 32 thoughts non pacifist side \( 1 \) killing defend innocent may , anything , justifiable killing self defense turn cheek , right turn someone else 's \( 2 \) seems jesus meant teach pacifism , would made position explicit n't tell centurion leave army , instance nt full military metaphors b pacifist side \( 1 \) apparently many early christians refused fight roman army , stated one refuse given choice 's clear whether objecting war per se , objecting roman policies \( 2 \) modern warfare , seems impossible direct attacks combatants bombing , conventional nuclear , kills lots civilians \( 3 \) 's hard tell whether particular war justified time often takes decades requisite information become available general public please , email replies meant contribution public discussion , anyone wanting reply also reply publicly michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
subject looking ms dos crypto programs lure latrobe edu au \( maddison , david \) organization la trobe university x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 11 new reader sci crypt would like obtain copy public domain program encrypt files , preferably using des , runs ms dos would also like obtain program password protect floppy disks , possible thanks david maddison melbourne , australia
rcampbel weejordy physics mun ca \( roderick campbell \) subject pc geos , windows , os 2 , unix x11 reply rcampbel weejordy physics mun ca organization dept physics , memorial university lines 61 article sehari iastate edu , sehari iastate edu \( babak sehari \) writes limited pc geos , came following comparison pc geos windows os 2 unix x11 1 run dos programs yes yes yes yes \( needed add \) lines deleted 7 price 120 70 120 free good one costs 400 700 avaliable ext card 8 c compiler n't think yap yap yap 9 c yap yap yap 10 fortran yap yap yap 11 \? yap yap yap 12 min run dos 2m 10mb hard \? 386 guys gals add list , throw many tubes highest regards , babak sehari list appears imply , ms windows cost listed 70 , comes c compiler , c fortran , course expensive add ons drive price way beyond 70 \( n't know applies os 2 \) far unix concerned free unix , linux , cc , c , fortran \( f2c \) , xwindows many features besides , large number utilities optionally added also free 386bsd believe unix 's quite robust check comp os linux n't want throw many tubes , 've got break list little roderick campbell department physics memorial university newfoundland st john 's , nf , canada internet rcampbel weejordy physics mun ca
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject octopus detroit \? organization ub lines 16 nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu article 1993apr17 news clarkson edu farenebt logic camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) writes fact , tradition passed affiliate adirondack gm 6 last yr 's finals , 8 legged creature hurled onto frozen pond landed right feet ref lance roberts may passed toronto , 've even seen octopus aud last year 's bruins sabres game knew detroit version , seeing aud bit puzzling \) valerie hammerl \( n \) event friends get hammerl acsu buffalo edu together , set fire , acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu laugh sing frantically try v085pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu blow
galen picea cfnr colostate edu \( galen watts \) subject beginner 's rf \? \? \? distribution na nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate edu organization college natural resources , state univ lines 16 article cbnewsl cb att com cbnewsl cb att com \( steven r klinkner \) writes anybody recommend good , application oriented beginner 's reference rf circuits \? steve klinkner bell labs boeing att com arrl handbook radio amateur , i'm getting solid state design radio amateur handbook 25 solid state 12 arrl , 225 main , newington , ct able find electronics amateur radio stores arrl want 5 shipping good luck , galen watts , kf0yj
sti cs hut fi \( sami \) subject finding state state keys \( eg , capslock numlock \) organization helsinki university technology , cs lab lines 23 distribution inet nntp posting host cs hut fi blue arbortext com rps arbortext com \( ralph seguin \) writes question means determining state capslock numlock \? n't know way except see modifiers th keypress event course reason need always know state modifiers even windows n't focus always ask keypress events root window get always know pressed even pointed question easy means making x keyboard act like pc keyboard \? ie , capslock active , user presses shift , 'd like get 'a' instead 'a' think question implement xlookupstring always write another function interprets like look implementation xlookupstring xlib sources modify little bit sami hut fi g sami hut admd c fi live long !
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject statement everyone p g lines 24 ok , goes yes folks , realize stuck foot mouth quite times already please let make clarifications inaccurate information posts due lack knowledge thanks kind \( kind \) people learning people given several good points ponder see wrong way inaccurate information supposed trying anti gun cause said several times \( nobody seemed listening \) pro gun anti gun control far race worms opened one thing say way prejudiced things stated said demonstrate prejudiced racist accused aware race prejudiced say anymore subject matter say wrong thing boy , start new group oh well , things worse life hope clears things guess remain seen , jason
marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject hearing sinners organization ft lauderdale , fl lines 24 article apr 21 03 24 19 1993 geneva rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes question , god hear prayers sinners \? need distinguish say never hears prayers sinned , make pointless prayers anyone born less 19 centuries ago consider prayers sinner , someone says , lord , want , n't expect change way life , different matter doubt god hears everybody 's prayers however , things way , e things happen question really god grant everybody 's wishes \? 'll get brutal shot reality similar n't get toy wanted christmas cannot expect get everything want world mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com lost los angelino
\( phil \) subject c lewis ok \( ancient books \) organization u west advanced technologies lines 49 article apr 14 03 07 58 1993 athos rutgers edu , mayne ds3 scri fsu edu \( bill mayne \) wrote last sentence ironic , since many readers soc religion christian seem embarrassed apologists josh mcdowell c lewis also expresses rather odd sense history makes think masses day , mostly illiterate , knew rhetoric logic people today \? writings period seem elevated consider cream crop , speak , could read write everyone medieval period knew rules matter uncritically accepting told bill mayne may unfair lewis prominent fallacy attributed liar , lunatic , lord quoted many christians , logical fallacy original context , clh exactly c lewis taken couple pretty severe hits group lately first somebody accusing self righteous unconvincing told christians embarrassed \( well josh mcdowell , comment , never read work \) anyone thinks c lewis self righteous ought read introduction problem pain , , explains wanted publish book anonymously \? although believed argument presenting , want seem presume tell others brave face suffering want people think presenting kind model , anything considered great coward ofm adequately handled question whether ought embarrassed liar lunatic lord argument \( , way , part much bigger discourse \) would like add , far embarrassed lewis , state continual amazement soundness clarity arguments presents phil hey , 're talking phone company , phone company n't opinions kind stuff
dlneal apgea army mil \( dennis l neal dlneal \) subject amiga software sale ! ! organization edgewood lines 22 nntp posting host cbda9 apgea army mil following amiga software sale gold 50 25 b e plan ! 10 spreadsheet \( still \) 10 \( hard drive backup \) certificate maker 10 add h email address listed thanx , dennis l neal dlneal cbda9 apgea army mil
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 38 article mitre org , jmeritt mental mitre org writes leviticus 21 9 daughter priest , profane playing whore , father shall burnt fire deuteronomy 22 20 21 tokens virginity found damsel shall bring damsel door father 's house , men city shall stone stones die deuteronomy 22 22 man found lying woman married husband , shall die deuteronomy 22 23 24 damsel virgin betrothed unto husband , man find city , lie ye shall bring unto gate city , ye shall stone stones die deuteronomy 22 25 man find betrothed damsel field , man force , lie man lay shall die laws written israelites , god 's chosen people god expressly set apart rest world israelites direct witness god 's existence disobey god knowing god real would outright denial god therefore immediately punishable remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike god , malcolm lee \)
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject space research spin organization express access online communications usa lines 30 nntp posting host access digex net article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article ip access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes thought area rule boeing nasa guys developed rule , one knew worked boeing built hardware 727 maybe fb 111 \? \? \? \? \? nope decisive triumph area rule 's yf 102 mach 1 5 fighter actually found incapable going supersonic level flight turned area ruled yf met specs well either 727 fb 111 102 flew late 1953 , spent first half 1954 figuring went wrong second half building first work one man 's work henry spencer u toronto zoology kipling henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry good thing stuck couple question marks seem recall , somebody built least proposed wasp passenger civil transport thought 727 , maybe dc 8 , 9 \? \? \? sure funny passenger compartment , hand seemed save fuel thought area rules applied even speeds , badly pat
erics netcom com \( eric smith \) subject america 's team \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 20 kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes well , guess america loves underdogs every year , matter talent predictions , never \( close never possible \) win anything years , losing mounted , america fallen love perennial losers cubs fans chicago teams worldwide cubs fans worldwide teams division combined aura excitement surrounds cubs beginning season like one else \( including ws champs \) must eternal hope actually admired spirit fan cubs opener several years ago held sign said wait till next year eric smith threatened ! president erics netcom com united states 'd investigate ! 's erics infoserv com difference \? i'm comedian united states ! ci 70262 , 3610 jerry seinfeld
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject anecdote islam organization boston university physics department lines 117 article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes brutal system filtered leniency lenient huh \? rate public floggings floggings \? chopping hands , heads , body parts \? stoning \? n't problem floggings , particularly , offenders given chance change behavior floggings given problem maiming general , whatever means opinion one maimed another maimed case rape victim maimed , physically emotionally , would n't problem maiming rapists obviously would n't problem maiming murderers either may ask opinion became muslim \? sure yes , see n't think rape murder dealt lightly , interested leniency leniency 's sake , apparently think people simply told bad thing simple chance \? avoided much possible suspect 's pretty unlikely , given requirement repeated offenses , likely orient place single character ignorance exposes nicely read carefully , said orient shows primitive machism well , use specific words orient \? probably mind need \( 's \) contains sufficient information detail possible , necessary europe shows civilized bullshit bullshit time put shut 've substantiated nothing like talk west great satan 're guilty love compare lines common plea fellow believers call others names case , substantiate quran allows one beats one 's wife submission really \? care give chapter verse \? could discuss primitive machism refers \( , fault \) , orient follows qur'an 'll better sorry , n't put enough islam expresses extramarital sex extramarital sex subset sex islam allowed encouraged islam , many branches christianity , , misses point read part urge sex religions run around telling people sex piece cake two reasons suppressing strong urge needs strong measures , business anyway believe wish thought trying make argument reading opinions argument doubt validity premises change want criticize , time put shut argument n't like religions suppress sex 's irrelevant argument 'd like generalize objective statement fine response given reason statement sex business religion \( one arguments \) urge sex adolescents strong overly strong measures required suppress urge sex strong adult adult make effort find marriage partner gregg
cy779 cleveland freenet edu \( anas omran \) subject israeli terrorism reply cy779 cleveland freenet edu \( anas omran \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 18 nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu previous article , adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) says article 2bdad779 24910 news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article amoss 93apr25163327 shuldig cs huji ac il amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) writes cy779 cleveland freenet edu \( anas omran \) writes eh \? \? \? \? could please give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier \? many cases , remeber names shot killed un observer gaza first half intifada believe world seen pictures israeli soldiers breaking cameras reporters , kicking reporters , confiscating cassettes , showing reporters orders preventing going hot areas pick pictures make reports
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject share optimization tips article seas 1993apr6 organization george washington university lines 46 article 1993apr5 cbfsb cb att com cbnewsg cb att com \( richard \) writes article geraldo cc utexas edu jbodnar ccwf cc utexas edu \( john bodnar \) writes according e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) 's another one 5 computer arrived following statement config sys file stacks 9 , 256 changed stacks 8 , 128 saved 1296 bytes maybe could lowered even , n't tried exactly regardless microsoft says , set stacks 0 , 0 every single computer installed windows simple 386sx 16 486dx 50 eisa motherboards , tiga adapters , intel ethernet express cards , caching scsi controllers dtc problem yet , extra 2k gained means lot conventional memory programs like pcb john bodnar liked developing windows university texas austin applications , never inhaled internet jbodnar ccwf cc utexas edu uucp ! cs utexas ! ut ccwf ! jbodnar borland ceo philippe kahn remember reading somewhere \( qemm manual , think \) stack 9 , 256 needed windows setup program otherwise , use stack 0 , 0 rich hmmmmmm got comp windows pre installed , stacks still 9 , 256 needed setup , would n't morons take \? \? \? \( also , n't qemm manual , came comp , qemm manual , could anyone verify \? \? \? \) mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray jack straw wichita , cut buddy , dug shallow grave , lay body \( gd \)
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject two people married god 's eyes \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 51 question related jesus condemns divorce several times new testament , hard time catholic church \( far tell \) grant statement marriage never really existed god 's eyes \( please , , correct \) however , witnessed marriages two people much love recognized destroying staying marriage , problems due personal childhood issues never resolved ask , divorce justified case \? knew , , deeply love , end , work must admit n't see jesus forcing live together , even condemning go seek happiness someone else later opinions \? vera clock ! bind unto today vera noyes religion ! strong name noye midway uchicago edu ! trinity disclaimer lard st patrick 's breastplate disclaim \? commonly discussed question , though 's long enough 'll allow asked might expect , range answers catholics others say divorce never justified \( way , situations someone abused , serious cause , separation allowed traditions know one forced stay situation danger \) others see last resort situations fallen apart badly enough best hope choose lesser evils sense difficult legal question turns divorce , 's jesus' statement mark 10 11 12 par many things , turns approach bible conservative protestants tend see statements like exceptions liberal ones willing make situations literal interpretation would lead painful results \( noted time possible man divorce wife almost whim thus common explanation liberal approach jesus trying protect people sort thing , establish absolute rule could never exceptions \) catholics , typical catholic ethics , take theoretical hard line , allow exceptions practice process last discussion non catholic readers seemed accept reluctance cases might good alternative , feeling church often better job helping people prepare marriage deal problems come , properly run church , divorce necessary clh
arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) subject defamation league organization mcsnet contributor , chicago , il lines 235 distribution world nntp posting host localhost mcs com following posted doubt yigal ahrens considering importance issue almost total blackout except california , reposting groups la times , friday , april 9 , 1993 p a1 evidence adl spy operation seized police richard c paddock , times staff writer san francisco police thursday served search warrants anti defamation league los angeles , seizing evidence nationwide intelligence network accused keeping files 950 political groups , newspapers labor unions many 12 , 000 people describing spy operation great detail , san francisco authorities simultaneously released voluminous documents telling operatives anti defamation league searched trash infiltrated organizations gather intelligence arab american , right wing called pinko organizations representatives anti defamation league , well known organization u jewish community dedicated fighting anti semitism , declined detailed comment thursday denied breaking laws police organization maintains undercover operatives gather political intelligence least seven cities , including los angeles san francisco groups focus spy operation span political spectrum , including groups ku klux klan , white aryan resistance , operation rescue , greenpeace , national advancement colored people , united farm workers jewish defense league also list mills college , board directors san francisco public television station san francisco bay guardian newspaper people subjects spy operation included former republican rep pete , jailed political extremist lyndon h larouche los angeles times foreign correspondent scott kraft , based south africa authorities said much material collected groups confidential information obtained illegally law enforcement agencies also alleged data individuals organizations sold separately south african government addition allegations obtaining confidential information police , anti defamation league could face total 48 felony counts properly reporting employment chief west coast spy , roy bullock , according affidavit filed justify search warrant anti defamation league disguised payments bullock 25 years 550 week beverly hills attorney bruce hochman , paid bullock , according documents released san francisco hochman , former president jewish federation council greater los angeles one state 's leading tax attorneys , city late next week could reached comment , office said 1990 , hochman , former u prosecutor , also member panel appointed sen pete wilson secretly make initial recommendations new federal judges california hochman former regional president anti defamation league league , initially police , denied repeatedly intelligence gathering operation broke laws league officials confirm deny whether bullock employee said simply traded information police departments people might involved hate crimes affidavit filed obtain warrants thursday 's searches , san francisco police alleged adl employees apparently less truthful providing information earlier search conducted without warrant david lehrer , executive director los angeles adl office , said organization violated law nothing nefarious operate done , said record speaks police affidavit contends lehrer sole control secret fund used pay fact finding operations lehrer , according documents , signed checks account name l patterson adl official said account used pay subscriptions wide variety extremist publications might balk sending directly anti defamation league bullock , 58 , collecting intelligence adl nearly 40 years , defended efforts lengthy interview san francisco police said gathered names many sources entered computer headings skins , necessarily mean surveillance might never see call 99 , bullock said n't mean anything 're files 's threat anyone 's civil rights name appears files , say , ' recent years , bullock worked closely san francisco police officer tom gerard , fled last fall questioned fbi case former cia employee , gerard supplied bullock criminal records department motor vehicles information home addresses , vehicle registration , physical characteristics drivers license photographs using files gathered anti defamation league , gerard bullock also provided information south african government , receiving 16 , 000 four years , documents show file times staff writer kraft , apparently sold south african government , provides insight hit miss nature spy operation file notes kraft 's articles appear frequently times well researched written , little else file accurate brief entry confuses kraft another scott kraft provides south african government wrong kraft 's physical description , photograph personal information nevertheless , documents provide illuminating details bullock decades infiltrated manner organizations , left wing radicals , searching regularly trash target groups using anti defamation league funds , also ran paid informants code names scott scumbag worked closely police officers coast , exchanged information fbi worked federal agencies , including bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms bullock 's work paid informant fbi spying behalf anti defamation league south african government proved fbi learned agent foreign government began investigating , leading probe anti defamation league 's intelligence network anti defamation league employed undercover operatives gather information los angeles , san francisco , new york , washington , chicago , st louis atlanta , according affidavit investigators joining san francisco police searching league offices los angeles bank investigators office san francisco dist atty arlo smith state franchise tax board los angeles police department , earlier refused cooperate investigation , informed searches los angeles invited participate investigators suspect confidential information anti defamation league files may come los angeles police officers los angeles times , saturday , april 10 , 1993 p adl vows cooperate spy investigation richard c paddock , times staff writer san francisco anti defamation league defended record civil rights group friday said cooperate authorities investigating whether organization collected confidential police information citizens groups san francisco dist atty arlo smith said anti defamation league employees involved intelligence gathering could face many felony counts receiving confidential files , eavesdropping , tax violations conspiracy police accused anti defamation league truthful spying operations , collected information 12 , 000 individuals 950 political groups across political spectrum hundreds pages documents released prosecutors thursday show adl maintained nationwide intelligence network kept files political figures even , smith suggested anti defamation league shut spy operation , prosecutors would take account deciding charges file statement released washington , national director abraham h foxman described adl jewish defense agency fought protect minorities bigotry discrimination 80 years foxman said organization regarded credible source extremist groups tradition routinely providing information police , journalists , academics , government officials public never policy adl obtain information illegally , said like journalists , order protect confidentiality physical safety sources , adl comment nature identity source information , foxman said anti defamation league refused acknowledge one longtime employees , roy bullock , anything private individual alleged adl ' among documents released prosecutors detailed statements showing adl weekly payments bullock beverly hills attorney bruce hochman roy would penetrate organizations needed arrangement adl , hochman told san francisco police investigator hochman could reached friday home office comment despite anti defamation league 's assertion cooperate authorities , san francisco police said group turn pertinent documents voluntary search group 's offices los angeles san francisco last fall second round searches thursday , time search warrants , produced vast quantity records , primarily dealing financial transactions , smith said searches may necessary least month charges filed , said investigation , course , go wherever facts lead us , district attorney said yigal arens usc isi tv made ! arens isi edu js
mbeaving bnr ca \( beav \) subject dod confessional nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 31 ca n't help 've tried rational , look way , everytime happens , hate motorcycles first thought phase though would get used n't happen tried gazing 900 customs , time hurled large \( also picture german tourists cheering taking holiday snaps , ca n't figure part \) \? everytime read sig containing wheel wonder , shudder feel pity poor soul suffered enough imagine owner \( \) living discarded box , tucked next cx500 i'm hoping deliverance past milwaukee machine , actually begin understand preaching must hope beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking !
guvax acc georgetown edu subject new uniforms distribution world organization georgetown university lines 10 enjoy trend towards classic style uniform disagree person wants return non gray road uniforms remembered one , reason uniforms , especially hats \( new road green 's caps cardinal navy blue road cap \) , marketing money made sales new merchandise jeffrey popovich guvax georgetown edu
hays ssd intel com \( kirk hays \) subject proper gun control \? proper gun control \? \( gun like american express card \) nntp posting host taos organization intel supercomputer systems division lines 30 article iftccu ca boeing com , bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) writes iftccu talk politics guns hays ssd intel com \( kirk hays \) 3 31 pm apr 13 , 1993 pro gun posters group guns dread terminator , aka rifleman , owned firearms several years posting group , example others good point , kirk 's still around 's responded email couple posts , gosh darn , 's gotten right civil ! time got first firearm wonder relationship \? turns people \( least ones criminals start \) act responsibility given chance 'd like point error terminator began posting six months purchased first firearm , according private email ca n't produce archived posting earlier january 1992 , purchased first firearm march 1992 guess seemed like years back regularly scheduled flame fest kirk hays nra life , seventh generation thing necessary triumph evil good men nothing edmund burke \( 1797 \)
slegge kean ucs mun ca subject leafs versus wings lines 46 organization memorial university st john 's nfld , canada long leafs play short handed still expected score \? fine killing first \( 2 men couple minutes one point \) could n't keep spent virtually entire game either short handed coming soon 'd get grouped , 're penalized ! sheesh like gilmour said 1st ca n't go calling every little push shove game like 're going , teams pearson \( one four favorite leafs \) played like bonehead saw personally screw least 2 good scoring opportunities , got bonehead 5 minute major high sticking penalty cullen gotten stronger since return injury hand full games ago played good game players line smarten , line okay clark 's got get tough 's got intimidate go net send clark left wing blue line couple times patented wrist shot put numbers board pearson heck , maybe benched hate repeat grapes , heck foligno \? zezel ca n't checking get move need speed ! keep potvin net , okay considering although \( like said couple weeks ago \) potvin messed couple games ahl playoffs last year easily prediction last week toronto 7 games det wins blow outs game tor wins close still stand n't , leafs fans , order win 7 , team win 3 ! \) burns going make magic 'll mix lines match wings line per line 'll team checking hard , 'll never let get numbered end leafs win wednesday night take 1 home games \( probably first one \) stephen leaf legge slegge kean ucs mun ca
cantva canterbury ac nz \( james \) subject good electronic christian magazine \? organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 9 hi , 'd like subscribe leadership magazine wonder one disk instead paper disk would save illustrations , etc word processor 's cut paste good christian magazines like leadership disk media , 'd appreciate info gratitude , james
zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) subject going \? lines 27 organization curtin university technology distribution inet article sfu ca , fraser sfu ca \( guy thomas \) writes zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) writes article 1993apr16 1 cc curtin edu au , zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) writes ca n't bothered reading , get video manufacturing consent reply mail queries n't know video available yet asked month ao told rsn yes national film board canada ah , usa thats relief , thought must slipping second \) st noam radio tonight , published new book 501 years published south end guess could confirm please \? would love hear thinks clipper scam paul ps first posting saw thought joke bad taste person broke news
wolfson mit edu \( harry wolfson \) subject macx 1 2 color problem keywords mac x color window macx organization mit lincoln laboratory lines 16 stan kerr writes types client windows displayed , parts windows wrong color window moved slightly , forcing server repaint , repainted correct colors n't happen exact problem running hewlett packard 's microwave design system \( mds \) hp 380 unix box running macx 1 2 , sys 7 0 1 normally , mds draws window deep blue , occasionally becomes light blue text , etc , inside window become washed \( nearly invisible \) thought something brain dead subtle conflict another app init slightly moving window , forcing draw , colors get corrected harry wolfson wolfson mit edu
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject cell church discussion group organization indiana university lines 5 definition , would cell church iu , whole group gets together indianapolis \( 950 every week attendance \) joe fisher
kilroy gboro rowan edu \( dr nancy 's sweetie \) subject certainty arrogance organization rowan college new jersey lines 114 dean velasco quoted letter james stowell , president moody bible institute day , dry cleaner radio playing caught attention talk show guest criticizing evangelical christians , saying believe absolutes think ones know absolutes affirm absolutes scripture , arrogant moralists , believe god truth , revealed truth word , therefore hold precious strategic importance absolutes lot discussion , far nobody seems hit exactly criticism arrogance aimed arrogance attacked think ones know absolutes short , many evangelicals claim infallible matter religious texts particular , problem one epistemology , think epistemology know \? question , turns , troubling one problem , bottom , least thinking goes inside head unless certain everything happens head infallible , reasoning discover source truth question means absolute justification source authority means absolute certainty let 's take specific example biblical inerrancy , fictional inerrantist named \( following arguments applies idea papal infallibility , \) , presume , spent time studying bible , history , several topics concluded , based studies \( possibly religious experiences \) bible source absolute truth may correct even , cannot certain correct conclusion depends well studied history may made mistakes , references used may contained mistakes conclusion depends well studied bible may made mistakes conclusion depends reasoning may made mistakes \( noticing common thread yet \? 8 \) everything study world everything happened head limited thinking matter try cover mistakes , never certain infallibility long part belief based reasoning , belief cannot considered absolutely certain believes found source absolute truth belief good quality search made unless say reasoning flawless , conclusions doubt belief hold absolute sources truth depends part thinking way loop infallible thinker absolute certainty beliefs easy demonstrate let 's go back method epistemology know \? imagine hypothetical discussion bible source absolute truth b know \? studied history bible religious writings church teachings came conclusion b know studied history correctly \? well , double checked everything b know double checked correctly \? well , compared answers smart people agreed b smart guy believes something n't mean true know studied correctly \? , see , b eventually get point say ca n't prove mistakes long may made mistake , cannot absolutely certain way loop arrogance christians arises many people believe personal research give absolute certainty doctrines christianity implicitly claiming infallible , possibility mistake claiming cannot made mistake , thinking led flawless conclusion , pretty arrogant people want see argument explained great detail try find infallibility church , george salmon attacking idea pope infallible \( well \) , general argument applies equally well idea bible inerrant darren f provine kilroy gboro rowan edu core well founded belief , lies belief unfounded ludwig wittgenstein
stank cbnewsl cb att com \( stan krieger \) subject soc motss , et al princeton axes matching funds boy scouts article cbnewsl 1993apr6 organization summit nj lines 39 student writes somewhere , roger colin shouse writes radical gay dogma somewhere else claims claim claim knowing n't know least twenty instances kind fourth reich shit postings maybe fact i'm sure instances could counted , reproduce like virus consider words question best response weasels like shouse stan krieger \? possibilities \( \) study figure work , \( 1 \) remember 've learned combat clones get office \( 2 \) contribute insights favorite abnormal psych ward \( b \) learn overcome serial murder posting totally uncalled rec scouting point raised answered roger clearly stated support bsa position issue specifically , homosexual behavior constitutes violation scout oath \( specifically , promise live morally straight \) really nothing else discuss trying cloud issue comparisons blacks minorities also meaningless 's like comparing apples oranges \( e , people ca n't control race control behavior \) else possibly discuss rec scouting issue \? nobody , including bsa , denying anybody right live worship please n't please , n't mean bsa big bad wolf adhering recognized , positive , religious moral standards society established continue based stan krieger opinions , advice , suggestions , even unix system laboratories related employment , summit , nj usl com
polaris utu fi \( pasi fr nti \) subject helsinki stockholm nhl expansion \? organization university turku , finland lines 25 mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) writes low perhaps , surely high european nhl division finnish team , example , would contain players currently national team plus top class foreigner two would entirely different league tps jokerit , perhaps dozen players international class even settle minor league could best \? matter call teams , jokerit tps , helsinki tornado turku typhoon , best finland would eventually end teams anyway , big league 'd rather spend 150 marks watch helsinki tornado play montreal , ny rangers los angeles 50 marks \( \? \) privilege see jokerit vs jypht even 's nothing like nhl , period unrealistic maybe first expand finnish league allow teams baltic countries entry ! others get interested idea , maybe one settle something bigger ultimate goal , want , would european division nhl btw make final team american \?
cmh eng cam ac uk \( c hicks \) subject di boxes work \? organization cam eng lines 36 nntp posting host eng cam ac uk lancer oconnor wpi edu \( lewis \) writes i'm sound couple bands around need direct input boxes keyboards little boxes take line level keyboard transform low z run mixer sadly cost like 50 \( \) i'm going indeed one function , sophisticated ones level control ground lift \( separating keyboard mixer earths \) need like 5 10 ! looked inside one \( belonging another band \) looks like transformer anyone simple ones transformer decent quality audio trans former cost 50 wired thus hot hot \) \( input \) \( balanced mixer keyboard \) \( cold gnd gnd ground lift switch disconnects gnd line mixer transformer ratio depends precise application , around 10 1 turns ratio may good place start christopher christopher hicks paradise linear gaussian world cmh uk ac cam eng \( also reported taste hot sweaty \)
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject islam dress code women organization monash university , melb , australia lines 120 i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article 1993apr5 monu6 cc monash edu au darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes \( deletion \) course people say think religion , exactly coming different people within religion nothing existing different perspectives within religion perhaps one say tend converge truth point lot harm way meantime converge , religions appear split diverge even might core , layers determine happens practise , quite inhumane usually post supposed answer , n't see got say repeat religions harm people religions n't converge , split giving disagree upon lot disagreement one tolerant one tolerant ideologies also split , giving disagree upon , may also lead intolerance also oppose ideologies \? n't think argument argument religion , points weaknesses human nature \( big deletion \) \( 2 \) women souls islam \? people said muslims say women souls must admit never heard view held muslims era heard christians eras holding viewpoint , muslims sure might confusing christian history islamic history \? yes , supposed predominant view turkish would like reference got one , news anyhow , women spiritual equals men clearly shown many verses qur'an example , qur'an says muslim men women , believing men women , devout men women , true men women , men women patient constant , men women humble , men women give charity , men women fast \( deny \) , men women guard chastity , men women engage much god 's praise god prepared forgiveness great reward qur'an 33 35 , abdullah yusuf ali 's translation quotes , think quote shows men women spiritual equals \( thus , women souls men \) clearly , implies souls , say souls given quote given high priority interpretations one must approach qur'an intelligence thinking approach qur'an cannot interpret verse others like women men spiritual equals think verse clearly imply women souls make sense something without soul forgiven \? great reward \( understood life \) \? think usual answer would case , part saying god prepared forgiveness great reward says souls \( makes sense say things without souls forgiven , idea soul \) saying quote may given high priority interpretations , thinking approach qur'an give verses qur'an equal priority , according muslim belief , whole qur'an revelation god fact , denying truth part qur'an sufficient considered disbeliever islam quite similar post , even quran encourage slavery , justified say iit forbids puts end slavery non sequitur look , approach qur'an must done intelligence thought fashion one try understand quran 's message book finite length , cannot explicitly answer every question want put , teachings guide think , however , women spiritual equals men clearly unambiguously implied verse , since women clearly forgiven rewarded must souls \( verse \) let 's try understand qur'an trying teach , rather try see many ways misinterpreted ignoring passage passage qur'an based ignoring verse verse infinite , interpretations fully consistent limited let 's try discuss interpretations consistent text rather people ignore bit bit , showing people try twist islam ends something deny provides reflection true teachings islam whatsoever fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
lmh juliet caltech edu \( henling , lawrence \) subject christian 's need christianity \( \) organization california institute technology lines 26 article apr 16 23 17 40 1993 1861 geneva rutgers edu , mussack austin ibm com writes example universe exist \? whether find pascal 's \( \? \) wager spend lives searching , merely wasted lives , meaningless anyway suppose universe 5 billion years old , suppose lasts another 5 billion years suppose live 100 nothing , small scary searching along friends earth nothing else n't scared find view christianity quite sad idea life meaning importance creator seem like much basis belief logic also appalling god must exist want heard line reasoning wonder prevalent certainly modern society many people convinced life hopeless \( pollsters newscasts state \) , n't see good reason become religious want join cult , waco \? leaders give security blanket desire larry henling lmh shakes caltech edu
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject good grief ! \( candida albicans \? \) organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 81 article rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article davpa ida liu se \( david partain \) writes someone know recently diagnosed candida albicans , disease find information apparently something body 's production yeast time highly allergic yeast anyone tell \? candida albicans cause severe life threatening infections , usually people otherwise quite ill , however , sort illness probably discussing systemic yeast syndrome body allergic yeast considered quack diagnosis mainstream medicine book yeast connection talks illness convincing evidence disease exists 's lot evidence , n't adequately gathered published way convince die hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word used example , dr ivker , wrote book sinus survival , always gives , treatment , systemic anti fungal \( nizoral \) new patients 've spectrum anti 4 times last two years 's kept record results , 2000 patients found 90 patients get significant relief allergic sinus symptoms course , beginning program case , reported weeks ago , developing classic symptoms outlined 'the yeast connection' \( agree poorly written book \) e g , extreme sensitivity plastics , , etc never \( started november \) within one week full dosage sporanox , sensitivity chemicals fully disappeared sit couch home without dying two minutes i'm also greatly improved areas well course , allergy symptoms , etc especially allergic molds , yeasts , etc n't take rocket scientist figure one excessive colonization yeast body , natural allergy yeasts , threshold would reached would perceptible symptoms also , yeast produce toxins various sorts , , n't rocket scientist realize toxins cause problems people case sinus since 's center allergic response course , 60 , 000 question whether person immune compromised \( tests showed 5 years antibiotics , deficiencies stress infections allergies , etc \) , develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere body tough question answer since testing excessive yeast colonization easy one almost take empirical approach diagnosis fortunately , sporanox relatively safe unlike past anti fungals \( still careful , however \) 's reason longer withhold sporanox treatment empirical reasons btw , would say try nystatin unfortunately , yeast grows hyphae deep tissue nystatin permanent affect 'll find lot people nystatin time summary , appreciate attempts desire keep medicine right road methinks hold firmly party line academics n't trenches long enough actually treating patients anybody , doctors included , said face evidence 'yeast connection' , cannot guarantee safety incompetence , ripping lips justified far concerned jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
ssd comm mot com \( \) subject lo jack organization motorola keywords n nntp posting host 145 1 172 11 lines 9 according representative saw recently , must installed authorized dealer , placed one \( roughly \) 30 spots car thanks , steve att com ! ! sure ,
ubvm cc buffalo edu subject barbecued foods health risk organization university buffalo lines 38 nntp posting host ubvm cc buffalo edu article cup portal com mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes n't understand assumption something found carcinogenic would legal u think , something called delany amendment makes carcinogenic food additives illegal amount passed congress 1950 's , stuff like mass became available , increased detectable levels substances couple orders magnitude things like red 2 banned weakly carcinogenic huge quantities rats , act banned also applies natural carcinogens might remember time back 1960 's root beer suddenly stopped good , never tasted good time banned active flavoring ingredient sassafras leaves possible market root beer good like old days , someone would , order make money fact one indicates enforcement still effect odd exception rule seems product known file' nothing ground dried sassafras leaves natural product , natural product still natural form , maybe 's evade delany maybe special exemption made , appease powerful louisiana democrats think keep mind even though may illegal commercially produce sell food carcinogenic substances , illegal people food \( smoking , etc \) true \?
ethridge \( allen ethridge \) subject tapped , code good nntp posting host organization bnr , inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 19 amanda walker \( amanda intercon com \) wrote uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes deletions reconcile administrations self proclaimed purpose providing law enforcement access encrypted data without making clipper system crypto available u \? second fourth amendments come mind think heard someplace \( misc legal \? , comp org eff talk \? \) courts pretty much eliminated fourth amendment already allen well sf ca us words got wound ethridge bnr ca get well , opinions believe jim morrison
glenn network ucsd edu \( glenn \) subject laserwriter pro 600 memory upgrade \( 4 8 \) summary apple dealers provide free upgrade keywords apple printer , memory upgrade article network distribution world organization university california , san diego lines 25 nntp posting host network ucsd edu 've got official word laserwriter pro 600 memory upgrade got phone quite friendly donna rossi apple customer assistance tells purchased laserwriter pro 600 4 megabyte \( , greyscale \) configuration contact original dealers supposed provide 4 meg memory upgrade n't know , extra 4 meg allow printing greyscale \( \) dealers questions , directed hardware support numbers apple customer assistance 1 800 776 , 408 996 1010 \( corporate number \) regards , glenn p personally , i'm annoyed school bookstore really obligation provide information customers purchased 600 original configuration \( records 's ask things like phone number \) get upgrade completed , i'm going write apple complain
mach1 wlu ca \( robert u \) subject planets still images orbit ether twist x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 organization wilfrid laurier university lines 2 please get real life
full gl pts mot com \( glen fullmer \) subject needed plotting package nntp posting host dolphin reply glen fullmer pts mot com organization paging wireless data group , motorola , inc comments hyperbole mail buttons accepted , v3 07 lines 27 looking graphics cad whatever package x unix box take file records like n b p n count integer entity string b entity b string p type string produce networked graph nodes represented boxes circles vertices represented lines width line determined n would different line type type boxes need identified entity 's name number entities 1000 vertices would nice tool minimized line cross good job layout \) looked faq comp graphics gnuplot without success ideas would appreciated \? thanks , glen fullmer , glen fullmer pts mot com , \( 407 \) 364 3296 successful technology , reality must take precedence public relations , nature cannot fooled richard p feynman
rog cdc hp com \( roger \) subject sex problem article news organization hp california design center , santa clara , ca lines 15 nntp posting host hammer cdc hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 larry silverberg \( ls8139 albnyvms bitnet \) wrote hello , suggested go sex counselor , really n't want \( yet \) interesting know placed info request net world see \? , think would react found \? would accept advice unknown entities rather counselor \? suggestions would appreciated see counselor well , asked
rgooch rp csiro au \( richard gooch \) subject animation xputimage \( \) \? organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines 51 article 1993apr22 2190 infodev cam ac uk , dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) writes implemented seems achieve display rates \( 20 frames sec ipx \) get sunview , though 's bit choppy times also , loading data , making ximage , pixmap bit cumbersome , animation slower load sunview better way load data \? rgooch rp csiro au \( richard gooch \) writes need speed , client run host x server , use shared memory extension sample x server \( mit shm \) xdpyinfo tell server extension certainly available sample mit x server running sunos word warning make sure kernel configured support shared memory another word warning openwindows slower mit server written imaging tool \( using xview gui , way \) yields 10 frames per second 512 512 8 bit images , running sparc ipc \( half cpu grunt ipx \) proved quite sufficient animations regards , richard gooch shared memory \( also mentioned delphi beckman uiuc edu , nick \) looks interesting , need someone point documentation method likely give better results server resident pixmaps \? 'd also interested looking xview code mentioned thanks help far get something decent put together , 'll definitely post net mit tapes come documentation written keith packard shared memory extension x look mit doc extensions mit shm ms found unfortunately , bit work set shared memory segments , making ximage , etc also , extension query determine server supports , still need test server running host shared memory enabled kernel written layers routines make transparent xview code , well , doubt would considered interesting interesting stuff done c object library people interested code email regards , richard gooch , rgooch csiro au
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject hitler pagan christian \? \( martin luther \) cunyvm bitnet juts ccc amdahl com organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 10 article juts ccc amdahl com ccc amdahl com \( chris lee \) writes article cunyvm bitnet kevxu cunyvm bitnet writes irish version called st 's cross 's also three legged symbol isle man three legged symbol bit different , word ca n't recall , tri something , \? , n't know triple goddess three phases reflected females girl woman
virginia edu \( wing commander \) subject cool bmp files \? \? organization university virginia distribution usa lines 4 anybody gotten bmp work \? try uudecode , get input file error picture anybody \? casey
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject panther 's president organization university toronto chemistry department lines 20 article cybernet cse fau edu cybernet cse fau edu \( jim \) writes little bio sun sentinel torrey , architect four consecutive stanley cup champions general manager new york islanders throughout 27 years nhl , bill torrey 's bow ties become much signature andre 's hair panthers introduce uniform , insignia , ticket price information early next month meantime , huizenga leaves day day operation hands torrey bob clarke , vp gm san jose sharks ottawa senators second gm already 'd willing wager sharks senators probably see 3rd gm 's perhaps 4th , see panthers second gerald
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject tapped , code good organization 's apprentice cleaning services reply amanda intercon com 's message mon , 19 apr 1993 11 18 47 0500 nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 28 example , n't cordless phone clipper , would local men blue really want listen talk friends order pizza , i'm worse , n't worry local kids neighbors tend agree sigh , buy des encrypted cellular phone \? much cost \? course , n't government cellular phone service , probably would available reconcile administrations self proclaimed purpose providing law enforcement access encrypted data without making clipper system crypto available u \? second fourth amendments come mind second amendment especially apt , given itar definitions crypto equipment munitions , gun control people 's increasing ability define things assault weapons make illegal triple des obviously used assault phones , cripple legal , triple cripple may fall gray area illegally upgrading assault phone pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
scrowe hemel bull co uk \( simon crowe \) subject point within polygon summary algorithm find point bound polygon keywords point , polygon nntp posting host bogart organization bull hn uk lines 7 looking algorithm determine given point bound polygon anyone code reference book containing information subject \? regards simon
tvartiai vipunen hut fi \( tommi vartiainen \) subject suhonen go jokerit keywords suhonen nntp posting host vipunen hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 12 tvartiai vipunen hut fi tvartiai vipunen hut fi \( tommi vartiainen \) writes according inside information , alpo suhonen wo n't next jokerit 's pretty sure boris majorov continue , although owner team previously said chance coach tommi wrong information announced suhonen made deal jokerit tommi
eder hsvaic boeing com \( dani eder \) subject guns space keywords gun , space organization boeing ai center , huntsville , al lines 22 reference limits acceleration guns launching solid rockets payloads thiokol provided samples data reinforcement solid motor grains high accelerations solid motor propellants usually substantial percentage aluminum mix example , space shuttle srbs 16 percent aluminum technique use structure structure looks like inverse set bubbles \( suspect process used form \) words , made bunch bubbles molten aluminum , froze , get forms strong network effectively aluminum wires directions remaining solid fuel mix infiltrated , get aluminum reinforced solid propellant aluminum makes 6 percent total propellant , still aluminum particles bulk grain major improvement higher resistance grain cracking , principal failure mode solid propellant dani eder dani eder meridian investment company \( 205 \) 464 2697 \( w \) 232 7467 \( h \) rt 1 , box 188 2 , athens al 35611 location 34deg 37' n 86deg 43' w 100m alt
subject monitor shut 13 hi res eis calstate edu \( steven adams \) organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 34 luck however call local apple dealer said thinks serial numbers machines covered begin either 70 53 56 , maybe one also told apple extended service serial numbers another year ! ! ! still hope get monitor ! ! jeffh ludwig cc uoregon edu \( jeff hite \) writes article 1993apr15 guvax acc georgetown edu hew guvax acc georgetown edu writes defect 13 hi res monitors , bring dealer replace flyback free , think heard problem work today fixing free r r service notice 13 hi res monitors expired 3 23 93 date apple reimburse service providers fix \( replacement hi voltage capacitor \) folks putting without getting service provider missed freebie force year got free 3 23 , got deal jeff hite computing center u oregon jeffh ludwig cc uoregon edu
ingles engin umich edu \( ray ingles \) subject yeah , right organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 49 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu article mimsy umd edu mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes benedikt rosenau writes revelation thing , charley \? 're talking intellectual engagement revelation , well , 's obviously risk one takes ah , core question let suggest scenario grant god exists , uses revelation communicate humans \( said revelation taking form \( paraphrased words \) infinitely powerful deity grabs poor , makes take , hides away hundred years' \) , exists human personally experienced revelation person observes revelations seem contain elements contradict rather strongly aspects observed world \( person ever seen \) , many mutually contradictory claims revelation , based , person blamed concluding , absent personal revelation , almost certainly nothing thing \? i'm objectivist , i'm particularly impressed problems problem case least bad trying explain quantum mechanics relativity terms ordinary experience one get rough understanding , language , perspective ordinary phenomena , inconsistent , perspective 's described , rather \( charitable \) analogous situation \( supposedly \) obtains metaphysics problem better descriptive language available absent better language , absent observations support claims revelation , one blamed doubting whole thing \? driving thought long time come honest conclusion deity , nothing like ones proposed religion familiar , happen , say , christian god , held accountable honest mistake \? sincerely , ray ingles ingles engin umich edu meek earth rest us going stars ! robert heinlein
jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu \( john f nielsen \) subject good grief ! \( candida albicans \? \) nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 45 article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes article dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) writes article noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes good grief anger \? must really touched raw nerve let 's see symptoms resisted treatments sporanox totally alleviated within one week hmmm , must psychotic ! 's illness mind thanks steve correct diagnosis must lot experience trenches , treating hundreds patients week thank i'm forever debt jon \( oops , gotta run , men white coats ready take away , haha , happy home , go thumbs , basket , moan sinuses \) ever heard something called placebo effect \? think dyer reacting looks yet another case old quackery true current medical knowledge limited , realize many quacks exist eager suck 's playing lottery best results got clear obvious , would mind trying little experiment see true \? would quite simple sugar pills real pills take one set one week set another week without knowing ones real pills end 2 weeks compare results let 's say 're wife would know real ones experiencing true marked difference week john john nielsen magnus consultant baldrick , renaissance something happened people , n't \? black adder
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject comet temporary orbit around jupiter \? article srl03 pgf organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 22 shag aero org \( rob unverzagt \) writes article kelvin jpl nasa gov baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) writes according iau circular , comet shoemaker levy 1993e , may temporarily orbit around jupiter comet apparently made close flyby jupiter sometime 1992 resulting breakup comet attempts determine comet 's orbit complicated near impossibility measuring comet 's center mass missing something knowing comet 's center mass orbit determination \? shag i'm sure , almost sounds like ca n't figure nucleus within coma 're couple hundred miles , well , imagine rest phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
jchen wind bellcore com \( jason chen \) subject haggle deals save \? \? \? nntp posting host wind bellcore com reply jchen ctt bellcore com organization bell communications research distribution usa lines 2 local dealer advertising negotiation necessary ! make wonder
roell informatik tu muenchen de \( thomas roell \) subject 24 bit graphics cards reply parsec paradyne com 's message wed , 14 apr 1993 21 59 34 gmt organization inst fuer informatik , technische univ muenchen , germany lines 20 looking eisa vesa local bus graphic cards support least resolution know matrox one , expensive cards know , support , isa \( s3 928 , , 4mb , eisa \) , premier \( s3 928 , , 4mb , isa vl \) \? also x servers unix pc support 24 bits \? happens , sgcs xserver \( x386 1 4 \) cards please email info sgcs com details thomas das , e mail roell sgcs com das , include sys pizza h es , es hat ja zeit
mfoster alliant backbone uoknor edu \( marc foster \) subject final season chl stuff originator news essex ecn uoknor edu distribution na nntp posting host essex ecn uoknor edu organization university oklahoma , norman , ok lines 218 final stats chl 1992 1993 season central hockey league memorial drive suite 205 tulsa , ok phone \( 918 \) 664 fax \( 918 \) 664 2215 founder president ray miron commissioner monte miron marketing director jim goodman information director eric kolb team owned league , local controlling day day operations working agreements nhl affiliations team team 100 , 000 salary cap 17 total players \( 16 dress \) team limited 11 , meaning least 6 players must americans \( ignore rule tulsa , 2 americans roster playoffs \) teams play wichita , tulsa , oklahoma city , memphis , fort worth , dallas future expansion plans include houston , san antonio , rouge , little rock , el paso , albuquerque , tuscon , austin possibility dallas move houston san antonio fall , rouge little rock likely 94 95 teams fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant co conv cen \( 11 , 342 \) kansas coliseum \( 9 , 686 \) colors red black blue , silver , black gm george bill coach pete doug phone \( 817 \) 335 fire \( 316 \) 264 season tix 300 240 250 170 single tix 12 10 9 6 radio announcers dallas freeze tulsa oilers arena fair park coliseum \( 7 , 500 \) civic center \( 6 , 847 \) colors teal black orange blue gm tom koch jeff lund coach ron flockhart gary unger personal guardians phone \( 214 \) 421 puck \( 918 \) 663 5888 season tix 300 240 ray monte single tix 12 10 7 9 6 miron radio 660 announcers bruce levine jeff mark stone jeff bowen memphis river kings oklahoma city blazers arena mid south coliseum \( 9 , 384 \) myriad \( 13 , 399 \) state fair arena colors gold black red , yellow , black \( 9 , 760 \) gm jim riggs brad lund coach steve carlson mike phone \( 901 \) 278 \( 405 \) 235 puck season tix 250 170 single tix 9 6 9 6 radio 600 640 announcers dave john brooks tom brian 92 93 regular season standings w l pts gf ga pim avg \( cap \) oklahoma city blazers 39 18 3 81 291 232 7 , 827 64 2 tulsa ice oilers 35 22 3 73 270 230 1430 5 , 547 81 0 dallas freeze 31 25 4 66 276 242 1604 4 , 427 59 0 memphis 26 27 7 59 253 272 1670 5 , 590 59 6 fort worth fire 24 29 7 55 252 288 4 , 920 43 7 wichita thunder 25 33 2 52 242 320 1876 4 , 474 46 2 playoffs tulsa defeated dallas , 4 games 3 \( \) oklahoma city defeated memphis , 4 games 2 \( \) levin trophy finals tulsa defeated oklahoma city , 4 games 1 \( \) playoff mvp tony , tulsa \( special votes ray monte miron \) team vs team 92 93 dallas fort worth memphis oklahoma city tulsa wichita dallas 9 2 1 5 5 2 5 6 1 5 7 0 7 5 0 fort worth 3 7 2 4 6 2 4 8 0 8 3 1 5 5 2 memphis 7 4 1 8 3 1 2 8 2 2 8 2 7 4 1 oklahoma city 7 4 1 8 3 1 10 2 0 6 6 0 8 3 1 tulsa 7 5 0 4 7 1 10 2 0 6 6 0 8 2 2 wichita 5 7 0 7 3 2 5 7 0 4 8 0 4 8 0 power play statistics penalty statistics ppg pct ppg saves pct city 70 275 2 25 45 city 58 241 299 16 80 60 tulsa 72 291 12 24 74 dallas 68 278 346 14 80 34 dallas 64 286 10 22 37 tulsa 77 276 353 16 78 18 fort worth 85 387 16 21 96 wichita 75 235 310 5 75 806 wichita 81 396 24 20 45 memphis 83 260 343 12 75 801 memphis 65 329 12 19 75 fort worth 76 237 313 13 75 71 penalty record 10 min game gross pim avg minor major bench misc misc misc match pim wichita 1876 31 3 433 84 20 22 24 0 3 1998 fort worth 29 1 471 59 29 26 23 2 0 1911 memphis 1670 27 8 480 56 28 28 13 1 1 dallas 1604 26 7 477 60 2 20 15 0 0 city 26 0 438 67 14 14 21 0 0 tulsa 1430 23 8 505 26 6 21 8 0 0 scoring period 1st period 2nd period 3rd period overtime shootout totals gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga gf ga dallas 76 82 106 82 90 74 0 1 4 3 276 242 fort worth 70 81 92 112 84 88 3 5 3 2 252 288 memphis 66 88 101 89 82 88 2 3 2 4 253 272 city 98 87 82 71 108 71 1 1 2 2 291 232 tulsa 99 58 92 83 76 86 3 1 0 2 270 230 wichita 79 92 73 109 84 117 2 0 4 2 242 320 92 93 star team position first team second team goaltender tony martino , tulsa robert desjardins , wichita \( tie \) alan perry , oklahoma city \( tie \) defensemen dave , dallas mike berger , dallas guy , oklahoma city tom , tulsa center carl boudreau , oklahoma city joe burton , oklahoma city left wing sylvain fleury , oklahoma city doug lawrence , tulsa right wing daniel , oklahoma city tom mutch , memphis \( tie sylvain , tulsa \( tie \) regular season mvp sylvain fleury , oklahoma city rookie year bobby desjardins , wichita leading defenseman dave , dallas leading goaltender tony martino , tulsa scoring leaders points team gp g pts goals team gp g fleury , sylvain okc 59 48 53 101 fleury , sylvain okc 53 48 lawrence , doug tul 57 22 73 95 , daniel okc 48 43 , sylvain tul 58 39 48 87 mutch , tom mem 59 43 mutch , tom mem 59 43 38 81 , ken mem 54 40 hall , taylor tul 58 35 45 80 , sylvain tul 58 39 , ken mem 54 40 35 75 taylor , jason dal 60 38 , wayne dal 57 35 37 72 boudreau , carl okc 48 27 44 71 assists team gp , daniel okc 48 43 27 70 lawrence , doug tul 57 73 taylor , jason dal 60 38 32 70 fleury , sylvain okc 59 53 dent , ted wch 60 25 44 69 , sylvain tul 58 48 sanderson , mike ftw 60 37 31 68 , dave dal 50 46 , dave wch 58 35 32 67 hall , taylor tul 58 45 , mario tul 54 31 34 65 , guy okc 60 45 , keith wch 58 21 44 65 , peter mem 60 28 35 63 penalty minutes team gp pim johnston , scot mem 51 23 40 63 , ron ftw 28 237 burton , joe okc 55 35 26 61 , tom tul 56 235 , steve okc 56 33 28 61 johnson , craig okc 50 219 , ernest ftw 52 22 37 59 , greg wch 34 212 , tony tul 37 23 35 58 batten , john mem 29 210 , dave dal 50 10 46 56 taylor , jason dal 60 210 leading goaltenders \( 20 games \) team gpi min gaa w l en ga saves save pct martino , tony tul 39 3 66 23 13 2 0 2 133 1186 899 perry , alan okc 40 3 72 25 13 2 3 0 149 1304 897 , mike dal 40 3 78 24 14 2 3 1 150 1223 891 , mem 56 4 15 26 21 6 4 1 214 1603 882 smith , greg dal 21 4 15 7 11 2 0 0 86 753 897 desjardins , bobby wch 52 4 63 21 26 2 6 1 220 1877 895 , ftw 33 4 75 14 13 2 3 0 141 974 874 goalies team gpi min gaa w l en ga saves save pct , brian tul 11 488 3 44 4 3 1 1 1 28 274 907 , paul okc 17 1029 3 50 13 3 1 0 0 60 583 907 , jamie tul 13 681 3 79 6 5 0 1 0 43 399 903 , matt ftw 4 179 3 69 3 1 0 1 0 11 100 901 , matt tul 1 34 5 29 0 0 0 0 0 3 13 813 \( totals \) 5 213 3 94 3 1 0 1 0 14 113 890 raymond , eric tul 3 181 3 98 2 1 0 0 0 12 87 879 , michael ftw 18 911 4 28 6 6 2 0 0 65 559 896 , steve mem 15 535 5 16 0 6 1 4 0 46 235 836 , ftw 17 746 4 99 1 9 3 3 0 62 365 855 , okc 2 120 6 50 0 2 0 0 0 13 93 877 \( totals \) 19 866 5 20 1 11 3 3 0 75 458 859 harvey , alain wch 5 240 5 50 2 2 0 2 0 22 126 851 gosselin , wch 10 345 6 43 2 3 0 0 0 37 227 860 gosselin , okc 1 60 5 00 1 0 0 0 0 5 26 839 \( totals \) 11 405 6 22 3 3 0 0 0 42 253 896 , murray wch 2 120 9 00 0 2 0 0 0 18 84 824 mcdonnell , dan tul 1 34 8 83 0 0 0 0 0 5 24 828 sauer , e j tul 1 12 10 00 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 667 clark , joel wch 2 48 10 00 0 0 0 0 0 8 29 784 , steve wch 2 24 12 50 0 0 0 0 0 5 6 545 marc dee foster , r h contact chl
hk mlr forsythe stanford edu \( mark rogowsky \) subject pds vs nubus \( lc iii nubus capable \? \) organization stanford university lines 42 distribution usa nntp posting host morrow stanford edu article 1993apr16 1 fnalf fnal gov , higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) writes article c5kzls kkb dartvax dartmouth edu , hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) writes mmiller garnet msen com \( marvin miller \) writes friend recently purchased lc iii wants know demon called nubus adapter pds slot \? lc family macs use pds cards able use nubus ah , \? technically hip macslinger tell us difference pds nubus \? impossible make gadget plugs pds ends nubus card cage \? least , marvin 's friend able locate one neither fundamental reason \? \) ' ' , , ' , \) \( \) \( \) zap ! \( \) \( \) bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins fnal bitnet internet higgins fnal fnal gov span hepnet 43011 higgins second wave makes nubus card cages work pds slots least three macs se 30 , iisi centris 610 , knowledge , announced device lcii , could make one , technologically pds card goes cage simply needs nubus controller circuitry present nubus macs , though , anyone care \? three pds adapter lc lcii soon one lciii pds better nubus people applications granted , nubus cards , applications require nubus card \( like full motion video capture \) n't done lc lcii lciii anyway mark
des inmos co uk \( david shepherd \) subject dcc next dat dds like st lines 25 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 brownvm brown edu wrote far tell , md offshoot technology already exists mo drive mo drives exist already computers 're expensive bit slow , disks \( 128 mb disks \) dan read recent article personal computer world mainly new digit formats \( dcc md \) end talked nice would use data storage brief calculation much data could store author talking someone sony formats mentioned get reply md purely audio format , would n't use data , pressed info mo sony man basically admitted slight md ! think original poster wanting mo drives md audio player prices 'd assume problem md system higher tolerances mo system ear n't pick occasional bit error well archiving program ! david shepherd des inmos co uk tel x 625 inmos ltd , 1000 west , , bristol , n't like rates , n't like poll tax , wo n't like council tax nicholas ridley
sergei morgan com \( sergei \) subject warning \( please read \) nntp posting host organization morgan stanley lines 19 mchaffee dcl nxt07 \( michael chaffee \) writes valued terms money human beings , submit human beings submissions made , e g regarding jews article 1993apr21 nuscc nus sg , matmcinn nuscc nus sg \( matthew macintyre national university senegal \) writes absolutely scratch car bothers death number scum feel way wo n't admit people going realise mere fact piece flesh moves approximate shape human mean rights \? dirty harry types , eager pull gun scum guilty scratching stupid painted metal boxes wheels ever killed human speak lightly matters \? sergei
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w \? wt '1z4 9f q , 3 q , 0qax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7r ! 3 \) 3 wg \) yu \) 3a nax 'ax 'as q , 3 75 al 45u , mn h 2 8r , 4 \? 45 \) y0 ! c c 'w \? w \? wt 'i 6e pmfq , 0qax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax k us 8 \? b l 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'a ! sz \) 7z vu 2x ! l \) 2j l \? sl 'ax 'aq1 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ` p bl fgo 5 \( 8 'ax h nxy 4 \? ! c \( 4s 4w ! hq bj 7 , 2tm \) q \( f e 7 q 7 q 7 0t \( om 5 p ml p 1d9 1eq \( 9f9`p 7klj gk \? su ` u5 ql mm uj \( r' , 1f z6ei 5'1t j3 n`0 ! \) li \) q 9 w ! \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax qq , 1f z5'w z bj 7 9f9f9f9d 2tm \( 9f9`p , 7ez giz giz giz giz giz giz ghj bhj gk \? w \? gizwt ' mi 4 v9f9l3 q 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 45 145 145 145 145 22 mdi 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 25 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) mr g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3` p g m9v \? q 4t \( n u34 p 1eq 9d 7klj bhj giz gk \? w \? w \? wt 'i0l m9l3 , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 7r \) jb 0 r q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 , 3 75 3bx ! 45u , mn h 2 8r , 4 , \) p8 ! i2 , c n n n n n n n bizwt e v q 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax k 8m l \? b l 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! sz \) 7z vu 2x ! \? , b mk r sl 'ax 'az \) 3 \( 5 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'as bl fgo 5 \( 8 'ax dc nxy 74 \? c 3k mx 8 4w ! hq `yd 2 7 9 ! 3 v g m9v \? q 4tb wm4 p 1eq \( 9d 7ey n n nrhj bhj gk \? 1z4 su ` u m5 ol kh oit uj \( r'ax qq 8 pnei 6 \? i9 mgm \( n`0 ! \) li 5 3 \? , q \? , e \( 't q , 3 q , 3' q q , 8 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3' q , 3 q , 3 q 8 v9f9f q , 3 q 9f m9 l pl nei4 'w z bj 7ex f9d tg 9 1fpl p ml pl `9 1d9 7 qtm 2tct 3t 9f9f0 , 7ey n n n n biz giz ghj bhj giz gizw '1z6e v9fq , 3 , 3' q , 3 , 3 q , 3 'ax 'ax q , 8 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 4 m5 145 145 145 145 145 22di 2di 2de145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 ! 86 a86 a86 \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b8g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) mr8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3` g9v gq 4t 2 u3l `9 \( mn n nrhj \? w '1z4 9f q , 0q , 3 qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a 7u \? \) , mb ! r q , 3 q , 3 ! 45u , mk 2 8r , 4 746 , \) p8 ! i2 , c` , `p , `p , `p , `p 9l0q , 3 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! u t4 \( ' l r l 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! sz \) 7z \( 0r 2 g q 2 k sq 'ax 'au \? 35t 345 bb ! 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax \) bl 5 \( 8 'ax m5 xy 74 \? c 2 x 8 e 9l 8n 0tq 7 p p 5u \) u34u p 7 qtm \( f0 nrizw \? 1t ei0l \? zm u5 2 ! ! \? 9 uj \( 'ax q , 1f9 l 6 s4 5 8w q \) , m9 l pl l pl z6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei4 e1t \? \? ghj kn bhj bhj ghj bj nuy 7kn 7ey n n n n n n 7 , `yd \) q 1fpl wmbxn bxn 0t 0t 0t 2 b wm 5 34 wm4u pl `9 1d9 7 q 7'2 9f9`p 7ey n n n n bizwt , 3 q , 3 q , 3' q 9f , 3 q , 3' q q , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 45 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 ! 86 a86 \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b g \) r g \) mr g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 p 9v \? 2 5 p 1eq \( 3t f9f9 7ey 7klj gizw \? wt e v q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a `45u 7u \? \? , ` \) h pl 6ei 6ei4 75 ! 45u , qk 2 8r , 4 7 6`w \) y0 ! c , ! , `p 7kn bizw e v q q , 3 qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! , s8 il 'ax 'ax ' max 'a ! \) 7z \( 0r 2 \) ltt q k 'q 'ax 'au n 345 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 83n 5 \( 8 'ax d5 xy 745 jr ! c 2 x , ! p 5 mbs3 mq6 g p , 3 q , \) 0 ! ` 5 p 1eq 9d 7ez nriz mwt '1t '1t 'i 6e v , 3 'ax 'ax 'su \? zm u5 2 9 \? ni \? 9 6a f mm \( 'ax 'as qq 9f pn 5 s4 b 5 5 \) x 6ei 6ei 6ei 5'1t '1t '1t '1t '1t \? \? w z giz bhjn n n n n `p 9f9d 3t 2tm 2 7 9 1d9 pl 3l pl ! d9 1d9 1fpl mbxlt 3 q6 g p p p tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3` tq , m3 p p gq 4t \( om 5 p 1d9 7 qtm 2tcv9f0 , `uz nrhj gizw \? 1t e q q , 3 , 3 q , 3 qq , 3 z6ei 6e pmf q 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 6 a86 e145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 ! 86 a86 \) mr g \) r8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , v g m9v \? q 4tb u34 `9 1eqtct f9f9f9f9`p , 7ey 7kn nrhj giz \? 1t ' m1t '1 \? w '1z6e v9f9l3 , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! 5u 7u \? ` l 1t '1t '1t ' mi 575 3bx ! 45u , ' 2 8r , 74 pw \) y0 ! c ! , `p , `uy n lj gizwt '1t e v ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a \) 0 ! g 4 \( il q l 3 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \) 7z vu 2 \( \( 2j l \) 2t rl 'ax 'au 3 \( 5p \) p , 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 m8 z , cq 3l 5 x \( 'ax xy 45 vj z ! c \( r mx , ! f ! 18 , , 5g9p , 3 q , 3 q , em \) 0 ! `0 gk ! q 'ax qq , 0q , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'su \? m5 2 9 6ni \? 6a f \( 'ax 'ax 'ax j d' s4 b \) vesa hp 8 51s \) giz giz giz giz giz giz bhj kn nuy `p 9 3w2tm 2tm 2tm \) q 7 q 1d9 1fpl 3 8n bxlt 0t 0t 3 q6 g p , 3 q , 3 q , b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3 q , mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3` g9 4tbxom wm4u 34 pl ! d9 1eq mtct f0 , nrizw \? w \? wt '1t ei 4 6ei 6e pl pl pmf9f q , 3 mq , 1f9f9f pl v9fq , 3 q qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 4 m5 14 a86 a945 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 06 a86 a86 a86r g \) r f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p p tq , m3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b8f \) b8g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) g \) mr g \) r8f \) b8e , 3 p 9v \? 0t \( n 5 pl `9 7'2tct f9d `p n n bhj bhj giz '1t ei4 '1t '1t \? \? w \? w 'i0l pl pl 9f , 8 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! 5u 7u \? 5 ` ! mb l zp pl 9f9fq , 3 , 3 75 3bx ! \( 5u , '6 2 8p u4 , \) ! i2 , giz ghj giz 'i0o , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' g ` \( , bl qk \( r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 5 bz vu l \( 4 ` \( 2j ! dk 3 3 \? 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'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'su \? u5 2 nn r 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax j tojx z2 2 , ! 9 mf \) q pl 34 wmbxlt , 7 9v g p , 3 q , 3 q , b8f \) b8f \) \) b8f \) b8f \) mr g \) r g \) r g \) r186 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 e145 145 145 14 m5 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , m3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3` v g9v gq 7 0tbxn bxn bxn u34u 3l p 1d9 7 q 7 qtm \( 9f9f9d `p , `p , `p , `p , `p , `p , `p , , `p m7ey 7ey 7ey 7ey `p \) r g \) r186 \) r g \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p 9v g9v \? q 7 q 7 0t \( n u34 pl pl ! 34u 3 wmbxn bxn bxn 0tq 7 q 7 9v g p p p p tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 p p p p p 9v g9v g9v g m9v g9v g9v g9p p g9v g9v gq 7 0tbxn wm4u pl ! d9 1eq 7 q 1d9 1d9 1d9 1eq \( f0 , 7kn nrizwt '1z6ei \) 75u 7r \? h \) mt n \? h9 1a ! , ! o` ! , 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 3b \( 7 \( 5u , vc , 4 \? , q \? 5145 148 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 1 1 r 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'au 3 , , ` kh9 w v` 5 1 fi f'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'au \( 6e 4 ! n0 c pm l \( 8 'ax vo 5 \? 8 4 z z \? 8 k \? 514 \? 5 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax p ! ! `8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax u5 2 9 \? qh `5 m0 'l \? r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax gi \) t2 ya ! b2 , ! u \) p 9 \) q 7 9l ! 3 v bxlt , 7 q 5g9v g9p tq , m3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) r g \) r g \) a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) mr f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , 3` 9v g9v g9v g m9v g9v \? q 4t \( n wm4u 3l pl ! d9 7 q 7 q 7 9 1d9 1eq 7 q 7 q mtm 2tm 2tm 2 3t \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , p g9v g9v g p p 9v g9v gq 7 0tq 7 0tbxom wm wm 5 34 pl ! d9 1d9 1d9 pl p4u 34u v bxlt mbxn bs0t 3 q 5g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9 7 q 7 mq 7 q 7 7 q 7 q 7 q6 g9v g9v g9v g9v gq 7 0tbxn mbxom u34u 3l `9 1d9 pl pl `9 7'2 9f9`p nrhj gizw '1t e 7r \? h \) n \? h9 `1 o` ! \) ! ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 3b \( 1 \( 5u , , ! e \? 7u 5 148 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 1 1 l \( col r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'au b 8 ! 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'l `5 h z 9 p 'ax 'ax 'ax gi k mgm t2 1 z4j \( qk ya ! \) 1 \) p 9 2 1d9l ! 3 8n 0t 0tq 7 q 7 q 7 9v g9v g9v g9v 3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) b8f \) b g \) r g \) mr g \) r186 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 e145 145 145 145 145 ! 86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p p g9 7 q 7 q 4t 0tbxom 5 34u 3 m4 pl pl 34u 34u 3l p 1d9 1d9 7 q 2tm 2tm 2 3t 3t 3v \) mb8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p p g9v g9v g9v \? q 7 0t 0t 0tq 7 mq 7 q 7 q30tbxn bxn bxn u34u 34 p 1d9 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 2 mtm \) q 7 9 1fpl ! 34u v bxn 0tq 5g9p p v g9v gq 7 q 7 mq 7 0t 0t \( n bxn bxn bxn bxn bxn bs0t 0t 2 bxn bxn 3 mq 4t 0t \( n bxn b wm u34u m4u pl ! d9 1eq 7 q 2tct f0 7kn mn lj giz \? 1z4 pl 7r \? h \) p r o` ! , wlr \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 3b 45u , 9 ! i1 1 \? u 5 1s \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 0e1 3 l \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'au 4r mh9 w 8 c` kh9 , 8 46 ! 8 , r'ax 'au z `0 ! ` '` fi 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'azf ! , 8 x 0x 'ax vo 5 \( mk , dc w v ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' \) 76 m` kqv \) yx \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax \) 9 \? nk ! 0 'l 55 60 9 j'ax ' max 'ax 'ax x 32 1 z4jn cit 5 o6 l ic \) 1 \) p 9 mf3t 3w2 1d9l mbxlt 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0tq 5g9p , m3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) b8f \) b g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r d6 a86 a86 a86 e145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 p p p m9v g9v \? q 7 0t \( n bxn b wm 5 34u 34u 34u 34 pl pl ! d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 7 q 7'2tm \) , 3` p p 9v g9v g9 7 q30t 0tbxn bxn mbs0t \( n 0t \( n b wm wm wm wm4u 3l `9 1d9 1d9 7 qtm 2tct 3t 3t 3t 3t tm \) q 7 9 1fp4u 8n 0t , 7 q6 g m9v g9 7 q 4t 0t 2 bxn bxom wm wm wm wm wm wm wm4 wm wm wm u34u 34u u34u 34u 34u pl ! d9 1d9 1d9 7 q 7 qtm \( 9f9f0 , 7kn biz \? wt '1z6e pmfq 'ax 7r \? 5p \) p gg u \( ! o` gv , 5' ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 3b \( 5u , k 3 8 ! i1 \? 7u 5 x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a 0e1 l zl yh 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'au a' , 8 c \) 3k \) 46 ! 18 , r'ax 'au n ! ` kg ` 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a f ! r w ! b 4 l 'ax `5 \( \) ! lq 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ' 876 ` kp ! giz gh 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \) 9 \? nk ! \) e 2f'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax x 32 1 z4jn ! wit 5 mo \( kn 7ex f3w2 7 9 p4u 34u 34u 34u 3 wm m4u 34u 34u 3 8n , 7 q 5g9p p p , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) r g \) r g \) r g \) a86 a86 a86 e145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 14 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , m3 q , 3 q , p p g9v g9 7 q 7 q 7 q30t 0t \( n bxn wm4u 34u 3 m4u 34u 34u 3 wm4u 34u 34u 3l pl ! d9 7 bxn bxn b wm4u 34u p 1d9 p4u 3l `9 7 q 1d9 pl ! d9 7 qtm 2tm \) q 7 q 7 q 2 9f9 m`p , `p 7ey n n n n 7ex `p , `p , `p , f9f9f9f9f9d 2 7 q 1d9 pl 34u 3 wmbxn bxn bxn bxn bxn bxn b wm4u 34u 3l pl p ml pl ! 34u 34u pl pl p 1d9 1d9 1d9 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 qtm 2 mtm 2tm 2 3t 3v9f0 n lj \? , 3 qax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 7r \? 5p \) g 2 x0 ! \( \? 51 5' ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 cb \( 5 , qn 9 ! i1 \? 7u 5 x 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a 0e1 ! 3 lk zl 3mh j'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq3` \? hh , 8' 7h 8 c k 1 1 46 ! 18 , r'ax 'au \? 36 ! ` ` 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax mt c , ! , 'ax \? n 5 ' \( z \? p k mx , c \? , e \) 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! ! giz gh ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' u m5 2 9 \? nk ! j 'ax 'ax 'ax x mgf t2 1 z4jn ! wit 5 ab k 91 6 e1t \? \? ghj km `p 9 3w2 7 9 1d9l `9 1d9 `9 1d9 pl 3 wm 8n bxn bs0t 0t , 5g9p , m3 q , b8f \) b8g \) r g \) r d6 a86 a86 a86 e145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) mr g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 p p 9v g9 7 q 7 0t 0t 0t \( n bxn bxom wm wm wm wm v bxn bxn bxom wm wm wm4u 2 mtm 2 \( 3t 3t 3t f9d `p 7ez nuy 7ex `uy n lj gk \? wt 'i 6e mi4 'w \? w 'i 'i 6ei 4 pnei 6e1t '1 \? giz ghj bhj bhjnuy 7 , `p , `yf9f3t 3t tm 2 7 q 1d9 1d9l pl pl pl `9 1d9 1fpl ! d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 7 q 7 q 7'2tm \( 3t , `p , `p , `p , `uy n lj gk \? 1z6e pl 9l0qax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7r \? 5 ! r2 , g ! \( 0 ! \( 0 u 1 5' ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 cb \( 5 h ! e 1 \? 51 5 x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 0e1 ! 3 lk oq 3mh j'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq3` g6 \? o` h mh , 8 ! f k \? 518 8 ! 18 'ax 'au 1b , ! ` f 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 \) , , , \? 4w 'ax \? n c 5 \( \( \? e \( r x , c \) 0w ! hr ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'p ! gh 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ' ! 3 u5 2 9 \? nk ! h \( r'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ! `0 k ! 02 , ! wit 5 ab m9 ne1 \? giz km `yf9 2 7 q 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9l ! 34u wm 8n 3 q 7 9p , 3 q , b8f \) b8g \) r g \) a86 a86 a86 e145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 ! 86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 p v g9v \? mq 7 q30t 0t 0t 0t \( n bxn bxn bxn bxn bxn bxn bxn bxlt 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 1z gizw '1t '1t 'wt 'i 4 9l3 , 3 q , 3 qq , 3 mq , 0q , 3 q , 3 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax q , 3 9f9f pl 5'1t '1 \? w z giz kn 7ex `p , f9f9f3t 3t 3t tm 2tm 2tm 2tm 2 7 q 7 q 7 q 1d9 1eq 7 q 7'2tm 2tm 2 mtm 2tm \( 3t f9f9`p , 7ez bhj biz giz bhj giz giz gk \? wt e v9f mq , 0qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7r \? 5 c \( \) 6 x e \) 2 ! 1 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 3b \( 7 \( 5 \( 2 , , 4 ! q1 1 145 x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a p 2o h ! l 3mh j'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'aq3` g6 \? o` h \) r \? , 8 4 u k , 8 ! 145 'ax 'aq1 1b , pt ! ` ! f j 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 \) 7 , , 't 0 q 1c \) lb \( 8 'ax \? n c 5 `9 z8 \? e \( r x , \( p c \( r ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ' yu w6 ! , ! 75u 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! 3 u5u 2 x ! h 2l 5 0 ` 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! ! 0 sit 5 mo w slk yd 22 , x8 'ax q9 ne1 z bj 7ex `p 9f3t 2tm 2tm 2 mtm 2tm 2 7 9 1fpl 3 wm 8n 3 q 5g tq , 3 q , b8f \) b g \) r186 a86 a945 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 \) r g \) r g \) r8f \) b8f \) b4q , m3 q , 3 q , p g9v gq 7 q 7 q 4t 0t 0t 0t \( n bxn bxn bxn 0t 0t 0t 0tq 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax q , 3 q mq , 3 9f8 z5'1 z bhjn 7ey 7 , `p 9f9f9 3t 3t 3w2tm 2tg q 2tm 2tm 2tm \( 3t f9f9f9f9`p 7kn n n biz \? 1t 'wt '1t ' m1t '1z6e pl v9fq , 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 7r \? 5 3 \( b5 1 `0 ! 1 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 3b \( 4 , \( r , 4 \? ! 1 1 145 x 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax h \( mk yh j'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq3` g6 \? o` w8 ws , 45 145 'ax 'aq1 1b , ! `0 ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax mt 6c 't , ! 1c \) lb \( 8 'ax fx \) vl 7y c \( r , \( r , flax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'j kp ! \( ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax u m5u 2 ! j1d 5 0 c \) 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! m0 \) c0 o7 q9 3 uh 'ax 'as' q , 1f z5'1 z kn 7ey 7ex `p 9f9f9 3t 3t 2 7 9 ! 34u 8n 3 q6 g p , m3 \( f \) b8f \) r g \) r d6 a86 a86 a865 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 a86 a86 a86 a86 \) r g \) mr g \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p 9v gq 7 q 7 q 7 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0tq 7 q 7 q 7 q 5g9v p 3 q , p p ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax qq 9f pl 6e1t \? \? w z bhj mnuy `p 3t 3t 3t `p 7ez nrizw \? m1t e v , 3 q , 3 qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7u \? 5 3 \( r , 2j 6 ! 1 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 0 tzx 6 9 \? 8 'u 1 1 , e \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 1 2o h h \( mh j'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'az \) g6 \? o' h mh9 w8 , 45 k \) w 45 145 'ax 'aum ! `80 ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'azf ! 4 ! n , , 5 \) lb \( 8 'ax k6 v yj 2u c 2 3t 3 lax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax m`0 ' , ! \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax '5u \? u5u 2 ! k , 5 \) g 1 2 ! c \) 2'ax ' max 'ax 'ax k p ! m0 \) c0 ! 5j \? mei \( clk ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax qq , 1f pne1 z km 7 , `yf9f3t 3t tg q 1fpl 3 v bxn bxlt , 5g p , 3 r \) b8g \) r g \) r186 a86 a86 a86 a86 e145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 06 a86 a86 mr g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p 9v gq 7 mq 7 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 3 q 7 q 7 q 7 9v g9v g m9p tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'as q , 3 q , 3 9f8 z6e1t '1 \? wwiz bhj bhj bhjn n bhj giz \? 1t qax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7u `5 34u , 7 6 ut \) zi q 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 0 0p mn ! \? , j 1 146 , e \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 2o q 'ax 'ax ' max 'aq1 ! gc h9 46 kh9 w v` 45 145 'ax 'aum mp ! `80 ! u 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ayz ! 8 4c 244 \? 64 3 l \( 8 'ax kp v \? ndk ge 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ' zi zf \( ! 4a , ! \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u \? u5u 2 fq \( ! k , 6 e \) 2 ! c \) 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax k u ! m0 \) k 68 ' sl l x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \? q 8 i4 \? \? bj 7 , f3t mtm \) q q 1d9 ! 34u 8lt , 7 9v 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b g \) r d6 a86 a86 a945 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 06 a86 \) r g \) r8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 p p p g9v g m9v g9v g9v g9 7 q 7 q 7 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 3 mq 7 q 7 q 7 q6 g9v p , 3 q , 3 q , b8f \) 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'as q , 3 q mq , 0q , 3 q , 3 q , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 7u `5 34 x ! 7u , b \( tz qp 5u \) 779 3 \? , 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 tz ! np ' 8 ! 1 14 pw ! h 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax q q \? n 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq1 , yg kh9 , ms 5 18 , r'ax 'aum p ! `0 ! eu 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ay , 6 , 3x \( 8 'ax 1 vp v \? 2 m2 \) dk 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' xe \( ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u \? u m5u 2 q \( ! 9 e bud \? 2 ! c \) 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax k u x \) k l \( iq ! h ! h h 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' mas' 9 ne1 z bj 7 9 3w2 7 q 7 q 1d9l 3 v bs0tq 5g p , 3 q , m3 \( f \) b8g \) r g \) r186 a86 a86 a865 145 145 145 145 145 145 145 14 m5 145 145 145 145 145 14 a86 \) r g \) r f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , m3 q , 3 q , p p g9v g9v g9v gq 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t , 7 q 7 q6 g9v p , 3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) r g \) r f' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aum 5 7 u \? 5 c4u , 7u , \) 779 n 3 w 5 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 tz p v l 3 45 1 1 m8 , pw ! h 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' p tr \) k6 \? q \? n ! 6k 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq1 mh8 , yg x74 , 5 1s 'ax 'a ! 6 ! eu mp n'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ap pwu , \( 'ax 9 , jp2 \? \( ! v`3 yj 61 2 2l \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '` mt ! w 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax '5u ` u5u 2 q \( ! , m9 \) ! c \) 2'ax ' max 'ax 'ax \) c0 zl ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax q9 f3t tg 9 1d9l 3 wm mbs0tq 5g9p 3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b g \) r d6 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 m5 145 14 a86 a86 a945 145 14 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) r f \) mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , p v g9v g9v \? q 7 q 7 q 7 q 4t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0tq 7 q 7 q 5g9v tq , 3 q , b8f \) mb8f \) r g \) r g \) a86 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! 5 7u \? 5 34r , 7 mu 2y a` \) 6 ! ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 0 tz p v bf , 45 1 1s , ! h 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a 0e1 ' \( \? rq q r'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'aq1 48 ! , yg x74 , 5 1 p 'ax 'a ! mp ! u 3 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ap u \) , \( 'ax \? k z l sq 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax '` \) 6 ! p 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u ` u5u 2 fq \( ! \) c \) 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! k8 k0 mk \) 0x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax q9 ne1 z km `yd 2 7 9 p4u 3 v bs0tq 5g p p , 3 q , 3 r \) b8g \) r g \) r186 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r d6 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 lg \) r g \) r g \) r8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , 3 q , 3 q , 3` v g9v g9v \? q 7 mq 4t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0tq 7 q 7 9v g m9p 3 q , 3 q , b8f \) b8g \) r g \) a86 a945 14di 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! 5 7u \? 5 3 \( u , 7u 2v qh \) l ! c w r ! ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 v f f , l 45 1jpt78 ! 1 \? 51s e \( 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax k5 l4 \( col r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq1 8 ! , yg x74 , m8 5 1e \( r'ax ! u 39 n'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ap wu 0u n \? \( 'ax , bl jz nn ! z l l ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '` , p \) \( ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u m5u 2 fq \( ! 55 h sqk yj h c \) 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! 4e k u u mj t2 ia \) mdk \) \( e o1 ! \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max kl 2 7 9 p4u v 7 9v 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , mb8f \) b8f \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) mr g \) r d6 a86 a86 \) r g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3` v g9v g9v \? q 7 q30t 0t 0t 2 bxn bxn 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t , 7 q 7 q6 g9p tq , 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b8g \) r g \) r186 a865 145 14di ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! 5 7r \? 5 c4r , bu , o5 ! \) lq 6 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 \( p l 45 1j , q1 \? 51 ms 51s \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aum 8 kh9 , 5 1c \( r'ax u ` 39 n'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw ! ip c \( 8 'ax 1 c \( , ! \( p 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! , xv `7 xp \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax '5u 2 ! ! ! \( 5 h 'lk yj h c \) 2'ax ' max 'ax 'ax `5 k u u 6 \) mdk \) \( h 'l \( ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , 6 tm \) q 1d9l ! 34u 34 v 3 q6 g m9v tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) r f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) b8f \) b8f \) b8e , m3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p p 9v g9v \? q 7 q 4t 0t 0t 2 bxn bxn bxn 0t 0t 0t 0t , 7 q 7 q6 g9v tq , 3 r \) b8f \) b g \) r g \) a86 a86 m5 145 145 \) 2di 2u 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ! 5u 7r \? 5 c \( r , b mu , k9 5 \( lq 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 xe 5p ! l 45 1j z \? 1 \? 5 v ! 48 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \( j q \( 'ax 'ax ' max 'aum , e' 7g kh9 , 45 1c \( r'ax u ! 3 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ay , \( 8 'ax v ! p u yl 0 \( qax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax \) ` f a' xp \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u \? zn u5u 20 ! \( sl `5 mh 'lk yj 2t c` 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax `5 k 24 \) md mk \) \( h sqk \( \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'as 7 9 p ml 3 g tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) r g \) mr f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3` v g9v g9 7 q 7 q30t 0t 2 bxn bxn bxn bxn 0t 0t , 7 q 7 q 7 q 5g9v p , 3 q , b8f \) mb g \) r d6 a865 145 22di 2dm75u 75u 75u 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' ! 5u 7r \? 5 c \( r bu , k9 5 17r ! 1k l j lq ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75 1 3a ! 8w l 45 1j z \? 1 \? , ! i0 8 \( 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \( h xm , , ! c 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aum , ! kh9 w 1 f'ax ! g 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'azf ! u , 8 5 , \( 8 'ax v ! 0l 0 'h mx 5h z 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , , ` b4 ! a` u \( ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u \? zn u m5u 2 \( '8 ! \( \? 'l `5 h 'lk yj 2t c \( r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ` k 6 ! mp ml zq zl 9i \( h q \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , 68 f3t tg 9l mbxn 0t 3 q 5g9v tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3` p , m3 p p p p p 3 q , p p p tq , 3 q , 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) b8f \) mb8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) b4q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , p v g9v g mq 7 q 7 q 4t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t , 7 q 7 q 5g m9v tq , 3 q , b8f \) r g \) r186 a865 145 22di 2di 5u 75u 75u 75u 6' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a br \( r \( 4r , 5 17r ls , \) xr \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 1 45 jpv \? , q1 6`w mc \( ste \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' maq \( 4 l9 ! ic \? , 45 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aum 6 `3 yj \) hy y14 skh8 4e \? , q 3 'ax ` \) v ` j u 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 ! , 't 8 5 \( 8 'ax v ! ! , v hx ! \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'p 9 mu \) b4 ! `0 u 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax '5u \? zn u5u 2 \( '8 ! 0r h 'lk yj h \( r'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ` k b yl \( \? q 1 \( h q 0x ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a 0 1 z km `yd tg q 1fp4u mbxn bxn bxn bxn mbxn bs0t 3 q 7 q 7 q 7 q30t 0t 0t 0tbxn bxn bxn bxn bxn mbxn 3 q6 p 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 q , 3 p p p p g9v g9 7 q 7 q 4t 0t 0tbxn bxn bxn bs0t 0t 0t 0tq 7 q 7 q6 g9p 3 q , 3 q , 3 \( f \) b8f \) r g \) r186 a945 145 \) 2di 2 75u 75u 750d 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'a ` \( mr , c ya ! 5 17u \? r ` c \? , \) xr ! ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75p \( 1 7a ! 4 45 jpt78 ! 1 9 c \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq \) kt 4 j l9 ! \? 6'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'aum yj \) hh y14 skh8 4e ! , 3 'ax 39 , 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 ! 't 8 3x 'ax ! 32' ' 0 v ! o5i ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 7u ! 4r l ! 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax '5u u5u 2 \( ! 0 mh 'lk yj hd \? 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ` al \( \? z4j 9 q q \( h \( ah q ! 0x 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 9 2 7 9 1d9 1fpl pl pl p4u wm u34u 3 wm4u 34 wm wm4u 34u 34u p ml pl p pl pl pl 34u 8n 0tq 7 q6 g9v g p p p p p g9v g p 9v gq 7 q 7 q 4t 0t 0t \( n bxn bxn bxn bxn mbxn bxn bxn bs0t , 7 q 7 q 5g9v g9p tq , 3 q , b8f \) b8f \) b8f \) r g \) mr g \) a865 145 \) 2di 2u 75u 75u 5 0d \) 0d 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' \( em \( tq ! 5 17u \? r \? j , \) xr \? ax 'ax 'ax ' max 75p \( 1 xe 5p \) \( p 45 , , 3 \( 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq \) kt 4 n l9 ! ct \? 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aum yj \) h y14 skh8 4 \) 2 ! \? , 3 'ax h4 p ! , 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 ! 't q f z4 j ! 32 \( ' cjc mx ! ! o7 ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 7u ! 4r l ! ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' \) m5u 2 \( 1 ! h \( ! 0 qh `5 0 'lk yj 'ax 'ax 'ax x ` m5 02 \( p z4j k q q h 'lk 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax e `yf9 3w2tm \) q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 1d9 1d9 7 q 7 q 7 q 1d9 pl pl ! d9 1d9 1eq 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 q 7 9 1d9 1fpl p4u 3 wm wm 8n bxn 0t 3 q 7 q 4t 0t \( n bxn wm wm4u 34u 3 m4u 34u 34u 34u 34u 3 wm wm 8n bxlt , 7 9v g9v g9v g p 3 q , m3 r \) b8f \) b8g \) r g \) a86 a86 a865 14di 2u 75u 75u 5 0d g9v max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'as x ! 04 em p yn l ` \( tq o5 17u \? u \? j 1 3 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax bh \( 2j`e \( p l 4 \? , , \) p , , g , \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' maq \) \? 4 n l9 ! ! u145 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq04 yj \) h y14 skh8 4e \) 2 \? w 3 'ax h4 ! , ! mp , 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw6 ! w , ! ip c ! kn 7 v ! ! 32 \( m' cjc uk ! x 9 ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax \? mu 175 4r l ! 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax ' ! u5u 2 \( fq \( `5 yj j j'ax ' max 'ax 'ax k \? 175 02 \( \( z4jn q q e o1 ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , 68 i4 \? \? wwiz bj 7 , f9f9f9d f9f9f9f9f9d 3t 3t 3t 3t 3t 3t 3t 3w2tm 2tm \( 3t 3t f9f9`p , 3t 3t 3w2tg q 1d9 1d9l pl ! 34u wm wm wm4u 34u 3 ml pl ! d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9l pl pl pl pl 34u 3 wm v bs0t , 7 q 5g9v gq 7 9v g p , 3 q , b8f \) b g \) r d6 a86 a865 145 \) 2u 75 mu 5 0d \) g9v g9v 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax l `p p ` q5 17u \? u \? j 51 'ax 'ax 'ax 4 ` \( 2j ! 0 l \? \? p8 x9 , g , \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aq \( 4x q 1 ic w8 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'aq04 z \) h2 14 skh8 4e \) 2 \? w 3 'ax , ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax z jf ! ws lw ! 4 f \? q 4 ! 6 32' ' cjc uk ! x 9 ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax \? r 17h ` f ! 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax u5u 2x kh yj j 9 v'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! `5 k 02 \( \( z4jn q o1 ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'q 9f pnei4 \? \? bhj bhj kn nuy 7ex `p , `p , `p , `p , `p , , `p , `p , `p , `p , m`p 7ey n n n n nuy 7kn n n n 7ex `yf9f3t 2tm 2tm 2 7 q 7 9 1d9 1d9 1d9 1eq 7 q 7 q 2tm 2tm 2tm \) q 7 q 7 q 7 q 1d9 1d9 1d9 1d9 p4u wmbxn bxn 0t 0t 3 9v 3 r \) b8f \) r g \) a86 a86 e145 \) 2dm75u 75u 750d \) 0d \) 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , x 2 ` 17u \? u ` u' , r \? ax 'ax 'ax ' max 4 ` \( 2j \( p l 45 1jz ! c 2 , ui , \( 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'avs \( tz \? q ! 3zl 1 mc r'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'au 4 zd \) h2 146 kh9 w \? w f'ax ! ` r 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax n \? e 8i 4 hg \) r 0 u ' cjc uk ! mx 9 q \( 'ax 'ax 'ax \) ! 9 8 ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax u 2x 9 \? ni \? \? yj j 9 v'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ! \( 2 \) u7 m5 020 \( q \? 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max qq 8 6ei 6ei 5'1 \? ghj bj nuy 7ey 7ey 7ey 7ey 7 , `p , m7ey 7ey 7ey 7ey 7ey n n n n n n n lj bhj bhj bj n n n n 7ey m7 , `p , `p , `p , `p m`p , `p 3t 3w2tg q 1d9 1fpl p4u 34u 3 wmbxn mbs0tq 5g9p 3 q , 3 r \) b8f \) r g \) r186 e145 \) 2u 75u 75u 75u 5 0d ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw5u x \) 74x 2 ` 17u \? u ` mg r4 \) y2 \? ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 4 ` \( 2j 5pc \( p l 45 1jz \? 3 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 'l ! ic , e` 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'au 4 3 zd \) 3bt m1 0i 0' h2 45 kg ! , r \? wc 2'ax 'a ! dlv ! mhs 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max \? 5 e n \? e e14di \( v1 x m' 9 'ax 'ax ' \( ! 7u b , x v 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 2x 9 9h mj 2v k 2'ax ' max 'ax 'ax \) 175 020 \( q \? 9 ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' , 3' q 9f9f9f pl 6e1 \? bj n 7ex , `p , `p , `p 7ey n n n n n n n n nrhj bhj bhj bhj bhj bhj bhj bhj bj n n n n n n nuy 7ey 7ey 7ey 7ey 7kn n n m7ey 7ey 7ey 7kn n n n n n n n n n n n n nuy 7ex `p \) q 1d9 pl 34u v bxlt , 7 q 7 9v g9p , 3 \( f \) b8g \) r g \) r186 m5 \) 2u 75u 75u 75u 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'aw5u '5u \) 74x q5 17u \? u \? 'ax 'ax 'ax 4 ` \( 2j \( p l 45 1jz k uk , 8 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'avs \( , ! , ! 'ax 'ax ' max 'au 4 3 xi 2o h9 , 8 514 r \? w ! \( ! 7r xv ! ! 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 7 tr \) b g \) pu , ! rd 5 mx \) , jp2 , 9 o5i te \? 2' max 'ax 'ax ' \( ! 7u ! 1 ! o' `7 vp \( 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax u5u 2 k 6ni \? mm q nd 2v k 2'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 75 \( q 9 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax q , 1f z5'wwiz kn 7ey 7ex `p , f9f9f9f9`p , `p , `p 7kn n n n n nrhj bhj bhj bhj giz bhj bhj bhj giz giz giz bhj bhj bhj bhj bhj kn bhj bhj bhj bhjn n nrhj bhj bhj biz giz giz bhj bhjn n mn n n n 7ey `yf9 3t 2 7 9 1d9 p4u 8n 3 q 7 q 5g9p , m3 q , 3 \( f \) b8g \) r g \) a86 e145 \) 2di 5u 75u 6'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' max 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax 'ax ' 75u \) 74x 4e \) 3c` \( tq q5 17u \? r , x \? 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nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu subject genocide caused atheism organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 27 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr5 ultb isc rit edu snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \( n mozumder \) writes horrible deaths resulted atheism anything else definitely quite horrible deaths result atheists theists i'm sure bobby list quite atheist side fails recognize theists equally genocide perhaps , since i'm bit weak history , somone would like give list wars caused led theists \? think \( hitler claimed christian example \) complete list would probably effective showing bobby absurd statement peace , side note , notice always sign posts peace perhaps take advice leave atheists peace beliefs \? bobby mozumder nanci know \( sure \) author quote , please send email \( nm0w andrew cmu edu \) lying deeply ingrained lying others
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bks2 cbnewsi cb att com \( bryan k strouse \) subject nhl results games played 4 15 93 organization keywords thursday night 's boxscores lines 227 nhl results games played 4 15 93 standings patrick adams norris smythe tm w l pt tm w l pt tm w l pt tm w l pt 56 21 7 119 51 26 7 109 47 25 12 106 46 29 9 101 42 34 7 91 47 27 10 104 47 28 9 103 43 30 11 97 40 36 7 87 48 30 6 102 44 29 11 99 39 35 10 88 39 37 7 85 38 36 10 86 37 36 11 85 40 37 7 87 phl 35 37 11 81 har 26 51 6 58 min 36 38 10 82 edm 26 50 8 60 nyr 34 38 11 79 ott 10 70 4 24 tb 23 54 7 53 sj 11 71 2 24 x clinched division title clinched playoff berth minnesota north stars \( 36 38 10 \) 1 1 1 3 detroit red wings \( 47 28 9 \) 0 2 3 5 1st period min , mcphee 18 \( ludwig \) 1 23 2nd period min , dahlen 34 \( courtnall , gagner \) \( pp \) 0 31 det , drake 18 \( howe , ogrodnick \) 9 14 det , ysebaert 34 \( lidstrom , howe \) \( pp \) 17 37 3rd period det , ciccarelli 41 \( coffey , chiasson \) \( pp \) 0 32 det , kennedy 19 \( burr , probert \) 3 42 det , yzerman 58 \( ciccarelli , gallant \) 6 17 min , dahlen 35 \( courtnall , gagner \) 19 11 powerplay opportunities north stars 1 2 red wings 2 4 shots goal north stars 10 9 11 30 red wings 6 15 8 29 minnesota north stars casey \( 26 26 5 \) \( 29 shots 24 saves \) detroit red wings cheveldae \( 34 24 7 \) \( 30 shots 27 saves \) att 19 , 749 philadelphia flyers \( 35 37 11 \) 1 2 4 7 buffalo sabres \( 38 36 10 \) 0 3 1 4 1st period phl , recchi 52 \( galley , lindros \) 0 18 2nd period phl , hawgood 11 \( dineen , eklund \) \( pp \) 2 15 phl , dineen 33 \( mcgill \) \( sh \) 5 40 buf , barnaby 1 \( hawerchuk , smehlik \) \( pp \) 7 48 buf , wood 18 \( lafontaine , ledyard \) \( pp \) 17 34 buf , mogilny 75 \( hawerchuk , carney \) \( pp \) 18 56 3rd period phl , eklund 11 \( dineen , beranek \) 4 42 buf , mogilny 76 \( errey , lafontaine \) 5 24 phl , dineen 34 \( brind'amour \) \( pp \) 6 44 phl , dineen 35 \( brind'amour , galley \) \( sh \) 8 39 phl , acton 8 \( dineen , brind'amour \) 19 48 powerplay opportunities flyers 2 5 sabres 3 10 shots goal flyers 6 7 13 26 sabres 8 19 18 45 philadelphia flyers soderstrom \( 20 17 6 \) \( 45 shots 41 saves \) buffalo sabres fuhr \( 10 shots 7 saves \) hasek \( 11 10 4 \) \( 5 40 second \) \( 16 shots 12 saves \) att 15 , edmonton oilers \( 26 50 8 \) 0 0 0 0 winnipeg jets \( 40 37 7 \) 1 2 0 3 1st period win , shannon 20 \( steen , davydov \) \( pp \) 2 08 2nd period win , selanne 76 \( olausson \) 5 25 win , zhamnov 25 \( selanne \) 19 42 3rd period none powerplay opportunities oilers 0 3 jets 1 6 shots goal oilers 7 8 16 31 jets 10 16 16 42 edmonton oilers ranford \( 17 38 6 \) \( 42 shots 39 saves \) winnipeg jets essensa \( 33 26 6 \) \( 31 shots 31 saves \) att 12 , 229 toronto maple leafs \( 44 29 11 \) 1 1 0 2 chicago blackhawks \( 47 25 12 \) 0 2 1 3 1st period tor , baumgartner 1 18 40 2nd period chi , roenick 50 \( murphy , chelios \) 1 29 tor , andreychuk 55 \( mironov , lefebvre \) 13 22 chi , murphy 7 \( roenick , chelios \) \( pp \) 19 05 3rd period chi , matteau 15 10 51 powerplay opportunities maple leafs 1 3 blackhawks 1 7 shots goal maple leafs 14 4 8 26 blackhawks 10 13 13 36 toronto maple leafs potvin \( 25 15 7 \) \( 36 shots 33 saves \) chicago blackhawks belfour \( 41 18 11 \) \( 26 shots 24 saves \) att 17 , 856 tampa bay lightning \( 23 54 7 \) 0 2 3 5 st louis blues \( 37 36 11 \) 3 3 0 6 1st period stl , shanahan 50 \( brown , felsner \) 10 44 stl , miller 23 \( bassen , brown \) 19 38 stl , bassen 8 \( zombo \) 19 48 2nd period stl , bassen 9 \( hedican , miller \) 0 14 stl , miller 24 \( zombo , hedican \) 11 09 tbl , maltais 7 \( hamrlik \) 11 27 tbl , bergland 3 \( harvey , gilhen \) 17 16 tbl , shanahan 51 \( emerson \) 19 38 3rd period tbl , creighton 19 \( bergland , \) 0 40 tbl , chambers 10 \( zamuner , cole \) 10 37 tbl , cole 12 \( beers , bradley \) 11 58 powerplay opportunities lightning 0 3 blues 0 4 shots goal lightning 5 12 14 31 blues 11 11 4 26 tampa bay lightning jablonski \( 8 24 4 \) \( 22 shots 16 saves \) bergeron \( 0 00 third \) \( 4 shots 4 saves \) st louis blues joseph \( 29 28 9 \) \( 18 shots 15 saves \) hebert \( 19 20 third \) \( 13 shots 11 saves \) att 17 , 816 san jose sharks \( 11 71 2 \) 0 1 2 3 calgary flames \( 43 30 11 \) 0 4 3 7 1st period none 2nd period sjs , garpenlov 22 \( odgers , gaudreau \) \( pp \) 3 37 cal , nieuwendyk 38 \( macinnis , suter \) \( pp \) 5 26 cal , ranheim 21 \( otto , suter \) 10 43 cal , yawney 1 \( nieuwendyk , roberts \) 11 26 cal , berube 4 \( paslawski , skrudland \) 13 45 3rd period sjs , wood 1 \( odgers , kisio \) 8 00 cal , reichel 40 9 26 cal , roberts 38 \( musil , paslawski \) \( pp \) 12 27 sjs , kisio 26 13 10 cal , paslawski 18 \( ashton , stern \) 16 16 powerplay opportunities sharks 1 3 flames 2 4 shots goal sharks 5 11 9 25 flames 11 14 7 32 san jose sharks irbe \( 7 25 0 \) \( 32 shots 25 saves \) calgary flames vernon \( 29 26 9 \) \( 25 shots 22 saves \) att 19 , 532 vancouver canucks \( 46 29 9 \) 1 2 5 8 los angeles kings \( 39 35 10 \) 2 3 1 6 1st period lak , robitaille 63 \( gretzky , sandstrom \) 1 39 van , babych 3 \( craven , nedved \) \( pp \) 9 43 lak , sandstrom 25 \( gretzky , robitaille \) 10 06 2nd period van , linden 32 \( ronning , courtnall \) \( pp \) 0 54 van , ward 22 \( hunter , nedved \) 1 24 lak , gretzky 16 \( sandstrom , robitaille \) 6 57 lak , zhitnik 12 \( kurri , robitaille \) \( pp \) 14 02 lak , millen 23 \( hardy \) \( pp \) 16 57 3rd period van , ronning 27 \( dirk \) 5 28 van , ronning 28 \( courtnall , linden \) \( pp \) 11 15 van , linden 33 \( courtnall , ronning \) 11 27 lak , donnelly 29 \( millen , granato \) \( pp \) 14 35 van , courtnall 31 \( ronning , ratushny \) 14 54 van , ronning 29 \( linden , diduck \) \( en \) 18 47 powerplay opportunities canucks 3 6 kings 3 10 shots goal canucks 8 6 16 30 kings 10 21 10 41 canucks whitmore \( 18 8 4 \) \( 41 shots 35 saves \) los angeles kings stauber \( 23 shots 17 saves \) hrudey \( 17 21 6 \) \( 11 27 third \) \( 6 shots 5 saves \) att 16 , 005 spike
eachus spectre mitre org \( robert eachus \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) reply scs lokkur dexter mi us 's message wed , 21 apr 93 00 12 30 gmt nntp posting host spectre mitre org organization mitre corp , bedford , 1993apr19 jarvis csri toronto edu 1993apr20 magnus acs ohio state edu 1993apr20 192105 11751 ulysses att com lines 32 smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes thousands \? tens thousands \? arithmetic , please skipjack 2 80 possible keys let 's assume brute force engine like hypothesized des 1 microsecond per trial , 1 million chips 's 10 12 trials per second , 38 , 000 years 2 80 trials well , maybe get chips running one trial per nanosecond , build machine 10 million chips sure 3 8 years solution much pernicious problem scheme proposed building brute force machine test 2 40 possible keys half one escrow agent easy \( one chip , one test per microsecond gives one break every two weeks , break gives messages involving phone \) xor scheme files one escrow agent gives nothing improvement , notice \( truely random \) bit strings allows arbitrary number escrow agents using xor , sk escrowed key , b two random bit strings , hand sk b , sk , sk b three escrow agents possible come encoding scheme match escrow pattern , example 3 4 , fewer cooperating escrow agents gives cracking agency benefit robert eachus standard disclaimer use standard disclaimer function message \( text clever ideas \) return better ideas
jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) subject ok , little hasty organization ontario hydro research division lines 17 article speedy 155 engr latech edu speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes article jnmoyne 190493111630 moustic lbl gov jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes ok , hold second clarify something dwi stand \? thought dui driving influence , w stand \? driving intoxicated changed louisiana girl went court case claiming stoned pot , intoxicated liquor ! 's driving impaired covers everything 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada
cunixa cc columbia edu \( \) subject quick question article news 1993apr6 organization columbia university lines 62 nntp posting host cunixa cc columbia edu newsgroups rec autos , rec autos vw subject quick question summary expires sender reply cunixa cc columbia edu \( \) followup distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels article 1993apr5 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes take driver side door panel inside '87 honda prelude \? speaker went scratchy , want access pins see one press button rest snug fit ssave ole cdac com quick question posting vw newsgroup \? newsgroups rec autos , rec autos vw subject quick question summary distribution world organization columbia university keywords newsgroups rec autos , rec autos vw newsgroups rec autos , rec autos vw subject quick question summary expires references 1993apr5 ole cdac com sender reply cunixa cc columbia edu \( \) followup distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels article 1993apr5 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes take driver side door panel inside '87 honda prelude \? speaker went scratchy , want access pins see one press button rest snug fit ssave ole cdac com quick question posting vw newsgroup \? , jr columbia edu weaklings , cower fear , ruler , land , sea air immense , erect stand tall , i'm nuclear murderer polaris ! , rust peace
cleveland freenet edu \( roland behunin \) subject anybody schedule games sunday 25 apr 93 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 31 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hello hockey fans tout le monde ! well , salt lake city past sunday , local abc station decided televise hockey games la de programme est la de ! anyway , satellite dish , friends hockey invited watch games coming sunday \( 25 apr \) , find correct game times calgary la game times showing everything 11 00 mdt , 5 00 pm mdt even sure games going played coming sunday , abc schedule think able pull three games \( 11 00 , 2 00 pm , 5 30 pm mdt \) dish , sure anybody schedule , pleas see , get rec sport hockey , sometimes difficult get link thanks advance p ou roland behunin behunin af mil behunin hill af mil roland
gmuvax2 gmu edu \( steve \) subject moscow aviation institute summer school organization george mason university , fairfax , virginia , usa lines 103 attached copy announcement picked trip moscow last week several friends moscow aviation institute asked post announcement \( done editing , contents unchanged original announcement \) familiar moscow aviation institute , leading russian school higher education dedicated training aircraft spacecraft designers specializes design , design , control systems , power systems virtually major former soviet designers \( , su , , , etc \) schooled mai opportunity tour two museums maintained mai aircraft include , su 27 , yak 38 , f 111 \( ! \) , among others fascinating eye opening experience , expecially given fact museum , year ago , closed virtually everyone also opportunity see experiments conducted plasma drive engines future space craft use questions institute , program , would glad try answer institute , 's faculty e mail addresses however , takes day receiver get message still bit rapidly changing ! steve gmuvax2 gmu edu ps please send questions via e mail george mason university 2 week \( ! \) delay news feed delivery moscow international aviation school aviation school \( meaning flight \) organized moscow aviation institute , prominent russian center airspace education foreign trade firm , well known various parts world quartz mechanical wrist watches course studies last 50 days , time unique opportunity listen intensive courses main aviation disciplines , history theory techniques , design airplanes visit get acquainted world known russian aviation firms tu , mig , yak , il su meet discussions famous aviation scientists , engineers pilots visit interesting museums unique aviation techniques closed many years public see international airspace show take place moscow 31 august 3 september 1993 visit famous art museums , historical architectural monuments , concert halls take part sport great time new friends director school mr oleg , well known russian scientist , professor , general designer chief airplanes design department moscow aviation institute mr one designers su 24 , su 25 , su 27 lectures given english , using multi media concept students provided necessary text books literature full course studies completed , student receive special certificate graduation cost studies , including hotel , meals , , , etc 3500 apply admission , send application moscow 34 foreign trade firm 274 00 13 \( phone \) 274 00 22 \( fax \) su \( telex \) application , include full name , address , date place birth addition , include complete passport information , well description education upon receipt information , immediately forward official invitation obtaining russian entrance visa well details payment require additional information , please hesitate contact us \( signed \) steve gmuvax2 gmu edu csi physics , george mason university
wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution world organization w r slack lines 20 various posts shafties ca n't wheelies mike imposible due shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground good point john buddy mine told thing bmw r80gs dumped clutch 5 , \( hey , ito nly revved 7 \) know \? right ! uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! bill wrs gozer mv com \( bill slack \) dod 430 tears shed vain every word lost rumble engine smoke exhaust ! oo
ptrei bistromath mitre org \( peter trei \) subject fifth amendment passwords nntp posting host bistromath mitre org organization mitre corporation lines 67 article cs uiuc edu kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) writes magnus acs ohio state edu \( andrew hall \) writes postive someone correct wrong , n't fifth also cover forced actions self incriminating \? mike godwin mnemonic eff org , posted permission carl , could produce key safe , happens , evidence convict stored crypto key disclosure issue n't come yet , current law suggests 's loser defendant 'll compelled turn key test compelled self incrimination whether material disclosed tends example gave , safe key testimonial value ergo , disclosed compulsion \( e g , subpoena \) moreover , government always disclosure crypto key compelling disclose key price using fact disclosure evidence case course , use whatever discover result disclosure mike lets carry one step suppose text key conclusive evidence crime encrypted material evidence find scenario like made scans peanuts strips encrypt key phrase comic police haul seize system find encrypted file cp whats file \? take fifth cp 's keyphrase file \? take fifth judge reveal keyphrase disagree , i'm judge honor , revealing keyphrase , 's right , would tend incriminate breaking laws , independent may may encrypted file judge grant immunity whatever may learned key keyphrase confess deliberately evading copyright file encoded keyphrase contains illegal scans copyrighted peanuts strips judge cp oh get \? i'm saying wo n't , ca n't \( even n't \) , legal mechanism use \? crossposting misc legal \? peter trei ptrei mitre org
rrmadiso undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( chuck \) subject playoff predictions organization university waterloo lines 32 predictions \( try laugh hysterically \) somebody save laugh win pool n't prizes , love bragging rights , winner takes also somebody sort scoring system let know thinking 1 1st round victories , 2 second , 3 3rd , 4 4th may get alot ties ideas \? 1 buffalo 2 montreal 3 pittsburgh 4 washington 5 chicago 6 toronto 7 winnipeg 8 los angeles 9 montreal 10 pittsburgh 11 chicago 12 winnipeg 13 montreal 14 chicago 15 montreal richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo ca
welty cabot balltown cma com \( richard welty \) subject rec autos automotive mailing lists keywords monthly posting reply welty balltown cma com organization new york state institute sebastian cabot studies expires thu , 20 may 1993 04 01 03 gmt lines 166 archive name rec autos part2 automotive mailing lists \( electronic mail , \) last updated 3 17 93 new lotus , exotic cars list subscription info added portland , list , list , triumph list rpw number electronic mailing lists network devoted various special automotive topics best knowledge , lists appearing open membership policies policy list mailing lists mailing lists provide separate addresses administrative queries general mail separate administrative addresses exist , listed , general addresses appropriate requests audi \( send requests quattro request aries east sun com \) solo \( send requests request cs utah edu \) bmw \( send requests bmw request balltown cma com regular digest forms available \) british cars \( send requests british cars request cs utah edu \) buick grand national regal \( send requests request monsanto com \) camaro firebird \( gm f body \) \( send requests f body request boogie ebay sun com \) \( send requests bryan pegasus mitre org \) corvettes two lists first competition oriented list , second general nature \( told \) competition \( send requests vettes request com \) general \( send requests vettes request compaq com \) datsun \( send requests datsun request cs utah edu \) dodge stealth mitsubishi \( send requests stealth req jim uucp wupost wustl edu \) eclipse talon laser \( send requests ! talon request radius com \) electric vehicles \( send requests info ev request claremont edu \) exotic cars \( send requests exotic cars request sol asl hitachi com \) fabrication \( race cars \) \( send requests request pms ford com \) international \( discussion scouts , pickups , etc \) \( send requests request balltown cma com \) italian cars \( send requests italian cars request balltown cma com regular digest forms available \) hondas listserv brownvm brown edu use standard listserv subscription procedure mail message body listserv sub honda l real name subject line header hot rods \( send requests request dixie com \) land \( send requests land rover owner request stratus com \) lotus \( send requests lotus cars request netcom com \) \( send requests mazda list request ms uky edu \) miata listserv jhunix hcf jhu edu use standard listserv subscription procedure mail message body listserv sub miata real name subject line header \( send requests merkur request uucp \) mopar \( mostly high performance chrysler , dodge , plymouth products send requests mopar casbah acns nwu edu \) mr2 \( send requests mr2 interest request com \) mustangs two lists , first mustangs 1973 , second mustangs 1980 nobody cares mustang ii , n't ask classic \( send requests classic mustangs request fc hp com \) modern \( send requests mustangs request cup hp com \) 4x4 \( send requests request ai gtri gatech edu \) porsches \( send requests request com \) portland , oregon activities \( send requests request reed edu \) rally \( send requests rally request stratus com \) rx7 \( send requests jjn att com \) saabs \( send requests saab network mhs compuserve com \) saturn \( send requests saturn request net \) school \( high performance driving schools \) \( send requests school request balltown cma com \) sentra se r , g20 , \( send requests se r request pencom com \) \( send requests request com \) toyota \( send requests toyota request quack sac ca us \) triumph v8 , \( send requests jtc ccwf cc utexas edu \) volvos \( requests request rochester edu \) wheel wheel racing \( forum race drivers , workers , crew , send requests request abingdon sun com \) z cars \( nissan datsun \) \( send requests z car request dixie com \) richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com ``nothing good ever reported full rotation race car either pitch roll axis'' carroll smith
em rose hp com \( electronic maintenance \) subject incredible new b b organization hewlett packard roseville site lines 39 nntp posting host rose hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 3 pl7 wow ! ! ! ! discover great bbs ! ! 's called sovereignty lies people bbs 916 589 4620 14 4 k baud free confidential ! fictitious names ok ! subjects files contained bbs find government us ! ! ! ! state citizenship documents issues california republic citizen u federal citizen \? remember state citizens 14th amendment ! ! one subject federal income tax , one n't volunteer surrender state citizenship got social security number \? one \? tax laws issues beat irs traffic laws issues beat traffic tickets answer one law allows police officer arrest without warrant issues ticket \? religious truth issues religions \? \? \? \? christian religions great creator god \? \? \? \? trust documents issues sysop told instructions beat traffic tickets bbs shortly beat traffic tickets without going court ! ! ! bbs great , spread word ! ! ! ! also come n't hear people talking federal reserve bank \? ask questions 1 \) would anyone borrow money interest \? federal government federal reserve bank private american people ripped 100 income tax goes pay federal debt federal reserve one dime goes services services like military welfare come excise taxes like 2 \) american people stand \? \? \? \? \? check new bbs
goltz mimi uu net \( james p goltz \) subject orion drive vacuum \? organization uunet technologies inc , falls church , va , usa lines 31 nntp posting host mimi uu net background orion theoretical concept would drive using explosions drive spacecraft idea 'd detonate devices somewhere one ten yield behind pusher plate attached main spacecraft shock wave explosions would transfer momentum ship , atmosphere see energy explosion heats atmosphere , expands shock wave pusher plate vacuum , two things see going hit plate fission fusion products \( , krypton , helium , neutrons , evaporated bomb casing \) electromagnetic radiation \( gammas mostly , light heat fission products \) would work \? ca n't see em radiation much momentum \( especially given mass pusher plate \) , seems 're going get momentum transfer throwing bombs back ship get 're must missing something would someone enlighten via email \? thanks jim jim goltz engineer goltz uunet uu net
ul ie subject help wanted organization university limerick , ireland lines 8 need information circuit design especially filter design 1 range recommend good books , journals , circuit design software help appreciated gerry , ece department , limerick , ireland
gmc cthulhu semi harris com subject zero db \? \? \? \? nntp posting host cthulhu mlb semi harris com organization analog lines 57 article 1993apr6 bnr ca moffatt bnr ca \( john thomson \) writes joseph chiu \( josephc cco caltech edu \) wrote thus , decibell \( , l , tenth bell \) part original bell example , southwestern bell decibell hat pull one \? db ratio ! measure current , amp , actually named amp company amphenol company companies revolutionized electronics simulatenously realizing performance connectors sockets affected amount current running wires sorry unit current ampere name french man named ampere studied electrical current term amp abbreviation company amp came ampere unit already use ohmite company first characterize resistances numbers , thus use ohms n't know one , n't sound right alexander graham bell , actually , bell came well got one thing right ! actually , think j chiu knows score silly however , decibel fact 1 10th bel right one , n't know accidental strictly defined , bel ratio log two power levels , decibel 1 10th bel 10x every bel , hence bel log \( p2 p1 \) decibel \( p2 p1 \) bel , ohm , volt , farad , ampere , watt , hertz , henry , etc named pioneers field 's traditional fine way honor researchers discover new knowledge new field hertz one important early electronics explorers , left term unit named recently , \( 1960 's , prior hertz cps \) units defined many decades earlier
ad dcs st ac uk \( tony \) subject nutek faces wrath \( article ! ! ! ! ! ! \) read nntp posting host dcs st ac uk organization st andrews university lines 24 article 1993mar31 leland stanford edu , tedebear leland stanford edu \( theodore chen \) writes n't copyright equivalent res doctrine , 's something kind similar show infringement , one element need show defendant copied work 're lucky , 'll direct evidence copying smoking gun normally , evidence , showing evidence access one might reasonably infer copying evidence access considered along similarities two works deciding whether copied however , similarities strong striking , inference copying may drawn even without evidence defendant access copyrighted work case , burden defendant rebut inference copying example , evidence 'd desert island last ten years contact civilization wow ! know lawyers rich computer scientists poor ! lawyers \( sound \) understand stuff
bh anarres cs berkeley edu \( brian harvey \) subject warning \( please read \) organization university california , berkeley lines 15 nntp posting host anarres cs berkeley edu keywords brick , rock , danger , gun , violent , teenagers rfelix netcom com \( robbie felix \) writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies help children , seniors , homeless \? hear , hear ! thanks , robbie also n't read much violence teenagers , george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi 17 year olds , trying surrender , bulldozers hand , think true , without singling teenagers blame , violence socially acceptable used us 'd like discourage violence plenty work people ages
wally auspex com \( wally bass \) subject ide vs scsi organization auspex systems , santa clara lines 20 nntp posting host e5 auspex com article 1993apr19 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes stuff deleted lowly low density original pc fdd card used dma pc hdd controller n't ! \? ! \? makes real sense actually , make reasonable amount sense fixed disk sectors buffered controller , transferring memory \( whatever instruction called \) quite efficient \( single instruction , goes fast controller cpu know use bus \) since 286 n't cached , bus likely critical resource relative cpu performance , 's possible dma bus interference would cause much loss cpu cycles \( \) sequence floppy , hand , buffered , using cpu floppy data transfer \( done pc jr , way \) really stink wally bass
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject centris 650 math coprocessor option reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak distribution usa moderator rec arts comics info lines 40 david anthony guevara cup portal com writes sorry faq n't normally read comp sys mac hardware purchasing couple centris 650 's configured systems follows eight \( 8 \) mb ram ethernet 1 mb vram math coprocessor option purchasing agent told math coprocessor option sent apple summary documentation prove ordered coprocessor option , i'm really sure needed thought '040 chip math coprocessor built apple math coprocessor chip keep speed '040 chip centris 650 \? concerned may set hardware bottleneck apple really confused people whole thing think 'll answering question next year option get fpu c650 choice cpus 68lc040 integrated fpu like full '040 present base 4 80 model c650 \( \) full '040 get order anything base 4 80 configuration therefore , since ordered one 8mb versions board ethernet models getting lc040 even wanted lc040 would n't able order c650 8mb ram , board ethernet lc040 's option also , note people 4 80 thinking optional fpu , '040 class chip cannot recognize external fpu , socket motherboard fpu chip cannot go purchase fpu pds card something like way get fpu machines replace lc040 full '040 c610 , need worry heat sink replace lc040 full '040 , 4 80 c650 need heat sink hades
leo bsuvc bsu edu subject jim lefebvre idiot organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 14 wanted let everyone know lost little respect jim lefebvre seeing today 's cubs game first could start maldonado may way may played end last year way tore cactus league could let sit bench \? mention right hander \( maddux \) started really blew top lefebvre pinch hit rick wilkins tommy shields ! lefty righty thing , much made wilkins twice hitter shields next batter jose vizcaino , one weakest hitters ever seen , looked terrible bat day , let hit , may still sat bench think even arnie harris showed may sitting dugout vizcaino batting face lefebvre got worst manager baseball cub fan
thomas ramsey cs laurentian ca \( f thomas \) subject print graph printer organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 6 seems simple problem cannot solve wrote c program draw polygons screen , want print printer , press print screen keyboard problem printer print ascii characters way print screen without using print screen \? \? \? \? please help !
bdown vis toronto edu \( brian \) subject bridgman organization department computer science , university toronto lines 31 gandalf ca \( stephane \) writes senators fired mel bridgman 1 00 pm today randy sexton gonna replace move organization front office stated nobody would lose job poor performance , gone within 24 hours teams final game yes know screwed letting king 's grab sexton 's qualifications \( aside cheap \) \? \? played us college hockey , 's pals club president bruce kind experience need trying build expansion franchise 'll probably hall fame next year ! \) continues tradition front office paul arena deal denis potvin gm postion mike bossy scoring coach people ottawa feel club run \? \? stephane brian \( bdown vis toronto edu \)
muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university arizona , tucson lines 75 someone cite biblical references homosexuality immoral , leviticus \? far , ask , around , get verses leviticus spouted , whole rest book tends ignored christians \( n't seen long time \) later , max \( bob \) muir list posted long ago , recall , aside lev , commonly cited passages story sodom note however homosexual rape , 's disagreement wrong take intermediate position note sodom referred elsewhere bible sinfulness n't seem known specifically homosexuality rather , think considered sins however know jewish attitudes , homosexuality would contributed horror action described \( almost seems contrived combine many forms evil one act possible homosexual rape guests , actually angels \) story specifically homosexuality nt , clear references paul 's letters rom 1 , passage presupposes homosexuality evil note passage n't homosexuality 's idolatry homosexuality visited people punishment , least result , idolatry number arguments passage use word homosexuality , referring people nature heterosexual practicing homosexuality 's 'd call explicit teaching homosexuality seem support would natural assumption anyway , paul shares general negative jewish attitude towards homosexuality passages occur lists sins , cor 6 9 , tim 1 10 unfortunately 's entirely clear words used mean suggestions one broader meaning , , another may specifically male prostitute , n't precise teaching homosexuality , least weak supportive evidence paul shared ot 's negative judgement homosexuality jude 1 7 sometimes cited , however 's probably relevant context jude involves angels since almost raped sodom angels , seems likely strange flesh refers intercourse angels see , nt evidence people 's conclusion determined approach bible conservatives note passages paul 's letters imply accepted ot prohibition enough regard nt endorsement liberals note 's specific teaching , clear definition prohibited \( concern rom 1 connection homosexuality pagan worship \? exactly words lists sins mean \? \) thus believe legitimate regard attitude paul took background specific teaching gospel explosive topic , tends result long exact meaning various greek words 's clear 's mostly irrelevant really comes whether people looking bible law whether believe approach inconsistent gospel appears depend upon one 's reaction message bible whole , well one 's perception needs church today difference approach least serious difference protestant catholic 16th cent , one sides believe bible obviously side keep thinking quote passages side finally come senses makes things frustrating moderator , realizes optimistic outcome likely clh
mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) subject infinity \? \( doppelganger \( vulcan \? \) reply sysmgr king eng umd edu 's message 15 apr 1993 22 22 19 gmt organization abo akademi university , finland x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 36 mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes article 1993apr15 1 fnalf fnal gov , higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) writes known journey far side sun united states doppelganger u k later , went live action sf series ufo space 1999 astronomy lousy , lifting body spacecraft , airliners , mighty portugese launch complex wonderful look exactly space 1999 effects remain first rate even today recycled lot models theme music ufo concepts even showed space 1999 later , tried shed reputation creators worst pseudo scientific shows tv history flying infinity one thing done part bbc 's educational sf series day tomorrow anderson episode dealt spaceship capable reaching speed light \( \) , four man crew eventually journeyed black hole ended far side galaxy \( think \) saw 9 year old back 1976 liked much , fan space 1999 guess easily satisfied days \) anyone know infinity released video \? space 1999 shows vhs know thunderbirds etc also available england marcu software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
uu holonet net \( \) subject used taurus sho purchase article 274 332 uupcb reply uu holonet net \( \) distribution world organization data dimension pcboard , ga 404 921 1186 lines 31 quoting jeffrey j 's \( microwave gsfc nasa gov \) article skates gsfc nasa gov 04 06 93 , pertinent part jj considering buying used '90 taurus sho car jj question miles took test drive day jj questions came jj jj jj second , anything specifically look jj sho vintage \? anything specifically ask \? jj \( brakes , , etc \) noticed drive clutch jj point seemed little high since cars auto jj i'm sure point foot firmly planted jj brake started bit pop pedal jj soon engine started also occured bird jj test drove abs self test \? brake rotors clutch main things clutch replacement program might check see car still eligible , change well worth making also swap cruddy cable shifter newer rod shifter , also change worth making , 'll cost brakes usually one startup , probably normal n't know self test , 's interesting kind tires car \? winqwk 2 0b 131 good time dial 7000 sho
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center u23590 uicvm uic edu subject cripple chip lines 19 telco clipper key telco intended partner 's key , using one whenever call , message gets decrypted key exchange know 's stupid system , feds , 'd great point take crypto market , btw clinton want people sort crypto \( like busch \) needs support technology initiative garbage 's pushing \( industrial policy stuff \) computer hip designed gov't thing 's going thing \( literal \) billions dollars took government agency design \? watkins earth eecs uic edu
subject space faq 03 15 data sources leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) expires 6 may 1993 19 55 35 gmt organization university north carolina , chapel hill keywords frequently asked questions supersedes data cs unc edu nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu lines 463 archive name space data last modified date 93 04 01 14 39 07 online sources images , data , etc introduction wide variety images , data , catalogs , information releases , material dealing space astronomy may found net sites offer direct dialup access remote login access , remainder support form file transfer many sites listed providing refers file transfer protocol internet sites connected internet cannot use ftp directly , automated ftp servers operates via email send mail containing word help ftpmail decwrl dec com bitftp pucc princeton edu , servers send instructions make requests sources broadest selection material nasa ames space archive national space science data center n't even ask images posted net data volume huge nobody wants spend time viewing images possible combinations image formats machines large , wo n't attempt cover common formats \( gif , etc \) read pds vicar \( many \) formats unix systems running x , use xv 2 11 , available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) contrib xv 2 11 tar z standard x11 ftp sites faq usenet group alt binaries pictures discusses image formats get image viewing software copy document available anonymous ftp usenet faq archives pit manager mit edu \( 18 72 1 58 \) , directory pub usenet alt binaries pictures online archives nasa ames extensive archives maintained nasa ames available via anonymous ftp email server archives include many images wide variety documents including faq list , nasa press releases , shuttle launch , mission status reports please note maintained official basis ftp users connect ames arc nasa gov \( 128 102 18 3 \) look pub space pub space index contains listing files available archive \( index 200k \) access archives email , send letter archive server ames arc nasa gov \( ames ! archive server \) subject letter \( body \) , use commands like send space index send space shuttle 23 91 capitalization subdirectory names important caps text files handled email server present use one ftp email servers described introduction section images programs magellan venus voyager jupiter , saturn , uranus cd rom image disks put online cdrom directories disks rotated weekly basis thousands images available collections gif directory contains images gif format vicar directory contains magellan images vicar format \( also available gif directory \) pc program capable displaying files found imdisp directory \( see item viewing images \) nasa media guide describes various nasa centers contact public affairs officers may useful pursuing specific information 's misc media guide problems archive server reported peter yee \( yee ames arc nasa gov \) nasa astrophysics data system ads distributed data retrieval system easy use provides uniform access ground based space based astronomy data nasa data centers across country currently 140 data catalogs radio , infrared , optical , uv , x ray data position parameter catalog ads also provides tools manipulate plot results addition , ads beta version abstracts service allows users query 125 , 000 abstracts astronomy papers since 1975 authors , keywords , title words , abstract text words ads use requires direct internet access info sign become user , email ads edu user 's guide guide available anonymous ftp sao ftp harvard edu directory pub ads ads user guide \( postscript files \) contact carolyn stern grant \( stern cfa harvard edu \) nasa jet propulsion lab \( mission information images \) pubinfo jpl nasa gov \( 128 149 6 2 \) anonymous ftp site operated jpl public information office , containing news releases , status reports , fact sheets , images , data jpl missions may also reached modem \( 818 \) 354 1333 \( parity , 8 data bits , 1 stop bit \) contact jplpost jpl nasa gov phone \( 818 \) 354 nasa langley \( technical reports \) techreports larc nasa gov anonymous ftp site offering technical reports get started , cd directory pub techreports larc 92 retrieve files readme abstracts 92 files compressed postscript reports also wais database following description \( source version 3 ip name techreports larc nasa gov tcp port 210 database name nasa larc abs cost 0 00 cost unit free maintainer l nelson larc nasa gov description nasa langley research center technical reports contact tr admin techreports larc nasa gov nasa spacelink spacelink online service located marshall space flight center huntsville , alabama system specifically designed teachers data base arranged provide easy access current historical information nasa aeronautics , space research , technology transfer information also included suggested classroom activities incorporate information nasa projects teach number scientific principles unlike bulletin board systems , nasa spacelink provide interaction callers however allow teachers callers leave questions comments nasa may answered regular mail messages answered electronically , even acknowledge requests fulfilled mail messages generally handled next working day except missions turnaround times increase mail system closed loop user nasa spacelink also offers downloadable shareware public domain programs useful science educators well space graphics gif images nasa 's planetary probes hubble telescope dial \( 205 \) 895 0028 \( 300 1200 2400 9600 \( v 32 \) baud , 8 bits , parity , 1 stop bit \) , telnet spacelink msfc nasa gov \( 128 158 13 250 , also known msfc nasa gov \) 're internet anonymous ftp capability \( password guest \) available information also available ames server directory spacelink national space science data center \( nssdc \) national space science data center official clearinghouse nasa data data catalog \( data \) available online internet users telnet nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( 128 183 36 23 \) log 'nodis' \( password \) also get catalog sending email nssdc gsfc nasa also dial \( 301 \) 286 9000 \( 300 , 1200 , 2400 baud , 8 bits , parity , one stop \) enter number prompt , enter md carriage return system responds call complete , enter carriage returns get username log 'nodis' \( password \) system menu driven topics available 3 93 1 master directory nasa global change 2 personnel information management system 3 nimbus 7 grid data 4 interplanetary medium data \( omni \) 5 request data information nssdc 6 geophysical models 7 newsletter 8 international ultraviolet explorer data request 9 browse order utility 10 astronomical data center \( adc \) 11 step bulletin board service 12 standards technology information system 13 planetary science magellan project information 14 online data services nssdc 15 cd roms available nssdc users internet access , datasets made available via anonymous ftp select desired datasets online catalog users , data may ordered cd rom formats among many types data available voyager , magellan , planetary images , earth observation data , star catalogs viewers macintosh ibm systems also available example cost , 8 cd set voyager images 75 data may ordered online , email , physical mail postal address national space science data center request coordination office goddard space flight center code 633 greenbelt , md 20771 telephone \( 301 \) 286 6695 email address request nssdca gsfc nasa gov space telescope science institute electronic information service stsci edu \( 130 167 1 2 \) large amount information hubble space telescope available anonymous ftp , status reports newsletters , addition material oriented towards hst observers get top level readme file begin contact pete reppert \( reppert stsci edu \) chris \( stsci edu \) starcat space telescope european coordination facility , eso garching provides line access huge astronomical database , featuring observation log files several satellites telescopes \( , iras , hst , ntt \) spectra images \( , hst \) astronomical catalogues \( sao , hr , , ppm , iras , , many others , 50 \) convenient way \( give center radius kind objects , get corresponding files ! \) log \( password \) node stesis hq eso org \( 134 171 8 100 \) stesis \( decnet \) files created ftp contact benoit , eso org \( phone 49 89 320 06 433 \) st ecf astronomical databases full sao stellar database available online , probably due 40 mb size may ordered magnetic tape nssdc subset containing position magnitude available ftp \( see astronomy programs \) nic funet fi \( 128 214 6 100 \) large collection astronomical programs many types computers , databases stars deep sky objects , general astronomy information directory pub astro site mainly european users , overseas connections possible ames archives contain database 8 , 436 galaxies including name , ra , , magnitude , radial velocity misc galaxy dat supplied wayne hayes \( wayne csri utoronto ca \) dal ca \( 129 173 18 107 \) number gifs voyager , hubble , sources available anonymous ftp pub gif \( data also space gif ames server \) please restrict access 5pm atlantic time pomona claremont edu yale bright star catalog anonymous ftp directory yale bsc contact james \( claremont edu \) hubble guide star catalog available cd rom mac pc 49 95 us \( catalog \) astronomical society pacific 390 ashton ave san francisco , ca phone \( 415 \) 337 9 3 pm pacific time fax \( 415 \) 337 german \( possibly european \) readers , service distribute astronomical data interested amateurs cost 30 40 catalogs available dm 6 8 disk several floppy disk formats available expense receiving email system , asks contact physical mail neustaedter strasse 11 w 3123 germany phone frg astronomy programs various astronomy related programs databases posted net past archived anonymous ftp multiple sites , including ftp uu net \( 137 39 1 9 \) also see astro ftp list posted sci astro monthly , complete list space related sources interest comp sources unix volume 8 moon phase date routines volume 12 , 13 starchart starchart program yale star data volume 15 shows moon phase picture suns volume 16 sao reduced sao catalog space related sources interest comp sources misc volume 8 moon another moon phase program volume 11 starchart starchart program , version 3 2 volume 11 orbit orbit track earth satellites volume 12 starchart program , update version 3 2 1 volume 13 plotter jupiter 's major moons perl volume 13 \( sure \) volume 14 4 21 astronomical ephemeris , v4 21 volume 14 orbit patch orbit 3 7 volume 18 planet planet generation simulator elwood downey \( e downey cr rockwell com \) , author , offered mail copies people ca n't find one archives , x window system based satellite tracking program , available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) contrib 0 tar z contact dave curry \( davy ecn purdue edu \) information , computerized sky atlas x window system , available anonymous ftp arizona edu directory software unix contact terry r \( terry venus com \) information variable stars analysis software archive available via anonymous ftp kauri vuw ac nz \( 130 195 11 3 \) directory pub astrophys intended specialists field , would appreciate people outside new zealand ftp access astrophys directory , pay significant amount internet access contents relatively sparse present due youth archive contributions encouraged contact archive administrator , timothy banks \( kauri vuw ac nz \) information idl astronomy users library available anonymous ftp gsfc nasa gov \( 128 183 57 82 \) central repository general purpose astronomy procedures written idl , commercial image processing , plotting , programming language contact wayne \( stars gsfc nasa gov \) information orbital element sets recent orbital elements nasa prediction bulletins carried celestial bbs , \( 513 \) 427 0674 documentation tracking software also available system celestial bbs may accessed 24 hours day 300 , 1200 , 2400 baud using 8 data bits , 1 stop bit , parity orbital element sets available via anonymous ftp following sites archive afit af mil \( 129 92 1 66 \) nasa , , shuttle directory pub space ftp funet fi \( 128 214 6 100 \) nasa , , , , directory pub astro pc shuttle \( \) kilroy jpl nasa gov \( 128 149 1 165 \) nasa , directory pub space space digest archives copies back issues space digest archived listserv uga bitnet send mail containing message index space get index files send message get filename get particular file landsat nasa photos get black white 1 1m prints , negatives , positives 10 , 18 , 12 respectively landsat data 2 years old , \( eros \( earth resources orbiting satellite \) data center \) call \( 605 \) 594 get 80 meter resolution mss scanner , kilometers picture mm size think select one band \( green , red , near ir , second near ir \) , i'm sure data also available higher prices transparencies nasa photos available public borrowed nasa photo archive copies prints made nasa audio visual facility 918 north ave mountain view , ca 94043 \( 415 \) 604 planetary maps usgs address maps planets u geological survey , distribution branch , box , federal center , bldg 41 denver , co maps cost 2 40 3 10 per sheet \( come sets 2 3 sheets \) best global maps mars based viking images 1 15 , 000 , 000 scale 3 sheets maps \( 2 sheets \) relief , albedo , names 1618 \( 3 sheets \) relief , names \( 3 sheets \) relief , contours , b , c \( 3 sheets \) geology many maps well 30 sheets 1 5 , 000 , 000 scale relief , albedo , geology , forms \( 30 sheets available formats \) 140 sheets 1 2 , 000 , 000 scale whole planet , 100 sheets interesting sites 1 500 , 000 scale format , lots special sheets maps mercury , venus , moon , four galilean satellites , six moons saturn five uranus phil \( sscl uwo ca \) , author item , offered respond email requests information topic relating lunar planetary maps cometary orbit data central bureau astronomical telegrams minor planet center announce sixth edition catalogue cometary orbits iau circular catalogue contains entries represent known comets november 1989 96 pages long non subscribers may purchase catalogue 15 00 cost subscribers 7 50 basic catalogue ascii along program extract specific orbits calculate available ms dos 5 25 inch diskette cost 75 00 \( program requires math coprocessor \) catalogue alone also available e mail 37 50 magnetic tape 300 00 except printed version catalogue , various magnetic media e mail forms catalogue specifically non subscribers possible forms catalogue may available non subscribers prices may expensive given mail requests specific information orders central bureau astronomical telegrams smithsonian astrophysical observatory cambridge , 02138 , usa next faq 4 15 performing calculations interpreting data formats
brother mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( jesse \) subject 's rust beamer ! help ! organization university illinois urbana lines 16 actually n't surprised , since bought rust got ideas getting rid cheaply \( key word \) \? \? eaten way door panels use \? also , good paint bond aluminum rims \? paint rims , actually , 's rust looking rims comes pretty easily one thing done self painting car \? start \? need \? please help ! jesse
organization penn state university greg psuvm psu edu subject soundblaster irq port settings distribution inet 1993apr16 walter cray com s106275 ee tut fi lines 12 article s106275 ee tut fi , s106275 ee tut fi \( anssi saari \) says 1993apr16 walter cray com huot cray com \( tom huot \) writes would also like explanation anyone explain sb pro lpt 1 share irq , please think 's simply dos n't use irq anything os 2 , ca n't share irq correct dos use irq 7 sb ca n't os 2 uses irq 7 printer
caf omen uucp \( chuck forsberg wa7kgx \) subject new diet works great ! ! ! ! organization omen technology inc , portland rain forest lines 32 article lynx unm edu bhjelle carina unm edu \( \) writes gordon banks lot keep going back obesity think us cycle one 's success depends large fluctuations cycle people cycle 5 pounds unfortunately , i'm one certainly describes situation perfectly constant dynamic tendency eat , appears totally , purely conscious desire put much weight get fat , diet exercise \( varying degrees success \) take extra weight usually cycle within 15 lb range , smaller larger cycles occur well i'm always afraid method stop working someday , usually seem able hold weight gain check one reason hard time accepting notion metabolic associated cycle dieting \( results long term weight gain \) cycle dieting least 20 years without seeing change mentioned 101 , experience weight rebound fact n't n't prove n't happen others chuck forsberg wa7kgx ! tektronix ! reed ! omen ! caf author ymodem , zmodem , professional yam , zcomm , dsz omen technology inc high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie rd portland 97231 503 621 3406
\( phil \) subject arrogance christians organization u west advanced technologies lines 36 article apr 10 05 32 15 1993 14385 athos rutgers edu , dleonar andy bgsu edu \( pixie \) wrote article apr 7 01 55 50 1993 athos rutgers edu , vbv r2d2 eeap cwru edu \( virgilio \( dean \) b velasco jr \) wrote affirm absolutes scripture , arrogant moralists , believe god truth , revealed truth word , therefore hold precious strategic importance absolutes pardon , humble atheist , exactly difference holding revealed truth blind faith basis \( e regardless evidence may find contrary \) absolute truth , fully expecting people believe arrogance \? would bother check good thesaurus , think find arrogance offensive exhibition presumed real superiority \( paraphrase webster 's \) pride person believe absolute truth , even blindly \( whatever means \) without obnoxious person humble , authority questioning , defying theist reply athiest quite arrogant arrogance believe , relate believe present others overwhelming experience christians arrogant , behalf experience , least forums like usenet see good mix people , arrogant christians athiests seems occur equal numbers phil hey , 're talking phone company , phone company n't opinions kind stuff
shc cbnewsk cb att com \( stephen chu \) subject application errors win31 organization keywords memory errors lines 60 h e l p ! problem i'm getting increasing frustrated every day background pc american bios \( clone 386 sx \) 32m ram config sys file device c dos himem sys dos high , umb device c windows emm386 exe noems files 30 buffers 30 stack 9 , 256 autoexec bat file using smartdrv exe c cmos set running 0 wait state read write cache ram problem application error win31 started newly installed win31 installed excel run excel , problem permanent swap file size place windows ok , proceed install norton desktop windows version 2 0 problem installation also allow ndw alter autoexec bat \( nav running c \) problem came try \( bring excel excel running right middle like click selection mouse \) desktop first , always get application error screen followed another application error screen various different messages following stack fault , drv address 0001 xxxx xxxx number \( drv vga driver provided manufacture \) general protection fault , ndw exe address segment load failure , ndw exe address , address always 0001 something address 0001 xxxx means \? absolutely idea mean tried commented tsr programs autoexec bat , help something emm386 setup telling win31 suppose know looks like application crossing memory boundary loaded running please reply idea suggestion i'm willing try anything steve chu bell labs holmdel , nj
catone compstat wharton upenn edu \( tony catone \) subject 17 monitors c5geh5 n1d utdallas edu organization university pennsylvania lines 14 nntp posting host compstat wharton upenn edu reply goyal utdallas edu 's message 14 apr 93 03 17 28 gmt article c5geh5 n1d utdallas edu goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) writes oh yeah , read another newsgroup t560i uses high quality trinitron tube monitors \( sony 1604s example \) extra cost comes also high bandwidth comes , fantastic image , large image size , etc , etc 's also two annoying lines across screen \( one third , two thirds \) come tony catone compstat wharton upenn edu
clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) subject clinton president 's trip pittsburg organization project gnu , free software foundation , 675 mass ave , cambridge , 02139 , usa 1 \( 617 \) 876 3296 lines 31 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 15 , 1993 statement press secretary president travel pittsburgh saturday , april 17 talk job creation plan impact state pennsylvania , would create many 3 , 818 full time jobs 21 , 240 summer jobs make public address pittsburgh international airport 9 30 president leave washington early saturday morning return afternoon white house press charter depart andrews air force base 7 30 filing facilities available pittsburgh
king reasoning com \( dick king \) subject interview doctor nntp posting host drums reasoning com organization reasoning systems , inc , palo alto , ca lines 11 insurance company encourages annual , age 42 i'm thinking , least , might good idea therefore , i'm shopping gp might well get good one could assembled net wisdom suggest things look , point faq archive topic one \? please email suspect topic real net clutter bait dk
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject header paint disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host relva rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 8 seems 200 miles rain bike 's headers metal underneath solid , need sand rust coating repaint pipes black recommendations paint application said paint \? thanks ! axel
reidg pacs pha pa us \( reid goldsborough \) subject word processing utilities sale keywords software distribution na organization philadelphia area computer society lines 60 word processing utilities include complete printed manuals registration cards need get rid excess 're latest versions 've priced programs less half list price significantly less cheapest mail order price around grammatik 5 windows , top rated grammar checker , helps improve writing correcting grammar usage mistakes , owned wordperfect , list 99 , sale 45 grammatik 5 dos , top rated grammar checker , helps improve writing correcting grammar usage mistakes , owned wordperfect , list 99 , sale 45 correct grammar windows 2 0 , top notch grammar checker , , list 119 , sale 45 correct grammar dos 4 0 , top notch grammar checker , , list 99 , sale 40 correct writing 1 0 windows , online writing manual tips correct use , capitalization , compound words , , bibliographies , footnotes , , list 59 , sale 25 random house electronic dictionary thesaurus windows 1 0 , unlike spell checkers provides online definitions 're sure word 's meaning , also larger thesaurus word processors finding right word , list 119 , sale 55 random house electronic dictionary thesaurus dos 1 2 , functionality windows version , list 119 , sale 55 word finder plus windows 1 0 , huge online thesaurus one million , list 59 , sale 25 random house encyclopedia dos 1 02 , online encyclopedia use without needing cd rom drive , easier use less expensive book based encyclopedia , takes 5 5 mb hard disk space , list 119 , sale 55 1 5 , dos based database great advertising headlines , proverbs , , song titles , movie titles , , great advertising , newspaper editors , , others trying come catchy phrases , list 195 , sale 90 toolkit windows 2 0 , amazing collection seven different word processing utilities one package , includes encyclopedia , great quotations , dictionary abbreviations , dictionary definitions , thesaurus , usage guide , grammar checker , list 129 , sale 65 're interested programs , please phone 215 885 \( philadelphia \) , 'll save package reid goldsborough reidg pacs pha pa us
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 43 article 1993apr16 hemlock cray com rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes article 15378 optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual actually , study shows 2 percent men surveyed said engaged homosexual sex 1 percent said considered exclusively homosexual yes , course kinsey report taken 50 years ago much liberal times regarding homosexuality point people say acutally may different interesting clip newspaper mention difference maybe conservative media bias \) smart enough realize argument would apply every survey regarding homosexuality therefore , would look stupid \( actually , see bryant bring point hee , hee \) figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower 10 percent figure part conventional wisdom since published kinsey report ryan
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject whats wrong \? organization university nebraska lincoln lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu 've also found electronic starters instant compact lamp fixtures kick interference nukes cordless phone \( hear guitar amplifier , \) paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
\( joseph barrus \) subject utility expand dos file descriptions directory listing \? organization naval ocean systems center , san diego , ca lines 16 looking windows utility would give listing files directory , also display description file utility would allow enter edit file descriptions , hopefully , length \( maybe small window scroll bar \? \) would able browse directories able see file without open execute beast \? , anyone want write one \? joe barrus barrus nosc mil
bruce liv ac uk \( bruce stephens \) subject question agnostic organization centre mathematical software research , univ liverpool lines 16 2 may 93 13 53 23 gmt , damon math okstate edu \( hastings damon tod \) said christian friend mine reasoned never created , could exist therefore created , therefore exists creator statement considered valid proof many christians \( followers religions , suppose \) \? rest deleted variant quite popular , arguments , discussed john leslie mackie 's miracle theism arguments existence god although mackie ultimately sides , arguments , think , quite fair sides brief discussions found alt atheism faqs bruce , university liverpool
kaminski netcom com \( peter kaminski \) subject krillean photography lines 101 organization information via netcom san jose , california newsgroups h added , followups set appropriate groups 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures \( 's kirlian krillean pictures tiny \) one might extrapolate say proves every object within universe \( know \) energy signature think 's safe say anything 's 0 degrees kelvin energy signature interesting questions kind energy , signifies 'd check places like edmund scientific \( still business \? \) wonder find ex soviet union equipment sale somewhere hierarchy expansion kirlian photography credulous side , andrew , alternative medicine guide natural therapies , isbn 0 14 0 , new york viking penguin , 1986 , , overly critical still useful overview 32 alternative health therapies russian engineer kirlian wife 1950s using alternating currents high frequency subjects , photographed found object good conductor \( metal \) picture showed surface , pictures poor conductors showed inner structure object even optically opaque found high frequency pictures could distinguish dead living objects dead ones constant outline whilst living ones subject changes object 's life activity also visible highly variable colour patterns high frequency photography practised twenty years soviet union people west taken seriously professor douglas dean new york professor philips washington university st louis produced kirlian photographs others produced brazil , austria germany using kirlian photography possible show aura around people 's fingers , notably around healers concentrating healing someone normally , blue white rays fingers , subject becomes angry excited , aura turns red spotty soviets using kirlian photography diagnose diseases cannot diagnosed method argue illnesses stage person n't actually ill claim able disease phase exciting phenomenon illustrated kirlian photography phantom effect high frequency photography leaf part cut , photograph gave complete picture leaf removed part showing faintly extremely important backs experiences psychics legs still important thing kirlian though electromagnetic pattern ca n't possibly represent secondary phenomenon field would vanish piece leaf leg vanished energy grid contained living object must therefore far significant actual object kirlian photography shown water mentally healer much richer energy field around ordinary water side , alan , reality shopping consumer 's guide new age hokum , whole earth review , autumn 1986 , p4 \( 11 \) excellent article providing common sense guidelines evaluating paranormal claims , author 's favorite examples hokum crank usually works isolation everyone else field study , making grand discoveries basement many paranormal movements traced back people kirlian photography , instance pump high voltage electricity anything emit glowing sparks , common knowledge electrical workers hobbyists century took lone basement crank declare sparks represent sort spiritual aura fact , kirlian photography subjected rigorous testing physicists john , harry j kyler , david l faust , reported findings october 15 , 1976 , issue science conclusion variations observed kirlian photographs due solely moisture surface body mysterious auras even necessarily changes mood mental state nevertheless , television shows , magazines , books \( many famous \) continue promote kirlian photography proof unknown peter kaminski kaminski netcom com
dbl visual com \( david b lewis \) subject comp windows x frequently asked questions \( faq \) 1 5 summary useful information x window system reply faq craft uunet uu net \( x faq maintenance address \) organization visual , inc expires sun , 2 may 1993 00 00 00 gmt lines 938 archive name x faq part1 last modified 1993 04 04 article several following contain answers frequently asked questions \( faq \) often seen comp windows x posted help reduce volume newsgroup provide hard find information general interest please redistribute article ! article includes answers following questions , loosely grouped categories questions marked indicate questions new issue significant changes content since last issue marked ! 0 \) topic basic information sources definitions 1 \) ! books articles x good beginners \? 2 \) ! courses x various x toolkits available \? 3 \) ! conferences x coming \? 4 \) x related public mailing lists available \? 5 \) meet x developers \? 6 \) related faqs available \? 7 \) ask net question maximize helpful responses \? 8 \) publications discussing x available \? 9 \) common abbreviations acronyms \? 10 \) icccm \? \( write x friendly applications \? \) 11 \) x consortium , join \? 12 \) open look motif \? 13 \) openwindows \? 14 \) decwindows \? 15 \) pex \? 16 \) low bandwidth x \( lbx \) \? xremote \? ppp \? slip \? cslip \? 17 \) topic using x day day life 18 \) ! different window managers \? 19 \) x session exit kill window manager \( sic \) \? 20 \) save state x session , like \? 21 \) use another window manager dec 's session manager \? 22 \) change keyboard auto repeat rate \? 23 \) remap keys keyboard produce string \? 24 \) ! make screendump print application \? 25 \) make color postscript screendump x display \? 26 \) make screendump including x cursor \? 27 \) convert view mac tiff gif sun pict img fax images x \? 28 \) change titlebar xterm window \? 29 \) find xterm control sequences \? 30 \) r3 xterm , et al , fail r4 server \? 31 \) use characters ascii 127 xterm \? 32 \) xterm menus small \? 33 \) print current selection \? 34 \) xt use environment variables loading resources \? 35 \) r4 xdm put picture behind log window \? 36 \) n't path set xdm runs xsession file \? 37 \) keep display rlogin another machine \? 38 \) design font \? 39 \) adding font server work \( sic \) \? 40 \) convert snf font back bdf font \? 41 \) general method getting font usable format \? 42 \) use decwindows fonts non decwindows server \? 43 \) add bdf fonts decwindows server \? 44 \) ! set backgroundpixmap defaults file \? \( xpm \? \) 45 \) ca n't override translations \? first item works 46 \) xclock oclock show different \? 47 \) xmh , n't work get mh \? 48 \) suddenly unable connect sun x server \? 49 \) n't r5 pex demos work mono screen \? 50 \) ! get sun type 45 keyboard fully supported xsun \? 51 \) report bugs x \? 52 \) get warning widget class version mismatch \? 53 \) find dictionary server xwebster \? 54 \) topic obtaining x related software hardware 55 \) x public domain software \? 56 \) compatible x11r3 , r4 , r5 \? changes \? 57 \) ! get x11r5 \( source binaries \) \? 58 \) ! get patches x11r5 \? 59 \) xstuff mail archive \? 60 \) ! get x11r4 \( source binaries \) \? 61 \) get osf motif \? 62 \) motif work x11r4 \? x11r5 \? 63 \) get toolkits implementing open look \? 64 \) ! get x sources \? \( including r5 modifications \) 65 \) ! get interesting widgets \? 66 \) get good file selector widget \? 67 \) widget appropriate use drawing canvas \? 68 \) current state world x terminals \? 69 \) get x server \? 70 \) get x server pc \( dos unix \) \? 71 \) get x server macintosh running \? 72 \) get x amiga \? 73 \) get fast x server workstation \? 74 \) ! get server high end sun graphics board \? 75 \) get x terminal server low end sun 3 50 \? 76 \) terminal emulators xterm available \? 77 \) ! get x based editor word processor \? 78 \) get x based mailer \? 79 \) ! get x based paint draw program \? 80 \) ! get x based plotting program \? 81 \) get x based spreadsheet \? 82 \) get x based project management software \? 83 \) get x based postscript previewer \? 84 \) get x based gks package \? 85 \) get x based pex package \? 86 \) get x based tex dvi previewer \? 87 \) get x based troff previewer \? 88 \) ! get wysiwyg interface builder \? 89 \) find x tools callable shell scripts \? 90 \) get x based debugger \? 91 \) ! tee x program identically several displays \? 92 \) topic building x distribution topic needs updating r5 93 \) 's good source information configuring x build \? 94 \) n't sun cg6 work r5 \? 95 \) n't sun sunos 4 1 know , etc \? 96 \) strange problem building x clients sunos 4 1 2 \? 97 \) ca n't gcc compile x11r4 sparc \? 98 \) errors running x built gcc \? 99 \) problems compiling x11r4 older sun3 \? 100 \) problems compiling x server sunos 4 1 1 \? 101 \) problems using r4 shared libraries sunos 4 \? 102 \) olit programs run r5 xt \? \( undefined \) 103 \) get around sunos 4 1 security hole \? 104 \) get around frame buffer security hole \? 105 \) topic building x programs 106 \) imake \? 107 \) get imake \? 108 \) program imakefile makefile \? 109 \) ca n't link xlib shape routines \? 110 \) problems xtinherit found sun \? 111 \) ca n't compile r3 xaw contrib programs new x \? 112 \) topic programming problems puzzles 113 \) n't program get keystrokes select \( sic \) \? 114 \) figure window manager running \? 115 \) skeleton x program available \? 116 \) xtgetvalues work \( sic \) \? 117 \) n't xtresizewidget work \? 118 \) n't call like \? 119 \) i'm writing widget ca n't use float resource value 120 \) memory leak x11r4 xtdestroywidget \( \) \? ! 121 \) callbacks guaranteed called order registered \? 122 \) n't xtdestroywidget \( \) actually destroy widget \? 123 \) query user using xt \? 124 \) determine name existing widget \? 125 \) get error drawing xtwindow \( widget \) \? 126 \) get badmatch error calling xgetimage \? 127 \) application tell run x \? 128 \) make busy cursor application computing \? 129 \) fork without hanging parent x program \? 130 \) make xt xlib calls signal handler \? 131 \) xlib sequence lost errors \? 132 \) xt program handle socket , pipe , file input \? 133 \) simulate button press release event widget \? 134 \) n't anything appear run simple program \? 135 \) difference screen screen \? 136 \) use c x11 \? motif \? xview \? 137 \) obtain alternate language bindings x \? 138 \) get window 's background pixel pixmap \? 139 \) create transparent window \? 140 \) n't gxxor produce mathematically correct color values \? 141 \) every color allocate show black \? 142 \) ca n't program get standard colormap \? 143 \) pixmap copy screen show garbage \? 144 \) check whether window id valid \? 145 \) two applications draw window \? 146 \) ca n't program work tvtwm swm \? 147 \) keep window resized user \? 148 \) keep window foreground times \? 149 \) make text bitmaps blink x \? 150 \) get double click xlib \? 151 \) ! render rotated text \? 152 \) x registry \? \( reserve names \? \) suggestions corrections answers additional information , please send directly uunet ! craft ! faq information included next revision \( possibly one thanks many suggestions n't incorporated yet \) version faq process r3 information replaced r5 information posting intended distributed approximately beginning month new versions archived export lcs mit edu also available mail server pit manager mit edu archive server nic switch ch \( send help \) information contained herein gathered variety sources many cases attribution lost would like claim responsibility particular item , please let know conventions used telephone numbers tend bell system unless otherwise noted prices items included email addresses work us x window system trademark massachusetts institute technology trademarks property respective owners \( note script george ferguson \( ferguson cs rochester edu \) pretty print faq available ugle unit pub x11 contrib \) subject 0 \) topic basic information sources definitions subject 1 \) ! books articles x good beginners \? ken lee synoptics \( klee synoptics com \) regularly posts comp windows x ba windows x bibliography containing cites known reference books manuals also cites selected technical articles x x programming ftp able export lcs mit edu contrib gatekeeper dec com pub x11 contrib set reference books tutorials useful beginners appear list comments gathered variety places asente , paul j , swick , ralph r , x window system toolkit , complete programmer 's guide specification , digital press , 1990 bible xt treasury information , excellent invaluable distributed digital press , isbn 1 051 3 , order number ey dp prentice hall , isbn 0 13 6 also available dec direct 1 800 digital examples export lcs mit edu contrib gatekeeper dec com \( 16 1 0 2 \) pub x11 contrib asente swick examples tar z also posted comp sources x xt examples 1 5 jones , oliver , introduction x window system , prentice hall , 1988 , 1989 isbn 0 13 5 excellent introduction programming xlib written programmer mind , book includes many practical tips found anywhere else book broad o'reilly xlib tutorial , jones experienced x programmer shows quality depth material book originally written , recent included corrections additions current material young , doug x window system applications programming xt \( motif version \) , prentice hall , 1989 \( isbn 0 13 8 \) excellent tutorial x window system programming applications xt , \( isbn 0 13 3 \) updated motif examples available export ones motif version ftp contrib young motif tar z young , doug john pew , x window system programming applications xt , open look edition \( isbn 0 13 x \) tutorial rewritten olit , new examples drag drop information examples export olit tar z openwindows 3 distribution openwinhome share src olit heller , dan motif programmers manual 6th volume o'reilly series covers motif application programming 's full good examples motif reference pages \( isbn 0 70 6 \) examples available uunet comp sources x nutshell archives motif 1 2 soon scheifler , robert , james , jim flowers david rosenthal , x window system complete reference xlib , x protocol , icccm , , x version 11 , release 5 , third edition , digital press , 1992 bible latest revision , enhanced version x documentation authors xlib documentation complete published description x programming interface x protocol primary reference work introductory tutorial documentation additional tutorial works usually needed new x programmers digital press order ey dp , isbn 0 13 1 nye , adrian , xlib programming manual , volume 1 xlib reference manual , volume 2 , o'reilly associates superset mit x documentation first volume tutorial broad coverage xlib , second contains reference pages xlib functions many useful reference appendices cover x11r5 \( r4 \) isbn 0 937175 26 9 \( volume 1 \) isbn 0 937175 27 7 \( volume 2 \) nye , adrian , tim o'reilly , x toolkit programming manual , volume 4 , o'reilly associates , 1989 folks o'reilly give comprehensive treatment programming mit intrinsics r4 versions available , motif 1 1 version \( volume 4m \) o'reilly , tim , ed , x toolkit reference manual , volume 5 , o'reilly associates professional reference manual mit x11r4 x11r5 xt mansfield , x window system user 's guide , addison wesley , 1989 tutorial introduction using x , upgraded r4 isbn 0 201 2 , valerie tim o'reilly x window system user 's guide , o'reilly associates tutorial introduction using x isbn 0 937175 36 6 also available r4 motif flavors , linda eric x window system administrator 's guide x11 r4 r5 ora volume 8 help x users administrators isbn 0 937175 83 8 \( prentice hall ordering 201 767 o'reilly ordering 800 998 \) addition , check x11r4 x11r5 core distribution doc tutorials useful papers tutorials , particularly file answers txt late night 's top ten x11 questions dave lemke \( lemke ncd com \) stuart marks \( sun com \) answers common questions detail new r5 versions o'reilly references \( yet volume 6 \) available 8 92 single volume , programmer 's supplement r5 david flanagan , provides overview new r5 features includes man pages xlib , xt , xmu isbn 0 937175 86 2 subject 2 \) ! courses x various x toolkits available \? 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xhibition 93 x trade show conference , tutorials , panels , presentations , vendor exhibits , held san jose convention center june 7 11 , 1993 information 1 617 621 0060 , ics com tcl tk workshop held berkeley june 10 11 , 1993 information cs berkeley edu 1993 andrew technical conference consortium annual meeting held june 24 25 , 1993 , pittsburgh information wilfred hansen cs cmu edu european x user group holds annual conference typically includes includes paper presentations vendor exhibit , x real world multimedia held 9 16 9 17 imperial college science technology , london information exug demon co uk , uit co uk p whitehead cc ic ac uk , 44 \( 0 \) 223 , fax 44 \( 0 \) 223 motif show held washington coincide fedunix federal open systems conference \( usually december \) information motif fedunix org paller fedunix org , 301 229 1062 , fax 301 229 1063 mit x technical conference typically held january boston registration information available registration expo lcs mit edu conference exhibition includes tutorials , panels , presentations vendor exhibits typically held march new york city information sigs publication group 212 274 trade shows , , siggraph show increasing presence x , including tutorials exhibits subject 4 \) x related public mailing lists available \? 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o'reilly associates sponsors mailing list use x user group organizers subscribe sending listserv ora com message subscribe internet address local area x user 's groups listed issue 4 o'reilly 's x resource journal list may also available ics com french x user group called based sophia information obtained miss miss forest bp 148 157 , rue albert einstein cedex phone 33 93 95 45 00 45 01 fax 33 93 95 48 57 10 90 european x user group formed 1989 represent x users europe holds technical conferences regular intervals exug also publishes regular newsletter distributed free charge members exug also runs email mailing list members frequently used address issues european interest x exug contacted p whitehead cc ic ac uk , 44 \( 071 \) 225 , fax 44 \( 071 \) 823 german x user 's group \( preparation \) formed x programmers users associated exug interested contact olaf \( 49 30 7 79 54 64 mcvax ! unido ! tub ! olaf \) subject 6 \) related faqs available \? liam r e quin \( lee sq sq com \) posts faq open look comp windows open look jan \( jan canberra edu au \) posts faq motif comp windows x motif peter ware \( ware cis ohio state edu \) posts faq comp windows x intrinsics export contrib faq xt art mulder \( art cs ualberta ca \) posts comp windows x faq maximizing performance x steve kotsopoulos \( steve ecf toronto edu \) posts comp windows x faq using x intel based unix systems faq alt binaries pictures contains information viewing images x image formats faq comp mail mh \( gatewayed mh users ics uci edu \) includes section xmh faq comp lang lisp contains information several interface tools toolkits exists pex phigs faq subject 7 \) ask net question maximize helpful responses \? asking help net x mailing lists , sure include information setup specific , likely someone spot error without details , people want help often guess able respond always mention version x using got server came different source rest x system , give details , give machine type , operating system , version client server machine may also appropriate mention window manager , compiler , display hardware type using tell exactly , exactly happens , expected wanted happen command fails , include exact transcript session message program wrote n't work way expect , include little source necessary \( small test case , please ! \) readers reproduce problem subject 8 \) publications discussing x available \? trade magazines \( unix world , unix review , computer language , etc \) publishing articles x two x specific publications include o'reilly associates publishes x resource practical journal x window system \( 103 morris st , , ca \) editorial information adrian nye , adrian ora com x journal started bi monthly publication september 1991 variety x topics subscription information x journal , subscriber services , dept xxx , p box 3000 , , nj , usa editorial information editors topgun uunet uu net subject 9 \) common abbreviations acronyms \? xt x toolkit intrinsics library xlib provides functionality widget sets built xt based program application uses one widget sets uses intrinsics mechanisms manipulate widgets xmu xmu library collection miscellaneous utility functions useful building various applications widgets xaw athena widget set mit implemented sample widget set distributed x11 source xm osf motif widget set open software foundation binary kits available many hardware vendors \( xw \) hewlett packard widget set originally based r2 , several sets patches exist bring r3 , distributed x11r4 tapes supplemental patches available use r4 r5 clx common lisp x interface common lisp equivalent xlib xdmcp x display manager protocol provides uniform mechanism display x terminal request login service remote host x logical font description conventions describes standard logical font description conventions used clients query access resources rtfm common expert speak meaning please locate consult relevant documentation read forgotten manual common expression meaning take advantage fact n't limited binary license use source , luke api application programmer interface function calls , etc , programming library bdf bitmap distribution format human readable format x fonts gui graphical user interface uil user interface language , part osf motif lets programmers specify widget hierarchy simple outline form wcl widget creation language , package extends understanding xt resource format widget hierarchy actions widgets specified resources file gil file format put sun 's openwindows developers guide 3 0 uims user interface management system subject 10 \) icccm \? \( write x friendly applications \? \) inter client communication conventions manual one official x consortium standards documents define x environment describes conventions clients must observe coexist peacefully clients sharing server writing x clients , need read understand icccm , particular sections discussing selection mechanism interaction client window manager get either part r4 distribution mit later editions scheifler x window system book appendix new version o'reilly 's volume 0 , x protocol reference manual version old copies volume 1 obsolete version digital press book much readable , thanks efforts digital press 's editors improve english presentation david rosenthal , 10 90 icccm updated r5 updates published o'reilly 's programmer 's supplement release 5 complete document r5 tapes alternate definition icccm generally rtfm important least read x documents subject 11 \) x consortium , join \? mit x consortium formed january 1988 development x window system major goal promotion cooperation within computer industry creation standard software interfaces layers x window system environment mit 's role provide vendor neutral architectural administrative leadership required make work membership consortium open organization two categories membership , member \( large organizations \) affiliate \( smaller organizations \) consortium 's activities take place via electronic mail , meetings required designs specifications take shape , interest groups formed experts participating organizations typically small multi organization architecture team leads design , others acting close observers reviewers complete specification produced , may submitted formal technical review consortium proposed standard standards process typically includes public review \( outside consortium \) demonstration proof concept involvement public review process member affiliate consortium welcomed write bob scheifler , mit x consortium , laboratory computer science , 545 technology square , cambridge , 02139 complete information see xconsortium man page x11r4 distribution , information adapted 2 90 subject 12 \) open look motif \? open look motif two graphical user interfaces \( guis \) open look developed sun help many industry reviewers motif developed open software foundation \( osf \) input many osf members open look primarily user interface specification style guide several toolkits used produce open look applications motif includes api specification sanctioned motif toolkit one osf however , toolkits used produce programs look behave like osf motif one , parcplace 's \( formerly solbourne 's \) oi , virtual toolkit provides objects style open look motif , user 's choice open look gui also name product , comprising open look intrinsics toolkit variety applications thanks ian darwin , ian sq com , 5 91 subject 13 \) openwindows \? open windows \( 3 0 \) sun product encompasses window system combines news x11 compliant server \( x news \) user interface specification \( open look \) series toolkits implement \( including sunview like xview xt based olit \) xlib xt implementations number utilities \( olwm window manager , , shelltool , etc \) thanks frank greco \( govt shearson com \) , 8 90 4 92 subject 14 \) decwindows \? decwindows dec product encompasses x11 server toolkit , including widget set uil xlib xt implementations session manager number utilities \( dxwm window manager , , , etc \) \( point motif flavors toolkit applications shipped \) 8 90 subject 15 \) pex \? pex phigs extension x phigs stands programmer 's hierarchical interactive graphics system essentially library functions simplifies creation manipulation 3d graphics many platforms capable performing hardware computations involved rendering 3d objects extension allows client \( phigs case \) take advantage specialized hardware 3d graphics sun microsystems currently contracted develop freely redistributable \( copyright similar current x copyright \) sample implementation source documentation available r5 release several vendors currently selling independently developed pex servers workstations x terminals last modified 10 91 subject 16 \) low bandwidth x \( lbx \) \? xremote \? ppp \? slip \? cslip \? several options using x serial lines slip serial line ip mechanism protocol sending ip packets point point serial links around several years , implementations available many major tcp ip implementations x terminal vendors supply item , although nobody really ever uses since horribly slow tcp ip headers add 40 bytes per packet tcp ip encoding x protocol rather verbose \( rightfully optimized packing high speed links \) cslip compressed header slip variant slip compresses 40 bytes tcp ip headers 5 6 bytes still n't anything x protocol modems compression help , increase packet latency \( takes time dribble uncompressed data typical serial interfaces , plus compression assembly time \) ppp point point protocol emerging standard point point links serial lines complete set option negotiation slip growing number people see combination ppp serial line management cslip header compression becoming common running normal tcp ip protocols serial lines running raw x wire still needs compression somewhere make usable xremote name protocol set products originally developed ncd x protocol serial lines addition using low level transport mechanism similar ppp cslip , xremote removes x protocol sending previous packets using lzw compress entire data stream work done either pseudo x server proxy running host terminal server several advantages compression outside modem \( 1 \) n't compressing modems would n't otherwise using \( e g going directly connected \) , \( 2 \) reduces overhead cutting number bytes cross serial interface , \( 3 \) addition effects 2 , reduces latency delivering packets requiring modem buffer data waiting blocks compress lbx low bandwidth x x consortium project working standard area ncd xerox using ncd 's xremote protocol stepping stone developing new protocol lbx go beyond xremote adding proxy caching commonly used information \( e g connection setup data , large window properties , font metrics , , etc \) efficient encoding x protocol hope standard ready public review first half next year sample implementation available r6 additional technical information xremote works notes lbx might different available via anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu contrib following files xremote slides ps slides describing xremote xremote lbx diffs ps slides describing lbx information provided jim fulton , jim ncd com 7 92 also set slides export jim fulton 's talk 7th mit x technical conference subject 17 \) topic using x day day life subject 18 \) ! different window managers \? window manager x another client part x window system , although enjoys special privileges single window manager instead , many support different ways user interact windows different styles window layout , decoration , keyboard colormap focus approximate chronological order \( generally , recent ones icccm \) wm simple title bar window manager phased r2 r3 uwm universal window manager still popular speed , although outdated moved contrib r4 tape twm \( old \) tom 's window manager among first non mit window managers offered user great deal customization options parenting window manager ardent window manager remains hackers offers features \( dynamic menus \) found current window managers part andrew system 's window manager tiles windows n't overlap window focus preferred size dxwm digital 's dxwm part decwindows offering hp 's window manager offers 3d look precursor mwm mwm motif window manager part osf motif toolkit tektronix 's window manager offering olwm \( sun \) olwm implements open look gui style guide functionality olwm \( \) ditto gwm bull 's generic window manager emulates others built lisp interpreter version 1 7h \( 10 91 \) r5 contrib tape 1 7n avahi inria fr export lcs mit edu 3 93 swm sigma window manager r4 tape sun 's postscript based part openwindows release swm solbourne 's swm based oi toolkit offers multiple gui support also virtual window configuration information comes resources file twm \( new \) mit 's new tab window manager r4 tape twm basis several derivatives , including one r5 tape vtwm vtwm offers virtual desktop features swm , single root window implementation based r4 twm available archive servers new version , vtwm 5 0 , based r5 9 available export 3 92 tvtwm tom 's virtual tab window manager also based r4 twm provides virtual desktop modeled virtual root window swm available archive servers olvwm vtwm style virtual desktop added sun 's olwm available archive servers version 3 3 1 93 export vtwm style virtual desktop added osf 's mwm beta version floating around \( recently suresh unipalm co uk \) requires source license osf motif 1 1 3 3 92 window manager local ncd terminals offers mwm look window manager local visual technology 's terminals claude 's \( sic epfl ch \) modification r5 twm offers 32 virtual screens fashion hp vuewm source export version 2 2 2 2 93 also offers window overview used vtwm tvtwm vuewm hp 's mwm based window manager offers configurable workspaces sgi 's enhanced mwm version tvtwm offers pie menus subject 19 \) x session exit kill window manager \( sic \) \? need n't probably happening running window manager last job xsession xinitrc file x session runs long last job running , killing window manager equivalent logging instead , run window manager background , last job instead invoke something safe like exec xterm name login rv iconic special client devising exits user action x session continue explicitly logout window , whether kill restart window manager subject 20 \) save state x session , like \? although known window manager directly supports feature may equivalent writing xinitrc xsession file naming geometry wm command application \( olvwm may something close \) contributed application much looking , although complete sunview program look application archive server near several versions program floating around look recent vintage 10 90 new pseudo session managers hp 's vuewm provide saving sessions including information geometry currently running applications resource database \( staff cs uit \) 3 93 subject 21 \) use another window manager dec 's session manager \? dec 's session manager start dxwm default override , add xdefaults file something like line , naming full pathname sm wherever usr bin x11 favorite wm subject 22 \) change keyboard auto repeat rate \? turn auto repeat using xset r x protocol , however , n't provide varying auto repeat rate , capability supported systems servers running systems support , however , may provide command line flags set rate start time control server start \( see man pages xinit xdm \) , invoke server chosen settings example , start xsun server mit options 350 30 reduce sensitivity keyboard subject 23 \) remap keys keyboard produce string \? method arranging particular string produced press particular key xmodmap client , useful moving ctrl esc keys useful places , keys macro expansion \( \) clients , including xterm several x based editors , accept translation resource xterm vt100 translations override key f1 string \( setenv display unix 0 \) permits f1 pressed reset display locally within xterm takes effect new xterm clients include control characters string , use nnn , nnn octal encoding control character want include window managers , could provide facility , yet special client made available david b lewis faq craft uunet uu net faqs , ma'am joe friday david b lewis temporarily speaking visual , inc day dbl visual com evening david craft uunet uu net
khiet ecn purdue edu \( peter thanh khiet vu \) subject wanted futon keywords wanted futon organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 5 looking large futon frame call peter 495 e mail khiet cn ecn
snake cs uidaho edu \( mr duane tribe \) subject underground encryption \( text white house announcement \) organization university idaho , moscow lines 28 distribution na nntp posting host snake cs uidaho edu article gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) writes looks like worst nightmares raised dorothy denning 's proposals coming true government continues course , imagine see strong cryptography made illegal encryption programs disk files email , well software allow encrypted voice communications , distributed underground people learn hide fact protecting privacy thoughts work done encrypted data inside non encrypted data files \? many file formats written gaps hide data new file formats could designed alternate data hidden amongst legitimate data hidden data would show right key \( \) , file hidden data would indistinguishable one without , correct key \( \) would reveal presence illegal document devise custom file compression algorithm friend , otherwise file appears total , right transmit file \? escrow data file formats \? gangs required escrow hand signals , colors catch phrases \? think 's important evaluate content electronic speach replacing media pen paper verbal speach ask question
tamsun tamu edu \( jack mckinney \) subject official rules baseball isbn organization barbara 's dungeon palace lines 12 distribution na nntp posting host tamsun tamu edu trying get copy official rules baseball someone sent isbn number , since lost anyone give information , tell find book \? none local bookstores i'm walking home school , i'm watching jack mckinney men building new house , guy ham tamu edu roof calls paranoid little morse code space philips rent
jade tufts edu \( nissan \) subject go hezbollah ! ! organization tufts university medford , lines 13 congratulations also due hamas activists blew world trade center , \? , every american put grave underlining usa 's bankrupt imperialist policies go hamas ! blah blah blah blah blah brad , asking violence love much come back haunt nissan
davidk netcom com \( david \) subject 88 toyota camry super deluxe 9 9k organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 15 88 toyota camry top line vehicle blue book 10 , 500 asking 9 , 900 73 k miles auto transmission everything ! owned meticulous mechanic call \( 408 \) 425 ask bob posted friend
tekig5 pen tek com \( dennis \) subject planets still images orbit ether twist reply tekig5 pen tek com organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 31 news saved 23 apr 93 22 22 40 gmt article 1993apr22 zeus calpoly edu dmcaloon tuba calpoly edu \( david mcaloon \) writes ether implodes 2 earth core , gravity ! ! ! paper describes heavenly stationary , ether sucking structures , observe orbital motion ! ! light years galaxies misnomer distance closer zero , time matter characteristics phase reality , outward layer onion \( defining edge 0 ether spin \) find , recommend studying history well , i'm working , getting little impatient far , 've made egyptian , chinese , greek cultures , far , insights n't seem perhaps 's appendix somewhere right , though , history kind fun lots good , varied interesting characters , come
stein u washington edu \( yoon aw \) subject documentation microsoft diagnostics \? article shelley distribution na organization university washington , seattle lines 10 nntp posting host stein u washington edu hi , found believe undocumented feature windows directory , microsoft diagnostics , ver 2 00 specifically interested depth explanation legends memory mapping report thanks aw u washington edu
fmg alpha smi med pitt edu \( filip gieszczykiewicz \) subject faq corrections summary pcb correction , ftp site , etc organization medical informatics , pittsburgh , pa usa lines 29 greetings received reply stating unless someone else confirms following company operating , remove lst pcb prototypes sandy , ut ronald baker south east sandy , ut tel read comm pcb faq \( commercial pcb makers \) also , n't time get faq onto sci answers like refer red tape finals , 'll see mean time , anyone know ftp site would n't mind 250k file \? \) last , new entries list \( mostly commercial institutional stuff \) wondering keep restrictions price software considered 600 include 4 digit prices also \? take care filip 'll buy vowel gieszczykiewicz best e mail fmgst pitt edu ideas mine 0 99 respond ! ! ! ! live ee major , , programming , sca , assorted dreams 200mb drive linux 100mb ms dos 100mb ms dos worried \)
nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) subject yamaha vs honda opinions nntp posting host 145 4 54 110 reply nuet ke pts mot com organization paging wireless data group lines 8 hte market new bike \( without years \) two main bikes i'm looking seriously yamaha virago 535 honda shadow 583 leaning towards yamaha shaft drive , honda chain insurance fla costly thought , staying power range thanks advance opinions experiences
cray com \( charles betz cf eng \) subject nhl team milwaukee lines 24 nntp posting host cray com organization cray research , inc reading reports possible nhl moves milwaukee milwaukee nhl team , thought 'd pass along story heard recently second hand , n't know true , reason doubt either bradley center milwaukee home milwaukee admirals minor hockey team owner admirals \( sorry , ca n't remember name \) either owns least shelled majority funds build bradley center supposedly approached nhl expansion franchise , turned thought franchise fee 50 million high like said , n't know whether story true rumor , 's true , n't look nhl team milwaukee anytime soon admirals n't going forced building wo n't see nhl club minor league club building , especially since nba 's milwaukee bucks play well charlie betz cray research , inc falls , wi romulus cray com
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization university virginia lines 17 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes yet , law proposed virginia extended philosophy cigarette smokers \( people smoked away work could n't discriminated employers \) , liberal gov wilder vetoed shows liberals n't give damn best person job , 's power play course clayton ignores fact employers pay health insurance , insurance smokers expensive non smokers greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
philip charon cto citicorp com \( philip \) subject clipper stuff organization citicorp lines 15 nntp posting host charon cto citicorp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 yet , description general principles behind clipper proposal example , public key system private key system \? latter , n't see system could work \( given keys tied device person \) , escrowed 80 bit keys split two 40 bit chunks would guess availability one 40 bit chunks reasonable key search machine , would allow read traffic i'm suggesting deliberate weakness system , make think course , easily fixable giving two 80 bit chunks could x generate real 80 bit key philip
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( phillip michael williams \) subject x windows windows organization lehigh university lines 7 x window servers run ms windows \? \? know seen action others \? \? thanks advance phil lehigh edu
scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) subject bike sale , usa keywords wicked sexist nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) organization columbia university lines 18 article 1993apr19 102 zorro tyngsboro us jd zorro tyngsboro us \( jeff derienzo \) writes 've recently become father twins ! n't think afford keep 2 bikes 2 babies babies staying , 1 harleys going 1988 883 4000 mi \( hey , wife 's bike \) well pretty uncalled \( smile \) harley feeling challenged \? jeff derienzo wanna sit buy drink someday temple dog sea bass sears scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu dod 516 stanley , id '79 yamaha xs750f '77 bmw r100s '85 toyota 4runner nyc , ny
rebecca rpi edu \( ezra b hall \) subject test instruments sale keywords test , instruments , meter , power , supply , oscilloscope , storage display article rpi lines 24 nntp posting host rebecca rpi edu following longer sale , sold type 611 storage display \( screen dim 6 5 x8 5 \) base three pulse generators adj dc power supply 0 0 1 5 amps keithley instruments \( 3 \) 3 1 2 digit mount still sale , hewlett packard oscilloscope four channel 50 mhz vertical amplifier time base delay generator best offer 300 \( 1 \) 4 1 2 digit mount voltmeter , powered 5 vdc , model , dimensions , 55 shipping reasonable offers accepted please respond e mail phone e mail rpi edu phone \( 518 \) 276
mhollowa ic sunysb edu \( michael holloway \) subject transplant recipients newsletter , april newsletter , april nntp posting host engws5 ic sunysb edu organization state university new york stony brook lines 180 first monthly postings newsletter long island chapter transplant recipients international organization \( trio \) unfortunately , unable post date month 's meeting i'm posting anyway , posting world wide instead regional , hopes information may useful also , hope used example inspiration posting newsletters data related organ transplantation donation mike transplant recipients international organization long island chapter p box 922 huntington , ny newsletter 516 421 april 1993 volume iv 8 next meeting next meeting wednesday april 14 8 pm knights columbus manor , 517 uniondale avenue uniondale guest speaker dr lewis teperman dr teperman trained pittsburgh dr starzl assistant director liver transplant program new york university medical center dr teperman discuss current trends transplantation treatment answer questions long time friend trio , surgeon many members , always gracious delightful guest sure informative , interesting engaging evening hospitality committee , jim spence well prepared , last weather cooperative hope see large gathering welcome dr teperman wednesday april 14 k c uniondale last meeting noted long island chapter trio extraordinary power predicting bad weather , able forecast rain , snow fully month advance tv match us time scored , also able disable long island railroad , making travel really difficult none less , many snow interesting meeting good conversation scheduled speaker , mrs elizabeth , professional nutritionist , family emergency able attend hope us fall discuss diet medications however , ms jennifer friedman , image consultant sister liver transplant recipient kind enough step short notice ms friedman gave us lot good advice choosing clothes makeup , \( even bit men \) help us look well healthy minimize cosmetic effects medicine drugs take grateful jennifer thank entertaining evening annual meeting addition welcoming dr teperman , april meeting also annual meeting chapter official notice meeting required laws main purpose meeting review past year , solicit member views ideas better ways meet needs , elect members board directors coming two year term committee prepared following slate board anne \( liver recipient \) robert \( heart recipient \) smith \( kidney recipient \) kay \( liver recipient \) jan \( kidney recipient \) larry \( kidney recipient \) david \( director public education \) remaining board another year robert carroll \( liver , kidney pancreas recipient \) jerry \( kidney recipient \) jeanne ron \( kidney donor \) marie healy peter smith \( bone marrow recipient \) patricia ann \( kidney pancreas recipient \) walter \( kidney recipient \) may seem big board , many hands make light work various medical uncertainties , good backups jobs board therefore , addition slate presented voting , nominations also accepted floor set number board members plenty work addition , brief treasurer 's membership reports given floor open new business , suggestions , comments anyone would like bring keep formal meeting short spend majority time dr teperman future meetings remember scheduled guests rest year may 12 dr peter , chief psychiatry columbia presbyterian medical center june 9 dr felix , director stony brook kidney transplant program plan us second wednesday month week april 18 24 national organ tissue donor awareness week planning news releases , speaking meetings , decided softball game two year 's experience miserable weather help spread word donor awareness , however found effective ask pastor , rabbi publish letter announcement parish bulletin , allow address congregation , include mention gift life sermon attached newsletter sample letter fact sheet use thank dr starzl honored long island chapter american liver foundation hold annual auction dinner dance may 7th jericho turnpike jericho dr thomas starzl honored guest tickets 50 person going fast 'd like meet dr starzl , call anne \( 516 \) 421 details membership news congratulations al reese al received heart transplant pittsburgh waiting 3 1 2 years home well 12 days hospital arthur michaels , liver recipient , planning run boston marathon april fantastic proof transplantation works ! hope national press notices bob , persistent bout infection , kidney removed home , back dialysis feeling better healy , kidney recipient daughter ron marie , spent past several weeks hospital miami problems encountered vacation marie florida back new york 's treatment continue wish speedy recovery kay , liver recipient , bad fall resulted broken arm broken leg kay candidate board need well soon best wishes coming flu tough winter many , snow see wednesday april 14 8 pm k c uniondale dr lewis teperman
jchen wind bellcore com \( jason chen \) subject ad said nissan altima best seller \? reply jchen ctt bellcore com organization bell communications research lines 1 nntp posting host wind bellcore com guess makes altima generic car us
alizard tweekco uucp \( lizard \) subject oto , ancient order oriental templars organization com systems bbs , , ca \( 510 \) 631 lines 18 thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) writes organization known present time ancient order oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise hermetic brotherhood light organization official e mail address days \? \( address sf bay area lodges , e g would \) 93 lizard lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco boo pacbell com \( preferred \) pacbell com ! boo ! tweekco ! alizard \( bang path \) alizard com \( backup \) pgp2 2 public key available request
henrik quayle kpc com subject armenia says could shoot turkish planes organization none lines 49 article 1993apr20 25123 ee rochester edu , terziogl ee rochester edu \( esin terzioglu \) writes article 1993apr19 155856 8260 kpc com henrik quayle kpc com writes article 1993apr17 185118 10792 ee rochester edu , terziogl ee rochester edu \( esin terzioglu \) writes article 1993apr16 195452 urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) writes 04 16 93 1045 armenia says could shoot turkish planes let translate everyone else public traslation service gets armenia getting itchy esin henrik let clearify mr turkish henrik armenia getting itchy simply letting world henrik know longer sit quiet let turks get henrik away famous tricks armenians remember turkish henrik invasion greek island cypress world simply watched esin terzioglu ignorance obvious posting esin terzioglu 1 \) cyprus independent country turkish greek inhabitants \( greek island like ignorant posting claims \) esin terzioglu 2 \) name cyprus \( english \) esin terzioglu next time read learn post aside spelling , turks want admit past mistakes \? know turkish invasion cyprus mistake bad u n anything may ask mistake \? yes , would say greeks invade cyprus \? response shooting turkish airplane armenian air space ignorant posting person country turks azeris consistantly want drag armenia karabakh conflict azerbaijan karabakhi armenians lived homeland 3000 years \( cut armenia given azeris stalin \) ones directly involved conflict defending azeri aggression agression mercy inocent people shelled mig 23 's russian aircraft last , hope u insists turkey stay karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion never occur
cleveland freenet edu \( david \) subject large color monitors article usenet md8 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 11 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu anyone information advice large color monitors \( 17 21 \) use 486 system running x server software \? looking quality information price , information welcomed thanks , david 's ball bearings !
desperate fan subject help ! wc coverage europe originator messi uku fi organization university kuopio , finland lines 6 desperate fan ps sweden vs finland finished 6 6 gothenburg 15th apr
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject question 1024 x 768 quadra 800 reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 15 bach udel edu \( roy \) writes article 1993apr5 apple com dale adams gateway qm apple com \( dale adams \) writes anyone information 1024 x 768 resolution q800 using video \? even possible \? 's certainly possible possible use resolution apple 16 monitor \? , could probably rig connector proper pins nope apple 16 monitor support multiple resolutions multi monitor hades
jmcocker eos ncsu edu \( mitch \) subject help need addresses originator jmcocker 100lez eos ncsu edu reply jmcocker eos ncsu edu \( mitch \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 21 hi , i'm trying get mailing addresses following companies specifically , need addresses personnel offices like bureau companies orbital sciences corp \( sp \? \) spacehab , inc \( know one somewhere seattle , wa , least part \) space industries , inc \( somewhere houston \) space enterprises inc anybody could point right direction , would appreciative prefer email response , post summary sufficient interest exists thanks , mitch jmcocker eos ncsu edu
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 15 article 1993apr21 812 spdcc com dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) writes responds well , 're otherwise noring 's anal retentive fungal infection sinuses even category , walking convinced candida reading quack book speaking , anyone else impressed much descriptions published century ago sound like cfs \? gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
rz uni karlsruhe de \( thomas \) subject white house public encryption management fact sheet organization university karlsruhe , germany lines 26 distribution na nntp posting host rz uni karlsruhe de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit clipper csrc ncsl nist gov \( clipper chip announcement \) writes president approved directive public encryption management directive provides following exported abroad , used thwart foreign intelligence activities critical national interests attorney general united states , representative , shall request manufacturers communications hardware incorporates encryption install u government developed key escrow microcircuits products quite interesting us administration intend persuade non us governments let nsa eavesdrop \? u companies install chips communication systems sold abroad without customer 's consent , \? thomas , rz uni karlsruhe de , bitnet joy engineering find straight line double logarithmic diagram
duvvuri cs odu edu \( v prakash \) subject pointer xlib nntp posting host cs odu edu organization old dominion university , norfolk , va lines 26 hi trying implement pointer feature xlib multiple windows take input show output simultaneously displays want implement pointer feature would like get pointer come windows choose pointer menu every one able see give hints proceed new xlib replies greatly appreciated thank prakash duvvuri cs odu edu
arie eecs umich edu \( arie \) subject hp deskwriter opinions \? feedback ! reply phil csc liv ac uk 's message 14 apr 93 14 22 39 gmt reply arie eecs umich edu organization ai lab , university michigan compsci liverpool ac uk lines 16 like lot worth additional expense problem found ms word \( 5 1a \) table longer page cells visible border , last \( bottom page \) line first page missing makes difference table formatted worst n't show word 's page view page preview arie arie university michigan ai lab phone \( 313 \) 994 room 149 , advanced technology bldg internet arie eecs umich edu 1101 beal ave , ann arbor , mi 48109
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject iapetus saturn eclipse organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 79 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 forwarded john spencer \( spencer lowell edu \) two iapetus saturn rings , may july please spread word ! 's information events , couple messages jay jpl appealing thermal observations eclipse learn thermal properties iapetus might also money available john spencer , 1993 04 21 iapetus shadows saturn 's rings saturn 1993 05 01 02 \( 18 27 13 43 ut \) 1993 07 20 21 , \( 21 16 09 38 ut \) timing follows 1993 may 1 2 ring ingress 18 27 egress 19 30 b ring ingress 19 51 egress 21 42 c ring egress 23 00 saturn ingress 23 59 egress 10 02 b ring ingress 10 28 egress 12 19 ring ingress 12 40 egress 13 43 1993 july 20 21 saturn ingress 21 16 egress 05 08 ring ingress 05 13 \( grazing \) egress 09 38 times could 30 minutes later according alternate ephemeris , observations important orbit sun 's size projected rings seen iapetus 3100 km 's unlikely learn anything new rings observations see \( 1992 \) , astronomy astrophysics 265 , details thanks andy odell northern arizona university bringing events attention thermal observations \? jay \( jpl nasa gov \) writes , interesting thing would thermal ir 20 july disappearance shadow planet measure thermal inertia , etc unfortunately , 21 30 ut event renders inaccessible , except russia even alto , saturn rising 3 23 00 ut know anyone russia ukraine big telescope 10 um instrumentation 's looking something \? 'd willing make personal grant 100 data jay please try encourage anyone observe iapetus planet disappearance thermal wavelengths impression would 's easy observation iapetus faint getting eclipse , 'll need big telescope 's good ir telescope reasonable 10 20 um instrumentation n't think combination widely available well placed observation need one one possibility would ir telescope india , 's 1 2 jay ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
gw wmich edu subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization western michigan university lines 33 article annick cortex physiol su oz au , annick cortex physiol su oz au \( annick \) writes sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org \( steve giammarco \) writes add fuel flame war , read 20 years ago natural msg extracted sources mention cause reported 's nasty artificial msg extracted coal tar whatever causes chinese restaurant syndrome find pretty hard believe anyone else heard \? msg mono sodium glutamate , fairly straight forward compound pure , source problem comment suggests impurities may cause experience msg effects \( part double blind study \) pure stuff caused rather severe effects \( possibly incorrect \) assumption msg foods made processing sugar true \? sources msg \? bean , fermented , mushrooms contain msg one react , sometimes strongly , msg however , also react strongly sodium chloride \( table salt \) excess causes different symptoms except common one rapid heartbeat uncomfortable feeling pressure chest , upper left quadrant symptoms numbness jaw muscles first instance followed arms legs , headache , lethargy unable keep awake think may well affect people differently well , think msg made kind plant call staff
tclark weeg uiowa edu \( terry clark \) subject cache micronics eisa vlb motherboard \? organization university iowa , iowa city , ia , usa lines 38 article 1993apr15 news cs indiana edu , mohammad al ansari ucs indiana edu \( clip \) process purchasing eisa vl bus 486 dx2 66 computer \( clip \) first ares use cache motherboard \( 's brand motherboard \) opti chip set , micron \( formerly edge technology \) use micronics eisa vlb motherboard \( clip \) would really appreciate input micron machine clear choice \? anyone know anything positive negative either company \? anyone ever heard cache motherboards \? go micron micronics motherboard \? etc thanks much advance information mohammad al ansari get back vendors , better yet board manufactures get info made norton indexes \( yeah know bms suck whats mother \? \) number slots , types , 32 bit \? ide scsi board \? easy upgrade ram , location pins overdrive \? oscilator kits \? 16550 uart \? 's bios \? might make feel better either system , must agree ares 7 days 24 hr tech 2 year warranty encouraging terry clark tclark uiowa edu want opinion n't pay enough opinion
gel ulaval ca \( eric \) subject stylewriter ii question nntp posting host gel ulaval ca organization universite lines 3 read article swii one thing puzzles article says swii serial device mean 'll unplug modem time want print something \? \? \?
jmc sail stanford edu \( john mccarthy \) subject new environmental group launches reply nyx cs du edu 's message sun , 4 apr 93 23 02 33 gmt reply jmc cs stanford edu organization computer science department , stanford university lines 17 teddy o'neill creature hobbit feet bath uk , fool , posts force world wide youth movement , ought possible establish coordinated global program accomplish strategic goal completely eliminating internal combustion engine , say , twenty year period evidently open questions , either scientific people prefer live john mccarthy , computer science department , stanford , ca 94305 refuses arithmetic doomed talk nonsense
mike uucp \( mike whitman \) subject womens bike sale organization pyramid technology , government systems lines 29 following bike sale type dave scott centurion 1989 model size 47 cm c c 105 cranks 165 cm 105 clips straps frame ii double steel gearing front 52 42 rear 24 22 19 17 15 13 seat terry womens gel seat computer 30 extras double water bottle cages extra rear tire 24 front rear setup wife asking 350 obo let know interested address thanks , mike michael c whitman national system engineer telecom pyramid technology corporation 1921 road , suite 250 vienna , va phone \( 703 \) 848 2050 pager \( 800 \) sky page pin mike va pyramid com uunet ! ! mike
schultz schultz kgn ibm com \( karl schultz \) subject vesa standard vga svga programming \? \? \? reply schultz vnet ibm com organization ibm aws graphics systems keywords vga lines 45 1 vesa standard works \? documentation vesa standard \? vesa standard requested vesa vesa 2150 north first street , suite 440 san jose , ca 95131 ask vesa super vga programming vesa also defines local bus standards vesa standard addresses ways application find info capabilities specific super vga implementation control video mode selection video memory access still set pixels 2 higher resolution 320x200x256 640x480x16 vga mode , video memory longer sufficient hold info , trick fast image manipulation \? heard memory mapping video memory bank switching know nothing implemented advice , anyone \? vesa defines window used access video memory window anchored spot want write , write far window takes \( usually 64k \) windows , ca n't anchor anywhere also , implementations allow two windows 3 interest 640x480x256 mode mode called svga mode \? technique fast image scrolling mode \? deal different svga cards \? vesa mode set display start function might useful scrolling guidance books sources questions would greatly appreciated please send mail best bet write vesa info also announcements group vesa software karl schultz schultz vnet ibm com statements opinions necessarily ibm
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject bikes vs horses \( insect impacts f nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 21 article txd able mkt 3com com txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) writes previous article , egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) says lots things , none quoted article usenet ins cwru edu , ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) writes think average dirt biker jump 3 foot log \? 18 log suspended 18 ground \? matter , 4 log suspended 2 5' ground \? oh , ye little imagination n't jump 's lay bike slide ! jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
mikec sail labs tek com \( micheal cranford \) subject disney animation organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 5 anyone tell anything disney animation software package \? note followup line \( colleague \)
anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) subject us consider yigal arens dangerous humanity nntp posting host gs135 sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 30 article 4815 bimacs bitnet ehrlich bimacs bitnet \( gideon ehrlich \) writes readers forum seemed interested contents files nice yigal tell us 1 american authorities consider yigal arens dangerous \? adl authorities seem view lot people dangerous , including millions americans arab ancestry perhaps answer question adl maintained files spied adc members california \( elsewhere \? \? \) \? friendly rivalry perhaps \? perhaps yigal greenpeace member \? naacp \? reporter \? member dozens political organizations ethnic minorities adl spied 2 adl interest person \? paranoia \? 3 one trust either us government adl additional information send \? names half posters forum , unless already gideon ehrlich anwar
ucsee berkeley edu \( edward wang \) subject widget source code needed organization university california , berkeley lines 10 nntp posting host ucsee berkeley edu i'm considering writing widgets , like sample widget source code look first could find something like \? archives accessible anonymous ftp contain information \? thanks , edward
subject islamic authority women kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) organization case western reserve university nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu lines 29 article 1993apr6 dcs warwick ac uk simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) writes guy said 's arrived , asked whether bobby 's real , welcome alt atheism , rest assured gets worse pearls wisdom bobby reproduce anyone \( keith \? \) keeping big file stuff \? sorry , , somehow misplaced diskette last couple months however , thanks efforts bobby , rather quickly ! recent favorite satan angels freewill god tells n mozumder \( snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \) satan angels freewill god tells n mozumder \( snm6394 ultb isc rit edu \)
crux3 cit cornell edu \( r craig stevenson \) subject w4w printing envelops \( 500c ! \) nntp posting host crux3 cit cornell edu organization cornell university lines 19 've got printing envelops deskjet word windows history deskjet 500 , modify macro would disable reverse printing since seemed bug printing envelops bug still present , however problem deskjet 550 print driver \( came printer bought december \) still wants print envelops portrait mode however , deskjet 550 feeds envelops narrow end \( e landscape mode \) get printer print envelops correct orientation \? please please please post net since \( \) due end semester , ca n't keep groups , \( b \) summarize best answer \( \) net anyhow ! thanks advance , craig stevenson
azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) subject living organization university college wales , aberystwyth lines 15 nntp posting host 144 124 112 30 article 05apr93 0049 unbvm1 csd unb ca c70a unb ca \( c70a000 \) writes article 1993apr2 eos arc nasa gov phil eos arc nasa gov \( phil stone \) writes thanks compliments , allan , think point n't say n't take chances sheesh , getting bed morning risky ankle damn right late climbing meet one morning , got bed without bothering right foot still asleep reminded folding underneath crunching lucky brake 's right , got funny looks riding thru london one leg held \( climbing problem best world tight climbing shoe \)
ra csc ti com \( doug page \) subject sr 71 propoganda films \? nntp posting host ra organization texas instruments distribution sci lines 28 article 1993apr5 sequent com , bigfoot sequent com \( gregory smith \) writes mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes sr 71 stopped real secret mid 70 's friend high school poster 's picture known well built model sometime mid 60 's , yf 12a sr 71 model based yf 12a specs big radar nose 8 closed bays underside fuselage description , even , read speeds excess mach 3 altitudes exceeding 80 , 000 feet l b j publically announced existance program 1964 's also one sr 71 rs 71 lbj \( sic \) fwiw , doug page opinions mine \( maybe \) , n't necessarily represent employer
dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) subject problems nutrasweet \( aspartame \) organization p dyer computer consulting , cambridge lines 30 article 1993apr17 uvm edu hbloom moose uvm edu \( heather \) writes nutrasweet synthetic sweetener couple thousand times sweeter sugar people concerned chemicals body produces degrades nutrasweet thought form formaldehyde known methanol degredation pathway body uses eliminate substances real issue whether levels methanol formaldehyde produced high enough cause significant damage , toxic living cells say consume aspartame methyl , product going methanol , formaldehyde amounts methanol formed ingestion aspartame containing foods completely metabolic noise , since 're forming equally minute amounts methanol components food time studies involving administration high doses additive , blood methanol levels undetectable methanol poison quantities seen human , say consequence formaldehyde acid , two quite reactive compounds high enough levels damage tissues like retina kidney , high doses body 's system overwhelmed interestingly , one treatment early methanol poisoning get person drunk ethyl alcohol vodka equivalent 's ethanol preferentially methanol enzymes liver methanol stays methanol n't formaldehyde , actually relatively non toxic steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! dyer
lmcdapi noah ericsson se \( daniel \) subject nhl team captains reply lmcdapi noah ericsson se organization ericsson communication inc lines 31 nntp posting host bison lmc ericsson se x disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson article andrew cmu edu , am2x andrew cmu edu \( anna matyas \) writes michael collingridge writes , subject , captain ever traded , resigned , striped title season \? team captain trivia would appreciated n't ron francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh \? mom chris chelios montreal 's co captain guy carbonneau traded chicago denis savard , peter stastny captain quebec nordiques traded new jersey also mark messier captain edmonton oilers traded new york dale hawerchuk winnipeg traded buffalo , captain \? think forget wayne \( know \) traded l captain n't strip wendel clark toronto \? updates thoughts cheer daniel \( lmc u det design \) ericsson communications inc blvd , floor town mont royal , quebec \( 514 \) 738 ext 2178 e mail lmcdapi lmc ericsson se lmc lmcdapi cheers
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject food related seizures \? organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 6 remember hearing years back new therapy involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring flavoring diet theory backed interesting anecdotal results certain people way sensitive chemicals people n't remember connection made seizures , certainly could n't hurt try natural diet
gharriso hpcc01 corp hp com \( graeme harrison \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization hp corporate notes server lines 30 several years ago , driving cage , dog quiet intersection right front enough distance us n't slow however , 2nd dog suddenly appeared collided right front bumper force impact enough kill scottish apparently , following 1st dog henceforth , dog decides cross street , keep eye 2nd dog many dogs like travel pairs packs 've yet experience dog chasing black pretty loud oem horn \( good , good enuff \) bike large heavy enough run right one smaller larger ones would trouble getting leg saddlebags engine guards 'd def feel vulnerable '68 trump 'd easier leg chewing target 's persistent dog running bikers despite complaints owner would n't adverse running truck dogs life n't worth much imho compared child riding bike gets knocked ground said dog dies head injury dog neighborhood 's vicious public menace running unleashed fair game road kill candidate graeme harrison \( gharriso hpcc01 corp hp com \) dod 649
heathman ncsa uiuc edu \( michael heathman \) subject dogs originator heathman ncsa uiuc edu organization nat'l ctr app \( ncsa \) university illinois lines 31 article 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages regards , charles dod0 001 rz350 professionals train guard dogs , polled , gave 1 4 chance survival tackling trained dog unarmed trained guard dog untrained may another story obmoto local dog used chase time really annoying finally started stopping every time 'd chase n't know would usually road couple weeks stopped chasing altogether would still chase cars bikes , though think recognized went \) mike heathman rose dod lilly research titan \( awaiting resurrection \) indianapolis , go , 've gone far \?
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject give 1 billion first year long moon residents \? organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 17 gene wright \( gene theporch raider net \) wrote announce reward 1 billion would go first corporation successfully keeps least 1 person alive moon year 'd see inexpensive popular technologies begin developed 'd different kind space race ! i'm advocate idea funding space station work , throw around 1 billion figure reward suggest increase lunar reward 3 billion would encourage private industry invest space , one nasa 's primary goals ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 better faster cheaper daniel goldin , nasa administrator
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck petch \) subject anybody \? organization grass valley group , grass valley , ca lines 30 seldom see posts group anyone christendom listening \? , n't get dialog going \? 's topic get things started daughter 's christian school sends home weekly update school related topics week sent something interesting article written leader national \( us \) christian school organization trip recently made jerusalem , introduced one rabbis working project rebuild temple jerusalem article included photos many furnishings already made preparation rebuilt temple according specifications given bible even striking fact plans temple complete group awaiting permission israeli government beginning building startling fact recent discovery original site temple available building previously thought original site underneath mosque , making rebuilding impossible without holy war appears nothing stands way rebuilding resuming sacrifices , scriptures indicate happen last days although israeli government give permission start , think hand god holding project ready let happen brothers sisters , time hand redemption drawing near look ! postings range 30 50 per day , except weekends people n't seeing , 've got propagation problems clh
james j murawski jjm andrew cmu edu subject cherry coach 's corner summary april 19 , 1993 organization administrative computing info services , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply allan swanlake 20 apr 93 cherry coach 's corner user allan sullivan cs writes next , clip shown earlier episode , proclaiming doug gilmour best player , nhl , world players like lemieux \? said gilmour best player , designated point getter like baseball , hitter score runs ca n't play defense gilmour good two way player clip shown local news pittsburgh last night \( kdka \) , complete animated sarcasm sportscaster 's second time cherry shown local pittsburgh news last couple weeks times blasting lemieux jim murawski sr software engineer \( 412 \) 268 office administrative computing \( 412 \) 268 fax information services jjm andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university office ucc 155 forbes avenue pittsburgh , pa 15213 3890 le mieux ! le ! six ! claude non ! 1371 days clinton \( \) leaves office \( 1370 many \)
hhm cbnewsd cb att com \( herschel h mayo \) subject braindead drivers n't look ahead organization chicago home morally challenged distribution usa keywords bad drivers lines 29 article zdem0a hgo7 , zdem0a hgo7 hou amoco com \( donna martz \) writes , block would passers good , well even though often stupid realize ! ! ! ! ! ! rule philosophy , n't feel particularly sorry somebody gets offed stupidity , worry idiot position cash chips , h h mayo well , n't mr altruism ! ! world needs , another frustrated self appointed traffic cop well , want stick nose car ass 50 foot semi , suppose 's neck , however , i'm going let kill bargain get frustrated somebody delaying inevitable death due less wise driving practices , tough ! ! ! thank god fourth july , yearly earth considerable load fools mark twain
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject go hezbollah ! organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 57 article apr15 175334 72079 yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes post deleted come accept deal , lebanese resistance hand going stop attacks occupying israeli soldiers withdraw , real leverage force israel withdraw tell , young men also attack syrian troops \? blood soldiers israel interested peace , withdraw land must guarantee peace happens seems many lebanese youth unable restrain violence , unable realize actions prolong israels stay south lebanon lebanese army able maintain peace , israel would , israel prefers soldiers die rather children israel really wants save israeli lives would withdraw unilaterally called security zone conclusion peace talks move would save israeli lives , advance peace efforts , give israel great moral lift , better israel 's public image abroad give edge peace negociations since israel rightly claim genuinely interested peace already offered important concessions israel withdraw lebanon peace treaty signed day withdraw casualties would tell lebanese people need push israel around kill soldiers gonna happen along withdrawal israel could demand hizbollah disarmed lebanese government warn accept attacks northern cities shelling occurs consider taking buffer zone hold lebanese syrian government responsible israel demand holding buffer zone \? seems better bargaining position holding neighbors land lebanon willing agree conditions , israel would quite probably left already unfortunately , n't seem lebanese disarm , maintain peace adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) subject x toolkits organization university waterloo lines 29 considering making reasonably large application free distribution \( probably \) going use x i'm bewildered huge number standards open systems created 've lived fairly sheltered environment tools produced athena widget set , x intrinsics xw \( \? \? \) humble opinion , look like crap n't know , however , characteristic , poor taste programmers would like app look little like mwm understand , however , mwm n't free like getting linux , interviews , n't know look get impression andrew fsf , n't know looks like either help explain toolkit mess , would much obliged free \? best \? portable \? looks nice \? resource hog \? also , happen know available linux sun , would big help thanks advance
rps arbortext com \( ralph seguin \) subject numlock masking \? interference meta compose , organization internet lines 17 xpert expo lcs mit edu question means determining state capslock numlock \? alright ignore bit deeper \( \) found looking ev state bunch masks check \( one capslock \) unfortunately , appears numlock mask varies server server one tell mask numlock meta \( , , , , \) eg , sgi 's vendor server numlock , whereas solaris 1 0 1 openwindows 3 0 numlock unambiguous means determining numlock 's mask runtime given server \? sorry wasted bandwidth appalling ignorance thanks , ralph
masc0442 ucsnews sdsu edu \( todd greene \) subject find appcontext \? organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 14 nntp posting host ucssun1 sdsu edu keywords context , xt , motif , application x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 xt call give application context \? fixing x motif program , trying use xtappaddtimeout , whose first argument app context call use give value \? thanks , todd greene masc0442 ucssun1 sdsu edu
physics adelaide edu au \( charles \) subject thoughts organization university adelaide lines 123 distribution world nntp posting host adelphi itd adelaide edu au keywords dan bissell bissda saturn wwc edu \( dan lawrence bissell \) writes first want start right say i'm christian makes sense one read tony campollo 's book liar , lunatic , real thing \? \( might little title , writes book anyway part effort destroy christianity , process became christian assume posting encourage comments much history tony read \? much seems arguements uses summing book whether jesus god know many n't believe , listen different perspective something gain listening others say good hear reasonable christians christian scientists would take note \( australia strong movement , bunch christian scientists believe every single event bible exactly true , rational explanation justified using laws physics example , chaps trying prove age universe 6000 years old , error conventional calculations result fact speed light rapidly years , accounted \) book says jesus either liar , crazy \( modern day koresh \) actually said \( course \) , never existed , bible story , never intended become billion people tony follow one \? reasons would n't liar follows would die lie \? would n't people able tell liar \? people gathered around kept , many gathered hearing seeing someone healed millions people died lie point difficult substantiate since well defined \( great many religious arguments work way \) , consider many warriors sacrificed gods belief act would bring victory spanish invaders list endless lost , btw call fool , believe heal people perfectly reasonable , grounds \( anyone \) become christian point , add weight claim jesus real thing niether lunatic would entire nation drawn someone crazy doubtful , fact rediculous example anyone drawn david koresh obviously fool , logical people see right away ever seen documentary rise nazi germany \? point , tony mention \? one could hardly call werner heisenberg many colleagues fools , illogical men , support hitler based \( presume \) upon emotional issue rather rational agreement principles obviously argument invalid tony thought hitler sane therefore since n't liar lunatic , must real thing hmmm n't think arguments warrant use therefore things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms , isaiah elsewhere 24 hrs alone betrayal crucifixion n't bible moment , next time write use \( unfortunately \) alot religious discussions people result quoting bible reasonable way think people look bible treat stories sort metaphorical representation messages authors trying present someone tries interpret parts bible literally , end sorts shit tony 's argument would perfectly reasonable people believe events described bible took place , convince someone , thinks bible total fiction , jesus real quoting book totally pointless example , mathematics cannot say equal b equal b n't think people understand christian would possibly explain many people killed religious wars , hundreds different versions claiming correct certainly see lot churches rather think way life , total sacrafice everything god 's sake loved us enough die save us hey ca n't , god inspires us turn lives 's tuff people n't want , real christian would something strong persevere like weight lifting guitar playing , drums , whatever takes time n't rush one day , christianity whole life going church week , helping poor people box everything time units work time , sports , tv , social life god boxes carried us boxes created think posted part alt religion would get flames \) never really understood emotional sentiments stranger interest people someone famous said two evils life , , one rules fear living , fear dead pressed could probably find exact quotation cheers , charles
gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg de \( gene w smith \) subject mr cramer 's organization iwr , university heidelberg , germany lines 17 article netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes naw , think organizations may , paper , support abolition age consent , resemblance stops one supports removal coercive law , paper facade legitimize sexual relations children get one organization wants abolish age consent laws , whereas contrast wants abolish age consent laws makes respectable belong one organization , gene ward smith brahms gang iwr university gsmith iwr uni heidelberg de
chrisb seachg com \( chris blask \) subject silly question x tianity reply chrisb seachg com \( chris blask \) organization sea change corporation , mississauga , ontario , canada lines 44 cco caltech edu \( andrew tong \) writes mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes question 2 attitude god character seems awfully proud christianity tells people humble 's deal \? well , god pretty much right proud mean , created , n't right proud job \? course , people n't much right proud accomplished match god 's accomplishments , anyways \? abilities compare god 's 're worm earth , quote pascal god , created universe , would n't little self organizing cell tiny planet started thinking great awesome \? unfortunately logic falls apart quick perfect insulted threatened actions lesser creature actually offspring \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? powerful perfect feel either proud offended \? anything capable aware relationship every aspect every particle universe every moment time simultaneously able understand cause every action every planet well , actually , think , seems kinda odd god would care earth ok , bad example amazing fact care , apparently , willing make grand sacrifices ensure happiness powerful , owner everything universe makes great sacrifices makes great headline n't make sense sacrifice \? go could n't get back \? gave something , 'd give \? chris guys fun , i'm key west ! !
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject tapped , code good organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 35 distribution world reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes wish could agree ask would private sector entity wish buy crypto system known least partially compromised \? \( \) use sensitive important traffic , \( b \) system cheap example , n't cordless phone clipper , would local men blue really want listen talk friends order pizza , i'm worse , n't worry local kids neighbors say , clipper raises bar insecure channels n't make secure , means , wall , even fbi get master key court order , still better keep grass sign answer seems obvious , would n't hardware compromised des example \( triple des better one \) , buy des encrypted cellular phone \? much cost \? personally , cylink stuff budget personal use \) reconcile administrations self proclaimed purpose providing law enforcement access encrypted data without making clipper system crypto available u \? second fourth amendments come mind amanda walker intercon systems corporation
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject alt atheism faq constructing logical argument summary includes list logical fallacies keywords faq , atheism , argument , fallacies , logic expires thu , 20 may 1993 10 52 14 gmt distribution world organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk supersedes mantis co uk lines 632 archive name atheism logic alt atheism archive name logic last modified 5 april 1993 version 1 4 constructing logical argument although much argument usenet , general quality argument found poor article attempts provide gentle introduction logic , hope improving general level debate logic science reasoning , proof , thinking , inference concise logic allows us analyze piece reasoning determine whether correct \( valid invalid \) course , one need study logic order reason correctly nevertheless , little basic knowledge logic often helpful constructing analyzing argument note claim made whether logic universally applicable matter much open debate document merely explains use logic , given already decided logic right tool job propositions \( statements \) building blocks logical argument proposition statement either true false example , raining today tuesday propositions may either asserted \( said true \) denied \( said false \) note technical meaning deny , everyday meaning proposition meaning statement , particular arrangement words used express god exists exists god express proposition argument , quote monty python sketch , connected series statements establish definite proposition argument consists three stages first , propositions necessary argument continue stated called premises argument evidence reasons accepting argument conclusions premises \( assertions \) often indicated phrases , since , obviously \( phrase obviously often viewed suspicion , used intimidate others accepting suspicious premises something n't seem obvious , n't afraid question always say oh , yes , 're right , obvious 've heard explanation \) next , premises used derive propositions process known inference inference , one proposition arrived basis one propositions already accepted various forms valid inference propositions arrived inference may used inference inference often denoted phrases implies therefore finally , arrive conclusion argument proposition affirmed basis premises inference conclusions often indicated phrases therefore , follows , conclude conclusion often stated final stage inference example every event cause \( premise \) universe beginning \( premise \) beginnings involve event \( premise \) implies beginning universe involved event \( inference \) therefore universe cause \( inference conclusion \) note conclusion one argument might premise another argument proposition called premise conclusion respect particular argument terms make sense isolation sometimes argument follow order given example , conclusions might stated first premises stated afterwards support conclusion perfectly valid , sometimes little confusing recognizing argument much harder recognizing premises conclusions many people shower writing assertions without ever producing anything one might reasonably describe argument statements look like arguments , example bible accurate , jesus must either insane , evil liar , son god argument , conditional statement assert premises necessary support appears conclusion \( also suffers number logical flaws , 'll come later \) another example god created therefore duty god phrase duty god proposition , since neither true false therefore conclusion , sentence argument finally , causality important consider statement form b 're interested establishing b offered evidence , statement argument 're trying establish truth b , argument , explanation example must something wrong engine car , start argument car start something wrong engine explanation two traditional types argument , deductive inductive deductive argument one provides conclusive proof conclusions , argument premises true , conclusion must also true deductive argument either valid invalid valid argument defined one premises true , conclusion true inductive argument one premises provide evidence truth conclusion inductive arguments valid invalid however , talk whether better worse arguments , probable premises forms argument ordinary language neither deductive inductive however , concentrate moment deductive arguments , often viewed rigorous convincing important note fact deductive argument valid imply conclusion holds slightly counter intuitive nature implication , must consider carefully obviously valid argument consist true propositions however , argument may entirely valid even contains false propositions example insects wings \( premise \) insects \( premise \) therefore wings \( conclusion \) , conclusion true argument 's premises false argument 's premises true , however , conclusion would true argument thus entirely valid subtly , reach true conclusion one false premises , fish live sea \( premise \) dolphins fish \( premise \) therefore dolphins live sea \( conclusion \) however , one thing cannot reach false conclusion valid inference true premises therefore draw truth table implication symbol denotes implication premise , b conclusion f represent true false respectively premise conclusion inference b b f f premises false inference f valid , conclusion true false f f premises true conclusion false , inference must invalid premises true inference valid , conclusion must true sound argument valid argument whose premises true sound argument therefore arrives true conclusion careful confuse valid arguments sound arguments delve structure logical arguments would require lengthy discussion linguistics philosophy simpler probably useful summarize major pitfalls avoided constructing argument pitfalls known fallacies everyday english term fallacy used refer mistaken beliefs well faulty reasoning leads beliefs fair enough , logic term generally used refer form technically incorrect argument , especially argument appears valid convincing purposes discussion , define fallacy logical argument appears correct , seen incorrect examined closely studying fallacies aim avoid misled following list fallacies intended exhaustive argumentum ad \( appeal force \) appeal force committed resorts force threat force order try push acceptance conclusion often used politicians , summarized might makes right force threatened need direct threat example thus ample proof truth bible refuse accept truth burn hell argumentum ad hominem argumentum ad hominem literally argument directed man abusive variety argumentum ad hominem occurs , instead trying disprove truth assertion , attacks person people making assertion invalid truth assertion depend upon goodness asserting example atheism evil philosophy practised communists murderers sometimes court law doubt cast upon testimony witness showing , example , known valid way reducing credibility testimony given witness , argumentum ad hominem however , demonstrate witness 's testimony false conclude otherwise fall victim argumentum ad \( see elsewhere list \) form argumentum ad hominem committed person argues opponent ought accept truth assertion opponent 's particular circumstances example perfectly acceptable kill animals food argue otherwise 're quite happy wear leather shoes \? abusive charge inconsistency , used excuse dismissing opponent 's argument fallacy also used means rejecting conclusion example course would argue positive discrimination bad thing 're white particular form argumentum ad hominem , one alleges one 's adversary rationalizing conclusion formed selfish interests , also known poisoning well argumentum ad argumentum ad means argument ignorance fallacy occurs whenever argued something must true simply proved false , , argued something must false proved true \( note assuming something false proved true , basic scientific principle \) examples course bible true nobody prove otherwise course telepathy psychic phenomena exist nobody shown proof real note fallacy apply court law , one generally assumed innocent proven guilty also , scientific investigation known event would produce certain evidence occurred , absence evidence validly used infer event occur example flood described bible would require enormous volume water present earth earth tenth much water , even count frozen ice poles therefore flood occurred science , validly assume lack evidence something occurred cannot conclude certainty occurred , however argumentum ad appeal pity , also known special pleading fallacy committed appeals pity sake getting conclusion accepted example murder mother father axe please n't find guilty i'm suffering enough argumentum ad known appealing gallery , appealing people commit fallacy attempt win acceptance assertion appealing large group people form fallacy often characterized language example pornography must banned violence women bible must true millions people know trying tell mistaken fools \? argumentum ad fallacy closely related argumentum ad consists asserting people support believe proposition , likely proposition correct argumentum ad appeal authority uses admiration famous try win support assertion example isaac newton genius believed god line argument always completely bogus example , reference admitted authority particular field may relevant discussion subject example , distinguish quite clearly stephen hawking concluded black holes give radiation john concluded impossible build intelligent computer hawking physicist , reasonably expect opinions black hole radiation informed linguist , questionable whether well qualified speak subject machine intelligence fallacy accident fallacy accident committed general rule applied particular case whose accidental circumstances mean rule inapplicable error made one goes general specific example christians generally dislike atheists christian , must dislike atheists fallacy often committed moralists try decide every moral legal question mechanically applying general rules converse accident hasty generalization fallacy reverse fallacy accident occurs one forms general rule examining specific cases representative possible cases example jim bakker christian therefore christians sweeping generalization sweeping generalization occurs general rule applied particular situation features particular situation render rule inapplicable sweeping generalization opposite hasty generalization non causa pro causa post hoc ergo propter hoc known false cause fallacies fallacy non causa pro causa occurs one identifies something cause event actually shown cause example took aspirin prayed god , headache disappeared god cured headache fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs something assumed cause event merely happened event example soviet union collapsed taking atheism therefore must avoid atheism reasons cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy similar post hoc ergo propter hoc asserts two events occur together , must related , leaves room factors may cause \( \) events fallacy occurs premises least questionable conclusion reached fallacy occurs one assumes premise conclusion one wishes reach often , proposition rephrased fallacy appears valid argument example homosexuals must allowed hold government office hence government official revealed homosexual lose job therefore homosexuals anything hide secret , open blackmail therefore homosexuals cannot allowed hold government office note argument entirely circular premise conclusion argument like actually cited reason british secret official ban homosexual employees another example classic know god exists bible tells us know bible true word god complex question fallacy interrogation fallacy one example classic loaded question stopped beating wife \? question presupposes definite answer another question even asked trick often used lawyers cross examination , ask questions like hide money stole \? similarly , politicians often ask loaded questions long ec interference affairs allowed continue \? chancellor plan two years privatization \? fallacy irrelevant conclusion consists claiming argument supports particular conclusion actually logically nothing conclusion example , christian may begin saying argue teachings christianity undoubtably true argues length christianity great help many people , matter well argues shown christian teachings true sadly , fallacious arguments often successful emotions cause others view supposed conclusion favourable light occurs key word used two different meanings argument example could affordable free software \? make sure remains free , users like , must place license make sure always freely redistributable occurs premises used argument ambiguous careless phrasing accent accent another form fallacy shifting meaning case , meaning changed altering parts statement emphasized example , consider speak ill friends speak ill friends fallacies composition one fallacy composition conclude property shared parts something must apply whole example bicycle made entirely low mass components , therefore lightweight fallacy composition conclude property number individual items shared collection items example car uses less petrol causes less pollution bus therefore cars less environmentally damaging buses fallacy division fallacy division opposite fallacy composition like opposite , exists two varieties first assume property thing must apply parts example studying rich college therefore must rich assume property collection items shared item example ants destroy tree therefore ant destroy tree slippery slope argument argument states one event occur , harmful events proof made harmful events caused first event example legalize marijuana , would legalize crack heroin 'll nation full drug addicts welfare therefore cannot legalize marijuana based b fallacies type fallacies fallacies occur one attempts argue things way similar without actually specifying way similar examples n't history based upon faith \? , n't bible also form history \? islam based faith , christianity based faith , n't islam form christianity \? cats form animal based carbon chemistry , dogs form animal based carbon chemistry , n't dogs form cat \? affirmation consequent fallacy argument form implies b , b true , therefore true understand fallacy , examine truth table implication given earlier denial fallacy argument form implies b , false , therefore b false , truth table implication makes clear fallacy note fallacy different non causa pro causa latter form implies b , false , therefore b false , fact imply b , problem implication invalid rather allow us deduce anything b converting conditional fallacy argument form b , therefore b argumentum ad fallacy asserting something right good simply old , 's way 's always argumentum ad opposite argumentum ad fallacy asserting something correct simply new newer something else argumentum ad fallacy believing money criterion correctness money likely right argumentum ad fallacy assuming someone poor sounder virtuous one fallacy opposite argumentum ad argumentum ad incorrect belief assertion likely true often heard argumentum ad nauseum one employs constant repetition asserting something also referred black white fallacy , occurs one presents situation two alternatives , fact alternatives exist exist many questions fallacy occurs demands simple answer complex question non sequitur non sequitur argument conclusion drawn premises logically connected red herring fallacy committed irrelevant material introduced issue discussed , everyone 's attention diverted away points made , towards different conclusion occurs abstract concept treated concrete thing shifting burden proof burden proof always person making assertion proposition shifting burden proof , special case argumentum ad , fallacy putting burden proof person denies questions assertion made source fallacy assumption something true unless proven otherwise straw man straw man fallacy misrepresent someone else 's position attacked easily , knock misrepresented position , conclude original position demolished fallacy fails deal actual arguments made extended analogy fallacy extended analogy often occurs suggested general rule argued fallacy assume mentioning two different situations , argument general rule , constitutes claim situations analogous fallacy best explained using real example debate anti cryptography legislation believe always wrong oppose law breaking position odious implies would supported martin luther king saying cryptography legislation important struggle black liberation \? dare ! tu famous fallacy occurs action argued acceptable party performed instance 're randomly abusive \? 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hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject deir yassin reply aurag ere umontreal ca 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 18 48 15 gmt organization dept computer science , brown university lines 44 article ere umontreal ca aurag ere umontreal ca \( aurag hassan \) writes trying say massacres deir yassin sabra shatila \? let tell good jokes thing like jewish killing wwii palestinians davidians years fact one killed war time place people die one gets killed maybe also n't die vietnam war killed american napalm 's maybe jews liked gas chambers one forced get may thought like cocaine \? think \? n't stupid say \? well stupid said next time want lie intelligently sincerely hassan arab civilians die dir yassin massacre first , village housed many armed troops secondly , irgun stern fighters absolutely intentions killing civilians village attacked military significance fact , warning given occupants village leave attack begin rational standards , dir yassin massacre killing unintentional village housed arab snipers arab troops thus attacked military significance attacked intentions killing civilians even compare dir yassin , 120 arabs died , holocaust absurd irgun want kill civilians village almost 1000 inhabitants , survived harry
gerard dps co uk \( gerard o'driscoll \) subject mix gl x \( xlib , xt , mwm \) organization internet lines 12 xpert expo lcs mit edu pyeatt texaco com writes widget already defined gl glxmdraw \( motif \) \( athena \) widget similar xmdrawingarea , except allows use gl calls render window look , , , man pages get hold widgets \? gerard o'driscoll \( gerard odriscoll dps co uk \) du pont pixel systems ltd
organization university maine system maine maine edu subject grateful dead \? lines 15 baseball fan fan mentioned band wondering anyone could clue whether dead \( members \) sang national anthem todays giant opener \? would imagine bit early anyone know , answer would greatly appreciated curious , robert robert umaine hockey 156 park st c5 black bears , 1993 ncaa champs \( 207 \) 866 42 1 2
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject clinton 's immunization program organization university tennessee division continuing education lines 29 article c5jobh 7zt apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes article 1993apr14 122758 11467 magnus acs ohio state edu jlinder magnus acs ohio state edu \( jeffrey linder \) writes article c5fjsl 6is ncratl atlantaga ncr com mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr c om \( mark wilson \) writes news last night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package seems one small item within package going pay free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country already free care go done problem cost , irresponible parents stupid lazy done case n't noticed , clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps 've read programs ran problems convincing parents get children immunized even delivered doorstep \( n't know , maybe sheet informed possible risks , side effects , bad reactions scares \) david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
organization stanford linear accelerator center slacvm slac stanford edu subject sphere 4 points \? distribution world lines 21 bolson carson u washington edu \( edward bolson \) given 4 points \( non coplanar \) , one find sphere , , radius , exactly fitting points \? equation sphere 4 points \( x1 , y1 , z1 \) , , \( x4 , y4 , z4 \) x 2 2 z 2 x1 2 y1 2 z1 2 x4 2 y4 2 z4 2 x x1 x4 y1 y4 0 z z1 z4 1 1 1 5 5 expanded first column get equation form \( x 2 2 z 2 \) bx cy dz e 0 need center radius , divide \( cannot zero 4 given points form non degenerate \) complete square x , , z obtain \( x xc \) 2 \( yc \) 2 \( z zc \) 2 r 2 slacvm slac stanford edu \( bob beach \)
troy cc bellcore com \( c akgun \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) nntp posting host troy cc bellcore com organization bcr , nj usa lines 126 article news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu \( \) writes concentration labor camp turkey \( around 1974 later \) cypriot greeks \( greeks \) rather talking nonsense like , glad read got position know kind concentration camps akgun \? living days age 20 following internal external news gives knowledge position 1974 , turkey democratic goverment free press time forget internal news agencies , n't heard anything international source concentration camps greek cypriot prisoners turkey however , heard adana pow camp secret well recognized pow camp registered prisoners red cross returned homes , version story cases prisoners registered , even sent messages relatives , released undeniable facts see , vanished turkish labor camps turks decided acknowledge existence first later changed minds releasing \? think happened \? thought mia 's subject rambo chuck movies seems wrong treatment according convention \? okay believe n't need belive turkiye never state history , respected continuous member un since inception un body ever questioned un membership turkey happened short lived arms embargo imposed unilaterally usa satisfy internal greek know would say next let answer wasting anytime yes ! un condemning resolutions turkey handling cyprus problem , especially 1980 coup well , us israel say \? sure athens junta 1960 74 , greeks share closed matter today turkish cypriots turks greeks greek cypriots official demand greek cypriots missing greek cypriots heard official demand regarding missing persons \? looked latest un agenda cyprus talks mediated \? issue whatsoever missing people among negotiating parties \? heard many times interviews turkish international press keeps saying longer issue peace talks also , n't want fish greek cypriot politician 's words \( argic posted zillion times \) describing missing peoples greek cypriot myth seems different opinions among greek cypriots well missing people turkish custody claim majority missing persons infact killed period coup invasion , 5 days , simply true cases missing persons know , know quite , cases people either reserve forces lost somewhere battlefield , civilians taken prisoners villages turkish army claiming anything told given greek cypriots answer turkish goverment turkish cypriots wanted locate july 15 final cease fire late august , 1974 answer seems satisfy international community , un , goverment \( since make issue peace talks \) also , aware un condemnation turkey missing greek cypriot \? btw , mean sampson coup nobody got hurt events \? photos refer , photos greek cypriot soldiers rounded , also others prison camp turkey like said even different opinion among greek cypriots myth officers turkish army governed adana pow camp must hell clever dudes cover tracks 8 \) hope turkish army type morons security turkiye however , must good subject movie script one inform oliver stone course , justice served well bosnian pleas answered , 's going dare ask happens behind ethnic cleansing idea known today \( eoka b known 1974 \) everybody openly even giving tv interviews may take time eoka b case , however , justice served akgun , comparing actions serbians bosnian actions turkey cyprus something would turk thought serbians savages , inhumane beasts etc etc c akgun understood paragraph , better let computer system administrator check character conversion tables system ok , inform mine 8 \) c akgun
fzi de \( kai \) subject archie client \? organization informatik \( fzi \) , karlsruhe , germany lines 4 distribution world reply fzi de nntp posting host fzi de 1 2 needs archie client program anybody know , get \? thanks advance , kai
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject quick way tell local beat writer dumb article news organization biochemistry lines 28 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article 1993apr06 locus com aardvark la locus com \( warren usui \) writes article apr 5 16 22 48 1993 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net \( bob gajarsky hobokenite \) writes anyone writes dean palmer 2 homers pace , 'll 324 home runs ! shot , hand , juan gonzales probably shot 324 hr 's \) dodgers one inning play committed one error rate 'll 1 , 455 errors season ! well maybe i'm right time actually , might \? \) eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu marxist , groucho sort grafitti , paris , 1968 tanstaafl ! \( although internet comes close \)
munizb rwtms2 decnet rockwell com \( rwtms2 munizb \) subject space event near los angeles , ca x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 55 apologies gets posted twice , n't think first one made immediate release contact oasis \( 310 \) 364 15 april 1993 los angeles , ca local national space society chapters sponsor talk l advocate lunar power system energy source world april 21 , oasis ventura county chapters national space society sponsor talk lunar power system \( lps \) co inventor vice president lps coalition , dr robert waldron held 7 30 p rockwell science center thousand oaks , ca dr waldron currently technical specialist space materials processing space systems division rockwell international downey , california recognized world authority lunar materials refinement written 15 articles reports materials processing utilization along dr david , waldron invented lunar solar power system concept momentum building coalition entrepreneurs , legal experts , soviet u scientists engineers build lunar power system , pollution free , energy source potential power globe past three years members coalition , nearly half california , commercial scientific concept solar power system based moon lps concept entails collecting solar energy lunar surface power earth microwaves transmitted orbiting antennae mature lps offers enormous source clean , sustainable power meet earth 's ever increasing demand using proven , basic technology oasis \( organization advancement space \) greater los angeles chapter national space society , international non profit organization promotes development space frontier ventura county chapter based oxnard , ca rockwell science center auditorium , 1049 camino dos , thousand oaks , ca directions ventura freeway 101 thousand oaks , exit onto lynn road heading north \( right turn 101 north , left turn 101 south \) , 1 2 mile turn left camino dos , 1 2 mile make first right rockwell camino , parking top hill left
david wheaton edu \( jonathan hayward \) subject pantheism environmentalism organization wheaton college , il lines 46 article apr 5 23 31 36 1993 athos rutgers edu cleveland freenet edu \( gary v \) writes i'm new group , maybe covered already , anybody see current emphasis environment turned \( unintentionally , course \) pantheism \? yes \( use styrofoam table service please keep mind read post wish attack environmentalism \) half truth least dangerous complete lie complete lie rarely readily accepted , half truth \( lie subtly hidden \) offered one angel light satan \( people \) grip treating earth something god 's intricate , something health future generations based treated respect think 's going happily leave \? one error rejected , style push people opposite error therefore earth god 's intricate , rubbish , god mother earth one primarily love serve see two facets response 1 care environment treat proper respect , god 's intricate health future generation , showing facet one things constitute apostle paul called becoming things men possible means might save n't say forget environment , 've got important things spend time putting foot mouth manner destroy credibility expressing things important 2 show ultimate entity , creature creator show beauty glory points greater beauty glory show ultimate , one many cords infinite god , give mountains greatest jonathan hayward climb love jonathan hayward wheaton edu strength climbing corinthians 13 13 edu
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject cruel \( political atheists \? \) organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 20 article gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes discussing relation death penalty , constitution need define words within anyone n't know cruel look dictionary \( \) , dictionary available , could gain first hand knowledge suffering one posts bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) subject bikes vs horses \( insect organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 27 reply ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu previous article , egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) says article sda usenet ins cwru edu , ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) writes people train years jump horse 2 feet wear tails useless helmets , turns , everybody 's serious horses bunch weenie fashion helmets suck i'm wearing shoei mountain bike helmet fuck em i'm permanently injured oops late nah , still walk go fast take chances mike
arthur noguerola vos stratus com subject son genuine vinyl records 4sale organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 14 nntp posting host m21 eng stratus com thank requesting list thank purchased vinyl lotsa vinyl leftover sale vinyl looking new home please buy \( \) stop running ad bunches 12 vinyl records sale including metal ! ! ! heavy metal music \) em get amazing deal email big list details \( mass , usa \) arthur noguerola vos stratus com
betts netcom com \( jonathan betts \) subject find cheap lcd displays \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 32 sci e \( e \) netters setting build market small electronic device requires lcd display analog electronics working fine , ordered pic ice \( vice versa \) since pics cheap low power , devil time finding lcd displays 6 8 digit range priced low need looking somthing range 1 quantities 1000 10 , 000 mainstream distributors like almac cannot help without part number , look around something line find 15 8 digit lcd even digikey 's cheapest offering 5 quantity know lcd displays like must exist see whole calculators sale 4 99 , meaning retailer probably buys 3 50 probably gets 2 50 2 50 includes assembly labor , packaging , sales , transportation , import duties , case keyboard , pc board , processor chip , solar cell lcd lcd ca n't cost much anyone could put touch manufacturers distributors handle things would much obliged joe betts betts netcom com p tried tearing apart several cheap consumer devices find anyone else better luck strategy \?
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject braves pitching updatedir organization university virginia lines 34 article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) writes one chapters palmer thorn 's titled 44 baseball , ' implying fielding 6 determine \? beats 's long , long time since read \( opinion \) stupidest thing hidden game argument 1 \) defense , runs allowed , 50 game 2 \) unearned runs amount 12 runs allowed earned runs , 88 3 \) since unearned runs result fielding , pitching , earned runs product pitching , fielding , fielding 12 defense pitching 88 defense 4 \) 1 , pitching 44 game , fielding 6 pete usually sharper feel fielding 25 33 defense range call 30 70 fielding pitching one also separate offense batting baserunning , split probably somewhere around 49 5 0 5 'd give baserunning little credit , maybe 45 5 , even 40 10 give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats \( would n't unreasonable \) , even n't let roberto steal single base , 'll score lot oleruds going first third often \( offense , gordon \) clay
euclid mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( euclid k \) subject aids organization university illinois urbana lines 18 tea4two eng sun com \( alice taylor \) writes friend mine seeing acupuncturist wants know danger getting aids needles ask practitioner whether uses pre disposable needles , needles , use former case 's conceivable way get aids needles latter case 's highly unlikely \( though many practitioners use disposable variety anyway \) euclid euclid k standard disclaimers apply bit ironic need wave model light understand propagation light part system leaves trace hudson nelson \( university physics \)
bruce data io com \( bruce reynolds \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization data corporation lines 31 lerc nasa gov \( jeff miller \) writes even properly controlled studies \( e g double blind studies \) almost useless trying prove something affect anyone article agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) writes mass anectdotal evidence , combined lack properly constructed scientific experiment disproving hypothesis , makes msg reaction hypothesis likely explanation events good grief one ever heard \? \? university washington \( plus 3 4 others harvard , unc \) department advanced degree program wife ms biostat , plenty mds , phds , work people living really bright people study decades sort study well evidence worthless even doctors using drug treatment years , swear effective , often suprised results clinical trials whether msg causes , , symptoms pretty simple discover last study wife worked employed 200 nurses , 100 doctors , dozen ph ds one university 70 hospitals five nations would think msg question could settled one lowly biostat ms student thesis bruce
mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines 24 reply frank d012s658 uucp 's message 15 apr 1993 23 15 09 gmt x news reader vms news 1 24 horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp writes \( attempting define morality' \) 'll take wild guess say freedom objectively valuable base assumption everyone world deprived utterly freedom \( every act contrary \) , almost would want complain long keep almost , freedom mostly valuable thing , people , think 're really saying , real big lot people agree freedom subjectively valuable 's good , quite nice starting point moral system , 's universal , thus objective therefore take assert believe freedom valuable , almost everyone see , every bit absurd assert raining rainy day n't disclaimer \? 's great young insane !
behnke fnalf fnal gov \( l behnke \) subject electric power line balls article fnnews reply behnke fnalf fnal gov distribution usa organization fermi national accelerator lab lines 27 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov article 1993apr6 eagle lerc nasa gov , fsset bach lerc nasa gov \( scott townsend \) writes got question dad really ca n't answer 'd appreciate net wisdom question 18 24 diameter balls attached electric power lines area 's seen half dozen two poles neither us experience electric power distribution guess may capacitive device equalize inductance grid , many two poles \? anyone know really \? related faq \? better group submit \? 'd appreciate enlightenment balls used reduce amplitude wire periods high winds 've seen looks like paint cans filled concrete used purpose mike behnke senior tech advisor quid est aqua \? \? fermi nat accel lab equipment batavia , il computing div ! ! ! ! behnke fnalf fnal gov opinions , lab , n't like , call 1 800
jartsu hut fi \( jartsu \) subject help wanted ! monitor problems \( nec 3d iivi \) nntp posting host lk hp 15 hut fi reply jartsu vipunen hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 107 hello ! past days 've fighting get nec multisync 3d \( predecessor \) work properly internal video mac iivi vga adapter \( described dale posting quadra video \) works , minor occur , small enough prevent action screen visible clear stuff 3d well enough apple 13 rgb , first made adapter , got one local distributor nec adapters get , looks excellent time every radical changes screen \( opening palettes , large windows etc \) major sync picture either sideways totally even clear , horizontal line alignment accessing pull downs etc self made adapter , almost identical vga one , sense pins differ , sometimes impossible even boot picture clear enough shut menu adapter nec , everything well time , sometimes picture badly sideways sync completely lost nearly often self made one know , self made adapters always interference , one provided nec 's source interference \? 'll give pinouts whole mess , hope , least someone \( please try \) figure could best pin assignment nec 3d going make completely new cable maximum , soon someone figures pins arranged , especially yes , checked monitor defective , works perfectly well pc graphic adapters 1024x768 pixels also atari monochrome , using pinouts stuff 15 pin mini sub \( nec 3d \) 15 pin sub \( mac , least quadra \) 1 red video 1 red gnd 2 green video 2 red video 3 blue video 3 composite sync 4 gnd 4 sense 0 5 gnd 5 green video 6 red gnd 6 green gnd 7 green gnd 7 sense 1 8 blue gnd 8 nc 9 nc 9 blue video 10 gnd 10 sense 2 11 gnd 11 c sync v sync gnd 12 nc 12 v sync 13 h sync 13 blue gnd 14 v sync 14 h sync gnd 15 nc 15 h sync shell gnd shell gnd connection suggested apple vga svga , sense pins changed emulate apple 13 multisync \( self made adapter \) multisync \( mini sub \) mac \( sub \) 1 2 2 5 3 9 6 1 7 6 8 13 10 14 13 15 14 12 4 \( \) grounded 11 \( sync gnd \) connection measured adapter make nec 4fg emulate apple 13 \( adapter provided nec representative \) nec \( 15 mini \) mac \( 15 \) 1 2 2 5 3 9 4 shell gnd , 1 , 4 , 6 , 13 5 6 7 8 10 11 13 3 14 connected ! well , waiting solutions thanks ! jartsu
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject secret source announcement lines 19 even interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist gov longer recognizes commands telnet csrc ncsl nist gov smtp trying 129 6 54 11 connected csrc ncsl nist gov escape character ' ' 220 first org sendmail 4 1 nist ready tue , 20 apr 93 17 01 34 edt expn clipper 500 command unrecognized seems like sombody n't like snooping around , marc mine dozen people probably idea \) rush shut imply names list heavy duty spooks \? \) \) \) g
hamilton romulus ehs uiuc edu \( wayne hamilton \) subject null modem 25 pin serial article news organization university illinois urbana lines 57 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 bruce maynard \( chi il us \) wrote article psuvm psu edu mitch psuvm psu edu writes someone give specs null modem cable , get crossed \) psuvm psu edu 's easy one carry 25 pins straight thru , exception pins 2 3 , crossed someone else already mentioned , n't carry thru 23 pins plan , minimal null modem sg \( 7 \) sg \( 7 \) td \( 2 \) rd \( 3 \) rd \( 3 \) td \( 2 \) 're transfering files 2 pcs , ought work \( unless comm program \) plan b , null modem modem control sg \( 7 \) sg \( 7 \) td \( 2 \) rd \( 3 \) rd \( 3 \) td \( 2 \) dcd \( 8 \) dtr \( 20 \) dtr \( 20 \) dcd \( 8 \) comm software wait dcd transferring anything software raise dtr enable modem accept call cable , side 's dtr drive 's dcd plan c , null modem hardware flow control sg \( 7 \) sg \( 7 \) td \( 2 \) rd \( 3 \) rd \( 3 \) td \( 2 \) rts \( 4 \) cts \( 5 \) cts \( 5 \) rts \( 4 \) high speed transfers , want flow control plan , deluxe null modem \( combine b c \) sg \( 7 \) sg \( 7 \) td \( 2 \) rd \( 3 \) rd \( 3 \) td \( 2 \) rts \( 4 \) cts \( 5 \) cts \( 5 \) rts \( 4 \) dcd \( 8 \) dtr \( 20 \) dtr \( 20 \) dcd \( 8 \) one ideal leaves dsr ri \( rarely used anymore \) 're really paranoid , 8th wire spend , might add fg \( 1 \) fg \( 1 \) pin numbers \( obviously \) 25 pin connectors n't 9 pin pinout handy wayne hamilton hamilton osiris cso uiuc edu box 476 , urbana , il 61801 \( 217 \) 384 \( voice \) , \( bbs \)
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double standard \? organization florida state university lines 63 seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes since day upon christians celebrate resurrection jesus approaching , thought would comment article mar 29 03 23 31 1993 athos rutgers edu dsegard nyx cs du edu \( daniel segard \) writes objection celebration easter \? celebration resurrection jesus n't recall command scripture us celebrate resurrection , sole reason christians could celebrate \? name quite correct biblical teaching expects us celebrate resurrection christ year every time someone baptized col 2 12 buried baptism , wherein also ye risen faith operation god , hath raised dead rom 6 4 therefore buried baptism death like christ raised dead glory father , even also walk newness life really want celebrate resurrection faith walk newness life baptism necessary celebrate pagan goddess process , see scripture , israel observe 7th day forever gentiles believe messiah israel welcome observe 7th day well , required since adopted commonwealth israel gentiles commonwealth israel required observe basic commands given came \( see also acts 15 \) requirements placed upon come faith messiah infer different rules christians jewish descent \? happened neither jew greek , slave free , male female , one christ jesus \? jewish christians may find certain forms worship certain disciplines meaningful cultural background , hard time understanding justification applying rules commandments justified grace faith jesus christ paul answered question romans 9 v 4 stated adoption , glory , covenants , giving law , service god , promises given israelites package deal goes identify true israelites vs 6 8 makes plain true israelites born way accept promise god paul continued emphasize israelite 2 cor 11 22 , gal 3 29 says belong christ abraham 's seed , heirs promises given israelites promises come law nothing want discard one part law \? certainly would want husband faithful believe adultery longer forbidden \? law btw please give reference statement gentiles required observe basis could list please acts 15 deals circumcision law moses added transgression god 's eternal law \( gal 3 19 rom 4 15 \) darius lecointe got ba born department educational research made anew florida state university i'm getting phd become tel \( 904 \) 644 patient , humble , disciple e mail dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu
cc usu edu \( jason \) subject christian owned organization list organization utah state university lines 12 article sdcc12 ucsd edu , shopper ucsd edu writes anyone know find list christian owned corporations companies \? one know wordperfect naw , owners wordperfect mormons , tony rose 's robert weiss' standards , mormons n't christians \) internet cc usu edu \( jason \) , logan , utah
starr genie slhs udel edu \( tim starr \) subject ban firearms ! organization udel school life health sciences lines 29 article pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) writes article hydra gatech edu gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james \) writes 2 guns banned , bunch showed south florida , would easier trace notice small ripple huge wave american gun teach courses rude canada \? n't canadian culture handed largely united empire fled american revolution tend , government loving attitude towards authority paul prescod right line elitist bigotry prejudice canadian friends hate fellow citizens sort canuck irrational horror american democratic armed mobs tim starr renaissance ! assistant editor freedom network news , newsletter , international society individual liberty , 1800 market st , san francisco , ca \( 415 \) 864 fax \( 415 \) 864 2711 compuserve com think universally , act starr genie slhs udel edu
davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) subject runs like bitch organization computer science dept , qmw , university london x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 31 tried mailing domain seems exist , ca n't even get slb com admit knowing , anyway go article griffin sgp slb com wrote subject runs like bitch anyone cure sub zero running probs gpz 900 anything 3000 revs bike wants cut time , recommended cure bike mags seems switch engine minute ice , obviously mutch cure mine kawasaki heated carb mod problem persists , 've covered rad makes bike run warmer moves problem temp scale degree two anyone tried kit 900 \( getting desperate \) different carbs fuel injection gpz 1100 talked kawasaki , maybe another version upgrade kit got worth phone call carb mod buy secondhand someone said done kent \? heard mailing list run \? email list bikers uk interested parties , available live daily digest let know want subscribe good luck , dave david edmondson davide dcs qmw ac uk queen mary westfield college dod guzzi le mans 1000 means end horse drawn zeppelin
tlaloc sw stratus com \( michael \) subject sale 1990 pontiac grand prix se organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 45 distribution usa nntp posting host tlaloc sw stratus com sale 1990 pontiac grand prix se white , white rims , gray interior miles \( mostly highway \) , 3 8 litre v6 multi port fuel injected engine , 5 speed manual transmission options include c , rear , power steering , power brakes , power windows , power locks , power mirrors , cruise control , power glass moonroof sunshade , power seat \( driver 's \) , power seat comfort lumbar headrest \( \) , fm cassette , electronic monitor service system graphic compass , stereo controls duplicated steering wheel , remote keyless entry , others asking 11 , 500 car looks rides like rolled dealers lot garaged pampered gets average 27 5 mpg highway , sometimes better city around 19 23 mpg , depending driven selling baby coming soon need 4 door family car consider trade partial trade ford taurus , mercury sable , 4 door pontiac grand similar american car contact mike home \( 508 \) 881 work \( 508 \) 490 , tlaloc sw stratus com
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject fast organization lehigh university lines 12 article 3090 shaman wv tek com , andrew frip wv tek com \( andrew klossner \) wr ites ask speed 130 \? 's rush cocaine 's point \? andrew klossner \( andrew frip wv tek com \) n't know cocaine ,
clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) subject countersteering sans hands organization becton dickinson research center r p nc usa lines 7 nntp posting host bdrc bd com steer hands n't bars \? \( open budweiser left hand , camel cigarette right , feet allowed \) lean , bike turns , countersteering \? countersteering like taller seat , feet n't floor \? rick
kevin axon usa \( kevin vanhorn \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization usr users kevin organization lines 15 nntp posting host axon cs byu edu reply roby chopin udel edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 05 53 07 gmt article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes two nine escaped compound said fire deliberately set cult members correction fbi says two nine escaped said fire deliberately set cult members since press kept miles away , absolutely independent verification government 's claims matter kevin van horn religion batf approved \? vanhorn bert cs byu edu
pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu subject help kidney stones organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines 11 girlfriend pain kidney stones says medical insurance , cannot get removed question way treat , least mitigate effects \? help deeply appreciated \( advice , referral literature , etc \) thank , dave pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject clipper crypto organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 26 distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com keywords crypto , eff sent response white house 0005895485 mcimail com \( white house \) received nice , automatic reply noting , passing , included snail address , would get reply due course care , reply 1 yes , let 's protect voice network 2 privately developed crypto always available always let 's think law enforcement given fact hope legislate 3 needs crypto system designer met clipper chip want freely export uses algorithms \( like des rsa \) already freely available destination country disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
freud nia nih gov \( howard wai chun \) subject need shading program example x organization \( institutes health , bethesda , md \) lines 7 anyone know shading program based xlib public domain \? need example allocate correct colormaps program appreciate help howard
parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) subject dogs nntp posting host acs3 acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 26 article c5pntm 8co cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes tactic depends effectiveness dog 's conformance psychological norm may actually apply particular dog 've tried success , wo n't work charlie manson dog one 's really , really stupid large irish setter taught yard \( apparently territory \) one day i'm sure playing game game probably kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages regards , charles dod0 001 rz350 within span last weeks heard elements separate threads , conjoined time , struck together form new chord within hollow echoing gourd unknown net person
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject newspapers censoring gun advertisements organization computer science department , stanford university lines 48 newspaper ad censorship newspapers decided censor gun ads longer see ads traders , san leandro , run many years tired newspapers run sex liquor ads , yet refuse run legitimate gun ads , please send letter editors indicating displeasure censorship doctrine following list bay area newspapers censor gun ads perhaps 'd like send thoughts issue ! contra costa times san mateo times san francisco chronicle pob 5088 pob 5400 901 mission st walnut creek , ca san mateo , ca san francisco , ca 94103 san fran independent san fran examiner san jose mercury news 1201 evans ave 110 5th st 750 park dr san fran , ca san fran , ca 94103 san jose , ca april 15 , 1993 issue sf chronicle lap page e7 \( sporting green section \) 's advert \( copy bit screwed says prices offered expire 4 14 93 , ad \) sf examiner chronicle run set \( joint printing biz agreement differ editorial content \) 've seen gun ads recently merc , anti gun , albeit traders , competitors n't know papers traders claim things changing \? \? tv journalists lie 's easier telling truth one much cares either way let know write bozos , make sure bozos actually 're accusing andy
mac1 isis msstate edu \( mubashir cheema \) subject 2 printers pc lan \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? summary 2 printers keywords 2 printers nntp posting host isis msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 15 recently plunged pc world using amigas trying establish network \( lan \) could use 2 different printers panasonic printing receipts okidata letters etc possible world \? know using unix etc specify printer print sure pcs would handle ca n't guess 'll leave good move unix mubashir cheema communications ph \( 601 \) 323 fax \( 601 \) 324 500 russell street , suite 20 email mac1 ra msstate edu starkville , ms 39759
stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu \( kevin l stamber \) subject radio stations organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 31 article ragraca vela acs oakland edu , ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes greanias texas mitre org \( steve greanias \) writes cable nights caps n't play , would like tune games anyone list radio stations broadcast games nhl teams \? thanks advance give couple detroit , wjr \( 760 \) broadcasting least first couple games wings toronto series , since broadcast watts , may able pick dark pittsburgh penguins games used broadcast kdka 1020 , n't know whether pre empted baseball \( moved another station \) try local baseball teams n't playing time , anyway randy kdka first rights pirates games , split probably 50 50 conflicts penguins games , check 102 5 wdve fm \( 's right , dve \) also 50 , 000 watts kevin l stamber purdue university funny sig today
cats ucsc edu \( \) subject magazines forsale organization university california santa cruz lines 107 distribution usa nntp posting host si ucsc edu discounts ! please take 2 00 item 10 00 1 00 item 5 00 list magazines , including asking price strategy tactics magazine \( include games \) new \( 52 79 90 mailed games inclusions \) issue title asking 52 oil war american intervention persian gulf 35 00 79 berlin '85 enemy gates 20 00 81 tito partisan army yugoslavia , 1941 45 20 00 83 kaiser 's battle german offensive march , 1918 20 00 84 operation grenade feb 23 mar 5 , 1945 20 00 89 race messina jul 10 aug 17 , 1943 20 00 90 battle colonies take offensive 1778 20 00 end era new \( 113 127 mailed games inclusions envelope \) issue title asking 113 battle \( magazine \) 15 00 115 russian 15 00 116 rebellion 15 00 117 north german plain modern germany 15 00 118 tigers burning camp ukraine 44 15 00 120 15 00 122 pegasus bridge beginning day 15 00 123 campaigns valley 15 00 124 fortress russian winter offensive 43 15 00 125 far seas german cruiser operations wwii 15 00 126 beirut 1982 arab 15 00 127 rush glory war mexico 47 15 00 ah general magazine \( many articles included issue \) issue title asking vol 7 80 doom 8 00 17 2 11 80 fortress europa 8 00 17 4 1 81 circus maximus 8 00 17 5 3 81 8 00 17 6 5 81 , squad leader clinic 8 00 18 1 campaign magazine \( many articles included issue \) issue title asking 97 doom 8 00 101 cross iron 8 00 102 8 00 104 squad leader variant 8 00 106 's 1941 8 00 108 battle gulf 8 00 magazine prices include postage issues new like new condition games books publications , inc attack mutants introductory game 5 00 \( , new \) complete book \( print \) 30 00 author jon freeman \( part 1 introduction 75 pages including ch 4 introductory \) \( complete information 150 1980 \) hardcover , 285 pages , large format shipping extra books games prefer money orders payment , 'll allow personal checks clear shipping larry larry 7th avenue 10 santa cruz , ca \( 408 \) 426 x 358 \( w \) \( 408 \) 475 \( h \)
cbnewsg cb att com \( james j dutton \) subject question quantum organization distribution na lines 30 article ms uky edu amir ms uky edu \( amir \) writes way want however , following problem chin hangs bottom helmet curious know whether would still problem switch extra large size \? particular , anyone tell certain , outer shell quantum size x large different \( larger etc \) helmet size large \? inner padding foam x large one 's head fits little deeper helmet , thus one 's chin would stick \? true old arthur helmets namely , chin hangs little bottom large helmet , x large \( x large snug large \) dealer willing replace helmet additional cost \( e shipping \) , want make sure 1 \) x large fact little bigger chin hang 2 \) much looser head fit x large \? anyone recent experience helmet , please let hear \( e mail \) asap thank much amir i'm sure helmet chin questions might want write jay c tonight show burbank calif good luck 's 'r' us doh ai n't 's 'r' us zx 10 ama dod ai n't
jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time article armory organization centerline software , inc lines 14 nntp posting host 140 239 3 202 dunnjj ucsu colorado edu \( dunn jonathan james \) writes ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) writes cup holders \( driving enough undertaking \) good idea carry \( non alcoholic \) drinks without spilling someone hold agree six hour long stretches behind wheel really make thirsty , especially something caffeine consider failing car cup holder anywhere put cup holder jim frost jimf centerline com
nmcglynn buffalo axion bt co uk \( neil \) subject british championship playoffs \( 16 apr 93 \) organization bt labs , heath , , uk lines 45 reply nmcglynn axion bt co uk nntp posting host buffalo axion bt co uk organisation bt laboratories , heath , uk group group b cardiff devils 7 3 bracknell bees nottingham panthers 8 3 billingham humberside 7 7 whitley warriors murrayfield racers 11 2 fife flyers whitley bay 6 9 cardiff devils billingham bombers 6 8 murrayfield humberside 8 5 bracknell bees nottingham panthers 11 5 fife flyers cardiff devils 10 4 humberside murrayfield racers 6 4 nottingham bracknell bees 4 9 whitley bay fife flyers 2 5 billingham bracknell bees 3 8 cardiff devils billingham bombers 2 8 nottingham whitley bay 5 7 humberside fife flyers 3 12 murrayfield p w l f p p w l f p cardiff devils 4 4 0 0 34 16 8 murrayfield racers 4 4 0 0 37 15 8 humberside 4 2 1 1 26 27 5 nottingham panthers 4 3 0 1 31 16 6 whitley bay 4 1 1 2 27 27 3 billingham bombers 4 1 0 3 16 26 2 bracknell bees 4 0 0 4 15 32 0 fife flyers 4 0 0 4 12 39 0 indicates qualified championship finals relegation promotion relegation promotion b basingstoke 10 4 swindon sheffield steelers 12 8 peterborough durham wasps 13 5 romford raiders slough jets 1 9 mk kings basingstoke 6 0 durham wasps sheffield steelers 9 4 milton keynes swindon 8 5 romford raiders milton keynes kings 4 6 peterborough durham wasps 17 2 swindon slough jets 2 12 sheffield romford 4 10 basingstoke peterborough 10 2 slough jets romford 8 3 durham wasps peterborough 8 5 sheffield swindon 7 11 basingstoke milton keynes kings 10 4 slough jets p w l f p p w l f p basingstoke 4 4 0 0 37 15 8 sheffield steelers 4 3 0 0 38 22 6 durham wasps 4 2 0 2 33 21 4 peterborough 4 3 0 1 32 23 6 swindon 4 1 0 3 21 43 2 milton keynes kings 4 2 0 2 27 20 4 romford raiders 4 1 0 3 22 34 2 slough jets 4 0 0 4 9 41 0 neil 44 473 nmcglynn axion bt co uk british telecom laboratories , heath , , uk
cs arizona edu \( david k \) subject braves giants organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 13 situation giants' bleachers case point need commissioner true , main thing e needs suspend bobby cox cannot allow team come ump braves usually rip umps , case , players dead wrong cox go 5 games ever game happened , 'd ejected every player came cox gant would spared , cox would gone ensuing argument dave
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject risen ! organization case western reserve university lines 16 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu lord savior david risen ! seen alive ! spread word ! sole intention learning fly
ho eng ohio state edu \( francis ho \) subject 24 pin printer nntp posting host eng ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 9 toshiba track friction feeds lcd display 3 5 months old like new sample print sheet \( geoworks \) available \( 2 month old program makes print look like inkjet print \) 175 firm
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject question virgin mary organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 moderator noted , think mean assumption catholics believe blessed virgin mary went heaven body soul end life unusual normal course events body decay grave stay way resurrection dead well , n't way enoch elijah , translated directly heaven 's beyond grasp object mary , far greater either enoch elijah , benefit recieved , mother god , full grace , immaculate historically , belief assumption found writings st gregory tours \( late 6th century \) st germain constantinople st john damascus , st andrew , among others noted monophysite egypt syria also hold belief part divine revelation , even though broke away unity chruch 451 ad rejecting council chalcedon might argued protestants catholics orthodox made belief , monophysites , put big hole notion , also hold belief , split chruch belief first writing \( far known , much lost time fathers \) andy byler
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 71 article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes john 12 24 26 assuredly , say , unless grain wheat falls onto ground dies , remains alone dies , produces much grain loves life lose , hates life world keep eternal life anyone serves , let follow , servant also anyone serves , father honor would want eternal life hate one \? , missed jesus 's point read surrounding passages would understand jesus means life world , around , asserted standard axiom bible bunk , came wrong idea also , know exactly jesus means eternal life brian k , expect jump middle quantum mechanics book understand read surrounding material \? bible \? idea jesus means world , look references concordance good description , whole book ecclesiastes game eternal life , check john 17 3 , john 3 15 16 find eternal life quite different think eternal life starts infinitely high quality life living fellowship god short even deity exist , n't automatically mean would worship content live life , fend , die , proud fact matter end , actions choices god decides toss flaming pit , would much rather cease exist god wants respect obedience , better earn , strong true diety exists , would cease exist jesus talks hell luke 16 19 31 've got understand point view see christians spouting bible verse time sort magic spell level opposition truth , 's robert never demonstrated actually understands verses imply rattles day day fly face common sense reality , point truth , sort magic spell truth understand , enjoy understanding nice belief set around nice book wrong christianity supposed relationship even know christianity arguing opinion , 're bumbling blindly making entities n't , depriving true understanding enjoyment life long keep beliefs , 'll keep beliefs soon start waving around , expect toss opinions , make places jericho , jerusalem , babylon , , ephesus , , kings , david , solomon , , herod , pilate guess treat abraham lincoln myth like odin zeus
holger ohlwein ap mchp sni de \( holger ohlwein \) subject wc 93 results , april 18 reply holger ohlwein ap mchp sni de \( holger ohlwein \) organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 24 nntp posting host 139 21 16 6 article 1993apr21 ericsson se , etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) writes ok , forgot czech roster home yesterday , n't know teams players , would appreciate guys could fill blanks \( especially think players play finland \) czech republic goaltenders 1 petr briza \( finland somewhere , right \? \) signed contract ev , germany 1993 94 season defense 3 leo \? ec muenchen , germany since 1992 holger e e n holger ohlwein otto hahn ring 6 8000 muenchen 83 tel 49 \( 89 \) 636 email holger ohlwein ap mchp sni de n x r f never put till tomorrow avoid together
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject players rushed majors organization biochemistry lines 35 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article 93122 hydra gatech edu re4 prism gatech edu \( russell earnest \) writes article 1993apr15 holos0 uucp , lbr holos0 uucp \( len reed \) writes article tss com hanson tss com \( hanson \) writes n't bob horner go straight arizona state univ atlanta braves \? remember one great month hitting next heard japan month \? well , short career compared one might expected highly touted prospect due injury prone , overweight , work ethic certainly suffer rushed bigs sorry len , exactly suffered rushed bigs overweight work ethic , leading injury prone nothing loose , might corrected richmond \( intend smiley comment \? \) remember correctly \( always doubt \) , horner 's signing braves contingent starting atlanta think could gone back arizona st one year n't signed anyhow , braves try send richmond lead week long methinks horner work ethic drafted , minor league play would n't helped raw talent would gotten ml , keep , started falling wrists eric \( lazy update sig \) roush
rick sjsu edu \( richard warner \) subject california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies organization san jose state university math cs dept lines 29 johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) writes nigel allen \( ndallen r node hub org \) wrote press release california department insurance california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies may little dense would thought protecting consumers scam insurance companies would prime objective something called cal insurance commission n't accomplishing need \? simple bureaucrat regulator duties make rules enforce laws cannot make laws law covers specific subject , say scam insurance companies , regulator cannot create one go proper legislative body get law enacted california insurance commissioner , two possible legislative bodies california state legislature u congress know little california state legislature , esp along lines insurance reform legislation \( negative movement \) wants feds , \( \) better chance getting federal law , \( b \) since many scam companies work across state lines national borders , better law reach jurisdictions john eaton ! hp vcd ! johne
ritvax isc rit edu \( \) subject macplus home brew question \? \? nntp posting host vaxb isc rit edu reply ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 16 ha talk changing clock speed q700 makes ask \? \? replaced 8mhz 68000 plus 16mhz 68000 16mhz clock \( shared rest mac new \) would mac work would work would think problems sound , , scsi seems like simple solution dead slow live little longer oh would work make work \? \? \? thanks alex ritvax isc rit edu
johnh macadam mpce mq edu au \( john haddy \) subject old 256k simms \? organization macquarie university lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce mq edu au article 120466 netnews upenn edu , jhaines eniac seas upenn edu \( jason haines \) writes wondering people good uses old 256k simms bunch apple mac know lots people tried sell gotten interest , inovative use \( want buy simms 8 \) \) , would interested hearing practical use 've seen key ring ornaments \) johnh
francis ircam fr \( joseph francis \) subject krillean photography organization inst de recherche et coordination , paris lines 50 article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes think 's correct spelling looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures i'm thinking education suppliers schools might appartus sale , n't know companies info greatly appreciated photography n't educational , except purely sense case n't know , krillean photography , best knowledge , involves taking pictures \( time \) organic object charged plates picture show energy patterns spikes around object photographed , depending type object , spikes energy patterns vary one might extrapolate say proves every object within universe \( know \) energy signature photography involves putting donuts grease covered hot metal plates illuminating krypton unique involving 4th dimensional projection torus semi interactions hot lipid layers covering metal plates \( best metal iron since \) donuts start developing , within moments actually become poly hot greasy people believe food way man 's heart , psychics agree nothing like hot breakfast chemical composition mystery , thought evidence charles fort 's wonder 's production secret life plants played backwards theatre fertile farms deduced complex carbohydrates ordinarily found clouds called box asked really case , tm letter across atlantic tell indeed another case misunderstanding tesla , though university n't confirmed anything least taste good got recipe le fresh 'n' clean , speaking way want live today american american , bit , even
jkellett netcom com \( joe kellett \) subject opinions asked rejection organization netcom lines 22 william mayne \( mayne pipe cs fsu edu \) wrote article apr 1 02 34 21 1993 athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) writes people reject god n't want heaven spend lives choosing either god force us must say shocked impression jayne usually writes much less offensive ludicrous saying offensiveness intentional , clear something christians consider jayne stands pretty good company c lewis wrote whole book promoting idea contained first sentence quoted called final divorce excellent book subject heaven hell , highly recommended 's allegory souls invited , indeed enter heaven , reject offer god heaven means giving false pride joe kellett jkellett netcom com
cs dal ca \( jeff smith \) subject header honda civic si organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada lines 22 nntp posting host cs dal ca hello , looking slightly increase performance 89 honda civic si wondering anyone could suggest upgrades drastic thought one easiest upgrades would new header anyone know kind increase header would give \? think would check jackson racing part would make honda parts small changes easily made wo n't screw car things like new \? , new fuel injection chip etc \? would welcome suggestions small changes would make difference n't really want change cam etc heard would much harder engine e mail prefered please post summary replies thanks help may offer ! jeff smith cs dal ca dalhousie university halifax , ns
gaul csd uwo ca \( \) subject new study gay percentage organization welsh farm nntp posting host obelix gaul csd uwo ca lines 16 article apr 16 20 34 50 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes , one properly write 's promiscuous \? answer many homosexuals quite answer many homosexuals , heterosexual , bisexuals , , many , simply lots people good , c , dog uwo ca b , rhode island obelix gaul csd uwo ca bear bernoulli would content die , known 2 cos
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject role national news media inflaming passions organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 17 article murdoch acc virginia edu , gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) writes kaldis writes fact wearing underwear presented evidence prostitute , court apparently found compelling ah , know women wear without wearing underwear , prostitutes history working massage , telling co workers prostitutes \? frequent truck stop parking lots 4 00 , without id sort \? greg hennessy , university virginia clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
cunixa cc columbia edu \( kimball ng \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? nntp posting host cunixa cc columbia edu reply cunixa cc columbia edu \( kimball ng \) organization columbia university lines 44 kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) writes one thing bubblejets , bubblejets bubblejets produce rather mediocre output \( hp 's little bubblejet \) , whereas produce really good looking output \( hp 's deskjets \) ibm canon produce really good style bubblejets p 're market portable bubblejet printer , highly recommend hp portable deskjet , although 've heard portable canons good \( needed pcl support , \) deskjet portable , even get undocumented pcmcia card slot ! second suggestion although n't hp portable deskjet , hp deskjet 500 gives nicest outputs , minor loss quality intensive purposes \( papers , letters , resumes \) , treat deskjet like laser printer \( look bit closely see characters \) one , ink hp gives smudge rather quickly presence moisture \( even though ink waterproof \) however , would spend 500 laser quality cannon bubblejets nice , however n't seem much support \( eg drivers popular programs \) hp ink jets also hp deskjet \( regular , plus , 500 , 500c \) accepts xerox paper \( believe cut sheet feeder option cannon bubblejet \) n't mind printer cheap ink \( say fountain pen ink \) , hp deskjets cheap maintain \( paid 3 50 last bottle ink expect last 9 months \) kimball \( n't work hp , loves printer much ! \) ps question netters , i'm afraid refill waterproof inks sell art supply houses brought bottle waterproof ink clogged cartridge wonder 'good' waterproof ink \( aside buying refill kits \) refill cartridge \?
hollombe polymath tti com \( polymath \) subject dillon puts foot mouth , film 11 organization cat factory mushroom farm lines 20 article sun panix com justice panix com \( michael justice \) writes dillon published letter blue press telling people bankrupt hci requesting information last time idea went around rec guns , couple people said hci counts information members anyone confirm deny \? true , 's impact hci getting thousand new members \? last heard , hci something like 250k members nra 's 3 million true , want play mandates , well polymath \( aka jerry hollombe , , cdp , aka hollombe polymath tti com \) head robot wrangler citicorp laws define crime 3100 ocean park blvd \( 310 \) 450 9111 , police enforce laws santa monica , ca 90405 citizens prevent crime
niguma ug cs dal ca \( gord niguma \) subject notes jays vs indians series nntp posting host ug cs dal ca organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada distribution na lines 25 fix andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu \( bruce klopfenstein \) writes dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes klopfens andy bgsu edu \( bruce klopfenstein \) said love alomar fans left rbis list course left rbis 're comparing alomar individual baerga individual , individual stats count give break ! forgot runs scored players stealing home , rbi n't count anything mistake oh , oh , know 's going happen n't ! gord niguma \( fav player john olerud \)
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject branch davidians info organization walla walla college lines 40 article mar 18 02 31 54 1993 athos rutgers edu bgsu edu writes bgsu edu subject branch davidians info date 18 mar 93 07 31 55 gmt looking information branch davidians send info chad litton , acs dept bgsu , bowling green oh e mail andy bgsu edu thanks advance n't claim expert branch davidians , might know branch davidian group \( led koresh \) actually one two shoots group known 's rod 's rod \( defunct far know \) broke sda church 30 's 's rod broke away sda church felt sda church becoming weak falling apostacy felt remnant spoken revelation koresh group , koresh gained control 1987 1988 control , made center proclaimed christ koresh came sda background excommunicated young adult local congregation trying exert much control youth church , joined branch davidians cult stockpile weapons , food , bomb shelter , etc intent raiding us government anything preparing putting self defense position opinion , atf fbi left well enough alone , blood 20 children crying ashes waco want know 's rod , might want visit local sda church talk older people could give insight koresh got theology tammy
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject bdi experience nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 29 sebastian c sears , tue , 13 apr 1993 02 32 13 gmt wibbled came around right hand sweeper \( going around 45 mph \) find cager going around 30 mph , calmly driving along , traffic around , lane crossing line , swerving , fully totally within south bound lane 9w \( one lane direction \) n't even got yet must brit nick \( english biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford left right m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' currently incarcerated bnr , maidenhead , united kingdom npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002
eos ncsu edu \( michael james hill \) subject new applications electronics originator eos ncsu edu reply eos ncsu edu \( michael james hill \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 8 i'm looking brief information new applications electronics \( new electronics applications \) know interesting new stuff , would intrested hearing thanks ,
mike mindlink bc ca \( mike \) subject fake virtual reality organization mind link ! british columbia , canada lines 11 ridiculous example vr exploitation 've seen far virtual reality clothing company recently opened vancouver far tell 's another clothes spot although would interesting selling virtual clothing e mail want dig phone probably get promotional lit mp \( 8 \)
johnh jhunix hcf jhu edu \( john j \) subject images earth organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 14 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article 1993apr20 cs ruu nl clldomps cs ruu nl \( louis van dompselaar \) writes sue newspaper got printing article n't say anything copyrights newspaper almost certainly copyrighted entirety newspapers generally employ legal staffs make sure get permission use copyrighted image text \? john john j johnh jhunix hcf jhu edu short sig , std disclaimer
rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu \( bighelmet \) subject best keywords sportswriters organization university illinois urbana lines 21 csc2imd cabell vcu edu \( ian derby \) writes since someone brought sports radio , howabout sportswriting \? \? \? happen big fan jayson stark baseball writer philadelphia inquirer every tuesday writes week review column writes unusual situations occured week unusual stats section called week stupid lines mets ralph kiner every year contest stands last guy get hit also writes baseball america column sort highlights week review , check column sometime might make laugh rob live day day rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream tomorrow
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject flashing anyone \? keywords flashing organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 29 behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes arriving toll booth switch hazards warn motorists taking longer 2 1 2 seconds make transaction question , good bad thing \? sounds like good thing 'll second addition , find hazards often used horn speeds interstates , quite common mountains trucks , states require flashers rural areas , flashers let guy behind know tractor rather large implement behind way use whenever need communicate things deviate norm chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name zx 11 painted green \? since green triumph 650 friend owned sold , name free adoption name grab \? dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
eric sad hp com \( eric lucas \) subject clifford delta car alarm \? organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 9 found great deal clifford delta car alarm , 450 installed comes glass break sensor , motion detector , shock detector anyone one alarms \? good \? looks , best market price 's also sale , 's another reason get think 'll saving almost 200 opinions \? eric lucas
ward cs uiuc edu \( christ ward \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 49 vmcms csuohio edu writes article jus news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu \( f \) writes article news ysu edu , ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim , agree , abominations , right along fake continental spare tire kit 's sad watching little old ladies try load groceries trunk huge tire way pitiful fake convertible top cadillac , chrome door trim still visible fooling anyone course , hyundai excel saw seen supreme coupe \( \) vinyl roof , ditto taurus shoot owners , , 's late gets better 've seen 4 door escort , chevy 10 blazer , even chevy astro mini van mini van w fake convertible top something want see eating ! better yet 's town wire wheels , vinyl roof , tacky paint job continental spare \( showing wire wheel within , course \) i'm scared look inside seen rolling road glad n't ate bob lady luck must wonderful girl csuohio edu 's never friend mine ! vmcms csuohio edu alan parsons project 3b1 lives ! chris ward dod n't take life seriously , never come alive \?
spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) subject mow bodycount organization u c berkeley erl lines 17 nntp posting host zion berkeley edu thoughts going count gorgeous bodies mow \? press \? white house staff \? junior senator \? king motss bi \? curious whose bias going see numbers get brought probably , law enforcement people \( park service police c cops \) , use aerial photographs extrapolate based density crowd small regions sort techniques derive army intelligence cia methods estimating troop strength , tend skewed always come inflated numbers , justify bigger budgets steve
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject sunrise sunset times organization express access online communications usa lines 18 nntp posting host access digex net article news umbc edu rouben math umbc edu \( rouben rostamian \) writes length daylight varies time year experiment various choices latitudes tilt angles compare behavior function locations arctic circle want fun plug basic formulas lotus use spreadsheet auto calc , graphing functions produce bar graphs based latitude , tilt hours day light avg pat
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject unconventional peace proposal organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 22 article 1483500348 igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes 1 idea providing financial incentives selected forms partnership marriage , conventional however , based concept affirmative action , recognized legitimate form public policy reverse perverse effects segregation discrimination people already shown rediculous proposal however , wanted point many people think affirmative action either intelligent productive supposedly helps discriminatory proposal based likely bunk well adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject canadiens another stanley cup \? \? \? organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 35 rauser sfu ca rauser fraser sfu ca \( richard john rauser \) writes pereira cam org \( dean pereira \) writes kind team montreal , take cup easily problem right everyone trying steal show play alone need massive teamwork known savard syndrome talking denis , serge team ever win squat likes denis savard lineup also little slump long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude died last tuesday rough everybody worked organization 21 years know excuse habs manage get good teamwork get spirit , problem winning may could tell savard stay home watch games tv agree also think roy needs good kick sometimes horrible 4 0 loss capitals last week ! 's cup 23 year ! sounds like 12 cordially , always , rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject clipper considered harmful distribution inet organization bell laboratories lines 19 article agate berkeley edu , shirriff sprite berkeley edu \( ken shirriff \) writes imagine archiving pay phone conversations , someone turns drug dealer , listen past drug deals archive calls suspected mafia members , potential terrorists , radicals , etc imagine convenience police able get warrant listening calls world trade center bombers made past year since archiving would powerful tool easy , would n't happen \? apart storage search requirements , evidence wiretaps require warrant soon one case comes light , previous cases likely discovered , thrown article ny times months ago many convictions state might invalidated relied pen registers court appeals ruled pen registers equivalent wiretaps , hence required warrants new york law
toml blade boulder parcplace com \( tom lastrange \) subject repost accelerators translations keywords accelerator , case reply toml boulder parcplace com organization parcplace boulder lines 68 article 1993apr22 telesoft com , trevor telesoft com \( trevor ignite \) writes sdennis aa cad slb com sdennis osf org writes posted ago n't receive one reply , another bug report subject anybody help \? problem motif uses xgrabkey implement menu accelerators , grabs specific modifiers apply unfortunately , specification xgrabkey n't allow combined modifiers , exactly would desired case ctrl key q ora vol 6 , section accelerators says information specify translation tables see vol 4 , know put xmnaccelerator resource go vol 4 says , likewise , modifier specified , nothing prohibit modifiers present well example , translation shift key q quit \( \) take effect even ctrl key held time shift key \( q key \) true accelerators mnemonics , implemented using event handlers instead grabs 's true menu accelerators 're motif implementor , 'd suggest lobbying get xlib semantics changed support feature described otherwise , change documentation menu accelerators properly set user 's expectations , menu accelerators thing translations possible supply 1 accelerator menu entry \? mean menu accelerator , 's possible 's according definition xmnaccelerator resource manual page keep mind answering question using motif ca n't use \( \) ca n't think reason ensure accelerators work independent case \? want ctrl ctrl accelerators one menu entry find thread motif accelerators amazing writing interface keyboard accelerators , would one resource called accelerators took translation table , period would also implement programmer never work get accelerators installed soon end user specified one , would active automatically installed get multiple accelerators single menu item 'd something like accelerators override n ctrl key fire \( \) n shift key l fire \( \) n accelerators would work exactly like translations would automatically see ctrl show object world motif stuff complicated many different special cases depending type widget 're dealing \? reason sorry political tone message tom lastrange toml boulder parcplace com
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject zionism racism nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr apr 25 05 27 00 1993 lines 76 center policy research cpr subject zionism racism diaspora 'a julian lindsay jewish chronicle , london , 22 dec 1989 leading israeli author cultural commentator , b yehoshua , launched ferocious attack diaspora jewry zionist youth council meeting north london , last week diaspora , claimed , cancer connected main tissue jewish people failure act holocaust said diaspora 's religious secular leadership ignored warning signs 1920s , opposed zionism consequently , considered holocaust , failure judaism talk , entitled diaspora solution , covered 5 , 000 years jewish history mr yehoshua 's targets included soviet jews , said staying israel , running away , jews outside israel using people 's countries like hotels conclusion could draw diaspora immoral , looked israel identity lived elsewhere worse , threatened israel , creating distraction citizens , leaving thousands mr yehoshua , described soldier , ended calling creation new total jew , living israel earlier , speaking meeting jewish students difficulties forging national identity israeli literature , mr yehoshua claimed israeli writers paralyzed country 's political situation said israel 's wars provided writers vital source inspiration today , israeli writers avoided writing directly arab israeli conflict major work produced intifada instead , writers tackling themes jewish identity , israel personal family issues mr yehoshua admitted also felt unable write israeli political situation could longer step israeli arab 's shoes portray real flesh blood character claimed 40 years statehood , problem israeli identity solved said jews remained pre occupied borders identity jew non jew , concerned nature identity jewish values israel embraced every aspect daily life , unlike diaspora , jews responsibility country lived , said warned modern hebrew , unifying force jewish people , would struggle future , especially literary circles faced fierce competition english language
mechanical watstar uwaterloo ca \( stefan \) subject crappy honda lines 24 organization university waterloo hi , small question bike fairly experienced bmw mz mechanic , n't know think honda using much oil last 5000 km \( trip daytona bike week spring \) , sudden , smoke like hell running one cylinder towed bike home took apart , everything looks perfect working order cracks heads pistons , cylinder walls look clean , wear pistons cylinders measurable still within factory specs thing could find , however , slightly bigger ring gap right cylinder \( one problem \) , still way wear limit given manual bike \? \? \? else could cause problem \? \? \? cylinder walls \( make little cross pattern \) order get better breaking new rings \? \? \? wo n't increase wear pistons \? \? please send comments mechanical watstar uwaterloo ca thanks advance stefan german exchange student n't poke privacy !
trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) subject atheists hell organization university nebraska omaha lines 52 atterlep vela acs oakland edu writes hello , seen two common threads running postings atheists newsgroup , think used explain unfortunately n't direct quotes handy 1 \) atheists believe die , die forever true point ask buddhist atheist 2 \) god would condemn fail believe eternal death unfair n't see problem ! christians , hell , definition , eternal death exactly atheists expecting die 's reason hell especially awful people , eternal death bad enough actually , yes , hell eternal death actually , way 've related , 's eternal damnation , sinners feel flames hell supposedly feel flames , would assume i'm still alive , suffering away god literal interpreters bible problem view , since bible talks fires hell personally , n't think people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat state ments metaphorical believe jehovah 's witnesses similar view , body sleeps ever n't problem condemned hell either way see , god wants punish honest skepticism \( , saying n't exist \) , certainly would n't changing nature besides , would rather spend eternity hell beside god heaven knowing even one man would spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings stephen atheist libertarian pro individuality pro responsibility jr jazz
34aej7d cmuvm bitnet followups talk politics guns subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa 1993apr19 msuvx2 memst edu lines 11 ah yes , see liberal weenies come woodwork defend burning children probably drooled watching tv coverage probably like nazi germany , well oh yeah , atf fbi claims , according media , survivors number seems vary minute minute
andrei univ orleans fr \( andrei \) subject program pc keyboard \? organization university orleans , france lines 17 hi , heard somewhere exist programmable keyboards , eg one program displays keys show specific characters , et c mean way transmitting non trivial data kb \( opposed standard numlock , specs \) inside pc software \? found corresponding reference specs pc kb interface anyone ideas \? \( except may encode data sequences standard commands mentioned , would n't look neat , besides , would one xt \? \) great thanks advance , andrew
ralf iqsc com \( ralf \) subject items sale organization iq software corp lines 24 items sale price listed best offer ! ! ! ! ! ! ! svga monitor 1024x768 non interlaced 14 screen , still warranty ! \( brand new \) 290 00 1200 baud compuadd modem box docs software 20 00 cga monitor cga parallel card 30 00 sco unix v3 2 2 unlimited user os , base extended utilities , uucp 150 00 turbo c turbo c complete reference book 15 00 serial card 1 serial port 10 00 joystick , three button 10 00 ide controller 2 serial , 1 parallel one game port 2 available 10 \( 210 \) 545 , ask ralf
arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) subject aclu \( waco shootout \) organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 17 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu paul hager hagerp cs indiana edu writes 2nd amendment say keep bear bear defined mean carry , people physically unable carry several hundred pound nuclear device understand , sub nuclear man portable carried backpack recall , 60 's kennedy administration sub nuclear weapons withdrawn europe destroyed man portable made use shoulder mount rocket launchers smallest nuclear test 've seen data 1 \( yes , one tenth \) weapon tested either late 40 's early 50 's aaron arc cco caltech edu
cash convex com \( peter cash \) subject need advice doctor patient relationship problem nntp posting host zeppelin convex com organization x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 16 article athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes sounds though heart 's right place , adept expressing received meant profound apology apologies delivered overworked shy people often come like heart \? jerk n't heart , beats 're apologizing book , behavior like , inexcusable , beyond pale 's overworked , 's 's busy bucks likely , likes push women around 'd fire b , get another doctor die welt ist alles , ist peter cash \( apologies ludwig wittgenstein \) cash convex com
jtchern ocf berkeley edu \( joseph hernandez \) subject mlb standings scores thu , apr 15th , 1993 organization jtc enterprises sports division \( major league baseball dept \) lines 73 distribution world nntp posting host monsoon berkeley edu mlb standings scores thursday , april 15th , 1993 \( including yesterday 's games \) national west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road houston astros 05 03 625 5 3 5 00 03 05 00 atlanta braves 06 04 600 6 4 lost 1 03 03 03 01 san francisco giants 05 04 556 0 5 5 4 lost 1 02 01 03 03 los angeles dodgers 03 06 333 2 5 3 6 lost 3 00 02 03 04 colorado rockies 02 05 286 2 5 2 5 lost 3 02 03 00 02 san diego padres 02 06 250 3 0 2 6 lost 3 00 03 02 03 cincinnati reds 02 07 222 3 5 2 7 lost 3 01 02 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 08 01 889 8 1 5 05 01 03 00 pittsburgh pirates 06 02 750 1 5 6 2 3 03 02 03 00 st louis cardinals 06 02 750 1 5 6 2 2 04 02 02 00 new york mets 04 03 571 3 0 4 3 2 02 03 02 00 chicago cubs 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 1 01 02 03 03 montreal expos 03 05 375 4 5 3 5 lost 2 00 02 03 03 florida marlins 03 06 333 5 0 3 6 2 02 04 01 02 american west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 06 02 750 6 2 lost 1 04 02 02 00 california angels 05 02 714 0 5 5 2 3 03 02 02 00 oakland athletics 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 lost 1 04 02 00 01 seattle mariners 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 1 03 02 01 01 chicago white sox 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 1 02 03 02 01 minnesota twins 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 lost 1 01 02 03 02 kansas city royals 01 07 125 5 0 1 7 lost 2 01 05 00 02 american east boston red sox 06 02 750 6 2 2 02 00 04 02 new york yankees 05 03 625 1 0 5 3 2 02 00 03 03 toronto blue jays 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 lost 1 03 02 01 01 detroit tigers 03 04 429 2 5 3 4 1 01 00 02 04 cleveland indians 03 05 375 3 0 3 5 lost 2 02 01 01 04 milwaukee brewers 02 05 286 3 5 2 5 lost 4 00 02 02 03 baltimore orioles 02 06 250 4 0 2 6 1 00 02 02 04 yesterday's scores \( idle teams listed alphabetical order \) national league american league houston 9 baltimore 6 montreal 5 texas 5 pittsburgh 11 seattle 10 san diego 7 toronto 9 \( 10 \) chicago 6 cleveland 7 atlanta 0 boston 12 cincinnati 2 california 12 philadelphia 9 milwaukee 2 new york 6 kansas city 5 colorado 3 new york 6 florida 6 minnesota ppd san francisco 4 chicago rain st louis 2 detroit idle los angeles 1 \( 15 \) oakland idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
subject wanted restaurant equipment edu \( \) organization concurrent engineering research center nntp posting host cathedral edu lines 17 wanted restaurant equipment starting new restaurant 1 \) 4 6 burner stove 2 \) hot plate 3 \) 4 \) stainless steel tables , shelves etc 5 \) pots n number items interested , pl email , associate concurrent engineering research member technical staff center , west virginia university
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject easter 's name \? \( new testament double stan organization shell oil lines 36 article apr 14 03 09 10 1993 athos rutgers edu dsegard nyx cs du edu \( daniel segard \) writes argument would compelling ishtar eggs ishtar bunnies mix pagan fertility symbols worship pagan goddess fertility biblical belief \? would really lost drop word easter replace occurances resurrection sunday \? would show services called resurrection sunday services rather easter services \? another way view true celebration easter , resurrection lord true foundation world pagan practices either 1 true celebration resurrection , dim light forth people would recognize full truth manifested , 2 satanic intended deceive us would recognize truth manifested n't believe second argument , believe power resurrection , fulfillment incarnation , hope earlier parallel ideas religions clearly dim images truth resurrection paul states , see glass others serves purpose arguing darker lighter glass perfect \? god today imperfect , yet perfected gift , 're perfect larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
jamesf apple com \( jim franklin \) subject tracing license plates bdi cagers \? organization apple computer , inc lines 19 article 1993apr8 adobe com , cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) wrote good advice , course thanks , hesh time go back zen course imagine lily , gently floating still , darkened pool bdc volvo comes freeway lands top said pool ca n't win jim jim franklin jamesf apple com jim bob sons 1987 650 signature 1969 triumph 650 \( slalom champ \) low price quality workman dod 469 \( un \) ship call today free
stephens geod emr ca \( dave stephenson \) subject space advertising \( 2 2 \) nntp posting host ngis geod emr ca organization dept energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 15 sf advertising space romantic episode mead 's big ball wax lovers watching constellation pepsi cola rising horizon noting slipped cause strike inspiration article orbiting formation space mirrors published spaceflight 1986 reviews said seems technically feasible , could commercially viable aesthetically desirable \? days aesthetics count ones count ! dave stephenson geological survey canada ottawa , ontario , canada internet stephens geod emr ca
pp cbnewsl cb att com \( peter peng \) subject 1990 integra ls sale organization bell laboratories distribution nj keywords sale integra lines 15 1990 integra ls sale 5 speed , sunroof , rear , new tires 59 7k miles best offer call 908 949 908 938 4101 email att ! ! peng
marcus marcus meridian demon co uk subject sony 1304s problems info please ! x xxmessage id meridian demon co uk x xxdate sat , 17 apr 93 22 48 46 gmt nntp posting host meridian demon co uk organization sound impressions x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 33 anyone sony 1304s \? one , 's nice , however run 16 mode , picture wo n't go big end 1 gap either side , 5 top bottom suspect internal adjustment would fix anyone tried \? another problem sub brightness areas meant black \( main raster \) black real raster quite visible screen blanked severe , good screens used turn brightness contrast raster visible , real image virtually disappears ! raster size right use 1024 768 , 100dpi bit much ! oh , using rasterops card thanks marcus marcus meridian demon co uk marcus tel 081 852 marcus meridian demon co uk fax 081 244 used windows week , feel better
subject need help steroid research eis calstate edu \( thomas thompson \) organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 8 term paper steroids , actually scientist helped drug discovered joseph one researchers helped create steroids information person know research 1930 's already research local libraries , still need information instructor requiring resources computer networks please write back concerning subject , books , articles , etc , appreciated
cybernet cse fau edu \( jim \) subject new franchise name organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 31 new name florida panthers panther endangered species , mostly located couple years ago , license plates made panthers \( part revenue go protection fund \) name new president panthers announced today yesterday 's paper , huizenga 's new hockey team take ice miami arena fall team guaranteed two year lease arena , four one year options could run 1999 's choice , james , lawyer huizenga aid said ruling arena long term option nhl told us ca n't stay 's economically feasible one reason miami heat basketball team controls advertising revenue arena , reducing hockey team 's profit potential hockey team attracting arena site proposals broward , , palm beach counties leading site vacant land near joe robbie stadium , residents 10 days ago agreed drop opposition hockey arena , ending eight year battle wills compliments news sun sentinel jim g fitz
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject women 's jackets \? \( ed must daemon child ! ! \) nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs distribution usa lines 48 article 18f netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes article 1993apr14 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( john hensley \) writes beth dixon \( bethd netcom com \) wrote new duc 750ss n't , 'll go back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard \) wife looking jacket , men 's styles 's tried n't fit well fit shoulders arms , 're tight across chest , something like anyone suggestions \? i'm assuming v pilot , addition handy storage facilities , pretty decent fit company makes reasonable line women 's motorcycling stuff \? importantly , anyone boulder denver know shop bothers carrying \? lucky found jacket liked actually fits hg makes v pilot jackets , mine similar style made leather san jose bought one last two ever made finding decent womens motorcycling gear easy lot stuff 's everywhere , made fashion leather , made fit men , etc n't know shop area women rider friendly places san francisco san jose area , n't recommend buying clothing mail order hard tell 'll fit bates custom makes leathers might want call \( 're l \) get cost estimate type jacket wife interested large manufacturers like bmw h g sell women 's lines clothing decent quality , fit ago , noemi lisa talking starting business sort thing n't know finally decided beth seems johns h ft collins used carry honest god womens beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top
mini csd4 csd uwm edu \( \) subject wanted info image databases organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator mini csd4 csd uwm edu guess subject says would like references introductory material image databases please send pointers mini point cs uwm edu thanx advance ! mini mini point cs uwm edu mini csd4 csd uwm edu
eck panix com \( mark eckenwiler \) subject state justice organization nwo steering committee lines 52 1993apr15 143320 8618 desire wright edu , demon desire wright edu sez judge denied gm 's new trial motion , even though gm says two new witnesses said occupant truck dead impact , fire thoughts \? 's kind scary realize judges going start denying new trials even new evidence contradicts facts led previous ruling appear 's minor thing called interest means parties n't dragged court losing side discovers new evidence n't know , brett , suspect gm resources find many expert fact witnesses wanted trial started letting open case practically invitation every civil earth keep ace hole case verdict goes btw , federal criminal cases , rule 33 permit motion new trial based newly discovered evidence made within 2 years verdict \( emphasis mine \) 're trying make point criminal justice discussion little criminal trials david brock amusing wsj piece last week save breath judge decided new witnesses believed \? n't jury \? yup shoulda brought around first time members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias gm \? n't enough judge old verdict call new trial \? whatever happened jurors objective \? unless 's reason believe supposed bias trial \( opposed product \) , gm unfairly prevented discovering \( otherwise \) , gm allowed complain \? moral always choose right sort parents start rough george ade mark eckenwiler eck panix com ! cmcl2 ! panix ! eck
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jay lorenzana uicvm uic edu subject eagle talon tsi lemon \? lines 22 dear netters looking buy used eagle talon '91 '91 tsi awd question '91 tsi awd mentioned april consumer reports car avoid ! particular , manual transmission , electrical system , brakes par \( models \) friend mine '90 tsi awd 2 brake jobs \( pads \) , one stuck valve , clutch transmission problem , something sticking grinding second gear n't seem bad one beats car willing suffer reliability speed looks seems pay big buck want three anyway anyone please let know like talon , problems may , repairs worth thanks responses ! jay
tas pegasus com \( len howard \) subject question agnostic organization pegasus , honolulu lines 18 hi damon , matter system explanation creation wish accept , always start one two premises , creation nothing , creation something alternatives accept one two premises , two alternatives , either creation random , according plan random , unable accept complex nature world organisms creatures could exist therefore left creation control intelligence capable devising scheme call intelligence god also prefer ex rather chaos , cleaner obviously way prove either neither must come somewhere choose whatever explanation feel comfortable , damon one live choice shalom , len howard
jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) subject new home bosox ! ! ! organization skidmore college , saratoga springs ny lines 19 agree , though 'd also happy stadium looks like new new park also made baseball unlike three rivers , vet , , etc , 's football park also play baseball 're multipurpose subject , let 's forget shea , designed accommodate mets jets first stadium \( think \) box seats rollers could oriented right angles baseball parallel football course , jets gone jersey \( truly good football stadium \) , mets saddled multipurpose stadium , 's circular , seats almost always far action mets announcers kiner murphy particular always hyped beautiful shea stadium , truly jay
g waugaman nac enet dec com \( glenn r waugaman \) subject 've found secret ! article nntpd 1993apr15 organization digital equipment corporation lines 23 article 1993apr15 cs cornell edu , tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes red sox first place \? eight games season , already two wins clemens viola clemens starts tonight , three days rest 's \? sox going four man rotation \? hesketh used relief last night \? clemens going normal four days' rest \( last pitched saturday \) hesketh pitched one inning yesterday afternoon , first outing since aborted 1 1 3 inning start 6 days , plenty rested go expected turn saturday , 5th starter good thing , course 'd like see well managed four man rotation team glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation , g waugaman nac enet dec com
lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu \( lee lady \) subject science methodology summary merely avoiding mistakes n't get anywhere organization university hawaii \( mathematics dept \) expires mon , 10 may 1993 10 00 00 gmt lines 57 article 1993apr11 sbcs sunysb edu mhollowa ic sunysb edu \( michael holloway \) writes article ggb news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu \( lee lady \) writes would also like point arguments science sci med , sci psychology , etc cases people rejecting scientific argument evidence proof cases adequate scientific research done \( cases , quite bit evidence , n't format fit conceptions science \) indicates confusion proof process science making precisely one points wanted make fully agree big distinction process science end result end result science , one wants get results objectively verifiable nothing objective process science good empirical research done showed merit homeopathic remedies , would certainly valuable information would still mean homeopathy qualifies science disagree turpin order science , one must theoretical structure makes sense , mere collection empirically validated random hypotheses experiment empirical studies important part science , merely scientific research important part true scientific methodology scientific thinking without , one hypotheses worth testing \( , hypotheses leap look enough data simply come flash one day 're looking window least unless 've done lot really good thinking beforehand \) difference nobel prize level scientist mediocre scientist lie quality empirical methodology depends quality thinking really bothers many graduate students seem believe science merely conducting empirical studies bothers even many fields , certain parts psychology , seems thinking , mere studies testing ad hoc hypotheses i'm especially offended russell turpin 's repeated assertion science amounts nothing avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes n't get anywhere arguments behaviorists cognitivists , psychology seems less like science collection competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet
jks2x holmes acc virginia edu \( jason k schechner \) subject foot switches sale organization university virginia lines 11 2 foot switches sale 're great guitar amps , keyboards 1 diameter 6' \( \) cable 'd like 15 , make offer , knows jason settle , raise family join pta , buy sensible shoes , chevrolet party 'till 're broke drag away 's ok al yankovic
tommc hpcvusj cv hp com \( tom mcfarland \) subject mysterious beeping nntp posting host hpcvusj cv hp com reply tommc cv hp com organization hewlett packard corvallis lines 41 article wp cup hp com , defaria cup hp com \( andy defaria \) writes article crossposted hp windows author andy defaria posted mon , 19 apr 1993 18 08 38 gmt reason following code causes x application beep whenever intercept keystroke change 's meaning intent code allow date fields following special keys tt insert today 's date bump day one bump day one hardcoded dates example perhaps n't using xmtext field reason following code beeps whenever special keys tt hit \? idea code interpret keys special meaning implied code would like get rid beeping , far tell , i'm beep lose understanding beeping occuring code deleted xmtextfield man page \( discussion resources \) specifies whether bell sound action reversed verification callback setting doit false callback , text field beeping turn behavior , set boolean resource false tom mcfarland tommc cv hp com
davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) subject happy easter ! organization computer science dept , qmw , university london x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 37 nick pettefar \( npet bnr ca \) wrote kevinh , tue , 20 apr 1993 13 23 01 gmt wibbled jonathan quist yes , 's minor blasphemy u companies would \? \? likes , jaguar , \( sob \) lotus 's outright sacrilege rr non british ownership 's fundamental thing lotus looks set management gm n't happy elan late pricey write elan development costs may able sell sensible price think legal clause rr name , regardless owns must british company owner e ba sell company name kevinh hasler ascom ch n't believe ba anything rr 's seperate company rr aero engine company 's vickers rolls royce cars yes kevin posts , morgan use sliding pillar front suspension ob bike \( long bleeding last \) pettefar get mail address list \? dave david edmondson davide dcs qmw ac uk queen mary westfield college dod guzzi le mans 1000 means end horse drawn zeppelin
dfl math wayne edu \( david lane \) subject rbi 's \( notes jays indians \) organization wayne state university math department , detroit distribution na lines 23 article 1993apr15 news acns nwu edu edo casbah acns nwu edu \( edward \) writes , rbi worthless stat course , stolen bases sometimes runners front player would otherwise run course pitchers pitch differently different people different bases , batting average , slugging obp , hmmm guess homers would count , either point \? rbi might perfect stat nothing stat \( lack \) tell clutch hitters maybe stat tell , either , people know ! ! ! 8 \) would want use rbi \? rbi attempt measure combination clutch hitting power hitting believe clutch hitting , look guy hit risp want see good slugger , look slugging average terms evaluating players , rbi totals better nothing use many better stats \? david lane dfl math wayne edu go tigers , lions , pistons , red wings ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
ux4 cso uiuc edu \( oscar b robles \) subject forsale new software organization university illinois urbana lines 10 bought calculator month ago , used put back box includes manual i'm including 7 high density disks packed dozens hundreds games programs need buy pc cable around 20 bucks could use software 255 shipping included best offer thanx l
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject studies book mormon lines 31 organization walla walla college lines 31 article enkidu mic cl agrino enkidu mic cl \( andres grino brandt \) writes agrino enkidu mic cl \( andres grino brandt \) subject studies book mormon date sun , 18 apr 1993 14 15 33 cst hi ! n't know much mormons , want know serious independent studies book mormon n't buy 'official' story gold original taken heaven , n't read book mormon \( much work learning biblical hebrew \) , appreciate comment results study style , vocabulary , place names , internal consistency , example evidence one writer multiple writers \? mention events , places , historical persons later discovered archeologist \? andres grino brandt santiago 21 agrino enkidu mic cl chile hay mas que la , la es su n't think book mormon supposedly translated biblical hebrew 've read prophet joseph smith gold tablets sort egyptian ish language former mormons , please post tammy trim healy
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject gun control organization stratus computer , inc lines 87 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr16 beaver cs washington edu , graham cs washington edu \( stephen graham \) writes article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article 1993apr14 beaver cs washington edu , graham cs washington edu \( stephen graham \) writes john q public gun protected \? 's worth noting us vs miller sustained miller 's conviction possession illegal firearm , noting sawed shotgun proper militia weapon , noted one claimed proper militia weapon \( despite used least two wars \) true , since neither miller lawyer appeared court sustain miller 's conviction \? n't text case handy miller convicted owning sawed shotgun paying nfa tax court 's decision second amendment intended assure continuation render possible effectiveness force militia must interpreted applied end view militia includes males physically capable acting concert common defense however , regarding sawed shotguns , certainly within judicial notice weapon part ordinary military equipment use could contribute common defense judicial notice term art meant evidence formally presented different claiming ruled n't yes , shotguns used wwi , spanish american war , us civil war question possession sawed shotgun , e , weapon altered improve i'm talking plain shotguns war i'm talking short \( sawed \) shotguns war compare revolutionary war spanish american war trench cleaners ww also put good use us soldiers ww ii , mention invaluable tunnel rats vietnam , , course , miller took place 1939 therefore , us vs miller supports limited government regulation firearms n't go arguing road unless willing abide consequences find end mainly , law abiding common man right weapon militia purpose , handguns sawed shotguns fully automatic weapons , fact , decision says free produce evidence i'm willing abide implications seem arguing certain types guns fall outside scope second n't useful argument unless believe significant gun class gun belongs class think agree zip guns probably n't protected maybe also agree weapons random state governments banning trying ban sporting purpose citizen would ever need guns fall protection second , given damn near gun practical utility time used military , even marksmanship training purposes , need understand intent pressing point , arguing something protected second n't whole heartedly endorse nra position mean oppose rkba attitude makes nra unpopular often , makes someone unpopular people say much us fear abhor branch davidians six months ago \? many us feared saddam hussein five years ago \? cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject iisi clock upgrades organization university washington lines 8 nntp posting host carson u washington edu read one report brave soul 40 mhz clock higher speed clock oscillator 's outputs double throw switch allow different speeds mention attempts switch speeds fly si uses timing loops anything like quadra accessing floppy drive , dynamic switching havoc quadra must reboot clock speed significantly changed unable properly access floppy drive
ron hpfcso fc hp com \( ron miller \) subject boston gun buy back organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 18 gun denver buy back , trading guns denver tickets pretty much bust guns turned news tried hype best could including loaded 38 well , get picture side note news also reported guns would checked whether stolen stolen guns returned owners ! ! ! ! ! \( say \) \( anything rally capital steps yesterday support rkba \? \? \? \? \) even rally made 5 pm news 3 channels \) ron miller
bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) subject ducati 400 opinions wanted organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 42 article srgenprp sr hp com frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) writes godfrey digiorgi \( ramarren apple com \) wrote ducati 400 model essentially reduced displacement 750 , means weighs size 750 far less power produced specifically meet vehicle tax restriction ducati 750 model essentially reduced displacement 900 , means weighs size 900 far less power less brakes bzzzt 750ss 40 pounds lighter 900ss personally , recently , witnessed 750ss larger average rider aboard said took two fingers single front disk accomplish task much brake need \? , 's somewhat large overweight motor still handle magnificently , wo n't fast flaws mention limited steering lock annoyance noted testers mirrors n't perfect n't gone 4000 rpm yet \( still break \) n't problem 750ss slow limited steering lock problem n't prepared mirrors good , imho someone forgot tell designer behind , philosophy hewlett packard \( 707 \) 794 3844 fax , \( 707 \) 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 , xt350 , seca 750 , '62 f 100 , pl510 hmmmm n't see 400 , 750 900ss sig miss something \? beth beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top
jer prefect cc bellcore com \( , janice e \) subject sinus vs migraine \( sinus endoscopy \) organization bellcore , livingston , nj summary headaches analgesics lines 95 noticed several years ago took analgesics fairly regularly , \( time \) , seemed get lot migraines forgotten started reading posts generally n't take tylenol headaches , 've found ineffective however , two pain sources force take \( currently naprosyn \) first , pelvic pain get beginning period , much worse surgery endometriosis past \( 12 years ago \) , drs tell pain probably due endometriosis coming back 've tried , reduced pain took \( 3 mos \) , pain returned immediately stopped three doctors suggested real solution problem although n't expect children , n't like idea uterus one remaining ovary removed \( first ovary removed surgery endometriosis \) one drs suggested get expert laser surgery , perhaps thinks type procedure worthwhile women still plan children basically i'm left pain would impossible without naprosyn \( something similar aspirin , n't work , gave horrible years ago , i'm \) fact , naprosyn works well eliminating pain take regularly severe back pain \( pain legs \) 'll discuss moment generally though , wait pain take naprosyn , takes several hours reduce pain \( 's actually quite effective reducing pain , takes quite \) meantime i'm frequently severe pain pain source chronic lower back pain resulting bilateral 've mris , , ct scan , \( 've 2 , n't intend ever \) nerve tests tests conclusive causing back leg pain mri reports say several , disks , \( mri , think \) apparent arthritis reading ct scan two \( l3 l4 , l4 l5 \) , others hav looked films concluded second emg nerve studies shows significant denervation compared first emg oh yeah , horrible test , called something like response showed internal nerves working fine anyway , bottom line sometimes severe pain legs back pain back pain time , live leg pain , need anti inflammatory medication reduce pain level work took naprosyn regulary 6 9 months \( every time tried stop leg pain got worse , 'd always resume \) since last november taken much less frequently , primarily pelvic pain going physical therapy last 8 months \( 2 3 times week \) first month , therapist put pelvic traction \( tried earlier , caused lot pain back , time tried lower weight \) month two , pain legs began going away \( traction caused discomfort lower back , could reduced ultrasound massage \) , n't nearly much pain legs , fact therapist took traction 2 weeks ago getting back original reason post even avoid taking headaches , really ca n't avoid entirely pain sources , force use \( oh , forgot mention suggested back surgery , i'm avoiding \) find migraines difficult deal , occassionally take work , usually work , reduced capacity \( i'm systems engineer lot reading writing \) pelvic pain bad , ca n't concentrate much , usually end jumping chair every minutes , pain bothersome pain back bad , cause severe burning legs , shooting pains legs , electric shock type pain feet toes , basically gets bad ca n't really sit end spending time home bed even analgesics contribute migraines , migraines tolerable pain sources get lot migraines , average 3 4 month , last 1 3 days 've taken cafergot \( first time really got reduced dosage \) , n't like side effects \( take two get \) get bad headache , eventually take cafergot neurologist n't helpful told problems cafergot , said sumatriptan becomes available , try 've tried several medications \( , , , , \) either n't work , could n't tolerate \? doctor 's seem satisfied trying tolerate pain , agree time , lot pain 've bad experiences surgery \( heart stopped anesthesia told likely \) , 've already surgery several times anyway , point i'm saying even analgesics contribute migraines , people need take tolerate pain janice
sdc boeing com \( gerald edgar \) subject help construct home built battery 3rd grade sci report keywords 3rd grade science report distribution usa organization boeing computer services \( esp \) , seattle , wa lines 15 nntp posting host crystal making batteries could use copper zinc acid electrolyte copper copper wire \( pennies mostly zinc recall correctly \) zinc zinc strip \( hardware stores arround \( seattle \) sell prevent moss buildup roof alternative would use galvanized \( zinc coated \) nail electrolyte lemon juice acid active \( sp \) \( late 18th century scientist \) used stack batteries copper disk , paper disk soaked acid , zinc disk , copper disk , paper advanced technology time gerald edgar atc boeing com opinions expressed communication may reflect employer
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject gun like american express card lines 77 organization university tennessee division continuing education article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes n't remember figures exactly , 3500 deaths texas 1991 caused guns firearm related beeing killed car accidents ! texas unusual regard would nice reduce , though texas n't appear murder rate much higher national average , would expect result much higher suicide rate suffer others nice n't suffer agree one , also live therefor 'll give 'freedom' \( note '' \) 's run problem perfectly willing government regulation something likely cause others harm 're discussing , though , extreme regulation large group order target small group , n't think 's appropriate insurance \? \? 'll pay others buy anything \? \? paying return goods , steal even gets bonus live people \? \? 'd want \( playing music loud \) , , justify anything \? point draw line \( least way thinking \) government must something little substantial set percentages punish individual draw line \? one \? one state \( n't remember , texas \? \? \) tried impose rule could buy one gun month think know happened virginia passed respect right defend , right inflict people \? seems like realize problem america , problem wo n't take car away drunk driver , hope cure first cute analogy u n't treat drunk driving like serious crime however , also n't confiscate cars people drink also n't confiscate cars people drink drive 's core legal system order punish individual \( 'd call property confiscation punishment \) must evidence individual , n't enough show majority people convicted murder white order convict particular white guy murder hope life standard winnie poh huh \? david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
loki acca nmsu edu \( entropic destroyer \) subject need info 43 1 suicide refutation organization new mexico state university lines 26 distribution usa nntp posting host nmsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 entropic destroyer \( loki acca nmsu edu \) wrote seen numbers quoted , seen specific refutation quoted well someone kind email relevant information , write letter editor co daily \( might get published \) send copy wr well thanks responded letter written \( making liberal use info provided various net folks \) handed paper 'll post gets paper ! dan dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send something even ca n't read begin pgp public key block version 2 1 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block
watson ibm com subject contraceptive pill reply zurich ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host zurich ibm com organization watson research center lines 9 simple question seems contraceptive pill prevents ovule nest vagina forces fall every month prevent ovule true \? yes , risk extra pregnancy , development ovule inside tube \? j zurich ibm com
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject go hezbollah ! nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 25 article apr16 yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes article 2bce0918 6105 news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article apr15 175334 72079 yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes view entire matter far serenely one sided selectively naive oooh hurts suffer naive one sided views mine please skip articles future oh wise tim , good day basil point throwing one sided viewpoints \( means ignoring side 's perspective experience legitimacy \) assuming side possesses faults bears negative impacts particular event \? n't former \? n't latter naive \? feel opinion wrong please tell strategic withdrawal cover snide remark seems favored tactic net n't accomplish anything
pchurch swell actrix gen nz \( pat churchill \) subject eye dominance organization actrix networks lines 21 article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com \( richard silver \) writes right eye dominance \( eyedness \? \) overall right handedness population \? mean people require less lens corrections one eye \? , kinds percentages attached \? long sighted eye short sighted eye right eye tends cut look distant things , left eye close specs balance things bit could without thought , one way another , would always able see clearly unfortunately middle age ugly head longer see close objects clearly maybe 's arms getting shorter \) floggings continue morale improves pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill , wellington new zealand
cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) subject impeach clinton , reno organization michigan tech lines 29 nntp posting host phy mtu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 21 apr 93 02 59 52 gmt , glenn r stone \( gs26 prism gatech edu \) wrote fact federal felony infringe civil rights color law death involved , offense carries penalty life prison title 18 , 241 242 seem apply 241 conspiracy \( two persons \) rights citizens 242 deprivation rights color law call life prison death occurs reno , bentsen , clinton probably principals crime \( responsible authorized actions part subordinates \) conclusion choice , honest people , impeach mr clinton , remove reno office forgot one detail , turned texas authorities trial , crime committed \( article 4 , section 2 \) charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physics , michigan tech , houghton , mi 49931 government little great things , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson , 1821
thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) subject swimming pool defense reply thf2 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 17 article dasmith husc harvard edu dasmith husc8 harvard edu \( david smith \) writes granted , simple fact holding job improve kids' chances getting another job future , inner city kid would want hold one minimum wage job much money made dealing drugs \? suburban kid would want hold minimum wage job much money made dealing drugs \? yet , somehow , kids hold minimum wage jobs inner city kids , give chance reason think inner city kids incapable legitimate work \? ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu i'm sorry , card says moops u c law school standard disclaimers
klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) subject , newsgroup dead \? organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host tommy informatik uni dortmund de article tgv com , mahan tgv com \( patrick l mahan \) writes 've gotten posts group last couple days \( recently added feed list \) , group near death \? seen mailing list side , i'm getting right amount traffic seen point view , get far much articles keep lucky scan subjects time time dipl inform rainer klute r b immer richtig beraten univ dortmund , irb postfach 500500 \) tel 49 231 755 4663 w4600 dortmund 50 fax 49 231 755 2386 new address june 30th univ dortmund , 44221 dortmund
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject jemison star trek \( better ideas \) organization express access online communications usa lines 11 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr25 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes better idea use nasa shuttle astronauts crew found lost space accident worm hole space time glitch maybe age jemison years \( makeup \) failed shuttle mission got lost course mission able launch \)
phoenix princeton edu ! carlosn \( carlos g niederstrasser \) subject reboot start windows originator news nimaster nntp posting host week princeton edu organization princeton university lines 21 recently following problem first time turn computer windows starts \( autoexec \) win31 title screen computer reboots usually second time \( reboot \) dos prompt everything works fine far remember changed config sys bat win ini ca n't remember whether problem occured optimized defragmented disk created larger swap file \( thank mathcad 4 \( \) system 386sx , 4mb , stacker 2 0 , win31 , dos 5 carlos g niederstrasser two things infinite , princeton planetary society universe human stupidity , i'm sure former einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu ad astra per
fmsalvat eos ncsu edu \( frank michae salvatore \) subject patrick division correction ! originator fmsalvat 106ps eos ncsu edu reply fmsalvat eos ncsu edu \( frank michae salvatore \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 22 article 93105 psuvm psu edu , robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes well , little predictions ! one , n't count devils scoring 6 goals tonight 6 6 tie , hence , goes streak ! secondly , n't count islanders getting 1 point 4 whalers two games , isles capitals new 1 penguins vs 4 islanders penguins 6 7 2 capitals vs 3 devils devils 7 pay predictions heed , considering could n't even predict proper matchups \? maybe try weather instead frank salvatore fmsalvat eos ncsu edu
haston utkvx utk edu \( haston , donald wayne \) subject church related graphics news software vax vms vnews 1 41 keywords christian graphics organization university tennessee computing center lines 13 looking good quality graphics files suitable use church related presentations prefer vector , anything would helpful know bulletin boards collections nature , commercial products , please inform email haston utkvx utk edu wayne haston
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject tapped , code good organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 18 article 1qpg8finn982 dns1 nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes yes , evil guys fbi probably , effort , abuse system got news , evil guys fbi decide want persecute , 're gonna , 're gonna hate fact , fbi n't want listen phone calls , , 're using triple des , 'll get parabolic microphone point head anyway , somehow , mean smart make job easier first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
stssdxb st unocal com \( dorin baru \) subject deriving pleasure death organization unocal corporation lines 26 peter garfiel freeman writes \( way , applaud killing human , including prisoners sentenced death illustrious justice department \) peace marc boy , really stupid person justice department sentence people death 's state courts , get brain peter , think ridiculous stupidity measure well someone knows judicial system guess marc meant death penalty matter meant , statement justified regards , dorin
hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) subject go hezbollah ! reply hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) organization ncsu chem eng lines 132 article news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article 1993apr16 130037 18830 ncsu edu , hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes article 2bce0918 6105 news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes suggesting , guerillas use population cover , israel totally back \? easiest way get away attacking another use innocent shield hope respects innocent lives \? tell tim , guerillas wrong \? assuming using civilians cover , assuming \? also come , brad going get anywhere \( \) discussion , n't help bring elements never addressed , commented way made comment right wrong , civilians used cover , placed israelis guerillas , injured parties continue fight pardon tim , see possible idf fail detect presence responsible planting bomb killed three idf troops later know exact number whereabouts several villages shelled could idf possibly known targetted villages \? see , arbitrary act retaliation buffer zone prevent attacks israel , working \? neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages \? kill try infiltrate buffer zone \? see , shelling villages called retaliation getting back getting even n't make sense shell villages least shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians agree always thought israel 's bombing bombing policy stupid , , inhumane ineffective , reason israel passive wait attackers chose act every reason believe taking fight enemy stop attacks said previously , israel spent several decades sitting passively side border acting stop attacks attackers entered israeli territory n't work well host arab state little nothing try stop attacks side border israel number attacks considerably higher , physical psychological impact civilians caught path problem , tim , original reason invasion palestinian attacks israel , lebanese attacks \? whole bit attacks israel neighboring arab states start \? also hope happen , occur arab states show prepared take responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove \( provide guaratees \) , way israel going accept word past attitude tolerance towards anti israel guerillas residence israel willing accept word others , imho , business wasting others' time coming peace talks another selectively applied statement reason drawn impasse palestinians israelis neither side willing accept word criteria everyone stay away negotiations precisely palestinians \( recent pisga proposal interim period negotiations leading full autonomy \) demanding conditions essentially define autonomy already trust israel follow entire process allow palestinians reach full autonomy understand accept viewpoint palestinians \? , israel 's view arabs palestinians different \? trust arab words \? since n't , reluctant give tangible assets \( land , control areas \) exchange words reason , also concerned sorts guarantees arabs follow part agreement reached first , believe statement applies sides said , think neccessary separate legitimately negotiable example , country right abuse one 's human rights deciding whether one two states palestine legitimate question de facto one state exists , israel must treat within domain tim , ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel except times idf burned sheikh mosavi , wife , young son major armaments \( allowing people wage civil wars \) removed , weapons needed cross border attacks still remain extent rocket attacks still continue , commando raids require easily concealed weapons refined disregard human life \( others \) attacks also continue yes , afraid say true still justify occupying neighbor 's land israel must resolve disputes native palestinians wants peace attacks course , israel would withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages would n't make lebanese mad bat guano situation call existed 1970s attacks commonplace true lebanese attacking israel 1970s strong lebanese government \( free syrian israeli interference \) believe border could adequately patrolled palestinian heavy weapons past years see significant threat existed please , tim , n't fall trap treating lebanese palestinians part group many think arabs muslims many times seen people support bombing palestinian camps retaliation idf death hands lebanese resistance shelling lebanese villages retaliation palestinian attack tim
bocaraton ibm com \( thomas chun hong kok \) subject moolit olit organization ibm austin lines 12 article netcom com , netcom com \( steve davidson \) writes anyone know difference moolit olit \? sun support moolit \? moolit available sparcstations \? moolit \( motif open look intrinsic toolkit allows developers build applications switch motif open look run time , olit gives open look internet vnet ibm com
subject vhs movie sale koutd hirama hiram edu \( douglas kou \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hirama hiram edu lines 13 vhs movie sale dance wovies \( 12 00 \) tape new open , buyer pay shipping cost interested , please send offer koutd hirama hiram edu thanks , douglas kou hiram college
asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) subject insurance discount summary two vehicles discount \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 26 , need answer pressing question two bikes would love keep one capable smooth street bike , low lightweight wide power great brakes beemer g , kind rough city great long road backroad good start stable , n't think 's going work unfortunately , insurance going short hairs unless insurance agent offers multi vehicle discount time cars , assuming 're capable driving one things time n't think 'll ever manage bikes ride tandem street \( turn left accelerate zephyr turn right accelerate beemer \) anybody know agency makes use simple fact discount rates \? state farm n't way , i'm moving bay area 'll insuring bikes , registering ease shock , somebody cost insuring \? tucson cost 320 \( full \) 200 \( liability \) two , per ,
wcl risc sps mot com \( wayne long \) subject problem running aix info sun rlogin shell organization motorola \( austin , tx \) lines 22 nntp posting host sps mot com run rs6000 's info utility remote login shell \( rlogin \) sun sparc 1 , longer type lower case info 's window prompt 's thought prob may due sun window mgr \( openlook \) incompatible aix motif application tried tvtwm also result presumably x11 key definition problem workstations system ignorance need able type lower case remote aix motif app within local openlook window manager \? wayne long internet wcl risc sps mot com 6501 william cannon drive west uucp cs texas edu ! oakhill ! risc ! wcl austin , texas 78735 8598 phone \( 512 \) 891 fax 891 3818
steveg cadkey com \( steve gallichio \) subject average player nhl organization cadkey , inc lines 41 nntp posting host access digex net , interrupt regularly scheduled news reading bring another message sponsored department really mundane statistics passed final individual player stats posted day filter average games , goals , assists , points , penalty minutes mythical average nhl pro played league season \( \? 's monday n't feel like writing real code \) anyway , wiped 60 odd goalies list , came nhl average 55 gp 11 g 19 30 pts 69 pim passed list second time come players smallest percentage difference categories marty \( nyi \) 56 gp \( 1 \) 10 g \( 9 \) 20 \( 5 \) 30 pts \( 0 \) 24 pim \( 65 \) igor kravchuk \( edm \) 55 gp \( 0 \) 10 g \( 9 \) 17 \( 10 \) 27 pts \( 9 \) 27 pim \( 53 \) two close games , goals , assists , points , far pim leaves , average player nhl bobby carpenter \( \) 65 gp \( 18 \) 11 g \( 0 \) 17 \( 10 \) 28 pts \( 6 \) 63 pim \( 8 \) honor also passed list goalies still included kravchuk carpenter still top three , rob came flying behind take title nhl average 53 gp 10 g 17 27 pts 64 pim igor kravchuk \( edm \) 55 gp \( 3 \) 10 g \( 0 \) 17 \( 0 \) 27 pts \( 0 \) 27 pim \( 50 \) bobby carpenter \( \) 65 gp \( 22 \) 11 g \( 10 \) 17 \( 0 \) 28 pts \( 3 \) 63 pim \( 1 \) rob \( tb \) 54 gp \( 1 \) 9 g \( 9 \) 15 \( 11 \) 24 pts \( 11 \) 62 pim \( 3 \) 's really kind think sg , back regularly scheduled programming
ckincy cs umr edu \( charles kincy \) subject bob putz cain \( pgp bs \) nntp posting host cs umr edu organization university missouri rolla , rolla , mo lines 21 article 1993apr16 natasha portal com bob natasha portal com \( bob cain \) writes charles kincy \( ckincy cs umr edu \) wrote article 1993apr16 natasha portal com bob natasha portal com \( bob cain \) writes oh , see , flame someone , tell immature , tell wrong , n't offer proof assertions really putz put shut provide proof wish private name , dickhead n't bother blaze cs jhu edu pretty much made pathetic ass lose pack bags go home putz cain well , shoe fits cpk
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject divine providence vs murphy 's law organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 19 article apr 19 05 13 28 1993 athos rutgers edu rolfe junior dsu edu \( tim rolfe \) writes romans 8 28 \( rsv \) know everything god works good love , called according purpose murphy 's law anything go wrong , quite familiar commentary murphy 's law romans 8 28 \? matter , appropriate humor contradicted scripture \? 've always taken murphy 's law , observation behavior complex systems , rather denial divine benevolence michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
damelio progress com \( stephen d'amelio \) subject changing oil self nntp posting host organization progress software corp lines 34 megatest com \( ha nguyen \) writes article 1993apr14 progress com damelio progress com \( stephen d'amelio \) writes bmoss grinch sim es com \( brent woody moss \) writes could take screw driver hammer start punching holes various locations black slippery stuff starts pouring would know oil drain plug nearby \( within foot two anyway \) close holes toilet paper oil though refill engine oil ! wow , wonder ca n't get engine last first oil change n't forget punch holes radiator , spray nice refreshing water engine keep nice cool \) steve gee , really make confused radiator \? located \? look like \? release radiation \( since sounds like tion tor \) punch holes \? course releases radiation ! thats car goes faster punch holes radiation gets engine gives pep \( scientific term \) get horsepower torque ! n't know hp torque , read mile long threads subject , wrong horsepower much power horse make pulling subaru , torque name invented craftsman wrench steve
reid ucs indiana edu \( frank reid \) subject \? \? ! ! lines 23 nntp posting host reid ucs indiana edu organization indiana university article mentor cc purdue edu thwang mentor cc purdue edu \( tommy hwang \) writes sorry mis spelling , forgot spell series exams hand reference still possible get cute wwii vw jeep wanna 's \? replica would great think '93 vw thing still manufactured mexico possibly south america good luck importing one probably n't meet us safety pollution requirements mechanics specialize vw might helpful finding thing unless wwii grabbed wwii german equivalent jeep , 4 wheel drive one display patton museum fort knox , kentucky , also rare \( sp \? \) version , full scale highly recommended ! frank reid ucs indiana edu
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject religious persecution , cultural oppression economical reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 161 article 1993apr21 news uiowa edu mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) writes may afraid anything act always like kind odds greek governments must held account sub human conditions turkish minority living western thrace brutal greek domination religious persecution , cultural oppression economical ex communication applied turkish population area dimensions human rights abuse widespread greece greece 's housing policies worry western thrace turks newly built houses belonging members minority community province , , said , destroyed province public works department dec 4 added received harsh treatment security forces demolition first demolition province 40 houses destroyed 1979 1984 members minority community made homeless , continued greece government rail roads two turkish ethnic deputies world human rights organizations scream , greeks persistently work removing parliamentary immunity dr sadik ahmet mr ahmet faikoglu 65 page confession , salman , former chief pkk operations confessed high level relations pkk , greece greek cypriot administration existed according , greek cypriot administration gives shelter pkk guerillas also supplies food weapons temporary camps set territory disclosed pkk three safe houses south cyprus , used terrorists camps , added , terrorists trained use various weapons including rpg 's anti aircraft guns purchased directly greek government greek cypriot government gone extent issuing special identification cards pkk members travel one region another without confronted legal obstacles 's account confirmed another pkk , tan , gave police spending four years pkk tan explained terrorists went training camps south cyprus , sometimes period 12 weeks torture greece hidden reality case 1 head covered hood tortured \( beating soles feet \) , electric shocks , threatened thrown window official medical report clearly documented torture case 2 , west german citizen midnight taken beach , chains put feet threatened thrown sea dragged along beach 1 5 km punched head kidneys back police station , beaten finger tips thin stick one fingertips split open case 3 torture case 4 brothers \( 16 \) christos \( 12 \) , \( 13 \) , \( 13 \) case 5 torture eight students thessaloniki police headquarters source british broadcasting corporation , summary world broadcasting july 6 , 1987 part 4 middle east , 1 abu nidal 's advisers reportedly training pkk asala militants cyprus nicosia , ankara , tel aviv israeli secret service , mossad , reported acquired significant information connection camps set mountains cyprus training militants pkk asala armenian secret army liberation armenia according sources close mossad , 700 kurdish , greek cypriot armenian militants undergoing training mountains southern cyprus sources stated abu nidal 's special advisers giving military training pkk asala militants camps added militants leave southern cyprus libya , lebanon , syria , greece iran completing training mossad established due clashes taking place among terrorist groups based syria , pkk asala organisations moved greek cypriot part cyprus , would comfortable also transferred number camps northern syria mountains mossad revealed armenian national movement , known mna , opened liaison offices nicosia , athens tripoli order meet needs camps offices used provide material support armenian camps meanwhile , leader popular front liberation palestine , george , reported ordered men participate operations carried pkk asala , described extreme racist , extreme nationalist fascist reliable sources said believed recent operations carried pkk militants show organisation band irregulars engaged extreme nationalist operations added instructed militants sever links pkk avoid established george expelled asala militants camp asala 's connections drug trafficking exposed source alan , 'u greece dispute terror , ' new york times , june 27 , 1987 , p 4 special new york times athens , june 26 dispute developed today athens washington united states intelligence reports saying athens , several months , conducted negotiations terrorist known abu nidal said contacts verified termed hard intelligence reports abu nidal leads palestinian splinter group al fatah revolutionary council , implicated 1985 airport bombings rome vienna contributed reagan administration 's decision bomb tripoli , libya , last year washington , state department officials said administration officials learned contacts , state department drafted strongly worded officials also expressed greece 's dealings asala , armenian liberation army , carried terrorist acts turks serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) subject old key registration idea organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 25 clipper chip effect current generation pcs , portable desktop , analog voice digital voice vice versa capabilities , need modem output telephone , encryption screen voice traffic want even big deal , pass muster way checking whether using clipper chip encryption without full decoding stating dorthy denning intellectually dishonest acm debate newsgroup previously refrained suggesting arguing behalf consulting clients , say clear dorthy denning functioning , computer scientist used legal ethics \( truth convince anyone \) , scientific ethics \( truth understanding external world \) maybe revoke acm membership \? 8 \) lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \)
karl genesis mcs com \( karl denninger \) subject need clipper cheap security \? organization mcsnet , chicago , il lines 39 nntp posting host localhost mcs com article pizzabox demon co uk gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes uk , 's impossible get approval attach crypto device phone network \( anything plugs bt phone sockets must approved reason crypto devices never \) whats difference v 32bis modem v 32bis modem \? i'm entirely silly i'm pointing modems already approved data transmission work fine transmit scrambled voice absolutely meant secure dedicated crypto device ever given approval guerrilla underground devices well possible today 's high speed modems \( think many v32bis modems approved either mind overpriced couriers \) someone tell hardware compression needed run digital speech 14 4k \? think 've heard 's lets say 8 bit samples would raw data corresponding sampling rate usable \? , fancy compression need \? reasonably fancy standard voice circuits run inter exchange us therefore , need achieve 4 1 get standard voice quality 're willing give quality , need 2 1 still acceptable speech standpoint little less faithful original , certainly 's really need application karl denninger \( karl genesis mcs com \) never please everyone except data line 1 312 248 0900 live internet chicago mcsnet first !
jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 25 article netcom com steveth netcom com \( steve thomas \) writes boy , looks like wod working really good stop people screwed head , given example ! \( issue friend got drugs legal legal , 'll continue get issue 2 , somebody use illegal drugs screwed pay idiot 's problems \? 's anybody harm except wod , hand , immediate threat life tell sacrafice ! \) hello , anybody \? think pay idiot 's problem , 's going pay number addicts associated problems n't even want think hillary white house administration feels pain harm \? drives school bus full kids train gets stoned drives sidewalk kills 5 people lives welfare rest life problem wod bite sending slimy bastards chair selling drugs kids , 's bit
dfield flute calpoly edu \( infospunj \( dan field \) \) subject many mris \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 19 article 1993apr19 informix com proberts informix com \( paul roberts \) writes article 1993apr12 kestrel edu king reasoning com \( dick king \) writes recall reading somewhere , youth , science book , changes n't normally affect chemistry , consumption heavy water would fatal , seeds watered heavy water sprout anyone know \? also heard always thought might make good someone poisoned heavy water would n't show chemical test would expensive indeed ! daniel r field , aka infospunj joe late \? dfield oboe calpoly edu dan , i'm working ! biochemistry , biotechnology california polytechnic state u
mike hopper virginia edu \( michael chapman \) subject looking filemanager x11r5 organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 12 article 1993apr21 atlastele com brians atlastele com \( brian sheets \) writes anyone file manager runs unix x11r5 \? \? working looking , really n't anything quality 've seen though , i'm seriously considering writing one mike hopper acs virginia edu raise taxes middle class unknown
wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) subject fast organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 9 article 1993apr14 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu \( john f nielsen \) writes may case speed limit sign necessary take away entirely \? yeah , 're right away speed limits would mean huge tax increases tried make revenue used passing motorists
kutluk ccl umist ac uk \( kutluk \) subject jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza organization manchester computing centre lines 41 news chalmers se d9bertil dtek chalmers se \( bertil jonell \) writes article kutluk ccl umist ac uk kutluk ccl umist ac uk \( kutluk \) writes atheists mentioned quran point view , minute 's reasoning , one see thing people say atheists n't atheists , \? quran uses word din means way individual thinking , behaving , communal order protocols based set beliefs often interpreted much weaker term religion atheists mentioned quran along jews , , christians , etc latter din din need set beliefs , assumptions , etc , social code example marxist , history , conflict , etc put idols \( sometimes \) represent mean different , roughly cannot social atheism , community , community needs common ideas standard beliefs coordinate society assumptions , say nation , progress natural consequence human activity democracy best way government , however individually insist gods , point view therefore definition , atheism exist atheist society fact means reject din atheism exist people reject idols gods dogmas society part , case personal deviation belief , quran tells deviations disbelief mentioned , point looking things , atheism macro level think took one minute kutluk
dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) subject ca n't get 1280x1024 work w 2m ati ultra pro article geraldo organization university texas austin , austin , texas lines 26 nntp posting host flubber cc utexas edu article 1993apr19 aio jsc nasa gov mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( keith mancus \) writes unable get gateway 486dx2 66 run windows 1280x1024 ordered 2m ati ultra pro , i'm pretty sure 2m really select 1024x768x65536 matter flex program ati 's program group , 1280x1024 remains ghosted windows 3 1 , build 59 drivers , dos 5 0 drivers installed gateway , , perhaps 's file missing hard drive runs 1024x768 fine go desktop window select 1280x1024 sometimes refuses \( ghosted \) , time accepts , hit ok enter desktop , 's back 1024x768 time 1280x1024 main flex window help ! maybe need go mach32 install set refresh rate 1280x1024 might need use custom monitor option dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman utxvms bitnet
bronze ucs indiana edu \( thomas morris spencer \) subject honda groups \? nntp posting host bronze ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution na lines 6 honda groups \? especially ones deal \? tom spencer
doug abcd houghton mi us \( doug \) subject distribution world organization amiga central dispatch lines 15 wonderful commodore 128 sale ! ! ! ! also included 1571 disk drive color power supply \( great shape \) software joysticks 2 300 baud modems \( old , useable \) contact doug \( 906 \) 487 \( 815 \) 623 via dlg pro v0 995
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject militia \( incredibly long \) organization totally unorganized lines 75 article ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) writes article transfer stratus com , cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article ulowell ulowell edu , jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) writes , knew much organization required training large group poeple twice year try get people every year , provide basic training new people integrated force , find suitable location , requires continually standing committee organizers , response , \? mr rutledge arguing since local federal governments abandoned charter support activity , passed laws prohibiting private organizations , eliminated basis rkba \? contrary , anyone understands game , strengthened , originally argued second amendment little bit anachronism prohibiting laws examples anachronism , laws made representatives people representatives people already decided second amendment apply broad cases since representatives feel unconditional interpretation wanted , probable majority people feel way , example people using power government people feel , people stand state wishes wrong neglecting government media people almost issue , constitutional limitations prevent example , majority could vote given rights , people , etc would fly using logic government feels constitution right times , procedure called amendment constitution deliberately difficult , cumbersome , prevent abuse decide ignore people , impose unjust policies majority minority lynch mob majority , remember , government violations , end runs around limitations government , probably know people would hard convince good intention behind bill rights government propeganda guns strong persistant , strong shows gullible people become government help sort line lied , fed half truths , rigged stats , government knows control laws effect crime want government monopoly force , pure simple really want government able override constitutional limitations simple vote bunch \( congresscritters \) \? sure n't founding fathers sure hell n't , either mox nix , mr rutledge one claiming rkba dependent existence top flight , well regulated militia false assumption already posted number times , simple stated people right join well organized militia also stated militia meets twice year clearly well organized state readiness claimed people right , state readiness expected militia stated hamilton better read senate constitution regarding second amendment , linguist 's second meanwhile , show us stuff back assertions yes , mentioned documents \( \) online pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
doug hparc0 aus hp com \( doug parsons \) subject 3d studio v2 01 differences previous version organization hp australasian response centre \( melbourne \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 10 fombaron marc \( fombaron ufrima imag fr \) wrote significant differences v2 01 v2 00 \? thank helping recall , differences 3ds set parameters defaults changed slightly 'll look get home let know , n't enough actually warrant upgrading
deane binah cc brandeis edu \( david matthew deane \) subject public hearings ballot access , vote fraud issues reply deane binah cc brandeis edu organization brandeis university lines 10 ack ! sorry repeat posts thought posting newsgroup appeared could n't figure n't appearing newsgroup stupid slap hands bang head wall sorry ! bloody public mumble mumble mumble david matthew deane \( deane binah cc brandeis edu \) words fold open , means death doors even windows sense danger \( liner \)
andrew rogers rogers jsc nasa gov subject life mars \? \? \? x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 16 03 51 gmt organization lockheed engineering sciences company x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 9 article 1993apr20 1 pa881a inland com schiewer , schiewer pa881a inland com writes deal life mars \? save face heard associated theories \( sound thin \) going back mars look face agian \? anyone buy life theories \? try alt alien visitors
terziogl ee rochester edu \( esin terzioglu \) subject armenia says could shoot turkish planes organization univ rochester , college engineering applied science lines 33 article 1993apr19 155856 8260 kpc com henrik quayle kpc com writes article 1993apr17 185118 10792 ee rochester edu , terziogl ee rochester edu \( esin terzioglu \) writes article 1993apr16 195452 urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) writes 04 16 93 1045 armenia says could shoot turkish planes let translate everyone else public traslation service gets armenia getting itchy esin let clearify mr turkish armenia getting itchy simply letting world know longer sit quiet let turks get away famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion greek island cypress world simply watched ignorance obvious posting 1 \) cyprus independent country turkish greek inhabitants \( greek island like ignorant posting claims \) 2 \) name cyprus \( english \) next time read learn post esin
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet lines 27 forwarded old posting celp speech compression case 'd like experiment celp , obtain software implementation 4800 bps fed std celp coder free u dod 's federal standard 1016 based 4800 bps code excited linear prediction voice coder version 3 2 \( celp 3 2 \) fortran c simulation source codes available worldwide distribution charge \( dos diskettes , configured compile sun sparc stations \) 've since told source cygnus com pub celp speech tar z i'm position sun tcp ip gurus think marry end week \? \) seriously think someone real net access two sparcs could running end week ask pgp guys add crypto filter two weeks damn , wish sparc back i'm stuck 25mhz 386sx share enjoy ! g ps 'll use archie find copy note 's author docs kelvin autodesk com appears located france
marc yogi austin ibm com \( marc j stephenson \) subject astros real \? organization ibm , austin lines 29 article 1993apr15 ccsvax sfasu edu z ccsvax sfasu edu writes thinks astros going places \? \? \? they're currently first place they're 5 4 , 5 1 road ! agree , lumberjack \( except 're 2nd \) ! going places san diego , los angeles , san francisco , cincinnati , denver , atlanta , miami , philadelphia , new york , montreal , pittsburgh , chicago , st louis points \) , they're 0 3 home ! i'm used overly enthusiastic houston fan really n't discourage , hang , lumberjack ! \( , get ahold shift key , ya \? \) apparently new owner \( \( sp \? \) \) n't particularly like excuses item paper \( austin american statesman read , somewhere else first \) said would n't take injuries excuse losing possibility accounted uh , oh n't want owner 'll keep everybody edge 'd never gotten feeling , knows \? anybody houston area feel owner going \? marc stephenson ibm aws \( advanced workstations systems austin , tx \) disclaimer content posting independent official ibm position internet marc austin ibm com vnet marc ibm l 678 3189
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject blast next time organization stratus computer , inc lines 22 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu , oldham ces cwru edu \( daniel oldham \) writes batf needs people , better weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able use force instead retreating stand going job right batf protect us must proper equipment people job batf collect taxes , protect sorry ass mine wod increased crime streets batf needed ever blast away good fokes price pay law order country flame bait , course really want flame bait , send address 'll tell batf automatic weapons stockpiled 'll warm time cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
subject phils , nl east weak csc2imd cabell vcu edu \( ian derby \) expires tue , 27 apr 1993 04 00 00 gmt organization virginia commonwealth university lines 13 's true live richmond , home aaa richmond braves , guy ryan klesko hit 17 hr 's home last year n't sound like whole lot , way diamond built , home runs rarity fact , ron gant , brian hunter david justice proved could hit richmond sent majors , never came back hit richmond , hit anywhere far , beating \( phillies \) 9 0 first game , best team aaa history rather many expectations guess
mtearle gu uwa edu au \( mark \) subject looking electronics dept info austrailia organization university western australia lines 37 nntp posting host mackerel gu uwa edu au ac kr \( kim \) writes hi netters ! looking list universities austrailia , electronics department considering spend year research austrailia communication area interested mobile communication areas spread spectrum communications etc n't information austrailian universities anybody recommend good university co ation area \? comments welcomed ! suggest university western australia perth great , people great electronic engineering department great first year student n't know much projects know good reputation fields dsp communications ever heard \? people ex uwa gives indication department like information email swanee ee uwa edu au request able tell info write department electrical electronic engineering university western australia highway 6009 western australia australia mark mtearle tartarus uwa edu au mark email mtearle tartarus uwa edu au
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject infamous gateway 2000 video monitor problem info requested ! organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 32 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 greg \( psuvm psu edu \) wrote article odin corp sgi com , mikey sgi com \( mike yang \) says , going mailorder gateway , save 13 plus , get technical support phone , free software package fun trying get hold technical support phone least locally walk right dealer tell wrong , fix phone support quick competent many mail order firms , quick competent others \( gateway included \) experience computer retailers \( significant \) lead conclusion sales personnel retail technical personnel forbidden actually learn products sell talk incompetent ! k , percent answers correct , salesmen n't even realize stupid k 'll settle let catch breath fact retail stores never provide better value terms price per product retail outlets desirable , however , people n't interested learning computers enough make decisions fine example education carpeting , wall paper , lawn , microwave ovens , etc come sales personnel assume must idiot n't care things , however , care computer e demand features performance , 'll damned 'll pay high school drop commission rated , priced system process subjected distorted b g l generally
iti gov sg \( chua teck \) subject \( 3d graphics windows \) organization information technology institute , national computer board , singapore lines 17 currently looking 3d graphics library runs ms windows 3 1 libraries \? \( must run vga require add graphics cards \) , run high c compiler v3 0 \? email contact author \? help would much appreciated thanks chua , teck information technology institute email iti gov sg 71 science park drive phone \( 65 \) 772 singapore \( 0511 \) fax \( 65 \) 779
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject good suppliers chips \? organization megatest corporation lines 44 article usenet ins cwru edu cleveland freenet edu \( paul \) writes anyone know good supplier 's chips , one could almost chip need \? n't want hunt chips may need would greatly appreciated anyone knows good distributor thankyou paul , unfortunately , many retail outlets 'll stock every chip made stuff stock ones 'll sell , like standard dram 's , 80386 's , 68000 's , etc , etc e think 'one stop store closest get pick copy byte magazine circuit cellar , popular electronics , like flip distributors like electronics , hamilton , pioneer electronics , etc , etc , n't normally deal end users like couple everything deal people buy hundreds distributor represents sells variety different non competing manufacturers mean \? suppose abc electronics sells intel 80386 's 's pretty good bet wo n't selling amd 's 386 's , vice versa also obtain chip want manufacturer represent knows \? might lucky able buy one 'd suprised also bear mind 1 2 qty prices charge much greater mail order outlet charge advice \? 're gonna designing anything , try stick shelf stuff 're going get stuck use many esoteric parts sooner later good luck , aaron
subject pov file constructor unix x11 craig humphrey comp vuw ac nz \( chumphre \) reply chumphre comp vuw ac nz distribution world organization victoria university wellington new zealand nntp posting host regent comp vuw ac nz lines 13 hi , i'm getting povray wondering graphic package outputs pov files help would appreciated thanks craig n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove anything ccc c ccc c chumphre comp vuw ac nz
rgasch nl oracle com \( robert gasch \) subject delayed expose events organization oracle europe lines 44 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 posted ago without code excerpts noone able help problem main win win fine , create detail win win , receive 's initial expose events main win win receives event relevent calls main win win xcreatesimplewindow \( mydisplay , defaultrootwindow \( mydisplay \) , myhint x , myhint , myhint width , myhint height , main win line thick , fg , bg \) xsetstandardproperties \( mydisplay , main win win , main win text , main win text , none , argv , argc , myhint \) main win gc xcreategc \( mydisplay , main win win , 0 , 0 \) xmapraised \( mydisplay , detail win win \) \( mydisplay , main win win \) event mask main win pposition psize exposuremask keypressmask flags pposition psize create detail win win following calls \( hints new values \) detail win win xcreatesimplewindow \( mydisplay , defaultrootwindow \( mydisplay \) , myhint x , myhint , myhint width , myhint height , detail win line thick , fg , bg \) xsetstandardproperties \( mydisplay , main win win , detail win text , detail win text , none , argv , argc , myhint \) detail win gc xcreategc \( mydisplay , detail win win , 0 , 0 \) xmapraised \( mydisplay , detail win win \) event mask flags identical main win 's flags event mask anybody idea initial expose events detail win win received main win win receives event 'd love hear everything works great must detail i'm overseeing thanks tips robert rgasch nl oracle com ps message accidentally appended expose events thread sorry confusion caused
x mailer tmail version 1 17r c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really subject go hezbollah ! distribution world lines 61 1993apr16 130037 18830 ncsu edu , hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) wrote article 2bce0918 6105 news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article apr15 175334 72079 yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes terrorist camp israelis like view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets , women preparing lunch , men playing cards , etc young men , usually aged 17 30 years members lebanese resistance even inhabitants village know , secretive , people often suspect young men supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone set booby traps israeli patrols every time israeli soldier killed injured traps , israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing often killing innocent civilians tried true method utilized guerilla terrorists groups conduct operations midst local populace , thus forcing opposing state possible harm innocent civilians search , order avoid deaths civilians , abandon search certainly people use population cover also dragging innocent civilians harm 's way suggesting , guerillas use population cover , israel totally back \? easiest way get away attacking another use innocent shield hope respects innocent lives \? tell tim , guerillas wrong \? assuming using civilians cover , killing soldiers country \? buffer zone prevent attacks israel , working \? neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages \? kill try infiltrate buffer zone \? see , shelling villages called retaliation getting back getting even n't make sense shell villages least shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians please clarify standards rules engagement understand , israelis times circumstances fair targets opponents legitimate targets , \? i'm sure makes perfect sense grant priori israelis black hats , therefore killing automatically good thing \( go hezbollah ! \) corollary hezbollah white hats , whatever good thing , israelis prove bad guys attacking sounds suspiciously like hockey fan know , cheers one players team uses stick permanently opponent 's face , curses ref side course , 's different roles reversed c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
sscl uwo ca subject jays game organization social science computing laboratory keywords score \? nntp posting host sscl uwo ca lines 6 anyone know outcome tonight 's jays game \? home runs \? winning pitcher \? eco gods u w
cs umr edu \( eric lin lu \) subject info wanted x security holes nntp posting host cs umr edu organization university missouri rolla lines 22 hi , anyone compile list x security holes \? \? yes , please send copy \? \? wrong group , please point right one thanks ! ! btw , list n't contain info use holes \? instead , need info detect holes , seal holes , monitor activities possible info welcomed thanks ! ! eric grad student always enemy lin lu \( eric \) correctness bertrand russell cs umr edu univ missouri rolla
col hp com \( tim \) subject instead saturn sc2 , \? \? \? organization colorado springs center lines 7 distribution na nntp posting host cs itc hp com interested got fully \( air , abs , sunroof \) '92 se r september 1991 13 , 555 sacramento , ca one 1st sold , dealers , local dealer abs equipped se r went straight fleet manager dealership liked , told wanted , made aware knew price called back exactly wanted dealer away , took delivery next day
psionic wam umd edu \( haywood j \) subject new encryption nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 120 promised , spoke today company mentioned washington times article clipper chip announcement name company secure technology \( information given end message contact \) basically disturbed announcement many reasons specifically however , mr secure communications brought light many points might interest readers belief made known clipper well rest industry several reasons , several company 's size could never able make decision use new chip day announced months ago proposed using chip 's secure telephone devices basically blew interested stuck strange , also spoke art melnick , , expressed several concerns new clipper chip obvious backdoor able let many people decrypt code key released authorities security crypto system lost forever keys end hands agency government fact escrowed keys never change means algorithm vulnerable time attacker classified algorithm may hide another backdoor feels probably keep people forging fake serial numbers , changing keys additionally feels nsa probably spent enough time money working way keep chip reversed engineered , feels reverse engineering difficult feels developed suitable technique protect chip attack also feels chip hardware encoded algorithm onto chip spoke mr melnick algorithm could n't tell much new n't patented yet however told little algorithm released public review patents granted crypto community see secure algorithm called nea new encryption algorithm details held trade secret patent issued , told incorporate following fast encryption data \( exact specs given , mr melnick stated much faster rs 232 put \) symmetric cipher , like idea des use 64 bit data blocks encryption \( like des idea \) key length given , mr melnick states adequate security algorithm written c assembler software form , ported many platforms \( unlike clipper chip hardware cannot made software \) consider definite plus nea widespread use algorithm accomodate public key distribution techniques rsa diffie hellman also supported hardware chip right projected cost nea chip 10 dollars ! ! \( clipper run 25 chip produced enough , probably wo n't happen \) currently sell program called c com uses algorithm special streaming protocol divide encrypted data blocks could prevent plaintext attacks know block header program operates supported rs 232 speeds uses software implementation algorithm importantly backdoor ! ! right company afraid new clipper chip put business real possibility really need help stopping clipper chip becoming standard want contact , reached secure communications technology georgia ave suite 302 silver spring , md \( 301 \) 588 2200 talked mr represents company answer questions factual errors occurring write apologize ahead time psionic wam umd edu fight wiretap chip ! ! ask ! c craig h amiga pgp key available would give liberty 1200 request security deserve neither
uxa cso uiuc edu \( bradley e \) subject news may missed , apr 20 organization university illinois urbana lines 4 insist reposting entire original post \? n't waste bandwidth , please know picky us non jews ha ha
csugrad cs vt edu \( b \) subject turkish turgut ozal passed away organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 6 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu turkish president ozal passed away today heart attack ankara 11 00 gmt mr ozal 66 years old csugrad cs vt edu
kevin axon cs byu edu \( kevin vanhorn \) subject american horror file call help organization usr users kevin organization lines 30 distribution usa nntp posting host axon cs byu edu today 's atrocity waco finally impelled start working something 've thinking time last years heard one case another government running completely amok unfortunately , people oblivious government 's crimes still think protector intend put together call american horror file compilation cases american government run rights citizens last years , focusing especially deaths injuries resulting knock warrants , financial ruin innocents resulting civil forfeiture laws , including cases find decent documentation hope make people blood boiling , artery bursting , red hot enraged government end result probably book electronic form \( ascii text postscript files \) detailing government 's crimes recent years book distributed cost , encourage people post copies bbs 's , send copies disk friends , print copies give neighbors call help information send government running amok greatly appreciated would prefer information well documented , sources given , specific instances governmental abuses also welcome anyone wants join collecting researching information project kevin van horn religion batf approved \? vanhorn bert cs byu edu
netcom com \( richard \) subject electronic odometers \( used bmw question \? \? \? \) organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 1 bmw speedo triggered reed switch magnet assembly differential would think signal would easy reproduce
popec brewich hou tx us \( pope charles \) subject merlin , mithras magick organization witch bbs , 1 713 272 7350 , brewich hou tx us lines 42 caldwell facman ohsu edu \( larry caldwell \) writes us oracle com \( kevin osinski \) writes recall reading michael \( \? \) rutherford 's novel scene son roman living britain takes part secret ceremony involving bull stands naked pit covered sort scaffolding assistants coax bull stand scaffolding fatally stab bull , worshipper pit blood supposedly sort rite passage members bull cult wonder related mithras cult \? n't know rutherford got information chapter book historical fiction , general events take place largely based historical accounts rite like described joseph campbell 's occidental mythology also described levels initiation , think 6 \? n't know campbell got info , remember thinking little also wonder connection ancient bull cults current practice popular mediterranean cultures quite bit n't read campbell , give try larry caldwell caldwell ohsu edu compuserve , 2273 oregon health sciences university \( 503 \) 494 2232 yes cannot remeber works read , many years ago ritual called believe , \( spelling may \) pope charles popec brewich hou tx us \( pope charles \) origin witch bbs houston , tx 1 713 272 7350
hilmi er dsv su se \( hilmi eren \) subject armenia says could shoot turkish planes \( henrik \) lines 95 nntp posting host dsv su se reply hilmi er dsv su se \( hilmi eren \) organization dept computer systems sciences , stockholm university student regional killings alias davidian \( davidian sect \) writes greater armenia would stretch karabakh , black sea , mediterranean , use term greater armenia use care finally said dream mediterranean \? \? \? \? new area greater years , like holocaust numbers always azeris end announced winning karabakh removing armenians ! president azerbaijan , elchibey , came power last year , announced would swimming lake july july usa \? \? \? \? \? sweden 's april still cold changed calendar \? \? \? well , wrong ! elchibey going shell armenians karabakh , people pay price ! elchibey going shell karabakh fizuli people pay price ! elchibey thinks get away bombing armenia hills kelbajar , people pay price nothing mentioned true , let say 's true shall azeri women children going pay price raped , killed tortured armenians \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? something called geneva convention \? \? \? \? \? \? \? facist ! ! ! ! ! forgot , armenians fight , nobody forgot killings , torture kurds turks upon time ! anyway , 60 kurd refugee story , stories , simple fabrications baku , modified ankara examples armenia border iran , ridiculous story intercepting armenian military conversations appeared new york times supposedly translated somebody unknown , armenian azeri turkish , submitted unnamed special correspondent ny times baku real accurate ! swedish workers lie \? ever say regional killer , n't like person shoot 's policy l search turkish planes \? n't know talking since 's content announced weapons \? well , big mouth ozal said military weapons provided azerbaijan turkey , yet demirel others say wonder confused ! confused \? \? \? \? \? facist delete text n't change , wrote search turkish planes \? n't know talking turkey 's government announced 's giving weapons azerbadjan since armenia started attack azerbadjan self , karabag province search plane weapons since 's content announced weapons \? one 's confused 's ! right \( \) give weapons azeris , since armenians started fight azerbadjan ! correct , turkish planes simply shot ! nice , slow moving air transports ! shoot \? armenian bread butter \? arms personel russian army \? hilmi eren stockholm university
earlw apple com \( earl wallace \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization apple computer inc esd cross platform software lines 16 nntp posting host apple com article 1993apr20 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes article 6rf usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) writes big brother rubbed one minority religion waco , next \? mormons jews \? koreshians rubbed neither mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene , i'm particularly concerned \( shall blame jim jones government also \? \) let 's see straight law created says automatic weapon therefore 's ok government use level force enforce law n't matter entire population planet destroyed long law obeyed read correctly \?
buzz bear com \( buzz moschetti \) subject monthly question xcopyarea \( \) expose events reply buzz bear com \( buzz moschetti \) organization bear , stearns co fast lines 18 \( 2nd posting question n't seem get answered \) suppose idle app realized mapped window contains xlib graphics button widget , pressed , cause new item drawn window action clearly call xcopyarea \( \) \( equiv \) directly instead , register existence new item memory structure let expose event handler handles regular expose events \( e g window manager driven exposures \) take care rendering new image using expose event handler proper way time handler called , xlib window guaranteed mapped problem , course , expose event generated window already visible mapped need somehow tickle window expose handler hit arguments enable render part window contains new item best way tickle window produce behavior \?
robert desonia hal9k ann arbor mi us \( robert desonia \) subject board bus speed distribution world organization hal 9000 bbs , w net hq , ann arbor , michigan , usa reply robert desonia hal9k ann arbor mi us \( robert desonia \) lines 39 c hi c 486dx2 66mhz computer use board c data acquisition bus i'm problems c bus runs 12 5 mhz correct \? c bus speed conflict read somewhere c new 486dx2 66 mhz cpu runs 33 mhz bus c local bus bus also problem c c run non turbo mode speed goes 8 mhz c n't work please mail views ! thanks c vincent c musica mcgill ca c standard bus \( isa \) runs 8mhz , 12 5 mhz , non isa buses higher clock rates , careful , since boards n't work faster standard rates instance , 486 adjustable bus speeds , pas16 audio card chokes ad data acquisition bus speed faster 10mhz fact non turbo mode speed n't work weird may motherboard hardware 33 mhz bus 486dx2 66 refer local bus fyi bus operates , linked local bus via , one function rdd winqwk 2 0b 0 unregistered evaluation copy kmail 2 95d w net hq , hal9k ann arbor mi us , 1 313 663 4173 3959 hal 9000 bbs qwk usenet gateway four 14400 v 32bis dial ins free usenet mail 200 newsgroups ! pcboard 14 5am uupcb kmail call 1 313 663 4173 663 3959 member eff , asp , asad 1500mb disk serving ann arbor since 1988
engin umich edu \( eric michael \) subject real time data display tool organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu originator engin umich edu hi , i'm looking x windows tool display data \( 2d plot \) real time couple different signals anybody know gem \? please email read group often thanks much ! eric caen engin umich edu
cybernet cse fau edu \( jim \) subject panther 's president organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 46 promised , would give name panther 's president huizenga announced team name , announced bill torrey named first president panthers little bio sun sentinel torrey , architect four consecutive stanley cup champions general manager new york islanders throughout 27 years nhl , bill torrey 's bow ties become much signature andre 's hair panthers introduce uniform , insignia , ticket price information early next month meantime , huizenga leaves day day operation hands torrey bob clarke , vp gm florida panthers chosen name south florida 's nhl team focus attention endangered species 30 50 florida panthers national park , big cypress national preserve parts southwestern florida panther quickest striking cats , torrey said hopefully 's way 'll play ice bio torrey , huizenga first man hired expansion islanders 1972 one responsible guiding islanders four consecutive stanley cup championships \( first eight seasons \) 14 consecutive winning seasons executive vice president california golden seals , torrey watched seals go play offs 1968 , second nhl season guess completes personal hat trick , said torrey , 58 , native montreal resident bear lakes country club palm beach jim g accounts sol cse fau edu cybernet cse fau edu repeat stress repeat stress repeat stress repeat stress repeat adrian ,
reedr cgsvax claremont edu subject really rise \? \? \? organization claremont graduate school lines 65 article apr 21 03 26 15 1993 1349 geneva rutgers edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu writes basic problem argument total complete reliance biblical text luke 's account highly suspect \( would refer commentary acts \) article apr 23 02 56 43 1993 geneva rutgers edu , ata hfsi hfsi com \( john ata \) writes even independent proof luke 's account valid , find strange would take negation truth without direct historical evidence \( least 've mentioned \) back assertion made , unequivocally christian ever faith believing resurrection luke 's account suggests otherwise , absence direct eyewitnesses claim luke mistaken , suggest unequivocal assertion suspect john , problem taken one peice response , without bothering connect parts repeatedly noted one needs take problematic acts examine work john dominic burton mack taken time examine recent developments biblical scholarship , think grasp clearly saying think original claim may somewhat limited answer claim witnesses could n't lying suffer beliefs thus 's necessary show christian ever suffered believing resurrection rather issue whether witnessed agree posting 're responding shows liberal well conservative clh certainly issue think situation waco shows clearly required people willing die belief true , surely david koresh son god , arguement resurrection true people willing die must put rest problem even resurrection big deal \( n't seem either q , thomas , even john certain degree \) lot things early christians could together would worth dying belief even idea mixed race community , brought regional national boundaries name could enough people willing die radical \( e g jonestown , waco , warsaw , etc \) original point roman persecution \( persecution documented proof \) whether carpenter came back dead claim unique particularly roman greek mind point avoidance military civic duty \( e emperor worship \) would much problematic nothing resurrection nero used christians human torches light dinner party n't believe risen savior , supposedly involved incest argument christians resurrection cannot stand critical examination randy
gravity gmu edu \( tim scanlon \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow summary whatever keywords hmm organization george mason university , fairfax va distribution world expires 06 31 93 lines 65 reading debate clipper , things add first , people know use encryption privately care issues surround debate , questions ok use us care wether using secure , bottom line second , look people know use form encryption , group spans people morons still insist des good secure standard , people looking trying improve upon existing strategies , think anyone would approve blindly strategy leaves methods open abuse clipper , people make mistakes nature , us government made people vulnerable mistakes everyone else third , since people know least familiar vulnerabilities present current software encryption , ca n't see going blindly trust someone figure good way compromise clipper chip despite strengths weaknesses may exist , see high degree confidence developing chip fourth , comes criminal abuse , sure many stupid people yes , open caught via built back door clipper chip however , anyone going serious investigation best secure data going run problem pretty damned fast , would assume , start looking around easily methods encryption nothing else , none would issue however , truth private encryption users 've ever run simply give damn legal status rsa pgp anything else works , use going change either think moment anyone serious criminal intent slowed advent clipper chip easy convert encrypted data garbage , anything , clipper chip adds another tool user bottom line people use works , , i'm sure criminals would rather face encryption related charge one could lead death penalty charges case criminals murder part thing struck since advent wide public encryption begun quite simply cat bag \( interest snooping , pandora 's box opened \) , going change 've seen blindness 've found utterly stunning , clipper chip , along way presented confirms larger degree , tim scanlon gravity gmu edu
daubendr nextwork rose hulman edu \( darren r daubenspeck \) subject plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences \? organization computer science department rose hulman lines 12 distribution usa reply daubendr nextwork rose hulman edu \( darren r daubenspeck \) nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman edu pretty much junk , stay away replaced next year new models junk \? 've made c lists years due excellent handling acceleration around since , oh , 85 86 , 're newest lot , mileage five eight mpg class leader get 3 0 l v 6 \( 141 hp \) shadow 10 11k \( 4 turbo bit \) , droptop 14 15k
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject tiff anything \? ! organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 10 program called graphic workshop ftp wuarchive file msdos graphics directory called grfwk61t zip program od everthing need tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject thousands armenians serving german army waffen ss reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) lines 460 article 1993apr19 1 eagle wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagle wesleyan edu writes bad fact , 1942 , nazi armenians europe established vast network pro german collaborators , extended two continents go calling kettle black , keep mind turkish government strong supporter nazi germany played vital role supplying oil allies invaded iran complaining armenian complicity nazis little good turkey played much bigger role tell , , high asala sdpa arf' wrote \? humane behavior tolerance turks legend even 500 years ago accepted tens thousands jews spain fleeing spanish inquisition , many jewish families escaping nazi armenians hitler 's nazi germany took refugee turkiye 1940 's turkish people given home , protection , freedom jews centuries , including thousands thousands second world war get life cup turkish coffee history jews islamic countries , chapters parts ii , , center jewish history , 1986 baron , w , social religious history jews , new york , columbia university press , vols iii , v , , jose , hispanic culture character sephardic jews , new york , press , 2nd corrected edition , 1982 \( original publication 1953 \) lewis , bernard , eds , christians jews ottoman empire , new york , holmes meier , 1982 , vol , central lands la turquie dan les archives des grand orient de france les , jean louis paul , eds , et dans ottoman , paris , centre national de la , 1983 inalcik , halil , turkish jewish relations ottoman empire , 1982 sharon , moshe , turkiye , , jerusalem , hebrew university , 1982 source john dewey new republic , vol 40 , nov 12 , 1928 , pp 268 9 happy minority jews christian nation protect one recalls jews took abode turkey expelled europe , especially spain , christians , lived centuries least much tranquility liberty fellow turkish subjects , exposed alike common rulers one brought , americans , foreign missionary tradition , condition jews turkey almost mathematical demonstration religious differences influence tragedy turkey combined aspirations political separation every nation world would treated one readily reaches conclusion jews turkey fortunate also stated armenians turned turkish cities russian invader boasted raised army one hundred fifty thousand men fight civil war , burned least hundred turkish villages exterminated population turkey holocaust interview stanford j shaw \( history \) , recently completed two books jews ottoman empire turkish republic , turkey holocaust turkey 's role turkish european jewry nazi persecution , 1933 45 shaw chairs undergraduate degree program near eastern studies organized program study ottoman turkish jewry affiliated g e von center near eastern studies editor come write two books turkey european turkish jews \? shaw basically , i'm ottoman historian , i'm also jewish 've spent twenty five years studying ottoman history , time went along , whenever found materials ottoman jews , collected never anything couple years ago , suddenly realized 1992 anniversary jews expelled spain coming turkey sephardic temple avenue invited give series three lectures ottoman jewry lectures greatly appreciated , became motivated undertake research develop book , jews ottoman empire turkish \) republic book quite different works jewish historians , tend look jews country viewpoint jews jewish community , rely mainly jewish sources view subject ottoman historian , approach jews ottoman empire largely point view ottoman society , using largely ottoman sources finished book sent press , came across additional documents relating turkish jews world war ii completed book , said turkey done good deal rescue jews world war ii , actually many details found batch documents foreign ministry archive relating actions taken turkish diplomats help jews holocaust late add new information book press , decided write second book conducted research , mainly archives foreign ministry ankara turkish embassy consulate paris result second book , turkey holocaust , details turkey helped rescue jews nazis exactly \? story takes place number years book presents material three parts , first deals period holocaust nazis came power germany 1933 , immediately started dismissing jews anti nazi germans universities , hospitals , scientific institutes , like turkey moment beginning process universities , saw jews , fired positions germany , good source new talent help turkish universities within three months nazis started dismissing jews , turkey arranged take many brought turkey given appointments professors turkish universities , heads scientific institutes , medical personnel hospitals 300 500 major jewish professors came turkey 1930s ernst reuter , german political scientist , spent war years teaching political science turkey world war ii , mayor berlin berlin fritz , major german jewish economist , came turkey helped establish modern school economics istanbul man named , rescued nazis turkey spent war years turkey , eventually came ucla , became professor philosophy german jewish engaged cultural activities turkey one karl ebert , leading producer berlin expelled nazis went turkey , organized turkish national theater turkish national opera company ankara , help paul first section book covers first phase , jews persecuted germany rescued turkey oddly enough , german , turkey , seem think badly germany regarded germans jews , join anti nazi activities local turkish jewish community even found letters nazi representatives turkey german jewish refugees work promoting idea german culture even though people persecuted nazis rescued turks , shared feelings aryan racial superiority turks second part book deals holocaust , began 1940 nazis occupied france europe time , especially france , 20 , 000 turkish jews migrated europe various reasons turn century onward settled europe turkish war independence world war , greece threatening overrun turkey greeks persecuted jews throughout nineteenth century , jews feared might happen greeks took turkey many jews fled france 1920s 1930s many also abandoned turkish citizenship became french citizens suddenly nazis invaded france 1940 started introducing sorts anti jewish laws turkish jews soon found worth much french jew , worth lot turkish jew \? turkey remained neutral world war ii retained embassies nazi occupied countries finally entered war side allies end 1944 war , therefore , turkey position defend citizens anti jewish measures , actions turkish diplomats took form second chapter book turkish diplomats stationed france particular intervened protect jews turkish citizenship nazis turkish jews retained turkish citizenship , generally problem arrested sent concentration camp , turkish diplomats would communicate commanders camp officials say effect people turkish citizens ca n't turkish jews would released businesses confiscated , turkish diplomats would protest businesses would restored nazis general wanted keep friendship turkey hoped able use turkey gateway invasion middle east , also wanted obtain chromium turkey order keep turkish friendship , usually accepted interventions behalf turkish jews turkish diplomats sometimes went concentration camps secure release turkish jews times even trains hauling turkish jews auschwitz extermination succeeded getting train foreign jews sent concentration camp place called paris , 's intercession turkish consuls took place greater problem came turkish jews abandoned turkish citizenship become french citizens consuls could n't declare people turkish citizens book includes photographs jews lining front turkish consulate , either get passports return turkey get restoration turkish citizenship bureaucratic matter , processing application would take time meantime real emergency , nazis would arrest jews streets almost nothing nazis would even arrest radios telephones apartments , radios telephones forbidden jews take care former turkish jews , turkish diplomats invented document called , irregular fellow citizen document said effect person former turkish citizen applied restoration turkish citizenship meantime would appreciate would treat turkish citizen diplomats wrote document turkish put seals since nazis could read turkish , whole accepted papers certificates citizenship means , turkish diplomats able rescue many jews turkish citizenship actually nazis two minds turkish defense jews one hand nazi foreign ministry , wanted retain friendship turkey , favor accepting interventions hand , himmler eichmann wanted jews exterminated times himmler eichmann able prevail turkish jews sent auschwitz turkish consuls could anything statistics many turkish jews rescued \? 20 , 000 turkish jews europe world war ii , 10 , 000 living france information section book relates situation france published letters turkish consuls sent nazi officials letters came back reply generally nazis said turkish consul would present documents certifying arrested individuals turkish citizens , promise send france , nazis would release concentration camp turkish consuls also organized special trains take turkish jews nazi occupied territory back turkey trains ran regularly 1943 1944 nazis gave turkish jews could pass nazi territory , trains often held nazi influenced governments eastern europe croatia , serbia , bulgaria governments really n't want jews escape result turkish efforts , 3 , 000 4 , 000 turkish jews france saved another 3 , 000 sent auschwitz , died remaining 3 , 000 either escaped across border spain fled area southern france occupied italians , treated jews much better nazis end 1943 , however , italy fell war , end jews well incidentally , turkish diplomats nazi occupied greece also worked rescue jews country second part book deals turkish diplomats acting rescue jews turkish citizenship turkish origin nazi persecution yes , aside might add interventions behalf turkish jews , turks cited treaty germany stated turkish citizens german territory would treated german citizens turkey basis turks maintained nazis could discriminate turkish citizens jews nazis claimed \( government agreed \) discriminating treating jews equally turkey protested , saying , dividing citizens according religion , turkish constitution requires citizens treated equally , regardless religion therefore , cannot single turkish jews american consuls paris , contrast , accepted nazi argument told american jews persecuted nazis could n't anything , american jews treated jews third part book takes place turkey , principal center holocaust activities aimed rescue eastern european jews agency , organization established jews palestine help jews palestine , set office istanbul 1940 leadership chaim barlas jewish organizations palestine , especially , also sent representatives istanbul set headquarters groups first tried contact jews eastern europe find happening today know holocaust , time people n't know going n't imagine nazis could things first step get information , turkish government let use turkish mails send letters relatives friends eastern europe jewish organizations found happening received replies later nazis began intercept letters , jews received assistance also vatican , angelo , served vatican representative istanbul 1935 1944 later became pope john vatican representative war , used facilities catholic church supplement turkish government assist jewish agencies contacting jews eastern europe cooperation turkish government , agencies sent hard currency , food , clothing , even railroad tickets jews czechoslovakia , bulgaria , romania , hungary n't able help much poland nazis wiped almost polish jews whenever possible rescue agencies arranged jews get eastern europe either train called orient express route istanbul , boat black sea istanbul turkey eager refugees remain within borders war , blockaded suffering terrible food clothing government , therefore , movement non turkish jewish refugees turkey palestine , either taurus express railroad mountains syria palestine , small boats across eastern mediterranean southern turkey palestine efforts bitterly opposed nazis , also british , want jewish immigration palestine feared would hurt relations arabs british constantly pressured turkish government stop traffic send jews back cases turkish government , yielding british pressure , send boats back example , one incident , , 700 jewish refugees romania , sent back turkish government result intervention british ambassador ship sunk soviet submarine , lost except one person nevertheless , told , turkish government allowed fewer 100 , 000 eastern european jews pass turkish territory move palestine second world war turkish authorities also provided refugees facilities money , gave permission send money food country many jews passed turkey may still living israel yes , children let 's return moment first group , turkish jews came europe go palestine stayed turkey non turkish , eastern european jews passed turkey en route palestine story interesting rescued obscurity many studies made holocaust , focus eastern european middle eastern jews scholarship centered western european jews , 6 million massacred nazis study deals much smaller number people tried round picture , hope book persuade scholars undertake investigations history eastern jews comes numbers , german jews also relatively small number millions slain polish jews rescue 100 , 000 eastern european jews may seem significant compared total 6 million murdered , meant lot saved three book consists documents translations many documents included story well known people west unaware courageous actions turkish diplomats even people turkey know story felt would fully understand remarkable achievement unless could see documents languages used documents \? turkish french hebrew great deal material hebrew organization boats going palestine , passengers , , go details extensively describe mostly turkey , documents turkish french documents english jewish groups istanbul necessarily cooperate one another rescue jews fact , often fought one another took turns trying get turkish government rival groups example , kibbutz groups felt jewish agency run western european jews interested helping western european jews finally , 1944 , president roosevelt sent personal representative , ira , executive 's department store new york city , managed reconcile differences documents related mission english also obtained many documents serge , holocaust historian france , mainly worked french jews \( father killed nazis \) gave materials gathered german archives turkish jews , n't personally consult german archives believe much learned german archives , hope someone someday make effort new book fits well teaching , n't \? right i'm giving course history jews ottoman empire first gave course two years ago addition research , writing , teaching , 've actively involved anniversary coming jews ottoman empire among things , helped organize large international conference subject held istanbul 1992 books finished conference taken place , plan next \? i'm working two new books one history turkish war independence , took place world war , years 1918 1923 turks efforts victorious european powers occupy turkey end independence second book study sultan abdul hamid ii , last major sultan , ruled 1876 1909 important way , although also suppressed sorts political movements stanford j shaw received b history british history shifted near eastern history , earning second ph princeton doctoral candidate princeton , spent two years abroad , studying school oriental african studies , university london university cairo , american university cairo , university istanbul taught harvard coming ucla 1966 research supported john simon foundation , american research institute turkey , social science research council , national endowment humanities , fulbright program , received honorary degrees harvard university bosporus university , , istanbul , turkey , honor lifetime contributions fields islamic turkish studies center research islamic history , art , culture istanbul american friends turkey washington , c addition undertaking many professional service activities public lectures united states turkey , shaw also produced eight books one edited volume history ottoman empire modem turkey \( 2 vols \) published many editions \( six editions reprints 1977 1991 \) , translated turkish \( 1983 , 1991 \) french \( 1984 \) book jews ottoman empire turkish republic \( macmillan , london , new york university press , 1992 \) published turkish translation turkish historical society , istanbul turkey holocaust turkey 's role turkish european jewry nazi persecution , 1933 1945 published macmillan publishers , london , new york university press 1993 pamphlet summarizing book published ankara , turkey , 1992 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
cmwolf mtu edu \( engineer day asleep night \) subject answers many electronics questions organization michigan technological university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 19 bill willis \( willisw willisw eng clemson edu \) wrote notice lot electronics questions people obviously tuned electronics many rather simple answers , many require circuit diagram rather muck network , n't write , send self addressed , stamped , 'll answer questions , w l willis , p e 114 fern circle clemson , sc network quicker , easier , free \( least \) christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf mtu edu remember , even win rat race 're still rat
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject tapped , code good organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 52 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes follows opinion asserted truth flames , please comes background 20 years senior corporate staff executive two fortune 50 companies 'd happy use crypto system supplied nsa business , told secure des , particular resistant attempts japanese , french , competitive companies governments break 'd happy even escrowed keys , provided happy bona fides escrow agencies \( federal reserve would certainly satisfy , would something set one big 8 accounting firms \) 'd trust nsa president stated trap doors 'd even happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure 'd trust something nsa long 'd trust something swiss anybody japanese lot us trust japanese 'll trust nsa , president , stupid fortune 50 companies 're proud may seem surprising , suggest corporations would feel way many \( pick one \) corporations attitude nsa part government support government , one famous ceo put one day perspective another point view since japanese corps n't part government governors may trusted people getting tired patriotic , whatever say without question , pay taxes attitude comes america 's political party caste \? david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject improvements automatic transmissions keywords saturn , subaru , manual , automatic article engr organization clearer blir lines 40 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu excellent automatic found subaru legacy switches sport mode electronics figure , driver sets switch proper way , imo sport mode entail \? several things 1 \) revving red line \( rev limiter case legacy \) 2 \) delayed \( e lift briefly , remain low gear handy charging corners would like without distraction 's another curve approaching \) 3 \) part throttle , based speed pedal depressed , rather position pedal modern electronics measure easily switch sport mode wonderful want charge green light turn red audi senses well downshift little half throttle right foot fast enough also , think smart automatic deliver better gas mileage dumb driver stick , else equal remember idea stick economical automatic makes big assumption driver smart enough know gear use situation many times ridden driver cruising highway 55 65 4th gear \( 5 speed \) \? many people drive manuals really know best gear use every conceivable situation \? i'm sure know , suspect chip controlled automatic possible scenario ratio combinations stored rom likely better also say previous assumptions proved wrong got car instantaneous mpg readout high gear , low revs wide open throttle economical low gear , high revs small throttle opening explanation quite simple one sits think , obvious first sight eliot
higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) subject sixty two thousand \( many read sci space \? \) organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines 67 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov article 1993apr15 sol uvic ca , rborden ugly uvic ca \( ross borden \) writes article permanet org mark prado p2 f349 n109 z1 permanet org \( mark prado \) writes one could go , wonder many people read sci space power influence individuals \? quick ! everyone sees , post reply says hey , read sci space ! count , find many ! \) \( also help answer nagging question maximum bandwidth internet , anyways \? \) practical suggestion , sure , one could also peek news lists , brian reid posted usenet readership report mar 93 another posting called usenet readership summary report mar 93 gives methodology caveats reid 's survey \( postings failed appear wonder \? back \) reid , alas , gives us measure power influence readers sorry , mark suspect mark , dangling fidonet , may get news lists 've mailed copies reports bottom line \? estimated total number people read group , worldwide actual number readers sampled population propagation many sites receive group recent traffic \( messages per month \) recent traffic \( per month \) crossposting percentage cost ratio us month share read group v v v v v v v v 88 80 1958 9 19 0 10 2 9 sci space first figure indicates sci space ranks among read newsgroups 've keeping track watch growth traffic readership might entertained see oct 91 55 84 718 2 21 0 04 4 2 sci space mar 92 43 82 1207 2 13 0 06 4 1 sci space jul 92 48 94000 1550 80 3 12 0 04 3 8 sci space may 92 45 94000 82 834 8 13 0 04 4 1 sci space \( kind glitch estimating number readers happens \) sep 92 45 80 2 16 0 11 3 6 sci space nov 92 78 81 1220 2 17 0 08 2 8 sci space \( revision ranking groups happens \( \? \) \) mar 93 88 80 1958 9 19 0 10 2 9 sci space possibly old usenet hands could give background interpret figures , , history reid 's reporting effort take e mail n't belong sci space bill higgins , beam jockey valley fermi national accelerator laboratory doth bitnet higgins fnal bitnet grow roses internet higgins fnal fnal gov clementine span hepnet 43011 higgins
rap cis ufl edu \( ryan porter \) subject dmorph article snoopy organization univ florida cis dept lines 34 nntp posting host cis ufl edu article 1993apr3 6442 usl edu ucs usl edu \( armstrong jay n \) writes someone please tell ftp dta dmorph \? dmorf \( dave 's morph , think means \) \( dave 's tga assembler \) available msdos uploads directory wuarchive bundled respective versions , exe exe , also find version exe , view files create dta exe exe downloaded whole bunch last week morphing away since bit buggy definitely ready spread masses , well written interface frustrating first , gets easy figure tricks noticed crash horribly try morph without using splines option sure , since n't source think written tp 6 0 anyone else comes hints getting thing work right , tell took several hours first time figure used splines would work usl edu ryan rap cis ufl edu
ethan cs columbia edu \( ethan solomita \) subject forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization columbia university department computer science lines 17 hi i'm trying figure make window manager place window create window command tells , regardless may think right \( application reason know better \) n't want set override redirect want embellishments window manager gives , want wm accept choice location 've tried twm , tvtwm mwm thanks , ethan
obrien hri com \( jim obrien \) subject ibm pc xt switch settings organization horizon research , inc lines 7 distribution world reply obrien bigbird hri com nntp posting host hri com got ibm pc xt documents true ibm , wondering anyone definitions 2 8 position dip switches \? thankx jim
davewood bruno cs colorado edu \( david rex wood \) subject rockies need relief nntp posting host bruno cs colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 14 article 1993apr18 colorado edu davewood bruno cs colorado edu \( david rex wood \) writes shaky \) innings giving one run game dreaded relief three combined give 3 runs \( one believe \) 7th inning taken lightly going today 's game , league 's leading geez , type \? david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university colorado boulder
pitt edu \( scott \) subject imagine organization university pittsburgh lines 16 hello netters , finally received information imagine pc presently shipping version 2 0 software release version 3 0 first quarter 1993 \( say \) upgrade 2 0 3 0 100 00 purchase imagine 2 0 , costs 495 00 upgrading another eligible \( call info \) modeler , 200 00 plus shipping handling requires pc 4 megs math coprocessor , dos 5 0 microsoft mouse svga card thanks replies product received many replies , money together , think take plunge thanks info impulse want find get sheet sent impulse inc avenue north minneapolis , mn 1 800 328 thanks replies scott scott pitt edu turn jack jack
uncc edu \( brian e smith \) subject rayshade query nntp posting host uncc edu reply uncc edu organization university nc lines 22 article sun ac za , sun ac za \( \) writes also looking surface board marble unfortunately black wo n't work well one side anybody ideas nice surfaces \? brass silver \? 've seen real use material post finished chessboard \? right good place ca n't wait see use pov raytracer compatible enough chessboard \? n't know 've got whole picture , n't seem like 's running thrusters ! leonard mccoy guess \? , spock \? 's extraordinary ! james kirk brian smith \( mosaic uncc edu \)
kkeach pomona claremont edu subject super tough baseball trivia reply kkeach pomona claremont edu organization pomona college lines 37 article 1993apr17 ncar ucar edu , rsf atd ucar edu \( anthony michael jivoin \) writes bruce video glory days , born usa album , show two quick shots baseball game television bar bruce e street band playing name teams \? stadium \? pitcher \? two batters go swinging \? also end video bruce throwing wooden strike zone last pitch young boy lines base hit center bruce kid walk field kid asks today bruce mentions team playing certain player got bottom ninth name player team ! sandiego anyone gets 'll impressed anthony jivoin national center atmospheric research rsf atd p box 3000 boulder , co 80307
tammy uclink berkeley edu \( tammy chen \) subject mpc encyclopedia cd rom organization university california , berkeley lines 14 nntp posting host uclink berkeley edu following program cd rom forsale mpc encyclopedia cd rom multimedia brand new shrink wrapped asking 50 obo send reply sam ocf berkeley edu thank
harter5255 iscsvax uni edu subject deals bad organization university northern iowa lines 30 fellow netters , wanted let know honest good people \( even outside iowa \) i'm sorry anyone thinks wasting space , thought might want relief thief posts think n't hear bad deals , would nice hear good news seeing post one sale groups , mailed mr mark miller request copy wordperfect 5 1 dos suggested price 50 ad , phoned , quoted 40 plus shipping sounded fair , told would send check next day imagine surprise logged account following day found message saying already sold \( mailed money order \) another e mail message , apologized assured mistake one holding sent package soon got money , along letter stating transfer license n't good enough wordperfect , asked fill one forms problem thought took three times get right address \( fault \) anyway , mailed form signature included idea included deal , apologized sending world 's best word processor renewed hope world good ones left ever see mark selling anything may want , give call choice , would purchase software bravo , mr miller ! kevin harter
zbib bnr ca \( sam zbib \) subject legality jewish purchase nntp posting host 47 141 0 106 reply zbib bnr ca organization bell northern research lines 67 \( amir rosenblatt \) writes sam zbib writes one right mind would sell freedom dignity palestinians exception perhaps heard anti trust business world since debating legality commercial transaction , must use laws governing guidelines ethics transactions basic anti trust law says , purchase ibm stocks purpose investing , acquire large number shares intent controlling ibm make intentions clear clearly , jews purchased properties palastenians designs , buying dwelling real estate establishing bridgehead european jews palastenians sold properties jews old tradition arab hospitality multi ethnic multi religious society , accepting jews neighbours different , another religion plus paid fair market value , etc know victims international conspiracy \( i'm conspiracy theorist , one hard dismiss \) right , i'm going address point jewish national fund bought land , n't buy palestinians , , part , tenant farmers \( fallahin \) , living land owned wealthy arabs syria lebanon jnf offered premium deal , owners took advantage 's called commerce owners , however , made provisions worked , basically shafting selling land right blame , jews amir would sale land shafting \? sold jews \? fair assume fallahin would mistreated jews \? norm commerce \( read shafting \) arabs jews \? claim lebanese syrian landlords sold palestine \( true , even partially \) omits fact mandate treaty put lebanon syria french rule , palestine british , landlord would found foreigner palestine would motivated sell , regardless price interesting though acknowledge palestinians shafted many israelis jews share opinion \? absolve purchaser ethical commitments n't written \? told , see answer response question whether intent behind purchase aimed controlling public assets \( land , infra structure etc \) imho palestinians grounds contest legality purchase , say world court sam opinions one else 's
william vos stratus com subject blast next time organization stratus computer , marlboro lines 29 distribution usa nntp posting host enet mfg stratus com deleted sounds twisted wod increased crime streets batf needed ever blast away good fokes price pay law order country look good people died wars protect great country flame thrower well n't want tax dollars going kind philosophy maybe good folks talking people like might inclined accept batf anyway \? n't bureau militant , paranoid , freedom killers like people like dangerous alcohol , tobacco firearms arms build waco needed hit compound mega fire power could gone blasting killed women kids would better letting burn death 51 days later maybe whole city , mean , 's 100 , 000 good souls anyway \? get real , sound like racist guess life n't precious , realize 24 children killed ! ! ! never get fall love , wo n't see another sunrise , prom , first date , football , baseball nothing n't people think first let everyone know narrow flame thrower
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 39 article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com , david tms390 micro ti com \( david thomas \) writes cymbal calpoly edu \( claire \) writes thing msg \( monosodium glutamate \) sensitivity \? saw ny times sunday scientists testified fda advisory panel complaints msg sensitivity superstition anybody experience contrary \? i'm old enough remember issue come least couple times since 1960s called chinese restaurant syndrome chinese always used far , 've seen dozen posts anecdotal evidence , facts suspect strong psychological effect work anyone results scientific study using double blind trials \? another anecdotal story picky eater never wanted try chinese food , however , finally tried order please girl seeing time never heard chinese restaurant syndrome group us went restaurant shared 6 different dishes n't taste great , decided n't bad went home went bed early woke 2 puked guts outs threw long \( i'm kidding \) pulled muscle tongue dry heaves everything one else got sick , i'm allergic anything know suffice say wont go chinese restaurant unless physically threatened smell food makes ill \( reaction \) dragged suffer beef broccoli without sauces , insist msg n't gotten sick yet doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject political atheists \? organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 01 lines 11 mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes think mean circular , recursive , semantics problems , horribly inefficient \( ask assembly programmer \) tail recursive functions scheme least efficient loops anyone n't program assembler heard optimizing compilers mathew
robert knowles p00261 psilink com subject islamic marriage \? reply austin ibm com nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization kupajava , east krakatoa x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 44 date tue , 6 apr 1993 00 11 49 gmt f karner karner austin ibm com article 1993apr2 cadence com , mas cadence com \( masud khan \) writes article austin ibm com karner austin ibm com \( f karner \) writes okay want name names \? obviously official records pseudo marriages performed convenience happens typically woman willing move lover without legal contracts speak man merely utilizing loophole entering temporary religious marriage contract order sex nobody complains , nobody cares , nobody needs know perhaps alert imam could practice far widespread may think maybe takes 4 muslim men witness penetration decide practice exists ! level ignorance display , muslims allowed enter temporary marriages , got \? evidence outlawed practise get facts straight buddy give references tell everyone lying widespread may think \( \) fact contrary fantasies practised amongst muslims miss post topic quote indonesian handbook fred rice 's comments temporary marriages \? , glad repost accept may practice among muslims , \? continue claim lying practised amongst muslims n't think f karner tell everyone anything least lying since obviously know nothing practice , little contribute discussion except accuse everyone lying perhaps ignorance showing learn islam learn muslims open eyes maybe also see things atheists see
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject political atheists \? organization sgi lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article rusnews w165w mantis co uk , mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) writes article 1993apr2 blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes automobile system kills non driving passengers , mention need drive even use car killed one indeed , kills far system public transport would therefore entirely favour banning private cars replacing trains , buses , taxis , bicycles , seconded cycle work day , could get damned cars drivers road , would lot fun jon
fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) subject newsgroup split reply tdawson engin umich edu 's message 19 apr 1993 19 43 52 gmt nntp posting host graphics cs nyu edu organization courant institute mathematical sciences 1993apr19 unocal com 1quvdoinn3e7 srvr1 engin umich edu lines 16 concerning proposed newsgroup split , personally favor learn awful lot aspects graphics reading group , code hardware algorithms think making 5 different groups wate , result posts week per group kind like convenience one big forum discussing aspects graphics anyone else feel way \? curious disagree could learn amount reading split groups , would make things easier us less waste creating news groups bit shuffling problem posts per week per group spend much time david
barnett crd ge com \( bruce barnett \) subject title xterm reply lanzo tekelec com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 17 35 46 gmt nntp posting host crd ge com reply barnett ge com organization ge corp r , schenectady , ny 3b1 aeon berlin de 1993apr22 gecko uucp article 1993apr22 gecko uucp lanzo tekelec com \( mark lanzo \) writes hint sun os users use usr echo instead bin echo csh 's built echo otherwise 'll embed literal esc bel characters string instead using convenient octal sequences bad idea using usr echo slower built echo execute `hostname` per shell window , read one extra file titles require executing extra programs oh yes , execute programs per system stores file next time \( ! \? hostname \) setenv hostname `hostname` endif figure generate escape , bell , echo commands without line terminator may done , variable e set executed script system \? \( \? e \) echo already set echo variables dev tty else \( f echo hostname \) source echo hostname else \( `echo n wc l` 0 \) echo built echo bsd dev tty berkeley style echo echo 'set ech echo n ' echo hostname echo set e `echo tr ' echo hostname echo set b `echo tr ' echo hostname echo 'set n ' echo hostname source echo hostname else echo built echo sysv dev tty echo 'set ech echo ' echo hostname echo 'set e 033 ' echo hostname echo 'set b 007 ' echo hostname echo 'set n c ' echo hostname source echo hostname endif using shelltool , cmdtool xterm \? duplicate aliases avoid problems \( term sun \) sun aliases alias header ' ech e l ! 1 e n ' alias ' ech e l ! 1 e n ' else \( term xterm \) alias header ' ech e 2 ! 1 b n ' alias ' ech e 1 ! 1 b n ' endif bruce barnett barnett crd ge com uunet ! ! barnett
alf uib \( kurt george \) subject drawing lines \( inverse xor \) organization university bergen , norway lines 36 article 1993apr19 news media mit edu , dyoung media mit edu \( david young \) writes xsetfunction \( mydisplay , gc , gxxor \) xsetforeground \( mydisplay , gc , drawindex \) draw xdrawline \( mydisplay , xtwindow \( \) , gc , x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 \) xflush \( mydisplay \) i'm done , return things normal xsetfunction \( mydisplay , gc , gxcopy \) 'd like happen lines draw inverse whatever i'm drawing instead happens get white lines lines white background nothing shows lines black area nothing shows ! 's strange gxxor function seems right since rubber banding box , erases redraws correctly \( ie disturbing underlying image \) suggestions i'm wrong \? david try change gxxor programs run ncd terminals \( sun terminals change back gxxor \) kurt
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization lick observatory uco lines 26 1993apr20 cs rochester edu steinly topaz ucsc edu 1993apr20 cs rochester edu , steinly topaz ucsc edu mojo eng umd edu nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu reply sysmgr king eng umd edu 's message 21 apr 1993 19 16 51 gmt article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) writes article steinly topaz ucsc edu , steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes cost effective use right accounting method \) sherzer methodology ! ! ! ! ! ! hell , yes i'm going let bunch seven suits tell right way estimate cost effectiveness , least make mind long enough leave scheme stable fiscal year two seriously though ask british government whether efforts americas cost effective , answer think 'd get \? asked , 1815 , , 1915 1945 respectively \? \) steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer ever go take road , ok road , 's best ! go ! bb 1983
kmembry viamar uucp \( kirk membry \) subject pixel font reply rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry organization private system lines 9 i'm looking font looks like pixels monitor \( lcd kind font though \) anyone know get one \? kirk membry age age industry rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry alexander rodchenko
0005111312 mcimail com \( peter nesbitt \) subject thanks speeding ticket advice ! article mcimail organization utexas mail news gateway lines 37 nntp posting host cs utexas edu 'd like thank everyone took time respond post fighting ticket many wrote say successfully fought case court others lost due cop outright lying judge circumstances surrounding ticket , one fellow lost judge n't appear mood foolishness several suggested obtain book called fight ticket general theme said go , prepared much research possible , go back review scene , happened tape paper , use witnesses may around , list questions ask cop judge , positive innocent proven guilty ! people suggested trying get court date changed , might trip arresting officer , may show date day feels knows n't chance win one individual stated officer could expert witness , says speeding , damn , speeding another says must paced clocked radar gun lots good suggestions ideas 'll let know happens big day ! peter nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay
subject quick way tell local beat writer dumb rbd flash ece uc edu \( bobby davis \) organization university cincinnati nntp posting host flash ece uc edu lines 13 bob gajarsky hobokenite writes jayson stark \( 's \) fits perfectly category anyone writes dean palmer 2 homers pace , 'll 324 home runs ! shot bob , think stark sort thing joke , serious prediction n't really see shoot guys ought shot ones keep claiming great chances al west , since evidence indicates n't joking actually believe bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu
marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) subject 's rush \( fast \) organization purdue university distribution usa lines 28 remember roads america designed speeds 80 meaning would safe 55 65 roads like autobahn smoother , , wider slightly banked example months back traveling late night \( 3 00 \) changing highways bent curved south east becoming hidden trees 1 , 000 ft continued left strait north wanted turn north , checked south lane , rolled crossing checked north lane nevertheless n't car sight , took one last look pulled left hand lane car n't 5 sec 0 60 performer lane 40 decent time , even 3 00 n't wasting time checked mirror saw mustang closing lane fast , turned corner noticing saw changed lanes time , moving excess 90 , chance , moving way i'm glad saw brake lights time shudder think would happened pull left time needed dodge rule car 100 , way clear , n't assume stay way travis disclamer ideas expressed fact employer , since none \) e mail , flame , marshatt feserve cc purdue edu
iitmax iit edu \( smile \) subject forsale used guitar amp article iitmax 1993apr15 distribution usa organization illinois institute technology lines 14 two years old guitar amplifier model handles upto 80 watts dual input two channels three band eq distortion asking 150 \( send mail iitmax acc iit edu interested \) prices maybe negotiable
spot colorado edu \( \) subject old predictions laugh nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 35 tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes uwovax uwo ca thu sep 12 10 35 58 1991 ron minor league manager yankees dunno happened maybe help 's major league coach rockies prediction doubly wrong prediction red sox cubs series broncos occur end world one finish top 10 offensive catagory year starter era 3 50 rangers fade begin august 'll give way angels still challenge end really making , may god strike thanks listening ! valentine dylan , con official usenet rabid fan major , u colorado , boulder colorado rockies clip sig po box , boulder , co 20 next rockies woof ! ! ! life bigger \( space blank \)
laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu \( f \) subject dumbest automotive concepts tim organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines 23 reply laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu article 1993mar29 1 uncavx unca edu , uncavx unca edu wrote 8 saab 900 ignition floor ! \? ! actually , started great idea steering column locks became popular , saab installed lock put car reverse , remove key , car stays reverse ! also , suppose get car , thug comes demands keys gunpoint hand , gets , idea put key ! , run away \( perhaps shoot anyway \) heard actually happened somewhere btw , hear saab 900 's new successor ignition console , seats , belongs laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu extraordinaire v little 's minister fine 0 brands sampled 55 import luxury , 17 opinions necessarily mine \( mine , either \) anyone bum sig \?
jcopelan nyx cs du edu \( one \) subject new member organization salvation army draft board lines 28 article portal hq videocart com dfuller portal hq videocart com \( dave fuller \) writes hello started reading group today , think going large participant daily postings liked section faq constructing logical arguments well done atheist , try turn people atheists try figure people believe way n't much care different view comes could wrong willing admit possibility something religious followers dont seem capability happy aboard ! dave fuller dfuller portal hq videocart com welcome official keeper list nicknames people known alt atheism \( n't know list , \) awarded nickname buckminster next time post article , sign nickname like dave buckminster fuller thanks jim humor means never say 're sorry copeland god dead actor plays part sting , words fear find way place heart history without voice reason every faith curse teach us without freedom past things get worse nothing
corona hsc usc edu \( daniel chen \) subject buying high speed v everything modem organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 2 nntp posting host corona hsc usc edu hardware handshaking want use \? dan
mac1 isis msstate edu \( mubashir cheema \) subject 1st time chrysler buyer , 400 really \? summary 400 keywords 400 nntp posting host isis msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 13 hello world , bought new stealth two weeks ago got grad student rebate someone told 's another 400 1st time chrysler buyer true \? yes still get late \? mubashir cheema communications ph \( 601 \) 323 fax \( 601 \) 324 500 russell street , suite 20 email mac1 ra msstate edu starkville , ms 39759
organization queen 's university kingston graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu ca subject gamma ray bursters \? 1993apr24 1 vax1 mankato msus edu lines 8 things detected space , anyone looked possible problems detectors \? , mechanism \( cosmic rays , whatever \) could cause think seeing one things \? graydon
mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( daniel mccoy \) subject title xterm reply mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov organization net inc lines 52 article fbi news informatik uni dortmund de , markhof informatik uni dortmund de \( markhof \) writes article inf tu dresden de , beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) writes article 3b1 aeon berlin de , thomas aeon berlin de \( thomas wolfram \) writes hey guys ! work many stations would like name current logname title xterm 's open machine name 's closed words , want host logname appear title opened xterm host xterm closed \? almost window managers \( twm , mwm , olwm \) support escape sequences purpose put following login \( 're using csh tcsh \) , sh modify \( term xterm \) echo 2 logname host g 1 host g endif 1 \) feature window manager xterm 2 \) sequences ansi compatible , \? anyone know compatible sequences \? would think dcs \( device control sequence \) introduced , may csi sequence exists , \? must work dxterm \( vt ansi compatible \) , may work xterms works xterms least problem back original question usually start new xterms selecting proper menu entry desktop menu sample command xterm sl 999 n ls12i title ls12i e rlogin ls12i n title options give text window icon use tcsh \( wonderful extension csh \) , following alias echo n ' 2 host cwd g' special alias tvtwm executed time printing prompt , current host name current directory path title bar xterms gotten answer yet \? using variables , would xterm host logname n host daniel j mccoy space net , inc nasa mail code pt4 tel 713 483 nasa johnson space center fax 713 244 houston , texas 77058 future mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject countersteering faq please post organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 52 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article zen sys uea ac uk , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes secondly , tyre road , suspension geometry ground clearance motorcycle dictate quickly swerve avoid obstacles , knowledge physics rider 's ears seriously suggesting countersteering knowledge enables corner faster competently could manage otherwise \? \? 's , put two riders identical machines 's one knows 's , , faster may possible improve technique idea , trial error , effective methodology understanding technique steering motorcycle one improve technique \( hold applies human endeavor \) 's interesting bit knowledge , claim essential bikers know , corner faster better result , absurd consider understanding physics traction absurd \? seriously suggesting one form traction management policy without understanding factors increase decrease available traction \? braking \? highly unlikely biker going develop maximum swerving ability without knowledge turning techniques riding life may problem , emergency situation definately placing disadvantage including countersteering theory newbie courses confusing people unnecessarily , right time far important matters learn disagree existance immense success riding courses teach technique indicate concept taught manner neither confusing , aspects course original point perhaps , ensuing discussion , strayed far point , claim knowledge steering technique irrelevant rider 's ability find assertion ludicrous ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
michal cs cmu edu \( michal \) subject illegal tint windows nntp posting host sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 38 know 's long shot , maybe someone went comments share story bought car state , i'm trying get safety inspection pennsylvania problem car aftermarket tint windows except windshield tint rather weak , clearly see inside car tint inspection garage said wo n't pass unless get waiver state police went state police officer told aftermarket tint illegal , get waiver pre 84 car medical reason asked show section vehicle code says 's illegal showed said ca n't tint , ca n't see inside car tint told fact see inside well , shut book said 's illegal , fact someone give ticket right well , wo n't argue since vehicle code says 's ok long see tint , 'd like keep \( 'll read vehicle code library \) 'd also like get sort paper police says 's ok , get inspection , wo n't get trouble tint later also would n't mind registering complaint officer really pissed anyone experience getting sort paper police , especially pennsylvania \? anyone experience registering complaint officer \? called station later today , basically said place could register complaint officer decide keep tint get ticket anyway , much chance stand succesfully appeal ticket court \? comments welcome ! michal
cjhs minster york ac uk subject xt intrinsics slow popups organization department computer science , university york , england lines 19 keywords help running sample problems o'reilly volume 4 , xt programming manual , chapter 3 popup dialog boxes example 3 5 , page 76 creating pop dialog box application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog box strange feature program always pops dialog box much faster first time try pop 2nd time \( 3rd , 4th time \) , much slower anyone experience sample programs , get behaviour fast response time first time slow response time 2nd time onwards \? anyone give ideas program popups time popup reasonable fast response time \? thankyou shirley
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject mogilny must benched nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 36 article acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( andrew w \) writes anyway , game continued trend sadly taking shape couple weeks hoped fatigue , aberration , ca n't snow longer alex mogilny must benched disciplinary action , soon explanation ysebaert jumping lafontaine score winning goal yesterday \? n't guy , ask patty actually stuff mogilny n't surprise much 4 5 weeks ago read toronto sun quote alex went something like yep , patty 's man 's responsible team 's success i'm nobody around going post time must forgot since nobody else talking problem heard locker room , 'd beat shit spot patty took responsibility press , taking heat alex 's lafontaine class , team player yep , 'd beat shit lafontaine really must team player makes wonder islander management thinking question hell muckler \? whether wishes admit , team coach , ca n't job maybe job given somebody gee , kinda like alex 's spot team , n't \? dr devils advocate
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject diagnose lyme really reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 19 article watson ibm com yozzo watson ibm com \( ralph yozzo \) writes think would called quack \? quacks n't cultures poo poo lab tests lyme , believe , 've arguing lyme lab test accurate \? culture spirochete , virtually 100 certain patient lyme suppose could contamination exceptionally sloppy lab , normally false positives gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject update \( help ! \) lyme 's \? article pitt reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 42 article 1993mar29 equator com jod equator com \( john o'donnell \) writes n't posting physicians know lyme literature beyond co 's denial merry go round patients get correctly diagnosed treated think \? n't acting good faith \? , lyme intents purposes , famous lyme gets , famous gets n't see motive easy see physicians call everything lyme treat everything lot money involved i'm computer engineer , doctor \( , jim \) building computer manufacturing company got lyme lost several years life near total partially result , company failed , taking 150 jobs , savings , everything 'd worked years i'm one lucky ones found physician lyme foundation work almost full time , although persistent infection still suffer variety try follow lyme literature well , tragic happened , n't necessarily make objective source information whole life focussed around , may emotionally involved advising people may may lyme certainly advocacy research lyme would order , though , people like effective gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) subject best record ever baseball organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 19 distribution usa expires 5 9 93 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu summary believe \? teams , believe cubs best record ever baseball sometime way far back 110 something admiral steve c liu admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu commander chief security division pi club earth chapter president earth chapter pi club founded april 1990 1993 world champions baltimore orioles \? series yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society , problem abbreviation polymorph episode red dwarf bangles greatest female rock band ever existed ! sig brought frungy ! sport kings ! god man , drilling holes head answer ! dr mccoy know , susanna really nice ass comment flanagan pi club creating largest signatures past nine months
dave dal farra gpz750 bnr ca subject cb750 c flames exhaust ! ! ! ! x xxdate tue , 20 apr 93 14 15 17 gmt nntp posting host organization bnr ltd x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 lines 49 article 1993apr20 9199 research nj nec com chris behanna , behanna syl nj nec com writes article 1993apr19 bnr ca dave dal farra gpz750 bnr ca writes reminds great editorial bruce reeve couple months ago cycle canada pissed cops pulling dangerous spots \( often blind corners \) one day decided get revenge cruising factory test bike , noticed cop pulled motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad , hit bike 's kill switch passing cop , happened bending towards offending motorist exposing passing world ignition system dead , pumped two three times fill exhaust canister 's volatile raw fuel took stab kill switch light ignition send flame swell 's direction wonder cycle cops read cycle canada \? although agree spirit action , hope rider 800 takes replace exhaust system destroyed owner 's manual explicitly warns behavior exactly reason destroy way later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs ya , fat chance offending rider moto journalist guys sell hundreds bikes one stroke pen get away murder comes test bikes one way , probably worth early expiration one see bone head get butt baked dave f 's true say money talks mine spoke said drink ! '
gerrit sub org \( gerrit \) subject 6551 compatibility distribution world organization lao project \( private uucp site \) lines 31 article pr world std com , internet surfer writes one know 6551 timing pin compatible 6551 , able operate 2 mhz system , 6551 take 1 mhz without problems see made mos csg , take , seems 6551 bug cts rts handshaking need suitable pin replacement put serial card possibly buffered version perhaps \? know fixed version 6551 different possibilities work around bug easiest tie cts gnd use dsr dcd cts easy fix software , dsr bit 6 dcd ist bit 5 status register \( read 6551 low high \) using cts line lead big trouble 6551 instantly stops transmission cts goes high means , may get half byte gerrit gerrit 16 germany logical adresses uucp gerrit sub org fido \( 2 106 9 \) ever visited aliens , hard explain , , intelligent enough build atomic weapons stupid enough \( taken geo special space , page 88 91 \)
pete demon co uk \( pete phillips \) subject particle size x address , wales , reply pete demon co uk organization surgical materials testing laboratory x fax 44 656 x phone 44 656 lines 25 hi , completing project performance , wealth data particle size output going use contract next week although output data easy us present , seems little concensus optimum diameter straightforward inhalation therapy \( eg \) say must smaller 5 microns , whilst others say small effective anyone topic could summarise current status \? cheers , pete pete phillips , deputy director , surgical materials testing lab , general hospital , wales pete demon co uk four horse apocalypse nutritional deprivation , state , widespread condition terminal inconvenience official politically correct dictionary
icl se \( urban f \) subject orion drive vacuum \? nntp posting host organization none usenet speak x alt reply address n g u fredriksson wins icl co uk lines 14 leigh palmer palmer sfu ca writes feel sure someone must film experiment , 'd really like see anyone seen \? 've seen film , memory may faulty , remember vehicle slightly meter long , thick 30 40 cm diameter think narrative said propelled dynamite sticks four within 2 , second coming 2 flight max altitude seemed order 50 , hard judge urban fredriksson icl se
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject ahl playoff results , 4 16 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu organization clarkson university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 96 ahl calder cup playoff game \( \) played 4 16 providence 3 springfield 2 \( ot \) baltimore 4 binghamton 3 utica 3 rochester 2 \( ot \) cape breton 5 fredericton 2 game \( \) scheduled 4 17 capital district adirondack providence springfield baltimore binghamton utica rochester moncton vs st john 's halifax series \( plural status \? \) adirondack leads cdi , 1 0 springfield leads providence , 2 1 baltimore leads binghamton 1 0 utica leads rochester , 1 0 st john 's leads moncton , 1 0 cape breton tied w fredericton , 1 1 full 1993 calder cup playoff schedule results home team caps necesary first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm 1 springfield 3 providence 2 gm 2 springfield 5 providence 4 gm 3 providence 3 springfield 2 gm 4 4 17 providence springfield gm 5 4 22 springfield providence gm 6 4 24 providence springfield gm 7 4 27 springfield providence cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm 1 adirondack 6 cdi 2 gm 2 4 17 cdi adirondack gm 3 4 18 adirondack cdi gm 4 4 21 adirondack cdi gm 5 4 23 cdi adirondack gm 6 4 24 adirondack cdi gm 7 4 26 cdi adirondack baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers gm 1 baltimore 4 binghamton 3 gm 2 4 17 baltimore binghamton gm 3 4 23 binghamton baltimore gm 4 4 24 binghamton baltimore gm 5 4 26 baltimore binghamton gm 6 4 28 binghmaton baltimore gm 7 4 30 baltimore binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm 1 utica 3 rochester 2 \( ot \) gm 2 4 17 utica rochester gm 3 4 20 rochester utica gm 4 4 22 rochester utica gm 5 4 24 utica rochester gm 6 4 26 rochester utica gm 7 4 28 utica rochester moncton hawks vs st john 's maple leafs gm 1 st john 's 4 moncton 2 gm 2 4 17 moncton vs st john 's halifax gm 3 4 21 st john 's moncton gm 4 4 23 st john 's moncton gm 5 4 26 moncton vs st john 's halifax gm 6 4 28 st john 's moncton gm 7 4 30 moncton vs st john 's halifax cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm 1 fredericton 4 cape breton 3 \( 2ot \) gm 2 cape breton 5 fredericton 2 gm 3 4 20 fredericton cape breton gm 4 4 22 fredericton cape breton gm 5 4 24 cape breton fredericton gm 6 4 26 fredericton cape breton gm 7 4 28 cape breton fredericton bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac contact rec sport hockey go usa hockey ! adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu congrats boston bruins , 1992 93 adams division champions phoenix suns , 1992 93 pacific division champions
david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu subject spreading christianity \( christian extremist kills doctor \) organization misc student , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 distribution na 1993apr2 cbnewsj cb att com nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr2 cbnewsj cb att com snide , think christianity must convenient religion , suitable occassion since seems one take way one wants go follow whichever bits one pleases reinterpret bits n't match one 's desires , fact , convenient , capable believing god , might consider going brand christianity difficulty left , course , picking sect join many dean kaflowitz yes , christianity convenient following teachings jesus christ ten commandments convenient trying love hateful world convenient turning cheek convenient convenient burdensome times dave many among us feel life joke \( bob dylan \) never let school interfere education \( mark twain \) rumors death greatly exaggerated \( mark twain \) tact getting point across without stabbing someone subtlety saying mean , getting way understood happy every day life would n't human , 'd game show host \( taken movie \)
tthiel cs uiuc edu \( terry thiel \) subject help ! test simms \? organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 13 magnus acs ohio state edu \( wu \) writes hello , got simms , least one work n't know software test simms thoroughly could rely ram test performed computer start installed dead simm lc lc ii , would strange music display screen \? need help ! thanks advance magnus acs ohio state edu shareware think called available ftp sites umich sumex terry
wallacen cs colostate edu \( nathan wallace \) subject orion space drive reply wallacen cs colostate edu nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university computer science dept lines 16 excellent reference non technical readers orion system handbook , eugene gregory matloff , isbn 0 471 4 relevant chapter 4 nuclear pulse propulsion book also contains lots technical references academically inclined enjoy ! c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c nathan f wallace c c reality c c e mail wallacen cs colostate edu c c ancient proverb c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c
qman casbah acns nwu edu \( charlie kuehmann \) subject trouble w vga displays nntp posting host ironman ms nwu edu organization northwestern university lines 17 i'm currently trouble connecting pb true blue \( ibm model \) vga monitor display readable details seperated yellow red colors ie window two images one yellow ghost image red background also little read time ago , ever thought would hook mac vga screen , incompatability vga monitors due sync green signal sound like could demon \? also read hardware \( putting diode green signal \? \) solution software solution problem n't details somebody e mail post \? checked faq 's n't find anything miss somewhere \? sure seems would good thing one thanks replys charles kuehmann northwestern university steel research group
nevada edu \( \) subject software hardware sale nntp posting host helios nevada edu organization university nevada system computing services lines 21 following items sale animation works software macintosh gold disk brand new shrink wrapped copy microsoft excel windows ver 4 0 opened , includes everything including registration card video7 vga card 512 video memory 800x600 resolution everex internal modem video card modem used items interested make reasonable offer wish ship ups cod please email nevada edu thank nevada edu
kmembry viamar uucp \( kirk membry \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? reply rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry organization private system lines 11 read issue 2 wired magazine long article hype 3do 've noticed every article talks designers great , never show pictures output \( least pictures one understand \) kirk membry age age industry rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry alexander rodchenko
cmwolf mtu edu \( engineer day asleep night \) subject question 120vac outlet wiring organization michigan technological university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 13 dave \( dave imax imax com \) wrote require two separate grounds one ground goes ground pin outlet , ground wire connected outlet 's mounting tabs \( thus grounds box faceplate screw metal faceplate , \) thought ground connected metal frame socket christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf mtu edu remember , even win rat race 're still rat
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject v max handling request organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 14 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , ba7116326 ntuvax ntu ac sg \( \) says hello ican anyone handson experience riding yamaha v max , pls kindly comment handling 're kidding , right \? flame bait extreme v max handling \? har har har har dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
earle isolar tujunga ca us \( greg earle \) subject colormaps window managers organization personal usenet site , tujunga , ca usa lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host isolar tujunga ca us keywords twm tvtwm article 1993apr15 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu mouse thunder mcrcim mcgill edu \( der mouse \) writes article 1 cs cmu edu , das cs cmu edu \( david simon \) writes one please explain following piece code causes twm \( tvtwm \) dump core particular , interested knowing whether behavior caused bug reasoning , bug twm anything client causes twm dump core , 's bug twm window managers never ever crash would true mit would fix ! twm \( \) crash bug , could say 've \( almost \) unable crash either twm tvtwm , would remarkable feat desirable boot mean , bug reported , oh , zillion times servers , hand \( want crash openwindows 3 0 xnews server \? xrm xbiff ' \) greg earle phone \( 818 \) 353 8695 fax \( 818 \) 353 1877 internet earle isolar tujunga ca us uucp isolar ! earle elroy jpl nasa gov k ! elroy ! isolar ! earle
organization city university new york f36si cunyvm bitnet subject united nations busy lines 4 chapter 7 operation almost chapter 7 cambodia yugo 'bout time un started using force make peace happen hopefully , soon world economics
cah tactix rain com \( chris huey \) subject workspace managers win 3 1 small review organization tactix , inc lines 28 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 jamie scuglia \( jamie zikzak apana org au \) wrote thanks people recommended workspace managers windows 3 1 found 3 shareware workspace managers , australia 's ms windows archive \( monu6 cc monash edu au \) , mirrors sites u three found 1 workspaces 1 10 \( wspace zip \) review deleted 2 workshift 1 6 \( wrksft16 zip \) review deleted 3 bigdesk 2 30 backmenu \( backdesk zip \) review deleted really appreciate information however , given n't direct internet access means n't archie access must resort using ftpmail means need site name directory workspace managers located , \( anyone else \) post email needed information \? thanks much ! ! ! chris chris huey tactix , inc cah tactix rain com voice \( 503 \) 684 custom software hour
al qiclab scn rain com \( alan peterman \) subject electronic odometer organization scn research qic laboratories tigard , oregon lines 24 article megatest com alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) writes i'm mistaken , altering odometer illegal furthermore , surmise 'll tough alter bmw 's odometer got newer bmw 's electronic odometers making even cars mentioned 3 series late 80 's electronic odometer really mechanical drum type odometer , driven pulses speed sensor rear axle pulses converted mechanical pulses turn odometer speedometer way changing erasing eprom going change mileage reading also means odometer easy \( hard \) change mechanical odometer hand bit easier disconnect speed sensor run car speedometer odometer reading simple switch job also disable speed limiter , enable car reach 's full speed \) alan l peterman \( 503 \) 684 1984 hm work al qiclab scn rain com 's odd get older , days longer , years shorter !
jodfishe silver ucs indiana edu \( joseph dale fisher \) subject sin organization indiana university lines 22 sorry taking sharon 's resp , 'd also like add verses perhaps answer second q verses 1 corinthians 6 9 10 colossians 3 5 10 knowing , 's bit tricky people normally warn however , case , conscience hardened sin 's \( hebrews 3 12 13 \) person idea \( n't care \) sinning course , sins n't know 're sinful begin take searching examining scripture find sinful repent change best question ask every circumstance judge sinful possibilities would jesus wholeheartedly point time \? know , sounds like cop , truly question joe fisher oh , missed one 1 john 1 8 2 11 , 15 23
franceschi pasadena dc bofa com subject gov't break ins \( 60 minutes \) organization bank america systems engineering , pasadena , ca lines 20 los angeles radio station last weekend , lawyers family murdered rancher said los angeles sheriff 's department assessment done rancher 's property raid strongly implies sheriff 's department wanted property drugs \( found \) excuse viet nam , lt tried convicted murder troops , war setting , deliberately killed innocent people time domestic law enforcement agencies country adhere standards least moral military 's greed killed rancher , possibly greed killed davidian children government greed time prosecute leaders perform invasions fred franceschi \( opinions ! \)
ecn purdue edu \( john \) subject flyers notes 4 17 keywords flyers whalers summary organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 17 could someone post flyers record without eric lindros lineup guy trying compare quebec flyers trade dallas minnesota trade nfl \( walker \) need stat back point eric one next great players thanks john
dnewman lynx dac northeastern edu \( david f newman \) subject voltage regulator spec needed ! ! ! ! ! organization division academic computing , northeastern university , boston , 02115 usa lines 13 hi , mac 512 burned part looks like voltage regulator part number bu 406 believe sgs thomas judging teh sgs logo printed package anyone teh spec part would greatly appreciate email import info find replacement thanx advance dave dnewman lynx northeastern edu btw n't need people telling throw computer away money thing would trash second , make good terminal nothing else
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject many read sci space \? article mojo reply sysmgr king eng umd edu organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 15 nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article 1993apr15 mksol dseg ti com , pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) writes actually two us henry , fred , tommy mary oh yeah , n't real name , i'm bald headed space baby damn ! drinking beer robert parking lot k mart ! unlimited insemination message refused software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
pitt edu \( \) subject poor owner iisi organization university pittsburgh lines 16 macintosh iisi , 3 40 , 80ns clock upgraded iisi works well 25mhz , however , work nubus adaptor disk even though read write 800k disk interestingly , upgraded iisi overcomes basically fighting system cpu never reduced 8 mater whether cache pretty useful use virtual memory system 7 20mhz 25mhz 32mhz cpu 5 46 \( 6 0 7 \) 6 81 \( 6 0 7 \) 8 83 \( 6 0 7 \) 8 74 \( \) 6 72 8 56 11 07 9 19 disk 1 44 1 50 1 56 1 49 math 5 72 11 27 \( fpu \) 9 36 8 84 1
clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization becton dickinson research center r p nc usa lines 27 nntp posting host bdrc bd com eagerly await comment ice next door makes habit cage driveway sees coming probably hits , \( made mistake waving neighbor sort , \) riding downhill 60mph local backroad brown came flashing brush well 30mph , intercept course front wheel dog started top hill heard still lead hit road dog approaching left , running full tilt get bike side road went rover looking back calculate final trajectory bad n't notice car approaching 50 mph direction got closeup view poor canine friend 's noggin front bumper , asphalt , getting front tire managed pretty good , impact \( peripheral imminent doom \? \) guess driver n't see probably would lane actually got headed back home , n't seen since sometimes fate sees rick
duvvuri cs odu edu \( v prakash \) subject pointer cursor article cs 1993apr6 2339 organization old dominion university , norfolk , va lines 25 nntp posting host cs odu edu hi trying implement pointer feature xlib multiple windows take input show output simultaneously displays want implement pointer feature would like get pointer come windows choose pointer menu every one able see give hints proceed new xlib replies greatly appreciated thank prakash duvvuri cs odu edu
jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) subject bikes big dogs organization ontario hydro research division lines 17 article 1993apr14 galaxy gov bc ca bclarke galaxy gov bc ca writes article 1993apr14 1 cua edu , 84wendel cua edu writes anyone ever heard rider giving big dog great dane ride back bike dog would love could ever make work ! ! ! post month ! ! ! actually , 've seen riders around pet dog sidecar great dane back though sounds bit hairy yeah , i'm sure lab would love ride \( 's type sticks head car windows \) n't think would enjoy bungee gas tank , 65 lbs beast bit much backpack \( ok 's done \) 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada
us oracle com \( forrest howard \) subject duo 230 crashes aftersleep nntp posting host us oracle com organization oracle corp x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 33 add list bugged 230 owners bunch problems regarding sleep restart 230 first got , without techworks ram finally died , would n't start , opened docking door \( snaps open \) machine came fine , clock decades apple replaced processor board , twice machine frozen \( mouse action \) twice machine refused wake acutally , came , disk spins power adaptor plugged \( good battery \) first time happened removing power adaptor battery 1 minute brought machine back second time happened machine would n't wake powered 30 minutes screen looked like red horizontal lines accross file fax modem preferences corrupted according \) removed fax modem software , third party memory , waiting see happens forrest forrest howard oracle corporation 500 oracle parkway box redwood shores , ca 94065
ji cs columbia edu \( john ioannidis \) subject source random bits unix workstation organization columbia university department computer science lines 32 article 899 pivot sbi com bet sbi com \( bennett todd salomon brothers inc , ny \) writes heard solution , sounded good heard folks experiencing times 30 60 seconds run , reasonably configured workstations i'm willing add much delay someone 's login process approach \( etherfind compress , skip 10k \) takes second two run i'm considering writing end solutions , launches md5 , simultaneously tries suck bits net , net sitting idle ca n't get 10k compression md5 finishes , use md5 way could guaranteed good bits , deterministic upper bound login time , still common case login take couple extra seconds 53 seconds hash 20m core \( bet know source information ! \) , 's acceptable 's part login process going use network traffic source pseudo random information , right thing pass cryptographic hash function , compressor aside fact run faster , give better results \( think cryptographic hash function randomness \) something along lines etherfind x n dd bs 1k count 10 2 dev null md5 trick gives , lack u makes sure dd get ten lines opposed ten k takes couple seconds lightly loaded ethernet bennett bet sbi com ji
rvenkate ux4 cso uiuc edu \( ravikuma venkateswar \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) organization university illinois urbana lines 46 michael ameres f204 n2603 z1 fidonet org \( michael ameres \) writes believe goes go 680060 powerpc pentium quite 66mhz pentium 65 specint92 , 57 specfp92 66mhz mc98601 50 specint92 , 80 specfp92 note important real world applications 486 far 486dx2 66 goes 32 specint92 , 16 specfp92 386 286 resent article one think 50mhz 030 accelerator slightly slower 25mhz 040 accel , using system designed 030 , stands reason system designed 040 ie quadra \) would better overall 'd figure 040 030 2 5 along lines new powerpc stuff supposed run system level fast quadra , system 8 whatever allow 3 times speed 040 powerpc based systems wait 680060 think laps pentium intel chips traditionally faster motorola equivalents although significance chip speed real world application performance something highly debatable pro life pro women michael ameres internet michael ameres f204 n2603 z1 fidonet org venkateswar rvenkate uiuc edu pun no' blessed form whit
maridai comm mot com \( marida ignacio \) subject every lent suffers save us organization trunking fixed lines 17 correction story related one seven apparitions approved church worthy belief happened la , france la , france , must admit , geography forte , lamb succeeds marida spreading god 's words actions mother teresa
zaphod mps ohio state edu ! usc ! elroy jpl nasa gov ! nntp server caltech edu ! juliet caltech edu ! lmh subject americans evolution lmh juliet caltech edu \( henling , lawrence \) distribution world , local organization california institute technology nntp posting host juliet caltech edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 18 article skyblu ccit arizona edu , lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) writes article juliet caltech edu , lmh juliet caltech edu \( henling , lawrence \) writes atheism \( greek 'a' god \) belief god agnosticism \( greek 'a' \? ' know \) belief possible determine god agnosticism defined positive belief belief possible determine existence gods 's belief i'm inclined reject also defined atheism positive belief god fairly large number atheists alt atheism reject definition , instead holding atheism simply absence belief god michael martin , atheism philosophical justification , distinguishes strong atheism mistake get newer dictionary read follow line larry henling lmh shakes caltech edu
hesh cup hp com \( chris steinbroner \) subject tracing license plates bdi cagers \? article cup reply chris steinbroner hesh cup hp com organization hp ux kernel lab , cupertino , ca lines 12 nntp posting host hesh cup hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 1 curtis jackson \( cjackson adobe com \) wrote driver looked casually couple times know knew oh , okay case vehicular manslaughter definitely wanted kill cagers want kill bikers 's explanation think hesh
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject sea \? sea \? said rivers ! organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 27 article 1993apr25 171003 10694 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu \( ahmed abu abed \) writes sick tired 'driving jews sea' sentance attributed islamic movements plo simply ca n't proven part plan ! ok , 'll admit ca n't find quote meager online resources find little gem ``when arabs set volcano , arabs part world people continue fuel torch revolution rivers blood whole occupied homeland liberated '' yasser arafat , ap , 3 12 79 , ahmed right nothing driving jews sea , bit ethnic cleansing , river blood improvement \? adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
x mailer tmail version 1 17r c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really subject thou shalt kill ever applied bible \? distribution world lines 15 crcnis1 unl edu , e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) wrote places bible commandment thou shalt kill specifically applied \? , someone refrained killing remembered commandment , excellent reason commandment aside , please note literary tradition strong narrative , light dialog , virtually nonexistent w r introspection c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
iastate edu \( cire trehguad \) subject nhl team captains reply iastate edu \( cire trehguad \) organization iowa state university lines 18 anna matyas \( am2x andrew cmu edu \) wrote michael collingridge writes , subject , captain ever traded , resigned , striped title season \? team captain trivia would appreciated n't ron francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh \? rick captain flyers traded pens recently caleb let us forget new jersey devils traded captain kirk muller stephen richer man hated trade !
zorro picasso ocis temple edu \( john \) subject taurus sable rotor recall organization temple university lines 23 nntp posting host picasso ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \( balsamo stargl enet dec com \) wrote vm cc latech edu subject taurus sable rotor recall '92 taurus gl clock also rotor warp apparently fixed problem yet try convincing ford service person fix free right ! ! ! tony , heard many horror stories taurus sable cars ! thought premium american automobiles way sell , 'd think ford really better late '70s turning tin cans like \? would get , taurus camry accord \? john zorro picasso ocis temple edu zorro astro ocis temple edu
sang yoon oh andrew cmu edu subject jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner organization junior , mechanical engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 world std com nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply world std com article seven east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes reason limited two mentioned \? n't really point along suv spectrum mention price range explorer , trooper , blazer , , budget allows , land cruiser \? advice buy land cruiser \? local toyota dealer says get two year , want one get waiting list forget test drive even kicking tires rare , doubt much parts inventory hand land simply nice shit load power room fully stocked , cost 40 , 000 think worth money problem get accident \( n't usually break unless forget get oil change 30000 miles something stupid like \) , body parts parts hard locate parts priced also one friend accident past snow storm still waiting front bumper passenger side fender well , test drive land cruiser , suv look like toys one magazine writer called land bruiser 40 , 000 spare suv , get land cruiser forget lange rover sang
cs utexas edu ! uunet ! olivea ! sgigate ! sgiblab ! panasonic com ! nntp server caltech edu ! keith subject political atheists \? keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) rusnews w165w mantis co uk vice ico tek com organization california institute technology , pasadena nntp posting host lloyd caltech edu lines 17 bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes us , even argument n't stand costs far execute criminal country feed , , shelter remainder natural life people believe fault judicial system find one 's greatest virtues assume talking appeals processes , etc \? well , noted people imprisoned life also tend appeal \( though quite much final hours anyway , economics good reason either favor oppose punishment keith
skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au \( shaw goh \) subject loopback connector made \? organization university western australia lines 12 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 35002 4401 uwovax uwo ca wrote need know pins connect make loopback connector serial port build one loopback connector used test serial port thanks help steve ! ! ! ! ! ! ! skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject sabbath admissions 5of5 organization florida state university lines 36 response discussions sabbath , andrew byler commented really followed sola scriptura would worship saturday change sunday law made church , n't acknowledge authority make laws noted protestants consider sunday worship law clh referring faq five sabbath admissions posted bible study group prompted someone send faq argument sabbath part ceremonial law , like rest n ceremonial law binding christians cannot show , scripture , weekly sabbath part ceremonial laws post text reply investigate context accept sabbath binding christians , day worship falls category items individual christians \( since worship nature group activity \) churches free decide churches also decide sin \? interesting divine imperative course must establish rules operation cannot creative god explicitly spoken darius , normal protestant interpretation , sunday law , worshipping another day sin churches free decide day meet , free decide hour would sin worship day , belong church worships sunday show monday , probably worship alone clh
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject feds troll mutilated law enforcement blocks \? originator koontzd phobos organization loral rolm computer systems lines 121 denning skipjack encryption algorithm f , 80 bit family key common chips n , 30 bit serial number u , 80 bit secret key unlocks messages encrypted chip e k , encrypted message stream , e e k u n f , law enforcement block session key k , transmitted encrypted unit key u along serial number n encrypted family key f presumably protocol recovered \( nothing else , differential analysis \) postulate , chip \( logic \) sitting clipper chip communications channel function spoof chip twofold 1 \) transmit channel spoof chip xors 30 bit encrypted serial number secondary keying variable renders serial number family key 2 \) receive channel spoof chip xors incoming encrypted serial number secondary keying variable \( assuming integrity law enforcement block necessary local operation , sequence control , etc \) net result hiding serial number probable known plaintext pattern used filler block containing n \( 34 bits used generating u , u1 , u2 \) correctness law enforcement block determined family key f whereas , one proposed federal agencies denied f , could recover , correctness serial number tested examining pad bits n e n f one could selectively alter law enforcement block , mutilation could detected better approach would entire law enforcement block done group encryption scheme des \( presumably \) skipjack , chances law enforcement block recovered want bet transmission protocol recognized serial numbers decrypted target search \? digital transmission becomes widely available , would requirement clipper protocol transmissions refused containing mutilated law enforcement blocks \? one way avoid notice , would spoof protocol information block containing , well spoofing law enforcement block goal use secure communications scheme , without redress detection key k interception \( contained encrypted within law enforcement block \) data stream returned original state use clipper chip \( system \) required , proper operation somewhat improbable entire protocol contained within clipper chip , yet likely sequence events tested , requiring valid law enforcement block received accepting decrypting e \( k \) spoof chip could implemented anywhere protocols , including resulting serial data stream existing clipper products could , high security encryption systems right \? super encipherment encryption could allow chip used without redress detection use chip , disclosure serial number security must adequate deny serial number , means one see use cut outs clipper phones , number units high enough , stealing would mistake part authority , nice point privacy , serial number n associated particular clipper chip lot chips manufacturing distribution process hopefully list known missing stolen clipper serial numbers n encrypted f , protocols sufficient plaintext super encrypted clipper stream could made difficult altering temporal spatial relationship clipper stream super encrypted stream detection encrypted stream could tip use aforementioned scheme could capture valid law enforcement blocks , use , point valid law enforcement block stored library utilizing session key matching remainder transmission , could simply lie , yet deliver monitoring hostile forces seemingly valid law enforcement block captured law enforcement blocks would used , manually keyed encryption system would require escalation examining protocols blocks transmission code stream might independently attacked based knowledge clipper chip protocols revealed plaintext could invalidated changing temporal spatial relationship clipper stream actual transmitted stream , control secure key generator synchronized endpoints useful life time captured law enforcement blocks might limited based hostile forces using targets following transmission interception would need large number , , hey 's supposed millions things , right \? adding time stamps encrypted law enforcement block probably impractical , wants encryption chip real time clock \? entire idea law enforcement block invalidated
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject guns gone good riddance ! lines 18 article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu , jrm gnv ifas ufl edu says ah love posts like many people already replied one knew would i'm going say much seems like someone decided post see many people would get mad reply going ignore one thing say see surrender arms soon enough , officers around collect resistance useless overwhelm one time listen buddy , 're going quote star trek get quote right resistance futile get right next time \) jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu
rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) subject \( complete pc \) question nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 43 i'm trying transfer software two machines i'm real trouble intel 14 4k \( v32 v32bis \) works fine talk everything comes clear modem , machine , complete pc \( machines seperate houses , direct serial link impossible , copying much data disk pain easier turn machines hours go see movie , pirated software \) end trouble trying set dial connect fine 9600 baud try set comm , 38 4k , stupid thing connects , gives garbage \( connects 14 4k \) machine \( \) uart , 's problem seems stupid thing wants talk comm program 14 , even though take dialing instructions \( respond ok , etc commands \) n't comm program precisely 14 4k looked manual unclear know , n't trouble intel came ready connect way need initialize way particular \? also , 's using v 42bis v 42 \( mnp5 \) connecting \( e , 9600 , since tests zip far \) n't say ideas \? \( btw tried initialization string use modem , gives error one \) moscow grandfather taught literature gone trial confessing 50 gruesome sexual murders whose victims included children young eight events modern history , sunday mail , 19 apr 92
nickh cs cmu edu \( nick haines \) subject ussr reached moon first \? reply gary ke4zv uucp 's message sun , 18 apr 1993 09 10 51 gmt originator nickh snow fox cs cmu edu nntp posting host snow fox cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon university 1993apr7 yang earlham edu dxb105 1993apr12 yang earlham edu 93107 144339saundrsg qucdn queensu ca 1993apr18 091051 14496 ke4zv uucp lines 35 article 1993apr18 091051 14496 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes article 93107 144339saundrsg qucdn queensu ca graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu ca writes turning 'what 's moonbase good for' , ought post 've hundred odd posts go , would think real reason moon base economic since someone space industry presumeably much larger gnp would without space industry , eventually , simply able afford stuff read right , 're saying essence , larger economy , nations discretionary funds waste lunar facility certainly partially case apollo , real lunar colonies probably require continuing military , scientific , commercial reason rather money , \? approach ah , whole point money spent lunar base wasted moon 's like 'd using 1000 \( \? \) bills fuel moon money fund lunar base would spent country base belonged 's way funding high tech research , like darpa good excuse fund various fields research , pretense crucial defense country , like esprit good excuse ec fund research , pretense 's good pan european cooperation maybe think government funded research waste money \( fact , i'm pretty sure \) , count investment spending , boost economy \( look size multiplier \) nick haines nickh cmu edu
cdm pmafire inel gov \( dale cook \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization winco lines 45 article news iastate edu jrbeach iastate edu \( jeffry r beach \) writes article 1993apr15 gordian com mike gordian com \( michael thomas \) writes really n't want waste time battle legalization drugs really want , get prove idiotic idea ! read know fuck i'm talking , eager make fool oh , foolish person know fuck i'm talking gladly demonstrate wish legalization drugs provide benefits highly taunted proponents safer , cheaper drugs along revenues taxes drugs reduced crime reduced organized crime specifically etc , etc ahhh , classic truth blatant assertion technique bad 's demonstrably false take look great britain sometime nice history drug evidence shows periods time drugs \( heroin \) illegal , crime went people die bad drugs times drugs legalized , trends reversed would like prove clueless , get lot wasted posts n't think group intended something easily solved little research great example proof gosh , i'm convinced \( humor impaired \) first , assert something evidence , dodge requests proof claiming know group intended research , 'd done , 'd realize plenty reason believe legalizing drugs many benefits society plausible arguments , , n't enough convince drugs answer i'm willing convinced i'm wrong , seriously doubt likes dale cook town churches bars serious social problem edward abbey opinions mine \( e , employer 's \)
fraser sfu ca \( nancy patricia o'connor \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 11 timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes rule 4 n't mix apples oranges say extermination mongols worse stalin \? khan conquered people unsympathetic cause atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state ! ! anyone worse \? 're right david koresh claimed christian
harvard edu \( michael \) subject help looking cleveland sports mailing list info organization dana cancer institute lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host harvard edu i'm looking address join cleveland sports mailing list anyone knows , would greatful could email copy member , mail one list 's letters could probably figure thanks ! mm mm michael j f dept microbiology molecular genetics harvard medical school f boston , 02115 harvard edu
rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com \( ronald j deblock jr \) subject ultimate awd vehicles organization distribution usa lines 14 article ecs umass edu ecs umass edu writes s4 became s4 called 200 turbo quattro model come wagon , quick wagon rare also mike sylvester umass yes , saw 200 turbo quattro wagon 287 nj monday thought audi stopped selling wagons us 5000 exactly type vehicle would like bet price 4 5 times car budget ron deblock rdb1 att com \( 's number 1 rdb1 , letter l \) bell labs somerset , nj usa
rich bellacera amail amdahl com subject walter \? lines 15 return path amail amdahl com ! rich bellacera juts ccc amdahl com walter tried several times past communicate susan , ignored , n't honestly believe letters mean rather thought thoughtful compassionate , see seen call naive give group lord advised , unwelcome city brush dust feet go anyone cares topic write direct , , well , may god bless well bye group pax
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject divine masters organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 208 divine masters christians would agree , correctly , jesus christ divine master , projection god physical world , god incarnate important related facts christians completely ignorant , followers world religions first , jesus christ unique , john 3 16 standing always least one divine master \( god incarnate \) physically alive world times , continuous succession throughout history , life jesus followers masters founded world 's major religions , usually perverting teachings master process christians , example , added threats eternal damnation hell , deleted teaching reincarnation secondly , importantly , particular master physically dies leaves world , nothing anybody except relatively people initiated still physically alive \( simply way god set things universes \) therefore , christians worship jesus , pray jesus , expect jesus return save sins , kidding , allowed duped religion mostly manufactured romans emotional feelings totally deceiving indicator religious validity things similarly true followers major world religions , including islam thirdly , primary function master tune initiates audible life stream sound current , \( referred word john 1 1 5 , river life revelation 22 1 \) , personally guide thru upper levels heaven still connected living physical bodies silver cord true salvation , completes soul 's cycles reincarnation physical psychic planes , achieved reaching least soul plane , five levels universes physical universe , cannot done without help physically living divine master one divine master alive today american , sri harold , living eck master eckankar organization , headquartered minneapolis , \( p box zip \) another divine master singh ji , living , india , associated mat organization one classic books subject path masters \( books , p box 242 , , ca \) , written 1939 dr julian johnson , theologian surgeon spent last years life india studying closely observing mat master time , singh ji several eckankar books , including authored sri paul sri harold , found public university libraries book stores , obtained thru inter library loan book eckankar key secret worlds , sri paul , another classic many christians likely confuse masters anti christ , temporary world dictator called last days masters n't ever rule , even asked expected jesus people continue following christianity , islam , orthodox religions physically dead master , continue cycles reincarnation , psychic planes miserable physical world , finally accept initiation physically living divine master incarnation book hereafter , ruth montgomery , describes several kinds evidence supporting reincarnation fact life , including past lives 50 accurate mind sometimes makes things , especially bad , spontaneous recall \( especially young children , identify recent previous relatives , homes , possessions , etc \) , dream recall past life , deja vu \( familiarity far land travel ing first time vacation \) , psychic read late edgar , even supporting statements christian bible including matthew 17 11 13 \( john baptist reincarnation elias \) john 9 1 2 \( person possibly sin born , unless lived \? ! \) always use king james version later versions per versions ! strong interests , innate talents , strong phobias , etc , typically originate person 's past lives example , strong fear swimming traveling water usually results drowned end previous life sometimes person take immediate dislike another person met first time life , bad encounter previous incarnation teaching reincarnation also includes law karma \( galatians 6 7 , revelation 13 10 , etc \) people would behave much better toward knew actions present surely reaped future , future incarnation ! 2nd divine master physically dies \( translates \) particular initiate , initiate physically dies \( translates \) , master meet astral level take directly soul plane one correct meaning 2nd coming individual experience , something happens everyone people still waiting jesus' 2nd coming waiting vain planes existence physical universe lowest least dozen major levels existence physical plane astral plane , causal plane , mental plane , plane \( often counted upper part mental plane \) , soul plane , several higher spiritual planes soul plane first true heaven , \( counting upward physical \) planes \( including \) physical soul planes called psychic planes likely esp , telepathy , influences , effects , biological transmutations see 1972 book title , phenomena without apparent physical origin , result interactions psychic planes physical plane major planes also sub divided example , sub plane astral plane called hades , christian hell occupies small part , created less 2000 years ago early catholic church kind black magic simply teaching existence threatening manner christian heaven located elsewhere astral plane good christians go short reincarnate back earth sound current vs blind faith christian religion demands followers extraordinary amount blind faith backed little good feeling \( totally deceiving \) person hearing form sound current \( word , , audible life stream \) , cycles reincarnation miserable world continue sound current manifests differently different initiates , sound like rushing wind , ocean waves sea shore , buzzing bees , higher pitched buzzing sound , flute , various heavenly music , sounds eckankar , members start hearing near end first year member experiences \( soul travel \) replace blind faith information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( 3 books , 2 addresses \) un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine 2nd initiate eckankar , \( agent thereof \)
kelvin seas virginia edu \( gregory \) subject turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece \( armenia azeris \) organization university virginia lines 59 article 93106 auvm american edu auvm american edu writes message id 1993apr15 174657 6176 news uiowa edu mr napoleon responds couple millions greeks living asia minor 1923 someone protect us \? \? \? taking advantage weakness ottoman empire grab land soon got green lights allied forces , occupied izmir cities western turkey killed raped millions people without reason course , paid price mustafa kemal ataturk made swim aegean sea far enough thru turkey anytime past get reward shall get anywhere n't swallow propaganda truth sir british promised \( greek pm \) mainly greek populated areas ottomans given greece , agree drag greece side british wwi \( greek king \) british succeeded bombarding athens \( 1916 \) , killing quite , forcing king , division greece two separate states \( north south \) , finally laying ground division greeks century \( n't feel bitter allies gave green light liked us \) anyway , british succeed establish , war starts second front germans south fighting war east russians , finally wwii came end british \( french \) forgot immediately promises \( usually \) even though publicly say support greek cause , practically nothing , instead , using usual reasoning crap rhetoric pretext , gradually backup kemal \( given british water bread dissolve ottoman contract small ethnic state \) main drive behind british switch plan keep muslim state region buffer russian expansion warm water facilities greek empire orthodox christian state prone become russian client , current state affairs established lands kemal promoted true giants british , since worked realize goals region plan , currently greece turkey recipients big military funds us functioning anti russian buffers , simultaneously remain good clients state dept otherwise use terror changing balance power aegean used exact rational see cyprus problem gr ps n't make anti whatever rhetoric situation region needs said previously mentioned powers anything special way anyone else functions throughout history n't selectively single relevant current afairs
chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( \) subject advice used car \? lines 11 organization university waterloo hi , looking helpful advice i'm university student 7000 spend , i'm looking used car anyone useful advice could offer first time buyer \? i'm looking anything sporty , something functional reliable \( less maintenance costs \) anybody ideas models might suit \? thanks
leech cs unc edu \( jon leech \) subject space faq 04 15 calculations supersedes math cs unc edu organization university north carolina , chapel hill lines 334 distribution world expires 6 may 1993 19 56 03 gmt nntp posting host mahler cs unc edu keywords frequently asked questions archive name space math last modified date 93 04 01 14 39 12 performing calculations interpreting data formats computing spacecraft orbits trajectories references frequently recommended net fundamentals roger , donald mueller , jerry white 1971 , dover press , 8 95 \( us \) \( paperback \) isbn 0 486 0 nasa spaceflight \( dating 1960s \) sp 33 orbital flight handbook \( 3 parts \) sp 34 lunar flight handbook \( 3 parts \) sp 35 planetary flight handbook \( 9 parts \) might found university aeronautics libraries ordered us govt printing office \( gpo \) , although information would probably needed order , determination characteristics ballistic interplanetary trajectories influence multiple planetary attractions , technical report 32 464 , jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , calif , oct , 1963 title says starts basics works way good companion article , utilizing large planetary design deep space solar probe ecliptic trajectories , technical report 32 849 , jpl , pasadena , calif , 1965 need read first one first realy understand one include short summary find second contact jpl availability reports spacecraft attitude dynamics , peter c hughes 1986 , john wiley sons celestial mechanics computational guide practitioner , lawrence g , \( wiley , new york , 1985 \) starts basics \( 2 body problem , coordinates \) works orbit , perturbations , differential corrections also briefly discusses stellar dynamics including short discussion n body problems computing planetary positions net references van flandern , low precision formulae planetary positions , astrophysical j series , 41 391 411 , 1979 look astronomy physics library also said available willmann bell gives series compute positions accurate 1 arc minute period 300 years pluto included stated accuracy 15 arc minutes interactive computer almanac \( mica \) , produced us naval observatory valid years 1990 1999 55 \( 80 outside us \) available ibm \( order \) macintosh \( order \) ntis sales desk , \( 703 \) 487 believe intended replace 's interactive computer ephemeris interactive computer ephemeris \( us naval observatory \) distributed ibm pc floppy disks , 35 \( willmann bell \) covers dates 1800 planetary programs tables 4000 2800 , simon 1986 , willmann bell floppy disks available separately fundamentals celestial mechanics \( 2nd ed \) , j 1988 , willmann bell good fundamental text includes basic programs companion set floppy disks available separately astronomical formulae calculators \( 4th ed \) , j 1988 , willmann bell astronomical algorithms , j 1991 , willmann bell actively use one editions astronomical formulae calculators , want replace astronomical algorithms new book oriented towards computers calculators contains formulae planetary motion based modern work jet propulsion laboratory , u naval observatory , bureau des previous books based formulae mostly developed last century algorithms available separately diskette practical astronomy calculator \( 3rd ed \) , p smith 1988 , cambridge university press orbits amateurs microcomputer , 1984 , stanley , ltd includes example programs basic orbits amateurs ii , 1987 , john wiley sons astronomy scientific software catalog shareware , public domain , commercial software ibm pcs astronomy software includes planetarium simulations , ephemeris generators , astronomical databases , solar system simulations , satellite tracking programs , celestial mechanics , andromeda software , inc p box 605 amherst , ny computing crater earth impacting asteroids gene shoemaker proposes following formula , based studies caused nuclear tests \( 1 3 4 \) c k w crater diameter km g p f n \( 1 6 \) \( g g \) gravity correction factor bodies g e earth , g 9 8 2 g surface e gravity target body scaling cited lunar craters may hold true bodies \( 1 3 4 \) \( p p \) correction factor target density p , p p 1 8 g cm 3 u crater site , p 2 6 g cm 3 average rock continental shields c crater collapse factor , 1 craters 3 km diameter , 1 3 larger craters \( earth \) \( 1 3 4 \) k km \( kt tnt equivalent \) n empirically determined u nuclear test crater 3 2 19 w pi delta v \( 12 4 185 10 \) projectile kinetic energy kt tnt equivalent given diameter , velocity v , projectile density delta units delta around 3 g cm 3 fairly good asteroid rms velocity v 20 km sec may used earth crossing asteroids assumptions , body created meteor crater arizona \( 1 13 km diameter \) would 40 meters diameter generally , one use \( gehrels , 1985 \) asteroid number objects impact probability impact energy diameter \( km \) \( impacts year \) \( 5 10 20 ergs \) 10 10 10 8 10 9 1 1 000 10 6 10 6 0 1 100 000 10 4 10 3 assuming simple scaling laws note 5 10 20 ergs 13 000 tons tnt equivalent , energy released hiroshima bomb references gehrels , 1985 asteroids comets physics today 38 , 32 41 excellent general overview subject layman shoemaker , e 1983 asteroid comet bombardment earth ann rev earth planet sci 11 , 461 494 long fairly technical comprehensive examination subject shoemaker , e , j g williams , e f r f wolfe 1979 earth crossing asteroids orbital classes , collision rates earth , origin asteroids , gehrels , ed , pp 253 282 , university arizona press , tucson cunningham , c j 1988 introduction asteroids next frontier \( richmond bell , inc \) covers aspects asteroid studies excellent introduction subject people experience levels also extensive reference list covering essentially reference material field map projections spherical two easy find sources map projections , \( particularly older volumes \) tutorial appearing graphics gems \( academic press , 1990 \) latter written simplicity exposition digital computation mind \( spherical trig formulae also appear , digitally plotted examples \) ever cared know map projections john snyder 's usgs publication map projections working manual , usgs professional paper 1395 contains detailed descriptions 32 projections , history , features , projection formulas \( spherical earth earth \) , numerical test cases 's neat book , 382 pages worth one 's 20 might also want companion volume , snyder philip , album map projections , usgs professional paper 1453 contains less detail 130 projections variants formulas back , example plots front 14 , 250 pages order 2 ways cheap , slow way direct usgs earth science information center , us geological survey , 507 national center , reston , va \( 800 \) usa maps quote price tell send money expect 6 8 week turnaround time much faster way \( 1 week \) timely discount , \( 303 \) 469 , w drive , suite 9 , , co call tell want 'll quote price , send check , go usgs customer service counter pick add 3 4 service charge , plus shipping \( perhaps accessible \) mapping article r miller f reddy , mapping world pascal , byte v12 14 , december 1987 contains turbo pascal procedures five common map projections demo program , pas , small \( 6 , 000 point \) coastline data available compuserve , genie , many bbss references spherical spherical astronomy , w smart , cambridge u press , 1931 compendium spherical astronomy , newcomb , dover , 1960 spherical astronomy , r green , cambridge u press , 1985 \( update smart \) spherical astronomy , e g , academic press , 1966 performing n body simulations efficiently computer simulation using particles r w j w eastwood \( adam bristol philadelphia 1988 \) rapid evaluation potential fields particle systems , l mit press , 1988 breakthrough \( n \) simulation method l v , fast algorithm particle simulations , journal computational physics , 73 325 348 , 1987 \( n \) algorithm three dimensional n body simulations , thesis , feng zhao , mit technical report 995 , 1987 galactic dynamics j \( princeton u press princeton 1987 \) includes \( n 2 \) fortran code written , pioneer field hierarchical \( n log n \) tree methods described papers w , efficient program many body simulation , journal scientific statistical computing , vol 6 , p 85 , 1985 barnes hut , hierarchical \( n log n \) force calculation algorithm , nature , , 4 10 dec 1986 l , hierarchical n body methods , computer physics communications , vol 48 , p 107 , 1988 interpreting fits image format need examine fits images , use ppm package \( see comp graphics faq \) convert preferred format information format software read write , see sci astro fits faq sky \( unix ephemeris program \) 6th edition unix operating system came several software systems distributed older media capacity limitations included , satellite track , speech synthesis software , sky \( 6 \) , available within sites possessing unix source code license program regarded unix source code sky 0 5mb send proof source code license e miya ms 258 5 nasa ames research center moffett field , ca 94035 1000 eugene orville nas nasa gov three dimensional star galaxy coordinates generate 3d coordinates astronomical objects , first obtain astronomical database specifies right ascension , , parallax objects convert parallax distance using formula part 6 faq , convert ra coordinates unit sphere \( see references planetary positions spherical earlier section details \) , scale distance two databases useful purpose yale bright star catalog \( sources listed faq section 3 \) catalogue stars within 25 sun \( pub space faq stars data stars doc ames arc nasa gov \) next faq 5 15 references specific areas
bill west msi com \( bill \) subject regression testing x reply bill msi com organization molecular simulations , inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 17 megan \( megan cs uq oz au \) wrote 'd appreciate feedback capture playback tools use x clients comparisons comments regression testing tools would great particularly , , , sri 's , starting could find commercial ones , least phone number would appreciated bill molecular simulations inc tel \( 617 \) 229 9800 bill msi com burlington , fax \( 617 \) 229 ftp mail mail ftpmail decwrl dec com offers ftp via email subject cr help cr quit
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject 80386 80486 's difference \? lines 34 article joedal dfi aau dk , joedal dfi aau dk \( lars joedal \) says except clock frequency , differences various types 386 486 processors \? following list know \( perhaps think know ! \) anybody extend correct \? 80386 true 32 bit processor \( cache \? \) cache , also called 386dx emulates 80386 16 bit bus internals 386 , real 32 bit processor , 16 bit hookup outside world 80486 true 32 bit processor internal mathematical coprocessor \( correct \? \) yes , optimized 387 internal internal cache \( correct \? big \? \) yes , 8k \( extended instruction set way \? \) yes , instructions , nothing noteworthy probably sorta like 80486 486 coprocessor 80486dx probably sorta like 80386 nope another name 486 frank psuvm psu edu psu edu computers useless give answers raise taxes middle class pay programs
mcbride ohsu edu \( mcbride \) subject trumpet windows news readers article ohsu mcbride 126 organization oregon health sciences university lines 31 nntp posting host 137 53 60 24 article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) writes article 1993apr21 liris tew kuleuven ac wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac \( wim van holder \) writes status trumpet windows \? use windows sockets \? stuff deleted currently wintrumpet late beta looks like excellent product , several features beyond dos version wintrumpet supports trumpet tcp , novell lwp , also direct packet driver version people using dis pkt shim ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel \( 216 \) 368 3300 cwru school medicine , cleveland , ohio fax \( 216 \) 368 4544 's gonna cost \? mcbride oregon health sciences university mcbride ohsu edu networks technical services purpose writing inflate weak ideas , obscure poor reasoning , inhibit clarity little practice , writing intimidating fog \( academia , come \) calvin hobbes
bobsarv microsoft com \( bob sarver \) subject question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 96 \( hudson \) materialistic point view , could said nervous system matter wrong producing chemical reactions matter \? matter different alive , self aware feels pain \( hudson \) morality relative big hairy deal said , appear person saying morality relative people know hold absolutes moral system personally believe dignity individual right free absolutes recognize moral systems around n't accept reject dangerous anti social \( nazism , forms communism , fundamentalist xtianity , 's slam \) part , almost every moral system agrees two points \( \) sky , everything everything created came god everything , including matter , part god therefore , wrong put parts god test tube make go reactions \? n't form blasphemy \? \( hudson \) generally , christians believe creator creation distinction religions believe one big whole n't accept premises bad know i'm right , get enforce view upon whether like premise since ca n't prove otherwise , n't even intellectual basis resistance accepting viewpoint \( hudson \) long long n't hurt someone else becomes relative rule left want , matter hurts 's big jump two positions , know well n't play stupid realize 're trying dispute call popular morality using think logic , 're stretching bit thin \( hudson \) n't think morality becomes relative , degenerates saying reasoning generally evil hurt people bad \( though n't think sufficient \) well , answer seem opposed moral relativism \( call \) capacity degenerate obviously , , would advocate \( absolute \) moral system whose absolutist moral system choose \? come decision \? people disagree chosen moral system \? \( hudson \) morality considered relative , rule n't based anything , arbitrary rule , people might abandon fine agree typed however , morality gets based something mean pick xtianity base start morality based dignity humans , freedom choice , tolerance , etc never ever rely xtianity anything someone consistent moral system based true principles mean involve xtianity xtianity certainly monopoly principles behavior indeed , fewer religions violating principles
ux1 cso uiuc edu \( leon \) subject dde help \? summary need help get dde work keywords dde organization university illinois urbana lines 24 starting work project using dde transfer data application came excel macro transfer data need 1 2 3w 1 2 3w uses different setup dde macros anyone suggestions good references \? downloaded windows dynamic exchange \( dde \) ms application note books worth getting \? specifics server application ai 450 data system client application 1 2 3 windows v1 1 except macro , provide documentation dde also , problems trying develop application pc , actually get data , need connect instrument help would appreciated , thanks , leon nothing worse itch internet uiuc edu never scratch leon
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject clarification organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 14 sorry , san jose based rosicrucian order called r c , n't remember time stand r c ordo rosae crucis , words latin order rose cross sigh , seems loosing long term memory otherwise headquarters san jose pretty decent metaphysical bookstore , interested books son loves run around egyptian museum cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
b8ha b8ha musicb mcgill ca subject jews islam dr lines 99 nntp posting host vm1 mcgill ca organization mcgill university article cut right margin , try answer read article dps odin corp sgi com kaveh gate corp sgi com \( kaveh smith \) writes found jewish people creative jewish religion foundation christianity islam words judaism fathered religions islam turned father may say ironic threat almost gone , religion wars going raise thought idea believing one god , unite man kind come jews islam believe god , god killing \? like dr 's story \? going stop happening \? going deal many muslims would whole world \? would god get mad , since killed followers , believe god , heaven hell \? peacefull way ending saga \? judaism father islam many prophets , judaism ignores prophets later prophets including jesus christ \( christians muslims believe \) mohammed idea believing one god unite peoples however , note christianity islam reflect fact people different views rights non christians non muslims stated religion man kind needs religion , since sets rules regulations keeps society healthy state religion mostly sets rules people experienced know works society praying , keeps sole healthy god care man kinds pray , man kind hopes god help prays religion works mostly moral issues trys put away materialistic things life religious leaders need make living religion \? may corrupt , turn way make living e muslims pay 20 percent income guess gets cut ! supposed pay 6 income paid please note 6 personal basis poor , need pay \( quite contrary , money often goes poor country poor muslims around world \) also , money required human sense \( e muslim never knocks door ask money nobody makes list mosque make sure paid \( surely n't pass money around prayer services \) \) religion everybody planet earth respects , good toward helps one another , respect mother nature heaven hell created earth acts take today \? within every man good bad , could choose either one , see outcome choice prevent man kind going crazy religion stop another religious killing field , poor gods name \? thoughts \? think man kind would come senses , late \? p side think moses saw god mount \? would god go top mountain \? created earth , could anywhere \? top mountain \? people thought see god reach skies heavens \? god kept coming back middle east \? created god imagination \? jewish people told god , chosen ones \? god 's presence certainly earth , since god everywhere , god may show signs existence places well say sure god shown signs existence profit mohammad married jewish taught trade probably taught judaism quran mostly copy right taurah \( sp \? old \) think god wrote quran \? trade city islam think made center islamic world mohammad wanted expand trade business \? god put house \? qur'an copyright taurah muslims believe taurah , bible , qur'an originally contained much message , thus many however , taurah bible languages changed meaning time \( translation also reflects personal views translator \( \) qur'an still exists language revealed arabic therefore , know mankind changed meaning truly revealed mohammed time many scientific facts discovered traditional scientific methods much later development baby mother 's womb think religious stuff gone far man kind going hurt wise look david koresh , turned \? afraid bigger scale , jews muslims ending ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! god knows sure turn hope wo n't , happens , god religion needed sense keep people harmony keep good things , rather plotting others distruction one earth , one life one god let 's man kind good toward god help us peace please send mail read rest said yes , may god help us steve
psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 18 apr 93 god 's promise philippians 4 9 organization university buffalo lines 8 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu things , ye learned , received , heard , seen , god peace shall philippians 4 9
druwa att com \( \) subject ban firearms ! lines 16 article pandora sdsu edu , chiu io nosc mil \( francis chiu \) writes note lighter side , 've noticed gun banners \( friends included \) one make comments indicate likely resort violent really banning guns would n't end shooting someone else \? could also likely since feel likely resort violence , hard time believing anyone else would react otherwise david olson drutx att com well , say 'll put 'll put n't know put put george
denning guvax acc georgetown edu subject revised technical summary clipper chip distribution world organization georgetown university lines 167 revised version summary corrects errors provides additional information explanation clipper chip technical summary dorothy denning revised , april 21 , 1993 introduction april 16 , president announced new initiative bring together federal government industry voluntary program provide secure communications meeting legitimate needs law enforcement heart plan new tamper proof encryption chip called clipper chip together split key approach escrowing keys two escrow agencies used , key parts needed reconstruct key chip contents clipper chip contains classified single key 64 bit block encryption algorithm called skipjack algorithm uses 80 bit keys \( compared 56 des \) 32 rounds scrambling \( compared 16 des \) supports 4 des modes operation algorithm takes 32 clock ticks , electronic \( ecb \) mode runs 12 mbits per second chip includes following components skipjack encryption algorithm f , 80 bit family key common chips n , 30 bit serial number \( length subject change \) u , 80 bit secret key unlocks messages encrypted chip chips programmed mykotronx , inc , calls myk 78 silicon supplied vlsi technology inc implemented 1 micron technology initially sell 30 quantities 10 , 000 price drop technology shrunk 8 micron encrypting chip see chip used , imagine embedded telephone security device \( \) suppose call someone device pushing button start secure conversation , security device negotiate 80 bit session key k device end key negotiation takes place without clipper chip general , method key exchange used diffie hellman public key distribution method session key k established , clipper chip used encrypt conversation message stream \( digitized voice \) telephone security device feeds k chip produce two values e k , encrypted message stream , e e k u n f , law enforcement field , transmitted telephone line law enforcement field thus contains session key k encrypted unit key u concatenated serial number n , encrypted family key f law enforcement field decrypted law enforcement authorized wiretap installed ciphertext e k decrypted receiver 's device using session key e k k chip programming escrow clipper chips programmed inside scif \( secure information facility \) , essentially vault scif contains laptop computer equipment program chips 300 chips programmed single session scif located mykotronx beginning session , trusted agent two key escrow agencies enters vault agent 1 enters secret , random 80 bit value s1 laptop agent 2 enters secret , random 80 bit value s2 random values serve seeds generate unit keys sequence serial numbers thus , unit keys function 160 secret , random bits , agent knows 80 generate unit key serial number n , 30 bit value n first padded fixed 34 bit block produce 64 bit block n1 s1 s2 used keys triple encrypt n1 , producing 64 bit block r1 r1 e e n1 s1 s2 s1 similarly , n padded two 34 bit blocks produce n2 n3 , two additional 64 bit blocks r2 r3 computed r2 e e n2 s1 s2 s1 r3 e e n3 s1 s2 s1 r1 , r2 , r3 concatenated together , giving 192 bits first 80 bits assigned u1 second 80 bits u2 rest discarded unit key u xor u1 u2 u1 u2 key parts separately escrowed two escrow agencies sequence values u1 , u2 , u generated , written onto three separate floppy disks first disk contains file serial number contains corresponding key part u1 second disk similar contains u2 values third disk contains unit keys u agent 1 takes first disk agent 2 takes second disk thus agent walks away knowing 80 bit seed 80 bit key parts however , agent know 80 bits used generate keys 80 bit key parts third disk used program chips chips programmed , information discarded vault agents leave laptop may destroyed additional assurance information left behind protocol may changed slightly four people room instead two first two would provide seeds s1 s2 , second two \( escrow agents \) would take disks back escrow agencies escrow agencies yet determined , nsa , cia , fbi , law enforcement agency one may independent government law enforcement use law enforcement authorized tap encrypted line , first take warrant service provider order get access communications line let us assume tap place determined line encrypted clipper chip law enforcement field first decrypted family key f , giving e k u n documentation certifying tap authorized party associated serial number n sent \( e g , via secure fax \) key escrow agents , return \( e g , also via secure fax \) u1 u2 u1 u2 xored together produce unit key u , e k u decrypted get session key k finally message stream decrypted accomplished special black box decoder capstone next generation successor clipper chip , called capstone government myk 80 mykotronx , already developed include skipjack algorithm , digital signature standard \( dss \) , secure hash algorithm \( sha \) , method key exchange , fast , randomizer available testing april 22 , chips expected ready delivery june july acknowledgment distribution notice article based information provided nsa , nist , fbi , mykotronx permission distribute document granted
hinds stanford edu \( alexander hinds \) subject sega genesis games sale keywords sega , genesis , games organization stanford university , california , usa lines 11 sega genesis \( barely used \) like sell following games sonic \( \) revenge iii i'm asking 160 obo best reached via email , alternatively , phone \( 415 \) 497 alexander hinds
ederveen athena research ptt nl \( ederveen \) subject micro world data bank ii \? nntp posting host athena research ptt nl reply n ederveen research ptt nl organization ptt research , netherlands lines 18 i'm looking database called micro world data bank ii , database digital map information containing 178 , latitude , longitude points said public domain anyone knows place get \( preferably ftp gopher mailserver etc otherwise snail mail \) please let know willing send file , drop line 'll using program called charles h anyone knows another detailed database used program \( preferably pd \) , would interested replies e mail please , directly , n't read group regularly 's interest 'll post summary , course ederveen \( fidonet 2 283 323 \) tel 31 70 n ederveen research ptt nl ederveen bitnet fax 31 70 c nl admd prmd ptt research ptt research ederveen wish warrior , every language speak lou reed
lazarus dev cdx mot com \( john \) subject many read sci space \? nntp posting host dev cdx mot com organization motorola codex , canton , massachusetts lines 18 rborden ugly uvic ca \( ross borden \) writes quick ! everyone sees , post reply says hey , read sci space ! count , find many ! \) \( also help answer nagging question maximum bandwidth internet , anyways \? \) n't think would better e mail back read sci space count every server world get bw 'd death instead could possible cut past senders single post save header bandwidth meaning taken flame 's late work toward demo little
neilson seoul mpr ca \( robert neilson \) subject warning \( please read \) reply madman austin ibm com 's message thu , 15 apr 1993 17 31 58 gmt nntp posting host seoul organization mpr teltech ltd , burnaby , b c , canada 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu austin ibm com lines 12 sorry 0 auto content , low abiding citizens power protect property using deadly force necessary anywhere threat imminent steve heracleous power steve n't \? n't go shoot kids tossing rocks onto cars \? make sure good job though n't miss 'cause like big rocks take kids mean
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 59 article 1993apr16 pmafire inel gov cdm pmafire inel gov \( dale cook \) writes article 1993apr15 193603 14228 magnus acs ohio state edu rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) writes article stevethc5jgcr 1ht netcom com steveth netcom com \( steve thomas \) w ri tes try justify war drugs , dare ! friend mine smoke pot every day last tuesday took 5 hits acid still trouble aiming bowl takes dump n't , seen results boy , really wish cut drug war people screwed head i'm sorry friend really anecdote nothing justify war drugs anything , demonstrates war miserable failure demonstrates people take drugs want , legal perhaps friend taking legal , regulated drugs doctors supervision might position 's agree , way war drugs failed , opinion , n't mean give change tactics instance , penalties changed dealing coke death dealing heroin death dealing pot death dealing crack death list goes ! ! ! kidding ! ! ! however , serious note , believe take money away foriegn operations south america costly border efforts \( n't think i'm going say , spend educate people , know plenty educated \) actually , spend things like drug treatment programs saw interesting story 60 minutes british actually prescribe addict recommended dosage , try , cut amount levels acceptable sounds good far heard decrease cost , lower addiction rates wiping dealer 's markets , etc \( thing heard \) however , legalizing sticking drugs gas stations bought like cigarettes plain silly plus , never heard recommended dosage drugs like crack , ecstasy , meth lsd 60 minute report said worked cocaine cigarettes , pot heroin ryan
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mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject need advice doctor patient relationship problem nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 9 sounds though heart 's right place , adept expressing received meant profound apology apologies delivered overworked shy people often come like michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
cmh eng cam ac uk \( c hicks \) subject microphone pre amp low noise phantom powered organization cam eng lines 22 nntp posting host eng cam ac uk davidj rahul net \( david josephson \) writes cmcl2 nyu edu ali cns nyu edu \( alan \) writes i'm looking build microphone preamp good low noise characteristics , large clean gain , phantom power \( 20 48 volts \( dc \) \) pzm microphone i'm leaning towards good , low cost \( \? \? \) instrumentation amplifier maintain balanced input microphone , good , internal compensation , use minimal parts anyone experience , suggestions , advice , etc 'd like pass , 'd greatly appreciate without anything really tricky , best 've seen burr brown databook shows good application chip phantom power mic pre 've good results \( part analogue devices \) also introduced looks good paper , n't tried yet christopher christopher hicks paradise linear gaussian world cmh uk ac cam eng \( also reported taste hot sweaty \)
andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) subject usenet hockey draft week 27 price list organization hewlett packard , idacom telecommunications division lines 264 price list week april 13 april 19 andrew buy sell pts team player 158 9 143 0 157 pit mario lemieux 148 5 133 7 145 buf pat lafontaine 142 7 128 4 141 bos adam oates 137 6 123 8 136 det steve yzerman 132 1 118 9 129 wpg teemu selanne 131 7 118 5 127 nyi pierre turgeon 130 1 117 1 127 tor doug gilmour 126 0 113 4 123 buf alexander mogilny 123 4 111 1 119 phi mark recchi 121 9 109 7 119 la luc robitaille 113 3 102 0 112 que mats sundin 111 3 100 2 110 pit kevin stevens 110 6 99 5 108 van pavel bure 108 6 97 7 106 stl craig janney 108 3 97 5 107 pit rick tocchet 107 6 96 8 105 chi jeremy roenick 105 3 94 8 104 que joe sakic 103 5 93 2 101 stl brett hull 102 4 92 2 100 cgy theoren fleury 101 2 91 1 100 pit ron francis 100 4 90 4 98 tor dave andreychuk 100 2 90 2 99 bos joe juneau 98 3 88 5 96 wpg phil housley 98 3 88 5 96 mtl vincent damphousse 96 3 86 7 94 mtl kirk muller 96 1 86 5 95 det dino ciccarelli 95 3 85 8 93 buf dale hawerchuk 95 3 85 8 93 min mike modano 94 4 85 0 91 nyr mark messier 93 2 83 9 91 stl brendan shanahan 93 1 83 8 92 pit jaromir jagr 88 1 79 3 86 mtl brian bellows 88 1 79 3 86 la jari kurri 88 0 79 2 87 det sergei fedorov 87 1 78 4 85 cgy robert reichel 87 0 78 3 86 det paul coffey 86 1 77 5 83 wsh peter bondra 86 1 77 5 83 hfd geoff sanderson 86 0 77 4 84 tb brian bradley 85 0 76 5 82 nyi steve thomas 84 0 75 6 83 pit larry murphy 84 0 75 6 81 phi rod brind'amour 83 0 74 7 82 bos ray bourque 83 0 74 7 82 que steve duchesne 83 0 74 7 80 hfd andrew cassels 82 0 73 8 80 la tony granato 81 9 73 7 79 wsh dale hunter 81 9 73 7 79 wsh mike ridley 80 9 72 8 78 hfd pat verbeek 80 9 72 8 79 mtl stephan lebeau 80 9 72 8 79 cgy gary suter 78 9 71 0 77 van cliff ronning 78 9 71 0 77 nj claude lemieux 78 9 71 0 78 que mike ricci 77 9 70 1 76 van murray craven 77 9 70 1 76 stl jeff brown 77 8 70 0 75 wsh kevin hatcher 77 8 70 0 75 nyr tony amonte 76 9 69 2 76 sj kelly kisio 76 8 69 1 75 nj alexander semak 76 8 69 1 75 min russ courtnall 75 8 68 2 74 min dave gagner 75 8 68 2 74 tor nikolai borschevsky 75 7 68 1 73 phi eric lindros 74 8 67 3 73 la jimmy carson 73 8 66 4 72 cgy joe nieuwendyk 73 8 66 4 72 van geoff courtnall 73 8 66 4 72 min ulf dahlen 73 6 66 2 71 nyi derek king 73 6 66 2 71 wsh michal pivonka 72 9 65 6 72 que owen nolan 72 9 65 6 72 bos dmitri kvartalnov 72 7 65 4 71 stl nelson emerson 72 7 65 4 71 chi chris chelios 72 6 65 3 70 nyi benoit hogue 71 7 64 5 70 nj stephane richer 71 7 64 5 70 wpg thomas steen 71 7 64 5 70 wpg alexei zhamnov 71 7 64 5 70 chi steve larmer 69 8 62 8 69 pit joe mullen 69 5 62 6 67 nyr mike gartner 68 6 61 7 67 van petr nedved 68 6 61 7 67 van trevor linden 68 6 61 7 67 la mike donnelly 68 4 61 6 66 wsh dmitri khristich 68 4 61 6 66 wsh al iafrate 66 8 60 1 66 det ray sheppard 66 8 60 1 66 que andrei kovalenko 66 4 59 8 64 hfd zalapski 66 4 59 8 64 nyr adam graves 65 8 59 2 65 sj johan garpenlov 64 5 58 1 63 tor glenn anderson 63 5 57 2 62 la wayne gretzky 63 5 57 2 62 ott norm maciver 62 2 56 0 60 phi garry galley 61 7 55 5 61 det steve chiasson 61 7 55 5 61 det paul ysebaert 61 5 55 4 60 nj valeri zelepukin 61 5 55 4 60 mtl mike keane 61 2 55 1 59 phi brent fedyk 60 7 54 6 60 pit shawn mceachern 60 4 54 4 59 la rob blake 60 1 54 1 58 nyi pat flatley 59 7 53 7 59 que scott young 59 4 53 5 58 wpg darrin shannon 59 1 53 2 57 phi kevin dineen 58 4 52 6 57 nj bernie nicholls 58 4 52 6 57 cgy sergei makarov 58 4 52 6 57 chi steve smith 58 1 52 3 56 wsh pat elynuik 57 4 51 7 56 van greg adams 57 4 51 7 56 nj scott stevens 57 4 51 7 56 tb john tucker 56 3 50 7 55 wpg fredrik olausson 56 0 50 4 54 nyr sergei nemchinov 55 0 49 5 53 nyr darren turcotte 55 0 48 9 53 cgy al macinnis 55 0 48 9 53 chi christian ruuttu 55 0 48 0 52 chi brent sutter 55 0 47 6 51 hfd terry yake 55 0 47 0 51 van dixon ward 55 0 47 0 51 wpg keith tkachuk 55 0 46 4 51 bos stephen leach 55 0 46 1 50 tor john cullen 55 0 46 1 50 mtl denis savard 55 0 45 7 49 nyr ed olczyk 55 0 45 2 49 van semenov 55 0 44 8 48 wsh sylvain cote 55 0 44 8 48 nyi vladimir malakhov 55 0 44 8 48 nyi jeff norton 55 0 44 8 48 hfd patrick poulin 55 0 44 6 49 bos dave poulin 55 0 44 3 48 la tomas sandstrom 55 0 44 3 48 edm petr klima 55 0 44 3 48 nj john maclean 55 0 44 3 48 edm doug weight 55 0 43 3 47 mtl gilbert dionne 55 0 43 3 47 la alexei zhitnik 55 0 43 3 47 edm shayne corson 55 0 42 8 47 que martin rucinsky 55 0 42 4 46 wpg davydov 55 0 42 4 46 stl kevin miller 55 0 42 4 46 edm craig simpson 55 0 42 0 45 wsh kelly miller 55 0 42 0 45 phi pelle eklund 55 0 40 6 44 chi michel goulet 55 0 40 6 44 edm dave manson 55 0 39 6 43 ott sylvain turgeon 55 0 38 7 42 cgy paul ranheim 55 0 38 7 42 mtl schneider 55 0 38 7 42 min mark tinordi 55 0 38 3 42 det bob probert 55 0 37 8 41 edm todd elik 55 0 37 4 40 nyr esa tikkanen 55 0 37 4 41 bos vladimir ruzicka 55 0 36 9 40 ott bob kudelski 55 0 36 9 40 nj peter stastny 55 0 36 9 40 tor dave ellett 55 0 36 9 40 ott brad shaw 55 0 36 5 40 det lidstrom 55 0 36 0 39 nj bobby holik 55 0 36 0 39 tor wendel clark 55 0 35 5 38 nyr alexei kovalev 55 0 35 0 38 buf yuri khmylev 55 0 35 0 38 min mike mcphee 55 0 34 1 37 tor rob pearson 55 0 34 1 37 van sergio momesso 55 0 33 6 36 nyr brian leetch 55 0 33 2 36 chi dirk graham 55 0 33 2 36 tb adam creighton 55 0 32 8 36 que valery kamensky 55 0 32 3 35 edm ciger 55 0 32 3 35 la corey millen 55 0 31 9 35 bos ted donato 55 0 31 3 34 tor peter zezel 55 0 30 4 33 min neal broten 55 0 29 5 32 mtl gary leeman 55 0 29 5 32 edm scott mellanby 55 0 29 5 32 buf wayne presley 55 0 29 2 32 det keith primeau 55 0 28 9 31 nyi brian mullen 55 0 28 9 31 phi josef beranek 55 0 28 6 31 chi stephane matteau 55 0 28 3 31 bos steve heinze 55 0 28 0 30 phi dmitri yushkevich 55 0 28 0 30 hfd mikael nylander 55 0 27 6 30 buf richard smehlik 55 0 27 6 30 tor dmitri mironov 55 0 25 8 28 chi brian noonan 55 0 25 5 28 sj pat falloon 55 0 24 9 27 stl igor korolev 55 0 24 3 26 wsh bob carpenter 55 0 24 3 26 nyr james patrick 55 0 23 9 26 buf petr svoboda 55 0 23 0 25 ott mark lamb 55 0 22 4 24 nyi scott lachance 55 0 22 1 24 mtl benoit brunet 55 0 22 1 24 tb mikael andersson 55 0 21 2 23 edm martin gelinas 55 0 21 2 23 wpg sergei bautin 55 0 21 2 23 tor bill berg 55 0 21 2 23 edm kevin todd 55 0 19 6 21 nyi david 55 0 19 6 21 nyi ray ferraro 55 0 19 4 21 min brent gilchrist 55 0 18 6 20 hfd yvon corriveau 55 0 18 6 20 nyr phil bourque 55 0 18 6 20 nyi darius kasparaitis 55 0 18 2 20 det jim hiller 55 0 17 7 19 phi andrei lomakin 55 0 17 6 19 buf donald audette 55 0 16 6 18 tb roman hamrlik 55 0 15 5 17 bos cam neely 55 0 15 5 17 sj mark pederson 55 0 14 6 16 pit martin straka 55 0 13 9 15 chi joe murphy 55 0 12 2 13 nyr peter andersson 55 0 12 0 13 ott tomas jelinek 55 0 12 0 13 nj 55 0 10 2 11 tb steve kasper 55 0 10 2 11 min bobby smith 55 0 9 1 10 sj ray whitney 55 0 8 4 9 hfd robert petrovicky 55 0 8 3 9 buf viktor 55 0 7 4 8 tor joe sacco 55 0 7 3 8 que mikhail 55 0 7 3 8 sj peter ahola 55 0 6 5 7 chi rob brown 55 0 6 4 7 bos glen murray 55 0 5 6 6 hfd tim kerr 55 0 5 5 6 min brian propp 55 0 4 7 5 wsh reggie savage 55 0 4 6 5 stl 55 0 4 6 5 la robert lang 55 0 4 6 5 edm shaun van allen 55 0 3 7 4 min dan quinn 55 0 3 6 4 det viacheslav kozlov 55 0 3 6 4 bos jozef 55 0 3 6 4 pit bryan fogarty 55 0 2 8 3 mtl olav 55 0 2 8 3 tb stan 55 0 1 9 2 wsh jason woolley 55 0 1 8 2 nj claude 55 0 0 0 0 mtl patrick 55 0 0 0 0 ott alexei yashin 55 0 0 0 0 wsh randy burridge 55 0 0 0 0 edm dean 55 0 0 0 0 cgy cory stillman 55 0 0 0 0 tb brent gretzky 55 0 0 0 0 buf jason dawe 55 0 0 0 0 wsh brian sakic 55 0 0 0 0 van igor 55 0 0 0 0 chi sergei 55 0 0 0 0 que peter forsberg andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom operation \( 403 \) 462 0666 ext 253 roman era , 28 considered old
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject nerve \( nerve \) article pitt reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 16 article seismo css gov seismo css gov \( brian w barker \) writes mostly right connection vomiting fainting something nerve \? stimulation nerve slows heart drops blood pressure gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
sundar fiber one ai mit edu \( sundar \) subject much would tektronix oscilloscope fetch reply sundar ai mit edu organization mit artificial intelligence laboratory lines 7 nntp posting host fiber one ai mit edu hi 'd like know much equipment fetch used equipment market \( without manuals accessories \) 1 tektronix scope 2 tektronix scope 3 tektronix logic thanks much help
dgj2y kelvin seas virginia edu \( david glen jacobowitz \) subject dumb question function generator originator dgj2y kelvin seas virginia edu organization university virginia lines 35 new scope thought 'd save bucks buying one function generator built awhile noticed two things function generator one , seems bias even pushed , pull know adjust get signal sans random bias really annoying thing damn output wo n't go 1v p p student \( may guessed previous posts \) , often measure input various circuits build many circuits maximum input signals way less amplitude input 10 's range thing , order use function generator divide voltage thing reasonable , course , input impedance circuit going throw another resistor series output generator could ignore , little divider figure 's kind pain ass way could make little box could solve little problem box would function generator input , lower voltage give output impedance low , unchanging number would want lower voltage factor one hundred could build little buffer amp , 'd like box active quick ideas scope 's broken reasons sent shop get repaired replaced function generator way one , please help feeling stupid today , dave dgj2y virginia edu
westes netcom com \( estes \) subject mounting cpu cooler vertical case organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 13 installed dx2 66 cpu clone motherboard , tried mounting cpu cooler chip 1 2 hour , weight cooler enough cpu mount ended bending pins cpu , luckily power yet ended pressing cpu deeply socket putting cpu cooler back far good others problem \? ensure weight cpu fan heatsink eventually work cpu socket mounting motherboard vertical case \? estes internet westes netcom com
magnus acs ohio state edu \( wu \) subject help ! test simms \? nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 10 hello , got simms , least one work n't know software test simms thoroughly could rely ram test performed computer start installed dead simm lc lc ii , would strange music display screen \? need help ! thanks advance magnus acs ohio state edu
lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) subject deconcini ten years ago today organization ideology busters , inc distribution usa lines 120 dennis deconcini , 1982 similar areas , bureau violated dictates common sense , 5 u c sec 552 , intended prevent secret administrative bodies practices , documented hearings sub committee , leave little doubt bureau disregarded rights guaranteed constitution laws united states trampled upon second amendment chilling exercise right keep bear arms law abiding citizens offended fourth amendment unreasonably search ing seizing private property ignored fifth amendment taking private property without compensation honest citizens regard right due process law rebuttal presented subcommittee bureau utterly unconvincing richard davis , speaking behalf treasury department , asserted vaguely bureau 's priorities aimed prosecuting willful , particularly felons possession , confiscating guns actually likely used crime also asserted bureau recently made great strides toward achieving priorities offered either assertions hearings batf 's appropriations subcommittee , however , expert evidence submitted establishing approximately 75 percent batf gun aimed ordinary citizens neither criminal intent knowledge , agents technical violations \( 97th congress 2d session committee print h e r g h k e e p n b e r r report subcommittee constitution committee judiciary united states senate ninety seventh congress second session february , 1982 printed use committee judiciary u government printing office 88 618 washington 1982 letter constituent april 1993 thank contacting regarding bureau alcohol , tobacco , firearms \( atf \) , federal law enforcement agency jurisdiction firearms violations regulations experience chairman appropriations subcommittee treasury , postal service general government funds atf , atf one competent highly professional law enforcement agencies federal government agents atf proven value successful , legal operations unlawful possession use firearms , especially area drug related crimes enforces armed career criminal act calls mandatory minimum sentences repeat felons using firearms carry illegal activity bureau made key component preventing gang related violence , also , educating risk youth dangers gang membership well depriving known gangs access weapons waco , texas case involved execution search warrants atf branch davidians illegal firearms explosives possession \( automatics , semi automatics , machine guns , addition bombs explosives \) virtually every gun case , atf asked trace weapons its' national firearms tracing center , keep dealer federal firearms license information atf federal firearms expert routinely works state local police execute warrants atf , working state local law enforcement texas u office felt necessary execute warrants order legally establish crime committed conclude long thorough investigation illegal gun explosives held members branch davidians addition , atf carefully selected sunday morning , knowing source , inside , men would separated women children area known illegal weapons stored may aware , vernon howell k david koresh spiritual leader branch davidians tipped impending execution search warrants unfortunately , atf lost element surprise cult able arm prepare entry compound hostage situation presented , atf asked fbi become involved since fbi skilled hostage negotiations addition , military tanks brought due serious nature situation firepower branch davidians based learned atf 's role branch davidian raid , believe agency acted , however , deeply saddened loss lives 4 law enforcement agents attempted enter compound civilian members cult fully expect department treasury conduct thorough evaluation representatives law enforcement outside department headed assistant secretary enforcement addition , atf conduct its' review waco operation look forward reviewing findings hope situation waco brought quick peaceful conclusion sincerely , dennis deconcini chairman subcommittee treasury , postal service general government april 7 , 1993 larry cipriani l v cipriani att com
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject wings win organization university toronto chemistry department lines 24 article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes also think hard time pittsburgh face finals \( detroit sportswriters predicting \) although think bryan murray probably best gm ever seen hockey , i'm impressed abilities bench coach general motivator amount talent team , blown away everyone norris another team norris , maybe even campbell conference , hold candle detroit paper terms pure talent , guys pulling weight times year scotty bowman , hand , \( think , correct i'm wrong \) nine \( 9 \) stanley cups , outstanding coach , think could murray faced bryan murray done little gm yzerman , fedorov , cheveldae , chaisson , whole russian strategy product previous gm murray made couple decent trades 's would hardly rank best gm n't primeau , murray 's first decision gm gerald
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject ax atf organization sun microsystems lines 14 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com true , congress said possesion unlicensed automatic weapon violation law congress , however , say possesion capital offense transgression worth getting four good government agents killed 16 others wounded even capital offense , warrant even arrest warrant , search warrant words , evidence illegal arms , enough suggestion get judge sign license search illegal evidence question rodney king case , us doj institute criminal civil rights proceedings batf \? least investigation \? ok , sorry asked
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject political atheists \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 11 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes motto originated star banner tell something atheists motto coins originated smear equated atheism communism called unamerican n't motto various coins since civil war required currency 50 's keith
austin ibm com \( christopher chan nui \) subject two pointing devices one com port \? reply austin ibm com organization ibm austin x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 22 bob davis \( sonny trantor harris atd com \) wrote article unix portal com , wil shell portal com \( ville v walveranta \) writes way connect two pointing devices one serial port \? n't tried believe would interfere \( \? \) even one time would used get b switch rs232 look computer shopper available fairly cheap allow switching two serial devices single port unfortunately poster wants use internal external modem switch n't going help n't using com ports anything else , define different com ports define internal modem say , com1 , external modem com3 really n't worry interrupt conflicts since wo n't using modems time \) christopher chan nui investment reliability increase austin ibm com exceeds probable cost errors , someone include disclaimer h insists getting useful work done
towwang statler engin umich edu \( tow wang hui \) subject needed prodesigner iis drivers keywords orchid prodesigner iis windows 3 1 article srvr1 reply towwang engin umich edu distribution world organization university michigan \( caen \) lines 22 nntp posting host statler engin umich edu originator towwang statler engin umich edu could anybody please provide copy windows 3 1 drivers grabbers orchid technologies use prodesigner iis isa video card \? currently access modem dial orchid bbs help , please following , convenient 1 \) copy binary files directory readable user cell andrew file system 2 \) upload binary files anonymous ftp site \( allowed \) 3 \) uuencode files send electronic mail please notify electronic mail towwang caen engin umich edu thanks advance francisco
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject commercial mining activities moon organization lick observatory uco lines 42 steinly topaz ucsc edu 1993apr20 cs rochester edu nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu reply dietz cs rochester edu 's message 20 apr 93 22 38 07 gmt article 1993apr20 cs rochester edu dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) writes article steinly topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes paul , 's obvious chlorine chemistry banned earth , advocated groups , ti prices \) \) \) well , already sulfate process tio2 purification chlorine process cleaner , however , reason achieving dominance marketplace darn , caught white hot heat technological progress ti used , btw \( oxide \) , replaced white lead decades ago little reduced metal hence need increasing fashion emphasis ti jewelry seriously , 'd say flaw gary 's analysis assumes export oriented economy , maybe lunatics want native ti local use merely issue lunatics \( , children would want stay \) evade issue clearly stated would diabolical foresight establishing sheltered industrial base upcoming great war \) cost effective use right accounting method \) steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer , oh , love strange learn take smooth , suppose b b 1983
fred cis udel edu \( peter \) subject win3 1 use math co processor \? nntp posting host fred cis udel edu organization university delaware , newark lines 6 pc one , windows 3 1 use math co processor \? i'm talking specific apps , os \( want call \) \? please respond email peter \( cis udel edu \)
cleveland freenet edu \( tom kelly \) subject address \? article usenet organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 6 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu anyone current moto guzzi national owners club address please e mail thanks advance ! k
fulk cs rochester edu \( mark fulk \) subject science methodology \( homeopathy tradition \? \) organization university rochester article unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com \( gary merrill \) writes article 1993apr15 cs rochester edu , fulk cs rochester edu \( mark fulk \) writes n't think extra scientific useful phrase discussion boundaries science , except proposed extra rational better phrase fact , quite number well known cases extra rational considerations driving science useful direction yeah , problem holding extra rational examples exemplars , refutations well founded methodology , run smack directions lysenko extra rational cases curiosities guides methodology noted , distinction motivation method experimental result accepted unless described sufficient detail replicated , indeed reproduce result theoretical argument accepted unless presented sufficient detail followed , reasonable , , people agree force logic people try experiments , pursue arguments , sorts crazy reasons irrational motivations large part history science couple negative points make 1 \) theory qi could , conceivably , become accepted without direct verification existence qi example , quarks accepted part standard model physics , direct verification would needed would theory , based qi , predicted medical reality better alternatives central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment , long sufficient body experimental data qi theory predicted better \( would n't hold breath waiting triumph qi , though n't think even coherent theory based , much less theory explains anything better modern biology hard imagine qi theory would predict way rather directly verifying existence qi \) 2 \) science historically progressed sort rational experiment data theory sequence experiments carried , interpreted , pre existing theoretical frameworks theoretical day determine experiments get done overall , huge messy affair personal jealousies , crazy motivations , petty hatreds , like determines experiments , computations , get done keeps going forward critical function science results n't count unless replicated whole system sort mechanism generate test generate part totally irrational , long test part works properly pasteur could believe whatever liked chemical activity crystals even agree acid crystals handed separate handedness , get two chemicals rotate polarized light opposite directions right rotating version indistinguishable tartaric acid pasteur 's irrational motivation led , important , result lysenko , creationists , etc fail usually even produced coherent theories predict much anything theories predict , contradicted experiment , concede point modify theories rather try suppress results \( lysenko \) try divert attention evidence think supports position \( creationists \) mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu
freenet carleton ca \( marc \) subject many europeans nhl reply freenet carleton ca \( marc \) organization national capital freenet lines 52 somebody wrote 'd love see european nhl division ca n't see happen time 's simply enough fan interest moment several crucial markets like germany , italy france sweden finland probably ca n't afford shell 20 30 tickets way american canadian fans call minnesota north stars effect scandinavians love hockey prefer watch local , inexpensive hockey nhl national hockey league love idea , though pan european tv channels could bring millions american networks likely never pay brings question asked \( answer \) nhl could expand europe would north americans playing nhl willing play team europe \? think majority hockey players necessarily interested expanding cultural experience level \( know would pro hockey player \) one recalls players remarks last years makes wonder european expansion could achieved remember lindros want play quebec \( reasons \) nicholls edmonton r courtnall wanted traded la c lemieux said would refuse go edmonton earlier year know many non cultural reasons behind american players played expos complained french fact city quite like us cities one players' wife trying make point went complain could even find favorite brand chips montreal anybody knows happened us football players moved london , spain , etc one year new football league \( 2 years ago \? \) wonder players association thinks going europe would like see european teams , would best way \? marc
adam mit edu \( rob steele \) subject atheist 's views christianity \( accepting jeesus heart \) reply rob mit edu organization mit lincoln laboratory lines 19 article apr 13 00 08 22 1993 athos rutgers edu trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) writes well , , buddhism , , taoism , hinduism , judaism , , , islam fit bit logic quite nicely \) depth , enduring values , thus must true yep 's truth religions , even science christianity n't claim know claim certain things true though contradict truth claims ca n't true rob steele coming understand anything mit lincoln laboratory rejecting facts 244 wood st , 203 us favour facts lexington , 02173 617 981 c lewis
manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) subject gun control \( 're mad hell tv news \) organization manes associates , nyc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 24 j spencer \( j spencer newcastle ac uk \) wrote manes magpie linknet com \( steve manes \) writes jim de arras \( jmd cube handheld com \) wrote last year us suffered almost 10 , 000 wrongful accidental deaths handguns alone \( fbi statistics \) year , uk suffered 35 deaths \( scotland yard statistics \) population uk 1 5 us \( 10 , 000 \( 35 5 \) \) weighted population , us 57x many handgun related deaths uk , , brits n't make murdering 57x many people baseball bats snip examine figures , stabbing favourite , closely followed striking , punching , kicking many people burnt death britain shot death take look 'll see means people shot death great britain stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes associates new york , ny , usa
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject keith ignorant seems \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 16 nntp posting host lloyd caltech edu mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) writes , everything would n't ok , would start wait , religious organizations longer tax exempt , beef could \? would much right lobby would group asked would everything okay answered everything encompasses tax exempt status religious organizations well , everything would n't okay , tell us would n't okay , religions longer tax exempt , would wrong lobbying otherwise attempting influence politics \? keith
bjorn b larsen delab sintef \( bjorn b larsen \) subject bible available every language \( satanic tounges \) reply bjorn b larsen delab sintef organization delab lines 31 article may 5 02 53 10 1993 athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes tongues concept tongues used pentecost seems outdated concept bible available nearly every language , missionaries languages , church need tongues \? guess least people able support claim still lot languages without bible , part bible still many languages able write , simply written version language yet defined ! guess one main goals wycliffe bible translators define rules grammar writing languages world see reason become unemployed future \( provided get neccessary support ! \) still one 3 largest missionary organizations world bjorn mail e mail bjorn b larsen bjorn b larsen delab sintef sintef delab n trondheim tel 47 7 norway fax 47 7
hico2 com \( kris \) subject storing car long term keywords tires cars storage article hico2 reply hico2 com organization high country software lines 16 bought car defunct engine , use parts old still running version car car bought good tires anything particular store defunct car long term \? 'd hate parts go bad someone told 's bad tires move car true \? need props take weight tires \? best reply mail , getting spotty news delivery kris 908 842 hico2 ! hico2 com
markz ssc com \( mark zenier \) subject trace size 15 amp supply organization ssc , inc , seattle , wa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 12 r g keen \( rg futserv austin ibm com \) wrote quick dirty way get higher current carrying capacity pc board traces one kind boards strip 14 romex house wiring cable bare copper , form bare copper follow trace , solder 's quick dirty , get bus bars stamped leads insert pc board mark zenier markz ssc wa com markz ssc com
organization penn state university dxb132 psuvm psu edu subject ide vs scsi distribution world lines 55 article dns1 nmsu edu , bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) says dxb132 psuvm psu edu writes article dns1 nmsu edu , bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) says pc magazine april 27 , 1993 29 although scsi twice fasst esdi , 20 faster ide , support 7 devices acceptance long stalled incompatability problems installation headaches love magazine writers make stupid statements like performance get numbers \? 'll list actual performance ranges , convince anyone statement absurd scsi ranges 0 5mb scsi ii ranges 0 40mb ide ranges 0 8 3mb esdi always 1 25mb \( although non standard versions \) data although scsi twice fast esdi correct \( 0 40 twice 1 25 \? pick whatever scsi setup makes statment correct \? \) even could make statement would meaningless unless understood esdi ide \( include scsi ata \) completely different \( esdi device level , like mfm rll \) scsi 2 controller chip scsi 1 reach 10mb indeed 20 faster ide 120 8 3 9 96 scsi facts great , compare two numbers \( ata several speed modes , way \) article said misleading wrong posted newsgroup mac ibm info sheet available ftp sumex aim stanford edu \( 36 44 0 6 \) info mac report mac ibm compare version txt \( 173 161 may still \) would recommend people call ncr board download ansi specs really interested stuff part problem mac ibm pc scsi though well documented quadra scsi 2 chip apple salesperson said uses fast scsi 1 chip 6mb , 10mb burst scsi 1 5mb maximum synchronous quadra uses scsi slower seems mac ibm see something missing \) anyway , agree 's lot opportunity marketing like scsi 2 compliant tells nothing performance , whether wide support , etc one reference quadra 's scsi 2 controller chip \( digital review , oct 21 , 1991 v8 p8 \( 1 \) \) use \? hopefully good ncr chip \( e g \)
nyx cs du edu \( uncle fester \) subject new study gay percentage x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 23 article apr 17 06 54 41 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568 smacks bigotry really \? said eating eating , \? suppose accept 10 anti octal bigotry \? geez , pc get ! \? uncle fester god wants god wants god gets god wants god help us god wants politics nyx cs du edu god wants good laugh
shah pitt edu \( shah \) subject abc coverage distribution usa lines 28 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 joseph b stiehm \( joe13 pitt edu \) wrote one complaint jersey pitt series show shots , hits one occassion camera check along boards puck slot back show rebound maybe mom 's camera people little experienced joseph stiehm exactly biggest complaint coverage far follow damn puck ! ravi shah shah pitt edu la mu ideas approx translation music bring ideas continue forever electronic sound decibel non stop synthetic decibel
pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu \( paul eric stoufflet \) subject die koresh die ! nntp posting host cunixf cc columbia edu reply pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu \( paul eric stoufflet \) organization columbia university lines 23 article umcc umcc umich edu tim umcc umcc umich edu \( tim tyler \) writes hoping however situation resolved property would remain intact , gov't could sell help pay hundreds thousands dollars expenses incurred koresh flock sheep south american countries , political disappeared , family would get notice death bill disposal body apparently think would good idea federal government initiated action koresh followers , surrounded 51 days , engaged psychological warfare , used heavy military equipment us citizens us soil compound caught fire pumping cs gas knocking holes building responsibility big brother always right paul eric stoufflet columbia presbyterian medical center internet pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu opinions
warlord mit edu \( derek atkins \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization massachusetts institute technology lines 42 nntp posting host mit edu reply jhart agora rain com 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 06 39 11 gmt begin pgp signed message hackers care clipper chip \? give shit anybody 's privacy accept \? perhaps even smart always know 're talking somebody wiretap phone \? find disturbing view ! yes , care everyone 's privacy even n't know happens gov't starts creating legislation clipper technologies become legal encryption forms \? happens clipper type encryption chips available masses \? sure , might method encryption , n't anyone else talk , use \? ca n't assume everyone open appear encryption point specific instance wiretap chip rather , like government telling want copy house key , safe deposit box keys , etc , telling wont use unless totally neccessary sure would n't want encryption different \? derek pgp 2 key available upon request key server pgp public keys toxicwaste mit edu begin pgp signature version 2 2 end pgp signature derek atkins , mit '93 , electrical engineering computer science secretary , mit student information processing board \( sipb \) mit media laboratory , speech research group warlord mit edu pp asel n1nwh
nash lan nrc ca \( john nash \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? nntp posting host 132 246 164 10 organization national research council canada lines 39 article 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) writes dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? date thu , 15 apr 1993 13 59 41 gmt article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com , david tms390 micro ti com \( david thomas \) writes lots editing posts another anecdotal story picky eater never wanted try chinese food , however , finally tried order please girl seeing time never heard chinese restaurant syndrome group us went restaurant shared 6 different dishes n't taste great , decided n't bad went home went bed early woke 2 puked guts outs threw long \( i'm kidding \) pulled muscle tongue dry heaves everything one else got sick , i'm allergic anything know suffice say wont go chinese restaurant unless physically threatened smell food makes ill \( reaction \) dragged suffer beef broccoli without sauces , insist msg n't gotten sick yet funny wife \( girlfriend time \) used get sick eating certain foods various asian restaurants , never knew 'd go pale , sweaty vomit couple us connection msg , response msg \? 's \? also happened brands crackers chips noticed \( later \) msg label n't know double blinds , avoiding msg stopped sick restaurants cheers , john john nash email nash lan nrc ca institute biological sciences , national research council canada , cell physiology group ottawa , ontario , canada disclaimer opinions mine , nrc 's !
nick iam uni bonn de \( b \) subject sunrise sunset times organization applied math , university bonn , germany lines 15 related question \( n't given much serious thought \) average length day \( averaged whole year \) \? function constant 12 hours \? truly symmetric equator \? discrepancy due fact orbit \( maybe difference enough change temperature make seasons southern hemisphere bitter , far small make sizeable difference daylight hours \) \? want know move nick nick iam uni bonn de
wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) subject correction audio relay followup organization malaspina college lines 12 attacked keyboard correction followup audio relays got fouled varying lamp resistance , read , varying lamp voltage 73 , tom tom wagner , audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia \( 604 \) 753 3245 , loc 2230 fax 755 8742 callsign ve7gda weapon 45 kentucky rifle snail mail site q4 , c2 rr 4 , nanaimo , british columbia , canada , v9r 5x9 recyle keep everything ! \( standard disclaimers apply \)
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject new diet works great ! ! ! ! reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 16 article 1993mar30 omen uucp caf omen uucp \( chuck forsberg wa7kgx \) writes sometime future diet evangelists may get diet work obese would obey mode useful research allow prediction types diet might useful given individual diet evangelist good term fits atkins gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
daniel u holbrook dh3q andrew cmu edu subject us drive left \? organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 distribution world reilly fnal gov nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply reilly fnal gov rob reilly tempers initially , cars built driver 's controls right 's way people drove , many earliest cars steering controls center vehicle , discernible pattern left right hand steering controls years 20th century , , america least , left hand wheels became pattern mule team \( horses , imagine \) explanation , however , seems merit dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history coffee stomach mind , ideas pour forth like battalions grand army field battle memories charge full light comparisons magnificently artillery logic hurry train ammunition flashes wit pop like sharp shooters de , 30 cups day
eachus spectre mitre org \( robert eachus \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) reply mjr tis com 's message 21 apr 1993 21 28 13 gmt nntp posting host spectre mitre org organization mitre corp , bedford , 1993apr20 192105 11751 ulysses att com 1993apr21 001230 26384 lokkur dexter mi us sol tis com lines 19 n't get fooled 2 80 \( possible keys \) league 10 80 \( particles universe \) 2 80 10 25 remember 's number \? many elementary particles \( molecules \) one mole pretty small universe ! put 5 gigabytes one tape , would need 10 trillion tapes \( allowing several bytes per entry \) still existing magnetic media planet , wait years \( i'm including existing audio video cassettes total ten trillion 2 , 000 per person worldwide gives new meaning suspicions messages \) robert eachus standard disclaimer use standard disclaimer function message \( text clever ideas \) return better ideas
b1 ingr com \( todd stevens \) subject rebuilding temple \( anybody \? \) organization ingr lines 14 chuck petch writes appears nothing stands way rebuilding resuming sacrifices , scriptures indicate happen last days although israeli government give permission start , think hand god holding project ready let happen brothers sisters , time hand redemption drawing near look ! scriptural levitical priesthood resumed \? jews legitimately prove \? todd stevens b1 ingr com
erics netcom com \( eric smith \) subject 1964 phillies deja vu \? keywords phillies organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 112 previously wrote yeah , phillies played heads almost whole year , caught one 10 game streak old 1964 \( man ! \) big phillies fan time \( age 13 \) september '64 still painful thing remember tell phillies never led league 15 year going memory alone , believe biggest lead 7 1 2 games , 6 1 2 ahead famous 10 game losing streak began , streak seemed found every way lose known man anyway , think end last couple games still thing final day , finished tied giants one game n't dodgers somebody else finish two games back \? one closest last minute scrambles ever ok , guys stirred childhood memories , went research final month 1964 season turns recollections pretty darn accurate , least far phillies record goes september 1 1964 top n l standings w l gb philadelphia 79 51 cincinnati 74 57 5 1 2 st louis 72 59 7 1 2 san francisco 73 60 7 1 2 game game description remainder season date score opponent lead pitcher \( starting winner loser \) 9 1 4 3 houston 5 1 2 bunning \( 15 4 \) 9 2 2 1 houston 5 1 2 short \( 15 7 \) 9 3 0 6 houston 5 1 2 bennett \( 9 12 \) 9 4 5 3 san francisco 6 1 2 mahaffey baldschun \( 6 5 \) 9 5 \? \? win san francisco 6 1 2 bunning \( 16 4 \) 9 6 3 4 san francisco 5 1 2 short baldschun \( 6 6 \) 9 7 5 1 los angeles bennett \( 10 12 \) 1 3 los angeles 6 1 2 wise \( 5 3 \) 9 8 2 3 los angeles 6 mahaffey \( 12 7 \) 9 9 5 10 11 st louis 5 bunning baldschun \( 6 7 \) \( cardinals take 2nd place cincinnati \) 9 10 5 1 st louis 6 short \( 16 7 \) 9 11 1 0 san francisco 6 bennett \( 11 12 \) 9 12 1 9 san francisco 6 mahaffey \( 12 8 \) \( giants move tie 2nd st louis \) 9 13 4 1 10 san francisco 6 bunning \( 17 4 \) \( cardinals back sole possesion 2nd place \) 9 14 4 1 houston 6 1 2 short \( 17 7 \) 9 15 1 0 houston 6 bennett \( 12 12 \) 9 16 5 6 houston 6 bunning \( 17 5 \) 9 17 4 3 los angeles 6 1 2 wise \( 2 4 \) 9 18 3 4 los angeles 6 short baldschun \( 6 8 \) 9 19 3 4 16 los angeles 5 1 2 bennett baldschun \( 6 9 \) 9 20 3 2 los angeles 6 1 2 bunning \( 18 5 \) \( reds move back tie 2nd cardinals \) well far good phillies falls apart 9 21 0 1 cincinnati 5 1 2 mahaffey \( 12 9 \) \( reds take sole possesion 2nd place \) 9 22 2 9 cincinnati 4 1 2 short \( 17 8 \) 9 23 4 6 cincinnati 3 1 2 bennett \( 12 13 \) 9 24 3 5 milwaukee 3 bunning \( 18 6 \) 9 25 5 7 12 milwaukee 1 1 2 short \( 3 4 \) \( cards 2 1 2 back 3rd , giants 3 1 2 4th \) 9 26 4 6 milwaukee 1 2 mahaffey \( 2 5 \) 9 27 8 14 milwaukee 1 bunning \( 18 7 \) \( phils lose 7 1 2 games 7 days reds take 1st , cardinals 1 1 2 back 3rd \) 9 28 1 5 st louis 1 1 2 short \( 17 9 \) \( cardinals take 2nd place , phils drop 3rd \) 9 29 2 4 st louis 1 1 2 bennett \( 12 14 \) \( reds cardinals tied 1st \) 9 30 5 8 st louis 2 1 2 bunning \( 18 8 \) \( cardinals take 1 2 game lead reds \) 10 1 4 3 cincinnati 1 1 2 short \( 5 3 \) \( phillies halt 10 game losing streak cards lead reds 1 2 game \) 10 2 play cards lose mets , reds tied 1st , phils 1 game back 10 3 10 0 cincinnati 1 bunning \( 19 8 \) \( cards beat mets , take first 1 reds phillies \) whew ! finish ! final standings w l gb st louis 93 69 philadelphia 92 70 1 cincinnati 92 70 1 san francisco 90 72 3 n't appear phillies pitchers bunning short really , least four man rotation standard day , well along 10 game losing streak , time probably desperate win cost phillies substantial lead evaporated way used time may made problem worse , although bunning one games year final day 10 0 shutout reds cost reds share pennant bunning pitched complete game six hitter , striking five walking one would see , though , total innings year bunning short stacks rest league also notice phillies played every day least september 1 october 1 n't play substantially games teams , teams couple days stretch eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 , 3610
klee synoptics com \( ken lee \) subject xcopyplane question reply klee synoptics com organization synoptics communications , santa clara ca lines 13 nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics com article neko css gov , nancie neko css gov \( nancie p marin \) writes trying use xcopyplane copy single plane depth 8 pixmap depth 1 pixmap everytime try , see absolutely nothing displayed know data depth 8 pixmap becuase checked xcopyarea screen code fragment looks reasonable , logic valid \? something appears 8 bit deep pixmap n't mean every bit plane contains data try plane \? ken lee , klee synoptics com
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject year 's biggest worst \( opinion \) keywords nhl , awards article blue organization university pittsburgh lines 93 article 1993apr6 morgan com scairns fsg com writes mvp surprise disappointment new york rangers messier kovalev bourque gartner zubov bourque bourque penguin 's gm must laugh head every time thinks rangers loser scott email scairns fsg com fusion systems group usmail 225 broadway , 24th fl new york , new york , usa new york , ny standard disclaimers apply hope future americans thought , vicious people , bet lot high schools would pick jack handey please care phil liked lot pittsburgh n't score lot look stats last year worked butt speed created opportunities offensive zone allowed pens utilize potential n't paying attention year ca n't say know 're objecting injuries though , n't \? offense n't , 's much speed like said , created opportunities n't score much thought money offered rangers little high , pens , guess joseph stiehm article 1993apr6 morgan com scairns fsg com writes mvp surprise disappointment new york rangers messier kovalev bourque gartner zubov bourque bourque penguin 's gm must laugh head every time thinks rangers loser scott email scairns fsg com fusion systems group usmail 225 broadway , 24th fl new york , new york , usa new york , ny standard disclaimers apply hope future americans thought , vicious people , bet lot high schools would pick jack handey please care phil liked lot pittsburgh n't score lot look stats last year worked butt speed created opportunities offensive zone allowed pens utilize potential n't paying attention year ca n't say know 're objecting injuries though , n't \? offense n't , 's much speed like said , created opportunities n't score much thought money offered rangers little high , pens , guess joseph stiehm
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject final solution gaza \? organization department redundancy department lines 54 article 1483500354 igc apc org cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) writes gaza strip , tiny area land highest population density world , cut world weeks another cpr non fact israeli occupier decided punish whole population gaza , 700 000 people , denying right leave strip seek work israel actually , free leave seek work egypt , except egyptians n't want , either going blame gazans establish state gaza palestine \? polish non jews risked lives save jews ghetto , israeli jew known risked life help gazan resistance help given gazans israeli jews , dozens people , humanitarian assistance actually , one jew risk life help gazan arabs hacked death palestinean murderers last week seems risk primarily arabs need help also true telephone , traders seek buy agricultural products gazans , israeli soldiers get involved fighting palestinean groups determined destroy destroy outsiders right gazan population resist occupation recognized international law person sense justice population denied basic human rights entitled rise wanna see try usa know 's going happen known , israeli regime considering gazans unworthy israeli citizenship equal rights israel , although considered worthy dirty work israeli hotels , shops fields many gazans born towns villages located israel may live , areas reserved master race okay 's enough i'm going read posting elias davidsson iceland jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
subject experts penicillin look ! eis calstate edu \( noah \) organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 8 name noah student san leandro high project physics class would like info discovery penicillin , \( sir alexander fleming \) , helps people many incurable also effects allergic info greatly appreciated noah
tichauer valpso hanse de \( manfredo tichauer \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization private site manfredo tichauer lines 83 ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes i'm ignorant holocaust know nazi germany people \( maybe including \) really belong 25 30 usa n't know holocaust \( real word \) first write message id 1993apr24 203620 6531 virginia edu date sat , 24 apr 1993 20 36 20 gmt think israeli press might tad bit biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering later , somebody informed gross mistake , write message id 1993apr25 1373 virginia edu date sun , 25 apr 1993 18 13 51 gmt first let correct goering \( \) ran nazi propaganda machine instead joseph goebbels dare say know nazi germany people \( maybe including us \) \? i'm sure learned history nazi germany austria family resent ignorant statements call people names disagree position opposing atrocities commited israeli hardly qualifies anti semitism think name calling valid form argument intellectual circles , need get often trying make comparisons israels politics nazi german austrian politics shows degree ignorance \( high \) , intellect \( low \) , humanity \( none \) antisemitism \( average \) respect anybody long respects discusses civilized manner would never say anybody israel politics , except uses antisemitic vocabulary terminology israel perfect country politicians also commits errors , even corrupt \( like politicians country \) , carry huge burden care safety citizens , really easy task country surrounded enemies expect israel commits one big error wipe country \( jewish citizens plus called collaborators , arabs wanted live peace jewish neighbours \) map said , israel perfect country , democracy whole middle east country world jews everywhere refuge case persecutions countries living long history taught us cannot rely non jewish nations governments soon les big social economical political problems country , first ones pay broken glasses jews , later minorities country n't think suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians like anti semetic appreciated really outrageous 6 000 000 murdered jews , besides thousands survived way another , rest living ones mourning ! n't know call civil libertarian \( never heard \) know one thing think like , civil libertarians new denomination antisemites may civil libertarians come word group learn beyer right \( civil libertarians antisemites \) , i'm wrong word btw , could n't care less andi beyer manfredo tichauer email tichauer valpso hanse de 14 voice \( 49 40 \) 27 42 27 2000 hamburg 60 germany fax \( 49 40 \) 270 53 09
james dlss2 \( james cummings \) subject borland 's paradox offer organization development distribution usa lines 13 article cvbnetprime com prime com \( tom belmonte \) writes considering buying borland 's paradox windows since would like use database windows \( n't use one yet \) work home use would like advantage borland 's 129 95 april 30 offer package everything borland claims , wondering anybody used opinions \? yes , 's pretty much claim n't time try considering price , even decide n't like , next 2 3 months \( price goes \) 's humble opinion , powerful access
billh greed co uk \( bill \) subject waiting specific event callback reply billh greed co uk organization salomon brothers , ltd lines 20 nntp posting host greed article charon cwi nl , huub cwi nl \( huub bakker \) writes deleted plain using dialog 'in like simply n't done need set callbacks buttons widgets dialog let callback routines work callbacks carry flow logic xview sun actually supports neatly box , return status line , ease coding goes event driven style application summary redesign required delta long option position also generates short gamma exposure return generated delta options thought compensation assuming gamma risk radioactive investment management whew !
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject pompous ass organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 28 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes look , i'm one made nazi comparisons people compared religious people nazi germany said started little things \( one really knew little things , strangely enough \) grew bigger things said motto one little things contradicted motto one little things nobody bothered , huh \? `little' things reference germany , clearly people said similar things germany , one could name said things everyone know , n't going waste time repeating sounds like one knew , either looked books , avail going way intrusions course , motto n't caused problems 40 year history , doubt going caused problems ignore every instance someone describes one caused problems \? , one shown things better motto , 'd likely better n't think motto initiates sort harassment harassment occur whether motto present keith
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject thoughts nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) wrote someone spank i'm wrong , n't lord , liar , lunatic originate c lewis \? 's campollo fellow anyway \? think , n't clear connection believe , absurd notion one original christians \( origen \? \) similar statement attributed anselm , believe may understand cases reason somewhat less exalted anyone posting could accept , means neither statement properly analysed bill
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject procomm plus windows problems lines 24 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 robert j niland \( rjn teal csn org \) wrote much text deleted heard several people less expensive f cards tsd systems \( 407 \) 331 19 95 card , plus 9 95 per 16550 vouch one ordered got 34 including h took awhile figure get working system , since , get terrific results downloading using pcplus windows used get errors started program downloading high speed anymore text deleted tom huot huot cray com
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject stop former beloved damn ferigner 's taken organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 31 article reg triumf ca vincent reg triumf ca \( pete \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes ` ` 54 40 fight territorial dispute ` british canada , old stuff uh , quite 54 boundary dispute still unresolved , canadian us coast guard vessels regularly infrequently 's fish boats disputed waters dixon entrance reason n't hear 's neither country 's interest aggravate quarrel n't mean either country prepared back , especially local political representatives whose constituents fishermen fishing rights disputed 2 nations , matter friendly , always fishing disputes getting 54 fight slogan old stuff dealing land dispute one saying 54 fight fishing rights territorial dispute oregon territory \( called \) long resolved fishing rights small potatoes personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject davidians compassion organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 16 article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes highly christian religious order put fire house , killing people inside way know cultists burned house could batf fbi government 's word , , people started knock search concussion grenades hardly disinterested observers first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization adobe systems incorporated lines 19 article 1993apr20 leland stanford edu terry garfield stanford edu \( terry wong \) writes think jack ferreira 's firing eventually led kingston 's firing mention consistency vision think sharks lost loss ferreira never 3 headed g ever worked need one person making personnel decisions top , management committee conventional wisdom around league ferreira would made moves would fielded better product ice exactly would ferreira accomplished \? three headed gm ship taken lot heat , nobody 's explained things would different ferreira still would ferreira made trades \? would traded \? would made fewer trades \? traded \? sherri nichols snichols adobe com
gmw0622 venus tamu edu \( mr grinch \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization grinchco lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host venus tamu edu summary failed governments news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr18 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes article venus tamu edu gmw0622 venus tamu edu \( mr grinch \) writes article 1993apr18 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes would seem society failed government would ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose never seems occur \? fail see feel way first place constant combat n't particularly conducive intellectual theorizing also , tend get invaded come anything like stable society anyway reason soviet union could n't achieve ideal pure communism hostility surrounding capitalist nations uh huh somehow , sounds familiar , utopian dreams confronted real world steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com steve , 're one suggested failed government ideal proving ground , never felt way first place quite contrary , think better proving ground would someplace already governemnt would prevent outright acts agression , yet strong spirit individualism initiative someplace like texas \) mr grinch
ux4 cso uiuc edu \( robertson \) subject ati ultra pro drivers \? organization university illinois urbana lines 4 anybody know ftp site latest windows drivers ati gup \? thanks
subject 1993 honda civic byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 8 'd like converse anyone purchased 1993 honda civic experience i'm new car buying game would like know price expect pay sedan bargaining thanks advance , ellen
asuacad bitnet subject cds priced immediate sale article asuacad 93096 organization arizona state university lines 10 hey , following cds still available offers trades considered lost brotherhood waves break hearts joe live charles diversity thanks , rich
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject free moral agency jeff clark organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 30 article healta 136 saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes \( deletion \) also said , millions suffer adam ee \? seems pretty sick way going creating universe i'm gonna respond giving small theology lesson forgive , used theology major first , believe planet involved cosmic struggle great controversy christ satan \( borrowed book title \) god consider interests entire universe making decisions \( deletion \) universe created way , tell less let one one 's creatures likes others \? definitions , god created satan full knowledge would happen including every choice satan explain us free , goes along omniscience \? n't god know everything would happen even created world \? concerned tyrant noone would care everything fine \? whole idea comes possibility abuse power , something god introduced according description \? way , sure read faq \? especially part preaching \? benedikt
mcl cc utexas edu subject trumpet windows news readers lines 34 article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) writes article 1993apr21 liris tew kuleuven ac wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac \( wim van holder \) writes status trumpet windows \? use windows sockets \? liked dos abandon since started using ndis access token ring \( results invalid class error \( speak peter tattam , fairly sure planning winsock compliant version definitely make initial public release wintrumpet , follow shortly thereafter currently wintrumpet late beta looks like excellent product , several features beyond dos version wintrumpet supports trumpet tcp , novell lwp , also direct packet driver version people using dis pkt shim ashok ashok , wintrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp \? james r dept finance , 3 250 voice \( 512 \) 471 graduate school business fax \( 512 \) 471 university texas internet mcl cc utexas edu austin , tx 78712 , u bitnet bitnet education hanging 've caught robert frost
pspod hooch lerc nasa gov \( steve podleski \) subject waco , \( masada \) organization nasa lewis research center lines 23 nntp posting host hooch lerc nasa gov fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) writes reef cis ufl edu \( mike full \) writes i'm sick stomach write bd compound fire , burn ground minutes used exactly one word reply , suggest likely ending siege several weeks ago like masada , n't entirely government action defenders held long could , killed , families children rather surrender israel calls action heroic , trains army follow example someone repeated action modern times , call \? liberals supporters clinton say costs made action necessary steve podleski phone 216 433 4000 nasa lewis research center cleveland , ohio 44135 email pspod hooch lerc nasa gov
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject tie breaker \( isles devils \) organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 18 lrw509f rpi edu wangr vccsouth22 rpi edu \( rex wang \) writes might great math , tell two teams ahve points different record \? \? \? man retard ! ! ! ! ! ! ca n't believe people actually put win first tie breaker well n't see smileys trying figure poster dog wordprocessor could n't neither smarter might great math cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
howland noc arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject dogs organization nasa science internet project office lines 27 article ms c 735160298 1147902781 mrc ikkoku kan panda com , mrc ikkoku kan panda com \( mark crispin \) writes i'm biker dog lover wonder bikers horrid reputation go find human ! interesting thing dogs body language great deal effective communicating body language , less actually agree completely unfortunately , majority feelings , even start think rationally dog trying kill , fear 's moment set , like said bit road whatever , 've never problem dogs curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
leebr ecf toronto edu \( lee brian \) subject wp pcf , linux , risc \? organization university toronto , engineering computing facility lines 67 article nyongwa cam org nyongwa cam org \( claude \) writes article ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu \( lee brian \) writes article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw \( ghhwang \) writes dear friend , risc means reduced instruction set computer risc usually small instruction set reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc hmm authority risc \) clearly remember reading instruction set risc cpus rather large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc theoretically supposed reduced longer 's everyone arguing risc v cisc personally , think cisc win take look pentium ! \( like intel architectures either , 's another story \) bye ! mean pentium better risc \? \? first , remember intel cisc \( like pentium \) always generation away best riscs also riscs cpu costly sold quantities \( even order \) remember reading 3 years \( maybe 2 \) \( \? \) 100 mips , instruction i'm 100 sure , think 25mhz \? ya tie together get \( newest kicks anyone 's butt \) n't seen used much though \) anyway , respond , think pentium \( cisc \) better advanced risc \( e g , like alpha , etc 66mhz pentium approximately performance alpha , performance weird specint92 everyone refers \? heard alpha still kicks p5 's butt fp , heard \) computing world , sell lots chips \( like intel \) , make faster \( like intel \) , winner \( like intel \) , even though architecture 10 years ago \( like intel 0 \) make cisc chip \( , , \) ideas behind risc ideology , got cisc chip admit ca n't see advantages risc cisc latest technology generation behind , sucks \( relatively speaking \) may sound like like intel , 'll say p5 real kick butt pile si hope motorola really catches line i'm gonna start crying brian brian hojo lee hey , excuse miss , could gif \? leebr ecf toronto edu leebr eecg toronto edu \( try linux best free un x clone ! \)
albert aiva lt \( albert \) subject many israeli soldiers dark much \? distribution world organization israeli joint stock company reply albert aiva lt keywords ani et love lines 32 q many occupying israeli soldiers \( terrorists \) take kill 5 year old native child \? four two fasten arms , one shoots face , one writes false report 1 similar idea ex ussr many needs place new electric lamp answer nine one stays table holds lamp , four hold table turn yet four run around table opposite direction make first feel bad \( turned \) , lacks kind dark humour nick 's msg 2 mind signature like albert ii \) \( \) ii \) ' \)
rickc krill corp sgi com \( richard casares \) subject vegas odds \? nntp posting host krill corp sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc lines 6 anyone list vegas odds teams making world series \? 'd appreciate mailing thanks , rickc corp sgi com
tsa cellar org \( silent assassin \) subject sale misc ibm stuff organization cellar bbs public access system lines 10 5 25 internal low density disk drive monochrome monitor 8088 motherboard , built parallel serial ports , built mono color output , 7mhz libertarian , atheist , semi anarchal techno rat define tsa cellar org
futon webo dg com \( taber \) subject question virgin mary lines 31 ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) writes much deletion trying explain immaculate conception assumption mary reason \( fallen \) humanity dies adam eve would died fallen true genesis story god concerned adam eve might also eat tree life live forever like gods \? eating tree life would take away effects eating tree knowledge reason assume already eaten tree life already attained eternal life \? , basis saying taken away \? wages sin spiritual death , necessarily physical death attest truth interpretation experience suspect many others could attest well peace william taber taber dg com opinions expressed data general corp futon webo dg com mine alone may westboro , mass change without notice dreams laid rest , get 's second best , 's hard get enough david
iastate edu \( thomas j \) subject brewers injuries organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 21 hi , 've locked small closet chained lab bench last week two without access really important information saw 3 5 million shoulder back dl long \( e many millions inning get year \? \) nothing personal mind , wondering bud keep money lets current big producers go relative \( please realize term relative used sarcasm discussing baseball salaries \) additional questions get see bones pitch spring looking going fit rotation \? shaping defensively third \? going build new stadium \? \? tom
rahul net \( carl merritt \) subject hds computer parts sale wanted nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 26 sale fujitsu scsi drive 450 maxtor esdi drive 425 maxtor esdi drive 225 toshiba ide drive 175 xt case motherboard 50 dtc 16 bit mfm 2hd controler 30 items used , full working condition , warranty one week unless otherwise specified prices 100 negotiable , shipping included wanted developers kit sb 17 svga \( two \) carl merritt rahul net
boell hpcc01 corp hp com \( donald p boell \) subject rockies 2 5 , two errors , 6 walks organization hp corporate notes server lines 36 name pos ab h 2b 3b hr rbi rs sb e avg boston 12 7 2 6 583 galarraga 1b 28 13 3 1 9 2 464 3b 5 2 1 400 cole cf 24 9 1 2 8 2 375 e young 2b 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 321 hayes 3b 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 280 murphy 4 1 1 250 bichette rf 21 5 1 5 3 1 238 clark lf 24 5 2 2 1 208 c 25 5 1 1 3 2 200 ss 6 1 1 167 ss 18 1 2 1 4 g young 1 1 000 pitchers p 12 000 totals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 279 name l r ip h r er k bb era w l wayne l 2 7 3 0 0 3 2 0 00 0 0 0 l 5 4 3 1 1 6 1 80 0 0 0 smith r 12 3 15 3 3 2 3 2 19 1 1 0 ashby r 5 6 2 2 3 5 3 60 0 0 0 r 12 15 6 6 5 8 4 50 1 1 0 r 5 7 7 3 3 7 3 4 76 0 0 0 blair r 5 3 7 5 3 2 3 5 06 0 0 0 henry l 6 9 6 5 4 1 7 50 0 1 0 l 3 7 6 5 3 4 15 00 0 1 0 reed r 2 7 7 7 7 1 3 23 63 0 0 0 holmes r 1 3 6 10 9 1 4 60 75 0 1 0 totals 61 86 51 44 32 42 6 49 2 5 0
ricardo rchland vnet ibm com \( ricardo hernandez muchado \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 74 article 1993apr15 164940 11632 mercury unt edu , sean mcmains mcmains unt edu writes article 1993apr15 144843 19549 rchland ibm com ricardo hernandez muchado , ricardo rchland vnet ibm com writes cd 's cpu n't help much either understand 68070 \( supposedly variation 68000 68010 \) running something like 7mhz speed , truly need sprites wow ! 68070 ! 'd interested get hands one , especially considering fact motorola yet released 68060 , supposedly next 680x0 lineup 8 sean , 68070 exists ! \) ricardo , animation playback lawrence referring earlier post plain old quicktime 1 5 compact video codec 've seen digitized video \( apple 's early commercials , precise \) running centris 650 30fps nicely \( 16 bit color depth \) would expect using algorithm , risc processor able approach full screen full motion animation , though 've implied , processor taxed highly dynamic material sean mcmains check gopher phone 817 565 2039 university north texas new bands info server fax 817 565 p box seanmac acs unt edu e mail denton tx mcmains unt edu sean , n't want get 'mini war' going say , little bit skeptic performance claiming centris , 'll see \( please , flames , reserve c \) \) chicago last consumer electronics show , apple booth walked , showing real time video capture using \( supermac \? \) card digitize make right spot quicktime movies think quicktime using old one \( 1 5 \) digitized guy talking something played back quite nicely real time guy expanded window \( resized \) \( 320 think \) frame rate decreased enough notice n't 30fps \( 30fps \) anymore dropped like 15 fps increased bit , dropped 10 12 fps asked mac using using quadra \( n't know model , 900 \? \) , telling guys quicktime could play back speed even lcii well , spoiled claim say , since 68040 quadra mac little bit trouble n't even hardisk ! memory ! could saw either newer version quicktime , hardware assisted centris , another software product running animation \( like supposedly macromind 's accelerator \? \) \? n't misunderstand , want clarify sake posting computer , claim 320x200 \( tad \) done 256 , 000 colors computer \( hardisk \) 30fps agree , consider mpeg stuff , think multimedia consumer low priced box lot market think 3do would make , longer cd new owner 320 1280 x , 200 600 256 , 000 colors 24 bit palette love ! new low fat sig n't e mail n't valid address send e mail
darling cellar org \( thomas darling \) subject doubters \? hmm \? organization cellar bbs public access system lines 18 jason studsys mscs mu edu \( jason hanson \) writes article 1993apr4 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs leafs make cream cheese philadelphia side tomorrow night leafs without equal , maybe put mildly watched flyers demolish toronto last night , 4 0 , realized matter good 1 line may , 'll need one two decent lines go far playoffs , course , healthy felix potvin thomas darling cellar bbs public access system 215 539 3043 darling cellar org genie darling truth thru technology v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
creek tm csc ncsu edu \( creek \) subject zip later version \? keywords mem organization ncsu lines 27 fombaron ufrima imag fr \( fombaron marc \) writes recent version zip n't work machine motherboard chips say supported later versions , \? thank helping marc last heard , author problems immediate family delayed continuation development time months ago 's shame driver best memory manager found anywhere n't require mode \( like qemm \) works ultima 7 n't take memory \( runs , exits \) emm provider little faster stable eos ncsu edu views one creek tm csc ncsu edu even wo n't claim include std funny stuff h include witty tripe
rob dexter psych umn edu \( robert stephens \) subject compressor problem nntp posting host dexter psych umn edu organization university minnesota lines 18 stereo compressor limiter audio logic \( model mt 66 \) gates work , compressor seems gone one channel , weak 'll probably need trace \( pun intended \) , one experience type equipment could point certain direction circuit likely fail , 'd sure appreciate robert c stephens rob dexter psych umn edu human factors research lab university minnesota
edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) subject victims various fight 's reply 9051467f levels unisa edu au 's message 12 apr 93 21 36 33 organization compaq computer corp tekig7 pen tek com 1993apr12 levels unisa edu au lines 12 12 apr 93 21 36 33 , 9051467f levels unisa edu au \( desert brat \) said tdb 12 disease introduced tribes x million fair , going happen eventually given time , americans would reached europe thing would happened matter got together first ed mccreary , edm twisto compaq com , laughter , would tao \( \) ' \( \)
luigi sgi com \( randy palermo \) subject grateful dead \? organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca lines 16 nntp posting host bullpen csd sgi com article 93095 maine maine edu maine maine edu writes baseball fan fan mentioned band wondering anyone could clue whether dead \( members \) sang national anthem todays giant opener \? would imagine bit early anyone know , answer would greatly appreciated understanding dead sing na giants home opener mon 4 12 giants opening today st louis luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax \( 415 \) 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems , 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view , ca 94039 play , go jail 's law
eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org \( eric choi \) subject mac portable vs powerbook 100 answers \( \? \) organization fidonet node 1 2240 175 5 association mac bbs , grand blanc mi lines 8 internal hard drive upgraded larger capacity \? specs \? 3 1 2 drive \? lps model \? third party modem greater 2400 bps \? fax option \? p notice batteries thru apple catalog eric choi internet eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org
kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) subject screen death mac plus 512 originator kelleyb kelleyb austin ibm com reply kelleyb austin ibm com organization ibm austin , powerpc lines 29 \( old \) mac 512k mac plus , problem screens blank , sometimes minor physical jolt \( inserting floppy internal drive \) , sometimes \( computer left goes blank \) replaced wires connecting logic boards video board , seemed first wires made screen come back worked , blanking returned anything \? need new power supply \? new crt \? new computer \? problem 512 long time ago joints motherboard \( \) fixed turns continuous heating cooling caused \( ring shaped \) cracks develop solder , effectively cutting video circuitry 're solder jockey might want someone else took mine electrical engineer buddy 20 minute job , tops kelley thomas kelley boylan , powerpc , ibm austin , kelleyb austin ibm com buy pay opinions
marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject question virgin mary organization ft lauderdale , fl lines 74 think 're talking assumption blessed virgin mary says immaculate mother god , ever virgin mary , completed course earthly life , assumed body soul heavenly glory defined papal statement 1950 , though certainly believed like immaculate conception , primarily roman catholic doctrine , like , direct biblical support note catholics believe sola scriptura , believe bible source christian knowledge thus fact doctrine little biblical support necessarily significant believe truth passed traditions church , also revealed church i'm interested yet another catholic protestant argument , catholics tell us basis beliefs , think would appropriate clh bible , lot instances god speaks people , person came know piece information , person walks desert 40 days , etc god 's power certainly whatever wants wants bible ends book revelations god 's reign end \? say sure god 's messages either longer happening still happening \? hear proof 8 \) cold response 've gotten past group , 's hard get point across 'll go physical stuff skeptics look documents stored somewhere 've cited bodies saints 're still 8 \) apparitions fatima , portugal culminated miracle specifically granted show god 's existence spinning descending sun seen several countries event approved pope currently , images mary japan , korea , yugoslavia , philippines , africa showing tears \( natural blood \) still investigation church realize investigations take decades finish message christ come ten days , 's bit late , n't 8 \) events investigation inner \( coming know \) , \( person exhibits christ 's wounds n't heal doctor 's n't know \) non believers welcome documents , i'm sure stuff like koresh oral roberts \( give 5m god call home \) 's free find 're happening \( studying \) anybody figure , tell us ! religion resources , go one countries mentioned members events god mary invites everybody conclusion \( finally \) rc 's believe modern day manifestations god mary scared death sometimes although 're told proofs events everything bible although lot apparitions , told read bible far protestant vs catholics issue concerned end , god 's churches unite i'm sure idea point n't worry versus part god 's work 's matters unity come btw , i'm plain person i'm pope 's spokesperson rc mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com lost los angelino
subject ford sho engine parts ! david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) reply david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) distribution world organization cutting edge houston , tx 713 466 1525 lines 21 w work internal engine components sho engine w w good thing , w w 25k miles cam sensor went south 2 different ford w dealers tried 5 6 different fixes , none worked finally w took street local mechanic guy reads w code engine computer , says bad cam sensor , fixes w hour friend mine sensors damaged flood waters , ford sensors registering bad father short circut via paper clip method \( sure exact technique \) , read codes service engine light flashes generated came damaged sensors , went back ford , told wrong fixed car bunch bozos cutting edge bbs \( cutting hou tx us \) pcboard 14 5a system houston , texas , usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb
ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( danny phornprapha \) subject i'm getting car , need opinions organization lehigh university lines 14 30 , 000 budget i'm looking sports gt car think would best buy \? \( i'm looking specific models \) thanks , danny hey ! programmers ! danny phornprapha please consider ip02 lehigh edu bugs another endangered earth student konsultant species needing protection work \( 215 \) 758
nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) subject help ! bikes short \? nntp posting host 145 4 54 110 reply nuet ke pts mot com organization paging wireless data group lines 3 i'm sure older bikes , yamaha virago 535 spec 'd seat height 27 6 honda shadow 27 2
tedwards wam umd edu \( priest \) subject would clipper make good cover encryption method \? nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 11 article 1993apr20 032623 3046 eff org kadie eff org \( carl kadie \) writes clipper might good way cover use another layer encryption true , traditional encryptions schemes , encrypted clipper , vulnerable attacks partially known plaintext \? thomas
neff123 garnet berkeley edu \( stephen kearney \) subject ms windows mature os \? organization university california , berkeley lines 10 nntp posting host garnet berkeley edu find mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever use \? \? many computer literate people see advantages system act like mac ate cat lighten !
kehoe netcom com \( thomas david kehoe \) subject telephone controlled power bar needed organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 25 similar idea , fax answering machine switch , put machines one line order distinctive ringing phone company 3 month get second \( unpublished \) phone number someone calls number , phone rings short rings instead long rings set answering machine 4 rings fax six rings 'd give new fax device would measure length rings detects short ring , turns answering machine five rings later fax picks call cheaper elegant 80 switches available 's i'm giving new friends customers leave old , etc wo n't pick phone hear long rings thoughts , , another 's martin , hanged witchcraft , thomas david kehoe kehoe netcom com \( 408 \) 354
spyder crd ge com \( skip montanaro \) subject circular motif widgets reply dev hollywood acsc com 's message 16 apr 1993 17 16 02 gmt nntp posting host spyder crd ge com reply montanaro crd ge com \( skip montanaro \) organization ge corporate research development , schenectady , ny lines 17 're willing little work , make want , less one colleagues ge crd done internal system matrix transform class makes easy compute series dial positions single set vectors set vectors drawn pixmap clicking button advances knob 's state changes next pixmap sequence using obviously still taking rectangular portion parent widget , 's normally big make things look circular enough skip \( montanaro crd ge com \) ca n't x easy \? , learning \( \)
jayne mmalt guild org \( jayne kulikauskas \) subject weirdness early christians organization kulikauskas home lines 21 halsall murray fordham edu \( paul halsall \) writes recently read peter brown 's body society well researched , well written raises upsetting questions early christians weird even today 's fundies odd views sex , views body , totally ludicrous views demons , distinctly views human beings possible \( last heard , print considering \) read barbara 's search seven hills historical fiction , set rome time early church captures weirdness early christians yet gives holiness odd views make lot sense context society lived found remarkably positive view christianity considering author christian another plus chapter begins original source quote makes good starting point serious research jayne kulikauskas jayne mmalt guild org
dsnyder falcon aamrl wpafb af mil subject real time graphics \? \? distribution na organization usaf al cfh , wpafb , dayton , oh lines 27 article 1993apr5 falcon aamrl wpafb af mil , dsnyder falcon aamrl wpafb af mil writes article taurus cs nps navy mil , oahu oc nps navy mil \( jim \) writes hi , ! typed phone numbers wrong correct numbers commerical package try wave precision visuals 303 530 9000 free package try khoros university new mexico 505 277 ftp eece unm edu login ftp valid email address password cd pub khoros release
vech ra msstate edu \( craig vechorik \) subject moa stuff like ra nntp posting host ra msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 12 've seen 17 years moa member , folks ra also moa guess 's called covering bases get idea really happening else one think ra gets news 's inside moa \? nihilism n't everyone , really matters ! craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador \( ya , finally sent bucks ra \) real bmw 's two wheels politically correct statement dod 843
rice edu \( catherine anne \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization rice university lines 6 could y'all please stop posting stuff tx general tx politics sufficient stuff belongs thanks cathy cathy rice university network systems support rice edu
gov ca \( chris williams \) subject warning \( please read \) organization government ontario lines 71 cybernet cse fau edu vlasis cybernet cse fau edu \( vlasis theodore \) writes tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu \( erik vel happened year ago washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided would really cool throw huge rocks cars overpass four five cars hit several serious injuries , sadly small girl sitting front seat one struck head one larger rocks n't recall made , think comatose month doctors n't holding hope 'd live hell happening great country \? see boyhood pranks peeing bridges , 20 pound rocks \? \? ! society really stooped low \? \? erik velapold society , known , coming apart seams ! basic reason human life devalued point killing someone big deal kid 's see hundreds murderous acts tv , abort children demand , kill sick old surprised kids drop 20 lbs rocks kill people n't care message hear life cheap ! well people unfortunatly , us experiencing human life \( among developed nations \) american raised europe , worst thing happen somebody get car broken , pocket picked slaves russian refugees , thats extremely rare e greece walk neighborhood time night without even worrying germany , walk 4 00 even look behind back , sanitation crews clean streets sparkling whoever know saying dont easy answers nation might get somewhere course postings sould soc culture us reduce crime 'll mean less car insurance rates , thus could spend money cars \( posting rec autos tech \) vlasis theodore software engineer mobile communications sig development remember happening 75 michigan ohio several years back group guys old would rear end car , usually state canadians stop smack bb bat least n't kill sake car think cops put calmed vlasis , safe walking germany refugee \?
subject access bus \( i2c bus \) srgxnbs grace cri nz organization industrial research ltd , new zealand nntp posting host grv grace cri nz lines 37 mx andy macrae corp sun com 6 apr 1993 06 48 34 96 srgxnbs cc 2c bus long haul serial \( also return path andy macrae corp sun com received sun com grv grace cri nz \( mx v3 1c \) smtp tue , 06 apr 1993 06 48 29 1300 received corp sun com \( lemay corp sun com \) sun com \( 4 1 smi 4 1 \) id mon , 5 apr 93 11 48 08 pdt received corp sun com corp sun com \( 4 1 \( \) \) id mon , 5 apr 93 11 48 07 pdt received corp sun com \( 4 1 smi 4 1 \) id mon , 5 apr 93 11 47 28 pdt date mon , 5 apr 93 11 47 28 pdt andy macrae corp sun com \( andrew macrae \) message id corp sun com srgxnbs grace cri nz subject 2c bus long haul serial \( also cc andy macrae corp sun com content length 693 article zephyr grace cri nz write whats required get onto access bus \? nice thing i2c requires one 8 16 pin dil chip , ie cheap easy anyone design bus , trouble buses require host interface chips often board intelligence bruce , latest information access bus call access bus industry group \( 408 \) 991 also , sun hosting next meeting group april 19th , mountain view reason able post newsgroups today , please feel free pass information see fit andrew macrae
et teal csn org \( eric h taylor \) subject electronic tesla coils summary real world applications keywords tesla , coil , osc , flyback , transformers , wireless , emi , ac , ignition nntp posting host teal csn org organization 4 l laboratories distribution world expires fri , 30 apr 1993 06 00 00 gmt lines 48 article 1993mar25 wuecl wustl edu dp cec1 wustl edu \( david prutchi \) writes article spk hp com long spk hp com \( jerry long \) writes fred w \( norfolk vak12ed edu \) wrote couple years ago put together tesla circuit published electronics magazine could circuit referred one used flyback transformer tv onto wound primary windings also used 2 power transistors 3 10 years ago built , 000 volt tesla , thing spectacular , besides scaring amazing friends \( depending knowledge science \) , generating strong emi , never found anything useful could done real world application tesla coils today \? david prutchi first , realize tesla invented ac power generators , motors , transformers , conductors , etc technically , transformers tesla coils general though someone refers tesla coil , mean air core resonant transformer tv flyback version tesla coil \( see encyclopedia electronic circuits v3 , 106 1 diagram \) air core class circuit called shuttle circuit \( osc \) generally osc 's highly efficient , version uses transistors resistors , lossy devices typically tesla used active instead passive resistors , could achieve 99 5 , better usual application air core resonant transformer , osc , produce strong emi wireless broadcasts well think computer screen would work removed hf hv tesla \( flyback \) coil \? remove homes industries tesla coils , lights would go dark , cars would sputter die , radios would go silent , industries would grind halt , would go back using coal heat , gas lamps , horses transportation , steam power , telegraph communication real world enough \? \? \? \? \? \? \? get message ! would 1 100 today tesla give credit credit due ! edison , 'd still 19th century \( flame peril i'm good putting edison \) et tesla 100 years ahead time perhaps time comes
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject political atheists \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 12 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu mathew mathew mantis co uk writes perhaps n't people could watch closely instead cost would probably similar , especially implanted sort electronic device wait commit crime \? implant devices potential criminals like communists atheists \? sorry , n't follow reasoning proposing punish people commit crime \? justification \? keith
world std com \( stephen c \) subject need postscript info summary seeking algorithm keywords postscript emulation adjust stroke organization sq software via world public access unix , brookline , lines 31 need information display postscript feature feature adjusts endpoints lines displayed line looks better low resolution devices postscript literature explains process extent also give example emulate postscript environments absent suggested emulation modify coordinates endpoints line using following formula coordinate new coord \( round \( old coord 0 25 \) \) 0 25 end coordinates ending 25 reading thought might actually new coord \( \( \( old coord 2 \) \) 2 \) 0 25 results coordinates ending either 0 25 0 75 whichever closer actual comparisons display postscript , find neither dps really uses since like dps result looks better stuff looks , 'd like know anyone knows dps willing able tell thanks , steve world std com
schaefer sal sun121 usc edu \( peter schaefer \) subject give 1 billion first year long moon residents \? organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host sal sun121 usc edu article 1993apr19 1 aurora alaska edu , nsmca aurora alaska edu writes article 6zv82b2w165w theporch raider net , gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) writes continuin talk end space age complaints government large cost , try something read might work announce reward 1 billion would go first corporation successfully keeps least 1 person alive moon year 'd see inexpensive popular technologies begin developed 'd different kind space race ! gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) theporch raider net 615 297 7951 macinteresteds nashville true , 'd go friends could pool resources maybe make prize kind liek solar car race australia anybody game contest ! michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked oh gee , billion dollars ! 'd enough cover cost feasability study ! happy , happy , joy ! joy ! peter f schaefer
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reidg pacs pha pa us \( reid goldsborough \) subject new software sale keywords software distribution na organization philadelphia area computer society lines 34 programs include complete printed manuals registration cards need get rid excess 're latest versions 've priced programs less half list price significantly less cheapest mail order price around microsoft entertainment pack volume one , includes eight different windows based games , including tetris , taipei , minesweeper , , golf , cruel , pegged , , list 49 , sale 20 joking windows 1 0 , database jokes , quickly find jokes many different occasions , useful business writers , , , others , 2 , 800 jokes 250 topics , search keyword author , list 49 , sale 25 humor processor 2 02 , dos based database jokes , requires 384 kb ram , along thousands categorized jokes quickly find also includes online tutorial writing jokes proven comedy , list 99 , sale 45 history world 1 0 , multimedia cd rom covering cave society present , includes recordings 25 famous speeches , , others , list 795 , sale 160 're interested programs , please phone 215 885 \( philadelphia \) 'll save package reid goldsborough reidg pacs pha pa us
netcom com \( gert \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? article netcom organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 39 article optimla aimla com lex optimla aimla com \( lex van sonderen \) writes article zola esd sgi com erik esd sgi com \( erik fortune \) writes better cdi much better cdi course , agree horsepower horsepower measurement full motion , full screen video yet cd rom xa \? starting 4 quarter 1993 first 3do manufactured panasonic available late year number manufacturers reported 3do compatible boxes works manufacturers \? shall see date 3do marketing rep recently offered phillips marketing rep 100 bet 3do would boxes market schedule phillips rep declined bet , probably knew 3do players already pre production manufacturing runs , 6 months commercial release date time commercial release , manufacturers 3do players announced possibly already production chip sets full production number software companies designing titles box 300 know \? bar road 3do headquarters last week folks little loudly company business information third hand worth paid \) second hand , still hard look future \) lex van sonderen lex aimla com philips interactive media impartial source !
keele ac uk \( c \) subject change licensed data windows 3 1 \? lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host seq1 cc keele ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 write licensed , ca n't change name underneth think wish change would pirate , 're going promote ! computer supplied name mix upper lower case , workplace mis typed i'm getting fed ! took 20 \( ! \) phone calls supplier get computer working really ca n't face tackling chris
jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) subject gun control organization interactive media group university massachusetts lowell lines 76 article 1993apr16 synapse bms com , hambidge bms com writes actually , words well regulated , necessary security free state present , used adjective modify , followed main clause sentence , subject 'the right' , verb asserts right keep bear arms essential maintaining free state yes , agree first half amendment modify noun militia modify applies well regulated modifies militia qualify limit meaning example , wet day phrase wet day amendment similiar statement wet day , annoying , right people keep wear boots , shall infringed dry day pertain right use boots \? similiar , unorganized militia due right guns \? sentence second amendment n't restrict right , state imply possession right anyone anything people make positive statement regarding right people people , , first , fourth , ninth , tenth , well second amendment existence right assumed granted amendment stated implied condition relating right bear arms necessity well regulated militia security words , entire sentence says right keep bear arms unconditional , unconditional , shall infringed infringed defined break ignore terms obligations \( oath , agreement , law , like \) violate go beyond boundaries limits encroach definition implies following form existing agreement laws agreements made advance boundaries limits behavior set society whole word unconditional implies agreements previous agreements , opposite words used first amendment much stronger , e , congress shall make law , much stronger clearly imply unconditional writers amendment , wanted unconditional n't says , congress shall make laws pertaining right people keep bear arms \? second amendment implies sort contract people people state bigger part contract people right government laws time guarantee right , laws cannot stopped people forming well militia duties well regulated militia government federalist 29 limits governmental control militia article section 8 , article ii section 2 , second amendment constitution modern document , john lawrence rutledge smart index hyper links stretching research assistant world data net terribly frustrating flip back forth interactive media group pages crude flat illustrations computer science department never even moved animated umass lowell arrows zoom ins completely lacked 1 university ave sound lowell , 01854 problem new words normal text 'd \( 508 \) 934 touch unfamiliar word definition jrutledg cs ulowell edu would pop david 's earth
mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) subject belated predictions \( nl \) reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 34 mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article apr 4 19 42 08 1993 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net \( bob gajarsky hobokenite \) writes javier lopez better catcher greg olson ever history baseball 22 year old \( younger \) rookie catcher compared favorably among league catchers terms defense brought 247 bat \? n't sandy alomar supposed good rookie year \? n't santiago supposed good rookie year \? hrm sandy alomar , 24 year old rookie 132 games , 290 326 418 threw baserunners santiago , 22 year old rookie 146 games , 300 324 467 threw baserunners , ivan rodriguez , 20 year old rookies 88 games , 264 276 354 n't exactly suck behind plate continue thread others mentioned , get point others seem quick dismiss veterans favor hot young rookies perhaps perhaps management team pennant winning braves knows something perhaps know , 21 22 year old rookies come majors make impact true makes important realize one season last year , adjusted major league , 306 330 472 , 15 hrs bad behind plate better olson 's 238 316 328 \? mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com would admire hitting ryne , ever hit head might past tense casey
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 13 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net somebody asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? precisely government must cut knees pulls stunts like , lest situation worsen point extreme measures required
jonathan comp lancs ac uk \( mr j j trevor \) subject genesis megadrive games sale trade organization department computing lancaster university , uk lines 23 following genesis megadrive games sale trade genesis md \( snes games \) games work us uk machines \( 50 60hz \) except stated boxed instructions warriors eternal sun death duel forever man wonder boy monster land super monaco gp 2 \( \) ill accept us uk sterling make offer ! cheers jonathan phone 44 524 address department computing ' ' fax 44 524 lancaster university e mail jonathan comp lancs ac uk lancaster , lancs , u k
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject wanted hardware pc article doug 1993apr6 organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 22 ncr mpd ftcollinsco ncr com brad wright writes know much pc 's \( ibm comp \) might try joystick port though n't tried , 've told port built converters would allow joystick couple pots could find specs might work believe converters found joystick port really timers tick long takes r c circuit \( r paddle \) charge something like 1 2 vcc games works pretty well , certainly would n't want try take lab measurements something non linear hmm suppose could software , real problem precision measurement longer constant \( higher voltages would precise \) hand , could wrong perhaps game card designers extra 50 make cheap constant current source op amp would n't expect joel kolstad
conradie firga sun ac za \( gerrit conradie \) subject arcade style buttons joysticks organization university stellenbosch , sa lines 8 article 1993apr21 lynx dac northeastern edu dnewman lynx dac northeastern edu \( david f newman \) writes subject arcade style buttons joysticks anyone tell possible purchase controls found arcade style games many projects working would common joystick found computer shops \? gerrit
gould waterloo hp com \( dan gould \) subject telephone controlled power bar needed nntp posting host waterloo hp com organization hp div waterloo canada x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 9 lines 16 would appreciate help locating telephone controlled power bar pc unit would power pc telephone rings keep long telephone connection present also need able power pc use external timer supply power contact closure summarize post results query thank dan gould gould waterloo hp com
taybh hpsgm2 sgp hp com \( beng hang tay \) subject cirrus logic 5426 graph card organization hp singapore notes server lines 17 comp os ms windows misc , gardner kosmos wcc govt nz \( andy gardner \) writes article news cs tu berlin de , wong cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang jung \) writes version 1 3 drivers due release cirrus soon unfortunately , available via ftp , dial bbs usa nz using 14 4k modem cut phone bills took around 7 minutes download v1 2 driver could please upload ftp sites \( ftp indiana edu \) announce \? benefit people access bbs usa \( like \) \) \? thanks lot beng hang tay
dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) subject good grief ! \( candida albicans \? \) organization p dyer computer consulting , cambridge article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes convincing evidence disease exists 's lot evidence , n't adequately gathered published way convince die hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word used snort ah , go sinuses example , dr ivker , wrote book sinus survival , always gives , oh , wow classic textbook hey , laughed einstein , ! treatment , systemic anti fungal \( nizoral \) new patients 've spectrum anti 4 times last two years 's kept record results , 2000 patients found 90 patients get significant relief allergic sinus symptoms course , beginning program yeah , 'll bet tomorrow , world listen , uncontrolled studies like worthless case , reported weeks ago , developing classic symptoms outlined 'the yeast connection' \( agree poorly written book \) e g , extreme sensitivity plastics , , etc never \( started november \) within one week full dosage sporanox , sensitivity chemicals fully disappeared sit couch home without dying two minutes i'm also greatly improved areas well i'm sure sound like typical responds miracle cures course , allergy symptoms , etc especially allergic molds , yeasts , etc n't take rocket scientist figure one excessive colonization yeast body , natural allergy yeasts , threshold would reached would perceptible symptoms yeah , makes sense , course taken seriously snort also , yeast produce toxins various sorts , , n't rocket scientist realize toxins cause problems people yeah , sounds reasonable course , 60 , 000 question whether person immune compromised \( tests showed 5 years antibiotics , deficiencies stress infections allergies , etc \) , oh , really \? tests \? immune compromised , ass like credulous psychiatric syndrome develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere body tough question answer since testing excessive yeast colonization easy one almost take empirical approach diagnosis fortunately , sporanox relatively safe unlike past anti fungals \( still careful , however \) 's reason longer withhold sporanox treatment empirical reasons know , 's shame drug like itraconazole misused way 's ridiculously expensive , potentially toxic trouble n't toxic enough , gets abused quacks btw , would say try nystatin unfortunately , yeast grows hyphae deep tissue nystatin permanent affect 'll find lot people nystatin time good thing nystatin 's \( relatively \) cheap taken orally , non toxic oral nystatin without systemic effect , unless given iv , would without effect sinuses wish quacks would first use iv nystatin b people like would solve yeast problem summary , appreciate attempts desire keep medicine right road methinks hold firmly party line academics n't trenches long enough actually treating patients anybody , doctors included , said face evidence 'yeast connection' , cannot guarantee safety incompetence , ripping lips justified far concerned perhaps little haldol would go long way towards symptoms paying treatment pocket \? 'd hate think insurance premiums going towards steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! dyer
cbnewsh cb att com \( kenneth r \) subject quicken 6 vs tobias' managing money organization distribution usa keywords quicken tobias lines 19 've never quicken use mym 's early days ms money windows financial planning package called reality technologies money magazine p also taxes turbo tax packages good way none really support really need manage finances first company comes along windows based package manages budgets accounts manages loans taxes uses knowledge investing philosophy help invest right investment vehicles , integrates together business life ken attmail com
ken sugra uucp \( kenneth ng \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization private computer , totowa , nj lines 15 article cunews superior carleton ca \( steven \) writes 1993apr13 news cs brandeis edu binah cc brandeis edu \( susan \( w \) \) writes think scientists biased towards food industry something article long \? would anyone interested posting \? told msg used 's right labs use kill neurons mice rats vitamin \( think vitamin \) strong enough amounts kill key words dosage exposure mechanism kenneth ng please reply ken blue njit edu might elaborate simulation running little device sitting someone 's table j l picard st tng
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 43 article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes surprised post makes past censors , goes monday , 19 april , 1993 13 30 edt murder foul ! ! murder ! atf murderers ! butchers ! ! genocidal mass slaughter innocent people , including children ! well , chalk one driving away sympathies looking like paranoid lunatic predicted start , god , sickens see happen hoped wrong hoped still shred america grew , loved , left alive wrong nazis repeat , time survivors ! last heard nine apparently point 've found bodies , except killed initial assault couple months ago cute koresh hit trail maybe bodily assumed heaven would n't make ag reno 's day \? david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
kirk gaul csd uwo ca \( andrew kirk \) subject goodbye , good riddance , get lost 'stars organization computer science dept , univ western ontario , london , canada nntp posting host obelix gaul csd uwo ca lines 34 article blue cis pitt edu gomer pitt edu \( richard j coyle \) writes article 1993apr19 julian uwo ca kirk gaul csd uwo ca \( andrew kirk \) writes first , anyone accepted western business school dork second , one person country 27 million n't think posts article , mean embarrasing canada network expressing feel thoughts someone n't agree , give right call assholes anyways , north stars shit ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! actually , think give people privilege calling folks like assholes although asshole might take offense grouped bunch losers like 've never heard western business school , anyhow probably place rick losers like us \? fucking moron never heard western business school , university western ontario matter n't pull head asshole smell something shit look map see uwo ! back hockey , north stars moved past years shit real team like toronto would never moved ! ! ! andrew andrew kirk university western ontario london , ontario go leafs go !
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject gun control organization totally unorganized lines 53 article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes article 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) wrote excellent exchange deleted seems whole reason second amendment , give people protection us government guaranteeing people government necessary , little bit anachronism day age maybe time think done amend constitution appropriately abraham lincoln , first inaugural address , march 4 , 1861 country , institutions , belongs people inhabit whenever shall grow weary existing government , exercise constitutional right , revolutionary right overthrow rep gerry massachusetts , spoken floor debate second amendment , annals congress 750 , 17 august 1789 , sir , use militia \? prevent establishment standing army , bane liberty whenever governments mean invade rights liberties people , always attempt destroy militia , order raise army upon ruins know category mr rutledge means destroy liberties rights find hard understand come people , apparantly connected government otherwise privileged , go great lengths , , interpretations , full bore attempt throw away protection rights constitution ! ! ! almost makes think lemmings running sea year really wonder jefferson madison would say folks \? government little great things , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson , 1821 excellent quote pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
pitargue cisco com \( marciano pitargue \) subject guns backcountry \? thanks organization cisco lines 58 distribution world nntp posting host cisco com originator pitargue cisco com article s9i usenet ins cwru edu , cleveland freenet edu \( john k \) writes worry much rape murder wilderness also carry guns time home \? , since 're hell lot danger backcountry carrying tool classify someone rambo pioneers came west rambo 's \? ! ! ! \) anybody reading group actual , honest god experience violent crime backcountry tell \? sort understand people want protect bears , although , , maybe dozen two bear attacks people north america year \? worry raped buck bubba irrational think 'd lot safer deliverance gathered burned would tune change one dozen two bear attacks \? believe , need firearm , need firearm public health experts tell far likely gun stolen , use family member used use actual criminal please cite references 'll let others \( please note followup \) cite valid references show untruth rambo warriors 've heard undoubtedly consider exempt statistical reality 're much smart responsible living city 's drive shooting every couple days , working medical center day n't go without shooting victim coming er , i'm bit skeptical value gun ownership go backcountry get away environment , n't want find people insist bringing urban environment along boom boxes , computers , guns well , might well go naked forget matches , backpack , sleeping bag rest 's modern convenience firearm tool people wo n't carry , people firearms category personal choice factoid shooting victims er count many come due automobile accidents automobile crimes maybe outlaw cars please post flaming responses rec guns rabid \( j , , ala marciano pitargue cisco com
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject please ignore ideal operating system \( death blow unix \) nntp posting host prawn sp ph organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england lines 1 whoops ! ! wrong group folks
jp vllyoak resun com \( jeff perry \) subject wife wants convertible organization private site san marcos , california lines 35 aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes previous article , dspalme mke ab com \( diane \) says nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes help ! ! ! wife informed wants convertible next car jp vllyoak resun com \( jeff perry \) writes fyi , last week pbs show motor week gave results thought best cars '93 convertible category , honda civic del sol achieved honor del sol must vouch interior really looks wh top looks lot better person television \( well needless say smiling bit time \) \) watch darned convertible tan tho simply must inquire , people honestly consider car convertible \? porsche patent targa name \? mean , convertible means top , del sol certainly center lifts would term targa \( unless porsches gonna sue \) know rear window rolls , still hardly consider car convertible yes , however , top rear window car like convertible coupe think convertible integrated roll bar like addition jp
fragante unixg ubc ca \( gv fragante \) subject winjet accelerator card organization university british columbia lines 5 nntp posting host unixg ubc ca anyone familiar video card \? chipset winjet use s3 \? market video card , best chipset among s3 , cirrus logic tseng lab \( ati question expensive \) \? thanks
maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) subject electricty x altnet id lines 30 1 \) trying figure way put halogen beam cb360t easy ways \( e slip bulb replacement \) \? 2 \) told guy bike shop damn near bright enough incandescent beam might caused low battery went picked cheapo motorcycle battery charging system tester hook battery , 's got 3 lights good charge start engine \( test charging system \) , n't even register 's supposed light 5 6 lights everything ok , stays point battery question , indeed charging system plain messed , heck battery staying fully charged \? 'd think would darned near dead supporting lights , etc '75 cb360t 's problem charging system \? generally slower charging normal bigger bikes \? easy fix \? 3 \) happy noise put 300 miles bike weekend , finally got endorsement really good , cage quit running worth damn wo n't money repair first \) says bright sunny week , 20 chance rain friday big grin , bugs teeth
ics uci edu \( \) subject motif interviews lines 12 hi , process making decision whether write c wrappers motif use motif interviews though downloaded tar files , fail see documentation two questions 1 \) used similar c sy toolkits experience \? 2 \) find reference books documentation \? input greatly appreciated
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject abyss breathing fluids article access organization express access online communications usa lines 19 nntp posting host access digex net article 498 cck coventry ac uk cck coventry ac uk \( \) writes believe reason lung diaphram gets tired pump liquid simply stops breathing 2 3 minutes vehicle ready go better put hold , else ! ! 's remember liquid several times dense gas nature 10 think , depending gas liquid comparision course ! could use sort mechanical chest compression aid sorta like portable iron lung \? put sort flex tubing around chest compress push enough chest wall support breathing \? \? \? \? \? 'd trust , space , trust suit anyway pat
johnson trwacs fp trw com \( steve johnson \) subject know keys ask \? \( clipper \) organization trw systems division , fairfax va lines 23 brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) writes course identify phone company , since phone company complies court orders , know magic number chip sign warrant , present warrant key escrow house makes forget destroy copies key 've decided 're criminal today \? curious brad templeton , clarinet communications corp sunnyvale , ca 408 296 0366 views expressed employer steven c johnson , trw johnson trwacs fp trw com fp1 3133 129 193 172 90 1 federal systems park drive phone 1 \( 703 \) 968 1000 fairfax , virginia u fax 1 \( 703 \) 803 views expressed employer steven c johnson , trw johnson trwacs fp trw com fp1 3133 129 193 172 90
christy cs concordia ca \( christy \) subject x386 server problems organization computer science , concordia university , montreal , quebec lines 32 hello , i'm trying get x11r5 running pc ran following error message trying start xserver setting tcp option supported protocol x386 version 1 2 x windows system \( protocol version 11 , revision 0 , vendor release 5000 \) fatal server error screens found giving xinit software connection abort \( errno 130 \) unable connect x xserver anyone know error means \? anyone experienced problem \? help much appreciated thanks advance please send replies christy alex qc ca christy
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject ctrl alt del locks computer windows reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca lines 9 nntp posting host monica us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle whenever exit windows , ca n't use control alt del reboot computer , system hangs still reboot using reset key , would like know happens eric ebosco us oracle com
pandora sdsu edu \( john \) subject car buying story , christ , another dealer service scam organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 40 distribution usa nntp posting host pandora sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 mark monninger \( markm bigfoot sps mot com \) wrote exactly service incident , similar experience recently bought new truck picked vehicle wanted little haggling agreed price wrote check payment plus tax license told 'd back evening pick truck returned , wait hour finance guy could get finally got , everything went smoothly started adding numbers discovered miscalculated tax license 150 said needed another 150 said already agreed price problem , n't giving money finance guy similar thing happend year ago bought used ford bronco \( since stolen \( \) weeks paid took delivery , sent letter telling goofed miscalculated license renewal 300 need send check avoid delay processing registration thing , already received pink slip dmv , ignored received another letter phone calls started coming first finance guy general manager , extra money left alone told already paperwork pointed clause contract stated final price final afterall , would n't budge told wanted another 300 deal signed , right \? told call would business future n't seem problem , , used ford toyota dealership much better experience buying new pathfinder month ago certainly pays buy car last sunday month even raining , done little business weekend really willing deal kept telling would think , kept dropping price got good deal far please service john pandora sdsu edu
adam east sun com \( richard sun bos systems product assurance \) subject goalie mask poll reply adam east sun com organization sun microsystems inc bdc lines 23 nntp posting host adam east sun com article hydra gatech edu , gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) writes update goalie mask poll first , since many people gave 3 best , decided give 3 pts favorite , 2 pts 2nd , 1 3rd e mailed response one , gave 3 pts please feel free send 2 favorites , sent one also , votes still welcome ! mask like , received votes players nhl please mention team play , though date results far vote goes andy moog 1st , belfour 2nd , vanbiesbrouck 3rd bruin 's hot right time ! ! ! ! ! rich east sun com
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 18 article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu \( vb30 \) writes wondering friend talking day , \( reason \) trying come names jewish baseball players , past present n't able come much , except sandy koufax , \( somebody \) stankowitz , maybe john lowenstein anyone come know sounds pretty lame racking brains , humor us thanks help oh forgot art , former red mets player batted 301 injuries 1969 \( fell short qualifying top 10 injuries platoon ron n't jewish \) scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center uicvm uic edu subject buying advice needed lines 18 looking advice buying anyone know inherent flaws bike may problems look \? insurance rates \( bike \) \? also , person never ridden motorcycle yet buying 1100 start crazy \? told people start small others enough handle 1100 right start \( 6'4 210 pounds \) others might tad bit small oh yeah , one question anybody chicago area know good instruction schools programs could get go buy one kill getting home thanks , brian p please email get much chance read group thanks \)
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject monophysites mike walker lines 45 mike walker using standard formula fully god fully human , i'm sure object saying jesus human think usual analysis would sin part basic definition humanity 's consequence fall jesus human , fallen human clh proper term mike expresses monophysitism heresy condemned council chalcedon 451 ad grew reaction nestorianism , held son jesus two different people happened united body temporarily monophysitism held copts egypt syria armenian orthodox believes jesus christ god \( correct \) , man \( correct \) , one person \( correct \) , one nature one energy \( heretical , orthodox position two natures two wills two energies , divine human , though wills perfect harmony \) mike trying get across , jesus came human form , mike says human nature human reality , , though neither made subject original sin interesting note reaction conflict attempted solve problem admitting two natures two wills two energies also condemned , late council constantinople believe andy byler issues get mighty subtle see people saying different things 's often hard tell whether really mean seriously different things , whether using different terminology n't think 's question problem nestorius , would agree saying christ human form without real human nature heretical 'd like bit wary copts , armenians , etc recent discussions suggest monophysite position may far orthodoxy many thought nestorius extreme representative one two major schools thought moderate representatives regarded orthodox , e g theodore impression modern monophysite groups inherit entire tradition , version , may sufficient balanced position regarded orthodox clh
panix com \( len \) subject bhagavad gita 2 32 organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 79 kalki writes topics discussed vedas fact , original knowledge topics comes vedas therefore , rather old standards popularity currently experiencing something new one would think vedas would popular among , since things mention thoroughly described n't interesting \? ! jewish tradition incredibly wrong ! originate torah jewish ancestors , specifically patriarch abraham \( z l \) knowledge sent east india china abraham gave gifts \( commentators jewish scripture say knowledge occult arts \) rest children sent away east assured isaac , remained abraham , would inherit important spiritual gifts , eventually became judaism see , religions parochial views jewish view , mistaken , scripture scripture , gods gods , practices errors lead people idol worship away god n't stop us respecting extent trying convert proselytize willing dialog respectful manner 're content let live way care live long leave us happy co exist long give us right incredible violent nature seems preclude bad typical religion \? however , one difference practitioner actual follower vedic teachings typical desires acquire material powers mentioned vedas , without referring source , lord wants kingdom god without god wants personal power without responsibility acknowledging source , without person power comes words , plain selfish fellow ! dare presume typical new n't acknowledge god selfish trite , self righteous , ego garbage ! buddhists , christians , jews , many religions newsgroups words simple slander vedic follower , hand , knows matter one desires , one must worship god vedas give complete description exactly god , mistake identification reason parts vedas deal directly personality godhead popular among , anyone presents complete vedas evangelist \( something wrong \) even though simply presenting vedic teachings course , jewish perspective incredibly wrong 'd say godhead created beings may enjoying good laugh expense thief takes others says mine takes god says mine false must careful avoid coming contact real owner things stolen consequently , invents explanation things conveniently omits identity owner , lord words , lies got selfish , also thieves liars ! expect us pay attention religion \? call us name \? maybe 'll convert ! however , lord merciful , sends servants remind identity spirit soul , eternal servant god hence , although unwanted , evangelist continues broadcast complete truth len panix com
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject objective morality \( political atheists \? \) organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 44 nntp posting host lloyd caltech edu livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes humans gone somewhat beyond , exactly \? one thread 're telling us natural morality animals survive , thread claiming omniscient definitely say right wrong omniscient use criterion \? long term survival human species , \? well , 's question , n't \? goals probably obvious set goals , like happiness liberty golden rule , etc goals n't inherent defined objective system possible omniscient map definitely able assign right wrong actions \? difficult , one goals mind , absolute everyone 's intent , etc letting omniscient give information part original premise well , original premises habit changing time , perhaps 'd like review us , tell us difference omniscient able assign right wrong actions , telling us result , omniscience fine , long information given away n't resolution free problem \? interactive omniscient changes situation type morality talking \? natural sense , immoral harm another species \( long n't adversely affect , guess \) i'm talking morality introduced , going implemented omniscient definitely assign right wrong actions tell us type morality well , speaking objective system general n't mention specific goal , would necessary determine morality action keith
leland stanford edu \( dave \) subject bob knepper damn right ! organization sequoia peripherals , inc lines 51 get sucked \? article 1993apr19 035406 news yale edu \( austin jacobs \) writes n't guys think \? mean , c'mon ! heck women even thinking getting baseball cause many problems assuming 're serious , guess 'd surprised hear us guys n't think would guess tiny fraction 1 folks reading post agree kind doubt even agree i'm going go points one time , , , many anything baseball i'm replying brought pam postema , aaa umpire sued \( suing \? \) baseball grounds sex discrimination n't promoted majors jeez ! look pam postema 's woman , everybody face earth thinks 's great 's getting opportunity ump even watched games iq greater roast beef , 'd see nearly good aaa umpires 've never seen ump game first hand experience ability umpire seen talk shows point seems call balls strikes well umpires knows rulebook better seems missing point 's sees role umpires game , well would n't promote either umpires primary role nothing calling baserunners safe hell , joe lundy could primary function maintain order game , keep game moving , keep players trying kill umpires extremely tough people us , men women ms postema thinks deserves major league umpire command rulebook , think well umpires need command game command rulebook secondary dave succeed world , leland stanford edu enough stupid , must also sequoia peripherals \( 415 \) 967 well mannered voltaire home \( 415 \) 321
slegge kean ucs mun ca subject trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie lines 20 organization memorial university st john 's nfld , canada tsn sportsdesk reported ottawa sun reported montreal send 4 players 15 million including vin damphousse brian bellows , phillie send eric lindros ottawa , ottawa give 's first round pick montreal true , likely depend whether ottawa gets choose 1st overall ottawa afford salary \? personally , ca n't see philli giving lindros anything n't give away much quebec trade away mention lindros seems huge draw phillie represents successful future franchise ottawa may better taking 4 players 15 montreal pick stephen legge slegge kean ucs munc ca
mdavcr mda ca \( phil gray \) subject opinions galaxy \? summary anybody negative experiences \? keywords gui builders , evaluation organization macdonald dettwiler associates lines 21 currently evaluating gui builders , initially motif wish flexible portable popular names \( uimx , teleuse , xvt etc \) impressed seen galaxy visix spoken current users list supplied visix \( happy users would expect \) , seen favourable comments net however , since fairly expensive get evaluation license visix , would like query net negative experiences galaxy anybody evaluate prefer another tool use galaxy regret find mis features \? , phil phil gray voice \( 604 \) 278 3411 macdonald dettwiler fax \( 604 \) 278 commerce parkway richmond , bc , canada v6v 2j3 mda ca ! uunet ! van bc ! mdavcr !
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject gun like lines 88 organization university tennessee division continuing education article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes turkey pro pistol automatic weapons fanatics n't seem realize rest us laugh n't make angry , make chuckle 's nice strive entertainment value \) remeber , washington seeing pick truck front car friend bumper sticker proclaiming gun control firm grip 45 i'm sure thought pretty cool n't realize took photo back truck , showed friends got back vancouver , canada \( i'm originally \) people basic stupidity sticker , even greater stupidity person put first place ! \) first place , realize feeling goes ways canadians laugh u , americans simply shrug hell let state first place \) knew somebody else went one gun mart places , could experience sight people putting guns ammo shopping carts ! n't believe drove one vegas last year ! ! ! interesting strategy , posting complaints people elsewhere live britain , see rest civilized world perceives gun nut morons courtesy apparently dead commodity rest civilized world gun nut morons , indeed bbc recently referred american pistols , automatic weapons , etc appropriately called national eccentricity 've got guns , 've got monarch economy collapse finger pointing across waste time problem canada , hear , suffering national eccentricity , easy purchase weapons smuggled cross border canada blaming u problems years simple fact matter ten years ago great system 'd gotten rid guns u would much better 'd get divine light shining north pointed cultural differences , pointed pre control crime rates also pointed history entire world contained smuggling , whenever something wanted , smuggled problem based u guns , would surfaced years canadian criminals want guns provided canada version drug problem yet drugs prohibited u hell , britain , cops n't even carry guns \( 's another funny thing see us border guard , 's got 45 38 belt , tons o' spare ammo never know , maybe canadian shopper might get hand hell , recall , people 's court , even rusty carried gun ! never know , plaintiff might go nuts \) \) saw news report britain armed crime rise , several police agencies considering permanent firearms officers deal according u news world report , british handgun deaths risen 250 past twelve years u number dropped 5 maybe 're smuggling across u u k border yeah , 's ticket ! nice day , steve learn little common courtesy politeness david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject ed must daemon child ! ! organization nec systems laboratory , inc distribution usa lines 33 article l9 netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes article 1993apr14 1499 research nj nec com behanna syl syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes article netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes discovered sr250 touring bike nifty little cache things like coins lipstick new duc 750ss n't , 'll go back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard \) denizen thinks natural look best look \? thought kissing waxy shit smeared woman 's lips definite turn clear lipstick etc fit natural look waxy shit category \? wear something lips keep drying kissing dry , cracked , lips n't fun either agreed , , yes , fits waxy shit category , although 've noticed stealing annette 's \( 's applied \) kept lips cracking past winter like previous winters sigh price must pay 'll ever kissing beth noemi \) tom anything say wo n't ! noemi speaks darling annette \( okay , guess ready barf bags \) later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
fpa1 trumpet cc msstate edu \( fletcher p adams \) subject abolish selective service nntp posting host trumpet cc msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 35 kmitchel netcom com \( kenneth c mitchell \) writes dave borden \( borden head cfa harvard edu \) wrote selective service registration abolished start , draft immoral whether agree , n't one , military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally , government us many lists many computers \( irs , social security admistration motor vehicle registries name \) find us needs maintaining yet another list people utter waste money time let 's axe whole department , reduce deficit little bit i'm really surprised clinton n't already tried seems want tackle irrelevant issues first , one well let say , retired navy officer agree cut let 's stop eliminate c 17 transport wrong need capability sure problems , airplanes n't , getting rid something need answer want , start rebuild new airplane \? 'll problems well calls , scrapped option try extend life c 5s c getting extremely old scrap seawolf ssn 21 nuclear submarine ground b 2 stealth bomber 'll cost jobs , i'm especially n't need b 2 ssn 21 , know
scraps uucp \( frank holden ka3uww \) subject 's good ic rs232 ttl signals \? \? organization none lines 34 news cso uiuc edu rky57514 uxa cso uiuc edu \( tall cool one \) writes i'm looking ic convert rs232 voltage levels ttl voltage levels something relatively inexpensive would nice , anyone suggestion \? \? thanks well looks digi key sells chip number want selling 3 50 hope helps frank customer asked 's thing \? answered chuckling well , 's highly technical , sensitive instrument use computer repair ! layman , probably n't grasp exactly call b f h frank w holden ka3uww radio doctor snailmail inter net 685 addison st scraps pittsburgh sgi com washington , pa packet ka3uww pa usa na disclaimer disclaimer h confess , ! ! ! customer asked 's thing \? answered chuckling well , 's highly technical , sensitive
anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) subject remember names come election time keywords usa federal , government , international , non usa government nntp posting host gs135 sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 15 said article c5u4qi mz4 apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes besides , 's case made us military involvement n't apply equally well , say , liberia , angola , \( appears khmer rouge 's new campaign \) cambodia non whites n't count \? hmm might say kuwaitis non white ooops , forgot , kuwaitis oil rich , loaded petro dollars , etc n't count let 's forget somalia , far white gets 's two row , care try \?
kk unisql uucp \( kerry \) subject gui study users want build solutions \? organization internet lines 30 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu visual com ! dbl cs utexas edu cc expo lcs mit edu ! xpert cs utexas edu let point gui based word processors text based language one happens mouse action based , symbol based true , 's beside point fact abstract model gui users , actually abstract model apparent programmer system \( nb users may see , , put aside work hand start thinking like programmer \) i'm saying programmer 's perspective evil , 's , ! saying ui designers must carefully distinguish user programmer conceptual models , must ultimately serve user system , builder system n't recall actual stats , something like 1 5 people categorized symbol manipulator would interesting know meaning basis claim rate , n't think evidence 20 users think like programmers , financial analysts , structural engineers people whose work could characterize primarily symbol manipulation programming , programming required previous point yes , users want build solutions , want programming accomplish
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines 15 well i'm sure story nad seem biased disagree statement u media ruin israels reputation rediculous u media pro israeli media world lived europe realize incidences one described letter occured u media whole seem try ignore u subsidizing israels existance europeans \( least degree \) think might reason report clearly atrocities shame austria , daily reports inhuman acts commited israeli soldiers blessing received government makes holocaust guilt go away , look jews treating races got power unfortunate
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject christians church members organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 69 article gchin ssf eng sun com writes years , met christians associated local church members local church issue may personal , important bible say encourage friends regard issue \? brings interesting subject discussed much , probably studied much may aware , 've posted lot articles lately personality typing \( test vehicle \) come speed , read psychology ask personality type summary file one observation people significantly different personalities \( question \) seem essentially born respect church attendance participation , people thrive , people real difficulty prefer solitary lifestyle , de confronted excessive outside activities lots people course measured impression many churches totally blind fact , create environments many naturally \( many characters bible , btw \) know , quite preference , find many churches participate , meet together large groups , etc , uncomfortable knowing know , churches overly influenced highly people thrive sort thing \( btw , 's nothing wrong either , preferences place body \) maybe define carefully since words usually used correctly culture scale measure person following excerpted summary 1 person \( e \) preference drawing energy outside world people , activities things \( \) preference drawing energy one 's internal world ideas , emotions , impressions hopefully elicit discussion churches structure meet real needs people comprise body christ , instead trying change people 's personalities fit particular framework i'm sure aspects churches properly understood personality among members detriment jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
cae wisc edu \( terry \) subject help windows drum machine ! organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 21 hello , i'm trying get drum program work downloaded ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 sounds directory 's called drum zip ati stereo fx card latest windows drivers installed try run drum program , reports midi device installed , however drivers utility control panel reports installed anyone idea set midi device drum program work setup \? i'm trying use computer someone suggested try one drum machines circulating around help would appreciated thanks , terry cae wisc edu
khiet ecn purdue edu \( peter thanh khiet vu \) subject wanted keywords wanted organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 4 looking good used window air small one call 495 \( peter \) 'll talk email khiet cn ecn
joec hilbert cyprs rain com \( joe cipale \) subject red sox lead 8 0 2 ! ! ! ! ! ! organization cypress semi , beaverton lines 46 article ulowell ulowell edu stwombly cs ulowell edu \( steve twombly \) writes boston red sox lead kc royals 8 0 2 innings sox team al east 4 days go jump lake non believers ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! steve read net last days , continually amazed pronouncements baseball prowess many individuals especially comes saying bosox n't prayer long time red sox fan , simply say impossible dream year 1967 short memories short lives , red sox fan continually subject abuse criticism follow 'the hot statement supported based increased number net true fan team , team , follow team good years well lean years , rewarded time right yeah , let roller go legs `86 cares clemens told cooley go piss rope promptly earned quick shower fact , one best teams league years fans supported appears lean times , number come ! let play see happens come september red sox may good , certainly bad , either chance win world series , , remember mets \? would given chance even make far , let alone beat baltimore let 's face , baseball wonderful game far unpredictable football basketball , one never say absolute outcome course 162 games joec cyprs rain com warning elvis hazardous joec ursula ee pdx edu health sure wo n't help reputation bike , therefore ! go red sox ! go celtics ! go ! go !
craig cellar org \( saint craig \) subject changing sprocket ratios \( 79 honda cb750 \) organization cellar bbs public access system lines 24 cbrooks ms uky edu \( clayton brooks \) writes honda gurus know replace front sprocket 1979 honda slightly larger one \? \( see preferable reducing size rear one \) wanting ride relaxed rpm done , contact cycle supply , ought sprocket need want cheap , well much cheaper average dealership hey even sprockets hard find craig pilot craig cellar org institute dod \( 215 \) 356 \( keeper keepers \) 3 12 24 9600 promised land faith shall wear hats great majesty , yea , though made cardboard arrows \( red dwarf \)
higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) subject solar sail data organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines 56 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov article 1993apr15 29848 news duc auburn edu , snydefj eng auburn edu \( frank j snyder \) writes looking information concerning projects involving solar sails groups currently involved project \? sure contact world space foundation 're listed sci space frequently asked questions file , 'll excerpt world space foundation designing building solar sail spacecraft longer similar group many jpl employees lend talents project also provides partial funding palomar sky survey , extremely successful search near earth asteroids publishes foundation news foundation astronautics notebook , quarterly 4 8 page newsletter contributing associate , minimum 15 year \( money always welcome support projects \) world space foundation post office box south pasadena , california put together little paperback anthology fiction solar sails project solar sail think robert , david , arthur clarke may listed editor also nontechnical book solar sailing louis friedman , technical one guy whose name escapes \( help , josh \) , would expect greg matloff eugene something say subject handbook , well quite references check following articles journal british interplanetary society p 201 209 \( 1983 \) p 483 489 \( 1983 \) p 135 141 \( 1984 \) p 491 494 \( 1984 \) p 113 119 \( 1984 \) p 133 136 \( 1984 \) \( guess matloff visited fermilab gave bunch reprints \? found file \) k eric 's paper high performance solar sails related reflecting devices , aiaa paper 79 , probably book called space manufacturing , maybe proceedings second \( \? \) conference space manufacturing 1979 one , rate submarines , flying boats , robots , talking bill higgins pictures , radio , television , bouncing radar fermilab vibrations moon , rocket ships , higgins fnal bitnet atom splitting time nobody higgins fnal fnal gov yet able figure music span 43011 higgins holder marching player meredith willson , 1948
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject christians fight \? justifiable war organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 35 article gideon otago ac nz \( gideon king \) writes posted couple weeks ago , n't seem appeared newsgroup , n't reply moderator intermittent problems mail time please excuse seen christians fight \? last week alastair posted questions fighting , whether things justifiable wars started looking things findings go n't answered questions yet , know slightly different tack , possibly 'll able get deeply later , post info soon may suggest book ethics dr norm , dallas theological seminary , goes arguments pro con , comes reasonable answer time , enough interest , may post position jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) subject rejoinder questions israelis reply aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) organization national capital freenet lines 71 previous article , cpr igc apc org \( center policy research \) says 6 answer question concerning rights return conflicts told , namely hundreds thousands non jews left reason area israel control war 1947 8 , prevented returning sole reason jews jews also left , example europe , avoid clashes , allowed return justify discrimination , true \? mere fact person leaving area combat seek refuge somewhere else reason stripping right live homeland \? conveniently fact arab governments told arab citizens israel leave israel , join arab armies felt like assured victory occured , arabs could return former homes , reclaim well anything else wanted belonged jews arabs lost , israel left bunch people tried kill wanted back country citizens would done \? let could kill jews \? israel sees arabs stayed citizens loyal israel war n't leave course arabs could left avoid fighting distinguishing two impossible therefore decision made based country 8 maintain israeli arabs living israeli kibbutzim wonder many little evidence available much know , many arabs working kibbutzim , even many years , accepted members could kibbutzim want arabs \? kibbutz ever visited employees unless hire people restaurants , hotels etc n't enough people kibbutz cases , paid properly kibbutz turns away arab , 9i never seen heard \) reflects membership kibbutz , whole kibbutz movement keep certain religious communities u would asked , would gladly abolish civil marriage people would depend upon rabbis priests marriages israel always ruled secular majority answer satisfactory shows ignorant israeli politics although major parties israel n't religious \( however totally secular \) , due format government \( coalition \) religious parties always lot pull since needed form majority coalition fact , heard present government least influenced religious parties existance israel israel cannot called secular state , haifa city country \( except maybe arab cities \) buses run jewish sabbath many examples religion israel marriages israel state , rabbis priests obviously disbelief fact sheds light ignorance country claim know much steve internet aa229 freenet carleton ca fidonet 1 163 109 18 mossad qube ocunix ca opinions associated anything , including head
kmembry viamar uucp \( kirk membry \) subject ms windows access blind \? reply rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry organization private system lines 18 1993apr22 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes micro oft display , computers running windows , win apps blind , think n't pay much attention , seems particular program designed blind people important trying interface windows way blind people use someone made voice recognition multimedia \( sound \) oriented program , would probably effective n't know original purpose interfacing windows person posted question though kirk membry age age industry rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry alexander rodchenko
mahan tgv com \( patrick l mahan \) subject xdm decnet \? organization internet lines 31 xpert expo lcs mit edu , mcl bdm com xdm work decnet \? ultrix machine running tcp ip decnet number x terminals hanging ultrix host also running tcp ip decnet presently using xdm login procedure x terminals using tcp ip since xdm basically x windows client , n't able run xdm decnet protocol tower well \? xdm x window client xdm protocol \( xdmcp \) operates port 177 provide login window x window client using decnet protocol looking source xdm x11r5 , seems bare bones code completely first inclination xdm typical x client making tcp ip specific socket calls case answer would run xdm decnet right \? feedback appreciated thanks look source , seems cannot run decnet shipped x11r5 patrick l mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv com waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime first offense , notebooks lazarus long
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject jeep wrangler organization sun microsystems lines 35 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com article vu vlsi ee vill edu , mobasser vu vlsi ee vill edu \( bijan mobasseri \) writes square respectable resale value \? easy 's expensive buy new , 's gonna expensive buy used patently false statement try logic alfa 164 fact , marketplace mechanism adjust value cars overpriced manufacturer expensive buy new necessarily buy used fact , could real cheap buy used , depending car course note question statements reliability wrangler never owned one , driven one one \( love one though ! \) n't understand apparent neglect quality many years filtered used market jeep , make purchase fatal attraction \? bijan yep popular vehicles n't see lot previous model year ones sitting dealer 's lots time new ones things sell , popular popular , high priced new , high price used , simple knew overpriced bought knew terrible reliability record bought n't expect anything like got , especially dealer network unable repair personal experience quickly cured machine dave
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject revelations babylon \? organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 38 rex \( rexlex fnal fnal gov \) writes also interest note , occasion jubilee , pope leo 12th cast image one side side , church rome symbolized woman , holding left hand cross , right cup legend around , super , 'the whole world seat read medal worth woman church catholics always called church holy mother church mother example would st carthage , wrote 251 ad , anyone god father , church mother \? hence image church woman , holding cross cup , tell lord , power blood \( grail legend , also , significantly , shows cup new covenant blood , shall shed many \( luke 22 20 \) , cup represents new covenant holds blood redemption \) fact woman holding said whole world seat , catholic church catholic , universal , found throughout world , church shows applies blood redemption mankind spread , holy sacrafice mass , said celebrated nations malachi predicted malachi 1 11 , rising sun setting , name great among gentiles , everywhere sacrafice , offered name clean , name great among gentiles , says lord hosts acknowledge st paul wrote often eat bread drink cup , show lord 's death comes \( 1 corinthians 11 26 \) quite right identification babylon great , mother rome think simply disagree time period rome apostle john talking andy byler
balboa eng uci edu \( anthony lai \) subject sale 3 software packages , antivirus , nntp posting host balboa eng uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 28 hello , three software packages sale 1 norton version 4 5 dos software include host remote software control dos windows 3 1 \( standard enhanced modes \) activities registration card enclosed price 40 00 2 norton antivirus windows dos version 2 1 update virus information time also support networks registration card enclosed price 40 00 3 professional windows 3 1 best graphics presentation program ever seen registration card enclosed reg price 495 00 price 150 00 thank attention anthony lai
ucsb edu \( gene \) subject diamond speedstar hicolor card organization university california , santa barbara lines 15 486dx33 isa system 4 meg using diamond speedstar hicolor video card 1 meg vram standard ctx 14 svga monitor running windows , overlapping windows \( say application overlapping program manager window \) , close active application , window erasure slow part window overlapping erased first , slowly also happens application hicolor card advertised faster standard video card , accelerator chip running slow speed simply expected without accelerator chip , something else system unaware \? thanks \( mail directly wish , cs ucsb edu \)
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject phone number wycliffe translators uk lines 37 i'm concerned recent posting wbt sil thought 'd pretty much denounced right wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference , including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced 1979 covert political ideological institution used u govt instrument control , regulation , penetration , espionage repression concern group may seen acceptable even praiseworthy readers soc religion christian 's important christians n't immediately accept every christian organization automatically reproach mp good heavens , mean good friend wes collins , took wife two small children jungles , despite dangers primitive conditions armed guerillas , indigenous people groups could bible native languages young man led bible studies church , daily demonstrated declared deep abiding faith lord love mean really sneaky spy whose real reason going exploit oppress ignorant unsuspecting masses \? imagine surprise ! never would thought terrible deceit discovered \? exactly cultural interference caught committing \? attempting persuade locals gods false gods , sacrifices \( including human sacrifices cases \) vain \? destroying traditional lifestyles introducing steel tools , medical vaccines , durable clothes \? oh way , \? terribly shocked hear friend wes , seemed nice , really deceitful tool devil please provide specific documentation charge risk may believe otherwise mark
ulan ee ualberta ca \( dale ulan \) subject part nntp posting host ee ualberta ca reply ulan ee ualberta ca \( dale ulan \) organization university alberta electrical engineering distribution na lines 8 know , i'm trying figure specifically , sec stand \? dale ulan ulan ee ualberta ca
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject list tee times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization georgia institute technology lines 14 article 1993apr20 julian uwo ca lee139 gaul csd uwo ca \( steve lee \) writes woops ! rec sport hockey ! rec sport golf ! hope check newsgroup header next time posting ! duh ! making joke long leafs would last playoffs \( y'know , hit courses season \) sheesh people quick complain go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) subject hell 2 black sabbath organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines 12 apr 22 00 57 03 1993 geneva rutgers edu jprzybyl skidmore edu writes may wrong , n't jeff fenholt part black sabbath \? 's major brother christ totally changed life around , different \? ozzy , ex singer main character black sabbath good ole days past , always devout catholic 've heard alt rock n roll metal newsgroups , an' figure folks oughta know disclaimer \? 's great young insane !
cdm pmafire inel gov \( dale cook \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization winco lines 25 article 1993apr15 193603 14228 magnus acs ohio state edu rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) writes article stevethc5jgcr 1ht netcom com steveth netcom com \( steve thomas \) wri tes try justify war drugs , dare ! friend mine smoke pot every day last tuesday took 5 hits acid still trouble aiming bowl takes dump n't , seen results boy , really wish cut drug war people screwed head i'm sorry friend really anecdote nothing justify war drugs anything , demonstrates war miserable failure demonstrates people take drugs want , legal perhaps friend taking legal , regulated drugs doctors supervision might position 's dale cook town churches bars serious social problem edward abbey opinions mine \( e , employer 's \)
cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) subject eric bosco \? ! nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster ca organization department computer science , mcmaster university distribution usa lines 4 eric , send email address , lost ! 've ! kevin
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject hamza organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 18 hamza answers one articles indeed israeli soldiers killed hamas mujahid anti tank missile i'm almost sure terrorist zionists would able cut body probably desintegrated missile hamza maybe missile n't hit directly body hamza gets desintegrated course , destroying 10 houses hamza kill someone surgical operation , \? well done hamza edited answer anas omran , took everything context replied way wanted really understand peace process making progress guys ai n't listening , babbling away old rhetoric tsiel
ecs umass edu subject ultimate awd vehicles lines 24 article engr washington edu , eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes article uwm edu qazi csd4 csd uwm edu writes subarus n't sell well , although percentage purchased awd probably relatively high 56 subarus sold 4wd awd audi backing number models offers awd , one could purchase 80 90 awd , reserved strictly top line model goes 100 200 80 eliminated us lineup , 90 still available quattro version , though hardly cheap still true pledge making 4wd option entire line cars , bring s4 wagon eliot s4 became s4 called 200 turbo quattro model come wagon , quick wagon rare also mike sylvester umass
csugrad cs vt edu \( michael finch \) subject clipper algorithm secret organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 17 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu johnl iecc cambridge us \( john r levine \) writes cryptographic protocol , though , another matter see valid reasons keeping secret , hope 've shown occurred algorithm secret published , one could build physically identical clone versions recall seeing post time ago saying details encryption scheme could n't revealed , encryption scheme worthless believe statement response somebody saying new scheme , algorithm secret algorithm depend fact scheme secret stated reasons \? mike
steve com subject motif server ascii terminals organization corporation signal technology lines 2 nntp posting host louie anyone know x server character cell terminals \? n't anything fancy , long works
cit cornell edu \( bob \) subject cica mirror \? organization cornell info tech lines 2 try wuarchive wustl edu mirrors win3 directory
ucbeh san uc edu subject windows nt , help ! please help ! distribution world organization univ cincinnati academic services lines 26 windows nt need information new windows nt anything would appreciated know nothing \( well , except exists \) questions memory requirements , hard drive space , release date \? \? ibm reacting \? intel \? replace lan os 's \? anything else like specs , speed , etc thanks advance ! luke email internet address ucbeh san uc edu bitnet address ucbeh
ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization macquarie university , sydney australia lines 46 nntp posting host laurel ocs mq edu au article senator bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) writes chip algorithm classified reverse engineer tell people , likely go jail n't find credible argument , two reasons one supplied unless care entering usa time future \( eg taiwanese backyard btw known custom silicon reproduce pirating high profit arcade machines like would n't care less \) , going care much us confidentiality , \? people like real , care travelling various countries business reasons , sit follow laws like , would contend 're main threat also grave doubts whether algorythm widely distributed silicon could possibly called classified 's like handing military secrets whole world envelopes marked n't open imagine several credible could employed came trial one would stupidity government 's actions perhaps foreign governments corporations could help us cracking system outside usa us government could probably stop importation clone hardware , software implementation practical amusing thought could employed algorythm fast software implementation , easy custom hardware \? des , extensive use permutation tables \( trivial hardware swap bus lines \) , relatively slow software big effect speed difference hardware software implementations cipher \( indeed , suspect lucifer 's designers well aware would , approved \) certain algorythms \( usually parallel search algorythms \) slow software , yet fly custom hardware proof employment clipper pure conjecture however , software implementation cipher something designers would trying avoid costs , inclusion techniques seems credible hmmm also wonder intergraph thinks use name clipper device \) ian farquhar phone 61 2 805 9400 office computing services fax 61 2 805 macquarie university nsw 2109 also 61 2 805 australia email ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au
thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) subject young catchers reply thf2 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 20 article news2 cis umn edu kirsch staff tc umn edu \( dave 'almost cursed jays' kirsch \) writes brings interesting point anyone else catch espn 's piece prospects relationship age , career length , mvps hall fame members \? part preseason special wow espn repeat eleven year old bill james research \( literally check 1982 abstract \) impressive thing 've seen espn recent memory perhaps 'll reliable average sdcn guess ray knight makes rebuttal tonight oops , maybe ted frank however teel mentioned though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu advice legally sound , follow u c law school probably wind jail standard disclaimers james donald , misc legal
amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) subject tapped , code good organization department mathematical sciences lines 58 distribution na nntp posting host moink nmsu edu al escom com \( al donaldson \) writes amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes yes , evil guys fbi probably , effort , abuse system got news , evil guys fbi decide want persecute , 're gonna , richard nixon kind toy , would n't send people watergate appears generic calling upon name anti christ hell , let 's destroy remark let us imagine executive branch actually could extract keys escrow houses without anyone knowing , telling \? dick 80 bits data hell 's gonna \? 1 \) trot around telco say 'we 'd like decrypting uh huh 2 \) break watergate install tap \( people still break , neat , huh \? \) record noise , get executive branch phone decryption box \( huh \? 've got one \? goodness , wait 'til washington post gets hold \) decrypt noise 3 \) likely , stare key , say 'oh , hell 's worth bloody truth , even granted lots covert power part executive branch , system difficult tap pots gear fact easier tap hypothetical system neither going place phones neither rational concerns seeing raised \) key really chopped half , xor arrangement \? , egregious technical error built plan \? b \) first step toward strict regulation strong encryption \? 's really issue real issue whether used justify ban individuals' use private \( e , anything else \) encryption methods b \) , course suspect government actually wanted make regs , 'd hundred people usenet yelling would n't even slow machine besides , mysterious 's going take away rights instant let guard \? congress \? gang ca n't even balance fbi \? n't make laws nsa \? ditto white house \? bill clinton probably still looking bathroom 's big place , andrew al
mhollowa ic sunysb edu \( michael holloway \) subject wanted rat cell line \( adrenal gland cortical c \) organization state university new york stony brook lines 14 nntp posting host engws5 ic sunysb edu keywords adrenal gland cortical cell cell line rat article roos 49 helsinki fi roos helsinki fi \( christophe roos \) writes looking rat cell line adrenal gland cortical cell type looking without success would much appreciate help shot response last night 've tried cancel minutes later driving home remembered message specifically say cortical first reaction suggest line may still good compromise , depending 're using mouse cell line one antigen transgenic lines \? another alternative might primary cells adrenal cortex mike
ross ucsb edu \( richard ross \) subject powerbook math coprocessor \? keywords powerbook , math coprocessor , pb160 lines 9 really want buy powerbook would like one run mathematica need coprocessor afford \( \? \) possible put pb160 \? guy bookstore says n't think much clue please respond e mail ross physics ucsb edu thanks advance , richard
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israeli terrorism organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 46 article 1rd7eo 1a4 usenet ins cwru edu cy779 cleveland freenet edu \( anas omran \) writes previous article , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) says article 1993apr24 203620 6531 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes since one also unlikely get truth either arab palestinian news outlets , go understand , learn \? one form propoganda reliable another \? many neutral human rights organizations always report situation neutral organization would report situation israel , elderly children victims hamas activists neutral organization might also report israeli arabs full civil rights israelis used arrest sometimes kill neutral reporters care name names , yet another unsubstantiated slander \? , another kind terrorism committed jews palestine allow fair neutral coverage situation palestine terrorism , would know spine allowed stand , random attacks civilians includes things shooting cripple side boat happens jewish allowing people go likely stabbed killed , like certain lawyer killed last week , adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
dgp toronto edu \( michael \) subject apr 20 toronto siggraph event organization university toronto dynamic graphics project distribution na lines 48 toronto siggraph 's 2d graphics animation indigo ken evans , , inc tuesday 20 april 1993 7 00pm 9 00pm mcluhan centre culture technology university toronto queen 's park crescent toronto members non members alike \( non members encouraged become members \) abstract , inc entering early beta site testing silicon graphics workstations new 2d abstract artwork animation package called chance 's art package described demonstrated , technical issues discussed marketing plans outlined talk also present technical business problems increasingly confronting small startup software companies today , opportunities situation presents time event allocated hands demonstrations interested parties silicon graphics graciously providing indigo event also demonstrating computerized interactive reflective , installed upstairs mcluhan centre , feel free drop demonstration event btw , sure sing happy birthday , names siggraph executive offices announced meeting nominations still open election may 18th event call 465 fax 465 0729 directions mcluhan east side queen 's park crescent , north wellesley , south st joseph st , behind \( east \) 39 queen 's park crescent , centre studies information toronto siggraph membership , contact michael via internet dgp utoronto ca voice 652 978 978 fax 653
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject abc coverage nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall distribution usa lines 24 ccohen pitt edu \( caleb n cohen \) writes boy everyone ripping espn 's hockey coverage \( 's thrilled lange steigy \? \) unaware espn bought air time abc production , advertising sales , , etc even reaped made , caleb , 's quality espn problem superb , whereas evolve beyond point espn left hockey went sc \( excepting sc 's use feeds cbc \( \) 's amount hockey 're showing , lack , 're complaining rights two ot 's could 've shown sunday night baseball pickup trucks racing oversized followed super 8 home movies old car races \( yes , checking desperation canucks jets \) last night sportscenter gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
km ky3b pgh pa us \( ken mitchum \) subject crash program basic research \? organization ky3b vax pittsburgh , pa lines 26 article wuvmd wustl edu , wuvmd \( gary \) writes contemplating idea time well doctor , wife nurse know lot doctors nurses point doctors nurses seem get sick nearly much people outside medical profession lovely area anecdotes , sure something physician , almost never get sick usually , something horrendous going around , either n't get get mild case get really sick , always something unusual situation medical school , particularly pediatrics never younger siblings , went pediatric wards suddenly found confronting sorts infectious challenges body ready pediatrics three solid months illness , temp 104 took final exam ! think happens training , beyond , constantly exposed new things , usual reactions , later , challenged something , likely exposure us , deal well get mild illness n't think immune system hyped way also , n't forget hospital flora different home , carry lot around km
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject political atheists \? organization sgi lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article rusnews w165w mantis co uk , mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes , meaning people drive , accept risks , contribute tax money design systems minimize risks eh \? already systems minimize risks 's car drivers n't want use 're called bicycles , trains buses poor matthew million posters call car drivers chooses , non car owner jon
kudla acm rpi edu \( robert kudla \) subject diamond ss24x , win 3 1 , mouse cursor nntp posting host hermes acm rpi edu lines 16 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov \( b lindbergh \) writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running diamond 1024x768x256 driver \? sorry , n't know version driver \( indication menus \) 's recently delivered gateway system going try latest drivers diamond bbs wondered anyone else seen , yes seems flicker , change shape snow briefly enough impair functionality , call attention diamond 's professional sloppiness rob rob kudla acm rpi edu keywords jane 's leather yes win3 1 light blue right bondage r e dtp dan owl genesis spaceship , silver spaceship , lion takes control
dannyb panix com \( daniel burstein \) subject nuclear site 's cooling towers \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 27 lots pretty good stuff huge towers near nuclear power plants cool used steam back near ambient temperature water deleted water recall water n't hot \( \) many fossil fuel plants , course less danger radioactive contamination actually , fossil fuel plants run hotter usual boiling water reactor nuclear plants \( 's gripe industry nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology \) 's important nuclear plants get cold end system cold possible hence big cooling towers point info , early nuclear power plants country used fission pile first stage get water hot , second stage fossil fuel step get water \( actually steam \) hot remember seeing con edison 's indian point 1 power plant , 30 miles north nyc , built less 1958 dannyb panix com \( usual disclaimers apply , whatever may \)
radley gibbs oit unc edu \( keith radley \) subject electronics summary vcr amp nntp posting host gibbs oit unc edu organization university north carolina chapel hill distribution usa lines 18 curtis mathes vhs vcr remote included works universal remotes 2 heads , works great replaced stereo vcr paid 300 years ago , sell 125 delivered obo radio shack stereo amp 2 inputs , tone , left right volume speakers included compact unit 20 plus shipping great amiga stereo output soundblaster output interested either mail , keith , radley gibbs oit unc edu call 919 968 sold deals fell thru still interested either email call major computer science eith radley minor english radley gibbs oit unc edu computer amiga 3000 university north carolina
jchen wind bellcore com \( jason chen \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? nntp posting host wind bellcore com reply jchen ctt bellcore com organization bell communications research lines 61 article hp col col hp com , cab col hp com \( chris best \) writes jason chen writes new one vomiting guess msg becomes number one suspect problem case might food poisoning heard things msg , may think must yeah , might , read part quoted somehow left part ate thing changes things bit , eh \? food poisoning one many possible causes yes , even people share food complain people blame msg automatically , since 's unknown therefore must cause equally \( \) unreasonable defend , automatically assuming can't culprit boy , computer people know 1s 0s , much logic \) said msg culprit argued enough reasonable doubt convict msg want convict msg , show evidence , quilty suspicion pepper makes sneeze n't affect way , fine n't tell i'm wrong saying nobody forcing change believe certainly n't want see somebody preach ban pepper makes sneeze exactly anti msg people n't condemning chinese food , mr chen one \( optional \) ingredients try take personally look , people last chen n't necessarily chinese restaurant interested enjoy chinese food exploiting last name discredit issue hitting belt interested truth let give recent fda hearing ``there evidence orally consumed glutamate effect brain , '' said dr richard massachusetts institute technology anecdotal experiences individuals , science , '' said ``i n't think glutamate made sick '' dr robert kenney george washington university conducted double blind test 1980 showing 35 people reacted msg also similar reaction thought msg actually although many contradicting personal stories told group , might due causes anti msg emotion runs high , blame anything everything purpose present balance view issue , although probably 20 1 jason chen
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject new study gay percentage organization university virginia lines 10 article philc5n6d5 mk3 netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes tells something fascist politics practiced ah , ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
djb silverton berkeley edu \( j bernstein \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine organization ir lines 12 article 1993apr21 132318 16981 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes key size one things verified externally gee say feed 80 bit key snefru 8 take first 60 bits result , use 60 bits real key figure key one 2 20 keys \? try birthday attack , key changed second need several lifetimes get reliable statistics somehow n't think could catch nsa sort dan
gte com \( mark \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? eagle lerc nasa gov agate berkeley edu reply gte com organization gte laboratories inc lines 17 reply spp zabriskie berkeley edu 's message 14 apr 93 21 03 56 gmt article agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) writes 's worse thing double blind study effects msg , virtue fact msg changes taste food characteristic way detectable subject cannot duplicated placebo common ! easily disguise flavor msg putting capsule , study becomes double blind msg capsules control capsules \( containing exactly contents minus msg \) mark , gte laboratories inc , 40 sylvan rd waltham , gte com , \( 617 \) 466 , fax \( 617 \) 890
juno jpl nasa gov \( kent \) subject need advice select sound card \? keywords sound card nntp posting host juno jpl nasa gov organization jpl lines 32 hi , need advice netland selecting sound card buy sound card kid n't know one buy one select following list sound blaster 16 sound card audio spectrum sound blaster pro sound blaster allocated budget around 250 could know sound cards help select appropriate one kid \? 486 33 mz opti mb also nec cdrom would like connect sound card thank kent juno jpl nasa gov
wcd82671 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel warren c \) subject hard copy hot pursuit ! ! ! ! summary shit ! ! ! ! ! ! ! keywords running police article news 2t4 distribution rec motorcycles organization university illinois urbana lines 44 yo , anybody see run hard copy \? guy 600 katana got pulled police \( guess speeding something \) cop step car , dude punches interstate georgia , cop gives chase interesting episode videotaped ! ! ! everything dramatic takeoff chase battle happened end \? guy \( relentless chased box cage lights \) slows couple times taunt cop blowing stop signs making car jump side , goes dead end street kat , although latest machine , still high performance machine brakes , know cages , especially ones lights , ca n't stop fast high performance machines happens \? cage kat luckily dude , wearing helmet hurt dude , crazy get ! \? ! yeah , 've went played cat mouse friends , cop ! ! \? \? \? ! ! ! crazy get ! \? ! \? ! took one look zx 7 tried crap convince try shit like \( although dude collided car head 140 mph , kawasaki team colors still looked good ! ! ! scratches , like front end 3 inch long engine minor scratches \) guys , please , slow advocate cages \( especially ones make annoying ass noises \) , think next time punched \( whether mighty zx 11 250 ninja \) , remember , kid could step time peace ride \( kinda \) safe warren suzuki , travel wcd82671 uxa cso uiuc edu 's big deal riding one i'm going 95 ! \? ! \? ! annie \( \)
wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) subject 's rush \( fast \) distribution usa organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 12 article mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) writes guess n't clear enough said roads designed speeds 80 still safe current 55 65 add saftey margin designed speeds upwards 80 forget exact spec military vehicles 's 80 1958 dodge powerwagon 80 1993 ford taurus
klein pavo concordia ca \( corelmark ! \) subject best homeruns news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host concordia ca organization concordia university lines 18 n't following previous hr 's two , saw live would \( \? ! \) 1 \) rick monday 's hr bury expos nl championship 1981 hit steve rogers , primarily starter used reliever reardon warming bullpen considering monday could n't touch lhp , lee would safe bet n't even drugs time \( told around 50 others recent venture montreal blast n't important aspect timing seventh game , tie game , top 9th expos almost came back though 2 \) mike schmidt hit one killed expos 1980 close , yet , far 3 \) strawberry killed pitch second day season couple years ago went technical ring big almost left stadium ! hit hard ! ! ! corelmark !
sven guckes guckes math fu berlin de subject apple going ship cd300i 's \? originator guckes x mail reader elm 2 4 organization free university berlin , germany x news reader nn 6 4 13 13 lines 18 sunnyt coding bchs uh edu writes cd300 \( external \) already shipping shipping quite awhile demand units high , pretty rare hm , 've got cd drive since 've also heard rumors bundled couple cd 's , ca n't confirm indeed , cds bundled usually get nine cds demos applications , games , photos , etc compiled list posted alt cdrom post updated version list rsn sven \)
coral bucknell edu \( dave bell \) subject need modem selection help ! \( especially vocabulary \) organization bucknell university lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host bucknell edu 've recently ordered centris 650 need decide modem buy i'm pretty sure want get fax data modem run 14 4k , worth \? 'll primarily compuserve link internet , i'm sure systems supply data 14 4k another question modem understand baud rates , v3 4 v3 mean \? could really use suggestions good modem around 300 would , would good choice thanks time dave bell coral bucknell edu forget past condemned live duncan macleod
pitt edu \( william b \) subject diamond stelth 24 good \? organization university pittsburgh lines 4 market 24 bit graphics card pc \( isa bus \) , wondering anyone comments \( good \? bad \? otherwise \? \) regarding diamond stealth 24 \?
rintintin colorado edu \( kris gleason \) subject electric power line balls nntp posting host rintintin colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution usa lines 23 fsset bach lerc nasa gov \( scott townsend \) writes got question dad really ca n't answer 'd appreciate net wisdom question 18 24 diameter balls attached electric power lines area 's seen half dozen two poles neither us experience electric power distribution guess may capacitive device equalize inductance grid , many two poles \? anyone know really \? related faq \? better group submit \? 'd appreciate enlightenment think make lines visible airplanes helicopters cheaper blinking red lights 'course could wrong kris
etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) subject help building x11r5 gcc keywords x11r5 , gcc nntp posting host eos6c02 ericsson se reply etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) organization ericsson telecom ab lines 23 article 1993apr6 se citri edu au tim kimba catt citri edu au \( tim liddelow \) writes people please send hints building x11r5 gcc 2 3 3 \? pitfalls avoided \? hints \? would appreciate hearing peoples' stories building x11 gcc since 2 1 time trouble position independant code option broke \( could n't use gcc build sun shared libraries \) important thing follow tips given gcc release gcc generates code requires take account deciding compiler use libraries michael salmon include standard disclaimer include witty saying include fancy pseudo graphics ericsson telecom ab stockholm
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject political atheists \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 14 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) writes , 's thought theory meant humans generally capable instincts , follow often necessarily intelligent ok , n't animals generally capable instincts \? good question i'm sure could answer better , animals brains set differently animals trained , 're instincts serve well , reason contradict keith
rtp dg com \( \) subject wanted mail order hockey equipment distribution usa organization data general corporation , rtp , nc lines 11 could anyone recommend mail order distributor hockey equipment thanks advance wayne wayne e dg rtp dg com data general corporation research triangle park , nc
ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization dundee institute technology lines 32 article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu , mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) writes article 4t transfer stratus com , cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu , mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) writes oh , , guess shooting kind babies right sick bastard cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet thanks reply post way , never , never ever said right shoot kind babies however branch davidian people insisted staying savior \( yeah right budy boy \) brain washed believing ever says truth , even means give lives cause therefore davids fault atf 's gave 50 51 days get , 50 days many goodness sake fired cruise missile compound people would come alive obvious anyone contact reality outcome likely \( possible \) however fire started , mr lawnmower , seem already entered little virtual reality guess ca n't expected understand things real universe alan greig janet greig uk ac dct dundee institute technology internet greig dct ac uk tel \( 0382 \) 308810 \( int 44 382 308810 \) never underestimate power human stupidity
maynard convex com \( mark maynard \) subject opel owners \? nntp posting host trojan convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa distribution rec autos x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 22 article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking gibbonsa sfu ca would manta , would \? \? \? sold buick dealers mid '70 's price leader \? \? \? \? chintan amin sounds like opel gt neat cars , fun drive sold buick 196 \? 1973 \( remember correctly \) believe '72 engine mods made parts interchangeable older models parts thus much harder come later models parts general difficult find one time jc whitney carried stuff including brand new \( \) long block either gt ghia \( hmm spelling looks hosed \) next project mark
eplrx7 es dupont com \( karen rogers \) subject return key dialog organization dupont central research development lines 58 new x programming , please bear trying dialog box returns 's value upon user entering new value hitting return key \( n't want done button \) piece code work exclude argument work someone shed light suggest better way \? ultimately several areas active time allow user modify parameters program thanks help , karen rogers dupont pluto es dupont com code starts void doit \( \) printf \( entered doit function n \) exit \( \) main \( argc , argv \) int argc char argv widget toplevel widget outer xtappcontext app con widget samples arg args 3 static key actions doit , doit , toplevel \( app con , test , null , 0 , argc , argv , null , null \) outer xtcreatemanagedwidget \( , , toplevel , null , zero \) \( app con , key actions , xtnumber \( key actions \) \) xtsetarg \( args 0 , xtnlabel , enter value \) xtsetarg \( args 1 , , 0 \) samples xtcreatemanagedwidget \( samples , , outer , args , 2 \) \( samples , \( key return doit \( \) \) \) xtrealizewidget \( toplevel \) xtappmainloop \( app con \)
blgardne javelin sim es com \( dances bikers \) subject faq dod \? summary everything always wanted know dod , afraid ask keywords dod faq article javelin dod monthly expires sun , 30 may 1993 07 05 01 gmt reply blgardne javelin sim es com organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 849 supersedes dod monthly javelin sim es com periodic posting intended answer frequently asked question dod \? posted first month , expiration time month thus , unless site 's news software ill mannered , posting always available crossposted four rec motorcycles groups attempt catch new users , followups directed rec motorcycles last changed 9 feb 93 add message kotl , bit version 1 1 collection originally assembled , original postings 's permission , title corrections , additions , , etc aimed blgardne javelin sim es com contents get dod number \? blaine gardner dod 46 dod road rider article bruce tanner dod 161 dod \? john sloan dod 11 dod logo chuck rogers dod 3 dod \( started \) denizen doom dod 1 dod anthem jonathan quist dod 94 killed blaine gardner dod 46 rec moto photo archive courtesy bruce tanner dod 161 patches \? patches \? blaine gardner dod 46 letter ama museum jim rogers , director dod 395 dod rules consensus rec moto resources various keepers dod misc rec moto reviews archive courtesy loki jorgenson dod 1210 updated stats rides info ed green \( dod 111 \) others get dod number \? frequently asked question rec motorcycles dod \? , second frequently asked question must get dod number \? simple asking keeper list \( kotl , accept keepers \) number 're feeling creative , favorite number n't taken already , make request , subject kotl approval \( warning , non numeric , non base 10 number requests likely earn flame kotl wo n't get , pay \) oh , one little , tiny suggestion ask kotl e mail 'll playing lightning rod flames post whole net , 'll look like clueless newbie 're probably asking 's kotl already \? well , john sloan notes , 's real secret left around , \( un \) subtle hints first , , anyone mentioned name posting \( maybe \) , though john original kotl second , keeping true spirit unix , kotl 's first name two letters long , spelled entirely characters \( 2 5 , kotl shares name line oriented text utility \) third , occasionally seen posting messages new dod numbers \( mostly weenie mailers \) fourth , reason suspect kotl dead head newsflash message kotl intellectual pinnacle electronically kotl , please keep mind kotl indeed work living , occasionally must pacify boss getting something done request may languish mailer queue \( gasp ! \) days , perhaps even \( horrors ! \) week two times economic activity part kotl 's employers , sending yet another copy request speed processing queue \( makes longer , verification left reader \) suspect mailer problems , least subsequent requests indication former request submitted , lest assigned multiple numbers \( , think kotl list \? ! \? \) one thing , kotl says powers n't used provide information list , ya \? typical dod list entry contains number , name , state country , e mail address example 0111 ed green ca ed green east sun com \( ps john mentions net access bike requirements dod membership , 's strictly true days , number denizens lack one \) blaine \( dances bikers \) gardner blgardne javelin sim es com denizens doom , bruce tanner \( dod \) road rider , august 1991 , reprinted bruce 's permission group motorcyclists gets together normal things bunch bikers discuss motorcycles motorcycling , beverages , cleaning fluids , , , , helmets , anti fog shields , spine protectors , aerodynamics , three angle valve seats , bird hits , deer , good restaurants , racing philosophy , traffic laws , tickets , corrosion control , personalities , , double , culture , absence culture , first rides friendship argue plan rides together difference group local motorcycle club , although get together everyday , never seen face face members group live known world communicate electronically via computer computers range laptops multi million dollar computer centers people range college university students high tech industry professionals public access electronic bulletin board users currently , rec motorcycles \( pronounced wreck dot motorcycles , 's file name group 's primary line meeting place \) carries articles per month read estimated 29 , 000 people frequent posters belong motorcycle club , denizens doom , usually referred dod dod started motorcyclist john r wrote couple parodies designed poke fun motorcycle stereotypes fellow computer enthusiast bruce robinson posted articles pen name , denizen doom later chuck rogers signed dod nr keeper flame bruce designated dod nr 0002 , , course , , originator parodies , given dod nr 0001 idea motorcycle club organization , meetings rules appealed many , john sloan dod nr 0011 became keeper list , issuing dod numbers anyone wanted one date almost 400 issued people united states canada , well australia , new zealand , united kingdom , france , germany , norway finland keeper list sloan eventually designed club patch initial run 300 patches sold immediately profits went american motorcycle heritage foundation another fund selling denizens doom pins members started arnie skurow months later , project successful profits donated foundation far , denizens contributed 1500 ama museum plaque name denizens doom hangs motorcycle heritage museum often possible , dod'ers crawl behind crts go riding together turns two largest concentrations dod'ers centered near denver boulder , colorado , california 's silicon valley consequently , two major events annual assault rollins pass colorado , northern versus southern california joust ride feed bike trip rollins pass , followed big barbecue dinner concept joust riders northern california ride south riders southern california ride north , meeting site somewhere middle additional plan 1991 hold official denizens doom conjunction ama heritage columbus , ohio , july though 's safe bet denizens doom collective communications hub , rec motorcycles , replace traditional motorcycle organizations , electronic pathways search two wheeled , 's great way kindred spirits get together long may flame live flame flame live official motto denizens doom refers ease insult someone electronically , would anything like face face insults known flames issuing called flaming flames often start member disagrees something another member posted network typical , sophisticated , intelligent form calm , reasoned rebuttal would something like incredibly stupid statement , clad ! guarantee five people reply defense original poster , describing think , riding ability cat denizens doom saga unfolds john sloan dod 0011 periodically question dod \? raised one questions class sky blue \? , god , much suffering world \? women inevitably tell 're nice guy dump \? , kinds questions mysticism , tradition , philosophy , questions inspired research discussion philosophers locker rooms , motorcycle service bays , halls generations long , long time ago \( computer time , anything minutes eternity problem really problem \) computer far , far away net \( speaking two machines room atlanta might route mail one another via system chicago \) , chap wished remain anonymous \( eventually assigned dod membership 1 \) wrote satire various personalities flame wars rec motorcycles , signed denizen doom wishing identify , asked individual would fullness time become dod 2 post dod 2 , really giving whit people thought generally right thinking individual , flaming followed would become holder dod membership 3 thought funniest thing 'd seen \( sort pretty easily amused \) , claimed membership denizens doom motorcycle club , started signing postings membership number perhaps readers rec motorcycles struck vision motorcycle club dues , rules , restrictions brand make model national origin motorcycle , club organized electronically may well readers become part something would provide greater identity , gestalt personality , something whole greater sum parts could also 're computer wear black socks sneakers pocket protectors , happen also love taking risks machines awesome power weight ratios , social saw clique would finally open minded enough accept us members clear case self fulfilling prophesy , denizens doom motorcycle club born club majority members never met one another face face \( perhaps like way \) , yet feel know one another pretty well \( well enough given electronic personalities newsgroup \) club organized run \( sense word \) volunteers network via electronic news mail , membership mailing list \( often used organize group rides amongst members live region \) , motto , logo , series photo circulating around country \( organized dod 9 \) , club patches \( organized 11 \) , even mtv style music video \( produced 47 distributed vhs 18 \) ! end \? knows \? dod start races , placing limits memory clock rate board engine management computers \? dod organize poker runs participant collects hand hardware software reference cards \? dod rally attendees demand terminal room least 386 sized unix system \? time tell dod dues , rules , requirements net access love motorcycles become member , one need ask \( although admit must ask one really good club secrets \) new members receive via email membership number latest copy membership list , includes name , state , email address denizens doom motorcycle club live forever \( least next year may decided change name \) live flame flame live dod daemon seen patches , pins , etc chuck rogers , car377 att com , dod \( dod \) \( x x \) \( x x \) \( x x \) \( l f \) \( l \) \( v \) \( e \) \( e \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( f \) \( l l \) \( \) \( \( \) v \) \( e e \) \( x x \) \( x x \) \( x rec motorcycles x \) \( usenet \) dod denizen doom dod 1 welcome one , newsgroup time wreck mudder disciples mudder disciples \? names changes protect guilty \( riders \) innocent \( bikes \) alike think recognize version name , n't 's guilt complex working read 'em weep tune conversation heros terrible barbarian extolling virtues hopalonga puff reverend muck stompin injection terrible hopalonga greatest beats bmws dead ! ! muck n't mean preach , terrible , lighten bmw crowd eh \? mean like like riding yuka yuka jammer 11 heck stompin way , bmw , complete , 's man terrible , 're sounding like heritick ! hey , least selling bmw uses hopalonga ! good puff , called stream stompin mean wee stream terrible going \? call \? \? \? stompin man comes arlow scarecrow high tech let 's see say , eh \? muck men , let 's try civil high tech hi , i'm 9 bmw greatest arlow b love bmw ! terrible b \? \? \? arlow burley thumpison , greatest american ride muck ahhh , look , 're making terrible gag terrible bmw stand anyway \? \? \? muck , arlow , high beats , wilhelm terrible actually , name terrible hmmm , n't know either muck say , comes chunky bear chunky hey , hey , hey ! smarter average bear ! terrible hey , n't drop bmw \? \? \? chunky right eh , little , left behind mean even flamed ! muck 's okay , makes mistakes blue west arrive , led tread orange dill , heritick , buck , snob favorite hooter brush ! heritick terrible , 's yer front back bias \? terrible bad , sold yer bmw \? heritick hooter hoot , hoot buck nice tree hooter , 'd ya get \? hooter hell ! ! ! muck 's \? hooter well , ai n't made ! ! ! made ! ! muck ahh , come , n't going flame ya , honest ! ! dill well , race \? snob know , chunky , know drop well , n't ride ! muck ! ! quiet ! tread bmw 's greatest supreme level headed opinion even luggage made ! high 9 ! terrible , heritick , dill , buck ! ! ! stompin , tread , high , chunky , snob ! ! ! issue could resolved hopalonga crew called local area including polyanna infamous booster ! polyanna well , men , real bikers use bikes like use hopalonga evening bird special helpful getting ole stand ! terrible hopalonga 's great like polyanna says yuka yuka 's good ! booster hate know , know booster love know know muck well , mucho \? snob , tread muck tridump \? terrible n't chewing gum \? muck , \? heritick muck , call demon rider \? muck , mudder disciples arguing make two riders zoom , form pill lifter pill stands stands forever hey , n't know even west pour road hopalonga 's greatest ! may sit ! suddenly people arrived great dark hey , bmw 's great , men prefer motorcycle robot transformers , personally riders west coast come discussion get burley thumpison rigged frame guess gasket go bmw burley thumpison roar latest mudder disciple none clean hopalonga clean like look , hopalonga muck \? \? clean well , like 's gotta 6 banger muck 4 banger clean good ! chunky sob , us 2 bangers ! clean inferior ! stompin hey , look , 's proof bmw 's better bimmer boys burst song \( singing \) beemer babe , beemer babe give thrill road , terrible , polyanna , , dill etc bmw stand \? heritick , stompin , snob , chunky , tread , , high , arlow , ! road , terrible , polyanna , , dill etc oh , n't mean bmw \? ensuing argument goes skies clouded thunder greatest mudder disciple \( g \) g enough bickering ! doomed riding bigot suction powered mini childish actions , , ! ! ! mean wreck mudder disciples riding mini \? arguing heros doomed \? tune next week next gut episode ever increasing cast characters technical problems flamed well done next week 's episode answer question helmet helmet aired , material viewer discretion advised script denizens doom anthem video jonathan e quist dod 94 scene sterile engineering office lone figure , 'll call chuck , stands printer output bin , wearing white cdc lab coat , 5 mechanical pocket protector \( editor 's note reason great deal amusement first annual dod uni coastal ride joust denizens referring chuck guess n't \) chuck n't want software systems analyst , cow towing whims machine , saying , , may another sir mother made wanted live man 's life , music slowly builds background riding triumphs highest mountain passes deepest valleys , living life motorcyclist donuts evading police old ladies raping small children eating small dogs tea \( large dogs dinner \) short , want denizen ! chuck lab coat , revealing black leather jacket \( fringe \) , boots , cap scene simultaneously changes top obviously assaulted rollins pass small hell 's angels sit harleys near background , gunning engines , nails turn donuts , leaking oil chuck standing front heavily chromed fat boy chuck sings tune lumberjack song i'm denizen i'm okay , flame night ride day hell 's angels echo chorus , surprisingly heavy 's denizen 's okay , flames night rides day ride bike eat lunch go ride skyline , running children glee chorus rides bike eats lunch goes rides skyline , running children glee chorus refrain 'cause 's denizen ride real fast , name chuck , somehow seems fit rate worst bad f ck , like real good sh oh , i'm denizen i'm okay ! flame night ride day chorus refrain oh , 's denizen wear high heels bright pink shorts , full leathers bra wish rode harley , like dear chorus refrain killed well , first thing understand \( case managed read far , still figure \) dod started joke words one denizen , intends remain one sometime far distant past , newbie asked dod stand \? 's department defense \? naturally , denizen watched movie top gun times many rose occasion replied 's classified , could tell , 'd kill rest history variation security theme supply disinformation dod stands notable contributions \( , known \) include daughters democracy \( dod 23 \) donuts dancers despair \( dod 9 \) daughters denver driveway death donuts note comprehensive list , variations appear limited contents one 's imagination dictionary file rec moto photo archive first bit history , started stern chuck rogers organizing rec motorcycles photo album many copies made , several sets sent tours around world , vanish unknown locations bruce tanner decided would appropriate electronic medium electronic photo album bruce provided disk space ftp e mail access , taken time scan photos available archive see folks look like , also motorcycles non photo files available server , include dod membership list , dod yellow pages , general rec motorcycles faq , faq posting couple excerpts messages bruce posted use archive via ftp cerritos edu 130 150 200 21 via e mail address server cerritos edu commands given body message current commands dir send , given one per line arguments commands vms style file specifications rec moto photo file spec dod file example , send dir dod send dod bruce tanner gif send dod ps 'll get back 5 mail messages directory listing , 3 uuencoded parts bruce tanner gif , ps file ascii oh , \( \) allowed , maximum 20 mail messages \( rounded next whole file \) send 'send dod would send 150 files 50k good idea bruce tanner \( 213 \) 860 x 596 tanner cerritos edu cerritos college norwalk , ca cerritos ! tanner couple comments bruce put quite bit effort , drop note find rec moto photo archive useful \? second , since bruce provided server favor , would kind access normal working hours \( california time \) patches \? patches \? may heard mention various dod patches pins reaction probably want ! , 's sick ! , perhaps 's sick ! want ! well , 's good news bad news good news 's amazing variety dod labeled widgets created bad news n't anywhere buy n't attempt , simply dod store keeps stock creations done individual denizens pockets typical procedure someone says i'm thinking dod made , 'll cost xx xx , xx xx going ama museum anyone want one \? orders taken , batch large enough cover pre paid orders produced \( quickly consumed \) want dod , act quickly next time somebody decides one produce one see void needs filling , anarchy action 's possibly incomplete list known dod merchandise \( perpetrators \) patches \( dod 11 \) , pins \( dod 99 \) , stickers \( dod 99 \) , motorcycle license plate frames \( dod 216 \) , shirts \( dod 99 \) , shirts \( dod 122 \) , lighters \( dod 99 \) , belt \( dod 99 \) , patches \( dod 99 \) second batch done \( rapidly consumed \) popular demand profits donated american motorcyclist association motorcycle heritage museum june 1992 , 5500 dollars contributed museum fund dod visit museum , 'll see large plaque wall name denizens doom , usenet , world , complete dod pin 's letter ama dod regarding contributions newsgroups rec motorcycles arnie skurow arnie magnus acs ohio state edu subject letter motorcycle heritage museum date mon , 13 apr 1992 11 04 58 gmt received following letter jim rogers , director museum , day dear arnie members denizens doom congratulations expressions gratitude order denizens doom ! recent donation , total amount donated 5 , 500 behalf , please extend gratitude membership denizens club 's new plaque presently prepared course , everyone invited come museum see plaque installed founders way , personally mount denizens club pin plaque , thank support , means much foundation , museum , fulfillment goals sincerely , jim rogers , director p please post computer bulletin board know , even though letter addressed personally , meant purchased dod goodies made amount possible arnie rules , regulations , bylaws denizens doom motorcycle club time time mention , discussion , flame rules dod order fan flames , complete text rules governing dod rule 1 rules rule 0 go ride rec motorcycles information resources several general rec motorcycles resources may may anything dod posted regular basis , also obtained cerritos ftp e mail server \( see info photo archive \) general rec motorcycles faq maintained dave williams cerritos filenames txt , n currently 1 5 dod yellow pages , listing motorcycle industry vendor phone numbers addresses , maintained bob cerritos filename yellow pages , n rev number list dod membership maintained keeper list cerritos filename dod list faq \( surprise , surprise ! \) maintained truly cerritos filename dod faq txt additions , corrections , etc aimed keepers respective texts \( loki jorgenson loki physics mcgill ca \) provided archive site motorcycle accessory reviews , 's excerpt periodic announcement rec motorcycles reviews archives \( world famous llama emporium \) contains veritable plethora \( tm \) bike \( accessories \) reviews , written rec moto readers based experiences invaluable gems opinion \( highly valued potential reduce noise list \) accessed via anonymous ftp , email server personal request anonymous ftp ftp physics mcgill ca \( 132 206 9 13 \) ftp pub dod email archive server rm reviews ftp physics mcgill ca review submissions questions rm reviews physics mcgill ca note difference addresses review submission using email archive server \( ie ftp \) get started email server , send email message line containing send help note return address appears like domain ! ! host ! username mail header , include line like \( something similar \) path username host domain interested submitting review bike already \( ed \) , please ! template format reviews kept \( less \) available archive site internet access unsure anonymous ftp works , example script available request reviews motorcycle related accessory widget welcome updated stats rec motorcycles rides info info cited various places tends moving target rather trying catch every occurence , i'm sticking latest info estimated rec motorcycles readership news groups approximate dod membership 975 kotl dod contributions american motorcyclist association motorcycle heritage museum 5500 arnie organized \( \? \) rides summer 1992 saw organized rides , joust third year , ride feed going strong , without rollins pass trip due collapse tunnel east coast denizens got together right coast ride \( \) , bikers far north nh , far south fl meeting mountains north carolina pacific northwest crew organized first great pacific northwest gather \( \) , another successful excuse riding motorcycles , seeing faces behind names come know well thanks ed green addition also worth mentioning first rec moto dirt ride , held moab area southern utah riders 5 states showed , riding everything monster bmws almost legal 2 strokes though 's official \( anything could official crowd \) rec moto event , vintage motorcycle races springs , colorado always provides good excuse netters gather 's also occasional labor day gather utah european denizens staged gathers \( ad , reasonable rates ! \) blaine gardner evans sutherland 580 drive , slc , utah blgardne javelin sim es com bix blaine g bix com fj1200 half vehicles computers dod 46 blaine gardner evans sutherland 580 drive , slc , utah blgardne javelin sim es com bix blaine g bix com fj1200 half vehicles computers dod 46
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lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject 666 mark beast need info organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 15 slightly different note two buildings ny state big 666 numbers roof \) one manhattan one near garden city garden city one nice black building join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
osprey ux4 cso uiuc edu \( lucas adamski \) subject fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon , needed organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 6 may fairly routine request , i'm looking fast polygon routine used 3d game one works right , slow could anyone point one , pref asm fairly well documented flexible \? thanx , lucas
rgasch nl oracle com \( robert gasch \) subject overriding default wm behaviour organization oracle europe lines 48 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 posted tow weeks ago never saw make \( 've problems mail system \) apologies appears second time usually start application , first get window outline display click mouse button actually place window screen yet specify geometry option window appears right away , properties specified geometry argument question override intermediary step user specify window position \? 've tried explicitly setting window size position , alter normal program behaviour thanks hints robert ps i'm working plain x , using tvtwm robert gasch der mai ist der tag dem die ins oracle engineering und den de , nl auf rgasch nl oracle com headers ! expo lcs mit edu ! xpert mailer thu apr 22 17 24 28 1993 remote received aol com id thu , 22 apr 93 17 10 35 edt received psi com psi com \( 5 4 0 psi \) via smtp id thu , 22 apr 93 12 04 36 0400 received expo lcs mit edu psi com \( 4 1 3 1 psi \) id thu , 22 apr 93 10 19 31 edt received expo lcs mit edu thu , 22 apr 93 06 57 38 0400 received enterpoop mit edu expo lcs mit edu thu , 22 apr 93 06 57 37 0400 received enterpoop mit edu \( 5 57 4 7 \) id thu , 22 apr 93 06 57 14 0400 received usenet enterpoop xpert expo lcs mit edu \( xpert expo lcs mit edu \) contact usenet enterpoop questions xpert expo lcs mit edu date 22 apr 93 08 09 35 gmt rgasch nl oracle com \( robert gasch \) message id oracle nl organization oracle europe subject overriding default behaviour
ndd sunbar mc duke edu \( ned \) subject compiling clients sun ipx organization basic arrhythmia laboratory , duke univ med center , durham , n c lines 19 nntp posting host bal1 mc duke edu originator ndd bal1 i'm trying set ipx another group copied x stuff compiled 4 280 \( runs sunos 4 1 1 \) using gcc 2 1 , things run fine however , find couple bugs , try recompile clients ipx \( runs 4 1 3 \) , get ld undefined symbol know include libxext get rid messages , ca n't figure get ipx 4 280 ideas \? ned \( ndd sunbar mc duke edu \) basic arrhythmia laboratory box , duke university medical center durham , nc 27710 \( 919 \) 660 5111 660 5100
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dxf12 po cwru edu \( douglas fowler \) subject christian parenting organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 83 sorry posting , e mail keeps bouncing maybe help others , anyway , therefore pray others read actually response aunt , 5 kids , since none yet hi sociology student currently researching young offenders looking way various groups children raised home moment information discipline within christian home please , parent catagory email response following responses treated used prepare stats i'm posting good christian relative e mail access since aunt uncle 5 kids felt would relevant , none \( yet \) 1 ages sexes children 13 year old \( \) twins , boy , 6 boy , girl 2 spank kids \? n't call spanking , , yes , rarely 3 often \? n't call spanking 's reaction something dangerous , trying stick finger fan running road maybe 3 4 times except girl , yet call hurt feelings , course give hugs stuff ensure know 're still loved 4 use implement spank \? , would painful 's never recall punished besides , must immediate , taking time go get 're right away , impact 's emotional child evidenced fact little slap rear hurts perhaps 5 seconds called spanking 5 spank , method discipline use \? lots logical consequences instance , matthew dared good friend jump would push , made sure n't play together 5 days 'd know would make lose friends quickly 's never done anything like since also use time rooms use timer n't keep arguing leaving , since 's hard argue go closed door tell timeout wo n't calm 're use top stairs 're really young 6 age \? 40 7 location bath , ohio 's right outside akron , northeast part ohio 8 age 16 ever commit criminal offence \? , none kids would dream hope use teach parents physical punishment n't always required parents use excuse hit hard 9 ere disciplined kid lots timeouts , use family husband 's never used fact , grandmother law one 11 kids , almost never around turn century , none us ever law man made god 's law jesus says , referring small child holding , ye least , ye also bible also says things kind , merciful , especially loving \( colossians 3 12 15 \) room selfish anger , 'll admit 've tempted times 've felt like spanking hard anger , maybe kid deserved little slap rear , would given would devil 's work could feel temptation , ordered kid room went room praying asking god 's forgiveness , much , feel like spanking , felt done enough punishment doug fowler dxf12 po cwru edu , age 4 ever wonder , casey relatives give lots hugs love missed 3rd strike poem support , 'cause heaven great ran first made \? big hug lasts forever ever ! ! !
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject getting early start ! nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 61 patrick eecs nwu edu writes jury making announcement 7 00 saturday morning pacific time 10 00 eastern time ungodly hour \? maybe making announcement 7 00 west coast , figure rioters asleep , giving troops time move place since actual verdicts known authorities , smart allow friday night fighting \( sorry , \) seal morning also , allows maximum daylight wear frustrate potential , well give preparation time guess look forward weekend rioting , eh \? local news intern \? \( mayor los angeles , press conference 3 00 saturday morning , actually , 8 pm 'cos shown live 11 pm news cut cnn 's 11 o'clock sports \( sorry , n't watch devils islanders game ! sportschannel \) meanwhile , following announcement jury 's verdict , judge , jury assorted court personnel evacuated building via helicopters landing roof courthouse ca n't even walk front door heads held high la 's , n't recall detail 'll comment wo n't rioters surprise waiting wake later today ! net contact l tells alert remain weekend , elements may find excuse guilty verdicts three five charges \( aiding \) seem balance fact rodney king kind angel night , speeding fleeing et al however another consideration street celebrations two convictions excessive force charges \( , powell overreacting guilty heck even view cops interviewed \) might get hand \) also , elements may take excuse challenge cops \( dumb move , obviously \) , koreans still scared certain people really mad armed last year commander , long island questioned people would handled rodney king , said 'd let roll around dirt 'til got tired , gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject , wilder hit airwaves support brady bill organization stratus computer , inc lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr1 r node hub org , ndallen r node hub org \( nigel allen \) writes press release handgun control inc ironic jim observing march 30 country finds america 's level gun violence unacceptable , unbelievable , said mrs brady , chair handgun control inc \? would consider staying \? cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
michael robert andrew cmu edu subject 800x600 video iici \? organization freshman , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 6 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu need able run nec 3fgx 600 mode iici \? done right video card \? , video card \? michael
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject usual organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 54 arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) writes yes , pro gun , yes , disagree statement nuclear weapons dangerous radioactive decay plutonium uranium , well weapon , tends somewhat dangerous living things \( say neutron flux \? \) say , get background radiation living denver office building standing next power reactor full power standing next nuclear warhead armed \? look shielding dictionary n't need six feet lead make decent shielding dead skin cell layer excellent job alpha particles , neutrons slowed mere water think 75 \? plus things self defense purposes 's kinda hard justify use militia weapon best meant battlefield use \( low yield weapons \) worst industrial target \( translation cities population centers \) militia job overthrow illegal government , indeed useful weapons militia wo n't useful certain areas , pentagon would good thing said overthrow 's likely one man carrying backpack would stand better chance one thousand armed colt peacemakers n't let self defense become reason gun sole means justification , wo n't overthrow government ceases legal government , need want every weapon get one easily say rifle larger 22 needed kill human right human wearing armor riding apc , things get bit different n't see weapon problem 's manner use contention mention used militia weapon expect user live requires sort launch vehicle guess either n't alarm clock never heard terms timer martyr either n't forget remote devices cb radio pickup next easily transmit ten miles decent weather 's blast radius many portable nuclear devices radioactive decay worried \? dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
dgf1 ellis uchicago edu \( david farley \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? reply dgf1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 25 article 0010580b diablo uucp diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) writes 've trying figure way get adobe illustrator auto trace exactly see screen misses edges templates many 6 pixels resulting images useless need exact tracing , approximate 've tried adjusting freehand tolerances well autotrace tolerances n't help suggestions \? charles boesel diablo creative pro con cboesel diablo uu holonet net 's opposite progress \? 1 510 980 1958 \( pager \) else , congress 've exactly problems aldus freehand think one features barely works , everybody feels compelled throw guys \) david farley university chicago library 312 702 3426 1100 east 57th street , jrl 210 dgf1 midway uchicago edu chicago , illinois 60637
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hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject final solution gaza \? reply center policy research 's message 23 apr 93 15 10 pdt organization dept computer science , brown university lines 30 article 1483500354 igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes final solution gaza ghetto \? israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto , repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans elias families children stabbed high school palestinian freedom fighter ones offer help gazans perhaps families 18 israelis murdered last month palestinian freedom fighters jews warsaw ghetto fighting keep families sent nazi gas chambers groups like hamas islamic jihad fight expressed purpose driving jews sea perhaps , persuade jewish people help freedom fighters attain ultimate goal maybe freedom fighters choose spare co operative jews counting , elias pity murderers say mother jewish ashamed must son sorry , mrs davidsson harry
gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( phil trodwell \) subject vb \? lines 9 organization university waterloo subject says exist \? shareware \? \? phil trodwell space 'd happy ram goddam 440 volt cattle rent prod tub right , \( cheap \) radio ! hunter thompson
sscvx1 ssc gov subject mazda feel right lines 24 nntp posting host sscvx1 organization superconducting super collider laboratory article msi umn edu , msi umn edu \( ram v \) writes 've 89 mazda 323 miles recently get good feeling road , esp wet pavement driving car feels car wandering grip road tires original ones threads \( passes penny head test \) shocks alignment checked things fine however feel like dont grip road feel car wandering esp turns help appreciated thanks two shots \( 1 \) check tires see wear bars , 're problem area \( tires pass penny test bars 's guide \) problem wet call may enough tread left channel water tire goes lifts road \( 2 \) tires age particular , soft tire compounds get harder put thru heat cycles harder compounds n't grip well soft ones effect noticable tires get hot often , competition , hits tires bob benson
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 36 ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes riding hill leading house , encountered liver white springer spaniel \( relation springer softail , springer spagthorpe , close relation spagthorpe viking \) must missed article spagthorpe viking one little illuminated dragon 's head front fender , style later copied indian , round side covers \? accident deleted worries accident n't think could prevented except traveling much slower necessarily unreasonable suggestion residential area , riding around speed limit forget line reasoning animal decides take , 's nothing something genetics putting along mere , gravel road loose rocks \( , like bad concrete \) , swinging beef jumped fence , came ditch , rammed ! saw jump fence went gas , since 20 feet ahead good forty side damn cow literally chased nailed damage cow , bent case guard severely annoyed rider casualties shotgun 'd still eating steak nope , cow hit i'm actively evading , forget much dog run dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject want billion organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 37 reply sysmgr king eng umd edu nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff know private titan pad \? 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff assume new launcher development assume new launcher development , lower costs specific objective , probably n't want build something hlv sized anyway nobody interested launching things cheaply buy titans n't take many titan pay laser launcher large gas gun development program big dumb booster , would far better cost effectiveness henry , made assumption gets wins , want put fine print says thou shall r rather use shelf hardware \? sorry , n't see copy proposals run along lines dollar amount reward simple goal go ahead development , 'll buy shelf higher cost \( even russian also assume 'd buy us \) camped moon launching assembling little payloads leo laser gas gun working bugs assembly integration leo oh , hey , could get couple tuned lunar environment \? wanna prospecting i'm software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
chrisa hpwarr hp com \( chris \) subject \( \? \) speedstar vga card win drivers reply chrisa hpwarr uucp keywords vga speedstar drivers video card lines 6 drivers \( updated \) available directly diamond even ship charge \( least \)
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject propaganda fillibuster lines 213 organization university tennessee computing center article dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article veal 740 utkvm1 utk edu , veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes simply \? ca n't know phill really means 's obviously using arguments designed convince make secret , stated explicitly posts political propagandist numerous occasions anyone posting group probably wrong group example numerous occasions stated quite clearly beleive certain factions gun lobby worst possible advocates cause prepared anything power provide platform convince people far better could hope many people fixation lethal weapons dangerous happen know political position people advocating harm good , please point people even accused inventing advocates purely purpose trash set political views fact would futile tactic could never hope invent character dangerous athena edu , man quite seriously believe ill potential psychopath unfortunately local office informed unable act untill attacks someone one advantages draw backs requiring proof part government may take action citizens \( part reason us believe weapons available \) ask point trying make current argument absolute sanctity us constitution would answer \? arguing absolute sanctity u constitution fact , fillibuster 're talking n't constitution objected suggestion senate n't intended exercise power clearly given firstly see current us political scene like uk political scene become tied special interests rather chase convenient put media gay rights , environmentalists , zionists \( e jews \) , foreign lobbyists whatever voting power etc look really inevitable conclusion major corporations owned ultra wealthy regan bush created described welfare state rich 'll point reagan republican majority senate first term , coalition house came apart time bush never real support congress real point everybody , everywhere got pork , big corporations guy saw last night leaving convenience store junk food 'd bought food stamps \( spent food stamps junk make week i'm government \) money diverted programs addressing social needs poured weapons industry form cost plus profits contracts , let 's pull old almanac 1980 , total u government budget 590 9 billion dollars 1992 \( est \) 1 trillion dollars , increase approx 884 billion dollars 1980 , national defense cost 133 9 billion dollars 192 307 billion dollars , increase 174 billion dollars leaves increase 710 billion dollars unaccounted \( represented increase 230 \) 1980 , income security \( includes retirement programs , housing , unemployment benefits , believe welfare \) cost 86 5 billion dollars 1992 198 billion dollars , national defense started \( represented increase 230 \) 1980 , federal government spent 32 billion dollars medicare 1992 spent 118 billion dollars \( increase 368 \) 1980 , feds spent 9 billion dollars housing credits subsidies like 1992 87 billion 1980 , health care services research 23 billion dollars 1992 , 94 billion dollars agriculture , 9 billion 17 billion science , 11 billion 16 billion resource conservation 7 billion 20 billion education 14 billion 45 billion veteran benefits 12 billion 33 billion 13 billion 34 billion things see seriously decreased energy category , primarily supply , community development , area disaster relief , two represent loss less 11 billion dollars huge diversion \? order rectify situation must constitutional revision 's stretch current government pushed president create mess , would n't one expect begin equalize pressure gone \? secondly form revision must take account changed role federal government assuming new role positive role want continue see little positive constitution cannot used frustrate democratic process constitution designed frustrate democratic process , voters could absolutely sure getting wanted time happened see putting brakes democratic process inherently bad thing 's riding edge every time pull ballot initiative nonsense gets worse want welfare spending federal government sometimes , perhaps time , people told , , pointed local government attempting prevent constitutional trickery leads constitution brought disrepute phill , would great favor repeating talk politics guns \? methods always found bypass provisions government gets used bypassing provisions bypass others first ammendment cute eliminate violations law eliminating law major reason right guns excluded , implication right equal right free speech dangerous free speech alone dangerous , phill people know mass ownership lethal weapons causes thousands murders year , dangerous conclusion may reach first ammendment may also dangerous mistake ok , phill gotta show clear pattern reduction homicide rates across several countries 'll \( current , mind , , reduction \) note however slippery slope argument right freedom speech chained privilege weaponry danger arises advocates must allowed chain freedom speech cause fall freedom speech falls well actions actions people genuinely interested freedom 's chaining anything freedom speech \? calling freedom \? thirdly importantly want discover mechanism intellectual debate opposed debate consider grave threat loss ability reason political debate anything superficial level objection raise basing case entirely assertion supremacy us constitution currency argument limited currency totem upon based danger different ways different people phill , 're master subtly changing subject n't based argument raw democracy constitution 've tried explain n't good idea time 've referred constitution point n't contain restrictions veto senate appear believe meant , n't make constitution n't contain 41 fillibuster rule believe rule good idea c n't dismiss constitution n't constitution david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenians get away genocide azeri people reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 47 article cbfsb cb att com enis cbnewsg cb att com \( enis \) writes article zuma uucp , sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) armenians get away genocide 204 , 000 azeri people contrary , armenians get away genocide 204 , 000 azeri people armenians already got away raping , torturing , millions innocent moslem peoples eastern anatolia time , enis furthermore , new generation risen equipped deep sense commitment , politically mature conscious , pursue turkish cause , necessary means , ranging political diplomatic armed struggle words , demand fascist government x soviet armenia redress wrongs done people crime systematic cleansing mass killing extermination muslim population soviet republic armenia , karabag , bosnia herzegovina comparable extermination 2 5 million muslims armenian government wwi 6 million european jews wwii \( azeri leader september 25 , 1992 \) today 's ethnic cleansing policies serbian dictatorship muslims yugoslavia , well soviet republic armenia 's muslim population neighboring azerbaijan , really different aspirations genocide perpetrated armenian government 78 years ago turkish kurdish muslims sephardic jews living lands \( kurdish leader october 13 , 1992 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
saz hook corp mot com \( scott zabolotzky \) subject gif bmp organization motorola , inc distribution usa nntp posting host 129 188 122 164 lines 12 anybody idea could find program convert gif image bmp image suitable windows wallpaper \( e 256 colors \) hopefully 's something get ftp site somewhere thanks advance scott
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject exact , 2 5 million muslims exterminated armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 287 article appserv eng sun com linden positive eng sun com \( peter van der linden \) writes 1 , turks kill armenians \? , jews kill germans \? even make armenians laugh appropriate analogy jewish holocaust might systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted least 30 40 percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated eye witnessed atrocities published u 1926 title 'men like ' references abound \( rachel bortnick jewish times june 21 , 1990 \) 2 armenians massacred turks \? yes exact , armenians slaughtered 2 5 million muslim people 1914 1920 source 1 mccarthy , j , muslims minorities , population ottoman anatolia end empire , new york university press , new york , 1983 , pp 133 144 source 2 hovannisian , richard g , armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 source hovannisian , richard g armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia 130 , 000 square miles estimated population entire region 1886 4 , 700 , 000 , 940 , 000 \( 20 percent \) armenian , 1 , 200 , 000 \( 25 percent \) georgian , 2 , 220 , 000 \( 45 percent \) moslem latter group , 1 , 140 , 000 tatars paradoxically , barely one third transcaucasia 's armenians lived erevan guberniia , christians constituted majority three seven uezds erevan uezd , administrative center province , 44 , 000 armenians compared 68 , 000 moslems time russian census 1897 , however , armenians established scant majority , 53 percent , guberniia risen 1916 60 percent , 670 , 000 1 , 120 , 000 inhabitants impressive change province 's ethnic character notwithstanding , , eve creation armenian republic , solid block 370 , 000 tartars continued dominate southern districts , outskirts ereven border persia \( see also map 1 historic armenia map 4 administrative subdivisions transcaucasia \) 1920 , '0' percent turk closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 references eminent authors field middle eastern history eyewitnesses armenian genocide 2 5 million muslims 1 armenian revolutionary movement louise nalbandian , university california press , berkeley , los angeles , 1975 2 diplomacy imperialism 1890 1902 william lenger , professor history , harward university , boston , alfred knopt , new york , 1951 3 turkey europe sir charles elliot , edward arnold , london , 1900 4 chatnam house version middle eastern studies elie kedouri , praeger publishers , new york , washington , 1972 5 rising crescent ernest jackh , farrar reinhart , inc , new york toronto , 1944 6 spiritual political evolutions islam felix valyi , mogan , paul , trench truebner co , london , 1925 7 struggle power moslem asia e alexander powell , century co , new york , london , 1924 8 struggle transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh , yale university press , new , conn , 1951 9 history ottoman empire modern turkey \( 2 volumes \) stanford j shaw , cambridge university press , cambridge , new york , melbourne , 1977 10 western question greece turkey arnold j toynbee , constable co , ltd , london , bombay sydney , 1922 11 caliph 's last heritage sir mark sykes , macmillan co , london , 1915 12 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1928 13 adventures near east , 1918 22 rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 14 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 15 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) 16 armenia road independence richard g hovanessian , university california press , berkeley , california , 1967 17 rebirth turkey clair price , thomas seltzer , new york , 1923 18 caucasian battlefields w b allen paul muratoff , cambridge , 1953 19 partition turkey harry n howard , h fertig , new york , 1966 20 king crane commission harry n howard , beirut , 1963 21 united states policy partition turkey laurence evans , john hopkins university press , baltimore , 1965 22 british documents related turkish war independence gothard jaeschke 1 neside kerem demir , bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiye'nin ermeni meselesi , hulbe basim yayin , ankara , 1982 \( ingilizce birinci baski 1980 , armenian question turkey \) 2 veysel eroglu , ermeni mezalimi , sebil yayinevi , istanbul , 1978 3 alper gazigiray , osmanlilardan gunumuze kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru'nun kaynaklari , gozen kitabevi , istanbul , 1982 4 dr kirzioglu fahrettin , kars ili cevresinde ermeni mezalimi , kardes matbaasi , ankara , 1970 c basbakanlik osmanli arsivi , babiali , istanbul \) yildiz esas evraki b \) yildiz perakende c \) irade defterleri \) cemaat gayr muslime defterleri e \) meclisi vukela mazbatalari f \) dahiliye nezareti , kalem mahsus dosyalari g \) dahiliye nezareti , sifre defterleri h \) babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar \) babiali evrak odasi muhimme kartonlari c disisleri bakanligi , hazine evrak , defterdarlik \) harb umumi b \) muteferrik kartonlar british archives \) parliamentary papers \( hansard \) commons lords b \) foreign office confidential print various collections c \) foreign office 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askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxi \( 81 \) , \( dec 1982 \) askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxii \( 83 \) , \( dec 1983 \) hocaoglu , \( ed \) ittihad anasir osmaniye heyeti nizamnamesi , \( istanbul , 1912 \) meray , l \( trans ed \) lozan baris konferansi tutanaklar belgeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) , 2 vols meray , l olcay \( ed \) osmanli imparatorlugu'nun cokus belgeleri mondros birakismasi , sevr andlasmasi , ilgili belgeler , \( ankara , 1977 \) \( osmanli devleti , dahiliye nezareti \) aspirations et agissements revolutionnaires des comites armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la constitution ottomane , \( istanbul , 1917 \) ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra , \( istanbul , 1916 \) idare umumiye vilayet kanunu , \( istanbul , 1913 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v \( istanbul , 1914 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v ii \( istanbul , 1915 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iii \( istanbul , 1916 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iv \( istanbul , 1917 \) \( osmanli devleti , hariciye nezareti \) imtiyazat ecnebiyye'nin lagvindan dolayi memurine teblig olunacak talimatname , \( istanbul , 1915 \) \( osmanli devleti , harbiye nezareti \) islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat , \( istanbul , 1919 \) \( iv ordu \) aliye divan harbi orfisinde tedkik olunan mesele yi siyasiye hakkinda izahat , \( istanbul , 1916 \) turkozu , h k \( ed \) osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi , \( ankara , 1982 \) turkiye buyuk millet meclisi gizli celse zabitlari , \( ankara , 1985 \) , 4 vols russia adamof , e e \( ed \) sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyle anadolu'nun taksimi plani , \( tran h rahmi , ed h mutlucag \) , \( istanbul , 1972 \) altinay , r iki komite iki kital , \( istanbul , 1919 \) kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler , \( istanbul , 1919 \) turkiye 'de katolik propagandasi , turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi , v xiv 82 5 \( sept 1924 \) asaf muammer harb mesulleri , \( istanbul , 1918 \) akboy , c birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , v osmanli imparatorlugu'nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harbe girisi , \( gn kur , ankara , 1970 \) akgun , general harbord'un anadolu gezisi \( ermeni meselesi'ne dair \) raporu kurtulus savasi baslangicinda , \( istanbul , 1981 \) akin , turk devrim tarihi , \( istanbul , 1983 \) aksin , jon turkler ittihad terakki , \( istanbul , 1976 \) basar , z \( ed \) ermenilerden gorduklerimiz , \( ankara , 1974 \) ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) belen , f birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , \( ankara , 1964 \) deliorman , turklere karsi ermeni komitecileri , \( istanbul , 1980 \) ege , n n \( ed \) prens sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari , \( istanbul , 1977 \) ercikan , ermenilerin bizans osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri , \( ankara , 1949 \) gurun , k 'ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir \? ' , turk tarihinde ermeniler sempozyumu , \( izmir , 1983 \) hocaoglu , arsiv vesikalariyla tarihte ermeni mezalimi ermeniler , \( istanbul , 1976 \) karal , e osmanli tarihi , v v \( 1983 , 4th ed \) v vi \( 1976 , 2nd ed \) v vii \( 1977 , 2nd ed \) v viii \( 1983 , 2nd ed \) ankara kurat , osmanli imparatorlugu'nun paylasilmasi , \( ankara , 1976 \) orel , yuca ermenilerce talat pasa'ya atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu , \( ankara , 1983 \) also english translation ahmad , f young turks committee union progress turkish politics , \( oxford , 1969 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga lines 14 1993apr15 igor tamri com donb igor tamri com \( baldwin \) writes think n't drugs legalized , would lower cost definitely make safer use think n't use drugs , outside legal ones \( alcohol coffee \) i'm addicted chocolate mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
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clinton hq campaign92 org \( clinton gore '92 \) subject clinton president 's remarks summer jobs conference 4 14 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 378 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 14 , 1993 remarks president summer jobs conference hyatt crystal city , virginia 11 22 edt president thank much speech gave says anything able say today 's important give young people chance get work experience continue learn , merge nature learning work 's important honor efforts people like jerry levin combs pat irving want thank secretaries labor education people work sponsoring good friend , governor wilder , speaking business local community leaders city county state level around america pretty fun day \( laughter \) loved hearing young people sing music ears future really struggling \( applause \) year half ago began quest seek presidency concerned future believe country , always beacon hope young , little opportunity , divided among across lines income race region ways , without vision take us future entered hope together could create opportunity insist much responsibility people process might recreate best america 's community , knowing together could always could individually might secure future today committed 1 , 000 jobs jerry levin committed time warner symbolic commitments made many private sector people , around country work combs , successes young people like stage , especially eloquent statement things show together know need , 're right track last july traveling across america 's heartland bus , visited high school louisville , kentucky met young people business people participating louisville education employment partnership saw combs talked today saw young people making extra effort succeed school work saw , seen many times state , principle illustrated talked millions american young people really impediment learning ability good workers draw sharp dividing line work learning world living , average young person change nature work seven eight times lifetime must learn merge work world learning world much better must determine young people see opportunities today whether 're business government education , know big job comes building future really , honestly includes opportunity people still lot people say , well , things pretty good washington everything 's fine best thing whole thing nothing jobs \( laughter \) people say \( applause \) health insurance pretty good education pretty secure knowledge 'll okay matter happens say either political unduly critical , point one great challenges age every advanced nation everyone fully develop capacities people , find work european countries higher unemployment rates , also stronger support systems unemployed japanese unemployment rate going 're going adopt stimulus , even count rigorous terms , three four times bigger one proposed create jobs west germany alone , unemployment rate high big problem advanced nations costs lot money add extra employee , lot pressure low wage producers countries growing economies trying provide new opportunity people especially important america two reasons one , whole lot folks , unless move aggressively , education skills need competitive productive nation like second , even educate , n't jobs robbed fruits educational people need able work country \( applause \) always unemployment , indeed , normal 've always got people leaving jobs moving around country first one thing another , moment history , necessity big organizations , including government , way organized ask whether many people working kinds jobs whole , must still able create jobs country like america , provide people chance work 's going difficult make welfare reform proposals make congress next couple months 's going hard make work , end work , get welfare n't job \( applause \) two tasks one develop capacity american people perform without regard race income circumstances birth make sure opportunities bring bear talent rewarded paycheck great challenge pretend answers simple know want ask american people , , responsible , want recreate sense community country bridges lines race income region , got opportunity mix part vision america future every young person country 's willing play rules work hard strive end rainbow something end rainbow basically talk today partners , recognizing none us alone , develop capacities people succeed wherever live whatever background , make sure 's something \? summer jobs program 're discussing today integral part plan , promote values work opportunity fairness , community put people first , partnership public private sector said addressed united states congress february program would seek create 700 , 000 extra summer jobs government sources challenge american business community meet target create million new summer jobs created many , many people responded challenge jerry shining example replicated room around country people going otherwise would private sector give young people work experience terribly important want emphasize summer jobs program part overall commitment increase capacity american people defense workers lose jobs adults need acquire new skills improving transition school work young people n't go college need least two years post high school training either job community college vocational setting , competitive workers , making possible people go college want go things part parcel comprehensive plan 's also important , said , create jobs emergency jobs program asked congress adopt would create half million extra jobs next year half , would reduce unemployment rate half percent would also enable us absorb young people coming work force jobs otherwise created also help lot cities counties invest things need done grass roots level projects long delayed , water projects , sewer projects , park projects , new industries particularly small medium size communities whole range things improve economy improve environment summer jobs program important part tried first time , work labor department education department reaching people like , make one shot summer jobs program integrate private sector efforts hopefully replicate coming summer move young people educational opportunities job opportunities strong , meaningful education component summer jobs something united states government never fully emphasized lot young people , well know , come difficult backgrounds , go school difficult challenging circumstances , need extra help building basic skills math language , reasoning areas lot educational studies show young people difficulty school often forget much 30 percent learn summer repeated next year trying give people opportunity learn good work habits reinforce learning skills put together , hopefully , next couple years , entire program passes , give every school country opportunity good work learning environment applied academics , opportunities people learn work school year , simply isolated moment young folks , part building whole new educational experience , whole new work experience , moving pathway better future summer jobs programs designed make work jobs 're designed make future people holding job 's process , 'll help build local communities , strengthen local economies , solve local problems real jobs housing , repairing public buildings , clerical work , providing nursing assistance hospitals , training children child care centers , learning way challenging young people learn earn , letting earn know , 's difficult make case people never seen opportunity street , , thing 's evidence opportunity 's end effort going last year half places n't exactly popular say , say wanted reform welfare system wanted child support wanted require people work sick tired people irresponsible use guns streets , wanted change 're going summon people greater responsibility , reward right thing opportunity \( applause \) young people propose put work program spend 90 hours learning basic skills , math , reading , writing either job classroom stretch minds well work sweat sense accomplishment literally summer challenge , challenge take different life want ask support effort even , president , support effort end summer evaluate young people participate 'll see whether , instead falling behind summer academically many young people , stayed even moved ahead suspect summer , secretary reich secretary riley visiting many communities 'll really try learn efforts working , next summer , build goes school year , build job training efforts works companies make sense whole thing maximize impact taxpayer dollar private investments well want honor companies communities , business leaders young people best jobs summer , , want say private business matched effort , thank n't , across country may listen learn event today , want private employers stretch little bit give young people chance work summer i'm telling , cannot go another 10 years n't give children anything say yes right , 've got able reward \( applause \) speakers talking , sitting platform , listening got talking work , got thinking different things 've done make living life 13 , made foolish short term business investment set comic book stand sold two trunks full comic books made money ever life saved trunks , 'd worth 100 , 000 today \( laughter \) mean young people means ca n't generation ahead yards cleared land built houses worked body shops parts departments car dealership 've done lot different things living people say got politics escape work \( laughter \) learned something every job ever grew generation literally know living soul without regard race income wanted work n't job grew generation really say people , get education 'll right 'll get job 'll make money next year year live generation full people , n't make money real dollars 10 years ago 're working longer hours 're paying basics life wondering whether create jobs young people want , want close two things n't matter kind economic policies administration , much productivity increases private sector , young americans n't get good education , n't learn work ca n't productive , jobs created country machines work work done shore people skill levels work third fourth fifth wages nothing economically matter unless build skills capacities america 's work force anybody pretends otherwise kidding hand , need honest every wealthy country world , including united states , difficulty creating jobs knew everything needs done 'd glad tell could call whole deliberations congress everything else n't answers know nothing answer \( applause \) jobs program presented congress , summer jobs , money cities counties , community development program , infrastructure money , small part big budget attempt engage experiment see whether , economy recovering terms corporate profit , give little boost , give opportunities young people , create half million jobs maybe get engine going jobs program going jobs private sector , government jobs , even though 's government money lion 's share work rebuilding american economy obviously come private sector 's kind system works pretty well challenge ask today support summer jobs program , ask friends neighbors support , go back home ask employers make little extra effort help pass funds create 700 , 000 jobs united states government create summer , together partnership anything else , give future future young people believe need send message america study hard work hard , obey law contribute something community , rewarded country build future dreams always promise america together 's summer challenge needs reaffirmation promise america many young people promise illusion make reality thank much \( applause \) 45 edt
poe acc virginia edu \( warren \) subject spelling error stanley cup \? \? organization university virginia lines 24 r turgeo oz plymouth edu writes reading newspaper tidbit mentioned grammatical error stanley cup newspaper , union leader \( manchester , new hampshire \) , stated one years new york islanders cup , printing actual cup stated new york anyone verify \? \? forgot exact year supposedly occured die hard islander fans know \? \? reason asking paper reliable , call union mis leader randy plymouth state college r turgeo oz plymouth edu speaking spelling errors cup , wonder h pittsburgh made cup know funny people spelling pittsburgh warren visual communications 10 miles behind university virginia 10 , 000 go
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject hard drive security organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 18 nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com keywords cooperation article rpi edu rpi edu writes say , anyone send info hard disk ps would also like know consequences types actions chose future country european countries people encrypting notes notebooks hundreds years maybe thousand 's long tradition dating least back know nothing bad happening would assume nothing bad would happen , given long history establishing encryption property individuals , please disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
netlink cts com \( walter \) subject doubters \? hmm \? article netlink organization netlink online communications , san diego ca lines 7 blackhawks shall triumph walter weather likes , net link armored division netlink cts com world gambling velocity cut ups
c5ff jupiter sun csd unb ca \( cook charlie \) subject nhl summary parse results games played mon , april 19 , 1993 organization university new brunswick lines 79 toronto 1 1 1 3 detroit 1 4 1 6 first period 1 , detroit , yzerman 1 \( gallant , ciccarelli \) 4 48 2 , toronto , cullen 1 \( clark , gill \) 10 44 second period 3 , detroit , sheppard 1 \( probert , coffey \) pp , 5 04 4 , detroit , burr 1 \( racine \) sh , 6 42 5 , detroit , chiasson 1 \( coffey \) pp , 11 00 6 , detroit , howe 1 \( yzerman , drake \) 14 46 7 , toronto , gilmour 1 \( borschevsky , ellett \) pp , 19 59 third period 8 , detroit , racine 1 \( primeau , drake \) 5 10 9 , toronto , lefebvre 1 \( cullen , pearson \) 7 45 detroit 6 power play 6 2 special goals pp 2 sh 1 total 3 scorer g pts burr 1 0 1 chiasson 1 0 1 ciccarelli 0 1 1 coffey 0 2 2 drake 0 2 2 gallant 0 1 1 howe 1 0 1 primeau 0 1 1 probert 0 1 1 racine 1 1 2 sheppard 1 0 1 yzerman 1 1 2 toronto 3 power play 5 1 scorer g pts borschevsky 0 1 1 clark 0 1 1 cullen 1 1 2 ellett 0 1 1 gill 0 1 1 gilmour 1 0 1 lefebvre 1 0 1 pearson 0 1 1 winnipeg 1 0 1 2 vancouver 2 0 2 4 first period 1 , vancouver , adams 1 \( linden , bure \) pp , 1 23 2 , vancouver , craven 1 \( bure , murzyn \) 9 56 3 , winnipeg , steen 1 \( shannon , housley \) pp , 17 53 second period scoring third period 4 , winnipeg , king 1 \( barnes \) 3 43 5 , vancouver , linden 1 \( courtnall , mclean \) 12 16 6 , vancouver , ronning 1 \( courtnall \) 18 31 vancouver 4 power play 6 1 scorer g pts adams 1 0 1 bure 0 2 2 courtnall 0 2 2 craven 1 0 1 linden 1 1 2 mclean 0 1 1 murzyn 0 1 1 ronning 1 0 1 winnipeg 2 power play 3 1 scorer g pts barnes 0 1 1 housley 0 1 1 king 1 0 1 shannon 0 1 1 steen 1 0 1
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject immaculate conception organization indiana university lines 28 article may 14 02 11 19 1993 athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) wrote quite problem idea mary never committed sin mary fully human \? possible god miraculously make person free original sin , free committing sin whole life , purpose incarnation jesus \? ca n't god repeat miracle done mary make rest us sinless , without need repentance salvation \? yes , mary fully human however , imply subject sin catholic doctrine says man 's nature good \( gen 1 31 \) , damaged original sin \( rom 5 12 16 \) case , original sin , mary fully human rest us ask god cannot repeat miracle mary 's preservation original sin better way phrase would way , misunderstand mary 's salvation obtained like , blessed virgin mary 's salvation obtained merits sacrifice christ cross however , god bound time , creation , god free apply sacrifice anyone time , even person lived christ came earth , time bound perspective therefore , christ 's death resurrection still served necessary purpose , necessary even mary 's salvation steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
uxa cso uiuc edu \( world jason \) subject blues sweep hawks keywords blues , hull , janney , joseph , hawks , belfour organization university illinois urbana lines 27 first congratulate blues victory , think must realized primary reason blues able win curtis joseph gets hot , little opposing team joseph given entire city st louis , otherwise would probably game 6 scheduled game sunday blues caught breaks , without doubt one referee constantly watching blackhawks , looking reasons give penalties second , blues first goal resulted puck hit linesman blackhawks attempted clear linesman , shot brett \( redirect anything \) hull redirect another st goals , belfour tripped behind went make save someone n't belong crease , means st louis player finally , overtime goal caused someone kept belfour getting back crease goalie , way stop shot congratulate st louis beating hawks shame see bryan murray finally advance campbell conference finals joseph wo n't able stop powerful red wing attack world jason mail uiuc edu known throughout world christ , know ai n't easy , rights reserved , enhanced know hard , way things come spinning turn 're gonna crucify
schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject blue led 's nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az distribution sci electronics lines 25 article ecf toronto edu gladman ecf toronto edu \( gladman aviv \) writes 's n't find blue leds , matter , colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light led blue plastic covering n't emit much light sorry charlie dozen , blue led 's bench right clear plastic case lit , absolutely blue hue sort summer day sky blue make mistake , blue buy digikey , circuit specialist , \( think \) , led , stanley , others current price around 2 50 small quantities also selling mail order company near future \( 4 weeks \) write details interested john
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 50 network ucsd edu sdcc13 ucsd edu \( captain \) writes find interesting say 2 5 million queers march washington largest figure 've seen press 1 million know liberal press numbers \) another thing , 1 250 million 2 5 million 6 maybe 's got 2 5 million number also , number cited actual report 1 5 would 3 75 million march washington , wonder much media going inflate numbers time last time , pro abortion rally , doubled actual number people showed stories coming press news really makes one wonder 's watching watchers playing pathetic number games \? number people showing mow hardly constitutes entire queer populace doubt constitutes handful us i'm queer , wo n't , simply n't time transportation hell makes think participants mow minimum number \? face , people , 're everywhere always us think numbers constantly growing , diminishing children grow join us hell , children may grow join us best way deal phenomenon fear blind , realize nothing fear 're perverts , 're dangerous , 're , 're human like er , idiots like cramer kaldis rant like wo n't one iota good drewcifer p still ca n't get fact people actually believe every queer u would show mow , numbers meaningful , come think , us countries \? tree bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
rohvm1 rohmhaas com subject immaculate conception \( immaculate organization rohm haas company lines 3 forgot one thing sinned fallen short glory god mark
batman bmd trw com subject viper car alarms lines 82 article cs uiuc edu , cs uiuc edu \( ronald e garnett \) writes hello auto enthusiasts ! recently car mangled \( broken \) decided get alarm installed 's viper 400 shock sensor , sensors door , ignition cutoff , automatic door locks alarm installed syclone works great shock sensor sensitive , much practical motion sensor car n't trigger car rocked gently wind , kind shock sets even kicking tire sets works great worries hood hatch someone could pry gently enough , could bypass alarm shock sensor adjustable two cycles adjust sensitive enough way could open hood without setting alarm although , know cannot pop hood syclone without setting alarm , yet zero \( none ! \) false alarms system alarm tells disarm whether activated absence able trace every alarm 's cause false alarm i'm also wondering easy would thief crawl underneath car cut battery cable disable alarm guess would possible depending vehicle syclone tight engine compartment would tough supplemental power supplies put viper alarm , n't one really think someone wants car bad , alarm wo n't keep , even supplemental power supply viper also sells fancy field disturbance sensor supposedly detects people car primarily convertibles convertible looked feature detail alpine actually makes better radar unit want get one zones shut independently one side car pedestrian traffic something else would trigger alarm , shuts zone , rather , pulls tighter n't see real benefit unless convertible leave top avoid voice alarm added radar package talks people walk saw one installed lotus esprit kids would taunt seeing close could get get back owner finally disabled , defeats purpose mind i'm interested opinions netters problems viper general real happy viper one feature really like tune preferences arm passively disable arming disarming lock unlock doors alarm armed disarmed like features hate alarm arms , mine flashes lights like door lock feature , although careful take keys n't know left keys car passively arms locks doors , meticulous taking keys , takes care rest car 89 ford probe gt used great shape ! ron garnett looked seriously alpine system real nice system , money motion sensor standard instead shock sensor shock sensor better viper shock sensor better \( 2 cycle \) optional alpine one , imho think viper gives lot good value money n't absolutely system except maybe one james bond lotus eyes anyone know get one installed \? maybe van world trade center , huh \? merrill
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 30 article 93111 byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes robert , keep making references orthodox belief , saying things like held \( cf kermit thread \) exact body theology drawing call orthodox \? holds luke meant said meant \? whenever personal interpretation biblical passages challenged , response seems one needs merely look bible order see truth , see biblical things differently \? simply assume one really understands \? curious , rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet robert refers orthodox , talking historical position christian faith things derived texts centuries fathers faith right people read things differently bible , alright parts like parables forth however , comes essential doctrines historical orthodox beliefs , one correct way read example , either doctrine trinity true , false yes , people read texts differently , one position true cannot according text , doctrine true always existed therefore , people like joseph smith come along vision thinks undo centuries doctrine supported bible , people consider cult
hardy org \( russ hardy \) subject mary idols organization environmental research institute michigan , ann arbor , michigan lines 78 studying bible year love , familiar different denominations , traditions , common beliefs various christian groups heard various people \( outside news group \) describe idols power , money , material possessions etc things worshiped sense suppose , never really gave idols much thought reading postings news group \( found days ago \) , question first , i'm trying question anyone 's belief try push views anyone else \( n't long enough views cannot get heaven good , must understand christ bore sins cross could saved need repent , e realize every time sin , might well stick sharp stick christ 's side took punishment sins , died cross \) studies , mary never really comes know , 's seems statue mary could considered idol \? people pray statues mary \? sounds like educated christians \( educated i'm sure \) believe mary sinless \? wow hoped spend summer convincing \( one way \) tongues \( i'm reading charismatic chaos \) guess 'll study tongues parallel reading news group help give appreciated n't think issue much people educated \( though may well \) , come different tradition discussion catholics protestants catholics generally believe mary sinless protestants issue comes different sources authority protestants generally limit bible source doctrine since n't bible \( except passages one would understand way n't already believe \) , protestants n't accept catholics see continuing revelation church , though believe results consistent bible interpret posting , call yet another argument whether catholic marian idolatry \( argument prepared see \) , sign interested learning traditions catholics course major one , means one generally consider major traditions catholic , orthodox , various subsets protestantism within protestantism , 's matter want cut things days think major division accept biblical inerrancy n't also number major historical traditions , recent decades distinctions tending blur 'd identify major protestant traditions lutheran , reformed , anglican \( 're sort halfway catholic protestant \) , wesleyan , baptist , holiness , pentecostal , church christ number others historical distinctions tend important among liberal churches anymore , think current trends society church also tending make conservatives seen allies general evangelical perspective differences among various traditions still quite marked think best introduction issues read good book church history anyone wants understand church really needs understand got church history normally show traditions came , give feeling nature unfortunately i'm away library moment , n't anything specific recommend clh
raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) subject turkey perfect ! moving lines 27 nntp posting host ucr edu well everybody , reading tons notes serdar , come following conclusion turkey perfect , turk ever made mistake proved least land occupied turkey today , always lived peacefully turks \( including istanbul aka constantinople \) treat minorities like gods done good evil neighbors attacked somehow , despite evil neighbors capable nothing murder population exploded almost 60 million turkey alone \( note , armenian worldwide population approximately 7 million total \) want go heaven earth meet race made serdar possible , , become mecca human rights lovers \( amnesty international must bad sources , turkey would never torture citizens , treat minorities badly , 7 foreign journalists last year alone , incidentally still missing \) , trying say want turk ! ! ! ! back reality astounded ability ignore truth , truly difficult questions , go encyclopedia quotes sources pasted note page ! anybody believed anything said , please step forward let know n't wasting time , somebody convinced volume e mail produce , quality content well go dream perfect place , nirvana , utopia , , turkey ! n w h
mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) subject cults vs religions \? lines 8 media , religion cult relative connotations government terrorist group c wingate peace god , peace , strife closed sod mangoe cs umd edu yet , brothers , pray one thing tove ! mangoe marv'lous peace god
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject mufti \? meanwhile support genocide bosnians nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 24 let remind muslim haters like mention mufti 's cooperation germany reason let muslims slaughtered everywhere world following facts 1 \) blame muslims nazis forgive italy , croats , many europeans real allies hitler \? 2 \) blame muslims supporting germany enemy enemy time \( britain middle east responsible atrocities muslims region \) forgive germany eventhough one created nazism \? 3 \) far muslims concerned difference nazi germany , britain france 1940 racist , anti arab , full arrogance hate wwii wars algeria , sudan , places proved clearly even anti semitism spread germany france britain , happened official policy germany forgive , set countries free arguments wwii behaviour coming people killed millions war \( either side \) plain laughable enough said
beach csulb edu \( jeff \) subject talking soldiers , part ii organization cal state long beach lines 23 article 1993apr20 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes going great describe people inside hostages koresh \( eg , people leaving escaped \) , stating generals place law enforcement appears janet fbi atf egg faces 80 hostages dead two unsuccessful janet , advice go seals delta force green berets next time talk nicely generals might illegal without specific presidential declaration even change law general \( sic \) , u military troops permitted used domestic policing operations btw janet think military police \? jeff net without sig
greg duke com \( greg \) subject tail f widget , oh lord , \? organization systems , inc lines 12 've spent past week tearing hair , trying get output piped tail f end widget 've managed make work ugly ways , either \) x blocks tail wo n't allow user input , b \) tail f functions like tail n't follow expansion file , c \) tail f n't die 've closed pipe widget , \) \( \) blocks forever waiting tail die know code exist anybody \? general \( \) case would point 'll take anything thanks greg \( greg com \) , dammit ! !
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject ide vs scsi , dma detach originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 60 article 1993apr19 julian uwo ca , wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article richk gozer grebyn com richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) writes anyone explain fairly simple terms , get os 2 , might need scsi controler rather ide performance suffer much \? 200mb drive \? n't tape drive cd rom \? help would appreciated , 've got multi tasking , want increase performance increasing amount overlapping one way dma bus mastering either make possible devices move data memory without interrupting cpu alternative cpu move data several scsi interface cards allow dma bus mastering bus mastering isa bus \? ide , however , defined standard interface created ibm pc , requires cpu move data bytes , dma 're talking isa \( \) bus , 1 dma channel active one time , presumably transferring data single device even though least 7 devices scsi bus , explain 7 devices dma transfers single scsi card isa bus time think ! 's scsi card dma transfers disks scsi card dma transfers containing data scsi devices attached wants important feature scsi ability detach device scsi bus devices typically used multi tasking os start transfers several devices device seeking data bus free commands data transfers devices ready transfer data bus send data ide bus start transfer bus busy disk data transfered typically 10 second lock processes wanting bus irrespective transfer time also , i'm still trying track copy ibm 's reference book , pc technical manual \( page 2 93 \) \( fdd \) adapter buffered bus uses system board direct memory access \( dma \) record data transfers expect see something similar pc hdd adapter lowly low density original pc fdd card used dma pc hdd controller n't ! \? ! \? makes real sense guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 19 rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine 's recommending centris 610 anybody says consider centris 650 iivx \( would recommend iivx lciii n't know , 's said \) , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? jay scott scott cs uiuc edu
cc swarthmore edu \( evan \) subject please help ! ! \( wierd problem \) nntp posting host swarthmore edu organization swarthmore college lines 27 somebody help cure poor computer go insane ! problem 486 running windows appears memory related 's actually limited windows , 's causes problems ths machine 's 486dx33 , ram , , trident tvga card , pas 16 1 \) windows runs really , really slow time slower old graphics draws fills slow , boots slow , applications sluggish , dialog boxes take 15 seconds appear \( note non windows applications funny things appear related several run slow , mod player crashes system etc \) 2 \) running borland c 3 0 running windows \( programs \) completely fixes problem windows run fast 've ever seen run , easily 10 times faster graphics n't run bc beforehand 3 \) n't memory manager installed config sys installing emm386 exe fix problem makes worse emm386 installed , running bc fix problem anymore problem driving nuts think help , please reply mail thanks , evan
bs tekig7 pen tek com \( robert l \) subject dos 6 0 organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 21 article 1993apr23 ucsu colorado edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes article mosque cs huji ac il cs huji ac il \( danny \) writes also , dblspace crap writes 40 slower stacker , reads 20 slower , compresses 10 less tests made computer disk , cache , \( big \) files used could n't agree 486 50 n't miss speed 's still faster normal disk read would less compression , koberg recall reading review article pc computing wherein reported reduction loading time lengthy programs using stacker 3 0 due compression algorithm per se , fact fewer required sequential file access anyone actual performance numbers relating speeds stacker dblspace \? bs
hik se \( henrik \) subject opinion poll ! lines 31 organization university net citizens ! desperate try save last course university writing study net , started , people living , however trying explain basics works includes , reader message would grateful could get answers following questions 1 many years known internet existed \? 2 often use net \? \( occasions per month \) 3 \? \( hobby , profession , \) 4 access net \? \( university , profession , friends , private \) 5 net taken roles media played \? \( telephone , newspapers , tv , girlfriend \) 6 newsgroups type information take part \? 7 male female \? 8 age \? time 9 's future visions net \? limits possibilities 10 think hope law censorship change time ahead \? also want apologize taking much bandwidth request spread 60 newsgroups , chosen random , , know , term end closing , panic spreads email address hik se hik se sincere respect may force ! peter henrik
sid hp com \( dan conway \) subject calculating regular polyhedra vertices organization hp scientific instruments division palo alto , ca lines 16 'd interested copy code run across \( mail author bounced \) comp graphics ricky vnet ibm com \( rick turner \) 12 53 may 13 , 1993 fooled around problem years ago , implemented simple method ran pc simple 40 50 lines code somewhere still could dig interest rick dan conway sid hp com
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject sharks jack feirerra \( sharks kingston fired ! ! ! \) organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 87 nntp posting host teal article 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes article appserv eng sun com mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes n't think trading kisio intrinsically mistake however , trading 3rd round pick would worth lot 3rd round pick playoff team fact , would intimate offers sharks got year kisio way greater 3rd round pick hindsight 's 20 20 nobody expected kisio 2nd best career year besides , without kisio , sharks would even earlier season , gund might gotten little serious getting joe murphy , guy definitely would around 3 5 years sharks make playoffs else could done \? offered 2 million murphy , oilers wanted prospect \( \) , sharks declined give , think correct n't mean imply gund 's offer n't enough gund 's offer right , late season 2m offered november lets sather buy replacement murphy season make playoffs year 2m march n't help sather immediate objectives , n't help long term objectives \( prospect draft pick , way sharks \) however , getting back games , kisio traded chicago last year , sharks go 0 october , maybe gund sooner november 's another twist chicago would kisio season never go murphy first place kelly best season \( bigger guys chicago \) gund competition ferriera , sather , keenan look like geniuses broken fax machine , ferriera , keenan , maybe kingston \( maybe even green \) lose jobs kind makes shiver n't \) , every black scenario concoct kisio leaving , concoct equally bright one kisio fiasco cause 's fall , hope n't tried trade kisio , screwed nonetheless , i'm sorry kingston gone , wish gund would follow done exactly caused wish gone \? serious \? let go , fire kingston \( last two basically mean sharks starting terms timetable capture cup 've stated frequently 5 6 expansion teams gm inception cup season \) broadcast home games away games broadcast road pacific mountain time games jack ticket prices 27 38 two years \( i'm going pay 120 bucks 3 seats 'll probably next virtual 107 folks \) tell priority let sell priority order get free jacket , force order tickets next season get select section let park new arena paying privileged parking lot \( sometimes full got \) 2 straight years 've loyal ticket holder , since day 1 \( literally \) spring '90 team announced i'm getting loyalty returned wirtz treats fans far better comparison pocklington cheap tix best owner go edmonton oilers ! go playoffs next year ! stay edmonton ! know one n't suppose make negative comments signatures , us oiler fans deserve stay edmonton part \? 'd never wish kings leave metro la 's much fun watching shark 's beat mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
co uk \( lack mr g \) subject xdm env vars organization internet lines 18 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu article haji haji sun , fwr8bv fin af mil writes using xdm x11r5 ow3 xview3 sun3s sparcs running sunos 4 1 1 prior using xdm , used set path environment variables \( like manpath , helppath , arch , etc \) login file xdm , login file n't get executed therefore neither olwm root window applications know variables try xsession script home things xdm start process using system version \( usually usr lib x11 xdm xsession \) , check whether change \( take copy system one edit \) note , file requires x access set gordon lack contents message may reflect personal opinion intended reflect employer , anyone else
wilkes edu \( martin k \) subject tunnel diodes g spice article organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu anybody idea model tunnel diode spice \? thank martin wilkes edu
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 76 article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case n't idea literature refer explicit statement document \? interpretation statements literature \? imagination nazi armenian propaganda movie script \? case , fascinating piece analysis facts source walker , christopher armenia survival nation new york \( st martin 's press \) , 1980 generally pro armenian work contains following information direct relevance nazi holocaust \) dro \( butcher \) , former dictator x soviet armenia architect genocide 2 5 million muslims , respected nazi armenian leaders , established armenian provisional republic berlin world war ii b \) government' fully endorsed espoused social theories nazis , declared armenians members aryan race ' c \) published anti semitic , racist journal , thereby aligning nazis efforts exterminate jews , \) armenian army 30 , 000 members fought side side wehrmacht fact , 1942 , nazi armenians europe established vast network pro german collaborators , extended two continents thousands armenians serving german army waffen ss russia western europe armenians involved espionage fifth column activities hitler balkans arabian peninsula promised state german agreement signed 'armenian national council ' \( copy agreement found record , ' november 1 , 1945 see document 1 \) side atlantic , nazi armenians aware alliance often expressed pro nazi sentiments america entered war 1941 , jews assembled doom nazi concentration camps , nazi armenians germany formed first armenian battalion fight alongside nazis 1943 , battalion grown eight battalions 30 , 000 strong command dro \( butcher \) , former dictator x soviet armenia architect cold blooded genocide 2 5 million turks kurds 1914 1920 armenian national council formed notorious dashnak party leaders berlin , recognized nazis encouraged , armenians summarily formed provisional government endorsed espoused fully principles nazis declared members aryan super race full participants hitler 's policy extermination jews armenian nazi conspiracy jews wwii encore performance staged armenians wwi , back stabbed exterminated 2 5 million muslims invading russian army serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
galen picea cfnr colostate edu \( galen watts \) subject type ic \? \? \? nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate edu organization colorado concert sound lines 14 article 1993apr26 1 ulkyvx louisville edu ulkyvx louisville edu writes ic need help identifying 8 pin ic following label date code none books list tell us kind circuit \? odd case date code , says 60 reciever subsystem 61 fm subsystem , 16 pin packages info , please ! watts , kf0yj
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 25 article demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes article sol tis com mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) writes 'd really like see thing developed interactive internet talk radio could done ideally , though , general purpose device general purpose enough device nobody able balk widespread use obviously , make easy , use pretty common hardware suggest start ubiquitous sun , get lot momentum going custom hardware n't going go anywhere 's user base n't move even toward masses setting ibm pc clone \( probably needs 386 486 \) sound blaster v 32bis modem components widely available n't know pc enough horsepower encrypt data realtime , sound blaster 4 1 hardware compression work sampling rate 4khz 23 khz doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( john scialdone \) subject pilon bites ! ! ! ! news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 18 isles another defenseman insert line besides pilon \? \? \? , last night 's stupid penalty put isles hole remainder regulation 2 minutes overtime ! ! ! even though isles nearly survived pilon 's blunder regulation , time 5 minute major penalty instead confronting cote came across blueline , pilon backed cote 's nose stick al ca n't serious think pilon guy game line \? \? \? heard scott lachance till later series , must someone else ! ! ! bring back , dave ! ! ! ! lets go islanders john scialdone scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov 've gambling , 10 good solid years jg rh
alee ecs umass edu subject probes plugs oscilloscope function generator lines 15 greetings ! 2 sets plugs oscilloscope function hooks also 2 sets probes x1 x10 also ref switch probes plugs excellent conditions interested , please make offer respond replies wed al
re4 prism gatech edu \( russell earnest \) subject braves giants case study weaknesses summary 's hurt distribution usa organization georgia institute technology lines 14 article pyramid pyramid com , pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com \( paul collacchi \) writes btw , story brian hunter \? dog house \? paul collacchi , brian 's hurt hand think started saturday 's game taken 's far early dog house , although bedrock seen read memory process ! russell earnest georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! allegra , amd , hplabs , seismo , ut ngp ! gatech ! prism ! re4 arpa russell earnest housing gatech edu
cs vu nl \( ml \) subject workgroups windows organization fac wiskunde informatica , vu , amsterdam lines 22 hello , want little network 3 users users want run windows important things want network file sharing , mail utility , two printers one computers fax modem card one computers want use others harddisk idea buy three computers \( one 486dx two 386dx \) three 40mb local harddisk , 486 also large harddisk three also network card 486 connected printers contains fax modem card last least workgroups windows questions possible \? exactly possibilities advantages workgroups windows \? computers fast enough \? behind three , someone working thanks ,
subject disks copy protected sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu \( steve madsen \) nntp posting host nextsrv cas muohio edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 50 kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \( kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \) wrote program definitely , restored machine \( depends programmer n't use disk drive characteristic ! \) user upgrade machine , reinstall programs way document look , disk wear tear ! good idea upgraded motherboard last fall would quite pissed software would forced reinstall simply changed motherboards info bios volatile use checksum going require user install software add 4mb ram computer \? couple weeks ago 's bios , software told n't machine installed would never used software really bad idea say originals would allow one install user 's conscience silly 's much easier loan disks friend let install backup copy already disk , give scheme n't going stop anyone know many bytes need change x wing disable quiz \? two ! yes , two ! \( n't ask ones \) know assembly language \? anyone needs find part code quiz , insert jmp instruction completely skip difficult , really ! little stop type thing using similar utility would help , resulting compressed exe tagged believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables far best idea presented post making plainly obvious registered going stop casual pirates , determined ones going answer joe blow question 's name wo n't stop long run pirates always going win fight simply time work software figure protection scheme steve madsen sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu ask linux , free 386 unix !
doug fc hp com \( doug steele \) subject al stats standings nntp posting host fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 3 forgot mention stats games 4 20 doug
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization university toronto chemistry department lines 16 article 1993apr21 ncsu edu delarocq eos ncsu edu \( derrell emery larocque \) writes tonight boston , buffalo sabres blanked boston bruins 4 0 tonight boston looks like boston hang season , buffalo 's home record awesome ! ! ! ! great buffalo fans might get see revenge last year ! ! ! ! ! \) i'm glad grant fuhr never confident two wins takes four wins defeat opponent tougher obtain previous one buffalo good start fuhr proving fuhr bashers wrong , boston awfully good team gerald
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject 1994 mustang organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx lines 27 article constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) writes article mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) writes disclamer flame anger easily please go petebre elof iit edu \( peterson \) writes next mustang ford 's highest profile car attracts way attention camaro firebird 's heritage embedded general public n't lie believe ford forfeit fyi already oh , really \? bad current mustang ca n't even compete new camaro without using active imagination '93 mustang cobra check think 93 mustang cobra match performance new z28 \? \? interesting belief ! craig \( neither owns , wants gm ford product \) craig
gemini ksu ksu edu \( \) subject question era organization kansas state university lines 51 nntp posting host gemini ksu ksu edu cv hp com \( joe \) writes thomas \( informatik rwth aachen de \) wrote hi , i'm german mlb stuff since almost one year many problems occuring one era statistic pitchers say \? \? era indicates average number earned runs attributed pitcher per nine inning game thus , pitcher pitched 3 innings gave 1 earned run , 9 inning would 3 earned runs , thus era 3 00 compute era simply take number earned runs divided innings pitched multiple result 9 era \( er ip \) 9 think another formula era heard something last year im sure , im gonna give stab allows pitcher pitch 9 innings time benefit , cuz uses outs recorded instead innings pitched era \( er 27 \) outs recorded like said , im sure exactly , im pretty sure changed something sort earned run run given pitcher attributed fielding error specifically , error occurs represented third , runs scored error considered unearned runs earned runs also runs scored result players left base pitcher exited game examples two outs inning men base error occurs represents third , runs error counted earned runs pitcher issues base balls \( walks \) , leaves game inning completed , responsible people left base runners left base score , score result error , runs attributed pitcher left game hope explains things joe
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject hail mary , full grace organization georgia institute technology lines 62 article may 14 02 11 19 1993 athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes article may 9 05 39 52 1993 athos rutgers edu jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) writes referring mary immaculately conceived , never subject original sin , also never committed personal sin whole life possible special degree grace granted god quite problem idea mary never committed sin mary fully human \? possible god miraculously make person free original sin , free committing sin whole life , purpose incarnation jesus \? ca n't god repeat miracle done mary make rest us sinless , without need repentance salvation \? n't particularly object idea assumption , perpetual virginity \( regard catholic dogma agree disagree catholic brothers sisters christ \) , even believe virgin birth jesus , concept mary 's sinlessness seems odds rest christian doctrine understand n't agree joseph 's accurate statement catholic dogma mary 's perpetual sinlessness , interpret luke 1 28 , angel come , said , hail , full grace , lord thee blessed art thou among women luke 1 48 \? , behold , henceforth generations shall call blessed suppose verses might interpreted mean mary possessed limited quantity quality grace , us , seems full grace means says filled , incapable containing people know abundance grace souls existing heaven \( another catholic dogma , based communion saints , explained earlier post \) full grace means sinless , anyone ever sinned life cannot without sin sense mary sinless catholic , find certain dogmas tough embrace 's catholic faith prayer come play pray god strengthen accept faith given bride christ , turn usually strengthens community faith church , probably know , faith christ 's church tantamount faith christ inasmuch church christ 's mystical body catholic nature must two aspects faith christ \( 1 \) personal faith christ personal redeemer \( 2 \) community faith church body christ randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu might want check greek full grace translates single word simply means favored , perhaps literally , full specific translation 're using clh
logica co uk subject wanted rolling demo creator lines 10 wanted produce rolling demonstration x window motif software anybody know public domain software record playback x window events similar \? thanks advance paul logica co uk must protest captain merry man ! ! ! ! worf
eniac seas upenn edu \( george \) subject mac plus constantly rebooting ! organization university pennsylvania , mechanical engineering lines 16 nntp posting host eniac seas upenn edu basically , mac pluses constantly rebooting , reboot button pushed sometimes mac able fully boot well threads going long enough 'll add twist found constant rebooting due added 4mb ram , operating non ac environment adding external cooling fan fixed right \( year ago \) george jefferson george mech seas upenn edu
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject mormon temples lines 20 cheap cs utah edu \( jay \) writes material deleted object idea christianity involve secrets kind mormon scholars provided historical evidence early christian practices parallel mormon temple ceremonies obviously one choose whether subscribe historical interpretation , mormon practice without precedent christianity deletions n't necessarily object secrecy question , since see biblical reason aspect christian worship involve secrecy interested claim early christian practices parallel mormon temple ceremonies could give example \? also , parallel mormon ceremonies \? n't mormon ceremonies restore original christian practices \? n't whole point joseph smith 's stated mission \? mark
scott basis com \( scott \) subject mow bodycount organization basis int'l , albuquerque nm usa lines 19 article iif netcom com onr netcom com \( owen rowley \) writes course last mow thing media ignored us guess labor pains perhaps ignore us , case come even numbers next time local media n't said much , anything , mow also , called straight friend arlington tell would doorstep weekend , n't know anything march gay sympathetic person notices things like thought strange unaware happening made wonder much coverage getting mainstream america scott head like hole , black soul basis international , albuquerque , nm 'd rather die give control scott basis com nine inch nails
cs tamu edu \( jason tobias \) subject 4sale 486 localbus mb w cpu , weitek , video , ide , etc organization computer science department , texas university lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host photon tamu edu keywords sun 3 cad setup sale local bus motherboard use 32mb simms \( 256k 1m 4m \) 9 expansion slots \( 8 16 bit slots , 1 32 bit slot \) weitek co processor socket 33 mhz intel cpu 33 mhz weitek math co processor g local bus et4000 video card based tseng et4000 chip design supports resolutions 1280x1024 interlaced non interlaced uses ramdac allow 32k colors 800x600 , 65k colors 640x480 register level compatible cga , ega , vga , mda software drivers available 1 2 3 , , autocad , , windows , wordperfect , vesa 8514 emulation also contained card local bus ide controller floppy disk controller two fully serial ports 1 parallel port 1 game port used setup run autocad 3d studio combination local bus weitek co processor made fast cad modeling work weitek coprocessor cut 3d studio render times half sometimes also increases redraws modeling 3d studio autocad everything less year old asking 950 00 shipping whole package please respond via email thanks jason tobias photon tamu edu
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject hi volt battery organization u toronto zoology lines 29 article news cso uiuc edu mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( martin johnson \) writes need small battery powered hi voltage capacitive discharge supply deliver 6 250 volts ubiquitous camera flash circuit want , cant get mine apart without breaking charlie brett 's suggestion buy one disposable flash cameras , use film , take thing apart good one note , though , wo n't get particularly precise voltage thing , may single point design wo n't adapt well nominal operation things easy dismantle key piece information advance film one , winding film cassette cassette factory , camera made darkroom needed dismantling 's standard film , take cassette processing camera store people bring one rip apart , toss film cassette processed bin , throw battery one rest camera another take apart , get aa alkaline battery \( still fair bit life \) kinds little bits pieces camera expect could even load use camera really determined svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
ca \( michael norman \) subject powerpc old macs happens \? keywords powerpc , 680x0 macs , obsolete nntp posting host organization bell northern research lines 23 questions would like answers \( opinions \) since i'm thinking buying lc iii q1 \) powerpc based macs announced , happen 680x0 based macs \? q2 \) system 7 680x0 based macs \? ever get real multi tasking mac \? q3 \) way nubus pds equipped macs add powerpc board systems \? 'd hate think i'm going put machine 6 months part dead end product line ! thanks advance , mike norman , c bell northern research p box 3511 station 'c' ottawa ontario canada k1y 4h7 115 internet bnr ca tel \( 613 \) 763 \( fax 613 763 \) la vista , baby ! schwarzenegger
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject sj mercury 's reference reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 18 article may 11 02 37 07 1993 athos rutgers edu , dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes raised oakland san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parents , mason beaten child san jose mercury news come article starting raised oakland mexican parents , mason beaten , face would perhaps connection mexican variant bring true statement n't say anything christians general specifically said strict fundamentalist christians reflects common perception people fundamentalists strict whether perception justified another issue reading distinguishing strict relaxed fundamentalists clh
fnal gov \( \) subject xterm slave mode organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov keywords xterm newgroup long time could somebody tell slave mode xterm \? used \? info get info examples want use bunch xterms send input one application xterms get output xterms please email info thanks ,
chungy2 rebecca rpi edu \( yau felix chung \) subject nntp posting host rebecca rpi edu lines 14 hi anyone know possible causes chances hereditary \? also , cases , general procedure reduce pain area prevents patient eating due excessive pain swallowing even talking \? thanks f
carter ecf toronto edu \( carter edward \) subject good reasons wave organization university toronto , engineering computing facility lines 19 jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done oh yeah , time nice spring summer day , roll window drive around looking bikes bike motors opposite direction , stick arm arm feels like million bucks i'm h thing problem always right hand lane hafta roll window back oh well , think appreciate thought regards , ted university toronto computer engineering '89 i'm taking ride best friend dod
ecn purdue edu \( mike \) subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) organization engineering computer network lines 6 real story \? hook pc svga centris internal video \? need make cable n't come one \? apple released tech note pinouts \? ask seems prices svga lower mac counterparts mike
pazzani pan ics uci edu \( michael pazzani \) subject two internal disks reply pazzani ics uci edu \( michael pazzani \) organization univ calif , irvine , info computer sci dept lines 5 nntp posting host pan ics uci edu 'd like put internal disks mac ii understand ones needs special jumper cable acheive anyone know source \? thanks , mike pazzani \( pazzani ics uci edu \)
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject good jesus died \? organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' 1993apr21 9999 organpipe uug arizona edu netcom com 1993apr22 organpipe uug arizona edu lines 19 article 1993apr22 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes end perfect either never perfect name one person , young old , past present , deem perfect \? krishna 20 \( miller \) self abiding heart creatures beginning , middle , end 32 \( miller \) beginning , middle , end creations , arjuna sciences , science self dispute 41 \( miller \) whatever powerful , lucid , splendid , source fragment \( 42 \) use much knowledge , arjuna \? stand sustaining entire world fragment 32 \( miller \) time grown old provide names perfect people one insufficient
akasacou alfred carleton ca \( alexander \) subject ez scan ii model 35 organization carleton university , ottawa , canada lines 20 recently picked page scanner name ez scan ii model 35 software made per windows 3 x windows work windows one could find company made beast \( copyrights say 1987 \) name gms division anyone know companies still exist , email address \? , anyone knows freeware shareware programme able access scanner thanks advance , please email group scrolls way quickly akasacou alfred ccs carleton ca \( aka \) alexander master 's public administration programme , carleton university opinions expressed mine like anyone else would admit
cm cci632 cci com \( carl mercer \) subject corvette car cover sale keywords 1992 , tan , \( repost \) distribution usa organization northern telecom , inc network application systems lines 11 i'm sure made 'll try 's \( sp \? \) corvette car cover sale cover canvas outside felt inside weather proof great condition i'm asking 95 00 'll pay shipping \( originally 175 00 october 1992 \) carl mercer cm cci com \( 716 \) 359 evening \( 716 \) 654 day
valiant edu au \( robert b harvey \) subject disabling eject mac se organization victoria university technology , melbourne , australia lines 13 i'm trying find program stop macs spitting boot disk told one exists ca n't find anyone know find \? thanks robert harvey duty programmer information technology victoria university valiant edu au
bill solaria \( bill \) subject rgb hvs , back reply bill solaria hac com lines 83 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 remco \( htsa aha nl \) wrote little question need convert rgb coded \( red green blue \) colors hvs coded \( hue value \) colors anyone know formulas use \? lets see right hsv hsl none hls hopefully , hvs transposition hsv , yet another color model following code hsv \( hsl \) coding \( n't tried yet \) \( thanks bultman dgw rws nl \) another possibility mirrors msdos graphics zip wuarchive wustl edu bill bill solaria hac com following code starbase \( hp \) manual \( coordinates 0 1 interval \) hsl rgb \( hue , saturation , luminosity , red , green , blue \) float hue , saturation , luminosity input hsl float red , green , blue output rgb float , lx , ly , lz hue 6 hue hue \( int \) hue lx luminosity \( 1 saturation \) ly luminosity \( 1 saturation \) lz luminosity \( 1 saturation \( 1 \) \) switch \( \( int \) hue \) case 0 case 6 red luminosity green lz blue lx break case 1 red ly green luminosity blue lx break case 2 red lx green luminosity blue lz break case 3 red lx green ly blue luminosity break case 4 red lz green lx blue luminosity break case 5 red luminosity green lx blue ly break rgb hsl \( red , green , blue , hue , saturation , luminosity \) define max \( , b , c \) \( \( b \? b \) c \? \( b \? b \) c \) define min \( , b , c \) \( \( b \? b \) c \? \( b \? b \) c \) float red , green , blue input rgb float hue , saturation , luminosity output hsl float x , , , temporary values hue 0 0 saturation 1 0 luminosity max \( red , green , blue \) x min \( red , green , blue \) \( luminosity ! 0 0 \) calculate necessary saturation \( luminosity x \) luminosity \( saturation ! 0 0 \) calculate necessary \( luminosity red \) \( luminosity x \) \( luminosity green \) \( luminosity x \) \( luminosity blue \) \( luminosity x \) \( red luminosity \) hue \( green x \? 5 1 \) else \( green luminosity \) hue \( blue x \? 1 3 \) else hue \( red x \? 3 5 \) hue 6
gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization university california , berkeley lines 37 nntp posting host sam cchem berkeley edu originator gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu article cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes according wnci 97 9 fm radio morning , dayton , ohio operating gun buy back giving 50 every functional gun turned ran money one day , passing 50 vouchers sort looking funds keep operating another media event brought hci something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works larry cipriani l v cipriani att com ideas 1 \) free library card look fbi uniform crime report shows good hci lying teeth , 2 \) free rtd transit pass allow anti gunners tour south central los angeles convince people living n't need guns protect police \( n't lose pass , 'll need get \) , 3 \) free bus ride vermont , almost gun control , curiously enough , almost crime either , 4 \) free calculator , since anti gunners unable figure small percentage guns owned america used commit violent crime lee gaucher nra opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu one else 's
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject long term human missions organization university illinois urbana lines 46 jgladu bcm tmc edu \( grungy \) writes ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il \( ward paul \) wrote 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) n't think touting contributions good idea world war ii produced many many beneficial spinoffs eg radar , jet , rocket technology n't think anyone would argue world war ii , , good thing want people back space program must good thing disagree tout , although agree space program inherently good thing people today care cost \? 's \? could care less whether something simply worthwhile society become increasingly geared toward short term \( could read ! \) could n't care less next week , much less next century want something show expenditure want think extent case level assume general public ca n't handle truth , based assumption , go arguments someone , understand good argument , comes along asks n't develop spinoffs \? ca n't get spinoffs program , like military \? good arguments space development without relying side effects i'm ignoring value spinoffs simply think general public deserves credit give btw n't forget velcro 're going use spinoffs better make darn sure right teflon around since nasa understand , velcro french doctor went walking woods took trouble wonder stick clothes certainly velcro available hiking equipment early mid sixties would need see good evidence believe either would today without nasa josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
nrp st andrews ac uk \( norman r paterson \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality oxymoron keywords blessed siding salesman organization st andrews university , scotland lines 10 article anarky tch org anarky tch org \( \) writes took someone long figure \? siding \? keep seeing references something railway lines , perhaps \? e mail reply please , 'll never find otherwise norman
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 88 article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes \( deletion \) real large lot \( nice phrase \) people agree football desk , i'm supposed see logical difference two \? perhaps explain difference , since seem see clearly \( rest deleted \) 's fallacy , first time pointed 's fallacy note supermajority disinterested people agree value \( 're ethics yet benedikt \) , difference people agreeing trivial observation \? reference 's yet ethics dubious used terms absolute , objective others moral values , values , , worth , , usefulness infer fulfilled , intermission waste time assuming n't intend , reasonable conclude want argue point made interesting statement , namely disinterested observer thing morals probably shortest proof objective morality contradiction one , never given set morals people agree upon unlike football , conveniently ignore many would agree morality something analogy hold , however , given example value people agree , explained people agree freedom valuable also stated value necessary condition objective ethics assertion i'm talking , n't point talking ethics ca n't agreed fine freedom valuable generally agreed upon could name quite lot people state opposite \( n't mentioned \) words , nothing fulfill strong claims one expect sufficiently many people agree football , give evidence vanishing number disagrees set morals give i'm morals \( ethics \) ca n't get past values say , cogent objection 'freedom' example maybe people n't talking thing answer valuable maybe , want think , especially implications true clutching straw n't believe mappings metaphysical sets loaded terms deny morality freedom make quite clear say , practice telling yes , even willingly quite common religions , way one , religion named submission n't even try argue submission freedom , evidence , proof proof would evolve testing theory absolute morals competing theories garbage 's proof either , would argue case afraid considered proof one arguments reiterate never answer objections evidence preacher name fallacy something universally valued moral context benedikt
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject octopus detroit \? organization clarkson university lines 24 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 valerie hammerl \( hammerl acsu buffalo edu \) wrote article 1993apr17 news clarkson edu farenebt logic camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) writes fact , tradition passed affiliate adirondack gm 6 last yr 's finals , 8 legged creature hurled onto frozen pond landed right feet ref lance roberts may passed toronto , 've even seen octopus aud last year 's bruins sabres game knew detroit version , seeing aud bit puzzling \) n't think 's puzzling bit 's called \( , i'm bitter \) bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
bach udel edu \( paul joseph sparks j \) subject jack morris nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware lines 30 father huge tiger fan , loyal blue jay fan , endured collapse 87 , 85 n't stat book , let 's throw first , morris \( 81 88 \) vs clemens \( 86 present \) many cy morris \? many cy clemens \? fenway average pitchers park detroit , hugh hitters paradise morris great team pitcher , sort doug mold morris 's team needs well pitched game , minn 91 , morris snaps ball , throw ks otherwise , tries get people clemens , elias stat book 1992 , believe clemens best lifetime record team , compared n't pitch bad would red sox last year without \? say 92 phillies \? believe clemens better pitcher power , hsi great morris among pitchers ever seen , clemens class seaver , carlton , etc paul sparks
sdcc3 ucsd edu \( dennis lou \) subject cpu temperature vs cpu activity \? organization university california , san diego lines 40 nntp posting host sdcc3 ucsd edu article austin ibm com guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) writes article 1993apr21 11363 ucc su oz au , montuno physics su oz au \( lino montuno \) writes may naive question basis claim cpu get hotter computationally intensive job running \? friend claims little difference temperature idle cpu cpu running computationally intensive job first depends idle cpu ! i'm sure dos , many multitasking oss loop like loop anything \? yes goto loop goto loop cpu work still processing instructions 've done asic digital design , cpu design would seem 486 , fpu used , cache accessed , chip buffers drivers idle , multiplier n't , barrel shifters n't shifting , microcode n't , etc means transistors n't switching means less power \( cmos \) , means less heat understand , pentium shuts sections cpu n't used order cut heat power dennis lou , everyone thought way \? ucsd edu 'd crazy think way ! backbone ! ucsd ! ucsd bitnet steve jobs steve went high school
kirk fmi uni passau de \( thomas \) subject fooling check existance keyboard resistor \? organization universitaet passau , germany lines 19 nntp posting host bones fmi uni passau de hi , following problem use computer special purposes n't monitor keyboard connected monitor n't program keyboard ca n't disable keyboard bios setup \( fact , setup \) spoke someone said fooled bios simply using self made connector connects two pins via resistor pity , pity lost contact person getting detail anyone experts help \? thanks hints , even vague ones \) thomas thomas , erich , robert engel , kirk fmi uni passau de , , franz , , franz 1 88 , , else , , w passau , germany ich ! !
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject legality placebos \? nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 18 article netcom com jfh netcom com \( jack hamilton \) writes actually , n't know know anyone actually gotten sugar pill 's common prescribe drug effective something , antibiotics viral infections common placebo presumably matter degree must common prescribe drug chance giving benefit , high probability , large benefit right \? michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper considered harmful organization dsi uscrpac lines 16 article 1993apr25 microsoft com microsoft com \( gideon yuval \) writes personal attacks stopped prof denning replying issues substance , cause real harm serious debate david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject diamond products boycot \? originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 39 article 1993apr23 sol ctr columbia edu , penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) writes fri , 23 apr 1993 07 01 17 gmt markfried fellensiek \( ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \) wrote 're considering buying system , view using run unix \( linux , bsd , etc \) special software , good chance work diamond cards due diamond 's propriety attitude 's hardware 's impossible get free information chips \( specifically dot clocks \) without paying , signing non disclosure agreements made impossible free software foundation provide x windows compatibility cards , diamond n't want divulge programming n't think two main free x systems \( xfree86 \) part fsf considering , postings diamond 's bad attitute customers , ordered vlb 2m card days anyone know e mail address diamond penio could forward purchase information \? penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject gateway 2000 booting fr distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 28 04 20 93 21 56 , tim king unmitigated gall say tk accidentally discovered floppy one particular tk box drive boot , rather getting tk non system diskette message , machine hangs cmos tk gets overwritten \( luckily , gateway sends print standard wild thought , small boot program every formatted diskette , whether contains system files small program prints non system disk error , dos program tries transfer control bios location nonstandard gateway , could clear bios n't think bios overwritten , usually small routine clear cmos area , case invalid configuration prevents machine booting think boot code fuji disks may inadvertantly call routine thought n't hit , mr moderator 'll go back topic swear ! blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
informatik rwth aachen de \( ralf g r \) subject unix dos talking qic 150 tapes organization informatik rwth aachen lines 21 nntp posting host informatik rwth aachen de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset us ascii content transfer encoding 7bit quest uucp \( kevin \) writes system scsi drive want get qic 150 tape unit attach , run software read \( maybe even write \) unix tar tapes \( least read stream dump file 'll take \) impossible \? n't \) use tar un x box zip dos box needs aspi driver ralf ralf g r , aachen university technology ee \( comp eng \) student snail h str 42 , , fed rep germany phone \( 49 \) 22 61 2 19 68 \( mach \) note new zip \( \) july 1st email pool informatik rwth aachen de
inde7wv rosie uh edu subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization university houston lines 11 reply inde7wv rosie uh edu nntp posting host rosie uh edu year half ago first started riding , took msf course taken lessons heart past year near collisions traffic morons four wheels yesterday got add another list one felt helpless sitting light 1 2 car lengths behind car , wise suddenly hear screeching tires dart eyes mirrors realize 's flying right behind , panic pop clutch stall bike luckily guy stops foot behind rear wheel understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \?
mmeyer m2 dseg ti com \( mark meyer \) subject krillean photography organization ti dseg , spring creek , plano , tx reply gpivar maestro mitre org 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 12 04 17 gmt 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org lines 16 article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar maestro mitre org \( greg \) writes flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg , flame intended , discernible sense humor bill wrote intended funny 's called joke , greg look besides , kirilian photography actually photography friend 's two year old son perhaps meant kirlian \? mark meyer mmeyer dseg ti com texas instruments , inc , plano tx every day , jerry grateful n't speak ti triggered primary defense mechanism blast ! affirmative
piatt gdc com \( gary piatt \) subject new study gay percentage organization general datacomm ind inc , middlebury , ct lines 19 nntp posting host x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 clayton cramer wrote lawrence c foard writes median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well implying , , homosexual men promiscuous heterosexual men interesting , especially wake news report last week group high school seniors \( heterosexual , might add \) boasted monthly 67 girls seems promiscuity limited homosexuals sad fact life matter look whether homosexual promiscuity , racial discrimination , sexual harassment find whether actually exists 're looking garison
bitnet subject new religion forming sign distribution world , rpi , alt organization north dakota higher education computer network lines 3 give 's new yet another interpretation adam eve story \? michael
techie cellar org \( william bacon \) subject scientists believe green house effect organization cellar bbs public access system lines 93 following statement released february 27 , 1992 science environmental policy project independent scientists researching atmosphere climate problems , concerned agenda , united nations conference environment development , developed environmental activists groups certain political leaders called earth summit scheduled brazil june 1992 aims impose system global regulations , including taxes energy fuels , population united states industrialized nations policy initiatives derive highly scientific theories based unsupported assumption catastrophic global warming follows burning fuels requires immediate action agree survey u atmospheric scientists , conducted summer 1991 , confirms cause slight warming observed past century recently published research paper even suggests sunspot \( directly proportional solar activity \) , rather rise greenhouse gases responsible global temperature increases decreases since , majority scientific participants survey agreed theoretical climate climate models used predict future warming cannot relied upon validated existing climate record yet predictions based theoretical models finally , generally agree increase carbon dioxide levels fossil fuels burning beneficial effects crops world food supply disturbed activists , anxious stop energy economic growth , pushing ahead drastic policies without taking notice recent changes underlying science fear rush impose global regulations catastrophic impacts world economy , jobs , standards living , health care , severe consequences falling developing countries poor david b , phd , senior , woods hole oceanographic institute nathaniel b , phd , research physical scientist , national climatic data center hugh b , phd , meteorologist , livermore national laboratory richard , phd , center meteorology physical , massachusetts institute technology robert c , phd , director , laboratory , arizona state university patrick , phd , assoc professor environmental sciences , virginia roger , phd , professor atmospheric science , colorado state university micheal , phd , professor meteorology , university virginia sherwood p , phd , research physicist , u water conservation laboratory lev phd , visiting scientist , national center atmospheric research john , chief , forecast research group , forecast systems laboratory , noaa h jean , phd , research scientist , national center , national weather service , noaa kenneth v beard , phd , professor atmospheric physics , university illinois paul w mielke , jr phd , professor , department statistics , colorado state university thomas , meteorological standards institute peter f , , weather service director , , former regional director , national weather service gabriel , phd , eminent professor , old dominion university roy , executive weather director , weather data services terrance j clark , meteorologist , u air force neil l frank , phd , meteorologist , national weather service bruce boe , phd , director , north dakota atmospheric resource board andrew detweiler , phd , assoc professor , institute atmospheric sciences , south dakota school mines technology robert cunningham , consulting meteorologist , fellow , american meteorological society stephen r , phd , sigma research corporation , elliot abrams , , senior vice president , , inc william e , phd , consulting meteorologist , professor emeritus , forest meteorology , yale university david w , research meteorologist jerry williams , meteorologist , president , ocean routes , inc lee w , meteorologist , geophysics division , pacific missile test center werner , phd , former dean , college arts sciences , florida state university david p , phd , assoc professor research oceanography , scripps institution brian , phd , asst professor meteorology , university edward , shapiro , chief meteorological research wave propagation laboratory , noaa , jr , associate professor meteorology , plymouth state college james moore , project manager , research applications program , national center atmospheric research daniel j , engineering brian , meteorologist , fellow , american meteorologist , fellow , american meteorological society h read , phd , meteorologist robert e , meteorologist william porch , phd , atmospheric physicist , los alamos national laboratory earle r williams , phd , associate meteorology , dept earth , atmospheric , planetary sciences , massachusetts institute technology fred singer , phd , atmospheric , university virginia , director , science environmental policy project \( listed identification purposes \) techie cellar org \( william bacon \) cellar bbs \( 215 \) 539 3043
battin cyclops iucf indiana edu \( laurence gene battin \) subject message mr president know happened \? nntp posting host cyclops iucf indiana edu organization indiana university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 45 article utarlg uta edu , stephen \( b645zaw utarlg uta edu \) wrote article 1993apr21 ccsvax sfasu edu , f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes article 1993apr21 1 ccsua ctstateu edu , ccsua ctstateu edu writes told friends mine two weeks ago koresh dead fbi batf could let man like live testimonial stupidity lies deleted unfortunately , think 've got figured pretty well also ask question plan many months important \? government really \? seal warrant \? koresh first second amendments , among others \? allow play devils advocate moment jg called many months planning probably intelligence collecting paperwork interviews 's important justifies budgets warrant sealed keep government 's case probably one actually exercising instead , system bureaucratic rules set incidents like computer programs periodically especially used fringe areas \( cf hostage rescue program \) therefore one charge one reasonably held responsible baloney either programmer people decided let actions governed program clearly fault neglect maintenance car , steering goes , responsible death kids sidewalk car subsequently drives gene battin battin cyclops iucf indiana edu sig yet
ukc ac uk \( tony curtis \) subject christian morality organization computing laboratory , ukc lines 41 nntp posting host pine ukc ac uk acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) said dan schaertel 's article followed quoting right much anything else learn choose believe \? could argue george washington myth never lived n't proof except told however major events life jesus christ hundreds years neat trick uh \? \? nothing disgusting christian attempts manipulate interpret old testament filled signs coming christ every little reference stick bit wood interpreted cross miscarriage philology think may also worthwhile pointing take seriously jesus full grasp contemporary 42 jesus saith unto , ye never read scriptures 29 jesus answered said unto , ye err , knowing 29 scriptures , power god following , would wonderful position fulfil prophesies , nt says much mat26 54 shall scriptures fulfilled , mat26 54 thus must \? mat26 56 done , scriptures mat26 56 prophets might fulfilled disciples mat26 56 forsook , fled books comprising referred accessible probably would different matter tony
tervio katk helsinki fi \( marko j \) subject switzerland organization university helsinki , computing centre lines 19 article 1993apr23 690 vms huji ac il vms huji ac il writes anybody know wc qualification olympic games '94 teams already qualified daniel top 11 teams tournament play olympics next year last team tournament , top two pool b \( great britain poland \) winner pool c \( latvia \) play last olympic spot next fall however , next year 's hosts norway finish 12th \( would surprise \) , 's 11th team pool play qualification tournament marko tervio
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject labour 's enclaves policy important nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 11 05 21 00 1993 lines 247 center policy research cpr subject labour 's enclaves policy important labour 's enclaves policy occupied territories israel shahak publ middle east international , london , 30 4 93 difficult discover israel 's policy towards palestinians given time easily inferred facts ground information provided hebrew press one condition , though claptrap peace process must totally ignored , must israel 's official pronouncements , whole sole purpose distort reality concentrating facts , early apparent labour 's policies different shamir greater reliance deceit effective implementation likud 's policies accurately described ariel sharon article , accompanied map , last august sharon plan division west bank seven , gaza strip four , autonomous palestinian enclaves , israeli supervision total area enclaves amounted 15 per cent territories rest controlled israeli settlements highways built around enclaves entire area around jerusalem , outskirts ramallah boundaries bethlehem , already turned greater jerusalem arab inhabited localities amount small enclaves surrounded areas occupied israeli settlements reserved judging labour 's settlement policy , may assumed may content lesser number arab enclaves rather larger size sharon planned principle surrounding enclaves settlements dispersed along highways remains unchanged labour plans four enclaves west bank two samaria two judea \( e north south jerusalem respectively \) , two gaza strip regard greater jerusalem , labour 's policies hardly deviate sharon 's version likud policy israeli correspondents realised , labour policies version sharon 's last july , gideon wrote , barely months ago labour supported demand freeze construction beyond green line , specific decision freeze construction territories taken uzi wrote ha'aretz far judged basis internal political discussions jerusalem , rabin intends stick likud 's ways two biggest enclaves labour located samaria therefore belt settlements around trans samaria highway , designed separate enclaves , paramount importance according latest data , percentage israeli settlers entire west bank population \( apart east jerusalem \) mere 5 5 per cent area around trans samaria highway , corresponding figure almost 20 per cent , increasing steadily situation settlements block south jerusalem , designed sever enclave around bethlehem one around hebron , pretty much block connected west jerusalem highway project costly extreme , highway designed bypass bethlehem sequence long tunnels final decision build highway suspended rabin 's return us visit march subsequent decision renew construction seen us approval enclaves plan whole process enclaves plan implies deliberate steady palestinians well known israel ignored abroad concerned , including plo regard gaza strip , whole process best described ze'ev shiff ha'aretz march mentions seen pamphlet issued six years ago civil administration conditions gaza strip israeli rule 2000 analysis deserves quoted extensively continue steal strip 's water , even though quality year year continue steal strip 's tiny land resources , order found settlements , deliberately want make inhabitants despair , despair think nothing lose strip 's workers must spend travelling almost much time spend working military point view , kept control half strip 's area increasingly price manpower resources year moshe arens left defence ministry , heard saying withdraw strip come may argument israel sinks strip ever deeper deeper told proposed yitzhak shamir rejected yitzhak rabin rejects enormous state support qatif block settlers also cited proof enclaves plan implemented qatif block settlements , founded first rabin government 1974 77 , intended divide gaza strip two separate enclaves davar data showing vital israeli enterprise qatif block producing 40 per cent israeli tomatoes destined export , substantial proportion cut flowers also deals subsidies settlers receive , considerably augmented present government , housing units cheap present government spare efforts recruit new settlers block prospective settler get 95 per cent mortgage house top grant 18 , 000 shekels \( 6 , 500 \) data shows israel 's plans apply whether palestinians gaza strip allowed forbidden work israel economic motivations explained danny ha'aretz march economic viewpoint gaza could already sealed strip 's workers could barred entering israel even though accurate data hard come , indisputable last two years gazan workers arriving daily work israel markedly decreased , 80 , 000 40 , 000 today decrease due restrictions imposed entering israel gaza also due drastic demand gazan labour israel unemployment israel soaring construction apartments blocks virtually halted , workers gaza longer really needed gaza 's total dependence entire economy gaza strip totally dependent israel recent years gaza strip increase sub contracted work israeli factories , mostly thousands small workshops , employing average four workers , get raw materials unfinished products , together detailed working instructions , israeli factories attributes development fact average wage gaza strip merely 40 per cent west bank , turn stands half average wage israel besides gazan employer pay social security employees average wage gaza strip fifth israel , profits israeli factories even palestinian sub contractors must vast higher still gazan sub contractor provides labour performed home , family 's help livelihood tens thousands gazans depends sub contracted work many women children , paid ten shekels \( 3 50 \) day last 12 hours doubt profits exploiting cheap gazan labour one reasons stubborn opposition rabin israeli ministers withdrawal strip economic conditions gaza strip differ little created straight israel 's conquest 1967 respect , one deluded talk , nowadays fashionable , israeli gestures intended encourage economic development territories , israeli journalists point , permits opening new businesses depend prior approval shin bet behind professed goodwill desire solve problems , attitude good , willing something benefit natives , condition behave nicely , become rebellious , never anything interests , economic interests included , wrote michal davar february development sub contracted work gaza strip accords perfectly 's diagnosis also shows exactly economic controls work branches economy , set motion purposes freeing israeli production threat palestinian competition method simplicity soon israeli producer succeeds persuading government , even trade industry minister alone , military order issued prohibiting export given produce israel suffice , palestinian factory may denied licence operate bureaucratic obstacles may production among active agricultural one succeeded limiting exports gazan vegetables \( except grown settlers \) israel also europe , otherwise might compete israeli exports apartheid labour 's goal perpetuate apartheid regime territories goal shared us , otherwise could support labour government firmly view one reasons us feels happier supporting labour likud greater efficiency pursuing settlement drive point brought home ma'ariv , failure attributed likud 's showed peak yearly settlement growth occured term office national unity government \( e 1984 90 \) rabin served throughout defence minister likud 's reputation settling territories better labour false , attributable many tiny settlements without strategic value founded shamir symbolic reasons sum labour 's policy , unconditionally supported us differs likud primarily efficiency implemented according policy territories divided two parts major part ruled israel directly , minor part indirectly view , racist scheme doomed ultimately fail , horrifying price human suffering sooner true nature recognised , less suffering may cause
narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) subject synagogues , mosques , double standards reply narain uiuc edu organization university illinois urbana lines 27 mark ira kaufman writes perfect example outcry temporary removal 400 men advocated murdering jews destroying state israel , compared deafening silence abusive treatment jews arab countries past 50 years never mind fact people denied right fair trial israel supposed uphold western values , eh \? doubt non jewish world even capable compassion towards jews anti semitism ancient basic christianity islam check facts bashing islam may muslim anti semites , way tenet religion saying anti semitism basic islam entire muslim world , based selective sampling people , flies face islam teaches peace nizam arain makes universe \( 217 \) 384 4671 hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu nothing nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compare
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center uicvm uic edu subject chromium weight loss lines 18 data show chromium effective promoting weight loss studies done using chromium flawed biased \( investigators making money marketing \) theoretically really doesnt make sense either claim chromium increase muscle mass decrease fat course , chromium also used cure diabetes , high blood pressure increase muscle mass athletes \( well steroids \) sounds like snake oil 1990 's \) hand , really cant hurt anywhere wallet , place bo effects anything pretty dramatic paul paul , u illinois college pharmacy email uicvm uic edu
casper fwi uva nl \( casper h dik \) subject imake rules problem solaris 2 organization fwi , university amsterdam lines 29 nntp posting host adam fwi uva nl keywords imake make solaris2 infores com \( david levine \) writes hey folks , i'm attempting use imake manage makefiles development effort curious find anybody else experiencing problems target subdirs generated imake solaris 2 platforms example , 'make chokes first subdirectory e target found n't give precise error message , assume making target fails , make ca n't find rules 've seen happen sunos 5 x make well point i'm sure happens seems happen large makefiles entries near end get lost small changes makefile remedy problem , example mit r5 distribution r5 sunos5 patch happen target one doc directories first thought bug make sun , built used results attached 'll find first makefiles target rule generated makefile really weird really sure using gnu make \? casper
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject questions installing pas16 dx2 66v reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 10 thu , 22 apr 93 20 02 00 gmt john ngai \( ngai nova bellcore com \) wrote went bought pas16 yesterday , installed gateway dx2 66v followed instructions set sb side dma 1 irq5 pas16 \? articles \( reviews \) describing \? penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
mizzou1 bitnet auvm american edu \( elizabeth stevens \) subject easy way reply free catholic mailing list catholic american edu organization university missouri columbia campus computing , 314 882 2000 lines 59 easy vs hard easy \? rare personal talk mother last year said father raising four children , try raise us world strictly raised norwegian lutheran community felt would alienated would create problems words , parent tolerant , loving thing raised us without conflict , without saw unreasonable demands always accepting , matter circumstances happened grew believing situation ethics never absolutes believed loving god , concept god never involved justice punishment , concept may someday held responsible things offended sins world told ok parents good , honest moral people raised four extremely honest children yet , coming complete knowledge god \( includes knowledge justice punishment \) committed believe many , many grave sins lived partner outside marriage , married divorced \( physical abuse apparent hope change n't married person first place \) parents felt loving , kind thing allowing us , imposing standards us , accepting unquestioningly everything without judgement counsel today , absolutely appalling look back accept without word takes dare help souls must speak say unpopular difficult people want hear must able say hard , say christ would , love compassion involves risk perhaps someone love may want hear stay away life dust long comfort life highest priority , fail god fail come contact wonder many engage sex outside marriage , support right abortion , engage homosexuality , commit range sins plentiful time ever heard quiet , thoughtful , loving friend things wrong one ever told wrong , saw multitudes around living way seemed like good , decent people \( would n't kick dogs beat elderly babies \) difficult sinners without genuine prayer life hear holy spirit hear loving friend think next time holy spirit tells friend error , n't want cause trouble righteous prayers great power , n't forget christ 's lips hands earth n't afraid simply voice truth situation calls say prayer ask holy spirit love guidance ways may realize , brother 's keeper jesus mary , elizabeth
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject atheists hell lines 74 article may 2 09 50 29 1993 geneva rutgers edu , trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) writes article apr 20 03 01 40 1993 geneva rutgers edu trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) writes besides , would rather spend eternity hell beside god heaven knowing even one man would spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings display 've fear god punishment point play poker monopoly money bet anything want sha n't go heaven would sense humanity compassion fellow man exactly christianity missionary nature , need irritate 8 \) god one , neither evidence god strictly love people wrote bible bible written , evidence love , cultural bias poor answer need n't rebut pull old bait switch think use bible judge man , god mean , moral intuition n't like described bible , realize things going avoid semantic arguments cause evil ask fight \? specifically , everyone , including n't like genocide bible , genocide goes right \? move beyond question hell , realize many people right suffering think hell n't fair willing sacrifice everything deny existence , life n't fair \? right young mother three little kids n't know get day right sixth right old man friends money fix tv instead n't god help ask n't help think correct challenge christian n't live life compassion seem possess want evidence god find someone making difference , someone admire , someone tough times come head ask person ask vietnam vet battle kept mind ask woman pregnant 15 , kept baby successful business woman ask doctor operated 1 1 2 pound baby wo n't christians , even might call religious , something common god defined bible , god defined people 's hearts n't matter ca n't give intellectual assent description 've heard , 're wrong anyway compassion already feel heart step right direction follow instead come back read bible 'll see thing described nothing else makes sense , hang idea , god love would say something similar , reverse order love god good , guess work grammar 8 \) chris mussack
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject consciousness part ii kev strikes back ! organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 207 kevin anthoney \( kax cs nott ac uk \) wrote \( reply \) diplomatic \) society constantly verge flaming , usenet , diplomacy best way ensure voice reason gets , n't \? realize i'm fighting occam 's razor argument , 'll try explain feel mind necessary kevin , unfortunately delving field know little , algorithms reasoning , see , much along lines roger , claimed mathematical cannot algorithmic book emperor 's new mind concerning computers , minds , laws physics however , 's claim mathematical insight , similar claim collapse consciously take look , could illusions taking different viewpoints try ponder problem consciousness evolutionary perspective , might anything special , certainly useful thinking back wrote , think worms minds \? able experience pain , least behave like yet conceivable might day future perform total synthesis c elements would worm mind \? firstly , i'm impressed ability algorithms 're great solving problems method worked , working method true extent however , think brains work like computers , fact , substantial evidence \( , 1985 freeman 1987 \) brains work less , generating enough randomness mental states evolve brains work much like genetic algorithm generators , suppose trick still form discovered mean ideas ever already pre programmed brains \? somewhat unlikely , given brains ultimately encoded 46 worth genetic material , much n't used indeed , extremely unlikely , given vast impact mind brain suggest , however , trying understand consciousness collection algorithms kevin , take look references mentioned , think still think best experts nature conscious mind neurologists , biologists \( flame opinions \) , since study beings conscious reason repeating advice discussion cannot lead anywhere backgrounds different please , bring qm discussion physicists happy claim consciousness plays special role physics would say n't problem algorithms instability many algorithms survive take large portion code , yet people survive strokes without going completely haywire \( side effects , patients still seem remarkably stable \) also , neurons perfectly healthy people dying alarming rate algorithm survive randomly corrupt various bits 's code \? , brains computers n't forget mean need something else work work differently primary perception guidance action , self awareness high intelligence later appearances next problem sticky question colour \? \( replace sensation choice \) presumably , viewpoint 's product kind chemical reaction usual products reaction energy different chemicals colour mixture \? still expecting could find idea brains somewhere , perhaps form chemical see sensation certain time dependent pattern area v4 visual cortex , distributed help areas v1 v2 rest brain indeed , firing pattern sometimes thought consciousness global free induction pattern local firing patterns , idle speculation scientific american 's september 1992 issue special issue mind brain already read cover cover \? \) two articles visual perception , might interested , please note subjective experiences cannot observed third person perspective see nothing activity , cannot go conclude mind \( 1988 \) writes numerous examples electric stimulation different areas brain led various changes state mind instance , patient whose area stimulated \( without knowledge \) remote control psychiatric interview quickly cured depression , started discussing plan seduce girlfriend temporal lobe sometimes led embarrassing situations , patients started therapist conclusion , evidence 1 \) brains essentially necessary subjective experiences , brain damage usually equivalent sort mind damage 2 \) conscious processes involve substantial brain activity various areas brain think colours , visual cortex activated etc 3 \) consciousness become conscious actions half second delay , brains ahead least 350 ms thus , think turn question see colours around ask seems observing \? , since seems conscious mind king brains , computer wo n't see colour , chemistry different algorithm sees colour selective advantage equivalent n't \? n't , outputs algorithm ought equivalent circumstances see colour \? depends meant neural network capable handwritten numbers 0 9 see numbers , capable sorting \? asking , animal conscious observer evolutionary advantage animal n't , good answer read previous posting , wrote sense identity helps social animals swap roles act morally , n't kill newly discovered weapons \( bit extreme , basic idea \) early homo became efficient using tools , sense identity concept evolve line development indeed , respect others conscious behaviour might evolutionary advantages social animals , early humans remember correctly , quantum mechanics consists wavefunction , two processes acting first process called \( \) , governed 's equation well known second process , called various things 'state vector \( 'r' \) , mysterious usually said occur takes place , although nobody seems know precisely occurs occur , effect r abruptly change wavefunction minds required , mean human minds came scene , never collapsed , remained \? , powerful discussed , think topic irrelevant , since agree minds necessary , neither physicists anyway , i'm speculating minds would part x seems link consciousness r , never see linear anything , although alternative explainations 've idea brain supposed access part x , since speculation , wo n't matter much \) main point might place minds physics agree , sense apparently mean physics needs sharp minds solve many real problems \) 'll go back nice padded cell , 's ok \) 's ok , n't forget take references wrote previous posting , plus following , james w \( 1988 \) biological psychology 3rd ed , publishing company , belmont , ca 1988 , c \( 1985 \) explaining behavior bringing brain back inquiry 29 187 202 , c freeman , w \( 1987 \) brains make chaos order make sense world behavioral brain sciences 10 161 173 petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! 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frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 111 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 1993apr20 20756 abo fi mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) writes horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp writes article 1993apr20 abo fi mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) writes ah , old , claim moral objectivism scientific objectivism n't agree try proving , objective moral test , disagreeing incorrect \) claim , deleted universal objective 've deleted , interest brevity go back step 'll see still post yes , claim refute , please firstly , apology n't deleted claim , mistaken saying sorry offence caused secondly , refute definition \? point logical implications , say seem contradict usage word objective areas indeed , definition , objective x oxymoron , x quibble belief , useless , objective perfectly good word , objective \? age universe , anyway , show many ages universe , still internally self consistent \? 'd amazed one many different moral systems different members society indeed , single individuals , cases humanity still stick together \? begging question people many opinions age universe humanity still stick together saying universe real age , independent beliefs \? age universe , like scientific facts , verified means 'll give result matter performs testing \( albeit error bars may side \) assumes universe real age , kind reality n't depend think extreme biblical creationist give rat 's ass means speak \? 've heard way verify morality consistent way , much less compute errors measurement care enlighten \? true pain , exist , predicted work accuracy better random guess wrote elsewhere morality hypotheses observed value moral system makes prediction better , tested , falsifiable way prediction drug relieve pain people 's ideas age object x objective idea like , ca n't stop ages another ballgame , dislike detail , 's problem opinion sure assume objective reality , get statements like claim morality opinion , subjective individual i'm wrong , less objectively real thing exists , label objective morality back positive claim existence \? back positive claim \? 's 's assumption make assumption values , basis logical difference two , empirical basis two precisely point morals , essence , personal opinions usually \( ideally \) well founded , motivated , nonetheless personal fact real large lot people agree moral question , sometimes even reason , make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions moral question , good evolution social species real large lot \( nice phrase \) people agree football desk , i'm supposed see logical difference two \? perhaps explain difference , since seem see clearly take look desk e , perform test \( football \) \( accept theory \) else \( tell people 're \) take look morality see anything \? , please inform way look , look particular way , opposed get drift \? look claiming never know good means \? science whole matter altogether says prove disagree wrong \? 's simple \( \? \) matter proving track record scientific method think 's great , applied values may completely wrong , 's conclude result quite amount thought frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
jek cu nih gov subject relevant subject lines lines 15 recent post bears subject line serbian genocide work god \? text contains 80 lines devoted defence doctrine predestination applied salvation individuals five line post script balkans natural easy keep subject line post one replying , focus shifts , keeping subject cause confusion intended general request post mentioned example , james kiefer
kin chan cmu edu subject floptical drives anyone \? \? organization freshman , math computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 13 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu curious floptical drives never seemed catch remember 21 mb disks look feel like 3 5 floppies \? drives scsi devices read write 720 kb 1 44 21 mb disks sounds one great product pc market prices really compared cd roms currently \? know new cds expect sony develop first mds computer question n't substantial interest developing flopticals \? thought kin chan cmu edu
com \( rich braun \) subject 2 printers pc lan \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? keywords 2 printers nntp posting host europa com organization jupiter technology inc waltham , lines 16 mac1 isis msstate edu \( mubashir cheema \) writes trying establish network \( lan \) could use 2 different printers panasonic printing receipts okidata letters etc possible world \? fundamental aspect novell 's business would n't n't live novell printing slogan run 6 printers varying types novell network i'm sure places hundreds rtfm capture command , , , sections windows 3 1 manual cover network printing n't bought novell 's products yet , rephrase question look information well various competitors printing rich
jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips organization open communications forum lines 4 security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning jhart agora rain com
claebaur shell portal com \( tony annese \) subject need iconized printer utility nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 18 article tsoft net tedm tsoft net \( ted matsumura \) writes article 520 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com \( tony annese \) writes one minimize print manager drag file print need associate file extensions things notepad though may work , wo n't involve invoking applications , e g drag bmp txt file min print manager icon , wo n't run notepad paintbrush printing \? want drag file \( txt bmp \) print server icon , stay front attributes , need intelligent print manager drag drop client like amish print 2 0 yes invokes associated application takes 10 seconds \? tony annese claebaur shell portal com claebaur cup portal com
athena mit edu \( daniel \) subject word windows problems organization massachusetts institute technology lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host w20 575 40 mit edu article 1993may16 1973 latrobe edu au , cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au \( jason cleeve \) writes trying use equation editor word windows 2 0 get couple error messages along lines ca n't find font mt extra default printer characters displayed printed try installing equation editor reinstall new printer similar font fences know fonts system unable use tried solutions avail anyone similar problems found way fix , could let know urgently required ! ! thanks , back ! ! ! ! ! ! congratulations , 've discovered nasty , frequently , bug word setup program know wrong , quite easy fix go fonts dialog control panel , select two fonts mt extra fences delete , delete list entries , disk files select add , add fonts mt extra plain fences plain close font box , close control panel , restart word everything alright anyone know microsoft fixed thing yet \? know , 's frequently reported daniel athena mit edu massachusetts institute technology
cs ulowell edu \( michael cook \) subject cmos checksum error organization umass lowell computer science lines 10 recently , getting cmos checksum error first turn computer n't happen everytime turn , predict going happen ami bios setting lost , example drive types password options however , date time remain correct anyone knows causing , please let know thank , mike
organization city university new york kevxu cunyvm bitnet subject info new age ! juts ccc amdahl com 1993apr26 digi lonestar org lines 46 article 1993apr26 digi lonestar org digi lonestar org \( gerry palo \) danger anti cult groups expose lot deception , also become inquisitors one agrees much say , also receiving end , makes realize importance respecting freedom belief every individual also jumping conclusions making accusations based priori assumptions individual group money primary danger anti cult groups every bit wacky groups oppose large printing lies , half truths misleading part exposes recent book cults picked christian author quite simply mixed non christian religions \( except jews \) various new age groups various fringe groups dubious intent legality hand , watchman fellowship good service exposing deceptive practices far common among groups monitor given record american christianity , group falls category fundamentalist born automatically inquisition business unavoidable affliction proprietary license truth \( tm \) let 's forget jonestown branch davidians much part christian tradition missouri synod lutherans , may fact true christian believers far concerned encroachment overtly christian indoctrination public schools classes concerned religious freedom without selective bent people american way p box washington , dc 7500 americans united separation church state fenton street silver spring , md jack carroll
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject church o' satan \( islamic authority sic women \) organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 52 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu david rice ofa123 fidonet org writes marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) csugrad cs vt edu km yeah , hilarious satanists believe satan god , km god satan part christian mythology km therefore , one cannot reasonably worship satan without km acknowledging existence christian god satanists km see satan master , see god satan km adversaries similar power satanists believe km eventual overthrow god transfer power km master kevin marshall great many satanists believe satan , n't 'd go far assert orthodox satanists worship satan \( church satan , etc \) rather worship self hear lavey say , idiots fools believe satan allah knew suckers born every minute maximus 2 01wb anton lavey 's interpretation satanism always puzzled read satanic bible years ago social studies project , well book arthur lyons called cult devil worship america latter included interesting interview black pope indeed say satan merely instrument one realize self refer satanism , referring rural satanic witchcraft existed church satan n't consider lavey 's church orthodox , consider followers satanists lavey combined philosophies nietzsche , crowley , reich , slapped religious doctrine , added little touch p , creation church satan doubt title calculated attempt attract attention suppose could easily called church free sex rate , worked \( \) , church huge following , including hollywood celebrities sammy davis , jr jayne mansfield \( picture lavey sammy , way \) find idea believing satan credible christian believing christ include church satan , suppose need alter definition webster 's dictionary american heritage dictionary kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad cs vt edu blacksburg , virginia \( 703 \) 232 6529
bucknell edu \( tom \) subject montreal canadiens organization bucknell university , , pa , usa lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host bucknell edu montreal canadiens fans let radio station \( \) playing playoff series \( including short wave radio frequencies \) \? , pa \( home bucknell university \) definitely hockey town ! please send responses bucknell edu thanks !
dan ingres com \( rose arose \) subject national repentance organization representing views lines 63 mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes heard radio today christian student conference christians called repent america 's national sins , sexual promiscuity reply whoa ! repent someone else 's sin \? ca n't claim repent someone else 's sin , fact judging \? jesus equipped us judge activities warned us judge people judge ye judged c lewis made point essay world war ii , christian leaders britain urging national repentance horrors \( sins \? \? \? \) world war ii see point , cannot strongly disagree repent means turn around , nation , behaved incredibly arrogantly toward god , encouraging , even forcing folks participate activity directly opposed written word god arrogantly set nation far god created allowed us luxury living land set bad example nations 've slaughtered unborn children millions stricken name god classroom 've cheated god honor due every turn , owe god apology every bit public sins jesus said judge ye judged , addressing like john baptist repented calling others repent addressing remained sin condemnation others sins message us remove log eye removing brother 's also said rebuke n't forget command problem today tend judge condemn though tend neglect bringing folks back lord excuse n't want judge anyone truth , need judge less call others repent able distinguish two motives call sin openly let 's charge fall correctly instead running someone hell , pull path onto path deplore horrible crime child murder want prevention , merely punishment must reach root evil practiced whose souls revolt dreadful deed mater motive , love ease , desire save suffering unborn innocent , woman awfully guilty commits deed oh ! thrice guilty drove desperation impelled crime susan b anthony , revolution july 8 , 1869
fennell well sf ca us \( michael daniel fennell \) subject sarsat tracking payload deployed tether summary sarsat beacons used purposes \? keywords tether , sarsat , navigation nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link , sausalito , ca lines 38 interested constructing reentry vehicle deployed tether attached orbiting platform follow succesful deployment 20 kilometer tether march 29 flight seds \( small expendable deployment system \) , released payload earth 's atmosphere burned west coast mexico time want make payload recovered want build shelf technology quickly inexpensively possible want able track payload deployed parachute idea put kind radio beacon used \( search rescue satellites \) would turn opening parachute aid tracking beacons known marine industry \( emergency position indicating radio beacon \) rugged \( survive ship wreck ! \) cheap several questions 1 world authority regulating use sarsat beacons multiple , e military civilian \? 2 regulations regarding use sarsat signals used one kind situations long lead time warning relevant authorities , strictly reserved life threatening \? 3 coverage \? leo coverage fixed position earth , geosynchronous orbit \? 4 industry organization governing use manufacture transponders \? please post replies send e mail fennell well sf ca us much assistance provide mike fennell
brown grumman com \( richard brown \) subject recommendation laser printer organization grumman data systems lines 3 i'm looking recommendations laser printer used mostly text single user n't need postscript printer advice would appreciated
mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) subject mothership flybys cutting costs reply nsmca aurora alaska edu 's message sat , 1 may 1993 13 13 12 gmt organization abo akademi university , finland x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 52 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes getting wierd \? okay launching one probe multiple parts kind liek old principle old cold war days basically mean design mother ship piggy backed probes different missions , namely different planets probe would tied mother ship \( earth case may \) good go mars \( mars mission act either mother ship relay point probes ca n't see need single \( big \? expensive \? heavy \? \) mothership except voyager style flyby missions years ago , calculations grand tour space probe launched saturn v 1975 76 time , felt idea big mother ship merit voyagers rather small , lightweight craft due limitations imposed using weak titan iii centaur launchers concept examined \( michael 's \? \) lot common british interplanetary society 's daedalus project sending probe 's star e large bus spacecraft carrying several smaller probes dispatched ship arrives destination saturn v supposedly would able launch 10 ton payload towards jupiter beyond bus could included far powerful cameras telescopes scientific equipment heavier powerful power source voyagers would limitations weight anymore extremely important voyagers perform measurements within couple weeks planetary encounter , usually relatively great distance smaller probes carried aboard might based real voyagers , even smaller version like one scheduled launch towards pluto early 21st century , would released various points mission advantages obvious bus would carried basic jupiter saturn uranus neptune mission voyager 2 , addition two sub probes could saturn , examining planet 's south polar regions moving pluto would enabled nasa map hemispheres pluto charon 1986 several probes could examined parts jupiter saturn uranus neptune systems n't examined great detail voyagers due trajectory related factors small camera equipped miniature space probes released month encounter would costly small voyager type mission entirely feasible launched heavy , well equipped spacecraft would learned lot outer planets ! reason grand tour cancelled lack money , course marcu michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 21 distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article 1993apr21 395 gems vcu edu langford gems vcu edu writes 1 \) second amendment gives us right keep bear arms 2 \) strong cryptography arms , according u government \( 's 's hard export \) therefore , right strong cryptography ! better , think , right assemble right meet park talk privately right see anyone nearby , listening cyberspace , cryptography gives us right assemble control us disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
dan watson ibm com \( walt daniels \) subject x , shared libraries , replacing modules \? organization internet lines 5 celsiustech se cc xpert expo lcs mit edu know nothing sun 's replacing pieces libraries , shared , straight forward rs 6000 's \( releases \) extract appropriate pierce ar replace ar see info details
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject jack morris organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 49 aq murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes cannot isolate completely , roger , make pretty good estimate wo n't claim split hairs say really measure better , robby alomar carlos baerga , last year difference close call larkin lee \? clemens morris \? differences great measure game , team ever replace single player \? since clearly best , better \? yet every team always find someplace beleive improve team always find player little better one already \( btw , definitions , best player one things help team win allow could vary depending else team , one team needs others \) well given definition best conceivable alfredo griffin could bring something team team needs win larkin might something team needs \? would griffin better larkin \? baseball team game , made individual talents absurd judge success failure individual success failure teammates , choose \( least cases \) morris last year played team joe carter , robby alomar , tom henke , juan guzman , john olerud , et al clemens lost surrounded lesser performers herm , luis rivera , jeff reardon define quality team sum components \( , albeit \) lesser error defining quality individual mean quality team \( reading arguments suggests \) , trying define quality individual , least purpose ranking toronto olerud might fielder might thomas detroit might thomas chicago might fielder ca n't rank individuals look might contribute team effort , winning ws thomas could contributed goal olerud cannot say olerud less player cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
acsu buffalo edu \( qi \) subject source code x article acsu organization ub lines 16 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu dear netters could mail source code book advanced x window application programming johnson \? need source code , ask thank much ! sincerely , , , suny
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject secret ceremonies \( mormon temples \) lines 47 shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) writes article may 11 02 38 41 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes n't necessarily object secrecy question , since see biblical reason aspect christian worship involve secrecy early church history , dismissed prior celebration eucharist secret , giving rise rumors christians sorts perverse claims actions considered holy observed non christians , well potentially dangerous individual christian might identified larry overacker \( llo shell com \) sig deleted brevity larry thanks reply , n't quite thing like said , understand non christians would denied access holy ceremonies , ceremony \( communion \) secret fact , four gospels record first breaking bread detail communion fellowship meal , \( still , opinion \) inappropriate invite share fellowship body christ fact unbelievers , denied access communal meals , began imagine sorts secret rituals communion means imply early christians fact hiding shameful things general public fact , think read early church fathers , find describing went communion 's seems funny mormons , claim true restoration 1st century christianity , insist hiding certain rituals grounds sacred mark actually , 's quite case john omits central elements last supper gospel full symbolism bread wine actual story n't people think omitted details talked public community also evidence aspects baptismal practice kept secret see morton smith 's secret gospel n't agree speculations secret practices actually , seem evidence mark omitted certain details inappropriate publication clh
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 40 article cat cis brown edu dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) writes someone elaborate little libertarian movement \? going draw conclusions small sample , far recall two self described libertarians posting seems 1 \) incredibly ignorant 2 \) incredibly arrogant 3 \) want get people angry 4 \) posses lousy sense humor 5 \) write jump topic topic without logical connection topics 6 \) describe intelligent knowledgeable , although everything posters points opposite 7 \) childish libertarians believe getting government backs people , free market solve problems libertarians believe end welfare state , end government subsidies sorts basic idea government way big way expensive , shrunk reasonable size also believe complete end foreign aid , including american troops overseas policing world agree people come group describe libertarians seem posses describe , heck , 're like i'm libertarian , 've got great sense humor ! \) adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
onr netcom com \( owen rowley \) subject mow bodycount organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 54 article 1993apr19 spdcc com urso spdcc com \( stephen \) writes article world std com bearpaw world std com \( bearpaw \) writes believe mow plans handing sort thingy , basing count see two problems one , get everybody take one \( one \) \? two , could n't possibly able choose color design wo n't clash somebody 's outfit ! three ads 've seen indicate 're charging 5 've seen , look like clear plastic multi coloured rainbow threads labeled 1993 march washington \( particular number \) certainly everyone march washington willing shell five bucks piece plastic bought mine mow plastic , material think miss point five bucks pocket , supporting march helping pay printed organisation leading literal birth queer visibility country point news coverage driven events happen us event happening direct action course last mow thing ignored us guess labor pains perhaps ignore us , case come even numbers next time lst night dc many queers could hardly get place suspect next two days become exponentially larger mind physical collective closet queer invisibility five bucks insignificant lux owen owen rowley onr netcom com \( also owen autodesk com \) eu state well natural state , enjoy abundance good fortune comes
houle nmt edu \( paul houle \) subject antihistamine sleep aid article nmt 1993apr29 organization electrical eng dept new mexico tech lines 46 nntp posting host baltic long time 've problem feeling really awful try get morning sleep latency night also pretty long , ranging 30 min hour get 7 hours \( maybe 6 actual sleep \) night weekends spend two three hours laying bed , feel tired wake , even tired went bed , usually tired work anyway , recently really bad flu , called friend get cough nasal got formula 44m everything used anyway , three nights used , fell asleep rapidly felt got really good quality sleep , actually felt refreshed next morning , trying look , literature experimentally , use antihistamines sleep aids , since antihistamine caused effect antihistamine formula 44 , bought generic tablets , tried one last night n't notice improvement might try one little alcohol \( 1 beer \) see effect also , library research seems show antihistamine strongest sedative effect availible otc might also buy generic form try pdr seems suggest 50 mg good dosage level try medical information , allergies rarely allergic reaction living new mexico also chronically dry eyes , get horrible try use guess problem might caused hypoglycemia , made changes diet consistent , n't help , went back normal diet \( pretty diverse , also taking vitamin supplements \) anyway , looking advice use antihistamines sleep aids , dangers use \( seems safe since used chronically allergies millions \) n't want try bzs , bz addiction seems serious threat , hear , bz sleep quality good , whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems better tried dietary tryptophan loading stuff , also seems lower sleep quality , seem wake around 4 00 kind mental haze 7 00 8 00 also , would interested advice helping problem \( although 've already tried many non solutions \)
fmg alpha smi med pitt edu \( filip gieszczykiewicz \) subject self destructing copy protection vhs tape \? summary 's mean organization medical informatics , pittsburgh , pa usa lines 35 klp doe carleton ca \( ka lun pang \) writes hi folks , borrowed vhs tape friend warning begining attempts copy tape result destroying copy original found unbelievable playing recording two processes however , 've never seen tape sold anywhere n't want take chance even 's small greetings 3 types warnings \( us \) tapes 1 \) hologram glued across seam 2 halves tape message usually reads , seal broken , must buy tape 2 \) standard macrovision warning , copies tape 3 \) case extended message average consumer \( tm \) states even attempting copy tape destroy original n't believe sue misinformation cases like \) take care p course , 3 utter bs average consumer \( tm \) believes heck , mom returned tape without watching afraid something might happen \) filip 'll buy vowel gieszczykiewicz best e mail fmgst pitt edu ideas mine 0 99 respond ! ! ! ! live ee major , , programming , sca , assorted dreams 200mb drive linux 100mb ms dos 100mb ms dos worried \)
dino inqmind bison mb ca \( tony stewart \) subject voltage regulation current limiting organization inquiring mind bbs 1 204 488 1607 lines 54 acollins uclink berkeley edu \( andy collins \) writes one quick question throw guys class project , need design build power supply following specs adjustable 1 12v current limited 1a voltage must stay within 2 designated value 0 1a ac ripple less 5 mv \( rms \) course , ca n't use adjustable voltage , current limiting regulator chip \) problem current limiting \( e 've found stuff rest parts circuit \) supply must , presented load would draw 1a , given supply voltage , reduce voltage current equal one amp thus , short thing , read one amp measure current 1 ohm resistor 12v , read one amp \( output voltage , necessity , must 1v basic idea seen current limiter involves circuit pull current base output power transistor , therefore reduce output , anybody ideas could work \? thanks advance andy collins , acollins uclink berkeley edu ps anybody wants flame stupid project , agree fully , still , graded \) design ramp , brick wall current limit even fold back cutoff sounds like want brick wall current limit lead correct pull bias series regulator base drive order get brick wall , need enough voltage gain current sensor normally current sensing resistor adequate , infinite gain use op amp sense current stable voltage reference use driver turn base bias series pass transistor phase compensation may necessary closed loop control system 180 degrees phase shift circuit unity gain ok \? \? dino inqmind bison mb ca inquiring mind bbs , winnipeg , manitoba 204 488 1607
mcole miracle informix com \( mary cole \) subject seeking star game info reply mcole miracle informix com organization informix software lines 10 ok , ok , ok first , apologies perhaps subject material perhaps overly optimistic request , goes anyhow i'm interested finding might able get two tickets star game baltimore year aged folks live 50 miles away know would great thing attend game went , grandfather got baseball small child , star game dc many years ago although i'm sf bay area , 'd love able treat folks game 's absolutely last chance 'd ever attend g ame locally info would greatly appreciated ! ! ! ! mary cole mcole informix com
steve titan tsd arlut utexas edu \( steve glicker \) subject 2 5v 200a power supplies f 150 00 shipping nntp posting host rooster organization applied research labs , university texas austin distribution misc lines 13 two lh research 1 power supplies \( series \) , 5v , 200a \( currently wired \) control lines sense , , pwr fail , high lo margin , current monitor work ! \( list price lh research 824 00 f qty 1 9 \) asking 150 shipping steve
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject clipper conference calls organization electronic society reply jhupp shockwave win net 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 01 54 02 gmt 42 shockwave win net nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 36 article 42 shockwave win net jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) writes conference calls \? 's clipper , 's encryption system 've seen number designs generally involve multi line cleartext bridge line cleartext bridge \? would put bridge \? n't one location , forget encryption blown security thought might people using encrypted conference bridges days military \( equivalent , like cia embassy personnel \) , putting bridges recipient 's location normal 's vault military base ft meade , secure phones sound proof rooms big locks doors 're talking classified stuff \( golf generals \) paradigm change start using encrypted phones offices homes carry normal conversations dinner plans stock purchases meeting schedules technical info good batch illegal got last weekend bob people n't use sound proof , may use bridges local phone company \( 3 way calls \) long distance value added phone company \( e g alliance conference bridges \) mainly used radio portion cellular phones , conferencing aspects n't change may market niche trusted conference bridge providers , though suppose inquisitors would try get blanket wiretap authorization many bridges , case bad guy might use service pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
mad cwis unomaha edu \( andy booth \) subject revolt otis project organization university nebraska omaha lines 103 otis project presents revolt first continuing series collaborative art initiatives designed exploit series structured art manipulation projects attempt stretch across network encouraging use electronic mail , fax , video , photography , scanned conventional art even sound create multi artist still visuals gif jpg formats technical levels welcome revolt structured simply three stages production first stage consist participants creating one still work starter piece two pants , turn , manipulate first stage base images due sunday , may 23rd , 1993 , midnight central daylight time stage two begin may 24th images sent another \( arbitrarily chosen \) participant manipulations anyway see fit purely digital artists , may consist filtering image favorite paint program analog artists , may well printing hardcopy image adding part pen , pencil white scan image transferred third stage artist second stage works due midnight sunday , may 30th stage three finishing stage begin may artists think takes finish image 've given using whatever technique see worthy images due june 6th , midnight involved participate stage creation join , send email mail following info name email address mail address scanner access \? \( color grey none \) printer access \? \( laser postscript inkjet color dot \) computer access \? \( mac ibm pc sun amiga atari next \) output format \? \( tiff targa gif jpeg pict postscript fax photocopy pcx windows bitmap \) graphics level \? \( 8bit 16bit 24bit \? \) ftp access \? time limitations \? address information email mad cwis unomaha edu \( andrew booth , project manager \) \( include revolt subject line \) mail otis project revolt po bx 241113 omaha , ne 68124 1113 remember , starter images due sunday , may 23rd deposit either ftp sites sunsite unc edu \( pub multimedia pictures otis incoming \) 141 214 4 135 \( projects otis incoming \) send uuencoded images us via email send address arrange fax exchange n't get starter image , wo n't able participate phase ii \( mid june \) best accomodate facilitate image exchange technologically impaired n't access scanner , need one , 'll try help need image printed sent , let us know \( send sase anticipate \) additional information available following suggestions use uncommon \( video stills , electronic imaging sound \) fax availability times copyright considerations \( appropriation \) image conversion otis project general andy booth ever aliens \? ever see elvis po bx 241113 local 7 11 \? would like hear omaha , ne 68124 1113 paranormal experiences
herb iiasa ac \( herb hasler \) subject x11r5 ibm rs6000 organization iiasa , , austria x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 23 yes problem xinit problems seems come fact xopendisplay \( 0 \) fails try \( machine named godzilla \) setenv display godzilla 0 0 xterm works fine , following work setenv display unix 0 0 xterm set configuration option incorrectly \? thank assistance offer herb hasler herb iiasa ac international institute applied systems \( iiasa \) , austria 43 715 21 ext 548
alee ecs umass edu subject probes plugs oscilloscope function generator lines 9 greetings ! sorry typos clipper hooks al plugs supposed black red mini
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject rob lanphier organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 78 n't get , \? brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes brian k , please step aside get run bk truck turn around look bk look ! healthier take look oncoming truck bk explain trucks exist turn around run bk wo n't like hiking tomorrow tuesday blind fool ! choose ignorance \? nothing lose look look , certainly lose life want see squashed road bk life lose rather look besides , truck running harm way , really open mind think discussion like happily picking side road bc dancing double yellow broken line come play highway ! \? bc highway put people must work towards fulfilling purpose bc look , highway several generations look , story actually created divine ! several people actually saw elvis bless ! bc look , going come , \? bc probably think picking fun well , 're wrong blazes get silly idea 're supposed playing highway \? 'll get killed ! bc better killed highway live empty life besides , 're asking pointless questions know really want playing highway 're denying want get run , fine , 'd much rather enjoy , please bc shun like \? creator highway flatten n't see light come join ! well , 's gonna way , maybe want get far highway bc incoherent quite familiar righteous brian c , n't see \? believe god \( \) real , even \( b \) beneficial fact , believe religion imaginary , carried extremes , harmful would like help see shortcomings , perhaps someday finally become strong enough see elaborate lie , kept alive elite priesthood keep masses properly influences please offer argument 's convincing n't believe 'cos n't want everything 've said far could apply equally religion believe real one \? \( note saying 's one promises eternal life something like n't answer question , unless show \( \) religion promises eternal life \( b \) true eternal life must reality \) brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) subject taurus misc distribution world organization goucher college , towson , md reply george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) lines 15 4 \) fairly cheap \( 150 \) ways increase performance car \? unfortunately , taurus exactly muscle car , i'm looking ways increase performance company florida sells computer chips supposedly get hp torque 3 0 n't address , saw ad hot rod car magazines also , could open exhaust \( get exhaust larger \) hope helps find anything else , let know 've got 1990 taurus l george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
jade tufts edu \( nissan \) subject final solution gaza \? organization tufts university medford , lines 27 honest answer question arabs expelled jaffa , fled jaffa , anywhere else israel , right return yes , unfortunately , right return may apply citizenship like non israeli go jaffa try buy house back jews question answer jews born raised hebron , descendants go back homes hebron \? answer absolutely , almost murdered arab neighbors palestinians , think arabs allowed even visit homes jaffa \? hell , bring back jews hebron , , jerusalem , , etc , perhaps would favor arabs returning jaffa homes however , seeing arab yet able bring people back dead , 'd say 's hope world , nissan katz jade tufts edu
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject christian morality organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing lines 47 article eastman uucp , dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) wrote life , death , resurection christ documented historical fact standard history 've seen care back , sans lies apologists fond \? however major events life jesus christ hundreds years neat trick uh \? really prophesies n't even prophesies 're prayers comments taken torah quite context seems started lying right beginning way get sceptical heart say given sincere effort attitude seem 're arrogant ass , n't \? must trust , go church participate 's activities 're wrong think n't trust something n't exist ever willing die believed \? i'm still willing die believe n't believe loonies waco \? besides , point 's die one believes point 's make sorry son bitch die believes ! \) n't anyone else get tired \? peter , damned proud ! n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
netcom com \( keh cheng chu \) subject monitors nanao \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 23 article c5uw1t 3hi eskimo com johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) writes would like monitor handle high resolutions like 1024x1024 ni i'm using monitor amiga 4000 amiga 2000 w graphics board like retina , sun like sparcstation lx basically want high resolution monitor monitor need large \( 17 \) meets brief requirements outlined 've happy 16 suns could probably cope smaller home i'm interested anyone details high quality sony hitatchi monitors since seem used sun 's fairly often look pretty good \( least \) n't seem brought c p h often mag viewsonic give new viewsonic 17 good look seen side side old viewsonic 7 , mag 17 , nanao 17 \( trinitron one \) , sony oem 17 \( trinitron tube \) new viewsonic beat easily terms picture quality , think far superior 16 sun staring place asks 1178 would bought bought 15 nanao week earlier \( keh cheng
martin world std com \( martin j hannigan \) subject new encryption keywords sternlight , , crypt , archive , cross post , david , bart organization twisted pair consulting , boston , lines 56 article 1993apr22 zip eecs umich edu quip eecs umich edu \( dan \) writes article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes psionic wam umd edu , whose name either unfortunate coincidence casts serious doubt bona fides , posts message seems willing take word private firm knows little new encryption algorithm secure contains trapdoors , seemingly government clipper someone please post david sternlight faq alt privacy clipper someone unfamiliar takes seriously starts yet another flame fest \? dan hello david sternlight keeper faq unfortuantely cannot find present time original faq question anyone take david sternlight serious \? fact one takes david sternlight serious review opinions cases immediately discard jerk alt fan david sternlight actually alt flame david sternlight photograph david sternlight curious \( \) \( \) c \) david sternlight , net police k proud 0 0 dick 0 0 internet david police question david continue relate mis statements regarding encryption topics \? fact david sternlight chemical imbalance right side brain martin hannigan twisted pair consulting 617 623 mac ibm pc mainframe unix
marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject everex cubes organization ft lauderdale , fl lines 11 distribution usa nntp posting host hcx1 ssd csd harris com anybody seen empty everex 's sold \? want cube computer take standard size motherboards \? thanks e mail please mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com lost los angelino
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject waco investigation paranoia originator rja mahogany126 lines 32 nntp posting host mahogany126 organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! article v2110a vm temple edu , v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes people please stop 'i think know batf fbi completely responsible 'll cover investigation show koresch responsible' bs well could original warrent \( sealed first place \? \) , release video tapes \( listening devices inside compound \) quit contradictory statements believe statement children killed lethal injection \? later stated bodies burned point would hard identify come lethal injection theory \? investigation size feds , state , civilians involved investigation would impossible cover unless evidence destroyed evidence planted republicans like arlen spector calling investigations , n't going handled kid gloves mean magic bullet spector \? know , lone killed branch davidians \) \( russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 99 v140pxgt ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes , ca n't force private entity spring life pay government , sheer economic force , basically cleared basic care market way test would really daring person start , scratch , alberta quebec , health insurance company offering basic care crazy \? yes , 's almost mci got started however , concept risks well known insurance private firm get kind public pools get since health insurance gets spent , n't sit well insurance ceo 's get situation like u rates keep going catch see mean \? 's government monopoly sure 's non market free market ca n't solve even private insurance says remember last year quebec proposed giving least risky parts basic care private sector balked like said \? wants part arguments , n't want provincial plan , 're basically creek yes culture , arguing like arguing national defence means true according polls 've read \( usually sort stuff responding \) something like 60 americans would like canadian style health care , whereas 3 canadians would like way 'd interested know many \( 3 canada 's population million people \) canada saturated american media pundits come cable talk awful health care supposed , people experience north ends differing see portrayed american television movies \( e , infrastructure , different insurance make \) yet know insurance problems , idea hmo lots british tv well , know n't like nhs someone must reason argue , valid kind people \? polls refer , canadian data , annual july 1st polls conducted \( major english \) decima research decima president allen gregg considered one world 's top poll researchers , mulroney 's conservatives relied keep power face impossible election situations american polls harris polls , reposted usenet times probably i'm sorta suspicious , 'cos maybe americans want universal coverage like canada honestly doubt americans realize private doctors public private hospitals \( e , similiar health care infrastructure \) system basically pure insurance without hmo 's given recent \( endorsing universal coverage \) hostility hmo 's within ama , complete silence vis vis canada bashing ama , suspect 're keeping secret canada sleeve exactly would n't \? idea managed competition arose , direct threat stand alone private practice 1960 's , ama fought hmo 's socialist medicine part reason insurance , hmo 's canada 'cos part deal cut cma 've also read three biggest american compared straight smaller canadian provinces \( maritimes \) spend something like 300 500 less per patient maybe help american hmo 's still cream probably cover smaller geographic area even smallest provinces geography , spread across whole country , think site probably compact , n't forget hmo 's place caps coverage , often wo n't tell additional procedures could get otherwise \( despite might willing pay \) gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject new planet kuiper object found \? distribution sci organization university illinois urbana lines 20 tholen galileo ifa hawaii edu \( dave tholen \) writes james nicoll writes new kuiper belt object called 'karla' , next one called 'smiley' , , ! previous one called smiley 1992 qb1 smiley , 1993 fw karla way , 1992 qb1 never known smiley officially , moniker already assigned asteroid number could someone explain names come \? i'm sure 's perfectly good reason name planetoid smiley , i'm equally sure n't know reason josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject escrow database organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 5 fox dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com sig revised
mitre org \( peter \) subject espn 's \( lack \) coverage reply jpc philabs philips com 's message 20 apr 93 13 44 39 edt lines 19 nntp posting host mitre org organization mitre corporation 1993apr20 philabs philips com distribution na lines 23 article 1993apr20 philabs philips com jpc philabs philips com \( john p curcio \) writes worst thing exactly last year rangers msg , two different games scny sca time yes , 'd rather sc cover , amount coverage year game scny , game sca , game espn , rangers n't crashed burned , would game msg complaining \? seem recall last year everyone complaining sc coverage even remember games shown dc area instead hockey sc failed show conclusion games feature game \? sound familiar \? year i'm getting twice coverage see caps games plus games espn shows think 's great hockey back espn imho , 're great job especially considering baseball contract work around peter mitre org
wwerner thor mlb semi harris com \( william werner \) subject correction harris 's answerfax phone number nntp posting host thor mlb semi harris com organization harris semiconductor , melbourne fl lines 84 h h rrrrr rrrrr ssss h h r r r r aaaaa rrrrr rrrrr ssss h h r r r r h h r r r r ssss harris semiconductor answerfax answerfax line 24 hours day , 7 days week , instantly receive application notes using touch tone telephone fax machine number call \( 407 \) 724 3818 \( set international calls time \) general decision tree answerfax follows , numbers available selections welcome harris semiconductors answerfax 1 2 select 1 select 2 familiar explanation answerfax answerfax 1 2 select 1 order select 2 document \( list catalogs document list 1 new products catalogs , 2 linear products get first \) 3 data acquisition products 4 digital signal processing products 5 discrete power intelligent power products 9 application notes select appropriate document select appropriate catalog want order want order anything else \? yes , anything else \? yes , taken back taken back selection decision selection decision phone number fax \? name \? \( request instructions \) end bill werner bill werner wwerner mis semi harris com harris semiconductor wwerner thor mlb semi harris com melbourne florida life candle , \( 407 \) 729 dream give flame rush , steel
cbnews cb att com \( james \) subject need card sony 1320 organization distribution usa lines 12 recently made mistake purchasing sony cpd 1320 monitor mac iici monitor good , however seems iici support vga \( buy ask \? stupid reply \) looking video card , preferably 8 bit , supports vga interested information get offers sale applicable cards also considered thanks advance jim
meg arnold qm sri com \( meg arnold \) subject , type organization sri international lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host 128 18 35 50 looking statistics prevalence disorders treatable type disorders include facial , syndrome , , , aberrant facial nerve , facial , , , muscle , occupational \( e writers cramp , etc \) , , temporal joint disease realize many disorders listed \( muscle ! ! \) vaguely defined may encompass wide range particular disorders apologies list provided numbers , reliable ideas sources , even , actual figures \( source listed \) \? many thanks , meg meg arnold , business intelligence center , sri international 333 avenue , menlo park , ca 94025 phone \( 415 \) 859 internet meg arnold qm sri com
cindy uci edu \( cindy \) subject 's bone scan \? nntp posting host 128 200 129 76 organization university advancement , university calif , irvine lines 7 mother advised bone scan performed \? procedure , painful \? 's leg back pain gp said sciatica oncologist listened symptoms said n't sound like sciatica , get bone scan cindy w
infonode ingr com \( kermit tensmeyer \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization intergraph corporation , huntsville , al lines 58 article agate berkeley edu isaackuo spam berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) writes article apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes bd 's contemplating suecide , reason believe committed one reason \? two 1 survivors claimed bd members poured fuel along set fire speed fire spread inconsistent claim morning cnn \( april 27 \) , texas cops say arson suspected two points cnn also stated claim fires fbi set argument made , untrue best 2 certainly fire killed people compound good possibility fbi start fire good reason believe bd 's day attack fbi claimed seen two setting fire outside compound yesterday , arson squad said two flash points near tank entry points good evidence fbi hit squad 3 even bd 's contemplating suicide , possible david koresh convinced \( thus convinced others \) suicide sort difference thinking wo n't survive confrontation fbi \( \? \) committing suicide \? three possibilities bd 's self destruction b fire started fbi accident possible , would foolish us declare outright evidence back sure , 's possible armored vehicle knocked lantern started fire \( lit lantern middle day near edge complex \? \) 's anecdotal evidence contradicted , claimed contradicted i'm finding interesting conflicting reports fbi says bodies found bullet wounds texas \( sp \) says n't yet found bullet holes isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) kermit tensmeyer intergraph corporation ingr com deep dixie
hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 26 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes forwarded old posting celp speech compression 've since told source cygnus com pub celp speech tar z i'm position sun tcp ip gurus think marry end week \? \) seriously think someone real net access two sparcs could running end week ask pgp guys add crypto filter two weeks damn , wish sparc back i'm stuck 25mhz 386sx tried code yesterday sparcstation elc takes 300 seconds compress 22 seconds' worth speech means needs optimized factor 10 usable even half duplex mode question whether celp best approach application produces great compression expense tremendous cpu loads want something run ordinary workstations even high end pc 's without dsp cards guess algorithm going better starting point hal finney
dvb ick \( david van beveren \) subject tv coverage nhl blame ! organization sunsoft inc , los angeles , ca lines 8 nntp posting host ick x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( steven jay \) writes whole lot completely ignorant stuff pitt give guy drug test , whale dvb
harelb math cornell edu subject f cus health u compares nf id n poly math cor 000 nf math cornell edu ! harelb apr 21 14 17 00 1993 lines 81 harelb math cornell edu \( misc activism progressive co moderator \) subject f cus health u compares children elderly poverty f cus health u compares children elderly poverty percentage children elderly living poverty 1984 1987 \( 3 \) children elderly country poverty poverty united states 20 4 10 9 canada 9 3 2 2 australia 9 0 4 0 united kingdom 7 4 5 2 france 4 6 4 5 netherlands 3 8 3 4 germany 2 8 2 8 sweden 1 6 4 3 source timothy , u poverty income security policy cross national perspective , october 1991 , , october , 1991 , income study , working paper 70 19 western industrial nations western industrial countries national health insurance plan providing universal coverage australia yes sweden yes canada yes united kingdom yes denmark yes austria yes finland yes france yes ireland yes switzerland yes italy yes spain yes japan yes belgium yes new zealand yes germany yes netherlands yes norway yes western industrial countries national health insurance plan providing universal coverage united states page 74 're number one , america stands falls new world order andrew l shapiro new york , may 1992 , vintage books , division random house 10 paperback isbn 0 679 2 transcribed well sf ca us \( joe \) becoming land private greed public squalor book indispensable road map wreckage facts reveals may depress ideally 'll fire help rebuild nation '' robert b reich , author work nations
worf \( lynn \) subject mormon temples organization nasa lines 6 secrecy lds ceremonies clh think christ summed quite nicely said something casting pearls tell people things sacred belittle little belittle
leland stanford edu \( qi iao \( daniel \) \) subject sleep pulse relaxation roaming sleeping reply cs stanford edu organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 20 posted pulse \( relaxation \) electricity think like pulse relaxation comfort pulse electricity feel overwhelmed feeling comfort , seeing thinking something beautiful another thing sleep , lie facing , palms aside facing surface bed relax , start involuntary nerve firings inside flesh , feel shiver surface skin \( heart beat \) shiver increases , comes head , roam hear \( note always hear high pitch lie bed noise blood running ear \) roam different high pitch , follows shiver body shiver word may called mild vibration quake shiver roam \? use induce body experience \? daniel chung \( mr \) , u
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( andrew w \) subject ulf crushes valeri zelepukin organization university buffalo lines 13 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu article newsserver pixel kodak com , clare ssd kodak com \( bill clare 726 9419 \) writes less says penguins game briefly saw ulf cross check valeri face wondering cherry going go coach 's corner nah , cherry spew ulf nailing good canadian boy idiot heart soul canadian patriotism , someone needs new hobby dr devils advocate women guns n't mix ubvms cc buffalo edu acsu buffalo edu mark arm
ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) subject standard enhanced question organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 31 reply ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu win 3 1 sometimes \? new dell 486dx2 66mhz 8 megs ram windows working great bus mouse mother board problem dell replaced mouse , gave newer mouse driver windows replaced motherboard prior problem windows would load every time would get logo either would go windows lock consistent every time new motherboard , still thing computer less one month old first worked fine ! get windows time win command forces standard mode things seem run slower mainly use windows apps , standard mode virtual mem plus slower loaded windows , still thing first delete everything windows dir 's \? much added sub dir 's etc really puzzling enhanced mode would load time consistently every time standard mode time thoughts comments \? \? \? c ya artin communication sent artin university arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death dead 2 , 000 years follow king kings
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject 88 toyota camry super deluxe 9 9k organization lehigh university lines 27 article netcom com , davidk netcom com \( david \) write 88 toyota camry top line vehicle blue book 10 , 500 asking 9 , 900 73 k miles auto transmission everything ! owned meticulous mechanic call \( 408 \) 425 ask bob posted friend 88888 1991 toyota camry deluxe sale 70k miles , power everything , grey , 3 years newer 10k highway miles excellent condition rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu new jersey 609 397 2147 ask bob fusi
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject christianity crisis hank hanegraaff reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 22 article may 12 04 27 23 1993 athos rutgers edu af664 yfn ysu edu \( frank decenso , jr \) writes anyone read important book \? , feelings \? frank one wished contend , could answer one time thousand job 9 3 hi frank 've read couple times think excellent needed book time suggest every christian read according hank , printed 15 times harvest house usually prints first printing , still sold first week 's second printing , christian book stores waiting lists order directly cri 1 800 443 9797 tony
lonewolf muse corp sun com \( peter pak \) subject 386 motherboard advice needed reply lonewolf muse corp sun com organization sun microsystems lines 13 nntp posting host muse corp sun com hi , anyone source 386dx 25 motherboards \? 've calling around local stores everyone appears stocking 386dx 33 40 386sx 25 33 motherboards difficult modify 386dx 40 motherboard run 25 mhz \? simple replacing system clock slower part \? thanks ! peter
calvin pnl gov \( jv \) subject adding second ide drive article oracle 1993apr22 organization battelle pacific northwest labs , richland , wa lines 11 originator calvin pnl gov bought western digital caviar 340mb ide drive want add system already ide drive controller says supports 2 hard drives , plug cables , bios setup , try start system , get invalid drive error message system boots , cannot access new hard drive jumpers drive must set work c set master drive , must set slave drive actual settings info drives available western digital
paladin world std com \( thomas g schlatter \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 20 article 93122 cunyvm bitnet cunyvm bitnet writes everyone seems think man 's mouse problem mechanical \( dirty \) similar problem mouse , occurs ru windows therefore cannot mechanical nature understanding bus mice accurate stable general serial mice remember correctly , differences interrupts handled , well fact mouse data received computer bus opposed \( 9600 bps \? \) serial connection i'm running mouse systems compatible mouse 486 66 dx2 trident 1 meg video card similar well strange font e traces left screen windows gpf errors help ! ! ! general problem , associated specific application group applications \?
ultb isc rit edu \( r \) subject modems uarts nntp posting host ultb gw isc rit edu organization systems article jester gun de michael jester gun de \( michael gerhards \) writes universal arithmetic receiver transmitter normally , older boards 8250 16450 uart board chips generate irq every char received 16550 uart internal 16 byte buffer , right software installed generates irq every 16 chars close universal asynchronous receiver transmitter 3 \) necessary 14 4k higher throughput \? ran dos , n't need 16550 , dos runs one task time whole cpu power could used transfer even running dos , cpu ca n't handle speed interrupts , still lose characters one 286 10 machine external 9600 bps modem attached ca n't drive serial port faster 19 2k without losing characters michael michael jester gun de michael gerhards preussenstrasse 59 germany 4040 neuss voice 49 2131 82238 rob robert systems administrator ultb rit edu systems voice \( 716 \) 387 9 village office park , , ny fax \( 716 \) 387 wrote book sales force automation
access digex com \( bill barry \) subject 2 eating clutch master cyls \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 36 nntp posting host access digex net summary repeated leaks \? keywords clutch master cyl problems '84 '86 camry , manual 5 speed transmissions '84 105 , 000 miles '86 83 , 000 miles year ago found master cylinder clutch '84 leaking fluid around piston seal , leading air system fluid back passenger compartment car pulled got rebuild kit \( new , seal , etc \) thought problem much surprise , problem developed several months later ! time looked carefully master cylinder make sure scratches , , obvious causes problem n't find ever since periodically feeding clutch additional fluid bleeding air system knew would selling car n't want go way solving problem add clutch original , 've adjust pedal allow maximum extension piston master cylinder order clutch hypothesis means fully depressing clutch pedal , angle piston rod \( attached pedal \) cylinder , thus piston seal perhaps think explanation \? suggest possible fix short replacing master cylinder getting new clutch put \? '86 problem , except diagnosis n't explain fluid leaked \( way master cylinder , passenger compartment \) vacation 10 days , clutch pedal depressed otherwise caused distort suggest \? many thanks let 's hope n't end going click clack bill barry access digex com
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject obp hurt sac flies \( hbp \? bb \? big cat \? \) organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 68 stat uga edu \( scott \) writes article 1993apr23 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) writes paladin leland stanford edu \( jason \) writes article 1993apr21 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes think sac flies way obp ba seem dumb anyone else \? \( fact comment \) batter 's obp hurt sac fly \? especially sac n't effect , since thing , sac flies usually score run advance base situations involve batter giving ab benefit team \( sacrifice \) \? hurt stats \? sac bunt act , ordered manager batter go trying get sac fly , evidence available indicates ability players ca n't hit sac flies , fly place often 's nobody third greg sorry , gotta disagree last time played ball , went several occasions intending hit fly ball deep enough score runner third advance runner third 's relatively easy actually swing path ball normally would hit good line drive fastballs 's easy , much difficult good breaking balls good hitter excellent bat control voluntarily hit fly balls outfield least , oh , 60 time \? n't facing major league pitching maybe good plate , guys likely opt getting base hit helping average getting sacrifice best example know jerry willard 91 series minnesota put one game swung past parallel accomplished \( barely \) getting run safely stats little study 1993 scoreboard book entitled hit sacrifice flies purpose \? summary findings 5 year period , sac fly type fly balls produced 17 6 percent time situations sac fly useful , 17 7 percent time sac fly n't useful looked leaders sac flies , found leaders sac flies words , guys would expect good hit sac fly type fly balls 3 often needed difference way small result skill essentially , players hit lot sac flies seem hit hit sac fly type flies often , without runner third stats concludes appears conclusive hitters cannot hit sacrifice flies purpose even practice batting cage greg
iturriag utkvx utk edu \( mr \) subject universal phones days \? news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 44 article wd sam cs tu berlin de , wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) writes article 1rg36hinnsr6 darkstar ucsc edu hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) writes i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing sweden , '0' first digit digits pushed one position makes dialing \( process converting numbers \) interesting task otherwise , technically problem connect foreign phone either german swedish phone system otoh neither would ever try , course illegal quite sure illegality using regular american phone home system vaguely remember years ago , deutsche split , , telekom discussion new regulation know cordless cellular phones still approved telekom , hold true regular phones \? areacode germany \( , near koeln \) use touch tone dialing assume , however , areas still exclusively set pulse dialing last time checked \( jan '93 \) cologne areacode 221 still solely pulse dialing btw , touch tone become common germany , flourishing 1 900 services \( germany \) hope 'll isdn time affordable price idle wishes markus things go smoother lard ! iturriag utkvx utk edu bring back glory grease ! iturriag utkvx bitnet east tennessee lard advisory council lives ! 've got takes take 've got
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem organization department redundancy department lines 66 article eggertj moses mit edu eggertj mit edu writes article 3j1 bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes aware incidents asked document accusation repeat request , nay , demand , either substantiate accusation else desist spewing baseless eggert article cbnewsj cb att com avr cbnewsj cb att com \( adam v reed \) writes 've read history books dealing period , good bad , possible missed one two , none 've read documents razing mosques think remarkable claim requires specific documentation jake demands , adam requires specific documentation razing mosques jerusalem either reading p , would already seen documentation forgetful newcomers , however , references well , 've reading p saw write article eggertj moses mit edu wrote balance , perhaps mention mosques jerusalem razed israeli victory 1967 eye eye , guess statment clearly tries balance arab atrocities noting single incident israelis war time holy site even characterize eye eye also wrote would false read history , learn right 1967 war , victorious israelis decided section newly captured east jerusalem , near wailing wall section mosques razed find source notes 1 mosque razed followed episode example good government running amok newly acquired power really \? still feel israelis comparable running amok power , say , iraqis \? eye eye comparisons n't match realities us familiar quoting west bank story , pages 35 36 night june 10 , israeli officer marched door door happened war ! fierce mighty war , would say jordanians indiscriminately shot ancient structures custom describing bullet holes walls city \? war ! certainly eye eye israelis harbor feelings revenge arabs generally one reasons peace movement exists israel nowhere else e jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject harry caray organization adobe systems incorporated lines 8 article 9500 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) writes btw , show hands attending year 's sabr national san diego \? 'll , ultimate sherri nichols snichols adobe com
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject car saftey important \? organization university westminster lines 10 safety important buying car wo n't buy small car like civic whatever great safety handling speed safety handling speed rich ! ! ! ie merc ! ! !
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject waco questions distribution usa organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 10 16 condition propane tank mentioned bd survivors \? e crushed tread marks \? dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com u government become garrotte around necks citizens garrotte , people struggle breathe air freedom , government tightens stranglehold possible outcomes point death government elimination personal freedom
max west darkside com \( erik max francis \) subject temperature dark sky organization dark side moon 1 408 245 spam lines 18 henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? temperature intergalactic space \( space \) would , close microwave background temperature , 2 73 recall interstellar space neighborhood galaxy 's something like 4 k looking \? erik max francis , ! apple ! ! max max west darkside com usmail 1070 dr 1 san jose , ca icbm 37 20 n 121 53 w like strategic games interstellar conquest , ask universe ! \) \( , lumina things , lights \) \(
nuscc nus sg \( simon \) subject quit smoking organization national university singapore lines 15 girlfriend smoker addicted quite time tried couple times , always get back background non christian , 's interested christianity i'm christian non smoker would like collect personal stories christians managed quit hope encourage keep trying anybody ever similar problem knows good book , pls reply email appreciate kinds helps thanks lot simon \( 65 \) dept ee , nat'l univ fax \( 65 \) singapore 0511 internet nuscc nus sg
\( \) subject barbecued foods health risk organization florida state university acns lines 43 article edb acsu buffalo edu , ubvm cc buffalo edu wrote article cup portal com mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes odd exception rule seems product known file' nothing ground dried sassafras leaves natural product , natural product still natural form , maybe 's evade delany maybe special exemption made , appease powerful louisiana democrats one possible reason file' made sassafras leaves , root beer made sassafras bark root bark leaves contain either less bark also sort treatment removes sassafras products concentrated sassafras tea extract claimed removed think keep mind even though may illegal commercially produce sell food carcinogenic substances , illegal people food \( smoking , etc \) true \? well , last time went store buy sassafras bark make root beer , sign saying n't sold human consumption also , asked person wild cherry bark bark , made point telling could n't buy sassafras human consumption find fact people reckless enough step automobile live fear dropping dead pork rib quite funny , sick way eric pepke internet pepke gw scri fsu edu supercomputer computations research institute pepke fsu florida state university span scri pepke , fl bitnet pepke fsu disclaimer employers seldom even listen opinions meta disclaimer society needs disclaimers many lawyers
pvr wang com \( \) subject crypto file system reference \? organization wang labs , lowell , usa nntp posting host wang com lines 10 ago reference paper crypto file system \( cfs \) given someone \( \? \) get copy \? available net \? published \? author \? thanks peter pvr wang com well , says
fiddler concertina eng sun com \( steve hix \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization sun lines 28 nntp posting host concertina article 93112 psuvm psu edu mark 'mark' sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns oh \? smoke flames start three different places \? particular , three different places apv 's \? according ap report \( texas , written aron \) morning , gas pumped cs generators , canisters tear gas thrown building armored vehicles , one canisters hitting man inside face part article going differences stories told bd survivors gov't tear gas canisters used able start fires things important give away everybody else none left dieter car salesman
dchan cisco com \( derek chan \) subject service indicator bmw organization cisco lines 49 distribution world nntp posting host cisco com originator dchan cisco com article 1993apr22 westminster ac uk , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes derek tool available reset service indicator bmws lights come back 2 3 weeks tool fact illegal \( europe atleast \) often case unsuspecting buy used bmw weeks later , lights come ! , know tool anyone else \? changing oil every 15 , 000 miles thats ok newer audis , require every 12 , 000 miles \( talking oil change \) query drive car carefully \? like sudden acceleration etc \? yeah , 15 , 000 oil change seems quite reasonable drive kinda fast 'd get bit tight 15 , 000 thingy \( point note first light came 3k , n't mean others come every 3k \) shaz shaz , hmm service indicators works way 5 green , 1 yellow , 1 red indicators initially green indicators minutes start car computer actually sense drive car time goes green indicators start go one one yellow indicator turn red indicator go get service time green indicators service mechanic \( \) reset service indicators computer starts counting expect tool \( procedure \) reset green lights come yellow red lights go wonder people oil change themself without knowing reset indicator 's first european car changing oil 15 , 000 miles surprise 's big plus \) wonder could happen since oil lose lubrication ability time , thought 's oil vehicle determines often change oil bmw owner net \? response welcomed ps initial question service indicator bmw derek
johnson santafe edu \( george johnson \) subject 13 monitor organization santa fe institute lines 30 nntp posting host santafe x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 several weeks ago , described problem apple high resolution monitor promised summarize replies received e mail occasionally , every two three hours , monitor momentarily loses sync entire raster image bounces eighth inch , rights usually happens right close large window , highlight large area , something radically image screen sometimes , though , happens provocation whatsoever received range replies one extreme man , clearly quite knowledgable monitors , said problem 13 monitor 's power supply simply could n't always keep sudden changes raster image rapid change largely light screen largely dark one monitor 's power supply fix available , said , nothing really wrong \( guess meant flaw fundamental endured \) seemed quite persuasive would tempted adopt attitude , except reply 13 monitor owner discovered problem documented apple service technical procedures , volume 3 , heading correction section describes fix involving replacement capacitor , adjustment , , failing , swap circuit board would grateful discussion among experience sort thing
cbnewsm cb att com \( arlen r martin \) subject mitsumi sb pro organization distribution usa lines 18 article elroy uh edu elroy uh edu \( b j \) writes article 1993apr20 zip eecs umich edu , grover emunix emich edu \( grover thomas \) writes poke little pins connector , replace correct slots \? easy poke \? yep 've done , trick use tiny screwdriver push latch pin pull connector label one first tape n't get confused 've pulled compare pinout tables mitsumi soundblaster manuals get correct orientation arlen martin att ! !
csiro au \( phil \) subject loopback connector made \? organization csiro division , canberra , australia lines 38 skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au \( shaw goh \) writes 35002 4401 uwovax uwo ca wrote need know pins connect make loopback connector serial port build one loopback connector used test serial port thanks help steve ! ! ! ! ! ! ! skcgoh tartarus uwa edu au 25 pin serial loopback plug , need connect following pins pin 1 pin 7 pin 2 pin 3 pins 4 , 5 8 together pins 6 , 11 , 20 22 together pins 15 , 17 23 together , pin 18 pin 25 note lot pins redundant many implementations phil phil computer unit , csiro division australia life sexually transmitted disease 100 mortality rate
ursa calvin edu \( edward ball \) subject ibm writing screen memory \( graphics \) nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 27 anyone give information lead electronic information \( books i'm poor \) regarding programming standard graphics modes \? easy enough , i'm sure rest something planes something , writing ports like , n't know numbers anything 16 color modes , think i'm wrong , let know also , 320x200x256 one byte pixel 's easy enough , ways write screen , perhaps bytes time , something like \? course , 'd appreciate information mode reminds another question supervga modes work , generally , normal 16 256 color modes , mode numbers various cards different , methods writing screen different well \? thanks help give i'm developing screen class c find searching information oh , ralf brown 's interrupt list , given tons invaluable information already n't go screen programming details \( except read write pixel bios calls thanks edward ball , knight calvin edu
willisw willisw eng clemson edu \( bill willis \) subject help , i'm clever ! \( make power supply \? \) keywords power supply organization engineering services , clemson university lines 37 article hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu \( , joel phillip \) writes need make power supply take input cigarette lighter car \( 12v dc \) drive 7 5 volts 3 0 amps know enough know simple voltage divider two resistors wo n't right thing made radio shack able parts without much difficulty \? jps bf p 've looked things like radio shack none seems go higher joel north avenue trade school , dept round things prism gatech edu \( ask scooter technologies , receive \) see radio shack national semiconductor adjustable voltage regulator , \( national \) part number devices rated input output differential 35 volts 3 amps digi key corp parts , well several useful regulators n't catalog , phone number 1 800 344 guess may intend 7 5 vdc nicad battery device , i'm right , may want look books get various ideas battery charging circuits , first get stuck , e mail fax number , one , 'll send suggestions schematics e mail willisw coe nw clemson edu
tsa cellar org \( silent assassin \) subject sale monochrome monitor , 8088 motherboard , disk drive organization cellar bbs public access system lines 20 sale , trade combination 286 16 motherboard 2400 v 42bis monochrome monitor , pretty generic , ibm 8088 motherboard , 7 mhz , built monochrome color support , built serial parallel ports stick robot , use make cheap terminal , whatever 5 25 internal low density disk drive 1200 baud external modem , practical peripherals make offer suggest trade whatever libertarian , atheist , semi anarchal techno rat define tsa cellar org
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject dreams body incidents lines 26 ever since kid learned tell dream used dreams fantasies working problems dreams done everything yell mom machine gunning zombies , mention myriad sexual fantasies deliberately done things would never real life understand need control ones thoughts , always felt dreams format free , morals , ethics , physical laws , \( though sometimes would wake go bathroom \) incorrect attitude \? rather weakening , could argue got certain things system experiencing dreams analyzing dream determine problem certain situation , e dream something contemplate see really bothers ca n't believe people n't seems silly attach moral significance dreams think entirely different body experiences , never contradictions welcome chris mussack
gel cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) subject windows ati ultra \( chip \) sizing question nntp posting host binkley cs mcgill ca organization socs mcgill university , montreal , canada lines 24 article uwaterloo ca mike tancsa mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca writes upgraded trident tvga9000 ati graphics ultra \( old chip \) quite pleased performance far , one problem using windows 800x600 , noticed tile bars scroll bars significantly larger using trident card setting ini files change make smaller \? could find faq list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca make sure use small fonts driver large fonts driver check setup 's explanation would find hope helps gel
taob r node hub org \( brian tao \) subject pregnency without sex \? organization mugs research development facility x newsreader mugs 3 apr 22 93 matthews oswego oswego edu \( harry matthews \) reply taob r node hub org lines 11 article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu , harry matthews writes 've heard community swimming pools refered public urinals else going \? swim nude public swimming pool \? \) doubt sperm penetrate material , assuming n't immediately dispersed water currents brian tao taob r node hub org \( r node bbs , 416 249 5366 , free ! \) wave scar utoronto ca \( university toronto \)
dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) subject hb 1776 passes texas house ! organization texas university , college station lines 14 nntp posting host tamuts tamu edu hb 1776 concealed carry texas provides licensing citizens carry concealed firearms pass instruction course \( 30 hours , remember correctly \) , pay 140 fee \( good 4 years \) , meet several criteria related personal character , etc n't agree criteria , feel 's high time pro gun types fight way hci et al getting incremental changes law daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
nx39 mik uky edu \( jerry marvin \) subject hp plotters sale nntp posting host nx39 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 6 new plotters , 2 'em , straight box , docs lost make offer , cod shipping jj mik uky edu
smk5 quads uchicago edu \( steve kramarsky \) subject clipper considered harmful reply smk5 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago distribution inet lines 34 article 1993apr23 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes cops send f holder f holder strips f , sends u k , n escrow agents send either u k cops \( says u , say k \) cops ca n't use u future , ca n't strip f f holder never sees u 's model , escrow agents ca n't read traffic , n't k model , k , message trust think cops fbi \( f holder \) likely collaborate breaking rules net result involving f holder escrow agents every tap , avoid extending permission tap 've reading board passively find subject absolutely fascinating , especially point view civil rights nut like problem i'm new field paragraphs like keep popping i'm sure mr bellovin writing fascinating important , idea means \) anyway i'm keen learn read anything get hands explains stuff lay terms \( decent cs background , huge amount hyper advanced math \) anyone point faq decent source information guts current cryptography maybe little history well \? read piece month 's wired , anyone tell much trust references suggest \? thanks advance , steve steve kramarsky , university chicago law school steve chi il us smk5 quads uchicago edu kiss girl jake , night hanging
rye cray com \( james k rye \) subject put helmet originator rye lines 30 nntp posting host organization cray research , inc article 1993apr21 rd hydro ca , jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes article 97 uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes another good place helmet mirror \( ! \) dents dings liner , sometimes quite bit 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada also works great put really hot days tar gets really soft jim rags rye senior technical support analyst 86 harley davidson rye cray com cray research inc , , mn 're going something tonight 'll sorry tomorrow morning , sleep late opinions mine mine , small fee may rent
organization university maine system wayne barber barber maine maine edu subject braves update ! ! 13586 news duke edu odin corp sgi com steph pegasus cs uiuc edu lines 56 article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu , steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) says events saw 1 \) called strike hirschbeck 2 \) shocked looking gant asks appeal first 3 \) appeal first 4 \) gant steps batters box 5 \) hirschbeck immediately orders gant back bad move even noticed gant 's one batter attempting regain concentration gant wonder gant said something ump \? 6 \) gant ignores hirschbeck walks bad move actually , small hand wave gant say 'do n't bother me' gant may said something , 7 \) hirschbeck gant gant silent 8 \) hirschbeck calls pitch 9 \) pitch called strike 10 \) cox argues \( could n't see came field \) cox already halfway ump strike called 11 \) cox ejected , players everywhere 12 \) play finally resumes gant n't ignored hirschbeck returning made strike call fairly likely although suspect argument might gotten gant tossed altogether hirschbeck let gant step , whole incident probably would avoided impression gant ' making protest lack appeal first pointed earlier , appeal first strike understand gant feeling little pressure two , risp , 1 0 game , ninth inning let get ump also gant , doubt would gone long hirschbeck let moment compose telling come bat imho , umpires flexible hirschbeck showed gant disturbed point pretty likely would get hit bad finish pretty good game dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball wayne barber data support specialist university maine system internet barber maine maine edu
srv pacbell com \( martin \) subject logic backup \? organization pacific bell lines 27 article cs uiuc edu ioerger sophocles cs uiuc edu \( thomas ioerger \) writes think 2 possibilities 1 \) i'm right disk really crashes , would least install dos windows get backup program working using software 're using , agree installed dos , windows \( functionally norton , purposes discussion \) , used dos backup command much restore , boot system diskette , use dos restore read much , boot windows restore full backups using \( norton , case \) , overwriting 've restored allows keep windows essentially unchanged , customization real copy done using 3rd party backup utility 2 \) i'm wrong easy way make mirror hard disk easily restore 's state scratch seems possible , put versions dos backup utility system floppy could restore one go martin systems analyst , capacity planning , pacific bell pacbell com sacramento , ca usa 916 972 's good ancient druids , strange fermented fluids , 's good enough ! \( \)
mjr4u virginia edu \( matthew j rush \) subject bernie nicholls man ! organization university virginia lines 26 thoughts n't usually like post simply make fun player , time could n't resist pens devils game last night , second period , think kevin stevens penalty box , nicholls punched kjell face , raised stick like two handed sword defend ! kjell could , 355 pounds , laugh ! speaking swedish penguins defensemen , ulf getting little hand lately cheap shots getting frequent violent everybody except officials could see last night , rammed butt stick one devil 's throat 've always supported argument job irritating , 's starting push edge imho course , holik 's chop barrasso 's neck n't either seems following way beat penguins injure philosophy modern drama professor pointed day , jagr stoned pretty well tuesday night , last night well , although 30 seconds danced around devils end pretty exciting matt uva
scheiber sage cc purdue edu \( jennifer scheiber \) subject pregnency without sex \? organization purdue university computing center lines 15 article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu matthews oswego oswego edu \( harry matthews \) writes right , listen possibilities transmission swimming pool water \? especially n't par \? 've heard community swimming pools refered public urinals else going \? sperm would diluted x gallon swimming pool j e n n f e r c h e b e r email scheiber sage cc purdue edu school nursing purdue university
dave npt nuwc navy mil \( dave lewis \) subject unsubscribe organization internet lines 3 expert expo lcs mit edu unsubscribe
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? reply wen king cs caltech edu 's message 23 apr 1993 14 27 32 gmt lines 28 gap caltech edu organization ibm toronto lab article gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu \( wen king su \) writes path eclipse ! yktnews watson ibm com ! hawnews watson ibm com ! newsgate watson ibm com ! news ans net ! europa eng gtefsd com ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! elroy jpl nasa gov ! nntp server caltech edu ! wen king wen king cs caltech edu \( wen king su \) newsgroups rec autos date 23 apr 1993 14 27 32 gmt organization california institute technology lines 9 references gap caltech edu sumax seattleu edu nntp posting host neptune cs caltech edu keywords mercury , villager , minivan , van , cars , article sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu \( steven morris \) writes villager quest seem like best voyager copies come along since mazda mpv nissan maxima engine paired maxima 4 speed auto trans excellent drive train , rest vehicle seems well engineered price controversial hmm last time checked , villager quest maxima engine , much powered weight engine , different state tune \( less hp maybe torque \) friend work regularly takes 6 people seems haul around fine jeff goss
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject tapped , code good organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 23 distribution world reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 article bu edu , uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes think wo n't see using apple 's new signature finder feature \? n't released , 's way evaluate yet , apple could smart use md5 hash encrypted rsa , like pkcs signatures could even actually pkcs compliant , know wait released , hard information available , passing judgement \? 's algorithm 's n't secret apple 's fascistic remains secret \( except apple demos macworld \) \) , simply 's done yet may flawed , may however , ca n't tell actually see , least , quite impressed seen far , expectation disappointed amanda walker intercon systems corporation
rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu \( ramin taraz \) subject '93 wing ding \? organization worcester polytechnic institute , worcester , 01609 2280 lines 13 nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu reply franks hercules cs uregina ca 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 22 22 06 gmt wed , 21 apr 1993 22 22 06 gmt , franks hercules cs uregina ca \( derek franks \) said franks first post , dod would like know dod \? , feel free ask fill rtaraz wpi wpi edu today tank 1988 ex500 good day go ride dod taurus pt die \?
aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) subject nature waco gas organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 37 reply aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu previous article , dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) says heard network radio news spokesman army saying type cs gas used waco banned military use use also banned draft international agreement use chemical weapons warfare reason given use causes extreme nausea , blindness , disorientation , total irrationality , raging paranoia n't know paranoia irrationality , rest pretty close , though left inability breath course make claim people fairly deranged things get away 've seen teenagers flatten drill get tents full raises another issue children would susceptible , show results earlier stuff janet reno told would safe children n't mention open , probably would n't much harm children , although would n't use close proximity infants hand , confined spaces , effects greatly intensified , point lethality , since sufficient quantity cs displace oxygen running cs chamber careful attention paid ventilation wonder checked see bds suffered respiratory diseases doubt smarter , 'd opinions
aaron minster york ac uk subject gulf war selling arms distribution world organization department computer science , university york , england lines 14 mark mccullough \( mccullou cs wisc edu \) wrote heard arms sale saudi arabia , grave mistake sell saudi arabia weapons \? claiming n't sell weapons countries \? straightforward answer please saudi arabia oppressive regime recently interfering newly yemen , including border entirely possible soon invade yemen popular west managed put aside political differences thus west effectively lost one half \( north \? \) client state aaron turner
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) organization express access online communications usa lines 29 nntp posting host access digex net given described hst seemed smt , given mass discovery mission tight enough spacewalking carefully constrained edo pallets , spare suits , extra mmu 's \? quick test goldins philosophjy faster cheaper , better build real fast space tug , handle boost hst using clean cryo fuels , get ready hst mission nasa could build mercury 13 months , able make smt 9 much would need \? guidance package use voyager spare thruster gear , use , lox lh bus use grapple fixture use stripped canadarm comms package spare x band omni gear pat
rhaller ns uoregon edu \( rich haller \) subject resound hearing aid theory understand organization university oregon lines 41 distribution world nntp posting host rhaller cc uoregon edu following based copies given articles published hearing instruments would appreciate comments 'new' technology hearing aids resound system developed basis research appears take different approach aids appears new aid like widex uses flexible \( programmable \) version classical approach parts spectrum others adding compression try help situations major difference resound approach divides spectrum low high frequencies \( splitting point programmable \) , apparently based fact lots vowel information found low frequencies , important information \( unfortunately \) high frequencies two bands treated different compression schemes also developed new fitting algorythm builds call growth latter interesting fits personal experience , though think phrase appears case exceed minimum threshold person hearing loss , deficit becomes less compared normals time reach point sensitivity curves appear converge means boost sound levels , overloading high end people hearing losses hence want progressively less amplification signal get closer maximum tolerable point want boost low volume sounds high potentially differently low high frequency parts spectrum \( specially someone like relatively normal 1000 cps falls cliff \) aids simple compressors n't energy low high frequencies therefor useful high frequency information high volume low frequency components particularly impressive resound performance speech simulated restaurant noise situations rich haller rhaller ns uoregon edu university oregon , eugene , , usa
phoenix princeton edu \( david wagner \) subject viewing postscript files x windows originator news nimaster nntp posting host phoenix princeton edu organization princeton university lines 54 article polaris isi com kin isi com \( kin cho \) writes also live utility converts postscript plain text , retaining page counts know many pages original document contains well , know one hack sort conversion first get ghostscript check gs ps file comes prints information text string goes page , maintains page counts 've written little c program massage output gs gs ps somewhat , get ascii strings document guarantees wo n't break words sentences , though 've used varying degrees success anyways , try , may want massager filter use gs crude postscript ascii conversion usage cat file ps gs gs ps massager print ctrl l new page put following source massager c compile include stdio h include string h main \( \) char line 1000 , p \( fgets \( line , sizeof \( line \) , stdin \) ! null \) \( line 0 \) printf \( f n \) else \( line 0 's' line 1 ' ' \) \( \( p \( line , ' \) ' \) \) null \) continue p ' 0' \( \( p strchr \( line , ' \( ' \) \) null \) continue \( p p p \) \( p ! ' ' \( p 1 ! ' \) ' p 1 ! ' \( ' \) \) \( p \) \( ' n' \) return \( 0 \) david wagner princeton edu
willisw willisw eng clemson edu \( bill willis \) subject acceleration sensor \? organization engineering services , clemson university lines 22 article 1993apr27 walter bellcore com deaddio ski bellcore com \( michael deaddio \) writes anyone know type acceleration sensor electrical output sort \? would sense acceleration one direction thanx , mike michael deaddio \( mts \) work hard , play hard , bell communication research problem deaddio thumper bellcore com playing hard makes 201 829 5024 working harder mre 2q 260 systems , 4 park , acton , , ph \( 617 \) 263 1400 engineering , us rt 130 union ave , , nj ph \( 710 \) 892 cheap , mainly outputs fairly linear respect acceleration n't say range acceleration want measure , ways measure using additional information would helpful anyone may respond call , wish
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization loral rolm computer systems lines 11 clipper also allows extraordinary opportunity criminal conceal use super encryption automated full system surveillance mechanism \( quite feasible across radio bandwidth \) knows family key f , validate clipper wrappers n esn associations , cannot reveal realtime use super encryption , unless knows unit keys , assured made available two separate pieces , upon specific wiretap like order serial number 64 bit block , 34 bit filler n't take lot check see correct
nichael bbn com \( nichael cramer \) subject long text acts variants nt text reply ncramer bbn com organization bbn , interzone office lines 80 moderator posted week ago never showed \( locally \) net already actually posted , please fill free flush copy n db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) anyone english translation long recension acts apostles found \? 1 english translation found acts apostles , translated codex bezae , introduction origin importance , j wilson \( london , 1923 \) 2 another work might useful acts apostles , critical edition introduction notes selected passages , albert c clark \( oxford , 1933 reprinted 1970 \) \( edition text acts makes assumption text codex bezae authentic n't know actually contains english translation \) 3 another useful discusses many variants detail theological tendency codex bezae acts , j epp \( cambridge , 1966 \) 4 recent reference found edition french early '80s \( supply reference anyone 's interested \) 5 , many works going difficult find 're interested examining differences long recension excellent \( easily obtainable \) discussion found textual commentary greek nt , bruce metzger \( united bible society , 1971 \) metzger 's book serves companion volume ubs 3rd edition greek nt contains discussion reasoning went behind decisions 1440 variant readings included furthermore , notes addition 600 readings included \( majority occur acts \) particular introduction section acts metzger writes attempt made set reader less full report \( english translation \) several additions modifications attested western witnesses since many corresponding apparatus text volume , care taken supply adequate evidence supports divergent readings \( p 272 \) understand one early , vaticanus version acts would interesting know differences long short forms 6 copies text acts \( including ones vaticanus \) pretty closely shorter \( alexandrian \) version longer version refer usually called western version main witness codex bezae \( rather fragmentary sources \) 7 far size , difference clark 's edition \( mentioned \) book acts contains 19 , 983 words whereas text edited \( typical alexandrian text \) contains 18 , 401 words e difference 8 1 2 8 answer obvious questions , , major revelations longer text major omissions shorter text main difference seems expansion detail western text \( , prefer alexandrian \) western text seems given detail interesting specific cases , probably place go detail 9 discussion years versions authentic hot heavy anything approaching modern consensus \( \) neither text represents purely authentic version , \( ii \) variant reading examined merits however , \( iii \) variant alexandrian text better often n
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 16 article tec army mil riggs descartes etl army mil \( bill riggs \) writes second question , makes gerry think actions would different another type warrant use \? taking guess , perhaps koresh peaceably served warrants , shoot anyone instead went police without fighting first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
zeus tamu edu \( igor \) subject questions kc 135 veterans organization texas university , academic computing services lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu edu keywords kc 135 experiments research news software vax vms vnews 1 41 think may problems may want make stand side wo n't affect much writing disk hard disk hmm would think edge would worse , since might make tracks around due sideways force head older drives used tell reformat going stand drive edge 3 g , side force might even problem new drives well seemed work mac ii installation talking oh yeah something forgot mention even though 're water around , dripping roof plane make sure hardware covered make also sure keyboards protected two phase flow coming sick people happened us good luck igor texas university
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject bob vesterman 's plan generate fan interest lines 39 owners whining baseball popular among large enough portion population , suggested various remedies , shortening game trying convince us accurate description , essentially , laid back game forget lame ideas new exciting two point plan generate interest baseball among masses point one sex point two violence let 's face , sex violence things sell america 's implement game sex cheerleaders , cheerleaders , cheerleaders dancing top bringing hot dogs umps seventh inning stretch running stands \( south bend white sox actually \) violence baseball players utter boys pitcher beans batter , empty called bench clearing brawl everybody stands looks stand , stand , stand look , look , look ho , hum , come running reach fight , stand , anybody coming bench throw least one punch suspended fined , fight outfield , waste time energy running infield football sex , violence basketball sex , violence hockey violence baseball da da ! yawn bob vesterman
andrew cmu edu subject sony camcorder 399 organization senior , math computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu sony ccd v9 8mm camcorder originally bought 1200 399 original box andrew cmu edu 412 268
hoyt terminus gatech edu \( kurt hoyt \) subject hunter dl , klesko organization georgia tech college computing lines 20 steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes braves prospects , say , imo , someone braves roster become may even hunter think 'll problem getting klesko lineup 's well , may good news klesko hits , 'd look bream traded \( possible \) released , since bream also hope klesko hits according atlanta paper , bream full time first baseman klesko used late inning defensive replacement bream lifted pinch runner 'd hit homer first ab \( win game amazing thing \) rewarded start could even attempt push hunter bream lineup kurt atlanta hoyt cc gatech edu salestech com 652 compuserve com politics greek poli many ugly , blood sucking parasites
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prism cs orst edu \( ryan robin \) subject john wetteland , derek lilliquist , info please article flop distribution usa organization cs dept , oregon state university lines 31 nntp posting host prism cs orst edu hi , wondering anyone knew john wetteland put dl first 15 day period \? read usa today sports section surgery repair broken toe , wondering new thought letting heal another question , derek lilliquist main closer indians gone need know cause need find reliever replace wetteland far lilliquist ok information either players would greatly appreciated thank time ryan robin texas rangers 1993 ! jose canseco mvp ryan n robin 311 hall corvallis , \( prism cs orst edu \)
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject temperature dark sky organization u toronto zoology lines 20 article 1993apr28 princeton edu richmond spiff princeton edu \( stupendous man \) writes henry , read correctly , may asking put blackbody interstellar space \( sun nearby large warm objects' \) , reach thermal equilibrium ambient radiation field \? basically right question , although interested cases closer home sun behind either natural object effective shielding 's case , let point interstellar dust molecules provide many instances things , well , far blackbodies inside disk galaxy , temperature varies quite bit place place good point \( thanks references \) svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject homosexuality issues christianity reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 56 article may 11 02 39 05 1993 28328 athos rutgers edu carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) writes bible verses ag used ag homosexuality deleted anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion also check episcopal church although means episcopalians sympathetic homosexual men women , certainly fairly large percentage \( experience \) good friends episcopalian minister ordained living monogamous homosexual relationship way diminishes ability minister fact significant ministry gay lesbian association community , well significant aids ministry uncle gay found good long think bible say feel god thinks obviously conclusions may wrong nonetheless feel right believe one important thing wrote old new testament passages cited know scientific evidence support homosexuality least partly inherent rather completely learned means certain extent great extent homosexuals cannot choose feel people reports curing homosexuals always chill make feel ill please , although ca n't cite sources find information , homosexual behavior recorded among monkeys animals , suggestive inherent rather learned , least word unnatural n't really apply please remember whatever believe , gays lesbians excluded love acceptance christ loved us , sin never said anything homosexuals rather paul \( also came wonderful wisdom women n't speak church women keep heads covered church exact quotations n't bible handy \) says things tendency take things paul says grain salt well , 's 'll say dr ann b carlson \( b carlson larc nasa gov \) ms 366 nasa langley research center ` \) hampton , va 23681 0001 vera noyes lord risen indeed let 's party ! noye midway , uchicago edu \( vera noyes \)
spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 34 nntp posting host pitstop ucsd edu article acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes well , still land free time individuals supposed able please unless upon rights someone else owning fully automatic machine guns also permitted law class iii federal firearms license paid transfer tax refering 50 cal feds claim bd , used 50 cal 3000 yard target shooting legitimate challenging sport i'm getting tired wimpy liberals whining gun control , ! ya know , second amendment says well regulated militia , necessary security free state , right people keep bear arms , shall infringed , notice , says arms guns arms zog wants think legitimate possessor nuclear weapons unconstitutional ! much right kilogram two nice weapons grade plutonium cruddy little pointy headed liberal los alamos support right keep bear short range nuclear weapons 's legitimate challenging sport screw limit spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 car car , bumper strip seen 805
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject blast next time organization oklahoma state university distribution usa lines 56 article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu , oldham ces cwru edu \( daniel oldham \) happened waco fault batf would proper equipment personal could captured compound initial assault none would happened proper equipment problem went things wrong way atf served warrant manner instead going like bunch guns blazing i'm trying excuse david koresh i'm saying atf \( henceforth known cigarette cops \) went raid improper manner batf needs people , better weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able use force instead retreating stand going job right batf protect us must proper equipment people job let fbi , customs , local police officers atf 's job need anymore ! ! ! cigarette cops prohibition days anachronism ! wod increased crime streets batf needed ever blast away good fokes price pay law order country look good people died wars protect great country including \? cigarette cops kicked door cut half machine gun \? could actually happen maybe get wrong address raid home , example 's happened happen heard one instance knock raid going sour recently heard case police raided guy 's home thought dope something guy blew officers away n't go jail judge hearing case ruled man acting self defense arms build waco needed hit compound mega fire power could gone blasting killed women kids would better letting burn death 51 days later sure would way go \? surely fbi atf could handled fiasco better n't massacre people stimpy said fake dad , shame , shame , double shame ! fbi atf ashamed scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject christian morality organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 25 article pww spac at1 59 rice edu , pww spacsun rice edu \( peter simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know learn must accept n't know anyone 's said \? ca n't seems jesus used logic make people using logic look like fools \? , sound right , maybe told fools , 's , people believed hmm , sound reasonable either find always intriguing see people stating transcendental values ca n't explained , next sentence try explain unexplained values highly strange cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
athena mit edu \( \) subject help 3d reconstruction organization massachusetts institute technology lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host 318 1 mit edu hi i'm new imaging , advisor would like 3d reconstructions take slides \( biological \) , image 486 software allows us trace outline objects want save outlines stored tiff file would like convert group outlines 3d image unsure begin someone mentioned could convert tiff vector format could view autocad help would greatly appreciated athena mit edu
rainer sun3 eeam elin co \( rainer hochreiter \) subject gc plane mask organization elin energeanwendung ges b h lines 14 nntp posting host sun3 eeam elin co x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 hi xperts ! get good example plane mask used , explain use hints welcome thanks rainer hochreiter telephone 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3961 elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3387 penzingerstr 76 1141 wien , austria europe e mail rainer elin co
david stat com \( david dodell \) subject medical news part 2 4 reply david stat com \( david dodell \) distribution world organization stat gateway service , wb7tpy lines 707 cut hicnet medical newsletter page 13 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 food drug administration news fda approves depo provera , injectable contraceptive 31 food drug administration immediate release susan \( 301 \) 443 food drug administration today announced approval depo provera , injectable contraceptive drug drug , contains synthetic hormone similar natural hormone progesterone , protects women pregnancy three months per injection hormone injected muscle arm released prevent pregnancy 99 percent effective drug presents another long term , effective option women prevent pregnancy , said fda commissioner david kessler , injectable , given every three months , depo provera eliminates problems related missing daily dose depo provera available 150 mg single dose doctors clinics must given regular basis maintain contraceptive protection patient decides become pregnant , injections products , fda advises patients discuss benefits risks depo provera doctor health care professional making decision use depo provera 's effectiveness contraceptive established extensive studies manufacturer , world health organization health agencies countries u clinical trials , begun 1963 , also found depo provera effective injectable contraceptive common side effects menstrual irregularities weight gain addition , patients may experience headache , , abdominal pain , dizziness , weakness fatigue drug used women acute liver disease , unexplained vaginal bleeding , breast cancer blood clots legs , lungs eyes labeling advises doctors rule pregnancy prescribing drug , due concerns low birth weight babies exposed drug hicnet medical newsletter page 14 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 recent data also demonstrated long term use may contribute manufacturer conduct additional research study potential effect depo provera developed 1960s approved contraception many countries company kalamazoo , mich , market drug name , depo provera contraceptive injection , first submitted approval united states 1970s time , animal studies raised questions potential cause breast cancer worldwide studies since found overall risk cancer , including breast cancer humans , minimal hicnet medical newsletter page 15 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 new rules speed approval drugs life threatening illnesses 37 food drug administration monica \( 301 \) 443 food drug administration today announced soon publish new rules shed approval drugs patients serious life threatening illnesses , aids , cancer alzheimer 's disease final rules help patients suffering serious illnesses get access new drugs months even years earlier would otherwise possible , said hhs secretary louis w sullivan , effort accelerate fda review drugs long term commitment indeed hallmark administration rules establish procedures food drug administration approve drug based surrogate endpoints markers apply drug provides meaningful benefit currently available therapies endpoints would include laboratory tests physical signs constitute clinical effect judged qualified scientists likely correspond real benefits patient use surrogate endpoints measurement drug efficacy permits approval earlier traditional endpoints relief disease symptoms prevention death disease used new rules provide therapies approved soon safety effectiveness , based surrogate endpoints , reasonably established drug 's sponsor required agree continue conduct human studies confirm drug 's effect surrogate indicator clinical effectiveness one new drug \( also called \) approved june 19 , using model process , treating human immunodeficiency virus , hiv , cause aids accelerated approval also used , necessary , fda determines drug , judged effective treatment disease , used safely restricted distribution plan new rules help streamline drug development review process without sacrificing science rigorous fda oversight , said fda commissioner david kessler , drug approval accomplished faster , drugs biological products must still meet safety effectiveness standards required law hicnet medical newsletter page 16 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 new procedures also allow streamlined withdrawal process studies verify drug 's clinical benefit , new evidence drug product shown safe effective , specified circumstances arise necessitate withdrawal drug hicnet medical newsletter page 17 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 articles research shows promise preventing slowing blindness due retinal disease national foundation factors rescue cells animal tests baltimore , md researchers university california san francisco regeneron pharmaceuticals , inc discovered certain naturally occurring substances known factors prevent degeneration light sensing cells retina eye degeneration cells , known , major cause visual research , published december issue proceedings national academy science \( \) , holds promise people may lose sight due progressive retinal degeneration currently , drug treatment retinal degeneration exists estimated 2 5 million americans severe vision loss due age related degeneration 100 , 000 americans affected , hereditary disease causes blindness addition , year 15 , 000 people undergo surgical procedures repair retinal retinal research funded part rp \( \) foundation fighting blindness , regeneron pharmaceuticals national eye institute conducted drs matthew , , douglas , michael roy h steinberg ucsf , dr c , regeneron 's vice president discovery regeneron holds exclusive license research ucsf research described , light damage model used assess survival promoting activity number naturally occurring substances experimental rats exposed constant light one week eyes treated effective factor lost cells rods cones retina light exposure brain derived factor \( \) factor \( \) particularly effective model without causing unwanted side effects factors nerve growth factor \( \) insulin like growth factor \( 1 \) effective experiments discussing research , dr jesse , regeneron 's director clinical research , said , 's ability rescue neurons retina damaged light exposure may hold promise treatment age related degeneration , one leading causes vision , retinal detachment following detachment , permanent vision loss may hicnet medical newsletter page 18 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 result death detached retinal cells possible could play role cells retina surgically slowly progressing disease causes retina degenerate period years even decades vision decreases small tunnel sight result total blindness hope research growth factors provide means slow progression preserve useful vision throughout life , stated felix , ph , director science rp foundation fighting blindness addition work described , regeneron developing conjunction inc possible treatment peripheral associated diabetes cancer chemotherapy , motor neuron diseases , parkinson 's disease , alzheimer 's disease , regeneron testing patients lateral sclerosis \( commonly known lou gehrig 's disease \) regeneron , inc , based , new york , leader discovery development biotechnology based compounds treatment diseases , peripheral nerve injuries , affect seven million americans drs steinberg ucsf consultants regeneron hicnet medical newsletter page 19 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 affluent diet increases risk heart disease research resources reporter written mary nov dec 1992 national institutes health high fat , high diets rapidly increase risk factors coronary heart disease native populations developing countries traditionally consumed diets low fat findings , according investigators oregon health sciences university portland , serious implications public health industrialized developing countries study demonstrates develop coronary heart disease higher blood cholesterol levels shows also importance diet particularly potential diet increase body weight , thereby leading whole host health problems developing countries affluent nations well , explains principal investigator dr william e connor , head section clinical nutrition lipid metabolism oregon health sciences university past 25 years dr connor team characterized food nutrient indians mexico , simultaneously documenting various aspects tarahumara lipid metabolism native mexicans number approximately 50 , 000 reside sierra occidental mountains state chihuahua coupled diet endurance racing probably result , coronary heart disease , prevalent western industrialized nations , virtually non existent culture loosely translated , name tarahumara means fleet foot , reflecting tribal passion betting races , participants run distances 100 miles kicking carved wooden ball typical tarahumara diet consists primarily beans , , , drink made ground roasted corn mixed cold water , together squash fruits vegetables also eat small amounts game , fish , eggs food contains approximately 12 percent total calories fat majority \( 69 percent \) vegetable origin dietician martha , study , describes diet simple rich nutrients low cholesterol fat average plasma cholesterol levels 121 mg dl , low density \( ldl \) cholesterol levels 72 mg dl , high density \( hdl \) cholesterol levels 32 42 mg dl values good , low risk range , according researchers elevated cholesterol ldl cholesterol levels considered risk factors heart hicnet medical newsletter page 20 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 disease hdl cholesterol considered beneficial previous studies found low risk cardiac disease , although able respond high cholesterol diets elevations total ldl cholesterol clinical research center maria teresa established metabolic unit mission school building near community hospital small village food weighed , cooked , fed study participants direct supervision , ensuring subjects ate food stipulated research protocol fasting blood drawn twice weekly , plasma samples frozen shipped dr connors laboratory cholesterol , , analyses regular measurements included participant body weight , height , skin fold thickness thirteen , five women eight men , including one adolescent , fed native diet 1 week , followed 5 weeks affluent diet study went concentration dietary fat 40 percent total calories prototype holiday diet many americans consume diet high fat , sugar , cholesterol , low fiber , dr conners dietary characteristics reflected cholesterol saturation index , csi , recently devised research conner working dr connor csi single number incorporates amount cholesterol amount saturated fat diet csi indicates diet 's potential elevate cholesterol level , particularly ldl , dr connor explains diet averages low csi 20 dr connor 's affluent diet used study ranks csi 149 experimental design study reflects importance establishing baseline plasma lipid levels , typical native diet , exposing subjects experimental diet standard curve relating dietary food intake plasma cholesterol demonstrates , plateau , consumption large amounts fat changes dietary fat cholesterol range little effect plasma levels must baseline diet almost free variables going put experimental diet framingham study , example , discriminate basis diet individuals got heart disease diet already high fat subjects already eating plateau , dr connor says 5 weeks consuming affluent diet , mean plasma cholesterol levels 31 percent , primarily ldl fraction , rose 39 percent hdl cholesterol increased 31 per cent , ldl hdl ratios changed therefore little plasma levels increased 18 percent , subjects averaged 8 pound gain weight according dr connor , lipid changes occurred surprisingly soon , yielding nearly results 7 days affluent diet 35 days hicnet medical newsletter page 21 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 increase hdl carries broad dietary implications industrialized nations think hdl cholesterol increased increased amount dietary fat fat content used previous tarahumara metabolic study study saw change hdl levels raising dietary cholesterol keeping fat relatively consistent native consumption present study increased fat intake 40 percent total calories reached conclusion tarahumara study hdl reflects amount dietary fat general amount dietary cholesterol hdl must increase help fat , increased quite bit study , dr connor explains low hdl typically important predictor coronary heart disease normally consume large amounts fat cholesterol hdl remains important predictor americans usual high fat intake dr connor recommends diet americans contains less 20 percent total calories fat , less 100 mg cholesterol , csi around 20 , varying accordance needs diet low meat dairy fat , high fiber dr connor also comments recent suggestions americans adopt mediterranean style diet original mediterranean diet , pristine state , consisted low intake fat animal dairy products already eating lot meat dairy products simply continue pattern switching olive oil going help situation world health organization \( \) focusing much attention emergence diseases coronary heart disease nations societies undergoing technological development dr connor says coronary heart disease starts given society 's elite , typically eat different diet average citizen pattern increases , entire population higher incidence coronary heart disease , places health care burden society would like developing countries prevent coronary heart disease , concentrate aspects economic development public health measures improve general well , rather paying unnecessary , expensive medical technology , dr connors says overall implication study humans readily move plasma values high risk range within short time affluent , excessive diet present rate coronary heart disease united states 30 percent less 20 years ago , lot accomplished changing rapidly , concludes hicnet medical newsletter page 22 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 general publications health professionals available nci \( 1 93 \) unless otherwise noted , following materials provided free charge calling nci 's publication ordering service , 1 800 4 cancer federal government publications subject copyright restriction , free photocopy nci material general information drug information sheets spanish english two sided fact sheets \( english spanish \) provide information side effects common drugs used treat cancer , proper usage , precautions patients fact sheets prepared united states convention , inc , distribution national cancer institute single sets may ordered cancer rates risks , 3rd edition \( 85 691 \) book compact guide statistics , risk factors , risks major cancer sites includes charts graphs showing incidence , mortality , survival worldwide united states also contains section costs cancer 136 pages diet , nutrition cancer prevention guide food choices \( 87 \) booklet describes known diet , nutrition , cancer prevention provides information foods contain components like fiber , fat , vitamins may affect person 's risk getting certain cancers suggests ways use information select broad variety foods choosing foods less others includes recipes sample menus 39 pages national cancer institute fact book book presents general information national cancer institute including budget data , grants contracts , historical information hicnet medical newsletter page 23 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 national cancer institute grants process \( 91 1222 \) \( revised 3 90 \) booklet describes general nci grant award procedures includes chapters eligibility , preparation grant application , peer review , eligible costs , post award activities 62 pages physician physician perspective clinical trials 15 minute discusses enter patients clinical trials produced collaboration american college surgeons commission cancer students cancer resource educator \( 91 \) \( revised 4 87 \) booklet designed teachers students cancer schools includes explanation cancer , treatment effects , guidelines young person 's entry school dealing terminally ill students bibliographies included educators young people 22 pages understanding immune system \( 92 529 \) booklet describes complex network specialized cells organs make human immune system explains system works fight disease caused invading agents bacteria viruses , sometimes malfunctions , resulting variety diseases allergies , arthritis , cancer developed national institute allergy infectious diseases printed national cancer institute booklet presents college level instruction appropriate nursing students persons receiving college training areas within health professions 36 pages materials help stop tobacco use chew snuff educator package \( 91 \) package contains ten copies chew snuff real bad stuff , brochure designed seventh eighth graders describes health social effects using hicnet medical newsletter page 24 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 smokeless tobacco products fully opened , brochure used poster one copy chew snuff real bad stuff guide make young people aware dangers using smokeless tobacco booklet lesson plan teachers contains facts smokeless tobacco , suggested classroom activities , selected educational resources help patients stop smoking national cancer institute manual physicians \( 92 \) step step handbook smoking cessation techniques medical practices manual , resource lists tear materials , based results nci clinical trials 75 pages help patients stop using tobacco national cancer institute manual oral health team \( 91 \) handbook dentists , dental , dental assistants physicians' manual includes additional information smoking prevention smokeless tobacco use 58 pages pharmacists helping smokers quit kit packet materials help pharmacists encourage smoking patients quit contains pharmacist 's guide self help materials 25 patients school programs prevent smoking national cancer institute guide strategies succeed \( 90 500 \) guide outlines eight essential elements successful school based smoking prevention program based nci research includes list available curriculum resources selected references 24 pages self guided strategies smoking cessation program guide \( 91 \) booklet outlines key characteristics successful self help materials programs based nci collaborative research lists additional resources references 36 pages smoking policy questions answers ten fact sheets hicnet medical newsletter page 25 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 provide basic information establishment smoking policies topics range health effects environmental tobacco smoke legal issues concerning policy implementation strategies control tobacco use united states public health action 1990s \( 92 smoking control monograph 1 \) volume provides summary learned 40 years public health effort smoking , early trial error health information campaigns 1960s nci 's science based project , american stop smoking intervention study cancer prevention , began 1991 offers reasons comprehensive smoking control strategies needed address smoker 's total environment reduce smoking prevalence significantly next decade materials outreach programs cancer prevention early detection community outreach programs health professionals three kits available community program planners health professionals set local cancer prevention early detection education projects right thing get new attitude cancer community outreach program community outreach kit targets black american audiences contains materials help health professionals conduct community education programs black audiences kit emphasizes early detection breast cancer mammography cervical cancer pap test also discusses smoking nutrition kit includes helpful program guidance , facts , news articles , visuals , brochures community outreach program community outreach kit targets hispanic audiences contains bilingual spanish language materials help health professionals conduct community education programs materials educate hispanic audiences early detection breast cancer mammography hicnet medical newsletter page 26 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 cervical cancer pap tests kit also discusses smoking related issues kit includes helpful guidance , facts , news articles , visuals brochures year lifetime community outreach mammography program community outreach kit targets women age 40 supplies community program planners health professionals planning guidance , facts mammography , news articles , visuals brochures making health communication programs work guide \( 92 \) handbook presents key principles steps developing evaluating health communications programs public , patients , health professionals expands upon replaces health communications making work 131 pages support material community outreach programs video slide presentations listed support mammography outreach programs year lifetime videotape 5 minute vhs videotape uses dramatic format highlight important facts early detection breast cancer mammography una al ano para una vida videotape 27 minute spanish videotape informs spanish speaking women need medical screening , particularly mammography explains commonly misunderstood facts breast cancer early detection program , dramatic format , features edward james year lifetime kit \( slide show \) kit includes 66 full color slides number coded , ready read script suitable mammography presentation large group addresses misconceptions prevalent mammography urges women age 40 older get regular mammograms breast cancer detected early possible kit hicnet medical newsletter page 27 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 includes guide , poster , media announcement , news feature , flyer , pamphlets mammography kit available directly writing modern , 5000 park street north , st petersburg , fl end part 2 internet david stat com fax 1 \( 602 \) 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization express access online communications usa lines 95 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr30 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes space walking , going boost hst 's orbit think right 's sitting 180 miles , would like 220 n't know exact orbit numbers ben says boost idea news us know something n't \? please supply source would nice schedulers observations know thing going altitude numbers also way best source minimum st altitude pmdb 573 kilometers maximum st altitude pmdb 603 kilometers delta st altitude pmdb 3 kilometers \( pmdb proposal management data base used schedule observations \) sure numbers far better mine said , n't exact numbers order perform boost hst , oms engines fired long period shuttle heavy thing hst n't light either amount oms fuel needed fly substantial small booster carried used boost hst 's weigh significantly less oms fuel required boost hst shuttle , given orbital change could supply calculations \? might check recent postings explained 'a small suggested exist , comparing mass something n't exist mass oms fuel seems impossible contamination threat also remains different would contamination threat small manuevering tug shuttle 's oms engines \? \? \? \? \? \? know small manuevering tug exists , maybe one could soup bus 1 anyone de specs hte bus 1 \? would able provide enough control force balance hst , still rocket thrust hurl decent high orbit \? hst could even get placed sort medium orbit reason want high orbit , less antenna pointing , longer drag life longer drag life understand , could explain antenna pointing \? sorry , pointing whatever , problem tilt array big constraint hst ops tell although arrays \( \) moved perfectly well utilizing second electronics box getting working much desireable reclaim redundancy plus , second box gets , could ville real fast n't mean jump helpful suggestions always welcome know ideas better , want true situation described clearly correctly , lest get confused regards , wm hathaway problem one seems exact numbers mission planned originally 3 spacewalks , 3 astronauts , enormous concern mass margins flight planned 5 eva 's , 11 day mission 2 reserve eva 's emergency eva obviously coming somewhere guess oms burn fuel , boost margin figured , goldin wants really , prove faster , cheaper better , whiz kids slap together expendable space manuevering tug , use boost better using discovery tow truck pat
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april organization stratus computer , inc lines 67 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article zeus tamu edu , mst4298 zeus tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes david koresh 's lawyer seemed think everyone would come peacefully sooner later fbi atf nothing time hands ! escalate situation cause senseless tragedy \? job protect public save lives kill people crying loud koresh lied lied lied coming compound fbi lawyer everyone keep hearing , every assertion form come government sources except two far concerned , ready koresh ever promised come except first promise last promise first promise conditional audio tape given national exposure well , never broadcast locally , chopped fashion , 's even , cleverly cut got part demanded national exposure , cleverly n't hear last promise conditional finishing manuscript 'll never know would kept one fbi etc ca n't wait forever koresh come long thought koresh 's intended surrender peacefully lost hope , decided go strangely enough , previous day said prepared wait long takes , tactics silly clumsy , obviously intended drive davidians compound , kill koresh followers quite possible arguments intent mark dividing line guilt innocence line murder negligent manslaughter true read paper government listening devices inside compound picked orders burn joint shortly fire started i'm waiting see tapes really hold would interesting development davidian may telling truth , may lying save skin possible murder charges resulting blaze koresh 's lawyer , attorney least one surviving davidian , interest claiming gov't caused fire , least much gov't interest blaming koresh fire 's physical evidence decide 's telling 's tempting one survivors go state 's evidence , parrot fbi story , hang whole suicide koresh , claim stayed gunpoint , etc next weeks , n't prove much none , would strong indication fbi story dead wrong cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 33 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote say scripture man knows hour coming , even angels heaven father \? dk trying play god breaking seals dk killed many followers could btw , god save children heaven , far better place know \? faith seems faith tool available emotional purposes due tragedy maybe fills need , however i'm getting tired see children dying pain sudan due lack food , assuming god takes sufferers heaven painful death children fed , whose fault \? plenty food tables others starve \? god gave us earth manage n't think 're good job consolation suffering children received kingdom heaven never thirst never hunger peace , malcolm lee \) cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host ant occ uc edu organization university cincinnati lines 28 article 1993apr30 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway really come cares hope ms keeps best getting usable productive software masses thx dave l think windows useable , must use much windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir \( air \) bag expensive add brett brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u cincy catch cats college engineering friends n't let friends windows th week think 's wrong believe ism , believe
cck coventry ac uk \( crowley \) subject 3 5 floppy reads wrote nntp posting host cc sysk organization coventry university lines 27 article netx com netx com \( peter \) writes gateway 3 5 floppy drive reads files wrote floppy floppies formatted contain files machines unreadable also , 3 5 floppies written defective floppy drive long time ago also unreadable sounds like head alignment problem one go fixing \? alignment screws adjust \? thanks advance responses peter friend mine problem , turned floppy set 5 1 4 1 2mb drive instead 3 5 1 44mb might help matt crowley 'just remember 'll known , deep uk ac coventry cck inside , enough bastard worth liking '
rpi edu \( jim ault \) subject question representation nntp posting host jacob rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute lines 21 debate student government university , question raised one student senator represent people n't vote \? implication , raises different question represent people n't vote \? feel many good reasons anyone elected public office \( student government government \) strive represent people \( class '95 geographical area , whatever \) would like help others phrasing reasonable argument topic thanks followups directed talk politics misc , email preferred jim ault , systems programmer , rpi , troy , ny 12180 usa rpi edu
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject emergency brake opel \( '86 nissan maxima \) keywords nissan organization university westminster lines 5 since 're subject brakes anyone know 4wd vauxhall opel drive rear wheels brakes applied \? vauxhall boast car stable fwd mode braking 4wd mode \? shaz
yfn ysu edu \( thomas smith \) subject hp deskjet 500c organization youngstown state youngstown free net lines 9 nntp posting host yfn ysu edu try using laser printer copier paper , works quite well cheaper paper thomas smith ii youngstown state university chemistry dept yfn ysu edu
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject point polygon routine needed organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 18 andrew lewis andrew cmu edu writes n't know routine standard , came recently polygon points p1 pn , point p , make table follows \( 1 \) angle p1 p p2 \( 2 \) angle p2 p p3 \( n \) angle pn p p1 express angles pi angle pi add entries table sum 0 , point outside sum pi , point inside point , strange polygon angle pi , point border think 's known , 's neat extended 3d \? john nagle
byron u washington edu \( joseph \) subject great comeback sabres , changing goalie ! organization university washington , seattle lines 7 distribution na reply u washington edu nntp posting host byron u washington edu sabres finished great four wins boston sabres players contribute great wins talent players including , fuhr , impressed skills showed art sport , like garbage speech coach 's corner go ! make popular , make exciting less violent !
\( sean garrison \) subject best first basemen nntp posting host berkeley kstar node net yale edu organization yale univeristy lines 17 article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu wrote mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! actually , keith hernandez best sean behind bag ! vin scully
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 25 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , lusky ccwf cc utexas edu \( jonathan r lusky \) says article 93112 psuvm psu edu psuvm psu edu writes i'm familiar trannies used winston cup , trans cars 've played transmissions racing variety , dog clutches instead transmission dog clutches , gears always engaged moving dog clutches engages gears shafts motorcycle transmissions way shifting without clutch transmission cause transmission damage , question long grenade something \( trans 87 pulsar se , 3 5k miles , weak tranny first place \) curiosity , dog clutch different synchro transmission described sounds fact , little 've studied trannies , instructor referred synchros dogs said synonymous gears always meshed synchronized gearbox , slip synchro gears back forth shifting least , taught explain , por favour \? thanx drew ps email 's fine inappropriate , i'm n't know diff
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 47 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu midwest micro , article \( last \) newsgroups comp dcom modems , comp sys ibm pc hardware , misc consumers wilson schaefer math wisc edu \( bob wilson \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) date thu apr 22 15 12 28 1993 posted almost bad experience midwest micro news program sent one paragraph middle addition facts \( \) modems \( ordered two \) would n't work documented \( b \) tech person clue work , also turned \( c \) one two modems sent clearly used techs thought standard practice \( \) modems made three floppy drives quit working tape drive start running away incompetent one thing , sell used stuff new wo n't even apologize another stay away crooks ! bob wilson shown 97 , press space , quit , 'h' help wilson math wisc edu end file , press return quit bob , walked micro center cleveland area bought new track ball picked one sealed plastic rap get home find good year old used dirty old track ball warranty card software package would never even think installing anything looked like used called micro made pull tag would picked sent one day things get better knowing equipment first try ! gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) subject cruel \( political atheists \? \) organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 52 article 6e1 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr17 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes according jerry 's absence sacred \( good book , btw \) , great binding law iroquois confederacy also played significant role model u constitution furthermore , apparently marx engels strongly influenced study iroquois society , using prime example successful , , egalitarian , society goes say u u r would well study original document , figure went wrong , try get right next time 's fascinating heard chinese , rather italians , invented pasta 's fascinating take 're expressing skepticism idea ignorant savages could influenced constitution people stole continent could right , sounds plausible reason dismiss hand \? 's recent scholarship shown mid indians invited participate deliberations founding fathers , great binding law iroquois confederacy arguably became single important model albany plan union , later articles confederation constitution would absent school texts , history , media surprising given devotion americans feel founding myth great men gathered express new vision withstood test time revealed indians role , imagine blow american , men others gathered albany plan union , first try confederation , invited forty two members iroquois grand council serve advisors structures benjamin franklin freely acknowledged interest iroquois achievement famous speech albany congress would strange thing six nations ignorant savages sic capable forming union able execute manner ages appears , yet like union impractical ten dozen english colonies according , franklin meetings iroquois chiefs congressional delegates order hammer plan similar iroquois confederacy professor donald , jr , university california riverside whose book iroquois founding fathers american nation addresses issue doug graham dgraham bnr ca opinions
lynn anderson dba lynn cs cmu edu subject revised easy read bom available ! x sender mach cs cmu edu \( \) originator sp cs cmu edu nntp posting host sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 51 pleased announce revised version easy read book mormon \( former title mormon 's book \) lynn matthews anderson available anonymous ftp \( see information \) addition change title , revised bom shortened several pages \( eliminating many 's 's \) , many \( minor \) errors corrected release includes simplified joseph smith story , testimonies three eight witnesses , words know glossary previous announcement , readers reminded profit endeavor copyrighted work , people welcome make verbatim copies personal use people actual costs printing \( paper , copy center charges \) , may charge anything time making copies , way realize profit use book see notice book precise terms negotiations currently underway mormon publisher vis vis printing distribution bound books \( sorry , i'm wire bound first editions \) make another announcement availability printed copies everything worked ftp information connect via anonymous ftp itc cmu edu , cd pub \( wo n't see anything \) easy read book mormon currently available postscript rtf \( rich text format \) \( ascii , latex , versions made available contact dba andrew cmu edu details \) able print postscript file postscript printer \( apple laserwriter \) let dba know difficulties \( postscript last release problems printers time work better \) rtf standard document interchange format read number word processors , including microsoft word macintosh windows n't postscript printer , may able use rtf file print copy book r r r 1 dba apr 27 13 12 ps r r r 1 dba apr 27 13 13 rtf information project came , please refer article current issue , entitled issues surrounding simple modern english book mormon send inquiries comments lynn matthews anderson hampton street pittsburgh , pa dba lynn cs cmu edu
pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) subject kubota kenai denali specs nntp posting host bambam reply pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) organization evans sutherland computer corp , salt lake city , ut lines 30 article names nerdc ufl edu , lioness maple circa ufl edu writes okay , got enough replies kubota kenai denali systems post summary capabilities graphics transform modules 1 6 1 6 frame buffer modules 5 , 10 , 20 5 , 10 , 20 frame buffer 1280x1024x24bit 1280x1024x24bit double buffered double buffered z buffer 24 bit 24 bit alpha 8 bit 8 bit mean either alpha , simultaneously \? stereo support yes yes machines double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output rs 170a , ntsc , pal question , mean either double buffering stereo , simultaneously \? paul pmartz dsd es com evans sutherland
cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) subject burden proof organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host vesta unm edu hamilton hydra cs gmr com \( bill hamilton \) writes cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) writes ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes note followups go alt atheism , talk religion misc , talk origins ! deleted deleted say x statement give authority fact , respond asking n't obligated say anything , intent convince x statement true , yes , burden proof upon interesting stuff , lines burden proof belongs god merely giving testimony beliefs , egotist please excuse missed earlier part thread bill came across like egotist saw simply obedience scriptural command always ready give reason joy remainder article deleted stated one would egotist believe someone cared bill r thought needed say god whether irrelevant jumping trailer , always ready etc , goes right back burden proof question go ahead give reason think god exists , state thing bill hamilton chris faehl cfaehl vesta unm edu
dev ecn purdue edu \( larry weeks \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 35 dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) wrote microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway really come cares hope ms keeps best getting usable productive software masses personally , 'll blasphemous say microsoft keeps well , hope see much stricter copyright patent laws computer algorithms , concepts , interfaces , intellectual properties protect real 'd hate one actually , microsoft come like huge use brute mass \( development staff , marketing , etc \) get fat innovation n't much sympathy apple 's complaint microsoft , since took ideas xerox 's pa research center federal government forced xerox disclose patents antitrust fears however , companies individuals great idea , yet get borrowed larger corporations afford quickly bring market , without licensing original , feel much sympathy larry larry weeks fight monsters make sure dev ecn purdue edu process become monster , look long abyss abyss also looks friedrich
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject xv problems lines 69 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc distribution inet article avt cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes article 1993apr27 nessie mcc ac uk c c lilley mcc ac uk writes moved bit wrote something making color modifications quickly 8bit quantized images saving image file process make modifications 24bit image makes sense , main use xv viewing images many changes image , keep modifications buffer making operations 24bit image , simplify operation list unnecessary operations think saying 24 bit image 8 bits many colours mapped onto single palette colour colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways want apply modifications back 24 bit file , find colours mapped one palette colour ok could copying 24 bit file 32 bit file using extra 8 bits hold index entry done , need something , exactly \? apply difference rgb original modified palette entry colour group \? could generate colours rgb outside range 0 255 would also lead different parts smooth colour gradient mapped several different palette entries could interpolate full modification modification depending far colour palette entry however suspect would look rather odd summary , said previous posting still holds would suggest colour editing 24 bit file \? would group 'related' colours edit together \? global changes could done unless software different much complicated want colour editing 24 bit image , need much powerfull software readily available commercially words , edit 24 bit file need software built job mods onto xv going create problems solves bits seemed claiming bugs xv meant , \( misunderstood wrote done many places far \) yes , probably found collected digest format posting made little difficult understand precisely point sorry misunderstood also missed \( \) wrong xv however , wrote yes \( \? \) wrong xv \? chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 21 reply cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu , deceive everone thinking latter day saints undergone undue persecution years believing religion , perhaps would like tell us happened mountain meadow massacres killings done blood atonement doctrine , command brigham young \? n't tell us , tony \? i'm sure think know adds lot casper n't frustrate consider many intelligent , thoughtful people prepared mormon missionaries rant \? talk , better look nothing makes truth look better background falsehood sic 'em , tony ! john w redelfs , cj195 cleveland freenet edu opinions tentative pending data
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject centi milli pedes organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 16 nntp posting host saltillo cs utexas edu article 1993apr28 nmt edu msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) writes anyone know posionous centipedes millipedes \? 's around \( austin \) sting centipedes question rebecca snyder asks much like asking snakes \? one either wants ask snake \? point reference many different species snake similarly , many different species \( different families millipedes two pairs legs per body segment , centipedes one pair \) sorry information useful russell
fi \( teppo nieminen \) subject kawi kz 750 partial engine \? organization helsinki school economics business administration , finland keywords kawasaki lines 25 kawasaki kz 750 l4 2 3 play pedal axle , words , move axle sideways direction n't bother riding , guess fixing would n't hurt last summer took bike shop valves adjusted , mechanic mentioned easy job would remove front sprocket cover replace bushing seal would find well , upon closer inspection discovered axle n't even run sprocket cover seems , addition removing cover , would least remove sprocket cover behind sprocket question would removing small cover left side engine enable lay hands bushing seal \( n't know exact term english , sorry \) \? question anybody done job purpose \? oil , example , stay inside engine \? thanks ! teppo nieminen dod 2000 zoo mc helsinki finland
dmeier casbah acns nwu edu \( douglas meier \) subject message mr president know happened \? keywords success nntp posting host casbah acns nwu edu organization northwestern university , evanston il lines 5 douglas c meier ca n't play electro magnetic golf northwestern university , acns according rules university commie huxley , brave new world lib pinko views dmeier casbah acns nwu edu
lazio astrosun tn cornell edu \( joseph lazio \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization department astronomy , cornell university lines 17 fph cunews carleton ca 1993may16 ucsu colorado edu reply lazio astrosun tn cornell edu nntp posting host seti tn cornell edu reply fcrary ucsu colorado edu 's message sun , 16 may 1993 14 31 20 gmt sun , 16 may 1993 14 31 20 gmt , fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) said fc modern , fc ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed fc orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field fc opacity distortions caused atmosphere fc driven field use radio , far infrared space based fc telescopes 's one radio astronomer quite concerned radio frequency interference portable telephones , etc e mail lazio astrosun tn cornell edu joseph lazio phone \( 607 \) 255 6420 icbm 42 deg 20' 08 n 76 deg 48 w cornell knows exist \? ! \? stop rape
pngai adobe com \( phil ngai \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization adobe systems incorporated lines 15 article 1993apr23 icd ab com kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) writes fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? could lot reasons , james wo n't know survivors allowed speak , rather fbi spokesman survivors interviewed tv going returning court basically said , way kind suicide pact attempt remember texas holocaust
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject part n't understand \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 29 hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com \( eric rescorla \) writes high school instance , dear principal ended moment silence amen extremely good example evidence ! every time right wing control freaks start spouting prayer schools , get nagging commentary sermon mount matt 6 5 6 pray , imitate hypocrites love say prayers standing synagogues street corners people see tell , reward pray , go private room , shut door , pray father secret place want public prayers , better manipulate children amen indeed pro school prayer types stop trying sneak religion , 'll stop opposing everything even looks remotely like religion , thank hope n't mind say amen \? \) michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) subject cults \( keeps going \? \) organization sun lines 26 nntp posting host hernes sun article sbuckley sfu ca sbuckley fraser sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) writes muttiah ecn purdue edu \( ranjan muttiah \) writes mr clinton said today horrible tragedy waco fiasco remind join cults dangers , began scratching head thinking \( bad sign \) , n't mainstream religions \( case christianity 7th day adventist particular \) keep guys going \? n't mr clinton condemning religion \? , n't cult \? bad thoughts well depends whether take literal dictionary definition cult say faiths cults , take social context view cult allows recognize mainstream religions socially acceptable cults groups involve techniques brain washing characteristics define oppressive best word cult behaviour understanding academic use word cult group people oriented around single authority figure need religious however , seen plenty religious cults , including mainstream eric
anthony lest lest ucsu colorado edu subject 2nd cfv soc religion islam ahmadiyya moderated organization colorado edu lines 249 gnu ai mit edu nntp posting host rodan uu net call votes official 2nd call votes newsgroup name proposed newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya charter religious newsgroup , would mainly devoted understanding appraisal ahmadiyya muslim community , beliefs , ideology philosophy also discuss distinction ahmadiyya muslim community branches islam addition newsgroup also discuss beliefs , teachings , philosophy major religions pro universal religious appreciation , awareness , tolerance newsgroup may also used post important religious events within world wide ahmadiyya islamic community voting instructions voting held since first call votes appeared \( may 4 , 1993 \) , continue untill may 25 , 1993 \( 23 59 59 gmt \) votes received within period gives total 21 days vote votes favor creation proposed newsgroup sent form e mail message yes ucsu colorado edu clear statement body message like vote yes soc religion islam ahmadiyya vote favor r etc similarly votes proposed newsgroup sent form e mail message ucsu colorado edu clear statement body message like vote soc religion islam ahmadiyya vote creation r etc may also include vote subject header mail please make sure include full name , mailer one person may vote matter many e mail accounts one vote per person shall considered valid ambiguous votes like vote yes r , shall considered comments would counted votes votes received 23 59 59 gmt , may 25 , 1993 , valid counted event multiple votes received person , last one counted change mind regarding way voted , send new vote , previous vote shall discarded posting usenet counted vote please send votes e mail address per son posted votes shall counted either note acknowledgement shall sent everyone votes two additional cfv 's posted course vote number \( \) yes votes disclosed voting period , end votes shall made public purpose newsgroup following main purposes group shall achieve \) highlight common beliefs major religions philosophical traditions relate ahmadiyya muslim community ii \) discuss doctrines , origin teachings ahmad muslim community , dynamic world wide movement iii \) expound islamic teachings beliefs holy quran islamic traditions ahmadiyya islamic perspective iv \) emphasize discuss similarities ahmadi muslims followers religions world explore understanding respect 's faith brought eliminate religious malice among people religious phil traditions v \) look origin teachings religions general islam ahmadiyya muslim movement par , use origin foster better understanding among ahmadi muslims people promote acceptance fundamental rights freedom conscience vi \) point current world problems suggest solutions problems , offered different religions systems ethical philosophies vii \) investigate implications science religion particular emphasis ahmadi muslim perspective , openness dialogue people religions philosophical traditions reasoned positions relationship religion empirical science , logic , scientific ethics viii \) exchange important news views ahmadiyya muslim community religions ix \) add diversity existing religious newsgroups pre sent usenet interest promoting forum dialogue x \) inquire religious persecution rise world suggest solutions remedy ever situation world general islamic world particular xi \) commemorate contributions humanity , society world peace made founders followers religions general international ahmadiyya muslim community particular type group moderated orderly free religious moderation prevent disagreement , dissent , controversy based difference beliefs doctrine rather , moderators seek mainly discourage tory , abusive , language , introduction issues irrelevant based provisions charter moderators chosen personal e mail general consensus among proponents discussion news groups following moderators proposed agreed upon moderator nabeel rana rana rintintin colorado edu co moderator dr ijaz ijaz ccu umanitoba ca brief description ahmadiyya islam ahmadiyya movement islam , international organi , found , india founder movement , ahmad \( 1835 \) , proclaimed promised age scriptures almost major religions world claimed fulfillment long awaited second comming jesus christ \( metaphorically \) , muslim mahdi , promised messiah claims ahmad raised storms hostility extreme opposition , often witnessed history divine reformers even today sect persecuted ly muslim regimes right ahmadi muslims openly practice religion define muslims severely restricted many muslim countries united nations , human rights organizations amnesty international top countries voiced concerns denial basic human civil members movement , far avail despite opposition persecution , movement cont grow current membership millions around world 130 countries , come diverse ethnic backgrounds movement devoted world peace towards developing better understanding religions ahmadi muslims always opposed forms violence , bigotry , intolerance fundamentalism among many activities , sect es network hundreds schools , hospitals , clinics many third world countries institutions staffed volunteer professionals fully financed movement 's internal resources movement stresses importance tion leadership members included high number professionals well world class individuals ahmadiyya mission bring universal moral reform , establish peace justice , unite mankind one universal brotherhood newsgroup creation discussion proposed newsgroup ended voting held three weeks news group gets 2 3rd majority 100 yes create votes n't create votes newsgroup shall created vote taker mr anthony lest asked proponents newsgroup act official impartial vote taker proposed newsgroup objection use workstation purpose vote taking neither university , anthony lest anything proposal newsgroup collecting votes neutral third party questions comments questions comments proposed newsgroup may sent nabeel rana rana rintintin colorado edu questions problems voting sent anthony lest lest ucsu colorado edu
wes uf msc edu \( wes barris \) subject help need 24 bits viewer keywords 24 bit reply wes msc edu organization ahpcrc , minnesota supercomputer center lines 22 article 1993apr27 nessie mcc ac uk , lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) writes article seti inria fr , deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) writes i'm looking program able display 24 bits images using sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running x11 utah raster toolkit using getx11 convert sun raster files \( presumably \) ppm pbm toolkit convert ppm utah rle format ppmtorle provided toolkit use urt tool seem remember xloadimage 24 bit servers yes , newer xli wes barris ph \( 612 \) 626 minnesota supercomputer center , inc email wes msc edu
lmtra uts amdahl com \( leon traister \) subject hypertension organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 11 somewhere read person chinese heritage told high blood pressure responded eating \( sorry , n't recall dosage \) apparently supposed work reducing hypertension anyone verify \? work , anyone know appropriate amounts possible side effects \? thanks , leon traister \( lmtra uts amdahl com \)
cc usu edu subject wanted 386dx 33 motherboard organization utah state university lines 10 anyone wants sell used 386dx 33 motherboard \? one please let know price specification also interested buying trident vga card \( 1meg \) park
scr siemens com \( anthony \) subject oh make mind ! ! \( xv problems \) nntp posting host siemens com organization siemens lines 11 \) xv load 24 bit image , display 's 24 bit glory 24 bit x displays b \) operations \( crop , dither , smooth , etc \) supported 24 bit images hard would \? type xloadimage getx11 instead xv 8
chapman cs sfu ca \( john chapman \) subject tiff file viewer needed organization css , simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 13 hello need file viewer 24 bit tiff images , run windows \( 3 1 matters \) alternatively package run x server top windows would well unfortunately budget limited whatever end using public domain inexpensive thanks advance help , john chapman cs sfu ca
al qiclab scn rain com \( alan peterman \) subject auto air conditioning without freon article qiclab 1993apr24 distribution usa organization scn research qic laboratories tigard , oregon lines 21 article 1993apr22 convex com tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes better still , years ago demonstrated cold air system used air called rovax unit worked well , short coming seal technology today \? actually company , product stood rotary air conditioning used rotary compressor effectively air air heat , worked pretty well negatives mostly 5 10 less efficient using freon , noise problems high velocity pressure air , solved time company went bankrupt still legal entity florida , believe completely dead 's heck buy 's patents restart operation alan l peterman \( 503 \) 684 1984 hm work al qiclab scn rain com 's odd get older , days longer , years shorter !
chein eng auburn edu \( \) subject 12 35 new opened softwares games nntp posting host wilbur eng auburn edu organization auburn university engineering distribution usa lines 48 following softwares sale new items \( never opened \) 1 lucid 3 , three dimensional spreadsheet pull menus , line help , 8 pages notes behind every cell dynamic detail , 3 capability , compatible lotus 1 2 3 , etc 15 including shipping \( manual , 5 25 disks \) 2 turbo pascal express 250 ready run assembly language routines make turbo pascal faster , powerful , easier use book 2 5 25 disks 15 \( including shipping \) 3 dr halo iii much icon driven paint program 's complete page composition presentation graphics package automatic aspect ratio correction wysiwyg printing true color grey scale output partial screen prints 3 5 25 disks manual 12 \( including shipping \) 4 key form designer plus software making professional business forms 3 5 disks manual 25 plus shipping obo like new items \( package opened registered \) 1 ii advanced tactical fighter f 23 well f 14 , f 16 , f 18 , f 22 3 25 disks manuals 30 plus shipping obo 2 f stealth fighter 2 0 definitive simulation america 's radar elusive jet sensational sound , nine world 's hot spots cuba , north korea , kuwaiti theatre operations , central europe , north cape , libya , persian f , vietnam middle east awesome missions challenge 5 25 disks manual 35 plus shipping obo 3 grammatik iv 20 plus shipping 4 quattro pro 1 0 make offer 5 gem chart , graphics , word , publisher , v 3 0 make offer items ibm compatible systems
subject source code help ip packages \( please \) ! ironbark ucnv edu au \( vance \) distribution world organization dept computing , ucnv , , australia nntp posting host ironbark ucnv edu au lines 44 greetings general call information regarding image processing looking material related field , also trying get hands easy use packages related field particular source code general use packages already several texts subject , would appreciate input people knowledgable field i'm mathematically literate \( ie n't degree mathematics \) , material suggested would prefer mathematically intensive best book found subject moment practical digital image processing lewis isbn 0 13 2 published ellis \( c \) 1990 likewise trying get fair sample programs demonstrate image processing techniques far , unix 2 1' ibm pc , various related c code help describe topics like , , dithering , image enhancement via convolution etc anyone could kindly supply public domain software pertinent area , better still could tell likely find aarnet \( internet \) would prefer source code c turbo pascal includes image processing code algorithms , readily alter manipulate purposes demonstration would helpful information contribute post graduate studies , liberally used paper , seminar subject thanks advance vance diploma advanced computing thinking dangerous , subversive , leads astray ironbark ucnv edu au redgum ucnv edu au
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject rabin palestinians nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 15 05 01 00 1993 lines 85 center policy research cpr subject rabin palestinians rabin 's plans palestinian police \( front , alternative information center , jerusalem , 5 may 1993 \) decision view setting local police force \( sic \) palestinians central issue peace talks resumed next week even subjects like elections territories areas framework autonomy sign israeli government 's serious attitude towards peace process setting police force part , deals heart substance palestinian struggle national identity turns , main objective guiding prime minister setting palestinian police force apparently also supported foreign minister peres ensure holding democratic elections territories thus writes editorial \( israeli daily hadashot , 23 april \) , position thinking commentators dealt issue past two weeks stand settlers parties , also interpret decision encourage establishment palestinian police force significant step towards real autonomy , something restrict done jewish settlers west bank gaza strip variety demonstrations , including street theater 'what happen palestinian police , elements attempting israeli public pressure rabin go back decision members movement even begun organize police occupied territories , counter balance future palestinian police force however , points , main function new police force far israeli government concerned nothing settlers , apparently authority , control political groups within palestinian population , government interested writes according ideas currently taking shape , setting local police force territories precede , stage , also final stages preparing interim autonomy agreement willingness israeli government set local palestinian police force evidence government serious arriving settlement palestinians 's wonder palestinian public also greatly worried new israeli initiative inevitable pressure brought bear faisal husseini rest delegation members , variety directions , refuse gift rabin would like give stage , looks like palestinians cooperating fulfillment plans comment e numerous palestinians fear israel might succeed co palestinian circles idea fear palestinian police force , controlled fact israel , might act even brutally idf idea using surrogate police force new used israel lebanon used nazis control jewish ghetto
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject jack morris organization university virginia lines 41 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes cannot isolate total contribution player position makes team 's victory since cannot make measure complete confidence objectivity , since absolutely necessary reason make kind subjective measurement submit pointless gm trying put together winning team might consider era , might consider attitude , might consider past performance key situations looking player considers best gm looking player thinks help team win cannot isolate completely , roger , make pretty good estimate wo n't claim split hairs say really measure better , robby alomar carlos baerga , last year difference close call larkin lee \? clemens morris \? differences great measure game , team ever replace single player \? since clearly best , better \? yet every team always find someplace beleive improve team always find player little better one already \( btw , definitions , best player one things help team win allow could vary depending else team , one team needs others \) baseball team game , made individual talents absurd judge success failure individual success failure teammates , choose \( least cases \) morris last year played team joe carter , robby alomar , tom henke , juan guzman , john olerud , et al clemens lost surrounded lesser performers herm , luis rivera , jeff reardon define quality team sum components \( , albeit \) lesser error defining quality individual mean quality team \( reading arguments suggests \) clay
jbs rti rti org subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization joe 's bar grill lines 108 article 1993apr26 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia n't care cults 's language problem problem religious fanatics \( claiming god little bit unsettling \) stockpiling several years' supply canned foods crime enough weapons hold company crime \( mention atf , ed first place \) talking 're going take care unbelievers crime also substantiation claim koresh said one never heard mentioned hear \? granted , moment , 'd done nothing wrong recognize respect moment \? one decided anyone claims god longer protection constitution \? happened separation church state \? atf discovers n't proper permits purchases failed pay taxes yet see evidence , either hear original warrant \( reason feb raid \) still sealed unsealed seem warrants taken initial raid several parents come forward demand previous charges child abuse interviews parents whose children compound point funny , n't seen interviews interesting social services agencies investigated koresh previous charges , found absolutely evidence abuse parents claimed psychological sexual abuse childrens' statements supported charges funny , n't remember hearing anything childrens' statements , either say heard \? heard none children left compound early seige exhibited signs typical abuse , physical mental newspaper national tv news also hear 's job batf fbi lay siege homes child abuse suspected \? thought 'no knock \? ' really n't heard anything clearly another guy minding business clearly \? please tell us koresh construed minding business batf raided place hell , give guns world n't bother anyone scary sort , n't think \? sort person 'd want daughter date \? n't think reason number one doubt legal statements made survivors logic amazes think grandparents died auschwitz would turning graves could hear throw away people 's protection law think 're scary sort person 'd want daughter date sort people suppose nazis thought grandparents \? probably sort 'd want little dating \( note made , ' well hesitate say trained killers \) next suppose 'll tell us exactly well trained killers killed \? fired atf 's little mistake , red white blue american defending home big brother shit n't fly said , right \? right anyone background shoot kill federal law enforcement officials good citizen whose crusade enjoys support someone different background , say someone n't claim messiah , book could shoot kill federal law enforcement officials would good citizen whose crusade enjoys support \? 's loose cannon opinion worth paper 's printed 're amazing , simply amazing joe
zeus tamu edu \( andrew \) subject 386 25 sale complete system organization texas university , academic computing services lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 following system sale 386dx 25mhz \( dtk motherboard intel microprocessor \) 64k external cache 4 megs ram 89 meg harddrive \( ide controller \) 1 2 meg floppy drive 1 44 meg floppy drive 2 serial ports 1 parallel port samsung vga monitor svga graphics card \( tseng labs w 1meg \) awesome card 101 key keyboard 2400 baud internal modem software ms dos 6 0 procomm plus ver 2 0 norton utilities ver 4 5 various utilities i'm upgrading need sell system reliable ready go 've never problems i'm asking 1000 b 're interested , please respond either e mail phone zeus tamu edu 409 696 thanks , andrew
miranda com \( sean \) subject choice gauges organization observatory software lines 21 article vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com \( dave gauge \) writes free reign design instrument cluster , gauges would choose beyond basic set \? turbo boost necessary car fuel reserve warning coolant level warning would also nice gauge would cycle across different sensors fi system o2 sensor , altitude , air flow 'd love get tranny diff brake temp would great big ass tach \) sean labs , mitchell , , , inc sean , ruler realm com
neff physics uiowa edu \( john neff \) subject space offs nntp posting host pluto physics uiowa edu organization university iowa lines 23 article bigboote wpi edu wpi wpi edu \( william f brown \) writes wpi wpi edu \( william f brown \) subject space offs date 30 apr 1993 19 27 24 gmt wanted point , teflon n't space program wwii nuclear weapons development program pipes system uranium lined uranium chemical turned enrichment massively corrosive even stainless hence need inert line pipes teflon molecular sockets bound already , 2 sense worth bill invented 1958 wilson american biomedical engineer bill authorizing nasa signed october 1958 clear nasa nothing invention
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject two questions organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 23 article sbanka vm temple edu sbanka vm temple edu writes 'd appreciate help anyone could give two questions brady bill news throughout 1992 actually happened congress \? bush veto \? , \? brady bill passed house 1992 , failed reach vote senate , never reached bush \( sarah brady 's condemnation withstanding \) 'll probably pass house , probably pass senate get vote whether 'll busy things question n't expect ho opposition part senate republicans , since wo n't want use fillibuster trump card david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? organization skulls 'r us lines 32 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu extended ka bands recently bought 2 band detector guys must think i'm nuts , right \? well , little research ka usage area found ka currently used state well surrounding states 's found cop friend spend time nailing n't even know ka 's heard k , use explained ka used photo radar etc said , yeah , ka stands k automatic went say plans made getting laser guns far going high tech concerned , n't know much 8 year old 2 band consistently going speed traps , even real sneaky ones called escort shop , confirmed ka used surrounding states claim laser used lot , quite skeptical end , instead spending lot money waiting months state art detector , got low priced , high performance 2 band escort 2200 incidentally performance equal top line model x k band detection know escort surpassed brands lately , 've never fully relied detector convinced escorts would least quite good , good enough wallet eliot
christopher vance adfa oz au \( christopher js vance \) subject mormon temples organization computer science , university college , unsw adfa , canberra , australia lines 32 article may 14 02 11 39 1993 athos rutgers edu shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) writes early church history , dismissed prior celebration eucharist secret , giving rise rumors christians problem idea dismissed eucharist considered qualified participate sorts perverse claims actions considered holy observed non christians , well potentially dangerous individual christian might identified dismissal early church mean eucharist secret \? mean , n't stay , membership participate really n't hang around yes , know 're obliged keep attendance qualify , exception , okay \? may stay happens next secret reason conduct business meetings church , 've made clear members vote 've always happy non members stay observe evidence intentional secrecy \? \( rumours , always happen things approved power \? \) christopher
cc gatech edu \( edward j gallant iii \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows organization college computing , georgia tech lines 39 article , rtsg mot com \( eric \) writes pm860605 longs lance colostate edu \( peter j mckinney \) writes price pc xview dos 445 00 1 1780 00 5 ncd announced new generation pc xview changed name little though ca n't remember exactly pc supports windows press release implies since 's still priced 500 range 's feature full buy anything else \? \( disclaimer direct quote literature , think sums also , never used product \) 's called pc based ncd ware , x terminal software \( , imho , excellent \) pc include x remote optimized 32 bit machines 's x11r5 based support remote management , etc ncd employee , fan \) edward j gallant iii georgia tech station atlanta , georgia 30332 e mail cc gatech edu phone \( 404 \) 853
carson u washington edu \( keith frederick \) subject loaded apple e system sale summary apple e w 2 5 25 drives , 1 3 5 drive , etc sale article shelley distribution usa organization university washington , seattle lines 32 nntp posting host carson u washington edu apple e system sale apple e , enhanced , cpu w 64k motherboard apple extended 80 column card expands memory 128k total 2 5 25 floppy drives \( apple disk 's \) apple controller card 1 3 5 floppy drive \( apple \) apple controller card apple monochrome monitor 2 apple super serial cards 2400 baud external modem original documentation dos 3 3 system software talk cheap communications software \( original w docs \) forth \( original w docs \) , fig forth w original docs super sunday game \( original w docs \) game \( original w docs \) books 6502 systems programming , apple graphics arcade game design , apple machine language beginners 250 \( shipping probably 20 30 \) questions , please e mail reasonable offers considered keith r frederick happiness moral purpose \( 206 \) 285 1576 see dr fu , kill ! carson u washington edu reason absolute i'm number , i'm free man ! cis , road cornell
nx39 mik uky edu \( jerry marvin \) subject looking grating glasses quantity nntp posting host nx39 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 5 yeah , sums looking place sells grating goggles quantity thanks
gwalker rtfm mlb fl us \( grayson walker \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) keywords boycott geico organization distribution usa lines 35 article dove nist gov keys starchild ncsl nist gov \( lawrence b keys \) writes article murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident n't worry 'll drop like hot potato make claim 'll make filing claim pain , end leave 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \) geico funded company developed locals showed reluctance buy units , geico started giving away know 've given units florida highway patrol , county sheriff 's local governments real question \? hook geico , ins co tell drivers represent risk determination make receive speeding ticket one geico 's units drivers represent increased risk even ticket two , gives opportunity raise rates equal risk 's called extra profits also know silly nsl , almost universally ignored driving excess nsl gets ticket , increase rates , points license n't make driver insure like sound \? like people thought scheme \? go geico ! unless driving history problems , 're usually better go one major companies stay 'll get long term customer discounts premiums , premium paid commission 's another story another day
sirosh cs utexas edu \( joseph sirosh \) subject encapsulated postscript x organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 7 nntp posting host cs utexas edu keywords eps view eps files x \? image color encapsulated postscript , need view screen utilities let convert encapsulated postscript plain postscript \? joseph sirosh
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 164 article may 11 02 36 34 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( someone named mark \) writes mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes homosexual christians indeed checked verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues see verses clearly address issues , exactly zero verses clearly address issues however , couple seem though require incredibly perverse interpretations order seen condemning homosexuality kind interpretation see incredibly perverse applied story sodom blanket equation homosexual behavior rape since christians citing bible context presumed least read story , amounts slander charge homosexuality rape use us deceived neither fornicators , idolators , adulterers , effeminate , homosexuals , thieves , covetous , drunkards , revilers , swindlers , shall inherit kingdom god cor 6 9 11 moderator adequately discusses circularity use porneia think agree \( paul \) kinds activity could named fornication theft would well deserve condemnation may may agree bounds categories , however fact argued suggests matter clear paul excellent interest making clear , leaving matters rather spirit led decisions , uncomfortable living readings dominated christian discussion areas homosexual behavior different \( gay christians know \) adamant condemning rape heterosexual homosexual child molestation heterosexual homosexual even possibly harmless obsessive kinds sex heterosexual homosexual would stand condemned paul continuation chapter cite may mildly suggest paul letter want use perhaps good guide meaning \? 'i free anything , ' say yes , everything good doubt free anything , one let anything make free 1 cor 6 12 must god god commandment neither gay christian wishes break people indeed involved obsessively driven modes sexual behavior wrong \( though slightly less incendiary , 's secondary argument contingent \) equate homosexuality behavior equate rape god 's messengers wo n't deal exegesis leviticus , except tangentially fundamentally , exhibiting circularity assumption know porneia means plenty laws prohibiting sexual behavior found leviticus , christians ignore completely never even bother examine assume know ones moral ones ritual well , news anthropology course ritual clean vs categories awful lot societies \( , buried pretty deep \) cannot see ground distinguishing bits leviticus ritual law christian know feels applies us i'm dead serious people start going \( matter \) repulsive unnatural acts know , huh \? solid clue sort arbitrary cultural american prejudice eating insects basis , assuming conclusion , say law male male intercourse leviticus part ritual law \? christians think parts leviticus law christians \( others even thought \) incumbent every case , handled merits determine pick one ignore another frankly think whole effort misguided reread paul doubt free anything christians criterion use making judgments , great commandment love god neighbor cannot go leviticus decide command basis , arbitrary selection simply context , remarkably offensive say notice verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows verse prohibiting appears homosexual intercourse well , la ti da \? almost slimey argument one homosexuality rape know one argues seriously \( though one always find jokers \) defense bestiality absolutely irrelevant incomparable issues gay christians raise \( concern sexual activity within committed , consensual human adult \) , bringing relevant laws cannot address actual issues , bloody dishonest trailing red herring front world want address bestiality , business , mine attempting torpedo serious issue using culture ridiculous joke shows interest hearing us human beings want dismiss us , use means think jesus paul expound , considerable length , central pin christian moral thought required love one another , else depends gay lesbian christ challenge address issue terms get return cheap debate tricks attempting side track issues christians , doubt sincere ones , keep showing every corner usenet world , ever spout old verses \( obviously never thought , maybe never even read \) , total ignorance issues raised , slandering us vilest charges child abuse whatever minds manage conjure , tossing red herrings \( suppose \) great emotional force cause readers dismiss witness without even taking trouble find behavior shame anyone claims seen truth christ , god 's precious sake , people quote irrelevant verses condemn people n't know wo n't even take trouble listen start condemnations \? loving neighbor \? god forbid ! obey repeated commands judge condemn others \? christ paul spend orders magnitude time insisting half dozen obscure words paul bloody ready take license god tells , god 's sake \? god send son world condemn world , world might saved whoever believes condemned , whoever believe already condemned refusing believe name god 's son judgment light come world , men preferred darkness light deeds evil everyone practices wickedness hates light , come near light fear deeds exposed acts truth comes light , may deeds done god john 3 17 21 long ages , \( many us \) confused evil counsel evil men told came light would rejected us took courses probably show sinful god 's light blessed whose spirits crushed self righteous shall justified however , seen truth , truth light humanity know fear light , enemies fear light witness everything shadow darkness false witness us michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 36 article unix portal com danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) writes article mvo blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes think many reading group would also benefit knowing deviant view 've articulated \( may true view khomeini \) basic principles islam point ov view atheist , see claim khomeini n't practicing true islam i'm sure would said , member neither group , supposed able tell one two really true muslim \? easy read koran koran perfect , possibility disagreement \) \) okay , see smilies , n't supposed serious post hand , would suppose motivation behind apparently idea poke fun religion , presumably sort reasoning behind argument , statement worthless qur'an perfect religious text \( whatever might \) still plenty room disagreement implications issues far essentials 've already responded question judgment might made two people fact disagree islam , n't presume anything qur'an sufficient clarity important disputes basic principles islam hardly constitutes claim two people could disagreements issues relevant islam gregg
ra cs umb edu \( steven r \) subject sell chemical condensers article cs 1993apr22 organization university massachusetts boston lines 22 nntp posting host ra cs umb edu condensers , kimble modern west jacket length 500 mm glass , straight tubes plastic end caps exactly like central scientific 's series condensers sold american science surplus 's april catalog 20 original \( old \) packaging 13 15 volume discounts buy discount bonus 3 8 10 free insurance 9 30 free shipping insurance quality control , opened inspected damage \) buyer must pay shipping insurance unless otherwise noted shipping 2 00 one two 3 00 three four etc insurance 0 75 per tube cs umb edu univ home standard disclaimer boston massachusetts usa
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( theodore j \) subject lame , dumb useless question organization university buffalo lines 27 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu article 93109 vma cc nd edu , rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes ok , three balls batter pitcher proceeds bean batter walk hit pitch \? bob vesterman hbp , reminds favorite \( \? sp \? \) drysdale story ordered intentionally walk batter hot two previous bats , drysdale back first pitch drilled right ribs manager came storming dugout yelled \? drysdale back , complaining \? saved three pitches ! incidentally , true , 'd love know people involved ted one man stands wall , cracks wall , suny buffalo cracks wall , cracks wall comes dept economics
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 30 article 1993apr17 nwnexus wa com , elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) writes article 1993apr16 8045 magnus acs ohio state edu rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) writes actually , bet gay bi men promiscuous gay men , could option living straight life , social pressures , probably would least try geez , , ryan \? proposed theory months ago let 's take one step , even , surveys show , 33 men homosexual encounter , must cite survey , obviously bogus kinsey studies even larger percentage people homosexual erotic fantasies less 10 population gay , say people n't identify gay demonstrated gay potential obviously , large chunk people chose \( , accurately , forced choose force religion social sanction \) put feelings aside , heterosexual obviously , cramer kaldis fall category ca n't speak kaldis force religion social sanction played part sexual preferences neither much influence teenager elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
charlea eng clemson edu \( charles allen \) subject question eisa video board performance organization clemson university lines 44 article world std com , cfw world std com \( christopher f wroten \) eisa machine understand eisa video cards match performance isa counterparts instance , eisa orchid pro designer iis e fast isa diamond speedstar plus , n't would call fast n't understand eisa video cards n't , group , level performance local bus cards , given eisa video cards 32 bit bus move data around , instead isa 's 8 bits good question answer eisa bus move 32 bits rather isa 's 8 \( 16 \? \) still moves speed isa bus think 's either 8 10 mhz local bus designs also move 32 bits like eisa , move data cpu speed , 40 mhz , 33mhz cpu , local bus moving 32bit data 33 mhz , eisa moving 32bit data 8 10 mhz local bus 3 4 times faster eisa 33 mhz cpu eisa two \( maybe 3 \) times fast isa since , would anyone \( included \) pay higher cost eisa video card performance better often worse much cheaper isa video board , diamond speedstar 24x \? pc magazine 's \( think \) recent report , know ati makes pretty fast eisa video card , 's around 500 , double wallet allow spend , 500 , could get diamond viper still 100 left \( course , 'd get local bus mother board \) 's good question eisa bus advantages isa bus 's width example better interrupts bus mastering factors impact video card much impact file servers multiple hard drives , full throttle network cards , cd roms , etc anyone shed light confusion frustration \? thanks ! christopher wroten , cfw world std com
kiwi iis ethz ch \( rene mueller \) subject icn \( msdos \) pbm pgm ppm format \? organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch distribution comp lines 7 many icons format would like convert pbm , pgm ppm format know formats \? thank 's help , rene \( kiwi iis ethz ch \)
lairdb crash cts com \( laird p broadfield \) subject need senate bill numbers house resolution numbers organization well , head top , arm side , two legs lines 24 mcimail com 0005111312 mcimail com \( peter nesbitt \) writes want get involved fight save gun rights first , need get little educated 've reading books get hands , sifting hundreds messages internet anyone tell obtain info \? surely way obtain copies anti gun legislation 's washington house document room reached 1 202 225 need number document want \( e g \) 'll happy send tell 's going big stack , surly sounding guy answers really awful hand back envelope come run room quickly n't tell senate document room important deal likes , answer requests hill mail laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd , nosc ! crash ! lairdb hi ! i'm shareware signature ! send 5 use , send 10 manual !
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jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject ibm hardware nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 22 lowered prices following ibm hardware forsale ati great card , supports 1024x768 256 colors , 800x600 32k colors , 640x480 16 million colors found also speed windows considerably i'm asking 90 b card also 2 2400 internal baud modems docs n't original boxes work fine 'd like get 20 35 backups 400 backup power supply allows cpu monitor continue operate 30 minutes event power failure asking 50 please e mail replies jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject real way speed ballgames organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 32 article tom amber ssd csd harris com tom ssd csd harris com \( tom horsley \) writes real way speed ballgames home park owner offer following schedule bonuses players teams details deleted suspect could finance way presidential campaigns paid offer fan ticket says want 5 price ticket go towards fast game bonuses oh , great fans subsidize cost speeding games n't want see sped terrific oh forgot checking box finance presidential campaigns n't cost us taxpayers anything believe tooth fairy , \? beastmaster \( sorry hate sarcastic beautiful day \) mark singer mss netcom com
andy bgsu edu \( stuart esrock \) subject bruins organization bowling green state university b g , oh lines 10 joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) writes come boston , hell \? seven wins row , choke \? ah well , another brian sutter team ground dirt intensity regular season burned playoff time yah fuhr awesome far , really 'd think sutter would learned lesson pushing team far regular season stuart esrock bowling green state u bout blues ! ! !
mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu subject atlanta 's abc affiliate sucks ! ! ! ! ! organization post office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu knew , despite lack full game telecast last week , still much hockey atlanta atlanta 's abc declined pick playoff games till even show games , continue skip first half hour telecast know still better situation compared rest georgia , alabama , etc , still pretty annoying least pittsburgh , network showed shows local affiliate asked problem told local 1 9 rating bad considering first nhl game shown long time without much promotion besides , syndicated programming afternoon usually low rated lose showing nhl playoffs told contractual obligations asked golf shown abc , would contractual obligations come way come contractual obligations n't come way last week 's telecast \? could n't give coherent answer also , added atlanta one highest neutral site game demographics good think abc networks begin tie high rated programs like thier sports programming hope everyone atlanta reads bboard calls 2 complain tell stop watching news telecasts since seem handling situation lady seem settle single reason sometimes , reason low ratings another time , says contractual obligations
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject ibm hardware forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu usa organization university delaware lines 13 following ibm hardware forsale ati great card , supports 1024x768 256 colors , 800x600 32k colors , 640x480 16 million colors found also speed windows considerably i'm asking 100 b card also 2 2400 baud modems docs n't original boxes work fine 'd like get 25 40 please e mail replies jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
rab ariel ucs unimelb edu au \( richard alan brown \) subject identify hd organization school physics , university melbourne lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host ariel ucs unimelb edu au actually scott afs ph unimelb edu au come across old external hard disk ca n't find specs anywhere made nec \( yes tried tech support help \) , model number apc labelled expansion hard disk anyone help figuring beast external connector looks like scsi plug , date drive chassis 1984 os 's pretty old want see , deep six rip apart bits thanks afs ph unimelb edu au
thomas uucp \( thomas lapp \) subject nose picking organization , newark , de , u lines 22 stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes 1 \) cause body harm one picks one 's nose \? example , might lead loss ability smell \? 2 \) harmful one eat one 's nose \? 've seen children wondered something mucus one 's nose collects \( filters \) particles going , child picks material , might effect , since body airborne diseases mucus , body might generate antibodies small invasion \? maybe children n't get sick often \? \) tom internet ! thomas udel edu thomas udel edu \( home \) lapp dnet dupont com \( work \) osi c us mci lapp id uucp ucbvax , mcvax , uunet ! udel ! ! thomas location newark , de , usa
nathan gregory psilink com subject upgrading windows nt nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 65 'd like appeal net 's nt wizards bit advice first general description machine follows motherboard 33 mhz opti chipset , 20 meg memory , cache \( soon hope drop dx2 chip \) fahrenheit 1280 video \( 1 meg , 1024x768x256 \) spectrum 16 sound board primary disk connor caching ide controller secondary disk conner slave controller disk fujitsu \? \? \? 650 meg esdi controller planned future disks include scsi hd cd rom pas16 scsi port tape drive colorado jumbo 250 floppy controller future tape drive may dat scsi interface hardware includes modem fax , serial ports , board \( ugly dos software drives latter \) applications used include normal windows stuff \( excel , word , quicken turbo pascal windows \) important stuff audio work environment includes turtle beach wave windows , mcs stereo , misc stuff around audio files also use stacker primary drive , hp \( wife 's use , wo n't let get rid ! \) , product called infinite disk chili pepper software hierarchical storage management seldom used offline files plan upgrade nt , becomes released product tempted become beta user early , n't time mess around hassles beta software expect buy , tear shrink wrap , use without hassle \( know , unrealistic , hope ca n't , , work \) advice want concerns state nt regarding device drivers , hardware specific stuff general smoothly expect upgrade go \? expect support stuff , still need scramble around downloading drivers \( pas \? , orchid \? , colorado \? \) bbs , etc steps take ensure installation goes smoothly note want nuke dos totally system i'm allergic command lines ! plan run pure nt system also , nt communicate workgroups lan \? stacker \? currently stacker first disk drive without stacker , infinite disk product , great difficulty fitting everything system \( 's cramped \) realize stacker incompatible nt , nt version \? nt support compression la dos 6 \? know infinite disk incompatible nt , offer \( anybody else \) comparable product nt cost \? \( perhaps need ask chili pepper question \) live without id , 'd rather nt run dos apps \( board mainly \) without dos system \? need keep around \? feedback advice \( including forget nt good reasons \) much appreciated significant reason moving nt need better multitasking environment windows \( among reasons , wave locks machine hours hours dsp processing large audio files \) , want better lan support \( internet access , etc \) maybe better solutions nt , would appreciate hearing \( os 2 \? 's 's status days \? \) pls respond email interest 'll summarize net thanks , nathan gregory psilink com
amiller almaden ibm com \( alex miller \) subject choice gauges reply amiller almaden ibm com \( alex miller \) organization ibm almaden research center lines 53 nntp posting host allez almaden ibm com i'm going drive public road need speedometer , odometer helps navigation 1965 chevy bare minimum engine temp oil press warning lights fuel gauge 1983 vw tach , water temp , voltmeter oil temp gauges turbo car , 'd want vacuum manifold boost gauge oil pressure gauge nice , reassuring gauge look car air cooled , would substitute cyl head temp gauge water temp gauge years ago , looked audi quattro si coupe bobby used win 1986 peak hill climb gauge layout , left right , top bottom speedometer fuel tranny press temp differential water temp temp big orange tach oil press warning light oil temp boost oil press alex amiller almaden ibm com
cus cam ac uk \( \) subject wanted uk bmw tips nntp posting host bootes cus cam ac uk organization u cambridge , england lines 14 hi , i'm market buying bmw ideal would r80 rs 'd interested r80 sale age problem i'm interested good example without massive amount miles one well maintained intend keep well time would also like know anyone sound advice regards insurance old , licence 9 years , accidents claims convictions old enough get bmw owners club insurance yet wait next year \? ian future beemer owner
gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) subject outbound laptops questions looking answers organization jack 's amazing cockroach capitalist ventures lines 16 since demise outbound company , options would exist buy one laptops \? \( 1 \) since \( , , etc \) use mac plus roms , wo n't severly limit using future applications \? \( 2 \) reasonable price one laptops \? prices 've seen seem extremely high considering limited choices \( 3 \) reliable proven \? answers would helpful gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) jackatak raider net \( 615 \) 377 5980
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject colour transform red green colour blindness reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc lines 96 article extro ucc su oz au , extro ucc su oz au \( geoffrey warren hicks \) writes posted behalf craig access net account anyone provide colour space transform would emulate effects red green colour blindness \? quick look computer graphics literature results perhaps someone access medical information could help \? certainly reference follows bear mind least two conditions may called red green colour blind one , , caused lack major dysfunction l cones , respond best long wavelengths gives much reduced red green red violet discrimination also means reds look dimmer people normal vision , , due missing dysfunctional cones although also caused lack l cone difference signals retina also gives reduced red green discrimination red violet unaffected unlike , reds dimmer normal uniform chromaticity diagram shaped one see computer graphics books single confusion point type colour deficiency colours confused lie straight lines radiating point point u' 0 61 , v' 0 51 , close far red corner , point u' 4 75 , v' 1 31 note different experimental investigations literature give slightly different values depending precise details experimental setup , random errors , values quoted typical colours line seen , colour actually seen \? problem solved tests people one normal eye one affected eye shown axis type disorder onto colours collapse joins spectral locus \( edge \) line similar , joining convert colours normal vision simulated 1 \) plot colour uniform chromaticity diagram 2 \) construct line point appropriate confusion point 3 \) find intersection line appropriate axis line 4 \) new chromaticity best reference meyer , g w greenberg , p \( 1988 \) defective vision computer graphics , ieee computer graphics applications 8 \( 5 \) 28 40 also need decent reference basic colour science familiar cie xyz colour model uniform chromaticity scale diagram would like write program \( probably ppm filter \) allow previewing images check sufficient contract colour blind users colour blind , bit difficult ! yes certainly possible need red green blue monitor intend display images , chromaticity white point information measured , obtained manufacturer posted list monitor couple weeks ago procedure , pixel \( ! \) follows \( lookup tables might help \) \) convert rgb cie xyz simple 3 3 matrix multiplication monitor data b \) retaining component later , convert xyz chromaticity coordinates using u' 4x \( x 3z \) , v' 9y \( x 3z \) c \) find equation line step 2 \) find intersection step 3 e \) convert back xyz , using value step f \) ensure new colour displayed monitor , move along line xyz space towards neutral grey \( ie half way black white \) please email replies summarise repost sufficient interest done also posted rest us chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
nancy hayduke \( nancy feagans \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time nntp posting host hayduke organization jet propulsion laboratory \( nasa \) lines 25 article bense 33 oasys dt navy mil bense oasys dt navy mil \( ron bense \) writes article 1993apr24 ns1 cc lehigh edu amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( alois himsl \) writes article 1993apr15 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov , nancy hayduke \( nancy feagans \) writes ashtrays cigarette lighters option forget cigarette lighter plug essential plugging radar detectors lights ashtrays also essential great places keep change tokens would n't rather type standard electrical plug instead fire hazard waiting happen adaptor \? know would , would also prefer placed cup holders instead ashtray \( car came coin holders already built \) ron exactly took words right mouth , ron \) nancy j feagans \( 818 \) 306 jet propulsion lab nancy jpl devvax jpl nasa gov shred evidence exists favor idea life serious
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject mars observer update 04 28 93 organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov keywords mars observer , jpl news software vax vms vnews 1 41 forwarded mars observer project mars observer status report april 28 , 1993 12 40 pm pdt flight sequence c9 active 00 11 , tuesday , april 27 activities beginning shortly 5 00 yesterday , c9 commanded spacecraft execute series rolls provide mag \( magnetometer \) team data points varying spacecraft attitudes orientations purpose better characterizing spacecraft generated magnetic field effect instrument spacecraft commanded back sun star init state 9 07 establish reference transition back array normal spin began 11 17 , sequence powered board transmitter 11 18 telemetry occurred approximately 11 30 4 kbs science engineering downlink data rate high gain antenna subsystem engineers report systems appear nominal command terminate using low gain antenna uplink sent 12 31 pm uplink downlink currently via hga mag calibration data recorded digital tape recorders 2 3 playback dtr 2 scheduled take place tomorrow morning 8 11 12 42 pm playback dtr 3 scheduled take place tomorrow evening beginning 11 57 pm ending 4 28 friday dtr playback performed via high gain antenna 42 , 667 bits per second upon verification successful dtr , downlink maintained 4k e rate mag cal activity timeline ends shortly 5 00 friday morning ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
rexlex fnal fnal gov subject homosexuality issues christianity organization fnal ad net lines 39 article may 9 05 42 07 1993 athos rutgers edu mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes romans 1 27 corinthians 6 9 timothy 1 10 jude 1 7 ii peter 2 6 9 gen 19 lev 18 22 \( name verses pertain homosexuality \) homosexual christians indeed checked verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues would seem need careful spirit led course exegesis gay christians know suggest stop proof things know nothing michael well , michael , n't know clh left faq \( maybe post get map \) , posted two three lengthy exegetical paper verses looked ot , nt terms reference would suggest read talk need exegetical studies n't enough , could also provide source nt meaning dr james deyoung published masters seminary journal fall '92 read 4 papers shows shoe foot far need honest exegesis , please refer faq file , unable , drop line enclose rexlex fnal fnal gov 're separate file , gave pointer posting yesterday clh
scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) subject rawlins debunks creationism reply scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) organization univ notre dame lines 54 article ursa bear com , halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes article usenet ucs indiana edu , bio indiana edu \( andy peters \) writes evolution , said , theory fact exactly amount existence atoms existence gravity accept existence atoms gravity fact , also accept existence evolution fact andy n't accept atoms gravity fact either extremely useful mathematical models describe physical observations make posters aptly explained atomic model gravity , , much theory gravity waves even detected , useful model describes much behavior objects thing call gravity gravity , however , fact theoretical model used talk objects behave physical environment newton thought gravity simple vector force einstein wave useful models religious requirements faith , unless course want demand factual physical entity described exactly way theory formulated talks takes great leap faith , , course , religion takes evolution different jim halat halat bear com bear stearns whatever n't kill serve annoy nyc speak accept fact earth \( , ancient greeks thought sphere , newton said , people say 's \? \) \? \( n't personal identity theoretical construct make sense memories , feelings , perceptions \) \? i'm trying think anything would fact give examples , let 's see factual criteria \( btw , criteria \? \) gravity fact fact \? newton 's einstein 's thoughts gravity fact thoughts \? n't see things asserting factual things like gravity , atoms evolution short , willing consider concept fact , i'm going , minimum , examples think facts tom scharle scharle room computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university notre dame notre dame , 46556 usa
strait cheetah csl uiuc edu \( jeffrey c strait \) subject bmw parts organization university illinois lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host cheetah csl uiuc edu greetings automobile enthusiasts anyone tell mail order company sells bmw parts discounted cheaper dealerships sorry 's faq email replies much appreciated thanks , jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university illinois phone \( 217 \) 333 ladies leave island , survive basic recruit training , weapon , minister death praying war
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization adobe systems incorporated distribution na lines 13 article cpt odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) writes n't say pitcher 's fear throwing strikes guys like mcgwire , bonds , frank thomas rational said exists mcgwire , carter \? see justification bonds thomas , tend higher batting averages , major difference see mcgwire carter carter n't draw walks n't pitchers afraid throw strikes carter \? sherri nichols snichols adobe com
mayo cs utk edu \( wallace mayo \) subject consecration russia reply free catholic mailing list catholic american edu lines 7 remind list booklet fatima send one wants lady fatima 's peace plan heaven 30 pages length includes fatima story want one , let know wallace mayo mayo cs utk edu
berkeley ca us \( andrew scott \) subject drinking riding organization san jose , california , home perverted hackers lines 18 hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) writes article 1993apr18 aber ac uk azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) writes generally find two three decent hits nitrous , riding improves enormously drinking silly , breath smells , costs lots money pigs detect machines works , try free sit behind old car jam , breathe deeply dentist car \) otherwise get back thinks gots gases confused comes cars carbon monoxide comes nitrous oxide co
groucho columbia edu \( bernard lin \) subject sale 88 toyota supra distribution usa organization columbia graduate school business , cu lines 17 nntp posting host groucho columbia edu 1988 toyota supra , fully loaded automatic color leather interior alpine stereo system cd changer alpine car alarm 90 , 000 miles , great condition , one owner leave country june asking 9 , 000 b please call \( 310 \) 212 ask cary bernard lin research assistant computing information services columbia business school
cs ulowell edu \( shi \) subject gulf war ii media offensive organization umass lowell computer science lines 14 article seas smu edu pts seas smu edu \( paul thompson schreiber \) writes gulf war ii media offensive douglas kellner lies times , may 1993 gulf changed third parts 's perception arabs 1 , people tended think arabs tough character seeing iraqis begging surrender , people gave arabs much weight 2 people tended think arabs united people fighting isrealis gulf war , seeing arab nations iraqis order waiver debt u kuwaitis trying draw west nations hit iraq , people started see arab world dog cage , echoing sound barking
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject upcoming tv schedule organization hms lines 16 distribution na nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu hey , guess 's coming espn change \? playoff n't involve pens anything wrong espn games thursday pens devils 7 30 \( gary thorne bill clement \) saturday caps ny isles 7 30 \( tom mees john davidson \) abc game sunday pens devils 1 00 \( gary thorne bill clement \) espn named 2 broadcast team tuesday paired tom mees \( play play \) john davidson \( analyst \) ppv mark
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 49 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , ed wente llnl gov \( ed suranyi \) says , , ridiculous way considered played exceedingly minor role person kills ultimately responsible actions frankly , i'm sick lied bad clinton , 's worse , listen \( fbi \) words , one half hour fire come hands matter , hear ricks \( reno \) claiming another incremental step pressure bullshit pick 6 monday morning \? nobody would notice everyone would busy work , starting new week bullshit fbi hold back fire engines \? , let paraphrase sessions , n't hold back engines stand , blah , , blah , protect , n't allow engines enter safe fuck \? yes , bananas \? hell kind double talk \? , n't , blah , , huh \? watched clinton takes responsibility , even though n't decision bullshit , , take responsibility \? ! even though bullshit yes christ ed ed wente llnl gov
subject front end povray comp vuw ac nz \( \) organization dept comp sci , victoria uni wellington , new zealand keywords povray nntp posting host regent comp vuw ac nz lines 19 g 'day ! anyone know anything front end povray \( x11 version \) \? mean things like user friendly modeller povray , let design scene produce file povray read \? cheers , tm comp vuw ac nz new zealand tm comp vuw ac nz new zealand
rz uni duesseldorf de \( wolfgang r mueller \) subject q internal modems without uart \? organization computing centre , heinrich heine university , duesseldorf , germany lines 8 nntp posting host mueller rz uni duesseldorf de seeing questions uart types , availability , relative merits , would n't fine , internal highspeed modems mode operation bypassing dull stupid uart interface instead accessing directly relatively large send receive buffers modem , thus eliminating problems interrupt \? idea , wolfgang r mueller rz uni duesseldorf de , computing centre , heinrich heine university , duesseldorf , germany
prism gatech edu \( , joel phillip \) subject help , i'm clever ! \( make power supply \? \) keywords power supply article hydra organization georgia institute technology lines 17 need make power supply take input cigarette lighter car \( 12v dc \) drive 7 5 volts 3 0 amps know enough know simple voltage divider two resistors wo n't right thing made radio shack able parts without much difficulty \? jps bf p 've looked things like radio shack none seems go higher joel north avenue trade school , dept round things prism gatech edu \( ask scooter technologies , receive \)
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject zionist leaders' frank statements nf id r cdp cdp 000 407 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 15 05 34 00 1993 lines 17 dear pete , one zionist , least know hebrew , young man last sentence posting read medina amim \( amim \) n't want address comments speak best regards palestinian jewish origin talks , reads writes hebrew hate jews anybody else elias
tony minster york ac uk subject revelations babylon \? organization department computer science , university york , england lines 37 woo ! far , 've following interpretations figure rev 17 18 \) united states america b \) mho db \) figure fallen spiritual powers corrupt oppress human society c \) historical jerusalem \) historical rome dare suggest passage might many meaning \? prophecy reveals god 's judgement corrupt state oppressing chosen people \( \) god 's judgement extends especially chosen city \( c \) , despite city 's special call , still rejected god 's grace decisive time \( rev 11 8 \? also n't 24 equally suggestive rome jerusalem \? \) guilty many crimes rome babylon \( \) equally subject god 's judgement good book \( tm \) actually encompasses viewpoints revealing corrupting spiritual powers warring mankind society 've created \( b \) clever , huh \? \( flame ! \) need argue ! think mary 's view lot sense seems deliberate contrast rev 17 18 rev 21 22 mortal jerusalem chosen god never \( historically \) fulfilling new jerusalem perfected \( outside history \) purely god 's grace eg details like rev 17 1 ` sits many cf rev 22 single stream new `the river life flowing throne god lamb ' rex n't understand post 's relevance babylonian mystery religions \? please elaborate ideas ot book rev \? freak idea primarily interpretation rev \? 'd mail , ca n't get thru unknown illegal user fnal fnal gov something 're telling us \?
jama austin ibm com \( jama \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians originator jama austin ibm com reply jama austin ibm com organization ibm advanced workstation systems division lines 33 article 13may93 02285380 edison usask ca , f54oguocha edison usask ca writes previous article , josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) wrote actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) josip , please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! oguocha indeed different usage word muslim bosnia , less used ethnic term religious one people bosnia refer christian bosnian muslims make sense bosnian serbs bosnian muslims language bosnian muslims mainly islam got bosnian muslim friend mine goes university texas austin jama
netcom com \( richard \) subject service indicator bmw organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 5 save youself cash take bmw mechanic idiot lights buy pen write change oil every 3000 mi fine follow regular service intervals r book also
infonode ingr com \( \) subject modem keywords modem organization intergraph corporation , huntsville , al distribution comp lines 16 486 33 ibm clone two serial ports \( com1 , com2 \) mouse port serial ports directly sitting mother board tried install 2400 hayes internal modem , doesnt work dial number system locks hear click ring system hangs modem 2 pin dip switch select appropriate port change settings dip switch , system starts working bought 2400 baud hayes external modem checked system works fine serial ports internal modem checked another machine works fine , work machine anyone please help find problem thanks infonode ingr com
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject gamma ray bursters \? organization university rochester article gap caltech edu kwp wag caltech edu \( kevin w plaxco \) writes resolving power optics batse altogether different beast , effectively 8 coincidence counters , one corner craft positional information triangulated differential signal arrival times detectors obviously count rates low signal rise times long possible cgro , , , 10 meters long \? 'd need time accuracy nanoseconds batse actually measure relative strength detectors \( also function photon energy \) detectors isotropic response right one must model scattering photons material around detector , even scattering photons earth 's atmosphere back onto spacecraft believe reduced error 2 degrees paul f dietz dietz cs rochester edu
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject cherry help , organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 41 nntp posting host teal article mfpirbo00wbli1ispc andrew cmu edu william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? 's canadian thing former coach boston bruins colorado rockies summaries get posted gather ongoing beef year conventional wisdom canadian hockey doomed second third rate behind perceived emergence u european programs know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments left rockies , got job cbc 's hockey night canada n't looked back since actually , work cbc least playoff season rockies eliminated read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like 'd say 's combination flame bait serious journalism closest thing 'll find cherry u stan fischler , self described hockey maven similarities say things get people upset difference cherry knows game fischler n't ass let know maybe i'm missing something 's character completely rational would n't job definitions , could called ass people feel mike lang , another character wish would get wider exposure \( one national telecast last year \) mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
hall vice ico tek com \( hal f lillywhite \) subject eternal marriage \( mormon temples \) organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 65 article may 11 02 39 09 1993 athos rutgers edu dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) writes paragraph brought mind question \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement ressurection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? well , something wrote time ago response similar question hope helps begin repeat previous post scripture mentioned agree seem problem , eternal marriage marriage general luke 's version jesus saying children world marry given marriage attain kingdom heaven almost sounds like marriage one salvation \( matthew mark omit statement \) think accounts clear might let 's look incident see come reasonable ideas means scriptures involved mat 22 23 30 , mark 12 18 25 , luke 20 27 36 happened sadducees , believe resurrection , thought could trap jesus made reference marriage required brother man died without children take widow wife raise children children would considered children deceased , though woman 's first husband fathered seems obvious woman still considered way wife first husband however , sadducees scene 6 brothers deceased turn failed father children widow seem imply marriage equal first ask , whose wife shall resurrection \? point seems obvious anybody 's wife , first husband , borne children would credited regardless brother biological father possible jesus refering says , ye err , knowing scriptures power god \( mat 22 29 , compare mark 12 24 , phrase luke 's account \) anyway , sadducees ask , whose wife resurrection , seeing 7 \? jesus answer , resurrection neither marry given marriage \( mat 22 30 \) rise dead neither marry \( mark 12 25 \) accounted worthy obtain world neither marry \( luke 20 35 \) 3 accounts go say , angels heaven equivalent find last helpful since bible define angels give idea life like \( ministers claim , different humans etc find biblical support \) think jesus saying \( clearest matthew 's mark 's accounts \) marriages performed resurrection goes along belief person marry must done earth however , believe marriage performed authority god binding eternity fact , first marriage appears performed god death entered world \( garden eden \) therefore god hath joined together , let man put \( mat 19 6 \) jesus also told peter apostles whatsoever bind earth bound heaven \( mat 16 19 , 18 18 \) believe also refers marriages performed proper authority
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 22 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , tzs stein u washington edu \( tim smith \) says an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) writes aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , president balls enough stand decision contempt ignore yup , quite president make decision 12 disagree ignorance showing batf warrant unsealed entire operation illegal day one clinton reno supported 86 people dead
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 291 v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes heard guy alberta came rare eye disease take repeated trips seattle get treated well , american private insurance plans cover travel expenses \? \? \? well , n't travel expenses whole treatment buy insurance live , based local rates tourists coming , say , utah find difference insurance cover fob provo get stuck hill mount sinai fall ill big apple extent affect system \? urgent care list necessary first place \? 's worth thinking 's regular practice hospital figure needs get facilities n't americans arrange advance operations \? think two standards applied , canada ca n't give beverly hills style treatment everybody 's big brother list 's like calling around town table dinner americans need far less advance time book operations would depend live , downtown toronto mile 101 , british columbia \( like , wy vs boston , \) , geography rears ugly head since health care providers private , depend adequate market size order sustain enough business since health care professionals equivalent take home pay american cousins , 's 're paid little provide services whether canadians would thrilled prospect health services toward americans , would willing pay , another issue entirely \) , must noted said partly grants province getting smaller grants , need attract foreigners make difference \? answered question private nonprofit foundations make money somehow , think 's time acted like private hospitals personally , i'm fed canadian socialists trying tell everyone health care free actually buying insurance \( 's one , bob rae ! ! \) true , thinking anybody compete provinces offer basic health coverage \? remember reading sort private health insurance actually illegal canada hear americans say 's illegal could wrong , never heard canadian source private insurance recently balked quebec liberals proposed aspects routine care also , insurance put place ndp \( labour \) governments power province effort 'cos wanted real socialized medicine 're buying insurance much coerced one insurance plan , optional optional doctors accept isolated religeous communities particular ask exemptions \( one e mail christian scientist edmonton verified indeed negative option \) guess argue right particular insurance , far 've come across north take pains keep tabs news home turns private insurers offering frills effective cartel n't really need compete , put , 're win win situation 're guaranteed turn profit believe , probably figured according sister yuppie , pat back point chamber commerce \( interesting side note new insurance companies started scratch since medicare became standard canada \? actually doubts new ones emerged since ww , scratch western canada , quite quebec part post 1980 quebec miracle \( nationalism , french capitalism \) la groupe des cooper built new tower eaton \( 's \) store les , able catch urban angel cbs 's 'd see well lit one double top ontario , still dominates business north canada old money kind place , 1989 free trade agreement saw lot odd labour unions establishment old money wanted preserve traditional one side , entrepreneurs internationally oriented businesses professionals final administration first mulroney government high percentage riches knew like make money , motivated mcdonald commission set brian 's initiative \( free trade 'til head count caucus 1984 election \) 's really insurance n't alternatives well , realize society 's like saying 's really national defence ca n't hire rambo squad instead even pacifist \( btw , always pacifists news arguing portion taxes , never people arguing health insurance alternatives 're talking press hostile whomever government , regardless party one redeeming characteristics , seems \( \) also , april 14 globe mail , letter director trauma services st michael 's hospital toronto responding article study comparing heart surgery california canada canadian doctor worried american analysts would seize results proof canada vital services doctor \( ca n't recall name \) said canada rationing vital services physician plainly see said system people refused treatment ca n't afford different system people refused treatment government ca n't afford result deliberate health insurance plan fairness , say us canadian systems situation way hit canadian system transient periods high demand , function doctors monopoly 's tight fist licencing obvious difference transient period , rationing nature mob battling patch dolls tm 've seen recently opposed rationing ability pay former transient situation large body insured patients deluge california health infrastructure , would result rationing among insured population smaller markets , much less flexibility dealing insured population california \( way , 1 3rd people canada much dense area \) correct resources fixed \( particular time window , function doctors monopoly licencing according market steady state \) either case refused treatment government day would shredded something like happen canadians bad , , realizing health care private insurance n't many people bought socialist socialized medicine know , know , monopoly power canadian doctors often leads problems system order get money government \( another case businessmen , scratched , becoming socialists \) right , 've pointed n't shifted locus problem one place \? n't really solved either way , transient situations hard deal since changes private medical care resource take place slower rate ability people fall sick esp light disasters \( e g , \) bad luck \( sudden wave heart disease \) doctor needs 4 6 years training , plus internship specialty training people often tend put prescription cold medicine insurance really n't need 's 've argued deductible copayments rather education , canadian fiscal conservatives arguing \( leftists \? ah , let 'em spend ! yeah , right ! \) also , note provinces cover high dollar threshold , 's private insurance covers like u still , adds oecd measures fact , buffalo may place us people get cherry jokes \( \) get sabres' feed replacement game espn tonight \( local metro ny coverage main espn game \) \( ndp cleaning tory spending mess \? thought understood canadian politics \) yeah , 's sad story saskatchewan tory leader grant devine pr campaign save sorry butt ndp taken neo conservative turn like , gonzalez anybody considered following singapore 's example going system company state buys basic catastrophic coverage everybody , also ira sort thing employer contribute medical expenses \? would tend discourage medical ira would limited use , 'd need lower catastrophic threshold else 'd still drain public purse someone exhausts ira also , singapore much mentality masses \( 've met indication n't mean \) 'd let die one good things last country create national health care system , decide , everybody else 's mistakes learn 's true question much u approach second capitalist approaches canada , france germany seriously , areas sufficient population two tiered system like french health policy prof , g shea , cited studies nejm indicate population 500 , 000 necessary adequate competition canada , four cities west great lakes population larger many cities us kind population yes , many pretty close lot smaller towns far bigger town take look detailed atlas better , take flight pittsburgh rochester toronto first time across lake ontario nyc , amazed increase density toronto region canada one group doctors calgary opened canada 's first us style mri clinic , alternative provincially owned one 's time ! 've doctor friends n't invest private practices end , 's money choose spend america 's cup , 's none business provincially owned sure 's law canada governments directly involved provision health care except military native term actually means facility gets public grants meet lack use kidding medical practice much conservative north best friend two mayo clinic rochester , mn , stranger high tech medicine boat comes first people expressing concern first wedge two tiered health care might violate canada health act , 's probably socialist offended private practices always take cash anyways particular facility \? canadian big government mentality often government even exist since french germans become less without sacrificing culture values , canadians 've pointed , law states illegal government provide health services except military natives look , nobody stopped clinic planned mri nobody stopped bought nobody seems stopping using , either much ado nothing thank goodness hockey playoffs started seemed currently unjustified , one anecdote told head partnership demonstrate mri showed image injured knee , happened belong manager bank approved loan said without , guy might wait month provincial mri , another length time treatment , muscles would rehabilitation would much harder n't first two , n't know i'm certain exaggeration somewhere , gao study canada cited often usenet find access mri problem 'll bet doctor relying people listened american trash talk cable puff chest bit already treatment regimens knee injuries without relying mri unfortunately , 've \) i'm \( gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
tankut iastate edu \( sabri atan \) subject stretching adriatic sea great wall china reply tankut iastate edu \( sabri atan \) organization iowa state university lines 33 article 1993apr29 urartu sdpa org , dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) writes following report turkey eyes regional role ankara , turkey \( ap \) april 27 , 1993 , find last paragraph turanist although premier suleyman demirel criticized ozal 's often turanist calls turkish influence , also spoken turanist turkic peoples stretching adriatic turanist sea great wall china demirel think fooling \? seems ends envisioned pan turkic empire balkans caucasus turkey 's fascist boasts pre empted would suggest turkey let world feel grey wolf teeth , attempt stretch adriatic china ! turkey cried wolf much ! mentioning turkic people wide spread means desiring turkish empire \? logical thing conclude statement like \? says turkey may economical benefits competitive enough course freedom extrapolating wish statement one question context ozal use words quoting \? give whole speech tankut atan tankut iastate edu achtung , baby !
dietz parody data io com \( kent dietz \) subject let 's play name game ! organization data corporation lines 14 article 1993apr20 newshub ariel yorku ca , cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes changing team names ! post choices ! minnesota \( thought paul , sore feet babes big blue ox \) seattle \( think considered new ownership back aaa glory days least one local brewer \) kent dietz twins '93 mariners sometime century \?
dave tygra michigan com \( david conrad \) subject new encryption algorithm organization cat talk conferencing system keywords nea lines 25 article 1raeir be1 access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping nsa wiretapping actual wiretapping , presumably , conducted fbi course , capability provided nsa , think still within limitations charter realize fine point , may differ , opinion although n't care clipper wo n't support use , n't see nsa bounds david r conrad mind rent god government cat talk conferencing network , computer conferencing file archive 1 313 882 , 300bps , v 32 v 32bis new users use 'new' login id available via pc pursuit ! ! ! \( city code \) e mail address dave michigan com
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject 1 meg simms sale keywords simms , memory lines 18 organization dakota state university lines 18 hello \( 4 \) simms sale 1 megabyte , 3 chip variety high quality simms , nearly brand new best 60 nanoseconds \( fastest available ! \) please make offer prefer sell four simms person \( lessen shipping costs \) , want one two , please make offer anyway thanks lot bitzm columbia dsu edu mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject apple 's new lines 4 people tell apple 's new keyboard , one designed ergonomically friendly \? begun experience wrist hand pains using standard keyboard , using powerbook people similar experiences tell \? replies email please paul g
ahatcher athena cs uga edu \( allan hatcher \) subject traffic morons organization university georgia , athens lines 22 article stafford stafford winona msus edu stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) writes article athena cs uga edu , ahatcher athena cs uga edu \( allan hatcher \) wrote ca n't make citizens arrest anything felony i'm sure 's true let rephrase file complaint bring person court understand , citizens arrest physical detention person think found difference citizens arrest \( physical detention suspect \) report warrant better \? john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) subject tempest nntp posting host lonestar utsa edu organization university texas san antonio distribution na lines 16 article 1993apr24 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes hell , set spark jammer , electrically noisy device 've noted , likely get around directional sensor phased array systems could completely defeat scheme true , basic idea behind communications security system absolutely deny access , make access expensive \( time , money , manpower \) worth remember waco ! government decide murder next \? maybe \? opinions mine n't care blame university state
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 23 mike cobb \( cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \) wrote true \( length time discussions creationism vs \) atheists christians debating since \? \? still debate passion 8 \) mike , 've seen creation vs evolution several times question either point view derived direct observation either scientific \? wonder whole controversy concerned consequences truth rather truth sides seem hold philosophical outcome , ca n't help wondering came first 've pointed elsewhere , view human nature makes believe way knowing objectively knowledge inherently subjective , context , would take stand based actually know true want true tell difference \? bill
wiseb colossus cs rpi edu \( bowden wise \) subject deriving class object owl organization rensselaer polytechnic institute computer science , troy ny lines 30 distribution comp nntp posting host colossus cs rpi edu trying define class derived object class may insert \( class provided container class library \) defined pure virtual functions object , still get error attempt allocate hashentry object cannot create instance abstract class hashentry anyone derived class object \? left \? virtual functions defined object virtual isa \( \) const return virtual \( \) const return hashentry virtual \( \) const return \( hwindow \) note hwindow defined hashentry virtual int \( const object far obj \) const return \( hashentry \) obj virtual void \( os \) const os hwindow \( void far \) hwindow n bowden wise computer science dept , rensselaer polytechnic inst , troy , ny 12180 internet wiseb cs rpi edu
adair atldbs com \( owen adair \) subject cool bmp files \? \? distribution usa lines 35 organization software article 1993apr20 dlss2 james dlss2 \( james cummings \) writes newsgroups comp os ms windows misc path atldbs ! uupsi ! psinntp ! uunet ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! bogus sura net ! darwin sura net ! convex ! seas smu edu ! void ! ! dlss2 ! james james dlss2 \( james cummings \) subject cool bmp files \? \? message id 1993apr20 dlss2 organization development references 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu distribution usa date tue , 20 apr 1993 17 35 06 gmt lines 1021 article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu \( john wang \) writes hi , everybody guess subject said getting boring looking old bmp files came windows , wondering body beautiful bmp file share maybe somebody tell ftp site bmp files , like scenery files , animals files , etc used , unfortunately delete anyway could give help , please \? \? \? response different kinda wallpaper , 's use think original gif whatever called real artist name logo lower right corner need vga think , sized 800x600 256 color screens use windows directory tile hope enjoy question abo owen adair adair com b software backbone ! ! atldbs ! adair \( 404 \) 239 alarming increase topics know nothing
underdog leland stanford edu \( dwight joe \) subject market access organization miners heart gold distribution na lines 31 article 1993apr22 eecs nwu edu andrew eecs nwu edu \( andrew sung kim \) writes rice import issue \? course , closed like shell , open compared us \? japan much open korea yes pontiac grand suffers factor 2 increase price exported japan however , dodge vehicle \( one congressman mentioned \) suffers factor 4 increase price exported korea ford taurus suffers problem honda accord costs making 48 , 000 korea many people would want buy honda accord 48 , 000 \? solution ships carrying korean made vehicles returned seoul pronto time korea decides wants abide rules free fair trade usa japan , , , ooo u ooo imi wa nan ka ` imi ga nai yo made mo , ima ka
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 9 ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) writes hmmm also wonder intergraph thinks use name clipper device \) mention computer associates 'll careful stop telling people i'm clipper programmer , might lynch \) mathew
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject final solution gaza \? nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 28 article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes tell stay home \? \) sorry , terrible attempt alternative \? hell , n't know perfectly possible objections particular policy feeling alternative choice sealing gaza strip interesting side effect demonstrating non viability gaza independent state people going go find work separated israel \? complain show id cards way work , feel showing passports way work \? throughout years israel arab palestinian conflict , internal palestinian found essentially relegated lower economy given major kinds positions required israeli palestinian economy , essentially two different ones existing side side n't holding many skilled positions , gaza operate , residents trained fill need middle upper management tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) subject magick parallel universes \( universe black holes \) organization sun lines 45 nntp posting host hernes sun article andrew cmu edu nm0w andrew cmu edu \( nanci ann miller \) writes emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) writes btw , parallel universe approach element mind physical reality universe sounds interesting exactly mean \? well , best thing read book parallel universes dr fred wolf essence , dr wolf says one interpretation sub atomic particle wave perceive wave actually number parallel universes overlaid , universes particle different location something make particle appear , actually causing parallel universes collapse one apparently one line thought nature qm , going scientific community dr wolf \( many others \) claim somehow collapse caused mental effort observing particle mind merely biological phenomenon mind integral part universe , perhaps consciousness element gives order form universe \( \) themself \( \) gets rather interesting , find facinating would explain phenomenon magick practiced religion dr wolf ordering functionality mind could caused selection future infinite number possible says might done sort communication ones current , possible future selves long speculated magick merely form self delusion perhaps could caused sort selection one many possible realize gets pretty bizarre , never hurts keep open mind least file away another explaination world find , learn universe live , learn truly strange place nanci eric
rick ee uwm edu \( rick miller \) subject make x face easy steps ! summary 's \? organization lines 46 nntp posting host 129 89 2 33 x face bo 'e , \( \( k g 6 pd \( 0g w , `x r zs someone x face included header please reply tell turned okay \? i'm sure viewing software hand converted thing vi sun rasterfile pain ! folks n't slightest , went like make x face easy steps ! 1 scan license pcx file 2 use wingif face license , half , convert bmp 3 use paintbrush touch manually 4 use wingif half 5 use paintbrush touch 6 use wingif half convert gif unix side 7 use snapshot convert gif sun rasterfile 8 use touch convert x bitmap 9 use vi \( yes , text editor \) manually convert rasterfile uncompressed x face format \( lots global ed commands , time 're done 'll mirror hex sleep ! ! \) linux side use convert see bo 'e , \( \( k g 6 pd \( 0g w , `x r zs b try viewing whatever means available c go back step 9 , right time rick miller rick ee uwm edu ricxjo discus mil wi us ricxjo muelisto send postcard , get one back ! enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion ! rick miller 16203 woods muskego , wis 53150 usa
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff distribution misc legal , tx general , tx politics talk politics guns , alt law enforcement organization totally unorganized lines 36 article intellection com emcguire intellection com \( ed mcguire \) writes 1993apr21 aio jsc nasa gov news aio jsc nasa gov \( usenet \) news \( brenda \) writes another thing puzzles finding dead bodies inside bullet holes already \? \? \? n't think 's possible koresh shot traitors rather letting \? \? \? possible would n't put past also possible hit rounds exploding extreme heat remember kept cops away hours heard bodies found shot , coroner 's cause death far , medical examiner \( according news \) found evidence gunshot wounds bodies far examined continues case , sort shoot holes \( pun intended \) fbi story , would n't \? cartridges going outside firearm launch bullet like fired gun bullet hardly moves , brass casing goes flying , less lethal force hurt , yes , kill doubt wil penetrate coat , example independent investigation , full subpoena powers , powers prosecute felony charges , investigate possible illegal criminal activity part batf fbi \? cannot see reason use phrase like use often , nothing hide welcome , vigorously support note internal investigation dept justice independent investigation pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
donald dswalker ebay sun com \( walker \) subject items forsale organization sun microsystems , inc lines 24 distribution world reply donald dswalker ebay sun com nntp posting host dswalker ebay sun com items sale take offers following items reserve right refuse offers 1 howard miller clock chimes like grandfather clock 2 painting tiger snow beautiful painting , tiger looks like jump canvas get 3 diamond ring , size 10 3 rows b gold call email donald walker hm 408 263 wk 408 276 3618
britt leland stanford edu \( britt park \) subject power loss load honda cb360t keywords honda cb360t power loss jets timing organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 24 1974 honda cb360t purposes runs well however severe power drop cruising speeds load , mild upgrade 50 mph 4th 5th i'm lucky hold speed try add throttle much past 5000 rpm , power drops drastically put simply , load , engine wo n't rev past 5000 rpm top third half throttle range dead standing still engine runs fine red line \( 9 10k \) point power loss kicks , engine becomes little , steady throttle engine speed goes slightly bike 13000 miles good tune , least starts balk would appreciate suggestions 's poor beast thoughts run toward clogged jets improper spark advance i'm hoping 's something drastic since bike 's really worth hassle major engine work thanks , britt park britt cb iris stanford edu
dave npt nuwc navy mil \( dave lewis \) subject unsubscribe organization internet lines 2 xpert expo lcs mit edu unsubscribe
morgan ucs mun ca \( brian \) subject trivia question organization memorial university newfoundland lines 19 article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? thanks , carol go pens ! name clint malarchuk i'm sure 've heard 's extra films brian
kevin kevinh apple com subject iif iig slot \? x useragent nuntius v1 1 organization apple computer , inc lines 13 article 1993apr23 1065 ccu1 aukuni ac nz mark perry , markp ccu1 aukuni ac nz writes seems p pds slot printers \? factory testing slot test rig connects connector verifies proper board operation kevin kevin disclaimer nothing say anything kevinh apple com apple computer red zone portable beer brewer loading unloading passenger vehicles
feng qian launchpad unc edu \( feng qian \) subject format utilities bbs \? bbs number \? nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 13 due problems ide drive , formatted started give errors applications told utility called ide int bbs , anyone tried \? one tell bbs number \? better , find file ftp site \? perhaps someone email \? thanks feng opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject catholic doctrine predestination organization indiana university lines 20 article may 11 02 37 03 1993 athos rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes really \? may right , 'd like proof far know \( div school student ! \) catholic church seem accept predestination told beware greeks bearing gifts reference doctrine seems curious result human beings held responsible actions ! 'll answer deal minute catholic doctrine predestination exclude free way since god knows everything , therefore knows everything going happen us free , able change happens us however , since god knows everything , knows choices make advance \( god subject time \) often arguments pit predestination free believe steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
bobm brimstone \( bob morley \) subject please tell 're permenant scratches ! nntp posting host brimstone organization unipalm ltd , 216 cambridge science park , cambridge cb4 4wa , uk lines 20 article andrew cmu edu , catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu writes passngering fiance 's bandit , hip pack rubbed tail left nasty dull finish teeny scratches way get rid \? buff \? wax \? help ! realised yet hoping fix \? 're planning use cut careful sunlight fades paint cut removes surface layer , older bike sunny live colour cut panel wont match rest bike bob bob morley pipex \( public ip exchange \) dod 549 216 cambridge science park milton road cambridge , cb4 4wa ely district mcc england
charlie fulton charlie isis mit edu subject abortion organization ctr advanced oppressive lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host mit edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 article watson ibm com larry margolis , margoli watson ibm com writes 459 uupcb ozonehole com anthony landreneau ozonehole com \( anthony landreneau \) writes rape passed , nothing ever take away true forcing remain pregnant continues violation body another 9 months see unbelievably cruel n't welcome pain labor , selfish bitch deserves die childbirth probably lying rape anyway charlie
ellens bnr ca \( chris ellens \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? nntp posting host organization bell northern research lines 10 article calvin nyu edu , roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) wrote would n't worry much wasting electricity winter months energy getting turned heat may efficient way heat building central heating plant , 's thing inefficient heater \? chris ellens ellens bnr ca
pat pat com subject help reflux esophagitis content type text plain charset us ascii organization , inc mime version 1 0 lines 32 writing find following 1 \) information surgery prevent reflux esophagitis 2 \) name \( \) doctor \( \) specialize surgery 3 \) information reflux esophagitis leads cancer boyfriend , age 34 otherwise good health , diagnosed reflux esophagitis hernia 2 years ago time saw tried acid controllers \( , \) , well restricted diet raising head bed treatments effective damage , opted surgical repair 3 months ago told two repair techniques could fix problem wrap hill repair opted hill repair recovered well surgery pain originally worse addition trouble swallowing \( including saliva \) doctor wants endoscopy also informed biopsy might necessary pre condition called barrett 's syndrome ca n't avoid reflux necessarily get cancer \? basically , anyone information , 'd appreciate thanks , pat , inc pat com
keith dseg ti com \( keith \) subject riceburner respect organization texas instruments information technology group lines 14 article cbnewsm cb att com shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) writes consolation trouble scraping together 35 500 quite one week 's beer money roid well know know afford harley keith texas instruments plain , texas 80 cb900 custom dod insane society , sane man must appear insane ama company knowledge actions
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject 66 6 mhz clock oscillator , \? summary faster clock oscillator found \? keywords clock , oscillator article shelley organization university washington lines 7 nntp posting host carson u washington edu quest speed , 've run problem 66 66 mhz 80 mhz clock oscillators available n't found speeds 66 66 70 mhz testing fox electronics \( 813 \) 693 make custom oscillators anyone knows source cheaper 12 osc please let know 68 70 mhz units would complete speed trials old q700 guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
ceci lysator liu se \( \) subject q wasps \? summary repel wasps \? keywords wasp organization lysator acs linkoping university lines 43 \( cross post rec gardens sci med set follow \( line header , depending kind advice give , \( e mail directly ceci lysator liu se \) problem wasps seem love last summer could n't spend ten fifteen minutes time garden one several wasps would come asking advice repel wasps year wasps built nest stone next one tiny \( poor fellow ! \) take care , give head start last year could n't find nest even gassed nest tiny garden 30 square meter , wasps likely vie territory anything grow , rub skin spread soil repel black yellow bastards \? never mind turns skin purple kills beloved plants , want able spend time garden like everyone else would help remove bird bath \? wasps seem come drink , suppose prey breed black seem afraid wasps , soon wasp season starts , stop coming bath even trying win back patio 15 20 wasps , seem love advice usually get ask wasps , stand still wave arms 've got painful stings trying follow advice also tried use products without , avail still love , come , even i'm middle crowd far two things seem work kill dead run house close doors windows nb n't problem bees bees , wasps patronizing advice redirected dev null ceci ceci lysator liu se number rational hypotheses explain given phenomenon infinite law rm 's zen art motorcycle maintenance
tl chalmers se \( rn lindgren \) subject disks copy protected organization chalmers university technology , gothenburg , sweden lines 11 article 1993apr23 miavx1 acs muohio edu sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu \( steve madsen \) writes know assembly language \? anyone needs find part code quiz , insert jmp instruction completely skip difficult , really ! little stop type thing using similar utility would help , resulting compressed exe tagged even n't help , least two programs available fixes \( , available simtel 20 \) even without n't hard fix
xyzzy hal gnu ai mit edu \( daniel \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization dis lines 18 nntp posting host hal ai mit edu article awe netcom com grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) writes hacker ethic go \? hackers 70 's comfortably employed supporting families next generation takes radical lead n't look radicalism among us old ones 're gone guess 's place please finger xyzzy gnu ai mit edu information , mail news site , mail xyzzy gnu ai mit edu subject line send finger daniel xyzzy gnu ai mit edu forever , forever , coda vaxc hofstra edu
pauls ehs uiuc edu \( paul \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 22 news udel edu ravel udel edu \( joshua smith \) writes , someone else gateway monitor problem , anyone help , please , would much thanks advance ok , local bus 486 66 machine , crystal scan monitor 1 meg memory ati ultra pro , w mach32 driver \( newest release \) problem windows use 1024 mode get shadows sides screens , blurry type corners types screen focus 've gotten replacement video cards , replacement monitor none helped though could someone help problem try removing monitor extension cable reports extension cable problems
tedm tsoft net \( ted matsumura \) subject need iconized printer utility organization tsoft bbs public access unix , 1 415 969 8238 lines 22 article 520 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com \( tony annese \) writes article 93122 auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes looking printer utility stay window 3 1 icon let drag file issue printing one minimize print manager drag file print need associate file extensions things notepad though tony annese claebaur shell portal com claebaur cup portal com may work , wo n't involve invoking applications , e g drag bmp txt file min print manager icon , wo n't run notepad paintbrush printing \? want drag file \( txt bmp \) print server icon , stay front attributes , need intelligent print manager drag drop client like amish print 2 0 ted
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 18 article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote say scripture man knows hour coming , even angels heaven father \? dk trying play god breaking seals dk killed many followers could btw , god save children heaven , far better place know \? faith seems faith tool available emotional purposes due tragedy maybe fills need , however i'm getting tired see children dying pain sudan due lack food , assuming god takes sufferers heaven painful death cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
gsmith iwr uni heidelberg de \( gene w smith \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization iwr , university heidelberg , germany lines 35 article jason ab20 larc nasa gov jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov writes article 1993apr17 sun0 urz uni heidelberg de gsmith lauren iwr uni heidelberg de \( gene w smith \) writes recent studies map less recent studies none said shown anything within accuracy 1 10 1 , claim study battelle human affairs research centers seattle hot topic news last week study questioned random 3 , 321 men face face interview studies , study studies , including published janus report , give different figures janus report figures different kinsey 9 homosexual men , 4 bisexual men earlier studies map also think 's talking kinsey came 10 statistic used heavily gay groups push political agenda kinsey 's work often accused lacking strong scientific backbone n't stupid kinsey report one study , ca n't map studies , including battelle one , also far agendas go , really agenda obvious gene ward smith brahms gang iwr university gsmith iwr uni heidelberg de
clarke bdrc bd com \( rick clarke \) subject countersteering sans hands organization becton dickinson research center r p nc usa lines 25 nntp posting host bdrc bd com steer hands n't bars \? \( open budweiser david gibbs replies case original poster looking serious answer , 'll supply one yes , even steering hands something quite similar countersteering basically turn left , quick wiggle bike right first , causing lean guess semi serious without using hands , lean bike turns leaning , torque applied , angle front wheel 's axle , countersteering however , torque also axis steering head instead making bike lean , effect makes bars turn , n't remember way rick oh yeah , tried driveway , , \( suggested somewhere else \) n't seem work rick clarke \( clarke bdrc bd com \) ama something , something ,
johnm karnak lonestar org \( john \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization capitalist , inc lines 23 nntp posting host karnak cox smu edu keywords nata thing ! ! mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) writes article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet , 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes genocidal mass slaughter innocent people besides nine survivors burn unit local hospital reported david one towers shit hit fan besides , majority children children supposed father , makes bastard children sacraligious \( sp \) also someone told david followers ca n't heat stay kitchen ! ! \( pun intended \) guess need reminded things ! ever heard first amendment \? guess n't crime religous \( know said sacraligious , n't place judge religion \) zealot country remember freedom religion country ! guess selective respect ! bastard children children ! condone deaths \? pray lack soul ! john b , jr gun control able hit target ! southwestern blvd 1103 , dallas , tx voicemail 214 750 karnak ! johnm internet johnm karnak lonestar org
drg biomath mda uth tmc edu \( david gutierrez \) subject lciii used iici get \? organization univ texas anderson cancer center lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host ratatosk mda uth tmc edu article 1993apr24 cheshire oxy edu erik cheshire oxy edu \( erik adams \) writes , long last , going replace beloved 512ke looking new lc iii used iici prices yet worked , i'm thinking right merits drawbacks 'd get iici 's expandable , fast , preserves option run system 6 david gutierrez drg biomath mda uth tmc edu fools positive moe howard
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject rob lanphier organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 34 brian kendig writes n't get , \? fact , believe religion imaginary clearly demonstrated even know religion order make assumption please offer argument 's convincing n't believe 'cos n't want present argument put hands eyes devise new excuses time \? fact remains , want argue something know anything learn topic first reasonably debate topic \? brings us start thread began perverting bible verses , interpreting without investigation desired investigate , would changed tune immediately thus clear believe saying n't want check everything 've said far could apply equally religion believe real one \? must also ignored every post written would seem go along character brian , n't offend decide reject jesus christ wish would make decision learn jesus
cleveland freenet edu \( bonita kale \) subject arthritis diabetes organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 37 reply cleveland freenet edu \( bonita kale \) nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu , diagnosed diabetes \( type ii , guess insulin \) 've trying read two conditions , really surprises experiments done little known losing weight appears imperative diabetes advisable arthritis \( least , women arthritis \) , , course , conditions make weight loss advisable part reason weight gain , i'm almost afraid lose weight , matter gentle sensible diet use \( last one 1800 2000 calories , eight small meals \) , weight wo n't go gradually stay instead , drops , comes back much interest , like bread waters experience , 's hard encouraging husband suggest make gradual possible meanwhile , experts recommend sugar , others , fat , others , balanced diet 's almost impossible tell writings parts recommendations supposed help condition , merely ideas expert thinks nifty imagination , old conditions poorly understood \? i'm used pediatrician talk \( 's give 'll get well \) expectations high \? bonita kale
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject hell organization shell oil lines 21 article may 7 01 08 07 1993 athos rutgers edu smayo world std com \( scott mayo \) writes granting , think christianity , relationship jesus love god one 's soul , stands fine without hell n't believe , see evidence scripture , hell presented stick beat people towards heaven certainly agree last paragraph also , jesus statements hell treated totally symbolic , parables , much teaching 's enough hell earth freed following jesus rest n't fact free hell best gift god offers eternal life begins us wait start divine nature path larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
vm cmp ilstu edu subject think espn shafted \? organization illinois state university lines 16 like many others watching caps isles game went baseball game pissed could interupt important game understand contracts , would think would clause contract concerning important games ! anyway , us blues \( hawks \) fans got shafted worse ! everyone u watched game abc however us live central illinois area subjected watching \( \? \) area affected telecast get see game except hawk vision game , televised , would first home hawks game shown area since 1980 television bull got stop deprived seeing games , due ticket prices , also deprived watching tv peace , hammer
djohnson cs ucsd edu \( darin johnson \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization cse dept , u c san diego lines 15 ok , 's important gay christians \? sex , christianity \? christianity would hope would willing forgo sex completely , order avoid stumbling block others , avoid chance interpretation might wrong , etc \? , \? heterosexuals abstain time \( would nice protestant churches celibate orders show world sex important thing life \) tell truth , gay churches remind lot henry viii starting church england order get divorce \( myth \) note denying gay christians christian darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu toy cows africa
fontenot ravl rice edu \( dwayne jacques fontenot \) subject fbi stupid organization rice university lines 26 hello , want make 2 points 1 \) fbi stupid people chosen intelligence , education , loyalty government , etc given much intensive training , refuse believe could conspiracy , say fbi stupid , say n't believe 2 \) fbi latest audio video technology latest digital systems fbi manufacture evidence need tape koresh saying , light fire , one need thermal imaging video three people lighting fires , magic computer graphics , one thing , manufacturing pieces evidence takes time may days get see maybe n't heard tapes seen fbi video 1 \) classified 2 \) gruesome eyes 3 \) lost got coffee spilled dwayne jacques fontenot btw , get information live video feeds read papers , almost everything contradicts seen eyes
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject centris 610 clock adjustment \? article shelley distribution usa organization university washington lines 2 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article probably referring changing clock oscillator manner similar done quadra 700 's iisi 's n't read report actually done centris 610 supposedly also works q900 , q950 centris 650 machines
jek cu nih gov subject imprecatory psalms lines 10 paul fortmann submitted sermon peter hammond praying justice spoke positive value imprecatory \( cursing \) psalms connection , recommend membership book reflections psalms , c lewis , special reference chapter cursing psalms , james kiefer
geoff east sun com \( geoff arnold sun bos r h coast near top \) subject read rushdie 's satanic organization lines 15 distribution world reply geoff east sun com nntp posting host east sun com article bozo dsinc com , perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) writes anyway , since seem one following particular line discussion , wonder many rest readership read book \? thoughts \? read found wonderful reason \( flames , please \) , reminded , carl van \( , though \) geoff arnold , pc nfs architect , sun select \( geoff arnold east sun com \) made whole thing \? great lie four guys , two thousand years ago , wine tear garden
mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 75 article 37501 optima cs arizona edu sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) writes unmitigated 've seen jim brown obviously possession right wing token diplomatic alternatives , including sanctions , ineffective december , former national security told senate committee sanctions costing iraq 100 million per day , coalition could take time world iraq , suggested , losing badly every day un demands , community nations every day taking life loss life washington newsletter understand , number deceptive reason money cost non oil sales part iraq still allowed sell oil , many things initial sanctions , still surviving btw , reason brought blanket bombing germany bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable yet blanket bombing instituted bombing n't accurate enough hit industrial military targets decisive way method time gulf war , precision bombing norm bullshit ! ! ! gulf massacre , 7 ordnance used smart rest 's 93 regular , dumb ol' iron bombs stuff forgotten pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage \? successful interception scud defined patriot scud passed area sky \? 93 \( heard figures closer 80 , wo n't quibble figures \) , dropped carpet bombing regions occupied enemy troops b 52 drops lot bombs one , used around clock mention smaller aircraft using dumb munitions 2 patriot uses proximity fuse adjusted figures number patriot kills ss 1 60 70 figure came fluke pentagon , someone working stuff another part dod 3 statement precision bombing norm , true around areas civilians close target dropped little bombs populated regions , explaining figures 7 smart stuff , 35 hit try follow means 65 smart arsenal missed figure , far figures seen indeed accurate , explain discrepancy figure , figures international organizations \? figures seen place hit ratio close 70 , still far higher 35 figure say bomb missed plane took , bomb never hit target , regardless whether bomb dropped \? methods used time lie statistics stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove source says date , civilian death count \( er , excuse , mean collateral damage \) 200 , 000 never seen source claiming figure please post source reliability judged mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
hathaway stsci edu subject vandalizing sky lines 32 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes n't want quote stuff 's said recently , wanted add point enforces rights u , constitution provides bill rights legal rights considered derive i'm sure countries seem hardly like groups discuss , huh \? \? \? legitimate power enforce rights derives consent governed , piece paper civilized autonomous computer program , 's interactive constitution made people trashed us ai n't sacred scripture rights flow 'rights' come souls sure n't see request vote trashing sky opinion keep rights using , going court comparable documents persuade court right dark sky derived manner bill rights \( u \) , prevent \( maybe \) billboards launched keep anyone world launching gets international law international court justice \( correct name \? \) hague , something know little doug loss loss husky bloomu edu gracious regards ,
txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) subject please tell 're permenant scratches ! lines 25 nntp posting host able mkt 3com com mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes bobm brimstone \( bob morley \) writes article andrew cmu edu , catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu writes passngering fiance 's bandit , hip pack rubbed tail left nasty dull finish teeny scratches way get rid \? buff \? wax \? help ! makes full line compounds waxes read pick one matches marks see paint fiance favor putting nice thick coat wax bike little scratches buff '86 concours sophisticated lady tom dietrich '72 1000cc sportster 'ol sport sale dod 055 '79 sr500 spike , garage rat ama queued m900 ! ! fssnoc 1843 two gather , big fun ! 1kspt 17 28 bell \( 408 \) 764 5874 cool rule , sometimes e mail txd able mkt 3com com \( h lewis \) disclaimer 3com takes responsibility opinions preceding
drand spinner osf org \( douglas rand \) subject disk mount problems organization open software foundation lines 13 external drive connected iisi never recognized mounted system startup mount scsi control panel i'm running system 7 0 1 , everything properly terminated would anyone helpful idea problem \? douglas rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail 11 cambridge center , cambridge , 02142 disclaimer n't know osf agrees let 's vote amateur radio kc1kj
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject encryption chip availibility reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector distribution usa nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 21 article 93113 cmuvm bitnet , 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes article andrew cmu edu , stephen j andrew cmu edu says hi everybody ! anyone know companies currently manufacturing encryption chips sale general public \? get ! pointers would greatly appreciated motorola certainly makes , n't know would go buying one 'd probably buy one secure radios could also bring encryption chips outside country doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207
gas vm \( geir \) subject help world screen 4x4 matrix organization norwegian defence research establishment , , norway lines 26 nntp posting host reply rob rjck uucp 's message tue , 11 may 1993 19 32 54 gmt article rjck uucp rob rjck uucp \( robert j c kyanko \) writes need help creating 4x4 perspective matrix 'd like use x , , z , w texture mapping code got graphics gems many books talk , none simple plain english graphics gems , i'm talking page 678 'd like perspective matrix handles different field views aspect course thank 's help cos \( alpha 2 \) horizontal sin \( alpha 2 \) cb2 cos \( beta 2 \) vertical sin \( beta 7 2 \) zf far clipping value zn near clipping value matrix 0 0 0 0 cb2 0 0 0 0 zf \( zf zn \) 1 0 0 zn zf \( zf zn \) 0 geir \( geir vm \) phone 47 63 \( office \) 47 63 \( home \)
microsoft com \( pat \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization microsoft corp keywords advice , pillion , help ! distribution usa lines 68 article c5t759 dsc well sf ca us rwert well sf ca us wrote need advice someone ride pillion 750 ninja first time 've taken anyone extended ride \( read farther around block \) 'll riding twisty , fairly bumpy roads \( mines road mt hamilton loop sf bay areans \) person 100 lbs fairly small , n't see weight much problem , sort advice give go \? quite bit sporty riding 2 'll tell 've found systems 've worked starts , accelerate much slower usual 's tough rider judge scary fast acceleration , 're holding onto something leaning forward remember turns , lean forward angle \( normally means n't leaning \) 's disconcerting leaned passenger leaning 're sitting straight much balance lost dangerous slowing stopping , much slower usual , 's tough rider judge scary fast deceleration , 're holding onto something leaning forward however , 'll figure fast braking fast shove passenger forward , tank location generally , passenger keep knees bike , wide helps balance gives passenger fear , squeeze knees normally means slow , ! turning leans , else \? traditional signals slow ! ! go faster ! ! hafta go pee ! ! etc \? \? \? couple signals slow either tapping back , helmet might depends urgency matter \) turn done pointing direction exit also sign cool ! look hafta pee sign turn i'm hungry sign go faster usually done jumping pegs glee usually see slow often go faster really want positive experience us , mainly 'll want go , help appreciated best thing ride talk riding buddy , pillion bike 's incredibly frustrating , 're almost control , multiply feeling times ten , rider know bike , passenger likely feel 're scrape hard parts time , lock brakes moment , go edge volcanic mountain , etc good training take somebody pillion pad also , remember 's much draining tiring ride 2 , 're concentrating much , zen moment less remember pat microsoft com seattle , wa dod 393 , ama , vme , , 2 53 '91 vfr750f , '91 nighthawk 750 , '82 seca 650 turbo sale
daniels neosoft com \( brad daniels \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 lines 24 given source code contains explicit permission use modify code without fee addition shareware notice , would say shareware notice need make minor changes create derivative work explicitly allowed first part copyright notice course , would circumventing author 's wishes subject , 'd say 're going pay matter , 'd relatively safe ground approach fact , given internal contradictions copyright notices , 'd guess none could ever enforced , lawyer , ca n't positive regardless , fees 's asking excessive , would encourage anyone wants use program pay possible even though unlikely actual legal obligations pay author , would reasonable , support efforts nothing else brad brad daniels ` money ca n't buy happiness , daniels neosoft com guess 'll rent n't work neosoft , weird al n't speak employer
bobc pyramid unr edu \( bob conrad \) subject new anti campaign organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 16 article 1993apr23 freenet carleton ca freenet carleton ca \( nigel allen \) writes press release national crime prevention council campaign urges drivers remember lock , roll , look around lock car doors immediately entering leaving car roll windows far possible look around alert avoid situations suspicious reminds blurb police school paper along lines , police called reported suspicious people around business building turns two black men leaving building homework late one night
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization university east anglia lines 8 bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes introducing new polysyllabic word \( , example \) polysyllabic polysyllabic \)
mst4298 zeus tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization grinchco lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr23 synapse bms com , hambidge bms com writes mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes large propane tank , breached , n't think would identifiable explosion \? saw videotape , explosion looked like one due propane rather \( official version \) ammunition would agree propane explosion likely ammunition explosives blast question directed person claimed propane tank likely ruptured tank , , fire started true , n't explosion happened soon fires started \? evidence exists right \( least know \) various claims counter claims i'm waiting hard evidence released \? could certain hard evidence released fbi made fuss videotapes evidence release something sooner later 's going happen , 'll get see often law enforcement agencies evidence public view investigation mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) subject new encryption algorithm organization department mathematical sciences lines 30 nntp posting host moink nmsu edu summary key insight keywords nea article artmel well sf ca us artmel well sf ca us \( arthur melnick \) writes strongly opposed clipper capstone chips press release today , president , dr stephen stated seems government unlimited source funds use push new bugged chips american public understand national security agency , supposed involved domestic spying , fund development commercial chip intended accommodate u government domestic spying activities well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , sounds lot like slamming competition , cry justice guys way limb , read right 've commited new algorithm silicon 's made public gonna shamir writes paper showing crack entire class algorithms 5 minutes slide rule pencil \? n't busy throwing muck smear competitors , 'd feel kinda sorry 'em still , little andrew
csugrad cs vt edu \( chris fury \) subject help needed dxf iff lines 17 organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 17 blue knight bknight jpr com \( german \) writes dxf changed iff format changed object format used one 3d programs amiga tools around comercial conversion actually , iff format standard picture file format , sound file format , exist several formats use iff standard iff picture standard used mostly everybody form ilbm \( ilbm \) 3d iff specification know tddd , used imagine 's predecessor , turbo silver possible amiga packages use another iff spec , n't know lightwave load tddd form 's believe christopher b fury space rent csugrad cs vt edu call 1 900 information
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject bmw boxer tv ad ! ! organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 25 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) wrote mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes anyone see tv ad new bmw boxer u k television weekend \? \? since reception cable , i'm likely see ads 'd likely taped us anyway yeh tough pick uk situation signs type 259 ads tv states yet , n't watch much , i'm real position comment ! got invite dealer introduction deck back rsvp way ! ! ! ! ! ! tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
metares well sf ca us \( tom van flandern \) subject temperature dark sky nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link lines 29 henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? 'll find allen , c w , astrophysical quantities , press , dover , nh , 3rd edition , pp 268 269 \( 1973 \) accuracy calculated \( see specific references allen calculated \) , temperature 3 degrees k lots people remarked temperature first may 's book , internal constitution stars , ch 13 \( 1926 reprinted 1986 \) , gives temperature space 3 degrees source temperature radiation starlight dim recollection net effective temperature substantially higher mbr , figure things like stars zodiacal light , 'd like numbers accuracy measurement , 's temperature us think may coincidence tom tom van flandern washington , dc metares well sf ca us meta research founded foster research ideas otherwise supported conflict mainstream theories astronomy
subject challenge microsoft supporters thomas datamark co nz \( thomas beagle \) organization datamark international ltd lines 22 article 1993may14 klaava helsinki fi jliukkon klaava helsinki fi \( juha matti liukkonen \) writes let pose question many ms dos users access net , would probably find feature useful , \? ie , suggestion implies microsoft relying shareware pd products fill gaps dos misunderstand statement \? shareware available net , magazines , distributors , clubs , friends , bulletin boards n't think people problems getting hold fill gaps dos \? 's need many people dos 5 provides services need run windows top btw , windows must operating system provides disk operating system dos ca n't access \( nfs \) \) thomas beagle thomas datamark co nz work 64 4 233 8186 technical writer thomas welly gen nz home 64 4 499 3832 , wellington , nz long ears make good handles \( \) \( \)
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject 2 ide hds organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 33 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 volker voecking \( voecking informatik tu muenchen de \) wrote hello problems combining two ide hard disks \( seagate st3283a quantum \) single hard disk working fine , connecting together controller n't work questions anybody ever succesful using hard disks together jumper settings bios use \? possible controller reason troubles \? thing know ide harddisk controller many harddisks controller control \? case one \? thanks advance volker ide drives jumpers indicate master slave master , second jumper indicates slave present must set correctly according drive 's manufacturers spec cmos setup almost positively problem probably controller ide controllers support exactly two drives maximum check jumpers gordon lang
matt dah dsv su se \( mattias \) subject psygnosis cd titles \( rumours 3do \? \? \? \) organization dept computer systems sciences , stockholm university lines 12 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 mark samson \( samson prlhp1 prl philips co uk \) wrote speaking psygnosis , licensed games philips media international cd commodore cdtv regards email mattias matt dah dsv su se love
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization georgia institute technology lines 10 obnoxious name calling deleted ok , wants rm \? say get net revoked seconds \? go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
organization university maine system erik maine maine edu subject 486 slc notebook deal lines 21 forsale 486 25 slc notebook small includes following cyrix 486 25mhz proc \( fast \) midwest micro elite series 60 meg hard drive \( 120 w stacker \) 1 3 drive 1 serial , 1 parallel 2 megs ram \( upgradable 8 megs \) 64 shades grey vga built trackball fast machine loaded windows , stacker dos 5 0 , carrying case , power supply bought 3 months ago 1500 00 realized n't need much power notebook asking 1300 00 first person 1150 00 takes maine maine edu erik
bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) subject 1994 mustang nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 96 petebre elof iit edu \( peterson \) writes jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes jmm4h virginia edu \( bald runner \) writes got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? everything 've read correct , ford nothing skinning existing mustang , minor suspension modifications pictures 've seen indicate n't good job new mustang , nothing cycle 20 year old car gee 1999 already \? yes , still fox program chasis , anything nt new car far mechanical 's unknown suspension likely changed , well drive drain printed , clear idea done , say modular v8 others current small block wait see also far styling goes seen good , return tradition c scoop sides roof line much like '65 '66 fastback know , i'm ford fan , must say , i'm looking forward next mustang faith fine product , desireable camaro know , 's mho differences days ford gm much quality , philosophy used quality philosophy gm barely catching , room improvement made time still come assembly line screwed paint stripes poor trunk door hood panel 's 75 year old plants latest gm products still come standard equipment \( tm \) like said , 're getting better making move right direction beat ford market camaro firebird , really words production vehicles limited end year , keeping selling prices msrp part since many twitching camaro fans would n't press ford hurry mustang since final wait could worth besides , bow tie fanatic gonna buy mustang anyway put much stock mag inside information , even ford rep quotes taurus pretty much surprise finally disclosed 's entirety inside information taurus v8 rear wheel drive one point would n't look simple mustang , folks may cheating 's lot potential ford n't released new car without 4 wheel 7 years mustang project least 4 , right \? 4 wheel could happen modular v8 's , interest cafe competition , n't rule , either ignorant many spy shots artist renderings , really knows 'll look like \? mach iii \? doubt highly next mustang ford 's highest profile car attracts way attention camaro firebird 's heritage embedded general public n't lie believe ford forfeit submit mustang success enough elicit defensive remarks heavy camaro fans know , intelligent , critical like , mustang bites , man ! already beginning predict mustang camaro comparable performers , usual predict differences subjective areas like looks feel , usual camaro still huge automobile mustang retain cab styling short , pony car camaro still reaches fighter pilot , mustang appeal driver camaro still sell muscle car set , mustang continue sell college muscle car set refined \( think camaro \) clear winner unless ford gets , romeo n't seriously believe designed mark viii , \? \) regards , brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu engineer , choose k department engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus , oh
doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) subject 's origin stat \? organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines 16 article 1993apr28 zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu \( infospunj \( dan field \) \) writes term stat used medicine , commonly used indicator something urgent anyone know came \? dictionary helpful word \( latin , think \) , meaning immediately howard doyle doyle pitt edu
rob msc cornell edu subject comics sale \( marvel , dc , \) originator rob snoopy msc cornell edu organization completely without lines 199 small comic collection sale issues nm unless otherwise noted prices flexible large purchases buyer pays shipping nm means comic ordered bagged backing upon arrival , never read opened numbers represent number multiple copies 60 graded price fantasy \( silver surfer , second series \) 8 nm \( original series \) 1 f 2 5 f fury \( second series \) 3 , 6 human fly 1 vf human torch 1 vf indiana jones 2 nm 19 21 legion super heroes 293 vf machine man 8 , 9 g \( 2001 space , origin \) 1 f 6 f 1 vf 19 , 20 , 46 , 47 new gods 1 f 19 f outsiders 3 , 4 nm ragman 5 f rom 1 vf 4 vf secret origins \( blue beetle \) 2 secret wars ii 2 5 vf 6 \( 2 \) nm 8 9 \( 2 \) shade , changing man \( original series \) 1 vg 2 , 5 vg thing 26 30 vf thor 361 vf mighty thor 13 \( dbl iss \) 75 graded price ambush bug stocking 1 avengers 259 262 263 264 267 batman outsiders 29 , 30 beauty beast \( 4 issues \) 1 2 nm cloak dagger 1 vf nm 2 5 daredevil 192 \( 5 \) , 193 nm 221 225 nm \( adams \) 7 \( lopez , 4 issue limited series \) 1 doctor strange 74 fantastic four 281 284 vf 286 vf 287 290 vf \( 4 iss \) 1 \( 2 \) nm hercules \( 4 iss \) 1 \( 2 \) , 2 , 3 \( 2 \) 4 vf \( date stamp \) iron man 98 , 102 f 126 , 127 vf 197 199 200 nm \( dbl iss \) 202 203 \( 2 \) 204 , 205 laser eraser \( eclipse \) 1 \( 2 \) marvel fanfare \( epic \) 7 marvel universe 2 nm 4 , 5 nm \( epic , 12 issues \) 6 , 7 \( 4 iss \) 1 \( 2 \) 2 , 3 supreme \( 12 iss \) 1 vf 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 7 vision scarlet witch \( 4 iss \) 1 \( 4 \) nm vision scarlet witch \( 12 iss \) 1 nm 2 5 x men alpha flight \( 2 iss \) 1 85 graded price alien legion \( epic , 12 issues \) 10 alpha flight 1 nm 2 3 , 10 19 , 22 24 25 26 \( 2 \) 27 , 28 29 30 31 \( 2 \) 32 crisis infinite earths 5 6 7 8 9 10 \( 2 \) , 11 12 \( 2 \) daredevil \( miller written drawn \) 187 , 188 , 189 \( 2 \) nm \( warp , third printing \) 1 nm hulk \( byrne \) 314 \( 2 \) 318 marc spector moon knight 1 3 \( 4 \) 4 \( 3 \) 5 6 \( 2 \) new mutants 22 30 31 37 , 40 , 54 , 55 x factor 2 \( 2 \) x men 138 163 vf 167 168 \( 2 \) 196 , 199 serious inquiries alpha flight 17 x men crossover 33 wolverine appearance daredevil 226 nm miller plot 227 nm miller script starts 228 nm miller teenage mutant ninja turtles 1 \( 3 \) nm \( second printing , comic size \) 4 \( 7 \) nm \( first printing , magazine size \) 5 \( 4 \) nm \( first printing , comic size \) 1 \( 9 \) nm \( original printing \) 1 \( 3 \) nm \( original printing \) raphael 1 nm \( original printing \) x factor 1 \( 5 \) nm x men new teen titans \( marvel c crossover , w \) 1 nm rob msc cornell edu
tom vpnet chi il us \( tom hansen \) subject replacement program organization vpnet public access lines 27 article uupcb com les tom com \( les tom \) writes maw ying yuan wrote yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \( maw ying yuan \) subject replacement program manager file manager \? message id news hawaii edu date thu , 29 apr 1993 06 44 04 gmt replacements win3 1 's program manager file manager \? yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \) hi , 've using 's plug program manager best one 've seen ceo , software version , retail version 40 50 's incredibly complete , level , choose icon , hot keys , drop menus , button bars , etc n't found anything n't try mailing 144 compuserve com details tom tom hansen beard grows toes never wears tom vpnet chi il us clothes wraps hair around bare , yam yam road goes shel
rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu \( ramin taraz \) subject need gif iff file format organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu could somebody please email info either gif iff file formats , get info \? thanx rtaraz wpi wpi edu
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject subliminal message flashing tv organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 24 lihan ccwf cc utexas edu \( bruce g bostwick \) writes well , yes image ca n't screen less 1 30 second , mixture images 's 90 field supposed 10 addition could overlaid one field , producing overall effect sluggish discrete image projected 1 300 second 1950s idea supposedly , splicing frame buy popcorn upped popcorn sales movie theatre big flap time congress involved talk making illegal general agreement networks years ago , junior person advertising agency invented subliminal projection one commercial went tape single frame messages aired stations , tech one station , previewing tape , noticed flicker looked tape frame frame find defect big flap fcc notified commercial pulled press reports embarassed ad agency could probably find press reports via dialog wanted everybody vcrs , 's likely anybody could get away tv john nagle
jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 20 nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) writes conditions , easy serbs play divide conquer game , get muslims croats \( strong common serbs divided croatia bosnia attempted yugoslavia , ripping 2 , 000 , 000 serbs property yugoslavia croatian muslim nations right , republics additionally , negotiated , would probably required international instead illegal , unilateral , acts war yugoslavia want ripped yugoslavia nick
peter todd chan pc1o andrew cmu edu subject klipsch forte 2 4 sale organization fifth yr senior , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu item klipsch forte 2 speakers condition mint age 6 months old price 1000 pair \( retail 1400 pair \) speakers perfect condition used audiophile system floor standing come original literature also still warranty interested questions , please feel free e mail \( pc1o andrew cmu edu \) call home thanks , jon \( 412 \) 882 6425
kwp wag caltech edu \( kevin w plaxco \) subject gamma ray bursters \? organization california institute technology , pasadena , ca lines 35 nntp posting host wag caltech edu article 27apr199320210230 stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) writes given fact , spacecraft attitude knowledge approx 2 , might able figure well batse determine location \( rotational \) gamma ray burster knowledge sky map 's accuracy pr material three instruments give accuracies order fractions degree , 's help believe fundamental difference x three instruments focusing instruments , , less , form image , positional errors limited craft attitude resolving power optics batse altogether different beast , effectively 8 coincidence counters , one corner craft positional information triangulated differential signal arrival times detectors positional error would predominantly determined timing errors errors craft attitude since none 8 baste detectors independant angular resolution whatsoever , used determine parallax indeed , parallax would add small component positional error demonstrating puppies beyond oort cloud would require resolution order , since oort cloud postulated extend 0 5 parsec \( together parallax arc second , parsec distance object demonstrates one arc second parallax 2 au base line \) 3 degree accuracy reported true , 're going add baste pluto fast flyby get enough baseline beauty baste gives positional information watches entire sky simultaneously , realy handy combination idea next burst coming kevin
scottj magic dml georgetown edu \( john l scott \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization j random misconfigured site x posted iamac 1 dml georgetown edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 11 joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu wrote people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved constitution n't sociopaths , normal people , eh \? must n't allow constitution applying everybody , eh \? disgust john l scott
lennart blade stack urc tue nl \( lennart \) subject wanted diagram drawing program organization stack , eindhoven university technology , netherlands lines 38 nntp posting host blade stack urc tue nl x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 looking program draw various kinds diagrams linux system must free must run standard \( monochrome \) x small screen size \( 800x600 \) motif openlook etc must compile linux gcc g generic unix software works ok must produce postscript files include latex documents tell another free program converts one supported formats ps must produce drawings larger window size \( \) know several programs , idraw , xfig tgif experience features would like programs ability draw circles , arcs , straight lines , boxes arrows support dashed solid line styles objects support texts size ability move copy resize rotate part drawing ability turn part drawing library component \( e g transistor symbol composed three lines , arrow circle \) aid \( numeric coordinates , screen grid \) align parts drawing less essential , fact handy preservation connection move one part drawing , lines connect part rest drawing , stay connected ideally want tool general flexible comfortable draw electronic schematics , flow charts , logic diagrams , data flow diagrams block diagrams want know programs offer features programs \? demanding programs respect disk space , memory cpu usage \? programs known work linux monochrome x \? lennart
spatel cs tamu edu \( k patel \) subject background processing x applications organization computer science department , texas university lines 31 distribution world nntp posting host cs tamu edu written server program makes socket connections many nodes collects data nodes periodically need display data x application tried invoke server using works ok problem time delay collecting data n't returns time application remains busy n't respond users input button press events queued server finished task going try call reads pipe something read pipe thinking creating one pipe server write client x application read doubts may able clarify 1 \) fork process create copy process right ! ! two copies mean \? two shells fork application responsibilities processes call processes \? 2 \) fork one processes read one servers input thanks patel spatel cs tamu edu
rosa ghost dsi unimi \( massimo rossi \) subject l b vs vesa l b organization computer science dep milan university lines 30 hi folks 386 25 mhz i'm buying new 486 first question \) best way share hard disks printer p two pc far 10 meter like use parallel port ethernet card like share resource dos linux os2 1 windows 3 1 nt 2 \) 486 \? think buy 486 dx2 local bus heard board work properly cause true \? 486 dx 50 mhz better solution case buy local bus 's better buy accelerated svga card normal local bus ide controller better buy local bus svga card non accelerated normal ide controller \? 3 \) accelerated local bus possibly true color svga card \? price \? 4 \) need buy cd cheapest able read musical photo kodak computer cd rom heard sony mitsumi best \? controller work \? thank everyone rosa ghost sm dsi unimi
powlesla acs ucalgary ca \( jim powlesland \) subject mac disks windows \? nntp posting host acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 23 article 180 uupcb hal9k com scott lynn hal9k com \( scott lynn \) writes well , alot graphic design work , remaining loyal dos windows instead macs college n't , though , scan images macintosh anyone know program read mac disks apple file exchange nac writes dos disks probably leaves visibly older every session want transfer windows instead would appreciate info want windows program , settle dos program called mac allows read mac 3 5 high density disks dos machine get program simtel 20 i'm sure directory location jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary ca academic computing services voice \( 403 \) 220 university calgary message \( 403 \) 220 6201 calgary , alberta canada t2n 1n4 fax \( 403 \) 282 9199
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 20 article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote think come abolish law prophets come abolish fulfill tell truth , clarify earlier quote god 's laws originally written israelites jesus changed fact making law applicable people , jews gentiles could part kingdom heaven saving grace god never said law made obsolete jesus n't jesus changed rules game \( see quote \) , paul cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
paul data io com \( paul brownlow \) subject 1993 nhl draft organization data corporation lines 11 article 1993apr20 newshub ariel yorku ca , cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes tampa bay either go russian kozlov \( think 's \) defenseman rob \( probably last name wrong \) rob niedermayer forward \( center , think \) whl medicine hat tigers brother , scott , defenseman \( nj devils \) paul brownlow visualize data corp redmond , wa paul data io com
kenton shaver andrew cmu edu subject challenge microsoft supporters organization sponsored account , systems group 82 , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 47 28y noose ecn purdue edu nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 28y noose ecn purdue edu ms innovated anything \? really come cares hope ms keeps best getting usable productive software masses lets see ms products n't major bugs \? oh , fifth release bugs generally cleared , even customers must buy new releases little bug fixes anyone buys 2500 computer system runs ms windows desperate need sympathy oh wait ! ms innovated plastic housing ms mouse n't \? logitech inside personally , 'll blasphemous say microsoft keeps well , hope see much stricter copyright patent laws computer algorithms , concepts , interfaces , intellectual properties protect real 'd hate one actually , microsoft come like huge use brute mass \( development staff , marketing , etc \) get fat innovation n't much sympathy apple 's complaint microsoft , since took ideas xerox 's pa research center federal government forced xerox disclose patents antitrust fears however , companies individuals great idea , yet get borrowed larger corporations afford quickly bring market , without licensing original , feel much sympathy larry larry weeks fight monsters make sure dev ecn purdue edu process become monster , look long abyss abyss also looks friedrich ca n't even really call secondary creativity company gathers together bunch knock packages ms anything , appears someone first appears ms finding throwing money technological problems means guaranteed solution kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows
bill dcs glasgow ac uk \( \( super \) bill russell \) subject important se 30 users organization glasgow university computing science dept lines 23 problems bunch se 30 's one labs fault machines either bomb freeze attempting write internal floppies internal floppies tested fine , means main board fault machines come batch date code back machines december 1990 1 machine batch 2 user experience fault 3 warranty repair feedback would appreciated post results net bill mail william russell , computing science dept , tel \( 041 \) 339 glasgow univ , 17 gardens , glasgow , uk arpa bill dcs glasgow ac uk nsfnet relay ac uk usenet bill dcs glasgow uucp janet bill uk ac glasgow dcs mcsun ! ukc ! dcs glasgow ac uk ! bill
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject satellite around pluto mission \? organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu , nsmca aurora alaska edu writes plan put satellite around planet solar system keep watch \? help better ask questions spout opinion 've progressing towards goal 30 years precede orbiting mission flyby missions course , gets harder work way farther away earth 're starting work outer planets galileo orbit jupiter , cassini around saturn mission \( unmanned \) pluto stay orbit record things around near pluto well first things first 'll flyby mission first since much easier faster fast pluto flyby mission approved 'll launch pluto mission end decade pluto orbiter however requires larger spacecraft longer cruise period orbit insertion requires fuel carried along restricts trajectory slower approach velocity pluto 'd imagine though would neptune orbiting mission pluto orbiting mission , unless pluto flyby turns something really interesting ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu subject replacement custom seats , get \? nntp posting host twetzel ucs indiana edu organization indiana university x useragent nuntius v1 1 lines 14 article 1993apr26 colorado edu jerry bowman , bowmanj csn org writes car talking \? camaro , chevelle , gto , nova , etc bunch places get 68 corvette , n't want put corvette seats original seats shape uncomfortable hell i'm going store find set drive vette catalogs i'm looking generic type seat modify brackets cushion height overall width concern 've looked local without success would like find pair cheapo 's use summer tom
doug hparc0 aus hp com \( doug parsons \) subject 48 bit graphics organization hp australasian response centre \( melbourne \) lines 7 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 apollo \( hp \) graphics board 80 bit graphics heard , jumped answer n't 100 trillion trillion trillion colors actually 10 planes 8 bits \( 5 planes 16 bits , etc \) fast graphics
farenebt logic camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject college hockey star game roster organization clarkson university lines 67 nntp posting host logic clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 someone asked rosters college hockey senior star shrine game held , maine earlier month west derek plante minn duluth \( west mvp game \) greg johnson n dakota bryan smolinski mich st fred st cloud state chris campbell wisconsin superior glenn lang uw superior chris bergeron miami joe cook miami jamie brett bowling green david roberts michigan todd uw stevens point john young mich tech brett minn duluth pat michigan barry richter wisconsin mike smith lssu chris st shaun ak \( goalie \) tom newman minnesota bryan denver ron mason mich st \( coach \) steve nelson uw superior jim knapp minn duluth east jack duffy yale chris scott meehan mass lowell aaron miller vermont kevin bu chris potter connecticut ray middlebury greg st lawrence bob providence steve clarkson dan merrimack ryan hughes cornell mark yale matt harvard chris mcgee scott rit jim montgomery maine david sacco bu chris clarkson \( goalie \) \( east 's mvp game \) garth snow maine grant wood hamilton brian brown \( coach \) shawn walsh maine bruce connecticut original rosters may changes actual game \( guys able participate whatever \) bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 33 article 8mg news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes , though , black soot billowing outside compound added fast fire spread someone dousing large parts compound sort gasoline fire starter lots house fires give black smoke far speed fire winds 30mph least day guess 're forgetting way oakland berkeley looked back 91 folks use \? smg doubt feds interested arresting vernon real unbalanced one \( least one lost cool \) vernon , figured likely \( jesus persecuted authorities , followers hold onto , made decision followers also probably felt heaven stuff \) conclusion , came umpteen million hours listening npr radio shows \( always radio going office talk show news program background noise \) personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
lairdb crash cts com \( laird p broadfield \) subject request advice waist bags fanny organization well , head top , arm side , two legs lines 13 angel qdeck com burge qdeck com \( bill burge \) writes \( 've heard color strip bianchi put identify bianchi fanny pack law enforcement recieved flyer indicating color combinations easy sighting led sales bianchi \) well , easy decision bianchi anything laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd , nosc ! crash ! lairdb hi ! i'm shareware signature ! send 5 use , send 10 manual !
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject law retribution organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 89 law retribution violent crime , racism , bigotry , domestic abuse , rape , police brutality oppression , human rights violations , etc , etc , continue get worse worse spite man made laws levels local ordinances international law man made laws working failure communicate ! perpetrators remain ignorant law universal , cosmic , spiritual law law retribution karma deceived god mocked whatsoever man , shall also reap galatians 6 7 , kjv captivity shall go captivity sword must killed sword patience faith saints revelation 13 10 , kjv goes around comes around law universe real physical law every action equal opposite reaction enforcement , teeth , behind golden rule unto others would others unto perpetrators present become victims future , likely future incarnation victims present perpetrators past , usually previous life needed massive worldwide program education teach present potential perpetrators , convincing manner \( sufficient supporting evidence \) , others done , life next anyone doubts fact reincarnation , related law retribution , read books hereafter , ruth montgomery , describes several kinds evidence supporting reincarnation , including regression past lives 50 accurate mind sometimes make things , especially bad , spontaneous recall \( especially young children , identify recent previous relatives , homes , possessions , etc \) , dream recall past life experiences , deja vu \( familiarity far land traveling first time vacation \) , psychic readings late edgar , even supporting statements christian bible including matthew 17 11 13 \( john baptist reincarnation elias \) john 9 1 2 \( person possibly sin born , unless lived \? ! \) strong interests , innate talents , strong phobias , etc , typically originate person 's past lives example , strong fear swimming traveling water usually results drowned end previous life sometimes person take immediate dislike another person met first time present life , bad encounter previous incarnation people would behave much better toward knew actions present surely reaped future , future incarnation ! information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( books like hereafter , ruth montgomery \) un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine 2nd initiate eckankar , \( agent thereof \)
ua256 freenet victoria bc ca \( tom moffat \) subject forsberg nntp posting host freenet victoria bc ca organization camosun college , victoria b c , canada lines 9 e give stats world championships sao mail ua256 freenet victoria bc ca tom moffat victoria b c canada
cs bgsu edu \( laura \) subject info world hockey championships organization bowling green state university lines 7 anyone information world hockey championships specifically us team \? game summaries stats would greatly appreciated ! ! usa today reported us beat czech republic , limit story thanks laura
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject calder cup schedule organization clarkson university lines 67 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 full 1993 calder cup playoff schedule results home team caps necesary first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm 1 springfield 3 providence 2 gm 2 springfield 5 providence 4 gm 3 providence 3 springfield 2 gm 4 providence 9 springfield 0 gm 5 springfield 4 providence 2 gm 6 4 24 providence springfield gm 7 4 27 springfield providence cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm 1 adirondack 6 cdi 2 gm 2 adirondack 5 cdi 3 gm 3 adirondack 3 cdi 0 gm 4 adirondack 3 cdi 1 \( adirondack wins series , 4 0 \) baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers gm 1 baltimore 4 binghamton 3 gm 2 binghamton 6 baltimore 2 gm 3 binghamton 8 baltimore 3 gm 4 4 24 binghamton baltimore gm 5 4 26 baltimore binghamton gm 6 4 28 binghmaton baltimore gm 7 4 30 baltimore binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm 1 utica 3 rochester 2 \( ot \) gm 2 rochester 9 utica 3 gm 3 rochester 6 utica 4 gm 4 rochester 4 utica 3 \( ot \) gm 5 4 24 utica rochester gm 6 4 26 rochester utica gm 7 4 28 utica rochester moncton hawks vs st john 's maple leafs gm 1 st john's 4 moncton 2 \( halifax \) gm 2 st john's 3 moncton 2 \( halifax \) gm 3 st john 's 6 moncton 5 gm 4 moncton 5 st john 's 4 \( ot \) gm 5 4 26 moncton vs st john 's halifax gm 6 4 28 st john 's moncton gm 7 4 30 moncton vs st john 's halifax cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm 1 fredericton 4 cape breton 3 \( 2ot \) gm 2 cape breton 5 fredericton 2 gm 3 cape breton 3 fredericton 0 gm 4 cape breton 6 fredericton 5 \( ot \) gm 5 4 24 cape breton fredericton gm 6 4 26 fredericton cape breton gm 7 4 28 cape breton fredericton \( note series ap reports cb series 4 1 , original schedule , game 5 n't supposed tonight oilers 3 1 \) bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject cd300 question organization university washington lines 4 nntp posting host carson u washington edu double speed performance cd drive require scsi 2 interfacing resultant 300 kbps speed well within transfer rate lc words , believe given incorrect information
mcgary intellection com \( mike mcgary \) subject ics widget data book reply olav nordic offshore 's message thu , 13 may 93 07 53 28 gmt organization intellection , inc lines 25 article 1993may13 nordic offshore olav nordic offshore \( jan olav \) writes anyone know obtain information ics widget data book \? email address , n't seem reading \( replying \) mail ics integrated computer solutions incorporated 201 broadway cambridge , 02139 vox \( 617 \) 621 0060 fax \( 617 \) 621 9555 email info ics com circle 9 reader service card mike mcgary mcgary intellection com intellection , inc dallas , texas vox \( 214 \) 620 2100 fax \( 214 \) 484
markm bigfoot sps mot com \( mark monninger \) subject bimmer vs beamer nntp posting host 223 250 10 7 reply rapw20 email sps mot com organization sps distribution usa lines 19 article andrei andrei uucp \( andrei \) writes back building round tail light bimmers \( red , generated , eating \) yuppies got market \( became beamers hood ornaments started yep , 's noticed stopped replacing hood badge second third one \( 12 00 \) 2002 drivers used flash headlight greeting try flashing headlights driver see kind look get usually check radar detector think 're cop mark
donald n109 z1 com \( donald \) subject pb memory sale lines 12 two meg sim came pb100 sale asking 60 \( postage included \) interested please e mail via internet internet availability may contact 301 468 reply donald internet dcl com
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject fax machine scanners mono computer scanners \? organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 16 wondering , since 've got fax machine scanners intact , could integrated pc environment mono scanner \? , start \? ! thanks inspiration comes baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca seek baden de bari unknown
athena mit edu \( john angelo \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization massachusetts general hospital lab computer science lines 54 nntp posting host mit edu article jon noring writes article rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes believe quacks exist \? quack diagnoses \? true focus medical profession ama boards focus quacks instead unbelievable energy destroy pull licenses doctors trying non traditional fully accepted treatments desperate patients traditional accepted medicine cannot help prescribe itraconazole patient 's sinusitis neither ama , fda , state licensing board , knocking door ask specious argument backs pee pee obedience teach medical school throw authority around \? among things , evaluate new theories treatments let put another way make point clear quack nebulous word lacking precision sole use obfuscate issues hand funny , thought meant one ability experience diagnosis treatment disease effects achieved treatment offers \( 's 27th \) certainly precision conveyed chronic yeast indiscriminate use word sure sign coming medical doctor \( wanna \) , competency expected , real scary inability discriminate erroneous representations far frightening fraud promote treatment evidence either lacking knows , error honest practitioner n't know failure speak either \( p , may suggest seriously doctors wanna doctors net refuse open mind alternative treatments theories , yeast theory , create moderated group may reply seriously practitioners proponents non scientific medicine left minds open parts brains critical evaluation fallen , learn edit newsgroup headers conform existing hierarchy divisions john angelo lab computer science mit edu massachusetts general hospital eternal student boston , massachusetts , usa earth , connected network walt whitman
alter rchland vnet ibm com \( eric alter \) subject 1994 mustang reply alter rchland vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host sultan rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester mn lines 30 article murdoch acc virginia edu , jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) writes got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? everything 've read correct , ford nothing skinning existing mustang , minor suspension modifications pictures 've seen indicate n't good job new mustang , nothing cycle 20 year old car jeff \? \? \? heard new engine slated mustang something like \( ok , one lines \) eric alter
ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu \( ardie mack \) subject emm386 windows organization department plant pathology lines 17 pc almost exclusively run windows dos based application config sys emm386 loaded option noems \( expanded memory \) following thread one comp newsgroups , read necessary emm386 loaded indeed , manual , says emm386 used get expanded memory extended memory since noems option , seems emm386 device useless case use emm386 remove config sys \? thanks help , eric emm386 noems enables system use upper memory 640 1024 's good place device drivers , dos kernal , etc \( keep ! \)
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject disks copy protected organization lines 64 article ms uky edu msunde01 mik uky edu writes article 1r76sbinnkap flop engr orst edu noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) writes hate hard copy manuals , would rather docs online want copy program , usually faster convenient sifting old book ca n't find mho , prefer hardcopy books three four open spread across bed \( next desk dorm \) reference using program full screen windows help things come closest good line documentation 've seen , generally n't detailed enough would probably take large amount space \( even compressed \) premium system fact , manuals primary reason bought borland 's c compiler instead using one lab licensed \( lab , course \) 've got shelf full books help i'm stuck \) \) agree 100 , personally cannot flip page page screen retain information easily written page deeper end everyone think need able make backup copy \? almost new software must installed hard disk , left originals backups think waste time , space , money , well makes tempting lend backups 've destroyed six sets original microsoft word mac 5 0 word windows \( may bad batch disks \) n't idea happened , went bad n't stored near magnetic fields otherwise mistreated , indeed used given , massive headaches finding working set disks fix machines periodically go , 'd say working backups sure wish 'd \( sometimes think murphy 's law holds true often newton 's ! ! \) needed think 's like snake 99 995 time absolutely use , need , boy ever need ! ditto 's fact work , things dead backup good , insist least 2 level backup system seems whenever 2 good backups , never need , n't , murphy guarantees 'll suffer n't backups originals home machine n't see anywhere near use abuse lab , consider less risk still , usually make working copies install eventually use working copies something else flames intended thoughts mine , ! \) mine course richard dell
cbnewsb cb att com \( mr x \) subject rewording second amendment \( ideas \) organization twilight zone lines 51 article 1993apr21 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi \( foxvog douglas \) writes means would support ban narrow enough good stated implied try asking nerve gas mustard gas well defined poisonous gasses individually banned shown use related weaponry licenses available research purposes chemicals laughable licenses \? right would need license possess chlorine gas \? weapons grade poison would breaking law , say , pour spot cat pissed floor \? reaction ammonia pure chlorine gas go jail \? \? would need license possess chemical agents \? nicotine \? deadly poison , rather fast acting must become licensed tobacco \? nicotine , even poison \? need license possess type \? raid \( tm \) \? black flag \? gasoline \? benzene \? \( violent poison \) \? go jail possessing tomatoes went bad \? mom pop qc lab use \( mustard gas \) lot analysis certain non prescription pharmaceuticals \? wish use potassium cyanide recover gold aqua \? license \? would need license possess beryllium , perhaps poisonous non radioactive metal \? beryllium copper alloy \? need license could used make powerful explosive devices one ira recently detonated , killing 1 45 \? vinegar without license \? hydrogen peroxide \? line drawn \? lawyer , ideas could certainly basis definitions yes could , good ideas \? needed \? shred sanity \? scarcely , trust andy v
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject windows nt und x windows \? organization texas instruments inc lines 15 1993apr26 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de \( hein \) writes sure whether right area , anybody know whether windows nt include x windows server run x window applications remotely \? , insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
dude pcs com \( michael elbel \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization pcs computer systeme gmbh lines 48 senator bedfellow mit edu steve launchpad unc edu writes fri , 14 may 1993 07 15 25 gmt , dude pcs com \( michael elbel \) said , emu wo n't work bsd derived systems \( e g suns \) anything else csh fix , short \( remove one line code \) 'll put export today 's actually version export one cannot specify posix tty behaviour , posix config files incomplete without specific platforms like suns looked twice porting emu linux , stopped short tty part version emu supports posix tty explicitly \? hmm , depends define jordan implemented system dependent stuff way basic implementations , call , operating system types , go ahead write include file specific machine operating system using basic implementations since jordan n't encountered os flavor yet , fully posix , n't gotten around really implement \( test \) top level include file specifically posix posix routines used sun specific file tty sun example , also use bsd stuff still probably better implement include file every operating system ' existing ones type mess result clearly seen xterm sources even quite bit code gets copied almost unchanged couple times , uses disk space , since drivers actually included toplevel include file compiled emu n't hard come tty linux file fully relies posix stuff , unfortunately n't linux system available , ca n't port would suggest read readme term problems questions , contact could try sort unfortunately rely help net part emu , since n't access many different systems michael michael elbel , digital pcs gmbh , muenchen , germany dude pcs com nur fuer mia fermentation fault \( dumped \)
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization express access online communications usa lines 14 nntp posting host access digex net article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable , may thus indirectly contributed array problems design solar arrays detachable shuttle going retunr hst , bother arrays fit quick release one space walk , use second canadarm remove arrays pat
rstimets silver ucs indiana edu \( robert stimets \) subject strike zone width \( jose canseco 's swing \) nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution na lines 35 article atlas nafb trw com atlas nafb trw com writes huckabay 's counting frames bat speed discussion well , 's studying tape , frame frame 's biggest thing notice , however , strike zone become death union ! plate 17 \( 1 \) across , 23 ! call high strikes strikes , quit calling pitches 3 outside strikes 're balls ! speaking 23 wide strike zone 'd sure like see cameras placed major league park overview shot home plate available cbs ws , dream pictures would feedback device umpires see terrible \( \) calls tapes could sent league evidence bad ball strike umpiring tapes available evidence bad safe calls bases guess nobody noticed calls world series \( , fact year \) pretty much consistently correct remember rule says 's strike part ball passes strike zone would certainly agree high strikes called \( could argue point \? \) think called pretty well rstimets
nntp posting host hawaii et byu edu lines 15 alaska et byu edu \( ed \) subject delayed write caches distribution world x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 andreas kuehnel \( idler cs tu berlin de \) wrote i'm using norton cache 5 0 , really nice horrible incompatible games wo n't work , streamer software wo n't work windows n't like copying deleting lots small files , 's surprising n't seen incompatibilities mine , version 6 01 version came upgrade 6 01 problems , symantec fixed 've n't seen anything wrong since i'm running windoze , way ed ed byu edu
subject need advice riding someone pillion stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution na organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 15 article mellon pepper ncd com mellon ncd com \( ted lemon \) writes long ride ex girlfriend nancy , would notice drifting every often swore taking passengers ten years ago , recall , 1981 getting strange looks passenger reading book n't even notice hit make hit day riders behind us john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) subject blinking leds \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 19 nntp posting host cs utexas edu buy blinking leds besides radio shack \? anyone sell blinking leds variable flash rate \? \( voltage guess \) , hertz \( pulse \) rate adjustable set \? 'd like blinking leds set approx 5 hz , 10 hz , 15 hz , 20 hz something like i'm interested 's flash rates like idea leds flasher circuits already hate soldering ics general guess n't hell lot patience thanks , dana
cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 88 distribution world nntp posting host vesta unm edu article timmbake mcl , timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( clam bake timmons \) writes fallacy 1 atheism faith lo ! hear faq wonderful rule 3 deleted 're correct , n't say anything conspiracy correction hard atheism faith yes rule 4 n't mix apples oranges say extermination mongols worse stalin \? khan conquered people unsympathetic cause atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state ! ! anyone worse \? explain stalin nothing name atheism atheist irrelevant get grip , man stalin example brought indictment atheism , merely another example people kill others name 's fit occasion , look never said , implication pretty clear i'm sorry , respond words , true meaning usenet slippery medium deleted wrt burden proof hard atheism nothing prove \? justify god exist \? know , 's faq , etc guess justifications compelling n't people flocking hard atheism \? 're , wo n't one discourage people hard atheism pointing sources reliable statements hard atheism look , i'm supporting dogmatic position 'd fool say large group people atheists , people exist wish proselytize fashion religion many hard atheists see posting , anyway \? maybe looking hard enough second , makes think i'm defending given religion \? i'm merely recognizing hard atheism , faith never meant , although understand might get idea merely using example allegory illustrate point yes , referring every reader post evidence poster stated relied upon \? evidence \? \? think may lost thread theists arrogant deleted say , absolutely true , dogma says true prepared issue blanket statements theists arrogance wont atheists bzzt ! virtue innocent little pronoun , , 've issued blanket statement least apologize qualifying original statement hard atheist place atheist would call john baptist arrogant , boasted one greater \? 's many christians today arrogant \? guilty charged meant say , theists arrogant way say , thought meaning clear enough position claims superior another supporting evidence arrogant thanks apology , btw i'm worthy ! seriously misinformed sophisticated put , theists , serious misinformation shines explained bake timmons , iii 's nothing higher , stronger , wholesome useful life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov \( dostoevsky \)
slayer student cwru edu \( chad \) subject xfree86 \? \? organization case western reserve university lines 8 nntp posting host student cwru edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 chad tv sucks case western reserve univ know 're upset right , boy , po cwru edu 'll pretend n't say ! ! slayer student cwru edu homer simpson bart
casper fwi uva nl \( casper h dik \) subject xsun finding default font \( 1 \) nntp posting host adam fwi uva nl organization fwi , university amsterdam lines 36 joel z code com \( joel reymont \) writes hi , netters ! 've built x11r5 pl 21 solaris 2 1 've used multi screen patch , well r5 sunos patch everything builds great , except error message xsun gives upon startup says cannot set default font path ' stuff deleted ' cannot set default font supply fp option , n't complain font path still complains font usr lib place distribution lives try run xsun truss \( 1 \) best way logging network typing truss open xsun open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts misc fonts dir , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts misc fonts alias , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts speedo fonts dir , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts speedo fonts alias , rdonly , 0666 \) err 2 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts 75dpi fonts dir , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts 75dpi fonts alias , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts 100dpi fonts dir , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts 100dpi fonts alias , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts misc pcf , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 open \( opt x11r5 lib x11 fonts misc cursor pcf , rdonly , 0666 \) 8 give idea xsun things fonts defined project root done make install , everything gone right default , even without symbolic links casper
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject vandalizing sky organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 34 sichase csa2 lbl gov \( scott chase \) writes article pgf srl02 cacs usl edu , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com \( jeff cook \) writes people primitive tribes middle nowhere look see budweiser flying across sky seen movie already one like come think , might send someone quest get rid dang thing actually , idea , like good ideas , comes jules verne , \( like good ideas , please , people ! \) gods must crazy one lesser known books \( ca n't remember one right \) , balloon , travelling africa way around world balloon , five weeks balloon good idea unless helium verne 's n't got lucky yes , knew title movie , n't want start talking except bring image team african showing launch site flint knives stop launch \( anyone want bet success \? especially since could probably stop shuttle launch hard within couple miles launch site \) phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
binger hsh com subject wanted advice new cylist organization hsh associates lines 26 article 1993apr20 rd hydro ca , jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes question dangerous riding \? 's exactly dangerous looks 're hard see little protection keeping trouble means knowing limits , keeping machine good shape able predict make every stupid move drivers make deal 's fun , staying alive takes conscious effort 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada thanks , jody ca n't say 've ever seen summed succinctly might add two things stupid road design \( poor , least \) deal fun brotherhood share others take lives feel wind hair imho binger binger binger hsh com really thing welcome attitude express corporate opinion \? , maybe get boss let express \)
fred sobel u fr \( frederic pierre \) subject q xterm lines 12 hello , i'm looking good explanation example usefulness option xterm slave mode file descriptor xxx sure , xterm seem grab arrives window ding \? tia fred frederic pierre 7 rue de f strasbourg france tel \( 33 \) 88 35 80 84 fax \( 33 \) 88 35 31 76 e mail fred sobel u fr
jbrown vax cns muskingum edu subject espn cares less hockey organization muskingum college lines 23 espn pathetic , watching everybody complain espn 's coverage agree might suggest getting worked nothing knew espn 's coverage going suck mean ever watched regular season sportscenter coverage hockey \? sucks , mean really sucks ! ! ! espn know hockey shot ass really pissed last night , coverage go school ohio know indians suck , show \? bill clement would shoot anyway calmed realized going show overtime caps isles game thought knew going happen , fact praying least would keep even boring devils game overall think espn care show hockey firmly belive know respect fans ie contract obligations , screw espn praise hockey fans put shit ! go hawks ! ! ! jb
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject good reasons wave organization louisiana tech university lines 13 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1993apr21 1911 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes waved guy riding mower morning count \? btw , live country everyone waves ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines god real , unless declared integer came , saw , deleted files black holes god dividing zero world end 5 minutes please log earth 98 full please delete anyone
maridai comm mot com \( marida ignacio \) subject bernadette dates organization trunking fixed lines 52 jek cu nih gov writes joe moore writes mary time appeared girl named bernadette lourdes referred immaculate conception since nine year old would way knowing doctrine , apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine bernadette 14 years old visions , 1858 , four years dogma officially proclaimed pope , james kiefer forgot exactly age remember clearly born family poverty education , whatsoever , age apparitions suffered asthma age family living abandoned prison cell sort ask several times apparitions name since confessor priest asked several instances , priest get answer since bernadette receive one time , several apparitions passed , lady finally said , immaculate conception , bernadette , happy repeated words mind forget told priest asking , told priest , priest shocked asked bernadette , know talking \? bernadette know exactly meant happy answer priest priest continued , remember know \? bernadette answered honestly repeat mind way priest priest knew dogma four years old bernadette know yet answer priest finally observed took proof authentic personal revelation lady bernadette \( note lady lourdes shrine spring water lady requested bernadette dig bare hands front pilgrims start little water flowed several years water flowing \) marida spreading god 's words actions mother teresa
cbnewsj cb att com \( sandra l denton \) subject forsale pump radar organization distribution usa keywords car rack , pump , car amp , radar lines 17 i'm selling assortment goods ! ! 're excellent shape \( amp detector rarely used \) rack locks vw gti jetta \( \) 75 floor bike pump \( pink \) 20 uniden radar detector \( x k bands , orig 134 \) 75 60w car amp \( orig 150 \) 75 shipping included prices interested \? please respond email \( login cbnewsj cb att com \) phone \( 201 \) 386 office thanks ! sandy
tippu snrc uow edu au \( tippu hassan \) subject dir yassin organization snrc , university wollongong lines 51 distribution world reply tippu snrc uow edu au nntp posting host sheep snrc uow edu au article angell cs brown edu , hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes myths facts , leonard j davis , near east research inc , 1989 pp 108 109 unlike plo 's almost exclusive focus civilian targets , 100 troups irgun stern group struck deir yassin april 10 , 1948 , targeted village military importance deir yassin road jerusalem , arabs blockaded , housed iraqi troups palestinian irregulars snipers based deir yassin constant threat jewish citizens jerusalem arab civilians killed deir yassin , attack conform propaganda picture arabs tried paint number arabs killed generally reported 250 1983 , however , eric silver guardian \( britain \) interviewed survivor , sammour , testified 116 population 800 1000 killed three days massacre , ' sammour explained , five clans deir yassin met moslem offices jerusalem made list people found \( alive \) went names nothing happend since 1948 make think figure wrong ' unlike plo 's deliberate attacks civilians , killing civilians deir yassin premeditated attackers left open escape corridor village 200 residents left unharmed remind bosnia ethnic cleansing \? \? \? \? \? \? tippu remaining arabs feigned surrender fired jewish troops , attackers killed arab soldiers civilians indiscriminately independent observers told guardian among bodies found arab men disguised women
uni mannheim de \( \) subject tga viewer ati ultra organization uni mannheim lines 12 nntp posting host uni mannheim de x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 hello , subject line says i'm looking tga file viewer ati ultra card support true color modes , course someone knows find one via ftp , please let know thanx oliver
kam cv hp com \( keith marchington \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc nntp posting host cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 91 mark 'mark' sachs \( mbs110 psuvm psu edu \) wrote oh \? smoke flames start three different places \? particular , three different places apv 's \? crushed remains pressurized propane tank found ruins bd compound key word pressurized baby crushed , gas would gone place ignited , would look like pictures explosion saw tv news ammo n't go kind like going propane gas goes big fireball gee , 's kind consistent history shows hmmmmm government start fire , n't people trying get compound \? remember , pressurized gas people building conflagration less minute huge explosion gas masks worn inhabitants makes lot sense inside would even know tank damaged thought normal fire , would probably trying put boom fireball explosion concussion , doubt anybody inside building capable moving besides oh , n't know i'm even bothering good question take objective look happened , listen things fbi said \( bd 's started fire bd 's bodies found gunshot wounds \) refuted evidence recovered seems fbi deliberately making statements rational basis fact , trying make sound like fact find tremendously chilling many people seem eager believe murderous , heavily armed religious cult , despite much evidence contrary thought experiment suppose exact thing happened bush administration would answer \? would still prefer believe cultists \? yes , would still believe fbi batf non stop string lies half truths consistent operations numerous occasions bd 's murderous , cause problems assaulted batf thought experiment batf never stormed farm , would four agents 90 bd 's dead today \? \( , n't really expect response challenge \) , mr clinton elected , people believe campaign promisses would respected got office um , n't politicians elected \? yes politicians elected kind scary , n't people actually held mr clinton promises instead apologizing denying ever made , actually expected accountability government , doubt like waco would happen often particular reason gummint decided slaughter eighty people \? , like , plain evil , \? wake one day , stretch yawn , throw dart map united states figure oppress day \? i'm eager know acutally , batf rather history raids sort prior time budget comes review oddly enough , budget reviewed two weeks initial raid bd 's coincidence \? think ! fire , happened caused act knocking walls armored vehicle destruction fbi tried convince world suicide , facts coming investigation texas rangers medical examiners point gas explosion quick fire decimated occupants building sounds like law enforcement agency trying cover ass bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader \? diabolical laughter \? look good cape \? things must investigated first oh , please want argue , argue merely want see differently , please go somewhere else mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu keith marchington
barring cs washington edu \( david barrington \) subject mea culpa bosio organization computer science engineering , u washington , seattle lines 46 like clinton reno , accept full responsibility senseless disaster wife picked game go thus caused return pre season projected sox offense like 's bosio good , lucky \( hard grounder vaughn glove straight boone threw bosio first , 3 4 1 \) , backed good defense \( many non trivial groundouts \) game amazingly fast , sox tended go quickly hesketh also working fast sox relief pitching ok runs quantrill two ridiculous hard line single greenwell let get past trying catch greenwell 's mental stability serious concern \( guess always , quirks amusing back mvp candidate \) wednesday got huff johnson striking bad inside pitch \( apparently johnson made ok , 've got stay focused gesture iron mike interpreted taunting \) , struck heavy next two times valentine noted , last night came first riles quintana walked open game say take first pitch \? mike , 6 4 3 pi quoted bosio batting practice fastball next time also hit first pitch , hard liner straight center also made pathetic error failed catch boone 's hr \( looked comparable ball lance johnson caught highlight reel night \) riles good defensively \? could n't tell field angle range looked bad , dp cost run two leadoff \? hope fletcher gets well soon also , put bret boone fifth reasons beyond seemed work , 3 4 hr good defense \( wag behind us said sure n't want go back calgary ! \) theory put leadoff type fifth 'll likely lead second \( boone \) well , face hot angels another power pitcher langston reminder contest entries open next wednesday expect surge way , ties broken earliest entry one entry per person , please , easy pseudonyms dave mb
iop iie edu tw subject program wm protocols open look toolkit organization lab lines 195 hi , studying book unix desktop guide open look example c demonstrate program wm protocols property chapter 8 run , show static text messages , notice pop problem \? thanks advance help ! ! 1 iop file c shows set properties window include x11 h definition xa atom include x11 intrinsic h include x11 h include xol openlook h include xol h include xol h include xol notice h file defines atoms ol prefix id top level noticeshell widget static widget top level , notice shell static widget make notice \( \) static char message clients use properties communicate window manager example illustrates open look application requests notification window manager certain events occur communication form event application processes event handler atoms used inter client communication atom atom wm protocols , atom wm delete window , atom wm save static void handle wm messages \( \) static void save exit \( \) static void save \( \) static void pop notice \( \) static void exit \( \) string hold line \( use responding wm save protocol message char saved cmdline 128 void main \( argc , argv \) int argc char argv widget w int save command line use responding wm save protocol message sprintf \( saved cmdline , , argv 0 \) \( argc 1 \) \( 1 argc \) \( saved cmdline , argv \) \( saved cmdline , \) create initialize top level widget top level \( argv 0 , ol main , null , 0 , argc , argv \) create widget w xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( , , top level , , message , , 200 , null \) create noticeshell widget later use make notice \( top level \) intern atoms atom wm protocols xinternatom \( xtdisplay \( w \) , wm protocols , false \) atom wm delete window xinternatom \( xtdisplay \( w \) , wm delete window , false \) atom wm save xinternatom \( xtdisplay \( w \) , wm save , false \) add event handler process events sent window manager xtaddeventhandler \( top level , , true , handle wm messages , null \) realize widgets start processing events xtrealizewidget \( top level \) append properties wm delete window wm save definition wm protocols property step requires window id top level widget window id valid widget realized \( xtdisplay \( top level \) , xtwindow \( top level \) , atom wm protocols , xa atom , 32 , , atom wm delete window , 1 \) \( xtdisplay \( top level \) , xtwindow \( top level \) , atom wm protocols , xa atom , 32 , , atom wm save , 1 \) xtmainloop \( \) static void handle wm messages \( w , client data , p event \) widget w xtpointer client data xevent p event \( p event type p event xclient message type atom wm protocols \) \( p event xclient data l 0 atom wm delete window \) save exit \( \) \( p event xclient data l 0 atom wm save \) save \( \) static void save exit \( \) display notice giving user chance respond pop notice \( top level , notice shell \) static void save \( \) set wm command property saved command line \( xtdisplay \( top level \) , xtwindow \( top level \) , xa wm command , xa string , 8 , , saved cmdline , strlen \( saved cmdline \) 1 \) static widget make notice \( parent \) widget parent widget w , n text , n control , n exit , n cancel create button provide callback pop notice w xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( , , parent , xtnlabel , exit , null \) xtaddcallback \( w , , pop notice , null \) create noticeshell widget note use instead usual xtvacreatemanagedwidget notice shell \( , , w , null \) get id text control area widgets noticeshell \( notice shell , , n text , , n control , null \) place message text area noticeshell xtvasetvalues \( n text , , please confirm exit program , null \) add buttons control area noticeshell button appropriate callback n exit xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( , , n control , xtnlabel , exit , null \) xtaddcallback \( n exit , , exit , null \) n cancel xtvacreatemanagedwidget \( , , n control , xtnlabel , cancel , , true , null \) return w static void pop notice \( w , w notice \) widget w , w notice xtvasetvalues \( w notice , , w , null \) pop noticeshell widget noticeshell widget makes sure waits user selects one buttons noticeshell 's control area \( w notice , \) static void exit \( w , call data , client data \) widget w xtpointer call data , client data \( xtdisplay \( w \) \) exit \( 0 \)
mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 63 nntp posting host earth cs utexas edu article 1993apr23 dsd es com bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article earth cs utexas edu mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) writes hey , hell mean \? suck god given right express opinions , carry gun wear helmet , goddamn everything stand stupid 'd give 0 5 scale 10 mentioning hitler koresh weighs favor , also neglected mention 105 mph , tennis balls , little girls countersteering another thing consider , like mexican food , lot folks mistake heat quality subtle references various personal qualities habits ancestry generally earn points four letter words caps lock key introducing new polysyllabic word \( , example \) likely insure small part flame become immortal blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com aw , c'mon serious overreaction ought worth couple points , mention bit condemning everthing might ever say non sequitur guns helmets proper flourish personally opinion two types good flames first trade , '' sense mention , heat certain surprise value done correctly , contend done , reasonably entertaining true flame posted mention anyone 's habitual velocity , friends , dinner , entertainment , says needs appropriate short weakness type flame actually easily taken far , point becomes trite boring \( witness infante thread recently \) type flame , seem glorifying , weaknesses well first place , get verbose tedious extreme , particularly reader already strongly identify one side second , discussing someone 's personal qualities , habits , forth quickly become libelous \( slanderous \? never remember difference \) leads proliferation lawyers , widely regarded bad thing finally , introducing polysyllabic words problematic ca n't haul big around bike , would bad form use word actually turned meaning , especially one ran counter use flamage general summary , blaine , score flame incorrect may flame , weaknesses point necessarily weaknesses , suggested corrections always useful applicable also probably could n't outrun tennis ball dog posterior , 'll bet motorcycle lean outside turning goes anyone looks like , tommy mcguire mcguire cs utexas edu mcguire austin ibm com append appropriate disclaimer outgoing public information , identifying personal independent ibm
pledge netcom com \( alan \) subject mac 512ke sale keywords mac 512ke organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 12 sale mac 512ke mouse keyboard functions fine serial hard drive plugs floppy port gives 20mb hd make offers sig construction send suggestions pledge netcom com
icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) subject wjr boston distribution usa organization computer science department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 8 originator icop csa boston area , hear rangers wfan devils wabc , whalers red wings wjr course addition bruins currently may move fools owned celtics thus show bruins every time conflict also get baltimore n't think hockey btw , got station indiana fort wayne comets games
crux1 cit cornell edu \( philip f iv \) subject car wash hurt cars finish \? summary car wash better worse nothing hand washing detailing nntp posting host crux1 cit cornell edu organization cornell university lines 13 taking car car wash hurt car 's finish \? , better hand wash month , take car wash anyway \? detailing places worth money \? good , careful job washing waxing , detail place going worth \? reply email address crux1 cit cornell edu views reflect cornell 's sue dry
aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) subject jacob esau organization massachusetts institute technology lines 15 jek cu nih gov writes wrote apostle paul , romans 9 , speaks god choosing jacob esau , adds result anything either child done , since born yet 's understanding romans 9 13 written , jacob loved , esau hated refers two individuals , rather offspring , tribe jacob tribe esau see , example fact , scan ot , find similar references two tribes aaron cardenas aaronc athena mit edu
wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization university houston lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host judy uh edu keywords hst news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr29 den mmc com , starfighter den mmc com \( michael \) writes regarding feasability retrieving hst repair \( caution speculation mode engaged \) another consideration n't mentioned yet expect retrieving hst would involve considerably order return cradle cargo bay deployed items \( antennas , especially , solar \) probably retractable fully position , even hand would removed astronauts \( advantage might yield could put new panels n't due thermal cycle stresses \) also expect , discussed , landing loads hst optics structure big issue \( reentry loads much less \) optical components even caged \( assume caged launch \) \? would nice someone hst program talking instead speculation going understand dr frank six marshall space flight center problem bringing hst back designed way begin also understanding solar arrays one items replaced mission originals built brit aerospace think new ones currently working guys msfc charge hst power system , although spoken long time hst dennis , university alabama huntsville
ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) subject krillean photography organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 9 article mmeyer m2 dseg ti com mmeyer m2 dseg ti com \( mark meyer \) writes besides , kirilian photography actually photography friend 's two year old son perhaps meant kirlian \? think typo photography , practice taking pictures either finns russians , depending one asks eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
dbl visual com subject 'makedepend' problem organization c visual , inc lines 11 mlt blues infores com , xpert expo lcs mit edu problem 'makedepend' n't know correctly process i'm way adding grammar parsing expressions n't know 'll able get back 're welcome far n't looked versions makedepend , may solve problem elegantly david b lewis temporarily speaking visual , inc day dbl visual com evening david craft uunet uu net
dts cis ufl edu \( dave small \) subject wanted references parallel algorithms organization r us lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host cis ufl edu keywords parallel algorithms , , adaptive subdivision , meshing , finite element analysis , radiosity , distributed processing hi , i'm looking references parallel algorithms adaptive subdivision adaptive meshing finite element meshing analysis radiosity help greatly appreciated e mail replies dave small dts cis ufl edu
aron taos ced berkeley edu \( aron bonar \) subject gif targa organization university california , berkeley lines 9 nntp posting host taos ced berkeley edu article 1993apr28 edu pl , edu pl \( krzysztof \) writes hello , subject says need gif targa converter , could make fli krzysztof dta make fli gifs well n't need converter also get latest version dta wuarchive wustl edu pub msdos uploads
lazio astrosun tn cornell edu \( joseph lazio \) subject gamma ray bursters organization department astronomy , cornell university lines 29 senator bedfellow mit edu reply lazio astrosun tn cornell edu nntp posting host seti tn cornell edu summary galaxy transparent keywords galaxy gamma rays reply jfc athena mit edu 's message 26 apr 1993 15 37 32 gmt 26 apr 1993 15 37 32 gmt , jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) said jfc gamma ray bursters , would absorption jfc galaxy expected \? transparent galactic core gamma jfc rays \? later jim \( jbatka desire wright edu \) said jb , 1 r 2 law incorrect \( assume jb unknown material dark matter \? \? inhibits gamma ray propagation \) , jb could possible actually seeing much less energetic jb events happening much closer us \? even distribution could jb caused characteristic propagation distance gamma rays jb shorter 1 2 thickness disk galaxy 0 well , maybe zero , little typical energies gamma rays , galaxy effectively transparent hans review article ann rev astrophys years back discusses depth e mail lazio astrosun tn cornell edu joseph lazio phone \( 607 \) 255 6420 icbm 42 deg 20' 08 n 76 deg 48 w cornell knows exist \? ! \? stop rape
att com \( joe \) subject gun control , needs \? organization bell labs , naperville nntp posting host ih att com lines 32 article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes stuff deleted 3 \) teflon bullet bill proposed nra included much think mean hci teflon bullets would banned damn near common hunting ammunition 4 \) finally get bill outlawed sale teflon bullets teflon bullets outside law enforcement community guess wrote , joe \? beloved nra snip followups p g cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet joe joe bell laboratories att com room ih 6g 329 ! 2000 n naperville rd \( 708 \) 979 naperville , il
aurora cc monash edu au \( andrew bulhak \) subject new religion forming sign organization monash university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 33 jim \( isaac rpi edu \) wrote article rpi edu , weinss rs6101 ecs rpi edu \( stephen andrew weinstein \) writes let begin saying think world 's first religion use net major recruitment medium therefore , even religion take , founding members important historically method soliciting membership eventually become common kibology \? chopped liver \? kibo summed saying kibology religion , also candy mint floor wax personally think like spam clear really check alt religion kibology , kibo 's religion slightly older , makes sense slack yes ! send money kibo pay worship \( funny , n't seem paid \) live , heart empire state jim , computer operator rpi , troy , ny , usa understand causes , sympathize motivations , details war self e mail rpi edu mts rpi edu andrew bulhak yoyo cc monash edu au david koresh fried sins monash uni , clayton , victoria , australia
perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) subject israel apartheid state nntp posting host qso colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 194 article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 1993may11 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes far , presented opinions opposed mine would hardly take facts n't agree , hmm \? \? , fact opinion two different things expressing opinions , facts abstract , 're saying true facts happen agree , disagree completely could give hundreds words mother tongue \( spanish \) , use never find dictionary even , could show lot meanings words spanish different dictionary 're talking latter , former 're talking slang latter clearly never case , talking slang talking different uses language different places listen , pinkas i'm going count supposition think opinions something , way , better judgment based 've seen date agreed , n't , dictionaries reference books usage given language , particular meanings words phrases comprise language \? , using meanings completely different , indeed cases different , given dictionary reference book , dictionary contains meanings past \( much \) current use 's also updated often , saying things give different meanings dictionary , using non standard meanings every word , chance taken face value \? none one take way words mean something different 's quite clear response thread getting exactly happening ponder guess n't curious know many people define many different ways term jew , basis movement \? , probably question n't asked \? gee , hate people draw conclusions without information , n't \? hate people cannot read draw conclusion said curious , considering movement ask leading question english idiom , phrase guess way used loaded question , one answer expected also take offense told cannot read someone obviously trouble subject mr pinkas , phd candidate field one get phd candidacy one cannot read law return jewish nationality defined terms religion cultural identity , even 80 defined jews isreal religious time defined terms religion proven , law return defines jew someone jewish mother converted another religion pretty religious definition problem saying support zionism believe among people soviet communist party might even inspired noble ideals change final results happened ussr \? wishing compare ussr israel \? \? israel practice cruelty understand unable make abstractions cannot get idea text take everything literally bad thing know false would able make abstraction bore resemblance facts matter analogy utterly inapplicable would n't field i'm astrophysics could n't make abstractions speculate general grand scheme things also would n't education \( students give rather good reviews 'd add \) could n't draw analogies israel practicing cruelty , ask palestinians israeli prisons , tortured , whose houses blown army vast majority palestinians israeli prisons n't tortured , houses n't blown army fact , 've seen protesting measures net trying intimate agreement \? never said directly indirectly talking individuals defined zionists sure good , honest caring people talking results zionist movement words , taking , ignoring within , disagreement expressed freely , widely based bad read typing random \? know meanings words use expect reader read mind \? read fine thank n't need someone obviously troubles tongue n't native one telling read words native tongue spanish , 'd ask talking movement whose actions resulted law return religious definition jew , country defines nationality based religion 're talking movement exists today , 've trying tell please read arguments 've given ! still say reading need read talking something consider form racism based religious belief , arabs israel cannot serve army becasue born right religion arabs israel serve idf well know serve , true , allowed things israeli citizens happen jews yes , well know ok , fine know 're talking see point words could easily taken differently \? , second person singular , cannot understand text things explicitly said see , lot gall absolutely right lecture native speaker language , well educated , language n't native tongue 're obviously problems , difference citizenship nationality israel \? mean actually , n't \? mean exactly arab jewish citizens israel rights difference , keeping id 's \? better yet , going tell differences social life arabs jews \? social life one thing , legal status another , leading question , follows religious definition cultural one call form racism , jewish religion culture intimately , one judaism , one judaism believe true final question possible jewish muslim \? jewish christian \? response enlightening sad see model decorum tranquillity become like sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee tim rice , chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder
csl uiuc edu \( jon \) subject question bosio 's hitter organization center reliable high performance computing , university illinois urbana champaign lines 16 nntp posting host grinch csl uiuc edu wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) writes n't actually answer one bosio , walking first two batters , retired 27 straight back end perfect game well , 27 outs row hits walks , really , retired 26 batters row first game front end double play still counts back end perfect game book , though congrats chris bosio bad brewers could n't hold jon \( uiuc edu \) university
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject body 4 meg ram leading edge \? \? nntp posting host monica us oracle com reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 18 leading edge 486sx25 4 megs ram forms 4 1 meg simms simm two chips manufactured samsung 80ns salesman told leading edge 2300 motherboard extra parity bit built use mac simms tried using 4 megs pulled mac si \( 8 chip simms \) , got many windows protection faults parity errors guess use simms ones , ca n't find ! ! places called carry 3 8 9 chip simms anybody knows get memory good computer suggestions , please let know help truly appreciated eric ebosco us oracle com
microsoft com \( chris \) subject first bike \? \? organization microsoft corporation lines 39 rec motorcycles james leo belliveau jbc9 andrew cmu edu writes serious motorcycle enthusiast without motorcycle , put bluntly , sucks really would like advice would good starter bike know one thing however , need make first bike good one , buying second time soon question specifically interested racing bikes , \( cbr 600 f2 , gsx r 750 \) know may sound kind crazy considering 've never bike , responsible , fast learner , love responsible love \? believe 's contradiction terms unless 're really brave \( read reckless \) 500cc sport bike go way faster dare least first year riding getting really overkill , 'll never even want use following bikes bought \( repaired ! \) cheaply , easy novice manage , plenty high performance kawasaki ex 500 honda vf 500 interceptor suzuki gs 0 time ex 500 full throttle way sooner 're ready \) something small 250 , 'd probably wishing power pretty quickly \( unless 's rgv \) , i'm saying 're 100 certain kill immediately gsxr 750 plenty people started riding bikes done fine saying 's waste money , waste perfectly good plastic drop thing learning balance stopping 'll never get throttle half open anyway , spend extra 2000 bucks \? chris
bjorn sintef \( bjorn \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore organization sintef lines 38 article 1993apr28 ugle unit eliza \( elisabeth bull \) writes eliza \( elisabeth bull \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore date wed , 28 apr 93 14 17 43 gmt mark woodruff \( cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet \) wrote morning 4 working research paper , reboot hung dos program \( disk \) within windows 3 1 machine finished rebooting , found windows directory two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted \( stuff deleted \) sounds like happened hd month ago hd stacked stacker v 2 0 \( run dos5 \) suddenly everything hung , hd got corrupted \( directories changed unreadable files names \) words probably doubledisk part dos6 troublesome use stacker v 3 0 , far trouble need anything disk compression \? experienced thing couple times , without disk compression stuff installed \( example , guess happened norton crashed ! \) bjorn bjorn bjorn sintef sintef safety reliability n trondheim , norway sintef foundation scientific industrial research norwegian institute technology
kocks chemistry stanford edu \( peter kocks \) subject telnet terminal windows \? \? \? keywords tcp ip telnet ftp organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 10 i'm looking good terminal program connect tcp ip using windows basic ms window connect unix host would great suggestions \? thanks peter kocks kocks chemistry stanford edu
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization lake taylor hospital computer services lines 38 dude pcs com \( michael elbel \) writes 1993may16 wariat org allbery wariat org \( allbery \) writes quoted 1993may13 moepi open de bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) back days x11 1 analyse xterm code cursor implemented drawing rectangle around character n't seem changed 'til sources could add blinking cursor via xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead mildly ridiculous , though \( see also desqview x , dos windows \) really want xterm wake every half second whack server bitblt \? \? i'm running emu 25 mhz 68020 box cannot make difference performance whether cursor set blinking \( think bit , cycle 400 ms hell lot time even slowest pc \) since would course enable blinking text cursor xterm input focus , application active anyway repeat , blinking text cursor costs almost nothing performance , needs thought designing xterm software stuck distributed system feedback loop ! xterminal running xterm net another machine \? load problems occur machine 20 xterminals attached blinking cursors xterm 's , could represent considerable ethernet bandwidth waste i'm picking , people keep forgetting lot life besides distributed workstations ! mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject passive mixer organization university nebraska lincoln lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu shaffer wendy yale edu \( wendy shaffer \) writes i'm trying build mixer friend mine run several things single boom box circuit uses op amp powered either couple 9v batteries using kind power supply catalog looking recently , passive mixer guitar advertised n't appear use power anyone know circuit would , could adapt rca jacks , save friend alot messing batteries plugs thanks well , fastest , mixer \( aside physically connecting inputs together directly \) run signal resistor common output resistors give isolation signal sources n't driving directly taking wild , seat pants guess , 'd say mixing high impedance sources like dynamic mikes , electric guitar pickups , etc , resistors ought maybe 5k 10k mixing line level stuff outputs walkman , , 'd go 1k input 1 output input 2 input 3 paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
ed titipu resun com \( edward reid \) subject tapped , please restrict followups organization accuracy , ltd reply ed titipu resun com \( edward reid \) distribution na x mailer uaccess macintosh release 1 lines 6 however valuable , discussion belong comp org acm comp org ieee please edit followups include appropriate newsgroups edward reid fl ed titipu resun com nosc ! ! ed \( looking programming contracts , especially unisys series \)
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 26 article murdoch acc virginia edu , lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article apr 22 06 39 15 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article 1993apr21 news cs indiana edu kiwi ucs indiana edu \( amy lynn young \) writes someone tell mr cramer spouts homosexuals , addresses homosexual men , never , post 've read , addressed lesbians \? ca n't really speak mr cramer , say homosexual male entirely different animal lesbian virtually nothing analogous related aberrant behaviors practiced two groups deviants nothing morals , would n't anything wack n't tapes lesbians going think getting closer truth , getting mr foard 's sickness may surprise homosexuals , lots people country spend time watching pornography us real lives , instead sexual compulsions n't expect homosexual understand clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) subject holocaust revisited nntp posting host sora icd ab com organization allen bradley company , inc lines 51 dct ac uk \( john bell \) scotland , one england 's last remaining colonies real \? people dumb enough give money possessions guy says 's jesus deserve get people dumb enough believe klinton moderate deserve get 's real laugh hear try justify massacre concerned tax money spent \( wasting money keeping texans alive \? hell let 's spend import aids treat taxpayer expense p \) anyway , killed feds \? feds killed 90 civilians ran patience , use phrase feds n't attacked , 'd home eating dinner families tonight bad , started maybe next time 'll think twice 's worth 4 's goddam hero nobody says victim left wing government , violated pledge protect uphold constitution , run amok n't worry , though , 're gonna take back \( hey , i'm white guy , would ok quoted malcolm x , said means necessary \? nah , never mind legally 's dead an' i'm happy ! ! ! ! ! , 're brainless f cking go beat soccer fans ignorance bliss , stupid smile face people die hope badger \( n't expect care , folks bastards never like idea americans means defend would n't stand governments , sent packing back little island tails legs twice \) remember bad boy , gonna heard jfk shot gonna remember battle waco \? come ken whitehead \( kdw odin icd ab com \)
cbnewsb cb att com \( michael p \) subject looking mac ii batteries organization distribution usa lines 17 hi ! looking source lithium batteries original mac ii number battery er 1 2 aa local electronic shops computer stores freak inquire fastest get battery 2 3 weeks 20 anything faster cheaper welcome ! please respond via e mail summarize net note e mail address differs return address posting thanks advance help ! michael mps att com
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject batf achieved objective wants move organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 31 article cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) writes article convex com , langston convex com \( kevin langston \) writes feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes everyone discussing batf n't missing point batf wanted destroy koresh everything consistent objective done , 've declared victory flying flag ruins regardless started firefight fire , see flag nothing arrogant arrogant , plain bad taste though defeated difficult foe , done honor understand reno batf n't bentsen , texas boy , believe \? bentsen treasury much front reno \? hiding behind strings \? batf got sat pretty early initial shooting , pretty much become fbi 's show \( even batf guy stopped showing next speaker daily press conferences \) david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
bm shadow columbia edu \( blair macintyre \) subject sharp sale reply blair macintyre bm cs columbia edu organization columbia university distribution misc lines 11 'd like sell i'm finished , n't nearly many miss , 'd like put money toward laptop asking 200 bought last christmas 's great shape includes \( added bonus ! \) nice , padded leather carrying case blair macintyre bm cs columbia edu cs department , columbia university drive , kill movie
dragon acadiau ca \( nelson \) subject need info dsp project organization acadia university lines 2 file simtel archives called zip think dsp
punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 37 article menudo uh edu st1ge elroy uh edu writes article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu , punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes heading indicates , impossible fathom barry batting 4th giants behind clark barry awesome consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants 2 simple reasons \( 1 \) batting williams ahead bonds create left \( clark \) , right \( williams \) , left \( bonds \) situation middle batting order makes tougher opposing manager change pitchers \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds reasons good ones joe morgan thinks bonds clark williams 3 4 5 hitters believes clark bonds williams fine , definitely opinion bonds hit ahead williams inclined agree first reason valid bonds hit lefties righties well hits lefties righties better giant williams still getting breaking balls although much last season , bottom line bonds far disciplined productive hitter williams , prefer take chances bonds driving 1 , 2 3 hitters \( expected high \) williams williams would get fastballs bonds first second base open threat bonds stealing
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject clipper corrupt cops \( wh proposal police point view \) nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 8 article 1993apr21 16550 news clarkson edu tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe writes clipper make criminals cops want police forces \? war drugs already turned alot police criminals yet another nail constitution 's coffin smg
rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) subject deir yassin organization university virginia lines 55 hm cs brown edu writes article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes bullshit deir yassin unprovoked attack part jews , massacre defines best opinion village deir yassin pact jews , peace pact , irgun purposely broke agreement order scare palestinians might grant village housed armed arabs doubt nothing archives available literature indicates motivating force amongst irgun deir yassin massacre part strategy intimidate palestinians flee jewish homeland , contrary belief , many civilians killed deir yassin later advertized jews perpetrated useful getting many palestinians leave palestinians rightfully scared , want another deir yassin i'm necessarily condemning israelites atrocities committed part arabs israelophiles careful thinking good guys middle east arab jew suck equally rj3s , say evidence motivated irgun attack dir yassin strategic importance fact , begin , charge irgun , wrote dir yassin attacked military significance dir yassin merely battle war liberation people died thing never intended tragedy war crime irgun harry agree harry , however must also concede arab terrorism also tragedy war remember palestinians effective target civilians order cause irgun attack civilian targets terrorize order might obtain objective , i'm sure would done also n't exclude irgun 's action british soldiers terrorism british showing signs favoring compromise regards palestine , irgun branch groups made point kill young british mothers fathers back britain would get angry continued presence palestine sounds like form terrorism , much removed arab terrorism must also forget irgun , irgun branch groups likely killed many jews zionist , british 'll reiterate sides screwy , 'll favor underdog case think bit screwed
gilley af mil subject looking drawing packages reply gilley af mil \( \) organization robins afb lines 46 nntp posting host decvax robins af mil article greg , greg software mitel com \( gregory lehman \) writes path ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! cs utexas edu ! ! torn ! nott ! ! ! software mitel com ! greg greg software mitel com \( gregory lehman \) newsgroups comp windows x , comp windows x motif subject looking drawing packages message id greg date 27 apr 93 20 08 10 gmt organization mitel \( ontario \) canada lines 24 xref comp windows x comp windows x motif greetings developing application allows user interactively create edit view visual model \( e topology \) network , wondering anyone knew builder tools exist simplify task past used visual edge 's uim x product develop guis , familiar general topology support objects connecting links topology created , want provide user capabilities support grouping , zooming , etc looking form higher abstraction x drawing routines accomplish specifically , zooming grouping aspects may prove difficult , certainly time consuming , roll suggestions \? greg greg software mitel com n't mention platform digital custom widget , , exactly want cost nominal 300 call local office widget supported variety platforms heard porting sun , etc may worth check charlie gilley digital equipment corp
parker cen uiuc edu \( robert parker \) subject tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts \? organization university illinois urbana lines 237 exuptr exu ericsson se \( patrick taylor , sounding board \) writes article news cso uiuc edu parker cen uiuc edu \( robert parker \) writes read whole thing 's pretty hot stuff apparently n't read whole thing continue miss point skinner csrd uiuc edu \( gregg skinner \) writes parker cen uiuc edu \( robert parker \) writes deletions soapbox 's ok pay legal procedures gov't money , let 's get government pay counselling provides abortion alternatives let 's get government pay adoption fees let 's get government pay things make abortion necessary \? certainly legal procedures counselling provides alternatives abortion would biased counselling provides abortion information providing counselling give woman help finding comfortable adoption funding idea may good one idea \? way hell involved going good skiing resort give paying abortions believe wrong , wo n't pay without gripe i'm making unlawful 'd rather spend money saving lives bunch investigations court hearings crap spending time know 's really cleaning abortion stuff \? lawyers say let 's pass laws make adoption cheaper , easier , infinitely supportive birth mother let 's eradicate stigma , reduce cost , pay price life making adoption easier birth mother may help reduce abortion , eliminate need abortion done mother ca n't care child n't feel good giving strangers abortion done mother afford pregnancy soapbox person right anything interfere rights another person cool enough 'll trouble defining terms statement getting people agree example , perceive right participate feel murder n't think government , either hand , since trouble proving murder , right stop someone choose , either legal means harassment course , persuasion allowed , watch line persuasive second part definition person simplistic explanation person member society normal adult human beings good examples people children two years old people well simple way determining conversation actually complicated , desire spend time would take explain read thread bodily autonomy important \? explanation justification definition authoritative enough us \? surely understand definitions equal right consideration \? please justify human automatically makes something valuable includes unborn government refused fun abortions \( due qualms minority population \) would pay far delivery babies whose mothers wanted abortion , could afford one , baby also require care 18 years true needs fixed part problem clinton medical program get underway , let address , cheaper long run save lives later productive members society least , plan works , guaranteed become productive members society even many years future burden someone , society also matter mother forcing carry pregnancy term critical time life could prevent productive member society actually , refering minority objects abortion , object federal funding admit say clearly , apologize refuse fund abortions remove choice women , add additional burden society reason really flawed logic would like saying born disfigured face want cosmetic repair discriminatory cannot make choice , must pay person right make choice imply legally otherwise someone else foot bill sic choice ok , look 's like footing bill maybe take choice maybe take choice b maybe take choice c ca n't afford one take choice 'd pay , say 5 take choice b would cost us 20 take choice c cost us 20 hell lot next 18 years one sounds realistic us willing pay \? people happen like choice people happen like choice c \( paying , \) c around paid years even though means spend lot money , ca n't conscience refuse pay around perfectly legal , n't funded past going funded people object n't like idea tax money going pay choice could refuse fund women ca n't afford choices forced take choice b c , cost us money us n't see reason money spent effect removing personal choice women alternative fund mother chooses also still fund b even c mother chooses however , women certainly choose , save us 15 otherwise would spend taxes raised fund choice object , lowered fund choice legal , despite objections \( actually , taxes really going go , i'm sure would point amount saved area help another like massive debt \) disagree give us reasons given abortion legal right abortion supported majority population justifiable refuse abortions women afford , simply require even greater funds delivery would force upon refuse pay taxes remove choice women object legal medical procedure \? say objection procedure irrelevant uncle bill n't pay breast , , etc abortions \? 's elective surgery ! procedures mention cost money savings procedures would required road without \( fact , could additional costs road \) quite different case abortion argument , young girl kill baby making affordable refusing make alternative affordable , guilty removing choice withholding funds ! think poor girl pregnant abortions federally funded , 's gonna choice plans given kind double talk really makes ill bullshit refusing make alternative affordable refused pay expensive choice birth , statement would make sense case , n't clinton tried block funding pre natal care delivery \( left health care plan \) , would certainly object would also quite surprised pro choice ha ! pro abortion really fits case yes , probably definition , reasons think 're gonna fund one choice , fund , least stupid fuck ! want fund choices one wants fund choices imho fund adoption choice right , \( meaning throwing money cutting costs , esp legal costs \) wo n't need abortion anymore humble opinion still wrong even easy adoption , still fact pregnancy takes several months months young woman could need getting education \( like finishing high school , entering college , finishing college , getting job things much harder take break months things massive impact future productivity \) right life fetus person conversation ah let 's kill mentally well people n't like , since ca n't conversation conversation mentally even though personally may refuse conversation people n't like , still possible others conversation possible anyone conversation fetus biologically independent son age 6 weeks breastfed , would take bottle biologically independent mean \? 'll happy punch definition full loopholes still biologically independent least extent consumed nutrients digested normal manner breathed air fetus hand , gets 's nutrients already digested mother gets oxygen mother well biologically independent awareness questionable aha ! admit questionable yet willing kill , even may aware suggest think viewpoint awareness part makes member society minimal conceivable requirement , yet many people seem think something without awareness could still important enough justify true member society keep asking , still n't seen real justification life non sentient creature worth suffering sentient \( n't read every response threads 've asking , yet , 'll see see one later \) experiences real world make personality also true quite unix programmers anyone program unix lot experiences real world rob
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject depression lines 220 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine md 's newsgroup riding butt pretty good \( maybe cases good reason \) post depression , i'm laying 'll continue post think knowledge could useful read post , know i'm coming post future article netnews upenn edu , mail sas upenn edu \( lida \) writes family member mine suffering severe depression brought well mental break treated success treatments provided psychiatrist satisfactory someone suggested contacting nutritionist discuss alternative treatment since sensitive medication , think good suggestion n't know begin anyone suggest philly area nutritionist , else literature read , 'd appreciate lida , emphasize situation wife suffered bouts depression 's brought breast cancer mine rebound stress reaction modified radical chemotherapy lida , used knowledge nutrition get six months chemotherapy \( approval oncologist \) severe depression set months stopped , tried use supplements bring cured pms using supplements really thought knew enough role diet depression take care depression well n't work put prozac oncologist two winters ago \( three years wife 's breast cancer \) got hit severe depression \( pretty typical one reason many marriages break breast cancer another \) tried take care several months supplementation n't work ended putting prozac going give list several studies done using b6 , niacin , b12 cure depression i'm going would flying blind like lida , believe depression dietary component problem need know exactly problem use approach fix problem chemotherapy , knew exactly drugs going used exactly nutrients would affected thing pms flying blind literature used devise treatment program pretty good depression complicated really need nutritional scan diet analysis analysis bodies nutrient reserves every vitamin mineral \( except vitamin c \) , reserve rda designed give enough nutrient keep reserves full , designed keep emptied would cause clinical pathology stress increase need many vitamins minerals reserves become important lida , without permission , i'm going use post conduit try explain readers group sci med i'm coming taught course human nutrition one osteopathic medical schools ten years 've written textbook none available teach rehash biochemistry preach nutrient reserves \( yes lectures course referred students sermons \) cover carbohydrates proteins proteins ii energy balance evaluation nutritional status , clinical perspective evaluation nutritional status ii , evaluation nutritional biochemical perspective status iii , homework assignment using nutritionist iv diet fitness analysis software program weight control food facts age related change nutrient requirements food additives , cancer drug nutrient interactions mineral water balance sodium , potassium chloride calcium , magnesium phosphorus iron zinc copper trace minerals vitamin vitamin e vitamins k vitamin c niacin acids b12 nutrient factors nutrition nutrition every three years spend entire summer reviewing medical literature find material use nutrition textbook last summer 1991 read everything find sit rewrite lecture bound three separate books 217 , 237 122 pages opposite page written text \( write \) 've pulled figures , tables graphs various copyrighted sources since material used educational purposes , get around copyright laws \( far \) send material newsgroup readers \( 've asked \) process trying get grant setup nutrition assessment lab last peice nutrition puzzle need make education program complete lab let measure nutrient reserve almost vitamins minerals known required humans mayo clinic already uses similiar lab design supplement programs cancer patients cancer treatment centers america , private profit organization hospitals illinois oklahoma \( tulsa \) also operates nutritional assessment clinical lab also believe clinic california similiar lab setup physicians reading post , would suggest get new clinical nutrition textbook published \( feb \) using manual nutritional \( little brown series book \) supplemental text course geared residency training two 's written new clinical nutrition textbook geared towards medical student education good job covering lab tests run assess patient 's nutritional status let quote sentences preface new text called nutrition specialists reality , , happened profess knowledge nutrition related field practice unfortunately , two thirds medical schools united states require formal instruction nutrition times medical practice changed half leading causes death country nutrition related monograph accomplish following two objectives \( 1 \) complement medical training emphasizing relevance nutrition medical practice \( 2 \) awareness nutrition medical speciality important disease prevention treatment diseases essentially every organ system roland l weinsier , md , lida , advise tell family members try find physician understanding role vitamins minerals \( yes even magnesium may play role depression \) play depression could get nutritional profile run often time women suffer depression lot hormonal changes occuring ones occur pms nutritionist may also able help long ago poster mentioned nutritionist diagnosed deficiency based red cell test \( specific test reserve \) clinical labs run test advised try make sure lab test certified also lot hair nail analysis labs setup trace mineral analysis labs regulated checks labs using certified standards , also water lead analysis , showed pretty shoddy testing going anyone else finds someone run speciality nutrition tests , make sure using lab certified \( clinical laboratory improvement act \) diet analysis may helpful since many nutrient reserves shown correlate fairly well dietary intake monitored food logging software analysis \( nutritionist iv software programs \) still half nutrients required humans show good correlation apparent dietary intake reserve status nutritional assessment clinical labs operation u physicians trained use nutritional profile labs provide devise treatment approach uses diet changes supplementation , anti depressants probably continue best approach depression martin banschbach , ph professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology osu college osteopathic medicine without discourse , remembering , without remembering , learning , without learning , ignorance
messi uku fi \( jarkko \) subject question goalie 's equipment organization university kuopio , finland lines 8 rules equipment changed \? seems e g glove become bigger bigger time \( pads \) , goalies wearing size jerseys dreaming \? watch old photos films let say ten years back , think difference quite obvious expert , please let know \( goalies become bigger \? \) jarkko 14 \( trouble scoring \? \)
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject jack morris organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 20 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes \( btw , definitions , best player one things help team win allow could vary depending else team , one team needs others \) well given definition best conceivable alfredo griffin could bring something team team needs win larkin might something team needs \? find conceivable also cannot conceive possibility hypothetical team morris would help clemens would griffin better larkin \? given premise , yes alone ability conceive premise valentine
news news claremont edu \( news system \) subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) organization harvey mudd college , claremont ca 91711 lines 1
ad cat de \( axel dunkel \) subject summary sensible des towards bit errors \? organization c system lines 150 hi , 'd like thank fast responses special thanks go replied \( lexical order \) marcus j ranum mjr tis com paul crowley pdc dcs ed ac uk saaf se \( paul \) tarnold vnet ibm com \( todd w arnold \) wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart \) question sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? much des encrypted data affected depends used encryption mode according marcus j ranum \( mjr tis com \) cfb cipher feedback mode ecb electronic code book mode cbc cipher block chaining mode ofb output feedback mode mode stuff better others ofb cfb designed communications streams files , people strongly disagree mode lead destruction following data sure seems modes quite fast , others never , others even effect block summarized , people said concerning matter cbc mode , current block affected \( tarnold vnet ibm com todd w arnold \) use cbc \( block chaining \) , remainder data destroyed well \( saaf se paul \) cfb mode , des quite fast \( probably within 1 block according j ranum mjr tis com \) maybe someone definitely knows happens mode \? nevertheless , thank much axel dunkel include responses got tarnold vnet ibm com \( todd w arnold \) ad cat axel dunkel writes sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? depends mode 're using single 64 bit input block , one bit error 50 percent chance corrupting 64 output bits words , essentially turns output block random number 're encrypting data cbc mode , however , one 64 bit block affected next block , follow decrypted properly 's good idea kind error correction system corrupted bits likely todd saaf se \( paul \) article ad cat write hello , sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? least 8 bytes data destroyed one bit encrypted data error use cbc \( block chaining \) , remainder data destroyed well des single bit errors paul , swedish amateur astronomer 's society \( saaf \) 75 , 6 tr , 114 40 stockholm , sweden internet saaf se paul crowley pdc dcs ed ac uk sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? probably bad might lose rest data stream want safety dropped bits use error correcting coder like freeware gnu ecc paul crowley pdc dcs ed ac uk trust know i'm x fold fish jesus ! wcs anchor ho att com sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? depends mode 're using des electronic code book \( ecb \) takes block 64 input bits produces 64 output bits , bits changed , entire block 64 bits becomes bad forget feedback mode , results encrypting one block affect later blocks modes , system self , errors repaired blocks modes , one block bad , later blocks bad 's also framing problem bit change , block 's changes , maybe later blocks also change bits lost bits added \( 64 bits , 63 65 bits \) , everything confused marcus j ranum mjr tis com depends mode 're using cfb , example , pretty fast figure bit error destroy current block next one mjr experience get n't get want axel dunkel , strasse 41 , , germany e mail ad cat de , voice 49 6192 , fax 49 6192
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject serbian genocide work god \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 114 article may 10 05 08 05 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes believe predestination course believe predestination 's biblical doctrine romans 8 28 30 shows \( among passages \) furthermore , church always taught predestination , beginning really \? may right , 'd like proof far know \( div school student ! \) catholic church seem accept predestination told beware greeks bearing gifts reference doctrine seems curious result human beings held responsible actions ! 'll answer deal minute say believe predestination mean believe free men freely choose course life , also affected grace god however , unlike , hold grace , otherwise end idiocy denying universal saving god \( 1 timothy 2 4 \) right n't really seem like predestination , 'll continue 're saying god must give enough grace saved elect , , predestined receive grace final , guarantees heaven mean without grace ca n't saved , means god obstinacy chose give , knowing would need , freely chosen hell really confusing , especially since still believe christ jesus died us obstinacy seems like awfully convoluted way account couple verses , really biblically supported opinion \? others \? people saved saved grace god , effort , god disposed , predestined become saints perish everlasting fire perish hardened heart chose perish thus , deserving god punishment , rejected creator , sinned working holy spirit god uses grace like spreads 's needed n't \? saved saved , nothing hmmmm yes , god judge mete punishment last judgement well , would hold god certainly gives everybody blessing good done \( even little \) , ca n't bless next life , blesses one although realize doctrine originally intended cause social problems , ends supposed sort sign someone elect , like lots children success work , good life earth go around thinking n't doomed hell way , though , sounds like opposite idea doomed hell great life earth 's almost like converse believe responsibility punished die 're saying get die direct bearing live \? strange punish next life , chastised one purgatory sins every sin temporal punishment , thus , god punish unless satisfaction made \( cf 2 samuel 12 13 14 , david 's sin adultery murder forgiven , still punished death child \) need point idea punishment god 's judgement quite bible sodom , moses barred holy land , slaughter cannanites , , jerusalem 70 ad , etc sin either punished later \? 's sort half punished \? grey areas doctrine \? stuff deleted stop slaughter innocent \( cf proverbs 24 11 12 \) , mean christians support war bosnia u even u n involved \? think , , disagree foreign adventures general case bosnia , frankly see excuse us getting militarily involved , would war blessed , peacemakers lord said , actions bosnia must peace , war unrelated anything justify us idea \( well , idea \) would would intervene establish peace stop atrocities i'm suggesting n't really understand mean war course , although see merit jumping first opportunity \( say kuwait \? \) happen big country lot resources \( well lot debt \) , gives us responsibility world , whether like wwii , well vietnam , us yet another difference opinion andy byler thank answering hope n't take comments flames , instead expressions interest vera clock ! bind unto today vera noyes religion ! strong name noye midway uchicago edu ! trinity disclaimer lard st patrick 's breastplate disclaim \?
athena mit edu \( glenn \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help organization massachusetts institute technology lines 10 distribution usa nntp posting host w20 575 74 mit edu believe monitor problem system micron computers 15 mag 1564 \( monitor gateway \) symptoms 's removing monitor extension cable \? thanks info
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject ntsc data rgb \? video capture reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 25 nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de usually , apply r 1 0 1 402 g 1 0 0 u b 1 1 772 0 v u v \( 128 \) matrix multiplication may give results rgb space , clamp resulting bytes 0 255 conversion done arbitrary big integers , \) applies yuv data whereas ntsc may 33 degree rotation u v brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
subject hiragana katakana tt fonts cs aukuni ac nz \( keith stuart \) organization computer science dept university auckland keywords hiragana , katakana , truetype , japanese lines 12 newsgroups comp os ms windows misc subject hiragana katakana tt fonts keywords hiragana , katakana , truetype , japanese obtain truetype hiragana katakana \( japanese phonetic character \) fonts \? \( note receive mail address header , cannot send \) kw 8 \)
well sf ca us \( hudson h \) subject change name \? \? nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link lines 4 suggest another name change thomas parsli vidkun quisling
ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) subject changing windows fonts \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 36 reply ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , husc8 harvard edu \( daniel \) says friend mine uses windows 3 1 work unfortunately , bad , n't able figure change default font used system application menus , font used help program \( use hypertext ca n't read \? \) make anyone knows increase size fonts , software package makes windows accessible visually handicapped people , please let know thanks , dan may issue pc computing page 246 windows hint tips thing edit win ini file add couple lines tried works actually made title bar iconized text , icon text smaller monitor works well select larger font also edit win ini file font name system directory read article would want case type caused system problems c ya artin communication sent artin university arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death dead 2 , 000 years follow king kings
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eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 9 creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) writes anyway , argument seems saying , god , certainly would n't things way therefore , god n't things way would never say thing argument says understand
witr rwwa com \( robert withrow \) subject cable tvi interference nntp posting host reply witr rwwa com organization r w withrow associates lines 12 article rave larc nasa gov , watson nimbus larc nasa gov \( catherine watson \) writes gave year letters phone calls got impression fcc powerless cable company correct situation n't formal action citizen take requires fcc , least , generate paperwork \? robert withrow , tel 1 617 598 , fax 1 617 598 , net witr rwwa com r w withrow associates , 21 railroad ave , 1821 usa
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject clipper conference calls organization bell laboratories lines 6 article netnews upenn edu , feeley cattell psych upenn edu \( wm michael feeley \) writes curious , would clipper chip system handle conference calls \? 's clipper , 's encryption system 've seen number designs generally involve multi line cleartext bridge
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject opinion means organization duke university durham , n c lines 27 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu article berkeley ca us berkeley ca us \( andrew scott \) writes infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes since occurance , 've paid many dollars renumerance , taken drunk class , , yes , listened self righteous assholes like think rest world 've never little dd suaree devil made ! yeah ! found inside worm yeah , 's ! \( actually vodka gordon 's remember correctly n't even buy \( course , 's probably reason drank much night never \) andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
euamol eua ericsson se \( mats larsson \) subject summary virtual mouse ol v wm reply euamol eua ericsson se organization ellemtel telecom systems labs , stockholm , sweden lines 27 nntp posting host eua ericsson se nntp posting user euamol article cas org , cas org \( larry w virden \) writes article andrew cmu edu derrick j brashear db74 andrew cmu edu writes got following today gary risebrough worked fine excerpts mail 29 apr 93 ol v wm 3 virtual gov au \( 554 \) openwindows keyboardcommands full openwindows virtualgrabkeys false seems work find man pages virtualgrabkeys resource n't show openwindows 3 0 man pages virtualgrabkeys ow resource belongs olvwm \( 1 \) mats larsson email mats larsson eua ericsson se ellemtel telecom systems labs phone 46 8 727 125 25 , sweden fax 46 8 727 4168
robinson sml cs psu edu \( andrew robinson \) subject put hd xt \? reply ultb isc rit edu 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 01 16 15 gmt nntp posting host sml cs psu edu lines 6 many \( \? \) xt drive controllers bios board handle low level formatting bios also allows set drive properly \( cylinders heads etc \) andy robinson cs psu edu
forgach noao edu \( suzanne forgach \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality originator forgach gemini noao edu nntp posting host gemini noao edu organization national optical astronomy observatories , tucson , az , usa lines 5 article kmr4 po cwru edu kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes sun starts orbit earth accept bible forget two spinning skaters orbit around \?
kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? originator kelleyb kelleyb austin ibm com reply kelleyb austin ibm com organization ibm austin , powerpc lines 21 consumption go turn overnight , along heat wonder hard would \( e would add cost \) design desktop machines power saver feature built would reduce power consumption automatically machine idle amount time apple several manufacturers already committed monitor design announced along new administration 's efforts cut waste fuel consumption know buildings work , wasted unused , always machines monitors kelley thomas kelley boylan , powerpc , ibm austin , kelleyb austin ibm com buy pay opinions
mizzou1 missouri edu \( eaton \) subject \( q \) way connect pb 145 , iisi , p lw ls \? nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 7 way connect powerbook 145 , mac iisi , personal laserwriter ls \( necessarily \) print either iisi , pb , file share iisi pb \? know get \( expensive \) lw nt upgrade ls , ca n't afford thanks , mark
idt unit \( h bj \) subject help ! sucks ! \? ! \? ! \? ! \( ! \) reply idt unit \( h bj \) organization norwegian technology lines 26 getting desperate report must finished midnight , w4w n't seem appears must ! use field numbering chapters , document distributed amongst several files ca n't find way make word start numbering something else 0 1 course , everything fine first file , 's pretty stupid chapters numbered 1 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! please , solution \( except putting one 10m document \) e mail immediately ! working th report hardly time read news , please e mail answers welcome advance , thanx lot ! ! ! ! ! ! frode v 9 , trondheim idt unit \( \( 8th day , , , god created rock roll
diane n109 z1 com \( diane \) subject fever lines 5 cause cures fever respectfully requested thanks ! origin another kit \( 1 109 232 \)
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject ca n't ways news enemy , news supporter organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 24 article darkstar ucsc edu , stephen orchid ucsc edu writes mr cramer one hand condemning news media role national news media inflaming passions message subject believe turn around actually take santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low title even use title san jose mercury news murky news \? going national media , turn around use support position present \? seems somewhat contradictory n't show press democrat misrepresented guttmacher institute 's study , clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject history texts \( ancient references christianity \) organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 78 nntp posting host saltillo cs utexas edu summary response mike cobb article c5ztju fkx news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes nt tossed info jesus realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? far tossed , gospels taken , almost universally , primary source information jesus curious mike cobb referring new testament \? undoubtedly naive atheists , phrasing question seems suggest cobb broadly perhaps question gets heart matter , except naive believers \( , unfortunately , far , naive critical \) , gospels taken gospel truth faithfully records happened two thousand years ago \? easy answer , answer nothing miracles text taken way critical reader myth among naive believers one takes text , measures set criteria , either confirms text historically valid text suspect myth comes way history presented primary secondary school , certain texts vested authority , writers josh mcdowell pretend present historical arguments along lines religious program fact , texts used primary secondary school history classes ought tossed , even better texts treated authoritatively , josh mcdowell would know historical argument bit twice let present outlines different view texts use studying history first , texts historically valid texts put another way , never seen notion historical validity makes sense applied text second , text read telling gospel truth historical events , way many students wont read history texts primary secondary school text \( includes favorite author 's history whatever \) every text historical fact every text written person \( group people \) purpose hence , every text serve historical evidence question learn text \? interesting things \( \) text provide evidence \? diaries followers maharishi , formerly oregon , historical evidence gospels historical evidence letters officers participated vampire eastern europe historical evidence modern american history textbooks whitewash great american figures historical evidence historical evidence various things much evidence maharishi , formerly oregon , could jesus resurrected exist great american figures squeaky clean learned school better evidence people saw maharishi , late oregon , early christians thought jesus resurrected many people eastern europe saw return grave still educational system largely prefers spread myth rather teach history one draw causal connections infer piece historical evidence text otherwise \? complex question easily summarized answer many books subject various parts subject enjoy david hackett fischer 's historian 's fallacies good uncritical way easy read texts present history 's relatively cheap 's easy read give try russell
maa plato ds boeing com \( mark \) subject clipper chip reverse engineering organization boeing defense space group lines 26 looking postings clipper chip noticed interesting omission discussion mention algorithm classified expressed concerns ideas figure algorithm using software question cant someone take one chips reverse engineer \? mean , take thing chip testing analysis facility , one decent electron microscope pry top chip start scanning electron figure circuitry remembered place use work one facilities used analyze chips accidently blew running tests could actually find area fried show us circuit sure many companies universities must facilities potential , especially university security facility looser , someone take clipper apart analyze \? government prevent \? start taking away analysis facilities electron microscopes \? \? mark
quilty twain ucs umass edu \( lulu lotus \) subject information mathematics cryptography \( followup \) organization university massachusetts , amherst lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host twain ucs umass edu posted informational request electronically available articles cryptographic algorithms couple days ago mentioned , interested , particular , des public key also would n't mind learning others said , read intro graduate level text book , mathematics , though much number theory per se 'd like see technical details mathematics cryptography , things like scientific say , find really big prime number following request , several people kind suggest reading lists , hope get around two people kind send large documents , presume actual articles \( 1000 lines \) 've stupidly deleted accidentally chance even skim forgive careless use file commands , would original senders kind resend \? anyone else good crypto articles fairly technical mathematical level \? also , ftp able gopher able docs would nice know , lulu message brought enterprises quilty umass edu opinions expressed must employer surely n't think believe !
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject israel apartheid state \? quite distribution world organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 182 article early bird think com shaig think com \( shai guday \) writes article 2703 spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes please cite specific examples arab party member rejected jewish party member accepted look bottom article see kindly dug one yigal arens previous postings \( entirely without permission , hope n't mind \) containing translations detailing case perhaps think lies \? would like provide assurance practise never occurs \? examine sure discover arab party member power base jewish counterpart right , arabs voting israel long \? time one arab ever gained enough personal following get fellow party members put ministry \? likely wings flying rio basis explaining odd failure \? seem confident right , exactly know , sure \? , arguments sake , arab israelis vote labor next election , rest assured number arab mks cabinet members would increase proportionately power shift exactly basis saying labour party never put arab cabinet post insists coalition members \? basis reassuring face 50 years discriminatory practise \? overlooking fact wield political power individuals based upon wider collective power base hey \? \? said even party puts get knocked back surely could n't arabs \? reasoning see work purely political far security goes think serious made right wing jews well e g sharon well yes , security reason often given people want make excuses merely thought would crop pre empted start article \( mine dr arens \) comments square brackets mine yigal front , july 29 , 1992 translation ha'aretz article racism knesset coalition requirements one hand , presence progressive mks coalition , compelled rabin friends change , extent , attitude towards arab public representatives knesset although refuse view partners , taking part coalition joining government , agree meet give document intentions included commitment work towards decrease discrimination jewish arab citizens decrease \? ! \? ! posters told us time discrimination exist ! rabin , , closet self hater \? \? \? yigal however , racism disappeared knesset sat consider would staff various committees , request made put mk communist party , one arab parties yigal state 's committee oh , ever stir storm including ranks labor since many knesset members find unthinkable arab mk sit one important house committees security secrets liable fall hands attitude recently even criticism , natural deeply upon people 's hearts holds knesset members , despite elected tens thousands votes , entitled full partners body represents people israel speaking political discrimination would bad enough racial discrimination proof one compromises proposed mk mahamid arab yigal replaced jew yigal party member 's party considered unfit , race documented case respected israeli newspaper worth noting first time since state 's founding , public debate arisen subject , witness following article test self confidence levi , ha'aretz , july 26 , 1992 revelations discrimination arabs become integral part daily routine much effort made deal hear , \? please contact levi fellow explain little knows israel please ! yigal except sometimes demon bursts behind government 's window dressing , phenomenon seven times serious last week provided two examples israeli knesset finding difficult allow arab representation important committees israel television finding less difficult give platform arabs territories seemingly two entirely different matters , fact one 13th knesset proved last week , even though one third members new faces , renewed face , least one issue parliamentary traditions may parliamentary traditions may become obsolete , one tradition forever arab shall set foot important committees house never never arab mk external affairs defense committee finance committee worlds overturned question whether give arabs , first time , place state 's committee arguments old well known three committees secrets revealed woe unto us arab hear one must make light arguments , significance also exaggerated every arab mk spending time waiting moment hand information knesset committee room black panther headquarters aforementioned committees continually occupied discussion top secret matters , could safely revealed , example , mks supportive jewish underground , arab mk likud , labor , even arabs would probably membership subcommittee secret service matters , would happen , one may ask , mk hear , god forbid , review foreign minister open meeting foreign affairs defense committee , even review army chief staff , case , regularly leaked next edition news would happen mk mahamid report seen eyes al \? non participation important committees colleagues , creates intolerable situation , arab members elected house semi positions good enough addressing sessions , voting government participating deliberations immigration absorption committee must , example , participate process formulating state budget finance committee allocation resources local authorities case , little part labor 's dependence support arab parties brought improvement mk mahamid , , seems , participate state 's committee earlier , ridiculous attempt made dictate representative , thus prevent arab entering dubious holy , soon became clear legal constitutional backing step worry even jewish mind devices new committee chair , milo , already announced set aplenty committee thus decide permissible mahamid participate solution could , way , also adopted rest committees , thereby completely eliminating fear state secrets leaked enemy removing stain discrimination knesset end article accept documentation \? joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
csugrad cs vt edu \( charles atwood \) subject espn bashing ! organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 10 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 agree ! ! screw damn contractual agreements ! show exciting hockey game lose fans espn \( one quite \) quickly decisions like 02 chuck espn f ed time atwood csugrad cs vt edu virginia tech computer science department
\( \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 21 article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote seem make two points one ultimately federal agencies mention , since koresh apparently different view point baptist upbringing , worthy protection religious persecution messiah , christ within us \? must comforting belong government approved religion baptists cult , two , btw , definitions dictionary cult 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
kenton shaver andrew cmu edu subject challenge microsoft supporters organization sponsored account , systems group 82 , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu \( larry ludes ludwig \) writes stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes think windows useable , must use much windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir \( air \) bag expensive add brett must read many os 2 advertisements crash protection marketing gimick , n't funny 4 months using windows new machine 've crash , n't run mill configuration wow , use \? single word processing \? 8 files loaded right 29 mb virtual machine \( 12mb ram \) friend street gripes ca n't even format floppy background many unix people love os 2 used multi tasking systems microsoft leader innovation , certainly know build better , 's wrong \? \? bad hold gun mouse piper throw mice new trap , trying get work \) kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows
vax2 concordia ca \( , guo \) subject change font size system \? news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host vax2 concordia ca organization concordia university lines 10 hi 1024x768x256 mode , font sizes window menu , help window small change font font size windows \? computer 80486 dx 33 , video card ati could experts please email answer vax2 ca thanks advance guo concordia univ montreal , canada
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject news missed organization department redundancy department lines 44 article 1993may7 175730 12246 ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes article optima cs arizona edu , bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) writes article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes ny times , sunday , may 2 , article somalia , reporter writes last year , iran quietly took four islands belonging united arab emirates deported people , hardly protest united states anyone know referring \? seem missed \( spiked , doubt \) something nyt sources days ongoing border , iranians kicked uae people briefly reported \( many moons ago \) n't recall reading public us comment strong protest probably would seen islands would abu musa , greater lesser , presume n't know fourth latter two islands belong iran according ny times , 4 islands belong united arab emirates could taken major row abu musa jointly administered iran uae dispute goes back early 1970 's britain evacuated island iran shah island historical ties iran british objection raised time understanding uae residents abu musa currently free travel island iran desiring diplomatic resolution dispute , , british , iranians uae refer occupied territory , mean territory dispute israel affairs \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization monash university , melb , australia lines 11 received new information regarding issue bcci whether islamic bank etc post heading bcci look ! fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
csi com \( \) subject x screen saver organization systems inc lines 15 hi ! question directly related x screen saver x screen saver blank screen idle time n't want screen go blank get locked call xlock program parallel call \( \) locks screen call lock program certain amount idle time \? way find long server idle \? thanks \( csi com \)
mark com \( mark \) subject minnesota shame \? lines 30 sh i'm hockey fan way back , maintain interest best hockey hinterlands \( oklahoma \) i'm hoping get reading move north stars dallas sh 've impression minnesota one , possibly , hockey state u team moving city texas \? owner greedy , self serving , stars really making profit \? city whoever owned arena price \? sh much 'd like see nhl 3 hour drive , ca n't help feel people minnesota , unless truly n't support team sh opinions , please used work stars minnesota supported team extent , quite sellouts \( season cup run finals \) norm 's main bitch n't enough luxury , ones always full wanted boxes wanted full asking much people could go see hockey games high schools 5 college 10 would probably better mark 1 01 41 radioactive cats , hot ! origin origin line defined \( 1 282 \)
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject isa bus scsi ide \? \? ! ! originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 29 article 1993apr19 msc cornell edu , randy msc cornell edu \( randy ellingson \) writes questions deleted actually pas 16 , could \( waste guess would \) hook scsi hd 's scsi port yields optimum sec actually , borrowed 12ms fujitsu hd hooked \( trantor hd drivers pas 16 scsi port \) scsi port scsi 2 port \? could tell \? fujitsu 2623a scsi 2 \? scsi hd 's scsi 2 \? one know pas16 scsi port \? counted pins board displayed ad got 40 ! happened 50 \? junk whole bunch grounds \? thanks comments randy guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject doctrine original sin organization georgia institute technology lines 20 article may 12 04 29 14 1993 athos rutgers edu mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) writes feeling baptism parents baptize baby baby sanctifying grace baptism \( thus removal original sin \) soul event unexpected death right , michael john 3 5 , jesus says , amen , amen , say , one enter kingdom god without born water spirit 's really said , meant verse definition baptism n't law book front , canon law urges parents baptize children within one week birth reason state randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton remarks president waco w q 4 20 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 379 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 remarks president question answer session press rose garden 1 36 p edt president february 28th , four federal agents killed line duty trying enforce law branch davidian compound , illegally stockpiled weaponry ammunition , placed innocent children risk batf operation failed meet objective , 51 day standoff ensued federal bureau investigation made every reasonable effort bring perilous situation end without bloodshed loss life bureau 's efforts ultimately individual dealing , david koresh , dangerous , irrational , probably insane engaged numerous activities violated federal law common standards decency , moreover , responsible deaths injuries occurred action compound february given inclination towards violence effort protect young hostages , provocative actions taken seven weeks federal agents compound weekend briefed attorney general reno operation prepared fbi , designed increase pressure koresh persuade compound surrender peacefully plan included decision withhold use ammunition , even face fire , instead use tear gas would cause permanent harm health , would , hoped , force people compound come outside surrender informed plan end siege discussed attorney general reno asked questions thought appropriate ask told thought right , take full responsibility implementation decision yesterday 's action ended horrible human tragedy mr koresh 's response demands surrender federal agents destroy murder children captives , well people survive killed controlled , bears ultimate responsibility carnage ensued must review past eye towards future directed united stated departments justice treasury undertake vigorous thorough investigation uncover happened , whether anything could done differently told departments involve independent professional law enforcement officials investigation expect receive analysis answers whatever time required complete review finally , directed departments cooperate fully congressional inquiries continue fully accountable american people want express appreciation attorney general , justice department , federal agents front lines best job could deeply difficult circumstances , want say yesterday , sorry loss life occurred beginning end tragedy waco hope much others tempted join cults become involved people like david koresh deterred horrible scenes seen last seven weeks hope much difficult situations federal agents confronted doubtless required confront contexts future somewhat better handled better understood learned q mr president , , first , tell us , 51 days , decided q mr president , describe us janet reno outlined 15 minute phone conversation president ca n't hear one go first q sorry describe janet reno q mr president president 'll answer questions , ca n't q describe told sunday nature operation much detail knew \? president yes told attorney general fbi strongly felt time come take another step trying people compound described generally operation would wanted go use tear gas tested cause permanent damage adults children , would make difficult people stay inside building hoped tear gas would permit come outside told circumstances would people fire shots even fired upon going shoot tear gas armored vehicles would protect would exchange fire fact , know , awful lot shots fired cult members federal officials shots coming back government side asked number questions first question asked , \? waited seven weeks \? reasons given following number one , limit long federal authorities could maintain limited resources quality intensity coverage experts might needed parts country number two , people reviewed never seen case quite like one , convinced progress made recently progress going made normal means getting koresh cult members come number three , danger something others likely increase , decrease , passage time number four , reason believe children still inside compound abused significantly , well forced live unsafe conditions reasons , wanted move time second question asked attorney general whether given consideration things could go wrong evaluated might happen good said fbi personnel scene working convinced chances bad things happening would increase passage time third question asked , military consulted \? soon initial tragedy came light waco , 's first thing asked done , obvious typical law enforcement situation military people brought , helped analyze situation problems presented asked military consulted attorney general said , basic agreement one minor tactical difference opinion fbi military something sides thought overwhelming significance asked questions gotten answers , said thought right thing , proceed would support stand today q mr president president wait go ahead q address widespread perception reported widely , television , radio newspapers trying somehow distance disaster \? president , i'm bewildered reason made public statement yesterday let say reason made public statement yesterday nothing add said literally know rather late day whether anybody still alive actually seen taken hospital taken custody purely simply question waiting events ca n't account people speculated one way , talked attorney general day action took place talked yesterday called late last night appeared larry king show , talked morning president possible president distance things happen federal government control say , however , frankly , surprised would mild word , say anyone would suggest attorney general resign religious fanatics murdered \( applause \) regret happened , possible life control behavior others every circumstance people killed four federal officials line duty heavily armed fired federal officials yesterday repeatedly , never fired back everything could avoid loss life made decision regret terribly , feel awful children end , last comment janet reno , talked sunday said , , want tell believe believe believe move rather wait said , 's children evidence children still abused 're increasingly unsafe conditions , n't think get easier time passage time take word think things stand q assume n't think mishandled view outcome , n't run patience \? , would really decide way \? president well , think assume exactly announced today fbi done lot things right country long period time fbi found people bombed world trade center split , record time want inquiry analyze steps along way something else known \? question asked \? question asked \? say sure one could done nothing else make outcome come different \? n't know 's want inquiry 's would like make sure independent law enforcement people , political people , totally non political , outside experts bring bear best evidence , unfortunately , rise sort fanaticism across world may confront want know whether anything , particularly children involved think important recognize wrong case people killed others killed q mr president , options presented resolving situation point february 28th yesterday \? president well , yes , got regular reports along way lots options pursued go back covered well fbi good job mean , fbi authorities pursued number options along way , lot early seemed working children got , people left one point , seemed lines communication opening koresh authorities would say things things began spin downward whether terms happened yesterday , conversation attorney general involve options except whether take time present strategy pursuing said wanted , thought best way get people compound quickly could kill 's thought q government know children gas masks \? q congressional hearings situation agreement \? president 's congress whatever want think 's important treasury justice departments launch investigation bring outside experts said statement , congressional committees want look , fully cooperate nothing hide probably well covered operation kind history country go ahead , sarah q two questions want ask first , think knew well children gas masks adults , children chance gas said lethal , dangerous children could survived without gas masks february 28th let 's go back n't people right practice religion \? president practicing religion , treasury department believed violated federal laws , number q federal laws president let go back answer ca n't answer question gas masks , except tell whole purpose using tear gas tested convinced would n't kill either child adult would force anybody breathed run outside one things 've heard n't want get details n't know one things speculating today wind blowing fast windows might opened gas might escaped may n't desired effect also knew , sarah , underground compound bus buried underground children could sent think hoping much children released immediately outside humane thing would done children would sent someplace could protected terms gas masks , learned yesterday ask fact question gas supposed stay active compound longer gas masks work thought even gas masks , eventually gas would force , circumstance ms myers last question q mr president , still saying q could tell us whether ever asked janet reno possibility mass suicide \? learned actual fire explosion went mind horrendous moments \? president asked janet reno considered worse things could happen said , course , whole issue suicide raised public debated anyway said people knowledgeable kinds issues concluded greater risk would tomorrow next day day anytime future judgment made whether right wrong , course , never know happened saw fire , saw building burning \? sick felt terrible immediate concern whether children gotten whether escaping whether inside , trying burn 's first thing wanted know thank q mr president , still saying janet reno decision \? n't , end , decision \? president well , i'm saying n't four five hour , detailed briefing fbi n't go every strategic part decision take responsibility i'm president united states signed general decision giving authority make last call talked sunday , time elapsed might made decision change mind said , decide go forward tomorrow , support support ultimately responsible american people think conducted duties appropriate fashion dealt situation think well could thank \( applause \) 55 p edt
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject quack quack \( candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction \) organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 23 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article gap caltech edu ken isis cns caltech edu \( ken miller \) writes , evidence hypothesis example , controlled double blind studies showing anti fungals n't better sugar water let 's hear n't , anecdotal uncontrolled evidence one side , abject disbelief n't evidence water lourdes curing ms i'm sure anecdotal evidence really think absence double blind study indifferent hypothesis water lourdes cures ms \? 's worth , know one double blind study nystatin candida hypersensitivity syndrome published new england journal \( think 1990 \) showed benefit systemic symptoms \( though think reduced vaginal yeast infections , surprisingly \) recall , yeast crowd major objections study , though n't remember david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
mitre org \( paul fine \) subject tiff 6 0 nntp posting host paul fine mitre org organization mitre corporation lines 5 recently read book tiff version 6 0 specification due released spring 1992 interested finding new features tiff spec \( \) specifically , need know tiff 6 0 supports vq decompression image tiling
balsamo stargl enet dec com \( antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \) subject hate sin reply balsamo stargl enet dec com \( antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \) organization digital equipment corporation lines 84 scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) subject hate sin date 12 may 93 08 27 08 gmt hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , question whether statement consistent christianity would think hate begets hate , never love questioning whether hating sin consistent christianity ask consider following scripture romans 12 9 let love without hypocrisy hate evil , cling good paul , inspiration holy spirit calling us hate \? would god call us something would eventually lead hating fellow man especially commands us opposite , love fellow man \? consider sin lets apply hate sin philosophy see happens truly hate sin , see , stronger hatred become eventually hate becomes strong become disgusted sinner eventually come hate sinner experience 've found hating anybody result hating sin may life sinner , find compassion person jesus , since bible teaches tempted every way , able compassion us tempted fall jesus example hate sin love sinner account woman caught adultery \( john 8 \) , jesus compassion woman also called leave life sin means love sinners hate sin means loving unconditionally , time calling leave sin addition , hatred sin often causes us say things taken personally sinner \( often even believe sin \) blame always laid feet christian seen guilty taking offense someone merely pointing sin calling repent christian call sin fact , believe loving thing person could done loved enough want spare consequence remaining sin enough , sinner begins hate us \( certainly n't love us constant criticism behavior \) hate builds drives people away god certainly cannot good way build love , n't think lay blame feet christian loved jesus loved sinners \( john 8 \) sinner hates us , done best extended perfect expression love rejected hate sin forget love sinner , indeed , , , sin summary law , christ commands us love god love neighbors n't say anything hate would like encourage word study hate new testament really think surprised fact , anything , commands us save criticisms criticism different calling sinner repent hope helps , christ , tony balsamo name antonio l balsamo company digital equipment corp shrewsbury , mass work \( 508 \) 841 2039 e mail balsamo stargl enet dec com
eric cronin n2240 z1 fidonet org \( eric cronin \) subject phonenet questions organization fidonet node 1 2240 174 association mac bbs , grand blanc mi lines 21 school g new network macs apple ii 's i'm used ethernet , n't know mu ch localtalk two things first , , network connectors , caption leads bel plug phone lines building work true \? 've seen done running sep phone cords , never real lines second , work , could use modem hooked line network active \? help would greatly appriciated btw running seperate phone line question , network wil verry spread bringing kind word helpful spirit wherever , association multi line macintosh bbs grand blanc , michigan ! echoes fido , internet , , , k 12 plus 2gb files 313 695 hst v 32bis testify 2 0 eric cronin internet eric cronin n2240 z1 fidonet org
jbrown batman bmd trw com subject gulf war peace niks distribution world lines 44 article fido asd sgi com , livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr20 882 batman bmd trw com , jbrown batman bmd trw com writes article 1993apr20 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes wait minute , doug know better informed us never invaded nicaragua \( far know \) us invaded nicaragua several times century , including october 1912 , february 1927 haiti occupied 1915 thanks jon forgotten 1912 1927 invasions \( ever learned mean really forgot ! \) read context recent , expecting imminent invasion u never happened stand corrected thanks panama invaded , true \( twice century \) us created panama first place civil war republic colombia us troops landed colombia , help uprising , colombia duly replaced two countries , order us could build panama canal new republic panama remembered one one bush 's invasion two mentioned good ol' teddy r knew get things done ! jon regards , jim b
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject israel 's expansion ii nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 40 article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes never seen immaturity among andi beyer character shows signs anti semitism ok , 've already disqualified \( ever \) objective insult race ! assuming also semitic jews people common cultural heritage , religion , history race comment concerning israeli terrorism 1930 's 1940 's , branch militant groups , fight british get palestine yet fail see israeli form terrorism better terrorism practiced arabs jewish terrorist groups killed innocent british soldiers n't see difference killing british soldiers \( preventing jews tried escape nazis entering british mandate \) arab terrorist kill civilian men , women , children \? ! \? mention i'm anti semitic i'm part jewish 's atleast two counts first , even identify completely jewish n't rule possibility 're self hating anti semite one always find jews uncomfortable identities \( since want jews victims \) willing speak enemies secondly , strength weakness arguments depend identity adam schwartz \( sign name \)
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject zionism racism distribution world lines 26 1993apr25 nysernet org , astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) wrote c sessions dcs witsend tnet com writes steve lets , zionism \? assuming mean , n't told , zionism racism tautological statement think confusing tautological false misleading , 're right n't express well dialog went zionism racism b zionism \? dc n't listening , \? words , first statement defined zionism discourse everything else redundant c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
netcom com \( john w morris \) subject davidians compassion organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 26 surely equating david koresh christianity \? two comparable always option sect causing harm , label cult something else cheers , kent good point would doubt dk could spouted verse debated best according reports extensive bible knowledge one way sucked fools \( followers \? \) quote bible want judge say even makes sense sense , common n't seem common ! john morris netcom com san diego , ca opinion ,
cco caltech edu \( martin w lin \) subject swii se system 6 0 8 7 1 \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 12 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu i'm planning getting stylewriter ii mac se \( 2 5 mb ram , hd , two 800k floppy drives \) recommendations whether running system 6 0 8 better worse switching 7 1 n't much real work machine , would like keep word processing \( using word 4 n't see much advantage going word 5 , since slower \) help comments would appreciated thanks advance martin lin cco caltech edu
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 distribution na lines 30 maddi hausmann \( madhaus netcom com \) wrote know 're representing real christians \? \) bill , 're asshole get lost maddi , see still ca n't grasp obvious , devious nature , find fault argument misrepresenting \? plainly said stating christian position understand , say whether agree since point flaws position atheists invent never claimed expert anything especially christianity , made object pretty intense study years , feel qualified discuss general propositions exposed distortions misrepresentations christianity contrive rail , \( seems like classical strawman dodge said \) leaves nothing attack usual , avoid larger issues picking away insignificant stuff , find one particular thing post discuss , even tell issues \? bill
goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) subject janet reno killed waco children nntp posting host dzoo ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard company , chelmsford , lines 35 article fern camelot fern camelot bradley edu \( jill \) writes 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children provoked koresh \? excuse , david koresh killed inhabitants compound , gov't official people controlled koresh killed long time ago refused release children hostages call comparison first hear koresh refused release someone fact , lot people , including children , came stand know koresh killed followers \? fbi said plans \( place bugged \) , koresh 's attorney said thing , survivors claimed fire started goverment agents disclaimer opinions expressed mine , employer 's
jmparkin mtu edu \( jeremy parkinson \) subject forsale organization michigan technological university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 20 hello , parents selling 1978 22 foot excellent condition runs great 198 engine \( actually chevy 305 \) class hard top driver table stove water tank sink sleeping 6 much good around fishing boat interested info write mtu edu call \( 313 \) 681 thanks , jeremy jeremy parkinson aka slimy 'd give right arm jmparkin mtu edu unknown
hk mlr forsythe stanford edu \( mark rogowsky \) subject asante ethernet adapter lciii math chip organization stanford university lines 29 distribution usa nntp posting host morrow stanford edu article ie utoronto ca , andy ie utoronto ca \( andy sun \) writes hi , told local sales asante come lciii pds ethernet adapter optional 68882 socket board question fpu performance degrade put 68882 pds card socket instead motherboard \? intuitively , math co processor always placed close cpu , sure good apple 's called processor direct slot comes throughout anyone know answer experience asante lciii ethernet adapter \? thanks advance andy andy sun \( andy ie utoronto ca \) 4 creek road , toronto computing coordinator ontario , canada m5s 1a4 department industrial engineering phone \( 416 \) 978 university toronto fax \( 416 \) 978 believe fpu lciii always supposed go logic board , pds board heard crashing problems pds based lciii asante may fixed bother bother building lciii card fpu anyway \? extra circuitry gives card one chance fail say fpu main logic board , socket , ethernet alone pds card , slot mark
goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) subject info power pc ibm , apple , motorola ! nntp posting host apache utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 34 begin repost ibm , apple , motorola ready powerpc 601 processor wraps come powerpc 601 processor week , motorola corp , ibm , apple computer inc detail results effort first series powerpc processors 32 bit processor 64 bit memory interface , much like intel corp 's pentium , capability performing many three instructions per clock cycle , according sources familiar chip motorola expected release chip volume year end two configurations , running 50 66 mhz performance 40 50 marks , respectively , sources said floating point performance 3 6 volt processors even better , performance 60 80 , respectively 601 , scaled version power 220 chip developed ibm rs 6000 workstations , also include 32k single buffered cache chip protocols support motorola 's 64 bit multiprocessor bus built chip , designed initially support micro channel architecture , bus independent , vendors could develop powerpc based systems using number different architectures , including isa , eisa , sun microsystems inc 's bus design , one source noted according sources familiar development effort , motorola extremely successful developing powerpc inexpensive architecture , despite complex design made 2 8 million transistors using 0 6 micron technology initial chips expected priced 300 400 slightly higher intel corp 's 486 processors could sold less 100 , one source said end repost
ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \( markfried fellensiek \) subject high performance vlb video card \? organization monash university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 14 2 max vesa vl video controller logic chipset \( 2mb ram , 24 bit color , 1280x1024 ni \) 2 \( 2 0 \) support card \? markfried \( please post email \)
jmk cbnews cb att com \( joseph knapp \) subject waco investigation paranoia organization lines 10 v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes republicans like arlen spector calling investigations , n't going handled kid gloves ironic extreme spector manages uncover government conspiracy cover case maybe 'll posit magic grenade lit fires three wings building joe knapp jmk att com
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate organization partnership america free drug lines 32 jon jon ifi uio writes person know , belonging research lab rivate company , claimed conversation , given equipment lab , could crack kerberos ticket 15 minutes hour access rather powerful des hardware , kind , believe attack possible amount known plaintext ticket , constitutes small message two years ago n't believe , n't believe friend \? des known known plaintext attacks readily unless friend knows something keeping secret , , possible noted weakness implementation kerberos protocol instance , using weak rng generate keys might cut keyspace \( user keys kind 's name ca n't remember \) however , claimed claiming general weakness des , known exist open literature n't get wrong des weaker however , cracking 15 minutes requires money spent cracking machine organization know available perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
corbo lclark edu \( beth corbo \) subject stylewriter ii dying \? article lclark 1993apr24 organization lewis clark college , portland lines 26 article 1993apr24 6425 ultb isc rit edu bsd9554 ultb isc rit edu \( b davidson \) writes bought stylewriter ii couple months ago , lately , print something , notice white lines gaps running line printed 's almost like paper advancing far advancing lines replaced ink cartridge thinking might problem , lines still anyone else noticed problem \? 's best way get rid \? brian davidson internet bsd9554 ultb isc rit edu similar problem stylewriter \( original ! \) tried cleaning print heads \? swii driver , 's option print dialog box sometimes several times get crud yes wastes ink , beats white annoying lines another idea print couple pages big black box help get ink flowing good luck ! beth corbo corbo lclark edu
uxa cso uiuc edu \( g scott \) subject help 8088 80286 advice organization university illinois urbana lines 20 guf psuvm psu edu writes 8088 640k clone want except run 1 game want buy game says requires 80286 640k game tech support says game run 8088 uses digitized graphics would make run really slow \( 's card game classic card games , digitized graphics photos artwork game fictional card players \) speed game would run , short 80286 motherboard upgrade co processor \? accelerator card 80286 \? 8088 run 10 mhz advice would greatly appreciated 286 upgrade would probably cost 50 , 386 150 coprocessors accelerator cards would cost least much f b b feared merger uxa cso uiuc edu
schoinas fox cs wisc edu \( yannis schoinas \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization u wisconsin madison computer sciences lines 68 michael sells sells haverford edu writes subject europe vs muslim bosnians f54oguocha date 13 may 93 02 28 53 gmt article 13may93 02285380 edison usask ca , f54oguocha edison usask ca writes previous article , josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) wrote actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) josip , please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! oguocha 've asked crucial question underlies much genocide bosnian muslims slavic ethnicity speak serbo croatian slavic ideology whereby true slavs christian anyone converted islam thereby must changed ethnicity changing religion see novels displays attitudes part calls people \( e christian slavs \) reason , war criminals call bosnian muslims turks even though ethnically turk speak turkish first language reason , actually genocide labeled ethnically identical religiously called , paradoxically , ethnic cleansing rather religious cleansing somewhat close truth n't forget nationality recent invention western europe days ottoman empire , religion main point difference social classes ottomans n't recognize turks , arabs , greeks , serbs christians , muslims , jews , interested parties ottoman society bosnian muslims turks , n't many real \( ethnic \) turks living even turkey today even europe , 's culture defines ethnicity religion part one 's culture thus , war serbs croats continuation wwii , older agenda , annihilation islam muslims bosnian , carried cover serbo croat war support \? bye , yannis
duggan ecs umass edu subject creating colormap , e lookup table x11 r4 lines 99 hello , copy source using setup user specified color map x v4 attempting create user defined colors terms rgb color ranges calls xalloccolor prove ineffective variables defined follows int , j , k , lut index color type min image , max image color type image pixel value range , last image , start , end , jump , lut 512 unsigned long pixel double red , green , blue data structure used color operations typedef struct unsigned long pixel unsigned short red , green , blue char flags red , green , blue char pad xcolor xcolor , hardwarecolor color type defined double red , double green , double blue need know set possible values hardwarecolor work within call xalloccolor start red \( int \) 255 min image red 0 255 end red \( int \) 255 max image red 0 255 jump red \( int \) \( \( end red start red \) 7 \) start green \( int \) 255 min image green 0 255 end green \( int \) 255 max image green 0 255 jump green \( int \) \( \( end green start green \) 7 \) start blue \( int \) 255 min image blue 0 255 end blue \( int \) 255 max image blue 0 255 jump blue \( int \) \( \( end blue start blue \) 7 \) lut index 0 \( 0 8 \) \( j 0 j 8 j \) \( k 0 k 8 k \) \( 0 jump red 1 \) lut lut index red start red else lut lut index red jump red 1 \( j 0 jump green 1 \) lut lut index green start green else lut lut index green jump green j 1 \( k 0 jump blue 1 \) lut lut index blue start blue else lut lut index blue jump blue k 1 hardwarecolor red \( short \) lut lut index red hardwarecolor green \( short \) lut lut index green hardwarecolor blue \( short \) lut lut index blue hardwarecolor pixel lut index printf \( pixel n , lut index , hardwarecolor red , hardwarecolor green , hardwarecolor blue , hardwarecolor pixel \) status xalloccolor \( dpy , colormap , hardwarecolor \) printf \( pixel n , lut index , hardwarecolor red , hardwarecolor green , hardwarecolor blue , hardwarecolor pixel \) \( status ! 0 \) xsetforeground \( dpy , gc , hardwarecolor pixel \) xfillrectangle \( dpy , win , gc , 1 , 1 , , \) xflush \( dpy \) sleep \( 10 \) printf \( f f f n , lut index , lut lut index lut lut index green , lut lut index blue , hardwarecolor pixel \) lut index lut index 1 thanks advance anyone help problem sincerely , john f duggan john f duggan alias khan engineering computer services , internet duggan ecs umass edu univ massachusetts , amherst , bitnet duggan
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization temple university x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 29 article 1993apr27 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes article news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article 1993apr27 uoft02 utoledo edu steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu \( jason 'think ! ' steiner \) writes james p dusek \( dusek rtsg mot com \) writes garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes , used cs would harm children really hope 're sarcastic , 've seen many stupid things said complete seriousness 's hard tell without smiley actually believe 's cs gas discriminate based age target \? yes , gas used mild concentration formulation compared stuff know fact \? know \? , making things flamebait \? fbi claimed begining n't standard use tear gas know \? assume flamebait \? richard
lonestar utsa edu \( joseph \) subject yanks royals box score nntp posting host lonestar utsa edu organization university texas san antonio distribution usa lines 8 need box score april 15 game believe score 5 4 anyone provide would appreciate joseph jr u long distance , mkt rep 523 \( 210 \) 533 san pedro , suite 300 san antonio , tx san antonio , tx lonestar utsa edu \( 800 \) 460 ext 395
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject jack morris organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 22 bloch stanford edu \( craig meyer \) writes michael chen \( mike cunixf cc columbia edu \) wrote case , think viola would made better signing \? viola younger , left handed \( many left handed starters toronto \? well , agree viola better signing however , everyone say want lefthanded starters \? understand lefthanded spot relievers , even though usually face righthanded batters lefthanded batters n't understand people insist lefthanded starters , unless park effect \( e g , yankee stadium \) answer 're stupid seriously , think 're right money 've never understood making sure rotation left handed starters time makes sense unbalanced schedule main rival \( \) loaded lefthanded hitters , think 're completely right greg
cox lambda msfc nasa gov \( sherman cox \) subject hate sin organization nasa msfc lines 52 scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , often context discussions christianity homosexuality context really n't important question whether statement consistent christianity would think hate begets hate , never love consider sin 'll leave unnamed since n't want digress argument whether something sin lets apply hate sin philosophy see happens truly hate sin , see , stronger hatred become eventually hate becomes strong become disgusted sinner eventually come hate sinner addition , hatred sin often causes us say assumption part proof one always degenerate hating sinner , hates sin reminded civil rights movement america true many individuals hated proponents racism also true many individuals hated segregation discrimination whole heart never hating individuals practiced dr king 's message love individual , loving individual would transform friend however , take away hatred segregation hatred injustice summary law , christ commands us love god love neighbors n't say anything hate fact , anything , commands us save criticisms , christians supposed deal sin others \? suppose one way deal sin \( either others \) prayer need ask god help us sin , help love love conquer sin hatred place best way love someone pray would ask , john baptist practice love criticized jewish leaders day \? jesus practice love threw temple \? must least sin must order fight also must ready call god call sin right name jesus loved everyone , called sin right name true love others guide every step walk , also true sometimes love god calls us stand truth competition law jungle cooperation law civilization eldridge sherman cox , ii uahcs2 cs uah edu
goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) subject looking comments compaq deskpro 's nntp posting host apache utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 10 hello , experience knowledge comments advice etc compaq 's eisa deskpro machines , please reply \( preferably via email \) i'm thinking getting one looking user comments thanks ps i'm looking 66
fred rain com \( fred brooks \) subject two found shot inside compound organization guns peace lines 12 today texas found two people , man woman shot head inside burned compound people fbi described days fbi said person found front compound shot several children also two people found today top main inside concrete bunker provided protection fire comment children shot still proved defend 2nd amendment rights nra aclu fred brooks portland oregon
cohen ssdgwy mdc com \( andy cohen \) subject single launch space station organization mda w lines 14 distribution sci nntp posting host q5022531 mdc com article 1 cs cmu edu , mcimail com \( karl \) wrote andy cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc com writes single launch core station concept shuttle external tank solid rocket boosters would used launch station orbit shuttle main engines would mounted tail station module launch jettisoned et separation jettison \? hold shuttle bring use spares \? good question asked however , since option expensive freedom derivative , issue likely moot
r1328 vmcms csuohio edu subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization csu lines 64 article rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu \( brandon ray \) writes previous article , nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) says article btr btr com michaelh public btr com \( michael hahn michaelh btr com \) writes partial list excellent socialist tolls 've taken unpopular religious ethnic social groups mao tse tung millions killed j stalin millions killed hitler millions killed pol pot 100 , killed \? w j clinton 100 killed , relax 's hundred days people rather amusing perverse sort way take tragic unpleasant situation feel terrible , assign blame anybody everybody without link incident simply n't fit extremely narrow definition good clinton responsible \? law enforcement action granted , nationally covered incident clinton outcome fred perhaps 've rock last days \? batf fbi federal agencies clinton admitted front news cameras janet reno \( future attorney general \) gave full briefing planned , gave go ahead maybe , possibly , makes bit responsible \? fbi , cia , batf , etc federal agencies , correct think visible clear chain command prez , agencies inform reno informs clinton , etc naive agencies operate distinct seperate entities ultimate accountability prez , make moves , tell prez , says , knew along may seem right , may fit idealistic need see structured chain command leading white house , thats way , , composed 3 4 people talk regular basis , lunch , maybe golf together agree , fbi , batf messed i'm sure stormed compound way , witnesses religious minority country protestantism minority religion world bds cult definitions history cults say persecute religious ethnic enclave koresh said messiah raised baptist , although practice religion think big guy upstairs digging , , right wing morons associated religion anyway , messiah taught would carrying gun , let alone stockpiling weapons doubt batf reports want , david koresh poor soul persecuted information coming u government keep public opinion side , believe things former cult members said true anyway , another excuse try blame president clinton something people attempt political motives ashamed ones keeping country reaching full potential
sbuckley fraser sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) subject right \? organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 39 joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) writes recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created guess ought conclude , , since n't ask created , n't care go hell \) let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? n't consider sheep bible says god created us communion obedience first rule eat certain tree , else punishment distance physical death god 's intention creating us relationship us bible documents god 's attempts relationship person jesus bear consequences sin accept relationship god purpose creation god impose rules us \? 's god created us suppose right based mention infinite wisdom , 's 'd say god sarcastic , whole discussion irrelevant , eh \? believe god infinitely wise , belief inform relationship
schaefer math wisc edu \( mark \) subject cherry help , organization univ wisconsin dept mathematics lines 32 william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like ass let know maybe i'm missing something rookie year \( coach \) card \( 74 75 \) past couple seasons , highly successful coach rochester americans ahl , getting first shot nhl job bruins named coach year ahl last two years , aims make bruins rough team , couple years back although played 16 seasons professional hockey , never played regular season nhl game appear one playoff game boston 1956 57 's brother , dick , played two seasons nhl boston philadelphia mark listen , 're going buy lunch boxes , math wisc edu might well buy david cassidy lunch boxes uw dept mathematics madison , wi david cassidy
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject good reasons wave organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 23 nntp posting host b329 gator 1 pica army mil arturo informix com \( arturo vega \) wrote maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) writes 2 \) keeps habit watching really carefully bikes 're cage good thing anyone else ever caught waving oncoming motorcycle riders car \? sure caused wife conclude totally insane , partially usually lift left hand wheel wave thru windshield damn near motion bike tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
arturo informix com \( arturo vega \) subject bonding caged cop \? distribution rec motorcycles , ba motorcycles organization informix software , inc lines 22 oracle uucp \( kelley \) writes waving policeman , happy policeman , nice policeman anyone else experienced phenomenon , somehow one blessed cop 's good mood \? \( insert mild sarcasm \) dod 875 '92 seca ii well , however , would n't trade times 've h h h h close friend pulled , shouted , finally let verbal warning exchange waves ! \) like i'm serious later , art yes sir sir sorry sir thank sir ! arturo informix com
beethoven cs colostate edu \( eric schwartz \) subject looking x windows pc reply markw pspmf3 gpsemi com 's message wed , 12 may 1993 07 44 42 gmt nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization bach b organization lines 12 check program called pc xview 've used , tell , 's exactly 're looking last checked , able find 160 copy eric cs colostate edu course i'm certain ! heisenberg lamar colostate edu n't single redeeming vice bob barker go oscar wilde watch white \? wasting time important part living
csc2imd cabell vcu edu \( ian derby \) subject phils winning hard way summary phils keywords phils organization virginia commonwealth university expires fri , 30 apr 1993 04 00 00 gmt lines 9 phillies two games back back extra innings last night 's game hard fought game chicago blow two games show different phillies team past seasons tended always short end 1 run games n't know many times saw losing 1 run able win , might contending team 3 0 far extra innings course , 10 3
vnet ibm com \( hee cho \) subject prohibit spiral meningitis organization ibm korea disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software usenet 3 1 lines 5 like know effective prohibit prevent spiral meningitis child five years old heard 's canada sort side effects , etc hee cho
pixar com \( mark \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host pixar com organization pixar point richmond , california lines 35 alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes flame reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis accepted \? people think digital watches real good idea \? 60 channels television 10x better 6 channels television \? convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics 're right keep open mind following 1 donuts 2 cannibalism good way get extra protein diet 3 belief , god parking meters mark servant ! oh ! never become road pizza ! quarters , nay even , spent buy time park eternal parking lot !
rjl pitt edu \( richard j loether \) subject arlen specter 's address \? distribution usa organization university pittsburgh lines 44 article 1993apr23 nntpd lkg dec com williams bagels enet dec com \( bryan h williams \) writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu , r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article 1993apr22 icd ab com kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes anybody got arlen spectre 's address \? want write thank showing leadership demand congressional investigation waco mess arlen 's address , would go house \( weasels live houses holes \? \) personally tell pathetic idiot arlen word jerk snip i'm fan arlen spectre 's , right thing , attacking motives case wrong pardon , , n't trust spectre 's motives spectre major part warren commission , \( remember magic bullet theory \? \) trusted 's even tiniest chance may done something wrong gets chance i'm afraid satisfy public outcry another whitewash unfortunately , us get wish batf disbanded folded fbi , etc , may end efficient agency bumbling competition today agents fired prosecuted keep bumbling possible retain liberties way right money certainly applaud must stress personal responsibility goons set assault american citizens must count spectre , though , get done rjl rich loether snail mail university pittsburgh ideas email rjl pitt edu computing info services mine , voice \( 412 \) 624 600 epsilon drive fax \( 412 \) 624 6426 pittsburgh , pa mine
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) distribution na organization totally unorganized lines 84 article rahul net dhesi rahul net \( rahul dhesi \) writes 2109 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes come media telling provisions clipper decision \? bulk people informed , media refuses \? answer second question lies way phrased first one 'the media ' n't media means one medium ' thousands publications say , say bulk people informed , wo n't read informative publications \? much public n't even aware names informative publications look material typical unless person working kind technical environment , usual trade journals , ever see media \( note media context popular media tv , radio , daily newspapers , publications time , newsweek , \) say pretty much thing see range center left far left , generally supportive pie sky take care think cradle grave seems air arrogance individual capable understanding major issues media n't bother inform \( clipper , example \) tells people interpret events others lost sight people good understanding things told accurate information lot expect people example , would unaware clipper picked usenet much population usenet , let alone internet access \? access better publications , person spend time digging many folks , especially work long hours , families , etc , time go digging , many \( yet \) aware things wrong , motivated dig saying right , saying way things people n't upset things n't told less objective media major problem compound attitude arrogance civil service \( bureaucrats , politicians \) act person without political connections , deep pockets \( potential \) rights , resource used control financial gain law enforcement agencies act regard common person rather intense degree contempt , supposed told , get nasty someone questions media pundits editors , etc tend fall privilege , tend upset current state affairs fellow dc , shot daring swim , illegally owned gun \( violating law pushed everyone else \) , ends walking less well connected person would crucified typical example one standard , much restrictive standard perhaps real eloquent expressing , solution sure hell make harder people find going , dismiss concerns one happens position one feels exempt insulated hypocrite journalist dc described one notices less complimentary points double standard covered media feel reason political views subject , involved journalist n't time media , main source info average person , start claim , instead spin doctors statist elements \? rahul dhesi dhesi rahul net also dhesi cirrus com pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
cannon mksol dseg ti com \( christopher cannon \) subject 2mb ati ultra pro 16 24 bit windows drivers work \? organization texas instruments , inc lines 36 article ut emx uucp reza magellan ae utexas edu \( \) writes hi bought 486 dx2 66 gateway system 2 meg ati ultra pro video card everything seems work fine except windows drivers 800x600 24 bit , 800x600 1024x768 16 bit modes fonts icons start deteriorating windows startup , within minutes use , everything screen totally naturally , called gateway tech support inquire technician asked drivers , told version 1 5 , build 59 told 16 24 bit drivers pure bull 've 24 bit mode \( 640x480 800x600 \) working since version 59 \( \? \? 55 \? \? \) 59 added 24 bit option try getting drivers ftp cica indiana edu wuarchive ati ultra pro simply work ! ! ! true \? , i'm simply amazed could \? strange thing would expected see discussion \( unless subject made faq ! ! ! \) gateway 486 dx2 66 local bus 16 megs ram scsi hd cd rom ultrastor 34f local bus scsi controller ati ultra pro local bus 2mb vram dos 6 0 windows 3 1 mach 32 drivers version 1 5 \( build 59 \) mine gateway 486 dx2 50 lb 8 megs ram ide hd ati gup w 2mb \( installed upgrade \) 59 drivers cannon lobby ti com
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject serbian genocide work god \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 15 might want think attitude holocaust reading deuteronomy chapter 28 contrary , holocaust , would cautious deuteronomy 28 everything happens accordance god 's \( might guess side predestination issue \) never assume evil punishment god , especially speaking evil falls someone else life , work discern hand god evil see discussion earlier luke 13 revdak netcom com \( \)
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject government biggest cult leader \? organization hand held products , inc lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com look , folks , n't know happened waco claim bds angels , never koresh may well devil incarnate n't know know must question single source information , must question even harder given single source government ever else happened waco , perhaps biggest evil done even light turning federal officials state officials really n't understand devoted government worshipers believe government could possibly wrong fanatic point making things , brent 's microwave oven disclaim bd 's using fire food heating hard pressed see real difference claimed power koresh held bds , demonstrated power government holds rapid apologists jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
subject xv 3 00 escaped ! sands ccu1 aukuni ac nz \( greg sands \) reply g sands auckland ac nz organization university auckland lines 13 bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes found , answers name 'contrib xv 3 00 tar z' even think getting , going posted comp sources x time near future \? greg greg sands department engineering science university auckland g sands auckland ac nz new zealand
v32 uh cwru edu \( \) subject put helmet organization image analysis center , univ hospitals cleveland lines 13 distribution world reply uh cwru edu nntp posting host max uh cwru edu response jerry lotto 's post putting helmet mirror else risk damaging padding inside one major causes mirror impact pavement laws mirrors protected helmets might order seriously one place put helmet , preferably clean , footpeg , hanging chin guard , away hot pipes ed dod 1110
wynapse indirect com \( dave campbell wynapse \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization internet direct inc \( 602 \) 274 0100 lines 35 dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) writes may faq \( , please direct known answer \) getting frustrated looking help running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close many lines deleted danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu \( 602 \) 621 danny working shareware , found resources , wise person pointed sdk , specifically debug kernel sdk stuff installed , \( also comes vc \) , run swap debug kernel runs c n e r b l slower , execute command , let report going going find lot apps cared , possibly peoples apps \( \? i'm sorry \) n't make sense , repost , e mail dave dave campbell wynapse wynapse wynapse indirect com shareware custom control source
emory edu \( joshua \) subject islanders win third ot organization emory university , atlanta , ga lines 10 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 n't know scored , isles \( 28 7 franchise record playoff ot games \) took game four score 4 3 third consecutive ot win capitals tonight uniondale know , please post scored isles fan living atlanta hockey hell lord stan 's uniondale man ! go isles !
unixg ubc ca \( michael \) subject winfax files ascii format \? organization university british columbia lines 28 nntp posting host unixg ubc ca zhao nmsu edu zhao nmsu edu \( z zhao \) writes currently , using winfax software receive send fax pcs works pretty well problem received files bit map format , take lots hd space told programs pattern recognition raster characters fax files translate ascii code , store file ascii format would like tell \( 1 \) whether software package translation \? \( 2 \) one , find \? \( 3 \) software package public domain \? version winfax \? newest version \( 3 0 \) ocr \( optical character recognition \) built means take fax \( ie , letter \) convert ascii one edit document w typing however , found ocr comes packaged winfax work well omnipage professional \( also software \) , , winfax ver 3 0 looking good luck ! regards ,
oueichek imag fr \( ibaa oueichek \) subject simms prices nntp posting host organization imag institute , university grenoble , france x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 17 i'm looking best source simms usa i'm looking lowest prices , rather best quality simms one lowest rate defective simms know chip merchant good prices seems high rate returned simms anyone know many simms purchase obtain quantity discount \? thank sham \( u \) ya tha \( \) \( u \) lam \( \) ibaa oueichek oueichek imag imag fr ya jamal \( al \) \( \) fi \( l \) \( \) lab de genie informatique \( lgi \) \( \) \( \) \( u \) fi imag , \( \) ala \( sh \) \( \) 46 , av felix , grenoble
guest lan cs ac za \( guest user \) subject cga help wanted organization students network , computer science department , university pretoria lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host 11 cs ac za hi , i'm looking help hi cga modes \( hey , know sounds crazy moment 's got \) card 's manual says something like 640 400 2 colour 640 200 4 colour \( card 64k memory \) could anyone give help implement modes \( assembly language fine \) usefull tips cga regs also help thanx advance email ac za
carroll hercules cis udel edu \( mark c carroll \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host hercules cis udel edu organization university delaware , newark lines 52 article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police wait second , 're ignoring major facts attempt simply serve warrant batf knock warrant initial firefight began batf threw concussion grenades building \( batf admits ! \) anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear let 's realistic , shall \? 're member rather paranoid religious organization someone comes building , dressed black suits , carrying firearms throw concussion grenade place , try break , exactly , going \? would allow anyone enter home without first identifying someone attacks home firing weapons throwing explosive , think 'd entirely justified defending regardless think bds , regardless whether guilty firearms violations , way treat people supposedly free society mc mark craig carroll mc people getting tired lies univ delaware , dept cis people believe 's time grad student hacker 're demanding rights answers carroll udel edu elect precedent state mind fish
head cfa harvard edu \( jonathan mcdowell \) subject sts 57 inclination \? organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory , cambridge , , usa lines 11 article 1993may14 1 vax1 tcd ie , apryan vax1 tcd ie primary payload spacehab 1 1 r inclination 57 degrees seen elsewhere inclination 28 degrees correct \? hmmm atlantis left 28 degree orbit retrieving going really fun fly 57 degrees torque canadarm ! \) jonathan
watson princeton edu \( robert \) subject comet launch date originator news nimaster nntp posting host princeton edu organization princeton university lines 7 hello , familiar comet program concerns comet scheduled launched wallops island sometime june anyone know official launch date set \? thanks , rob
wier merlin etsu edu \( bob wier \) subject adobe photoshop mailing list organization east texas state university lines 16 've done bit looking , hav n't able come mailing list newsgroup users adobe photoshop assuming 've missed , 'll go ahead see enough interest start mailing list \( alt newsgroup \) drop note might interested subscribing thanks ! bob wier \( grateful dead \) insert usual disclaimers bob wier , east texas state u , commerce , texas historic image processing project wier merlin etsu edu \( watch address change \)
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject christian morality organization macalester college lines 37 article 1993apr21 cs nott ac uk , kax cs nott ac uk \( kevin anthoney \) writes article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love 's difference believing existence entity , loving entity god could show directly exists , 'd still free choice whether love n't \? kevin anthoney kax cs nott ac uk n't believe anything read sig files kevin makes good point , theists miss often , belief diety necessarily coupled agreement love diety , really yet another bit convincing beyond belief guess standard goes something like well , believe god , know god love , choose love widely accepted asserted 'd laughable best regards , adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws understand one another \? fear beyond comprehension gandalf
soenke wiwi12 uni bielefeld de \( soenke voss \) subject help needed callbacks , actions events nntp posting host wiwi12 uni bielefeld de organization universitaet bielefeld lines 34 understood two methods connect application code widgets callbacks actions problem face quite long piece application code performs lot drawing window want connect widget problem far could use callback function action , processing events afterwards drawing takes , want application code sequence able interrupted events want handle events resume processing application code point interrupted seems n't possible , give user impression inputs immediately processed \? anybody idea \? please answer via e mail thanks advance soenke soenke voss faculty economics soenke wiwi12 uni bielefeld de university bielefeld w 4800 bielefeld 1 germany difference madman mad ! \( dali \)
cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) subject gun control nntp posting host phy mtu edu organization michigan tech x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 38 tue , 20 apr 1993 21 30 12 gmt , pete \( phz cadence com \) wrote article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes n't even get capitalization correct ! try reading usca constitution , get correct version constitution really stupid nitpicking capitalization rules late 18th century quite different today , posted matches current capitalization rules pete right , n't need worry capitalization rules , gives necessary information sentence structure anyone worry whether text close original possible \( sarcasm intended \) original constitution , militia , arms , etc capitalized simply also done currently german special significance words simply capitalized capitalization denotes special emphasis n't understand , said get correct version constitution first indicator something wrong \( e copy \) modern capitalization rules next thing go spelling , 've even seen versions grammar \( oh , n't worry , modernizing grammar wo n't change meaning text , right \? \) p found 10 different versions constitution network accuracy matter charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physics , michigan tech , houghton , mi 49931 government little great things , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson , 1821
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject freedom u organization university virginia lines 16 bull shit reason world ca n't say taking views analogous kkk 's organization wrong reason morality may legislated allow theft , murder , rape allow hateful sppech whose purpose stir anger violence harry actually , 're wrong well kkk allowed march attempts curtail freedom rejected \( actually believe aclu case last year \) morality free country like u 'll post something tj uva uva bashers
acme gen nz \( \) subject atari mono vga reply acme gen nz \( \) organization bbs , north , new zealand \( 64 6 357 \) lines 52 oregon uoregon edu \( alan \) writes article 1993apr19 tdb uu se , m88max tdb uu se \( max brante \) w anybody converting atari monitor mono vga monitor please let know exactly graphics card used wish could help ! posted similar question two weeks ago got response 've asked locally friendly atari store told possible , idea might done particularly care investigate ok , 's results far 1 define monitor lcd n't really support analogue video input \( works , n't linear \) 2 incoming sync pulses need best achieved either cmos xor package transistor inverter n't know , n't even contemplate \) 3 'll work standard vga mode ok , said , i'm trying either find circuit ic act universal sync decoder want basically detects leading sync pulse edge , n't care polarity , going pulses atari monitor requires 2 reasons 1 vga cards change sync polarity depending mode 're herc emulation , , example 2 means n't put toggle switch back monitor order able run atari ibm currently 3 \( yes , 3 ! \) monitors sitting desk , want get number much possible able use atari monitor paper white vga cut things 2 forget atari colour , get 1 ultimately , best course action get multisync monitor , i'm pressed cash anyone else , 'll wait alan brown acme gen nz
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject turning photographic images thermal print negatives organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 22 jennifer lynn urso \( andrew cmu edu \) wrote well , lots experience scanning images altering changing back negatives , really possible \? \( stuff deleted \) jennifer urso oh bitter woman utter \( cheerful undertones \) use aldus photostyler pc turn colour black white image negative turn negative colour black white image n't know works well test scanned negative used aldus create positive looked better print film developers gave tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
feeley cattell psych upenn edu \( wm michael feeley \) subject clipper conference calls organization university pennsylvania lines 5 nntp posting host cattell psych upenn edu curious , would clipper chip system handle conference calls \?
ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) subject seen lobby , us nntp posting host casco lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 16 1 \) think us afford stamp envelope , cost printing letter 2 \) kind soul would write letter , upload net , everyone could capture , print , snail mail local congressional critter btw i'm working one nate hate quotations message brought tell know nate sammons , number 42 ralph waldo emerson ns111310 longs lance colostate edu
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject turkish genocide incontrovertibly proven historians , reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 353 article panix com panix com \( michael \) writes one categories \( believe number turks feeling european \) made typo , corrected another posting right afterwards \? poor see 're preparing groundwork yet another retreat asala sdpa arf' claims hasan b mutlu serdar argic posting stuff attributed errors past love ever happen , look window see non fascist nazi x soviet armenian government east way , ignorance armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people hardly characteristic 'arromdians' source k papazian , patriotism perverted , baikar press , boston , 1934 pp 17 18 seems terrorism co nationals prominent part revolutionary activities dashnag leaders caucasus organized fight turks , successful fight armenian opponents turkey , caucasus , often defenseless innocent p 38 fact remains , however , leaders turkish armenian section dashnagtzoutune carry promise loyalty turkish cause turks entered war call sent armenian volunteers fight turks caucasian front p 38 thousands armenians world , standards famous fighters antranik , , dro , etc armenian volunteer rendered valuable service russian army years 1914 15 16 got map \? got minute \? source 1 mccarthy , j , muslims minorities , population ottoman anatolia end empire , new york university press , new york , 1983 , pp 133 144 source 2 hovannisian , richard g , armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 non existent list scholars publicly available scholarly sources mine 'arromdian' references eminent authors field middle eastern history eyewitnesses armenian genocide 2 5 million muslims 1 armenian revolutionary movement louise nalbandian , university california press , berkeley , los angeles , 1975 2 diplomacy imperialism 1890 1902 william lenger , professor history , harward university , boston , alfred knopt , new york , 1951 3 turkey europe sir charles elliot , edward arnold , london , 1900 4 chatnam house version middle eastern studies elie kedouri , praeger publishers , new york , washington , 1972 5 rising crescent ernest jackh , farrar reinhart , inc , new york toronto , 1944 6 spiritual political evolutions islam felix valyi , mogan , paul , trench truebner co , london , 1925 7 struggle power moslem asia e alexander powell , century co , new york , london , 1924 8 struggle transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh , yale university press , new , conn , 1951 9 history ottoman empire modern turkey \( 2 volumes \) stanford j shaw , cambridge university press , cambridge , new york , melbourne , 1977 10 western question greece turkey arnold j toynbee , constable co , ltd , london , bombay sydney , 1922 11 caliph 's last heritage sir mark sykes , macmillan co , london , 1915 12 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1928 13 adventures near east , 1918 22 rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 14 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 15 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) 16 armenia road independence richard g hovanessian , university california press , berkeley , california , 1967 17 rebirth turkey clair price , thomas seltzer , new york , 1923 18 caucasian battlefields w b allen paul muratoff , cambridge , 1953 19 partition turkey harry n howard , h fertig , new york , 1966 20 king crane commission harry n howard , beirut , 1963 21 united states policy partition turkey laurence evans , john hopkins university press , baltimore , 1965 22 british documents related turkish war independence gothard jaeschke 1 neside kerem demir , bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiye'nin ermeni meselesi , hulbe basim yayin , ankara , 1982 \( ingilizce birinci baski 1980 , armenian question turkey \) 2 veysel eroglu , ermeni mezalimi , sebil yayinevi , istanbul , 1978 3 alper gazigiray , osmanlilardan gunumuze kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru'nun kaynaklari , gozen kitabevi , istanbul , 1982 4 dr kirzioglu fahrettin , kars ili cevresinde ermeni mezalimi , kardes matbaasi , ankara , 1970 c basbakanlik osmanli arsivi , babiali , istanbul \) yildiz esas evraki b \) yildiz perakende c \) irade defterleri \) cemaat gayr muslime defterleri e \) meclisi vukela mazbatalari f \) dahiliye nezareti , kalem mahsus dosyalari g \) dahiliye nezareti , sifre defterleri h \) babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar \) babiali evrak odasi muhimme kartonlari c disisleri bakanligi , hazine evrak , defterdarlik \) harb umumi b \) muteferrik kartonlar british archives \) parliamentary papers \( hansard \) commons lords b \) foreign office confidential print various collections c \) foreign office 424 239 253 turkey correspondence annual reports \) foreign office 608 e \) foreign office 371 , political intelligence general correspondence f \) foreign office 800 240 , ryan papers g \) foreign office 800 151 , curzon papers h \) foreign office 839 eastern conference lausanne 53 files india office records library , blackfriars road , london \) l political security 10 851 855 \( five boxes \) , turkey treaty peace 1918 1923 b \) l p 10 1031 , near east turkey greece lausanne conference , 1921 1923 c \) l p 11 154 \) l p 11 1031 french archives archives du ministere des affaires entrangeres , quai d'orsay , paris \) documents diplomatiques affaires armeniens 1895 1914 collections b \) guerre 1914 1918 turquie legion d'orient c \) levant , 1918 1929 armenie official publications , published documents , diplomatic correspondence , agreements , minutes others turkey \( ottoman empire republic turkey \) akarli , e \( ed \) belgelerle tanzimat , \( istanbul , 1978 \) \( gn kur , atase \) askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxi \( 81 \) , \( dec 1982 \) askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxii \( 83 \) , \( dec 1983 \) hocaoglu , \( ed \) ittihad anasir osmaniye heyeti nizamnamesi , \( istanbul , 1912 \) meray , l \( trans ed \) lozan baris konferansi tutanaklar belgeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) , 2 vols meray , l olcay \( ed \) osmanli imparatorlugu'nun cokus belgeleri mondros birakismasi , sevr andlasmasi , ilgili belgeler , \( ankara , 1977 \) \( osmanli devleti , dahiliye nezareti \) aspirations et agissements revolutionnaires des comites armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la constitution ottomane , \( istanbul , 1917 \) ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra , \( istanbul , 1916 \) idare umumiye vilayet kanunu , \( istanbul , 1913 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v \( istanbul , 1914 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v ii \( istanbul , 1915 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iii \( istanbul , 1916 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iv \( istanbul , 1917 \) \( osmanli devleti , hariciye nezareti \) imtiyazat ecnebiyye'nin lagvindan dolayi memurine teblig olunacak talimatname , \( istanbul , 1915 \) \( osmanli devleti , harbiye nezareti \) islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat , \( istanbul , 1919 \) \( iv ordu \) aliye divan harbi orfisinde tedkik olunan mesele yi siyasiye hakkinda izahat , \( istanbul , 1916 \) turkozu , h k \( ed \) osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi , \( ankara , 1982 \) turkiye buyuk millet meclisi gizli celse zabitlari , \( ankara , 1985 \) , 4 vols russia adamof , e e \( ed \) sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyle anadolu'nun taksimi plani , \( tran h rahmi , ed h mutlucag \) , \( istanbul , 1972 \) altinay , r iki komite iki kital , \( istanbul , 1919 \) kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler , \( istanbul , 1919 \) turkiye 'de katolik propagandasi , turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi , v xiv 82 5 \( sept 1924 \) asaf muammer harb mesulleri , \( istanbul , 1918 \) akboy , c birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , v osmanli imparatorlugu'nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harbe girisi , \( gn kur , ankara , 1970 \) akgun , general harbord'un anadolu gezisi \( ermeni meselesi'ne dair \) raporu kurtulus savasi baslangicinda , \( istanbul , 1981 \) akin , turk devrim tarihi , \( istanbul , 1983 \) aksin , jon turkler ittihad terakki , \( istanbul , 1976 \) basar , z \( ed \) ermenilerden gorduklerimiz , \( ankara , 1974 \) ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) belen , f birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , \( ankara , 1964 \) deliorman , turklere karsi ermeni komitecileri , \( istanbul , 1980 \) ege , n n \( ed \) prens sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari , \( istanbul , 1977 \) ercikan , ermenilerin bizans osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri , \( ankara , 1949 \) gurun , k 'ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir \? ' , turk tarihinde ermeniler sempozyumu , \( izmir , 1983 \) hocaoglu , arsiv vesikalariyla tarihte ermeni mezalimi ermeniler , \( istanbul , 1976 \) karal , e osmanli tarihi , v v \( 1983 , 4th ed \) v vi \( 1976 , 2nd ed \) v vii \( 1977 , 2nd ed \) v viii \( 1983 , 2nd ed \) ankara kurat , osmanli imparatorlugu'nun paylasilmasi , \( ankara , 1976 \) orel , yuca ermenilerce talat pasa'ya atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu , \( ankara , 1983 \) also english translation ahmad , f young turks committee union progress turkish politics , \( oxford , 1969 \) first world war ensuing years 1914 1920 , armenian dictatorship premeditated systematic genocide , tried complete centuries old policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering 2 5 million muslims deporting rest 1 , 000 year homeland attempt genocide justly regarded first instance genocide 20th century acted upon entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians , government international political leaders , u ambassador mark bristol , william langer , ambassador layard , james barton , stanford shaw , arthur chester , john dewey , robert dunn , papazian , nalbandian , ohanus appressian , jorge blanco villalta , general nikolayef , general bolkovitinof , general prjevalski , general odiselidze , meguerditche , kazimir , motayef , twerdokhlebof , general hamelin , rawlinson , avetis aharonian , dr stephan eshnanie , varandian , general bronsart , arfa , dr hamlin , boghos nubar , sarkis atamian , katchaznouni , rachel bortnick , halide edip , mccarthy , w b allen , paul muratoff many others j c hurewitz , professor government emeritus , former director middle east institute \( 1971 1984 \) , columbia university bernard lewis , cleveland e dodge professor near eastern history , princeton university halil inalcik , university professor ottoman history member american academy arts sciences , university chicago peter golden , professor history , rutgers university , newark stanford shaw , professor history , university california los angeles thomas naff , professor history director , middle east research institute , university pennsylvania ronald jennings , associate professor history asian studies , university illinois howard reed , professor history , university connecticut dankwart rustow , distinguished university professor political science , city university graduate school , new york john woods , associate professor middle eastern history , university chicago john masson smith , jr , professor history , university california berkeley alan fisher , professor history , michigan state university avigdor levy , professor history , brandeis university andreas g e bodrogligetti , professor history , university california los angeles kathleen burrill , associate professor turkish studies , columbia university roderic davison , professor history , george washington university walter denny , professor history , university massachusetts caesar farah , professor history , university minnesota tom goodrich , professor history , indiana university pennsylvania tibor halasi kun , professor emeritus turkish studies , columbia university justin mccarthy , professor history , university louisville jon mandaville , professor history , portland state university \( oregon \) robert olson , professor history , university kentucky madeline zilfi , professor history , university maryland james stewart robinson , professor turkish studies , university michigan list goes serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
bnc si macsch com \( brian casey \) subject mac disks windows \? organization corporation lines 27 article 1993may17 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) writes macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know well , ca n't say n't work inability read 800k mac disks sw problem rather , 's hardware pcs seen post program able read non 1 44mb mac disks , comes memory 's card , drop com port something n't remember specifics , tho peace , mickey 1 44mb drives \( mac pc \) , disk spins constant rpm 800k mac disk drives , spin rate disk varied tracks pass head constant speed slower rotation outer tracks , faster rotation inner tracks pc needs special controller hardware make happen brian casey bnc macsch com
uhura cc rochester edu \( outatime \) subject emergency brake '86 nissan maxima keywords nissan nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 12 quick , simple question really many wheels affected emergency brake '86 nissan maxima 've heard four affected , would seem unusual thought emergency brake cars affected rear wheels also , powerful emergency brake usually \? enough lock wheels 30mph \? hmmmm wonder things hear outatime
yalevm ycc yale edu \( r \) subject help wanted loading logitech scanman driver high memory organization yale university lines 8 nntp posting host yalevm ycc yale edu logitech scanman driver \( latest version \) high memory devicehigh command msdos 6 gives message necessary change scanner driver parameters loading high \? help would appreciated
allen well sf ca us \( allen barrett ethridge \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link , sausalito , ca lines 9 1993apr26 eff org mnemonic eff org \( mike godwin \) writes article c614bj bk6 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning cite source , please cryptography data security , page 8 , perhaps
pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) subject freedom u nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) organization columbia university lines 36 article 1993apr27 cs ucla edu steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) writes ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes virginia edu true founding father , thomas jefferson author bill rights , allowing freedom speach sorry guys israel hard time concept jefferson author bill rights history books n't , jefferson might group think enumerating rights necessary cheers , steve steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 steven cs ucla edu los angeles , ca 90024 1596 ! ! mr jefferson would clearly disappointed designation author bill rights reference israel inappropriate independence 1776 written thomas jefferson , constitution drafted 55 men philadelphia , bill rights added well , maybe jefferson would guys uva , right , anti jewish , self hating visited charlottesville , noticed distinct lack diversity , must assume garner inability perceive reality outside world p
jon atlas mitre org \( j e shum \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 originator jon atlas nntp posting host atlas mitre org organization mitre corp mclean va lines 42 article blake 70 nevada edu , blake nevada edu \( rawlin blake \) writes article 1993apr21 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes predict outcome study went wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives mean n't already \? could fooled remember waco ! government decide murder next \? maybe \? opinions mine n't care blame university state well , seems n't learn lessons history \? hoping kent state taught us lesson apparently apparently government murder anyone choose still hmm recent lesson little square china \? another lesson might one repeated every year tibet course 's always el beat goes \( messages god get ass ! trust government ! time ! reason ! screaming man connect god damned dots ! ! ! ministry , tv song clinton administration e mail addresses campaign92 org \( mcimail \) provided public service 75300 3115 compuserve com \( compuserve \) jon edward shum \( jon mitre org \) clintonpz aol com \( america online \)
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject right \? organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 61 article 1993apr22 ifi uio , joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) writes recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? god infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? god let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created god granted gift life whether sinner saint let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? scientist creates living creature examine , poke prod learn behaviour kill becomes threat example , let 's say scientist creates rex breaks free confines starts population scientist would hesitate killing god creates us loving companions knows whether true love lets us know consequences rejecting god cannot abide sin rejecting god , person becomes enemy god , one must killed note say god god alone worthy judge , jury executioner called carry duties worthy god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? god god question creator \? doubt god 's certain situations , claim know better solution \? would playing role god \? hmmmmmmmmmmmm want point sarcasm , mean one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire
ln doc ic ac uk \( leonidas \) subject xcreateregion works \? \? organization department computing , imperial college , university london , uk lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host finch doc ic ac uk keywords xlib , hi , could someone explain exactly xlib functions xcreateregion , , , suggest ftp site find programs using functions ps man pages explain much thank , leo leonidas ln doc ic ac uk imperial college , london , uk dept computing
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) article rwing 2109 distribution na organization totally unorganized lines 99 article bu edu uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes article 1993apr22 134214 18517 rick dgbt doc ca jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth deleted circut court judge illinois said dealing government seeks continually new creative ways spy its' citizenry , one cannot discourage move empower common citizen means parry attack personal privacy \( unfortunately comment regard banning radar detectors \) point remains see government slowly washing away privacy even unwittingly think ever live soceity issues smart cards citizens birth \? think live soceity insists register crypto keys keep track i'm saying \? even evidence guilt \? think ever live soceity seeks meddle affairs its' citizenry without recourse kind \? i'm tired \( imho \) compromise administration seeks implement proposals guise enhancing privacy proposals , read language press releases , obvious deception involved presenting pieces public , sickened revolted repulsed 90 , perhaps even 95 country could care less clipper chip , wiretap bill , smart card , rhetoric clinton administration problem , people scope , pointed hell , n't even heard clipper , , soothing language telling everyone nice government privacy come media telling provisions clipper decision \? provisions crime bill \? abuses civil forfeiture \? government uses polls support 75 percent people want gun bans , etc , yet pollsters determined \( according media \) 30 percent people unaware holocaust people cannot expected give decent decisions denied information abuses away rights going quietly find \( hits \) , late one cannot expect citizen spend time probing , searching , researching , etc example , big percentage average population even access usenet \? way less 1 percent , bet many outside internet usenet even aware big brother , exposed arguments sides issue \? public get one side government 's side scary frightens conserveative believe law order conserveative move centralized regime really scares , mostly know cant go far wrong intelligence american people tell 's going keep safe drug dealers terrorists , let put cameras home bulk people informed , media refuses \? even wake waco , find support increasingly moves somebody said something like armed violence meant used response armed attack meant used agression difference self defence murder quite honest , way things going , 'd call self defense let 's try avoid killing things , eh \? 's enough blood shed world , without adding couple riots , civil wars , etc i'm probably overreacting 've read scared lot n't want children growing war zone dont want mine eyes security camera 24 hours day people large need informed \? one person try talk everyone listen , hardly make kind dent pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net believe technical means ensuring key escrow without government maintaining secret kind necessarily instance , system outlined may 1993 issue byte , process getting one 's public key listed general use involves giving pieces private key escrow agencies , calculations pieces forward result publishers public key directory , combines results listed public key try give escrow agencies pieces n't yield private key put together , result public key listed wrong ca n't read messages encrypted
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 19 article zola esd sgi com archer esd sgi com \( archer \( bad cop \) surly \) writes cps edu cps edu \( michael \) writes really speed game umps need start calling strikes way used i'm talking making strike zone start knees go top letters forget strike zone general area groin lot less 3 2 counts quicker game tried '60 's people stopped coming droves , offense suffered immensely lowered mound first \( 69 season \) strike zone n't start mid 70s scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
uxa cso uiuc edu \( vincent paul guthrie \) subject mlb nba \? organization university illinois urbana lines 36 rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes article netcom com , mss netcom com \( mark singer \) says article 93108 vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes want decrease players' salaries \? want increase salaries \? two equivalent bob vesterman insist ticket prices cannot adjusted downward taxes revenues build parking charges concession costs etc 1 \) would owners decrease ticket prices obviously get lots people pay price 're asking \? 2 \) even assuming strange power make owners decrease ticket prices , decrease tv contract bob vesterman happen tv contract runs , considering networks losing money \? either ticket prices go , someones salary cut , perhaps local community could make difference baseball probably facing dramatic drop income soon , someone suffer \( probably fans higher ticket prices , definitely someone \)
elroy uh edu \( b j \) subject mitsumi sb pro organization university houston lines 9 distribution usa nntp posting host elroy uh edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr20 zip eecs umich edu , grover emunix emich edu \( grover thomas \) writes poke little pins connector , replace correct slots \? easy poke \? regards , b j houston , texas usa n't believe coffee
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject major views trinity reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 40 article may 11 02 37 09 1993 athos rutgers edu , write fear orthodox theologians overly love paradox , extent well meaning people think 've flat confused 's problem things 3 1 , e g 3 different parts 1 're way different aspects , modes , whatever , one god accept economic trinitarianism , 's possible n't substantive difference standard view possible n't find neo platonic explanation illuminating \? clh would put stronger consider nonsense simply put , see way platonic essence could real existance essence platonic sense referent far tell imaginary concept invented provide explanation things better explained ways , attribute god attribute something exist ! ! thus orthodox platonic formulation seems leave unity god , since based non existant , thus failing avoid problem supposed address thus , , unity god must primary , must secondary , must modal \( relating roles , modes interaction \) , since otherwise meaning saying god one sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com think one read augustine saying something consistent comments de influential west defines distinction among persons 're probably one extreme orthodox views , i'm sure views necessary incompatible trinity clh
shiekh trieste \( andy shiekh \) subject 2 silver solder organization utexas mail news gateway lines 16 nntp posting host cs utexas edu seen existance electronics solder 2 silver content seems good wetting anyone tell used \? \( silver expensive metal \) andy anwar shiekh feel obliged believe international centre god endowed us sense , theoretical physics reason , intellect intended us trieste , italy forgo use \( shiekh bitnet \) galileo
nigel dataman demon co uk \( nigel ballard \) subject mind machines \? distribution world organization infamy inc reply nigel dataman demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 29 use mind machine bought usa last year although 's wonder cure 's however good stopping thinking ! sound strange \? well suppose 're tired want go bed sleep head full problems resolve , lay bed , quickly come surface , around one unresolved thing next back , bought shirt \? slip select soothing pattern light sound , quickly ca n't concentrate previous stuff brain 's cache kinda get 's flushed , start whole new set stuff useful addition , facility feed output tape player cd box , use new age elevator enhance overall effect better pill cheers nigel nigel ballard int nigel dataman demon co uk i'm pink uk cis radio therefore i'm spam
noao edu \( mark \) subject need help finding address keywords white sands tracking facility nntp posting host ursa noao edu organization national optical astronomy observatories , tucson , az , usa lines 7 could someone please help trying find address receiving station white sands missile range interested possible employment would like write information thanks
gvl unisys com \( steve \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? distribution usa organization paramax systems , , pa lines 15 nntp posting host ivy paramax com article ncube com bob ncube com \( bob kehoe \) writes curiously \( consider test vehicles \) , found mercury higher build quality nissan curious built mercury factory steve stephen internet ivy paramax com integration phone \( 215 \) 443 7500 paramax systems corporation , pennsylvania
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject good reasons wave organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 14 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article beryllium , mdennie xerox com \( matt dennie \) writes genetic thing little boys \? even three four year old boys seem attracted motorcycles sort \( often dismay thier mothers \) think answered question ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
rrg rtp fibercom com \( rhonda gaines \) subject '93 hyundai sonata opinions info wanted distribution usa organization fibercom , inc , roanoke , virginia lines 26 nntp posting host rtp 'd like hear stories experiences hyundai sonata know consumer reports trashed people know swear also n't problems consumer reports claims n't driven one yet driven '93 hyundai \( consumer reports also trashed \) impressed local hyundai dealership \( haggle policy \) offering w power moonroof also sonata base , w sunroof know preference sonata w sunroof 4 spd automatic 'll decide engine prefer test driving 4 cyl v6 sonata also offering 1500 rebate hmmm , 's another question following scenario appropriate manner handle negotiation \? 1 make offer 2 subtract rebate offer 3 talk trade 4 subtract trade offer get final price rhonda gaines , systems network administrator internet gaines fibercom com fibercom , inc , p box , uucp ! uunet ! fibercom ! gaines roanoke , va 1966 fax 703 342 phone 703 342 6700 800 423 1183
howard astro wisc edu \( greg howard \) subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? organization university wisconsin astronomy department lines 40 nntp posting host astro wisc edu article 1993apr26 200406 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes article senator bedfellow mit edu , jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) writes much energy burster put \? know energy depends distance , unknown answer form x ergs per 2 ok different spheres r \( oort cloud radius \) , r 22 5pc \( edge galaxy \) , r 183 5pc edge galactic corona , lastly r radius 25 pc , found l around 10 32 erg sec pretty energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy put 10 53 10 54 \( forget , 's order magnitude \) gamma rays , though 'd hafta get gammas 9 mpc , decent fraction sn output gammas could reasonably \( closer 9 mpc \) dunno sn theory well , ca n't think get many gammas maybe look big radio galaxies put 10 46 erg continually 's radio lot gammas around , , bursts \? nah neither taken explanations trying show energies produced things know greg
cs uct ac za \( gerhard van \) subject viewing jpeg files article cs organization computer science department , university cape town lines 36 1993apr28 ucbeh san uc edu ucbeh san uc edu writes view jpeg files without special hardware \? lucy wilson , access services librarian college engineering , university cincinnati yup jpeg viewers seem require specific video drivers since support specific video cards standard ibm bios video support vga 320x200 256 colour mode , leave cards hercules monochrome card \( way give good picture quality dithering works right \) ca n't remember name jpeg viewer since usually convert jpeg 's gif 's viewing require vesa driver video cards n't need special hardware view jpeg 's except perhaps vga card maybe 286 processor people days program 286 computers neglect rest 86 processors \( 8086 , 8088 \) 8088 clone \( nec processor \) hercules card , write programs view gif 's animations vga colour graphics boards monochrome hercules card use floyd steinberg found one something neat colour palette resulting dithered image gives much greater detail normally would viewed monochrome systems 8 50 fs dithering standard thing image palette dithering , way gives brighter detailed image anyway , enough rambling wrong direction final point , far know , n't need extra hardware view jpeg 's vga \( perhaps 286 better \) day ! gerry
hickson pop psu edu \( darryl hickson \) subject cordless telephone answering machine sale organization penn state population research institute lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host pop psu edu bought new phone answering machine combo really n't need present setup items great condition prices include shipping questions contact e mail call \( 814 \) 234 darryl toshiba cordless phone 40 rubber antenna , 10 number memory 6300 answering machine 35 remote operation \( message retrieval , reset , change \) toll saving feature single tape operation
magnus acs ohio state edu \( eric w \) subject exactly ibm made 486slc processor \? nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 11 could someone please tell 486slc processors ibm putting 700 's pc 's real 486 math coprocessor really kludge called 486 \? thanks , eric eric w der war ohio state university das nicht magnus acs ohio state edu peter schilling 120 grad 1983
andrewm bio uts edu au \( andrew mears \) subject sheep models cardiology organization university technology , sydney lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host iris bio uts edu au keywords sheep arrhythmias dear news readers , anyone using sheep models cardiac research , specifically concerned arrhythmias , pacing \? would like hear many thanks , andrew mears please email andrew mears h 61 2 crc cardiac technology , uts w 61 2 st , gore hill f 61 2 n w email andrewm iris bio uts edu au
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject kidney stones lines 68 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article 1993apr28 rose com , ron roth rose com \( ron roth \) writes banschbach vms ocom okstate edu \( marty banschbach \) writes b medicine , probalby never , practiced way b always use conventional wisdom good example b kidney stones conventional wisdom \( clinical trails b done come effective prevention \) , restricitng b intake calcium oxalates best way prevent kidney stones b forming clinical trials focused drugs ultrasonic blasts b breakdown stone formed recent new england j b medicine article , know conventional wisdom wrong , b increasing calcium intake better preventing stone formation b restricting calcium intake b marty b marty , personally would n't quick take nejm article kidney stones gospel first , would want know sponsored study seen many nutrition bulletins years local newspapers , magazines , tv guide , disclaimers bottom informing us great health news brought us compliments dairy industries course numerous interest groups thrive financially media hype created supposedly enormous benefits increasing one 's calcium intake secondly , kidney stones test subjects involved project analysed chemical composition \? study n't say , claimed kidney stones large ly calcium perhaps wo n't long another study comes exact opposite findings curious phenomenon researchers oftentimes plain wrong would n't first time sodium magnesium calcium phosphorus ratios , opinion , still reliable indicators cause , treatment , prevention kidney stones , one , continue recommend logical changes one 's diet supplementation counteract prevent kidney stones either type definitely wo n't include increase calcium stones identified calcium type people 's chemical analysis confirms would benefit phosphorus raising approach instead ! ron roth ron , absolutely right kidney stones calcium calcium stones calcium oxalate vast majority calcium oxalate calcium one piece puzzle cited nejm article way pointing physicians group conventional wisdom used medicine , always probably always one uses conventional wisdom , chance wrong long error going cause lot damage , 's big deal \( call physician gives anti fungals sinus suffers gi distress patients quack \? \) kidney stone problem 'd want mineral profile run clinical chemistry lab balance much important dietary intake calcium know use electrical conductance technique measure mineral balance body know n't think serum levels minerals useful \( agree \) get good nutritional assessment lab setup actually measure tissue reserve minerals , 'd like collaborative study see technique compares mine marty b
anna matyas am2x andrew cmu edu subject pens fans reactions organization h ss dean 's office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 41 1993apr22 sei cmu edu nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr22 sei cmu edu susan dart writes amongst fans seems inner calm 've never experienced year pens players fans much confidence team year 're every game saving energy stanley cup 's good way put 's quiet confidence n't feel like defend team anymore devils puzzle long one teams always dreaded playing n't quite used still usually play us pretty tough ca n't figure least last night mounted attack 2 watching devils players interviewed , could see faces eyes , really n't confidence left asked beat pens act though know 's hopeless task bernie nichols interviewed game 2 late news shaking head disbelief barrasso , saying tommy like another defenseman difficult playing got far away look face , voice started trailing said , n't right n't fair tried muster smile i'm really impressed bowman 's coaching tactics 's answer every move brooks thrown pens far coaching goes , pens islanders match pretty good one guy feel sorry far chris terreri i'm sure tom barrasso knows feels long tommy would look teammate sight terreri 's teammates really left cold first two games mom
erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu \( erini doss \) subject industry organization university illinois urbana lines 10 main locations \? name ac contact person \? thanks email erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject israeli media \( israeli terrorism \) nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 19 article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article 1993apr26 ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes jake call doctor brad ali hernlem \( last wednesday \) congratulations field \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president add congratulations well survive gauntlet , cheers tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
barring cs washington edu \( david barrington \) subject red sox choke contest organization computer science engineering , u washington , seattle lines 21 encourage great tradition red sox , contest predict magnitude fall current heights must decide first , whether sox 500 time year must predict either \( 1 \) record first time 're 500 , , \( 2 \) final record , stay 500 rest year valentine 's earlier prediction would go 13 13 \( resend serious , val ! \) espn pointed last night last sox start better 1952 , finished 76 78 , sixth place email guess , either barring cs washington edu directly replying post entries close 5 pm pdt wed 28 apr 1993 dave mb
long mcntsh enet dec com \( rich long \) subject good aps experience organization digital equipment corporation lines 28 thought would pass along experience aps recently ordered external quantum 240 salesperson friendly knowledgeable , order came promised , invoice price quoted installing drive simple n't even read manual scsi address set arrangement daisy chained drive syquest \( also aps \) booted problems i'm still going shareware comes drive 's pretty good assortment drive fan bit would like , think 'll ok speed seems good , although n't run objective tests also seems spin pretty quickly hit power switch , almost immediately power mac without problems booting drive observations case plastic \( good quality , though \) older syquest case metal one led , normally green , red drive accessed data point , rich richard c long long mcntsh enet dec com ludicrous speed ! ! go ! ! ! ! ! decwrl ! mcntsh enet dec com ! long dark helmet long mcntsh dec decwrl enet dec com
zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) subject seen lobby , us lines 12 organization curtin university technology distribution inet article transfer stratus com , cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes n't know , nearly forgotten generate paper mail e mail congress , would written many letters n't written one yet , turns writing paper complicated job , us hooked way cool internet ask postmaster e mail address printer \) paul
wayne r node hub org \( wayne dawe \) subject flexible solar cells organization r node public access unix 1 416 249 5366 lines 10 two three years ago saw report tv company developed method making solar cells flexible failing memory convinced flexible metal application requires flexible solar cell hoping someone netland knows something company similar product help would greatly appreciated wayne dawe \( pick path , path n't send wayne r node hub org anything bigger 15k \) wayne r node gts org wayne r node pci ca wayne r node uucp
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject question last thoughts israeli pilots kill distribution world lines 16 hal gnu ai mit edu , steel hal gnu ai mit edu \( nick steel \) wrote q israeli pilot bombing school children lebanon gets shot , crashes head first , 's last thing goes mind \( head \) \? butt hole count one original constructive contributions yet tpm , well worth took send thousands computers world c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
sasrer unx sas com \( rodney radford \) subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries concrete \? \) nntp posting host cinnamon unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 31 stephen inmos co uk \( stephen \) writes thing happens car \( citroen \) damp gets \( us hood \) shorts spark plugs earth wo n't start solution \( car \) clean plug leads spray wd 40 \( moisture repellant \) damp problem , storing well , topic , back days used drive bangers never found wd 40 anything wiping dry cloth think effectiveness wd 40 myth invented guy owns company back high school used work detailing company , one services offered engine cleaning \( remove oil sell car \) unfortunately , high pressure washer would use one several miles shop one occasion washing engine , would start water would gotten distributor \( would put plastic bag around try minimize \) , around spark plug wires , etc would nearly impossible try wipe areas dry rag usual solution carry wd 40 , car would n't start spray likely areas would start first time may myth , certainly kept stranded car wash rodney radford computer graphics imaging sasrer unx sas com sas institute , inc \( 919 \) 677 8000 cary , nc 27513
rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) subject doctrine original sin reply rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) lines 40 article may 10 05 07 56 1993 athos rutgers edu , wkuvx1 bitnet writes therefore , someone capable comprehending god 's laws accountable living book life removed make conscious decision disobey god idler babies supposed baptised n't bible ever say never comes right says people know right wrong taught baptised christ say assure , one enter god 's kingdom without born water spirit surprised tell must begotten could everyone born original sin \? mike attach meaning israelites entering promised land christianity \? submit god hold children responsible adults chose follow bad report 10 spies joshua caleb recorded us deuteronomy 1 39 moreover little ones , ye said prey , children , day knowledge good evil , shall go , unto give , shall possess least seems age , point maturity held responsible , could enter promised land , younger ones held rules , least god answer fool according folly , lest thou also like unto answer fool according folly , lest wise conceit \( proverbs 26 4 5 \)
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject arlen specter 's address \? organization stephen f austin state university lines 18 article 1993apr22 icd ab com , kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes anybody got arlen spectre 's address \? want write thank showing leadership demand congressional investigation waco mess ken talking man federal attorney much frustrate proper investigation jfk assassination house sub committee assassinations fox hen house \? \? \? joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject springfield indians ahl office organization clarkson university lines 32 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 something crossposted ahl mailing list discussion chris , subject springfield 's 1st round upset providence bruins came chris basically raised possibility ahl hierarchy biased favor indians noted offices league spring many ex indians working ahl furthermore , also informed back years ago cup finals spring , charged office little questionable things ahl president staff attending games springfield brass , including sitting box game springfield , according rochester media , openly cheering springfield certainly something quite serious true n't know anything whining part \( pulled sort crap wings \) true , somthing seriously raises questions president jack 's leadership btw posted permission chris bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
subject merlin , mithras magick a54si cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 41 article ss 113 apmaths uwo ca , ss apmaths uwo ca \( sultan \) says article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff mithras deleted oh , b day 25 dec ahem thought celebrated romans time mithras connected \? rome attack , sent advice oracle , said worship cybele 'll saved , cybele quintessential goddess , son lover , attis yucky idea ask ok book says , society \( turkey \) worshipped 1st black stone \( mecca ring bell maybe \? \? \? \? \) carried rome save hannibal gets interesting romans called great mother \( magna mater \) , could reason many mary statues europe black , prob connected 've got mecca , 3rd cent ad supreme goddess lyons , france attis formed pine tree worshiped 25 mar rome ecstatic cult , priests wore drag , worked dance order initiate , lived lives women wore make jewelry whole bit wow primitive know goes india \( else \? \) thing meditation maybe , forget 's book \) course , weird russian romanian 18th cent xian cult kinds self , forget name charles hope a54si cunyvm a54si cunyvm cuny edu government reporters media
jmilhoan magnus acs ohio state edu \( jt \) subject duo price reduction \? nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 16 article senator bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) writes someone mentioned ago duos scheduled 10 18 price reduction , according 'newsbytes' definite \? anyone know take effect \? 'newsbytes' \? thanks already happened far know got email three weeks ago saying coming , sure enough , week duos dropped price think duo 210 4 80 around us 1 , educational prices dropped , imagine others well , n't really checked around since boycott local reasons extend past 13 years jt
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction lines 68 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article bgm hsdndev harvard edu , rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article 1993apr26 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes oxygen \( like vagina \) much stuff lay press l acidophilus vaginal yeast infections , i'm really amazed someone done clinical trial yet check 've mentioned study couple times ingestion yogurt containing lactobacillus acidophilus prophylaxis candidal , annals internal medicine , 3 1 92 116 \( 5 \) 353 7 problem study used yogurt rather capsules lactobacillus \( even though positive results \) \? study crossover trial daily ingestion 8 ounces yogurt marked decrease infections women ingesting yogurt problems study included small numbers \( 33 patients enrolled \) many protocol violations \( 21 patients analyzed \) still , difference rates infection two groups large study remains fairly believable david rind david , study looks like good one gordon rubenfeld medline search also sent reference e mail since commercial yogurt always good lactobacillus culture , negative finding would informative often reason lactobacillus acidophilus tablets recommended rather yogurt guess next question would introduction good bacteria back gut decrease incidence vaginal candida blooms anus serving candida reservoir \( fact gordon r \) \? see two possible theories one , l acidophilus , bacterium , could make gut rectal area candida would explain candida blooms vagina yogurt ingestion stopped though additional bacteria intestinal tract remove glucose feces candida 's major food source getting lactobacillus acidophilus vaginal tract \( normally found \) would much better effect vaginal yeast blooms though acid , lactobacillus acidophilus used get effect 've seen treatment reported medical literature would example physicians conducting clinical trials try come treatments help patients done private practice , results rarely , ever published hallmark medicine modern age emerged clinical trials really raises big question medical profession cast try new treatments help patients look way particular issue really simple one since real dangerous therapy involved \( even anti fungals dangerous \) areas \( like edta chelation therapy \) , fire pretty hot somebody could get burned 's really tough follow well established protocols give n't work well try something looks like work n't proven work yet \? stand consider treatment possibilities , especially involve little risk patient getting good bacteria back gut antibiotic treatment one treatment possibility getting l acidophilus vaginal tract woman problem recurring yeast infections marty b
butts ee twsu edu \( ronald w butts super acct \) subject need find numb organization electrical engr dept , wichita state univ x posted ces 3 ee twsu edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 35 article 442 uupcb ozonehole com gerald belton ozonehole com \( gerald belton \) writes subject need find numb date 20 apr 93 12 18 00 gmt al number call return synthesized al voice telling number line unfortunately , al life ca n't remember telephone technicians al use time used play around al dorm rooms since multiple phone lines running al rooms probably would n't help post number , since appears different area 's worth , new orleans area number 998 877 6655 \( easy remember , \? \) slmr 2 1 ask anything n't know , 'll make something city , dialing either 940 \( newer exchanges \) 940 sic get synthesized message works great people call back pay phones regards , bill ronald w \( bill \) butts , jr gentlemen ! gentlemen ! electrical engineering department ca n't fight wichita state university war room ! butts ee twsu edu
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject clipper conference calls lines 20 article netnews upenn edu , feeley cattell psych upenn edu \( wm michael feeley \) writes curious , would clipper chip system handle conference calls \? 's clipper , 's encryption system 've seen number designs generally involve multi line cleartext bridge line cleartext bridge \? would put bridge \? n't one location , forget encryption blown security thought might jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
claude banana fedex com \( claude bowie \) subject vitamin hearing loss keywords hearing loss vitamin article banana 1993apr30 distribution sci organization federal express corp lines 11 heard news report indicating research showing improved hearing people taking vitamin research showed new growth replaced damaged nerves anyone heard \? thanks , claude claude bowie voice \( 901 \) 797 federal express corp fax \( 901 \) 797 box 727 , memphis , tn email claude banana fedex com
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject islamic authority women organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 18 kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) pontificated q many moslem men take rape woman \? five , one commit act , four witness penetration guilty verdict rendered confession least two male witnesses crime adultery rape proved four witnesses seen actual penetration , occurrence presumably happen often quran \( however 's spelled \) \? \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) times nations , priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject uva organization artificial intelligence lab lines 5 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply ab4z virginia edu 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 20 42 04 gmt things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools knew andi beyer fraternity
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject bush 's wi reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 16 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , garrett ingres com \( grep friend \) says article usenet ins cwru edu , an030 cleveland freenet edu \( b writes went post office friday , got passport apps savings already converted bye gosh mean i'm invited next white house barbecue \? real difference , garrett , knew time leave l \)
marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) subject choice gauges organization purdue university distribution usa lines 34 article vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com \( dave gauge \) writes free reign design instrument cluster , gauges would choose beyond basic set \? consider basic set tach must coolant temp \( cylinder head temp air cooled engines \) must oil pressure must amps 've seen amps volts , would go volts speedo must ask \? fuel would like know much gas course gauge dose n't tell could see one favor warning light say , others nice volts \( maybe basic set \) vacuum boost ! would vacuum gauge dash ! travis disclamer ideas expressed fact employer , since none \) e mail , flame , marshatt feserve cc purdue edu
subject old 256k simms \? vmsb csupomona edu \( \) distribution world organization california state polytechnic university , pomona nntp posting host vmsb csupomona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 14 article rave larc nasa gov , kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) writes article ulowell ulowell edu wex cs ulowell edu writes article 1993apr15 csx cciw ca , u009 csx cciw ca \( g stewart beal \) writes wondering people good uses old 256k simms bunch apple mac know lots people tried sell gotten interest well , 're willing spend little money , could buy one ide caching controllers \( assuming ide course \) put 256k simms hardware cache !
jtrascap nyx cs du edu \( jim trascapoulos \) subject denver post classifieds assault weapons organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 51 boulder colorado edu \( eric e snyder \) writes came across following notice denver post classified morning \( april 26 , 1993 \) begin quote notice denver post longer knowingly accept advertisement buy sell assault weapons denver post finds use assault weapons poses threat health , safety , security reader end quote suppose post within rights refuse ads however second sentence noxious , feel compelled bring attention p g c g readership called post classified number \( 825 \) expressed according supervisor spoke , post reacting public complaints regarding running assult weapon ads however , paper keeping track reaction change policy strongly encourage denver post readers call make feelings k eric e snyder department mcd biology making feet childrens' sho university colorado , boulder boulder , colorado ! appreciate post intermediary sales right bear arms one rights constitution , assault weapons go way beyond , rather \( imho \) , natural right america ask family boy shot back september papers full stories child assult weapon angelic face \( post \) committed murder without ever thinking got get control applaud post jim trascapoulos jtrascap nyx cs du edu , size id wear \?
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject looking movies w bikes nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 19 article 1993apr21 virginia edu virginia edu \( christopher douglas \) writes 's also billy jack , wild one , bandit \( jerry reed runs truck motorcycle gangs bikes \) , video tape documentary hell 's angels found rental store n't forget robert blake glide blue \( else get see full dress harley playing dirt bikes \? \) 're going count bandit , darn well better include pee wee 's big adventure jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject clinton remarks president waco w q 4 20 93 organization university toronto chemistry department lines 37 article life ai mit edu clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) writes white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 remarks president question answer session press 1 36 p edt president february 28th , four federal agents killed line duty trying enforce law branch davidian compound , illegally stockpiled weaponry ammunition , placed innocent children risk batf operation failed meet objective , 51 day standoff ensued federal bureau investigation made every reasonable effort bring perilous situation end without bloodshed loss life bureau 's efforts ultimately individual dealing , david koresh , dangerous , irrational , probably insane stacy koon lawrence powell defense ! decisions janet reno bill clinton affair essentially moral equivalents stacy koon 's reno clinton advantage investigate gerald
thomsonal cpva saic com subject drag free satellites organization science applications int'l corp san diego lines 33 sat , 1 may 1993 23 13 39 gmt , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) said dragless satellite magically drag burns fuel constantly fight drag , maintaining exact orbit would drag well , almost turns clever orbital mechanics engineer things resonant interactions higher order harmonics earth 's gravitational field pump energy satellite , keep experiencing drag effects periods months years favorite example soviet russian heavy satellites cosmos 1603 class , 14 1 resonance particular , undergone two periods prolonged gain altitude , current one started june 1991 mean altitude satellite high ever since launch 18 march 1987 \( looking elements also shows limitations norad 's software 's another story \) probably little relevance space stations , since 71 degree orbits satellites 850 km , far inner van allen belt manned platforms 's kind interesting point view physics situation \( orbital elements satellites available request \) allen thomson saic mclean , va opinion \? , 's mine , saic 's
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject clipper conference calls reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 25 curious , would clipper chip system handle conference calls \? depending encryption system , long everyone key , done example , using vat , internet audio tool , conference call , encrypting session \( unfortunately , one site work , n't cpu , n't sound good different site \) would use something black box words , n't think public key would work session key would agreed upon prior conversation distributed sites beforehand go get stu iii \) doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207 opinions reflect motorola thinking way , shape , form
gb nrao edu \( edmond l \) subject fitting straight line \( curve \) data points organization national radio astronomy observatory lines 17 article land vf ge com \( andrew ward \) writes looking graphing program fit data straight line program estimates closest fit curve gives statistics would helpful many spreadsheets regression analysis topic also well covered undergraduate statistic books cubic splines usually well covered undergraduate computer science numerical analysis text sure ge mm well stocked library never used mathematica , would surprised could spline edmond l programmer , virtual guy , aardvark bigger anon hack hire
colby bu bio bu edu \( chris colby \) subject another assertion macroevolution organization animal lines 22 article 1993apr21 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) writes macroevolution observed action chris colby 's example \( \) \( due respect chris \) plant example gave macroevolution put another way , incredibly huge number events necessary bring non life homo sapiens many directly observed \? special creation observed action bill rawlin 's assertions man created present form count creation put another way , incredible amount species planet many species directly observed created god gods \? bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com chris colby email colby bu bio bu edu 'my boy , ' said , 'you descended long line determined , , microscopic champions every one ' kurt vonnegut galapagos
bjones llnl gov \( bob jones \) subject considering orchid vlb , seeking comments organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host bjones llnl gov summary none keywords orchid serious purchase 486dx 33 uses orchid vlb mother board , system also vlb ide fahrenheit video board n't seen heard bad comments board ! anyone comments good bad board \? considering board primarily orchid 's reputation long standing field thanks comments bob jones
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject hockey guest spots organization university pittsburgh lines 15 sclark epas utoronto ca \( susan clark \) writes i'm looking answer bit trivia appeared major talk shows tv examples deleted i'm pretty sure 've seen gretzky lemieux , wondering others michael j fox letterman year ago \( two \) playoffs hockey player bruins 's exactly mention bruins wanted break ulfie 's legs \( something like \) response neely incident quite amusing , one letterman viewers actually knew talking anybody know pens hockey player \? michael douglas \( aka michael \) \? joseph stiehm
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject christian meta ethics organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 106 distribution na nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu summary response dave davis wrote say interpretation twisted \? many passages bible straightforward reading show christian god behaving way article cass ma02 bull com ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) writes requires assumption interpretations equally valid , way reasonably distinguishing among would n't make assumption n't think reasonable assumption follows fact choice interpretation stems mix beliefs influenced secular ethics culture fully determined scripture whether right interpretation matters christians claim ability read mind god dave davis note michael first stated importance secular cultural influence thread think michael right , regardless , noted point contention michael argued beyond michael 's claims christian scriptures open many interpretations including wide divergence within christian tradition even important themes vague , matter right interpretation unless way determine right interpretation lack objective measure , presumed lack answer , puts force behind line argue michael , , others , read 'the christian glasses among things imply nt informs ot , even point points ot \( ceremonial dietary laws \) explicitly nt texts enough christian glasses , varying sufficiently broad range color , find support example , michael , conservative christians also take gospel seriously differentiates way interpret gospel russell turpin 's 'no' misplaced , say inappropriate michael 's self description must govern equation radical liberal , seems implied russell turpin wrong opinion , makes michael radical fully acknowledges christian scripture tradition fail determine doctrines many branches within christianity hold dear willing live practice religion within , willing acknowledge much understanding things christian influenced ideas purely christian christians called conservative must also interpret , recognize least , unwilling admit extent importance russell turpin \( earlier post \) said michael \( michael 's theological positions , actually \) n't tell much christianity dean responds \( time gently \) 'what mean \? ' direct , perhaps , would 'what could possibly mean \? ' implied rhetorical effort , separate michael tradition , failure michael tradition idea tradition n't include , change idea tradition ! recognize michael part tradition tell one tradition covering origen , aquinas , jerry , jesse jackson also includes michael siemon \? much ! short , extra christian principles make michael 's christianity beneficial , suspect would beneficial , perhaps , without filtered christian interpretation conclusion follow , even short , argument goes surprising logical think conclusion follow purely christian principles michael ones shares others christian tradition derived christian scripture , necessarily vague , enough drive political stances one love one 's neighbor purely christian principle means showing tolerance homosexuality political stances , often odds commonly held current christendom , suspect could better pressed outside \( hand , well understand , political stances become influential presented need \) theological statement worthy dr turpin \( dd \) may wear black robe geneva yet ! \) barely survived effort finish computer science , doubt attempt difficult field time soon ! russell
csd4 csd uwm edu \( chu peng cheong \) subject 16 pg min laser printer sale organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator csd4 csd uwm edu lazer printer , min lazer printer suppose printer 16 pg min never set use expect bigger , i' , wrong used company sale 350 shipping reply interested obo email csd4 csd uwm edu phone leave message 414 332
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject gulf war peace niks organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 17 article 1993apr20 882 batman bmd trw com jbrown batman bmd trw com writes hawaii \? liberated spain well , going well hit one hawaii independent country coup americans led request annex us refused , eventually annex several years later spanish american war first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
jek cu nih gov subject paul 's thorn side lines 49 joe moore writes paul repeatedly talks thorn side think refers lust , others pride , knows \? whatever thorn , apparently compatible christianity , yet make epistles less \? paul mentions thorn \( , actually sharp stake \) 2 corinthians 12 7 9 keep abundance revelations , thorn given flesh , messenger satan , harass , keep three times lord , leave said , grace sufficient , power made weakness explain , need moral problem one guess paul disorder eyes ordinarily dictated letters , added personal note signature end letter galatians , says , see , writing large letters hand , else , see long letter written hand former translation adopted , seems paul could write small script practiced writer , needed make letters larger , suggests eye problems , says galatians \( 4 13 15 \) , know bodily ailment preached gospel first although condition trial , scorn despise , received angel god bear witness , possible , would eyes given perhaps last line means simply , would done anything , withholding precious possessions \( eyes \) case , would expect wording like , needed possible sounds though bodily ailment connected eyes william barclay , volume acts , makes specific suggestion paul preached , preaching coastal areas asia minor malarial attack , doctor would advised leave low country head hills malaria might well given severe headaches blurred vision , james kiefer
lynch hpcc01 corp hp com \( howard lynch \) subject let 's play name game ! organization hp corporate notes server lines 5 san francisco quakes way , quakes nickname padres affiliate california league quakes !
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun talk state legislative update keywords gun talk organization computer science department , stanford university distribution usa lines 17 article lairdb crash cts com lairdb crash cts com \( laird p broadfield \) writes cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes william douglas noted , powerful sponsor lacking , individual liberty spite glowing opinions resounding constitutional phrases excellent quote looked 'c' nra given us \? one might well ask ca gun owners given nra national nra n't march get things passed provide convenient label local activities activists andy
paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) subject best times , worst times nntp posting host harley tti com organization black belt motorcyclists association lines 20 article gap caltech edu ridgway cco caltech edu \( alex ridgway \) writes paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) writes problem turned screw inside mikuni carb keep hearing one keep screws tight bike , never thought screws inside carb least roadside fixable way hardly time gee , always figured loose screws rider likely cause problems check time \? true however , screws loose rider quite time , taken account russian fun 5 6 times paul blumstein , paulb harley tti com , dod 36 , abate , ama , hog , doh 2 kd6laa , marc , arrl , platypus 240 , qrp arpci , naswa , lwca , rcma \( cala905 \) transaction technology , inc , santa monica , ca
blakey ug cs dal ca \( jason fish blakey \) subject oops , probably specific nntp posting host ug cs dal ca organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada lines 15 's system desc 4 megs main board , 1 accelerator board mac plus , recent roms \( \) trying run system 6 , would like run 7 hard drive jasmine , works fine start accelerator disabled also seem get problem try start floppy hard drive disconnected , get disk loading , screen black , except happy mac middle , never gets anywhere jason blakey ug cs dal ca 's big ! 's purple ! 's best friend !
phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) subject nhl team captains organization columbia university center telecommunications research x posted startide ctr columbia edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 18 article 664 uupcb freddy ersys edmonton ab ca steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) writes quoting cire trehguad cyt michael collingridge writes , subject , captain ever traded , resigned , striped title season \? team captain trivia would appreciated kelly kisio captain rangers left san jose ali ali procrastination lemer real green conjunction junction , columbia university \( nyc \) dress , 's cruel 's function \? phoenix ctr columbia edu ladies rock kind animals hug hockey player !
kaleb expo lcs mit edu \( kaleb keithley \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization x consortium , mit laboratory computer science lines 19 bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) writes yes n't confuse mouse cursor text cursor xterms latter controlled application back days x11 1 analyse xterm code cursor implemented drawing rectangle around character n't seem changed 'til sources could add blinking cursor via xtappaddtimeout similar xt \( app \) n't work xterm , , despite appearances contrary , xterm really xt based application sources like timeouts inputs never checked xterm 's main loop n't surprised try n't work kaleb
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject jewish history question organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' 1993apr10 csi uottawa ca netcom com lines 70 article netcom com cocoa netcom com writes article 1993apr10 csi uottawa ca csi uottawa ca \( mark israel \) writes article 43y netcom com , cocoa netcom com \( little 'e' \) writes deleted tis someone told old testament books translated greek long time ago yes , 's famous version called septuagint translation made greek jews originals destroyed fire soon afterward n't know 're referring temple destroyed , manuscripts may lost , think extant hebrew manuscripts good greek ones n't know originals person telling septuagint version said greeks wonderful library alexandria full manuscripts scrolls burned soon septuagint version translated \( perhaps conceal changes different versions , perhaps part typical burning valuable things occurs changes power groups , dunno \) library alexandria perhaps greatest library ever built world greeks love wisdom , philo , great love reflected alexandrian library christians got hold began modifying purging texts moslems invaded either christians burned library keep falling moslems hands \( far likely since book , moslems \) , burned sack city moslems burned either way , tremendous amount information lost destruction library alexandria probably one greatest crimes man man , wondering , since imagine jewish people somewhere must copies earlier hebrew versions , hebrew version old testament different greek derived version \? famous discrepancies \( isaiah 's prophecy young woman changed virgin , new testament writers read \) , many actually , hebrew , \( young woman \) , translated hellenistic greek may may correctly translated modern technical english term virgin jews type virginity cult greco romans diana well , perhaps answer deleted go jewish bookstore , 'll get bible translated jews , differences interpretation , text 're translating basically standard text used christians jews masoretic text jews course use text original hebrew , without translation want read original , buy bible contains hebrew old testament greek new testament , english translation written underneath word want bible possibly original basic text , try find samaritan bible \( good luck ! 've never seen one \) samaritans \( , good samaritans \) version 5 books moses claim jewish bible altered ezra propaganda thanks tips find someone teach samaritan \) , little 'e' \( , good samaritan hard find \? hard oh , finish
apple com \( michael \) subject 300 series , vw passat organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , california lines 39 nntp posting host apple com erasure sl cc emory edu \( jeremy \) writes new 300 series mercedes benz wagon particularly , would like hear power \( manual \) comparisons saab 9000 line mercedes would helpful manual transmission must , b running cannot get manual transmission car north america seems buyers \( , maybe accurately , distributors \) interested manual trannies '93 300 line comes 217 hp engine earlier years 177 hp '87 300e , mere 177 hp auto tranny , find sufficient power normal driving situation always nice , ca n't complain test drove saab 900 cse last fall impressions 1 \) awesome power , especially , turbo really comes 2 \) get power really hard tight corner , front wheel drive causes understeer heavily , hook corner desirable handling trait , common powerful front drive cars \( cse mercedes rear drive , problem \) 3 \) huge interior cargo space 4 \) shifter ever encountered drove 5spd absolutely numb might able get used n't know also n't like location , far , far right shifter 's position , got impression saab really designed car automatic 5 \) rather noisy engine buzz , rattles , \( mercedes exhibit characteristics \) also check new bmw 525 touring wagon version fits class saabs michael apple com
johnt meaddata com \( john townsend \) subject clinton wants national id card , aka ussr style internal passport organization mead data central , dayton oh lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host jordan meaddata com article mimsy umd edu , tms cs umd edu \( tom swiss \( swift , , swiss ! \) \) writes johnston cyberia win net \( robert johnston \) writes 'bout embed everyones skull \? ca n't lose without already dead \( ergo , need treatment \) close , birth implant smart chip behind ear skin skull hypo high carbon content glass chip would reprogrammed age pertinent medical , correctional , data behave 'll input permenant record forgot part small shaped charge anyone tries tamper , explodes kills oh , shaped charge set remote control get line properly patriotic citizens nothing fear 's , shaped charge automatically detonate thirty years , la logan 's run , order maintain population control john townsend reduce , reuse engineering modeling mead data central reuse , ! uunet ! meaddata ! johnt pike recycle johnt meaddata com , oh software ! \( 513 \) 865
sfb2763 mvs draper com \( eileen bauer \) subject thyroidal deficiency nntp posting host mvs draper com organization draper laboratory lines 49 article 1993apr30 cc ic ac uk , ps ic ac uk \( erik viking \) writes hi wife aquired thyroidal \( sp \? \) deficiency past year gives symptoms needing much sleep , coldness gaining weight doctor taken ordinary \( \? \) tests values regarded low doctor \( wife \) interested starting medication gland , giving life long dependency drug \( hormone \? \) questions anyone heard success using approach \? values \( slowly \) steadily sinking , comment probability improvement \? although doctor told , wife vigorously keep weight feels part keeping edge illness condition , may affect treatment , development \? several different types thyroid diseases would cause condition \( reduction output thyroid , mainly thyroxin \) except ones caused infections , treatment generally thyroxin pills conditions caused infections usually disappear infection n't sound like case wife thyroxin orally shut thyroid feedback loop involving pituitary \( believe \) pituitary thinks correct amount thyroxin produced n't tell thyroid produce process reversable ! 's \( autoimmune condition \) thyroxin approx 6 mo endocrinologist suggested take pills 6 thyroxin levels , normal still get tested every condition might pills safe side affects \( mostly beginning treatment \) baby might problem would least require closer monitoring hormone levels thyroxin controls energy production explains , coldness , weight gain also water retention \( possibly around heart \) , changes vision , hair skin among things doctor , i'm sure something , important thing thyroid problems usually easily corrected n't corrected cause problems rest body get second opinion good endocrinologist explain things detail wife eileen bauer
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject escrow database organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 34 david sternlight \( strnlght netcom com \) wrote article 1993apr22 news eng convex com gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) writes elided preserve sanity n't point point implied position waco massacre assertion cum political position according cnn poll , call big brother chip right proposal discussion , yet clear strong crypto going banned set record straight , steve gardner author bit quoted steve took issue david 's characterization words pernicious nonsense wo n't comment views folks either support 'em n't , lines question neither central points making original post important debate sci crypt elsewhere tim may , continues hold views n't feel like debating politics timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject wc 93 results , april 25 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 139 1993 world championships germany group results sweden switzerland 4 6 \( 0 3 , 3 1 , 1 2 \) 1st swi 0 1 1 3 21 swi 0 2 patrick howald 1 11 37 swi 0 3 patrick howald 2 \( sven \) 16 00 2nd swe 1 3 peter andersson 1 \( michael nylander \) 2 47 \( pp \) swi 1 4 roman 1 \( martin , sven \) 8 53 \( pp \) swe 2 4 jonas bergqvist 3 \( markus naslund \) 9 08 swe 3 4 jan larsson 1 \( patrik juhlin \) 18 50 3rd swe 4 4 mikael renberg 2 \( thomas rundqvist , peter andersson \) 7 49 swi 4 5 roman 2 9 07 swi 4 6 felix 1 \( sven , thomas \) 11 29 shots goal penalties attendance referee sweden 5 20 18 43 4 2min 6 , 000 rob hearn , usa switzerland 10 6 7 23 5 2min switzerland beat sweden wc first time since 1950 , swiss small chance reaching quarterfinals \( austria beats italy tonight \) swiss took lead hakan ahlund made incredibly stupid drop pass blue line , came alone soderstrom beat tommy stick side swedes continued make mistakes howald allowed skate swedish put puck past tommy make 0 2 0 3 nice one , howald entered swedish zone , slammed breaks , shot went tommy 's far post one periods 've seen sweden play year second period saw new swedish team , swiss ice puck many times pp , nylander skated boards , made initial save , peter andersson scored rebound power play goal swiss , slap shot blue line hit two players way goal past soderstrom also jonas bergqvist made 2 4 nice pass naslund behind goal jan larsson reduced lead 3 4 end 2nd period , pp skated front goal , put puck 's 5 hole third period , sweden slap shot renberg 's 5 hole , another defensive mistake swedes , allowed skate around swedish goal close range could make 4 5 scored 4 6 2 1 break away , put top shelf chance soderstrom switzerland goaltender 20 \( 28 \) defense 26 rick , 2 martin 16 sven , 5 martin 7 , 17 patrick sutter 31 samuel balmer forwards 22 alfred , 11 felix , 25 roman 23 gil , 12 roberto , 10 patrick howald 35 christian weber , 18 andreas ton , 24 joerg 15 bruno , 13 thomas , 29 russia canada 1 3 \( 0 2 , 1 1 , 0 0 \) 1st 0 1 kevin dineen 1 \( garry galley \) 4 28 0 2 paul kariya 2 \( eric lindros \) 12 20 \( pp \) 2nd 0 3 eric lindros 10 \( paul kariya , shayne corson \) 9 40 rus 1 3 valeri 2 \( \? \) 16 24 3rd penalties rus 2 2min 1 , 5 2min referee anton , czech republic attendance 8 , 600 russia probably made best game , yet n't enough win effective canadians galley took slap shot found dineen far post , dineen deflected puck past trefilov russian goal power play goal , couple eric lindros found kariya alone far post , kariya put puck high sliding trefilov russia shots first period 12 5 , scoring opportunities , could n't score second period saw lindros scoring 10th \( ! ! \) goal wc kariya entered russian zone , slammed break get past defenseman , made nice pass corson got stick puck deflect lindros one timed puck russians finally got goal , broke side made slap shot tugnutt 's top right hand corner player game canada voted paul kariya , russia valeri agree , difference game lindros kariya , part also tugnutt kariya far better game vs swedes , impressive kariya got place line lindros mike gartner went rib injury early first period lindros , btw , lead point scoring 14 pts \( 9 5 \) game , 7 pts ahead next player ! e double much next player \( among kariya 1 6 \) amazing ! group b results finland czech republic 1 3 \( 0 0 , 1 1 , 0 2 \) 1st 2nd cze 0 1 petr hrbek 2 11 04 fin 1 1 mika 1 17 51 3rd cze 1 2 jiri dolezal 3 5 04 cze 1 3 martin 2 19 45 \( en \) penalties fin 8 2min , cze 9 2min referee vincent , switzerland attendance 4 , 300 germany usa 6 3 \( 5 0 , 0 0 , 1 3 \) 1st ger 1 0 2 7 12 ger 2 0 3 11 16 ger 3 0 ernst 3 11 55 ger 4 0 michael 3 16 06 ger 5 0 benoit 1 18 45 2nd 3rd usa 5 1 derek plante 1 4 06 ger 6 1 dieter 5 6 57 usa 6 2 craig johnson 1 7 30 usa 6 3 rob gaudreau 3 13 07 penalties ger 7 2min , usa 10 2min referee valeri , russia attendance 11 , 000 \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization lines 10 like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry mohamed
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject freedom u distribution world lines 47 1993apr25 virginia edu , ab4z virginia edu \( \) \( andi beyer \) wrote jaa12 cunixa cc columbia edu writes dear mr beyer never wise confuse freedom speech freedom racism violent deragatory unfortunate many fail understand crucial distinction fact , speach offensive , protection freedom speach laws would useless speach find questionable must protected , religiously blasphemous inherently racist civilized discourse scare tactics one enlighten one perceives ignorant idea behind freedom expression find offensive might perceived truth might find offensive might belief free exchange ideas \( insults case seems channel \) one change another 's erring ways jefferson said afraid tolerate error long reason left combat mean wade mutlu argic deluge comes every day \? us tired dragged content free pissing contests bigots intensely dislike stuck letting crap pass without comment though replying getting sucked let 's keep perspective imho , josh 's policy forwarding garbage question , without comment , relevant sysadmin strikes good balance stuff , , published public forum site , yet hardly matter confidentiality copyright local administration wants something , right , nobody 's twisting arms c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
cleveland freenet edu \( david fung \) subject want macweek organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 2 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu call macuser magazine number , guess give info !
douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) subject lc ii slowdowns \? organization tfsquad public access usenet , st paul mn \( 1 612 291 \) lines 24 currently managing , among many labs , lab three lc iis , mac plus 45 mb external hd , laserwriter ii ntx problem \? lc iis seem intermittently slow snail 's pace lc iis 4 mb ram , 256k vram , quantum hd installed reformatted drive hard disk toolkit 1 3 , gives respectable 2 9 overall rating drive , 's drive reinstalled system 7 1 , ms word 5 1a , ms works 3 0 , , master disks short , done everything think software hardware hacker , though pop cases fairly often nothing works problem intermittent unpredictable mouse always moves smoothly , floppies always run speed , occasionally , 1 2 hours time , machine run like running 4 mhz 68000 , 16 mhz 68030 frustrating makes nearly unusable seem worsen increasing disk activity anyone encountered problem \? anyone got ideas \? would much appreciated andrew geweke douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) firing squad bbs , public access usenet mail news 1 612 291 saint paul , minnesota
organization queen 's university kingston andy qucdn queensu ca subject cbc canadian espn lines 37 article cs dal ca , reiniger ug cs dal ca \( darren reiniger \) says 'd like echo sentiments worst coverage ever remember seeing cbc soon game ends , count 30 , time , 've signed air post game interviews , updating late scores , nothin' tsn really putting cbc shame hope later round coverage improves , mean , really wants see cbc news instead hockey 02 , darren concession cbc news , argued 're going play havoc schedule , least make sure prime time aired soon possible news got commitment post game show would scrapped network would go within one minute game ending earlier comments cbc frankly doubleheader goes ways , people west cant see leafs people central canada ca n't see jets game reason decision cbc 's feeling could n't sell advertising six hours hockey one night wants see news hockey , lot people cbc always gets plenty complaints juggling news schedule darren reiniger reiniger ug cs dal ca arishem ac dal ca centre marine geology , dalhousie university , halifax , n , canada people wonder generation going remind came first place
ballou ai mit edu \( kenneth robert ballou \) subject cpu temperature vs cpu activity \? organization oberon software , inc lines 28 nntp posting host ai mit edu article 1993apr21 709 nessie mcc ac uk victor comms ee man ac uk \( victor buttigieg \) writes lino montuno \( montuno physics su oz au \) wrote may naive question basis claim cpu get hotter computationally intensive job running \? totally agree friend , since cpu apparently idle still fact away millions instructions per second \( checking keyboard input instance \) exception cpu 's used laptops , cpu enter idle state preserving current status absolutely nothing case needs hardware interrupt get going actually , family halt instruction causes cpu cease processing instructions cpu resumes processing either reset receiving external \( hardware \) interrupt different power management facilities victor mentions course , whether operating system 's idle loop uses halt instruction another matter entirely kenneth r ballou voice \( 617 \) 494 oberon software , inc fax \( 617 \) 494 one memorial drive , cambridge , 02142 internet ballou oberon com views opinions expressed necessarily reflect employer
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject need clipper cheap security \? organization partnership america free drug lines 25 pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) writes fast fastest modems go \? shannon limit voice lines likely somewhere around rapidly approaching fastest affordable full duplex modems currently market v32bis , far voice compressed \? celp manages sound decent 4800 bps theory , built speech recognition system turned voice ascii , perfect synthesis system end sounded like person speaking , could get information content speech various kinds , get 2400 bps prehaps even less , point sounds horrible 4800 bps purposes perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
tds att com \( tony \) subject audio cds \? reply tds att com \( tony \) organization bell laboratories reply steve b access digex net 's message 30 apr 1993 21 16 29 0400 nntp posting host ho att com lines 19 30 apr 1993 21 16 29 0400 , steve b access digex net \( steve brinich \) said steve hmmm given error corrections modern audio cds , steve sufficient simply instruct agent decrypt using steve bit stream second cut latest garth brooks steve cd , usual number bit errors found acceptable steve commercial cds error correction enough steve message method used \? one unreliable data point looking shoulder recording engineer , decided seeing raw error rate 1 cd '' mass market cds state mind arithmetic \( waiting finish could go get something eat \) questionable tony room performance analysis department 101 corner road bell laboratories holmdel , nj
strider clotho acm rpi edu \( greg moore \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days keywords hst nntp posting host acm rpi edu organization voice fate lines 21 article access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes guess bother usingthe shuttle reboost \? grapple , said fixes , bolt small liquid fueled thruster module hst , let make boost cheaper mass usingthe shuttle tug way , going need least 5 spacewalks , carry edo pallet , sit station even maybe solar array tilt motor fix pointed , develop thruster also , much lighter , still lift mass thruster orbit , thruster lifts weight higher orbit take room payload bay pat
stud \( ann \) subject got saved organization college lines 11 hello , \? ! i'm norwegian journalist student also christian thanks testimony ! want ask one question think heavy metal music became christian \? know christian bands like barren cross , , , play kind music like , feel like sometimes course listen lyrics n't listen christian band , 's better listening secular music anyway hope 're still going strong christ ! ! ann , college , norway
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 21 michael siemon writes furthermore , inaccurate say reformers threw books basically , placed secondary status \( jerome already done \) , additional warning doctrine based citations alone protestants love play jerome worth remeber decree pope st damsus , jerome hesitate , quoted scripture later writings already pointed , previous letter subject , catholic church accepted deuterocanon beginning protestants 1500 's sudden old theory , condemned pope , council , church , deuterocanon inspired , must church jesus christ adopt canon unbelieving jews , drawn jamnia 90 ad , christian use septuagint andy byler
car mi org \( chris \) subject need recommendations imaging workstations lines 23 need recommendations imaging workstations minimum , following requirements high resolution graphics \( black white \) display fax images support display multiple windows fax image , 3270 emulation window ibm host , etc high speed network interface 3270 , image data , etc \( 16mb token ring , ethernet , etc \) mouse information experience would appreciated thanks , car
twalls ncc1701d demon co uk \( tim walls \) subject challenge microsoft supporters distribution world x newssoftware grn 1 16f \( 10 17 92 \) mike schwartz michael b smith organization bbs development lines 42 article vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes would hardly call command delete tree , move command , state art bang feature damn necessary , often cursed able kind recursive delete missing something windows file manager , ms n't want run blasted windows every time want delete tree absolutely ludicrous load hog like delete files ! would like requiring crane change tyre car wants people buy windows , dos ms knows dos wo n't last forever crap , fault want move windows 3 1 , later win32 , eventually cairo way give reason deliberately crippling product \? surely oh , hold , guess 're right certainly stinks microsoft marketing techniques point still remains command delete trees new technology , kind thing one would expected see long windows even want good file handling \? use exe product requires microsoft windows dos dead well amen , wish damn sight dead product , used awful lot suspect going carry twitching long yet , n't anyone good \( microsoft n't appear given marketing dos , unusual form death indeed \) tim walls sysop protocol bbs data fax 44 \( 0 \) 403 fidonet 2 253 513 amiganet 39 133 1 twalls ncc1701d demon co uk pgp 2 2 public key available
dewey udel edu \( shun chu \) subject wanted sim city pc nntp posting host dewey udel edu organization university delaware , newark distribution usa lines 9 hello , looking sim city pc \( new used \) please make offer udel edu thanks ! chu
netcom com \( \) subject hall generators ussr keywords hall generators , thrusters , ussr , jpl organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 21 hi folks , last year america bought two hall generators used thrusters space vehicles former ussr , could recall correctly devices sent jpl , pasadena labs testing evaluation curious know devices work principle involved became also controversy russian actually cheated , sold inferior devices one use space vehicles info appreciated ok thank advance lockheed commercial aircraft center norton afb , san netcom com cleveland freenet edu
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject hallam baker \( welcome police state usa \) organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 96 article dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article 1993apr22 cs okstate edu , kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) hell base ludicrous claim \? plenty fine , decent people people read post p g people paranoid people like hey dude making paranoid ! argument ! ! ! would n't terribly impressed anybody got paranoid based either usenet general phill hallam baker 's comments general , 'd surprised people , accuse something long enough loud enough , enough people , start ask 're bothering fight nothing considered right , bother right \? 's pretty basic human nature 'd spot tea \) probably gave arguing case arms control directly long ago posters know talking \( e g , frank crary \) disproved arguments gun control needed , gave know right could n't refute answers , frank crary 's arguments based assumption people sane , normal people tpg disproves gun owners amazing thing n't realize hundred million gun owners posted tpg even posts talk politics guns illustrated say illustrate , would still reflect written \( often different face face \) , small select group anybody seriously attitudes positions usenet general population country either n't care accuracy needs realities explained usenet whole disproves humanity whole speaking readership posts 've seen put read newsgroups 160 , 000 readers , number feeling fairly inflated posters , rare regular , themseleves tiny minority group whole usenet readers distorted sample humanity anything , real thing get relative sample usenet readers 've got much equipment much time available us proof positive guns n't make safer buy lot guns either get shot knock raid get fbi burn house proof guns n't make safer buy one government show kill \? tell , government took away voting rights everybody exercised free speech , would proof free speech political activity \? equating two things n't see even paranoid mindset tpg good reasons support gun control phill , really believe various posts computer nets represents either poster 's person personalities general public 's general opinions , serious reservations grasp reality n't expect really believe 's simply convenient way make point , hopefully make people n't like look bad 'n kisses phill nice day , phill david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
boi hp com \( jack wood \) subject chevy gmc 4x4 pickups , opinions \? distribution na organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 41 dick grady \( grady world std com \) wrote considering buying 1993 chevy gmc 4x4 full size pickup extended cab opinions vehicles \? significant problems \? dick grady salem , nh , usa grady world std com many newsgroups , little time ! bought brand new 1992 chevrolet hd 4x4 extended cab last may many , many problems see post describes situation went bbb arbitration , ruled chevrolet must buy back get one , stay away 5 speed manual deep low first gear put three truck far 1 , 500 miles , overdrive either starts rattling loudly way fix chevrolet says noise characteristic transmission also , planning use truck tow , gear ratios tranny suck steep hill , get 55 mph second gear 4 , 000 rpm \( yellow line \) shift third , rpm drop 2 , 500 , begin loose speed point 350 v8 put hd \( 8600 \) trucks motor compared one put light duty ones dropped compression ratio , supposedly engine longevity reasons light duty 350 may pull better truck things gone wrong include ventilation fan \( 3 times far \) , paint \( specs rust embedded paint shipped rail covering \) , suspension parts \( link control arm fell \) company make bad individual car , chevrolet included really bothered way reacted made attempt deal except tell take back dealer attempt fix one time bought brand new ford hd super cab 460 automatic never buy another chevrolet hpdmd48 boi hp com
heiser acs2 bu edu \( bill heiser \) subject water trunk 89 probe \? \? organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 25 article 1993apr22 news arc nasa gov chung pioneer arc nasa gov \( po sum chung \) writes \( tommy szeto \) writes water gradually builds trunk friend 's 89 ford probe every would remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk would guess usually noticed '89 probe also , recently cleaning back think water coming rubber stoppered holes beneath spare mine looked slightly worn , water water damage problem '90 probe water definitely comming rubber stoppered hole beneath spare remove rubber stopper drain water seems like common problem probe known problem seals taillights 93 probes complain loudly dealer get install new seals known problem , present \( \) pre 93 probes , n't pay fix case , fixed extended warranty \( pay 50 deductable \) \( work valued something like 185 labor parts \) removed tail lamps occasions , think estimate fair bill heiser heiser acs bu edu , heiser world std com boston university , boston
edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) subject studies book mormon reply leland stanford edu 's message tue , 20 apr 93 21 12 55 gmt organization compaq computer corp lines 27 tue , 20 apr 93 21 12 55 gmt , leland stanford edu \( carolyn jean \) said cjf agrino enkidu mic cl \( andres grino brandt \) asks mormons cjf although n't personally know independent , know cjf things cjf writes mention events , places , historical persons later discovered archeologist \? cjf one amusing things bom claim cjf civilization existed north america , mystical plates cjf found use steel metals , cjf lots wars \( ot \) one ever found metal swords cjf traces civilization native americans talking head archeology dept college topic mormon archeology came seems mormon church \( \) big giving grants prove native americans really lost tribe israel bunk would shake head knowingly listening , take grant , go real archeology anyway ed mccreary , edm twisto compaq com , laughter , would tao \( \) ' \( \)
vixie pa dec com \( paul vixie \) subject 17 monitor rgb sync vga \? \? organization dec network systems lab lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host pa dec com reply rash access digex com 's message 18 apr 1993 18 46 08 0400 yes , monitor 3 bnc 's , expecting get composite sync signal green \? ought little black box takes vga signalling \( horiz , vert , composite sync different pins , plus r , g , b pairs \) green composite sync together output 's 1v analog , far know build op amps n't think get shielding done well enough handle frequencies involved without lots shadows junk screen anyone know vga rgb \( composite sync green \) converter \? paul vixie , dec network systems lab palo alto , california , usa n't rebel , vixie pa dec com decwrl ! vixie 're thing , anyway find paul com vixie ! paul path , stay
scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) subject hate sin organization georgia institute technology lines 33 hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , often context discussions christianity homosexuality context really n't important question whether statement consistent christianity would think hate begets hate , never love consider sin 'll leave unnamed since n't want digress argument whether something sin lets apply hate sin philosophy see happens truly hate sin , see , stronger hatred become eventually hate becomes strong become disgusted sinner eventually come hate sinner addition , hatred sin often causes us say things taken personally sinner \( often even believe sin \) enough , sinner begins hate us \( certainly n't love us constant criticism behavior \) hate builds drives people away god certainly cannot good way build love summary law , christ commands us love god love neighbors n't say anything hate fact , anything , commands us save criticisms , christians supposed deal sin others \? suppose one way deal sin \( either others \) prayer need ask god help us sin , help love love conquer sin hatred place best way love someone pray scott signature many like , one mine scott holt internet scott prism gatech edu georgia tech uucp ! gatech ! prism ! scott office information technology , technical services
cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) subject antihistamine sleep aid organization eastern illinois university lines 10 taken antihistamines nights , n't start effect \? used take one every night allergies could n't figure developed bad insomnia finally figured antihistamines would fall asleep minutes would awaken drop pin little later could get back sleep n't problem since stopped antihistamines \? alice
dls autodesk com \( daniel louis smith \) subject windows motif tools summary organization autodesk inc , sausalito ca , usa lines 67 posted may 12th looking info products take windows source unix box \( sparc \) , produce motif executable another requirement mfc 2 0 supported already know wind u bristol technologies hunter sdk others \? post summary 's wanted got requests asking summary , 'll attempt one 's ones know wind u bristol technologies hunter sdk hunter systems visual solutions hunter company going big changes expect eventually see hunter sdk pop new name moment , difficult get phone calls returned otherwise obtain info hopefully post something things settle visual solutions product heard n't yet support mdi mfc used port , mathematical modeling package native motif widgets , like wind u bristol contact lemieux 508 392 0100 info 's helpful translates windows source unix executable switch windows quasi motif look feel runtime skip xt xm \( motif \) x toolkit levels go straight xlib n't yet support mfc 're 415 896 bristol company seems right track wind u uses xlib xt xm give real motif app seem work trying support things like dde , common dialogs , horizon contact knowledgeable , responds email , wrote example program showing obtain x widgets windows handles 're 203 438 , email info bristol com dls autodesk com dls netcom com daniel l smith , autodesk , sausalito , california , \( 415 \) 332 x disclaimer accuracy statements somehow caffeine intake
uxa cso uiuc edu \( alex \) subject quicktime resolution \? organization university illinois urbana lines 8 anyone happen know max resolution quicktime \? i'm trying determine maxed system using quicktime could produce edit broadcast quality video \( including bringing video via video spigot etc \) far yet see anything 's even close vhs quicktime , 'd great hear 's possible thanks help , alex
drm6640 tesla njit edu subject apology article organization new jersey institute technology lines 6 nntp posting host tesla 's ! apologize everyone might pissed one article mattingly said best first history meant fielding first baseman one argue
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject volvo attack ! nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corp , bedford , lines 22 enough experience first volvo attack weekend last line traffic 6 vehicles long , riding rt 40 side road , sitting shoulder killer volvo question brake lights , turn signal , nothing 40 mph following cage front 2 5 3 sec back well , said cage passes volvo , brain dead idiot \( tm \) behind wheel decides n't need wait pass also turns perpendicular across lanes traffic turn around get brakes effort bone , horn effort wake bdi finishes turn , looks completely blank , stare get rocket launchers vfr \? dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject traditional historical armenian barbarism fascism reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 23 5 apr 93 moscow \( upi \) ``it 's horrible people trying get wives children , men leaving defense positions , 's total anarchy , '' said , spokesman azerbaijani president said 210 people three quarters civilians , rest government soldiers killed 200 wounded assault armenian fighters serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
subject freely distributable public key cryptography c code \? rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 17 moose cs indiana edu marc vanheyningen mvanheyn cs indiana edu writes pgp available archive site rsa com , would highly amusing , since rsa com \( actually public key partners , 's entity \) organization holding patents claim violated actually make , use sell pgp believe patents also apply canada , i'm patent lawyer anything patents n't apply canada think free trade agreement may provide recognition new patents , old ones arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
johan blade stack urc tue nl \( johan \) subject tapped , code good organization department physics , eindhoven university technology lines 19 nntp posting host blade stack urc tue nl russotto vnet ibm com \( matthew russotto \) writes clipper case , representative body experts going allowed audit , 'll assurances \( maybe even president \) escrowed keys back doors may confidence \( among \) wow , assurances president , almost good campaign promises ! n't see anyone would n't confidence n't think mr clinton even understand technical details clipper encryption scheme , assurances value al , gives says panel experts \( \? \) told lived usa , would hope experts paid fill favorite 3 letter combination j c nature reality physics johan stack urc tue nl
nichael bbn com \( nichael cramer \) subject variants nt text \( cont \) reply ncramer bbn com organization bbn , interzone office lines 75 db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) anyone english translation long recension acts apostles found \? 1 english translation found acts apostles , translated codex bezae , introduction origin importance , j wilson \( london , 1923 \) 2 another work might useful acts apostles , critical edition introduction notes selected passages , albert c clark \( oxford , 1933 reprinted 1970 \) \( edition text acts makes assumption text codex bezae authentic n't know actually contains english translation \) 3 another useful discusses many variants detail theological tendency codex bezae acts , j epp \( cambridge , 1966 \) 4 recent reference found edition french early '80s \( supply reference anyone 's interested \) 5 , many works going difficult find 're interested examining differences long recension excellent \( easily obtainable \) discussion found textual commentary greek nt , bruce metzger \( united bible society , 1971 \) metzger 's book serves companion volume ubs 3rd edition greek nt contains discussion reasoning went behind decisions 1440 variant readings included furthermore , notes addition 600 readings included \( majority occur acts \) particular introduction section acts metzger writes attempt made set reader less full report \( english translation \) several additions modifications attested western witnesses since many corresponding apparatus text volume , care taken supply adequate evidence supports divergent readings \( p 272 \) understand one early , vaticanus version acts would interesting know differences long short forms 6 copies text acts \( including ones vaticanus \) pretty closely shorter \( alexandrian \) version longer version refer usually called western version main witness codex bezae \( rather fragmentary sources \) 7 far size , difference clark 's edition \( mentioned \) book acts contains 19 , 983 words whereas text edited \( typical alexandrian text \) contains 18 , 401 words e difference 8 1 2 8 answer obvious questions , , major revelations longer text major omissions shorter text main difference seems expansion detail western text \( , prefer alexandrian \) western text seems given detail interesting specific cases , probably place go detail 9 discussion years versions authentic hot heavy anything approaching modern consensus \( \) neither text represents purely authentic version , \( ii \) variant reading examined merits however , \( iii \) variant alexandrian text better often n
cleveland freenet edu \( richard \) subject waco burnout organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 19 reply cleveland freenet edu \( richard \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu n't seem like responsible assault concerned welfare children inside seems like interested flexing muscle media reasoning \? ask one question suppose scenario slightly different chelsea clinton terrorists , holed compound 51 days think clinton , reno , fbi , atf would eager use show force \? said richard cleveland freenet edu well , judging attire , 's sort free thinking anarchist charles montgomery burns !
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject koresh doctrine 4 4 organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 25 article 1993apr23 ccsvax sfasu edu , f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu wrote well , stephen 's study david koresh 's sermon n't bother 's probable careful review stephen done obvious expenditure thoughtful effort would provide additional insight david love god may soul rest peace whether agree various points theology therein , review would likely provide significant insight love god one thing seems apparent even cursory reading koresh 's message portrayed fbi filtered press reports quite possibly friendly , person attorney reported someone stated davidian cult associated christianity well , read four postings , i'm even convinced truly christian nature sometimes makes sense label cult , especially much handle cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject christian morality organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 58 dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote let us go back , oh say 1000 years , whatever pretend someone says someday men moon \( remember , still think world flat \) quite extraordinary claim think c lewis argued medieval people think world flat however , argument goes ways pretend someone telling plato highly probable people really souls minds consciousness something brains make , brains \( body \) actually ahead mind even actions n't think plato would happy , neither would paul , although paul 's ideas quite different however , would read discuss group , preach , would see currently much evidence favour statements applies theory natural selection , sacred cows christianity origins human nature n't believe spirits , devils immortal souls gods fact argue existence god end time , really way either prove disprove , time know truth hope believe i'm right hope pray find way ah , said believe want assumed along ok maybe n't said way guess really believe way plant seeds either grow n't might well planting satan 's seeds , ever thought \? besides , n't yet explained must believe blindly , without guiding light \( least n't noticed \) n't think fair play god 's part argument sounds like version pascal 's wager please read faq , fallacy discussed wo n't 're planted holy spirit helps grow comes god failed get help hs wrong attitude \? sorry , dan , think spirit exists people claim access look badly deluded , gifted petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
csg mot com \( brad kaiser \) subject immaculate conception reply csg mot com lines 105 article may 6 00 35 55 1993 geneva rutgers edu joe moore writes , speaking immaculate conception blessed virgin gift god think basically reasoning tradition church held mary also without sin jesus yes examples writings early fathers , consider alone mother beautiful others , upon mother children compare beauty \? st syrian , hymns , 27 8 , around 370 lift sara mary , virgin virgin grace made inviolate , free every stain sin st ambrose , commentary psalm 118 , 22 30 , ca 388 many others tenets faith developed , particularly augustine , sin equated sex , thus mary assumed virgin life \( since never sinned , since spouse god , etc \) , instance ever anyone breeding dared speak name holy mary , questioned , immediately add , virgin \? holy mary , virgin invariably added , holy woman remains st , panacea heresies , 374 377 surely cannot deny right correcting doctrine children mary lord jesus would chosen born virgin judged would taint body lord , home eternal king , seed human intercourse anyone proposes merely proposing christ could born virgin pope st , letter , bishop , 392 note st augustine 's conversion christianity 387 n't know offhand election bishop hippo , i'm quite sure 392 belief mary 's perpetual virginity originated long augustine 's time hold originated apostles strictly speaking , however , mary 's perpetual virginity independent immaculate conception mary could immaculately conceived remained virgin could remained virgin immaculately conceived since also notion original sin , ie man born predisposition sin , since mary predisposition ever sin , n't original sin science discovered process conception , next step assume mary conceived without original sin , immaculate conception held church since ancient times original sin transmitted conception , person 's life begins biology nothing reflecting truth mary 's sinlessness , means god could achieved , church arrived truth immaculate conception thus , immaculate conception new doctrine , logical result understanding two old ones celebration feast immaculate conception given pope iv \( 1471 84 \) feast made feast church pope clement xi \( 1700 21 \) mary time appeared girl named bernadette lourdes refered immaculate conception since nine year old would way knowing doctrine , apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine first , lourdes private revelation , doctrine based private revelation private revelation enhance deepen understanding existing public revelation , ended death st john apostle second , case doctrine sealed ex cathedra bull deus pope pius ix meant doctrine formally recognized dogma dogma , definition , cannot change required believed faithful apparition lourdes happened 1858 , four years later might claimed lourdes gave infallible proclamation sort heavenly stamp approval , church never claimed , shall christ 's peace , brad kaiser \( csg mot com \) trust shall understand truth , faithful shall abide love grace mercy holy ones , care elect wis 3 9 nab
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject dogs organization summary relative size dog vs target lines 53 article 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca , parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes article c5pntm 8co cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes tactic depends effectiveness dog 's conformance psychological norm may actually apply particular dog 've tried success , wo n't work charlie manson dog one 's really , really stupid large irish setter taught yard \( apparently territory \) one day i'm sure playing game game probably kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? problem instability universal gravitational constant day closer got exposed \( still dripping , doubt , last cum canine psychology \) bigger heavier dog appeared become also , recall distribution 150lb one five pound jaw teeth operated two muscles driven 005 ounce brain possessing composed equal parts hunger 5 lb , course , dog , varies place dog deposits regularly tended dog 's owner 's neighbors \( whilst continuously supply , doubt consuming likes folks like \) , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! thought time , looked formidable instruments mayhem , realized become weak many hours tapping away ergonomically correct crt keyboard one option left reached toolbox near car craftsman 150 ft lb torque wrench , surely bludgeon dire necessity ever one amazement confusion , setter started shaking rolling grass , feet vanished street , still quivering occasionally looking back seven one blow ! , flexing new found brandishing terrible weapon secure environs domicile later found dog apparently knew along wrench defective , would longer measure torque accurately , sears would n't fix replace interpreted fear fact unmitigated contempt sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages exactly nobody look quite silly \) chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
cliffga microsoft com \( clifford garrett \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 8 yes , lot os 2 2 0 common os 2 1 x written guys however , many things made os 2 2 0 much successful \( win os 2 , workplace shell \) previous versions ibm work yes , certainly ibm wrote windows code ! ! ! c
mizzou1 missouri edu \( handy \) subject help needed installing 2nd ide hd nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 16 greetings i'm novice messing comp hardware original ide hd western digital came system bought got ide hd maxtor wanted add slave drive change jumper settings maxtor configure slave drv , n't change anything 42m western dig , since n't doc predicted , gave error message hdd controller , take 42m install hd help matter would much appreciated \( trashed \) thankx much handy mizzou1 missouri edu
convex com \( benjamin lee \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host dhostwo convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 15 article dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes ignore attacks look sales numbers ms stock price need gratification keep great job done past thx dave l part usually gets set make money , usually things considered debated purpose life willing look stock price sales numbers gratification , usually 'll end japanese \( whoever competitive \) business e short sighted imo , irresponsible , narrow minded selfish henceforth , ignoring attack right approach matter fact , happen believe willingness debate greatest assets society sales number stock price short term result , cause
cellar org \( steve \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization cellar bbs public access system lines 32 chiu io nosc mil \( francis chiu \) writes brent irvine \( irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \) wrote failed mention davidians pouring kerosene lighting plain view brent , i'm still waiting see evidence fire got started , i'm going tell far keep talking davidians pouring kerosene , stop think second possible stove lamp knocked started fire , davidians pouring water \( wrong solution doubt much better states mind \) try put \? way , far standing davidians saw setting place fire \? oh , case new town , microwave ovens n't work well 's electricty 0 get facts post next time ! f chiu first fbi said saw two members cult start fire fbi never lies second , first started opposite ends compound time thirdly , fire spread quickly help without accelerate cellar org \( steve \) cellar bbs \( 215 \) 539 3043
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject test ride gts1000 organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 20 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article mti sgi com , zulu mti sgi com \( tim layman \) writes signing buy bike wreck sue matter papers , pointed bike said fun little nervous \( well lot nervous \) mainly expensive bike would hate buy new one let alone wrecked one \( sure \? harley 's disclaimer says , crash , take care bike , take care really responsible bike , insurance cover \? ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject maxima chain wax distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 31 article itu news ysu edu ak296 yfn ysu edu writes previous article , txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) says parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km seen miracle maxima chain wax lube stay 's supposed , swear ride faster yes , lube chain , makes better rider attractive members opposing sex smarter works really well tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
crash cts com \( greg \) subject adcom cheap products \? organization cts network services \( crash , ctsnet \) , el cajon , ca lines 23 transfer stratus com michael vos stratus com writes gather shore assembly mean built blue fin 's squid fi sound \? \( agree one \) adcom 555 preamp sound better installing famous running chips class resistor mod , replacing metal bottom cover , , bad factory could make em sound better , , better sound , unfortunately , appear priority adcom , else mods would neither necessary , would improved already touted state art le really want hear people traded \( even ! \) 555 etc , maybe dumped amps gfa 555 etc one folks traded 500 audio research ii ! \) enjoying \? yes ! sound better price greg
state systems sa gov au subject processing half gif organization state systems , south australia lines 6 've playing program called modify gif files problem keeps displaying 50 image starting top , , leaves 20 blank , another 20 etc anyone know i'm wrong , another piece software use instead \? thanks tolerance !
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 53 article ecf toronto edu srini ecf toronto edu \( srinivas \) writes reference 4 page essay local star tribute newspaper putting whole conflict perspective readily admit authority area however , asserted muslims join hands croats nazis persecuting serbs case , past actions best evidence find second hand hearsay unnamed source \? may indeed confusing muslims nazi armenians altogether 30 , 000 nazi armenians served various units german wehrmacht , according ara j berkian 14 , 000 predominantly armenian army units , 6 , 000 german army units , 8 , 000 various working units 2 , 000 waffen ss 1 amazing ! discussions change one topic another \) really disagree maybe know better issue hand , remembers today extermination tartars \? ' \( adolf hitler , august 22 , 1939 ruth w \( \) , turkish holocaust turk , p 213 \) crime systematic cleansing mass killing extermination muslim population soviet republic armenia , karabag , bosnia herzegovina comparable extermination 2 5 million muslims armenian government wwi 6 million european jews wwii \( azeri leader september 25 , 1992 \) today 's ethnic cleansing policies serbian dictatorship muslims yugoslavia , well soviet republic armenia 's muslim population neighboring azerbaijan , really different aspirations genocide perpetrated armenian government 78 years ago turkish kurdish muslims sephardic jews living lands \( kurdish leader october 13 , 1992 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
wraith cs uow edu au \( glen justin balmer \) subject rocket types organization university wollongong , nsw , australia lines 13 nntp posting host wraith cs uow edu au week saw tv program american space industry nasa said 60 's developed rocket used ions nuclear particles government however , n't give 1billion developement full scale rocket anybody see program \? , anybody heard particle system \? thanx 8 \) glen balmer
kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) subject disks copy protected organization san francisco state university lines 75 article 1993apr21 863 imag fr schaefer imag imag fr \( arno schaefer \) writes article 1993apr21 lumina edb tih , ketil edb tih \( ketil albertsen , tih \) writes article 1993apr20 230749 12821 reed edu , mblock reed edu \( matt block \) writes guess saying question difficult , impossible , answer exactly want know \? need good one project working \? secure must \? trying crack one someone else used \? probably make suggestions , assuming activity strictly legal \( general , bad idea , legally , tamper copy protection also lead corruption files necessarily back ups \( copy protected , \) devestating \) absolutely ideas practical applications , merely curious \? please clear questions , 'll try help much may interpret offer volunteer editor copy protection faq \? quite sure alone welcoming initiative ! volunteer ask questions , provide answers \) hey , stop encouraging \? copy protection serves one pur pose keep honest buyer making \( legal \) backup copies definitely stop pirates want protect soft , supply good documentation support imho way effectively protecting software several types copy protection , point make sure user using legitimate copy simplest virtually fool proof way program somehow fixate machine installed \( sort checksum , serial number , whatever \) copy put different machine \( installed original disks \) work program definitely , restored machine \( depends programmer n't use disk drive characteristic ! \) user upgrade machine , reinstall programs way document look , disk wear tear ! say originals would allow one install user 's conscience know , 'll get flamed increasing number casual users either unknowingly n't care software copyrights \( 's truth friends ask copies latest games time , refused , went somebody else \) , casual pirating becoming problem sort copy protection discourage casual copying 've seen friends dug somewhere latest greatest games , cracked , within days actual release ! know many bytes need change x wing disable quiz \? two ! yes , two ! \( n't ask ones \) determined pirates unstoppable , given enough time , results spread far , since pirate boards well known , easily tracked found authorities casual pirates copy protection determined discourage believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables two benefits 1 \) encourages registration , 2 \) cuts pirating makes traceable , patch 's registration message encrypted , quite hard change , therefore provides stable trail allowed copy hands , thus violated license agreement way , legitimate users register experience minimal discomfort \( major upgrades computer frequently \? \) problem wo n't able restore another computer registered users would proven users therefore gains full rights , restore different machines hand , software company record particular copy supposed user 's copy found somewhere supposed , know broken license agreement course , hacker break eventually , 's point , \? kasey chang
jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization microsoft corporation lines 27 article may 11 02 36 59 1993 athos rutgers edu dps nasa kodak com writes article 15441 geneva rutgers edu , loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) writes , especially homosexuality let 's reach homosexuals christ let 's try change , need bring christ n't want gay , change n't hate people n't n't hate kids wrong either tell right , lie n't admit wrong , n't make effort improve repent , get punished think quite appropriate note difference one saying , christ disagrees christian gay , christ change saying , think gay wrong , christian cannot gay , need tell change lois said , paul wrote believers rome , judge servant \? jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing
organization queen 's university kingston andy qucdn queensu ca subject \? octopus lines 17 article lmarsha cms cc wayne edu , lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) says article ebs spk hp com spk hp com \( dennis \) writes door joe louis arena checking fans octopuses \( sp \? \) , allow arena want know people hiding octopuses everytime 've joe checked purse 's place think putting one wings fans know ways sneak octopuses joe \? mean n't strip search cavity checks ! \? fools ! !
grads otago ac nz subject pb 160 extended keyboard \? lines 17 nntp posting host otago ac nz organization university otago , dunedin , new zealand hello , saw question posted week ago , far could tell answer appeared net good oil connecting apple extended keyboard powerbook \? earlier would much load pb want connect beast curious n't got pb yet ca n't rtfm assume standard keyboard mouse would ok spec sheet read mentioned connecting external keyboard extended plus mouse pushing \? help gratefully recieved summarise net necessary thanks , john collins p thinking pb160 assume would apply pb 's
lionel cs city ac uk \( lionel \) subject burden proof organization computer science dept , city university , london lines 23 nntp posting host barney cs city ac uk article mentor cc purdue edu sage cc purdue edu \( brian \) writes saw one theist net talking absurdity one saying n't believe god , sure problem arguments assumes burden proof lies atheist wrong ! philosophy one making positive argument must give reasons believing , negative make statement elves exist , would prove positive assertion , person saying elves n't exist negative case prove elves n't exist would omniscient know every inch universe applies god give reasons , \( theist \) make case think addressing wrong issue situation like see elves established fact since touch etc one us says , elves always us says , time elves positive argument \? lionel , lionel cs city ac uk computer vision group city university , london 071 477 8000 ext
buffalo wam umd edu \( duncan sterling \) subject '93 wing ding \? nntp posting host wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 9 wing ding xv take place louisville , kentucky 15 june 18 june info , register , contact , p box , phoenix , az , , tel \( 602 \) 269 duncan sterling buffalo wam umd edu , , university maryland ! slim dr college park , md 2 strokes quicker 4 anonymous
jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) subject habs win , habs win ! ! ! x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 36 april 23 , jbe5 jbe5 musicb mcgill ca wrote j j ! j j game , finally beat ! j habs dominated game especially realize dominated game 1 also ahead series 2 1 \? j plagued bad luck puck would n't bounce j way got lucky break , winning goal j went 's skate thank lord ! ! ! ! ! ! 's time ! hit 2 posts overtime 1 post game 1 's overtime let 's hope start getting luck change played well game roy 's inconsistency still makes nervous otherwise , 'd say 're going win series , sweat 's patrick roy provide consistent goaltending j damn bruins lost , 3 0 congratulations j buffalo ! ! j j life n't get better ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! agreed g jack tagline bad missing carrier rosereader 2 10 entered rose rosemail 2 10 rosenet usenet gateway rose media 416 733 2285
callan csd4 csd uwm edu \( joel e callan \) subject macintosh weenies suck scsi disks ! ! ! organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines 21 distribution usa reply callan csd4 csd uwm edu nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator callan csd4 csd uwm edu article hawk cs ukans edu , hawk cs ukans edu \( unknown class user \) think subject title says anybody relies scsi dick pain ass ! ! saying things like one believe ca n't get \( scsi \) work setup \( bad \) 've daisy chained 4 scsi devices mac without problem \( limit 7 scsi devices daisy chain \) n't working , 's really better state problem \( unless really intend try get nasty e mail , case perhaps would better posting alt type newsgroup \) ` callan csd4 csd uwm edu joel e callan hey , think answer \? n street may sit tack success milwaukee , wi rise occasion ! ` callan csd4 csd uwm edu joel e callan hey , think answer \? n street may sit tack success milwaukee , wi rise occasion !
baseball catch fever scd ucar edu \( gregg walters \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization scientific computing divison ncar boulder , co distribution na lines 29 article rec sport baseball , qucdn queensu ca \( roger \) wrote original poster wanted know big cat looked also saturday game montreal \( apr 17 \) rockies 9 1 n't paid much attention since left expos stance seemed much different stands erect open , left foot pointing 3rd base i'm wondering recent change stance \? andres one glaring weakness hitter could always fooled curve ball low away indeed new stance , maybe fooled easily \? yes , stance new baylor batting coach st louis last year , , manager , continuing work maybe andres weak left eye open stance gives better look ball maybe simply improving mechanics dunno change seems enabled hit ball well 5 years ago changed gregg baseball ncar ucar edu cr cr colorado rockies
cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 17 reply cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu words faith 357 far stronger faith god providing miracle followers interesting , david god , could n't use lightning instead semi automatic rifles \? seems even n't trust cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net hands defender , 357 miracle god helps help n't ever heard one \? john w redelfs , cj195 cleveland freenet edu opinions tentative pending data
howarth sbctri sbc com \( david howarth \) subject hawks organization technology resources lines 20 distribution usa nntp posting host mac howarth sbc com article netnews upenn edu , mail sas upenn edu \( luke \) wrote player hawks lost screwed blues lost stevens gave away oates okay , blues must kidding , right \? losing stevens blues got shanahan kept joseph traded oates janney hawks fan got respect names 8 \) lets see , scored game winning overtime goal 4th game \? \? \? luke mail sas upenn eu david howarth howarth sbctri sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory 1010 pine , rm 635 st louis , mo
cco caltech edu \( andrew tong \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 58 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) writes 'd say massive crash problems exceedingly rare windows almost never crashes , crashed errant application \( personal favorite \? one corel 3 0 programs \) hand , os 2 crash randomly number times , mostly running 's applications know ibm systems , ps 2 , particular , absolutely problem os 2 never random crash running programs os 2 fact , n't remember ever crashing course , really n't run os 2 programs , bunch dos windows stuff 've always running \( system \) running dos windows , one crash , consistent ftp tendency crash whenever would get large files \( 1mb \) particularly fast clients \( dtr 's 150k 200k sec \) , figured problem smartdrv 's write buffering turned write buffer , everything would work fine ftp os 2 never locked , though even format floppies \( use often cited example superiority os 2 \) instance , i'm still wondering print preview windowed wp 5 1 \( dos \) locks system yeah , guess i'm willing admit os 2 somewhat sensitive specific hardware dos works perfectly fine please explain time wait anything windows i'm copying formatting floppy , printing \( even , long get 9 11 pages dumped per minute , still go things slowly 's 've downloaded pp 9600 printing \) well , save personal files floppy , windows , floppy save large file hung system also found quite bothersome continually tweak tasking options fractint dos whenever wanted fractal computation background able address memory better dos , sure mean idea os 2 's dos sessions see memory windows dos sessions let \( shareware calculus program \) see around free conventional memory , lets bigger symbolic manipulations possible straight dos \( would see around conventional ram \) also found really handy dos based programs , , without writing , could handle larger data sets , simulate , etc course , point moot , since os 2 programs write simply never run memory limitations never programmed windows , n't much comparison , though
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject abc coverage organization hms lines 12 distribution usa nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article blue cis pitt edu shah pitt edu \( shah \) writes exactly biggest complaint coverage far follow damn puck ! espn abc going stick one sided pens devils series \( looks like continue thursday night \) , 'd rather watch pretty women stands non action ice slow , aging nj team taken lunch dynamic pens squad ppv mark
doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) subject persistent vs chronic organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines 53 article blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) writes article hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article enea1 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com \( horace enea \) writes anyone tell difference persistent disease chronic one \? example , persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis n't think general distinction rather , two classes chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis chronic persistent hepatitis ca n't think disease term persistent used preference chronic much two terms chronic active chronic persistent sound fuzzy , actual distinction two conditions often fairly fuzzy well beg differ chronic active hepatitis implies disease remains active , generally leads liver failure minimum , patient persistently elevated liver enzymes \( call \) chronic persistant hepatitis simply means patient blood transmit infection , shows evidence progressive disease choose , 'd much rather persistant type chronic carrier necessarily mean patient chronic persistent anything persons chronic carriers may clinical , biochemical , evidence liver disease , may chronic persistent hepatitis , chronic active hepatitis , cirrhosis , cases chronic persistent hepatitis \( cph \) probably result viral infection , although good number cases cause cannot determined diagnosis cph made basis liver biopsy consists findings portal inflammation , intact limiting plate , occasion isolated foci necrosis contrast chronic active hepatitis \( cah \) inflammation , necrosis , cph , indeed , excellent prognosis choose cah cph question would also choose cph however , david pointed , distinction two neat us would histology sometimes pretty , showing areas compatible cph cah maybe sampling problem maybe continuum n't know howard doyle doyle pitt edu
steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) subject buffalo sabres reply steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) distribution world organization freddy 's place bbs edmonton , ab 403 456 4241 lines 32 quoting bill gregory bg hey saw game ! thought sabres looked better bg described 's boston looked weak unsure even bg \( big \) \( bruins \) win third game 's going bg prove \? lucky ! well sabres 3 0 games , bad boston n't putting fight could best series playoffs , think boston come smoking next two games buffalo end series game six back buffalo , say , islanders \? 2 1 capitals probably win series , clobbered penguins eliminate devils next game cannot see \( i'm sad say \) anyone beating penguins year \( \) take cup 3 i'm afraid well talk ya later steve find girl 's faults , praise girl friends blue wave qwk v2 12
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject mars observer update 04 30 93 organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 44 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov keywords mars observer , jpl news software vax vms vnews 1 41 forwarded mars observer project mars observer status report april 30 , 1993 11 30 pdt dss 65 \( madrid 34 meter antenna \) acquire expected mars observer spacecraft signal scheduled beginning track yesterday morning \( 4 29 \) approximately 6 00 indications spacecraft entered fault protection mode sometime time receipt normal telemetry end previous station pass \( dss 15 goldstone 34 meter antenna \) approximately 8 00 pm evening entry contingency mode verified signal telemetry indicated spacecraft sun subsystem engineers reported systems performing nominally , fault protection telemetry modes memory readouts command system audit queue \( attitude control subsystem \) performed readouts verified contingency mode entry occurred shortly 1 30 yesterday , 4 29 93 preliminary indications sun ephemeris check failure triggered fault protection however , flight team determining precise cause next days last evening , spacecraft commanded back reference stable mode flight team planning command spacecraft back array normal spin state today magnetometer calibration activities completed prior contingency mode entry mag calibration data recorded digital tape recorders 2 3 playback 2 3 , scheduled completed yesterday , postponed contingency mode entry halted flight sequence c9 execution flight team developing strategy restart c9 complete data playback present planning perform soon wednesday , late friday next week \( 5 5 5 7 \) , dependent contingency mode recovery activity dtr playback performed via high gain antenna 42 , 667 bits per second upon verification successful dtr , downlink maintained 4k e rate ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton president 's remarks photo op havel organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 70 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 remarks president photo opportunity havel oval office 5 00 p edt q mr president , president havel holocaust museum opening , toured museum last night focus holocaust , weigh decision making process far bosnia concerned \? president well , think holocaust extreme example world ever known ethnic cleansing think even limited manifestations , 's idea opposed could n't help thinking 's compare two examples 're identical everyone knows think united states always seek opportunity stand least speak inhumanity q sir , close decision sanctions bosnia \? president well , course , 've got u n vote ambassador albright instrumental u n vote strengthen sanctions quite tough putting heads business implementing looking options ought consider n't anything else say , except tell spent quite bit time continue next several days q following meeting today , sir , closer sort u military presence \? president made decisions q president clinton , decided meet mr havel \? president well , i'm honored would come see i'm glad 's united states dedication holocaust museum figure widely admired country around world , important person europe , important person united states i'm hoping 'll chance talk new czech republic kinds things together support causes believe 05 p edt
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject atheists hell reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 60 imagine worst depth despair 've ever encountered , worst physical pain 've ever experienced people suffer emotional , physical , mental anguish lives deaths seem merciful least pain end death lived hundred lives , conclusion one instantly reborn another \? lived million , billion years state \? kept going forever \? happen jesus \? n't think , heard lived one day suffering died wages sin paragraph , jesus pay sins , \? something 've always found little curious 've never quite understood trinity thing one hand , jesus supposed god incarnate , time , god 's son god loved world gave begotten son first question , jesus god human form , could really god 's son \? holy ghost planted seed mary , speak , seems jesus' relationship god would equivalent human father son relationship son might inherit alot father 's qualities , father still two entities try say son person father obviously wrong case , jesus god n't hand , relationship n't human father son relationship , jesus actually god incarnate , 's really god 's son never 's god jesus least , i'm seeing someone knowledgeable trinity enlighten us \? getting back original question , great price jesus paid redeem sins \? dying cross \? since jesus knew would rise 3 days ascend back heaven , hard time seeing considered paying great price humanity earthly body may killed , , \? suffered hours physical pain , , many human suffered great deal fact jesus god 's begotten son n't seem much meaning since god many sons wants jesus one simply matter choice suspect questions offensive many christians net people , please accept sincere apologies intention offend christ , believe legitimate questions genuinely curious note trinity incarnation looked together first , reading virgin birth uncommon one \( group , 's dangerous say one believes something \) seem suggesting jesus god 's son physical sense , holy spirit father mary mother consider terrible heresy , though people react less violently virgin birth says jesus' birth god 's responsibility n't imply god 's sperm involved indeed one \( though means \) speculation god used joseph 's genetic material second , jesus sense doubly indirect father trinitarian context , term son refers eternal logos , part god son n't come existence jesus' birth jesus incarnation son n't specifically result incarnated rather , 's son incarnated clh
scratch sce carleton ca \( craig \) subject wanted 4 channel multitrack recorder \( cassette preferred \) summary want buy 4 channel multitrack recorder \( cassette preferred \) keywords wanted audio cassette 4 track mixer fostex yamaha organization carleton university lines 19 would like buy 4 channel multitrack recorder would prefer cassette machine made fostex , , yamaha , etc would consider reel reel well write know anything thanks w craig internet scratch sce carleton ca dept systems computer engineering phone \( 613 \) 788 \( dept \) carleton university \( 613 \) 241 \( home \) ottawa , , canada fax \( 613 \) 788 \( dept \) w craig internet scratch sce carleton ca dept systems computer engineering phone \( 613 \) 788 \( dept \) carleton university \( 613 \) 241 \( home \) ottawa , , canada fax \( 613 \) 788 \( dept \)
amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) subject israeli terrorism amoss 93apr25163327 shuldig cs huji ac il 2bdad779 24910 news service uci ed u 1993apr26 das harvard edu usenet ins cwru edu organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel lines 42 nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply cy779 cleveland freenet edu 's message 26 apr 93 22 22 28 gmt cy779 cleveland freenet edu \( anas omran \) writes \( tim clock \) writes \( amos shapira \) writes \( anas omran \) writes eh \? \? \? \? could please give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier \? many cases , remeber names shot killed un observer gaza first half intifada n't answer question give proof official policy israeli government kill neutral observers un personel others like \? n't sure original statement wrong prepared recieve proofs right \( since n't follow events closely \) last response made pretty damn sure least ca n't give proof , made original statement without much ground put believe world seen pictures israeli soldiers breaking cameras reporters , kicking reporters , confiscating cassettes , showing reporters orders preventing going hot areas pick pictures make reports even 's true \( case 'd take without asking prove \) still far killing reporters also whenever happened 'll bet happened individual actions certain soldiers policy government \( e g see case colonel sentenced giving orders kick arabs , far remember \) bye , amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
sdl linus mitre org \( steven litvintchouk \) subject nose picking reply stephen mont cs missouri edu 's message 1 may 93 03 59 59 gmt nntp posting host rigel mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 21 article stephen mont stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes 1 \) cause body harm one picks one 's nose \? example , might lead loss ability smell \? may good way catch cold 's easy pick cold viruses fingers , either touching contaminated surface , shaking hands someone cold putting fingers nose transfer viruses nose steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford , 01730 fone \( 617 \) 271 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus ! sdl
bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) subject scsi ide 's difference \? organization new mexico state university , las cruces , nm lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu edu iastate edu writes article 1993apr21 ac dal ca ac dal ca writes stupid question new ibm pc user i'm going selling mac getting gateway 2000 noises talk frying pan fire \) cpu use \? need info fro thesis scsi drives faster ide \? i'm pretty sure scsi faster along lot better compatability half right scsi 1 slower ide 5mb vs 8 3mb maximum scsi 2 8 bit faster burst rate ide scsi 2 16 32 bit much faster ide cyclone june
wang com \( dave \) subject cool bmp files \? \? organization wang labs , lowell , usa distribution usa lines 2603 adair atldbs com \( owen adair \) writes article 1993apr20 dlss2 james dlss2 \( james cummings \) writes newsgroups comp os ms windows misc path atldbs ! uupsi ! psinntp ! uunet ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! bogus sura net ! darwin sura net ! convex ! seas smu edu ! void ! ! dlss2 ! james james dlss2 \( james cummings \) subject cool bmp files \? \? message id 1993apr20 dlss2 organization development references 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu distribution usa date tue , 20 apr 1993 17 35 06 gmt lines 1021 article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu \( john wang \) writes hi , everybody guess subject said getting boring looking old bmp files came windows , wondering body beautiful bmp file share maybe somebody tell ftp site bmp files , like scenery files , animals files , etc used , unfortunately delete anyway could give help , please \? \? \? response different kinda wallpaper , 's use think original gif whatever called real artist name logo lower right corner need vga think , sized 800x600 256 color screens use windows directory tile hope enjoy try one size 'd rather post name , email , 'll tell enjoy ! begin 640 zip m4 l ! ! 0 \( , ! v \? ! 8 p \( 35 l \? h w yq 5p ! 5 bh \( x cp \( i8 kh , , 3 le p e xn \) \( \( \( 9z f g v g b5 hw e oi \? \? 5 m3 e , 8 4 v 7 \( r 3 \( q , x 6 r \? yay x r p nq \? \? l , ey vc f \( x 9 r \) py \? m3 ! 3 9k ti , f \? z mb n7 8 g 5 4 \? g n ' \? f , c k3 ! , im ov , l uo ! 6 \? k n z 5 ' 6 q \? 8 5 \( qq \? u n6 dt , m3 b \? k ' 7 \) nt n \? l 3 9 q3 00 9 nx uk o9 7 , u \? 8' 2v , ! r \) w uw 0 ! 7 z , ps gw , 3 \? k n \? v c2 p \? w c , po p u q \? 7x n , \? , v f b 8 v ! l q 3 w k 9n l' w qz ' l' ym \? cx qo \? gs e mz 2 \? yv \? x g \? \? qd ay wp ws p7 \? p 3 \? ! \? 0 sb r tq ' ' ! \? \? \? 7 f wj p \? n c g \) 9e \? t8 oe 8 xy , 0 wq , , 9 , \? \? v w2 ku j 2x m6 e \) 1l q f 1s 4 ! \? ! 2r , q uo kou , m3 7s 9 r \? jq ! n b , 0w l dj y6 x ! j k \( 7w gn jj q , \( ' \? c x \? u dc ! r , q7 cs c z m5 \) esp \) 0m \) lm , 6 3 av cv 3z , 9 \) x ! 4s \) z r ! ! v p 'q \? \? 7 , 8k , \( bl \) hi \) ! z r lx md0 yr rp og \) e l v w wm j 2x 7w wu p g nz \) ! n n ! 2 dtk bro eg ! 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tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject bosox win ! \( 5 2 seattle \) organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 17 article jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu \( dark wing duck ! ! \) writes last night , boston red sox win 11 games 14 games beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch dominate walked least 6 man first 6 fair walk 6 batters 6 1 ip also allowed three hits , none extra bases one run pretty good outing , told think game must win red sox seattle , considering darwin faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight thing must win game early season always hope darwin pitches well ! cheers , valentine
zyda cs nps navy mil \( michael zyda \) subject acm siggraph registration problem organization naval postgraduate school , monterey lines 17 word warning registering siggraph '93 received registration form back mail envelope marked return sender moved left address closed po box address used register siggraph '93 one printed registration form acm siggraph '93 po box , chicago , il 5316 printed envelope best printing , honest evidently siggraph '93 skipped town moved \? ended faxing registration 312 321 hope number real ! michael zyda
brand llnl gov \( hal r brand , llnl , 510 422 \) subject comments texel 5024 cd rom drive sought organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host llnl gov keywords cd rom , texel 5024 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 anyone recommendations warnings texel 5024 cd rom drive competitors \? i'm looking cd rom drive connection pas 16 scsi port hal r brand llnl brand llnl gov
gsusgi2 gsu edu \( jonathan n deitch \) subject check purchase ! \( dat drives \) organization georgia state university lines 39 schwarze delphi nosc mil \( david schwarze \) writes bought one relax technologies big mistake drive jumpers set incorrectly n't work first , software shipped drive \( new compression model \) , worst , opened drive fiddle jumpers , found inside case covered metal ! ! ! sorry shout apparently drilled mounting holes case forgot clean putting drive hp drive , way , working fine \( knock wood \) , thanks relax technologies found observe following almost new equipment check tape none , carefully open unit inspect loose wires , jumpers , screws , trash clean manufacturing mistakes power unit check ca n't think many things 've bought n't okay right box due sloppy qc jonathan ps goes manufacturer i'm picking anyone internet gsusgi2 gsu edu fidonet jonathan deitch 1 133 411 7 gisatl fidonet org 1 \( 404 \) 261 atlanta 1996 ! ! play pinball ! ! n't panic ! hate ca n't trust technology ! ! ! magic ! prizes ! hurricane gene , isaac asimov , jim henson , dr , mel blanc sigh
alleg edu \( jim \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization allegheny college article 1r3jl5 igh function mps ohio state edu nevai mps ohio state edu \( paul nevai \) writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul paul nevai nevai mps ohio state edu dept math ohio state university 1 614 292 3317 \( office \) columbus , ohio 43210 1174 , u 1 614 292 1479 \( math dept fax \) actually , thought macs restarted day jim \( alleg edu \) sometimes ya gotta grab 're life teeth anymore , 're riding ! hard ren weird al
steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) subject bosox go smoke \( seattle 5 0 \) summary bosox still falling time hits nntp posting host thor isc br com organization long suffering mariners fans , inc lines 39 article 1993apr22 galileo cc rochester edu uhura cc rochester edu \( wizard \) writes jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu \( dark wing duck ! ! \) writes respond bosox boasts \( e bosox win ! \) see , red sox fans never anything right , mind , huh \? get excited sox winning , tell us going soon worry 'll soon , say true fans sox fan think ive sox fan , sox fans true fans excited greenwell horrible johnson , cares , sox 11 4 \( 11 1 non darwin starts \) , mariners \? \? think sox best record baseball still , lost one , darn johnson quality pitcher quality mariner pitcher logged expecting see least one note chris bosio 's hitter , nary 'll take opportunity note red feet 11 5 town without scored run last two games even hit last night 's gem 's fans compare suffering followers new england 's long running tragedy , one winning season history something burden bear 'll take joys get 'em mariners two hit pitchers staff coincidentally pitchers beat red sox back back games jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing data , sure cut uucp ! uunet ! isc br ! thor ! steveh bulls r hofferbert bell 509 838 8826
nicho vnet ibm com \( greg stewart nicholls \) subject vandalizing sky reply nicho vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 x x nicho vnet ibm com news cso uiuc edu lines 11 news cso uiuc edu george f krumins writes according reasoning rights , least none think 've got regard right , someone else regard privilege followups generic ethics morality newsgroup greg nicholls vidi nicho vnet ibm com vici nicho olympus demon co uk veni
alleg edu \( brett ball \) subject ranger fans \? \? \? \? \? organization allegheny college article 1993apr22 101356 1 eagle wesleyan edu writes one happy ranger 's hiring keenan 's bad n't hire smith fired nielsen , maybe could babies team made playoffs team needs little fire butts ! ! reading hockey news n't see many ranger fans writing i'm new system big hockey fan long suffering \( 1940 \) ranger fan remember suffering builds character ! ! final questions way team handled last dreadful stretch 1 knowing needed offensive help blueline , n't see mike hurlbut , played pretty well called leetch first went \? 2 \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! ! joe kocur playing every night \? bob probert tough also play 3 come paul broten relegated street clothes end season least plays heart character , draws penalties plays 110 's ice doghouse reason \? 4 joe \? \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! enough said ! ranger fans may suffering 're loyal , unlike islander fans show team wins far stanley cup goes think 's one team test pittsburgh 's detroit would entertaining hard fought series mario amazing ! kurt think joe play every night big physical guy , gets fans game big hits \( checks fists \) big advantage get crowd going plus , helps protect players notice fights kocur ice unless seen people start go essa tikkanen , go away kocur steps think big asset , third line , special situation play
ad cat de \( axel dunkel \) subject sensible des towards bit errors \? organization c system lines 14 hello , sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? thanx hints , axel experience get n't get want axel dunkel , strasse 41 , , germany e mail ad cat de , voice 49 6192 , fax 49 6192
harvey oasys dt navy mil \( betty harvey \) subject arts letters graphics editor reply harvey oasys dt navy mil \( betty harvey \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 28 comp graphics , menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) writes anyone group use program \? stacks pretty well corel draw , since n't cdrom , best buy maybe someone would interested trading tips tricks \? yes , arts letters coreldraw personally like arts letters better things like arts letters coreldraw n't vice versa n't found perfect graphics program everything yet favorite feature coreldraw imports alot different formats arts letters like thousands clipart available arts letters however , find looking book referencing number annoying one major problems n't programs available market deprived \) betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp , networking communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code 1221 center bethesda , md 20084 5000 , cd , nswc \( 301 \) 227 fax \( 301 \) 227
tan lynx msc cornell edu uucp \( david tan , box 219 baker lab , , \) subject ignorant imake xfig question originator tan msc cornell edu organization cornell materials science center lines 23 hi folks , i'm trying compile xfig 2 1 7 ss1 running sunos 4 1 1 ow 2 0 , i'm little trouble make imake specifically , make bombs needs use xaw file n't surprising since x11 files suns standard ow 2 0 distribution various places usr openwin \( xaw files usr openwin share include x11 xaw ! ! \) actually , real problem know squat imake , n't know tell imake x11 files see makefile 's looking wrong places , first line makefile reads makefile generated imake edit ! help ! way edit imakefile tell look \? \( set defines bug , said readme file \) email post fine thanks advance , dave
gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) subject long distance ir detection summary facts long distance ir detection organization arizona state university distribution na lines 34 jvannes vms macc wisc edu writes designed built hardware 1988 would output logic level \( 567 tone detector \) upon detecting 500 led 28 feet away used motorola , biased linearly dc feedback loop servo variations sunlight \( 60hz lights \) used lenses allen sullivan would interested knowing sensing hardware use detector \? could detect angle location , system simply respond presence transmitter sensors field view \? phototransistor limiter feedback base control operating point \( expect really hurts noise figure ! comments phototransistor experts \? \) intended use atop stepper motor , provide headings beacons plan 3 4 beacons , different frequencies , room , tell 567 frequency phase lock one challenge available stepper 8 degree steps ! knowing headings beacon , would used surveyor technique determine robot location \( , ai n't going explain net \) given hindsight , would digitize amplified output self phototransistor circuit , correlate phase square waves several expected frequencies , extract amplitude beacon numerous steps , even 8 degree steps , knowledge angular response phototransistor , able rather accurately determine heading beacon allen sullivan
aaron juliet caltech edu \( , aaron \) subject wounded redbirds organization california institute technology lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host juliet caltech edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr21 bme ri ccf org , tknuth bio ri ccf org writes article 1 acad drake edu , sbp002 acad drake edu \( \) writes anyone know status jeffries arocha \? arocha broke finger trying field ground ball put dl game may require surgery injury fielding hand , good unfortunately , may damage may require surgery , would lay n't know jefferies apparently strain sort n't put dl , 's probably day day aaron
j thornton uws edu au \( jason thornton \) subject cancer organization university western sydney , lines 4 could someone give information cause , clinical manifestations treatment type cancer thank advance , jason
rigby echo unr edu \( wayne rigby \) subject need gif iff file format organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 22 article bigboote wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu \( ramin taraz \) writes could somebody please email info either gif iff file formats , get info \? well , gif stands graphics interchange format put forth compuserve back 1987 \( \? \) create format could read displayed system gif limited 8 bit color built compression scheme \( lzw \? \) iff really graphics format , rather standard way package images , sounds , animations , text , whatever one file iff created electronic arts , believe \( could wrong \) , amiga quickly adopted pretty much standard file format amiga common image format iff package ilbm \( interleaved bitmap \? \) many others exist format supports 24 bit color images information many available via anonymous ftp zamenhof cs rice edu directory pub graphics formats \( taken faq news group \) \) wayne rigby rigby cs unr edu
tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) subject pc parallel \( ! \) organization department computer science , university toronto lines 36 erickson azure nmt edu \( alan erickson \) writes i'm trying bring 8 bits pc , would like use interrupt driven routines without buying io board making new port , bring bits \? lpt seems inputs , 've heard rumours lpts bidirectional lines anybody know fer sure \? bi lpts , boards \( 'll running new 386dx 33 \) \? know sure everex magic ev 170a jumpered printer mode , general purpose bidirectional mode also , know sure ibm technical reference says following monochrome display printer adapter ibm parallel printer adapter essential external device try pull lines referring data lines ground later external device driving data pins \( violation usage ground rules \) time input , data latch contents accept responsibility incur damages kind result saying , ``i know sure , think able use traditional parallel port input port writing 0x data lines , reading data lines , external device drives '' input data , noise could make todd
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject vandalizing sky organization express access online communications usa lines 18 nntp posting host access digex net article c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes say i'm objecting floating billboard , presumably , would move around sky , one , legislating wish people bit common courtesy , would consider greed money impacts ethereal aesthetic values make us human includes need wild unspoiled things , including night sky sorry 's aesthetics argument maybe string shoudl sci space aesthetics planes ruin night sky ruin night sky radio towers ruin night sky like said , get vote , create national parks include air space
josephc cco caltech edu \( joseph chiu \) subject help ! looking oscilloscope source organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 16 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu hi , looking new oscilloscope \( bk 1541 b , looks like , find one cheap enough \) would like suggestions low priced source \( currently , btw , fry 's electronics los angeles 1541 b 598 , best price 've seen overall carry gs 490 , need 40 mhz b w \) thanks joseph chiu josephc cco caltech edu os 2 gotta get thing ! msc 380 caltech pasadena , ca 91126 happiness x wings make appointment 1 818 449 5457 calendar entry send fax , resuming game
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject sony reliability \( pb100 durability \) organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 46 article 1993apr15 waikato ac nz ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) writes article 1993apr13 1097 csus edu , altheimm nextnet csus edu \( murray altheim \) writes point \) sony manufacture powerbook 100 license apple actually works ! yup , bought darn thing cause sturdy carry around \( unless consider papers files folders \) \( shoulder strap little job eddie bauer \) 've travelled cross country several times walkman , tapes , books computer piled pb100 works happily , i'm typing right global village teleport 9600 v 32 internal send receive fax modem , love unfortunately , seen new duo 230 friend bought primary computer \( mac iisi primary home computers , quadra iici work lab \) amazed , kinda shocked screen i'm sure 'd break real easy \( sorry , trinitron , everything else 've ever bought sony failed keep trying \? i'm \) aw , c'mon 've got sony vcr , sony tv \( must two years old \) , sony camcorder \( five months old \? \) , course apple 13 rgb monitor sony tube i'm never going part cd 300i drive month old centris 650 fact sony maybe 's question personal compatibility maybe body puts wrong polarity static electricity , something \) geez , sony neighbor works hates \( always asks n't buy products \) nice guy nevertheless still two working sony color 1972 1974 older one 's second picture tube , work 're relegated old 8 bit atari computer atari 2600 game , well old younger sister 's nintendo game machine sony n't make tv 's like used though , newer mexican assembly line tv 's reliable sharp anymore dad also got 35 direct view sony \( god , thing weighs ton ! \) \) still , would without , cd players , veritable walkman \? \? \? \? shishin squish yamada squish endor harvard edu
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject dx50 vs dx266 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 28 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) subject dx50 vs dx266 date wed apr 21 19 55 12 1993 would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 thanks lot , matt end file , press return quit yes realy simple , one makes mother board runs bus 33mhz sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
brian gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( brian donnell \) subject dealer cheated wrong odometer reading need help ! nntp posting host arc nasa gov organization nasa arc information sciences division distribution usa lines 9 n't know , california false representation odometer readings criminal felony substantiate , need report dealer local authorities consult lawyer tell civil action take well keep mind prove dealer aware change dashboard brian donnell
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject genocide caused atheism organization sgi lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr19 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes jkj fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr14 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes alt atheism think condemning actions call muslims , condemning islam read minds , mr rice \? know posters think , write \? , people posting go , 's commenting think may misunderstood mean one really criticize islam necessarily bringing khomeini etc argument , whether following islam determined examining actions islamic teachings islamic teachings contained qur'an hadiths \( reported sayings doings prophet \) 's funny , thought making statement people think fact , see quoted jon
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject pc games forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 33 following pc games forsale cyber empire \( vga 3 5 disks \) 15 prophecy shadow \( vga 3 5 \) 15 prince persia \( vga 5 25 \) 15 \( vga 3 5 \) 10 global conquest \( ega 5 25 \) 10 kings quest v \( vga 5 25 \) 10 kings quest iv \( vga 5 25 \) 10 ancient art war sea \( ega 3 5 \) 10 mech warrior \( vga 5 25 3 5 \) 10 champions \( ega 5 25 \) 10 test drive iii \( vga 3 5 \) 15 balance power \( ega 5 25 \) 10 leisure suit larry land lounge \( vga 3 5 5 25 \) 10 sentinel world \( ega 5 25 \) 10 bard 's tale \( ega 5 25 \) 10 skyfox ii \( ega 5 25 \) 10 bard 's tale ii \( ega 5 25 \) 10 modem wars \( vga 5 25 \) 10 \( ega 5 25 \) 10 stunt track racer \( ega 5 25 \) 10 games original boxes instructions , manuals copy protection devices please respond e mail jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject israel apartheid state nf id r cdp cdp 000 1939 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 11 05 56 00 1993 lines 39 think generally accepted criteria according one evaluate whether certain policies practices constitute racial discrimination criteria found example 1 international convention abolition forms racial discrimination \( ratified countries \) 2 international covenant political civil rights 3 human rights charter 4 european convention human rights one reads carefully racial discrimination defined legally binding instruments , resort sophistry , obvious state israel guilty racial discrimination people suffering extreme form racial zionist regime palestinian refugees , live israeli military control others live diaspora entitled return homeland sole reason jews international law include provisions permits denial rights , circumstance israel 's actions denial totally illegal immoral allowing return refugees permitting settle tel area state israel , state would finally gain international law could justified asking recognized would facilitate peaceful integration israel middle east constitute best guarantee permanent jewish presence area attempt create separation , formal human , israeli jewish palestinian arab communities , fraught implications hope u jews , sincerely wish peace prevail israel palestine , finally realize fact elias davidsson ps please read carefully first post topic , facts zionist racial discrimination described
jburke abacus bates edu \( jburke \) subject text editor handle large files organization bates college , , maine nntp posting host abacus bates edu lines 11 title says anyone know text editor \( like notepad \) handle large text files \? thanx help ! james burke reading agree hold writer responsible evil jburke abacus bates edu happening may time
nntp posting host ifi uio joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) subject universe black holes , 2000 years organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway lines 22 originator joakimr ifi uio article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) writes let 's say drop marble black hole races , ever faster , towards even horizon , thanks space caused excessive gravity , object approaches event horizon travel integrating curve gives time reach event horizon infinity math says nothing enter black hole n't variation achilles turtle paradox , states achilles could never possibly overtake turtle \? one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire
e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) subject burden proof organization university nebraska lincoln lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu sometimes god believer maintain atheism religion many postings group answered well 's another way answer assertion suppose believe broken mirrors black cats bring bad luck mean superstition \?
michael b taylor dartmouth edu \( michael b taylor \) subject new 1 gig scsi 2 3 5 5400 rpm drives ratings \? x posted internews 1 dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 16 've noticed recent proliferation 1 gig scsi 2 3 5 drives , particular , fujitsu micropolis 2112 also maxtor \( 6100 rpm , 1 2 gig \) drive quite cheap , nice 3 5 year warranties questions catch \? one better \? type scsi 2 drives use \? service generally better one manufacturers \? prices likely go soon reason \? thanks , michael taylor
organization central michigan university ryan j cmuvm csv cmich edu subject thumbs espn lines 36 article 1993apr20 032017 5783 wuecl wustl edu , jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) says nice see espn show game 1 wings leafs since cubs astros got rained instead showing another baseball game , decided stanley cup playoffs classy move espn classy move looks like espn going devote coverage pens tuesday night , continued broadcast pen devil game even though pittsburgh game well control granted show bonus coverage caps isles cut away close game , went double ot , update us fifth goal thursday good game even second straight game pens devils imho program variety telecasts \( yes know game shown saturday b 's sabres , probably throwing bone us bruin fans \) cambell conference \? 'd like see game norris smythe back back nights national hockey night \? thought ryan \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! !
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject pregnency without sex \? organization university pittsburgh lines 16 article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu matthews oswego oswego edu \( harry matthews \) writes right , listen possibilities transmission swimming pool water \? especially n't par \? 've heard community swimming pools refered public urinals else going \? dice soon sperm cells hit water would virtually explode inside cell , since membrane water would rush cause cell burst kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
newton convex com \( vicki newton \) subject seeking recommendations new car purchase nntp posting host concave convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 18 folks , going purchasing new vehicle next months trying hold fall since heard better negotiating position purchase '93 right coming need something comfortably carry 2 adults , 2 kids car seats , 2 60 pound dogs probably afford something 16k range interested suv 's sure decent afford think ford explorer got good reviews consumer reports range isuzu probably price range think consumer reports gave big thumbs anyone offer suggestions \? hoping something little hip traditional wagon , look like fun \( lot camping \) veek
anna matyas am2x andrew cmu edu subject pens fans reactions organization h ss dean 's office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 46 blue cis pitt edu andrew cmu edu nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply andrew cmu edu writes richard j coyle writes 's inner calm 's boredom , 's spoiled arena 's quiet church many nights year many us take winning granted 's seemingly forever since team lost , 've forgotten 's like feel real excitement surprise victory n't really agree entirely different high , rate first cup pens , n't think anything else watched mario skate thing around ice seems question whether , thirty years , young hockey fans \( may millions ! \) still ask us like watch team 's playing still nervous ever devils blasting shots barrasso final seconds game three , fun far yet i'm bored either people know say winning second cup better first nothing ever top first one i'm every bit excited year experiencing inner calm susan originally referred inner calm boredom far arena general boring , well richard 's got right 's way season attribute lot new fans n't spirit knowledge long time fans last tuesday 's game , overheard man express surprise goaltender get assist anyone follows sports regularity knows anything happen time i'm confident pens i'm also stupid enough think one minute 's impossible new jersey blow series doubt happen 's possible bored \? uh uh spoiled \? least forgot excitement like \? living amazing streak n't exciting \? ! n't take darned thing granted god , look chicago see problem quietly anyway n't gonna last forever intend enjoy mom
erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu \( erini doss \) subject cellular antennas organization university illinois urbana lines 14 need get info p cellular antenna market right main companies making , much cost , specs \( gain , , etc \) , contact person group us univ il researching technology personally mail copy entire plan paper help e mail erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject espn2 tell us organization hms lines 23 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article usenet ins cwru edu mac18 po cwru edu \( michael cornell \) writes usa today says late year question , hockey moved espn2 , game week espn , bunch games espn2 \? yes espn2 launched early september cap cities currently working cable companies ensure good start base needed launch brand new cable service problem espn2 faces tci cablevision connection merger prime sportschannel networks prime sportschannel try away nhl espn season also , tci cablevision control large number cable systems around country total 15 million subscribers tci cablevision best espn2 never gets ground successfully nhl 's value suddenly cable war prime sc espn nhl vital survival prime sportschannel since virtually national major league sports contracts cover local nhl nba mlb sports teams ppv mark
l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) subject upgrading xt reply l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) organization loughborough university , uk lines 13 hi netters , upgrade xt 286 motherboard , able use old bits pieces like hd , fd , graphics card card etc thanks info p sorry question kind faq regards , desmond li lut , uk
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 22 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) says previous article , eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) says article usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com \( thunderbirds go ! ! ! \) writes nice theory bad mr2 's never came four cylinder 2 0 liters like 1 6 \? nonturbo 's 2 2 \? let clarify , think 2 0 litres also understand anyone using balancing shafts four cylinders , must pay saab royalty using patented design like porsche 's 3 0 i4 already corrected , believe may , actually apologies thread c ya drew
slc a2 cim cdc com \( steve chesney \) subject internationalization applications byte characters keywords i18n reply slc cdc com organization metaphase technology , inc lines 11 researching support various platforms applications use multi byte characters \( e g , japanese kanji \) know unix x windows contain support i18n standard \( depending level platform \) support i18n wide characters exists mac , windows 3 1 windows nt \? steve chesney slc catherine cim cdc com metaphase technology inc 612 482 \( voice \) north lexington avenue 612 482 4001 \( fax \) arden hills , mn
truemner mac truemner rd hydro ca \( gary truemner \) subject help high data link organization ontario hydro , toronto , canada lines 16 couple applications high speed data links 1 replacement ultrasonic signal coaxial cables fiber optic cable 2 applying fiber optic slip ring 16 channel inspection system reactor inspection 3 remote data link ultrasonic pipeline inspection device including transfer 16 channels via microwave higher speed transfer ultrasonic data remote inspection head would happy share sources info acquired please mail post long term upgrade next years thanks truemner mac truemner rd hydro ca ontario hydro automated welding r \( 416 \) 207 fax 237 toronto canada
scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) subject rawlins debunks creationism reply scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) organization univ notre dame lines 31 article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) writes neither , webster 's ever heard francis hitchings \? please answer well known phrase paleontologist author neck giraffe quote taken pg 103 jack information , checked library congress catalog , list following books francis hitching earth magic neck giraffe , darwin went wrong psi connection world atlas mysteries tom scharle scharle room computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university notre dame notre dame , 46556 usa
ferch ucs ubc ca \( les ferch \) subject ethernet card uses rose \? organization university british columbia lines 42 nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca 1993apr20 csu edu au golum riv csu edu au \( michael antolovich \) writes article aaron bratcher fpm mac 1 uchicago edu aaron bratcher fpm uchicago edu \( aaron bratcher \) writes anyone know ethernet card takes advantage rose extension \? hey rose extension anyway \? newsgroups comp sys mac system probulf informatik tu muenchen de \( frank probul \) subject rose centris quadra models organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany date mon , 19 apr 1993 14 33 26 gmt rose apple real time operating system environment system extension nubus cards using \( macintosh coprocessor platform \) cards nubus cards motorola 68000 processor 512 kb ram \( expandable 1 meg \) development platform hardware designers use card processor thus main processor n't needed cards currently cards know apple card new apple ethernet card apple nubus serial card perhaps third party cards , n't know frank probul 17 , 8000 munich 40 , germany applelink probul f applelink apple com internet probulf informatik tu muenchen de munich university technology department computer science germany
scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) subject branch athiests cult \( rawlins debunks creationism \) reply scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) organization univ notre dame lines 82 please excuse length post , personal reasons , must go length article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) writes information , checked library congress catalog , list following books francis hitching believe 've discovered parallel many discussions fundies , main tactic discredit sources barclay 's claims bogus mckenzie 's arguements sham , oehler position specious , 's ideas fiction , darby fraud , howard counterfeit , 's claims branch athiests zealots following claims bogus , gorman argument 's sham , 's position specious , stanley 's ideas fiction , durant fraud , counterfeit , 's claims witnessing founding new major religion really along \? ! deleted perhaps would instructive see original post say article 1993apr22 news nd edu , scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) writes article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) writes neither , webster 's ever heard francis hitchings \? please answer well known phrase paleontologist author neck giraffe quote taken pg 103 jack information , checked library congress catalog , list following books francis hitching earth magic neck giraffe , darwin went wrong psi connection world atlas mysteries followed signature extremely careful posting say anything factual made judgement hitching quality quotation attributed read books listed \( although glimpse briefly earth magic , saw nothing would care comment \) solely response inquiry warren hitching , assertion paleontologist know whether paleontologist claim know anything , except listing publications however , get decided impression included among branch atheists basis post impression mistaken , please let know otherwise , let know implications offensive , would certainly appreciate clarification posting tom scharle scharle room computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university notre dame notre dame , 46556 usa
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject truth waco organization chinet public access unix distribution usa lines 183 jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) writes nothing could point would gone long way toward convincing would media video , particularly diverse sources imho , government n't anything hide , would allowed cameras near compound beginning agree , saw reason could close pool cameras manned volunteers protected whatever points made dick , koresh 's lawyer tanks pumping cs gas ejecting exploding canisters tank booms penetrated multiple walls exploding okay , word fbi 's point see ya court ! tanks collapsing interior walls ceilings putting people great risk dear , dear could come construction used almost used materials dry hay stacked walls shields government 's bullets okay , living fire hazard built said previous invasion military drills supplies hand survival crime , irrelevant either way gas masks worked well many members bible study sleeping fire set ah yes , exactly would hold bible study take nap always wise course action 're gassed group instruction kind koresh aids tank invasion \( referring kind suicide pact counter assault efforts \) n't believe suicide pact believe koresh wanted fiery conflagration may told followers fact , hypothesis confirmed stories everyone moved center compound order escape falling debris tank invasion fire set yes , 's right whole compound demolished , expect go \? women children sought shelter second floor tanks trapped doors jammed tanks ramming building distorting frames building rammed going upstairs \? 's almost bad running fire ran length buildings acted fire trapped almost everyone place experts told chimney effect made fire appear started several places hm , interesting notion 'll see koresh seen last hour fire assumed 4th floor room children bible study , doubt hey , 's priority texas medical examiner stated flatly none bodies recovered far bullet wounds , directly contradicting fbi 's lies actually , friday stated evidence either way could flatly contradict federal claims 'll know later event , 's irrelevant survivors unanimously stated victims could gotten would , trapped tank destroyed building speed fire six hours trapped \? building destroyed immediately could left time underground bunker cited fbi place koresh could put children cold blooded killer blocked tanks crashing debris top access door six hours move away come dick said sat koresh 's bedroom talking observed room furnished like rest without air condition luxuries , directly contradicting fbi 's claim lived irrelevant , anyway pr one way , crime innocence indicated dick saw bullet holes koresh 's room made outside indicates batf indiscriminately shooting roof word whether fired back , operative question fire probably started tanks knocking coleman lanterns lit sitting piano next wall tanks busted , though none survivors saw fire start right six hours know tank could come thru wall point , leave coleman lantern burning near bales hay every one survivors strongly denies ever saying anything fbi starting fire , hearing someone say fire lit stuff attributed fbi 's ultimately irrelevant lit fire ample opportunity leave said first met koresh compound expected find raving lunatic instead found rational , charming intelligent young man surprised fact charismatic leaders extremely intelligent , actually tend excellent actors skilled manipulators \( ex ted bundy \) koresh drugs stronger aspirin use pain medical assistance phone call away gee , come women children bedrooms kids appointed nicely koresh 's relevant crimes dick said saw signs home schooling kids time ever see signs abuse anyway , outsiders rarely see abuse 's secretive thing go court documents case mistrial california one ever held wills could left time people murdered fire choices exactly choice called independent prosecutor ever need one , looks like several investigations , starting congressional committee hearings next week closing comments n't look upon cult view highly religious people sincerely believe believe judge wrong \? last sentence says hell \( government \) judge religion wrong event , hope , recorded history american holocaust people murdered us government surely jews nazis hang head shame 've allowed government become never judged religion , actions lived quiet , religious life claimed , would raid , siege , deaths instead , chose courses action every turn least stupid , irrational first stockpile weapons second shoot federal agents third stay inside n't blame cop shoots kid pointed toy weapon , n't think fbi deserves blame case koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
newman cps msu edu \( timothy newman \) subject ford probe , import car year organization department computer science , michigan state university lines 13 distribution usa nntp posting host howell cps msu edu originator newman howell cps msu edu okay , okay , know ford probe made us , fact 's made michigan , mazda plant question parts american japanese sources \? told us assembly plants japanese import almost parts used vehicles information anyone appreciated ! tim newman newman cps msu edu
schock flip cpsc ucalgary ca \( craig richard schock \) subject nhl team captains reply schock flip cpsc ucalgary ca organization university calgary computer science lines 14 article 1993apr22 mtroyal ab ca writes , subject , captain ever traded , resigned , striped title season \? team captain trivia would appreciated brad captain flames traded detroit following 1989 90 season season though 's countless examples captains traded , i'm sure yeah think flames flyers traded captains mel brad marsh craig
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject info colonics purification \? lines 63 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article cup portal com , mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes everything goes comes , personaly n't mind giving body hand experience , george 've got nice collection historical books medical quackery , topic massage recurring theme ordinary massage intended make person feel better , especially muscular joint problems like chiropracty practitioners take technique far extreme , invoking seems quack science justify technique case massage , technique called deep abdominal massage literally attempting massage intestines ! notion food inner surface intestines , releasing cause various disease syndromes vigorous painful procedure , alleged deposits passed ca n't believe idea truth behind ! human intestine new york city sewer pipe ! even , eat half small box , ai n't gonna nothin' sticking inner surface intestine \) mark , reasonable post 've seen sci med topic colonic flushing i'm profession uses manipulation \( refined form massage \) treat various human diseases proving manipulation works extremely difficult \( md 's delight pointing \) osteopathic profession seems making better progress chiropractors proving \( scientifically \) work recently study use manipulation relieve cramps women results good better drug treatment \( using physiological measurements , woman 's improvement \) study editors turning point profession 's long struggle prove medical community i'm currently trying get aoa \( american osteopathic association \) supported osteopathic research u also support nutrition education research 've pointed , grant proposal , founder osteopathic medicine \( still \) embraced diet manipulation set apart md 's time pushing drugs \( still md got real drugs service civil war \) decided better way treat human disease since saw cure \( drugs \) worse disease many years study human body , developed manipulation techniques taught students u 's first osteopathic medical school 17 still used manipulation treat \( also diagnose \) human disease used diet prevent human disease i'm trying get osteopathic profession return 's roots beat md 's punch \( speak \) 's md 's current medical practice little understanding diet affects human health change martin banschbach , ph professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology osu college osteopathic medicine eat
mace cc purdue edu \( unknown \) subject bob vesterman 's plan generate fan interest organization purdue university lines 54 article 93110 vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes owners whining baseball popular among large enough portion population , suggested various remedies , shortening game trying convince us accurate description , essentially , laid back game forget lame ideas new exciting two point plan generate interest baseball among masses point one sex point two violence let 's face , sex violence things sell america 's implement game sex cheerleaders , cheerleaders , cheerleaders dancing top bringing hot dogs umps seventh inning stretch running stands \( south bend white sox actually \) violence baseball players utter boys pitcher beans batter , empty called bench clearing brawl everybody stands looks stand , stand , stand look , look , look ho , hum , come running reach fight , stand , anybody coming bench throw least one punch suspended fined , fight outfield , waste time energy running infield think bob describing game mad magazine called idea issue , sure cover violence issue paul football sex , violence basketball sex , violence hockey violence baseball da da ! yawn bob vesterman
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject ide cable organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 50 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 vacsc0qe vax csun edu wrote bought new ide hard drive system go one already problem system ide cable one drive , buy cable two drive connectors , consequently switch cables problem , new hard drive 's manual refers matching pin 1 cable pin 1 drive pin 1 ide card life cannot figure tell way plug cable align ide drives dealt pin 2 labeled printed circuit board \( sufficient determine side \) ide drive label , look polarization notch receptacle \( connector drive pins \) receptacle center polarized , one rectangular notch 4 mm wide positioned center one side , identify pin 1 follows look pins notch top , pin 1 top right drives seen toward power connector pin pin 1 controller , well use criteria look hard labelling pin know end pin 1 2 pins 39 40 \( end \) , set need keep pin 1 end connected pin 1 end n't even look cable trace pin 1 side cable usually pin 1 cable identified different color \( red usually \) beware many cable makers careful seen cables pin 40 one marked red course non polarized connectors n't matter plug cable either way decide side pin 1 secondly , cable like connector two ends one figure one end goes controler two go drives matter plug master drive slave \? help appreciated thanks n't matter gets plugged matter drives jumpered \( amongst options \) two jumpers concerned drives one jumper select whether drive slave master master , second jumper selects whether slave present consult came drives , call manufacturers hotline number fax number one kind information routinely needed people like fax complete info jumpers n't convenient access fax machine , usually get voice help post specific question group \( probably wo n't able help \) good luck gordon lang
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject happy birthday israel ! organization department redundancy department lines 20 article 1993apr27 011549 7010 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes israel happy 45th birthday ! anybody information number people killed israel 44 happy year \? hamid 's \? another idiot mcrcim mcgill edu \? dope using different accounts \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
bongo cc utexas edu \( marc bizer \) subject problems hp backgrounder help ! ! organization university texas austin lines 23 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id slip 177 ots utexas edu x xxdate thu , 22 apr 93 21 13 52 gmt hi everyone , i'm experiencing annoying problem background printing hp deskwriter \( sys 7 1 , deskwriter driver 3 1 , powerbook 170 \) print , say , ms word , see message disk , sometimes nothing prints checking memory map thanks menus , see hp backgrounder loaded restarting fixes seems hp backgrounder quitting unexpectedly , status multifinder aware allows without informed message hp backgrounder quit unexpectedly ever seen problem may may related problem experienced problems putting computer sleep choosing sleep finder menu sometimes nothing today whim checked memory map , discovered hp backgrounder loaded restarted reloaded hp backgrounder , able put machine sleep usual mere coincidence hp backgrounder crash preventing machine going sleep \? anyone seen problem \? i'm seriously considering purchase poor quality hp software please send answers directly post net truly , marc bizer
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject cnn report fbi atf killing americans organization stratus computer , inc lines 41 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr22 csli stanford edu , cower csli stanford edu \( richard cower \) writes cnn reported atf fbi begun killing everyone united states press release stated action required bugs revealed many people something illegal homes , statistical data indicated n't might someday something illegal atf spokesperson , shot , stated would clean things still unsure whether satire , jury still also yesterday , even though compound longer exists , us attorney 's office released formerly sealed documents , including search warrant related , authorities planned use siege documents include original warrants bureau alcohol , tobacco , firearms late february , day never released one documents indicated agency planned seek samples koresh 's handwriting verify signed gun purchases , also espoused doctrines hostile law enforcement particularly atf ' , one charges koresh seems contempt cop expressed hostility batf chilly feeling perfectly normal , folks go away 51 days quick brown fox jumps lazy dog abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz save trouble subpoena ing samples heavens knows want cooperate fully , cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
subject information needed oneb almanac bc ca organization old frog 's almanac , nanaimo , b c keywords mazda mx 6 lines 16 deca cs umn edu \( youjip \) writes hi ! first time post news group days , stu engine warning signal dash board driving , si wanna know engine warning signal comes anybody low oil pressure , usually could oil pump , checked oil lately \? \? \? mc oneb almanac bc ca \( mark chase \) old frog 's almanac \( home almanac unix users group \) \( 604 \) 245 3205 \( v32 \) public access usenet \( 604 \) 245 4366 \( 2400x4 \) vancouver island , british columbia waffle xenix 1 64
dlneal apgea army mil \( dennis l neal dlneal \) subject looking teacher miami organization edgewood lines 16 nntp posting host cbda9 apgea army mil sounds little odd sold amiga hand scanner elementary school teacher south florida \( miami , think \) recently found still scanner manual original shipment included software manual , disks , packaging , etc basically , since lost name address person sold would like get person sees , please send email dlneal cbda9 apgea army mil thanx , sorry taking net space dennis
troy cc bellcore com \( , robert \) subject welcome police state usa organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 12 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? tell everyone hell first place \? knew , 'd much better position judge actions , speculate develop nice conspiracy police state stories bob
tph susie sbc com \( timothy p henrion \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization usr lib news organization lines 22 nntp posting host susie sbc com article 1993apr22 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes article sbctri sbc com , tph susie sbc com \( timothy p henrion \) writes please explain koresh defending children burned ever said \? obvious defending , followers , government whether think right wrong another question right , moral right kill kgbatf agents ray cote killing atf agents separate issue point many children died koresh defending call moral right keep children dangerous enviroment order defend \? tim henrion southwestern bell technology resources sbctri sbc com
al col hp com \( al devilbiss \) subject cpu fans organization hp colorado springs division lines 28 nntp posting host col hp com ampex com \( steve russell \) writes deletions attached fans look slick work well i'm bothered potential loss cooling fan goes least power supply fan reach back every days feel fan blowing yes , valid concern imho directly attached fan units 've seen , looks like fan stop chip cooling would good bit worse heat sink words , fan stops unit turns chip might get hot enough suffer permanent damage , stop working temporarily prefer put stock fan drive brackets front panel blow air across cpu depends lot case board layout , though zeos 486dx2 66 \( tower case \) passive heat sink cpu , 's located front fan , sucks air case , blows right heat sink fan stops heat sink still cooled air flow see dramatic temperature rise essentially arrangement 're talking good idea imho chip fans fry 's electronics sf bay area 30 00 get stock power supply fans 11 00 steve al devilbiss al col hp com
dcl cso uiuc edu \( paul park \) subject new integra '94 \? distribution rec organization university illinois urbana lines 20 article tsegw tse com pbhandar tsegw tse com \( parminder bhandari \) writes 've heard rumours new integra released '94 anybody info \? local sales people know much throw parms \( still sig \) go rumors dont quote new integra supposedly wedge shaped 175 hp wheel drive top models variant called zx r comes later \( \? \) think gets unveiled end summer nothing airbag mentioned , im sure 'll one along nice hefty increase sticker \? \? \?
guy x co uk \( guy singh \) subject x motif config file hp ux 8 0 \? \? reply raistlin uni paderborn de 's message 12 may 93 12 46 17 x disclaimer view ixi ltd unless explicitly stated lines 29 nntp posting host x co uk organization lot x copyright author asserts right message 12 may 93 12 46 17 , raistlin uni paderborn de \( markus koch \) said markus nntp posting host uni paderborn de markus hello everybody ! markus i'm trying compile motif 1 2 1 hp running markus hp ux 8 05 it' seems succesful , markus hp cf config files hp ux 7 0 markus tried standard cc x compiled lot warnings markus motif applications compiled quite well , wo n't run markus receive xkeysymdb error reported faq , markus cannot fix xkeysymdb file right location markus works fine sunos markus probably started compilation wrong markus config file markus please help ! markus markus thanx advance markus markus installed x lib xt projectroot , find install one files x lib search search path file based whatever projectroot defined confirm happened , i'm guessing , go mit lib x strings xkeysymdb guy singh , ixi internet guy x co uk vision park uucp guy ixi uucp cambridge bang ! uunet ! ixi ! guy cb4 , uk tel 44 223 236 555
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject looking toshiba specs organization megatest corporation lines 12 i'm looking specs toshiba bp appears power amp housed 7 pin inline package used mitsubishi vcr , circa 1985 , dc motor controller tape drive checking oldest ic master \( 1990 \) , n't see listed , appears discontinued anyone anything part , 'd greatly ! thanks advance , aaron
smyrna cc vt edu \( ray stell \) subject public patch 0 organization virginia tech , blacksburg , virginia lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host smyrna cc vt edu r5 file fix 01 line reads subject line n't see file fix 00 got hmmm lines putting fix 01 , made wonder missed 00 mark \? thank ray stell smyrna cc vt edu \( 703 \) 231 call stephen first martyr n't lazarus deal \? c lewis
lamar colostate edu \( robert brewer \) subject rush joke nntp posting host lamar acns colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 11 heard day rush gotten together tammy baker crawling bed night rush 's feet brushed tammy 's legs god ! feet cold said rush looked back said , tammy honey , told 're alone call rush ba dump bump ! bob
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject replacement custom seats , get \? organization university colorado boulder , ocs lines 20 nntp posting host fred colorado edu article usenet ucs indiana edu tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu writes article 1993apr26 colorado edu jerry bowman , bowmanj csn org writes car talking \? camaro , chevelle , gto , nova , etc bunch places get 68 corvette , n't want put corvette seats original seats shape uncomfortable hell i'm going store find set drive vette catalogs i'm looking generic type seat modify brackets cushion height overall width concern 've looked local without success would like find pair cheapo 's use summer tom call around wrecking yards area , , look seats right floor like vette wide ca n't find let know 'll call around i'm sure yards ship stuff time
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject zionism organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 22 article 1 cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) writes organization trying distribute nazi propaganda furthermore , attempt rationalize crude stereotyping pointing wtc bombing , arab americans involvement huh \? mohamed perhaps korean \? claim arab americans involvement wtc bombing \? ok , involvement alleged fbi , n't seem reliable days honestly , pile evidence pointing , seems 5 involved mean arab americans involved , blamed , denying arab americans involved sounds sorta silly adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
hedrick geneva rutgers edu subject faq essay homosexuality lines 452 someone referred faq essay homosexuality since n't posted time \( 've modified somewhat since last time \) , i'm taking opportunity post another entry faq containing comments contributors retrieved ftp rutgers edu pub soc religion christian others homosexuality contains far detail exegetical issues give , though primarily conservative point view posting summarizes several issues involving homosexuality christians frequently asked question , post question time occurs rather attempt summarize postings get discussion summarizes arguments allowing christian homosexuality , since people asking question already know arguments common question dealt herein christian justify homosexual , given bible says \? first , definition many groups believe homosexual orientation , e sexual attraction members sex distinguished actual homosexual sexual activity homosexuals abstain sex considered groups acceptable however lot discussion , term means someone actually engaging homosexual sex generally accepted outside groups paper i'm going use meaning person engaging sexual acts another sex n't heard biblical argument person homosexual orientation remains think people admit predisposition homosexual often called known whether genetic environmental evidence suggesting best evidence 've seen homosexuality single phenomenon , number different causes one probably genetic several groups try help people move homosexual heterosexual best known exodus international reports 've seen \( n't read detailed literature , summary minority opinion presbyterian church 's infamous report human sexuality \) suggest programs low success rates , questions real even successes certainly people say converted however issue important sounds believe homosexuality wrong believe intrinsically wrong , defined god fact 's hard get homosexual relevant fact 's hard escape drug addict 's wrong , 's wrong may affect deal people though 's difficult change , may tend make us willing forgive one general background issue 's common quote figure 10 population homosexual asked one experts came 's response kinsey \( see \) source figure 10 percent defines sexuality behavior , orientation , ranked persons scale zero \( completely heterosexual \) 6 \( completely heterosexual \) according kinsey , one third male adults least one experience orgasm post puberty ten percent adult males experiences 1948 percentages held true followup study done kinsey institute , based data early seventies published early 80s , bell weinberg , believe ca n't put hand latter reference , online information kinsey 's study appears iris , catalog rutgers author kinsey , alfred charles , 1956 title sexual behavior human male alfred c kinsey b pomeroy clyde e martin publisher philadelphia , w b co , 1948 xv , 804 p 24 cm notes based surveys made members staff indiana university , supported national research council 's committee research problems sex means funds contributed medical division rockefeller foundation bibliography p 766 787 pomeroy , baxter , joint author martin , clyde eugene , joint author subjects sex u moral conditions lc card figure widely used scholarly discussions even found hold true several cultures , noted recent newsweek child gay \? \( feb 24 , 1992 \) journalist running rounds talk shows season promoting book allegedly refutes kinsey 's study , scholarly world seems take kook 've seen objections kinsey 's study , enough detail include \( someone would like contribute another view , 'd willing include \) christians believe homosexuality \( least sex \) wrong , however denominations accept metropolitan community churches best known formed specifically accept homosexuals however united church christ also allows , think couple groups may well episcopal church seems accept areas others churches government , 'll find congregations accept \( even among southern baptists , though number probably one two congregations \) unusual churches permit homosexual church leaders carefully enforce another issue n't doubt homosexual pastors every denomination , open others arguments biblical issues , 's attempt summarize issues commonly cited reference favoring acceptance homosexuality previous discussions john boswell christianity , social tolerance , homosexuality , u chicago press , 1980 argument pretty clear several explicit laws ot , e g leviticus 20 13 , rom 1 paul seems pretty negative homosexuality beyond references , debates passages often cited subject probably relevant e g sin inhabitants sodom proposed carry homosexual rape , homosexual activity consenting adults \( 's even question whether homosexual , since entities involved angels \) particularly horrifying involved guests , responsibility towards guests culture strong \( probably reason lot offered daughter better give daughter allow guests attacked \) look concordance references sodom elsewhere bible , 'll see seem imply homosexuality sin 's jewish tradition major sin abuse guests rate , 's debate homosexual rape wrong discuss leviticus law part set laws christians consider binding unless nt justification found , lev alone would settle issue nt references paul 's letters number references paul lists sins words fairly vague boswell argues words occuring lists mean homosexual 's says two greek words appear lists \( e cor 6 9 tim 1 10 \) arsenokoitai unfortunately entirely clear words actually mean , basic meaning soft , variety metaphorical meanings ethical writing boswell suggests likely equivalent also reports unanimous interpretation church , including greek speaking christians , passage referred masturbation , meaning vanished 20th cent , practice come less upon \( cites references late 1967 edition catholic encyclopedia identify masturbation \) translates male prostitute , giving evidence none church fathers understood term referring homosexuality general technical meaning , suggested early latin translations , would active mode homosexual male prostitute , view paul intend technically conservative view , consulted gordon fee 's commentary cor cites evidence often meant effeminate however boswell warns us greek culture effeminate necessarily synonymous homosexual , though may associated kinds homosexual behavior given boswell fee say taken together , suspect term simply definite , applies homosexuals cases , n't general term homosexuality fee argues boswell well , ends suggesting translation seems essentially big problem word almost never used paul 's writing first occurence fact word clearly composed male f k unfortunately n't quite tell us meaning , since n't tell us whether male subject object action examples compound words formed either way given theory could refer rapists , etc 's dangerous base meaning purely etymology , 'll conclude goodbye religious expression 's based god ye however since boswell , fee , niv seem agree homosexual male prostitute , seems good guess note translation misses strong term however \( something fee boswell agree , attempt reproduce translation \) opinion , strongest nt reference homosexuality romans 1 boswell points rom 1 speaks homosexuality something happened people naturally heterosexual , result corruption due worshipping false gods one could argue simply example homosexual worshipped false gods , would also fall degradation perhaps become heterosexual however find argument somewhat forced , fact homosexual readers seriously proposed paul meant however convinced rom 1 sufficient create law homosexuality christians paul describing rom 1 homosexuality among christians 's homosexuality appeared among idolaters one part whole package wickedness despite impression left rhetoric , i'm sure paul believe pagans completely abandoned heterosexual sex given description situation , rather assume heterosexual sex would also shameless yes , believe passage indicates negative view homosexuality fairness , shameless nature acts reflection general spiritual state people , specific feature homosexuality overall view situation following think enough evidence confident paul disapproved homosexuality rom 1 seems clear cor 6 9 tim 1 10 unambiguous general condemnations homosexuality , seem like wording would come someone approved homosexuality even considered acceptable cases hand , none passages contains explicit teachings subject rom 1 really idolatry refers homosexuality passing result situation people interpret passages light general approach scripture look scripture laws issues , surprising would consider passages nt endorsement ot prohibition whose approach bible liberal , surprising regard paul 's negative view homosexuality something took jewish upbringing without serious light gospel readers group know , assumptions behind approaches radically different people tend foam mouth see opposing view described 's lot moderator situation number discussions past centered around sort detailed exegesis texts described however fact i'm convinced defenders homosexuality actually base beliefs analyses real issue seems rest question whether paul 's judgement apply modern homosexuality one commonly made claim paul simply never faced kinds questions trying deal encountered homosexuality contexts people would probably agree wrong never faced experience christians try act straight fail , never faced christians trying define christian homosexuality , fits general christian ideals fidelity seeing sexuality mirror relationship god man unfair take paul 's judgement homosexuality among idolaters use make judgements questions another following paul 's time homosexuality associated number things christians would find acceptable part temple prostitution among private citizens , often occured adults children free people slaves i'm position say always , reasons think ancients distinguished active passive partner considered free adult act passive partner \( reason active mode homosexual prostitute would considered customers would people enjoyed passive role \) supports idea would tend engaged two free adult males , least without degree scandal clearly christian homosexuals would condone sex children , slaves , others position fully responsible partners \( however fee 's commentary cor cites examples ancient literature homosexual relationships seem involve free adults reasonably symmetrical way thus considerations paragraph n't pushed far homosexuality may discredited jews associations , surely must cases prostitutes involve slaves children \) people argued aids judgement homosexuality 'd like point aids transmitted promiscuous sex , homosexual heterosexual someone homosexual relationship meets christian criteria marriage risk aids note good reason paul 's general approach doubt would concede homosexuality fully equal alternative , apart specific statements homosexuality believe use genesis story would lead regard heterosexual marriage god ordained however way paul deals pastoral questions provides warning quick deal issue legally claim question counsel homosexual christians entirely theological issue , also pastoral one paul 's tendency , see issues eating meat celebrating holidays , uncompromising principle pastoral issues look carefully good people involved , avoid insisting perfection would personally damaging example , paul clearly believed acceptable eat meat , wanted us avoid pushing people action personal qualms another example , paul obviously would preferred see people \( least circumstances \) remain yet unable , certainly would rather see married state might tempted fornication believe one could take view like even accepting views paul expressed rom 1 one may believe homosexuality god intended , occured result sin , still conclude times live note creation story work enters human life result sin n't mean christians stop working saved question whether believe homosexuality sinful whether believe 's misfortune broad sense due human sinfulness 're willing consider latter approach , becomes pastoral judgement whether damage caused finding way live trying cure dangers trying cure attempt often fails , , end damage ranging psychological damage suicide , well broken marriages attempts living heterosexual fail going depend upon one 's assessment inherent nature homosexuality believe serious wrong , may willing run high risks serious damage get rid clearly generally suggest people live tendency steal drug addiction , even though attempts cure conditions also difficult however conditions intrinsically damaging way obvious homosexuality \( many problems associated homosexuality actually problems promiscuity , homosexuality includes aids take granted sort homosexual relationships christian would consider allowing would equivalent christian heterosexual relationships \) course discussing last decade , 've heard lot personal testimony fellow christians situation 've also seen summaries various research results various efforts conversion \( aside presbyterian report mentioned , 's faq summarizes readers' reports question \) evidence long term success changing orientation rare enough par healing miracles danger advising christians depend upon change clear conversion n't happen , almost always , people often left despair , feeling excluded church nothing say requirement life long celibacy paul recognized \( though different context \) demand practical people , think history clerical celibacy strongly reinforced judgement practical result homosexuals end gay sex clubs rest side homosexuality maybe homosexuality n't god 's original ideal , well imagine paul preferring see people long term , committed christian relationships promiscuity work genesis suggests n't part god 's original ideal either think relationships still vehicle people sharing god 's love 's issue biblical interpretation underlying discussion issue cultural relativism , paul says something wrong , taken eternal statement , things wrong specific situations culture time \? conservative christians generally insist taking prohibitions absolute , since otherwise bible becomes subjective stop us considering everything relative \? looking issue , 's worth noting one completely rejects concept cultural relativism number judgements new testament even conservative christians consider relative following judgements least clear bible anything said homosexuality prohibition charging interest \( occurs 18 times ot 's nt , mention relatively recently church consider binding christians \) prohibition swearing oaths endorsement slavery institution judgement tax collectors sinner regard items binding cases , believe argument essentially one cultural relativism briefly prohibition interest appropriate specific society bible trying build , market economy people believe american judicial oaths characteristics kind oaths jesus concerned people believe paul simply telling people live within slavery , endorsing institution people believe irs morally equivalent roman tax farming point i'm trying make applying biblical prohibitions 20th cent , need look whether 20th cent actions christian homosexuals say relationships different greek homosexuality paul would familiar , exactly kind argument made judicial oaths tax collectors fairly recently christians prohibited taking interest , many christians regarded slavery divinely endorsed \( indeed , slavery one common metaphors relationship god human beings christians often called servants slaves god \) trying say everything bible culturally relative rather , i'm trying say things , therefore enough say something appears bible , ends discussion need look whether action 're talking moral implications one bible talking christians want argue reasons think prohibitions homosexuality still binding , i'm willing listen claim question n't need looked kidding \( unless part small minority really obey rules listed \) one thing worries great emotions issue creates consider weakness biblical evidence laws leviticus , passage rom whose subject matter really idolatry rather homosexuality , couple lists whose words ambiguous amount concern raising among christians seems rather proportion suggest people reasons simply biblical involved true sides clearly homosexual christians strongly motivated find ways discrediting biblical arguments conservative christians find biblical arguments ca n't help feeling bible used sides way justifying attitudes come sources dangerous situation christians side issue , would like note problems pro homosexual position commonly presented one common arguments homosexuality biologically determined e god made homosexual , choice think god made homosexual fine view people already believe grounds homosexuality acceptable n't see argument many people think largely biological , drug addiction may turn well n't mean 's ok us particular things tend wrong people get angry easily others tend arrogant others tend women married someone else homosexuality \( view wrong \) would n't different things going follow god , end one time another work overcome bad habits particular cause us problems none us sit back say god made us way relax jesus said , take cross daily concept dying self \( also appears throughout paul 's letters \) seems suggest going things called accept paul 's letters experience christians throughout history show us sin ingrained us , battle lifelong difficult fact homosexuality difficult fight n't necessarily say 's ok maybe n't place die self 'd like make sure think n't fighting battle somewhere else , rejecting concept christians fight deeply habits sin
jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \) subject data skull distribution world organization invention factory 's bbs new york city , ny 212 274 8298v 32bis reply jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \) lines 11 gt gary concave cs wits ac za \( gary taylor \) gt hi , trying develop image reconstruction simulation skull could high resolution ct \( computed \) scanning skull many ct scanners algorithm 3 reconstructions plane want reconstructions every 2 degrees planes , could use resultant images create user controlled animation slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com \( jim zisfein \)
nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu subject amusing atheists agnostics organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 33 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes lies hypocrisy , dude atheism takes much faith theism admit ! people might think takes faith atheist faith \? take kind faith say great invisible pink unicorn exist \? take kind faith say santa claus exist \? \( may people suppose \) certainly n't big leap faith say things \( god \) exist \( suppose depends notion definition faith \) besides believing god means one n't deal extra baggage comes ! leaves person feeling wonderfully free , especially beaten head years ! agree religion belief often important psychological healer many people reason think 's important however , trying force psychological fantasy \( n't mean bad way , 's really \) someone else n't interested extremely rude still believed santa claus said belief santa wonderful things life \( making better person , allowing live without guilt , etc \) tried get believe santa much \? 'd call men white coats soon could get phone bake timmons , iii nanci \( babbling \) \) know \( sure \) author quote , please send email \( nm0w andrew cmu edu \) spring nature 's way saying , 'let 's party ! '
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject yankee thoughts organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 30 1993apr20 clam com sam steamer clam com \( sam mandelbaum \) writes 2 wade boggs live boston like wade lot , career winding would rather see yanks start develop long term solution \( e hensley , russ davis , velarde \? \) besides , wade n't range shame charlie hayes , huh \? actually , according da information posted sherri , boggs superior defensively 's defensive averages last five years compared average 3b , al 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 boggs 643 2 659 47 550 54 653 33 634 32 hayes 601 40 622 18 606 14 574 28 hayes defensive standout third , 's done good job put another way , compared average third baseman last year boggs converted 11 grounders outs , turned 2 double plays , prevented 11 doubles hayes let 12 grounders go hits , turned 6 double plays , prevented 4 doubles dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
unix sri com \( matt mora \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization sri international , menlo park , ca lines 39 article 1993apr26 socrates umd edu johng socrates umd edu \( john gustafson \) writes ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? use wd 40 may tease sub thread discussion \? please tell remove stickers new houses' appliances outdoor lampposts \? especially , right glass n't something rub stuck labels release death grip glass hard surfaces \? many thanks help try wd 40 xavier matthew xavier mora matt mora qm sri com sri international unix sri com 333 ave menlo park , ca 94025
perrot polymtl ca \( perrot \) subject installing xdbx v2 1 2 sgi originator perrot indigo organization ecole polytechnique , institut de genie biomedical lines 10 anyone install xdbx v2 1 2 sgi workstation \? thanks answer perrot perrot , de recherche ecole polytechnique institut de genie biomedical c p , e mail perrot polymtl ca montreal , canada tel \( 514 \) 340 fax \( 514 \) 340
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction lines 64 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article hsdndev harvard edu , rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article 1993apr26 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes different class big question seems reasonable use patients gi distress sinus problems could due candida blooms following use broad spectrum antibiotics \? guess i'm still clear term candida bloom means , certainly well known thrush \( superficial candidal infections mucous membranes \) occur antibiotic use nothing systemic yeast syndrome , quack diagnosis discussed found sinus mucus membranes candida women known long time suffer candida blooms vagina women lucky find physician willing treat cause give give advise use otc anti fungal creams lucky \? since recent article \( randomized controlled trial \) oral yogurt reducing vaginal candidiasis , 've mentioned number patients frequent vaginal yeast infections could try eating 6 ounces yogurt daily turns would rather use anti fungal creams get yeast infections yogurt dangerous \) standard part medical practice , gordon r says , incidence gi distress vaginal yeast infections decline , n't systemic yeast syndrome , nothing quack therapies discussed evidence attempts gi tract bacteria antibiotic therapy n't seem helpful reducing diarrhea , n't think anyone would view quack therapy david rind yogurt contains lactobacillus acidophilus l l acidophilus major bacteria vaginal tract primarily responsible keeping vaginal tract acidic yeast free commercial yogurt sold u low l acidophilus l count neither bacteria much important dealing diarrhea problem gordon r told e mail gives patients l acidophilus several different \( set shop colon \) n't told ones yet lactobacillus mostly set shop access oxygen given chance \( mouth , anus , sinus cavity vagina \) good bacteria around greatly decrease chance candida blooms anal region vagina proposed systemic action candida blooms know others swear kinds symptoms arise evil yeast blooms body i'm ready buy yet believe complications specific sites \( vagina , anal maybe lower colon , sinus mouth \) result antibiotic use removes competing bacteria sites thus lets candida grow unchecked restoring right bacterial balance best way \( opinion \) get rid problem anti fungals , low carbohydrate diet vitamin supplementation may help minimize local irritation good bacteria take control food supply lower ph basically starve candida marty b
jld hpfcso fc hp com \( jeff deeney \) subject ok , little hasty organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 11 rec motorcycles , egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes driving allows prosecution drivers influence variety drugs like non cold medicines \? 1 2 \) jeff deeney dod '88 jld fc hp com ama '81 sound fresh rain run roof reminded sound urine filthy texaco jack handey
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject mlb nba \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 56 article 93109 vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes article netcom com , mss netcom com \( mark singer \) says 1 \) would owners decrease ticket prices obviously get lots people pay price 're asking \? n't think obvious lots people willing pay price i'm sure someone net land facts trends attendance regarding percentage capacity sold even trends relatively flat , consider happening team team basis tv money dries , franchises seeking lost revenues alternative sources one best sources may ticket sales example 1 dodgers dodgers count strong base season ticket sales probably believe ability raise prices without hindering revenues certainly think true example 2 padres lucky average 10 , 000 fans game year raise prices , less want increase overall revenue base , best thing put winning team field given wo n't happen \( wo n't \) , probably make money lowering ticket prices running frequent \? idea wo n't increase prices , wo n't work 2 \) even assuming strange power make owners decrease ticket prices , decrease tv contract strange powers work forces market place team 's market somewhat different , owner going faced unique set circumstances deal market forces manager , would never want lower prices , sometimes strategy necessary , sometimes works consider everything want continued success beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
jtchern ocf berkeley edu \( joseph hernandez \) subject mlb scores correction organization jtc enterprises sports division \( major league baseball dept \) lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host monsoon ether berkeley edu keywords mlb , 04 20 correction note posted today 's update read note saturday , april 20th 's scores sent coming friday course , last saturday april 17th people requested scores receive friday 23rd thanks joe hernandez joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) subject age reason read rushdie 's reply sandvik newton apple com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 06 38 30 gmt organization compaq computer corp edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com vice ico tek com sandvik sandvik kent apple com lines 35 wed , 21 apr 1993 06 38 30 gmt , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) said ks story kent , archetype finn , lives ks bay area , tried purchase thomas paine 's age reason ks man driving around , , books inc , well , ks place , , various places ks asked book , well educated american book store ks assistants placed asked check thriller section , ks said book published yet , ks receive book soon places assistants bluntly ks said n't know author , ks well known living author , n't keep copies books ks life times america , 200 years revolution sigh , n't feel bad searching copy bookstores habit mine least two years spend lot time browsing bookstores , new used , 've seen copy , know , pick phone order darned thing , come , america 's one founding fathers one carries books \? sure , find common sense think 's 's required reading colleges find one hole wall bookstore owner said usually carry one two copies , currently n't back since n't know telling truth sigh ed mccreary , edm twisto compaq com , laughter , would tao \( \) ' \( \)
ehd hwc ca \( michael goddard \) subject looking strategic baseball organization health welfare , canada lines 22 nntp posting host ehd hwc ca x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 last year nine year old son fell love baseball likes play follow professionals would like buy board game catch glimpse practise little managerial looking computer game type game manual determines winner something friends spread table rainy day spend thoughtful time would appreciate names recommended games n't follow newsgroup , e mail responses would ideal michael ehd hwc ca michael goddard \( 613 \) 954 fax \( 613 \) 952 b9 , environmental health centre , 's pasture , ottawa , canada , ehd hwc ca michael goddard \( 613 \) 954 fax \( 613 \) 952 b9 , environmental health centre , 's pasture , ottawa , canada ,
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject best radar detector keywords organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 19 article 1993apr26 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes hi photo speed traps , wondering anyone knows radar detectors capable detecting photo cameras \? , devices \? yup radar detectors detect ka band pick photo radar 's reflected poor ahead got nailed btw , many photo radar installations southern u became targets high powered rifles , lenses cow flop , etc i'm advocating destruction public property , get picture later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
res colnet cmhnet org \( rob stampfli \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization little none distribution inet lines 13 article transfer stratus com cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes article 1r3jgbinn35i eli cs yale edu jgfoot minerva cis yale edu writes perhaps encryption types would defend digitized porn posted encrypted \? paraphrase , may agree 're encrypting , defend right encrypt suppose waco , 's prudent leave death part rob stampfli rob colnet cmhnet org neat thing standards 614 864 ham radio oh many choose
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject trident 8800cs drivers win 3 1 \? organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 24 fast eddie \( jmarttila finabo abo fi \) wrote hello 've got old trident 8800cs svga card , lacking suitable drivers windows 3 1 drivers 8900 series seem incompatible anyone idea get drivers \? address ftp site would nice thanks advance jouni jouni yo 11 b 25 , 20540 turku , finland 358 21 jmarttila abo fi jmarttila finabo jmarttila utu fi pgp key available via finger jmarttila abo fi find drivers wuarchive wustl edu msdos windows3 sub directory think files called zip zip latest drivers available far know tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
subject mufti \? meanwhile support genocide bosnians yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet unm edu world std com benali alcor organization city university new york university computer center lines 6 condemn mufti nazi leanings , condemn supporters , also condemning similarly genocidal killing innocents , muslim , herzegovina \? hatred bigotry remain , matter practices yaakov k \( internet yzkcu cunyvm cuny edu \)
maclennan cc uregina ca \( maclennan , richard neil \) subject os better os , ! challenge ms supporters distribution world reply maclennan cc uregina ca organization university regina , regina , , canada lines 4 n't wasted enough bandwidth silly discussion already ! ! please flames let sanity prevail richard maclennan
murthy asl dl nec com \( vasudev murthy \) subject saudi clergy condemns debut human rights group ! keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues , politics nntp posting host organization nec america , inc irving tx lines 21 article optima cs arizona edu bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) writes deleted really \( others general west evil zionists rule hate west puppet crowd \) want , ilyess \? 's noteworthy posts west evil etc made islamic west west bad , come \? notice comfortably exercise rights free expression , something completely absent countries vasudev vasudev murthy opinions expressed strictly murthy asl dl nec com nothing advanced switching lab , nec america , inc
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject jews constantly went fear armenian greek attacks reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 163 article news cso uiuc edu ptg2351 uxa cso uiuc edu \( panos tamamidis \) writes simply want , thing greeks turkey turkish state recognize crimes greek minority , pardon \? history shows within last 170 years , greeks played game twice used istanbul patriarch instigate morea rebellion resulted massacres muslim people , orthodox patriarch constantine v invited russian czar nicholas ii invade ottoman empire 'in name jesus , ' save flock ottoman rule source medieval modern greek culture , , ed , kai , ' vol \( , calif , 1978 \) p 161 words professor , savage , greeks sang words 'let turk remain morea , whole world ' greeks determined achieve way knew war religious extermination leader ashkenazi community corlu complained president aiu alliance israelite universelle 1902 persistent greek attacks jewish quarter ''the fanatic greeks city , places thrace , habit , contrary spirit real christianity , making replica judas burning night holy saturday construct wooden figure , cover clothing claim ancient jews , burn publicly middle multitude ignorant fanatic often happens multitude , already excited tales suffering christ made church , appearance execution supposed betrayed christ , works great anger jews long time known year , day , cut heads arms corpses cemetery burn great make complaint order create differences two communities audacious madness fanatics increased see flames hear cries hatred vengeance jews '' 42 42 ashkenazi community , corlu , aiu , 2 may 1902 , aiu archives \( paris \) ii c 8 , report printed el 1 may 1902 source professor stanford j shaw , 'the jews ottoman empire turkish republic , ' new york university press , new york \( 1991 \) pages 202 203 , immediately new organic statute jewish community , jewish capital europe beginning effect istanbul , local armenians greeks started pogrom jews immediately across sea , terminus anatolia railroad , three hundred jews massacred many beaten raped disturbance stopped sultan sent personal guard across bay protect jews 39 later years , ritual murder attacks jews , carried mostly native greeks , armenians , , arab provinces , arab christians , often assistance local european consuls , took place throughout empire literally thousands incidents continuously world war , southeastern europe far west north , istanbul , dardanelles , salonica , arab provinces far south damascus beirut egypt cairo alexandria invariably resulted accusations spread among ottoman christians word mouth , published newspapers , often christian merchants anxious get jewish competitors way divert onto jews muslim anger reports christian massacres muslims southeastern europe central asia , resulting individual mob attacks jews , burning shops homes individual experiences horrible jews constantly went fear armenian greek attacks streets ottoman cities egypt syria , usually greeks led way , many cases assistance local armenians syrian christians , whose greek , arabic french language newspapers often printed rumors could find regarding jews , evidently desire violence syrian arab christians particular spread long standing anti semitic hatreds syria egypt , monopoly local press popular causes egyptian nationalism opposition british rule , enabled spread anti jewish message among muslim masses little question opposition 20 june 1890 , thus , sir evelyn \( later lord \) , british high commissioner egypt , received following report david , cairo , beg sir draw attention violent articles \( sic \) appeared arabic paper called el contained nothing lies false accusations jews , especially \( issues \) 14th , 17th 19th instant , sir , anti semitic party amidst fanaticism , greeks , armenians , etc , allowed continue poison people 's minds exaggeration painted words \? article , asserted jews use christian blood passover , course caused deal excitement '' 40 whenever greek orthodox religious authorities prominent greek business leaders consuls asked help stem violence reduce tension , invariably indicated cooperation failed anything prevent attacks punish stimulated led 41 leader ashkenazi community corlu complained president aiu alliance israelite universelle 1902 persistent greek attacks jewish quarter ''the fanatic greeks city , places thrace , habit , contrary spirit real christianity , making replica judas burning night holy saturday construct wooden figure , cover clothing claim ancient jews , burn publicly middle multitude ignorant fanatic often happens multitude , already excited tales suffering christ made church , appearance execution supposed betrayed christ , works great anger jews long time known year , day , cut heads arms corpses cemetery burn great make complaint order create differences two communities audacious madness fanatics increased see flames hear cries hatred vengeance jews '' 42 39 el , 28 april 1926 galante , istanbul , 185 galante , documents v , 340 41 40 fo 78 430 , enclosed 207 lord , cairo , 25 june 1890 , reprinted landau , murder , p 450 41 jacob landau , murder accusations persecutions jews nineteenth century , v \( 1961 \) , 425 427 example see report bulletin de israelite universelle serie \( paris \) , first 1881 , pp 66 67 galante also reported similar difficulties greek religious leaders teaching rhodes 42 ashkenazi community , corlu , aiu , 2 may 1902 , aiu archives \( paris \) ii c 8 , report printed el 1 may 1902 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
magnus acs ohio state edu \( teresa \) subject chicago visit nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 12 planning weekend chicago next month first live person cubs game \( ! ! ! \) would appreciate advice locals used locals stay , see , , etc e mail replies fine thanks advance ! teresa teresa ohio state university
lachman com \( steve alexander \) subject compiling mh 6 8 \( xmh \) sco 3 2 4 nntp posting host i88 isc com organization lachman technology , inc , naperville , il lines 62 article 1993apr30 vpbuild vp com jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) writes i'm trying get mh compiled \( xmh \) i'm problems 've got mh 6 8 , using gcc sco 3 2 4 mh file listed anyone suggestions add get compile \? \? 's one used \( \) id mh , v 1 7 90 04 06 09 44 31 sources exp sco 3 2 bin usr local bin bboards etc usr local lib mh mail usr spool mail mail lsocket mandir usr man cc gcc ccoptions traditional manuals none chown bin chown mts sendmail smtp pop debug signal void sprintf int options bind dumb rename sockets sys5 mime ' usr bin ' ' ' ' 700 ' ' 600 ' ' ' shadow curses ranlib may want use different locking style mailbox mounted nfs use style locking also applied following tweak c src public mh 6 8 c tue dec 15 10 55 22 1992 c tue apr 13 14 02 04 1993 24 , 30 include sys types h include sys stat h endif ! defined \( svr4 \) defined \( ncr \) include h endif 24 , 31 include sys types h include sys stat h endif ! defined \( svr4 \) defined \( ncr \) defined \( sys5 \) ! define 1024 include h endif took care everything man pages , installed hand good luck , steve steve alexander , lachman technology , inc lachman com \( 708 \) 505 9555 fax \( 708 \) 505 ! sun , ico ! !
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 21 brian kendig says since felt reasonably sure , decided start analyzing bible closely catalyst break faith , though long difficult effort brian kendig also declares christ means chosen , person chosen fulfill prophesies old testament bring new age hope spiritual growth mankind christ greek messiah messiah means annointed one means rub oil , e major prophet daniel uses word messiah daniel chapter 9 closely analyze bible \? looks n't get past first word catalyst break faith priests interpreted bible \? ever bereans paul 's teachings acts 17 \?
web 2h berkeley edu \( ong \) subject pc hand scan mac \? keywords scanner nntp posting host web 2h berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley lines 14 logitech hand scanner mac uses scsi interface box standard scanner unit plugs tried friend 's ibm hand scanner scsi box works see get logitech sell scsi box warning cost mac contained scsi interface box , could run around 200 upgraded old style scanner new gray scale model , cost 75 gave new scan head software box gray scale scanner interface runs 300 making around 200 interface
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jesup cbmvax cbm commodore com \( randell jesup \) subject products handle hdtv moving \( 180mb sec \) reply jesup cbmvax cbm commodore com \( randell jesup \) organization commodore , west chester , pa lines 31 co jp writes 'd like know system \( cpu hd array framebuffer \) play record hdtv quality moving picture realtime hdtv 6mb frame , recording playing moving picture need 180mb sec bandwidth i'm thinking treat raw data compressed actually , digital hdtv systems 's far higher bandwidth need , unless 's reason must work fully uncompressed hdtv also , calculations frame well 6mb , even using 24 bits pixel \( bits actually need 15 18 enough moving picture \) 3 5mb \( i'm guessing hdtv resolution may bit wider 1600 , i'm fairly sure 1100 number digital proposals \) hope fast memory system well 180mb displaying require heavily interleaved vram system unless compelling reason , 'd advise trying use least somewhat compressed data n't go full compression get level data io requirements much cheaper easier deal gnu emacs lisp operating system disguised word processor doug mohney , comp arch randell jesup , jack quite trades , commodore engineering jesup cbmvax commodore com rutgers ! cbmvax ! jesup bix disclaimer nothing say anything personal opinion
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject free moral agency organization case western reserve university lines 29 distribution na nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion appear absurd rather approach religion \( including \) rational manner debating claims stated , atheists concoct outrageous parodies hold religious accountable beliefs n't accurately term like , reasonable atheist 1 \) religious parodies , atheistic 2 \) please substantiate parodies , outrageous specifically , iup outrageous many religions \? private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject space marketing would wonderfull nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 50 article ovf almaak usc edu ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes idea goes , 's thin end wedge soon companies larger , , billboards sky would n't want world decades sky looks like las vegas would really make sad think moment technology required time could make earth 's sky look like las vegas , people could afford go moon round trip costs 500 kg moon would 5000 kg low earth advertising orbit roughly cost smallish billboard , therefore ads become common place , would low price night sky lunar trip would still pristine 's always problem get away civilization really find natural scenery 100 years ago , usually n't take trip 5 miles today , people would go 100 miles ever get point billboards orbit , essentially means place earth still wild may may good thing , orbital billboards n't problem symptom growing , densely populated civilization banning ads save view night sky , time ads could become widespread probably trouble finding place without street lights , see stars coca cola company want paint moon red white \( well , moon , moon jupiter \) ad moon jupiter would rather pointless , since need telescope see however , 'd love see get publicity could coca cola io orbital mapping probe want name galaxy already , extent iau allows names derived sponsors patrons scientific research money university astronomy program , one galactic astronomers could easily get newly discovered galaxy named frank crary cu boulder
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject god , morality , massacres organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 12 without quoting length preceeding post , 'd like say find much appropriate way dealing issues like holocaust bosnia asserting god punishing activity god always redemptive , means restoring lost , broken , distorted , god , , distortion , genocide , poverty , etc , nonetheless capable , willing , active restore , heal , mend , revdak netcom com
thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) subject cybele organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world anarky tch org 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet ss 113 apmaths uwo ca 93115 cunyvm bitnet lines 73 charles hope writes rome attack , sent advice oracle , said worship cybele 'll saved , cybele quintessential goddess , son lover , attis yucky idea ask ok book says , society \( turkey \) worshipped 1st black stone \( mecca ring bell maybe \? \? \? \? \) carried rome save hannibal response relation name \? paragraph seems indicate might understanding islam founded remains goddess cult two many muslims would like hear gets interesting romans called great mother \( magna mater \) , could reason many mary statues europe black , prob connected 've got mecca , 3rd cent ad supreme goddess lyons , france attis formed pine tree worshiped 25 mar rome ecstatic cult , priests wore drag , worked dance order initiate , lived lives women wore make jewelry whole bit primitive know goes india \( else \? \) thing meditation maybe , forget 's book \) course , weird russian romanian 18th cent xian cult kinds self , forget name response 'd love get details references exploration issue extended brief examination man woman , , university new mexico press , 1991 probably interesting things say 've yet procure details references ecstatic cults rome , india , russia romania \( christian \? \) exhibit type , male female \( though expect mostly former found \) thanks interesting posts , charles love ! ! ! ! come like shall whole law abyss thyagi nagasiva \( \) \( \) thyagi abyss com house 871 dr san jose , ca 95125 divination web telnet seismo soar cs cmu edu
desire wright edu subject sad mac code 0f0064 \? \? \? organization wright state university lines 10 hello proud new owner mac 512k upon power insertion sytem disk , get sad mac code 0f0064 anyone give clue means \? thanks steve
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject happy birthday israel ! organization department redundancy department lines 20 article 390 jcpltyo jcpl co jp ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) writes anybody know many jews , arabs , christians others died terrorist attacks wars 45 years due arab rhetoric \? number probably close 100 , 000 least lives wasted arabs accept partition plan 1947 well 100 , 000 lebanon alone 1 , 000 , 000 2 , 000 , 000 iran iraq conflict , even iranians n't arabs , strictly speaking \( seem hate zionists least much anyone else neighborhood correlation perhaps hating israel killing people \? \) jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
vincent garnet berkeley edu \( vincent j lee \) subject wanted center channel pref infinity polk organization university california , berkeley lines 4 distribution ba nntp posting host garnet berkeley edu i'm interested center channel home theater yu one would interested selling one please let know thanks prefer infinity polk audio
shaig think com \( shai guday \) subject israel apartheid state organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 302 nntp posting host composer think com article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes elias davidsson april 1991 \( revision oct 1991 \) note already posting facts , outdated biased presentation facts , well conclusions reach leave little hope engaging exchange might lead meeting minds read open mind , address international convention elimination forms racial discrimination adopted general assembly united nations 1965 , ratified member states article 1 convention defines term racial discrimination distinction , exclusion , restriction preference based race , colour , descent , national ethnic origin purpose effect recognition , enjoyment exercise , equal footing , human rights fundamental freedoms political , economic , social , cultural field public life ideals embodied text worthy goals , text currently stands know country racial discrimination sort found makes mention need legislative violation general assembly endorsed 1975 resolution defining zionism form racism racial discrimination important , correct legitimate resolution incomplete since include operative statements designed end israeli racial discrimination meanwhile united states , behalf israel , exerting heavy pressure member states united nations repeal resolution give israeli racial practices zionism moral legitimacy , principle , advocating un intervention via operative statements case , must therefore hold applied case council perceives form racial discrimination previously exhibited thought definition israel state belonging jews world \( inhabitants \) , native non jews born country actually , know quite native non jews born israel alienated law said , would probably correct , however tendency exagerate slant facts becomes apparent slant text practically non jews living originate areas israeli control , identify palestinians muslim , many christian jews , including author lines , also identify palestinians statement true practically beduins , , , fringe groups identification matter bearing upon issue could equally identify insert group zionism took europe end last century 's aim create jewish state palestine spite adamant opposition palestinian arabs \( 95 population \) recall correctly , time zionism took , adamant opposition palestine open factual contradictory evidence zionists powerful , militarily , economically technologically , succeeded 1948 conquering 70 area mandatory palestine driving exile native arabs conquered areas , approximately 750 , 000 people , razing villages ground , zionists could finally establish predominantly jewish state 150 , 000 non jews remained israeli territory therefore contend 400 villages mention villages \? jewish state established , began laws help confiscation land native non jews , political repression doubt laws passed provided framework later used purposes however , seem imply intention priori , implies policy agenda knowledge case also neglect mention circumstances surrounded , 1967 state israel invaded egypt syria occupied rest palestine \( west bank gaza strip \) thus another 1 5 million palestinians fell occupation palestinian arab territories considered illegal international community , reflected security council resolutions israel rejected u n resolutions began without delay occupation rule territories aim annexing appropriate time quite accurate israel rejected resolutions , though conflicting understanding regards israel never annexed sinai , west bank , gaza brought partly due un resolutions part , east jerusalem golan heights , already forcefully annexed israel , defiance international law un resolutions curiousity , provided granted citizenship , int'l law claim prohibits annexation territories captured war \? ever applied country previously \( iraq \) \? must emphasized , although people live different regimes , united self perception palestinians , people identifying palestine , territorial entity \( ethnic religious entity \) incorrect ! palestinians claim discriminated ethnic racial basis therefore statement incorrect also note given previous definition racial discrimination , means could argue however , nation existed definitely exist time creation israel , case argue racial discrimination period ! furthermore palestinians generally consider plo symbol national identity authority represents world affairs , , n't non jewish population living palestinian arab territories occupied israel 1967 suffers blatant discrimination subject brutal military occupation another generalization , , n't seem care anyone palestinian people , whose cause espouse licence , start business buy industrial equipment , right educate children , basic rights subject arbitrary rulings military authorities cannot challenged court incorrect ability appeal furthermore , although may agree , military rulings senseless arbitrary , due whims military much sizeof task organization jewish inhabitants occupied territories permitted carry firearms incorrect know two arab policemen lived course , outbreak intifada forced locals resign , bitterly jewish settlers right 6 7 water per person non jews jewish residents territories number 100 , 000 people israel policy increase number substantially , total defiance international law , un resolutions population state israel systematically land non jewish inhabitants territories jewish settlement longer true , ca n't help wonder purpose posting 800 , 000 people israel proper , jews consider palestinians israeli citizenship many years establishment israel subjected harsh military control much land confiscated state handed jewish organisations exclusive jewish settlement subject massacres , humiliation enjoy , jewish israelis , right vote , discriminated law practice , hell minorities n't fit , right \? many villages suffer way seem indicate , abu gosh comes mind yes , result actions \? approximately 92 surface state israel within lines purposes closed palestinians second class citizens israel may neither legally live land , rent cultivate direct effect policies native non jewish citizens israel denied residence membership rights rural communities israel , including collective settlements , kibbutzim non jews discriminated many ways government local authorities palestinian villages funds jewish city councils force palestinians live jewish families receive higher child non jewish neighbors , palestinian schools suffer \( compared jewish schools \) palestinian children denied right learn history literature israelis struggle equal rights end racial discrimination , suffer continuous harassment authorities 1 kibbutzim arab non jewish members members kibbutz legislation , purely non jewish collective 2 funds result political lobbying bearing mind non jews compose 20 voting population , never failed amaze fail form one large bloc , increase power recent elections case point 3 please provide factual evidence supporting allegation regard educational material obviously never seen curriculum school west bank based upon jordan 's school system 4 regard last statement , simply another gross generalization state israel refuses acknowledge state inhabitants although israeli cabinet never openly endorsed idea \( forced removal country native palestinian population , , ultimate \) , israeli government policies towards non jews bear mark attempt made zionist authorities integrate palestinian arabs israeli public life thus , although comprising approximately 17 population israeli citizens , palestinian citizen israel ever served cabinet member , director ministry national institution , judge supreme court , ambassador israel , leading position israeli economic financial life even director ministry arab affairs yes , thing exists ! jew another generalization , lets stop transfer idea espoused one party last gov't , intended solution problem territories , country regard items , recall least one arab ambassador , rest covered previously although sexual relations jews non jews legal , considered israeli zionist society somewhat betrayal jewish zionist ethics israeli educational system attitude systematic way last time israel \? simply true , quite time question religious intervention best answered proportional representation lack arab party bloc counter orthodox one zionism rejects idea modern secular state , based equality citizens one main reason israel produced written constitution simply incorrect answer political , failure understand dynamics movements inside israeli gov't , contentions zionism state jews privileged rights thus , according israeli law , jew born london , never visited israel , speak hebrew atheism , granted automatic israeli citizenship , native palestinian inhabitants happen christian muslim , treated almost aliens racial discrimination , defined international law , thus reflected israeli laws policies , grounded nature israel jewish state discrimination based upon race oops , sorry , nasty habit malicious false truths proposal israeli arab israeli palestinian peace address issue racial discrimination israel zionist nature state israel thus doomed fail real world intrusion proposal doomed fail course , would n't expect understand , wrapped view things let 's let anything penetrate shall ! \? 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cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) subject let 's play name game ! organization york university , toronto , canada lines 10 changing team names ! post choices ! 'll start baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes shawn go rangers ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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carter cae wisc edu \( carter gregory \) subject help ! test simms \? organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 31 well , always try find pc dealer sells guaranteed memory work company growing 40 year , order hundreds computers per year never fails , machines come bad simms wondering pc mac crashed tell always thought incompetent ass wrote designed software well , n't think way anymore , especially results gotten replacing bad simms machine others work moral story make sure memory good would willing bet lots simms either soft hard errors n't even know , every awhile bad simms makes life hell got plain sick dealing peoples complaints thier machine crashed lost thier work case wondering , n't already guessed work department service die line work , moral memory tested simm hardware tester n't mean simple little software programs run machine simms complicated little beasts needs special hardware test effectively interested getting one nifty little devices cheap , write back make life little bit easier , besides pay short time loss productivity people would deal thier machine commits suicide greg carter
jjb dtc hp com \( jim brewer \) subject daytona nntp posting host dtc hp com organization hp design technology center , santa clara , ca lines 4 article 569 news dtc hp com jjb dtc hp com \( jim brewer \) writes russell major problems getting onto banking chuck graves , believe
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hathaway stsci edu subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days lines 66 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article 1993apr30 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes article 64i access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu \( greg moore \) writes space walking , going boost hst 's orbit think right 's sitting 180 miles , would like 220 n't know exact orbit numbers ben says boost idea news us know something n't \? please supply source would nice schedulers observations know thing going altitude numbers also way best source minimum st altitude pmdb 573 kilometers maximum st altitude pmdb 603 kilometers delta st altitude pmdb 3 kilometers \( pmdb proposal management data base used schedule observations \) order perform boost hst , oms engines fired long period shuttle heavy thing hst n't light either amount oms fuel needed fly substantial small booster carried used boost hst 's weigh significantly less oms fuel required boost hst shuttle , given orbital change could supply calculations \? might check recent postings explained 'a small suggested exist , comparing mass something n't exist mass oms fuel seems impossible contamination threat also remains hst could even get placed sort medium orbit reason want high orbit , less antenna pointing , longer drag life longer drag life understand , could explain antenna pointing \? whatever , problem tilt array big constraint hst ops tell although arrays \( \) moved perfectly well utilizing second electronics box getting working much desireable reclaim redundancy pat n't mean jump helpful suggestions always welcome know ideas better , want true situation described clearly correctly , lest get confused regards , wm hathaway
anl gov \( chuck beck \) subject \? \? need device ntsc video scsi bus organization anl lines 11 anyone heard scsi device capture video \? need sort device capture 10 frames per second , work scsi bus idea use sort video conferencing application told went , would burn ears thoughts anl gov
mccullou cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject gulf war \( death penalty political atheists \? \) organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 46 article 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes looked back , asked questions various people got following information claimed pooh us sold iraq arms land mines already mentioned \? asked around one areas suggested , presented information got mention us given countries \( like kuwait \) information hard prove claiming us sold information \? prove information hard prove , almost certainly us sell information , fact classified , ca n't prove oh , neat dismiss everything say unless prove beyond shadow doubt something admit never prove satisfaction thanks , 'll stick circles mathew okay , going blindly believe things without reasonable evidence \? n't realize theist doubting claim presented without evidence support able present real evidence , great unsupported claims , even claims news agency accepted want stick sheer impossible , instead merely difficult , fine statement fact classified , ca n't prove , simple matter law access classified information know classified , reveal , good chance someone else \( person revealed \) , going jail never said could n't prove satisfaction , merely said difficult \( said try make things easy people arguing \) \( unless course , need \) mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
jhesse netcom com \( john hesse \) subject fighting clipper initiative organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 18 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes er , excuse since escrow agencies n't yet chosen , say history untrustworthy behavoir sic \? i'm sure us think agencies without history price kept secret academy awards many years , even damn , 're dead right ! pretty much settles worry john hesse man , jhesse netcom com plan , moss beach , calif canal , bob
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 20 nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes example , conversation suspect lawyer longer private big brother eavesdropping , almost 100 years later , right words problem phone calls virtual visits experienced virtual reality would know title phone calls need properties walk park friend security casual easy verification see anyone listening designed , fail trouble , telephones invented long time ago people n't realize danger concept virtual reality back disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
jvannes vms macc wisc edu subject long distance ir detection organization university wisconsin academic computing center distribution na lines 13 article 1993apr24 eas asu edu , gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) writes designed built hardware 1988 would output logic level \( 567 tone detector \) upon detecting 500 led 28 feet away used motorola , biased linearly dc feedback loop servo variations sunlight \( 60hz lights \) used lenses allen sullivan would interested knowing sensing hardware use detector \? could detect angle location , system simply respond presence transmitter sensors field view \?
graham toal gtoal gtoal com subject key registering bodies originator gtoal pizzabox demon co uk nntp posting host pizzabox demon co uk reply graham toal gtoal gtoal com organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines 11 article 7hl netcom com nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes since law requires wiretaps requested executive branch approved judicial branch , seems clear one key registering bodies control judicial branch suggest supreme court , , regionally , courts appeal specifically , offices clerks 've got better idea give one set kgb c washington embassy , set red chinese g
mike leah prc utexas edu \( michael kline \) subject iges formats organization population research center , ut austin lines 10 trying find anything available documentation iges \( arc info \) formats know anything formats \( one \) please send note n't read group , please send responses mike prc utexas edu thank mike kline
soenke wiwi12 uni bielefeld de \( soenke voss \) subject get window draw \? nntp posting host wiwi12 uni bielefeld de organization universitaet bielefeld keywords windows , widgets lines 23 task program x application first time severe difficulties creating window draw something unfortunately basic books topic x application programming available moment running hpux 8 07 , vue x11r4 using xt xaw initialized x intrinsics top level widget xtappinitialize passed application class name set argument values window height width using xtsetarg passed toplevel widget xtsetvalues call xtrealizewidget , get window specified size , idea draw something anybody send help perhaps basic information use widgets \? situation useful use \? thanks much advance soenke soenke voss faculty economics soenke wiwi12 uni bielefeld de university bielefeld germany
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 40 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) says article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? vw golf passat 2 8l vr6 \( inline v6 ! \) , narrow angle \( 11 deg \? \) , one head 15 audi 80 100 2 6 2 8l v6 v8 n't know audi v8 3 6 4 2l mbs bmws v12 jaguar xjs bmw 750 850 mb 600 please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden drew
subject date stuck l dragon lonestar org \( mel white \) distribution world organization two ravens bbs lines 12 date time problems , might problem dallas clock chip \( i'm making possibly bad assumption system clock chip 's standard dallas clock chip \) always look battery clock chip things go wrong least , first course action mel white data services city garland , texas mel white l dragon lonestar org two ravens bbs 1 214 618 asp member bbs fidonet 1 124 window world ! listserv lonestar org
stk1203 vax003 stockton edu subject internet resources x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 14 taking course entitled exploring science using internet final project , find compendium internet resources dealing science related topic chose astronomy anyway , wondering anyone knew interesting resources internet provide information astronomy , space , nasa , anything like thanks ! keith stk1203 vax003 stockton edu p box stockton state college pomona , new jersey
michael chpc utexas edu \( michael lemke \) subject universal phones days \? organization university texas system chpc lines 28 article utkvx utk edu iturriag utkvx utk edu \( mr \) writes quite sure illegality using regular american phone home system vaguely remember years ago , deutsche split , , telekom discussion new regulation know cordless cellular phones still approved telekom , hold true regular phones \? areacode germany \( , near koeln \) use touch tone dialing assume , however , areas still exclusively set pulse dialing last time checked \( jan '93 \) cologne areacode 221 still solely pulse dialing btw , touch tone become common germany , flourishing 1 900 services \( germany \) hope 'll isdn time affordable price idle wishes imply german tone dialing compatible american one \? know least british system supposedly close enough though american phone work modem \( american \) special setting british standards michael michael lemke astronomy , ut austin , texas \( michael io utexas edu io michael span \)
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject stop forcing ! new study gay percentage organization santa cruz lines 20 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article f3p murdoch acc virginia edu , gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) writes ah , ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy , university virginia force people associate others , yes forced everyday associate people wish , n't even law makes , becuase want go shopping , go work , go public park , go baseball game , etc process ending discrimination based upon rational concept men \( women , people \) created , equal standing chances society
liz netnews upenn edu \( mail sas upenn edu \) subject english \? organization society independent lines 11 anyone know whether , huge multi volume collection roman catholic produced , ever translated english \? i'm working would love able check translation somebody else 's email replies preferred , unless query turns general interest liz \( mail sas upenn edu \) department english ad dei university pennsylvania
drm6640 tesla njit edu subject best first basemen organization new jersey institute technology lines 2 nntp posting host tesla mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject winfield 's spot time greats team organization allegheny college lines 7 article kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes thanks numbers , portray true image many ways , accept first ones , second winfield ba really around 280
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject congress review atf 's status organization stratus computer , inc lines 19 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com keywords upi article cbnews cb att com , lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes washington \( upi \) part investigation deadly confrontation texas cult , congress consider whether bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms moved treasury department justice department , senators said wednesday idea considered violent fatal events beginning end agency 's confrontation branch davidian cult course smell , simply transfer contents plant hillary ! government smells fresh ! cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
georgian tigger jvnc net \( ops mgr \) subject sun scsi 2 host adapter sale \( 501 \) reply chen med columbia edu organization jvncnet lines 20 originator ens tigger jvnc net nntp posting host tigger jvnc net please reply seller sale sun scsi 2 host adapter assembly brand new unopened mylar sun part 501 50pin external connector compatible sun 3 100 200 , 4 200 300 machines available march 1 , 1993 originally purchased 1 , 200 eighteen months ago please email offers lee lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu
tomacj opco enet dec com \( thunderbirds go ! ! ! \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization digital equipment corporation lines 26 nntp posting host opco eliot right 2 2 liter engine second \( last \) generation mr2 's original guy indicate year mr2 's first generation car \( like '85 \) , 1 6 liter engine \( perhaps engine , 's '87 '89 \) sound describes common older toyota engine ever heard n't know relevance observations oil changes , simply makes noise annoying , mind hear well engine right behind left ear \) mike sorry 'bout mine '91 model non turbo 2 0 \( abs revised suspension \( whatever revised means \) \) i'm australia , always seem get versions without extras europeans americans get standard query , noise get noticeably louder 2 3 months oil change find bit wierd happens oil i'm using \( mobil 1 \) engine \( 3s ge version model \) ie gets older oil \( i'm guessing \) distressing anything , slightly puzzling puzzled
buck granite ma30 bull com \( ken buck \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) organization bull information systems inc distribution usa lines 18 wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) writes car recently destroyed hail storm fully expected get jerked around insurance company n't one hail damage state farm opened claim centers evenings weekends , flew additional adjusters dallas experience state farm , think 's important differentiate experience typical accident hail damage clearly fault owner , also tends well publicized media , 's ins co 's benefit respond promptly damage like n't imply anything likelihood future claims \( unless live area gets frequent damaging hail storms \) , 's reason stop covering 's lot different fault accidents theft related claims , may indicative claim patterns
festival ed ac uk \( g clark \) subject centi milli pedes lines 19 msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) writes anyone know posionous centipedes millipedes \? someone bitten , soon would medical treatment needed , would liable happen person \? \( clarification bitten one , house seems infested , want know 'just \) rebecca millipedes , understand , vegetarian , therefore almost certainly bite poisonous centipedes , although n't absolute knowledge , would tend think 're danger anything concerted assault several million g
hps jach hawaii edu \( henry stilmack hawaii sysmgr \) subject help building xview sparc classic lines 109 reply hps jach hawaii edu \( henry stilmack hawaii sysmgr \) organization uk canada netherlands joint astronomy centre , hilo , hawaii anyone help \? system sparc classic , solaris 2 1 , gcc 2 3 3 , x11r5 try build xview libraries \( xview3 , patched patch x11r5 solaris kit \) , get following error rm f ndet loop shared ndet loop gcc fpcc struct return e o2 build include usr x11r5 include dsysv 15 dos locale dos mmap ndet loop c l c gcc fpcc struct return o2 build include usr x11r5 include dsysv 15 dos locale dos mmap c x c shared ndet loop file included build include xview notify h 29 , build include xview private h 24 , x c 18 usr include sys ucontext h 25 parse error `sigset t' usr include sys ucontext h 25 warning end struct union usr include sys ucontext h 26 warning data definition type storage class usr include sys ucontext h 29 parse error ` ' usr include sys ucontext h 29 warning data definition type storage class file included build include xview private h 24 , x c 18 build include xview notify h 286 parse error ` ' build include xview notify h 286 warning data definition type storage class file included x c 35 usr include sys user h 226 undeclared , outside functions ndet loop c 71 undeclared , outside functions ndet loop c 85 variable `ndet incomplete type ndet loop c 88 parse error ` ' ndet loop c 88 warning data definition type storage class ndet loop c function `ndet fig sig ndet loop c 687 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 687 \( undeclared identifier reported ndet loop c 687 function appears \) ndet loop c function `ndet signal ndet loop c 751 parse error t' ndet loop c 764 `sigset t' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 764 parse error `newmask' ndet loop c 766 `newmask' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 769 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 777 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c 795 warning assignment makes pointer integer without cast ndet loop c 798 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c function `ndet send delayed ndet loop c 825 `sigset t' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 825 parse error `newmask' ndet loop c 837 `newmask' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 839 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 848 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c top level ndet loop c 1022 parse error ` ' ndet loop c 85 storage size `ndet n't known error code 1 make fatal error command failed target `ndet loop o' rm f ndet loop shared ndet loop gcc fpcc struct return e o2 build include usr x11r5 include dsysv 15 dos locale dos mmap ndet loop c l c gcc fpcc struct return o2 build include usr x11r5 include dsysv 15 dos locale dos mmap c x c shared ndet loop file included build include xview notify h 29 , build include xview private h 24 , x c 18 usr include sys ucontext h 25 parse error `sigset t' usr include sys ucontext h 25 warning end struct union usr include sys ucontext h 26 warning data definition type storage class usr include sys ucontext h 29 parse error ` ' usr include sys ucontext h 29 warning data definition type storage class file included build include xview private h 24 , x c 18 build include xview notify h 286 parse error ` ' build include xview notify h 286 warning data definition type storage class file included x c 35 usr include sys user h 226 undeclared , outside functions ndet loop c 71 undeclared , outside functions ndet loop c 85 variable `ndet incomplete type ndet loop c 88 parse error ` ' ndet loop c 88 warning data definition type storage class ndet loop c function `ndet fig sig ndet loop c 687 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 687 \( undeclared identifier reported ndet loop c 687 function appears \) ndet loop c function `ndet signal ndet loop c 751 parse error t' ndet loop c 764 `sigset t' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 764 parse error `newmask' ndet loop c 766 `newmask' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 769 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 777 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c 795 warning assignment makes pointer integer without cast ndet loop c 798 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c function `ndet send delayed ndet loop c 825 `sigset t' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 825 parse error `newmask' ndet loop c 837 `newmask' undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 839 undeclared \( first use function \) ndet loop c 848 parse error ` \) ' ndet loop c top level ndet loop c 1022 parse error ` ' ndet loop c 85 storage size `ndet n't known error code 1 make fatal error command failed target `ndet loop o' obviously , due problem encountered including sys ucontext h 've tried several approaches , ca n't get past point help would greatly appreciated nui , henry stilmack \) computing systems manager \) perform random uk netherlands canada joint astronomy centre \) senseless acts beauty 660 n place , hilo , hi \) hps jach hawaii edu 808 969 \)
garrett ingres com \( grep friend \) subject bush 's wi summary bye news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division lines 21 article usenet ins cwru edu , an030 cleveland freenet edu \( b writes previous article , garrett ingres com \( sky already fell \? \) says article 9304161803 aa23713 inet gw 2 pa dec com , blh uiboise idbsu edu \( broward l horne \) writes strongly urge consider moving savings overseas , protected bank accounts , still able \? went post office friday , got passport apps savings already converted bye nothing inevitable mistake whose time garrett johnson come garrett ingres com probability someone watching proportional stupidity action unknown
cuz chaos cs brandeis edu \( cousin \) subject jack morris organization brandeis university lines 19 aardvark cygnus la locus com \( warren usui \) writes , alfredo griffin better barry larkin rings 're judging , n't see point , since barry one \( 1990 \) yes alfredo least two ! ! \( 1988 dodgers 1992 blue jays \) , world series rings different teams babe ruth lou gehrig combined ! ! \( know yankee dynasty due third \? \) warren , agree premise babe two teams 's right , part red sox dynasty everyone knows yankee would n't happened without thier famous bullpen catcher whose name escapes moment cuz
ca \( tanya \) subject help ! organization internet lines 15 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu beginning try using athena toolkit problems getting started think files missing system , possibility different directory try link program ca n't find , xtrealizewidget , xtmainloop , xtcreatemanagedwidget , 've included intrinsic h command h also problem compile replaced null order compile see problems n't used toolkit simply example got manuel someone tell might look calls , , file directory supposed system manager n't believe standard directories generally things way \( using unix \) thank assistance j
ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! distribution world organization dundee institute technology lines 19 article da2 menudo uh edu , hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) writes problem fbi monolithic entity requires everybody involved keep mouths shut tended behave like total idiots , make , either one nutcase agent , serves purpose blame whole agency great deal documentation exists exactly phenomenon especially regarding vietnam mai lai \( sp \? \) massacre i'm suggesting started purpose even know accidentally started \( contributed \) sure initial reaction lie remember iranian airliner us navy mistook fighter shot \? alan greig janet greig uk ac dct dundee institute technology internet greig dct ac uk tel \( 0382 \) 308810 \( int 44 382 308810 \) never underestimate power human stupidity
craig nsr hp com \( craig \) subject 3ds normal array \? \? \? organization hewlett packard neely golden gate area \( northern calif \) lines 12 anyone truely understand invalid normal array error 3ds gives rendering \? seems present rendering complicated images problem rendering command line , however would nice render inside editor memory problem \? \? \? craig
jott scarecrow cse nd edu \( john ott \) subject food reply jott scarecrow cse nd edu \( john ott \) organization univ notre dame lines 26 article sci electronics newsgroups sci electronics path news nd edu ! spool mu edu ! howland reston ans net ! bogus sura net ! news feed 1 peachnet edu ! gatech ! ! ! ! schuch schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject food dehydrators message id 1993apr19 phx mcd mot com sender news phx mcd mot com nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az distribution usa date mon , 19 apr 93 10 43 56 est lines 9 anybody one food dehydrators 've seeing late night tv recently \? wondering use forced air , heat , 's heat involved , anybody know temperature run \? wife would like one i'm inclined pay 100 00 box , fan heater seems able throw dehydrator together bucks heck , technology \? 1 , 000 years old \? john try mother earth news , feb march 1993 , pg 54 , build food dryer john
jonathan comp lancs ac uk \( mr j j trevor \) subject exchange software \? organization department computing lancaster university , uk lines 15 anyone would like get rid software please get touch ive got loads snes genesis megadrive software id like trade even partially \( e ill also pay \) let know interested cheers jonathan phone 44 524 address department computing ' ' fax 44 524 lancaster university e mail jonathan comp lancs ac uk lancaster , lancs , u k
cch coventry ac uk \( martin \) subject ftp site \( \) gifs nntp posting host cc sysh organization fire walk lines 11 looking around ftp sites cannot find one good gif files could someone please tell ftp sites posses goods gifs wide range please email address thanks martin
nyx cs du edu \( h anthony chung \) subject localized fat reduction due exercise \( question \) organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 9 wondering exercises specific particular regions body \( thighs \) basically tone thighs , fat parts body \( breasts \) would affected much h anthony chung c amigas case western reserve university r school dentistry future hac po cwru edu \( cabal irc \) ac
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject ranger fans \? \? \? \? \? organization university pittsburgh lines 16 article 1993apr22 101356 1 eagle wesleyan edu kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu writes far stanley cup goes think 's one team test pittsburgh 's detroit would entertaining hard fought series mario amazing ! kurt mario makes pat walker sounds like type would bring ak 47 game take pot shots mario \( stand still dam \) joseph stiehm
marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject marian apparitions 1 organization ft lauderdale , fl lines 56 blessed virgin mary appeared catherine , sisters charity july 18 , 1830 rue du , paris sister catherine awakened late night small boy , age 5 6 , literally glowing sort interior light child led sanctuary chapel promised virgin mary found awaiting lady appeared instructed two hours matters pertaining life future france world november 27 lady appeared catherine instructed medal struck told wore medal would enjoy special protection mother god would receive great less year three apparitions june reality many reports received wore within two years issuing medal known miraculous medal catherine died 1876 body day remarkably preserved \( \) july 27 , 1947 body lies chapel rue du first meeting lady apparition november 27 1830 average height clothed white veil flowed head fell floor altar , pyramid painted represent god 's knowing wisdom looked lady 's feet rested white globe also green serpent yellow spots stepping hands golden ball represented world great streams light issued hands also showed catherine image two hearts , sacred heart wrapped piercing heart sword sword represented suffering jesus apparitions announced onset great battle dark era lay immediate future apparition leading recent ones lady began dispense secrets globe revealed worldwide dispute forces dark told catherine times evil fall upon france throne overturned entire world overcome evils kinds refer books st catherine lady 's messages copy medal also available catholic bookstores post marian events every days including ones happening today still investigation postings serve introduce events please look understand reason increasing number urgency apparitions mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com lost los angelino
mike tancsa mike tancsa canrem com subject help second hd install reply mike tancsa mike tancsa canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution comp lines 25 considering adding 386 system equipped maxtor hd , second maxtor 245 meg hd assume problem however , remember reading somewhere , needed reformat original drive \? true \? \? drive full really n't like idea installing everything floppy ! ! please e mail , post group mike mike tancsa internet 1 mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca waterloo , ontario 2 mike tancsa canrem com canada rosereader 2 10 entered crs canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( real \) subject trivia question organization university buffalo lines 27 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu , caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? clint malarchuk 's neck cut uwe krupp 's skate know happened buffalo , ca n't tell krupp defending opposing attacker charging net malarchuk became fourth goalie \( behind hasek , puppa draper \) suffering obsessive compulsive disorder 's playing san diego former sabre coach rick krupp playing islanders lafontaine turgeon trade win \? \) patrick ubvms cc buffalo edu always said state university new york buffalo something fundamentally wrong universe aka jay walker , 1 arthur dent
pitt edu \( richard thorne \) subject israeli terrorism organization university pittsburgh lines 18 andi beyer writes shame austria , daily reports inhuman acts commited israeli soldiers blessing received government makes holocaust guilt go away , look jews treating races got power unfortunate turned around feel guilty actions wwii , n't , justify anti making every israeli action atrocity , germans europeans extensive trading relations arab block pro arab good business n't think ethics thing richard thorne rdt med pitt edu
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject religion cause \( islamic authority women \) nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 19 scott sauyet \( ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \) wrote works horrors history claim christianity little crusades inquisition deny awesome power comes faith absolute seems twisting reasonable statement religion never solitary cause evil unreasonable statement religion evil impacts history absurd scott , paragraph would willingly amend earlier statements , since point \( \) well made generally accurate last part though slips hyperbole since 've discussed objections generalizations , really n't feel need n't seen posts , ask maddi , saves everything write bill
spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject rgb hvs , back organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 21 nntp posting host pitstop ucsd edu article 1993apr28 htsa aha nl htsa aha nl \( remco \) writes little question need convert rgb coded \( red green blue \) colors hvs coded \( hue value \) colors anyone know formulas use \? little answer see foley , van dam , feiner , hughes , computer graphics principles practice , second edition people would read book , 75 percent questions would disappear overnight spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 car car , bumper strip seen 805
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject christian morality organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing lines 44 article 4949 eastman uucp , dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) wrote article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes yet still believer god concerned disposition \? beneath provide evidence would require believe \? evidence personality , given god , would find compelling \? fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love would n't punish eternal torture n't love decent chap seems god n't responsibility love god take step toward promises , look 've looked , n't another promise broken doubt dispute givin sincere effort lying bastard ! know effort given \? simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know learn must accept n't know anyone 's said \? peter n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
hawkwind central sun com \( bob netherton \) subject geronimo pena \? organization sun microsystems lines 23 distribution world reply bob netherton dallas central sun com nntp posting host hawkwind central sun com article 1993apr20 1 eagle wesleyan edu , eagle wesleyan edu writes hey 've noticed luis alicea starting 2nd cardinals instead geronimo pena pena hurt , benched poor performance \? anyone know \? quick start , pena stuck rut torre gave alicea start try get pena whatever funk worked past bob h bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems mp dallas , tx \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \)
mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 27 nntp posting host earth cs utexas edu article vtserf cc vt edu ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) writes course , get moderate amount flamage expressing opinion , matter opinion somebody flame bill ranck \( 703 \) 231 9503 bill ranck vt edu hey , hell mean \? suck god given right express opinions , carry gun wear helmet , goddamn everything stand stupid know , alan , really like one tommy mcguire mcguire cs utexas edu mcguire austin ibm com append appropriate disclaimer outgoing public information , identifying personal independent ibm
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject islam scientific predictions \( genocide caused atheism \) organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 20 article 1993apr19 monu6 cc monash edu au darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes \( deletion \) \( god \) one created night , day , sun moon travelling orbit motion \( qur'an 33 \) positive aspect verse noted dr maurice bucaille geocentrism commonly accepted notion time \( long time afterwards \) , notion geocentrism verse \( anywhere qur'an \) well , certainly different , looks translation found everything way , surprised hear night day move orbit sun travels orbit without saying earth , , sounds geocentric benedikt
subject hits stolen 1992 grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) organization etc organization nntp posting host germain harvard edu reply steph pegasus cs uiuc edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 23 54 08 gmt lines 35 article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu , dale stephenson writes nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared average fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared avg fielder national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops lankford , r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez , 21 5 16 660 butler , b 1 29 5 088 716 american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops wilson , w 47 26 0 125 787 felix , j 22 0 32 713 suspect splits result positioning outfielder fast gets good jump would expected catch lot balls , preventing singles doubles , also cut balls , doubles singles however , fielder plays shallow catch short flies fewer long flies means allow fewer singles doubles anyone seen players' positioning \? butler felix play deep , lankford , martinez , wilson shallow , park effect \? thought butler liked play shallow david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks
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tgl cs cmu edu \( tom lane \) subject jpeg image compression frequently asked questions summary useful info jpeg \( jpg \) image files programs keywords jpeg , image compression , faq supersedes jpeg faq g gp cs cmu edu nntp posting host g gp cs cmu edu reply jpeg info uunet uu net organization school computer science , carnegie mellon expires mon , 14 jun 1993 03 21 00 gmt lines 1041 archive name jpeg faq last modified 16 may 1993 faq article discusses jpeg image compression suggestions additions clarifications welcome new since version 2 may 1993 added info next article includes following sections 1 jpeg \? 2 use jpeg \? 3 use jpeg , stick gif \? 4 well jpeg compress images \? 5 good quality settings jpeg \? 6 get jpeg software \? 6a canned software , viewers , etc 6b source code 7 's hoopla color quantization \? 8 jpeg work \? 9 lossless jpeg \? 10 argument file formats \? 11 recognize file format , \? 12 arithmetic coding \? 13 loss accumulate repeated compression decompression \? 14 rules thumb converting gif images jpeg \? sections 1 6 basic info every jpeg user needs know sections 7 14 advanced info curious article posted every 2 weeks always find latest version news answers archive rtfm mit edu \( 18 70 0 226 \) ftp , fetch pub usenet news answers jpeg faq n't ftp , send e mail mail server rtfm mit edu body send usenet news answers jpeg faq many faq articles also stored archive instructions use archive , send e mail address words help index \( quotes \) separate lines n't get reply , server may misreading return address add line path specify correct e mail address reply 1 jpeg \? jpeg \( pronounced jay peg \) standardized image compression mechanism jpeg stands joint photographic experts group , original name committee wrote standard jpeg designed compressing either full color gray scale digital images natural , real world scenes work well non realistic images , cartoons line drawings jpeg handle black white \( 1 bit per pixel \) images , handle motion picture compression standards compressing types images worked committees , named jbig mpeg respectively jpeg lossy , meaning image get decompression n't quite identical originally put algorithm achieves much compression exploiting known limitations human eye , notably fact small color details n't perceived well small details light dark thus , jpeg intended compressing images looked humans plan machine analyze images , small errors introduced jpeg may problem , even invisible eye useful property jpeg degree lossiness varied adjusting compression parameters means image maker trade file size output image quality make extremely small files n't mind poor quality useful indexing image archives , making thumbnail views icons , etc etc conversely , n't happy output quality default compression setting , jack quality satisfied , accept lesser compression 2 use jpeg \? two good reasons make image files smaller , store 24 bit per pixel color data instead 8 bit per pixel data making image files smaller big win transmitting files across networks archiving libraries images able compress 2 mbyte full color file 100 kbytes makes big difference disk space transmission time ! \( comparing gif jpeg , size ratio like four one details \) viewing software n't support jpeg directly , 'll convert jpeg format viewing manipulating images even jpeg capable viewer , takes longer decode view jpeg image view image simpler format \( gif , instance \) thus , using jpeg essentially time space tradeoff give time order store transmit image cheaply 's worth noting network phone transmission involved , time savings transferring shorter file much greater extra time decompress file 'll let arithmetic reason jpeg gradually replace gif standard usenet posting format jpeg store full color information 24 bits pixel \( 16 million colors \) instead 8 less \( 256 fewer colors \) 8 bit display hardware may seem like much advantage within couple years , though , 8 bit gif look obsolete black white macpaint format today furthermore , reasons detailed section 7 , jpeg far useful gif exchanging images among people widely varying color display hardware hence jpeg considerably appropriate gif use usenet posting standard 3 use jpeg , stick gif \? jpeg going displace gif entirely types images , gif superior image quality , file size , one first things learn jpeg kinds images apply rule thumb , jpeg superior gif storing full color gray scale images realistic scenes means scanned photographs similar material jpeg superior even n't 24 bit display hardware , lot superior \( see section 7 details \) gif significantly better images distinct colors , cartoons line drawings particular , large areas pixels exactly color compressed efficiently indeed gif jpeg ca n't squeeze files much gif without introducing visible defects sort image best kept gif form \( particular , single color borders quite cheap gif files , avoided jpeg files \) jpeg also hard time sharp edges row pure black pixels adjacent row pure white pixels , example sharp edges tend come blurred unless use high quality setting , sort thing found scanned photographs , shows fairly often gif files borders , overlaid text , etc particularly objectionable text 's pixels high gif lot small size overlaid text , n't jpeg computer drawn images \( ray traced scenes , instance \) usually fall scanned images cartoons terms complexity complex subtly rendered image , likely jpeg well goes semi realistic artwork \( fantasy drawings \) plain black white \( two level \) images never converted jpeg need least 16 gray levels jpeg useful gray scale images also noted gif lossless gray scale images 256 levels , jpeg existing library gif images , may wonder whether convert jpeg lose little image quality \( section 7 , argues jpeg image quality superior gif , applies formats start full color original start gif , 've already lost great deal information jpeg make things worse \) however , disk space savings may justify converting anyway decision 'll make convert gif library jpeg , see section 14 hints prepared leave images gif format , since gifs convert well 4 well jpeg compress images \? pretty darn well sample file sizes image handy , full color image ship harbor first three files comparison purposes rest created free jpeg software described section 6b file size bytes comments ship ppm original file ppm format \( compression 24 bits 3 bytes per pixel , plus bytes overhead \) ship ppm z ppm file passed unix compress compress n't accomplish lot , 'll note text oriented compressors give similar results ship gif converted gif ppmquant fs 256 savings result losing color info gif saves 8 bits pixel , 24 \( see sec 7 \) ship cjpeg q 95 \( highest useful quality setting \) indistinguishable 24 bit original , least ship cjpeg q 75 \( default setting \) look mighty darn close distinguish original , even screen ship cjpeg q 50 slight defects know look , could tell 's without seeing original still good image quality many recent postings usenet pictures groups ship cjpeg q 25 jpeg 's characteristic blockiness becomes apparent setting \( djpeg helps \) still , 've seen plenty usenet postings poorer image quality ship cjpeg q 5 optimize \( optimize cuts table overhead \) , perfectly satisfactory preview indexing purposes note file tiny compression ratio original 173 1 ! case jpeg make file 's factor four five smaller gif comparable quality \( q 75 file every bit good gif , better full color display \) seems typical ratio real world scenes 5 good quality settings jpeg \? jpeg compressors let pick file size vs image quality tradeoff selecting quality setting seems widespread confusion meaning settings quality 95 mean keep 95 information , claimed quality scale purely arbitrary 's percentage anything name game using jpeg pick lowest quality setting \( smallest file size \) image indistinguishable original setting vary one image another one observer another , rules thumb default quality setting \( q 75 \) often best choice setting lowest go without expecting see defects typical image try q 75 first see defects , go except experimental purposes , never go q 95 saying q 100 produce file two three times large q 95 , hardly better quality image less perfect quality begin , might able go q 50 without objectionable degradation hand , might need go higher quality setting avoid degradation second case seems apply much time converting gifs jpeg default q 75 right compressing 24 bit images , q 85 95 usually better converting gifs \( see section 14 info \) want small file \( say preview indexing purposes \) prepared tolerate large defects , q setting range 5 10 right q 2 may amusing op art \( note quality settings discussed article apply free jpeg software described section 6b , many programs based jpeg implementations , image alchemy , may use completely different quality scale programs n't even provide numeric scale , high medium low style choices \) 6 get jpeg software \? programs described section available ftp n't know use ftp , see faq article find sources \( n't direct access ftp , read ftpmail servers article \) article appears regularly news answers , get sending e mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers finding sources body anonymous ftp list faq may also helpful 's usenet news answers ftp list faq news answers archive note list changes constantly copy couple months old , get latest jpeg faq news answers archive 6a looking canned software , viewers , etc first part list system specific programs run one kind system n't see want machine , check portable jpeg software described end list note list concentrates free shareware programs obtain internet commercial programs listed x windows xv \( shareware , 25 \) excellent viewer jpeg , gif , many image formats also format conversion simple image manipulations 's available ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) , file contrib xv 3 00 tar z version 3 00 major upgrade support 24 bit displays many improvements however , brand new still bugs lurking prefer bleeding edge , stick version 2 21 , also available export note version 2 21 good choice 24 bit display \( 'll get 8 bit color \) , converting 24 bit images jpeg 2 21 works fine converting gif 8 bit images jpeg caution glitch version 2 21 sure check save normal size saving jpeg file , file blurry another good choice x windows john cristy 's free imagemagick package , also available export lcs mit edu , file contrib imagemagick tar z package handles many image processing conversion tasks imagemagick viewer handles 24 bit displays correctly colormapped displays , better \( though slower \) color quantization xv basic free jpeg software large , complex packages want simple image viewer , try xloadimage xli xloadimage supports jpeg latest release , 3 03 xloadimage free available export lcs mit edu , file contrib xloadimage 3 03 tar z xli variant version xloadimage , said fans somewhat faster robust original \( current xli indeed faster robust current xloadimage , least respect jpeg files , ijg v4 decoder xloadimage 3 03 using hacked v1 next xloadimage release fix \) xli also free available export lcs mit edu , file contrib xli 1 14 tar z programs said right thing 24 bit displays ms dos covers plain dos windows os 2 programs , see next headings one good choice eric praetzel 's free dvpeg , views jpeg gif files current version , 2 5 , available ftp sunee uwaterloo ca \( 129 97 50 50 \) , file pub jpeg viewers zip good basic viewer works either 286 386 486 machines user interface flashy , 's functional another freeware jpeg gif tga viewer mohammad 's hiview current version , 1 2 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip hiview requires 386 better cpu vcpi compatible memory manager \( qemm386 386max work windows os 2 \) hiview currently fastest viewer images bigger screen larger images , scales image fit screen \( rather using panning scrolling viewers \) may may prefer approach , 's denying slows loading large images considerably note installation bit tricky read directions carefully ! shareware alternative colorview dos \( 30 \) easier install either two freeware alternatives user interface also much looking , although personally find harder use keystrokes , inconsistent behavior faster dvpeg little slower hiview , least hardware \( images larger screen size , dvpeg colorview seem speed , faster hiview \) current version 2 1 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip requires vesa graphics driver n't one , look zip vesa tsr zip directory \( many recent pcs built vesa driver , n't try load vesa driver unless colorview complains driver missing \) second shareware alternative fullview , kicking around net , n't know stable archive location current \( rather old \) version inferior viewers anyway author tells new version fullview shortly submitted simtel20 archives time well known gif viewer \( cshow \) supports jpeg latest revision , 8 however , cshow 's jpeg implementation n't good 's slow \( half speed viewers \) image quality poor except hi color displays bad 'd nice see good jpeg capability cshow shareware , 25 available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos gif zip due remarkable variety pc graphics hardware , one viewers might work particular machine ca n't get work , 'll need use one following conversion programs convert jpeg gif , view favorite gif viewer \( hi color hardware , n't use gif intermediate format try find targa capable viewer instead 0 right thing hi color displays \) independent jpeg group 's free jpeg converters simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics jpeg4 zip \( zip 386 extended memory \) files dos free source code described section 6b convert jpeg gif , targa , ppm formats handmade software offers free jpeg gif conversion tools , gif2jpg jpg2gif slow limited conversion gif format particular , ca n't get 24 bit color output jpeg major advantage tools read write hsi 's proprietary jpeg format well usenet standard jfif format since hsi format files rather widespread bbses , useful capability version 2 0 tools free \( prior versions shareware \) get simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip note use hsi format files posted internet , since readable non pc platforms handmade software also shareware image conversion manipulation package , image alchemy translate jpeg files \( jfif hsi formats \) many image formats also display images demo version image alchemy version 1 6 2 available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip note simtel20 internet 's key archive site pc related programs simtel20 , full name wsmr simtel20 army mil \( 192 88 110 20 \) simtel20 runs non unix system weird directory names document refers directory \( eg \) msdos graphics simtel20 , really means pd1 msdos graphics physically milnet , expect rather slow ftp transfer rates simtel20 several internet sites maintain copies \( mirrors \) simtel20 archives ftp users go one mirror sites instead popular usa mirror site oak oakland edu \( 141 210 10 117 \) , keeps simtel20 files \( eg \) pub msdos graphics ftp capability , retrieve files simtel20 e mail see informational postings comp archives msdos announce find outside usa , consult newsgroup learn nearest simtel20 mirror microsoft windows several windows programs capable displaying jpeg images \( windows viewers generally slower dos viewers hardware , due windows' system overhead note run dos conversion programs described inside windows dos window \) newest entry , free extremely fast version 1 0 available ftp rahul net , file pub bryanw pc jpeg zip requires windows 3 1 256 colors mode frills viewer bad habit hogging machine completely decodes image quality noticeably worse viewers 's fast 'll use anyway , least previewing jview freeware , fairly fast , good line help , write image windows bmp format ca n't create new jpeg files , n't view gifs jview also lacks useful features shareware viewers \( brightness adjustment \) , 's excellent basic viewer current version , 0 9 , available ftp cica indiana edu \( 129 79 20 84 \) , file pub pc win3 desktop zip \( mirrors archive found internet sites , including wuarchive wustl edu \) winjpeg \( shareware , 20 \) displays jpeg , gif , targa , tiff , bmp image files write formats , used converter nifty features including color balance adjustment slideshow current version 2 1 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos windows3 zip \( slow 286 compatible version register , 'll get 386 version , roughly 25 faster \) colorview another shareware entry \( 30 \) early promising contender , updated time , point real advantages winjpeg want try anyway , current version 0 97 , available ftp cica indiana edu , file pub pc win3 desktop zip \( understand new version appearing authors finished colorview dos \) dvpeg \( see dos heading \) also works windows , full screen mode , window os 2 following files available hobbes nmsu edu \( 128 123 35 151 \) note check pub uploads recent versions hobbes moderator fast moving uploads permanent directories pub os2 2 x graphics zip 32 bit version free ijg conversion programs , version 4 pub os2 graphics jpeg4 16 zip 16 bit version , os 2 1 x pub os2 2 x graphics zip image archiver 1 02 image conversion viewing pm graphical interface strong conversion functions , viewing bit weaker shareware , 15 pub os2 2 x graphics zip 1 1 os 2 2 x port winjpeg , popular viewer windows \( see description windows section \) shareware , 20 pub os2 2 x graphics zip 0 85 jpeg gif bmp targa pcx viewer gif viewing fast , jpeg viewing roughly speed two programs image manipulation slideshow functions shareware , 20 macintosh mac jpeg programs rely apple 's jpeg implementation , part quicktime system extension need quicktime installed use quicktime , need 68020 better cpu need running system 6 0 7 later \( 're running system 6 , must also install 32 bit quickdraw extension built system 7 \) get quicktime ftp ftp apple com , file dts mac quicktime quicktime hqx \( 11 92 , file contains quicktime 1 5 , better qt 1 0 several ways respect jpeg , marginally faster considerably less prone crash fed corrupt jpeg file however , applications seem compatibility problems qt 1 5 \) mac users keep mind quicktime 's jpeg format , pict jpeg , usenet standard jfif jpeg format \( see section 10 details \) post images usenet , make sure jfif format programs mentioned generate either format first choice probably jpegview , free program viewing images jfif format , pict jpeg format , gif format also convert two jpeg formats current version , 2 0 , big improvement prior versions get sumex aim stanford edu \( 36 44 0 6 \) , file info mac app jpeg view 20 hqx requires system 7 quicktime 8 bit displays , jpegview usually produces best color image quality currently available mac jpeg viewers jpegview view large images much less memory mac viewers fact , 's one deal jpeg images much 640x480 pixels typical 4mb mac given large image , jpegview automatically scales fit screen , rather presenting scroll bars like viewers \( zoom desired portion , though \) people like behavior , n't overall , jpegview 's user interface well thought gifconverter , shareware \( 40 \) image viewer converter , supports jfif pict jpeg , well gif several image formats latest version 2 3 2 get sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac art gif gif converter 232 hqx requires system 6 0 5 later gifconverter better jpegview plain jpeg gif viewer , much extensive image manipulation format conversion capabilities , may find worth shareware fee lot playing around images also , newest version gifconverter load save jfif images without quicktime , best bet machine old run quicktime \( 's faster quicktime \) note gifconverter runs memory trying load large jpeg , try converting file gif jpeg convert , viewing gif version jpeg convert , mac version free ijg jpeg conversion utilities , available sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac app jpeg convert 10 hqx run mac , file conversion , viewing use conjunction gif viewer previous versions faq recommended imagery jpeg v0 6 , jpeg gif converter based old version ijg code using program , definitely replace jpeg convert apple 's free program pictpixie view images jfif , quicktime jpeg , gif format , convert formats get pictpixie ftp apple com , file dts mac quicktime qt 1 0 stuff pictpixie hqx requires quicktime pictpixie intended developer 's tool , 's really best choice unless like fool around quicktime drawbacks requires lots memory , produces relatively poor color image quality anything less 24 bit display , relatively unfriendly user interface worse , pictpixie unsupported program , meaning minor bugs apple intend fix \( old version pictpixie , called , floating around net trash , 's even also , quicktime starter kit includes much cleaned descendant pictpixie called picture compressor note picture compressor free may distributed net \) storm technology 's picture decompress free jpeg viewer converter rather old program inferior programs many ways , run without system 7 quicktime , may forced use older systems \( need 32 bit quickdraw , really old machines ca n't use \) get sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac app picture decompress 201 hqx must set file type downloaded image file 'jpeg' allow picture decompress open machine old run 32 bit quickdraw \( mac plus instance \) , gifconverter choice single program jpeg viewing n't want pay gifconverter , use jpeg convert free gif viewer commercial mac applications supporting jpeg , although deal usenet standard jfif format adobe photoshop , version 2 0 1 later , read write jfif format jpeg files \( use jpeg plug acquire menu \) must set file type downloaded jpeg file 'jpeg' allow photoshop recognize amiga \( programs listed section stored aminet archive amiga physik unizh ch \( 130 60 80 80 \) many mirror sites archive try use closest one usa , good choice wuarchive wustl edu look mirrors amiga physik unizh ch \) plus excellent jpeg viewer converter , well general image manipulation tool 's cheap \( shareware , 20 \) read several formats besides jpeg current version 2 0 8 demo version available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx edit lha demo version crop images larger 512x512 , otherwise fully functional rend24 \( shareware , 30 \) image renderer display jpeg , ilbm , gif images program used create animations , even capturing frames fly rendering packages like lightwave current version 1 05 , available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx lha \( note although directory supposedly amigados 3 0 programs , program also run amigados 1 3 , 2 04 2 1 \) viewtek free jpeg ilbm gif anim viewer current version 1 04 , available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx show lha 're willing spend real money , several commercial packages support jpeg two written thomas krehbiel , author rend24 viewtek cinemorph , standalone image morphing package , , impressive 24 bit image capture , conversion , editing , painting , effects package also includes cinemorph distributed great valley products art department professional \( adpro \) , inc , widely used commercial image manipulation software amigas , black belt systems , another well regarded commercial graphics package jpeg support free ijg jpeg software available compiled amigas amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) directory amiga gfx conv , file lha programs convert jpeg ppm , gif , targa formats amiga world heavily infested quick dirty jpeg programs , many based ancient beta test version free ijg jpeg software \( thanks certain magazine published disk month , without much notifying authors \) among , , , probably others even heard opinion , anything older ijg version 3 \( march 1992 \) worth disk space 's stored program , trash get something newer atari st free ijg jpeg software available compiled atari st , tt , etc , atari archive umich edu , file atari graphics zoo programs convert jpeg ppm , gif , targa formats monochrome st monitors , try , manages achieve four level grayscale effect flickering version 4 1 reads jpeg files available atari archive umich edu , file atari graphics zoo heard free shareware jpeg capable viewers ataris , surely must \? pointers appreciated acorn archimedes ! , supplied risc os 3 version 3 10 , convert view jpeg jfif format provision also made convert images jpeg , although must done rather double clicking recent versions \( since 7 11 \) shareware program translator handle jpeg , along 30 image formats older versions found archimedes bboards , current version available registering author , john , 31 , wj , enschede , netherlands price 35 dutch \( 22 10 pounds \) 's also commercial product called ! jpeg provides jpeg read write functionality direct jpeg viewing , well host image format conversion processing options expensive necessarily better programs contact dt software , , cambridge , uk tel 0223 next pd utility displays images format conversions current version reads jpeg write available standard next archives sonata cc purdue edu cs orst edu , somewhere pub next \( currently organized , 's hard point specific sub directories \) note older version floating around support jpeg portable software almost system none fits situation , obtain compile free jpeg conversion software described 6b 'll also need viewer program display 8 bits less , gif viewer fine display color capability , try find viewer read targa ppm 24 bit image files numerous commercial jpeg offerings , popping every day recommend spend money one unless find available free shareware software vastly slow case , purchase hardware assisted product ask pointed questions whether product complies final jpeg standard whether handle jfif file format many earliest commercial releases never compatible anyone else 's files 6b looking source code work free , portable c code jpeg compression available independent jpeg group , lead package containing source code , documentation , small test files available several places official archive site source code ftp uu net \( 137 39 1 9 192 48 96 9 \) look directory graphics jpeg current release jpegsrc v4 tar z \( compressed tar file n't forget retrieve binary mode \) retrieve file ftp uucp pc n't know cope tar z format , may prefer zip format , find simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip file also available compuserve , forum \( go pics \) , library 15 , zip ftp access , retrieve source nearest comp sources misc archive version 4 appeared issues 55 72 volume 34 \( n't know retrieve comp sources misc postings , see faq article find sources , referred top section 6 \) free jpeg code provides conversion jpeg jfif format image files gif , pbmplus ppm pgm , utah rle , targa file formats core compression decompression modules easily programs , image viewers package highly portable tested many machines ranging pcs released software noncommercial commercial use companies welcome use basis jpeg related products ask royalty , although ask acknowledgement product literature \( see readme file distribution details \) hope make software industrial quality although , anything 's free , offer warranty accept liability independent jpeg group volunteer organization 'd like contribute improving software , welcome join 7 's hoopla color quantization \? people n't full color \( 24 bit per pixel \) display hardware typical display hardware stores 8 fewer bits per pixel , display 256 fewer distinct colors time display full color image , computer must map image appropriate set representative colors process called color quantization \( something misnomer , color selection would better term 're stuck standard usage though \) clearly , color quantization lossy process turns images , details color quantization algorithm much impact final image quality errors introduced jpeg \( except lowest jpeg quality settings \) since jpeg full color format , converting color jpeg image display 8 bit less hardware requires color quantization true color jpegs even feed 256 less color gif jpeg , comes 256 colors , thousands colors happens jpeg 's lossiness affects pixel little differently , two pixels started identical colors probably come slightly different colors original color gets smeared group nearby colors therefore quantization always required display color jpeg colormapped display , regardless image source way avoid quantization ask gray scale output \( incidentally , effect 's nearly meaningless talk number colors used jpeg image even attempted count number distinct pixel values , different jpeg decoders would give different results roundoff error differences occasionally see posted images described 256 color jpeg tells poster \( \) n't read faq \( b \) probably converted jpeg gif jpegs classified color gray scale \( like photographs \) , number colors n't useful concept jpeg \) hand , gif image definition already quantized 256 fewer colors \( gif definite number colors palette , format n't allow 256 palette entries \) purposes usenet picture distribution , gif advantage sender color quantization , recipients n't also disadvantage gif 're stuck sender 's quantization sender quantized different number colors display , quantize , resulting much poorer image quality quantized full color image furthermore , sender n't use high quality color quantization algorithm , 're luck reason , jpeg offers promise significantly better image quality users whose machines n't match sender 's display hardware jpeg 's full color image quantized precisely match user 's display hardware furthermore , able take advantage future improvements quantization algorithms \( lot active research area \) , purchase better display hardware , get better view jpeg images already gif , 're stuck sent 's also worth mentioning many gif viewing programs include rather shoddy quantization routines view 256 color gif 16 color ega display , example , probably getting much worse image need partly inevitable consequence two color \( one create gif , one display \) , often 's also due sloppiness jpeg conversion programs forced use high quality quantizers order get acceptable results , normal use quantize directly number colors displayed thus , jpeg likely provide better results average gif program low color resolution displays well high resolution ones ! finally , ever growing number people better 8 bit display hardware already 15 bit hi color pc displays , true 24 bit displays workstations macintoshes , etc people , gif already obsolete , cannot represent image full capabilities display jpeg images drive displays much effectively thus , jpeg around better choice gif representing images machine independent fashion 8 jpeg work \? buzz words know subsampling , discrete transforms , coefficient quantization , huffman arithmetic entropy coding article 's long enough already , i'm going say technical information , see comp compression faq available news answers archive rtfm mit edu , files pub usenet news answers compression faq part 1 3 need help using news answers archive , see top article 9 lossless jpeg \? 's great deal confusion subject jpeg committee define truly lossless compression algorithm , e , one guarantees final output bit bit identical original input however , lossless mode almost nothing common regular , lossy jpeg algorithm , offers much less compression present , implementations lossless jpeg exist , commercial saying q 100 free jpeg software get lossless image get rid deliberate information loss coefficient quantization step still good deal information loss color subsampling step \( v4 free jpeg code , also say sample 1x1 turn subsampling keep mind many commercial jpeg implementations cannot cope resulting file \) even quantization subsampling turned , regular jpeg algorithm lossless , subject roundoff errors various calculations maximum error counts one pixel value 's highly unlikely could perceived human eye , might concern machine processing image minimum loss setting , regular jpeg produces files perhaps half size uncompressed 24 bit per pixel image true lossless jpeg provides roughly amount compression , guarantees bit bit accuracy application requiring lossless storage images less 6 bits per pixel \( per color component \) , may want look jbig image compression standard performs better jpeg lossless images jpeg lossless superior jbig images 6 bits per pixel furthermore , jpeg public domain \( least huffman back end \) , jbig techniques heavily covered patents 10 argument file formats \? strictly speaking , jpeg refers family compression algorithms refer specific image file format jpeg committee prevented defining file format turf wars within international standards organizations since ca n't actually exchange images anyone else unless agree common file format , leaves us problem absence official standards , number jpeg program writers gone thing , result programs n't compatible anybody else 's closest thing de facto standard jpeg format work 's coordinated people c cube microsystems defined two jpeg based file formats jfif \( jpeg file interchange format \) , low end format transports pixels much else tiff jpeg , aka tiff 6 0 , extension aldus tiff format tiff high end format let record everything ever wanted know image , lot besides \) tiff lot complex jfif , may well prove less transportable , different vendors historically implemented slightly different incompatible subsets tiff 's likely adding jpeg mix anything improve situation formats developed input major vendors jpeg related products 's reasonably likely future commercial products adhere one standards believe usenet adopt jfif replacement gif picture postings jfif simpler tiff available tiff 6 0 spec recently officially adopted , still vague crucial details even tiff jpeg well defined , jfif format likely widely supported lowest common denominator tiff jpeg files may never transportable particular case people may interested apple 's quicktime software macintosh quicktime uses jfif compatible format wrapped inside mac specific pict structure conversion jfif quicktime jpeg pretty straightforward , several mac programs available \( see mac portion section 6a \) editor handles binary files , strip quicktime jpeg pict jfif hand see section 11 details another particular case handmade software 's programs \( gif2jpg jpg2gif image alchemy \) programs capable reading writing jfif format default , though , write proprietary format developed hsi format readable non hsi programs used usenet postings use j switch get jfif output \( applies old versions programs current releases emit jfif format default still careful post hsi format files , unless want get flamed people non pc platforms \) 11 recognize file format , \? alleged jpeg file software wo n't read , 's likely hsi format proprietary jpeg based format tell first bytes file 1 jfif standard file start characters \( hex \) ff d8 ff e0 , followed two variable bytes \( often hex 00 10 \) , followed 'jfif' 2 see ff d8 start , rest , may raw jpeg file probably jfif software 's worth try , anyway 3 hsi files start 're luck unless hsi software portions file may look like plain jpeg data , wo n't decompress properly non hsi programs 4 macintosh pict file , jpeg compressed , couple hundred bytes header followed jfif header \( scan 'jfif' \) strip everything ff d8 able read 5 anything else 's proprietary format , jpeg lucky , file may consist header raw jpeg data stream identify start jpeg data stream \( look ff d8 \) , try stripping everything uuencoded usenet postings , characteristic jfif pattern begin line c x whereas uuencoded hsi files start begin line ' learn check former , save trouble downloading non jfif files 12 arithmetic coding \? jpeg spec defines two different back end modules final output compressed data either huffman coding arithmetic coding allowed choice impact image quality , arithmetic coding usually produces smaller compressed file typical images , arithmetic coding produces file 5 10 percent smaller huffman coding \( file size numbers previously cited huffman coding \) unfortunately , particular variant arithmetic coding specified jpeg standard subject patents owned ibm , , mitsubishi thus cannot legally use arithmetic coding unless obtain licenses companies \( fair use doctrine allows people implement test algorithm , actually storing images dubious best \) least short run , recommend people worry arithmetic coding space savings n't great enough justify potential legal hassles particular , arithmetic coding used images exchanged usenet small chance legal situation may change future stay tuned details 13 loss accumulate repeated compression decompression \? would nice , compressed image jpeg , could decompress , manipulate \( crop border , say \) , recompress without image degradation beyond lost initially unfortunately case general , altered image loses information , though usually much lost first time around next best thing would decompress image recompress without changing loss , e , get identical jpeg file even true least , current free jpeg software 's essentially problem accumulation roundoff error repeatedly compress decompress , image eventually degrade see visible changes first generation output \( usually takes many cycles get visible change \) one things list see accumulation error avoided limited , optimistic case , could possibly guaranteed would compressing unmodified full color output djpeg , original quality setting , would introduce loss even simple changes cropping border could cause roundoff error degradation \( 're wondering , 's pixel block boundaries move cropped 16 pixels , might safe , 's mighty limited capability ! \) bottom line jpeg useful format archival storage transmission images , n't want use intermediate format sequences image manipulation steps use lossless format \( ppm , rle , tiff , etc \) working image , jpeg ready file away aside avoiding degradation , save lot compression decompression time way \) 14 rules thumb converting gif images jpeg \? stated earlier , lose amount image information convert existing gif image jpeg obtain original full color data gif made , 's far better make jpeg need save space gif work , suggestions getting maximum space savings minimum loss quality first rule converting gif library look jpeg , make sure happy , throwing away corresponding gif give chance conversion higher quality setting necessary gifs may better left gifs , explained section 3 particular , cartoon type gifs sixteen fewer colors n't convert well may find jpeg file reasonable quality larger gif \( check sizes \) experience date suggests large , high visual quality gifs best candidates conversion jpeg chew storage offer potential savings , convert jpeg least degradation n't waste time converting gif much 100 kbytes also , n't expect jpeg files converted gifs small created directly full color originals maintain image quality may let converted files much twice big straight jpeg files would \( e , shoot 1 2 1 3rd size gif file , 1 4th suggested earlier comparisons \) many people developed odd habit putting large constant color border around gif image useless , nearly free terms storage cost gif files free jpeg files , sharp border boundary create visible artifacts \( ghost edges \) favor crop border jpeging \( x windows system , xv 's manual automatic cropping functions painless way \) cjpeg 's default q setting 75 appropriate full color input , gif inputs , q settings 85 95 often seem necessary avoid image degradation \( apply smoothing suggested , higher q setting may necessary \) color gifs photographs complex artwork usually dithered fool eye seeing 256 colors gif actually store enlarge image , see adjacent pixels often significantly different colors normal size eye averages pixels together produce illusion intermediate color value trouble dithering , jpeg , looks like high spatial frequency color noise jpeg ca n't compress noise well resulting jpeg file larger lower image quality would gotten jpeging original full color image \( \) get around , want smooth gif image compression smoothing averages together nearby pixels , thus approximating color thought saw anyway , process getting rid rapid color changes give jpeg trouble appropriate use smoothing often let avoid using high q factor , thus reducing size compressed file , still obtaining better looking output image 'd get without smoothing v4 free jpeg software \( products based \) , simple smoothing capability built try smooth 10 converting gifs values 10 25 seem work well high quality gifs heavy handed dithering may require larger smoothing factors \( see regular fine scale patterns gif image even without enlargement , strong smoothing definitely called \) large smoothing factor blur output image , n't want image processing wizard , also smoothing separate filtering program , pnmconvol pbmplus package however , cjpeg 's built smoother lot faster pnmconvol upshot cjpeg quality 85 smooth 10 probably good starting point converting gifs really care image , 'll want check results maybe try settings information jpeg general free jpeg software particular , contact independent jpeg group jpeg info uunet uu net tom lane organizer , independent jpeg group internet tgl cs cmu edu bitnet tgl cs cmu edu carnegie
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 28 neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) writes concrete floor accelerates problem heat sink colder lead acid battery self discharges slightly faster rate 's old tale sitting piece wood floor works help keep killing battery fast battery 'll set battery piece styrofoam , self discharge even slower number inaccuracies 1 \) fact , colder battery self discharge slowly batteries stored cool , dry place 2 \) battery placed concrete become colder one placed wood battery , wood , concrete general temperature \( ignoring temperature fluctuations \) thus none effect best thing would attach small load small transistor radio volume turned low leave constantly , also trickle charge every couple days shallow cycle charge battery mild exercising lead acid battery next best thing completely removing electrolyte storage need battery keep charged \( trickle charger job \) stuff deleted
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenians form distinct race reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 147 article unix amherst edu unix amherst edu \( \) writes question , given many armenian community , common denominator armenian people allowed armenian nationalism emerge nineteenth century \? stated , religion various contradictory views origin armenians name found inscriptions form found inscription monument following references armenians found inscription \( 510 b c \) 1 monarch said sent servant 6 reaching 7 country town , according , equivalent persians , recent word , found used inscriptions 'haiastan' saint martin name given since early times almost various eastern peoples territory referred armenians 'haiastan' known syrians armenia arabs others believe urartu known time medes later modified persians refers place , ararat , , , , , , used refer spirit , thought human , therefore would appear signify 'the people g believes national vocabulary haik form , name nation nation way connected word armen foreigners apply people ' would thus appear place name , name people lived , way connected word 'hai' haik armenian historians believe haik great hero armenian people took name 'hai' mere resemblance words 'hai' constitutes real proof , , case , theory appears time moses following studies show quite clearly 'hai' 'haiasa' general names used hittites refer region known armenia professor general name used hittite inscriptions upper armenia ' , tries prove 'hai' identical hittite , words 'hai' hittite word research , however , proved erroneous , shown 'hai' derived 's attempt read urartu inscriptions armenian met success greek , point even mentioning resemblance words 'haiasa' 'haiastan' obvious may well accept 'haiasa' oldest form 'haiastan' let us cast brief glance words 'hai' , 'haiastan' entered older works according 'the word haik never found employed reference leader armenian people prior moses , ever found employed forms use word title place name \( improved developed , etc \) word referred nation derived haik could also used words number places ' according professor , deciphered number hittite inscriptions 'in hittite language suffix ha used specify quality species words , used refer hittites transformation two letters way transformed ' professor fully agrees point view , regards significance explanation far accorded terms 'hai' quite finds , however , solution problem brought nearer name 'haiasa' frequently found 1400 b c onwards takes 'haiasa' referring upper armenia case seems likely 'haiasa' actually part armenia suffix dan anatolian origin real root , refers country e writes follows subject anthropological characteristics armenian people armenians russia may characterized follows almost , dark , average height , asian group close ties certain kurdish tribes azerbaijan peoples according j point view , armenian kurds may regarded belonging iranian group armenians descended various elements mixed race average height varies 1 63 1 69 according region almost always short headed , skull measurements 85 87 race belong indo turkic family professor rene writes follows armenians mixture semites , turk , kurds mongols , display armenian features , e g , height little average , fair , dark hair , dark eyes , often hooked nose rather wide mouth investigations carried n links armenian blood groups anthropological characteristics led conclusion armenians form distinct race serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
subject xlib functions known problem \? \? \? visser bhp com au \( martin visser \) distribution world nntp posting host bhp com au lines 27 've found problem use xlib functions regarding decided implement animated cursor \( using 6 created cursors \) calling sig signal handler used indicate waiting operator request complete \( production control system \) redrawing screen underneath animated cursor restoring standard cursor complete found dumped core , upon analysis sig handler called call bcopy \( presumably internal structure \) called presumably \( internal \) structure manipulating stable state sent n't anyone else experienced \? official documentation says ensure n't happen \? bcopy \( \) atomic running sgi irix 4 0 1 x11r4 regards , martin martin visser electrical software engineer engineering technology department bhp steel slab plate products division p box wollongong nsw 2500 australia phone 61 42 75 ext fax 61 42 75 e mail visser bhp com au
iitmax iit edu \( stephen bacon \) subject 48 bit graphics organization illinois institute technology academic computing center lines 18 good reason \( many companies use \) 48 bits pixel use double buffering \( animating scenes \) e 2 24 bit planes write one background , flip ! entire screen updates second image plane screen updates one refresh n't see different objects appearing order 're drawn \( cad macdraw effect \) ready update image used foreground steve \( iitmax iit edu iris iit edu \) sg product line even keep track nowadays \? every co seems \( ads press releases claim \) redefine computing \( etc etc \) know new product progress competition great , wants invest system 's obsolete time reaches desk \? \)
alexia lis uiuc edu \( barbara \) subject henry spencer anyway \? organization university illinois urbana lines 30 1993may15 aie nl hansk aie nl \( hans \) writes article 1993may12 leland stanford edu leland stanford edu \( aaron \) writes tracked sci space quite , questions mysterious figure called henry spencer anything going space community , seems know questions somewhat cheek 1 \) sci space hobby job \? 1 \) ever eat sleep \? 3 \) u toronto zoology department conduct space research \? use account \? curious god ! dare posting ! posed questions mr spencer time ago email unfortunately never received response well , imho \( nobody net user \) henry spencer sci kibo alt rec could wrong \( anybody mention \) kitten librarian k kitten k barbara ann alexia lis uiuc edu life 's soap opera , n't \? easy gg
subject waco headlines editorial boston globe steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu \( jason 'think ! ' steiner \) distribution world nntp posting host jupiter cse utoledo edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 john kim \( kim39 scws8 harvard edu \) writes boston globe , wednesday april 21 1993 little way rationality could expected koresh , self confessed sinner without equal funny , koresh say , quoting st paul course , early christians persecuted koresh quotes bible , long mainstream christians become target fbi 's loving care attention \? jason ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` ` , ` get cross need wood ` , ` ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu ` , ` , ` , `
triton unm edu \( \) subject another request darwin fish organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 11 nntp posting host triton unm edu hello gang , notes recently asking obtain darwin fish question seen answer net anyone contact please post net email thanks , john triton unm edu
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject implementing diffie hellman key exchange nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 18 probably use numbers much larger 64 bits also , may want include randomly generated protocol way , someone find shared key another person use one day , wo n't able guess next day ie sends g mod p random string r0 b sends g b mod p random string r1 find \( g mod p \) b mod p shared key , calculate session key hash \( r0 , shared key , r1 \) also , want make sure 're getting right public key value g mod p someone power intercept change messages spoof sending public key , acquiring session key john
red dei unipd \( il \) subject pals , gals organization e universita' di lines 6 anyone know get detailed information pals gals please reply via e mail thanks lot advance red dei unipd red dei unipd
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject facts , new study gay percentage organization santa cruz lines 30 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation also lie 10 keep politicians scared lie substantiated understand like please stop making ridiculous claims maybe consider working getting information national inquirer many people marching n't homosexuals , members leftist agenda ahh ! rabbit hat another desperate step discount activity washington gay march article also contains numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well yes , mr cramer 1 entire population plus stated 7 3 figure
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject jews shoot muslim infants organization department redundancy department lines 27 article cbfsb cb att com sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) writes allow mention indeed indeed defend oneself , fight brutal occupation , restore freedom oneself , one 's people islam also teachings right minded individuals honorable placing bombs passenger airliners , promising execute rushdie , killing 1 2 million people iran iraq war , murdering tourists persecuting christians egypt , massacring christians sudan , christians barring jews saudi arabia \? paranoid muslims righteous defending situations \? even afraid \? always amazing yet true suffer religious persecution usually ones practice able islam filling net foam considering seem posting central new jersey , odd comment coming dare speak mind middle east country besides israel jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 74 netcom com catcher netcom com \( paul w francisco \) writes said , letter addressed bettman post \( , though pretty much content , entirely different entity \) addressed puts letter mail doubt say figure wanted let people see since topic interests lot folks 's entirely different purpose sending letter bettman damn good thing post since claims represent people rec sport hockey unfortunately largest computer networks world phrase definition internet , group whole claims represent sole purpose mentioning net , steve gallichio already pointed , lend weight points association internet reason mention internet misrepresentation internet private corporation alison would leaving wide open kinds civil suits business whether large , large compared say , number folks r h sending letter thank changing names , least point letter petition claiming represent large proportion rec sport hockey users , implication , significant number internet users 65 names way considered large proportion rec sport hockey , way counting actual readership , accessible hundreds thousands people 65 persons fly 's fart curiosity thought 'd look official definition large dictionary reads large 1 usual power , capacity , scope 2 exceeding things like kind quantity size gee looked large dictionary \? next \? two syllable words \? idea many letters bettman may gotten issue many people may signed 65 people may , thereby definition 2 would also wager geographical range signatures quite large , would give large scope let suggest place likely envy magnitude 65 looking ways beef iq scores might impressed size list names would impressed unless large \? said , might impressed size list names would considerably larger even definition account original context lifted sentence personally n't know whether agree letter mixed emotions like names , n't think make difficult learn game , might shred validity change well hell point \? n't really know opinion hockey issue know n't like \? cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject centris 610 25mhz 33mhz \? \? \? keywords centris reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 21 paryavi matt ksu ksu edu \( saiid paryavi \) writes put 33mhz 040 cpu centris 610 math coprocessor , possible speed centris run either 25mhz 33mhz \? \? without replacing chips motherboard c610 n't like iisi , meaning motherboard c610 actually run speed cpu , designed run higher speed \( like 25mhz \) forced run speed slower cpu \( 20mhz \) n't see oscillators motherboard like ones iisi 's motherboard ! oscillator centris \? one oscillator talking cpu oscillator chip , think located socket '040 least read posts group hades
deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) subject help need 24 bits viewer keywords 24 bit lines 7 hi , i'm looking program able display 24 bits images using sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running x11 thanks advance
j k wight newcastle ac uk \( jim wight \) subject axe 5 0 available organization internet lines 89 reply j k wight newcastle ac uk nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu placed new release axe editor axe 5 0 tar z export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) arjuna ncl ac uk \( 128 240 150 1 \) significant change time , justification hike major version number , undo implemented default last change undone , resource provided allow user specify many , including unlimited , levels undo information kept also , undo undo supported truth rumour next version 19 \) encountered axe summary axe simple use text editor x represents significant improvement xedit also built around athena text widget features , amongst things , multiple windows multiple buffers default menu interface optional button interface , choice layout buttons user control expert use access external filters provision defining keyboard macro geometry specification resizing terms characters file selection via browser knowledge line numbers matching regular expression searching restricted unlimited undo ability change font easy entry control codes xterm like keymap feature easy runtime setting selected preferences \( resources \) brief comprehensive line help server mode cooperating client programs optional extension language using tcl optional xaw3d widget set compatability collection reusable widgets functionality axe personally built run core axe , e without tcl xaw3d options , following systems sun sparc sunos 4 1 x mit x11r5 sun sparc sunos 5 1 mit x11r5 encore 4 3 mit x11r5 dec 5000 120 ultrix 4 2 mit x11r5 hp 9000 710 hp ux 8 07 mit x11r5 mac iici au x 3 0 mit x11r5 subject level testing tested tcl xaw3d options first number ' ifdef isms fed back incorporated code possible replacement provided systems one although axe probably build r4 run time problems encountered past bothered try version r4 , put effort solving previously known problems therefore , r4 much take pot luck n't work alternative try last release , 2 1 1 , version 2 still around n't many features uses widget creation library \( wcl \) , requires old version wcl , 1 06 1 05 version 3 axe nearing completion version 2 wcl came axe 2 never got converted make use axe available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) arjuna ncl ac uk \( 128 240 150 1 \) initially , probably due course several ftp sites check nearest using xarchie ca n't ftp , try sending email ftpmail decwrl dec com word help alone message body receive instructions ftp via email jim j k wight newcastle ac uk department computing science , university newcastle , tel 44 91 222 8238 newcastle upon tyne , ne1 7ru , united kingdom fax 44 91 222 8232
jc minya uucp \( john chambers \) subject program display gif files \? lines 17 seems silly , 've located things like tgif edit gif files , various tools convert gif format , n't able locate program opens window displays gif file 've looked thru various faq files , also avail one lurking archive \? nothing sophisticated show pretty picture \? alternatively , could locate specs gif , n't suppose would hard write , idea even start looking spec \( well , actually , idea newsgroup \) auto industry like computer industry , car would cost 5 , would get 5000 miles gallon , random times would explode , killing passengers
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject 43 1 nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 37 article 1993apr21 iitmax iit edu draughn iitmax iit edu \( mark draughn \) writes followups talk politics guns article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares writes article ulowell ulowell edu , jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) writes , person keeps gun home 43 times likely die , home , gunshot likely kill intruder sounds like apples 'n' oranges case , anybody tried make obvious counter study \? numbers someone keep gun home \? , ratio dying home gunshot killing intruder , people keep guns homes \? , ratio unarmed people shot death homes v unarmed people kill intruders \? worse 6 1 \? inquiring minds want know n't know specific ratio , earlier post says gun 33 times likely defend someone \( including times gun n't fired , scares perpetrator away \) kill someone \( including self defense \) post kind long , 'll glad dig email anyone asks doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
organization stanford linear accelerator center thomas slacvm slac stanford edu subject jays' darrin jackson nightmare ! 1993apr20 alchemy chem utoronto ca bde ra nrl navy mil lines 21 article bde ra nrl navy mil , klinker itd nrl navy mil \( eric klinker \) says dj popular player san diego , derek bell faring well clubhouse toronto , matter bad looks still think steal jays perspective team chemistry statistic describe \( sorry \) since many new faces clubhouse think jays still trying find \( insert comment jack morris v clemens ws ring string \) laugh , laugh , equally publicly , jays finish third due severe depletion talent think bill james put best \( sparky anderson , abstract 1983 \) million guys country great attitudes , five hundred play major league brand baseball going take \? tom
mufti uucp \( saad mufti \) subject problem xterm , access tty organization personal library software , inc lines 19 i'm running xterm x11r5 , motif 1 1 , mwm unix svr4 unisys 386 based machine default shell bin csh c shell whenever run xterm , get following message first c shell prompt warning access tty thus job control shell , ca n't run job control commands like fg , bg etc also , ca n't run another xterm command line xterm \( launch additional xterms menu \) 'd appreciate help problem , pointers get help way , environment variable term set xterm saad mufti personal library software e mail mufti pls com
davec ecst csuchico edu \( dave childs \) subject dental question organization california state university , chico lines 20 nntp posting host hairball ecst csuchico edu hearing bad thing amalgam dental say lead mercury system bad recently heard suspicion mercury breeding ground bacteria resistant antibiotics dentist wants use amalgam filling place two one tooth wants use one filling cover says composite filling n't hold well large , would like know choices besides amalgam composite , really even worried amalgam \? heard country even use true information give greatly appreciated thanks ! dave childs
tung enet dec com subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? reply tung enet dec com \( \) organization digital equipment corporation lines 9 started taking allergy shots month ago still wondering getting friend mine told body change every 7 years \( whatever means \) n't need antibody building allergy shots make sense anyone \? btw , someone summarize consumer report february , 1988 article \?
hhtra usho0b hou281 chevron com \( haddock \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) distribution usa organization chevron lines 37 article 66758 mimsy umd edu , davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident i'm determining whether things true anyone geico made claim \? 'd interested hearing whether satisfied service whether trouble renewing policy i'm also interested good bad stories liberty mutual state farm stay away geico recent car driver issue article geico giving free laser guns police departments increase 're speed limit enforcement article also said get speeding ticket premium increase dramatically based much limit remember correctly , 20 , 'll get something like 65 increase radar detector , denied coverage dropped immediately one accident claim dropped many years geico , father 0 tickets made 0 claims , accident filed 800 claim dropped immediately since state farm years complaints state farm 20 years complaints travis
pwb aerg canberra edu au \( paul blackman \) subject windows zip unzip organization university canberra lines 31 article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call ones available one stand amongst rest \? full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? yes russ , windows version n't think handles functions available dos version last looked could found monash university \( australia \) mirror site cica , 'd assume 's still cica mirrors look util \( \? \) directory file called zip paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au water research centre , pwb aerg canberra edu au faculty applied science \( \) university canberra , australia spend little love get high lenny
tenney netcom com \( glenn tenney \) subject help ! nut threatening sue ! organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 44 n't wish rehash pgp patent issue , feel potential misconceptions intellectual property laws need raised article rubin dsg4 dse beckman com rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) writes pgp violates patents , executing pgp could violation distributing pgp could infringement , pgp documentation seemed sufficient protect distributors \( deleted using pgp might patent violation us , need keep \) correct executing pgp would violation \( unless patent declared invalid courts \) , question , , distributing pgp would violation person company distributing pgp receives money , clearly sale \( example , compuserve , charge access would selling pgp \) charge pgp things get less clear , would still reasonable view infringement nb jim bidzos legal action take , unless believe prove someone using pgp us , purpose specifically allowed patent laws \( entirely correct , anyone sue reason , , cannot prevail unless prove evidence \) patent laws , pgp legitimate uses , means study algorithm , order produce improvements \( would still require approval execute , patent runs around 2000 \) common misconception patent laws mention valid purpose infringing patent although clear order create new invention either based prior patent avoid infringing prior patent , one must perform research existing patent say infringed patent \( assume 're talking rsa patent \) research purposes \( wink wink , \) never develop related invention \( ie use \) , would clear infringement glenn tenney voice \( 415 \) 574 3420 fax \( 415 \) 574 0546 tenney netcom com ham radio
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject chromium dietary weight loss organization osu college osteopathic medicine lines 126 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu article 1993apr29 newsgate sps mot com , melton sps mot com \( henry melton \) writes wife requested poll usenet see known use chromium weight control diet seen multiple products advertising would like kind real information first impulse yuck ! metal ! zero data know \? henry melton 'll tell know chromium , want get things chest got blasted e mail kidney stone posts kidney stones primarily caused diet , heart disease cancer give dietary advise , intended encourage people reading news group \( sci med nutrition posting \) avoid seeing doctor nothing truth kidney stones caused tumors possibility ruled , diet good way preventing thing heart disease cancer , suspect may problem one diseases , n't use i'm going tell read book avoid going doctor go hopefully find doctor knows enough nutrition help change risk factors diseases part treatment program \( odds 's i'm \) wife detected lump breast n't say , n't worry vitamin e take care breast lump worked physician , plan simple 's \( \) fine , maybe diet change supplementation prevent breast lumps occuring let tell right , tried diet supplementation another lump returns , get butt doctor 's office fast little feet carry \( better yet , mammography done regular basis , wife kept putting 's , told needed one done \) even scheduled one , n't show \( busy running operating room biggest hospital tulsa \) one thing , nutritionist group uses high dose vitamins minerals treat kinds disease absolutely doubt mind vitamins minerals drug actions body talk flying blind , man really blind treatment drug could ever used vitamins minerals used i'm saying stuff could n't right money , may well approach nutrition lot like weinsier morgan , two 's wrote new clinical nutrition textbook push nutrient reserves lab tests needed measure reserves supplementation diet changes get reserves built let handle stress 's i'm coming folks blast away want , i'm going change put killfile want , really n't care i'm averaging 8 10 e mail messages day people think 've got something important say i'm also getting hit axe grind 's life chromium one trace elements limited \( important \) role body used form glucose tolerance factor \( gtf \) gtf made chromium , \( niacin \) , glycine , chromium niacin needed diet form gtf foods already gtf \( liver , brewers nutritional yeast , black pepper \) chromium gtf , pretty good absorption seen \( 20 \) simply present mineral mineral \( chromium picolinate \) 's absorption much lower \( 1 2 , lowest minerals \) 've posting misc fitness chromium come several times fat burner chromium among least toxic minerals could really load really harm would n't though adequate safe range chromium 50 per day average american getting per day diet chromium levels decrease age many believe adult onset diabetes primarily chromium deficiency cite several studies done glucose tolerance type ii diabetes i'm going positive one , also seems negative one well i'm convinced problem yeast \( gtf \) used , good results obtained chromium used results usually negative addition type ii diabetes , examined cardiovascular disease glucoma , mixed results far cardiovascular disease concerned since high blood glucose level lead cardiovascular disease , possible link chromium n't surprising glucoma little interesting muscle eye focusing activity primarily insulin responsive glucose driven metabolic function eye focusing activity impaired \( lack glucose due poor insulin response \) , pressure believed elevated fairly large study 400 pts , one consistent finding low rbc chromium j coll nutr 10 \( 5 \) 536 , \( 1991 \) one preliminary study prompt people go start popping chromium supplements one thing , every older person going low rbc chromium unless taking chromium \( yeast \) since glucoma often found older people , 's surprising chromium low rbc 's chromium supplementation could reverse glucoma , would prompt attention suspect clinical trail check possible chromium link glucoma could find body chromium pool size either rbc chromium test hair analysis clinical labs going run rbc chromium plenty labs hair nail analysis , would n't use much funny business going unregulated labs right 's weinsier morgan , advise chromium consider chromium one minerals reliable clinical test available \( n't like hair nail analysis labs either , also recognize rbc chromium primarily research test routinely available clinical chemistry labs \) change labs run rbc , suggest \? make diagnosis chromium deficiency based documented clinical response chromium \( run glucose tolerance test chromium supplementation \) make diagnosis , put patient orally day yeast per day 's advise \? n't take chromium supplements try loose weight \( work way \) want take exercise , would great include yeast part diet \( americans getting enough chromium diet \) poor glucose tolerance , ask doctor check chromium status says , world talking , say , please get copy weinsier morgan 's new clinical nutrition textbook say patients present poor glucose tolerance ca n't , 'll find doctor , thank much marty b
f67709907 violet ccit arizona edu \( greg franklin \) subject opinions eli denny show distribution na , local organization university arizona lines 21 nntp posting host violet nntp posting user f67709907 that's happened denny sad interested , another baseball pariah , pete rose , weekday radio show sports entertainment national radio network think 's 3 5 pm locally , 6 8 pm east coast actually , air baseball business sounds lot reasonable articulate hear ray knights world greg franklin mixing encompasses lot lot f67709907 ccit arizona edu g7 races robohen things argument inept speaker ignorant drinking bout without hors dried sword sheath held together threads questioning boy favorite one 's affairs \( dog \)
tthiel cs uiuc edu \( terry thiel \) subject datadesk keyboard centris fix organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 13 posted problem datadesk 101e keyboard failed rebuild desktop command option keys pressed shut inits pressing shift key absolutely help datadesk called macconnection tech support tried centris 610 problem immediately offered get new keyboard , try centris ship overnight worked could send keyboard back got one worked guy tech support named dave turns keyboard wait smiley face pressing shift key disable inits wait inits start appearing rebuild desktop pressing command option really like keyboard glad able keep hand , tech support sucks macconnection 's great ! terry
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israel apartheid state organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 38 article m06 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 1993may10 pasteur berkeley edu adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) writes article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes i'm sure hope answer ca n't apply law return conversion , 've elected part jewish nation point converting another religion loose cultural identity , loose religious identification disagree converting another religion , certainly change cultural identity , lose part jewish moment converted , officially world consider part jewish nation , jewish nation consider member \? part nation defined culture religion actually , atheist , fact like converting non jewish terms religion , still considered part jewish nation , serious cultural difference renouncing jewish god accepting new one thou shall gods conversion violation , atheism might able wiggle around adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
netcom com \( mei mei su \) subject hardware fits mail order keywords mail order organization corporation distribution usa lines 20 anyone dealt hardware fits seen ad macworld macuser decided try needed new disk result satisfactory wondering isolated case like send letter president hardware fits anyone know address \? address one return products \? mei mei su software engineer email tr portal com corporation netcom com disclaimer statement nothing official \)
jpc philabs philips com \( john p curcio \) subject nhl playoff results games played 23 april 1993 organization philips laboratories , briarcliff , new york lines 122 nhl playoff results games played 23 april 1993 conference semi finals best seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf \( leads 3 0 \) stl \( leads 3 0 \) win pit \( leads 3 0 \) bos chi van \( leads 2 1 \) nyi \( leads 2 1 \) mon tor la que \( leads 2 1 \) det \( leads 2 1 \) cal \( tied 2 1 \) detroit red wings \( lead series 2 1 \) 0 1 1 2 toronto maple leafs 2 0 2 4 dave andreychuk scored first two playoff goals toronto felix potvin stopped 34 36 red wing shots maple leafs first win series first period 1 , toronto , andreychuk 1 \( foligno , gilmour \) , 4 21 2 , toronto , andreychuk 2 \( gilmour \) , 7 37 second period 3 , detroit , fedorov 2 \( coffey , sheppard \) , 1 20 \( pp \) third period 4 , toronto , clark 1 \( gilmour , mironov \) , 4 44 \( pp \) 5 , toronto , pearson 1 \( clark , cullen \) , 9 32 6 , detroit , chiasson 2 \( konstantinov , fedorov \) , 14 14 shots goal detroit 9 19 8 36 toronto 13 8 12 33 power play opportunities detroit 1 5 toronto 1 8 goalies detroit , cheveldae , 2 1 \( 33 shots 29 saves \) toronto , potvin , 1 2 \( 36 34 \) 15 , 720 referee mark linesmen kevin collins , brian murphy chicago blackhawks 0 0 0 0 st louis blues \( lead series 3 0 \) 1 1 1 3 curtis joseph blanked blackhawks second straight game brett hull scored goal added assist lead blues 3 0 series lead chicago n't scored 131 09 play since brian noonan 's hat trick goal game 1 first period 1 , st louis , janney 1 \( hull , brown \) , 16 53 \( pp \) second period 2 , st louis , hull 3 \( miller \) , 12 31 third period 3 , st louis , emerson 1 \( felsner , shanahan \) , 16 44 shots goal chicago 9 12 13 34 st louis 7 13 4 24 power play opportunities chicago 0 4 st louis 1 7 goalies chicago , belfour , 0 3 \( 24 shots 21 saves \) st louis , joseph , 3 0 \( 34 34 \) 17 , 985 referee dan marouelli linesmen randy , shane vancouver canucks \( lead series 2 1 \) 1 2 1 4 winnipeg jets 3 0 2 5 teemu selanne broke mini slump hat trick , including game winner , lead jets 5 4 victory trevor linden pavel bure scored twice losing canucks first period 1 , winnipeg , tkachuk 1 \( housley \) , 3 52 2 , winnipeg , selanne 1 \( housley , shannon \) , 7 01 \( pp \) 3 , vancouver , bure 2 , 18 29 4 , winnipeg , selanne 2 \( shannon , housley \) , 19 57 \( pp \) second period 5 , vancouver , linden 2 \( ronning , lumme \) , 14 6 , vancouver , linden 3 \( adams , \) , 59 \( pp \) third period 7 , winnipeg , borsato 1 \( steen \) , 2 53 \( sh \) 8 , winnipeg , selanne 3 \( shannon \) , 9 35 9 , vancouver , bure 3 \( babych , \) , 15 52 shots goal vancouver 18 9 10 37 winnipeg 13 8 8 29 power play opportunities vancouver 1 8 winnipeg 2 6 goalies vancouver , mclean , 2 1 \( 29 shots 24 saves \) winnipeg , essensa , 1 2 \( 37 33 \) 15 , 569 referee kerry fraser linesmen gord , dan calgary flames \( lead series 2 1 \) 2 1 2 5 los angeles kings 0 1 1 2 \( tomorrow \) saturday , 24 april 1993 washington ny islanders \( ny islanders lead series 2 1 \) , 7 est boston buffalo \( buffalo leads series 3 0 \) , 7 est quebec montreal \( quebec leads series 2 1 \) , 8 10pm est sunday , 25 april 1993 pittsburgh new jersey \( pittsburgh leads series 3 0 \) , 1 10pm est chicago st louis \( st louis leads series 3 0 \) , 1 10pm est calgary los angeles \( calgary leads series 2 1 \) , 3 10pm est detroit toronto \( detroit leads series 2 1 \) , 7 10pm est vancouver winnipeg \( vancouver leads series 2 1 \) , 9 10pm est jpc john p curcio go bruins ! philips laboratories jpc philabs philips com 345 scarborough road \( 914 \) 945 6442 briarcliff manor , ny 10510
rsc hao ucar edu \( bob campbell \) subject motif 1 2 ow 3 0 compiling reply rsc hao ucar edu organization high altitude observatory ncar , boulder co lines 24 've built system \( sunos 4 1 3 , x11r5 , motif 1 2 , ow 3 0 \) builds fine , run , child windows opens , 1 \) locks mouse window area 2 \) n't accept input mouse needless say , pain ass , go find empty terminal login kill problem openwindows motif \? patch \? bob campbell crayons take system manager go hao , ncar rsc hao ucar edu disclaimer views way connected employer closed mouth gathers feet unknown requires little thought little work hicks managing editor amazing computing
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject new encryption organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 15 psionic wam umd edu \( haywood j \) writes spoke mr melnick algorithm could n't tell much new n't patented yet right company afraid new clipper chip put business real possibility really need help stopping clipper chip becoming standard 're planning algorithm , hope go business quickly possible tell said i'm sure many readers newsgroups agree , mathew
rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) subject baptism requires faith reply rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) organization motorola paging systems group lines 26 article jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) writes catholics view effects baptism slightly differently , 's one primary reason baptize babies believe baptism produces change soul baby , quite independently act part baby change baby 's soul gives infant certain capabilities would without baptism since infant use intellect yet , new faculties dormant child gets older , gifts baptism come play guess would react rather strongly line thinking carried ! think army stronger mine , would take children baptize , know really best cannot possibly put kind action , crusades context teachings jesus god think advocated different approach design made appealing , called , chosen church practice seems cause effect switched , change comes get baptized answer fool according folly , lest thou also like unto answer fool according folly , lest wise conceit \( proverbs 26 4 5 \)
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization acme products lines 27 article austin ibm com , kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul empirical evidence support first statement true , power surge startup potential damage , internal power supply well protected \( 've turned mac six seven times day three years without problem \) monitor leave waste lot electricity twice much television , possibly computer uses far less electricity tv monitor depends size \) one thing use self shutdown power shutdown iron appliance electric line new monitor power supply modem , wife still n't think iron fault \( \( know better , bio med engineer \) brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
gurgle netcom com \( pete gontier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization cellular lines 10 ucsd edu \( mike fischer \) writes 're missing main point capitalism first place ! competition excellence yes , concerned imagining capitalist theorists software mind wrote grand main point capitalism non productive pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject hockey guest spots organization university toronto chemistry department lines 10 article 22apr93 vm1 mcgill ca jbe5 jbe5 musicb mcgill ca writes manon rheaume letterman sept 1992 english terrible letterman took cheap shots although shots funny , uncalled well , contrary , thought dave rather taken accent \( h \) passion gerald
mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization trusted information systems , inc lines 28 nntp posting host sol tis com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes really , none stuff especially hard need true private phone isdn codec , vocoder \( either chip software \) , encryptor \( chip fine , software fast enough \) , v 32 v 32bis modem module , maybe microcontroller run whole thing easy , cheap normal company trying put one likely get visit boys dark suits washington , like qualcomm feds shut people making sound blaster \? apple next \? apple , next , sun , others make systems handle cd quality audio , perform arbitrary transformation process transmitting across network modem perhaps 's market portable vocoder crypto device , simply rs232 voice converter make capable recording speech playing back simultaneously applications multimedia , computing handicapped , internet talk radio , irc , etc , etc , etc would n't cryptographic device suppose someone could hooked 486 laptop v 32bis modem crypto software 'd market thing api text speech using simple ability use speech samples , course , 'd publish interface folks could write applications wanted talk thing mjr
henne math edu \( leslie r henne \) subject ideas xterm paste irritation \? organization internet lines 20 wolf cs stanford edu cc xpert expo lcs mit edu com , wolf cs stanford edu writes moving mouse xterm window clicking abort paste fact , middle button pressed , paste inevitable , obvious questions way around \? , others feel moving mouse xterm window release abort paste \? would thought would common enough problem someone would changed xterm , maybe 's michael aggravated many times mouse making hay , would ever grateful everyone would make keyboard alternatives mouse actions
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject story organization summary behavior keywords party ! ! ! ! lines 86 article csundh30 ursa , csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes description pretty sounding party still wonder stereotype us erc mean 'we' \( ever \) want stereotype one likes drink beer watch lovely ladies display beautiful bodies like stereotype refering infer negative noticed n't rape , pillage , burn town also left mucho bucks money town thinks town likes us least said lynn hall nos bros tend compose fair piece population ones regard bikers loud , irresponsible , , n't sound like attended , though , \? fact , riders need friends , sounds lot like might whole lynn 's description , especially crowd gets invited back party year year sure n't rape pillage 's relief know gentlemen completely hand justify lesser \? pretty distorted thinking , say seem one bent shape lesser towns people n't n't either , maybe n't amount anything threatening damaging harmless good among consenting adults thing really bothered description knee deep empty beer cans street , maybe town plan deal since helped set party first place lived previous visits established record mutual cooperation good intentions , 'd certainly rather stick around party go riding night impaired maybe get hurt killed oh i'm sorry , noticed left mucho bucks \( money \) nevermind criticism , line forgot one leaves mucho bucks \( money \) behavior permissable , perhaps even justified n't hurt anyone , parties party benefit consider entire activity benign harmless , needs permit justify \? \? need \? keep mind ones could give ! biker gets killed , elected officials institute draconian legislation \( helmet laws , gun controls , etc \) , ones n't respect rights roads respect rest time ironically , particular probably minority n't happen fit stereotype describe 've developed friendly long term mutually beneficial relationship group motorcyclists , n't burdened mc ignorance general population need continue \? need exists , surely must come within continue wear stigma badge , next time whining effect values , remember probably behavior self righteous like kept bay long well , got self righteous part right , anyway chuck rogers car377 torreys att com might heard run dangerous crowd , ai n't pretty , ai n't proud , might bit loud , ah , never hurt one , know good die young
klaty engin umich edu \( brad alan klaty \) subject potvin stick organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu originator klaty engin umich edu potvin pound dino , happens dino pounds \? dino gets legs slashed , slash potvin return \? year um lssu hockey game , um player called slash hit goalie 's glove stick slashing , hitting someone 's n't \? refs know call \? goalies get liberties players \? brad
harden skate ics com \( harden \) subject microsoft buy xhibition \? \? summary nntp posting host skate ics com organization integrated computer solutions , inc lines 74 article 1993may14 vpbuild vp com , jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) writes 've getting mail xhibition june conference wondering microsoft bought xhibition \? front says conference microsoft windows nt developers 's deal \? thought x x windows \? \? jesse w asher yes , xhibition x window system x window system conference remains largest complete conference devoted x nineteen full half day tutorials thirty six technical sessions three days provide huge amounts information x application developers add vendor exhibits product presentation track provide information folks purchase today , complete show focused x11 speakers xhibition 93 include bob , lu abel , mark , paul asente , doug , donna converse , jim fulton , oliver jones , keith packard , ralph swick , doug young , many others xhibition growing \( fortunately us \) added additional conferences surveys given indicated additional topics interest include object oriented technologies object management group 's orb c applies x client server technologies dce threads databases object oriented \( surprisingly look audience \) windows nt bulk xhibition audience \( unix community \) developing applications house custom use , new 32 bit operating system player large microsoft needs evaluated ms windows many desktops , price computing power dropping , successor needs evaluated corporations begin look nt , must developers suppliers mission xhibition technical conferences provide information application developer technology planner nt conference xhibition designed worked microsoft provide conference year specifically designed show x unix developers capabilities windows nt n't sure nt need application development systems deployment , place find ask folks microsoft , get show need conference attendees receive nt software development kits bang , evaluate , generally see hope n't sound like nt commercial \( sound like xhibition commercial \) want reiterate xhibition audience growing xhibition growing along industry confusing place moment unix , cose , nt , dce , , acronyms xhibition help sort confusion harden technical program manager harden ics com x h b n conference trade show corporate software development 201 broadway cambridge , 02139 windows distributed computing june 7 11 , san jose , ca ics com uunet ! ics com ! voice \( 617 \) 621 0060 fax \( 617 \) 621 9555 presented integrated computer solutions , inc
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization louisiana tech university lines 18 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1993apr23 dsd es com bgardner bambam es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article bong slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu \( eric bong \) writes article cbnews cb att com , nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) wrote bicycling technique 've employed use frame mounted tire pump fend dog attacks bayonet factory swedish mounted handlebars 10 blade long arms quite well thank dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization lines 28 article minerva cis yale edu jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes article venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes find interesting mr major finds genocide two million muslims bosnia acceptable actually claiming 2 , 000 , 000 muslims killed b h \? \? \? remove one make genocide two hundred thousands muslims bosnia , would make better \? 2 , 000 , 000 muslims driven continue driven homes \? utterly ridiculous claim \? rapes \( 60 , 000 women \) concentration camps \? us delegation visited reported yesterday cnn serbs giving muslims 4 cup water day ! ! \? \? sure also sounds like utterly ridiculous claim ! please substantiate utterly ridiculous claim nick mohamed
kam chung cheung andrew cmu edu subject moving sale organization masters student , industrial administration , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 11 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu moving sale large table 25 four drawer dresser 29 five shelf book case 19 chair 19 15 speed bicycle \( brand \) 69 microwave oven 59 call 421
stdvax \( dirk \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab distribution usa lines 32 article 66758 mimsy umd edu , davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident i'm determining whether things true anyone geico made claim \? 'd interested hearing whether satisfied service whether trouble renewing policy i'm also interested good bad stories liberty mutual state farm geico supports \( reads gives police \) laser radars known picky sports cars radar detectors \( although maryland insurance board rules consistantly \) turbos basically seems need use insurance ever n't want told would n't insure \( perfect record \) corvette even though would insured another specialty insurance must insure cars think rep n't know talking geico cheap ever file claim prepared dropped think areas two tickets geico never see dime help state farm higher good response picky geico
bpita ctp com \( bob pitas \) subject warning \( please read \) keywords brick , rock , danger , gun , violent , teenagers organization cambridge technology partners lines 43 article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu \( brian harvey \) writes rfelix netcom com \( robbie felix \) writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies help children , seniors , homeless \? hear , hear ! thanks , robbie also n't read much violence teenagers , george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi 17 year olds , trying surrender , bulldozers hand , think true , without singling teenagers blame , violence socially acceptable used us 'd like discourage violence plenty work people ages well , n't right group , say n't think violence socially acceptable , means say used pistol toting heros , even thugs considered romantic think great got yelled parents playing cowboys indians \? n't think behavior somewhat encouraged back , fact think difference nowadays , teenager kills another one classroom california , day back old days , 'd never hear something like , period sorry posting rec autos , came '85 mustang gt bob pitas 14 13 99 8 bpita ctp com ned , , nh \( cambridge , \) geddy lee \( \) disclaimer opinions mine , obviously , since end sig !
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject verbal garbage way new study gay percentage organization santa cruz lines 24 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 1993apr17 news cs brandeis edu , st923336 pip cc brandeis edu \( blort ! eeeep ! hwaaah \) writes would n't one expect heterosexual men gay men promiscuous simply due larger group potential partners \? thought matt might except gay men much promiscuous straight men shows damaged screwed gay men getting sad make ridiculous statements , based upon old information press democrat article poorly written please show numbers use much seen want true accurate , least show trend within everyday gay population kinds screwed up' people , gay keep , shoot position
stsci edu subject braves update ! ! lines 20 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 1993apr20 8983 adobe com , snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes 1 \) since time immemorial , batters complained calls pitchers catchers however , batters n't use go bad calls degree really think key point saw incident baseball tonight sunday , could n't believe far away plate gant went casually leaned bat n't blame umpire telling pitcher pitch worst part whole incident braves coming onto field going , attack umpire \? people 've cox maybe coaches , players agree person posted cox suspended control team john
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject disks copy protected lines 44 article fan ucdavis edu , ez019654 othello ucdavis edu \( victoria milliron \) says possibility software registration would distributor register copy software sold clerk sticks 's kind extra work one cannot expect store people imho would easier companies sell software cheaply possible sell customers detail manuals \( brain \) , quick reference books , books videos , paid support hot line \( 1 900 \) registered purchasers , part package seen many books teach people use dos , wp software suspect either users ca n't read manuals n't manuals either way , made btw books quite bit expensive reproduce 1 disk problem parallel port security keys \? n't used anything hardware key copy protection schemes , n't know drawbacks know companies make claim 're , popularity multitasking pseudo multitasking systems \( eg 5 , windoze , mack system 7 \) , pretty easy run debugger figure protection schemes tracing trapping application run time schemes like compressed software special would easy pray even beginner hackers hardware keys \( unless well designed totally transparent \) pain b using piece software windoze uses hardware key key printer stuff programs often unplugged software work properly 've seen cracks autodesk 3d studio floating around \( n't one n't ask \) heard port keys hacker remove modify code communicate port vamilliron othello ucd edu apologies , vi inhibits communication skills greatly k c lee elec eng grad student 5 , windoze , mack trademarked
gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) subject build neural networks \? summary build neural net hardware organization arizona state university lines 16 mmoss ic sunysb edu \( matthew moss \) writes words , sort neural network circuit could build visit local r shack \? marvin minsky \( hi \) writes building \? 1950s using motor driven vary weights reported circuits worked even tho wiring errors \( say robust \? \) cells vary light cmos ttl gates provide somewhat linear yet somewhat limiter transfer function often used low power gates , earlier gates , gain x8 leds probably output enough light easily control cds cells , even paper dark light regions , controlled pencil eraser , could also control cds resistance high input resistance cmos gates may let charge paper mylar caps serve memory allen sullivan
oracle com \( jeffrey \) subject sony color watchman 4sale distribution usa organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca lines 8 nntp posting host us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle sony color watchman , model 310 vhf uhf 86 , 400 pixels 2 7 inch \( \) screen dimensions 3 3 8 x 6 1 8 x 1 3 16 bright , colors , sharp \( unlike casio pocket tvs \) ac power adapter paid 300 00 asking 150 00 obo
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject juggling dodgers organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution lines 65 article gap caltech edu jeff smoggy gg caltech edu \( jeff \) writes netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes true \( note n't think \) , lasorda fired least two reasons 1 \) publicly humiliating players 2 \) knuckling players wishes write ! fact , statements rebuttal earlier posting made , strong rebuttal statements please ! slander shame fine line getting players' input knuckling players' demands manager , much like military officer , needs \( \) players' complete obedience respect game game , 's big deal , time react , players must trust manager team often falls apart \( see boston red sox , ff \) \) game , 's big deal \? \? \? \? employees leave workplace , n't matter say boss company \? strawberry 's represented media , often sounds like demands suspect comment like enjoy hitting fourth i'm used would get pretty brutally misinterpreted media came strawberry russ porter quoted strawberry saying , feel comfortable hitting cleanup think perform best role \( paraphrased memory bias \) seems like fairly non petulant answer almost certainly question like , feel moved third spot order \? first , 's ross porter second , really tired seeing kind response indicates parrot media person says writes brain choose characterize something certain fashion , 's believe accurate unnamed mediot made characterization media sensitive player might answer manager knows thinks batting third help team , 'd ignore answer brown stuff , seems little bit overreaction brand darryl 's response petulant brand darryl 's response petulant , never heard response darryl call name referred someone else concluded hate n't hate think 's disagree , fine stop putting words mouth beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
push world std com \( warren liu \) subject help 3d studio ipas organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 6 hi anyone please give ftp sites get ipas processes 3d studio 2 0 \? thanks warren 8 \)
mcimail com \( karl \) subject single launch space station x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 13 andy cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc com writes single launch core station concept shuttle external tank solid rocket boosters would used launch station orbit shuttle main engines would mounted tail station module launch jettisoned et separation jettison \? hold shuttle bring use spares \? karl sold soul uncle sam marked resale
cac washington edu \( diana \) subject anyone heard organization uw computing lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host cac washington edu keywords , pc friend recently bought used 286 brand n't come documentation trying find information computer question , anyone heard \? know anything please drop note thank diana u washington edu
nntp posting host 134 58 96 14 wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac \( wim van holder \) distribution world organization k u leuven applied economic sciences department subject head head win os 2 lines 31 article ehs unca edu , kepley photon phys unca edu writes article 1993may16 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes question next question even want run os 2 big monster machine run , diverse think 're requirements os 2 considering os 2 multi threaded true multitasking os takes place dos windows , actually think requirements os 2 also think anyone using windows 3 1 without 8 megs ram , 386 40 , 200 megs hard drive space , beating head wall also legitimate requirements os 2 fact , requirements windows 3 1 os 2 equal ! \? since mankind consider twice equal \? \? natural progress things government gain ground liberty yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days wim van holder universiteit leuven tel 32 \( 0 \) 16 28 57 16 departement e w fax 32 \( 0 \) 16 28 57 99 2 b 3000 leuven e mail wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac belgium cc1 kuleuven ac
cohen ssdgwy mdc com \( andy cohen \) subject report redesign team organization mda w lines 172 distribution world nntp posting host q5022531 mdc com following feed us posted already , number items seen yet redesign activities update following weekly status redesign , based information provided nasa headquarters station redesign team \( srt \) provided detailed status report advisory committee redesign space station april 22 day long meeting held facilities crystal city , va topics covered srt included preliminary mission goals statement space station science , technology engineering research assessment process design approach discussions management options operations concepts also held design teams presented three options study option modular buildup pete priest presented option priest said team working define station meets cost goals identified three distinct phases evolution power station , human tended permanent presence team define minimum capability needed achieve phase , total cost phase achievable capability budget levels option uses current simplified freedom hardware cost effective considering existing systems called bus 1 spacecraft , orbiter spacelab power station capability could achieved 3 flights freedom photo modules providing 20 kw power 30 day shuttle spacelab missions docked power station assumed phase human tended capability would provided addition u common module module adds subsystems 9 payload racks docking ports esa japanese laboratories 60 day missions orbiter docked station assumed phase different operation utilization modes studied phase option b freedom derived mike griffin presented status option b activities griffin detailed evolution freedom derived option , initial research capability , human tended capability , permanent human presence capability , two fault tolerance , finally permanent human capability griffin also outlined proposed systems changes baseline program , minor changes communications tracking system , crew health care system , major change data management system initial research capability would achieved 2 flights 28 5 degree inclination \( 3 flights 51 6 degrees \) consist extended duration orbiter spacelab combination docked truss segment 2 photo arrays providing 18 75 kw power human tended capability would achieved 6 flights add truss segments u lab permanent human presence capability would achieved 8 flights two orbiters providing habitation assured crew return two fault tolerance , achieved 11 flights , would build section truss another set pv modules , thermal control propulsion systems freedom derived configuration could achieve international complete state 16 flights three flights , bring habitat module , third pv array two assured crew return vehicles \( acrv \) would complete permanent human capability international stage griffin told redesign advisory committee eliminating hardware would , , meet budget guidelines freedom derived option major reductions must occur areas including program management , contractor non hardware , early utilization operations costs , said option c launch core station chet vaughn presented option c , single launch core station concept shuttle external tank solid rocket boosters would used launch station orbit shuttle main engines would mounted tail station module launch jettisoned et separation module , 23 feet diameter 92 feet long , would provide 26 , 000 cubic feet pressured volume , separated 7 decks connected centralized passageway seven berthing ports would located various places circumference module place international modules , elements would two fixed photo arrays producing approximately 40 kw power flying solar attitude closing comments redesign advisory committee , bryan o'connor said design freeze would established 3 options april 26 detailed costing options begin next meeting redesign advisory committee may 3 russian consultants arrive u delegation 16 russian space experts arrived u april 21 briefings srt members russian team began 22nd group includes russian space agency general director , v , also rsa others team include representatives ministry defense , design bureau salyut , institute biomedical problems , ministry foreign affairs , npo energia russian team briefed srt environmental control life support system , docking systems , proton launch vehicle , mir operations utilization , soyuz tm spacecraft russian consultants available srt assess capabilities mir space station , possible use mir russian capabilities systems part space station redesign available srt may 5 management operations review continues work continued srt management group dr walt brooks working develop family options solve current problems build foundation transition development operations various management options developed including lead center center director chain command host center program manager reporting directly associate administrator works dedicated program office small dedicated co located hand picked program office combine space station shuttle , space station becoming element current program major tune current organization , current contracts geographical distribution maintained streamlined operations group dr john cox building work operations phase assessment team lead gene nasa jsc , already begun comprehensive review operations concluded preliminary results significant cost reductions possible part work , operations group identified teams agency experts develop detailed evaluations design areas assembly operations , utilization , maintenance logistics testing ground operations 's week ahead \? design support teams provide comprehensive status option station redesign team monday tuesday point design frozen begin detailed cost assessment also week , team begin preparing next round discussions redesign advisory committee , held may 3 dr shea steps dr joe shea stepped director station redesign team april 22 bryan o'connor take activities team dr shea submitted resignation assistant deputy administrator space station analysis , continue serve special advisory nasa administrator goldin available consult srt mr goldin accepted resignation request dr shea reduce could key key dates srt currently carried schedule april 26 design freeze options costing april 27 design support team present selected options srt may 3 status report redesign advisory committee may 15 interim report redesign advisory committee june 7 final report redesign advisory committee \( oct 31 cancellation opinion ac \)
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject countersteering faq please post organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 67 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article zen sys uea ac uk , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes 1 us argue gyroscopes , etc , throughly understand technique countersteering including ones think countersteer way corner \? \? well way decreasing radius corner , anyway really thing disagree maybe agree disagree \? \? ok \( i'm right ! \) \) official line \( though doubts \) front brake applied first , followed rear brake , idea avoid locking rear weight transfer takes place 's official line taught rider education classes refering , also n't teach countersteering , question quality classes official line msf curricula described maximum braking achieved applying brakes equally , weight distribution nominally even tires equal normal forces , rear prevent locking , increasing braking front , traction available front due increased normal force due weight shift official line taught seems ineffective face applying rear brake front taking advantage traction available rear time 0 , available braking power using front time 0 saying , brake tire begins slide next useless advice newbie go slide tire find ! also gives zero information develop braking technique changes braking corresponding weight shift develop n't slide tyre , way knowing whether 've achieved maximum braking i'm suggesting always aim brake hard possibly want find limits machine , go beyond necessarily true tire indicates impending lockup \( surfaces \) , serves good guide newbies indicate maximum braking agree totally locking front occasionally makes one better rider , best saved experienced rider , unless one bikes like code used use case , maximum braking , \( suggested \) aim keep wheels point sliding , 'll exactly suggest ! ! true , point view best teach riding skills \( discussion started \) , keep wheels point sliding nearly useless information need teach technique , least strategy , achieve ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
tao balboa eng uci edu \( eric tao \) subject software sale , ms window 3 1 , ms works , pc tool 7 1 , dos 6 0 nntp posting host balboa eng uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 10 following software sale , prices , ms window 3 1 , gateway , manuals , 20 ms work manuals , 30 pc tools 7 1 manuals , 40 ms dos 6 0 ! 20 softwares almost new eric
jburgin ralph cs haverford edu \( joshua marc \) subject sale kenwood receiver organization haverford college computer science department lines 24 nntp posting host 130 58 179 176 sale kenwood audio visual surround sound receiver 1 5 yrs old , perfect condition , still 5 year warranty 75 watts x 2 front watts rear surround surround 3 video , 2 tape , 1 cd , 1 phono input full easy touch button control functions bass treble balance rear level knobs earphone input digital synthesized tuner presets full logic remote control volume , mute , tuner controls three outlets back , connect equipment turn time includes manuals , cables , original packaging great addition anyone starting home theater , stereo system originally purchased 379 , asking 150 email jburgin ralph cs haverford edu phone 215 645 thank time
randy megatek com \( randy davis \) subject krypto cables \( cobra locks \) reply randy megatek com organization megatek corporation , san diego , california distribution usa lines 29 article csundh30 ursa csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes follow , bad experience w krypto lock last year bought krypto cable ii \( 3 8 x3 4' long , something like \) standards seemed like decent piece used anyway , short , 3 8 cables seems pretty useless , would guess larger cable seems much better unit 've got larger cable 5 8 inch diameter \( actually , think larger \) , 4 feet long coils 8 9 inch coil , key lock like u locks worked fine two years , seems \( , anyway \) secure n't weaknesses u locks liquid nitrogen trick supposedly , much easier store tankbag u lock , versatile got mine one mail order houses \( motorcycle accessory warehouse , beleive \) , 42 combination ignition disable , couple , usually worry vandalism randy davis email randy megatek com zx 11 00072 pilot uunet ! ucsd ! megatek ! randy dod 0013 , one goes eleven nigel tufnel , spinal tap
folsom cup portal com \( keith e folsom \) subject lciii logic board work organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 22 purchased lciii recently heard bit work logic board opened mine found work , small chip glued board couple green wires running two chips 'd like know could anyone following information please post \? thanks bunch 1 work accomplish \( e , fix \) \? 2 technical details work \? \( i'm looking things purpose chips new wires connected , pin outs chips \) 3 board work different functionally one without \? 4 could worked boards incompatible future releases operating system \? , finally , 5 even concerned \? keith folsom folsom cup portal com
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun like american express card organization computer science department , stanford university distribution usa lines 32 article 93110 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes article 1993apr19 csd newshost stanford edu , andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) says wrong people legally carry concealed il circumstances many people carry concealed accuracy really much expect \? said n't another post referred illinois statutes looked law concealed carry type complete law post later would like prove correct using accurate information put sections good let 's look sections 'll prove point \( \) person commits offense unlawful use weapons knowingly \( 4 \) carries possesses vehicle concealed person except land abode fixed place business pistol , revolver , stun gun taser firearm note n't affect concealed carry \( look word except \) always helps read law commenting would prudent carry concealed \? someone home \? note legal , lot common people qualify one andy
pjs269 tijc02 uucp \( paul schmidt \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization advocates self government davy crockett chapter x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 27 chris holt newcastle ac uk \( chris holt \) writes 's quite possible buyer seller trust third party either trust , desire moderation third party random third party assumes right interfere transaction wishes primary participants , odds pretty good results detrimental try ensure process deciding whether introduce third parties n't random steve said , examples third parties less ignorant corrupt two primary parties knowledge able help \? third party able use persuasion sway transaction , hand , condone use force threat violence third party , trouble fourth party could say knows better parties 1 , 2 , 3 fifth party wins \? one use force threat force best words might makes right let 's abandon aggressive tactics work voluntary cooperation respect others libertarians want paul schmidt advocates self government , davy crockett chapter president 706 judith drive , johnson city , tn , \( 615 \) 283 , uunet ! tijc02 ! pjs269 freedom seems unleashed creative energies people leads ever higher levels income social progress u n report
kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) subject upi mother files complaint boy scouts keywords children , special interest , gambling , human interest , children 's education , education organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 18 default , followups 3 newsgroups short excerpt , wis \( upi \) mother filed complaint school board son 's elementary school parent teacher organization show discrimination supporting boy scouts said wednesday pto 's sponsorship boy scout troop cub scout pack meet hillside elementary school milwaukee discrimination boy scouts ban homosexuals pto president gail disputed charges discrimination said believes boy scouts beneficial carl kadie represent organization kadie cs uiuc edu
ludes hubcap clemson edu \( larry ludes ludwig \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization clemson university lines 18 stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes think windows useable , must use much windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir \( air \) bag expensive add brett must read many os 2 advertisements crash protection marketing gimick , n't funny 4 months using windows new machine 've crash , n't run mill configuration microsoft leader innovation , certainly know build better , 's wrong \? \? larry ludes ludwig 's always taken twice get clemson university compsci undergrad right never heard ludes hubcap clemson edu apple ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs
adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu subject bmw 528i nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 12 article 1993apr26 westminster ac uk , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes article 1993apr25 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes radio work untill car warms honk horn \( ! \) ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! cant stop killing ! ! ! ! ! dead serious posted actually attempt explanation phenomenon , 'll keep guessing still want responces , got exactly 0 mike
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center uicvm uic edu subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? armory centerline com 1993apr22 convex com lines 21 've valentine 9 months agree best det available point trust reliability 've able tr ust valentine detector 've valentine sa ys moderate strong radar source front , 's mo likely speed trap detectors , 've gotten many 've begun ignore warnings n't want drive like one foot brake one gas pedal directional indicator really , really helps plus , info almost ys better less info matter smart radar detectors get , human br usually smarter , i'm going make based information hand , want info get plus , divide overall th radar signal number reported , 'll find bogey pretty weak therefore radar threat detectors , yo u 'll get one strong warning logic may faulty , think works okay although , must admit n't really noticed reflection problem one radar thomas
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization hms lines 29 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article bson nutrimat gnu ai mit edu bson gnu ai mit edu \( jan brittenson \) writes n't mean much since statistics mostly based 5 game playoff format , yes , looks dark b 's disappointment fat lady hit first note okay , 3 0 deficits \? b 's chances comeback less 1 \( 's based 7 game playoff format \) think gets start game three \? hope going blue team rally around , maybe moog got start headlines boston local tv said sutter blue ! harry sinden 's appearance outside b 's dressing room game 3 pathetic site said something really retarded cover sutter 's behind , game winning losing harry , check schedule ! team playoffs go long summer vacation sunday morning ! harry never admit screwed major way brought one dumbest people business , brian sutter sutter 's playoff record head coach st louis speaks blues really chance advance second round year ppv mark
subject strong weak atheism ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \( scott sauyet \) distribution world nntp posting host wesleyan edu x news reader vms news 1 20in reply mathew 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 12 20 32 22 lines 22 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew writes faq ever got modified define strong atheists assert nonexistence god , assert believe nonexistence god \? word , yes mathew mathew could let us know happened , see version date possible \? try save faqs , otherwise ignore regular postings , would n't generally notice change like stay current thanks , scott
pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) subject jewish ballplayers organization state university new york albany lines 16 reply informix com 's message 19 apr 93 22 39 30 gmt list jewish ballplayers includes levi samuel \( son jacob margaret \) although sounds like jewish name , 's surviving relatives say n't jewish , according nineteenth century stars , published sabr 1989 incidentally , long levi \( 6 foot 1 \) batted 492 first season national association , first pro league needless say , n't topped yet \( course , na considered major league \) five seasons , hit 368 na also played first three seasons nl , hitting 329 phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu
tartarus uwa edu au \( desmond chan \) subject info merc 300e 2 6 summary questions merc 300e 2 6 keywords questions merc 300e 2 6 reader , anyone tell reliability performance merc 300e 2 6 years 91 anyone please specify weaknesses \( \) g organization university western australia lines 3 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 1 cheek
andrey v tolsty nsk uucp free msk su subject analysis text utils \( ocr \) wanted \( ibm pc \) distribution world organization nsk ran reply tolsty nsk uucp free msk su lines 31 tolsty thu apr 23 21 32 35 1992 su newsgroups comp , comp graphics digest , comp graphics , comp binaries ibm pc wanted , alt graphics , bit listserv message id nsk uucp free msk su organization nsk ran andrey v tolsty nsk uucp free msk su date thu , 23 apr 1992 21 32 35 0200 subject analysis text reading utils needed \( ibm pc \) distribution msk hi ! anybody know reliable utils read english texts scanner \? want analysis quality recognition , want read texts get fax \( know quality faxes rather bad \) scanner b w exist good software needs specifications , ok please , send messages e mail conference server , 'll summarize consider recomendations thank ! ! ! andrey v scientific council complex problem , russian academy sciences e mail tolsty nsk uucp free msk su tel fax \( 095 \) 129
subject computer repairs br4416a auvm american edu organization american university university computing center lines 9 anyone know one become educated art repairing macintosh computers \? also , one gain prestige refered authorized apple service person \? anyone actually done maybe even know someone would appreciate comments subject ben roy internet br4416a american edu pcs \( poor college student \)
tatsuya math byu edu \( tatsuya kawasaki \) subject silver sale organization brigham young university lines 15 nntp posting host math byu edu italian made silver sale size 20 , 24 26 \( \? \) low 2 00 shipping \( less \) rope design weight around 9 grams 20 9 00 rope weight around 25 gram 20 17 00 left please respond asap tatsuya
steel hal gnu ai mit edu \( nick steel \) subject mufti \? meanwhile support genocide bosnians organization etc organization lines 20 nntp posting host hal ai mit edu article cunyvm bitnet yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet writes condemn mufti nazi leanings , condemn supporters , also condemning similarly genocidal killing innocents , muslim , herzegovina \? hatred bigotry remain , matter practices indeed , like ugly hatred spread kahane , right \? exempt condemnation , allowed hate \? know 'll answer indirectly , n't bother bit keep steel \( 's never pissed \)
lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject new study gay percentage organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 32 article 1993apr20 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes article codewks nacjack gen nz , system codewks nacjack gen nz \( wayne mcdougall \) writes hmmm , statistics \? offer references studies 've seen indicate higher proportion homosexuals prison general population , n't think allows default refer prison normal situation n't seen anything suggests default proportion lower general population \( although seems plausible \) anyway , say , provide references \? arguement \? simply statement fact homosexuals prison mean homosexuals immoral liable commit crime one must remember prison necessarily reflection type people criminals statistics crime \? also question cause effect lock mostly straight guy 10 years guys , ask ten years later ever sex guy closing eyes pretending girl sucking still counts sex guy survey join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
georgian tigger jvnc net \( ops mgr \) subject 210m scsi hd 3 5 sale summary new drives , unused originator ens tigger jvnc net keywords 210m scsi disk drives forsale nntp posting host tigger jvnc net reply lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu organization jvncnet lines 35 please reply seller 210m formatted scsi hard disk 3 5 rodime \( 3 available \) new drives , unused capacity , formatted mbytes 210 0 number data heads 5 number cylinders 1 , 235 track density , 1700 positioning times track track average full stroke \( max \) rotational speed , rpm 3600 avg rotational latency 8 scsi bus transfer rate 4m sec cache guaranteed works sun , pc , mac , misc workstations internal drives external drive enclosure included price 225 , including cod insured shipping within continental u please email responses lee lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu
pagan dpw com \( kathleen pagan \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! distribution usa organization dp w , new york , ny lines 23 originator pagan dpw com article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu \( bill green \) writes 1 \) could possible taken koresh outside compound time feb 28th raid \? yes , local sheriff stated anytime wanted talk koresh , call koresh would come one point , i'm fan janet reno , like way balls go ahead take full responsibility seems like waffle boy problems figuring stood issue full agree think ridiculous even talk janet reno sometime tuesday , however , talk wendell \( \? \) really attorney general \? \? \? \? hopefully investigation answer bizarre questions
m88max tdb uu se \( max brante \) subject pinout standard \( mono \) vga monitor \? organization department scientific computing , uppsala university lines 12 subject line says thanks l l \( \) max brante m88max tdb uu se l l l l l l l l l \( \( \) l f r l l l l l l \( \) uppsala universitet
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject div conf names distribution na organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 28 nntp posting host stpl ists ca article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes several problems way game presented fans feel geographical names would enhance regional loyalties names honouring personages think compromise would work namely honouring personages conference names , using geographical references divisional names although still think move draw fans game imo 's cosmetic change bettman owners hope effect n't say much mentality anybody works , either another thing bothers points system percentages , used major sports clearly informative look nhl standings first thing make quick calculation account games hand \( almost always case \) object percentages , claiming perhaps , sport surprise , agree totally points system fine , everybody times played number games since almost never case , winning percentage way go n't particularly care american thing either , works dchhabra stpl ists ca
qman casbah acns nwu edu \( charlie kuehmann \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? nntp posting host ironman ms nwu edu organization northwestern university lines 37 article austin ibm com , kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) wrote yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul empirical evidence support first statement true , power surge startup potential damage , internal power supply well protected \( 've turned mac six seven times day three years without problem \) monitor leave waste lot electricity twice much television , possibly turn 're using 'll save money world resources problem turing computer constantly due power surge start due thermal fatigue turn computer , heats , everything expands turn , cools , everything contracts limited number cycles component take fails modern electronics much robust respect fact portable computers designed mind since sleep function extends battery life also greatly number thermal cycles occur rule thumb , going use computer \( includes monitor \) next 4 6 hours , turn \( always dim monitor use prolong life phosphor \) tend think pace technical innovation computer industry much less concerned fatigue life equipment concerned long particular architecture supported hardware software vendors \) charles kuehmann northwestern university steel research group
ggruscho nyx cs du edu \( george gruschow \) subject disks copy protected organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 98 sehari iastate edu \( babak sehari \) writes 1993apr20 230749 12821 reed edu mblock reed edu \( matt block \) writes article sehari marge ecss iastate edu sehari iastate edu \( babak sehari \) writes wondering , copy protection techniques avaliable , effective \? anyone experience area \? highest regards , babak sehari uh oh umm , number copy protection schemes involve modifying physical media , involve encryption schemes , c ones existed course computing successful time recall , however , near monthly releases new ways crack copy protection scheme latest releases fact , none completely secure , anywhere near less difficult crack , already cracked guess saying question difficult , impossible , answer exactly want know \? need good one project working \? secure must \? trying crack one someone else used \? probably make suggestions , assuming activity strictly legal \( general , bad idea , legally , tamper copy protection also lead corruption files necessarily back ups \( copy protected , \) devestating \) absolutely ideas practical applications , merely curious \? please clear questions , 'll try help much incidentally , uh oh top indicative dread anyone watched friends hacking equipment carted feels asked hack area wrought dangers , many include breaking law , least addressing \( one side \) matt written program want market would like certain degree protection , since main individuals know laser hole burning method , hardware key method , however , software going cost 15 00 , afford also , low price afford people make many copy software well , guess say upto 20 copying ok however , want someone get copy pctools copy software course , never meant forbid true hackers copying , since develope better program anyway highest regards , babak sehari one popular methods course password check ask word page x , line , word z , simple remove unless throw main part program , self rewriting code confuse people also , make sure program run debugger another method course even make bad sectors original disk , write certain key certain sector help , also must code protection schemes mentioned first paragraph make sure also fill rest parts disk garbage well , \( wanna crackers \) look junk random sector like mentioned , laser holed disks hardware keys , expensive pain butt end user , opposite want another configuration used save configuration machine installed format think program find system , requests installed original disk original disk encrypted , , many sectors checked , anything else think make sure original cannot copied , must put code encryption , self rewriting code , multiple crc checks program make sure get changed among things , also protects program virii program detects change code , tell user virus detected program tell program virus secure , remember , helped world kill pirating kill viruses feel good hope helped fun knock cracking \( well , ca n't , everything written cracked , 'll process ! \) goodbye program sold \? george gruschow death yfn ysu edu ggruscho nyx cs du edu
ssc sas upenn edu \( andrew white \) subject compilation problems 1985 chevy caprice distribution na organization social science computing , univ penn lines 51 nntp posting host ssc sas upenn edu 85 caprice classic 120k miles finally reached threshold total number mechanical problems forced post \) anyone might able give pointers one , please e mail post ! 1 making turns , especially accelerating , usually loud thunk rear car sounds like could differential could cause \? differential going bad \? recently differential fluid changed , tiny metal bits \( , sound something rolling around trunk ! \) 2 starting car , get blue \( oil \) smoke exhaust 5 10 seconds exhaust valves going bad \? worn rings \? anyone know whether valves 4 3 engine \? 3 brakes pedal travel feel comfortable , master cylinder full fluid relatively clear pedal slowly sink floor held pedal feel , suppose bleeding brakes might help could anything else cause \? 4 tranny tranny problems seem slowly getting worse takes almost 2 seconds downshift 3rd 2nd heavy throttle application , recently , reluctant shift 2nd 3rd fluid \( checked car running tranny put gears back park , per haynes manual \) red clear , full mark 5 springs around shot 4 new shocks , car still skips bumps turns moderate high speed hard change \? reconditioned \? 'd interested hearing gm full size owners stories tell advice philly , cars apparently stolen \( ! \) quite often converted taxis apparently cab conversion shops get junk title car switch car 60 philly caprice 's , rest crown vic 's old new \( \) andrew white sas upenn edu
bevan cs man ac uk \( stephen j bevan \) subject good jesus died \? 1993apr21 9999 organpipe uug arizona edu netcom com 1993apr22 organpipe uug arizona edu organization department computer science , university manchester lines 7 reply brian lpl arizona edu 's message 22 apr 93 21 31 42 gmt article 1993apr22 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes , n't matter evil things good things meaningless end anyway go rob bank go tell someone dislike dirty rotten slime bag 's restraining \? generally ,
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject overreaction \? organization partnership america free drug distribution na lines 29 jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes one happily sleeping people , would like ask n't people slightly overreacting \? sudden going draw parallels nazi germany communist russia \? point matter yes serious problem end world guess \? 're something ca n't communist country nazi germany 're complaining , \( rather , 're complaining \) nobody shooting us would like keep way thats point reacting strongly forcefully , assure continue remain free cannot overreact threat like worst happens overreact waste time effort worst happens tyranny prefer overreaction guess people \? live one countries world person complain without getting shot n't tell precious hard maintain freedom \? centuries overreaction managed maintain state even moderate freedom suggest overreacting future good thing perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 3 set heart eat drink worry luke 12 29
jplpost jpl nasa gov \( jpl public information \) subject jpl info summary solar system glance organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 1160 nntp posting host jpl nasa gov file text image files jpl missions available jpl info public access computer site , reachable internet via anonymous ftp pubinfo jpl nasa gov \( 128 149 6 2 \) dialup modem 1 \( 818 \) 354 1333 , 9600 bits per second , parameters n 8 1 solar system glance information summary pms 010 \( jpl \) june 1991 jpl 410 34 1 6 91 nasa national aeronautics space administration jet propulsion laboratory california technology pasadena , california printed copy publication contact public mail office nasa center geographic region introduction small world upon cosmic ocean untold thousands years ancient astronomers observed points light appeared move among stars called objects planets , meaning wanderers , named roman deities jupiter , king gods mars , god war mercury , messenger gods venus , god love beauty , saturn , father jupiter god agriculture also observed comets sparkling tails , shooting stars apparently falling sky science flourished european renaissance fundamental physical laws governing planetary motion discovered , orbits planets around sun calculated 17th century , astronomers pointed new device called telescope heavens made startling discoveries years since 1959 amounted golden age solar system exploration rocketry world war ii enabled machines break grip earth 's gravity travel moon planets united states sent automated spacecraft , human expeditions , explore moon automated machines orbited landed venus mars explored sun 's environment observed comets , made close range surveys flying past mercury , jupiter , saturn , uranus neptune travelers brought quantum leap knowledge understanding solar system electronic sight senses automated spacecraft , color given worlds centuries appeared earth bound eyes fuzzy disks indistinct points light dozens previously unknown objects discovered future historians likely view pioneering flights solar system remarkable achievements 20th century automated spacecraft national aeronautics space administration 's \( nasa 's \) automated spacecraft solar system exploration come many shapes sizes designed fulfill separate specific mission objectives , craft share much common spacecraft consists various scientific instruments selected particular mission , supported basic subsystems electrical power , trajectory orientation control , well processing data communicating earth electrical power required operate spacecraft instruments systems nasa uses solar energy arrays photovoltaic cells small nuclear generators power solar system missions rechargeable batteries employed backup supplemental power imagine spacecraft successfully journeyed millions miles space fly one time near planet , cameras sensing instruments pointed wrong way speeds past target ! help prevent , subsystem small thrusters used control spacecraft thrusters linked devices maintain constant gaze selected stars earth 's early used stars navigate oceans , spacecraft use stars maintain bearings space subsystem locked onto fixed points reference , flight controllers keep spacecraft 's scientific instruments pointed target body craft 's communications antennas pointed toward earth thrusters also used fine tune flight path speed spacecraft ensure target body encountered planned distance proper trajectory 1959 1971 , nasa spacecraft dispatched study moon solar environment also scanned inner planets earth mercury , venus mars three worlds , , known terrestrial planets share solid rock composition early planetary reconnaissance missions , nasa employed highly successful series spacecraft called mariners flights helped shape planning later missions 1962 1975 , seven mariner missions conducted first surveys planetary neighbors space mariners used solar panels primary power source first final versions spacecraft two wings covered photovoltaic cells mariners equipped four solar panels extending bodies although mariners ranged mariner 2 venus spacecraft , weighing 203 kilograms \( 447 pounds \) , mariner 9 mars orbiter , weighing 974 kilograms \( 2 , 147 pounds \) , basic design remained quite similar throughout program mariner 5 venus spacecraft , example , originally backup mariner 4 mars flyby mariner 10 spacecraft sent venus mercury used components left mariner 9 mars orbiter program 1972 , nasa launched pioneer 10 , jupiter spacecraft interest shifting four outer planets jupiter , saturn , uranus neptune giant balls dense gas quite different terrestrial worlds already surveyed four nasa spacecraft two pioneers two voyagers sent 1970s tour outer regions solar system distances involved , travelers took anywhere 20 months 12 years reach destinations barring faster spacecraft , eventually become first human artifacts journey distant stars sun 's light becomes faint outer solar system , travelers use solar power instead operate electricity generated heat decay nasa also developed highly specialized spacecraft revisit neighbors mars venus middle late 1970s twin viking landers equipped serve weather stations biology laboratories two advanced orbiters descendants mariner craft carried viking landers earth studied martian features two drum shaped pioneer spacecraft visited venus 1978 pioneer venus orbiter equipped radar instrument allowed see planet 's dense cloud cover study surface features pioneer venus carried four probes dropped clouds probes main body contained scientific instruments radioed information planet 's atmosphere descent toward surface new generation automated spacecraft including magellan , galileo , ulysses , mars observer , comet rendezvous asteroid flyby \( craf \) cassini developed sent solar system make detailed examinations increase understanding neighborhood planet sun discussion objects solar system must start sun sun bodies , representing approximately 99 86 percent mass solar system planets , moons , asteroids , comets , dust gas add 0 14 percent 0 14 percent represents material left sun 's formation one hundred nine earths would required fit across sun 's disk , interior could hold 1 3 million earths star , sun generates energy process fusion temperature sun 's core 15 million degrees celsius \( 27 million degrees fahrenheit \) , pressure 340 billion times earth 's air pressure sea level sun 's surface temperature 5 , 500 degrees celsius \( 10 , 000 degrees fahrenheit \) seems almost chilly compared core temperature solar core , hydrogen fuse helium , producing energy sun also produces strong magnetic field streams charged particles , extending far beyond planets sun appears active 4 6 billion years enough fuel go another five billion years end life , sun start fuse helium heavier elements begin swell , ultimately growing large swallow earth billion years red giant , suddenly collapse white dwarf final end product star like may take trillion years cool completely many spacecraft explored sun 's environment , none gotten closer surface approximately two thirds distance earth sun pioneers 5 11 , pioneer venus orbiter , voyagers 1 2 spacecraft sampled solar environment ulysses spacecraft , launched october 6 , 1990 , joint solar mission nasa european space agency using jupiter 's gravity change trajectory , ulysses fly sun 's polar regions 1994 1995 perform wide range studies using nine onboard scientific instruments fortunate sun exactly way different almost way , life would almost certainly never developed earth mercury obtaining first close views mercury primary objective mariner 10 spacecraft , launched november 3 , 1973 , kennedy space center florida journey nearly five months , included flyby venus , spacecraft passed within 703 kilometers \( 437 miles \) solar system 's planet march 29 , 1974 mariner 10 , little known mercury even best views earth showed mercury indistinct object lacking surface detail planet close sun usually lost solar glare planet visible earth 's horizon sunset dawn , obscured haze dust atmosphere radar telescopes gave hint mercury 's surface conditions prior voyage mariner 10 photographs mariner 10 radioed back earth revealed ancient , heavily cratered surface , closely resembling moon pictures also showed huge cliffs planet apparently created mercury 's interior cooled , planet 's crust cliffs high 3 kilometers \( 2 miles \) long 500 kilometers \( 310 miles \) instruments mariner 10 discovered mercury weak magnetic field trace atmosphere density earth 's atmosphere composed chiefly argon , neon helium planet 's orbit takes closest sun , surface temperatures range 467 degrees celsius \( 872 degrees fahrenheit \) mercury 's side 183 degrees celsius \( 298 degrees fahrenheit \) dark side range surface temperature 650 degrees celsius \( 1 , 170 degrees fahrenheit \) largest single body solar system mercury literally freezes time days nights long mercury combination slow rotation relative stars \( 59 earth days \) rapid revolution around sun \( 88 earth days \) means one mercury solar day takes 176 earth days two mercury years time takes planet complete two orbits around sun ! mercury appears crust light rock like earth scientists believe mercury heavy iron rich core making slightly less half volume would make mercury 's core larger , , moon 's core planets initial mercury encounter , mariner 10 made two additional flybys september 21 , 1974 , march 16 , 1975 control gas used orient spacecraft exhausted mission concluded flyby took place local mercury time identical half planet illuminated result , still seen one half planet 's surface venus veiled dense cloud cover , venus nearest planetary neighbor first planet explored mariner 2 spacecraft , launched august 27 , 1962 , first dozen successful american soviet missions study mysterious planet spacecraft flew orbited venus , plunged atmosphere gently landed venus' surface , romantic myths speculations neighbor laid rest december 14 , 1962 , mariner 2 passed within 34 , 839 kilometers \( 21 , 648 miles \) venus became first spacecraft scan another planet onboard instruments measured venus 42 minutes mariner 5 , launched june 1967 , flew much closer planet passing within 4 , 094 kilometers \( 2 , 544 miles \) venus second american flyby , mariner 5 's instruments measured planet 's magnetic field , , radiation belts temperatures way mercury , mariner 10 flew venus transmitted ultraviolet pictures earth showing cloud circulation patterns venusian atmosphere spring summer 1978 , two spacecraft launched mysteries venus december 4 year , pioneer venus orbiter became first spacecraft placed orbit around planet five days later , five separate components making second spacecraft pioneer venus entered venusian atmosphere different locations planet four small , independent probes main body radioed atmospheric data back earth descent toward surface although designed examine atmosphere , one probes survived impact surface continued transmit data another hour venus resembles earth size , physical composition density closely known planet however , spacecraft discovered significant differences well example , venus' rotation \( west east \) \( backward \) compared east west spin earth planets approximately 96 5 percent venus' atmosphere \( 95 times dense earth 's \) carbon dioxide principal constituent earth 's atmosphere nitrogen venus' atmosphere acts like greenhouse , permitting solar radiation reach surface trapping heat would ordinarily radiated back space result , planet 's average surface temperature 482 degrees celsius \( 900 degrees fahrenheit \) , hot enough melt lead radio altimeter pioneer venus orbiter provided first means seeing planet 's dense cloud cover determining surface features almost entire planet nasa 's magellan spacecraft , launched may 5 , 1989 , orbit around venus since august 10 , 1990 spacecraft uses radar mapping techniques provide resolution images surface magellan revealed landscape dominated volcanic features , faults impact craters huge areas surface show evidence multiple periods lava flooding flows lying top previous ones elevated region named ishtar terra lava filled basin large united states one end plateau sits maxwell , mountain size mount everest scarring mountain 's 100 kilometer \( 62 mile \) wide , 2 5 kilometer \( 1 5 mile \) deep impact crater named \( almost features venus named women maxwell , alpha beta exceptions \) craters survive venus perhaps 400 million years water little wind erosion extensive fault line networks cover planet , probably result flexing produces plate earth venus surface temperature sufficient weaken rock , cracks everywhere , preventing formation major plates large earthquake faults like san andreas fault california venus' predominant weather pattern high altitude , high speed circulation clouds contain sulfuric acid speeds reaching high 360 kilometers \( 225 miles \) per hour , clouds circle planet four earth days circulation direction west east venus' slow rotation 243 earth days , whereas earth 's winds blow directions west east east west six alternating bands venus' atmosphere serves simplified laboratory study weather earth viewed space , world 's distinguishing characteristics blue waters , brown green land masses white clouds ocean air consisting 78 percent nitrogen , 21 percent oxygen 1 percent constituents planet solar system known harbor life , earth orbits sun average distance 150 million kilometers \( 93 million miles \) earth third planet sun fifth largest solar system , diameter hundred kilometers larger venus planet 's rapid spin molten nickel iron core give rise extensive magnetic field , , along atmosphere , shields us nearly harmful radiation coming sun stars earth 's atmosphere protects us well , burn strike surface active geological processes left evidence earth almost certainly received soon formed 4 6 billion years ago along newly formed planets , space debris early days solar system space , learned much home planet first american satellite explorer 1 launched cape canaveral florida january 31 , 1958 , discovered intense radiation zone , called van allen radiation belts , surrounding earth since , research satellites revealed planet 's magnetic field distorted tear drop shape solar wind stream charged particles continuously ejected sun 've learned magnetic field fade space definite boundaries know upper atmosphere , believed calm , activity swelling day contracting night affected changes solar activity , upper atmosphere contributes weather climate earth besides affecting earth 's weather , solar activity gives rise dramatic visual phenomenon atmosphere charged particles solar wind become trapped earth 's magnetic field , air molecules planet 's magnetic poles air molecules begin glow known northern southern lights satellites 35 , 789 kilometers \( 22 , 238 miles \) space play major role daily local weather electronic eyes warn us dangerous storms continuous global monitoring provides vast amount useful data contributes better understanding earth 's complex weather systems unique vantage points , satellites survey earth 's oceans , land use resources , monitor planet 's health eyes space saved countless lives , provided tremendous shown us may altering planet dangerous ways moon moon earth 's single natural satellite first human alien world made american astronauts dusty surface , companion preparation human apollo expeditions , nasa dispatched automated ranger , surveyor lunar orbiter spacecraft study moon 1964 1968 nasa 's apollo program left large legacy lunar materials data six two astronaut crews landed explored lunar surface 1969 1972 , carrying back collection rocks soil weighing total 382 kilograms \( 842 pounds \) consisting 2 , 000 separate samples material studies , scientists constructed history moon includes infancy rocks collected lunar date 4 0 4 3 billion years old first million years moon 's existence violent traces period remain molten outer layer gradually cooled different kinds rock , moon bombarded huge asteroids smaller objects asteroids large rhode island delaware , collisions moon created hundreds kilometers across catastrophic bombardment approximately four billion years ago , leaving lunar covered huge , overlapping craters deep layer shattered broken rock heat produced decay radioactive elements began melt interior moon depths 200 kilometers \( 125 miles \) surface , next 700 million years 3 8 3 1 billion years ago lava rose inside moon lava gradually spread surface , flooding large impact form dark areas galileo , astronomer italian renaissance , called maria , meaning seas far tell , significant volcanic activity moon three billion years since , lunar surface altered , atomic particles sun stars , rare impacts large meteorites spacecraft astronauts astronauts landed moon billion years ago , would seen landscape similar one today thousands years , left apollo crews remain sharp clear origin moon still mystery four theories attempt explanation moon formed near earth separate body torn earth formed somewhere else captured planet 's gravity , result collision earth asteroid size mars last theory good support far certain mars planets , mars long considered solar system 's prime candidate extraterrestrial life astronomers studying red planet telescopes saw appeared straight lines surface observations later determined optical illusions led popular notion intelligent beings constructed system planet 1938 , broadcast radio drama based science fiction classic war worlds h g wells , enough people believed tale invading cause near panic another reason scientists expect life mars apparent color changes planet 's surface phenomenon led speculation conditions might support bloom martian vegetation warmer months cause plant life become dormant colder periods far , six american missions mars carried four mariner spacecraft three flying planet one placed martian orbit surveyed planet extensively viking orbiters landers arrived mariner 4 , launched late 1964 , flew past mars july 14 , 1965 , coming within 9 , 846 kilometers \( 6 , 118 miles \) surface transmitting earth 22 close pictures planet , spacecraft found many craters naturally occurring channels evidence artificial flowing water mariners 6 7 followed flybys summer 1969 returned 201 pictures mariners 4 , 6 7 showed diversity surface conditions well thin , cold , dry atmosphere carbon dioxide may 30 , 1971 , mariner 9 orbiter launched mission make year long study martian surface spacecraft arrived five half months lift , find mars midst planet wide dust storm made surface photography impossible several weeks storm cleared , mariner 9 began returning first 7 , 329 pictures revealed previously unknown martian features , including evidence large amounts water flowed across surface , river valleys flood plains august september 1975 , viking 1 2 spacecraft consisting orbiter lander lifted kennedy space center mission designed answer several questions red planet , including , life \? nobody expected spacecraft spot martian cities , hoped biology experiments viking landers would least find evidence primitive life past present viking lander 1 became first spacecraft successfully touch another planet landed july 20 , 1976 , united states celebrating photos sent back planitia \( plains gold \) showed bleak , rusty red landscape images returned lander revealed rolling plain , rocks marked sand fine red dust martian soil gives sky salmon hue viking lander 2 touched utopia planitia september 3 , 1976 , viewed rolling landscape one seen predecessor one without visible results sent back laboratory viking lander inconclusive small samples red martian soil tested three different experiments designed detect biological processes test results seemed indicate biological activity , later analysis confirmed activity nature related planet 's soil chemistry life mars \? one knows sure , viking mission found evidence organic molecules exist viking landers became weather stations , recording wind velocity direction well atmospheric temperature pressure weather changes observed highest temperature recorded either craft 14 degrees celsius \( 7 degrees fahrenheit \) viking lander 1 site lowest temperature , 120 degrees celsius \( 184 degrees fahrenheit \) , recorded viking lander 2 site winter near hurricane wind speeds measured two martian weather stations global dust storms , atmosphere thin , wind force minimal viking lander 2 photographed light patches frost probably water ice second winter planet martian atmosphere , like venus , primarily carbon dioxide nitrogen oxygen present small percentages martian air contains 1 1 , 000 much water air , even small amount condense , forming clouds ride high atmosphere around slopes volcanoes local patches early morning fog form valleys evidence past martian atmosphere may allowed water flow planet physical features closely resembling , , islands suggest great rivers marked planet mars two moons , phobos deimos small shaped possess ancient , cratered surfaces possible moons originally asteroids close mars captured gravity viking orbiters landers exceeded large margins design lifetimes 120 90 days , respectively first fail viking orbiter 2 , stopped operating july 24 , 1978 , leak attitude control gas viking lander 2 operated april 12 , 1980 , shut battery degeneration viking orbiter 1 quit august 7 , 1980 , last attitude control gas used viking lander 1 ceased functioning november 13 , 1983 despite inconclusive results viking biology experiments , know mars planet except earth nasa 's mars observer spacecraft , launched september 1992 , expand knowledge martian environment lead human exploration red planet asteroids solar system large number rocky metallic objects orbit around sun small considered full fledged planets objects known asteroids minor planets , , found band belt orbits mars jupiter orbits cross earth 's path , evidence earth hit asteroids past one least eroded , best preserved examples meteor crater near , arizona asteroids material left formation solar system one theory suggests remains planet destroyed massive collision long ago likely , asteroids material never planet fact , estimated total mass asteroids gathered single object , object would 1 , 500 kilometers \( 932 miles \) across less half diameter moon thousands asteroids identified earth estimated 100 , 000 bright enough eventually photographed earth based telescopes much understanding asteroids comes examining pieces space debris fall surface earth asteroids collision course earth called strikes atmosphere high velocity , friction causes chunk space matter incinerate streak light known meteor burn completely , 's left strikes earth 's surface called meteorite one best places look meteorites ice cap meteorites examined , 92 8 percent composed \( stone \) , 5 7 percent composed iron nickel rest mixture three materials stony meteorites hardest identify since look much like terrestrial rocks since asteroids material early solar system , scientists interested composition spacecraft flown asteroid belt found belt really quite empty asteroids separated large distances current future missions fly selected asteroids closer examination galileo orbiter , launched nasa october 1989 , investigate main belt asteroids way jupiter comet rendezvous asteroid flyby \( craf \) cassini missions also study far flung objects scheduled launch latter part 1990s , craf cassini missions collaborative project nasa , european space agency federal space agencies germany italy , well united states air force department energy one day , space factories mine asteroids raw materials jupiter beyond mars asteroid belt , outer regions solar system , lie giant planets jupiter , saturn , uranus neptune 1972 , nasa dispatched first four spacecraft slated conduct initial surveys worlds gas moons ice rock jupiter first port call pioneer 10 , lifted kennedy space center march 1972 , first spacecraft penetrate asteroid belt travel outer regions solar system december 1973 , returned first close images jupiter , flying within 132 , 252 kilometers \( 82 , 178 miles \) planet 's cloud tops pioneer 11 followed year later voyagers 1 2 launched summer 1977 returned spectacular photographs jupiter family satellites flybys 1979 travelers found jupiter ball liquid hydrogen helium , topped colorful atmosphere composed mostly gaseous hydrogen helium ammonia ice crystals form white jovian clouds sulfur compounds \( perhaps phosphorus \) may produce brown orange hues characterize jupiter 's atmosphere likely methane , ammonia , water gases react form organic molecules regions planet 's cloud tops warmer hydrogen ocean lying jupiter 's atmospheric dynamics , however , organic compounds exist probably short lived great red spot observed centuries telescopes earth hurricane like storm jupiter 's atmosphere twice size planet high pressure region , great red spot spins direction opposite low pressure storms jupiter surrounded swirling currents rotate around spot sometimes consumed great red spot might million years old spacecraft detected lightning jupiter 's upper atmosphere observed auroral emissions similar earth 's northern lights jovian polar regions voyager 1 returned first images faint , narrow ring jupiter largest solar system 's planets , jupiter rotates pace every 9 hours 55 minutes 30 seconds massive planet takes almost 12 earth years complete journey around sun 16 known moons , jupiter something miniature solar system new mission jupiter galileo project way six year cruise takes galileo orbiter past venus , twice past earth moon past two asteroids , spacecraft drop atmospheric probe jupiter 's cloud layers relay data back earth galileo orbiter spend two years circling planet flying close jupiter 's large moons , exploring detail two pioneers two voyagers revealed galilean satellites , galileo aimed telescope jupiter spotted four points light orbiting planet first time , humans seen moons another world honor , four bodies would become known galilean satellites moons galileo might happily traded honor one look photographs returned voyager spacecraft flew past planet sized satellites one remarkable findings voyager mission presence active volcanoes galilean moon io volcanic never observed world earth voyager cameras identified least nine active volcanoes io , ejected material extending far 280 kilometers \( 175 miles \) moon 's surface io 's pizza colored terrain , marked orange yellow hues , probably result sulfur rich materials brought surface volcanic activity volcanic activity satellite result tidal flexing caused gravitational tug war io , jupiter three galilean moons europa , approximately size moon , brightest galilean satellite moon 's surface displays complex array streaks , indicating crust caught gravitational tug war like io , europa heated enough cause interior ice melt apparently producing liquid water ocean ocean covered ice crust formed water exposed cold space europa 's core made rock sank center like europa , two galilean moons ganymede callisto worlds ice rock ganymede largest satellite solar system larger planets mercury pluto satellite composed 50 percent water ice rest rock ganymede 's surface areas different brightness , indicating , past , material moon 's interior deposited various locations surface callisto , slightly smaller ganymede , lowest density galilean satellite , suggesting large amounts water part composition callisto heavily cratered object solar system activity history erased old craters except impacts detailed studies galilean satellites performed galileo orbiter saturn planet solar system like saturn ring system like jupiter , saturn composed mostly hydrogen contrast vivid colors wild found jovian clouds , saturn 's atmosphere subtle , hue , markings high altitude haze given saturn 's somewhat looking appearance , scientists surprised high velocity equatorial jet stream blows 1 , 770 kilometers \( 1 , 100 miles \) per hour three american spacecraft visited saturn pioneer 11 sped planet moon titan september 1979 , returning first close images voyager 1 followed november 1980 , sending back photographs revealed first time complexities saturn 's ring system moons voyager 2 flew planet moons august 1981 rings composed countless low density particles orbiting individually around saturn 's equator progressive distances cloud tops analysis spacecraft radio waves passing rings showed particles vary widely size , ranging dust house sized rings bright mostly ice frosted rock rings might resulted moon passing body close saturn unlucky object would torn apart great tidal forces surface interior object may fully formed begin influence saturn 's gravity third possibility object shattered collisions larger objects orbiting planet unable either form moon drift away , individual ring particles appear held place gravitational pull saturn satellites complex gravitational interactions form thousands make major rings radio emissions quite similar static heard car radio electrical storm detected voyager spacecraft emissions typical lightning believed coming saturn 's ring system rather atmosphere , lightning observed jupiter , voyagers saw version earth 's near saturn 's poles voyagers discovered new moons found several satellites share orbit learned moons shepherd ring particles , maintaining saturn 's rings gaps rings saturn 's 18th moon discovered 1990 images taken voyager 2 1981 voyager 1 determined titan nitrogen based atmosphere methane argon one like earth 's composition carbon dioxide atmospheres mars venus titan 's surface temperature 179 degrees celsius \( 290 degrees fahrenheit \) implies might water ice islands rising oceans methane liquid sludge unfortunately , voyager 's cameras could penetrate moon 's dense clouds continuing solar radiation may converting titan 's methane , acetylene combination nitrogen hydrogen cyanide latter compound building block amino acids conditions may similar atmospheric conditions earth three four billion years ago however , titan 's atmospheric temperature believed low permit progress beyond stage organic chemistry exploration saturn continue cassini mission cassini spacecraft orbit planet also deploy probe called huygens , dropped titan 's atmosphere fall surface cassini use probe well radar peer titan 's clouds spend years examining saturnian system uranus january 1986 , four half years visiting saturn , voyager 2 completed first close survey system brief flyby revealed information uranus icy moons gleaned ground observations since planet 's discovery two centuries ago english astronomer william herschel uranus , third largest planets , oddball solar system unlike planets \( exception pluto \) , giant lies tipped side north south poles alternately facing sun 84 year swing around solar system voyager 2 's flyby , south pole faced sun uranus might knocked earth sized object collided early life solar system voyager 2 found uranus' magnetic field follow usual north south axis found planets instead , field tilted 60 degrees offset planet 's center , phenomenon earth would like one magnetic pole new york city city , island java indonesia uranus' atmosphere consists mainly hydrogen , 12 percent helium small amounts ammonia , methane water vapor planet 's blue color occurs methane atmosphere colors wind speeds range 580 kilometers \( 360 miles \) per hour , temperatures near cloud tops average 221 degrees celsius \( 366 degrees fahrenheit \) uranus' south pole shrouded kind smog believed combination acetylene , sunlight generated chemicals surrounding planet 's atmosphere extending thousands kilometers space mysterious ultraviolet known approximately 8 , 000 kilometers \( 5 , 000 miles \) uranus' cloud tops , thought ocean water dissolved ammonia 10 , 000 kilometers \( 6 , 200 miles \) deep beneath ocean earth sized core heavier materials voyager 2 discovered 10 new moons , 16 169 kilometers \( 10 105 miles \) diameter , orbiting uranus five previously known miranda , ariel , , oberon range size 520 1 , 610 kilometers \( 323 1 , 000 miles \) across representing geological showcase , five moons half ice , half rock spheres cold dark show evidence past activity , including ice flows remarkable uranus' moons miranda surface features high cliffs well canyons , crater plains winding valleys sharp variations terrain suggest , moon formed , smashed apart collision another body event unusual solar system , contains many objects impact craters fragments large impacts extraordinary miranda apparently reformed material interior exposed surface uranus thought nine dark rings voyager 2 11 contrast saturn 's rings , composed bright particles , uranus' rings primarily made dark , boulder sized chunks neptune voyager 2 completed 12 year tour solar system investigation neptune planet 's moons august 25 , 1989 , spacecraft swept within 4 , 850 kilometers \( 3 , 010 miles \) neptune flew moon triton neptune encounter became clear planet 's atmosphere active uranus' voyager 2 observed great dark spot , circular storm size earth , neptune 's atmosphere resembling jupiter 's great red spot , storm spins counterclockwise moves almost 1 , 200 kilometers \( 745 miles \) per hour voyager 2 also noted smaller dark spot fast moving cloud scooter , well high altitude clouds main hydrogen helium cloud deck highest wind speeds planet observed , 2 , 400 kilometers \( 1 , 500 miles \) per hour like giant planets , neptune gaseous hydrogen helium upper layer liquid interior planet 's core contains higher percentage rock metal gas giants neptune 's distinctive blue appearance , like uranus' blue color , due atmospheric methane neptune 's magnetic field tilted relative planet 's spin axis centered core phenomenon similar uranus' magnetic field suggests fields two giants generated area cores , pressure great liquid hydrogen assumes electrical properties metal earth 's magnetic field , hand , produced spinning metallic core slightly tilted offset relative center voyager 2 also shed light mystery neptune 's rings observations earth indicated arcs material orbit around giant planet clear neptune could arcs could kept spreading even , rings voyager 2 detected arcs , , fact , part thin , complete rings number small moons could explain arcs , bodies spotted astronomers identified moons triton 1949 voyager 2 found six one new moons actually larger , since orbits close neptune , lost planet 's glare observers earth triton circles neptune orbit six days tidal forces triton causing spiral slowly towards planet 10 100 million years \( short time astronomical terms \) , moon close gravity tear apart , forming spectacular ring accompany planet 's modest current rings triton 's landscape strange unexpected io miranda moon rock counterparts saturn uranus triton 's mantle probably composed water ice , moon 's crust thin nitrogen methane moon shows two dramatically different types terrain called terrain ice cap dark streaks appear ice cap streaks like volcanic vents shoot nitrogen gas dark , fine particles heights 2 8 kilometers \( 1 5 miles \) triton 's thin atmosphere , 1 70 , thick earth 's , winds carry dark particles deposit streaks ice cap surface yet found solar system \( 235 degrees celsius , 391 degrees fahrenheit \) triton might like pluto object spacecraft far visited pluto pluto distant planets , yet eccentricity orbit periodically carries inside neptune 's orbit , since 1979 remain march 1999 pluto 's orbit also highly inclined tilted 17 degrees orbital plane planets discovered 1930 , pluto appears little celestial planet 's diameter calculated approximately 2 , 300 kilometers \( 1 , 430 miles \) , two thirds size moon ground based observations indicate pluto 's surface covered methane ice thin atmosphere may freeze fall surface planet moves away sun observations also show pluto 's spin axis tipped 122 degrees planet one known satellite , charon , discovered 1978 charon 's surface composition different pluto 's moon appears covered water ice rather methane ice orbit gravitationally locked pluto , bodies always keep hemisphere facing pluto 's charon 's rotational period charon 's period revolution 6 4 earth days although spacecraft ever visited pluto , nasa currently exploring possibility mission comets members solar system occasionally pay visit inner planets asteroids rocky metallic formation solar system , comets icy debris dim beginning survive far sun comet nuclei reside oort cloud , loose objects halo beyond planets reaching perhaps halfway nearest star comet nuclei orbit frozen abyss gravitationally new orbits carry close sun nucleus falls inside orbits outer planets , volatile elements made gradually warm time nucleus enters region inner planets , volatile elements boiling nucleus irregular miles across , made principally water ice methane ammonia materials similar moons giant planets materials boil nucleus , form coma cloud like head measure tens thousands kilometers across coma grows comet gets closer sun stream charged particles coming sun pushes cloud , blowing back like flag wind giving rise comet 's tails gases ions blown directly back nucleus , dust particles pushed slowly nucleus continues orbit , dust particles left behind curved arc gas dust tails point away sun effect , comet tails sun tails reach 150 million kilometers \( 93 million miles \) length , total amount material contained dramatic display would fit ordinary comets latin , meaning long haired essentially dramatic light shows comets pass solar system , others orbits gravitationally modified close encounter one giant outer planets latter visitors enter closed elliptical orbits repeatedly return inner solar system halley 's comet famous example relatively short period comet , returning average every 76 years orbiting beyond neptune within venus' orbit confirmed sightings comet go back 240 b c regular visitor solar system named sir edmond halley , plotted comet 's orbit predicted return , based earlier sightings newtonian laws motion name became part astronomical lore , , comet returned schedule unfortunately , sir edmond live see comet prominent sky passes comparatively close earth unfortunately , recent appearance , halley 's comet passed closer 62 4 million kilometers \( 38 8 million miles \) world comet visible naked eye , especially viewers southern hemisphere , spectacular comets bright , rare occasions , visible daytime historically , comet sightings interpreted bad rendered sky comet rendezvous asteroid flyby \( craf \) spacecraft become first traveler fly close comet nucleus remain proximity approach sun craf observe nucleus becomes active growing sunlight begins lighter elements boil form coma tails several spacecraft flown comets high speed first nasa 's international cometary explorer 1985 armada five spacecraft \( two japanese , two soviet giotto spacecraft european space agency \) flew halley 's comet 1986 conclusion despite efforts peer across vast distances space atmosphere , scientists past one body could study closely earth since 1959 , spaceflight solar system lifted veil neighbors space learned solar system members anyone previous thousands years automated spacecraft traveled moon planets beyond world except pluto observed moons large small planets , flown comets sampled solar environment astronomy books include detailed pictures bodies largest telescopes generations lucky alive see strange beautiful places objects knowledge gained solar system redefined traditional earth sciences like geology meteorology spawned entirely new discipline called comparative studying geology planets , moons , asteroids comets , comparing differences similarities , learning origin history bodies solar system whole also gaining insight earth 's complex weather systems seeing weather shaped worlds investigating sun 's activity influence throughout solar system , better understand climatic conditions processes earth continue learn benefit automated spacecraft explore neighborhood space one current mission mapping venus others flying worlds reach sun jupiter complex trajectory adjustments future missions planned mars , saturn , comet asteroid belt also look forward time humans set foot alien world although astronauts back moon since december 1972 , plans formulated return lunar landscape human exploration mars even establishment martian outposts one day , taking holiday may mean spending week lunar base martian colony ! end
brian quake sylmar ca us subject u government science technolgy investment organization quake public access , san fernando valley , ca \( 818 \) 362 lines 46 article pgf srl03 cacs usl edu pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes mccolm darwin math usf edu \( gregory mccolm \) writes article rice edu conor owlnet rice edu \( conor frederick \) writes article eng usf edu mccolm darwin math usf edu \( gregory mccolm \) writes huh \? please state criteria selecting greatest philosopher title p ever read nietzsche \? greatest likely remembered five hundred years hence must admit makes many personal favorites great make comment except remark immanuel kant interpret cryptic remark please people appended remark , kant , thankfully n't read enough either comment , although everyone tells read would say greatest philosopher title would go plato since whole enterprise philosophy essentially defined although got answers wrong , definitively identify important questions think descartes said philosophy footnote plato choose philosopher made important advances human knowledge lifetime , 's simple aristotle much case many simply refer philosopher regarding nietzsche , 's one entertaining , although since ideas fragmented \( since life cut short \) doubtful influence philosopher likely extensive 500 years 'll probably still reading 500 years though modern philosophers , would say kant influential since strong influence almost everyone came \( unfortunately , maintained errors amplified time \) would say influential american philosopher would dewey question philosopher highly regarded 500 years , may well ayn rand \( every important respect american , born russia \) guess remains seen brian
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization decision support inc lines 28 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article 1993apr25 monu6 cc monash edu au darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes intent post \( remember \) show cannot argue religion \( ideology , matter \) actions claim followers look teachings religion \( principles ideology \) getting around argue islam , go qur'an bringing khomeini \( anyone else \) relevant discussing khomeini , necessarily relevant discussing islam religion sorry , fred , purposes discussion , must disagree point true sense one cannot argue communism reference chinese soviet , since represent true communism judging practical consequences islam force contend world today , precisely khomeini 's world , rushdie fatwa supporters , perhaps importantly , reaction world muslim community extremists , must look perhaps unfortunately perspective , people concerned whether islam right religion , whether qur'an could used hypothetical utopia , islam affects world around , lives might like islam gains influence consider possibilities , inconsiderable fear jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
pi ac jp \( 03 95 \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 organization tokyo institute tech , precision intelligence lab , japan lines 23 reply se92psh brunel ac uk 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 08 29 03 gmt wed , 21 apr 1993 08 29 03 gmt , se92psh brunel ac uk \( peter hauke \) said peter joachim lous \( joachim kih \) wrote peter anyone suggestions 42 came \? peter yep , 's theory heard bandied around rather thinking peter number think sound tea two sort anagram tea two , peter two tea , tea two un suggestion tea ! two many things possible think binary , , n , l r , f wonder eve adam ! peter \) \) \) cooperate agree , forgive disagree hassan el
nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization computer science department , stanford university lines 37 article car apple com chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) writes punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes evidence working take look standings 's real easy get focussed forget giants happen first place 's working , n't screw changing things , think ought different , reason toronto blue jays keep alfredo griffin , worked \? team winning n't mean everything 's right team winning n't mean everything 's wrong , otherwise \( borrow sharks' situation \) would say george kingston fired folks like argue theoretical details prefer watch teams win giants slip third , talk arrange batting order , think 's stupid focus 's wrong , simple fact working , 's late problem fixing something 's working , may anything left fix mostly , though , giants winning , frankly , long continues , 's rather silly second guess strategy evidently , folks would rather right first , blue jays simply perfect last year nothing could done improved team go california angels ! nelson lu \( claudius leland stanford edu \)
utoronto ca \( charles ng \) subject help gcc plp ii laser printer organization uoft mechanical engineering distribution comp lines 14 plp ii laser printer make gcc technologies problem dirty first page top portion first always smeared black toner across page print one page time , problem occur pages cleaned printer still help anyone offer solutions \? know phone gcc technologies \? thanks advance charles , utoronto ca
g waugaman nac enet dec com \( glenn r waugaman \) subject best homeruns organization digital equipment corporation lines 33 article senator bedfellow mit edu , cmk athena mit edu \( charles kozierok \) writes article 1993apr16 osf org dswartz osf org \( dan swartzendruber \) writes best home run ever seen came , believe , roger clemens \( sorry , val \) couple years ago threw ball incaviglia literally 's neck , absolutely hammered crap swing , clemens motioned new ball n't even turn around look , even get upset ball hit lights left field standard , 70 feet green monster \( 100 feet ground total ! \) truly amazing shot game , behind home plate next scout manning radar gun 1991 season winding roger n't best fastball , 88 90 \( contrast frank tanana , went low 50 one process striking phil plantier five times night \) 's shot would gone 've ever seen n't crashed lights \( \) say 100 feet high , roy hobbs like , bounced back onto field 525 , bo jackson 's drive oil boyd top back wall 1988 best 've seen personally \( sitting one \) glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation , g waugaman nac enet dec com
subject shaft drives wheelies stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 21 article morgan demon co uk , tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) wrote well maintained chains , running oil , without little rubber 'o' rings cause losses , might reach 99 efficiency average open dust 'o' ring motorcycle chain probably difficult job making 90 efficient citations speculation part \? 30 years 've laboring delusion chain drives efficient shaft drives chain drives also stronger \( ever seen successful \? \) flames , please ! 've got kinds drives john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
jwg0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( john walter \) subject 20 playboy magazines 1987 1992 organization lehigh university lines 51 roommate left playboy collection longer wants , i'm offering general public \( that's ! \) make offer entire collection accept best offer \( offer include cheapest method shipping bethlehem , pa \) 1992 february \( rachel williams , world tour , pom tanya beyer \) 1991 may \( shannon tracy pom jean \) july \( tall girls , miss bulgaria , pom wendy kaye \) september \( twins pom \) november \( la jackson pom marie christensen \) december \( parkinson price right pom wendy hamilton \) 1990 july \( sharon stone , marilyn look alike , pom jacqueline \) october \( girls big west , marisa , pom york \) november \( got made , sex cinema , pom lorraine olivia , \) 1989 january \( 35th anniversary issue collector 's edition \) february \( year sex , rio 's grand , pom eden \) march \( la jackson pom laurie wood \) august \( women wall st , diana lee license kill , pom \) november \( donna mills , sex cinema '89 , pom renee \) 1988 august \( sunshine girls pom \) october \( girls southwest conference pom shannon long \) november \( women washington , sex cinema '88 , pom pia \) december \( playmate review , sex stars '88 , anthony , pom \) 1987 november \( hahn , sex cinema '87 , pom pam stein \) also special edition playboy presents 100 beautiful women mba looking job hiring \? e mail jwg0 lehigh edu take walk wild side lehigh university \) bethlehem , pa usa \( j h n g e w r w k
yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) subject oilers sale \? \? nntp posting host cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 11 's one mill oilers might move hamilton porklington get free deal given labour relations puck like , would sigh relief way w4e elements ! ! dave shariff yadallee \( b sc \( econ math \) \( u alberta 1990 \) \) \( yadalle cs ualberta ca \) god save queen , god bless us ! remember ! jesus saves lives eternal damnation ! newfoundland , keep good old clyde , vote liberal !
gsager heliacal eng sun com \( gary \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization sun microsystems lines 39 distribution world reply gsager heliacal eng sun com nntp posting host heliacal wonder hard would \( e would add cost \) design desktop machines power saver feature built would reduce power consumption automatically machine idle amount time believe apple , sun number desktop machine manufacturers agreed government incorporate power saving techniques also something governments countries likely require future , expect see may include ability system fully power monitor , via power outlet , power back automatically \( sell screen saver software companies \? \) goals idle power consumption set something like 30 watts system , including monitor \( \? n't quote \) note many businesses , savings substantial , especially factor reduced load air conditioning systems sun study indicated simply powering monitors night would save company \( sun \) order 1m per year putting \( automatic \) power saving features would probably greater double value given seeing reason leave work home computers \( getting faxes , automatically getting email , \) , building power consumption control machines potential cut 2 national power consumption , based data heard btw encouraging employees power monitors leaving work , pointed done monitors power switch front indication monitors power switches rear designed tolerate lots power cycling may apply monitors use , might worth checking happen monitor switch back
maureen scicom alphacdc com \( maureen \) subject ethical \? lines 82 following published may 15th rocky mountain news guess real ethical problems practices church understand baptism overriding factor also understand honest way proceed unfortunately , becoming typical congregations second coming perceived approach real element 'make happen style theology wonder trust lord fits equation \? draw parents' ire children church carnival springs told 'd killed bee stings n't submit religious rite dick foster rocky mountain news southern bureau colorado springs outraged parents say children church carnival without permission baptist minister children , young 8 years old parents , thought going carnival cornerstone baptist church , would big water fight , free balloons , guns candy may 1 carnival , however , children room religious instruction told baptized many cases , although families baptist faith church angered many parents , including , methodist mother twin 8 year old girls baptized without knowledge consent 'my going carnival feel 's false pretense , ' said daughters said minister told would killed bee stings baptized cornerstone church officials defended actions 'we take instructions word god god commanded us baptize converts one show one passage bible says parental permission required child baptized , ' said dan irwin , associate pastor cornerstone baptist church church officials tell parents children would baptized 'they n't ask , ' irwin said many parents also felt simply sending children carnival invitation children 's friends members cornerstone church police said officials broken laws baptizing children , indicated parents could pursue civil action n't behaviors condemn cults \? think issues complex newspaper account mentions first , i'm entirely sure parental consent absolutely required would extremely difficult , clear commandment obey parents older child insisted baptized without parents' consent , might willing however would serious step , would warrant much careful discussion problem find much parental consent nobody 's consent whether believe infant baptism , baptism supposed sign entry christian community n't commitment somebody , whether parent child , intent become part church , baptism appears lie furthermore , likely raise serious practical problems child baptist tradition \? normally reaches age decision , would expected make decision baptized already , church claiming baptist church get \? neither answer really good , 's robbed experience significant faith clh
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject kubota kenai denali specs organization center instructional research computing activities lines 21 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu article 1993apr28 dsd es com , pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) writes mean either alpha , simultaneously \? n't know answer one , although 8 bits would assume one stereo support yes yes machines double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output rs 170a , ntsc , pal question , mean either double buffering stereo , simultaneously \? according literature , buffering double buffered stereo output brian
ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 7 cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source leslie jones ljones utkvx utk edu , turns monitor 's using
jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 25 nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article utoronto ca utoronto ca \( senad \) writes croats divided , least 70 , 000 left serbian province muslims divided , 200 , 000 left region belongs serbia croats divided , croatia yugoslavia croats croatia , b h , serbia one country yugoslavia divided muslims divided , b h yugoslavia muslims croatia , b h , serbia one country yugoslavia divided croats muslims yugoslavia decided divide give right divide serbs yugoslavia croatia b h shoulder burden dividing nations among various unstable countries nick
deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel e bradley \) subject fractal terrain generator \? keywords fractal terrain mac organization university illinois urbana lines 10 anyone know fractal terrain generator mac , something could hopefully import 3d program like swivel stratavision \? know infini built capabilities , n't access infini downloaded two programs umich , graphics fractals , 1990 91 crashed system 7 think black white anyway please , email know anything , n't check newsgroups often thanks advance dan bradley deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu
jaeger ka sub org ! stephan \( stephan jaeger \) subject study audio control engineer u organization stephan 's lines 32 hi , folks ! n't know whether right newsgroup , question completely wrong group , could mail right name correct newsgroup \? friend mine studying electronics technical university karlsruhe germany since one year wants know whether possibilities study audio control engineering u anybody know get information studies u \? could send information like \( e mail \) adresses universities , quality studies , \? possible e mail universities directly get information \? universities send information via e mail \? please could answer via e mail , n't read newsgroup regularly thanks advance stephan jaeger space rent contact stephan jaeger , 40 , 7500 karlsruhe 21 49 721 stephan jaeger ka sub org
rose hp com \( steve \) subject xs 850 never needs valve adjustments \? organization hewlett packard roseville site lines 12 nntp posting host rose hp com x newsreader tin version 1 1 3 pl6 bought yamaha 8k miles last 2 years , 've put 30k commute miles valve adjustment intervals suppossed every 5k well every 7 5k , 've checked pad , never change ! anything , clearances seem getting little smaller makes sense pad system pads wear clearances great right \? know threaded adjusters tighten , n't think kind could bottom lines n't touched valves 30k bike still nice quiet anything , clearances tighter 's deal \? yam triple owners notice extremely long valve adjustment intervals \?
cory berkeley edu \( gordon \) subject new duo dock info nntp posting host cory berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley lines 16 article c558172 mizzou1 missouri edu , c558172 mizzou1 missouri edu writes little known fact macs cpu connected via cellular network cray supercomputer apple 's garage \( 's right one steve steve built apple \) shannon silly n't know division apple allowed use cray legal department \? gordon
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject saudi clergy western supporters vs human rights keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues , politics nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 92 bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) writes article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes would defended saudi arabia rolled back iraqi invasion , charge saudi arabia \? \? \? muslims knew whole thing set destroy iraq , liberate kuwait , people killed invasion \( many many \) , ones killed iraqis smaller invasion lived west , seen media prepared \( helpless naive americans \) war iraq even artificial conflict iraq kuwait led invasion , cia correctly predicted \( pretended surprised know \) happened saddam arrogant stupid would done muslims would choose 300 dead kuwaitis 200 , 000 dead iraqis 1000 dead kuwaitis first case would happen western intervention happened , second case direct indirect result western human rights kuwait \? human rights iraq \? west gave saddam green light slaughter people \? give reason rich kuwaitis mind , deserve democracy , iraqis might , n't simple , whether want admit think good idea governments official religion \( de facto de \) , human nature like , ambitious always ones rise power many people world \( country \) citizens really know leader really devout slick operator necessarily best solution , view islamic state \( media made hate \) includes benefits secular state minus injustices ever read book rashid al \( tunisia \) , hassan \( sudan \) \? know self , self controlled media make kind campaign moderate thinker , keep quite extremist muslim scholar bin saudi arabia , encourage moderation arab world make sound like guys angels , ilyess \( clarinet posting edited stuff following \? \? \? \) , irrelevent stuff took go around copyright \( \) \) ceased take times seriously issues concerning islam become one biggest enemies \( although less daily since took \) lies , selects facts fits agenda even prints racist open anti muslim editorials claimed articles bunch lies selected facts true persons , members actually defence lawyers university science professors wanted fight corruption , uncover atrocities opposition activists minority , generally increase awareness rights citizens thing common people concern deterioration human rights since saudi took green light america \( gulf \) whatever necessary stay power know saudi ulema taught things \? ones official conservative ones opposing members human rights pro women wanted defend , precisely one reason bin 's fatwah implied illegality committee claim represents outside interests human rights issue saudi arabia , ny times chose ignore main issue select members committee actually defend actions done \( including banning jobs surprised really , first time official ulema extremist anti women meat heads saudi arabia , west continues campaign discredit muslim community , supporting well bosnia , guess zero credibility begin , heck lam \( feel shame , whatever want , hadith \) \( actually better translation meaning would feel ashamed \( god \) , whatever want \)
fowler gatech edu \( c b fowler \) subject deal blue book value auto \? organization georgia tech research institute lines 37 article 1993apr22 news eng convex com newton convex com \( vicki newton \) writes process buying new auto n't decided yet whether sell current car trade part new auto purchase know blue book value car 2825 offered give blue book value car wondering standard measure negotiating resale price hope get money someone else exactly blue book value based \? know year \( 88 \) car low mileage \( 50 , 000 \) excellent working condition dings exterior \( nothing major \) facts alter fair selling p rice car \? looking rip anyone , naturally want get best price car thanks million , veek dealer make money three ways , let 1 \) new car cost \( remember hold back \) , 2 \) arranging financing dealership , 3 \) screwing trade keep deal dealer simple eliminating 2 3 buying car dealer 's cost meaningless makes 1000 trade gets bank blue book \( need know 're talking average wholesale average retail \) good guide value car selling , try get average retail , chances 'll done ok careful selling acquaintances ever want become friends c b fowler gtri chris fowler gtri gatech edu
gfeygin unicorn eecg toronto edu \( feygin \) subject news missed organization electrical computer engineering , university toronto lines 31 article genesis mcs com , arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) writes article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article 1993may7 175730 12246 ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes , , british , iranians uae refer occupied territory , mean territory dispute israel affairs \? suppose reason jews call occupied territory , judea 's called propaganda actually judea samaria proper geographical names , like asia minor lake michigan judea samaria even used atlas published \( used \) ussr circa 1970 home government ussr course quite hostile towards israel would hardly engage pro israel propaganda would willing mail photocopy relevant page mr schmidling relevant words underlined simplify search , promises report net afterwards repeat lies often enough , people start believe mr schmidling living exception general rule although almost without peer number lies posted number times repeats n't found many people believe lies \( yet \? \) js g feygin
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject fj1100 1200 owners tankbag suggestions wanted organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 14 article 1993apr21 rd hydro ca jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes nelson bag 5 , side ones used , depending load using three super convenient , extra two great carrying beer concentrate , bricks reports written overpaid consultants quit keeping us sells remarkable bag \? later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
harelb math cornell edu subject f cus health millions america nf id n poly math cor 000 nf math cornell edu ! harelb apr 21 14 18 00 1993 lines 80 harelb math cornell edu \( misc activism progressive co moderator \) subject f cus health millions americans un covered f cus health millions americans un covered percentage population covered public health insurance , 1990 \( 25 \) country percent country percent australia 100 sweden 100 canada 100 united kingdom 100 denmark 100 austria 99 finland 100 france 99 ireland 100 switzerland 99 italy 100 spain 99 japan 100 belgium 98 new zealand 100 germany 92 netherlands 100 united states 21 norway 100 sources organization economic cooperation development \( paris \) , health data file , 1991 u national center heath statistics , advance data , 201 , june 18 , 1991 're number one percentage population without health insurance main reason 're number one percentage population without health insurance 're last percentage population covered public health insurance one fifth americans qualify main types public health insurance available united states medicare , , benefits \( 2l \) n't qualify , many private insurance \( 22 \) almost one seven americans \( 34 million people living families working adult \) insurance , one four \( 63 million \) without insurance substantial period time last two years many inadequate coverage , meaning could major illness \( 23 \) fact , one health care expert says 1 percent population private care insurance , virtually american could impoverished prolonged disabling illness \( 24 \) additionally , many 40 percent eligible forms public aid receive gaps health care result directly fact united states major industrialized nation \( south africa \) without national health insurance plan providing universal coverage controlling costs 're number one , america stands falls new world order andrew l shapiro new york , may 1992 , vintage books , division random house 10 paperback isbn 0 679 2 transcribed well sf ca us \( joe \) becoming land private greed public squalor book indispensable road map wreckage facts reveals may depress ideally 'll fire help rebuild nation '' robert b reich , author work nations
extro ucc su oz au \( geoffrey warren hicks \) subject colour transform red green colour blindness nntp posting host extro ucc su oz au organization sydney university computing service , sydney , nsw , australia lines 29 posted behalf craig access net account anyone provide colour space transform would emulate effects red green colour blindness \? quick look computer graphics literature results perhaps someone access medical information could help \? would like write program \( probably ppm filter \) allow previewing images check sufficient contract colour blind users colour blind , bit difficult ! please email replies summarise repost sufficient interest craig craig good , cheap , chief engineer , fast two picture start productions arthur c clarke email c ucc su oz au phone 61 2 959 educate n't legislate
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject waco burning organization stratus computer , inc lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes koresh responsible murderer goes rampage murderer responsible ram page , n move wildly violently course , violent action assaulted , phill \? remember exactly side came looking trouble \? police may bear responsiblity failing stop primary responsibility murderer turns fire caused tank knocking coleman lantern , 'll support punishing responsible people , phill \? find find different reason hang koresh \? cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
e technik uni erlangen de \( martin \) subject problem german keyboard sparc10 organization , university erlangen , germany nntp posting host e technik uni erlangen de lines 9 keywords keyboard special characters yesterday changed us keyboard sparc10 german keyboard cannot get alt graph characters \( \) exit x get characters , x anybody give hints , check correct installation keyboard martin
albnyvms bitnet \( chip dunham \) subject use haldol elderly reply albnyvms bitnet organization university albany , suny lines 24 article netcom com , westes netcom com \( estes \) writes anyone know research done use haldol elderly \? short term use drug ever produce long term side effects use drug \? grandmother recently hospitalized given large doses haldol several weeks although drug terminated , changed perky , slightly senile woman virtual vegetable talk anyone cannot even eat brush teeth without assistance seems incredible changes could take place course one one half months believe combination hospital stay drug \( \) part catalysts comments \? estes internet westes netcom com haldol , one wonder drugs works wonders 're carrot henry dunham \( chip \) emt , coordinator ems operations houston field house ems albnyvms bitnet
bob advtech uswest com \( bob brown \) subject monitors kept 24 hrs day \( long \) nntp posting host advtech uswest com organization uswest advanced technologies lines 68 article npri6 npri com , murphy npri6 npri com \( david p murphy \) wrote cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) 's something add discussion newsgroups misc activism progressive james p reynolds jpr1 lehigh edu subject 're using , turn ! date mon , 22 mar 1993 06 50 14 gmt lines 53 research shown majority time united states' 30 35 million personal computers , actively used addition , 30 40 percent left running night weekends computer equipment fastest growing private sector use electricity computers alone believed account five percent commercial electricity consumption , may account ten percent year 2000 one leave 're done , would big environmental benefit would turn 're using takes second two also , majority power computer uses consumed computer , monitor ca n't turn computer , please turn monitor u environmental protection agency formed alliance computer manufacturers promote introduction energy efficient pcs power automatically used thus reduce air pollution caused power generation new computers save enough electricity power vermont new hampshire save 1 billion u dollars annual electricity bills look special epa energy star logo buy computers available one two years according epa studies , energy saved prevent co2 emissions 20 million tons annually , equivalent five million automobiles also , 140 , 000 tons 75 , 000 tons nitrogen oxide emissions saved major pollutants responsible acid rain please part responsible 're using , turn information herein partially taken 1993 information please almanac , page 573 , u protection agency 's environmental news please redistribute message every computer bulletin board , network , memo system , etc think archive post every often let 's get word everyone need responsible way consume jim reynolds end
barmar think com \( barry margolin \) subject twm organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 21 nntp posting host think com article 1993may12 samba oit unc edu naoumov physics unc edu \( sergei naoumov \) writes run twm would like execute program leaving twm words would like run program f quit possible make menu section would contain two parts \? menu definition , put quit twm f function execute quit define function execute quit ! program f quit barry margolin system manager , thinking machines corp barmar think com uunet , harvard ! think ! barmar
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization dsi uscrpac lines 33 article 73k vcd hp com johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) writes thats one problem far overlooked two escrow agencies create secure database service input output keys pays \? refuse illegal request congressman deliver key budget cut punish \? congress forced fund forever \? easiest way user fee clipper chip manufactured makes funding separate government also neat side property chip n't catch , scheme breaks , government back drawing boards , assuming n't prohibited alternatives meantime fact , maybe part official system government allowed move past experimental stage , demonstrate economic viability mass adoption government fond demonstration projects proving feasibility use government funds social programs make similar feasibility demonstration \( economic viability cum acceptance terms \) baby well let 's put vote counts marketplace vote among pay david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject key escrow enough \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host access digex net points raised checking actually chip , opposed allegedly programmed therein , raise yet another trust issue even assume trusted agents really entering wide range s1 s2 seeds \( rather using one time reduce key search space 30 bits \) , assume picking iron filing poking circuitry carefully selected points encode data would presumably punching numbers computer , know could program chips manner completely independent s1 s2 values feeding system
king cogsci ucsd edu \( jonathan king \) subject jeff king suck \( \) \? \( second guessing pirates \) summary jeff king walking \? ! \? yikes ! distribution na organization university california , san diego lines 30 nntp posting host cogsci ucsd edu ken transarc com writes i'm still hoping 500 season bucs really wished would keep doug around actually , hoping barry bonds oh well p jeff king still sucks check \( latest mcweekly \) ba slg obp hr rbi jeff king 234 277 357 0 4 jose lind 323 484 344 0 5 first , jeff like 5 hits last two games , walked yet sorry ken , jeff king power , means slg wo n't 300 , walks way increase real , jeff king average nl third baseman 1993 jose lind , hand , still n't walk , clearly n't 320 hitter bet wo n't getting extra bases either everybody starts pulling lind shift seeing nl predictions sent buffalo released outright \? , although since lavalliere weirdness , nothing would really surprise jeff king currently top 10 league walks something jking
freenet carleton ca \( liam \) subject sound recording mac portable \? reply freenet carleton ca \( liam \) organization national capital freenet lines 21 previous article , freenet carleton ca \( david hughes \) says anyone know hardware required could find sound recording mac portable thanks buy macrecorder plugs port acts microphone north star computers able order one liam freenet carleton ca
org \( karen silverman \) subject problems laserwriter print driver organization lines 17 problems laserwriter print drivers going bad various people 's machines appletalk network network , people 7 0 , 7 01 , 7 1 versions laserwriter print driver solving problem reinstalling print driver , time consuming real pain software also seems go bad frequently also replacing \( , seems \) keep things running anyone ideas may causing printing software go bad \? known init conflicts network conflicts \? would appreciate communication similar experiences may ideas could send email directly org thanks karen
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject waco gov't fault \( libertarian party cia fbi atf \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 52 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes 1 \) raided american 's property rumors koresh 's intentions converted , yet still 2nd amendment protected , firearms \( judge approved warrant justifies nothing \) democracy rule law search warrant justifies search search procedure must also follow rule law us constitution justify murder attempting mount search illegally held weapons may , necessary , search executed illegal violent fashion govt right use lethal force certain cases attempts capture dangerous criminals armed threatening lives others one criminals threatening lives one fired first , according number accounts case used sub lethal force wrong firing gun someone lethal force , even one hit course , hit kill people children held hostage adults wanted variously murder conspiracy murder silly warrants existence , phill 4 \) took hundreds gov't agents tax funded cellular phones ten minutes dial 9 1 1 fire department called fire dept role play situation might rescued might well shoot calling fire dept meant waco deprived resource might needed elsewhere situation could used arisen thanks , phill , another example great socialist sensitivity obey government die cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
cs king ac uk \( matthew \) subject adding icons progman exe organization kingston university , kingston upon lines 22 nntp posting host ceres kingston ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 florian \( floppy link escape de \) wrote 09 05 93 , 14 48 hi ! anybody write add icons \( build \) progman exe \? i'm grateful every clue ! thanx nice day ! one way use program called 's shareware ca n't get mail , 'll post matthew kingston university primitive race , cs kingston ac uk computer science shall
evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( mark evans \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host uhura organization aston university x newsreader tin version 1 1 lines 29 alan morgan \( efi com \) wrote article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes might except gay men much promiscuous straight men shows damaged screwed gay men okay , let us say agree gay men much promiscuous straight men indicate screwed people \? btw occurs since , experience , men much interested sex women want sex much earlier relationship women , homosexuals would sex often simply becuase partner like mind e heterosexual men would promiscuous could 's observation women likely strongly wanting sex men also definite double standards men women promiscuous could also factor communication direct homosexual relationships culture mark evans evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 429 9199 \( home \) evansmp cs aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 359 6531 \( office \)
organization penn state university john johnson psuvm psu edu subject best homeruns 1993apr19 hpcvaac cv hp com lines 3 mike schmidt 's , also 9th inning game winner john
schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) subject would happen export restrictions violated \? organization chinet public access unix lines 15 article apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes ok , heard lot talk nsa 's infamous control encryption export itar 's question say develop great new encryption system , want sell software worldwide thought police come say algorithm threat national security permitted export point , kind trouble could get ignored itar sold program international customers anyway \? doug holland would arrested international arms bruce
krishna shearson com \( willy \) subject digital cameras article krishna distribution comp multimedia organization lehman brothers lines 16 i'm interested obtaining highest possible image capture ms windows application resulting image must go print high resolution name game i'm familiar \( unhappy \) composite video capture technology kind resolution get svhs signal \? rgb \( makes rgb cameras \) \? anyone experience digital cameras \? help would greatly appreciated william uucp ! uunet ! lehman com ! lehman brothers inet lehman com 388 greenwich st voice \( 212 \) 464 new york , n
da228 cleveland freenet edu \( charles g williams \) subject cache card iisi organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 36 reply da228 cleveland freenet edu \( charles g williams \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , watson ibm com \( \) says last week , mac 's place applied engineering quicksilver card \( 32k cache , one pds slot , socket fpu \) sale 99 00 \( without fpu \) regular price 199 idea still going , get phone anyone interested \( found ad macuser \) people cache cards please post speedometer numbers get cards one report , seems indicate 32k cache card gives 1 speedup ! ! access memory takes longer cache card \( get miss \) thus small cache card 32k may worth 0 n't know kind numbers 64k cards get also found interesting disable cache cards via software \( read mac iisi tech notes ftp apple com \) 99 good deal , still n't know would say good deal june 's macworld , river \( formerly computer \) advertised daystar 33 mhz powercache 68882 295 ! believe \? know prices would falling , ! thought might interested chuck chuck williams cs intern pacific northwest laboratories da228 cleveland freenet edu cg williams ccmail pnl gov
ece cmu edu \( john edward \) subject looking magneto optical drive advice originator ece cmu edu lines 22 reply ece cmu edu \( john edward \) organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon distribution cmu i'm currently trying select magneto optical drive purchase i'm primarily looking 128mb drives , although might consider ones looking macworld macuser ads , prices 128mb drives seem range 1000 \( portable , magic 128mb portable fujitsu , 128mb \) 1600 \( fwb 130 mass microsystems mo 128 \) different drives use different mechanisms , fujitsu , sony , epson , probably others problem reading nov 92 macworld apr 93 macuser reviews drives , i'm still sure get , i'm asking anyone good bad experiences 128mb drive shed light wide range prices \( spending really buying much \? \) , reliability different drives , compatibility , anything else probably know thanks john
bferrell moth occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host moth occ uc edu organization university cincinnati lines 17 article strobl gmd de strobl gmd de \( wolfgang strobl \) writes news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes none changes fact msw3 1 objectively inferior competition indeed true prefer windows nt certainly much better microsoft windows 3 1 dos please apples apples nt beta , cannot accepted competitor win3 1 's market os 2 2 1 , couple weeks \( wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de \( 49 2241 \) 14 btw , cute sig brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u cincy catch cats college engineering
ssa unity ncsu edu \( alavi \) subject 6300 unix sysv software sale \( best offer \) \( repost \) organization nc state university distribution usa lines 22 chance full unix system small cost full set unix system 6300 sale version 2 5 \( latest far know \) includes software \( 1 2meg 5 25 floppies \) manuals base os development tools \( c compilers etc \) dos merge \( \) etc \( beleive software requires 6300 work machine \) also 6300 manuals including system programmers guide anyone interested drop line offer interested \( please include message reference \) alavi ssa unity ncsu edu \( 919 \) 467 7909 \( h \) \( 919 \) 515 8063 \( w \)
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 35 article 1993apr22 nntpd2 cxo dec com , bittrolff evans enet dec com \( \) writes article 1993apr20 643 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes btw , david koresh jesus christ claimed tell sure \? three days n't passed yet well , \? another false messiah shot flames matthew 24 4 watch one many come name , claiming , 'i , deceive many matthew 24 23 time anyone says , 'look , christ ! ' ! ' believe false christs false prophets appear perform great signs miracles deceive even elect possible see , told ahead time listen \? sadly , us peace , condolences families lost waco malcolm lee steve bittrolff previous opinion , shared reasonably intelligent person
pwhite empros com \( peter white \) subject question hell lines 70 article may 11 02 36 38 1993 athos rutgers edu , umn cs cs umn edu \( dale \) writes basis idea hell place eternal suffering \? biblical , please reference 's train thought god using earth manufacture heavenly beings , logical would certain yield , certain amount waste yield goes heaven , waste burned \( destroyed \) hell necessary punish waste , rather destroy \? luke 16 talks rich man lazarus matthew 25 talks eternal fire prepared devil angels revelations 20 21 reference fire place unbelievers thrown matthew 18 talks thrown eternal fire fire hell seems quite clear place fire burns forever revelations passages clear devil angels tormented forever matthew 25 passage n't seem abundantly clear whether punishment unbelievers everlasting sense final sense continual dale 's question , come away suggestion hell , short , might acceptable alternative living forever source life , peace joy e ceases exist whereas , punishment goes continually , one greater motivation avoid definately seems hell something want avoid regardless exact nature seem two main questions dale 's thought god 's main plan earth \? continual punishment necessary part hell opposed simply destroying completely refuse god \? believe god 's main plan genuine relationship people nature hell reasons nature seem lot difficult ascertain seem clear hell something avoid minimum , hell state one one nothing god bible , aware discussion specifics hell beyond general hot , unpleasant torment instance , discussed \( \) rich man continually stay fire still feel discomfort pain whether point pain sensing ability burned forgive , throw physical body fire , assuming person starts alive , fairly quick point , nerves destroyed pain longer sensed stated occurs judgement , unbelievers , \( already physically dead \) cast hell e longer physical body ca n't feel physical pain could sensed continually hell forever without god lazarus rich man parable told idea listener think physical terms order get point people wo n't listen god even rises dead point parable reach hard hearted listening fact resurrection gospel jesus christ seems reasonable also draw parable hell even remotely pleasant peter white disclaimer none written necessarily reflects view company phil want know christ power 3 10 resurrection fellowship sharing niv sufferings , becoming like death
amit math tau ac il \( amit \) subject digital terrain data visualization needed organization school math cs tel aviv university , tel aviv , israel lines 29 need terrain data visualization research currently taking place tel aviv university two databases currently working , would like work databases , possibly complicated ones give prettier images describe kind data need , let mention going present paper titled photo realistic imaging digital describes research results , conference , september going show video tape results , good data receive presented tape , mention working databases consisting aerial satelite photographs , terrain elevation maps \( \) database consists 2d array height values \( data format used value \) , corresponding 2d array color values \( gray level , 256 color value full 24 bit r g b values format also used \) work 512x512 1024x1024 resolution databases anybody access kind data , knows get data files , please respond news group , better email us directly amit math tau ac il \( amit \) , danny indigo bgu ac il \( daniel cohen \) course , names people help us get data cited paper , publications
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject quadra clock chip followup organization university washington lines 10 nntp posting host carson u washington edu summary results quadra modification keywords quadra , clock , oscillator recently modified quadra 700 socket clock oscillators completed nearly 40 hours error free operation 32 mhz \( 64 mhz clock oscillator \) also tried 55 mhz cmos clock works well stupid side , 've discovered use 40 mhz clock make q700 slow centris 610 however , 25 mhz clock would yielded 12 5 mhz quadra 700 \( 'd want one \? \) n't work awaiting 66 mhz clock , guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
stone andy cs yale edu \( andy stone \) subject disks copy protected organization homes majors organization lines 18 nntp posting host dolphin zoo cs yale edu reply jmiller terra colostate edu 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 22 38 05 gmt wrote commercial program called game maker \( guess \) document protect \( answer question page x , line \) , real pain also allow user register sending card , computing based name system works 've gotten lots registration cards hear program cracked though someone two people actually called support one question , wanting buy graphics libraries \( right ! \) anyway anyone wants help catch cracker cracked version , mail wo n't accuse \( unless 're cracker course \) andy stone suned cs yale edu andy stone suned cs yale edu
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject command loss timer \( galileo update 04 22 93 \) organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 23 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article 1993apr26 1189 bnr ca , jcobban bnr ca \( jim cobban \) writes read past fail safe mechanisms spacecraft , assumed command loss timer sort function however always find disturbing oxymoron op command something command changes behavior status spacecraft op command using argument , operation computer n't , since causes pc course terminology comes jet propulsion laboratory nothing jet propulsion course , complaint comes someone n't clue 's talking carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject clipper chip organization oklahoma state university lines 44 article 67 cyberia win net , johnston cyberia win net \( robert johnston \) encryption technologies currently arms feds , hence export ban second enough attack rights fire arms , perhaps reflect well \( perhaps fire arms weapons covered second amendment \) hmmm would n't consider encryption weapon would government classify encryption \? seems encryption ought covered first amendment using line reasoning , government n't able restrict data people encrypt encryption algorithms use would restricting one 's freedom speech words , encrypted data text , graphics , information another form free speech reason government n't able regulate use encryption algorithms encrypted data time government able someone reveal encryption keys encrypted data encrypted data question may something n't protected first amendment porn even case like government required get search warrant coercing someone revealing keys btw , encryption methods considered state art feds relaxed export restrictions des yet \? also , des still regarded good form encryption \? robert johnston cyberia win net scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun batf cigarette cops fbi 's bureau
uhura cc rochester edu \( mehta \) subject centris 610 flaky \? nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester \( rochester , ny \) lines 28 article c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine 's recommending centris 610 anybody says consider centris 650 iivx \( would recommend iivx lciii n't know , 's said \) , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? jay scott scott cs uiuc edu mine works great , far mehta university rochester sucks ! uhura cc rochester edu believe captain crunch , fry
asper calvin uucp \( alan e asper \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization usr lib news organization lines 11 nntp posting host calvin sbc com article bong slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu \( eric bong \) writes nice tex use california dmv recommended technique slow said dog wick pass 've often must standard strategy taught , cuz 's told illinois msf class works well , n't get satisfaction kicking shit rabid hell beast alan
u chem lsa umich edu \( kurt \) subject temperature dark sky organization department chemistry , university michigan , ann arbor lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host u chem lsa umich edu article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? note , talking temperature microwave background radiation things sky mbr i'm total blackbody temperature thermal radiator would see , disregarding \( shielding \) sun nearby large warm objects dim recollection net effective temperature substantially higher mbr , figure things like stars zodiacal light , 'd like numbers svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry 's quite asking , years ago helped ee remote sensing people run experiments microwave ice used sky background calibration source said earth 's surface sky looks like 60k blackbody dr kurt dept chemistry always tell phone \( 313 \) 747 university michigan absolute truth x 500 umich edu ann arbor , mi 48109 1055 see chem lsa umich edu
gordons mon sps mot com \( gordon sasamori \) subject viewing postscript files x windows organization nippon motorola ltd , tokyo , japan lines 16 604 ftms uucp brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) writes ow 3 0 , definition broken relative pageview requires dsc compliant postscript files , order stop page breaks n't consider broken say program puts postscript file n't dsc compliant broken well may true however , man page pageview ow 2 0 mention dsc compliance event , point try display ps files using pageview find 's practical tool v 1 v 2 v 3 v 4 v 5 v 6 v 7 gordon sasamori mcu design \( email gordons ai sps mot com , nippon motorola ltd voice 81 \( 3 \) , fax 81 \( 3 \) \)
punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 30 article 1993apr21 leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu \( matthew bohnert \) writes consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds 're definitely correct williams absolutely clark bonds must , mean must , get fastballs hit otherwise becomes little disguise would suggest perhaps batting bonds , williams , clark 3 4 5 , reason feel potential basestealing abilities wasted 's stuck behind two slow runners think chance getting 20 30 extra stolen bases bonds 3 spot would offset drop run production clark 5 spot matt williams like hitting cleanup ! ! secondly , bonds clark \( order \) lot productive runners scoring position matt streaky , free williams sanjeev
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 34 ndallen r node hub org \( nigel allen \) writes fbi director 's statement waco standoff hoped making different statement evening careful planning extensive preparation thought today 's efforts fbi bring branch davidians compound would result peaceful resolution stand least meaningful negotiation instead , faced devastation death however , question plan correct conducted extreme professionalism care applaud restraint shown agents face life threatening gunfire , thank risking lives try end peacefully greatest admiration courage professionalism involved question plan correct \? months get ready , unlimited funds , knowledge threatened mass suicide fire , fire trucks hand \? extreme professionalism care \? understand first screwed raid batf underestimated opposition , happens one fbi first team place , massive resources , ample time planning bringing specialized equipment people necessary still botched fbi director fbi sac overall charge resign , fired incompetence n't blame reno clinton gave fbi clear orders n't go unless without casualties ca n't , wait reasonable orders fbi said could pull tactical solution , could n't john nagle
kmgoh leland stanford edu \( goh \) subject sale system organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution usa lines 36 sale one complete set equipment , including base unit , portable transmitter plus 30 days free service description item convenient secure anyone 1 whose home broken 2 whose parents live alone 3 children elderly parents 4 suffers heart attack stroke 5 temporarily permanently disabled 6 superior features 1 allows talk center using transmitter help sent soon possible 2 allows personal freedom independence deal item worth us 2400 open market asking 2000 best offer interested please email kmgoh leland stanford edu call \( 415 \) 497 0663 send certificate delivery relevant documents goh meng 116 , wilbur p box 7029 , stanford ca
art compu com \( art lekoff \) subject microwave oven forsale keywords another available organization art 's house lines 20 art 1 compu com \( art lekoff \) writes first 50 00 grabs ! 's sears 700 watt unit fyi art unit sold thank replies ! another oven available still interested mother decided sell spare price , 50 00 first taker 's strictly microwave , , equally good condition size 's , approximately 4 5 cubic feet let know ! art art lekoff internet art compu com lisa turn compu erve 2024 compuserve com , pa bell 215 757
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject serbian genocide work god \? organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 91 vera shanti noyes writes really \? may right , 'd like proof far know \( however , shall innocent sin , pray earnest supplication creator may keep unharmed numbers elect st clement , bishop rome , letter corinthians , 59 2 , \( c 90 ad \) also called , church ephesus asia , worthy , blessed greatness fullness god father , predestined eternity glory lasting unchanging , united chosen true suffering father jesus christ god st , bishop antioch , letter ephesians , address , \( c 110 ad \) say therefore , substance , concept , orgin , ancient catholic church alone , gathering unity one faith results familiar covenants already chosen , predestined god knew foundation world would st clement , patriarch archbishop alexandria , , 7 17 107 3 , \( c 205 ad \) course doctrine explained fully later sts augustine , aquinas , etc , seeds ther beginning really confusing , especially since still believe christ jesus died us obstinacy seems like awfully convoluted way account couple verses think reading wrong say saved saved account sins god give sufficient grace , , desire men might saved however , saved saved saved grace god , works , lest man boast others damned obstinacy refusing heed call god damned free chosing , choice god causing predestined , instead god uses grace like spreads 's needed n't \? saved saved , nothing hmmmm certainly god distribute grace evenly , one could heart hardened \( rather , harden heart , thus causing god withdraw grace \) , correct world divided god knows saved , god knows road key god knows thus , one boast complete assurance one elect predestined one christian good doubt salvation either \( shows lack trust god \) punished die 're saying get die direct bearing live \? strange must admit possible anyway , would want something hear know , recieve 100 fold heaven \? better lay treasure heaven jesus said condemn rich , simply point rich frequently evil immoral , god must give blessing know , chosen remeber , jesus promised tribulation world , hatred others christians promise heaven earth promised heaven sin either punished later \? 's sort half punished \? grey areas doctrine \? really unless earth , purgatory , paul pointed \( 1 corinthians 3 15 \) poorer works , though still done good intentions , saved fire \( damned course go fire , whatever good god self \( dead works \) \) course , church gives , confession , sick remove sin sin , really little excuse ending purgatory last hope somewhat lazy careless said referring paul comments taken flames one polite people talked net andy byler ps balkan military adventures , old saw area produces history consumed locally alexander great , wwi ottoman empire , byzantine empire \( refer foreign adventures general \) , balkans wars 1913 , latin greek wars 1200 's , etc good place hop
krueger helium gas uug arizona edu \( theodore r krueger \) subject braves update ! ! distribution usa organization university arizona , tucson lines 18 article 1993apr20 zeus calpoly edu jplee cymbal calpoly edu \( jason lee \) writes simply cannot show umpire like ron gant disrespectful home plate umpire , dignity game course , expected umpires show players n't get wrong , understand nature game , believe little ego umpires would make game much better ted social body bags , make dead , drag drag drag saigon kick , body bags , lizard krueger gas uug arizona edu
kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) subject disks copy protected organization san francisco state university lines 93 article 1993apr23 miavx1 acs muohio edu sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu \( steve madsen \) writes , restored machine \( depends programmer n't use disk drive characteristic ! \) user upgrade machine , reinstall programs way document look , disk wear tear ! good idea upgraded motherboard last fall would quite pissed software would forced reinstall simply changed motherboards opinion understandable \) assume tape drive \? us 200 floppies around backup , know info bios volatile use checksum going require user install software add 4mb ram computer \? couple weeks ago 's bios , software told n't machine installed would never used software really bad idea ram something add time , 's like bios manufacturer processor type \( 386 486 etc \) data cannot used , esp new flash rom bios machines updates diskette hand , make less intrusive could disguised please insert original disk xx need file update \) would perfectly reasonable sort say originals would allow one install user 's conscience silly 's much easier loan disks friend let install backup copy already disk , give scheme n't going stop anyone course easier saying originals allow one install \? point \? know many bytes need change x wing disable quiz \? two ! yes , two ! \( n't ask ones \) know assembly language \? anyone needs find part code quiz , insert jmp instruction completely skip difficult , really ! little stop type thing using similar utility would help , resulting compressed exe tagged know x86 680x0 assembly quite well , thank know exactly two bytes need changed , code said n't ask ones n't say n't know means hacking easily discouraged adding anti code self check upon execution refuse load crc match value stored \( encrypted , course \) program could claimed part anti virus code , would far truth believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables far best idea presented post making plainly obvious registered going stop casual pirates , determined ones going answer joe blow question 's name wo n't stop long run anyone read wrote \? wrote ! \( meant ! \) said program certain restriction \( restrict one machine \) program registered manufacturer manufacturer supply proven legitimate user patch disable restriction proudly proclaim legal copy registered xxx screen pirates always going win fight simply time work software figure protection scheme course , point purpose copy protection discourage casual pirates \( oh , copy \? sure , \) less sophisticated pirates \( let 's look calls \) one determined enough break copy protection succeed always entire load sequence program point copy protection make attempts take long possible upon uses \( minimize intrusion \) legitimate use pirates see copy protection challenge love breaking , amount copy protection stop , rest us stopped many hardcore pirates compared rest us \? many kasey chang
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 24 article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell topic beaten death year ago concrete problem lead acid batteries often fail disuse \( charged long time \) , 's way concrete floor could cause problem michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject help god court \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 11 've heard california ask swear without mention god states actually include god oath \? \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) times nations , priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
sean aries scs uiuc edu \( sean murphy \) subject info \? \? summary info \? keywords , 3d organization university illinois urbana lines 5 anyone seen \? buy poster looks like simple dot pattern first look focus behind see 3d picture i'm looking program generates pictures 's company texas makes doubt 're giving program away help would appreciated
tp923021 fir canberra edu au \( ben elliston \) subject cpu temperature vs cpu activity \? lines 39 organization compact solutions , canberra act australia may naive question basis claim cpu get hotter computationally intensive job running \? friend claims little difference temperature idle cpu cpu running computationally intensive job 've seen , cpus never actually idle continue service interrupts , etc , etc clock always running n mhz matter 's suppose depending instruction , cpu may use circuitry transistors instructions , consider additional heat generated handful additional , tiny resistors spread heat dissipation cpu 's packaging , change temperature immediate environment \( ie surface package \) negligible cheers , ben ben j elliston bachelor engineering \( computer engineering \) university canberra \( \) ooo \( \) ooo email compsol fir canberra edu au v also cbr cpsg com au uucp ! uunet ! munnari ! sserve adfa oz au ! compsol ! root fidonet 3 620 262 origin compact solutions canberra act australia \( 3 620 262 \)
subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction pchurch swell actrix gen nz \( pat churchill \) organization actrix networks lines 17 currently hay fever attack certainly never reads usenet , let alone sci med , said quite spontaneously lot mushrooms lawn moment sure 's problem \? well , knows \? maybe 's bread bake \? reading learned , semi learned , possibly ignorant downright ludicrous stuff thread , ready believe anything \) gets worse , maybe cook floggings continue morale improves pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill , wellington new zealand
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject update saudi crackdown human rights league keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 61 clarinews clarinet com \( \) writes upi , newspapers reporting owned wonder secure feeling reporting things , maybe saudi arabia allowed human rights violations , nobody including list , designed independent states cairo , egypt \( upi \) saudi government ordered firing reported cairo \? six saudi human rights activists one week formed country 's first human rights group , condemned kingdom 's highest religious authorities , saudi media reported friday two saudi owned , london based daily newspapers reported dismissal five activists , last week formed committee protection legal rights kingdom hear allegations human rights abuses newspapers said orders issued dismiss al job department , saudi arabia 's highest religious advisory body al ministry , mohamed al , al al two universities riyadh , saudi capital licenses practice law attorneys also ordered revoked al al law offices national branches ordered closed reason saudi interior minister prince ben abdel aziz , member royal family , rejected criticism human rights violations kingdom interview broadcast friday , said organizations say protect human rights demand respect human time refuse intervene bosnia herzegovina , people killed , raped destroyed even barred carrying arms '' humanity human rights talking \? '' prince said interview broadcast saudi owned , london based middle east broadcasting center somebody teach man logic \? relationship human rights league saudia human rights bosnia , guess wanted know italy , know brasil \( syrian joke \) prince , controls saudi police prisons , said kingdom 's enforcement islamic laws gives country one claim following islamic law biggest disservice ever islam amin , executive director cairo based arab organization human rights , said group documented evidence human rights abuses saudi arabia said aohr supported human rights egypt mr amin \? guess fighting many fronts , might retire soon \) \)
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject mormon beliefs bastards organization university victoria lines 75 erh0362 tesla njit edu writes could anyone enlighten mormon church views children born wedlock \? particular i'm interested know stigma attached children opposed parents children born pure , e , without sin however , saints would view pregnancy outside marriage occasion mourning \( church members would much , problem \) situations welfare assistance provided church , bishops usually require family making effort live gospel standards provide however , occasions assistance provided children home former bishop mine said , children always worthy god i'm especially keen learn prohibition mormon faith bastards entering heaven names entered big genealogical book mormons keep salt lake city sure mean term bastards context latter day saints believe temple ordinances family unit may preserved eternity use genealogical material software produced church , may notice section temple ordinances within section spot signifying stands born covenant children born couple sealed \( married \) within temple born covenant eligible part eternal family unit children born couples \( whether civil marriage \) would sealed parents marriage eternity supposing child born woman wedlock , could sealed parents later date adopted eternal family unit \( may include one birth parents \) issue official position changed time , i'm interested learning old new beliefs e mail posting fine information pointers appreciated ca n't say principle adoption revealed time sealing ordinances , accepted 15 years church would tend discount admonitions church authorities children wedlock even though provisions within lord 's plan recover done wrong church want give anyone impression sin repent leisure idler
silver ucs indiana edu \( chang hsu liu \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 59 james p reynolds jpr1 ns1 cc lehigh edu organization lehigh university subject 're using , turn ! multiple recipients list c18 l c18 l psuvm bitnet research shown majority time united states' 30 35 million personal computers , actively used addition , 30 40 percent left running night weekends computer equipment fastest growing private sector use electricity computers alone believed account five percent commercial electricity consumption , may account ten percent year 2000 one leave 're done , would big environmental benefit would turn 're using takes second two also , majority power computer uses consumed computer , monitor ca n't turn computer , please turn monitor u environmental protection agency formed alliance computer manufacturers promote introduction energy efficient pcs power automatically used thus reduce air pollution caused power generation new computers save enough electricity power vermont new hampshire save 1 billion u dollars annual electricity bills look special epa energy star logo buy computers available one two years according epa studies , energy saved prevent co2 emissions 20 million tons annually , equivalent five million automobiles also , 140 , 000 tons 75 , 000 tons nitrogen oxide emissions saved major pollutants responsible acid rain please part responsible 're using , turn information herein partially taken 1993 information please almanac , page 573 , u protection agency 's environmental news please redistribute message every computer bulletin board , network , memo system , etc think archive post every often let 's get word everyone need responsible way consume jim reynolds university michigan
svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) subject countersteering sans hands nntp posting host corolla18 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 35 article 1993apr22 cs cornell edu karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) writes article quantum qnx com dagibbs quantum qnx com \( david gibbs \) writes yes , even steering hands something quite similar countersteering basically turn left , quick wiggle bike right first , causing lean occur left sounds suspiciously like black magic quick wiggle right mean handlebars turn toward right turning left , input steering mechanism makes happen absence old shove shove \? well , many bored bike tell , way steer sans hans push body side want lean say want turn left push body left , push something , thing push ground \( bike \) well , apple guy \( \? churchill \? \) says ground push right back , pushed left pushing ground right , ground pushed back toward left well , push wheels rear wheel n't care \( unless serious bearing problems \) \( except course spagthorpe , revolutionary countersteering contra shaft drive rear end \) , front wheel trail ground pushes front wheel toward left contact patch , trail cause wheel turn right hey , hands counter steering dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject hearing 29 april 1993 organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa lines 44 nntp posting host imagine convex com x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex article 2112 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes personal desire certainly regarded 'legitimate want strong security , especially 'legitimate law \? individual endeavors would concerned government business revealing personal secrets public must trying conceal planning conceal unlawful criminal activity something hide , hmmmm \? underlined battle must fought battle hearts minds american public people must realize government fit father confessor government right share every thought moment decide share thought someone else distance order protect government bent undermining constitution must realize government enemy much soviet union ever hard people brought loyalty government cast patriotism expect initially people selected either random , happen purposes think feds serious \( mega ' \( 's \) must make sure let events go must willing fight government every step way going damned ballistic exactly logic goes someone gives home used store drugs note trace drugs need found property bozo say stored stuff dude 's house ' \( probably get 10 year sentence dealing \) much cost effective let walk , bust another day , hit assets time rolled back nonsense civil forfeiture effective end run around constitution ever enemy used soviets clearly government smg
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject freeman organization artificial intelligence lab lines 10 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com 's message 23 apr 1993 03 25 18 0500 frank benson watch language asshole ! ! ! ! another spelling flame \? n't guy threatens people talk politics guns \? 2nd amendment yea , 1st amendment nay 'd arrive tpm \? fruit basket \? \?
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject price slashed ! ! comics 60 overstreet price guide organization univ florida psychology dept lines 423 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu updated april 27 , 1993 comics priced 40 overstreet price guide , comics near mint mint condition title price alpha flight 13 \( wolverine appears \) 7 20 50 \( double size \) 1 00 51 \( jim lee 's first work marvel \) 5 40 amazing spider man 267 \( peter david script , human torch \) 2 10 275 \( r origin spiderman , hobgoblin \) 7 20 276 \( hobgoblin appears \) 5 40 284 \( punisher , hobgoblin appear \) 5 40 293 \( kraven appears \) 4 80 294 \( kraven appears \) 4 80 306 \( todd mcfarlane \) 6 00 312 \( hobgoblin vs green goblin \) 10 80 315 \( venom appears \) 9 00 320 \( todd mcfarlane art \) 4 20 321 \( todd mcfarlane art \) 4 20 323 \( silver sable , paladin , c america \) 4 20 324 \( sabretooth appears \) 7 20 325 \( red skull , captain america \) 4 20 328 \( hulk appears , last mcfarlane \) 4 40 330 \( punisher appears \) 2 40 331 \( punisher appears \) 2 40 337 \( hobgoblin appears \) 2 10 338 1 40 342 1 40 343 1 40 344 \( intro carnage \) 4 20 346 \( venom appears \) 4 20 347 \( venom appears \) 4 20 348 1 20 349 1 20 350 \( 52 pages \) 1 80 351 1 20 352 1 20 353 1 20 354 1 20 355 \( punisher appears \) 1 20 356 \( punisher appears \) 1 20 357 \( punisher appears \) 1 20 358 \( punisher appears \) 1 20 365 \( 1st app spider man 2099 , c \) 3 60 annual 24 2 10 annual 25 \( 1st solo venom story \) 4 20 annual 26 \( new warriors , venom \) 3 00 archer armstrong 1 \( frank miller smith layton \) 9 00 9 2 50 10 2 50 avengers 272 \( alpha flight appears \) 1 00 300 \( 68 pages , new team \) 1 50 306 1 00 324 \( alpha flight appears \) 1 00 329 \( new team \) 1 00 annual 15 2 10 annual 18 1 80 annual 19 1 50 batman legends dark knight 1 \( blue cover \) 3 30 3 1 30 batman shadow bat 1 \( still \) 5 00 batman versus predator 1 \( prestige edition , predator \) 4 20 1 \( prestige edition , batman \) 4 20 batman year one \( trade paperback , 1st printing \) 8 40 bloodshot 1 \( chromium cover , bwsmith cover poster \) 7 00 3 2 50 4 2 50 5 2 50 daredevil 131 \( origin bullseye \) 16 00 138 \( ghost rider , death 's head early app \) 11 00 158 \( frank miller art begins \) 40 00 159 \( appears , frank miller art \) 20 00 169 \( elektra 2nd appearance , bullseye \) 4 50 170 \( bullseye , appear \) 3 00 182 \( punnisher appears , frank miller art \) 6 60 183 \( punnisher appears , frank miller art \) 6 60 184 \( punnisher appears , frank miller art \) 6 60 196 \( wolverine appears \) 7 20 darkhawk 2 \( spider man hobgoblin appear \) 6 00 dark horse presents 1 \( 1st app concrete , 1st printing \) 7 20 5 \( concrete appears \) 2 40 25 1 80 32 \( annual \) 2 40 37 1 20 42 \( aliens appear \) 3 00 1 \( x men appear \) 1 20 40 1 00 41 1 00 42 \( beast appears \) 1 00 deathlok 1 2 40 deathstroke terminator 1 \( 1st printing \) 4 80 2 3 00 defenders 125 \( intro new defenders \) 1 80 152 \( double size , x factor appears \) 2 00 demon 13 \( lobo appears \) 1 00 14 \( lobo appears \) 1 00 15 \( lobo appears \) 1 00 eternal warrior 1 \( miller cover \) 11 00 2 7 00 9 2 50 10 2 50 11 2 50 fantastic four 112 \( hulk vs thing \) 25 00 337 \( simonson art begins \) 1 00 338 \( simonson art \) 1 00 339 \( art \) 1 00 344 \( simonson art \) 1 00 345 \( simonson art \) 1 00 347 \( art adams cover art , wolverine \) 3 00 348 \( ghost rider wolverine appear \) 1 80 349 \( ghost rider wolverine appear \) 1 80 350 \( 52 pages \) 1 50 351 1 00 352 \( simonson art \) 1 00 353 \( simonson art \) 1 00 354 \( simonson art \) 1 00 355 1 00 356 \( fantastic four vs new warriors \) 1 00 358 \( 80 page 30th anniversary issue \) 2 00 359 1 00 360 1 00 361 1 00 362 1 00 annual 24 1 20 flash 27 1 00 28 1 00 48 1 00 50 1 00 53 \( superman flash race \) 1 00 ghost rider 1 \( may 1990 , origin , double size \) 15 00 15 \( glow dark cover , 1st print \) 5 40 16 \( spider man hobgoblin cover story \) 2 10 17 \( spider man hobgoblin cover story \) 2 10 ghost rider cable 1 \( sam keith cover \) 4 00 ghost rider captain america fear 5 00 guardians galaxy 25 \( prism foil cover \) 2 50 harbinger 10 \( 1st appearance h r corps \) 7 00 16 3 00 17 2 50 18 2 50 h r corps 1 5 00 6 2 50 7 2 50 havok meltdown 1 3 00 incredible hulk 324 \( 1st app grey hulk since 1 , 1962 \) 6 00 327 1 20 330 \( 1st mcfarlane issue \) 15 00 331 \( grey hulk series begins \) 9 60 376 \( keown art , grey vs green hulk \) 3 60 377 \( 1st new hulk , 1st prnt , keown \) 12 00 385 \( keown c \) 2 40 388 \( keown c \) 2 40 389 \( keown c \) 2 40 390 \( keown c \) 2 40 392 \( keown c \) 2 40 393 \( green foil stamped cover , keown \) 4 80 infinity gauntlet 1 \( perez painted cover thanos \) 6 00 2 \( thanos \) 3 60 3 \( thanos \) 2 40 justice league america 46 1 00 47 1 00 50 1 00 52 1 00 justice league quarterly 1 2 10 justice society america 1 \( april 1991 \) 1 00 1 \( origin , kirby art \) 25 00 2 \( kirby art \) 15 00 3 \( kirby art \) 9 00 7 \( kirby art \) 5 00 last generation 1 2 10 magnus robot fighter 21 \( new direction logo begins \) 5 00 23 3 00 24 2 50 marc spector moon knight 25 \( ghost rider appears \) 2 10 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 6 00 2 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 00 3 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 00 4 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 00 5 \( wolverine , daredevil \) 3 00 6 \( wolverine , hulk \) 2 40 7 \( wolverine , \) 2 40 10 \( wolverine , man thing \) 2 40 11 \( man thing , ant man \) 1 20 12 \( man thing , colossus \) 1 20 13 \( black panther , \) 1 20 14 \( black panther , nomad \) 1 20 17 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 20 18 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 20 19 \( rob liefeld art , cyclops \) 1 20 20 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 20 21 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 20 22 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 20 25 \( nth man , havok , panther \) 1 20 26 \( black panther , havok , hulk \) 1 20 27 \( black panther , havok \) 1 20 28 \( black panther , havok \) 1 20 29 \( black panther , havok \) 1 20 30 \( black panther , havok \) 1 20 31 \( erik larsen , excalibur \) 1 20 42 \( wolverine \) 1 80 52 \( rob liefeld , wolverine \) 1 80 60 \( wolverine , hulk \) 3 60 62 \( jackson , deathlok \) 4 80 63 \( poison , thor , scarlet witch \) 2 40 64 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 2 70 65 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 2 70 66 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 2 70 67 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 2 70 72 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 4 80 73 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 2 40 75 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 80 76 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 80 77 \( b w smith , weapon x , \) 1 80 80 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 80 81 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 50 82 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 50 83 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 50 84 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 50 85 \( 1st keith art jae lee \) 3 60 88 \( keith , wolverine , beast \) 2 40 97 \( ghost rider , cable \) 1 20 104 \( wolverine , ghost rider \) 1 00 106 \( wolverine , ghost rider \) 1 00 maxx 1 \( sam keith \) 3 00 1 \( ted \) 3 00 mighty mouse 2 1 00 4 1 00 5 1 00 6 1 00 10 1 00 moon knight 1 \( 1980 \) 2 60 6 1 50 7 1 50 52 \( frank castle \( punisher \) \) 2 70 new mutants 18 \( intro new warlock , magus \) 5 40 88 \( rob liefeld , 2nd cable \) 12 00 89 \( rob liefeld , 3rd cable \) 9 00 90 \( rob liefeld , sabretooth appears \) 7 20 91 \( rob liefeld , sabretooth appears \) 7 20 93 \( rob liefeld , wolverine vs cable \) 9 00 94 \( rob liefeld , wolverine vs cable \) 9 00 98 \( 1st app deadpool , gideon , domino \) 7 20 100 \( 1st app x force \) 5 40 annual 4 \( evolutionary war \) 1 80 annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 10 80 annual 6 1 20 annual 7 \( 2nd app x force \) 7 20 summer special 1 \( art adams art \) 1 80 1 \( mcfarlane \) 2 40 omega men 3 \( 1st appearance lobo \) 6 00 10 \( 1st full lobo story \) 6 00 annual 1 1 00 2 1 00 power man iron fist 78 \( 3rd appearance sabretooth \) 25 00 84 \( 4th appearance sabretooth \) 20 00 power pack 27 \( wolverine sabretooth appear \) 6 00 predator big game 3 \( contains trading cards \) 1 80 punisher 9 \( portacio \) 6 60 punisher captain america blood glory 1 5 00 2 5 00 3 5 00 punisher p v 1 \( starlin script , wrightson art \) 5 00 2 \( starlin script , wrightson art \) 5 00 3 \( starlin script , wrightson art \) 5 00 punisher war journal 16 \( jim lee art \) 3 00 29 \( ghost rider appears \) 1 50 30 \( ghost rider appears \) 1 50 31 1 10 32 1 10 35 1 10 36 1 10 38 1 10 39 1 10 40 1 10 punisher war zone 1 \( die cut cover \) 2 50 2 1 50 ragman 1 \( pat broderick , origin ragman \) 3 00 rocketeer special edition \( dave stevens art , 1984 \) 6 00 13 2 50 14 2 50 simpsons comics stories 1 \( polybagged special ed \) 7 50 solar man atom 18 3 00 19 2 75 20 2 75 21 2 50 22 2 50 spectacular spider man 81 \( punisher appears \) 8 40 93 \( answer appears \) 1 80 94 \( cloak dagger appear \) 1 80 95 \( cloak dagger appear \) 1 80 99 \( spot appears \) 1 80 116 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 117 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 119 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 124 \( dr octopus appears \) 1 50 130 \( hobgoblin appears \) 2 40 131 \( kraven appears \) 3 60 132 \( kraven appears \) 3 00 140 \( punisher appears \) 1 80 142 \( punisher appears \) 3 00 143 \( punisher appears \) 3 00 147 \( 1st app new hobgoblin \) 12 00 152 \( origin lobo bros , punisher \) 1 20 157 1 20 158 \( spider man gets new powers \) 7 20 159 \( cosmic spider man appears \) 4 80 160 1 00 189 \( 1st ed hologram , hobgoblin \) 4 80 annual 10 \( mcfarlane story \) 1 50 spider man 1 \( gold edition , direct sale \) 3 00 1 \( regular edition , green , \) 3 00 5 \( lizard , appear , mcfarlane \) 2 40 6 \( hobgoblin , ghost rider appear \) 3 60 7 \( hobgoblin , ghost rider appear \) 3 60 13 \( black costume returns \) 3 00 14 \( black costume , appear \) 2 00 18 \( sinister six , hulk appear \) 2 00 19 \( hulk , deathlok appear \) 2 00 20 2 00 26 \( origin , hologram cover \) 3 00 star trek next generation 1 \( feb 1988 , dc mini \) 6 00 star trek next generation 1 \( oct 1989 , dc comics \) 5 40 2 3 60 strange adventures \( dozens , varying high grades \) ask swamp thing 72 1 00 73 \( john constantine appears \) 1 00 annual 3 1 20 tales teen titans 44 \( deathstroke app \) 4 80 terminator 1 \( dark horse \) 3 60 terminator secondary objectives 1 1 80 terminator 2 judgement day 1 1 00 thor 374 \( mutant massacre , x factor , sabretooth app \) 4 80 429 \( ghost rider appears \) 1 80 430 \( ghost rider appears \) 1 80 warlock infinity watch 2 \( starlin scripts \) 2 40 3 1 50 4 1 40 5 1 40 6 1 40 7 1 10 8 1 10 9 \( vs thanos \) 1 10 web spider man 2 4 20 3 4 20 4 3 00 5 3 00 8 \( thunder appears \) 2 70 16 \( appears \) 2 00 18 2 00 20 2 00 21 2 00 30 \( origin rose , hobgoblin appears \) 7 20 47 \( hobgoblin appears \) 1 00 52 1 00 66 \( green goblin super hero \) 1 20 67 \( green goblin super hero \) 1 20 68 1 00 71 1 00 72 1 00 73 1 00 74 1 00 75 1 00 76 1 00 77 1 00 78 1 00 79 1 00 80 1 00 81 1 00 82 1 00 83 1 00 84 \( rose hobgoblin story \) 1 00 85 \( rose hobgoblin story \) 1 00 86 \( rose hobgoblin story \) 1 00 87 \( rose hobgoblin story \) 1 00 90 \( hologram cover , polybagged \) 3 60 91 1 00 annual 3 1 75 werewolf night 33 \( 2nd appearance moon knight \) 20 00 37 \( moon knight appears \) 5 00 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 14 40 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 6 00 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 00 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 2 40 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 18 00 wonder woman 267 \( return animal man \) 13 00 annual 1 1 75 2 1 75 x factor 47 1 00 51 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 52 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 53 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 00 57 1 00 62 \( x agenda , jim lee cover \) 3 60 63 \( whilce portacio art begins \) 3 60 69 \( whilce portacio art \) 1 20 70 \( last old team issue \) 1 20 annual 6 \( new warriors , x force appear \) 1 30 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 25 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 15 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 15 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 15 00 1 \( bagged , cable card \) 3 60 x 13 3 00 15 3 00 16 3 00 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help titles posted n't list every issue title , tried save space willing trade comics , computer equipment , video equipment , audio equipment , etc let know want trade ! geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) subject new encryption algorithm keywords nea organization chinet public access unix lines 14 article 1raeir be1 access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace bruce
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garrett ingres com \( grep friend \) subject temper tantrums 1960 's summary bull news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division distribution usa lines 43 article 1993apr17 midway uchicago edu , dave bsd uchicago edu writes article 1993apr17 oracle us oracle com mfriedma us oracle com \( michael friedman \) writes article 1993apr17 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes article netcom com , phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes article 1993apr15 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes dumb shit 's amazing someone limited vocabulary learned use computer n't require take english school went \? crude nature \? i'm forced agree garrett 's need , even hostility mean , 's though garrett asked born dumber bag hammers occasionally annoying , noble tragedy someone knowlege geography pre madonna history thinking political views worth reading something like trying master nuclear physics first note population prc n't gonna fit cambodia unless , 's need keep pounding idiocy plenty post find stop hogging mine first kind ranting annoyed , 's rather entertaining kinds posts n't require facts , logic , even sense 's kind like 10 year old kids go play everyone net simple minded guys seem dave griffith , information resources , university chicago , biological sciences division dave delphi bsd uchicago edu brain damage chromosome damage nothing inevitable mistake whose time garrett johnson come garrett ingres com probability someone watching proportional stupidity action unknown
thierry uucp \( thierry lach \) subject henry spencer anyway \? reply thierry uucp \( thierry lach \) organization none lines 32 cam hawk oz au \( master \) writes leland stanford edu \( aaron \) writes tracked sci space quite , questions mysterious figure called henry spencer anything going space community , seems know questions somewhat cheek 1 \) sci space hobby job \? 1 \) ever eat sleep \? 3 \) u toronto zoology department conduct space research \? use account \? curious aaron well , henry spencer also responsible parts , internet related things quite guy \) henry ! c question comes frequently enough faq thierry lach ! thierry mi org include std disclaimer sufficiently superior technology magic
netcom com \( access bus industry gp \) subject access bus \( access bus software creator 's contest \) organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 92 intro access bus \( access bus software creator 's contest announcement \) access bus \? access bus new open industry standard computer peripheral connectivity access bus serial protocol uses simple , low cost i2c technology link multiple devices single pc port peripheral devices keyboards keypads , \( mice , trackballs , joysticks \) , printers , vr gloves , , sensors , data transmitters others easily daisy chained host pc applications cad cam , data acquisition , simulation , virtual reality , multiple player single pc games , education many , many take advantage access bus , technology puts plug play every pc access bus offers advantages end users developers systems peripherals multiple devices connect host computer one port common communication methods number device types lead simplified hardware software development open standard , access bus enables cross platform use device access bus technological description access bus technology open specification , enabling anyone implement host systems peripheral devices without fee royalty access bus bus topology architecture , single host accommodate 125 peripheral devices access bus data rate 100 sec access bus physical layer access bus serial bus architecture , based i2c hardware protocol , one data line one clock line standard low cost i2c microcontrollers handle bit level handshaking , including automatic arbitration clock synchronization access bus software protocols access bus communication protocol composed three levels i2c protocol , base protocol , application protocol i2c protocol simple efficient protocol defines arbitration among contending masters without losing data i2c provides cooperative synchronization bus partners different clock rates bus transactions include addressing , framing bits bytes , byte acknowledgment receiver base protocol establishes host computer multiple peripherals host becomes access bus manager base protocol defines format access bus message envelope , i2c bus transaction additional semantics , including checksum unique features base protocol auto addressing hot plugging auto addressing assigns devices unique bus addresses , without need setting jumpers switches hot plugging ability attach detach devices system running , without rebooting application protocol highest level access bus protocol defines message semantics specific particular types devices type requires different application protocol three broad device types identified keyboards , , text devices access bus support pc three levels access bus protocol supported pc add card implements physical layer uses base protocol communicate physical access bus devices access bus manager tsr dos dll windows 3 1 controls operation physical layer interacts access bus device drivers drivers available multiple access bus keyboards , printers dos windows 3 1 also available c language source code examples interface applications device drivers contact \( access bus industry group \) postal address 370 altair way , suite 215 , sunnyvale , ca 94086 internet email netcom com fax \( 408 \) 991 voice \( 408 \) 991
\( walter \) subject large accelerations revisited organization university illinois urbana lines 12 ca n't aircraft designed pilot always maintained upright position , perpendicular plane acceleration \? visual helmets used display flight parameters keyboard equipment moving pilot , pilot may able function accelerations excess anyone currently pursuing area reason impossible present time \? walter walter capone uiuc edu u illinois urbana champaign
rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu \( bighelmet \) subject moe berg organization university illinois urbana lines 31 barring cs washington edu \( david barrington \) writes npr morning interview linda mccarthy \( name possibly garbled \) , official historian cia research moe berg tv documentary \( know nothing sounds good \) said among things , berg principal spy oss \( cia 's wwii precursor \) spying axis atomic programs , physics background language skills said war met heisenberg switzerland , instructions shoot heisenberg germans close us bomb research \( concluded two years behind , n't shoot \) \( heard elsewhere heisenberg deliberately misled nazi bomb program , n't know reliable \) unfortunately , npr n't mention kind book 's writing 'd certainly buy dave mb great book called also served ballplayers wwii info berg also info pete gray \( one armed outfielder \) players era draft many players war exempt draft medical reasons interesting stories book well written would suggest reading anyone interest baseball rob live day day rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream tomorrow
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject defensive runs da \( comments \) keywords dr organization university virginia lines 78 article gap caltech edu shippert cco caltech edu \( tim shippert \) writes reason bothered dr stuff see could determine answer age old question jeff blauser valuable rafael well , looks like , doug tim , beating net defensive analyses , tim gotten ahead way little different , course , used equivalent averages work many runs player worth , calculated rate performance \( fielding equivalent average \) total performance \( fielding equivalent runs \) compared , average player , replacement player , 's positional adjustment comes built system al 1992 , average ss 32 9 runs replacement \( rar \) cf , 31 6 2b , 28 8 3b , 26 3 lf , 26 0 rf , 24 6 1b , 16 9 may quibble exact numbers , order looks substantially right equivalent average , always set league average 235 decided hitting replacement level batter eqa 180 name replacement level hitter , often , billy ripken decided let replacement level fielder distance 235 180 , opposite direction set makes eqa 280 \( yes , add runs proportional eqa squared difference 180 squared 235 squared equals difference 279 squared , rounded simplicity \) replacement fielding team would randy milligan first \( 282 \) , willie randolph \( 269 \) second , leo gomez \( 279 \) third , walt weiss \( 269 \) short , kevin bass \( 271 \) left , hojo \( 257 \) center , eric anthony \( 277 \) right ugh , total number rar player sum batting fielding rar rate total rar , rar per number batting outs , like 400 average player total rar 55 , 30 batting , 25 fielding total rar \( bat field \) 1 bonds 152 \( 124 28 \) ventura 124 \( 66 58 \) 2 sandberg 143 \( 88 55 \) thomas 122 \( 110 12 \) 3 van slyke 122 \( 91 31 \) anderson 109 \( 75 34 \) 4 grace 114 \( 70 44 \) raines 100 \( 68 32 \) 5 lankford 111 \( 76 35 \) puckett 98 \( 76 22 \) 6 pendleton 108 \( 71 37 \) alomar 98 \( 75 23 \) 7 finley 104 \( 70 34 \) martinez e 97 \( 81 16 \) 8 bagwell 101 \( 73 28 \) mack 93 \( 70 23 \) 9 butler 96 \( 74 22 \) mcgwire 93 \( 79 14 \) 10 sheffield 96 \( 85 11 \) griffey 92 \( 70 22 \) 11 larkin 96 \( 65 31 \) 89 \( 56 34 \) 12 grissom 95 \( 57 38 \) henderson 88 \( 66 23 \) 13 walker 94 \( 61 33 \) listach 87 \( 50 37 \) 14 justice 92 \( 52 40 \) lofton 85 \( 46 39 \) 15 w clark 91 \( 73 18 \) baerga 83 \( 55 28 \) 16 kruk 82 \( 78 4 \) white 79 \( 39 40 \) 17 smith 80 \( 46 34 \) 76 \( 54 22 \) 18 gwynn 80 \( 47 33 \) sierra 76 \( 52 24 \) 19 hollins 80 \( 68 12 \) carter 73 \( 57 17 \) 20 j bell 79 \( 42 37 \) gonzalez 73 \( 60 13 \) notable entries per 400 batting rating , nl top 7 bonds , 177 , lf sandberg , 130 , 2b van slyke , 114 , cf grace , 107 , 1b larkin , 102 , ss justice , 99 , rf sheffield , 99 , 3b one position measured ! mcgriff , despite 85 batting rar , fifth league , finishes top 20 due 13 fielding last position galarraga 39 , stillwell 10 , hansen 30 , 30 \( blauser 69 , 3rd league \) , may 43 , 34 , anthony 38 al , much rickey henderson worth 120 , second frank 124 ventura edges edgar third , 116 111 grebeck rates potent 102 ! griffey edges puckett top cf , 93 90 listach lofton among rookies , 82 80 alomar clearly baerga , 97 73 last position 10 , 29 , palmer 22 , lewis 31 , polonia 40 , cuyler 26 , v hayes 39 clay
bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) subject xdm env vars organization home lines 33 article haji haji sun fwr8bv fin af mil writes hi , using xdm x11r5 ow3 xview3 sun3s sparcs running sunos 4 1 1 prior using xdm , used set path environment variables \( like manpath , helppath , arch , etc \) login file xdm , login file n't get executed therefore neither olwm root window applications know variables always use following cshrc f \( \? login 0 \) source home login endif login setenv login 1 n't need set environment variables cshrc , get set login via xdm xon xrsh rx hope helps , bernward bernward averwald , 42 , 4600 dortmund 1 , voice 49 231 fax 49 231 , e mail bernward moepi open de \( b rcc de \) think need lear jet
cheung kosmos wcc govt nz subject wanted transformers \( toys \) organization wellington city council \( public access \) , , nz lines 15 reply cheung kosmos wcc govt nz nntp posting host kosmos wcc govt nz hey , collection interested buying good condition particularly interested older , exotic models \( eg five transformers one etc looking paying around 20 40 depending upon model , size original cost etc also pay airmail postage packing also happy buy old sci fi related toys eg robots , , etc one catch live new zealand willing post items hop someone help cheers darren
rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) subject key registering bodies nntp posting host ely cl cam ac uk organization u cambridge computer lab , uk lines 25 article rubin dsg4 dse beckman com , rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) writes 7hl netcom com nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes since law requires wiretaps requested executive branch approved judicial branch , seems clear one key registering bodies control judicial branch suggest supreme court , , regionally , courts appeal specifically , offices clerks makes sense half must non government escrow good idea , put eggs one basket \? given escrow keys generated 200 time floppy disks , keep rather creating one huge database guarded better fort knox give floppy different bank usa 10 , 000 banks likely 2 , 000 , 000 clipper phones sold ross
deitch gisatl fidonet org \( david deitch \) subject baseball spanish organization galaxy information system \( gis \) atlanta , ga lines 31 tue , 20 03 38 , antonio pera icop csa bu edu wrote 1 133 411 , ap recently , heard red sox ap spanish speaking radio station thought ap unreal red sox spanish \? anyway , want find ap widespread \? ny native , know ap spanish ap think la , sd , texas fla spanish ap spanish speaking networks ap local last couple years , braves program reach latin american audience included licensing spanish fan magazines , encouraging spanish co broadcasts , marketing programs directed latin american community one biggest heros latin american audience francisco \( fact slightly embarrassed ! \) one funny story spring training , braves played game mexico game broadcast back atlanta spanish took broadcasters innings get going keep changing location seems took find place could get clear signal cellular phones calling game ! david deitch , \( gis \) atlanta fidonet uucp uucp ! gisatl ! deitch gateway faq oo internet deitch gisatl fidonet org \( \) david deitch , ` galaxy information system administrator \( gis \) atlanta \( 404 \) 252 \( \) \) \) u user david deitch fido via fidonet node 1 133 411 0 \( \) \( \( \( \( jm \)
mellon ncd com \( ted lemon \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization network computing devices , inc lines 28 distribution na nntp posting host pepper ncd com reply lemay netcom com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 16 48 10 gmt one reasons originally liked current much bmw \) sigh 's music ears , complaining lois seat bmw best passengers echo movements lean rider look shoulder thats comfortable , turns look shoulder inside turn 've found phrase sack potatoes works pretty well describing passenger act switch hands stretch shoulders , sure squeeze thighs 're rider knows 're still \) guard rail n't safe holding onto rider long ride ex girlfriend nancy , would notice drifting every often \( highway 101 la \) probably would n't aware n't habit butt knees hold good advice mellon mellon ncd com uunet ! ! mellon member league programming freedom find software patents may cost right program , contact lpf uunet uu net
kde boi hp com \( keith emmen \) subject waco inside story \( ap \) \( atf burns \) organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin 1 1scd1 pl4 lines 9 dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes dear , dear could come , probably could n't ever tear gassed , would n't quick condem
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject waco burning lines 32 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article nwfocus wa com , turmoil halcyon com \( tim crowley \) writes goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes article v2110a vm temple edu v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes yes 've heard survivors saying 've also seen videotape shows fire started two three different places n't near tank seen tape cnn network see \? saw film cnn happend clear tape fire started one location right tank attacking , pulled back , true cnn pictures show two sites clearly third barely distinguished tape note two towers either end building , big one little one appears merely long shot big tower tank front fact little tower tell beacuse flag foreground switches sides right picture left third site visible flames clearly come point obscured small tower need tape good slow motion video see phill hallam baker
grads otago ac nz subject pb 160 extended keyboard \? article otago 1993apr23 1 organization university otago , dunedin , new zealand lines 18 nntp posting host otago ac nz article 1993apr22 1 otago ac nz , grads otago ac nz writes hello , saw question posted week ago , far could tell answer appeared net good oil connecting apple extended keyboard powerbook \? earlier would help gratefully recieved summarise net necessary general consensus seems extended keyboard \( new ergonomic keyboard \) mouse ok pb160 rated apparently identical lc lc works fine said attachments thanks much replied way order mouse \) john wonder electric p thinking pb160 assume would apply pb 's
subject gif targa david mason channel1 com \( david mason \) distribution world organization channel 1 communications lines 6 krzysztof asking gif tga conversion could use dta 1 5 convert tga files fli animation files krzysztof , update copy dta recent release \( current 1 8g \) later versions dta read gif files
subject gui builders vms mark trident datasys swri edu \( mark collier \) organization southwest research institute lines 15 looking gui builders uims 's run vms openvms environment interested motif tools gui independent tools xvt client also requires tool production least 6 months vms environment note list tools faq , info vms availability thanks mark collier southwest research institute senior research analyst automation data systems division voice \( 512 \) 522 data systems department fax \( 512 \) 522 software engineering section
slang bnr ca \( steven langlois \) subject number applied engineering reply slang bnr ca \( steven langlois \) organization bell northern research ltd lines 5 anyone phone number applied engineering give call \? steven langlois slang bnr ca
kahn troi cc rochester edu \( james kahn \) subject jewish broadcasters \( jewish baseball players \? \) nntp posting host troi cc rochester edu organization university rochester \( rochester , ny \) lines 4 let 's forget al michaels , believe miracles \? fame jim
cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders nntp posting host fsh mtu edu organization michigan tech x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 66 joe , n't put username account \? mon , 26 apr 1993 17 48 19 gmt , joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu wrote atf discovers n't proper permits purchases failed pay taxes claims discovered would hardly first time raided someone based incorrect evidence 'no knock \? ' really n't heard anything clearly knock , according associated press report 's something found collection excerpts article knoxville news sentinel final edition monday , march 1 , 1993 \( associated press \) waco , texas fierce gun battles erupted sunday 100 law officers tried arrest leader heavily armed religious cult least four federal agents two cult members reported killed gun battles began federal agents hidden livestock trailers stormed sect 's head quarters sunday morning , witnesses said agents warrants search guns explosives arrest howell , said les stanford atf washington witnesses said law officers stormed compound 's main home , throwing concussion grenades screaming come , three national guard helicopters approached moment , response shooting began think storming sect 's head throwing concussion grenades qualifies knock \( perhaps illegal assault \) another guy minding business hell , give guns world n't bother anyone scary sort , n't think \? sort person 'd want daughter date \? probably , neither fired atf 's little mistake , red white blue american defending home big brother shit n't fly anyone background shoot kill background \? prior crimes convicted \? federal law enforcement officials good citizen whose crusade sorry , batf federal tax enforcement officials 're police , police powers charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physics , michigan tech , houghton , mi 49931 people cannot , always , well informed part wrong , proportion importance facts remain quiet misconceptions , lethargy , forerunner death public liberty thomas jefferson , nov 13 ,
josh n andrew cmu edu subject cryptography organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 46 distribution world nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply eternity demon co uk think mind set mistake cattle , governments tortured prisoners clubs rubber lasers eavesdropping , governments used binoculars lip readers though government certainly uses technology oppress , evil lies tools wielder tools evil good walk hand hand also important note good tools lies wielder tools fact , technology represents one promis ing avenues available capturing freedoms stolen cannot accept ridiculous leap logic technology neutral good evil technology used evil men , called evil technology used good men , called good technology really , technology allows action realized larger scale nature , favors bright \( put use \) dull \( \) try confused development technology use certainly , bright people better creating technology , even young children know program vcr machines vcr machines extremely complex create \? favors \( quick see merit new \( sluggish \( cling time tested ways \) flexibility always better enduring stiff stubborn young child soft old man stiff dripping water cut stone nothing technology , rather technology allows us action two better words de scribe government bureaucracy dull sluggish \? objection ! \) cmu edu \) silent \( thunder
jennifer netcom com \( jennifer ! \) subject tv coverage nhl blame ! organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 14 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( steven jay \) writes tv coverage playoffs fucking overtime time games shown \? hell kind shit \? would happened flyers \( damn playoffs begin \) watching , would gone throught roof ! read tv guide , 's article next week 's concerning nhl major network broadcasting pretty interesting jennifer
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject organized lobbying cryptography distribution na organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 21 nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article rdippold qualcom rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) writes george tessi com \( george mitchell \) writes guns offensive cryptography defensive see difference \? 're neutral whether 're offensive defensive depends use nonsense mike , heinlein 's moon harsh decides weapon mechanism allows deliver energy distance \( n't book handy 'd find exact quote \) guns cryptosystems disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject arab leaders bosnia reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 79 article minerva cis yale edu pavlovic milan yale edu \( milan pavlovic \) writes really disagree beacon genocide apology self admitted exposed compulsive liar mouthpiece criminal nazi armenians asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle love eloquent one liners sticking original question imagine would like human impossible say \? could head n't screwed right , old one said \) crux argument \? difficult understand \? lack intelligence \? need go \? actually , would like get compilation one liners , could print show friends summer , see kind clowns exist chicago well , change fact period 1914 1920 , armenian government ordered , incited , assisted participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people race , religion national origin \? 1 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population van 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 2 \) armenians slaughter 42 muslim population bitlis 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 3 \) armenians slaughter 31 muslim population erzurum 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 4 \) armenians slaughter 26 muslim population diyarbakir 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 5 \) armenians slaughter 16 muslim population 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 6 \) armenians slaughter 15 muslim population sivas 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 7 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population x soviet armenia 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 8 \) 1 mccarthy , j , muslims minorities , population ottoman anatolia end empire , new york university press , new york , 1983 , pp 133 144 2 karpat , k , ottoman population , university wisconsin press , 1985 3 hovannisian , r g , armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , pp 13 , 37 4 shaw , j , 'on armenian collaboration invading russian armies 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university press 1977 \) pp 315 316 5 gochnak \( armenian newspaper published united states \) , may 24 , 1915 source jorge blanco villalta , , ' , 1979 , pg 234 armenians refrain giving racial hatred committing acts cruelty massacres moslem population , encouraged party , mortal enemies turkey serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject wanted police officers answer posting reply jrlaf sgi502 msd lmsc lockheed com 's message wed , 21 apr 93 16 31 18 gmt lines 14 organization ibm toronto lab article 1993apr21 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com jrlaf sgi502 msd lmsc lockheed com \( j r laferriere \) writes stuff deleted questions ask typical cop regards pulling someone minor moving violation \( rolling stop , lane change , mph speed limit , etc \) minor \? put lane change minor category \? know guys jeff goss
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject meaning atheism , agnosticism \( krillean photography \) organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 23 nntp posting host saltillo cs utexas edu sci med removed followups \( read newsgroups \) article 1993apr30 rosemount com grante aquarius rosemount com \( grant edwards \) writes self proclaimed atheist position believe god n't claim proof interpret agnostic position beliefs god 's existence 's fine words multiple meanings self proclaimed atheist , believe conceptions god inconsistent conflict fact , lack belief conceptions god merely reason believe usually use word agnostic mean someone believes existence god unknown inherently unknowable note positive belief quite different believing god believe god , also believe agnostic claim russell
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject relative value players nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 43 kime mongoose torolab ibm com \( edward kim \) writes doubtful blue jays would al east without morris last year , team went 13 15 month august , starters shelled , milwaukee making charge , morris went 5 1 pretty good era \( ca n't remember exactly \) also , let 's underestimate importance 240 innings save bullpen every fifth day n't help us win al east , forget pennent world series run support high \( 5 98 runs \) 's \( 5 90 runs \) 12 games remember morris winning inordinate number 6 5 8 6 ballgames , credit pitched good needed 6 1 ballgame , put cruise control threw ball let batters get themseleves \( hate expression ! \) inexperienced pitcher would wear trying make perfect pitches keep era morris , veteran pitcher , knows winning thing really matters baseball saving , able reach back little extra \( hate ! \) game line n't buy think things colored large degree notions players involved try exercise xxx pitching today team scores 4 first inning , 3 fourth xxx gives 0 1st 4th fifth , gives 3 runs 6th , gives 2 score 7 5 , xxx 's team still top contend xxx jack morris , assessment would veteran pitches well win xxx mike , assessment would inexperienced rookie n't know pitch needs seasoning send aaa spice rack john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rnichols cbnewsg cb att com \( robert k nichols \) subject com4 card shows com3 com4 's address irq ! keywords com port gurus , help ! organization distribution usa lines 31 article cie genesis nred us avinash genesis nred us writes internal modem configure com4 irq 3 , insert card dos 5 02 pc , shows com3 , irq3 com4 's address \( 2e8 \) ! get debug , dump data 40 0 , shows address 2e8 belonging com3 even though modem com4 common misconception , shared many manufacturers , programmers , users alike com3 , example , simply third equipped comm port , necessarily one address bios searches sequentially set potential comm port addresses first equipped port finds become com1 , etc 're playing rules , ca n't com4 unless com3 equipped set standard \( whatever means \) port addresses merely reflects order bios searches address space search serial ports , indeed com3 non standard address 2e8 address 4th table slot instead , programs query bios determine number installed comm ports would find , field bios data area contains number would indicate 3 comm ports installed \( frankly , n't know program would actually problem \) bob nichols bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com
mv com \( \) subject thanks lines 10 sorry personal replies sent help got eaten mail program \( fault \) , 'd like thank everyone sent info ! origin leo technology \( 603 \) 432 432 \( hst v32 \) \( 1 132 189 \)
russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) subject windows zip unzip organization deakin university , victoria , australia lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host ariel eng deakin oz au using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call ones available one stand amongst rest \? full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph \( 052 \) 27 1141 fax \( 052 \) 27 2015 deakin university , school engineering technology , , australia
arf genesis mcs com \( jack schmidling \) subject news missed organization mcsnet subscriber , chicago , il lines 12 nntp posting host localhost mcs com article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article 1993may7 175730 12246 ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes , , british , iranians uae refer occupied territory , mean territory dispute israel affairs \? suppose reason jews call occupied territory , judea 's called propaganda repeat lies often enough , people start believe js
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? organization decision support inc lines 38 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com another one rescued bit bucket years book discussed elsewhere net generally , discussion comes contention one hand tsv contains blood libel islam merit , death , least banning probably sort punishment rushdie , particularly non muslim western country , every right write publish whatever chose , regardless whether muslims find offensive , without fear persecution death naturally inclined latter position , find interesting position , think fine book , incidentally concerned islam , moreover i'm damned find anything offensive years , made point , various primarily muslim posters responded , saying yes indeed read book called things filth lies , would rank rushdie 's book hitler 's mein worse , unfortunately , comments usually generalities , attempts follow requesting explanations specifically offensive met either stony silence , generalizations , inaccurate context references book lead believe actually read corrections attempts discuss text context ignored anyway , since seem one following particular line discussion , wonder many rest readership read book \? thoughts \? jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee , jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
cirrus com \( tom crawford \) subject old 256k simms \? distribution usa organization cirrus logic inc lines 18 master cs rose hulman edu nextwork rose hulman edu \( f hensley \) writes article 120466 netnews upenn edu jhaines eniac seas upenn edu \( jason haines \) writes wondering people good uses old 256k simms bunch apple mac know lots people tried sell gotten interest , inovative use \( want buy simms 8 \) \) sure 'll give 10 bucks think really neat put onto key rings somebody makes mistake asking , totally geek tc
kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) subject disks copy protected organization san francisco state university lines 21 article apr23 yuma acns colostate edu jmiller terra colostate edu \( jeff miller \) writes earlier article kasey chang wrote nothing , read whole suggestion , i'm saying register via mail mailing registration card , company send patch includes info put registration card problem scheme , buy game , want play day mailing card california would probably take week n't say program disabled , \? \( hate ! ! ! ! people take words context \) mean installed , cannot without registering , transfer another machine , sort limitation \( author decide \) , removed program registered kasey chang
cps edu \( michael \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization university dayton computer science dept , dayton , oh lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu really speed game umps need start calling strikes way used i'm talking making strike zone start knees go top letters forget strike zone general area groin lot less 3 2 counts quicker game
doug happy vf ge com \( doug hughes \) subject fax software \? keywords free nntp posting host happy vf ge com reply doug happy vf ge com organization ge aerospace vf lines 25 article darkstar ucsc edu , cats ucsc edu \( philip brown \) writes 'd like know free fax software xwindows use sun 4 110 running mit x11r5 checked export lcs mit edu list , n't seem anything tea noxious brew various oriental leaves , containing toxic acids personally , rather like \( dr peter davidson \) cats ucsc edu soda berkeley edu check prep ai mit edu 's called fax 3 2 1 tar z something effect software requires \( moment \) fairly costly 450 fax modem certain capabilities use doug hughes system net admin martin marietta aerospace , valley , pa doug happy vf ge com doug land vf ge com
athena mit edu \( timothy j gardner \) subject 1994 mustang organization massachusetts institute technology lines 47 nntp posting host mit edu article 1993apr24 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes subject upcoming new mustang put much stock mag inside information , even ford rep quotes taurus pretty much surprise finally disclosed 's entirety inside information taurus v8 rear wheel drive one point would n't look simple mustang , folks may cheating 's lot potential ford n't released new car without 4 wheel 7 years mustang project least 4 , right \? 4 wheel could happen modular v8 's , interest cafe competition , n't rule , either ignorant many spy shots artist renderings , really knows 'll look like \? mach iii \? doubt highly next mustang ford 's highest profile car attracts way attention camaro firebird 's heritage embedded general public n't lie believe ford forfeit car magazines printed lot information new mustang consensus believe car circle suspension pieces tuning almost identical current cobra , stiffer body structure improve behavior \( \) cost weight debacle , ford decided independent rear suspension rear wheel drive wo n't tried volume car current 4 9l v 8 soldier two years version 32 valve modular v 8 mark viii could offered ford spending big money 2 5l 3 5l v 6 engines power cars immediate future , therefore probably consider volume production 300 hp v 8 engines priority , car looks ok , nearly exciting new camaro firebird , imo suspect ford produce car higher quality gm achieve camaro firebird way gm loses money , temptation get door sake positive cash flow great demand really takes tim gardner
stark dwovax enet dec com \( todd stark \) subject ocd organization digital equipment corporation lines 60 nntp posting host dwovax summary two important clarifications previous post mine followup previous reply topic , pointed might dangerously misleading two spots 1 stated \( meaning talking therapy \) used treat obsessive compulsive disorder , though sometimes true misleading often found effective , particularly primary treatment today usually consists least part drug therapy current theories condition attribute biological causes psychological , places distinction becomes important 2 mentioned dsm mentions possible diagnostic marker however , might look like something people associate psychotic conditions , unpredictable behaviors , case ocd one diagnostic criteria ocd individual suppress , ' although source anxiety obsessive thoughts actions usually associated ocd frequently mundane predictable , closer nature dangerous nature part references \( one non technical several technical \) someone kind enough supply unable post themself boy could n't stop washing judith \( technical refs \) c disorder donna lynn 1990 10 \( 3 \) 175 198 epidemiology ocd jane j clin psychiatry 1990 51 \( 2 , \) 10 13 waking nightmare overview ocd judith l j clin psychiatry 1990 51 \( 11 , \) 25 28 absence placebo response ocd r , bruce jones , stephen olson j ment disease 1990 vol 178 4 thanks much supplied constructive criticism first post ocd hope helps clarify parts misleading kind regards , todd todd stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation \( 215 \) 354 philadelphia , pa usa \( word \) skin living thought wendell holmes , jr
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject countersteering , know know question \? organization summary hurt study , braking , accidents lines 36 article mjs zen sys uea ac uk , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes lotto harvard edu \( jerry lotto \) writes understanding ability swerve essentially absent among accident involved riders hurt study average rider identify countersteering alone provides primary input effect motorcycle lean , even many years practice would agree entirely three paragraphs hurt study make distinction ability swerve failure swerve \? accidents near accidents 've seen , riders almost always stand brakes hard dare , simply instinct brake face danger strong rides everything else hard braking swerving tend mutually exclusive hurt draw conclusions one generally preferable \? apparently instinct brake face danger n't strong instinct freeze nothing face danger hurt found surprising number accident involved motorcyclists n't used brakes prior impact think way 'll ever use countersteering reliably correctly crisis make conscious method directional control ever use , practice constantly , even need turning follow long straight , seem back forth randomly suddenly without obvious need , 's i'm practicing countersteering avoiding imaginary obstacles directly path practice may indeed futile , even milliseconds react , familiar tactic available \( hopefully automatic \) countersteering logic applies braking front brake , course chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
king cogsci ucsd edu \( jonathan king \) subject teams organisms stats stats \( jack morris \) organization university california , san diego lines 124 distribution na nntp posting host cogsci ucsd edu summary let 's talks stats stats note i'm posting part argument roger , independent sort thread actually quote things roger wrote , might better think sampling post \( hip hop sense \) fits want say maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes point decision making pro used determine best score game lates teams individual players method inherent baseball comparing individual performances , , , baseball team game 's interesting parallel way viewing baseball team people 's conception biological organism biology context , would likely read fitness score game organisms teams interpret players trickier , either organs , genes might seem reasonable choices depending point trying make genes interpretation actually might really interesting case , would different probably longer post , however , take organ view , knowledge biology make us pause start saying things like species x fit species better organ z given know organs , would often suspicious claims \( note type argument quite often made map species x onto , organ z onto \) hand , statements kind seem reasonable others , far test \( e g might reasonable assuming gross pathology , particularly species primate \) even make statements , concerned functioning whole organism , possibility one organ might crucial one species second organ another \( mention possibility organ particularly crucial third species \) however , non kind streak , want say organism completely magical whole intriguing process made various interact ways potentially observable processes might localized particular organs , others may distributed across multiple organs way , like baseball team , except think pretty clear processes interactions involved baseball much simpler less numerous organisms say one player better another able say ab player 's team would played better player b lineup sheer speculation impossible ascertain one thing quite difficult baseball perfectly controlled experiments sometimes tough , course , never stopped researchers best , sometimes deriving powerful conclusions even absence certainty goes far beyond sheer speculation , even sheer speculation motivate interesting research want select group statistics claim clemens done better another pitcher statistics criteria , fine cases , 're seeing word statistics means summary observed events , events viewed output process , possibly inputs processes thus , valid notion processes put together functioning organism , data form statistics might give us basis test particular hypotheses able prove statistics measure individual 's contribution winning ws measure best meaning context baseball statement brings us back concept fitness fitness defined terms organism environment might fit one situation another moving baseball , clear team spends entire season environment including teams league least nominal sense , division winners teams league , \( average \) better fitness scores competing real sense , fairly large random component performance team difficult impossible account terms factors intrinsic \( interesting \) baseball true biology also direct biological equivalent world series world series , random component may greatly magnified small number games played , teams suddenly experience huge changes originally successful might fun watch , 's unclear really means one un related point yet see predict ws winner greater accuracy jeanne dixon hand , seen us predict outcome divisional races better random assignment teams finishes , maybe us \( e g \) better participants forum regular basis probably due fact 162 game schedule gives little hope bad hops n't difference winners losers moreover , 've opportunity see analysis world series situation makes strong claim nobody predict ws winner reliably greater accuracy coin biased reflect well known home vs road effect winning percentage stats nice hobby 's new knowledge produced since stats summaries events , 's true know events derive stats somebody trying understand process behind stats , stats produce new knowledge , might even reliable , repeatable , useful speaking , get back producing knowledge different field , course , produce knowledge even though i'm relying stats jking
eugene dartmouth edu \( eugene \) subject fenway x posted internews1 newshost dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 6 hi anybody know ticket info fenway \? thanks eugene dartmouth edu
mg cs princeton edu \( michael golan \) subject clipper serial numbers need 2nd court order \? originator news nimaster nntp posting host atomic princeton edu organization princeton university lines 28 something one discussed yet \( missed \) fbi sets wiretap court order handed point access line detect serial number n happens next , fbi simply asks keys n , , since warrant issued line , fbi simply gets \? multiple phones used house , fbi asks n1 , n2 , etc \? exactly prevent fbi claiming serial number , x , also used line get keys x \? either second court order \( specific serial key \) required \( seen indication \) , fbi effectively ask pair keys time , escrow key holders total fake unrelated issue phones always use clipper chip , call transfers going take place \? ! michael golan mg cs princeton edu
root columbiasc ncr com \( ernie \) subject xterm fonts nntp posting host columbiasc ncr com organization ncr corporation e columbia lines 41 article 1993may11 taylor uucp , mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes problem many might run use lots ascii terminals use max meaning lots attributes , line draw , etc need come working xterm emulate advanced ascii terminals closely possible means needing attributes work , including bold line drawing fonts seem meet criteria pairs fonts one bold normal , , fixed spacing , several sizes standard fonts work fonts like misc work great , except need font one size larger , 10x20 10x20 works well , bold counterpart ! make matters worse , need fonts form use tektronix xterminals seems like pcf format , although able convert bdf format anyone suggestions \? mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp would tedious , time could get bdf file \( email n't n't easy access x source \) , could make bold font since glyph bitmap , could write program convert glyph bitmap readable file , use bitmap make glyph bold , convert results back bdf format , use bdftopcf create pcf file , stick pcf usr lib x11 fonts misc \( wherever \) include fonts dir , voila , 'll need ! ernie \( 803 \) 926 2071 ncr corporation columbia ernie columbiasc ncr com platt springs road west columbia , sc i'm busting every night tell old man drag walton court 48 minutes roger murdoch , co pilot
prism cs orst edu \( ryan robin \) subject usa today ftp site article flop distribution world organization cs dept , oregon state university lines 13 nntp posting host prism cs orst edu usa today ftp site could someone please post newsgroup everyone stop posting send articles i'm sure many people like know post net rather mailing hundreds people thought thanks , ryan robin \( prism cs orst edu \)
sr hp com \( rob \) subject gateway flash bios upgrade organization division month club x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 15 daniel coleman \( dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \) wrote gateway 2000 released new flash bios update local bus systems i'm nice person , uploaded wuarchive wustl edu look glb05 exe msdos uploads section enjoy ! blindly installed n't problems noticed differences yet ! note backup previous bios , tool ship rob live edge robert 707 577 hewlett hp packard hp santa rosa , ca telnet 1 577 mail stop sr hp com
dennisn ecs comm mot com \( dennis newkirk \) subject tsniimach enterprise organization motorola distribution sci nntp posting host 145 1 146 43 lines 27 article 1 cs cmu edu flb flb optiplan fi \( f baube tm \) writes wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org tsniimach enterprise described ex military establishment , focusing aerodynamics thermal protection spacecraft participated development shuttle system , located near npo energia facility kaliningrad , outside moscow facility kaliningrad , near moscow , correction , info kaliningrad mr larrison writes indeed near moscow 've read may also known name , short distance \( star city \) training center read tsniimach \( central scientific research institute machine building , est 1961 \) enterprise also responsible creating \( ground command measurement complex \) including kaliningrad flight control center controlled soviet russian manned since completion 1973 however , appears part ministry general machine building part military \( ministry defense \) would part military industrial complex dennis newkirk \( dennisn ecs comm mot com \) motorola , land mobile products sector schaumburg , il
himb iniki soest hawaii edu \( liz camarra \) subject hercules vlb \? organization school ocean earth science technology lines 36 article 1993apr22 adobe com sherwood adobe com \( geoffrey sherwood \) writes wife purchased viewsonic 17 , looking graphics card drive want 70hz refresh , would really like handle cd roms tried orchid p9000 , neither things \( though robert say 70hz possible driver data base \) thoughts go back hercules supposed coming vlb version graphite around end march heard precisely zero since anyone know card actually released , capabilities \( price \) \? hmm cd rom program must using oddball vga modes think trying get end month , released though 'll limited quantities , think quite back order right \( 2 megs version come bit later \) since viewsonic 17 \( think horizontal frequency right \? \) , 're gonna love 2 megs version 75hz , 80hz , 1024x768x256 90hz \( ! \) , 1024x768x65536 75hz also 640x480x16 mil bit 90hz , bad n't high bandwidth monitor like \) \) \( modes need monitor , otherwise 'll use lower refresh rate \) want info coming graphite vl , go ibm hardware section compuserve \( \) , video sig 're several hercules reps helpful stephen lau , elec engineering , univ hawaii n't account grad school starts \( autumn 93 \) death fm synthesis ! go gus !
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization ncr teradata database business unit lines 74 swf another indirect post via dan article 1993apr20 asl dl nec com , duffy asl dl nec com \( joseph duffy \) writes article 1993apr17 4847 microsoft com microsoft com \( russ paul jones \) writes way theory proven false examine theory makes , try observe n't , observe things theory predicts would n't happen , evidence theory theory ca n't modified incorporate new observations , say false one handle experiment \? many types experiments prediction observed phenomena happen capable observed example , chemistry someone may predict outcome chemical reaction actually observe reaction repeatedly several problems first , discussing experimental procedures observational procedures also useful main criterion attempting verify idea using make prediction yet observations observations could result experiment , could activity occuring nature , could even observations lasting results events long past matters observations new prediction science predicting future except restricted sense secondly , also take many forms really requirement independent observers able verify results observation fossil , since qualified observer may look \( specimens museum \) also , implicit prediction future fossil finds correspond current one new fossils found often enough tested regularly many times new fossil actually conclusion made basis previous fossils unfortunately , models falsified alway peripheral model evolution \( instance , front legs rex turned tremendous muscles , rather weakly endowed previously believed \) , fact , science findings repeatable necessary sense becuase cannot go repeat original event make impossible make valid observations say biologists would go extra terrestrial life discovered could make determination process abiogenesis relatively easy sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com
hoss panix com \( felix cat \) subject good place back surgery \? distribution usa organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 36 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 gary \( cbnewsg cb att com \) wrote hello , one quick question father back problem long time doctors diagnosed operation needed since lives mexico , wants know hospital anywhere united states particulary famous kind surgery , kind like houston reputation excellent doctors eye surgery additional info pointers appreciated whole lot ! one hospital new york city famous , namely hospital special surgery located upper east side manhattan want address phone let know , 'll get , dont know hand interested hospitals referring hospital special surgery 535 east street new york , ny 212 606 \( physician referral service info \) hospital joint diseases 301 east 17th street new york , ny 212 598 felix cat 0 0 wonderful , wonderful cat ! meow ! hoss panix com
mhembruc tsegw tse com \( mattias hembruch \) subject driver 's seat best cars year organization toronto stock exchange lines 20 tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) writes golf also 's \( automobile association canada \) 1993 car year award unless mistaken \( screwed borrowed vcr got first 2 minutes \) , corrado slc awarded 's sports \( sporty \? \) car year mattias tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo , ont stick index fingers corners mouth pull 's corrado makes feel car , january '93 mattias hembruch views necessarily reflect tse e mail mhembruc tse com
erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu \( erini doss \) subject cellular organization university illinois urbana lines 11 need get info cellular antennas biggest companies market \? much antenna cost \? specs antennas \( gain , \) \? contact person \? thank email erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu
cst blueoak berkeley edu \( courtney terry \) subject sale 1969 ghia organization university california , berkeley lines 25 distribution ca nntp posting host blueoak berkeley edu 1969 ghia car excellent running condition 49 , 000 mi new engine new tires \( aug 92 \) new clutch \( 91 \) new carb \( 91 \) original radio \( fm \) great shape exterior black interior car well maintained regular tune ups unfortunately , car 's previous owner minor front end collision right front nose dented patched hard find part needed repair damage besides damage , car excellent condition 1600 bo courtney email cst blueoak berkeley edu phone \( 5 weekdays \) 510 704
george minster york ac uk subject epson stylus 800 organization department computer science , university york , england lines 11 anyone information better , first hand experience , new epson bubblejet printer stylus 800 \? \? i'm particularly interested hearing well works windows presume special printer driver required supplied standard \? able print everything standard postscript laserprinter could \? \? many thanks replies george george bolt , dept psychology , univ york , uk
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject ulf crushes valeri zelepukin lines 16 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 bill clare 726 9419 \( clare ssd kodak com \) wrote less says penguins game briefly saw ulf cross check valeri face wondering cherry going go coach 's corner type game come ! wake ! geez 's player sort thing think kind lucky game really considering state nj tom huot huot cray com
aa963 freenet carleton ca \( lloyd carr \) subject female \( 40 's \) looking riding buddy ! reply aa963 freenet carleton ca \( lloyd carr \) organization national capital freenet lines 35 previous article , ccc amdahl com \( david e ben \) says single , white female 40s , looking man motorcycle share fun trips 1 6 days \( \) honda magna 700 riding life 's hard find people ride son 's account , please respond address info \( phone number , etc \) thanks ! n't need sig n't mention riding area 're eastern part ontario canada , may able help love 1 day runs info needed lloyd '86 stallion dod 814 carr aa963 freenet carleton ca e mail carr uranus doc ca ontario ham ip ca na
conradie firga sun ac za \( gerrit conradie \) subject serious e magazine summary starting group scientific articles pre publish keywords scientific papers , electronic magazine organization university stellenbosch , sa lines 28 article 1993apr27 et tudelft nl ferry dutentb et tudelft nl \( ferry \) writes subject serious e magazine summary starting group scientific articles pre publish keywords scientific papers , electronic magazine time 've thinking possibility starting group scientific articles published \( perhaps summaries \) possible advantages would free distribution fast acceptance online discussion authors readers would possible one group moderator publishing articles one perhaps without discussion think great , idealistic idea first try publish worthy paper credible , professional magazine community like usenet infamous lots \( \) junk information papers published , general , low quality also , improbable credit given researcher publish sadly , nowadays main reason publishing usenet great informal discussions free exchange ideas keep like new , specialist group worth gerrit
m88max tdb uu se \( max brante \) subject check switches ibm xt organization department scientific computing , uppsala university lines 11 ok , might seem bit odd check state \( dip \) switches mother board ibm xt without using bios thanx l l \( \) max brante m88max tdb uu se l l l l l l l l l \( \( \) l f r l l l l l l \( \) uppsala universitet
mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject burden proof organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 29 article 1993apr26 ousrvr oulu fi phoenix oulu fi \( kari tikkanen \) writes math exam burden proof says prove elements set \( n divided 30 leaves 5 remainder , n prime , n integer \) exist well , mathematics formal science real world may different thing entertainment \( company \) sell computer programs saying virus safe doesn`t burden proof viruses don`t exist floppies \? n't think assumption turns software virus , prove fact court get damages theoretically suppossed able get damages , give evidence virus came software since computer company , proven guilty phoenix oulu fi kari tikkanen ! ! b ! begin sf oulu ! ! ! f \( x \) dx ! eq \( \) finland ! vega ! ! end please , pascal ! ! ! \) mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
matthews oswego oswego edu subject mg series sale reply matthews oswego oswego edu \( \) distribution na organization instructional computing center , suny oswego , oswego , ny lines 31 originator matthews oswego edu 1954 mg tf frame restoration early '70 's local show winner ! driven little stored inside since mostly collected dirt dust needs attention brake cylinders \( like mg 's \) otherwise ready run chrome paint fancy mechanically excellent engine , , completely machine shop priced 12 , 000 1953 mg td good shape n't run since '70 's needs engine work , rust everything including top , side curtains carpet new n't seen outdoors since '70 's 9 , 500 1952 mg td basket case 'd call parts car , 's good everything seems except tach would make good project car parts car insist apparent rust disaster stored inside since '70 's top new one wire wheels ! looking 4 , 500 three cars sold stand hassles time passed time part company prices negotiable reply via matthews oswego oswego edu u mail p box 1015 315 341 oswego , ny harry matthews internet matthews oswego oswego edu learning resources satellite tv bitnet matthews u n college cable tv voice mail 315 341 oswego , ny alloy pc mho 's mine , u n oswego 's
frode ifi unit \( frode kvam \) subject auto check boxes organization institutt informatikk , tr heim , lines 26 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 question boxes windows possibility let boxes several different colors time \? frode kvam \) \( c \) name frode kvam univ university trondheim , dept informatics e mail frode ifi unit snail mail 8 trondheim voice 47 7 50 45 06 beware programmers carry screwdrivers
ji cs columbia edu \( john ioannidis \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization columbia university department computer science distribution na lines 11 article 1993apr30 csus edu sphughes sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( shaun p hughes \) writes perhaps someone ask zippy pinhead opinion \) yow ! encrypting yet \? n't go discussion months ago \? must go \? ji
wvnvms wvnet edu subject ntsc data rgb \? video capture organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines 11 anyone know decode color information ntsc signal \? need convert data rgb video capture utility writing use ibm motion video adapter card need know v u signals work color process thanks advance information algorythms etc later net
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject gulf war peace niks organization decision support inc lines 89 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article 1993apr20 882 batman bmd trw com jbrown batman bmd trw com writes article 1993apr20 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes actually , rather like idea perhaps rest world bombed \( maybe \) washington us invaded nicaragua , grenada , panama , vietnam , mexico , hawaii , number places wait minute , doug know better informed us never invaded nicaragua \( far know \) liberated grenada liberate way invader describes invasion , including , i'm mistaken , iraqi liberation kuwait never invaded nicaragua \? word games say send marines \? mean word invaded sort military action cross someone 's border , right 5 6 normally invaded carries connotation attacking autonomous nation \( nation invades u virgin islands , would invading virgin islands u \? \) point view , score falls 2 6 \( mexico , panama \) oh , good word games let aggressor pick words , 's scarcely ever reprehensible military action 's peace nik \? somebody n't masturbate \? supposed bad peace nik \? , 's someone believes peace costs words , person would supported giving hitler austria , poland could war one would allow hitler wipe jews , slavs , political dissidents areas controlled long left rest us alone 's convenient technique , much seen alt atheism define disagree according straw man extreme matches virtually nobody supposed bad peace nik , ask \? well , depends values value life liberty , peace freedom , guess liberty freedom mean life 'd rather die fighting liberty live tyrant 's heel , yes , 's bad peace nik noble patriotic i'm sure fine young americans carpet bombed iraqi infantry positions horizon , destroyed iraq 's sewer water infrastructure safety sky , iraqi infantry trenches importantly commanders ordered thrilled risking death \( risking much \) defense liberty well , wealthy kuwaitis ca n't oil fields tyrant 's heel tyrant antagonistic us interests problem peace niks consider us like bad unconscionable would argument problem peace nik held ideals stayed conflicts issues , especially dealing national defense , willing allow us legitimately hold different point view holed peace niks \( context , people disagree conduct gulf war \) peace cost hitler supporting genocide , express righteous indignation refuse fit mold question conduct war legitimate terms dare ! many times resort violence name peace \( rank hypocrisy ! \) yes , hypocrisy indeed ! violent peace niks ! \( care list example \? \) stop willing stand defend freedoms tyrants , realize requires strong national defense wow instant '80 's nostalgia ! course , peace nik 's cold war derogatory term equating promote pacifism godless pinko communists yes indeed , felt freedoms mightily threatened iraq jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) subject yakult swallows \( japanese pro baseball team \) distribution rec organization hi , i'm matt , i'm boston red sox fan lines 42 nntp posting host elvis swarthmore edu anyone idea get japanese league stats regularly us \? matt wall cc swarthmore edu article lab ntt jp , yajima nttcom ntt jp \( yajima hiroshi \) wrote tuesday 's game beloved yakult swallows \( , 36 , 000 \) hanshin tigers 001 000 100 2 beloved yakult 050 020 7 w ito \( 1 0 \) l \( 0 1 \) hr yakult , 1st central league standing w l pct gb hiroshima 7 1 0 875 dragons 6 3 0 667 1 5 hanshin tigers 5 4 0 667 2 5 hated giants 4 4 0 500 3 0 beloved swallows 3 6 0 333 4 5 1 8 0 111 6 5 hiroshi yajima \( e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp \) ntt network information systems laboratories , 9 11 cho 3 chome musashino shi , tokyo , 180 japan , tel 81 422 59 , fax 81 422 59 matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey , gotta job , ok \? april 6 , 1993 boston red sox seize first place
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization university virginia lines 57 tichauer valpso hanse de writes reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering later , somebody informed gross mistake , none guys noticed gross mistake 'cause n't clue noticed corrected doubt would ever noticed i'm sure learned history nazi germany austria family actually 've read books taken courses subject ah yes like lived greater trying make comparisons israels politics nazi german austrian politics shows degree ignorance \( high \) , intellect \( low \) , humanity \( none \) guys funny 's funny see people lose control start name calling realize point respect anybody long respects discusses civilized manner would never say anybody israel politics could fooled n't know call civil libertarian \( never heard \) know one thing think like , civil libertarians new denomination antisemites may civil libertarians come word group learn beyer right \( civil libertarians antisemites \) understand individual liberties \( freedom speach , religion etc \) could thing never heard actually , civil libertarians believe fundamental freedoms belong human beings would support jews nazis anyone else tries oppress would support arabs israelis oppressive regimes \( iraq etc \) btw , could n't care less andi beyer well actually mentioned things appreciate 1 politeness 2 stimulating conversation 3 red rose 4 new york june good tune 5 6 really angry funny people need complete list n't hesitate ask
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject snes games forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 17 following snes games forsale ones instructions ones instructions romance three kingdoms ii 25 15 legend link past 10 soul blazer 10 please reply e mail jth bach udel edu ask 3 h one game , buy one still need 3 thanks , jay
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject doctrine original sin organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 bigelow writes also noteworthy consider jesus' attitude argument pharisees ot canon \( john 10 31 6 \) , explained followers road emmaus law , prophets psalms referred ot division scripture \( luke 24 44 \) , well luke 11 51 taking genesis chronicles \( jewish order would say genesis malachi \) scripture remember adam 's transgression , men women sinned , paul wrote humanity god 's sin , thus , subject , sin transmitted generation generation andy byler
hausner qucis queensu ca \( hausner \) subject long term human missions organization sc , c , queen 's , kingston , canada lines 18 article 1993apr28 edu rek siss81 \( robert kaye \) writes contributions space program regular society 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) sorry split hairs , read making atomic bomb \( \) teflon developed world war 2 needed tubing uranium passed gradually enriched corrosive , inert yet flexible material needed seals 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) hausner \( hausner qucis queensu ca \) \( \) richard rhodes , making atomic bomb , simon
kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) subject get \( ever learn \? \) organization university illinois urbana lines 42 jpr1 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( james p reynolds \) writes get current health care system cancer killing economic well costs still rising 10 percent year even americans tens millions go without , forced managed care programs , certainly pretty socialized already ask couple months ago posted message asking hillary bashers please come forward present \( , straight talk \) would set keeping costs n't get single answer first thing would would medicare ! primary reason health care costs going cover people currently programs , would sell coverage blocks insurance companies private companies would bid get large blocks people , prices would go get away strong federal control health care , would pass control states everyone always spewing forth wonderful hawaii well , giving states incentive try plans would try implement far reaching federal program program cover americans , surest way fail ! anyone read news , live system , see faults \? deal deficit , cities , educational system , , aids , modernizing industry , etc n't quit throwing away money could used solve problems \? one sure way stop throwing money away stop giving much federal government federal taxes slashed , state taxes increased strong central government always fails give power back states counties cities , belongs america needs health care reform n't sit hillary bash , inform ! inform , want hillary bash
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 3 whoever listens live safety ease , without fear harm proverbs 1 33
dpw com \( janice price \) subject iridology credence \? \? \? lines 5 saw printed flyer stated person licensed opinions \? much tell person 's health looking eyes \?
amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) subject israeli terrorism 24910 news service uci edu 1993apr26 das harvard edu usenet ins cwru edu eggertj moses atc mit edu organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel lines 25 nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply eggertj moses atc mit edu 's message 26 apr 93 21 28 46 eggertj moses atc mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) writes exactly , reminiscent assassination count bernadotte , un 1948 israeli war independence killed israelis seems successful negotiating cease fire , would worked israel , compared continued war operation done small jewish fraction state even existed , far remember , jews saying killed israelis plain wrong n't israel time far jews liked idea part land see reaction un resolution 29 november , arab 's reaction \( , n't arabs danced streets jewish states invading quite way around \) bye , amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
jakhan iastate edu \( javed ahmed khan \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply jakhan iastate edu \( javed ahmed khan \) organization iowa state university lines 36 article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu , prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word dont think 're correct reports bosnians muslims supporting nazis genocide serbians fact croat govt using secret police \( called ustache , think \) prime agents nazis yugoslavia serbs satya prabhakar javed
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 159 article 1993apr23 6509 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes article 230 netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article 1993apr23 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes predicting future , entirely meaningless least meaning , n't know find say could predict future certainly ! really n't want get didnot debate somewhat heart disagreement say , imply , could predict future inferred comments meant , based rebuttal comments fact statistical studies demonstrated reasonable basis predicting future performance regard clutch hitting sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 sabo clearly better hitter samuel yet would pinch hit samuel predict samuel clutch hitter sabo choke hitter right \? 'd call predicting future opinion sabo clearly better hitter samuel data 4 year period ending last season last season samuel batted 272 sabo hit 244 \( park adjusted \) season hitting 200 , albeit sabo bats agree career sabo better hitter samuel , also remind samuel better hitter certain situations sabo predict sabo would choke , samuel would get hit expressed opinion reds manager \( even reds fan \) would prefer samuel hit situation sabo reds manager time , assume would basis letting sabo hit rather pinch hitting samuel i'm sure basis would utilized prior performance would n't used particular aspect prior performance correct \? right would used aspects prior performance shown consistent past overall performance , l r splits , even matching hitting pitching styles give advantage used properly ah properly yes see even else equal , would advantage gained looking past clutch performance case , everything else pointed sabo please help , exactly , everything else pointed sabo \? well , yes aware existance claim incapable understanding \( though suspect simply unwilling \) yet rather forcefully state opposite n't seem think work worth reading \( yet obviously feel topic important \) 'd say insulting must say , aware publication email information regarding availability \? guess must apologize done extensive study , say , supply side economics n't mean insult never believe right path i'm sorry contrary opinion position also regret n't ability prove wrong believe season 's end chris sabo 's batting average clutch situations significantly lower batting average non clutch situations ca n't prove happen , guess 'll wait see simply prediction chris sabo year \? prediction batters , past years , hit \( xxx amount \? \) worse clutch overall \? says ! mean first , say , 'll wait see second much stronger statement fact , suggests rule test rule past data see worked recent years think agree rule n't work last year year , unlikely better year right \? second statement , mine i'm going get case analysis sure , find somebody hit poorly '89 '91 hit poorly '92 well also find hit poorly '89 '91 hit well '92 well , actually , n't yet i'm finished looking , n't yet found someone hit significantly overall batting average clutch situations years 1989 91 , reversed relationship 1992 's fallacy unless reason expect consistency , run proves nothing give us reason expect clutch ba correlate one year next \? 've seen detailed study n't expect correlate nope sorry interested reason expect chris sabo 's ability hit clutch correlate one year next , think could interested reason expect joe carter 's ability hit clutch correlate one year next , think could 're interested , think conclusions could valid could entire baseball population ca n't stupid reference statement stupid \( n't see deny \) total idiot \? yes prove unwilling even consider evidence might suggest wrong , would say term fits nicely problem believe accept work believe trying predict future clutch performance based prior clutch history meaningless better coin toss actually accept work happens , also opinion certain situations , certain players , history superior inferior ability hit clutch might suggest reason history could valid projecting future player performance player chris sabo one player tell \? term fit \? open mind \? well , since defer statistical wisdom , think must open mind pose question beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 59 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes \( deletion \) point morals , essence , personal opinions usually \( ideally \) well founded , motivated , nonetheless personal fact real large lot people agree moral question , sometimes even reason , make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions moral question , good evolution social species real large lot \( nice phrase \) people agree football desk , i'm supposed see logical difference two \? perhaps explain difference , since seem see clearly \( rest deleted \) 's fallacy , first time pointed 's fallacy note supermajority disinterested people agree value \( 're ethics yet benedikt \) , difference people agreeing trivial observation \? one , never given set morals people agree upon unlike football , conveniently ignore many would agree morality something analogy hold , however , given example value people agree , explained people agree freedom valuable also stated value necessary condition objective ethics assertion i'm talking , n't point talking ethics ca n't agreed one expect sufficiently many people agree football , give evidence vanishing number disagrees set morals give i'm morals \( ethics \) ca n't get past values say , cogent objection 'freedom' example maybe people n't talking thing answer valuable maybe , want think , especially implications true , evidence , proof proof would evolve testing theory absolute morals competing theories garbage 's proof either one arguments reiterate never answer objections evidence preacher name fallacy frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
subject gamma ray bursters alien gen nz \( ross smith \) distribution world organization labs lines 31 article 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au keithh tplrd tpl oz au \( keith harwood \) writes article gap caltech edu , palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? given enormous power , wondering , quantum black holes something like fairly close \? would galactic ranges \? david gives good explaination deductions isotropic , 'edged' distribution , whit , either part universe part oort cloud n't know mean 'edged' , surely two possibilities isotropic distribution near interstellar \( 100 pc , e within disc \) , galaxy 's corona \? could n't earth centred , edge occuring edge gravisphere \? know n't mechanism , n't mechanism others either ross smith \( , nz \) alien gen nz among gods , dispute one originally thought christianity , call , great leg pull apollo best claim , sizeable minority support pluto , ex god dead , grounds really sick sense humour \( tom holt \)
tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) nntp posting host hydra convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 33 article agate berkeley edu robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) writes article 1993apr20 adobe com cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes article c5sk1d c1p srgenprp sr hp com frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) writes honda v designates v engine street bike vf v 4 , vt v twin honda hawk \( nt 650 \) \? 's twin , called vt new technology yeah , honda cx500 \( also v twin , direction \) \? cycle experimental got mechanic al lamb 's honda ! 0 0 1991 cbr600f2 \( \) allen tobias technical email \( \) \( \) convex computer corp marketing tobias convex com \( \) \( \) 3000 parkway \( \) \( \) richardson , tx \( \) bike awesome i'm fearless let 's go jay gleason
trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) subject theists objectivity organization university nebraska omaha lines 82 theist truly objective \? impartial questioning truth scriptures , assume superstition parents questioning \? 've often found case theist stick kind superstition wondering god scriptures 've seen christian , jew , muslim , theists alike assume mothers fathers right aspect god exists , belief search god occasionally , theist may switch religions aspects religion , overall majority keep belief creator behind universe 's existence 've known muslims christians vice versa , 've known christians jewish vice versa , 've even known christians become hindu yet , throughout transition one faith another , 've kept belief form higher \? usually child brought time born , theist brought notion truth kind scripture bible , torah , qur'an , etc told wondrous god wrote \( inspired \) scripture , prophets talked scripture , miracles performed , etc also told question \( children apt \) sin , crime god , lose belief ture 's truth damn one 's soul hell thus , time able read scripture , belief truth ingrained mind seems matter course n't stop child able read , endeavor child right readings scripture , concentrate pleasant readings , gloss worse ones , explain away unexplainable mystery circular arguments , self facts truths , belief , fear hell meat religion child must eat every day doubt , course , means wrath sort , child must learn put away brain matter concerns god considerable effect child , becomes adult , 's taught nearly impossible remove leads ask whether theist truly objective questioning god , hell , heaven , angels , souls , rest , moment , put aside notion god exist look everything unbiased point view \? obviously , theists somewhat , especially presented mythical gods \( , roman , egyptian , etc \) put aside assumption god 's existence question \? stephen atheist libertarian pro individuality pro responsibility jr jazz
michael flood channel1 com \( michael flood \) subject cpu fans article channel1 1993apr22 1147 reply michael flood michael flood channel1 com distribution comp organization channel 1 communications lines 30 nmp mfltd co uk \( nic percival \( \) \) wrote got 66mhz 486dx2 system , considering getting fan cpu processor running hot touch think \( stuff deleted \) 66 dx2 week old custom built using pc power cooling cpu cooler one precision ball bearings motor pretty substantial heat sink happened fail would still probably dissipate heat bare chip attaches peel adhesive full size case , fan gravity favor would little nervous finding fan bottom tower case happened let go cpu fans know powered drive cable board type fans isa boards couple fans mounted powered slot n't know effective maybe someone else could comment cpu cool enough touch pcp c unit pc connection 800 243 8088 29 95 5 00 next day delivery cord 7 00 n't spare lead power supply pcp c make best power supplies available imho channel 1 \( r \) cambridge ,
olson umbc edu \( bryan olson \( g \) \) subject advanced one time pad \( one time pad stuff \) organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host umbc edu k 've read group , know one time pad , 's question n't seen one time pad ideal security , well known flaw authentication suppose use random bit stream pad , exclusive encryption operation adversary knows plaintext message , change message 's works alice sending bob plaintext p , key stream alice computes ciphertext c xor p , sends bob eve knows p , wants message appear p' eve intercepts c , computes c' c xor p xor p' xor p' eve sends c' bob bob decrypts c' computing p' , thus receiving false message substituted eve question attack defeated information theoretic security , computational security define something like ideal authentication analog ideal security obtain ideal authentication \? , much limit eve 's control message \? achieve ideal authentication , solution use key bits expand message \? show solution optimal one parameters \? anyone know questions \? olson umbc edu
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject zealous shuttle critics organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 139 khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes rockwell international downey , california , conjunction shuttle contractors delivered world 's important revolutionary space vehicle ha ! one cannot argue fact flies , lands , reusable watch flies lands gets rebuilt opinion , appropriate specifications program 's told us back '70 's test program start , logical follow x 15 program later x series lifting bodies 1 n't logical follow logical follow would either russian type \( lifting bodies \) something like mmi 's space van \( boeing 's tsto , tsto military allegedly using probably cost less develop shuttle fly year \) engineering specs guys trenches develop system man , could land reliably , could goals quite visionary 1970 's , would argue challenging even today , including dc x program keep attitude , 'll couple centuries get real access space , unless another country without baggage comes along kicks ass space race recall 1 flight week specification final nasa specs space shuttle program documents , would find revealing interesting far tell , people touting 1 flight per week flight rate people capitol hill selling books general public nasa hq n't give rest program plausible n't worth money 've spent , probably lot apollo imho , political statements halls us congress engineering specs specs determined nasa dod contractors , congressmen , senators , presidents missions defined political leaders , engineering specs yes , gets sold basis political statements 're saying basically met engineering specs \( questionable , imho \) 's success , never mind could n't get funding shuttle eats engineering specs thousand years shuttle reusable space vehicle automatically qualifies engineering success could argue political success engineering wise , clearly advanced machine ever flown argue engineering technical data flight valuable shuttle justified criticized basis economics get flight data x 15 follow x 15 type vehicle much less economics engineering engineering absense economics basically physics , terms physics , shuttle looks like failure next x 15 henry wrote hs sorry , support arrange launchers goes launchers hs hope riding day moment , 's hs dc x 's hoped successors disappointed similar statements vocal support dc x program support dc x based hopes support shuttle program based record shuttle program bad record hopes shuttle program know hopes false dc x similar dissimilar experimental vehicles hopes least know n't false hopes yet support shuttle , way back n't nearly supposed 's time move something might job orbital delivery better think also important note object dc x visionary originally posted like dc x idea really hopeful 'll stunning success unfortunately , dc willing return support proven shuttle program explain folks criticize shuttle shuttle exactly guys need order learn operate dc x orbit n't want learn operate orbit launches , payload , lands n't waste payload hauling edo pallets like thing learned shuttle build launcher finally bit proven shuttle hoping tell lie enough times get someone believe \? enjoyed later postings regarding comparisons shuttle soyuz project although , may disagree method analysis probably disagree mine 8 \) think total impact shuttle program must judged scientific technical merit , schedules \( agree \? \) much science technology could done money spent shuttle spent differently \? , need stop thinking dc x shuttle mutually exclusive learn economics current budget realities united states , please thanks time phil fraering number one good faith ! convert , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu tortured demons ! anon mahen missionary
camelot bradley edu \( michael \) subject hawaii tickets forsale ! ! ! ! nntp posting host camelot bradley edu organization bradley university lines 15 girlfriend travelling across us summer , wo n't using tickets return hawaii please buy tickets one way , leaving peoria , il may 17 connects main route minneapolis st paul , goes honolulu 'll honolulu 2 42 pm , flying via northwest airlines offers considered , please make sure serious offers tickets hawaii n't cheap , 're aiming make two people happy summer camelot bradley edu
grebyn com \( marc \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization grebyn timesharing lines 32 article netcom com messina netcom com \( tony \) writes ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes preferred applications development platform according 432 fortune 1000 corporations survey market research survey 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 development \? house apps \? maybe , certainly apps sold open market statistics like laughable , may simply mean enough shrink wrapped usable apps unix developed disproportionately often compared installed unix base actually , might surprised find everyone develops mainstream dos windows apps develops dos windows pc week recently printed rumor microsoft 's excel development group development os 2 another trade rag article recently group windows development sun sparcstations softpc test work sco unix reasonably popular development platform dos , windows , even os 2 apps dos windows simply robust stable enough development work , imho , apparently others agree marc grebyn com \( i'm \)
aol com subject put printed book disk organization utexas mail news gateway lines 6 nntp posting host cs utexas edu yes , put book disk fast accurate also put printed articles , thesis , term papers , etc disk interested \? reply details
stein watson ibm com \( arthur stein \) subject scientific visualization chemical systems disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host watson ibm com organization visualization systems , ibm keywords computer graphics , ray tracing , volume rendering scientific visualization chemical systems cornell theory center summer school offered cornell school continuing education summer sessions course description within past ten years , simulation modeling lines 197 molecules evolved esoteric academic subject international industry computer graphics played decisive role transformation allowing chemists build , visualize interact complex geometrical objects computer scientists language discipline , often unfamiliar terminology , simulation techniques practical needs research chemists similarly , chemists often unfamiliar latest paradigms technological advances graphical computing interdisciplinary course intended bridge gap computer science chemistry equip chemistry researchers wish casual users graphics software although intended course computational chemistry drug design , data sets chemical research problems used lab students encouraged bring data sets lab exercises projects carried using data flow programming \( ibm visualization data explorer software \) students access cornell theory center computing resources , including video recording equipment audience researchers students chemical biological sciences interested integrating state art computer graphics research computer scientists wishing gain familiarity major application scientific visualization class size limited 25 participants first come first served basis level graduate advanced undergraduate , 1 2 credits may taken without credit workshop calculus , linear algebra introductory chemistry required familiarity unix , x windows c useful required date june 14 25 , 1993 \( 2 credits \) june 14 18 , 1993 \( 1 0 credits \) time mon fri 9 00 12 00 pm 1 00 pm 4 00 pm cost 0 1 credit 410 2 credits 820 format course held theory center training facility computer workstations available daily lectures laboratory exercises ample time provided project new computing environment students enrolled one credit graded basis laboratory exercises short final project enrolled second credit receive advanced lectures , given time project development meet daily share experience discuss problems encountered content \( may vary \) elements computer graphics polygonal rendering , lighting models , ray tracing , volumetric rendering , stereo graphics , animation , introduction data flow programming \( dx \) , representing atom size , time energy scales basic classical quantum mechanics important categories molecules small molecules , , surfaces catalysts , miscellaneous current applications data formats conversions advanced molecular graphics techniques types simulation experiment electronic structure , molecular dynamics mechanics , x ray , nmr , quantum dynamics spectroscopy instructors course taught two instructors topics related computer graphics handled dr bruce land , project leader visualization , cornell national supercomputing facility chemistry specific aspects course handled dr richard e , visualization specialist research scientist , cornell national supercomputing facility register mail completed form cornell university school continuing education summer sessions day hall ithaca , ny 14853 2801 questions richard \( 607 \) 254 richard tc cornell edu important acceptance first come , first served based target class size 15 full credit 10 single non credit participants deadline may 20 , 1993 application form scientific visualization chemical systems chemistry 782 computer science 718 u social security number \( available \) cornell id number \( available \) name last first middle suffix \( jr , etc \) address home address \( grades mailed \) local phone home phone academic discipline course number \( check one \) chemistry computer science credits status undergraduate student smart node consultant graduate student smart node advisor post doctoral faculty \( explain \) corporate commercial research staff \( explain \) name firm indicate following best describes \( optional \) african american alaskan native asian american caucasian hispanic american native american list special needs \( e g mobility impaired \) accommodations blocks rooms available sheraton reservations must made later may 17 sure tell cornell theory center visualization workshop sheraton inn one sheraton drive , ithaca \( 607 \) 257 2000 fax 607 257 398 rates starting 64 00 local \( make reservation early ! 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srl terminus ericsson se \( steve \) subject universal phones days \? reply srl terminus ericsson se distribution world organization camtec electronics \( ericsson \) , leicester , england lines 23 nntp posting host article dns1 nmsu edu , nmsu edu \( peter herman \) writes lhe yang sics se lhe sics se \( lars henrik eriksson \) writes would suprised equipment compatible , fact new york telephone \( nynex \) spend lot money swedish switching equipment recently lars henrik eriksson internet lhe sics se guess brand equipment refer \) lars henrik pleased know name phones new mexico state university well got contract nmsu went digital phone system snip quite correct ! company name ericsson \( 'c' \) steve l
iastate edu \( iastate edu \) subject scsi ide 's difference \? organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 17 article 1993apr21 ac dal ca ac dal ca writes stupid question new ibm pc user i'm going selling mac getting gateway 2000 noises talk frying pan fire \) scsi drives faster ide \? i'm pretty sure scsi faster along lot better compatability alex iastate edu universe \( damn sig \)
galen med virginia edu \( robert e schmieg \) subject deadly \? \? \? organization university virginia lines 35 kimbark uchicago edu writes friend insists ny quil deadly enough taken suggested something like 20 30 night time would someone normal user ny quil \) , checked hard time believing 250 g acetaminophen 30 mg hcl 10 mg 6 25 mg \( per \) someone settle bet \( package ny quil course \) effect would 20 30 babies \? acetaminophen agent concern overdose otc medication single dose acetaminophen 10 grams greater cause , doses 25 grams potentially fatal hepatic necrosis recall correctly , metabolism acetaminophen high doses involves n n , highly reactive intermediate , reacts groups proteins hepatic used , intermediate starts attacking hepatic proteins resulting hepatic necrosis part acetaminophen toxicity delay \( 2 4 days \) ingestion clinical signs liver damage nice way die taking 20 30 tablets , comes 5 7 5 grams acetaminophen normal adult , would probably cause nausea , vomiting , abdominal pain , loss appetite bob schmieg
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject combo propulsion system ! \? organization express access online communications usa lines 10 nntp posting host access digex net difficult would solar sail mission say mercury \? much 23 \? km delta v eat could solar sail , handle say bus , drop mercury orbit , good enough rockets put form polar orbit \? pat
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject wanting 3479p 's organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 14 anyone would low quantity little beasts \( 3479p \) motorola , please let know ! baden de bari baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca true life fear death
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject info colonics purification \? lines 68 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article 1993apr28 informix com , hartman informix com \( robert hartman \) writes article minerva cis yale edu wiesel elisha yale edu \( elisha wiesel \) writes recently 've come upon body literature promotes colon cleansing vital aid preventive medicine nutrition doubt sci med folks getting i'm rather certain information got medical literature accepted academic scientific journals , righteous among doubt jump also , insofar n't conform accepted medical presumption n't matter eat , think gi tract black box nothing ever goes wrong \( except maybe cancer ulcers \) , righteous doubt jump 'll ones call doctor raving quack , even though , like linus , lucid robust well nineties nevermind n't charge equipment supplies , since 're doubt approved fda course , fda approval md pharmaceutical company charge whatever get safe effective treatments nevermind either unfortunately , dared step sacred turf net medical discussion without without understanding righteous among make certain suitably denounced dismissing fool maybe somebody without huge chip shoulder send reasonable responses e mail 1 2 \) 1 2 \( oh yes , point years ago md thriving practice wealthy part silicon valley recommended take treatments clear skin condition \( office , might add \) although i'm sure 's conclusive , sure unusual prescription ! bacteria gut important colonic way improve gut function person almost unique mix bacteria gut diet affects mix use antibiotics diet change much better way alter players gut colonic cross contamination real problem treatment since equipment always cleaned well patient treatments dental drills little concerned hiv infection 've picked dentist uses chemical instruments \( much safer \) full sterile technique also used like practiced \( mask , gloves worn disposed patients \) visit costs 15 dollars standard customary fee pay pocket much higher fees drive away patients think good reason someone subject colonic flush procedure little , benefit , subject hepatitis , , parasitic disease even hiv ask someone might resort kind treatment \? could gi distress \? could distress due pathogenic organism \? could get organism equipment cleaned properly patients \? really want take risk \? food thought marty b
csympc scs leeds ac uk \( p \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university leeds , school computer studies lines 17 originator csympc article feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) writes article twalls ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk \( tim walls \) writes n't want run blasted windows every time want delete tree absolutely ludicrous load hog like delete files ! would like requiring crane change tyre car n't download som public domain exactly want shut \? sort thing included millions people n't access pd libraries networks \? people work around , n't mean something n't done remedy situation mark
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject xv problems lines 46 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes recent discussion xv 's problems held newsgroup text users xv might find interesting \( also minor ideas 24bit xv , e mail \) deleted space basically complaints xv 8 bit program making several modifications rgb sliders slow screen updates reverse order 1 \) try clicking auto apply box switch make mods click apply problem stated already solved look carefully 2 \) yes xv 8 bit program bug edit individual entries global colour changes crop , scale etc clearly program must save altered image else work would thrown away yes saves 8 bit images course ! xv import 24 bit images 8 bits handy facility , bug would suggest colour editing 24 bit file \? would group 'related' colours edit together \? global changes could done unless software different much complicated want colour editing 24 bit image , need much powerfull software readily available commercially lastly , jpeg compression algorithm applied image arbitrary bit depth , bug way saving disk space \) later , chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 80 article 15427 optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes 1 \) \? homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation also lie 10 keep politicians scared back proof , shut 2 \) interesting see reaction 2 5million queers gather washington dc 6million us event unprecidented history many people marching n't homosexuals , members leftist agenda , back statements shut article also contains numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well hmm tell , go mickey mouse school logic \? stated many homosexuals kinsey reported survey \( surveys kinsey institute since \) say reason many young people promiscuous homosexuals form large part group , homosexuals whose lives consist sex , gaps eating c using logic would seem suggest average gay men 2000 partners week ! try think arguments carefully , , like laugh every compared table already posted masters , johnson , kolodny showing male homosexual partners , apparent homosexual men dramatically promiscuous general male population study show number sexual contacts said homosexual \? number n't published hence argument cannot resolved using data next point , please 's shame n't breakdown straight men vs gay bi men would show even dramatically much promiscuous gay bi men fuck typical response depends premise three types behaviour gay , bi hetero yet proved see earlier post kinsey institute grading , although rough , seems logical also use would show , defining fact assumption , back statements shut clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
weber edu \( clarke whitehead \) subject borland c 3 1 w app forsale news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization weber state university lines 22 article 1993apr22 ryn dec com , shapiro sofbas enet dec com \( steve shapiro \) writes recently converted microsoft visual c longer want borland c 3 1 w application frameworks product version 6 months old manuals , disks \( 5 25 \) , etc licensed transfer license purchaser accepted terms borland license agreement list price product 750 seen advertised low 500 accept best offer 375 \( plus shipping described \) 1 2 list price , plus , i'm tossing 2 books listed \( 70 value \) 'll sell mine 200 b never used , 've decided n't time get c clarke w whitehead cc weber edu
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject 's shit \? \( amusing atheists \) organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 37 article shelley u washington edu jimh carson u washington edu \( james hogan \) writes various bill conners post , felt passive aggressive knock chip shoulder type approach meant attempts reasoned argument would wasted still think however , primitive responses \( , bronx cheers , sarcasm \) somewhat satisfying \( \) apologies anyone still thinks bobby performance artist ! \) , feed pointless , circular round ad hominem name calling witness precisely position newbie , tried point point approach debate types wasted time lifespan ignoring option , since n't go away , would leave one large stretches complete anonymity group 's left \? healthy flaming i'm sure occassion 've appeared little bobby types waste breath arguing someone whose rational though process involves system \? stand record recognizing people long rest group let 's see timmons character store us bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject feds caught another lie lines 39 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article 1993apr23 icd ab com , kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes well , 2 days hearing 3 bd bodies shot head \( horrors ! another jonestown ! crazed cultists ! child abusers ! waco ! \) , last night medical examiner tv pretty vehement denying bullet wounds seemed tad upset feds spread rumor \( aw , gee , n't hard 're practicing new principle flexible reality big boss implemented \) long , think kneejerk government apologists going start getting pretty pissed easily misled two notes interest texas tarrant \( autopsies \) well known rendering judgements contrary police view presented evidence years ago man police said pointing gun actually hands air bode well boys black texas dept public saftey texas rangers great love atf heard referred fucking cowboys dps totally squeezed bd operation left traffic cops atf two strikes finally \( guess makes three notes \) , rumour waco four atf agents stopped four waco police cars dps trooper one flashed automatic weapon cop lots pissed cops wonder cops really cheering atf dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 23 apr 93 god 's promise matthew 3 11 organization university buffalo lines 8 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu baptize water repentance come one powerful , whose fit carry baptize holy spirit fire matthew 3 11 \( niv \)
subject shaft drives wheelies stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 24 article 1993apr22 siemens co , siemens co \( mx crew \) wrote sorry stupid question , americans mean shaft drives dictionary knows strange meanings like , , , , , , shaft , beat , , burn \( flame \) , deceive , hoax , drive campaign , crusade , push , may campaign crusade , efforts true spirit list wheel revolution , swing revolutions cannot swing , either , therefore shaft drives cannot wheelies john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
ma201rs prism gatech edu \( shonkwiler r w \) subject scrollbar xterm keywords xterm , scrollbar organization georgia institute technology lines 10 possible get xterm scrollbar come right side instead left \? ron shonkwiler r w georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! allegra , amd , hplabs , seismo , ut ngp ! gatech ! prism ! ma201rs arpa ma201rs prism gatech edu
sail labs tek com \( arnie \) subject luser ! article sail organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 24 article 1993apr23 sol ctr columbia edu seema madvlsi columbia edu \( seema varma \) writes hi , looking high speed converter \( least 8 bits 150mhz \) testing chip ideas find monster \? paper january issue ieee journal solid state circuits \( authors philips eindhoven \) mentions , 8bits , gaas dac use testing , know circuits around somewhere \( beaverton , oregon \) , selling 8 bit , 1 ghz several years used works well , faster settling time smaller glitch area video seen also , developing precise version may sale 's somewhere 10 12 bit area 1 ghz arnold tektronix laboratories
gel cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) subject windows nt get beta organization socs mcgill university , montreal , canada lines 12 wondering anyone new could get beta version windows nt , part beta program thanks gel binkley cs mcgill ca p please reply e mail
graeme labtam labtam oz au \( graeme gill \) subject help need 24 bits viewer keywords 24 bit organization labtam australia pty ltd , melbourne , australia lines 10 article seti inria fr , deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) writes hi , i'm looking program able display 24 bits images using sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running x11 xli , xloadimage imagemagick export lcs mit edu 18 24 0 12 contrib graeme gill
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 22 distribution world nntp posting host tea eng umd edu article srvr1 engin umich edu chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) writes article utkvx utk edu ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) writes cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source yeah , probably included industries educational institutions uses mostly work stations \( suns , dec , ibm etc etc \) turns monitor left untouched 5 min none suns , , 've used turned monitor automatically matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
dcs ed ac uk \( george ross \) subject twm greyscale organization department computer science , edinburgh university lines 55 distributed , twm thinks everything three colormap cells must colour screen 's patch use screen 's visual class twm c dist wed may 12 14 56 55 1993 twm c wed may 12 15 47 53 1993 343 , 352 343 , 384 scr \( \( \( unsigned long \) 1 \) scr depth \) 1 ifdef \( \( dpy , \) 3 \) scr monochrome monochrome else scr monochrome color else xvisualinfo template xvisualinfo int nitems template visual \( dpy , \) template \( template visual \) template screen \( dpy , , template , nitems \) \( nitems 1 \) switch \( class \) case staticcolor case pseudocolor case truecolor case directcolor scr monochrome color break default scr monochrome monochrome break else \( void \) fprintf \( stderr , visual match \( es \) , assuming mono n , nitems \) scr monochrome monochrome assume endif setup default colors scr true george ross , department computer science , university edinburgh kings buildings , road , edinburgh , scotland , 3jz mail dcs ed ac uk voice 031 650 fax 031 667
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject waxes keywords color match , liquid glass organization megatest corporation distribution usa lines 26 article 1993apr27 magnus acs ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu \( bret \) writes spring upon us 's time start waxing wondering anyone suggestions waxes know wax often recommended net , wondering colored waxes cover minor scratches colored waxes give overall good quality shine \? good paint clear coat \? liquid glass , clear polish dries clear thus filling scratches \? good paint clear coat \? please post good bad experiences hey , let 's name names \( brands \) ! \) ! stick plain 'ol wax 's non eagle 1 , , turtle wax , others good examples colored waxes color scratches 're apparent better approach buff minor scratches completely cleaner mild never tried liquid glass , although still sample sent years back aaron
john gu uwa edu au \( john west \) subject atari 2600 processors organization university western australia lines 54 nntp posting host mackerel gu uwa edu au ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) writes article 1993apr21 599 das harvard edu squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) writes atari 2600 used 6502 cpu , like entire 8 bit line \( 400 , 800 , 1200 , 1400 , 1440 , 130xe , computers , well 5200 game machine \) wrong , 6507 would like know , 6507 6502 without irq nmi , 13 address lines \( giving 8k memory space \) one chip \( asic sense word understood \) tia \( sometimes known 6526 , although manufacturers list cia complex interface adapter \) tia stands television interface adapter , handles sound , paddles minimal video hardware 2600 possessed n't know called 6526 thats cia found commodore 64 \( n't believe chip existed 2600 around \) tia mapped bottom 128 bytes page 0 , shadowed bottom 128 bytes page 1 get image screen , wait raster line picture started , load bitmaps line registers , tell x positions take , many duplicates wanted , etc , next line took processor 's time visible portion display also standard ram , , timer \( riot \) , plus voltage regulator \( memory serves \) 555 timer 's ram mapped top 128 bytes page 0 , shadowed page 1 6502 zero page addressing mode instructions shorter faster normal ones , important machine like ram page 0 unfortunately , also wants stack page 1 \( stack pointer 8 bits , high byte address hardwired 1 \) section mapped page 2 somewhere 2 8 bit registers \( ca n't remember bit could independantly set like 6526 \) , 1 \( \? \) 8 \( \? \) bit timer programmable \( think power 2 \) interrupts system , many games would set timer known time , go away something else , sit wait timer run logic box address decoding riot least 2 chip select pins \( probably one active high , one active low \) , imagine tia much various address lines fed directly chip selects 6507 likes rom right top memory , 2600 use roms active high chip selects exactly normal , 7404 convert usual active low chip select john west
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject christian homosexuality \( part 1 2 \) lines 288 note breaking reply 2 parts due length mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes article may 11 02 36 34 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( someone named mark \) writes mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes homosexual christians indeed checked verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues see verses clearly address issues , exactly zero verses clearly address issues agree verses gone gay rights activists zero verses address issues , n't mean also verses clearly support case \? sure want say zero verses clearly address issues \? however , couple seem though require incredibly perverse interpretations order seen condemning homosexuality kind interpretation see incredibly perverse applied story sodom blanket equation homosexual behavior rape since christians citing bible context presumed least read story , amounts slander charge homosexuality rape use us story genesis 19 tells citizens sodom demanding opportunity know two men lot 's guests fact sodomites became angry lot offered daughters could seen indicating interested homosexual intercourse yes , wanted rape , homosexual rape , everybody agrees wrong christians believe homosexual aspect desire sinful rape aspect desire passage say offended god , whether homosexuality , intended rape , , believe fair consider possible alternatives light related scriptures believe believe god offended homosexuality rape trying say homosexuality form rape seems take view sin described gen 19 fact sodomites wanted commit rape , unfair homosexuality associating sin rape see might reach conclusion started conclusion nothing wrong homosexuality , 're supposed start conclusions 's circular reasoning god fact opposed homosexual intercourse general , probably interpretation least offended blatant homosexuality intent commit rape later document believe old testament god one homosexual intercourse , even partners consenting adults deceived neither fornicators , idolators , adulterers , effeminate , homosexuals , thieves , covetous , drunkards , revilers , swindlers , shall inherit kingdom god cor 6 9 11 moderator adequately discusses circularity use porneia moderator found proposal circular regarded church proper authority determining kinds marriages would legitimate , thus church 's refusal recognize perverted marriages circular reasoning questions , however , nothing church new kinds marriages , argument something straw man terms original question , precise definition translation porneia n't really important , unless trying argue bible n't really condemn extramarital sex i'm sure moderator trying case , think moderator missed point jesus asked divorce , replied , read , created beginning made male female , said , 'for cause man shall leave father mother shall wife two shall become one \? consequently longer two , one flesh therefore god joined together , let man separate \( mt 19 4 6 \) read sexual union man \( male \) wife \( female \) divinely ordained union words , institution heterosexual marriage something ordained established god men , church , god men supposed dissolve union , jesus' words , something created men circular reasoning , reading god 's word read bible god ordained union male female read similar divinely ordained union two males two females granted , men ordained alternative unions \( n't caligula reported married horse \? \) , union jesus refers god joined together heterosexual union man wife \( pardon mentioning caligula know 's probably inflammatory , save discussion bestiality , part 2 post please hold passing judgement read section reply \) anyway , original question whether translate porneia way condemns select kinds extramarital sex , question given heterosexual marriage union described bible divinely ordained , given biblical prohibition sex outside marriage , homosexual intercourse sinful \? course , see first need ask whether bible really condemns sex outside marriage seem trying argue certain kinds extramarital sex \( sins \) really wrong think agree \( paul \) kinds activity could named fornication theft would well deserve condemnation may may agree bounds categories , however fact argued suggests matter clear paul excellent interest making clear , leaving matters rather spirit led decisions , uncomfortable living readings dominated christian discussion areas alternatively , may definition terms porneia rest , paul 's day , would call faq e law , tutor appointed god lead us christ , spent sixteen centuries heads god 's people idea things like homosexual intercourse abominations deserved punishment death perhaps paul n't go detail porneia c 1600 years considered question dealt already perhaps reason god 's apostles prophets devote great deal time defining distinct , new testament sexuality intend significant changes sexuality already established law 'll discuss law homosexuality greater detail , wanted point new testament 's failure develop detailed new standard sexuality necessarily evidence god care sexual conduct especially 1600 years putting people death practicing homosexuality ! homosexual behavior different \( gay christians know \) adamant condemning rape heterosexual homosexual child molestation heterosexual homosexual even possibly harmless obsessive kinds sex heterosexual homosexual would stand condemned paul continuation chapter cite may mildly suggest paul letter want use perhaps good guide meaning \? 'i free anything , ' say yes , everything good doubt free anything , one let anything make free 1 cor 6 12 must god god commandment neither gay christian wishes break people indeed involved obsessively driven modes sexual behavior wrong \( though slightly less incendiary , 's secondary argument contingent \) equate homosexuality behavior equate rape god 's messengers define obsessively driven mode sexual behavior \? determine difference obsessive sexual behavior normal sex drives \? desire sinful sex obsessively driven mode behavior \? think see circular reasoning defined sinful \? obsessive makes obsessive \? fact person driven seek even though 's sinful obsessive desire society condemns \? , 's circular defined obsessive \? person wants even though society condemns society condemn \? obsessive seem trying limit bible 's condemnation porneia perverted sex acts , n't think really define perverted without falling exactly circularity accuse , , paul condemning declares fornicators shall enter heaven \? wo n't deal exegesis leviticus , except tangentially fundamentally , exhibiting circularity assumption know porneia means think misunderstood trying make argument technical definition porneia , raising issues sinfulness extramarital sex lack scriptural evidence homosexual counterpart divinely ordained union heterosexual couples plenty laws prohibiting sexual behavior found leviticus , christians ignore completely never even bother examine assume know ones moral ones ritual well , news anthropology course ritual clean vs categories awful lot societies \( , buried pretty deep \) cannot see ground distinguishing bits leviticus ritual law christian know feels applies us i'm dead serious people start going \( matter \) repulsive unnatural acts know , huh \? solid clue sort arbitrary cultural american prejudice eating insects please remember said discuss bestiality , part 2 basis , assuming conclusion , say law male male intercourse leviticus part ritual law \? glad asked would agree god condemns homosexual intercourse even among law moses , would show god 's condemnation homosexual acts goes beyond ritual law \? show scripture god punished homosexual behavior people law moses , would agree god 's definition homosexual intercourse abomination limited ritual law law \? 've private email discussion 7th day adventist subject sabbath , main point christian sabbath keeping requirement nowhere scripture god command gentiles rest sabbath , ever condemn gentiles failing rest sabbath illustrates difference universal requirements thou shalt kill , requirements merely part \( temporary , jews \) law moses , sabbath point trying make think classification homosexual intercourse abomination part temporary , jews law moses hand believe labelled god abomination gentiles well jews , punished guilty behavior death exile 's back genesis 15 , god promises give abraham land possession kinda hard , n't think \? verse 16 clue might unjust sounds seems god going takeover quite , iniquity yet complete remember , long ritual law iniquity committing , complete , would justify cast land killed \? go back look lev 18 verses 1 23 list variety sins , including child sacrifice , incest , homosexuality , bestiality beginning verse 24 , god starts saying , defile things things nations casting become defiled land become defiled , therefore visited punishment upon , land inhabitants whoever abominations , persons shall cut among people notice god says gentile nations \( ritual law moses \) punished defiled land committing abominations include incest , bestiality , homosexuality flip ahead two chapters lev 20 , find abominations listed , time god decrees death penalty anyone involved things , including , specifically , man lying another man one lies woman \( lv 20 13 \) upon , meaning god 's eyes , deserved die done things according lev 18 26 29 , even alien non jew among refrain practices , penalty cut god \? among people circumstances , believe would difficult support claim old testament god objected intended rape , homosexuality , sodom since god took trouble specifically list sex two consenting men one reasons wiping nations , \( homosexual rape , mind , plain , voluntary gay sex \) , 'd say god neutral subject homosexual behavior , even nothing mosaic covenant christians think parts leviticus law christians \( others even thought \) incumbent every case , handled merits determine pick one ignore another according ii tim 3 16 , scripture inspired god profitable teaching , , correction , training righteousness thus , believe even though gentile christians law , learn studying certain action defined sin violation law , sin law \( example , case sabbath keeping \) god reveals certain actions abominations even law , conclude god 's objection practice based whether person law , sinfulness act case homosexuality , homosexual intercourse defined god defiling abomination gentiles well jews , e law well thus , trying say gentile christians obligation keep part law , simply saying god referred homosexuality sin even obligated keep law , think appeal exemption law valid grounds legitimizing practice god declared abomination jew gentile \( continued part 2 \) mark
sichase csa3 lbl gov \( scott chase \) subject vandalizing sky organization lawrence berkeley laboratory berkeley , ca , usa lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host 128 3 254 198 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr28 aio jsc nasa gov , mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( keith mancus \) writes 's five weeks balloon anyone tell get , sure would like reply ! 've looking book ten year , never found \( note looking 200 collector 's item i'm hoping someone published modern times , either paperback hardcover i'm willing spend 50 get copy jules verne collector , tell though tough find , keep eyes open time books various bay area used book stores , every get lucky need n't know book store situation near jsc good bay area , good luck also excellent luck book fair comes sf every year , though prices 100 200 range 50 want spend guess find , wo n't need spend even much , since people n't care think paid 15 dust jacket less otherwise good condition copy , found one day small happened bought lot random books estate sale course , willing buy blind , put 2 advertisement 's newsletter \( exact title escapes moment \) five weeks balloon jules verne books someone sale somewhere , ab way find fact , would surprised n't get multiple offers sale course , takes fun hunting good luck scott new sig construction scott chase please patient sichase csa2 lbl gov thank
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject nature waco gas organization stratus computer , inc lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 icd ab com , kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes saw real interesting report cnn last night seems gas used banned international law military use however , president quick point exemptions law enforcement hmmm inhumane use war enemy , ok civilians whoa think twice , , unless want standards applied cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject jets canucks jets hold , win 5 4 nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 19 teemu selanne 3 goals , keith tkachuk one , luciano borsato scored rare jets shorthanded goal jets held beat canucks 5 4 , close series 2 1 trevor linden pavel bure two goals canucks losing cause selanne came two game goal scoring slump , scoring two powerplay goals , one nice breakaway pass darrin shannon hard work paid tonight jets , jets continue exhibit strong work effort , make series \( woofed last year 3 1 ai n't going 'll quietly happy solid performance \) daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
daniel u holbrook dh3q andrew cmu edu subject car ! \? organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 27 1993apr22 2550 ericsson se nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr22 2550 ericsson se bricklin car manufactured company started malcolm bricklin , , believe , canadian first one import subarus , later responsible importing , believe anyway , idea would really sell would sports car , one incorporating bunch innovative safety features bricklin built beasts , safety sports car remember early 70s movement among car makers design experimental safety cars , recognize general appearance bricklin big 'ol bumpers , etc anyone recall safety features \? engine american v 8 , ford think right personally , kinda like way look , remember old magazine articles , performance half bad choice colors , though , tended towards 1970s green highly visible , suppose delorean , hand , dog nice looking \( imo \) motor dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history standards n't like , others groucho
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject freedom u organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 16 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes virginia edu true founding father , thomas jefferson author bill rights , allowing freedom speach thomas jefferson rolling grave university making rules sex n't uva also hate crimes rule books \? adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject mac disks windows \? organization george washington university lines 17 article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) writes macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know well , ca n't say n't work inability read 800k mac disks sw problem rather , 's hardware pcs seen post program able read non 1 44mb mac disks , comes memory 's card , drop com port something n't remember specifics , tho peace , mickey
schnitzi eustis cs ucf edu \( mark schnitzius \) subject asimov stamp organization university central florida lines 18 battin cyclops iucf indiana edu \( laurence gene battin \) writes apart suggestion appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently , mention possible asimov commemorative stamp \? idea n't followed , anyone know needs done get happen \? think great idea start petition something \? i'm sure religious types would get due asimov 's atheism atheists stamps \? mark schnitzius schnitzi cs ucf edu university central florida
rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) subject disks copy protected organization eindhoven university technology lines 23 nntp posting host urc tue nl article uniwa uwa edu au tartarus uwa edu au \( andrew scott \) writes would expect cd rom software would even need copy protection program cd rom would fit onto hard drive , impossible average \( even average \) user write cd rom , copies software \( still work \) could never made hmmm think creative tsr , maybe disk swapping could used simulate files single disk would need disks though many programs cd rom fit harddisk , software big \( 're getting \) \) guido klemans internet rcstage1 urc tue nl valid 16 may 1993 carefully , say ones ' michelle
aurora alaska edu subject regular season 93 94 pool lines 29 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks came using final regular season stats 92 93 , find april 22 , 1993 edition usa today ! try see come 1 adam oates c bruins 145 pts 2 teemu selanne rw jets 136 pts 3 alexander mogilny rw sabres 131 pts 4 pavel bure rw canucks 116 pts 5 vincent damphousse lw canadians 106 pts 6 dave andreychuk lw 104 pts 7 phil housley rd jets 103 pts 8 paul coffey rd redwings 94 pts 9 sergei fedorov c redwings 94 pts 10 andy moog g bruins 86 pts 11 al rd 82 pts 12 patrick roy g canadians 76 pts 13 al macinnis ld flames 60 pts 14 dennis savard c canadians 59 pts 15 calle johansson ld capitals 50 pts 16 yuri khmylev lw sabres 41 pts 17 richard smehlik ld sabres 36 pts total points 1519 pts valuable player adam oates rookie year teemu selanne improved player vincent damphousse defenseman year phil housley goalie year patrick roy
badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) subject men get yeast infections \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution na lines 12 men get yeast infections \? spread \? kind symptoms \? ent doctor told uncommon wife get vaginal yeast infection husband takes antibiotics fact recently happened wife explanation antibiotics kill yeast 's competition , thrive increased yeast around penis spread infection intercourse 30 days , wife got yeast jay keller badboy netcom com
ccu umanitoba ca \( jean paul \) subject stats nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 8 hello , could someone tell could find faceoff stats 91 92 season later 92 93 \( think early get \) thanks lot jp
williams snoopy \( timothy williams \) subject viewing postscript files x windows organization night vision labs , ft , va lines 97 x disclaimer opinions expressed necessarily nntp posting host snoopy article polaris isi com kin isi com \( kin cho \) writes wonder anybody know x window based postscript file viewer runs sunos \( prefered \) , hpux , ibm aix reason i'm looking utility 've downloaded large postscript documents 'd like know useful \( long \) commiting printer potentially wasting 200 pages paper hogging printer 1 2 hour get ghostscript ghostview ghostview postscript previewer uses ghostscript ghostview readme ghostview x11 user interface ghostscript ghostview full function user interface ghostscript 2 4 brief list features ghostview known version adobe 's document structuring conventions page size automatically determined document structuring comments user able override values comments window size set bounding box encapsulated postscript figures default page size letter changed via xresources application defaults file a4 \( valid size \) european friends scrollbars appear necessary page orientation automatically determined document structuring comments user able override values comments ability view 4 orientations portrait , landscape , upside , \( rotate landscape direction \) ability preview supported visual \( preview gray scale color color monitor \) ability mark pages printing , saving \( good people printed 100 page document lost page 59 due printer jam \) popup zoom windows printer resolution \( 1 display dot 1 printer dot \) ghostview distribution includes ghostview widget people encouraged use programs ghostview 1 3 available via anonymous ftp prep ai mit edu pub gnu ghostview 1 3 tar z cs wisc edu pub ghostview 1 3 tar z ghostscript readme file describes version 2 4 1 ghostscript overview ghostscript ghostscript name set software provides interpreter ghostscript language , closely resembles postscript \( tm \) language set c procedures \( ghostscript library \) implement graphics capabilities appear primitive operations ghostscript language ghostscript language interpreter library written entirely c , assembly language accelerators ms dos platforms currently , ghostscript known run following platform families ibm pc compatibles ega , vga , supervga , compatible graphics ms dos 3 1 , 3 3 , 5 0 wide variety unix systems using x windows version 11 , release 3 , 4 , 5 , including sun 3 , sun 4 , sun 386i , sun sparcstation 1 generic 80386 machines running 386 ix h p 9000 300 9000 800 decstation 2100 3100 vax running ultrix sequent symmetry convex c1 c2 tektronix 4300 sgi iris indigo sun workstations \( sun 3 , sparc , sun 386i \) running sunview vax , vms x11r3 4 5 , gcc dec c compiler \( dec c compiler version 3 1 later required \) \( get ghostscript ftp site get ghostview \) tim williams com \( 703 \) 704 night vision electronic sensors dsn 654 rd nv \( williams \) fax \( 703 \) 704 ft , va e mail williams army mil
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject israel apartheid state nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 37 article m06 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 1993may10 pasteur berkeley edu adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) writes point converting another religion loose cultural identity , loose religious identification consider defining belonging nation claims right state based religious belief form racism part nation defined culture religion actually , atheist , fact like converting non jewish terms religion , still considered part jewish nation proud jewish culture giving importance jewish religion , even , proud jewish culture still convinced real god another one know anyone lost american nation changed god alberto , 've repeatedly misunderstood postings making exact point 've made several times different definition religion n't believe religious aspects judaism jew \( would confine judaism religion sense christianity \) , converting judaism , n't mean believing god judaism mean voluntarily removing jewish nation agnostic still consider jewish cultural heritage \( admit many religious jews would argue completely jewish lack faith , judaism religion dissent debate n't \? \) fact one opt become jewish simply converting judaism makes nation jewish people least racist open nation ! make point defining member jewish nation religion \( , say , religious belief \) racism come incorrect conclusion use different definition religion define law return define judaism adam schwartz
carlo merlin cvs rochester edu \( carlo \) subject quadra 950 marginal video \? summary sync problems multiple boards nntp posting host merlin cvs rochester edu organization university rochester , rochester ny lines 61 problem quadra 950 stumped couple techs sent us vendor , well us \) quadra ram , 2mb vram large disk \( think \) happens certain variable interval time video circuitry vertical sync quite apparent mac cpu still ok , problem really seems lie video circuitry , since still save documents , quit , even pull menus etc \( display scrolling lik crazy , 's pretty hard hit menu items \) original logic board replaced twice , problem occurring boards although occurrences varied first board problem every 1hr , often cache turned \( yes \) symptom obviously related video circuitry \( cache cpu right \? \) second board problem every 10 minutes \( keep , rather put original back \) , current board problem lot less often \( gone week without , twice within hour yesterday \) technicians come try figure seemed pretty sharp tried number sensible things \( previously tried anyway \) included swapping ram swapping vram swapping monitors \( 3 different 13 apple rgb 2 16 apple rgb \) swapping cables hd booting floppy sacrificing various small mammals facts put rasterops 32 nubus , problem fixed \( occur internal video video \) vendor cannot reproduce problem back shop boards exhibit lab apple said getting little bit pissed shipping us boards cannot find anything wrong , getting shipped back faulty according us speculations bet neither apple vendor tested boards much ram vram , may something finding hard reproduce problem \( though reproduce 4mb ram , probably red herring \) vendor 's representative blames claims walls metal interferes mac 's operation another 950 lab works like charm \( though 's exact spot \) please n't tell probably , want believe 's probably , since badges get past security entrance site anyone ideas \? please \? please email well posting cause seem spending lot time rebooting mac lately lot less time available read news ! \) thank advance carlo nasa ames research center carlo vision arc nasa gov carlo cvs rochester edu carlo white stanford edu always remember choice carlo vision arc nasa gov
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject volume nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 9 article 1993apr28 230749 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes p p clear something , n't think jews necessarily worse people generous andi thanks validation adam schwartz
bart splunge uucp \( barton \) subject oilers sale \? \? organization ashley , howland wood lines 16 yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) writes 's one mill oilers might move hamilton porklington get free deal given labour relations puck like , would sigh relief way w4e elements ! ! well , dave , would disagree satan could team , 'd happy long oilers stayed edmonton selfish , true n't want see oilers move , matter owner bart , bart splunge uucp ab ca
brad welch com \( brad welch \) subject clock speed lines 11 hello , new area read upgrades lc ii , modification make thing run faster ! performa 400 lc would homemade speed upgrade work \? \? thanks brad
b11 ingr com \( mark hall \) subject s3 video card different address keywords s3 video diamond addressing reply ingr ! b11 ! ! organization intergraph distribution usa lines 42 article austin ibm com , lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance hartmann \) writes article umcc umcc umich edu jon umcc umcc umich edu \( jon \) writes 'd like add second s3 based video card system anyone know company sells card coexist another one \? really need color text one monitor fast color graphics probably configurable address would 's worth \( n't confirmed \) , diamond tech rep told s3 based video cards use port addresses true , appears cannot use one s3 card system actually s3 based card market supports multiple adapters one system unfortunately , vl bus \( may isa version \? \) company called address phone number corp science park 1600 nw compton dr beaverton , \( 503 \) 690 1550 aware , high end card , capable 4mb vram , come cheap , personally seen two boards running dual screen windows 3 1 lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) yes , ' ' \( percent sign \) network address statements , comments , opinions , etc herein reflect author shall misconstrued ibm anyone else matter mark hall intergraph corporation huntsville , al b11 ingr com \( 205 \) 730
usc edu \( total stranger \) subject help 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 43 distribution world nntp posting host phakt usc edu hi , need help problem 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission car 5 speed manual since car bought new , shifting 2nd 3rd , unless slowly carefully , makes popping hitting sound dealer mitsubishi customer service \( reached 800 \) say normal car \? year ago , , stick shift handle got stuck attempting put reverse 1 shifter would budge clutch effect 2 front tires would budge , even clutch fully depressed 3 clutch released engine would die 4 assuming gear engaged shifter stuck , could make car move acted neutral \( except dying clutch released \) 5 finally able release shifter someone rock car back forth \( less inch \) , depressed clutch shifter 6 shifter acted normally happened , took dealer , checked clutch , k checked transmission , k exact problem couple months ago , last week dealer says nothing mitsubishi \( 800 \) says never heard problem , dealer could reproduce problem car three occurances , car parked head first garage , since front wheels stuck , car could towed dealer releasing shifter \( hence temporarily solving problem \) dealer , mitsubishi , refused send someone check car stuck know wrong transmission \( shifting 2nd 3rd \) , getting stuck random , ca n't get dealer fix need help mechanical problems , handle mitsubishi hints suggestions greatly appreciated , sorry bore long post thanks ,
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject cobra locks organization nec systems laboratory , inc distribution usa lines 33 article 1993apr21 hemlock cray com ant palm21 cray com \( tony jones \) writes steve bunis se southwest chicago \( doc webrider central sun com \) wrote posting alt best methods securing motorcycle got several responses referring cobra lock \( described \) anyone come across store carrying lock chicago area \? feedback someone used \? new yamaha cyclelok \? far new 's around almost long dirt photo motorcyclist , looks hardened steel kryptonite u lock , except folds five places seems extend far enough lock rear tire tube parking sign similar anyone experience , easy attack lock jointed sections \? one one old bikes worked fine i'm sure , rigid , cyclelok would yield instantly freeze break routine , 40 , ya want \? later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
pyr swan ac uk \( r b \) subject upon time organization university college lines 26 american european universities full angry young people \( tm \) wanted overthrow government , would n't think twice molotov cocktail national guard \( military police europe \) certainly , would bad form take anything system \( tm \) said face value end sixties begining seventies , i'm told young remember something wrong happened along way , i'm afraid maybe west became comfortable , maybe born late \( , disappointed youth today , ps 1 \) half smilies implied 2 \) difference lining 90 people wall executing , causing deaths negligence honestly hope witnessed latter say , alternative horrible contemplate 3 \) i'm sure abused children \( tm \) compound much safer pyr swan ac uk
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject traditional historical armenian fascism barbarism reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 78 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes five years ago karabakh voted overwhelmingly seperate azerbaijan , un enforcing \? mind compulsive liar works \? scenario genocide staged armenians 78 years ago x soviet armenia reenacted time azerbaijan remarkable similarities plots , perpetrators , underdogs stories survivors karabag massacre 69 year old nine telling twin grandchildren cut pieces front eyes told wo n't kill babies die front eyes '' 72 year old huseyin turkish village khojalu town blown two hours killing children babies mercilessly said turks , must die '' 28 year old gulsum huseyin bayonetted 3 year old daughter stomach front eyes '' stories lies \? eye witnesses day dreaming \? stories forged turkish journalists region \? nonsense claim clear writings british journalists , two days quoted sunday times article british reported events karabag even turkish journalists pictures pictures people bayonetted , whose eyes gouged , ears cut even armenian radio could n't claim lies saying exaggeration means ' happened situation bad reported perhaps village khojalu town destroyed 4 hours , instead 2 gulsum huseyin 's 3 year old daughter bayonetted chest instead stomach massacre clearly seen dimensions effects massacre karabag environs cannot reduced word western , led french newspapers , ability nothing complicity massacre yesterday gave samples le figaro yesterday 's print news real events karabag printed french tv channels subject considered related karabag ''the necessity protecting armenians azeri attacks '' age living termed human rights age lots organizations united nations csce \( conference security cooperation europe \) , rules , designed fight human rights violations international reactions must made international cooperation support everybody every organization claiming civilized could serious human rights violation right live levels barbarity cruelty \? cooperation \? reactions \? intellectuals , journalists , writers , tv stations certain western countries france fast claim leadership human rights \? \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com subject homosexuality issues christianity reply adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com organization gte govt systems , electronics def div lines 18 article may 13 02 29 39 1993 geneva rutgers edu , revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes course whole issue one may satan trying convince us know god may god trying \( god peter \) teach us something n't know god shows , every nation anyone fears right acceptable \( acts 10 34 35 \) revdak netcom com fine , one points entire discussion \( conservative , reformed christians could start argument n't idea homosexuality ok fairly new century \? support viable viewpoint century \? n't know \) n't believe homosexuality acceptable scripture quotation n't work us jeff adams
chrisb natinst com \( chris bartz \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization national instruments , austin , tx lines 21 nntp posting host eagle natinst com article bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite heating purposes weather texas everyone claims cooking stop think whole thread rediculous cares stove going matter stove burning , lanterns burning , candles burning , someone smoking , etc , etc , etc premise fbi filling house napalm would catch fire crazy fbi pumping napalm davidians home pretty damn strong evidence convince believe mass suicide murder koresh believe accident davidians believe accident fbi easily believe mass stupidity sides believe fbi lit fire intentionally way chris bartz \( chrisb natinst com \)
cup hp com \( dan \) subject dirty diesels \? distribution na nntp posting host cup hp com organization hewlett packard x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 31 nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions technology applying diesels comply newer ca emissions laws involves three things know 1 compliant diesels turbocharged 2 use , cools air heated compression turbocharger \( 25 psi \) 3 injector pump senses pressurized air intake , limits full delivery fuel pressure low scrubbers , catalytic converters , etc , used path turbocharger exhaust outlet kept free interestingly , except low pressure fuel limitation , power output mileage enhanced measures one buy aftermarket turbos generate power , lots power , approved carb dan
karl genesis mcs com \( karl denninger \) subject government intentions regarding organization mcsnet , chicago , il lines 16 distribution inet nntp posting host localhost mcs com article communications week \( april 12 's issue \) states definitively justice department trying revive wiretapping bill , also trying find way force key registration clipper obvious thrust exactly direction dorothy quoted communications week , april 12th , page 8 read get folks act lose fundamental right privacy clinton shown us interest abortion , right citizens secure papers effects karl denninger \( karl genesis mcs com \) never please everyone except data line 1 312 248 0900 live internet chicago mcsnet first !
indyvax iupui edu subject knights columbus lines 9 ceremony knights almost secretive mafia phases \? dale indyvax iupui edu
davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) summary switched erie insurance exchange distribution usa organization u maryland , dept computer science , coll pk , md 20742 lines 8 article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance got numerous complaints geico , several helpful pointers \( good \) insurance companies decided go erie insurance exchange , seems combine high ratings net consumer reports low rates \( least \) thanks responses
subject ignition problem manolo taf fundesco es \( manuel arrevola \) reply manolo taf fundesco es organization taf dept fundesco madrid nntp posting host taf fundesco es x newsreader tin 1 1 17 lines 17 snark bnr ca \( eric nelson \) writes 83 nighthawk two \( related \? \) problems ignition system wo n't start cold mornings \( 10 c , 50 f \) always need give gas starting , even using clutch still happens tune new battery , ideas could wrong bike \? think choke \( starter \) jet blocked even idle one manuel arrevola velasco e mail manolo taf fundesco es fundesco zx 11 calle , 61 dr 600 madrid dod 1033 tel 341 n't waste time , express
plumpe oasys dt navy mil \( david plumpe \) subject pink noise reply plumpe oasys dt navy mil \( david plumpe \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 18 sci electronics , wayne uva386 schools virginia edu \( tony wayne \) writes pink noise used sound experiments \? pink noise constant power per geometric frequency increment \( octave , 1 3 octave , etc \) thus 20khz octave amount noise power octave white noise constant power per arithmetic frequency increment \( hz , khz , etc \) thus 10 band amount noise power band \( bands 100hz wide \) pink noise made passing white noise thru octave filter \( usually network several rc pairs \) note ca n't get octave using half octave network \( pink noise commonly used audio power response measurements shows audio spectrum \( octave related bands \) flat line across bands
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject turkish genocide apology grants time travel dead ! summary beyond call lunacy organization p center regional studies lines 29 turkish genocide apology zuma uucp sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) read response article 1993apr26 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) wrote ep discussed , several people , net ep statement attributable either amin al husseini , former grand ep mufti jerusalem leader palestinian death squads ep 1948 war , one chief henchmen \( russia general dro \( butcher \) , architect turkish \( genocide wwi , working closely german secret \( service entered war zone men acquired \( important intelligence soviets experience \( turkish genocide x soviet armenia made invaluable \( source germans 2 fool ! true , wwi russian general dro must worked grave assist x soviet armenia soviet armenia became ex soviet armenia 1991 dro died 1958 ! dro would travel back time , dead , 1991 wwii help nazi germany ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu subject theists objectivity organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 65 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr25 1326 news unomaha edu trajan cwis unomaha edu \( stephen mcintyre \) writes theist truly objective \? impartial questioning truth scriptures , assume superstition parents questioning \? think theist truly objective throws notion god definitely exists starts scratch prove scriptures whole truth person would longer theist usually child brought time born , theist brought notion truth kind scripture bible , torah , qur'an , etc told wondrous god wrote \( inspired \) scripture , prophets talked scripture , miracles performed , etc also told question \( children apt \) sin , crime god , lose belief ture 's truth damn one 's soul hell thus , time able read scripture , belief truth ingrained mind seems matter course 're missing something people convert non theism theism brought non theist household \( n't statistics many though would interesting thing know \) think religion crutch people naturally afraid unknown unexplainable people n't want believe die , dead , finished nothing else religion kind nice fantasy religion also describes things n't know universe \( things science yet described \) also gives people feeling security one thing everything ok watched higher power high psychological attraction quite people people willing put discrepancies holes belief system gains think 's kind useless try hard convert theists atheism happy fantasy feel people happy \( ca n't accept fact people would rather accept harsh reality running \) anyway , i'm getting kind carried away point theism n't ingrained child 's mindset person grow theist \( although happens far often \) theism designed attractions atheist libertarian pro individuality pro responsibility jr jazz nanci know \( sure \) author quote , please send email \( nm0w andrew cmu edu \) one million , 7 half nyc
boi hp com \( wes fujii \) subject improvements automatic transmissions organization hewlett packard boise , idaho x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 24 shazad barlas \( jkjec westminster ac uk \) wrote auto , keep gear n gas stick gear 've never tried sure works screw \? 're bit debate 've known people leave rear ends pieces , especially reasonable power transmit good traction road surface 're better wes fujii real motor oldsmobile rocket 455 hurst new generation olds wes banzai fujii olds boise , idaho hpdmd48 boi hp com
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject cruel \( political atheists \? \) organization sgi lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes spent quite bit time wording constitution realise widely held belief america , fact clause cruel unusual punishments , like lot rest , lifted english bill rights wording elsewhere mean n't spend much time wording part posting deleted , pointed used wording english bill rights apparently changing understood , asked , two hundred years later , bound keith allan schneider thinks understood already looked dictionary define word n't sufficient \? since dictionary said lack mercy intent inflict injury grief counted cruel , sure people described cruel way , punishments cannot one cannot say cruel fate \? getting increasingly unconvincing , think jon
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate organization bell laboratories lines 29 article cmm 0 90 2 jon gode ifi uio , jon jon ifi uio writes person know , belonging research lab rivate company , claimed conversation , given equipment lab , could crack kerberos ticket 15 minutes hour access rather powerful des hardware , kind , believe attack possible amount known plaintext ticket , constitutes small message two years ago des longer usable encryption really sensitive data lot purposes , however , still adequate sounds awful lot like password , weakness des merritt pointed weakness kerberos paper came 2 5 years ago , computer communications review usenix matter , loudly discussed kerberos mailing list even earlier problem nothing whatsoever des , everything bad password selection i'm perfectly willing believe cryptanalytic attacks possible des i'm quite dubious private research labs know parameters brute force attack quite well established see , example , outerbridge paper july '91 cryptologia 're going hour powerful des 'll leave arithmetic exercise reader average , 'll need 2 55 trials pick parameters fast des engine runs , many engines used
asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) subject maxima chain wax organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 10 article 1993apr26 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes found great stuff clean chain spooge wheels 's called goo gone cleaned spooge rear wheel faster simple green cleaned bug guts headlight wonderful stuff recommend officially dod wonder spooge \( tm \) product think get head shops i'm kidding although seems appropriate selling simple green '86 \( erik asphaug \)
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject israel 's expansion organization artificial intelligence lab lines 10 dscomsa desy de 1993apr19 news columbia edu dscomsa desy de reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply hallam dscomsa desy de 's message 21 apr 93 03 28 21 gmt poor phill hallam baker getting worse , stratospheric typing skills longer keep spelling flame real sympathy knows sure official mossad policy n't stop get disneyland ! p 6 liter cars come europe , labeled either bmw , mercedes benz , rolls royce jaguar check guzzler tax price lists
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject viper car alarms organization university illinois urbana lines 48 batman bmd trw com writes article cs uiuc edu , cs uiuc edu \( ronald e garnett \) writes hello auto enthusiasts ! stuff deleted viper also sells fancy field disturbance sensor supposedly detects people car primarily convertibles convertible looked feature detail alpine actually makes better radar unit want get one zones shut independently one side car pedestrian traffic something else would trigger alarm , shuts zone , rather , pulls tighter n't see real benefit unless convertible leave top avoid voice alarm added radar package talks people walk saw one installed lotus esprit kids would taunt seeing close could get get back owner finally disabled , defeats purpose mind stuff deleted ron garnett stuff deleted merrill neighbor runs viper \( r \) installs saturns sold area \( anne county , md \) sc viper voice alarm installed alarm everything , turn car , radio , heater , roll windows , unlock doors alarm goes frequently hot days person walks gets sensitive 5 feet heat n't bad siren alarms , n't continue wail , says protected viper , please stand back ! shuts \( mainly person walks away ! ! ! \) chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject buy bios \? distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 29 04 21 93 04 51 , ikos unmitigated gall say ik i'm market upgrade bios phoenix 1 10 \( got new hard ik disk , discovered bios n't type 47 \) would like ik know purchase one things call phoenix put line replacement bios chips upgraded emerson 386 20 ide drive also , installing ide drive , bios setting total volume ide drive 's volume , try using ide drive usually respond variety different , long setting use equal smaller drive 's actual size controller necessary translation automatically , cases warning ! ! ! use bios setting even one byte larger actual size drive ! smaller setting harm drive , sorry go even one byte drive damage result , headaches ! backup found \( \) bort \( r \) etry \( p \) blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject welcome police state usa organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 18 nntp posting host tea eng umd edu article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? first , would n't gone davidians firearms violation object first place second , would n't executed search warrant via armed assault davidians sure third , would n't cut outside communication koresh certainly would n't gone tank time side since outside resupply , could wait indefinitely matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host prawn sp ph organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england lines 10 article efi com , efi com \( alan morgan \) writes article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes okay name one single effect kirlian photography gives ca n't explained corona discharge dozens funny postings sci image processing may one ata \( \)
davet interceptor cds tek com \( dave tharp cds \) subject looking movies w bikes organization tektronix colorado data systems , englewood , co lines 17 article dcs qmw ac uk davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) writes eat peach , two guys build wall death alleviate boredom , get mixed ira process excellent movie essentially motorcycles , look life rural ireland dave tharp dod 0751 ca n't wear davet interceptor cds tek com mra 151 indian scout , '88 k75s '48 indian chief ahrma 751 brother chief '75 r90s \( 151 \) '72 tr 2b \( 751 \) ama 524737 're built like rocks '65 r50 2 velorex '57 nsu max take knocks , 1936 bmw r12 \( compulsive 's harleys employer idea joiner \) give grief
st1ge rosie uh edu \( edward hui \) subject reason giants june \( giants fast start \) organization university houston lines 39 reply st1ge rosie uh edu nntp posting host rosie uh edu article 1993apr22 377 bnlux1 bnl gov , bnlux1 bnl gov \( kenton yee \) writes article 93111 psuvm psu edu psuvm psu edu writes giants 8 last 10 games behind solid pitching \( excluding 13 12 win atlanta \) stay around first place say first 50 games , think 've got legitimate chance winning pennant \( maybe even \) n't remember giants 1st place late june last year \? pitching collapsed problem \( \) 2 3 good starting pitchers \( swift , , \( ca n't remember name \) \) starters extremely unreliable often get blasted 4 innings means already shallow bullpen gets worked means months , bullpen collapses post star record tends much worst pre star record john , went 4 0 last night bargain pickup team , got minimum 5 thought someone lost pre post records giants last seasons \? bet records tends worst worst season goes really true excluding last season , giants better 2nd half team 1991 , hot august pull within games braves dodgers fading september giants may go back earth , fast last season two reasons \( 1 \) barry bonds \( 2 \) roger craig longer manager dusty manage pitching staffs much better craig edward hui
mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) subject new thought deuterocanonicals organization university illinois urbana lines 29 2 likely st john \( whomever \) wrote book revelation considered scripture thing holding hands ! revelation almost certainly written reign \( sp \? \) , 80 96 thus could argues sin accept 2 peter scripture , since added book composition revelation , told add nothing okay , went back looked sure enough , hunch right 2 peter likely written 100 120 revelation almost certainly written 80 96 odds gospel john written around 90 best dates luke acts around 80 , maybe later , information new american bible , best translation 've come across regards giving complete historical information book mike \) course folks 're arguing almost certainly accept 2 peter pseudonymous case 'd date far earlier clh
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject lexus infiniti organization delco electronics corp lines 19 article issa cwis issa cwis unomaha edu \( issa el \) writes n't numbers car names engine size liters \? e ls400 4 engine , sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe q45 4 \( similar , kinda , bmw mb deal \) issa funny , thought numbering scheme lexus infiniti related sticker price anything else , e infiniti g20 \( around 20k \) , q45 \( around \) , lexus \( rip \) \( around 25k \) , lexus es300 \( around 30k \) , etc conspiracy theory \? spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
fortmann superbowl und ac za \( paul fortmann pg \) subject praying justice organization university natal \( durban \) lines 650 recently came across article found interesting posted hear people feel issue realise rather long \( 12 pages wordperfect \) may well worth read except first page \( typed \) rest scanned omnipage f 's come 's visa versa tried correct much possible author peter hammond founder frontline fellowship , missionary organisation witnessing communist countries southern africa also made several visits many east european countries frontline fellowship news 1018 praying justice \( peter hammond \) involved christians suffering persecution imprecatory psalms tremendous source comfort us fighting right life , battling social evils pornography crime , beginning appreciate important weapon god entrusted us imprecatory psalms imprecatory psalms early christian walk encountered prayers judgement psalms quite loss know respond prayers break arm wicked evil men call account wickedness psalm 10 15 seem consistent gospel love accepted yet psalm 10 15 clearly motivated love god \( lord king ever ever nation perish land 10 16 , wicked man god \? 10 13 \) , love innocent suffer \( hear , lord , desire afflicted encourage , listen cry , defending oppressed , order man , earth , may 10 17 18 \) nevertheless , grew increasingly uncomfortable reading graphic prayers god judge wicked pour wrath let fierce anger overtake 64 24 lord , god , god , shine forth rise , judge earth , pay back proud deserve 95 1 2 break teeth mouths , god let vanish like water let arrows righteous glad , feet blood wicked men way , surely righteous still rewarded surely god judges earth ' 58 6 11 certainly wanted god honoured yes deeply prevalence evil could actually pray god pour wrath wicked \? scripture make clear prayers prayed selfish motives , personal enemies rather prayed christ , glory enemies psalmist describes targets devise injustice heart whose hands mete violence \( 58 2 \) boast evil disgrace eyes god tongue plots destruction , like razor , practise deceit love evil rather good , falsehood rather speaking truth 52 1 3 crush people widow alien murder 94 5 6 cunning people plot cherish 83 3 hate wrong destroy tell lies deceitful men lord 5 5 6 unrepentant enemies god psalmist declares surely god bring everlasting ruin 52 5 surely god crush heads enemies go sins 68 21 purpose prayers justice declared known ends earth god rules 59 13 proclaim powers god 68 34 kings bow nations serve 72 11 knows power anger \? wrath great fear due 90 11 yet despite fact 90 150 psalms include \( prayers invoking god 's righteous judgement upon wicked \) prayers rare average western church however , amongst persecuted churches prayers much common praying amidst burnt churches devastation marxist angola found survivors communist persecution including crippled maimed , orphans praying god strike wicked remove church shocked yet biblical \( even martyrs heaven pray long , sovereign lord , holy true , judge inhabitants earth avenge blood \? revelation 6 10 \) communist persecution angola neto described drunken , psychotic , marxist poet , neto installed troops first dictator angola boasted within 20 years wo n't bible church left angola christianity yet despite vicious wave church burning massacres christianity angola neto neto died mysterious circumstances operating table moscow romania learnt series remarkable incidents recorded god judging church answer prayer communist official ordered certain pastor arrested next day official died heart attack another communist party official ordered bibles district collected , turned toilet paper blasphemous project fact carried next day official medically examined , informed terminal cancer died shortly afterwards another occasion , communist official ordered baptist church demolished bulldozers died car crash next day order given dismantle place worship forest , flatly refused carry order gunpoint group gypsies also refused touch church desperation , communist police forced prisoners bayonet point dismantle structure yet officer charge pleaded local christians pray , god would judge nothing christians obeying strict orders building fact reconstructed later , used worship seized name lord jesus held high honour way word lord spread widely grew power acts 19 17 , 20 dictator ordered much persecution romania overthrown army executed christmas day , 1989 , shouts antichrist dead streets many testified answer prayers long suffering people romania another church challenged god machel , first dictator marxist mozambique machel ate human flesh witchcraft ceremonies 1960 's pledged soul satan vowed would destroy church turn mozambique first truly marxist state africa thousands churches mozambique closed confiscated , chained , burnt missionaries expelled , imprisoned first evangelism forbidden bibles burnt tens thousands christians , including many pastors elders , shipped concentration camps never seen month sudden death machel cursed god publicly challenged prove existence striking \( machel \) dead 19 october 1986 , several churches specifically praying god stop persecution mozambique , machel 's soviet aircraft crashed violent plane crashed 200 within south africa 's boundary mozambique amidst wreckage marxist plans government discovered published god judged , also saved country persecution months leading first multi party elections many churches prayed tor god remove 27 year socialist dictatorship kenneth done october 1991 \( man converted christ whilst imprisoned opposing \) elected president make christian country recorded history wicked mary , queen scots , declared tears afraid john knox 's prayers army ten thousand 3 april 1993 secretary general south african communist party chris hani shot dead unprecedented international wave condolences reported one could forgiven assuming man saint martyr certainly death resurrection christ jesus dominated thoughts headlines south africa easter , assassination chris hani stunning hypocrisy situation 20 135 people murdered south africa 1992 , yet collective concern anguish reported death head sa communist party thousands victims indeed sa government , international community mass media apparently greater sorrow reported one death 50 000 south africans murdered since 2nd february 1990 , pac ! yet member revolutionary council since 1973 , deputy commander \( mk \) 's military wing 1982 , chief staff mk 1987 , chris hani approved ordered bombings assassinations many unarmed civilians jesus warned live sword die sword matt 26 52 personally confronting hani terrorist activities press conference washington dc \( publicly declared support castro , col , yasser arafat saddam hussein defended placing car bombs mines public places struggle \) told christian , n't hate , hate communism praying god would either bring repentance salvation christ , god would remove responded swearing declaring atheist several people also prayed god would either bring hani repentance remove similarly several churches america begun pray imprecatory psalms unrepentant abortionists one town 8 abortionists struck , heart attacks , strokes , car accidents cancer , within months public prayers god stop killers babies praised god righteous acts judgement quoted justice done , brings joy righteous terror proverbs 21 15 others shocked christian could express satisfaction misfortune even blatantly wicked yet apostles prayed imprecatory prayers \( acts 13 8 12 galatians 1 8 9 2 tim 4 14 15 \) lord \( matt 11 20 24 \) attitude towards imprecatory psalms \? praying psalms \? tackle thorny issues would like present short summary excellent book , war psalms prince peace lessons imprecatory psalms james e adams , \( published presbyterian reformed publishing company \) lord jesus christ apostles used psalms constantly teaching men know god new testament \( nt \) quotes old testament \( ot \) 283 times 41 ot quotes nt psalms christ alluded psalms 50 times psalms prayer book bible 1 imprecatory psalms oracles god \? christian commentators theologians reject psalms , diabolical , church , god 's pronouncements wrath wicked prayers man vengeance enemies , opposite jesus' teaching love enemies yet 2 tim 3 16 17 declares scripture god breathed useful teaching , , correcting training righteousness , man god may thoroughly equipped every good work \( see also 2 peter 3 15 16 \) fact something word god beyond comprehension grounds denying even questioning inspiration make judge good evil take place god imagine god \? wrong ideas god led many become plastic surgeons made job clean god 's word according ideas proper forgotten god alone must determine christianity suitable church essence many done question authority god 's word \( like eve 's original sin listening satan 's question yes , hath god said \? \) psalms part god 's revelation attributes , reaffirmed nt authoritative word god imprecatory psalms evangelical plastic surgeons reject unworthy church psalms christ used testify \( eg mark 12 36 matt 22 43 44 \) apostles used authoritative scripture \( eg acts 1 16 20 acts 4 25 heb 4 7 \) see also 2 samuel 23 1 2 ch said concerning imprecatory psalms , \( especially ps 109 \) truly one hard places scripture , passage soul read , yet sit judgement upon , bow ear lord would speak us therein rejection part god 's word rejection word , god 2 praying psalms \? christ quoted psalms merely prophesy actually spoke psalms words psalms occupied enormous place life lord used prayer book song book synagogue last supper cross christ quoted psalms ancient authority adapted use , words words lord 's anointed david 's son truly father , hands commit spirit ps 31 5 god , god , forsaken \? ps 22 1 ministry christ say judge day judgement , quotes psalms ! matt 7 23 tell plainly , 'i never knew away , ps 6 8 heb 10 5 apostle attributes ps 40 6 8 directly christ although nowhere gospels christ recorded said words similarly hebrews 2 12 attributes ps 22 22 directly christ despite record spoken words earth clearly apostles believed christ speaking psalms christ came establish kingdom extend mercy earth let us never forget jesus come execute judgement wicked david anointed king chosen people god prototype jesus christ acts 2 30 therefore prophet , spoke resurrection christ david witness christ office , lite , words words david spoke , future messiah spoke prayers david prayed also christ better christ prayed psalms forerunner david imprecatory psalms expressions infinite justice god , indignation wrong , compassion 3 psalms repentance \? christ also lamb god , sacrifice sins christ day crucifixion charged sin people appropriated debts made responsible lord substitution sinner took sinners place \( isaiah 53 \) god made sin sin us , might become righteousness god 2 cor 5 21 history psalms , especially imprecatory psalms , understood prayers christ st augustine , jerome , ambrose , tertullian , luther many others psalms voice christ christ praying imprecatory psalms ! psalms messianic lord jesus christ praying prayers vengeance right righteous king peace ask god destroy enemies prayers signal alarm still enemies king jesus prayers answered ! god 's word revealed upon oppose christ anyone rejects god 's way forgiveness cross christ bear dreadful curses god prays psalm 69 23 28 one day make prayer reality declares left depart cursed eternal fire prepared devil angels matt 25 41 enemies lord need hear psalms god 's kingdom war powers evil tall god alone reign forever ! justice judges makes war mouth comes sharp sword strike nations rule iron sceptre fury wrath god almighty king kings lord lords rev 19 15 4 jesus' prayers contradictory \? jesus' command love enemies bless curse us \( matt 5 44 \) \? christ course loving merciful saviour sin also awesome judge coming judgement disobey gospel god pay back trouble trouble give relief troubled happen lord jesus revealed heaven blazing fire powerful angels punish obey gospel lord jesus punished everlasting destruction shut presence lord majesty power day comes glorified holy people among au believed 2 thess 1 6 10 jesus power earth forgive sins , power earth execute judgement upon enemies psalms see vengeance love ot god even n gospels see woe , hypocrites blind guides blind fools full greed self indulgence whitewashed snakes ! ! escape condemned hell \? matt 23 matt 26 23 24 christ quotes ps 69 109 refer betrayal judas also need acknowledge christ 's prayers blessing john 17 6 9 clear christ praying elect god obeyed word accepted god 's word believed \( see luke 10 8 16 reject message god 's kingdom judged \) 5 may pray imprecatory psalms \? martin luther pointed one prays hallowed thy name , thy kingdom come , thy done must put opposition one pile say , disgrace upon every name every kingdom may ruined torn apart may schemes wisdom plans run pray tor extension god 's kingdom solicit destruction kingdoms , eg dan 2 44 god heaven set kingdom never destroyed crush kingdoms bring end , endure forever advance victory church means defeat retreat kingdom darkness life death struggle two kingdoms church cannot exclude hatred tor satan 's kingdom love god 's kingdom god 's kingdom cannot come without satan 's kingdom destroyed god 's cannot done earth without destruction evil glory god demands destruction evil instead influenced insists upon assumed , really non existent , rights man focus instead upon rights god note psalm 83 psalmist prays plot together god people cover faces shame men seek name lord , sisera river , perished endor became like refuse ground story sisera book judges \( chapter 4 5 \) provides vivid example god 's judgement wicked sisera cruelly oppressed israelites twenty years cried lord help judges 4 3 response prayers lord routed sisera army sword , sisera abandoned chariot fled foot troops sisera fell sword man left judges 4 15 16 account goes describe sisera escaped tent false sense safety drove tent peg temple hammer song victory deborah barak celebrated crushing head sisera graphic detail \( judges 5 25 27 \) psalm 83 god enemies sisera 6 blessings obedience curse disobedience imprecatory psalms fully consistent law god carefully follow words law , written book , revere glorious awesome name lord god lord send fearful plagues descendants bring upon diseases egypt dreaded , cling lord also bring every kind sickness disaster recorded book law destroyed obey lord god please ruin destroy land entering possess deuteronomy 28 58 63 covenant god made people included curses disobedience well blessings obedience deuteronomy 27 records formal giving receiving covenant terms awesome account shall people israel loud voice cursed man image casts idol thing lord , work craftsman 's hands sets secret people shall say , amen ! cursed man father mother cursed man moves neighbour 's boundary stone cursed man leads blind astray roads cursed man justice alien , widow cursed man kills neighbour secretly cursed man accepts bribe kill innocent person cursed man uphold words law carrying people shall say , amen ! deut 27 14 26 new testament confirms inevitable consequence rejecting christ curse anyone love lord curse 1 corinthians 16 22 \( see also romans 12 19 21 hebrews 1 1 3 3 7 12 3 1519 10 26 31 12 14 29 \) 7 preach prayers \? church jesus christ army orders scripture constitutes official dispatch commander chief problem called pass orders others refusing expect united , effective army \? wonder troops lost sight commission demolish kingdom darkness \? church hear battle cries captain , follow onto battlefield \? pastors commissioned pass orders church 's commander , never withholding changing words one whose job carry troops wartime would face certain severe punishment dared amend general 's orders pastor 's charge greater importance courier earthly army 's place tor decide n't agree commander 's strategy jesus christ sent seventy two disciples preaching mission , told proclaim coming god 's kingdom \( lk 10 9 \) , announce people must submit god 's rule lives jesus instructed pray peace house approach , assuring anyone rejected , peace would return disciples \( verse 5 \) must consider said message rejected , persisted rebellion god 's rule enter town welcomed , go say , dust town sticks feet wipe yet sure kingdom god near ' luke 10 11 would result denunciation \? tell , day sodom god sent fire heaven judgement wickedness town \( verse 12 \) immediately jesus added curses , , tor rejection message \( verses 13 15 \) explained disciples great authority given listens listens rejects rejects rejects rejects sent \( verse 16 \) fundamental basis tor calling god 's curses anyone persistent rebellion god 's authority expressed law ministry servants need clearly forcefully proclaim war cries prince peace church awake lethargy enter battle tail pass battle cry lack urgency confusion ranks inevitable like psalm 1 preaching needs clearly show blessings obedience curse disobedience eternal truth god cannot mocked whatever man shall reap \( galatians 6 7 \) curses pronounced disobedience deut 28 47 53 fulfilled detail samaria \( 2 kings 6 2 29 \) judea \( ad 70 \) wrath god upon covenant breakers real psalms jesus christ psalms includes us lord jesus enemies , individually , lord church psalms ot christ prophet , priest , king record christ 's march victory kingdom darkness christ author psalms , , , final covenant based god answer psalmist 's prayers completely jesus christ final day judgment earth jesus day say enemies mine want king bring kill front luke 19 27 fatal end everyone refuses acknowledge obey jesus king lord hearing war psalms prince peace remind people god 's kingdom war ! kingdom darkness overcome kingdom jesus christ , war local congregation believers plays vital part must rally battalion put whole armour god , including sword spirit , word god eph 6 17 battle readiness also involves pray \( ing \) spirit occasions kinds prayers requests n eph 6 18 christ teaches army pray utter destruction enemies god psalmist pour wrath nations acknowledge , kingdoms call name ps 79 6 deal real hurts injustices world necessary us pray god 's justice persecuted need comfort prayers let saints rejoice honour sing joy may praise god mouths double edged sword hands , inflict vengeance nations punishment peoples , bind kings , nobles iron , carry sentences written glory saints praise lord ps 149 5 9 prayer , fact , spiritual warfare one weapon prayer conversion spiritual enemies another prayer judgement finally refuse converted army god refuse use great weapons given us times part task people nf god destroy evil guilty sword , neglecting undermining psalms , repent sin , sword anew , go forth battle name glory jesus knowledge lord cover earth waters cover sea hab 2 14 full book war psalms prince peace available , , frontline fellowship , po box 74 , rsa permission reproduce wishing reproduce 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wagner grace math uh edu \( david wagner \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization uh dept math lines 84 michael michael siemon mls panix com writes michael kind interpretation see incredibly perverse michael applied story sodom blanket michael equation homosexual behavior rape since christians michael citing bible context presumed michael least read story , amounts slander charge michael homosexuality rape use us michael michael wrong \( though slightly less incendiary , 's michael secondary argument contingent \) equate michael homosexuality behavior equate michael rape god 's messengers let 's review sodom gomorrah story briefly states clearly visitors angels men every part city sodom young old surrounded house called lot , men came tonight \? bring us sex ' rest story angels referred men sodom lot men furthermore know gen 18 20 , 21 lord already found sodom guilty sin angels visited city clear sin sodom gomorrah involved homosexual sex appears men become inflamed lust group public square simply indicates show lesser degrees homosexuality sinful , michael would us believe ultimately understanding god 's sexuality comes creation story solely story sodom gomorrah created us male female , instituted marriage relationship one male one female , therefore man leave father mother , united wife , become one flesh marriage relationship sexual relationship god blesses sanctions protects marriage man woman , even uses picture relationship church find one word blessing regulation sexual relationship two men , two women everything else find bible sexuality derives expresses god 's blessing marriage thus levitical code , given jews , forbade incest , homosexuality , bestiality ten commandments forbade adultery neighbor 's wife commandments forbade rape men sodom gomorrah regarded sexually immoral perverse \( jude 7 \) abandoned polluted marriage relationship thus also paul regarded homosexuality , romans 1 26 , 27 simply paul 's opinion , contrary god 's purpose creating us male female michael christians , doubt sincere ones , keep showing michael every corner usenet world , michael ever spout old verses \( obviously michael never thought , maybe never even read \) , total michael ignorance issues raised , slandering us vilest michael charges child abuse whatever minds michael manage conjure , tossing red herrings \( michael suppose \) great emotional force cause readers dismiss michael witness without even taking trouble find michael really , better response slander \? david h wagner day surely drawing near confessional lutheran god 's son , annointed , shall great majesty appear judge appointed laughter shall cease flames flames still increase scripture truly es ist der zeit v 1 ,
tlaloc sw stratus com \( michael \) subject sale 1990 pontiac grand prix se organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 48 distribution usa nntp posting host tlaloc sw stratus com sale 1990 pontiac grand prix se 2 door coupe , white , white rims , gray interior miles \( mostly highway \) , 3 1 litre v6 multi port fuel injected engine , 5 speed manual transmission one owner options include c , rear , power steering , power brakes , power windows , power locks , power mirrors , cruise control , power glass moonroof sunshade , power seat \( driver 's \) , power seat comfort lumbar headrest \( front seats \) , trunk pass \( skis \) fm cassette \( 6 speakers \) , electronic monitor service system graphic compass , stereo controls duplicated steering wheel , remote keyless entry , others asking 11 , 500 car looks rides like rolled dealers lot garaged pampered gets average 27 5 mpg highway , sometimes better city around 19 23 mpg , depending driven selling baby coming soon need 4 door family car consider trade partial trade ford taurus , mercury sable , 4 door pontiac grand similar american car live boston , area contact mike home \( 508 \) 881 , work \( 508 \) 490 , tlaloc sw stratus com
kub nl \( tilburg , remco \) subject cgm viewer wanted organization tilburg university , tilburg , netherlands nntp posting host reply kub nl news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 7 i'm currently looking viewer computer graphics metafile \( cgm \) pictures please inform shareware freeware version , remco kub nl
graeme labtam labtam oz au \( graeme gill \) subject povray tga rle organization labtam australia pty ltd , melbourne , australia lines 20 article pageboy cs utexas edu , jhpark cs utexas edu \( park \) writes hello , problem converting tga file \( generated povray \) rle file convert , get warning message use xloadimage getx11 , something wrong error messages , rle data tga xloadimage rle rle 0x0 24 bit rle image map \( dither 8 bits \) , gamma 1 00 dithering image done building ximage done xloadimage x error \( integer parameter range operation \) 0x0 xloadimage x error badwindow \( invalid window parameter \) happens x server run memory need memory need quit un neccessary running clients graeme gill
jeffj cbnewsm cb att com \( jeffrey n jones \) subject spice xt co \? organization distribution usa lines 10 want run spice xt learn amplifiers version run xt math co , get \? thanks help ! jeff jeff jones oppose north american free trade agreement ! jeffj seeker com canada usa free trade cost canada 400 , 000 jobs bbs 415 778 want guess many 'll lose mexico \?
filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) subject flyers without eric reply filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) organization university pennsylvania lines 65 nntp posting host staff dccs upenn edu article 1993apr20 btree uucp , terry btree uucp \( terry \) writes path netnews upenn edu ! newsserver jvnc net ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! news se uci edu ! network ucsd edu ! btree ! terry terry btree uucp \( terry \) newsgroups rec sport hockey subject flyers without eric message id 1993apr20 btree uucp date 20 apr 93 21 11 24 gmt references 1993apr19 ns1 cc lehigh edu organization corporation lines 47 article 1993apr19 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( kevin \) writes philadelphia inquirer posted following stats lindros 29 23 9 goals average 3 49 goals scored average 4 27 without lindros 7 14 2 goals average 3 92 goals scored average 2 52 think difference obvious he's dominant player skip yes ! become major franchise player bring flyers cup 6 7 years name lindros captain next year recchi geoff
ferch ucs ubc ca \( les ferch \) subject get power cord plug non apple monitor quadra power supply \? organization university british columbia lines 20 nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca senator bedfellow mit edu thewho athena mit edu \( derek fong \) writes extension cord type cable buy allows plug existing power cord plug extension cable quadra \? two approaches 1 power cord kind back monitor \( common \) get replacement power cord go monitor back computer 2 get connects plug end existing power cord provides proper end plugs back computer cost \( aprox 5 \) available many computer stores \( clone dealers usually better things good prices \) power cords standard , n't go looking special thing mac store
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject new study gay percentage organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 12 article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes clayton cramer going stop lying admit whole crusade based personal hatred , fear , obsession \? need help , mr cramer saddest thing people , like cramer 's wife , learn dislike homosexuality early childhood clayton , however , , let wife sucker issue , full grown adult
galvint cs nps navy mil \( thomas galvin \) subject camera work televised games organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca distribution rec lines 27 article 1993apr22 vax5 cit cornell edu vax5 cit cornell edu writes camera work games really sad \? \? ca n't remember many times penguins devils game showed guy \( without puck \) checked corner puck fired goal fact , think even missed one goal completely showing two guys holding corner last time watched football game , n't show going running back turned corner \? \? greg espn trying various things get away follow puck concept hockey games one main problems hockey difficult show everything going happens away puck sport except maybe football iso 's football players shown plays problem course sometimes get something worthwhile , times get burned tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
cus cam ac uk \( nick \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? nntp posting host bootes cus cam ac uk organization u cambridge , england lines 39 article early bird think com barmar think com \( barry margolin \) writes article 1993may18 taylor uucp mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes stuck distributed system feedback loop ! xterminal running xterm net another machine \? load problems occur machine 20 xterminals attached blinking cursors xterm 's , could represent considerable ethernet bandwidth waste ethernet certainly enough bandwidth blinking cursors lisp machine cursor twice second updates time status line every second uses 1k bytes second , 1 bandwidth ethernet hundred single ethernet might problem , couple dozen fine bandwidth unlikely problem , except wet string network one major flaws x horrendous number transactions \( hence process switches \) forces upon host actual measurements \( hourly average \) 5 per second per logged user , lead 20 50 process switches \( depending whether event filtered window manager well applications many processes needed character \) blinking cursor needs application networking process , add transactions , add something like 10 process switches per second per user significant increase overhead , especially application may quite large working set want rapidly blinking cursor , could many 50 want go , would n't start ! nick university cambridge computer laboratory , new museums site , street , cambridge cb2 , england email cus cam ac uk tel 44 223 fax 44 223
radian natinst com \( mark \) subject rfd misc taoism nntp posting host zippy radian com organization n b lines 16 article 1993apr22 coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu \( jack coyote \) writes sunlight shining ocean universe , mirrored puddle aleph null bottles beer wall , aleph null bottles beer ! take one , pass around aleph null bottles beer wall ! n't amazing always seems another bottle \? aleph one bottles beer wall , aleph one null bottles beer ! , , puddle , mark
bcash crchh410 nosubdomain nodomain \( brian cash \) subject room metaphor \? nntp posting host crchh410 organization bell northern research lines 7 \( \) take religious writings metaphor life sorts fiction , deep space nine idea limit one book , screen good stuff read , remember story sound \) brian
stafford lobby ti com \( ron stafford \) subject warning \( please read \) keywords brick , truck , danger lines 61 nntp posting host 192 153 237 26 organization article 1993apr22 morgan com sergei morgan com \( sergei \) writes sergei morgan com \( sergei \) subject warning \( please read \) keywords brick , truck , danger date thu , 22 apr 1993 13 39 56 gmt article 1993apr20 voodoo ca boeing com , tomm hank ca boeing com \( tom mackey \) writes article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com \( neil williams \) writes reformatory juviniles blocks away caught 14 year old put cover overpass , else could \? execute grounds reformatory , required rest inmates , soon possible incident quick sure trial quite serious cause effect nothing else ever make dent work hitler youth , newark teenager car stealing , student riots similar cases show death behaviour shaping even intimidating factor teenagers teens defy death strong teens executed wo n't ! policy cuts way repeat offenders please flame n't agree capital punishment teen 's far rock throwing concerned well , sad tragic incidents stem fact kids dumb , even smarter ones completely lack deductive thinking ca n't consequences actions beyond immediate ones unfortunately , cars 80 mph make explosive mix also unsupervised proper supervision , would throwing rocks parents cannot provide minimal supervision needed stop activity , allowed children \) notice smiley \) however , hardly believe intent kill cases , rather desire see glass \( admit mercilessly attacking moscow busses slingshot tender years \) , akin child breaking toys witnessed several even projects like stacking bricks railroad track technical details venture completely dominate possibility human \( heck , 10 , vague concept human \) mind i'm quite sure technical challenge matching predicting speed thrown stone gets car smack windshield completely occupies teen , leaving much room considerations sergei ron stafford texas instruments incorporated \( 214 \) 917 2050 p box , ms stafford lobby ti com dallas , texas
ethan cs columbia edu \( ethan solomita \) subject desqview x tcp ip reliable \? implemented \? organization columbia university department computer science lines 18 three q 's 1 \) reliable \? 2 \) send information ms windows app x11 protocol \? draw everything graphics one window , use multiple windows essentially work cleverly \? 3 \) want run ms word , example , remotely , run separate copy ms windows remotely , start ms word , ms word started remotely \? thanks lot ! ethan
joec hilbert cyprs rain com \( joe cipale \) subject old predictions laugh organization cypress semi , beaverton lines 23 article spot colorado edu spot colorado edu \( \) writes prediction red sox cubs series broncos occur end world , one officially end world \? \) see end ws well folks , bottom ninth bases loaded full count sandberg 1 1 game clemens winds , heres pitch swung line drive center zupcic moves left 's joec cyprs rain com warning elvis hazardous joec ursula ee pdx edu health sure wo n't help reputation bike , therefore ! go red sox ! go celtics ! go ! go !
gabi technion ac il \( gabi \) subject wanted interactive gui builder x motif organization technion institute technology lines 11 hi , i'm looking tools make x programming easy would like tool enable create x motif gui currently i'm working sgi forms package enables create gui coding \( callbacks \) help appreciated thanks gabi
subject hp laser jet 4l windows ch organization university geneva , switzerland lines 4 anybody chance find new hp laser jet 4l behaves windows \? daniel
j david w reeves dartmouth edu \( j david w reeves \) subject new powerbooks \? x posted internews1 newshost dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 10 used hate people posted messages like , contemplating purchase , see , anyone heard upcoming \( within next 6 months \) advances powerbook line \? expect see powerpc powerbook point future \( assume 040 would take much power generate much heat installation powerbook \) \? thanks help
jrm gnv ifas ufl edu subject batf fbi right thing waco lines 44 everyone complaining debacle waco hard understand angst happend nothing less wanted happen sour grapes \? batf looking propaganda event counteract impending budget cuts attendance press initial big commando raid proof would ever easier grab koresh central followers shopped waco alas , propaganda value fbi screwed big time , time never allowed situation drag like quick second assault , bds could decide strategy , would better plan bds biggest screw ups though imagined us law us law enforcement jurisdiction within little wrong ! right whatsoever fire batf , mistook identity initially , surrendered realize bds problem warrants , take court , like rest us wanted full auto weapons , could obtained proper permits , like rest us would need may decide us law applies get chance like rest us voting booth batf fbi become latter day gestapo , become way desired get vote laws , lawmakers choices years , approved creation form batf fbi fbi chasing , general public n't seem mind bit extra constitutional activity batf raiding militant black organizations , n't mind heavy hand fbi around rights , public n't mind suddenly , see bit current agencies , get bent shape suprise ! reap waco encapsulation american experience religious fanaticism , thinking overwhelming violence n't blame 'them' , fbi batf acting within parameters set years made 'them' 'them' jim mason
donald wendel yob sccsi com \( donald wendel \) subject compilation problems distribution world organization ye olde bailey bbs houston , tx 713 520 1569 reply donald wendel yob sccsi com \( donald wendel \) lines 54 aw 85 caprice classic 120k miles finally reached threshold total number mechanical problems forced post \) anyone might able give pointers one , please e mail post ! aw 1 making turns , especially accelerating , usually loud thunk rear car sounds like could differential wheel bearing , aw 2 starting car , get blue \( oil \) smoke exhaust 5 10 seconds exhaust valves bad valve stem seals aw 3 brakes pedal travel feel comfortable , master cylinder full fluid worn pads , rear brakes adjusted tight worn drums 90 low pedal complaints usually rear brake problem aw 4 tranny tranny problems seem slowly getting worse takes almost 2 seconds downshift 3rd 2nd heavy throttle application , recently , reluctant shift 2nd 3rd fluid \( checked car running tranny put gears back park , per haynes manual \) red clear , full mark possible valve equipped one also could cable aw 5 springs around shot 4 new shocks , car still skips bumps turns moderate high speed hard change \? reconditioned \? difficult front easy rear expensive 75 100 front less 50 rear also kind dangerous work front springs without proper equipment slmr 2 1a put spot remover dog spots gone ! ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 \( v 32bis \) 713 520 9566 \( v 32bis \) houston , texas yob sccsi com home alt cosuard
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject new encryption algorithm lines 38 article 5v5 chinet chi il us , schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) writes unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace senior nsa scientist cambridge one workshops recently \( fact clipper announcement made , n't learn till 'd gone \) said point forbidden law monitor conversations us nationals \( chap precise choice words \) n't expect 'd qualms monitoring domestic us conversation one parties alien however got thinking navajo code imagine , iraqi mission new york \? iraqi foreign ministry baghdad , hussein , us citizen , social security number , indeed , new york mission , mustafa speaking , also us citizen , social security number , report activities satan ross one easy , conversation , call fbi secret service see activities satan clinton could construed threat president united states sure \( nsa , fbi , ss , , \) enough judges collective pockets warrent call jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization partnership america free drug lines 18 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes well , explains government real need spy people already love big brother 's people inclined talk back need watched though think overstatement , contain grain truth 's drug dealers , spies , terrorists , organized crime figures \( assuming enough probable cause convince judge \) need watched , law abiding citizens thus , cointelpro , horrible people threatened republic disagreeing government systematically kept track years perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
coutsoft cheshire oxy edu \( michael coutsoftides \) subject 386dx 20mhz motherboard sale organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa lines 1
alleg edu \( jonathan \) subject lemieux 's getting hart jeez hope ! organization allegheny college article 22apr93 02956996 0062 unbvm1 csd unb ca patrick walker f1hh unb ca writes get hart \? gretzky , million years least year n't played year yzerman , though would nice , n't think 'll get , 's consistent , well known \( thought ! \) mario jesus ! 's bad enough utter word without extremely sick pissed guy 's ramble see hate mario pat walker unb i'm going bother pathetic excuse post mario fan , respect blade hart trophy , guess winning scoring title twenty four days cancer , leading team presidents trophy breaking win streak record process n't even qualify award maybe next year 'll tend games barrasso needs rest realistic , mario earned every one deserves attention gets lose jealous attitude may start enjoying hockey finest maze
itg ti com \( john \) subject pixmap standard \? nntp posting host itg ti com organization development , texas instruments inc , plano texas x disclaimer message written user texas instruments inc opinions expressed within user necessarily texas instruments lines 20 group interested using format multi colored icons buttons etc easily converted format files using pbmplus easily move xpm environments ms windows os 2 pm \( wondering xpm format consideration used standard x consortium r6 would prefer use whatever best supported x along subject line , reason standard x pixmap used n't associated colormap attributes \? involved \? wondering n't editors pixmaps format email replies preferred thanks advance john texas instruments email itg ti com standard disclaimers go
chorley vms ocom okstate edu subject centi milli pedes organization osu college osteopathic medicine lines 24 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu article castle ed ac uk , festival ed ac uk \( g clark \) writes msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) writes anyone know posionous centipedes millipedes \? someone bitten , soon would medical treatment needed , would liable happen person \? \( clarification bitten one , house seems infested , want know 'just \) rebecca millipedes , understand , vegetarian , therefore almost certainly bite poisonous centipedes , although n't absolute knowledge , would tend think 're danger anything concerted assault several million g sure think millipedes cause toxic reaction \( sting \? would assume dangerous merely basis , wasps vegetarian
mtu edu \( still \) subject need help wordperfect 5 2 windows organization michigan technological university lines 14 i'm trying install wordperfect 5 2 windows computer i'm running 386sx25 w 2meg ram 4meg virtual mem setting windows keep getting errors try run tells n't enough memory disk space \( since free hd , i'm assuming n't enough memory \) anyone tell takes run beast \? thanks \) stealth dave mtu edu \( caught using address , internet deny responsibility use e mail self destruct 10 seconds
pt hk r se \( andy \) subject mac disks windows \? reply gel binkley cs mcgill ca 's message 16 may 1993 18 16 31 0400 organization lysator acs linkoping university 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca lines 2 technology apple uses 800k disks , ibm pc cant read without special hardware , 1 44m disks work alike ibm 's read 1 44 disks pc andy
henson cc wwu edu \( sean dean \) subject rush read e mail \? article henson 1993apr23 distribution inet organization western washington university lines 23 rick ee uwm edu \( rick miller \) writes rsilvers nynexst com \( robert silvers \) writes send something rush linbaugh clinton taking away right privacy govt standard takes , people lots money \( drug dealers \) able justify des stuff slam clinton air rob seem recall rush saying compuserve account anyone wants e mail , need account number \( e 12345 , \) could e mail via gateway using dot instead comma like 12345 compuserve com \( address \) , anyone know e mail address \? says uses time \( wonder reads alt fan rush limbaugh ego big enough ! \) rick miller rick ee uwm edu ricxjo discus mil wi us ricxjo muelisto send postcard , get one back ! enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion ! 've heard n't read alt fan rush idea compuserve e mail address
lee sq sq com \( liam r e quin \) subject open look gui frequently asked questions organization softquad inc , toronto , canada expires 10 jun 1993 06 02 12 gmt lines 1231 frequently asked questions open look graphical user interface question n't , please try \( least \) man openwin man xnews man 7 xview looking appropriate manuals listed bibliography posting comp windows open look , comp windows x alt toolkits xview newsgroups corresponding mailing lists special notes updated faq recently announced openwindows 4 , due ship later year yes , sun moving motif , along cose motif move new motif , open look ui features added yes , openwindows 4 use dps instead news news dead means tnt dead , xview olit supported , probably enhanced next release n't know source release xview 3 1 cose environment include least sun 's deskset , ported motif look calendar manager mailtool , least yes , new mailtool mime compliant frequently asked questions x11 posted comp windows x monthly version revision 1 48 last posted version 1 46 contents \( rn trn use control g go next topic \) subject terminology open look , openwindows , x11 , xview , \( mo \) olit , motif subject window managers olwm , olvwm subject openwindows , terminals , displays subject configuration files getting started openwindows subject key bindings , cut paste subject applications finding subject deskset , calendar manager , etc subject trouble shooting strange error messages subject trouble shooting wo n't let type subject trouble shooting authorized use display subject trouble shooting common problems subject trouble shooting xview problems subject fonts subject environment variables subject get \? ftp , implementations , etc subject bibliography books , manuals , journals , papers , beer mats subject getting file , revision history , recent changes subject terminology open look , openwindows , x11 , xview , olit , moolit , motif open look \? open look specification graphical user interface \( gui \) gui determines feel' system shape windows , buttons scroll bars , resize things , edit files , etc open look gui specified , developed maintained jointly sun microsystems \( usl \? \) see also bibliography openwindows \? openwindows windowing environment conforms open look graphical user interface specifications 's compatible x11 window system mit well \( currently \) sun 's news sunview , programs written systems comes sun also system v release 4 certain vendors openwindows sometimes also called openwin xnews , program used start main executable , respectively called 'open , terms either wrong apply something else commerical openwindows source licence costs 5 , 000 server , plus 25 , 000 deskset , another 40 , 000 tooltalk current versions openwindows various platforms sunos 4 1 1 sun 3 2 0 solaris 1 x \( sunos 4 1 x \) sparc 3 0 solaris 2 0 \( sunos 5 \) sparc 3 0 1 see also mixing x11 openwindows get \? olit , xview tnt \? toolkits programmers use developing programs conform open look specifications see bibliography documentation individual toolkits 's brief summary olit 's open look intrinsics toolkit x window system used widget set , probably easiest people already x11 xt programmers learn could buy source , although n't get version sun ship sun includes olit library openwindows \( q v \) also often included system v release 4 written c release olit openwindows 3 0 olit 3 0 olit support passed usl \( division , owned novell \) , replaced moolit \( q v \) note nature xt , probably want need olit source order develop large application anything else uses see proceedings 1991 x technical conference xview sun 's toolkit x11 , written c xview similar programmer interface sunview 's even shell script help source code sunview xview xview often said easiest toolkit learn familiar x windows xview toolkit included openwindows , full source available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( elsewhere \) current version xview sun 3 0 despite rumours contrary even within sun xview toolkit dropped sun xview included next release openwindows , unlike news hand , xview toolkit likely receive much attention sun future olit news toolkit \( tnt \) object oriented programming system based postscript language news tnt implements many open look interface components required build user interface application 's currently included openwindows current version tnt sun 3 1 release 3 contains incompatibilities 1 0 tnt 2 0 , sun committed supporting api , least stop news support time later year replace display postscript wail might ask committed means context answer seems means absolutely nothing sun currently asserts committed olit , however c user interface toolkit \( uit \) consists object oriented c class library top xview tool generate code devguide 3 gil files uit also includes features simplify event management use postscript color said compatible openwindows v2 v3 , presumably v3 0 1 , since release mentions works solaris 2 uit official sun supported product ongoing project various people within sun found export lcs mit edu mit contrib directory tar z \( use binary mode ! \) motif fit \? n't \) motif alternative graphical user interface developed osf feel' reminiscent microsoft windows os 2 presentation manager non commercial motif toolkits available , although motif source sold reasonably cheaply osf although motif currently available platforms openwindows , open look gui almost certainly used many machines , simply sun \( \) large installed base sun 's cd ware volume 2 contains improving motif applications converting olit \) also notes olit demo , openwinhome demo moolit \? moolit version olit usl lets users choose motif open look ui feel run time part system v release 4 2 contact , jo usl com , \( 908 \) 522 display postscript thing \? sun adobe agreed sun include dps extension x next release openwindows dps essentially badly designed hack top slow level 2 postscript interpreter intended give small subset functionality news whilst simultaneously harder use , understand real advantage news manual much smaller , generally less complete dps also available kinds machine performance rs 6000 suitable interactive work like sparcstation remains seen note whereas x news fonts shared subsystems , dps extension x make type 1 postscript fonts available ordinary x11 programs like atm pc regard \( least one third party version make fonts available , however \) subject window managers olwm , olvwm olwm olvwm \? window managers window manager part x window system \( e g x11 \) responsible deciding lay windows screen , managing user 's interaction windows olwm standard open look window manager 's included openwindows \( q v \) implementations , also get source ftp , since sun donated olvwm version olwm manages \( hence name \) shows little map screen , currently displayed area represented little rectangle move around dragging rectangle arrow keys lets run several clients \( applications \) move display around one olvwm derived openwindows 3 0 olwm scott oaks need xview 3 0 compile get olvwm ftp site export lcs mit edu \( contrib directory three patches \) use favorite window manager openwindows instead olwm \? yes use twm , example , mwm , wo n't able use pin feature olwm , \( probably \) wo n't see windows use display certain messages use twm , 'll want use f delete function menus get rid programs n't button run olwm twm , put home target f delete target icon usr include x11 bitmaps alternatively , try add menu window managed twm tvtwm menu f menu ol menu menu ol menu quit f delete mwm , double click menu icon left title bar dismiss pop window \( told \) see manual page window manager \( twm , etc \) subject openwindows , terminals , displays use olwm olvwm without openwindows x terminal \? openwindows xnews server combines sunview , news \( postscript \) x11 means run programs compiled systems unfortunately , means openwindows programs need either news sunview support , thus wo n't run x terminal includes pageview particular use olwm olvwm \( see \) x terminal non open windows display , open look clients \( e g olit xview ones \) work perfectly well may find get complaints fonts found , see fonts section running window manager built ncd terminal , may problems input focus setting input true terminal 's file usr lib x11 xdm may may help subject configuration files getting started openwindows configuration files need know \? xinitrc first time run openwindows , xinitrc file created login directory \( home \) already exists , might edit somewhat 's simplest move old x11 files another directory , merge old new files site uses xdm , use xsession instead xinitrc , since xdm n't look xinitrc file openwin init , openwin menu openwin sys optional files create home directory , depending version olwm olvwm use look openwinhome lib \( normally usr openwin lib \) files without leading copy want change may need edit xinitrc get recognized x terminal , want run console window \( cmdtool c , shelltool c , xterm c \) chuck 's program system output directed instead writing screen note openwin sys executed unless edit xinitrc xdefaults put x windows resource specifications particular , good idea include least openwindows true input true allow non icccm compliant programs receive input even forget ask props , program runs select default root menu olwm olvwm , writes choices xdefaults n't put comments xdefaults , since deletes startup ps news user profile file , read openwindows \( actually xnews \) startup documented news programming manual , near back useful thing put postscript code change keyboard repeat rate , although must careful , since syntax error postscript means xnews either start get broken strange ways news manual gives code incorrect insufficient warning things file rarely work openwindows 2 3 note mouse speed best set xinitrc xset see man page xset \( man xset , xset help \) information 's home startup ps look like want delay third second \( microseconds \) , repeat rate twenty keys per second \( 30000 microseconds repeats \) openwindows 3 'll experiment bit delay keys sent , thus n't include time process key , probably higher 4 110 10 51 gti injection \) , openwindows 3 n't want demos see p xxxii news toolkit reference manual \? false def begin 0 def 0 30000 def note 30000 differ greatly end must also user ps file directory , like news 3 0 3 0 tnt 3 0 pop force repeat ps change parameters , test without restarting openwindows server like psh startup ps welcome x11 news version3 psh welcome x11 news version3 send press control also either two files \( startup ps user ps \) make root window retained , postscript drawing background wo n't erased move windows retained true put note may increase amount memory used news server \( xnews \) dramatically see also trouble shooting wo n't let type trouble shooting easy way edit xdefaults \? environment variables configure open look left handed mouse keyboard \? use xmodmap change mouse buttons , prepared one two occasional surprises see also man 7 xview list change , least xview programs openwindows 2 0 , use set mouse mappings let sunview handle status returned tell whether server running sunview put xinitrc eval xmodmap e pointer 1 2 3 input defaults else xmodmap e pointer 3 2 1 fi get screen go blank system idle \? run etc rc local 's boring effective screen saver see `man solaris 2 'll need copy older system , 's supplied add new file etc rc2 make system run automatically subject key bindings , cut paste cut paste xterm openwindows programs \? go xterm textedit \( say \) select text want copy dragging select mouse button xterm press copy xterm \( key l6 , meta c \( o'reilly xview manual gets wrong \) move textedit window , press paste \( l8 meta v \) n't work , see trouble shooting cut paste go way , textedit xterm select text textedit need use copy move xterm window press adjust \( middle mouse button \) also use copy cut paste buttons copy paste boring short cuts available \? quick copy within textedit , mailtool , etc click select get text want copied text go press hold paste \( cut \) button select text want copy move 'll see 's underlined crossed , appropriate \( jed demo goes grey \) let go paste \( cut \) button text underlined crossed appears insert drag drop move selection select text want copy move , dragging multiple clicking select adjust mouse button put mouse pointer anywhere within selection press hold select mouse button , move mouse pointer little right 'll see cursor changes first 3 letters text \( icon \) still holding select , move mouse point want drop text may see mouse pointer change rifle sight target , show 's ok drop things let go select , text moved works text fields dialogue boxes well text subwindows drag drop copy selection using drag drop move selection , except must hold control key well select mouse button default key bindings textedit elsewhere \? see man page textedit \( 1 \) general , editing moving commands go opposite direction shifted e g ctrl w deletes word , ctrl w deletes word right insert point meta include file meta f find selection \( forward backward \) ctrl start line ctrl back word ctrl e end line ctrl forward word ctrl w delete word ctrl u delete start end line ctrl return move end start document see o'reilly xview reference manual list default keys see also olwm olvwm manual page put \? documented \? see manual page shelltool subject applications finding contact sunsoft \( sun \) ask catalyst open look guide , lists 200 pages applications , also huge catalyst listing products suns , updated six monthly sun 's free cd roms contain demo versions several popular open look applications often simply contact vendor concerned license upgraded demo , receive full product documentation produces cd rom newsprint users , printer 's , contains newsprint drivers variety printers plotters , well 600 scaleable fonts license separate faq posting comp windows open look lists number free commercial mail lee sq com copy , including open look ui application list subject faster reply subject deskset , mailtool , calendar manager , etc tty based interface cm \( calendar manager \) \? yes , cm delete , cm insert cm lookup manual pages man cm delete n't work gives strange messages , see trouble shooting strange error messages , arrange signature included outgoing mail \? best way cd cp usr lib chmod w edit \( use vi , textedit , whatever prefer \) add key right \( 3 \) filter cat signature \( might need change home \) pressing r3 insert signature file subject fonts openwindows support type 1 postscript fonts \? yes , either solaris 2 0 2 1 \( i'm sure \) , yet , words framemaker utility import , i'm told 57 fonts supplied openwindows fully hinted , though , comparing microsoft windows apple truetype fonts interesting f3 font format described publication sun group , listed bibliography documentation version also available sun buy f3 fonts , , , probably major newsprint software supports type 1 fonts improving font rendering time although sun type renderer \( \) pretty fast , 's fast loading bitmap \) pre generate bitmap fonts sizes use lot , also alter access font cache parameters lot memory might want increase font cache size psh welcome x11 news version3 psh say type line 300 's server using 300 kbytes 1024 check 1024 see pp news 3 0 programmer 's guide need say psh postscript packages loaded see psh man page making bitmap fonts faster startup mkdir home cd home 20 openwinhome lib fonts creating bembo20 afb b bembo20 afb bembo20 afb bembo20 fb chars parameter greater number characters supplied ls bembo20 afb bembo20 fb list ff \( encoding latin \) cat compat list file directory xset fp xset fp rehash want server see new font directory every time , add directory environment variable one start files , e g login profile converting font formats \( , etc \) also use fonts x11 server , converting bitmap \( x11 bdf format \) first licence forbids using fonts another machine , unless newsprint n't use printing said use generate bdf files compile bdftopcf use \( distribution \) convert tex pk fonts x11 bdf format , use either x11 also use der mouse 's getbdf get bdf fonts running x display server ftp larry mcrcim mcgill edu \( 132 206 1 1 \) x getbdf xview olit fonts 100 dpi n't precisely , various text fonts , typewriter sans , available 100 dpi , fact scalable openwindows glyph fonts bitmaps , n't scale well subject trouble shooting strange error messages manual entry cm lookup man n't seem find openwindows commands , even though running openwindows , try setting manpath environment variable manpath openwinhome share man usr man export manpath setenv manpath openwinhome share man usr man csh users openwinhome usr openwin systems window window creation failed get new fd window base frame passed parent window environment cannot create base frame process aborted messages come sunview programs sunview earlier windowing system suns , networked sunview programs still around usr bin , names openwindows counterparts almost certainly want run programs openwinhome instead set path openwinhome bin \( openwin bin xview openwindows 2 \) come bin \( usr bin , 're \) , 'll get sunview versions mailtool , cmdtool , shelltool , etc memory fault core dumped get binder , binder suddenly , get following patches 02 binder 03 03 tooltalk trouble compiling xt , xmu olit programs get wmshellwidgetclass using openwindows 3 0 \( x11r4 based xt \) , contact local sun office request following patches 02 4 1 x openwindows 3 0 libxt jumbo patch 03 4 1 x openwindows 3 0 undefined symbols using shared libxmu ca n't install patch , workaround add u get wmshellwidgetclass u get applicationshellwidgetclass link \( ld cc \) line alternative add assert cflags makefile , even imake tmpl subject trouble shooting wo n't let type try type programs , get beeps nothing happens good idea include least openwindows true input true xdefaults file , allow non icccm compliant programs receive input even forget ask see next item editing xdefaults subject trouble shooting cut paste working ca n't paste xterm xview \( including sun deskset \) programs openwindows 2 , need add following either home xdefaults file , openwinhome lib app defaults xterm instead xterm vt100 translations override key l6 select set \( clipboard \) n key l8 insert selection \( clipboard \) must move mouse ending selection pressing l8 \( paste key \) ! openwindows 3 , already app defaults file , n't working , check xfilesearchpath set usr openwin lib n n't , either set copy merge lines openwinhome lib app defaults xterm usr lib x11 app defaults xterm see also environment variables version automatically puts xterm selection onto clipboard xterm vt100 translations override n ctrl meta insert selection \( primary , cut \) n ctrl meta select end \( primary , cut , clipboard \) n keypress l8 insert selection \( clipboard \) note sure n end line , must following spaces , signs showing faq file altered must also removed ! using x11r5 , may find adding lines key start extend \( \) select end \( primary , clipboard , cut \) n kill selection \( \) n keypress l8 line make \( cut \) work cut key ! alter home xdefaults instead , must use x calls resource name xterm vt100 translations ca n't paste xview \( including sun deskset \) programs xterm n't sun l keys left keyboard , use meta x , meta c meta v cut , coy paste respectively change keys adding following two lines xdefaults file , edited wish \( values shown defaults \) openwindows copy c meta , l6 openwindows paste , v meta , l8 lists resources manual page xview , also blue book volume 7 , xview reference o'reilly , also olwm olvwm manual pages always get piece text press paste \( l8 , meta v \) remove file tmp shelf see helps see also next item cut copy paste n't work \( openwindows \) oh dear use ps grep xv check sv xv sel svc running either root started , depending whether started openwindows openwin logging xdm , start dies , check tmp sv xv sel svc restarting may need root remove , reboot workstation check space tmp \( use df tmp \) , also see lot files names like tmp tty txt several hundred , cut paste may take long times quit deskset tools mailtool , cm \( calendar \) , start terminal emulator remove tmp tty txt tmp text files still 's simplest quit openwin start , cut paste broken , starts working carry note files tmp owned might use another worker comrade , n't remove without checking first ! subject trouble shooting authorized use display get error messages look like xlib connection 0 0 refused server xlib internal error connection authorization check error ca n't open display try , machine running openwindows x11 , xhost machine machine computer ran command failed want let users run programs machine , using display , type bizarre looking xhost `hostname` \( xhost , name workstation \) lets user access display openwindows 3 0 also use xauth , programmer 's guide describes chapter 8 , p 101 secure also check man page \( 5 \) stop users accessing framebuffer directly ! also note sun patch openwindows 3 0 sunos 4 1 1 fix serious security problem available local sun answer center well anonymous ftp ftp uu net 192 48 96 2 system sun dist fix filename checksum 01 tar z 5 x terminal , may setup menu lets change disable list hosts access display start getting message 've logged overnight , might job 's removing unix sockets tmp used communicate server display n't hostname , empty system administrator change script skip sockets subject trouble shooting common problems get console error messages screen n't go away \( sun 3 4 \) refresh makes messages vanish , new ones come along later , need run xterm c xinitrc , start one background choose save workspace workspace utilities menu better still , pick run get export lcs mit edu contrib directory monitor console open , flash icon beep message appears 's easy configure refresh workspace utilities menu n't make messages , go away sun frame buffer two screens move mouse right hand \( default \) edge screen onto whole new \( monochrome \) display , called 0 1 see man page openwin shell script checks , 's dev cgfour0 , openwin dev dev cgfour0 dev dev bwtwo0 running x11 openwindows 2 , might need add xinitrc startup file \( eval display unix 0 1 olvwm display unix 0 1 \) later releases olwm olvwm automatically also run switcher e 0 get rid messages also , see note , easy way editing xdefaults \? use , appears default root menu starts , property editor write xdefaults removing comments applies changes keep comments using comment instead ! , example , comment font italic 37 get file manager use emacs instead textedit \? set default editor sh c exec emacs font 18 file \( change font prefer smaller one \) run openwindows inverse video \? tends work openwindows 2 3 0 , various ways , including using bg fg options 're using openwindows 2 sun 3 , probably best \( short upgrading workstation sparc ! \) use xterm instead cmdtool n't flat check boxes work \? known bug may make guide 's output dump core use workaround edit guide output , 's guide 's output 's broken , actual check box code applies versions devguide devguide 3 0 're still using ancient devguide , upgrade soon possible new one fantastic ! leave openwindows , screen goes blank mouse cursor stays screen try running clear colormap helps , put last line shell script use start openwindows \( e g \) use snapshot , system crashes , server hangs , something bug related systems work round use screen dump program , xwd , xv 2 21 xgrabsc function keys stopped working \? keys changed sunxk sunxk respectively openwindows 3 applications must recompiled , might able use xmodmap public domain program change keyboard layout back type shelltool cmdtool textedit , get sunview version see trouble shooting strange error messages \( see also next item \) mixing x11 openwindows \( see also next item \) note openwindows 3 0 includes x11r4 core distribution \( patch level 18 \) , contrib directory notes apply openwindows 2 0 , although could also sort thing openwindows 3 0 x11r5 install x11 libraries usr lib x11 openwindows x11r4 x11r5 , 're compatible respect put x11 binaries \( example \) usr bin x11 put usr bin x11 last path , get openwindows versions programs instead x11 ones appropriate , although matter preference event , put openwindows bin directory first see preceding item details bin \( usr bin , 're directory sunos \) earlier path openwinhome bin xview , 'll get sunview programs instead openwindows ones ! set ld library path usr openwin lib last , x11 library directory n't matter openwindows 3 0 , older versions 'll get error messages x11 programs n't messages generally harmless \( see next item \) , although xdm core dumps n't right set openwinhome directory containing openwindows n't usr openwin see also environment variables \( especially xfilesearchpath \) get error messages screen ld libx11 4 found set ld library path usr openwin also use x11 , use usr lib usr usr openwin lib put shell script profile , use openwinhome usr openwin lib instead usr openwin bin sh csh different launch get ld map heap error \( 9 \) dev zero system needs patched look openwinhome lib install patch n't answerbook run \? must running openwindows use answerbook wo n't run x11 \( x terminal anything else \) uses news draw postscript text pictures using openwindows 3 0 , need use openwindows 3 0 compatible navigator 's called navigator ow3 answerbook cd rom answerbook users using openwindows 3 0 , replace navigator navigator ow3 altogether \( rename old one first satisfy sense paranoia ! \) navigator ow3 binary also cd ware vol 2 note data files postscript , look viewer \( q v \) n't fish \? fixed version available ftp ftp eng auburn edu 131 204 10 91 pub z properties choice disabled window menu \? n't implemented yet many programs respond properties key \( l3 \) , though , pop menu properties file completion c shell broken cmdtool sadly true , use shelltool xterm instead 's fine also works run command tool remote machine fixed openwindows 3 0 1 shipped solaris 2 run olit programs , widgets red ! release 3 olit added operation action widgets selected via keyboard currently selected item highlighted red \( \) show input focus disable places , add home xdefaults file textedit change color using \( example \) input green list background color see man page resources \( 3w \) , start olit 3 widget set reference manual included openwindows 3 programmer documentation meanwhile contact distributor ask patch id 30 , olit 3 0 jumbo patch run several programs , colors screen change move different window ! \( colormap flashing \) becasue hardware display colors time however , minimise effect following procedure start applications colors wish reserve run cmap compact save create file put line cmap compact init near start start file \( xinitrc \) exit restart window system cmap compact init push colors end colormap reserves also note control l2 locks colors current window , control l4 unlocks described olwm manual page uses wrong colors , makes colormap flash \( see \) problem reported people reason running motif window manager \( mwm \) openwindows try running pageview like openwinhome bin openwinhome bin pageview openwinhome bin discard xdm breaks things command tool n't like run without unix use etc start command tools well sunview applications may need run , exec usr bin traffic xdm wo n't set necessary environment variables note mit xdm starts x server root , security hole openwindows use openwindows 3 0 xdm aware users access files start unix processes ass root function keys 11 12 stopped working openwindows 3 0 , x11 names \( \) keys changed sunxk sunxk code uses recompiled , might able get away xmodmap e sunxk subject trouble shooting xview problems section xview faq appears , promised , n't reached note also usenet newsgroup , alt toolkits xview , although n't wide distribution order one two articles per month also look faq comp windows x set font individual scrolling list items \? panel list font takes int row number xv opaque font handle panel list fonts take null terminated list xv opaque font handles easy way make entire list fixed width font make sure always specify panel list font insert new row list , write convenience function insert row \( list , row , string \) hides nasty bits keep xview pop window displayed button pressed \? button callback , xv set \( button , panel notify status , xv error , null \) keep window visible might also need investigate menu notify status attribute make xview button look pressed \? call panel begin preview \( \) panel cancel preview \( \) documented er xview 3 source openwindows 3 imake n't work properly greg earle 's patch , applied openwinhome note edit lib config sun cf afterwards get right \( 1 sunos 4 1 2 , example \) edited patch little , bugs mine lee sq com \) bin xmkmf orig wed sep 18 07 02 02 1991 bin xmkmf tue aug 6 00 39 20 1991 30 , 34 n openwinhome ! args openwinhome lib config else 30 , 34 n openwinhome ! args openwinhome lib config ' ' else lib config site def orig wed sep 18 01 26 19 1991 lib config site def tue aug 6 00 44 37 1991 0 1 , 7 define bindir \( openwinhome \) bin define libdir \( openwinhome \) lib define \( openwinhome \) share include define \( file , \) install file \( install \) c \( \) file define note patch new , marked line liam subject environment variables environment variables , plausible values use list n't take account local changes might made , course list openwindows 3 0 differences openwindows 2 0 marked , 've added comments users x11r4 x11r5 , display name x windows display use 0 0 \( local machine , one actually running x11 xnews \) 0 1 \( machines second , monochrome screen \) machine running unix 0 0 \( machines \) \( may need xhost machine let programs machines use display see also trouble shooting , see section xauth openwindows version 3 programmer 's guide , pp \) see also console messages , trouble shooting xnews searches fonts usr openwin lib fonts \( also use xset fp dir add directory font path , may xset fp rehash afterwards fine openwindows , many x11 servers font problems \) helppath xview looks press help key \( f1 \) usr openwin lib locale usr openwin lib help \( sunos 4 0 , openwindows 2 0 , omit first entry , sites using local c usa \) ld library path look find shared c libraries usr lib usr usr openwin lib usr cc \( usr cc lib entry needed use c programs \) openwinhome openwindows lives usr openwin keyboard , mouse serial devices use instead console \( n't set normal use dev dev mouse \) path shell searches programs run \( openwinhome \) bin \( openwinhome \) bin xview usr local bin home bin usr ucb usr bin usr bin x11 usr hosts \( certainly want change example ! \( openwinhome \) bin xview openwindows 3 0 \) xfilesearchpath programs look app defaults files usr openwin lib n \( set automatically openwin openwindows 3 0 \) might want use usr lib x11 n , perhaps , separated , example \( sh users \) xfilesearchpath openwinhome lib n usr lib x11 n export xfilesearchpath use x11r5 , might instead want usr lib x11 l n c usr lib x11 l n c usr lib x11 n c usr lib x11 l n usr lib x11 l n usr lib x11 n openwinhome lib n \( put one line , though , spaces ! \) together following lib xinitrc xrdb merge 'end customization end xrdb xrdb merge 'end ifdef color customization color endif end xrdb automatically get color oclock , editres , bitmap , , since use customization resource appearing c xfilesearchpath \( see oclock \( n \) \) according rainer ifi unizh ch subject get \? ftp , implementations , etc xview 3 0 available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu elsewhere moolit bought source form openwindows obtained sun , get source interactive systems inc also included vendors' system v release 4 implementations , although 's always latest version current release openwindows sun supported architectures 3 0 sun 3 series frozen openwindows 2 0 note sun includes openwindows sunos , also included windowing system solaris said \( sun \) 35 ports openwindows either available progress unfortunately , none seem available anywhere contact anthony com information subject bibliography books , manuals , journals , papers , beer mats open look \( tm \) graphical interface documented two books sun microsystems inc , look graphical user interface application style , addison wesley , 1989 sun microsystems inc , look graphical user interface functional , addison wesley main documentation x window system comes o'reilly associates nine ten volumes useful open look users volume 1 xlib programming manual volume 2 xlib reference manual volume 3 x window system user 's guide \( open look edition volume 3 appear later year \) volume 7 xview programmer 's manual dan heller make sure get 3rd edition xview 3 0 companion volume 7 xview reference manual ed thomas van companion volume 7 expanded version attribute summary previous edition xview programming manual , together reference information , practice buy books o'reilly also orange book differences x11r4 olit programmers also want xt books volumes 4 5 new big fat green vol 5 updated x11r5 journal , x resource , may also interest o'reilly associates , 103 morris street , , , ca 1 707 829 0515 , , usa canada , 1 800 998 fax 1 707 829 email nuts ora com uunet ! ora ! nuts distributors mail , fax , call 1 707 829 0515 o'reilly examples available fro ftp export lcs mit edu contrib directory system v release 4 documentation prentice hall may also include section openwindows david miller describes programming olit open look \( press \) gives excellent introduction x olit programming , well setting using x openwindows , r desktop guide open sams , 1992 isbn 0 672 0 get examples book export lcs mit edu contrib examples tar z also using olit , xt particular x window system programming applications xt , open look edition , doug young john pew , prentice hall , 1992 , isbn 0 13 x also hp widgets motif \( ugh \) versions book example source code book obtained ftp export lcs mit edu , file contrib young pew olit z introduction xview applications sun , vol 1 , `a guide macintosh \( r \) \( sun microsystems , pub addison wesley \) learn news postscript languages , see news book , springer verlag , 1989 \( sadly , little date \) postscript language reference manual , second edition , adobe systems inc , addison wesley , 1990 red book note openwindows 3 level 1 postscript implementation , certain level 2 features \( composite fonts \) degree postscript language tutorial cookbook , adobe systems inc , addison wesley , 1985 blue book 's least one book using solaris \( e sunos \) sun also supplies large amount documentation openwindows , although may order separately 's little 21 cm square \( wider a4 paper \) , vary 1 cm thick say 's 's front user manuals red stripe bottom , programmer ones green stripe 800 10 openwindows version 3 release manual 800 10 openwindows version 3 installation start guide 800 10 openwindows version 3 deskset reference guide 800 10 openwindows version 3 user 's guide 800 10 desktop integration guide also available bookstores \? 800 10 programmer 's guide 800 10 openwindows version 3 reference manual man pages 800 10 news toolkit 3 0 reference manual 800 10 news 3 0 programming guide 800 10 olit 3 0 widget set reference manual 800 10 xview 3 0 reference manual converting sunview applications 800 10 f3 font format specification order separately also sets documentation , including documentation group , example n't seem complete list anywhere \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? tooltalk 1 0 setup administration guide \( sunsoft , 1991 \) 800 10 tooltalk 1 0 programmer 's guide \( sunsoft , 1991 \) might documentation link manager somewhere , includes several large thorny worth paper olit sun 's answerbook cd rom contains lot documentation , including o'reilly books \( xview 3 volume 7 , though \) volume 8 o'reilly series x 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eos ericsson se \( marek \) subject nntp posting host ericsson se reply marek eos ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab distribution lines 72 article 1993apr22 eua ericsson se , eua ericsson se \( anders engwall \) writes \( \) om jag f tt r tt f r vi , , , , , v nn , , , rn , v stra mora , g , avesta , uppsala , k ping , , , tv lag fr n v stra \( \? \) stra , v , , , , aik , , , , , ping , dra h , , bor , v stervik , , , , tv lag fr n dra \( \) f r det f r det fel att man har f r f r det kan man ju r och v stervik f en fri sl ng ja , r det en fix f r n problem med , men v stervik \? r det nne f r att ping der , de ver \? ni man ger , som 3 stra \? \? att man skulle bli att man inte ut p f att man inte fel lag var en fix som , men v stervik ! ! att det p ping jag inte p , man ju g rna till dra \( iaf om man g r \) r att l ta och v stervik g ra , men skulle inte stra avg ras skulle de ga om det \? det st med r som f rra ret , fast v det r inte r , var en match fr n att g till allsvenskan f rra ret ist g ni n n av dem bra r \? aik , , och hik sl ss om tv ! ! om man var sin division skulle de sj till en allsvenskan , men nu ste tv ge vika var finns r det \? \( jag har h rt att hik har l en protest till f stra f att l ta 3 division om tv allsvenskan och jul skulle man sl de till tv , en der och en p tt inte lag som fr n en r det finns bra lag en som jag att man inf rde r att l ta allsvenskan f sm det skulle bli en extra till division om k nde att de var r till sm det skulle p lag elitserien och division js \? anders engwall email anders engwall eua ericsson se ellemtel ab voice 46 8 727 , sweden fax 46 8 727 42 20 h dom , som ger c toll n , 1899 marek marek eos ericsson se man inte fr ericsson telecom ab om man har en system design division r sweden gunnar str ng \( 92 \) jnf va , vg 13
weaver sfc sony com \( eric weaver \) subject atari 2600 processors organization sony advanced video technology center san jose , ca usa lines 6 i'm 2600 hacker old days let 's see much trouble get telling want know eric weaver sony 677 river oaks , ms 35 sj ca 408 944 chief engineer , 89 7 college , los altos hills ca
chad nicholas hunter andrew cmu edu subject espn organization senior , physics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu n't know anyone posted message like yet , i'm getting really sick espn showing last minute hockey game , score tied , cutting saying sorry ca n't show show baseball tonight \( even game highlight show \) gee , sure would nice see isles caps overtime live pittsburgh \( yes i'm pens fan \) hockey gets lot coverage imagine caps fan residing texas must feel
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 18 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article 1993apr23 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes n't like term quack applied licensed physician david questionable conduct appropriately called unethical \( opinion \) 3 using laetril treat cancer patients treatment shown ineffective dangerous \( cyanide release \) nci hmm certainly among things would refer quack therapy would tend refer practitioner prescribed laetrile \( whether licensed \) quack unethical behaviors \( ordering unneccessary tests increase fees \) would , prescribing known ineffective therapies seems one hallmarks quack david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
cwis isu edu \( terry \) subject animation organization idaho state university , pocatello lines 14 nntp posting host cwis isu edu couple raytracing questions know i'm using povray 1 0 \( ms dos unix \) i'm generating targa files varying size 1 \) ok , view wonderful pictures screen 's best way get paper \? would possible take 's make actual picture paper \? 2 \) thinking making small animation bit different raytraced frames bad idea \? tricks \? 3 \) would get sequence targa files made animation could put videotape \? cheap way \?
dk \( \) subject need values aorta ! organization utexas mail news gateway lines 28 reply 71 dk nntp posting host cs utexas edu need following data human aorta tear shear stress aorta plot cross sectional area stroke volume root approximate distribution blood major branches aorta flow velocity blood aorta various values flow velocity , data remember give us references include report stud fax \( 45 \) 45 93 34 34 hus 7 1 gr 8a university , denmark 260 dk 4000
paladin world std com \( thomas g schlatter \) subject smartdrv dblspace organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 16 article rcaldrn rcaldrn med miami edu \( richard calderon \) writes received gateway 486 33 windows dos 6 0 ran times apparent problems decided give double space try compressing drive , problems , decided load windows took 1 minute 45 seconds load dblspace , 17 seconds dblspace little machine noticed error message saying smartdrive 4 0 cannot work dblspace reason change smartdrv exe 4 0 included windows 3 1 smartdrv exe 4 1 included dos 6 0 compatability dblspace sure running smartdrv dos directory
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton press briefing dee dee myers 4 23 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 710 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 23 , 1993 press briefing dee dee myers briefing room 10 35 edt ms myers 1 00 p , 're press conference , bill , east room saturday president leave roughly 8 00 fly jamestown spend day , overnight camp david sunday , 's unclear exactly time 'll leave camp david fly boston 'll leave hagerstown press plane leave washington meet q kind plane 's taking \? ms myers 's taking \? 'll probably take c 20 q hagerstown \? ms myers hagerstown air force one n't fly hagerstown , apparently q pool travel \? ms myers pool meet ahead time guess pool travel press plane wait airport currently provision 'll double check , 's currently provision think 's standard operating practice q pool going meet watch get plane hagerstown \? ms myers n't believe q time boston \? ms myers 's going meet group citizens , mostly people supported us campaign , around 1 30 p 're still working final times q airport \? ms myers , boston harbor hotel also meet youth group authored something called project 21 speech publishers actually 3 15 p followed q speech q , 'll attend reception publishers , return washington boston 's weekend q president seen report letter , communication foreign service officers also , obviously , communication madeleine albright \? reaction call \? ms myers well , obviously , letter written secretary christopher believe secretary christopher received letter saturday reviewed met authors monday discuss views believes 's important part policy making process taking views account go forward development bosnia policy q president 's reaction \? ms myers president n't seen letter something directed towards secretary christopher terms n't seen specifically letter , terms concerns generally , president said lot options table , including ones n't think 's , everybody , concerned situation bosnia q influenced \? mean , feel fact specialists area desk officers ms myers many specialists area think clearly part process 's something views clearly considered think secretary christopher met group immediately discuss views think believes ought room opinions opinions ought considered , particularly people work closely issues q mean , options table n't \? ms myers think president said last week options , lifting arms embargo bosnian muslims , previously table considered q dee dee , terms options , madeleine albright saying potentially could unilateral action u europeans go along table \? ms myers well , ca n't discuss anything would conversations would happened ambassador albright president think president said would certainly working european allies 's number conversations european leaders trying build consensus q reach decision anything specific say today \? ms myers mean , term new announcement policy today q statement mean ruled unilateral action \? ms myers 's continuing consult allies point said think 's fairly clear , believes u needs act concert allies q point , believe u , though , built authority united nations already take unilateral action \? ms myers well , think u n resolution 770 makes clear act unilaterally support humanitarian relief effort think broader point anything , options decide pursue make sure consistent u n authority , 's , 'll work allies make sure get q dee dee , white house someone distinguished elie wiesel , says enough done stop atrocities going bosnia \? ms myers think 's 're considering additional options think mr wiesel 's comments yesterday quite compelling situation bosnia tragic president concerned think president clinton worked hard take actions continue isolate serbia world community clearly , 're considering options president concerned perhaps 's enough q terms talking , sounds like resolution 770 justifies unilateral action u protect humanitarian ms myers n't think would n't use word justify permits unilateral action country protecting delivery humanitarian relief think 's explanation resolution think action take consistent u n resolutions 'll work allies make sure permissible 'll get action q president officials ruled unilateral u action bosnia past 're declining morning ms myers , said president said repeatedly wants act concert allies q n't mean wo n't act alone , said explicitly ms myers n't mean imply change policy president said along wants act concert allies q one little question know letter foreign service officers hit papers \? ms myers n't believe secretary christopher may private conversation president seen q met monday , right \? christopher met surely , must brought ms myers , may talked privately , q dee dee , 're saying albright recommendation rejected , correct \? ms myers , n't say said wo n't said would n't comment conversations communications q 's advocating unilateral action 're saying , effect , take unilateral action ms myers confirming anything madeleine albright may may recommended q given sometimes delicate , complicated frustrating nature negotiations allies issue , president find kind letter 12 foreign service officers state department helpful process , \? ms myers think views obviously considered secretary received memo saturday two days later met order thorough views , basis views , discuss greater detail options presented letter q n't put kind pressure additional pressure within administration act regardless allies may may \? ms myers think clearly 's broad policy review underway president advisors considering number options , including outlined letter folks state department , decisions made yet , think review underway , opinions seriously considered q follow , guess i'm looking reaction letter \? say , good , bolsters position \? say , damn , n't need right \? ms myers think said helps contribute debate 's important views considered aired thoroughly , makes decision wants best possible advice information possible , , think many ways , goal q internal advice cabinet official president 's open , would n't take say line \? ms myers think fact secretary christopher met discuss views make sure opportunity complete conversation conclusive evidence views welcome q policy review include madeleine albright suggested , joe biden others suggested , previous u n resolutions authorize unilateral action military action delivery humanitarian ms myers think options table q unilateral option table \? ms myers think options table q 've two different q n't change , dee dee \? q would change policy q particularly includes ground troops , specifically ruled ms myers think president well , n't q talking options \? ms myers options think president fairly clear let review said said president said options table , exception introduction ground troops , never suggested ruled beginning q n't ruled unilateral action sort \? ms myers said n't believe u solve problems former yugoslavia think number complicated options table right n't think , n't want comment specific options considered broad categories 've already said things like lifting arms embargo bosnian muslims , things think 've talked broad terms complicated situation options presented considered complicated q air strikes table \? ms myers , think 's fairly clearly pointed 's something 's discussed q dee dee , ground troops ms myers , ground troops considered q said going said announcing change policy said everything table 're confused unilateral actions table \? ms myers tell president said n't believe wants act concert allies q wants , 's willing mean , n't go along ms myers 's continuing consult allies 's continuing discussions 's continuing press action think 's clear conversation ongoing 're going continue work find best possible solution next step q dee dee , allies taken position conduct kind air strikes bosnia would opposite effect ensuring delivery humanitarian aid feel troops ground monitoring delivery aid would become vulnerable bosnians ms myers i'm sure 's consistent mean , i'm sure 're referring q british french q yes , british french 've taken position delivery humanitarian aid would kind air strikes bosnian military u believe differently \? ms myers president conversations major , know think thorough review policy going countries well n't want comment nature president 's discussions say 's continuing consult allies move forward 's continuing press action think process ongoing q day voted military intervention yesterday president regard end line still hold possibility unilateral action \? allies , plain want anything ms myers consultations ongoing 's tell point q saying wo n't announcement bosnia today press conference \? ms myers , intention press conference q intention \? ms myers 's opportunity take questions may brief i'm sure 'll brief opening statement , opportunity outline new policy bosnia happen q tell us subject opening statement \? ms myers 's sort general statement q first hundred days , mean \? ms myers 's long statement mean , generally n't look major policy pronouncements q know opening statement \? ms myers 's perhaps later today 'll able tell certainty think 's still review overriding purpose 's mystery 's meant 's take questions q would helpful know whether opening statement ms myers since major purpose take questions , 's completely resolved yet q dee dee , one policy expected last week white house , george seemed indicate might get , would aids czar announce today \? 's delay \? ms myers n't think meant imply think said would happen soon n't think meant imply certainty would week coming soon n't anticipate happening today q 's delay \? n't perfect time announce aids czar \? ms myers n't know 's delay think process ongoing find best possible person go necessary background checks , make sure 've crossed 's dotted 's make announcement q dee dee , baird 's qualifications foreign intelligence advisory board \? n't appointment announced \? ms myers qualifications n't know 's specific list 'll check see think number people board different backgrounds many long histories intelligence government service think 's broad variety views across political spectrum across backgrounds represented never made formal announcement chairman board , admiral william crowe q would appoint , though , american people many senate rejected another government job \? ms myers n't believe american people ever voted certainly never rejected senate never went hearing president believes 's competent person 's said baird understand question \? baird president 's foreign intelligence q said never went hearing \? q withdrawn public outrage violating federal laws \? ms myers right , never never said rejected senate simply trying point never voted senate q n't think problem \? ms myers n't think 's problem q appointed board , fact \? ms myers yes q need confirmation \? need confirmation member ms myers 's presidential appointment q usually , announcements made white house decision announce publicly \? ms myers n't make announcement people asked told members board n't make official announcement anybody 's interested certainly put list names q 'd like know q n't board members n't normally matter routinely put releases boards presidential appointment regardless dimension \? ms myers always , , i'm happy put q n't standard practice \? q past practice ms myers , i'm happy put 'll put list members board today q dee dee , n't want try fail let get swamp \( laughter \) really want know n't practice administration announcements made routinely \? ms myers think generally always 're happy put today q board , title , size board \? ms myers roughly dozen members board civilian board , although , obviously , retired military personnel board provide input intelligence policy president , chairman board admiral william crowe q recommend baird \? q 's name board \? ms myers 's president 's foreign intelligence advisory board , q 's qualification employed illegal alien \? \( laughter \) ms myers want answer question want make joke \? q let phrase another way n't appointment viewed pay back difficulty couple months ago \? ms myers 's q 's experience foreign intelligence \? ms myers 's experienced attorney , someone president believes competent qualified think part mission board provide civilian input everybody board supposed intelligence expert board 's mission provide civilian input president makes decisions regarding intelligence matters believes 's qualified , competent person , enormously talented said throughout q imagination , discussion early abolishing president 's foreign intelligence advisory board \? ms myers n't think december 24th , announced foreign policy advisors announced would appointed admiral crowe head board n't believe 's ever q earlier , transition ms myers , n't believe announced , , december 24th admiral crowe could n't , announced q members paid \? ms myers n't believe , 'll double check q another subject , waco , explain discrepancy federal reports autopsies bodies coming waco state \? guess 's texas ranger reports ms myers information coming federal information coming site clearly , 's discrepancies justice department looking officials justice department told , believe day yesterday , several bodies found bullet holes think 's discrepancy , justice department looking q president going get involved trying sort seems becoming morass , people withdrawing , others saying 're charge , others justice , fbi , texas rangers grabbing piece \? ms myers n't know 's going try dispute mean , 'll let know 's anything intends know , several levels investigation ongoing , 're hopeful work together q one agency official charge everything \? ms myers n't know 'll get back q subject matter sunday 's speech \? ms myers 's going fairly general n't think 's going specific announcements think 's going sort q topic 's going talk \? ms myers 're still working would n't look announcements , like , drug czar something like q sort 100 days speech , sort excellent adventure 100 days \? \( laughter \) ms myers exactly , think 'll take little bit broader look 's happened last q foreign , domestic \? ms myers little bit , think lot domestic q overview ms myers yes , overview specific policy announcement q agreement yet forum president address gay rights march sunday \? ms myers letter read crowd nancy q available \? ms myers yet , sure q going put ms myers 'll probably put sunday q travel next week \? ms myers unclear q question \? q likely \? ms myers n't q likely \? possible \? ms myers possible q 's possible \? ms myers travel q george mentioned yesterday campaign finance reform national service legislative proposals next week days yet \? ms myers yet q tell us order \? ms myers campaign finance reform first national service later week q coverage tomorrow \? ms myers q report aftermath day \? ms myers readout day \? q readout ms myers 's possible jeff think go president day n't expect photo op anything , departure morning q dee dee , president made regular practice , predecessors , going camp david fact , 's twice \? ms myers twice q weekend \? ms myers went two weekends ago , know , way home father law 's funeral think found good experience nice way spend time together family opportunity q 's march q nothing march \? ms myers q since 's going town sunday morning instead jamestown , thought making quick pass , fly \( laughter \) ms myers 'll fly straight boston q flying straight say \? \( laughter \) q george took question yesterday waco president said tuesday rose garden minor disagreement tactics military advisors fbi question whether knew exactly whether related use particular kind tear gas answer \? ms myers n't 'll check press thank end10 59 edt
mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 31 article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes n't understand matt williams demonstrated throughout career wait good pitches hit wo n't take walks 'd rather swing i'm opposing pitcher , would fastball williams hit well , know williams swing \( miss , least hit well \) low away curve \? matt 's problem really ability attitude n't 's got mind wants swing away , rather 's \( still \) total sucker curve ball looked 1990 getting better 's still weak point whether good bonds behind , net stat probably tell 's reason , thinks , might self fulfilling prophecy whether giants' lineup optimal knows \? batting bonds , team 's best hitter , fifth seem odd , 1 2 hitters n't exactly oba , n't giving much although clark n't overall offensive force bonds , seems better suited 3 spot assuming , course , starts hitting one days michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 suppliers software developers data 408 996 1974
dempsey stsci edu subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days lines 46 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article str access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article 1993may14 1 stsci edu dempsey stsci edu writes real world ca n't science like politics well , unfortunately good pr keep coming know makes rocket ships fly \? funding , makes fly bucks , buck rogers \) ok , proven saw right stuff however , said , takes politics pr keep bucks coming politics , bucks , buck rogers think missing point agency gathered data something tax dollars spent , data property people us government government may charge recover cost , may charge maintain data , cannot claim data proprietary , unless classified national security data yes may true case science data coming spacecraft stuff operations however , still stuff regarding regular operation belongs company ever legal right keeping mean everything swept umbrella company data live road nih run studies time go library raw data study done bring roll quarters wait year i'm saying guys n't internal rules , supported us law safeguard internal company data indeed supported us law dempsey
rdd uts ipp garching mpg de \( reinhard drube \) subject allergic reactions laser printers \? \? organization rechenzentrum der max planck garching lines 10 hello , anyone know allergic reactions caused developer toner laser printers \? chemical stuff involved \? thanks advance ! reinhard email rdd ipp garching mpg de
aaron minster york ac uk subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) distribution world organization department computer science , university york , england lines 18 mark mccullough \( mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \) wrote prove source says date , civilian death count \( er , excuse , mean collateral damage \) 200 , 000 never seen source claiming figure please post source reliability judged figure would simply deaths bombing , also death later disease \( sewer system baghdad deliberately targeted \) starvation believe \( get copy latest research june july \) figure proposed census bureau report matter report suppressed cb attempted sack author report , failed due procedural author permanent leave aaron turner
steph cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject ron gant , , hirschbeck organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 20 1993apr21 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes past , disputed strike call enough reason step batters box may good idea may even irritate umpire 've seen lot , 've seen tolerated time key words past everybody warned season began umpires instructed enforce rule interest speeding game see happening players , 'll post public apology mr hirschbeck , think case selective enforcement dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject oiler 's rumour team moving \? press conference next week organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 58 1993apr26 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes 's stopping pocklington going bank borrowing 41 million dollars pay treasury branch loans reading according recent tsn report peter puck paying interest treasury branch loans 's lot green somewhere pocklington business gross revenues 500 million per year n't think would much problem borrowing visa pay mastercard wanted , according tsn , virtually everything peter puck already course ca n't really sure pocklington point maximum advantage right basically right northlands \( creature city edmonton \) must give better deal era escalating salaries northlands city much eighties oilers wealth generated oilers success shared viability small market teams radically changed space couple years , oilers remain viable competitive , need much revenue stream concessions , parking , building advertising every professional sports franchise north america fair agreement shared wealth northlands sucking blood oilers franchise oiler rationale regarding player contracts deal deal sather spouted repeatedly contract northlands 1999 deal deal perhaps included income received sale assets \( players gretzky \) income received expansion fees revenues would n't losing money admitted pulling money oiler franchise put businesses oilers paid several times coliseum cost build , bring edmonton prestige recognition throughout world essentially nickel dime oilers northlands use revenue sucked oilers subsidize horse racing operations insanity think pocklington received ample provincial ca n't really blame going municipal certainly entitled pocklington sucked revenue oilers order prop failing business interests pocklington trusted doubt much oiler team ever make playoffs pocklington 's soon player shows competent expects paid accordingly shipped younger players draft picks cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
zippy cyberden sf ca us subject gif reply zippy cyberden sf ca us organization creations lines 11 far simply mapping logo whatever onto cube sphere , 's quite easy either copy gif want mapped map directory add map path directory currently go materials editor make new material bit map , voila h e b e r e n zippy cyberden sf ca us cyberden public access waffle usenet system 415 472
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject waco organization temple university lines 7 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 saying government responsible death compound also say isrealis responsible death athletes olympics \? hey , palestinians dividians could given peacefully \( , monkey could fly wayne \) richard
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sgi lines 22 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr21 st andrews ac uk , nrp st andrews ac uk \( norman r paterson \) writes article 8mo fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr19 st andrews ac uk , nrp st andrews ac uk \( norman r paterson \) writes well , , i'm claiming moral system absolute jon list references stretching alpha centauri deleted jon thought impress references ! ok , n't claim absolute moral system claim objective one \? 'll assume answer yes , apologies 've spent two solid months arguing thing objective moral system exists jon
drake cs cmu edu \( drake \) subject rfd misc taoism nntp posting host seismo soar cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 58 article 1993apr21 679 megatek com tims megatek com writes let us limit n't limit something , discussion degenerates big amorphous hmm \? imposing limits something useful gives something go beyond seems questions properly fall category general metaphysics would prefer misc taoism deal closely topics works closely associated least semi orthodox taoism established classic works definitely included works like chia 's argued ! tend bit critical taoism especially tend suggestion orthodoxy classics special place tao think neo taoism excluded get group \( mean humpty dumpty taoism , taoism means whatever poster says means \) alt taoism could also refuge debates taoism really means speculations sexual alchemy , etc rather debate taoism really means suggesting take someone else 's word work \? 'd rather , thank 's happening term taoism becoming completely polluted trivialized like words magic , alchemy , zen , etc , writers word mean whatever want seen new age books entitled tao , , everything else whereas , course , clear idea word means \? tell tao \? \) comments ideas \? look forward seeing balance , say let misc taoism rip let chips fall may wonderful idea gets filled college asking tao sex failure people post groups choose define failure way define believe flesh , seeing hearing feeling miracles , part tag miracle walt whitman
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject want billion organization u toronto zoology lines 27 article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes 's , buy titans , prize money entire return investment develop new launch system , uses , prize icing cake unless 're martin marietta , since \( recall \) bought gd line aerospace products think 've got one error memory \) mm bought satellite building side ge e , mm gd still competitors mm gd house project , costs would look much better buying list price better , yes , 're talking order magnitude \( especially want use titan iv , belongs usaf , mm \) c'mon allen telling us cheap get improved sure , get launcher fairly cheap privately rather gummint project 're still talking something cost nine digits per launch , unless guarantee large market justify volume production svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
bday lambda msfc nasa gov \( brian day \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization nasa msfc lines 13 rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload hst really much heavier spacelab \? \? \? bd brian day bday lambda msfc nasa gov new technology , inc \( 205 \) 461 mission software development division opinions
brifre1 ac dal ca subject potvin stick organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 38 article netnews upenn edu , kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) writes prefer watch hockey seeing shots felix potvin slashing spearing dino standing front net every right stand front net , crease ! yes , , goalie sure hell n't want ! played roller hockey \( boy miss days \) goalie , would scream defense clear guys slot n't care 's crease , get hell away see ball ! \( yes , roller hockey , remember \) nobody around clear slot , 'd pushing offending player hard hate people way i'm goalie , sure felix say n't see incident , potvin really swung stick big time , 's right , move people way 's player ice , know \) keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! corner let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! weighing almost every weight imaginable life , surrounds blues traveler , 1993 agree wholeheartedly view n't like see stickwork , clear players away front personal favorite move \( i'm goalie \) give player good whack back skates ref n't looking makes 'em go like ton bricks , n't cause injuries unless n't know fall \( i'm talking hitting blades , foot \) also makes player hit anyone sees really mad apt take stupid retaliation penalty unfortunately , also leaves position short time n't shot likely short side hmm maybe mail potvin method \( french helpful diagrams , course \) sure would nice see \( great deal respect , btw , 's big guy , plays huge ! \) fall back times ! \) barfly
lazlo carina unm edu \( lazlo \) subject waco burning organization international fear club lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host carina unm edu russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes idea kerosene lamps would place \( electricity cut \) makes sense idea ramming tanks building would spill cause fire makes sense idea cs gas canister get hot enough ignite dry hay lazlo \( lazlo triton unm edu \)
cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) subject price cuts organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 10 reply cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu heard magic date price drop number apple products june 30th anyone second rumour \? motion picture major brooks institute photography , ca santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur , malaysia mind forerunner states
msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) subject floopy drives update ! nntp posting host mik uky edu reply msunde01 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 19 article clover csv warwick ac uk csulo csv warwick ac uk \( mr j brown \) writes hopefully sort bad 9 quid \( normally pardon ignorance foreign currency exchange rates , quid , relate british pound \( whatever 's called \) american dollars \? \? \? \) thanks ! mark underwood ee student , university kentucky lab assistant , boyd hall microlab \( tiny little division uk library microlabs \) e mail msunde01 mik uky edu
cek sdc boeing com \( conrad kimball \) subject problem r4 release organization boeing computer services , seattle , wa lines 48 nntp posting host zulu article mcgary mojo intellection com , mcgary intellection com \( mike mcgary \) writes article news u washington edu pramod stein u washington edu \( pramod \) writes ld unidentified external symbol get wmshellwidgetclass get applicationshellwidgetclass use lxaw lxmu lxext lx11 lxt order proper order wondering changes link libraries include libraries help matter useful highly appreciated get put bstatic options goes away things seem run ok without must called often faq subject 96 \) ! link problem libxmu sunos 4 1 23 \? sunos 4 1 2 sun fixed shared library bug ld conflicts way x builds shared xmu library , causing symbols , notably , undefined building x11 clients get wmshellwidgetclass get applicationshellwidgetclass compiling bstatic lxmu bdynamic appears work solve problem using openwindows 3 0 \( x11r4 based xt \) , please contact local sun office request following patches patch description 02 4 1 x openwindows 3 0 libxt jumbo patch 03 4 1 x openwindows 3 0 undefined symbols using shared libxmu greg earle , earle sun com 7 92 source patch use mit x11r4 libraries developed conrad kimball \( cek sdc boeing com \) r4 fixes made r5 get around problem patch export 1 93 contrib x11r4 sunos4 1 2 patch version3 z conrad kimball client server tech services , boeing computer services cek sdc cs boeing com p box 24346 , ms 7a 35 \( 206 \) 865 seattle , wa 98124 0346
graham toal gtoal gtoal com subject let 's build software cryptophones internet originator gtoal pizzabox demon co uk nntp posting host pizzabox demon co uk reply graham toal gtoal gtoal com organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines 21 article gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) writes tried code yesterday sparcstation elc takes 300 seconds compress 22 seconds' worth speech means needs optimized factor 10 usable even half duplex mode ouch ! thanks trying question whether celp best approach application produces great compression expense tremendous cpu loads want something run ordinary workstations even high end pc 's without dsp cards guess algorithm going better starting point yes i'm sure comp speech made , 've found low sample rate \( 3300 samples sec 8 bits per sample \) plus pd lossless sound compression code actually get speech 14 4k left definitely worth working , folks shorten works well real time g
nessie mcc ac uk \( ian hawkins \) subject making odd resistor values required filters organization manchester computing centre lines 14 constructing active filters , odd values resistor often required \( e something like 3 14 k ohm resistor \) \( seems best choose common capacitor values cope strange resistances demanded \) pd program work best make resistance , given fixed resistors standard 12 values per decade \? \( 1 , 1 2 , 1 5 , 1 8 , 2 2 , 3 3 etc \) common enough problem , yet cant recall program tells rx ry rz gives rq , starting q finding prefered values x , z cheers ian h
mckee cs buffalo edu \( douglas mckee \) subject sorry folks \( read \) distribution na organization state university new york buffalo cedar research group lines 50 originator mckee cs buffalo edu nntp posting host cs buffalo edu article 1993apr22 28445 ucsu colorado edu , andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes article 1993apr21 9999 ucsu colorado edu andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes \( date 1 26 93 \) note clinton 's statements encryption 3rd paragraph guess statement n't contradict said , though cut washington \( upi \) war drugs get fresh start , president clinton told delegates national federation police convention washington first speech drug issue since , clinton said planned escalation drug war make everything far seem half hearted practical found source article joke heh heh seemed pretty damn convincing start n't notice smiley end article , hints caught well , n't hoot ! \) read group bunch ppl fearing information big bad evil govt happens case ordinary joe netter , decided would create distribute misinformation ppl buy bs posts like \( know , forwarded copy post office mate , turned around \( although wo n't admit sorry joe ! \) ready get fight f r f e u r e ! ! ! \) please , 're going hold govt \( admittedly still problems \) high standards , must n't follow \? electronic freedoms go far anyway guess turn resemble clinton 's true feelings least extent sorry marc andersom spot colorado edu hey , i'm willing forgive course office mate takes extra anti paranoia pills ! \) doug mckee mckee cs buffalo edu
mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality reply frank d012s658 uucp 's message 21 apr 1993 09 38 43 gmt organization unorganized usenet postings uninc x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 151 horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp writes deletia case anybody n't noticed , frank debating objective morality , seemingly hitting semantics secondly , refute definition \? point logical implications , say seem contradict usage word objective areas indeed , definition , objective x oxymoron , x quibble belief , useless , objective perfectly good word may , non native english speaker , 've misunderstood usage objective , tried debate something n't assert apologies i'm loss imagine really mean , though many ages universe , still internally self consistent \? 'd amazed one many different moral systems different members society indeed , single individuals , cases humanity still stick together \? begging question people many opinions age universe humanity still stick together saying universe real age , independent beliefs \? wrong point age universe direct effect humanity 's sticking power , way moral system society i'm saying universe real age , see evidence , astronomy say age independent people 's opinions , know different people lot different opinions matter , yet empirical tests consistently seem give roughly results age universe , like scientific facts , verified means 'll give result matter performs testing \( albeit error bars may side \) assumes universe real age , kind reality n't depend think ca n't see put creationist task performing tests calculations , see \( \) makes blatant errors measuring calculating , result test extreme biblical creationist give rat 's ass means speak \? logically consistent empirical tests contradict opinion tests opinion , tests \( would opinion \) would contradict mine , even conducted said tests identical manner , \? n't , take showing tests validity beyond opinion 've heard way verify morality consistent way , much less compute errors measurement care enlighten \? true pain , exist , predicted work accuracy better random guess map activity nerves neural activity , mean physical pain sharp point , 'll give still n't given way quantify morality wrote elsewhere morality hypotheses observed value agree hypotheses , however , change hold ultimate hypothesis morality towards changes could , could changed way imaginable , producing different results suitable different tasks purposes moral system makes prediction better , tested , better worse \( almost \? \) always defined context moral system prediction always correct , within moral system need objective definition good bad wish luck people 's ideas age object x objective idea like , ca n't stop ages another ballgame , dislike detail , 's problem opinion sure assume objective reality , get statements like n't 're , assuming objectively real morality \? besides , exactly provably wrong statement \? claim morality opinion , subjective individual i'm wrong , less objectively real thing exists , label objective morality back positive claim existence \? back positive claim \? 's 's assumption make assumption values , basis logical difference two , empirical basis two precisely claiming objective morality suddenly positive claim \? besides , think lend credence claim ponder different individuals , fully functional human beings members society , yet wildly different moral codes morality objective , least one way base , yet morality seems function fine come \? producing individuals , might easiest pick different societies say , islamic one system , example \( still exist \) deletia testing take look morality see anything \? , please inform way look , look particular way , opposed get drift \? look claiming never know good means \? one thing good circumstances , wish achieve goal , reason times wish something else , thing longer clearly good things hard make good , 'd seldom ever wish achieve sort goal mass murder would lead one still , fine wiped almost always know good means sometimes even know never claim good thereby fixed stone , immutable 's simple \( \? \) matter proving track record scientific method think 's great , applied values may completely wrong , 's conclude result quite amount thought yes , , 've tried thing two line n't look good objective values disclaimer \? 's great young insane !
dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) subject christian morality reply dps nasa kodak com organization eastman kodak company lines 54 nntp posting host 129 126 121 55 article ousrvr oulu fi , kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote love god much loves wants seduce , 'll know would probably consider rape simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know argument type 'll know try yet many atheists sincerely tried , believed many years , eventually honest enough admit lived virtual reality obviously many christians tried believe \? learn must accept n't know mean \? learn must accept n't know something , right learn must accept something n't know , \? way prefer learn unwise merely swallow everything read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn \( tm \) helped daily problems , would accept , since ca n't know whether true \? one asks swallow everything , fact jesus warns let ask question beleive learn history class , matter anything school mean 's people told n't want swallow others say right \? life , death , resurection christ documented historical fact much anything else learn choose believe \? could argue george washington myth never lived n't proof except told however major events life jesus christ hundreds years neat trick uh \? way get sceptical heart say given sincere effort attitude seem must trust , go church participate 's activities ever willing die believed \?
steveg bach udel edu \( steven n \) subject 200 meg western digital ide hard drive sale ! nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 5 selling western digital 212 meg ide hd , caviar 2200 model access time 15 ms , built cache brand new , still original static bag asking 275 , obo
sean michael cmu edu subject porting athena widgets xview \? organization senior , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 12 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu checked faq first , luck need convert r5 tree widget use xview v3 0 problem fact xview uses event loop system , wondering anyone tips \( converted source \) converting thanks , sean \( cmu edu \)
lmvec westminster ac uk \( william hargreaves \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university westminster lines 20 muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) writes nt , clear references paul 's letters rom 1 , passage presupposes homosexuality evil note passage n't homosexuality 's idolatry homosexuality visited people punishment , least result , idolatry number arguments passage use word homosexuality , referring people nature heterosexual practicing homosexuality 's 'd call explicit teaching homosexuality 's like saying murder wrong us n't natural murders , stealing wrong us n't natural thieves dallas cowboys world champions 1992 93
htsa aha nl \( h \) subject rams roms ale latches \( 8051 's \) organization van amsterdam , netherlands , e e c dept keywords 8051 , 373 , lines 21 article ucnv edu au jeff redgum ucnv edu au \( j \) writes hello , asked year ago , still looking getting sick use n't catch posting one year ago , presume like leave extra latch \? \( presume allready know couldnt question , could \? \) student project , nice device , 's integration one single \( 44 plcc think \) package contained rom , ram , lines programmable far recall , hooked directly mcs 51 series neat huh \? needs programming assembly , n't suitable project perhaps usefull \( future \) plans \? greetings !
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject cure dry skin \? organization um anesthesiology lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxdate fri , 30 apr 93 22 41 44 gmt article 1993apr30 pbs org , pbs org writes matter fact , saw dermatologist day , seeing dermatologist sounds like good idea worried dry skin mackie opinions
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject gun buy back organization hand held products , inc lines 122 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article 1993apr22 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs hopefully impact accidental shootings \( especially youths \) , domestic disputes gun available heat emotion anger , maybe keep guns stolen later used street level crime gives idea gun buyback programs impact things \? evidence , please \? please n't saying joe making point tha evidence effect gun buyback programs hopefully effect may prevent injuries deaths one types common incidents 're research associate urban child research , perhaps comment us ratio accidental gun death rate rate accidental death single causes \? follow perhaps sort justification amount effort anti gunners spend trying convince country accidental gun related death among children u serious problem firearms fifth leading cause unintentional deaths among children ages 14 n't understand ratio accidental deaths important guns n't kill many children car accidents difference severity 1 , 000 deaths 10 , 000 deaths \? trying use accidental gun related deaths among children justification gun control needs convinced accidental gun deaths children serious problem \? assumed humane person would concerned 10 year old got hold parents gun bedroom drawer accidently blew away one friends death serious wanna discuss match control \? firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 fault one negligent persons , gun anything , gun buyback programs symbolic offerings community sense , think might little good please explain think symbolic offerings good point , gun buyback programs almost always run police departments might \( stress might \) little \( stress little \) good giving people impression police attempting respond interpersonal gun violence unique way overall , thought made clear think gun buyback programs useful providing false hope , , intent \? know vast majority guns used youths brought school youths daily basis \( 135 , 000 youths \) obtained easily quickly , personal friend , often borrowed parent without knowledge suggest go back look wherever saw statistics suspect 'll find look carefully 135 , 000 number students estimated carried weapon \( necessarily gun \) school least past year , number students carry gun school daily well joe , suggest talk center prevent handgun violence centers disease control look carefully see greatly underestimate presence guns lives youths cphv reports 135 , 000 youth bring guns school daily 400 , 000 bring guns school least year cdc estimates 1 0f 25 high school students carried gun school least 1990 cdc also says 1 2 million elementary aged , latch key children \( kids come home school empty house \) , access guns home california schools reported 200 increase student gun 1986 1990 , 40 increase 1988 1990 florida reported 61 percent increase gun incidents schools 1986 87 amd 1987 88 statistics 200 increase california schools , eh \? gun control working fine , ! thus willing follow man claimed messiah \( got news folks , big cheese crazy planet presently , would carrying gun holding children danger \) holding kids \? time reality check , son kids children people inside believed forces evil outside waiting kill would send children door believed \? okay , maybe worded wrong dad meant put children situation \( fortified compound \) harm could come act messiah opinion i'm saying koresh control children directly , would hope whatever messiah would let innocent children die claimed messiah people followed , tell parents free children instead letting burn alive \? thanks reality check joe , real religion different make wrong \? even assuming koresh actually made decision , verdict still rodney jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject doctrine original sin organization indiana university lines 44 article may 11 02 38 56 1993 athos rutgers edu eugene bigelow ebay sun com writes st augustine said , invent original sin , catholic faith holds ancient time , deny , without doubt follower new heresy \( de , lib 11 c 12 \) fair punish , rest humanity adam eve \? suppose parents committed crime born one day cops come door throw jail would really think fair \? know would n't may think fair , many sins know affect sinner \? fair us even able get heaven \? right heaven , even lead sinless lives \? anyway , argument seems saying , god , certainly would n't things way therefore , god n't things way isaiah 55 8 9 thoughts thoughts , neither ways ways , saith lord heavens higher earth , ways higher ways , thoughts thoughts original sin biblical romans 5 12 14 wherefore , one man sin entered world , death sin death passed upon men , sinned \( law sin world sin imputed law nevertheless death adam moses , even sinned adam 's transgression , figure come 1 corinthians 15 22 adam die , even christ shall made alive steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
oracle com subject speakers forsale distribution usa organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca lines 37 nntp posting host us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle home speakers \( hear inc \) model ii floor tower speaker system model ii pair 3 way design 3 4 , 6 5 mid range , two 6 5 low bass impedance 8 ohms \( minimum 4 ohms \) , cross points 100hz 3 2 khz frequency response rated rated efficiency power rating 35 200 watts per channel black finish magnetic shielded perfect surround sound front speakers audio speakers retail 850 00 , asking 500 obo , year old , rarely used , excellent like new condition bose 301 book shelf speakers , black , perfect condition , like new , paid 350 00 , asking 220 00 firm b \( bang \) satellite speakers , white brand new box , paid 450 00 350 00 obo yamaha center center paid 125 , asking 80 00 firm , like new yamaha rear channel speakers surround sound paid 150 , asking 99 00 , like new car speakers boston acoustic 861 seperates \( car audio speakers \) , 6 woofers seperate brand new box , never installed , 259 00 good guys asking 199 00 firm 2 8 mtx free air woofers , new box , never installed paid 49 00 good guys asking 70 00 firm
flick cwis unomaha edu \( john anderson \) subject vga opinions organization university nebraska omaha lines 12 wondering anyone opinions svga card purchased one due great price boasts 16 7 million true colors , 1mb onboard know anything card , please respond via mail , group tends overwhelming times posts thanks advance ! ! ! john anderson views expressed usually u nebraska omaha , occasionally someone omaha , nebraska , usa internet flick cwis unomaha edu usually 100 correct !
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 22 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes n't care , much effort put promoting 10 lie \? important scare politicians obedience perhaps change name clayton mr logic \( ! \) cramer ! please give evidence statement shut believe may answered elsewhere , amongst clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
mokler desert berlin de \( claudius mokler \) subject find diamond speedstar 24x drivers \? organization private site lines 11 subject says nearly everything talking accellerator card \( note 'x' \) , et4000 product \( without 'x' \) please mail address appropriate ftp server thanx claudius mokler e mail mokler desert berlin de
mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject amusing atheists anarchists organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 31 article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes mccullou whipple cs wisc edu writes line atheists something sleeves seemed imply sorry , reading much clipper project lately , paranoia may \) clipper project btw \? clipper initiative announcement clinton secure voice phones use crypto chip , de facto government standard problem , government admitting hold keys break code easily , justice department using keys listen illegal activities many people really scared initiative major step towards outlawing real crypto protection things like email read press release project developed nsa given nist uses two keys s1 s2 government claims needed break code claim keys handed two different companies , get warrant wiretap \( chip wiretap chip \) , get keys companies people poked holes press release official version shown nowhere near nice sounds , given simplified version people sci crypt really scared proposal seems mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
hawk cs ukans edu \( unknown class user \) subject macintosh weenies suck scsi disks ! ! ! article hawk distribution usa organization university kansas computer science dept lines 3 think subject title says anybody relies scsi dick pain ass ! !
sdcc13 ucsd edu \( oleg \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization university california , san diego lines 23 nntp posting host sdcc13 ucsd edu article cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes 120 hp produced fj1100 engine , 12 hp \( 745 7 watts \) 1 hp 8 948 dumped 220 tiny rings \? 's 40 67 watts per ring ! seems little hot , think \? chuck rogers car377 torreys att com , hey , like , work way \? like , know , strap generator route output chain , could increase horsepower \? 32 meters sec pretty nice , , 'd still like able blow away goldwing without going dod 388 big l'audace n't blame , voted libertarian
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject islam sufism \( move islam discussions \) organization monash university , melb , australia lines 18 \( short reply kent sandvik 's post strange somehow sufism related islam , seem quite different \) one really understands islam , strange sufism associated fact , sufism \( general \) seen inner dimension islam one roots word islam submission islam denotes submission god sufism complete submission god imaginable , oneself god \( path , read lot recently discussing number things others path \) fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? reply agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 8 response request biblical reference satan fallen angel clh isaiah 14 12 common reading passage 's referring king babylon , using language ironically , claims clh
clarke acme ucf edu \( thomas clarke \) subject vandalizing sky organization university central florida lines 19 come , sci space orbital billboard wo n't permanent damage years probably hit los angles anyway \) boost space commerce orbital advertising might provide might speed day possible dark skies get really dark skies beyond dust producing zodiacal light , wanted paint symbol moon , would give pause would difficult reverse widespread application thomas clarke institute simulation training , university central fl research parkway , suite 300 , orlando , fl \( 407 \) 658 , fax \( 407 \) 658 , clarke acme ucf edu
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject final solution gaza \? nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 58 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes basically three alternatives gaza gaza \? purposely separating west bank \? , separate people territories \? , addressing gaza \? 1 throw jews sea basically make leave middle east go back came \( russia , europe , usa , etc \) means , continue list etc reason particularly bring many middle eastern west asian countries fact adds important element consideration resolution arab israel conflict 2 throw gazans sea , accordance yitzhak rabin 's wish many zionists explained sea meant regard israelis jews , please case 3 israelis palestinians come honorable fair \( n't attempt say \) settlement , \? better ask would mean north american tribes would returned lands , pre islamic tribes would take back lands islamic invaders , get kick uk , central south american tribes get kick spanish descendents thier lands , returned land last possessed , find stole point , every culture stole land previous occupants would allow person live dignity country freedom equality wait ! refer palestinians , happened gaza \? opt third alternative folks \? know , people would choose third alternative , since done past , perhaps would initiate things presenting vision resolution , however , worries \( , worries \) resonable expectations parties considered elias tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
tholen galileo ifa hawaii edu \( dave tholen \) subject new planet kuiper object found \? organization institute astronomy , hawaii distribution sci lines 13 james nicoll writes new kuiper belt object called 'karla' , next one called 'smiley' , , ! previous one called smiley 1992 qb1 smiley , 1993 fw karla note neither name official seems aversion designation scheme way , 1992 qb1 never known smiley officially , moniker already assigned asteroid number
david c cat uucp \( dave \) subject courier vs sportster organization intergalactic rest area weary travellers lines 27 cleveland freenet edu \( andy nicola \) writes previous article , cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) says difference us robotics courier v32bis external sportster 14400 external \? see price sportster dropped 200 price courier remains 400 anyone knowledge modems anyone owns courier \? sportster 14 4 v 42 error control v 42 bis data compression becoming standard high speed modems difference courier , run 16 8 hst mode run dual standard hst \( usr modem 600 \) 14 , 400 compression error correction , much v 32 v 32bis v 42 v 42bis v 22 etc etc asl \( whatever asl \) david china cat bbs c cat ! david sed csc com \( 301 \) 604 5976 1200 14 , 400 8n1 uunet ! mimsy ! anagld ! c cat ! david
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject dc x publicity \? organization u toronto zoology lines 15 article 1993may11 bmerh85 bnr ca bnr ca writes seems bit project first time years promisses hope changing current trend massively overpriced boosting capability , lacks much publicity people involved building hardware rather writing press releases high manpower project n't spare people sitting around understand , also feeling part project management publicity good idea lot people working changing view , success svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu subject college atheists organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 34 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr20 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes read article poll done students ivy league schools reported third students atheists lot higher among general population wonder reasons discrepancy \? intelligent \? younger \? wave future \? would guess probably something ease ideas thoughts communicated college campus real world \( tm \) 's easier theists \( well , people general really \) lock little bubble see talk people opinion college constantly surrounded interact people different ideas life , universe , everything much much harder build bubble around keep everyone else 's ideas reaching , world theists forced contend listen atheists theists religions bound change beliefs four years nowhere run \) david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell nanci know \( sure \) author quote , please send email \( nm0w andrew cmu edu \) fate country depend kind paper drop ballot box year , kind man drop chamber street every morning
douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) subject lc ii slowdowns \? organization tfsquad public access usenet , st paul mn \( 1 612 291 \) lines 29 drg biomath mda uth tmc edu \( david gutierrez \) writes article tfsquad mn org douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) writes currently managing , among many labs , lab three lc iis , mac plus 45 mb external hd , laserwriter ii ntx problem \? lc iis seem intermittently slow snail 's pace happens intermittently macs department , ranging iisi 's quadra 950 end slowdown immediately unplugging ethernet cable mac seems something network puts packet storms every days storms effect making macs slow crawl thank much computers behave exactly like 're describing , question running lowest budgets , public education analyze \? need sort packet counter exist , \? thanks , andrew geweke douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) firing squad bbs , public access usenet mail news 1 612 291 saint paul , minnesota
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject maxima chain wax organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 20 article drutx att com pms torreys att com \( paul smith \) writes article rmugele oracle com rmugele oracle com \( robert \) writes 've tried locate place sells maxima chain wax dallas area anyone know retail outlet area mail order anywhere \? dallas area , bought \( 's best friend 's bike 1986 , mines got belt ! ! ! \) 6 79 \( 7 35 tax \) bates discount cycle parts service road farmers branch couple miles north 635 interchange dozen cans left neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject need clipper cheap security \? originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 20 pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) writes quoting pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) article 1993apr21 shearson com whats difference v 32bis modem v 32bis modem \? fast fastest modems go \? far voice compressed \? 've seen various assertions , anyone straightforward bits per second figures friend forever half friend \? motorola codex preliminary v fast modem \( right \) 24 4 kbps \( raw \) standard phone lines 28 8 kbps usually claimed final v fast , ca n't go buy right , standard n't done yet , voice compressed quite well 4000 8000 bps depending good want , requires dsp special asic real time think ! think ! little engine
jtsilla damon ccs northeastern edu \( james tsillas \) subject universal phones days \? article damon jtsilla organization northeastern university , boston , lines 11 reply kniha carson u washington edu 's message 26 apr 1993 16 19 26 gmt nntp posting host damon ccs northeastern edu sent 2400 baud modem cousin greece u working fine also worked u jim james tsillas jtsilla damon ccs northeastern edu work \( 508 \) 898 2800 , home \( 617 \) 641 jim hop pop , dr
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject mary 's assumption organization university nebraska lincoln lines 31 hate sound , shot mouth badly net , i'm afraid much material adds feeling assumption mary would better phrased assumptions mary time 've reading mary group , recall reading much mary sound like wishful scant , , scriptural foundation find new testament real portrait christ 's parents human persons honored admired humility submission god 's working , beyond doubt theories dogma accreted around gives image alien inhuman creatures , untouched sin human desire christ truly sanctified , even knew temptation , albeit without submitting also n't see necessity saying holy parents sanctified beyond normal humanity sounds like inability grasp immensity god 's grace incarnated dinary human wo n't start yelling people worshipping mary , etc , since folks told otherwise , think lose part wonder god 's incarnation christ make parents sinless , , , beings paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization summary oooh ! ! lines 21 article 1993apr23 dsd es com , bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes flaming tutorial novice another thing consider , like mexican food , lot folks mistake heat quality subtle references various personal qualities habits ancestry generally earn points four letter words caps lock key introducing new polysyllabic word \( , example \) likely insure small part flame become immortal ! 's blast past indeed ! 'd nearly forgotten strategic significance r lore 's really good see proudly displayed , although i'm sure carbs spooge rama long disuse gosh , i'm tingling ! \) chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
giaec cc monash edu au \( brett paterson \) subject 386 ram work 486 \? lines 21 organization monash university campus , victoria , australia wanting upgrade 386sx 25 , 486dx 33 , looking cheap quote someone offering 486dx 33 motherboard , ram \( probably sell old board somewhere \) , 4 meg ram 386 , consists 4 x 9 module simms , running 70 nanoseconds would encounter problems pointed areas , throwing one computer \? comments gratefully \( e mail preferred \) appreciated brett paterson email giaec cc monash edu au , victoria , australia
djh4484 zeus tamu edu \( , daniel joseph \) subject gun control organization texas university , academic computing services lines 53 distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu , cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes article 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu \( john lawrence rutledge \) wrote article gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) writes second amendment guarantee right bear arms clearly unequivocally , without infringement saw nifty drawn posting thought might give two little help problem know posted , \( foolish thing gave much shit last time tried post \) took liberty deleting header single quote hope n't mind written second ammendment states rather clearly anyone read following well regulated militia , security free state , right people keep bear arms shall infringed regulated \? regulated means controlled ! security \? well hey ! would along lines feeling safe would n't \? wow ! concept forming n't ! \? left \? right people people people people people people people \( sorry got kinda \) shall infringed oops ! backup , hmmm infringed 'd like interfered , altered , changed watered way , shape form ! ! 's big old long winded version would well controlled militia , necessary secure safe feeling state , right people keep bear arms shall fucked way shape form happy ass good nothing government building wants run life pursuit happiness ! item clear concise 's present form young friend ! need clarification ammendment guarantees continued existence others 's whole purpose give people recourse military machine government fails properly represent 's creators ! us ! james madison , federalist paper 41 \( regarding general welfare clause \) nothing natural common first use general phrase , explain qualify recital particulars replies comments sent kane djh4484 rigel tamu edu representative government need fear 's armed citizens death tyrants ! thing fear !
cs purdue edu \( carl \) subject nhl scoring leaders organization purdue university department computer sciences lines 235 distribution world nntp posting host cs purdue edu nhl 's leaders goals points end 1992 3 season , much thanks joseph achkar carl notes active player player scored least one point past season points leaders follow goal leaders find mistakes , please send email time nhl leading goal scorers \( denotes active player \) 1 gordie howe det hfd 801 2 wayne gretzky edm la 765 3 marcel dionne det la nyr 731 4 phil esposito chi bos nyr 717 5 bobby hull chi wpg hfd 610 6 mike gartner wsh min nyr 583 7 mike bossy nyi 573 8 guy mtl nyr que 560 9 johnny det bos 556 10 maurice richard mtl 544 11 stan chi 541 12 frank tor det mtl 533 13 michel goulet que chi 532 14 jari kurri edm la 524 15 bryan trottier nyi pit 520 16 gilbert buf 512 17 jean mtl 507 18 mcdonald tor col cgy 500 19 jean ratelle nyr bos 491 20 norm det tor 490 21 dino ciccarelli min wsh det 485 22 darryl sittler tor phi det 484 23 mario lemieux pit 477 24 glenn anderson edm tor 459 25 alex det 456 26 mark messier edm nyr 452 27 dale hawerchuk wpg buf 449 28 rick nyr bos 448 29 steve yzerman det 445 30 peter stastny que nj 444 31 rick vaive van tor chi buf 441 32 joe mullen stl cgy pit 433 33 yvan mtl 428 34 dave taylor la 427 35 steve mtl la 424 36 denis savard chi mtl 423 37 bill barber phi 420 38 brian propp phi bos min 413 39 gary unger tor det stl atl la edm 413 40 rod gilbert nyr 406 41 steve larmer chi 406 42 john ogrodnick det que nyr 402 active players bernie nicholls la nyr edm nj 397 pat lafontaine nyi buf 386 brian bellows min mtl 382 dave andreychuk buf tor 373 tim kerr phi nyr hfd 370 bobby smith min mtl 357 brett hull cgy stl 356 luc robitaille la 353 mike foligno det buf tor 351 dave christian wpg wsh bos stl chi 340 paul coffey edm pit la det 330 brent sutter nyi chi 325 pat verbeek nj hfd 318 ron francis hfd pit 311 cam neely van bos 292 ray bourque bos 291 bob carpenter wsh nyr la bos tor 285 brent ashton van col nj min que det wpg bos cgy 284 doug gilmour stl cgy tor 277 rick tocchet phi pit 277 kevin dineen hfd phi 275 tomas sandstrom nyr la 273 dale hunter que wsh 269 ryan walter wsh mtl van 264 brian mullen wpg nyr sj nyi 260 ed olczyk chi tor wpg nyr 260 kirk muller nj mtl 258 joe nieuwendyk cgy 257 jimmy carson la edm det 254 time nhl scoring leaders \( denotes active player \) 1 wayne gretzky edm la 765 2 gordie howe det hfd 801 1049 1850 3 marcel dionne det la nyr 731 1040 4 phil esposito chi bos nyr 717 873 5 stan chi 541 926 6 bryan trottier nyi pit 520 890 7 johnny det bos 556 813 8 guy mtl nyr que 560 793 9 gilbert buf 512 814 1326 10 alex det 456 825 1281 11 jean ratelle nyr bos 491 776 12 mark messier edm nyr 452 780 13 norm det tor 490 739 1229 14 peter stastny que nj 444 777 1221 15 jean mtl 507 712 16 dale hawerchuk wpg buf 449 763 1212 17 bobby clarke phi 358 852 1210 18 paul coffey edm pit la det 330 871 1201 19 denis savard chi mtl 423 769 20 jari kurri edm la 524 666 1190 21 mario lemieux pit 477 697 1174 22 bobby hull chi wpg hfd 610 560 1170 23 bernie federko stl 369 761 24 mike bossy nyi 573 553 1126 25 michel goulet que chi 532 590 1122 26 darryl sittler tor phi det 484 637 1121 27 mike gartner wsh min nyr 583 524 28 frank tor det mtl 533 570 1103 29 ray bourque bos 291 806 1099 30 dave taylor la 427 635 1062 31 denis potvin nyi 310 742 1052 32 henri richard mtl 358 688 1046 33 steve yzerman det 445 595 1040 34 bobby smith min mtl 357 679 1036 35 rod gilbert nyr 406 615 1021 36 glenn anderson edm tor 459 559 1018 37 mcdonald tor col cgy 500 506 1006 38 rick nyr bos 448 540 988 39 dave keon tor hfd 396 590 986 40 ron francis hfd pit 311 675 986 41 bernie nicholls la nyr edm nj 397 580 977 42 brian propp phi bos min 413 974 43 andy nyr tor det pit 349 624 973 44 maurice richard mtl 544 421 965 45 larry robinson mtl la 208 750 958 46 dino ciccarelli min wsh det 485 472 957 47 steve larmer chi 406 517 923 48 joe mullen stl cgy pit 433 486 919 49 bobby orr bos chi 270 645 915 50 brad park nyr bos det 213 683 896 51 butch goring la nyi bos 375 513 888 52 bill barber phi 420 463 883 53 dennis cal cle wsh min 356 521 877 54 ivan bos cal chi atl van det 361 505 866 55 yvan mtl 428 435 863 56 dean prentice nyr bos det pit min 391 469 860 57 ted lindsay det chi 379 472 851 58 tom atl chi 292 551 843 59 dale hunter que wsh 269 570 839 60 john tonelli nyi cgy la chi que 325 511 836 61 jacques mtl 366 469 835 62 larry murphy la wsh min pit 203 631 834 63 john ogrodnick det que nyr 402 425 827 64 doug wilson chi sj 237 590 827 65 doug gilmour stl cgy tor 277 548 825 66 red kelly det tor 281 542 823 67 pierre larouche pit mtl hfd nyr 395 427 822 68 bernie mtl nyr 393 429 822 69 steve mtl la 424 393 817 70 phil housley buf wpg 242 575 817 71 kc col tor que nyr buf pit 356 458 814 72 peter buf bos van nj 363 450 813 73 brian bellows min mtl 382 428 810 74 dave andreychuk buf tor 373 436 809 75 pit martin det bos chi van 324 485 809 76 pat lafontaine nyi buf 386 421 807 77 ken linesman phi edm bos 256 551 807 78 gary unger tor det stl atl la edm 413 391 804 79 ken hodge , sr chi bos nyr 328 472 800 80 neal broten min 249 547 796 81 wayne cashman bos 277 516 793 82 rick vaive van tor chi buf 441 347 788 83 borje salming tor det 150 637 787 84 jean pit atl wsh 391 383 85 peter det mtl pit 288 485 773 86 dave christian wpg wsh bos stl chi 340 430 770 87 rick kehoe tor pit 371 396 767 88 rick phi hfd pit det 349 410 759 89 thomas steen wpg 240 511 751 active players al macinnis cgy 185 555 740 luc robitaille la 353 371 724 mike foligno det buf tor 351 367 718 brent sutter nyi chi 325 389 714 mark howe hfd phi det 192 520 712 kirk muller nj mtl 258 433 691 tim kerr phi nyr hfd 370 304 674 adam oates det stl bos 167 490 657 randy tor pit wpg 148 499 647 ryan walter wsh mtl van 264 382 646 pat verbeek nj hfd 318 313 631 brent ashton van col nj min que det wpg bos cgy 284 345 629 bob carpenter wsh nyr la bos tor 285 337 622 brian mullen wpg nyr sj nyi 260 362 622 ed olczyk chi tor wpg nyr 260 358 618 kelly kisio det nyr sj 215 402 617 brett hull cgy stl 356 247 603 rick tocchet phi pit 277 324 601 dan quinn cgy pit van stl phi min 232 367 599 scott stevens wsh stl nj 132 462 594 tomas sandstrom nyr la 273 320 593 tom bos tor van 235 346 581 dave babych wpg hfd van 120 460 580 mike ridley nyr wsh 230 348 578 laurie boschman tor edm wpg nj ott 225 350 575 keith acton mtl min edm phi 224 350 574 murray craven det phi hfd 205 365 570 kevin dineen hfd phi 275 290 565 rob ramage col stl cgy tor min tb 139 423 562 mike krushelnyski bos edm la tor 234 319 553 gary suter cgy 124 428 552 pierre turgeon buf nyi 218 324 542 troy murray chi wpg 217 324 541 cam neely van bos 292 241 533 geoff courtnall bos edm wsh stl van 246 274 520 vincent damphousse tor edm mtl 195 320 515 jimmy carson la edm det 254 259 513 peter zezel phi stl wsh tor 182 328 510 guy carbonneau mtl 207 302 509 mark osborne det nyr tor wpg 202 301 503 chris chelios mtl chi 108 394 502 dave poulin phi bos 195 301 496 ray ferraro hfd nyi 230 263 493 russ courtnall tor mtl min 208 284 492 joe nieuwendyk cgy 257 234 491 john maclean nj 241 248 489
mksol dseg ti com \( aaron \) subject 3do \? organization texas instruments inc lines 13 names nerdc ufl edu lioness maple circa ufl edu writes someone please fill 3do thanks , bh review 3do latest wired magazine may want take trip local bookstore check \( 's cool pics \) \( n't read yet , 'd tell \) aaron
munoz sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( tomas munoz \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization mdssc distribution na lines 30 article 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu , dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes situation waco similar hostage situation madman holding gun head innocent person situation , person provokes madman causes pull gun 's trigger responsible death hostage janet reno blindly stumbled basically threw tear gas container madman hoping would release hostage 's surprise madman would pull trigger response kind provocation curiosity , else situation \? wait another 51 days weeks months years \? \? \? anything indicating children people going get alive \? tom munoz thought day one million one fish munoz sweetpea jsc nasa gov
jon cs uwa oz au \( jon nielsen \) subject centris 610 flaky \? nntp posting host organization dept computer science , university western australia lines 35 c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine 's recommending centris 610 anybody says consider centris 650 iivx \( would recommend iivx lciii n't know , 's said \) , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? jay scott scott cs uiuc edu sounds like dealer really wants get rid iivx 's stock imaging getting hard sell , given 1 c610 way faster , comparable price 2 lciii speed , way cheaper dealer may well trying hard convince people iivx 's much better buy c610 get rid old stock ! disrespect dealers iivx intended ! jon nielsen \( jon cs uwa edu au \) department computer science university western australia
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject kidney stones organization osu college osteopathic medicine lines 58 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu article 1993apr29 ux1 cts eiu edu , cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) writes student told today diagnosed kidney stones , one kidney , kidney infection upset condition misdiagnosed since last fall , ill time recent doctor 's appointment parents' hmo clinic , said forty ! x rays made kidney asked many x rays made , told technician need see area different views , says five x rays made angle could n't help feeling something must wrong procedure something pre med student feels could understood happening someone would explained nobody would , got worried also , told 300 ! surgery patients ahead cannot surgery august april supposed rest lot drink fluids go classes wonders given medicine plans call back doctor 's office clinic try get answers questions told would also write sci med see could find many x rays whether seems k wait line 3 months surgery something like whether looking elsewhere care plan get second opinion , pass info never hurts get information one source e mail post thanks alice opinion \( 's worth \) 40 x rays way many set number dental x rays chest x rays one given period time environmental factors cause cancer humans , radiation one potent \( splits dna causes free radical formation tissue cells \) \( like used seeing fetus uterus \) shown extremely good picking tumors prostate kidney tissue may dense ultrasound work kidney stones \( care comment \? \) stones pass \( 's painful process \) unlike , n't think many drugs help dissolve kidney stone \( probably calcium oxalate \) vitamin c magnesium worked rabbits remove calcium plaques wall idea diet change supplementation could speed process kidney stone passage \( i'm pretty confident diet change supplementation prevent \) surgery contemplated , stone must kidney second opinion good idea better \( less damaging \) ways break stone 's logged within kidney \( sonic blasts \) hmo 's notorious conservative care long waits treatments condolences friend marty b
nyx cs du edu \( robert rome \) subject need prozac info organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 8 i'm looking information regarding prozac used minor depression also information regarding drug helpful please send responses direct thanks ! nyx cs du edu
stssdxb st unocal com \( dorin baru \) subject strictly speaking organization unocal corporation lines 20 jake livni writes well 100 , 000 lebanon alone 1 , 000 , 000 2 , 000 , 000 iran iraq conflict , even iranians n't arabs , strictly speaking \( seem hate zionists least much anyone else neighborhood correlation perhaps hating israel killing people \? \) perhaps iranians arabs even strictly speaking \? dorin
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 96 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 1993apr20 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes reply frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) problem objectivist determine status moral truths method established accept judgements reports relate ought \( see naturalistic fallacy \) cannot proved facts nature world avoided least two ways \( 1 \) leaving good undefined , since anyone claims know either lying touch humanity undeserving reply good undefined \( undefinable \? \) require everyone know innately right , back subjectivism , begging question see \( 2 \) defining good solely terms terms ditto statement implies value judgement part person making , incorrect , question begging see point objectivist may talk 'self evident pretty , prof flew deny subjectivist 's claim self evidence mind beholder \? course denying subject object true dichotomy please explain helps n't see argument n't see seems rest assertion everything either subject object 's nothing compelling dichotomy might well divide world subject , object , event even seems sensible causation , example , event , subject object furthermore , subject object true dichotomy , e everything either subject object , statement self evident truth \? , 's mind beholder , according relativist , hardly compelling add fact world quickly shoved entirety subjective category idealist argument , perfectly good alternate set categories \( subject , object , event \) reduced \( subject , object , quality \) without logical difficulty yes , guess denying self evident truths mind beholder , left claim moral judgements true \? nothing , moral judgements true thing commonly referred nihilism entails science value , fact people find useful anyone arrives relativism subjectivism argument beats makes sense either flew arguing objectivist winds , subjectivist furthermore , believed nothing except science , materialism , revolution , people i'm referring ethical nihilism subjectivist may well feel remains moral judgements would wish associate hold moral opinion , suggests , know something true preferences regarding human activity preferences include terrorism , moral opinion true likewise , preferences include , moral opinion true one choose set preferences include one includes \? oh , reason patently absurd also position subjectivist , pointed already others ditch strawman , already , see reply mike cobb 's root message thread societal basis morality 've responded btw n't intend strawman , something logically relativism \( really ethical system values assumed unreal \) 's different say relativists say relativism implies frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
organization penn state university robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu subject blues sweep blackhawks ! 1993apr25 ramsey cs laurentian ca 1993apr25 wuecl wustl edu 93115 psuvm psu edu lines 24 article 93115 psuvm psu edu , robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu says \( michael sy \) says michael sy cec2 wustl edu \( devils consultant \) 'bout devils ! 4 1 penguins ! attention penguins fans pens win game 5 , show laughter e mail box address listed thanks ! \) attention penguins fans , apparently 99 999 understand joke \( hence \) next \) one idiot n't got pissed sent two hate e mails telling wrong intentions sending e mail anyone pens win tonight , really expect intend lead send poster e mail either serious request n't know \( probably \) n't thanks robbie po 1993 's streakers comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's pgh penguins see , wait devils 4 , penguins 1 1991 , 1992 stanley possibility , n't see penguins lead , 3 1 cup champions \) strong resemblance dg '89
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject dos 6 0 organization case western reserve university lines 27 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article 1993apr23 ucsu colorado edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes stacker , changes config sys autoexec bat meant rebooting twice could update necessary modify config sys real boot partition disk , manually copy c allow stacker boot likewise autoexec bat private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
adelaide edu au \( \) subject actix video card drivers windows organization university adelaide lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host crackle itd adelaide edu au keywords actix graphics accelerator 1993apr24 jarvis csri toronto edu wongda eecg toronto edu \( daniel h wong \) writes looking latest drivers actix graphics accelerator card driver currently using version 1 21 n't support 256 colors 1024x768 mode even 2mb memory bbs support actix unbelievable ! still using 2400bps modem ! take hours download drivers , hurts calling long distance ftp site collection video drivers windows \? btw , anyone using card , like far \? good drivers \? \? daniel h wong uoft \( 416 \) 978 1659 anybody actix listening \? upload dang drivers ftp site \? ! cheers , department mechanical engineering university adelaide south australia ph 61 8 228 61 8 224 e mail adelaide edu au
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject defending faith iv conference organization indiana university lines 121 enclosed advertisement defending faith iv conference held university \( ohio \) june 25 27 attended iii last year , plan go year would recommend highly catholic interested lots music , well known catholic speakers , fellowship , well friday sunday registration 85 per person , believe financial aid available need housing residence halls \( blessed chapel \) , desired , 30 person double occupancy two nights \( 30 total \) reservations also made nearby holiday inn think 47 night single room meals available cafeteria \( friday dinner sunday lunch \) 38 32 , without breakfast , respectively university located eastern ohio us route 22 , 1 2 mile west ohio river ohio route 7 greater pittsburgh international airport less one hour \( 35 miles \) campus feel free e mail question answer agenda , typed friend mine friday afternoon special reflections c lewis , preliminary session walter hooper walter hooper one foremost international experts writings c lewis 1963 , served secretary c lewis , since edited 18 literary works publication walter ordained priest church england 1965 , serving oxford , england , entered catholic church 1988 friday evening , opening session search truth finding fullness faith bishop fabian know rites hahn saturday morning means never say 're sorry karl keating c lewis catholic church walter hooper mass bishop , fr ray , saturday afternoon mystery excludes priesthood dr alice von hildebrand men make better fathers male priesthood dr peter saturday evening catholics hear gospel \? dr thomas howard catholic gospel saving sinners scott hahn sunday morning 's place like rome pilgrimage two protestant pastors panel mass fr ray , fr michael , tor , ad appeared catholic answer defending faith iv conference catholic church teaching know believe june 25 27 , 1993 times changed major catholic doctrines misunderstood attacked like never , believers need know reasons behind catholic church 's teaching first pope urged always ready give defense hope within \( peter 3 15 \) grab notebooks get ready spiritual intellectual weekend year 's conference confront hardest questions objections catholic faith deepen understanding church teaching scott hahn , dr thomas howard , karl keating , dr alice von hildebrand , dr peter , fr ray cut throught confusion doubt , better equipped give defense hope within join us defending faith iv , fourth series annual conferences designed strengthen life catholics others interested catholic faith help know believe call toll free today university 800 437 tent 614 283 , ohio steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 35 article mvo blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes think many reading group would also benefit knowing deviant view 've articulated \( may true view khomeini \) basic principles islam point ov view atheist , see claim khomeini n't practicing true islam i'm sure would said , member neither group , supposed able tell one two really true muslim \? good point already made clear claim khomeini advocates views qur'an given arguments something checked anyone sufficiently interested khomeini , dead , really ca n't respond , another poster supports khomeini responded clearly sophistry quite clear atheists less susceptible modes , answer question , way judge learning islam , reading qur'an understanding 's basic principles one done relatively easy see following principles islam acting way odds islam khomeini superhuman status twelve muslim historical leaders variance one basic principles islam , human different human sense closer god metaphysical nature gregg
dmunroe vcd hp com \( ha li \) subject bonding caged cop \? distribution rec motorcycles , ba motorcycles organization float bowl chinese food lines 16 oracle uucp \( kelley \) writes drove past , actually turned way around car seat see noticed , smiled ca n't life figure friendly 's dod license plate frame cops really like 'em either , mistook one friends , possibly duty cop dave need clothes , boots , motorcycle arnold schwarzenegger , t2
gallant oasys dt navy mil \( robert gallant \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) reply gallant oasys dt navy mil \( robert gallant \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 11 would gladly spend twice money insurance , rather using geico supply radar guns police also want make radar detectors illegal also ask detector \( probably put high risk group refuse insure \) know people geico due accident fault rob gallant oasys dt navy mil
les chinet chi il us \( leslie \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization chinet public access unix distribution na lines 21 article mpr mi org ken mi org writes i'm sure modem would work ok basic system , clearly work multi port system like mine since time worth aggravation cost modem , gave local charitable organization \( description problem \) ordered practical peripherals 14 4mt pc connection 30 , solid external modem built company know support users sold company \( based personal experience \) treat right problem known better , , buying external modem solve problem wanting 2 serial devices \? since pc supports two , blaming modem vendor problem \? n't see experience could different internal modem les les chinet chi il us
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject discordian subgenius books , addresses etc distribution world organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk lines 204 requested , addresses sources bizarre religious satire commentary plus book loompanics unlimited po box 1197 port townsend , wa usa publishers one infamous mail order book catalogue world , , libertarianism , , money making \( legal illegal \) , privacy security , self defense , kinds stuff keeps christians awake nights church subgenius po box dallas , tx usa original end times church post human mutants high temple , one board x ist saucers 1998 escape space god 1 's stark fist removal j r bob dobbs , god sales , waiting take money ordain magazines , sick audio cassettes , assorted offensive material periodic lists addresses pink religious cults contact points world network expect slow response mail conspiracies well organized eventually get pay give slack counter productions po box 556 london se5 uk uk source obscure books wide ranging selection , , subgenius , , robert anton wilson , horror , cyberpunk , , political social commentary , wilhelm reich , tech , obscure rock music , sf , send sae \( maybe bribe , need money \) ask catalogue tell mathew sent 've ordered folks three four times , 're fast efficient expect sort operation forbidden planet various sites uk particular , along london 's new oxford street , road court road tube station mass market subgenius , robert anton wilson , loompanics , course huge quantities sf terribly good selection , 're high street reviewette greatest hits isbn 1 031 x \( loompanics \) selection articles picked books catalogue subjects include christian right wing christians encouraged cold war satanic child abuse myths religion censorship plus lots anarchist libertarian stuff , , computers privacy , guaranteed contain least one article 'll offend like , example , interview bradley r smith , holocaust revisionist good sampling stuff coffee table book \( course , whether want leave sort stuff lying around coffee table another matter \) quote fundamentalists leap rage joy worst fantasies vindicated , therefore \( like think \) , entire theology socio political agenda meanwhile , teen age social misfits murder enemies , classmates , families , friends , even complete strangers , read one anton lavey 's cooks listened one many ac dc records born agains ready burn , books time reviewette book subgenius , j r dobbs subgenius foundation isbn 0 671 6 \( simon schuster \) described sick masterpiece still laugh fact nothing funny anymore official bible subgenius church , containing sacred teachings j r bob dobbs instant answers everything causes catalytic brain cell loss seconds secret total slack relax safety delusions pull wool eyes nuclear doom things laugh quote known answer questions concerning universal truths screams suggestive silence peeing pants leg famous sermon cosmic simplicity bob standing stage hands pockets , smoking , looking around saying nothing heated arguments still rage among monks , often erupting fatal , master consulted divine period grace reviewette high weirdness mail , rev ivan isbn 0 671 x \( simon schuster \) encyclopedia wierd organizations contact mail space , christian vs christian , ufo , new age , creationists , flat earthers , white churches , plus \( yawn \) , sceptical enquirer stuff like list addresses , though , kook group ruthlessly mocked ridiculed sarcastic glee like alt atheism 's flame wars , book made laugh stomach revised edition due time next year two sample entry entertaining demons southwest radio church po box oklahoma city , ok watchman wall another , fundamentalist outfit booklet entertaining demons exposes star wars e dungeons dragons saturday morning cartoon satanic connection horrifying detail left , though ! 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sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject 10 azeri soil occupied x soviet armenia talk \? reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 305 article 1993may15 seas smu edu pts seas smu edu \( paul thompson schreiber \) writes nancy huddled around one candle kerosene lamp cold \? make others feel isolation living country 3 5 million people completely blockaded hostile neighbors , prevented receiving adequate supplies fuel keep electric plants running , hospitals open , schools operation \? anybody typical armenian revisionist past x soviet armenia , today azerbaijan , idiotic causes armenians brought havoc neighbors short sighted misplaced nationalistic fervor wrong agenda anachronistic methods armenians continue become pernicious region usual , treated accordingly neighbors nagorno karabag mountainous enclave lies completely within azerbaijan border history whatsoever connected x soviet armenia besides geographical aspect , nagorno karabag historic homeland artistic literary heritage azerbaijan , renders armenian claims , even lunatic one mind could imagined one day devious turn event could plagued azeris one cannot even imagine reverse case occur , armenians either would slaughtered azerbaijanis , put forced exile maintain majority \? appeal mankind last three years azerbaijan population vainly fighting justice within limits soviet union humanitarian , constitutional human rights guaranteed un charter , universal declaration human rights , helsinki agreements , human problems international forums , documents signed soviet union violated ussr 's president , government bodies defend azerbaijan though empowered take necessary measures guarantee life peace 140 , 000 strong army armenian terrorists moscow 's tacit consent wages undeclared war annihilation azerbaijan result , part azerbaijan occupied annexed , hundreds people killed , thousands wounded 200 , 000 azerbaijanis brutally deported armenian ssr , historical homeland together 64 , 000 russians 22 , 000 kurds also driven , part settled azerbaijan 40 , 000 turkish , lezghins representatives caucasian nationalities escaped central asia president government bodies guarantee life peace also suffered deportations one scandalous directed azerbaijan science world civilization well armenian destruction karabakh scientific experimental base institute genetics selection academy sciences azerbaijan ssr beg humanitarian help political assistance , honour dignity 7 million azerbaijanis violated , territory , culture history trampled , people shot persistent negative image abroad , defamation spread whole world soviet mass media , armenian lobby ussr united states one myths events allegedly involves generated collisions religious intolerance truth shootings recent events stem territorial claims armenia azerbaijan well documented fact conflict armenians azerbaijanis issue karabakh hundreds thousands armenians calmly lived worked azerbaijan land , representatives government bodies azerbaijan ssr united , indivisible , sovereign azerbaijan , common caucasian home proclaimed 1918 one founding fathers azerbaijan democratic republic muhammed goals expectations trampled upon soviet leadership favour armenian encouraged moscow intended create new '1 , 000 year annexing neighboring lands world public opinion shed tears save whales , suffers penguins dying antarctic continent lives seven million human beings \? people muslims , mean less valuable \? people discriminated colour skin religion , residence attributes \? people brothers , appeal brothers help understanding first appeal azerbaijan world public opinion previous appeals unheard however , still carry hope truth beyond russian armenian propaganda one day reveal extent suffering stimulate least much help compassion azerbaijan whales penguins committee help karabakh \( \) academy sciences azerbaijan ssr painful search gruesome extent february 's killings azeris armenians town hojali last emerging azerbaijan 600 men , women children dead worst outrage four year war nagorny karabakh figure drawn azeri investigators , hojali officials casualty lists published baku press diplomats aid workers say death toll line estimates 25 february attack hojali armenian forces one last moves four year campaign take full control nagorny karabakh , subject new round negotiations rome monday bloodshed something fighting retreat massacre , investigators say dead civilians awful number people killed first suppressed fearful former communist government baku later blurred armenian denials grief stricken azerbaijan 's wild contradictory allegations 2 , 000 dead state , rasulov , cheif investigator 15 man team looking azerbaijan calls hojali disaster , said figure 600 people dead minimum preliminary findings similar estimate given elman memmedov , mayor hojali even higher one printed baku newspaper ordu may 479 dead people named 200 bodies reported unidentified figure nearly 700 dead quoted official leila , new spokeswoman azeri ministry defence francois zen ruffinen , head delegation international red cross baku , said muslim imam nearby city agdam reported figure 580 bodies received mosque hojali , civilians count bodies figure seems reasonable fantasy , mr zen ruffinen said idea since gave body bags products wash dead mr rasulov give estimate number dead massacre n't get worked take several months get final figure , 43 year old lawyer said small office mr rasulov knows things took two years reach firm conclusion 131 people killed 714 wounded soviet troops tanks crushed nationalist uprising baku january 1990 nationalists , popular front , finally came power three weeks ago applying pressure find exactly happened hojali , azeri town lies 70 miles border armenia , fell armenians officially , 184 people far certified dead , number people could medically examined republic 's forensic department small percentage dead , said rafiq youssifov , republic 's chief forensic scientist bodies brought us remember chaos fact muslims wash bury dead within 24 hours 184 people , 51 women , 13 children 14 years old gunshots killed 151 people , shrapnel killed 20 axes blunt instruments killed 10 exposure highland snows killed last three thirty three people showed signs deliberate mutilation , including ears , noses , breasts cut eyes gouged , according professor youssifov 's report 184 bodies examined less third believed killed , mr rasulov said files mr rasulov 's investigative commission still lists 44 azeri militiamen dead , six policemen , handwriting mosque attendant , names 111 corpses brought washed one day account 850 witnesses interviewed far comes towfiq manafov , azeri investigator took helicopter flight escape route hojali 27 february many bodies dead wounded ground count properly 470 500 hojali , 650 700 people stream road 85 100 visible around nakhchivanik village , mr manafov wrote statement helicopter pilot people waved us help saw three dead children one two year old alive one dead woman live one pulling arm mother get tried land armenians started helicopter return lists figures circulation political last months fact nobody knows exactly hojali time many inhabitants displaced villages taken armenian forces independent , london , 12 6 '92 heroes fought amid bodies sadikov sat quietly shade cafe bar caspian sea baku showed line stitches trousers , torn armenian bullet fled town hojali three months ago , writes hugh pope i'm still wearing clothes , n't others , 51 year old carpenter said , beginning account hojali disaster wounded five places , lucky alive mr sadikov wife short food , without electricity month , cut helicopter flights 12 days sensed armenian noose tightening around 2 , 000 3 , 000 people left azeri town edge karabakh bombardment started never heard , eight nine kinds weapons , artillery , heavy machine guns , lot , mr sadikov said soon neighbours pouring street direction attack huddled shelters others started fleeing town , hill , stream snow forest side escape , reach azeri town agdam 15 miles away thought going make , dawn reached bottleneck two armenian villages nakhchivanik none group hurt spotted car road , armenian outposts started opening fire , mr sadikov said azeri militiamen fighting way hojali rushed forward force open corridor civilians , efforts mostly vain mr sadikov said 10 people group 80 made , including wife son seven immediate relations died , including 67 year old elder brother time reach cover face hat , said , pulling big flat turkish cap eyes never got bodies back first groups lucky benefit covering fire one hero evacuation , , shot dead struggled change magazine covering third group 's crossing , mr sadikov said another hero , elman memmedov , mayor hojali , said several others spent whole day 26 february hillside , surrounded dead bodies tried keep three armenian armoured personnel carriers bay survivors staggered last mile agdam , little comfort town population soon flee night reached town big armenian rocket attack people kept going , mr sadikov said get hospital treatment bad way even found bullet sock victims war azeri woman son , killed hojali massacre february \( left \) nurses struggle primitive conditions \( centre \) save wounded man makeshift operating theatre set train carriage grief stricken relatives town agdam \( right \) weep coffin another massacre victims calculating final death toll complicated muslims bury dead within 24 hours photographs liu ap reuter independent , london , 12 6 '92 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject bonilla organization adobe systems incorporated lines 9 article 1993apr20 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes gary varsho halfway , unlikely make 3 4 way wait minute could swear varsho white sherri nichols snichols adobe com
george filebank cts com \( george \) subject head head win distribution world organization file bank bbs , ca 619 728 reply george filebank cts com \( george \) lines 15 jg fall , believe ibm longer rights jg view microsoft code , way maintain jg sort compatibility reverse engineer would jg want reverse engineer application \? n't retain windows nt oem status \? , gives nt source code , since windows headed toward nt \( win32s , \) slmr 2 1a g l n e e u r n g g u g e file bank bbs 619 728 pcboard v 14 5a usr hst ds 8 nodes rime internet largest clipper file collection world
cc lut fi \( jarmo \) subject manual shift bigots nntp posting host cc lut fi organization university technology , finland lines 13 kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering many cars sold finland small cheap cars \( least compared cars note 120 car tax \) could n't expect good auto 1 3 l engine \? bigger cars , however , sold autos
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 69 article apb news2 cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes reference 4 page essay local star tribute newspaper putting whole conflict perspective readily admit authority area however , asserted muslims join hands croats nazis persecuting serbs case , past actions best evidence find second hand hearsay unnamed source \? may indeed confusing muslims nazi armenians altogether 30 , 000 nazi armenians served various units german wehrmacht , according ara j berkian 14 , 000 predominantly armenian army units , 6 , 000 german army units , 8 , 000 various working units 2 , 000 waffen ss 1 number nazi armenians volunteers france , greece , rumania bulgaria chosen commit german war effort derounian says dashnag armenians france bore mark ' 2 nazi armenians like dro 'the sided germans probably impact decision armenians overwhelmingly opted armed service 1 meyer , j berkian , rhein und , 900 deutsch , ' \( heinz verlag oldenburg 1988 \) , pp 118 119 2 john roy carlson \( arthur derounian \) , 'the armenian displaced persons , ' ibid , p 19 fall 1942 , armenian infantry battalions 808 809 formed , followed battalions 810 , 812 813 spring 1943 second half 1943 infantry battalions 814 , 815 816 created battalions together indigenous caucasian units attached infantry division 162 also attached id 162 field battalions ii 9 , 125 198 formed may 1942 may 1943 altogether twelve armenian battalions served nazi army , battalion ii 73 , employed time , included 1 battalions commanded nazi armenian officers armenians wore german uniforms dashnag colours red blue orange inscription ' 1 joachim , 1941 1943 , , und im , ' \( verlag freiburg 1976 \) , p 172 collaborated nazis stalin second world war , nazi armenians changed policy hitler 's defeat backed stalin 's claims eastern turkish provinces , hoping would annexed soviet armenia muslim population would exterminated stalin played armenian national sentiments support armenians ussr america imperial ambitions 1 stalin 's ultimatum turkish government led truman formulate famous doctrine 1 walter , soviet union , ' \( london , macmillan co ltd new york , st martin 's press 1961 \) , pp 160 164 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization department redundancy department lines 81 article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes never seen immaturity among andi beyer character shows signs anti semitism , obviously n't read postings clearly ones guilty backing viewpoints fact israelophiles israelophiles \? anything like israelists \? 're thin ice insult race ! , 're falling ice ! playmate ! comment concerning israeli terrorism 1930 's 1940 's , branch militant groups , fight british get palestine yet fail see israeli form terrorism better terrorism practiced arabs difference guerrilla warfare terrorism former primarily targets enemy soldiers latter primarily targets civilians , necessarily enemy , jewish terrorist groups killed innocent british soldiers , innocent british soldiers \? like innocent iraqi soldiers \? british executing jewish fighters soon become recognized jewish homeland british eternal shame damnation sending jewish refugees , civilians , back europe taken care hitler comparison , palestinean fighters primarily target tourists , , babies , worshippers , shoppers , movie threatening people early zionist fighters things comparison ignorant odious mention i'm anti semitic i'm part jewish self righteousness part israelites pisses bug israelites \( used israelophiles \) happen right \? i'm critical palestinians indeed screwed jews kidding \? palestinean arabs comprise tiny proportion world 's refugee population , almost justifiable claim territory desire , acted criminals international community decades treated like deserving minority existence , even support saddam desert storm many world leaders addressed un machine gun hand , receiving standing ovation \? 's damn shame palestinians pay german european anti semitism weakest arguments apologists congratulations pissed immature , closeminded , self righteous semites gee , 's nice name call pissed \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 103 article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com , netd susie sbc com \( \) writes name \? \( stephen \) writes think david koresh n't solid structure , sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast , n't think anyone really cares solid structure sermon tells quite lot man 's deaths 's responsible concern people spokesman people \? 've enclosed partial list sources cites quotes exactly used christian sermon , 's pretty good , inspired though differ part conclusions , argument presents well backed 's taken long work still ongoing thought rambling says far koresh 've made curious say \? n't recognize biblical commentary used church know language though , excuse first seal revelation 6 , entirety psalms 45 , revelation 19 demonstrated one major points writings prophets \( including david \) , psalms , revelation telling story understand 're related \( ie key \) largely explain charles manson used revelation well see pattern \? wonder koresh liked beatles \? missed point prophets , psalms , revelation , together , provide rich view special event wedding koresh nut , okay \? found ways bible backup rantings make less kook able make conclusion \? please note , first part revelation makes clear address church said , n't hurt try see prophecies ahead time outside church seems koresh yet another messenger got killed message carried 'll type slowly understand either set fire told followers n't make martyr get killed , killed say interesting see investigators conclude , final judgments mean time , sure learned lot evil corruption surprised things gotten rotten \? evil inside compound thou shalt kill stuff much war government eh oh yeah , one last point believers philippian 2 14 19 rest us , could please post text \? glad asked , since goofed philippian 1 14 19 \( niv \) chains , brothers lord encouraged speak word god true preach christ envy rivalry , others good latter love , knowing put gospel former preach christ selfish ambition , sincerely , supposing stir trouble chains matter \? important thing every way , whether false motives true , christ preached rejoice comment stems realization love lord , human imperfect whatever preach , matter eloquent , corrupted little difference know master 's voice recognize gem stone amidst rock also lesson ear hear j stephen
pjs269 tijc02 uucp \( paul schmidt \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization advocates self government davy crockett chapter x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 22 steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes would seem society failed government would ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose never seems occur \? advances freedom made past divine right king concept questioned one time may used argument , n't come ancestors courage throw old system said one man ruling many necessary decent , wholesome society concept slavery questioned ancestors courage question practice existed thousands years idea one man owning another necessary decent , wholesome society \? libertarians question necessity necessary many people rule many others decent , wholesome society \? paul schmidt advocates self government , davy crockett chapter president 706 judith drive , johnson city , tn , \( 615 \) 283 , uunet ! tijc02 ! pjs269 freedom seems unleashed creative energies people leads ever higher levels income social progress u n report
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject looking x windows pc organization lake taylor hospital computer services keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows lines 29 markw pspmf3 gpsemi com \( mark wilkinson ext 3443 \) writes hi , first time 've posted net , hope going right people i'm looking software packages run ibm pc clone allows display openlook motif windows pc idea use pc cheap x windows terminal use process engineers work already clone equipment lots programs \( see current copy unix world magazine \) performance suck lemons running xserver clone \( experience \) would much better xterminal new install performance least four times better addition would much easier install use top cost \( price clone 4mb ram , ethernet card , high performance graphics card , good monitor , server software , tcp ip clone software , mouse , keyboard , etc , etc , etc spend whole lot \) get 15 tektronix xp11 terminals 900 , performance 80000 xstones mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
dmoney magnus acs ohio state edu \( dean r money \) subject braves come around nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 28 braves doubters n't worry bats come alive , braves come around pitching solid , long braves n't serious injuries starting rotation , 'll continue pitch well heck , five starters braves rotation , could even sustain injury one five \( hope n't happen , though \) bats pendleton certainly bat 280 , justice catching fire , bream , nixon , sanders , gant well , 's much offense kept quiet much longer right , cleveland indians 7 players batting 300 ! certainly would n't seven respective seven \( though would n't braves something right pitching 7 players batting 300 \? \) bullpen well , suspect bats come alive , guys bullpen less concern anyway , believe braves tough beat season i'm saying braves automatically division , i'm season \( though 's awful painful watch times right \) go braves ! ! ! dean
coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) subject whl playoff results 04 18 93 organization university saskatchewan lines 74 distribution world reply coulman cs usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca monday , april 12 , 1993 kamloops 4 spokane 1 \( kamloops wins 3 0 \) western final matchup kamloops portland tuesday , april 13 , 1993 games necessary wednesday , april 14 , 1993 games necessary thursday , april 15 , 1993 games scheduled friday , april 16 , 1993 regina 2 swift current 7 \( series 0 1 \) kamloops 3 portland 6 \( series 0 1 \) saturday , april 17 , 1993 kamloops 4 portland 8 \( series 0 2 \) sunday , april 18 , 1993 swift current 5 regina 2 \( series 2 0 \) whl playoff scoring leaders april 18 , 1993 player gp g pts jamie black , tacoma 7 7 15 22 andy schneider , swift current 8 7 13 20 valeri bure , spokane 9 6 11 17 allan , tacoma 7 9 7 16 dean , swift current 8 9 6 15 jason , swift current 8 6 9 15 cam , medicine hat 10 9 5 14 todd holt , swift current 8 5 9 14 tyler wright , swift current 8 5 9 14 mike , kamloops 10 5 9 14 jeff friesen , regina 11 5 9 14 rick , swift current 8 3 11 14 whl playoff leading goaltenders april 18 , 1993 \( minimum 60 minutes \) player mp ga gaa scott , portland 295 12 0 2 44 milan , swift current 497 21 1 2 54 trevor robins , brandon 258 11 0 2 56 steve , kamloops 341 16 1 2 82 mark , red deer 269 13 0 2 90 randy coulman , sc aries laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman cs usask ca saskatoon , sk s7n 0w0
callison whale st usm edu \( charles james allison \) subject mac disks windows \? organization university southern mississippi lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host whale st usm edu article 180 uupcb hal9k com scott lynn hal9k com \( scott lynn \) writes well , alot graphic design work , remaining loyal dos windows instead macs college n't , though , scan images macintosh anyone know program read mac disks apple file exchange nac writes dos disks probably leaves visibly older every session want transfer windows instead macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck c j callison whale st usm edu
smorris sumax seattleu edu \( steven morris \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization addiction studies program , seattle university lines 6 nntp posting host sumax seattleu edu remove legend v 8 list , 's 6 steve morris , internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver , uunet ! ! ! sumax ! smorris seattle university phone \( 206 \) 296 \( dept \) 296 \( direct \) seattle , wa
qpliu ernie princeton edu \( q p liu \) subject christian morality reply qpliu princeton edu organization princeton university lines 14 originator news nimaster nntp posting host ernie princeton edu article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic n't cite passages focus discuss , following jesus , make fools us logic rely simply reason never know indeed , make assertion , must genius logic making fools us much easier qpliu princeton edu standard opinion opinions delta correlated
galen med virginia edu \( amir anthony \) subject heat shock proteins organization university virginia lines 8 way ms dna stomach ph 2 approx neutral ph enzymes pancreas point check facts yelling people friendly suggestion 4 26 93
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 25 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes might except gay men much promiscuous straight men shows damaged screwed gay men excuse moment laugh head defy prove statement damaged screwed ca n't \? oh dear argument , , mr logic \( ! \) , falls flat face take course civil behaviour logic come back defend arguments clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject clipper considered harmful article lehman 1993apr22 222016 organization partnership america free drug lines 22 brad optilink com \( brad yearwood \) writes clipper comes cellular phones along legal using cipher systems phones , new potentially dangerous class crime created criminals badly want inscrutable tactical communications \( specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents key escrow cite threats \) highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user , kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed obviously n't read information system chips put serial number infomation cypher stream allow identified system rely registering people owning particular phone units proposal , lets accurate objections perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject new encryption algorithm organization bell laboratories lines 24 article 41 shockwave win net , jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) writes nsa 's charter forbids purely domestic intelligence work , would think even providing assistance development skipjack violation charter government agency , think laws directives bear upon subject example , national computer security act 1987 specifically nbs sic work nsa developing security standards civilian federal computers \( pick bill cpsr org also includes report describing , legislative history , including concerns nsa 's involvement \) note also nsa specifically charged running national computer security center , quote aforementioned report also work industries dod computer security center develop security standards private sector use '' may may good idea nsa , i'm pretty sure 's legal \( btw comes development cryptosystems , may two choices either nsa helped develop , case maybe crack , maybe , probably , one else nsa n't help , case probably crack , maybe others well \)
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject riddle organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 22 dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) writes subject cs cn tear gas received initial introduction tear gas , first thing came mind location exit anything way , corners negotiate , doors open , obstacles movement , would difficult time exiting could n't find window six hours \? 'd bet cash 90 people could n't find window six minutes ! ask anybody 's taken basic training military uncommon soldiers properly attached cleared masks require assistance exiting chamber since chamber door , window , 's likely hell lot easier exit multi room , damaged house dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
walter uni koblenz de \( walter \) subject parametric variational design organization university koblenz , germany lines 149 nntp posting host wolf uni koblenz de reply patel enuxha eas asu edu 's message wed , 28 apr 1993 18 15 40 gmt initial references best regards walter inproceedings et al 90 , author robert young , title integrating parametric geometry , features , variational modeling conceptual design , booktitle international conference design theory methodology , year 1990 , editor j r , pages 1 9 , organization american society mechanical engineers \( \) , , , , note proceedings inproceedings kimura 90 , author kimura , title constraint modeling system variational geometry , booktitle geometric modeling product engineering , year 1990 , editor michael j j u turner k , pages 221 233 , organization , publisher science publishers b v \( north holland \) , amsterdam , netherlands , , , note selected expanded papers form wg 5 2 nsf working conference geometric modeling , , ny , u , 18 22 september 1988 inproceedings chung et al 88 , author jack c h chung joseph w robert l cook , title implementation issues variational geometry constraint management , booktitle third international conference cad cam , robotics factories future \( cars \) , year 1988 , , , , , address detroit , michigan , usa , month august 14 17 , , note proceedings , probably springer verlag , berlin heidelberg , 1989 article kimura et al 86 , author kimura suzuki , title variational product design constraint propagation satisfaction product modelling , journal annals , year 1986 , volume 35 , number 1 , pages 75 78 , , note \( probably \) international institution production engineering research article kimura et al 87 , author f kimura h suzuki h sato , title variational geometry based logical constraints applications product modelling , journal annals , year 1987 , volume 36 , number 1 , pages 65 68 , inproceedings chung 89 , author jack c h chung martin , title comparison variational parametric design , booktitle '89 , year 1989 , , pages 5 27 5 44 , , , address detroit , michigan , usa , month october 30 november 2 , , note conference proceedings article et al 92 , author robert young , title integrating parametric geometry , features , variational modeling conceptual design , journal international journal systems automation research applications \( sara \) , year 1992 , volume 2 , , pages 17 36 , , article 90 , author , title parametric interactive geometric modeller mechanical design , journal cad , computer aided design , year 1990 , volume 22 , number 10 , pages 633 644 , month december , note ltd inproceedings et al , author borut v z alik , title parametric design using constraint description graph , booktitle cad '92 , zur cad systeme , year 1992 , editor frank helmut , pages 329 344 , , publisher informatik , springer verlag , berlin heidelberg , , month 14 15 mai , note gi , berlin inproceedings 90 , author , title parametric engineering design using constraint based reasoning , booktitle aaai 90 , eighth national conference artificial intelligence , year 1990 , , pages 505 510 , organization american association artificial intelligence , publisher proceedings , volume one , aaai press , menlo park , ca , u , address boston , , month july 29 august 3 , ,
yajima nttcom ntt jp \( yajima hiroshi \) subject yakult swallows \( japanese pro baseball team \) lab ntt jp 1rb lab ntt jp edu lab ntt jp lab ntt jp lab ntt jp distribution rec organization ntt network information systems labs musashino , tokyo lines 27 reply yajima nttcom ntt jp 's message 20 apr 1993 23 40 27 gmt wednesday 's game beloved yakult swallows \( , 38 , 000 \) hanshin tigers 000 006 000 6 beloved swallows 100 000 000 1 w \( 2 0 \) l ito \( 0 1 \) central league standing w l pct gb hiroshima 7 2 0 778 dragons 7 3 0 700 0 5 hanshin tigers 6 4 0 600 1 5 hated giants 4 5 0 444 3 0 beloved swallows 3 7 0 300 4 5 2 8 0 200 5 5 hiroshi yajima \( e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp \) ntt network information systems laboratories , 9 11 cho 3 chome musashino shi , tokyo , 180 japan , tel 81 422 59 , fax 81 422 59
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject human planets \? nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 16 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes planets also dependent kind plant life grown length growing season \( want something vat food , argh , id eat mre along period time \) using extend growing season n't problem i'm n't alaska \( cheaper import , perhaps \? \) low pressure atmosphere limit human \( someone woman must come lower elevations babies brought term \? true \? \) , problems , spanish frank crary cu boulder
uabdpo dpo uab edu subject teenagers pick church parents n't attend \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 13 q teenagers freedom choose church go \? friends teenage kids like go church left would sleep , 's option complain friends go , yet n't attempt make friends mention respecting sunday school teacher , usually find way miss sunday school make church service , \( parents thoroughly disgusted \) might add never ending battle \? ruin whole day let anyone problem get resolved \? f
thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) subject universal phones days \? reply wd cs tu berlin de 's message 26 apr 1993 10 20 23 gmt organization communicator nexus ab lines 36 article wd sam cs tu berlin de wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) writes article 1rg36hinnsr6 darkstar ucsc edu hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) writes i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing sweden , '0' first digit digits pushed one position makes dialing \( process converting numbers \) interesting task otherwise , technically problem connect foreign phone either german swedish phone system otoh neither would ever try , course illegal phone uses dtmf dialing , magic telecom operators seems agreed , complete non issue n't think switches sweden ca n't handle dtmf dialing switches digital n't magic fingers converts dtmf pulse dialing thomas real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden
mcnally quip eecs umich edu \( mike mcnally \) subject seen lobby , us organization university michigan eecs dept , ann arbor , mi distribution usa lines 51 article ms uky edu morgan engr uky edu \( wes morgan \) writes realize form letters worst way influence congresscritters exact copies routinely placed lowest opinion ladder want write \( think ! \) , take time really write letter things emphasize excellent helpful list deleted concise n't ramble rants definitely place cite references , necessary , use accepted references like academic journals neighbor jim real refer 8 \) wes 's list n't writing congressional representatives fine one 'd like encourage people pay extra attention point saying may 's nevertheless true catch flies honey vinegar writing styles prevalent net possess certain charm please remember person reading letter likely negatively influenced express concerns way makes sound like paranoid crackpot wild unsupported accusations menace nsa carry much weight , conclusions inevitable consequences proposal likely convince \( especially ones attempt strained analogies rise nazi party please save quote another letter \) want opinions taken seriously important state opinions manner understandable seems reasonable layman n't reader technical details expect know history various encryption technologies mail , hand letter non technical friend ask sanity check , realize legislators often motivated much self interest anything else try point risks terms meaningful motivating loss individual privacy rights damage restrictive export regulations american ability compete global marketplace pull strings think work legislator legislator unlikely civil rights concerns point government granted monopoly damages competitiveness businesses district manufacture market phone crypto technology mcnally
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject tg 16 games sale trade nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 22 following games sale trade make offer hu cards r type alien crush tricky kick ninja spirit assault cd lords rising sun sherlock holmes brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject oilers sale \? \? organization ub lines 18 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu article yadalle yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) writes 's one mill oilers might move hamilton porklington get free deal given labour relations puck like , would sigh relief heard yesterday pocklington talking folks afternoon \( yesterday \) valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject cats pregnancy organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu lines 24 article 1993apr27 etl go jp , klaus go jp \( klaus hofmann \( \) \) writes heard certain disease \( \? \) transmitted cats harm unborn fetus anybody know \? problem cat apartment \? disease talking lives within cells cats , intestinal cells eggs shed cat 's feces cross infect fetus disease may asymptomatic baby born , may severe may cause blindness mental cat apartment problem however , pregnant women scoop change cat 's addition , whoever empty thoroughly wash hands handling anything else , especially food information came merck manual , 15th ed hope information helpful elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu
mcostell oasys dt navy mil \( malcolm g costello \) subject locking lugnuts tire \? \? reply mcostell oasys dt navy mil \( malcolm g costello \) distribution usa organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 20 rec autos , mas skcla monsanto com writes xif put locking tires , need \? \? x mas x xe mail address mas skcla monsanto com since wheel tire balanced car e lugnuts normally involved , would \? would think since close center rotation slight difference weight normal locking one would noticable effect balance could wrong , friday afternoon mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code 65 1 \( formerly 1720 1 \) david taylor model basin , carderock division hq nswc bethesda , md 20084 5000 phone \( 301 \) 227 2431 \(
cs monash edu au \( walker \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization computer science , monash university , australia lines 11 cheerful note , perhaps hacking n't completely dead someone else said , take gnu offerings example free , redistributable often better commercial stuff take also number papers published every year fields computer science vast majority papers detail original work real , often exceptional merit authors sharing knowledge fun ,
neath brazil psych purdue edu \( ian neath \) subject final regular season individual goalie stats organization purdue university lines 6 including points \? probably goals \( least opponents \) several assists given ian neath four kinds people world neath psych purdue edu , fools , morons lunatics u eco
agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) subject christianity crisis hank hanegraaff reply agr00 amail amdahl com organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 45 christianity crisis hank hanegraaff controversy sake controversy sin controversy sake truth divine command dr walter martin dr walter martin personally selected hank hanegraaff succeed president christian research institute largest evangelical counter cult organization world , careful treatment explosive subject , hanegraaff documents examines beliefs word faith movement clearly compromises confuse essentials historic christian faith first time ever , large influential movement legitimately labeled book , hanegraaff discusses leaders word faith movement e w kenyon twelve apostles another gospel \( gal 1 6 9 \) \( kenneth e hagin , kenneth copeland , benny hinn , frederick k c price , john , robert , marilyn , paul \( david \) cho , charles , jerry , morris , paul jan \) book available harvest house publishers christian book stores soon order hard back copy cri 14 99 calling 1 800 443 9797 avoid retail mark ups christian research journal , quarterly publication cri article 's recent issue released called , 's wrong word faith movement \? good article inform teachers , tide book arrives interested receiving journal , order cri number 14 year best source accurate well researched info today 're going discussion book \( third posting far \) , 'd like people say enough contents people decide whether 's worth reading clh
loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization microsoft corp lines 20 article may 11 02 36 59 1993 athos rutgers edu dps nasa kodak com wrote article 15441 geneva rutgers edu , loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) writes might visit congregations christians , happen homosexuals , spirit filled believers , go lumping us together troy perry gee , think real criminals \( robbers , , drug addicts \) appear fun loving caring people 's point \? ok people nice \? n't say visit nice homosexuals said visit congregations christians spirit filled believers praise lord members body let us agree disagree god bless see heaven loisc
jupiter fuentez com \( joe hildebrand \) subject help needed callbacks , actions events organization internet lines 47 soenke wiwi12 uni bielefeld de \( soenke voss \) cc xpert expo lcs mit edu understood two methods connect application code widgets callbacks actions problem face quite long piece application code performs lot drawing window want connect widget problem far could use callback function action , processing events afterwards drawing takes , want application code sequence able interrupted events want handle events resume processing application code point interrupted seems n't possible , give user impression inputs immediately processed \? use workproc see \( \) split drawing small chunks \( hard part \) , callback starts drawing , call \( \) call workproc first time workproc function returns boolean true finished , false want keep processing return false , workproc automatically installed note method better using time loop , since events get processed precedence oriented manner using ada bindings , however , hosed , look xtappaddtimeout \( \) joe hildebrand fuentez com software engineer fuentez systems concepts \( 703 \) 273 standard disclaimers apply
drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp \( doug rinckes \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host 133 206 251 21 reply drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp organization telecommunications systems support centre , new zealand lines 23 article unbvm1 csd unb ca , c70a000 c70a unb ca \( \) writes article hpcc01 corp hp com gharriso hpcc01 corp hp com \( graeme harrison \) writes hpcc01 rec motorcycles xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu 2 48 pm apr 19 , 1993 possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? mike terry '82 virago 've seen 'em , real question , one wheelie lead wing \? , high would front wheel ground \? wheelies lead wings possible , ai n't easy , \( , relation \? \) great uncle several times removed tells high , high want 'em \? modulation n't exactly easiest thing world , says guy 57 years old well , apparently get past 6 inches , luggage shifts back , passenger slides back , dog ends hanging onto top rack , go way 's flat 's ass , front wheel straight sky impressive , hard tail lights \) doug rinckes drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp new zealand tssc ltd 1976 bmw r100s 1960 bmw r60 1940 indian
sam andrew cmu edu subject review 1989 ford taurus sho organization freshman , h ss general , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr26 204845 columbiasc ncr com excerpts rec autos 26 apr 93 review 1989 ford mark w rice mozart article 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us \( id bonds \) writes gk occasionally , trouble shifting reverse shifter gk refuses enter gate , often grind synchros trying gk get gear 'll watching carefully next couple gk months enter 1st , wait 2 3 seconds go reverse use synchros , 'll never \( least n't \) ground em fit using technique like manual says put 3rd first , quickly go reverse waiting one way , works manual trans cars 've driven , personal favorite \( suggestions great , try one , \) pushing shifter gently towards reverse , let clutch slowly \( right friction point \) shifter pulled position right , car wo n't jump backward , gears grind glide back sam
ccu umanitoba ca \( brendan \) subject looking hot mac 3d anim software nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada distribution usa lines 49 news udel edu stern brahms udel edu \( garland stern \) writes interested finding 3d animation programs mac especially interested programs n't exist pc port good would make go buy mac exist \? thanks advance howdy think would interested infini 2 5 mac dos windows version 's quite amazing program features text timeline based animation sequencer realtime bounding box preview object linking phong shading ray tracing bounding box shading wireframe shading shading flat shading anti aliasing \( none , low , medium , high \) environment maps quicktime support \( wrap qt movie around object \) procedural surfaces composed surfaces \( surfaces \) alpha channel support import eps , dxf , swivel 3d files export dxf swivel 3d files spline based animation animation assistant \( creating smooth movements stuff \) object morphing \( surfaces morph \) lots ca n't remember right anyway , 's expensive animation rendering packages think get around 699 macwarehouse also educational discounts well , hope helps bit see ya brendan internet ccu umanitoba ca america online
bob ncube com \( bob kehoe \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? nntp posting host organization ncube computers , beaverton , oregon , u distribution usa lines 18 tested vehicles \( identically equipped \) , week long periods curiously \( consider test vehicles \) , found mercury higher build quality nissan either choice good , beware experience reasonable mileage v6 average city driving , 21 avg highway \( nissan leather ! \) villager 24k range nissan bob
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject radio freq used measure distance \? organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 12 article otter hpl hp com otter hpl hp com \( tom gardner \) writes difference vertical horizontal \? gravity \? n't gravity pull photons cause doppler shift something \? \( kidding ! \)
wen king cs caltech edu \( wen king su \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? organization california institute technology lines 9 nntp posting host neptune cs caltech edu keywords mercury , villager , minivan , van , cars , article sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu \( steven morris \) writes villager quest seem like best voyager copies come along since mazda mpv nissan maxima engine paired maxima 4 speed auto trans excellent drive train , rest vehicle seems well engineered price controversial hmm last time checked , villager quest maxima engine , much powered weight
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject price drop c650 within reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 14 ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes alas , funny system , sounds like good deal , centris 650 , 4mb \( motherboard \) 4mb simm , 80mb hd , ethernet coprocessor \( well , actually 's 68lc040 instead 68rc040 , 'just say keep people saying thing '040 without coprocessor , since fpu built chip \) actually , thing '040 without coprocessor 's called 68lc040 redesign full 040 \( people calling 68rc040 , although told number people motorola n't call full '040 \) without integrated fpu hardware n't
ruf uni freiburg de \( benny \) subject wc 93 results , april 18 organization rechenzentrum der universitaet freiburg , germany lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host ruf uni freiburg de etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) writes forwards 13 richard \? season 92 93 playing freiburg germany benny benny email ruf uni freiburg de disclaimer text reflects opinion ,
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 51 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes jake bony1 bony com writes article 1993apr25 3411 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes waldo cybernet cse fau edu writes humans suffered emotionally , jews many others suffered physically problem language \? said everyone suffered emotionally victims holocaust n't implying anyone suffered actual victims quite people could n't cared less happened jews europe cared , would done something wrong guys \? regardless one says keep hearing want hear maybe many us , usenet several years remember tripe like posted interested , would like inform binyamin netanyahu \( leader israeli likud party \) interviewed cnn tonight larry king live n't guy go crying zionist tv confessing committed , cheating wife typical jew leader , huh \? posted fairly recently much racist stuff past expected listen remain calm \? n't think listening racist anti semetic incitement calm debate perhaps n't mean coming highly offensive however , way posted seems typical irrational dislike israel jews perhaps took close look 've posted thought bit tone 've used , would see people reacting way adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject pin imagewriter ii serial port \? organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 11 hi , could kind soul please e mail copy pinout serial connector imagewriter ii printer \? one 'd like hook pc , seems nobody sells proper cables anymore problem make one , need know pinout first thanks advance joel kolstad kolstad cae wisc edu
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject winfield 's spot time greats team organization allegheny college lines 27 article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes article kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes rf time , far anyone tell quick scan last night , looking players peak comparable better winfield quick n dirty subjective judgement , could make good cases ruth , aaron , ott , robinson , clemente , kaline , , klein , jackson , , probably others knock winfield , comment consistency players awesome stretches good stretches , winfield uniformly excellent hall fame \? absolutely top 10 peak \? i'm sure top 10 total career value \? yes , almost certainly point taken winfield 's peak years anyway \? probably around 85
asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) subject maxima chain wax organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 21 article 4dn myrddin imat com nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) writes article 1993apr23 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes spray chain wax onto rollers occassionally , rust problem regularly michael maybe accidentally sealed water \? cleaned chain thoroughly , took short ride dry heat bit , sank deep rollers formed good seal outside rust , live tucson ! b h e b k e dod 88888 asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu '90 kawi 550 zephyr \( erik asphaug \) '86 bmw r80gs u l h e r e r
med yale edu \( michael locker \) subject yanks 's george speaks reply kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu 's message 23 apr 93 15 00 58 edt nntp posting host med yale edu organization yale university x news reader vms news 1 20 lines 19 1993apr23 1 eagle wesleyan edu kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu writes matt nokes 2 run single ron darling hit \? watching game yesterday flashed something regarding talking mark connor bullpen coach said something like 's mark connor 's fault bullpen horrible ! ! go ! ! george sticking non baseball nose baseball business shut george , spend money , get players leave buck coaches players alone saw quote flashed screen yesterday also , enraged anything george speaking complaining media instead proper people , idiot reporter provided george outlet opportunity create trouble supreme example media truly control situations local beat reporters know better stop trying one quotes boss ignored , 'd really simply go away , problems would avoided reporter potentially open asshole
samuel paul rutgers edu \( kristina \) subject oops silly organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 16 sorry friend 's address wants faq info colby edu sorry folks jody jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o' '94 e mail colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu fantasy , music , colors , animals lead society oppression
eniac seas upenn edu \( steven hong \) subject looking organizer distribution comp organization university pennsylvania , philadelphia , pa , usa lines 18 nntp posting host eniac seas upenn edu looking organizer program windows currently lotus organizer , bad , looking better scheduler list nice additions address phone book diary please , suggestions \? shareware public copyrighted please email eniac seas upenn edu steven hong email address eniac seas upenn edu university pennsylvania engineering class 1996
thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) subject bonilla reply thf2 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 102 article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes \( quick name light hitting black outfielder 1b lasted 10 years bigs bet name two dozen white ones \) otis nixon stole 300 bases \( ok , 's still light hitting , baseball managers n't think , think , like omar , perfect leadoff man awesome defense \) darnell coles 's still around 1986 , hit 20 hr henry n't played 10 years bigs n't full time major 1988 manny consistent 300 hitter billy hatcher 'll see 's still around 1994 tenth year herm goes herm lonnie smith \( light hitting , horror field \) n't count gary redus redus hardly light hitting , plus stole 300 bases close 800 ops career lhp dion james 'll see 's still around 1995 qualify daryl boston 416 440 three straight years one worst parks nl 's going one colorado 's better players year plus , make ten count time spent denver buffalo hawaii white sox vince coleman \( yeah , 's finally started decent obp \) coleman , assuming makes 1994 , never perceived weak offensively , though course led nl sb first six years majors cecil espy 'll see 's still around 1997 willie wilson wilson always overrated , hit 300 five times six year stretch led league triples five times count 's still playing 1994 , though 'll 's otis nixon deluxe slightly worse defense gary okay , 's league year , count , though 's also majors otis nixon syndrome milt thompson 's spectacular , 's neither light hitting ten year man gary varsho halfway , unlikely make 3 4 way ok , admit taking quick browse major league handbook , first 7 8 oh , 's time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno brock suffered otis nixon disease , n't perceived light hitting neither curt flood cesar cedeno light hitting note guys may reached 10 years yet , 've got close likewise list oh , prediction milt cuyler 'll steal lot bases ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu i'm sorry , card says moops u c law school standard disclaimers
lyle seaman transarc com subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 14 1993apr21 001230 26384 lokkur dexter mi us c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com strnlghtc5wcmo fx5 netcom com cmm 0 90 2 jon gode ifi uio nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply cmm 0 90 2 jon gode ifi uio jon jon ifi uio writes person know , belonging research lab rivate company , claimed conversation , given equipment lab , could crack kerberos ticket 15 minutes hour access rather powerful des hardware , kind , believe attack possible amount known plaintext ticket , constitutes small message two years ago would v4 ticket , presumably , v5 ticket v4 ticket format even complicated several orders magnitude lyle transarc 707 grant street 412 338 4474 gulf tower pittsburgh 15219
hpcc01 corp hp com \( vladimir \) subject sun laptop 2500 b organization hp corporate notes server lines 16 sun laptop workstation 2500 best offer 16m ram expandable hard drive 3 5 floppy drive os 4 1 open windows 3 lcd display scsi 2 mouse ac adaptor , manuals , carring case posted friend please contact directly please call \( 415 \) 858 1306
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject 's shit \? \( amusing atheists \) nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 20 robert beauchaine \( bobbe vice ico tek com \) wrote precisely position newbie , tried point point approach debate types wasted time lifespan ignoring option , since n't go away , would leave one large stretches complete anonymity group bob , 've posted long enough see name times , ca n't recall point point approach anything 've contributed i'm old \( probably senile \) may forgotten , could post example invincible logic , might memory bill
kwun css itd umich edu \( michael kwun \) subject duo price reduction \? organization university michigan itd consulting support lines 26 nntp posting host stimpy css itd umich edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 joel siegel \( jdsiegel garnet berkeley edu \) wrote yes , duo prices dropped n't msrp reductions , \( though find recent tidbits , archived sumex \) 's berkeley educational price list \( old new \) duo 210 4 80 1919 1569 duo 230 4 80 1961 duo 230 4 120 2268 duo 230 4 120 modem michigan state university pricing 210 systems powerbook duo portable mac powerbook duo 210 4m ram 80m hd 1528 98 promotion expires 06 13 93 mac pb duo 210 4 80 bundle w 1 4m drive 1636 08 internet michael kwun umich edu speak bitnet support local cooperative
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject temperature dark sky organization u toronto zoology lines 16 article well sf ca us metares well sf ca us \( tom van flandern \) writes temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? 'll find allen , c w , astrophysical quantities , press , dover , nh , 3rd edition , pp 268 269 \( 1973 \) ! ! copy allen , never occurred look must getting old 'll look get home thanks temperature 3 degrees k 'd remembered rather higher number , may lunar , earth significant heat source svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 25 jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes stated many times civil war ex yugoslavia end terms secession \( borders , etc \) croatia b h finally agreed upon serbs , croats , muslims make territorial concessions reach agreement muslims already , accepted vance owen plan gives 50 population \( serbian statistics put 44 \) 25 territory gave totally muslim villages areas croatia serbia , effect gave serbs land grabbed slaughtering muslims raping women expelling survivors still serbs \( bosnian serbs real bosnian serbs fighting muslims defend bosnia serbs , called bosnian serbs refused part bosnia wanted greater serbia \) , still serbs refused , necessary weapons kill muslims grab territory nick
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject like dc x \( shuttle 0 defects bizarre \? dc x \? \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 26 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993may13 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes hmmm sure 's required ships probably much , since ship goes n't hurt many people ship invested plane spacecraft goes , make quite nasty mess ground , land inappropriate place considering magnitude loss life castle disasters , ca n't believe fred besides breaks close harbor , kiss quite lot population thing chemical know coast guard makes mandatory safety equipment checks use excuse make searches , without warrants suspect , commercial craft need certificate least similiar scope air worthiness certificate dot pat
iastate edu \( aaron \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization iowa state university , ames , ia distribution na lines 42 article boi hp com dianem boi hp com \( diane mathews \) writes article 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , president balls enough stand decision fact reno actually taking responsibility \( gee 's new one politician \) new thing member clinton 's administration actually respect backbone \( never thought 'd say someone bunch \) way understand happened discussed clinton planned waco clinton n't say , gave de facto approval operation things got messed , lot people died horrible deaths \( incorrect , please feel free correct 've able pick \) 've got couple questions whole thing \( 1 \) government feel needed assault compound \? \( 2 \) n't try flush first week fiasco instead waiting 50 days \( 3 \) janet reno jumped take responsibilty take heat away president sound anything like couple reagan 's aides \? aaron
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject poisoning well \( islamic genocide \) organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 46 article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes way , 's consider theist 7 points , consisting rhetorical fallacy , unsupported claims , falsehoods deleted wonder n't see detail claim good remember answered statement theist another correspondent member denomination either stupidity attempt trick answer unlike rest arguments mr , little patience people tell believe , call liar disagree i'm position know believe , say agnostic extremely wary way use words like case , broader definitions gods used persons considered others theists pointed post use one use definitions seems rest assumption moral objective absolute buzz words fond , everybody know , need define exactly user shown recently , easiest way ask definitions course , free speculate motives objecting seeming irrational bigotry wish , flaws point arguments stand merits since one seeing , many correspondents point flaws reasoning respectively discussing , ca n't say impressed benedikt
mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 35 nntp posting host wpi wpi edu article isgtec isgtec com robert isgtec com \( robert osborne \) writes michael frederick rhein \( mfrhein wpi wpi edu \) wrote article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite someone else pointed , would stove use warm day texas agree original theory anything , since utilities turned might using wood stoves cook meals rob robert osborne ! uunet ca ! isgtec ! robert robert isgtec com rob others debating wood stove original post claimed atf fbi pumping napalm building hopes wood stove inside would ignite would wood stove lit first place \? would n't lit heating purposes weather texas everyone claims cooking stop think cs gas pumped building presume everyone wearing gas masks \( either bought type makeshift type \) going 6 hours n't know ever around cs , exposed cs gas part army training , know without mask uncomfortable makes eyes water , nose run , makes sick stomach mask difficult drink water much less eat question cooking food \? buy lantern could knocked caused fire stove used cooking \( unless even crazy atf fbi claim \) michael
netcom com \( john w morris \) subject right \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 48 stuff deleted message god words , right might god words , right might god granted gift life whether sinner saint words , , , position argue one must killed note say god god alone worthy judge , jury executioner called carry duties worthy words , better god wants , else ! god impose rules us \? tell god really god god question creator \? doubt god 's certain situations , claim know better solution \? would playing role god \? words , game , made rules , know whats good 'll play game way careful , make god spoiled little deity ca n't way takes ball goes home mention naw ca n't right , makes sense john morris netcom com san diego , ca opinion ,
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject gamma ray bursters organization lick observatory uco lines 52 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu reply ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu 's message 28 apr 93 21 51 46 gmt article ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) writes article steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes problem oort cloud sources absolutely plausible mechanism proposed would involve new physics far tell closest conventional oort sources model b field pinching comets , 's got many holes count , least good try plausible model grb 's astronomical distances \? n't plausible models grbs distances \) recent observations ruled merging neutron star hypothesis , lot problems , anyhow look implausible models fundamentally allowed independent models hmm , superbowl burst claimed press releases cast doubt merging ns hypothesis , 've read \( n't seen papers , press \) 'd say consistent merging ns models paper possibility grb 's oort cloud came astrophysics abstract service get copy abstract paper indicator events possible sources distributed remain consideration oort cloud comets kept list , although known mechanism generating grbs cometary nuclei unlikely may seem , possibility grbs originate solar cometary cloud cannot excluded disproved propose mechanism grbs oort \( , , anti matter annihilation fit spectra least far understand annihilation spectra \) big difference 's ignoring question fit distribution oort distribution oort distribution well known particular comet \( well known \) good measure oort cloud distribution steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer laws gravity , strict 're bending benefit b b 1988
brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) subject compiling ghostview sun openwindows 3 reply brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) organization vidiot 's hangout lines 23 article curia ucc ie curia ucc ie \( peter flynn \) writes due seems sun 's organisation x libraries includes , standard \( gnu \) software wo n't compile box \( well , tar file \) right i'm trying make ghostview complains ca n't find x11 xaw linked \( ln \) files usr openwin share include x11 thing still complains ca n't find still n't able compile xdvi , way anyone ever managed get anything normal compile sun \( sunos 4 1 3 openwindows 3 \) \? 's trick i'm missing \? 've even tried hard copying relevant files right places every time , 's bit missing refuses find sounds like n't load support libraries ow3 0 loaded xaw support missing 0 added 3 0 harvard ucbvax ! uwvax ! astroatc ! ftms ! brown uu2 psi com ! ftms ! brown rutgers internet brown wi extrel com ftms ! brown astroatc uucp cs wisc edu
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject peace talks resume nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 63 article 392 jcpltyo jcpl co jp ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( \) writes article news service uci edu tim clock writes tc , , agree \( sort \) peace process needed \? tc particular points mentioned article \? tc israel \( supposedly \) going propose good \? go far \? tc far enough \? tc n't agree peace process needed , \? personally think peace process needed , since negotiations future generations able live stability unfortunately think like , cases like anas omran , hamza , jle , mohammed reza , abu abed , anwar mohammed others think jihad solution ca n't avoid throwing gut reactions see extremist views newsgroup , 're certainly going better real world hey , easy reading offending post , step back , take deep breathing exercises , gallon ice cream \( sex , whichever \) , reply something usual king hill mentality view israel made gestures towards arab foes opposite given us proposed \? palestinians proposed \? palestinians would revoke rewrite charter , condemn acts palestinian violence would good start perhaps , starting immediate accusation particularly good way generate open responses \? explaining see israel 's real worries need addressed \? since side sees israel 's gestures completely different light , perhaps also real worries point view , \? worries addressed \? palestinians gain negotiations seems though strong enough make decisions plagued internal strife , getting anywhere fundamentalism slowly taking territories , late discuss issues palestinians since vow destruction israel certainly much harder reach compromise \( , even sit talk \) side several different ideologies , set demands generate unity side , anything israel \( without sacrificing security , position \) encourage along lines israel prefers \? arabs must take example egypt egypt came bargaining table , got wanted israel peace cooperation two countries tougher play ball israel tougher israel gets tsiel tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
willamette edu \( thomas herzog \) subject 25mhz iisi article organization willamette university , salem lines 10 finally decided risk upgrade , faq hand 've gathered pieces together problem n't able find anyone 's even heard thermal tape glue \( faq recommends attaching heat sink \) tempted use duct tape anyone ideas attaching heat sink processor \? \? much thanks tom willamette edu
mdw hr att com \( mark wuest \) subject doctrine original sin organization lines 53 article may 11 02 38 56 1993 athos rutgers edu eugene bigelow ebay sun com writes eugene bigelow writes n't bible say god fair god sic \? true , possibly fair infants \? andrew byler writes mean fair \? god , giving everyone deserve infants sin time conception \( cf romans 5 12 , psalm 1 7 \) , cannot possibly merit heaven , purgatory purging temporal punishment sins , impossible sin forgiven fair punish , rest humanity adam eve \? suppose parents committed crime born one day cops come door throw jail would really think fair \? know would n't well , suppose mother crack addict crack user abuser pregnant \? suppose husband gave \( recently happened close friend wife mine \) \? often , consequences sin least partially inflicted innocent people several times ot , pointed , even saying descendants would suffer consequences person 's sin several generations even today , see multi \( coin phrase \) effects , child abuse , abuse name three , god 's definition fair differ points perspective though predisposition towards sinning \( see webster 's first definition \) thanks adam , arrogant foolish us think would done different shoes know pretty well , i'm good take god 's word , neither one righteous important , person decides disciple jesus , god promises supernatural help overcoming physical self 's sinful tendency , course , choose ignore help \( rom 7 , 8 \) god made mankind upright , men gone search many schemes mark mark wuest opinions , 's ! ! mdw violin hr att com \( sun mailtool ok \) mdw trumpet hr att com \( next mail \)
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject selling powerbook 100s organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 54 article 1993apr21 csus edu altheimm nextnet csus edu \( murray altheim \) writes article senator bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) writes pb 100 might selling soon upgrade duo graduation , take advantage educational discount recently bought sold pb 100 , kind price get \? info config pb100 appreciated thanks cam daly cam , several months ago bought 4 40 pb100 external floppy , appletalk remote access , kensington case ac adapter complete documentation almost new condition , used us 900 considered good buy cosy little baby \) murray put pb100 4 20 ext floppy , appletalk remote , ac adapter , fresh box \( used , buyer switched 140 arrival sold unopened box purchased last october 925 later bought used v 32 9600 bps internal fax modem something like 225 , i'm using right ! works great ! \) real complaints love portable system \( got color home setup also mac ii \) reasoning programs school simulations dynamic control systems sometimes took hours \( overnight \) run , tying mac ii got pb100 fast modem light work run stuff figured 'd give little sister next year goes college 's running system 7 1 without problems also sometimes terminal university 's vax vms \( nice thing benchmarks average 230 times faster mac iifx \) , pb100 graphical output terminal emulation \( hard \) fabulous setup ! ! ! ! \) ! ! ! \( way , software class accounts also ta class used site license take home , destroy later site release licenses pirating , 're wondering great program ! ! ! \) like add , whatever future system get , almost never get enuff memory buy 's cheap buy get computer since 's usually cheaper upgrading always run disk space syquest mac iisi , never worried space got several carts \) shishin squish yamada squish endor harvard edu
dan c siu edu \( dan ellison \) subject scientific graphing looking run time library organization southern illinois university , il \( siu c \) distribution usa lines 27 1993may10 serval net wsu edu d3e758 bucky pnl gov \( je pelkey \) writes article hawnews watson ibm com watson ibm com \( art goldberg \) writes x gurus looking scientific graphing run time x library want code open window , plot graph window library manage plotting , scaling axes , labeling , etc someone recommend library \? please respond via e mail would also interested information check vogle libraries beleive still available ftp c siu edu i'm sure n't seen new announcements software i'm sure 's still around used real time data display analysis well producing graphs fact works well supports numerous graphics output formats \( including x \) tried liked may well dan ellison , network spec computing affairs , siu c southern illinois university , il fax \( 618 \) 453 phone \( 618 \) 453
well sf ca us \( frank giraffe \) subject sharks jack feirerra \( sharks kingston fired ! ! ! \) nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link lines 31 broadcast home games away games broadcast road pacific mountain time games jack ticket prices 27 38 two years \( i'm going pay 120 bucks 3 seats 'll probably next virtual 107 folks \) tell priority let sell priority order get free jacket , force order tickets next season get select section let park new arena paying , let 's start whole topic show bad sharks things swear partial plan games televised \( know , i'm exaggerating , \) order new ticket prices suck wait 'till people try park games next year public transit \? yeah right , 'd love take 3 hours see 3 hour game shelling hundreds dollars partial season plans two years doesnt mean anything sharks , get pick seats dead rise graves claim seats ! \) frank frank giraffe well sf ca us apple , pacbell , ucbvax ! well ! noose tightens necks , worry burning flags pee work keep jobs
vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) subject montreal quebec organization michigan state university lines 18 nntp posting host euler lbs msu edu summary montreal wins game 3 , without controversy keywords montreal wins game get back series anyone see montreal quebec game yesterday \? tight right last second third period overtime roy hextall played like gods ok , montreal ! deserved getting first goal overtime waved puck hit high stick second goal overtime also replayed , could tell montreal player kicked puck definitely directed stick anyways , montreal back series dave vergolini michigan state university vergolin euler lbs msu edu
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 62 nntp posting host apple com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article morrow stanford edu steve sep stanford edu \( steve cole \) writes think three headed gm 's guiding principle keep veterans favor youngsters offered significant advantage n't sound like bad strategy , fact , ferreira 's original strategy , proceeded simply continue implement n't exactly radical shift policy \( something people seem forget \) real question whether well ferreira could stayed , whether basic strategy flawed \( since ferreira saying 's going something different anaheim ducks , guess n't good practice paper , 's tweaking bit second time around \) one also wonder whether strategy would lot better n't injuries , whether 're complaining weather earthquake collapsed root cellar course , ferreira also traded number veterans marginal contributions fired , 's clear would different besides , marginal contributors let 's also forget ferreira came close trading kelly kisio , , rumors 've heard true , strong objections aspects shark management probably lot three headed , consensus oriented gm imagine , second , sharks would today fax machine n't jammed without mullen , n't going playoff team good hang onto player 'd rather elsewhere \? especially unhappy player n't playing well 'd accuse mullen , motivation simply n't , kind thing affect team example season , skriko brought trial basis kept , age thought decent contributor worth keeping around youth movement advantages look gaudreau might still kc veterans kept around find right balance right balance \? 's issue exactly time let skriko go , n't yet major injury bugs killed us later 'd much rather skriko around someone like dean kolstad , point , n't choice since choice one skriko vs someone like john carter , think right choice made time period chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
jls atg com \( jerome schneider \) reply jls atg com distribution world subject questions dos external join command organization aspen technology group x mailer 2 1 modified lines 66 article spud hyperion com , author writes setting dos unix box ide scsi drive wondering use \( ms dos 5 0 \) join command like way sets things since wo n't stick c e \( crap \) dos enforces like would mimic mount points unix filesystems heard problems using , least older versions dos please tell ! using join command many years , mostly good success unix style file mounts hear lots people cursing join confuse dos append command \( truely hack \) , n't believe also hear people saying microsoft recommends use join , microsoft 's windows 4 workgroups resource toolkit , following appears join , ms dos utility , works fine windows workgroups 3 1 change state joined drives windows workgroups 3 1 session includes adding removing joined drives within windows workgroups recommend use join running windows setup windows workgroups 3 1 within caveat , join appears valid windows however , found couple applications n't deal well filesystems mounted using join particular , worst offender word windows 2 0x gets confused edit try save file joined drive wants create saved file nnnnn tmp current dir , delete old file rename nnnnn tmp file doc file unfortunately , wfw usually writes nnnnn tmp file idiotic place current directory \( often root dir joined filesystem , always \) , deleting original doc file , ca n't find nnnnn tmp file rename unless search disk systems , document gone also found subtle problems using mks toolkit dos box joined filesystems present used join c temp 4meg ramdisk , mks sometimes gets confused ls c temp dir , misses files temp dir \( difficult reproduce , goes away totally join used \) think windows problem , rather mks 's , since works ok raw dos , would suggest use join , aware may robust would like would n't real great mount network drives \( e z \) main file tree , rather darned drive letters \? unfortunately , join wo n't let talk net simple patch let join work network drives , n't remember source 's bad join command better implemented , since would avoid using stupid drive letters realize meant casual , even ignorant users , mounting drives one file tree might confusing , looks like ms going carry windows nt \( another os meant casual , even users ! \) 's old family system baggage , maybe ms needs recovery group get life \( jerome \( jerry \) schneider domain jls atg com aspen technology group uucp uunet ! csn ! ! jls po box 673 , ft collins , co voice \( 303 \) 484
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization stratus computer , inc lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article oracle nl , nl oracle com \( jason durbin \) writes even half speculations conspiracy made true , would expect people calling atf , fbi , texas rangers , congress branches us government immediately disbanded exceptions well , 're goes prove still n't understand 're saying jeez , people really beleive crap \? also beleive zionist occupation government tooth fairy \? 've lived bombing cambodia lai inflated body counts vietnam funding watergate kent state domestic spying cia edwin 's pornography commission war drugs civil seizure move disaster la disaster waco really believe government always right \? admittedly mistakes made attribute malice rather stupidity \? watch news next couple months watch whole government initiated debacle turns shouting gun control 's already started cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
manaster yu edu \( chaim manaster \) subject cfv comp publish cdrom hardware , multimedia , software organization university lines 225 nntp posting host rodan uu net c l l f r v e official call vote creation 3 newsgroups engaged interested areas relating publishing sort cdrom material please repost cfv newsgroup , listserver reflector think might group interested subject order reach broad audience possible every vote counts , make sure register want groups created proposed groups comp publish cdrom hardware comp publish cdrom software comp publish cdrom multimedia status unmoderated voting period appearance posting 23 59 est , 21 may 1993 vote votes must emailed manaster yu edu sent reply originator cfv \( manaster yu edu \) vote , simply copy example delete either yes group register vote creation group line containing yes example , considered respect particular group note group separate vote count may split vote groups abstain please provide name e mail address shown example email vote following example subject vote comp publish cdrom vote yes creation comp publish cdrom software vote yes creation comp publish cdrom hardware vote yes creation comp publish cdrom multimedia last name , first name \( e mail address \) voting rules one vote per user \( two different people cannot vote user name \) votes received voting period discarded anyone wants change previous vote may voting must indicate previously voted changing mind footnote changed vote discard previous vote email messages sent addresses must constitute unambiguous unconditional votes newsgroup creation proposed conditional votes accepted votes emailed addresses counted mailed replies posting discarded event one vote placed individual , first vote counted unless changed information supplied people voting final acknowledgment made end , time full vote made public ambiguous votes ambiguous votes follow specified format , make clear voter 's intent , , possible , returned senders clarification ambiguous votes cannot returned senders clarification provided identified final vote tally every vote counts feel free flood mail ! ! ! rationale rationale proposal need interested involved publishing cdrom materials forum discussion relating needs moment main discussion alt cd rom comp multimedia neither publishing focus lists serve general cdrom community focuses library , government network usage , several weeks ago none devoted publishing \( setup \) case list , ought , replacement regular usenet newsgroups reason division three groups natural partition interest hardware software topics , two main focal points software , e multimedia publishing topics cdrom xa , cdi , cd r , photo cd related formats would included well topics related cdrom publishing neither clearly hardware software related books , copyright issues legal matters , packaging , distribution , could included comp publish cdrom software , would multimedia topic relates way cdrom publishing , format , appropriate internet main focus comp publish cdrom software would topics index retrieval software , software , cdrom simulation software , hypertext , sgml , scanning imaging software , data capture software , data clean , compression , encryption etc relates publishing cdroms main focus comp publish cdrom multimedia would software aids multimedia authoring publishing process audio video main focus comp publish cdrom hardware would hardware relates cdrom publishing , well hardware data capture , sorts scanners data capture hardware , well information publishers need know hardware intended utilize \( hardware eventually play published cdrom \) including networks cdrom notes groups used topics reviews questions relating already published cdroms reviews questions relating general purpose cdrom drives like requests help installing cdrom drive general topics directed questions cdroms mounted directed bit listserv charter proposed charter comp publish cdrom software usenet newsgroup , comp publish cdrom software , newsgroup discussion following example topics , limited index retrieval software authoring software scanning imaging software ocr ocr cleanup hypertext sgml simulation \( cdrom \) software copyright legal issues related publishing cdroms topics related cdrom publishing proposed charter comp publish cdrom hardware usenet newsgroup , comp publish cdrom hardware , newsgroup discussion following example topics , limited cd r equipment data capture hardware scanners video audio capture hardware networking hardware midi hardware photo cd hardware publishing systems cdi dvi hardware compression encryption hardware hardware publishing topics proposed charter comp publish cdrom multimedia usenet newsgroup , comp publish cdrom multimedia newsgroup discussion following example topics , limited multimedia authoring software imaging software audio midi software color control software video editing software audio editing software multimedia utilities useful publishers integration text , image , audio video compression encryption multimedia multimedia copyright related legal issues multimedia databases hypertext multimedia publishing topics henry manaster email manaster yu edu brooklyn , ny disclaimer necessarily opinion anyone else \) \? \? \? \? !
rsc altair csustan edu \( steve cunningham \) subject acm siggraph registration problem summary 's fixed organization csu lines 29 zyda cs nps navy mil \( michael zyda \) notes word warning registering siggraph '93 received registration form back mail envelope marked return sender moved left address closed po box address used register siggraph '93 one printed registration form acm siggraph '93 po box , chicago , il 5316 printed envelope best printing , honest evidently siggraph '93 skipped town moved \? ended faxing registration 312 321 hope number real ! michael zyda problem called people handle box problem happened time ago caught almost instantly going address fixed see trouble get n't , mike \? , siggraph 93 skipped town 're preparing best siggraph conference yet ! steve cunningham
aaron minster york ac uk subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) distribution world organization department computer science , university york , england lines 22 shamim zvonko mohamed \( sham cs arizona edu \) wrote bullshit ! ! ! gulf massacre , 7 ordnance used smart rest 's 93 regular , dumb ol' iron bombs stuff forgotten pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage \? successful interception scud defined patriot scud passed area sky \? 7 smart stuff , 35 hit try follow means 65 smart arsenal missed used full figures including tons bombs dropped number cluster munitions used heard 90 laser guided weapons hit , unprecedented rate success 25 iron weapons hit , unprecedented following rough estimate , means 80 , 000 tons bombs dropped us aircraft around 56 , 000 tons missed i'm sure proportion dropped baghdad rather troop concentrations iraq kuwait much dropped cluster munitions , rounds many artillery rounds napalm fuel air explosives also used \( remember told weapons mass destruction naughty indeed \? \)
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject go hell ! ! ! organization distribution na lines 20 article 27k portal hq videocart com , dfuller portal hq videocart com \( dave fuller \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu \( \) writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! mean prepared \? \? surrounded thumpers like proven hellish enough i'm even dead yet ! ! well 's prepared got one big beach , gel pack ice things , big coleman cooler 've loaded miller draft \( like miller draft , sue \) , new pair new balance sneakers , sony watchman , couple cheese popcorn n't decided wear yet one wear eternal damnation \? dean kaflowitz
arun g andrew cmu edu subject honda mailing list \? organization freshman , biology , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 6 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply 94539 hydra gatech edu excerpts netnews rec autos 24 apr 93 honda mailing list \? james b atkins prism ga honda mailing list , subscribe \? look magazine ads , may phone number call ask catalog list , etc
tarnold vnet ibm com \( todd w arnold \) subject des code shipped canada \? organization ibm cryptographic facility development disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 netcom com lines 22 article 1993apr22 fripp ri cadre com rj ri cadre com writes someone canada asked send public domain des file encryption code legal send \? believe 's legal send des code equipment us canada export license think place countries require license aside , 've always thought legal send des software anywhere , follow rules 1 encrypt des software des 2 send encrypted software recipient 3 send key recipient way person end use des software already des available otherwise , ca n't decrypt program , useless 've guaranteed already des , really violated law sending form program \? \? i'm sure 's still illegal , seems like good idea todd
redmond cs cmu edu \( redmond english \) subject diamond stealth help ! nntp posting host cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 37 hello , diamond stealth vram card \( older version dip switches back \) two problems 1 \) 've lost manual ! ! ! 2 \) machine network card , everything works fine run windows , network connection dies \( case 's important , network card smc arcnet 8 bit compatable card 's address 's ram base address d000 's also using irq 2 \) believe file diamond bboard explains sort , manual , n't know bboard number , please help many following possible \) send diamond bbs number b \) e mail \( post \) dip switch settings card \( fax \( 412 \) 521 \) c \) tell i'm wrong , get everything working help would much appreciated thanks advance , red
\( \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 18 article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
lead egr msu edu \( terminator \) subject espn organization college engineering , michigan state university lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host lead egr msu edu article randolin 3 polisci umn edu , randolin polisci umn edu \( robert andolina \) writes thing confuses espn decided show penguins devils thursday night first two games dominated pitt , would think would show different game addition fact show games sake fair exposure espn must poor marketing people concerned featuring players \( e mario \) featuring good competitive hockey also , know \( far tell \) espn going show campbell conference games regularly first two rounds believe going show campbell games first two rounds series wear \( games 6 7 , perhaps games 5 , 6 , 7 \) 've heard market east coast hence would prefer wales stuff also , n't expect canadian teams espn summary , want see network provides good hockey coverage , watch cbc canada may biased toward canadian teams , n't treat viewers like idiots , provide nice updates , cherry always provide laughs
world std com \( paul c duggan \) subject baptism requires faith organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 118 article may 12 04 26 21 1993 athos rutgers edu aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) writes colossians 2 11 12 also circumcised , putting sinful nature , circumcision done christ , buried baptism raised faith power god , raised dead baptism , raised new life christ \( romans 6 4 \) personal faith power god parent 's faith cannot infants faith \? let 's look bible say n't think issue whether infants faith relevant certainly , example john proves find translation col 2 odd terms circumcision christ , kjv rsv put terms christ 's , union participate putting body sins flesh also , perhaps cor 2 12 dividing act burial baptism , independant faith , experience rising christ faith says faith \? interpretation advantage explaining baptized , benefit , serves put kingdom nonetheless like israelites \( , children included \) baptized cloud sea , advantage add baptism faith obedience baptism faith , done strictly speaking basis faith parent , promise god grace , grace kingdom , disguise later apostacy romans 10 16 17 israelites accepted good news isaiah says , 'lord , believed message \? ' consequently , faith comes hearing message , message heard word christ receive god 's gift faith us hear message gospel faith possible response hearing god 's word preached kids yet spiritually , intellectually , emotionally mature enough respond god 's word hence cannot faith therefore cannot raised baptism new life teach child pray lord 's prayer \? expect steal \? faith appropriate condition new covenant , shall longer say know lord , shall know least unto greatest heb 8 11 read ezekiel 18 , see god n't hold us guilty anyone else 's sins original guilt adam also according ezekiel 18 , god hold innocent anyone basis anyone elses thus jesus could federal head adam , 's ezekiel talking shall make ezekiel 18 contradict second well \? ezekiel 18 31 32 rid offenses , get new heart new spirit die , house israel \? take pleasure death anyone , declares sovereign lord repent live ! way please god repent get new heart spirit kids cannot acts 2 38 39 says repent baptized , receive new spirit , holy spirit shall live ezekiel 36 25 26 indicates new heart given god , context water baptism action god new order , question personal faith romans 5 12 therefore , sin entered world one man , death sin , way death came men , sinned sin death entered world first man sinned death came man man sinned note 's good read romans 5 12 21 verses easier misunderstand others , read context see saying basically thing let 's look one death came sin personal death , dead state \( sin \) covenant death , adam , federal head gave dominion devil death psalm 51 5 surely sinful birth , sinful time mother conceived whole psalm wonderful example humble god repentance sinning david man god 's heart wrote psalm committing murdering husband david saying ca n't remember time n't sinful humbling god confessing sinfulness saying sinful birth hyperbole bible , inspired god , n't limited literal , also uses figures speech jesus \( john 16 25 \) another example hyperbole , see luke 14 26 psalm 's language , hyperbolic , one necessarily imply hyperbolic language psalm v 5 likely refering symbolized ot laws \( make intercourse acts god \) whole psalm language ot ritual \( , cleansing , burnt offering , etc \) david 's sin included element , cleanse symbolized ot ritual truth sin passed 's organ generation cut 's brith unclean death , babies born dead , needed washed newness life , baptism today paul duggan
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject live free , quietly , die organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 19 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article agate berkeley edu , robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) writes article sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes article cbnewsm cb att com , shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) writes n't mean former motorcyclist \? ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , i'm sure 's perfectly reasonable explanation yep ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
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stein u washington edu \( kerry ryan \) subject looking info \( sp \? \) article shelley organization university washington lines 4 nntp posting host stein u washington edu hello , friend going \( sp \? \) breast cancer i'm trying learn info would appreciated thanks
anderson dseg ti com \( john anderson \) subject gateway 2000 zeos compare organization ti dseg spring creek nntp posting host mcs jha dseg ti com reply anderson dseg ti com lines 22 article uucp cs yorku ca \( chin h lam \) writes think buying new computer mail order , looking gateway 2000 66v zeos 's system better \( terms value , price , , service \) , canada , wonder level service states \? n't know canada , heard people translation work new , like good response service another seriously considering buying one john h anderson texas instruments inc internet anderson dseg ti com po box ms compuserve , plano , tx 214 575 fax 214 575
nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu subject books organization sponsored account , school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 23 edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) writes 're topic books , anyone else noticed paine 's age reason hard find 've wanting pick copy , bad enough mail order 've noticed though none bookstores go seem carry thought supposed classic 's deal \? actually , 've got entire list books written various atheist authors went largest bookstore area \( pittsburgh \) could n't find section bookstore find kinds books \? look alternative bookstore \? help would appreciated \( send list want \) thanks , nanci know \( sure \) author quote , please send email \( nm0w andrew cmu edu \) fate country depend kind paper drop ballot box year , kind man drop chamber street every morning
sol cis udel edu \( bruce \) subject supra modem 2400 scale keywords 2400 baud modem nntp posting host sol cis udel edu organization university texas san antonio lines 7 upgraded supra 9600 fax modem , supra 2400 modem sale 50 h approx 1 3 years old excellent working condition send email rosen ringer cs utsa edu , call 210 691 bruce rosen
ttrusk mcw edu \( thomas trusk \) subject krillean photography organization medical college wisconsin lines 22 reply ttrusk mcw edu nntp posting host pixel mcw edu article vxcrna cern ch filipe vxcrna cern ch \( vinci \) writes kirlian imaging \? believe faq sci skeptics \( sp \? \) nice write would certainly supportive helping build device connect supply take serious look aura \) filipe santos cern european laboratory particle physics switzerland please sign relevant documents forward remaining parts study 120 kv human tissue wrapped thanks support dr thomas trusk dept cellular biology anatomy email ttrusk mcw edu medical college wisconsin milwaukee , wi disclaimer \( ala foghorn leghorn \) \( 414 \) 257 's joke , son joke say !
jsh nswses navy mil \( jeffrey , , \) subject reply jsh nswses navy mil organization sun microsystems , inc lines 10 medium format camera sale includes 2 lenses , 1 film back , view finder 2 200 00 firm contact via e mail info live ride , ride live jsh nswses navy mil statements made mine alone navy 's far know
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject coreldraw bitmap scodal lines 21 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article zephyr grace cri nz , srlnjal grace cri nz writes anyone know software allow convert coreldraw \( cdr \) files containing bitmaps scodal , format bureau 's corel draw version 2 onwards version 1 perhaps upgrade order another alternative would use different bureau take postscript chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject long term space voyanges effect newsgroup \? organization u toronto zoology lines 11 article 1993apr26 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes vote later sci space medicine similar newsgroup fro discussion long term missions space affects humans bother new newsgroup \? want discuss subject , start discussing enough traffic annoy rest us , let know time new newsgroup svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject homosexuals reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 17 several replies post said get know christian homosexuals judging maintain judging saying homosexuality wrong would like look responces post make general evaluation people responded side christianity homosexuality compatible \( homosexuals know many e mail responces \) n't normally make assumptions groups people , since asked many opposing point far people made wild assumptions , put n't resources others , even reverted name calling n't think representation homosexual christians show christ 's love , bryan
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject little satanic organization sgi lines 56 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article mimsy umd edu , mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes jon livesey writes said people took time copy text correctly translations present completely different issues read papers texts different versions ot texts misunderstand \? reading newspapers learn kind stuff best idea world newspaper reporters notoriously ignorant subject religion , prone exaggeration interests real story \( , bigger headline \) let 's back 1935 point , masoretic text , various \( translations commentaries aramaic , etc \) , septuagint , ancient greek translation masoretic text standard jewish text essentially vary places obvious , copied faithfully copy copy passages past interpreted reference septuagint took time copy text correctly , includes obvious \? , septuagint differs masoretic text two particulars first , includes additional texts , second , passages variant readings masoretic text \( addition fixing various corrupted passages \) must emphasized , best knowledge , variations bible scholars , little theological import took time copy text correctly , exclude variant readings masoretic text little theological import dead sea scroll materials add ancient copy almost isaiah fragments various sizes almost ot books also abundance material , far know , sign hebrew apocrypha \( extra texts septuagint \) far analysis proceeded , also variations dss texts masoretic versions tend reflect septuagint , latter n't obviously error , though , differences \( thus far \) significant theologically big expectation great theological surprises lurking material , far n't happened dss important almost textual tradition ot , unlike nt hey , 're expert jon
genesis nred us subject creating fli flc animation files \? organization genesis public access unix 1 508 664 lines 15 looking means add fli flc animation creation windows application hoping something along lines autodesk creation delta compressed animations seems coded large memory model dos turbo c ideally would like dll medium model object library , would settle anything , really 've seen windows apps fli flc creation , hack code submission \? pointers would appreciated , please send mail directly summarize results interest andrew hudson genesis nred us
sang shin launchpad unc edu \( sang shin \) subject krypto cables \( cobra locks \) summary love cobra keywords nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service distribution usa lines 38 hi i'm sure guy \( ca n't track post name \) talking made claim cobralinks adjustable 's space link teeth locking head notch thus , link possible locking point also , \( applicable hard core thieves cart around liquid nitrogen oxy acetylene torches \) cobralinks look lot effective kryptonite cable locks \( imho \) think initial appearance effect relevant bored nominally adept cracking bike deterrence , long lock nominally functional finally , notice ride leathers , harness boots , cobralinks across like \( btw , 've crashed rain dressed like lock n't vertebrae \) , cagers give much wider berth , n't hassle , tend avoid potentially inflammatory action love cobralinks almost much love pre 80 's honda dinosaur \( think put lock \( e , body \) feel bike already shaking away \) first post wrong \) \? sang dod '80 cx500 p cx500 owners \? please e mail got questions weird handling bike opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
matt ra oc com \( matthew lyle \) subject clipper chip reverse engineering organization openconnect systems , dallas , tx lines 31 maa plato ds boeing com \( mark \) writes mention algorithm classified expressed concerns ideas figure algorithm using software question cant someone take one chips reverse engineer \? mean , take thing chip testing analysis facility , one decent electron microscope pry top chip start scanning electron figure circuitry remembered place use work one facilities used analyze chips accidently blew running tests could actually find area fried show us circuit sure many companies universities must facilities potential , especially university security facility looser , someone take clipper apart analyze \? government prevent \? start taking away analysis facilities electron microscopes \? \? using technology developed vlsi systems , manufacturer clipper chips , produces chips supposed highly resistant reverse engineering matthew lyle matt oc com matt utdallas bitnet openconnect system , dallas , texas \( 214 \) 888
muller inria fr \( christophe muller \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization simulog , france lines 16 interesting look change \( \) mind john interested indeed ! kind changes gnu copyleft protecting us anyway , simulog , abandon xv using mostly slide shows loop feature display \( display wonderful imagemagick package ! \) , think implement \( even shell script job \) forget xv cheers , christophe muller simulog fr police \? ma'am , 're musicians
vme com \( ken \) subject apple going ship cd300i 's \? reply vme com \( ken \) organization corporation , madison , wi lines 18 article menudo uh edu ln63sdm sdcc4 ucsd edu writes cd300 \( external \) already shipping shipping quite awhile demand units high , pretty rare 've seen listed around 525 550 local computer stores campus mac reseller 've also heard rumors bundled couple cd 's , mention previous article searching 300 external drive call apple catalog recommended told drives back ordered may 8 placed order anyways two days later visit federal express well , guess spent weekend course ended paying list price get free copy pc exchange order apple catalog may want check internal drives btw , older version gatekeeper \( n't recall version \) , hung mac trying access photocd audio disk got newer version mention conflict apple 4 xx cd driver
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 48 article 1993apr22 galileo cc rochester edu , as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes sigh 're absolutely right political power whatsoever true california , homosexuals enough power impose morals others moral 're imposing one supposedly embrace already every human 's right treated n't expect hired based sexual orientation someone decides wants gay staff employees , 's business wo n't force hire heterosexuals please n't force hire homosexuals therefore , oppressed ignored , right \? n't oppressed california 's ok oppress us , 's 're saying ! i'm saying 's none government 's business two consenting adults private n't believe , unfortunately certainly hope n't , sir , heard disparaging towards political minorities , shred self respect , 'd door keep insulting women blacks comparing homosexuals \? sort crap makes fucking sick ca n't even bring touch 're perspective , valid life experience , true knowledge human condition see point trying convince politely 're like ones 've met , 're showing willingness open minded enough accept stupid generalizations exceptions intellectual waste , reason believe worst homosexuals bring worst bi andrew simchik schnopia ! yet another reminder emotional instability homosexuals clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject upon time organization stratus computer , inc lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 4401 swan pyr , pyr swan ac uk \( r b \) writes american european universities full angry young people \( tm \) wanted overthrow government , would n't think twice molotov cocktail national guard \( military police europe \) certainly , would bad form take anything system \( tm \) said face value end sixties begining seventies , i'm told young remember something wrong happened along way , i'm afraid maybe west became comfortable , maybe born late \( , disappointed youth today , n't ironic i'm generation , remember lesson cry see postings domestic edu sites swallowed everything government seen fit feed especially contrasted post uk yet 2 \) difference lining 90 people wall executing , causing deaths negligence honestly hope witnessed latter say , alternative horrible contemplate suspect saw latter however , injustice implied letting involved escape without investigation prosecution also horrible contemplate cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
subject zionism racism amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply center policy research 's message 25 apr 93 05 27 pdt lines 41 center policy research cpr igc apc org writes center policy research cpr subject zionism racism diaspora 'a julian lindsay jewish chronicle , london , 22 dec 1989 leading israeli author cultural commentator , b yehoshua , launched ferocious attack diaspora jewry zionist youth council meeting north london , last week diaspora , claimed , cancer connected main tissue jewish people failure act holocaust deleted jewish values israel embraced every aspect daily life , unlike diaspora , jews responsibility country lived , said warned modern hebrew , unifying force jewish people , would struggle future , especially literary circles faced fierce competition english language \? amos amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
cleveland freenet edu \( mike \) subject ms mouse newer 8 6 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 11 reply jonas cz nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hello , need microsoft mouse driver , newer 8 6 going dos window ms windows , must freeware version 7 00 tx mike `` ' ```` ' '' ' ''
michaelh public btr com \( michael hahn michaelh btr com \) subject cnn tape shows tank starting fire organization btr unix bbs email hub info btr contact support btr com lines 10 distribution world nntp posting host public btr com friend recorded cnn news gassing bd 's went carefully today , found something interesting tank pulling house , fireball , maybe 24 across lasts 1 second exactly ten minutes thirty nine seconds later , smoke starts billowing area building , i'm govt , might really weather balloon something perhaps someone would check comment
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject day organization case western reserve university lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article dr pepper east sun com geoff east sun com \( geoff arnold sun bos r h coast near top \) writes raymond quote big sig , deserves posting imho big sig \? way ! keith home sig files ryan \) private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
vax2 concordia ca \( chen , xia \) subject news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host vax2 concordia ca organization concordia university lines 0
kimbark uchicago edu \( steven lane \) subject quickdraw gx \( rest inside mac 's due \? \) reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 16 article apple com opstad apple com \( david opstad \) writes sorry delay replying message showed today \( 23 apr \) apple com quickdraw gx replacement quickdraw two live quite happily together may write app uses gx want , may write hybrid app uses something asked , n't think got answer , maybe lost answer , maybe 's obvious question \( \) gx stuff \( line docs etc \) available develop cds , go people developer 's program \? curious steve lane
frank neumann informatik uni oldenburg de \( frank neumann \) subject happened dkb l trearn \? \? \? organization university oldenburg , germany lines 16 hi , david k drum writes listserv told list n't exist ! got global list groups listserv nothing ! every string could think frank , ville saari , andre beck , anyone else 's regular dkb l tell going , please ! sent mail turgut \( sp \? \) , maintainer list , asked 's going list \( whatever reason \) really dead , might put list , want wait answer frank ps thought would another period silence
seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) subject accepting jeesus heart organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 86 article apr 29 01 29 24 1993 geneva rutgers edu johnsd2 rpi edu writes article geneva rutgers edu , seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes deletia recovery programs , etc need show thing spiritual need may necessary show spirits \( souls , whatnot \) exist god important far tell get feeling debating cross purposes see fundamental assumptions , perhaps makes answers orthogonal questions try perhaps believe nothing exists aside objectively observable provable things case , cannot show thing spirit spiritual need things exist realm objective , realm subjective otoh , wish simply \( explicitly , please \) assume spirits exist , show would needs , handles needs way assume god exists help 'll play along \( , assume mean alcoholics anonymous , alt atheism \) would say aa handles spiritual needs rather would say aa \( 12 step programs \) help people come terms needs ie aa recovery , part recovery , recognize spiritual needs , begin rely higher power \( 12 step 's term \) fill instead whatever substance abuse accustomed \( sorry , objective proof either way take 2 identical alcoholics try one recover fulfilling spiritual needs , one without externally compare difference talking virtually infinite complexity people \) say , god necessary component spiritual needs truely understand sounds like spirits needs fulfilled god , masked ways \( drugs etc \) case , leave god describe problem , solution spiritual needs could defined things people need addition physical requirements like air , food , sleep , etc things like need love acceptance , need meaning life one denies existence spiritual things , one would presumably call emotional needs reason christians call spiritual needs aspects except spiritual means ie person could loved accepted many people , many meaningful things , still need love , satisfied love god problem people accept existence needs , people reject since believe absolute truth , people right , others wrong 2 possibilities 1 \) christians right , spiritual needs ie need god realize need god deluded n't recognized yet 2 \) christians wrong , spiritual needs brain chemicals well adjusted properly integrated personalities things christians simply using concept god spiritual needs mask inadequacies hate point , existence spirits spiritual needs cannot objectively demonstrated proven , like existence god cannot yes , means risk subjective evidence manufactured brain chemicals hand , could venture say risk everything appear objectively know really manufactured brain chemicals suspect answer request evidence demonstration existence spirits spiritual needs , assertion things objectively said , christian side agnosticism , pushed fence subjective evidence \( , raised christian , case simply accepting indoctrinated \) seanna watson bell northern research , pray end living , \( seanna bnr ca \) ottawa , ontario , canada philosophies creeds , god find people busy opinion , opinions \? oh opinions planting trees sowing seeds , 're bnr 's , 're mine knew 'd left somewhere fred kaan
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject wanted police officers answer posting organization louisiana tech university lines 26 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article csundh30 ursa csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes heh attitude stopped \? speaking guy recieved verbal warning 55 , laugh , back riding purple water buffalo , jumped intersection front cop waiting light ! side street hidden buy building corner n't see till airborne middle intersection parked , helment liscence turned corner ass let go ! first admit squidly thing , jumping intersection like cop nailed find polite , honest , let get away lot stuff p shock mounts folded next day guess deserved ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject teflon development organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 24 hausner qucis queensu ca \( hausner \) pontificated sorry split hairs , read making atomic bomb \( \) teflon developed world war 2 needed tubing uranium passed gradually enriched corrosive , inert yet flexible material needed seals split split hair , believe teflon \( \) discovered accident someone n't remember found thought liquid \( gas \? \) turned solid happend fit bill use i'm crossposting sci materials perhaps someone know might elaborate \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) know believe understand think said sure realize said meant
jasons atlastele com \( jason smith \) subject good jesus died \? organization atlas telecom inc lines 63 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article 1993apr21 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote hmm , seems core christianity , feel guilty , 's single personality save universal guilt feeling brian , tell secret , n't feel guilty , mistakes , regret , however 've never huge guilt feeling hanging shoulder tell another secret get burning sensation hand every time hold candle pain fill entire body , i'm told longer hold , less 'll hurt \( 'll eventually burn nerves , i'm told \) suppose ignore pain , holding hand candle something want 've got right , n't \? body feels pain let know something wrong 's body 's alarm system informing something needs attention fever tells sick , need sort care guilt seen emotional spiritual alarm , informing something 've done requires attention n't require personality type become believer requires someone willing listen , body soul know n't know everything frankly speaking n't care , life fun anyway recognize i'm perfect , hinder healthy inspiring life several years knew really liked dropping \( lsd \) frankly speaking , n't really care fun anyway n't matter every child wife want tremendously greater risk serious birth defects several years knew really liked sex many women could convice frankly speaking , n't care n't care putting one risk \( well future partners \) n't matter first decade marriage , wife worry possibly last sneeze meant something much worse cold humans subscribe notion nice thing finally shake huge burden , shoulders feel far relaxed ! nice thing pain killers , take enough , wo n't care fever , breath pain jason smith jasons atlastele com i'm young enough know everything 1x1
erik cheshire oxy edu \( erik adams \) subject lciii used iici get \? organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa lines 22 , long last , going replace beloved 512ke looking new lc iii used iici prices yet worked , i'm thinking right merits drawbacks 's 've thought iici much greater potential expansion , la nubus greater memory capacity lc iii would new , warranty , newer roms \( iici 32 bit clean \? \) , would sound input also like pizza box case performance wise , read almost identical , lc iii little slower , get \? erik erik cheshire oxy edu 1
goldsman cc gatech edu \( michael g goldsman \) subject 3 high end car amplifiers sale reply goldsman cc gatech edu \( michael g goldsman \) organization college computing , georgia institute technology lines 45 posted friend please reply car amplifiers sale 3 high end car amplifiers sale \( 2 \) old style 150 's great amps , 've never minute 's trouble either 've running high end quite time \( front rear \) pleased setup , 've also run low end , perform quite well situation well i'm trying sell i'm considering upgrading 650 already power 300 , 've always liked way 650 300 combo worked cars i'm asking 200 00 piece , list bought 375 00 're interested , 'd willing come price little bit \( 1 \) precision power 2150 great utility amplifier rated , looks brand new shroud , works great great low end amp 's high power rating 2 channels , however , 've also running front back high end well i'm asking 425 00 amp , feel free make offer please direct questions replies hacker krusty gtri gatech edu chase hacker fortune presents gifts chase cc gatech edu according book dcd prism gatech edu hacker krusty gtri gatech edu mike goldsman ga tech station , atlanta , georgia 30332 \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) pgp key available upon request say brainwashing
willamette edu \( lisp \) subject hacker ethic go \? article du organization willamette university , salem lines 21 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu aurora alaska edu writes put thus hacker ethic gone \? still exists , \? , exist , call hackers allowing perpetuate \? creating new , innovative , interesting ideas stop sos maintaining choke hold computer industry \? gnu people , handing good , free software \? 've also distributed two decent sized programs , go player \( ftp u washington edu \) genetic neural network programmer \( somewhere \) 've time write programs grants intended benefit society , loophole system \? ! peter , 11 , lisp , order golden finger ! ! reformed church james eric half bee , curry ! ! shadowy flight dangerous world man exist ! ! please mail plastic 900 state st c 210 , salem , !
amir matis ingr com \( amir j katz \) subject xv 3 0 author vacation till may 10 organization see technologies ltd lines 9 reply amir matis ingr com nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu \( xpert list \) people flaming john bradley , author xv 's vacation till may 10 \( 15 , n't remember \) maybe slow wait hear side wrt copyrights , fees , etc amir j katz amir matis ingr com \( ingr ! matis ! amir \) system specialist voice 972 52 see technologies ltd fax 972 52 boldly go one hacked
msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) subject radar detector detectors \? article ms reply msunde01 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 27 nntp posting host mik uky edu article athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun1 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes microwave tower next florida 's turnpike , could watch cars hit breaks came sight every morning funny detector owning friends , generally able remember things nearby microwave towers radar detectors going exactly every day know 64 grayson , ky exit , 's store side road \( think 's liquor store \) must security system would make federal prisons proud 's thing 've ever driven \( besides cop \) puts oh god 's right behind ! ! ! ! mode simply ignore detector use eyes drive store 40 seconds later , 's quiet front problem \) \) mark underwood ee student , university kentucky lab assistant , boyd hall microlab \( tiny little division uk library microlabs \) e mail msunde01 mik uky edu
sburton dres dnd ca \( stan burton \) subject long distance ir detection distribution na organization defence research establishment suffield lines 48 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 nntp posting host stan content transfer encoding 8bit x newssoftware grn beta 1 16g \( 04 01 93 \) michael b smith mike schwartz mime version 1 0 article wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) writes duane , nailing irleds may suggest getting siemens 2 irled \? unit designed take big current pulses get duty cycle bit output nearly watt \( 975 mw \) real short duty cycle times \( nice thing 2 cheap got mine 50 cents piece , even though buy 100 \) saying extras would like cost recovery \? may interested think practical cost reasons limited envelope detection leaves increasing output power increasing optical gain receiver methods extend range btw , seen irleds outputs 6 watts honest , 6 watts n't book work ca n't recall company name 6 ai n't cheap , around 108 want power , , 's pretty hot also 4 watt , 2 watt 1 watt device line , sell small quan individuals interested , find book home get pertinent info yes i'm interested company name access extensive data book collection kind power , getting area eye safety getting problem , position detector , might try florida phone number listed 92 93 904 253 seem like nice people specialty passive infrared detection devices , might able help long way might better source find around i'm curious applications n't mind saying device sounds like could useful game , although 'd need carrier signal concept 58 8 khz i'm keeping application confidential raising frequency problem , fact one respondent question said may mimic 50 duty cycle normally used ir detector chips stan burton \( dnd crad dres dtd mss agcg \) sburton dres dnd ca \( 403 \) 544 4737 dre suffield , box 4000 , medicine hat , ab , canada , t1a 8k6
informatik tu muenchen de \( stefan weiss \) subject x11r5 \( pl 23 \) sun386i \( works screen \) keywords sun x11 sun386i sunos device organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 21 hello , problem x11r5 sun386i hope someone help 've built x mit sources applying patches got \( think 23 \) building easy installing everything started x nothing happened screen keyboard , machine seemed hang another machine found sun386i running well told 's x server xterm running experimenting mouse repeatedly pressing blindly hit xterm , session got prompt back guess 's device problem find correct device yet 've got sun386i b w framebuffer \( ace 6 0688 0 , rev 53 \) sunos 4 0 2 rom 4 4 please help i'm able run clients sun send output machines 's thanks advance , stefan
chpc utexas edu \( albert wu \) subject c service rip organization university texas system chpc lines 8 went place called american car care centers check car c leak checking , told leak compressor seal end , addition labor check , charged 12 dollars pound freon , although evacuated c afterwards leak first , fair charge pound freon \( 12 plus tax \) \? second , unfair \? albert wu
csuohio edu \( carl j \) subject bmw 2 frame set sale organization cleveland state university x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 26 sale trade ! ! ! bmw frame misc , converted fork package includes frame , swingarm fork final drive \( 27 8 \) rear fender , front fender , large tank steel wheels laced w ss spokes , one new rim , one ec used rim brackets , brake , etc colour scheme used original bmw optional bristol grey items painted rigid section \( needs , rigid section bent received , mounted frame \) , swingarm headlight shell used finish non painted items desired done holt design included engine , gearbox , , seat clean project project terminated due lack time \( \) engine used transferred another project would prefer sell package whole negotiable included package , separate painted items willing take 2 spares trade e mail inquiries thanx carl
prism gatech edu \( greg bishop \) subject need esdi hdd \( system \) distribution usa organization national association free exchange information lines 24 ! ! ! ! ! spinrite says 80 sectors marked bad fat initially , 79 returned active use , 80 new sectors marked bad , following successive runs spinrite think need new esdi hdd controller know two work dtc adaptec others might work dtc ultra store 12 wd one sell cheaply 'll buy thanks , greg bishop hydra gatech edu gt designing night yesterday 's technology
glen tegra com \( glen \) subject monitors nanao \? organization tegra , inc billerica , lines 14 article news iastate edu schauf iastate edu \( brian j schaufenbuel \) writes tube viewsonic 17 use \? support 1600x1280 \? 've looking philips 1762dt uses sony trinitron tube , digital controls , supports , 25mm dot pitch found 1000 mean viewsonic 7 \? uses tube computer shopper review faults average lacking controls \( , degaussing , convergence color \) lowest priced monitor test , good center edge focus
stafford lobby ti com \( ron stafford \) subject changing oil self lines 30 nntp posting host 192 153 237 26 organization article 93111 cmuvm csv cmich edu john foster cmuvm csv cmich edu writes date wednesday , 21 apr 1993 12 47 50 edt john foster cmuvm csv cmich edu subject changing oil self drew kinglear cs colorado edu \( drew eckhardt \) article pod sour sw oz au pod sour sw oz au \( paul o'donnell \) wri 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca \( yik chong lam \) writes hello , find method much better , , although really hate bolt finally comes loose wrench hand come crashing face coming , 15 minutes later , change clothes \( time oil drained \) , ice entire face suck 20 tylenol ease pain later day proceed engine oil 's crazy try change oil cars one weekend go 3 bottles tylenol 2 bags ice john everyone trusted tools \) ron stafford texas instruments incorporated \( 214 \) 917 2050 p box , ms stafford lobby ti com dallas , texas
archer esd sgi com \( archer \( bad cop \) surly \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization silicon graphics , inc mountain view , ca lines 20 1993apr22 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) writes article 1993apr21 2880 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes mcgill hammond johan garpenlov would really rather two instead johan \? logic enjoy falloon ozolinsh injured reserve \? falloon hurt clean check fell poorly wilson n't know ozolinsh coach would sharks injury situation bob probert actually , ju coach could help add really interesting anyone 's game archer
mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman com \( mel beckman \) subject wiretapping reality today organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman mbeckman com distribution world x mailer uaccess lite macintosh release 1 5v5 lines 18 article netcom com \( sci crypt \) , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes read history hoover stopped nixon 's cointelpro dead tracks said unconstitutional tried get around every way could unfortunately , hoover thought constitution , whatever considered limits others obey ruthlessly invaded privacy many private public citizens mel mel beckman internet mbeckman mbeckman com beckman software engineering compuserve 75226 , 2257 ventura , ca 93003 voice fax 805 647 1641 805 647 3125 observe lot watching yogi bera
davem ee ubc ca \( dave michelson \) subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization university bc , electrical engineering lines 36 article cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu \( michael f santangelo \) writes dbm0000 tm0006 lerc nasa gov \( david b mckissock \) writes text options b deleted option c single core launch station jsc lead option basically , take 23 ft diameter cylinder 's 92 ft long , slap 3 space shuttle main engines backside , put nose cone top , attached regular shuttle external tank regular set solid rocket motors , launch key features complete end end ground integration checkout 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels body mounted radiators \( adds protection orbital debris \) 2 centerline docking ports \( one end \) 7 berthing ports single pressurized volume , approximately 26 , 000 cubic feet \( twice volume skylab \) 7 floors , center passageway floors 10 kw housekeeping power somehow strange attraction idea \( living modular home maybe altered mind \) thing scares part simply strapping 3 ssme 's launching vision something going terribly wrong launch resulting complete loss new modular space station \( peice would case staged orbit construction \) certainly like option c 's much like original phase b studies early 1970 's good stuff ! dave michelson davem ee ubc ca university british columbia
phage cshl org \( cshl \) subject disks copy protected organization cold spring harbor lab lines 24 nntp posting host phage cshl org think things missed overall first , anyone dos manual copy disk , copy anything \( hidden files dont go far dealing anyone dos ignorant \) hard disk crackers interested copying disks programmers get thrill going listings programs disable copy protection serial number dialog boxes , volume label checks , knows comes computer games people minority , however experience world people software , seems good majority people \( say 80 \) point copy friend 's program \( gee , really oughta try \) accept copy people normally would buy software package without , decided would n't matter last thing people responsible one computer people n't going spend 150 x computers software package install x times , especially things like dos upgrades fun yet \?
jim rand org \( jim gillogly \) subject clipper considered harmful organization banzai institute lines 49 nntp posting host mycroft rand org steve bellovin writes well thought nearly persuasive article clipper \( still calling clipper today , figured non infringing word yet \? \) protocol almost good one given marching article 1993apr24 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes issue invitation assume charged implementing system , complete regard civil rights due process would differently \? answering question , please accept nsa 's fundamental assumptions strong cryptography outsiders , ability wiretap domestic users , necessary 'll accept second assumption sake argument view primary remaining flaw encryption algorithm secret , leading suspicion back door without complete disclosure suspicion cannot , matter many trusted experts allowed look isolation possible whole thing public algorithm \? concern 've seen making skipjack public someone could build without registering keys assume f really kept secret government assumes part initial connection , executes protocol demonstrate know f example , initiating phone picks number q sends e q f receiver sends back e q 1 f , sends back e q 2 f demonstrate first packet n't random 64 bit block repeat opposite direction another q ca n't defeated somebody building library sequential numbers remembering responses using responses initial numbers subsequent challenges way talk course pseudo company build proprietary skipjack phone , presidential fact sheet implies wo n't get approval without equivalent key escrow 's wrong picture \? depends f staying secret skipjack resistant cryptanalysis , government appears believe even particular q suggest flaw , imagine 's zero knowledge proof protocol n't smb says third , serious issue , whether clipper good idea even carried strictly according letter law agreed view , quote 's worth , 's worth well jim gillogly , 3 r 1993 , 20 48
lepard mayo edu \( kevin lepard \) subject monitor pinouts needed reply lepard mayo edu organization mayo foundation lines 16 wondering someone could send pinouts apple 13 14 rgb monitors parts docs seem misplaced around thanks lot help kevin kevin lepard internet lepard mayo edu disclaimer opinions mine alone necessarily represent mayo foundation , mayo clinic , person institution
mail sas upenn edu \( judith \) subject questions organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 7 arthur clarke may quoted comment knowing 're hanged morning concentrating man 's mind wonderfully , source comment samuel johnson \( pardon already knew \) je
meiko com \( robert \) subject hp deskjet 500c work \? organization meiko scientific inc , waltham , lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host barney meiko com boring sister hp deskjet 500c weekend wondering drivers available would allow use mac se 30 copy think driver 500c would happy get working black white , away get color working would better ideas someone \? regards , robert r meiko com customer support engineer tele \( 617 \) 890 meiko scientific corporation fax \( 617 \) 890 rd waltham , 02154
sinclair dcs glasgow ac uk \( duncan sinclair \) subject glasgow rx remote execution x programs , 01 summary nice program remote xterms keywords perl x remote execution organization glasgow university computing science dept lines 976 posted weeks back , got back error message dev null permission denied yep , dev null mode 600 \( ! ! \) renewed interest setting display variable , etc thought would post contribution perl script solution trys intelligent 's able type rx host domain etc , get xterm running host domain etc , difficult stuff taken care theory , program everything ever wanted wanted run remote command background n't even need x program try rx big machine make instance , make remote big machine details full list features read readme file , 20 lines comments welcome duncan ! bin sh shell archive remove anything line , unpack saving file typing sh file overwrite existing files , type sh file c also feed standard input via , typing sh file , e g archive complete , see following message end end archive 1 \( 1 \) contents readme imakefile manifest makefile rx man rx pl wrapped sinclair dcs gla ac uk thu apr 8 18 47 48 1993 path bin usr bin usr ucb export path test f 'readme' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'readme' else echo shar extracting 'readme' \( characters \) sed x 'readme' 'end file' x x glasgow rx remote execution x programs version 3 1 7 x xcopyright 1992 duncan sinclair sinclair dcs gla ac uk x install , 's imakefile make even trivial x xthe perl script needs installed , xedit rx pl file , read comments 've done xmkmf , make install install man x x x \) right thing site remote execution including x setting display include domain names , passing x magic cookies , xhost stuff x x \) allow different remote user name \( rx l user host \) x x \) smart quoting arguments makes passing wild cards easy x x \) custom command execution link get remote x emacs command x x \) automatic xterm options names xterm according hostname , x turns login shell x x \) default command xterm x x \) x ish env variables remote session user may x extend list variables pass x x \) special handling bourne shell users x x \) tries remote execution directory local x , pwd , intelligent manner x x \) logs errors file x x \) overall intelligence \( tm \) makes reasoned decisions x trying , tries right thing x x \) written perl , portability x xfor info , read man page source x end file test ne `wc c echo shar 'readme' unpacked wrong size ! fi end 'readme' fi test f 'imakefile' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'imakefile' else echo shar extracting 'imakefile' \( 370 characters \) sed x 'imakefile' 'end file' x glasgow rx imakefile x x programs rx x xall \( programs \) x xinstall safe x \( rx pl , rx , \( bindir \) \) \( rx , \( mandir \) \) x xinstall x \( rm \) \( bindir \) rxterm x \( ln \) \( bindir \) rx \( bindir \) rxterm x x grep 0' rx pl false x safe x p x perl pi e sinclair dcs gla ac uk sinclair dcs gla ac uk part x end file test 370 ne `wc c echo shar 'imakefile' unpacked wrong size ! fi end 'imakefile' fi test f 'manifest' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'manifest' else echo shar extracting 'manifest' \( 313 characters \) sed x 'manifest' 'end file' x file name archive description x x readme 1 read first x imakefile 1 x manifest 1 shipping list x makefile 1 x rx man 1 x rx pl 1 end file test 313 ne `wc c echo shar 'manifest' unpacked wrong size ! fi end 'manifest' fi test f 'makefile' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'makefile' else echo shar extracting 'makefile' \( characters \) sed x 'makefile' 'end file' x makefile generated imake edit ! x xconsortium imake c , v 1 65 91 07 25 17 50 17 rws exp x x cpp used machine replaces multiple tabs x spaces macro expansion single space imake tries compensate x , always successful x x x x makefile generated imake tmpl tmp iif x xconsortium imake tmpl , v 1 139 91 09 16 08 52 48 rws exp x x platform specific parameters may set appropriate vendor cf x configuration files site specific parameters set file x site def full rebuilds recommended parameters changed x x c preprocessor define unique symbols , need x set rebuilding imake \( usually x make world first time \) x x x x site specific configuration parameters need come x platform specific parameters edit site def change x x site xconsortium site def , v 1 2 91 07 30 20 26 44 rws exp x x x platform specific configuration parameters edit sun cf change x x platform xconsortium sun cf , v 1 72 1 1 92 03 18 13 13 37 rws exp x x operating system sunos 4 1 3 x x xconsortium rules , v 1 7 91 12 20 11 19 47 rws exp x x x site specific configuration parameters go x platform specific parameters edit site def change x x site xconsortium site def , v 1 2 91 07 30 20 26 44 rws exp x x shell bin sh x x top x current dir x x ar ar cq x x cc gcc fpcc struct return x x x compress compress x cpp lib cpp \( std cpp defines \) x gcc fpcc struct return e \( std cpp defines \) x install install x ld ld x lint lint x c x x ln ln x make make x mv mv x cp cp x x ranlib ranlib x x x rm rm f x troff psroff x ms x tbl tbl x eqn eqn x std includes x std cpp defines x std defines x extra load flags x extra libraries x tags x x x x x proto defines x x x x x 4755 x x 0444 x 0444 x 0444 x g x x projectroot usr x11 x x top includes \( \) x x o2 x ccoptions x x \( includes \) \( extra includes \) \( top includes \) \( std includes \) x alldefines \( \) \( std defines \) \( extra defines \) \( proto defines \) \( defines \) x cflags \( \) \( ccoptions \) \( alldefines \) x \( \) \( alldefines \) x x \( sys libraries \) \( extra libraries \) x x \( \) \( ccoptions \) \( local \) l \( usrlibdir \) x x x r x x x sun cf x rm cmd \( rm \) ln core , emacs tags tags make log x x imake defines x x irulesrc \( \) x imake cmd \( imake \) \( irulesrc \) \( imake defines \) x x \( irulesrc \) imake tmpl \( irulesrc \) imake rules x \( irulesrc \) project tmpl \( irulesrc \) site def x \( irulesrc \) \( \) \( extra \) x x x x window system build parameters x xconsortium project tmpl , v 1 138 1 1 92 11 11 09 49 19 rws exp x x x x window system make variables need coordinated rules x x x usrlibdir usr x11 lib x bindir usr x11 local bin x usr x11 include x \( top \) x \( \) x11 x x \( \) x11 x usr adm x libdir \( usrlibdir \) x11 x \( libdir \) config x lintlibdir \( usrlibdir \) lint x x \( libdir \) fonts x \( libdir \) xinit x \( libdir \) xdm x \( libdir \) twm x manpath usr x11 man x \( manpath \) man x n x 3 x mandir \( \) \( \) x \( \) \( \) x \( libdir \) nls x \( libdir \) pex x \( libdir \) app defaults x x x \( \) x x imake imake x depend makedepend x rgb rgb x x bdftopcf x x mkfontdir mkfontdir x mkdirhier bin sh \( bindir \) mkdirhier x x \( top \) config x \( top \) doc util x \( top \) clients x \( top \) demos x libsrc \( top \) lib x fontsrc \( top \) fonts x \( top \) x11 x \( top \) server x \( top \) util x \( \) scripts x \( top \) examples x \( top \) contrib x \( top \) doc x \( top \) rgb x \( \) makedepend x \( \) x \( libsrc \) x \( libsrc \) x x xmusrc \( libsrc \) xmu x \( libsrc \) xt x \( libsrc \) xaw x \( libsrc \) x \( libsrc \) xdmcp x \( fontsrc \) x \( fontsrc \) clients x \( fontsrc \) clients bdftopcf x \( fontsrc \) clients mkfontdir x \( fontsrc \) lib fs x \( fontsrc \) server x \( top \) extensions x \( \) lib x \( \) lib pexlib x \( \) lib pex x x xconsortium tmpl , v 1 14 1 2 92 11 11 09 55 02 rws exp x assert pure text x x x lxext x x \( \) x xlib \( \) lx11 x x \( usrlibdir \) libxmu sa \( \) x lxmu x xmulib lxmu x x x x x \( usrlibdir \) libxt sa \( \) x lxt x x \( usrlibdir \) libxaw sa \( \) x lxaw x x x x x x pexlib x x 4 10 x 4 10 x 5 0 x 4 10 x 4 10 x 4 10 x 4 10 x 1 0 x x \( usrlibdir \) x x \( usrlibdir \) x x x \( usrlibdir \) x x x \( usrlibdir \) libxbsd x x x \( lintlibdir \) llib lxext ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib lx11 ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib lxmu ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib lxt ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib lxaw ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib ln x \( lintlibdir \) llib ln x x deplibs \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) x x \( deplibs \) x \( deplibs \) x \( deplibs \) x x x imake rules building libraries , programs , scripts , data files x rules xconsortium imake rules , v 1 123 91 09 16 20 12 16 rws exp x x x start imakefile x x glasgow rx imakefile x x programs rx x xall \( programs \) x xinstall safe x xinstall rx pl x \( destdir \) \( bindir \) set x x else \( set x \( mkdirhier \) \( destdir \) \( bindir \) \) fi x \( install \) c \( \) rx pl \( destdir \) \( bindir \) rx x xinstall man rx man x \( destdir \) \( mandir \) set x x else \( set x \( mkdirhier \) \( destdir \) \( mandir \) \) fi x \( install \) c \( \) rx man \( destdir \) \( mandir \) rx \( \) x xinstall x \( rm \) \( bindir \) rxterm x \( ln \) \( bindir \) rx \( bindir \) rxterm x x grep 0' rx pl false x safe x p x perl pi e sinclair dcs gla ac uk sinclair dcs gla ac uk part x x x common rules makefiles edit x x x \( rm cmd \) x x f makefile set x x \( rm \) makefile \( mv \) makefile makefile x else exit 0 fi x \( imake cmd \) \( top \) \( current dir \) x x \( tags \) w ch x \( tags \) xw ch tags x x load \( alldefines \) \( srcs \) x x load \( alldefines \) \( \) x x x empty rules directories subdirs edit x xinstall x echo install \( current dir \) done x xinstall man x echo install man \( current dir \) done x x x x x generated makedepend x end file test ne `wc c echo shar 'makefile' unpacked wrong size ! fi end 'makefile' fi test f 'rx man' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'rx man' else echo shar extracting 'rx man' \( 3551 characters \) sed x 'rx man' 'end file' x th rx 1 4 march 1993 x version 11 x sh name , rxterm , r remote command , xterm , anything execution x sh synopsis x b rx x x b l x username x x host x x command x x br x b rxterm x x b l x username x x host x x ir args x x sh description xthe x b rx connect specified x host xand executes specified x command xin background , returning immediately allow execution x programs , copies number environmental variables xthe remote session omit x ir command , rx start xterm remote host x b rxterm starts remote xterm host , also passes x args xto remote xterm arguments x pp quoted interpreted local , quoted interpreted remote x pp xif name file x b rx executed anything , '' x b rx name , stripped leading command xto run remote host , using x command arguments remote command x pp xif x b rx using x b xauth x authorisation , calling site host , xto different username , attempt copy authorization remote account otherwise try use x b xhost \( 1 \) xto grant access remote host x sh options x tp x bi l username x username xas remote username instead local username absence option , remote username local username x x sh environment xif set , values path , display , , xapplresdir , , xuserfilesearchpath , openwinhome , ld library path , xand xauthority exported remote program , unless xremote username different , remote host site , display exported , cases variables named x pp xthe display variable appropriate , contain qualified xa hostname needed x sh diagnostics x tp x ib command n't recognise name x b rx decode name called case xit prints warning message , continues , normal x tp x b rx usage rx l username hostname args means could decode arguments given x sh author sinclair sinclair dcs glasgow ac uk , july 1992 x br based program name x b gwm distinguish rx programs similar names , refer program x b glasgow x br rx x sh see also xx \( 1 \) , rsh \( 1 \) , xterm \( 1 \) , xauth \( 1 \) , xhost \( 1 \) , gwm \( 1 \) x sh bugs x b rx number assumptions relationship user , remote one , depending whether remote xhost , whether alternative username used xor x pp xin particular , either locally used shell , remotely shell standard bourne shell , x b sh \( 1 \) strange things likely happen especially xit 's one x pp quoting get messed x pp xit 's easy fool x b rx xto make believe something true , fail x pp x b rx x b xhost xto grant access , x b xhost may fail silently x pp xif x b rx send large command remote machine , fail parse error csh happens , probably reduce size exported environment end file test 3551 ne `wc c 'rx echo shar 'rx man' unpacked wrong size ! fi end 'rx man' fi test f 'rx pl' 1 ! c echo shar clobber existing file 'rx pl' else echo shar extracting 'rx pl' \( characters \) sed x 'rx pl' 'end file' x ! usr local bin perl x config change line point copy perl x x glasgow rx version 3 1 7 x x copyright 1992 duncan sinclair sinclair dcs gla ac uk x x last modified early april 1993 x x distribution limited , per usual mit copyright x x remote execution x programs based script old version gwm x x install , put rx bin make rxterm link x configuration necessary , see config comments x x less less like original x x major hacked work \( \) set , also partly x written work sh , rather ksh x x maybe 'll turn first script ! x x looks like turned perl script point big improvement x x code tries intelligent way works means x tons implicit assumptions environment run x assumptions valid machines use , x environment time , try make assumptions possible x remote machine 's list tricky ones x \) remote machine csh \( linux \? \) x \) bin \( k \) \? sh remote shell bin \( k \) \? sh \( make \) x \) remote shell sh , path compatible \( use csh , etc \) x \) pass cookie remote machine need , x know cookie \( eat \? \) x \) must others x x using csh run remote commands \? simply n't x interact badly rsh , hang waiting file descriptor x closed 'd rather use , bash , even perl , x universal csh x x stat pl x x called \? x x argv0 0 x argv0 x x config x change variables domain name , pattern x match variations domain name must include x leading dots ! ! ! hostname includes domain , see x code , marked xxx x x dom dcs gla ac uk x dcs \( gla \( \) \? \( ac uk \) \? \) \? x x config x change value bindir , set variable x think users smarter x x usr x11 bin x x config x make name remote shell command x x rsh rsh x x end config x x variables 'll doubt use sometime x x usage argv0 usage argv0 l username hostname args n x \( \( \) \) 8 bin sh x home env home \( \( \) \) 7 x xauth env xauthority home xauthority x rx log x stuff \( \) x debug 0 x x anything else , close stdin might stop rx hanging x due rsh weirdness x \( stdin \) x x l flag x xif \( argv 0 eq l \) x shift x user argv 0 die usage x luser \( l , user \) x shift x x x pick host , host x x mach argv 0 die usage x x things think remote machine x x mach x offsite mach x x \? seems ca n't trust dumb user set hostname right ! x x hostname env hostname `hostname` current host x hostname `hostname` current host x hostname n x x include domain , comment next line x xif \( offsite \) hostname hostname dom xxx x x know , , different \? x x diff hostname ne mach x x display going \? x ! ! danger ! ! heavy regular expressions follow x needs written modular extended x support host unix , required x x display env display 0 0 x display x display \( unix \) \? \( \( \) \? \) hostname 2 \( diff \) x display \( \) \( \( \) \? \) 1 dom 2 \( offsite \) x env display display x x comes hard bit sh quote args x also quote quotes cope csh , x quotes quoted thus ' ' '' x arg , get x \( argv \) x ' ' ' ' g x \( \) ' 1 ' x x x \? x x \( argv0 eq rx \) last prog x \( argv0 eq rxterm \) x unshift \( argv , ls \) \( diff \) x unshift \( argv , xterm , ls , n , mach \) x last prog x x \( argv0 r \( \) \) unshift \( argv , 1 \) last prog x warn argv0 n't recognise name x x x nothing else , become rxterm x xif \( argv 0 \) x unshift \( argv , ls \) \( diff \) x unshift \( argv , xterm , ls , n , mach \) x x x special considerations side x xif \( offsite user \) x x want pass cookie x x \( e xauth \) x x going unsecure , cookie appear number x command line args least 'll work x need enhanced ever fix code x set display 0 0 , return server x x cookie path xauth list x chop \( cookie \) x cooks split \( ' ' , cookie \) x shift \( cooks \) x unshift \( stuff , xauth , add , display , cooks , \) \( cooks 2 \) x else x x yuk crock hate x x system \( xhost mach dev null 2 dev null \) \( diff \) x x x really want pass value display x x vars \( display , split \( ' ' , env \) \) x else x x variables wish export x x vars \( x display , x , x xfilesearchpath , x xuserfilesearchpath , x xapplresdir , x openwinhome , x ld library path , x manpath , , bourne shell users x xauthority , x split \( ' ' , env \) , x \) x x braindead bourne shell , needs given path x would rather pass current path , might work x destination machine 'd rather set user 's x remote shell rsh x fortunately , x programs arch independant place , x n't cos problem , locally x check , might running another shell , x login shell know , sounds weird , 's x common round x 've also included ksh brain damage , cos ca n't see easy way x pass throught env env without late \( x one person ksh login shell anyway \) x oh , yeah assuming 's bourne shell , 's x bourne shell much important isnt x bourne shell , better bourne shell x x \( \( k \) \? sh \) push \( vars , path \) x x x validate pwd routine x validate pwd x local \( , \) x local \( pwd \) 0 x x unless \( defined \( pwd \) \) return undef x unless \( stat \( \) \) return undef x unless \( stat \( pwd \) \) return undef x \( \( st dev ! st dev \) x \( st ! st \) \) return undef x pwd x x x try find nice , valid , pwd x x \( pwd env pwd \) x foopwd pwd x foopwd \( tmp export \) \? \( \) 2 x pwd validate pwd \( foopwd \) validate pwd \( pwd \) x x unless \( pwd \) x chop \( pwd \) x foopwd pwd x foopwd \( tmp export \) \? \( \) 2 x pwd validate pwd \( foopwd \) validate pwd \( pwd \) home x x x pwd \( \) ' 1 ' x x try find somewhere nice live side x \( offsite \) x unshift \( stuff , test , , pwd , , cd , pwd , \) x x x start building full command x var \( vars \) x \( val env var \) x unshift \( stuff , setenv , var , ' val ' , \) x x x commands side x \( stuff , set , , \) using csh x x build remote command x x remote \( \( 077 \( \( join \( , stuff , argv \) \) dev null \) \) \) x remote g x remote remote x x build arg list exec x x comm \( rsh , luser , mach , csh , fc , remote \) x x ! x xif \( debug \) x print comm n x else x exec comm x x x rsh n't return indication went x side , 's ok , cos aint going x wait around see happened x 0 x x end end file test ne `wc c 'rx echo shar 'rx pl' unpacked wrong size ! fi chmod x 'rx pl' end 'rx pl' fi echo shar end archive 1 \( 1 \) cp dev null missing 1 test ! f ark missing missing fi done test missing echo archive rm f ark 1 9 else echo still need unpack following archives echo missing fi end shell archive exit 0 duncan sinclair sinclair dcs gla ac uk sinclair uk ac gla dcs would real unix operating system please stand
kmitchel netcom com \( kenneth c mitchell \) subject drugs legalized , \? \( good neighbor \) organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 37 dave \( dos major panix com \) wrote wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) writes however , legalizing sticking drugs gas stations bought like cigarettes plain silly plus , never heard recommended dosage drugs like crack , ecstasy , meth lsd 60 minute report said worked cocaine cigarettes , pot heroin , government could adopt radical probably unamerican idea citizens free live lives wish , simply cocaine , marijuana , heroin , lsd , etc please explain idea allowing recreational drugs bought like cigarettes plain silly , works fine nicotine i'm favor drug legalization , see problems hope people disposed would simply overdose quickly , done , making mess 's actually quite simple sell drug use licenses anybody age 18 wants one costs 100 're required attend week night classes effects drugs human body end class , sign informed consent waiver acknowledging 've told drugs bad , want anyway , right state paid medical care whatever might happen result drugs , right collect welfare unemployment lose job result using drugs 'd also give right drive car anybody caught using drugs without license choice pay 1000 fine accept drug user 's license , go prison ken mitchell powers delegated united states kmitchel netcom com constitution , prohibited states , citrus heights , ca reserved states respectively , people
agate ! iat holonet net ! psinntp ! psinntp ! megatest ! ! alung subject \( geico annoyance \) alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) distribution rec autos organization megatest corporation lines 21 article noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) writes want annoy geico , call give fake name real car specs get quote tell expensive current state farm allstate insurance still send quote etc tear quote stuff prepaid return envelope mail back actually 12 current state farm rates actually , 've bad habit stuffing whole bunch garbage junk mail along whatever else anybody 's prepaid envelopes almost burst believe pay postage weight heh , heh , heh anyways , n't tear quotes yet sometimes use quotes insurance quotations leverage haggle lower rate elsewhere usually works advantage lower aaron
oracle com \( robert \) subject resolution , bitmapped fonts , device independence nntp posting host us oracle com organization oracle corporation , belmont , ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 60 recently corrected resolution sparcstation changing usr lib x11 xdm xservers 0 local usr bin x11 x 0 500 dpi 100 0 local usr bin x11 x 0 500 dpi 85 determined 19 1152x900 monitor 85 dpi measuring active screen area dividing resolution however , caused application fonts behave strangely research , believe caused applications requesting fonts family , weight , slant , believe x grabbing first font path characteristics displaying since 75dpi 100dpi fonts path , results inaccurate speedo fonts , family using \( \) think incorrect fonts always provided resolution display never seems happen unless explicitly request fonts ! true scaleable bitmapped fonts ! instance , command fn ' bitstream charter 240 ' invoke 75dpi font \( despite fact speedo font \) command fn ' adobe courier 240 ' invoke 75dpi font 100dpi font \( depending font path \) despite fact x knows display 85 dpi , generate font ! unless applications specifies resolution , x appears pick stupid default bug \? feature \? , \? anything get around problem \? people suggested lie resolution , specify single font path \( 75 100 , \) would least make app consistent , like able look rulers appear paint application say yup , thats inch anyone set bitmapped fonts use \? system info sun sparc 10 41 w 32 mb , sunos 4 1 3 xdpyinfo version number 11 0 vendor string mit x consortium vendor release number 5000 screen 0 dimensions 1152x900 pixels \( millimeters \) resolution dots per inch xset q font path usr lib x11 fonts misc , usr lib x11 fonts speedo , usr lib x11 fonts 100dpi , usr lib x11 fonts 75dpi thanks oracle com bob \( 415 \) 506 applications architect , applications technology group , applications division oracle corporation , redwood shores , ca 94065
doc magna com \( matthew j \) subject looking text search engine \( \) organization magna software corporation lines 11 i'm looking information regarding text search engines specifically , 'd prefer source binaries run ms windows unix environment scanning either flat files common db structures references pd , shareware , commercial implementations welcome please reply via email 'll summarize desired thanx ! doc
marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) subject 66dx2 isa , vlb xor 50dx eisa \? \? advice wanted organization harris lines 16 nntp posting host hcx1 ssd csd harris com article 1993apr22 julian uwo ca rmitch irus rri uwo ca \( ross mitchell \) writes choice basically system 486dx2 66 isa vlb , , 486dx 50 eisa vlb \( thus non local bus version ati card \) better , keeping mind i'm primarily interested last two tasks \? micronics ami came eisa vlb motherboards byte mag tests indicate vlb faster video eisa faster disk ops 'll wait hopefully start using micronics board mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris' marka gcx1 ssd csd harris com lost los angelino
bcash crchh410 nosubdomain nodomain \( brian cash \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host crchh410 organization bnr , inc lines 17 article minster york ac uk , cjhs minster york ac uk writes saying physical adam eve , humans direct two human beings \? cain able 's wives \? could n't sisters , e n't daughters non humans \? genesis 5 4 days adam begat seth eight hundred years , begat sons daughters chris ho stuart yeah , wives wives came nod , apparently land developed another set gods brian
danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) subject faith dogma nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 47 article aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes todd kelley \( tgk cs toronto edu \) wrote faith dogma dangerous faith dogma inevitable christians merely understand admit fact give proof god exists , whichever position take , forced faith good say take position , show interest existence god assume exist absolutely true without religion either established one one invent theist atheist equally \( \) interested god , without religious revelation information god available strip away dogma theists atheists different , simply holding different opinion matter little practical importance contend proper implementation christian faith requires reasoning , reasoning cannot used throw things n't like , find uncomfortable sexual behavior condemned bible act true reason make less condemned hatred , murder , condemned god ordained murder bible \? bet , god ever orders kill , first use gideon like behavior verifying god actually ordered hit , probably discuss like fashion sorry , n't help test apply decide whether god satan speaking \? know simply gone insane , delusions \? like loaded gun hear , jim jones david koresh justify behavior delusional religious cults bear relationship ah , stupid assumed \) southern baptist church methodist church begin reason blame mainstream religion behaviors people associate every negative behavior witness non christian \? yes 're together human making small part definition humanity dan
cwis unomaha edu \( bae \) subject using mouse dos window organization university nebraska omaha lines 8 way use mouse running dos app \( windowed \) win 3 1 \? window dos apps \( enhanced mode \) , see mouse cursor , n't work ! help would greatly appreciated thank bae cwis unomaha edu
hans meyer hmmeyer silver ucs indiana edu subject pioneer double cassette deck organization indiana university lines 10 pioneer ct double cassette deck auto ble tuning cd deck recording music search , high speed , standard features less one year old excellent condition 200 firm hans meyer
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject mail order response time disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host relva rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 18 article oasys dt navy mil , sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) writes ordered many times competition get 2 3 day delivery backorder something , sent card say would two weeks came 10 days ordered 2 fork seals 2 guide bushings ca fzr two weeks later get 2 fork seals 1 guide bushing call ca ask remaining guide bushing order 2 slide bushings \( explain phone bushings guy seemed understand \) two weeks later get 2 guide bushings sigh much wanna bet get parts take fork apart parts wo n't fit \? axel
uxa ecn bgu edu \( richard \) subject ascii ansi pics organization educational computing network lines 10 nntp posting host uxa ecn bgu edu someone tell could find ansi ascii pics \? already found gopher ascii pics thanks richard uxa ecn bgu edu
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject exhaust coating disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host relva rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 29 since least one person interested fzr 's black exhaust pipes rusty researched getting repaired yesterday bought 1500 degree black header paint spent hour sanding two header pipes hand sprayed paint thought clean able get metal sanding determined would n't suprised paint wore chipped month soooo call couple places minneapolis discover powder coating , extremely durable , handle 600 degree temperatures place talked said experimenting new powder supposed handle 1100 degrees would n't available months least directed another shop specializes header coating shop said 2 available one 1200 degrees comparable powder coating durability silicon \( think \) based 1800 degrees \( ! \) thinner durable finish \( super smooth \) cleaned hot water brush price 4 1 foot header pipes 2 foot 4 2 1 collector 100 i'm planning take parts friday get back \( ups \) next week maybe wednesday sounds like kind coating stuff way better paint considering much abuse pipes get road crap rocks axel
danj welchgate welch jhu edu \( dan jacobson \) subject ftp achive usgs terrain data organization johns hopkins univ welch medical library lines 370 article cs columbia edu olasov cs columbia edu \( benjamin olasov \) writes article 1993apr24 welchgate welch jhu edu danj welchgate welch jhu edu \( dan jacobson \) writes lot interesting stuff gopher deleted 've never heard gopher n't worry 's free net , write note 'd like information get started best luck , dan jacobson danj welchgate welch jhu edu 've heard lost intro posting came back could post \? think 's general interest ben ben olasov olasov cs columbia edu heavily edited modified version gopher faq intended give people starting gopher enough information get client jump gopher space complete version obtained described gopher client point welch jhu edu welcome gopher space ! dan jacobson danj welchgate welch jhu edu common questions answers internet gopher , client server protocol making world wide information service , many implementations posted comp gopher , comp answers , news answers every two weeks recent version faq gotten gopher , via anonymous ftp rtfm mit edu pub usenet news answers gopher faq without ftp access send e mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers finding sources body find ftp e mail list questions gopher faq q0 gopher \? q1 get gopher software \? q2 need access gopher \? q3 publicly available logins gopher \? q4 develops gopher software \? q5 relationship gopher \( wais , www , ftp \) \? q6 papers articles describing gopher available \? q7 veronica \? q8 available biology \? q0 gopher \? a0 internet gopher client server provides distributed information delivery system around world campus wide information system \( cwis \) readily constructed providing delivery vehicle local information , gopher facilitates access gopher information servers throughout world q1 get gopher software \? a1 via anonymous ftp boombox micro umn edu look directory pub gopher q2 need access gopher \? a2 need gopher client program runs local pc workstation clients following systems directory following name location client anonymous ftp site boombox micro umn edu \( 134 84 132 2 \) directory pub gopher unix curses emacs pub gopher unix 12 tar z xwindows \( athena \) pub gopher unix 2 tar z xwindows \( motif \) pub gopher unix moog xwindows \( xview \) pub gopher unix macintosh hypercard pub gopher macintosh old versions macintosh application pub gopher macintosh dos w clarkson driver pub gopher pc client nextstep pub gopher next vm cms pub gopher rice cms pub gopher vms pub gopher vms os 2 2 0 pub gopher os2 mvs xa pub gopher mvs many clients servers developed others , following attempt comprehensive list microsoft windows winsock client gopher book sunsite unc edu pub micro pc stuff ms windows winsock zip macintosh application , ftp cc utah edu pub gopher macintosh another macintosh application , ftp bio indiana edu util gopher port unix curses client dos pc tcp oac hsc uth tmc edu public dos misc exe port unix curses client pc nfs bcm tmc edu nfs gopher exe beta version pc gopher client novell 's lan workplace dos lennon med umich edu dos gopher vms decwindows client use wollongong ucx job acs ohio state edu client share note macintosh clients require mactcp clients also fetched via gopher client put following gopher server type 1 host boombox micro umn edu port 70 path name gopher software distribution point gopher client boombox micro umn edu , port 70 look gopher directory also number public telnet login sites available university minnesota operates one machine consultant micro umn edu \( 134 84 132 4 \) see q3 information recommended run client software instead logging public telnet login sites client uses custom features local machine \( mouse , scroll bars , etc \) local client also faster q3 publicly available logins \( ie places telnet order get taste gopher \) gopher \? a3 short list , use site closest minimize network lag telnet public logins hostname ip login area consultant micro umn edu 134 84 132 4 gopher north america gopher uiuc edu 128 174 33 160 gopher north america panda uiowa edu 128 255 40 201 panda north america gopher se 192 36 125 2 gopher europe info anu edu au 150 203 84 20 info australia gopher chalmers se 129 16 221 40 gopher sweden puc cl 146 155 1 16 gopher south america ec 157 100 45 2 gopher ncc go jp 160 190 10 1 gopher japan recommended run client software instead logging public login sites client uses custom features local machine \( mouse , scroll bars , etc \) gives faster response furthermore many basic features clients saving file hard drive , printing file local printer , viewing images , retrieving files ftp sites etc available telnet logins q4 develops gopher software \? a4 gopher originally developed april 1991 university minnesota microcomputer , workstation , networks center help campus find answers computer questions since grown full fledged world wide information system used large number sites world many people contributed project , numerous count people behind much gopher software reached via e mail gopher boombox micro umn edu , via paper mail internet gopher developers 100 union st se 190 minneapolis , mn usa via fax 1 \( 612 \) 625 q5 relationship gopher \( wais , www , ftp \) \? a5 gopher intimately two systems shipped unix gopher server capability search local wais indices query remote wais servers funnel results gopher clients query remote ftp sites funnel results gopher clients www \( world wide web \) clients \( either using built gopher using native q6 papers articles describing gopher available \? a6 gopher whole chapter devoted whole internet , ed , o'reilly , 1992 \( editors note great book , go buy bunch ! \) internet passport 's guide world online jonathan published , bellevue , wa 1993 516 pp isbn 0 0 6 contact info passport net , \( 206 \) 562 3000 students guide unix harley hahn \( publisher mcgraw hill , inc 1993 isbn 0 07 3 \) references include internet gopher , , july 1992 , exploring internet internet society news , 1992 , \( subscribe internet society news sending e mail reston va us \) internet gopher protocol , proceedings twenty third , , section 5 3 internet gopher , proceedings canadian networking '92 internet gopher , internet getting started , sri international , section 10 5 5 tools help internet users discover line , , july 20 , 1992 tcp ip network administration , o'reilly , b \( oct 1992 \) making databases accessible gopher protocol fall '92 workshop , chapel hill , north carolina , c information technology standards libraries , journal american society information science , 43 \( 8 \) 566 570 , sept 1992 q7 veronica \? a7 veronica easy oriented net wide index computerized archives veronica offers keyword search gopher server menu titles entire gopher web archie ftp archives , veronica veronica search produces menu gopher items , direct pointer gopher data source veronica accessed gopher client , easy use , gives access types data supported gopher protocol try veronica , select gophers menu minnesota 's gopher server , point gopher name veronica \( search menu items \) type 1 port 70 path 1 veronica host scs unr edu q8 available biology \? a8 incredible amount software , data information biologists gopher brief list biological databases search via gopher 2 data base searches 3 buyers guide online catalogues biology tel 4 search protein data bank headers \? 5 genetics center 6 database 7 databases probes primers 8 museum type index \? 9 database \? 10 search \( \) \( indiana \) 11 search \( genbank swiss prot pdb \) \? 12 search database \? 13 search database \? 14 search metabolic compound database \? 15 search databases \( vectors , , nrl 3d , est , 16 search embl \? 17 search genbank \? 18 search genbank 2 \? 19 search genbank updates \? 20 search limb \? 21 search \? 22 search \( keyword , species \) \? 23 search \? 24 search restriction enzyme database \? 25 search swiss prot \? 26 search tfd \? 27 search c strain list \? 28 search dna database japan \? 29 search ec enzyme database \? 30 search database \? 31 search database 32 vectors , phage , etc \? 33 eukaryotic database \? 34 est expressed sequence tag database human \? 35 west expressed sequence tag database c \? 36 database proteins interest \? 37 nrl 3d protein sequence structure database \? 38 online inheritance man \? 39 sequence analysis bibliographic reference data ban \? 40 search restriction enzyme database \? 41 search ec enzyme database \? 42 search section genbank \? 43 database \( genbank , swiss prot \) 44 retrieve full pdb entries number \? 45 search researchers funded nih \? 46 search genome researchers funded doe \? 47 search researchers funded nsf \? 48 search researchers funded usda \? 49 e mail addresses 50 e mail addresses yeast 51 around world 52 search retrieve software computers 53 search retrieve macintosh software 54 search retrieve dos software 55 search retrieve gnu software 56 search retrieve software biology 57 search agricultural software 58 search retrieve graphics software data 59 search retrieve online perl scripts 60 ftp sites biology \( 56 archives software data \) list goes beginning
pchang ic sunysb edu \( pong chang \) subject ad lib wav driver \? \? organization state university new york stony brook lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host ic sunysb edu currently ad lib card , play mid files windows cannot play startup wav files called microsoft help cannot call ad lib since went belly anyone know special drivers need \? , \? thanx ad ! ! \) c ommon pchang ic sunysb edu ense state university new york stony brook e ngineer
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject sad mac code 0f0064 \? \? \? organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 15 nntp posting host tea eng umd edu article 1993apr21 desire wright edu desire wright edu writes hello proud new owner mac 512k upon power insertion sytem disk , get sad mac code 0f0064 anyone give clue means \? bad system disk \( possibly new version historical curiosity h h h h h h h h mac \) matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
mach1 wlu ca \( david brown \) subject ii driver x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 organization wilfrid laurier university lines 8 i'm trying get hold ibm ii printer driver windows 3 1 beast exists , someone suggest get \? please mail reply directly n't normally read group many thanks david brown mach1 wlu ca
dude pcs com \( michael elbel \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization pcs computer systeme gmbh lines 28 1993may16 wariat org allbery wariat org \( allbery \) writes quoted 1993may13 moepi open de bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) back days x11 1 analyse xterm code cursor implemented drawing rectangle around character n't seem changed 'til sources could add blinking cursor via xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead mildly ridiculous , though \( see also desqview x , dos windows \) really want xterm wake every half second whack server bitblt \? \? i'm running emu 25 mhz 68020 box cannot make difference performance whether cursor set blinking \( think bit , cycle 400 ms hell lot time even slowest pc \) since would course enable blinking text cursor xterm input focus , application active anyway repeat , blinking text cursor costs almost nothing performance , needs thought designing xterm software michael michael elbel , digital pcs gmbh , muenchen , germany dude pcs com nur fuer mia fermentation fault \( dumped \)
sharon world std com \( sharon \) subject srebrenica hell summary 's like without modern medicine war organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 84 doctor living hell laura pitter tuzla , bosnia , reuter mujanovic pathologist mountains besieged muslim town srebrenica last august treating 4 , 000 mangled victims bosnia 's bloody war , considers surgeon i'm surgeon great experience although license practice operate person lives normally 's greatest license surgeon could '' evacuated u n week home town tuzla , muslim physician gave eyewitness medical assessment horrors year long serb siege srebrenica suffering thousands trapped ``i lived hell together people srebrenica lived greatest heroes humanity produce , '' told reporters mujanovic , 31 , practiced two months assistant local hospital tuzla , going srebrenica never performed surgical operation says performed major surgery 1 , 396 times , relying books guidance , arms legs 150 times , usually without anesthetic , delivering 350 babies performing four cesarean sections worked 18 19 hour days , slept hospital first 10 weeks arrival last aug 5 treated 4 , 000 patients arrived making trek mountains foot tuzla , 60 miles northwest srebrenica 50 people carried supplies 350 soldiers guided protected guerrilla terrain , said worst memory 10 days ago seven serb shells landed within one minute area half size football field , killing 36 people immediately wounding 102 half dead women children people come rare day sunshine children playing soccer ``there warning blood flowed like river street , '' said ``there pieces women around could piece together one woman holding two children hands lying ground dead heads '' mujanovic arrived supplies conditions deplorable , said many deaths could prevented hospital surgical tools , facilities medicine six general practitioners operating arrived even less surgical experience n't know basic principles limbs '' arrived situation improved , said , mid september run supplies washed five times sometimes falling apart hands , '' said doctors anesthetic could give patients alcohol numb pain increased bleeding completely conscious stomach operations , '' said blood transfusions impossible facilities test blood types ``i felt destroyed psychologically , '' mujanovic said situation improved dec 4 , convoy arrived medical group sans mujanovic said military mid december bosnian serbs began major offensive region day air strikes '' hunger set mid december mid march , u planes began air dropping food , 20 30 people dying every day complications associated malnutrition , said ``i know sure air drop operation saved people massive death hunger starvation , '' said according mujanovic , around 5 , 000 people died srebrenica , 1 , 000 children , year siege mujanovic plans return srebrenica three weeks visiting wife , ill tuzla say i'm hero , '' said ``there thousands people standing sides road , crying waving left cried '' sharon framingham , usa e mail sharon world std com
ucsu colorado edu \( \) subject scsi vs ide nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 17 article iisakkil beta hut fi iisakkil beta hut fi \( mika iisakkila \) writes randy msc cornell edu writes scsi cards dos systems require separate device driver loaded memory scsi device hooked \? 've seen also board bios enables use 2 hard drives directly dos \( 2 drives dos limitation problem ide standards matter \) software drivers often allow better performance , though use want use devices besides hard disks 2 disks always 2000 , among others requires drivers 7 scsi hard drives dos 2 drive maximum , already 3 done hardware , 's software drivers
jafoust cco caltech edu \( jeff foust \) subject mothership flybys cutting costs organization caltech pasadena , california , usa lines 32 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu recent article nsmca aurora alaska edu writes okay figure mission specifically pluto large expensive 'd hardly call current pluto fast flyby proposal large \( new technology insertion currently taking place succeeds , c mass drop 110 120 kg \) expensive \( 400 million two c \) , especially compared nasa planetary missions basically mean design mother ship piggy backed probes different missions , namely different planets probe would tied mother ship \( earth case may \) good go mars \( mars mission act either mother ship relay point probes proposal would work various targets nearby require minimal delta v mother ship mission main belt might one possibility mission recall paper presented aiaa conference irvine february proposed spacecraft designed grad students ut austin \( think \) four mini spacecraft would main c , visiting seperate asteroid returning main c analysis , main c would targeted interesting object study , could find paper \) jeff foust 40 days ! historical analogy last refuge senior , planetary science , caltech people ca n't grasp current jafoust cco caltech edu situation red mars jeff jpl nasa gov kim stanley robinson
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject bible immaculate conception organization none lines 18 article may 12 04 29 48 1993 athos rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes put enmity serpent woman , seed seed , also read shall crush head shall bruise heel genesis 3 15 hebrew genesis 3 15 , gender clearly masculine shall crush head , shall bruise heel latin feminine forms , accident grammar yet see adequate explanation st jerome 's translation genesis 3 15 latin clearly uses feminine , n't know , since hebrew clearly masculine anyone knows scholarly treatment puzzle , would appreciate hearing
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject genocide 204 , 000 azeris armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 118 article psuvm psu edu boris psuvm psu edu writes maybe following example helps understandable views gic alone nevertheless independent \? sorry , following western scholars forced disagree first world war ensuing years 1914 1920 , armenians premeditated systematic genocide , tried complete centuries old policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering 2 5 million muslims deporting rest 1 , 000 year homeland attempt genocide justly regarded first instance genocide 20th century acted upon entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians , government international political leaders , u ambassador mark bristol , william langer , ambassador layard , james barton , stanford shaw , arthur chester , john dewey , robert dunn , papazian , nalbandian , ohanus appressian , jorge blanco villalta , general nikolayef , general bolkovitinof , general prjevalski , general odiselidze , meguerditche , kazimir , motayef , twerdokhlebof , general hamelin , rawlinson , avetis aharonian , dr stephan eshnanie , varandian , general bronsart , arfa , dr hamlin , boghos nubar , sarkis atamian , katchaznouni , rachel bortnick , halide edip , mccarthy , w b allen , paul muratoff many others j c hurewitz , professor government emeritus , former director middle east institute \( 1971 1984 \) , columbia university bernard lewis , cleveland e dodge professor near eastern history , princeton university halil inalcik , university professor ottoman history member american academy arts sciences , university chicago peter golden , professor history , rutgers university , newark stanford shaw , professor history , university california los angeles thomas naff , professor history director , middle east research institute , university pennsylvania ronald jennings , associate professor history asian studies , university illinois howard reed , professor history , university connecticut dankwart rustow , distinguished university professor political science , city university graduate school , new york john woods , associate professor middle eastern history , university chicago john masson smith , jr , professor history , university california berkeley alan fisher , professor history , michigan state university avigdor levy , professor history , brandeis university andreas g e bodrogligetti , professor history , university california los angeles kathleen burrill , associate professor turkish studies , columbia university roderic davison , professor history , george washington university walter denny , professor history , university massachusetts caesar farah , professor history , university minnesota tom goodrich , professor history , indiana university pennsylvania tibor halasi kun , professor emeritus turkish studies , columbia university justin mccarthy , professor history , university louisville jon mandaville , professor history , portland state university \( oregon \) robert olson , professor history , university kentucky madeline zilfi , professor history , university maryland james stewart robinson , professor turkish studies , university michigan list goes genocide azeri people armenians source channel 4 news 19 00 , monday 2 march 1992 2 french journalists seen 32 corpses men , women children civilian clothes many shot dead heads close less 1 meter source morning news 07 37 , tuesday 3 march 1992 bbc reporter live line claimed saw 100 bodies azeri men , women children well baby shot dead heads short distance source morning news 08 12 , tuesday 3 march 1992 disturbing picture shown many civilian corpses picked mountain reporter said , cameraman western journalists seen 100 corpses , men , women , children , massacred armenians shot dead heads close 1 meter picture also shown nearly ten bodies \( mainly women children \) shot dead heads azerbaijan claimed 1000 civilians massacred armenian forces serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
autry magellan stlouis sgi com \( larry autry \) subject definition christianity \? organization silicon graphics , st louis , mo lines 84 enrolled history christianity college st louis teacher class consider closed minded subject definition christianity definition tied directly trinity catholic church 's definition belief jesus christ sufficient call one 's self christian saying n't make , nevertheless feel insulted \( \? \) \) would like able respond sense literacy maintaining student teacher relationship , common definition christianity \? previous discussion trinity lend exchange flames , hopeful also produce major flames regards , larry autry silicon graphics , st louis autry sgi com often get discussions christian unfortunately number possible definitions starting broadest , commonly used definitions historical definition people accept christ lord savior broad doctrinal definition narrow doctrinal definitions 1 \) historical definition mean sort definition secular historian would likely use would include group developed christian church , continues within broad culture e g would fail doctrinal test could come yet 's clear group developed christianity , people different backgrounds \( e g hindus \) would likely see part christianity definition christians like , 's relevant political ethnic contexts 2 \) accepting christ lord savior test used many christian groups membership , e g southern baptists presbyterian church \( usa \) would qualify saying people mind exclusive commitment christ , someone accepted christ one many gods would fit 's attempt formulate criterion religious based technical doctrine definition , groups would viewed heretical christians , still christians modern context would include mormons , jw 's , oneness pentecostals would viewed heretical christians , still christian practice believe everyone falls category would accept apostle 's creed 3 \) next level attempt give broad doctrinal definition , includes major strands christianity , excludes groups felt outside historic christianity course slippery enterprise , since catholics could argue protestants outside historic christianity , etc think commonly accepted definition would based something like nicene creed formula chalcedon attempt characterize doctrines major strands christianity agree key obviously extent matter judgement mormon regard lds church major , thus want include anything contradicts beliefs think definition would fairly broad acceptance 4 \) finally , people use definitions would say limited specific christian tradition e g evangelicals consider someone christian evangelical style conversion experience , 've even heard groups limit specific church think find contexts definitions used lot going depend upon purpose 're using 're using , e g history anthropology , 'll probably use definition 1 2 're using , e say believe christian message , 'll probably use definition like 3 even 4 clh
jcs sage cc purdue edu \( stalnaker \) subject mac os organization purdue university computing center lines 7 anybody know get copy system 6 0 8l modified version system 6 work newer mac models , ernest stalnaker jcs sage cc purdue edu oo oo ! pur ee ! sage cc ! jcs
ocean fsu edu \( char \) subject lciii used iici get \? organization florida state university acns distribution na lines 38 article 1993apr24 cheshire oxy edu erik cheshire oxy edu \( erik adams \) writes looking new lc iii used iici prices iici much greater potential expansion , la nubus greater memory capacity important \? many nubus cards plan acquire \? much memory really need \? 've got ci , 20mb ram 's plenty also 24bit graphics card nubus i'm sucker pretty pictures think lciii bootable ramdisk memory , ci least , box lc iii would new , warranty , newer roms \( iici 32 bit clean \? \) , would sound input also like pizza box case ci 32 bit clean solved sound input problem macrecorder 's gotten fairly expensive solution macromind owns macrecorder performance wise , read almost identical , lc iii little slower actual difference probably worth worrying , get \? depends price get ci speaking , 4 80 \? lciii fsu 1300 add roughly 500 monitor last 'd heard , 8mb lciii simm went 250 think 're win win situation matter decide , 'll likely happy james
longs lance colostate edu \( blake \) subject dell \? ariel design \? austin \? insight \? royal \? hd computers \? distribution usa reply longs lance colostate edu \( blake \) nntp posting host blanca lance colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 13 ok , 've heard comtrade , gateway , tc , various others impressions dealings dell , ariel design , austin , insight , royal , hd computers \? responses e mail preferred reduce usenet bandwidth summarize responses another posting week blake colorado state university longs lance colostate edu electrical computer engineering
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 21 article 1993apr19 hemlock cray com , rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes article 1993apr17 news cs brandeis edu , st923336 pip cc brandeis edu \( blort ! eeeep ! hwaaah \) writes actually , rather surprised see article subject \( e new , survey saying roughly 1 men gay \) front page new york times recently \( think thurs , 15 april \) headline something effect new survey finds 1 men gay anyone else see difference 1 men gay 1 men surveyed say gay \? ny times think one closet \? see survey survey show 1 4 , supposed believe one survey , done poor assumptions , population , 40 years ago society far repressed homosexuality yeah , right russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) subject power , signal surges home article ms reply msunde01 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 27 nntp posting host mik uky edu article 1993apr21 porthos cc bellcore com patter dasher cc bellcore com \( patterson , george r \) writes article 1993apr20 24632 mprgate mpr ca vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) writes kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) writes car , unfortunately , much computer junk hood 's astonishingly sensitive rfi hmmmmm possibilities police pursuit vehicle , maybe bombard high energy rfi \) right cops buying antique muscle cars chase cars otherwise police cars die ! wonder could focus rfi gun cops would n't problem \? \? \? mark underwood ee student , university kentucky lab assistant , boyd hall microlab \( tiny little division uk library microlabs \) e mail msunde01 mik uky edu
pitt edu \( richard thorne \) subject e peace talks organization university pittsburgh lines 24 organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 13 nntp posting host yfn ysu edu dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) writes little goebbels , forgot , talking alleged infection fine egyptian men , mossad agent caught spying father egypt noted , women muslim israeli , spy , n't infect anybody jewish version story ! ! muslim israeli thought jewish state n't yet defined point \? post hospital \? inmates foam cushion ward net access ! take pill pal , richard thorne rdt med pitt edu
pose rh ee ac za \( r h w poser \) subject make illuminating thing \? distribution usa organization electrical computer engineering , university pretoria lines 30 nntp posting host 137 215 124 105 article dns1 nmsu edu dante nmsu edu \( cho \) writes father worked american cyanamid sometime mention recipe secret neither us know toxic stuff synthesize substance available organic lab called usually find organic lab book something similiar substances normally secret , get method normally patented , means one else make chemical way , without undergoing agreement american cyanamid \( guess knew patent \) \) know substance used , 'll also know toxicity rumor base form stuff used light sticks reaction disadvantage lasting long commercial version remember compounds found nature , poisonous regards , \( \) \( r h w poser chem eng iii university pretoria \) \( fidonet 5 7101 22 23 rolf poser p23 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org \) \( fastest pose rh babel ee ac za tel 27 12 \) \( \)
ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) subject gamma ray bursters article ptolemy ethanb 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu steinly topaz ucsc edu organization u washington lines 46 nntp posting host ptolemy astro washington edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) reply steinly topaz ucsc edu 's message 28 apr 93 15 07 43 article steinly topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes propose mechanism grbs oort \( , , anti matter annihilation fit spectra least far understand annihilation spectra \) big difference 's ignoring question fit distribution oort distribution oort distribution well known particular comet \( well known \) good measure oort cloud distribution merging neutron stars least mechanism right energy , except n't explain apparent correlation galaxies galaxy structure , mechanism getting energy gamma rays \( significant amount around lot pair production , makes plasma , energy \) , trouble generating enough energy explain powerful bursts \( 10 52 53 ergs \) , happens fast compared burst duration , hard make tight binaries neutron stars another cosmological catalytic conversion neutron star strange star merger two strange stars , uses pretty far physics point n't good mechanism distance , grb 's likely happening unknown mechanism , ca n't rule oort cloud would spectrum event converts comet strange matter \? spectra black holes eating comets antimatter comets colliding matter comets n't quite right , perhaps unusual mechanism modifies spectrum energy matches well mechanisms according trevor weeks , meteorite mini black hole collision earth , likely enough mini black holes around rate bh comet collisions matches grb rate well fact n't know distribution comets oort cloud n't reason rule makes harder rule point cited paper assume got right distribution oort cloud , hard impossible match distribution grb 's got wrong distribution oort cloud , ca n't constrain oort cloud grb 's executive summary n't know enough rule oort cloud
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject free moral agency distribution world organization macalester college lines 19 article minster york ac uk , cjhs minster york ac uk writes saying physical adam eve , humans direct two human beings \? cain able 's wives \? could n't sisters , e n't daughters non humans \? genesis 5 4 days adam begat seth eight hundred years , begat sons daughters chris ho stuart still incestuous \) adam happened sig \? cooper
shaig think com \( shai guday \) subject israel apartheid state \? quite organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 107 distribution world nntp posting host composer think com article spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes article early bird think com shaig think com \( shai guday \) writes article 2703 spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes examine sure discover arab party member power base jewish counterpart right , arabs voting israel long \? time one arab ever gained enough personal following get fellow party members put ministry \? likely wings flying rio basis explaining odd failure \? seem confident right , exactly know , sure \? nothing long voting , much voting pick list labor parties proposals mk prior election pay attention order correlate number arab party members eligible vote party elections correlate voting results arab areas lo behold , discover israeli arab labor party members band together unanimously en large select group arab candidates problem exacerbated israeli arabs claim membership right wing parties others vote parties pass minimum cutoff worked within labor party late 70 's elections \( last one \) volunteer voting results returned local delegates elected time , system structured differently cease amaze massive effort lobby arab reps delegates exactly basis saying labour party never put arab cabinet post insists coalition members \? basis reassuring face 50 years discriminatory practise \? quite simply , eligible arab voters became members labor party voted , would able command 15 delegates power base ignored ! especially ranked high party \( due lack political power \) seen labor party works inside experience , political situations , mks act self interest answer question , broke labor felt much right wing ultra orthodox coalition members front , july 29 , 1992 translation ha'aretz article racism knesset attitude recently even criticism , natural deeply upon people 's hearts holds knesset members , despite elected tens thousands votes , entitled full partners body represents people israel speaking political discrimination would bad enough racial discrimination proof one compromises proposed mk mahamid arab yigal replaced jew yigal party member 's party considered unfit , race fair enough take matter , admit possibility might seen differently dummy argument sitting committee , someone else obviously would support seat , mk \? would using argument , could used behalf proof presented article , would find interesting know proposed compromise along followup describing matter stands resolved let take opportunity say deplore actions groundless justifications test self confidence levi , ha'aretz , july 26 , 1992 worry even jewish mind devices new committee chair , milo , already announced set aplenty committee thus decide permissible mahamid participate solution could , way , also adopted rest committees , thereby completely eliminating fear state secrets leaked enemy removing stain discrimination knesset record , milo , mk \( self described \) likud \( note labor \) quite frankly , n't think anything would say could surprise annoy aggravate , yes , surprise accept documentation \? yes thank providing would interested knowing things turned anyone \? shai guday stealth bombers , os software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninja skies cambridge ,
palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 17 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu prb access digex com \( pat \) writes article 1993apr26 200406 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy big capacitor \) real big capacitor 's suggested \( specifically , lightning strikes clouds interstellar medium \) david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject time peak players organization allegheny college lines 53 article 1993apr22 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes article 1993apr21 alleg edu luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes article transfer stratus com jmann vineland pubs stratus com \( jim mann \) writes article 1993apr20 alleg edu luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes interesting , gehrig bonds schmidt ricky henderson \? could steal bases , hitting stats even close 's uhhhh winfield \? henderson 's stat 's probably closer dimaggio 's think give numbers man ! ! ! ! ! winfield could whip henderson 's butt \? basestealing \? henderson 's time leader , good 170 runs worth sb lifetime winfield 800 sb behind , net 10 runs base average \? winfield 's best year \( 1984 \) 397 , nine points henderson 's lifetime oba lifetime , diff 47 points slugging \? winfield 40 points 're good , though winfield looks better huge winfield 's best year 1979 308 396 558 henderson 1990 325 441 577 tb iii gives henderson total player rating 67 , winfield 40 rickey much better fielder , n't buy henderson simply best leadoff hitter time , winfield n't best anything time henderson best leadoff hitter time , arguably winfield meant team henderson unlike , henderson tries hard amazing centerfielder rickey good , maybe better winfield , angry winfield though winfield better henderson lately check numbers , winfield may surprise 3000 , 500 homeruns \( wishful plays 45 \)
spang nbivax nbi dk \( karsten spang \) subject cannot create 24 plane window \( summary \) organization niels bohr institute , copenhagen lines 51 article 1993apr28 nbivax nbi dk , spang nbivax nbi dk \( karsten spang \) writes problem able create window 24 bit planes gave badmatch error request far tell manual , attribute may give badmatch , colormap , belongs wrong visual visual correctly matched got several answers , complete crary \( tv tv tek com \) looked r4 server listings \( mit server window c \) several ways get badmatch error , even though o'reilly book says inputonly 1 \( \( class inputonly \) \( \( bw ! 0 \) \( depth ! 0 \) \) \) 2 find depth visual acceptable screen 3 \( \( \( \( \) \) 0 \) \( class ! inputonly \) \( depth ! drawable depth \) \) 4 \( \( \( cwcolormap \) 0 \) \( class ! inputonly \) \( \( visual ! visual \) \( colormap none \) \) \) , case 1 inputonly case seems o'reilly case case 2 case since got visual screen case 3 looks suspicious giving attribute mask , since visual parent depth , would suspect need supply border pixel new colormap going use window case 4 seem problem since supply cwcolormap attributes thanks help karsten internet krs dk karsten spang phone 45 36 77 22 23 data fax 45 36 77 03 01 p box 1142 dk denmark
kayman xenon stanford edu \( robert kayman \) subject summary canon bj200 vs hp deskjet 500 organization computer science department , stanford university lines 401 hello , week one half ago posted query looking people feelings inkjet family printers specifically , comparison canon bj200 \( bubblejet \) hewlett packard deskjet 500 many people asked post summary account postings e mail received original query responses received deleted part responses , headers signatures , extract find necessary people asked unbiased account however , nature question suggests biased comments , must extract information believe unbiased fair representation printer wide range comments , value clear winner , like bj200 \( especially price performance ratio \) , others preferred durability reliability deskjet \( original inkjet proven drivers solid background \) two new inkjet printers drawn attention , new printer introduced hewlett packard later year \( around summertime \) , addition epson product line \( first inkjet \) find initial purchase , costs filling replacing ink cartridges \( largely depends purchase fills replacements shop around first since aspect likely dominate cost printer \) one mentioned approx many sheets ink cartridge print , suspect roughly equal 1000 1500 sheets \( laser printers 4000 5000 sheets per toner cartridge \) well , 's brief research summary personal research enjoy ! hello fellow 'netters asking collected wisdom help decide printer purchase , canon bj200 \( bubblejet \) vs hp deskjet 500 thought , rather trust salesperson , would benefit relying use printers daily use fullest potential , figure know benefits pitfalls better salesperson , would greatly appreciate information could render 360 dpi canon bubblejet vs hewlett packard deskjet 500 \( 300 dpi \) faster \? noticeable print quality difference , particularly graphics \? handle large documents better \( 75 pages \) personal experience either appreciated \? works better windows 3 1 \( driver problems , etc \) \? cost memory , font packages , toner cartridges , etc \? basically , personal experiences either machines highly desirable , good bad well bought bj 200 month ago start 50 rebate program printer \( ends 5 31 \) , bought computer discount warehouse price 325 could n't beat anywhere looked , think 's hot printer using regular copier paper produced fantastic results high quality mode compared output micrografx designer legal size drawing type done bj 200 drawing printed hp laserjet iid amazed well could read small print bj 200 printing speed several seconds faster bj 200 amazing considering hp 2 5m ram installed measured time printer first indicated receiving data \( used print manager windows \) showed output several people work one manager bought one immediately office , two engineers placed orders need cdw 's phone number , 's 800 598 delivery ny two days good luck ! craig , corp mot com motorola communications electronics inc glen rock , nj deskjet 500 performance n't spectacular windows using truetype fonts neither canon seen quality hp much dependent paper quality photo copy paper characters slightly edges better quality type paper things look better applications find copy paper fine still better dot matrix comes windows driver , seems pass print manager , hp scaleable fonts probably faster truetype n't really tried get ram font cartridges unless speed truetype problem would n't bother ram cartridges ca n't used buffer soft fonts graphics , e bmp images etc hp put dither mode via hp supplied win driver number dither options , etc manual gives recommendations depending type image printed text good mode problem arises document contains graphic text range tones graphic images n't brilliant think limitation inkjet printers general seen canon similar respects however , printer definitely worth looking new inkjet epson printer faster , cheaper , capable producing laser like quality normal copier paper ca n't remember model , lx something think \? purchased hp days epson released introductory price epson hp new zealand month ago , got canon bj200 absolutely love incredibly fast , except printing pspice \( n't know ever stuff \) stuff print either microsoft word windows plain text problems 've printing headers \( printer \) , printing cheap paper \( lots streaks \) normal copy paper works great , tell 's laser printed holding , oh , less twelve inches face \( , 're , like ! \) \) printer comes driver windows 3 1 ! ! complaints printer also act like epson another archaic software packages n't written driver yet teeny footprint real plus , , purchase may 31 , get 50 rebate canon ! ! bought mine store called compusa , price 340 friend hp looking also prints well , everyone drivers , slow ! hope helped ! \( sure looks great ! \) heather article 1993apr19 mot com , corp mot com \( craig \) writes message 1993apr18 csd newshost stanford edu kayman csd 3 stanford edu \( robert kayman \) writes hello fellow 'netters asking collected wisdom help decide printer purchase , canon bj200 \( bubblejet \) vs hp deskjet 500 thought , rather trust salesperson , would benefit relying use printers daily use fullest potential , figure know benefits pitfalls better salesperson \( various questions deleted \) well bought bj 200 month ago start 50 rebate program printer \( ends 5 31 \) , bought computer discount warehouse price 325 could n't beat anywhere looked , think 's hot printer using regular copier paper produced fantastic results high quality mode compared output micrografx designer legal size drawing type done bj 200 drawing printed hp laserjet iid amazed well could read small print bj 200 printing speed several seconds faster bj 200 amazing considering hp 2 5m ram installed measured time printer first indicated receiving data \( used print manager windows \) guess experience bj 300 work deskjet 500 home prefer deskjet printing speed quality similar \( tested text graphics buying deskjet home \) feature sets deskjet apart driver support many applications bj ends epson lq ibm proprinter get work many non windows apps case long time design superior want use cut paper , deskjet quieter , ink cartridges quite bit cheaper due number deskjets comparision 0 02 worth mike agricultural group monsanto p box 174 , la internet address monsanto com yes , landscape mode printing problem , present problem windows windows printer driver handles translation actually thought points posted note deskjet area approximately around paper bubblejet right graphics resolutions , tested printers applications access wordperfect , harvard graphics , wingif , paintshop pro , paintbrush could tell difference fact one hp deskjet windows drivers gives significant control contrast density printer hence controlling amount ink put bubblejet imaging software test printers comparision finally , wanted sheet feeding configuration bubblejet cost approximately 100 deskjet went pretty thorough evaluation chose deskjet spent money btw , replacing bj 300 deskjet 500 work month anyway regards mike ag group monsanto , la spent time comparing two ended getting bubblejet bj 200 versus hp reasons 1 \) hp seemed worse banding canon 2 \) versus 300 felt could see difference 3 \) price canon 50 rebate program going moment bj 200 choice bj could 100 pages bj 200 feeder bj holds 30 pages , think see , 100 pages bj 200 n't done anything big bj , performance seems reasonable windows know microsoft bbs newer windows driver comes printer , n't know compares \( also driver included printer canon 's whereas n't know microsoft bbs one comes microsoft \? \) hope helps thomas v , cci com , ! uunet ! uupsi ! cci632 ! , cs rit edu meal eats ! i'm sometimes also salesperson \( i'm study \) \) would recommend buy bj200 printing quality bit better , 've got much n't forget hp engine least 2 years marked , canon engine \( witch also used new bubblejet printers like e g epson ones \) quite recently available , would greatly appreciate information could render 360 dpi canon bubblejet vs hewlett packard deskjet 500 \( 300 dpi \) faster \? noticeable print quality difference , particularly graphics \? handle large documents better \( 75 've seen short demonstration \( someone sell canon printers \) 2 times picture , one printed bj200 , one canon , hp , difference printing quality , canon bit better , kris decided needed quiet printers hospital looked inkjet printers near laser quality , speed , quiet use hp deskjets canon bj prefer paper handling qualities deskjets feel canons superior print quality ideal would canon sheet feeder , however end buying deskjet home use \( got good deal \) anyway , using canons high volume areas holding well 15 deskjets 4 bj one problem deskjet taken care quickly hp nate whenever buy anything look experts say , pick top buy whatever criteria apt 've unusually flush lately \( begging letter please \) 've done times including four months ago inkjet printers ca n't remember much process except read three reviews 500 always near top bought 500c added dimension colour \( intend build multi media machine stage bought colour scanner towards \) although 's used colour thing earnest yet tried couple windows bitmaps pleased result note even though get \( one colour mono need change cartridge \) , 500c 500 still readily available \( least uk \) following views experience 1 n't know anything canon except came away reviews \( replies posting similar \) idea hp offered best performance price ratio 2 believe hp originals field always ideal place market 's still young one assumes expertise 3 500c worth extra operation mono perfectly acceptable get good crisp reproduction fonts windows 4 used work still manufactured \( american owners closed ! \) tell terms definition 300 dpi pretty poor anyway 360 dpi bit less poor 5 hp comes reasonable set drivers 6 buy invest additional ram pack 's pretty slow , god knows 's like without ! actually work germany pc home uk 's daily use would say apart reading manual properly really dumb problem start 's easy operate hope use regards david bought bj 200 thought price could n't beat \( 329 , 50 rebate thru 5 31 \) far comparable , even superior , deskjet print quality speed per page rate seems faster \( n't figures \) n't print long docs , though quality think graphics quality excellent print quality excellent well , unless use small fonts hold close see lot laserjet 360 dpi offset little less accuracy holding page print head place , would imagine large docs room standard model whole pages manual says 100 , though n't tried drivers problems win3 1 yet winword n't want print envelopes way canon , though know nothing add costs daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract deskjet slow comparison printers mentioned idea bubblejet compares interface win3 1 printer dandy , 've problems bought bj 200 printer couple days ago compared sample print hp deskjet 500 knew hp n't bj 200 pretty fast really prints good quality compare hp laserjet postscript look almost identical \( depending kind paper \) n't problems ink dry , seems dry fast probably within second since canon giving 50 rebate end may , really good buy sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications wow , 's funny ask i'm little behind news reading know may late purchased canon bubblejet last night really worried would n't like print quality , noise level fantastic ! printed quite documents lots graphics printed damn near laser quality ca n't tell 's laser unless get 2 inches page problems drivers printer came driver diskette good beginning panic could n't windows wordperfect works well yet install word windows n't know works deskjet 500 work last year good printer well ut felt awfully slow much bubblejet wo n't say bubblejet much better , really like 0 02 worth brett sincerely , robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu cpa cs stanford edu theory , theory practice practice , mean want revised revision original revised revision revised \? 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brandon launchpad unc edu \( brandon \) subject 3d graphics software company info \? nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 19 within months , 'll looking job 3d computer graphics software i'm need info companies 's nothing faq 's group , nothing siggraph org \( least could n't find anything \) last computer graphics career handbook dated 1991 , info 40 companies , nothing specific people please direct towards current detailed sources information \? 'll post summary sources 's interest also , could please e mail , news server fritz \( thanks , brandon opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
falcon \( bjorn r \) subject earwax organization tech lines 29 hbloom moose uvm edu \( heather \) writes try adding drops olive oil ear shower wax couple days , try also safe point ear shower head , allow water six years ago ears clogged wax , probably result much headphone use anyway , clinic cleaned used following procedure 1 inject olive oil ears 2 prevent leakage oil cotton 3 come back hour 4 ears warm , forcefully injected ear \( strange sensation \) 5 done special tools , evidently quite familiar problem large steel syringe special bowl cutout ear take coming without good luck seconded , bjorn r falcon
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject desi pb upgrade reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 14 david schnider bmug org writes anyone know exactly digital eclipse upgrades \? someone suggesting chips may able perform 33mhz true , , desi deal \? would believe letter macweek week one hardware types digital eclipse says run tests components see perform upgraded speed desi replaces ones hades
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject two babylons organization university south africa lines 52 article may 13 02 30 57 1993 geneva rutgers edu mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes seeing two babylons brought , time respond , , say book junk nothing anti catholic tract sort published ever since protestants scholarship phony assertions spurious seen book , though several people quote support tendentious assertions making , become curious n't want hislop fellow , whoever may , heard arguments second hand , arguments seemed turn false etymology seemed derived hislop would interested knowing things first one claimed word church derived greek , therefore related worship n't know hislop source assertion , seem based false etymology second claimed relationship ishtar easter , seemed even far fetched wilder notions british israelites regarding latter , far able find , easter derived old english name april venerable bede mentioned associated goddess called , apart reference able find anything also seems term easter used english germans , example , also use term , germany english missionaries would interested evidence easter used people kind connection ancient anglo offshoots evidence might support claims appear derive theory hislop steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject new encryption algorithm keywords nea organization dsi uscrpac lines 32 arthur melnick posts interesting first hand message nea algorithm though reason disbelieve anything says , want clarify one point says connection nsa part nsa plot , course 'd say n't think level discussion sort , quickly reach point 's impossible continue rationally discussing issues crook well , , course 'd say ever popular favorite please prove following negative n't know messages , taken ignoring comments \? david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
fsu edu \( \? \? \) subject good hard disk driver non apple drives \? \( sys 7 1 compat \) organization disaster , inc lines 22 article jartsu lk hp 20 hut fi , jartsu hut fi \( jartsu \) wrote hi ! recommendation good hard disk driver software non apple drives \? would mainly need syquest removable media drive , maybe normal drives fwb distributes hdt personal edition \( hdt hard drive toolkit \) , less fancy full version , good enough want blanca offers drive7 , i'm familiar think drive7 hdt pe around us 50 've used work \( v 5 42 \? \? \) , like hdt pe much better imho better interface , easier understand drive7 users \? james
uxa ecn bgu edu \( \) subject schedule organization educational computing network lines 27 nntp posting host uxa ecn bgu edu article 1993apr20 news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes ca n't believe espn making sportschannel america look good ny , nj , philadelphia , chicago everywhere else , reason sportschannel available local baseball broadcasts yes , point well taken however , even areas finally got games , 's something nagging back skull network national rights pocket says sports news , 's awesome overtime going quebec city , 'll try get update show know 's satellite 's somewhere listen guys talk whole playoffs i'm small town southern illinois school i'm canada know cbc tsn games every night , go bar satellite watched games mon que toronto detroit , mention van vs cbc show goals every game evening n't missed goal playoffs well go boy leafs ciao roger eastern illinois university
arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) subject dx50 vs dx266 nntp posting host aix rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute , troy , ny lines 11 would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 thanks lot , matt
cbnewsg cb att com \( gary \) subject good place back surgery \? keywords hospitals back surgery organization distribution usa lines 19 hello , one quick question father back problem long time doctors diagnosed operation needed since lives mexico , wants know hospital anywhere united states particulary famous kind surgery , kind like houston reputation excellent doctors eye surgery additional info pointers appreciated whole lot ! thanks advance gary bell labs
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject science theories organization university illinois urbana lines 19 per various threads science creationism , 've started book called christianity nature science jp question come one comments stated god necessarily religious term , could used scientific terms give explanation events theories , without proven scientific fact think got point quote section i'm vague examples gave quarks continental plates explanations science parts theories measurable , everything quantified , measured , tested , etc \? mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
rstevew armory com \( richard steven walz \) subject employment \( concentrate child molesters \? organization armory lines 138 article 1993apr19 tijc02 uucp pjs269 tijc02 uucp \( paul schmidt \) writes sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) writes \? prove \? object property ownership think property ownership limited individual person family needs need 200 , 000 survive , need 3 could get less argue property tied thus cutting people form basic level property owners must bribe rest us respect ownership rights providing alternative means expected give owners \( lets call thieves \) order able sick situation property owners parasites want people able live happy lives property owners cannot maintain monopoly free enterprise system unless help coercive government land owners get together try control land without selling , land prices go point advantage land owner sell property trying put group people distribute land fairly would give monopoly control land , would consequences speak let 's keep land grasp monopoly let exist free market 's already hands monopoly rich capitalism land government land , saved eco system well government function , remaining land owned smaller percentage people ever game capitalism almost game declared take matters hands redistribute fairly , else enslaved return place live central california , already , fewer 30 property 5 90 's twice twenty years ago high pay 60 income rent , afford one room , 30 minimum wage workers homeless unless degrees technical fields working , \( midst 30 unemployment high tech jobs ! \) , never anything used car choose one child ! ! ! everywhere else could afford jobs way get save consume , clothing used , food poor movies , entertainment , , ect five seven years , , 've saved 20 , 000 , get together much , 's ignoring kids working two jobs , buy home arkansas missouri outright live somewhere flood every year ! 's exaggeration pay close attention flood lines people 's houses find sturdy hill , buy one ! also buy missouri 's bad , like sensation sleeping summer car freezing solid winter really put heaters dipstick hole keep warm enough start ether ! \) shit , kill rich redistribute property kill ! rsw want people able work gain basic workable system suggest \? always looking improvements way coexist world give people happy , meaningful lives , individual reach highest potential asking forced redistribution land \? system imagine lead , pollution , , land know system , please describe please specific , since imagination cannot comprehend system specifics interested 1 someone get land assigned born \? 2 happens someone 's land die \? pass children \? 3 someone sell land \? 4 someone land \? 5 governmental restrictions put land use \? 6 administer system \? 7 much cost administer system \? know alot ask understand time answer questions think better able understand proposing , answer paul schmidt advocates self government , davy crockett chapter president land simply granted people live extra kept future get stay without paying rent land supports others becomes property state farmers welcome plant crops people need according demand ability soil quality want grow always , n't good job , let another farmer grow , grow something else people die land entitled use goes public holdings one sell land , trade places anybody one lease land government locally distribute use land used insufficient families living traded public larger house yard according need availability local land council vow live land till death avoid profit ties decide fairness subject review state federal land councils cost fucking thing costs fucking rent going deep dark hole owners ! anyone submit request larger house land start business , depending valid business plan community needs heavy equipment subject seizure public good needed heavy equipment operators encouraged keep maintain machine operate reasonable salary service community companies many machines divided among appropriate equipment operators rest let valid operators need basis cost charged guild heavy machine operators recognized safety training 's sake council community council etc etc etc n't hard think better system realize system , fact 's rigged game steals blind unfair system could already ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! trick realize old rich making rules behind back 's time kick merry go round tax rich death ones converted 60 's school lunch program joke today ones always cut education ones always raise rent get raise ones killed abuse trouble justifying death penalty poor kid killed n't know trouble justifying death penalty rich steal countless human lives feed greed ! paid rent life \? enslaved , percentage wise , life used called , still enslaved somebody claims land n't use make us pay nothing california enough buy apartment house , taxes insurance little left travel ! seen books ! know landlord pays ! know pay forced buy building let end nothing , much right live planet ! child money likewise enslave child hope find going die make things little happier form able destroy life destroyed mine maybe take landlords , heirs would worth able die anything 's poor man 's dream sleep tight , bastard landlords n't know trouble buying sleep heirs money mattress ! rsw richard steven walz rstevew deeptht armory com \( 408 \) 429 1200 515 maple street 1 without safe free abortion women santa cruz , ca 95060 organ surrogates unwanted parasites real men would never accept organ slavery protect women
johng matt ksu ksu edu \( \) subject wanted hard drive buy trade \( 80 mb \) organization kansas state university lines 20 nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu greetings , looking upgrade hard drive much bigger one since find kinda cramped space , never filled would like extra comfort 30 megs anyone would like sell trade 80 meg bigger hard drive 125 straight 75 trade please e mail back ksu ksu edu offer would also sell hard drive 60 really want 's western digital ide sure transfer rate , pretty fast faster teac drive running 5 months never problem would guarantee works upon thanks john p would love maxtor 130 hard drive
ik arrow ctt bellcore com \( ik su yoo \) subject microsoft buy xhibition \? \? reply mark taylor uucp 's message tue , 18 may 1993 21 00 29 gmt nntp posting host 128 96 136 123 reply ik su yoo ik bellcore com organization bell communications research 1993may18 taylor uucp names nerdc ufl edu elroy jpl nasa gov 1993may18 taylor uucp distribution usa lines 40 mark mark davis mark taylor uucp writes article 1993may18 taylor uucp mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes mark ones control use mark follow like blind sheep cause markets i'm sure mark enough paid market nt conferences without mark needing conference open windowing mark know planning go would cancel mark eyes closed , nt belong mark conference would , however , like go closed mark environment nt conference see product curious mark doubt , however , based objective opinions trust , mark would impressed many \( \? \) people believe xhibition '93 one paid market hype nt conferences \( put \) \? one going , , , curious technology think great chance learn nt , mainly presented x 's home turf believe attendees mostly x backgrounds \( biases \? \) thus , expect nt presentations face tough audience person judge whether nt hyped closely get evaluating nt technology without actually using , n't time nt turns vapor technology get bored , many interesting tutorials presentations wo n't waste time california \? ! \? \) thoughts ik su yoo , ik bellcore com
nigel allen nigel allen canrem com subject new method diagnosing alzheimer 's disease discovered reply nigel allen nigel allen canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution sci lines 113 press release huntington medical research institutes new method diagnosing alzheimer 's disease discovered huntington medical research institutes results reported national desk , health writer contact john , 310 444 7000 , 800 522 , huntington medical research institutes los angeles , april 28 new method diagnosing measuring chemical brain lead alzheimer 's disease discovered researchers huntington medical research institutes \( hmri \) pasadena , calif results research reported may issue scientific journal , radiology using advanced form magnetic resonance imaging \( mri \) called magnetic resonance spectroscopy \( mrs \) , research team led brian ross , , phil , conducted study 21 elderly patients believed suffering form dementia exams used standard mri equipment fitted special software developed hmri called clinical proton mrs clinical proton mrs easily applied , giving doctors diagnoses less 30 minutes automated version clinical proton mrs called proton brain examination \( probe \) reduces examination time yet , providing diagnoses less 10 minutes comparison , current standard care testing alzheimer 's disease calls lengthy memory function tests , upsetting patient , definitive confirmed autopsy addition alzheimer 's disease , new clinical proton mrs exam may applications diagnosing , including aids related dementia , parkinson 's disease huntington 's disease 've developed simple test administered quickly relatively inexpensively using existing mri equipment fitted either mrs probe software , said dr ross , adding , help physicians diagnose alzheimer 's earlier intervene progression disease causes damage delicate inner workings brain dr ross hmri team measured family chemicals brain known , \( mi \) acted marker study comparison healthy patients , diagnosed alzheimer 's showed 22 percent increase mi , level another chemical called n \( \) significantly lower , indicating loss brain stimulating neurons believed associated progression disease current drug therapy alzheimer 's disease widely considered inadequate attributable , dr ross believes , theory alzheimer 's caused interruption transmission chemical nerve cells belief last 15 years , consequently , drugs treat alzheimer 's based changing receptors physicians real need test differentiate alzheimer 's , provide patient family firm diagnosis monitor future treatment protocols treatment disease reason , consider test major advancement medicine , said bruce miller , , noted neurologist harbor ucla , mrs researcher co author study members hmri research team included rex , ph , , b , thomas ernst , ph , suzanne woolley , r n probe software fitted approximately 1 , 200 general electric mri units currently use united states , configured mri units soon interviews dr ross , advance copies radiology may issue , information , please contact john hmri 310 444 7000 800 522 q alzheimer 's disease alzheimer 's disease caused \? alzheimer 's disease \( ad \) incurable disease brain first described german alois alzheimer disease , leads loss memory mental functioning , followed changes personality , loss control bodily functions , , eventually , death many people affect \? alzheimer 's disease affects estimated 4 million adults united states fourth leading cause death , taking approximately 100 , 000 lives year alzheimer 's victims , equally devastating , emotionally financially , families ad common cause dementia adults symptoms worsen every year , death usually occurs within 10 years initial onset signs symptoms \? although cause ad known , two risk factors identified advanced age genetic predisposition risk developing ad less one percent age 50 old , increases successive decade life reach 30 percent age 90 patients ad , immediate family relatives 50 percent chance developing ad one first symptoms severe forgetfulness caused short term memory loss dr herman school medicine new york university says whether forgetfulness serious symptom largely matter degree suggests following criteria forgetting name someone see infrequently normal forgetting name loved one serious forgetting left keys normal forgetting get home serious doctors suggest people severe symptoms evaluated order rule alzheimer 's disease forms dementia 30 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
snail lsl co uk subject congruent corporation x motif info ! organization laser scan ltd , cambridge lines 61 follows \( editing \) email message full \( except header \) sent congruent corporation today received 5 minutes ago , still n't read fun product overview allows existing unix x applications hosted windows nt includes common x support clients supports x terminals provides multiuser nt facilitates porting unix x applications window nt bsd behavior x programming libraries target market customers unix x applications want windows nt allows hosting windows nt minimal effort permits x clients single windows nt system support multiple users x servers x terminals , unix based , nt based , windows based bsd library behavior minimize unix porting effort standard c libraries winsock nt registry path drive replacement bsd include file layout true berkeley sockets supplies common bsd functions missing nt x programming libraries complete x v11r5 libraries motif widget libraries motif uil registry based x configuration direct windows gdi via local socket 0 x support applications includes full set x client applications motif window manager \( mwm \) multiuser nt capabilities special adaptation xterm special nt hosted command shell provides logname , home facilities multiple users multiple x servers simultaneously access single nt system x terminal support bootp boot x terminals font loading font server scaled x fonts xremote serial slip x info com congruent \( congruent information \) snail lsl co uk washing one 's hands conflict powerful powerless means side powerful , neutral quote freire poster
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization university virginia lines 35 article atlas nafb trw com atlas nafb trw com writes article jhunix hcf jhu edu , pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu \( pablo iglesias \) writes batter amazement , umpire missed 12 years played ball , worst piece umpiring ever saw sounds like fun topic slo pitch softball game , first base dugout one players hit shot first base line bases loaded question fair foul ball hits ground , chalk flies umpire calls foul give standard n't see chalk line response hit foul half line started laughing mark bad similar situation softball , bases loaded , weakest hitter plate hits line drive third baseman 's head hooked hooked finally landed ten feet foul ground , almost hitting fence side field umpire called fair ball ! coaching third , yelling move base ump 's position still fair passed third base team n't immediately protest 'll never know certainly n't going argue , since every body manage advance one base safely also time batted ball \( runner second base \) leg , fielded ss , steps second force runner first , throw first time umpire called triple play protest removed game anyway clay
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject time best players originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 49 article 1993apr22 1 woods ulowell edu woods ulowell edu writes best player time pointless ca n't compare players different era 's course careful conclusions draw notice best pitchers \( stat wise 20 's 30 's \) best around hitters probably came 40 's 60 's huh \? 20 's 30 's worst decades great pitching grove , vance , dean , whole lot else best around hitters , stat wise , ruth , gehrig , foxx , greenberg , hornsby , cobb , etc played 40 's stat wise , 60 's hitters great number great pitchers equally great number great hitters fielders \( also , know \? ones consider great \? fielding , gloves much smaller early years baseball \) maybe hitter like sheffield 330 ba , , 100 rbi \( even though probably fluke year \) compared mantle pitching sheffield faces faster mention better \? sheffield also better shoes time pitches run comparison , lots things take account could said frank thomas said best hitter since ted williams , although frank 's defense suck well , compare ca n't \? saying ca n't compare players different era 's , want best player try choosing best players different era 's \? compare players standard era keep mind era era differences without throwing hands despair way reasonable basis comparison n't shown us 's un reasonable mantle sheffield comparison roger
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject dealing cults thoughts organization artificial intelligence lab lines 131 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu wake waco , email discussions people group particular , discussed cults operate , fbi might motivated black news behave way , kinds problems involved dealing cults similar organizations include edited account wrote identity correspondents \( hope \) erased editing process makes text choppy sorry 've tried retain information content ellipses \( \) indicate text removed comments new , intended make easier outsiders understand notes preliminary feel free criticize cheers \( \? \) , oded \( begin included text \) took course called madness crowds , course included cults briefly mentioned analyzed jonestown \( external reading \) william edited series books psychology evil mass movements starting authoritarian personality , university chicago press , 1948 attempt figure would motivate people support fascism bad guys wwii , extension wars , racial n't think books perfect , study advanced , elicit koresh types even first volume think 're onto something cult psychology works i'm amateur hope i'm hopelessly naive long koresh could people , made sure n't believe life , away otherwise , 'd \( koresh \) nothing siege , ex davidians recounted convinced people compound survived intercession god spare worthless souls absolutely classic brainwashing technique long believed , 'd ignore batf fbi child protective services even red cross asking come , ever left , god would straight hell , combined forces us gummint , goodwill world \( doubtful \) could n't save second believed , 'd stay die , like folks jonestown analogy , replace cult leader wife \( husband \) , notice many folks show , kill ex 's consequence shattered really happen time way , ideal cases , without life meaningless , relationship , matter abusive , rather individual 's partner news , n't feds owe world explanation \? agree official explanations order also see good \( \? \) reasons news fact available fbi acted yesterday , people would alive today matter , people would died , koresh made sure believed lives outside influence hence would make little difference fbi acted held hostage , trump going jail , nothing would really stop offing even fbi went away ! look history rep leo ryan \( staffers \) visited jonestown , request constituents relatives jonestown discovered , even though killed ryan killed , jim jones knew 'd busted internal arguments asking spare children , brought women cult , shouted tapes logic saying matter bad gummint , would n't kill kids , shouted blasphemy , people brought threatened people would dead within hour suspect 's branch davidians \( 's book jonestown james reston jr , titled father art hell n't know whether 's good never read \) way prevent problem would never investigate reports child abuse sexual mistreatment , organizations buying full auto conversion kits shipping hand grenades via ups , chance stumbling across cults would kill , way batf fbi could save people , future cults , ignoring signs suppose 's another way koresh letting go , somehow influencing people abandon owns means communication world mighty tough row suspect fbi tried , noise sensory insults however , maybe 're sophisticated , maybe job impossible 's certainly possible guy running show jerk fbi might want blackout coverup poor job bd 's koresh , 'd want keep quiet would n't embarrassed trying bd 's koresh , 'd want keep quiet could n't , well meaning point view would n't screw hate playing chess world screams face , especially time people really die , could blamed n't think ignoring incidents workable policy , unless deny fbi , batf , child protective services \( whatever stripe \) rest gummint exist \( end \) okay ,
slegge kean ucs mun ca subject nhl team captains lines 13 organization memorial university st john 's nfld , canada st captain trivia , next edmonton st lee later traded st buffalo sabres , wayne gretzky st w traded l , came kevin low st nly year traded n rangers n't mark messier captain oilers kevin lowe \? , course , traded well point every oilers captain traded still true stephen legge slegge kean ucs mun ca
jbrown batman bmd trw com subject gulf war selling arms lines 40 article 930420 rusnews w165w mantis co uk , mathew mathew mantis co uk writes mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes parallel thread much definitions bombs , etc deleted tell , many innocents killed concentration camps \? mm hmm , many scheduled enter concentration camps shut captured allies \? mm hmm , civilians died war matter , civilians die proper course \? n't sell bastard arms information first place ruthlessly hunt especially 're positions power mathew , agree , seems , crux whole position , n't \? us n't supported hussein sold arms fight iran \? agree agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein , 's done deal invades kuwait sit back say , well , sold arms , suppose wants use bad kuwait , unfortunately , sitting back letting things way correct former mistake destroying hussein 's military potential right move agree statement , reagan bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein 's really gulf war abhor much , u 's west 's selling arms hussein ultimately made war inevitable , right \? , agree deleted mathew regards , jim b
rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 35 article sunb ocs mq edu au ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) writes article 19930419 305 almaden ibm com ameline vnet ibm com \( ian ameline \) writes also believe someone reverse engineer clipper chip , knowlege algorithm likely fairly widespread back doors weaknesses would discredit scheme , help grow market demand secure alternative companies \( one canada , recall \) specialize analyzing chips understand process technology , design rules , understand probable yield assembly line making , therefore probable current cost possible future cost curves , given design , statistical quality control better yields , etc taiwanese , japanese especially korean semiconductor manufacturers \( korea continues \) reverse engineered foreign chips produced chip taiwan japan signed intellectual property treaties , least extract gate level design laying chip koreans still use mask level copying , believe least , lot pressure pass laws meet international intellectual property standards despite lots attempts hide designs lots techniques hardware software design complex chip , real intellectual effort extracting gate design transistor design , algorithm gate design wo n't take two smart guys even 6 months , working 40 hour weeks koreans work 60 8 \) lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \)
nrp st andrews ac uk \( norman r paterson \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization st andrews university , scotland lines 16 article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article 1993apr21 st andrews ac uk , nrp st andrews ac uk \( norman r paterson \) writes article 8mo fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes ok , n't claim absolute moral system claim objective one \? 'll assume answer yes , apologies 've spent two solid months arguing thing objective moral system exists jon apologies , 've paying attention norman
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject new study gay percentage organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 23 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes elf sternberg less 10 population gay , say people n't identify gay demonstrated gay potential obviously , large chunk people chose \( , accurately , forced choose force religion social sanction \) put feelings aside , heterosexual obviously , cramer kaldis fall category ca n't speak kaldis force religion social sanction played part sexual preferences neither much influence teenager might well certainly would error would views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
mikey eukanuba wpd sgi com \( mike yang \) subject gateway 4dx2 66v update nntp posting host eukanuba wpd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc lines 10 ordered 4dx2 66v system gateway thanks net discussions helped decide among vendors options right , 4dx2 66v system includes 16mb ram 8mb upgrade used cost additional 340 mike yang silicon graphics , inc mikey sgi com 415 390 1786
leavitt cs umd edu \( mr bill \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization cafe edge universe lines 20 xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu \( mike terry \) asks possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) replies mike imposible due shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground ugh ! gave guys login names \? blech p john obviously never saw ride buddy 's cx500 , known torque monster could pull beautiful bike ! unfortunately , owner saw one never get ride tm \( mr bill bill leavitt , 224 '82 cbx white lightning , '82 gs850g leavitt cs umd edu '76 little honda , '68 lone star sick leave dod ama nia '69 impala convertible incredible hulk , others hmmm , thought bore stroke technique ! michael bain , 757
daves meaddata com \( dave spencer \) subject geronimo pena \? organization mead data central , dayton oh lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host meaddata com article cronkite central sun com , hawkwind central sun com \( bob netherton \) writes article 1993apr20 1 eagle wesleyan edu , eagle wesleyan edu writes hey 've noticed luis alicea starting 2nd cardinals instead geronimo pena pena hurt , benched poor performance \? anyone know \? quick start , pena stuck rut torre gave alicea start try get pena whatever funk worked past worked pena went 3 3 last night colorado dave spencer mead data central , ohio oooo g daves meaddata com g gg oooo ttt rrr iii bbb eee \) r r b b e \( \( \) rrr bbb eee \( \) rr b b e r r iii bbb eee
pyotr halcyon com \( peter hampe \) subject continuing decay organization northwest nexus inc lines 20 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com much blathering role military forces enforcing civil law deleted main problem trying get military involved police work differences missions police take names , try find happened , stop suspects \( thats meaning \) turn custody judicial branch case military 's mission kill enemy escape surrender chus pyotr pyotr halcyon com sometimes pyotr filipivich , sometimes owl optimist bagpiper beeper
dragon acadiau ca \( bill wilder \) subject seeking info retinal detachment organization acadia university lines 40 quite near sighted 've recently received laser treatment eyes seal holes help prevent retinal detachment left eye small detachment begun already apparently laser used weld back place well right eye seems fine left eye seeing occasional flashes bright light prior treatment since treatment \( two weeks \) flashes occuring often several hour explained flashes caused body attached retina pulling says treatable hopes may go away accord enough may well face retinal detachment seeking \( via sci med \) additional info retinal dr wish spend much time explanations appreciate details anyone provide interest retina detach immediate course action \? conventional surgery need repair detachment procedure like kind vision expect afterwards symptoms \( fairly frequent flashes \) imply detachment maybe near hand necessarily cause alarm many thanks bill bill wilder , computer systems manager research station agriculture canada , nova scotia
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject espn cares less hockey organization university toronto chemistry department lines 32 article 1993apr21 vax cns muskingum edu jbrown vax cns muskingum edu writes espn pathetic , watching everybody complain espn 's coverage agree might suggest getting worked nothing knew espn 's coverage going suck mean ever watched regular season sportscenter coverage hockey \? sucks , mean really sucks ! ! ! espn know hockey shot ass really pissed last night , coverage go school ohio know indians suck , show \? bill clement would shoot anyway calmed realized going show overtime caps isles game thought knew going happen , fact praying least would keep even boring devils game overall think espn care show hockey firmly belive know respect fans ie contract obligations , screw espn praise hockey fans put shit ! go hawks ! ! ! price hockey fans pay mistake leaving espn 5 6 years ago take time correct mistake returning espn correct decision last year next time , may potential sportschannel espn really compete offer better coverage forced deliver gerald
werner soe berkeley edu \( john werner \) subject help antidepressants requested organization uc berkeley school education lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host soe berkeley edu article penguin equinox gen nz , penguin equinox gen nz \( gordon taylor \) wrote prozac gave bad anxiety jitters , impossible sit still minute tried prozac months ago , insomnia , anxiety jitters probably could lived insomnia prozac done good , provided tiny benefit maybe person prescribed n't know much gave dose n't work i'm seeing psychiatrist put zoloft \( another serotonin inhibitor like prozac \) one pill day \( \) seemed help i'm trying day zoloft fewer side effects prozac think doctor said 4 people taking zoloft side effects problem i'm minor gi distress , nothing annoying hopefully zoloft work maybe friend try one next psychiatrist 's strategy seems first try one serotonin drugs , usually prozac works , great works many side effects , try zoloft maybe paxil serotonin drugs n't work , try one like suggestions next step \? doctor knows something antidepressants make big difference psychiatrist claims gps fps n't much experience area , 've seen i'm inclined believe think know antidepressants people family practitioner 's office disclaimer i'm doctor know comes talking psychiatrist reading sci med john werner werner soe berkeley edu uc berkeley school education 510 596
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) lines 39 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks article access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes given described hst seemed smt , given mass discovery mission tight enough spacewalking carefully constrained edo pallets , spare suits , extra mmu 's \? quick test goldins philosophjy faster cheaper , better build real fast space tug , handle boost hst using clean cryo fuels , get ready hst mission nasa could build mercury 13 months , able make smt 9 much would need \? guidance package use voyager spare thruster gear , use , lox lh bus use grapple fixture use stripped canadarm comms package spare x band omni gear pat build space dock either inflated place crew work item without wear much items bulky suit idea come michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization microsoft corp lines 44 article may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu wrote one thinks homosexuality christianity compatible check romans 1 27 corinthians 6 9 timothy 1 10 jude 1 7 ii peter 2 6 9 gen 19 lev 18 22 \( name verses pertain homosexuality \) christ 's love , bryan whitsell like never heard , read verses \? read context , taking consideration times places written local customs pagan rituals surrounding verses talking interact rest bible many issues bible argued , argued sides issue examples come mind gifts spirit rapture occur \( pre post tribulation \) people baptized name found nothing scripture condemns , anyone else , monogamous relationship person love , even sex i'm sorry coming across heated 's lord dear last several years i'm tired hearing old thing people believe told rather finding check invite holy spirit guide n't confident would n't invite god bless loisc
thomas richard stevenson mts cc wayne edu \( thomas r stevenson \) subject imakefile files keywords imakefile distribution world organization wayne state university lines 6 nntp posting host 141 217 4 31 've installed many x apps , many imakefiles lines xmkmf create makefile , makefile also \( comment \? \) lines always edit lines make command wondering lines , might wrong causes make command dislike thanks !
seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) subject soc religion christian organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 26 article may 16 01 56 14 1993 6674 geneva rutgers edu sfp lemur cit cornell edu \( sheila patterson \) writes atheists agnostics read list n't christian intention ever becoming one earth waste time mine participating christian discussion list \? find remark awfully arrogant would venture say many people christians , one point lives intention ever becoming christian certainly one person quite thankful christians willing continue talk , despite appearance might waste time mine \( even married one \) always prepared give answer everyone asks give reason hope respect \( 1 peter 3 15 \) seanna watson bell northern research , pray end living , \( seanna bnr ca \) ottawa , ontario , canada philosophies creeds , god find people busy opinion , opinions \? oh opinions planting trees sowing seeds , 're bnr 's , 're mine knew 'd left somewhere fred kaan
moose orb utc com \( bruce \) subject gui tools reply moose orb utc com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 23 making transition nextstep x windows trying find best gui tool needs looked several tools seem basically \( salesman beg differ \) realize differences n't amount time discover tools looked far uim x , x designer , tele use , tcl tk , interviews , suit far 've drawn following conclusions 1 \) builder interviews mature , bad docs 2 \) tele use expensive uses proprietary toolkit 3 \) uim x x designer seem , even though x designer interpreter \( 'll centerline need one \) 4 \) tcl tk little buggy 5 \) know little ics builder \( sales info \) 6 \) due corporate agreement x designer much comercial product 7 \) time i'm spending could bought \( well different money \) 8 \) live shortcomings make work 9 \) type tool seems great , noone seems talk net another news group \? 10 \) suit cost much comercial development i'm hoping someone strong opinion least one products thanks bruce aoa \( 617 \) 864 check mind door band time forgot moose aoa utc com aoa ! moose bbn com
truemner mac truemner rd hydro ca \( gary truemner \) subject syquest 150 \? \? \? organization ontario hydro , toronto , canada distribution usa lines 12 article hydra gatech edu , prism gatech edu \( anthony kim \) wrote remember someone mention syquest anyone else heard anything \? 'd interested cost per megabyte approximate cost drive compare bernoulli 150 bernoulli also offer 20mb floppy drives read 1 4mb floppies reads formats writes bernoulli 's installed industrial computers much rugged syquest get pay guess n't heard syquest \? \? \? thanks truemner mac truemner rd hydro ca ontario hydro automated welding r \( 416 \) 207 fax 237 toronto canada
shag aero org \( rob unverzagt \) subject satellite around pluto mission \? organization organization \? must kidding lines 32 nntp posting host aerospace aero org article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes wierd , warned \? oh , weird ok , i'm warned ! plan put satellite around planet solar system keep watch \? help better ask questions spout opinion keep watch \? mission \( unmanned \) pluto stay orbit record things around near pluto know strange idea , \? \? oh , several tens \( hundreds \) millions dollars would cost record things 'd prefer manned mission , anyway could scanning pluto , also solar system , objects near , well seti looking galaxy without much solar system worry 've already got pretty good platform scan solar system , well seti looking galaxy without much solar system worry care guess \? shag rob unverzagt shag aerospace aero org tuesday green day unverzagt aero org
traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) subject harry caray lines 24 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 dave 'almost cursed jays' kirsch \( kirsch staff tc umn edu \) wrote article oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil \( bernard \) writes quite sure reasons , old man certainly ole harry maybe wife \) n't claim know whether 's true , couple different people \( totally unrelated \) said harry duties platonic relations busch 's wife judgement left individual , cuz sure n't claim source case among said \( well , quite said certainly alluded \) bing devine , gm administrator time heard bing speak last year 's sabr national btw , show hands attending year 's sabr national san diego \? 'll neal traven pitt edu 're young , traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen
hopper cs ucsd edu \( steve hopper \) subject pc hand scan mac \? summary hand scanner mac keywords scanner lines 15 nntp posting host odin ucsd edu logitech hand scanner pc i'm wondering anyone successful connecting scanner mac \? connector serial device pc imagine pins would need , i'm sure signal levels would correct , mac w would work course manuals say nothing interface , connector layout anything h w ish ! ideas \? \? thanx , steve
carl com \( carl shapiro \) subject letter clipper organization las vegas sun distribution inet lines 19 article mid netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes part basis belief nsa people , spend much money , much better hardware anyone else could said many goverment agencies , big budgets , large staffs , long lead time n't made many models effectiveness fact us outside inner circles james bamford 's word people nsa use legendary masses computers anything reading netnews , like many us nsa n't impressive record accomplishments , least public record david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted , hand , ! 's \?
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject new motorcycles organization duke university durham , n c lines 11 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu apparently , place take msf course around nc community college preclude sort state , , \? andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) subject help kidney stones reply paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) organization gec marconi research centre , great baddow , uk lines 28 article garbo ericsson se \( mats \) writes n't relatively new treatment kidney stones involving non invasive use ultra sound patient lowered sort liquid undergoes treatment \? i'm sure 've read somewhere remember correctly painless effective treatment couple weeks ago visited hospital stockholm saw big signs showing way kidney stone saw years ago tomorrow 's world \( low bbc technology news program \) patient lowered bath de water carefully positioned high intensity pressure waves generated electric spark water \( n't get de water conduct \) waves focused kidneys parabolic reflector cause stone break completely painless course , get little bits gravel ouch ! paul paul johnson \( paj gec mrc co uk \) tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 ideas others like gec marconi research 0 02 reputable idealist responsible opinions
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject date stuck distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 25 04 21 93 04 30 , michael shapiro unmitigated gall say ms dos system date twenty four hour clock rollover bit ms system crosses midnight , rollover bit turned ms subsequent reads time add one 's change possible ms \( information current dos 3 3 've checked ms see whether applies later versions \) small tidbit advent dos 3 3 later versions , ms added small feature dos time function program sets dos clock via dos system services , dos set bios clock value breaks isolation two clocks used ensure errors dos clock bleed bios clock sometimes microsoft people n't think ! \) fact mickey mouse wears al gore blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
attmail com \( mike miller \) subject consecration anniversary reply free catholic mailing list catholic american edu lines 6 change subject , fr allowed notre dame \? notre dame anti catholic university allowed show notre dame believe freedom speech \? glad allow speak mike
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject armenia azerbaijan two views summary refuting azeri professor , dr rasizade organization p center regional studies lines 278 article 1993may15 seas smu edu pts seas smu edu \( paul thompson schreiber \) posted pts armenia azerbaijan two views pts pts washington report middle east affairs pts april may 1993 , vol xi , 9 pts pts pts pts pts life blockade yerevan pts pts nancy ms wrote personal observations somebody wishes counter reality described , fine pts pts pts pts conflict nagorno karabakh azeri perspective pts pts alec rasizade pts pts ar western readers learned nagorno \( upper \) karabakh ar controversy reports remote area western ar correspondents commentaries member long established ar armenian american community azeri views dispute ar appeared rarely western news media therefore let ar present washington report readers basic truths ar origins conflict past two years , one reads commentaries subject , small minority writers armenia azeri following interesting ar armenian leaders claim azerbaijan first oppress ar expel armenian minority azerbaijani republic actually , ar initiative banish azeri minority convert armenian ar republic homogeneous state began winter 1987 1988 , ar 165 , 000 azeris driven armenia following move , ar massacres armenians azerbaijani cities sumgait ar february 1988 two years later , baku january 1990 true simply checking newspapers , quote independent human rights report pax netherlands , 29 september 1991 , page 28 , read mid november , many incidents took place several places azerbaijan azeri popular front challenged communist party power ten days , authorities came tanks power nakhitchevan , last armenian villages deported , armenians attacked killed 40 , 000 armenian inhabitants fled city 22 november 8 december 1988 , refugees arrived armenia 167 , 000 azeris armenia chased away part world february 1988 start organized anti armenian pogroms azerbaijan come november december 1988 ! ar azeri parliamentary committees compiled evidence indicating ar events inspired moscow secure russian imperial rule ar , according roman principle divide ar rule similar conspiracies evident throughout five year ar history conflict interesting azeris killed , burnt , raped armenians perpetrators blame russians , armenians occasions ar time parties reach agreement \( ar , moscow , tehran , rome , geneva ata \) , ar invisible hand provoked bloodshed interested ar maintaining azeri armenian conflict , well georgian ar turmoil , imperialist forces russia , probably iran incorrect ! people nagorno karabakh ever involved agreement \? never azerbaijan sits armenians nagorno karabakh never end conflict ar armenian offensive last spring created 100 , 000 new azeri ar refugees captured towns upper lower karabakh ar adjacent rural districts today 500 , 000 azeri refugees ar city baku environs , providing problems newly ar elected popular front government , opposed ar nationalistic national independence party 's called war azerbaijanis n't try allow armenians nagorno karabakh live ways , keep armenian culture , armenians would defend existence azeris assumed armenians going roll play dead ar western style democracy survive small muslim country ar 1 million 7 million inhabitants unemployed \? ar absence international effort help azeri refugees , kurdish ar bosnian refugees helped , azeri government ar reject demand lands , homes ar possessions \? azeri government thought attempted deprive armenians lands , homes , possessions ar simple realities must understood west ar misunderstanding caucasian politics leads western russian ar public opinion imagine permanent , therefore irreversible , ar ethnic religious rivalry caucasus true , , dr alec rasizade , practice preach ! ar think western reluctance interfere derives idea ar meanwhile , continuation war could draw eastern western ar states conflict activation various security ar include , armenian side , moscow led ar commonwealth forces mutual security pact , signed ar may 15 , 1992 azeri side , turkey get involved ar nakhichevan autonomy kars treaty oct ar 13 , 1921 , include north atlantic treaty forces western interference ! turkish intervention ! moment turkey dares step conflict close doors chance turkey part europe \( ever \) destroy eastern third anatolia ! dr rasizade , international simple minded would us believe ar upper karabakh generally described western press reports ar armenian enclave within azerbaijan truth armenians ar began appear middle last century incorrect brief scan history addresses foolish claim armenians today , refer area nagorno karabakh artsakh , comes term azeris yet ! ancient greeks referred artsakh azeris yet ! first half 6th century b c , artsakh , part armenia media azeris yet ! end 4th century b c , artsakh part armenian kingdom ervan azeris yet ! artsakh still part armenian empire , artsakh refereed , part armenia azeris yet ! armenia divided persian byzantine 387 428 , artsakh part armenia azeris yet ! end 5th century , artsakh became principalities azeris yet ! 7th century artsakh dialect armenian formed azeris yet ! emperor \( 913 959 \) letter prince armenia central artsakh azeris yet ! decree paul \( 1797 \) , number armenian families area stated 11 , 000 16th 18th centuries non armenians central asia , asia minor , first began exercise political influence planes artsakh caucasian muslims around karabakh ! 1813 karabagh becomes part russia part russia muslims karabakh ! 1914 , number armenian churches nagorno karabagh 224 , 188 priests , 206 , 768 224 armenian towns villages armenian percentage population 90 max 10 azeris karabakh assuming kurds ! consider following statement azerbaijani december 1 , 1920 worker peasant government , informed proclamation armenia soviet socialist republic , sends greetings brother people day previous boundaries armenia karabakh , , nakhichevan recognized integral parts armenian republic long live brotherhood union workers peasants soviet armenia ! chairman n narimanov people 's foreign affairs ar years ago celebrated anniversary ar resettlement persia karabakh , came russian ar rule , incorrect 1988 celebration anniversary russian rule caucasus , including karabakh ! ar time russian colonial administration also drew ar russian german settlers , welcomed azeris ar would americans react large numbers armenians living ar southern california suddenly claimed armenian homeland , ar demanded separation california \? non sequitur ar armenian historians insist armenian resettlement ar karabakh inhabited christians correct armenian historians n't say ! ar people medieval caucasian albania adopted christianity ar fourth century ancient residents link ar nothing common armenians considering caucasian armenian apostolic faith , utilization armenian language liturgy , makes argument totally invalid ! ar azeris would better claim ar successors albania , since azeris centuries inhabited , ar dominated , developed karabakh part azeri nation wishing part people non existent nearly millennium geo political advantage rather outrageous addition absurdity , azeris claim turks , persians , minorities , lezgians , kurds , , , host nationalities may amount nearly half population azerbaijan ar armenia azerbaijan last year signed final act ar conference security cooperation europe 1975 , ar paris charter new europe 1990 , confirming mutual ar adherence principle existing borders ar principle means borders territorial integrity ar republic azerbaijan guaranteed ar nations , turkey agreements give azerbaijan right de karabakh armenians ar one key intervention behalf either u n , ar csce , commonwealth , nato iran second key ar caucasian knot determine aggressor , according ar u n definition 1974 fine , azerbaijan refused allow un troops armenian enclave \? azerbaijan afraid \? perhaps fact territory home armenians , un , would definition , support local population ! ar accomplished , international community ar apply aggressor caucasus international sanctions ar presently employed serbia montenegro ar former yugoslavia decisive collective international action ar halt aggression karabakh , prevent armenian azeri ar conflict growing spreading azerbaijan 's refusal allow armenians karabakh determine future issue , viewing isolating events context actions address karabakh conflict viewing events war isolation context like viewing landing normandy act allied aggression ! ar dr alec rasizade , senior research officer academy sciences ar azerbaijan , visiting researcher institute ar columbia university new york ha ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
fraser sfu ca \( pat \) subject pctools windows demo organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 18 elroy uh edu \( , dean e \) writes someone downloaded pctools demo compuserve , please upload cica ftp site thanks , dean elroy uh edu sorry , n't demo , program using past weeks since dos 6 well , n't use many features use pct desktop drag drop printing , folders folders , multiple desktops file manager far superior win 3 1 's fm pat cln etc bc ca
subject nords 3 habs 2 robbed ! ! caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 21 article 18apr93 vm1 mcgill ca jbe5 jbe5 musicb mcgill ca writes aargh ! paul stewart worst biased ref presently nhl called total 4 penalties habs one nordiques penalty came stewart , ex nordique , looking call penalties habs letting nords get away murder robbed ! ! ! ! powerplay bad montreal 's , 'd thanking stewart calling penalties possible quebec 's powerplay lethal advantage penalty filled game clean superior powerplay montreal really lost game \( game 2 \) patrick roy well way another one trademark awful playoffs man truly overrated quebec scored six goals roy four , perhaps five , quite alan
carter cae wisc edu \( carter gregory \) subject computer engr vs computer science organization u wisconsin madison college engineering distribution usa lines 91 article srvr1 engin umich edu chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) writes article tecot xenon stanford edu tecot xenon stanford edu \( edward tecot \) writes professor mine said difference computer engineer computer scientist 5000 meaning engineer makes 5000 p 5000 joke scott part , bunch bunk 've got computer engineering degree , yet 've spent last 7 years writing software people actually use moreover , salary distinctions incorrect received 3 job offers upon graduation two jobs actually used hardware experience 7000 year lower ! advice decide classes projects interest , pick major allows take emt well 0 02 worth advice grad student agree gentlemen wrote comment important thing pick ever interest learn much possible five years education field , though brief compare alot people , think kind question lot make right decision going electrical engineering opposed computer engineering cs \? go thru school , believe kind question irrelevant interesting , think computer technology becomming widespread enough longer position must require degree know several people work make much n't even bs degree comp sci yet make 28 year also n't pay 30 grand thier local university either \( think computer programming reduced trade practice , truly specialty field even future interested cutting edge type stuff choose cs , suggest checking emerging field software engineering difficulties example designing scaleable design environments individuals single person handle 100 , 000 1 , 000 , 000 million lines code reasonable manner incorporate teamwork enviroment truly gigantic problem going solved time soon unfortunately hey could person provides missing key good groundwork ! come believe choosing cs one like hardware choosing hardware one like program really injustice building computer making useful something everything inseparable cs , ce , ee part really great discipline depend advice n't limit , make decision based major give best opportunities learn course depends curriculum school would choose major allows explore much possible beside , n't know school would make student choose major year hey may interested field decided learn making computers case , suffer little go grad school money n't look averages , good , going earn money anyone else superstar programmer , earn millions like wise computer designers well , like poor world like , financial position continue graduate work right top 10 comp sci school trick , find generous inc work pay rest education trust best way go even n't get top salary always poor throughout school follow rule book salary food shelter always computer wo n't go hungry else could man want \? ! chung yang greg carter
kardank ere umontreal ca \( kardan kaveh \) subject human head modeling software organization universite de montreal lines 19 article taurus cs nps navy mil adaptive cs nps navy mil \( zyda res acct \) writes hi , ! interested facial animation want implement program area n't 3 information face looking 3d images face try getting cyberware demo via ftp contains 3d images face copyright status data \? restrictions regarding uses put \? kaveh kaveh kardan kardank ere umontreal ca
glen tegra com \( glen \) subject monitors nanao \? organization tegra , inc billerica , lines 23 article c5uw1t 3hi eskimo com johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) writes hello , 've following discussions 17 monitors comp sys ibm pc hardware noted nanao seems get good reviews i'm interested getting information nanao 's products well others may fit bill may computer shopper magazine nanao f550i nanao t560i tube manufacturer mitsubishi sony trinitron active screen size \( \) 15 5 16 25 maximum resolution 1280x1024 1280x1024 video bandwidth \( mhz \) 80 120 min max scan rate \( khz \) 55 90 55 90 min max horiz scan rate \( khz \) 30 65 30 80 dot pitch \( mm \) 0 28 0 26 list price 1749 street price 1059 brightness , contrast , h v positioning , h v size , h v convergence , color \( front panel digital \) also front panel degaussing control
rob rjck uucp \( robert j c kyanko \) subject help world screen 4x4 matrix organization neptune software inc orlando , fl lines 12 need help creating 4x4 perspective matrix 'd like use x , , z , w texture mapping code got graphics gems many books talk , none simple plain english graphics gems , i'm talking page 678 'd like perspective matrix handles different field views aspect course thank 's help yes , course everything say personal opinion ! robert j c kyanko \( rob rjck oau org rob rjck uucp \)
beck inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject xdm backgroundpixmap \? organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 17 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host inf tu dresden de hi , 've tried get rid xdm 's ugly login window giving backgroundpixmap login derived core , possible anyway , setting backgroundpixmap b c xpm produce message form convert string registering converter lead nothing , way \? brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
pebi aem umn edu \( peter bidian \) subject duo price reduction \? nntp posting host aem umn edu organization university minnesota lines 17 cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) writes someone mentioned ago duos scheduled 10 18 price reduction , according 'newsbytes' definite \? anyone know take effect \? 'newsbytes' \? thanks hi , posted article unfortunately n't seen notice cheaper duo 's u next according articel though , price cut effective day group news like clarinet peter
subject planets habitable steveg arc ug eds com distribution sci organization eds , gds solutions , cambridge , uk nntp posting host nntp posting user steveg lines 19 article iyd fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes article jpg 93apr27135219 holly bnr co uk jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) writes would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions deleted dandridge cole isaac asimov collaborated book titled , habitable planets man \( think \) 1964 available good libraries , inter library loan high school science version original rand study stephen h dole planets man gives harder numbers graphs \( predates michael hart 's \( later \) work continuously habitable zones \)
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject bob knepper damn right ! organization biochemistry lines 59 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article shelley u washington edu hardy u washington edu \( glenn tanner \) writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes article 1993apr19 leland stanford edu leland stanford edu \( dave \) writes get sucked \? article 1993apr19 035406 news yale edu \( austin jacobs \) writes n't guys think \? mean , c'mon ! heck women even thinking getting baseball cause many problems assuming 're serious , guess 'd surprised hear us guys n't think would guess tiny fraction 1 folks reading post agree kind doubt even agree sheesh ! agree , dave anyone starting rec sports idiots guys like austin \? , starting rec sports idiots people respond obvious flamebait nah , let 's reserve rec sports idiots people post obvious flamebait , like someone posts something controversial \( mention idiotic \) austin posted widely accessed newsgroup , someone challenge statement school thought suggests silence consent whereas idea may apply everything life , certainly apply forum public discussion , r b 've reading r b lately , 'll find even elementary school children access postings , edited form 's making think little carefully things post conclusion , someone like austin wants post drivel obscure newsgroup n't read , fine 's got right rant , rave , wants name free speech newsgroup read , support right anyone provide rebuttal , course , n't read want cut flames , post flamebait ! \( n't respond flames , either saves cyberspace \) sheesh , eric
vela acs oakland edu \( \) subject repost cose gui organization oakland university , rochester mi lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu repost like find also message part 2 text cose announcement specifies motif become common gui mean exactly \? mean cose complient apps motif look feel \? mean cose complient apps use motif toolkit api \? mean \? possible motif api complient toolkit openlook look feel \? olit xview oi interviews api toolkit motif l f \? \( know oi already , considered cose complient \? \) one standard toolkit api l f supported \? using tooltalk fit motif \? attempt start discussion order pull much knowledge questions net feel free e mail followup gil days n't pay devil imp hellnet org go sleep morning devil 10a com
hawaii edu subject supra 14 4 fax 14 4 ext stand alone modem forsale 150 organization university hawaii distribution usa expires sat , 1 may 1993 10 00 00 gmt lines 10 supra fax modem v 32bis external stand alone forsale external digital status display fax speed 14 4 send receive compat class 1 , 2 , group 3 data rate 14 4 12 96 72 48 24 12 3 v 42bis , v 32bis 5 hayes compatible command external cable serial port works pc , mac , amiga 150
mjs behemoth genetics wisc edu \( mike schmelzer \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow reply strnlght netcom com 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 18 19 50 gmt organization uw netcom com access digex net netcom com lines 39 argh get acknowledging david sternlight 's existence article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes though think overstatement , contain grain truth 's drug dealers , spies , terrorists , organized crime figures \( assuming enough probable cause convince judge \) need watched , law abiding citizens okay , looks like going history lesson vietnam war , great many citizens opposed considered perfectly law abiding , although mr nixon thought otherwise federal government adding people otherwise decent , law abiding upstanding , disagree us nice little list think could never happen \? note speculating government could , discussing sort observation including limited phone tapping government put citizens time national tension naivete still appalling , btw mean , read posted differentiate good people bad people \? answer priori , ca n't assume , way assume \? assume priori citizen law abiding , rather potential \? one things 's supposedly great america freedoms enjoyed citizens presumed law abiding proven otherwise mike schmelzer , mjs genetics wisc edu , \( 608 \) 262 finger pgp people n't riot minute saw film waited justice never came ice
jge cs unc edu \( john eyles \) subject insensitive technicians distribution usa organization university north carolina chapel hill lines 37 nntp posting host ceti cs unc edu friend recently admitted north carolina memorial hospital suspected meningitis serious business wanted lumbar puncture , ct scan prerequisite arrived hospital room hour returned ct tears evidently technicians ct lab unpleasant begin , put apparatus moves machine , pushed button slide straight machine , without explanation imagine worried may deadly disease , next thing know 're put big scary machine , without word explanation going happen believe inexcusable waved hand say , responded annoyance anger next inserted , tried insert , iv apparently lot trouble complained pain technician stopped fixed glare without words explanation anything pigs \? realize technicians sort job day day patients irritating simply excuse purpose existing help sick people , excuse sort behavior fortunately friend fine imagine large proportion people get ct scans fine cancer sort thing n't need kind shit also , since named hospital involved , also point neither complaints competence compassion personnel thanks listening , john eyles jge cs unc edu
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject best first basemen organization university illinois urbana lines 26 \( sean garrison \) writes article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu wrote mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! actually , keith hernandez best sean behind bag ! vin scully 'll go mark grace , 2 years , frank thomas chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
hoss panix com \( felix cat \) subject med school admission organization panix public access unix , nyc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 17 hi , ive applied class 93 quite number schools \( 20 \) gotten 13 rejects , 4 interviews 3 responses one know heck people send acceptance letters \? according med school admissions book supposed send number class mid march whats going losing sanity checking mailbox every day also anyone useful alternatives case dont get , kind looked chiropractic really dont interest thanks felix cat 0 0 wonderful , wonderful cat ! meow ! hoss panix com
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 17 article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject lemieux 's getting hart jeez hope ! organization university pittsburgh lines 32 article 22apr93 02956996 0062 unbvm1 csd unb ca f1hh unb ca \( patrick walker \) writes get hart \? mario jesus ! 's bad enough utter word without extremely sick pissed guy 's ten minutes give f king break mario best player ever ! gretzky die \? wish bobby clarke condone violence , 'll make exception mario mario going complain hit , someone give scotty something real complain sorry ramble see hate mario pat walker unb n't kill beav well eddie might get trouble 's gun beav , shoot , beav well ok eddie wally 're trouble
george crayola east sun com \( george perkins sun microsystems tampa fl systems engineer \) subject lithium questions , doctor wants 10 year old organization sun microsystems , inc lines 33 distribution world reply george crayola east sun com nntp posting host crayola east sun com keywords lithium , info hi sci med folks would like know anything folks tell regarding lithium 10 year old son lives ex wife difficulty behavior , , wants try local doctors suggestion would like know whatever important know worry sort thing would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy booklet lithium information center based university wisconsin , feel pro lithium would interested comments necessarily pro side fence concerned father wish well informed thanks information provide please email directly george perkins systems engineer sun microsystems computer corporation 6200 courtney campbell causeway suite 840 tampa , fl phone \( 813 \) 289 7228 fax \( 813 \) 281 email george perkins east sun com
cash convex com \( peter cash \) subject nature waco gas nntp posting host zeppelin convex com organization x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 29 article cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes heard network radio news spokesman army saying type cs gas used waco banned military use use also banned reason given use causes extreme nausea , blindness , disorientation , total irrationality , raging paranoia children would susceptible , show results earlier indeed talking cs , quite accurate cs tear gas albeit worst kind n't nausea gas , n't direct cns effects however , 's quite bad much worse cn gas briefly exposed \( engagement berkeley circa 1968 8 \) 's kind thing forget seems moisture activated made eyes sting water , attacked breathing passages lungs breathing painful , entire face felt fire effects persisted hours exposure , days afterwards exposed dense concentration stuff closed space several hours , doubt whether could find exit indeed , ca n't imagine living die welt ist alles , ist peter cash \( apologies ludwig wittgenstein \) cash convex com
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject wc 93 results , april 22 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 109 1993 world championships germany group results russia switzerland 6 0 \( 2 0 , 1 0 , 3 0 \) 1st rus 1 0 alexei yashin 1 5 23 rus 2 0 alexei yashin 2 16 45 2nd rus 3 0 1 7 13 3rd rus 4 0 andrei 3 3 47 rus 5 0 2 4 13 rus 6 0 sergei 1 13 50 penalties rus 7 2min 1 game penalty , swi 9 2min referee rob hearn , usa attendance 3 , 500 canada austria 11 0 \( 6 0 , 2 0 , 3 0 \) 1st 1 0 shayne corson 1 9 51 2 0 rod brind'amour 2 10 24 3 0 paul kariya 1 12 42 4 0 gerry galley 1 18 23 5 0 eric lindros 2 19 11 6 0 rod brind'amour 3 19 46 2nd 7 0 eric lindros 3 0 31 8 0 eric lindros 4 8 50 3rd 9 0 brian savage 1 13 37 10 0 brian benning 1 16 26 11 0 geoff sanderson 3 17 55 penalties 2 2min , 2 2min attendance 7 , 500 usa france 6 1 \( 3 1 , 1 0 , 2 0 \) 1st 0 1 richer 1 5 02 usa 1 1 adam burt 1 8 32 usa 2 1 rob gaudreau 1 18 15 usa 3 1 jeff lazaro 1 18 29 2nd usa 4 1 adam burt 2 10 54 3rd usa 5 1 podein 1 8 03 usa 6 1 rob gaudreau 2 16 25 penalties usa 3 2min , 2 2min referee darren , canada attendance 1 , 511 finland norway 2 0 \( 0 0 , 0 0 , 2 0 \) 1st 2nd 3rd fin 1 0 juha riihijarvi 1 4 16 fin 2 0 kari 1 12 37 penalties fin 5 2min , 7 2min referee sven erik sold , sweden attendance 3 , 600 best goal scorers eric lindros 4 rod brind'amour 3 dieter ger 3 andrei rus 3 geoff sanderson 3 rus 2 adam burt usa 2 viacheslav rus 2 jiri dolezal cze 2 mike gartner 2 rob gaudreau usa 2 patrik juhlin swe 2 frank 2 ger 2 jarkko varvio fin 2 alexei yashin rus 2 wc stats fastest goal wc game first face 10 seconds steve larmer , canada 1991 game vs sweden \( ended 3 3 \) boris , ussr 1978 consecutive wc games without loss 47 ussr 1978 85 38 ussr 1963 68 37 canada 1937 49 35 ussr 1985 90 27 canada 1950 54 \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
aaron minster york ac uk subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) distribution world organization department computer science , university york , england lines 17 mark mccullough \( mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \) wrote figure , far figures seen indeed accurate , explain discrepancy figure , figures international organizations \? figures seen place hit ratio close 70 , still far higher 35 figure say bomb missed plane took , bomb never hit target , regardless whether bomb dropped \? methods used time lie statistics answering last sentence , claimed success rate 80 without initially explaining , pressed , meant 80 aircraft came back dropped bombs somewhere , whether hit intended target , indeed anything al aaron turner
carl frost bain oz au \( carl \) subject c motif , gcc , silly messages organization bain company x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 9 thanks everyone mailed help , unfortunately end problem really stupid behalf code 100 perfect , might help add control c makefile anyway mangled name telling locate control constructor want reaffirm valuable book one , i'm enjoying page \)
mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) subject capital punishment organization computer science dept , qmw , university london , uk lines 25 article may 12 04 29 37 1993 athos rutgers edu gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes safety degree means death penalty military operations sufficient keep peace , non violent provisions preferred proportion keeping final goal protection peace human dignity thanks posting exact wording seen previously part quote seems indicate disapproval capital punishment used means sufficient would say stronger restriction saying capital punishment useable justifiable would certainly say cases crime justifies death \( perhaps old testament interpretation \) , reverence life would say would oppose actual death penalty \( new testament interpretation \? \) matter debate whether death penalty works keep peace way non violent provisions n't believe , would certainly observe usa , death penalty , far higher murder rate uk , matthew huntbach
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject pms prevented diet change \? lines 274 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine question came sci med nutrition i'm posting answer 22 medical schools u teach courses human nutrition already seen lack nutrition education candida kidney stones present medical community think best example u medicine really missing mark comes knowledge nutrition pms many women \( husbands \) suffer disorder really criminal physicians u taught pms primarily caused diet diet changes prevent ever shooting flames , read entire article decide flaming justified poster sci medi nutrition psychological anthropology course taking , got onto short conversation pms rumors shared several students included ideas vitamin levels , sugar intake , caffeine intake might affect pms symptoms data , much hooey \? many thanks , michael , 've wanted reply post ever since saw got side tracked candida pms lot like candida blooms , physicians n't recognize specific disease entity everything would ever want know pms premenstrual syndrome divided four specific pmt \( anxiety \) pmt \( depression \) anxiety depression forgetfulness insomnia confusion depression lethargy pmt c \( craving \) pmt h \( \) craving sweets weight gain increased appetite breast congestion tenderness sugar ingestion causes abdominal tenderness 1 headache face 2 3 fatigue fainting pmt characterized elevated blood estrogen levels low progesterone levels phase women 's cycle pmt c caused ingestion large amounts refined simple carbohydrates phase women 's cycle , increased glucose tolerance flat glucose curve oral glucose challenge metabolic findings believed responsible pmt c low magnesium low e1 condition hypoglycemia unique pms number different causes hypoglycemia , magnesium seem specific pms hypoglycemia j psychiatry 147 \( 4 \) 477 80 \( 1990 \) complex carbohydrate substituted sugar , magnesium supplementation alpha acid supplementation \( increased 5 6 total calories \) using oil evening oil sources alpha acid pmt characterized elevated progesterone levels phase women 's cycle another cause pmt found lead toxicity \( women without elevated progesterone levels phase \) effect metal ions binding human 28 312 18 \( 1972 \) pmt h associated water salt retention along elevated serum level salt restriction , b6 , magnesium vitamin e breast tenderness effective treating pmt h general discussion pms syndromes came form management premenstrual tension rational nutritional approach 1986 , year nutritional medicine j , ed , publishing , 1986 b nutritional factors premenstrual tension syndromes , j med 28 \( 7 \) 446 64 \( 1983 \) c premenstrual tension , prob obstet gynecol 3 \( 12 \) 1 39 \( 1980 \) treatment traditionally involved progesterone administration find doctor treat pms \( hard finding one treat candida blooms \) progesterone work , supplementation vitamins minerals works even better really awful lot research done pms \( much candida blooms \) many studies called experimental controlled studies \( type rigorous clinical studies doctors like see done \) studies carbohydrate experimental controlled study , effect low fat , high carbohydrate diet symptoms cyclical lancet 2 128 32 \( 1988 \) 21 pts severe persistent cyclical least 5 years duration randomly selected receive specific training reduce dietary fat 15 total calories increase complex carbohydrate ingestion given general dietary advise training 6 months , significant reduction severity breast swelling tenderness trained group reported self reported symptoms well physical exams degree breast swelling , tenderness vitamin experimental controlled study , use vitamin premenstrual tension obstet gynecol scand 39 586 92 \( 1960 \) 218 pts severe recurring pms received 200 , 000 300 , 000iu vitamin daily placebo serum retinol levels monitored high dose supplementation discontinued evidence toxicity occured \( serum retinol ml \) intent study load liver vitamin get normal pool size \( 500 , 000iu 1 , 000 , 000iu \) see normal vitamin pool could prevent pms 48 getting high dose vitamin complete remission symptoms pms 10 getting placebo reported getting complete relief pms 10 vitamin treated group reported improvement pms symptoms experimental controlled study , premenstrual tension treated vitamin j clinical 10 89 \( 1950 \) 30 pts received 200 , 000iu vitamin daily starting day 15 cycle supplementation continuing onset pms symptoms 2 6 months , 30 pts reported significant improvement pms symptoms vitamin supplementation stopped evidence toxicity demonstrated 30 pts followed one year high dose vitamin supplementation stopped pms symptoms 30 pts upto one year vitamin supplementation stopped americans normal store vitamin liver studies several others designed see getting normal store vitamin liver could eliminate pms vitamins given pms \( vitamin , b6 , vitamin e \) , vitamin shown best single effect probably vitamin involved steroid \( estrogen progesterone \) metabolism liver getting liver full vitamin seems one best things prevent symptoms pms vitamin toxic n't want trying without seen physician monitor vitamin toxicity vitamin b6 experimental double blind study , \( vitamin b6 \) premenstrual syndrome randomized crossover trial j r coll gen 39 364 68 \( 1989 \) 32 women aged 18 49 moderate severe pms randomly received b6 daily placebo 3 months groups switched followed another 3 months b6 significant effect emotional aspects pms \( depression , \) symptoms pms affected b6 supplementation experimental double blind study , vitamin b6 supplementation premenstrual obstet gynecol 70 \( 2 \) 145 49 \( 1987 \) 55 pts moderate severe pms received b6 daily placebo 2 months analysis convergence showed b6 significantly improved premenstrual symptoms related nervous system \( dizziness vomiting \) well behavior changes \( poor mental performance , decreased social interaction \) anxiety , depression water retention improved b6 supplementation vitamin b6 rda american men women birth control pills 40 different drugs increase b6 requirement man women birth control pills supplemented 10 15 mg b6 per day dose increased symptoms pms appear dr david r heads biological psychiatry branch nimh quoted clin psychiatry news , december , 1987 stating b6 considered first line drug pms \( progesterone \) patient respond , treatments tried vitamin b6 toxic \( nerve damage \) consumed doses day vitamin e experimental double blind study , efficacy alpha treatment premenstrual syndrome j med 32 \( 6 \) 400 04 \( 1987 \) 35 pts received vitamin e daily 3 cycles placebo vitamin e treated pts 33 reported significant reduction physical symptoms \( weight gain breast tenderness \) placebo group 14 reported significant reduction physical symptoms vitamin e group reported 38 significant reduction anxiety versus 12 placebo group depression , vitamin e group 27 significant decrease depression compared 8 placebo group experimental double blind study , effect alpha premenstrual double blind study j coll nutr 2 \( 2 \) 115 122 \( 1983 \) benign breast disease pmt randomly received vitamin e , , daily placebo 2 months supplementation , vitamin e higher significantly improved pmt pmt c dose needed significantly improve pmt dose vitamin e significantly improved pmt h \( studies shown higher vitamin e doses relieve pmt h symptoms \) magnesium experimental double blind study , magnesium prophylaxis menstrual migraine effects magnesium headache 31 298 304 \( 1991 \) 20 pts headache received 360 mg daily magnesium magnesium acid placebo treatment started 15th day cycle continued 2 months , pain total index significantly lower magnesium group magnesium treatment also significant reduction menstrual distress questionnaire scores magnesium levels significantly lower group 20 pts compared control women suffer pms treatment , magnesium levels cells raised normal range experimental double blind study , oral magnesium successfully premenstrual mood changes obstet gynecol 78 \( 2 \) 177 81 \( 1991 \) aged 24 39 randomly received either magnesium acid mg per day placebo 15th day cycle onset menstrual flow 2 cycles , groups received magnesium menstrual distress questionnaire score cluster pain significantly reduced second cycle \( month \) magnesium treatment group well placebo group switched magnesium supplementation addition , total score menstrual distress questionnaire significantly decreased magnesium supplementation authors suggest magnesium become routine treatment mood changes occur pms numerous observational studies published medical literature also suggest pms primarily disorder arises hormone imbalance dietary nature since observational studies considered physicians sci med anecdotal nature , bothered cite also half dozen good experimental studies done mineral supplementation prevent pms 've chosen best specific studies individual vitamins minerals try point pms primarily nutritional disorder doctors n't recognize nutritional disorders unless see clinical pathology \( , , , etc \) pms probably best reason every doctor trained u get good course human nutrition pms really tip iceberg comes nutritional disorders 's time medicine woke roses 's studies show importance mineral supplementation diet change preventing pms experimental study , effect nutritional programme premenstrual syndrome retrospective analysis , complement med res 5 \( 1 \) 8 11 \( 1991 \) given dietary instructions supplemented \( r \) plus additional vitamin c , vitamin e , magnesium , zinc oil dietary instructions take supplements switch low fat , complex carbohydrate diet retrospective analysis , 96 5 reported improvement pms symptoms 30 sample stating longer suffered pms experimental double blind study , role nutrition managing premenstrual tension syndromes , j med 32 \( 6 \) 405 22 \( 1987 \) low fat , high complex carbohydrate diet along supplementation significantly decreased pms scores compared diet change placebo 6 months experimental program , vitamin mineral group significantly decreased increased progesterone serum phase cycle experimental double blind study , clinical biochemical effects nutritional supplementation premenstrual syndrome , j med 32 \( 6 \) 435 41 \( 1987 \) randomly given \( 12 tablets per day \) placebo treated groups showed significant decrease pms symptoms compared placebo another group got \( 4 tablets per day \) placebo second group patients , significant effect supplementation pms symptoms observed martin banschbach , ph professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology osu college osteopathic medicine 1111 w 17th st tulsa , ok 74107 without discourse , remembering , without remembering , learning , without learning , ignorance
hall vice ico tek com \( hal f lillywhite \) subject mormon beliefs children born wedlock organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 24 article may 13 02 30 13 1993 geneva rutgers edu aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) writes bruce webster writes indeed , lds doctrine goes one step cases holds parents responsible children 's sins failed bring properly \( cf c 68 25 28 hi bruce reconcile practice ezekiel 18 \? ezekiel 18 20 soul sins one die son share guilt father , father share guilt son righteousness righteous man credited , wickedness wicked charged actually c 68 25 28 parents held accountable sins specifically accountable failure teach children properly fail teach children stealing wrong responsible theft later indulge behavior similar instructions ezekiel given eze 3 18 ezekiel failed duty warn wicked , would wicked die sins lord would hold ezekiel responsible ! similarly parents responsible teach children right wrong suspect christians \( jews etc \) would agree parents responsibility
cnsvax uwec edu subject sale addition organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 2 sorry , forgot add jap import andy
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 33 branch davidians violent planning start violence bd compound assaulted atf bd fire back agreed cease fire allowed atf care wounded bd even released atf agents captured clear release agents allowing atf medical attention bd looking trouble bd violent would held atf agents hostages would released like kept agents hostage could used chips medical attention etc big thing made bd collection weapons one shown plans use also apparent bd military training , could dug bunkers trenches increased could shot lights speakers appears bd violent , shot back attacking atf agents panic shots fired last day response fbi attack compound armor violence waco initiated federal agents , bd rod anderson n0nzo acceptable substitute boulder , co brains silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo ao 16
stimpy dev null phys psu edu \( gregory nagy \) subject espn organization penn state laboratory elementary steam physics lines 52 nntp posting host dev null phys psu edu article news udel edu tmavor earthview cms udel edu writes various justifiable rantings espn coverage several deleted way change espn 's thinking , even possible , complain directly anyone know telephone bristol , ct \? heh try rec autos sport faq always calling espn complain i'm sure could find number abc , many west coast viewers something boring hockey cut long beach gp \) find hard believe espn n't think viewers simply change channel boring game know , n't show nyi wash overtime \( \) , ! wanted watch baseball , could turned phillies padres extra inning game instead , went bed angry espn 's morning sportscenter today , still incensed \( several people seems \) asleep day contracts explained \? piece paper saying must show baseball game happens many businesses money commercials run baseball game business , personal video servant wife says n't go bed angry , last nite ! maybe put anger something positive example , saw ads new dodge espn kbl broadcasts write dodge saying thanks ads run stanley cup playoffs , products future love hear stuff like future willing buy commercial time hockey games , giving espn \( networks \) incentive carry games \( one example \) come people , great think , hockey big three tim known many names college marine studies call tim univ delaware newark , de know much hidden , o' tim ! tmavor pandora cms udel edu monty python holy grail
catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu subject please tell 're permenant scratches ! organization temporary employment service , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu way wax dull finish \( minor \) \? passngering fiance 's bandit , hip pack rubbed tail left nasty dull finish teeny scratches way get rid \? buff \? wax \? help ! thanks advance cathy cathy saum cs20 andrew cmu edu ave 2 '82 yamaha seca pgh , pa '73 cl450 \( custom wooden tank \) studio '64 1 2 mustang \( 351 v8 \) \( 412 \) 521 dod
bittle canisius edu \( jason bittle \) subject sabres playing well organization canisius college , buffalo ny lines 18 agree boston good team streaky put together great streak capture first place adams , \? lost home ice advantage least first round , might make would love see sabres win first round , even though bet bruins \( 12 pack \) oh well , perhaps start betting sabres often ! \) ciao , jason bittle \( bittle canisius edu \) \( k dough boy \) quote compute therefore , b
orion oac uci edu \( michael \) subject deskwriter driver v3 1 problems nntp posting host slip nts uci edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 organization uc irvine lines 12 x xxmessage id slip nts uci edu x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 17 55 15 gmt article ut emx uucp marc bizer , bongo cc utexas edu writes happened anyone printing beep heard message displayed sort window closed finder enough memory \? one suffering delusion \? marc bizer solved going system folder get info \( command \) finder give memory
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 22 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article spam maths adelaide edu au jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes article m06 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes consider defining belonging nation claims right state based religious belief form racism although n't want muddy waters unnecessarily disagree discrimination based religion cannot racist unless sole qualification religious membership racial way means anti jewish anti persons semite , form racism means form segregation different based religious identification aap joseph askew
mcl ucsb edu \( andrew \) subject impala ss going production ! distribution na lines 40 1993apr19 ucsu colorado edu dunnjj ucsu colorado edu \( dunn jonathan james \) writes mcl ucsb edu \( andrew \) writes personally like looks impala ss caprice definately weird looking year made rear wheel look like normal car , impala gm ca n't exactly shove lt1 everything make , know , bigger stuff 'd like see next 1500 series pickup would hot setup full size blazer well \? would engine torque necessary \? , would even better syclone well , lt1 blazer would n't come close gmc typhoon speed , think heavy right , normal 5 7 engine plenty power full size blazer course , i'm saying gm n't put lt1 \) seems like real winner engine spend much money getting 32 valve dohc v8 take lt1 \? even seems get pretty good gas mpg \( 5 7 , \) talking impala ss 4 door caprice body \? i'm curious chevy trying 2 door muscle cars , compete european super sedans yeah , 's flat black , lowered 4 door caprice riding 17 aluminum rims eagle gs c tires rest car basically caprice \( read police package \) 300 horsepower heard chevy monte carlo 's going get 3 4 dohc v6 lt1 jon dunn andrew mcl ucsb edu ucsb edu
edimg willard atl ga us \( ed pimentel \) subject rfd comp multimedia open telematic organization willard 's house bbs , atlanta , ga 1 \( 404 \) 664 8814 lines 53 nntp posting host rodan uu net rfd request discussion open telematic group otg proposed forming consortium task force promotion naplps jpeg , openly discuss ways , method , procedures , algorythms , applications , implementation , extensions naplps jpeg standards standards facilitate creation real time online applications make use voice , video , , hires graphics , conferencing , distant learning , online order entry , fax , addition would assist better understand sgml , , , mime , , jpeg , mpeg , fractals , sql , cdrom , , kodak photocd , tcl , v fast , eia , best incorporated implemented develop telematic multimedia applications want able support dos , unix , mac , windows , nt , os 2 platforms hope individuals , developers , corporations , universities , r labs would join supporting endeavor would profit group bylaws charter already many corporations decided support otg \( open telematic group \) delay joining developer rfd posted form usenet newsgroup faq soon composed start known subject would like added send email mail address group would publish electronic quarterly naplps jpeg newsletter well hardcopy version urge wants see cmcs hires based applications naplps jpeg g r w , decide join mutually benefit profit endeavor note telematic defined mr james martin marriage voice , video , hi res graphics , fax , , music telephone lines lan would like get involve write img inter multimedia group internet world std com p box ed pimentel gisatl fidonet org atlanta , georgia , us cis , fidonet 1 133 407 bbs 1 404 985 1198 zyxel 14 4k edimg willard atl ga us \( ed pimentel \) gatech ! kd4nc ! ! willard ! edimg emory ! ! willard ! edimg willard 's house bbs , atlanta , ga 1 \( 404 \) 664 8814
cs nps navy mil \( timothy \) subject homosexuality issues christiani organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca lines 32 cited passages covered depth faq group particular faq \( 've forgotten author \) discusses traditional vs pro homosexual interpretations passages indicates points strong textual support perhaps moderator might give instructions retrieving faq topic \? btw , issue , dealt , timely one major presbyterian churches california \( st andrews rich neighborhood \) withholding support synod \( amounts 10 budget synod , covers southern ca hawaii \) support pro homosexual lobbying group \( lazarus project \) terminated came news report cnn yesterday corrections welcome tim think 's time post faq issue throughout presbyterian church side , one major churches cincinnati homosexual elders , ignored instructions church rochester judicial commission said could n't install homosexual pastor made evangelist situations , well one describe , appear stable certainly major topic general assembly next month church ca n't come solution let people live , think 're end split clearly neither side wants , think 'll get pushed actions sides clh
jennifer lynn urso andrew cmu edu subject turning photographic images thermal print negatives organization freshman , art , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 26 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr26 seq uncwil edu also anyone else planning would happy hear advice might provide computer system use peripherals software seemed quadra 800 would best bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra 800 ram , hard drive , 1200 dpi scanner , 17 sony monitor cartridge drive perhaps cd rom new computers advice would great well , lots experience scanning images altering changing back negatives , really possible \? scanning altering big deal n't know types features version photoshop one use \( , incidentally quadra \) gallery effects types stuff i'm wondering would want put images back negatives , print image 's print know exactly aim \? like , fun , business , gain computer knowledge , project 're working otherwise , guess n't know 'd helping posting info scanning stuff ok \? cool jennifer urso oh bitter woman utter \( cheerful undertones \)
ingo sunee uwaterloo ca \( \) subject list tee times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization university waterloo lines 28 article 1993apr20 julian uwo ca lee139 gaul csd uwo ca \( steve lee \) writes article euc noose ecn purdue edu stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu \( kevin l stamber \) writes kevin l stamber purdue university phil \( kid \) roam arena interviews woops ! rec sport hockey ! rec sport golf ! hope check newsgroup header next time posting ! steve leaf 's play like game one 're going need ! watching game really hurt ! cheers ! ingo sunee uwaterloo ca violent body descartes uwaterloo ca contact sports ingo electrical watstar uwaterloo ca watch , lower class electrical watstar uwaterloo ca paul university waterloo opinion , probably would n't
schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) subject crypto papers net organization chinet public access unix lines 34 article c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) writes 've recently reading paper merkle 's \( net , think \) discussing three potential replacements des ever done \? khufu , khafre , snefru still discussed anywhere \? \( know snefru referenced rsa faq , think may also sci crypt faq \) related topic , anyone point toward good sites find papers articles discussions cryptology \? think 've exhausted math sci library , n't seem anything recent '84 thanks john kelsey khufu khafre patented \( \) biham shamir showed differential cryptanalysis break 16 round khafre chosen plaintext attack using 1500 different encryptions khafre 24 rounds broken attack using 2 53 different encryptions \( probably efficient differential cryptanalytic attacks , someone wants take time look \) khufu key dependent boxes , immune differential cryptanalysis source code algorithm \( khafre \) patent snefru public domain one way hash function version snefru produces 128 bit hash vulnerable differential cryptanalysis \( vulnerable means attack efficient brute force \) four passes less given , sha md5 much efficient oh yes , anyone interested licensing patent contact dave , director patent licencing xerox , \( 203 \) 986 bruce
fr \( joseph \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! reply fr \( joseph \) organization , , france lines 20 article 123645 netnews upenn edu , bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! date 28 apr 93 01 27 46 gmt , another false alarm , 'll certainly done next week message , real thing repeat , drill ! batten hatches , hide women , lock cows , xv 3 00 finally escaped cleaning cage morning overpowered , broke office door , fled lab last seen heading general direction export lcs mit edu nearly 30k per second found , answers name 'contrib xv 3 00 tar z' blast i'm vacation capital u waco , texas
acifuent isluga puc cl \( alejandro cifuentes \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) nntp posting host isluga puc cl organization pontificia universidad catolica de chile x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 28 ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) writes microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? another hint really jumping mouse \( type \) , finally mouse stops jump changing himem sys \( yes , himem ! \) , use device himem sys x x 1 , 2 , , 8 \( course computer appear list parameter \) maybe , mouse stop jump \( problem looks like dirty mouse \) hope help \( anybody ! \) alejandro cifuentes h acifuent isluga puc cl
j k wight newcastle ac uk \( jim wight \) subject menubutton widget question organization internet lines 24 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu scott evans server cs virginia edu writes i'm trying create button label bitmap using menubutton widget possible \? right , get bitmap sign label 's expected first sentence describing bitmap resource menubutton section athena widget set c language interface documentation states bitmap bitmap display instead label one way round might make use button 's backgroundpixmap resource , remember , user application , wo n't able set resource file also , button wo n't automatically size bitmap bitmap tiled necessary , could set button 's dimensions match size jim j k wight newcastle ac uk department computing science , university newcastle , tel 44 91 222 8238 newcastle upon tyne , ne1 7ru , united kingdom fax 44 91 222 8232
rogue ccs northeastern edu \( free radical \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified nntp posting host damon ccs northeastern edu organization college cs , northeastern u distribution inet lines 43 article access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes feds need keys joe blow 's phone escrow agent joe blow \? warrant tap line \? feds well , , warrant tap carlos slime devil line , tap shows mr gonzales using mr blow 's phone escrow agent well , ok go like feds need key phone escrow warrant tap line phone \? feds yes escrow fine , key happens , feds tap line find clipper used extract serial number get key decipher serial number never registered specific owner , sent part conversation give clipper phone , need register \( mainly never first place \) lot things bother clipper , one let 's get facts straight waste effort straw men ra rogue cs neu edu \( rogue agent sod ! \) nsa funding research cryptography , areas advanced mathematics 'd like circular describing new research opportunities , pick phone , call mother , ask one
stanford edu \( sam \) subject best shareware organization dr herzl 's new zion club x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 20 know list best shareware public domain programs windows cica ftp site , unfortunately year old list author made sound like list going updated every month still updated \? anyone else compile similar list \? also individual suggestions best shareware public domain programs \? i'm interested good software every category \( please try include ftp site exact file name , possible , post \) thanks , sam leland stanford edu good david
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper chip technical summary organization dsi uscrpac lines 14 pat myrto says law enforcement wants keys , let get court order ask use probably cause wiretapping warrants n't decrypt historical traffic , prospective listening probably cause established pat 's approach would tip crooks david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
ossip cs tu berlin de \( ossip kaehr \) subject se 30 8bit card work 20mb organization technical university berlin , germany lines 27 nntp posting host cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit summary help ! keywords se 30 mode32 system7 pds hello ! se 30 generation systems 8bit pds card 17 screen worked great upgraded 5 20 mb ram sys7 1 mode32 boot tech support person said card support 32bit fixes pressing shift key booting \( ext monitor goes black grey \) system sometimes boots properly ! ! works ok 20mb full graphics 's happening \? \? \? thanks lot advice ! ! ! please answer mail ossip kaehr ossip cs tu berlin de voice 49 30 ossip kaehr 32 1000 berlin 44 germany tel 49 30 email ossip cs tu berlin de
stevet eskimo com \( steven thornton \) subject babe 's pitching organization eskimo north \( 206 \) 367 3837 eskimo com lines 9 babe ruth 's lifetime pitching stats \( selected \) 94 46 , 671 2 28 era 163 g , 107 cg , 17 sho , 10 6 rat best year 1916 , bos 23 12 , 1 75 era \( led league \) 1917 , bos 24 13 , 2 01 era steve thornton stevet eskimo com
nyx cs du edu \( mark fox \) subject battery storage charge store dry \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 12 quite right , batteries perfectly alright retain charge drained dried well , 'd throw electrolyte buy need anyone says i'm wrong , remember new batteries almost always come ready charged dry , perfectly ok even several years' storage shop mark fox
yang earlham edu subject vasectomy health effects women \? organization earlham college , richmond , indiana lines 22 article 1993apr27 nic csu net , nermal santarosa edu \( eric \) writes anyone know studies done long term health effects man 's vasectomy female partner \? 've seen plenty study results vasectomy 's effects men 's health , women \? example , might wife man become risk , say , cervical cancer \? adverse effects sperm antibodies \? changes vagina 's ph \? yeast bacterial infections \? outside study results , informed speculation \? 've heard studies , speculation earth would effect women 's health \? 's absurd idea 've heard since ted kaldis 's claim 35 , 000 people would march washington ok , one point greatly reduced chance pregnancy 's josh
alan barclay almac co uk \( alan barclay \) subject need info reply alan barclay almac co uk \( alan barclay \) organization almac bbs ltd 44 \( 0 \) 324 lines 11 menon boulder colorado edu \( ravi deantha menon \) ro first , use decent terms ya n't mind sci med , ro alt sex would like rephrase \? unix1 g 'day mate , throw another cat !
sburton dres dnd ca \( stan burton \) subject long distance ir detection distribution na organization defence research establishment suffield lines 31 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 nntp posting host stan content transfer encoding 8bit x newssoftware grn beta 1 16g \( 04 01 93 \) michael b smith mike schwartz mime version 1 0 article 1993apr22 macc wisc edu jvannes vms macc wisc edu writes probably referring products opto diode corp 750 mitchell road newbury park ca 805 499 make amazing irled 's really high powered devices arrays 3 , 6 , 9 , led 's 66 header 9 chip model puts 6 5 watts response 5 amp , 10 us pulse 5 duty cycle think designed ir vision systems jeez , would also interested application work dance technology program , want build something track dancers 30 foot wide stage 50 feet away interesting application , controlled lighting environment , moderate distances might interesting application thought , could use roof mounted ir sender , similar operation tv remote control tells persons coded ir send pulse detector , mentioned previous message thread , would give current position store computer could replay movements screen interesting ! stan burton \( dnd crad dres dtd mss agcg \) sburton dres dnd ca \( 403 \) 544 4737 dre suffield , box 4000 , medicine hat , ab , canada , t1a 8k6
nabil cae wisc edu \( nabil ayoub \) subject monophysites mike walker organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 47 article may 9 05 38 52 1993 athos rutgers edu moderator comments chalcedon compromise two groups , alexandrians adopted language intended acceptable moderates camps , ruling extremes agree extremes heretical however course complex politics time , appears people got rejected n't intend heresy , simply used language understood even seem jointed compromise reasons doctrine groups descended supposedly heretical camps posting discussed descendants alexandrians also remaining nestorians like current called monophysites , reason believe current called nestorians heretical either sheltered nestorius saw unfair treatment , claim adopt heresies , fact seem follow moderate representatives tradition clh big difference status refer alexandrians \( actually , includes oriental orthodox churches copts \) nestorians oriental orthodox churches never even shelter \( monophysitism \) contrary , condemned \( still condemn \) heresy eastren \( \) orthodox church held talks oriental \( non \) started 30 years ago still till today , many issues christology \( details inter orthodox dialogue , case anyone interested \) see alexandrians nestorians similar position peace , nabil nabil ayoub engine research center dept mechanical engineering university wisconsin madison email ayoub wisc edu ' '
david anderman ofa123 fidonet org subject nasa contributions \? x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 6 teflon \? contribution space program \? since french using teflon household items early 1950 's , unlikely invented nasa pacemakers calculators , anecdotally connected nasa maximus 2 01wb
gwm spl1 spl loral com \( gary w mahan \) subject drag coefficients organization loral software productivity laboratory lines 4 could someone explain make sense drag coefficients \( e cd \) mentioned magazines understand lower numbers signify better aerodynamics mean real world way calculate new top speeds \( assuming car rev limited top speed \) mileage benefits identical car cd reduced 34 33 thanx
turner bigbang astro indiana edu \( george wm turner \) subject moon image weather sat image lines 14 nntp posting host bigbang astro indiana edu reply turner bigbang astro indiana edu \( george wm turner \) organization astronomy indiana university home image moon caught weather satellite images earth appears ir visual images earth gif images loaded vmd cso uiuc edu named gif cv043015 gif ir visual images respectively pretty cool pictures ir 's saturated visual image details moon viewable moon images george wm turner turner bigbang astro indiana edu
info ccsvax sfasu edu \( sfasu anonymous account \) subject waco suicide \? organization stephen f austin state university lines 20 us questioned mass suicide line may still wondered , n't suicide , get \? answer available gas government pouring disabling use wartime banned chemical weapons treaty u agreed use gas enemy soldiers wartime , used peacetime civilians , including children confirmation see friday 's clinton press briefing george , posted alt news media locations \( questioned , reply treaty forbid internal use law enforcement agencies posting stephen f austin state university 's anonymous account please report abuses ccsvax sfasu edu
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject final solution gaza \? nf id r cdp 1483500354 cdp 000 591 nf cdp uucp ! cpr apr 27 11 37 00 1993 lines 15 basically three alternatives gaza 1 throw jews sea basically make leave middle east go back came \( russia , europe , usa , etc \) 2 throw gazans sea , accordance yitzhak rabin 's wish many zionists 3 israelis palestinians come honorable fair \( n't attempt say \) settlement , would allow person live dignity country freedom equality opt third alternative folks \? elias
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 79 nntp posting host orbit src umd edu article 13may93 02285380 edison usask ca f54oguocha edison usask ca writes please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? bosnian muslims citizens od bosnia herzegovina identify bosnian muslim cultural religious tradition know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? bosnia , muslim merely religious category , ethnic one well actually , two contradictory arguments made people subject \( 1 \) serbian croatian nationality , bosnian muslims simply croats serbs islamic faith \( 2 \) bosnian muslims separate nationality since feel croats serbs 1968 , argument \( 2 \) accepted former yugoslavia valid , \( 1 \) soundly rejected reasons pragmatic even bosnian muslims croats serbs converted islam turkish rule centuries ago , none present generation clue ancestor 's actual nationality fact , although bosnian muslims felt drawn croatian serbian national allegiance , feel separate cultural historic identity , arguments like yes , ancestors croats serbs carry little weight regardless ancestors might , long bosnian muslims feel separate national group , ends debate outsiders say simply relevant way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! case former yugoslavia , date 1971 , muslim nationality appeared census category first time result sequence decisions past decade , recognizing ethnic group \( 1961 \) february 1968 resolution \( b h \) declaring muslims separate nation , formal endorsement january 1969 , eventually 1971 inclusion muslim nationality choice census forms comparison , 1948 census three national categories available muslims bosnia herzegovina serb muslims 71 , 991 croat muslims 25 , 295 muslims , ethnically undeclared 788 , 403 clearly demonstrates muslims feel nationality tiny minority felt able choose serb croat nationality census results show bosnian muslims consistently opted third category 1948 chose undeclared , 1953 chose , 1961 ethnic group , 1971 , 1981 1991 chose muslim nationality perhaps term bosnian muslim nationality confusing rest world , present context , talking muslims nationality religous group within separate national identity reasons mostly historical cultural religion plays smaller role , part culture general , area simply known religious fanaticism political fanaticism , yes religious fanaticism , group security survival dominate people 's thinking fine points theology fact , bosnia herzegovina well known religious tolerance peacetime known terrible carnage wartime sincerely , josip
rudy netcom com \( rudy wade \) subject bob vesterman 's plan generate fan interest organization home brave lines 19 article 1254 interlan com interlan com \( tony fernandez \) writes marlins tried something like complete failure opening day , instead 7th inning stretch singing take ballgame , young women field lead crowd pa playing 's get feet fans actually booed started singing take actually kind felt sorry girls kidding \? i'm stuck toronto skydome , idea 7th inning stretch blue jays song everyone gets yell okay , okay , blue jays , blue jays , let 's play ball ! wow genius take compose one , old classic women field lead crowd , crowd entertained grounds crew word ground used loosely , outstanding plays fielders
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject point helmet law point organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 20 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article agate berkeley edu , manish uclink berkeley edu \( manish \) writes motorcycles allowed th 17 mile drive beach \? posted signs \? cite \? n't 's closed access road , pay get \( n't resident sticker \) , simply n't open gates 're bike ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject paint jobs uk nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 31 lisa rowlands , wed , 21 apr 1993 10 13 31 0000 wibbled anyone recommend good place reasonably priced bike paint jobs , preferably essentially london area thanks lisa rowlands alex technologies ltd cp house 97 107 uxbridge road tel 44 \( 0 \) 81 566 fax 44 \( 0 \) 81 566 london email lisa alex com w5 lisa , try pip 081 590 8045 wonderful things paint 've seen work 's good best luck nick \( well connected biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford boring paint job m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \(
pla sktb demon co uk \( paul l allen \) subject wiretapping reality today reply pla sktb demon co uk organization chaos lines 36 x newsreader archimedes begin pgp signed message article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes number court ordered wire taps pretty low law enforcement present pretty good evidence get even limited number authorizations thus overwhelming majority conversations neither tapped recorded government , happen \) pretty good reason , evidence b \) use highest priority pretty good reasons david , given proposition first first paragraph , conclusion second read thus overwhelming majority conversations neither tapped recorded legally government completely argument see requires unbelievable degree stupidity naivete part perhaps 's time say spook agency work paul begin pgp signature version 2 2 z2 end pgp signature
bd fluent dartmouth edu \( brice \) subject dogs reply heathman ncsa uiuc edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 20 25 24 gmt reply bd fluent dartmouth edu organization fluent inc , lebanon nh distribution na lines 7 heathman ncsa uiuc edu \( michael heathman \) writes professionals train guard dogs , polled , gave 1 4 chance survival tackling trained dog unarmed trained guard dog untrained may another story course 'd say 're trying sell services
blockley csu murdoch edu au \( adrian blockley \) subject programming motorola \? lines 14 nntp posting host murdoch edu au anyone successfully programmed beast using pgm circuit described `the little green handbook , pg 9 \? dan adrian blockley ! may say something profound environmental science ! one day murdoch university ! western australia , ! blockley murdoch edu au ! phone 09 360 !
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject help adding scsi drive \( coexist ide \? \) originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 44 article 1993apr22 oracle us oracle com , ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes article 1993apr22 27323 physchem ox ac uk mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) writes article 1993apr19 195301 oracle us oracle com , ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes dont think mix two types drive , unless one scsi ide cards available turn ide true \? \? \? impression people net scsi ide working together ! i'm running home ok , turned right boot bsd 386 ide drive , system scsi drive i'm using adaptec 1542b name el cheapo ide card well seems anythiing i'm forgetting \? help really appreciated , i'm lost eric ebosco us oracle com mark mark uk ac ox physchem guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
gnb baby bby com au \( gregory n bond \) subject lindbergh moon \( give 1g \) reply jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 03 56 14 gmt nntp posting host baby organization burdett , buckeridge young , melbourne , australia 1993apr21 aio jsc nasa gov kxf news cso uiuc edu lines 14 article kxf news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes voyages discovery could give examples privately funded ones \? believe 1492 \( film \) , columbus substantial private funds columbus asked merchant put money , guy said \( slightly paraphrased \) , faith , hope charity greater banking gregory bond gnb bby com au burdett buckeridge young ltd melbourne australia knox 's 386 slick fox sox , knox 's box knox 's box quick plays lots lsl 's sick ! \( apologies john iron bar mackin \)
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject 66dx2 isa , vlb xor 50dx eisa \? \? advice wanted reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 88 thu , 22 apr 1993 00 22 31 gmt ross mitchell \( rmitch irus rri uwo ca \) wrote want use \( proposed \) beast basically four things editing documents using wordperfect 5 1 \( dos \) creating graphs analyzing data using v5 0 \( dos \) editing playing images using aldus photostyler , running windows 3 1 images large , say 2k x 2k , 24bits pixel using pc xterminal , running desqview x 1 1 sun pc nfs , talking network sparcstation 's lot images data come , demanding tasks 've read , read , read pc magazines , performed benchmarks , read newsgroup , decided nice system \( price performance \) would 486dx 50 256k cache , isa , vlb , ram ati graphics ultra pro , 2 meg ram , local bus 15 monitor , 1280x1024 ni 3com etherlink iii 16bit maxtor ide hard drive however , parts n't fit ! local retailer apparently put one together , discover ati card would n't run 50mhz surprise surprise actually , reading group , i'm surprised even 50mhz local bus running choice basically system 486dx2 66 isa vlb , , 486dx 50 eisa vlb \( thus non local bus version ati card \) better , keeping mind i'm primarily interested last two tasks \? mind size images , opinion go vlb much bandwith eisa , fact utilized card \( made measures , someone else may share experience \) also , dx2 66 faster operations , run internal cache , slightly slower external memory advice 66 vlb 're quite happy ati card fast , data gets ! ! slow images photostyler moved screen , uncovered ! n't seem enough raw cpu running desqview x ! sluggish running local window manager also , many functions photostyler take long time \( even images fit entirely ram \) 's enough memory system desqview x 1 meg smartdrive n't leave much room apps photostyler page disk medium size images tried running photostyler without cache \? need paging cache \( well , might argue , paging cached \) belief \( measurements \) apps left memory manage better smartdrv exe \( sys \) performed number benchmarks ethernet transfer rates machine 120k sec ethernet sparcs sustain 600k sec network going 16 bit version smc card increases transfer rates 160k sec still slow \( especially moving large images \) thing local bus ethernet card coming \? \? make difference \? i'm hoping , leaning towards 486dx2 66 choice \( \) , reason bandwidth \( theoretical \) isa 5mb , far 0 tried isa ide hard drive \( maxtor \) got results 0 regardless isa bus speed \( 5 5 8 25mhz \) guess , card drivers combination lousy also , dx2 100 's horizon \? dx3 99 's \? dx3 150 's \? \? \? ! rumors dx3 99 \( \) likely chip come note , ibm closest technology sell whole motherboards , 'll upgrade mb information greatly appreciated view , much figures penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject cached originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 37 article 1993apr23 spartan ac brocku ca , tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) writes reading many postings concerning hard drives i'm still unclear one thing new cached hard drives cache drive separate , like controller something \? thanks anyone clear two scsi hard drives , several reasons drive read requested data disk scsi bus may busy data needs stored bus free data transmitted drive receives data written , data come bus faster drive write disk needs stored somewhere disk writing situations memory used buffer cache ! may drive read caching well tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \) guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
cbnewse cb att com \( ronald \) subject c 64 computer , disk drives , mouse software sale organization distribution chi lines 22 , finally cleaned storage room following items sale c 64 computer 2 1542 disk drives 1351 mouse cables lots software \( mostly games \) computer drives work \( hooked tv test \) except sound evidently sound chip gone geos loaded , mouse would respond , assume bad could used games , spare parts interested , would accept reasonable offers send replies ! call \( 708 \) 979 ron
helix nih gov \( carl \) subject revised technical summary clipper chip organization national institutes health lines 44 article 1993apr21 3465 guvax acc georgetown edu , denning guvax acc georgetown edu writes chip includes following components skipjack encryption algorithm f , 80 bit family key common chips n , 30 bit serial number \( length subject change \) u , 80 bit secret key unlocks messages encrypted chip see chip used , imagine embedded telephone security device \( \) suppose call someone device pushing button start secure conversation , security device negotiate 80 bit session key k device end key negotiation takes place without clipper chip general , method key exchange used diffie hellman public key distribution method session key k established , clipper chip used encrypt conversation message stream \( digitized voice \) telephone security device feeds k chip produce two values e k , encrypted message stream , e e k u n f , law enforcement field , transmitted telephone line law enforcement field thus contains session key k encrypted unit key u concatenated serial number n , encrypted family key f law enforcement field decrypted law enforcement authorized wiretap installed u used law enforcement field phone placed call , unit whose secure button pressed first , phone transmit law enforcement field \? even assuming one first two choices , fbi going get fresh n , u database every phone call , eventually keys phones used connect line monitoring , key \( assuming ever fbi n't forget key wiretap permission expired \) quite pyramid , bad , either carl helix nih gov worried every day
distribution world eugene sun bmug org organization bmug , inc subject help gcc plp ii laser printer lines 5 tech support line gcc 1 800 231 planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
olasov cs columbia edu \( benjamin olasov \) subject ftp achive usgs terrain data organization none lines 22 article 1993apr24 welchgate welch jhu edu danj welchgate welch jhu edu \( dan jacobson \) writes lot interesting stuff gopher deleted 've never heard gopher n't worry 's free net , write note 'd like information get started best luck , dan jacobson danj welchgate welch jhu edu 've heard lost intro posting came back could post \? think 's general interest ben ben olasov olasov cs columbia edu
smashman leland stanford edu \( adam samuel nash \) subject want macweek organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 6 get subscription macweek want one , n't seem able find subscription card anywhere email smashman leland stanford edu
roger de roger glenn uwaterloo ca subject good autoexec bat config sys windows 3 1 x xxmessage id uwaterloo ca x xxdate thu , 13 may 93 15 34 36 gmt organization earth observations lab x useragent nuntius v1 1 lines 34 article acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa , mongwa acsu buffalo edu writes article acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa , mongwa acsu buffalo edu writes load smartdrv sys using stacker \( applies windows \) replied \? \? \? mean , use smartdrv exe autoexec bat \? \? \? roger answered quoting windows setup txt section using stacker best performance , use smartdrive cache compressed drive need cache uncompressed drive check ! think important clear first reply gave impression use smartdrive stacker correct caching compressed drive however , understand , cache uncompressed drive thus compressed disk c , c probably drive stacker c compressed disk \( large file \) uncompressed disk attempt stack fact , win 3 1 smartdrv exe , seems smart enough automatically default stacking , b drives roger
encore com \( thanh \) subject online help motif widget \? organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host edison encore com lines 21 d3e758 bucky pnl gov \( je pelkey \) writes looking online help motif widgets \( public domain otherwise \) run sun sparc 'd especially interested help widgets integrate hypertext help , graphics , etc know gui builders like galaxy come online help widgets , need check stand alone help widgets well , seeing picked gui tool yet anybody know widgets like \? x resource , issue 6 thanh encore com
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject welcome police state usa organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 27 nntp posting host tea eng umd edu article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush say \? surrounding compound armed men throwing grenades n't provocation \? government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell 're smoking something legal us never rang doorbell even batf claimed knock search good reason batf warrant supporting made public matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
charon amdahl com \( tb \) subject mac iifx sale reply charon amdahl com \( tb \) lines 18 sale mac iifx following config 20mb 's ram 3 5 hard drive 2 1 44mb floppy drives extended keyboard mouse apple 8bit video card 2 , 500 00 best offer ! need monitor complete system thanks
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject use haldol elderly organization um anesthesiology lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxmessage id 38 86 214 141 addr arpa x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 01 51 52 gmt article mailer cc fsu edu picl account 25 , picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu writes adults change environment cause problems anesthetic agents cause confusion body cannot clear medicines body easily original poster say mother hospital answer general points elderly patients may exhibit marked difficulty coping hospital days drastic change environment often marginally coping home even young people find change unsettling though thought function say surgery hip \( common event elderly \) due good evidence change situation much important hospitals tried system hip , aiming patient back home within 24 hours admission selection effect ability discharge patients early work elderly \( almost us \) generally take care tailor choice dose drugs used individual patient even , evidence full mental recovery may take surprisingly long time return sort thing detected setting quite difficult tasks , gross change original poster noted \( haldol tm \) long acting drug plasma half life drug 35 hours \( sort slow release formulation \) used may weeks elderly sensitive number reasons without knowing hard comment mackie opinions disavow
nynexst com \( michael \) subject 66mhz standard pc wo n't run windows turbo mode keywords standard pc , general protection faults , windows workgroups reply nynexst com organization nynex science technology , inc lines 9 standard computer 486dx2 66mhz eisa tower 16mb ram , quantum hard drive , 1 2 1 44 mb floppies colorado 250mb tape drive also sound blaster pro 3com ethernet card \( \) installed machine completely stable non turbo mode turbo mode , windows workgroups crashes wo n't come windows come , get general protection faults divide zero system errors problem memory keeping speed cpu n machines \? tried reach standard computers , phones disconnected anyone know happened company \? yet another mail order horror story ! 'd prefer e mailed responses n't get read newsgroup often
carson u washington edu \( judy \) subject tickets sale organization university washington , seattle lines 28 distribution usa nntp posting host carson u washington edu brother purchased baseball tickets texas rangers vs toronto july , unable get vacation days get anyone interested purchasing following arlington stadium arlington , texas , texas rangers vs toronto thursday , july 22 friday , july 23 4 tickets , section 103 helmet night 14 4 tickets , section 305 14 want , total 112 00 please contact e mail , directly brother randy 19 lane , il 815 672 brother would eternally grateful someone purchase tickets ! thank ! j u washington edu
karl dixie com \( karl \) subject truth waco organization dixie communications public access mouth south distribution usa lines 74 dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) writes tanks collapsing interior walls ceilings putting people great risk dear , dear could come logic , jews europe 1930 's cause holocaust hitler told leave n't brought whole thing say , could come germany group instruction kind koresh aids tank invasion \( referring kind suicide pact counter assault efforts \) 's ultimately irrelevant lit fire ample opportunity leave jews europe 1930 's anyway , outsiders rarely see abuse 's secretive thing go court documents case mistrial california n't see evidence abuse therefore must taking place \? point , irrelevant case atf charge investigating child abuse one ever held wills could left time people murdered fire choices exactly choice obvious contradiction statements made f b never judged religion , actions actions judging \? refusal let government control lives \? refusal submit unconstitutional laws \? refusal behave like cowards \? heros could taken cowardly way surrendered alamo , come stayed say choice problem everyone chooses act like dog face odds point , certainly right lived quiet , religious life claimed , would raid , siege , deaths instead , chose courses action every turn least stupid , irrational first stockpile weapons second shoot federal agents third stay inside bull , fact , live quiet , religious life claimed warrant issued stockpiled weapons law many guns want yet \( except virginia \) warrant issued gun parts size half dollar certainly worth lives many people , n't think \? n't blame cop shoots kid pointed toy weapon , n't think fbi deserves blame case forget business certainly blame would trade liberty karl security deserves neither american research group , inc karl dixie com
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject opel owners \? organization university illinois urbana lines 13 matmcinn nuscc nus sg \( matthew macintyre national university senegal \) writes way , people think opel \? want one , n't want move europe buy one please make next pontiac f car course 'll wait 'till buy chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization grinchco lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns large propane tank , breached , n't think would identifiable explosion \? , bd members much reason lie gov't medical examiners found bullet wounds , stated fbi , corpses 'd one body information released would n't doubt though find tremendously chilling many people seem willing accept governments story , despite much evidence contrary evidence exists right \( least know \) various claims counter claims i'm waiting hard evidence released \? mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
visser convex com \( lance visser \) subject message mr president know happened \? nntp posting host dhostwo convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 41 cs edu bill triangle cs edu \( bill \) writes 1 thing non toxic tear gas tear gas non breathable remaining 's presence cause nausea vomiting , followed eventually death fbi know physical health people exposed \? \? potential heart problems among b 's \? \? certainly knew pregnant women plus children could believe said gassing attempt save children yesterday ca n't think much worse sort child abuse pouring tear gas building 2 ever seen tear gas canister \? \? tear gas produced burning chemical fumes produced tear gas canister warning printed side contact material result fire , many canisters throw inside building fire trap \? \? heard two things recently explaining 1 pumped gas building outside via sort pipe rather canister 2 sort tear gas using described sort material sticks things kind like powder cloud , government explainations since government stories always change , none information might true whole thing case reaction officials every step hope thoroughly investigated responsible parties held accountable highly unlikely figure going investigating better yet , texas rangers investigating probably worse fbi atf investigating
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 63 article may 14 02 11 26 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes michael siemon writes protestants love play jerome worth yes , worth \) seriously jerome merely \( \) another christian witness , taken tell us one community saints seem wish greater polarization dichotomy catholic protestant thought seems , historical perspective , valid sure , rome rejects \( significant aspects \) protestant thought vehemently protestants reject \( significant aspects \) roman thought apparently try greatest extreme rejection , either side , quite vast gulf fixed casual observers seem assume ecumenical consultations rome lutherans , well rome anglican communion \( belong \) show nearly complete convergence understanding basic theological issues sticking points tend church thus , example , go say remeber decree pope st damsus , many us regard papal necessary \( opposed political \) significance sometimes , sometimes wo n't misread think communion , least , throws books think overstress sense reformed may , must church jesus christ adopt canon unbelieving jews , drawn jamnia 90 ad , christian use septuagint seriously suggest rethink saying , could taken , anti semitic worst sense unbelieving jews , according understand christian , chosen people god , recipients pre revelation think say matter meeting interpreted recent study titled \( n't citation information hand , sorry \) produced primarily background christian \( rather specifically jewish \) scholarship suggests strongly meeting mostly resolved question , practice canon long fixed basis scrolls kept temple , thereby made hands unclean used list sacred books may drawn josephus pre sources correspond \( plus minus one book , chapter correctly \) current jewish canon throw deuterocanonicals \( , way , position books greeks accept rome \? \) \) observe issue complex simply binary judgment justice andy byler michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
keith oz plymouth edu \( thomas keith \) subject bob knepper right organization plymouth state college plymouth , nh lines 93 article 1993apr19 news stolaf edu acc admin stolaf edu \( \) writes article 1993apr19 035406 news yale edu \( austin jacobs \) writes n't guys think \? mean , c'mon ! heck women even thinking getting baseball oh , n't know maybe love game \? cause many problems look lisa olson remember reporter entered new england patriots locker room \? started crying like little girl ! people deal unfair treatment differently suppose would respect punched people , like stereotypical macho man would done \? n't think women belong man 's sport smart guys flame , know given example football cares \? still applies male sports male sports way wo n't let women involved divine providence sports decision men run men almost liberal thinking women umpires \? ummm insisting pass accredited umpire course , hiring \? jeez ! look pam postema 's woman , everybody face earth thinks 's great 's getting opportunity ump even watched games iq greater roast beef , 'd see nearly good aaa umpires besides , probably worried cracking fingernail foul tip wade boggs' bat jose 's bat listen , mr status quo know pam postema 've seen work , without question , toughest person 've ever met n't give damn , care working game 's find man take care , best job umpire bullshit comments obviously show red neck , grasp society 's nothing wrong red neck , us hicks even listen cultured music , say \? aside , n't try shit guy insulting think comes i'm , milk cows , drive trucks , yes , even like baseball screw anyone n't like oh yeah , learn difference city boy ! \( see \) wanna member bob knepper fan club \( \) either way , many complications nobody said life easy pam aware bad judged people like , ca n't look past anatomy jacobs \( bob knepper fan club member 12 ever organized baseball owner , political system women could vote \? seem feel threatened woody smileys either none
burnham markb wc novell com subject advantages slip ons x xxdate tue , 27 apr 93 09 38 18 gmt nntp posting host 130 57 72 65 organization novell inc x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d12 lines 17 article isl apple com paul thompson , thompson apple com writes sure would nice someone would start making replacements oem exhausts would cheaper louder read system called e r supposed quiet enough pass european standards apparently 's market yet makes systems supposed kind quiet also really light i'm planning getting one systems soon , post results mark mark burnham \( markb wc novell com \) ama dod alfa romeo 6 '90 ninja 750
utarlg uta edu subject intel chmos 8086 8088 design kit news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 33 kit includes following 1 \) 5 chmos clock generator driver 8086 , processors 2 \) 64k \( \) chmos uv prom 3 \) low power 64k x 4 chmos dynamic ram 4 \) 2 chmos programmable interrupt controller 5 \) chmos bus controller fro , processors 6 \) 2 8 bit chmos microprocessor 7 \) chmos programmable peripheral interface 8 \) chmos programmable interval timer 9 \) chmos dynamic ram controller chips complete manual box n't know whether still work , n't really know mainly knows use \( probably ee stuff since used belong ee student \) anyone interested , please make offer
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject news says batf indictment warrant unsealed organization stratus computer , inc lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr21 husc3 harvard edu , kim39 scws8 harvard edu \( john kim \) writes news sniper 9 outside mca l man arrested suspect disgruntled employee universal studios , division c shooting 44 cal blanks , suspect movie guys dangerous question californians guns denny trial \? practice , hope cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) subject spigot lc iii organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 18 article 1993apr15 tau ac il , tau ac il \( isaac \) writes friend mine problems running spigot lc lc iii configuration spigot lc lc iii , system 7 1 video spigot extension 1 0 would get negative experience setup somebody comp multimedia also trouble using spigot lc iii turned needed latest version \( 1 1 1 \) , fixed things lawrence d'oliveiro fone 64 7 856 2889 computer services dept fax 64 7 838 4066 university waikato electric mail ldo waikato ac nz hamilton , new zealand 37 47' 26 , 175 19' 7 e , gmt 12 00
smm uu net \( steve mansfield \) subject dogs organization uunet communications lines 71 distribution world nntp posting host uu net article acs ucalgary ca , parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes article sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes article adobe com , cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes article 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages agree 100 , chihuahua 's police military n't train use weapons easy average joe defeat barehanded may opposing thumbs , dog teeth effective named ir vision , better hearing better smell , likely faster reflexes 're motorcycle , 's paws roll blow n't even net access oh bull , ed use dogs \) many people scared shitless b \) nose vision hearing without cop partner attendance , dog much meat hands human bad attitude al training violent force oh horse puckey without cop partner attendance , less likely without use force would kill dog teeth n't much good arm shoved back animals throat held , neck k 've disabled dog 's mouth , given use arm front read paws , fact plug mouth 've given dog advantage balance strong neither leg joints easily snapped , skull easily crushed , even largest dogs ever tried snap leg crush skull dog without use hardened instruments baseball bat \? without use arms full cooperation involved , 's easy oh , wait , 've got arm shoved dogs mouth lose advice correct , dog still match trained human fight oh qualify earlier statement saying trained human sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages people trained deal dog wants get clue regards , charles within span last weeks heard elements separate threads , conjoined time , struck together form new chord within hollow echoing gourd unknown net person steve mansfield told theres miracle day try smm uunet uu net told 's new love born one died 1983 suzuki told 'll one call feel alone dod 1718 afraid told dream next world 'll find swimming lake fire dream theater part miracle
wilfred hansen cs cmu edu subject andrew view v 2 1 organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 11 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xannounce expo lcs mit edu latest issue andrew view , newsletter andrew consortium available simplest way get via ftp andrew cmu edu \( 128 2 45 40 \) directory newsletters subdirectories ascii postscript contain newsletter formats requested past , receive email copy may request placed mailing list sending request info andrew request andrew cmu edu fred hansen
tuba calpoly edu \( edge \) subject kings even series 2 shines ! ! organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 98 article abyss west sun com dvb ick \( david van beveren \) writes vzhivov superior carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) writes game 3 report deleted \( bad \) wo n't affect series , go two games , things equal wrong kings put hustle , team play consistent pounding took back calgary series tied 2 games final score 3 1 , third goal empty netter 19 54 third \( conacher \) official game report , observations stands 1 melrose made wise decision put stauber back goal robb something prove , stopping 28 29 facing fierce calgary attack numerous saves 2 kings third fourth lines rose occasion , playing rough avoiding bad penalties warren rychel scored game winner early second period \( rookie defenseman zhitnik scored first blue line late first \) 3 dave taylor awesome suffered broken nose second , checked behind boards roberts , got 5 game came back late third , ice conacher scored empty netter actually third period , return bring spark crowd , players , played awesome defense third 4 kings go guys still producing goals kurri , granato , sandstrom robitaille , total 10 points forgot gretzky guys start scoring , kings unstoppable , continue great defensive work well 5 mccreary sucks called high sticking someone already ice , sandstrom high sticking already ice missed many stick penalties , including one flame goalie jeff reese followed granato almost blue line cross checked called game , series tack penalties first almost none third ca n't nhl supply decent officiating \? 6 sitting directly across ice ron nancy reagan empty netter scored , nancy seat fists high air way go nancy ! series still close call tuesday 's game may deciding one expect king might put vernon back , even though reese two good games la reese historically good la second time lost move would good kings , since vernon sieve sure stauber get call kings stauber net tuesday hopefully provide another stellar performance earn name robb stopper stauber two lines kings wake great see , cannot depend pat conacher warren rychel offense expect sandstrom , granato gretzky might put back together line like early season would leave kurri , carson luc second paper , two lines look powerful let 's see make real believe know gretzky sandstrom , putting number people left also carson , kurri line ignited , light fire lines \( hopefully ! \) go kings ! dvb evident scoring drought getting luc , slight breakaway third \( think \) steamed bench , emotion might help break streak also , noticed blake really good chances score , fanned , shot wide injury still affecting \? e g e tuba calpoly edu
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject 66dx2 math co pro vs 50dx originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 22 article lynx unm edu , teague mdc com \( chris teague 7 \) writes 486 cpu give better performance math intensive programs , 486 66 dx2 486 50 dx \? 486dx2 66 faster using dos pc mag reviewed bunch 486dx2 66 486dx50 66 faster review last month two thanks advance , chris teague guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
hamish waikato ac nz subject need info organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 17 need find program scsi controller \( 16 bit dma scsi controller pc \( isa bus \) \) somebody point direction low level docs net \? get hold manufacturers \? actually make anyway \? docs \? tia ps n't ant bios docs , want know attack sucker ground level \( ie send scsi commands os 2 \) hamish , computer services , university waikato hamish waikato ac nz fax 64 7 computers disclaimer remember heard first ! human facts stubborn , statistics
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction lines 67 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article hsdndev harvard edu , rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article 1993apr23 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes n't like term quack applied licensed physician david questionable conduct appropriately called unethical \( opinion \) 3 using laetril treat cancer patients treatment shown ineffective dangerous \( cyanide release \) nci hmm certainly among things would refer quack therapy would tend refer practitioner prescribed laetrile \( whether licensed \) quack unethical behaviors \( ordering unneccessary tests increase fees \) would , prescribing known ineffective therapies seems one hallmarks quack david rind one responsibilities licensed physician read medical literature keep changes medical practice laetril resulted nci spending quite bit money clinical trials proved \( anyway \) laetril ineffective cancer physician continued use , better , effective , treatments available , may deserve called quack anti fungals different class big question seems reasonable use patients gi distress sinus problems could due candida blooms following use broad spectrum antibiotics \? rubenfeld , e mail , assured physicians recognize chance candida blooms occuring broad spectrum antibiotic use therefore reinnoculate patients good bacteria restore candida body believe yet standard part medical practice deals critical care patients fungal infection \( systemic \) real problem tries keep good bacteria patients mean physicians think likely found sinus mucus membranes candida women known long time suffer candida blooms vagina women lucky find physician willing treat cause give give advise use otc anti fungal creams since candida primarily ano rectal area , gi symptoms common vaginal problems broad spectrum antibiotic use problem david proof gi discomfort caused candida bloom arguement without proof , action medicine , probalby never , practiced way always use conventional wisdom good example kidney stones conventional wisdom \( clinical trails done come effective prevention \) , restricitng intake calcium oxalates best way prevent kidney stones forming clinical trials focused drugs ultrasonic blasts breakdown stone formed recent new england j medicine article , know conventional wisdom wrong , increasing calcium intake better preventing stone formation restricting calcium intake conventional wisdom animal husbandry animals need good bacteria coming antibiotic therapy makes sense livestock , n't make sense humans david \? talking dangerous treatment \( unless consider yogurt dangerous \) standard part medical practice , gordon r says , incidence gi distress vaginal yeast infections decline marty b
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 13 hey nick ! got bounce postmaster bnr ca , seems 've never heard user sort guys tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
ron cr com \( r \) subject request unsubscribe organization internet lines 11 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu please remove mailing list finally got news feed ! ron l ron collaborative research inc 617 487 ron com main street 617 891 \( fax \) waltham , 02154
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject would happen export restrictions violated \? organization mary ellen carter salvage crew reply holland cs colostate edu 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 21 53 06 gmt 469 almaden ibm com apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 28 article apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes ok , heard lot talk nsa 's infamous control encryption export itar 's question say develop great new encryption system , want sell software worldwide thought police come say algorithm threat national security permitted export point , kind trouble could get ignored itar sold program international customers anyway \? first , 's thought police , 's export police move overseas great thoughts head , write software , sell , us thought police probably ca n't much , though might want check lawyer first however , write program , sell , international arms dealer get thrown many years , especially decide 'd good example , drug dealers fanatic middle eastern terrorists buy stuff \( definitions public domain different itar purposes , 've got good enough lawyer 'll case free 've confiscated everything evidence , might win nobody wants go first , since stakes quite high \) pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
hans meyer hmmeyer silver ucs indiana edu subject kenwood speakers organization indiana university lines 7 2 kenwood ks 150 watt floor standing speakers sale less one year old brand new shape 185 hans meyer
ac dal ca subject lemieux 's getting hart jeez hope ! organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 21 article 22apr93 02956996 0062 unbvm1 csd unb ca , patrick walker f1hh unb ca writes way , canadian , play little , watched hockey night canada , \( never missed show ! \) well 's really great pat guess since 've played little thereby qualify expert especially since watch games v qualifies armchair quarterback coach potato condone violence , 'll make exception mario pat walker evidence kind expert truly stupid statement mario definately one best players play game i'm saying best ever play game , come mind question asked let 's face , returns radiation therapy around dozen games left , lafontaine scoring lead ! ! ! ! , guess got lucky speaking lafontaine , 's guy considered hart trophy well , certainly one better players league year
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject serial parallel cables organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 serial cables three output signals td , dtr , rts five inputs signals rd , dsr , dcd , cts , ri many null modem dictated software ibm bios requires asserts dtr rts waits dsr cts sending bios recieve call made , asserts dtr waits dsr become true \( times returns error dsr never becomes true \) requires cts true sending recieving communications packages bypass replace protocol key comm package could well different requirements favorite cable works many cases short rts cts end , also run rts dcd opposite end td runs rd dtr runs dsr dte 's course sg goes sg never trouble null modem even though used comm package expecting rts go cts instead dcd advantage cable also works ibm bios gordon lang
jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) subject comp graphics research \? \? organization tampere university technology lines 13 distribution inet nntp posting host cc tut fi seen articles comp graphics research long time work anymore \? seen many conference related postings comp graphics , hard believe people tried post c g research somebody got article comp graphics research , write post juhana kouhia
smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) subject welcome police state usa organization cabletron systems , inc lines 17 distribution world reply smith ctron com nntp posting host ctron com article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? starters , could gone waiting negotiating davidians n't going anywhere , supplies limited large , perhaps , limited simply fired compound without gov't tanks smashing walls , least gov't would guilty used inappropriate level force , would able use meantime continue pressure negotiate , would looked good news six months year sure hell n't look good larry smith \( smith ctron com \) , n't speak cabletron need ask \? liberty freedom whatever want , freedom whatever able
matthew phantom gatech edu \( matthew deluca \) subject boeing tsto \( words chairman boeing \) organization dorsai grey captains lines 13 nntp posting host oit gatech edu article schumach convex convex com schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) writes words , boeing seriously thinking reliable , less expensive access orbit like fool around exotic airplanes presupposes supersonic aircraft spacecraft reliable low cost unproven matthew deluca georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
europa tomcat raleigh ibm com \( welch bryan \) subject always 2000 decent \? nntp posting host tomcat raleigh ibm com organization ibm , research triangle park , north carolina lines 16 've got 2000 working \( wimpy \) presently months i'm getting 486 motherboard probably toshiba cdrom need special drivers getting work \? exist \? basically , feasible , expect getting newer , faster scsi card \? thanks , bryan bryan welch amateur radio n0sfg internet europa vnet ibm com \( best \) , bwelch scf nmsu edu everything perish save love music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer 's opinion everything
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject soc religion christian organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 23 article may 16 01 56 14 1993 6674 geneva rutgers edu , sfp lemur cit cornell edu \( sheila patterson \) wrote atheists agnostics read list n't christian intention ever becoming one earth waste time mine participating christian discussion list \? n't think draw borders around newsgroups , christians free read post entries atheist newsgroups , muslims free groups well 's individual define time schedule concerning postings problems noticed various newsgroups method telling 'i right , true theists atheists hopefully constructive dialogue groups would help concerning assumptions views cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
sean cs yale edu \( sean philip \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization yale ai mobile robotics project lines 41 distribution world reply sean cs yale edu nntp posting host fridge ai cs yale edu article news2 cis umn edu , prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes michael sells sells haverford edu writes fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , every place earth scene saga mutual hatred destruction holocaust fresh case another chapter 900 year history attacks jews europe n't make acceptable balkan history make genocide bosnian muslims acceptable guess acceptable germany also chose path aggression simultaneously put interests countries peril wonder whether us countries would risked jews persecuted hitler imperialist ambitions \( student history asking questions \) actually , record allies activities , face evidence nazis \( may rot hell \) , clearly points conclusion would done nothing camps bombed , despite ease us , place refuge allowed bare jews europe , primarily public relations , government could say something many ships refugees turned away us shores found refuge cuba south america , many others sunk return europe \( predictable consequences \) hope today collectively learned lesson , less ignore internal affairs sad reality seem case sean philip \( \) yale department computer science box 2158 yale station new , ct 06520
organization arizona state university eric davis asuacad bitnet subject help 3ds lines 11 article dundee ncr com , says 3d studio , way create , etc \? want simulate things glass lenses , bottles etc might ipas routine , sure another way render scene without glass object save image assign image glass object reflection take lot adjusting position size reflection , 's thing think
uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) subject tapped , code good distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 58 article strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article rubin dsg4 dse beckman com rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) writes would n't think asking people trust secret algorithm seems unsound maybe , 's quite common talking cryptography millions macintosh users idea 's apple 's patented roms many modems connected know business secrets n't stolen \? answer 1 trust apple think wo n't see using apple 's new signature finder feature 2 attempt , however sophicsticated , came , would destroy apple 's credibility forever analogy fails assumption government gives two credibility addition , apple 's proclaimed purpose releasing macintosh n't quite opposite january 24 , apple introduce macintosh , 'll see 1984 wo n't , like n't give bullshit analogies trust coke put mind control drugs every get us buy clipper case , representative body experts going allowed audit , 'll assurances \( maybe even president \) escrowed keys back doors may confidence \( among \) , 's lot assurance get many things routinely trust everyday life one reasons suspicious last time president wasted time comfort americans \? another reason look closely 's going david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted uni acs bu edu uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys pgp iastate edu sovereignty sign brutal past fight clinton 's wiretap chip ! df610670f2467b99 97de2b5c3749148c crypto crime ! ask !
melton sps mot com \( henry melton \) subject chromium dietary weight loss summary wife needs net wisdom organization sps lines 12 nntp posting host 222 1 248 94 wife requested poll usenet see known use chromium weight control diet seen multiple products advertising would like kind real information first impulse yuck ! metal ! zero data know \? henry melton melton sps mot com
khan0095 nova gmi edu \( mohammad razi khan \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization gmi engineering management institute , flint , mi lines 82 nntp posting host nova gmi edu jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes article curie cs yale edu ahmed shakil cs yale edu \( shakil waiz ahmed \) writes article 1sueslinna6g minerva cis yale edu , jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims yeah ! 's ! \) 've really outdone time nick n't forget davidian muslims \) islam race 's religion white , black , fijian alaskan change fact muslim legal political term defined constitutionally former yugoslavia , therefore meaning consequences entirely independent immaterial religious considerations muslims \) civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements could arguable \( bandwith flames sake , wont say \) terms secession \? , course , joking , right nick \? nobody chose fight bosnia croatia internationally recognized nations serbs attacked started well documented genocide makes outside aggressor 's simple genocide , classical example ethnic cleansing question civil war wish civil war , serbian generals allow rape fighting fair yah know war hell serbian generals 2 , 000 , 000 residents croatia b h accepted terms secession tudjman unilaterally forced upon croats muslims may right negotiated secession right grab entire territories former yugoslav republics croatia b h lines money power fear oh , btw , yugoslavia internationally recognized destroyed tudjman , , milosevic , international community led germany yugoslavia 's borders could changed , certainly croatia 's borders b h 's borders changed well let 's change canadian \) see war \( sp borders \) stated many times civil war ex yugoslavia end terms secession \( borders , etc \) croatia b h finally agreed upon serbs , croats , muslims make territorial concessions reach agreement possibly agree civil war , makes donation humanitarian aid even complex mean serbs bleeding croats raped serbian women \( point \) nick mohammad r khan khan0095 nova gmi edu july '93 , please send mail mkhan nyx cs du edu responses letter post bounce , e mail nyx account
gary andrew cmu edu subject colors x windows \( \) organization school computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 26 cwikla morrison wri com nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply cwikla morrison wri com excerpts netnews comp windows x 15 may 93 colors x windows \( john cwikla morrison wri \( 4620 \) problem need solutions applications although would love things mentioned , somebody write 'd like see scenario widget , view , whatever , describes 's colors via palette palettes shared contain descriptive information directly tied object uses palettes held server palette , , number hardware color cells color input focus particular widget , widget access colors described associated palette widgets , , get closest approximation generated union colors current palette free colors left widget specifies color imaging providing index \( pixel \) associated palette bold part hard would need done server
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 22 article 46l netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes doug holland claims tom clancy provided recipe nuclear bombs clancy says omitted certain crucial steps , know clancy knows , rather repeating 's read told unclassified domain \? tom clancy omitted key steps try prevent groups people building nuclear bomb however , asserts find key steps university library main point five minutes midnight impossible prevent proliferation nuclear weapons , since become easy acquire knowledge build one , materials nearly impossible control read article , better yet , run library dig stuff constructing nuclear weapon doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
j k wight newcastle ac uk \( jim wight \) subject axe 5 0 available organization computing laboratory , u newcastle upon tyne , uk lines 89 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xannounce expo lcs mit edu placed new release axe editor axe 5 0 tar z export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) arjuna ncl ac uk \( 128 240 150 1 \) significant change time , justification hike major version number , undo implemented default last change undone , resource provided allow user specify many , including unlimited , levels undo information kept also , undo undo supported truth rumour next version 19 \) encountered axe summary axe simple use text editor x represents significant improvement xedit also built around athena text widget features , amongst things , multiple windows multiple buffers default menu interface optional button interface , choice layout buttons user control expert use access external filters provision defining keyboard macro geometry specification resizing terms characters file selection via browser knowledge line numbers matching regular expression searching restricted unlimited undo ability change font easy entry control codes xterm like keymap feature easy runtime setting selected preferences \( resources \) brief comprehensive line help server mode cooperating client programs optional extension language using tcl optional xaw3d widget set compatability collection reusable widgets functionality axe personally built run core axe , e without tcl xaw3d options , following systems sun sparc sunos 4 1 x mit x11r5 sun sparc sunos 5 1 mit x11r5 encore 4 3 mit x11r5 dec 5000 120 ultrix 4 2 mit x11r5 hp 9000 710 hp ux 8 07 mit x11r5 mac iici au x 3 0 mit x11r5 subject level testing tested tcl xaw3d options first number ' ifdef isms fed back incorporated code possible replacement provided systems one although axe probably build r4 run time problems encountered past bothered try version r4 , put effort solving previously known problems therefore , r4 much take pot luck n't work alternative try last release , 2 1 1 , version 2 still around n't many features uses widget creation library \( wcl \) , requires old version wcl , 1 06 1 05 version 3 axe nearing completion version 2 wcl came axe 2 never got converted make use axe available anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) arjuna ncl ac uk \( 128 240 150 1 \) initially , probably due course several ftp sites check nearest using xarchie ca n't ftp , try sending email ftpmail decwrl dec com word help alone message body receive instructions ftp via email jim j k wight newcastle ac uk department computing science , university newcastle , tel 44 91 222 8238 newcastle upon tyne , ne1 7ru , united kingdom fax 44 91 222 8232
pbs org subject cure dry skin \? distribution world organization pbs public broadcasting service , alexandria , va lines 33 article morrow stanford edu , mou stanford edu \( alex mou \) writes hi , skin dry general serious part located knees skin looks like segmented segmentation actually happens beneath skin would like know cure supermarkets pharmacies , quite lot dry skins , chose \? thanks advance hints reply email preferred alex matter fact , saw dermatologist day , , asked dry skin 'd spending small fortune various creams , , dry skin treatments said needed large jar vaseline soak lukewarm tub water 10 minutes \( 10 minutes ! \) massage vaseline , trap moisture help n't tried yet , bet hard part finding time rub vaseline properly 's done right , remain greasy stick clothes try 's got cheaper spending 30 8 oz jane
david ganglion ann arbor mi us \( david hwang \) subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? organization j services lines 68 article 1993apr22 convex com tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes article 1993apr21 sequent com troy sequent com \( troy wecker \) writes valentine 1 hand tuned maximum performance radar bands coverage , course , adds labor cost turn cost unit live backyard folks make stalker radar system valentine 1 saved many , many , many times stealth revenue enhancement traps local area major brand detectors , , imho , nothing else even comes close v1 ! n't work valentine , satisfied user unit ! really want nitty gritty details , call nice folks valentine research happy explain perspective radar detection analysis methods calls free 1 800 331 seems bands available police radar month recently purchased \( within last 8 months \) bel perfect detector means , job fairly well , however , pick car magazine airport read super ka wideband superset ka wideband latest generation detectors touted covering bel new series detectors cover usual bands \( x , k , ka photo , ka wideband \) well new super ka wideband comes point diminishing returns chasing increased pc computing power faster faster cpus \( average home consumer , least \) , seems concern radar detectors make sense upgrade 8 months purchasing new detector \? valentine upgrading equipment \? , might worth upgrade valentine market valentine purchased bel 3 4 month waiting time much since inadequate protection passport life much simpler x k band escort best equipment market need continuously shop new detector hope flood new radar bands ceases new super wideband business 0 0 \( \) allen tobias technical email \( \) \( \) convex computer corp marketing tobias convex com \( \) \( \) 3000 parkway \( \) \( \) richardson , tx \( \) one cares much know know much care ! david w hwang , david ganglion ann arbor mi us
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject maxima chain wax wheelies nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 13 ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) writes would like nominate maxima chain wax another official \( tm \) dod product choice official dod products choice list \? would appropriate party please post erc p faq , keep got plenty maybe 'll go , sure
lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject new study gay percentage organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 52 article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article c5k5lc cyf murdoch acc virginia edu , lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower 10 percent figure part conventional wisdom since published kinsey report 1 \) \? homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation put shut evidence \? show study indicating link liking grown ups sex liking children saying 30 molested children male shows nothing since tells nothing molesters preference adults \( \) also lie 10 keep politicians scared politicians plenty scared one week 1 90 2 \) interesting see reaction 2 5million queers gather washington dc 6million us event unprecidented history many people marching n't homosexuals , members leftist agenda i'm sure non queers , vast majority queer join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
wvnvms wvnet edu subject wanted airline certificate voucher ! ! ! organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines 12 willing pay reasonable amount airline certificate voucher , looking 1 \) certificate voucher valid round trip ticket \( coast coast anywhere us \) 2 \) name please reply e mail phone \( 304 \) 292
organization university maine system ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu subject lame , dumb useless question lines 10 depends , judgment umpire batter made attempt avoid getting hit , batter awarded first base balls umpire rules try get way , 's awarded first hit ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine io20456 maine maine edu
mace cc purdue edu \( young jong \) subject 24bit lcii \? keywords third party adapter organization purdue university distribution usa lines 7 third party video ram adapter 24 bit color lcii \? heard apple selling 160 please e mail thanks young mace cc purdue edu
jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu subject disks copy protected lines 21 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu organization university louisville article ms uky edu , msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) writes article 1r76sbinnkap flop engr orst edu noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) writes hate hard copy manuals , would rather docs online want copy program , usually faster convenient sifting old book ca n't find mho , prefer hardcopy books three four open spread across bed \( next desk dorm \) reference using program full screen windows help things come closest good line documentation 've seen , generally n't detailed enough would probably take large amount space \( even compressed \) premium system fact , manuals primary reason bought borland 's c compiler instead using one lab licensed \( lab , course \) 've got shelf full books help i'm stuck \) \) also much easier corrections hard copy manual jeff white jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu
curry sctc com \( russ curry \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization sctc distribution na lines 30 dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately \( agree ! \) understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children think problem mrs reno strikes \( watching nightline last night \) person incapable understanding dealing great number things fact bill hillary clear decks dream package free stuff american people \( subjects \) could n't wild card floating around robert fifth reich reich plan glorious peoples democracy would n't fit vision progressively working , think working handful peasant children die glorious vision year child america , small price pay let eat cake
cs cmu edu \( brian noble \) subject x server scanline padding question nntp posting host bach coda cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 42 almost done porting xfree86 1 2 new piece display hardware , run snag think may somewhat commonplace , i'm sending net display non interlaced , memory mapped , 1 bit display server 's view world , \( obtained via xwd xwud \) , seems exactly however , displayed version framebuffer gives impression server using long bit experimentation , seems problem server padding line word , scanline size buffer 90 bytes , n't exactly four changing following defines mit server include h define bitmap scanline pad 32 define bitmap pad 5 define bytes per scanline pad 2 define bitmap scanline pad 16 define bitmap pad 4 define bytes per scanline pad 2 exactly right solution tell server either \( \) n't pad scan lines \( 'cause server built run particular display \) , pad byte \? i'm using customized version 2 , mach 3 0 thanks brian
solaria mil wi us \( david dexter \) subject data needed organization solaria public access unix milwaukee , wi lines 11 hi could someone please send enough info talk \? 's kind peripheral chip made believe help would greatly appreciated ! thanks advance dave solaria mil wi us technology thru broken parts
rexlex fnnews fnal gov subject faq essay homosexuality organization fnal lines 82 article may 14 02 10 20 1993 athos rutgers edu hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) writes think must careful totally throw leviticus law reflection god 's character true holy nature , say god endorses homosexuality run problem though addressed series articles i'm posting , ca n't wait really blew socks read tim 1 3 11 verses 3 8 speaks perverted teachings mosaic law vv 9 10 , , order , 5th thru 9th commandments midst listing homosexuals , everything else , seen god 's absolute n't believe absolutes , nothing jehovah ot , paul reveals messiah nt lord christ jesus read jehovah 's anointed savior , see emphasis moral separation pagan gentiles lev 18 20 cor 6 9 10 , one notation \( drunkards \) found lev 18 20 paul naive use lxx knew full well using law god given ot , application nt 've said , law fulfilled , done away questions trying deal encountered homosexuality contexts people would probably agree wrong never faced experience christians try act straight fail , never faced christians trying define christian homosexuality , fits general christian ideals fidelity seeing sexuality mirror relationship god man unfair take paul 's judgement homosexuality among idolaters use make judgements questions understanding thoroughly article posted please refer one reasons us accept common argument paul probably face problems better probably adequate defense statement paul 's culture n't understanding homosexuality read article uses facts claim question counsel homosexual christians entirely theological issue , also pastoral one n't see come conclusion think , worked homosexual community means working aids patients pastoral merely practical application theological truth however working thru issue homosexuality need love understanding friend cheating wife friend lives girlfriend , yet continue witness , choice made , remorse , feel paul 's pastoral care , presented church , come bear significance one active rebellion placed outside church believer , non believer , one leaves gods hand member youth group constantly little girls , would n't hesitate deal matter quickly , part , present political correctness issue pederasty accepted present , accept homosexuality latter politically correct , former least yet morals decay guess would follow liberal application political realm economics liberals want tax rich federal , yet states , try get businesses settle , give tax incentives comes moral code , use cultural thing , politically correct moment rex might want look 1 tim 1 10 really 5th 9th commandments , seem missing thieves , homosexuals would fit adultery course possible narrower meaning homosexuality general , think 's thesis objection per se idea author 1 tim might quoted 10 commandments , 5 9 , minus one plus things , begins look bit marginal clh
pbhandar tsegw tse com \( parminder bhandari \) subject new integra '94 \? organization toronto stock exchange distribution rec lines 10 've heard rumours new integra released '94 anybody info \? local sales people know much throw parms \( still sig \)
steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) subject freedom u nntp posting host surya cs ucla edu organization ucla , computer science department lines 17 ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes virginia edu true founding father , thomas jefferson author bill rights , allowing freedom speach sorry guys israel hard time concept jefferson author bill rights history books n't , jefferson might group think enumerating rights necessary cheers , steve steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 steven cs ucla edu los angeles , ca 90024 1596
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject 's shit \? \( amusing atheists \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 15 reply jimh carson u washington edu \( james hogan \) , 's someone shit latest know atheists arrival shows \? ignore bills , , \? try engage reasonable discourse \? flame among entertaining threads , war folks like bobby grown old time take view entertainment longer entertaining , kill file go david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
anthony anthony medicine adelaide edu au subject lw select 310 n't work box ! organization medical faculty , adelaide university lines 22 distribution world nntp posting host medicine adelaide edu au x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id medicine adelaide edu au x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 02 25 28 gmt hello net people , laserwriter select 310 \( standard 1 5mb ram \) connected lc iii \( 4 80 \) print driver cannot find adobe type 1 fonts truetype fonts system connections printer driver installation correct 310 printer still refuses find fonts work correctly box imho , apple product working box shameful event installer disks printer install lw select 310 driver v 1 0 , v 7 1 backgrounder v 3 1 \( ! \) system 7 1 lc iii anyone else similar experiences printer configuration , really need help one thanks , anthony anthony medicine adelaide edu au
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject college atheists organization macalester college lines 60 article 1993apr22 nuscc nus sg , cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) writes nm0w andrew cmu edu \( nanci ann miller \) writes nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes read article poll done students ivy league schools reported third students atheists lot higher among general population wonder reasons discrepancy \? intelligent \? younger \? wave future \? figure general population \? last heard , 25 americans believe reincarnation somebody quote stat \? n't stat , , unfortunately , read generally smoking belief supernatural \( garbage \) rise would guess probably something ease ideas thoughts communicated college campus , world theists forced contend listen atheists theists religions bound change beliefs four years nowhere run \) funny country , works way round univ life v v people \( remember , 're asian population \) like prey people nowhere run interesting thing principle sort though philosophical ideas generally tried tested mostly college years whether idea christian atheist n't always matter 'd like say 's atheists intelligent \) unenlightened one tan chade meng wise man tells wife understands singapore cmtan iss nus sg fool tries prove regards , adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws understand one another \? fear beyond comprehension gandalf
csm jhunix hcf jhu edu \( brian c \) subject jack morris organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 17 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu anyone happen see peter gammons espn last night \? addressed exact issue , dismissed rather quickly according gammons , advanced scouts reporting morris' fastball slider still zip problems year due sudden inability keep ball hidden release guzman gone similar stretches cleared succinctly little work pitching coach gammons looks see morris back top form within month , hand , still doubts morris' era last year rather high pitcher 20 games showing series surprising although i'm convinced 's washed , doubts whether ever regain form twins '91 brian
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject oriented bounding box generation \? summary want bounding box generator keywords bounding box oriented 3d organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 12 i'm looking code generate minimum volume oriented bounding box arbitrary anyone know code \? \? i'm converting objects one modelling system another , destination system object oriented want represent object coordinate system , bounding box , objects translated rotated appropriately , representation used destination system john nagle
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject sumatripton \( spelling \? \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 21 reply roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca u recently heard testing new migraine drug called sumatripton \( idea actual spelling \) supposedly utilizes chemical trips neuro transmitters mother regular migraines nothing seems help anyone know anything new drug \? testing anywhere near approval \? seem working \? got back american academy neurology annual meeting , consensus sumatriptan \( imitrex \) advantages dhe 45 nasal spray , much less expensive , fewer side effects , effective , works quickly \( 5 10 minutes vs 30 \) besides , wants give shot \( sumatriptan \) nasal spray works \? dhe nasal spray widely available yet mail ordered one pharmacies country neurologists know know order david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
cmh eng cam ac uk \( c hicks \) subject 8x oversampling cd player nntp posting host club eng cam ac uk organization cam eng keywords oversampling , cd , digitized audio lines 82 mcmahan netcom com \( dave mc mahan \) writes previous article , kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) writes article dd0 netcom com hcb netcom com \( h c bowman \) writes bought new portable cd player office , notice proudly proclaims 8 times oversampling box think understand oversampling \( rate discrete samples exceeds highest frequency component interest factor \) , n't understand 8 times business seems bought first cd player \( really 10 years ago \? ! \) , specs said 4 times could someone please tell whether i'm getting senile \? i'm , good player take samples higher rate \? data ever read \( barring , course \) , eventually gets turned 44 1 khz , 16 bit , two channel data oversampling takes two discrete data points , interpolates n 1 points n times oversampling asked , people said interpolation simply linear interpolation , significantly complicated quite correct understanding filtering interpolation , would distort frequency content signal interpolate 's linear interpolation though correct frequency content altered \( specifically , spectrum preserved , every nth image spectrum \( n 1 \) n image spectra removed , n oversampling rate \) listening generally , players run samples thru pass filter network done ecg waveforms person 's ideally filter gain 1 , gain 0 new frequency practice finite transition band required , also certain amount pass band ripple stop band leakage high order \( eg 200 taps \) digital filter , good approximation easily achieved bit deleted observations interpolation filter work case care , filtering method uses fir \( finite impulse response \) filter 'd guess cd makers use kind method anybody know real answer \? 'd say use tapped delay line resistor op amp weighting accomplish filtering strikes cost effective method volume production runs , actually use digital fir like , built hardware , custom vlsi chips \( mainly \) economic reasons anyway , , purpose oversampling move effective sampling rate n times 44 1 khz , order use higher frequency filters quality filter , higher oversampling lets build cheaper filters , whereas price filter , higher lets build better filters , assuming quality components cd player remained , oversampling allow manufacturer produce slightly better sound due anti alias filtering actually , think reason say would guess acutally cheaper filter signal use components give filter roll n't sharp 's bad charge something \( think \) actually less costly build guess answer somewhere two interesting \( \? \) aside , may aware scheme used pioneer , called \( pioneer , least \) link n't heard one players , reading advertising blurb , couple pseudo technical articles deduced build lousy digital oversampling filter , let load first image \( ie \) spectrum talking bob stuart \( stuart , aka meridian \) confirmed suspicion said sounded awful , would , would n't christopher christopher hicks paradise linear gaussian world cmh uk ac cam eng \( also reported taste hot sweaty \)
tittle netcom com \( cindy tittle moore \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore reply tittle netcom com \( cindy tittle moore \) organization disorganized orange county , ca lines 34 eliza \( elisabeth bull \) writes mark woodruff \( cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet \) wrote morning 4 working research paper , reboot hung dos program \( disk \) within windows 3 1 machine finished rebooting , found windows directory two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted \( stuff deleted \) sounds like happened hd month ago hd stacked stacker v 2 0 \( run dos5 \) suddenly everything hung , hd got corrupted \( directories changed unreadable files names \) words probably doubledisk part dos6 troublesome use stacker v 3 0 , far trouble pretty much confirms original impression reading documentation dos 6 double space sounds nice , primary disk ! ! 'll probably wind making disk partition , using archive probably would useful floppy disks well c \? uh , uh particularly disliked note said something like double space irreversible cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet uci bitnet uucp ! ucbvax ! ! tittle usnail po box , irvine ca ,
harvard edu \( evan smyth \) subject mask left button \? article hsdndev reply harvard edu distribution world organization harvard university , cambridge , lines 21 nntp posting host harvard edu one way mask left button check contents xevent send event handling function \( case , show mouse position function xevent arrive function xevent p event , value p event button button pressed , switch value order distinguish case clear p event xevent button int way , mentioned anyone help would grateful figure distinguish motions button pressed motion occurring essence would like seperate event handler motion button unfortunately , xevent sent seem contain value pressed button ideas , eps
queloz bernina ethz ch \( ronald queloz \) subject integration keyboard sco odt 2 0 organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch lines 13 sco odt allows adapt x server non standard \( \) keyboard using configuration compiler sco provides configuration files usr lib x11 , e g siemens question anywhere configuration file keyboard available \? especially interested using hp specific keys , menu thanks ron
magnus acs ohio state edu \( eric w \) subject exactly ibm 486slc processor \? nntp posting host photon magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 11 could someone please tell 486slc processors ibm putting 700 's pc 's real 486 math coprocessor really kludge called 486 \? thanks , eric eric w der war ohio state university das nicht magnus acs ohio state edu peter schilling 120 grad 1983
higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) subject revival san marco \? \( commercial space news 22 \) organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines 31 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov article ofa123 fidonet org , wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org writes commercial space news space technology investor number 22 might point key judging feasibility commercial launch site include identified key customer provide core usage sufficient recover setup costs \? market advantage using site \? existing infrastructure used modified site \? financing found low enough cost support investment \? commercial launch site ventures including , poker flat , cape york , white sands , alabama shore platform , hawaii , vandenberg also judged criteria opinion , ventures flying hope speculation , sound financial grounds reminds fuzzy brain recalls somebody thinking san marco launch platform coast , copernicus satellite launched around 1972 true , imagining \? possibly 's connected one italian programs revive scout new version old platform must getting pretty rusty , ai n't lot infrastructure go bill higgins , beam jockey 'll see fermi national accelerator laboratory white sands june bitnet higgins fnal bitnet bring view graphs , internet higgins fnal fnal gov 'll bring span hepnet 43011 higgins col pete worden dc x
chuck gatech edu \( chuck \) subject warning \( please read \) organization lines 5 distribution usa nntp posting host gatech edu enough , already let 's take discussion newsgroup 's appropriate us tired would like get back old cars , imho chuck \( chuck gatech edu \)
eldred jpl nasa gov \( dan eldred \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? nntp posting host organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 12 article snoopy cis ufl edu ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? someone taped wires carpet , time move n't know sure work , might try mek \( methyl ethyl keytone \? \) worked getting stickum left shelf paper , available paint stores use carbon gas mask lots ventilation stuff really stinks ! dan
cosy ac \( gerhard \) subject nntp posting host organization university austria x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 21 weeks ago saw ad german magazine c't called interface pc 's parallel port video recorder backing data videotape company \( \? \) claims store 7 gb 300 minutes tape costs dm 250 \( usd 200 , think \) question anybody use product , yes , many bytes really fit 300 minutes tape \( 7 gb sounds quite unbelievable \) however , comments interface appreciated please mail replies directly , sum neccesary thanks advance gerhard \( cosy ac \)
ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov subject schatzki ring pvc 's reply ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov organization nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt , md usa lines 49 anybody provide advice concerning following two health problems first , recently diagnosed \( using series \) schatzki ring small sliding hernia understand , hernia relatively minor problem , though occasionally nasty probably related schatzki ring , hand , causing swallowing difficulty particular , i'm careful eating slowly , thoroughly chewing food , food occasionally gets stuck reaching stomach results period painful spasms food attempts pass obstruction fortunately , food always managed pass , annoying , causes frequent discomfort doctor wants ring using following procedure use examine stomach inflammation , cut ring passing kind balloon something thru would like know anyone \( similar \) procedure done , painful , successful , etc also , anyone comment safety , , success rate procedure \? become common procedure \? kind leery invasive sounding procedure performed \( currently \) non threatening condition , especially considering possible side effects \( bleeding , , reaction anesthesia \) second issue past 3 4 years large number extra heartbeats particular , past month dramatic increase monitor recently showed 50 pvc 's 24 hrs , along pac 's \( many days , far , however five ten per hour \) isolated , indicated number normal certainly n't feel normal past also couple episodes extended runs beats , one lasted long enough cause severe light relatively young \( 30 ish \) , thin good health \( recent normal \) , smoke , use drugs caffeine , etc i'm willing accept extra beats normal , n't want ignore might kind warning symptom number pvc 's seems increase throughout day , exercise \( something simple climbing stairs \) also , get sitting lying , tend get couple extra beats could possibly related problems \? seemed develop time thanks help advice !
mg hart \( michael golan \) subject clipper serial numbers need 2nd court order \? originator news nimaster nntp posting host hart princeton edu organization princeton university lines 34 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes two safeguards 1 fbi could asked produce law enforcement block escrow agencies , associate particular court order exactly would show , \? ! law enforcement block easy create , given government key serial number 2 thing comes trial defense attorneys probe issue closely different proving speaker legal wiretap person court order covered comes trail wiretap ya , harass people result , learn things n't learned , etc \? putting another way , question different pre clipper question 's prevent fbi getting court order tap al capone using tap jonathan instead \? whole point escrow system prevent fbi making illegal wiretaps fbi holds keys 's \? need escrow system \? unless 3rd party \( judge \) verifies requested serial number right , fbi get key like anytime , escrow system useless michael golan mg cs edu
zen holonet net \( dick \) subject looking planet maps keywords maps nntp posting host zen holonet net organization holonet national internet access system 510 704 1058 modem lines 24 jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes drake edu \( tim spock larson \) writes get maps mars , venus , terrestrial bodies \? still use old national geographic maps apollo viking eras people ask would us geological survey maps everything unfortunately , address office middle left us coast road menlo park , ca \( 415 \) 329 josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal dick editor , independent raid report \( 510 \) 938
bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 32 cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) flat engine \? \? \? flat 180 deg v opposed usually , also equals boxer , however , think term traditionally reserved 8 's 12 's \( firing order matters \) talked r many months back ca n't remember consensus examples ferrari 's 512tr flat 12 boxer porsche 's 911 flat 6 subaru 's impreza flat 4 regards , brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu engineer , choose k department engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus , oh
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 6 nntp posting host access digex net nonsense ! n't asked larry trust nixon keys , whether would well , explains government real need spy people already love big brother 's people inclined talk back need watched
gt7187c prism gatech edu \( thomas oates \) subject ms dos 6 0 sale organization georgia institute technology lines 17 sale ms dos 6 0 upgrade open unregistered 3 5 disks 40 best offer please mail replies gt7187c prism gatech edu thomas oates atlanta braves gt7187c prism gatech edu 1992 national league champions prodigy ca n't stop chop ! ! ! georgia institute technology
alan lancaster nsc com \( hepburn \) subject resound hearing aids \( others \) organization national semiconductor corporation lines 50 article rhaller rhaller cc uoregon edu , rhaller ns uoregon edu \( rich haller \) writes fairly severe high frequency hearing loss recent rough test showed gently loss 10 falls cliff 70 type loss difficult fit currently using old siemens behind ear aids keep roughly functional , leave lot desired recently opportunity test widex q8 behind ear aids several weeks four independent programs intended customized different hearing situations found definite improvement current aids go ahead another local outfit advertised free trial another programmable system called resound unfortunately able try resound aids office 30 minutes could n't compare widex nevertheless , appear superior impressed able read theory behind give separate posting also carry widex aids one patient \( presumably wealthy \) decided go ahead get resound even though purchased widex 6 months ago problem resound aids twice expensive widex programmable aids could take trip europe difference ! lover bargains hating spend money , hard time persuading go would appreciate opinions hearing aids projections might see improvements technology n't quite expensive hearing curve sounds lot like mine \( thanks , uncle sam ! \) 've wearing miracle ear canal aids 5 months find acceptable molded shape ear canal , tuned hearing curve comfortable wear almost invisible , 're worried \( although 're currently wearing behind ear models , 's issue \) cost paid 1200 mine , miracle ear counter sears 've heard substantial discount senior citizens , n't researched , i'm senior citizen , yet ! give try might pleasantly surprised ! alan hepburn man n't know knows national semiconductor knows n't know santa clara , ca alan nsc com thomas
mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) subject chaining ide drives originator mark joule pcl organization physical chemistry laboratory , south parks road , oxford ox1 3qz lines 27 article badry , badry cs ualberta ca \( badry jason theodore \) writes hi trying set conner quantum 80at drive conner set master , quantum set slave \( n't work way around \) able access drives boot floppy , drives boot running msdos 6 , conner partitioned primary dos , formatted system files tried different types setups , even changed ide controller cards boot floppy , everything works great \( except booting part \) \) system n't report error message anything , hangs anyone suggestions , somebody else run similar problem \? thinking might update bios one drives \( possible \? \) suggestions answers would greatly appreciated please reply jason badry badry cs ualberta ca make sure hard disk want boot set active \( using fdisk program comes dos \) mark mark uk ac ox physchem
ed wente llnl gov \( ed suranyi \) subject asimov stamp organization uc davis dept applied science llnl lines 18 nntp posting host wente llnl gov article dcs ed ac uk pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) writes quoting schnitzi eustis cs ucf edu \( mark schnitzius \) article schnitzi eustis i'm sure religious types would get due asimov 's atheism someone confirm \? someone told asimov converted christianity point , something anyone good quotes \? \? absolutely way asimov lifelong atheist , said many times , right death judging many stories told life , felt culturally closest judaism , makes sense born jewish ed ed wente llnl gov
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject real source trouble us health care system organization acme products lines 31 cancel private health insurance \? government care covers 20 population consumes 42 spending health care \? ! national health expenditures 1960 1990 \( includes puerto rico areas \) year health services supplies \( billions \) private public 1960 19 8 5 7 \( 22 total \) 1970 44 1 24 9 \( 56 total \) 1980 140 7 98 1 \( 41 total \) 1990 374 8 268 6 \( 42 total \) source american almanac , page 97 1992 3 edition understand 12 2 gnp going waste figures , private insurance spending 58 money cover 4 times many people go figure brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
main lambda msfc nasa gov \( john main \) subject exist \? summary need od interface keywords x od organization nasa msfc lines 13 hello , wondering anyone knew interface od \( octal dump \) , assume would called actually , viewer core file looked export \( mit \) index contrib , n't find anything relevant thanks , hate winter main superman msfc nasa gov
oracle com subject kenwood audiophile cassette tape deck 4sale organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca lines 50 nntp posting host us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle kenwood audiophile cassette tape deck asking 199 00 obo shipping , \( original price paid 450 00 \) , excellent condition , well maintained , rarely used model kx 900 kenwood audiophile series \( kenwood stereo component \) programmable playback memory system \( used program playback order selection program stored ram \( random access memory \) system digital display song played \) counter memory index \( mode selected , count tape counter stored memory function useful necessary stop restart tape fast forward rewind search mode \( searching selection , skipping selection repeating selection touch \) time stand switch \( used along audio timer unattended timer recording timer playback performed \) dolby nr filter bias adjustment \( used obtain optimum bias matches type type played \) tape selector switch \( , , normal , metal \) rec mute key \( recording , press key delete undesired portions programs announcements commercials key pressed , tape runs forwards 5 seconds make section , pause function automatically stops tape restart recording , press pause key \) peak program meters rec level controls phone jack mic jacks input selector switch specs type front loading stereo cassette deck w dolby nr system track system 4 track , 2 channel stereo mono , recording playback heads record playback head x 1 \( amorphous alloy \) erase head x 1 \( double gap ferrite \) motor 2 motors frequency response tape 20 hz 17 , 000 hz \( 25 hz 16 , 000 3 db \) tape 20 hz 18 , 000 hz \( 25 hz 17 , 000 3 db \) tape 20 hz 18 , 000 hz \( 25 hz 17 , 000 3 db \) metal tape 20 hz 19 , 000 hz \( 25 hz 18 , 000 3 db \) signal noise ratio dolby nr 68 db \( metal tape \) dolby nr 58 db \( metal tape \) harmonic distortion less 0 8 wow 0 04 \( w r \) dimensions w 440 mm h 123 mm
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject secret source announcement organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 19 distribution world reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( james r ebright \) writes \( assume time guys sat around office thumbs ass n't much stuff coming columbus \) compuserve columbus , oh corporate headquarters several major insurance companies , largest private r company world \( memorial institute \) , \( defense construction supply center \) , ohio state university \( one three largest us universities \) , \( online college library center \) , 'd amazed , actually columbus looks like cow town amanda walker intercon systems corporation
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject new encryption algorithm keywords nea organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 36 artmel well sf ca us \( arthur melnick \) writes ever since craig posted piece new encryption sci crypt discussion company , secured communications technologies , inc , encryption algorithm , nea classic comment new encryption algorithms comes friedman new cypher worth considering unless comes someone already broken hard one historically , friedman right 's really hard develop good cypher ibm 's lucifer , precursor des , turns fatally flawed des like systems des seem vulnerable differential cryptanalysis first two tries public key encryption \( remember \? \) broken machine era broken eventually attempts computer era home brew encryption disappointing classic survey data insecurity packages cryptologia contains analyses breaking techniques popular security packages late 1980s new , proprietary algorithm \? way us permitting general export thing , weak 's current regulations work currently 's willingness allow systems short keys \( 32 bits appears problem 56 bits des many \) weak algorithms \( think word perfect qualifies rule \) exported ca n't believe guys technique pto state department 's arms control division without finding john nagle p , i'm thrilled clipper either , 's different issue
oz plymouth edu \( 2 \) subject xwd color reply oz plymouth edu \( 2 \) organization plymouth state college lines 6 anyone able get xwd dump anything black white \? text black get window borders tried xy option n't know still effect help matter would greatly appreciated
howarth sbctri sbc com \( david howarth \) subject winnipeg vs vancouver organization technology resources lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host mac howarth sbc com article 205 unixhub slac stanford edu , grogers ravel slac stanford edu \( greg rogers \) wrote feel good chance make smythe , 50 50 shot detroit \( ca n't see losing st louis \) gee , lost st louis twice year maybe eyes checked 8 \) go canucks greg go blues rodney team get respect except chicago david howarth howarth sbctri sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory 1010 pine , rm 635 st louis , mo
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject mlb nba \? reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 25 mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article 93109 vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes article netcom com , mss netcom com \( mark singer \) says 1 \) would owners decrease ticket prices obviously get lots people pay price 're asking \? n't think obvious lots people willing pay price i'm sure someone net land facts trends attendance regarding percentage capacity sold even trends relatively flat , consider happening team team basis attendance 1992 3 time record 1991 people terms , attendance 310 , 000 1991 1992 two franchises , dodgers mets , 1 , 100 , 000 1991 1992 either entirely awful , mlb would set another attendance record 1992 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com fortran , infantile disorder , nearly 20 years old , hopelessly inadequate whatever computer application mind today clumsy , risky , expensive use , selected writings computing
howdy wustl edu \( larry roger \) subject x amiga 4000 nntp posting host howdy organization washington u physics dept lines 7 hi , couple articles posted group day subject heading unfortunately , expired could read could really use xterm like thing amiga 4000 could give information thanks , larry r
brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) subject viewing postscript files x windows reply brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) organization vidiot 's hangout lines 30 article gordons mon sps mot com gordons mon sps mot com \( gordon sasamori \) writes 604 ftms uucp brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) writes ow 3 0 , definition broken relative pageview requires dsc compliant postscript files , order stop page breaks n't consider broken say program puts postscript file n't dsc compliant broken well may true however , man page pageview ow 2 0 mention dsc compliance event , point try display ps files using pageview find 's practical tool true man page pageview say files need dsc compliant fault left hand knowing right hand sun informed sun employee pageview program require dsc compliant postscript possibility going changed file n't dsc compliant would stop showpage believe method would preclude able go backwards forwards file , e , could go forward next showpage n't ow3 0 pageview , maybe solaris 2 x version ow \( ow 3 1 \? \) event , find pageview extremely useful since postscript produce dsc compliant , n't problems harvard ucbvax ! uwvax ! astroatc ! ftms ! brown uu2 psi com ! ftms ! brown rutgers internet brown wi extrel com ftms ! brown astroatc uucp cs wisc edu
vms huji ac il subject switzerland distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines 11 happen swiss team \? last year reached semi final 3 matches points even goals ! ! 0 1 italy seems lost hope overrun 0 6 russian team seems work hard relegated b level anybody know wc qualification olympic games '94 teams already qualified daniel
slinky ims \( sam \) subject , kept \? keywords reply cs nyu edu organization sun microsystems lines 8 i'm told available internet wanted know thanks advance cs nyu edu
spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject cgm files organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 32 nntp posting host pitstop ucsd edu article meyer meyer \( meyer \) writes book 've found cgm format , cgm b arnold p r springer verlag , isbn 3 540 5 's best book 've read though well , standards document faq 12 \) order standards documents american national standards institute sells ansi standards , also iso \( international \) standards sales office 1 212 642 4900 , mailing address 1430 broadway , ny ny helps complete name number useful numbers know cgm \( computer graphics metafile \) iso 4 \( 1987 \) gks \( graphical kernel system \) ansi x3 124 1985 want viewer , try downloading ralcgm unix hensa ac uk , misc unix ralcgm ralcgm tar z might also want look folks pittsburgh supercomputer center fish around psc edu pretty nifty spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 naked lunch natural us , eat reality much lettuce n't hide madness allen
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 64 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , \( \) says freed om religion absolutely nothing building small arsenal grooming 10 year old children wife 'll come soon finish manuscript seven seals oh , ok , david interesting janet reno publically announced need steal wonder get gasoline concession agree koresh much victim perpetrator grew inside cult , engaged power struggle supporters helped inflate ego yup kill bastard ! move fuck helicoptor thermal imaging compound ah , yes illegal helicopter , non existent pcp lab remember well , even media \( y'all \) tell n't call winston afternoon detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously cs canisters specially modified abrams ahhh , yes non existent canisters call winston stuff chance starting fire kerosene lamps \? maybe one , three fires way koresh n't talking ass expected happen , different reasons fbi habit burning people fortified areas maybe wanted look like murder 50 days think coming whole time n't even put children buried bus underground bunker cs seige put tower die fuck big brother paranoid freaks good thing come one less group attract members society yup good dead yeah ! maybe janet , like 's promis , er , warned us like told y'all would seriously consider following get passport order consider overseas options savings
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject cults vs religions \? organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 10 mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes media , religion cult relative connotations government terrorist group yes , form charley anarchist \? , true words spoken jest mathew
rhaller ns uoregon edu \( rich haller \) subject resound hearing aids \( others \) organization university oregon lines 31 distribution world nntp posting host rhaller cc uoregon edu fairly severe high frequency hearing loss recent rough test showed gently loss 10 falls cliff 70 type loss difficult fit currently using old siemens behind ear aids keep roughly functional , leave lot desired recently opportunity test widex q8 behind ear aids several weeks four independent programs intended customized different hearing situations found definite improvement current aids go ahead another local outfit advertised free trial another programmable system called resound unfortunately able try resound aids office 30 minutes could n't compare widex nevertheless , appear superior impressed able read theory behind give separate posting also carry widex aids one patient \( presumably wealthy \) decided go ahead get resound even though purchased widex 6 months ago problem resound aids twice expensive widex programmable aids could take trip europe difference ! lover bargains hating spend money , hard time persuading go would appreciate opinions hearing aids projections might see improvements technology n't quite expensive rich haller rhaller ns uoregon edu university oregon , eugene , , usa
phil pic ucla edu \( philippe goodman \) subject mac oriented bbss organization ucla mathematics , pic division lines 21 article 1993apr22 adrenaline com , hyerstay adrenaline com \( jason hyerstay \) wrote i'm also interested mac based bbs , chicago would greatly appreciate someone could post list bbss la area preferably \( 818 \) also \( 213 \) thanks dan sure thing firstclass systems area codes online burbank , ca \( 818 \) 840 drawing board heights , ca \( 818 \) 965 bps hollywood , ca \( 213 \) 874 1919 valley mug pasadena , ca \( 818 \) 790 5426 n't forget \( los angeles macintosh group \) bbs ! 's bbs largest mac user group country bmug multi platform number \( 310 \) 559 macs \( 559 \)
organization penn state university guf psuvm psu edu subject tandy word processor sale lines 29 tandy wordprocessor sale \( due 128k due ram disk \) , word processing program , 200 , 000 word spell checker , thesaurus , 1 thin weighs 3 lbs takes 4 aa batteries \( alkaline ni cad \) uses ac adapter \( \) full size qwerty keyboard 80 character 8 line lcd screen also telcom program allows transfers files ibmpc null modem cable shareware transfer program \( also included \) 9 pin serial port , parallel printer port , tape recorder file save port telcom program also modem \( included \) access services like compuserve great unit high school college student write papers reports comes original manual get 125 00 plus shipping cod charges send e mail inquiries gilbert j gall internet guf psuvm psu edu penn state university 201 old bldg phone 814 865 \( office \) university park , pa
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject america 's team \? organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 43 1993apr20 bsu ucs leo bsuvc bsu edu writes absolutely correct braves fans nothing bunch correct wrong , 4 5 years ago couldnt give away ticket see braves play would bet next paycheck 80 called braves fans living outside georgia present time name 3 players 1988 season hand , ask cubs fan living anywhere united states name 3 players given year 80 probably could could right , could wrong claim completely unverifiable 'd wager braves fans net could name 3 players 1988 season could give away tickets braves games however , dad able get great seats face value , n't exactly sign hot ticket granted , fact team wins brings people ball park , mean title america 's team reason considered america 's team ted turner little tv station broadcasts across nation precisely considered america 's team even \( especially \? \) bad , could see braves games cable could cubs well , braves better , better announcers \( would rather listen harry discuss game , skip pete discuss \? \) , teams n't much worse tbs , braves lot fans outside georgia home kentucky , even though much closer cincinnati many braves fans reds fans , even 1990 could actually watch braves play go cincinnati watch reds go anywhere america watch braves 'll consider toronto america 's team braves \? 'd guess braves fans widely distributed toronto fans dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
srv pacbell com \( ken \) subject fast display adaptors windows organization pacific bell lines 14 friend ati graphic ultra display adaptors , reasonably good performers , irritating compatibility problems ati drivers ready change something faster compatible windows heard new orchid 9000 card fast anyone experience card \? currently available fast , compatible , non interlaced cost 500 \? ken ken pacific bell srv pacbell com san , california
zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) subject seen lobby , us lines 20 organization curtin university technology article 1993apr22 nynexst com , rsilvers nynexst com \( robert silvers \) writes send something rush linbaugh clinton taking away right privacy govt standard takes , people lots money \( drug dealers \) able justify des stuff slam clinton air well , lets hypothetical put selves place us end drug rings cripple chip \? first , would express congress critters , remind large sums money legitimate co provide coffers would also let know via channels \) income take hit , b \) health may good either case , next obvious step take buy vlsi ! yeah , free enterprise work \) cripple pockets , well tough masses though paul
mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) subject little satanic lines 26 jon livesey writes took time copy text correctly , includes obvious \? well , yes real mystery matter , rather dubious lot source theories number places masoretic text \( mt \) ot obscure presumably corrupted reproduced exactly copy copy dss tend reflect errors would appear tell us , least point , people began copy texts mechanically problem , n't know seems though accurate transmission begins point texts perceived texts may added \( situations , end mark , material lost \) , part substantial changes existing text 're basically trying make mountain people like use game telephone metaphor transmission texts clearly wrong texts transmitted accurately c wingate peace god , peace , strife closed sod mangoe cs umd edu yet , brothers , pray one thing tove ! mangoe marv'lous peace god
u2i02 seq1 cc keele ac uk \( rj pomeroy \) subject catholic doctrine predestination lines 36 article may 13 02 28 48 1993 1471 geneva rutgers edu , creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) catholic doctrine predestination exclude free way since god knows everything , therefore knows everything going happen us free , able change happens us however , since god knows everything , knows choices make advance \( god subject time \) often arguments pit predestination free believe little issue semantics would better , call pre determination \? ! rrrrr oo bbbbb r r oo oo b b r r oo oo b bb robert pomeroy r rr b b bbbbb u2i02 keele ac uk r r b b r r oo oo b bb 1993 r r oo oo b b r r oo bbbbb address hall , keele , , england term time 16 x
anderson dseg ti com \( john anderson \) subject 9600 baud organization ti dseg spring creek nntp posting host mcs jha dseg ti com reply anderson dseg ti com lines 13 article 477 uucp kaw uucp \( ka workman \) writes 've similar problems downloading using , discovered disabled data compression modem , works fine string use \? john h anderson texas instruments inc internet anderson dseg ti com po box ms compuserve , plano , tx 214 575 fax 214 575
yxy4145 ucs usl edu \( yu \) subject one know biggest rom present \? organization univ southwestern la , lafayette lines 3 please replay yxy4145 usl edu thanks lot
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject strong weak atheism organization macalester college lines 14 faq ever got modified define strong atheists assert nonexistence god , assert believe nonexistence god \? thread earlier , n't get outcome adam nickname cooper adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws
mike tancsa mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca subject windows ati ultra \( chip \) sizing question content type text plain charset us ascii originator mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca content transfer encoding 7bit organization university waterloo mime version 1 0 x mailer elm version 2 4 content length 489 lines 15 upgraded trident tvga9000 ati graphics ultra \( old chip \) quite pleased performance far , one problem using windows 800x600 , noticed tile bars scroll bars significantly larger using trident card setting ini files change make smaller \? could find faq list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca
hmmeyer silver ucs indiana edu \( hans meyer \) subject pioneer audio video receiver organization indiana university lines 16 pioneer 501 audio video receiver dolby pro logic surround , logic studio simulated surround playback video signal selector \( function \) two way vcr copying monitoring acoustic memory function custom memory function sleep timer multi room remote jack av remote control unit less one year old excellent shape 300 firm hans meyer
krs allegra att com \( k r \) subject companies involved scientific visualization reply krs allegra att com organization bell laboratories lines 10 anyone list companies data visualization \( software hardware \) would like hear thanks krs k r ph \( 908 \) 582 bell laboratories , rm email krs research att com 600 mountain av murray hill , nj
ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu \( ardie mack \) subject windows zip unzip organization department plant pathology lines 15 ccastco prism gatech edu \( costas malamas \) subject windows zip unzip date 28 apr 93 22 31 55 gmt article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph \( 052 \) 27 1141 fax \( 052 \) 27 2015 , replacement extracts , pkzip 2 04 require unzip order work , 10 register
wkuvx1 bitnet subject cable tvi interference organization western kentucky university , bowling green , ky lines 44 article 1993apr23 rwwa com , witr rwwa com \( robert withrow \) writes article rave larc nasa gov , watson nimbus larc nasa gov \( catherine watson \) writes gave year letters phone calls got impression fcc powerless cable company correct situation n't formal action citizen take requires fcc , least , generate paperwork \? robert withrow , tel 1 617 598 , fax 1 617 598 , net witr rwwa com r w withrow associates , 21 railroad ave , 1821 usa interested , fcc indeed care cable leakage , particularly aviation nav band , leakage causing interference services part 76 611 details specific limits acceptable leakage , measurement technique clearly document problem , measurement technique \( signal level meter normal approach , remember correct measurement data per meter \) fax mail details mr john wong cable branch , fcc 1919 st nw wash dc , copy letter local cable company , get results fact cable company probably start treating much better realize figured get attention important document case relates applicable rules however cable company required least check every complaint leakage must file commission maintain premises yearly measurement report details results leakage testing remember , call cable company first , give chance work correct problem contacting commission business measuring cable system leakage via airborne method wkuvx1 bitnet aka chris scott telco \( 502 \) 745
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 28 article 1993apr24 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote article sandvik sandvik kent apple com , sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes seems faith tool available emotional purposes due tragedy maybe fills need , however i'm getting tired see children dying pain sudan due lack food , assuming god takes sufferers heaven painful death children fed , whose fault \? plenty food tables others starve \? god gave us earth manage n't think 're good job consolation suffering children received kingdom heaven never thirst never hunger agree points , i'm glad hear subscribe notion secular humanism , humans helping humans instead hoping possible ex solution ! faith , could always use constructs anger sorrow cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
subject posted gif bmw r100s stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 22 article 1993apr22 news columbia edu , scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) wrote went played w columbia 's scanner scanned bunch pictures new \( \) 1977 bmw r100s , however , color , 256 greyscale gifs mind posting euro archive \? directory specifically bmws ftp 134 29 65 5 \( vax2 winona msus edu \) user euro pass spooge cd bmw get put please john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization stratus computer , inc lines 61 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com keywords nata thing ! ! article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu , mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) writes oh , , guess shooting kind babies right sick bastard thanks reply post way , never , never ever said right shoot kind babies let 's go videotape 's exactly posted murder ! atf murderers ! butchers ! ! flame ! ! guy serious \? \? \? \? would ever really pay attention news \( oops forgot media part loves jump right top story facts known , well manipulate see thus believe \) ways one koresh 's devoted followers repeat survive genocidal mass slaughter innocent people besides nine survivors burn unit local hospital reported david one towers shit hit fan besides , majority children children supposed father , makes bastard children sacraligious \( sp \) also someone told david followers ca n't heat stay kitchen ! ! \( pun intended \) n't saying deaths bastard children zealot big thing \( know one read way \) , hell saying \? however branch davidian people insisted staying savior \( yeah right budy boy \) brain washed believing ever says truth , even means give lives cause therefore davids fault atf 's gave 50 51 days get , 50 days many many rest u brainwashed believing whatever government says truth \? koresh actual threat rest us \? n't ever stopped wonder government raided farm \? raid religion , sex , child abuse best available evidence moment , raid , psychological torture , group death koresh 's failure pay 200 tax one grenade launcher may may even ! 's batf raiding first place think 200 tax evasion justifies armed assault government 100 armed men trailers , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust \? however sad hear death child unlike sick bastard supposedly think post cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
webster ucssun1 sdsu edu \( p \) subject xdm x error organization internet lines 26 xpert expo lcs mit edu attempting connect sgi indigo pc clone using commercial x windows emulation package , x package hangs pre login x screen mode login box wo n't display using package mode , sgi , run none graphic type things pc get error read error 0 socket 1 \( raw socket error \) sgi , xdm errors get termination error kill stalled screen pc sgi , date time sgi xdm hung xopendisplay \( remote 0 , server open failed remote 0 , giving access control disabled \( believe , message confirms login sgi \) believe sgi set properly described x adm book x package tech support n't able solve problem i'm looking suggestions look problems , possible tests run narrow questions thanks webster ucssun1 sdsu edu
walsh acc admin stolaf edu \( brian l walsh \) subject vesa driver xga 2 organization st olaf college , mn lines 6 heard vesa driver xga 2 card available compuserve got card , wondering driver available ftp site anywhere news service erratic lately please e mail walsh stolaf edu thanks advance
reed hpcc01 corp hp com \( perry reed \) subject redirect print manager file \? organization hewlett packard co lines 34 hpcc01 comp os ms windows misc u7911093 cc nctu edu tw \( swh \) 9 58 apr 24 , 1993 hello , tell find pd shareware capture windows 3 1 's output printer \? want capture output hp laser jet iii though postscript setup print file , hp ca n't try dos 's redirect program , ca n't work windows 3 1 thankx help print file hp \( printer \) go printers section control panel select printer want direct file , click connect choose file port connect printer print application printer , windows prompt file name file want capture printout 's pretty easy good luck ! ' ' perry reed ` perry reed desk hp com ' ` ' ' ` ' `` ` ` ` young , foolish , lucky love ' ' '
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject playoffs stats sunday 4 25 nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 129 stanley cup playoff stats games played sunday , april 25 1993 top 20 point scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 bos c 12 adam oates 2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 usa stl rw 16 brett hull 3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 rus buf rw 89 alexander mogilny 3 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 pit c 66 mario lemieux 3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 cal rw 14 theoren fleury 3 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 tor c 93 doug gilmour 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 det 77 paul coffey 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 usa buf c 16 pat lafontaine 9 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 nyi c 20 ray ferraro 9 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 rus van rw 10 pavel bure 9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 rus buf lw 13 yuri khmylev 9 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 van rw 16 trevor linden 9 6 2 4 1 0 0 0 2 buf c 10 dale hawerchuk 9 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 usa stl c 15 craig janney 9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 bos c 49 joe juneau 9 6 2 4 0 0 0 1 6 cal c 25 joe nieuwendyk 9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 stl 21 jeff brown 9 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 pit c 10 ron francis top 10 goal scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 rus buf rw 89 alexander mogilny 2 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 usa stl rw 16 brett hull 2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 c 32 dale hunter 4 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 pit c 66 mario lemieux 4 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 nyi c 20 ray ferraro 4 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 tor lw 14 dave andreychuk 4 5 4 1 1 0 0 0 4 bos rw 8 cam neely 4 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 usa la c 12 jimmy carson 4 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 usa que rw 48 scott young top 10 assist scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 9 0 9 0 0 0 0 4 bos c 12 adam oates 2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 det 77 paul coffey 2 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 usa buf c 16 pat lafontaine 4 7 2 5 1 0 0 0 12 tor c 93 doug gilmour 4 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 stl 21 jeff brown 4 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 pit c 10 ron francis 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 usa win 6 phil housley 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 swe 6 calle johansson 4 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 cal 2 al macinnis top 10 power play goal scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 usa stl rw 16 brett hull 2 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 c 32 dale hunter 3 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 cal rw 14 theoren fleury 3 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 6 rus buf rw 89 alexander mogilny 3 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 bos c 49 joe juneau 3 5 2 3 2 0 0 0 6 stl lw 19 brendan shanahan 3 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 usa la c 12 jimmy carson 3 4 2 2 2 0 0 0 2 tch cal c 26 robert reichel 3 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 fin win rw 13 teemu selanne 3 3 2 1 2 0 1 0 6 mon lw 25 vincent damphousse short handed goal scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 7 3 4 2 1 0 0 19 cal rw 14 theoren fleury 1 7 4 3 1 1 0 0 4 pit c 66 mario lemieux 1 4 3 1 0 1 1 0 4 usa cal c 29 joel otto 1 4 2 2 0 1 0 0 6 usa cal 20 gary suter 1 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 rus det c 91 sergei fedorov 1 2 1 1 0 1 0 0 10 bos c 19 dave poulin 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 4 win c 38 luciano borsato 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 det lw 11 shawn burr 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 stl lw 10 dave lowry 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 usa buf rw 18 wayne presley top 10 game winning goal scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 8 5 3 4 0 2 0 0 usa stl rw 16 brett hull 1 6 4 2 0 0 2 0 4 nyi c 20 ray ferraro 1 6 2 4 1 0 2 0 0 usa stl c 15 craig janney 1 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 usa que rw 48 scott young 5 6 3 3 0 0 1 0 2 rus van rw 10 pavel bure 5 6 1 5 0 0 1 0 4 pit c 10 ron francis 5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 0 rus buf lw 13 yuri khmylev 5 6 3 3 1 0 1 0 6 van rw 16 trevor linden 5 5 4 1 0 0 1 0 6 tor lw 14 dave andreychuk 5 5 5 0 3 0 1 0 14 c 32 dale hunter top 5 point scoring defensemen rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 3 7 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 det 77 paul coffey 9 6 1 5 0 0 0 0 4 stl 21 jeff brown 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 usa win 6 phil housley 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 swe 6 calle johansson 19 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 8 cal 2 al macinnis top 4 rookie point scorers rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 9 6 2 4 2 0 0 0 6 bos c 49 joe juneau 33 4 3 1 0 0 1 0 8 usa pit c 15 shawn mceachern 33 4 3 1 2 0 1 0 2 fin win rw 13 teemu selanne 33 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 tch buf 42 richard smehlik top 5 penalty minute leaders rnk pts g pg sg gw en pim cty tm ps player 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 26 det lw 55 keith primeau 2 3 2 1 1 1 0 0 23 rus det c 91 sergei fedorov 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22 nyi 47 richard pilon 4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 21 tor rw 12 rob pearson 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 21 win rw 20 tie domi \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) subject math \? \? \( us govt technolgy investment keywords science \? reply gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) organization destructive testing systems lines 23 article ncratl atlantaga ncr com mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes 1993may13 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes , however , somewhat experimental science exploration fractals , strange , artificial life whether important insights gained experiments unknown , tend change shape mostly viewed abstract deductive field experiments mathematics \? nowadays , usually computer theory predicted numeric discoveries listed one yet write algorithm predict precise behavior precise level evolution remains experimenters gather data behavior gary gary coffman ke4zv make , gatech ! wa4mei ! ke4zv ! gary destructive testing systems break uunet ! rsiatl ! ke4zv ! gary 534 shannon way guaranteed ! emory ! kd4nc ! ke4zv ! gary lawrenceville , ga 30244
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 32 article blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes said everyone world means everyone world , including children old enough speak , let alone tell lies jesus says everyone , cannot support referring group people somewhat smaller everyone 's right everyone even infants cannot speak yet even little child stick finger light socket even little child want changed even little child fight nap time far jesus saying everyone certain ruler asked jesus , good teacher , must inherit eternal life \? call good \? jesus answered one good except god alone ken , book romans states born sinners grow sinner sin sinners common mistake , even christian circles , think reverse true surely grew look like parents , inherited appearance , also sin nature goes human even though new born innocent , sinful nature surely manifest explicity gets older surely grows hair head teeth within mouth , show signs innate sin rebelling daddy loud proclamation
jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) subject xw widget set ported x11r5 \? \? organization varco pruden buildings lines 14 i'm trying compile uses xw widget set i'm problems 're using motif x11r5 seems version xw stuff ported r3 patches port r5 \( newer port altogether \) \? \? perhaps newer port use r5 \? \? thanks advance jesse w asher \( 901 \) 762 6000 varco pruden buildings 6000 poplar ave , suite 400 , memphis , tn internet jessea vpbuild vp com uucp vpbuild ! jessea
mpdillon halcyon com \( michael dillon \) subject looking polygon organization world information fingertips lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host nwfocus wa com anyone know find code would take concave polygons break set convex polygons \? also would like code algorithms fact , interested sources code algorithms convert 2d graphical objects 2d graphical objects render image e bezier curves b splines , splines circular arc segments , b splines , etc michael dillon internet mpdillon halcyon halcyon com c 4 powerhouse fidonet 1 353 350 rr 2 armstrong , bc voice 1 604 546 canada bbs 1 604 546
cs uct ac za \( adrian \) subject raytracing colours \? keywords raytracer colours realism vectors organization computer science department , university cape town lines 25 question recursive , backward raytracing incident ray \( \) strikes object point p , first normal \( n \) calculated light rays calculated \( l1 ln n number light sources \) light rays intersect anything reflected ray \( r \) transmitted ray \( \) calculated formulae calling routine r return colours along rays \( r \) object colour light source \( 1 n \) question combine , , 's get correct resulting colour return along ray \? colours defined \( records \) r , g , b components 0 1 anyone done could give hints \? adrian cs uct ac za
megatest com \( bruce bowen \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization megatest corporation distribution na lines 17 article n3n netcom com , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) though agree place discuss guns , note passing number gun apologists seem ignored words well regulated distorted interpretations second amendment well regulated , time writing context second amendment , means properly trained equipped modern language would read properly trained equipped militia , necessary security free state note word free , n't say police \) , right people keep bear arms , shall infringed bruce
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject chelation therapy lines 51 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article cit cornell edu , renee cornell edu writes anyone know anything chelation therapy using edta \? uncle , doctor wants try wondering 1 evidence edta chelation therapy beneficial condition , condition \? 2 possible side effects \? please respond via e mail cornell edu thanks , renee edta \( chelation therapy \) used physicians try remove calcium plaques system \( approved use \) also possibility lung tissue patients lung disease become \( chest x rays would show \) side effects use edta specific calcium \( also minerals \) think deaths edta chelation therapy used mineral detected corrected animal studies , best way remove calcium plaques rabbits supplement rabbits vitamin c magnesium \( rabbits already synthesize vitamin c , extra vitamin c given diets help magnesium displace calcium plaques \) process occurs plaques lung probably prevented magnesium used supplemental form calcium deposits found deficient calcium 1 magnesium heart disease review j clin nutr 27 \( 1 \) 59 79 \( 1974 \) supplementation magnesium prevent blood vessels 2 importance magnesium deficiency cardiovascular disease heart j 94 649 57 \( 1977 \) need measure serum concentration patients heat disease cannot review article 3 effect dietary magnesium development cholesterol fed rabbits 10 732 7 \( 1990 \) magnesium supplementation greatly decreased formation plaques rabbits feed diet 1 weight added normal food since edta also bind magnesium , 've never really liked 's use reversal apparently patients marty b
tas fermi clas virginia edu \( thomas \) subject universal phones days \? organization university virginia lines 16 article wd sam cs tu berlin de wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) writes otherwise , technically problem connect foreign phone either german swedish phone system otoh neither would ever try , course illegal oh yes , good ol' deutsche shortly moving germany , someone told post acronym public organization suppression technology , \? miss lot things germany \( yes , including machines work subsidized firm \) , phone system one tom tas virginia edu
dave tygra michigan com \( david conrad \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet organization cat talk conferencing system lines 17 article 1993apr27 wuecl wustl edu wustl edu \( edward anthony \) writes modify pgp allow compress decompress 144 bit frames every part project i'm working , 're trying get celp running realtime full duplex mode gotta find source pgp see tough would integrate en decryption parts code presume going use idea session encryption transmit session key rsa \? david r conrad mind rent god government cat talk conferencing network , computer conferencing file archive 1 313 882 , 300bps , v 32 v 32bis new users use 'new' login id available via pc pursuit ! ! ! \( city code \) e mail address dave michigan com
sim es com \( nevin pratt \) subject eps clip art 4sale organization e lines 47 distribution world reply sim es com nntp posting host sim es com less 1 2 mailorder price ! three libraries , cd , cost two thousand dollars mail order genuine , high quality eps vector graphics \( scans silly eps wrapper ! \) 1 totem graphics color eps library \( 1400 color eps images \) costs thousand bucks mailorder rate clip art high quality \( much better dynamic graphics clip art , clip art , etc , opinion \) , rate 3g library c r library higher totem 's art color whereas 's b w 's best color library , opinion 2 c r graphics library \( n't counted many images , purchase library 48 floppies , give idea size \) costs 4 hundred bucks mailorder rate clip art high quality , 's b w 3 3g graphics library \( popular mac mags \) costs 4 hundred bucks mailorder rate clip art high quality \( got awards one major mac mags , forgot \) images color , b w 's worth , three cd 's saved multiple file formats readable mac 's pc 's additionally , totem 's mount native next also , although next could easily mount either mac pc filesystems 've personally tested cd 's three machines \( 've owned three machines , although sold next months ago \) also , opinion , 3g c r libraries best business \( 've seen lots \) also , totem 's , opinion , best color library around , although like 3g 's color art better want 850 everything ship certified check c , well visa mc charge pay visa mc , 'll ship pre paid continental u ship c , buyer pays c fee reason selling longer dtp business please respond via email telephone , rarely check news groups nevin email sim es com voice \( h \) 265 \( w \) 582
jcopelan nyx cs du edu \( one \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 24 article shelley u washington edu jimh carson u washington edu \( james hogan \) writes think 've missed point take alt atheism instance 's exponent based anagram fully extended , translates dig tunnels deep ! store grain everywhere ! prepare coming struggle ! 'll doubt recognize quote chairman mao thus , think 'll admit atheists lot sleeve might suspected agnostics sent mao atheist new order put little red book \? green \? jim god dead actor plays part sting , words fear find way place heart history without voice reason every faith curse teach us without freedom past things get worse nothing
marlatt spot colorado edu \( stuart w marlatt \) subject soc religion christian organization university colorado , boulder lines 61 article may 16 01 56 04 1993 geneva rutgers edu revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes dozier \( dozier utkux1 utk edu \) wrote reading posts newsgroup pasts 4 months , become apparent group primarily active liberals , catholics , new , athiests someone might think etc since conservative , protestant , old time religion believers get exclusive christianity \? christianity , always , diverse contentious tradition , group reflects diversity , fo one , ready concede group liberal conservative , catholic , protestant , orthodox , charismatic right claim truth , everyone else christian becoming increasingly convinced us take paul 's illustration one body many parts far narrowly easy say one body represents particular sect christianity \( generally \) , parts clearly various offices ministry place met people walking god wide variety catholic , protestant , liberal , conservative , orthodox , etc willing encompass wide spectrum views within context christ ' equally sure one day , mortal coil , longer see glass see clearly , face face , ashamed things held truth ought fellowship , worship , serve called , understand called may everyone else called one fathers reformation \( help ca n't recall name \) put quite essentials , unity , liberty things , charity agree lewis \( mere christianity \) calling oneself christian implies basic , fundamental standards belief word mean anything , think us define bounds essentials bit broadly , deny place liberty questionable issues near bounds , ignore requirements charity together \? attend church , speak tongues , effectively inerrantist , though 'll grant translation , moderately pre mill , evangelical , i'm ready damn use icons , say mass latin , uphold virgin mary \( though really n't believe sinless \) , vote church membership , insist baptism salvation course , think pretty close truth would follow believed something else closer truth \? understanding reality walk christ continually evolving spend time walking , studying word , others \( often extended \) family read , much night , go south winter eliot , waste land w marlatt , \( \) 25 2 university colorado marlatt spot colorado edu 492 national center atmospheric research marlatt cgd ucar edu 497
goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) subject radar detector buy \? nntp posting host apache utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 8 entered market radar detector looking advice recommendations warnings etc anyone group email preferred thanks
dudek acsu buffalo edu \( cybard \) subject modem problem dialtone summary comm software reports dialtone keywords modem , phone organization ub lines 20 nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu 486dx 33 isa pc compatible \( insight \) internal 14 14 modem windows first put modem , pulled phone jack another room , ran phone line extension surge protector computer modem worked fine split line jack room , ran line room surge protector computer got regular phone plugged phone jack modem try use modem , says dialtone phone plugged back computer works fine tried unplugging phone , still dice phone line split many times \? \( n't understand could problem , since phone worked fine \) please note none software hardware parameters changed , phone line new modem faulty \? \? david thomas dudek ubvms bitnet cybard state university dudek sun acsu buffalo edu ` ' \) , , , new york music food love , \( \) buffalo play ! wm shakespeare ` \) '''
tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) subject auto air conditioning without freon nntp posting host hydra convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa distribution usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 16 article news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu \( tim \) writes article 1993apr21 ntuix ntu ac sg mgqlu ntuix ntu ac sg \( max lu \) writes working gas solid air con system auto applications kind system , energy exhaust gas anyone interested mail email follow thread , may discussion prospects technology ok , 'll bite supposed work \? tim better still , years ago demonstrated cold air system used air called rovax unit worked well , short coming seal technology today \?
hardy u washington edu \( \) subject pov tga organization university washington , seattle lines 10 distribution world reply u washington edu nntp posting host hardy u washington edu i'm slight problem pov raytracer i'm sure correct group post create tga files unix machine using pov download display pc , 're listed bad files create file pc , displays fine unix tga 's incompatible pc \? easy solution problem would unix targa gif converter anyone know could find one \? help subject appreciated kevin
phaedrus iastate edu \( james r \) subject message mr president know happened \? reply phaedrus iastate edu \( james r \) organization iowa state university lines 32 article visser convex convex com , visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen tice \) writes one way another much patience bad could n't wait prospect god 's message much take \? believe david koresh really jesus christ \? cut water , fire trucks present fbi atf go blasting holes firing gas munitions building burns , almost everyone dies probably n't bother much , bothers many people dont believe particularly koresh message four atf agents 90 branch davidians dead crazy tactics part atf fbi attorney general tells us todays events suppose save compound blowing holes building gassing inside supposed save \? personally , think mrs o'leary 's cow knocked lantern \) phaedrus
aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) subject ethnicity worship organization massachusetts institute technology lines 160 payne writes culture sake perceive unity seems antithetical message inclusion preach agree , exception n't preach ignoring cultures body whole must unified question , shall melting pot , boiling one legitimate expression , shall like stew , maintaining integrity expressed diversity upholding unity thought \? released churches use latin mass \( unity \) allow speak people common language \( diversity \) revelation 2 3 , see first century church , one congregation major city one unified church city , people different cultures naturally , formed something stew , different members different nevertheless , one body met together , sometimes smaller groups homes sometimes bigger groups places temple courts particular city , , find common language associated region instance , rome , latin spoken united states today , english spoken would make sense congregations different cities would speak common language necessarily latin naturally , would expect lead evangelist preach common language first century church , probably many people congregation could speak given tongue translate message people foreign ethnic groups today , however , n't see people speaking tongues translate sermons , even called pentacostal churches modern day equivalent though bi speakers unified church member sometimes called international churches christ , meet together sundays , headphones people n't speak english hear ongoing translation sermon native tongue neat idea , huh \? , meet different size groups random sort way sundays , sometimes meeting spanish speaking people , example , hear evangelist preach native language addition , meet small groups couple times week bible discussion groups someone speaks different language almost always people also speak language \( assuming congregation large enough \) meetings people speak common language , keep touch culture , want , also equally deep among church relationships people many various nationalities purpose church thwarted action \? action letting catholics worship native language instead latin \? indeed ! see second paragraph response second clipping article however , mean action forming denominations based culture , purpose church indeed thwarted 'll assume second answering next clipping rather believe enhanced , paul us become one might reach thus , person group people feel comfortable among , shall give place feel comfortable heritage still l ove god \? guess aaron met needs people , certainly , helping proud cultural denominations n't yet largely isolated quality christian outside nationality \( denomination \) shall certainly give people place feel comfortable heritage however , way destroy church unity , rather encourages among disciples approach groups cite sounds like groups wonderful intentions , going things wrong way names like african methodist episcopal church still make cringe , although much understand racism past caused groups formed , try unite know 's hard many people newsgroup imagine one body people earth , quite possible , working make happen however , might smaller step towards unity , would taking word african denomination 's name perhaps someday long time , also remove methodist episcopal part also , simply part church regard , note sig mit know , religiously culturally , everyone comes immediately comfortable english , much less american culture shall conduct campus churches shall one church , sake unity \? shall organizations like useful helping students new america make transition culture , language , thought \? shall one church , sake unity , shall useful helping students new america make transition culture , language , thought n't make new denomination try solve problems whole denominational mindset causes problems , sadly ame church , retain african root expression , means exclusive since live cambridge , invite visit local assembly thank invitation shows indeed heart spread gospel jesus well take part cultural heritage thank also responding post know \( well \) time consuming whole idea celebrating culture paved good intentions , still feel must restore preserve unity time church , boston church , singing mentioned post , yet n't limit expression mexican culture , even though mit campus ministry spanish \( speaking \) zone made commitment god go sunday services church , know brothers sisters fully devoted love god disciples n't believe tongues , may already picked , understanding biblical christianity however , certainly willing visit congregation provided n't interfere normal worship since also live cambridge , also extend invitation visit services often like meet mit students student center \( across 77 mass ave \) sundays leave worship simply call wednesday night find service held particular day number 225 , 354 weeks rest summer service normally last noon , occasionally later earlier \( 1 3 times per year \) let us always strive reach gospel means necessary move milk meat , petty things world separate us dissolve away , shall stand naked god shed grace us , delightful creation definitely ! let 's also strive grow obedience lord men women god 's heart aaron bryce cardenas net net \( 617 \) 225 mit undergraduate student u aaron b cardenas environmental engineering ie snail 290 mass ave 242 aaronc athena mit edu mail cambridge , 02139 \( good two weeks \) speak one another psalms , hymns spiritual songs sing make music heart lord , always giving thanks god father everything , name lord jesus christ ephesians 5 19 20
lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) subject another travesty joe louis organization wayne state university , detroit mi u lines 31 nntp posting host cms cc wayne edu article 1993apr22 mtroyal ab ca caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca writes \( detroit , april 21 \) knowledgable observers watched shock detroit red wings beat best goaltender world six times en route another easy victory best team nhl best goaltender world , felix potvin , six bad number surrendered six goals collected six minutes penalties reponse goon tactics employed inferior red wings team alan p told would happen , roger n't \? love roger anyway \? n't heard awhile must golf course waiting leafs join day \) laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! ! !
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization stratus computer , inc lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) writes must comforting belong government approved religion baptists cult , two , btw , definitions dictionary cult 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's know mormons \? banging marrying thirteen yuear olds know fact happening \? state texas says n't , held trial prove 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things sure top two things perfectly legal bottom one n't person ca n't distinguish seems people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved constitution people approve fine , fine usually refer , bigotry negative get life chill paranoia knowing people like really gives warm joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
lairdb crash cts com \( laird p broadfield \) subject cnn sale influencing coverage organization well , head top , arm side , two legs distribution usa lines 25 1993apr19 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu \( andrew betz \) writes article 1993apr19 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) writes 'd willing go well way , would n't need buy network wholesale simply owning large number shares would still work \( 5 shareholders want pro gun coverage rest n't really care , 'll go along keep 5 happy \) 'd go along plan well turner 's stock traded american exchange 3 classes \( , b , c \) b stock currently 23 bucks share c stock 11 bucks share anybody idea much stock tbs issued \? would take reach 5 , 51 , even 100 \? um , hesitate bring , owning even single share entitles attend annual shareholders meeting , corporate introduce topics discussed n't suggest tactic used japan \( go shareholders meeting , disrupt everything \) , well worded resolution complaining advocacy journalism \? laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd , nosc ! crash ! lairdb hi ! i'm shareware signature ! send 5 use , send 10 manual !
chuck mks com \( chuck lownie \) subject leafs vs wings organization mortice kern systems inc , waterloo , ontario , canada lines 42 article lmarsha cms cc wayne edu lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) writes article 1993apr22 mks com chuck mks com \( chuck lownie \) writes last nights game toronto received five penalties , detroit none game watching \? n't see third period wings 2 penalties called delayed penalty \? leafs 2 man advantage minute 1 man advantage another minute two leafs still could n't score wonder leafs scored powerplay goal , according , never powerplay detroit paper today , said 40 penalties called last night 's game 're saying detroit none penalties \? i'm guessing watched first period leafs get alot penalties period wings n't get many \( n't looked box scores yet \) , ref made third period laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! ! apologies typo meant wings 5 power plays first period leafs none well , point n't refs biased , calling lot penalties , works benefit wings ref call whole bunch penalties one team calling bunch make takes lot away could great game
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject satanic tounges organization university colorado , boulder lines 72 article may 11 02 38 52 1993 athos rutgers edu hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) writes article may 9 05 40 36 1993 athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes hmmm old testament story tower babel , see god punished giving us different language assume angels language , one amongst angels \? , punished manner languages result babel , stands reason angels would speak different language us valid point multiple angelic languages angelic beings maybe different species speak maybe different species communicate differently n't know either truth known , little known angels even guess really know angels always speak tongue person 're talking , perhaps n't language trouble , stories abound , attempts verification \( test spirit \) either show witness real idea circumstances , outright fabrication involved brother puka story previous post seems like friend friend thing , two syllable word hardly qualifies language , inflection heard eyewitness account , things hard prove n't lend laboratory thing well don' know holy thing take gifts laboratory anyway well , told test spirits could , see someones claims backed bible , see nothing wrong making sure guy lazarus really dead 's alive much many faith healers trouble proving victories \( since cured plain unprovable \) modern day never validated , true modern day proved clergy lay 's unprovable statement prove somethings proved \? way know 've seen evidence saw records complete photographs showing one patients severe cured constant prayer 's common fallacy commit non trick prove evidence may seen \? answer ca n't fallacy assuming prove anything say never proven , i'm talking ones making claims , skeptics , proving burden proof rest unfortunately , \( warning \) legal system seems headed dangerous realm making people prove innocence \( end \) truthfully , corinthians poorly written \( maybe poorly translated english \) much remains unknown paul really intended \( despite claims hard proof one way another \) see writings 1 cor 12 14 saying n't n't using sarcasm , metaphor , etc yet others take says literally metaphors notwithstanding \? read 1 cor 14 praying speaking tongues regarding building oneself church , see using compare contrast , saying build church , builds \( implying n't \) 's common usage writing employ , easily seen could interpreted way n't mystery
subject gamma ray bursters \? belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu qucdn queensu ca 1993apr26 19777 midway uchicago edu organization mankato state university nntp posting host vax1 mankato msus edu lines 53 article 1993apr26 19777 midway uchicago edu , quads uchicago edu \( 's enrico ! \) writes graydon saundrsg qucdn queensu ca things detected space , anyone looked possible problems detectors \? , mechanism \( cosmic rays , whatever \) could cause think seeing one things \? graydon would explain widely separated detectors , ulysses pvo et al , would see burst time \( \) fact , fore batse , widely separated interplanetary network sure way locate random burst one detector , one cannot locate burst \( except say 's somewhere field view \) two detectors , one use time burst seen detector narrow location thin sky three detectors , one gets intersecting , giving two possible locations one locations impossible \( , say , earth blocked part sky \) , voila , error box batse , 8 detectors , location determination , within 3 degrees \( would someone gsfc , like david , like comment current state location determination \? \) sightings detectors helps drive uncertainty touch something n't mean , though believe \( reference somewhere \) absorption like features seen fraction grbs actually caused detector would mean , nasty god , though , would nai crystal act like 10 12 gauss neutron star getting far peter oddjob uchicago edu valid true add , individual detector also built fail safe , detector read background radiation \( e cosmic rays \) , remember right , detectors go 3 5 sigma background n't catch particularly energetic cosmic rays would normally set even buffer , still throw something like 1 2 bursts get , earth 's van allen belts , south atlantic anomaly , sun , remember right , either radar station , radio station australia , couple sources well jeremy belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu
root convex com \( superuser \) subject val 1 vs \( best radar detector \) nntp posting host hydra convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 28 article brian arc nasa gov brian gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( brian donnell \) writes article 1993apr22 convex com , tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) wrote live backyard folks make stalker radar system valentine 1 saved many , many , many times stealth revenue enhancement traps local area major brand detectors , , imho , nothing else even comes close v1 ! n't heard valentine 1 car driver auto magazines recommend bel detectors considering latest picks super wideband ka laser well also avoids radar detector detectors \( although really n't care since doubt 'll driving virginia anytime soon states also made detectors \? \) valentine 1 compare bel products \? brian donnell comparison bel wideband escort like detector directional indicators , bogey counter , radar signature analysis , remote display option , sensitive , well built , sent back !
brown spk hp com \( pat r brown \) subject help reflux esophagitis organization hewlett packard x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 3 please post results , close friend condition asked questions
ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) subject southern baptist convention freemasonry organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 51 reply ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu southern baptist convention convening june consider charges freemasonry incompatible christianity , thought following quotes mr james holly , anti masonic flag carrier , would amuse following passages exact quotes southern baptist convention freemasonry james l holly , , president mission ministry men , inc , 550 n 10th st , beaumont , tx inside cover book states mission ministry men , inc hereby grants permission reproduction part booklet two provisions one , material changed two , source identified followed provisions freemasonry one allies devil page iv issue moderate conservative , issue god devil page vi worthwhile remember public school education america page 29 jesus christ never commanded toleration motive disciples , toleration antithesis christian message page 30 central dynamic freemason drive world unity fraternity , liberty equality toleration seen writings 'great' writers freemasonry page 31 jesus christ established sectarian possible faiths page 37 narrowness , equal lord jesus christ page 40 seems right interest toleration cousins liberty , equality fraternity actually one lies lies ' page 40 southern baptist convention many churches founded lodge corner stones dedicated lodge churches hold public ceremonies repentance praying blood name lord jesus christ church renouncing oaths taken dedication church building page 53 54 tony
jcobban bnr ca \( jim cobban \) subject command loss timer \( galileo update 04 22 93 \) keywords galileo , jpl nntp posting host organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 13 read past fail safe mechanisms spacecraft , assumed command loss timer sort function however always find disturbing oxymoron op command something command changes behavior status spacecraft op command course terminology comes jet propulsion laboratory nothing jet propulsion jim cobban jcobban bnr ca phone \( 613 \) 763 bnr ltd bnr ca ! ! jcobban fax \( 613 \) 763 2626
iisakkil beta hut fi \( mika iisakkila \) subject scsi vs ide reply randy msc cornell edu 's message tue , 13 apr 1993 13 47 11 gmt nntp posting host beta hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 19 randy msc cornell edu writes scsi cards dos systems require separate device driver loaded memory scsi device hooked \? 've seen also board bios enables use 2 hard drives directly dos \( 2 drives dos limitation problem ide standards matter \) software drivers often allow better performance , though use want use devices besides hard disks 2 disks also true 32 bit os 's \? obviously able use 16 bit real mode written dos , need software drivers 's big deal \( long drivers available \) , wo n't fight low memory problems either segmented memory helps structure software
dbrooks osf org \( david brooks \) subject xv 3 0 author vacation till may 10 reply dbrooks osf org \( david brooks \) organization open software foundation lines 14 amir matis ingr com writes people flaming john bradley , author xv 's vacation till may 10 \( 15 , n't remember \) maybe slow wait hear side wrt copyrights , fees , etc respect john 's ability integrity , really regret leaving major release \( , accurately , making release leaving \) several us problems xv 3 00 , particular issues fixes far made imakefiles xv h without john , everybody posting fixes work , chaos inevitable let 's hope temporary john brooks using dad 's account
aludra usc edu \( jonathan barrett \) subject flames final kings destroyed organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 16 nntp posting host aludra usc edu vzhivov superior carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) writes flames final score calgary 9 l 4 things back belong gretzky n't play kelly hrudey old self let 's hope flames put old timers away asap vlad impaler yes , last couple months failed show one game five presumably last night one game five jon
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization mary ellen carter salvage crew reply access digex com 's message 23 apr 1993 01 29 19 0400 1993apr22 lehman com access digex net nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 46 article 1993apr22 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes qualcomm spare cycles dsps new cdma digital cellular phones wanted put strong crypto since capacity government decided discourage 're blowing smoke qualcomm wants sell nice , lucrative overseas markets like japan ec government told n't encryption ever hope export technology reason cdma n't encryption g men came qualcomm 's door 's qualcomm n't think us market digital cellular big enough international traffic arms regulations perry already stated net qualcomm wanted sell overseas , government told would n't allowed export , 's blowing smoke \) sure , probably could made us version , non crypto export version , contracted bulgarian japanese software house develop overseas crypto rom , 's getting pretty expensive , cylink sells phones 're willing make different stuff domestic use vs export qualcomm n't cylink makes money 's capitalism , comrade well , people like capitalism , others prefer free enterprise 're different ! using government stifle competition capitalist someone build unit better yet , prehaps someone produce package turns 486 box sound card secure phone someone someone think 's easy , whining net instead getting butt gear writing \? writing good crypto code something good programmers writing good new crypto algorithms specialized skill developing new voice coding algorithms also pretty specialized , finding ways implement complex ones n't enough horsepower still fairly hairy stuff 586 pentium becomes widespread , next generation sound boards dsps , suspect 'll see happen maybe vanilla 486 soundblaster enough pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject riders welcome join group organization louisiana tech university lines 18 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1993apr23 pacbell com srv pacbell com \( jon costa \) writes riding group , generally speaking , people mind another rider tags along \? distinct feeling may welcome tagged along group last weekend yer welcome ride friends time introduce self earliest opportunity say mind rid guys \? dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject ok , little hasty organization duke university durham , n c lines 34 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu article jnmoyne moustic lbl gov jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes article sixgun east sun com , egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) wrote bill nc house lower level 1 08 faces stiff opposition senate recently , highway patrol took opposition senators gave shots , hit 07 , put course dodging cones failed , probably change votes result try course drinks \? n't see senator fat driven around good driver mater many drinks yeah , really , shit ! like jerk could n't win election democrat switches republican year past election takes terry sanford bitch moan campaigning typical nc senate house races swear , 'd kick jesse head ever got chance maybe 'd get fucking clue rest world lives andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
wang ssd intel com \( wen lin wang \) subject often kids fall sick \? etc nntp posting host organization supercomputer systems division \( ssd \) , intel lines 83 article ashwin leo gatech edu ashwin cc gatech edu \( ashwin ram \) writes 20 month son started falling sick quite often every since started going day care home first year fall sick even seems like sort cold flu pretty much month time cold leads ear infection well , result ends antibiotics 3 weeks 4 know kids day care fall sick often , sounds pretty familiar posted similar cries last september caroline entered daycare two , , continuous colds since last march spring approaches , colds slowed meanwhile grew relaxed colds doctor diagnosed ear infection twice antibiotics \( time due sinus infection , wished give awful septra \) studies help answer questions \? 'net , read newsgroup often , round questions like every month might formal studies like , bear academic experience okay \? often kids first , second third years fall sick \? often get colds , , ear infections \? gee , bet 50 50 'll hear cases data home care vs day care \? pretty sure , insulated child home less , child still face world one day sick build immunity \( leading less illness later \) , 's believe comfort caroline get colds sure learned stick hand kid 's mouth let kids cold virus easily however , hope immune system stronger fight diseases , would less severely affected everytime cold , make sure blow nose frequently give night good rest \( thanks suggestions net \) 's care needs us try hard keep antibiotics twice ped gave choice decide whether would antibiotics waited long enough \( 3 4 days \) see fought illness understand n't much choice child pain high fever make kids weaker \( leading illness later \) , long term effect \? child n't rely antibiotics fight sickness everytime , child stronger taking antibiotics regular basis negative long term effects \? 'll leave expert one tell child susceptible illness normal , one \? child entered daycare , i'm pretty sure first 6 months hardest \( , get used boy , hate see typing sentence recall read something like last september , said , 'oh , sure ' , get used , \) however , hear people say get better year two looking forward healthier next winter gets warmer , hope get break soon way build immunity resistance \? eat well , sleep well try use antibiotics absolutely necessary good luck wen lin
dittman dseg ti com \( eric dittman \) subject question irq2 irq9 organization texas instruments component test facility lines 9 8 bit serial card two ports port option using irq 2 , 3 , 4 5 also two serial ports multi card , ports set irq 3 , 4 , 5 , 7 9 posts 've read , get impression irq2 8 bit card irq9 multi card right \? eric dittman texas instruments component test facility dittman dseg ti com \( 214 \) 480 disclaimer even opinions found side road
kiran village com \( kiran wagle \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization sea lines 26 nntp posting host cs utexas edu wrote kw n't like additives , , kw get net learn cook scratch sheesh mary allison exclaims excuse ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ca n't people learn cook scratch net 've gotten lots recipes net n't use additives one simply ca n't cook net , one cook net cooking best done kitchen , stove \( gotcha ! grin \) \( said general frustration people \( anyone particular \) seem expect packaged food conform tastes words , packaged foods liking , prepare foods \) like additives get net go local supermarket , buy lots packaged foods , get net ! ! n't strong feelings additives , long ca n't taste 'em \( rest reply , sorry seemed picking n't trying please accept apologies \) kiran
jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) subject 1994 mustang organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 21 article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) writes got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? everything 've read correct , ford nothing skinning existing mustang , minor suspension modifications pictures 've seen indicate n't good job new mustang , nothing cycle 20 year old car jeff
petebre elof iit edu \( brent peterson \) subject 1994 mustang organization illinois institute technology , chicago lines 35 article murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) writes got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? everything 've read correct , ford nothing skinning existing mustang , minor suspension modifications pictures 've seen indicate n't good job new mustang , nothing cycle 20 year old car jeff gee 1999 already \? yes , still fox program chasis , anything different new car far mechanical 's unknown suspension likely changed , well drive drain printed , clear idea done , say modular v8 others current small block wait see also far styling goes seen good , return tradition c scoop sides roof line much like '65 '66 fastback bp
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject theism fanatism \( islamic genocide \) organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 125 article 3r horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism \( deletion \) theism correlated fanaticism neither said fanatism caused theism theism leads fanatism point , theism increases chance becoming fanatic one could course argue would fanatics tend towards theism \( example \) , times history theism dominant ideology invalidate conclusion basic mechanism behind imo , influence stalin , matter , ayn rand , invalidates assumption theism factor considered bogus said theism factor fanatism point theism factor gullibility , blind obedience authority , lack scepticism , , reliable indicators really dangerous people sources fanaticism often none things cynical manipulators gullible , know precisely 's claim support please note especially field theism , leaders believe say , brands theism , precisely theists , tend fanaticism , grant tar theists brush bigotry , reasoned argument reads like warm censorship restriction religious freedom ever read animal farm \? 's straw man usually discussions one repeat read written every theism leads fanatism , fanatism caused theism point , correlation , comes innate features theism gullibility , way , one say going forbid religion another straw men interesting nothing better offer \( 2 \) define irrational belief e g , rational believe reason always useful \? irrational belief belief based upon reason latter discussed long time charley wingate one point beliefs violate reason often , another process lend rational analysis contain reliable information well , glaring paradox argument reason useful based reason would circular , argument based reason would irrational \? 's bogus self reference circular since evaluation usefulness possible within rational systems , allowed argument silly proving mathematical statements needs mathematics mathematics circular first part second statement contains information , n't say beliefs beliefs strong theism strong atheism , statement general true second part sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum lend rational analysis , assumed contain reliable information regardless process used obtain 've speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis , say often refuted fallacy look discussion axiom choice , one evaluate axioms larger systems usually derived exist derived , want way , one test consistency set axioms trying say \? compared evidence theists claims strength demands makes whole thing irrational antirational ca n't agree specific theism \? say theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect using traditonal definition gods personal , supernatural entities objective effects world usually connected morals way world works affinity fanatism easily seen true believe nothing work hypothesis however , beliefs say work hypothesis n't understand argument \? person believes system b becuase sounds nice make b true , best work hypothesis however , content b true work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence therefore dismissed b \( already believed \) says wrong waste time possible depending contents b idolaters protestants killed , interesting effects answer question absolute set morals people agree like would agree football football benedikt
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject 66dx2 isa , vlb xor 50dx eisa \? \? advice wanted reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 25 thu , 22 apr 1993 15 43 32 gmt glen \( glen tegra com \) wrote article 1993apr22 julian uwo ca rmitch irus rri uwo ca \( ross mitchell \) writes choice basically system 486dx2 66 isa vlb , , 486dx 50 eisa vlb \( thus non local bus version ati card \) better , keeping mind i'm primarily interested last two tasks \? april 13 issue pc magazine published benchmarks ati running vlb eisa 800x600 , 16 800x600 , 256 1024x768 , 16 1024x768 , 256 eisa 15 34 15 34 15 19 15 15 vlb 16 02 16 31 16 33 16 24 speed many windows tasks original poster \( ross mitchell \) primary manipulating large images , implies moving lot data memory card anyone benchmarks particular task \? penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) subject waco distribution usa nntp posting host c ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard corporation , chelmsford , lines 64 article cbnews cb att com ddn cbnews cb att com \( david \) writes thirdly , seems incredibly hypocritical place blame given benefit hindsight something made decisions benefit give courtesy acknowledging best could data , difficult situation proof best could \? unless strong evidence children immediate danger best could done show restraint us predict outcome , least suggested strong possibility , one , said event assault building children ones danger either assault jonestown \( phrase week seige started \) style suicide pointed , repeatedly objections people net disagreed , adult may freely choose suicide right impose choice children , n't expect fbi pay attention say , expect figure take advice experts cult specialist inter viewed yesterday 's boston globe said repeatedly fbi pointed confrontational tactics played perfectly koresh 's mad view world increased chance tragic outcome responses gone far suggest actions done without regard lives people compound give break give us break ! pumping teargas 45 minutes compound filled children \? ! ! n't seem show much regard lives safety teargas oxymoron children tiny respiratory passages easily blocked secretions induced teargas moreover teargas easily cause fatalities anyone subject , asthma , heart disease madman holding gun hostage , someone provokes madman attacking bears nearly much death hostage madman kinds situations handled surrounding place tanks heavily armed personnel blaring rock music loud speakers hours approach idiotic part solution problem solution greatly reduce authority authorities feds showed , many times past , gang trigger happy , , cause trouble prevent confrontational approach reinforced every single message koresh giving followers , virtually guarantee ing whatever crazy solution koresh proposed would followed willingly pointed , compuserve , press , every place except justice department seems n h philosophy peter
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject hallam baker \( welcome police state usa \) lines 41 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article 1993apr22 cs okstate edu , kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) anyone wants understand paranoid mindset koresh offer talk politics guns minds hung power ego trips bend reality arround particular set hell base ludicrous claim \? plenty fine , decent people people read post p g people paranoid people like hey dude making paranoid ! argument ! ! ! long ago gave arguing case arms control directly instead invite people ask , would want room full occupants talk politics guns , personal attempt enter discussion \? 'd spot tea \) probably gave arguing case arms control directly long ago posters know talking \( e g , frank crary \) disproved arguments gun control needed , gave know right could n't refute answers , frank crary 's arguments based assumption people sane , normal people tpg disproves gun owners usenet whole disproves humanity whole proof positive guns n't make safer buy lot guns either get shot knock raid get fbi burn house see even paranoid mindset tpg good reasons support gun control 'n kisses phill
corp sun com \( finch \) subject windows 3 1 imf boards \? organization sun microsystems computer corp lines 29 distribution world reply corp sun com nntp posting host corp sun com keywords windows , sound , imf , midi interested know know procedure document configure ibm feature \( imf \) card work sound device ms windows 3 1 believe imf uses fm synth chip blaster , n't know driver use configure midi mapper help , past success , suggestions \? thanks , donald finch technical support engr n american solution centers voice \( 415 \) 336 microsystems fax \( 415 \) 960 email finch corp sun com 04
deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel e bradley \) subject help ! quicktime 1 5 system 7 1 problem keywords quicktime mac organization university illinois urbana lines 14 unable run quicktime 1 5 iivx running system 7 1 , n't know \( better group post , please let know \) quicktime 1 0 works fine , try run movie application supports , like simple player , canvas word , get message sorry system error occurred ' application ' trap continue restart , press continue get application unexpectedly quit , error type 12 occurred substitute simple player canvas word ' application , messages always restart quicktime 1 0 , problems suggestions \? loss thanks advance oh yah , please email n't check newsgroups often dan bradley deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject put swap file \( ide scsi \) nntp posting host monica us oracle com reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 24 486 sx 25 recently added scsi drive system using adaptec \( non busmastering \) controller yesterday ran coretest find drive performance values got seagate 106 meg 875 sec 14 avg seek 3 track track quantum 400 meg scsi 991 2 kb sec 12 7 avg seek 3 6 track track first good results \? n't know typical values i'm wondering following swap file currently ide could move scsi 13 faster , would able use 32 bit access might make slower drive put swap file get best results \? swap file speed test program \? finally , also ran tests driver loaded got difference whatsoever performance reason load driver \? thanks advance , post summary get enough responses eric
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 72 brian ucsd edu \( brian \) writes 's possible 's ham radio transmitter 're hearing , n't likely every bit signal n't go antenna wasted , far ham concerned , hams radiated signal would cause problem technically competent ensure n't waste signal possibly avoid get ham license , pass government exam tests point , among others however , could hearing radio transmitter sure lots services operators required technically competent citizens band \( cb \) , example nothing amateur radio tests requires technical competence simple matter memorize questions answers however , said , hams know spend quite bit time gaining technical skill listen interference hear voices clearly , almost certainly ham radio , might well cb record n't count bit , could take tape local ham operator 's house ask opinion 're hearing communities cannot legally however , ask ham listen interference occurs specific time day , would possible scheduling nothing else , could invite ham transmit driveway , see interferes , probably need equipment worked make immune rf interference ham radio interference committee whose members willing help resolve interference complaints look phone book , ask local ham radio store , call fcc contact info fcc may , may , information enough without getting calls information nothing else , call city offices police department \( general business number \) name local ham contact 's ham , 's likely willing help get rid problem , would signal 's wasting n't , interference committee fcc may able suggest solutions see concept wasted signal erroneous rig transmitting properly , chance interference \( exception harmonic television interference \) greatest since putting strongest signal unfortunately case transmitting station operating perfectly legally could possibly cause piece consumer audio tv equipment manufacturer consumer equipment cut corners one little section device would n't affect one person thousand , bites often pennies knowledgeable person , perhaps even person operating transmitter 're hearing unfortunately , consumer equipment poorly designed \( btw hams allowed amplifiers cb n't illegal ham amplifier n't compute \) , mobile radio mobile rigs could power 1500 watt amplifier bill
kebarnes msuvx1 memst edu subject drugs crime new approach \( drugs legalized \) organization memphis state university lines 291 wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) writes article 1993apr19 msuvx1 memst edu , kebarnes msuvx1 memst edu said i'm creating class noncommercial drugs would include currently illegal ones , would legal possess , grow , produce , sell bomb pushers back barter age ! \( tax production , \) um , \? 's wrong act selling recreational drugs , even mercenary reasons \( e g , getting rich \) \? \( note selling , mean selling product consenting adult mutually agreeable price point effort pre prevent thread getting onto flamefest pushing drugs like \) users subjected special taxation \? william december starr note repost earlier response mr starr , properly formatted apologies 've seen following explain position war drugs , offer drugs crime new approach ken barnes given 1 trade illegal drugs responsible much crime nation 2 people want drugs \( particularly people predisposed addiction \) find way get , whether legally available 3 despite current law enforcement efforts , drugs readily available want 4 addiction drugs , legal illegal , responsible significant drain productive resources country , occurs variety ways , cocaine addicted babies unable learn , spread disease among addicts , tragic consequences alcohol abuse tobacco smoking 5 general economic principle government whatever subsidized get , whatever taxed get less effective confronting nation 's drug problem , way must found utilize additional powers government make drug dealing drug use less attractive country 's current efforts combat legal drugs succeeded respects , \( greater awareness health consequences smoking , designated driver programs helped reduce drunk driving , example \) , cannot said war illegal drugs remains core group illegal drug users support international networks smugglers , pushers , , processors , , gangsters networks marketing activities , include drive shootings , corrupting law enforcement authorities , smuggling weapons , directly indirectly responsible large proportion crimes committed country every day clearly , illegal drugs rising crime linked takes moment 's reflection recognize linked link money country 's failed effort prohibit alcohol consumption , black market created , greedy local , like gangsters era , enormously illegal trade victims trade include innocent people unfortunate enough caught crossfire , , would argue , drug users black market , violent monopoly drug lords , drug users might thieves , robbers , prostitutes murderers become order pay high prices drug lords demand absence drug lords , would , believe , simply people problem , either moral problem medical problem , criminal problem let clear however , advocating let criminals preying society many years prohibition hook contrary , new approach advocate one would result either government private industry getting business promoting crack cocaine , presently illegal drug matter neither approach sees law abiding citizens handing freedom privacy effort track illegal drug users , land free home brave looks like police state proposal 1 possession use presently illegal drugs , buying selling remains illegal grow marijuana \( many already today \) , drug users legally import poison choice long pay , barter economy drug experimenters develops 2 barter economy supplies drug users , black market profits enriched drug lords drugs obtained next nothing , buy \? nevertheless , seek sell noncommercial drugs even relatively low prices therefore , 3 law enforcement activity concentrated individuals continue buy sell , also crimes committed drug users poor afford even low prices strategy begins differentiate drug dealers , , drug users , victims 4 upon arrest crime , suspects permitted choose whether undergo drug test choose cooperate informed upon conviction crime accused , found drug user , institutionalized clean , begin serve sentence choose cooperate already drug free , begin serve sentence right away choose undergo drug test convicted face stiffer fines serve longer sentences 5 institutionalization drug using criminals serves several purposes drug using criminals \( includes drunk drivers \) separated sources supply , thus reducing total number drug users society large , consequently decreasing demand drugs street , putting remaining drug dealers business institutionalization provides incentive drug using criminals straighten , becoming part general prison population helping protect society crime , institutionalization could also serve deter drug users becoming criminals , since drug using criminals , unlike criminals , would delayed prior serving sentences additional time takes sober institutionalization drug using criminals separate general prison population would also provide closely monitored pool addicts could volunteer research studies new techniques treatments addictive disease , potential benefit others 6 dealers illegal drugs generally drug users , particularly true drug bosses running large illicit organizations proposal , dealers would readily identifiable , since upon arrest would presumably pass drug test , else decline take order avoid explain possession drugs apparent use declining take test , would course face stiffer penalties case attempted sale noncommercial drug would stand merits , outcome suspect 's drug test could provide additional evidence prosecution 7 cigarette taxes contributed decline smoking country making cigarettes costly time providing revenue anti smoking campaigns , noncommercial drugs taxed , money generated used combat use enforcement tax voluntary basis however , used excuse infringe rights privacy noncommercial drug users , since would effect prohibition instead , drug users encouraged pay tax reminding drugs ever found possession course routine police operations , required pay tax immediately else forfeit drugs destroyed drug dealers found selling noncommercial drugs taxes paid , face additional prosecution evading tax strategy adding tax evasion drug dealing charges already use jurisdictions , effectiveness currently limited illegality drug possession revenue drug possession taxes import would used fund anti drug advertising campaigns , provide support private sector drug treatment programs unable afford treatment 8 taxpayer subsidies drug producers must ended federal support tobacco farming immoral wasteful era tight budgets , marijuana crops grown federal lands many states must likewise eliminated proposal would effect permitting use illegal drugs , would hold users drugs responsible actions , believe , would reduce harm drugs society , particularly crime caused illegal drug trade long remain free nation , relatively borders , freedom citizens travel , always drug problem whether takes form heroin addicts dying abandoned buildings , drunk drivers killing maiming others streets , emphysema patients struggling breath lifetime smoking , results needless suffering death society must recognize society permits us harm drugs , already \( regardless drug laws \) , must take stand harm drugs drug users cause others must particularly oppose vicious violent prey weakness drug users taking profits deadly trade , proposal goes long way towards shutting powerful criminal organizations question whether drug use moral medical problem depends group drug users 're talking different drugs different effects , addictive others drug also often varies individuals , people drink alcohol moderation , others find cannot resist bottle nicotine , former surgeon general c everett declared heroin , legal drug known harmful effects , people stop smoking alone , others continue smoke even treatment lung cancer individuals stop taking drugs , may argue chosen use , represents moral failure part , unwillingness face difficulties life addicts , may chosen use drugs first time , time discover addiction late cannot hold responsible disease , would blame someone drowning inability swim perhaps known go near water , perhaps someone warned danger , present circumstances warnings help neither help drug dealers shore tossing weights standard disclaimer x , dna \( \) ken barnes , bldg conservative libertarians ' kebarnes memstvx1 memst edu pro balance ! \( \) memphis , tn 711 compuserve com find television educating every time somebody turns set , go room read book groucho marx
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject persistent vs chronic organization university pittsburgh lines 29 article blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) writes chronic persistent hepatitis usually diagnosed someone liver biopsy patient persistently elevated serum transaminases months bout acute viral hepatitis , someone found persistently elevated transaminases routine screening tests degree elevation \( serum transaminases \) trivial , much ten times normal blood usually normal rule , patients cph clinical signs liver disease chronic active hepatitis also asymptomatic minimally symptomatic , least initially , 's 's important tell apart means biopsy patient cph needs patient cah needs treated went back chapter cecil chronic hepatitis seems indeed cases cph persistant viral hepatitis , whereas multitude potential probable causes cah \( viral , drugs , alcohol , autoimmune , etc \) physicians seem variety electing biopsy someone 's liver personally , think patient asymptomatic , slight normal pt , one simply follow closely add potential risks biopsy others may well biopsy patient , thus providing samples study would interesting see anyone 's done decision analysis kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton president 's press conference 4 23 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 838 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 23 , 1993 press conference president east room 1 00 p edt president terry , question \? q mr president , 's growing feeling western response bloodshed bosnia woefully inadequate holocaust survivor elie wiesel asked yesterday something , anything stop fighting united states considering taking unilateral action air strikes serb artillery sites \? president well , first let say , know , week seriously reviewing options action want say , , let 's look last three months since became president worked allies tried move forward , first fly zone , enforcement , humanitarian , war crimes investigation , getting bosnian muslims involved peace process made progress much tougher sanctions resolution leon , national security advisor vice president , europe working implementing going make big difference serbia reviewing options think act lead united states lead led last three months moved coalition fair , allies europe willing part troops ground think act alone , unilaterally , think next several days think extensive review going taken lot time , well time administration , , last 10 days think 'll finish near future 'll policy 'll announce everybody evaluate q follow \? president sure q see parallel ethnic cleansing bosnia holocaust \? president think holocaust whole different level think without precedent peer human history hand , ethnic cleansing kind inhumanity holocaust took nth degree idea moving people around abusing often killing solely ethnicity thing especially troublesome area people different ethnic groups live side side long together think stand think 's wrong talking today troubles region happy see violence croats muslims bosnia morning , think 're making progress front 's going serbians ethnic cleansing qualitatively different conflicts , within former yugoslavia parts region q mr president , count , good week presidency tragedy waco , defeat stimulus bill , standoff bosnia wrong going differently \? look things \? \? \( laughter \) president n't really believe situation bosnia 's good week world , n't know administration could made different stimulus package , 'd like put larger context remind 100 days already fundamentally changed direction american government abandoned trickle economics 've abandoned policies brought debt country 1 trillion 4 trillion decade budget plan , passed congress , reduce deficit increase investment , led 20 year low mortgage rates , dramatically lower interest rates probably people room home last three months , access cheaper credit 's going put tens billion dollars throughout economy ways , good country moving right direction economically regret stimulus pass , begun ask continue ask people administration , people congress whether something could done differently pass part reason n't pass politics part difference ideas really people still believe 's needed disagree think recovery say 's underway two years , 've still 16 months seven percent unemployment , wealthy countries trouble creating jobs think idea base argument , 're waiting lower interest rates deficit reduction investments next four years take effect , sort supplemental appropriation go forward , tell , majority republican senators sitting senate voted similar stimulus ronald reagan president 1983 , voted 28 times regular supplemental appropriations like hope learn something 've 90 days , know , governor working contentious legislature 12 years , took decade get political reform takes time change things basically feel good 's happened first 100 days regard congress q waco president well , regard waco n't much add 've already said think want situation looked want us bring people insights bear think 's important whole thing thoroughly gone still maintain said beginning , offender david koresh think united states government responsible fact bunch fanatics decided kill i'm sorry killed children q mr president , follow partly helen stimulus package political approach capitol hill , ross perot said today 're playing games american people tax policy strongly critical stimulus package said 's going launch advertising campaign north american free trade agreement going handle political criticism \? efforts hill economic plan \? plan things stimulus program try hill \? president let answer question first 're going revisit next days i'm going talking members congress others see regard economic plan , must say found rather amazing n't want get argument mr perot 'll interested hear specifics , would go back read book plan 's remarkable convergence except specific budget cuts , raise taxes less middle class wealthy , otherwise , plans remarkably similar think would 'll interested see maybe perhaps 's changed position book last year new ideas bring bear 'll glad hear q follow , sir , plan handle political criticism \? 's launched campaign think sit back president well , first , ask apply level scrutiny 's changed position positions took campaign last year , need know ideas maybe 's got constructive ideas think american people shown 're impatient people n't want produce results one thing think everybody figured last even n't agree want get something done came try change things want things want things help people 's lives judgment makes suggestion good , constructive , takes us beyond idea 've proposed change people 's lives better , fine think ought test apply everyone weighs debate president q mr president , go back bosnia minute continue insist multilateral action , criteria seems us comes many options thus far makes look state united states last remaining appropriate situation united states act unilaterally \? president well , united states surely would agree , united states , even last remaining , act consistent international law mandate united nations q mandate president , one things review n't ruled option action would remind , ruled option , except discussed considering introduction american forces continuing hostilities reviewing options also would remind , fair , allies french , british canadians troops ground worried supported , sanctions welcomed american delegation europe , working make sanctions really work really bite serbia tell nations involved also genuinely position , would rule fact reach agreement concerted action goes beyond n't criticism british , french others q would military action \? q mr president , several leading lights administration , ranging fbi director u n ambassador , deputy budget director health services secretary , issued statements last couple weeks absolutely contradictory positions 've taken administration \? losing political grip \? president give example q example \? judge sessions said child abuse waco madeleine albright said morning 's newspapers , least , favors air strikes bosnia things said n't support president first , n't know know david koresh sex children think undisputed , \? \? anybody dispute \? come qualifies child abuse know people teaching kids kill think qualifies abuse i'm criticizing judge sessions n't know exactly said terms madeleine albright , madeleine albright made public statement air strikes press report wrote confidential letter expressed memo expressed views new direction take response request senior members administration let know thought ought next heard others think ought next i'm going discuss recommendations made , next days make decision , announce i'm going would n't say either one examples qualifies speaking school q value added tax , mr president \? president \? q value added tax mrs rivlin miss shalala said thought good idea president n't mind saying think 's good idea kinds arguments policy grounds mean decided incorporate health care debate decision made objection expressing views 've lot people business labor come us saying thought tax would help make particular industries competitive global economy took n't taking line administration policy q mr president , week ago group gay lesbian representatives came meeting expressed ringing terms , confidence understanding political aspirations , belief would fulfill aspirations feel able meet enhanced expectations \? president well , n't know n't know depends expectations 'll tell believe country 's policies heavily biased favor believe tell people ca n't certain things country people , ought overwhelming compelling reason believe need services people , said consistently political proposition first time issue came 1991 boston asked question might add 's interesting attacked obviously , disagree primarily coming political right america governor , attacked direction sticking rights religious fundamentalists run child care centers practice home schooling appropriate safeguards always almost libertarian view try protect rights american individual citizens live fullest capacities , i'm going stick right q concerned , sir , may generated expectations end criticism among others administration sense far great emphasis issue \? president yes , placed great deal emphasis 's gotten lot emphasis quarters press 've simply taken position tried see 's n't take lot time president say believe intend , 's 'll continue q mr president , getting back situation bosnia understand n't made final decisions new options previously considered unacceptable two commonly heard options would lifting arms embargo enable bosnian muslims defend initiate limited air strikes , perhaps , cut supply lines without telling us decision presumably , n't made final decisions two options pros cons going mind right weigh heavily final decision \? president i'm reluctant get two options options considered pluses supporters opponents within administration congress , , would remind , heavy consultations required new policy believe air strike issue , pronouncements general powell made generally military action , apply take action , united states takes action , must clearly defined objective met must able understand limitations must clear united states , , become involved partisan war regard lifting arms embargo , question obviously capacity people fight help get settlement bring peace \? lead bloodshed \? kind reaction others would undermine effectiveness policy \? think deserve serious consideration , along options q think people trying get us war bosnia really remembering n't taken care hundreds thousands veterans last war could n't take care prisoners get home vietnam \? many coming bills treatment agent orange afford go wars \? president well , think 's good argument united states becoming involved war , , world 's super power lead world serious problem systematic ethnic cleansing former yugoslavia , could enormous humanitarian consequences goodness knows many also could practical consequences nearby regions sorts ethnic tensions exist q make kind agreement boris yeltsin hold either air strikes kind aggressive action serbs sunday \? general , political situation affected bosnia \? president , made agreement , ask never even discussed , interestingly enough russians , would remind , middle president yeltsin 's campaign , attempt get tougher sanctions united nations thought proper decision one united states , i'm sure , rest free world much appreciated q wish , mr president , 'd become involved planning waco operation \? would handle situation differently \? president n't think practical matter president become involved planning kinds things detail one things i'm sure come look questions asked answered , us line command ask questions asked get answers gotten \? look forward time , say , , first thing atf agents killed , knew fbi going go , ask military consulted quasi , least , military nature conflict given resources koresh compound obvious willingness use day action , asked questions attorney general reported previously , time thought sufficient said , i'm sure leave others make suggestions whether questions asked q mr president , assessment director role waco affair \? made decision future \? n't , give personal hearing decide \? president well , first , assessment role since direct contact mean negative positive inference assessment stand said general high regard fbi i'm waiting recommendation attorney general direction fbi q mr president , since said one side bosnia conflict represents inhumanity holocaust carried nth degree , tell us united states cannot take partisan view war \? president well , said principle ethnic cleansing something ought stand mean united states united nations enter war , effect , redraw lines , geographical lines republics within yugoslavia , would ultimately successful think united states try figure whether way consistent forcing people resolve difficulties stand stop ethnic cleansing obviously difficulty wrestling clearly difficult foreign policy problem face , allies face easy , suppose would solved tried last 90 days previously done clearly enough stop serbian aggression , looking else q yesterday specifically criticized roosevelt administration bombed concentration camps things near military targets n't steps like would involve conflict direct conflict partisan might consider \? president may would remind circumstances somewhat different war germany time 's made whole incident series incidents say , 've got options review q diplomatic initiative haiti verge collapse salvage short full scale military operation \? president well , may know something n't 's people tell think mr ambassador done together good job thing keeps going back forth people involved de facto government 's obvious concerns concerns led aristide first place , president aristide , feel , restored power 're working toward get report discuss least three times week , i'm convinced 're going prevail successful believe 's every reason think sort multilateral presence try guarantee security freedom violence people sides try establish conditions ongoing civilized society believe 're going prevail q mr president , would care make assessment first 100 days make one \? \( laughter \) president well , 'll say believe , first , passed budget resolution record time biggest issue confirmed direction administration confirmed commitments campaign could bring deficit increase investment , could specific spending cuts raising taxes , almost come highest income people society reversing 12 year trend tax burdens borne middle class , whose incomes going taxes going , deficit went 1 trillion 4 trillion , total national debt , deficit continued go 20 year low interest rates lower interest rates across board tens billions dollars flooding back economy people debt established new environmental policy , dramatically different secretary education worked others governors establish new approach education focuses tough standards , well increasing opportunity done enormous amount work political reform , campaign finance lobbying reform imposed tough ethics requirements administration 's officials things consistent said 'd campaign , turning country around vice president heading task force literally change way federal government operates make much responsive citizens country working whole range things welfare reform initiative , move people welfare work , course , massive amount work done health care issue , huge economic personal security problem millions americans think amazing much done done also passed family leave bill version motor voter bill come conference back yet everything passed except stimulus program think 're fine 're moving right direction feel good q sir , follow would n't say , though , one biggest initiatives , aid soviet russia , practically finished ca n't pass stimulus bill country , \? president let question little bit 's good question \( laughter \) 's good question , fair 've got already first round aid soviet non soviet russia , democratic russia , plainly going go , first 1 6 billion aid agreed partners g 7 provide international financial institutions , big dollar item , plainly going go question , get aid russia requires new appropriation united states congress \? question think , mary , resolved weeks ahead , part happens american workers jobs future think two things tied many members congress q report came morning , documenting horrendous nearly criminal conduct part navy much discuss incident might done nominee secretary navy \? president first , let comment little inspector general 's report details conduct wrong place armed services expect report acted appropriate way also want say american people report taken , disturbing list allegations thoroughly examined taken general indictment united states navy fine people serve specific allegations , pursued thing said secretary designate navy thing said , think , expected take report duty believe q mr president , back russia minute latest poll show mr yeltsin probably win vote confidence seems real toss whether voters going endorse economic reforms president understand q live split \( laughter \) live split decision , though , need passed order build support russian aid \? president believe answer question , united states , key question posed democracy , wins election wins election , ratified russian people continue president , think best work toward reform know , lot countries holocaust museum dedication leaders leaders eastern europe , leaders least one republic former soviet union terrible economic challenges convert communist command control economy market economy world 's economic slowdown everywhere world 's economic slowdown difficulty , leaders trouble policies popular poll n't produced results people earnestly understand confidence leadership , think 's ask united states russian people ratify president stick united states continue work think genuine democrat small genuinely committed reform think support q mr president , mr perot come strongly perceived behind line free trade agreement hard going fight free trade agreement expect see accomplished \? president think 'll agreement ready fairly near future know , people still working mexican government canadians side agreements 're trying work environmental agreement say , labor agreement say , way deal enforcement mexicans say , merit position , 're worried transferring sovereignty enforcement multilateral commission even united states , fair , folks worried giving hand , 're going environmental agreement labor standards agreement means something , ultimately consequences violating 're trying agree approach would say pattern violations keep violating past certain point maybe isolated incident , pattern violation going enforcement must consequences 're working details still feel quite good area disagree mr perot others think win big fair agreement integrates closely mexican economy american economy leads us chile market economies latin america , gives us bigger world trade think 's way rich country grow richer look japan countries pacific reach region , 's pretty good lesson us better worry build bridges area idea battle know , 've got lot questions want answer , let say every one things distilled simply politics know , 's 's , person , somebody else got lot things honestly involved real debates ideas , 's right wrong world toward 're moving answers self evident one reasons wanted run president wanted sort open debating ideas could try change appropriate way difference opinion believe concept sound , even though , know , thought details needed improved q mr president , tremendous flurry interest earlier month russian document purported show vietnamese held back american prisoners general vessey said publicly document authentic , believes incorrect personal view point issue \? broadly , believe , fact , vietnamese return american prisoners time paris peace accord \? president first let say , saw general vessey went vietnam returned high regard appreciate willingness serve country way whether document basis fact , let say government vietnam forthcoming past gave us documents would tend undermine validity russian documents claim know whether right wrong basically evaluated time , complete evaluation , 'll tell , course , want tell families missing action think 'll able make progress eliminating questions outstanding cases result last interchange , cannot say i'm fully satisfied know need know still cases n't know answer believe 're making progress encouraged last trip q 'd like follow u relations , allows trade go forward , personally sure every case resolved would willing go forward basis may take years resolve cases , vietnamese made sufficient offerings us confirm good faith \? president lot experts say never resolve every case , every one , could n't resolve cases still cases factually resolved , going back second world war would convinced gone long way toward resolving every case could resolved moment time , complete , open unrestricted commitment continue everything could done always keep resolving cases 're yet , guided little bit people know lot confess much heavily influenced families people whose lives lost , whose lives remain question commercial interest things seem compelling moment influenced families feel q economic stimulus package , kind reality check scaling back plans , legislative plans coming year , including crime bill , health care initiative things \? plans \? also , underestimate power senator bob dole \? president , underestimated extent thought fairly self evident case , particularly stayed spending caps approved congress , including republicans congress last year already passed budget resolution called 500 billion deficit reduction voted repeatedly supplemental appropriations help foreign governments , thought least four would vote break , underestimated adequate strategy dealing also thought made good faith effort negotiate compromise , would instead , every time offered something reduced offer previously talking majority leader strange set events think happened significant part plan , major part , acquired political connotation got proportion merits , lot republicans saying privately , mr president , 'd like , ca n't 're 're divided think need reality check said , want know let go back said want know folks friends senate republicans democrats could done differently make come differently real losers president administration real losers hundreds thousands people wo n't jobs could put another 700 , 000 kids work summer mean , could done lot good things money think , sad became political underlying rationale n't think holds lot water deficit spending wo n't wash q president mean , know , example mentioned crime bill think would real mistake pass crime bill mean , crime bill almost point passage last year fighting brady bill surely , surely country last three months , kind mindless violence seen , pass bill requiring people go waiting period buy handgun surely see need police officers street 's another thing really believe move money , jobs package make jobs police officers street 'd laid , would compelling case mean people scared country think need go forward feel strongly need go forward crime bill q mr president , back report second report contained strong criticism navy 's senior leadership general , name senior officers believe senior officers implicated , including admiral kelso one night las vegas , disciplined believe public right know names senior officers \? president know rules law apply , chain command inspector general 's report law must take course answer question might prejudice decisions might later made case n't really think think tell already said disturbed specific allegations inspector general 's report , want appropriate action taken proper procedures chance kick appropriate action taken , advised commander chief careful say prejudice rights anybody action might proceed prejudice case way either pro con ca n't say except say want thing handled appropriate thorough way q mr president , could ask clarification bosnia \? said considering introduction american forces include air forces well ground forces , sir \? president said ground forces q said ground forces could ask , sir , fear using u air strikes might draw united states ground war \? president n't want discuss evaluation options anymore 've told 's never serious discussion country introduction ground forces ongoing conflict q hundreds thousands gays washington weekend march , ever reconsider decision leave town weekend \? ever consider way participating activities \? president q \? president , basically , would n't participate think become president , balance , except unusual circumstances , done importantly , i'm going american society newspaper editors , trip presumably would want make , try focus anew think fundamental issues stake country right expect say something fact lot americans come , asking climate free discrimination asking , basically , able work hard live rules treated like american citizens , 's always position gays , others well thank much 48 p edt
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pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject vandalizing sky organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 69 rbunge access digex net \( robert bunge \) writes 's fine idea , works lighting power company even bothers supply good light fixtures instance , power company virginia recently asked state commission permission sell lights various type yet , different fixture sold wanted sell uh , ask state commision \? unless state 's buying process overhead power company selling different types light , efficient lights might planning future , go drain bad designs one wasted light thus , could n't even buy good light places , get good light , either order special high cost call store arizona could order special enough people , would low cost last checked , could use ups buy stuff arizona going finally , i'm sure state things like small factories machine shops could go business making lights cheaper use \( thanks higher efficiency fact n't wasting energy broadcasting space \) therefore better old style point , society starts make rules cars pass safety tests five year plans enacted planning economy fall apart companies meet pollution standards , etc clean air act really cleaned air two ways achieve educate public demand good lighting force code lighting companies backs history seems suggest latter likely work experience seems suggest 're trying hard educate \( methods used american schools make subject whatsoever relevant boring proto \) instead selling idea agreed , wo n't respond 's important realize people object various wild ideas presented like congress , would best consult astronomers lovers night sky try pr stunt boost public knowledge space well , wake space becoming field human endeavor instead something look long long way away practical space projects could conceivably \( although probably \) cause lots light pollution , argued grounds , even though might open possibilities , people could vacation mars wanted really dark skies bob bunge rbunge access digex com phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
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whit carson u washington edu \( john whitmore \) subject 8x oversampling cd player organization university washington , seattle lines 36 nntp posting host carson u washington edu keywords oversampling , cd , digitized audio article netcom com mcmahan netcom com \( dave mc mahan \) writes previous article , kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) writes article dd0 netcom com hcb netcom com \( h c bowman \) writes bought new portable cd player office , notice proudly proclaims 8 times oversampling box data ever read \( barring , course \) , eventually gets turned 44 1 khz , 16 bit , two channel data oversampling takes two discrete data points , interpolates n 1 points n times oversampling asked , people said interpolation simply linear interpolation , significantly complicated quite correct understanding case care , filtering method uses fir \( finite impulse response \) filter 'd guess cd makers use kind method anybody know real answer \? typical \( old 2x oversampling units \) thirteen tap fir , implemented dedicated hardware addition circuit kind speed \( slow , digital standards \) adder much less expensive analog components comparable precision gleaned information hardware manual old cd player design one would find similar info particular cd \( digital filter interesting component , point view \) , idea digital filter kind interpolation scheme \( read book numerical analysis , see broad term \) , john whitmore
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! ! ! white ! sapphire rtsg mot com ! shale ! dusek subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group nntp posting host shale lines 10 ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) writes cultists \) think 'll quote bbc quoting \( actually voice interview \) one two british survivors claimed fire started tanks caused internal wooden wall roof collapse knocking kerosene lamps suicide plan fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? james dusek
atg holmes acc virginia edu \( adrian gibson \) subject dayna etherprint adapters originator atg holmes acc virginia edu organization university virginia distribution usa lines 11 two brand new dayna etherprint adapters \( 10baset \) sale convert localtalk useful wanting hook localtalk network printer \( 10baset \) network sell 350 mac warehouse take 100 guaranteed email response atg virginia edu todd gibson \( 804 \) 979
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject car saftey important \? organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx lines 33 article conradie 49 firga sun ac za conradie firga sun ac za \( gerrit conradie \) writes much discussion economics safety deleted safety important buying car wo n't buy small car like civic whatever great safety handling speed seems would dead small car large car accident simplistic view safety assuming collision \( less likely smaller car \) , important factor well car sacrifice save thousand pound f1 car hit wall 200 driver walks everybody dies suburban hits wall 35 \( recall last generation suburban hic numbers \) aside , point airbag \? seems seatbelts \( audi et al \) , good tight 5 point belt prevent every moving far enough hit airbag might saved glass \? airbag lowest common denominator safety device use head collision wearing seat belt \? craig gerrit
isaackuo berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) subject drag free satellites organization u c berkeley math department lines 37 nntp posting host berkeley edu article cpva saic com thomsonal cpva saic com writes sat , 1 may 1993 23 13 39 gmt , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) said dragless satellite magically drag burns fuel constantly fight drag , maintaining exact orbit would drag well , almost turns clever orbital mechanics engineer things resonant interactions higher order harmonics earth 's gravitational field pump energy satellite , keep experiencing drag effects periods months years harmonic earth 's gravitational field \? harmonic earth 's gravitational field \? favorite example soviet russian heavy satellites cosmos 1603 class , 14 1 resonance 14 1 resonance \? 's like 's wavelength frequency earth 's gravitational field , might interesting interactions moon 's tidal effect 're talking \? probably little relevance space stations , since 71 degree orbits satellites 850 km , far inner van allen belt manned platforms 's kind interesting point view physics situation physics situation \? way see gravitational effects useful adding energy object orbiting earth sort interaction moon isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big
vlasis cybernet cse fau edu \( vlasis theodore \) subject 1994 mustang organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 63 know , i'm ford fan , must say , i'm looking forward next mustang faith fine product , desireable camaro know , 's mho true thats opinion beat ford market camaro firebird , really words production vehicles limited end year , keeping selling prices msrp part since many twitching camaro fans would n't press ford hurry mustang since final wait could worth besides , bow tie fanatic gonna buy mustang anyway true would n't take free mustang honest next mustang ford 's highest profile car attracts way attention camaro firebird 's heritage embedded general public n't lie believe ford forfeit fyi already bad current mustang ca n't even compete new camaro without using active imagination right cars compare '93 camaro , think 20 , 000 car perform exotics swearing look stats n't lie comparable cars 's class , price know , intelligent , critical like , mustang bites , man ! already beginning predict mustang camaro comparable performers , usual also agree , subject one never except maybe track \) unless ford gets , romeo n't seriously believe designed mark viii , \? hey , imagine potential modified lt 1 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! folks years surpass levels performance achieved late '60 's , thats scary ford vs chevy people must live planet detroit like say , enough horsepower anything fly put v 8 twin garret 4s yugo get 7 qm thats useless still yugo loose race track , street detroit beings compared ultra long throw stick shifts 5 0 93 mr2 turbo 93 rx7 \( buy 6 mos \) \? differential rx7 compared differential 5 0 sounds every turn \? way 5 0 camaro drums rear breaks hello , 90 's \? vlasis theodore software engineer say signatures
bgardner bambam es com \( blaine gardner \) subject boom ! dog attack ! nntp posting host bambam organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 26 article bong slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu \( eric bong \) writes article cbnews cb att com , nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) wrote worked lean towards dog modulated throttle keep ankle ahead teeth seconds warm pipe firmly wedged shoulder turned face sideways see warm got mouth nose muzzle burned pipes bicycling technique 've employed use frame mounted tire pump fend dog attacks one brothers spent lot time practicing bizzare tricks bike said repelled dog attack picking rear bike dog side head rear wheel dog idea hit , fled quite rapidly , could jump garbage cans without ramp , n't think 'd care try one motorcycle telephone worked much better tire pump 's almost unfair , 've never seen dog could use phone \) blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
donald cc utexas edu subject suggestions com redirection needed ! organization university texas austin lines 11 distribution usa nntp posting host donald cc utexas edu summary help wfwg help ! trying find software allow com port redirection windows workgroups anyone make suggestion something would really hate write driver serial port would support network , next step thanks advance
bks2 cbnewsi cb att com \( bryan k strouse \) subject nhl playoff results games played 4 21 93 organization keywords division semis game 2 lines 129 nhl playoff results 4 21 93 conference semi finals best seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf \( leads 2 0 \) stl \( leads 2 0 \) win pit \( leads 2 0 \) bos chi van \( leads 2 0 \) nyi \( tied 1 1 \) mon tor la \( tied 1 1 \) que \( leads 2 0 \) det \( leads 2 0 \) cal toronto maple leafs 0 1 1 2 detroit red wings \( leads series 2 0 \) 1 3 2 6 1st period det , lidstrom 1 \( yzerman , coffey \) \( pp \) 4 06 2nd period det , fedorov 1 \( sh \) 0 43 det , yzerman 2 \( coffey , chiasson \) \( pp \) 8 06 det , yzerman 3 \( coffey , sheppard \) 17 40 tor , mironov 1 \( gill , gilmour \) 19 10 3rd period tor , gilmour 2 \( anderson \) 4 32 det , ysebaert 1 \( kozlov \) 5 51 det , drake 1 \( kozlov , kennedy \) 18 33 powerplay opportunities maple leafs 1 8 red wings 2 7 shots goal maple leafs 10 7 13 30 red wings 16 11 3 30 toronto maple leafs potvin \( 0 2 \) \( 30 shots 24 saves \) detroit red wings cheveldae \( 2 0 \) \( 30 shots 28 saves \) att 19 , 875 st louis blues \( leads series 2 0 \) 2 0 0 2 chicago blackhawks 0 0 0 0 1st period stl , hull 2 \( brown , janney \) \( pp \) 7 38 stl , lowry 1 \( sh \) 13 53 2nd period none 3rd period none powerplay opportunities blues 1 5 blackhawks 0 6 shots goal blues 9 3 5 17 blackhawks 16 19 12 47 st louis blues joseph \( 2 0 \) \( 47 shots 45 saves \) chicago blackhawks belfour \( 0 2 \) \( 17 shots 15 saves \) att 17 , 339 los angeles kings \( series tied 1 1 \) 1 0 3 4 calgary flames 0 5 4 9 1st period lak , carson 3 1 11 2nd period cal , otto 1 \( roberts , macinnis \) 5 02 cal , yawney 2 \( dahlquist , ranheim \) 8 02 cal , reichel 1 \( fleury \) \( pp \) 10 52 cal , nieuwendyk 1 \( roberts , musil \) 13 47 cal , otto 2 \( dahl \) \( sh \) 19 37 3rd period lak , carson 4 \( granato , shuchuk \) 5 34 cal , reichel 2 \( fleury , macinnis \) \( pp \) 7 23 cal , paslawski 1 \( roberts , nieuwendyk \) 8 14 cal , fleury 1 \( macinnis , nieuwendyk \) \( pp \) 10 37 lak , rychel 1 \( blake \) 11 56 lak , kurri 1 \( gretzky , zhitnik \) \( pp \) 15 22 cal , suter 2 \( skrudland , berube \) 19 15 powerplay opportunities kings 1 7 flames 3 6 shots goal kings 14 8 9 31 flames 9 16 15 40 los angeles kings hrudey \( 1 1 \) \( 40 shots 31 saves \) calgary flames vernon \( 1 1 \) \( 31 shots 27 saves \) att 19 , 477 winnipeg jets 0 1 1 2 vancouver canucks \( leads series 2 0 \) 1 1 1 3 1st period van , ronning 2 \( courtnall , linden \) 11 37 2nd period van , courtnall 1 6 05 win , domi 1 \( king , barnes \) 6 48 3rd period win , numminen 1 \( housley , selanne \) \( pp \) 0 30 van , bure 1 \( adams , craven \) 4 01 powerplay opportunities jets 1 4 canucks 0 3 shots goal jets 6 10 6 22 canucks 14 9 9 32 winnipeg jets essensa \( 0 2 \) \( 32 shots 29 saves \) vancouver canucks mclean \( 2 0 \) \( 22 shots 20 saves \) att 15 , 729 spike
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject funny car taxes \( market access \) organization delco electronics corp distribution na lines 20 article agate berkeley edu robohen ocf berkeley edu \( henry robertson \) writes keep mind owning car korea luxury ruling class afford every government agency worth salt finds reason levy tax car ownership last heard , seven different fees pay car used tax greece named queen 's mother queen left \( monarchy abolished \) tax stuck similar single purpose taxes stuck \( e help victims earthquake , build metro \) next time someone proposes car tax gasoline tax promising 's temporary , ain't spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject free moral agency organization sgi lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes okay humans direct descendents bunch hopeful monsters human race n't evolve one set parents , thousands really base atheist \? article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes truly brilliant rebuttal apparently opinion ridicule suitable substitute reason 'll find plenty company bill conner , meet bill conner jon
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject yankee thoughts lines 38 article 1993apr20 clam com , sam steamer clam com \( sam mandelbaum \) says yes everyone seems agreement yankees finally moving right direction finish 500 year maybe even pennent race august however , would take back moves 1 jim abbott trade ! terrific trade snow certainly better mattingly future , 'll defensible opinion abbott one truly great pitchers game today 2 wade boggs i'm sure one think 's good , pre 1992 boggs kicks hayes ass , 1992 boggs still n't 's bad , though , yankees expect pre 1992 boggs , probably get 1992 boggs however , 'd still play boggs hayes bam bam 3 spike owen full agreement 's much better velarde , silvestri lock better however , enjoy fact spike nickname helps yankees 4 danny tartabull strongly disagree 'd much much rather hundred games tartabull sixty games dion james 162 games james bob vesterman
subject key registering bodies rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 16 7hl netcom com nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes since law requires wiretaps requested executive branch approved judicial branch , seems clear one key registering bodies control judicial branch suggest supreme court , , regionally , courts appeal specifically , offices clerks makes sense half must non government escrow \( still like eff , admin security tested \) arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject islamic genocide organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 110 distribution world nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article bd6 horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes noting particular society , case mainland uk , religously motivated murders , murders kind , says little whether inter religion murders elsewhere religiously motivated , allows one conclude nothing inherent religion \( matter , catholicism protestantism \) motivates one kill motivates allows \? christian bible says one may kill certain circumstances fact , instructs one kill certain circumstances 'd say majority people moral system instructs kill certain circumstances get distinction motivate allow , agree flavour theism , 's indictment theism rather depends talk christianity , islam , least claims understood 's people go general statement theism falls apart one could believe god instructs one utterly harmless part , conclude something else required also happen believe something else work less well without religion easy us religion supply , easy us \? necessarily love thy neighbour supply us definition religion broader definition theism , explained insisting even murder four , chosen catholics , nothing ira , protestant extremists , religously motivated , think saying simply accept murder religiously motivated guy cut someone 's head believed devil incarnate \? religously motivated protestant extremists killed four catholic \? n't religiously motivated \? opinion obscure point theology , yes since protestants n't \( elect extremists \) , 's broad say religion i'm saying causes far complex take away religious element , 'd still powerful motives revenge misguided patriotism know , catholics protestants worldwide say , one might listen , especially claim read minds also , murders ensuing fatwa mr rushdie , inquisitions , many religous wars 's special exceptions \? n't grab bag ad hoc excuses considering murders religiously motivated \? 's general principle behind \? general principle 's fairly clear \( , least \) religion primary motivator \( enabler , whatever \) 's nearly obvious 's going one looks ni , apart violence course 's abstract argument northern irish protestants say n't want absorbed officially catholic country supposed \? supposed reply , 's think n't want mr o'dwyer assures us matter say want , really want something else \? think would n't mind absorbed non catholic country \( uk course \) \? 's terrible thing lose mind maybe word country kicks certainly n't believe god think wish maintain position privilege i'm still listening say , still telling us version think read minds , n't 've speculated motives often enough , n't take statements beliefs face value therefore claim read minds credibility , sorry also note fail answer question looks much like axe grind especially indeed ignoring protestants say stop killing people refer properly described , protestants position privilege , religion based \? based politics , bigotry , heartless extremism none things synonymous religion , though certainly overlap frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
car access digex net \( mr blue \) subject rookie questions organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 27 nntp posting host access digex net im new xlib programming im problem hope someone help create window , want background color , say red , draw oval , resize window , want able redraw image fills new window \( whether larger smaller \) im using rs6000 problem resize window , original part window part window creation gets drawn everything else grey oval tries redraw gets clipped see would right size could see , shows region original size window created example , start window width height resize , part color drawn origin rest grey oval shows area wrong \? \? get window resize redraw scaled image take full size window \? second question could someone tell xaw xmu \? \? \? thanks , chris
bmaraldo watserv1 uwaterloo ca \( commander brett maraldo \) subject headphones akg \( 200 \) sale organization university waterloo distribution na lines 17 pair akg nearly new condition sale used studio monitoring original box use electret element dynamic element ear cup built smooth frequency response electrostatic element gives clearer asking 200 pair brett maraldo plexus unit 36 research alien technology today bmaraldo watserv1 uwaterloo ca uunet ! clyde ! utai ! watserv1 ! bmaraldo
nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization lines 10 worked lean towards dog modulated throttle keep ankle ahead teeth seconds warm pipe firmly wedged shoulder turned face sideways see warm got mouth nose muzzle burned pipes one yip away , never chase neil kirby dod nak archie att com bell labs columbus oh usa \( 614 \) 860 think speak might lawyers sense
alan saturn cs swin oz au \( alan christiansen \) subject fast polygon routine needed organization swinburne university technology lines 49 nntp posting host saturn cs swin oz au keywords polygon , needed osprey ux4 cso uiuc edu \( lucas adamski \) writes article pdxgate uucp idr rigel cs pdx edu \( ian romanick \) writes kind polygons \? shaded \? \? hm \? comes play fast routines polygons would nice know exaclty system \( vga start , processor \? \) specifics implementation need give info want get answers ! p n't want texture mapped , cause 'd asked \) simple fast routine filled polygons processor , 'd minimum 286 maybe 386 ca n't find good one 286s ideally , want polyn function clip user defined viewport , write arbitrary location memory course chances ok game 3d listed characteristics looking think may left important parameters polygons convex less n sides \( drawing meshes walls doors etc \) believe algorithms get draw convex polygons much efficient draw concave self intersecting polygons efficiency largely attributed fact simple convex polygons left right edge scan line complex \( figure 8 type polygons \) bit trickier less n sides specification especially small number like 3 4 allow made thus high speed game application think looking code exploits hence limited drawing simple convex polygons finding something like pretty remote , guess 'd need source oh , guess would need asm otherwise 'd slow 've seen polygon routines c , 've slow 3d vector graphics program 've hunting high low may general purpose algorithms limit 3 four sided simple convex polygons think might suprised fast c algorithm asm block move fill scan line might actually polyn function asm , ca n't find one anywhere use 've found one two polyn functions , asm pretty bad , wo n't even try rewrite \) lucas
mokler desert berlin de \( claudius mokler \) subject true type atm \? organization private site lines 18 seen point view , atm using postscript fonts better truetype hinting mechanism incorporated ps gorgeous users may see limit possible different characters ps font may better use features tt fonts \( windows nt \) 've seen lots really beautiful small size ps fonts n't seen tt fonts rendering quite inaccurate \( small sizes , esp screen fonts \) simply compare ps font tt font first looks better hoping atm nt ! claudius mokler e mail mokler desert berlin de
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization stratus computer , inc lines 52 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article charnel ecst csuchico edu , nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) writes clinton responsible \? law enforcement action granted , nationally covered incident clinton outcome fred think clinton conceived \? think clinton ordered \? think clinton aware went \? think clinton aware went \? course n't \? think clinton people certain extent believed batf crap child abuse stockpiling evil semi automatic weapons \? yes think clinton ever questioned federal jurisdiction matter \? think clinton ever considered civil rights victims \? rest , wo n't argue whether batf handled initial confrontation well \( \) day 2 , problem way operation handled decisions made us suspect unlawful mistakes made day 1 made government 's end makes days 2 51 nothing macho alternative delivering apology day 51 , long fbi batf n't intentionally set fire , certainly tragic , majority americans \( according recent poll \) problems operation gives good goddamn bullshit opinion poll americans \? americans swallow government line 're fed 're stupid , 's line ever hear americans thought staff mcmaster \( \? \) school guilty , guilty , guilty woops , turns n't americans thought black slaves n't human beings woops , wrong americans thought saddam hussein antichrist oh dear , special friend american government two years previously know , maybe truth determined majority vote half informed public fact , americans \( according poll \) think resolved sooner 're interrupting cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
jhpark kdb ac kr \( park ho \) subject x11r5 ibm rs6000 lines 18 , everybody \? installed x11r5 ibm rs6000 workstation os version aix 3 2 3 problem installation problem invoking 'xinit' invoke 'xinit' , error message follows giving xinit unable connect x server xinit process \( errno 3 \) server error i'm n't know reason get message please help waiting help thanks reading mail park ho \( jhpark kdb ac kr \)
wjhovi01 ulkyvx louisville edu subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university louisville lines 19 bruce liv ac uk \( bruce stephens \) suggests different levels acceptance homosexuality 1 \) regard homosexual orientation sin \( evil , whatever \) 2 \) regard homosexual behaviour sin , accept orientation \( though presumably orientation unfortunate \) dislike people indulge 3 \) 2 , love sinner 4 \) accept homosexuality altogether would add 4' churches accept homosexual orientation hold people certain standards sexual behavior promiscuity , abuse power relationships , harrassment , equally place lives homosexual heterosexual people course , would bring dread homosexual marriage , could n't ! \) billh
sr hp com \( bob \) subject get new york taxi \? distribution na organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 41 wharfie \( wrat unisql uucp \) wrote article srgenprp sr hp com sr hp com \( bob \) writes hose h e dork r k oh , really \? 's posted earlier another thread thrash others making simple mistakes flaunt wonderful vi skill , think make feel well look \( spelled right \) years assaulted others offensive language , etc content many posts , appear lot useful information share people , gets come across abusive smart ass wharfie \( wrat unisql uucp \) wrote article mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( z \) writes remember roads america designed speeds 80 meaning would safe 55 65 roads like autobahn smoother , , wider slightly banked well , 's news 1975 speed limit texas highways 75 speed limit new jersey turnpike \( 95 \) 70 speed limits nevada montana east becoming hidden trees 1 , 000 ft continued left strait north wanted turn north , checked south lane , rolled straight r g h
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject laws god \( kind loving god ! ! \) organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 30 article 1993apr22 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote eternal damnation consequence choice one makes rejecting god choose jump cliff , hardly blame god going splat bottom knows choose jump , die prevent making choice fact , sent son stand edge cliff tell everyone lies prove point , jesus took plunge god able rise seen example christ chosen jump i'm trying tell jump else 'll go splat n't listen wo n't stop decide jump ask check taking plunge owe n't like seeing anyone go splat i'm moment interested notion established kierkegaard clearly points possible solution transcendental values n't understand also clearly shows system leap transcendental direction equal words might jump cliff mentioned , time decide direction go actually cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven casburn \) subject flames net flames waco nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 25 article goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wa j warf \) writes article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvin e \) writes wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? moron illiterate \? oh , forgot , 're guy n't know microwave oven need electricity , never mind 're guy n't know illiterate people ca n't write coherent sentences make superior somehow \? steve steve casburn \( scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu \) across page across ages moving hand history kinder eye see us dream mark king
mpdillon halcyon com \( michael dillon \) subject mgr naplps gui bbs organization world information fingertips lines 46 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com hi , looking methods use turn linux based bbs full color graphical bbs supports pc , mac , linux , amiga callers originally inspired naplps graphics standard \( summary hit group 2 weeks ago \) posted document \( forgot part 1 6 etc \) summary , complete technical description protocol simtel wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos naplps following software availability naplps supporting software find terminal programs commercial resonable shareware one runs msdos machines leaving mac amiga users buy full commercial software want try bbs \( know would n't \) next interesting possibility port mgr pc , mac , amiga write naplps decoder choice platform release code net \? willing souls help port platforms naplps designed type online interactive graphics much x , x intended high bandwidth network connections , naplps optimized low bandwidth modem connections color version mgr linux \? anyone suggestions linux based gui bbs \? i'm sure receive suggestions look way wanted provide full network connection linux modem would use slip ppp would invent new way \? people would say slip ppp exist reasonably well designed protocols , lets implement see way naplps existing , well thought , extensible protocol online graphics , implement need advice implementation , e mail currently getting beta version coreldraw naplps converter working well enough release may 15 someone else get going freely available naplps decoder , intend get conversion program beta , get couple things done michael dillon internet mpdillon halcyon halcyon com c 4 powerhouse fidonet 1 353 350 rr 2 armstrong , bc voice 1 604 546 canada bbs 1 604 546
mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) subject write clinton organization trusted information systems , inc lines 32 distribution inet nntp posting host sol tis com 0005895485 mcimail com \( white house \) white house e mail address really working yet \? someone posted address compuserve months ago , apparently white house n't really set hundreds \( thousands \? \) real address understanding current process mail takes gets downloaded floppy disk processed volunteers , match message message profiles check message count \( e yeah , 's gays military 's clipper stuff \? must gays military \) higher volume white house email stuff works , know fact , wo n't online probably another month two understanding link speed increase \( direct internet instead compu erve floppy \) message processing remain unless people white house print distribute mail every day , may better luck printing letter \( paper , flat white stuff desk \) snail mailing white house imagine writing local representative senator would n't hurt either heck , write al gore 're \? white house email get read agree printing sending cc everyone think probably better visible , message processing \( fitting messages template \) either case mjr
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization partnership america free drug lines 34 amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) writes need alternative nsa bugged telephones , 're talking inexpensive telephones , including hand sized , need strong crypto , real privacy start company build still mostly capitalist economy qualcomm spare cycles dsps new cdma digital cellular phones wanted put strong crypto since capacity government decided discourage really , none stuff especially hard need true private phone isdn codec , vocoder \( either chip software \) , encryptor \( chip fine , software fast enough \) , v 32 v 32bis modem module , maybe microcontroller run whole thing easy , cheap normal company trying put one likely get visit boys dark suits washington , like qualcomm suspect companies like cylink tolerated products expensive however , law yet stops one building really private phones , spite hints administration made discussing new crime bill connection clipper skipjack big brother chip someone build unit better yet , prehaps someone produce package turns 486 box sound card secure phone perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
loki acca nmsu edu \( entropic destroyer \) subject letter colorado daily organization new mexico state university lines 85 nntp posting host nmsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 colorado daily recently reprinted wall street journal 's article paxton quigley , including nefarious little paragraph journal tacked onto end recieving much assistance various p g type folks , wrote letter editor criticizing last paragraph , surprise , surprise , surprise , published text follows colorado daily , btw , university colorado \( boulder \) student \( think \) newspaper exactly big coup , every little bit , guess \( title thing changed added \) gun stats daily recently reprinted article wall street journal , primarily concerned paxton quigley , author armed female article , turn , cites misleading statistic originally reported new england journal medicine article states , study found gun home 43 times likely used kill owner , spouse , friend , child kill intruder often quoted statistic , misleading reasons , outlined study gives impression , gun , likelihood successfully use defend less gun turned study , however , fails take account cases law abiding citizen uses gun thwart crime , without actually killing study actually refers rather would include friendly thug shows like , every month , second grandmother social security check possibly acquaintance , hardly friend nejm study based immediate dis position cases fails take account cases originally filed homicides later ruled self defense especially considering small sample size \( 396 \) , taking events account sub effect 43 1 ratio quoted gary kleck gives us slightly dif statistic gun 33 times likely used , successfully , private citizen aggressor kill anyone , per sons defending aggression using gun fare better resist means , offer resistance statistics available fbi agencies also show gun 245 times likely used non criminal defend criminal threat used commit criminal homicide , 535 times likely used defend criminal threat accidentally kill anybody , 50 times likely defend criminal threat used commit suicide well keep mind nearly anything proved uncritical quotation statistics one consider carefully questions asked gathering data one draw rate conclusion f taylor cu department chemistry biochemistry revolution , assasination , , cobalt 60 , , cia , nsa , shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send something even ca n't read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject hits stolen left field 1992 keywords defense left organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 105 disclaimer fun computerized baseball game , keep track category called stolen hits , defined play made average fielder would make average effort using 1992 defensive averages posted sherri nichols \( thanks sherri ! \) , 've figured defensive stats hits stolen redefined plays kevin bass would made ok , realize 's unfair kevin 's probably victim pitching staff , fluke shots , monster park factor let 's put way replaced every league someone kevin 's 49 4 making ability , many extra hits would go \? try correlate reality little , 've calculated net hits stolen , based number outs made compared league average fielder would make method 've calculated net extra bases \( doubles triples let \) finally , throw formula call defensive contribution , dcon basically , represents defensive contribution player add number ops get dops \( defense plus slug \) , represent player 's total contribution team n't take seriously formula dcon appears end article short version definition terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases hits prevented , rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure player 's total contribution national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops gonzalez , l 63 28 20 192 866 gilkey , b 52 23 14 150 941 clark , g 46 11 11 065 726 alou , 20 3 12 052 835 bonds , b 54 9 7 1 099 may , 21 0 7 020 659 gant , r 31 5 2 715 bass , k 0 24 4 126 600 ordered dops 1 099 bonds 941 gilkey 866 gonzalez 835 alou 726 clark 718 nl average 715 gant 659 may 600 bass american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops raines , 53 22 20 111 896 anderson , b 65 30 8 102 924 henderson , r 43 20 4 101 984 vaughn , g 55 27 3 095 817 , 25 4 8 038 699 hall , 29 6 2 756 mack , 38 6 8 005 866 polonia , l 10 11 10 647 mcreynolds , k 13 8 9 711 , c 9 21 12 105 714 reimer , k 5 18 16 102 671 order dops 984 henderson 924 anderson 896 raines 866 mack 817 vaughn 756 hall 733 al average 714 711 mcreynolds 699 671 reimer 647 polonia discussion dcon formula \( \( nhs ndp \) pa \) \( \( nhs ndp neb \) ab \) bizzare formula \? basically , 's designed added ops , idea run prevented important run scored extra outs factored obp , extra bases removed factored slg 's used pa ab discussion see post hits stolen first base 1992 dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) subject nose picking keywords nose picking organization university missouri lines 9 two ask 1 \) cause body harm one picks one 's nose \? example , might lead loss ability smell \? 2 \) harmful one eat one 's nose \? stephen
\( \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 25 article transfer stratus com , cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) wrote perhaps 've rock since , say , turn century one man supposed review every single freaking governmental action , every day \? 's executive branch reviewed plan said go , n't architect n't , hand , implementing yes , responsible sense briefed ! shit happens hey , joe assuming 're old enough remember feel presidential responsibility every time reagan said n't recall arms hostages meetings ollie north gang \? feel bush said loop decision right thick \? oh , right responsible sense briefed , shit happens ! said \? course 's little difference formulating foreign policy overseeing atf 's handling scenario involving group religious fanatics people compare apples oranges \? joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) subject using generated power large sound systems \? organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines 34 nntp posting host grissom larc nasa gov article slack sim es com slack sim es com \( pete \) writes 've bothered rental shops audio shops problem , precious little experience dealing generated power suspicion n't really need anything larger could resolved transformer sort nope problem either caused excessive voltage drop long cable generator , plain enough power would suspect amps going draw lot current short peaks try using larger \( shorter \) cables generator , try strapping amps 240v service running 240v mains cables , minimize line drop n't work , though , 're going need bigger generator assume 're using well maintained generators , watched voltage output generator properly n't 120v coming unloaded generator 'll never get 120v end anyone offer advice \? want lot outdoor events summer , would nice power problem could resolved easily 've looking buying power pack could tap junction boxes directly , idea start one would resolve generator problems well would high value recommend talk electrician experience sort work , pro audio people also , recommend n't try tap junction boxes , hire licensed electrician n't really know 've clean two people nearly killed playing hot 200a boxes , n't much fun scott
christopher bruce andrew cmu edu subject hardware fits mail order organization senior , chemistry , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 distribution usa nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply netcom com ordered external floppy drive 2 years ago placed order , said stock would ship next day week passed drive called said stock drive ship 2 weeks since needed drive right away \( internal hard drive floppy dead \) cancelled order n't dealt since chris andrew cmu edu
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject profile organization university illinois urbana lines 38 chip ucdavis edu \( \) writes adam shostack \( adam endor uucp \) even though point article seemed flame , felt point lions share us foreign aid goes germany , us stationed hundered thousand troops 40 years , germans kicked economic collective ass money goes israel miniscule compared goes germany evasive comparison ! u troops stationed germany anywhere else world foreign aid , ! sure 're closet holocaust revisionist , adam \? \? \? suggestion write congressman senator ask official definition foreign aid recipients israel definitely top heap , matter try twist truth n't pull head ass reality \? first , deal subject lines \? think funny \? ha ha developed sense humor , i'm surprised let cage n't talk official definition foreign aid talk money really spent money spent troops germany \( ie paying troops , maintaining bases equip , etc \) israel plus , israel ask us send troops fight battles look amount money spent defending korean shipping lanes , norway , trouble spots world , see aid israel practical standpoint much israel gets \( assuming buy feeble argument \) \? point \? want subsidize israel \? well , two options 1 \) start campaign , get elected president , force congress cut aid israel 2 \) get fuck ! n't like country operates ca n't change move iran something love , ed
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks lines 36 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article 1993apr23 7011 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) writes article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time right first time \? murdered \? used tanks \? maybe enough evidence list presented date , n't seen anything illegal claim bd 's bought components convert weapons class iii devices , evidence done fact , class iii ffl living , may legal \( given recent court rulings \) really meant say atf done right thing want bd 's dead \? dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject new study gay percentage organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 24 article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation also lie 10 keep politicians scared 1 n't shown disproportionate involvement 2 janus report , came recently , gives 9 percentage exclusively predominantly gay men 3 one presumably going say 're gay 're doubt going hide homosexuality surveys thus 1 2 lower limit still say weighing evidence gives likely percentage 5 7 brian kane buast7 , astro bu edu \( hot young star \) astronomy dept , boston university , boston , 02215 true personal salvation achieved absolute faith ones true self
frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) subject help adjust tappits organization , x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 20 christopher g karras \( cgkarras world std com \) wrote adjusting shims cam valve , question buy full set shims starting adjustment process , calculate shims need run dealer cage see right shims stock \? obviously latter would cheaper \( shims cost \? \) , measurements shim need reliable enough buy indicated shims \? buy need would cost lot buy full set , wo n't ever use good luck calculation method never change one size increment time \( never needed change larger next size , usually \) cost yamaha frank ball 1ur frankb sad hp com \( 707 \) 794 4168 work , hewlett packard \( 707 \) 794 3844 fax , \( 707 \) 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 , xt350 , seca 750 , '62 f 100 , pl510 park ca 4999 , law , ama , dod , i'm nra
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject hp laserjet iii sale organization lehigh university lines 13 article aludra usc edu , yuanchie aludra usc edu \( roger hsu \) writes hi , hp laserjet iii sale 's printed less 1500 pages according self test report asking 1000 interested , please e mail thanks ! get new newer model cheaper price thru mail order believed reincarnation former life
netcom com \( roger \) subject clayton asshole \( already know \) organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 35 's hypothetical question clayton said something like really stupid \( please n't offended , i'm racist merely using example clayton 's logic \) said read report lot blacks inner cities dropped school , bet would n't support yet claim homosexuals dishonest , evil , lying child molesters without personally single homosexual friend acquaintance 'll sit support god created place bigots 's called hell clayton going burn long time pray find heart christian values learn love gay brothers sisters , anyone much hatred soul never righteous difference supporting opinions supporting right speak want know cannot educate elevate ones understanding calling names clayton opinion mind valid opinion anyone else net walk black person talk blacks inner city began conversation th would lose attention black person time spoke second word name calling remarks turn audience trying address clayton guilty distracted attention away message bits pieces conversation n't understand people want repeat mistakes ! netcom com com hanging tips finger edge internet
sage cc purdue edu \( moi \) subject keywords organization purdue university lines 4 chicago cubs mailing list \? \? , 'd like join help appreciated
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject bible available every language \( satanic tounges \) organization university colorado , boulder lines 23 article may 9 05 38 18 1993 27323 athos rutgers edu bjorn b larsen delab sintef writes article may 5 02 53 10 1993 athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes concept tongues used pentecost seems outdated concept bible available nearly every language , missionaries languages , church need tongues \? guess least people able support claim still lot languages without bible , part bible still many languages able write , simply written version language yet defined ! yes , suppose 's true course , notice qualified nearly every language \) missionaries speak every imaginable language dialect , fact languages written gospel lends credence concept pentecost type since tongues occur places un written language , rather churches full people written language bible language
hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov \( les hartzman \) subject plus hardcard owners help ! organization jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , ca lines 21 distribution na nntp posting host kilroy jpl nasa gov article usenet ins cwru edu po cwru edu \( eric v wong \) writes hi , problem , 've lost software drivers setup programs hardcard someone email files , let know plus development \( bought quantum \? \) bbs phone \? hardcard ii quantum bbs number 408 894 3214 good luck les les hartzman hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov jet propulsion laboratory 238 528 \( 818 \) 354 4800 oak grove dr , pasadena , ca 91109
nb rockwell com \( scott \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization rockwell international lines 79 may 13 02 30 39 1993 1545 geneva rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) writes article may 11 02 39 05 1993 28328 athos rutgers edu carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) writes bible verses ag used ag homosexuality deleted anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion also check episcopal church although means episcopalians sympathetic homosexual men women , certainly fairly large percentage \( experience \) good friends episcopalian minister ordained living monogamous homosexual relationship way diminishes ability minister fact significant ministry gay lesbian association community , well significant aids ministry may sound , pro homosexual crowd give support church members involved incestuous relationships \? little substitution , get although means episcopalians sympathetic incestuous men women , certainly fairly percentage \( experience \) good friends episcopalian minister ordained living monogamous relationship way diminishes ability minister fact significant ministry incest association community standards apply \? , \? 're ballpark , bestiality \? ca n't recall offhand direct statements bible regarding sex animals activity less sanction \? please avoid responses 're taking extremes would guess disproportionate percentage inerrant bible community views homosexual acts manner society large views incest scott \( 714 \) 833 scott nb rockwell com came davidians , speak davidian came opinions expressed mine represent rockwell obviously replace homosexuality statement anything murder sleeping late n't mean people would accept question whether relationships involved fact form appropriate vehicle represent christ 's relationship humanity least partly empirical question cases types human relationship rejected time always seem lead trouble think 's case slavery one argue theory , follow paul 's guidelines , 's possible christian practice , period time , people came conclusion nobody really degree control another abuse message responding asking look results christian communities endorse homosexuality \( note christian homosexuals , people see news advocating extremist agenda \) may want base decision completely kind observation , would argue 's least relevant ca n't answer request asking n't look incest association , fact association , might reasonable look course n't mean results examinations would necessarily come way part n't groups pushing possible relaxed standards produce obviously bad results clh
johnson pb wes mot com \( johnson \) subject nw chicago suburbs cheap car sale organization motorola land mobile products sector distribution usa nntp posting host 129 188 176 18 lines 9 79 toyota corolla 4d hatchback , runs ok , needs dents , serious brake work miscellaneous tlc excellent auto shop project 250 obo see schaumburg \( 708 \) 658 , \( 708 \) 576 , email johnson behind every absurdity lies basic truth johnson wes mot com behind every basic truth lies absurdity
dds doc ic ac uk \( \) subject greek comint installation \( secret source announcement \) organization dept computing , imperial college , england lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host scorch doc ic ac uk summary old us military base keywords marathon us base nea article 1993apr22 158 cathy ijs si , borut b lavrencic ijs si article netcom com , grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) writes popular cipher systems captured soviet spies one time pad , even necessity keeping incriminating evidence , known proven unbreakable system soviet paranoia , right \? think nsa \? huge pointed embassy row \? sites near satellite uplink downlink sites \? duh one case paranoia upon time tried walk \( famous \) marathon field , far away athens could mostly field huge antenna farm probably greek comint installation , would agree \? sure field area found antenna farm \? tomb \( \) marathon herodotus specifies near fighting area area open public must referring u army base nea built u manner bases world \( w germany , spain , philippines , turkey etc \) built think telecommunications hub recent years u forces withdrawn base removed military equipment area currently control greek navy interested parties \( local goverment , central goverment , political parties agree done land \( park , recreation area , real estate \) \( nothing cryptography , security eff redirected followups soc culture greek \) internet dds doc ic ac uk uucp ! uknet ! ! dds department computing , imperial college , london sw7 include dev tty
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject holocaust revisited organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 41 1993apr21 dct ac uk dct ac uk \( john bell \) manages know , john , kept follow line talk politics guns , might taken bit seriously would least implied backbone , perhaps modicum willingness present views support guess know better people dumb enough give money possessions guy says 's jesus deserve get really \? 's interesting , always opinion people dumb enough keep monarchy around support tax funds said monarchy merely deserve get , example \? nothing \? enjoy helping foot anyway , killed feds killed people , including one child last report \? federal agent license kill 's cnn indicating atf fbi actually start fires would mean feds killed 100 people 're hot assign blame , make sure n't overlook obvious 's goddam hero montgomery n't much hero , either amazing different things look side pond , n't \? think makes much difference usa , though , good reason vote 'll take rhetoric bit seriously right , 're merely waste trans atlantic bandwidth 's dead an' i'm happy ! ! ! ! ! proof positive ignorance really bliss dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
rstimets silver ucs indiana edu \( robert stimets \) subject belcher terrific tomlin reds win 5 0 4 20 nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 154 tim belcher pitched dandy three hit shut tonight cincinnati second straight 5 0 pittsburgh lefty randy tomlin hit early often heavily right unbalanced reds line , managed recently rare power bats belcher \( 1 1 \) solid throughout fact seemed get stronger game progressed early several three ball counts , even far later allowed one base balls striking nine post game interview said change working say nine strikeouts apparently breaking balls tomlin \( 0 1 \) , hand trouble early , giving second pitch double lead batter roberts bobby kelly followed single barry larkin scored roberts sharp single right big guys \( mitchell , sabo , milligan \) unable get anything fact struck kelly managed score anyway due double steal tomlin wild pitch fact , appeared tomlin going recover nicely shaky start retired 9 next 11 batters get fourth behind 2 0 randy milligan , though , different ideas line shot poorly played orlando merced turned triple milligan would later score reggie sacrifice fly , giving 3 0 lead 4 fifth inning spelled loss tomlin roberts led second double game , one batter later larkin smacked double left field line , chasing tomlin barry later would score final run tom prince 's two base passed ball pirates managed threat day bottom half fifth merced kevin young hit back back singles \( second bunt variety \) , carlos garcia struck , prince fit foul fly , pinch hitter lonnie smith k 'd end pittsburgh hope pittsburgh pitchers backed tomlin well , though relievers minor , moeller \( sp \? \) , nagel gave two hits four plus innings work barry larkin left game seventh grounder \( mis \) played bruised right thumb taken hospital x rays let 's hope 's ok cincinnati 4 9 , still worst record majors , two wins may looking moving cellar ! pittsburgh 7 6 reds fans would like receive report semi daily basis \( often write \) , send e mail address 'll put list someone reds mailing list , please forward 'll put everyone list ! ! cincinnati reds ab r h k bb lo roberts 2b 4 2 2 1 0 1 kelly cf 4 1 1 0 0 0 larkin ss 3 1 3 0 0 0 branson ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 mitchell lf 4 0 1 1 0 0 hernandez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 sabo 3b 4 0 0 1 0 1 milligan 1b 4 1 1 2 0 1 sanders rf 3 0 0 2 0 0 oliver c 4 0 2 2 0 0 belcher p 4 0 0 2 0 1 totals 34 5 10 11 0 4 3b milligan \( tomlin , leading fourth , scored \) 2b roberts \( tomlin , leading first , scored \) roberts \( tomlin , leading fifth , scored \) larkin \( tomlin , fifth , one , runner second , rbi , scored \) sf sanders rbi larkin 2 , sanders sb kelly , larkin gdp sabo pittsburgh pirates ab r h k bb lo martin lf 4 0 0 0 0 1 bell ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 van slyke cf 4 0 0 0 0 0 king 3b 3 0 0 2 1 0 merced rf 3 0 1 1 0 0 young 1b 2 0 1 1 0 0 garcia 2b 3 0 0 2 0 1 prince c 3 0 1 0 0 0 tomlin p 1 0 0 0 0 0 minor p 0 0 0 0 0 0 smith ph 1 0 0 1 0 2 moeller p 0 0 0 0 0 0 ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 nagel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 0 3 9 1 4 gdp merced cincinnati 2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 5 11 1 pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 pitching ip r er h k bb cincinnati belcher \( w 1 1 \) 9 0 0 3 9 1 cg \( 1 \) , \( 1 \) line day ! ! ! e larkin pittsburgh tomlin \( l 0 1 \) 4 1 3 5 5 9 6 0 minor 2 3 0 0 1 0 0 moeller 2 0 0 0 3 0 nagel 1 0 0 1 2 0 wp tomlin pb prince umps quick crawford att 9 , 077 2 14 coming reds play two , go chicago weekend series weather n't look good , though n't surprised one games get rained tomorrow , 7 35 , jose vs steve cook , smiley vs wakefield thursday rstimets
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject burzynski 's antineoplastons 93111 asuacad bitnet ssr com lines 37 93122 article ssr com , sdb ssr com \( scott \) says article 93111 asuacad bitnet asuacad bitnet writes moss people cancer 's director communications people cancer seems offer pretty questionable information , exactly place cancer patient advised turn advise people turn cancer information \? \( maybe \) infomation latest catalogue concern treatments shown ineffective cancer , many treatments quite dangerous well seems 've offered circular refutation moss 's organization shown information latest book pac questionable \? could agencies medical industries moss showing operating major vested interests whether one believes vested interests real , whether actually shape medical research seperate argument one sees possibility , however , interests exist , information put pac refuted medical industry n't hold much weight , fact nih n't find effective n't make much sense course n't ! tend faith word patients alive told years ago would dead cancer soon fighting like hell keep clinic open , credit treatment survival anyone looks nih 's record investigation cancer therapies easily see strange knack find ing relatively cheap therapies dangerous useless gn
kmembry viamar uucp \( kirk membry \) subject good autoexec bat config sys windows 3 1 reply rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry organization private system lines 16 datamark co nz thomas datamark co nz \( thomas beagle \) writes need load emm386 qemm , anything else many windows pcs 's useful still stuck running msdos based applications need lots low memory free otherwise need load himem sys let windows go straight extended memory 's thought , 's never used emm386 exe kirk membry age age industry rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry alexander rodchenko
tp923021 fir canberra edu au \( ben elliston \) subject disk caching lines 25 organization compact solutions , canberra act australia anybody every come across problem whereby hard disk locks \( ie crashes system \) attempting load disk caching \? think logic board may , drive works perfectly without disk cache tried various versions smartdrive , avail advice would much appreciated need cached drive , need extra space second drive much ! \) thanks cheers , ben ben j elliston bachelor engineering \( computer engineering \) university canberra \( \) ooo \( \) ooo email compsol fir canberra edu au v also cbr cpsg com au uucp ! uunet ! munnari ! sserve adfa oz au ! compsol ! root fidonet 3 620 262 origin compact solutions canberra act australia \( 3 620 262 \)
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject age consent child molestation organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 15 article bu edu , kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) writes clayton cramer , read carefully \? article cpp panix com roy panix com \( roy radow \) writes assumed nambla agree specific agendas every participating group , assumed every group supports specific goals ideals yeah , like n't assume aryan nations supports genocide \( \) fooling \? clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
random cbnewse cb att com \( david l pope \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization lines 34 article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear \( sic \) olds numerous baptists hang around n't seen behavior \? trait \( stocking food week , owning firearm \) definition cult \? proof \( aside david 's \) leads believe banging marrying thirteen year olds going \? wife know equate \? 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things since guy n't like concept freedom religion , 's going insult mom ! people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia sociopath person sociopaths 200 persons , ca n't stand people , sharing ranch house joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu suddenly becomes clear everyone discover net spring \? random
christian robert ch subject diamond 24 windows 3 1 conflict organization university , switzerland lines 10 hello , problems diamond stealth local bus graphic card try start windows system stop display free files handles , cannot load command , system halted perhaps bios setup problem i'm used ami bios setup somebody explain setup shadow video rom , others shadow rom , also config two setup best graphic card thanks answer ch robert
nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines 41 article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com , snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes stuff ron gant incident deleted reasonable umpire would 's instructed season get batters back box sooner try cut ridiculous length games one glad see happen , \( ! ! ! ! \) agree hirschbeck instructed also gant listened however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand games longer several reasons pitching changes , basestealing \( throws first \) , etc think small factor increased time takes jose canseco deion sanders insert fancy ballplayer arrange jewelry prior stepping batter 's box impression writers made issue like shorter games get head back hotel bar , eat steaks , get drunk , tell stupid jokes pals chase around bar sure want game print journalists slightly legitimate reason wanting faster games deadlines espn guys baseball tonight drive crazy constantly primarily often work late game goes longer 2 30 maybe well nothing better , would like hear reasons longer games upset parenthetical note , seems league case fighting losing battle year increased offense thus far certainly spoil hopes getting games quickly nick flynn
bgrubb dante nmsu edu \( grubb \) subject ide vs scsi organization new mexico state university , las cruces , nm lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu edu david c cat uucp \( dave \) write talking scsi 1 device \( e g hd \) scsi 2 controller talking scsi 1 controller chip upgrade using chip scsi 2 controller board talking scsi 1 device \( e g hd \) scsi 2 controller rewrite mac info sheet scsi section scsi external device expansion interface common mac ibm allows use device hard drive , printer , scanner , nubus card expansion mac plus , monitors , cd rom normal asynchronous scsi 5 mhz fast synchronous scsi 10 mhz difference modes mainly software drivers main problem lot external devices internal terminated causes problems two scsi port scsi chain supposed terminated begining end set causes problems either mac ibm scsi 1 8 bit 7 devices per scsi controller asynchronous 1 5mb ave synchronous 5mb max transfers 8 bit scsi 2 often mistaken fast version scsi 1 see scsi 2 details scsi 2 fully scsi 1 compliant scsi 2 mode 10 devices per scsi controller 8 bit scsi 2 implimented fast scsi 1 since run using scsi 1 hardware software drivers limits 7 devices , results sometimes mistakenly part scsi 1 16 bit 32 bit scsi 2 require different ports , electronics , scsi software drivers scsi 1 makes expensive scsi interfaces 32 bit scsi seems run synchronous mode , hence term fast transfer speeds 4 6mb 10mb burst 8 bit , 8 12mb 20mb burst 16 bit , 15 20mb 40mb burst 32 bit 8 bit scsi 2 biggest headache due fact scsi 2 know pump scsi 2 speeds scsi 1 devices software controlers main implimentation mac though see adds scsi 2 10mb maximum throughput pcs since 8 bit scsi 2 need hardware including software 16 bit 32 bit scsi 2 scsi 2 interfaces pop scsi 1 pop 8 bit scsi 2 electronics people consider 16 bit scsi 2 really starts used one 4 6mb average though put theoretical burst 10mb scsi 1 8 bit scsi 2 rule thumb 5mb type scsi 2 8 bit scsi use part scsi 1 electronics reduces cost compared 16 32 bit scsi 2
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject christian \? davidians compassion quack kfu com 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 22 article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes article quack kfu com , pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) writes article 1993apr20 756 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes one follow teachings christ , christian easy \? would exclude self proclaimed christians follow ten commandments \? matter fact , yes least strive proud boast faith 100 still human imperfect therefore , liable sin thankfully , opportunity forgiveness god , malcolm lee \) sounds like 're modifying definition christian anyone follow teachings christ read correctly \? constitutes strive \? jesus say define striving means \? give example striving insufficient qualify one christian thus condemns one eternal damnation fiery torture \? self proclaim christian basis \?
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject swim \? x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 15 37 52 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 3 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 5 used live 1990 se , marked 344 0062 , roms go 341 2 solution person wants upgrade fdhd \? cheers mike
abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) subject gamma ray bursters \? news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 27 article 1993apr26 19777 midway uchicago edu , midway uchicago edu writes batse , 8 detectors , location determination , within 3 degrees \( would someone gsfc , like david , like comment current state location determination \? \) sightings detectors helps drive uncertainty well , 'll avoid question \( got \) promise come back info find know batse primary instrument development sky map long term sources given fact , spacecraft attitude knowledge approx 2 , might able figure well batse determine location \( rotational \) gamma ray burster knowledge sky map 's accuracy pr material three instruments give accuracies order fractions degree , 's help speaking gro , net world probably happy see orbit adjust appear going well branch guy 's helping says things gone smoothly iso valve burns take place mid june anyway , i'm find back get info david w gsfc n't know 'bout gamma rays gone wind , paraphrased
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 69 article netcom com mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) writes article 20apr93 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes agree nick 's big deal long games \? want watch baseball , 's much baseball watch yes , baseball includes space plays well plays first , longer game way suggests baseball watch , unless include watching grass grow baseball games batters stepping box , pitchers taking longer pitches excessive trips mound managers pitching coaches six seven years ago enthusiastic fan nfl football last year hardly watched game turned incessant continuity game team scores 2 5 minutes commercials 1 5 minutes commercials three downs 2 minutes commercials ! earlier thread commented larussa 's , believe slow play n't mind cat mouse game rickey first fact , rather enjoy similarly would enjoy battle listach lofton polonia first object games played first , game blowout n't mind pitcher steps mound gather thoughts crucial situation , hitter steps box regain concentration object hitters pitchers take breaks every opportunity game exciting , little delays serve tension builders enhance value experience game delays happen regularity , become , like commercial breaks football understand nfl imposed number rule changes speed games , basically putting onus officiating staff move markers ball spots faster address problem continuity game may sponsors networks , would amazed anything enhance experience fans , 3 hour baseball games bore tears , ones continuity players taking long periods get ready pitch doubt anyone watching braves giants game cared gant stepping doubt anyone watching game would found pause anything opportunity complete attention claimed drama present would totally opposed effort would eliminate aspect baseball hand , wish baseball commissioner powerful enough sit larussa duncan explain actually hurting product baseball dragging games way sure would n't mind little arm twisting beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale 030 direct slot adapter card mac iisi organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 8 nntp posting host aludra usc edu sale 030 direct slot adapter card mac iisi \( mac coprocessor well \) looking let know , email offer well interested thanks khoh usc edu
mmatusev radford vak12ed edu \( melissa n matusevich \) subject pregnency without sex \? organization virginia 's public education network \( radford \) lines 5 speaking educational systems , recently colleague tell reason one fifth grade students physically developed sexually abused younger child , went say , kicks pituitary gland action causes puberty
ohstpy mps ohio state edu subject local windows vs shared windows \( discussion \) organization ohio state university , department physics lines 110 would like see serious discussion best way install windows novell administrator 's point view got phone ms access support told \( microsoft \) decided implement , standard software support , local setup \( described \) advantageous installation true microsoft prudent installation comply 'd like hear administrators first local windows installation windows fully installed workstation hard drive \( assuming resources available \) network administrator 's implementation , would install windows disks network drive using setup install windows per machine bases running setup network install complete system local drives way , drivers available setup procedure w need change disks advantages reduce traffic running windows locally reduces network traffic due local access main windows files network independence network fails \( one point another \) , local installation would allow users keep producing reduce cost time faster windows theoretically , windows run faster local hard drive network may hard point prove network optical backbone network drives significantly faster access local ones user traveling machine machine need worry varying setups \( monochrome , color , types mouse , etc \) since windows installation assigned workstation disadvantages cost installing windows locally requires significant amount disk space workstations must purchased hard disk increase cost workstation 10 30 percent administration local windows installations difficult administer new drivers peripherals constantly made available , would individually installed workstation security users access erase corrupt system files simple ignorance could result quite headache administrators may constantly repair damaged installations backup know problems backing local hard disks backup sets \( done via centralized tape system \) get large quickly backup individually \( floppy \) may happen may eliminated assumed local hard disks contain applications user data shared windows installation windows fully installed network disk via setup procedure described users \( administrators \) install minimal set files individual user directories directories may local hard disk perhaps network home directory bulk windows system files maintained network single directory \( 400 files \) accessed \( shared \) needed users throughout windows session user 's files consist small set files user updated windows session include group files , ini files regularly updated files advantages single location files makes updates drives easy updated driver becomes available , needs installed single directory users able take advantage assuming users' files maintained network \( home \) directories , administrator easily edit ini file needed correct problems may arise includes win ini system ini backup pertinent files done easily even users' files local hard disk , bulk windows system backed driver updates disadvantages network traffic since windows files shared network directory , traffic network become problem effect speed windows network crashes , production comes stop since window 's reliant upon network files loss data usually occurs well since users working windows time crash usually able save work although minimal , disk space still consideration users' files maintained network , large number users cause significant utilization disk space due personal windows files alone users cannot easily move machine machine unless workstation hardware similar due windows installation tied particular username \( case network user files \) discussion would like know , administrators large windows , prefer setting windows personally , setup numerous installations using shared setup windows application files network little utilization local hard disks fact , sold network fact company would longer need purchase hard disks workstations thus save much money would also like see recommendations applications apps word excel installed locally regardless windows installed \? , keep files network easy backup administration putting eggs one basket network crashes , work comes halt sure microsoft \( know \) ideas insights would great value hope hear people actual working experience users network administration
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject hits stolen first base 1992 keywords stats organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il distribution lines 15 gap caltech edu jeff smoggy gg caltech edu \( jeff \) writes steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes finally , throw formula call defensive contribution , dcon mean , n't \? well , although admit 's exciting rat killer dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) subject mystery ron gant organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 12 experts want analyze ron gant \? early season slump still swinging bat way last year \( trying hit fields , etc \) changed swing back old gant small early season slump spot int lineup even secure , especially way hitting \? msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs ! ! ! one likes believe freedom baseball geddy lee
rainer sun3 eeam elin co \( rainer hochreiter \) subject moving keyboard organization elin energeanwendung ges b h lines 13 nntp posting host sun3 eeam elin co x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 hi xperts ! move cursor keyboard \( e cursor keys \) , mouse available \? hints welcome thanks rainer hochreiter telephone 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3961 elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3387 penzingerstr 76 1141 wien , austria europe e mail rainer elin co
subject changing windows fonts \? husc8 harvard edu \( daniel \) distribution world organization harvard university science center keywords windows , font , help summary change default font \? nntp posting host husc8 harvard edu lines 15 friend mine uses windows 3 1 work unfortunately , bad , n't able figure change default font used system application menus , font used help program \( use hypertext ca n't read \? \) make anyone knows increase size fonts , software package makes windows accessible visually handicapped people , please let know thanks , dan
nntp posting host surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio subject change name \? \? reply well sf ca us \( hudson h \) 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 18 55 54 gmt organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway 1993apr20 linus mitre org well sf ca us lines 8 originator thomasp surt ifi uio read \? \? read posting quisling look dictionary n't read \) thomas
umiacs umd edu \( stephen kelley \) subject x11r5 vs x11r4 configure event handling organization umiacs , university maryland , college park , md 20742 lines 31 repost two questions \( well probably \) expose configure events handled appl uses 1 window draw since give user capability scaling zooming well allowing window resized , made translation table expose configure events expose event calls redraw method configure event calls rescale method rescale method invokes fake expose event \( actually calls redraw w appropriate expose struct \) draw data quest 1 appl compiled linked w r4 \( running either r4 r5 env \) get multiple \( 4 \) redraws window gets uncovered size changed assume i'm getting events right \? suggestions handle trap events better way \? quest 2 appl compiled linked w r5 get expose events whatsoever events translation tables act differently r5 \? thanks advance steve kelley cs umiacs captain , protest ! umiacs umd edu merry man ! worf
mlindroos finabo abo fi \( marcus lindroos inf \) subject caps moving \? \? \? \? \? reply berger chaos cs brandeis edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 20 57 10 gmt organization abo akademi university , finland x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 26 berger chaos cs brandeis edu berger chaos cs brandeis edu writes 've heard rumors recently reliable sources abe , moron owns washington capitals looking move team season next milwaukee mentioned team 's potential destination person told strongly affiliated nhl extremely accurate past news sort anyone know heard anything sort \? baltimore 's ahl team gone , would leave area echl franchise baltimore good thanks david ! ! ! dc baltimore one top media markets \( thing nhl seems care days \) , 've far better nba bullets gate last five years team perennial contender fan support good excellent move city 's five times smaller many teams pro sports n't get david marcu
bks2 cbnewsi cb att com \( bryan k strouse \) subject nhl playoffs results games played 4 20 93 organization keywords division semis game 2 lines 130 nhl playoff results 4 20 93 conference semi finals best seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf \( leads 2 0 \) stl \( leads 1 0 \) win pit \( leads 2 0 \) bos chi van \( leads 1 0 \) nyi \( tied 1 1 \) mon tor la \( leads 1 0 \) que \( leads 2 0 \) det \( leads 1 0 \) cal new jersey devils 0 0 0 0 pittsburgh penguins \( leads series 2 0 \) 2 4 1 7 1st period pit , mceachern 1 \( francis , taglianetti \) 15 09 pit , lemieux 3 \( u samuelsson , barrasso \) \( sh \) 17 41 2nd period pit , tocchet 2 \( k stevens , u samuelsson \) 3 48 pit , jagr 2 \( francis , ramsey \) 12 39 pit , k stevens 1 \( francis , murphy \) \( pp \) 15 43 pit , mceachern 2 \( daniels , mullen \) 16 46 3rd period pit , mullen 1 \( francis , barrasso \) 17 42 powerplay opportunities devils 0 5 penguins 1 4 shots goal devils 12 11 13 36 penguins 13 10 4 27 new jersey devils terreri \( 0 2 \) \( 23 shots 17 saves \) billington \( 0 00 third \) \( 4 shots 3 saves \) pittsburgh penguins barrasso \( 2 0 \) \( 36 shots 36 saves \) att 16 , 164 new york islanders \( series tied 1 1 \) 1 1 2 0 1 5 washington capitals 0 2 2 0 0 4 1st period nyi , turgeon 1 \( king , thomas \) 13 14 2nd period , hunter 3 \( johansson , miller \) 6 33 nyi , turgeon 2 \( thomas , vaske \) 12 36 , hunter 4 \( johansson , carpenter \) \( pp \) 16 51 3rd period nyi , hogue 1 3 31 , khristich 2 \( cavallini , bondra \) 7 16 nyi , ferraro 2 \( flatley , hogue \) 14 50 , hunter 5 \( johansson , khristich \) \( pp \) 19 57 1 overtime none 2 overtime nyi , mullen 1 \( ferraro , flatley \) 14 15 powerplay opportunities islanders 0 5 capitals 2 5 shots goal islanders 14 17 8 13 9 61 capitals 6 9 11 14 5 45 new york islanders healy \( 1 1 \) \( 45 shots 41 saves \) washington capitals tabaracci \( 1 1 \) \( 61 shots 56 saves \) att 15 , 421 montreal canadiens 0 0 1 1 quebec nordiques \( leads series 2 0 \) 3 0 1 4 1st period que , leschyshyn 1 \( kamensky , sakic \) \( pp \) 4 19 que , young 2 \( lapointe \) 11 41 que , young 3 \( lapointe , duchesne \) 13 56 2nd period none 3rd period mon , bellows 2 \( odelein \) 11 05 que , lapointe 1 \( ricci \) \( en \) 19 23 powerplay opportunities canadiens 0 1 nordiques 1 2 shots goal canadiens 8 10 15 33 nordiques 18 14 6 38 montreal canadiens roy \( 0 2 \) \( 37 shots 34 saves \) quebec nordiques hextall \( 2 0 \) \( 33 shots 32 saves \) att 15 , 399 buffalo sabres \( leads series 2 0 \) 2 1 1 4 boston bruins 0 0 0 0 1st period buf , presley 1 \( sh \) 4 27 buf , wood 1 \( , b sweeney \) \( pp \) 8 07 2nd period buf , mogilny 3 \( lafontaine \) 5 03 3rd period buf , hawerchuk 1 \( carney , smehlik \) \( pp \) 14 48 powerplay opportunities sabres 2 4 bruins 0 5 shots goal sabres 9 8 8 25 bruins 14 12 8 34 buffalo sabres fuhr \( 2 0 \) \( 34 shots 34 saves \) boston bruins moog \( 0 2 \) \( 10 shots 7 saves \) blue \( 5 03 second \) \( 15 shots 14 saves \) att 14 , 448 spike
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject pov problems tga outputs organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 10 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de remember unix versions pov n't create tga qrt file format output default ft needed make tga brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
finnegan nrlssc navy mil subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host nntpd invader nrlssc navy mil reply kenneth finnegan organization sverdrup technologies lines 18 article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? kenneth finnegan nrlssc navy mil
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject tapped , code good organization dsi uscrpac distribution na lines 17 article bu edu uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes n't give bullshit analogies trust coke put mind control drugs every get us buy coke n't found acid yet \) david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject history texts \( ancient references christianity \) organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 14 nntp posting host saltillo cs utexas edu summary believe maharishi title wrote diaries followers maharishi , formerly oregon , historical evidence article 1 p00261 psilink com robert knowles p00261 psilink com writes confusing bhagwan \( sp \? \) maharishi mahesh yogi chance \? believe maharishi \( someone please correct wrong \) thus , maharishi different person maharishi mahesh , russell
malouf leland stanford edu \( rob malouf \) subject monitor organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 9 anyone manual 14 ni monitor \? need specs thanks rob malouf malouf csli stanford edu rob malouf malouf csli stanford edu
mvs oac ucla edu \( john \) subject hp laserjet fax opinions needed nntp posting host mvs oac ucla edu lines 5 anyone tried hp laserjet fax receives faxes prints hp iii also , word processor , print straight fax anyone problems \? fonts working \?
pngai adobe com \( phil ngai \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization adobe systems incorporated lines 14 article nate psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes admit ca n't cite specific , n't law purchasing grenade components assembling functioning units perhaps need one second ammendment arguments aside , i'm sure like idea private citizens hand grenades aware make grenade metal water pipes \? maybe outlaw hardware stores ammo reloading aware make firebomb gasoline \? etc justin ngai , 8 pounds , 2 ounces , born 4 24 93
alan elroy jpl nasa gov \( alan \) subject deal blue book value auto \? organization image analysis systems group , jpl lines 41 distribution na nntp posting host jpl nasa gov mail bounced , article 1993apr22 news eng convex com write process buying new auto n't decided yet whether sell current car trade part new auto purchase traditional wisdom says almost certainly better selling n't mind extra hassle trade purchase makes getting best price dealership confusing know blue book value car 2825 assume retail two prices , one retail one wholesale really want retail price get blue books also adjustments make low mileage extras particular car look stuff also keep mind blue book prices averages country may apply area example , blue book prices low california better way finding much car might worth call around see 's selling \( used lots one \) looking local papers similar cars checking prices might time efficient take small loss \( rather hold 6 months best price \) offered give blue book value car n't know mean acquaintance would make darn sure paid , , 's check full delivery 's real temptation selling pseudo friend make sure get money paying full start \( 's check cash \) would go elsewhere probably sell car used car lot get wholesale 's probably safer approach selling private party alan mountain dew ! ames ! elroy ! alan breakfast important meal alan elroy jpl nasa gov day
whitaker eternity demon co uk \( russell earl whitaker \) subject meeting uk association distribution world organization extropy institute reply whitaker eternity demon co uk x mailer simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 19 \) lines 89 begin pgp signed message meeting uk association saturday , 8 may 1993 , 1500 held offices forest 4th floor 2 gardens london located corner place , couple blocks west victoria station , almost directly across dark green shelter trouble finding place , please call office 071 823 , call \( russell whitaker \) pager , 081 812 , leave informative message telephone number reached return call almost immediately discussion range usual general topics , use secure public key cryptosystems protect message data , specific topics , recent moves u government restrict choice data privacy \( reference recent discussion usenet groups , e g sci crypt alt security pgp \) invited particularly welcome members newly formed uk community group local eff spirit name folks plan attend email let know please attendees requested bring diskettes preferably ms dos pgp 2 public keys usual , several us bring laptops , sign public keys , subject usual caveats \( reference documentation pgp 2 2 , specifically files doc doc \) already copy pgp 2 2 \( ms dos \) , would like copy public domain program , please bring formatted , medium high density 3 5 inch floppy pc diskette provided copy program course , might prefer ftp version program one various archive sites suggest trying demon internet systems , carries full range pgp \( phil zimmerman 's pretty good privacy \) implementations directory pub pgp gate demon co uk meetings time interested invited join rest us determined pub afterwards please note past months , interested people emailed , requesting faqs special information mailings regret , except unusual cases \( e g working press \) , cannot , timely manner , respond requests , however first time writeup meeting , post various places willing supply general information activities existing faqs , alt privacy faq contact whitaker eternity demon co uk russell earl whitaker whitaker eternity demon co uk communications editor extropy journal thought board member , extropy institute \( \) pgp 2 2 public key available begin pgp signature version 2 2 end pgp signature
shag aero org \( rob unverzagt \) subject moon image weather sat image organization organization \? must kidding lines 26 nntp posting host aerospace aero org article 1993apr30 unocal com stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) writes article usenet ucs indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu \( george wm turner \) writes image moon caught weather satellite images earth appears ir visual images earth gif images loaded vmd cso uiuc edu named gif cv043015 gif ir visual images respectively pretty cool pictures ir 's saturated visual image details moon viewable near , see sun ocean also solar see shadow sun move across clouds speaking , paper years ago weather sat imaging lunar eclipse images uploaded anywhere \? could dig reference 's interest shag rob unverzagt shag aerospace aero org tuesday green day unverzagt aero org
organization penn state university john johnson j5j psuvm psu edu subject 2000 years , say christian morality horus ap mchp sni de sandvik sandvik kent apple com horus ap mchp sni de lines 63 article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) says specifically , 'd like know relativism concludes two people grotesquely disagree \( \) right \( b \) one wrong , sometimes \( though perhaps rarely \) pretty good idea \( c \) one wrong , never information , make best guess really must make decision \( \) idea right moral judgement meaningless \( implying whether peace better war , e g , meaningless question , need discussed correct answer \) \( e \) something else short , positive assertion would nice hope tell , \( b \) \( c \) actually predicated assumption values real statements like ca n't consistently derive relativist assumption values n't part objective reality relativist would like answer question , way phrase question makes unanswerable concepts right wrong \( correct incorrect true false \) belong domain rather moral questions makes sense ask moral position right wrong , although legitimate ask good \( better another position \) let illustrate point looking psychological derivatives epistemology ethics perception motivation , respectively one certainly ask right \( correct , true , \) wrong \( incorrect , false , \) makes little sense ask motive true false hand , strange ask whether morally good evil , one certainly ask question motives therefore , suggested answers \( \) \( c \) simply ca n't considered assume judge correctness moral judgment problem \( \) double agree first part \( rightness moral position meaningless question \) , reasons stated irrelevant alleged implication \( implication \) one cannot feel peace better war certainly make value judgments \( bad , better , best \) without asserting correctness position sorry lengthy dismissal \( \) \( \) short \( e \) answer two individuals grotesquely disagree moral issue , neither right \( correct \) wrong \( incorrect \) simply hold different moral values \( feelings \) john johnson \( j5j psuvm psu edu \) department psychology penn state campus penn state responsible behavior ruthless , avoidance another sort getting drunk picking bar ladies writing metaphysics part life r
stern brahms udel edu \( garland stern \) subject looking hot mac 3d anim software distribution usa organization university delaware lines 6 nntp posting host brahms udel edu interested finding 3d animation programs mac especially interested programs n't exist pc port good would make go buy mac exist \? thanks advance
mcole spock \( cole \) subject organization new mexico state university lines 3 nntp posting host spock nmsu edu mice chip numbered able find information help would appreciated mcole nmsu edu
keys starchild ncsl nist gov \( lawrence b keys \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) organization national institute standards technology distribution usa lines 59 article murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \) geico purchased radar guns several states , know done ct also heard horror stories people insured geico years 1 accident immediately dropped 've dropped company become labled high risk , end 3 4 times insurance must vary state state , old company kemper wanted drop \( keeping wife \) premium 1 ticket 2 points 10 mph speed limit well called geico , insured wife less previously paying kemper generally hate whole insurance game realize necessary way person get around n't make sense one good thing geico everything handled phone suggestion , stay , shop around stay away geico ! jeff larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever ! fact need explain indicates probably would n't understand anyway !
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization university illinois urbana lines 12 eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot 180 degree v 6 flat six engines \? \? \? chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
csd harris com \( tim \) subject x professional organization organization harris csd , ft lauderdale , fl lines 4 distribution ssd nntp posting host ssd csd harris com anyone ever heard x professional organization \? anyone member \? membership worth 100 charge \? tim
waterloo hp com \( ted \) subject canon bj200 \( bubblejet \) hp deskjet 500 nntp posting host waterloo hp com organization hp div waterloo canada x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 9 lines 26 thomas fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote size another factor bj 200 much smaller , hp built like tank bet bj 200 would get damaged first bet 's built like tank mechanically either ! past weekend nasty impossible \( \) happened got direct lightning strike house second floor outlet box faithful deskjet 500c connected 303 bullet sized hole aluminum siding aluminum dripping could actually see electrical box hole ! outlet fried i'm still amazed whole damn house n't burn lost 2 electric garage door , 2 vcr 's , 2 telephones \( opposite side house \) , zyxel u high speed modem , vga monitor , 1024x768 color monitor , rs232 parallel ports x terminal wd lan card pc good night ! , deskjet ran soon found functioning serial parallel port connect ted \( slightly \) hp division waterloo , ontario
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject israel apartheid state organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 32 article m06 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 1993may10 pasteur berkeley edu adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) writes consider defining belonging nation claims right state based religious belief form racism although n't want muddy waters unnecessarily disagree discrimination based religion cannot racist unless sole qualification religious membership racial case israel although might get little closer , say , islam course raises question church antisemitism jews heavily discriminated grounds religion many christian countries take russia example jews seriously persecuted persecution eyes church state stopped baptismal font officially anyway jew converted legal barriers way \( know anyway \) peter great 's interior minister came convert background claim russian orthodox teach antisemitism antisemitic \? similarly roman catholic church \? suspect racial one based belief form racism well maybe antisemitism something racially based \? wonder hitler killed converts german blood anyone know one way \? joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
farenebt logic camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject ahl playoff results organization clarkson university lines 25 nntp posting host logic clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 ahl playoff scores first round \( home team caps \) games played , 4 20 rochester 6 utica 4 fredericton cape breton series \( plural status \? \) adirondack leads cdi , 3 0 providence tied w springfield , 2 2 binghamton tied w baltimore , 1 1 rochester leads utica , 2 1 st john 's leads moncton , 2 0 cape breton tied w fredericton , 1 1 bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject radar detector forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 7 uniden clip sized radar detector x , k , ka band forsale city highway audio mute options comes cigarette lighter attachment i'm asking 50 please e mail replies jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject 27 fundamental beliefs sda organization case western reserve university lines 21 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article healta 183 saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes asked post list sda church 's basic beliefs sda church always reluctant formalize creed usual sense word however , powers church deemed neccessary publish summary basic sda beliefs may ask afraid \? speaking proofs god , funniest one ever seen term paper handed freshman wrote , god must exist , would n't mean make believe exists really n't ! argument really much worse ontological proofs existence god provided anselm descartes , among others \? raymond 5 , 000 b c philosophical fantasies
subject wings news playoff thoughts kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 53 article 1993apr23 mtu edu , mtu edu \( smith \) writes n't think 's shown 's good enough carry detroit cup team may good enough reach finals , cheveldae achilles heel must goaltending playoffs , cheveldae looks like 2nd 3rd \( probably guess n't know many 2nd 3rd string goalies could post 30 wins season chevy done past two seasons playing behind defense exactly best league 34 wins year toronto look vincent stats think starting , take look teams played \( teams like san jose , ottawa , tb \) nhl goalie could post decent record playing teams like night night \) look detroit management remedy situation offseason really n't see happening n't think cheveldae could job would traded somebody year , wait next year goalies available year hey , may wrong , watching kick rebound rebound high slot , n't think carry tough games \( e toronto \) better kick rebounds let goals st louis gets past chicago , watch joseph carry blues past otherwise vastly superior red wings club joseph hot , wings scored six goals games far toronto , one leagues best defenses guess end playing norris title 'll see happens dr devils advocate women guns n't mix ubvms cc buffalo edu acsu buffalo edu mark arm wings '93 , hopefully '94 far cheveldae concerned , decent goalie logical trade offseason would detroit ny rangers i'm sure beezer would traded would enjoy opportunity go back roots detroit would valuable asset wings perhaps rangers could get zombo return \? beezer got good years opportunity get fresh start would play
pw4963 eve albany edu \( peter g white \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization state university new york albany lines 14 article 1r3jl5 igh function mps ohio state edu osu edu writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always true \? thought disputed peter peter white internet pw4963 albany edu state univ new york albany bitnet pw4963 albnyvms
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject 486 comparisons \( dlc , amd , intel \) lines 10 thinking buying new motherboard cyrix 486dlc 40 33 mh z upgrade 386sx 25 wondering anybody facts fill anybody one think \? also get cyrix math co benchmarks two chips nd look good price anybody responds please send email usually n't check mail often check reader daily thanks info , remember respond legitimate comp praise , cyrix amd bash know byte , computer shopper , pc computing etc said considering cyrix chip thanks
dirac phys ualberta ca \( kevin \) subject atoms real \? nntp posting host dirac phys ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 44 article news rich bnr ca bcash crchh410 nosubdomain nodomain \( brian cash \) writes petri mathew , discusion reality atoms interesting , would seem question anything real , since observation 100 reliable , say anything real n't think intention original question , since define word real nothing meet criteria thought brian ps shadows real objects , phenomenon interesting question would atoms objects \( classical \) phenomenon \( neo quantum \) \? 've following train talk , question dismissing atoms sense real leaves uneasy seems implied effects , therefore underlying thing necessarily real tree outside window category observe light bounces , tree observation indirect , observations made atoms also , observations experiments routinely done individual atoms thinking particular atom trapping experiments tests fundamental quantum mechanics quantum zeno effect , individual atom studied long period time attempts quantum mechanical arguments satisfying either one making arguments without solid technical background field read seemed little confused quite red herring anyway , purpose public debate make audience think , worked , i'm willing try defend following assertion anyone cares atoms real trees , real every day sense word real
subject wings news playoff thoughts kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu 1993apr23 1 eagle wesleyan edu prv msuinfo cl msu edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 14 article prv msuinfo cl msu edu , twork egr msu edu \( michael twork \) writes roots detroit would valuable asset wings perhaps rangers could get zombo return \? wake smell norris ! ! rick zombo traded blues vince \( sp \? \) last season mike sorry mike ! defensemen would wings willing give beezer \?
mallen eniac seas upenn edu \( matt allen \) subject commodore amiga sale keywords commodore amiga monitor distribution usa organization university pennsylvania lines 13 nntp posting host eniac seas upenn edu sale complete amiga 1000 computer system 450 best offer amiga 1000 512k ram 1 internal , 1 external 3 5 floppy diskette drive detachable keyboard two button mouse rgb monitor equipment made commodore send e mail allen edu call \( 717 \) 872
lilak peaks enet dec com \( rod lilak \) subject bennett banned , bayonet lines 38 reply lilak dec com organization digital equipment corporation engineering wrote letter day empower america organization claims conservative issues , esp wake republican defeat last fall might consider organization create network support among conservatives individuals prep '96 run 'd close truth two leading bill bennett , former heartily supported bush 's semi auto import ban , wondered went far enough helped put big lie public 's eye jack kemp recently came support semi auto bans conservatives \? anyway thought interesting ran word perfect 's spell check letter came following corrections 1 banned 2 bayonet needless say , found choices rather amusing vs individualism ancient conflict men come close truth , destroyed time one civilization fell another civilization progress toward society privacy savage 's whole existence public , ruled laws tribe civilization process setting man free men ayn rand 's speech ' n't speak company hire
avinash genesis nred us subject com4 card shows com3 com4 's address irq ! keywords com port gurus , help ! distribution usa organization genesis public access unix 1 508 664 lines 35 internal modem configure com4 irq 3 , insert card dos 5 02 pc , shows com3 , irq3 com4 's address \( 2e8 \) ! get debug , dump data 40 0 , shows address 2e8 belonging com3 even though modem com4 , know modem working correctly since tested different pc shows correctly com4 , 2e8 , irq3 make work dos 5 02 pc , configure modem com3 , 2e8 , irq3 though comm program allows , fax program came modem work anyway , would like computer display modem set , com4 run diagnostic programs , help displayed modem com4 , others displayed com3 using windows , dos problem help pointers appreciated various reasons , must modem work com4 , thus switching com ports answer \( last time posted , get dos specific answer , time included specific information please help ! \) avinash chopde avinash acm org avinash chopde avinash acm org avinash genesis nred us
rick sundance sjsu edu \( richard warner \) subject dos 6 \( i'm using dos 6 anymore \) nntp posting host sundance sjsu edu organization san jose state university math cs dept lines 34 mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet writes 've running dos 6 month generally impressed improvements multiple boot configurations great , new commands nice , doublespace worked fine \( twice slow large data transfers , twice fast small smartdrv \) morning 4 working research paper , reboot hung dos program \( disk \) within windows 3 1 machine finished rebooting , found windows directory two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted cannot afford problems like i'm returning dos 5 mark p 've also noticed bad sector errors doublespace none exist infoworld \( april 26 , 1993 issue \) two articles problems dos 6 article calls people exercise extreme caution decide use point doublespace memmaker problem areas cause number folks problems ms 's response effect problems reported could duplicate \( probably trying hard \) reports lot folks getting going get burned 900 support lines example call cost 67 50 , 3 minutes tech support 25 minutes hold want see ms spin doctors explain
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject nasa budget sts costs organization lick observatory uco lines 12 nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu fraction nasa civil servant opposed contractor rules reduction work force civil servants \? eg , say shuttle program terminated , much payroll reduced \? steinn sigurdsson saw two shooting stars last night lick observatory wished satellites steinly lick ucsc edu wrong wish space hardware \? standard disclaimer wish , wish , wish 'd care b b 1983
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject ok , little hasty organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 35 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) wrote randy megatek com \( randy davis \) writes speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes dwi stand \? thought dui driving influence , w stand \? driving intoxicated actually , beleive dwi normally means driving impaired rather intoxicated , least states 've lived changed louisiana girl went court case claiming stoned pot , intoxicated liquor ! one without necessarily impaired liquor drugs , enough sleep , total moron \) , impair someone etc i'm surprised got hook perhaps dwi lousiana confined liquor \? lets say dui ! ok varies state state operating vehicle greater given percentage alcohol drop , get back asking ed green \? tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
subject dxf pcx , gif , tif tga \? murashiea mail beckman com \( ed murashie \) organization dsg development eng beckman instruments inc nntp posting host 134 217 245 87 lines 11 anyone know program pc take autocad dxf format files convert raster format , like pcx , gif , etc \? thanks advance ed ed murashie us mail beckman instruments inc phone \( 714 \) 993 diagnostic system group fax \( 714 \) 961 200 blvd w 361 internet murashiea mail beckman com brea , ca
subject review 1989 ford taurus sho david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) reply david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) distribution world organization cutting edge houston , tx 713 466 1525 lines 57 gk hear tires car get really expensive gk currently goodyear gt 4s cost previous owner 500 gk four try eagle gas , wear better , cost less , lose little handling , quieter i'm going switch next set , new rims \( twists \) afford 'em time gas wear gk whole new ritual pedal ! also , began gk wonder strong brake really \( today , backed gk parking spot today started drive away noticed gk glowing brake light oops \) mine strong enough let car move 's , even 're giving enough gas normally move 1st might need brake adjustment gk driver 's power window closed way gk thing happens parents 1989 mercury sable oddly , gk windows work smoothly watch closely , glass actually torque motor , seems stronger drivers window others gk i'm liking interior amenities day gk great 've found location \( seats \) pain , like moved dash \( pop \) '91 model year , much better gk really feel like n't deserve car really ca n't gk believe could afford got car ten years gk ahead schedule \) thing got black '89 65 5k miles 8k july '92 gk 've put together responses questions cars , gk well posts useful information cars 'll gk posting form faq soon grabbed archived thanks ! gk anyone interested starting mailing list , please speak ! gk n't know resources purdue start one , gk maybe someone 'll starting one summer , one way \( current software use dose n't support mailing lists , rsn list , i'm going upgrade another package \) , , nobody else beats make announcement goes cutting edge bbs \( cutting hou tx us \) pcboard 14 5a system houston , texas , usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization partnership america free drug lines 28 jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) writes pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes well , i'm lawyer , tell completely utterly untrue u official secrets act laws punish revealing classified information learned capacity government official , contractor , etc , laws prohibit stealing information however , sell chip , ca n't see make reverse engineering revealing details illegal cases information come properly use wish , certainly exceptions write paper includes sufficiently detailed information build nuclear weapon , classified understand law , nuclear weapons design automatically classified even work believe allowed read paper oh \? precedent nuclear weapons information published progressive \? impression court held prior restraint could used lawyers \? perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
iastate edu \( kevin \) subject unknown mac board national instruments nb dma 8 organization iowa state university , ames , ia distribution usa lines 22 need help identifying board found stuffed away corner title says , printed national instruments nb dma 8 fits fine mac iici snooper gives name board looks like hp ib connector back another connector top \( 2 rows 25 pins \) also looks like intel processor \( 16 intel '86 \) eeprom sticker p n 01 anybody ever seen heard one \? better yet , know \? clueless last option hook hp workstations see smoke comes thanks lot ! kevin um , forget iastate edu
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization sgi lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article c5ztju fkx news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes nt tossed info jesus n't 's usually treated reliable single , source information person evidence realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? mean say contains opened mine damned thing happened special way \? jon
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject medical examiner says evidence bullet wounds either way organization chinet public access unix lines 14 apparently needing clarify comments thursday , dr nizam \( spelling \? \) , medical examiner tarrant county , texas , authority waco deaths , stated since autopsies performed , evidence bullet wounds , evidence bullet wounds janet reno also stated never told bullet wounds anyone justice department koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
cas org \( larry w virden \) subject ideas xterm paste irritation \? reply lvirden cas org \( larry w virden \) organization software shoe , uninc lines 14 article stanford edu stanford edu \( hui , day \) writes read xterm 's manual pages informations avaliable actions xterm read faq get good book customizing x applications okay , byte could someone provide info book customizing x \? search one expect reader x11 source code \( even available online ! \) larry w virden inet lvirden cas org personal 674 falls place , , oh
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject galileo update 04 29 93 keywords galileo , jpl organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 134 nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 forwarded neal , galileo mission director galileo mission director status report post launch april 23 29 , 1993 spacecraft 1 april 22 23 , delta one way range \( \) passes performed dss 14 63 \( goldstone madrid 70 meter antennas \) dss 14 43 \( goldstone canberra 70 meter antennas \) , respectively initial results indicate delta pass april 22 unsuccessful due ground station hardware problems one april 23 successfully performed 2 april 23 , cruise science memory readout \( mro \) performed magnetometer \( mag \) instrument analysis indicates data received properly 3 april 23 , spare power relay contacts commanded closed via spacecraft stored sequence relays commanded closed cds \( command data subsystem \) prior launch commanded closed preclude possibility jupiter pps relays wiring source internal electrostatic charge \( \) 4 april 26 , cruise science memory readouts \( mro \) performed extreme ultraviolet spectrometer \( euv \) , dust detector \( dds \) , magnetometer \( mag \) instruments preliminary analysis indicates data received properly 5 period april 26 april 27 , navigation cycle performed navigation cycle provided near continuous acquisition two way doppler ranging data three consecutive passes spacecraft dss 63 , dss 14 , dss 43 6 april 26 , real time commands sent test slew radio relay antenna \( rra \) preparation mini sequence slew test april 28 rra approximately 3 5 degrees stow approximately 20 3 degrees preliminary analysis indicated antenna 18 degrees well within predicted range rra commanded back approximately 15 2 degrees stow preliminary analysis indicated antenna reached 15 8 degrees also well within predicted range rra motor temperature 1 degree c start activity increased 1 6 degrees c completion verifying proper rra , rra slew test mini sequence spacecraft execution april 28 upon successful uplink , delayed action command \( dac \) sent reposition may 4 initial pre test position also , dac sent turn two way \( \) april 28 prior start rra slew test mini sequence 7 april 27 , op command sent reset command loss timer 264 hours , planned value mission phase 8 april 28 , rra slew test executed nominally spacecraft stored sequence control performed six rra starting 16 degrees stow going 53 degrees , back 25 degrees , 51 degrees , back 22 degrees , 48 degrees back 21 degrees well within predicted range rra motor temperature 2 3 degrees c start activity increased 4 4 degrees c completion completion rra , real time commands sent reconfigure back pre test configuration 9 ac dc bus imbalance measurements exhibited significant change \( greater 25 dn \) throughout period ac measurement reads 17 dn \( 3 9 volts \) dc measurement reads 134 dn \( 15 7 volts \) measurements consistent model developed ac dc special anomaly team 10 spacecraft status april 29 , 1993 , follows \) system power margin 75 watts b \) spin configuration dual spin c \) spin rate sensor 3 star scanner \) spacecraft attitude approximately 23 degrees sun \( lagging \) 4 degrees earth \( leading \) e \) downlink telemetry rate antenna 40bps \( coded \) lga 1 f \) general thermal control temperatures within acceptable range g \) rpm tank pressures within acceptable range h \) orbiter science instruments powered pws , euv , , , mag , hic , dds \) probe powered , temperatures within acceptable range j \) cmd loss timer setting 264 hours time initiation 203 hours gds \( ground data systems \) 1 first galileo gds test 0 command system \( cmd \) took place april 27 , 1993 dss 61 \( madrid 34 meter antenna \) test went well demonstrated new command system interfaced new dsn \( deep space network \) group 5 command processor assembly \( cpa \) test successful next test 0 cmd scheduled may 1 , 1993 dss 15 \( goldstone 34 meter antenna \) 2 april system engineers monthly report \( \) ground system development office \( \) conducted thursday , april 29 review current project institutional \( dsn \) system status conducted going cruise development plus phase 1 2 delivery schedules , past months accomplishments potential problem areas discussed significant schedule changes significant problems reported trajectory noon thursday , april 29 , 1993 , galileo spacecraft trajectory status follows distance earth 187 , 745 , 300 km \( 1 26 au \) distance sun 296 , 335 , 800 km \( 1 98 au \) heliocentric speed 89 , 100 km per hour distance jupiter 522 , 015 , 800 km round trip light time 20 minutes , 58 seconds special topic 1 april 29 , 1993 , total real time commands transmitted galileo since launch , initiated sequence design process initiated real time command process past week , 74 real time commands transmitted 73 initiated sequence design process one initiated real time command process major command activities included commands perform initial rra slew test , uplink rra slew test mini sequence , reposition turn , reset command loss timer , execute rra slew test ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject sgi sales practices \( crimson \( kubota announcement \? \) \) organization center instructional research computing activities lines 26 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu article calvin nyu edu , roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) writes 's really interesting tell , mis folks basement es 9000 n't seem pissed ibm \? idea either ibm really take care customers better , customers brainwashed better smaller vendors , mis folks infinite budgets death , also get parts budget allocated upgrades , maintenance , new purchases , lot ibm mainframe purchases actually software basically , engineers tight budgets , e designers company , bitch moan drop 15 , 000 sparc 1 see faster machine appear year later mis types upgrade every 5 10 years , costs depreciated longer period , budget office justifies expense actually use machines accounting , payroll , etc , budget office dependant engineers reason like payroll accounts , 'd sure hell see every engineer new cray desktop every year \) brian
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject waco aflame organization stephen f austin state university lines 10 abolish cults ! start f b
ez027993 dale ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) subject warning homeowners , low flying aircraft , astronomers organization pitchers ca n't throw strikes , limited \( wakefield division \) lines 11 oakland , california , sunday , april 25th , 1 05 pm pdt jose mesa vs storm davis warned gary huckabay outside \? ! right pipe , kenny ! realize n't great control , dave net c'mon ! gary , styrofoam cup really plate 's foot right throw ball
marty sachs ux1 cso uiuc edu subject 72 pin simms q 800 , careful buying organization usda ars uiuc lines 17 purchased mb 72 pin \( 60 ns \) simms quadra 800 chip merchant \( 've satisfied past \) either one alone works , together fail called apple advice told problem composite simms non composite simms used q 800 chip merchant confirmed presently sell composite 72 pin simms , q 800 simms need 60 ns non composite marty sachs usda ars uiuc ux1 cso uiuc edu internet turner hall bitnet 1102 ave \( 217 \) 244 phone urbana , il 61801 \( 217 \) 333 fax
ncu edu tw subject question setup video projector vga organization computer center , ncu , taiwan , r c lines 16 asked design video aid system teacher show students work way round windows seen people using video projector , tv set large size monitor display presentations told three ways connect video projector composite , c rgb anyone explain different three likely cost \? would also like know telnet kermit windows please reply via e well bulletin internet account ncu edu tw tim chen
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject thoughts organization distribution na lines 10 article 1993apr26 daffy cs wisc edu , mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes article blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes think lot agonizing ways get killed fatal cancer , instance anyone else \? maybe make list dying blood clot bad place kidney stones complete
kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? originator kelleyb kelleyb austin ibm com reply kelleyb austin ibm com organization ibm austin , powerpc lines 27 research shown majority time united states' 30 35 million personal computers , quote deleted ok , question \? people copy article , new thing add post name \? i'm picking person , 've seen mistake \? missing something \? unknown net missed somewhere \? skip quoted material , since 've already read , look non quoted material , get name addition supposed agree , second \? sorry wondering missed something somewhere along line copy relevant articles like local bbses everyone newsgroup access \) kelley thomas kelley boylan , powerpc , ibm austin , kelleyb austin ibm com buy pay opinions
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject jack morris organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 77 maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes way knowing cannot separate morris' tion rest team 's one way ing best baseball looking scoreboard end game game determines team best day end season , team best often best division playoffs determine best best point decision making pro used determine best score game lates teams individual players method inherent baseball comparing individual performances , , , baseball team game know \? method inherent real life either would assume would endorse notion cannot state , level objectivity , mother accomplished good world joseph stalin , life earth team effort want select group statistics claim clemens done better statistics criteria , fine able prove statistics measure individual 's contribution winning ws measure best meaning context base ball prove clemens contributes ws morris evaluation clemens totally sub mere opinion yet see predict ws winner greater accuracy jeanne dixon tried glasses \? find quite useful , must reason choose ignore evidence present 's bad feel necessary close mind eyes knowledge live poorer life result choice heck , 'd wager could predict ws winner greater accuracy jeanne dixon know \? full confidence despite contrary , quite capable using knowledge come statistical methods boost knowledge level n't rude tried calling kettle black \? say means either missed entire point argument , committed fallacy saying morris better clemens rings \( although , tongue cheek , claimed past \) saying impossible isolate individual 's performance team 's purpose comparing individual 's performance another individual 's per words , world , cannot objectively state jack morris important blue jays al last year world , may indeed true fortunately , world rest us occupy , 's hope never serve jury , roger think rest jury would kill 's way objectively judge defendant innocent guilty see , 2 billion people planet way knowing whether defendant would committed crime n't people planet way knowing defendant would acted different planet , living planet team effort individual crime totally isolated society part society case , anything say would absolute , refuse vote greg
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks jack feirerra \( sharks kingston fired ! ! ! \) organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 16 nntp posting host apple com mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes 've loyal ticket holder , since day 1 \( literally \) spring '90 team announced i'm getting loyalty returned well , , see completely different guess 's matter perspective chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
u009 csx cciw ca \( g stewart beal \) subject caltech puff pd ftp \? rf tools \? organization canada centre inland waters lines 18 article 1993apr26 sni co uk mje sni co uk \( mike \) writes hi , anyone know whether puff rf design package available via ftp site \? understand , public domain please correct i'm wrong one puff sold caltech , although inexpensively quality source also available earlier releases nominal charge , i'm sure practise continued regards , stu beal , , u009 csx cciw ca , national water research institute , burlington , ontario , canada 'd made yet another nuclear winter lawn trapped eaten first robin kyle j
force ssd lmsc lockheed com subject long term space voyanges effect newsgroup \? reply force ssd lmsc lockheed com organization lmsc , sunnyvale , california lines 71 article hsc usc edu , khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes first item business establish importance space life sciences whole scheme humankind mean compared football baseball , average joe schmoe n't seem interested even curious spaceflight disagree think average joe interested curious spaceflight sees elitist activity one ever going participate us , way , contribute comprehensive document released general public around world document would scientifically analyze technical aspects long term human habitation space general public going interested technical details long term space habitation \? like idea study , released scientists engineers able use want general public document , 'll need general publication believe long term space exploration program succeed need basically learn engineer \( e spacecraft \) careful analyses engineering , chemical , biological , medical factors good created facilitate human life long duration flight one working controlled ecological life support systems , engineering n't problem problem understanding basic chemical , biological medical factors able engineer efficiently example , way know produce food plants animals food synthesis far advanced orbit farm well 's obviously efficient , use technology reduce mass grow plants instead using dirt engineering comes new technologies bring new basic questions n't answers like , dirt grow tomatoes lettuce right beside , turns ca n't lettuce growth 's grown solution tomatoes consider plants going similar interactions means basic applied scientific research 's needs done technologies developed far also need find interact together 's , would like see posts opinions regarding objective methods analyze accepted scientific literature technologies applied long duration spaceflight first need literature search lot information maybe pick specific area long term habitation could useful , especially make available net look methods analyzing technologies detailed literature search would interest space advocates clearly important existing space programs essence , would dividing space life science issues various technical problems could solved various technologies database acceptable solutions various problems could form basis detailed discussions involving people , isunet , source ! unless unbelievable interest net , think develop detailed data base literature search first accomplish go real analysis data base could useful future engineers 's response ken , think \? tim
ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) subject gamma ray bursters article ptolemy ethanb 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu organization u washington lines 59 nntp posting host kepler astro washington edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) reply steinly topaz ucsc edu 's message 27 apr 93 12 14 43 article steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes problem oort cloud sources absolutely plausible mechanism proposed would involve new physics far tell closest conventional oort sources model b field pinching comets , 's got many holes count , least good try plausible model grb 's astronomical distances \? recent observations ruled merging neutron star hypothesis , lot problems , anyhow look implausible models fundamentally allowed independent models paper possibility grb 's oort cloud came astrophysics abstract service get copy paper , send message astro ph subject line get abstract paper currently favored explanation origin grbs puts cosmological distances long distance indicator events possible sources distributed remain consideration oort cloud comets kept list , although known mechanism generating grbs cometary nuclei unlikely may seem , possibility grbs originate solar cometary cloud cannot excluded disproved use available data distribution grbs \( batse catalogue march , 1992 \) , catalogue cometary orbits williams \( 1992 \) investigate whether observational indication correlations angular distributions grbs , assuming distribution direction reflect , least extent , true variations column density oort cloud also apply test distributions performed variety statistical tests \( test distributions galactic latitude , chi 2 test spherical multiple moments , 2 cross correlation analysis \) , including testing sub samples isolating effect possible observational biases tests imply unlikely two distributions agree , statistical significance sufficient ruling connection complete confidence performed monte carlo simulations show number bursts exceeds sim 800 possible rule correlation angular distributions currently , combination tests large disagreement found parameter makes oort cloud comets unlikely related grbs
carter cae wisc edu \( carter gregory \) subject pds vs nubus \( lc iii nubus capable \? \) organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 57 article bigboote wpi edu bchase bigwpi wpi edu \( bret chase \) writes article liverpool ac uk wis liverpool ac uk \( mr w sellers \) writes bill higgins beam jockey \( higgins fnalf fnal gov \) wrote article c5kzls kkb dartvax dartmouth edu , hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) writes mmiller garnet msen com \( marvin miller \) writes friend recently purchased lc iii wants know demon called nubus adapter pds slot \? lc family macs use pds cards able use nubus ah , \? technically hip macslinger tell us difference pds nubus \? impossible make gadget plugs pds ends nubus card cage \? least , marvin 's friend able locate one neither fundamental reason \? think exist nubus expansion cages \( i'm sure 've seen advertised occassionally \) , think main problem cost much difference price say lc iivx unless need lots nubus slots worth bother \( course , may extra boxes expensive one buys expensive \) nubus technology n't special apple thing \( sneaky feeling licensed texas instruments \? \? \? \) problem building expansion box apple uses ieee nubus 90 standard 32 bit bus \( got couple weeks ago \) well , almost nubus 90 anyway , comprehensive bus contention processors supported current macintoshes , could wrong \? however , know fact seeing cyclone data spec sheets , n't ask , macintosh cyclone models provide full implementation nubus standard interesting possibilities indeed ! stuff deleted hope helps , bret chase internet bchase wpi wpi edu macintosh ! \( 508 \) 791 smile ! wo n't kill ! wpi box \) \) \) \) \) \) \) \) 100 institute rd worcester , 01609 2280 greg
rsc altair csustan edu \( steve cunningham \) subject siggraph online experimental publication available summary 's keywords siggraph , electronic online issue organization csu lines 49 rich writes article 1993may7 bert eecs uic edu , rsc siggraph org \( steve cunningham \) writes computer graphics experimental special online issue may 1993 may 1993 experimental special issue computer graphics online set files siggraph org system directory ftp publications may 93 online made available computer graphics community acm siggraph general theme issue electronic documents , table contents files tell publication contents ftp 'd , found nothing removed \? nope , 's still ftp siggraph org connected siggraph org 220 siggraph org ftp server \( version 6 12 tue apr 13 09 53 56 cdt 1993 \) ready name \( siggraph org rsc \) anonymous 331 guest login ok , send e mail address password password 230 230 welcome siggraph org , machine maintained acm 230 siggraph volunteers service active 230 computer graphics community 230 ftp cd publications may 93 online 250 cwd command successful ftp ls 200 port command successful 150 opening ascii mode data connection file list maurer skip russell gonzalez green announcements calendar contacts index read 226 transfer complete 141 bytes received 0 04 seconds \( 3 4 kbytes \) ftp
cleveland freenet edu \( bill e jones \) subject race violence organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 2 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject gamma ray bursters organization express access online communications usa lines 17 nntp posting host access digex net article judy uh edu wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov writes article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes big enough problem , create new area physics \? little speculative thinking folks pat well pat agree like first idea probably gamma ray signature warp transitions interstellar spacecraft ! \) dennis agree lot , 's n't post agree something disagree , tends lot noticeable \) pat
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization adobe systems incorporated lines 45 article 1993apr20 wvnvms wvnet edu nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes agree hirschbeck instructed also gant listened however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy wholeheartedly endorse problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand n't many 's games , \? seriously , n't mind baseball game lasts long time lasts long time good baseball played however , n't like 3 2 games take 3 hours , 's lot dead time going game n't find anything exciting watching batter pitcher wander around pitches , watching catcher make slow walk mound , watching lots pitcher changes good reason \( whitey herzog used master game could way reach , 'd still making switches platoon advantage \) want see game , people standing around n't really enjoy watching nfl football games person , example , 's much dead time \( n't really notice much dead time watch television , 're busy showing replays \) n't like college basketball games many time outs end game \( ncaa made moves try alleviate problem next year 're going stop clock made late games next year , 're going 35 second clock \) 's also difference tolerant long games i'm watching tube , i'm going person , going 's game become major commitment time , one i'm willing make often length games costing 's revenue sherri nichols snichols adobe com
hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) subject story respect reply hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) organization commodore , west chester , pa lines 29 article 1993apr23 pacesetter com lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes nudity , fine loud noise , fine party night , fine right place time please , let 's trample 's rights bitch n't treat us like gods michael menard know , n't even going respond typical anti party attitude message trash everywhere reason \? enough massive crowd oatman n't prepared vast number people showed n't think michael 's response anti party rather pro environmental agree gotta let us hogs roam every awhile let 's hope next year oatman better prepared pick asshole 've already admitted i'm asshole many times net friends assholes \( lyrics new song \? \) , want dime call someone cares \? well , one thought told good story , even say hole ! \) need biker written news 's unfortunate got flamed telling , know controversial group rate , keep good work continue post stories jerry \( '93 \)
klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) subject imake tex looking beta testers organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 22 nntp posting host tommy informatik uni dortmund de article fbi news informatik uni dortmund de , klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) writes \) seems attractive , b \) willing test imake tex send short test report , c \) willing cope english documentation \( however , german version completed included \) , invited beta tester looking forward e mail please n't respond anymore , enough beta testers thank dipl inform rainer klute r b immer richtig beraten univ dortmund , irb postfach 500500 \) tel 49 231 755 4663 w4600 dortmund 50 fax 49 231 755 2386 new address june 30th univ dortmund , 44221 dortmund
cisko fnal gov \( greg cisko \) subject vcpi memory standard organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov read article another group mentions never heard vcpi memory standard someone explain \? \? \? thanks greg cisko
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject tempest distribution na organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 40 nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu article 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu \( kirill shklovsky \) writes article 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) writes i'm afraid n't work either pick laptop screens without problem called `low radiation' monitors also useless description turns marketing assertion rather engineering one thought might market monitor expensive military tempest kit , well enough shielded stop eavesdropping using available receivers built prototype , works , 's still sitting lab bench commercial interest exactly zero absence open standards , monitor really `low radiation' \( costs 500 dollars \) ca n't compete monitor claims `low radiation' \( whose extra cost production pretty blue sticker box \) ross heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? thought something yes , laptops still read , 's quite easy normal pc crt thought , airline pilots lately complaining laptops used flight mess plane 's instruments hyped , manufacturers may start building laptops even lower emmisions would probably still possible pick surveillance equipment , point , would lot cheaper mask remaining signals tempest techniques doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 43 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article f3p murdoch acc virginia edu , gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) writes article philc5n6d5 mk3 netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes tells something fascist politics practiced ah , ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy , university virginia force people associate others , yes good grief ! believe may argument may discussed intelligently ! guess person dislikes contact people ethnic minority however , argument falls flat face state , anti discrimination bill , would forced associate others homosexuals , assume know associate , except may closeted \? would like change argument read forced associate truthfully homosexual people \? proof anyone know may homosexual punches large hole argument belief homosexual comes one flavour \( sic \) camp type \? prove cannot must admit though , looks actually thought response time instead raving clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 27 article jha noose ecn purdue edu garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes article 1993apr27 news acns nwu edu brice merle acns nwu edu \( benjamin rice \) writes reason fire department could n't fight fire bullets throughout area koresh large arsenal maybe feds would decided scene would useless waste taxes potentially dangerous different fire broken waco , come fire department compound area 49 days , sent away two days fbi attack \? \( whatever comment hazards fighting fire midst ammo cooking \) maybe fire department loudly complaining whole time diverted duties , fbi said fine go home 'll call need million things could happened , n't know btw , first time heard waco fd scene last 2 days 's source \( curiosity \) \? personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenia get away turkish genocide 's cover reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 118 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes know true n't \? well , apparently another son dro 'the contend indeed happy know huge discussion distortions propagated several contemporaries feel simply act armenian governmental crony forum sadly mistaken duly embarrassed lecture another historical revisionist genocide apologist , fact article article , paragraph paragraph , line line , lie lie , revision revision , written net , plan armenian genocide 2 5 million turks kurds nothing less classic un redressed genocide neither x soviet union , similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship , employs dictates hitler domestic unrest also , feel free distribute responses nearest asala sdpa arf terrorists , armenian pseudo scholars , affiliated armenian criminal organizations x soviet armenian government got away genocide 2 5 million turkish men , women children enjoying fruits genocide , like , get away genocide 's cover first world war ensuing years 1914 1920 , armenians premeditated systematic genocide , tried complete centuries old policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering 2 5 million muslims deporting rest 1 , 000 year homeland attempt genocide justly regarded first instance genocide 20th century acted upon entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians , government international political leaders , u ambassador mark bristol , william langer , ambassador layard , james barton , stanford shaw , arthur chester , john dewey , robert dunn , papazian , nalbandian , ohanus appressian , jorge blanco villalta , general nikolayef , general bolkovitinof , general prjevalski , general odiselidze , meguerditche , kazimir , motayef , twerdokhlebof , general hamelin , rawlinson , avetis aharonian , dr stephan eshnanie , varandian , general bronsart , arfa , dr hamlin , boghos nubar , sarkis atamian , katchaznouni , rachel bortnick , halide edip , mccarthy , w b allen , paul muratoff many others j c hurewitz , professor government emeritus , former director middle east institute \( 1971 1984 \) , columbia university bernard lewis , cleveland e dodge professor near eastern history , princeton university halil inalcik , university professor ottoman history member american academy arts sciences , university chicago peter golden , professor history , rutgers university , newark stanford shaw , professor history , university california los angeles thomas naff , professor history director , middle east research institute , university pennsylvania ronald jennings , associate professor history asian studies , university illinois howard reed , professor history , university connecticut dankwart rustow , distinguished university professor political science , city university graduate school , new york john woods , associate professor middle eastern history , university chicago john masson smith , jr , professor history , university california berkeley alan fisher , professor history , michigan state university avigdor levy , professor history , brandeis university andreas g e bodrogligetti , professor history , university california los angeles kathleen burrill , associate professor turkish studies , columbia university roderic davison , professor history , george washington university walter denny , professor history , university massachusetts caesar farah , professor history , university minnesota tom goodrich , professor history , indiana university pennsylvania tibor halasi kun , professor emeritus turkish studies , columbia university justin mccarthy , professor history , university louisville jon mandaville , professor history , portland state university \( oregon \) robert olson , professor history , university kentucky madeline zilfi , professor history , university maryland james stewart robinson , professor turkish studies , university michigan list goes serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject postscript viewer , icons organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 45 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de article ccu umanitoba ca , ccu umanitoba ca \( r ross holder jr \) writes ever since started use xwindows \( say recently \) 've accumulated questions x applications three examples follow 1 \) recently mentioned comp os linux exists post script viewer interested x editor improvement xedit \( find annoying \) try get axe 's wonderful x based editor much simpler use emacs overkill course , emacs editor religion 2 \) one point proud owner amiga \( since upgraded 33 \) workbench \( point click interface \) used info files store data icons associated applications given volume noticed architecture anywhere linux xwindows associate icons applications \? one edit icons generate new ones applications somehow \? \( makes difference i'm running \) 1 \) n't call going amiga ibm 2 \) amiga workbench job desktop manager , really amazing good x desktop manager public domain \( i'm currently writing one 's early stage \) 3 \) may medium good replacement 4 \) x associates icons nothing number x window managers associate icons windows , way ease window management nothing icons desktop manager application 5 \) tool bitmap simple icon drawing 3 \) 've noticed people somehow discovered way display gif \( kind picture files \) background , either replacing overlapping usual grey background employed xwindows heard done using application , n't recall xv root max quit whatever image file brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
maple circa ufl edu subject memory organization center instructional research computing activities lines 6 reply ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu anyone know absolute memory locations windows , ie hardware memory mapped high addresses 16mb \? please reply email thanks david
gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) subject riddle organization georgia institute technology lines 24 article chinet chi il us dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) writes subject cs cn tear gas received initial introduction could n't find window six hours \? daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract ever violently sick repeatedly \? , difficult drag back bed , much less move building full smoke debris , especially likely already disoriented lack sleep constant psychological abuse throw fact outside consists people shot thrown grenades , currently knocking house tanks , could understand bd 's inclined stay put center building james cochrane danger , doubt , run space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles , scream shout rent
davem ee ubc ca \( dave michelson \) subject mothership flybys cutting costs organization university bc , electrical engineering lines 11 article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes voyagers exploited lineup occurs every couple centuries , even voyager 2 took rather indirect route neptune indirect compared \? voyager 2 substantially greater distance , say , orbit \? 've never heard voyager 's path described indirect dave michelson davem ee ubc ca university british columbia
paw coos dartmouth edu \( pat wilson \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 22 commercial , government , institutional users must register copies xv , exceedingly reasonable price 25 per workstation x terminal site licenses available wish run xv large number machines contact author details would appreciated announcement policy change dartmouth able run xv 3 0 , i'm probably going take v2 line \( somehow missed shareware designation readme v2 , n't realize supposed register \) also debate whether , new institutions must pay policy belongs contrib directory export , contrib means contributed \( e strings , except copyright \) attached pat wilson systems manager , project paw dartmouth edu
wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu \( william vanhorne \) subject behave \( waco reading suggestion \) nntp posting host photon magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 10 article pgf srl03 cacs usl edu pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes come noone mentions eric talking fanatic behavior anymore \? good point n't read true believer eric , first opportunity n't know style , true believer still best explanation behavior ever written bill vanhorne
subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? stubbs hawk cs ukans edu \( jerry stubbs \) organization university kansas computer science dept lines 17 article exodus eng sun com , gsager heliacal eng sun com \( gary \) writes work , pointed done monitors power switch front pet peeve mine wish companies would put power switches front equipment ! apple monitor switch front , would happily power night almost every piece computer equipment use switch back \( including external hard drives modems \? \) hope front mounted switches become norm , soon extra wire work put switch front usually easiest place put switch wherever power cord enters machine , people hate power cords front ! ! prefer power strip
bourman hpcc01 corp hp com \( bob bourman \) subject microcom pocket modem sale organization hp corporate notes server lines 26 hpcc01 comp dcom modems bourman hpcc01 corp hp com \( bob bourman \) 8 59 apr 27 , 1993 hpcc01 comp dcom modems bourman hpcc01 corp hp com \( bob bourman \) 8 51 apr 27 , 1993 sale microcom 1042 pocket modem new list price 895 rechargeable battery pack \( modem \) auto , password security , uucp kermit support , remote access cellular connection , 4 , v 42 error correction mnp5 v 42bis data compression bell 103 , , v 22 , v 22bis microcom turbo mode 19 , 200 dte 12 , dce speed 9 25 pin adapter cable ac power transformer make offer \( 200 \) bob bourman \( 415 \) 857 e mail bourman corp hp com
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject thyroidal deficiency organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 18 adobe \( andrea bruno \) writes article mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com \( eileen bauer \) writes thyroxin controls energy production explains , coldness , weight gain also water retention \( possibly around heart \) , changes vision , hair skin among things relation thyroid deficiency depression \? depression thyroid deficiency thyroid blood tests easy , cheap , effective diagnosing thyroid deficiencies jackie
sinn carson u washington edu \( philip sinn \) subject et4000 w32 3dbench summary 26 3 frame per second keywords 3dbench , benchmark article shelley distribution world organization university washington , seattle lines 13 nntp posting host carson u washington edu due large amount request 3dbench et4000 w32 , finally get 3dbench v1 0 ftp site 3dbench et4000 w32 w32 card 1mb dram benchmark 26 3 frames sec hope satisfy people curiosity et4000 w32 performance benchmark program result would want know \? 8 \) philip sinn sinn carson u washington edu university washington opinions
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization dsi uscrpac distribution na lines 50 n't figure , message reply another sci crypt , poster put p g followup line n't notice apologies confused substance makes little sense unless one reads prior messages however , n't wish enter discussion , yet another long tired set arguments suffice say disagree interpretation well regulated second amendment offered gun lovers , think distortion phrase associated federalist papers webster reading language convinces word meant control , disciplined , good think latter special interest pleading one yet shown reference well regulated unambiguously meant good , control disciplined , etc thus continue believe second amendment militia clause clause others welcome disagree \( know many \) little would served topic particular forum avoid flames , unproductive , note 've come post one message , clarify one i'm outta though i'm available via e mail david article n3n netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes though agree place discuss guns , note passing number gun apologists seem ignored words well regulated distorted interpretations second amendment david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
astro ocis temple edu \( chris \) subject sony receiver organization temple university lines 32 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 gotten 8 9 years digital receiver , acting verry strange late hope following symptoms may help someone diagnose error know whatever lithium memory backup long died thus unplug wo n't remember presets given listening remote \( tried changing remote 's batteries \) try remote function receiver registers received \( green remote light flashes \) right function n't happen function \( also strange hit mute button , example , display panel goes black yikes 've never seen \) started , system turned sometimes wo n't play radio station , kinda twist \( yes kinda flex motherboard , chasis \) get radio tuning back aux function always works however inconvenient , inconvenient enough pay expensive repair fee , i'm hardware guy , wonder something simple surge quick fix strange thing symptoms come go someone told unit series bad voltage amp chip anyway
longs lance colostate edu \( jeremy davis \) subject tenor saxophone nntp posting host dark lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 24 sale mark vii tenor saxophone used college jazz band performances include copy new real book collection jazz classics various standards \( paid 30 \) extras included asking 1100 discuss shipping cod charges send e mail call 303 224 \( home \) 303 491 \( school \) davis longs lance colostate edu
reply win net \( richard \) win net \( richard \) subject psychics lines 14 look future discover lies ahead love , health finance speak live psychic choice 900 446 extension 107 must 18 call calls cost 2 95 per minute introduction
simonson bert eecs uic edu \( shai simonson \) subject dec pc graphics tools organization university illinois chicago lines 28 applying nsf grant buy equipment laboratory lab need support c \( pascal \) graphics tools run lab either pc 's dec equipment familiar appropriate products \( software hardware \) precise prices please contact shai edu interested available discounts also , anyone runs lab using similar software hardware , would interested hearing opinions success thanks shai simonson college n e
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject photographers removed compound organization stratus computer , inc lines 41 distribution na nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article bus news udel edu , roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes find disturbing good keep thinking critically wo n't feel free like need tips \) seriously , insulted , apologize tiresome thing group many people tell others sucking government ever decide something government says plausible praise independent thinkers whenever find something government says implausible people sucking government decide things government says plausible especially refuse consider reasonable alternatives however , saw tv news last night , 's longer necessary independent thinker depart government 's party line looks like independent press may actually starting earn clothes , , good sign hope continues 's clue independent thinkers able come either conclusion depending circumstances non critical thinkers ones would always come type conclusion regardless circumstances independent thinkers question authority situation one set facts presented , coming conclusion hallmark independent thinker unless 's coupled ability challenge facts critically scientific method consists choosing popular hypothesis 's even choosing two hypotheses people proposed cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) subject waco information accuracy organization university nebraska lincoln lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu remembered first reports came fbi , independent observers , e press , allowed get close see things official tend self serving agencies issue people general tend believe first reports , get biggest headlines corrections often overlooked example fbi report several bodies found rubble bullet wounds local coroner , independent fbi , far found bullet wounds !
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject hot cpu \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 42 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware scholten nist gov \( robert scholten \) subject hot cpu \? date wed apr 21 19 01 49 1993 temp 486dx2 66 \( measured k type fluke 55 dig thermometer \) idle temp lots bus , floating point , 32 bit protected mode etc micron computer , without heatsink recently put heatsink fan chip , might take fan makes horrible whine times , wonder vibration pins cpu etc rob scholten scholten nist gov end file , press return quit rob , n't worry whine fan go away 3 weeks use , mine vibration well something thought tower case mb mounted vertically mounted fan case blows air cpu heatsink instead work like charm , realy think whine goes away fan fan stop \( burn \) would ever know cpu goes smoke thats thinking parts together time assemble yet build controlled circuit turn speaker led temp goes normal operating range \( \) use radio shack junk 5 think one ! sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) subject story respect nntp posting host organization siemens pacesetter , inc lines 48 article 1993apr19 pacesetter com lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes got back 11th annual southern california harley dealers association run colorado river city , nevada people ca n't enjoy without assholes \? want treated respect , need treat others , property , towns respect several years ago , annual fly experimental aircraft association \( \) near , wisconsin although approximately 100 , 000 people attendance , piece litter anywhere everyone considerate enough place trash belonged 's problem fun , raising hell , etc consideration respect others critical need work , nudity , fine loud noise , fine party night , fine right place time please , let 's trample 's rights bitch n't treat us like gods michael menard know , n't even going respond typical anti party attitude message trash everywhere reason \? enough massive crowd oatman n't prepared vast number people showed btw michael , oatman right place time 's called run ! maybe n't read comment loved us i'm talking merchants merchants n't want us shops closed maybe mentioned left trash picked \( aluminum sells \) crew assigned task think bottom line want us back \? \? \? ! ! ! ! went oatman typical harley run 's innocent fun since enjoy typical harley fun runs eyes makes asshole 've already admitted i'm asshole many times net friends assholes \( lyrics new song \? \) , want dime call someone cares \? appears difference opinion maybe look big picture pass judgement others 11th annual tell something lynn hall nos bros
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization clark university lines 13 ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) writes think , everything else equal , 's much ask game shortened half hour cutting pitches , dawdling outside batter 's box , commerical time outs sort thing , i'm asking much know shortened half hour \? anybody done study determine much time actually wasted say , 's games \? heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
horton uxa cso uiuc edu \( death success \) subject leafs crushed blues win flames back organization university illinois urbana lines 34 jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) writes article vzhivov cunews vzhivov alfred carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) writes joseph , shut hawks 2 0 blues playing like '86 clutch 'n grab , shoot puck 's incredibly boring watch , works road agree , 's boring 're blues fan , blues played two perfect road games boring right ! ! ! likely cause stroke ! ! listen game two station n't think could take another call joseph makes spectacular i'm blues fan , n't want play like played game two sure result fine , blues match well hawks really n't need treat like 86 flames n't need monday night miracle chance beat chicago blues talent least hawks rich h go blues ! ! \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
ggeorge bu edu \( gerry george \) subject archive controler lines 16 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 frederic pierre \( fred sobel u fr \) wrote hello , i'm looking supplier archive tape drive controlers \( european preferred \) could provide card old 2 drive knows could find beast \? thank advance attention i'm similarly looking controllers archive even number contact archive \( whatever company called \) would help gerry george anything good life either school management , boston univ illegal , immoral internet ggeorge acs bu edu item three compu erve 2560 compuserve com categories causes cancer rats !
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject info colonics purification \? organization portal system \( tm \) 1993apr30 1683 newsgate sps mot com lines 25 everything goes comes , personaly n't mind giving body hand experience , george 've got nice collection historical books medical quackery , topic massage recurring theme ordinary massage intended make person feel better , especially muscular joint problems like chiropracty practitioners take technique far extreme , invoking seems quack science justify technique case massage , technique called deep abdominal massage literally attempting massage intestines ! notion food inner surface intestines , releasing cause various disease syndromes vigorous painful procedure , alleged deposits passed ca n't believe idea truth behind ! human intestine new york city sewer pipe ! even , eat half small box , ai n't gonna nothin' sticking inner surface intestine \)
hrubin pop stat purdue edu \( herman rubin \) subject u government science technolgy investment organization purdue university statistics department lines 75 article 1993apr30 aio jsc nasa gov kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov writes people criticize big government projects rarely seem consistent view role government science technology basically , u government gotten role supporting research private industry finds expensive long term \( historically , role u gov't forced upon socialism countries order u industries compete government subsidized foreign competitors , u gov't taken role big ticket long lead r \) definitely nothing entry government support science relevant technology little involvement federal funds , except support state universities , state funds , scientific research wwii us research position growing steadily , funding mainly university private foundation funds many research universities , provided researchers low teaching loads , laboratories , assistants , equipment , funds travel scientific meetings much , provided , university wishing get scholar consider research funding well salary wwii , military defense departments found pure scientists could quite well problems , even though exactly areas expertise probably research mind approach , try find solution , understand problem see solution works stages , research scientists used discussion problems , job got done military realized importance maintaining scientists future , started funding pure research wwii congress unwilling military funds diverted investment future supply scientists , set organizations , nsf , job also set elaborate procedure supposedly keep politics also , government job private foundations , making difficult act support research worst part federal involvement areas government supports research university provide funding , fact expects scholars bring net government money suppose , case , project could use assistance graduate student months think happens ask one \? answer get , get money nsf money university level thousand , nsf level comes 20 thousand , likely keep faculty member getting supported government , effect , deciding projects get supported , much also , government decided wealth spread instead moderate number universities primarily research institutions , idea schools get act came instead evaluating scholars , go evaluating proposals researcher , tell research proposal mainly wishful thinking , happens , investigator already done work release results research proposing today may solve funding granted , may find impossible , may find difficult addition , tomorrow may get unexpected research results possibly may bet bright idea solves yesterday 's difficult problem , whole new approach something considered develop nature beast , except really vague statements , something predicted , major research , development routine activity requiring minimal attention good researcher believe time less quality research done would happened government never gotten , government trying divert researchers thinkers herman rubin , dept statistics , purdue univ , west lafayette 1399 phone \( 317 \) 494 hrubin snap stat purdue edu \( internet , bitnet \) purdue , pur ee ! snap stat ! hrubin \( uucp \)
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april lines 121 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article pew hawnews watson ibm com , strom watson ibm com \( rob strom \) writes article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes order reject word fbi batf neccessary beleive words man murdered 17 children ordered suicide murder 80 followers according account given batf attempted serve warrant upon koresh ranch met gunfire deliberate attempt murder koresh gun supporter claim batf started shooting simply stand aft gone start shooting would gone heavier grade weaponry standard issue handguns practical purposes unarmed , b followers automatic weapons people want gun control must obviously discount entire government story simply rationalisation enough simply dismiss government incompetent would require come solution instead come government conspiracy theory whereby government decided set murder 80 people set sort scare alow get gun control legislation must object characterization opposed government 's handling waco situation gun supporters argument tries paint batf critics right wing gun nuts , mixes two issues one batf fbi critics , yet liberal anti gun happen believe everyone civil rights , even religious crazies 're human beings , nest wasps 're trying exterminate batf created crisis situation way handled original raid well known koresh regularly went jogging outside property could served search warrant could arrested refused comply instead officers armed grenades invaded property escalated shooting war tragic deaths sides first two mistakes bad judgment asking knock warrant , bad probably illegal way already unwise warrant served point , situation escalated described armed standoff hostage crisis 's government started covering traces , sealing warrant , reported history incident , etc things already building disaster government could simply closed supply routes waited according janet reno , option never seriously considered , supposedly agents frustrated , supposedly backups , felt go yes govt handled rambo hollywood type style perhaps thats way handle completely different thing start asserting many done government primarily blame comparisons nazis particular purely gratuitous since provided constructive opinion issue post taken seriously peter nelson also made good points low key approach might effective point though learn mistakes govt played wrong card lost thats big deal four guys murdered begining maybee prepared situation could \? thing happen might perhaps able govt used tactics failed way ca n't say would made mistake maybee would n't n't rule go confrontational situation avoid maybee would press difficult try macho stuff fbi information within compound access may calculated b followers resolve cracking based listening devices within compound knew koresh one suicide attempt may reason considered fear might weapon breaking resolve panama used heavy rock music great effect bush 's invasion funny koresh supporters complain much death several thousand civilians us govt attempted arrest former ally please let 's turn pro gun vs anti gun discussion anti gun people believe gun owners deserve get assaulted armed government agents koresh 's civil rights exist whether guns legal , illegal , illegal legal , whatever ! koresh civil rights minute followers fired police helicopter matter whether warrant technically valid guys carrying thought thus assault completely inexcusable matter rationalisation people might wish employ course consider guns issue whole core question everything else diversion phill hallam baker
dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) subject manual shift bigots nntp posting host reply dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) organization bell northern research ltd lines 24 article 1993apr21 1501 rtsg mot com , kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering many cities , traffic signals every 100 feet \( , course \( well ottawa anyway \) \) roads shifting manually real pain left foot also , canadians stupid learn shift manually \( gee , gotta co two feet clutch , brake accelerator , gotta steer , shift operate signals \( optional \) radio two hands duh ca n't done \) also , north american made cars come automatic standard equipment , bother manual car shift addition money john kissane motorola ireland ltd , 'o o' uucp uunet ! ! ! industrial estate , \( \) \( \) internet rtsg mot com , , ireland u doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer opinions 1 3 5 bell northern research ltd ottawa , ontario , canada dept service control point routing services design 2 3 r
ssd kodak com \( frank brown 726 \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization eastman kodak lines 56 article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article dusek shale dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) writes ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) writes cultists \) think 'll quote bbc quoting \( actually voice interview \) one two british survivors claimed fire started tanks caused internal wooden wall roof collapse knocking kerosene lamps suicide plan fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? n't know , \? ap story fri morning walls came tear gas filled air , cult leader david koresh sprang action left third floor bedroom began looking around house , making sure women children secure checking everyone gas masks properly within hours , compound became inferno nine branch davidians story , gleaned lawyers spoke six jailed charges include conspiracy murder day six said portable radio offered contact outside world since koresh 's right hand man , steve schneider , ripped compounds 's phone line fbi agents called dawn monday saying cults last chance come prepare get forced kept word dawn , tanks mount carmel compound , punching hours holes tear gas enter bd meanwhile proceeded daily routines strapped gas masks , women laundry others read bibles rooms 17 children , 10 , remained sides still , hard ignore happening around time tank rammed poorly constructed building shook violently cult members falling doors hundreds gas canisters hurled armored vehicles filling air noxious fumes flying canisters frightening tanks least one man hit face gas began filling air , driven heavy gusts wind coming windows holes tanks made scattered throughout house , cult members made efforts gather fbi sent biggest weapon massive armored vehicle headed chamber , lined cinder blocks , authorities hoped find koresh schneider fire tear gas directly cult story government 's version fbi says cult members set fires three places six cult members , separate discussions lawyers , consistently gave versions odds fbi 's account say tank flattened barrel propane , spilling contents tank house , tipped lit lanterns , spitting flames ignited propane home used lumber , plywood , tacked together tar paper vulnerable building erupted nine bd 's escaped jumping windows others died groping frank
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject v max handling request disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host relva rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 33 article tcora b329 gator 3 pica army mil , tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) writes jearls tekig6 pen tek com \( jeffrey david earls \) wrote ba7116326 ntuvax ntu ac sg writes hello anyone handson experience riding yamaha v max , pls kindly comment handling guy came race school last weekend number plates v max n't get 2 practice laps pushed frame hard drove guard rail back straight btw rider conscious semi coherent ambulance carted 's know hate pick someone may seriously injured \( let 's hope \) , semi coherent sounds like good description someone shows track w vmax first place make showing old interceptor worse brakes handling \( due bent frame \) vmax \? n't even uh well , semi coherent ambulance uh nevermind axel \)
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject faith dogma organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 28 reply tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) light happened waco , need get something chest faith dogma dangerous agreed philosopher cannot christian philosopher change mind , whereas christian cannot , due nature faith dogma present religion hard understand , quite professional scientists philosophers theists sure , religion many good qualities encourages benevolence also intolerance superstition i'm sure balance detrimental would n't nice everyone secular humanist \? sure would ! david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject sdio ! organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 6 nntp posting host access digex net mention liberal presidents , nixon , ford , reagan , bush nothing support true commercial space activities pat
njs lahabra chevron com \( n j \) subject espn reply njs chevron com organization chevron , la habra , ca lines 18 article 1993apr21 virginia edu , mjr4u virginia edu \( matthew j rush \) writes actually , angry went away pens game pens fan central virginia kinda tough get see espn , play caps , cause 're close enough dc get caps games , espn switched caps , ! matt nearly angry set vcr yesterday get home find bruins vs buffalo 's get reading tv section sports section game aired nancy j , division n't know fact p chevron petroleum technology co g elvis working shop e p box 446 , la habra , ca beaver falls , 'd swear n tel \( 310 \) 694 njs chevron com driving truck scotty baldwin
harley hrm engr ucf edu subject 25mhz iisi x xxdate sat , 24 apr 93 16 45 51 gmt organization univ central florida x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 4 25mhz iisi used radio shack heat sink compound solution clamps , works fine caution holds , though n't tilt mac !
jeh cmkrnl com subject blue led 's distribution sci electronics organization kernel mode systems , san diego , ca lines 14 article ecf toronto edu gladman ecf toronto edu \( gladman aviv \) writes 's n't find blue leds , matter , colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light led blue plastic covering blue leds sold street milky white plastic , fyi , putting filter typical visible light led \( presumably meaning non blue one \) wo n't produce blue light filter block light , ca n't generate wavelengths n't start jamie hanrahan , kernel mode systems , san diego ca internet jeh cmkrnl com uucp uunet ! cmkrnl ! jeh cis 74140 , 2055
brennan hal edu subject gifs \? \? organization university lines 14 nntp posting host hal edu gophers bumped one nih database included images gif format yet worked kinks getting gopher client call x viewer , figure majority users x11 environment instead using dos ms kermit kermit supporting emulation graphics display , anyone know package would allow tek display gif image \? would use local population plug something sort command instead xview xloadimage andrew \( brennan hal edu \)
magnus acs ohio state edu \( scott j \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 7 used drive truck years back rode old driving 30 yrs time would use clutch get truck moving could shift 13 speed lightning quick , , without slightest rake gear smooth silk amazing shifting demonstration 've ever seen ! said still n't know anyone would want shift synchronized tranny without clutch \? \?
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject slr camera , zoom sale organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 5 great slr camera \( ricoh \) sale nikon fe features , also shutter speeds form 16 seconds excellent condition accessories zoom lens reasonable price send e mail
roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) subject sgi sales practices \( crimson \( kubota announcement \? \) \) organization new york university , school medicine lines 26 nntp posting host mchip00 med nyu edu olson anchor esd sgi com \( dave olson \) writes surely n't expect system buy five year period constantly upgradable entire five year period \? 's sort interesting whole thread much common similar threads groups dealing vendor 's hardware currently deal basically hardware 3 vendors apple , dec , sgi thus tend monitor groups vendor 's hardware currently , seems like sgi customers pissed sgi dropping support personal iris , dec customers pissed dec dropping mips support favor new alpha boxes , apple customers seem get pissed every time new mac introduced 's faster cheaper one bought used sun customer years ago , remember people pissed sun leaving 386 680x0 customers cold sparc came along 's really interesting tell , mis folks basement es 9000 n't seem pissed ibm \? idea either ibm really take care customers better , customers brainwashed better smaller vendors roy smith roy nyu edu project , department microbiology , coles 202 nyu school medicine , 550 first avenue , new york , ny 10016 never happened bart simpson
wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) subject ir detector 'cards' \? \? \? keywords ir card organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 26 yoyo cc monash edu au \( sebastian \) writes think avaliable states even england , alas live australia could someone please inform get things , \? \? \? much \? \? \? also really commonly avaliable states , , much sells \( maybe cant get one , 'll write one companies seas \) anyway thanks advance sab 93 got mine 7 bucks radio shack instructions say expose light , mine n't seem require much make work wish could get big sheet stuff , 12 x 12 reasonable price n't cheap , 've seen duane
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject israel apartheid state organization university illinois urbana lines 10 center policy research cpr igc apc org writes anti israel rantings deleted father says russian , pol , roughly translated half jew anti semite half , mr davidsson , know means ed
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject traffic morons organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 36 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau dk \( niels mikkel michelsen \) nmm subject act front traffic jerks nmm day , raining cats dogs , therefor going nmm speed limit , nothing , bike guy bmw nmm driving 1 2 meters behind 7 800 meters next red light nmm calmly put bike leg , walked back car , rolled nmm window , told total idiot \( reason \) nmm right thing \? nmm truly nmm niels mikkel well , sounds great ! real bdi cager , 've found effective strategy flash brake light pumping pedal , obviously need bit free play brake pedal seems even brain dead idiot usually discern flashing red light directly front may mean something wrong sometimes yes , sometimes bdi cagers usually move back assholes move closer \( something testosterone stimulated behavior , think \) 's kinda like waving red flag bull , ca n't move let jerk , 's better nothing tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
brifre1 ac dal ca subject leafs win ! \( thank potvin \) organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 17 's time boys got together ! ! outplayed wings first two games burns must kicked cause sure came full gear \( high gear \? \) game 3 except 10 15 minute stretch 2nd period , wings please n't flame statement 'cos know 's true ! admit goaltending key potvin kept leafs ahead stretch leafs went 2nd also kept rebounds minimum , something cost cheveldae 2 goals clark even looked like stopped \( first star ! \) , although still n't know flat games 1 2 leafs play style keep pace game 3 , may actually chance winning series \( slim chance , chance i'm rm anyways \? haha \) barfly
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 12 let word christ dwell teach one another wisdom , sing psalms , hymns spiritual songs gratitude hearts god colossians 3 16 reminder verses new international version translation , faithfulness original hebrew greek may vary time time verse sounds little occasionally , compare another translation original texts , able god bless , chuck petch
sdcc3 ucsd edu \( michael \) subject good reasons wave organization university california , san diego lines 20 nntp posting host sdcc3 ucsd edu article quantum qnx com dagibbs quantum qnx com \( david gibbs \) writes , similar note drove 1976 vw van conversion found drivers model would wave , waved back maybe driving funny looking vehicle \? , van drivers need little support driving underpowered pathetic truly vehicles '71 used wave waved across country nh co live cal , though , find 'd damn near wave arm keep van drivers ! truly vee heaven peace , mike disclaim ! ucsd edu
acd ucar edu \( chuck smythe \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization center atmospheric research , atmospheric chemistry lines 8 possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? owner sabre \( \) , answer personal experience ! chuck smythe \( dod 50 \)
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject death 2 stroke die \? organization university east anglia lines 12 zebee wattle itd adelaide edu au \( zebee \) writes loads horrendous mz engine problems deleted ideas folks \? yeah , buy four stroke \)
seale possum den mmc com \( eric h seale \) subject surviving large accelerations \? organization martin marietta astronautics , denver lines 24 nntp posting host pogo den mmc com amruth laxman andrew cmu edu writes humans \( published 1986 \) already withstood accelerations 45g long winded 's question finally 45g accelerations fact humanly tolerable \? aid mechanical devices course eis calstate edu \( lan pham \) writes sure 45g right number \? far know , pilots blackout dives exceed 8g 9g 45g seems human tolerance would anybody clarify please actually , numbers correct difference direction acceleration pilots , accelerations tend direction 're facing \( pulling steep dive , acceleration force blood toward feet , instance \) case , put 8 g 's even pressure suit record acceleration , though , measured along direction 're facing \( lack better term \) recall , record set rocket back 60 's 40 g 's eric seale seale pogo den mmc com
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization u toronto zoology lines 13 article 1993apr30 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes also , implied posters , need boost orbit mission anyway \? n't need , 's desirable hst , like satellites low earth orbit , gradually losing altitude due air drag deployed highest orbit shuttle could reach , reason needs occasional eventually \( propulsion system \) excellent opportunity , given may another visit several years svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject mormon temples organization university buffalo lines 62 article may 9 05 40 06 1993 athos rutgers edu , cheap cs utah edu \( jay \) writes interpretations christian history matter one must recall know gnostics written enemies eusebius claims jesus imparted secret information peter , james , john resurrection , apostles transmitted information rest twelve \( eusebius , ii 1 3 4 \) curious read eh lord imparted gift knowledge james , john peter resurrection , delivered rest apostles , seventy , one eusebius , ecclesiastical history seems lord imparted gift knowledge , lord imparted secret information apostles interestingly enough , eusebius refers groups today call gnostics false gnosis \( eusebius , op cit , iii , 32 7 8 \) gripe thay professed gnosis , wrong one i'm afraid cannot find eh n't see anywhere 3 32 7 8 eusebius mentions certain gnostics wrong gnosis closest eusebius summarizes statements , whilst , attempted pervert sound doctrine saving gospel , yet dark one approach evidence many ways n't intend everyone interpret christian history , believe evidence exists \( favorably interpreted , course \) early christian rites analogous practiced mormons today favorably interpreted \? looking two four references gave \( eh handy , irenaeus look \) see room ' still falls short equivalence temple ceremonies links jay 's using eh support gift knowledge imparted secret information given secret signs tokens gain entrance heaven enough equivalence ideas us able call favorable interpretation appears closer fabrication robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu
richs microsoft com \( rick schaut \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation reply richs microsoft com \( rick schaut \) distribution usa lines 27 article infodev cam ac uk cus cam ac uk \( j r \) writes even , point still stands extent 64k limits appear place really necessary , edit control limit 64k limit may necessary limitation , probably fall within category limitations find trying allocate edit control 64k text , 's probably time take good look program 's design small limit number global memory handles allowed \? way number \? seems 'd hit wall many ways 'd hit limit global handles , unless , course , 're abusing please n't try tell 's impossible abuse resources available operating systems systems limits question whether limits reasonable far , n't offered single argument suggests windows' limits less reasonable limits systems rick schaut uucp uunet uw beaver ! microsoft ! richs microsoft n't speak , n't speak microsoft
etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! nntp posting host eos6c02 ericsson se reply etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) organization ericsson telecom ab lines 26 article 1993apr29 102341 13820 comp lancs ac uk julian comp lancs ac uk \( julian g self \) writes n't shareware fee suggestion john \? 's individual make choice whether honour part money personally position would exactly thing , john obviously put lot time effort xv n't receive money pennies worth \( keep good work john \) fee suggestion individual licensing mandatory commercial , government , institutional users wonder many users xv system runs michael salmon include standard disclaimer include witty saying include fancy pseudo graphics ericsson telecom ab stockholm
mmb lamar colostate edu \( michael burger \) subject team pool standings nntp posting host lamar acns colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 55 standings reflecting 2 completed series round 1 participant points final 4 1 roland behunin 5 cal 6 que 7 que 7 dave wessels 5 van 7 pit 6 pit 5 3 barfly 0 tor 6 bos 7 tor 6 dean 's 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 7 oz 0 lak 6 bos 6 lak 6 garry 0 tor 6 bos 6 bos 4 brian bergman 0 det 6 pit 6 det 6 mopar muscle men 0 chi 5 pit 6 pit 5 bh 's last place picks 0 chi 5 pit 6 pit 5 milton keynes kings 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 5 sam dogs 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 5 ye ding 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 6 tampere stars 0 chi 6 pit 6 pit 6 mighty 0 chi 6 bos 6 bos 6 homesick hawaiian 0 van 7 pit 6 pit 5 killer kings 0 chi 6 6 chi 6 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 5 ottawa 0 tor 5 pit 6 tor 6 andrew kirk 0 tor 6 pit 6 pit 5 muller n walker 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 6 excalibur 0 det 6 pit 4 pit 6 rednecks hockey hell 0 det 7 bos 5 bos 5 rangers 1940 0 chi 6 pit 7 pit 6 jeff phelps 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 5 arctic circles 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 4 sludge 0 det 6 pit 6 det 6 logistician 0 det 6 pit 6 det 7 hillside raiders 0 chi 6 bos 6 bos 7 danielle 0 chi 5 que 7 que 7 stars 0 chi 6 bos 7 bos 6 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 5 gilles carmel 0 chi 6 pit 7 pit 7 pasi fr nti 0 lak 7 pit 5 pit 6 evan pritchard 0 van 6 pit 6 pit 5 skriko wolves 0 det 7 pit 5 pit 5 rangers blow 0 cal 7 pit 6 pit 4 sean 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 6 schott shooters 0 chi 6 pit 5 pit 5 gary shiff 0 tor 4 pit 6 pit 4 mike burger 0 det 7 pit 6 det 7 darse 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 6 mike burger canada includes , quebec , ontario , mmb lamar colostate edu maritimes , , florida beginning computing ta stud four months year 500 students served royal canadian air farce university michigan 1990 colorado state university 199 \?
newbury tec army mil \( george newbury \) subject hot cpu \? distribution na organization u army engineering center , ft , va lines 21 kushmer bnlux1 bnl gov \( christopher kushmerick \) writes hot cpu 486 33 dx machine \? currently gets hot hold finger 0 5 keep big fan blowing , considering using heat sink advice \? 1 n't hold finger 2 cooking use small pan sure spill liquids components 3 plan cook number small cooling fans designed mount chip plug power supply look consumer shoppers innovative person could design produce heat sink could used keep coffee warm , might even buy pentium !
joe ericsson se \( joe armstrong \) subject angels needles \? organization ellemtel telecom systems labs , stockholm , sweden lines 10 recall reading somewhere number bishops spent great deal time debating topic many angels could fit tip needle anybody reference \? thanks joe armstrong
wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution world organization w r slack lines 32 article stafford stafford winona msus edu stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) writes article wrs 4180 wslack uucp , wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) wrote uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! statement true spirit list false statement misinformation 's spirit , bill 5 wheelies 's chain drive model john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply knew posted going get trouble suppose give 5 wheelie demos spring fling something 're right , john , chain drive model think goes around rocker arms something stolen early spagthorpe design , according urban legend bill wrs gozer mv com \( bill slack \) dod 430 tears shed vain every word lost rumble engine smoke exhaust ! oo
jaracz oz plymouth edu \( david r jaracz \) subject peter forsberg organization plymouth state college plymouth , nh lines 23 article ucs mun ca morgan ucs mun ca \( carl vincent \) writes article 1993apr23 583 spang camosun bc ca ua256 freenet victoria bc ca \( tom moffat \) says e give stats world championships sao mail ua256 freenet victoria bc ca tom moffat victoria b c canada top point world jr hockey championships g p forsberg , swe 7 24 31 sooo glad guys naslund , swe 13 11 24 team , w mario , , cze slo 6 9 15 bure , gretzky , neely , p turgeon , damphousse , , swe 10 4 14 lebeau juneau , dunno much time , fin 6 8 14 'll get \) \) \)
javed convex com \( javed \) subject stage set nntp posting host neptune convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 65 taurus cs nps navy mil cc nps navy mil \( \) writes article world std com tti world std com \( joachim martillo \) writes heap \) similarly , malaysia founded original sins support axis anti chinese racism part intellectuals opposed heritage enlightenment really strange target martillo malaysia fully vindicated since shed colonial yoke legitimate economic success story success may dramatic japan singapore nevertheless fully vindicated , advocating anglo colonialism ludicrous malaysia next , suppose advocating china probably experiencing one greatest sustained economic booms history mankind think present day england position set stage colonization lucky keep intact us assistance proper agreements , british french colonial would hard primitive 3rd world elites resist resistance among deluded , brainwashed essentially enslaved populations would get iraq treatment dream problems even ground troops bosnia public opinion dictates loss lives \( even miniscule quantities \) , cannot tolerated rich countries really wierd come think , armed forces paid basically accept risk dying danger removed , viewed welfare grand scale , exactly public saying iraqi operation lead extraordinary low level casualties anomaly combination iraqi incompetence desert terrain future operation would lead casualties example bombing beirut lead gi deaths whole desert storm really think scum like ever asked whether vast majority indians would better british local rule \? driven crude desire power nationalism vehicle whereby indian nationalists persuaded lot poor deluded fools die order give small elite power exploit indians obviously information rest us aware otherwise , impossible draw outrageous conclusions santos francois peter mustafa 's cool wish everyone kind names world would certainly better place ! ! javed \( one name \)
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 17 drand spinner osf org \( douglas rand \) writes hams legally run 1500 watts unlikely , however , ham would running kind power car ham rigs possible either 'd need 300 amp alternator amplifier see need slow downgrade , hit push talk button well 100 amps anyway transmissions generally short interval battery would supply rest course , transmitted much , would run battery really would much brake even 50 efficiency , 1500 watts would consume 4 horsepower bill
bevan cs man ac uk \( stephen j bevan \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu organization department computer science , university manchester lines 9 reply brian lpl arizona edu 's message 23 apr 93 17 01 01 gmt article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes rick , read bible \? written plain english decide \? would imply singular , yet many translations bible , many differ choice wording hence lead different interpretations btw also read koran , vedas etc , plain english translations available decide
tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) subject starting trouble cbr600f2 nntp posting host hydra convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 82 article sf rpi edu chungy2 aix rpi edu \( yau felix chung \) writes trouble starting \( keeping running \) 1992 cbr600f2 problems since last year , seemed subsided 's back problem persists regardless choke usage pattern , gasoline type \( brand octane \) pretty much anything else imagine change dealer stumped \( 's still warranty \) start bike runs great \( 45 90 seconds \) engine starts slow decreasing idle setting increase engine speed increasing choke increases engine speed regardless , engine eventually slow \( stop \) stopped , restart \( even flooded engine drill \) let sit \( 45 90 minutes \) starts beautifully runs great ever go , ride hard 100 miles bring back , ride easy miles let cool , put away next day , go thru drill get going ideas \? anyone seen \? another f2 rider similiar problems , mail sent , hope helps resolve problem ! allen tobias writes check vent tube tank sometimes tube clogged prevents gas flowing carbs vacuum created displacement gasoline small tube bottom tank , large tube overflow remove left side tail section get access area good luck ! clogged , would n't interfere engine operation time \? runs , runs well good point , catch original post things come mind , since gravity feed fuel system , fuel petcock valve vacuum controlled 1 let suppose small hole bad seal either hose vacuum valve fuel petcock cold , hole open enough open valve enough allow gas carbs choke , since choke creates low pressure carbs draw gas , engine surrounding area warm , hole seals one way check fuel flow valve would pull side panels remove fuel hose carbs connect tube correct size , preferably clear tubing observe fuel flow , output side fuel petcock remove control hose 1 make sure tank full place valve position apply vacuum control hose , preferably vacuum device gauge , check air leaks vacuum applied , fuel flow freely see vent problem , fuel filler cap open closed , flows lot faster filler cap open , may something vent changes position depending position may clog partially clog vent heard f2 fuel tanks replaced fix problem things might defective , control hose 1 carb , petcock valve , possibly fuel tank vent shows problem fuel flow cold , something carbs screwed , many things check , would typing day list ! , everything back together , apply vacuum petcock valve open drain holes carbs one one check fuel flow open check foreign debris clogged carbs , quite carb hope something flushed trouble shooting american honda resolve , get mad hell report bbb call honda customer service hotline 800 number , n't recall top head called tires f2 days later customer satisfaction inquiry card arrived home asking liked support received , would chance tell think ! buy service manual f2 , invaluable source information working bike might add , trouble shooting !
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization dsi uscrpac lines 19 article access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes nonsense ! n't asked larry trust nixon keys , whether would well , explains government real need spy people already love big brother 's people inclined talk back need watched though think overstatement , contain grain truth 's drug dealers , spies , terrorists , organized crime figures \( assuming enough probable cause convince judge \) need watched , law abiding citizens david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject 200 sbs 200 hrs organization allegheny college lines 18 article odin corp sgi com dans fore csd sgi com \( dan steinman \) writes last night giants mets radio broadcast hank ted discussing fact 16 players ever hit 200 homeruns stolen 200 bases career \( hojo batting \) anyone list \? easy sounds come could n't mays , mantle , aaron , henderson , morgan , bonds \( dad \) , \? \? \? frank robinson \? molitor \? yount \? guessing 'd interested see whole list thanks , dan ya think winfield \?
psuvm psu edu subject race violence 1993apr18 magnus acs ohio state edu netcom com distribution usa organization penn state university lines 38 article netcom com , mvp netcom com \( mike van pelt \) says something terribly wrong , however , culture condemns , attacks , often kills members attempt get education mother elementary school teacher , tells african american frustrated tears fact african american child attempts well school get education accused peers trying white , beaten , , tormented goes beyond passing grade test earning beating mother 's school , one promising young students , happened african american , throat cut one young thugs know , point , n't stop african americans high school early 1980s , various occasions knives pulled , friends stabbed , beaten repeatedly could n't accept different n't let teachers hook either many many occasions , teachers either scared wits even stop people attacked would watch quietly nice white middle class high school fact , nice white made sure one black kid class unable go prom white girlfriend n't race thing , 's way public schools seem run 'd hate high school right least n't deal guns , psycho drug jocks without future plenty testosterone 'd separate everyone wants learn assholes hey , learning glorification jocks american tradition , think anything going change \? kids , take 'em public school system educate 's 'll ever would n't wish went upon kid maybe parents though scott
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 24 frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes specifically , 'd like know relativism concludes two people grotesquely disagree \( \) right \( b \) one wrong , sometimes \( though perhaps rarely \) pretty good idea \( c \) one wrong , never information , make best guess really must make decision \( \) idea right moral judgement meaningless \( implying whether peace better war , e g , meaningless question , need discussed correct answer \) \( e \) something else short , positive assertion would nice whose point view would like know relativism concludes \? one people involved argument , third person observing \? mathew
russotto vnet ibm com \( matthew russotto \) subject tapped , code good disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com lines 9 strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com david sternlight writes clipper case , representative body experts going allowed audit , 'll assurances \( maybe even president \) escrowed keys back doors may confidence \( among \) wow , assurances president , almost good campaign promises ! n't see anyone would n't confidence
robert swanee ee uwa edu au \( roberto \) subject xdm manage remote display linux xfree86 \? organization university western australia lines 16 nntp posting host rama ee uwa oz au suns running sunos 4 1 3 openwindows 3 0 \( x11r4 \) used xvision pc , setup broadcast query unix xdm servers allow user choose unix client login xdm manage display would like thing xfree86 running linux , n't know n't want unix xdm manage pc displays pc 's always running linux \( let alone xfree86 \) would like setup provided xvision anybody help \? thanks , dr roberto phone 61 9 380 centre intelligent information processing systems dept electrical electronic engineering university western australia fax 61 9 380 1101 v nedlands wa 6009 australia email robert swanee ee uwa edu au
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 22 article car apple com chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) writes folks like argue theoretical details prefer watch teams win giants slip third , talk arrange batting order , think 's stupid focus 's wrong , simple fact working fine strategy expect run away division giants going need every break get , want hold lead n't think afford , say well worked pretty well far , might able improve results , n't think worth risk mostly , though , giants winning , frankly , long continues , 's rather silly second guess strategy evidently , folks would rather right first two tend go hand hand cheers , valentine
mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) subject v4 engines nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 30 pwe slipknot mit edu pwe slipknot mit edu \( paul w emery \) writes subject v4 , ford uk used v4 engines ford transit vans brings back memory seventies played band time something like 180 pounds four us bought 1967 tranny cart gear around terrible shape \( \) 's last owner pig farmer spent days cleaning putting partition seating 'til day died everytime turned fan defroster dried pig shit came flying vents ! ! ! back engine remember right v4 thing could haul , could fill equipment 8 people went like bat hell , course pollution controls engine gas leaded higher octane get mechanical fuel pump quit put electric one morris minor worked great ah fond memories saab iii believe pwe slipknot mit edu 'd like tanks paul w emery ron nasty magnet lab cambridge mass u mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( mliggett iugold bitnet 'junk' collector , toys r us kid , antiauthoritarian , fan frogs , iguanas , herps
sirosh cs utexas edu \( joseph sirosh \) subject x design choice color handling question organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 16 nntp posting host cs utexas edu keywords color graphics systems seen drawing routines also specify color drawing , like \( x , , color \) \( x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 , color \) \( x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 , color \) x , something like xsetforeground \( current color \) \( , w , x , \) split two functions \? x designers decide associate color object drawn , instead associate display drawn \? joseph sirosh
genesis nred us \( andrew hudson \) subject source create fli flc \? summary looking source create fli flc organization genesis public access unix 1 508 664 lines 12 anyone know source available create fli flc animations \? would ideally like dll 's windows would settle c source 've heard might available amiga forums somewhere libraries currently distributed autodesk , , , fli creation capability , playback pointers would appreciated , thanks ! andrew hudson genesis nred us
dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update nntp posting host shale organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 10 feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes article hp col col hp com , dduff col hp com \( dave duff \) says nut case panics ! ! realizes he's made complete fool front thousands netters ! ! ! backs away earlier rash statements ! ! ! ! god mercy ! ! ! ! thought discussing koresh , president clinton dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com dave 1 clinton 0
stdvax \( dirk \) subject old corvettes low insurance \? corvette prices news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 85 article netcom com , rjn netcom com \( richard newton ii \) writes article 1993apr15 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( scott warren \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , uxa cso uiuc edu \( george nz \) writes many years school i'm finally graduating getting real job course trying make plans spend extra money right 89 accord , good car , real sporty thinking selling two years dropping around 20k sports car kind thinking , may better idea 'll keep accord drops buy car 've always wanted corvette reasoning 8000 \( accord \) 8000 \( corvette \) less would spend anyway basically , i'm thinking late 70 's , early 80 's around 7 10k question , good years consider \( reliability , looks , horsepower order , believe , horsepower main concern , want go fast , get motorcycle \) good prices \? '82 vettes basic chassis 1980 add aluminum \( weaker \) rear housing years used brakes , similar springs etc late 70 's bad year gm reliability catastrophic converter added 1975 cheapest corvette '78 '79 low end 4k tops 12k except think '78 25th vette special guys known ask 25k n't think get best buy 69 74 got 69 5k needs body work i'm willing parts readily avail swap meets mail order etc v 8 reliability looks independant suspension 4 wheel disk 10k thought miata good deal also , would insurance look like \? i'm male , single , 23 \( might wait i'm 25 get car lower insurance \) would fact mainly drive car lower \? type classic car rarely driven insurance class driving 10k miles per year \? dad 66 vette say basically means restricted amount driving time , basically means cant used every day car would probably suit needs limited mileage origional insurance agent drive '69 3000 miles less per year , must keep locked garage cost 2 stated value per year \( sound right \? \) 've also looking vettes recently , found '67 convertible like dealer currently '88 ford escort gt , insured state farm called em , asked rates sell escort , vette insurance 401 16 per 6 months keep escort , vette insurance 308 82 per 6 months escort 's insurance goes 10 , approx 320 per 6 months i'm 28 , male , good driver discount another variable would live best bet call insurance brokers , get quote state farm says base price fair market value car , determined outside look newspaper , call dealers find going rate , adjust condition car get values , went selling price car dealer 's asking price 21 , 900 need research find reasonable case , told state farm value 20k get look car check serial numbers look origional depending mods done car could worth 10k problems like wrong engine trans wrong paint type \( used \) modification would reduce value looking car drive right \? sounds like ball park price small block \( 327 cu \) manual air car 427 would put closer 30k get ! ! ! insurance purposes also
noel chaos cs brandeis edu \( noel \) subject box score woes organization brandeis university lines 80 scott asd com \( scott barman \) writes article 1993apr15 195452 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes anybody figure box score abbreviations make absolutely sense \? \( least local rag finds way door \) must stared mets' box good 30 seconds morning wondering hell would n't make sense use \? 've seen also blame associated press official scorer balances official score card , copy give several people one person ap whose job type \( using template laptop \) transmit ap offices new york \( rockefeller center \) via telephone box scores checked ap 's news delivery services corrections , issued later person sitting front laptop shea \( whereever \) whose fault note ap puts boxscores three different formats one see newspapers first one totally true past year two , ap getting box scores stats , inc ap representative press box actually stats reporter \( 25 dollars game , free parking anybody \) box downloaded stats chicago , quick error checking done , stats sends ap i'm sure come hear n't think stats 's may space correction ap sports editor day i'm mentioning stats reporters , always looking new people especially live cleveland pittsburgh , 're road getting press box may real short info , call stats \( 708 \) 676 , ask reporter network 's fun way get paid watching baseball games end public service announcement last week denver maybe ap person denver \( remember , started mlb \) check tomorrow 's paper \( 4 21 \) see person shea thing noel noel chaos cs brandeis edu
ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 15 article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes someone would release children compound suppose 's late , repeated use word release peculiar let 's say family besieged home people tanks , helicopters , automatic weapons give break amplified sounds dying rabbits blare , ! release children , 'll perfectly right top may epistemology entirely order entirely surprising branch davidians reluctant release children fbi custody \? pgp 2 key finger e mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
lclark edu \( jonathan \) subject cache card iisi article lclark 1993apr21 organization lewis clark college , portland lines 36 article netnews jhuapl edu richs aplcomm jhuapl edu \( rich spiegel \) writes article usenet ins cwru edu , da228 cleveland freenet edu \( charles g williams \) writes 99 good deal , still n't know would say good deal june 's macworld , river \( formerly computer \) advertised daystar 33 mhz powercache 68882 295 ! believe \? know prices would falling , ! actually , 295 33 mhz powercard , universal powercache 33 mhz universal powercache fpu adaptor 500 \( still bad deal \) believe powercard one generation older universal powercache , one primary difference powercard machine specific powercache fit many macs proper adaptor cards 68030 based i'm sure hardware software powercard otherwise different powercache \( perhaps someone could enlighten \? \) would also add called river computer night going fast rich spiegel mission analysis group johns hopkins road laurel , md \( 301 \) 953 5000 , side note , ad \( macworld 6 93 \) , selling 50mhz powercache iisi fpu 575 thinking upgrading 040 33 mhz turbo \( upgrade costs 600 direct daystar \) , comes , 200 cheaper mail order companies charge jon
subject waco headlines editorial boston globe kim39 scws8 harvard edu \( john kim \) distribution world organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws8 harvard edu lines 90 boston globe , wednesday april 21 1993 col 4 bodies found ruins fbi defends raid cult ranch col 5 clinton blames koresh , orders probe siege col 2 children horrifying game pg 18 , col 1 , editorial page judgment waco scientific political scrutiny horror show waco begins , though nothing undo tragedy might prevented forensic experts study rubble ashes branch davidian compound , least 85 people , including 24 children , perished smoke fire caused visions manipulative madman stunning lapse judgment federal law enforcement officials emphasis added investigators create conditions compound identify fac inferno strong suit public must question agents federal bureau investigation lacked skill teh behavioral insight resolve 51 day standoff free flames fury loss life clearly reflects tia cult leader david koresh , whose personal public conscious ness assembly davidians arms used little way rationality could expected koresh , self sinner without equal continues th federal agents , bungled case start began feb 28 100 agents federal bureau alcohol , firearms compound , intent seizing koresh cache automatic ons four agents estimated six cult mem died ensuing gun battle earlier isolate arrest koresh outside complex adequately explored authorities prepared siege resolved deaths would last fifty one days siege public outcry storm compound correctly perceived inside apocalypse essentially hostages lives stake , reason government impatient government 's superior firepower , control water utilities freedom movement created conditions belated resolution neither attorney general janet reno fbi provided compelling reason course patience intelligence accurate koresh growing increasingly violent bizarre , cult see tear gas attack launched 60 combat vehicle would clear mind ports escalating child abuse accurate , would weighted potential eve etc etc tec paragraphs , 2 5 paragraphs deleted responsibility rests clinton , inexperienced president pay enough attention life death decisions made waco reno faulted anything , ti would judgment law en officers common problem among prosecutors full investigations th tragedy must conducted executive legislative branches first step verify blaze started though blame play role , greater find strategies fire next time end editorial j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization ub lines 24 nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu article acsu buffalo edu ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( mr \) writes 'd like see playoff games since i'm stuck buffalo ub , think boston n't giving easy , boston probably wo n't go easy , sabres n't game one buffalo would four problem playoff games buffalo \? \? \? ! ! ! \? \? \? 's sabres bruins , quebec montreal , whatever espn abc show , opposite nights 's toronto detroit whatever espn \( abc \) shows hockey good chunk north america , either side border 's wonderful , thousands folks 'd kill shoes , coverage wise valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
dtc uucp \( dennis cheung \) subject mac lc 3 organization network , long island , new york lines 15 anyone know macintosh lc pin 7 \( pin enables better flow control \) \? know lc 1 2 n't , 3 \? conflicting reports far please help thank \( btw , use 's \? yes \? e mail ! \) via uci v1 35 \( c net amiga \) dennis cheung dtc \( tm \) corporation america america online dtc internet dtc com disclaimer never read message message n't exist
subject shaft drives wheelies johnny eng utsa edu \( johnny roberts \) distribution rec organization univ texas san antonio nntp posting host eng utsa edu lines 18 article 1993apr19 vax5 cit cornell edu xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? mike terry '82 virago yep ! one yesterday vision mention helped rotate bike \) wheelie result necessarily agressive acceleration intersection \( damn san antonio cagers tend really bad drivers \) however , done one , takes lot pre clutch dump rev action passing comment johnny eng utsa edu
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject looking x windows pc organization lake taylor hospital computer services keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows lines 22 hasty netcom com \( amancio hasty jr \) writes performance suck lemons running xserver clone clone almost name generating xstones 486 33mhz system show realistic price tag get 15 tektronix xp11 terminals 900 , performance 80000 xstones excuse , 486 50 256k cache , s3 928 isa card , 8mb \( x11r5 \) running 386bsd get 100k xstones 1024x768 doubt nice , way 900 point price performance performance mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization dsi uscrpac distribution inet lines 29 article andrew cmu edu jon c r bennett jb7m andrew cmu edu writes strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business clipper chip person association ever needed phones direction finding directional monitoring receivers say little black truck \? \) david jon david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
scotty tek com \( richard lynn \) subject quality time , one act play organization tektronix , inc lines 9 \( \( fluffy bi fantasy \) \) dear mr elf , please post shit belongs believe know , weenie
tombaker bu edu \( thomas baker \) subject another sf irritation relieved ! doctor vindicated reply tombaker world std com \( thomas baker \) organization thomas baker , unlimited lines 35 article schumach convex convex com schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) writes reverse polarity ! crap always bugged hell , , found actual , live , real life example working ! quote aviation week space technology 2 july 1990 , page 25 colonel charles f , speaking problem fuel bubble formation titan 4 engines said engineers nasa 's jet propulsion laboratory run problem suggested air force look effect 50 decomposition fix , flown three times without incident , reverse outlet portions hot gas cooler ! , life art discussion sts tether experiment ran forward , would suck energy earth 's magnetic field , trivially slowing shuttle could also run backward ran electricity tether way , would trivially propelled shuttle faster even better example comes mind 's electronics guy , someone like craig lancaster ten years ago wrote invention could take light detector , run current hundred times rating , would glow got legal rights design combination fiber optic receiver turned basic unit att 's \( think \) plan bring brazil 's communications system 21st century \( article mostly legal company eventually got well compensated invention \) tombaker \( yes 's real name \) \( employer 's opinion 's \) \( self employed \)
rgb roadnet ups com \( rudy \) subject need x win popup menu package reply rgb roadnet ups com organization roadnet technologies , inc lines 9 rather write , anyone direct package let create popup menus x windows reasons portability , package rely x toolkit xlib xt intrinsics something written c would nice , thanks
jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) subject hell organization microsoft corporation lines 40 article may 7 01 07 10 1993 athos rutgers edu mdw cbnewsg cb att com \( mark wuest \) writes article may 5 02 51 25 1993 athos rutgers edu shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) writes q knew beyond doubt hell exist unbelievers simply remained dead , would remain christian \? interesting question , esp since remember wishing heart true would n't good christian anymore christianity terribly hard , reward heaven \( maybe , sometimes , really good \) acceptance wanted way knew beyond doubt , would foolish disciple man claimed exist truth , jesus' disciple disagree time , allowing lord jesus done since found \( 6 months ago \) want lose period said , originally interpreted christ never mentioned sheol weeping teeth , christ preached follow died stayed dead point forever ceased exist fear based religion faith relationship one made us follow christ 's great way live life could care less really happens die buddhist great way live life i'm converting , though believe complete christ think buddhists also complete \? jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing
aurora \( \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization la de karma lines 19 reply cad gatech edu nntp posting host cad gatech edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 julian g self \( julian comp lancs ac uk \) wrote n't shareware fee suggestion john \? 's individual make choice whether honour part money personally position would exactly thing , john obviously put lot time effort xv n't receive money pennies worth \( keep good work john \) yeah agree impressed kind effort gone lastest release people looking excuses gripe personally feel work worth much 25 seeing kind things people get paid
joseph kasanic jmk13 po cwru edu subject apple 8 24 gc video card organization case school engineering lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host b63545 student cwru edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id b63545 student cwru edu x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 20 52 57 gmt friend mine recently acquired 8 ! 24 gc card iisi wondering always starts black white know numerous reports worth gc , wondering anyone could elaborate little subject replies encouraged thanks ad vance joe kasanic
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 102 poram ihlpb att com wrote lets talk principles accept god sets standards ought included scripture ask 1 authoritative \? authoritative quality writing statement community faith whether accept writing 2 prophetic \? prophecy defined \? speaking forth god 's message , much apocrypha must surely qualify 3 authentic \? , standard \? authenticity function authors \? historical accuracy \? 4 dynamic \? supposed mean \? many apocryphal books highly dynamic thought provoking , faithful , even exciting 5 received , collected , read used \? \? course apocryphal books received \( \) , collected \( else would \) , read used \( still , catholic orthodox churches \) counts , apocrapha falls short glory god demonstrably false quote unger 's bible dictionary apocrapha 1 abound historical geographical inaccuracies anachronisms books bible 2 teach doctrines false foster practices variance sacred scripture false whose interpretation \? churches accept find contradiction rest scripture 3 resort literary types display subject matter styling keeping sacred scripture purely subjective evaluation apocryphal books demonstrate categories forms writing found scriptures \( fact , one could argue apocryphal additions book esther act rather bring book esther line books \) 4 lack distinctive elements give genuine scripture divine character , prophetic power poetic religious feeling ever read wisdom ben sira wisdom solomon \? exhibit every bit much poetic religious feeling psalms proverbs deletions view words warn everyone hears words prophecy book anyone adds anything , god add plagues described book anyone takes away book prophecy , god take away share tree life holy city \( rev 22 18 9 \) surely sets standard man made traditions words clearly meant refer book revelation alone , whole body scripture revelation accepted late canon church simply see primary role kind identifying limiting scripture also noteworthy consider jesus' attitude argument pharisees ot canon \( john 10 31 6 \) , explained followers road emmaus law , prophets psalms referred ot division scripture \( luke 24 44 \) , well luke 11 51 taking genesis chronicles \( jewish order would say genesis malachi \) scripture jesus refer canon simple reason day , canon established closed collection books apocrypha part septuagint \( bible early church \) hebrew canon closed 90 c e torah \( law \) established jesus' day , prophets \( exclusion daniel \) writings , however , still flux jesus refer writings , psalms , part books apocrypha part literature eventually separated argue jesus referring jewish canonical order luke 11 51 weak best quoting scripture , telling chronological story , mentioned , hebrew canon \( especially present order \) exist jesus' day revdak netcom com
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject dopson pitches first shutout red sox win 6 0 reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 23 cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes jmann vineland pubs stratus com \( jim mann \) writes john dopson pitched first major league shutout red sox beat white sox 6 0 6 sox runs came 6th inning , featured big hits , among others , vaughan greenwell sox 10 3 first team majors win 10 games ! yes ! 'll never last , god 's good 's ! someone told game started 10 05 cdt true \? \? right mind would go game monday \? \? \? \? well , 's holiday massachusetts called day three things happen day almost businesses closed , sox play morning game , run boston marathon mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com nothing deadly hold people opportunity great wonderful things , wish stimulate active way dr harold , nobel chemistry
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mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) subject christian morality organization cat mat x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 36 20 apr 93 13 38 34 gmt dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) wrote article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes yet still believer god concerned disposition \? beneath provide evidence would require believe \? evidence personality , given god , would find compelling \? fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love responsibility love god take step toward promises , look doubt dispute givin sincere effort many others described tried find god saying efforts sincere \? effort put , outward inward change perceive 's sincerely searching agnostic atheist supposed even search turns nothing \? simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know learn must accept n't know accept n't know \? mean must believe god order believe god \? mike mcangus truth still truth mam mouse cmhnet org even choose ignore \( old sig viruses still best \)
khan0095 nova gmi edu \( mohammad razi khan \) subject synagogues , mosques , double standards organization gmi engineering management institute , flint , mi lines 44 nntp posting host nova gmi edu narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) writes mark ira kaufman writes perfect example outcry temporary removal 400 men advocated murdering jews destroying state israel , compared deafening silence abusive treatment jews arab countries past 50 years never mind fact people denied right fair trial israel supposed uphold western values , eh \? doubt non jewish world even capable compassion towards jews anti semitism ancient basic christianity islam doubts unsubstantiated , faith us check facts bashing islam may muslim anti semites , way tenet religion saying anti semitism yes agree lets say call self xxx go shoot family cold blood mean xxx responsible \? people tend associate others color creed etc form racism basic islam entire muslim world , based selective sampling people , flies face islam teaches peace nizam arain makes universe \( 217 \) 384 4671 hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu nothing nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compare mohammad r khan khan0095 nova gmi edu july '93 , please send mail mkhan nyx cs du edu responses letter post bounce , e mail nyx account
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject people become atheists \? organization georgia institute technology lines 12 article may 11 02 36 27 1993 athos rutgers edu biz soil princeton edu writes atheist 's prayer said \? roommate , atheist , says anyone might listening randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu
emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) subject right \? organization sun lines 64 nntp posting host hernes sun article 1993apr24 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes article 1993apr22 ifi uio , joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) writes recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? god words , right might infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? god words , right might let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created god granted gift life whether sinner saint words , , , position argue let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? scientist creates living creature examine , poke prod learn behaviour kill becomes threat example , let 's say scientist creates rex breaks free confines starts population scientist would hesitate killing god creates us loving companions knows whether true love lets us know consequences rejecting god cannot abide sin rejecting god , person becomes enemy god , one must killed note say god god alone worthy judge , jury executioner called carry duties worthy words , better god wants , else ! god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? god god question creator \? doubt god 's certain situations , claim know better solution \? would playing role god \? words , game , made rules , know whats good 'll play game way
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject clipper considered harmful nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 32 clipper chip 's user key formed r1 e e n1 s1 s2 s1 r2 e e n2 s1 s2 s1 r3 e e n3 s1 s2 s1 triple encrytion used \? gain effective increase keyspace defeat potential keysearch \? \( , use 80 bit keys \? \) knowing anything skipjack algorithm , 's really possible guess whether makes harder easier guess s1 , s2 n1 , n2 , n3 formed \? would facinating see skipjack algorithm , look ways attacking require three ciphertext blocks formed odd way 34 bit constant values concatenated serial number form n1 , n2 , n3 come \? changed chip chip , session session \? \( even 're published ny times , skipjack resistant known plaintext attacks , using triple encryption , 's break security allow kind weird format \? three 34 bit values truly random bits , maybe 's used ensure known plaintext attack skipjack , exists , ca n't easily used derive s1 s2 whole production run chips \) dorothy denning read group \? , someone group forwarding questions like , martin hellman , anyone else 's seen details chip \? john kelsey
bdm cs rit edu \( brendan mckay \) subject deir yassin organization rochester institute technology , rochester , ny lines 52 nntp posting host virginia article hm angell cs brown edu hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes arab civilians die dir yassin massacre first , village housed many armed troops nobody ever produced evidence appear several long published accounts irgun participants even irgun propagandists make claim secondly , irgun stern fighters absolutely intentions killing civilians several members irgun attacking party , including leader , deposited personal declarations irgun archives \( institute , tel aviv \) state lehi proposed village conquest seems begin plan , however willingness many attackers seriously consider possibility serves instructive character evidence village attacked military significance haganah tried get irgun attack village real military significance , considered hard soft target deir yassin chosen instead fact , warning given occupants village leave attack begin intention \( probably originating begin \) give warning loudspeaker truck got stuck ditch reaching village everyone knows rational standards , dir yassin massacre rational standards , posting b cpu killing unintentional village housed arab snipers arab troops thus attacked military significance attacked intentions killing civilians lie repeated still lie even compare dir yassin , 120 arabs died , holocaust absurd irgun want kill civilians village almost 1000 inhabitants , survived harry brendan
aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) subject baptism requires faith organization massachusetts institute technology lines 144 troubles many posts recently trying support doctrine original sin primarily catholic doctrine , purpose defend idea infant baptism even among , supporters , however , people stop short saying infants go hell 's easy anyone come partial list scripture support sort wrong doctrine however , heart persevere beliefs make sure biblically based , come understanding truth let 's take complete look scripture colossians 2 11 12 also circumcised , putting sinful nature , circumcision done christ , buried baptism raised faith power god , raised dead baptism , raised new life christ \( romans 6 4 \) personal faith power god parent 's faith cannot infants faith \? let 's look bible say romans 10 16 17 israelites accepted good news isaiah says , 'lord , believed message \? ' consequently , faith comes hearing message , message heard word christ receive god 's gift faith us hear message gospel faith possible response hearing god 's word preached kids yet spiritually , intellectually , emotionally mature enough respond god 's word hence cannot faith therefore cannot raised baptism new life ezekiel 18 20 soul sins die son share guilt father , father share guilt son righteousness righteous man credited , wickedness wicked charged read ezekiel 18 , see god n't hold us guilty anyone else 's sins original guilt adam ezekiel 18 31 32 rid offenses , get new heart new spirit die , house israel \? take pleasure death anyone , declares sovereign lord repent live ! way please god repent get new heart spirit kids cannot acts 2 38 39 says repent baptized , receive new spirit , holy spirit shall live little background original sin biblical , let 's look scriptures used support romans 5 12 therefore , sin entered world one man , death sin , way death came men , sinned sin death entered world first man sinned death came man man sinned note 's good read romans 5 12 21 verses easier misunderstand others , read context see saying basically thing let 's look one romans 5 19 disobedience one man many made sinners , also obedience one man many made righteous disobedience individual , made sinner way , obedience jesus , made righteous must remember reading passage death came man man sinned , guilt adam otherwise bible would contradict encourage read whole passage , looking point view see n't fit together psalm 51 5 surely sinful birth , sinful time mother conceived whole psalm wonderful example humble god repentance sinning david man god 's heart wrote psalm committing murdering husband david saying ca n't remember time n't sinful humbling god confessing sinfulness saying sinful birth hyperbole bible , inspired god , n't limited literal , also uses figures speech jesus \( john 16 25 \) another example hyperbole , see luke 14 26 , even though people see baptism requires faith original sin biblical , still argue infant baptism necessary children sin selfish sharing toys children , mean hitting others fighting , etc certainly observed children wrong things , gut feeling always n't know better let 's look see bible agrees gut feelings isaiah 7 14 15 therefore lord give sign virgin child give birth son , call immanuel eat honey knows enough reject wrong choose right church leader tell prophecy jesus n't , point matthew 1 23 find new leader jesus certainly could n't less knowledge normal human babies yet passage says mature certain extent would know difference right wrong see grow become wiser luke 2 40 2 52 implication jesus wrong things child knew choose right wrong since know jesus perfect without sin , rather conclusive proof babies cannot sin n't know choose right instead wrong jesus baptized , albeit john 's baptism , infant , thirty year old man \( luke 3 21 23 \) started ministry soon baptized \( luke 3 23 \) immediately afterwards , tempted devil \( luke 4 1 13 matthew 4 1 11 mark 1 12 13 \) thank attention moderator finish subject perhaps would like make faq response repost time time topic comes feel free contents would like , please send copy final faq sincerely , aaron cardenas aaronc athena mit edu think 're overly optimistic authoritative quality response first , original sin catholic doctrine held luther calvin well , still present one form another lutheran reformed traditions second , saying purpose defending infant baptism ad hominem argument , considerable evidence original baptist theology included original sin , baptists still hold certainly groups baptize infants without believing original sin among protestants , sacraments tend bit symbolic among catholics protestants baptize infants see baptism sign god 's acceptance us , rather acceptance god traditional protestant theology , god 's grace response , applicable children number passages one cite indicate god accepts even children clh
jason roth andrew cmu edu subject 's rush \( fast \) organization junior , architecture , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 24 distribution usa stdvax nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply stdvax still amazing germany cars traveling 155 mph 65 mph 3 4 lane road around washington dc ca n't keep traffic flowing 55 germans organised ca n't europe matter , , 9 months , unless 're pretty organised tried , 'd whole bunch tanks backed border , waiting jerk right lane trying get make left turn , course , caused germany invade belgium one important lessons history anything , including late afternoon , cause germany invade belgium dave barry happy ! '93 sl2 , blue green 's inventive asshole 've ever met really puts lot energy
hathaway stsci edu subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days lines 33 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article rave larc nasa gov , sdd larc nasa gov \( steve derry \) writes pat \( prb access digex net \) wrote limit space walking function suit supplies \( mass \) orbiter duration n't seen specifics hst repair mission , ca n't see mass margins tight carrying \? replacement components \( ii , costar , gyros , solar panels , probably others \) , sorts tools , eva equipment , much oms fuel consumables lighter original hst deployment mission , achieved highest altitude shuttle mission date hst lower orbit seems like limiting factors would crew fatigue mission complexity steve derry derry larc nasa gov one thing recall putting satellite high possible one thing coming back altitude , matching position orbit subsequent mission another thing plane orbit launch ahead behind target require fuel adjust considered original deployment agree though demands crew complexity stupendous one admire much trying wm hathaway baltimore md
tchannon black demon co uk \( tim \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? reply tchannon black demon co uk distribution world x mailer revision 1 20 organization null lines 29 lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? people learn ! trouble ballast concrete every fool knows ballast resistors used discharge batteries furthermore silly store battery terminals downwards must done contact ballast seriously self discharge \( actual problem , stated others \) vary greatly certain types freaks show low self discharge fact seen ordinary automotive batteries effectively held full charge 2 years must possible garage heated , store batteries somewhere cooler freezing \( flat batteries freeze easily \) occasionally charge \( month \? \) even leave charge permanently \( special charger , unless know , seriously dangerous \) point automotive batteries things like electric generally designed repeatedly deep discharged life may greatly shorted early zero maintenance automotive batteries fact responded full discharge total failure shortly afterwards modern ones superb \( , miles counting \) tc e mail tchannon black demon co uk tchannon cix compulink co uk
lamar edu subject puberty organization lamar university beaumont lines 17 looking network access recent research treatments puberty know specifics , would appreciate email plenty general textbook type references whose daughter afflicted mother rn done rather exhaustive search printed material pls email suggestions lamar edu thanx dale parish orange , texas surface planet lamar 's token perpetual student proper place developing \( 409 \) 745 \( vox \) \( rec \) dat \( \) industrial civilization \?
rexlex fnal fnal gov subject arsenokoitai nt meaning organization fnal ad net lines 84 week , many asked earlier postings ot , nt exegesis homosexual issue refered faq files , find , longer contains long mail , article , try get back faq file renewed interest subject , type , permission , article james deyoung think one best articles 've read conservative position ca n't post , come piece meal daily i'm done entire article , make available faq file talk clh also , ca n't get , may try one rexlex fnal fnal gov fnal gov loren senders fnal gov source nt meaning arsenokoitai , implications christian ethics ministry james b deyoung professor new testament western conservative baptist seminary portland , oregon traditional interpretation arsenokoitai \( homosexuals \) 1 cor 6 9 1 tim 1 10 refers sexual vice people sex , specifically restrict term 's meaning active male , stronger evidence supports general translation , namely homosexuals recently definition homosexual opposed linguistic grounds , claim term homosexuals anachronistic addition , criticism traditional rendering says term today includes celibate , excludes heterosexuals engage homosexual acts , includes female homosexuals concern acts instead modern attention desires factor ancient world foregoing translation arsenokoitai homosexuals number weaknesses finally , study argues paul coined term arsenokoitai , deriving lxx lev 20 12 \( cf 18 22 \) using homosexual orientation behavior , latter occasion church discipline \( cor 5 6 \) legislation society \( 1 tim 1 8 11 \) introduction rise gay rights movement recent years increasing focus biblical statements regarding homosexuality sodomy part focus , meaning term arsenokoitai , used twice apostle paul \( 1 cor 6 9 , tim 1 10 \) , received vigorous scrutiny issue particularly crucial contemporary society since much modern ethics shaped biblical statements particularly , concern gay rights place gays homosexuals church society require resolution biblical interpretation study historical , linguistic , literary matters survey recent proposals meaning arsenokoitai present evidence point resolution several writers positions represent modern debate word three authors , bailey , boswell , scroggs , provoked considerable discussion significantly encouraged wider acceptance homosexual lifestyle society , church , ministry footnotes 1 convenience sake , term homosexual used encompass sex orientation sex behavior meaning term one main considerations study 2 times century ago p \( pastoral epistles , \) 891 \) could write arsenokoitai term fortunately language proper equivalent unknowingly thereby touched upon basis contemporary debate study present writer endorses pauline authorship pastoral epistles basis internal external evidence \( see donald guthrie , new testament introduction , 4th ed 1990 621 649 , extensive discussion citation supporters pauline authorship \) 3 example , see influence olson , web , side \( april 1984 \) 24 29 study suggesting prohibition homosexuality ot , see phillips , father 's , vt 30 1 \( jan , 1980 \) 38 43 bibliography sources dealing arsenokoitai , see religion indexes \( ny h co , 1987 \)
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject extensions nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 59 article ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes article andrew cmu edu , daniel u holbrook dh3q andrew cmu edu writes extensions know ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us \? edu us \? \( com edu us \? \) fr france dk denmark norway com edu united states , one refers commercial institutions , mental mean , educational institutions gov also pretty much us , refers government institutions internet built backbone , us defense contractor network used extension think mean arpa american association retired persons , seriously doubt 'd want young building anything , de \) identify type organisation internet extended convention countries , us retained old conventions general convention n't country tag , 's us site includes com commercial edu educational mil us military sites gov us gov't non military sites \( eg nasa sites \) org anyone none sites tags non us sites , country extension \( eg xxxx edu au extension saw today \) us sites also use us extension , , mr smith pointed , internet built arpanet backbone , default us sites 's country code would suggest anyone n't know \( wants know non system administrative level \) check book whole internet user 's guide catalog ed krol \( catalog user 's guide \? never remember , copy desk home \) 's good necessarily technical guide internet various utilities \( including usenet \) n't think 's part nutshell series , published o'reilly associates go one news newsgroups , damned figure one \) james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
hanson kronos arc nasa gov \( robin hanson \) subject estimating wiretap costs benefits nntp posting host arc nasa gov organization nasa arc information sciences division lines 166 would wiretap chip cost effective \? robin hanson draft , april 21 , 1993 summary compared average monthly phone bill sixty dollars , wiretaps worth two cents month police proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs less one part three thousand cost effective background , phones happened allow existence wiretaps , detectors could pick conversations phone line time , law enforcement agencies come rely capability aid criminal investigations however , powerful new encryption technologies threaten status quo , making possible truly private communication small chip phone could soon make literally impossible conversation without physical microphones either end order preserve ability law enforcement agencies tap phone conversations , u government announced april 16 , 1993 developed begun manufacturing special wiretap chip placed future phones , instead total privacy chips private development day , announced would use chips secure telephone products chip would created government supervision , would given fixed encryption key periodically conversation , chip would broadcast identifier info special law enforcement block law enforcement officers court order could obtain key corresponding special trust agencies , could thereby listen future previously recorded conversations phone date , concerns voiced plan security government wo n't disclose encryption algorithm , many suspect government limit access way claimed track record previous governments inspire confidence point 1 however , paper neglect concerns , ask instead whether new wiretap chip cost effective tool police investigation , cheaper way society investigate crime force phone communications support wiretaps , give police agencies money investigate crimes ways \? put another way , would police agencies willing pay wiretap , pay share full social cost forcing phones support wiretaps \? start answer question , might compare current benefits wiretaps provide law enforcement agencies projected costs implementing new wiretap chip plan since current benefits easier estimate , begin wiretap benefits 1990 latest year wiretap statistics available 2 year , 872 wiretap installations requested , requests denied \( figure include wiretaps obtained consent party conversation \) 2057 arrests resulted wiretaps started year , arrests came wiretaps previous years , 55 arrests led convictions 76 wiretaps phones \( vs , email , etc \) , 60 regarding drug offenses , 40 requested federal authorities wiretap installation heard average calls , 22 incriminating , among 131 people , cost average 45 , 125 \( extrapolating 794 installations reporting costs \) , mostly labor thus total 40 million spent wiretaps , obtain 4000 arrests , 10 , 000 per arrest thus arrests least four times expensive 2500 per arrest figure one gets dividing 28 billion spent police nationally total 11 million non traffic arrests 3 thus 30 million per year spent phone taps one total police expenditures divide 138 million phone access lines country 3 , get 23 cents spent per year per phone line , two cents month general , deter given class criminals combination perceived probability caught convicted , expected punishment level convicted social value wiretaps amount would pay get criminal deterrence means unable wiretap particular suspect 's phone , police might instead use hidden microphones , investigate suspect ways police might focus suspects easily investigated without wiretaps might raise fine prison time certain types crime assume substitutes wiretaps would average twice expensive wiretaps , annual social benefit phone wiretaps equal current spending level two cents month per phone line wiretap costs let us moment assume us government encryption scheme secure whatever private enterprise would offered instead , protecting conversations spying ears neighbors , corporations , governments , foreign domestic even , need support wiretaps would add many additional costs build maintain communication system extra law enforcement blocks would added phone transmissions , increasing traffic unknown percentage special process must used add encryption keys chips , securely distributing keys special agencies , must funded monitored chips designed military contractor , whose design remain secret , manufactured special process chip becomes nearly impossible take apart \( chips offered relatively high price 30 peice lots 10 , 000 4 \) private encryption systems supporting wiretaps would require none extra costs perhaps important , government degree would least partially replace private marketplace evolution standards voice represented , encrypted , exchanged future phones widely believed governments less efficient private enterprise procuring products standards , though may perhaps perform useful role choose competing private standards much less efficient matter debate , say pay twice much , others might say 10 currently , total 96 billion spent operating expenses u phone companies 3 , comes 60 per month per access line compare wiretap value two cents per month , see wiretaps raise average operating costs even much one part 3000 , wiretaps cost effective ! n't even include extra costs phone owners pay encryption chips expensive course phones would n't encryption chips , wiretap benefit per phone still , argument still applies conclusion given dramatic difference total cost running phone system value wiretaps , justify slightest modification phone system accommodate wiretaps modification required allow investigators attach clips phone wires , wiretap support may reasonable consider substantial modification , burden proof clearly proposing modification show costs would really less benefits consensus cannot obtain cost benefit estimate , compromise might tax phones support wiretaps rate say five cents per month , tax payable police agencies nationwide compensate loss wiretap abilities 1 invisible weapon , oxford press , isbn 0 19 6 2 report applications orders authorizing approving interception wire , oral , electronic communications , 1990 , administrative office u courts , washington , dc 3 u statistical abstracts , 1992 4 dorothy denning , clipper chip technical summary , distributed sci crypt newsgroup april 21 , 1993 robin hanson hanson ptolemy arc nasa gov 415 604 ms 269 2 , nasa ames research center , moffett field , ca 94035 510 651 male terrace , fremont , ca 94539
mike hahn z5 fidonet org \( mike hahn \) subject doctrine original sin lines 32 stephen creps writes sac also , know sac bible says everyone must baptized enter heaven exactly say \? sac everyone includes infants , unless scripture sac contrary , e exception since exception listed sac bible , must assume \( safe side \) bible means sac says , everyone must baptized enter heaven think see exception case cornelius household , mentioned acts course , baptised , god showed accepted giving holy spirit means already acceptable god baptism , suddenly died would gone heaven case seems far fetched ancestor mine missionary worked among jealous christianity , poisoned first convert could baptised surely still went heaven \? i'm inclined agree comment recorded time neglect baptism , contempt , condemns mike internet mike hahn z5 fidonet org via catalyst bbs port elizabeth , south africa \( alt za \) 27 41 34 , v32bis hst
mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) subject help adding scsi drive originator mark joule pcl organization physical chemistry laboratory , south parks road , oxford ox1 3qz lines 61 article 1993apr19 195301 oracle us oracle com , ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes 486sx25 computer 105 mg seagate ide drive controler built motherboard want add scsi drive \( quantum prodrive 425 mg formatted \) documentation need help ! understand , process adding drive could please tell i'm right 1 buy scsi contoler one \? know adaptec good , kind expensive good boards 100 region \? want compatible os2 unix possible also , seen net scsi scsi2 drives true \? adapter need drive \? type drive quantum \? tried others , think adaptec best value money 2 connect drive adapter via scsi cable power cable worry power supply \? think 200 watts i'm powering two floppies seagate drive dont think mix two types drive , unless one scsi ide cards available turn ide 3 setup bios recognize drive second drive type drive \? n't numbers drive instructions drive type included controller may type 1 matter disk others may type 47 one controller tell bios hard disk installed 4 format create partitions drive use format fdisk \? think ide drives ca n't low level formatted scsi \? exactly fdisk work \? reduced msdos 5 0 manual \( clone \) mention fdisk ideally , would want drive partitioned two partitions e \? low level format scsi unless scsi low level format program first use fdisk set partitions , use format well seems anythiing i'm forgetting \? help really appreciated , i'm lost eric ebosco us oracle com mark mark uk ac ox physchem
eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject news missed reply gfeygin unicorn eecg toronto edu 's message 14 may 93 17 16 57 gmt lines 7 reply eggertj mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 1993may7 175730 12246 ncsu edu bony1 bony com genesis mcs com 1993may14 jarvis csri toronto edu article 1993may14 jarvis csri toronto edu gfeygin unicorn eecg toronto edu \( feygin \) writes actually judea samaria proper geographical names , like asia minor lake michigan another name region cis jordan jim eggertj mit edu \( jim eggert \)
flash austin lockheed com \( james w melton \) subject lciii problems \( sideways hd 's \) article shrike organization lockheed austin division , 6800 rd , austin , tx lines 36 article usenet ins cwru edu kephart snowhite eeap cwru edu \( kephart \) writes article menudo uh edu , sunnyt coding bchs uh edu writes good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position , completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position asked question ago contemplating placing 650 's side received response someone seagate \( sorry trashed message \) stating newer drives \( least \) well compensate gravity means horizontally formatted drive later placed vertically data integrity problems problems putting drive formatted vertically side horizontally \? got drive years ago rubber feet side , etc used like since \( obviously designed orientation \) however , n't fit clever places think place , would really like lay flat put low shelf probably newer drive , 70 meg , bought , large drive average user \( comparable buying 200 meg drive today \) old , 70 meg drive fragile \( \) new 200 meg drive \? curious jim melton , novice guru email flash austin lockheed com far know , voice mail \( 512 \) 386 computer never fax \( 512 \) 386 undetected error
oj world std com \( oliver jones \) subject xlib timeouts \? keywords xlib timeouts organization shawsheen software lines 12 article ccdw kudu ccdw kudu ru ac za \( dave wilson \) writes process modifying x application uses xlib 'd like include timer driven facility \( network polling \) sorts things xt main loop , rig timer queue , put select \( 2 \) poll \( 2 \) call main loop obtain file descriptor x display connection using fd \( display \) functionality main loop xt quite useful good news , get source !
0005111312 mcimail com \( peter nesbitt \) subject starting letter writing campaign organization utexas mail news gateway lines 63 nntp posting host cs utexas edu okay , result efforts i'm getting started type activity , please set flame low comments , corrections , suggestions , welcomed editor , would like ask readers questions related right keep bear arms , greater degree , many rights take granted daily basis 1 're sleeping night , hear someone house call police defend , need arise , waiting police \? 2 driving family home car breaks good samaritan stops help , find family gun point knife point defend \? family \? 3 woman walking alone car home man appears suddenly intent rape defend \? strong enough fight attacker \? willing let man rape order survive attack \? house senate way , soon right keep bear arms , provided second amendment constitution gun may answer every dangerous situation , going let politicians decide sort force weapon may use defend family \? many times situation may brandishing handgun certain members house senate way , 25 , 32 , 9mm ammunition banned sale anyone military law enforcement departments soon , may able purchase ammunition use handgun already 15 day waiting period california really feel law abiding citizen required wait amount time purchase handgun life family members threatened \? local police excellent job , time , moments notice right protect waiting help arrive currently legislation circulating washington would prohibit sale certain types , handguns , rifles , shot guns one elected official even wants repeal second amendment ! want ask readers paper would elected officials decided belong certain church , go church day \? told could read certain books \? write certain subjects \? longer right jury peers \? right assemble peaceful manner \? rights provided constitution amendments give one right , may well give fight right keep bear arms , fight \? life affected \? write law makers ! protect rights defending second amendment rights
colorado edu subject tempest cyclone info needed lines 10 nntp posting host gold colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 10 article news duke edu , connie acpub duke edu \( connie \) writes two models talk well listen new system facility called speech manager convert text strings sent applications pass speech synthesizer make perfect apple ought run right license voice certain mrs speech synthesizer scott
rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) subject asimov stamp nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 23 article schnitzi eustis schnitzi eustis cs ucf edu \( mark schnitzius \) writes battin cyclops iucf indiana edu \( laurence gene battin \) writes apart suggestion appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently , mention possible asimov commemorative stamp \? idea n't followed , anyone know needs done get happen \? think great idea start petition something \? i'm sure religious types would get due asimov 's atheism atheists stamps \? point , long atheists going insulted addition religious blah blah money pledge \? 's big , noisy iq 8 \? operation rescue
berlin de \( ronald j \) subject low powered bikes ! organization public access unix system x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 18 anybody share opinion big city traffic bike low powered example cant accelerate trouble necessary screwed versions bikes sold german market different classes liscence seems make lot middle aged men putt putt around 25 hr getting way real traffic ! anybody else opinions topic ! \? email berlin de ronald j ron looking new work berlin \( voice \) 49 30 rent rooms ! fax 49 30
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( matt \) subject comment clinton reno batf waco organization lehigh university lines 115 input 6 1200 7 title letter editor author matthew l date april 20 , 1993 letter fbi , david koresh said want pull back heavens show anger \? ! fear '' 51 day standoff federal agents branch davidians ended april 19 appeared mass suicide fire multi million dollar standoff , things remain cleaning mess , assigning blame onset april 19 tear gas attacks federal agents , president clinton already started passing buck saying attorney general fbi knew going done , decision entirely made tactical decision '' enter attorney general janet reno branch davidians died , reno said took decision ``i approved said adding advise clinton details '' fact , told clinton ``the best way go '' fire roaring branch davidian 's compound clinton said loss breath ``the law enforcement agencies involved waco siege recommended course action pursued today '' later went say ``i stand reno 's decision '' begin \? february 28 agents bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms \( batf \) launched full scale , high profile assault branch davidian 's compound raid much assault group suspected possessing illegal weapons assault planned media circus used propaganda device batf show might purpose onset raid , heavily armed batf agents made way inside compound without identifying state warrant long shooting began silently , agents made way compound 's buildings started charging buildings throwing concussion grenades ordering cult members come buildings unknown persons dressed black ninja combat attack , throwing grenades brandishing firearms , would assume people criminals attempt defend \? tactics employed batf provoked battle initial assualt batf successful unfortunately , lives lost sides , assault success , liberal media would praised batf showing footage batf agents away bunch gun wielding religious nuts course , violation cult 's rights would overlooked media would proclaim america 's fortune super cop organizations like batf systematically groups branch davidians far see , batf fbi dropped ball like philadelphia 1985 move crisis left 11 dead , 250 homeless , city block razed appears batf adopted shoot first tactic knock raids execute search warrants n't let batf convince knock raid justified knock assaults make sense looking , say , drugs easily hidden disposed seconds batf looking illegal weapons , drugs could hidden flushed toilet matter seconds ever happened ``this police ! surrounded '' \? policy knock raids , federal local agencies , restricted , use military firepower presumed innocent citizens scary idea , davidians justified using lethal force ensure fourth ammendment rights ``the right people secure persons , houses , papers , effects , unreasonable searches denied matthew l newline end matthew lehigh edu good prime call 2 756839 1 410 webster street public key available bethlehem pa upon request
kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) subject pressure zone microphones organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines 43 distribution world nntp posting host grissom larc nasa gov article crcnis1 unl edu mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) writes remember , back commercial mikes pzm label \( pressure zone microphone \) started showing , read article , engineering journal , described principles involved physics aside , standpoint author 's said built prototype nothing small sony mike laid large aluminum disk demonstrating presentation audio engineers , impressive enough people present bugging could buy yup , 's difficult anyway want build use mikes \( wide coverage \) 've good luck using small electret mike elements got digi key limited bandwidth , units buck two got ones spec 'd go 20khz bit flatter response panasonic cartridges n't bad , n't spectacular distance mike opening flat plate kind critical i'm debating whether mount 's side , puts opening shade plate , mounting opening actually pointing plate small clearance n't unit like buy radio shack see thoughts \? n't mount side call crown , company patent pzm , ask information construction use things may determine correct spacing noise source spectrum analyzer design panasonic cartridges uses tuned cavity front electret element increase high frequency response , going altering resistance cavity entrance crown nice book subject , though 's unfortunately rather short mathematics 's article many years back , still , application , 'll lot better buying cheap radio shack models using phil 's modifications get clean balanced output phil 's mods seem get reposted regular basis scott
munnari oz au \( \) subject server goes deaf organization comp sci , univ melbourne , au lines 14 nntp posting host munnari oz au x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 anyone else observed behaviour , done cure \? one workstation wfw network goes deaf form communication workstations goes network interact time later goes deaf workstation set share discs etc machine 486dx 33 , 8mb ram , diamond stealth video behaves way variety 16 bit network adapters , including smc elite also behaves way use windows vga driver , rather diamond drivers
brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) subject program display gif files \? reply brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) organization vidiot 's hangout lines 19 article minya uucp jc minya uucp \( john chambers \) writes seems silly , 've located things like tgif edit gif files , various tools convert gif format , n't able locate program opens window displays gif file 've looked thru various faq files , also avail one lurking archive \? nothing sophisticated show pretty picture \? alternatively , could locate specs gif , n't suppose would hard write , idea even start looking spec \( well , actually , idea newsgroup \) get , xv , version 3 0 reads displays many different formats harvard ucbvax ! uwvax ! astroatc ! ftms ! brown uu2 psi com ! ftms ! brown rutgers internet brown wi extrel com ftms ! brown astroatc uucp cs wisc edu
uproar enet dec com \( marc \) subject looking file manager twm organization digital equipment corporation lines 27 article 1993may19 ips cs tu bs de , sommer ips cs tu bs de \( sommer \) writes hi ! every command line shell user close ears , , eyes i'm looking x file manager driven twm somebody told last night , one openwindows \( certainly one ms windows \) 'd like x one , know , icon 's , click drag , directory structures shown graphic layout , paper basket etc anybody got idea \? 've recently joined motif world , 'd like similar tool motif 've used openwin one past miss cheers , r c marc cr ltd 44 \( 0 \) 895 place , drive , marc mts dec com uxbridge , middlesex ,
adrie philips nl \( adrie \) subject monitors nanao \? organization philips consumer electronics , eindhoven , netherlands lines 19 article news iastate edu schauf iastate edu \( brian j schaufenbuel \) writes tube viewsonic 17 use \? support 1600x1280 \? 've looking philips 1762dt uses sony trinitron tube , digital controls , supports , 25mm dot pitch found 1000 original poster , john navitsky , said might use monitor sparcstation lx lx able generate picture 1280 1024 76 hz officially , tried set resolution refresh rate lx came non screen tube obviously could n't handle speed 67 hz , worked perfectly buying third party monitor 's going used sparcstation lx , might consider monitor 's fast enough 1280 1024 76hz n't know sure whether lx supports \( sun certainly wo n't tell \) 'll check adrie \( adrie philips nl \) philips consumer electronics , eindhoven , netherlands
news cbnewsk att com subject homosexuality issues christianity organization bell labs lines 46 article may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu writes one thinks homosexuality christianity compatible check romans 1 27 corinthians 6 9 timothy 1 10 jude 1 7 ii peter 2 6 9 gen 19 lev 18 22 \( name verses pertain homosexuality \) would n't go sin father told growing catholics allowed associate anyone divorced verses divorce somehow , divorce became acceptable \( even catholicism \) certainly longer sin associate divorced person point person deal paul repeatedly talks thorn side , think refers lust , others pride , knows whatever thorn , apparently compatible christianity , yet make epistles less \? bible warns us judging , greed , anxiety , impure thoughts , bearing , etc , etc suppose seek called christians entertained impure thoughts given greed , get 'em outta jesus pointed physician sinners attempts make homosexuals feel unwelcome discomfort homosexuality incompatible christianity hatred deep rather see someone try become closer jesus , need keep away jesus need us screen guilty particular sin really mistrust jesus says forgive sin \? think among people jesus encountered sinners pharisees sinners embraced pharisees , , , self righteous , pointed others sins seek thus gain forgiveness sins take verses admit sins , sins forgiven since guilty even one sin guilty whole law , repenting judging others guilty , guilty committed sin judged others poor spirit , meek , humble , merciful , pure heart , peacemakers , thirst justice , suffer sake blessed joe moore
josephc cco caltech edu \( joseph chiu \) subject clear lcd led sheets organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 22 distribution usa nntp posting host sandman caltech edu magnus acs ohio state edu \( mark \) writes interested finding supplier array leds material transparent nothing lit i'm quite sure lcd screens like away laptop would guess clear ideal item would led array led 1 2 square \( yes course \) distance viewing , window pointers suggestions would much appreciated , pray tell , putting together \? costs \? transparent totally transparent \? transparent enough allow light side shine \? joseph chiu josephc cco caltech edu os 2 gotta get thing ! msc 380 caltech pasadena , ca 91126 happiness x wings make appointment 1 818 449 5457 calendar entry send fax , resuming game
cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject monitors i'm using , i'm using ! lines 18 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey article usenet ucs indiana edu silver ucs indiana edu \( chang hsu liu \) writes u environmental protection agency formed alliance computer manufacturers promote introduction energy efficient pcs power automatically used bad idea machine 24 hours day , 's actually things 24 hours day use purpose alarm clock , scheduler , 've got routines run middle night , phone calls makes day i'm machine 24 hours day , count working 24 hours day could call work download file might need , could call work turn lights i'm going late \( oops , wasted electricity conversely , could turn lights \) heck , suppose could even connect microwave dinner ready get oh well nevermind i'm babbling
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 37 uxa cso uiuc edu \( david nash \) writes 're talking orbiting ad , little point light puts streak two photograph clear anything used advertisement going bit larger point source even clear 's previous post topic makes clear message id fox graphics nyu edu sender notes cmcl2 nyu edu \( notes person \) nntp posting host graphics cs nyu edu organization courant institute mathematical sciences date sun , 16 may 1993 03 30 05 gmt lines 132 new york times sunday may 9th week review section report group called space marketing atlanta , georgia planning put one mile wide reflective earth orbiting satelite appear large bright moon carry sort advertising description 've read , 's prob going bright jupiter anything else probably hype opponents wishful thinking sponsors could something bright full moon soon , cheap , cis would done already phil fraering number one good faith ! convert , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu tortured demons ! anon mahen missionary
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 97 may 13 02 31 16 1993 1569 geneva rutgers edu djohnson cs ucsd edu \( darin johnson \) writes ok , 's important gay christians \? sex , christianity \? i'm afraid see question tendentious try 's important christians \? love god love human beings \? course conceivable answer one like deeply suspicious flavor christianity would elevate one clause great commandment priority claim conflict true , told let dead bury dead , hate family rather let keep us following christ dichotomy one love fellows love god , allowing social constructs blind us presense god particularly satanic twist love god manner become excuse treat others different level one caught love god trouble comes relation human love human sex yes , sometimes case church taught sex nasty , evil , sinful stuff man wife leave parental homes become , living one flesh , sex vehicle becoming one flesh \( doubt , read st paul wrong prostitutes \) \) less , mean sexual bonding deeply founded aspect social interaction , particular foundation institution marriage , unlike many mammals , human males remain foster children support children 's mothers behind genesis 2 18 24 \( behind jesus' citation passage \) observe , way , human males fact described another thing characterizes human societies raising non begotten children , orphans like , products quite common humans spouses unique animal world , full extent social consequences implications intricate us yes , course sometimes goes wrong like else , infected sin , find married couples bond , people addicted initial stages sexual bond formation \( , falling love phase \) break forming bond order keep stepping threshold deep unity god prepared us , stepping back right away satan may indeed use sex handy tool corrupt human love creation , nature , god 's grace power christ make things new need problem christians \( though must , even christ , devil , around like roaring lion seeking someone \) , returning original question , important straight christians \? sex , christianity \? paul , clearly , tended think sex best distraction christianity \( though charitable , context expectation immediate , hard tasks married union lifelong building adaptation seemed somehow proper preparation immediate since know hour return , act instant readiness mates proposes long lifetime together telling people bond perspective strikes crippling us second clause commandment love would claim saints capacity deeply love \( without sexual complication , mind \) fellow human beings unless deeply spiritual life married union growing together one flesh means type case , persistent continued sexual relationship human , little good comes trying flesh point pretending otherwise , pretending sexual beings christianity would hope would willing forgo sex completely , order avoid stumbling block others , depends entirely context context major hypocrisy part find us stumbling blocks much less mind sins people life celibacy gift , maybe even victory troubling sexual urge seems lead sin nothing say ever read gift even gift love , indeed god 's creation , develop full without marriage founded sex difference spiritual gifts telling people particular gift \( else \? \? \) fraught manipulation disregard differences spiritual god one person given gift speaking toungues , another toungues yet another prophecy still another teaching notion particular gift required one earliest heresies michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
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dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject accounts anti armenian human right violations azerbaijan 015 summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization p center regional studies lines 854 accounts anti armenian human right violations azerbaijan 015 prelude current events nagorno karabakh beat husband , dragged wife outside , stood naked next burning things husband lying feet ground crowd shouted , look naked armenian ! going throw poor woman fire mamma would n't allow went window saw standing , took heated fire stuck body zinaida born 1937 electric booster station daughters gayane \( gaya \) born 1970 orderly sumgait municipal hospital 1 diana born 1978 second year student sumgait secondary school 13 residents building 21 31 , apartment 47 microdistrict 3 sumgait azerbaijan zinaida march 20 arrived yerevan , next day registered us train station took us boarding house conditions wonderful , thanks armenians , received us 's relaxing n't know everyone else feels , 's torture n't place call two bedroom apartment sumgait , children went school lived well , friendship 's painful times , 1988 , soviet period , people break apartment try kill children , 've put efforts whole youth everything going well us older daughter studying institute , middle one preparing enter medical school orderly , youngest sick long time , returned health though lot life 's seven years since lost husband , raised children lots women similar fates , 's nothing done ca n't control remember happened sumgait february 27 , 28 , 29 , horror , 's february 27 relative , ira , came visit us 's better friends oldest daughter , right away asked , 's vika \? say , vika 's trip three days , 's supposed come back tomorrow middle daughter , gaya , baked cake sat talking laughing , drinking tea gaya diana went walk ira home left minutes went suddenly hear noise raced balcony balcony right across bus station , live corner mir streets look see people near bus station 're shouting something 're shouting ca n't understand neighbor standing balcony , ask , , 's happened \? says , n't know , ca n't figure either got scared kids gone outside , wanted run , knock door open door 's kids mamma , says gayane , 'll never believe 's going ! 's awful ! ira says , aunt , 're shouting , ! karabagh ! karabagh ! ' n't know going 're threatening drive armenians slaughter called brother , wife answered phone said , aunt , n't worry , ira staying us , 'll see home later could n't shut eyes night long , even morning worried vika god , going , happened \? ! gayane day , 27th , stood balcony observed happening , although mamma would n't allow us watch n't 50 yards building bus station could see hear everything perfectly stopping buses , dragging people , leading passengers , looking armenians found armenian bus , started n't know call zinaida 's called slaughter gayane mob would descend people beat n't know killing , left , lay still , moving , though nothing left one person lying started dragging police standing right , side , anything , n't take steps calm mob awful stand watch balcony could n't go anywhere , somehow wanted able see everything tell later wanted leave sumgait day kept us idea live soviet union , something would done world government \? ! zinaida could n't leave town , course , older daughter n't home time terrified gaya diana sunday morning went see ira home , neighbor said , , know went 's house smashed everything murdered father two sons neighbor , 's armenian , lives first floor think , god , happening \? ! broad daylight ! saw ira home way back came across mob shouting armenians ! karabagh ! 12 o'clock afternoon way stopped bread store says , beat store manager , thought armenian beat , azerbaijani asked , kill \? says , , 's serious condition left started walk home street , mob started moving direction turned street went little way goes toward store met another crowd , n't bandits , people sumgait frightened walked without knowing going , could n't feel legs ground feet walking boy standing eyes 27th , around evening time ran balcony , mob toward shouting , 's armenian , get ! wore black coat grabbed , boy , near bus stop , saw grabbed legs struck head asphalt made home could n't calm oldest daughter thoughts thinking , daughter 's coming home , 'll stop bus 'll gone 's police , protection , nothing 's like died , 's one , nothing , authorities whatsoever ca n't even find words ! look see arriving going bus station stop near place , across kosmos movie theater stops gang yelling , azerbaijanis running toward yelling , armenians ! see take armenians beat , killing ca n't watch nightmare could n't watch gaya standing watching , says , mamma , see , know 's happening , see eyes tell people later children know gayane saw great deal 27th caught less 20 people eyes ca n't say sure killed zinaida many people , mob big could n't make anything saw boy black coat eyes 18 19 years old gayane think older , probably , 22 tall fellow , big guy , coat walking quickly , shouted armenian , tore running mob went caught right balcony n't know n't think could much left imagine happens crowd attacks one person mob , big , angry , know , similarity way dressed , mostly wearing long black coats could n't even tell apart , wearing black looked alike zinaida picked boy struck asphalt cried mamma ! ran room could n't watch longer awful lot going right , various places , n't boy , several people beaten could n't see , boy cried mamma ! immediately started watching gayane first day went six morning twelve night midnight dispersed police took place scattered districts explain fact morning , already started getting light , around seven o'clock , police gone \? police disappeared yielded positions bandits morning started gathering inter section , bus station entrance downtown morning roads mass transit stops covered , nine o'clock could n't even see ground thousands people crowd began stopping vehicles checking armenians zinaida signals realized noticed made cross arms , crossed arms heads cross , evidently , meant vehicle armenians let azerbaijani cars , stopped armenian ones started pogrom gayane stopped white zhiguli asked driver nationality got said baku nationality \? says armenian immediately start shouting , ermeni , ermeni ! says , 's going \? i'm coming baku n't live sumgait n't matter , cares 're baku sumgait anyway crowd started beating , dragged woman wife , probably car point police came took two led away mob started smashing car , burned flames horrible fire ! everyone ran away , thought car going explode 20 minutes later another car comes along , green ran shouting ermeni ! ermeni ! time n't pull people car , n't beat maybe burned along car , one emerged flames neighbor boy standing balcony , acquaintances walked , asked said , yes , burned along car two hours later whole wedding procession came , doll first car thought armenians , cars started honk loudly azerbaijanis , immediately allowed zinaida driver waved hand say 'get way ' whole crowd parted procession passed freely gayane way , marriage hall , right courtyard building , wedding day azerbaijanis dancing streets grief death , people killed , people celebrating whole time zinaida apartment attacked asked gaya call find tourist bus supposed arrive went girlfriend 's building , lives first entryway , third floor gaya came back said , mamma , bus supposed come around eight , eight imagine feeling , hard vika knew nothing happening coming meet death heard shouting raced window see belongings neighbors second entryway thrown outdoors thrashing pillows lying like snow started cry walking around room , crying , wailing vika 's , come gaya , course , mamma , nothing happen , n't worry , calm , 's good company , 'll look diana saw green car burn car burning went onto balcony gaya pushed away , telling get balcony left came balcony asked armenians zinaida 're right , forgot , 27th diana 's small , area front balcony trees planted mob asked armenians building neighbors said , , armenians n't lot armenians building , n't armenian families , either gayane fell upon apartments 28th terribly many courtyard huge , completely filled zinaida made appearance television earlier said two people , azerbaijanis , killed karabagh said know bees sound , heard buzz \? like buzzing millions bees buzzing flew courtyard , howling shouting n't know describe point afraid watch balcony , looked bedroom window bookstore , armenians live second fourth floors saw things thrown windows realized would upon us minute shouted gayane , gaya , hide gold 's honestly told child grabbed diana n't know ! vika still n't home , already getting dark afraid look time already horrified gayane case , changed television channel moscow station azerbaijani one zinaida turned loud gayane never listened azerbaijani music n't much us years almost never listened sometimes would watch entertainment show film azerbaijani television turned full blast would think azerbaijanis zinaida well imagine , 're slaughtering armenians , robbing , 're listening concert music baku azerbaijani neighbors suggested , knocked door told gaya turn azerbaijani music already anyway turn lights , told us , think 're armenians 're saying armenians afraid turn lights , 're hiding gayane apparently kind arrangement , noticed lights armenian apartments , , azerbaijanis warned , every last one lights turned lights two neighbors came immediately , later , another one turn lights , told us , please nothing happen calm nothing happen zinaida wo n't allow come apartment gayane believed people never done anything bad zinaida whole nightmare , march 15 , left armenia , coming building crying azerbaijanis crying , saying , god \? could raise hands family \? never anyone harm , never refused anyone anything , hard times , time fortune , time mourning could give away \? could sell river \? really given us away protected us , others gave us away sold us river gayane wearing day , began became cautious reason changed clothes azerbaijani women n't wear pants young armenian russian girls sumgait wore pants , azerbaijanis found strange thought better put , otherwise wo n't believe told azerbaijanis nothing else could way forced turn god knows let hair , , threw scarf head zinaida told , mamma , hide take diana go room two look like armenians 'll figure 're armenians right away could go away leave \? ! gayane went onto balcony worked better way armenian family fourth entryway gave us hope ones , neighbors would n't let , azerbaijanis , would fear children looked saw someone crawling balcony , easy get onto balcony would lose keys neighbors would let places would crawl across onto balcony get way turned around saw guy knife balcony looks shouts , nationality \? zinaida time knocking door gayane nationality \? 's shouting well first frightened , got control answered perfect azerbaijani , ashamed , asking question like ca n't see i'm azerbaijani \? armenian would come meet face face look eyes \? looks tells people , yes , azerbaijanis live tell , check , ca n't , armenians asks , nationality \? say , ca n't see \? started could say anything else 're blind , 's sure ! yell want , wo n't make us armenians hear breaking door , mamma went toward door say , n't time deal , 're breaking door 1 go door ask , \? answer , open ! say , wait , breaking door \? 's going \? i'm opening never locked lower lock , broken , locked fear , could n't get open say wait , i'm looking key opened door almost broken already opened door burst say , 's going \? breaking door \? zinaida started climbing balcony 're shouting , n't open door \? say , well 've already come balcony diana sees knives , runs bathroom , closes door gaya cries , mamma , diana ran bathroom ! ran door forgot pretending azerbaijanis , said armenian diana , open door ! gaya tried calm , i'm shouting tears eyes diana open door diana sitting couch doll , little red riding hood guy climbed balcony big knife yellow handle put mamma 's stomach ran bathroom , opened door , slammed behind frightened , started cry shouted , mamma , want kill ! started shouting , give us passports gaya says , need passports , 're azerbaijanis gayane tried convince azerbaijanis , trying everything could , could get knees plead could humble , moment worried lives honest n't care anything else , long little sister would survive , life health cost us dearly ! tell , , n't understand anything \? started shouting , tremendously excited , shouting terribly loud voices , saying stepanakert girls killed , raped , tossed around n't us \? said , 's \? \? armenians ! us \? give knife , 'll cut face calm , tell zinaida told , n't deal ! , karabakh \? nothing happened , one fighting , armenians , us n't give right back \? 've got \? got confused saying azerbaijanis , suddenly started speaking though armenian , n't notice one next , knife breast says others , pretty girls meant gaya 10 year old diana terrified gaya started assuring azerbaijanis one guy stood doorway gave us bad looks gayane demanded passports said , young man , n't passport says , let 's passport , wo n't believe without passport one started searching documents turned wardrobe room upside , took picture wall , started pulling clothes hooks , yelling shouting , passport ! passport ! started yelling , much noise apartment shouting hair stood end suddenly said , listen , papa died , 40 days n't passed yet , muslim household , 're mourning , ashamed , 've honor mamma started cry zinaida started crying husband died , 40 days n't yet passed , n't ashamed ! fact husband died seven years earlier , 1981 're mourning , burst demanding ments documents housing office , i'm filing pension well seemed like believed us one guy said , 're lezgins ca n't see , men , women leave another fellow group agreed , also said lezgins third said , , 're armenians well two convinced , know , rest listened 50 , , three room apartment , even entryway filled started leaving yes , 're lezgins , 're lezgins started leaving , one took tape recorder one first called us lezgins says , leave , \? seemed obey guy gayane tall , wearing jeans coat zinaida little moustache , think gayane , n't moustache , tall brown hair , n't bad looking sort n't anything hands zinaida stood threshold gayane yes , n't look like bad guy , know , face seemed familiar seen somewhere ca n't remember came , would n't able remain indifferent said lezgins leave , started glow inside hope continued argue way said , 're armenians fellow answered , even armenians , 's shameful , father died , 're mourning , 's nothing women house , 's men stay apartment mean , stay \? go ! said , , stay , 're lezgins , 're leaving three protected us zinaida , two one short coat one grey suit , stood threshold , 19 20 years old well young really two defended us diana three , three ! zinaida remember third one , diana \? diana yes , wearing dark clothes gayane third one one came back wore long brown coat diana wore long , brown coat , hair dark left , told downstairs women armenians , ran back said going kill us zinaida left , started calm little , closed door knock told gaya , take diana go room daughters went dining room , opened door guy said , run , hide ! 're coming kill ! ran third floor good neighbors , azerbaijanis sent kids stood alone , knowing far gone whole room could n't even think anything take even forgot take work documents time preparing report send baku , documents home could n't see anything could see vika , older daughter sent gaya diana upstairs , stood asking fellow , close door leave everything like \? says , mean , door \? get , 're coming kill ! standing \? ran children gayane barely time get third floor burst apartment started shouting , armenians \? already neighbors' infant time , neighbor said , n't worry , i'm letting anyone apartment matter zinaida third floor started asking folks , neighbors , go meet vika bus due arrive eight o'clock dissolved tears , gaya soothing , diana next us , crying , i'm already thinking 've lost older daughter , deep heart still believe 's alive tears going mind one could leave building , courtyard packed people , balcony neighbor whose apartment hiding asked bandits , armenians , ones home \? make \? told n't know asked lived answered , ca n't see , third floor asked specially divert attention apartment heard taking free reign apartment , threw color television balcony exploded gayane mamma crying whole time fell faint brought around held back , whole time kept making door go outside , alternately raving , shouting , calling vika n't notice us , probably next thoughts vika neighbors hiding us , offering tea zinaida grateful thanks children alive , well , unharmed throwing belongings burning beds , pillows , chairs neighbor came us said , lucky 's standing naked , woman instead 're part building lost husband , children , thank god 're position , would n't able take n't know would course would n't done anything , trying calm us yard torturing neighbors , fellow armenians lived fifth floor , third entryway married couple , nina , three children last name v hid two daughters , stayed son defend , even got boiling water ready , axe , held long time , beat husband , dragged wife outside , stood naked next burning things husband lying feet ground crowd shouted , look naked armenian ! going throw poor woman fire neighbors came , azerbaijani woman threw scarf , covered , neighbors led apartment neighbors saw heard gayane mamma would n't allow went window saw standing , took heated fire stuck body neighbor , lived entryway nina lives us boarding house saw done , nina showed , knees , almost neck , whole body covered , , wounds zinaida morning , night 29th , rather , one o'clock , two buses approached station wanted run n't care lived died , gayane would n't let go , neighbors said would bring disaster would slain along children gaya crying said forgot , children , could think vika imagined torn pieces , i'm mother , 're children , n't understand would jumped balcony run soldiers help going gayane would n't let mamma , please ! mamma , beg ! neighbors sleeping gayane woke cries held way till morning morning 29th told neighbor going go downstairs apartment , maybe vika lying , murdered told would go gone five minutes , seemed like eternity returned said one , nothing went , stole like mouse , slipped everything thrown n't go soldiers armored personnel carriers far away , farther bus station began looking briefcase work miserable daughter , time work documents , travel papers worked transport division trip sheets gayane mamma responsible person , always ready work around clock job zinaida look around ca n't find briefcase n't care fact everything stolen three rooms , everything smashed , furniture broken , worried later , first concerned lost documents went kitchen daughter hidden valuables gas stove ring five minutes passed gayane ran said , mamma , hurry diana came downstairs gayane found coat among debris , diana found track shoes , coat , dresses diana immediately got back neighbors started throwing things around apartment us threw television onto asphalt , exploded violently sounded like , vika n't , would n't eat , forced , could n't eat loved vika terribly always gone movies gone walks park went apartment next day everything broken , right away started looking dolls books , n't see anything went back upstairs managed take two cups tea service , gaya took vika 's suit one dresses italian boots gone , brown coat , beautiful , n't one beautiful dolls , giant lion gone , one top television large handsome two , one first grade second grade , one yellow green boy girl , 're playing drum violin , dog sitting closing ears , one letters , b , c , , e numbers 4 5 , two girls boy mouths open like singing beautiful gone many books , collected , tables boy given little birthday , n't around either big books , fat ones , disappeared , one left , box adventures , , fairy tales world left books gone zinaida continued searching briefcase , supervisor arrived waited nine o'clock , n't appear , thought something must happened , came 's russian , lomakin alik , mechanic , came saw wrecked apartment , could say thing saw started crying azerbaijani neighbors came crying , others helping pick go looking documents time put things wardrobe remember 's funny painful could thought returned apartment everything gone back normal \? incidentally , later , went back apartment things gone door gone supervisor left , afternoon , neighbor said leave , find another refuge i'm afraid , said , someone saw come apartment , could kill us god , could go daytime n't even know call , bandits , marauders , jackals , n't know call , ca n't find words , everywhere go two girls \? opened door tears eyes , terrified said , go alik 's , 's azerbaijani , say , said earlier , supervisor car , could taken us everyone feared lives could \? went entryway stood says , time would keep year , two right , i'm sorry another door opened , also third floor ask neighbor , tayara , hide place \? 's azerbaijani says , kind question \? come ! hid us many people courtyard , gaya hid wardrobe , put diana mattress , leaving small opening child could breathe tayara said bandits left would let us , came back would hide us sat wardrobe half hour gaya became ill , allowed get legs fell asleep felt like cannons n't eaten drunk anything long , since 27th , saw horror snapped tayara 's husband went outside , even though begged stay , saying man house said 'd courtyard , anything happened wife would signal put passport documents table suddenly came could show azerbaijani family girls went window going ! feared children , someone would recognize street gaya let hair put scarf would resemble azerbaijani , directly across 9 story building , windows right across us , shouted someone would see give us away spot kept looking diana watched zinaida downstairs bandits fighting soldiers soldiers n't shoot , n't orders saw throwing rocks soldiers , young boys , 18 19 year olds , defended i'm mother , different children one soldiers fell head started bleeding stop looking , l could n't watch anymore imagined children shoes gayane troops assumed defense morning buildings , soldiers surrounded bus station , block 36 , microdistrict 3 outside mob fell upon soldiers , started protect , mob courtyard soldiers caught several azerbaijanis started beating clubs one fell cracked open another 's head zinaida show lebanon television , war afghanistan 's like like america , attack demonstrations shields clubs 's courtyard gayane n't compare america , peaceful demonstrations , \? ! zinaida could happen somewhere america ! attacked soldiers , hurled stones thought , 's tear gas americans use demonstrators \? used gas jackals would scattered gayane would scattered soldiers since morning , n't bring fresh troops n't eaten , fine standing three hours , got tired n't even allowed sit noon , soldiers , attacked , tables turned mob went soldiers , guys group center street covered shields , azerbaijanis surrounded threw paving stones guys sat covering shields meanwhile tanks machine guns cruising streets always say , children never seen war never even dreamed , need thought people lived war truly horrible guys tired , exhausted , clubs taken away , others , shields , beaten , covered blood many died ! beat soldiers clubs shields guys stood could n't defend , could n't open fire could n't even defend , let alone us 's zinaida saying \? funny \? gayane , n't mean could something like happen soviet period \? 's painfully embarrassing ! burned armored personnel carriers , someone shouted , get away , 's going blow ! everyone scattered away , armored personnel carrier exploded soldiers lost senses drove personnel carrier bus mob rage fury , drove right sidewalk zinaida bus brought troops driver bus ran three people straight , saw two armored personnel carriers ran four one two minutes bus ran three , one carriers ran two , second , two right street 's dry cleaners appliance watch repair places one armored personnel carriers went way , say ran several , ran seven eyes bus book gayane , flower place new booth drove straight zinaida driver jumped dragged vehicle middle road set fire gayane also saw troops put bunch azerbaijanis bus take convoy baku many arrests zinaida neighbor , one hid us , could n't take , told wife leave running around courtyard looking armenians knew hiding azerbaijanis , saying going check azerbaijani families poor tayara got scared , started cry pleaded , said would remember forever saved children , could go \? gayane n't make us leave , said would anything , afraid zinaida told tayara would stay little longer night would return apartment husband came back said curfew imposed says , , owe us drink announced curfew bagirov first secretary communist party azerbaijan ssr television , said two people killed karabagh , nothing wrong , automobile windows broken , n't killings kept making statements , azerbaijani songs dances tayara turned tv way learned curfew calmed , crowd ran courtyard , large one neighbor told one armenian family , already killed , one left hid wardrobe stuck diana back bed gayane tayara went apartment see happened , found two bandits asked , tayara answered , came take something take want , 're gone zinaida yes , wanted get something us , least said , going , empty handed , naked , three children , nothing remains entire apartment short , calmed , crowd raced building , one across us n't know went gayane curfew effect gangs , many started warned would open fire soldiers n't know city , could n't get oriented , drove main streets , n't go city party committee asked people sumgait go show way zinaida tanks entered city night 29th gayane , mamma , tanks earlier , near city party committee , armenians midnight , march 1 , finally gotten sleep two nights , mamma said , get things together , sent buses us dressed entire time mamma went check came back us zinaida came back children tayara said vika alive well , guys come told hidden safe place believed n't believe ran tanks , roman sasha father , , , killed , mother sasha came asked girls surprised , know girls \? said knew girls neighbor went gaya diana seemed like taking forever went another neighbor came , anna , russian , dear , goodbye good luck diana put us bus captain gave order us taken city party committee bus would n't start , put us another one pouring rain diana imposed curfew many soldiers streets , clubs shields azerbaijanis attacked , many soldiers died threw paving stones huge rocks soldiers saw soldiers ran azerbaijanis tanks soldiers saw azerbaijanis violence people ran rage got scared hid mattress blanket , gaya mamma crawled wardrobe fighting right street near building blowing buses tanks , cars burning , many dead courtyard drove without looking see sidewalk street , drove , ones n't manage get way run tanks left evening , already dark three buses , one soldiers mamma ran said , get clothes , let 's go gaya wearing slippers , blue dress , old one wearing old jacket , old dress , slippers nothing else gaya , , slippers raining hard , street gave mamma old coat wearing short dress put ran got onto bus hungry , one soldiers yerevan gave carried one bus arms gave little glass remained vika 's , gave telephone number gayane bus soldier shield sitting every window ready anything took us city party committee , let us , took us city party committee building armed guard jammed people could n't breathe asked , us \? armenians \? answered yes surprised many armenians sumgait years lived n't know many armenians , 18 , 000 struck , never noticed going downstairs next day ran secretary komsomol vika 's plant , said vika alive well told mamma course calmed know , hard believe anything , faith everything gone n't believe completely zinaida n't believe heard kinds things arrived city party committee heard everything imaginable ! fear god saw many acquaintances , kissing asking children homes many people already knew pogrom apartment seen broken windows cried , saying n't know vika one woman said taken two daughters could n't find one slashed second said husband son murdered lived building 6 microdistrict killed husband , , son heard many things like already starting lose touch patience run dry waiting daughter later azerbaijani fellow came said , aunt , vika sent , 's alive well hidden safe place want 'll call speak went downstairs first floor called vika spoke , heard voice child managed survive hell started begging azerbaijani bring city party committee tried talk 'll bring wherever go , n't worry , 've looked better brother sister asked get brought calmed second day meeting member central committee communist party ussr , people started shouting one shouted , give son back ! , another yelled , daughter \? ! , third wanted husband bagirov , stood blinking , saying anything gayane asked wanted go , everyone shouted , russia ! honest frightened armenia , wild rumors though terrible dream , one wanted go armenia said could n't evacuate 18 , 000 people russia would meet everyone individually next day speak also said today going go look apartments march 3 went military barracks village taken care military sent special flights children right , yerevan , moscow one woman left moscow letter zinaida worst truly behind us everything passed , pain remain whole lives cannot forgotten circumstances , children , grandchildren forget answer died \? mothers , sisters , brother , sons daughters \? bear responsibility \? wash away blood \? someone made answer , severely , effect people us pleased n't yet , live , armenia , protected , issue n't resolved would like stay armenia , homeland , armenian people united invincible armenians wo n't scattered throughout soviet union , world , 're together wo n't happen mother three children , woman , sister , ask armenians united happened sumgait never happen homeland request helped obtaining apartment getting jobs children work good armenia n't able , let children 's possible , 'll work good armenia land forefathers grandfathers great grandfathers lived , later people dispersed like mother , land bore us wife , protect us , want one thing people never see children saw , children , armenia , never see anything like may 28 , 1988 yerevan reference 1 sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan , volume , eyewitness accounts , edited samuel shahmuradian , forward yelena bonner , 1990 , published aristide caratzas , ny , pages 187 203 david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
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\) wollongong pathway access \( 2 05 higher \) disk space 2 mbytes 5 1 4 1 2 mbyte 3 1 2 1 44 mbyte floppy needed features mit compliant age extensions dos ms windows passive , telnet , rsh , rexec , xdmcp startup modes motif , openlook , decwindows support virtual screen support international keyboard support full font library snf format bdf snf font compiler complete documentation support update service dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos xoftware tiga dos vendor age logic , inc pacific heights blvd san diego , ca tel \( 619 \) 455 8600 , \( 619 \) 565 fax \( 619 \) 597 email sales age com bert tel \( 619 \) 455 8600 \( ext 104 \) email bert age com , age ! bert ucsd edu price 495 00 tcp ip 595 00 latest version cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 512 kbytes operating system dos 3 0 higher mouse 2 3 button mouse ms compatible driver graphics texas instruments based graphics accelerator tiga 2 0 higher whith dram ethernet card compatible network software network software 3com 3 open tcp \( 1 2 higher \) dec pathworks tcp ip \( 1 1 higher \) ftp pc tcp \( 2 05 higher \) novell lan workplace \( 4 01 higher \) sun pc nfs \( 3 5 higher \) wollongong pathway access \( 2 05 higher \) disk space 2 mbytes 5 1 4 1 2 mbyte 3 1 2 1 44 mbyte floppy needed features mit compliant age extensions dos ms windows passive , telnet , rsh , rexec , xdmcp startup modes motif , openlook , decwindows support virtual screen support international keyboard support full font library snf format bdf snf font compiler complete documentation support update service optimized tiga graphics accelerators dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos dos microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows desqview x vendor melinda quarterdeck office systems , inc 150 boulevard santa monica , ca 90405 tel \( 310 \) 392 fax \( 310 \) 399 price 275 latest version 1 0 cpu 386sx higher \( 286 version available \) memory 4 mbytes recommended operating system pc ms dos 3 0 higher dr dos 6 higher mouse ms compatible pointing device graphics ega vga super vga 8514 256 color ati 18800 28800 \( 800x600 \) c \( \) c \( 1024x768 \) tseng et3000 \( 800x600 \) tseng et4000 \( 1024x768 \) genoa 6400 \( 800x600 \) wd \( 640x480 \) wd90c00 \( 640x480 \) \( 800x600 \) revisions headland vega \( \) headland \( 1024x768 \) ethernet card network software disk space 40 mbyte hard drive features incorporates x desqview multi tasking dos environment adds graphical 3d look feel desqview gives users choice window managers \( look feels \) provides growth path character mode dos industry standard graphical user interfaces runs regular dos applications runs dos extended applications display dos applications within graphical windows dos applications x clients either locally remotely provides simple port applications x systems desqview x vice versa gives developers choice application appearances , based toolkit chosen supports toolkits provide features required developers push buttons , scrollbars , pop dialogue boxes , etc run dos text ms windows graphics programs locally remotely adobe type manager scalable fonts scalable dos windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows excursion windows vendor digital equipment corporation maynard , massachusetts price latest version 1 0 cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes operating system dos ms windows 3 0 later mouse ms windows supported mouse graphics ms windows supported card ethernet card network software decnet pathworks dos tcp ip pathworks dos \( tcp ip \) tcp ip pc tcp ftp software , inc tcp ip 3com tcp demand protocol architecture disk space 7 15 mbytes hard desk 3 5 720 5 25 1 2 mbyte floppy drive features seperate application windows x displayed x server excursion setup utility installing excursion ms windows control provides easy way start x applications customize environment online help ability cut paste text graphics x ms windows ability compile new fonts ability redefine keys keyboard personal password security access excursion three button mouse emulation microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows exodus ms windows vendor white pine software , inc 40 simon street , suite 201 nashua , hn 3043 tel \( 603 \) 886 fax \( 603 \) 886 email com applelink price 449 latest version cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes \( 4 mbytes recommended \) operating system dos ms windows 3 0 higher mouse recommended graphics ega , vga , svga , ethernet card cards network software disk space features x11r4 color monochrome x screen support including 24bit truecolor backing store save options full xdmcp support access control support online help 3 button mouse emulation text graphics transfers ms windows macintosh microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows hcl exceed w vendor hummingbird communications ltd john street , unit 4 , ontario , canada 5g3 tel \( 416 \) 470 1203 fax \( 416 \) 470 1207 price 595 1 copy 536 2 4 copies 476 5 9 copies 417 10 copies latest version cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes recommended operating system dos ms windows version 3 \( standard 386 enhanced modes \) mouse ms compatible pointing device graphics ega , vga , vga ethernet card compatible networking product choose network software disk space features makes full use 8514 high resolution graphics cards redesigned ms windows \( implementation mit x \) copy paste x windows ms windows interactive configuration utility full interactive support font naming alias schemes font compiler log file host generated messages backing store save virtual screen support seven start methods full support european keyboards font , host access rgb databases 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mbyte 3 1 2 1 44 mbyte needed features x11r5 integrated rsh rexec displayed results auto start xdmcp rsh rexec easy additional session start panning supports motif , open look , decwindows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows x vendor computer systems ltd cheshire house , castle street , cheshire , england , tel corporation 108 whispering pines drive , suite 115 scotts valley , california tel \( 408 \) 438 , \( 800 \) 359 fax \( 408 \) 438 price latest version cpu memory operating system dos ms windows mouse graphics ethernet card network software rs 232 direct connections , rs 232 modem connections , , beame whiteside tcp ip , link tcp ip dos , ftp pc tcp , hp arpa services dos , ibm aix access dos users , icl \( int 5b \) , locus pci , locus tcp ip dos , ms lan manager unix , ms lan manager unix v2 1 , ncr token ring , novell lan workplace dos , sco xenix net , sun pc nfs , ungermann bass net one , ungermann one \( \) , wollongong pathway access dos , wollongong win tcp dos , 3 com 3 open tcp disk space features provides character server character applications emulation dec vt100 , dec vt220 , dec , sco unix xenix console , x open ansi , interactive unix console , unix console automatically invokes x server x client selected passive , telnet , rsh , rexec , xdmcp startup modes supported full x11r4 font library provided standard windows format bdf windows compiler copy paste text available single iconic desktop microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows pc xview vendor network computing devices inc pc sw gemini drive beaverton , tel \( 800 \) 800 , \( 503 \) 641 2200 fax \( 503 \) 643 also 15 ncd technical sales offices around united states international offices price pc xview windows 445 00 1 1780 00 5 annual maintenance 150 00 1 450 00 5 update 125 00 1 375 00 5 latest version 3 1 cpu 286 , 386 \( 386 recommended \) memory 2 mbytes \( 4 mbytes recommended \) operating system ms dos pc dos 3 0 higher ms windows 3 0 3 1 windows nt mouse recommended needed graphics compatible ms windows ethernet card network software needed tcp ip decnet disk space 7 mbytes \( 10 mbytes recommended \) features runs ms windows applications alongside x clients cut paste x clients ms windows applications using windows clipboard full support x11r4 features , including shape extension loads graphics processing host computers runs standard enhanced modes ms windows manages x clients standard remote window manager ms windows full x11 fonts provided , including fonts sun open windows decwindows windows based compiler converts bitmap description format bdf fonts ms windows format \( \) fonts windows based file transfer program prints files remote host local printer built client starter windows based installation configuration support network interfaces easy installation procedures x display manager control protocol \( xdmcp \) support support multiple tcp ip network packages comprehensive well organized user 's guide graphics cut paste virtual screen support support xremote protocol \( developed ncd \) microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows vista exceed vendor control data corporation vista distributing computing largo drive west suite 250 , md tel \( 301 \) 808 price vista exceed w latest version cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes ms windows server operating system dos 3 0 higher ms windows 3 0 mouse 2 3 button ms compatible mouse ms windows supported mouse graphics ega , vga , svga supported ms windows ethernet card supported tcp ip transports listed network software pc tcp network software dos ftp software inc pc nfs sun microsystems , inc win tcp dos group , inc pathway access dos group , inc lan workplace tcp ip transport system novell excelan 3 open tcp 3com corporation hp arpa services hewlett packard corporation net one tcp pc ungermann bass , inc telnet package beame whiteside software ltd disk space hard disk features may 16 mbytes available client processing emulates 3 button mouse 2 button mouse full interactive support x font names schemes locally modify keyboard mapping microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows x11 vendor inference machines , inc computer products division east avenue anaheim , ca tel \( 714 \) 978 6201 \( 714 \) 978 fax \( 714 \) 939 price latest version cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 640 kbytes base memory 2 mbytes extended memory operating system ms dos 3 1 later ms windows 3 0 later mouse graphics graphics card supports ms windows ega vga resolution , better , recommended cga \( color graphics adapter \) compaq portable iii portable 386 plasma display ega high resolution color display ega whith low resolution color display hercules high resolution monochrome display ibm 8514 display olivetti monochrome pvc display olivetti display high resolution monochrome viking monochrome vga \( video graphics array \) ethernet card also compatible excelan , 3com , ungermann bass , western digital , , 's x pac , others network software either excelan 's tcp ip driver set ftp inc pc tcp driver set \( included x11 \) disk space least 2 5 mbytes storage capacity available x11 software , excluding optional x fonts use x fonts supplied x11 , total 5 5 mbytes required features concurrent ms dos x windows operation concurrent x windows telnet operation cut paste utility , ftp utility font compiler user developed fonts telnet ftp utilities included compatible following ftp software programs , operated ms windows ftp , file transfer protocol client , file transfer protocol server , network file system \( nfs \) ping , network test , telnet virtual terminal client microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows x one vendor 1485 saratoga avenue san jose , ca tel \( 800 \) 426 2230 7 30 5 00 pst , \( 408 \) 466 1919 fax \( 408 \) 446 0666 uunet ! ! sales price \( free demo copies \) latest version cpu 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes operating system dos 3 1 higher ms windows mouse 2 3 button mouse graphics vga super vga tiga vga boards s3 chip set ethernet card network software 's tcp ip included disk space features x11r4 screen setup builtin tcp ip supports local clients telnet vt100 window , setup window , rsh window , local window manager dos windows versions one product hot key dos 90 days telephone technical support microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows xvision vendor limited white pine xvision 57 lane exodus windows leeds 40 simon street , suite 201 united kingdom nashua , hn 3043 tel \( \) tel \( 603 \) 886 44 532 fax \( 603 \) 886 fax \( \) com 44 532 applelink co uk price 449 00 1 users 9100 00 30 users 1800 00 5 users 00 40 users 3600 00 10 users 00 50 users 00 20 users educational discounts available adding user least 10 installed 275 00 xremote support per pc bundled 95 00 upgrade 150 00 full documentation 60 00 evaluation copy 60 00 latest version 4 1 cpu 286 , 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes \( 4 mbytes recommended \) operating system dos 3 0 later ms windows 3 0 later mouse recommended required graphics ms windows compatible graphics ethernet card network software ftp pc tcp excelan lan workplace dos locus tcp ip dos ungermann bass net one tcp pc wollongong win tcp dos beame whiteside tcp ip sun pc nfs hp lan manager \( arpa services dos \) 3com 3 open disk space 5 1 4 inch high density 3 1 2 inch high density features copy paste x ms windows use host window manager allow ms windows control x clients support color classes \( , grayscale , staticcolor , pseudocolor , truecolor directcolor \) several user options performance enhancement x11 release 5 server fonts server extensions including xdmcp icccm compliant x clients may also use ms windows fonts easy configuration system via dialog boxes provides functionality three button mouse support international keyboards supported windows host access control network aware setup line help iconic control panel configuring xvision dynamic server \( xvision runs tests pc install time see best draw display \) support ncd xremote , decnet , shape extension , 24 bit color , ms windows font managers , color classes , rsh , rexec microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows xoftware vendor age logic , inc pacific heights blvd san diego , ca tel \( 619 \) 455 8600 , \( 619 \) 565 fax \( 619 \) 597 email sales age com bert tel \( 619 \) 455 8600 \( ext 104 \) email bert age com , age ! bert ucsd edu price 495 00 tcp ip 595 00 latest version cpu 386 , 486 memory 2 mbytes extended operating system dos 3 1 higher windows 3 0 higher mouse ms windows compatible mouse graphics card ms windows driver ethernet card network software beame whiteside tcp ip \( 2 2 higher \) ftp pc tcp \( 2 05 higher \) dec pathworks \( 4 0 higher \) hp arpa services \( 2 1 higher \) novell lan workplace \( 4 01 higher \) sun pc nfs \( 3 5 higher \) ungermann bass net one tcp \( 16 5 higher \) wollongong pathway access \( 4 1 1 higher \) wollongong win tcp \( 1 1 higher \) 3com 3 open tcp \( 1 2 higher \) disk space 2 mbytes 5 1 4 1 2 mbyte 3 1 2 1 44 mbyte floppy needed features mit compliant age extensions context sensitive line help system cut paste x ms windows start x applications ms windows icons single multiple window modes ms window manager used x applications virtual screen 32 , 767 32 , 767 passive , telnet , rsh , rexec , xdmcp startup modes backing store save motif , openlook , decwindows support full font library format bdf ms windows font compiler log file optionally saves system messages tutorial x window system microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows microsoft windows os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 ibm x windows os 2 vendor ibm solutions center voice 1 800 ibm call fax 1 303 440 price 150 plus 200 ibm tcp ip os 2 \( required \) latest version version 1 2 1 part number \( x windows \) \( tcp ip \) cpu 386sx higher memory 6 mbytes recommended \( 4 minimum \) operating system ibm os 2 2 0 higher mouse os 2 compatible pointing device graphics ega , vga , super vga , 8514 , xga , os 2 supported card ethernet card compatible os 2 \( ndis \) network software ibm tcp ip \( required \) disk space 80 mbyte hard drive features incorporates x os 2 advanced pc operating system provides full x11r4 server , x font library , x font compiler , x client utilities runs another object workplace shell \( \) desktop cut paste os 2 , dos , windows applications running os 2 full tcp ip implementation including ftp , telnet , , ping , finger , slip , rsh , remote printing , bootp , vt100 220 , many modules available , including nfs , programmer 's toolkit \( includes kerberos , rpc , dpi , ncs , ftp api , sockets api , api \) , os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 os 2 macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh exodus vendor white pine software , inc 40 simon street , suite 201 nashua , hn 3043 tel \( 603 \) 886 fax \( 603 \) 886 email com applelink price 295 latest version 3 0 cpu macintosh computers exodus ii runs macintosh computers 68020 68030 processor floating point co processor memory 2 mbytes operating system version 6 0 later version 6 0 3 later plan use communications toolbox network connections mouse graphics ethernet card network software tcp ip mactcp apple computer , inc \( part \) tcp ip lan workplace novell , inc \( formerly host access \) decnet software systems , inc \( special version distributed part \) decnet community mac distributed everex , inc decnet decnet macintosh \( part pathworks digital equipment corporation \) adsp pathworks distributed digital equipment corporation appletalk disk space features supports multifinder ux , clients server run macintosh macintosh operating system , clients run another computer conforms macintosh human interface guidelines user standard macintosh pull menus functions macintosh program macintosh operating system handles macintosh events use normal macintosh environment macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macx vendor apple computer , inc cupertino , ca 95014 tel \( 408 \) 996 1010 171 576 apple dealer \( , , etc \) price macx order c \? \? macx manual set order b \? \? macx 1 1 7 update product order \? \? mac x x11 site license order c \? \? latest version 1 2 cpu macintosh memory 2 mbytes operating system system software 6 0 5 later mouse graphics 1 bit 8 bit graphics ethernet card network software localtalk , ethernet disk space least two floppy disks 6 0 5 later 3 5 mbytes hard disk tor 7 0 features x11 release 4 server icccm compatible cut paste text graphics macintosh x11 shape extension \( including shaped windows macintosh desktop \) optional built icccm compliant window manager built bdf font compiler built standard colormaps built window managers support system software version 7 0 support multiple monitors copy paste text graphics macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh macintosh amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga unknown vendor price latest version cpu memory operating system mouse graphics ethernet card network software disk space features amiga 3000 machines offer x server open look tools libraries full svr4 implementation amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga 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restricted 640x480 , 800x600 , noninterlaced 256 16m 1280x1024 , 1600x1280 noninterlaced 256 16m ethernet card commodore network software commodore tcp ip decnet ethernet serial connections , local disk space 7 14 mbytes features contains x11r4 clients , fonts , etc amiga xpr uses standard amiga printer device technology supports 50 different types printers black white color r4 monochrome color servers optional programmer 's toolkit includes header files , libraries , sample programs optional mwm window manager optional toolkits widgets motif , xview , hp amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga amiga atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari atari x tos window server x tos window server color vendor x software michael x tos division 8 w germany tel 49 fax 49 email xsoft uucp price x tos window server \( tos computers \) dm 1 , 00 x tos window server color \( tos computers \) dm 1 , 498 00 option 030 \( 68030 68040 processors \) dm 98 00 x tos window server color option 030 option pex b overseas order handling dm 100 00 none ec european order handling dm 50 00 latest version 502 cpu atari mega st , ste , tt 68000 68040 memory 2 mbytes \( 4 mbytes recommended \) operating system tos 1 4 higher mouse atari mouse graphics x tos window server monochrome , monochrome \( tt , \) x tos window server color monochrome , monochrome \( tt , \) color color color color ethernet card atari card \( mega vme bus \) \( mega vme bus \) end enclosure peter j mckinney pm860605 longs lance colostate edu laboratory fluid mechanics wind engineering program civil engineering department colorado state university
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danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) subject christian morality nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 33 article eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes article ousrvr oulu fi , kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote mean \? learn must accept n't know something , right learn must accept something n't know , \? way prefer learn unwise merely swallow everything read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn \( tm \) helped daily problems , would accept , since ca n't know whether true \? one asks swallow everything , fact jesus warns let ask question beleive learn history class , matter anything school mean 's people told n't want swallow others say right \? right way get sceptical heart say given sincere effort attitude seem must trust , go church participate 's activities ever willing die believed \? branch dividians believed trusted much became impossible turn back reality advocating total irreversible brainwashing dan
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 21 article edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) writes 're topic books , anyone else noticed paine 's age reason hard find 've wanting pick copy , bad enough mail order 've noticed though none bookstores go seem carry thought supposed classic 's deal \? local used book store second largest west coast , could n't find copy guess atheists hold bibles much esteem theists bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
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galen picea cfnr colostate edu \( galen watts \) subject rf communications link nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate edu organization college natural resources , state univ lines 20 article blumenow 7 underdog ee wits ac za blumenow underdog ee wits ac za \( warren blumenow \) writes design rf link distance 250 're using standard rs232 waves \( square pulses \) waves carrier wave link bidirectional would appreciate advice type techniques antennas use frequency carrier \? considered using two tones , one 1 another 0 \? high rs 232 data rate \? use one carrier freq \? considered hiring rf data transmission consultant \? curious , galen watts , kf0yj
subject vouchers sale must sell koutd hiramb hiram edu \( douglas kou \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hiramb hiram edu lines 59 items sale 3d camera takes good picture , never used came wide angle flesh , carring case , film , instruction video four lens created 3d effect regular 35mm film jewelry came package additional gift vacation voucher voucher good two rt airfare users get special hotel rate 27 per person per night meals , ground transfer , hotel tax included las vegas , reno , orlando voucher provides one rt airfare , hotel accomodation 3 days 2 nights meals , ground transfer , hotel tax included voucher good 3 locations , ca n't travel 3 places cancun , mexico voucher provides one rt airfare , hotel accomodation 3 days 2 nights meals ground transfer , hotel tax included usual asking 500 best offer paid 697 whole package late get refund would sell 500 whole package details could provided request wish sell whole package looking vacation vouchers , n't care sell camera higher price interested camera , could treat vacation vouchers gift might receive letter mail box says selected part least one five awards trust , would get exactly package one award given away n't bother even call back , really interested , could get cheaper price could receive package within week \( waited three months get first final packages \) also , would ask credit card number pay interest credit card company spend could get cheaper price interested , please reply soon posible really wish get make offer , confortable offer , would send package u p next day morning details could given wish please contact koutd hirama hiram edu douglas kou hiram college e mail address koutd hirama hiram edu
leo bsuvc bsu edu subject america 's team \? organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 52 article kingoz camelot , kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes well , officially 's braves least started winning still , officially \? , \? receive label \? , without doubt , america 's team cubs \? well , guess america loves underdogs every year , matter talent predictions , never \( close never possible \) win anything years , losing mounted , america fallen love perennial losers cubs fans chicago teams worldwide cubs fans worldwide teams division combined aura excitement surrounds cubs beginning season like one else \( including ws champs \) must eternal hope year 've got talent 're good start 've got pitching \( hitting , whatever strong point time \) 's cubs eventually win ws \? god knows since 's long , could come time , could another 85 years finally win , start winning consistently , cubs remain america 's underdogs cubs team orin bradley u i'm really jester disguise ! absolutely correct braves fans nothing bunch correct wrong , 4 5 years ago couldnt give away ticket see braves play would bet next paycheck 80 called braves fans living outside georgia present time name 3 players 1988 season hand , ask cubs fan living anywhere united states name 3 players given year 80 probably could granted , fact team wins brings people ball park , mean title america 's team reason considered america 's team ted turner little tv station broadcasts across nation 'll consider toronto america 's team braves go reds ! chris leo bsuvc bsu edu want life woman love , woman care kids hopefully two never meet
bdm cs rit edu \( brendan mckay \) subject israeli terrorism nntp posting host virginia organization rochester institute technology , rochester , ny article amoss shuldig cs huji ac il amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) writes eggertj moses atc mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) writes exactly , reminiscent assassination count bernadotte , un 1948 israeli war independence killed israelis seems successful negotiating cease fire , would worked israel , compared continued war operation done small jewish fraction state even existed , far remember , jews saying killed israelis plain wrong n't israel time look facts first , post second bernadotte assassinated september 1948 lehi orders three commanders \( one yitzhak shamir \) hard evidence complicity israeli government despite effort un organizations \( us intelligence , swedish government \) find however great fuss made apparent lack zeal israeli government track killers lehi man actually pulled trigger later became personal friend david ben gurion best published account english ilan , bernadotte palestine , 1948 \( macmillan , 1989 \) amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) brendan
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dan coyote trw com \( dan \) subject duo price reduction \? organization trw , inc lines 13 article senator bedfellow mit edu , cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) wrote someone mentioned ago duos scheduled 10 18 price reduction , according 'newsbytes' definite \? anyone know take effect \? 'newsbytes' \? local la stores already reduced prices 200 duo configurations \( although apple dropped list price 310 \) dan
pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi \( pasi petri , , , sig , \) subject program manager two questions originator pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi nntp posting host kaarne cs tut fi reply pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi organization tampere university technology , dep computer science lines 16 article axion uucp , wefiii axion uucp \( warren e iii \) 1993apr22 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us \( gerry swetsky \) writes \( 2 \) set short cut key return program manager \? know ctl esc , esc , 'd rather set avoid task list get back p alt f1 might try recorder make micro n't amazing \? \? \) seriously , add program manager startup group define shortcut works zi
mzhao magnus acs ohio state edu \( min zhao \) subject cheap hard drives pc xt nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 16 original ibm 10mb harddisks sale actually seagate 's st412 , mfm , full height , ibm logo black face plate disk checked formatted dos 6 0 doubled 20mb dblspace stacker desire original ibm foam fitted anti static bags sure ever used , drive sent good working order 30 plus shipping cost , \( 5 \) , one old ibm xt pcs , ! 's cheaper floppy drive !
organization penn state university rfm psuvm psu edu subject moon image weather sat image 1993apr30 unocal com netcom com lines 10 article netcom com , netcom com \( william e \) says brighten dark part cv043015 gif viewer see two objects near upper left part moon one actually weather satellite moon bill objects \? ufos \? \? \? \?
theo walt caps maine edu \( theo \) subject data paging info wanted organization utexas mail news gateway lines 19 nntp posting host cs utexas edu hello , i'm looking information data sent paging transmitter would go building device decode paging data \( like pager \) feed though rs232 port i'm planning different paging messages different software keep amount hardware need anyone know chips \( motorola \? \) good decoding numeric paging data \( stuffing rs232 port \( basically baud rate fine ! \) \? \( already radio reciever headphone level output audio signal paging tower , 'd interested anything know , including type radio recievers use ! \) thanks advance ! theo email theo walt caps maine edu
kfrank magnus acs ohio state edu \( kevin frank \) subject area code edmonton , alberta , canada nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 13 believe , phone books , current information include area code edmonton alberta would hostile towards others asking simple questions would rather appear stupid open nd remove doubt mark twain assult someone get 5 years hockey , 5 minutes great sport \? ! kevin frank kfrank magnus acs ohio state edu
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 25 alleg edu \( jim \) writes nevai mps ohio state edu \( paul nevai \) writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? well monitor consistently largest power drain electric bill looking computer set , especially large \( 16 greater \) color monitor generally leave mac time , except occasional crash , turn monitor night leave office also turn dark , since reason screen saver running picture monitor 's tube actually , thought macs restarted day really \? makes think \? q700 file server office last 2 months , straight , n't problems \( note also keep monitor file server turned i'm actually working server \) hades
v063kcbp ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( mitch \) subject low emission monitors besides nec \? distribution na organization university buffalo lines 34 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov \( les hartzman \) writes anyone else make low radiation emission monitors besides nec \? compare necs \( quality emission wise \) \? les hartzman hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov jet propulsion laboratory 238 528 \( 818 \) 354 4800 oak grove dr , pasadena , ca 91109 les , right working mpr ii certified \( swedish standards low emissions \) hitachi 15 monitor 's 1024x768 , 72hz res , got good write image quality recent \( feb \? \) issue pc magazine far know , little fully matches nec image quality \( least according mags ca n't tell difference two ! \) , think nec low emissions one two types 's vlf \( low frequency \) elf \( think 's extremely low frequency \) mpr ii standards set strict limits many , nec included according one article read \( get bunch mags 's hard remember ! \) , claim low emissions specifically mpr ii compliant mpr ii certified control one , usually vlf , ignore , nec probably higher overall image quality \( hear rated best close best \) , low emissions hitachi like image quality , know may discerning good luck ! mitch v063kcbp ubvms cc buffalo edu \( oh yeah got hitachi 15 insight 499 \)
alford novavax uucp \( steven alford \) subject gif wpg tiff converter keywords gif , convert organization nova university , fort lauderdale , fl lines 16 looking available program would convert gif files formats usable dos based software wordperfect presentations \( handle wpg tiff , among others \) suggestions would appreciated thank much time help steve alford novavax nova edu steve alford , nova university college avenue , ft lauderdale , fl uucp gatech ! , ucf cs ! novavax ! alford internet alford novavax nova edu
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject peace talks resume nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 59 article 1993apr27 dazixco ingr com nstramer dazixco ingr com writes peace talks resume today israel offer palestinians new proposals israel radio , kol yisrael , reports today 's washington bilateral peace talks , following lasted four months according report , israel expected offer palestinians new proposals regarding authority palestinian executive council , general elections , control land human rights issues territories israel express readiness give palestinians control land previously offered according radio report , one estimate israel give palestinians control much two thirds administered lands , well broad authority water issues israel seek promote offer hold elections territories hopes strengthening position palestinian delegation peace negotiations according israel radio , israeli delegation bilateral talks palestinians offer greater responsibilities palestinian executive council allowing certain legislative capabilities , without making symbol palestinian sovereignty u secretary state warren christopher invited heads gathering tonight first event since madrid conference head american team bilateral peace talks , edward , said tonight 's gathering meant demonstrate u ' active role peace process hope , hope , begin involve issues concerns related peace process differing opinions , certainly , aspects clear share hope resolution tensions conflict happen run defense side , need constantly involve name calling us regularly confused 's reactive posting spend post applying labels presenting slogans presenting honest views react , thing , , agree \( sort \) peace process needed \? particular points mentioned article \? israel \( supposedly \) going propose good \? go far \? far enough \? n't agree peace process needed , \? tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject islamic genocide organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 49 distribution world nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 6e1 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes false dichotomy claimed killing religiously motivated , i'm saying 's wrong i'm saying every killing religiously motivate , spelled detail killings say religously motivated \? example , would claim recent assassination four catholic construction workers connection ira probably religously motivated time writing , think someone claims current violence motivated religion reaching would call someone writes killings n religously motivated \? 'd say motivated primitive notion revenge , misguided patriotism otherwise , 'd wonder come mainland catholics killed mainland protestants , southern catholics killed southern protestants , take away plausible causes bar religion , violence diminishes markedly gee , \? , 's possible argue religion past major contributing factor violence present , n't know evidence i'm enough historian debate given aim ira take northern ireland country particular church written constitution , restriction civil rights dictated church , fail see word past appropriate country also different official language written constitution \( vice versa \) maybe 're motivated love irish poetry argument fallacious , jon 's worth , agree say ireland , frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
math mun ca \( michael \) subject print file print file later \? organization mathematics department , memorial university newfoundland lines 30 's situation home , ms word windows printer work , windows postscript printer , ms word , configure machine home use postscript printer , use print file option , produces nice postscript file , bring work question print postscript file print manager work \? , example , select print file manager , treats postscript text file , gives several pages postscript gibberish know open dos window copy file ps com1 work , seems well applications run rather slowly often pause 10 's seconds ought way passing postscript file print manager , , ca n't find mention documentation anyone know \? michael memorial university newfoundland math mun ca
eng umd edu \( howard \) subject please refresh internet access compuserve organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 12 nntp posting host delta eng umd edu article syshtg gsusgi1 gsu edu syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu \( tom gillman \) writes cheong solomon technet sg \( scstech admin \) writes sometime ago discussions gaining compuserve access thru internet seem misplace articles someone please refresh \( site \) telnet gain access send message compuserve user via internet e mail enter mail mode address receiver follows 313 compuserve com number receiver 's compuserve number users number contains comma anything period , change period
kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc nntp posting host sora icd ab com organization allen bradley company , inc lines 137 mark 'mark' sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu , representing students increased beverage access \( \) , writes oh \? smoke flames start three different places \? particular , three different places apv 's \? well , saw start one place tank punched hole wall , withdrew flames came spread quickly direction 30 mph wind blowing saw diagram usa today yesterday , fires started 2 3 holes tanks made terrible , negligent accident government start fire , n't people trying get compound \? maybe could n't 've often people could get burned alive upstairs 2 story house fire , happens time sealed rooms , trying avoid gas , n't know fire surrounded \? remember israelis hiding sealed rooms desert storm avoid gas bearing \? , mark , really college student \? maybe ought stop worrying increased beverage access start clearing head ever heard questioning authority \? besides oh , n't know i'm even bothering ok , 'll buy seem totally clueless find tremendously chilling many people seem eager believe murderous , heavily armed religious cult , despite much evidence contrary n't murderous 'd never harmed even threatened anybody attacked force using military weapons hardware far evidence , talking \? everything feds said 've retracted practically soon get questioned detail maybe increased beverage access buddies , sitting around bar stuff like shoulda killed 'em 51 days ago n't feel way , 're probably one people still saying klinton give guy chance , n't even know 's gonna ! \( \) thought experiment suppose exact thing happened bush administration would answer \? would still prefer believe cultists \? \( , n't really expect response challenge \) problem , n't questions scare us minds apparently developed answer yes ! f cking heartbeat ! thought experiment would mindlessly knees mouth open , sucking anything feds said bush president \? , comeback \? \( ok , go ahead , say read lips , new taxes p \) , mr clinton elected , people believe campaign promisses would respected got office um , n't politicians elected \? great degree bush broke one promise , maybe two \( taxes guns \) held accountable course , took better part 4 years slick 's office 101 days 's broken lots imagine 'll also held accountable \( see campaign buttons abc anybody clinton \) particular reason gummint decided slaughter eighty people \? , like , plain evil , \? wake one day , stretch yawn , throw dart map united states figure oppress day \? i'm eager know hmmm apparently got nobody 's claiming anything stupid mistake bunch incompetent public employees normally n't get kind scrutiny mess far picked davidians , knows \? maybe figured nobody 'd care politically incorrect group bunch fundies texas prairie maybe figured 'd go run bds religious services \( reason feds gave timing raid \) rather running resistance maybe knew bds n't anywhere near violent spin doctors trying tell public maybe afraid try kind thing maybe atf 's budget approval seem favor something dramatic whenever case course , reasoning n't matter , , time , people paying attention bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader \? mean stupid n't stop thinking tomorrow diabolical laughter \? 've ever heard hillary 's diabolical giggle waffle man seems lost sense humor look good cape \? n't know , never seen one probably looks fat faced , like suit saw rose garden day , could n't get much starting look like teddy kennedy things must investigated first n't worry , things investigated go back beer , 've heard lot people compare bill clinton jimmy carter , 'd like go record saying n't think 's fair jimmy carter veteran , personal character even though ca n't agree carter 's policies , always believed telling truth , best understood ca n't say fat cat ken whitehead \( kdw odin icd ab com \)
atfurman cup portal com \( \) subject law retribution organization portal system \( tm \) appserv eng sun com lines 15 steve hix writes nowhere net guy post \? mention , anywhere makes sense \? ! course perhaps put hyperspace bypass get alan n't blame voted libertarian atfurman cup portal com \( 800 \) 682 1776 information
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization clark university lines 23 nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand agree nick 's big deal long games \? want watch baseball , 's much baseball watch yes , baseball includes space plays well plays suspect lot complaining long games , especially 's coming tv people , something advertising probably time wasted middle inning , say batter stepping box fiddle gloves , pitcher walking around behind mound trying collect thoughts , could otherwise sold advertising time heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject dx50 vs dx266 originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 54 article usenet ins cwru edu , ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) writes article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) subject dx50 vs dx266 date wed apr 21 19 55 12 1993 would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 thanks lot , matt end file , press return quit yes realy simple , one makes mother board runs bus 33mhz sam bus \? \? \? think several reasons 50mhz motherboards harder get right 50mhz need fast l2 cache 12 good idea 50mhz needs slowed make compliant vesa bus 66mhz dx2 chips faster lot things good , fast l2 cache dx2 66 going faster dx50 \? dx50 course ! gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject mary 's assumption organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 13 dave bernard \( david bernard central sun com \) wrote elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity phrase su en blessed among women nothing indicate exceptional unique status , woman mary blessed adding word fair reading text good reasons church 's mary , cannot depend verse revdak netcom com
cats ucsc edu \( \) subject seen lobby , us organization university california , santa cruz lines 29 distribution nntp posting host ws 2 ucsc edu yuma acns colostate edu ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes article 1993apr21 163929 21149 eff org charles gross acg eff org writes certainly , way cool internet powers organization , act way , action appropriate long kept informed events , anyone bboard make call action hopefully , 're strong enough community act calls realize little , i'm glad eff working loop issues , n't underestimate potential net political action adam speak second motion favor \? sounds great would something like done \? start news group discussions things like lobbying get non computer geeks pissed \? matthew cline read letters editor colum time response article teen suicide people cats ucsc edu aware dangers killing
gmr com \( brian \) subject wings ogrodnick organization electronic data systems lines 10 distribution world reply gmr com nntp posting host ct gmr com article andrew cmu edu , mike andrew cmu edu \( \) writes n't seen mention ogrodnick yet box scores anyone know 's playing \? mike 's , n't injured played well put lineup end season murray sit somebody , though red wings n't played well first game , may second murray juggle players wings dominating toronto like \?
fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) subject people become atheists \? organization university michigan hospitals lines 24 article may 7 01 09 44 1993 14556 athos rutgers edu maxwell c muir , muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu writes faith \( want know , feel faith intellectually dishonest \) 'd appreciate support statement i'm sure really makes sense ambiguity religious beliefs , unwillingness take pascal 's wager , 've heard frequently exactly pascal 's wager \? sound broken \? n't know point mother 's treatment upset , see inconsistencies various religions i'm sure constitutes broken ness certainly disillusionment sapienza department technology services university michigan hospitals surgery fil sapienza med umich edu
rna nl subject second best \? organization g r lines 25 answers please e mail , since groups header carried hi ! personally , like nextstep much even realise much burden ordinary x windows programming also like objective c better like c , sometimes restrictions instance sometimes ms windows x i'm looking pointers tools environments come close nextstep , etc also , environs support rapid prototyping \( like ib \) without producing spaghetti code soon want real work maybe windows version kit ui objects \? interviews \( exactly , n't know kind lost touch world started nextstep \) thanks , nerd tel \( 31 \) 35 n't know going , road take talmud \( \? \) , rephrased lewis carroll , alice
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject gamma ray bursters positional stuff organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 24 belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes actually , advisor , another classmate mine , talking day putting one detector one pluto satellites realized satellite alone carrying something like 200 pounds eq well , batse detector needs lead shielding protect , 1 alone weighs 200 pounds decided jeremy talking single batse component , whole thing \? could propose batse probe launch two three ion drive various planetary trajectories resolution 're spaced apart could probably cheaply eject solar system enough flybys patience things would start slow , slowly get better better resolution phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject wife wants convertible organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 38 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , twetzel ucs indiana edu \( tom wetzel \) says article usenet ins cwru edu andrew spencer , aas7 po cwru edu writes well , actually , n't , 'll pretend real author query name tacked \) wife informed wants convertible next car recommend consider targa top convertible , drew made point well wife 20s convertible thing triumphs mid 40s , still appreciate open air prefer targa types much less wind noise , objects papers blowing around , foreign objects getting car one still almost advantages convertible tom 's mentioned , personally prefer moonroof sunroof top targa thing well simply n't like cloth tops , extra insurance , color matching alot companies chose convertible , 'd \) mazda rx7 ii like way look 'd black , color matched black top \( look good ! \) b \) vw job matching colors also , last year ! item c \) mustang gt droptop look ok know n't help , thought 'd anyway \) good luck wife \( \) drew
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( jeff \) subject barbecued foods health risk organization university waterloo lines 18 hi , thought 'd add something conversation girlfriend used work lab studying different natural carcinogens mentioned effect barbecued food basically , said eat barbecued foods \( natural carcinogen \) slight carcinogenic properties cancel jeff undergrad math uwaterloo ca jeff undergrad math uwaterloo ca
jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 17 1993apr17 sun0 urz uni heidelberg de jason ab20 larc nasa gov titan ucs umass edu reply jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov nntp posting host ab20 larc nasa gov reply quilty titan ucs umass edu 's message 19 apr 1993 13 31 28 0400 article titan ucs umass edu quilty titan ucs umass edu \( lulu lotus \) writes think 's talking kinsey came 10 statistic used heavily gay groups push political agenda kinsey 's work often accused lacking strong scientific backbone really must defend man alfred poster really taken seriously , since 's rants still , n't mistakenly criticize man really need able support without insults article 're calling rants actually absolutely none opinions series factual statements jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject breach organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 21 article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov , pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes mr cramer , still waiting response requests regarding information claim respectfully request either provide information withdraw various assertions make item number 1 previous posting , stated found overwhelming support child molestation soc motss \( finally \) responded one read complete file postings soc motss put bluntly , support assertion short , claim bogus thank confirming postings defense adults sex children , choose claim n't say anything sort 's point discussing , clearly liar , without morals sort , prepared justify child molestation clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 26 article may 12 04 27 47 1993 athos rutgers edu gchin ssf eng sun com writes let say life , death , resurrection jesus christ central christianity personally believe jesus christ died , part christian body believers still human n't know , homosexual heterosexual , strive follow jesus world dying needs hear jesus christ working together christians spread gospel \? let salute gary chin speaking gospel source life follow example , accept priorities christ commands us , matters law justice mercy good faith , brother sister christ , attend person humility charity may , end , agree siblings often n't least talk michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
boell hpcc01 corp hp com \( donald p boell \) subject rockies 5 8 organization hp corporate notes server lines 37 name pos ab h 2b 3b hr rbi rs sb e avg galarraga 1b 54 23 6 2 15 6 1 426 sheaffer c 3 1 333 boston 28 9 3 8 321 cole cf 43 13 1 1 2 13 8 302 hayes 3b 46 13 2 3 11 7 2 3 283 bichette rf 39 10 1 3 10 8 1 256 e young 2b 51 13 2 1 1 7 12 9 3 255 3b 8 2 1 250 murphy 8 2 2 250 clark lf 37 9 3 1 1 3 3 1 243 c 45 10 2 1 3 3 1 222 ss 7 1 1 143 ss 35 5 1 5 3 4 143 pitchers p 24 1 1 g young 3 2 1 000 totals 431 112 19 4 10 61 66 21 14 260 name l r gs cg ip h r er k bb era w l l 6 4 3 1 3 8 1 50 0 0 0 ashby r 2 0 11 12 3 3 5 9 2 45 0 0 0 wayne l 3 7 4 1 1 3 2 2 45 0 1 0 r 4 1 29 27 11 10 15 10 3 10 3 1 0 r 10 8 4 4 12 7 3 60 0 0 0 smith r 3 0 16 3 22 8 8 3 5 4 41 1 2 0 blair r 8 9 6 4 5 3 4 50 0 0 0 l 2 0 9 3 15 7 5 7 6 4 82 1 1 0 henry l 2 0 12 7 14 9 8 5 5 5 68 0 2 0 reed r 3 7 8 7 7 2 3 17 18 0 0 0 holmes r 2 3 8 10 9 3 4 34 71 0 1 0 totals 13 1 112 131 69 60 63 62 4 82 5 8 0
jpsb neosoft com \( jim shirreffs \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 lines 12 fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? james dusek james , could determined stay together compound matter happened perhaps fire accidental , db simply refused leave died fighting fire \? knows wait see find hard believe would agree burn ! horrible way go jim shirreffs
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 28 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu ran time last reply string n't know sent never heard anyone return something 30 grace problem midwest micro may thought n't know suggested correct problem sounded n't give much chance correct things fact ppi worked okay setup nothing user ca n't understand instruction commands configure system find things like fact ec led looks like connected another ec modem , n't realy say tells ec turned , modem think led nothing light hype product like bet someone took home extra last year giving ppi modems pc magazine award year \( 12 \) saw test bench could go hours end problems found ppi modems try control even go 6 weeks took ppi credit card back modems received back go one go talking parent co co hayes 'll say hope like new modem maybe someone understand setup modem get one sent back , maybe good friend mine hope ! gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject would happen export restrictions violated \? nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 13 article apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes point , kind trouble could get ignored itar sold program international customers anyway \? i'm sure established government prevent sending algorithm abroad nsa seems intimidation far n't try \? \) course could distribute algorithm widely free screw big time \( would approach \) \) smg
steve wpd sgi com \( uncle connecticut \) subject car ! \? organization silicon graphics , inc mountain view , ca lines 17 ctron news ctron com smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) writes article 1993apr21 reed edu , rseymour reed edu \( robert seymour \) writes article 1993apr20 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu \( 's thing \) writes called bricklin manufactured 70s engines ford , n't bricklin six cylinder \? confusing delorean \? sure delorean v8 delorean used renault volvo v6 rear engine configuration bricklin use iron front engine rear drive configuration steve valin steve sgi com 've brain washed ca n't thing
allbery wariat org \( allbery \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? reply allbery wariat org \( allbery \) organization , public access uni site lines 13 quoted 1993may13 moepi open de bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) back days x11 1 analyse xterm code cursor implemented drawing rectangle around character n't seem changed 'til sources could add blinking cursor via xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead mildly ridiculous , though \( see also desqview x , dos windows \) really want xterm wake every half second whack server bitblt \? brandon
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject sex , uniforms , good taste organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 47 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr23 news cs brandeis edu , st902415 pip cc brandeis edu writes article network ucsd edu , king cogsci ucsd edu \( jonathan king \) writes reminds yet bucs cards game whitey herzog 's last year cards manager karen watching game tv , barely reason camera kept dwelling white uniform filling worst truly horrible remember game 7 1988 nlcs , dodgers defeated mets , ugh foo boo fat stomach tom lasorda came running field celebration \? yuck ! ! ! ! ! ! arms flew , keeping time rolling set 9 , flew around cozy confines , like white ran disgusting sight could n't watch mets series , watch fat stomach lasorda roll around dodger ! made memorable karen eventually said , would rather sleep jar bill 's spit look whitey herzog one uniforms like short , fat men , grunt , curse , spit lot , whitey 's certainly man former wfan host pete franklin , white rat 's true , emphasis appearance ballplayers tight uniforms works player actually looking charlie hough 's tight white shirts sort makes decide , hmmm , n't want eat lunch today tomorrow anytime soon al first became mets' gm , asked intended help redesign mets' uniforms change image particular , asked orange blue racing stripe runs sides uniforms said 's much favor keeping 're 're sexy sid fernandez , tight fitting uniform , racing stripe denote speed lard kevin mcreynolds , diving fly ball man o' war , baby ! pat howell well , never mind nothing could tight n't make uniform sizes small \) adam wishes contribute something interesting r b levin jason miller doctor guy frank tanana 1 0 , 1 50
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject netanyahu stoned organization artificial intelligence lab lines 6 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply cy779 cleveland freenet edu 's message 20 may 1993 21 13 06 gmt anas omran since jews way , find leader follow ! anas , much netanyahu paying write \?
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization sgi lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article afp fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes hope islamic bank something bcci , ripped many small depositors among muslim community uk elsewhere grow , childish propagandist example islamically owned operated bank someone bet n't real islamic owners operators \? islamic bank bank operates according rules islam regard banking done explicitly bank case bcci saying islamic bank something bcci would care explain said hope islamic bank something bcci , called childish propagandist jon
vlsi uwaterloo ca \( \) subject koresh 's \? organization university waterloo distribution na lines 15 dear netters wondering accident koresh heard different explanations without explanation opinions believes , please kindly tell 1 \) koresh talking \? \( message \) 2 \) main reason government went war koresh \? \( say due tax payment , \) thanks advance historical explanation
houts ehs uiuc edu \( todd houts \) subject new study gay percentage keywords mow , homosexual , march , millions , percentage organization university illinois urbana lines 28 article apr 20 10 27 01 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes would n't worry much , though starting find politically homosexuals really \( non relevant stuff deleted \) coming saturday going wind tremendous egg face , submit , perhaps 35 , 000 queers show washington promising crowds millions ones look like act queer nation , guy working next 's really going play middle america wrong participated last national march washington \( mow \) rights \( oct 11 , 1987 \) 750 , 000 people n't alot pissing us time big issue aids crisis , n't slapped around quite bad time aids , equal rights , military mow planning years whereas last one pulled together relatively short time last mow largest ever c bet going exceed long shot truly believe exceed 1 0 million goal mow committee always set event todd houts email houts uiuc edu houts ehs uiuc edu message day 5 days til mow
phy sunysb edu \( greg \) subject mini vacation package sale organization suny stony brook lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host physics sunysb edu x news reader vms news 1 20 following cancun mini vacation voucher sale voucher entitles holder one airfare three days two nights one two adults cancun \( choice ! \) , mexico 15 months use voucher reservations must made 60 days advance holiday peak periods excluded flights generally depart mid week , usually tuesdays 70 major airports additional air transportation additional person made available 50 00 fully deposit required sent along voucher express june 12 , 1993 get reservation request form one year travel package n't include meals , hotel taxes voucher offered express , balboa blvd , ste 130 , , ca approximate retail value voucher cited 1 , 100 00 voucher fully transferable best offer takes ! greg phy sunysb edu
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject \( inimitable rushdie \) organization decision support inc lines 31 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes interchange deleted post mine also illustrates simply reactionary hates book n't go way avoid upsetting n't actually read \? sorry , irony remains reiterate nth time also n't agree k 's fatwa , support censorship point original thread show rushdie particularly due sympathy hold religion high esteem n't enjoy seeing things slander \( like story satanic verses \( opposed rushdie 's tsv \) \) played amusement although n't agree fatwa , apparently n't think rushdie killed book , yet think due sympathy threat furthermore base reaction solely fact wrote particular well known story true might reflect poorly absolute truth religion yet , opinion formed without recourse actually looking see story used context , accepting face value widespread propaganda book contains author 's motivations come forward recommend another book touches \( presumably plays \) religious historical material find overall presentation neutral ! jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject freedom u reply ab4z virginia edu 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 00 56 19 gmt organization dept computer science , brown university 1993apr27 virginia edu lines 22 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes actually law david irving hopefully found guilty due denial holocaust 's bad useless centre policy research n't canada 'd set nice precedent law applies cyberspace steve well canada wrong us aclu would made sure repressive laws found unconstitutional think church n't find galileo 's perception universe offensive bull shit reason world ca n't say taking views analogous kkk 's organization wrong reason morality may legislated allow theft , murder , rape allow hateful sppech whose purpose stir anger violence harry
dan key3 ae su oz au \( daniel newman \) subject lindbergh moon \( give 1g \) reply dan key3 ae su oz au \( daniel newman \) organization aeronautical engineering , university sydney lines 35 nntp posting host key3 ae su oz au article pgf srl03 cacs usl edu pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes gnb baby bby com au \( gregory n bond \) writes article kxf news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes voyages discovery could give examples privately funded ones \? much cook 's later exploration privately funded , joseph banks among others \( eg resolution earlier endeavour \) 's voyage galapagos substantially privately funded owners british whaling vessels chancellor privately funded london merchant companies voyages list almost endless funding eighty percent motivated potential profit , ten percent potential glory ten percent desire advance sum human knowledge dan newman aeronautical engineering university sydney sydney nsw 2050 australia dan key3 ae su oz au \( daniel newman \) path key3 ae su oz au ! dan newsgroups sci space subject expires references sender reply dan key3 ae su oz au \( daniel newman \) distribution world organization aeronautical engineering , sydney university keywords
ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) subject ceci 's rosicrucian adventure \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 79 reply ch981 cleveland freenet edu \( tony alicea \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hello ceci name tony comments rosicrucian adventure hereby state claiming denying membership order , fraternity etc without word rosicrucian name organization claim done homework \) intended friendly article times seems different , 's lack writing skills showing , nothing else heck , english may second language ! \( maybe \) proceed , interesting experience rosicrucians , least rosicrucians sort last sunday let 's start name rosicrucian took long time come conclusion difference member rosicrucian body rosicrucian say met 'rosicrucians' mean members group calls rosicrucian least observation suggests \) 'd prefer would stated front lectorium rosicrucianum , may confused , readers newsgroup , rosicrucian order amorc based \( usa jurisdiction \) san jose , ca rc org members \( last time looked \) course , members necessarily mean best anyway , lectorium rosicrucianum claims descend \( least part \) gold und \( golden rosy cross \) , 18th century two golden rosy cross , first \( \) , second masonic , history subject complete chapter \) 'll trust tell lecture class whatever presented amorc , unlikely would impression , e , 'd probably positive impression likely negative one , imho first guy also said r mystical christian order , base teachings teachings \( english \? \) thirteenth century , instead r , lectorium rosicrucianum \) curious know 3 rc \( usa \) claim non sectarian christian sect directly challenged medieval catholic church flourished 12th century , century saw religious zeal expressed crusades also growing catholic church worldly ways largely response church 's took root , first northern italy , throughout south france made bit suspicious , way first said contained something divine , could find way back divinity , could n't become divine persons currently , worked really hard would reach eternal bliss n't see nothing fundamentally wrong us containing something divine yes n't like phrases like eternal bliss either ! \) people moment thought referring madison ave \) \( madison avenue new york city influential \( read \) commercial advertising produced usa \) peace , tony btw , read intro letters lrc mail free charge
lmsc5 lmsc lockheed com subject lmsc lockheed com organization lockheed missiles space company , inc lines 87 original article colorado daily recently reprinted wall street journal 's article paxton quigley , including nefarious little paragraph journal tacked onto end recieving much assistance various p g type folks , wrote letter editor criticizing last paragraph , surprise , surprise , surprise , published text follows colorado daily , btw , university colorado \( boulder \) student \( think \) newspaper exactly big coup , every little bit , guess \( title thing changed added \) gun stats daily recently reprinted article wall street journal , primarily concerned paxton quigley , author armed female article , turn , cites misleading statistic originally reported new england journal medicine article states , study found gun home 43 times likely used kill owner , spouse , friend , child kill intruder often quoted statistic , misleading reasons , outlined study gives impression , gun , likelihood successfully use defend less gun turned study , however , fails take account cases law abiding citizen uses gun thwart crime , without actually killing study actually refers rather would include friendly thug shows like , every month , second grandmother social security check possibly acquaintance , hardly friend nejm study based immediate dis position cases fails take account cases originally filed homicides later ruled self defense especially considering small sample size \( 396 \) , taking events account sub effect 43 1 ratio quoted gary kleck gives us slightly dif statistic gun 33 times likely used , successfully , private citizen aggressor kill anyone , per sons defending aggression using gun fare better resist means , offer resistance statistics available fbi agencies also show gun 245 times likely used non criminal defend criminal threat used commit criminal homicide , 535 times likely used defend criminal threat accidentally kill anybody , 50 times likely defend criminal threat used commit suicide well keep mind nearly anything proved uncritical quotation statistics one consider carefully questions asked gathering data one draw rate conclusion f taylor cu department chemistry biochemistry revolution , assasination , , cobalt 60 , , cia , nsa , shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send something even ca n't read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block
yang earlham edu subject accelerated mac plus problems organization earlham college , richmond , indiana lines 12 hello recently accelerated mac plus \( 25mhz accelerator \) ca n't get mac boot hard disk boots fine floppy , mount hard disk using scsi probe , cannot get boot hard drive installed new driver , n't think problem poses rather large problem 4 meg ram , need run mathematica , requires 5 meg hoping use system 7 virtual memory could run mathematica however , ca n't run system 7 floppy , ca n't get enough ram suggestions \? thanks time yang earlham edu
altheimm nextnet csus edu \( murray altheim \) subject selling powerbook 100s organization california state university sacramento lines 23 article senator bedfellow mit edu cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) writes pb 100 might selling soon upgrade duo graduation , take advantage educational discount recently bought sold pb 100 , kind price get \? info config pb100 appreciated thanks cam daly cam , several months ago bought 4 40 pb100 external floppy , appletalk remote access , kensington case ac adapter complete documentation almost new condition , used us 900 considered good buy cosy little baby \) murray murray altheim ils ont de , d'un , instructional consultant la d'un , la face csu , sacramento comme un rouge altheimm csus edu un , ou pres eau qui
bclarke galaxy gov bc ca subject none organization bc systems corporation lines 11 thinking going motorcycle tour new zealand november january tour companies , notably beach tours anyone done let know experiences , good bad \? thanks bruce clarke b c environment e mail bclarke galaxy gov bc ca
u7911093 cc nctu edu tw \( erik wang \) subject make mpeg sound \? organization national chiao tung university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 20 hello , install one wav driver pc speaker , install mpeg 2 0 phoenix oulu fi pub incoming 0 zip windows 3 1 load one mpeg file make sound type wav mpeg , always say error load one mpeg file wav file \( wav \) , select sound type wav , normal error , still ca n't hear sound \? fix number ini \? thankx help internet address u7911093 cc nctu edu tw english name erik wang chinese name wang national chiao tung university , taiwan , r c
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 78 barney resson writes counts , apocrapha falls short glory god quote unger 's bible dictionary apocrapha 1 abound historical geographical inaccuracies anachronisms parts bible taken literally e psalms saying earth move , implication earth flat four corners , etc bible written teach salvation , history science 2 teach doctrines false foster practices variance sacred scripture ones \? dead intercession saints \? \( taught 2 maccabees , sirach , tobit \) 3 resort literary types display subject matter styling keeping sacred scripture subjective judgement falling short judgement , infallible rather church jesus christ \( see 1 timothy 3 15 \) 4 lack distinctive elements give genuine scripture divine character , prophetic power poetic religious feeling subjective feelings proof anything one persons feelings problem argument lies assumption hebrew canon included apocrapha first place , n't sixteenth century luther co threw jewish council mentioned previously n't accept , reformation protestants good historical precedence actions jerome translated apocrapha protest , literally dead included catholic canon written time , hebrew canon fixed jamnia , palestine , 90 ad 60 years foundation one , holy , catholic , apostolic church furthermore , jerome count neither church , pope , ecumenical council , council general , church private individual , learned admittedly , subject opinion deuterocanon , , pope damsus , council carthage , tradition fathers , clearly shows , pointed previous post view words warn everyone hears words prophecy book anyone adds anything , god add plagues described book anyone takes away book prophecy , god take away share tree life holy city \( rev 22 18 9 \) suggest take heed last part statement , want take sense taking , taking away book cause lose heaven also noteworthy consider jesus' attitude argument pharisees ot canon \( john 10 31 6 \) , explained followers road emmaus law , prophets psalms referred ot division scripture \( luke 24 44 \) , well luke 11 51 taking genesis chronicles \( jewish order would say genesis malachi \) scripture order canon unimportant , content matters none jesus' deuterocanon , throughout canon remeber , completely undisputed books , ezra , nehemiah , esther , , song songs , job , etc quoted new testament , taken prejudicial inspired andy byler
r1328 vmcms csuohio edu subject gun buy back organization csu lines 95 article 1993apr22 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs hopefully impact accidental shootings \( especially youths \) , domestic disputes gun available heat emotion anger , maybe keep guns stolen later used street level crime gives idea gun buyback programs impact things \? evidence , please \? please n't saying joe making point tha evidence effect gun buyback programs hopefully effect may prevent injuries deaths one types common incidents 're research associate urban child research , perhaps comment us ratio accidental gun death rate rate accidental death single causes \? follow perhaps sort justification amount effort anti gunners spend trying convince country accidental gun related death among children u serious problem firearms fifth leading cause unintentional deaths among children ages 14 n't understand ratio accidental deaths important guns n't kill many children car accidents difference severity 1 , 000 deaths 10 , 000 deaths \? trying use accidental gun related deaths among children justification gun control needs convinced accidental gun deaths children serious problem \? assumed humane person would concerned 10 year old got hold parents gun bedroom drawer accidently blew away one friends anything , gun buyback programs symbolic offerings community sense , think might little good please explain think symbolic offerings good point , gun buyback programs almost always run police departments might \( stress might \) little \( stress little \) good giving people impression police attempting respond interpersonal gun violence unique way overall , thought made clear think gun buyback programs useful know vast majority guns used youths brought school youths daily basis \( 135 , 000 youths \) obtained easily quickly , personal friend , often borrowed parent without knowledge suggest go back look wherever saw statistics suspect 'll find look carefully 135 , 000 number students estimated carried weapon \( necessarily gun \) school least past year , number students carry gun school daily well joe , suggest talk center prevent handgun violence centers disease control look carefully see greatly underestimate presence guns lives youths cphv reports 135 , 000 youth bring guns school daily 400 , 000 bring guns school least year cdc estimates 1 0f 25 high school students carried gun school least 1990 cdc also says 1 2 million elementary aged , latch key children \( kids come home school empty house \) , access guns home california schools reported 200 increase student gun 1986 1990 , 40 increase 1988 1990 florida reported 61 percent increase gun incidents schools 1986 87 amd 1987 88 statistics thus willing follow man claimed messiah \( got news folks , big cheese crazy planet presently , would carrying gun holding children danger \) holding kids \? time reality check , son kids children people inside believed forces evil outside waiting kill would send children door believed \? okay , maybe worded wrong dad meant put children situation \( fortified compound \) harm could come act messiah opinion i'm saying koresh control children directly , would hope whatever messiah would let innocent children die claimed messiah people followed , tell parents free children instead letting burn alive \? thanks reality check joe , real rodney
rodger lonestar org \( rodger b \) subject 05 28 93 organization rodger b , plano , tx usa lines 97 weekly dialogue local pastor news day carl \( gene \) wilkes compuserve , 600 internet 600 compuserve com thoughts last week supreme court refused without comment hear appeal rensselaer , , school officials desiring distribution bibles public schools \( , 5 21 \) lower court banned local , international bible distribution group , passing bibles fifth graders aclu 's barry lynn quoted saying court 's action protected religious public schools also said schools must serve students faiths none schools bazaar rival religious groups compete converts , according lynn several , men responsible putting bibles hospitals hotels , members church tell similar stories allowed distribute bibles around schools , cannot go inside schools tell mild harassment parents want children receiving bible stranger willing continue work distance , find school 's position somewhat understand rationally logically court 's position , see sense fairness groups , hand , become nihilism \? plurality turn position \? see couple one pass condoms bibles schools think one moment seeking religious schools , countries like russia , way , practiced religious past seventy years making bible part public school curriculum st petersburg march , church worked trained 100 public school teachers teach bible , government requested hundreds ! recently heard medical doctor president gideon chapter moscow tell eagerly invited university moscow distribute bibles students given class time explain contents remember seeing photograph doctor holding bible speaking university students standing statue lenin , 's ironic ! admit two things 1 \) society , faiths equal footing country founded 2 \) allow every group school grounds could create bazaar like atmosphere city must work inclusive religions provide hearing 3 \) know said two vitality religious faith dependent upon whether public arena acknowledges valid however knew coming believe , distribution bible law abiding , caring adults schools signals culture 's movement away singular base individuals nation make moral ethical decisions think \? mail box \( let know want print letter name \) good column time teen sexuality agree moral education home , homes n't kinds morals want taught one family worked smoked dope primary family activity another acted like incest ok families , matter , often lot 'd like believe john , mc john , agree home ai n't used , homes place learn value based sexuality still believe church come play know , families speak may come church seek information , help need church building believe youth families mentioned probably disregard value free information school , \( \) note views column necessarily reflect views members church , legacy drive baptist church , plano , tx
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization stratus computer , inc lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr21 r node hub org , ndallen r node hub org \( nigel allen \) writes press release white house number one , limit long federal authorities could maintain limited resources quality intensity coverage experts lucky brought situation prompt resolution turn things amateurs might needed parts country god help us cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) organization university illinois urbana lines 37 prb access digex net \( pat \) writes given described hst seemed smt , given mass discovery mission tight enough spacewalking carefully constrained edo pallets , spare suits , extra mmu 's someone actually verified mass predominant constraint mission \? seem assuming without giving supporting evidence \? quick test goldins philosophjy faster cheaper , better build real fast space tug , handle boost hst using clean cryo fuels , get ready hst mission pat , would slower , expensive worse slower shuttle mission scheduled go december 's less eight months away way could build new hardware , retrain eva 's time expensive proposal still requires shuttle everything going fire oms addition , 've added significant extra cost new piece complex hardware according gao report , two currently planned missions could use vehicle hst axaf since axaf since scaled back hst rely shuttle , n't seem need vehicle josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject greek authorities deny even existence turkish minority reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 133 article 1993may11 news uiowa edu mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) writes thousand ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! yup yes thousand left today years turkey expect better , , take back , n't treaty exchange turkish greek minorities \( 1923 \) left greek minority turkiye , except thousand greeks istanbul turkiye longer obstacle ' although material basis greek policy longer visible , residue , seems unite , greeks came asia minor , greeks originally islands sea live numerous aegean islands residue also recognizable contemporary greek government far greek turkish wars find funny informed turk like forgot mention balkan wars 1912 1923 chance greece lost every war conducted solely greece turkiye morea 1821 , 1897 98 , anatolia 1922 ottoman empire lost world war , british landed 1919 200 , 000 greek army izmir exterminate people turkiye suffering severe case amnesia \? tired defeated turks rose , formed national force leadership mustafa kemal , august 30 , 1922 annihilated bulk greek army turkiye longer obstacle ' besides , greece lost every war conducted solely greece turkiye morea 1821 , 1897 98 , anatolia 1922 especially 1922 greek defeat , referred 'the tragedy greeks , effects greek mind behaviour find curious historian like forgot wars demolished ottoman empire 1912 1913 love people n't read spout myths evidence greeks 1912 1913 \? guess , busy greek efforts jewish population salonica culminated 1912 1913 jews survived assaults southeastern europe fled particularly salonica , whose jewish population increased substantially result , 28 , 000 1876 90 , 000 , half total population , though even increased persecution local greeks led many jews flee elsewhere ottoman empire , particularly great port izmir despite pressure ottomans foreign jews alike , ritual murders assaults christians jews went greek efforts jewish population salonica culminated 1912 1913 , following greek conquest salonica first balkan war , many jews , either killed leaving though greece obligated post world war treaties allow jews minorities use languages education practice religions without , law issued 1923 inhabitants working sunday , stimulating new jewish exodus intended 1932 1934 series anti semitic riots salonica , quarter , remaining jews lived , burned ground followed regulations requiring use greek prohibiting hebrew judea spanish jewish schools start made also land principal jewish cemetery salonica use new university order derive jews 47 killing driving large numbers jews , greeks left substantial greek majority city first time , starting salonica jewry way final nazis occupation greece starting 1941 salonica izmir course places refuge jewish refugees entering empire last century existence istanbul , edirne , parts anatolia received thousands jews refugees received helped government sultan thousands muslims accompanied flight similar persecutions wherever balkan christian states gained independence expanded russian conquest caucasus starting late eighteenth century , particularly war , combined independence movements southeastern europe caused much suffering flight among jews caused thousands helpless , ill , poverty stricken muslim refugees accompany ever shrinking boundaries ottoman empire , istanbul government struggling vainly house feed best could 1850 many 800 , 000 tatars , , muslims north east black sea entered anatolia alone , many 200 , 000 came next twenty years , 474 , 389 refugees entered 1876 1877 result ottoman wars russia balkan states , equal number gaining refuge european portions empire 47 robert , structure de la de la fin du , rh 534 \( 1980 \) , 391 92 vii , 762 joseph \( salonica \) aiu \( paris \) 2 , 12 may 1903 \( aiu archives c 43 \) 2775 , 10 january 1900 \( aiu archives c 41 \) , describing daily battles jewish greek children streets salonica , director ecole moise allatini , salonica , aiu \( paris \) , , 1 december 1909 \( aiu archives c 48 \) , describing greek attacks jews , jewish shops manufacturers , greek press campaigns leading blood libel attacks cohen , ecole moise allatini , salonica , aiu \( paris \) , 4 , 4 december 1912 \( aiu archives c 49 \) describes week terror followed greek army occupation salonica 1912 , soldiers jewish quarters destroying jewish synagogues , accompanied described local greek population local jews muslims , president aiu salonica , reported aiu \( paris \) , 3 , 25 july 1913 \( aiu archives c 51 \) 'it irregulars \( \) massacred , pillaged burned army soldiers , chief police , high civil officials also took active part horrors ' , moise \( salonica \) aiu \( paris \) \( 20 august 1913 \) \( aiu archives c 51 \) describes greek pillage jewish quarter night 18 19 august 1913 \( aiu alliance israelite universelle , paris \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
boyd gauss \( mickey boyd \) subject dump x window screen organization florida state university department mathematics x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 reply boyd math fsu edu lines 16 h j hong \( ev nctu edu tw \) wrote hi ! i'm looking tool dump x window screen image \? one help \? see xwd , xpr even better , grab ftp cs uwm edu makes use programs well , much nicer interface \( \) dump postscript , bitmaps , etc mickey boyd systems administrator florida state university mathematics department email boyd math fsu edu office \( 904 \) 644 pager \( 904 \) 657 6425
stan uucp \( stan \) subject seen lobby , us organization temple stan tbs world hq concord , mass , usa ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes second motion favor \? favor y'all newsletters taking addresses future , feel free put list
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject waco inside story \( ap \) \( atf burns \) organization chinet public access unix lines 62 ssd kodak com \( frank brown 726 \) writes ap story fri morning walls came tear gas filled air , cult leader david koresh sprang action left third floor bedroom began looking around house , making sure women children secure checking everyone gas masks properly within hours , compound became inferno nine branch davidians story , gleaned lawyers spoke six jailed charges include conspiracy murder day six said portable radio offered contact outside world since koresh 's right hand man , steve schneider , ripped compounds 's phone line fbi agents called dawn monday saying cults last chance come prepare get forced aw , gee , whose fault \? kept word dawn , tanks mount carmel compound , punching hours holes tear gas enter bd meanwhile proceeded daily routines strapped gas masks , women laundry others read bibles rooms 17 children , 10 , remained sides still , hard ignore happening around time tank rammed poorly constructed building shook violently cult members falling doors dear , dear could come hundreds gas canisters hurled armored vehicles filling air noxious fumes flying canisters frightening tanks least one man hit face dear , dear could come gas began filling air , driven heavy gusts wind coming windows holes tanks made could n't gotten heavy wind blowing scattered throughout house , cult members made efforts gather fbi sent biggest weapon massive armored vehicle headed chamber , lined cinder blocks , authorities hoped find koresh schneider fire tear gas directly cult story government 's version fbi says cult members set fires three places six cult members , separate discussions lawyers , consistently gave versions odds fbi 's account say tank flattened barrel propane , spilling contents tank house , tipped lit lanterns , spitting flames ignited propane home used lumber , plywood , tacked together tar paper vulnerable building erupted nine bd 's escaped jumping windows others died groping sad , could come koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject ulf nntp posting host swanlake cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 27 drozinst db erau edu \( drozinski tim \) writes aluminum stick taken ulf 's head gonna solve problem violence sport hockey hell say guy goon justify , back mentality \? saying hurting player solve anyone 's problems new rules new referee system need instituted right , many real goons get away much , ref watching play \( supposed 've seen van hellemond , name , heads asses calls \) rather keeping eye behind play even linesmen able call penalties , would improvement unfortunately , way league heading ca n't fight , way retaliate someone cheap shot ref n't looking ulf brought high level players stuck past \( like neely \) prefer fights cheap shots disadvantage new system lets face , cheap shot \( like high sticking \) effective method easier hide refs , better chance causing injury , draw people fights way n't like , 's way league going way , rather good hit ulf last penguin devil game managed hit nj player face stick \( must legal hit , ulf clean player allowed things like \)
rmohns vax clarku edu subject challenge microsoft supporters organization clark university lines 33 previous article , jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) wrote posted came survey registered users , double checked friendly neighborhood marketing type found actually two surveys one randomly selected resellers , one randomly selected users 6 upgrade registered user database surveys showed 93 positive rating jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing translates 7 satisfied n't think 's awkward recursive deletion 's bugging people , certainly n't nice windows interfaces new dos accessories \( , , \) far 've noticed , 's doublespace crashes frankly , fairly high rates doublespace crashes 've heard surprises ! figured since os presumably aware doublespace , less likely crash \( unlike stacker , fools os gullible anyway \) dos 6 aware doublespace n't \? anyway , good job dos 5 , dos 6 good new users beware doublespace ! rob rmohns vax clarku edu rob mohns annoy rush limbaugh think
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject study study \? americans sexually repressed \? organization santa cruz lines 80 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 1993apr16 cs okstate edu , kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes , deduce figures \? lot less male homosexuals used men \( perhaps women \) honest used sexuality \? presumably , people polled mean , 1940s , men women much open homosexuality today \? want try one \? probably true today may much better gay population general mean , ignore study study , continue accept study \( kinsey 's \) obviously wrong \? studies \? cited , research shows many confuse survey study , big difference asking people outside polling booth adding numbers study easily gay suppose one big debates homosexuality whether 's type behavior learned one born way imho , likely explanation 's combination two based , besides warm fuzzy feelings \? base conclusion upon warm fuzzy feelings maybe stated educated opinion based upon studies involve genetics psychological influence lot types studies , n't \? try reading 's something ponder upon gay bashers ever considered homosexuals probably deem sexual orientation state affairs much intrinsic natural part life heterosexuals sexuality \? words , someone truly alcoholics share feeling , hit bottom crap statement comparison many people use sad stupid argument relationship alcoholics people 's sexual orientation except may find really drunk \( repressed released \) unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest nonsense simply true suppose waste time try tell understand study presents cite extrapolate anything , homosexuals would stop using government impose morality others \( antidiscrimination laws \) leave children people general would stop using irrational position oppress 's leave private lives , would support laws rules protect people form need look post see lack rational thought intelligent alone , would n't care least private get liberal notion proper role government tell peaceful people live , choice continue point homosexuality alternative lifestyle , sickness remember peaceful people necessarily right thing peaceful , tolerant , enlightened , educated , rational thinking people need
duncan \( nicholas duncan \) subject cherry help , nntp posting host organization mpr teltech ltd lines 49 article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca , golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes article mfpirbo00wbli1ispc andrew cmu edu william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like ass let know maybe i'm missing something complain cherry , wonder popular reply dick vitale john madden bobby knight joe howard john madden picks gary clark madden team lot , much better receivers much reasons cherry sings praises doug gilmour little guy heart yet one n't see string american posts saying john madden lost marbles dick vitale always promoting kid high school college outrageous statements americans expect canada would characters relation greatest passion hockey \? canadians similar americans culturally sports hockey , whereas americans football basketball baseball bowling gerald 'd like add think canadian hockey fans like kind hockey \( hockey promotes tv appearances \) kind think used get played old 6 team nhl 's kind old days , expansion , soviet series , gretzky even bobby orr , guys n't afraid take hit , nobody floated defensemen played defence cares probably never really existed , myth still around canada european game diminished people 's eyes personally , 'd like add get flamed , love fast paced european game think cherry bit idiot say missed living states , though entertaining , even end throwing popcorn screen 's stand misstatements 've made vice president dan quayle sam donaldson , 8 17 89 nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr ca
atmos washington edu \( neal johnson \) subject belfour roenick , playoff \? article order organization dept atmospheric sciences , university washington lines 8 nntp posting host order atmos washington edu belfour roenick done another disappearing act chips time \? saw looked like defense might carry along way playoffs well held st louis 17 shots game 2 lost looks like maybe keenan \( \) insight
cfb fc hp com \( charlie brett \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? nntp posting host hpfcmgw fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 15 michael covington \( mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \) wrote topic beaten death year ago concrete problem lead acid batteries often fail disuse \( charged long time \) , 's way concrete floor could cause problem ditto remote , say remote , possibility ground real cold \( \) battery might freeze split would probably freeze anyway \) charlie brett ft collins , co
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject comic book set sale z organization university florida , gainesville lines 118 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu selling following sets comics listed guide prices \( overstreet , comics values monthly wizard could n't find overstreet \) well price feel free ask single items sets , often extra copies items set comics near mint mint unless otherwise noted set titles guide price 1 adventure comics set \( vf nm unless noted \) 130 00 100 00 296 , 304 , 312 , 313 , 319 \( f vf \) 2 animal man set 46 00 30 00 animal man 35 38 , 41 animal man reprint 1 wonder woman 267 \( intro animal man \) 3 avengers set 21 00 9 00 avengers 263 , 272 , 300 , 306 , 324 , 329 avengers annual 15 , 18 , 19 4 fish police 22 50 9 00 fish police 3 7 , 9 5 green arrow 35 50 15 00 green arrow 1 9 , 12 , 47 51 6 infinity gauntlet 17 00 9 00 infinity gauntlet 1 3 7 legion super heroes 8 00 5 00 legion super heroes 294 legion super heroes \( 1989 \) 1 , 21 l e g n 29 , 30 8 lone wolf cub 22 00 15 00 lone wolf cub 5 10 , 18 , 19 , 21 23 9 omega men 23 00 15 00 omega men 3 , 10 omega men annual 1 , 2 10 21 00 10 00 1 12 11 ragman 9 00 5 00 ragman 1 5 12 retief 16 25 9 00 retief volume 1 \( mad dog \) 1 6 retief volume 2 \( adventure \) 1 retief c 13 silver blade 24 00 9 00 silver blade 1 12 16 slash 10 50 5 00 slash 1 6 17 sleepwalker 16 25 10 00 sleepwalker 1 , 4 13 18 star trek 30 00 20 00 star trek \( marvel \) 3 \( vg \) , 6 \( f \) , 10 \( vf \) star trek next generation \( mini \) 1 star trek next generation \( series \) 1 , 2 19 strange adventures \( vf nm unless noted \) 260 00 200 00 strange adventures 91 , 124 , 125 , 128 , 140 , 144 , 146 \( f vf \) , 147 \( g \) , 148 \( g \) , 150 , 152 , 166 , 169 , 171 , 174 , 205 \( f vf \) 20 superman 18 40 10 00 superman 2 , 4 , 7 , 53 superman annual 1 3 superman earth superman man steel 1 21 9 50 5 00 1 6 22 trouble girls 20 00 9 00 apache dick 1 3 trouble girls \( eternity \) 5 , 11 14 trouble girls \( \) 2 , 4 23 v vendetta 8 00 5 00 v vendetta 6 , 7 , 9 , 10 24 video jack 12 00 5 00 video jack 1 6 25 warlock infinity watch 19 00 10 00 warlock infinity watch 2 9 26 warriors 6 50 5 00 warriors 1 3 27 x terminators 7 25 5 00 x terminators 1 4 guarantee comic grading satisfaction satisfied grade 've assigned book , send back refund money minus shipping costs thousands comics , looking something particular , please let know might able help reserve right refuse offer geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
lds loral com \( thad \) subject autos dealer keywords buying car organization loral data systems distribution nj lines 26 article 1993apr22 porthos cc bellcore com prefect cc bellcore com \( lam , thanh \) writes got price quote 18 , 875 00 camry v6 w abs toyota dealer came back dealer two weeks sign purchase agreement told salesperson made error pricing walked dealer wonder kind practice common toyota dealers \? price quote written salesperson 's business card binding \? would comments similar experience written quote mailed us salesman one haggle toyota dealers camry w abs , leather , etc price seemed fair , went take offer , discovered certain extra cost items n't included original written quote would extra 1100 , spite fact written quote , said nothing could bottom line , quotes worthless appears toyota dealers think 've got superior auto n't deal walked , went bought new lh car \( eagle vision tsi \) n't regret one bit ! thad mail lds loral com
lindholm ucs ubc ca \( george lindholm \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization university computing services , ubc , canada lines 176 nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca article 123645 netnews upenn edu bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes , another false alarm , 'll certainly done next week message , real thing repeat , drill ! batten hatches , hide women , lock cows , xv 3 00 finally escaped cleaning cage morning overpowered , broke office door , fled lab last seen heading general direction export lcs mit edu nearly 30k per second found , answers name 'contrib xv 3 00 tar z' blast i'm vacation capital u waco , texas first patch \) following fixes problems imakefile files makes possible compile xv 3 00 solaris without use ucb stuff 1 1 1993 04 28 06 05 03 imakefile 1993 04 28 08 20 35 209 , 215 xcmap programs xv bggen xcmap ! defined \( havejpeg \) defined \( \) ifdef havejpeg 209 , 218 xcmap programs xv bggen xcmap ! ! echo ! echo remember 'make first \? ! echo defined \( havejpeg \) defined \( \) ifdef havejpeg 222 , 238 subdirs tiff endif define passcdebugflags \( \( subdirs \) \) \( \( \) \) endif echo echo remember 'make first \? echo echo building xv echo 225 , 236 subdirs tiff endif define passcdebugflags define \( \( subdirs \) \) endif echo building xv echo 259 , 267 srcs \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) dependtarget \( \) \( \( programs \) \) normalprogramtarget \( xv , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) normalprogramtarget \( bggen , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) 257 , 269 srcs \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \( programs \) \) dependtarget \( \) ifdef \( \( subdirs \) \) endif normalprogramtarget \( xv , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) normalprogramtarget \( bggen , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) 1 1 1993 04 28 08 33 13 xv h 1993 04 28 08 19 31 284 , 292 284 , 298 signal macros defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) define hold sig \( sigalrm \) define release sig \( 0 \) define pause sig sigpause \( 0 \) else define hold sig sigblock \( \( sigalrm \) \) define release sig sigblock \( 0 \) define pause sig sigpause \( 0 \) endif default folks 318 , 323 324 , 333 define random rand define srandom srand endif defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) define random \( \) rand \( \) define srandom \( x \) srand \( x \) endif 1 1 1993 04 28 06 09 50 xcmap c 1993 04 28 07 09 03 9 , 15 9 , 19 include files include stdio h defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) include string h else include strings h endif include ctype h include x11 h 1 1 1993 04 28 06 17 41 tiff imakefile 1993 04 28 08 53 34 49 , 59 49 , 69 tif compress imakefile g3states h mkg3states c t4 h rm g3states h cc traditional mkg3states cflags mkg3states c mkg3states g3states h rm g3states h else g3states h mkg3states c t4 h rm g3states h cc mkg3states cflags mkg3states c mkg3states g3states h rm g3states h endif depend g3states h clean rm mkg3states g3states h dependtarget \( \) george lindholm phone \( 604 \) 822 university computing services , ubc fax \( 604 \) 822 agricultural road , vancouver , b c , canada internet lindholm ucs ubc ca v6t bitnet
csm jhunix hcf jhu edu \( brian c \) subject best homeruns organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 7 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu brooks robinson 's last homerun ever \? 268 came 4 19 77 memorial stadium one two bottom 10th inning larry due , brooks pinch hit 3 2 pitch dave left field bleachers 6 5 win brian
sbanka vm temple edu subject two questions organization temple university lines 10 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 'd appreciate help anyone could give two questions brady bill news throughout 1992 actually happened congress \? bush veto \? , \? also , state virginia , believe , passed gun control bill 25 year think limits gun purchases one month correct \? bill number \? anyone \?
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject change name \? \? organization stratus computer , inc lines 43 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio , thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes i'm trying censor newsgroup , i'm trying give hints newsgroups n't belong alt conspiracy \? \? drop three balls ramp , roll direction pour blood sea , sharks converge miles around throw one , 200 depart natural processes mimic outward results conspiracy actual conspiracy required put government embarrassing situation , quickly covers ass , , completely natural waco looks batf fbi ca n't handle situations like looks way , understand 's first time instigated raids like recent one also ended long standoff , n't quite public one , n't kill quite many people maybe screwup make think long hard raiding manner probably way went reminds bomb beeing dropped house la helicopter \( whole block went flames , 5 died \) assume 're talking philadelphia n't conspiracy , maybe screwed \? \? \? 're fan conspiracies , time make batch popcorn screwup , 's time coverup cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
cs rmit oz au \( glenn jayaputera \) subject change cluster size organization rmit department computer science lines 5 wondering somebody could tell change cluster size ide drive normally norton 's mfm rll drives dunno ide glenn jayaputera
snail lsl co uk subject congruent corporation x motif windows nt organization laser scan ltd , cambridge lines 22 ok , many people emailed asking information congruent corporation 's product allows x motif unix applications function windows nt today sent telephone number kind person name sam \( 'd give better attribution , mail different application vms \( \) number call new york city \( 212 \) 431 5100 email address info congruent com product details know said 'd send email info , yet arrived get cheers folks ! snail lsl co uk washing one 's hands conflict powerful powerless means side powerful , neutral quote freire poster
marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) reply marc tanda isis org distribution na organization thibault friends lines 11 article 1993apr23 rick dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes smart warrior defeats enemy ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeats enemy open warfare battlefield warrior defeats enemy without using battlefield y'all got first two reversed judge roy bean
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject final solution gaza \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 18 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes basically three alternatives gaza 4 annex gaza egypt 5 annex gaza israel 6 maintain status quo 7 partition gaza jewish arab state n't support , felt like pointing way three solutions next time , maybe 'll see research adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
chein eng auburn edu \( \) subject electronic music software windows like new 70 nntp posting host wilbur eng auburn edu organization auburn university engineering distribution usa lines 29 received music software windows found needs midi sound card \( sound blaster pro preferred \) fantastic features show n't plan add sound card , putting sale 's listed 79 95 april issue windows magazine paid 84 95 total asking around 70 shipping included windows composer , sequencer \( tape deck \) , box one 's word processor music write edit \( cut , paste , move copy , etc \) notes symbols , play print composition 's graphical user interface works like multi track tape recorder 64 musical tracks arranged play , record , rewind , fast forward stop plays music midi compatible instrument piano , guitar , drum set , saxophone , clarinet , organ , many need musician use software line manual handy musicians , 's great writing music tedious aspect almost new \( one week old \) , unregistered 70 \( including shipping \) obo \( please reasonable \)
mayne pipe cs fsu edu \( bill mayne \) subject people become atheists \? reply mayne nu cs fsu edu organization florida state university computer science department lines 68 article may 9 05 40 51 1993 athos rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes christians also feel sense difference , however , associated weird always talk satan 'll excuse sound , everyone deal differences people understand atheist could hard christian sometimes hard comparable christianity main stream western culture experiences others remember like different christian told time different , fact members church really christians \( though others believed god n't bad atheists \) , small minority nothing compared atheist thing comparable would young child christian surrounded staunch atheists , including parents , actively persecute religious actual punishments , even worse , emotional blackmail would also whole mainstream society side maybe conditions could occured old soviet union country god pledge allegiance doubt even , children taught christians hence must support somewhere sympathy gays growing repressive environments hide sometimes first try deny part 've case rationality instead sexuality forced try repress way pressures different , course , chose beliefs saying choice , born necessity \? please , flames whether gay people choose lifestyle 's elsewhere newsgroup yes atheism born necessity intellectually honest person belief mostly response evidence wishes nothing could choose lie , silent true beliefs could choose believe god christianity could decide ordinary sky looks red still clear i'm equating went gays go however mistake assume everyone goes painful experiences broken happily made stronger , get past must say n't hurt experiences church friends n't become atheists hurt differently i'm sure understand sentence could explain \? without going details violating childhood friends suffice say religion guarantee person happy strong emotionally , repressive upbringing leave scars even , especially , n't get free doubt sane sincere person doubts feel need defend way much happier stronger closet end , someone eloquently put private email , experience liberation rather bill mayne
pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il ward subject long term human missions ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il \( ward paul \) organization weizmann institute science , computation center lines 17 article 1993apr28 edu rek siss81 \( robert kaye \) writes contributions space program regular society 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) n't think touting contributions good idea world war ii produced many many beneficial spinoffs eg radar , jet , rocket technology n't think anyone would argue world war ii , , good thing want people back space program must good thing paul
resinfo resinfo demon co uk \( resinfo \) subject investigating \? reply resinfo resinfo demon co uk organization demon lines 10 x mailer simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 19 \) resinfo \( research information \) currently seeking contact united kingdom researchers , amino acid \? resinfo regular subscriber sci med due excessive load data , limited ability monitor would therefore appreciated replies could sent direct resinfo resinfo demon co uk using ref mr
drozinst db erau edu \( drozinski tim \) subject ulf organization embry riddle aeronautical university , daytona beach , fl usa lines 20 nntp posting host lambda db erau edu william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes richard wernick writes stuff deleted bruins get meet pittsburgh near future , bet neely day sight watching ulf turtle like coward , worth almost much stanley cup stuff deleted much watch follow hockey \? pens bruins division next season , give plenty opportunity whine ulf say , i'm glad satisfied seeing ulf turtle substitute stanley cup , 's close bruins going come stanley cup tim drozinski drozinst db erau edu chew electric death , ! spaceman spiff
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject new study gay percentage organization university virginia lines 17 ah , ending discrimination fascism clayton cramer writes force people associate others , yes earth clayton , topic discussion us military , volunteer force realize ca n't stop knee , least use half clue greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
bd fluent dartmouth edu \( brice \) subject good reasons wave reply mbeaving bnr ca 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 18 45 30 gmt reply bd fluent dartmouth edu organization fluent inc , lebanon nh distribution na lines 7 mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) writes side i'm cage , numerous occasions slammed hand rolled window effort wave passing biker ow n't dwi thread \?
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 10 article lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) writes correction hard atheism faith yes faith like weak atheism benedikt
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject immaculate conception \? organization none lines 12 marida ignacio writes still , angel gabriel 's greetings hail mary , full grace , lord blessed art thou amongst women even mary confused greeting various explanations reaction angel 's greeting one angel getting , mother messiah knew , suffering gave moment 's pause
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject genuine admission genuine homosexual nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 15 article usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes must finally admit total truth central core insinuating kosher rectum always mark say nick go somewhere else yard crap tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
jacobs cerritos edu subject problem printing quark swii organization cerritos college , norwalk ca lines 15 got problem printing printing iivx 20 megs ram trying print quark file 2 fonts couple boxes 3 gradient fills two things happen get disk full error , ca n't find documented , also parts letters one gradient fills get cut happens text fill text different box ideas \? thanks help karl jacobs jacobs cerritos edu
kb jet uk \( kenneth \) subject roman bmp 01 response requests cool bitmaps posting one organization joint european torus distribution world lines 28 hello cliff many people internet \( like us \) pay every byte data passed subscribed news groups bitmaps large bitmaps cost us lot money special news groups bitmaps n't subscribe put bitmaps right place read one faq guides groups tell bitmaps thousands establishments like mine cost money limited budgets go away p flame \) p p distribution usa n't work ken kb jet uk \( 44 \) 235 fusion jet joint undertaking , abingdon energy , england 3ea \( far \) future disclaimer please note personal view construed official comment jet project
rtsg mot com \( steve p \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update nntp posting host blue organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group distribution usa lines 24 irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? matter dis belief matter constantly \( radically \) changing stories believe steve b personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject ok , little hasty organization louisiana tech university lines 19 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article unisql uucp ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) writes article 1993apr20 010734 megatek com randy megatek com writes perhaps dwi lousiana confined liquor \? everything louisiana related liquor eating , sleeping , walking , talking , church , state , life , death , everything dare make accusation ! many sober , non state ! n't busy unloading beer truck week end , might come talk wit ! b dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 74 frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes presumably means moral systems better others \? \? manage without objective frame reference \? goes faster , bullet snail \? come answer einstein proved n't objective frame reference \? einstein proved anything , oh , yes may agree premises , proved may apply reality \( thing exists \) , certainly proved something ca n't answer , answer general true got one similarly , moral relativist judge one moral system better another every possible circumstance , however , preclude judging one moral system better another specific set circumstances preclude set moral relativists collectively judging moral system , set circumstances agree even statement assumes objective reality independent beliefs eh \? could explain \? statement talking \? weasel word use describe frame reference , n't objective reality values \? i'm sorry , ca n't parse objective reality values could try \? objective reality values values real even face disagreement still n't quite see 're trying say assume values mean moral values , yes \? case , mean real \? real moral value , opposed unreal one \? saying moral systems better others , opinion , get infinite regress sorry , way infinite regress \? looks extremely finite get justification saying moral system terrorist inferior man peace sorry , 's provide justification asserting moral system terrorist inferior man peace ca n't provide justification works possible circumstances similarly , provide justification asserting bullets move faster justification wo n't hold possible frames reference , hold almost frames reference ever likely saying make , 's according premise , mine n't think agree saying make point view according premises , unless argument invalid may indeed make point view , never claimed fact , n't even claim exist enough point view mathew
coutsoft cheshire oxy edu \( michael coutsoftides \) subject emu sampler sale organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa lines 12 emu ii sampler w 16 bit stereo sampling 3 stereo inputs , 6 outs internal sequencer 32 voice 170 meg internal hd stock ram \( 2 meg think \) perfect condition 5 months old 1600 obo
ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( mr \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization university buffalo lines 22 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca , golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes article 1993apr21 ncsu edu delarocq eos ncsu edu \( derrell emery larocque \) writes tonight boston , buffalo sabres blanked boston bruins 4 0 tonight boston looks like boston hang season , buffalo 's home record awesome ! ! ! ! great buffalo fans might get see revenge last year ! ! ! ! ! \) i'm glad grant fuhr never confident two wins takes four wins defeat opponent tougher obtain previous one buffalo good start fuhr proving fuhr bashers wrong , boston awfully good team gerald awesome home record , need remember 7th game last year aud 'd like see playoff games since i'm stuck buffalo ub , think boston n't giving easy mr
jfh netcom com \( jack hamilton \) subject legality placebos \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 40 athena mit edu wrote placebos legal \? would seem , patient , purchase drug 've prescribed 's sugar \( whatever \) , 's legal complications arise 1 diagnosed condition n't given accepted treatment , seems like intentional medical malpractice placebo accepted treatment times 2 placebo fall , legally , label quackery \( \? \) \? placebos effective certain circumstances 's 're used actually , n't know know anyone actually gotten sugar pill n't know could done , since prescription drugs always labeled , 's easy enough find 's pill name 's common prescribe drug effective something , antibiotics viral infections common placebo 3 getting pay \( deceptive bait switch extreme \) false advertising \( mcdonalds n't put 100 pure beef hamburgers \? \) i'm sure mean think 're paying \? 're entitled prescription drug pay doctor 's appointment jack hamilton jfh netcom com po box sf , ca usa
nntp posting host hawaii et byu edu lines 19 alaska et byu edu \( ed \) subject modems noisy lines distribution world x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 chris crayton \( chris crayton ozonehole com \) wrote jcl garbage \? , modem n't hardware , jcl software implemented protocol trick \? software version mnp 5 available , often connect modems mnp compatible , modem 's also program called odyssey \( modem directory simtel archives \) emulates mnp 4 5 \( others , , think , interested \) getting lot garbage called one number , mnp 4 cleared completely ordinary 2400 modem \( fortunately , remote end mnp modem \) tried mnp 5 , , seemed lock computer mileage may vary ed ed byu edu
0005111312 mcimail com \( peter nesbitt \) subject write \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 17 nntp posting host cs utexas edu okay copies relevant gun control bills i'm mad hell want get involved want join battle protect second amendment rights write \? concentrate writing comments \? actual author bill \? supporters bill \? congressman \? senator \? newspapers \? magazines \? \? n't believe change world , least going throw punches offer advice suggestions begin get involved \? thanks replying directly via e mail pnesbitt mcimail com
davisonj en ecn purdue edu \( john davison \) subject cd 's sale organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution usa lines 10 article 1993apr21 leland stanford edu leland stanford edu \( ryan \) writes paid 19 95 cd , 're fool got ripped please tell get cd music label less 20 , john davison davisonj ecn purdue edu
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject thoughts christians organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 28 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote social pressure indeed important factor majority passive christians world today case early christianity promise heavenly afterlife , independent social status , also promising gift \( reason slaves non romans accepted religion rapidly \) hypothetical proposition , say , 's fact , cite sources amateur sociologist sub branch however , would suffice alert screwing around well , remember jacoby 's talks cite one source i'm sure christians read book addition social experiences raised educated lutheran , lot christian friends , even played two christian rock bands ! , , counter claims , sources et rest shows christianity concept social promise independent social status \? cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
ravel udel edu \( fred masterson \) subject wanted beach rental , nc nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 9 seeking north carolina beach rental desire house two families \( 4 adults , 3 kids \) one week late june early july fred masterson ravel udel edu psychology department fred masterson mvs udel edu university delaware bitnet newark , de usa \( 302 831 \)
kem prl ufl edu \( kelly murray \) subject looking x windows pc organization university florida parallel lab lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host prl ufl edu keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows article 1993may14 labtam labtam oz au , graeme labtam labtam oz au \( graeme gill \) writes article netcom com , hasty netcom com \( amancio hasty jr \) writes performance suck lemons running xserver clone clone almost name generating xstones 486 33mhz system get 15 tektronix xp11 terminals 900 , performance 80000 xstones come even close performance series , plus excuse , 486 50 256k cache , s3 928 isa card , 8mb \( x11r5 \) running 386bsd get 100k xstones 1024x768 doubt hardly apples apples try running benchmark network clone , 're still getting 100k xstones 've got good machine x terminals n't server know graeme gill would add 486 50 , s3 928 , 8mb , 15 , going cost way 900 , probably 3 , 000 color makes apples apples xterminals provide better price performance pcs make pc much cheaper , perform much worse , make pc 's perform great , cost pay extra additional pc home user , extra functionality worth added cost kelly murray
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject final solution gaza \? organization department redundancy department lines 18 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes dear folks , still awaiting sensible answer comment dear elias , counted least 4 answers public \( plus whatever private email replies may received \) , yet refuse accept anything perhaps better private world center policy research iceland define sensible whatever way makes feel comfortable jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject x soviet armenian government must recognize turkish genocide reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 80 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes suspect might pan certain people n't get \? years world war , x soviet armenian government planned perpetrated muslim people , took lives 2 5 million muslim people , also method used empty turkish homeland inhabitants day , turkish historic lands remain occupied x soviet armenia order cover fact usurpation historic turkish homeland , crux turkish political demands , fascist x soviet armenia continues anti turkish policy following ways 1 x soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide order shift international public opinion away political responsibility 2 x soviet armenia , employing asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle , attempts call question veracity turkish genocide 3 x soviet armenia also implemented state sponsored terrorism asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle attempt silence turkish people 's vehement demands protests 4 using human , financial , governmental resources , x soviet armenia tools united states attempt silence terrorism , bribery subversive methods , non turkish supporters turkish cause , political , governmental humanitarian using aforementioned methods , x soviet armenian government attempting neutralize international diplomatic community making turkish case contemporary issue yet despite efforts x soviet armenian government terrorist revisionist organizations , last decades , thanks struggle whose closest ones systematically exterminated armenians , international wall silence issue begun collapse , consequently number governments organizations become supportive recognition turkish genocide full knowledge struggle turkish territorial demands still initial stages , turkish kurdish people continue sacred struggle , therefore victims turkish genocide demand 1 x soviet armenian government , heirs armenian dictatorship , recognize turkish genocide 2 x soviet armenia return historic homeland turkish kurdish people 3 x soviet armenian government make material reparations heinous unspeakable crime victims turkish genocide 4 world governments , especially united states , officially recognize turkish genocide turkish territorial rights refuse succumb armenian political pressure 5 u government free friendly position adopted towards unreliable ally , x soviet armenia , officially recognize historical fact turkish genocide well supportive pursuit turkish territorial demands 6 x soviet republics officially recognize historical fact turkish genocide include cold blooded extermination 2 5 million muslim people history books serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 79 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article 1993may10 pasteur berkeley edu adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) writes article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes 3 \) decided go back land relatives expelled 2000 years ago , first convert religion , apply law return member jewish nation apply someone whose mother jewish \? i'm sure hope answer ca n't apply law return conversion , 've elected part jewish nation point converting another religion loose cultural identity , loose religious identification consider defining belonging nation claims right state based religious belief form racism 5 \) change day day converted loose part jewish nation \? moment converted , officially world consider part jewish nation , jewish nation consider member \? part nation defined culture religion actually , atheist , fact like converting non jewish terms religion , still considered part jewish nation proud jewish culture giving importance jewish religion , even , proud jewish culture still convinced real god another one know anyone lost american nation changed god suppose father arab suppose born palestine , place part israel suppose father , grandfather well 20 30 generations born place suppose war independence father , scared fighting going , tries take family place secure , among people knows , speak language understands , worship god , suppose place arab country , suppose war new country created father used live , country called israel , country , jews world received people whose family left thet country 200 generation ago recieved granted full citizenship , decided go back father 's land , born 20 30 generations family born , right go back ask recognized way returning 2000 years \? result wars brought arabs jews attempt annihilate israel , arabs lost claim land attacking israel illegal pay price feel sorry palestinians \? yes blame arab nations problems , israel still believe never actions states individuals happen live way think right blame israelis human rights violations israel , think assume arabs guilty actions arab states people fled homes scared , still suffering responsible , remember also told point ended diaspora , course , others want done adam schwartz adams robotics berkeley edu alberto pinkas aap wam umd edu umd edu
wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) subject ir remote control receiver organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 20 ritterbus001 wcsub ctstateu edu writes want buy one , try radio shack , else tv repair shop probably order one btw carrier frequency 40 khz , different tv vcr cable box stereo manufacturer uses unique pulse scheme perform different function equipment tv 's , including rca set home , uses simple carriers think run 32 36 38 khz tone decoding one piss thing \) hook irled variable oscillator tune kinds havoc \) similarly , vcr remote changes channels cable box always seems change cable box channel 5 pause play soooo , things overlap duane
aragorn csee lehigh edu \( frank \) subject monitors nanao \? organization lehigh university lines 12 nntp posting host aragorn csee lehigh edu johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) writes hello , 've following discussions 17 monitors comp sys ibm pc hardware noted nanao seems get good reviews i'm interested getting information nanao 's products get ahold nanao \? nanao call 1 800 800 ask catalog 's list street cost avail third party buy copy computer shopper take look one place reasonable prices good service cad warehouse cleveland , ohio
david trsvax tandy com subject dirty diesels \? nf id r opal12 trsvax 000 304 nf trsvax tandy com ! david apr 23 13 18 00 1993 lines 9 would n't want anyone make front living room wall drive diesel powered 60 tank , shooting super hot soot curtains freshly made words , please n't flame ! yup , 'll answer one
hawaii edu subject quantum lps 240at \( 234 meg ide \) forsale 300 keywords ide harddisk forsale 300 organization university hawaii distribution usa expires sat , 1 may 1993 10 00 00 gmt lines 14 hi netters , quantum lps 240at harddisk forsale 3 5 frame , 1 3 height ide format , master slave 723 cyl 13 hd 51 234 9 real megs access time 16 ms 256k cache drive asking 300 email uhcc hawaii edu
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject persistent vs chronic organization university pittsburgh lines 29 article hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article enea1 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com \( horace enea \) writes anyone tell difference persistent disease chronic one \? example , persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis n't think general distinction rather , two classes chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis chronic persistent hepatitis ca n't think disease term persistent used preference chronic much two terms chronic active chronic persistent sound fuzzy , actual distinction two conditions often fairly fuzzy well beg differ chronic active hepatitis implies disease remains active , generally leads liver failure minimum , patient persistently elevated liver enzymes \( call \) chronic persistant hepatitis simply means patient blood transmit infection , shows evidence progressive disease choose , 'd much rather persistant type kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
subject earwax nicholson kosmos wcc govt nz reply nicholson kosmos wcc govt nz organization wellington city council \( public access \) , , nz nntp posting host kosmos wcc govt nz lines 15 article stephen mont , stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes healthiest way deal earwax \? one leave ear mess , clean every often \? cleaning damage \? tubes ear might get blocked \? stephen best thing leave , work way surface anything stick try clean going push wax pack solid , thus hearing sean
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject palestine organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 20 article ysub ysu edu ysub ysu edu writes r2d2 benjamin , zionist friend r2d2 amazing still pigs like left planet r2d2 occupied palestine become prison inhabitants , thanks r2d2 , zionist network around world , call r2d2 chosen people god r2d2 god , long breath left , r2d2 fight freedom benjamin , n't rest easily thanks writing name identifying , coward right hide behind blind rhetoric , beware jle mossad agent wil come get tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp message self destruct 5 seconds employer may \( \) opinions , !
nosubdomain nodomain \( brent \) subject improvements automatic transmissions nntp posting host organization bnr , inc lines 48 article 1993apr21 westminster ac uk , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes wanted know auto , keep gear n gas stick gear 've never tried sure works screw \? 're bit debate ah yes , neutral slam know gm tested old 's 's shifting reverse forward gears repeatedly holding engine high rpms units hold incredibly well also recommended technique rock stuck vehicle mud think hydraulics task , mechanicals may object breaking something 0 02 agree durability old trannies gm never intentionally '68 firebird 400 ci conv gear , would leave trannie low \( read 1st \) , grab hold , hit pedal , tires grabbed , take reached 57 60mph turbo 400 auto would shift \( read 2nd \) leave 10 15 foot double stripped rubber ground everyone knew time quite impressed 60 mph trannie held fine motor mounts would last year tied motor large chains oh yea , fyi pontiac 400 ci bored 0 04 large valve heads holley 650 spread bore cam \( n't remember specs \) , headers , dual exhaust get \( conv , leather seats , power windows power top , ac , cruise etc \) oh yea , also pulled \( weights \) front removed lead pellet accelerator pedal \( damn us regulations \) oh , miss car ! ! ! 0 60 6 7 sec 6 14 mpg \( well n't miss mpg \) front wheels 4 ground three quick pedal bent pushrods , stripped rocker studs , every 6 12 months \( really wonder kind rev 's turning tach \) improvements automatic transmissions anyone seen one lately \? 'd buy back sec ! ! ! open top brent
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 110 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes believe zionism , , form racism mean fact , specific ideas supports , form defines jew way wants accomplish goals nothing hypocrisy everything hypocrisy 've dealt arguments history net suffice say n't succeeded convincing anyone probably lack basis want convince anyone usenet , real world read opinions others subject , sometimes present opinion think net useful exchange ideas never wanted want convince anyone anything want deal certain people say , fine condemning movement nothing jewish nationalism never anything saying quite literally racist think jews people , added right state homeland , right every nation n't agree , suggest read dictionary interpretation plain inconsistent dictionary definition well modern history first , repeat , never said idea jews right state racist zionism , movement , idea think zionism way defines jew , example , racist like way believe irish right nationalism support bombing killing ira , believe jews right nationalism support zionism right 's 're wrong 's also know 're wrong zionism way monolithic never approaches zionism widespread ideologies meir kahane approaches racist kahane , one every approach zionism defines goals differently also defines different approach goals single belief jews , like every nation earth , deserve homeland period makes basis zionist movements however , considering , rest long zionism considers , example , jew jewish state based religion , consider zionism form racism well know , 80 israeli jews secular words way religious , probably n't even believe g makes interesting point people living jewish state shown jewish culture includes jewish religion , jewish people living jewish state shown us problems state 80 people secular judaism define according religious standards , marriage religious stage , law return defines jew according religious standard israelis believe god never become non jews \? still define jew based religious definition \? maybe , would consider hypocrisy support zionism disregard right self determination palestinian people struggle reach 'd wanted say first place , said took word words , took words normal , dictionary definition quite obvious use different dictionary rest english speaking world , base analysis misconceptions according webster 's ninth new collegiate dictionary , merriam webster inc , publishers , springfield , massachusetts , u , 1986 , page 593 , hy ri sy one believe one , saying one believes zionism simple matter people right nationalism , disregarding right palestinian people , according dictionary , hypocrisy really interested think , instead directly coming labels , like , send mail aap wam umd edu , exchange ideas learning words mean \? stand 've said know words mean stand said believe zionism form racism course , tend talk things defined broad sense eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder aap
mmaser engr uvic ca \( michael maser \) subject dogs nntp posting host uvic ca reply mmaser engr uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 46 21 apr 1993 egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes article adobe com , cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes writes sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages agree 100 , chihuahua 's police military n't train use weapons easy average joe defeat barehanded may opposing thumbs , dog teeth effective named ir vision , better hearing better smell , likely faster reflexes 're motorcycle , 's paws roll blow n't even net access ed green c'mon ed \) things weak areas b \) 's ir idiot response dogs rods cones \( i'm sure \? \) humans allows eyes collect light lower light conditions consequently colour vision almost non existant mean , dogs built infra red vision , armed forces would strapping missiles instead paying quarter million ir guidance capabilities c \) dog net access ! ! mike maser dod squid rating 5 9235 pinetree rd sidney , b c , hopalonga yuka yuka excess 400 v8l wish list tridump , mucho , burley home \( 604 \) 656 6131 thumpison , work \( 604 \) 721 mmaser sirius uvic ca joke month gay say university victoria indian chief \? news rec motorcycles answer bum couple bucks \?
mad se \( mattias \) subject procomm ! \? organization lulea university computer society lines 9 one remap special command keys procomm seems would like remap keys especially 2 , combinations anybody know plain dirty way \? \? \( cause people settle function keys , n't see limitation \) , mattias
sdf lonestar org \( tom hyatt \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april summary lessons clarifications weapons organization sdf public access unix , dallas tx 214 436 lines 52 article 1993apr20 e2big mko dec com busta enet dec com writes article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article apm hpopdlau pwd hp com , apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) writes path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uknet ! pipex ! uunet ! think com ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! apm apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) article 1993apr19 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes unrelated text deleted exactly trying say \? fire engines within mile compound \? gun loonies firing vehicles 50mm range 3000 meters crap , phil 50mm \? wrong give clue big 50mm , f 16 fighter aircraft guns used shoot aircraft 50mm gun would somewhere realm might 50 calibre definitely 50mm think phil needs get ruler see exactly big 50mm rounds roughly 2 diameter type stuff used anti aircraft 50 calibre much smaller , effective range \( \) sounds right maybe got two confused fbi 's reasoning sound , note ph b factually wrong tom h paul r busta busta enet dec com salem , n h 603 894 make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable tom hyatt i'm saints fan , 've sdf lonestar org suffered quite enough , thank ! arlington , tx help ! i'm repressed ! python
magnus acs ohio state edu \( kenneth w miller \) subject stereo system sale nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 1 ken
tarnold vnet ibm com \( todd w arnold \) subject sensible des towards bit errors \? organization ibm cryptographic facility development disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 lines 15 ad cat axel dunkel writes sensible des encrypted data towards bit errors \? much data per bit lost average \( assume still correct key \) \? depends mode 're using single 64 bit input block , one bit error 50 percent chance corrupting 64 output bits words , essentially turns output block random number 're encrypting data cbc mode , however , one 64 bit block affected next block , follow decrypted properly 's good idea kind error correction system corrupted bits likely todd
oser fermi wustl edu \( scott oser \) subject studies book mormon organization washington university astrophysics lines 5 distribution world nntp posting host fermi wustl edu think temptation , paul , good section origins mormonism might want look scott
keith stein n109 z1 permanet org \( keith stein \) subject gps launch lines 3 next gps launch scheduled june 24th origin va astronomy club 703 256 \( 1 109 118 \)
ccohen pitt edu \( caleb n cohen \) subject espn sucks ot baseball \? guess lines 12 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 article ccu umanitoba ca umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca writes showing meaningless \( relatively \) baseball game overtime game tied less 3 seconds left clock \? actually happened pens game , turned espn game nearly end regular , phone rang tv later turned back , indians little later , hockey games , baseball game actually matters , hockey deed
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun like american express card organization computer science department , stanford university lines 42 article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes n't remember figures exactly , 3500 deaths texas 1991 caused guns beeing killed car accidents ! \( yes , could low sentences high poverty could influence figures 're still pretty high right \? \? \) also believe texas liberal 'gun laws' usa 'd wrong note texas n't unique gun deaths car deaths , states happens extremely strict gun laws oops much meaning n't clear comparision means anything anyway car accidents unintentional gun deaths n't , 're going make , let 's least honest suffer others agree one , also live therefor 'll give 'freedom' \( note '' \) give \? gun control n't benefits , fails standard insurance \? \? 'll pay others note insurance gives something return gun control n't hell trying say \? \? live society \( usa counted one \) question much 's half question rest get sacrifice answer second question nothing , gun control , n't ask first question getting nothing means sacrifice justified andy
jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) subject help kidney stones organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) lines 29 x newsreader tin version 1 1 9 pl6 pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote girlfriend pain kidney stones says medical insurance , cannot get removed question way treat , least mitigate effects \? help deeply appreciated \( advice , referral literature , etc \) thank , dave pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu first , would consider severity pain stones several years ago , 's way could made without heavy duty doses morphine two week stay hospital told nothing could take would dissolve stones , best thing could drink lots water , hope pass , every time move little , pain excrutiating told doctor time pain comparable childbirth \( yes , male doctor , i'm sure women disagree \) 'd really like know truth , maybe women baby kidney stone could fill jeff silva \( 707 \) 577 jeffs sr hp com
gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) subject wings win nntp posting host hudson uvic ca reply gballent hudson uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 34 article vela acs oakland edu , ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes gballent vancouver uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) writes lots debate virtues bryan murray vs pat quinn gm deleted randy graca seems think murray best gm league think quinn one several better plus team \( quinn 's \) improved much greater amount detroit since took figure \? vancouver detroit thing last year division , close number points , went 3 1 first round playoffs finally escaping 7 games , got knocked second round teams able beat , less talent \( specifically , remember correctly , third place teams \) make vancouver improved \? , i'm mistaken , wings points vancouver end season \( albeit many \) quinn took vancouver several years ago , last year , missed playoffs ca n't recall missed playoffs year hiring probably quinn improved team non playoff calibre serious contender murray took detroit , 500 team contender win norris division possibly even stanley cup contender quinn improved team murray since taking gm quinn one example better gm murray gregmeister
curia ucc ie \( peter flynn \) subject compiling ghostview sun openwindows 3 organization university college , lines 16 due seems sun 's organisation x libraries includes , standard \( gnu \) software wo n't compile box \( well , tar file \) right i'm trying make ghostview complains ca n't find x11 xaw linked \( ln \) files usr openwin share include x11 thing still complains ca n't find still n't able compile xdvi , way anyone ever managed get anything normal compile sun \( sunos 4 1 3 openwindows 3 \) \? 's trick i'm missing \? 've even tried hard copying relevant files right places every time , 's bit missing refuses find peter
dh fnal gov \( \) subject krillean photography organization fermilab lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov summary poor person 's kirlian poor person 's kirlian photography \( try home \) 1 hold hand cold window 2 look closely stunning corona effects around fingertips 3 remove hand \( window \) observe image 4 invent crackpot theory explain effect
machnik ctron com \( michael c machnik \) subject goalie stats organization cabletron systems inc lines 124 nntp posting host pong ctron com nin15b34 merrimack edu article access usask ca , coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) writes path ctron news ctron com ! noc near net ! uunet ! ! newsflash concordia ca ! mi cc umanitoba ca ! access usask ca ! cs usask ca ! coulman coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) newsgroups rec sport hockey subject final regular season individual goalie stats date wed , 21 apr 93 12 27 59 edt organization university saskatchewan lines 103 distribution world message id access usask ca reply coulman cs usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca would appreciate someone could volunteer verify shots goal save percentage numbers , put stats archive site contact mail want volunteer individual goalie stats wed apr 21 09 09 38 cst 1993 stats include games including sunday previous date listed verified printed newspaper every tuesday n't print shots save percentage numbers , verified stats available mail every weekday sometimes weekends , i'm town get late game results send note would like receive stats mail questions , comments suggestions , let know randy mp minutes played , ga goals , shutouts , gaa goals average w wins , l losses , ties sog shots goal , sv save percentage mp ga gaa w l sog sv tm player 1 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 1 000 byron 11 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 3 1 000 har 40 1 0 1 50 0 0 0 19 0 947 mtl frederick 25 1 0 2 40 0 0 0 10 0 900 bos mike bales 116 2 2 50 25 15 7 1287 0 910 tor felix potvin 177 7 2 59 41 18 11 1879 0 906 chi ed belfour 1322 64 1 2 90 9 8 4 596 0 893 bos john blue 996 49 2 2 95 6 7 1 414 0 882 chi jim waite 3702 186 4 3 01 43 14 5 0 902 pit tom barrasso 3890 196 1 3 02 29 28 9 2194 0 911 stl curtis joseph 1817 94 1 3 10 18 8 4 858 0 890 van kay whitmore 1429 75 0 3 15 11 10 4 716 0 895 buf dominik hasek 3194 168 3 3 16 37 14 3 1354 0 876 bos andy moog 1311 70 1 3 20 14 4 1 629 0 889 cal jeff reese 192 2 3 20 31 25 5 1813 0 894 mtl patrick roy 168 9 0 3 21 1 1 1 87 0 897 har mike lenarduzzi 1193 64 0 3 22 13 4 2 522 0 877 det vincent riendeau 96 2 3 23 17 7 4 938 0 898 tor daren puppa 210 4 3 25 34 24 7 1898 0 889 det tim cheveldae 3732 203 2 3 26 29 26 9 0 888 cal mike vernon 146 1 3 30 22 20 2 0 889 nyi glenn healy 185 1 3 30 24 24 6 0 893 buf grant fuhr 152 4 3 31 20 18 7 1519 0 900 nyr john vanbiesbrouck 181 1 3 31 27 23 5 0 882 beaupre 193 3 3 33 26 26 5 1683 0 885 min jon casey 3261 184 3 3 39 28 21 5 0 886 van kirk mclean 151 2 3 39 19 21 3 1322 0 886 nj chris terreri 1433 81 1 3 39 17 5 1 686 0 882 mtl andre racicot 1939 110 0 3 40 18 9 4 947 0 884 que stephane 143 5 3 42 20 17 6 0 892 phi tommy soderstrom 78 0 3 42 13 7 2 691 0 887 pit ken 542 31 0 3 43 5 4 0 225 0 862 bos reggie 172 0 3 45 29 16 5 1525 0 887 que ron hextall 2253 130 0 3 46 17 15 5 1067 0 878 nyi mark fitzpatrick 227 2 3 53 33 26 6 2119 0 893 win bob essensa 96 0 3 60 15 10 2 777 0 876 win jim hrivnak 1596 97 1 3 65 10 12 5 803 0 879 min darcy 97 0 3 66 7 19 2 757 0 872 tb wendell young 1163 71 0 3 66 8 10 1 573 0 876 tb jc bergeron 146 2 3 67 21 16 4 1180 0 876 nj craig billington 1210 74 1 3 67 8 8 2 628 0 882 stl guy hebert 1302 80 2 3 69 8 12 0 664 0 880 rick tabaracci 664 41 0 3 70 5 6 0 344 0 881 buf tom draper 224 14 0 3 75 1 2 1 116 0 879 nyr corey hirsch 1769 111 1 3 76 13 11 5 932 0 881 phi dominic roussel 134 1 3 82 13 19 3 1184 0 887 nyr mike richter 157 10 0 3 82 1 2 0 78 0 872 nyi danny lorenz 240 1 3 84 17 38 6 0 884 edm bill ranford 111 0 3 84 15 8 4 987 0 888 la robb stauber 175 2 3 86 18 21 6 1545 0 887 la kelly hrudey 154 10 0 3 90 0 2 1 66 0 848 que jacques 867 57 0 3 94 5 9 1 499 0 886 har mario gosselin 532 35 0 3 95 6 4 0 294 0 881 la rick knickle 2268 150 1 3 97 8 24 4 1197 0 875 tb pat jablonski 2074 142 1 4 11 7 26 0 1250 0 886 sj arturs irbe 2656 184 0 4 16 16 27 3 0 875 har sean burke 1338 93 0 4 17 9 12 2 763 0 878 edm ron tugnutt 1326 95 0 4 30 2 17 1 743 0 872 ott daniel berthiaume 802 59 0 4 41 3 9 0 405 0 854 phi stephane beauregard 250 0 4 43 8 46 3 0 854 ott peter sidorkiewicz 65 5 0 4 62 0 0 1 39 0 872 cal andrei trefilov 1373 111 0 4 85 4 15 1 784 0 858 har frank pietrangelo 73 6 0 4 93 0 0 1 34 0 824 win mike o'neill 60 5 0 5 00 0 1 0 46 0 891 sj wade flaherty 2000 176 0 5 28 2 30 1 1220 0 856 sj jeff hackett 930 86 0 5 55 2 14 1 559 0 846 sj brian hayward 160 15 0 5 63 0 3 0 91 0 835 tor rick wamsley 20 2 0 6 00 0 0 0 7 0 714 olaf 90 10 0 6 67 0 2 0 44 0 773 ott darrin 249 30 0 7 23 0 5 0 146 0 795 ott steve weeks 98 13 0 7 96 0 2 0 51 0 745 la david 45 7 0 9 33 0 1 0 21 0 667 tb david littman randy coulman , sc aries laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman cs usask ca saskatoon , sk s7n 0w0 mike machnik machnik blue ctron com nin15b34 merrimack edu cabletron systems , inc 11 13 93
russell p hughes dartmouth edu \( \) subject vs crane x posted internews 1 0b14 dartmouth edu organization hog heaven lines 33 article cbnewsm cb att com shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) writes plan switch single fire ignition month curious anyone experience supposedly new crane single fire club wrench \( \) done modules several friends 'll get one also unless bunch folks say crane better one guy installed mc power arc ignition yet reported results simple bolt replacement new mounting holes drilled recognize 's fun discuss chris needed change brands penis enhancer 'bout comments single fire ignitions installed mc power arc ii , seems run great also used mc coils , neither ignition module coils required new mounting holes drilled 92 fxstc little soldering fine static timing real easy set side coin , local wrench , whose opinion invariably seek n't always adopt , thinks mc power arc piece shit says jap chips gonna fail one day needless say , n't like electronic ignition modules , recommends system think 's one hall effect timing sensor \( \) , correct \? russ hughes '92 fxstc dod 6022 \( \) chrome steel rides air n young
bevan cs man ac uk \( stephen j bevan \) subject rob lanphier 401 netcom com 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu organization department computer science , university manchester lines 7 reply brian lpl arizona edu 's message 23 apr 93 22 59 33 gmt article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes brian , n't offend decide reject jesus christ wish would make decision learn jesus rejected buddha \? , really learn buddha making decision \?
hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization university houston administrative computing lines 44 distribution world nntp posting host uhad2 admin uh edu x news reader vms news 1 24 reply \( \) 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 15 30 05 gmt 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia paranoid , government , even guy talking originally , think simply paying attention bunch people living lot guns nearby wierd texas family , quiet taxpayers extremely con views , something like 10 rifles shotguns two person home mine , n't live anymore shotgun apartment texas child protective services \( loves find child abuse \) found , repeat , evidence abuse first looked bd , saying see none kids released evidence koresh banging anyone wives law stockpile \( \) weapons campbell 's soup hard evidence form actual hardware \( write \) prove bd really proscribed weapons feel loonies , indication ever bothered anyone gone wrong ways wrong reasons , batf fbi busy child abuse angle n't got leg stand right involved abuse cases anyway real danger bd 's going rampage , officers state texas , probably getting per verse bit pleasure getting torque feds fucking something state semper fi , jammer jim miller texas university '89 '91 n't speak uh , bad , could use help become one student billing system student billing system power finds way take stand stand , ordinary man rik emmet , gil moore , mike levine triumph
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem organization department redundancy department lines 48 article cbnewsj cb att com avr cbnewsj cb att com \( adam v reed \) writes allegations jewish disrespect objects buildings religions one antisemitic stereotypes western culture , rumors church host probably caused pogroms blood libel 2 years ago , lot noise church old city jerusalem taken jewish group fact , building question dormitory belonged church physically connected church palestinean arab 99 years jewish group sub church owned building disapproved legal action started revoke sub lease media , however , made look like jewish stealing church property jerusalem force stereotypes culture create cognitive illusions stereotypes therefore claim appears stereotype treated decent people utmost suspicion unless documented damage already done press case surprising , course , many decent people regard press utmost suspicion claim cross posted news group documented , c j , reference given first time appears claim documented , regard whole episode disgusting shameful especially official failed provide proper temporary facilities evicted jordanians probably jewish , jew know known better appear referring moshe dayan know evicted jordanians provided something else \? fact , thread indicates squatters land received compensation loss , anyways ! woe jews feel recovering land taken force \( ethnic cleansing remaining jews \) disgusting shameful jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
josephc cco caltech edu \( joseph chiu \) subject pads organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 27 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) writes ago saw pads , 6 x8 could plugged \( something \) would glow one red , another green , another blue interresting wondering anyone would feed anything nature , price oh , pads rubber like floppy like , thick curiosities speak el \( electro \) pads mostly used lcd 's , pointed , comes several different colors many emit white ish colors \( true white , blue blue ones 've personally encountered often \) vary input requirements , however , tend operate 100 , much higher 60 hz \( 400 hz 1 khz , recall correctly \) get work 120 , 60 hz \( e , line \) n't glow , degrade much faster \( oh yes , almost forgot , el 's tendency wear time \) joseph chiu josephc cco caltech edu os 2 gotta get thing ! msc 380 caltech pasadena , ca 91126 dear ibm hire bunch technically incompetent people 1 818 449 5457 \( like brother \) test os 2 installation procedures
jpc philabs philips com \( john p curcio \) subject nhl playoff results games played 23 april 1993 organization philips laboratories , briarcliff , new york lines 23 article 1993apr24 philabs philips com jpc philabs philips com \( john p curcio \) writes nhl playoff results games played 23 april 1993 conference semi finals best seven patrick adams norris smythe nyi \( leads 2 1 \) mon tor la que \( leads 2 1 \) det \( leads 2 1 \) cal \( tied 2 1 \) k people , 's tied meant leads 2 1 shoot must jpc john p curcio go bruins ! philips laboratories jpc philabs philips com 345 scarborough road \( 914 \) 945 6442 briarcliff manor , ny 10510
\( \) subject batf fbi right thing waco organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 3 ditto great post joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
greg eng sun com \( greg \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet organization sun microsystems computer corporation , mtn view , california lines 229 distribution usa nntp posting host cheers demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes article gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) writes tried code yesterday sparcstation elc takes 300 seconds compress 22 seconds' worth speech means needs optimized factor 10 usable even half duplex mode ouch ! thanks trying following program quick hack created months ago determine whether sun sparcstation ipc could perform real time , full duplex encrypted audio resulting data rates sustainable today 's modems test program reads linearly encoded audio audio device , compresses gsm 06 10 \( compresses frames 160 13 bit samples recorded 260 bits resulting 50 hz frame rate \) , encrypts des , process sends reconstructed audio back audio device compressed , encrypted audio stream 13 \( ! \) sparcstation ipc \( exactly fast machine days , certainly slower elc \) would barely sustain activity \( audio would speech \) ran real time process get best results remember , though , program quick hack performance certainly improved audio compression routines ftp 'd tub cs tu berlin de , believe \( look gsm toast \) used eric young 's des implementation longer know got cheers ! greg cut test program see much cpu takes secure digital audio written g \( greg cheers com \) written sun ipc running solaris 2 2 sun isdn bus card include stdlib h include h include h include stdio h include sys types h include sys h include h include gsm h include des h boolean svs audio init \( int fd , audio info prev info \) audio info info \( prev info ! null \) \( ioctl \( fd , audio , prev info \) 0 \) perror \( audio \) return \( b false \) audio \( info \) info record pause b true info play pause b true info play sample rate 8000 info play encoding audio encoding linear info play channels 1 info play precision 16 info record sample rate 8000 info record encoding audio encoding linear info record channels 1 info record precision 16 info record buffer size 320 4 \( ioctl \( fd , audio , info \) 0 \) perror \( audio \) return \( b false \) \( ioctl \( fd , flush , \) 0 \) perror \( flush \) return \( b false \) audio \( info \) info record pause b false info play pause b false \( ioctl \( fd , audio , info \) 0 \) perror \( audio \) return \( b false \) return \( b true \) boolean svs \( int ifd , gsm handle , gsm byte buf \) gsm signal sample 160 \( read \( ifd , sample , sizeof \( sample \) \) ! sizeof \( sample \) \) fprintf \( stderr , svs short read n \) return \( b false \) gsm encode \( handle , sample , buf \) return \( b true \) boolean svs \( int , gsm handle , gsm byte buf \) gsm signal sample 160 \( gsm decode \( handle , buf , sample \) 0 \) fprintf \( stderr , svs gsm decode failed n \) return \( b false \) \( write \( , sample , sizeof \( sample \) \) ! sizeof \( sample \) \) fprintf \( stderr , svs short write n \) return \( b false \) return \( b true \) main \( \) gsm handle gsm frame frame int audiofd int option des key , ivec , ivec des key schedule ks , ks des cbuf 4 , cbuf 4 , cbuf buf 4 audiofd open \( dev audio , \) \( audiofd 0 \) perror \( open \) exit \( 4 \) initialize gsm compression code \( \( handle gsm create \( \) \) null \) fprintf \( stderr , svs gsm create failed n \) exit \( 4 \) option b true \( gsm option \( handle , gsm opt fast , option \) 0 \) fprintf \( stderr , svs gsm option \( fast \) failed n \) exit \( 4 \) initialize des code des random key \( key \) \( des set key \( key , ks \) 0 \) fprintf \( stderr , svs des set key failed n \) exit \( 4 \) \( des set key \( key , ks \) 0 \) fprintf \( stderr , svs des set key failed n \) exit \( 4 \) memset \( ivec , 0 , sizeof \( ivec \) \) memset \( ivec , 0 , sizeof \( ivec \) \) open audio device configure \( ! svs audio init \( audiofd , null \) \) exit \( 3 \) \( \) get 160 samples \( 16 bit linear \) convert 33 byte frame \( ! svs \( audiofd , handle , frame \) \) exit \( 1 \) encrypt decrypt block des cbc encrypt \( frame , cbuf , \( long \) 32 , ks , ivec , des encrypt \) des cbc encrypt \( cbuf , cbuf buf , \( long \) 32 , ks , ivec , des decrypt \) \( frame , cbuf buf , 32 \) 0 \( \( cbuf , cbuf buf , 32 \) ! 0 \) fprintf \( stderr , svs failed n \) exit \( 4 \) endif take 33 byte frame convert 160 samples play \( ! svs \( audiofd , handle , frame \) \) exit \( 2 \) gsm destroy \( handle \) cut
rmitch irus rri uwo ca \( ross mitchell \) subject 66dx2 isa , vlb xor 50dx eisa \? \? advice wanted organization university western ontario , london nntp posting host vega irus rri uwo ca lines 81 hi need advice \( opinions \? \) regarding pc would best suit needs ! want use \( proposed \) beast basically four things editing documents using wordperfect 5 1 \( dos \) creating graphs analyzing data using v5 0 \( dos \) editing playing images using aldus photostyler , running windows 3 1 images large , say 2k x 2k , 24bits pixel using pc xterminal , running desqview x 1 1 sun pc nfs , talking network sparcstation 's lot images data come , demanding tasks 've read , read , read pc magazines , performed benchmarks , read newsgroup , decided nice system \( price performance \) would 486dx 50 256k cache , isa , vlb , ram ati graphics ultra pro , 2 meg ram , local bus 15 monitor , 1280x1024 ni 3com etherlink iii 16bit maxtor ide hard drive however , parts n't fit ! local retailer apparently put one together , discover ati card would n't run 50mhz surprise surprise actually , reading group , i'm surprised even 50mhz local bus running choice basically system 486dx2 66 isa vlb , , 486dx 50 eisa vlb \( thus non local bus version ati card \) better , keeping mind i'm primarily interested last two tasks \? help would greatly appreciated ! \( need decide quickly , speedy help would appreciated even ! ! \) btw system perform tasks , following configuration 486dx 33 64k cache , isa , 8 meg ram ati graphics ultra , 2 meg ram 14 monitor , 1024x768 ni smc 8 bit maxtor 120mb ide hard drive 're quite happy ati card fast , data gets ! ! slow images photostyler moved screen , uncovered ! n't seem enough raw cpu running desqview x ! sluggish running local window manager also , many functions photostyler take long time \( even images fit entirely ram \) 's enough memory system desqview x 1 meg smartdrive n't leave much room apps photostyler page disk medium size images performed number benchmarks ethernet transfer rates machine 120k sec ethernet sparcs sustain 600k sec network going 16 bit version smc card increases transfer rates 160k sec still slow \( especially moving large images \) thing local bus ethernet card coming \? \? make difference \? i'm hoping , leaning towards 486dx2 66 choice \( \) , reason also , dx2 100 's horizon \? dx3 99 's \? dx3 150 's \? \? \? ! information greatly appreciated ross mitchell , imaging research lab , rmitch irus rri uwo ca john p robarts research institute p box , 100 perth drive office \( 519 \) 663 london , ontario , canada home \( 519 \) 657
mike budlanski mike budlanski canrem com subject unix reply mike budlanski mike budlanski canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution misc lines 21 unix unix unix unix unix unix unix forsale esix unix system v release 4 new ! 2 user license system 400 unlimited user license system 450 2 user license system dev kit 500 unlimited user license system dev kit 550 systems include floppies tapes manuals new never installed market value systems 1500 us ! interested , please contact 416 233 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
gmw0622 rigel tamu edu \( mr grinch \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization grinchco lines 41 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu summary libertarian texas news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr19 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes article venus tamu edu gmw0622 venus tamu edu \( mr grinch \) writes steve , 're one suggested failed government ideal proving ground , never felt way first place quite contrary , think better proving ground would someplace already governemnt would prevent outright acts agression , yet strong spirit individualism initiative someplace like texas \) mr grinch texas taxpayers might willingly eliminate tax support ut tamu , i'm sure 'd support football programs football pay 's impact ross perot 's fortune eliminating various state supported programs 's made money \? 's already made sure else able public specific ways , \( \) care \? , texas n't seem likely place libertarianism take hold \) likely places important state issue whether state income tax instead legalize popular vice fund raising , vice decisive victory ! jsh mr grinch p 's safely dead , expect david koresh become hero popular folk , atf generally equated santa anna
matt riddle matthew riddle science unimelb edu au subject quadra scsi problems \? \? \? x xxmessage id science unimelb edu au x xxdate thu , 22 apr 93 03 36 41 gmt organization university melbourne x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 31 article kluskens nrl navy mil michael kluskens , kluskens radar nrl navy mil writes problem mentioned last known quadra scsi problem , heavily discussed last year apple employee pointed one byte error scsi driver routine quadra 's \( least 700 900 \) system 7 1 problem , people solution get updated driver drive case mass microsystems wrote new driver fixed problem quadra 700 , occured early last year anyone know updated driver sony dat drives \? ca n't get mine work 950 \( see sony dat retrospect problems posted group \) i'm also problems new macs cheers , matt matthew riddle matthew ariel unimelb edu au science multimedia teaching unit tel 61 3 344 6400 faculty science fax 61 3 344 university melbourne australia opinions !
beyer unit \( paal beyer \) subject information bmp files \? organization norwegian institute technology lines 27 article 17 med ac za , med ac za \( charles \) writes anybody help information bmp file format \? please mail directly med ac za help appreciated charles also looking , come nothing looked ftp ncsa uiuc edu supposed lot image specs email preferred enough interest , post summary lise unit
ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) subject right ! , right ! \( bob knepper damn right ! \) organization nasa lewis research center lines 81 distribution world nntp posting host ariel lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article news duke edu , fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes article shelley u washington edu hardy u washington edu \( glenn tanner \) writes , starting rec sports idiots people respond obvious flamebait nah , let 's reserve rec sports idiots people post obvious flamebait , like funny n't realize mr tanner brought bob knepper v pam postema first place thought someone named jacobs someone posts something controversial \( mention idiotic \) austin posted widely accessed newsgroup , someone challenge statement \? statement truly idiotic , universally thought , challenge waste , challenges nothing \( yes , nothing \) baseball wasting others' time got problem bob knepper thinks \? let 's hear , sort manner \( actually , question whether either knepper postema n't old news point , although read postema 's book interesting \) school thought suggests silence consent agree far whereas idea may apply everything life , certainly apply forum public discussion sez 've reading r b lately , 'll find even elementary school children access postings , albeit edited form 's making think little carefully things post come say road , conclusion , someone like austin wants post drivel obscure newsgroup n't read , fine 's got right rant , rave , wants name free speech newsgroup read , support right anyone provide rebuttal yo even elementary school children access postings , albeit edited form want hear talk like \? n't want people come group talk baseball think like \? want think 're politically correct demagogue 's oh sensitive \? \( ho hum \) plus , 're limiting free speech obscure newsgroup n't read bs got problem jacobs says , knepper thinks , defeat better ideas , better speech easy way knepper ever notice sometimes guys say darn thing pops heads mike shoved front \? know often best copy news one n't pre prepared know knepper controversial ideas women , pop question postema \( interesting related question would whether two ever appeared game top head , guess guess right , knepper popped something nothing postema gets book , n't \) , course , n't read want cut flames , post flamebait ! \( n't respond flames , either saves cyberspace \) , n't think \? \) \) \) rg play better anyone 's one barry bonds , playing two movies
mckinley ingr com \( chuck mckinley \) subject ray bezier intersection problem keywords bezier organization intergraph corp , reston , va lines 62 kind person access mathematical package mathematica , maple , would like ask solution following problem sometimes algebra problems like would like simplified symbolic solution ftp able package handle beasts \? would like solve following ray bezier patch intersection scalar constant p v q \( u , w \) \( origin point 3d \) \( dir vector 3d \) terms p v p various \( origin \) , \( dir 3d \) , \( , j \) 0 , j 3 q \( u , w \) u n b w n n 1 n 2 n 3 u u u u u u 1 \( 0 0 u 1 0 \) 3 2 u u u 1 \( particular case \) n n 1 n 2 n 3 w w w w w w 1 \( 0 0 w 1 0 \) 3 2 w w w 1 \( particular case \) n 1 3 3 1 \( particular case \) 3 6 3 0 3 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 b p p p p \( control points 3d space \) \( 0 , 0 \) \( 0 , 1 \) \( 0 , 2 \) \( 0 , 3 \) p p p p \( 1 , 0 \) \( 1 , 1 \) \( 1 , 2 \) \( 1 , 3 \) p p p p \( 2 , 0 \) \( 2 , 1 \) \( 2 , 2 \) \( 2 , 3 \) p p p p \( 3 , 0 \) \( 3 , 1 \) \( 3 , 2 \) \( 3 , 3 \) thanx , chuck elwood reston ingr com
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject zipper repairs \( tankbag \) nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 reply bgardner dsd es com organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 44 article isc br com \( carl \) writes bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes yep , works like charm problem 7 8 years constant use , thinking seeing much eclipse would want install new zipper someone \( think chuck karish \) suggested try trick took couple tries get right amount squish , 's fine 3 years since squished work nylon coil type otoh tried hg concord jacket thursday night really , made tiny adjustment type squeeze really \( \? \( \) hg zipper nylon coil type kind molded plastic teeth \? 've tried nylon type , n't take much squish fix problem found \( broken parts , zipper hard pull \) spreading zipper pull jaws , tried vice grips , usual grip death technique , adjusted closed vice grips snug zipper jaws , released tightened adjusting screw bit couple right amount zipper squish \( tm \) result know spokane even consider trying repair broken zipper closer thingy , must 0 30 part needs 20 tool install 've two zipper pulls fail aerostich suit \( actually accessory ellipse \) , sent replacement pulls free charge n't know brand hg uses , parts available 's plastic replacement pretty simple , break remove plastic knob top zipper keeps pull coming top end slide new zipper pull crimp \( vice grips ! \) replacement zipper stop might try fabric stores see sell replacement parts oh , 's worth , coil type eclipse tankbag also blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
ssa unity ncsu edu \( alavi \) subject complete aix ps 2 software manuals \( best offer \) \( repost \) originator ssa cc ncsu edu organization nc state university distribution usa lines 24 friend mine complete set aix ps 2 1 2 software manuals sale \( new \) \( 1 44 meg floppies \) including base os development tools \( including c compiler \) administration extensions x windows motif tcp ip pc simulator \( dos merge \) etc etc \( software requires ps 2 386 processor higher , ample disk space memory \) coexist dos os 2 machine , selectively booted startup \) interested email offer pass along keep mind manuals software fill box shipping consideration \( please include message reference \) alavi ssa unity ncsu edu \( 919 \) 467 7909 \( h \) \( 919 \) 515 8063 \( w \)
array com \( ken murphy \) subject squids dealers distribution na organization array microsystems , colorado springs , co usa lines 25 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 kevin l stell \( cbnewsl cb att com \) wrote squids felt embarassed point motorcyclist felt eyes cages , witnessing display , glancing dealers lot two wheels needless say , friend felt little uncomfortable left express embarrassment owner \? n't blame embarrassed , would let feeling known behaviour sales staff apparent enjoyment behaviour cost sale sales turn frustration go ride peacefully , clear anger hope cop following home , open mind n't associate sound good enjoy btw , ca n't afford new bike \?
meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) subject clipper chip distribution usa organization n lines 137 article 1993apr20 news columbia edu pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu \( paul eric stoufflet \) writes thought clipper chip posted p g \( sorry , lost original post \) joke really n't believe second way work morning , heard npr joke 's another copy save npr , hmmm \? mention part fact law enforcement access escrowed keys concealed american public \? newsgroups talk politics guns path dg rtp ! psinntp ! uunet ! news claremont edu ! elroy jpl nasa gov ! sdd hp com ! decwrl ! pa dec com ! uiboise idbsu edu ! blh blh uiboise idbsu edu \( broward l horne \) message id inet gw 2 pa dec com subject heil , clinton date sun , 18 apr 93 11 50 13 mdt x received usenet pa dec com id mon , 19 apr 93 09 30 51 0700 x received inet gw 2 pa dec com id mon , 19 apr 93 09 30 17 0700 x received uiboise idbsu edu \( 16 6 16 2 \) id sun , 18 apr 93 11 50 14 0600 x talk politics guns usenet x mailer elm revision 66 25 lines 112 although subject matter posting directly related talk politics guns , believe information interest large number readers especially considering latest batf clipper csrc ncsl nist gov \( clipper chip announcement \) subject white house public encryption management fact sheet message id c5lgaz 250 dove nist gov sender news dove nist gov organization national institute standards technology distribution na date fri , 16 apr 1993 20 44 58 gmt lines 94 note following released white house today conjunction announcement clipper chip encryption technology fact sheet public encryption management president approved directive public encryption management directive provides following advanced telecommunications commercially available encryption part wave new computer communications technology encryption products scramble information protect privacy communications data preventing unauthorized access advanced telecommunications systems use digital technology rapidly precisely handle high volume communications advanced telecommunications systems integral infrastructure needed ensure economic competitiveness information age despite benefits , new communications technology also frustrate lawful government electronic surveillance sophisticated encryption effect united states exported abroad , used thwart foreign intelligence activities critical national interests past , possible preserve government capability conduct electronic surveillance legitimate law enforcement national security interests , time protecting privacy civil liberties citizens encryption technology improves , require new , innovative approaches area communications encryption , u government developed microcircuit provides privacy encryption substantially robust current government standard , also permits escrowing keys needed unlock encryption system escrowing keys allow government gain access encrypted information appropriate legal authorization assist law enforcement government agencies collect decrypt , legal authority , electronically transmitted information , hereby direct following action taken installation government developed microcircuits attorney general united states , representative , shall request manufacturers communications hardware incorporates encryption install u government developed key escrow microcircuits products fact law enforcement access escrowed keys concealed american public appropriate steps shall taken ensure existing future versions key escrow microcircuit made widely available u communications hardware manufacturers , consistent need ensure security key escrow system making decision , intend prevent private sector developing , government approving , microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure key escrow system key escrow attorney general shall make arrangements appropriate entities hold keys key escrow microcircuits installed communications equipment case , key holder must agree strict security procedures prevent unauthorized release keys keys shall released government agencies established authority acquire content communications encrypted devices containing microcircuits attorney general shall review legal sufficiency procedures agency establishes authority acquire content communications procurement use encryption devices secretary commerce , consultation appropriate u agencies , shall initiate process write standards facilitate procurement use encryption devices fitted key escrow microcircuits federal communications systems process sensitive unclassified information expect process proceed schedule permit final standard within six months directive attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government 's ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill need secure law enforcement communications , attorney general shall utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase
marcus iiasa ac \( marcus \) subject save x11r5 organization international institute applied systems analysis x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 24 hans bos \( hans xelion nl \) wrote following problem x11r5 servers window obscured pop window save attribute set , subwindows window restored normally , subwindows redrawn parent window gets expose event , save attribute used pop window obscured window , expose event sent problem machines works use backing store instead save marcus marcus marcus iiasa ac international institute applied systems analysis iiasa austria phone \( 43 \) 715 21 487 fax \( 43 \) 731 48 vice commissioner australian rules internet football league \( \) 1992 , 1993 ,
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun buy back organization computer science department , stanford university lines 77 article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes death serious wanna discuss match control \? firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 fault one negligent persons , gun , n't want discuss match control n't equate book matches loaded 9 millimeter either n't , matches kill kids guns \? say tired old nra line guns n't kill people , people kill people may tired , true sure , people kill people without guns easy access guns makes lot convenient guns n't kill people , people easy access guns kill people , 's right either people easy access desire kill , kill people considering people desire kill turn easy access \( n't folks learned anything either prohibition war drugs \? \) n't affect desire , 're wasting time , mention costs incurred jim , i'm saying i'm saying good thing police talked run gun buyback programs , get impression really think impact community good note tm folks make argument 'll pay \( 21 million reasonable size city \) , promise meditate away crime , disease , etc least 're promising jail n't go along little plan 're going sit room fly , leaving alone gun violence whether effective look , ca n't measure impact programs using sort pre test post test evaluation , point \? must symbolic nature ah , evaluated gun control using n't work reduce crime point \? ca n't claim symbolic , people get jailed police essentially saying look , gun lying around n't want , 'll give 50 care community , 're essentially saying hope keep noticing 're anything useful pissing away resources n't caring , joe could think way measure effectiveness programs could become rich famous nope , 'll merely ignored , wright , rossi , daly finishing gun supposed prove gun control worked , jim , listen , said i'm religious whatsoever , understand \? religion nothing could care less religion okay \? put children situation wrong , pure simple difference good jim , progressive diverse person world , different allowing kids exposed tanks tear gas , yes jim , different wrong , gassed \? given previous experience thugs threw grenades yelling 're govt 're help , would rational person think feds best interests heart \? would know gas non lethal \? andy
sol rtsg mot com \( arkady \) subject zenith 386 , 20mhz , 40 mb hard disk , 1492 nntp posting host reply rtsg mot com organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 24 following machine sale zenith 386 , 20mhz machine 40 mb hard disk 3 5 inch 1 44 mb floppy drive 5 25 1 2 mb floppy drive 2 mb ram vga card 1492 \( flat tension mask \) vga color monitor flat screen , non glare 101 key keyboard , 2 serial ports , 1 parallel port original manuals came excellent condition 1100 00 best \( reasonable \) offer arkady rtsg mot com
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject relative value players reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 46 kime mongoose torolab ibm com \( edward kim \) writes article world std com jle world std com \( joe leonard \) writes folks jump , let ask net would jays al good pitcher aaa place morris \( given run support \) \? average ml pitcher \? ca n't believe morris' performance playoffs series large positive impact jays performance know 's trendy nowadays dump morris , let 's give credit credit due doubtful blue jays would al east without morris last year , team went 13 15 month august , starters shelled , milwaukee making charge , morris went 5 1 pretty good era \( ca n't remember exactly \) also , let 's underestimate importance 240 innings save bullpen every fifth day n't help us win al east , forget pennent world series guy threw 240 innings 6 run lower era would saved bullpen even say , somebody like frank viola \( 238 innings \) run support high \( 5 98 runs \) 's \( 5 90 runs \) 12 games remember morris winning inordinate number 6 5 8 6 ballgames , credit pitched good needed 6 1 ballgame , put cruise control threw ball let batters get themseleves \( hate expression ! \) inexperienced pitcher would wear trying make perfect pitches keep era morris , veteran pitcher , knows winning thing really matters baseball saving , able reach back little extra \( hate ! \) game line nice tape send baseball tonight attn ray knight espn bristol , ct , chance , taken look boxscores last year determine accuracy account \? seem recall morris getting least 3 4 wins last year jays came back behind decided pull morris end inning mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dictionaries merely records linguistic history truly donovan
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization dsi uscrpac lines 34 article c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com arussell austin ibm com \( ag russell \) writes company worked previously , received file des encryped person sent , went vaction rather wait two weeks set straight frontal attack one key time took two \( 2 \) days crack file , n't faith des taking face value \( though seems quite dissonant much else published brute force des cracking , unless russell lucky respect key \) , 'd interested whether program russell used available \? whether used cleartext recognition algorithm program whether examine decryption hand \? whether used known plaintext attack \? probably also tell us , given address , machine used desktop , workstation , super computer depending answer , could appalling development calling question des rsa des dunno rsa idea bright programmer little idle machine time crack single des message couple days \( assuming tricks message specific \) , 's clipper key , nsa give chip \) david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject bosnian war taking strategic turn , bosnians call europe 's keywords international , non usa government , government , fighting , united nations , civil rights , social issues nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 59 clarinews clarinet com \( j nguyen \) writes united nations \( upi \) muslim dominated government bosnia herzegovina asked u n security council tuesday withdraw u n personnel bosnian territory first step toward lifting international arms embargo former yugoslav republic bosnian government , saying presence u n personnel become impediment critical decisions international community , '' indicated withdrawal relief workers would persuade western governments lift arms embargo muslims could defend bosnian serbs security council imposed arms embargo whole former yugoslavia 1991 fighting erupted serb imposed knowing serbia stockpile weapons , bosnia next nothing defend many experts predicted massacre early march , 1992 , security knew france britain opposed u proposals military air strikes bosnian serbs , saying strong action would lead retaliation troops personnel bosnian move tuesday part bid undermine british french opposition military intervention based fears safety european peacekeeping troops humanitarian personnel 's ambassador united nations , mohamed , conveyed letter security council members , told reporters mandate modified withdraw said security council refuses request , government take step '' elaborate steps government might take letter council , said president clinton understood well desperate united states seeking support lifting arms embargo said international community realized war bosnia herzegovina fascist maintenance arms embargo arrogant fate hundreds thousands loyal bosnian citizens , plead right defend '' ``we security council cease arms embargo , practice , constituted international intervention legitimate rights member united nations , '' said read , tim clock co request security council took members surprise , even though complaints aired bosnian government time allies muslims could find council non aligned islamic countries , calling right self defense , provision u n charter
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject estimating wiretap costs benefits organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 32 robin hanson \( hanson kronos arc nasa gov \) wrote would wiretap chip cost effective \? summary compared average monthly phone bill sixty dollars , wiretaps worth two cents month police proposed wiretap chip must raise phone costs less one part three thousand cost effective robin 's calculation interesting important , even 's order magnitude \( example \) even hardware costs clipper chip phones zero , protocol overhead transmitting escrow field would much higher 1 part 3 thousand depends exact details phone call length , protocol , etc \( shorter calls get proportionately greater hit \) however , suspect americans find line reasoning persuasive analogies escrowing keys one 's house tim may timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
armstrng cs dal ca \( stan armstrong \) subject sleeping one 's aunt organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada lines 37 last time discussed homosexuality , asked whether anyone could identify act besides homosexual intercourse bible prohibited , might circumstances bring apparent harm anyone put another way , question whether homosexual intercourse act christians supposed believe immoral solely basis god says , insight offered immoral one could answer question either form bible \( get interesting response based roman catholic theology \) however , think least answer first question link hudson pointed recent comments sleeping one 's aunt incest held immoral every society , , degrees relationship marriage \( thus , \) prohibited bible exception trouble may difficult see particular relationship qualifies incestuous societies differ define incest genetic reasons sometimes offered , biblical cases cannot dealt way ca n't man sleep step mother assuming father dead married \? case differ duty marry one 's brother 's wife two cases parallel \? bible prohibit incestuous marriages homosexual marriages reason , perhaps god knows good us yet incapable understanding p please n't bother writing tell homophobe , last time mind made questions n't know whether homophobic n't know call anyone else homophobe without knowing person may much expression bigotry homophobic remarks stan armstrong religious studies dept , saint mary 's university , halifax , n armstrong husky1 stmarys ca att ! clyde ! watmath ! water ! dalcs ! armstrng
bruce scott launchpad unc edu \( bruce scott \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 17 boosting hst carrying shuttle would damage , could n't hst brought back earth repair job done \? two shuttle flights would required , adding horrendous expense \? , dr bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer transparent bds aug ipp garching mpg de w gibson opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
leland stanford edu \( michael j \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution na lines 11 one point yet mentioned hands driver 's shoulders definite feels good passenger stretch arms , shoulder massage feels good , shoulders connected arms , arms handlebars hit brakes , pressure shoulders make steering interesting bundle 's cold , make sure good gear \( say \) , pat thigh let know great good luck ! mike
crash cts com \( aaron grier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization cts network services \( crash , ctsnet \) , el cajon , ca lines 47 article news rich bnr ca bjgrier bnr ca \( brian grier \) writes think people posting forgetting users ms products even know internet , unix unfriendly place bizzare abreviations replace rather comfortable abreviations know abreviations subtle differences different vendors pc users tend customize windowing setup , much command line ca n't customize command line interface \? \? change prompt , make aliases \( someone like used say , ls , type dos machine still get directory listing \) , unix , n't like command line interface , throw get different one \( csh , bash , ksh , sh , etc \) computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception true face unix come decent gui available variations unix catch mainstream computer users net mainstream computer users decent gui variations unix \? motif \? stuff mit \? \( twm comes mind \) pretty standard heck , xwindows program runs like likes end user really know manipulate actual windows mouse , since gui , 's graphical bit easier figure \( something windows people pressing throats time \) thing fear gap normal users running windows \( flavors \) power users running unix advanced oses least right , dos still pretty much king bring copy latest whiz bang programming demo friends house , since run dos , enjoy edu crash cts com \( preferred \)
tgl cs cmu edu \( tom lane \) subject vatican library summary 's info nntp posting host g gp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 87 reposted request images great , also large \( pixels typical size \) warned regards , tom lane cyclops eece unm edu \( roger \) newsgroups comp archives subject rec arts books vatican library exhibit library congress online date 14 feb 1993 22 02 59 gmt x original newsgroups rec arts books x original date 1 feb 1993 03 09 17 gmt archive name auto rec arts books vatican library exhibit library congress online another newsgroup looks quite interesting rms announcing new online exhibit library congress rome reborn vatican library renaissance culture exhibit library congress washington , dc 20540 available anonymous ftp seq1 loc gov \( 140 147 3 12 \) pub vatican exhibit rome reborn vatican library renaissance culture presents 200 vatican library 's precious manuscripts , books , maps many played key role humanist recovery classical heritage greece rome exhibition presents untold story vatican library intellectual driving force behind emergence rome political scholarly renaissance exhibit display jefferson building library congress january 8 , 1993 april 30 , 1993 online exhibit available anonymous ftp indefinitely exhibit divided nine \( 9 \) sections vatican library , archaeology , humanism , mathematics , music , medicine biology , nature described , wider world orient came rome , wider world ii rome went china section consists sub directory within exhibit directory contains exhibit text section separate jpeg image files object online exhibit includes objects library congress exhibit , also alternate objects \( brought rome used problem one primary objects \) items omitted later planning process exhibit interest medieval renaissance scholars particular , also art historians , historians science medicine , early music scholars , students humanist movement , students printing printed word , theologians , scholars far near eastern studies , information professionals please get readme file details files exhibit contains questions use ftp , speak local computer support person questions comments content exhibit , please write vatican kell loc gov questions comments system please contact k ellis k ellis special projects office library congress washington , dc 20540 9100 internet kell seq1 loc gov
matess gsusgi1 gsu edu \( eliza strickler \) subject donwloaded bin file unix machine \? organization georgia state university lines 17 donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format anyone know need file get dos , mac unix readable format someone mentioned fetch unix machine correct \? could someone explain bin format little \? thanks , elizabeth 0 0 elizabeth strickler 0 \( matess gsusgi1 gsu edu
focus csl uiuc edu \( \) subject final call papers organization center reliable high performance computing , university illinois urbana champaign lines 62 nntp posting host focus csl uiuc edu summary final neural networks shape analysis keywords paper , neural networks , shape analysis call papers progress neural networks special volume shape analysis series editor volume editor significant progress made recently shape analysis using neural networks energy concept publishing corporation planning special volume shape analysis , scheduled year volume part progress neural networks , annual book series reviewing research modelling , analysis , design application neural networks primary aim volume present , single volume , important achievements made important topic , otherwise scattered diverse literature authors invited submit original manuscripts detailing recent progress suggested topics include , limited shape modelling , shape estimation , shape recovery , shape representation , shape matching , surface reconstruction surface decomposition research work utilizing neural networks directly based energy techniques markov random field , mean field , simulated , graduated non algorithms resistive networks welcome paper tutorial nature , self contained preferably , necessarily , fifty double spaced pages length please send electronically \( prefer , send hardcopy address \) abstract outline ima enst fr may 30 , 1993 full paper must submitted july 31 , 1993 europe usa professor professor department images computer science department ecole superieure university district columbia des telecommunications 4200 connecticut ave n w 46 , rue washington c paris cedex 13 phone \( 202 \) 282 france fax \( 202 \) 282 fax 33 1 45 81 37 94 email bitnet email ima enst fr
organization penn state university scott wilson psuvm psu edu subject wanted books lines 16 n't net access , \( reply , 'll get message boss looking two books group papa john john phillips california dreaming \( told wrote , n't remember \) 'd prefer hardcover , paperback willing sell , e mail , 'll pass along thank scott wilson
ntuvax ntu ac sg \( \) subject card phones lines 5 nntp posting host v9000 ntu ac sg organization nanyang technological university singapore help understand operates values stored thanx
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 76 article 1993apr22 galileo cc rochester edu , as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes used think homosexuals ok gotten chance usenet know quite , 've realized misled youth homosexuals vicious , screwed , often really evil people 's load shit really naivete believe bozos soc motss characterize entire populace , need live little try soc bi , example 'll find almost exclusively bunch yet , characteristics soc motss fit quite well evidence available high promiscuity , child sexual abuse history , support child molestation advocacy groups like nambla , , etc well adjusted , friendly , people , case , think 'll find people quite different persona present usenet know , 're wonderful , enlightened human taking role hatemonger effect somehow doubt , though hatemonger someone reminds people homosexuals dying large quantities aids sexual compulsions prevented keeping number sexual partners four digits 've got clues \( \) i'm working pass laws \( b \) 's done name makes responsibility , see suppose kill someone name clayton cramer make murderer \? know , n't express disapproval , certainly would make suspicious , would n't \? morals n't would n't march parade group advocates child molestation n't stop homosexuals would n't march parade group like either 're talking nambla , think 'll find advocate child molestation also think 'll find vast majority homosexuals advocate sex adults children , lower limit age 's right , homosexuals n't believe adult five year old child molestation truck group anyway fooled march number gay parades around country clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , members sex , right \? live hypocrisy \? bi andrew simchik schnopia ! sure whatever consenting adults want private none government 's business ones want laws telling private quit lumping groups fact homophobia evil , unjustified prejudice , like racism sexism ca n't reject one drewcifer nothing like racism sexism choose homosexual homosexuality homosexuals clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
magnus acs ohio state edu subject x86 680x0 , compare \? \( also amiga \) organization ohio state university x mailer elm version 2 3 lines 50 david schnider bmug org wrote real question opinion motorola processors running sy stem 7 mac comparable intel processors running windows pc \? stuff deleted david even better 68000 based amiga 2000 perform daily tasks compared 68030 based iici answer , except cases , get butt kicked amiga sure considerations , goes show proper design beginning \( hardware software \) give great returns well showing n't marketing department speak , one care good system 've experience actually love mac interface number features , sorely speed use macs daily consultant osu statistics department i'm familiar almost every model , experience amiga atari st simply blow mac water terms performance time would general say advantages mac outweigh advantages amiga st \( falcon \) , really wish apple would get heads together speed \( \( \( \( \( could take real lesson tasking amiga os atari \( \( \( i'm still happy ci , n't understand performance bad \( comparatively \) could done multi tasking properly could done everthing else better apple n't \( course dos 6 windows 3 1 write home either ! ! \) hope someone comes machine everything well someday choice , would go mac aspects , add speed superior multi tasking platforms original topic trying compare chip machine seems almost worthless fast 386 bang graphics accelerator faster productivity many applications even stock quadra add graphics accelerator 486 really fly course , add one quadra 're blowing 486 away etc oh well , y'all got 2 00 worth price 0 02 think mine worth 0 01 ! david butler magnus acs ohio state edu novel tossed away lightly thrown great force dorothy parker
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject cb750 c flames exhaust ! ! ! ! organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 13 hey , lone biker apocalypse \( see raising arizona \) flames coming exhaust pipes love toggle kill switch sportster produce flaming , especially underneath overpasses night \( 's loud lights whole ! ! ! neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject bikes nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 14 jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada know syd meant wrote line \? \? damn , wrong newsgroup \? wrong newsgroup , syd mean wrote line \? erc , always curious dod 1138
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject homosexuality issues christianity reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 18 article may 11 02 39 05 1993 28328 athos rutgers edu carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) writes article may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu , anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion would love time energy problem totally fair would go throught type search every issue belive n't time , resources , ability ask maybe pray god gives opportunity instead simply discrediting able talk every gay christian christ 's love , bryan
berkeley edu \( dan \) subject program organization university california , berkeley lines 5 distribution world nntp posting host berkeley edu keywords \? \? \? \? wondering somebody knows pd program converting graphic formats fig , pic , , tek , etc thanks , dan
boebert sctc com \( earl boebert \) subject autodesk 3d concepts users \? organization sctc lines 6 user autodesk 3d concepts , willing answer small number short questions , please send email earl \( boebert sctc com \)
ioerger sophocles cs uiuc edu \( thomas ioerger \) subject logic backup \? organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 25 backing hard drive ever since install everything scratch crash \( learned hard way , n't \? ! \) using windows based backup program \( actually norton \) , began wondering logic sure , accidentally delete file , get archive disk crashes \? would able start windows run backup program ! \( note , crash , mean , error message prevented machine booting properly think gave early , n't time patience tools figure exactly problem hard drive needed cleaning anyway yeah right \) whole scenario complicated fact using stacker think 2 possibilities 1 \) i'm right disk really crashes , would least install dos windows get backup program working 2 \) i'm wrong easy way make mirror hard disk easily restore 's state scratch polls open tom ioerger univeristy illinois , cs grad student ioerger cs uiuc edu
alumni lakeheadu ca subject leafs revenge ! summary leafs take game two detroit ! ! organization external relations , lakehead university lines 6 tonight see toronto maple leafs , guessed , come hitting ! buds grind detroit ground walk away home ice advantage remainder series given shift toronto , last long \( keep mind \) get game however otherwise probert dominate physical front
bohnert leland stanford edu \( matthew bohnert \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 23 consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds 're definitely correct williams absolutely clark bonds must , mean must , get fastballs hit otherwise becomes little disguise would suggest perhaps batting bonds , williams , clark 3 4 5 , reason feel potential basestealing abilities wasted 's stuck behind two slow runners think chance getting 20 30 extra stolen bases bonds 3 spot would offset drop run production clark 5 spot matt
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject final solution gaza \? organization department redundancy department lines 19 article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes tell stay home \? \) sorry , terrible attempt alternative \? hell , n't know perfectly possible objections particular policy feeling alternative choice sealing gaza strip interesting side effect demonstrating non viability gaza independent state people going go find work separated israel \? complain show id cards way work , feel showing passports way work \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject super mega automobile sighting \( \) ! ! ! ! ! exotics together ! nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 60 article kjb constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) writes article phantom gatech edu grahamt phantom gatech edu \( graham e thomas \) writes jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) writes sighting fine beast remember , mustang forever true king road especially '68 shelby american gt \( king road , named steal gm 's planned camaro king road 's thunder \) maybe mustang forever king road , gt 40 n't road legal think gt 40 actually street legal , although particular question moot \( see price figures \) gt 40s street legal , n't car right hand drive \( n't like \? \) much gt 40 go \? many made \? found shelby american guide grand total 126 gt 40s built gt 40 coupes 55 gt 40 road cars 31 gt 40 mk ii 13 gt 40 mk iiis 7 gt 40 5 3 gt 40 mk ivs 12 total 126 additional mk iiis 6 12 twelve cars prototypes 48 racing coupes 31 road coupes eight mk ii coupes 4 mk iiis 3 mk iiis breakdowns follow list \( eg , 12 mk ivs \) breakdown given mk iiis prices \( bought \) around 1 million mark , last heard , projection 3 5 million \( thereabouts \) 2000 second penny \) shelby world manufacturer 's cup '65 also year retired shelby american racing team \( favor ford gt program next year \) victory broke 13 \( \? \) year winning streak well , 's lotsa info could spout , 'll refrain much information comes hot rod magazine 's shelby american cobra mustang guide , info shelby american fords could ever want know james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
aurora cc monash edu au \( nicola brown \) subject programming beeper ! organization monash university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 13 need able cause beep , without using interrupt routines , cannot use bios believe pic might something , i'm troubles information figure program ! i'm programming turbo c , makes diference please anyone help \? \? ! thanks , nicola
jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) subject ammo fire \( waco burning \) organization dixie communications public access mouth south lines 53 bressler iftccu ca boeing com \( rick bressler \) writes small arms rounds set outside firearm pose little risk except possibly eye injuries minor wounds true large concentrations ammo , \( type insert semi auto \) probably pose larger risk , mostly heat flame \( also covered reference \) risk smaller unless somehow confined heat early ignitions could somehow bulk heat remainder two years ago month house office burned office reloading bench top shelf next wooden ceiling 100 lbs smokeless powder , 5 lbs black powder , several thousand primers couple thousand loaded rounds , primarily , 30 20 308 fire extinguished area containing reloading supplies fully involved 1 2 char joists , subsequently removed lots heat words none powder kegs ignited one pistol powder ignited explosion , opened seam designed black powder cans charred got hot plastic completely melted ran inside powder contained mostly 8 lb cardboard metal kegs kegs charred badly enough paper labels burned completely case metal cans , plastic melted completely away many rounds cooked close proximity wood sides effects easy observe cases rifle ammo , cartridge cases ruptured middle many bullets found still neck small brass lightly stuck wood lightly enough would usually primers generally popped primer pockets rounds cooked left empty cases bullets laying around dents observed storage area , indicating bullets left cases slowly enough hazard ordinary small arms ammo hazard cooking regardless fbi says john john de armond , wd4oqc interested high performance mobility \? performance engineering magazine \( tm \) interested high tech computers \? marietta , ga send ur snail mail address jgd dixie com perform dixie com free sample mag lee harvey oswald ya need ya \?
cbnewsj cb att com \( james bessette \) subject good reasons wave organization lines 11 bike wave anyone looks sort like small town wide open spaces type thing someone louisiana mentioned \( like i'm arkansas mt \) kids especially fun \( watch cliff ! ! \) \) cage usually wave bikers usually n't wave back wife thinks 's strange n't care jim bessette james bessette att com
dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) subject dreams body incidents lines 38 hey folks , i'm fairly new groups , tho' heard 'd like get comments question mind lot morals ethics apply dreams body incidents \? normal dreams , ca n't control anything , obviously n't morally responsible actions contrive control action dreams oobe , seems like morality applies , seem 3 alternatives 1 \) dreams oobes totally mental phenomena case morality applies beyond might called , , trying think anything evil , overly sexy violent thoughts 2 \) dreams oobes reality \( e \) evidence often dreams oobes sometimes done common one person mark objective fact 1 people report objective experience case , interpersonal morality ethics applies dreams oobes waking life 3 \) like \( 2 \) , assume though oobe environs real existence , different moral ethics apply , \( maybe different \) moral laws apply one cases truth , anyone know another alternative \? respond post email thanks much dt
hasty netcom com \( amancio hasty jr \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 42 article 1993may13 taylor uucp mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes farrow ucsu colorado edu \( j scott farrow \) writes mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes markw pspmf3 gpsemi com \( mark wilkinson ext 3443 \) writes performance suck lemons running xserver clone clone almost name generating xstones 486 33mhz system get 15 tektronix xp11 terminals 900 , performance 80000 xstones i'm running linux xfree86 33mhz 486dx 4mb ram \( 8mb swap \) runs fine lot better crappy old xterminals labs school anyway come even close performance series , plus excuse , 486 50 256k cache , s3 928 isa card , 8mb \( x11r5 \) running 386bsd get 100k xstones 1024x768 doubt series gets commerical x servers s3 928 cards get xstones performance additionally since running unix multiple users use system done home setup maintenance minimal read readme files x servers 386bsd amancio hasty message brought letters x number 3 amancio hasty home \( 415 \) 495 3046 ftp site work e mail hasty netcom com epa gov pub 386bsd incoming
davidb deimos ucs umass edu \( david \) subject h e l p ! ! ! get com3 port working \? organization university massachusetts , amherst lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host deimos ucs umass edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 hello , 2 months 've attempted get either 3rd 4th serial port working system various systems diagnostics \( e g , msd , norton \) tell 's , anything hook ca n't use two serial ports motherboard set internal fax modem com4 utility programs report com3 've checked make sure irqs addresses correctly \( listed manuals \) set missing something basic \? go \? help , even point right direction , would appreciated david davidb student umass edu
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject good reasons wave organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 22 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article rd hydro ca , jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done every day n't notice let 's see many posts takes someone selectively quote article article rd hydro ca , jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes anyone , ever done \? win \? ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
christen astro ocis temple edu \( carl christensen \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization temple university lines 14 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 think main reason good old hacker days young \( er \) world , computer widespread increased popularity pc come plethora mundane business uses required practical minded narrower focused programmers hacker get good job programming databases programs \? basically , yuppies caught disciplined hackers , molded image carl christensen , , , dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser curiouser ! lc ``` philadelphia , pa usa
utarlg uta edu \( george smiley \) subject espn really sucks big time news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 24 cdash moet cs colorado edu \( charles shub \) writes us hockey automobile racing fans know exactly stand espn delays martinsville race day nfl draft espn shows baseball instead overtime nhl playoff game gimme break , guys really kept switching back forth baseball hockey stated could n't show overtime period turned back espn around 11 hockey great , pulled chair watched , first overtime period ended went back baseball coming back hockey something like 30 minutes later trying hockey baseball viewers time martinsville , wonder even bothered sign secret coincided draft let tnn broadcast \? george charlie shub cdash cs colorado edu
dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) subject texas hb 1776 voting today organization texas university , college station lines 8 distribution usa nntp posting host tamuts tamu edu called legislative bill tracking service found hb 1776 \( concealed carry \) scheduled floor vote today ! let phone calls roll daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject new encryption organization loral rolm mil spec computers lines 50 denning guvax acc georgetown edu clipper chip technical summary dorothy denning revised , april 21 , 1993 chips programmed mykotronx , inc , calls myk 78 silicon supplied vlsi technology inc clipper chips programmed inside scif \( secure information facility \) , essentially vault scif contains laptop computer equipment program chips 300 chips programmed single session scif located mykotronx acknowledgment distribution notice article based information provided nsa , nist , fbi , mykotronx permission distribute document granted , mykotronx , inc \? would nice know front company used intelligence agency u government trusting fox guard , seems suspicious rest sources , chip design \( \) examined verified silicon insure trap doors hidden protocols exist silicon , regardless security level encryption algorithm would shame three letter agency ability interrogate chip , 'd know someone rang , attempted go hook line went dead could even worse chip intended connect directly modem design examination done gate level anyone good idea tell piggyback design silicon \? model would extra logic sharing pins advertised function tip offs would circuitry would ignore incoming data formats sequence right think two ways output pin could used , possible might noticed , could edited netlist think silicon needs investigated imagine design done two layer , yet finding third layer microscope government asking lot blind trust encryption algorithm , operating protocols , agency physical control devices , silicon implementation 'd feel like keeping one hand wallet
jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com \( jeff cook \) subject vandalizing sky jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com pgf srl02 cacs usl edu csa2 lbl gov distribution world organization none lines 22 reply sichase csa2 lbl gov 's message 26 apr 93 18 10 00 gmt article csa2 lbl gov sichase csa2 lbl gov \( scott chase \) writes article pgf srl02 cacs usl edu , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com \( jeff cook \) writes people primitive tribes middle nowhere look see budweiser flying across sky seen movie already actually , idea , like good ideas , comes jules verne , gods must crazy comment top head n't aware already thought guess 's true 's nothing new sun \( case , flying billboards \) jeff cook jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com
sbp002 acad drake edu subject cardinals mailing list \? \? \? lines 15 nntp posting host acad drake edu organization drake university , des moines , iowa , usa article poe husc harvard edu , poe husc10 harvard edu \( leslie poe \) writes likewise , would love know cardinals mailing list please e mail information thanks lot les poe poe husc harvard edu fifth request find cardinals mailing list looks like one exist anyone initiative , creating list might worthwhile activity sam passer
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject part n't understand \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 44 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) writes certainly see opposing amen n't require opposing moment silence people proposing moment silence sham sneak prayers , must opposed hell prayers public schooling \? ask question devout christian 'll back anybody else besides see vicious circle \? guarantee people want school prayer n't going back ca n't even manage get quiet moment kids pray silently kids bloody well pray god damned time want nothing , heaven earth , government principal 's office , prevent way deal especially prayer silent \( bursting yisrael prayer might construed disruptive audible \) \) one ever prevented praying public school ! hardly even prevented study hall thought better someone posting uchicago address manage say nonsense without shame \? muslim students might complaint , prevented setting proper prayer times specified qu'ran jews would probably like opportunity daven whatever else require , appropriate times see complaining \( though muslims jews case christian ever heard able make \) christian insistence public , universal , enforced moment prayer h h h h h nothing inquisition american context offensive gospel christ michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
hayesj rintintin colorado edu \( hayes james michael jr \) subject program manager kills group files ! organization university colorado , boulder lines 33 nntp posting host rintintin colorado edu article qtr access digex net access digex com \( barry smith \) writes clue \? times enter win 3 1 progman says need rebuild group ! 's quite annoying ! 've problem maxtor turned smartdrive , 32 bit disk access , etc disk norton speed disk \( nu 4 5 \) , 8 times , requesting ndd run attempting defrag drive peoples' suggestion reformatted drive reloaded dos 5 0 , win 3 1 scratch people found installing 3 1 top 3 1 beta top 3 0 caused similar problem , tried drastic solution problem , n't brains load 6 0 drive get arround annoyance copying grp files gro get message , run file manager copy group files gro ove grp quit restart windows \( group often used important one \) really sucks i'm pretty sure problem drive \( especially problem \) going 66 memory finals 2 4 weeks , guy bought disk system , goes either fixes replaces drive ca n't wait system run consistently hte goodies ! mike hayes knowledge good faber college motto www knowledge thoroughness poly motto unemployed tech , , thank ! groucho marx , 'a day races' driven banging head engineering physics 4 years
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject vandenberg launches \? organization u toronto zoology lines 10 article 1993may15 mri com mri com \( paul carroll \) writes know phone numbers , etc get kennedy canaveral launch information , equivalent way finding launches vandenberg \? bear mind lot vandenberg launch traffic military least semi secret n't interested beforehand svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
ron roth rose com \( ron roth \) subject frequent nosebleeds x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 73 replies original posting , 's evident people enough mucous keep nose lining protected include small amounts hot , spicy foods meals 's cure , many people find helpful create extra mucus may also consider taking drops juice water \( consult doctor first ! \) , available otc canada lifestyle , exercising sometimes helps environmental influences \( ie , dry air \) 've responses anyone experience rutin another newsgroup might specifics remedies \? robert allison tried e mail , board internet problems , i'm sure whether got information rutin rutin herb , part bioflavonoid complex generally take rutin , take whole bioflavonoid complex instead n't \( exceptions \) 'll eventually create deficiency , major component bioflavonoid complex found hard way years ago recommended rutin , showed deficient patients deficient fore later almost always showed subsequent deficiency , , , made always add anyone low levels rutin time people equally low rutin , really reason take rutin , use whole bioflavonoid complex instead several thousand patients taking many claiming helped , , chronic nose bleeds , , intestinal bleeding \( due drugs \) , etc one patient desperation took whole bottle \( 100 's \) one day painful , bleeding , without ill effects also non toxic high amounts , 's safely recommended allergic citrus fruit \( made \) , pine bark sources available well 90 patients tested show bioflavonoid deficiency , average daily dosage needed 1 2 , major complaints , 4 6 , day common case cannot taken , size taste \( big , n't taste great \) , product made pine bark extract gives effect tablets quite small taste much better , however cost seven times higher equivalent effect one tablet pine bark extract gives effect 1 , name pine bark product ' canadian brands carrying quest 1 , big , bitter , swiss smooth , easier swallowing medium , bitter , \( \) small , easy swallowing give try see happens good luck ! ron roth internet rn rose com rosenet ron roth eating strange results , tom said rosereader 2 10 p003228 entered rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton \( 416 \) 575 5363
pat fegmania wustl edu \( pat niemeyer \) subject self destructing copy protection vhs tape \? organization washington university saint louis , mo usa lines 22 reply pat fegmania wustl edu nntp posting host fegmania wustl edu originator pat fegmania schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) writes always thought wanted send police tape ransom demand , send cnn video tape see wanted buy , would place small magnet near take spool tape would erased played would think check \? exceptionally cool idea would work \? strong field needed \? anyone \? pat fegmania wustl edu c c , nancy , christmas carols kind stereo hell \( \) chris , abc news ` \( 314 \) 851
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject manual shift bigots reply pebi aem umn edu 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 06 01 05 gmt lines 21 crh regent e technik tu muenchen de engr washington edu 1993apr21 1501 rtsg mot com 1993apr22 pony ingres com pebi zephyr aem umn edu organization ibm toronto lab article pebi zephyr aem umn edu pebi aem umn edu \( peter bidian \) writes another advantage manuals start car pushing shifting second gear n't work automatic peter record , read owner 's manual attempting push start manufacturers today recommend \( think catalytic converter primary reason gas goes may ignite converter gets operating range \) best reason manual \? like drive one find much easier develop lazy habits auto trans car remember , pay attention stupidity behind wheel still taken people morgue drunk driving problem n't revoke peoples license stupidity jeff goss
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject heroes cowards karabakh armenians summary fight survival keywords typo correction organization p center regional studies lines 28 article 1993may13 urartu sdpa org dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) wrote dd taking sides leaves one state perpetual dd sides issue logic given time dd armenian partisan definition however , give obviously goes evidenced context dd license lie , cover , revise events question read dd usenet postings agents turkish government understand dd sides issue , mean advocate sides dd suits position would make hypocrite also dd paid agents turkey azerbaijan many proponents dd azeri side refer agents international group , dd ltd , paid excess 30 , 000 month azerbaijan state case dd advocacy prostitution thanks mr cg david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
med unc edu \( david c \) subject quality management nntp posting host med unc edu organization unc ch school medicine lines 1
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject space dock lines 22 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks idea repair satellites warning getting creative build inflatable space dock basically deploy one side space dock \( using shaped structure , saw beyond 2000 \) , side next satellite move rest dock around satellite seal inflate dock gas \( oxygen , non , non damaging satellite abel maintain heat \) , space dock \( astronaut working satellite able wear normal bulky space suit , much striped \) know might take slot work \? \? \? plain wierd , ideas need thought , tomorrow , imagination present michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
ps ic ac uk \( erik viking \) subject thyroidal deficiency organization imperial college computer centre lines 31 nntp posting host ps hi wife aquired thyroidal \( sp \? \) deficiency past year gives symptoms needing much sleep , coldness gaining weight doctor taken ordinary \( \? \) tests values regarded low doctor \( wife \) interested starting medication gland , giving life long dependency drug \( hormone \? \) last couple seeing \( sp \? \) given drops activate either thyroidal gland center' brain \( sorry approximate language , n't got many clues english terms , brain area called norwegian \) questions anyone heard success using approach \? values \( slowly \) steadily sinking , comment probability improvement \? although doctor told , wife vigorously keep weight feels part keeping edge illness condition , may affect treatment , development \? get exact figures tests anyone interested , greatly value information opinion experience topic n't intend post either flaming established medical profession praise alternatives , events happened sincerely , erik
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject vandalizing sky organization express access online communications usa lines 13 distribution sci nntp posting host access digex net article inc 1 cs cmu edu 18084tm msu edu \( tom \) writes hand , lived il , laws prohibit billboards , mention think fine law , despite 's contradictory basis lived nice farm valley butler family decided stick sorts really tacky high rise office buildings ruin view sky guess sued somebody pat
eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject chomsky reply aap wam umd edu 's message 24 may 1993 19 17 34 gmt lines 9 reply eggertj mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 caught tail end piece npr \( national public radio \) chomsky apparently new documentary concepts propagandist news media west , funny thing npr painted chomsky documentary positive light , least ended report positive way documentary showing cities us , open cities june sorry , forgot title jim eggertj mit edu \( jim eggert \)
ulkyvx louisville edu \( kendall sears \) subject hacker ethic go \? lines 46 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu organization university louisville hacker ethic go \? hackers 70 's comfortably employed supporting families next generation takes radical lead n't look radicalism among us old ones 're gone perhaps us hackers become \( ick \) professionals \? noticed associates progression hackers computer professionals rather occurs series things happen 1 \) one 's ego one 's talent knowledge 2 \) one 's financial situation takes precedence 3 \) change priorities \( esp family \) possibly leading 2 \) 4 \) hacker 's attitude makes shift fun work 5 \) one 's burns away creativity needed hobby biggest killer \( imo \) 6 \) one 's dreams \( sadly \) shattered hard rocks society 's version reality without dream motivation dies , without motivation effort seems useless another set problems stems children us remember several completely different computer systems , children growing choices \( msdos mac amiga \) enjoy diversity remember great computer early eighties forced stop using skills developed systems dead diversity systems allowed widely divergent paradigms period forced hackers continually learn new systems attempt keep mention program needed forced \( situations \) write commercial offering available children taught user mentality number us old timers replaced next generation kendall kendall sears ulkyvx louisville edu programmer child development unit amiga department pediatrics currently running 3 0 university louisville xx supporting unix sys v rev 4 life game play order win must make difference remember practice session
jesse eye com \( jesse \) subject fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon , needed organization 3d eye , inc ithaca , ny lines 20 article cc swin edu au alan saturn cs swin oz au \( alan christiansen \) writes believe algorithms get draw convex polygons much efficient draw concave self intersecting polygons efficiency largely attributed fact simple convex polygons left right edge scan line complex \( figure 8 type polygons \) bit trickier true convex algorithm faster general concave multi outline algorithm , tremendously faster spent awhile implementing optimizing flavors , convex turned 10 faster c \( hp pa risc compiler got inner loop shooting span fast possible , far could tell \) sort game database render known ahead time , made convex definitely way go p sorry code cannot made public domain jesse jesse 3d eye , inc , ithaca ny jesse eye com \( 607 \) 257
karen angelo amd com \( karen black \) subject touring southwest organization advanced micro devices , santa clara , ca lines 21 bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes kim fatcity cts com \( kim sharpe \) writes us touring utah mid june see canyons helpful hints stay things see avoid plans see bryce , zion , arches grand close point additional trip required \? well , 's closer bryce bryce arches 'd spend lot time studying maps , 's lot ca n't get area might want hit grand canyon way california , loop around moab arches , back towards bryce zion way home make sure ride us 12 capitol reef bryce , 's number top 10 roads lists highway 12 great road sure stop anasazi \( sp \) village museum near boulder creek interesting lifestyle \) views dixie national forest stunning karen black
tartarus uwa edu au \( neil \) subject cga windows 3 1 organization university western australia lines 11 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 hi i`m looking assistance locating information run win 3 1 cga monitor setup suggests look manual , guy i`m helping part large office computer assistance must booked advance , therefore cant get windows onto cga system thanx anticipation neil
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject best first basemen lines 9 article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu says mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! \? bob vesterman
cs yorku ca \( chin h lam \) subject gateway 2000 zeos compare article distribution world organization york university , dept computer science lines 8 think buying new computer mail order , looking gateway 2000 66v zeos 's system better \( terms value , price , , service \) , canada , wonder level service states \? thank advice ! thomas
vm temple edu \( james \) subject drop drawers doctor see organization temple university lines 26 nntp posting host vm temple edu organization temple university x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 last week went see never met doctor , know soon arrived , somebody showed examining room handed told \( waist , exact \) wait doctor usual drill go doctor first time \? n't much experience going doctors \( knock wood \) , couple occasions 've gone new doctor , met clothes first , introduced , asked took history , patients usually expected get naked meeting doctor first time \? personally , 'd prefer meet doctor something remotely resembling condition parity establish identity person wears clothes dropping drawers nothing else , time spend self conscious , ill ease vulnerable condition person bare bottom talking somebody fully clothed anybody besides regard get naked first talk attitude insensitive \? also , unusual \? james email vm temple edu
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject vandalizing sky organization texas instruments inc lines 65 c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes suggesting minority professional amateur astronomers right dark , uncluttered night sky whence right stem , overrides 'rights' rest us \? let give example watch tv , commercials pay programming accept part watching n't like , turn want view night sky , floating billboard , ca n't turn 's reasoning limits billboards scenic areas want view television station , watch commercials ca n't turn still viewing television station words , n't like see , n't look 'right' think force people conform idea aesthetic behaviour 's next , laws regulating people must dress look appeal fashion sense , since 'right' aesthetic view \? pat writes george 's called democracy majority rules sorry n't like , suggest modify constitution include constitutional right dark skies theory government majority rules , except nature fundamental civil rights say reasonably depth perusal american history show many wasps continued practices prejudice , discrimination , violence others different races , religions , beliefs , despite law topic discussion \? pat says really annoyed , get legislation create dark sky zone , light emissions protected zone kind like national radio quiet zone know \? near teh radio telescope observatory west virginia , 90 \? \? \? \? \? \? mile zone theoretically prevent running light ac motors , like air conditioners practice , use mostly control large radio users say i'm objecting floating billboard , presumably , would move around sky , one , legislating wish people bit common courtesy , would consider greed money impacts ethereal aesthetic values make us human includes need wild unspoiled things , including night sky oh , see n't want legislation might impinge want everyone else planet want insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
uky edu subject pregnency without sex \? nntp posting host uky edu organization university kentucky x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 27 article 137 r node hub org taob r node hub org \( brian tao \) writes article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu , harry matthews writes 've heard community swimming pools refered public urinals else going \? swim nude public swimming pool \? \) doubt sperm penetrate material , assuming n't immediately dispersed water currents brian tao taob r node hub org \( r node bbs , 416 249 5366 , free ! \) wave scar utoronto ca \( university toronto \) go u uk k university gary w gregory u uk k kentucky uky edu u uu kk k kk department ob gyn ms 335 medical center lexington , kentucky
woods ncar ucar edu \( greg woods \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization scientific computing division ncar boulder , co distribution na lines 21 article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes course , claiming \( \) galarraga 's inability defer gratification n't hurting team n't paid walk rbi guy whatever alright , 's enough 've suffered kinds insults \( typical net \) , give break galarraga currently batting 400 guys complaining n't drawing enough walks would please guys , bat 1 000 \? hardly claim hurting team happens pitchers start throwing fewer good pitches starts making lots outs \( someone speculated might happen \) , would agree n't taking enough pitches comment n't paid walk n't mean license swing bad pitches make outs 's along lines 's batting 400 leading league rbi 's bloody difference make n't drawing lot walks \? sheesh greg
email sps mot com \( jim \) subject toyota land cruiser worth \? nntp posting host 222 18 80 28 organization major semiconductor company lines 37 article iftccu ca boeing com , iftccu ca boeing com \( paul \) wrote based experience '79 \( hard top jeep style model \) would definitely give new model consideration market older models well built unless toyota lost mind , would assume , proven otherwise , newer models inherited qualities ancestors two major differences running gear \( i'm aware \) need study '79 solid front axle housing whereas newer models independant front suspension solid axle theoretically stronger new cruisers independent suspension front still run straight axle , coils 4runner one independent front cruisers incredible wheel travel system reliable newer model , experience tell independant front suspension , doubt , compromise made satisfy typical user , never need real utility vehicle second difference type transfer case used newer models i'm sure , think went full time 4wd wheel drive system older lock type advantages disadvantages 91 cruiser full time 4wd , center diff locks low range brother 91 incredibly sturdy vehicle done 4 trails moab without tow 93 later even better bigger engine locking diffs jim 85 toyota 4wd pickup email sps mot com 72 lemans sport convertible tempe , arizona
discover wright edu \( chris thompson \) subject font size dos window 800x600x256 nntp posting host organization wright state university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 1
belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( belville \) subject sale organization drexel university , philadelphia lines 12 article 1993apr25 magnus acs ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu \( kenneth w miller \) writes ken , tell us ken ! andy andy belville 's taken long time , 've belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu fallen love beautiful woman
cuz chaos cs brandeis edu \( cousin \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization knows lines 14 stevet eskimo com \( steven thornton \) writes official mlb formula obp \( hits plus walks plus hit pitch \) divided \( bats plus walks plus hit pitch plus sacrifice flies \) sac errors effect source total baseball \( sure might error recorded , example , ground ball , ie batter would otherwise , officially bat 's type error \( greenwell lets single go \) , n't effect obp , errors counted cuz
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject insensitive technicians organization um anesthesiology lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxdate fri , 30 apr 93 22 38 51 gmt article ceti cs unc edu john eyles , jge cs unc edu writes friend 's unpleasant experience ct scan deleted anything pigs \? 'd suggest writing detailed letter incident hospital administrator specify date time possible names technicians send copy whose care friend admitted say , though friend argument doctor , found administrators sometimes ignore complaints patient becomes may informed complaint surprised find named suit response within week send follow letter attach photocopy original letter weekly get response cat scans non invasive scary scanner bad place interesting study , 10 years ago , found around 10 people cat scans found unpleasant would never another compares 15 said lumbar puncture mackie opinions
add sciences sdsu edu \( james murray \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 11 nntp posting host sciences sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 bill gates steve jobs result natural evolution successful hacker either make money , go jail \( lee sp \? \) , fade away oh , 's uncle really likes computers computer hacker change long definition word computer continues change james murray add sciences sdsu edu
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject overreaction \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 12 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net good points addition , would point one best times fight political battle , much opposition fbi director \( sessions \) way , attorney general \( reno \) long enough find office coffee machine two tries three \( , slow clinton 's saturday night massacre , n't much staff place \) really get lucky , busy trying keep feet held waco fire spend much effort insisting alleged right spy american people swear , n't finished yet james kirk , st iii
kharkov ua \( \) subject supply distribution world organization kharkov , host reply kharkov ua lines 27 private industrial firm 2000 supply could delivered according order selection preparation materials carried qualified personnel 20 year experience sphere provide selection tissues \( special request \) aids , syphilis infection diseases tests bio chemical tests guarantee deliverance products within temperature providing prime condition st 39 apart 49 kharkov , ukraine tel 7 \( \) 2 fax 7 \( \) 2 , e mail kharkov ua relay ussr eu net
st1ge elroy uh edu \( edward hui \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization university houston lines 26 reply st1ge elroy uh edu nntp posting host elroy uh edu article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu , punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes heading indicates , impossible fathom barry batting 4th giants behind clark barry awesome consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants 2 simple reasons \( 1 \) batting williams ahead bonds create left \( clark \) , right \( williams \) , left \( bonds \) situation middle batting order makes tougher opposing manager change pitchers \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds edward hui
joe advtech uswest com \( joe thielen \) subject deal blue book value auto \? organization u west advanced technologies lines 48 nntp posting host advtech uswest com article news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes newton convex com \( vicki newton \) writes process buying new auto n't decided yet whether sell current car trade part new auto purchase know blue book value car 2825 offered give blue book value car wondering standard measure negotiating resale price hope get money someone else exactly blue book value based \? know year \( 88 \) car low mileage \( 50 , 000 \) excellent working condition dings exterior \( nothing major \) facts alter fair selling p rice car \? looking rip anyone , naturally want get best price car thanks million , veek think blue book nada handbook used car prices , \? blue book value given retail wholesale value \? \? \? blue book value n't set stone , though low milage , extra addons stuff like increase resale price car , may want head local library borrow friends blue book read sort stuff paid 400 bb \( retail \) '87 civic 1990 , perfect condition 14 5k miles guy desparate sell , new kid way , etc , good price remeber , buyer , sort brains , using blue book , pick fair price chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area mileage chart available book usually goes class car year usually end adding hundred dollars retail price consumer reports also number call get quote area friend mine used , quite happy service believe cost 10 00 joe
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 23 article 1993apr23 megatek com randy megatek com writes go change laws physics \? \) according numbers used see bandied around , shaft drive order 95 97 efficient , chain drive closer 99 seems makes chain drive efficient , hmmmmm \? \? \? well maintained chains , running oil , without little rubber 'o' rings cause losses , might reach 99 efficiency average open dust 'o' ring motorcycle chain probably difficult job making 90 efficient tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
ing puc cl \( eid \) subject \? nntp posting host ing puc cl organization pontificia universidad catolica de chile x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 14 hello anybody help find program converts format named raw \( also known img \) gif format jpeg one 's desirable unix machine pc \( raw format n n image file contain tail n n characters , one referencing k n j pixel image , k j lies 0 n 1 \) ing puc cl
thompson apple com \( paul thompson \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , california lines 29 nntp posting host apple com inde7wv rosie uh edu writes hear screeching tires dart eyes mirrors realize 's flying right behind , panic pop clutch stall bike luckily guy stops foot behind rear wheel understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? experience describe n't like sit bike gear figure 's chance 'll startled way stall bike figure likely chance 'll unable escape situation extra time needed put bike gear concentrate avoiding situations rather making split second evasive split lanes i'm end line \( unfortunately legal country \) ca n't split \( perhaps n't room \) stop near one side lane easy escape , leave bike gear next car stopped watch mirrors mean time make sure ! whether really would time move car fail stop , n't find yet cars annoying racing behind braking , hard tell planning brake ! summary , position easy exit , watch mirrors 's clear paul thompson apple computer
facman ohsu edu \( marie e \) subject sciatica distribution usa organization oregon health sciences university lines 1 nntp posting host facman ideas relief sciatica please respond e mail
kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? nntp posting host heath utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 20 article 1993apr22 midway uchicago edu jacquier uchicago edu \( eric jacquier \) writes interested trying \( \? \) method hay fever state affairs went doctor paid 85 10 minute interview 3 scratches , leading diagnostic allergic \( june timothy \) grass believe looks like 2 shots per week 6 months followed 1 shot per month shot costs 20 talking soaring costs health care system , would call racket talking rare , garbage grows behind doctor 's office apart issue , somewhat disappointed find keep getting shots forever right \? thanks information go public library get february , 1988 issue consumer reports article allergy shots begins page 96 article must reading anyone contemplating allergy shots
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject opinion means organization duke university durham , n c lines 48 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil dsc3jfs nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil \( jim small \) writes article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes since occurance , 've paid many dollars renumerance , taken drunk class , , yes , listened self righteous assholes like think rest world 've never little dd suaree us n't fucking stupid cock sucking asshole 's n't little dd suaree i'm soo impressed 've spend precious little dollars make stupid act go fuck friends killed drunk driving assholes like infante 2 children friends drunk driving assholes like infante 2 's self righteous asshole , weak willed fuck head \? think , small , feeble minded , yeah , one stupid little act people like gonna get 're thick excuses skull sized piece shit call brain \? n't go back rock navy provided homophobic racist sexist asshole friends give daily rim jobs place opinion belongs , ass ! \? , alternatively , blow , closeted wannabe andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
athena mit edu \( wayne r dempsey \) subject computer equipment garage sale ! ! ! organization massachusetts institute technology lines 124 distribution usa nntp posting host venus mit edu computer equipment garage sale 've finally decided clean get rid stuff broken used 've put together list indicated think item worth estimate , open offers , including trades i'm currently looking cd roms work mac cd rom player cd , hd floppy disks , used macintosh software , 387 33mhz co processor , basically anything lying around \( cans soup , neighbor 's cat , etc \) make offer , offer overlooked really want get rid stuff ok , 's list 52 meg 3 5 scsi hard drive conner model cp bought guy swap meet use macintosh unfortunately , ca n't seem get work scsi controller computer guy tested pc , printed copy norton disk doctor report says bad sectors \( 'll send copy \) dumb enough get phone number , ca n't return drive many jumpers , \( n't know set \) maybe 's problem quite disappointed n't work i'm trying minimize losses 45 52 meg 3 5 scsi hard drive conner model cp situation bought drives guy despite different model numbers exact drive report ndd \( one drive \) included 45 40 meg sony 3 5 scsi hard drive sony model drive mechanism completely trashed hard drive computer \( mac se \) problem well , repeated banging side computer resulted head crash \( yes , metal scraping metal \) pleasant listen still scsi controller card good working order , used parts , project 20 65 meg seagate 5 25 hh scsi hard drive model st originally bought drive , small problem , though could fix well determined drive mechanism fine , controller problem \( motor controller n't sending proper signals \) well , taking controller drive , looking , putting back together , realized accidentally severed one small flat cables connect drive controller tried solder , i'm good soldering could n't worked perfectly messed used temporary drive sony \( \) crashed also loaded drive twenty mac applications , worth well 1000 \( claris cad , ms word 5 0 , think c , excel , many others \) think needs cable also get software drive \( accept pirate \) ask delete data files drive really angry broke connection , could n't fix n't time play 65 isdn 7500 modem use digital phone systems know would like technical information , let know tech documents supposed thing digital phone , without phone part seems working order \( passes self test perfectly ok \) idea worth let know 're interested motorola coprocessor n't tested one yet , anyone interested get tested , make sure works trouble using accelerator board , spoke manufacturer board found could n't used without another controller chip looking around buy one new , prices around 100 guarantee work 65 cga card half length 8 bit n't working last time checked \( although think using bad monitor \) 5 5 25 360k floppy drive ibm drive type guaranteed work , took pc , working ! 25 5 25 360k floppy drive toshiba model number nd guaranteed work came pc 25 5 25 floppy drives ca n't guarantee work n't even know low high density drives n't method testing panasonic model number ju 455 5 acg 's another number 2626 panasonic model number ju 475 2 's also another number toshiba model number nd virtually identical one drive 10 3 5 ps 2 drive things proprietary , ca n't test , think works sure 's high density low density , suppose someone looking one would know model number think things expensive replace 35 mfm hard drive controller cards 've got three , way testing two 8 bit cards , one sixteen bit card floppy controller built 10 8 bits 15 16 bit card w floppy interesting cable seems convert vga plug ega plug , standard nine pin vga 15 pin made hewlett packard part 10 've sold stuff like , huge success , many satisfied people trading stuff n't need anymore usually ship u postal service \( n't problems yet \) shipping costs split negotiated well , 's folks said , offer refused convince give instead throwing , try ! hate throw away stuff wayne athena mit edu \( 617 \) 225
wampyr cc uow edu au \( glen k moore \) subject fax email wanted louis friedman planetary society organization university wollongong , nsw , australia lines 7 nntp posting host wampyr cc uow edu au summary want obtain fax email address planetary society keywords planetary friedman available please send glen moore director science centre wollongong , australia fax 61 42 email cc uow edu au
apland mala bc ca \( ron apland \) subject dos6 novell netware organization malaspina college lines 21 article usenet ins cwru edu , cu826 cleveland freenet edu \( mahbub \) writes friend mine installed dos6 work hooked novell network , running netware 386 v 3 11 problem 's doublespace program using drive 'h' swap drive , networks mapped drives switch place swap drive drive \? please e mail thanks bunch ! ! mahbub cu826 cleveland freenet edu determine last dblspace drive required set lastdrive config sys using might want go couple drives higher give shared drive space reboot novell set first drive one lastdrive config sys might remap novell drives originally mapped lower drives make sure bat file whatever using log onto novell set correct drive \( one lastdrive setting config sys file \)
mckee cs buffalo edu \( douglas mckee \) subject ghost sweeney 's past organization state university new york buffalo cedar research group lines 40 originator mckee cs buffalo edu nntp posting host cs buffalo edu wow , guy seems prove something old team , boston sweeney ask well , course bob sweeney , one boston let buffalo get hold \( still 2 makes things slightly confusing \) game winner ot game 1 , another big goal \( seconds fuhr made 3 point blank saves grant 5 rings ! ! ! \) put buffalo ahead 3rd yes , neely countered minute later , n't course buffalo going ahead tied shutting another great scoring opportunities , think boston would first win series well , sabres n't made end series yet , certainly feel 've got boston right want actually , 've got position neither buffalo boston felt would come one astronomical game fuhr , rest team \( team sport afterall \) think borque , neely , \( sp \? \) , company gonna swinging new stick \( weather perfect golf season \) real soon i'm gonna anything , 've seen really strange things happen pro college hockey talking golf hockey swing , golf swing baseball swing used last shot game khmylev deflected big one \? whole ot \( 1 minute ! \) buffalo 's ability really persistent grind end \( something n't necessarily regular season \) sabres pushed hard forced borque take opening seconds n't normally like penalties called ultra critical points , blatent finally , sabres faceoff \( n't hot dept rest game \) lafontaine puck 3 times took shot \( quite boomer , blue stopped one \) took steps get rebound slapped , without setting n't realize went announcer started screaming , score , score ! ! ! best seeing lafontaine jumping , skating little bit , jumping , skating brad may jumped doug mckee mckee cs buffalo edu
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject bowman needs credit lines 32 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 gerald olchowy \( golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \) wrote bowman genius johnson n't bowman great coach johnson , good one however , bowman really modern coach , patrick 's solution run team game days , delegate day day assistants shrewd managerial decision patrick 's part imho bowman perfect coach group players time johnson perfect coach two years ago group players would say lucky pittsburgh order coaches came one \( excluding unfortunate circumstances brought change \) immense talent penguins roster year , tougher bowman keeps egos check johnson hand , able inspire younger , inexperienced players new heights coaches different strengths came exactly right time another person also mentioned bowman perfect coach time since nobody argue decisions argue coach best record hockey anyway \? playing great coach like demands respect also keeps egos check couple ideas tom huot huot cray com
holfeltz lstc2vm stortek com subject merlin , mithras magick nntp posting host lstc2vm stortek com organization storagetek sw engineering x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 31 article anarky tch org anarky tch org \( \) writes 've read many things like past , yet quite blatant comparison christian pagan , roman myth practice historical \? often merlin myrddin associated roman gods \? often associated mithras \? anyone know mithras originated \? asia \? part \? thyagi abyss com worship predates many ways similar mystery cult , \( worship information available members tests passed stage , new info offered worshipper similar masons one way \) mithras , sun deity \( went darkness , reborn \) , inspired hope fought darkness popular charismatic worship originated persia linked ahura mazda wow , news started know , paul nt fame nasty , get clue , read mysteries ! hey n't anyone read manly p hall 's works \? perhaps might worth try cults threatened eclipse however suffered one fatal flaw accepted free men members took women slaves anyone could get
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization georgia institute technology lines 12 roger , shut thank go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
jek cu nih gov subject trinity lines 27 james green writes ca n't someone describe someone 's trinity simple sentences common meaning \? offer four attempts first essay \( largely attempts two three \) , obtainable sending message get trinity analogy listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inre asu edu second couple books dorothy l sayers play called zeal thy house , non fiction book called mind maker play found book four sacred plays , also various collections , including one called religious drama \( meridian books \) one called best plays 1937 third book mere christianity c lewis , particularly last section , called beyond personality fourth book called theology beginners , roman catholic writer frank say find 's approach altogether satisfying , know persons whose minds respect , james kiefer
klaes verga enet dec com \( larry klaes \) subject electronic journal asa \( ejasa \) april 1993 keywords venus , venera , soviet , probes organization digital equipment corporation lines 663 electronic journal astronomical society atlantic volume 4 , number 9 april 1993 table contents asa membership article submission information soviets venus , part 3 larry klaes asa membership information electronic journal astronomical society atlantic \( ejasa \) published monthly astronomical society atlantic , incorporated asa non profit organization dedicated advancement amateur professional astronomy space exploration , well social educational needs members asa membership application open interest astronomy space exploration members receive journal asa \( hardcopy sent united states mail duplicate electronic journal \) astronomical league 's reflector magazine members may also purchase discount subscriptions astronomy sky telescope magazines information membership , may contact society 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union 's mighty proton rockets lifted space center republic aboard boosters new breed venera probe planet venus designated venera 15 16 , probes meant landing yet spherical craft venerean surface radar map planet detail orbit accomplish task , basic venera design modified numerous areas central bus core made one meter \( 39 37 inches \) longer carry two tons propellant required braking orbit , double fuel carried venera 9 10 orbiters eight years earlier extra solar panels added give vehicles power handling large amounts data would created radar imaging dish shaped communications antennae also made one meter larger properly transmit information earth atop buses , landers usually placed , installed 1 4 6 meter \( 4 62 19 8 foot \) , 300 kilogram \( 660 pound \) v side looking radar antennae radar system , possibly terrain imaging version nuclear powered satellites used soviets earth ocean surveillance , would able map venus' surface resolution one two kilometers \( 0 62 1 2 miles \) soviet imaging parameters vast improvement united states pioneer venus orbiter , could reveal objects smaller 75 kilometers \( 45 miles \) diameter resolution comparable similar observations made 300 meter \( 1 , 000 foot \) radio telescope island puerto rico , orbiters would examining northern pole venus region either pioneer venus appeared contain number potentially interesting geological features worthy investigation october 10 , 1983 , interplanetary journey 330 million kilometers \( 198 million miles \) two mid course corrections , venera 15 fired braking rockets venus place polar orbit 1 , 000 65 , 000 kilometers \( 600 39 , 000 miles \) around planet , completing one revolution every twenty four hours venera 16 followed suit four days later twin probes thus became venus' first polar circling spacecraft radar operations began october 16 venera 15 october 20 venera 16 sixteen minutes every orbit north pole , probes would make radar sweep surface 150 kilometers \( ninety miles \) wide nine thousand kilometers \( 5 , 400 miles \) long craft would head highest part orbits south pole batteries transmit data back two large soviet antennae earth strip information took eight hours process computer end main missions july 1984 , veneras mapped 115 million square kilometers \( 46 million square miles \) , thirty percent entire planet venera 15 16 revealed venus surface geology complex shown pioneer venus late 1970s numerous hills , mountains , ridges , valleys , plains spread across landscape , many apparently formed lava erupting volcanoes last one billion years planetary terms makes venerean surface rather young hundreds craters detected well , largest created meteorites \( would better term \) least fourteen kilometers \( 8 4 miles \) across , due venus' dense atmosphere disagreements u soviet scientists origins certain surface features example , owners declared 96 kilometer \( 57 6 mile \) wide crater summit 10 , 800 meter \( 35 , 640 foot \) high maxwell , mountain planet , result meteorite impact american scientists , hand , felt crater proof maxwell huge volcano sitting northern continent ishtar terra event , u decided wait making verdicts venus arrival radar probe , scheduled later decade originally named venus orbiting imaging radar \( \) , initial design scaled back craft venus radar mapper \( \) eventually machine would called magellan , portuguese navigator ferdinand magellan \( circa \) vehicle would map entire planet even detail veneras time , however , soviet probes maintained distinction radar imaging ability veneras next v radar antenna omega altimeter fourier infrared spectrometer , latter measuring world 's temperatures majority areas covered registered five hundred degrees celsius \( 932 degrees fahrenheit \) , locations two hundred degrees hotter , possibly indicating current volcanic activity probes also found clouds poles five eight kilometers \( three 4 8 miles \) lower equator contrast , polar air sixty kilometers \( thirty six miles \) altitude five twenty degrees warmer equatorial atmosphere similar heights main mapping mission ended july 1984 , plans least one veneras radar image surface latitudes unfortunately idea come pass , orbiters may possessed enough attitude control gas perform operation venera 15 16 ceased transmission march 1985 , leaving soviet institute electronics six hundred kilometers \( 360 miles \) radar data tape sort atlas twenty seven maps northern hemisphere venus venus balloon years thick atmosphere venus tempting target scientists wished explore planet 's mantle air balloon borne instruments professor jacques french space agency centre national d'etudes \( \) proposed idea far back 1967 , joint french soviet balloon mission canceled 1982 nevertheless , late year 1984 , dreams would eventually come true two proton rockets sent december 15 21 , soviet union provided western observers first clear , full views booster launching every soviet venus probe since 1975 one many complex mission unmanned probes launched space december named vega 1 2 , contraction words venera russian word halley spacecraft one mission perform , also one celestial objective explore , namely comet halley famous periodic traveler making latest return inner regions solar system since last visit since widely believed comets icy remains formation solar system five billion years ago , scientists around world gave high priority exploring one bodies actually come close earth comets cold dark outer solar system , like halley , various forces fall towards sun , circle millennia spewing ice debris millions kilometers warmth solar encounter soviet union , along european space agency \( esa \) japan 's institute space astronautical science \( isas \) , wish miss first opportunity human history make close examination halley esa would using cylindrical giotto probe make dangerously close photographic flyby comet , japan 's first deep space craft sakigake \( pioneer \) \( comet \) would view halley much safer distance scientists united states also desired study comet vantage space probe , one time vessel powered solar sails ion engines however , government budget cuts nasa canceled american efforts u would make primarily earth based observations sharing data nations , though instrument named dust counter mass analyzer \( \) , designed chicago university professor john simpson , added soviet mission may 1984 answer halley vegas instead building entirely new craft mission , soviets decided modify venera bus design encounter comet performing advanced venus mission along way vega 1 2 reached venus , buses would drop one lander balloon use mass shrouded planet swing towards comet halley , much u probe mariner 10 used venus flyby mercury eleven years earlier soviet craft would head halley , helping location comet 's erupting nucleus giotto probe dive 605 kilometers \( 363 miles \) away march 1986 planned , two vegas arrived venus june 1985 vega 1 released payload first ninth day month , lander making two day descent towards planet craft touched upper atmosphere morning june 11 sixty one kilometers \( 36 6 miles \) venerean surface small container released lander , produced parachute 55 kilometers \( 33 miles \) altitude thus first balloon probe ever explore venus successfully arrived one kilometer opening parachute , helium gas pumped teflon coated plastic balloon , diameter 3 54 meters \( 11 68 feet \) dangling tether thirteen meters \( 42 9 feet \) instrument package , properly known top part 6 9 kilogram \( 15 18 pound \) consisted cone served antenna tether attachment point balloon beneath transmitter , electronics , instruments connected bottom measuring cloud particles painted special white finish keep bay mist sulfuric acid planet 's atmosphere vega 1 balloon dropped night side venus north equator scientists concerned gas bag would burst heat daylight , placed darkened hemisphere give craft much time possible return data action landers come dark well , effectively removing camera systems used previous missions author wonders , though , could used similar ones attached venera 9 10 1975 , soviet scientists thought planet 's surface perpetual twilight due permanently thick cloud cover first balloon transmitted 46 5 hours right day hemisphere lithium batteries failed , covering 11 , 600 kilometers \( 6 , 960 miles \) threat bursting day heat vega 1 balloon stationed 54 kilometer \( 32 4 mile \) altitude dropping ballast fifty kilometers \( thirty miles \) , considered active three main cloud layers reported pioneer venus 1978 indeed balloon pushed across planet speeds 250 kilometers \( 150 miles \) per hour strong vertical winds craft two three hundred meters \( 660 990 feet \) journey layer 's air temperature averaged forty degrees celsius \( 104 degrees fahrenheit \) pressure mere 0 5 earth atmosphere could find clear regions surrounding clouds early first balloon 's flight , vega 1 lander already headed towards venerean surface landers equipped soil drill analyzer similar ones carried venera 13 14 1982 however , vega 1 would become unable report composition ground landing site planitia , plain north terra still ten fifteen minutes away landing , timer malfunction caused drill accidentally begin programmed activity sixteen kilometers \( 9 6 miles \) surface neither way shut instrument landing unfortunate general loss data also fact venus covered smooth low level lava plains never directly examined nevertheless , surface temperature pressure calculated 468 degrees celsius \( 874 4 degrees fahrenheit \) 95 earth atmospheres respectively lander 's 56 minutes ground transmissions large amount background infrared radiation also recorded site done drills cameras venera 11 12 failed december 1978 , soviets focused data returned lander 's plunge atmosphere french soviet mass spectrometer detected sulfur , chlorine , possibly phosphorus sulfur possibly active volcanoes gives venerean clouds color sigma 3 gas found every cubic meter air altitude 48 63 kilometers \( 28 8 37 8 miles \) contained one \( 0 015 grain \) sulfuric acid vega 1 data overall structure cloud decks appeared odds information pioneer venus case made even stronger fact vega 2 's results nearly matched twin vegas found two main cloud layers instead three reported u probes layers three five kilometers \( 1 8 3 miles \) thick altitudes 50 58 kilometers \( 30 34 8 miles \) clouds persisted like thin fog clearing altitude 35 kilometers \( 21 miles \) , much lower pv readings one possibility may radical structural changes venerean air last seven years lander balloon finally went silent , last functioning part vega 1 mission , flyby bus , sailed 708 million kilometer \( 424 8 million mile \) journey around sun become first probe meet comet halley march 6 , 1986 , bus made 8 , 890 kilometer \( 5 , 334 mile \) pass dark icy visitor traveling interplanetary space soviets accomplished first mission two celestial bodies one space vessel june 13 , vega 2 released lander balloon payload two day fall towards venus like duplicate , vega 2 balloon radioed information back twenty antennae tracking earth 46 5 hours battery failure morning side planet 11 , 100 kilometer \( 6 , 660 mile \) flight venus , second balloon entered rather still environment became less twenty hours mission 33 hours mission time air became even eight hours balloon passed five kilometer \( three mile \) mountain continent terra , powerful pulled craft 2 5 kilometers \( 1 5 miles \) towards surface temperature sensors vega 2 balloon reported air layer moving consistently 6 5 degrees celsius \( 43 7 degrees fahrenheit \) cooler area explored vega 1 balloon vega 2 lander passed balloon 's level positive indications lightning made either balloon , second 's failed function vega 2 lander touched northern edge terra 's western arm fifteenth june , 1 , 500 kilometers \( 900 miles \) southeast vega 1 lander 's resting place smoother thought , indicating either ancient worn surface relatively young one covered fresh lava soil drill working order reported rock type known , rare earth present luna 's rock rich aluminum silicon lacking iron magnesium high degree sulfur also present soil air around vega 2 measured 463 degrees celsius \( 865 4 degrees fahrenheit \) 91 earth atmospheres , essentially typical day \( night \) venus far vega 2 lander , carrier bus sped past venus distance 24 , 500 kilometers \( 14 , 700 miles \) followed twin comet halley , making closer flyby march 9 , 1986 8 , 030 kilometers \( 4 , 818 miles \) probes helped reveal comet dark irregular shaped mass fourteen kilometers \( 8 4 miles \) across , rotating every 53 hours , give take three hours since vega craft still functioning halley encounters , soviet scientists considered option send probes celestial objects one prime target near earth planetoid , vega 2 could pass distance six million kilometers \( 3 6 million miles \) sadly , soviets back opportunity become first nation fly spacecraft past planetoid discovered enough maneuvering fuel probe reach planned vega 1 2 quietly shut early 1987 future plans diverted impressive vega mission given scientists numerous ideas hope even ambitious expeditions second world sun one example vesta mission , planned early 1990s soviet french collaboration called launch multiple probes single proton rocket either 1991 1992 craft would first swing venus drop several landers balloon probes would designed survive planet 's corrosive atmosphere one month , large improvement vega two days mission would head investigate several comets , including possible landing vesta \( thus mission name \) , reflective main belt planetoid seen earth unfortunately venus exploration , plans began change soviet union 1986 soviets decided vesta mission red planet mars instead venus , keeping comet planetoid aspects intact time soviet space program interest focusing mars already construction entirely new probe design called phobos two members class planned leave earth 1988 orbit mars next year phobos 1 2 would place first instruments mars' largest moon , phobos prelude even advanced mars expeditions , including balloon probes , , soil sample return craft , eventually human explorers early twenty first century environment venus hostile serious consideration human colonization near future things began look bleak soviet venus mars exploration phobos probes failed complete missions , one losing contact way red planet 1988 going silent mars orbit one week planned moon landing march 1989 1989 plan devised venus orbiter drop eight ten around planet 1998 several years later mission launch date moved year 2005 put hold official soviet missions venus since put forth , sad commentary twenty five years continuous robotic exploration planet late 1980s drastic political economic change taking soviet union president mikhail began open nation benefits increased cooperation rest nations , particularly west culture became less oppressive past , economy taking rough ride also effects free market effects hit everywhere , including space program missions levels cut back soviets began making almost desperate attempts cooperate space faring nations either keep remaining programs alive make money early 1992 reported soviets offering sale several fully equipped veneras storage price 1 6 million dollars , incredibly low price planetary probe nation took bargain meanwhile united states gearing new venus missions magellan galileo u long dormant planetary exploration launch space shuttle atlantis may 4 , 1989 aboard shuttle magellan spacecraft , combination spare parts u probes designed make detailed complete radar mapping venus history magellan reached second world august 1990 , would able map almost entire planet resolution 108 meters \( 360 feet \) , abilities venera 15 16 interim another american probe launched space shuttle would make quick flyby venus way orbit giant planet jupiter 1995 october 18 , 1989 , shuttle atlantis released second unmanned planetary probe space , named galileo famous italian astronomer discovered probe 's primary target 's major moons absence powerful enough booster send galileo direct flight jovian planet , probe sent around venus earth several times build enough speed reach jupiter result , venus became galileo 's first planetary goal february 1990 probe radioed back images planet 's swirling clouds indications lightning violent atmosphere drawing boards incredible success magellan last years , new plans laid venus scien u talked space scientists former soviet union commonwealth independent states since january 1 , 1992 cooperative effort launch new venera lander missions within next decade japan , india , esa also considered venus missions next decades february 1993 nasa came several new venus projects part discovery program launching inexpensive probes throughout solar system venus two missions selected study venus mission involving landing fourteen small probes one hemisphere measure winds , air temperature , pressure venus composition probe , designed study venus' atmosphere descending thick air aid parachute , much soviets done since 1967 final project decisions made 1994 humans venus human ever able stand surface venus \? present lead melting temperatures crushing air pressure would threatening earth life protected something even tougher venera lander plans looked changing environment venus something like earth 's however , noted undertaking require removal much thick carbon dioxide atmosphere , major reduction surface heat , ability speed planet 's rotation rate something bit faster every 243 earth days project may take centuries millennia meantime efforts made better understand venus exists today still yet fully know world seemingly similar earth many important ways became instead deadly place earth ever suffer fate \? perhaps venus holds answers answers may best found international cooperation , including nation made first 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oberg , james edward , new earths restructuring earth planets , meridian book , new american library , inc , new york , 1983 robertson , donald f , venus prime soviet objective \( parts 1 2 \) , spaceflight , volume 34 , numbers 5 6 , british interplanetary society \( bis \) , london , england , may june 1992 smith , arthur , planetary exploration thirty years unmanned space probes , patrick stephens , ltd , , , england , 1988 voyage universe near planets , editors time life books , inc , alexandria , virginia , 1990 wilson , andrew , solar system log , jane 's publishing , inc , new york , 1987 author larry klaes , ejasa editor , recipient asa 's 1990 service award work editor ejasa since founding august 1989 larry also teaches course basic astronomy concord adult community education program massachusetts larry author following ejasa articles one dream man robert h goddard , rocket pioneer august 1989 stopping space light pollution september 1989 rocky soviet road mars october 1989 astronomy family may 1991 soviets venus , part 1 february 1993 soviets venus , part 2 march 1993 electronic journal astronomical society atlantic april 1993 vol 4 , 9 copyright \( c \) 1993 asa
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 25 nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu article 8th cs uiuc edu blix milton cs uiuc edu \( gunnar blix \) writes need information medical \( including emotional \) pros cons circumcision \( birth \) pity hope medical knowledge resolve issues issue sci med time time bottom line normal circumstances , medical advantages medical risks circumcision minor means decision left religious , cultural , ethical , aesthetic parents , best , habit concerned hospital , worst \( prospective \) parents , want regard worry much terms decisions make child , far less importance many schools choose parents think little question undoubtedly push buttons people feel decision infant medical decision russell
kato lahabra chevron com \( w r volz \) subject gateway flash bios upgrade organization chevron oil field research company lines 27 article 1993apr20 1 utxvms cc utexas edu , dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) writes gateway 2000 released new flash bios update local bus systems i'm nice person , uploaded wuarchive wustl edu look glb05 exe msdos uploads section enjoy ! several questions 1 \) gain new bios \? 2 \) save copy old bios case want go back \? 3 \) install new bios \? 'd like enjoy , need answers first thanks bill volz chevron petroleum technology co earth model interpretation analysis division p box 446 , la habra , ca phone \( 310 \) 694 fax \( 310 \) 694
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 15 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , iastate edu \( aaron \) says article boi hp com dianem boi hp com \( diane mathews \) writes 've got couple questions whole thing \( 3 \) janet reno jumped take responsibilty take heat away president sound anything like couple reagan 's aides \? , could n't possibly america voted change elected william george clinton
dei unipd \( enrico il \) subject hardware image processing reply dei unipd organization universita' di , lines 27 research passive dynamic vision guided vehicle completed first part , make effective realization vehicle need necessary hardware image acquisition subsequent \( edge detection \) ask informations available products market purpose \( real time , 20 25 frames second \) hence need frame grabber cards dsp cards sun pc platform also interested receiving comments suggestions users cards , especially programming tools furthermore looking kind informations digital controlled pan tilt devices thanks advance best regards enrico dei unipd
pwe slipknot mit edu \( paul w emery \) subject v4 engines organization massachvsetts institvte technology lines 22 nntp posting host slipknot mit edu subject v4 , ford uk used v4 engines ford transit vans brings back memory seventies played band time something like 180 pounds four us bought 1967 tranny cart gear around terrible shape \( \) 's last owner pig farmer spent days cleaning putting partition seating 'til day died everytime turned fan defroster dried pig shit came flying vents ! ! ! back engine remember right v4 thing could haul , could fill equipment 8 people went like bat hell , course pollution controls engine gas leaded higher octane get mechanical fuel pump quit put electric one morris minor worked great ah fond memories pwe slipknot mit edu 'd like tanks paul w emery ron nasty magnet lab cambridge mass u
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject go hell ! ! ! lines 1 jsn104 jeremy scott noonan
alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host organization vanderbilt university school engineering , nashville , tn , usa lines 23 flame reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics especially usa grateful , columbus drop edge earth flame , end sermon \) alex
nyx cs du edu \( stacy sherman \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 34 questions subject like leave computer think i'm going using next 2 3 hours , get sick dad constantly coming asking computer 're using \? also wonder computer harmed fluctuations voltage things \( garbage disposal , etc \) questions much harm voltage fluctuations cause \? computer share circuit anything big light refrigerator comes garbage disposal turned \( whose n't \? \) , also washing machine anything things cause drop voltage harmful computer , right \? also notice fan system saver turning different speeds safer turn back want use leave \? much electricity computer use \? apple iigs \( ne flames \) , kensington system saver gs \( 1 electric fan inside \) , rgb monitor , external 3 5 hd \( 1 fan p \) translate kilowatt hours \? also , much used monitor \? monitor use considerably less juice screen totally black still \? many computers spin hd constantly save power always thought harmful hd defeats purpose leaving computer first place \( except \) true \? thanks info think help lots people stacy
michael sells sells haverford edu subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization haverford college lines 58 distribution world nntp posting host 130 58 172 17 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxdate thu , 13 may 93 13 08 52 gmt subject europe vs muslim bosnians f54oguocha date 13 may 93 02 28 53 gmt article 13may93 02285380 edison usask ca , f54oguocha edison usask ca writes previous article , josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) wrote actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) josip , please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! oguocha 've asked crucial question underlies much genocide bosnian muslims slavic ethnicity speak serbo croatian slavic ideology whereby true slavs christian anyone converted islam thereby must changed ethnicity changing religion see novels displays attitudes part calls people \( e christian slavs \) reason , war criminals call bosnian muslims turks even though ethnically turk speak turkish first language reason , actually genocide labeled ethnically identical religiously called , paradoxically , ethnic cleansing rather religious cleansing thus , war serbs croats continuation wwii , older agenda , annihilation islam muslims bosnian , carried cover serbo croat war regards , mike michael sells , department religion , haverford college haverford , pa 19041 1392
fig eff org \( cliff \) subject organized lobbying cryptography originator fig eff org nntp posting host eff org organization electronic frontier foundation distribution inet lines 31 jgfoot minerva cis yale edu \( josh \) writes tarl neustaedter \( tarl coyoacan sw stratus com \) wrote means eff 's public stance complicated issues irrelevant encryption issue per se may well people care encryption issue n't care associate network erotica issue \( may even disagree eff 's position \) perhaps encryption types would defend digitized porn posted encrypted \? issues seperable maintain well , regardless policy liabilities anyone washington may think eff , going ahead aggressively attacking assumptions behind administrations clipper chip initiative reasons stated washington , work assumption everyone liabilities government non governmental organizations alike share glass house eff variously identified hacker defense fund , first amendment , new communists , etc , also acknowledged leader civil liberties arena respected serious player policy circles unless another organization credibility clout right policy stance know washington , please n't count eff valid representative views clipper chip matter cliff fig eff org eff online guy \( 617 \) 576
tsai eniac seas upenn edu \( joe tsai \) subject bus tix sale lehigh philly distribution usa organization university pennsylvania lines 16 nntp posting host eniac seas upenn edu two \( 2 \) bus tickets sale bethlehem pa \( lehigh university \) philadelphia pa tickets good august 24 , 1993 15 obo please email tsai eniac seas upenn edu call \( 215 \) 573 \( joe tsai \) tsai eniac seas upenn edu wharton school '96 a500 school engineering back back 93 94 ! applied science '96 university pennsylvania flowers often bloom night r e xx
gurgle netcom com \( pete gontier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization cellular lines 10 long 're bashing csympc scs leeds ac uk \( p \) writes unix case dependent yes , unix case dependent \) pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com microsoft windows like putting lipstick chicken
othello ucdavis edu \( james e lee \) subject program manager problem organization university california , davis x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 19 anyone know configure dos app progman one instance running time \? 'd really appreciate help would prefer responses email 's big deal , least email well posting thank ! james e lee hamlet ucdavis edu swear life love never live sake another man , ask another man live mine john atlas shrugged
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject pads organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 19 ago saw pads , 6 x8 could plugged \( something \) would glow one red , another green , another blue interresting wondering anyone would feed anything nature , price oh , pads rubber like floppy like , thick thanks inspiration comes baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca seek baden de bari unknown
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 19 nntp posting host b329 gator 1 pica army mil jrlaf sgi502 msd lmsc lockheed com \( j r laferriere \) wrote wondering law officers read several questions would like ask pertaining motorcycles cops please n't say get vehicle code , go local station , obvious things like questions would found places answered face face real , live flesh , cop brother friend cousin whos father cop , etc n't bother writing thanks um would mind telling us state municipality live \? different laws different places , know tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject genuine admission genuine homosexual nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 20 must finally admit total truth central core homosexual normal , run mill homosexual , rabid homosexual zionist hide behind facade pro israel rhetoric deflect suspicion true motive exchange romantic dialogue nick steel , frequent fudge packing adventures , maintain level course , need discretion admission truth could longer hold secret longer love , nick , love hold yisrael , may stand forever , love , insinuating kosher rectum always mark
markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host elvis wri com organization wolfram research , inc lines 36 ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes article 708 blaze cs jhu edu , arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes article rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes 's objective physics einstein bohr told us speaking one knows relativity quantum mechanics , say bullshit speaking someone also knows relativity quantum mechanics , say go ahead , punk , make day degree beat degree simple take physics books , start looking statements say objective physics doubt find might find statements objective length , objective location , objective physics \? \( consider , instance , speed light vacuum invariant sounds awful lot like objective speed light vacuum \) , try confuse construct constructor take look quantum mechanics , many objective observations made well however , physics objective bohr said randomness atomic motion inherent motion einstein said nature deterministic method observation inserts randomness talking exact results neither claimed experimental evidence proved right similar vein , yet experimental evidence particles physicists believe , n't agree either objectively true answer question depends look , guess mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research , inc purely coincidental
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject abyss breathing fluids nntp posting host prawn sp ph organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england distribution usa lines 8 forever war , one favorite books , passage devoted breathing fluids idea protect people high accelerations required interstellar travel passengers dry cleaning fluid saturated oxygen plenty imaginative ideas book would certainly recommend \( hugo nebula awards \) regards ata \( \)
opel com \( john kennedy \) subject us sold opels \( opel owners \? \) reply com \( john kennedy \) organization second source , inc , annapolis , md lines 53 gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking friend one sitting yard really nice condition , body wise , transmission seized , n't run anyone info cars \? engine compartment looks really tight work , fine shape quite interested would opel gt , sold country '69 '73 originally 1100 cc engine , later replaced 1900 cc based old kadett drive train suspension , leaf springs rear single leaf spring front looked good , limited performer also discussion thread manta models 1971 opel introduced new line models , 1900 series , also known model numbers 51 , 57 , etc cars newer engine available two four door coupes , station wagon , sport coupe , known europe manta time , two 30 series cars , sold numbers , also 1900 engine kadett suspension sport coupe , \( model 57 \) also available , \( \) , blacked hood , tach , fog lights , mechanically except numerically higher rear end ratio 1973 sport coupe also named manta us 1973 last year gt country , us bumper height regulations fact fiat exercised option factory opel leasing build gts 1900 series continued 1974 minor body differences 1975 , manta , 1900 sedan \( also called \) wagon available bosch electronic fuel injection cars also larger brakes wider wheels cars starting compete 1975 buick century low price leader time , last opels imported us 1976 1979 , cars buick opel badges still sold buick dealers , isuzu marks idea call opels instead changing neon signs various models 50 series cars dominated showroom stock racing 70 's class , known serious 2002 competition parts still available number sources \( still '73 manta two '75 sedans trick parts could collect 20 years \) john kennedy uunet ! opel ! second source , inc com annapolis , md
lincoln cri nz subject computer component source inc phone number organization agriculture science centre lines 8 nntp posting host lincoln cri nz would like know regular international phone number computer supplier called computer component source free phone number 1 800 356 number use customers outside us wish upgrade power supply couple mac plus computers would like make contact computer component source bruce crop food research lincoln cri nz
pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) subject clipper conference calls reply pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) organization edinburgh university lines 11 quoting dougb ecs comm mot com article 1993apr26 227 lmpsbbs comm mot com would use something black box words , n't think public key would work session key would agreed upon prior conversation distributed sites beforehand ca n't one site decide session key send sites public key encryption \? paul crowley pdc dcs ed ac uk trust know i'm x fold fish jesus !
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject maxima chain wax organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 23 article 4dn myrddin imat com nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) writes article 1993apr23 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes spray chain wax onto rollers occassionally , rust problem regularly interesting say n't seen wear 1000 miles 've used stuff ninja , bike stays soooo clean 'll check back thousand miles 're subject , find endless chain , dealer \( , type master links acceptable \) \? later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
drozinst db erau edu \( drozinski tim \) subject ulf organization embry riddle aeronautical university , daytona beach , fl usa lines 48 nntp posting host lambda db erau edu jpc philabs philips com \( john p curcio \) writes article alpha db erau edu drozinst db erau edu \( drozinski tim \) writes ulf \( pgh \) fan , pisses whole adam graves ulf debate ulf plays hard hitting hockey \( nothing wrong \) graves way win game intentionally hurt someone \( bites ! \) jeesus never thought 'd see day defended ranger obviously n't watch much hockey think graves goon one hardest working rangers \( check hardest working ranger \) 36 goals year \( bad checking type player \) , showed every single game season \( unlike stiff messier \) fearless , throws clean checks also stand someone hits , like oaf exactly point 'd watch games closely , 'd see lot goons going ulf one main reasons less physical players pgh left alone ulf plays rough hockey , players putting rush mario jagr want say anyone penguins cheap shot goon , say 's jennings good defenseman favorite players ca n't beat pens even take dives \( like gartner \) try cheap penalties slash lemieux , fine cheap shot exception , rule bet think mike gartner goon time slashed hell oaf 's arm last year , right \? , get suspension hey , 's fine ! player something stupid , penalized including ulf mario \( 're likely see happen \) anyone else matter 's pointless say one person cheap shot goon , 'll see everyone take cheap shot , especially shadowed much ulf jpc john p curcio go bruins ! philips laboratories jpc philabs philips com 345 scarborough road \( 914 \) 945 6442 briarcliff manor , ny 10510 tim drozinski drozinst db erau edu chew electric death , ! spaceman spiff
carlf panix com \( carl fink \) subject odd mouse behavior organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 18 hi one coworkers odd problem mouse works fine dos applications , load c prompt windows , mouse pointer present , move even load dos app windows , mouse n't work computer zeos 386sx 20 w diamond speedstar vga running ms dos 5 0 windows 3 1 mouse driver microsoft 's 8 2 've tried switching mouse com1 com2 , 've tried different mouse , 've reinstalled mouse drv , ca n't get blamed thing work difference system mine \( mouse works perfectly \) expansion card additional parallel serial port could cause problem \? thanks advance help carl fink carlf panix com c \( genie \) ca n't laugh , bet everyone else ed johnston
bourne ctron \( paul g \) subject diamond stealth 24 organization sun microsystems , inc lines 14 distribution world reply bourne ctron nntp posting host bourne ctron com article charm magnus acs ohio state edu , magnus acs ohio state edu \( vincent \) writes recently purchased diamond stealth 24 isa graphics accelerator card \( based upon positive review steve gibson infoworld \) although 's fast , find windows drivers extremely buggy despite implementing diamond technical support suggestions anyone else experience card \? feedback appreciated lot problems belive latest drivers occasions fire windows works great ever find newer drivers would appreciate pointer location paul
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject analysis second amendment \( gun control \) organization totally unorganized lines 267 article 1993apr21 ra msstate edu whale st usm edu \( donald r newcomb \) writes first , would like say much appreciate literate individual mr rutledge discuss topic frankly , anti rkba posters refuse even approach topic original understanding bill rights detailed writings era refreshing second , must apologize leaving discussion several days brigade 's quarterly drill weekend needed attend several matters pertaining state militia people seem feel concept militia place 20th century i'm sure swiss would agree think perhaps discussion militia , organized unorganized , fits defense plans state , mississippi please assume describes something peculiar one southern state instance , commonwealth massachusetts well organized militia , members report , maintains stocks riot guns machine guns laws states vary probably similar appears time article \( originally posted larry cipriani last year , saved \) gets posted offers good analysis meaning second amendment , especially regarding militia clause , seen seen similar bone fides enjoy \( flames dev null \) begin enclosed article unabridged second amendment j neil schulman wanted know big bang , 'd ring carl sagan , right \? wanted know desert warfare , man call would norman , question would call wanted top expert american usage , tell meaning second amendment united states constitution \? question asked c brocki , editorial coordinator los angeles unified school district formerly senior editor houghton publishers recommended foremost expert english usage los angeles school system mr brocki told get touch roy copperud , retired professor journalism university southern california author american usage style consensus little research lent support brocki 's opinion professor copperud 's expertise roy copperud newspaper writer major three decades distinguished 17 year career teaching journalism usc since 1952 , copperud writing column dealing professional aspects journalism editor publisher , weekly magazine focusing journalism field 's usage panel american heritage dictionary , merriam webster 's usage dictionary frequently cites expert copperud 's fifth book usage , american usage style consensus , continuous print van since 1981 , winner association american publisher 's humanities award sounds like expert brief telephone call professor copperud introduced give indication interested , sent following letter writing ask professional opinion expert english usage , analyze text second amendment united states constitution , extract intent text text second amendment , 'a well regulated militia , necessary security free state , right people keep bear arms , shall infringed ' debate amendment whether first part sentence , 'a well regulated militia , necessary security free , restrictive clause subordinate clause , respect independent clause containing subject sentence , 'the right people keep bear arms , shall infringed ' would request analysis sentence take consideration issues political impact public policy , restricted entirely linguistic analysis meaning intent , since professional analysis likely become part litigation regarding consequences second amendment , ask whatever analysis make professional opinion would willing stand behind reputation , even willing testify oath support , necessary letter framed several questions test second amendment , concluded realize asking take major responsibility task letter , citizen , believe important extract actual meaning second amendment ask analysis affected political importance results , ask importance several letters phone calls , discussed terms analysis , never discussed either opinions regarding second amendment , gun control , political subject , professor copperud sent follow analysis \( inserted questions sake clarity \) copperud words 'a well regulated militia , necessary security free state , ' contrary interpretation cited letter july 26 , 1991 , constitutes present , rather clause used adjective , modifying , ' followed main clause sentence \( subject 'the right' , verb \) keep bear arms asserted essential maintaining militia reply numbered questions schulman \( 1 \) sentence interpreted grant right keep bear arms solely 'a well regulated \? copperud \( 1 \) sentence restrict right keep bear arms , state imply possession right elsewhere others people simply makes positive statement respect right people schulman \( 2 \) 'the right people keep bear granted words second amendment , second amendment assume right people keep bear arms , merely state right \? copperud \( 2 \) right granted amendment existence assumed thrust sentence right shall preserved inviolate sake ensuring militia schulman \( 3 \) right people keep bear arms conditioned upon whether well regulated militia , , fact necessary security free state , condition existing , statement 'the right people keep bear arms , shall null void \? copperud \( 3 \) condition expressed implied right keep bear arms said amendment depend existence militia condition stated implied relation right keep bear arms necessity well regulated militia requisite security free state right keep bear arms deemed unconditional entire sentence schulman \( 4 \) clause 'a well regulated militia , necessary security free state , ' grant right government place conditions 'right people keep bear arms , ' right deemed unconditional meaning entire sentence \? copperud \( 4 \) right assumed exist unconditional , previously stated invoked specifically sake militia schulman \( 5 \) following phrase 'well regulated mean 'well , 'well organized , ' 'well drilled , ' 'well educated , ' regulations superior \? copperud \( 5 \) phrase means regulations superior authority ' accords desire writers civilian control military schulman \( 6 \) \( possible , would ask take account changed meanings words , usage , since sentence written 200 years ago , take account historical interpretations intents authors , unless issues clearly separated copperud best knowledge , change meaning words usage would affect meaning amendment written today , might put since well regulated militia necessary tot security free state , right people keep bear arms shall abridged ' schulman 'scientific control' analysis , would also appreciate could compare analysis text second amendment following sentence , well schooled electorate , necessary security free state , right people keep read books , shall infringed ' questions usage analysis sentence would , \( 1 \) grammatical structure usage sentence way words modify , identical second amendment 's sentence \? \( 2 \) could sentence interpreted restrict 'the right people keep read 'a well educated example , registered voters high school diploma \? copperud \( 1 \) 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels amendment grammatical structure \( 2 \) nothing sentence either indicates implies possibility restricted interpretation professor copperud one additional comment , placed cover letter well known human curiosity , made speculative efforts decide material might used , unable reach conclusion told one top experts american usage many knew along constitution united states unconditionally protects people 's right keep bear arms , forbidding governments formed constitution abridging right write , attempted coup constitutional government soviet union failed , apparently people part world free tyranny stronger old guard 's desire maintain monopoly power united states , elected lawmakers , judges , appointed officials pledged defend constitution united states ignore , , second amendment routinely american citizens put american prisons carrying arms , owning arms forbidden sorts , failing satisfy bureaucratic requirements regarding owning carrying firearms unconditional right people keep bear arms , guaranteed constitution even american civil liberties union \( aclu \) , staunch defender rest bill rights , stands nothing seems believe right keep bear arms preserve right one else one else beg elected representatives take away rights , continue regarding representing us \? continue obeying judges decide second amendment n't mean says means means whatever say means doublespeak \? simply keep bear arms choice , constitution united states promises us , pledge defend promise lives , , sacred honor \? \( c \) 1991 new gun week second amendment foundation informational reproduction entire article hereby authorized provided author , new gun week second amendment foundation credited rights reserved author j neil schulman award winning author novels endorsed anthony nobel economist milton friedman , writer cbs twilight zone episode time traveling historian prevents jfk assassination 's also founder president publishing , first publishing company distribute books via personal computers modems recently , schulman founded committee enforce second amendment \( \) , intends see individual 's right keep bear arms recognized constitutional protection equal afforded first , fourth , fifth , ninth fourteenth amendments j neil schulman may reached bookstore , 24 hour bbs 213 827 \( 9600 baud \) mail address po box 94 , long beach , ca genie address end enclosed article pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject breach organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 36 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov , pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes item number 1 previous posting , stated found overwhelming support child molestation soc motss \( finally \) responded one read complete file postings soc motss put bluntly , support assertion short , claim bogus thank confirming postings defense adults sex children , choose claim n't say anything sort 's point discussing , clearly liar , without morals sort , prepared justify child molestation clayton , really idiot , play one usenet \? claimed postings dozen \( e 12 \) soc motss posters supported child molestation \( point aside really defending abolishing modifying age consent laws , right attracted n't act upon desires children \) 12 thousands overwhelming majority never cease amaze still n't told relationship partner immoral brian kane kane buast7 , astro bu edu \( hot young star \) astronomy dept , boston university , boston , 02215 true personal salvation achieved absolute faith ones true self
di \( \) subject epilepsy video games organization di informatica , universita' di lines 23 postings past alleged pathological \( esp neurological \) conditions induced playing video games \( e g nintendo \) apparently , reported several cases epilepsy , due flashing patterns strong attention \( young \) players one poster comp risks reported action british government quick search database reported following two published references 1 e j hart , nintendo epilepsy , new england j med , 322 \( 20 \) , 2 tk et al , dark warrior epilepsy , 1982 284 2 would appreciate someone could post \( e mail \) reference \( preferably published \) work subject pointer information possible technical tools \( \) reducing risks appreciated many thanks , , italy
athena qualcomm com \( ray \) subject 's roger \? nntp posting host athena qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 8 speaking roger ilk , whatever happened good ol' \? kill file since last year 's playoffs 've moved new news reader n't kill files , find 's gone must admit , however , unlike , roger seems know something game long subject n't touch leafs ray qualcomm com
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject christianity holy things organization florida state university lines 19 ezek 22 26 god seems upset priests made difference holy profane brought mind sermon heard recently speaker said god 's second name begin referring , believe , use god 's holy name titles swear words also reminded experience moses burning bush god told take , place standing holy ground texts seem imply god 's people must treat holy things differently common things , make difference holy common things obvious questions makes something holy \? christians \( primarily \) supposed make difference holy common things \? \( e g god 's name , holy spirit , holy bible , etc \) darius
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject bonilla reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 41 fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes divisions based race , religion , etc make sick n't nice mlb finally waking existence \? n't shame hiring practices , field , discriminatory long \? \( quick name light hitting black outfielder 1b lasted 10 years bigs bet name two dozen white ones \) otis nixon darnell coles henry manny billy hatcher herm lonnie smith \( light hitting , horror field \) gary redus dion james daryl boston vince coleman \( yeah , 's finally started decent obp \) cecil espy willie wilson gary milt thompson gary varsho ok , admit taking quick browse major league handbook , first 7 8 oh , 's time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno note guys may reached 10 years yet , 've got close likewise list oh , prediction milt cuyler mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com know great thing tv \? something important happens anywhere world , matter time day night , always change channel jim
ls116 cunixa cc columbia edu \( lei shao \) subject error building x11r5 xdm keywords x11r5 xdm nntp posting host cunixa cc columbia edu reply ls116 cunixa cc columbia edu \( lei shao \) organization columbia university lines 15 hi , , i'm trying build x11r5 mit core distribution sparcstation running sunos 4 1 1 thing change projectroot site def make world process goes cc xdm , get following error ld undefined symbol error code 2 process continues finish anybody know 's wrong \? thanx info lei shao ls116 cunixa cc columbia edu
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 21 article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen tice \) writes one way another much patience bad could n't wait prospect god 's message much take \? believe david koresh really jesus christ \? well lets see long haired nut case sexual surrounded lot losers without brain miserable meaningless death boot sounds like fits bill ! joseph david koresh fried you' askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject time greats team organization allegheny college lines 46 article 1993apr21 iscsvax uni edu iscsvax uni edu writes article 1993apr19 alleg edu , luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes article 1993apr14 iscsvax uni edu iscsvax uni edu writes winfield slugging average 480 career peak winfield 's peak slugging average average 129 points league average mel ott 's 278 , hank aaron 's 266 , frank robinson 's 304 worst years peak , still better winfield best peak year winfield 's best 158 average ott 's worst 164 average robinson 's worst 206 league average career 480 slugging big deal many right fielders including darryl strawberry andre dawson surpass career slugging average unless real stats make winfield worthy team wo n't even allowed water boy ! p eddie water boy career base percentage tons better winfield 's check facts andre dawson 's career slugging pct 480 's 's would like see facts probably done better 129 points slg 480 check important stats defense , heart batting average rbi 's peak , career , especially career , ranks top 15 outfielders time using bs make standings would like know getting numbers
steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) summary 's source canada bashing \? nntp posting host thor isc br com organization aging , inc lines 35 article acsu buffalo edu v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes article 1993apr22 news columbia edu , gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes 've come learn suspect anything american press system much true , 'd take us idiots given insurance installed period liberal tory governments federally provincially , socialists still , would 've pressed real socialized medicine fix things think , using u metric make comparison keeping confirming something right true , remember canadian bashing exists american proponents system make look like walks water even n't go far sorry , 'd differ canadian bashing wrt health insurance system largely little evidence prompting kept debate net months , criticism canadian system misquoted misinterpreted even anti canadian propaganda put american insurance industry ama cases , mr case , critiques well reasoned worthy response others misinformed , illogical , plain dumb n't think said american proponents canadian system , much less canadian proponents jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing data , sure cut uucp ! uunet ! isc br ! thor ! steveh bulls r hofferbert bell 509 838 8826
mzhao magnus acs ohio state edu \( min zhao \) subject cheap harddisk pc xt nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 16 original ibm 10mb harddisks sale actually seagate 's st412 , mfm , full height , ibm logo black face plate disk checked formatted dos 5 0 doubled 20mb dblspace stacker desire original ibm foam fitted anti static bags sure ever used , drive sent good working order 30 plus shipping cost , \( 5 \) , one old ibm xt pcs , ! 's cheaper floppy drive !
freenet carleton ca \( steve hui \) subject new '94 talon \? \? \? \? \? organization national capital freenet , ottawa , canada lines 21 would also interested finding '94 talon , suspect many people would interested , let 's get responses net question anyone info 1994 eagle talon mitsubishi eclipse plymouth laser \? know old talon based mitsubishi galant , japan , 240 hp twin turbo v6 1994 galant released anyway , info '94 talon would appreciated steve hui
\( rashid \) subject yet rushdie islamic law nntp posting host organization nh lines 19 article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) wrote already made clear claim khomeini advocates views qur'an given arguments something checked anyone sufficiently interested khomeini , dead , really ca n't respond , another poster supports khomeini responded clearly sophistry quite clear atheists less susceptible modes n't mind saying best example obfuscation condemn without even basic facts straight want examples , go back look previous posts , manage get facts wrong fatwa khomeini 's supposed infallibility salaam laikum
visser convex com \( lance visser \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host dhostwo convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 84 c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu , slp9k cc usu edu writes xref dscomsa alt activism 6011 talk politics misc path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uunet ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! agate ! dog ee lbl gov ! hellgate utah edu ! cc usu edu ! slp9k slp9k cc usu edu newsgroups alt activism , talk politics misc subject welcome police state usa message id 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu date 20 apr 93 03 02 34 mdt references 1993apr20 cc usu edu c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu organization utah state university lines 34 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? firstly , could backed put power freak , like david koresh , kind situation going explode \( pun intended \) koresh wanted martyr government played right hands government n't given attention wanted nothing would ever happened secondly , davidians expecting everything government thought facing apocalypse , perish fire n't scared fbi average , devout followers religion n't work government got frustrated murdered batf left beginning , looked koresh 's personality instead thought , guns bigger guns let 's go get 'em ! botched day one n't first place conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one search knock warrent meaning scene see bunch men guns storming compound grenades terms search warrent secret batf yet even reveal stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police serve warrent , basically attacked compound expected surrender concussion grenades know look death injury toll inflicted sides first battle difficult believe either side superiority weapons anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear
antonio oas olivetti com \( antonio \) subject honda accord \( 82 \) sale organization olivetti research california lines 27 distribution world reply antonio oas olivetti com \( antonio \) nntp posting host oas olivetti com keywords honda , sale , 82 honda accord 4 cyl lx hatchback 3d 5 speed '82 126 , 000 miles fm stereo cassette clutch '89 alternator '90 battery '93 '93 rebuilt registration expires feb '94 asking price 2150 00 please call 408 366 3570 \( \) location stevens creek cupertino ca
tanner cerritos edu subject touring southwest organization cerritos college , norwalk ca lines 14 article 1993apr24 dsd es com , bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes make sure ride us 12 capitol reef bryce , 's number top 10 roads lists ever put gas stations us 12 \? rode 1987 , skipped bryce canyon rode 100 miles seeing gas station torrey awesome road , recall riding narrow ridge 9 , 000 \? 10 , 000 \? feet bruce bruce tanner \( 310 \) 860 x 596 tanner cerritos edu cerritos college norwalk , ca dod nomad 007
bih \( \) subject bike vacation states \? \? organization bergen college engineering , bergen , norway x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 25 summer i'm going use vacation \( riding \) states questions would like post since i'm norway wondering much cost rent bike states \? \( i'm going san san jose area ride around \( \) \) might noticed still n't made plans know places ought visit please e mail \( wanna dod \( \) bih \( \) since hurt life erratic parrot , , transmitting static carpet died , palm collapsed cat keeps poo thing keeps sane talking shoe shoe
nosubdomain nodomain \( roland \) subject tom gaskins pexlib vs phigs programming manuals \( o'reilly \) reply igd fhg de organization zentrum fuer , 6100 darmstadt , germany lines 33 article neuro usc edu , merlin neuro usc edu \( merlin \) writes could someone explain difference tom two books pexlib programming manual phigs programming manual would want buy one book vs book \? 80386 pexlib phigs \( comes mit pex explained phigs programming manual \) different api 's pex protocol , extension x protocol depends , go use advantage phigs platforms \( ibm graphigs , \) standardized structuring 3d objects advantage pexlib sometimes faster easier programming immediate mode graphics , pex exactly mapping phigs \( \) ooo \( \) ooo roland computer email 7 graphics igd fhg de 6100 darmstadt center phone germany \( \) 49 6151 space intentionally left blank
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 31 prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes article 1993apr26 200406 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy big capacitor \) real big capacitor 's suggested \( specifically , lightning strikes clouds interstellar medium \) big lightning rod , would need protection \? would need jupiter ground plane pat sounds like 'd want star ground plane phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject often kids fall sick \? etc lines 91 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article ashwin leo gatech edu , ashwin edu \( ashwin ram \) writes 20 month son started falling sick quite often every since started going day care home first year fall sick even seems like sort cold flu pretty much month time cold leads ear infection well , result ends antibiotics 3 weeks 4 know kids day care fall sick often , beginning wonder often often really , whether son susceptible lower immunity average studies help answer questions \? kids stayed home 1st grade , infection incidence much lower exposure lower studies suggest early exposure various infectious diseases probably beneficial exposure adult carries much risk mortality \( , etc \) often kids first , second third years fall sick \? often get colds , , ear infections \? data home care vs day care \? daycare always carry higher exposure risk home care sick build immunity \( leading less illness later \) , make kids weaker \( leading illness later \) , long term effect \? exposure infectious organisms build immunity many viruses new strain requires another immune response \( new antibody production \) addition , antibody levels tend decline time needed keep antibody levels high chronic immune response lead rare unlikely occur children taking antibiotics regular basis negative long term effects \? yes , chronic use antibiotics adverse effect good bacteria supposed present body health effects depletion good bacteria debated topic medical community physicians seeming discount health effects chronic antibiotic use \( view support \) one tell child susceptible illness normal , one \? chronic infection adult child needs worked \( opinion \) physicians feel chronic infection child normal exposure lack prior immunity many infectious diseases share view physicians also suspect diet plays big role infection frequency severity exposure infectious agent result severe infection strong immune response minimize length time needed deal infection well symptoms associated infection way build immunity resistance \? five major nutrients responsible good strong immune response infectious agents protein , vitamin c , vitamin , iron zinc american diet low protein rarely problem vitamin , vitamin c , iron zinc often low lack adequate pool \( nutrient reserve \) impair immune response iron know low kids \( vitamin \) distinct biochemical tests run check status nutrients patient problem chronic severe infection serum iron status , dark adaptation vitamin status , red blood cell zinc zinc status vitamin c status attempted work posts five nutrients role infection news group well others participate e mail 've worked far best advice try find physician recognizes critical role diet plays human immune response may also able get help nutritionist anyone call nutritionist want find someone \( like \) formal training education nutrition many ph programs u offer degrees nutrition 's need look also call nutritionists biochemical training needed run specialized nutritional assessment tests good getting general dietary advice however data , information advice relating would much appreciated thanks lot ashwin martin banschbach , ph graduate degree biochemistry nutrition vpi developer course human nutrition medical students
tbrent ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) subject message mr president know happened \? keywords success organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 39 one thought government claimed believed automatic weapons premises license 50 caliber machine gun ! knew damn well one also knew legally ! still , without element surprise sent agents get president takes full responsibility guy ! hope gets gun semi auto , thus legal batf claims davidians also possessed illegally modified ar 15 's illegal explosives mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' check news today , \( ap \) authorities also found state art automatic machine gun investigators know cult 's arsenal carl stern , justice department imagine authorities know difference semi fully automatic probably knew weather guns legal access relative documentation \( e permits \) addition 50 caliber guns \( plural \) semi automatic rifles tim
uvacs cs virginia edu \( gina bull \) subject need patches use dev organization university virginia computer science department lines 8 good news got two sparc10 's bad news dev apparently supported x11r4 x11r5 anyone know patch \( obtain \) either x version enable us use x11 sparc10 's \? gina
lim graphics rent com \( julie lim \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization graphics bbs \( 2d , 3d , gif , animation \) 1 908 469 0049 lines 25 michael iastate edu \( michael huang \) writes msg common many food eat , including chinese \( though oriental restaurants might put tad much \) 've noticed go eat chinese food restaurants , usually get slight headache thirst afterwards happens many friends relatives , heh , eat chinese food time home \) \( n't use msg 're cooking \) heck , seem feel like every time eat including cafeteria work half time , headache nothing make go away except throwing ick might imagine , n't eat lot guess tolerance food additives since switched eating mostly steamed veggies 're easy fix , 's wo n't even mention happened last time ate beef \( oops late \) graphics bbs 908 469 0049 's better sharp stick eye ! internet lim graphics rent com \( julie lim \) uucp rutgers ! bobsbox ! graphics ! lim
freenet carleton ca \( mike \) subject car ! \? organization national capital freenet , ottawa , canada lines 20 guys correct bricklin produced canada national museum science technology ottawa one , sometimes put display time , stays storage museum n't much room 's big deal car canadian 's anybody 's fan , also nice green '73 looks like came showroom mike ottawa , ontario , canada voice 613 823 paul \( formerly pt gvc com \) sven 's law 's exceptions every law \( except one \)
pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) subject bosio 's hitter organization state university new york albany lines 19 watched final inning bosio 's hitter several people work vizquel made barehanded grab middle , someone remarked fielded glove , would n't time throw riles yet , throw beat riles two steps wonder many others watched final think vizquel choice make play bare hand anybody think vizquel wrong field ball barehanded \? failed field cleanly , would \( \) error hit \? \( judging bosio 's ball bounced past , must thought would go hit \) whether vizquel right wrong , certainly made one hell play phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu
pjc jet uk \( peter j card \) subject zealous shuttle critics organization joint european torus lines 40 great western , dunno great northern postulated masterpiece keep compass chaps , get round eventually great western highly successful mail ship , hybrid sail steam propulsion great eastern , broke financially otherwise , revolutionary leap forward ship design thirty thousand ton steel vessel , primary steam propulsion , time easily biggest ocean going vessel ever built brunel took advantage fact cargo fuel capacity rose cube scale , drag rose square , really big ship could steam thousands miles without unfortunately , real market beast time , eventually sold scrap values another poster said , went successful career telegraph cable laying ship fact ship day capable laying cable one go , endurance capacity carry huge reel way , defective sections see arthur c book world one think right shuttle goes history , technical triumph financial disaster builder , would entirely , doubt history charitable true shuttle things launch system , worth \? low cost access space , could affordable space station shuttle like extended manned missions , shuttle much space truck space rv , \( cheap run \( \) peter card , joint european torus , abingdon 3ea uk tel 0235 fax email pjc jet uk compuserve , 366 others made ` ' disclaimer please note personal view construed official comment jet project
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject laws god \( kind loving god ! ! \) organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 102 article owl csrv uidaho edu , moscow uidaho edu \( rob lanphier \) writes two conflicting statements say one clarification breach logic n't mind people shifting position issue said premise change made deuteronomy 22 20 25 \? wrong \? jesus change \? anything , clarified law quote made following verses , jesus takes several portions law upon law giving clearer meaning god intended sure however , n't address notion stoning non virgin , needs clarification going deny deuteronomy 22 20 25 patently clear intent \? see getting \( least think \) correct mistaken , think asking still believe uphold laws pertaining capital punishment things adultery , rape heinous crimes may recall , jesus confronted question regards caught act brought jesus reply , let without sin cast first stone jesus deny sentence due violation law think \? think agree today 's world , lot modern day pharisees know bible end end believe good head knowledge nothing heart \? 'll agree lot modern day pharisees know bible end end n't believe depending use knowledge , scary argue position desire , back selected parts bible pharisees include david koresh hitler qualify saying n't know actually believed preaching , ends certainly made means look frightening agreed \) however , scary n't know much bible , believe every word fact , probably , since far people , 've seen addition , easy manipulate aforementioned pharisees , since n't know enough debate people agreed also one use bible reference , one must always open different interpretations christian , spirit god verify believe word spirit tells backed scripture spirit communicating god , jesus tells us test spirits know sure god christianity set rules 's lifestyle changes one 's perspectives personal conduct demands obedience god 's , demands obedience book god came personally told behave , would say would god 's however , preachers , pastors , evangelists tell obey book written people dead close two millenia \( even longer ot \) , even follow everything heart , could scarcely honest saying i'm god obey spirit god tells spirit violate anything written bible word god worship pastors , preachers , wife , mother father tell carry weight god tells commands bible people live , many others cannot choice respect god respects well , god respects much , come talk bible eternal damnation non believers \? see little respect god bible see selfish god eternal damnation consequence choice one makes rejecting god choose jump cliff , hardly blame god going splat bottom knows choose jump , die prevent making choice fact , sent son stand edge cliff tell everyone lies prove point , jesus took plunge god able rise seen example christ chosen jump i'm trying tell jump else 'll go splat n't listen wo n't stop decide jump ask check taking plunge owe n't like seeing anyone go splat god , malcolm lee \)
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? distribution usa organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 17 article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) wrote article blue cis pitt edu , rjl pitt edu \( richard j loether \) writes yes , course , matthew 10 34 35 suppose come bring peace earth peace come bring sword remember armor god \? sword christians wield word god , bible sorry malcolm , rather believe jesus cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 33 victor johnson , thu , 22 apr 1993 00 01 10 gmt wibbled rec motorcycles , cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes article c5sk1d c1p srgenprp sr hp com frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) writes honda v designates v engine street bike vf v 4 , vt v twin honda hawk \( nt 650 \) \? 's twin , called vt 's took old vt 500 engine stepped make plant hawk new twin fly microsoft nt \( new technology \) \? 've long today cheers , victor dances hawks johnson also bmw stuff k100rs k , rs really slow , 100 , suppose 's much spend week keep damn thing road nick \( pissed bike biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \(
philly ravel udel edu \( robert c hite \) subject professional sports fm radio nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware lines 20 article 1993apr23 1 tesla njit edu slutsky tesla njit edu writes curious known professional sports teams whose games regularly broadcast fm station one aware wysp philadelphia carries games respond summarize list wip real home eagles reese birds fm radio joke classic rock station ! whats sports world coming \? think good signature , right ! , stupid message go phillies ! ! !
gmw0622 rigel tamu edu \( mr grinch \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization grinchco lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article newcastle ac uk , chris holt newcastle ac uk \( chris holt \) writes try ensure process deciding whether introduce third parties n't random steve said , examples third parties less ignorant corrupt two primary parties knowledge able help \? course helps , decision involve third parties primary make corrupt ignorant third party n't going say , 're corrupt ignorant , 'll stay pointing corrupt ignorant wo n't help , either wo n't believe wo n't care 's impossible \( least beyond abilities \) formulate rule always tell whether involvement third party would good bad , 's one seems better 've ever heard suggested voluntary good , mandatory bad , third party involve transaction request primary participants n't formulate rule always tell try use knowledge properties situations us , appears trying always apply voluntary good , mandatory bad less optimal , circumstances seriously damaging interesting question characterize circumstances best look , somebody power decide whether third party regulate transactions somebody going either third party argue blue face regulators n't get involved \( fact , people tried \) , wo n't listen fundamental question ask , whose decision whether involve regulators , \? 've answered first question , try move questions regulators involved , , regulations appropriate \? although answer first question , second third taken hands mr grinch
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject thoughts organization case western reserve university lines 24 distribution na nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article cbnewsj cb att com decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) writes r us thing trademarked n't know charles lazarus dead alive , 'd careful , name like lazarus , might rise start lawsuit r us trademarked , backwards r us , believe speaking proofs god , funniest one ever seen term paper handed freshman wrote , god must exist , would n't mean make believe exists really n't ! argument really much worse ontological proofs existence god provided anselm descartes , among others \? raymond 5 , 000 b c philosophical fantasies
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 5 obeying truth sincere love brothers , love one another deeply , heart 1 22
mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization tektronix , inc , redmond , lines 13 article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? go one wonders american education system shape \?
danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) subject thoughts nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 19 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes james felder \( spbach lerc nasa gov \) wrote logic alert argument incredulity hard believe n't mean n't true liars look koresh cite whole basis great many rejecting christian account things words st madalyn murrey o'hair , face folks , 's silly okay disbelieve incredulity admit 's fallacy \? n't n't aware o'hair chick reader , n't support assertion argument whole basis great many rejecting dan
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject buy c computers ! ! ! lines 29 organization dakota state university lines 29 i'm planning buy computer like tc 's ads tell anything company computers \? also , anyone company would prefer , please let know yes , nice ads , even better great prices outside consumer sees orders little know , get poor service \( poor \) ordered 105mb hard drive tc 6 months ago , received mail , installed , discovered work ! ! ! sent back , said 'd send refund check took many , many , many phone calls hate mail , well threats lawsuit get back 250 00 ! fact , took two whole months calling threatening ! every time 'd call , would put run around finally wound answering machine 'd leave name phone , n't even get called back one pissed c customer , want get ripped , want decent service , repeat buy company money saved worth ulcers get pass word around friends companies like deserve stay business , let 's give hard earned money discount micro , systems powerhouse , gateway 2000 given excellent service speed past highly recommend anyone mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
ajs8 kimbark uchicago edu \( adam jeremy \) subject 32 bit access reply ajs8 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 5 gateway 4dx2 66v anyone know csn \( ca n't \) 32 bit access \?
iscsvax uni edu subject comic book sale organization university northern iowa lines 36 hello , name john following comic books sale please feel free make bid 'd like add one dollar shipping \( usa \) remember e mail replies iscsvax uni edu regular group thank marvel silver surfer \( current series \) 1 \( 3 copies \) x factor 1 \( 2 copies \) excalibur 1 \( first square bound \) punisher 1 \( 2 copies \) dc comics 1 12 \( one copy \) omega men 1 , 2 , 3 \( 3 first lobo appearance green arrow hunters 1 \( 3 copies autographed mike \) 2 \( 2 copies \) 3 \( one copy \( \) alternate comic companies get teenage mutant ninja turtles \( reprints ! \) 2 \( auto kevin eastman \) 3 , 4 1 1 aliens \( press \) 1 \( 2 copies \) whitman comics \( 1978 \) star trek 54 \( autographed james know scotty \) thank time john iscsvax uni edu
kevinh hslrswi hasler ascom ch \( kevinh \) subject happy easter ! originator kevinh nath reply kevinh hasler ascom ch organization ascom hasler ag lines 27 article dcs qmw ac uk , davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) writes lotus looks set management gm n't happy elan late pricey write elan development costs may able sell sensible price read gm wants keep design part lotus lose car production , seem remember , main problem elan caused gm 's insistence elan designed \( significantly \) us market caused major design production headaches think legal clause rr name , regardless owns must british company owner e ba sell company name kevinh hasler ascom ch n't believe ba anything rr 's seperate company rr aero engine company 's vickers rolls royce cars quite true brain fade part david edmondson davide dcs qmw ac uk kevinh hasler ascom ch
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject help god court \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 22 bobbe vice \( robert beauchaine 6086 59 323 lp \) pontificated guess n't understand problem 've never problem swearing using name god sentence comes quite naturally , matter would guess either mean n't problem swearing non existant dense \( considering group \) n't come quite naturally even followers religions would say would quite natural forced swear allah \? \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) times nations , priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) subject disks copy protected article flop 1r76sbinnkap organization oregon state university lines 28 nntp posting host xanth cs orst edu hey , stop encouraging \? copy protection serves one pur pose keep honest buyer making \( legal \) backup copies definitely stop pirates want protect soft , supply good documentation support imho way effectively pro software best regards , arno strongly disagree think pirating done amateurs , wo n't copy program diskcopy ca n't 're talking 20 max goal pirated copies , bet anything beat diskcopy , ca n't easily copied hard drive , suffice hate hard copy manuals , would rather docs online want copy program , usually faster convenient sifting old book ca n't find deeper end everyone think need able make backup copy \? almost new software must installed hard disk , left originals backups think waste time , space , money , well makes tempting lend backups flames intended thoughts eric
mzhao magnus acs ohio state edu \( min zhao \) subject cheap harddisks faithful pc xt nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 16 original ibm 10mb harddisks sale actually seagate 's st412 , mfm , full height , ibm logo black face plate disk checked formatted dos 6 0 doubled 20mb dblspace stacker desire original ibm foam fitted anti static bags sure ever used , drive sent good working order 30 plus shipping cost , \( 5 \) , one old ibm xt pcs , ! 's cheaper floppy drive !
eecs uic edu \( robert \) subject ecg data needed organization university illinois chicago lines 3 need ecg data , uncompressed , hopefully ascii format n't care looks like , signal processing project
keithley apple com \( craig keithley \) subject aurora gif request organization help lines 15 someone scanned artist 's rendering aurora \? , gif available somewhere \? please reply via email thanks , craig craig keithley looks could kill , probably apple computer , inc games without , war without tears keithley apple com peter gabriel , third album \( 1980 \)
charlea eng clemson edu \( charles allen \) subject emm386 windows organization clemson university lines 18 article ardie 313 ux1 cso uiuc edu , ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu \( ardie mack \) pc almost exclusively run windows dos based application config sys emm386 loaded option noems \( expanded memory \) following thread one comp newsgroups , read necessary emm386 loaded indeed , emm386 noems enables system use upper memory 640 1024 's good place device drivers , dos kernal , etc \( keep ! \) emm386 load dos kernal high \( else could n't 286 \) mail message recommended remove since runs frequently dos , suspect emm386 slow windows charles clemson edu
biernat rtsg mot com \( tim biernat \) subject gateway flash bios upgrade nntp posting host organization motorola , inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 11 article 1993apr20 1 utxvms cc utexas edu dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) writes gateway 2000 released new flash bios update local bus systems i'm nice person , uploaded wuarchive wustl edu look glb05 exe msdos uploads section enjoy ! also noticed readme comes n't tell squat , except warn bad things may happen anyone idea terms , say , performance \? tim
kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) subject request specified organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines 17 nntp posting host grissom larc nasa gov article 1993apr27 walter bellcore com deaddio ski bellcore com \( michael deaddio \) writes basically , looking something operate ranges accelerations found automobile environment would like device operate trigger systems car 's deceleration reaches threshold value \( assume seat belt lock mechanisms air bag deployment systems work \? \) open one airbag control boxes inexpensive know gm cars use units cheapest way get existing automotive unit incidentally , things n't linear , application would fine job scott
faith world std com \( seth w \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 34 article may 11 02 36 34 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes see verses clearly address issues , however , couple seem though require incredibly perverse interpretations order seen condemning homosexuality would someone care comment fact seems say fornicators inherit kingdom god \? apply homosexuals \? understand fornication sex outside marriage accurate definition \? thing sex marriage bible \? understanding always new testament blesses sexual intercourse husband wife , however , willing listen scriptural evidence contrary take things literally must also forbid women speaking church paul led holy spirit human could err find interesting christ never discussed issue homosexuality , certainly existed back serious transgression christ would condemned find disturbing modern church spends energy trying stamp something christ n't consider worth single word condemnation christ repeatedly warns us judgement n't risk judgement equal measure condemn people god judge walked earth \? love christ contagious ! many readers fact advocate women speaking church issue discussed past , i'm interested clh
boebert sctc com \( earl boebert \) subject gcd formats reference needed organization sctc lines 6 kind soul point references formats \? thanks , earl
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 72 article 93112 psuvm psu edu mark 'mark' sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu says p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns oh \? smoke flames start three different places \? particular , three different places apv 's \? evidence \? fbi texas medical examiner refuted 2 lies today government start fire , n't people trying get compound \? let put building , pump cs , knock walls around see fast find exit besides oh , n't know i'm even bothering n't know either , 're willing swallow everything fed good boy find tremendously chilling many people seem willing accept governments story , despite much evidence contrary find tremendously chilling many people seem eager believe murderous , heavily armed religious cult , despite much evidence contrary thought experiment suppose exact thing happened bush administration would answer \? would still prefer believe cultists \? oh clinton apologist , n't say \( , n't really expect response challenge \) , mr clinton elected , people believe campaign promisses would respected got office um , n't politicians elected \? people believe , little wonder believe given fact clinton reno fbi batf confederation particular reason gummint decided slaughter eighty people \? , like , plain evil , \? wake one day , stretch yawn , throw dart map united states figure oppress day \? i'm eager know kgbatf expecting quick victory cameras rolled , however , ones script bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader \? diabolical laughter \? look good cape \? things must investigated first hey , 're apologist , tell us propose destroy moon , neatly solving problem blood pressure went mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu disclaimer psu knew opinions , 'd try charge wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
mt90dac brunel ac uk \( del cotter \) subject planets habitable organization brunel university , west london , uk lines 37 iyd fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes jpg 93apr27135219 holly bnr co uk jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) writes would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions dandridge cole isaac asimov collaborated book titled , habitable planets man \( think \) 1964 available good libraries , inter library loan references h dole habitable planets man publishing company , new york \( 1964 \) n't know found j extra solar planetary systems microcomputer simulation j brit interplanetary soc , 38 , 501 514 , \( 1985 \) estimate prevalence habitable planets j brit interplanetary soc , 45 , 3 12 , \( 1992 \) first paper includes detailed discussion physical conditions ' , ' ' ' , ' , ' ' , ' ' ' , ' , ' ' , , ' , ' del cotter mt90dac brunel ac uk ' , , ' , ' ' , ' ' , '
mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) subject janet reno killed waco children distribution na organization tektronix , inc , redmond , lines 17 article boi hp com dianem boi hp com \( diane mathews \) writes article 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , helluva lot republican attorney general ever ! btw , tears wasting religious nuts , wanted wasted anyway \? got back wasting hundred thousand religious nuts middle east , everybody ! ! mike
kmac cisco com \( karl elvis macrae \) subject ford explorer question , suv review organization tattooed love boys lines 60 distribution world nntp posting host glare cisco com ok , ongoing search sport utility , 's latest toyota 4runner small small small small interior vehical impossible large person bad would winner otherwise nissan pathfinder low ceiling head hit roof , fun bumps , \? also cheap looking interior isuzu trooper class act really , really nice vehical comfortable , handled ok really cool grab handles everywhere 's huge , engine bit small 's bulk also manual shift weird kind awkward 'd buy 3k cheaper 10 shorter size price , kept trying park san francisco thanks chevy blazer cheap looking small small toyota nissan , still small ford explorer sports car , 's certainly serious 's big enough comfortable without huge heavy trooper 's engine plenty power everyday driving , though would nice bit automatic tranny pretty nice head shoulders '90 mazda mpv steering tight 'd like , 's acceptable two door easy enter back seats \( easier get , fact , driver 's seat 4runner ! \) 10 shorter easier availability manual tranny , \( yes , i'm manual shift , admit \) 's one i'm thinking buying , said , anyone one hates \? anyone major problems \? heard horror stories \? also , reason buy ford mazda navajo , essentially vehical \? thanks karl karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac cisco com batman cisco com 415 688 dod 1999 fj1200 shovels rakes implements destruction arlo guthrie
daimi aau dk \( jesper \) subject vfr st11 owners get hidden feature keywords lights organization daimi computer science department , aarhus university , denmark lines 22 cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes article c61r0b c7 world std com daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) writes enjoying lunch saturday milford nh assortment nedod folks dean cookson \( yes left country , yet \) mentioned wiring diagram vfr750 shows light switch three position switch cb750 switch continuity section wiring diagram looks something like hl l h x x low x x x \( n \) x x high '78 cx500 first thought wiring diagram n't fit machine \) dean jb
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject genocide caused atheism organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 6e1 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes area , care whether someone sceptical , critical autonomous one hand , gullible , excitable easily led indeed may one may atheist also gullible , excitable easily led would say tendency worship tyrants ideologies indicates person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero rather earthly one seems beside point sure whether atheists discussing , whether easily led show hypothetical atheists gullible , excitable easily led concrete cause case would also discuss concrete cause , rather atheism , factor caused subsequent behaviour i'm arguing atheism causes behaviour merely relevant definition atheism , belief frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements organization university maryland , college park lines 79 nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu article 2150 news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article dtr usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes , jewish , self hating jew doubt doubts n't define self hating jew means \? found idea self hating jew one hope come definition try coming definition self hating peoples , reject culture point see absolute negatives culture \( generally , regarding particular event \) accept views purely opposing aspects culture \( thus , selective belief use historical facts complete ignoring context results \) hate culture believe things getting mixed israel anti zionist seeing absolute negatives culture maybe , person see positives culture person opposes zionism actions state israel , one , consider actions state israel respect human rights palestinian people example action opposes jewish culture suppose uphold example respect jewish people learned , segregation years diaspora certainly describes elias , since intention recognizing , alongside palestinian experience perspective , exists also israelis might want recognize make self hating jew , far see , person telling truth jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel get moved see israeli army killing people occupied territories much get moved see people israel aap , precisely israeli society tremendously harmed actions \( government \) felt take response perceived threat , long strident emotional debate pain israelis feel forced balance desires survival moral beliefs trauma make choice made worse fact neither conveniently brushed aside \( result reasoned political debate \) sake , reshaped , far , seems blame always put read newsgroup , example , israel never guilty always responding actions , goes actions isreal also affect response cycle never ends also , blindness try understand feels always excuse always rationale explain things happen , worst part , seems time intention try de , care future , children , peace , etc , etc tim clock ph graduate student aap
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs distribution usa lines 42 article nataraja nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) writes mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) writes 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know ditto seems heard early saabs 2 cycle v4 's , could possibly care \? v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? 's mr3 , mr6 \? gm w v6 v8 n't know mustang 5 0 \( 302 \) camaros firebirds lexus ls400 \( sc400 \) infinity q45 v12 jaguar xjs mercedes bmw diablo please add list vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular , arlington hts il
mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) subject community spirited drug dealers \( \) organization trusted information systems , inc lines 20 nntp posting host sol tis com sylvain netcom com \( nicholas sylvain \) writes value gun shops city 's many fine community spirited drug dealers arm fine posting , exception particular lines hope n't really think average drug dealer actually purchases gun \( \) legal source matter fact , know several shootings recently guns purchased baltimore , broadway favorite place get cheap popular pieces popular referring kinds guns local youth gangs like pistol grip shotguns , cheap , tec 9s hate poke hole bubble , referring specific , specific incidents questions \? mjr
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject goalie masks nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 15 article acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) writes 'll give fuhr 's new one honourable mention , although n't seen closely yet \( looked good distance ! \) new buffalo one , second since 's sabres \? recall price tag 700 paint job mask , total price almost 1500 ouch yeah , 's second one believe price 've trying get good look bruin sabre telecasts , wow ! ever look good whoever paint job knew given fuhr 's play since got , bet bruins wishing n't \)
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 24 article 1993apr23 dsd es com bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article earth cs utexas edu mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) writes article vtserf cc vt edu ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) writes course , get moderate amount flamage expressing opinion , matter opinion somebody flame hey , hell mean \? suck god given right express opinions , carry gun wear helmet , goddamn everything stand stupid 'd give 0 5 scale 10 mentioning hitler koresh weighs favor , also neglected mention 105 mph , tennis balls , little girls countersteering another thing consider , , weasel , later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
magnus acs ohio state edu \( k gupta \) subject wordbasic visual basic macros template \? \? \? organization ohio state university lines 31 nntp posting host charm magnus acs ohio state edu working visual basic v2 0 windows specifically , working application generates formatted reports since , reports rather large , first question 1 way increase size list box text box visual basic windows beyond 64k limit \? \( yet optimistic \) come across way get around problem , working following approach trying create defined template ms word , using wordbasic macros open word visual basic \( vb \) load template mine , work following way first open ini file \( created vb time user selected kind report \) read section ini file jump appropriate code template open read file pertaining section read ini file 1 using function wordbasic , way specify change default ini file \( win ini \) ini file \? 2 using file input function wordbasic way read 32k one time \? help appreciated magnus acs ohio state edu
fmsalvat eos ncsu edu \( frank michae salvatore \) subject nc caps isles fans originator fmsalvat 106ps eos ncsu edu reply fmsalvat eos ncsu edu \( frank michae salvatore \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 13 caps isles fans , anyone interested catching games coliseum \( hopefully another \) catch game north carolina 's original sports bar chapel hill i'm pretty sure carry hts well three games time last night place know catch stanley cup action frank salvatore fmsalvat eos ncsu edu
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject help ide drive installation problems organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 28 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware qwerty tunisia ssc gov \( kris schludermann \) subject help ide drive installation problems date thu apr 22 12 11 58 1993 i'm trouble installing second ide drive promise ide caching controller first drive conner works fine second drive conner , currently slave drive problem slave drive recognized reported back free space disabling cache made effect else check \? krispy end file , press return quit krispy , lets start promise controller ther 4 6 made one dc 99m needs nothing done install stated hd know running fdisk formatting finished fdisk operation right ! sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
stephen tseng cornell edu subject iisi acceleration done iici \? organization cornell university lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host cu dialup 0112 cit cornell edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id cu dialup 0112 cit cornell edu x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 05 47 37 gmt wondering many accelerate iisi 's 20 mhz 25 mhz \( beyond \) done iici \( ie 25 mhz 32 33 mhz \) \? stephen tseng cornell edu
amd dcs ed ac uk \( alan duncan \) subject windy days reply amd dcs ed ac uk \( alan duncan \) organization department computer science , university edinburgh lines 25 \( robert castro \) rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu writes decide windy ride \? get blown riding bike drive home 's windy ride 8 p check nearby trees wind strength see badly affected wind alan alan duncan dept computer science , ducati 900ss edinburgh university , scotland
cobra chopin udel edu \( king cobra \) subject espn nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 66 article 1993apr20 wkuvx1 bitnet kozloce wkuvx1 bitnet writes jesus christ ! ! ! score 6 0 pens beating shit devils gave middle 2nd period espn something smart announcer states well folks game getting hand lets go islander capitals game celebrate actually making progress cs homework bored scheduled game tear throw jersey , hunter scores go ape shit 'cause first caps game 've able watch season espn \? go back blowout nj n't chance hell winning ! period ends sportscaster \( tied ! ! yes ! ! oops excuse \) goes penguin worship mode \( dont freak pens fans ! worthy ! i'm glad wont play much next year ! \) comes 3rd period \? blowout oh waiting cap isles get intermission good 've put close game back wait ! whats shit \? ! ! they're showing blowout ! ! \( oh guess score 7 0 penguins ! switch games ! ! ! \) holy shit 're changing games ! time ! ! lets see 'll stay later think proves point caps game goes overtime due contractual obligations switch fucking baseball \( sorry language im pissed ! \) hell going scheduled game went overtime \? espn get head ass know lot first think espn covers game wonderful job , last night felt way really hate watching devils pens game everyone knows devils going get ass kicked , even bother showing bored espn people n't seem brain sundays last night games , still going show devils pens thu sun hell thinking \? think keep like nhl never get major network contract 'd rather see caps game exciting hope baseball games rained espn atleast get diffrent hockey games experience makes person make new mistakes instead old one e mail cobra chopin udel edu
mongwa acsu buffalo edu \( kan mongwa \) subject change icon program windows nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu organization ub distribution usa lines 33 article 1993apr30 uenics evansville edu toelle uenics evansville edu \( chad toelle \) writes suppose want change particular icon program windows ms dos one would someone let know \? depends wether going replace icon comes standard windows , icon icon manager well , one comes windows , highlight item clicking , click see box says click going presented icons \( sometimes one \) n't like presented , click box , look file select browse icons presented , double click desired icon want replace icon icon manager , say instance , open icon manager bottom screen , block application icon wish replace found desired icon , click , holding mouse button , pull icon one wish change thats ! regards kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu state univeristy bitnet ubvms humpty dumpty new york buffalo ubvm
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject help led connectors motherboard organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 44 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware magnus acs ohio state edu \( stassen lantz \) subject help led connectors motherboard date thu apr 22 09 02 48 1993 bought 386dx 40 motherboard 50 documentation everything appears work , except i'm trouble getting led connectors working 've looked manuals 4 motherboards , pin configuration n't look anything like board pin arrangement look familiar anyone \? \? \? hints find information \? 1 10 speaker keylock 11 20 board came jumper vertically across two pins get power keylock work across pins 11 15 , reset across pins 9 shown 82 , press space , quit , 'h' help 19 , would prefer blow something experimentation date board 6 92 , opti chips would really appreciate help , thank advance n stassen lantz end file , press return quit , would realy realy help said chipset board upgradable board old bios \? \? \? sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
ngai nova bellcore com \( john ngai \) subject questions installing pas16 dx2 66v nntp posting host nova bellcore com reply ngai apostle bellcore com organization bellcore lines 21 went bought pas16 yesterday , installed gateway dx2 66v followed instructions set sb side dma 1 irq5 \( default \) pas side dma 5 irq 10 question configure mpu 401 compatibility manual installation program recommended irq2 , machine configured cascade 15 still use irq2 , choose different one \? right mpu 401 emulation mode turned actually cascade 15 business \? related questions \( gw vl bus machine owners \) told dma 5 , 6 , 7 16 bit , 0 4 8 bit 32 bit vl bus mastering \? \? dma channel \( \) used vl bus extension 32 bit dma \? yet another question , installing pas16 , links \( golf game \) hang machine select sb mode run , works adlib mode \? \? civilization however works fine \( least far \) body knows might done wrong \? thanks \( obviously newbie \) john
butt stanford edu \( butt \) subject toyota 1988 fx organization stanford university school medicine lines 13 distribution ba nntp posting host stanford edu summary low keywords toyota corolla 88 originator butt stanford edu sale , 1988 toyota corolla fx , fm radio , nothing else low mileage 28 , 000 \( ride bike work \) dark blue good condition leaving country year must sell great city car call renee \( 408 \) 924 leave message email account
stark dwovax enet dec com \( todd stark \) subject mind machines \? organization digital equipment corporation lines 57 nntp posting host dwovax summary brief intro mind machines general article tripos com , homer tripos com \( webster homer \) writes recently learned devices supposedly induce specific brain wave frequencies users simply wearing principle underlying devices well establish principle psychology called , ' whereby external sensory influence gross electrical patterns brain function people experiment widely \( \) used medicine therapeutic purposes given exception tens similar units used external electrical stimulation , usually pain relief , really light sound machine experimental sense specific medical category effect , experimental drugs , fda specifically regulate medical devices way pharmaceuticals would think work reported would incredibly useful , reliable studies therapeutic enhancement effects mind machines , relaxation related effects found meditation self well reported benefits mostly anecdotal subjective far , 's hard generalize potential value pretty good general non technical introduction wide variety devices may found would buddha wear walkman \? interesting background material , names suppliers , capsule reviews specific equipment mind machines \( aka light sound machines \) work \? induce alpha , theta , delta waves person wearing \? research done \? could used tranquilizer \? another bit quackery \? important question might whether enough additional value worth investing found legitimate reliable effect experimentally certain conditions , \( demonstrated influence physiological processes previously considered purely \) never particularly valuable therapeutic tool skill level required subtlety temporary nature effects cases maybe someone else , used whole mailing list devoted mind machines , somewhere net web homer homer tripos com kind regards , todd todd stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation \( 215 \) 354 philadelphia , pa usa \( word \) skin living thought wendell holmes , jr
magnus acs ohio state edu \( \) subject used gsx r 750s sale \? nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 19 recently sold nighthawk order upgrade zippy little sport bike , however , partial bigger zippy bikes like gsx r 750 one town sale , sure whether wants part ! please send email would like sell , know one sale , could offer details performance even would n't sell appreciate help ! 1983 pontiac 2000 se 1986 mercury topaz gs looking bike ! baby gsx r 750 1100 \? \? modification construction cbr \? \? likes ! vfr750f \? \?
othello ucdavis edu \( gentleman loser \) subject illegal postings ucdavis summary apology real account holder originator othello ucdavis edu organization university california , davis lines 38 readers talk politics mideast , alt flame , alt stupidity posting message behalf staff member ucdavis whose account broken used post offensive messages groups dave begin included message othello ucdavis edu please advised person \( \) sending inflammatory remarks receiving illegally accessing account campus information technology security group cut account 's access hacker , every effort made track person apologize subjected derogatory comments made person name attached thank campus security nature problem sincerely , p ''' \( \) ooo \( \) ooo david mein , es ist ist ucdavis edu ich nicht von dir ucd news administrator und , nah eco
shaig think com \( shai guday \) subject israel apartheid state \? quite organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 57 distribution world nntp posting host composer think com article 2703 spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes article early bird think com shaig think com \( shai guday \) writes article spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes arabs cabinet look long took insignificant positions assigned ! based solely race political belief security jewish members party always welcome fellow arabs first , arab standing party , party , solely dependent upon amount political power wield effectively question individuals standing party puts arab cabinet post arab rejected position given jew party talking power racism would care deny happened several occasions labour \? please cite specific examples arab party member rejected jewish party member accepted examine sure discover arab party member power base jewish counterpart party structure israel changed quite bit insofar knesset member elections go knesset members parties elected via top standing members end cabinet posts purely political power issue check ranking arab labor party members , opposed members let know posts held jews ranked lower party arab fellow , arguments sake , arab israelis vote labor next election , rest assured number arab mks cabinet members would increase proportionately power shift party individuals even belong nice peaceful zionist mainstream parties welcome arabs excluded security grounds excuse sure looks like racism overlooking fact wield political power individuals based upon wider collective power base arabs excluded cabinet , even things suggest , arabs unless course better reason \? happy listen good reason leftist jew less security risk leftist arab party look present cabinet reasoning see work purely political far security goes think serious made right wing jews well e g sharon shai guday stealth bombers , os software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninja skies cambridge ,
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject vandalizing sky organization u toronto zoology lines 12 article 1993apr27 cs ucf edu clarke acme ucf edu \( thomas clarke \) writes , wanted paint symbol moon , would give pause would n't bother 'd laugh would n't work surface moon already pretty dark , contrast would poor could n't possibly see reason moon looks bright 's bright sunlight otherwise dark sky evidently heinlein n't know svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
matthews oswego edu \( harry matthews \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization suny oswego lines 3 bullshit ! ! !
warren csee usf edu \( warren \) subject , g , h type amplifiers organization university south florida , department computer science engineering lines 41 distribution world nntp posting host csee usf edu article 0 andrew cmu edu , mark writes hey , someone clue weird types amplifiers \? brief intro concepts behind would cool clues type , b , ab already stuff , ones mentioned occasionally dont know think type like pwm scheme something thanx advanced whole point weird amplifier types improved efficiency class amps pwm \( pulse width modulation \) amps work much like switching power supplies think 've seen things called class well 're capable high , would suitable high power 've yet see anything like used audiophile amp , though 've trying design three last year \( used inverter ups \) , serious problems layout \( 10 450 's parallel help able isolated drive would appreciated \) \) i'm absolutely positive , beleive g' amp one operates variable switched power supply rail voltage carver amps something like use sort phase control circuit \( fully understand operation \) reduce transformer size , beleive patented apart \( trying fix \) found three rail voltages switched ran simulation pspice found topology would greatly reduce power dissipation \( heat \) large signal conditions , driving reactive loads \( draw high current zero voltage \) think speaker dr diode great sound starts warren csee usf edu source warren renoir com
informatik uni tuebingen de \( juergen \) subject alpha kubota graphic vs sgi organization zdv uni tuebingen lines 16 nntp posting host informatik uni tuebingen de experience porting gl program alpha workstation kubota 's denali 3d graphic problems \? real graphic performance like sgi r4000 indigo \? juergen universitaet tuebingen , office 49 0 \( \) 29 auf der 10 , c9 fax 49 0 \( \) 29 w 7400 tuebingen , germany email informatik uni tuebingen de
rintintin colorado edu \( dan martin \) subject touring southwest nntp posting host rintintin colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 30 kim fatcity cts com \( kim sharpe \) writes us touring utah mid june see canyons helpful hints stay things see avoid plans see bryce , zion , arches grand close point additional trip required \? help would nice thank support spring break , went four corners area back beautiful stop made utah needles overlook though bit east appear going , highly recommend imho far beautiful grand canyon well marked , one paved roads \( heading north \) order get right place , clarify needles overlook , recreation area heading north , second , may marked overlook overlook 20 \( dirt , matters \) miles past needles overlook road overlook paved reasonably maintained \( ran 70mph \) looking overlook like god looking world n't far way , see dan martin ca n't stand proliferation paperwork spot useless fight forms 've got kill people producing colorado edu vladimir p , soviet plant manager
carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) subject faq essay homosexuality organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 20 articles available church gay people , pro gay viewpoint , might interest people participating thread please email would like send \( warning , 70k worth material make sure mailbox disk space available \) short answers questions 've seeing \( explain verses \? , justify actions \? \) 've asking really want idea people 's thinking , encourage serious reading dr ann b carlson \( b carlson larc nasa gov \) ms 366 nasa langley research center ` \) hampton , va 23681 0001
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject forbidden reveal wiretap \? organization university missouri lines 4 nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu 's forbidden inform someone police wiretap phone , legal work sweeper , report person work whether found bug \?
puk ac za \( \) subject bios passwords lines 13 organization pu cho hope 's somebody help us students change ami bios passwords computers set always 'd like know way bypass remove password tried switching bios , avail battery soldered , three machines still would help ca n't remove batteries thanks puk ac za \) money ca n't buy happiness , surely pays illusion
mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) subject satanic tounges organization computer science dept , qmw , university london , uk lines 23 article may 10 05 08 50 1993 3730 athos rutgers edu bjorn b larsen delab sintef writes chose believe want , allowed define christianity see parts see something see , vice versa , give right play jokes belief ! important christianity damaged people speak tongues make claims miraculously speaking foreign language power holy spirit , easily shown simply making noises , damages christians , since many christians distinguish various sects modest claim tongues simply uncontrolled praise words fail surely one used make use practice agree point charismatic practices like lead forms worship worshipper showing genuine praise god one things jesus warned us matthew huntbach
isi ethz ch \( thomas \) subject voltage regulation current limiting organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 21 andy collins \( acollins uclink berkeley edu \) wrote one quick question throw guys class project , need design build power supply following specs adjustable 1 12v current limited 1a voltage must stay within 2 designated value 0 1a ac ripple less 5 mv \( rms \) decide kind circuit must know limiter current allowed temp drift first case , use transistor voltage reference 0 7 vdc temp drift k second case better use ref opamp circuit detect maximum current output opamp limit current bye thomas
rbp netcom com \( bob pasker \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 29 joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) writes know 's already bmw mailing list , since 's r bike list \( limited r80 r100 bikes well believe \) list geared toward r100 r80 gs pd st riders , emphasizing road bikes , numerous people list bmw twins well , well usual contingent boxer talk welcome main list 50 subscribers also digest version 10 run 10 12 day , mostly technical little chatter flames subscriptions via e mail text message , send command subscribe bmw gs request sf ca us main list bmw gs digest request sf ca us digest version address used determine receive mail would shame split boxer riders different lists unless , course , existing list failed meet readers' needs bob pasker rbp netcom com
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization hand held products , inc lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr23 7011 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance eloquently , somewhat , put supposed \? let \? well , \? fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time way words sure get shrill cue joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
cab col hp com \( chris best \) subject space marketing boycott organization service lines 14 nntp posting host hpctdkz col hp com according person talked , proposed billboard small resolve naked eye small visually unimportant anyway , suggested visual impact would approximate jumbo jet feet \( \) altitude sure n't tailor comments according guessed wanted hear \? words , lie \? think good would billboard advertiser nobody see \? would advertise , telescope companies \? pretty narrow audience
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject new encryption algorithm organization electronic society reply jim rand org 's message 25 apr 93 21 59 33 gmt 5v5 chinet chi il us rand org nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 22 article rand org jim rand org \( jim gillogly \) writes 're mistaken nsa 's communications intelligence mission strictly foreign governments 's excerpt enabling charter \( 24 oct 52 , truman \) clarify charter declassified feb 1990 foia request made public interesting ! get whole thing \? nsa standard setting business , though 's clipper stuff came nist , believe coming standards based best inputs government agencies , would include nsa several newspaper reports made fairly clear nsa real work ca n't believe everything read papers \) , package information nist faxing little information beyond 's widely known sounds like 's true pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 133 distribution world nntp posting host orbit src umd edu article 1993may15 husc3 harvard edu husc11 harvard edu \( milan \) writes article mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) writes annihilation islam \( turks \) older serbian agenda indeed , annihilation germans wwii however , important quote interview serbs wanted exterminate muslims , could done wwi , loved small nation europe serbs , although muslims bosnian muslims quite however , quite misrepresentation wwi , many bosnian muslims killed land taken serbs , motive plunder , fictitious rebellion even earlier , one point destruction mosques serbia expulsion muslims dr , political serbian regime , says memorandum expulsion presented royal government march 7 , 1937 , belgrade mode removal describes expulsion ethnic proceed state terror private initiative , e plunder private initiative , , assist greatly direction distribute weapons colonists , need old forms action organized secretly assisted whole affair presented conflict clans , need , ascribed economic reasons finally , local riots incited suppressed clans , rather army remains one means , serbia employed great practical effect , , secretly burning villages city quarters \( emphasis mine \) events serbia forced virtually muslims late 19th century policy state terrorism muslims , aided private initiative , continued wwii today example , book od \( sarajevo , 1974 \) writes \( pg 235 \) serbs killed muslim wwii even though claimed serbian patriot , explaining action follows inasmuch serb , serb name , turk e muslim since helped us , shall torture shot instead cutting throat past year , serbs repeated slaughter muslim residents destruction mosques , including historical monuments , completes muslim presence territories claimed serbs strongly dispute notion croats similar older agenda , fact , past century two , croats muslims seen lot common , generally friendly relations suggestion croat muslim relationship anything like serb muslim relationship completely wrong say croats muslims lot common imply separate peoples touching nearly cried read unfortunately , mostly untrue part claim untrue \? explain , withdraw claim croats croatia mostly contacts muslims , since mostly dealt extreme long time ago however one main agendas turning bosnia purely catholic state croatia never many muslim citizens historical reasons , part ottoman empire last major battles hungarian monarchy ottoman empire croatia end 17th century need remind modern croatian nationalism came dr , saw bosnian muslims best croats , much 1853 contemplated moving operations sarajevo \? confusing croatian nationalism political nationalism always stronger theories , clearly croat muslim alliance bosnia herzegovina trouble arguments clearly intended create deepen split add things j evans , foot b h describes catholic clergy last century apparently scared serbs , turks , serbs growing stronger , unlike turks , represented great danger idea catholic bosnia president tudjman clearly states book muslims exist separate nation croats serbs , many times suggested , even foreign papers , solution split bosnia josip knows working image croatia international relations 101 'll learn unless weak unite strong player , soon taken 's end balance power thinking brought together croats bosnian muslims natural unstable i'm working pointing basic fact croats muslims aware long serbia existed wrong think image stake croatia deep interest alliance bosnian muslims , vice versa think tudjman understands , although much choice point tensions better earlier , open confrontation developed although still think croatia survive , lose lot bosnian muslims may end even worse however , position horrible perhaps see getting worse key point still hope left \? , bets mr clearly , happy i'm deeply hurt image survival concept partnership believe natural essential croats muslims sigh josip
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? distribution na reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 54 woods ncar ucar edu \( greg woods \) writes article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes course , claiming \( \) galarraga 's inability defer gratification n't hurting team n't paid walk rbi guy whatever alright , 's enough 've suffered kinds insults \( typical net \) , give break galarraga currently batting 400 guys complaining n't drawing enough walks would please guys , bat 1 000 \? hardly claim hurting team would help obp higher batting average yes , april 12 usa today lists le grand 422 batting average 413 obp 's 19 45 hitting 0 \( zip , nil , nada \) walks reason lot us galarraga 's long history showing nowhere near real level ability \( except drawing walks \) hit 400 , say , even 250 ab 's 'd convinced real change ability obp avg , 'd amazed 'd make bet would unique feat history game 45 ab 's prove \? look fluke players point season player avg ab blauser 367 49 grace 391 48 milligan 400 35 conine 375 40 lansing 400 50 slaught 406 32 guys really good \? well , word , significant galarraga 's average \? 45 ab level , hit worth 020 'd one hits called error one taken away good defensive play , 'd 380 range goes 0 4 next game 's way 388 one game come back june let 's talk happens pitchers start throwing fewer good pitches starts making lots outs \( someone speculated might happen \) , would agree n't taking enough pitches comment n't paid walk n't mean license swing bad pitches make outs 's along lines 's batting 400 leading league rbi 's bloody difference make n't drawing lot walks \? sheesh 's history , greg history n't walk much swings bad pitches , average n't good 45 ab 's n't mean awful lot compared history couple thousand , especially 's ample evidence \( 0 bb 1992 \) basic hitting approach n't changed yeah , might suddenly turned 400 hitter never walks , n't bet rent money mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com historical basis , middle east conflicts last long time vp dan quayle nightline , 2 october 1990
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject get keys originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 14 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes proposal could modified get court order tap n't charge crime within , say , 90 days , buy new phone charge , found innocent , buy new phone \) yeah , right , atf place bad tip pay repair , sure computer equipment raid charge crime within , say , 90 days 're stretching naivete bit one love two minds without single thought philip barry
dspalme mke ab com \( diane \) subject wife wants convertible organization allen bradley co lines 35 nntp posting host tinman mke ab com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes help ! ! ! wife informed wants convertible next car jp vllyoak resun com \( jeff perry \) writes fyi , last week pbs show motor week gave results thought best cars '93 convertible category , \( snip , snip \) porsche patent targa name \? mean , convertible means top , del sol certainly center lifts would term targa \( unless porsches gonna sue \) know rear window rolls , still hardly consider car convertible drew go , course porsche n't patent targa name case , would fiat \? suppose technically del sol convertible literal sense , certainly open topped car addition , rear section behind removable top makes car safer convertible \( flame \) diane dspalme mke ab com
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject ! ! ! ! ! n't deal man dana weick ! ! ! ! ! organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 29 well , i'm going quote message , anyhow mail fraud federal offence ! time big b g f n e ! ! ! ! contact local authorities arizona resides , inform situation \( proof transaction , would also help \) , able take yeah , guy get heavily penalized n't think never met cannot prosecuted ! ! ! take w n ! ! ! hope i'm \? inspiration comes baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca seek baden de bari unknown
leapman austin ibm com \( scott leapman \) subject \? \? \? \? originator leapman junior austin ibm com reply login austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 5 tried stuff 1991 saturn sc , disappointed returned refund polished car 2 hours could n't remove marks thin film finish also attracted dirt without stuff
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization computer science department , stanford university lines 12 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds one exception , 's pretty good description many baptists know exception know difference 16 ar 15 heck even know looks like richard petty 's stock car n't mean 's racing stock car may , 've figured appearance n't function andy
green island com \( robert greenstein \) subject iridology credence \? \? \? organization strawman incorporated lines 11 article dpw com dpw com \( janice price \) writes saw printed flyer stated person licensed n't believe state licenses robert greenstein fool cannot learn laughs , thinking green island com laughter shows superiority instead latent idiocy
stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization university missouri lines 10 school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? stephen
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject government lying organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 23 yesterday , fbi saying least three bodies gunshot wounds , indicating shot trying escape fire today 's paper quotes medical examiner saying evidence gunshot wounds recovered bodies beginning siege , reported koresh class iii \( machine gun \) license , today 's paper quotes government saying , , n't license today 's paper reports number bodies found shoulder weapons next , using dying n't sound like sort action would expect suicide government lies , tries cover incompetence negligence believe fbi 's claims anything else , see lying \? system government beyond reform clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
cup portal com \( ken h \) subject phonenet pc organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 6 anyone experiences report using phonenet pc \? 're thinking investing one cards lone pc work ken cup portal com
mcmahan netcom com \( dave mc mahan \) subject 8x oversampling cd player keywords oversampling , cd , digitized audio organization dave mcmahan netcom services lines 63 previous article , kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) writes article dd0 netcom com hcb netcom com \( h c bowman \) writes bought new portable cd player office , notice proudly proclaims 8 times oversampling box think understand oversampling \( rate discrete samples exceeds highest frequency component interest factor \) , n't understand 8 times business seems bought first cd player \( really 10 years ago \? ! \) , specs said 4 times could someone please tell whether i'm getting senile \? i'm , good player take samples higher rate \? data ever read \( barring , course \) , eventually gets turned 44 1 khz , 16 bit , two channel data oversampling takes two discrete data points , interpolates n 1 points n times oversampling asked , people said interpolation simply linear interpolation , significantly complicated quite correct understanding filtering interpolation , would distort frequency content signal listening generally , players run samples thru pass filter network done ecg waveforms person 's heart , effect rather actually peaks n't \( correctly , ! \) fills gaps properly computed values , real sample taken point use cpu math takes decent \( unreasonable \) amount cpu time keep things realtime write efficient code case care , filtering method uses fir \( finite impulse response \) filter 'd guess cd makers use kind method anybody know real answer \? 'd say use tapped delay line resistor op amp weighting accomplish filtering strikes cost effective method volume production runs anyway , , purpose oversampling move effective sampling rate n times 44 1 khz , order use higher frequency filters quality filter , higher oversampling lets build cheaper filters , whereas price filter , higher lets build better filters , assuming quality components cd player remained , oversampling allow manufacturer produce slightly better sound due anti alias filtering actually , think reason say would guess acutally cheaper filter signal use components give filter roll n't sharp 's bad charge something \( think \) actually less costly build seriously doubt filters cost better built price spec , spec says cheap possible ! joel kolstad dave dave mcmahan mcmahan netcom com 17 382 59 190
teal csn org \( \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 nntp posting host teal csn org organization colorado supernet , inc x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 13 dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) writes may faq \( , please direct known answer \) getting frustrated looking help running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close 've noticed also way explained windows clear upper memory blocks program done anyone know \?
brahms udel edu \( oliver p weatherbee \) subject micron computer owners , please read ! nntp posting host brahms udel edu organization university delaware lines 43 uploaded recent windows drivers cirrus gd5426 chip based display cards uploads directory ftp cica indiana edu \( file zip \) 're recent , downloaded cirrus bbs \( 570 226 \) last night unable get , email maybe upload sites well local bus based card \( vl24 bitblaster micron \) think drivers work isa cards \( least includes drivers \) found new drivers significant improvement 1 2 version , improving graphic winmarks \( v3 11 \) 2 million \( 7 77 9 88 \) although could result intentional benchmark cheating cirrus 's part n't think steve gibson 's \( columnist info world \) graphic card comparisons \( also found cica ftp site name winadv zip \) extracted following sake comparison wintach 11 word cad paint overall steve 's system 486 33 vlb ati graphics ultra pro 9 33 10 34 20 78 8 28 14 90 13 58 system 486sx 33 vlb vl24 bitblaster 9 88 8 65 11 71 18 84 15 40 13 65 viper , think hell deal third cost ati card compared cards included gibson 's review micron system owner 's , would interested hear opinions dtc local bus disk controller system came maxtor drive \( 120 mb \) first giving disk winmarks 16 kb , 22 kb good gets \? ca n't get norton 's disk reading intercepts calls , least program said oliver weatherbee oliver earthview
mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) subject good reasons wave nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bnr ottawa , dms software design lines 27 article mdennie beryllium , mdennie xerox com \( matt dennie \) writes 1993apr22 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes article 1993apr22 tti com paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) writes 've people cages wave give thumbs occassion \( always return wave thumbs \) never happened started riding harleys , may something ever notice little kid wave bikers \? reactions little boys seems enthusiastic wave \( also good see \) always wave see kid least noticed bike figure helps future sport yeah , 's impossible tough biker 5 year old starts waving beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking !
scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) subject two beemer questions \( r80gs \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) organization columbia university lines 37 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) writes hello folks , i'm happy new r80gs range 238 miles 4 8 gallons 's 50 mpg ! ! surprisingly , bike real cruiser expecting something rough 's sweet backroad honey go pretty much anyplace 'd take mountain bike far shaft effect , 's torque effect crankshaft opinion rev sitting still \( moving \) bike twists bit maybe n't ride fast enough get shaft effect , opinion start another shaft effect discussion , twist feel revving sitting still due larger fly wheels bmw r bikes \( maybe k 's , dunno \) use whack throttle stop lights , 'll really rock bike \( right \) snip snip 2 \) run two lights , standard headlamp plus sidelamp mounted crash bar illumination 's excellent way , full beam coming level motor \( left side \) lamp beam linear get bright streak illumination left right , really picks periphery \( deer lurking , etc \) combined headlamp high see like day 've heard bmw alternators n't crank much need shut sidelamp i'm around dirt low rpm \? please post come conclusion thinking putting light cylinder guard r100s , wondering whether going switch lights every time 5 , 000 rpm \) '90 kawi 550 zephyr \( erik asphaug \) wanna sit buy drink someday temple dog sea bass sears scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu dod 516 stanley , id '79 yamaha xs750f '77 bmw r100s '85 toyota 4runner nyc , ny
chrisa hpwarr hp com \( chris \) subject winfax files ascii format \? organization none reply chrisa hpwarr hp com \( chris \) lines 11 winfax pro provides ocr ocr omnipage although customizable job auto \( want \) much cheaper package \( omni page professional 700 \) sold last time check winfax pro 100 \? \?
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject texas ti 81 calculator organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 4 texas instruments ti 81 excellent scientific calculator best offer
cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) nntp posting host fsh mtu edu organization michigan tech x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 25 wed , 21 apr 1993 16 01 03 gmt , larry cipriani \( lvc cbnews cb att com \) wrote according wnci 97 9 fm radio morning , dayton , ohio operating gun buy back giving 50 every functional gun turned ran money one day , passing 50 vouchers sort looking funds keep operating another media event brought hci something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works gun buy back charity \? get sponsors fund purchase used firearms , check , give sell low price poor persons wishing firearms \) ok , guys work details needy , etc charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physics , michigan tech , houghton , mi 49931 government little great things , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson , 1821
cypress west sun com \( mark \) subject cybele organization sunsoft south lines 29 distribution world reply cypress west sun com nntp posting host article aims unc edu , med unc edu \( hunt \) writes relation name \? paragraph seems indicate might gives etymology coming ancient greek sigma iota beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha \( b ih l l \) claimed come sigma iota omicron beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha \( b ih l l \) \( read properly \) turn came \( athenian \) theta epsilon omicron beta omicron upsilon lambda \( th eh b ih l ae \) n't know much attis , would n't surprise learn god tied athenian capital alpha tau tau iota upsilon sigma \( k u \) list etymology cybele since noun , suggest greek spelling word would much closer two words perhaps cybele french latin spelling \?
alleg edu \( brett ball \) subject nhl letter organization allegheny college lines 2 wanted send letter nhl would send \? brett e ball
mac cis ksu edu \( myron \) subject medical examiner says evidence bullet wounds either way organization kansas state university lines 20 nntp posting host depot cis ksu edu dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes apparently needing clarify comments thursday , dr nizam \( spelling \? \) , medical examiner tarrant county , texas , authority waco deaths , stated since autopsies performed , evidence bullet wounds , evidence bullet wounds janet reno also stated never told bullet wounds anyone justice department news radio station \( lawrence , ks \) 6 15 monday morning , heard someone nasal sounding voice \( supposedly waco coroner \? \) claim found two persons killed single shot forehead myron preserve freedoms using four boxes soap , ballot , jury , cartridge myron , phd ee assoc professor \( 913 \) 539 home internet mac cis ksu edu \( 129 130 10 5 \) 532 work , 532 7353 fax uucp rutgers ! depot ! mac packet bbs ks usa
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject dos 4 01 \( 5 25 3 5 \) sale cheap ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! lines 19 organization dakota state university lines 19 sale dos 4 01 , original manuals , box , either 5 25 3 5 disks \( full version , oem \) 15 00 \( including shipping charges \) please respond ! bitzm columbia dsu edu mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) subject broncos distribution world organization goucher college , towson , md reply george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) lines 18 anybody information second generation broncos \? \( i'm talking bronco ii 's , i'm referring broncos began production 1978 based f 150 chassis believe \) need know look , tops removed models , easily done also , kind price range looking \? \( e blue book \) i'm college right , would like jeep unfortunately , 've got bit ride school , need carry lot junk dormitory spring fall think bronco \( removable fiberglass \) would better \( read bigger \) choice cj 5 cj 7 even better anybody maryland virginia area interested selling one \? george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
tknuth bio ri ccf org \( todd \) subject wounded redbirds nntp posting host bio ri ccf org reply tknuth bio ri ccf org organization cleveland clinic foundation lines 7 article 1 acad drake edu , sbp002 acad drake edu \( \) writes anyone know status jeffries arocha \? arocha broke finger trying field ground ball put dl game may require surgery know jefferies
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject 'll see demand raise \( 2000 years etc \) organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' darkside osrhe uoknor edu lines 16 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes keith ryan \( kmr4 po cwru edu \) wrote thoughts 0m jack handey 0m go , parachute n't open , friends watching fall , think funny gag would pretend swimming 0m keith , must know escape sequences \( ansi otherwise \) enter , terminal dumb 's something significant village many happy returns ! seeing ! ways means get reign tek !
peter adams mail trincoll edu subject trincoll journal interactive macintosh opinion x xxmessage id 32 dynamic trincoll edu x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 13 06 06 gmt organization x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 lines 31 announcing trincoll journal trinity college 's publication trincoll journal interactive written hypercard publication offers wide variety information concerning trinity campus , greater hartford area addition journal also provides unique forum opinion expression would like invite internet community participate creation publication submitting articles , art work , events \( greater hartford area \) , anything else think interesting , journal week articles may written anything long written well ! also interested mirroring newsletters information easily accessible non intensive macintosh users weekly deadline submitting materials 10 00pm \( eastern standard time \) please send submissions journal mail trincoll edu receive journal week send mail message words subscribe journal subject line journal mail trincoll edu please include full name body text find everyone thinking subscribe today
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization texas instruments inc lines 18 1993apr21 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes predict outcome study went wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives mean n't already \? could fooled apparently easy fool words , remark obviously someone would n't know difference insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) subject gamma ray bursters organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 27 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu prb access digex com \( pat \) writes 4 \) know 's real close , like slightly extra solar , parallax measurements bursts say beyond 25 au , due low accuracy position determination single detectors wondering , people 's opinion , new physics problem einstein got well known effect copernicus , started looking irregularities planetary motion big enough problem , create new area physics \? little speculative thinking folks may new physics problem \( e problem involving new physics \) however , data good enough rule 100 models use old physics new physics big step , tolerated alternative example , dark matter problem \( 's universe meets eye \) question comparable mystery grbs , much better data regarding postulate new particles time explain , one actually believe particles real \( several \) detects lab david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov
wingert vnet ibm com \( bret wingert \) subject level 5 \? organization ibm , federal systems co software services lines 33 disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 mit edu \( david harris \) message id mit edu wingert vnet ibm com subject level 5 shuttle software work bret , familiar software work received level 5 rating , could post description references \? think many people would interested know ibm team effort differently organizations projects earned rating familiar project onboard shuttle flight software project software controls space shuttle dynamic phases well orbit ultra high reliability extremely low error rates several papers published subject 'll collect references may article ibm systems journal late '93 , early '94 magic formula dedicated disciplined folks worked put together process finds removes errors corrected based errors escape present one day overview process periodically interested folks next one may 19th washington , c fax specifics interested bret wingert wingert vnet ibm com \( 713 \) 282 fax \( 713 \) 282
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject excess shuttle criticism shuttle 0 defects bizarre \? dc organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 17 nntp posting host access digex net article stephens ngis stephens geod emr ca \( dave stephenson \) writes ' went mention aviation found adjustable tool box fired adjustable trying fit nuts , fits none properly , damages demanding environment air adjustable wrench rightly considered lethal instrument dave , recall air craft safety wires important , bolt face bad shape replaced another 30 , aircraft grade bolt see adjustable eating profit , lives \? pat
rtsg mot com \( jay \) subject gts headlight covers nntp posting host organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group distribution usa lines 15 90 eagle talon wanted pair gts headlight covers actually , turning signal covers since year pop lights went auto shop bought tail light 45 , turning signal covers stock asked much would told would cost another 40 thought bit high two small pieces plastic anyone find cheaper pair even used one \? jay marble rtsg mot com motorola , inc arlington heights , il
cs psu edu \( \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) nntp posting host cs psu edu organization penn state computer science lines 74 article 73k venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes subject europe vs muslim bosnians satya prabhakar , prabhak giga cs umn edu date wed , 12 may 1993 15 50 31 gmt article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu satya prabhakar , prabhak giga cs umn edu writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims kind generalization utterly inappropriate bosnian muslims nazis world war 2 bosnian muslims risked lifes hide jews nazis , jews survived war remember fact jewish leader sarajevo remained saying wants repay debt bosnian muslims saved many jewish lives ww2 similarly , serbs muslims group serial killers , rapists , thieves control vast yugoslav army arsenal many serbs oppose atrocities one serbian heritage condemns emphatically genocide carried muslims mladic forces , condemn generalization bosnian muslims serbs fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , every place earth scene saga mutual hatred destruction holocaust fresh case another chapter 900 year history attacks jews europe n't make acceptable balkan history make genocide bosnian muslims acceptable taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry standing allowing well armed criminals slaughter bosnian muslim civilians , enforcing arms embargo bosnian muslims religious bigotry direct complicity mass murder could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word tell us region earth long history war nato largest military police force world helpless could stopped carnage year ago satya prabhakar regards , mike michael sells , department religion , haverford college haverford , pa 19041 1392
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization duke university durham , n c lines 24 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu article stafford stafford winona msus edu stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) writes article wrs 4180 wslack uucp , wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) wrote uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! statement true spirit list false statement misinformation 's spirit , bill 5 wheelies 's chain drive model wow , custom made \? wish could get chain drive wheelies real andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
subject buy back byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 9 dealership today looking buying car salesman showing us something calling buy back car given back new model next year \? , many miles good number types cars generally good buy \? thanks , ellen
nusunix1 nus sg \( wai ming \) subject help animation pcx , gif files organization national university singapore x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 15 hi , 've series images sun raster formats 've converted pcx formats \( conversion others like gif well \) would like know software able animation formats , record animation onto video tape thank , wai ming internet nus sg national university singapore bitnet nusvm nus sg
pjc jet uk \( peter j card \) subject vandalizing sky organization joint european torus lines 35 access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes planes ruin night sky ruin night sky radio towers ruin night sky like said , get vote , create national parks include air space heard prof mcnally , days astronomy undergraduate , photon pollution easy imagine taking practical steps modify sodium lamps street outside mill hill observatory 12 gauge shotgun \) however , seriously , possible limit effects , adding reflector , light ground , need bonus , power consumption required given illumination level reduced strangely enough , astronomers often seek lobby elected local authorities use lighting systems , considerable success desert areas around major us observatories least , thats mcnally told us , years ago \( british local authorities care less , far see \) suppose right dark skies , worthwhile one illuminated orbital billboards seem especially , presumably area international law , , although find idea right bear anti satellite weapons intriguing peter card , joint european torus , abingdon 3ea uk tel 0235 fax email pjc jet uk compuserve , 366 others made ` ' disclaimer please note personal view construed official comment jet project
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject universe black holes , 2000 years organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 13 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) writes let 's say drop marble black hole races , ever faster , towards even horizon , thanks space caused excessive gravity , object approaches event horizon travel integrating curve gives time reach event horizon infinity math says nothing enter black hole correct event horizon center black hole merely distance escape velocity equal speed light , event horizon finite radius keith
ez027993 chip ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization chef dave koresh 's bbq pits , inc \( subsidiary \) lines 30 want speed ballgames \? 1 enforce two minutes innings , many fields allowing three minutes fifteen seconds tv commercials gone , thirty action begins upon return game two minutes , last first pitch , ball called 2 n't grant time batters want may get pissed first , 'll get line , anything pitcher throws 're adjusting strike 3 mandate rule permitting n seconds pitches \( current rule lenient \) , enforce fifteen seconds enough time pitch n't released 15 , call ball , restart clock baseball games take 2 51 nl , shade 3 hours al 's damn long n't like play 3 hour games , much less watch game long butt falls asleep , i'm watching tv , 'll channel surf pitches , catching versions mr ed , leave beaver , wacky nick nite gary huckabay think 's loud enough , hole \? movie rights well , 're trouble hearing , sir , available thru 'd happy turn n't ted frank know many people age liked king 's x
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject vitamin infection lines 217 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine 've sent gordon r posts protein , vitamin c vitamin prior posting internet professional courtesy somehow 've managed delete vitamin post text file gordon r promised send back 's pretty mad right 'll since digging references time consuming \( took day pms post \) , i'm going cite references \( gordon r \) i'm going include material weinsier morgan 's new nutrition textbook \( original material \) point i'm going say support medical community diet know affect immune system man , long time protein always biggest role infection 've already covered role protein protecting infection i'm going hit consider important nutrient u far infection concerned \( vitamin \) vitamin originally discovered , commonly referred anti infection vitamin many people \( linus one \) decided take title away vitamin give vitamin c \( 've already covered \) big mistake \( opinion \) vitamin also getting reputation anti cancer vitamin \( good reason \) nci currently numerous clinical trials progress see vitamin prevent cancer cure well 's role cancer infection almost identical \( quite \) vitamin comes two completely different forms \( retinol beta carotene \) retinol animal form 's toxic , beta carotene plant form 's completely retinol beta carotene display good absorption human gut bile present \( 60 80 \) liver stores retinol tissues use retinol binding protein \( rbp \) normal human adult liver 500 , 000iu 1 , 000 , 000iu retinol stored born 10 , 000iu liver u autopsy shown 30 americans die \( less \) amount vitamin born n't believe nutritional reserves \( like retinol liver \) important , low vitamin reserve going affect believe \( like \) nutrient reserves important , problem vitamin u u rda vitamin adult male 1 , 000 5 , 000iu vitamin adult 800 4 , 000iu vitamin diet surveys show americans getting amount vitamin \( either retinol beta carotene \) diet nrc \( national research council \) going release new rda table 1985 rda vitamin vitamin c raised \( c per day 7 , per day adult males \) report 's recommendations killed \? concern increasing supplementation main reason set prevent clinical disease , keep nutrient reserves full many scientist u feel time come move away prevention clinical pathology concept move towards promotion optimum health concept , especially since good data show nutrient reserves extremely important periods stress battle new group scientist collected come 1989 rda list lowered rda several nutrients moved dietary guidelines back first started 1940 's \( get enough prevent clinical pathology , enough fill reserves \) know autopsy 10 americans liver normal vitamin reserve \( 500 , 000iu 1 , 000 , 000iu \) preach nutrient reserves students tell measure patients vitamin , liver biopsy \( autopsy data \) tell much somebody stored tell easily someone liver vitamin measuring retinol level \( levels dl highly suggestive filled liver vitamin 's time stop taking retinol \) normal range serum retinol 20 dl diagnosed serum retinol level 2 , dl higher \( interpretation diagnostic test , wallach , , little brown series book \) level vitamin blood means medical attention necessary due vitamin toxicity weinsier morgan take much conservative approach vitamin toxicity wallach , see later post dl 2 , dl plenty warning 's time eliminate retinol diet \( headache , skin , hair loss , joint pain \) tell students use vitamin practice better monitor serum retinol level stop clear signs liver full never really know patient needs vitamin \( measure pool liver \) always know 's time stop \( like vitamin pms studies \) beta carotene taken fill liver retinol never worry toxicity conversion beta carotene retinol occurs gut liver slow \( stops liver slows gut \) liver full retinol taking beta carotene source retinol takes long time fill liver \( 've seen estimates 20 30 years \) 30 much born liver \( 10 , 000iu \) one problem beta carotene , zinc deficit , convert much beta carotene retinol gut liver conversion requires zinc addition , release retinol liver zinc dependent process zinc deficit cause vitamin deficit even liver plenty vitamin vitamin cancer infection protection \? body uses vitamin \( retinol \) many different things vision \( first nailed see overt clinical pathology \) uses \( retinal \) alcohol \( retinol \) form vitamin reproduction uses retinol form retinal infection cancer protection uses retinoic acid convert retinol \( white blood cells mucosal cells get blood \) retinoic acid \? use enzymes , one requires vitamin c \( tried pull title anti infection vitamin away vitamin \) vitamin c play role infection \( production example \) 's biggest role conversion retinol retinoic acid increase intake vitamin c , increase formation retinoic acid retinoic acid converted back retinol \( retinal \) 's formed , 's used lost body 1985 nrc group wanted increase vitamin c vitamin rda 's people taking large amounts vitamin c really think helping n't much vitamin liver also increasing intake vitamin , actually harm good retinoic acid functions white blood cells promote antibody formation mucus membrane , main factor promoting good mucus production good cell barrier prevent infectious agents entering blood system mucus membrane referred first line defense infection cancer , retinoic acid shown act cell brake \( effect cell stimulate cells divide \) cancer two distinct steps , dna alteration cell promotion cells normally divide time , important lung breast tissue normally divide , real important process major reason nci many different clinical trials progress using retinol beta carotene chronic infection \( irritation \) mucus membranes signal vitamin may adequate tell students patient walks office complaint chronic infection worked vitamin \( along factors medicine already 's list causes chronic infection \) drive home course osteopathic college tulsa , teach medical school tulsa \( ou 's branch campus \) give cme lectures dark adaptation best clinical test vitamin status since night vision impacted liver drop 50 , 000iu retinol serum level retinol also used , drop liver reserves drop 10 , 000 20 , 000iu asking patient trouble seeing night good initial screen \( ruled \) one study done u spanish americans serum retinol levels measured , 25 sample population serum retinol level dl studies done serum retinol levels population groups u history high infection rates , probably see much correlation infection incidence rates low serum retinol levels weinsier morgan say vitamin \? excerpts book vitamin functions vision retinol , growth tissue , required reproduction , development , bone growth protein malnutrition zinc deficiency may impair absorption , transport , metabolism vitamin converted retinoic acid , biological activity growth cell reproduction vision common procedure evaluate vitamin status measure retinol level plasma serum normal range vitamin content child 20 dl lower values indicators deficiency body stores serum levels greater dl indicative toxic levels vitamin dark adaptation tests measurements also useful difficult perform young children rapidly tissues sensitive vitamin deficiency may revert state tract , skin , system , gastrointestinal tract sweat glands adversely affected daily intake 7 \( 37 , 000iu \) retinol advised chronic use amounts \( 100 , 000iu \) result dry skin , , , hair loss , joint pain , lips , \( bony \) , headaches , , fatigue recommend retinol via im injection children vitamin deficiency discuss treatment adults toxic serum retinol level conservative recommend students try 25 , 000iu adults problems chronic infection rule zinc deficit first getting rbc zinc run \( clinical lab ca n't run , tell weinsier morgan suggest , give zinc along vitamin 25 , 000iu per day , toxicity problem worry pulling patient office regular basis run serum retinol elaine jon found doctors used much higher dose vitamin recall pms papers using 100 , 000iu 200 , 000iu vitamin n't suggest students use high doses wanted fill liver fast \( part clinical trial \) monitoring serum retinol level , would okay knowledge vitamin literature suggests 25 , 000iu patients demonstrated vitamin deficit \( dark test serum retinol \) provide good steady improvement \( long zinc vitamin c status good \) without worry toxicity want get agressive , fine follow advise check serum retinol vitamin \( retinol \) never given high dose women could become pregnant since vitamin shows towards human fetus dose needed show effect developing fetus 18 , 000iu retinol per day beta carotene never effect human fetus could taking beta carotene instead retinol supplements help \? yes effect take long time develop advise use retinol fill liver switch beta carotene keep full vitamin probably one nutrient better left prescription doctors 's newsgroup jumping doctors propose use vitamin supplements treating patients chronic sinus gi distress , think prudent option keep vitamin otc market require provide package inserts educate general public dangers vitamin supplementation marty b
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton remarks president teacher year award organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 98 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 remarks president presentation teacher year award rose garden 1 25 p edt president good afternoon please seated want say , first , delighted secretary riley senator graham three us served governors together 1980s worked constantly strategies improve schools , led often difficult long efforts upgrade standards american education improve quality instruction children receiving two governors admired period two stand stage teacher year think would join saying , testimony heard bills passed funds raised allocated , comes happens teacher students classroom 's today 's ceremony honoring national teacher year important tracey leon bailey one recognition across country highly advanced innovative science programs 's developed introduced florida 's cutting edge programs molecular biology dna subjects usually taught college , might add , probably understood nation 's capital \( laughter \) within three years hired satellite high school , mr bailey 's institution one strongest science programs entire state florida , numerous national international awards advanced programs n't favored tracey bailey inspired kinds students , including previously known low achieving risk reach excellence attain students need country needs today , know good future high wages rich opportunities rests foundation quality education lifetime basics n't enough anymore kids need competence math science advanced problem solving 's tracey bailey 's accomplishments important pleased proud participate recognizing honoring accomplishments tracey , represent best united states i'm glad recognize today formally present apple award teacher year 1993 \( applause \) mr bailey thank , mr president indeed great honor tremendous responsibility represent nation 's 2 5 million teachers appreciate support shown education , 're looking forward working help redesign improve nation 's schools know quality children 's education directly impact future economic social landscape years come thank much continued support commitment children 's education thank \( applause \) president closing , would like also welcome education leaders florida , representing national education groups also come 'd like recognize tracey 's congressman , representative jim back , great advocate education 'd like remind ultimate purpose national teacher year award find way rest us express appreciation people across country give lives children , teachers country get every day best try advance cause learning children america , many ways , important public servants thank much \( applause \) 29 p edt
eggertj moses atc mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject israel 's expansion ii reply jake bony1 bony com 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 20 48 23 gmt lines 34 reply eggertj atc mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 bony1 bony com article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes difference guerrilla warfare terrorism former primarily targets enemy soldiers latter primarily targets civilians , necessarily enemy , comparison , palestinean fighters primarily target tourists , , babies , worshippers , shoppers , movie threatening people early zionist fighters things historically incorrect early zionist indeed target civilians made random attacks arab , killing innocent passers assertion opposite attempt whitewash history anyone read history zionist terrorists good book start one j bell , expert international terrorism \( main interest irish terrorism \) author bell , j , 1931 title terror zion irgun , lehi , palestine underground , 1929 1949 j bell pub info new york st martin 's press , description xi , 374 p , 14 leaves plates ill , maps 24 cm subjects s1 yisrael s2 irgun s3 israel arab war , 1948 1949 s4 jewish arab relations 1917 1949 lc 7 1977 completeness , arab period also rampant , targeted chiefly jewish civilians anyone tell opposite live let live \? jim eggertj atc mit edu \( jim eggert \)
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject new study gay percentage organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 26 article 1993apr19 maths tcd ie pmoloney maths tcd ie \( paul moloney \) writes theodore kaldis join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568 smacks bigotry smack idiocy , n't suppose 've heard pythagoras \? indeed heard pythagoras , n't know ever bean eater american southwest west \( e g , texas , california , colorado \) , term bean eater sometimes used hispanic heritage \( generally mexicans , parts \) much like irish northeast perceived \( \) beer views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
subject get \? medkeffjs hirama hiram edu \( jeff medkeff \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hirama hiram edu lines 54 article wetware com , drieux wetware com \( drieux , drieux \) writes article 1 hirama hiram edu , went stepped article senator bedfellow mit edu , wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) writes never knew soldiers supposed salute civilians except commander chief ding ding , planet earth calling agree civilians , still president , unless things changed whole lot arrival , n't recall current president gots much civilian status 1 far member armed forces concerned , president whatever h wants recently rather insisted treated something mere civilian moves , salute , n't , pick ca n't pick , paint hilary asleep time ciao drieux 1 nothing personal jeff , like living countries head state civilian , sorta limits habit using military first choice solving domestic problems like living country head state military officer point using military first choice solving domestic problems n't go branch davidians tank , \? jeffrey medkeff bitnet medkeffjs hiramb po box 1098 internet medkeffjs hiramb hiram edu hiram , oh pale thought wrong fight u roaring bill \( killed \) thought right
mbeaving bnr ca \( beav \) subject opinion means nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 26 real stupid remarks beav lighten \( esp beav \) agree lots serious dribble real reason hey , n't really care , someone sends email telling fuck , get rather pissed posted net , could really care less , sending mail childish mr infant \( e \) , infant give years grow maybe 'll learn network etiquette ca n't stand flames , n't brains , stay newsgroup kind catchy pas \? beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking !
kdb sunbar mc duke edu mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) subject challenge microsoft supporters lines 14 nntp posting host mc duke edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham , nc 27710
pvr wang com \( \) subject 2 silver solder organization wang labs , lowell , usa nntp posting host wang com lines 20 shiekh trieste \( andy shiekh \) writes seen existance electronics solder 2 silver content seems good wetting anyone tell used \? \( silver expensive metal \) called silver bearing solder used solder devices contacts one application soldering ceramic terminal strips used old tektronix scopes ceramic strips silver plated used ordinary solder molten metal would silver ceramic silver quite thin 2 saturated solution silver tin lead thus , silver solder solution devices use silver contacts quartz crystals ultrasonic peter pvr wang com info beav \( binary editor viewer \) finger pvr das wang com well , says
pages ! bwebster uunet uu net \( bruce f webster \) subject mormon beliefs bastards reply pages ! bwebster uunet uu net organization pages software inc lines 63 article may 9 05 41 46 1993 athos rutgers edu erh0362 tesla njit edu writes could anyone enlighten mormon church views children born wedlock \? particular i'm interested know stigma attached children opposed parents i'm especially keen learn prohibition mormon faith bastards entering heaven names entered big genealogical book mormons keep salt lake city issue official position changed time , i'm interested learning old new beliefs e mail posting fine information pointers appreciated well , since wife \( gentle term \) bastard , probably speak bit authority stigma associated children conceived born wedlock rests solely upon parents 've committed sexual transgression repent child priori limitations indeed , concept blaming child parents' sins one mormons would find appalling note lds theology rejects original sin , term usually defined , subsequent need infant baptism \( cf 8 book mormon \) indeed , lds doctrine goes one step cases holds parents responsible children 's sins failed bring properly \( cf c 68 25 28 note passage applies members lds church \) also note big genealogical book salt lake city lds church massive storage facility nearby mountains containing \( \) vital statistic records \( birth , , baptism , marriage , death \) gathered entire world may , believe records 2 billion people vault time , lds church building line genealogical database neither case kind worthiness screening whether someone entered potential issue establishing parents , would apply case database bruce bruce f webster love constitution land , cto , pages software inc hate damned bwebster pages com administer import pages disclaimer h attributed brigham young following arrived separate posting clh follow follow lest anyone misunderstand , term bastard one never 25 years lds church membership heard applied , formally , child born wedlock , indeed would \( rightly \) considered vulgar , offensive term would echoed expression reply , except hopes poster would recognize offensive nature word given context unfortunately , posting reply , remembered subtle points often lost 'net , figured 'd better spell bruce bruce f webster bwebster pages com
h01sav dsyibm desy de \( michael savitski \) subject cd300 question organization desy lines 19 hi , ! mac lc consider buying cd300 've told , however , 1 double speed cd300 achievable machines scsi 2 2 double speed prerequisite photocd multisession capability , need 3 means seem gain nothing compared , say cd150 comments \? thanx michael savitski tel \( 040 \) 8998 desy elektronen synchrotron fax \( 040 \) 8998 85 , hamburg 52 , germany \( 040 \) 8994 internet h01sav dsyibm desy de decnet savitski
mikey sgi com \( mike yang \) subject low emission monitors besides nec \? nntp posting host eukanuba wpd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc distribution na lines 21 article acsu buffalo edu v063kcbp ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( mitch \) writes right working mpr ii certified \( swedish standards low emissions \) hitachi 15 monitor 's 1024x768 , 72hz res , got good write image quality recent \( feb \? \) issue pc magazine far know , little fully matches nec image quality \( least according mags ca n't tell difference two ! \) , think nec low emissions one two types 's vlf \( low frequency \) elf \( think 's extremely low frequency \) mpr ii standards set strict limits many , nec included according one article read \( get bunch mags 's hard remember ! \) , claim low emissions specifically mpr ii compliant mpr ii certified control one , usually vlf , ignore nanao 's f series \( e g f550i \) series \( e g \) monitors mpr ii compliant according little pamphlet , series monitors also compliant , whatever mike yang silicon graphics , inc mikey sgi com 415 390 1786
hollasch kpc com \( steve hollasch \) subject difference raytracing rendering \? summary raytracing form rendering organization kubota pacific computer , inc lines 31 uxa cso uiuc edu \( li \) writes hello , 've raytraced rendered difference 've found raytracing takes hell lot longer missing something \? yes many methods rendering , raytracing one n't say mean rendering , wo n't guess methods rendering include pencil graph paper , math hand wireframe rendering 2d projection hidden line rendering scanline rendering using painter 's algorithm trees z buffer raytracing radiosity projection film combination steve hollasch kubota pacific computer , inc hollasch kpc com santa clara , california
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject dreams body incidents lines 19 dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) writes 1 \) dreams oobes totally mental phenomena case morality 2 \) dreams oobes reality \( e \) 3 \) like \( 2 \) , assume though oobe environs real existence , different moral ethics apply , \( maybe different \) moral laws apply think another alternative 4 \) oobe 's form contact demonic world , whereby one intentionally unintentionally control perceptions spiritual beings whose purpose deceive mark
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject grant fuhr leads sabres nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 19 article 1993apr21 wuecl wustl edu jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) writes buffalo 2 0 series boston , reason grant fuhr \? fuhr playoff hungry , 's proving call money goaltender fuhr might one best goaltenders league anymore \( statistically least \) , 's proving make big save right time leafs kept fuhr , probably would chance powerhouse detroit game 1 \? applauded sabres making deal get fuhr , specifically thought would help win least one playoff series however , n't think leafs faulted either nothing say felix wo n't winning playoff series years come anyway , anybody else find ironic fuhr moog \? \( least guy named alex showed \) \)
music erich triumf ca \( fred w bach \) subject dirty diesels \? organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 57 distribution na nntp posting host erich triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr22 665 virginia edu , ejv2j virginia edu \( erik velapoldi \) writes nataraja rtsg mot com writes heard diesels considered cleaner burning gas engines emit less carbon monoxide , hydrocarbons , oxides nitrogen \( co , hc , nox \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions vw mercedes particulate traps also , vw uses kind turbocharger jetta helps reduce particulates well , although n't know mechanics many diesel cars , busses , trucks europe equipped catalysts traps effort clean diesel emissions , already well legal limits anyway 's shame gm soil diesel 's reputation passenger cars prevent resource devotion research making efficient engine even ahead gas engines emissions erik sure n't know measure regards diesel motors cars , trucks , busses , think probably measuring wrong pollutants , wrong time , certainly find offensive drive behind diesel bus diesel truck diesel cars stink ! 's always roll windows panic time one comes ducks front driving family n't think combustion mixture kept good control diesel engines , 's stink invisible , pollutants reduced diesels yeah , well ! \? someone forgot visible , kind , , far concerned , kind bad de stinking diesel vehicles 'll keep traffic signs cleaner , fred w bach , operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf \( tri university meson facility \) voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall , ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university british columbia , vancouver , b c , canada v6t 2a3 opinions , make read , think , question necessarily reflect views employer fellow workers
djw wang com \( david weinstein \) subject ms test help question newsgroup \? organization wang labs , lowell , usa lines 15 hi would like know seperate newgroup discussion ms test quality assurance issues , , newsgroup would appropriate one use compuserve microsoft bbs people call help \? thanks please email response djw wang com helmet rules ! 's doc \? djw wang com plan ! clue \)
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject disks copy protected organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 21 article rcstage1 132 urc tue nl rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) writes stuff hardware keys put another computer port instead key , hack reading happens 've told , 've never seen done think 's possible 'd need hardware knowledge software read port ! true , many newer keys ship , oh , maybe 32 bits , key encrypt , return pc making bunch 32 bits part program code good way make sure things wo n't run without key \) anyway , , scheme least defeats approach 's little costly , though personally , n't believe copy protection , agree thought mass inconvenience causes legal users far outweighs gains pirates wo n't able copy program joel kolstad
me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) subject pc parallel \( ! \) originator me170pjd emba uvm edu organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 19 article 1993apr26 nmt edu , erickson azure nmt edu \( alan erickson \) i'm trying bring 8 bits pc , would like use interrupt driven routines without buying io board making new port , bring bits \? lpt seems inputs , 've heard rumours lpts bidirectional lines anybody know fer sure \? bi lpts , boards \( 'll running new 386dx 33 \) \? alan erickson erickson baltic nmt edu '93 competitors hope 're getting much sleep i'm watching one built right uvm team days me170pjd uvm edu
frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting organization , x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 41 i'm familiar trannies used winston cup , trans cars 've played transmissions racing variety , dog clutches instead transmission dog clutches , gears always engaged moving dog clutches engages gears shafts motorcycle transmissions way shifting without clutch transmission cause transmission damage , question long grenade something \( trans 87 pulsar se , 3 5k miles , weak tranny first place \) curiosity , dog clutch different synchro transmission described sounds fact , little 've studied trannies , instructor referred synchros dogs said synonymous gears always meshed synchronized gearbox , slip synchro gears back forth shifting least , taught explain , por favour \? motorcycle transmissions n't synchros dogs sloppy maybe 6 10 teeth \( dogs \) side gears engage next gear forks slide gears back forth shift start apply pressure time clutch pulled \( clutch hand lever \) shift quickly try slow lazy shift grind , pop next gear chance grind n't neutral gears \( obviously , ca n't select shifter \) double clutching possibility speed shifting \( always heard clutchless shifting called \) works pretty well practice , usually use clutch especially lower gears think auto \( automobile \) similar , except dogs fine , addition rings gear teeth always engaged auto transmissions synchronized , may non synchro gears \( reverse sometimes first \) frank ball 1ur frankb sad hp com \( 707 \) 794 4168 work , hewlett packard \( 707 \) 794 3844 fax , \( 707 \) 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 , xt350 , seca 750 , '62 f 100 , pl510 park ca 4999 , law , ama , dod , i'm nra
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject persistent vs chronic organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 17 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article enea1 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com \( horace enea \) writes anyone tell difference persistent disease chronic one \? example , persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis n't think general distinction rather , two classes chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis chronic persistent hepatitis ca n't think disease term persistent used preference chronic much two terms chronic active chronic persistent sound fuzzy , actual distinction two conditions often fairly fuzzy well david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
hatton socrates ucsf edu \( tom hatton \) subject challenge microsoft supporters distribution usa organization ucsf computer graphics lab lines 10 win os 2 ibm work \? make laugh writing couple thousands lines code make windows compatible dpmi implementation make rest windows ibm work n't think ms anything brag comes following dpmi , consistency hobgoblin , etc , suppose tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu \( 415 \) 476
orl mmc com \( william williamson , 6 \) subject layout program \? reply orl mmc com organization martin marietta orlando lines 19 article chemical watstar uwaterloo ca , gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( phil trodwell \) writes hi , i'm desperately seeking \( preferably shareware \) program assist architectural layout house something like exist basic cad programs \? please e mail n't always get news expires thanks advance , phil trodwell best 've seen runs windows 's shareware however gary williamson aka polaris orl mmc com orlando , florida
trevor netcom com \( sandy \) subject lcd vga display organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 28 mike mattone \( mike mik uky edu \) wrote anyone else experienced anything like \? means need replace screen guess 'll thought death lcd screen would little less dramatic eventually happened n't want take repaired asked net already know 'll say yep , gotta replaced 's gonna cost \? \? \? 've computer 21 months \? ! \? 's long time ! \( echoing posting \) way market going nowadays , machine 's obsolete two weeks buy sounds like 'll sink money repair , 's sometimes necessary equipment reasonable life cycle lcd display \? think 21 months nothing wrong quite reasonable bought compaq toshiba , might reasonably expected machine last longer something went wrong 's moot point , perhaps sandy trevor netcom com berkeley , california trevor well sf ca us
chopin udel edu \( scott harris \) subject new mitsumi mice sale 11 nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 12 9 mice taking space office please buy price 11 cost 2 90 ship usps know mice 2 button high resolution mice acutally quite comfortable , much like new hp ergo mouse hand scott harris chopin udel edu
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject take waco quiz ! impress friends ! win valuable cash prizes ! summary would \? organization chinet public access unix lines 44 waco quiz would following hypothetical situations \? committed crime batf conducts knock raid \) hands air say warrant \? think hefty suit settlement b \) say 1 second identify cop shoot c \) shoot heck , least federal prison might get sex killed federal agents blast strange music \) come hands wish turn state 's evidence hope deal 's good b \) wait , figuring federal agents get bored go vacation c \) wait come chance kill g men fbi surrounded , asks come immediately \) come , figuring long prison term chance catch writing b \) stall ca n't concentrate 're trial reason c \) decide write novel length prophecy ideas fresh mind fbi calls says use tear gas n't come \) come hands radical bro law hated getting gassed uc b \) get gas mask really , feds give eventually c \) shoot vehicles delivering tear gas 's rude break man 's door ! fbi calls says use tanks break walls \) come hands flimsy cardboard construction wo n't last long b \) presence mind , move flammable devices away tinder dry c \) spread kerosene around hit match big schwarzenegger ending points awarded following manner 0 points every \( \) answer , 1 points every \( b \) answer , 2 points every \( c \) answer count 'em compare friends ! answered \( \) time , probably jail , alive answered \( b \) time , may still holed compound answered \( c \) time , probably dead \( feel free copy distribute friends \) koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon lines 17 article k75 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes astronomers using night sky thousands years n't complain scenic \( eg light \) , lose common law right ownership english \( american , canadian , etc \) common law recognized legally binding international law \? , 're talking something nature n't limited territory one nation doug loss loss husky bloomu edu
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject clipper considered harmful organization totally unorganized lines 25 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article 1993apr25 microsoft com microsoft com \( gideon yuval \) writes personal attacks stopped prof denning replying issues substance , cause real harm serious debate contact , said , think reason \? also , could possible replying reply would n't confirm worst suspicions \? suspicions way pocket , one would think person would saying , indicating pocket hiding behind veil secrecy reassuring pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? distribution world 93115 asuacad bitnet europa eng gtefsd com lines 13 article europa eng gtefsd com , draper gnd1 wtp gtefsd com \( pam draper \) says homeopathic remedies tried one month 15 drops three times day n't notice change whats ever long using drops noticed difference \? homeopathic remedy improvement began months allergic grass anyone nearby mowing lawn nose would start run walk right n't bother success desert bruce long
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject theism fanatism \( islamic genocide \) organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 164 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article 3r horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism \( deletion \) theism correlated fanaticism neither said fanatism caused theism theism leads fanatism point , theism increases chance becoming fanatic one could course argue would fanatics tend towards theism \( example \) , times history theism dominant ideology invalidate conclusion basic mechanism behind imo , influence stalin , matter , ayn rand , invalidates assumption theism factor considered bogus said theism factor fanatism point theism factor 's claim back consider argument useful following belief strongly correlated fanaticism therefore belief factor fanaticism true , utterly useless \( note , belief , belief gods \) gullibility , blind obedience authority , lack scepticism , , reliable indicators really dangerous people sources fanaticism often none things cynical manipulators gullible , know precisely 's claim support please note especially field theism , leaders believe say believe , 're incredibly naive , brands theism , precisely theists , tend fanaticism , grant tar theists brush bigotry , reasoned argument reads like warm censorship restriction religious freedom ever read animal farm \? 's straw man usually discussions one repeat read written every theism leads fanatism , fanatism caused theism point , correlation , comes innate features theism , comes features theism common fanaticism last statement simply n't implied say , 're trying sneak innate features theism word 're groping gullibility , way , one shit , sherlock talk gullibility instead theism , since seems whole lot relevant case , opposed case trying make \? say going forbid religion another straw men interesting nothing better offer said reads like warm 's 's irrational bogus tirade , use creating nice us split minds excitable people found either side church walls \( 2 \) define irrational belief e g , rational believe reason always useful \? irrational belief belief based upon reason latter discussed long time charley wingate one point beliefs violate reason often , another process lend rational analysis contain reliable information well , glaring paradox argument reason useful based reason would circular , argument based reason would irrational \? 's bogus self reference circular since evaluation usefulness possible within rational systems , allowed k , 's oval 's still begging question , however though certainly allowed , 's rational claiming rational risk repeating , hearing n't hear refutation , 're back deal ca n't use reason demonstrate reason useful someone thinks reason crap wo n't buy , see argument silly proving mathematical statements needs mathematics mathematics circular anybody else think godel silly \? first part second statement contains information , n't say beliefs beliefs strong theism strong atheism , statement general true second part sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum lend rational analysis , assumed contain reliable information regardless process used obtain 've speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis , say often refuted fallacy look discussion axiom choice , one evaluate axioms larger systems usually derived exist derived , want way , one test consistency set axioms trying say \? point , people always wind saying datum reliable particular reason example dreaming compared evidence theists claims strength demands makes whole thing irrational antirational ca n't agree specific theism \? say theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect using traditonal definition gods personal , supernatural entities objective effects world usually connected morals way world works imo , belief gods necessarily irrational mean people hold principle opposed exercise intelligence atheists also scientists , example affinity fanatism easily seen true believe nothing work hypothesis however , beliefs say work hypothesis n't understand argument \? person believes system b becuase sounds nice make b true , best work hypothesis however , content b true work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence therefore dismissed b \( already believed \) says wrong waste time possible depending contents b idolaters protestants killed , interesting effects peculiar definition interesting , sure show belief gods entails contents speak n't catholic neighbours killing protestants , example \? maybe n't believe maybe 's conjunction b asserts b jail kill important , belief gods entirely irrelevant certainly seems , axe grind frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) subject war christians fight \? reply dps nasa kodak com organization eastman kodak company lines 12 article athos rutgers edu , david \( david \) writes personally , think christians n't fight 2 \) christians , supposed defend matt 5 38 48 , heb 10 33 34 3 \) war result sin defense may necessary reaction attack , n't think christians take part trying defend someone else allow killing oppression , obligation protect innocent \?
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 109 article hardy u washington edu \( gordon rubenfeld \) writes marty , 've also changed terrain discussion empiric itraconazole undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis systemic hypersensitivity symptoms \( noring syndrome \) yoghurt vitamin therapy undocumented candida \( elaine palmer syndrome \) systemic symptoms significant difference cost risk two empiric therapeutic trials talking real candida infections , whole yeast connection hypothesis , efficacy routine bacterial humans , ability anecdotally effective therapies \( challenged negative randomized trial \) confirm hypothesis \( post hoc ergo propter hoc \) ca n't seem focus disease , therapy , hypothesis discussion i'm lost ! point 1 i'm beginning see part disagreements whole yeast issue differing perceptions differing meanings words medical doctors specific specialized jargon , necessary precise communication within field \( i'm fully since , , speak peers \) situation sci med , many times words phrases used doctors different specific meaning word used world large , causing significant one example word , relevant yeast discussion , exact meaning systemic obvious meaning word specific , much meaning non doctor also observation newsgroup doctors non doctors come together essentially equal terms , , combined jargon issue , fan flames probably first time practicing doctors get really beat non doctors views medicine , otherwise n't see much practice except occasional difficult patient point 2 understand viewpoint among many practicing doctors prescribe treatments therapies patients unless treatments shown effective risks understood well constructed clinical trials \( usually double blind \) , treatments therapies part approved funded clinical trial doctors , differently would , belief system , unethical practice follows therapy accepted list therefore non therapy even exist , underlying hypothesis theory validity , even sounds plausible currently known anecdotal evidence value , either , treatment point view large , scientist , glad medical practice science takes rigorous approach medical treatment however , also human \( last checked \) , one people significantly helped currently treatment , standard medicine able help , caused sit back wonder holding extreme rigid scientific viewpoint unethical humanitarian considerations , underlying intent scientific approach medicine protect health patient providing best possible care patient , patient come first considering treatment need slightly modified approach treatment satisfies scientific humanitarian viewpoints earlier post outlined crazy idea gist give physician freedom encouragement medical community prescribe alternate , yet proven therapies \( maybe supported anecdotal evidence \) patients avenues accepted therapies exhausted \( \) patient would fully informed therapies treatments supported proper clinical trials real potential risks real possibilities benefit derived approach satisfies need scientific rigor also satisfies humanitarian needs patient reality many patients reached dead end treatment symptoms using accepted medicine go outside orthodox medical community either doctors brave enough prescribe treatments risk losing license , worse , non doctors proper medical training approach also recognizes reality keeps control within orthodox medicine , benefits information gleaned could help focus limited resources towards future clinical trials productive way everybody wins admittedly rose colored approach i'm sure real problems approach well presented strawman stimulate discussion hopefully write may give sci med doctors better idea open alternative therapies , well real difficulty \( read apparent hostility \) coldness 99 9 pure scientific approach medicine believe best approach medical treatment one humanitarian aspects balanced scientific aspects anything else good medicine , imho leanings , guess \) comments \? jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject 386 ram work 486 \? originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 34 article 1993apr23 monu6 cc monash edu au , giaec cc monash edu au \( brett paterson \) writes wanting upgrade 386sx 25 , 486dx 33 , looking cheap quote someone offering 486dx 33 motherboard , ram \( probably sell old board somewhere \) , 4 meg ram 386 , consists 4 x 9 module simms , running 70 nanoseconds would encounter problems pointed areas , throwing one computer \? problem remember get number wait states correct ! comments gratefully \( e mail preferred \) appreciated brett paterson email giaec cc monash edu au , victoria , australia guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 63 distribution world nntp posting host orbit src umd edu article venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes thus , war serbs croats continuation wwii , older agenda , annihilation islam muslims bosnian , carried cover serbo croat war annihilation islam \( turks \) older serbian agenda strongly dispute notion croats similar older agenda , fact , past century two , croats muslims seen lot common , generally friendly relations suggestion croat muslim relationship anything like serb muslim relationship completely wrong say croats muslims lot common imply separate peoples events past two years clearly show muslim determination remain separate alliance croats , maintained separation croats would accepted much closer relationship , think century plus building bridges two friendly peoples risk , logic war since bosnian serbs \( 32 population \) 10 times heavy weapons bosnian muslims \( 44 \) croats \( 17 \) combined , squeezed muslims croats 30 territory muslims lost territory croats \( built defenses early \) conditions , alliance bound fall apart since easier recover lost land croats serbs thing keeping check hope reversal fortunes foreign military intervention lifting arms embargo since warren christopher luck persuading europeans go along , hope dashed prospect outside help , former allies turned , like two animals tight cage logic , course , got plenty help serbian intelligence operatives , everything build mistrust croats muslims year timely intervention stop serbian aggression would prevented sadly , nothing done create balance power ground long serbs enjoy 10 1 advantage , break alliance , even among friends tragic , hardly new divide et used ancient romans success view , bosnian muslims croats managed resist divisive strategy reasonably well may 9 , 1993 , hope reversal fortunes lost question distinguished diplomats believe balkan peoples experimental cannon fodder \? 'd like know expect decided enforce arms embargo serbian 10 1 advantage heavy weapons expect prevent fragmentation muslim croat defense forces earth hope restore peace without justice \? implications immoral approach cannot begin predict , filled sincerely , josip
med yale edu \( chris \) subject expand ram plus \? keywords plus , ram nntp posting host med yale edu reply med yale edu organization dept nmr research , yale school medicine lines 14 mac plus 2 5mb ram bought extra 2mb max 4mb ram plus supports however , ca n't get boot install 2 extra simms instead get sad mac \( sorry , ca n't remember code \) looking motherboard , see 2 resistors says path 1 row assume done first 1mb simms added , question resistors need \? , bum simms need exchanged \? advice appreciated chris med yale edu
frost ai mit edu \( sing lee \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host frost ai mit edu article lll winken llnl gov , \( fuess \) writes one like windows prior 3 0 little use early problems since 3 0 preferred operating system nah ms windows 3 1 operating system , would x windows , motif , geoworks , desqview , shareware win boss c library 's 's name text based windowing system written ran old faithful apple ii note similarity \? rely underlying real os imho , windowing systems , cooler others though
troy cc bellcore com \( c akgun \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host troy cc bellcore com organization bcr , nj usa lines 21 article pep transfer stratus com khalid bunce hw stratus com \( khalid chishti \) writes us commit ground troops , fine lift arms embargo sides \( since know serbs always got heavy weapons form federal army \) wake west ! ! admit uncivilized , violent bunch earth khalid also easy blame west real bosnian suffering moslem world , 1 billion \? ha \? stop massacre \? oil rich arab states make bosnian national interest west , especially europeans \? know night , n't \? blaming west asking n't put life danger seems choice muslims think sleeping west wide awake trying save face c akgun
svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) subject locks security \( yamaha locks \) nntp posting host corolla18 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 73 maybe pet peeve , definitely playmate peeve article news2 cis umn edu lynx umn edu \( bill \) writes lock including easy break person proper supplies motivation 3 minutes bike gone ! would glad explain dont want contribute unlawful activities make anyone 's skeptic alarm \( tm \) go \? offense , bill , n't mean say 're straight , wonder know \? actually every used secret method break different kinds bike locks \? taking someone 's word \? fact , unlikely someone reading anything going go successful bike stealing business read anything rec motorcycles please tell us talking ca n't even protect assault , discuss methods , n't come see , heard ones pipes , liquid nitrogen , cordless tools , bunch ones plausable method \( bike thief , really n't know certain \) put rod wheel , use four guys lift bike truck works people n't lock bikes anything since method easy , figure nice , visible chain cable locking bike something likely make lazy thief go next bike \( hey , finally advantage weight high cg concours ! \) especially since bike would hate see ripped tactic warning lock alone safe theft , thief doesnt need lock walk away property ! personally think motion alarms combination lock type way go fact concerned tactic referring \? n't know talking , ca n't well guard , \? money \( literally \) rely combination motion detector alarm pager i'm bike questionable area , c c insurance , try park obvious , visible areas lots people \( see , someone plays bike without intention stealing , least eyes , get , 'll set alarm \) 's nice bike , trick always keep actual value well blue book , looks crappy nobody would want steal , even stupid enough , would make profit deal \) seriously , \( instance \) need go business trip week , \( sadly \) leave bikes sitting , get shitty looking , useable cover , locked , bikes locked bumper parking lot light usually rig cable locks use \( aircraft cable \) anyone pulls either bike cable joining , concours alarm goes friend come buy every day look make sure 're still thing ever stolen 60 cover , winter storage , battery bike \( thus alarm \) oh , put cover locks pass , place absolutely destroy cover get 's best think locks see people put bikes look , well , mechanically sound like abus , since personally removed master locks boot dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon
sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) subject power supply fan makes awful din \? organization michigan state university , college engineering lines 13 distribution usa nntp posting host frith egr msu edu hi , late computer 's power supply fan begun make lot noise \? get new power supply , get new case , good place selling good tower cases ps know couple dozen listed computer shopper , looking personal experiences recommendations divya live long , die slow horrible death confucius wanted say
k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \( jamie r mccarthy \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization kalamazoo college lines 18 cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest number \? zero \? please present number authoritative works suggest homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse n't present biased conclusions , based tidbits 've extracted hours' research , conclusions people study mental disease sexual abuse professionally jamie mccarthy internet k044477 kzoo edu applelink j mccarthy
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mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject larsonian astronomy , physics , creation organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 556 following partial summary theory universe includes little known description creation solar system larsonian astronomy physics orthodox physicists , astronomers , astrophysicists claim looking unified field theory forces universe explained single set laws equations systematically ignoring suppressing excellent one 30 years ! late physicist dewey b larson 's comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , calls reciprocal system , built two fundamental postulates physical mathematical natures space time \( 1 \) physical universe composed entirely one component , motion , existing three dimensions , discrete units , two reciprocal forms , space time \( 2 \) physical universe conforms relations ordinary mathematics , absolute , geometry euclidean two postulates , larson developed complete theoretical universe , using various combinations , vibrational , rotational , vibrational rotational motions , concepts ward ward scalar motions , speeds relation speed light \( larson called unit velocity natural datum \) step development , larson able match objects theoretical universe objects real physical universe , \( photons , sub atomic particles incomplete atoms , charges , atoms , molecules , globular star clusters , galaxies , binary star systems , solar systems , white dwarf stars , pulsars , quasars , etc \) , even objects yet discovered \( exploding galaxies , gamma ray bursts \) applying theory new model atom , larson able precisely accurately calculate inter atomic distances crystals molecules , thermal expansion solids , properties matter described good detail , fancy complex mathematics , books books dewey b larson following complete list late physicist dewey b larson 's books comprehensive general unified theory physical universe early books print , still available inter library loan structure physical universe \( 1959 \) case nuclear atom \( 1963 \) beyond newton \( 1964 \) new light space time \( 1965 \) quasars pulsars \( 1971 \) nothing motion \( 1979 \) 9 50 substitute 8 3 billion super collider last four chapters explain chemical bonding neglected facts science \( 1982 \) universe motion \( 1984 \) final solutions astrophysical mysteries basic properties matter \( 1988 \) last books published north pacific publishers , p box , portland , , available via inter library loan local university public library n't several , including last one , available international society unified science \( \) , e ave , salt lake city , utah organization started promote larson 's theory related publications , including quarterly journal reciprocity physicist dewey b larson 's background physicist dewey b larson retired engineer \( chemical electrical \) 91 years old died may 1989 bachelor science degree engineering science oregon state university developed comprehensive general unified theory physical universe trying develop way compute chemical properties based elements used larson 's lack fancy ph degree might one reason orthodox physicists ignoring , valid reason sometimes takes relative outsider clearly see forest trees time , clear books also knew orthodox physics astronomy well physicist astronomer , well enough point contradictions , ad hoc assumptions , principles impotence , , etc larson funds , etc experimentally test theory necessary simply compared various parts theory experimental observational data many cases , explanation fit better self consistent theory much orthodox physicists astronomers ! claim looking unified field theory works , ignoring one 30 years ! modern physics explain physical universe well parts larson 's books full quotations leading orthodox physicists astronomers agree remember , crystal spheres , , flat earth theory , etc , also seemed explain well , later proved conceptually wrong prof frank h meyer , professor emeritus uw superior , strong proponent larson 's theory , \( still \) president larson 's organization , international society unified science , editor quarterly journal reciprocity moved minneapolis retiring super collider ! superconducting super collider , texas anywhere else would gross waste money , contribute almost nothing scientific value physicists n't realize , , according comprehensive general unified theory late physicist dewey b larson , described books , strange goofy particles \( , , alleged quarks , etc \) finding existing \( fermi lab , cern , etc \) really atoms anti matter , created high energy colliding beams , quickly like cosmic rays incompatible environment larger expensive collider create elements anti matter physicists seen , physicists even confused ! types anti matter atoms worth 8 3 billion cost \? ! ! n't much important uses wasted money \? ! another thing consider primary proposed location texas serious growing problem kind fire ants eating insulation underground cables much poisoning ground ground water required keep ants \? ! naming super collider ronald , proposed , totally absurd ! built , named leading particle physicist larsonian anti matter larson 's comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , anti matter simple case opposite charges types particles rates vibrations rotations photons made , relation vibrational rotational equivalents speed light , larson calls unit velocity natural datum larson 's theory , positron actually particle matter , anti matter positron electron meet , rotational vibrations \( charges \) rotations respective photons \( made \) neutralize larson 's theory , anti matter half physical universe three dimensions time , one dimension space , exists reciprocal relationship material half larsonian relativity perihelion point orbit planet mercury observed precisely measured advance rate 574 seconds arc per century 531 seconds advance attributed via calculations gravitational perturbations planets \( venus , earth , jupiter , etc \) remaining 43 seconds arc used help prove einstein 's general theory relativity late physicist dewey b larson achieved results closer 43 seconds general relativity , instead using special relativity one books , applied lorentz transformation high orbital speed mercury larson totally rejected general relativity another mathematical fantasy also rejected special relativity , including parts mass increases near speed light , use lorentz transform doppler shifts , \( quasars red shifts greater 1 000 really moving faster speed light , although motion away us time \) larson 's comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , three dimensions time instead one two dimensions measured material half physical universe one dimension measure clock time low relative speeds , values two dimensions negligible high speeds , become significant , lorentz transformation must used fudge factor larson often used term coordinate time writing regard mass increases , proven atomic accelerators acceleration drops toward zero near speed light formula acceleration acceleration force mass , \( f \) orthodox physicists ignoring third factor force larson 's theory , mass stays constant force drops toward zero force actually motion , combinations motions , relations motions , including inward outward scalar motions expansion universe , example , outward scalar motion inherent universe result called big bang \( yet another mathematical fantasy \) universe motion wish recommend everyone book universe motion , dewey b larson , 1984 , north pacific publishers , \( p box , portland , oregon \) , 456 pages , indexed , hardcover contains astrophysical portions general unified theory physical universe developed author , unrecognized genius , thirty years ago contains final solutions astrophysical mysteries , including formation galaxies , binary multiple star systems , solar systems , true origin 3 degree background radiation , cosmic rays , gamma ray bursts , true nature quasars , pulsars , white , exploding galaxies , etc contains astronomers astrophysicists looking , ready seriously consider open minds ! following example theory 's success first book 1959 , structure physical universe , larson predicted existence exploding galaxies , several years astronomers started finding necessary consequence larson 's comprehensive theory quasars discovered , immediate related explanation also gamma ray bursts astro physicists astronomers still scratching heads mysterious gamma ray bursts originally thought originate neutron stars disc galaxy new gamma ray telescope earth orbit detecting directions uniformly , source locations space correspond known objects , \( except cases directional coincidence \) gamma ray bursts necessary consequence general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey b larson according page 386 book universe motion , published 1984 , gamma ray bursts coming supernova explosions anti matter half physical universe , larson calls cosmic sector relationship anti matter material halves physical universe , way connected together , gamma ray bursts pop material half anywhere space , seemingly random \( source locations bursts correspond known objects , come directions uniformly \) wonder close us space source location would gamma ray burst kill life earth ! would way predict one , stop ! perhaps mass past , blamed impacts comets asteroids , actually caused nearby gamma ray bursts ! larsonian binary star formation half stars galaxy vicinity sun binary double orthodox astronomers astrophysicists still satisfactory theory form many binary star systems actually likely consequence comprehensive general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey b larson try summarize explanation , detailed chapter 7 book universe motion books first , according larson , stars generate energy fusion small fraction comes slow gravitational collapse rest results complete annihilation heavy elements \( heavier iron \) element destructive temperature limit heavier element , lower limit star 's internal temperature increases grows mass via absorption decay products cosmic rays , gradually reaching destructive temperature limit lighter lighter elements internal temperature star reaches destructive temperature limit iron , type supernova explosion ! much iron present related structure iron atoms atom building process , larson explains books better star explodes , lighter material outer portion star blown outward space less speed light heavier material center portion star already bouncing around close speed light , high temperature explosion pushes material speed light , expands outward time , equivalent inward space , often actually disappears long periods time , masses start fall back gravitationally material blown outward space starts form red giant star material blown outward time starts form white dwarf star stars start moving back toward main sequence opposite directions h r diagram chances two masses falling back exact location space , making single lone star , near zero instead form binary system , orbiting according larson , white dwarf star inverse density gradient \( surface \) , material center widely dispersed \( blown outward \) time eliminates need resort mathematical fantasies degenerate matter , neutron stars , black holes , etc larsonian solar system formation mass heavy material center exploding star relatively small , , instead single white dwarf star , several mini white dwarf stars \( around red giant star , probably still far away three dimensional time affected heat , etc \) become planets ! chapter 7 universe motion , larson used information , principles comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , derive version bode 's law black hole fantasy ! heard physicist stephen w hawking recently completed theoretical mathematical analysis two black holes merging together single black hole , concluded new black hole would mass sum two original black holes result recognized everyone red flag , causing widespread doubt whole idea black holes , etc ! reading physicist dewey b larson 's books comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , especially book universe motion , clear black holes nothing mathematical fantasies ! strange object cygnus x 1 unusually massive white dwarf star , black hole orthodox astronomers physicists badly want prove theory way , understand much publicity given physicist stephen hawking physicists astronomers seem acting hawking 's severe physical problem somehow makes wiser ! wish attention given physicist dewey b larson still alive widespread publicity attention given larson 's theory , books , organization \( international society unified science \) electro magnetic propulsion heard concept many years ago , connection ufo 's unorthodox inventors , never able find work , constructed found possible clue might work pages 112 113 book basic properties matter , late physicist dewey b larson , describes part larson 's comprehensive general unified theory physical universe quote one paragraph indicated preceding chapter , development theory universe motion arrives totally different concept nature electrical resistance electrons , find , derived environment brought volume larson 's book nothing motion physical processes operation produce electrons substantial quantities , , although motions constitute electrons , many cases , absorbed atomic structures , opportunities utilizing type motion structures limited follows always large excess free electrons material sector material half universe , uncharged uncharged state electrons cannot move respect extension space , inherently rotating units space , relation space space motion open space , therefore , uncharged electron remains permanently location respect natural reference system , manner photon context stationary spatial reference system uncharged electron , like photon , carried outward speed light progression natural reference system material thus exposed flux electrons similar continual bombardment photons radiation meanwhile processes , discussed later , whereby electrons returned environment electron population material aggregate earth therefore equilibrium level note larson 's theory , uncharged electrons also , basically photons light particular frequency \( unit frequency \) spinning around one axis particular rate \( unit rate \) \( unit velocity speed light , vibrational rotational equivalents speed light , according larson 's theory \) might labels mixed larson saying outer space filled mass less un charged electrons flying around speed light ! true , electro magnetic propulsion fields spacecraft might able interact electrons , particles space , perhaps giving charge \( mass \) shooting toward rear achieve propulsion \( larson 's theory , electrical charge one dimensional rotational vibration particular frequency \( unit frequency \) rotation particle \) paragraph quoted might also give clue confused lightning generated clouds suppression larsonian physics comprehensive general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey b larson available 30 years , published 1959 first book structure physical universe totally un scientific hawking , wheeler , sagan , sacred priests religion call science \( physics , astronomy , etc \) , well scientific literature education systems , totally ignore larson 's theory larson 's theory excellent explanations many things puzzling orthodox physicists astronomers , gamma ray bursts nature quasars larson 's theory deserves honestly openly discussed physics , chemistry , astronomy journals , u elsewhere least basic principles larson 's theory included related courses uw ec , uw madison , cambridge , cornell university , elsewhere , students kept dark worthy alternative dogma fed information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( especially larson 's books \) un altered reproduction dissemination important partial summary encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics astronomy , uw ec
dsc3jfs nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil \( jim small \) subject story keywords party ! ! ! ! organization naval medical research development command lines 16 article 1993apr19 pacesetter com lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes got back 11th annual southern california harley dealers association run colorado river city , nevada aka run went say much trash hate 3b2 3b2 bite
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject ok , little hasty nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 14 article sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes driving allows prosecution drivers influence variety drugs 's shame 's law driving stupid little would prevent kinds accidents dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) subject os 2 talk windows workgroups \? organization software metrics inc lines 14 'd like get system running os 2 2 0 ga talking network pcs running windows workgroups acting server would wonderful , client access would enough run wfw 's net utilities dos box \? way actually get os 2 talk wfw \? os 2 clients talk wfw \? confused , tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo , ont stick index fingers corners mouth pull 's corrado makes feel car , january '93
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject question virgin mary organization indiana university lines 14 article may 5 02 53 08 1993 athos rutgers edu ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) writes since mary free exactly die end \( dogmatic says \) assumed heaven dogma assumption state whether mary died physical death taken heaven catholics free believe wish , whether taken still alive , died lean somewhat toward latter steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
isbell ai mit edu \( charles l isbell \) subject really stupid monitor question article panther isbell distribution world organization mit artificial intelligence laboratory lines 14 nntp posting host panther ai mit edu iisi portrait display \( love \) i'm using built video support , slow deals 16 colors grays , i'm wondering get video card , much tend speed things able get \? oh , w fpu limit choices video cards \? thanks peace fighting peace like f cking virginity n't adopt opinions develop hell
peng poet ucsd edu \( peng li \) subject color zenith tv sale keywords tv , sale lines 17 color zenith tv sale remote control , 60 interested , please call 455 e mail peng ece ucsd edu must sell apr 30 thank attention
gandalf ca \( paul wilson gandalf toronto sales \) subject wanted tt font creator package free keywords true type fonts organization gandalf data ltd distribution na uk lines 11 i'm looking way get company logo onto documents figure easiest way put font public domain programs \? shareware \? help appreciated paul paul wilson 416 698 gandalf ca
cbnewsl cb att com \( jon k lyons \) subject john franco organization bell laboratories holmdel , nj distribution na lines 16 jason lee asks 's john franco \? mets hardly using heard completely recovered , i'm sure must heard wrong arm still sore n't gone dl , may treating day day situation doctors thought ready , throw colorado , arm n't strain throwing every day , 's quite ready pitch full strength yet \( based interview gave wfan ny radio thursday , 4 23 \) jon lyons jon k lyons att com bell laboratories att ! jon k lyons
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject college atheists organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 10 read article poll done students ivy league schools reported third students atheists lot higher among general population wonder reasons discrepancy \? intelligent \? younger \? wave future \? david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) subject duo price reduction \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 10 distribution world nntp posting host w20 575 105 mit edu someone mentioned ago duos scheduled 10 18 price reduction , according 'newsbytes' definite \? anyone know take effect \? 'newsbytes' \? thanks cam daly phone \( 617 \) 225 internet cam athena mit edu 550 memorial dr fights runs away , cambridge 02139 lives nuke site orbit
lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance hartmann \) subject diamond products boycot \? reply lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com organization ibm , austin lines 26 article 1993apr23 monu6 cc monash edu au ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \( markfried fellensiek \) writes diamond video cards \( stealth , viper , speedstar , etc \) may excellent specifications , windows drivers come might make windows fast , fellow diamond video board owners 've may may share opinion proprietary scheme , 've thrilled window 's drivers , either modes work fine , others cause strange objects , trails , etc many also voiced strong discontent diamond 's attitude toward os 2 drivers come think , though , hear see lot complaints ati boards , though recent word looks like build 59 code looks much better anyone accelerated video board drivers windows \( os 2 \? \) modes function properly \? anyone \? anyone \? lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) yes , ' ' \( percent sign \) network address statements , comments , opinions , etc herein reflect author shall misconstrued ibm anyone else matter
hou siemens com \( tai yuan hou \) subject iconize window \? keywords icon , window nntp posting host orion siemens com organization siemens corporate research , princeton \( \) , nj lines 7 application running one window application , 'd like iconize window , later back window could \? help would appreciated tai thou siemens com
brother mrcnext cso uiuc edu \( jesse \) subject choice gauges organization university illinois urbana lines 13 dmunroe vcd hp com \( dave gauge \) writes b b think others , ideas \? dave well , bmw like little light turns running gas , 's big help got turbo , gauge must could , 'd like gauges possible car , ca n't everything \?
chris newcastle ac uk \( chris nav arch \) subject motherboard manufacturer nntp posting host summary tel fax tech power organization university newcastle upon tyne , uk , ne1 7ru distribution comp lines 13 anyone hand phone fax number tech power , pc motherboard manufacturer \( may known tech power enterprises \) advance chris e mail chris newcastle ac uk dept marine technology voice 44 91 222 newcastle university fax 44 91 newcastle upon tyne
sas cbnewsg cb att com \( sullivan \) subject let 's play name game ! organization distribution na lines 13 article 1993apr20 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes changing team names ! post choices ! 'll start baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes pittsburgh sellouts shawn go rangers ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject mary 's assumption organization university nebraska lincoln lines 34 david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) writes elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity n't see logically follows true enough , mary received blessing beyond granted history humanity privileged mother savior says nothing mary needing blessed person first order might thereby worthy bear son god , think problem humans ca n't comprehend sinless incarnation could spring sinful human flesh god 's spirit rather simply accept gracious miracle god , must needs try dope mechanism rationale could mary 's words , spirit god savior , regarded low estate , sound like words human aware humanity , need savior , similar david proclaimed psalms words holy need god 's grace really apologize harping , n't suppose 's important 's see mary joseph baby reduced , feel lose wonder fact god chose come , born people like , share existence redeem us 's holy incarnation paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
oscar oscar austin ibm com \( oscar r mitchell \) subject development tools \? organization ibm , austin lines 37 article darkstar ucsc edu speth cats ucsc edu \( james \) writes could someone point toward source \( ftp bbs whatever \) development tools 8051 microprocessor specifically looking macintosh cross assembler also , mailing list dedicated discussing 8051 \? thanks james speth email pgp compatible public key speth cats ucsc edu question tools 6502 derivative processor processor \( designed western design center \) thanks , oscar oscar r mitchell ibm advanced workstations systems division risc system 6000 \( tm \) future systems hardware architecture design group mail stop zip road austin , texas usa phone \( 512 \) 823 0000 ibm 678 usa fax \( 512 \) 838 ibm vnet oscar ibm internet oscar oscar austin ibm com usa internet oscar austin ibm com include standard disclaimer speak ibm , ibm corporation advanced workstations systems division risc system 6000 \( tm \) future systems hardware architecture design group usa internet oscar austin ibm com
dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) subject 9600 v 32 internal modem reply dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) organization pics online ! multiuser system 609 753 2540 lines 35 gvc technologies v 32 modem 9600 4800 2400 1200 300 bps operation automatic speed selection ccitt v 32 v 22bis v 22 v 21 full duplex operation asynchronous operation auto answer auto dial automatically switch data voice transmission supports com port 1 4 , irq 2 5 analog digital remote digital loopback test modes communication crosstalk software manual included modem manual warranty registration card included \( optional ccitt v 42bis v 42 mnp 2 5 module , providing error correction data compression increase throughput 38 , 400 bps , available directly manufacturer \) mint condition 125 reply dino fiabane pics com mail bounce sent address instead , please reply via private e mail pics ! dino fiabane twwells com \( since home bbs handle personal messages e mail time , replies also arrive via e mail instead way regular newsgroup \) dino fiabane , 150 weston drive , cherry hill , nj phone \( 609 \) 424 slmr 2 1a reply pics ! dino fiabane twwells com via e mail pics online multiuser system \( 609 \) 753 2540 hst 609 753 1549 \( v32 \) massive file collection 45 , 000 files online 250 newsgroups
ggruscho nyx cs du edu \( george gruschow \) subject disks copy protected organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 29 ketil edb tih \( ketil albertsen , tih \) writes article 1993apr20 230749 12821 reed edu , mblock reed edu \( matt block \) writes guess saying question difficult , impossible , answer exactly want know \? need good one project working \? secure must \? trying crack one someone else used \? probably make suggestions , assuming activity strictly legal \( general , bad idea , legally , tamper copy protection also lead corruption files necessarily back ups \( copy protected , \) devestating \) absolutely ideas practical applications , merely curious \? please clear questions , 'll try help much may interpret offer volunteer editor copy protection faq \? quite sure alone welcoming initiative ! volunteer ask questions , provide answers \) ketil albertsen 's great read article edit personal , save george gruschow death yfn ysu edu ggruscho nyx cs du edu
thg cam orl co uk \( tim glauert \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host cam orl co uk organization olivetti research ltd , cambridge , england lines 15 article news duke edu , kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes none changes fact msw3 1 objectively inferior competition mean msw3 1 objectively inferior respects \( trivially true \) , objectively inferior \( trivially false \) mean something else \? criteria chosen objective \? sure criteria objective \? begun learn life masses never choose best option available choose one conditioned think best i'm glad i'm one comment
eerik iastate edu \( eerik j villberg \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization iowa state university , ames ia distribution rec lines 22 stafford stafford winona msus edu stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) writes 19 apr 93 21 48 42 gmt , xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu said possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? yes , rear wheel comes ground , front see , hops air ! figure know roads minnesota pretty bad , doubt bad 've never realy tried watch back tyre , 82 maxim 750 pull front wheel ground pop clutch admittedly , easier someone back , maybe 's keeps rear tyre \) john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply eerik j villberg p people eerik iastate edu e eating 4208 harris street tasty ames ia 50010 animals
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject braves update ! ! organization biochemistry lines 70 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes odin corp sgi com luigi sgi com \( randy palermo \) writes article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes see game saw \? gant , reasonable , argued horrible call hirschbeck , correctly , nothing gant proceeded walk halfway 3rd base , lean bat glare hirschbeck n't subscribe theory showing people , obvious attempt gant hirschbeck left hirschbeck choice take control situation bottom line gant started dangerous power struggle hirschbeck team needed lost events saw 1 \) called strike hirschbeck , look like hirschbeck pointed 3b umpire calling strike \? thought 's gant asking appeal 1st base umpire thought hirschbeck gotten checked swing help wrong umpire 2 \) shocked looking gant asks appeal first 3 \) appeal first 4 \) gant steps batters box 5 \) hirschbeck immediately orders gant back bad move 6 \) gant ignores hirschbeck walks bad move 7 \) hirschbeck gant gant silent 8 \) hirschbeck calls pitch hirschbeck called pitch , pitch thrown , cox came onto field obvious trying get time called pitch , one watching 9 \) pitch called strike 10 \) cox argues \( could n't see came field \) 11 \) cox ejected , players everywhere 12 \) play finally resumes gant n't ignored hirschbeck returning made strike call fairly likely although suspect argument might gotten gant tossed altogether hirschbeck let gant step , whole incident probably would avoided listing pretty much agreed saw , aforementioned perhaps appeared differently ballpark personally , amazed gant n't get ejected 's cox 's called protecting players people would thrown everyone game , say 'd making baseball history even worst baseball , usually major ejected , everyone comes onto field 'd say considerably threatening game braves fri night anyhow , 's last two cents subject , barring outrageous postings try keep eyes open incidents involving hirschbeck think teams well hope eric
cps msu edu \( \) subject geometry option organization dept computer science , michigan state university lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host cps msu edu greetings , need help detail geometry specification program uses xlib create simple window tried hard code x , location xcreatewindow n't work also tried xsetstandardproperties , luck could somebody enlighten subject hans hans cps msu edu pattern recognition image processing laboratory department computer science michigan state university
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject good jesus died \? organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 26 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes kent , accusing evil things jesus accusing accusing accusing everyone , everyone world guilty whether one sees light seen light nothing whether evil things regardless ever made mistake \? ever lied someone \? even little white lie \? ever claimed know something really n't know \? ever hated someone \? ever selfish \? guilty one \? answer course , yes guilty period jesus getting big surprise feelings even enter picture consider jesus 's use word guilt court uses said everyone world means everyone world , including children old enough speak , let alone tell lies jesus says everyone , cannot support referring group people somewhat smaller everyone first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
violet ccit arizona edu \( zhang , \) subject pcx w4w \? distribution world , local organization university arizona lines 15 nntp posting host violet ccit arizona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 hi , folks , question generate pcx file using word windows \( 2 0 \) \? know select postscript printer driver get ps file , generate pcx file \? printer capture utility windows ever exists \? utility transfer ps format pcx format , tiff format \? please reply e mail , give summary thanks zhang ccit arizona edu
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject doctrine original sin organization indiana university lines 31 article may 11 02 39 02 1993 athos rutgers edu eugene bigelow ebay sun com writes obviously applies equally well infants adults , since souls infants must baptized , therefore , cannot enter heaven need form life , cannot enter heaven saying baptism nothing asking jesus come heart accepting savior , ritual must go enable us enter heaven \? n't think joe saying thing however , question asking jesus come heart seems imply infants allowed christ must baptism always viewed people sort prodigal son type thing e sudden change heart , going accepting christ suddenly accepting christ \? ca n't people start christ shortly birth , build relationship \? , man suddenly meet woman , marry day \? experiences , 've learned relationships must built , including one 's relationship god also joe speaking standpoint baptism ritual , god bestows grace upon recipient certainly mental faculties know christ necessary believe however , bestows grace recipient , makes permanent mark adoption god 's family soul steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
glouie oasys dt navy mil \( george louie \) subject nissan nomenclature \( manual shift bigots wanted \) reply glouie oasys dt navy mil \( george louie \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 13 rec autos , grahamt phantom gatech edu \( graham e thomas \) writes currently know 240sx , known elsewhere 200sx graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah kind interesting always assumed 240sx named 2 4 liter engine uses likewise 200sx uses 2 0 liter engine n't true \? george
jmparkin mtu edu \( jeremy parkinson \) subject wanted calculator organization michigan technological university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 9 hello , looking calculator anyone one getting rid please let know reply jmparkin mtu edu thanks , jeremy jeremy parkinson aka slimy 'd give right arm jmparkin mtu edu unknown
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject coward jews organization zuma distribution world lines 42 article usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes arab armies attack israel yom kippur \? suppose brave slaughter athletes olympics \? maybe armenians long , long time source hagopian said part 1972 terror attack munich olympic games , armenian reporter , february 7 , 1985 , p 1 le , influential paris daily , based unidentified sources , claimed last week hagopian , founder leader one faction armenian secret army liberation armenia \( asala \) , among arab terrorists staged attack living quarters israeli athletes 1972 olympic games le added 1982 , hagopian operated beirut , lebanon , escaped country israeli forces entered city time statement issued asala claimed mr hagopian dead wounds suffered bombing israeli air force , although generally believed mysterious leader alive well presently residing alternately damascus , syria , athens , greece paper also noted socialist government prime minister andreas p k party accepted armenian underground leader open arms still providing assistance simply greece 's traditional enmity turkey le adds asala derives small portion expenditures wealthy armenians support cause , rest coming either sources proceeds involvement drug trafficking serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject null modem c distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 22 humble response letter gordon lang written 04 21 93 22 09 gl interrested simple concept null gl modem cable \( actually idea , n't count last gl statement \) i'm asking pins use \( gl 's specifications \? \) want solder one instead gl buying one n't even know port used may want save trouble go radio shack null modem adapter 9 pin connector necessary pins allow two machines communicate lot easier soldering connections , usually bit reliable p e people eating tasty animals blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
norris athena mit edu \( richard chonak \) subject boston church organization lines 14 \( dear moderator would add bcc faq \? \) case ex members boston church christ looking support organization , 's number burlington , 617 272 1955 r c readers new england may interested seeing series news reports bcc 6 pm nightly news channel 5 \( , boston \) , next days \( starting wed , 5 19 \) viewers outside boston area , telecasts also aired new england cable news channel 8 pm
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject rob lanphier organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 41 brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes kent , regards information contained bible \( original context thread \) , brian kendig inside huge wall brian inside bible information contained therein outside wall um , think bible ones inside wall 's really wonderful world really peek sometime silly things keep saying reinforce fact opposite sides high wall see incredibly beautiful things side , keep telling 'd like come join brian kendig proves sad fact absurd things says example , get pit , cease exist never said said would prefer cease exist tossed god 's version hell proposing brian , brian , come take look vantage point brian replies , rather thank content besides , vista stinks meanwhile , brian ignores facts never realize shared plateau brian stands say , brian , come take look vantage point 're valley , looking drawing sun tree , ca n't life figure 're 'm one trying get come , n't see \? brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject hr 1276 \( gun law live ! \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 45 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr21 dg rtp dg com , meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) writes bill establish right obtain firearms security , use firearms defense self , family , home , provide enforcement right article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes maybe i'm religious , see bill establish right , keep mind , law giveth , law taketh away hey , guys 're absolutely correct , well way winning battle losing war yes , serious philosophical flaws hr 1276 technical ones , 'd like sue feds , lose , pay reasonable attorney 's fee \? \) still , one basic question compared 've got hr 1276 \( \) better , \( b \) worse \? one n't even take three guesses compared second amendment \? think 's worse problem , devil details know , brady bill sounds like good idea , discover check , police allow purchase even check , recourse n't loopholes \? i'm lawyer , ca n't sure would never noticed second one mentioned brady bill , example words involved , details saying abraham lincoln requiring 200 words free slaves , modern congress requiring 3 , 000 , 000 words describe price controls rice \? 's good enough show support hr 1276 , maybe change could ones saying 's reasonable first step works bad laws good laws like good computer programs quality written start , added later cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
\( \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 27 freed om religion absolutely nothing building small arsenal grooming 10 year old children wife 'll come soon finish manuscript seven seals oh , ok , david agree koresh much victim perpetrator grew inside cult , engaged power struggle supporters helped inflate ego n't change fact loose fucking cannon shitload serious weapons banging thirteen year olds twisting little minds move fuck helicoptor thermal imaging compound afternoon detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously cs canisters specially modified abrams stuff chance starting fire kerosene lamps \? maybe one , three fires way koresh n't talking ass expected happen maybe wanted look like murder 50 days think coming whole time n't even put children buried bus underground bunker cs seige put tower die fuck big brother paranoid freaks good thing come one less group attract members society joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
coburnn spot colorado edu \( nicholas coburn \) subject buying 1992 suzuki advice wanted keywords suzuki nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 27 ssc sas upenn edu \( andrew white \) writes hello , net readers looking little net advice 've got eye '92 suzuki local dealer bike 's got 3 , 200 miles looks mint condition dealer asking bit less 2 , 800 good price \? n't access blue book lazy go library dealer letting test ride week blue book says wholesale , retail sounds like getting pretty fair price \( assuming nice condition \) andrew white univ pennsylvania \( edu breath \) sas upenn edu dod '82 honda sabre v45 nick coburn dod 6425 ama coburnn spot colorado edu
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject cruel \( political atheists \? \) organization sgi lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes , shows painful execution considered cruel unusual punishment shows cruel used constitution refer whether punishment causes physical pain rather , must different meaning n't think although forms execution painful \( electric chair looks particularly \) , think pain relatively short lived drawing , hand , looks painful , victim would n't die right away \( 'd bleed death , 'd imagine \) , integral pain x time \? get wet ever , get cut power saw i'm quick \? jon
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization university toronto chemistry department lines 13 article hsdndev harvard edu nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) writes harry never admit screwed major way brought one dumbest people business , brian sutter sutter 's playoff record head coach st louis speaks blues really chance advance second round year grant fuhr done lot better coaches brian sutter gerald
ntaib silver ucs indiana edu \( iskandar taib \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu reply comp os ms windows advocacy organization indiana university lines 24 article mekenkamp 6 stpc wi leidenuniv nl mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl \( leo mekenkamp \) writes excuse \? one people enjoy working w win \? come talk house mate mine tell productive life encountered yet another sudden appearence dos prompt cutting pasting win ! empty win screen without tasks running \( e esc brings empty list , progman done \) sigh n't know roomate must something wrong people enjoy using windows \? yes 'll admit given choice mac windows choose windows every time \( start another flame thread 9 \) \) iskandar taib thing worse peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs !
robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization institute cognitive studies , u c berkeley lines 20 distribution usa nntp posting host cogsci berkeley edu keywords advice , pillion , help ! article 1993apr21 microsoft com microsoft com \( pat \) writes also , remember 's much draining tiring ride 2 , 're concentrating much , zen moment less remember first times someone whose safety great concern \( opposed brothers , etc \) , almost got us killed several occasions surprised discover much safer drive trying unusually cautious concerned abruptly adopting novel set thought patterns riding strategies bike asking trouble michael robinson uucp ucbvax ! cogsci ! robinson internet robinson cogsci berkeley edu
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject mary 's assumption reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 9 elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity remember couple times ex girlfriend said thought blessed son \( loved dearly \) fact , 've heard people refer someone blessed quite times 's common figure speech considering elizabeth another human , think passage offers nothing towards justifying mary
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject rob lanphier organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 43 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote kent , regards information contained bible \( original context thread \) , brian kendig inside huge wall brian inside bible information contained therein outside wall brian kendig proves sad fact absurd things says example , get pit , cease exist bible n't say n't clue even jesus said hell one example looking discussion would say operate reference frame 's inside outside , two polarized views statements inside bible , things still clear , n't indications instance jobs placed old testament , one books actually talks satan jobs much line rest ot books , 's chance someone added book later group ot scriptures sense , kent , sensing reality different matter brian , relativity play big role perceive true , depends vantage point since read bible , brian kendig shows n't , narrower perspective mine \( least respect knowledge bible \) proposing brian , brian , come take look vantage point brian replies , rather thank content besides , vista stinks meanwhile , brian ignores facts never realize shared plateau brian stands operates way around well understand mind atheist , agnostic , case , radical relativist n't understand underlying concepts , pretty hard continue dialogue i'm perfect christian , however 20 years christian teaching provided pretty good picture christian mind frame cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
oz au \( brian wallis \) subject dfi handy scanner , talk \? organization computer systems pty ltd lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host oz au dfi handy scanner model hs little bit software running dos use 'd like make extensive use device \( particular , write driver unix \) , anyone give description talk device connects system via 's interface card info would help , ca n't difficult talk \) thanks , brian wallis computer systems pty ltd
angelo amd com \( romeo \) subject add another ide hd stacker 3 0 keywords hd organization advanced micro devices , inc lines 12 hi , somebody tell step step add 40mb ide \? hd existing 120mb ide maxtor hd stacker 3 0 dos 5 \? know set jumpers 40m slave settings heads , , sectors , etc also know cmos settings fdisk problem letter cmos give new drive \? 's , happen stacker creates swap \? tell cmos make e \? stack , c , , e f \? know could faq readme somewhere , want hear somebody 've actually done thanks !
odysseus \( aaron walker \) subject little question blame \( atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host odysseus organization mae lines 36 article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu , mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) writes however branch davidian people insisted staying savior \( yeah right budy boy \) brain washed believing ever says truth , even means give lives cause , n't \? 's hardly first faith sect cult espouse type belief therefore davids fault atf 's gave 50 51 days get , 50 days many many rest u keep hearing , 'll agree come \( legally , best option \) , n't far know , legal provision 're tired shit , lets kick ass question goes come point gun , saying i'm going count ten , n't standing head , 'll kill believe standing head road damnation , n't 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 bang ! dead fault shooting , 're fault shot \? koresh would n't stand head aaron
invader cs utexas edu \( michael kelly \) subject apple rgb monitor vs apple 12 color monitor organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 10 nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu keywords apple monitor cable info old apple rgb monitor iigs looks whole lot like 12 monitor suspicion right cable could use mac anyone know suspicions correct full
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization dsi uscrpac distribution na lines 17 article 1993apr27 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes one mentioned violence , mr han believe imagining things factually incorrect least one message said waco clipper justified anything response david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
allegra att com \( dan \) subject christian reformed organization bell laboratories , murray hill , nj lines 8 christian reformed church allow people belong lodges , reformed church america conservatives churches similar , progressives rca currently women crc fighting issue significant fraction churches live western michigan \( fyi , went crc school calvin college \) dan
jek cu nih gov subject bible immaculate conception lines 35 andy byler writes biblical basis dogma immaculate conception put enmity serpent woman , seed seed , also read shall crush head shall bruise heel genesis 3 15 commits sin devil 1 john 3 8 hail , full grace greek , lord thee luke 1 28 hebrew genesis 3 15 , gender clearly masculine shall crush head , shall bruise heel latin feminine forms , accident grammar andrew stated means full grace perfection grace word used elsewhere new testament ephesians 1 6 unto praise glory grace , hath us beloved son \( translation \) cannot find indication dictionary verb implies anything strong andrew suggests , ephesians passage suggest verb means preserve taint original actual sin first moment existence like see comment meaning verb , preferably writer discussing luke 1 28 moment , james kiefer
duncans phoenix princeton edu \( duncan eric smith \) subject verse divisions organization princeton university lines 5 i'm wondering anyone knows answer rather trivial question 've thinking process used divide bible verses believe jerome divided new testament , 've never seen discussion seems rather arbitrary , opposed , example , making sentence verse
mr slate cis udel edu \( \) subject disk image question organization university delaware , newark lines 17 distribution usa nntp posting host mr slate cis udel edu hello , recently noticed directory named disk n't notice wonder installing application image disk created , win3 1 automatically created backup files could n't find documentation utility image disk taking lot disk space anybody know something people installed win3 1 backup mechanism \? thanks , 21 dr 7 w \( 302 \) 831 cis udel edu newark , de h \( 302 \) 453
jek cu nih gov subject mary , blessed among women lines 23 dave bernard writes elizabeth greeted mary words blessed art thou among women \( luke 1 42 \) , appears places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity deborah says \( judges 5 24 \) blessed among women shall wife , blessed women tents doubtless taken 's slaying sisera type mary 's victory sin even take deborah 's words applying mary , must still applicable literally may well take mean god used part plan deliverance people , common mary reason suppose mean sinless , thus reason take like expression applied mary proof sinless , james kiefer
subject shaft drives wheelies stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 13 article wrs 4180 wslack uucp , wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) wrote uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! statement true spirit list false statement misinformation 's spirit , bill 5 wheelies 's chain drive model john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
art compu com \( art lekoff \) subject furniture keywords good condition ! reply art compu com organization art 's house lines 21 need nice furnishings apartment house \? glass topped wood \( sides \) chrome \( \) \( 1 \) coffee \( 2 \) end tables sale \( 1 \) coffee tables approximately five feet length two feet wide \( 2 \) end tables 2 5 ft x 2 5 ft glass clear \( scratches \) first 50 00 takes ! thanks reading ! art art lekoff internet art compu com lisa turn compu erve 2024 compuserve com , pa bell 215 757
ch subject radius pivot le card 32bit adressing organization university st , switzerland lines 20 hello ! mac iisi runs radius pivot le monitor , pds card wanted try switch 32 bit adressing , could n't startup mac anymore 1 trick zap pram \( wo n't take battery next time \) 2 trick could allow switch 32bit \? 3 32bit adressing bring user \? faster work \? 4 chance 8mb memory 24bit adressing \? thank lot answers \( via mail reply \) ralph , university st , switzerland
peirce outpost sf bay org \( michael peirce \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? reply peirce outpost sf bay org \( michael peirce \) organization peirce software lines 34 x mailer uaccess macintosh release 1 6v2 article 1993apr21 alleg edu \( comp sys mac hardware \) , alleg edu \( jim \) writes article 1r3jl5 igh function mps ohio state edu nevai mps ohio state edu \( paul nevai \) writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul paul nevai nevai mps ohio state edu dept math ohio state university 1 614 292 3317 \( office \) columbus , ohio 43210 1174 , u 1 614 292 1479 \( math dept fax \) actually , thought macs restarted day nope keep mac running time since also acts usenet node exchanges mail news every half hour \( run uaccess \) receives faxes turn monitors hooked produce heat want warm garage office summer 've got one handy power control centers \( 25 fry 's \) flip switch front start stop working way , strategy seems somewhat endorsed apple since new color classic turn monitor certain length idle time michael peirce peirce outpost sf bay org peirce software suite 301 , 719 place san jose , california usa makers voice 1 408 244 fax 1 408 244 applelink peirce america online afc peirce
catcher netcom com \( paul w francisco \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization night people lines 56 article 1993apr26 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes 1993apr25 sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) writes i'm even going bother reply ranting post letter addressed gary bettman , reply wishes post addressed quote said , letter addressed bettman post \( , though pretty much content , entirely different entity \) addressed puts letter mail doubt say figure wanted let people see since topic interests lot folks 's entirely different purpose sending letter bettman unfortunately guess let know n't \? represent large body hockey fans standard care use define large 65 people constitutes nothing tiny group fanatics way representative large body hockey fans internet let alone one largest computer networks world largest computer networks world phrase definition internet , group whole claims represent business whether large , large compared say , number folks r h sending letter thank changing names , least point curiosity thought 'd look official definition large dictionary reads large 1 usual power , capacity , scope 2 exceeding things like kind quantity size idea many letters bettman may gotten issue many people may signed 65 people may , thereby definition 2 would also wager geographical range signatures quite large , would give large scope might impressed size list names would impressed unless large \? course assuming actually agree writing simply trying pain whole issue hear speak personally n't know whether agree letter mixed emotions like names , n't think make difficult learn game , might shred validity change paul w francisco shadow angel cries catcher netcom com front line assembly
nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host c ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard corporation , chelmsford , lines 44 article bu edu kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) writes article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes homosexuals lie 10 number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation also lie 10 keep politicians scared 1 n't shown disproportionate involvement 2 janus report , came recently , gives 9 percentage exclusively predominantly gay men janus report bookstore recently looking clue methodology unclear , far could tell relied professional associates profession provide subjects , interviews , numbers , would hardly represent average cross section posted usenet time asking data methodology answer came none \( must mind even asking factual information usenet ! \) 3 one presumably going say 're gay 're doubt going hide homosexuality surveys thus 1 2 lower limit problem people lot confidence anonymity study counted speak freely stuff like agree someone 's going lie direction gay person claiming straight rather way around still say weighing evidence gives likely percentage 5 7 n't see 's evidence figure seems totally arbitrary peter
ggruscho nyx cs du edu \( george gruschow \) subject disks copy protected organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 50 schaefer imag imag fr \( arno schaefer \) writes article 1993apr21 lumina edb tih , ketil edb tih \( ketil albertsen , tih \) writes article 1993apr20 230749 12821 reed edu , mblock reed edu \( matt block \) writes guess saying question difficult , impossible , answer exactly want know \? need good one project working \? secure must \? trying crack one someone else used \? probably make suggestions , assuming activity strictly legal \( general , bad idea , legally , tamper copy protection also lead corruption files necessarily back ups \( copy protected , \) devestating \) absolutely ideas practical applications , merely curious \? please clear questions , 'll try help much may interpret offer volunteer editor copy protection faq \? quite sure alone welcoming initiative ! volunteer ask questions , provide answers \) ketil albertsen hey , stop encouraging \? copy protection serves one pur pose keep honest buyer making \( legal \) backup copies definitely stop pirates want protect soft , supply good documentation support imho way effectively pro software best regards , arno arno schaefer , 2e email schaefer silene imag fr tel \( 33 \) 76 51 79 95 \) , 're paranoid world really get wrong never give update program much possible , low price upgrade registered users \( please make sure keep list registered numbers ! \) george gruschow death yfn ysu edu ggruscho nyx cs du edu
dave bsd uchicago edu \( dave griffith \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april organization university chicago computing organizations lines 25 article dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes point though learn mistakes govt played wrong card lost thats big deal four guys murdered begining maybee prepared situation could \? thing happen might perhaps able govt used tactics failed way ca n't say would made mistake maybee would n't n't rule go confrontational situation avoid maybee would press difficult try macho stuff god , many chances get \? operation move \( , early 80 's \) , black panthers \( chicago , 1969 \) , etc , etc hell , get heavily armed cults west every couple years start cascade times feds situations like \? dave griffith , information resources , university chicago , biological sciences division dave delphi bsd uchicago edu brain damage chromosome damage
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject addressing turkish genocide apology 451 summary upon checking reference organization p center regional studies lines 77 turkish historical revision auto residue zuma uucp , sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) , posted following \( source adventures near east rawlinson , jonathan cape , \( 30 bedford square , london , 1934 \( first published 1923 \) \( 287 pages \) \( \( memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide 2 5 \( million muslim people \) bull ! \( p 184 \( second paragraph \) \( \( received definite information horrors \( committed armenian kars plain , \( able judge want discipline \( treatment detached parties , wired tiflis \( zivin 'in interests humanity armenians \( left independent command moslem population , , \( troops without discipline effective control , \( atrocities constantly committed , \( justice eventually held morally responsible' page 184 copy rawlinson book , find following facsimile note word armenian n't even appear ! 184 adventures near east disposal journey , would become headquarters considerable time , therefore went trouble make habitable peculiar little locomotive , originally built america russian government , adapted burn either wood oil one covered truck men 's quarters one similar , fitted self railway officer also truck carry wood , three cars utmost small engine could pull small outfit started , rumours kinds reaching us departure indicating whole situation rapidly coming head , evident turks becoming face delay allies reaching definite decision regard future travelling little war time railway indeed experience , necessary carry gauge , test rails frequently , many places , sinking washing away ballast , rails required rectification able get train , even foot pace bridge also elaborate examination train upon , eventually obliged carry large tim temporarily shore many bridges whilst passed circumstances may imagined prog means rapid , frequently halt also supply wood fuel , considered achieved wonders , evening second day , 60 hours 70 miles , finally entered mountains understood worst troubles lie road kars descends foot hills cross frontier railway , however , follows main aras river val ley till frontier enters , whilst road cuts corner joins rail frontier post zivin , 15 miles main valley soon entering , confronted first serious fall rock 2 , 000 tons fallen cliff face entirely railway track , therefore , halted , , sending engine back , prepared david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) subject circuit boards green \? organization malaspina college lines 67 article 1993apr27 mega com au , swanee megadata mega oz au \( geoff swan \) writes article 1993apr23 1720 mala bc ca , wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) writes color board shows composition , hence use original older boards bakelite composition , brown phenolic \( spelling \) tan non filled fiberglass boards used computers green filled fiberglass blue teflon white rubbish reason colour boards depends solder mask used older boards \( bakelite phenolic \) rarely used solder mask \( boards suited well automatic stuffing soldering techniques \) hence colour compound used make days boards made fibreglass general purpose uses solder mask applied prevent close traces shorting one another soldering \( also prevent decomposition traces harsh environments \) light dark green boards seen dry film mask applied \( usually applied complete film produced \) blue \( red orange \) boards two part epoxy liquid resist formulation applied different manner 's lot info pro 's con 's , 's another story sla n go fo ill , risky b geoff swan \( research development \) swanee mega com au megadata pty ltd 2 37 waterloo rd , north ryde , 61 2 805 nsw 2113 , australia v \( fax \) 61 2 887 4847 sorry geoff , agree solder mask green , old days n't wave soldering machines \( another topic \) crew dozen ladies could stuff hand solder board like lightning ! board mask original query btw cheap electronic devices \( mainly 3rd world countries \) done brown boards seems electronics industry discovered cheap labor pools workers paid board assemble circuits home obviously hand soldered quite tape recorders brought canada red china china warranty equipment plug works 's one co workers spent year said failure rate box almost 50 also , original method making printed conductive ink regular printing press old friend press method developed used press print wood grain doors 73 , tom tom wagner , audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia \( 604 \) 753 3245 , loc 2230 fax 755 8742 callsign ve7gda weapon 45 kentucky rifle snail mail site q4 , c2 rr 4 , nanaimo , british columbia , canada , v9r 5x9 recyle keep everything ! \( standard disclaimers apply \)
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject coreldraw bitmap scodal \( 2 \) lines 38 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article zephyr grace cri nz , srlnjal grace cri nz writes yes aware coreldraw exports scodal version 2 quite well , apart hassles radial fills version 3 better try export scodal bitmap image included drawing say something like cannot export scodal bitmap least version oh ok , sorry misunderstanding anyone knows way around ears temporal images make product called converts autocad plots scodal , postscript scodal gif scodal costs 650 wondering anything bitmap scodal part tad cheaper maybee persuade 650 become much competitive , taking input autocad , postscript well seriously , sounds like something bureau find another bureau one software chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) subject freedom association organization generally favor , mostly random lines 174 article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes well put together post disagree several key points , post excellent one engage discourse much discussion recently right freedom association mr cramer mr ronzone appear take absolutist position right fundamental human right , perhaps fundamental human right , supersedes rights , right equal opportunity others feel right equal opportunity outweighs right freedom association , thus never ending debate flares repeatedly freedom association \( foa \) involves mutual voluntary agreement two people right equal opportunity \( lets call reo \) involves coercion cases \( definition \) major problem neither rights explicitly declared protected constitution declaration independence , although derived documents unfortunately , means debate never end , neither side prove validity view becomes solely matter personal philosophy yes , much debate , end , recognition rights \( well , totally 100 perfect end , end way worldwide disagreement say , murder , crime \) personal opinion real answer lies somewhere regard rights fundamental human rights , , come direct conflict one another stronger depends given situation hmm , even discusion religion take somewhere approach towards state state recognized religion \? first amendment , , uh , absolutist know example , owner mom pop store wishes hire employee help , right freedom association outweighs rights job applicants equal opportunity free hire whomever choose , using whatever criteria choose , without government intervention similarly , family wishes rent bedroom home , garage apartment , something similar , right freedom association outweighs rights prospective tenants equal opportunity , hand , ibm , multi national corporation 275 , 000 employees , publicly owned , operated board directors , wishes hire additional employees , whose freedom association protecting \? board directors \? employees \? owners stock \? case , applicant 's right equal opportunity outweighs right freedom association , , society , ask ibm use criteria relevant specific task \? says \? mon pop foa , ibm forced , force correct word , reo \? purchase ibm voluntary , well defined procedures ibm chooses things chooses things let procedures work employment policies \? similarly , landlord owns number apartment buildings live , managed independent management agency , whose freedom association protecting \? owner live buildings contact tenants , prospective tenant 's right equal opportunity outweighs right freedom association , , society , ask owner use criteria relevant good tenants \( 've put good quotation marks really n't want drawn side issue constitutes good tenant \) tenant option \( wo n't call right \) destroy foa landlord \? landlord tenant ca n't agree , cease using 's property suddenly , arm waving , magic , landlord foa basis foa landlord disappear \? seems vague terms like contact tenants suffice well , think foa one important \( top 2 3 \) , , state going make suffer , sure would like see heinous crime justifies removal right n't think contact even crime , much less something cause severe interference important rights suspect majority people country agree position extreme cases , particularly presented manner n't know mr ronzone mr cramer would agree suspect case , additional problems arise try apply guidelines middle ground company 10 employees , 100 , 1000 \? draw line protecting right freedom association protecting right equal opportunity \? rights defined majority mob choice foa absolute reo fancy name , racism , coercion difficulty line draw , necessity , artificial legislation resulting flawed past , government usually tried pass laws referred number employees hired company e g , company xxx employees affected law fewer unaffected course would see line must , foa right like state religion ca n't either generally , believe regulations affecting rights , right freedom association stronger hand , many regulations protect right equal opportunity much , weakening right freedom association n't believe satisfactory solution please everybody solution came use publicly owned vs privately owned dividing line company remains privately owned , owners free whatever want company company becomes publicly owned , public right ask company submit additional regulation \? assume say publicly owned , talking quasi state shareholders companies fortune 500 , example , privately owned give list owners anonymous , unknown , owners way , analysis based assumption right freedom association right equal opportunity fundamental human rights equal importance since entirely matter faith , subject proof , choose even try establish either accept n't comments \? foa derived two rational people , basis neither evil , malicious , murderous intent towards others short , agreement mutual , reo hand , lives accepting coercion , gun , situation self destructive whole argument , based might makes right sort like saying , nobody right live , whereupon whip gun shoot dead end argument actually people still believe love canal kind environmental disaster weird , eh \? opinions mine , ca n't 'em ! \( 'll rent 'em cheap \)
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject matter church \? organization indiana university lines 22 article may 2 09 51 04 1993 geneva rutgers edu gideon otago ac nz \( gideon king \) writes protestant reformers opposed subsequently separated church rome , battle cry new protesting religion bible , whole bible , nothing bible underlying cry theory people could read bible native tongue would discover truth god purpose would shed old errors united common faith idea , reformers somehow first bring bible people language , myth many translations bible existed long reformation vulgate bible , still official version bible catholic church , translation common \( e vulgar vulgate \) tongue day , latin , existed reformation might also noted printing press even invented century reformation occurred steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
awe mit edu \( ari epstein \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization mit lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host mit edu article viking ponderous cc iastate edu , viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes netcom com mcclary netcom com \( michael mcclary \) writes lds rlds philosophy religions strayed true church set jesus , god judge merits addition , rlds also contend \( lds may well \) ignorance true way \( tm \) excuse condemned tought way rejected short , lds rlds suffer everybody lutherans buddhists , secure knowledge though wrong penalized ignorance believe quite correct understanding lds engaged project convert souls deceased persons religions , order spare damnation gain entrance heaven end , church compiled extensive records , know names people convert long article new yorker years ago described lds research methods detail \( example , researchers pay visits local native learn names people long dead \) sounds like sort lie would made unusual religion , new yorker story convinced truth \( new yorker used extensive fact checking , story quite detailed \) ari
wallich ncd com \( ken wallich \) subject bmw heated grips organization organized , would reading news \? lines 26 nntp posting host wild abandon , prange nickel ucs indiana edu \( henry prange \) offers grips gs wonderful thing winter problem summer vibration \? bmw 's n't everyone knows 'd agree henry grips really nice winter , n't different 'normal' grips summer complaint setting might well complained every reviewer , official unofficial , 's ever talked grips setting often high use lightweight summer gloves things get bit , since n't produce noticable effect , end turning grips keep temperature right generally n't problem wearing thicker winter gloves asked dealer could fix , received pat back , sincere apologies poor design \( actually , told worked like suppose \) vibration \? 's \? ride bmw twin barely tell engine fired time , smoother silk sheets ken wallich wallich ncd com ken wallich com al org decwrl ! vixie ! amber ! ken
aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) subject freedom u reply aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) organization national capital freenet lines 27 previous article , jaa12 cunixa cc columbia edu \( john absood \) says never wise confuse freedom speech freedom racism violent deragatory unfortunate many fail understand crucial distinction could n't agree canada anti hate law exists punish spread false propaganda \( lies \) purpose putting another group actually law david irving hopefully found guilty due denial holocaust 's bad useless centre policy research n't canada 'd set nice precedent law applies cyberspace steve internet aa229 freenet carleton ca fidonet 1 163 109 18 mossad qube ocunix ca opinions associated anything , including head
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject new encryption nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 38 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes psionic wam umd edu , whose name either unfortunate coincidence casts serious doubt bona fides , posts message seems willing take word private firm knows little new encryption algorithm secure contains trapdoors , seemingly government clipper couple reasons would likely trust algorithm 1 algorithm made totally public , patented 2 keys escrowed course either true , use new algorithm since never seen new algorithm , idea secure yet suppose depends paranoid one wishes , writer know firm n't , example , nsa front \? purposes message , know psionic n't \? n't suggest , post point class speculation truth value , without lots hard evidence , contrary one way , psionic said , lower case letters , firm claims back door , 'd problem phrasing ca n't make judgements algorithm yet , notice creators algorithm open thing works , willing make public , showing bit scrutiny , weaknesses probably revealed , n't know clipper doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
salem pangea stanford edu \( bruce salem \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization stanford univ earth sciences lines 7 nntp posting host pangea stanford edu article c5ztju fkx news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes nt tossed info jesus realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? tossed source , would regarded unbiased independant \?
cris cm deakin oz au \( christopher welsh \) subject need 3 button mouse help ! organization deakin university , , australia lines 22 distribution world nntp posting host aragorn cm deakin edu au anyone recommend 3 button mouse compatible macx quadra \? , buttons say , cut , paste etc \? anyone suggest supplier \? 3 button mice know exist 1 106 00 aust \( \) 2 100 00 aust \( mac direct \) ok configuration \? please reply directly regards christopher welsh deakin university chris welsh department computing maths cris aragorn cm deakin oz au everybody enormous potential could see see
bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host ant occ uc edu organization university cincinnati lines 37 article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu \( larry ludes ludwig \) writes stuff deleted microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes think windows useable , must use much windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir \( air \) bag expensive add brett must read many os 2 advertisements crash protection marketing gimick , n't funny 4 months using windows new machine 've crash , n't run mill configuration microsoft leader innovation , certainly know build better , 's wrong \? \? larry ludes ludwig 's always taken twice get clemson university compsci undergrad right never heard ludes hubcap clemson edu apple ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs sound funny , admit true windows crashed time \( read pc mag , exception \) os 2 gives windows app ca n't touch \( generally \) anything n't supposed windows works , great maybe people n't see os 2 os choice windows n't crash , n't mind waiting task , able adress memory better dos , key reasons using os 2 gone probably would still use , would even fight brett brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u cincy catch cats college engineering friends n't let friends windows th week think 's wrong believe ism , believe
bob advtech uswest com \( bob brown \) subject se accelerator nntp posting host advtech uswest com organization uswest advanced technologies lines 9 i'm trying find information accelerator boards se anyone used past , especially extreme systems , \? i'm looking board support extended video , especially radius 's two page monitor anyone used virtual conjunction board \? software \? stats anywhere speed difference board fpu one without \? please send mail directly thanks bob brown
kam cv hp com \( keith marchington \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks nntp posting host cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 43 wrote article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? yes given history bd 's fact peacefully minding business , think would correct course action beginning everything followed direct result major media fuck batf perpetrated 51 days ago fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu yep , doubt bombed right git go yeah , sure ! much resemblence america constitution much feeling safe home much rights enumerated bill rights upheld bother \? get way effective government , government elite , elite , elite joe , attitudes like facts actually happened , information came single source , fbi batf yet happy pronounce bd 's guilty charged based one sided testimony scary ! keith marchington
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject sharks review part 7 trades nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 29 nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes acquired c marcus , n islanders rw brian mullen grade \( b c \) known yet impact , overall , trade would , yet contract sharks , appear ready become anytime soon mullen , meanwhile , productive \( somewhat \) season islanders , however , appear big scorer memory right , 2 points 11 games swedish elite league '91 92 season , n't notice name frequently staffan 's reports , n't make national team either appear good sign marcus 6 goals , 10 assists , 16 points 22 pim 31 games season leksand swedish elite league 10th point scoring leksand marcus \( born may 31 1971 , ht 185 cm , wt 85 kg \) relatively young might still start producing , think sharks may done bad trade staffan \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
derrick j brashear db74 andrew cmu edu subject summary virtual mouse ol v wm organization sophomore , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 25 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu got following today gary risebrough worked fine excerpts mail 29 apr 93 ol v wm 3 virtual gov au \( 554 \) hi , regard following lines xresources olwm keyboardcommands full olvwm keyboardcommands full olwm true olvwm true openwindows keyboardcommands full openwindows virtualgrabkeys false seems work cheers ! gary phone 61 2 563 gary gov au
kirsch staff tc umn edu \( dave 'almost cursed jays' kirsch \) subject harry caray nntp posting host staff tc umn edu organization li'l carlos hormones lines 22 article oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil \( bernard \) writes old time cardinal fan relocated area recall harry popular old man busch , , understand , fired kicked st louis quite sure reasons , old man certainly ole harry maybe wife \) n't claim know whether 's true , couple different people \( totally unrelated \) said harry duties platonic relations busch 's wife judgement left individual , cuz sure n't claim source case dave hung like jim acker slider kirsch blue jays '93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes context ! beat dead horse , 's couple o' weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence
marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) subject organized lobbying cryptography reply marc tanda isis org distribution na organization thibault friends lines 30 article 1993apr23 news clarkson edu \( dwight tuinstra \) writes great slogan ! i'm ready sign crypto lobbying effort \( though would n't want nra offshoot \) shall also push cryptographic rights amendment \? \? looking frozen north , looks like could worse get nra involved kindred problem , large number voters , right attitude , lots funds ethical constitutional viewpoint , n't seen good argument cryptographic rights n't also support nra position guns \( vice versa \) cheers , marc marc thibault marc tanda isis org automation architect cis 71441 , 2226 r r 1 , oxford mills , ontario , canada nc freenet aa185 begin pgp public key block mqbnaiqxytkaaaecalfehyp0yc80s1scfvjspj5escao hihtnefrrn vuecsavh aauwpiugyv2n8n lftpnnlc42ms c8pjupykvi8abrg0i01hcmmgvghpymf1bhqg pg1hcmnadgfuzgeuaxnpcy5vcmc hlnv end pgp public key block
autodesk com \( roger \) subject fast organization autodesk inc , sausalito ca , usa lines 24 dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) writes article armory centerline com jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) writes mustang sho platform designed 130mph , would come better seatbelts , supportive seats , stronger passenger compartment cage , better brakes , stiffer suspension , different tires , body design takes advantage aero effects keep car ground words , 'd 1993 rx7 yeah , 'd pay 30 , 000 go 5 0 lx mustang bang buck
davi saturn rowan edu subject 85 mb western digital hard drive sale lines 11 nntp posting host saturn rowan edu organization rowan college nj , , nj digital caviar 280 internal hard drive 85 3 mb 3 5 half height ide 1 5 years old great shape ! 160 closest offer ! mike davi saturn rowan edu
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject iridology credence \? \? \? organization um anesthesiology lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxdate tue , 27 apr 93 17 38 21 gmt article dpw com janice price , dpw com writes much tell person 's health looking eyes \? looking iris \( iridology \) virtually nothing looking retina allows one small blood vessels helpful assessing various systemic diseases , hypertension diabetes example mackie opinion um disavow
dmcgee uluhe soest hawaii edu \( mcgee \) subject find diamond speedstar 24x drivers \? organization school ocean earth science technology lines 4 cica indiana edu pc drivers current version 2 0 \?
cmh eng cam ac uk \( c hicks \) subject making odd resistor values required filters nntp posting host club eng cam ac uk organization cam eng lines 26 nessie mcc ac uk \( ian hawkins \) writes constructing active filters , odd values resistor often required \( e something like 3 14 k ohm resistor \) \( seems best choose common capacitor values cope strange resistances demanded \) pd program work best make resistance , given fixed resistors standard 12 values per decade \? \( 1 , 1 2 , 1 5 , 1 8 , 2 2 , 3 3 etc \) common enough problem , yet cant recall program tells rx ry rz gives rq , starting q finding prefered values x , z wrote program \( bbc basic \) crude , took around 5 seconds exhaustive search \( small amount intelligence \) , told best combination rq best rq want write one , store prefered values array , search solution space using three loops i'm sure could knock hour christopher christopher hicks paradise linear gaussian world cmh uk ac cam eng \( also reported taste hot sweaty \)
mlt blues infores com \( michael \) subject 'makedepend' problem organization information resources inc lines 46 hi , netters problem 'makedepend' n't know correctly process clause c preprocessor statements evaluates everything true matter example , makedepend chokes one x11 include files \( distributed sun \) namely h ! defined \( \) defined \( stdc \) include string h define index strchr define rindex else bsd ! stdc include strings h endif ! stdc 'makedepend' evaluates corresponding else statements tries open file strings h n't exist solaris2 also lot statements legacy code got built 'makedepend' net n't fix problem fairness noted man page \( sun 's distribution \) mentions problem bugs source cpp , berkeley c preprocessor , makedepend compiled way directives evaluate true regardless actual value may cause wrong include directives evaluated makedepend simply parser written expressions anybody come solution fix willing share us \? since often experience delays newsfeed please reply directly e mail address 'll post summary thanks advance michael information resources , inc e mail mlt blues infores com 200 fifth avenue voice \( 617 \) 890 1100 ext waltham , 02154 , usa fax \( 617 \) 890 4660
samuel paul rutgers edu \( kristina \) subject request faq organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 20 hi friend interested subscribing newsgroup unfortunatly usenet access someone could send faq info subscribe , 'd appreciative want send , get read newsgroup regularly though e mail please thank jody jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o' '94 e mail colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu fantasy , music , colors , animals lead society oppression
wild access digex net \( wildstrom \) subject standard enhanced question organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 27 nntp posting host access digex net ak333 cleveland freenet edu \( martin linsenbigler \) writes win 3 1 sometimes \? new dell 486dx2 66mhz 8 megs ram windows working great bus mouse mother board problem dell replaced mouse , gave newer mouse driver windows replaced motherboard prior problem windows would load every time would get logo either would go windows lock consistent every time much deleted thoughts comments sounds like memory conflict problem , cause truly weird symptoms like call dell tech support \( better , post account \) get memory range \( \) used video ram machine block windows using ranges statement 386enh section system ini probably include statement excluding range emm386 whatever memory manager use config sys dell installs windows machines ship , installation n't consist much copying files hard disk still work fact problem enhanced mode standard strongly suggests high memory conflict
nabil cae wisc edu \( nabil ayoub \) subject monophysites mike walker organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 83 article may 10 05 08 01 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes nabil ayoub writes final note , oriental orthodox eastren orthodox sign common statement christology , monophysitism condemned coptic orthodox church believe monophysitism sorry ! coptic church believe energy christ \? one two \( e human divine \) wills energies also , objection ot copts pope rome \( e coptic catholic church \) \? reject supreme jurisdiction st peter \( blessed st john mark , bishop alexandria translator \) predecessors \? infallibility \? things perhaps \? first set questions \( regarding energy christ \) quote relevant part statement signed eastern \( \) oriental \( non \) orthodox scholars years ago \( families orthodox churches \) 1 families agreed condemning heresy families confess logos , second person holy trinity , begotten father ages consubstantial , incarnate born virgin mary theotokos fully consubstantial us , perfect man soul , body mind \( nu upsilon zeta \) crucified , died , buried rose dead third day , ascended heavenly father , sits right hand father lord creation pentecost , coming holy spirit manifested church body look forward coming fullness glory , according scriptures 2 families condemn heresy crypto nestorianism cyrus agree sufficient merely say christ consubstantial father us , nature god nature man necessary affirm also logos , nature god , became nature man , incarnation fullness time 3 families agree hypostasis logos became composite divine nature natural energy , common father holy spirit , created human nature , assumed incarnation made , natural energy 4 families agree natures proper energies wills united naturally without confusion , without change , without division without separation , distinguished thought alone 5 families agree wills acts always one hypostasis logos incarnate guess adresses question adequately second set questions , afraid irrelevant discussion \( least point view \) monophysitism see relate topic discussing \( start endless orthodox rc debate plan engage \) brief answer questions , position coptic orthodox church regarding roman , jurisdiction , , etc exactly orthodox churches peace , nabil nabil ayoub engine research center dept mechanical engineering university wisconsin madison email ayoub wisc edu ' '
uxa cso uiuc edu \( steve stelter \) subject replace dog trust organization university illinois urbana lines 12 pepke dirac scri fsu edu \( eric pepke \) writes mammon trust hey , piece paper ! spend quickly god \( john carpenter 's live , \) steve lurking horror stelter uxa cso uiuc edu
rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( charlie preston \) subject car saftey important \? organization illinois state university lines 25 article 1993apr20 bnr ca tcorkum bnr ca \( trevor corkum \) writes recently thumbing 1993 lemon aid new car guide found car would given picture sentences later noting driver passenger virtually guaranteed killed front end collision highly recommended small car \( civic \) worst crash rating small cars listed many cases 'great' vehicles would n't survive accident , safety one important factors buying car \? imho best way reduce risk operating vehicle able avoid hazards , reason preferred vehicle motorcycle use four wheeler primary reasons keep dry , keep warm , carry cargo four wheeler much collision protection average motorcycle , enough form define safe \? one definition safe without risk dod oh , two places 're anywhere \? theatre
dleonard wixer bga com \( dale leonard \) subject trade se color mac \? \? \? organization real time communications lines 31 ok want get color mac n't care lc mac ii want go color machine 'd prefer trade present mac se system plus cash equipment color system right i'm full buy color system outright 's mac se system mac se 4 20 internal 800k drive 20 meg external external 800k drive imagewriter ii 4 color ribbon stuff go i'm willing include 9600 modems 2400 baud modem deal right keep mind 9600 modems less month old multitech modem sells 440 multitech ii \( 9600 data fax \) u robotics sportster \( 9600 data \) microcom qx 12k \( normally connect 2400 highest faster connected another microcom \) usr multitech brand new interested send e mail dleonard wixer bga com primary judy 's stamps \( misc topical stamps dogs dleonard wixer bga com cats baseball many many subjects secondary stamp information call tony leonard dleonard wixer cactus org \( 512 \) 837 business number ! ! !
nmt edu \( willie chang \) subject 's chime \? organization new mexico tech lines 13 happened classic ii startup , usual powerup tone , chimes \( kinda like \( 1st \) mi \( 1st \) sol \( 1st \) \( 2nd \) 1st c 1st e 1st g 2nd c music scale \) , hanged giving happy mac powerup asked ca n't remember answer 've tried find answer faqs ftp sites avail anyone tell unusual chimes mean \? spurious memory check error \? thanks willie
gw wmich edu subject pc tools 8 0 organization western michigan university lines 10 pc tools 8 0 original disk manual registration card included disk size 3 5 price 60 shipping martin gw wmich edu
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject get keys organization dsi uscrpac lines 44 article netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes \( alt security clipper added , keep informed issue \) david sternlight \( strnlght netcom com \) wrote proposal could modified get court order tap n't charge crime within , say , 90 days , buy new phone charge , found innocent , buy new phone \) yes , buy ticket time machine allow go back use phone new key instead phone whose key obtained \? unclear whether obtaining key time 0 also unlocks messages recorded \( whomever \) earlier times announcement silent betting seems key obtained \( authorities , divorce lawyers , mafia , fbi , lost stolen backup tapes , nsa , etc \) previous conversations unsecure \( session keys negotiated , knowing private key believed many commentators break security doubt details emerge \) n't matter assume obeying law , since wo n't court order tap calls prior date court order , thus wo n't available n't obeying law , entirely different discussion , least one 's worries david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject scsi ide bottom line originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 73 article 1993apr22 msc cornell edu , randy ellingson writes would choose , \? ! ide box ide scsi unix box ide box 'cos hard disk , scsi unix box 'cos scsi hard disk , cd rom tape bought scsi makes adding many devices easier price one irq dma three different types device connected faster drives also available scsi dec realy average seek time e finds data 25 faster 12ms toshiba drive like lots people , 'd really like increase data transfer rate hard drive right 15ms 210mb ide drive \( seagate \) , standard ide controller card isa 486 50 n't think scsi increase data transfer much isa bus \( i'm currently thinking adding another hd , 300mb 500mb range i'm thinking hard buying scsi drive \( scsi future benefit \) believe i'm getting something like 890kb sec transfer right \( according nu \) 890kb pretty good would number compare bought state art scsi card isa pc , state art scsi hard drive \( best system could hope \) \? many state art scsi disks use mechanicals many state art ide drives interface differ look drive example ! obviously money factors choice well , would want use isa system \? much would cost \? use adaptec 1542b unix box name ide cards along lines , kind transfer rate could see ide hd 's buy top line ide caching controller 200mb , 15ms hd \? much would cost \? caching controller ! \? give smartdrive \( dos \) \? extra lower memory ! 's properly configured main memory cache produce better results caching controller ! unix reads reads data main memory cache 8 5mb ! 's faster standards isa bus ever sustain ! thanks comments randy guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
organization penn state labs x subliminal message share enjoy ! psuvm psu edu subject achieve multi io card jumpers needed lines 12 need jumper settings achieve io card usually found xt 's affecting video card forcing machine 40 col mode help \? hath spoken small obscure world somewhere middle nowhere particular nowhere , , could ever found , since protected vast field six men galaxy key raining 1
wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) distribution usa organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 8 article buck granite buck granite ma30 bull com \( ken buck \) writes \( unless live area gets frequent damaging hail storms \) , week march may sometimes fall \)
subject 's chime \? husc8 harvard edu \( jonathan \) distribution usa organization harvard arts sciences computer services , cambridge , nntp posting host husc8 harvard edu reply ejhupper rs6000 cmp ilstu edu 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 21 45 38 gmt lines 27 ejhupper rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( eric huppertz \) writes b91926 fnclub fnal gov \( david sachs \) writes chimes indicate hardware failure type system startup one thing cause chimes cable become bit loose next time power computer , check cables tight remember simple program would play chimes clicked respective buttons anyone know \? circa 1988 , think quick search index mac archive umich edu shows following available anonymous ftp site mac util developer hqx 9 7 24 90 0 chord hear push start mac ii means i'm 's passed 's internal test utility explains various sounds stand \( e various stages ram testing \) jonathan mac archive umich edu
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject oh make mind ! ! \( xv problems \) lines 220 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes article 1993apr29 nessie mcc ac uk c c lilley mcc ac uk writes article avt cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes wrote something making color modifications quickly 8bit quantized images saving image file process make modifications 24bit image makes sense , main use xv viewing images many changes image , keep modifications buffer making operations 24bit image , simplify operation list unnecessary operations think saying 24 bit image 8 bits many colours mapped onto single palette colour colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways want apply modifications back 24 bit file , find colours mapped one palette colour suppose n't know discussed discussed error \( \) xv 2 21 shows images 8bit , suggestion works perfectly look consistent first post something seems suggest see xv 8 bit program sort error post bug , meant like post say bug , never said , misunderstood etc saying discussed error \( \) xv 2 21 shows images 8bit , would make mind claiming would make discussion lot easier far seen colormap editing window xv , must colormap anyway problems present exist anyway , n't tried solve , would make problems programs first place eh \? sorry , n't understand saying aware english native language tried hard fathom meaning , paragraph defeats gamma color corrections easily done 24bit image presented 's need make tricks 8bit quantized image back 24 bit image yes originally said , global changes easily possible statement contradicts said earlier wrote something making color modifications quickly 8bit quantized images saving image file process make modifications 24bit image would suggest colour editing 24 bit file \? would group 'related' colours edit together \? global changes could done unless software different much complicated ok , 're writing situation user want edit images 24bit user want edit individual colors questions , way , jumps discussion bit n't think actually talking loading 24 bit image xv \( \) , manipulating colours colour editor , applying changes 24 bit file exit xv xv lets edit individual colours sudden jumping topic \? solution n't work , 's colormap real 24bit image yes aware colourmap 24 bit file ! ! see , user see 24bit image going back 8bit silly understand statement supposed mean changing individual colors 8bit quantized rasterized image changing individual colors colormap useless cases image quantized rasterized small change may make serious errors anywhere image \? \? \? saying \? \? \? xv allows feature , n't recommend use mentioned type images ah ! see problem ! first want extend xv allow editing 8 bit 24 bit images point problems saying problem , personally , happen use parts program cause problem ! ! moreover , xv paint program make global changes sure saying certainly one make local changes full 24bit xv , changing individual colors sounds like paint program job person 8bit screen , 's need tricks get original 24bit image modified user n't see full 24bit image , 's need make approximations possible modify individual colors individual pixels pixel groups \( image rasterized \) select color , could cursor window shows true color image cursor window area selecting individual color possible yes one possible approach would find program took approach clumsy , however ok , n't thought much 24bit painting programs , never seen good view planned make mention 24bit painting program 8bit screen well agree thought much n't seem consistent point make contradict one post next ok , days perhaps step back think one yes \( \? \) wrong xv \? saved 8bit quantized rasterized images 24bit jpegs jpeg designed said last post , jpeg compression algorithm way saving disk space trading quality compression fail see problem proposed workable alternatives also , human expect 24bit saved 24bit image speak person met spoken , 24 bit image 8 bits , expects process somehow reverse file saved keeping made 8 bit image palette perhaps singular \? say , person would like crop part image save , expected image still look , next time import 24 bit image xv look carefully main control panel tells many colours allocated 8 bit image xv makes abundantly clear editing original 24 bit file person claims confusing , xv designed without thinking human interface human expect program work design error design error bug \? \) read lips xv program viewing modifying 8 bit images lets import images shows , would say , good deal thought human interface everyone else seems use happily purpose designed makes false claims heard xv designed first 8bit images files , good idea take full 24bit images without making major change original design would come solid , logical , well argued lucid description precisely proposed extensions would work , feel free post far , done , even screen images 8bit , processed images saved images could 24bit easily , instead 8bit argh ! ! , comment like ok , go ahead code easy alternatively , look terms 'non reversible anybody make note yes , may well make lift means lift goes means lift goes , put note design solution manuals however , even manuals tells correct situation , n't solve problem \( americans lift example \) think bit actually saying , got lift \( elevator , states \) \) mistakenly pressed button go everyone else problem trying sue manufacturer well , text may bit hard reading , bet hopefully read mostly leaving aside language issue however , thinking \( admit \) language go think chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
distribution world tony sullivan mcontent apana org au organization maccontent bbs , , victoria , australia return receipt tony sullivan mcontent apana org au subject deskwriter drivers 3 1 install \? lines 16 someone tell files come dw 3 1 go purpose \? left , instance , n't want background printing \? far remember , need get deskwriter printing using 3 1 driver drag driver \( either serial appletalk depending needs \) system folder n't need fonts anything else want straight forward , bare bones , basic printing n't anything else installed still print deskwriter using sys7 1 hp driver 3 1 tony views expressed posting individual author bbs number \( 613 \) 848 1346 maccontent victoria first iconic bbs !
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject uva organization university california , irvine lines 26 nntp posting host orion oac uci edu article 1993apr28 717 vms huji ac il backon vms huji ac il writes article 1993apr27 virginia edu , ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools study importantly learn lot overall uva drug use actually lower average college u thomas jefferson sole author virginia statute religious freedom \( basis first ten amendments \) , though given full credit righting bill rights someone picked right andi b medical school \? like fellow austrian dr mengele \? \? josh oh come , josh ! tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject kubota vs e organization center instructional research computing activities lines 70 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu people asking information kubota graphics workstations , info kenai denali vs e freedom text denali vs e freedom done h brown associates denali bears strong resemblance evans freedom graphics subsystem several aspects high level design products use parallel array processors geometric computations pixel router connect front end second array pixel processors result , denali overlap significantly performance functionality design teams also appear similar philosophies respect , , market penetration remain , however , several important differences kpc e products evans sutherland designed freedom high end developer 's dream system plenty performance potential flexibility favor , freedom configurations two sixteen floating point units , border range starts ends higher price performance levels denali freedom systems include large , fixed number pixel processors support broader variety color functions freedom design treats entire image memory general purpose memory , allowing developers allocate flexible basis number special purpose applications finally , e provided freedom flexible video integration features multimedia simulation applications note kpc working auxiliary board ntsc pal output require external video e programmable output features , however , remain much flexible kpc design team , contrast , made denali end user 's system entry version better performance range flexibility low end freedom configurations , come realistic mainstream price points denali need many modules uses deeper scan conversion pipeline support one , resulting better cost performance characteristics although products provide strong support 3d , imaging , volume rendering , kpc recognized users want even mix capabilities denali 's configuration flexibility allows customers effect purchase geometric pixel processing capabilities separately , upgrade separately needed companies implemented hardware texture mapping workstation price levels way attack sgi 's expensive systems products provide capability kpc supports point sampling interpolation textures hardware , provides software support higher tri linear interpolated method balance , however , denali overall capabilities e applications aside much affordable , kpc solutions deliver parallelism texture processing screen memory general graphics data storage implementing texture mapping transformation modules , e customers move quickly higher price levels obtain better performance kubota avoids problem linking frame buffer modules , providing lower cost , scalable solution hope helps , brian ps reprinted without permission full text , please contact kubota 408 727 8100
timbol netcom com \( mike timbol \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 25 article news claremont edu jarthur claremont edu \( ted \) writes article netcom com timbol netcom com \( mike timbol \) writes anyway , give word , without naming sources , ibm paid companies write applications os 2 satisfied \? really query mean paid \? implying helped offset development costs , paid entire cost producing product mean paid companies developed applications \( e 'll give x million dollars port application os 2 \) suppose company question could use x million dollars whatever want would like post figures \? \( ms well , suppose \) ted , 'd rather first , n't exact figures , n't want disclose know however , say jim francis microsoft posted figure 26 million \( payment ibm borland \) 's somewhere range 've heard mike
jin spdcc com \( jerry \) subject pd code crypt \( 1 \) like encryption organization guest stephen dyer consulting distribution usa lines 9 looking public domain \( exportable \) code encryption nothing elaborate , something satisfy marketing need \) oh yes , unix platform jerry guest user arpa jin ursa major spdcc com uucp ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! jin
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 32 article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes i'm position say , since know nothing situation , estimation , qualify head ass bob , never accused head ass ! takes quite time dealing someone accusing head ass accusing original poster \( benedikt , believe \) impaired insult , gregg resorts lies article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes could maybe flesh bit \? miss full 's content virtue atheism \? may difficulty seeing light head ass suggest making sure case posting 's original answer say head necessarily ass , would meaningless pointless benedikt
csulo csv warwick ac uk \( mr j brown \) subject floopy drives update ! organization computing services , university warwick , uk lines 27 nntp posting host clover csv warwick ac uk article ms uky edu msunde01 mik uky edu writes hopefully sort bad 9 quid \( normally pardon ignorance foreign currency exchange rates , quid , relate british pound \( whatever 's called \) american dollars \? \? \? \) k sorry used correct terminology 1 quid 1 1 54 approx u dollars terry pratchett book good contains adequate explanation rather strange uk money system , past present americans , tibetans , alien species \) michael brown csulo csv warwick ac uk mjb dcs warwick ac uk lost interest \? \? 's bad 've lost apathy !
colinm max carleton ca \( colin mcfadyen \) subject maxtor 2190 info needed \( unix pc software sale \) organization carleton university lines 36 1993apr22 com dnichols com \( nichols \) writes article cup portal com thad cup portal com \( thad p floryan \) writes article colinm cunews colinm max carleton ca \( colin mcfadyen \) writes anyone know jumpers set maxtor 2190 \? \? 2190 came vs2000 would like use pc useful info maxtor drive deleted since 3b1 normally one hd , would jumper c1 select first \( possible \) drive address 2190 second drive 3b1 , jumper 2c however , thad , note said would like use , also note strange cross posting \( probably \) , sure exactly sort machine intends mount pc \( clone \) , 2c jumper would correct choice 've left cross posting effect , since i'm sure newsgroup would really reading \) sorry confusion may created disk come vs2000 would like use ibm pc clone reason posted comp sys 3b1 saw drive \( \) mentioned notice asked info n't receive replies thanks help colin
huebner informatik uni stuttgart de \( ralf huebner \) subject driver wanted reply huebner informatik uni stuttgart de organization , university stuttgart , germany lines 19 hello , i'm looking driver ibm 2 color ink jet printer pointers welcome thanks advance ralf huebner informatik uni stuttgart de
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject abc coverage organization hms lines 28 distribution usa nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article bu edu icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) writes loved abc coverage production excellent appearance antonio , n't alone abc ratings good hear abc 's telecast fifth watched sporting event weekend national rating came respectable 3 3 top 29 nielsen markets 2 9 boston , game scored lower 2 4 local sports teams quite frankly , expected abc 's ratings 2 0 i'm happy proven wrong ! well , well sometimes pays clicking away cable tv remote control \) happen hockey fan , could stumble upon playoff hockey game espn picked detroit toronto game monday night night game mlb rained chicago give espn credit switching detroit 's fox 50 coverage bill clement pittsburgh 's tv station \( wate \? \) intermission analysis maybe , espn people night abc ratings sunday 's telecast thought good idea feature norris division rather monster truck good move , espn ! ppv mark
garry alice att com \( garry \) subject effectiveness 44 calibre article alice reply garry alice uucp \( \) distribution world organization , bell labs lines 56 csa3 lbl gov \( ad absurdum per \) writes psc sei cmu edu \( peter \) rec martial arts i'm sure weapons developed society , however , condone possession use actually , joe , wrote peter responding article i'm actually rather confused post suppose n't make clear , cause seem gotten exactly opposite impression intended suppose authorities might better term society carry use firearm many parts country \( certainly parts live \) , expect , least , awful lot explaining also appears trend society large actively opposes many see right defend parts society , handguns banned restricted practically unavailable law abiding citizen self defense outside home funny , though , criminals places continue supply guns using imho , n't need either political philosopher crime victim realize 's flaw gun logic agreed 're welcome ho , , first amendment important second , please n't let obvious good intentions generalities something big diverse us society intention comment existence suitable weapons self defense n't mean 'll escape whole shitload trouble forced use naive hope making gun possession crime give pause someone would criminal anyway made statements , naive hope outlook wishing peace defend others' thoughts kindly , 's want opportunity leave peace , means defend possible think agree issue guess position n't survive transition ascii garry slow winter day bell labs night like forever garry alice att com sink like stone att ! alice ! garry float like feather
jake rambler eng sun com \( jason cockroft \) subject bowman needs credit organization sun microsystems , inc lines 19 distribution world reply jake rambler eng sun com nntp posting host rambler eng sun com however , bowman really modern coach , patrick 's solution run team game days , delegate day day assistants shrewd managerial decision patrick 's part would argue gerald , bowman first modern coach bowman 's canadiens first nhl team weight room 70s first coach seen , press spreading false game plan rumours \( important games listen pre game interview bowman compare ice ! \) agree bowman master remember last year sc benched jagr set free ot jagr winning goal thought trademark bowman also sign modern coach ! left asking modern coach bowman \? jake
stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) subject moon image weather sat image organization unocal corporation lines 14 article usenet ucs indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu \( george wm turner \) writes image moon caught weather satellite images earth appears ir visual images earth gif images loaded vmd cso uiuc edu named gif cv043015 gif ir visual images respectively pretty cool pictures ir 's saturated visual image details moon viewable near , see sun ocean also solar see shadow sun move across clouds
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 42 nntp posting host apple com punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes evidence working take look standings 's real easy get focussed forget giants happen first place 's working , n't screw changing things , think ought different folks like argue theoretical details prefer watch teams win giants slip third , talk arrange batting order , think 's stupid focus 's wrong , simple fact working p mailing list maintainer think clark best first baseman majors matt williams better power hitter ballplayer \? majors \? n't follow al , wo n't comment majors nl , choice 1b league team , 'd clark , 'd hit third \( fantasy team grace murray , 've never able get clark 'd take three without hesitation real life , think clark \) williams even close much prefer defense , n't , matt good , solid swing real punch drops 230 , cleanup , according latest baseball weekly , 's hitting 275 , last week , hitting 296 's exactly chopped liver mostly , though , giants winning , frankly , long continues , 's rather silly second guess strategy evidently , folks would rather right first chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
mzhao magnus acs ohio state edu \( min zhao \) subject cheap harddisks ibm pc xt nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 16 original ibm 10mb harddisks sale actually seagate 's st412 , mfm , full height , ibm logo black face plate disk checked formatted dos 5 0 doubled 20mb dblspace stacker desire original ibm foam fitted anti static bags sure ever used , drive sent good working order 30 plus shipping cost , \( 5 \) , one old ibm xt pcs , ! 's cheaper floppy drive !
giant wam umd edu \( \) subject yankee thoughts \( velarde , etc \) nntp posting host wam umd edu organization workstations maryland , university maryland , college park lines 54 article netnews upenn edu kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) writes real long good post yankee trades omitted disagree one point velarde yes , maybe yanks let develop , rode columbus shuttle way many times probably fault george , matter usefulness done , able develop good player deep career \( least n't think \) fielding horrendous 3rd \( maybe 'd good short \? \) , ca n't curve , think trips new york columbus back point n't care get rid , say sooner better , yanks velarde keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! velarde n't columbus , recall , three years granted , n't full time player play 've always thought good bat might playing full time , n't around think 's new york ever since 34 hits 100 ab back 1989 , 90 , believe n't think gold glove calibre , n't boot around either think velarde given chance , could become extremely productive n't stats back , n't know defense would cost games , think could help year 3 hr already goes jim big mouth , get job done concentrates think situation believes potential super star , gets pissed playing think might realized something marlins rockies n't select yanks need worry bullpen right wickman militello bullpen \? ouch i'm praying bp return last year 's form chris i'm listening giant wam umd edu anything guitar god go yankees ! ! huff plays
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject comics jeff 's strange comics dozens new titles ! organization university florida , gainesville lines 279 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu tuesday april 27 , 1993 update latest updated list strange bizzare odd independent comics sale always , cover price , actually look guide see much worth week 's special \( spoof comics \) \( spoof comics \) favorite image comics comics 5 00 includes shipping a1 6 \( featuring tank girl \) 10 \( adventure series \) adventures luther 2 , 7 apocalypse 1 alias alien nation 2 2 animal man 35 38 , 41 48 , trade paperback \( issues 1 9 \) anything monday 1 apache dick 1 3 ape nation 1 immortal 1 atlantis chronicles 1 avengers 263 , 272 , 300 , 306 , 324 , 329 , annual 15 , 18 , 19 avengers west coast 67 back future \( cartoon \) 1 biker 4 batman shadow bat \( \) batman vs predator 1 batman year one bats , cats 1 beer 2 bizarre 3 zone 1 book 1 3 black scorpion 1 publishing flip book 1 blood sword dynasty 28 bob 's favorite comics 1 \( caliber \) 1 boris bear 1 boris bear 1 \( teenage radioactive black belt \) big numbers 1 1 , 2 , 3 1 butt 1 dinosaurs 1 cage 1 quick 1 cosmic odyssey crossroads 1 , 5 cyberpunk 1 dark horse presents 1 , 5 , 25 , 37 , 40 , 43 desert storm send hussein hell ! 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mcimail com \( collective \) subject near miss asteroids x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 11 chance answered request neo asteroids last two days please send directly mistake deleted instead read space request messages thanks sorry harry g science technology editor access news network mcimail com
ahmed shakil cs yale edu \( shakil waiz ahmed \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 38 distribution world nntp posting host curie cs yale edu article 1sueslinna6g minerva cis yale edu , jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims yeah ! 's ! \) 've really outdone time nick n't forget davidian muslims \) islam race 's religion white , black , fijian alaskan guess n't absorb much malcolm x interest circulating see , whole point islam stresses equality amongst peoples , realize difficult comprehend given staunch beliefs serbian ethnic cleansing , give try , 's really difficult war religious war , ethnic war 's right , 's disneyland war setup tv cameras also people believe man never landed moon , whole apollo story done tv studios civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements terms secession \? , course , joking , right nick \? nobody chose fight bosnia croatia internationally recognized nations serbs attacked started well documented genocide makes outside aggressor 's simple genocide , classical example ethnic cleansing question civil war shakil
lmcmasc noah ericsson se \( mauro \) subject bruins reply lmcmasc noah ericsson se organization ericsson communication inc lines 1 nntp posting host lmc ericsson se x disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson could anyone post game summary sabres bruins game
mizar usc edu \( michael \) subject info j snow organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host mizar usc edu i'm sure heard start rookie j snow california angeles fact father star receiver l rams radio personality los angeles j came yankees organization n't know much j anyone info background young please post way , following exploits hit four home runs three days two last night also delivered winning hit couple times angeles young season thanks michael usc
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject janet babies organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 22 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) says evidently janet 's concern babies slapped koresh made give go ahead ram n gas tactics \( larry king live telling sickening every word janet reno 's mouth little children , etc sounded like clinton talking made claims children beaten , etc , despite pronouncements social workers none children left compound abused real crime larry king , censored show one fucking question reno 's possible error two calls made good decision , n't take rocket scientist figure people going upset nope real questions
jagrant emr1 emr ca \( john grant \) subject \( startrek \) memory ! organization energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 17 article 1993may18 informix com jerry informix com writes startrek version running nearly always reports space memory , across top screen set correctly \( 've got 16m ram \) \? jerry 're right , n't appear working correctly really say space last frontier across top \) \) \) john grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey canada , ottawa
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject abyss breathing fluids organization texas instruments inc distribution usa lines 18 1993apr29 cc ic ac uk atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) writes forever war , one favorite books , passage devoted breathing fluids idea protect people high accelerations required interstellar travel passengers dry cleaning fluid saturated oxygen plenty imaginative ideas book would certainly recommend \( hugo nebula awards \) definitely read conjunction heinlein 's trooper two books radically different viewpoints basic premises 've even heard tell english classes built around insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
reg triumf ca \( , peter \) subject morphing organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host reg triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article news duke edu , seth acpub duke edu \( seth wandersman \) writes keywords looking morphing programs dec 's pc 's looked program called dmorph using archie could find found call grayscale images anyone know look \? try searching dmorf , think 's located wuarchive wustl edu mirror directory 've used , pretty good ! pete email reg triumf ca
bjgrier bnr ca \( brian grier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host 131 253 206 80 organization bell northern research lines 34 lots stuff deleted felt like ms bashing definitely lost humor value think people posting forgetting users ms products even know internet , unix unfriendly place bizzare abreviations replace rather comfortable abreviations know abreviations subtle differences different vendors pc users tend customize windowing setup , much command line computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception face unix come decent gui available variations unix catch mainstream computer users net mainstream computer users brian disclaimer opinions expressed mine bnr brian , \( st tt user developer \) wanted computer play games bell northern research 'd buy amiga however research triangle park , nc real work please get lost !
singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) subject opel owners \? reply singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) distribution rec autos organization mit lincoln laboratory lines 56 article 1993apr20 convex com , maynard convex com \( mark maynard \) writes newsgroups rec autos path ! mit edu ! xn mit edu ! ames ! agate ! howland reston ans net ! bogus sura net ! news feed 1 peachnet edu ! gatech ! ! ! tamsun tamu edu ! news utdallas edu ! convex ! convex ! maynard maynard convex com \( mark maynard \) subject opel owners \? message id 1993apr20 convex com sender mark maynard nntp posting host trojan convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa references gibbonsa sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu distribution rec autos date tue , 20 apr 93 19 17 48 gmt 5 00 x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 22 article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking gibbonsa sfu ca would manta , would \? \? \? sold buick dealers mid '70 's price leader \? \? \? \? chintan amin sounds like opel gt neat cars , fun drive sold buick 196 \? 1973 \( remember correctly \) believe '72 engine mods made parts interchangeable older models parts thus much harder come later models parts general difficult find one time jc whitney carried stuff including brand new \( \) long block either gt ghia \( hmm spelling looks hosed \) next project mark 1972 , lowered engine compression would run regular gas \( mention addition emission controls \) '72 also added pop rear quarter windows alot parts available gt c r small cars ct used bill 's opel parts matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory \( 617 \) 981 244 wood street singer mit edu lexington , 02173
rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) subject boston c c reply rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) organization motorola paging systems group lines 263 note following article submitted behalf someone \( frank daniels \) difficulty posting r c , email replies daniels math ufl edu unable post bitnet groups capsule history movement churches christ \( e crossroads boston \) could trace movement back far 1800 , indeed roots go back far , really influences movement , actual movement , per se start c 1920 day , churches churches nearly every area \( due segregation \) modern developing predominantly phenomenon , great fanaticism , emphasis emotional experiences , belief personal guidance holy spirit many protestant churches growing became known conservative fundamentalism 1940s , evangelical movement full swing , many groups becoming part civil rights movement grew stronger \( 1950 's 1960 's \) , many church groups began influenced churches going spread started liberal groups spread conservative ones late '60 's 1969 , even catholic church displaying evidence influence groups still evident today churches christ \( \) conservative protestant group influence outside began reach cofc c 1965 , generally appreciated conservative groups strongly resistant change , new movement different cofc status quo magazines put time cofc folks tell story unfolds new ideas came cofc big push reach college students , young adults , teens called campus ism movement emotions , generally highly regarded cofc large , played important role new movement places , people began speak tongues \( pentecostal predecessors \) met extreme criticism within churches christ places , people fired jobs speaking tongues advocating holy spirit movement , another name new branch term underground church christ also came use people hide differences \( might \) several congregations , however , whose receptive new ideas \( least part tongues speaking never really caught \) one 14th street church christ gainesville , fl campus ministry already regarded important 14th street , new ideas seemed helpful tools evangelism also seemed put vitality church , many felt lacking october 1967 , 14th street congregation hired chuck lucas campus minister 1970 , would move congregation 's \( lead \) minister late 60 's early 70 's , congregation worked many groups held bible discussions daytona beach spring break organized talks university florida campus also worked uf sports people 1972 , congregation ordered larger building constructed finished , group moved changed name \( longer appropriate \) became crossroads church christ , name would become legendary time , crossroads basically cofc whose programs fully aligned new movement n't start , continued responsible wound going 1975 , none churches christ area felt could cooperate crossroads , due recognized doctrinal problems crossroads crossroads begun heavily emphasize , later require attendance church functions seen good thing member least one close relationship , person would share problems , pray , get help concept called prayer partners , later became partners also later became mandatory leadership assigning prayer partners people book called master plan evangelism strong influence chuck lucas \( group \) believed every person 's duty life purpose carry great commission crossroads growing number , numbers became important \( would say important \) person evangelistic spiritual evangelism meant inviting people crossroads events lot converted , spiritual sermons bought groceries , bag boy ought receive invitations services everyone job ought receive invitations since people needed jesus , aggressive n't take 'no' answer evangelize enough , came called lazy end decade , prayer partner system integrated structure elders ministers top \( like big pyramid \) group leaders , bible study leaders , members everyone came someone placed time , 1978 1980 , bad press crossroads began circulate problem rape university florida campus tremendous , crossroads considered bigger immediate problem many complaints congregation evangelistic tactics crossroads considering churches christ dead churches , aggravated aggressively recruiting church groups \( denominations \) , aggravated time , crossroads grown numerically point \( 1100 \) believe would soon need new building , also sending planting create new church existing church teams cities time , crossroads movement underway group sent 30 member lexington church christ boston , team headed kip mckean , converted fraternity crossroads \( gainesville \) kip held still stronger view church authority , believed heavily vested evangelist \( \) , much elders fired 1977 congregation working elders found numerous things wrong theology , including practice came called one one christianity called critics first year , half 30 people felt want part new congregation left others began coming new boston church christ ah , i'm ahead crossroads , heavy handed system begun take toll members many said felt working hard , achieving results important numbers dropping 1978 , crossroads membership declined steadily leadership began tighten reigns congregation , seen largely unproductive fruit passages nt interpreted referring new converts bearing fruit , said john 15 , would cast fire ! boston still teaches love neighbor , 'll save soul \( invite church convert \) 're , n't love neighbor n't love , 're danger logical arguments continue vein 1985 , chuck lucas fired job minister , due recurring sins life struggles never revealed congregation large , although many people outside congregation heard , little contact \( friendship level \) crossroads members outside contact , focus converting bring bible study chuck 's replacement joe woods , fully supportive boston system boston grew number , began offer sessions ministers joe went boston trained returned cross roads ready emphasize total commitment church boston kip mckean emphasizing eventually , fall 1987 , elders crossroads \( 2 number dick whitehead bill \) made decision boston demanding churches movement come direction church boston elders refused , citing belief church autonomous \( something true non boston churches christ \) perhaps also degree offense done , since crossroads longer rest movement group numbered 800 , boston larger \( membership \) churches christ generally teach baptism necessary element salvation crossroads , taught called baptism understand commitment involved could baptized boston , took step time became unproductive , spirituality suspect people would begin ask really understood getting anyone said 'no' baptism deemed invalid n't counted cost properly still baptized others called , crossroads n't approve practice crossroads announced would follow boston , many members left crossroads went movement related ministries , called ministries either \( \) dead also used nickname movement god summer 1988 , crossroads withdrawn movement stood alone allies mainstream churches christ , none movement boston , however , continued chart course direction following sent reconstruction teams many cities , usually meant split church stopped acknowledging churches christ christians began call remnant remnant jews ot saved god felt remnant today represents christians sometimes would simply call movement church usually took name city name , implying churches christ boston recognize existence many formally forbidden boston ministries recruiting due number complaints cases , documented boston ministries lied university officials order continue access campus resistance experience termed , true christians expected experience really christian 're persecuted \? numbers boston peaked c 3000 1989 since , fought remain steady heard tape kip mckean shouting leaders failing fulfill great commission \( life 's purpose \) god commanded christianity highly centered commands obedience crossroads called cult boston recognized cult awareness network national international groups cult , formal definition , techniques employ term cult usually sect practice techniques techniques employ recognized many techniques destructive , also used groups robert jay , margaret singer , many others written topic techniques include guilt motivation , emotional manipulation , loaded language , aura sacred science \( sort element seen everyday events \) , others particular axe grind movement friends still part movement never out' anyone movement disagree many things teach recognize psychological damage done involved system hold loyalty mainstream churches christ defend mistakes either want point , though , unlike many systems ways similar , leadership boston movement much victims system members leader enjoys manipulating people leaders believe teach , feel accountable \( spiritual welfare \) members members evangelize expectations , example , leaders feel personally responsible well leaders money power want evangelize world lifetime said much , much say many examples could give quotes sources \( including boston bulletins \) could include long already may post desire frank answer fool according folly , lest thou also like unto answer fool according folly , lest wise conceit \( proverbs 26 4 5 \) believe , questions boston church christ among commonly asked order avoid r c dealing continuous basis , allow discussion periodically 've got 150k faq file \( sides , way \) gives enough addition information history seems worth posting adding faq clh
mechalas gn ecn purdue edu \( john p mechalas \) subject krillean photography organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 22 article lli fnnews fnal gov dh fnal gov \( \) writes poor person 's kirlian photography \( try home \) 1 hold hand cold window 2 look closely stunning corona effects around fingertips 3 remove hand \( window \) observe image 4 invent crackpot theory explain effect advanced kirlian photography \( try home , \) 1 get camera 2 subject face back sun 3 take photo 4 observe glow behind image photo 5 invent crackpot theory explain effect john mechalas i'm actor , mechalas gn ecn purdue edu play one tv aero engineering , purdue university include disclaimer h
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject thoughts organization distribution na lines 28 article kip netcom com , madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) writes healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes tammy see , maddi , trimmed ! healy well , 're going practice , 're getting hang soon 're going give new nickname try size tammy lucky seven healy tammy pass healy tammy r us healy tammy learning healy r us thing trademarked n't know charles lazarus dead alive , 'd careful , name like lazarus , might rise start lawsuit dean kaflowitz \( knew architect , swear , employed design signs toys r us kids r us stores signs things stick store big pole seen highway job hours school studying architect tell move pole ten feet closer highway \)
ipi uni hannover de \( xu \) subject help wanted display stereo images gt accelerator reply ipi uni hannover de organization ipi , university hannover lines 18 hi , friends , sparc workstation gt accelerator want use display stereo images accelerator double buffers access buffers switch \? functions \? functions xgl , phigs , xlib xlib extension \? help highly appreciated xu uni hannover 10 5 93
dhhalden \( thomas \) subject challenge microsoft supporters lines 43 nntp posting host organization ostfold college article news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes kdb sunbar mc duke edu mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) subject challenge microsoft supporters date 30 apr 93 14 58 54 gmt microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham , nc 27710 invented make money others ideas made money n't air wrong time admit damn smart guy many make money almost useless products useless even look time dos written already could choose one marketing guy world , think would choose 's good almost everyone hates , still use stuff ' i'm perfect , i'm perfect '
cs ulowell edu \( shi \) subject without justice n't last last opportunity peace organization umass lowell computer science lines 63 article 1993apr30 nuscc nus sg nusunix1 nus sg \( ram \) writes peace talks resume middle east , would humbly like make personal observations prospects success failure 's stake present talks suspended 4 months israeli expulsion 400 palestinians alleged links extremist islamic organisation hamas future talks balance guaranteed concessions israel parties back negotiating table , stakes see indeed high future stability region perhaps world balance talks followed goodwill gesture israel involving return 30 exiled palestinians jordan occupied territories , however palestinians expelled december group constituted intellectuals professionals exiled '67 war political stand regarded dangerous choice arabs , support peace talks , illustrates dilemma faced israel arch enemies , ie plo backers seem willing talk peace new wave islamic sweeping middle east seen rise even foe banner hamas israel continues refuse talk plo , labelling terrorist organisation , window opportunity peace narrowing day present talks allowed without agreement long term lasting peace taken account interest involved , chances peace indeed plo , decision talks , reputation success talks longer talks continue , started 1 half years ago , without tangible progress , plo support territories urgently needed dramatic gesture , worked israel us approval could spur peace process force arabs palestinians vague promises interim government return territories evidently little late good might ask must israelis arabs make first substantive moves answer must lie support best talks receive among mass arab people fact israel holds important cards , namely land land peace agreement reached , real soon , chances comprehensive peace treaty good arabs , , recognise israel 's right exist inside secure borders , isreal would turn recognise legitimate right palestinians self statehood peace guarantee air tight treaties , region hope dwell economic social well population , rather prepare next war ram alternative peace department civil engineering war , annihilation national university singapore sg
paul com subject birthday attack \? distribution world organization technologies lines 7 recently saw message \( posted bob silverman , think \) referred birthday attack cryptosystem i'm looking references , explanations , type attack thanks , paul
jek cu nih gov subject crowd pilate lines 24 post 29 april \( \? \) , considering disasters instances judgements god history , andy byler spoke desire jerusalem mob crucified lord blood upon us vera noyes replied \( 02 may \) , comment fear heavily flamed invite \( interested parties well \) read comments verse scripture obtain , send message get choosing listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inre asu edu putting briefly , think significance demands jerusalem crowd usually greatly misunderstood , christian anti christian readers , james kiefer send email address , contents message single line containing get command subject line apparently ignored , least asuvm clh
rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) subject law order dod keywords dod nntp posting host cunixf cc columbia edu reply rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) organization columbia university distribution usa lines 12 anyone catch tv show law order last night \( least nyc \) \? law enforcement people , needed catch member dod \( department doom \) inflicting computer virus hospital 's mainframe ended killing two people wrong amounts medication given anyhow , department doom list \? rob castro email rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu live today 1983 kz550ltd phone \( 212 \) 854 7617 today live ! dod nyc 1 new york , new york , usa rc \( tm \)
vax cns muskingum edu \( jimmy buddenberg \) subject resume lines 8 i'm revise resume wondering put fact i'm christian give input think jimmy buddenberg \( vax cns muskingum edu \) student systems analyst muskingum college
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject bosox go smoke ii \( seattle 7 0 \) nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 10 dietz parody data io com \( kent dietz \) writes oh , yea , chris bosio pitched hitter one minimum , two ever hitters mariner history \? john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject thoughts christians organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 21 article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) wrote article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes know ca n't get physical problems passive christianity , unlike smoking 's hard avoid christianity today , anyway ignore 'em right keith , err , kent mean , n't see smiley \? ouch guess n't sorry comment fire cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
saint mitchell hac com \( kathy saint \) subject callback parameter problem x11r5 upgrade organization hughes aircraft company lines 24 've recently upgraded x11 r5 running problems applications use motif 1 1 appears pointer widget passed callback function \( e , w \( w , client , call \) \) nil client call pointers okay instances , bogus instances running sunos 4 1 2 sun 4 compiling x11r5 23 patches \( flag set \) , recompiled motif recompiled application skip step leave something \? flag used \? left motif alone \? answers suggestions would greatly appreciated thanks kathy kathy saint 's witch ! ! 's witch ! ! i'm dead yet tell 's witch \? looks like one ! ! saint mitchell hac com python holy grail
sdcc13 ucsd edu \( captain \) subject new study gay percentage organization university california , san diego lines 55 distribution world nntp posting host sdcc13 ucsd edu article murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article c5k5lc cyf murdoch acc virginia edu , lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual politicians plenty scared one week 1 90 2 \) interesting see reaction 2 5million queers gather washington dc 6million us event unprecidented history many people marching n't homosexuals , members leftist agenda i'm sure non queers , vast majority queer find interesting say 2 5 million queers march washington largest figure 've seen press 1 million know liberal press numbers \) another thing , 1 250 million 2 5 million 6 maybe 's got 2 5 million number also , number cited actual report 1 5 would 3 75 million march washington , wonder much media going inflate numbers time last time , pro abortion rally , doubled actual number people showed stories coming press news really makes one wonder 's watching watchers jon life something ca n't master get sleep fran tm ucsd edu anything good useful ucsd edu made chocolate fortune aol com boot head one else would crazy enough claim opinions 42
wolfram informatik th darmstadt de \( wolfram \) subject xv dos 's problem \? organization tu darmstadt lines 31 distribution world nntp posting host informatik th darmstadt de downloaded file zip site someone posted contained files cjpeg exe djpeg exe xv exe tried run , said could n't run go32 exe 's matter \? files missing zip \? go32 exe \? help appreciated bye , wolfram wolfram e mail wolfram informatik th darmstadt de cu , le ! yes , 's right , u 8 \) \)
tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu subject old corvettes low insurance \? nntp posting host twetzel ucs indiana edu organization indiana university x useragent nuntius v1 1 netcom com lines 25 article netcom com richard newton ii , rjn netcom com writes related note , seem sane price '67 convertible corvette good condition \? one determine things \? cr used car magazine n't list '67 corvettes \) net wisdom look avoid \? thanks advance ! rich , first might want join \( vettes compaq com \) search acquisition 67 20k sounds right wrong engine , condition 3 car means car may significant investment value could excellent driver hobby car also want get copy corvette black book immediately n't leave home \( look vettes \) without since contemplating spending 20k , might want invest hours reading corvette buyer 's guide purchase tape buy corvette tape shows check damage , etc many many factors affect value , road worthiness , repair expense proposed 67 list much long go join 100 current corvette owners \( many 60s vintage vettes \) available help pubs mentioned available mid america designs \( 800 \) 637 several corvette parts sources good luck ! ! ! tom \( '68 327 '79 cruiser \)
mdavis crash cts com \( morgan davis \) subject iici rom offers 32 bit clean rom iix organization cts network services \( crash , ctsnet \) , el cajon , ca lines 16 news udel edu johnston udel edu \( bill johnston \) writes particular case see reason go trouble rom swapping apple 32 bit enabler problems , mode32 works fine 7 0 , 7 0 1 , 7 1 still , i'm aware technical reason upgrading rom iix getting 32 bit clean rom , features would iici rom iix provide , \? probably market used mother boards well , might sell rom anyway sells 450 ca n't justify 32 bit mode32 works
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject new study gay percentage organization university virginia lines 17 article 15427 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well err , earth clayton , posted show 2 homosexual assume every homosexual promiscious , leads us conclude 23 percent heterosexuals promiscious first bad one clayton , suprising claims making greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
avr cbnewsj cb att com \( adam v reed \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem organization summary thanks references lines 35 article eggertj moses mit edu , eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) writes article cbnewsj cb att com avr cbnewsj cb att com \( adam v reed \) writes 've read history books dealing period , good bad , possible missed one two , none 've read documents razing mosques think remarkable claim requires specific documentation jake demands , adam requires specific documentation razing mosques jerusalem either reading p , would already seen documentation forgetful newcomers , however , references thanks posting references normally read p , posted request references jim 's article cross posted soc culture jewish allegations jewish disrespect objects buildings religions one antisemitic stereotypes western culture , rumors church host probably caused pogroms blood libel stereotypes culture create cognitive illusions stereotypes therefore claim appears stereotype treated decent people utmost suspicion unless documented claim cross posted news group documented , c j , reference given first time appears claim documented , regard whole episode disgusting shameful especially official failed provide proper temporary facilities evicted jordanians probably jewish , jew know known better adam v reed att com
schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject self destructing copy protection vhs tape \? nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az lines 18 article klp quark klp doe carleton ca \( ka lun pang \) writes borrowed vhs tape friend warning begining saying attempts copy tape result destroying copy original found unbelievable playing recording two different processes however , 've never seen tape sold anywhere n't want take chance even 's small anyone experience kind self destructing video tapes \? always thought wanted send police tape ransom demand , send cnn video tape see wanted buy , would place small magnet near take spool tape would erased played would think check \? john
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 61 article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? funny , brent , far heard two versions facts 1 \) government says includes government says two survivors said 2 \) koresh 's lawyer \( actually inside compound \) says , including says survivors said strange , seem disagree important particulars anyone actually seen news reports survivors speaking first hand , feel free ot pitch may missed money story sound hell lot like case 2 , like case 1 since neither side would particularly interested telling truth , weigh given , weigh care many cult members probably side attorney , lying , change stories match feds also lie , cult members become disillusioned change stories match feds neither sides interested truth media interested , usually either n't time get straight tie ratings deliberately distort , though , black soot billowing outside compound added fast fire spread someone dousing large parts compound sort gasoline fire starter doubt feds interested arresting vernon real unbalanced one \( least one lost cool \) vernon , figured likely \( jesus persecuted authorities , followers hold onto , made decision followers also probably felt heaven stuff \) conclusion , came umpteen million hours listening npr radio shows \( always radio going office talk show news program background noise \) personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
volkert kub nl \( volkert \) subject q pc ip \( mit \) get info install \? organization tilburg university , tilburg , netherlands nntp posting host kub nl lines 22 netters ! seen postings pc ip mit package 1986 \( \? \) full tcp ip fro dos machines anyone 's using \? want connect dos machine os 2 machine tell dos machine run \( sample config autoexec would great \) find nfs client understand telnet ftp client part package 've got crynwr package drivers , 's ! please point good source information cannot help regards , jv name j v address 4 4847 hw fax holland e mail volkert kub nl oooo oooo
eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject robin lane fox 's unauthorized version \? reply eggertj mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 lines 19 article may 7 01 09 39 1993 athos rutgers edu nuscc nus sg \( lee kok kiong james \) writes mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) writes mom passed along lengthy review clipped regarding robin lane fox 's book unauthorized version truth fiction bible , 've read book parts quite typical regarding criticism bible inaccurate historical document , alt , etc carries typical responses , give insight historian \( one n't \) work 've able understand appreciate arguments , something like , mentions certain events , event , robin lane fox historian written several history books , perhaps recent one might remember search alexander also written edited several books jim eggertj mit edu \( jim eggert \)
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization u toronto zoology lines 12 article 1993apr27 samba oit unc edu bruce scott launchpad unc edu \( bruce scott \) writes boosting hst carrying shuttle would damage , could n't hst brought back earth repair job done \? forces accelerations involved little bit orbital maneuvering hst aboard much smaller involved reentry , landing , launch oms engines n't powerful n't svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) subject hawk gt new seat review reply sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 10 , , put corbin seat hawk got solo seat \( could carry passenger short distance \) 100 better stock seat longer voice ride work rich sturges \( h \) 703 536 4443 nswc carderock division \( w \) 301 227 1670 speak one else , listen
tff zeno ds boeing com \( terry f \) subject true globe , makes \? reply tff zeno ds boeing com organization boeing defense space group lines 26 article zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article bill xpresso uucp bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) writes known quite earth actually pear shaped globular spherical anyone make globe accurate actual shape , landmass configuration long lat lines etc \? n't think 're going able see differences sphere unless greatly exaggerated even equatorial bulge 1 part 300 'd never notice error globe deviations spherical shape much smaller svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry remember prof talked scaling cue ball earth size significantly less spherical earth ! terry f boeing defense space group email tff plato ds boeing com po box , mail stop 6j ea phone 206 394 3115 fax 206 394 4300 seattle , wa 98124 terry f boeing defense space group email tff plato ds boeing com po box , mail stop 6j ea phone 206 394 3115 fax 206 394 4300 seattle , wa 98124
stephens interlan com \( jack stephenson \) subject gl file \? distribution usa organization , sunrise , fl lines 27 article watson edu , watson edu \( john wallace \) 've got animation file gl extension \? anu ms dos os 2 programs run file \? thanks gl file archive containing individual frames pieces frames \( usually stored pic clp files \) , fonts , txt file tells grasp animation system display gl stands grasp library probably detailed discussion subject alt binaries pictures faq freely distributable viewers gl files , usually named \? exe \( replace \? version digit letter \) gl files contain frames hardware specific particular modes cga , ega , vga adapters pcs think copies available anonymous ftp \( know got one long time ago \) good luck jack jack stephenson main e mail j stephenson interlan com alternate e mail stephens interlan com p box ft lauderdale , fl usa phone \( 1 \) 305 846
george tessi com \( george mitchell \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization test systems strategies , inc , beaverton , oregon distribution na lines 25 marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) writes looking frozen north , looks like could worse get nra involved kindred problem , large number voters , right attitude , lots funds also lot voters really ethical constitutional viewpoint , n't seen good argument cryptographic rights n't also support nra position guns \( vice versa \) okay , folks , know i'm minority issue , ca n't let assertion go yet i'm going say , hopes starting flame war main topic guns offensive cryptography defensive see difference \? way use gun hurt somebody else crypto helps prevent people hurting sorry digression let 's forget issue agree want continued access crypto technology choice , without key registration george mitchell \( george tessi com \)
acs2 bu edu subject epson action printer 100 , new ! sale distribution usa organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 23 originator acs2 bu edu two un opened , new epson action printers sale list price compusa 169 , i'm asking 100 shipping friend got printers promotional event one compusa stores near area n't need printers , 're selling specs printer 9 pin dot matrix printer 240 cps draft , 40 cps 50 sheet paper tray \( single sheets ! \) prints letterhead small footprint \( used either flat upright ! \) quiet operation support optional tractor feeder comes full \( 2 year \) manufacturer 's warranty interested reply acs bu edu trades welcome ! ! ! nguyen
lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance hartmann \) subject dx50 vs dx266 organization ibm , austin lines 18 article rpi edu arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) writes would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 one things going dx2 66 \( 50 \) 's clock speed complies vesa local bus spec lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) yes , ' ' \( percent sign \) network address statements , comments , opinions , etc herein reflect author shall misconstrued ibm anyone else matter
rexlex fnnews fnal gov subject question hell organization fnal lines 93 article may 14 02 11 45 1993 25249 athos rutgers edu pwhite empros com \( peter white \) writes luke 16 talks rich man lazarus matthew 25 talks eternal fire prepared devil angels revelations 20 21 reference fire place unbelievers thrown matthew 18 talks thrown eternal fire fire hell seems quite clear place fire burns forever revelations passages clear devil angels tormented forever matthew 25 passage n't seem abundantly clear whether punishment unbelievers everlasting sense final sense continual 've missed important passage 2 thess 1 6 10 god repay affliction , give relief afflicted us well lord jesus shall revealed heaven mighty angels flaming fire , dealing retribution know god obey gospel lord jesus pay penalty eternal destruction , away presence lord glory power , comes glorified saints day , among believed testimony believed things note passage unbelievers openly reject gospel , know god eternal destruction eternal hope 2 16 primarily emphasize separation presence god context speaking 2nd advent 2 1 speaking rapture n't confuse two bible , aware discussion specifics hell beyond general hot , unpleasant torment yet far greater discription hell heaven instance , discussed \( \) rich man continually stay fire still feel discomfort pain whether point pain sensing ability burned forgive , throw physical body fire , assuming person starts alive , fairly quick point , nerves destroyed pain longer sensed like earthly fire requires gas producing substance ignite however , seems different type fire expressed burning bush consumed also , daniel acct shows laws nature even earthly fire stated occurs judgement , unbelievers , \( already physically dead \) cast hell maybe n't understand alive end , walk straight even died sin resurrected , e reunited physical body , receive condemnation e longer physical body ca n't feel physical pain contrary teaching scripture could sensed continually hell forever without god lazarus rich man parable told idea listener think physical terms order get point people wo n't listen god even rises dead conjecture best using support physical body thesis point parable reach hard hearted listening fact resurrection gospel jesus christ seems reasonable also draw parable hell even remotely pleasant true hell , eternal separation god , seen glory presence whether open rebellion revealed gospel christ known god \( \) , paul says , without every mouth stopped defense judgment seat god therefore understand appointed unto man die , comes judgment literally , n't make less reality compel us riches christ share others rex
magnus acs ohio state edu \( roy sutton \) subject forsale fast star printer extras 55 nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 11 title says would like sell star 9 pin printer narrow colum dot matrix , supports parallel serial interfacing , prints 200 characters per second , 16k buffer , dependable drop mail interested 55 plus shipping get printer , 6 extra ribbons , parallel connection cable , power cord , manual , one sheet paper \( smile \) roy
ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? \? organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 46 reply ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) says article usenet ucs indiana edu , mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) writes v16 must one somewhere believe bugatti 's coming \( \) one something like 4 turbos mucho macho hp one cool price , heard rate , point , i'm pretty sure , indeed , one production tho rather limited bugatti 's labeled bugatti nothing bugatti 's , understand ppl wanting build silly use name sell drew may thinking cizeta v16t , n't reached production , least yet bugatti , well , agree matt , ai n't top dog , ai n't sexy looking , ai n't real bugatti fact , looks like 's tight competition butt ugly car decade award n't bad least bugatti compound curves compared slab sides bugatti quad turbo v 12 \( thing 4 three cylinder turbo engines tied together \) also bugatti 's board directors hand development 's much bugatti likely get today 's world much like enzo ferrari 's son allowed take part ferrari well n't know cars v4 , number motorcycles could n't tell ones , motorcycles look alike 's funny friends say \) gp 500cc motorcycles v 4s , vf line hondas v 4s \( vf vf , including race bike present vfr \) noted built v 4 recent history hf , pretty italian coupe al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke 'blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes n't know girls ca n't play guitar \? mary chapin carpenter
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject quadra 900 950 reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 12 armani edgeway wimsey bc ca \( anand mani \) writes besides faster processor , 950 scsi 2 , far know , faster due separate processors handling functions mostly q950 scsi2 controller chip 's scsi chip , chips use wide fast scsi 2 modes therefore n't offer much way scsi performance q900 , , faster controller q900 real speed boost comes hades
leland stanford edu \( ryan \) subject cd 's sale organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution usa lines 1 paid 19 95 cd , 're fool got ripped
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject looking movies w bikes nntp posting host seahunt imat com organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 17 article dcs qmw ac uk davide dcs qmw ac uk \( dave edmondson \) writes charles sundheim \( csundh30 ursa calvin edu \) wrote folks , assembling info film criticism class final project 'bout big little robert little guy bonnie clyde good flick , imho michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
prl philips nl \( peter r van \) subject ati graphics ultra pro problem ! lines 21 organization philips research following problem dell ati graphics ultra pro eisa start windows , first 5 times try run application , start windows show following error message error executing application enough memory run application first 5 tries , application want run start , afterwards problems change video driver mach 32 8514 , problem occur , suspect ati drivers \( tried build 55 build 59 driver \) anyone clue \? p r van philips research laboratories tel 31 40 prof 4 fax 31 40 aa eindhoven email prl philips nl netherlands
ez019654 othello ucdavis edu \( victoria milliron \) subject intel 's pci standard \? \? \? organization university california , davis x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 8 read somewhere genie intel coming graphics standard called pci , would vesa standards rumor , substance y'all heard standard please e mail might obtain info thanks advance vamilliron othello ucd edu
mike avon demon co uk \( mike h \) subject s1 , s2 distribution world organization none reply mike avon demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 12 article 102 access digex net steve b access digex com writes theory makes sense s1 s2 either chips , vary among possibilities , anyone trying break encryption brute force need plow possible serial numbers \( 2 30 , one billion \) , multiplied number different s1 , s2 combinations iff phones transmit serial nos part message say phone take serial number use generate required key
mead u washington edu \( christian ricci \) subject head head win os 2 article news organization university washington , seattle lines 4 nntp posting host mead u washington edu forgive stupid , n't see rumor somewhere apple working intel platform os say like system 7 's \? chris
iastate edu \( eric \) subject cache card iisi organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 43 ran speedometer 3 21 's tests \( \) iisi first 64k cache enabled , cache disabled put runs uuencoded machine record numbers favor cache , mostly benchmarks lot memory throughput cut begin 644 cache sit 70 ! \( 0 \? yo g rp ! \? f ! 0 \) 0 8v c 4 8v 7b 36 09 , \? g qb np , \) ! 1 ! b r b \( w 4 n \? p \? ft k f 1 r w 6 2 mg9 1s7 p5 q w k4 5x 3 mm v0 9p 5 1 a8 \? 2 j 6x z k zh 9 oe 5 c , 7 \? \? \? \( 7 \) 1r g 7 \? mo mm aa \? l , \? yh 6 9y gf \? 9f 9o 3g 9k \( 'f , ! 5' 7 q 8 1 ! \( mb 9 , w \( \) yv k , \? l95 l u us f \? 0 mv 7 p g k 9h , n ! \? 0 v 8w \) 4 \) sr \? g \( ! sn z , ' \( 9 x w 4 w v \) , mn cx h g yr \? \? l 4' \) 6 sv l f2 q u , w xt , \) jc c x \) px , 8u w' e cw ox e ! \) h c7 x \? \? 9 \( 2 \? q \) \( fh \( e 4u ! n u \? 7 \) x w 97 cv 7 \? s8 ! qc ry l \? 7 ! 4m e \) ki \( o' n 5 pc u \? 8 3 \? w ! v u em r e5 3 1 4 \( 5 \? ! a5 \( \( \) 7v , h , \? 07 \( 2g \) 7 f , pz end eric help room consultant , 138 durham \( 515 \) 294 storms sage smile upon face , home 296 ames ia never want leave place
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject abc confirms two points fbi 's version summary fbi call immediately experts say 3 fire sources organization chinet public access unix distribution na lines 38 well , question fire equipment took long reach compound answered abc aired report including 911 tapes monday fbi called 911 within 4 minutes fire 's unfortunately , dispatch vehicles outside waco city limits required approval deputy chief , available \( literally lunch \? \) 911 operator desperately called around local community volunteer fire departments get something time trucks arrived 27 minutes later , whole complex aflame clearly little , late two water supply fbi made another call requesting tank truck , waco department apparently depended one though clearly unwilling risk firemen 's lives line fire , seems might done sufficient equipment water make difference even aired tape woman called waco 911 georgia asking anything done civic minded , probably irresponsible everyone watching television , local calls could get abc also aired comments independent fire investigator viewed tapes one side compound \( standard pool shot \) , agreed fire \) must started least 3 places , b \) must spread fast neither conclusive proof koresh crowd offed fbi offed , 's heck lot stronger proof theories floating around net score 2 fbi , 0 branch davidians 89 branch davidians \? koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) subject part n't understand \? reply eeb1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 33 article hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com \( eric rescorla \) writes article 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? non religious reasons moment silence dead classmate \( 1 \) comfort friends showing respect deceased , \( 2 \) give classmates moment grieve together , \( 3 \) give friends moment remember classmate context school , \( 4 \) deal fact classmate gone 's disruptive later yeah , well good fact , though , pro school prayer types tried use moment silence way get prayer back high school instance , dear principal ended moment silence amen certainly see opposing amen n't require opposing moment silence 'll back anybody else besides see vicious circle \? guarantee people want school prayer n't going back ca n't even manage get quiet moment kids pray silently pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions safe , legal , early , rare
mizzou1 missouri edu \( jim \) subject michelin trx tires info needed nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 14 hi , available set metric wheels \( came mustang bird \) wearing nearly bald michelin trx 220 tires place found tires tire rack mailorder place 121 pop cheaper source , another manufacturer size tire \? thanks info please e mail responses post summary interest jas jim mizzou1 missouri edu mizzou1 bitnet
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject atf , enought x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 19 best reason abolishing atf n't enough organization disbanded duties assigned fbi \( firearms \) irs \( tobacco alcohol \) organizations enough fbi probably going try get criminal charge illegal machine gun broken gun postings stating law enforcement divided weak nothing dangerous liberties law enforcement agency without enough criminals chase atf one look trouble started waco rod anderson n0nzo think united states government boulder , co responsible fact bunch rcanders nyx cs du edu fanatics decided kill satellite n0nzo ao 16 slick willie compassionate
sjg ph ac uk \( simon \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization kings college london image processing group x posted ph ac uk nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 19 article 1993apr30 cv ruu nl , rvloon cv ruu nl \( ronald van loon \) writes sophia inria fr muller inria fr \( christophe muller \) writes interesting look change \( \) mind john interested indeed ! kind changes gnu copyleft protecting us anyway , simulog , abandon xv using mostly slide shows loop feature display \( display wonderful imagemagick package ! \) , think implement \( even shell script job \) forget xv stop using shame really rather nice still , objection owner claiming money legit work 's put 'll go back older versions xv simon
lazio astrosun tn cornell edu \( joseph lazio \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization department astronomy , cornell university lines 60 1993may17 olaf wellesley edu 1993may17 ucsu colorado edu reply lazio astrosun tn cornell edu nntp posting host seti tn cornell edu reply fcrary ucsu colorado edu 's message mon , 17 may 1993 05 48 59 gmt mon , 17 may 1993 05 48 59 gmt , fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) said fc article 1993may17 olaf wellesley edu annie wellesley edu \( r lee hawkins \) writes doubtfull credibility astronomer modern , ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field ahh , perhaps 's 've \( astronomers \) built 2 10 meter ground based scopes studying designs larger ones fc exactly fraction current research done big , fc light telescopes \? 've seen , 10 less fc \( 100 25 years ago \) sounds like dying fc n't seem like fair comparison infrared astronomy n't really get started something like 25 yrs ago n't explode iras 1983 gamma ray \( think x ray \) observations n't really get started '70s believe true ultraviolet observations general , know extreme uv \( short 1000 \) observations , \( launched last year \) almost history except observations skylab '70s twenty five years ago , vast majority astronomers access optical radio instruments , far instruments available , growth new fields resulted optical work representing smaller fraction total astronomical work seriously , though , 're never going get 10 meter scope orbit cheaply build one ground , adaptive optics good site , difference quality narrowed quite bit anyway fc would true , adaptive optics worked well fc take look papers subject refer anything fc 100 microns n't know , fc people trouble seeing beyond 7 microns fc reasons think adaptive optics work shorter fc wavelengths without truely radical improvements technology hmm , folks department planning using adaptive optics 5 palomar near infrared observations \( 1 2 microns \) might surprised hear n't ntt already pushing toward 0 1 resolution , ground based site \( remember 0 1 one selling points hst \) e mail lazio astrosun tn cornell edu joseph lazio phone \( 607 \) 255 6420 icbm 42 deg 20' 08 n 76 deg 48 w cornell knows exist \? ! \? stop rape
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject dogs organization university east anglia lines 13 howland noc arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) writes article ms c 735160298 1147902781 mrc ikkoku kan panda com , mrc ikkoku kan panda com \( mark crispin \) writes i'm biker dog lover wonder bikers horrid reputation dog thrust \)
alin nyx cs du edu \( ailin lin \) subject mfm hd 10mb 25 , 70 organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 10 seagate st 212 , hh , 10mb , 25 ibm , fh , , 70 mfm type good working condition buyers pay shipping ailin 803 654 8817
mikec procom com \( mike christensen \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization procom technology , inc lines 140 mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes article may 11 02 36 34 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( someone named mark \) writes deceived neither fornicators , idolators , adulterers , effeminate , homosexuals , thieves , covetous , drunkards , revilers , swindlers , shall inherit kingdom god cor 6 9 11 moderator adequately discusses circularity use porneia think agree \( paul \) kinds activity could named fornication theft would well deserve condemnation may may agree bounds categories , however fact argued suggests matter clear paul excellent interest making clear , leaving matters rather spirit led decisions , uncomfortable living readings dominated christian discussion areas fornication \? \( sex outside marriage , abuse sex \) homosexual intercourse outside context marriage \? n't use god given us \? homosexuals using grace god license practice sin \? certain persons crept unnoticed , long beforehand marked condemnation , ungodly persons turn grace god deny master lord , jesus christ jude 4 \( nasb \) defined god legitimate marriage \? cause man shall leave father mother , shall wife shall become one flesh gen 2 24 \( nasb \) answer said , read , created beginning made male female , said , 'for cause man shall leave father mother , wife two shall become one \? consequently longer two , one flesh therefore god joined together , let man separate matt 19 4 6 \( nasb \) immoralities , let man wife , let woman husband let husband fulfill duty wife , likewise also wife husband 1 corinthians 7 4 , 5 \( nasb \) plenty laws prohibiting sexual behavior found leviticus , christians ignore completely never even bother examine assume know ones moral ones ritual well , news anthropology course ritual clean vs categories awful lot societies \( , buried pretty deep \) cannot see ground distinguishing bits leviticus ritual law christian know feels applies us disagree every law written leviticus looked sin need savior understand someone may know particular sin listed law , would hope would repent confronted notice verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows verse prohibiting appears homosexual intercourse well , la ti da \? almost slimey argument one homosexuality rape know one argues seriously \( though one always find jokers \) defense bestiality absolutely irrelevant incomparable issues gay christians raise \( concern sexual activity within committed , consensual human adult \) , bringing relevant laws cannot address actual issues , bloody dishonest trailing red herring front world want address bestiality , business , mine attempting torpedo serious issue using culture ridiculous joke shows interest hearing us human beings want dismiss us , use means think also noticed preceeding verses say also shall approach woman uncover menstrual shall intercourse neighbors wife , defiled leviticus 18 19 , 20 \( nasb \) verses relevant shall lie male one lies female abomination leviticus 18 22 \( nasb \) god telling israelites practice things \? defile things nations casting become defiled land become defiled , therefore visited punishment upon , land inhabitants , keep statutes judgments , shall abominations , neither native , alien among leviticus 18 24 26 \( nasb \) lord listen say nobody wants dismiss homosexuals love , n't agree practice sin truly repented sin hate sin within lives hate sin life christians hate sin within lives sin bring repentance yes agree john 3 17 , also know jesus said , repent kingdom heaven hand matt 3 17 n't agree homosexuality sin repent \? means remain bondage repent god set free love , mike michael christensen trust lord heart , senior product support engineer lean procom technology , inc understanding proverbs 3 5 \( nasb \)
jpsb neosoft com \( jim shirreffs \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 lines 7 speaking sick bastard , noticed kent state university guess come full circle someone kent favoring excessive force govenment subdue incorrect thinking jim shirreffs speak
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 21 eugene bigelow writes n't bible say god fair god sic \? true , possibly fair infants \? andrew byler writes mean fair \? god , giving everyone deserve infants sin time conception \( cf romans 5 12 , psalm 1 7 \) , cannot possibly merit heaven , purgatory purging temporal punishment sins , impossible sin forgiven st augustine said , invent original sin , catholic faith holds ancient time , deny , without doubt follower new heresy \( de , lib 11 c 12 \) fair punish , rest humanity adam eve \? suppose parents committed crime born one day cops come door throw jail would really think fair \? know would n't
jmiller terra colostate edu \( jeff miller \) subject disks copy protected nntp posting host terra colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 12 nothing , read whole suggestion , i'm saying register via mail mailing registration card , company send patch includes info put registration card problem scheme , buy game , want play day mailing card california would probably take week jmiller terra colostate edu jeff miller terra lab systems admin
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject gamma ray bursters positional stuff organization university rochester lines 25 article 1993apr29 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes getting puppy far enough away , bright burst happens nearby , huge created hopefully intersect line general circle given batse , get moderately accurate position say oh , 2 3 degrees closest anyone ever gotten whole hell lot better 2 3 degrees differential timing measurements interplanetary network ignore directional information batse look time arrival three detectors properly arranged , one often get positions arc minutes btw , oort cloud sources n't fairly near future \? grbs short rise times \( 1 ms \) could detect curvature burst wavefront distance order b 2 \( c \) b detector spacing time resolution 1 ms b 2 au , order 16 light years understand statistics reduce number considerably , would geometry burst coming wrong direction paul
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 23 wb8foz skybridge scl cwru edu \( david lesher \) writes \( postings bnr seem bogus addresses \? nosubdomain nodomain bnr com bounce makes rather difficult reply \) go uunet often problem uunet often problems return paths deleted oh , importantly , amount transmitted rf , short transmitter size small house , likely cause equipment failures describe looking two different problems yep bill
subject earth also pollutes rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) nntp posting host 128 159 2 197 lines 24 article dzvb3b6w164w cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) says fury mother nature man 's contribution environmental pollution paltry compared nature exceptional book trashing planet , former atomic energy commision chairman dr dixie lee ray notes based available data , atomic energy commision hmm , would say earth may spew alot substances atmosphere , quality toxic output easily make lack quantity furthermore , planet system carbon , sulfur chemicals acting billions years , newcomers system must adapt control order bring stability also , two wrongs make right , continuing practices despite overwhelming data ignorance \( non \) action los many environmentalists attributed 1988 drought u global warming , researchers national center atmospheric research educated open minded environmentalists opinions reflective employer disclaimer
morris npt nuwc navy mil \( morris hirsch \) subject \( none \) organization internet lines 30 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu adding motif wrapper family data display programs programs written steps use check true access new data otherwise block \( new data comes quite often \) use check messages true read otherwise continue \( messages user commands often \) update display according latest data messages typically several running windows , plus data producer serving device setting flag everyone blocking makes sure device server gets run xt xm also model must fit o'reilly vol iv ch 9 discusses adding file also add run idle time 'open up' existing main loop call workproc problem blocking new data longer appropriate neither letting program free run others hurt unix select call lets block several ready want x main loop except file suggestions examples welcome ! run sgi personal iris indigo systems morris hirsch aka morris navy mil 401 841
steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) subject test please ignore reply steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) distribution world organization freddy 's place bbs edmonton , ab 403 456 4241 lines 36 quoting ohandley betsy gsfc nasa oh ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov oh newsgroups rec sport hockey oh subject test please ignore oh message id 1993apr21 betsy gsfc nasa gov oh date wed , 21 apr 1993 22 07 41 gmt oh reply ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov oh test please ignore oh oh oh oh ok ignore message since test wow , montreal scored go 1 0 game 4 series , oh sorry supposed ignore message n't bye steve dont dare read tagline ! ! ! ! ! ! ! blue wave qwk v2 12
cantva canterbury ac nz \( james \) subject presentation package preaching \? organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 16 hi , presentation package would recommend bible teacher \? 've checked graphics windows think suitable sales people preachers bible teachers present outline message i'm looking one great overhead projector slides imports clip arts works word windows imports word windows files works inkjet printers know meets part , please let know please email response n't keep newsgroup thanking advance , james
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject gun control organization computer science department , stanford university lines 24 article zeus tamu edu djh4484 zeus tamu edu \( , daniel joseph \) writes well regulated militia , security free state , right people keep bear arms shall infringed regulated \? regulated means controlled ! security \? may mean 1993 , relevant meaning comes 1789 moreover , controlled n't tell 's fletcher 's political works , pub 'd 1749 , defines well regulated militia , relevant phrase , armed people control govt argued used way feel free provide era reference showing usage individual right , interfered govt note first clause meaning restriction govt military power see 's university penn law review article extended discussion existence well regulated militia necessary part restriction , sufficient andy
gunnarh dhhalden \( gunnar \) subject 386 motherboard advice needed lines 37 nntp posting host organization ostfold college article 965 jethro corp sun com lonewolf muse corp sun com \( peter pak \) writes hi , anyone source 386dx 25 motherboards \? 've calling around local stores everyone appears stocking 386dx 33 40 386sx 25 33 motherboards difficult modify 386dx 40 motherboard run 25 mhz \? simple replacing system clock slower part \? thanks ! peter know work sun , 's really reason like fast computers suspect conspiracy trying drag intel mud con something \? really wish guys would make computers faster instead degrading others' n't go straight top run pentium 0 7 mhz 're \? seriously though bleeding hell want 386 40 run 25mhz \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \( insert smiley appropriate \) mail mail gunnarh dhhalden snail mail gunnar gunnarh dhhalden 17 n norway disclaimer posting may seem like insignificant rubbish first glance , read lines , surprised discover annals burt , world peace , oxford advanced readers dictionary , quantum physics made easy , easy use step step make time travelling device actually works
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject object smiley x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 25 james sez new kuiper belt object called 'karla' , next one called 'smiley' jeff responds unless i'm imaging things , \( always possibility \) 1992 qb1 , kuiper belt object discovered last year , known smiley jeff foust 49 days ! 're outer space senior , planetary science , caltech , i'm iowa work jafoust cco caltech edu outer space jeff jpl nasa gov star trek iv voyage home would n't worry much , jeff work jpl , job imaging things \) \( know , typo , could n't resist least , hope typo , stupid joke intended \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk radius vision increases , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm circumference mystery grows
david morgan hal9k ann arbor mi us \( david morgan \) subject mac lc sale distribution world organization hal 9000 bbs , w net hq , ann arbor , michigan , usa reply david morgan hal9k ann arbor mi us \( david morgan \) lines 36 sale apple macintosh lc 2 mb ram , 40 mb hdd , fdd 13 hi res rgb monitor keyboard , mouse , microphone , kensington masterpiece mac ii running system 7 documentation manuals symantec 1 00 mac tools deluxe 1 2 loaded hdd disks manuals included hardware mint condition , used total 60 minutes absolutely nothing wrong system , ca n't get used mac using pc 800 shipping costs \( non negotiable \) also , option person purchases apple stylewriter printer accessory kit brand new , never used , factory sealed carton 200 shipping costs reply via e mail david morgan hal9k ann arbor mi us leave phone number \( fast \) call 313 552 1769 \( 24 hr voice mail \) \( faster \) serious inquiries , please first come , first served \( ad originally posted conference couple weeks ago , first buyer could n't finance purchase accidentally killed replies sorry \) hal 9000 bbs qwk usenet gateway four 14400 v 32bis dial ins free usenet mail 200 newsgroups ! pcboard 14 5am uupcb kmail call 1 313 663 4173 663 3959 member eff , asp , asad 1500mb disk serving ann arbor since 1988
sweda css itd umich edu \( sean sweda \) subject royals final run total organization university michigan itd consulting support lines 23 nntp posting host stimpy css itd umich edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 k mitchell bose \( kbos carina unm edu \) wrote toronto blue jays scored 329 oh , fine , 'll ignore one , coming 1981 'll teach qualify statements 1978 , oakland 's scored thundering 532 runs bleah ! ok , something shoot royals score 531 runs less season \( although decided get mcrae leadoff spot \( \) course , valentine throw one back face royals even manage another al team sean sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant p gammons idiotic quote week gm manager motor city marauders 's better home run park internet baseball league baseball tiger stadium 4 17
sclark epas utoronto ca \( susan clark \) subject leafs happened \? organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto ca lines 40 hi guys happened \? 1 potvin n't let six goals 2 wendel andreychuk woke 3 home ice lots yelling gardens gave leafs emotional edge 4 refs calls \( especially last night \) tended favour leafs couple comments 1 gilmour guy n't one three stars n't mean leading team someone posted playoff point total 's something like fifth sixth place plus , walked away cup \( given points three star selection \) regular season 2 officiating 've heard gripes ends one emotions high series rivalry one stronger ones know agree officiating last night pro leaf general \( except whoever missed slash gilmour 's hand \) 3 general still think detroit one better chances vs pittsburgh \( though think leafs would better blues well made division \) problem , like teams , though i'm supporting leafs underdog principle way gilmour tiring lot like bob probert playing aggressive hockey way i'm sort expert , claim like watching good matchup tee hee hee ooops ! susan
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject krypto cables \( cobra locks \) nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college distribution usa lines 17 follow , bad experience w krypto lock last year bought krypto cable ii \( 3 8 x3 4' long , something like \) standards seemed like decent piece used anyway ever used security purposes , used entertainment \( minds gutter , please \) , say sat fiddling w watching tv \( night got \) three minutes mindless fiddling \( course mindless , remember watching tv \) entire mechanism came key ! unlike old rhyme left empty cylinder non secure \( read breeze \) cable lock kinda makes wonder flat key style lock one w slide hammer viola i'm making insurance claim anyone else similar experience \( w , bike theft \) \? erc
cs okstate edu \( alexander michael \) subject batf acronym organization oklahoma state university , computer science , stillwater lines 28 article hpfcso fc hp com hpfcso fc hp com \( ross \) writes diederic spot colorado edu \( andrew diederich \) writes b , f ed ! one made last night bureau assault , theft , frame ups try one , favorite around bureau assholes , , remember , created infernal revenue code soon discovered rock thing true jerry lee lewis devil jesus architect previous career prophet sudden , found love world , one thing could ding ding dang dang long ling long
cco caltech edu \( douglas wong \) subject silicon storage inc organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 5 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu would appreciate much address phone company make analog thanks advance doug
ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \( markfried fellensiek \) subject diamond products boycot \? organization monash university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 22 diamond video cards \( stealth , viper , speedstar , etc \) may excellent specifications , windows drivers come might make windows fast , 're considering buying system , view using run unix \( linux , bsd , etc \) special software , good chance work diamond cards due diamond 's propriety attitude 's hardware 's impossible get free information chips \( specifically dot clocks \) without paying , signing non disclosure agreements made impossible free software foundation provide x windows compatibility cards , diamond n't want divulge programming far know diamond propriety 's info mark
se \( peter sj str \) subject wc finland organization lulea university computer society lines 13 1993apr25 math ucla edu oak math ucla edu \( david stein \) writes jarkko writes disaster ! finland beaten czech 1 3 \( 0 0 , 1 1 , 0 2 \) finland 4th pool b certainly meet canada quarter final wednesday 28th look situation positively finns kick canada ! \) last world cup eventually lost tp sweden final ! peter
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization hand held products , inc lines 112 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr26 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds n't recall saying baptists though suppose none listed dictionary characteristics cult mother stockpiled soup sale 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things , foul mouthed human sound like ready join kkk neo nazis , narrow mind like fuck grandparents died \( native tongue , pseudo historically literate people \) , cares native tongue , long understand would suggest 'd search long hard find someone diffuse sensibilities oh , feet , would n't think i'm sorry grandparents died , easier say prove , , lesson paid thier lives wasted horn expert often feel compelled brag circumstances 's death 8 people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia n't care cults 's language problem problem religious fanatics \( claiming god little bit unsettling \) stockpiling several years' supply canned foods enough weapons hold company \( mention atf , ed first place \) talking 're going take care unbelievers granted , moment , 'd done nothing wrong recognize respect atf discovers n't proper permits purchases failed pay taxes batf offense , true several parents come forward demand previous charges child abuse interviews parents whose children compound point parents claimed psychological sexual abuse childrens' statements supported charges local offense , true totally outside batf 's domain 'no knock \? ' really n't heard anything clearly another guy minding business hell , give guns world n't bother anyone scary sort , n't think \? n't know man tv chose tell sort person 'd want daughter date \? thought prejudicial undertones would trust daughter 's judgement n't think reason number one doubt legal statements made survivors \( note made , ' well hesitate say trained killers \) n't believe either side blindly fired atf 's little mistake , red white blue american defending home big brother fired first , without announcing way \( pound door claim police , lay take \? \) , could justified firing atf self defense shit n't fly anyone background shoot kill federal law enforcement officials good citizen whose crusade enjoys support 's loose cannon opinion background \? law convicted breaking past \? joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
wbarnes sura net \( bill barnes \) subject \( q \) scsi ide \( e 2 hard drives \) organization suranet , college park , md , usa , na , earth , milky way lines 27 nntp posting host sura net article 1993apr19 news cs brandeis edu luoma binah cc brandeis edu writes anyone \( successfully \) put scsi ide hard drives system \? would like know well , since bought 200mb seagate ide drive want add computer \( four year old gateway 386 20 \) , currently 80mb seagate scsi drive scsi controller docs told specify cmos setup , e hard drive settings listed installed , apparently scsi controller works wonders wondering problem also , remember , helped cousin install second ide drive , define master slave relationship need something similar \? particularly interested scsi boot drive help would appreciated , since intend install drive asap 'd like know \( \) start thanks ! william barnes suranet operations wbarnes sura net \( 301 \) 982 4600 voice \( 301 \) 982 4605 fax disclaimer n't speak suranet n't speak
aaron minster york ac uk subject gulf war \( death penalty political atheists \? \) distribution world organization department computer science , university york , england lines 36 mark mccullough \( mccullou cs wisc edu \) wrote details us built chemical plant al near baghdad however , plant 's intended use aid iraqi infrastructure example selling weapon may sound nitpicking , going refuse sell valuable parts build infrastructure dual use technology \? contending case \( case sale uk companies \) knew full well used production chemical weapons even officially stated purpose personally n't think letting iran conquer iraq would good thing matter , neither \( reasons state \) hypocrisy claims us help iraq make angry , plus fact usa seems believe right interfere sees fit \( e interest \) rather duty intervene required demonstrated failure us anything east timor \( region becoming \) usa might done something approaching right thing , given reservations number , wholly wrong reasons hand creating situation way would affect us later military action iraq suggest would would ridiculous assert otherwise simply indicating usa previously aided iraq intel manufacturing techniques , something nature \? , apparently data \( satellites although doubt iraq would given raw data \) concerning troop concentrations aaron turner aaron minster york ac uk
35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca subject cbc canadian espn organization university western ont , london nntp posting host hydra uwo ca lines 19 hooray , hear tsn jets game , selanne getting hat trick ! course , country \( read ontario ! \) could n't see game , van wpg series far , beloved cbc figures one cares series \( looked pretty far monday wednesday nights , cbc could shown toronto detroit game , done news , picked winnipeg vancouver n't tonight \? guessed , toronto detroit , news \( end jets game \) , calgary la , 's hockey night canada , ca n't see one two series two canadian teams \? much ask \? paul 35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject tracing license plates bdi cagers \? organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 36 nntp posting host b329 gator 1 pica army mil jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) wrote article sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes traffic citation accusation committed crime 's go motions trial want one , still innocent proven guilty cops ones accuse people committing crimes , anyone witnesses crime go highway patrol explain situation , give description car license number , tell specific violation law witnessed wish prosecute \( ie , search vehicle code section number handy \) fill ticket sign go system ticket cop writes goes contested , appear court prosecute word carry weight cop 's , indeed , advice got police officer close call , without additional impartial witnesses , would word vs driver 's , decide whether time inconvenience worth time inconvenience driver , also whether positive effect would result \( beyond making feel better \) 0 02 worth bdi town car passed right two lane road ! license plate \( days carried pen paper tankbag \) went local police station cops filled ticket signed paid ! tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
bevan cs man ac uk \( stephen j bevan \) subject davidians compassion juts ccc amdahl com organization department computer science , university manchester lines 5 reply agr00 ccc amdahl com 's message 22 apr 93 04 18 19 gmt article juts ccc amdahl com agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) writes surely equating david koresh christianity \? two comparable er , \?
npl prodigal psych rochester edu \( nicholas \) subject removable drive organization university rochester \( rochester , ny \) lines 14 nntp posting host prodigal psych rochester edu possible rip external syquest removable drive external casing install 5 1 4 empty bay slot centris 650 \? know special bracket would need purchased , power hookup scsi constraints would prevent \? anyone done , could mail instructions n't seem overwhelming undertaking nicholas controls fork , controls meal choice npl psych rochester edu npl merlin cvs rochester edu lard \( 1991 \)
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? reply bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 15 06 53 gmt lines 25 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu organization ibm toronto lab article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes flat 180 deg v opposed usually , also equals boxer , however , think term traditionally reserved 8 's 12 's \( firing order matters \) talked r many months back ca n't remember consensus examples ferrari 's 512tr flat 12 boxer porsche 's 911 flat 6 subaru 's impreza flat 4 regards , brian bmws boxer twin ! \( two \? \) around since 1923 think examples johnny come may wrong flames please jeff goss
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization university illinois urbana lines 59 citation ksu ksu edu citation ksu ksu edu \( jonathan w newton \) writes article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides important n't seem right want kill , decide \? 1 \) society think fairly obvious really whatever particular society mandates ok ok , always society disagree mandates , societal mandates make standard morality \? 2 \) define acceptable \? generally feel right , idiotic policy think basis \? unfortunately admit tied least loosely feeling , think intuitively know things wrong awfully hard defend , though 3 \) keep whatever legal moral position \? thinking might agree certain actions legal make moral mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu new taxes spending cuts 'll still 310 billion dollar deficits michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
greg ncr com subject windows line review uploaded reply greg ftcollinsco ncr com organization ncr microelectronics , ft collins , co lines 12 uploaded windows line review shareware edition ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 uploads zip line magazine contains reviews shareware products grabbed windows line bbs greg \( 303 \) 223 5100 ncr products division 464 2001 court greg ftcollinsco ncr com fort collins , co 80525
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject egypt call fighting fundamentalists , objects pro bosnian steps nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine keywords international , united nations , government , non usa government , fighting lines 14 article 1993apr29 ucsu colorado edu barrak rintintin colorado edu \( mohammed f \) writes article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes \( upi \) representatives 51 islamic nations considering tuesday request bosnia herzegovina 260 million weapons fight bosnian serbs right ! let 's hope get rear ends something un clearly content sit tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject alt atheism faq constructing logical argument organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 27 's suggestion logical argument faq n't think 's covered , though fallacy probably better name one used , mathew \? inconsistency counterexample occurs one party points source information takes stand , inconsistent b two variations b either mutually agreed premise else stand elsewhere source second party responds saying see , source really say b , 's right ! reply refute allegation inconsistency show source says b example first type koran says unbelievers treated ways agree immoral koran clearly says passage unbelievers treated way example second type two biblical creation stories 're wrong , since bible clearly describes creation description first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
cfw world std com \( christopher f wroten \) subject problem dos box windows file compressed organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 16 've started getting message windows 3 1 whenever try execute dos program windows , either thru program manager file manager message box comes says program one components compressed use ms dos expand command expand file , know bogus , always execute program dos running windows program question command com \( yup , basic dos command line shell \) , expand command tells file already expanded windows apps work fine get message trying execute dos program windows clues anyone \? thanks ! ! christopher wroten , cfw world std com
j manning csc32 enet dec com \( john manning \) subject mitsumi sb pro organization digital equipment corporation distribution usa lines 22 article elroy uh edu , elroy uh edu \( b j \) writes article 1993apr20 zip eecs umich edu , grover emunix emich edu \( grover thomas \) writes poke little pins connector , replace correct slots \? easy poke \? well , tried method based responses several people either \( probable \) changed connector ended destroy connector , put heat shrink tubing individual pins plug sb connector correct order works great way turned fine certainly sounded easy based people 's experiences attempts go well john john manning opinions expressed j manning csc32 enet dec com represent digital equip
ravel udel edu \( joshua smith \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 22 , someone else gateway monitor problem , anyone help , please , would much thanks advance ok , local bus 486 66 machine , crystal scan monitor 1 meg memory ati ultra pro , w mach32 driver \( newest release \) problem windows use 1024 mode get shadows sides screens , blurry type corners types screen focus 've gotten replacement video cards , replacement monitor none helped though could someone help problem thanks , josh smith live ! make always precious time reply never come ! picard , inner light bach udel edu
tekig5 pen tek com \( steven harvey \) subject house sale owner keywords house , home , sale , owner lines 58 house sale owner selling price 89 , 900 owner steve joyce harvey phone \( 206 \) 254 address ne 148 ct , vancouver , washington legal lot 14 , bush gardens 3 , recorded volume g , page 636 records clark county builder triangle land , built 1975 leader us mortgage co \( \) loan balance 36 , 000 , 10 lot size 101 ft deep x 92 ft wide square footage improved living area 1 , 266 sq ft double garage area 500 sq ft taxes 1992 real estate taxes 826 26 utilities water sewer city vancouver electric clark county recycle garbage vancouver insulation clark county completed 9 28 93 homes schools school district access shopping near 205 vancouver mall home discription 3 bedroom , 2 bath ranch new roof , new paint , new mini blinds , living room ceiling , corner wood stove insert kitchen , new sink , new drop range refrigerator ceiling fans living room three bedrooms well lit large double garage new steel insulated door , work bench , shelves space washer dryer yard discription nicely fenced yard lots trees , garden , 9 ft x 10 ft storage shed , concrete patio security lighting trees include apple , pear , cherry , walnut
erh0362 tesla njit edu \( elliotte rusty harold \) subject introductory macintosh frequently asked questions \( faq \) supersedes macintosh general faq gza com organization department mathematics , njit lines 1037 expires 19 may 1993 04 00 07 gmt reply erh0362 tesla njit edu \( elliotte harold \) nntp posting host pad thai aktis com summary document answers number frequently asked questions macintoshes usenet avoid wasting bandwidth matter politeness please familiarize document posting keywords faq , macintosh , mac , macintosh , mac , general , introduction x last updated 1993 04 19 archive name macintosh general faq version 2 1 3 last modified april 16 , 1993 copyright 1993 , elliotte harold changes 2 1 ftp macintosh software \? added ftp site anl anl fr 2 5 bin \? hqx \? cpt \? image \? etc \? disk decode archives binhex 5 0 decode macbinary files , stuffit files last version erroneously indicated 2 7 added question get binhex , stuffit etc pc \? comp sys mac faq part 1 introduction macintosh newsgroups introduction 1 use document \? 2 information available \? 3 newsgroup post \? 4 someone asked system taking sixteen megabytes iicx n't display knowledge world posting response question \? ii ftp 1 ftp macintosh software \? 2 get shareware e mail \? 3 find application x \? 4 someone mail application x \? 5 bin \? hqx \? cpt \? image \? etc \? 6 get binhex \? stuffit \? etc \? 7 get binhex , stuffit , etc pc \? iii troubleshooting things go wrong 1 identify problem 2 read read file 3 check viruses 4 reinstall application support files 5 reinstall system software 6 isolate problem 7 contact technical support iv preventive maintenance 1 trash files 2 extensions 3 rebuild desktop 4 zap pram reset clock 5 resize system heap 6 reinstall system software 7 disk utilities 8 backing 9 disk defragmentation 10 reformatting hard disk faq lists currently available b comp sys mac system memory 1 system using much memory \? 2 mode 32 \? 32 bit enabler \? need \? 3 cache carry \( much memory cache \? \) ii system software 1 apple charge system 7 1 \? 2 system 7 1 give 35 system 7 0 n't \? 3 get system 7 1 \? 4 use system 6 system 7 mac \? 5 non us scripts systems 6 system 7 \? need \? 7 da 's disappear turn multifinder \? 8 need system 7 0 1 \? 9 get system 7 0 1 800k disks \? iii hard disks , , file system 1 help ! folder disappeared ! 2 ca n't throw folder away \? 3 ca n't share removable drive \? 4 ca n't eject syquest cartridge \? cd rom \? etc 5 ca n't rename hard disk \? iv miscellaneous 1 system error xxx mean \? 2 type 1 error \? 3 rose \? 4 easy access one answer , many questions c comp sys mac misc viruses 1 help ! virus ! 2 reporting new viruses ii printing postscript 1 make postscript file \? 2 print postscript file \? 3 wo n't postscript file print mainframe 's printer \? 4 postscript files big \? 5 print postscript non postscript printer \? 6 make imagewriter ii print color \? 7 n't work imagewriter \? 8 document change printed \? 9 preview postscript file \? 10 edit postscript file \? iii dos mac 1 move files mac pc \? 2 translate files dos format \? 3 buy softpc real pc \? iv security 1 prevent users changing contents folder \? 2 password protect mac \? v particular place go \( miscellaneous \) 1 good books mac \? 2 take picture screen \? 3 use picture desktop \? 4 replace welcome macintosh box picture \? 5 autodoubler \? \? disk space \? safe \? 6 compare , stacker \? 7 icons go \? 8 find user group \? work copyright 1993 elliotte harold permission hereby granted distribute unmodified document provided fee excess normal line charges required distribution portions document may extracted quoted free charge without necessity citation normal line communication provided said quotes represented correspondent 's original work permission quotation document printed material edited line communication \( info mac digest tidbits \) given subject normal citation procedures \( e say got \) disclaimer best ensure information contained document current accurate , accept responsibility actions resulting information contained herein document provided warranty kind corrections suggestions addressed erh0362 tesla njit edu apple , macintosh , laserwriter , imagewriter , finder , hypercard multifinder registered trademarks powerbook trademark apple computer , inc registered trademark hell ag , inc postscript registered trademark illustrator photoshop trademarks adobe systems , inc microsoft registered trademark microsoft corporation pagemaker registered trademark aldus corp autodoubler diskdoubler trademarks fifth generation systems , inc stuffit stuffit deluxe trademarks raymond lau systems , inc stuffit trademark systems , inc disk space trademark software corporation trademark golden triangle computers , inc unix registered trademark trademarks respective manufacturers first part faq second part posted comp sys mac system features many questions system software third part posted every two weeks comp sys mac misc tables contents two pieces included please familiarize three sections document posting pieces available anonymous ftp rtfm mit edu \( 18 172 1 27 \) directory pub usenet news answers macintosh except introductory faq appears multiple newsgroups stored general faq z , name file format last part group name followed faq z , e g faq comp sys mac system stored system faq z faq comp sys mac misc stored misc faq z rtfm stores files compressed \( z \) binary files leave z end file name getting file , rtfm automatically decompress file sending also files mailed sending e mail message mail server rtfm mit edu line send pub usenet news answers macintosh name body text name name file want specified \( e g general faq \) also send server message subject help detailed instructions question \( 1 0 \) congratulations ! 've come right place usenet wonderful resource information ranging basic questions \( lock floppy disk \? \) queries would make steve jobs run screaming room terror \( used resedit remove resources init 11 , 34 , 17 system file used hex editor add code string patch routine standard file dialog box would nice shade everything worked fine installed , use aldus driver print pagemaker 5 6000 system hangs p i'm running system 6 0 2 powerbook 170 \) since macintosh newsgroups medium high volume , ask first peruse faq list including least table contents pieces , check relevant line resources listed question 1 2 , especially faq lists macintosh newsgroups , rtfm \( read friendly manual \) posting question realize personally incensed system taking fourteen newly installed twenty megs ram , question already made way around world three hundred times , 's developing tired feet finally , posting newsgroup \( macintosh otherwise \) , please familiarize basic etiquette usenet described newsgroup news announce newusers use document \? get \? \( 1 1 \) comp sys mac faq currently divided multiple pieces , general introduction 're reading , specific lists newsgroups comp sys mac system comp sys mac misc faq lists comp sys mac wanted , comp sys mac apps comp sys mac hardware development ready part available respective newsgroup pieces available via anonymous ftp rtfm mit edu pub usenet news answers macintosh directory except document named general faq z pieces named per last part newsgroup cover followed faq , e g system faq z , misc faq z z means file stored compressed 'll need ftp binary mode use either , stuffit deluxe , unix uncompress command decompress however leave z extension get file , rtfm automatically decompress file sending introductory document posted concerned newsgroups tables contents specific faq lists beginning file able get least idea whether question answered anywhere else faq even n't parts hand 's always obvious , especially newcomers , particular question comment posted please familiarize faq lists major macintosh newsgroups posting questions appear faqs serve basic guide posts belong jump particular question search section number question number enclosed example find ftp macintosh software \? search string \( 2 1 \) jump section instead question use zero question number information available \? \( 1 2 \) comp sys mac faq provides short answers number frequently asked questions appropriate usenet newsgroup comp sys mac misc comp sys mac system four files worthy particular note daryl maintains faq list covering macintosh programming newsgroup comp sys mac programmer 's posted group weekly available anonymous ftp ftp cs uoregon \( 128 223 8 8 \) pub mac eric rosen maintains frequently asked questions list comp sys mac comm available newsgroup rascal ics utexas edu mac faq \( file 're reading also archived \) list answers many frequently asked questions networking , unix mac , telecommunications , foreign file formats norm walsh compiled excellent faq comp fonts answers lot questions various kinds fonts cross platform conversion printing 's available comp fonts ftp cs umass edu pub norm comp fonts faq finally jim jagielski maintains faq comp unix aux covering apple 's unix environment , ux 's posted every 2 3 weeks comp unix aux news answers 's available anonymous ftp jagubox gsfc nasa gov newsgroup post \? \( 1 3 \) stupid questions , misplaced ones would n't ask english teacher definite integral ln x zero one , would \? n't ask programmer newsgroup system slow microsoft word background ignorance basic excuse want people help , need learn ways communicating posting questions proper newsgroup fill mailbox pearls wisdom \( maybe rotten \) \) posting wrong newsgroup often thundering silence instance common glaring , one seems macintosh regions usenet would purple elephant arctic , asking question networking anywhere except comp sys mac comm , normally produces useful responses posting question comp sys mac comm ensures post read considered dozens experienced network administrators network software designers please post exactly one newsgroup cross post question n't important enough take extra minute figure properly belongs , 's important enough several thousand people spend time reading reason comp sys mac misc used catch newsgroup breakdown questions different newsgroups document also serve reasonable guide belongs specifically questions productivity applications \( software bought macintosh run , software bought make macintosh run better \) go comp sys mac apps unless application covered specific newsgroup communications programs , games , hypercard , compilers databases topical comp sys mac newsgroups post questions non communications hardware including questions software necessary make particular hardware work comp sys mac hardware questions system software belong comp sys mac system questions utilities extensions normally belong comp sys mac misc questions ux go comp unix aux detailed questions appletalk belong comp protocols appletalk direct questions hypercard comp sys mac hypercard non hypercard programming questions questions development environments go comp sys mac programmer resedit questions may posted either comp sys mac misc , comp sys mac system , comp sys mac programmer generally netters inhabit darker recesses comp sys mac programmer considerably practiced art resource hacking general exception rules technical question application actually begins delve 's program well 's \( recent example written entirely assembly compare word processors written high level languages \? \) might better addressed programmer newsgroup sale want buy posts go comp sys mac wanted misc forsale computers mac understand 're desperate sell upgraded 128k mac get powerbook 180 trust , anyone wants buy reading comp sys mac wanted political religious questions \( mac better windows ! ! ! ! ! hey ! 'bout amiga ! \? ! ! \) belong comp sys mac advocacy anything specifically mentioned probably belongs comp sys mac misc finally n't provincial consider comp sys mac newsgroups appropriate forums questions many questions modems comp sys mac comm much thoroughly discussed comp dcom modems questions mac midi often better handled comp music even though 's macintosh specific newsgroup shop around usenet 's big place everything relevant macintosh happens comp sys mac 4 someone asked system taking sixteen twenty megabytes ram put wit display world posting response \? frequent answers boring frequent questions unless really something new add traditional answers \( recent discovery fonts system 7 1 could eat memory \) private e mail much better medium answering common questions like one might want add mention faq e mail response polite suggestion correspondent read posting future questions read newsgroups covered written small script microphone ii lets send 's \( people frequently asked questions \) section document answers question click button please n't feel obligated respond someone cares little answer question ca n't troubled read faq list get ftp \( 2 0 \) ftp mac software \? \( 2 1 \) three major north american internet archives shareware , freeware , demo software sumex aim stanford edu \( 36 44 0 6 \) , mac archive umich edu \( 141 211 165 41 \) , wuarchive wustl edu \( 128 252 135 4 \) mirrors two sites several others wuarchive often holds files sites remove space concerns , still files deleted formerly important site , rascal ics utexas edu rascal notable storing files macbinary format rather less efficient binhex format common archives unless otherwise noted shareware freeware mentioned document available sites keep traffic internet , scandinavians try connecting ftp funet fi \( 128 214 6 100 \) , ftp lth se \( 130 235 20 3 \) , sics se \( 192 16 123 90 \) instead u k look first src doc ic ac uk \( 146 169 2 1 \) continental europeans try nic switch ch \( 130 59 1 40 \) , ethz ch \( 129 132 2 72 \) , anl anl fr \( 192 54 179 1 \) australian users try find want archie au \( 139 130 4 6 \) mirrors info mac mac archive japanese users find sumex mirrored ftp u tokyo ac jp \( 130 69 254 254 \) fourth important site ftp apple com \( 130 43 2 3 \) apple 's semi official repository system software , developer tools , source code , technical notes , things come less straight apple 's mouth material site may distributed outside u sites n't official license distribute apple system software please read various readme documents available ftp apple com detailed info 're connecting outside u wish redistribute material find get shareware e mail \? \( 2 2 \) info mac archives sumex aim available e mail listserv bitnet \( alternately listserv rice edu \) listserver responds commands help , index , get filename mac archive files available mac mac archive umich edu send message containing words help index \( quotes \) first two lines message instructions getting started list files may request retrieve files sites using server ftpmail decwrl dec com details send message text help \( quotes \) find application x \? \( 2 3 \) ca n't find 're looking one sites , try nearest archie server sending e mail message addressed archie subject help archie servers located archie rutgers edu \( 128 6 18 15 , america \) , archie mcgill ca \( 132 206 2 3 , original archie server canada \) , archie au \( 139 130 4 6 , australia \) , archie funet fi \( 128 214 6 100 , scandinavia \) , archie doc ic ac uk \( 146 169 3 7 , u k continent \) sites index tens thousands files available anonymous ftp login archie \( password needed \) type prog filename find 're looking type help detailed instructions instance would type prog disinfectant search convenient ftp site disinfectant initial search fails turn file want , try variations name instance n't find disinfectant prog disinfectant , might try prog instead searches often hide gold pile avoid many erroneous matches add hqx end , e g prog hqx mac software available net ends hqx almost unix pc software please check archives archie personally asking find particular piece shareware follow advice , almost never ask net find particular piece software someone mail application x \? \( 2 4 \) anyone mail part file comp binaries mac corrupt missed site please refer first questions section find anonymous ftp , archie , automatic e mail servers bin \? hqx \? cpt \? etc \? \( 2 5 \) files available ftp modified twice allow easily pass foreign computer systems first 're compressed make faster download , 're translated either binhex \( hqx \) macbinary \( bin \) format computers digest \( macintosh uses special two fork filing system chokes computers \) binhex files 7 bit ascii text files , macbinary files pure 8 bit binary data must always transferred using binary protocol file translated compressed transmission indicated suffix normally file name something like filename xxx xxx indicates compressed indicates translated use file 've ftp 'd downloaded mac 'll need reverse process files get net require two step decoding process first change binhex \( hqx \) macbinary \( bin \) file double macintosh file decompress programs decode file types covered table also note macintosh telecommunications programs automatically convert macbinary files regular macintosh files downloaded suffix sit cpt hqx bin pit z image dd zip uu tar stuffit 3 0 x x x x x compact pro x x x x x x x x x binhex 5 0 x binhex 4 0 x diskdoubler x x unzip x diskcopy x x x x x notes stuffit family products use several different compression schemes freeware stuffit expander versions stuffit earlier 3 0 \( stuffit 1 5 1 , stuffit classic , , stuffit deluxe 2 0 1 0 \) increasing number files stuffed stuffit 3 0 need get recent version stuffit stuffit expander stuffit 3 0 5 \( lite deluxe \) consistently makes smaller archives macintosh compression utility allow maximum space files various ftp sites keep net bandwidth , please compress files send anonymous ftp sites stuffit 3 0 5 , , handle popular unix formats uuencode \( uu \) , compress \( z \) , tar \( tar \) respectively unix versions often robust mac products , use instead 's option translators allow stuffit lite expand uuencoded tar files also available anonymous ftp dik winter 's package unix utilities decompress files workstation downloading mac since unix stores files differently mac , creates macbinary \( bin \) files automatically converted download ca n't decompress everything particular ca n't decompress new stuffit 3 0 archives \( however , need one two files archive instance want read readme find program need download indispensable found sumex aim info mac unix directory notes compression formats bin macbinary files always use binary file transfer protocol transferring , never ascii text files net stored hqx instead rascal stores files bin format communications programs zterm capable translating macbinary files fly download know advance 'll downloading macbinary files image format normally used system software , line users download files easily converted exact copies installer floppies instead using diskcopy restore images floppies , use steve christensen 's freeware utility treat images hard disk actual floppies inserted floppy drive reputation buggy , blank floppies copy diskcopy handy case sea \( x , x \) sea files n't merit position table 're self extracting may created compact pro , stuffit , even diskdoubler capable double clicked unknown reason chosen use industry standard designation self extracting archives created payware products ! disk space instead append either x x self extracting archives get binhex \? stuffit \? etc \? \( 2 6 \) far easiest way get programs ask human copy onto floppy 're university 's absolutely excuse finding someone give copy 're anywhere less remote sound , chances good someone computer center , dealership , user group provide copy stuffit stuffit \( version \) n't need binhex 're computer geek thought actually asking living , breathing human instead computer terminal something turns quivering mass jelly , probably download working copy stuffit local bulletin board system religious objections software gotten means anonymous ftp , suppose 'll mention fact ftp working copy stuffit though far hardest way get ftp wuarchive wustl edu login type word binary hit return type cd mirrors rascal ics utexas edu compression hit return get stuffit expander 1 0 1 sea bin hit return course 's always possible time read stuffit expander updated name changed fails look something similar 've ftp 'd straight onto mac self extracting archive produce working copy stuffit expander double clicked 've ftp 'd mainframe unix account first , still need use modem program download mac make sure mac receiving macbinary mode mainframe sending binary mode need details last step , consult faq list comp sys mac comm manuals mainframe macintosh telecommunications software get binhex , stuffit , etc pc \? \( 2 7 \) ca n't absolutely way get executable macintosh file ftp site onto pc onto mac without software obtained means anonymous ftp must beg , borrow , steal necessary software binhex stuffit lite another person realize may among n't left parents' basement since got apple ii 1980 , eventually 're going need link human mother \( though suppose 're much nerd could send mother get \) 're gathering nerves venture strange terrifying world daylight , please n't bother net asking question simply way move executable macintosh programs pc non macintosh computer onto mac without software bundled macs troubleshooting \( posting \) things go wrong \( 3 0 \) various faq lists cover lot specific problems , far problems n't covered basic techniques follow asking help probably also perform ten step preventative maintenance routine described section four , especially rebuilding desktop \( 4 3 \) resizing system heap \( 4 5 \) following steps may may solve problem , least make easier others recommend solutions identify problem \( 3 1 \) microsoft word crashing n't say much crashed \? repeat actions lead crash \? information provide actions preceding crash likely someone help precisely 've identified problem actions preceding \( step 1 \) easier tell following steps fix problem example , sometimes 3 0 crashes coprocessor installed error nearly helpful 3 0 crashes link two text boxes master page copies text boxes already contain text former leave wondering whether bug remains given step latter lets go right problem see 's still read read file \( 3 2 \) many companies include list known incompatibilities bugs read files often n't documented manual read read files see problems sound familiar check viruses \( 3 3 \) run disinfectant another anti viral across disk virus infections people think , occur cause sorts weird problems reinstall application support files \( 3 4 \) half dozen reasons \( external magnetic fields , improperly written software , alignment planets \) file disk may contain data 's supposed contain cause types unexplained , unusual behavior restoring original masters normally fix reinstall system software \( 3 5 \) bits even likely get system file application effects disastrous see question 4 6 detailed procedure performing clean reinstall problem continues occur 've taken steps , chances 've found either conflict application software genuine bug program 's time isolate problem \( 3 6 \) need find minimal system problem assert basic steps isolating cause system application crash run one application time occasionally applications conflict problem manifest without applications running simultaneously , begin launching applications find one causes crash b 're running system 6 , turn multifinder 're running system 7 , much memory application afford sometimes programs need memory , especially performing complicated operations c 're running system 7 , turn virtual memory 32 bit addressing 's still awful lot system 7 hostile software including companies really excuse \( say microsoft word 5 1 , boys girls \? knew could \) software expresses incompatibilities certain uncommon actions taken boot virgin system floppy problem disappears likely init conflict need progressively remove extensions problem use little common sense choosing first extensions remove problem occurs try open file , remove inits mess standard file open procedure super first problem remains obvious candidates eliminated , either remove remaining extensions one time , lot , perform binary search removing half extensions time problem disappears add half recently removed set back continue 've narrowed conflict one extension think 've found offending init restart init enabled make sure alone indeed causing problem contact technical support \( 3 7 \) good idea , , conflict occurs tech support number available software , call 're lucky company work around fix available , perhaps 'll least add bug database problems fixed next release preventive maintenance \( 4 0 \) would n't drive car 100 , 000 miles without giving tune computer different regular tune ups avoid lot problems although mac mechanics 'll happy charge 75 equivalent oil change , 's reason ca n't change following nine step program performed every three months trash files \( 4 1 \) many operations follow run faster smoothly free disk space work spend little time cleaning hard disk 're like , 'll find several megabytes worth preferences files applications longer , archives software 've , shareware tried n't like , announcements events come gone many files longer need 're running system 7 may also several megabytes trash alone throw away empty trash rethink extensions \( 4 2 \) macintoshes attract inits like new suit attracts rain seriously consider whether actually need every extension collection n't use functionality extension least every fifth time boot , 're probably better storing system folder takes memory , system , slows every startup instance read pc disks month , 's need keep loaded time cutting back extension habit really help avoid crashes rebuild desktop \( 4 3 \) desktop file database holds information necessary associate file application created lets system know application launched open given file icons display depending size application one representatives desktop file applications files move hard disk , desktop file become bloated corrupt think congress mac every often 's necessary throw bums start clean slate fortunately 's easier rebuild desktop defeat incumbent one warning rebuilding desktop erase comments 've stored get info boxes system 7 maurice 's freeware init retain comments across rebuild also works system 6 apple 's desktop manager extension also installed rebuild desktop restart mac , extensions finish loading , depress command option keys 'll presented dialog box asking want rebuild desktop warning could take minutes click ok take minutes files longer take 're running system 6 may want turn multifinder trying rebuild desktop 're experiencing definite problems preventive maintenance , may want use fifth generation 's freeware init desktop reset desktop reset completely deletes desktop file rebuilding , thus eliminating possibly corrupt data structures zap pram reset clock \( 4 4 \) macs original 128k thin mac quadra 950 contain small amount battery powered ram hold certain settings properly move cpu rather disk disk boot unfortunately parameter ram become corrupted cause unexplained crashes reset system 7 hold command , option , p , r keys restarting mac system 6 hold command , option , shift keys selecting control panel apple menu click yes asked want zap parameter ram since 've erased almost settings general control panel , reset whatever want one setting pram erase date time since internal clock macintosh notoriously inaccurate 'll probably want take opportunity reset anyway resize system heap \( 4 5 \) even rethinking extensions per step two people still least half row icons march across bottom screen every time restart extensions \( applications \) need space section memory called system heap system heap n't big enough comfortably accommodate programs want piece , start playing king mountain system heap , knocking get bigger pieces trying climb back get knocked fighting amongst programs severely degrades system performance almost inevitably crashes mac 're using system 7 , macintosh automatically resize system heap necessary 're running system 6 's important set system heap size large enough manage extensions applications default size set 128k , way small macs extensions system heap size stored normally non boot blocks every system disk bill steinberg 's freeware utility lets resize system heap even checks much memory heap already using tell much needs allocated 're running system 6 , get , use , amazed infrequently macintosh crashes reinstall system software \( 4 6 \) system files become corrupt fragmented , especially 've stored lots fonts desk accessories inside merely updating system software often fix system file corruption recommend clean reinstall 's 1 boot installer floppy system disks 2 copy non standard fonts desk accessories system file temporary 3 trash system file hard disk also trash finder , multifinder , da handler , standard apple extensions like control panel chooser replaced new installation 're running installing system 7 , move everything extensions , control panels , preferences folders top level system folder 4 rename system folder name system folder fine 5 double click installer script system disk choose customize select appropriate software model mac printer could easy install instead , add lot extensions code n't need waste memory disk space 6 installation finished , move everything temporary folder created step 4 new system folder 're asked want replace anything , forgot take something step 3 'll need replace things individually find duplicate piece 7 reinstall fonts da 's removed step 2 8 reboot clean , defragmented system file takes less memory disk space much stable system overall disk utilities \( 4 7 \) much like system files hard disks data structures occasionally become corrupted affecting performance even causing data loss apple includes disk first aid , simple utility detecting repairing hard disk problems , system disks 's also available anonymous ftp ftp apple com directory dts mac sys soft even earlier version , get latest version \( 7 1 \) ftp apple com run hard disks several companies released payware disk utilities detect repair considerably problems disk first aid though , interestingly , none detect repair everything disk first aid three effective general work central point 's mactools deluxe 2 0 , fifth generation 's public , symantec 's norton utilities macintosh 2 0 department work group well disk first aid since none fix everything others individuals mactools \( 48 street \) half price norton \( 94 street \) public utilities \( 98 street \) , features ease use roughly equal , recommend mactools products occasionally encounter problems ca n't fix happens 's time backup \( 4 7 \) reformat \( 4 9 \) backing \( 4 8 \) one part preventative maintenance done lot often every three months simplest back merely copy files hard disk onto floppies removable media keep data files separate application support files 's easy back folders change frequently nonetheless every three months complete backup hard disk number programs available make backing easier apple included basic full backup application system 6 performas apple ships new apple backup utility backup entire disk system folder onto floppies previously mentioned norton utilities mac mactools deluxe 2 0 include powerful floppy backup utilities incorporate compression incremental backups finally 're lucky enough tape drive , network server , removable media device use backups , check powerful payware utilities \( 49 street , n't support tape drives \) pro \( 74 street \) freely available backup utilities old hd backup system 6 disk defragmentation \( 4 9 \) disks fill gets harder harder find enough free space place write large files therefore operating system often split larger files pieces stored different places hard disk files become fragmented performance degrade several ways defragment hard disk tedious cheapest method backup files , erase hard disk \( might well reformat 're see question 4 10 \) , restore files number payware utilities including norton utilities mac mac tools deluxe defragment disk place , e without erasing although ads products brag safety , 've bought software opened shrink wrap warn back disk case something go wrong freeware shareware disk please n't annoy net asking one reformat hard disk \( 4 10 \) floppy disk needs initialized use , hard disk must formatted hold data n't need reformat every three months system crashing matter try , reformatting ultimate means wiping slate clean reformatting hard disk may even gain extra megabytes space hard disks created equal hold data others facilitate mass production advertising without lot \( 81 3 megabytes average formatted capacity mileage may vary \) apple often formats drives lowest common denominator drive capacity reformat 's reason reclaim whatever unused space apple 's left disk unlike floppies hard disks need special program initialize hard disks come formatting software apple 's disks system software ship hd sc setup , minimal disk format apple brand hard drives manufacturers ship appropriate formatting software hard drives normally need reformat hard disk number general purpose also available go beyond bundled software include features like encryption , password protection , multiple , faster disk access , system 7 compatibility , even compression two best payware drive7 hard disk toolkit personal edition \( 49 street either \) one two freeware available , none likely superior ones bundled hard disk powerbook users sure turn sleep processor cycling reformatting hard drives matter software use otherwise disk corruption , crashes , data losses good possibility elliotte rusty harold department mathematics shiva njit edu new jersey institute technology erh0362 tesla njit edu newark , nj
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject windows nt und x windows \? organization texas instruments inc lines 30 acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu \( kan mongwa \) writes article 1993apr29 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes 1993apr26 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de \( hein \) writes sure whether right area , anybody know whether windows nt include x windows server run x window applications remotely \? , could add information 'non say instance source information copy n't microsoft says release version , either asked told thanks 're welcome insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
uucp mailhost ecn uoknor edu \( bryan oakley \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization faa mike aeronautical center distribution lines 25 article 1r3jl5 igh function mps ohio state edu , nevai mps ohio state edu \( paul nevai \) yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul paul nevai nevai mps ohio state edu dept math ohio state university 1 614 292 3317 \( office \) columbus , ohio 43210 1174 , u 1 614 292 1479 \( math dept fax \) well , n't exaclty know done , keep cpu turn monitor use much power consumption anything though turning monitor use advantage requiring less ram screen saver \( requires memory remember turn pretty easy remember turn though \) instrument approach procedures automation dot faa ami 230 bryan oakley mailhost ecn uoknor edu
jp vllyoak resun com \( jeff perry \) subject 1994 mustang organization private site san marcos , california lines 26 jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu \( got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? everything 've read correct , ford nothing skinning existing mustang , minor suspension modifications pictures 've seen indicate n't good job new mustang , nothing cycle 20 year old car saw picture '94 mustang popular mechanics disappointment bombarded pictures mach iii jp
otter hpl hp com \( tom gardner \) subject radio freq used measure distance \? organization hewlett packard laboratories , bristol , uk lines 24 sci electronics , rgc3679 bcstec ca boeing com \( robert g carpenter \) writes i'm wondering 's possible use radio waves measure distance transmitter \( \) receiver \? yes 's called radar seems able measure signal strength determine distance would short distances \( 2000 ft \) , would need accuracy 6 inches , depends environment static yes , dynamic environment \( objects moving \) kills concept measuring vertical distance well , chance getting ridiculous \? difference vertical horizontal \? frequencies would best \? matter \? depends required range , required accuracy , allowable ambiguity range , frequencies fcc \( etc \) allow use
deepak expert cc purdue edu \( deepak \) subject stdout stderr program organization purdue university computing center lines 13 hi , anyone know redirect stdout stderr program callback function x \? program fork \( \) child process guess ca n't use pipes anyone help \? thanks , deepak
9130037 golum riv csu edu au \( chan yin mei \) subject help ! colour display restriction limitation originator 9130037 golum riv csu edu au organization charles sturt university riverina , wagga wagga , nsw , australia lines 29 hi netters , i'm project image analysis firstly , find restrictions limitations colour display various kind workstations , decstation , hp , amiga , apollo secondly , read graphic texts image displayed 24 bites \( please point got wrong \) , images deal displayed 16 bites software using currently , problems display x windows future \? thinking implement gui x windows project person help solve problem query \? , give advice suggestion find please send e mail thanks advance christine chan address 9130037 golum riv csu edu au
access digex com \( carl aron \) subject waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility organization national cheng kung university cc guest 1 edu tw lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net i'm sure thread popped , 've never thought waiting periods anything training competence ca n't valid reason gun ca n't wait days think plenty bad reasons wanting waiting period want buy gun kill right , 've crossed state line buy gun illegally ca n't afford spend night , etc i'm big fan guns , feel important guard american 's rights hand , license regulate many things without seriously anyones constitutional rights carl
odysseus \( aaron walker \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 nntp posting host odysseus organization mae lines 32 article news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes another survivor claims heard someone shouting fire 's started ! odd terminology 's one says know fire planned , one occurs accident 's also say 're waiting end come fiery apocalypse thought personally , fire set \( either side \) , wonder timing koresh co set fires , wait six hours wall bashing tear gassing starting anything new happened around point \? similarly , fbi going torch place \( fake , course \) , wait long , would n't reasonable believe bd 's would set fire early assault began \? plausible \( \) explaination accidental starting fire tanks among things , say listening radio fire started reporter \( watching distance , course \) said looked like least one tanks penetrated farther building previously specifically , said one tank apparently halfway \( half tank 's \) building previously feet judgement , aaron
edmoore vcd hp com \( ed moore \) subject lcd vga display organization hewlett packard vcd x newsreader tin version 1 1 9 pl6 lines 5 've computer 21 months reasonable life cycle lcd display \? toshiba lcd \( cga , 1986 \) died 11 months replaced 12 month warranty , fortunately died , died instantly completely
rochester ny us \( mr \( private account \) \) subject vasectomy health effects women \? reply rochester ny us organization private uucp site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 25 28 apr 93 20 54 04 gmt yang earlham edu wrote article 1993apr27 nic csu net , nermal santarosa edu \( eric \) writes anyone know studies done long term health effects man 's vasectomy female partner \? 've heard studies , speculation earth would effect women 's health \? 's absurd idea 've heard since ted kaldis 's claim 35 , 000 people would march washington ok , one point greatly reduced chance pregnancy 's josh well , might another since i'm sterile wife enjoy sex without fear getting pregnant \) , \( \( \) \( \) \( \( \) \( uucp rutgers ! ur ! ! compu erve internet rochester ny us ,
cayley plains nodak edu \( michele cayley \) subject new religion forming sign nntp posting host plains nodak edu organization north dakota higher education computing network lines 10 mistaken alt drugs used recruit people worldwide pot religion , however problem death dupont free bobby fischer michele cayley mom , sue johan \( drunken naked genius large \)
jmann vineland pubs stratus com \( jim mann \) subject apology article organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 26 reply jmann vineland pubs stratus com nntp posting host pubs stratus com article grabiner germain harvard edu writes subject kinds bias , almost completely useless first basemen raw stats , way tell first baseman 's putouts made throws fielders , made plays likewise , ca n't tell whether double play 6 4 3 3 6 3 fielding runs thus gives first baseman credit putouts double plays , assists errors putouts biased yet another way range thing makes good ability field sorts balls thrown digging dirt , stretching others , forth important thus , putouts provide information maybe need comparision many balls thrown area first baseman vs many actually got jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com
hartman informix com \( robert hartman \) subject info colonics purification \? organization informix software , inc lines 41 article minerva cis yale edu wiesel elisha yale edu \( elisha wiesel \) writes recently 've come upon body literature promotes colon cleansing vital aid preventive medicine nutrition doubt sci med folks getting i'm rather certain information got medical literature accepted academic scientific journals , righteous among doubt jump also , insofar n't conform accepted medical presumption n't matter eat , think gi tract black box nothing ever goes wrong \( except maybe cancer ulcers \) , righteous doubt jump 'll ones call doctor raving quack , even though , like linus , lucid robust well nineties nevermind n't charge equipment supplies , since 're doubt approved fda course , fda approval md pharmaceutical company charge whatever get safe effective treatments nevermind either unfortunately , dared step sacred turf net medical discussion without without understanding righteous among make certain suitably denounced dismissing fool maybe somebody without huge chip shoulder send reasonable responses e mail 1 2 \) 1 2 \( oh yes , point years ago md thriving practice wealthy part silicon valley recommended take treatments clear skin condition \( office , might add \) although i'm sure 's conclusive , sure unusual prescription ! r
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject live free , quietly , die organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 26 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) wrote shz mare att com \( keeper 'tude \) writes egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes know sounds ludicrous biker advocate restrictions biking biking forum , n't mean former motorcyclist \? read one two ways 1 \) ed 2 \) motorcyclist like alcoholic \( 're alcoholic , 're always alcoholic least 's friends position know tell \) tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 22 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article 1993apr26 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes oxygen \( like vagina \) much stuff lay press l acidophilus vaginal yeast infections , i'm really amazed someone done clinical trial yet check 've mentioned study couple times ingestion yogurt containing lactobacillus acidophilus prophylaxis candidal , annals internal medicine , 3 1 92 116 \( 5 \) 353 7 problem study used yogurt rather capsules lactobacillus \( even though positive results \) \? study crossover trial daily ingestion 8 ounces yogurt marked decrease infections women ingesting yogurt problems study included small numbers \( 33 patients enrolled \) many protocol violations \( 21 patients analyzed \) still , difference rates infection two groups large study remains fairly believable david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
arshad co uk \( arshad \) subject monitor freq xfree86 \( repost \) organization siemens nixdorf information systems ltd x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 23 need advice regarding monitor use xfree86 et4000 based graphic card 1 meg memory know card supported xfree86 friend mine one pc monitor 17 colour capable displaying 1280x1024 resolution cant afford kind expensive monitor heard somewhere xfree86 requires multisync monitor minimum horizontal scan frequency true \? would like use xfree86 resolution 800x600 256 colours thinking buying cheap 14 svga monitor interlaced \( cheap \) 14 svga monitors maximum horizontal scan frequency kind monitor work xfree86 \? please reply email advance arshad arshad tel siemens nixdorf information systems limited fax siemens nixdorf house email arshad sni co uk , bracknell berkshire england
zero cypher com \( \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? nntp posting host zero cypher com organization cypher technologies lines 18 article black demon co uk tchannon black demon co uk writes one wild difference two printers laserprinter page printer whilst inkjet line printer means laserprinter rotate graphic images whilst inkjet cannot drivers actually use facility \( also matter downloadable fonts \) tc e mail tchannon black demon co uk tchannon cix compulink co uk deskjet 500 thought 'd give little info deskjet 500 landscape mode like hp ca n't say though also deskjet downloadable fonts buy memory cart oh ! said laserjet rotate graphic image ! hmmmmm ! deskjet rotate text nevermind !
hardy u washington edu \( gordon rubenfeld \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction article shelley organization university washington lines 92 nntp posting host hardy u washington edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes candida blooms following use broad spectrum antibiotics \? rubenfeld , e mail , assured physicians recognize chance candida blooms occuring broad spectrum antibiotic use therefore reinnoculate patients good bacteria restore candida body believe yet standard part medical practice mine tried explain marty clearly understood antibiotic exposure risk factor fungal infections saying bacteria prevent fungal infections marty made sound like secret known anyone treated urinary tract infection centers pre op liver transplant patients receive bowel directed retaining good flora attempt prevent fungal colonization soon high risk group also use lactobacillus treat nutrition associated diarrhea \( may part due alterations gut flora \) however , part routine practice reinnoculate patients good bacteria antibiotics seen data practice preventing treating fungal infections risk patients whether logical extension available observations 'll leave base strong opinions argue speculations absence clinical trials one place therapy described treating particularly cases c colitis \( fungal infection \) case reports using stool \( ie someone elses \) patients flora n't try home give give advise use otc anti fungal creams since candida primarily ano rectal area , gi symptoms common vaginal problems broad spectrum antibiotic use except n't least apparent disease medicine , probalby never , practiced way always use conventional wisdom good example kidney stones conventional wisdom \( clinical trails done come effective prevention \) , restricitng intake calcium oxalates best way prevent kidney stones forming clinical trials focused drugs ultrasonic blasts breakdown stone formed recent new england j medicine article , know conventional wisdom wrong , increasing calcium intake better preventing stone formation restricting calcium intake seems like excellent argument ignoring anecdotal conventional wisdom \( euphemism data \) good clinical trial , like au w e wade j lee j b k j ti randomized , double blind trial nystatin therapy candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome see comments n engl j med 1990 dec 20 323 \( 25 \) p 23 psychological tests results three active treatment regimens placebo regimen significantly reduced vaginal systemic symptoms \( p less 0 001 \) , nystatin reduce systemic symptoms significantly placebo conclusions women presumed candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome , nystatin reduce systemic psychological symptoms significantly placebo consequently , empirical recommendation long term nystatin therapy women appears unwarranted trial address every issue raised , jon noring surprised negative trial since n't use sporanox \( despite crook 's recommendation nystatin \) maybe n't avoid carbohydrates conventional wisdom animal husbandry animals need good bacteria coming antibiotic therapy makes sense livestock , n't make sense humans david \? talking dangerous treatment \( unless consider yogurt dangerous \) standard part medical practice , gordon r says , incidence gi distress vaginal yeast infections decline marty , 've also changed terrain discussion empiric itraconazole undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis systemic hypersensitivity symptoms \( noring syndrome \) yoghurt vitamin therapy undocumented candida \( elaine palmer syndrome \) systemic symptoms significant difference cost risk two empiric therapeutic trials talking real candida infections , whole yeast connection hypothesis , efficacy routine bacterial humans , ability anecdotally effective therapies \( challenged negative randomized trial \) confirm hypothesis \( post hoc ergo propter hoc \) ca n't seem focus disease , therapy , hypothesis discussion i'm lost !
rmalayte moliere helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? organization university notre dame , notre dame lines 22 article 0010580b diablo uucp diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) writes 've trying figure way get adobe illustrator auto trace exactly see screen misses edges templates many 6 pixels resulting images useless need exact tracing , approximate 've tried adjusting freehand tolerances well autotrace tolerances n't help suggestions \? buy adobe streamline problem solved college men get smashed break something , college women get smashed get broken robin wilson president , ryan p malayter chico state university 332 stanford hall notre dame , 46556 n dept physics comp sci malayter nd edu
rick howtek mv com \( rick roy \) subject koresh dead 's time start healing organization howtek , inc reply rick howtek mv com \( rick roy \) x mailer uaccess macintosh release 1 6v2 lines 9 sorry , wanted first hypocrite say hope i'm late everyone watching local national politicians \? rick rick roy usenet rick howtek mv com america online qed disclaimer employer 's views orthogonal early bird got worms
zellner stsci edu subject temperature dark sky lines 36 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 1993apr28 princeton edu , richmond spiff princeton edu \( stupendous man \) writes \( henry spencer \) writes anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? henry , read correctly , may asking put blackbody interstellar space \( sun nearby large warm objects' \) , reach thermal equilibrium ambient radiation field \? 's case , let point interstellar dust molecules provide many instances things , well , far blackbodies many different observations , including iras cobe , determined interstellar dust grain temperatures range 40k 150k yes , 's interstellar grains poor radiators , remotely black bodies consequence lot warmer ambient inside disk galaxy , temperature varies quite bit place place \( close nearest ob association , would guess \) outside galaxy , course , things n't varied graduate school , long time ago , used 10 , 000 deg k dilution factor 10 4 representative values energy background galaxy due starlight ben
rutgers edu \( mark j \) subject cd 's sale distribution usa organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 15 article 1993apr22 en ecn purdue edu davisonj en ecn purdue edu \( john davison \) writes article 1993apr21 leland stanford edu leland stanford edu \( ryan \) writes paid 19 95 cd , 're fool got ripped please tell get cd music label less 20 , john davison davisonj ecn purdue edu 's special label , discs going upwards 6 retail outlets average prices cds \? mark
uxa cso uiuc edu \( richard \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? organization university illinois urbana lines 6 appsoft image available nextstep image processing program similar adobe photoshop reviewed april '93 issue publish ! magazine
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject help adding scsi drive originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 52 couple points article 1993apr22 27323 physchem ox ac uk , mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) writes article 1993apr19 195301 oracle us oracle com , ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes 1 buy scsi contoler one \? know adaptec good , kind expensive good boards 100 region \? want compatible os2 unix possible also , seen net scsi scsi2 drives true \? adapter need drive \? type drive quantum \? tried others , think adaptec best value money adaptec 1542b happy 2 connect drive adapter via scsi cable power cable worry power supply \? think 200 watts i'm powering two floppies seagate drive dont think mix two types drive , unless one scsi ide cards available turn ide ! ide box use disks time , eg ide scsi disk copy well seems anythiing i'm forgetting \? help really appreciated , i'm lost eric ebosco us oracle com mark mark uk ac ox physchem well , one statement one correction ! guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
sdcc14 ucsd edu \( barnes \) subject zx 11 help ! organization university california , san diego lines 16 nntp posting host sdcc14 ucsd edu need help getting zx 11 \( c3 \) behave 've managed get front suspension happy , rear sucks ca n't anything make feel ok bike stable corners \( think front right \) , straights get bumpy rear feels like actually bumps n't seem anything real life , although tell difference bike n't moving 've tried 4 5 cm sag \( unloaded \) , n't know way go anyone gotten rear bike comfortable \? , kind settings \( esp sag \) use like corner , also would like kidneys remain intact thing makes new zx 7 feel sdcc13 ucsd edu
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject turbo , turbo cd forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 7 turbo 16 game system add cd rom system forsale want sell turbo , turbo cd , turbo pad , 's book ii \( cd \) 100 'll split h charges please reply e mail jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
scott skidmore edu \( lost \) subject car ! \? organization skidmore college , saratoga springs ny lines 8 never factory v8 considering production turbo \( twin turbo , forget \) version standard v6 produced , got ! jonathan scott skidmore edu
reef cis ufl edu \( john young \) subject cd singles sale organization univ florida cis dept lines 41 nntp posting host reef cis ufl edu list \( mostly \) european 5 cd singles sale brand new still shrink wrapped please e mail interested crowded house weather w 3 remixes 10 peter gabriel blood eden w 12 pg booklet 8 00 mercy street 10 genesis never time w dreaming sleep \( live \) turn \( 1992 live \) tonight , tonight , tonight \( full version live \) 10 brian may much love kill w much love kill \( guitar version \) 2 10 r e radio song 3 live green world tour 10 r e shiny happy people w 40 song losing religion \( live acoustic version \) 10 r e near wild heaven w tom 's diner low live 10 r e man moon w 3 non lp tracks organ new orleans instrumental 2 arms love 10 r e sleeps tonite w 2 non lp tracks lions sleeps tonight 10 r e sleeps tonite w 2 non lp tracks organ song star kitten \( demo version \) 10 r e everybody hurts \( edit \) w new orleans instrumental 1 \( long version \) mandolin 10 r e everybody hurts \( edit \) w 2 non lp tracks chance \( \) dark globe 10 sting ever lose faith w 3 songs mtv unplugged ! time mad every breath take 10 sting ever lose faith form 12 u2 sunday bloody sunday w remixes two hearts beat one new year 's day 10 u2 fire ep w three sort love comes bass trap 10 u2 's gonna ride wild horses w paint black \( \) ca n't help falling love \( triple peaks \) 10 neil young harvest moon \( single edit \) w deep forbidden lake 8
dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com \( dave medin \) subject tran tube reply dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com organization intergraph corporation , huntsville al lines 13 've got \( \) unused transmitter tube sale best offer far 125 's getting close 'll sell hamfest prices 200 250 works , guaranteed original packaging dave medin phone \( 205 \) 730 3169 \( w \) ssd networking \( 205 \) 837 1174 \( h \) intergraph corp gd3004 internet dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com huntsville , al 35894 uucp uunet ! ingr ! b30 ! catbyte ! dtmedin opinions expressed mine \( machine \)
leo bsuvc bsu edu subject two sport star trivia ! organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 20 's two sport star trivia questions 'll admit 're difficult , bit challenging nevertheless mail answers please post 1 pitcher played harlem \? 2 major briefly tried professional golf 1978 \? 3 sanders \( professionally \) career triples \? 4 player pro hockey baseball \? , name years played two sport star tidbits , feel free include mike
v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) subject waco burning organization university buffalo lines 58 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes article dscomsa desy de , hallam zeus02 desy de writes snip anyone u heard anything similar u government spin doctors censoring information \? b b c news also reporting 20 died british citizens b b c also reporting bodies b members found bullet wounds manner suggests may shot attempting leave compound fire possibility bodies people killed initial shootout phill hallam baker imagine happens magazine explodes \? bullets go flying every imho , gunshot wounds actually caused magazines went texas ranger pathologist make , 'll wait autopsy determine shot first would doubt bullets would go flying particular force make bullet leave scene cartridge going outside barrel brass shell would burst soon give bullet real velocity would n't want near , think bullet wounds would result shrapnel wounds would likely least understanding necessarily body denatured \( cooked \) dehydrated due heat , projectile needs minimal kinetic force penetrate fire , bodies tend fall apart loose large chunks meat little effort medical examiners tend like cleaning scenes , body suitably cooked , bullet comming magazine explosion would likely enough force enter thus would difficult determine whether bullet entered time death , much later , unless trained look evidence texas rangers either way , 're dead fbi atty gen still yep , least large part jmd handheld com p vasilion
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject boot sometimes fails organization george washington university lines 27 article 11 0 csir co za csir co za \( dominique \) writes dos 5 never used area e000 efff , well others cards use \( lan card \) , might get problem use x e000 efff emm386 exe line config sys run memmaker instruct retain inclusions speaking comp e000 efff something nature system ini file system file windows wondering line windows startup file better , give memory dos apps , disable run windows \? \( actually , think line also system 1 file \) peace , mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
ree88132 zach fit edu \( keith ledig \) subject needed 120v fan nntp posting host zach fit edu organization florida institute technology , melbourne , fl usa lines 14 someone tell find 3 watt 40 fans fit standard computer mounting size \) ie 3 1 8 inch wide 4 inches diagonal hole hole \( hole bolt screw goes found higher \( noisy \) fans 120 v 6 watt , need quite fan use 12 volt well , found 12 volt fans noisy also find 120 v fans quieter , blade shape lot dead fan quiet 's day long blades \( like fan blades engine jet way describe dead fan model actually 's dead , makes hideous rattle noise 's qualities void thanks
kimbark uchicago edu \( nathan \) subject deadly \? \? \? reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 25 originally posted alt suicide holiday recommended try guys instead friend insists ny quil deadly enough taken suggested something like 20 30 night time would someone normal user ny quil \) , checked hard time believing 250 g acetaminophen 30 mg hcl 10 mg 6 25 mg \( per \) someone settle bet \( package ny quil course \) effect would 20 30 babies \? nathan inter silent worship email midway uchicago edu
cs ucsd edu \( mike \) subject espn thumbs ! ! organization cse dept , u c san diego lines 11 nntp posting host tartarus ucsd edu article 1993apr20 wkuvx1 bitnet kozloce wkuvx1 bitnet writes ! \( oh guess score 7 0 penguins ! switch games ! ! ! \) guess game espn showing area thursday yep , pens devils many interesting series , cares mario \? \? \? mike
spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) subject men get yeast infections \? organization u c berkeley erl lines 9 distribution na nntp posting host zion berkeley edu woman told doctor told could catch , , yeast infection , give back , causing probably bogus , , 's another reason use latex steve
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization university pittsburgh lines 22 article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? sounds like someone pulling leg one way pregnancy occur intercourse days however also artificial insemination implantation techniques , 're speaking natural acts possible pregnancy occur semen deposited outside vagina \( e \) , 's far get clothes way better go talk biology teacher kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject tn3270 support xterm \? lines 2 tn3270 program support xterm \? n't like x3270 ca n't copy windows thanks
cam hawk oz au \( master \) subject mcelwaine faq keywords faq r e mcelwaine organization australian defence industries lines 24 sbooth lonestar utsa edu \( simon e booth \) writes article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes i'm sure amazes fact someone would go trouble write mcelwaine fact someone would post something repeatedly says n't posted 's moot anyway net access privileges revoked last week josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal mcelwaine got access revoked \? finally ! ! ! ! say could n't done rid net mcelwaine , anything possible simon oh , n't worry , i'm sure 'll back !
scherf netcom com \( steve scherf \) subject sale altos 2000 unix machine organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca lines 273 altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com newsgroups ba market misc , ba market computers , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , misc forsale computers subject sale altos 2000 unix machine summary expires references distribution organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca keywords altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com newsgroups ba market misc , ba market computers , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , misc forsale computers subject sale altos 2000 unix machine organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com newsgroups ba market misc , ba market computers , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , misc forsale computers subject sale altos 2000 unix machine summary expires references sender followup distribution organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca keywords altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com newsgroups ba market misc , ba market computers , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , misc forsale computers subject sale altos 2000 unix machine organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com newsgroups ba market misc , ba market computers , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , misc forsale computers subject sale altos 2000 unix machine summary expires references sender followup distribution organization moondog software , sunnyvale , ca keywords altos 2000 system v 3 unix system sale \( actually two , one 's \) several years ago well known machines sold 30 , 000 base configuration particular one much base configuration , depending want 386 16 mhz cpu 8 meg ram fifteen \( 15 \) serial ports \( want \) ! multidrop port 256 serial ports ! ethernet 5 25 floppy drive qic 24 cartridge tape drive 170 meg esdi hard drive \( either micropolis cdc , want \) unix system v 3 installation networking software package \( tcp ip \) development system software package \( c compiler libraries \) asking 700 \( firm \) system ! want another ethernet serial card , add 50 additional disks 100 \( install total three esdi drives \) would consider trade scsi dat tape drive box would make great bbs system terminal server originally designed service 40 active users , 70 moderately active users pc ! designed unix box start , 's fast exceptionally reliable 's dimensions approximately 2 5' high \( tower \) , 8 wide 2 deep interested dealing someone local enough come pick shipping way much hassle call wish , send email steve scherf \( 408 \) 736 2093 home \( 408 \) 559 5616 work steve moonsoft com scherf swdc stratus com steve scherf ceo moondog software steve zeppelin moonsoft com
tal michael wtm utrc utc com subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host lestat organization utrc lines 37 article mekenkamp 6 stpc wi leidenuniv nl mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl \( leo mekenkamp \) writes brian grier \( bjgrier bnr ca \) wrote computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception excuse \? one people enjoy working w win \? come talk house mate mine tell productive life encountered yet another sudden appearence dos prompt cutting pasting win ! empty win screen without tasks running \( e esc brings empty list , progman done \) leo 's starboard bow , leo mekenkamp scrape 'em jim ! 53 6 ' ` lz leiden netherlands ` ' 071 \( \) \( \) ' ` mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl ` ` ` ' ' ' leo wi leidenuniv nl progman ini ye \? i'm 've tuning system , 's way remember getting blank screen ctrl esc one progman ini parameters 0 3 , ca n't remember 've never seen win 3 something like , captain tal
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tanner cerritos edu subject posted gif bmw r100s organization cerritos college , norwalk ca lines 26 would care see close ups different angles , post others b p also would happy submit one cerritos someone wants write tell would prefer picture since motorcycles n't post , rather similar looking \( e r100s 's alike different \) , people ultimately interesting archive policy txt already picture machine readable format \( gif preferred \) , ftp cerritos edu account password , binary mode notify mail mail uuencoded tanner cerritos edu please include one two line description inclusion txt btw , charlie smith 's pictures available sea bass sears scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu dod 516 stanley , id interestingly , 've stanley , id motorcycle nice little town , nice road getting bruce bruce tanner \( 310 \) 860 x 596 tanner cerritos edu cerritos college norwalk , ca dod nomad 007
mothra nts uci edu \( keith chong \) subject lexus infiniti nntp posting host mothra nts uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 31 article 1993apr23 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first , correct spelling nissan 's luxury automobile division infiniti infinity would also like clear question kind engines power lexus infiniti automobiles , since person remarked earlier posts lexus infiniti models v6 engines , time saying several manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 gs300 sc300 inline 6 infiniti q45 v8 v6 g20 inline 4 \( must admit cannot remeber sure \) inline 4 correct hope helps keith
lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) subject 's roger \? organization wayne state university , detroit mi u lines 25 nntp posting host cms cc wayne edu article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes unfortunately , roger r baseball spewing expertise \( e dickhead \) guess afraid posting anything , knows expect john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu hey , could start new game net 's called 's roger \? ' 's similiar 's waldo \? ' instead finding waldo picture people , try find roger newsgroup net predict 'll r basketball pro next laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! ! !
paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) subject dogs nntp posting host harley tti com organization black belt motorcyclists association lines 27 article 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes article c5pntm 8co cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes tactic depends effectiveness dog 's conformance psychological norm may actually apply particular dog 've tried success , wo n't work charlie manson dog one 's really , really stupid large irish setter taught yard \( apparently territory \) one day i'm sure playing game game probably kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages look , worried attacked dog , carry spot remover \) russian fun 5 6 times paul blumstein , paulb harley tti com , dod 36 , abate , ama , hog , doh 2 kd6laa , marc , arrl , platypus 240 , qrp arpci , naswa , lwca , rcma \( cala905 \) transaction technology , inc , santa monica , ca
nfotis ntua gr \( nick c fotis \) subject \( 27 apr 93 \) computer graphics resource listing weekly part 3 3 lines reply nfotis theseas ntua gr \( nick \( nikolaos \) fotis \) organization national technical univ athens archive name graphics resources list part3 last modified 1993 04 27 computer graphics resource listing weekly posting part 3 3 last change 27 april 1993 11 scene generators geographical data maps data files dems \( digital elevation models \) dems \( digital elevation models \) well cartographic data huge available spectrum xerox com 192 70 225 78 , pub map contact lee moore webster research center , xerox corp voice 1 \( 716 \) 422 arpa , internet moore xerox com check also ucsb edu \( 128 111 254 105 \) , pub dems nfotis many files also available cd rom usgs 1 2 , 000 , 000 scale digital line graph \( dlg \) data contains 50 states price 28 , call visit offices menlo park , reston , virginia \( 800 usa maps \) data user services division bureau census also data cd rom \( tso standard format \) derived usgs 1 100 , 000 map data call \( 301 \) 763 4100 info bbs \( 301 \) 763 1568 dr dobbs 198 march 1993 u defense mapping agency , cooperation counterpart agencies canada , u k , australia , released digital chart world \( \) chart consists 1 5 gigabytes reasonable quality vector data distributed four cd roms includes , rivers , roads , , airports , cities , towns , spot elevations , depths , 100 , 000 place names compatible 200 00 available u geological survey p box denver federal center denver , co digital distribution services energy , mines , resources canada 615 booth street ottawa , canada director general military survey \( survey 3 \) avenue , middlesex united kingdom director survey , australian army department defense campbell park offices \( 4 24 \) campbell act australia fractal landscape generators public domain many people written fractal landscape generators example mac generators written pdbourke ccu1 aukuni ac nz \( paul bourke \) many programs available ftp sites mail archive servers check archie commercial vista pro 3 0 amiga virtual reality labs list price 100 address court san luis obispo , ca telephone fax \( 805 \) 545 8515 scenery animator \( also amiga \) caliber vista pro 2 check natural graphics p box 1963 , ca phone \( 916 \) 624 n't forget ask companion programs data disks tapes vista pro 3 ported pcs cia world map ii note database quite date , structured need standard world cartographic data , wait digital chart world 1 1m database produced defense mapping agency 's available , together searching viewing software , number cd roms later summer check hanauma stanford edu ucsd edu \( see ftp list \) cia database consists , rivers political boundaries form line strokes also hanauma stanford edu array elevation data , containing one ieee floating point number every half degree longitude latitude program decoding database , , found machine arc umn edu \( 137 66 130 11 \) 's another program , reads compressed cia data bank file builds phigs structure uses phigs extension known polyline sets performance , use regular polylines ask joe stewart joes lpi liant com raw data stanford require package able view \( posted comp sources unix \) exact , 'll compile routines , whole package ncar data ncar \( national center atmospheric research \) many types terrain data , ranging elevation datasets various resolutions , information soil types , vegetation , etc data free charge 40 90 , depending data volume media \( exabyte tape , cartridge , 9 track tape , ibm pc floppy , ftp transfer available \) data archive mostly research oriented , hobbyist oriented information , email ncar ucar edu unc data tapes data 2 public domain tapes data comparison testing various volume rendering algorithms \( mainly mri ct scans \) tapes distributed softlab unc chapel hill \( softlab cs unc edu \) data sets \( volume ii \) also available via anonymous ftp omicron cs unc edu 128 109 136 159 pub softlab chvrtd nasa many us agencies nasa publish cd roms many data various space missions , eg viking mars , magellan venus , etc especially nasa , would suggest call following address info national space science date center goddard space flight center greenbelt , maryland 20771 telephone \( 301 \) 286 6695 email address request nssdca gsfc nasa gov data catalog \( data \) available online internet users telnet nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( 128 183 10 4 \) log 'nodis' \( password \) also dial \( 301 \) 286 9000 \( 300 , 1200 , 2400 baud , 8 bits , parity , one stop \) enter number prompt , enter md carriage return system responds call complete , enter carriage returns get username log 'nodis' \( password \) nssdca also anonymous ftp site , comprehensive list 's available present earth sciences data 's listing anonymous ftp sites earth science data , including imagery listing called earth sciences resources internet , get via anonymous ftp csn org 128 138 213 21 directory name internet resources earth sci sites include soest hawaii edu 128 171 151 121 pub avhrr images avhrr images ames arc nasa gov 128 102 18 3 pub space cdrom images magellan viking missions etc pub space index contains listing files available whole archive \( index 200k \) 's also e mail server people without internet access send letter archive server ames arc nasa gov \( ames ! archive server \) subject letter \( body \) , use commands like send space index send space shuttle 23 91 \( capitalization important ! text files handled email server present \) larc nasa gov 128 155 23 47 pub gifs misc landsat landsat photos gif jpeg format shut nfotis anyone copy archive \? \? others daily values river discharge , , daily weather data available , central ave , boulder co 80301 disks expensive , around 500 , quantity discounts \( 303 \) 938 check vmd cso uiuc edu 128 174 5 98 , wx directory carries data regarding surface analysis , weather radar , sat view pics gif format \( updated hourly \) pioneer unm edu 129 24 9 217 space planetary image facility \( located university new mexico campus \) ftp server provides anonymous ftp access 150 cd roms data images disk earthquake data , , gravity , info available \( national geophysical data center \) , 325 broadway , boulder , co 80303 \( 303 \) 497 \( least us \) sells landsat mss data older two years old 200 per scene , talking similar deal landsat tm data mss data 4 bands , 80 meter resolution check anonymous ftp ftp ncsa uiuc edu unix alpha shape tool creates convex alpha shapes \( generalization convex hull \) 3d point sets grips ii \( gov raster image processing software \) cd rom available cd rom inc 1 800 821 49 code viewing \( arc raster graphics \) files available grips ii cd rom u army engineer labs \( juan perez \) code also available via ftp \( zip archive spectrum xerox com \) range data , l three dimensional image data files , tech report , , national research council canada , ottawa , canada , 1988 understand , data laser range finder , copy research purposes 12 3d scanners digitized 3d data cyberware labs , monterey , ca , manufactures 3d color laser digitizer used model parts , complete , human body run service bureau also , digitize models address cyberware labs , inc 8 harris ct , suite 3d monterey , ca phone \( 408 \) 373 1441 , fax \( 408 \) 373 b makes 6d input device \( actually couple models \) senses position \( 3d \) orientation \( 3d \) based electromagnetic field interference equipment also incorporated vpl hardware also called , aerospace ascension technology makes similar 3d input device company , applied sciences \( \? \) , makes 3d input device \( position \) based speed sound triangulation c company specializes digitizing viewpoint ask viewpoint 's free 100 page catalog full ready ship datasets categories cars , anatomy , aircraft , sports , boats , trains , animals others though objects quite expensive , nevertheless interest pictures available objects wireframe , polygon mesh contact viewpoint , 870 west center , orem , utah ph 801 224 2222 fax 801 224 1 800 addresses companies make ascension technology bird , flock birds , big bird 6d trackers p box 527 , burlington , vt phone \( 802 \) 655 , fax \( 802 \) 655 incorporated digitizer 6d trackers p box 560 , hercules dr , vt tel \( 802 \) 655 logitech inc red baron , ultrasonic 6d mouse kaiser dr , ca tel \( 415 \) 795 shooting star technology mechanical 1921 ave burnaby , b c canada tel \( 604 \) 298 fax \( 604 \) 298 spaceball technologies , inc spaceball 6d stationary input device 600 street lowell , , 01854 tel \( 508 \) 970 0330 fax \( 508 \) 970 tel mountain view \( 415 \) 966 systems gold brick powerglove macintosh p box n mit branch post office cambridge , 02139 tel \( 617 \) 969 email applelink apple com vpl research , inc head mounted display glove hand input device vpl research inc 950 tower lane 14th floor foster city , ca tel \( 415 \) 312 0200 fax \( 415 \) 312 engineering flying mouse 6d input device 1137 huntington rd suite 1 south pasadena , ca \( 213 \) 255 0900 13 background imagery textures datafiles first , check ftp places mentioned faq ftp list 24 bit scanning get good 24 bit scanner , like epson 's suggested scsi port speed eric haines suggestion rt news , volume 4 , 3 scan textures wallpapers floor , etc doll house supplies rather cheap way scan patterns n't scaling troubles associated real materials scanning area books textures find houses books magazines carry photographic material , 1 619 536 9999 , sells cd roms various imagery also wide variety stock art available stock art big name stock art houses , , , metro image base , available italy , 's company called belvedere makes books purpose clipping pages inclusion graphics work address edition belvedere co ltd , rome italy , , 19 tel \( 06 \) 360 44 88 , fax \( 06 \) 360 29 60 texture libraries sceptre graphics announced , set 24 bit textures initial shipments 24 bit iff \( amigas \) , soon 24 bit tiff format built tiled surfaces srp 40 volume \( volume 40 images 10 disks \) demo disks 5 available contact sceptre graphics 1600 indiana ave winter park , fl phone \( 407 \) 384 fax \( 407 \) 647 b essence library 65 \( sixty five \) new textures imagine impulse , inc textures fully compatible floating point versions imagine 2 0 , imagine 1 1 , even turbo silver written steve worley info contact essence info apex software publishing 405 el camino real suite 121 menlo park ca 94025 usa texture city \? \? 14 introduction rendering algorithms ray tracing assume general understanding computer graphics \? read books faq contains ray tracing , would suggest introduction ray tracing , andrew glassner \( ed \) , academic press 1989 , isbn 0 12 4 note read book , feel ca n't wrong using book errata list posted comp graphics eric haines \( erich eye com \) 's concise reference also roman , unc chapel hill introduction ray tracing , theoretical foundations computer graphics cad , ed r e , nato , vol f 40 , pp 1039 1060 printed springer verlag , 1988 contains code small , fundamentally complete ray tracer b z buffer \( depth buffer \) good reference procedural elements computer graphics , david f rogers , mcgraw hill , new york , 1985 , pages 265 272 280 284 c others \? \? \? info needed nfotis 15 find geometric data teapot \? displays display column ieee cg jan '87 whole story origin martin newell 's teapot article also bezier patch model pascal program display wireframe model teapot ieee cg sep '87 jim blinn 's column jim blinn 's corner describes another way model teapot bezier curves rotations example used spd packages objects , 're advised get avoid typing data data triangles specific resolution \( around x4 triangles meshing per patch \) spd package provides spline patch descriptions performs specified resolution b space shuttle \? tolis tolis nova stanford edu built list space shuttle datafiles 's summary \( sci space list \) modified version newsgroup model \( \) 406 vertices \( 296 useful , e referred polygon descriptions \) 389 polygons \( 233 3 vertex , 146 4 vertex , 7 5 vertex , 3 6 vertex \) payload doors non existent units unknown simon marshall \( marshall sequent cc hull ac uk \) copy said proprietary information associated newsgroup model , format find gondwana ecr mu oz au , file pub objects shuttle geo hanauma stanford edu , pub graphics comp graphics objects shuttle data model model stored several files , defining portions model greg henderson \( infonode ingr com \) copy mention restriction model 's distribution nasa model file starts header line containing three real numbers , defining offsets used lockheed simulations x offset offset z offset , file consists sequence polygon descriptions vertices polygons \( 407 3 vertex , 2268 4 vertex , 33 5 vertex , 14 6 vertex , 10 7 vertex , 8 8 vertex , 8 12 vertex , 2 13 vertex , 2 15 vertex , 17 16 vertex , 2 17 vertex , 2 18 vertex , 3 19 vertex , 8 24 vertex \) payload doors closed units inches jon \( jon jsc nasa gov \) seems responsible model proprietary info unknown old shuttle model file consists sequence polygon descriptions 104 vertices 452 polygons \( 11 3 vertex , 41 4 vertex \) payload doors open units meters using model star labs , stanford university , years contact \( tolis nova stanford edu \) supervisor scott williams \( scott stanford edu \) want copy 16 image annotation software runs sunview pretty good reads , even image n't normally stored rasterfile format could use screendump make rasterfile b idraw \( part stanford 's interviews distribution \) handle image formats addition macdraw like tool i'm sure exactly ftp idraw 's binary interviews stanford edu c tgif another macdraw like tool handle x11 bitmap \( xbm \) x11 pixmap \( xpm \) formats image formats xbm xpm , get pbmplus toolkit convert things like gif even macintosh formats xpm tgif 's sources available pub directory cs ucla edu \( version 2 12 tgif patchlevel 7 plus \) use facility khoros \( see \) one utility overall system essentially image processing macdraw type graphics using package e might able get pbmplus gives text output bitmaps overlaid top image f requires sun hardware running openwindows 3 's postscript based graphical editor , 's available anonymous ftp internet host eo soest hawaii edu \( 128 171 151 12 \) requires sun c 2 0 two locally developed packages , lxt library \( xlib based toolkit \) small c class library files \( pub ice tar z , pub lxt tar z pub tar z \) available compressed tar format pub ice tar z contains readme gives installation instructions , well extensive man page \( ice 1 \) statically linked compressed executable pub ice sun4 z sparc systems also available ftp software property columbia university may redistributed without permission ice means image composition environment 's imaging tool allows raster images combined wide variety postscript wysiwyg fashion via x11 imaging routines news postscript g use imagemagick image x server pick position text cursor choose font pen color pull menu imagemagick read write many popular image formats imagemagick available export lcs mit edu contrib imagemagick tar z nearest x11 archive 17 scientific visualization stuff x data slice \( \) bundled x11 distribution mit , contrib directory available ftp ncsa uiuc edu 141 142 20 50 \( either source binaries various platforms \) national center supercomputing applications \( ncsa \) tool suite platforms unix workstations \( dec , ibm , sgi , sun \) apple macintosh cray supercomputers availability available source code public domain ftp ftp ncsa uiuc edu contact national center supercomputing applications computing applications building 605 e springfield ave champaign , il 61820 cost free \( zero dollars \) suite includes tools 2d image 3d scene analysis visualization code actively maintained updated spyglass sell commercial versions ncsa tools examples spyglass \( 3d volumetric data analysis package \) platform mac spyglass transform \( 2d data analysis package \) platforms mac , sgi , sun , dec , hp , ibm contact spyglass , inc p box champaign , il \( 217 \) 355 6000 khoros 1 0 patch 5 available via anonymous ftp pprg eece unm edu \( 129 24 24 10 \) cd pub khoros see available huge \( 100 mb \) , good needs unix x11r4 freely copied \( pd \) , complete sources docs extensive heart visual programming khoros components include visual programming language , code generators extending visual language adding new application packages system , interactive user interface editor , interactive image display package , extensive library image signal processing routines , 2d 3d plotting packages see comp soft sys khoros usenet relative faq info contact khoros group room 110 eece dept university new mexico albuquerque , nm email khoros request chama eece unm edu analysis visualization application macintosh operates 1d 2d data arrays import export several different file formats several different plotting options gray scale , color raster , 3d wire frame , 3d surface , contour , vector , line , combinations ffts , filtering , math functions , color look editor , array calculator , etc shareware , available via anonymous ftp sumex aim stanford edu info mac app directory information contact doug norton \( e mail 461 compuserve com \) iris explorer 's application creation system developed silicon graphics provides visualisation analysis functionality computational scientists , engineers scientists explorer gui allows users build custom applications without write , minimal amount , traditonal code also , existing code easily integrated explorer environment explorer currently available sgi cray machines , become available platforms time bundled every new sgi machine , far know see comp graphics explorer comp sys sgi discussion package also two ftp servers related stuff , modules etc ftp ed ac uk 129 215 56 29 lerc nasa gov 139 88 54 33 mirror uk site ape back good days' , could get ape nearly free gone commercial following vendor supplies corporation 929 harrison avenue columbus , ohio tel 1 800 458 \( 614 \) 291 fax \( 614 \) 291 cost 895 \( plus tax \) runtime version site license single user \( time \) , limit number machines cluster 895 includes support maintenance upgrades source code additional user licenses 360 name package become ape iii \( tm \) khoros similar ape philosophy , avs explorer avs see also comp graphics avs platforms convex , cray , dec , evans sutherland , hp , ibm , kubota , set technologies , sgi , stardent , sun , wavetracer availability available unix workstations contact advanced visual systems inc 300 fifth ave waltham , 02154 \( 617 \) 890 4300 telephone \( 617 \) 890 fax avs avs com email advanced visual systems inc cray , hp , ibm , sgi , stardent , sun convex convex advanced visual systems inc cray cray dec dec evans sutherland evans sutherland advanced visual systems inc ibm ibm kubota pacific inc kubota set technologies set technologies wavetracer wavetracer ftp site modules , data sets , info avs ncsc org \( 128 109 178 23 \) wit nutshell 's package avs , explorer , etc seems image processing system generic system \( imho \) major elements visual programming language , automatically exploits inherent parallelism code generator converts graph standalone program iconified libraries present rich set point , filter , io , transform , morphological , segmentation , measurement operations flow library allows graphs employ broadcast , merge , synchronization , conditional , sequencing control strategies wit delivers object oriented , distributed , visual programming environment allows users rapidly design solutions imaging problems users software hardware developments within complete cad like workspace adding operators \( c functions \) , objects \( data structures \) , servers \( specialized hardware \) wit runs sun , hp9000 7xx , sgi supports mv 20 200 hardware allowing run graphs real time free wit demo disk , call , fax , e mail \( poon ee ubc ca \) us stating complete name , address , voice , fax , e mail info desired platform pricing wit sparc , one yr free upgrades , 30 days technical support 5000 us academic institutions discounts available contact logical vision ltd suite 108 3700 way burnaby , b c , canada tel 604 435 fax 604 435 terry arden poon ee ubc ca vis 5d system visually exploring output 5 data sets made weather models platforms sgi iris vgx , gtx , tg , g graphics , sgi crimson indigo \( r4000 , elan graphics suggested \) , irix 4 0 x ibm rs 6000 gl graphics , aix version 3 later stardent gs 1000 gs 2000 \( truecolor display \) case , 32 \( \) mb ram suggested get freely \( thanks nasa support \) via anonymous ftp ftp iris wisc edu \( ftp 144 92 108 63 \) , ftp cd pub ftp ascii ftp get readme ftp bye note find package also wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics packages directory read section 2 readme file full instructions get install vis 5d contact bill \( vms macc wisc edu \) brian paul \( vms macc wisc edu \) \( ibm \) platforms ibm risc system 6000 , ibm power visualization server \( mesh 32 , 40 mhz \) working \( announced \) sgi , hp , sun contact local ibm rep trial package ask rep contact david kilgore data explorer product marketing \( \) , \( 708 \) 981 wavefront data visualizer , personal visualizer , advanced visualizer platforms sgi , sun , ibm rs6000 , hp , dec availability available platforms wavefront technologies educational programs site licenses available contacts mike wilson \( mike wti com \) wavefront technologies , inc 530 east street santa barbara , ca 93103 805 962 fax 805 963 wavefront europe 21 23 b 9000 , belgium 32 91 25 45 55 fax 32 91 23 44 56 wavefront technologies japan bldg 2 6 1 , ku tokyo 168 japan 81 3 fax 81 3 7353 fast nasa ames packages distributed cosmic least \( fast ask pat nas nasa gov distribution information \) general , codes us citizens \( xgraph contrib tape x11r5 specialty display 64 data sets \( 2d \) ncar national center atmospheric research one original graphics packages runs sun , rs6000 , sgi , vax , cray mp , decstations , contact graphics information ncar scientific computing division p box 3000 boulder , co 80307 3000 \( 303 \) 497 1201 ncar ucar edu cost edu 750 unlimited users gov 750 1 user 1500 5 users 3000 25 users com users multiply gov 2 0 idl environment scientific computing visualization based array oriented language , idl includes 2d 3d graphics , matrix , signal image processing , basic statistics , , mapping , widget based system building gui idl applications \( open look , motif , ms windows \) environments dec \( vms ultrix \) , hp , ibm rs6000 , sgi , sun , microsoft windows \( mac version progress \) cost 1500 , educational quantity discounts available see also comp lang idl \( idl bundle \) contact research systems inc 777 29th street , suite 302 boulder , co 80303 phone 303 786 fax 303 786 e mail info com demo available via ftp call e mail details idl sips lot people using idl package called sips developed university colorado \( boulder \) people working alex goetz might try contacting already idl would willing buy 's thousand dollars \( american \) expect idl free general purpose packages 've heard , besides sips written aviris imagery i'm sure general purpose would contact goetz one people ask another piece software \( pcw \) pc walsh transformations clustering limited image modification \( compute image using selected components \) 've used 70 megabyte aviris images without problems , best speed need external dsp card work without , large images take quite \( 50 70 times long \) process 's freebie want favorite idl \( interactive data language \) research systems , inc idl opinion , much better infinitely easier programming language strong easy pascal like handles number crunching well , also personally , like number crunching idl vax \( mathematica , igor , even excel mac 's hairy \) , bringing nih image imaging part yet encounter situation combination could n't handle , speed ease use \( compared iraf \) incredible way , 's mostly astronomical image processing 've means image enhancement , cleaning bad lines pixels , traditional image processing routines , example , taking graph intensity versus position along line choose mouse , curve fit line \( might like \) idl call research systems , pv wave call precision visuals sips call university colorado boulder understand , get packaged programs research systems , though nfotis contact robert , mit interactive program designed assist engineer investigating fluid dynamics data sets platforms sgi , ibm , hp , sun , x terminals availability currently available platforms educational programs volume discounts available contact intelligent light p box 65 fair lawn , nj \( 201 \) 794 steve kramer \( kramer com \) scian scian primarily intended 3 data interactive environment ability generate animations using frame accurate video recording devices user manual , line help , technical notes help use program cost 0 \( free \) , source code provided via ftp platforms sgi 4d machines ibm rs 6000 gl card z buffer find ftp scri fsu edu 144 174 128 34 pub scian mirror cc monash edu au 130 194 1 101 pub scian scry readme scry distributed image handling system pro image transport compression local wide area networks , image viewing workstations , recording video equipment , storage disk system among workstations , supercomputers works , supercomputers , workstations video animation controllers system commonly used produce video based movie displays images resulting visualization time dependent data , complex 3d data sets , image processing operations clients servers run variety systems provide unix like c run time environments , sockets source available anonymous ftp csam lbl gov 128 3 254 6 pub scry tar z contact bill johnston , \( lbl gov , ucbvax ! csam lbl gov ! johnston \) david robertson \( lbl gov , ucbvax ! csam lbl gov ! davidr \) imaging technologies group ms lawrence berkeley laboratory 1 road berkeley , ca 94720 svlib fvs svlib x windows widget set based osf \( open software foundation \) motif widget set svlib widgets macro widgets comprising lower level motif widgets buttons , scrollbars , menus , drawing areas designed address 2d visualization routines widget library encapsulation specific visualization technique colormap manipulation , image display , contour plotting targetted run unix workstations supporting osf motif currently , color monitors supported since svlib collection widgets developed spirit osf motif user interface widget set , integrates motif widgets programmers using svlib widgets see interface design motif widgets fvs visualization software computational fluid dynamics \( cfd \) simulations fvs designed accept data generated simulations apply various visualization techniques present data graphically fvs accepts three dimensional multi block data recorded ncsa hdf format iti gov sg 192 122 132 130 pub svlib \( scientific visualization \) pu fvs directories contain demo binaries sun4 sgi cost us 200 academic us 300 non academic institutions \( items \) 're getting source licence contact miss lee member technical staff information technology institute national computer board building 71 , park drive singapore 0511 republic singapore tel \( 65 \) fax \( 65 \) email iti gov sg gvlware distribution bob interactive volume renderer sgi raz disk based movie player sgi icol motif color editor army high performance computing research center \( ahpcrc \) developing set tools work large time dependent 2d 3d data sets graphics visualization lab \( gvl \) using tools along side standard packages , sgi explorer utah raster toolkit , render 3d volumes create digital movies couple general purpose programs bundled package called gvlware gvlware , currently consisting bob , raz icol , available via ftp interesting program probably bob , interactive volume renderer sgi raz streams raster images disk sgi screen , enabling movies larger memory played icol color map editor works bob raz source pre built binaries irix 4 0 5 included acquire gvlware , anonymous ftp machine ftp arc umn edu file pub gvl tar z use gvlware mkdir gvl cd gvl gvl tar z tar xvf readme bob features motif interface , sgi gl rendering renders 64 cubed data set 0 1 1 0 seconds vgx alpha compositing maximum value rendering , perspective \( maximum value rendering personal iris \) data must brick bytes , regularly spaced grid animation , , subsampling , stereo raz features motif interface , sgi gl rendering loads files raw disk partition , streams screen \( requires empty disk partition set aside \) script interface available movie sequences stream memory , like ncsa ximage icol features motif interface easy create interpolated color maps key points rgb , hsv yuv color spaces , multiple file formats changes automatically bob raz tested sgi , sun , dec cray systems btw bob brick bytes icol interpolated color raz \? \( name \) please send comments gvlware ahpcrc umn edu software collection supported army research office contract number 89 c university minnesota army high performance computing research center imaging applications platform commercial package medical scientific visualization volume rendering , binary surface rendering , , image manipulation , cine sequencing , geometry text images provides measurement coordinate transform abilities provide hardcopy medical film printers , image database functionality medical \( ct mri etc \) scanners client server based provides object oriented interface runs high performance workstations takes full advantage parallelism available robust , efficient submitted fda approval use medical applications cost 20k oem developer , 10k educational developer run times starting 8900 going based quantity developer packages include two days training two people toronto available isg technologies 6509 airport road mississauga , ontario , canada , 1s7 \( 416 \) 672 2100 e mail rod gilchrist rod isgtec com 18 molecular visualization stuff based list cristy dupont com cristy , asked systems displaying molecular dynamics , md short flex public domain package written michael , scripps research institute , la jolla , ca flex stored compressed , archive \( 3 4mb \) scripps edu 137 131 152 27 , pub flex displays molecular models md trajectories \( macintosh \) searched archie , promising place sumex aim stanford edu \( info mac app , info mac art qt demo \) md display runs sgi machines call terry \( milton u washington edu \) package visualize molecules much uses xview toolkit call duncan dem scripps edu hal physics wayne edu writing visualization code right look md output \( specific format , easy alter subroutine \) pc 's program hooks gks friend access phigs x \( pex \) fortran bindings , would happy share evolving code \( free charge \) right display 65 atoms \( easy change \) , 100 time steps , drawing nearest neighbor bonds 2 defining nn radii works fast 10mhz 286 caesar cs montana edu project molecular visualization master 's thesis , using unix x11 motif generates simple point space filling model part motecc 91 look \( 156 148 7 12 \) , pub motecc motecc info txt information motecc 91 plain ascii format motecc info troff information motecc 91 troff format motecc form troff motecc 91 order form troff format motecc license troff motecc 91 license agreement troff format motecc info ps information motecc 91 postscript format motecc form ps motecc 91 order form postscript format motecc license ps motecc 91 license agreement postscript format i'm working molecular dynamic friend mine developed program display md run dynamically silicon graphics working improve , n't work x , using lib silicon gr much faster x 'll end 'll post news info get ftp \( free software \) v2 0 written david call daven wpi edu xmol x window system program uses osf motif display analysis molecular model data data several common file formats read written current formats include alchemy , ii , gaussian , , , pdb , 's xyz format \( designed simplicity translating formats \) xmol also allows conversion several formats xmol available ftp msc edu read pub xmol readme details insight ii technologies inc scarecrow program published j molecular graphics 10 \( 1992 \) 33 program analyze display , discover , trajectories program package contains also software generation probe surfaces , proton affinity surfaces molecular extended program works silicon graphics machines contact leif laaksonen leif laaksonen csc fi csc fi multi ns nih gov 157 98 8 8 pub multi 3 0 \( multi process molecular modeling suite \) mindtool runs sunview , requires fortran compiler sun 's libraries mindtool tool provided interactive graphic manipulation molecules atoms currently , 10 , 000 atoms may input available via anonymous ftp , chem yale edu , directory pub mindtool \( check archie sites 's far \) would also suggest looking least sgi 's applications directory contains many packages nfotis 19 gis \( geographical information systems software \) grass \( geographic resource analysis support system \) us army construction engineering research lab \( cerl \) popular geographic remote sensing image processing package many may think grass geographic information system rather image processing package , although reported significant image processing capabilities feature descriptions use grass 's public domain obtained internet free grass runs unix written c source code obtained anonymous ftp office grass integration compile source code machine , using scripts provided grass would recommend grass someone already workstation limited budget grass user friendly , compared macintosh software first review overview documentation indicates looks useful pixel functions packages plus good general purpose image enhancement routines \( fft \) kelly maurice vexcel corp boulder , co primary user grass gentleman used grass software developed multi spectral \( 238 bands \? \? \) volumetric rendering , full color , suns really effective interface vexcel corp currently contract map part venus convert magellan radar data contour maps call \( 303 \) 444 email care greg vexcel com 192 92 90 68 host configuration requirements willing run ux could install grass macintosh significant image analysis import capabilities satellite data grass public domain , run high end pc unix raster based , image processing capability , display vector data \( analysis must done raster environment \) used grass v 3 sun workstation found easy use best , course , data well represented raster \( grid cell \) form availability cerl 's office grass integration \( ogi \) maintains ftp server moon cecer army mil \( 129 229 20 254 \) mail regarding site addressed grass ftp admin moon cecer army mil location new canonical source grass software , well bug fixes , contributed sources , documentation , files ftp server also supports dynamic compression tar archiving files feature attraction server john grass tutorial manual still beta test stage , john requests people acquire willing review mail comments corrections ogi currently maintaining document , correspondence directed tang uark edu support listserv mailing lists list amber cecer army mil \( grass users application level questions , support concerns , miscellaneous questions , etc \) send subscribe commands request amber cecer army mil list amber cecer army mil \( grass programmers system level questions tips , tricks , techniques design implementation grass applications \) send subscribe commands request amber cecer army mil lists maintained office grass integration \( subset army corps engineers construction engineering research lab champaign , il \) ogi providing lists service community ogi cerl employees participate lists , make claim content veracity messages pass list questions , problems , comments , send e mail lists owner amber cecer army mil human respond microstation imager intergraph \( based huntsville alabama \) sells wide range gis software hardware microstation base graphics package imager sits top imager basically image processing package heavy gis remote sensing flavor feature description basic geometry manipulations flip , mirror , rotate , generalized affine rectification affine , 2nd , 3rd , 4th 5th order models well model \( warp image vector map another image \) rgb ihs ihs rgb conversion principal component analysis classification k means fourier forward , filtering reverse filters high pass , low pass , edge enhancing , median , generic complex histogram contrast control layer controller manages 64 images time user extract single bands 3 band image create color images combining various individual bands , etc package designed remote sensing application \( handle large images \) kinds software available gis applications host configuration requirements runs intergraph workstations \( unix machine similar sun \) though rumors \( always rumors \) software would ported pc possibly sun environment pci company called pci , inc , richmond hill , ontario , canada , makes array software utilities processing , manipulation , use remote sensing data eight ten different industry standard formats , , landsat , couple others whose titles forget software available versions ms dos , unix workstations \( among hp , sun , ibm \) , vms , quite possibly platforms use vms version pci software consists several classes groups packages utilities , grouped function operating common pci database disk file tape package set utility programs read various remote sensing industry tape formats , write formats , pci database file package use know much packages display data pci database one another several pci supported third party color displays , output numeric bitmap representation image data attached printer , e g epson type dot matrix graphics printer might interested mathematical operations package gram fourier analysis , equalization , user specified operations \( e g multiply channel 1 3 , add channel 2 , store channel 5 \) , god knows else 's lot n't n't use , ca n't say much buy packages particular application interest calls utility controlled one eight parameters , read common parameter file must \( vms anyway \) default directory utilities share parameters use parameter different purpose , get bit confusing setting series operations standard pci environment contains scripting language similar ibm pc basic , allows automate process setting parameters common , complicated , lengthy difficult series utility executions \( vms also invoke utilities independently dcl command procedure \) 's also optional programming library allows write compiled language programs interface \( read write \) pci data structures \( database file , parameter file \) pci software designed specifically remote sensing images , requires level operator expertise , reach level handle r images , figure ways handle things well instance , tape package offers utility reading multi band \( adobe photoshop macintosh calls raw \) data tape , number different interleave orders turns ideal manipulating graphic arts industry 's format , would probably \( n't tried \) handle targa , , however , know screw nth degree start 's worth noting pci database file designed contain raster \( image \) data , vectors \( map information entered via digitizing table \) , land use , manner information \( observe remote sensing image tape often contains manner information spectral bands , latitude , longitude , time , date , etc original satellite pass go pci database \) believe workstations built display used vax systems workstations pci supports couple specific third party display systems \( name gould seems come mind \) one personal workarounds display program would display directly pci database file q \( q bus 24 bit directcolor \) display subsystem pci software could overkill case seems designed high end applications users , e mac pc largely n't suffice \( although know gap getting smaller time \) 's probably coincidence pci located canada , country lot land resource management via remote sensing believe canadian government uses pci software work areas spam \( spectral analysis manager \) back 1985 jpl developed something called spam \( spectral analysis manager \) got fair amount use time designed airborne imaging spectrometer imagery \( byte data , 256 pixels across 512 lines 256 bands \) modified version since developed aviris \( airborne visual infrared imaging spectrometer \) uses much larger images spam none things \( rectification , classification , pc ihs transformations , filtering , contrast enhancement , overlays \) actually , limited filtering contrast enhancement \( stretching \) spam aimed spectral identification clustering original spam uses x sunview display aviris version may require vicar , executive based tae , may also require frame buffer refer people 're interested pcw requires x display map ii among mac gis systems , map ii distributed john wiley clrview clrview 3 dimensional visualization program designed exploit real time capabilities silicon graphics iris computers program designed provide core set tools aid visualization information cad gis sources supports integration many common data sources dxf , tin , dem , , arc info among others clrview obtained explorer dgp utoronto ca \( 128 100 1 129 \) directory pub sgi clrview contact rodney head design applications centre landscape research university toronto tel \( 416 \) 978 email rodney dgp utoronto ca end resource listing nick \( nikolaos \) fotis national technical univ athens , greece home 16 esperidon st , internet nfotis theseas ntua gr halandri , gr 152 32 uucp mcsun ! ariadne ! theseas ! nfotis athens , greece fax \( 30 1 \) 77 84 578
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject one pathological liar \? reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 235 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes would like say hope everybody knows everything serdar said lies coming idiot crook armenian , 'd take compliment criminal grandparents committed unheard crimes , resorted conceivable methods despotism , organized massacres , poured petrol babies burned , raped women girls front parents bound hand foot , took girls mothers fathers appropriated personal property real estate today , put azeris unbearable conditions nation ever known history source john dewey new republic , vol 40 , nov 12 , 1928 , pp 268 9 armenians turned turkish cities russian invader boasted raised army one hundred fifty thousand men fight civil war , burned least hundred turkish villages exterminated population references eminent authors field middle eastern history eyewitnesses armenian genocide 2 5 million 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ltd , london , bombay sydney , 1922 11 caliph 's last heritage sir mark sykes , macmillan co , london , 1915 12 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1928 13 adventures near east , 1918 22 rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 14 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 15 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) 16 armenia road independence richard g hovanessian , university california press , berkeley , california , 1967 17 rebirth turkey clair price , thomas seltzer , new york , 1923 18 caucasian battlefields w b allen paul muratoff , cambridge , 1953 19 partition turkey harry n howard , h fertig , new york , 1966 20 king crane commission harry n howard , beirut , 1963 21 united states policy partition turkey laurence evans , john hopkins university press , baltimore , 1965 22 british documents related turkish war independence gothard jaeschke 1 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sun soe clarkson edu \( matthew sheppard \) subject help adjust tappits organization clarkson university lines 15 nntp posting host sun soe clarkson edu well , got parts replaced needed \( chain \) notice engine still taps like local 'experts' say 's tappits need adjusting soon attempt would like advice anyone shop manual read procedure places anything need \? problems anyone else encountered \? ride 1981 yamaha \( stop laughing , 's tiny , 's shiny \) matthew sheppard clarkson university sun soe clarkson edu 'd rather bottle front frontal anon n't want dod 477 477 ride free \( 8
tkelso afit af mil \( ts kelso \) subject two line orbital element set space shuttle keywords space shuttle , orbital elements , keplerian nntp posting host scgraph afit af mil organization air force institute technology lines 18 current orbital elements norad two line element sets carried celestial bbs , \( 513 \) 427 0674 , updated daily \( possible \) documentation tracking software also available system service satellite user community , current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial bbs may accessed 24 hours day 300 , 1200 , 2400 , 4800 , 9600 bps using 8 data bits , 1 stop bit , parity element sets \( also updated daily \) , shuttle elements , documentation software also available via anonymous ftp archive afit af mil \( 129 92 1 66 \) directory pub space sts 55 1 93 27 93117 00000 0 3 0 47 2 28 264 261 194 3250 15 104 dr ts kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso afit af mil air force institute technology
bradw newbridge com \( brad warkentin \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host thor organization newbridge networks corporation distribution rec lines 24 article 698 netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top wait one cotton picking minute dod rule 417 1 2 section 6 paragraph 3 clearly indicates multiple people ca n't lay claim bike obvious ploy artificially increase size stable question day spike owned lady true class breeding \( definition woman rides \) \) tom head \? \? \? also note lay claim connie ol sport \( like said , obviously lady discriminating taste \) bored minds know bj bradw newbridge com sig plan clue dod 255
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization chinet public access unix lines 33 pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? assuming fire caused lanterns stoves knocked tanks pushing walls \( would shake building pretty good \) perhaps n't flee fleeing would meant entering fire side \? like surrounded fire , rubble , finally \( combined teargas , combustion gasses \) overcame \? words trapped flames , heat , fumes rubble \? wait minute story pushed fire started one place consistent story trapped fire \( particularly building sudden many exits \) choose one , please sound plausable \? dramatic korash forcing stay , shooting \( shot victims found yet \) , plausable well , everyone besides koresh blood children , assume independent choice ah , chose stay face assault clearly endangered lives , alternatively , permitted leave choose one koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
access digex net \( \) subject drop organization corporation , washington , dc usa lines 1 nntp posting host access digex net
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject quack quack \( candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction \) organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 44 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes article rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes believe quacks exist \? quack diagnoses \? licensed physician enough guarantee someone quack , even licensed physician quack , people n't say \? would say also significant numbers unscrupulous doctors \( squeaky clean , traditional crew cut , talk ama starting treatment , kind \) umm , n't one objecting someone licensed physician called quack \? licensed physician good defense charges quackery physician agrees system beliefs \? lately 've seen word quack bandied recklessly actually , almost never use term quack discuss systemic yeast syndrome , however , always point mainstream medicine views quack diagnosis \( agree characterization \) let put another way make point clear quack nebulous word lacking precision really \? bet virtually everyone reading posts understands steve dyer , gordon banks , implying talked systemic yeast syndrome quack diagnosis would prefer word \? \( n't happen think quacks since suspect believe diseases diagnosing \) \( p , may suggest seriously doctors wanna doctors net refuse open mind alternative treatments theories , yeast theory , create moderated group \? reason feel n't pointed sci med convincing empirical evidence support existence systemic yeast syndrome \? david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
gpu utcc utoronto ca \( dr edmund west \) subject avs presentation organization utcc public access distribution tor lines 46 university toronto instructional research computing sponsoring technical presentation visualization software v n c e v u l e \( v \) f w r e 2 10 pm 4 00 pm thursday , may 6 , 1993 fleming building room 1105 advanced visual systems present technical seminar avs , world 's leading visualization software package avs point click , module driven , easy use product produces full color , two three dimensional rendered scenes interactive observation supported current unix risc platforms sun , sgi , ibm , h p , dg , dec also runs dec vms avs fourth year street mature fields science , engineering , medicine , even business applications use avs seminar focus many features technical detail half hour slide presentation following question period live demonstration using sun sparcstation addition , new avs program called campus introduced meeting also discussed international avs center , provides line repository 1000 graphics modules north carolina supercomputer center , nc avs tools write one 's customized modules available avs avs international p e k e r scheduled speaker presentation mr paul associates , distributor avs canada h p r e e n n p e n h e p u b l c
biz soil princeton edu \( dave \) subject people become atheists \? reply biz soil princeton edu organization princeton university lines 11 article may 9 05 41 56 1993 athos rutgers edu , gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes bob reminds roommate order disbelieve atheism , says need proven wrong well , n't even waste time trying tell 'll take word response , tells say atheist 's prayer atheist 's prayer said \?
subject review 1989 ford taurus sho david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) reply david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) distribution world organization cutting edge houston , tx 713 466 1525 lines 13 gk occasionally , trouble shifting reverse shifter gk refuses enter gate , often grind synchros trying gk get gear 'll watching carefully next couple gk months enter 1st , wait 2 3 seconds go reverse use synchros , 'll never \( least n't \) ground em fit using technique cutting edge bbs \( cutting hou tx us \) pcboard 14 5a system houston , texas , usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb
phil howtek mv com \( phil hunt \) subject motherboard manufacturer slot \? organization howtek , inc reply phil howtek mv com \( phil hunt \) x mailer uaccess macintosh release 1 6v2 lines 42 hi , bought , net , mini tower system works fine , docs motherboard anyone know manufacturer named wpi \? board related chip connector name says \( c \) 1991 , wpi also , board connector end motherboard , looks like 387 socket 387 math coprocessor 386 386 chip j signs isa slots p jumpers turbo kb etc e marked r signs 8 banks simm sockets connectors mystery connectors ! ! ! ! connector \? place plug extra memory board \? 've seen mentioned motherboard docs allow 8 meg card 8 meg simms \? phil phil hunt wherever go , ! howtek , inc internet phil howtek mv com uucp decvax harvard ! mv ! howtek ! phil
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject pov ray problem please help organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 13 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de file dis file tga \? \? brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 50 cc uregina ca writes phil , point well taken still sad idea i'm worried concern though , number reasons nothing space advertising \( number reasons probably doomed fail financial grounds \) \( 've reading \( writing \) thread since way back sci space \) starters , n't think piece light pollution apparatus would bright full moon seems bit propaganda part opponents , wishful thinking part proponents second , charge ruining night sky permanently levelled projects , either 1 \) n't light pollution significantly , 2 \) light pollution target area may may recognize 1 solar power sattelites think josh hopkins actually math , showing sps 's n't bright , ending two months opposition part dark sky activists various types 2 mainly projects like orbiting mirror cis tested recently slightly worrisome , 'd like point significant scattering light outside target area one mirrors would wasted far project would concerned , something project like would work anyway given likely targets , n't think 's going much outcry inhabitants much dark sky northern cis winter , doubt 'll find many activists demanding natural sky back anything , 'll probably inside , stripped buck naked front uv lamp , making sure 'll get enough vitamin day mirror experiments n't something 're advertising think build one , 'll one things people affected areas think could n't lived without doubt anyone 's going really able convince stop phil fraering number one good faith ! convert , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu tortured demons ! anon mahen missionary
mail server mozart cc iup edu \( mserv \) subject ten commandments ten discourses \? lines 135 course discussing sabbath folks , came across something completely new , thought 'd offer comment keep brief possible , let state observation statement , whoever wants comment basically , think 've observed phrase ten commandments , used moses , reference ex 20 1 17 , rather reference ten distinct discourses ex 20 1 ex 31 18 , phrase ten commandments accurately translated ten discourses , passage call ten commandments really first i'm completely convinced true , purposes discussion , let argue though sure arguments supporting idea 1 \) n't really ten commandments ex 20 1 17 order get 10 commandments , get two verses 3 6 , verses support division worshipping gods , verse 3 commands gods , verse 5 commands worship idols mentioned verse 4 ca n't violate verses 5 6 without violating verse 3 , indicating whole passage one command , leaving us nine commandments could go length , 'll stop summary 2 \) ten speeches ex 20 1 \( beginning traditional ten commandments \) ex 31 18 \( god actually gives moses two tablets ten commandments discourses written \) break ten follows 20 1 17 20 22 26 21 1 23 33 25 1 30 10 30 11 16 30 17 21 30 22 33 30 34 38 31 1 11 31 12 18 cases , passages begins variation phrase , lord spoke moses , saying exception ex 21 1 , begins ordinances set 3 \) word translated commandments phrase ten commandments n't really word commandment , word speech , 's word often used longer discourses rather individual statements instance , combined word \( day \) , word translated chronicles phrases rest acts , written chronicles x \? word commandment freely used throughout books moses , perhaps significant moses spoke ten x 's , appears avoided word commandment chosen instead word associated discourses longer single command 4 \) god tells moses going give stone tablets law commandments \( ex 24 12 \) , yet give moses tablets finished ten discourses mount sinai ten commandments ex 20 1 17 , immediately clear god would wait several days nine discourses giving tablets moses hand , ten discourses written tablets , makes perfect sense god would give moses tablets finished delivering ten discourses 5 \) moses get tablets , found tablets written sides \( ex 32 15 \) ten commandments first 17 verses ex 20 , god would written large letters ! could n't , course , seem likely reference two tablets containing ten discourses written normal sized letters 6 \) ii cor 3 , paul seems specifically single commandments written stone ministry death , fading away , ministry condemnation possible exception commandment sabbath , difficult see paul would refer commands ex 20 1 17 temporary , fading away type commandments less problem stone tablets happen included commandments ex 20 ex 31 arguments idea main argument idea , aside fact contradicts long standing tradition , dt 5 22 , moses says , quoting commands ex 20 1 17 , words lord spoke added wrote two tablets stone gave appears identify words quoted contents two stone tablets first impression , anyway however , thought , noted great deal hinges understand phrase words moses meant words related spoken god etc , would mean traditional ten commandments stone tablets , however , moses making parenthetical comment words telling spoken god etc 's quite different note dt 5 account , moses tells given stone tablets telling people asking moses represent god , whereas exodus account , people asked moses first second discourses , several days god gave moses stone tablets idea remarks dt 5 intended parenthetical remark , rather strictly chronological account god wrote , point stopped adding tablets summary things considered , find somewhat likely nine commands ex 20 really first moses regarded ten discourses god n't know anybody ever espoused idea 's brand new , lean towards accepting , would interested hearing comments criticisms anyone may care offer mark
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject 're real 're spectacular keywords blues , hawks , seinfeld nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 36 're real 're spectacular , blues shutout blackhawks consecutive playoff games blues sweep hawks sunday , launch onto ice last seconds game 's anything wrong curtis joseph master domain , hawks shooting puck like bunch even superman could play better goal joseph must eating cereal 's like said spectator hot atmosphere wild crowd arena refreshing see blues double dip hawks hawks goons tried pick hull , janney , joseph blues checking line hawks real well fat sing sunday , hawks head beach trip back chicago feel like long journey milan enjoy sunday 's game junior wash little fun \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject new encryption algorithm organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 8 nntp posting host access digex net keywords nea well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping
schwartz ils nwu edu \( diane schwartz \) subject sigkids research showcase call organization institute learning sciences lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host schwartz ils nwu edu brought attention oversight sigkids research showcase call participation entry form please note sigkids research showcase part siggraph '93 , august 1 6 , 1993 anaheim , california thank , diane schwartz sigkids committee member institute learning sciences 1890 maple avenue , suite 150 evanston , illinois schwartz ils nwu edu
athena mit edu \( \) subject looking technics sa organization massachusetts institute technology lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host marinara mit edu would like sell technics sa receiver , know someone would like sell , please contact i'm willing pay reasonable price thanx \( 617 \) 225 athena mit edu
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject space dock organization u toronto zoology lines 19 article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes build inflatable space dock 're large scale satellite servicing , able pressurized hangar makes considerable sense question whether anyone going large scale satellite servicing near future , point justifying development thing inflate dock gas \( oxygen , non , non damaging satellite abel maintain heat \) 'd almost certainly use air given something , safety considerations strongly suggest making breathable \( even servicing crew using oxygen masks normal breathing , avoid needing ventilation system , 's nice hangar atmosphere breathable pinch makes mask functioning much less critical \) svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
musicb mcgill ca subject habs tie series 2 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! lines 26 nntp posting host vm1 mcgill ca organization mcgill university ! habs tied sucker 2 teams head quebec city play game 5 btw , final score habs 3 nords 2 score might bit misleading habs dominated game 5 00 mark first score 8 2 n't miraculous save ron hextall \( bastard ! \) 's reason score close habs winning goal scored benoit brunet 1 07 3rd roy ok game made first save \( one way another \) defense clear rebounds , espn radio reports bruins lost 6 5 ot ! ! ! suckers got deserved life great ! ! ! ! finals would go well ! nick \( 'll take town hat \) czar mainframe computing musicb mcgill ca mcgill university
subject virtual reality x cheap ! ironbark \( tim potter \) distribution inet organization university college northern victoria \( \) nntp posting host ironbark ucnv edu au x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 27 peter trl oz au \( peter k campbell \) writes ridout bink plk af mil \( brian ridout \) writes article 1993apr15 mfltd co uk , sts mfltd co uk \( steve sherwood \( x5543 \) \) writes anyone got multiverse work \? extn 5543 , sts mfltd co uk , ! uunet ! mfocus ! sts 've tried compiling several sparcstations gcc 2 22 fixing bugs \( 3 missing constant definitions plus couple things \) got compile link , starting client server get black window sometimes client core dumps , sometimes server , sometimes get broken pipe , sometimes sits nothing although occassionally get cursor become cross hair dog fight , 's 've sent word author plus fix last week , reply yet peter k campbell p campbell trl oz au 've discovered bug libraries parser parser c function generating segmentation fault appears corrupted somehow return random colours instead everything worked great \( except colour problems \) know thing wrong colour table somehow gets couple placed name colours compared crashes n't found problem yet maybe someone else adrian turner university college northern victoria turner ironbark ucnv edu au
wam umd edu \( mr \) subject moon image weather sat image nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 14 article 1993apr30 unocal com stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) writes article usenet ucs indiana edu turner bigbang astro indiana edu \( george wm turner \) writes image moon caught weather satellite images earth near , see sun ocean cool ! also solar see shadow sun move across clouds think mean moon \( sorry , \) \)
khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale practical peripherals 1200 external modem organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 6 nntp posting host aludra usc edu nice little , really compact , cream colored , 1200 external modem good mac ibm throw cable extra 5 interested email offer khoh usc edu
organization arizona state university shooting club asu asuacad bitnet subject crimestrike phoenix gazette editorial lines 36 editorial a10 , saturday , april 24 , 1993 crimestrike hits town chilling reality crime hands urban terrorists noted \( high school student gang article column \) , welcome ranks dedicated moving criminals streets national rifle association 's new crimestrike project , engineered arizona 's former chief assist ant attorney general steven j twist crimestrike working reverse disturbing trend daily crime promoting solutions applied nationally , including tough honest sentencing sort arizona applying truth sentencing law funding construction appropriate prison space ensuring system punish serious offenders strict attention rights victims citizen community involvement phoenix home national organization gazette vigorously opposed many nra policies issues gun control , promoting prudent laws seek reasonable regulation firearms crimestrike appropriate creation , response clear need robust holding legislators judges ac comes swiftly surely punishing criminals organization issue , issue , crime strike especially willing direct dollars getting criminals street say , welcome town
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject squid \? \( riceburner respect \) organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 13 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , epcot spdc ti com \( mike \) says poser squid guy saw yesterday way home similar attire sans jacket \( april texas ya know \) , riding amazing thought california got april dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
klinker itd nrl navy mil \( eric klinker \) subject best homeruns organization naval research lab , washington , dc distribution rec lines 7 best one saw last year willie mcgee matthews \( think \? \) phillie fierce line drive still rising hit second deck facade vet willie mcgee one homerun last year eric
hunter uoknor edu \( steve hunter \) subject minnesota shame \? originator news ecn uoknor edu nntp posting host ecn uoknor edu organization national severe storms laboratory lines 22 i'm hockey fan way back , maintain interest best hockey hinterlands \( oklahoma \) i'm hoping get reading move north stars dallas 've impression minnesota one , possibly , hockey state u team moving city texas \? owner greedy , self serving , stars really making profit \? city whoever owned arena price \? much 'd like see nhl 3 hour drive , ca n't help feel people minnesota , unless truly n't support team opinions , please steve hunter national weather service radar group norman , ok
subject word windows problems cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au \( jason cleeve \) organization la trobe university lines 26 trying use equation editor word windows 2 0 get couple error messages along lines ca n't find font mt extra default printer characters displayed printed try installing equation editor reinstall new printer similar font fences know fonts system unable use tried solutions avail anyone similar problems found way fix , could let know urgently required ! ! thanks , jason cleeve \( j cleeve ieee org \) q ` comp sci \( \) elect eng ' la trobe university australia email cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au jason cleeve \( j cleeve ieee org \) q ` comp sci \( \) elect eng ' la trobe university australia email cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au
blumenow underdog ee wits ac za \( warren blumenow \) subject rf communications link article underdog blumenow 7 organization wits electrical engineering \( \) lines 18 hi problem following design rf link distance 250 're using standard rs232 waves \( square pulses \) waves carrier wave link bidirectional would appreciate advice type techniques antennas use please internet email us wits ac za \( \) wits ac za \( warren \) blumenow underdog ee wits ac za \( warren \) thank much advance n w
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject wc 93 scores standings , april 25 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 72 1993 world championships germany group standings \( munich \) group b standings \( dortmund \) gp w l gf ga p gp w l gf ga p canada 5 5 0 0 31 4 27 10 czech republic 5 4 1 0 17 4 13 9 sweden 5 3 0 2 17 14 3 6 germany 5 4 0 1 20 12 8 8 russia 5 2 1 2 15 12 3 5 usa 5 2 2 1 14 10 4 6 switzerland 5 2 0 3 11 14 3 4 finland 5 2 1 2 7 7 0 5 italy 4 1 1 2 7 19 12 3 norway 4 0 0 4 1 13 12 0 austria 4 0 0 4 3 21 18 0 france 4 0 0 4 6 19 13 0 april 18 italy russia 2 2 norway germany 0 6 sweden austria 1 0 usa czech republic 1 1 april 19 canada switzerland 2 0 russia austria 4 2 finland france 2 0 april 20 sweden canada 1 4 czech republic germany 5 0 switzerland italy 0 1 finland usa 1 1 april 21 germany france 5 3 italy sweden 2 6 czech republic norway 2 0 april 22 switzerland russia 0 6 usa france 6 1 austria canada 0 11 norway finland 0 2 april 23 switzerland austria 5 1 germany finland 3 1 april 24 russia sweden 2 5 czech republic france 6 2 canada italy 11 2 usa norway 3 1 april 25 sweden switzerland 4 6 finland czech republic 1 3 russia canada 1 3 germany usa 6 3 april 26 austria italy france norway 20 00 playoffs april 27 quarterfinals sweden usa 15 30 russia germany 20 00 april 28 quarterfinals canada finland 15 30 italy switzerland czech republic 20 00 april 29 relegation 5 b 6 15 30 6 b 5 20 00 april 30 semifinals 1 b 4 3 b 2 15 30 4 b 1 2 b 3 20 00 may 1 relegation 14 30 bronze medal game 19 00 may 2 final 15 00 \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 134 article uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu \( larry ludes ludwig \) writes munch must read many os 2 advertisements crash protection marketing gimick , n't funny 4 months using windows new machine 've crash , n't run mill configuration munch following reformatted sound funny , admit true windows crashed time \( read pc mag , exception \) 'd say massive crash problems exceedingly rare windows almost never crashes , crashed errant application \( personal favorite \? one corel 3 0 programs \) hand , os 2 crash randomly number times , mostly running 's applications instance today discovered new one downloading procomm plus windows \( running seamless standard vga drivers run o' da mill vga card 640x480 \) , decided wanted edit copy quote wanted add finger since 've learned really trust seamless , fired full screen winos 23 1 session whoops , download finished winos 2 loading gotten pointer , hit alt escape get back desktop \( lot fonts , loading takes good long \) screen trashed , procomm hangs hm well , sorta see mouse , clicked minimized winos 2 session got back windows session \( color red green yellow brown instead blues \) closed , got back desktop \( fully restored \) pp still sitting , window open , longer connected com port exited \( normal way told still online would hang , though already hung \) hm well , load , bad idea shutdown reboot ok , refresh first , shutdown yes , everything closed hm nothing seems happening let 's see ah , windows list still comes ok , let 's try shutdown go huh alright , wait 60 seconds see 's running slow hmm still seems running os 2 try shutdown nothing oh well reboot enjoy time case , part os crashed , os 2 entirely \( n't even smart enough tell compromised , guess \) everyday \( specifically today \) use os 2 gives windows app ca n't touch \( generally \) anything n't supposed 's idea , anyway truth , program crashes os 2 , bring system programs would gpf windows os 2 , programs fine dos windows bring os 2 screaming halt , task protection instance , i'm still wondering print preview windowed wp 5 1 \( dos \) locks system works fine dos even dos box windows 3 1 \( admittedly , n't crash run full screen , first time bug big , bit hard \) windows works , great maybe people n't see os 2 os choice windows n't crash , n't mind waiting task , please explain time wait anything windows i'm copying formatting floppy , printing \( even , long get 9 11 pages dumped per minute , still go things slowly 's 've downloaded pp 9600 printing \) able adress memory better dos , sure mean os 2 sees 16 megs , uses 5 six 's use \( want count winos 2 \) windows sees 16 megs , uses 3 4 \( like 5 count disk cache os 2 \) memory efficiency big issue , pc geos would current king intel desktop key reasons using os 2 gone probably would still use , would even fight hand finally able say confidence os 2 windows bit hardware sensitivity instance , machine sitting runs fine , machine next constantly locks windows \( ran os 2 without hitch got 5 crash install \) whole , 'd say os 2 whole lot sensitive windows , \( suppose \) machines windows n't like th week think 's wrong believe ism , believe n't ferris \? stupid laws , normal laws
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 16 wrote bit , could take tape local ham operator 's house ask opinion 're hearing communities cannot legally however , ask ham listen interference occurs specific time day , would possible scheduling nothing else , could invite ham transmit driveway , see interferes , probably need equipment worked make immune rf interference people pointed wrong illegal record disclose heard ham bands bill
informatik tu muenchen de \( robert \) subject german audience lunatic \? \? originator informatik tu muenchen de organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 47 article 1993apr21 ousrvr oulu fi , golf phoenix oulu fi \( jouko kylmaoja \) writes watched game germany czechs wc today astonished behaviour german audience ! german team got penalties last period crowd went penalties penalty referee n't call czechs right first goal ! threw coins , extra pucks trash rink stupid \? \? guess canadian referee \( one bros \) gave german team penalty , n't help much guess germans proud nazi kill 'em everyone n't think 's quite silly call nazi attitude , people throw coins ice \? hey , n't approve behavior guys , especially wc game , ca n't see reason using word connection us germans sucks attitude seem kind attitude every possible sport \( remember european champs stockholm soccer \) soccer german problem \( remember world cup italy \) 's big difference throwing coins smashing shop windows fighting called , come wc see dutch english germans best sports talking \? n't think soccer possible really pisses ! mean every single german attitude sucks , seem many germans know \? think 200 10000 \? hear white policemen beating black man us , think americans \? like beating blacks \? jokke kylmaoja golf phoenix oulu fi robert
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 22 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de chance get author really superb program remove point license statement \? least say educational \? understand use software either commercial governmental users result donation creator , everytime rare money universities , schools whatever else institutions restricted situation stays author states treats universities schools institutions context , 'll xv 2 21 maybe disk capacity soon dead , every user copy xv 3 00 home dir brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
djs6015 ultb isc rit edu \( smith \) subject q address zoom \? nntp posting host ultb gw isc rit edu organization r distribution usa zoom v 32bis modem strange problems , would like contact manufacturer address box address \? telephone number \? thanx , smith smith djs6015 ultb rit edu djs6015 ritvax bitnet finger djs6015 ultb rit edu pgp2 1 public key
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject help palestinian education nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 15 04 57 00 1993 lines 104 center policy research cpr subject help palestinian education help palestinian education \( , 11 , april 1993 , publ ramallah friends schools , p box 66 , ramallah , west bank , via israel tel 972 2 , fax 972 2 \) many readers written us asking individuals organizations help palestinian education compiled list suggestions guide interested pursuing one suggested activities , educational network aid coordinating initial contacts , following , providing support may need 1 link teachers' union teachers' union linkage based shared enterprise 2 get union actively support right palestinian teachers occupied territories form unions international labor organization \( union member \) b contacting international unions supported right form union supply names addresses 3 establish scholarship fund one palestinian students study palestinian university school establish scholarship fund palestinian student teacher study university abroad 4 reproduce publish information palestinian education union membership b outside community educational network supply date information statistics 5 send teachers visit occupied territories periods schools session network arrange , make hotel local travel arrangements , provide guide visit 6 sponsor palestinian teachers visit city educational tour see schools speak educators order learn progressive ideas experiences b speak conditions palestinian education network coordinate palestine 7 establish teacher exchange programs one year palestinian teacher private school teaches public private school abroad teacher school spends year palestinian private school 8 send experienced educator occupied territories give workshops \( day workshops two day workshops \) innovative teaching techniques network pay person 's food , , travel palestine , serve guide 9 set pen pal program palestinian school either english french 10 set sister school program palestinian school would actively involve teachers well students schools great tool building international understanding mutual sensitivity 11 keep educational network informed important educational conferences send palestinian teacher attend 12 send educational network articles writings books dealing innovative approaches ideas field education information locally 13 support educational development project occupied territories
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject behave \( waco reading suggestion \) organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 9 come noone mentions eric talking fanatic behavior anymore \? phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
scotts ftcollinsco ncr com \( scott sherman \) subject radar laser detectors distribution world organization ncr microelectronics products division \( company \) lines 20 article gornish sp1 csrd uiuc edu , gornish sp1 csrd uiuc edu \( edward h gornish \) writes people 's opinions laser detectors \? escort makes laser detector , passport 1000 , claims works fine however , 've talked people said work lucky e cop happens point laser car front , laser beam happens reflect back detector otherwise wo n't work regular radar , course , travels directions hence detectable comments \? escort deal \( till end april , think \) , buy wideband \( passport 3200 x , k , ka \) laser detectors , 'll save 60 buying separately case , addition laser detector passport 3200 40 \( e passport 1000 normally costs 100 \) uniden makes one unit \( x , k , ka , laser \) 130 colorado radar sells passive radar jammers , passive supposedly legal , 100 wont help laser however scott
ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) subject ok , little hasty organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 22 article speedy 173 engr latech edu speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes article unisql uucp ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) writes everything louisiana related liquor eating , sleeping , walking , talking , church , state , life , death , everything dare make accusation ! accusation \? thought recommendation \( mean , grow , oughta know \) n't busy unloading beer truck week end , might come talk wit ! b bring truck 10 pounds 'll talk ray shea unisql , inc unisql ! ray cs utexas edu dod 0372 team twinkie '88 hawk gt
cleveland freenet edu \( derek j \) subject question nissan 300zx owners gurus \( esp 87 89 models \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 19 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu purchased used 1988 nissan 300zx \( non turbo \) last year question gear rpm ratios right 5th i'm 2600 2700 rpms 70mph i'm norm \? i'm auto i'm wondering proper ranges \? somehow rpm figures seem high friend mine told hit 60mph 3rd 88 chevy beretta \( 2 8l v6 \) also , anyone know top speed \( redline \? \? \? \) model z \? \( would try would interesting factoid \) thanx ! derek love , two extremes nrl navy mil live , fire ' love , 's life surfing eye see ' guardian wave
woody praxis co uk \( paul \) subject help fdhd failure iicx organization praxis , bath , u k lines 60 repost due net problems hi , problems fdhd iicx ekg reports rom revision 376 reports mac trouble formatting disks time got , fdhd would respond although functions fine checked voltages external drive connector pin 6 showed volts 7 8 giving unloaded power supply sent away repair power supply reinstalled , get following error internal fdhd connected , mac boots fine completion boot cycle alert displays disk unreadable want eject \? every combination response , alert reappears within approx 2 seconds error continuous fdhd spin head seeking fdhd incapable ejecting disk error sequence occurs regardless whether floppy drive pin 6 external connector shows 1 2v , pins 7 8 show 10 75v internal fdhd disconnected , mac boots fine works great \( reports errors \) external connector shows voltage pin 6 pins 7 8 show 10 75v , internal fdhd may , apple 800k external drive gives exactly symptoms internal drive connected either external internal connector \( suitable surgery external drive \) voltages \( internal fdhd disconnected \) follows pin volts pin volts 1 2 5 3 4 5 5 6 5 7 8 9 10 5 11 12 13 10 75 14 5 15 10 75 16 5 17 10 75 18 19 10 75 20 5 machine swim n't think ekg tests tested diodes pica fuses find problems anybody ideas \? best wishes , woody paul praxis plc , software engineering company ross , 20 street , bath , , uk tel 44 225 fax 44 225 woody praxis co uk
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization osu college osteopathic medicine lines 91 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu article usenet ins cwru edu , po cwru edu \( elisabeth davidson \) writes previous article , banschbach vms ocom okstate edu \( \) says least enlightened physicians practicing u 's really bad u medical schools n't cover nutrition , candida would viewed non disease many medical profession case western reserve med school teaches nutrition section well covering sections apply \( e b12 deficiency neuro cause , b12 deficiency cause \) , yet hold viewpoint mainstream medicine candida cause candidiasis , , already sick patients damaged immune systems like aids cancer patients , systemic candida infection think yeast connection bunch hooey well nutrition taught , anyway \? elisabeth , let 's set record straight nth time , read yeast connection anything say due brainwashing hated book 's okay guess hate book , hate \? elisabeth , i'm going quote 's microbiology , 20th edition book familiar hate candida species mucosal surfaces humans birth shortly thereafter risk infection clearly ever present indeed , candidiasis occurs worldwide common systemic play main role preventing systemic infection \( candidiasis \) would low count sick see systemic infection poor diet persistent parasitic set many third world residents candidiasis assessment candidiasis u correct dispute posted discussion candida blooms , without systemic infection blooms would responsible local sites irritation \( gi tract , mouth , vagina sinus cavity \) knocking bacterial competition candida proposed possible trigger candida blooms let quote 's however , factors , use broad spectrum antibiotic , may mucosal systemic infections addressing mucosal infections \( like term blooms better \) nutrition course teach covers effect antibiotic treatment well cure guess nutrition course , bad brief primer yeast yeast infections , commonly called , truely caused yeasts common organism responsible type infection candida albicans monilia actually yeast like fungus well , maybe i'm getting picky , always thought yeast one form fungus could exist , mold form many occur either yeasts molds , depending environment candida known reverse exists mold tissues exists yeast environment maybe call mold infection \? fungus infection \? maybe say caused mold like fungus martin banschbach , ph professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology osu college osteopathic medicine 1111 west 17th st tulsa , ok 74107 're chairman biochem micro n't know yeast form fungus \? \( shudder \) maybe know , oversimplifying \? , elisabeth , detect little steve dyer \? noticed faculty rank , i'm , candida fungus \( according 's \) , point , displays capable producing yeast cells , true hyphae elisabeth , probably makes lot sense , 's lot greek called yeast like fungus , go ahead crucify know elisabeth , still n't able figure small little organism like candida bring much hostility people sci med must got sucked mud keep hoping people take time think 've said , make sense i'm asking anyone buy yeast connection book n't know 's book , plain simple honest , i'm beginning wish never written marty b
gw wmich edu subject pc paint program \( v1 1 \? \) help organization western michigan university lines 14 looking shareware graphics package called v1 1 saw shareware catalog hoping could ftp net unable locate tried archie gone entire comp graphics newsgroup looking reference found none also looked faq also reference program called v1 1 anyone heard knows get would appreciate suggestions pc based shareware paint programs would also appreciated email responses much thanks , sean
hhd0 harvey gte com \( horace dediu \) subject 300 series , vw passat organization gte laboratories , waltham , lines 9 go mercedes , afford think 300 wagon starts around 50k , although could 60k comparison cars listed horace dediu gte laboratories \( 617 \) 466 40 sylvan road internet gte com waltham ,
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject grant fuhr leads sabres nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 21 buffalo 2 0 series boston , reason grant fuhr \? fuhr playoff hungry , 's proving call money goaltender fuhr might one best goaltenders league anymore \( statistically least \) , 's proving make big save right time leafs kept fuhr , probably would chance powerhouse detroit game 1 \? see huge smile gerald 's face fuhr 's performance \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga distribution usa lines 33 ursa bear com halat panther bears \( jim halat \) writes article 1993apr17 bsu ucs 00cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? oh yeah , h start video king got prone postion charge cops \? sorry , video cuts sit watch start even rodney king come car waving gun managed disarm , police still right right beat senseless way ground ca n't handle jobs , relieved police beat king ground beat knees trying get back entire video would seen additionally , anna new york times said best \( paraphrase \) many people bring happened shown tape 's came 80 's , ronald reagan , george bush , racism , think true , much less relevant , shape thought mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? organization computer science department , stanford university distribution na lines 32 article 1993apr20 ncar ucar edu woods ncar ucar edu \( greg woods \) writes alright , 's enough 've suffered kinds insults \( typical net \) , give break galarraga currently batting 400 guys complaining n't drawing enough walks would please guys , bat 1 000 \? hardly claim hurting team fine , willing bet bat 400 rest way \? point hurt rockies far 's hurt , eventually much hurt expos cardinals past couple seasons happens pitchers start throwing fewer good pitches starts making lots outs \( someone speculated might happen \) , would agree n't taking enough pitches comment happened past 3 seasons \? n't paid walk n't mean license swing bad pitches make outs 's along lines 's batting 400 leading league rbi 's bloody difference make n't drawing lot walks \? sheesh 'll see come september \( outstanding bet someone galarraga 's obp less 300 june 1 \) go california angels ! nelson lu \( claudius leland stanford edu \)
ucs orst edu \( john kaufman \) subject wanted old 70 's record article gaia distribution usa organization university computing services osu lines 15 nntp posting host ucs orst edu i'm looking old album cassette tape group sanford townsend name album distant \( think \) album came somewhere around 1975 76 , believe first album produced kenny jim messina broke happen album willing part , great n't want part , willing copy onto cassette 'd love thanks jk ucs orst edu
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject clinton \? \? \? distribution world organization acme products lines 10 article uta fi , cs uta fi \( francis \) writes would like know clintons background anglo saxon , irish , italian hispanic etc 's 1 2 liar , 1 2 cheat 1 2 demagogue brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
subject earth also pollutes scientists believe rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) nntp posting host 128 159 2 197 lines 32 article gr ncratl atlantaga ncr com , mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) says many environmentalists attributed 1988 drought u global warming , researchers national center atmospheric research educated open minded environmentalists one effective come backs seen long time everybody disagrees stupid closed minded , means , like majority environmental scientists researchers , agree el la nina southern systems climatic phenomena categorized humans drought \( 1988 \) furthermore , response earlier message , 1992 u est output sulfur dioxide \( 20 mill tons \) equivalent entire output recent mt \( sp \) currently world carbon dioxide levels set approx 360 ppm , past 120 , 000 years never gone 280 \( info found using ice core samples joint french russian u vostok project \) furthermore , background emmisions chlorine compounds 0 6 ppb annually , sits 3 5 overwhelming data info found world resources doc published oxford university ozone hole northern southern hemispheres keeps getting bigger around longer whilst skeptics ponder wrong corrupt data government international scientific institutions pity , , skeptics wrong base complacency limbaugh psycho babble , find strapped limited options rectify primal engineering industrial age employer n't subscribe opinions , data disclaimer
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject saturn extended warranty keywords warranty organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 36 article shelley u washington edu gaia carson u washington edu \( gaia \) writes article crhc uiuc edu vivek crhc uiuc edu \( vivek \) writes advice saturn extended warranty placed order saturn sl2 expected next week saturn retailer gave pamphlets extended warranty plan thinking first time new car buyer , seeking advice veterans esp bought saturns lately fyi , listed features saturn extended warranty plan car comes 3 years 36 , 000 mile bumper bumper warranty plan extended coverage covers cost repairs engine front wheel drive 24 hour roadside assistance program coverage term \( years miles \) deductible 5 60 , 000 6 75 , 000 6 100 , 000 50 375 550 725 say extended warranties ripoff , high profit item dealers really want point buying 5 60k , 6 , 6 100k get 3yr 36k free buying 2 24k , 3 , 3 64k keep mind look cost vs coverage another point many car companies routinely fix car problems warranty \? design manufacturing defects company owns , keeping customer happy , etc
com \( \) subject new study gay percentage organization investment corporation , ct lines 40 article rick howtek mv com \( rick roy \) writes called \( tm \) try refer , please note many religious beliefs evolved basic , pragmatic principles day day living lived certainly many religious beliefs seem positive principles everyday living indeed , believe islamic religion avoids alcohol \( apologize name wrong religion \) certainly physical positive many respects however , proves nothing something basic , pragmatic principle day day living today n't mean evolved especially beliefs \( mostly \) positions held based interpretations religion religious beliefs come many places backed \( many levels arguments \) 's written god says i'm basic , pragmatic principle mean context belief based faith , definition necessarily backed logic faith given god absolute truth arguing religion also , many religions would reject thesis beliefs simply come day day principles , wish use religious arguments prepared back says fill religious document , religions \( things least denote religions \) based writings teachings fill religious figure note religion charged topic offended anyone regarding references god , apologize please insert sensible references , argument apply nearly religions \( com \) opinions expressed within solely author subject change confronted new information logical , coherent arguments
h2o ens fr \( philippe \) subject clipper chip nntp posting host ens fr organization ecole superieure , paris , france lines 42 article 145 almaden ibm com , jbs watson ibm com writes realistic government try keep details encrytion algorithm secret intends use evidence james b think use eavesdropping evidence however , using info gather listening , go searching right place find good , strong evidence , use court question currently , easy wire tap , technical point view , least anybody using appropriate radio receiver listen communications car telephone ground station police also , obviously clipper chip make much difficult non authorized person eavesdrop \( note write impossible \) privacy thus improve current situation poeple really something hide already use phone speak things illegal operation really worth , one afford critical data carried person rather sending electronically clipper chip change problem politic foreign countries never accept clipper chip access escrow cannot directly granted police following law , us law e country escrow possible monitor international traffic \? , encrypted international traffic possible \? international escrow , kind u n thing \? forbidding communication impractical possible spot communication thousands megabytes data circulate various existing networks private networks \? impossible volume electronic traffic next years think clipper chip interesting device limit risk , instance , one 's girlfriend 's husband listening wife 's communications bring regards security worth \? think cost limited , think many privacy invasions done official services , also private entities clipper help reducing provided hope much , real danger helpful ph
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject need clipper cheap security \? organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 30 nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article news claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) writes remember announcement described scheme balancing two extremes privacy claiming citizens constitutional right encryption \? much clinton 's support right privacy 's announcement talked strong cryptography believe specifically u saying every american , matter right , entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product every vendor claims product unbreakable sloppy wording claiming private citizens access nsa 's best , secret algorithms n't want nsa algorithms , actually 'll let break pitiful amateur algorithms rsa 's want already ability right invent use algorithms , share friends sell disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) subject clinton 's wiretapping initiative nntp posting host dzoo ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard company , chelmsford , lines 29 article news aero org helfman aero org \( robert helfman \) writes article 9304161803 aa23713 inet gw 2 pa dec com blh uiboise idbsu edu \( broward l horne \) writes look newsgroup , able find clinton 's proposed wiretapping initiative computer networks telephone systems 'initiative congress least past 6 months , guise fbi wiretapping bill kind brainless posted garbage \? would kind explain clinton 's initiative , congress least past 6 months \? clinton 's initiative pushing hard n't liberals supposed concerned privacy rights \? want know wiretapping initiative , read 1984 's , installed every bedroom disclaimer opinions expressed mine , employer 's
uni duesseldorf de \( \) subject krillean photography organization , heinrich heine universitaet duesseldorf lines 47 nntp posting host rz uni duesseldorf de article 1993apr27 magnus acs ohio state edu wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu \( william vanhorne \) writes newsgroups sci energy , sci image processing , sci anthropology , alt sci physics new theories , sci skeptic , sci med , alt alien visitors path rz uni duesseldorf de ! rrz uni koeln de ! gmd de ! newsserver jvnc net ! howland reston ans net ! zaphod mps ohio state edu ! magnus acs ohio state edu ! wvhorn wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu \( william vanhorne \) subject krillean photography message id 1993apr27 magnus acs ohio state edu sender news magnus acs ohio state edu nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university references 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu boi usenet ucs indiana edu c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu date tue , 27 apr 1993 23 32 34 gmt lines 33 xref rz uni duesseldorf de sci energy sci image processing sci anthropology alt sci physics new theories sci skeptic sci med alt alien visitors article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics especially usa grateful , columbus drop edge earth one thing open minded demonstrated false , quite another believe something like photography , claimed effects demonstrated artifacts longer reason adopt wait see attitude photography , experimentally shown nothing simple coronal discharge auras shown missing leaf parts came moisture left original whole leaf , example 's science , son bill vanhorne
ez027993 dale ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) subject ron gant , , hirschbeck organization julio vigil society lines 88 \( dale stephenson \) writes see want cut time spent walking around , gant n't ordered back box sooner , ordered back immediately soon stepped , hirschbeck told get back box , gant n't take lot walks pitches reason bothered call expect concentration n't yet , crucial situation imagine 's best calm possible contributing factors would gant 's bad day plate , bad year plate , braves long scoring drought hirschbeck 's job help gant difficulties gant ca n't gather concentration whatever reason , makes meat batter 's box umpire 's job maintain flow play gant entitled time faculties anyone else , 's pretty stupid go ahead talk walk umpire telling get know umpire going something \( call strike , throw , etc \) gant wrong absolutely think 'd accurate say gant foolish hirschbeck wrong , biased view aside major chip seemed shoulder , problem gant reason want time \( disputed strike call \) disputed strike call ample reason timeout , games would last nine fifteen weeks , jack morris dave pitching disputed strike call sufficient time suck , get back box , never blue 're going change mind , 're going come across pinhead , wo n't help borderline calls never speak umpires n't know personally , glance , react calls result , think get fair share borderline calls plate , rep good eye \( actually , lot negative connotations go rep , including copious questions , party affiliation , sexual preference \) gant n't wasting time game game cruising along , two hours old irrelevant wasting time score 1 0 , 2 outs ninth runner scoring position reason hirschbeck could n't , n't , cut gant little slack \? 1 's job 2 setting precedent cutting slack easily extend 3 hour games \( kind like phantom dp \) discernible constructive reason , hirschbeck disrupted game , caused five minute delay , hurt batter key situation date get \? gant hurt , braves disrupted game biases exposed , i'm sitting defending umpires sf giants , like defending gary , jack , swedish abortion team still wonder terry tossed earlier game believe terry said magic word truly quick ways get tossed ballgame primer , email good ways get tossed game 1 ask ken kaiser got money back system 2 kiss rich garcia lips , say hi , honey , i'm home ! 3 goose eric gregg 4 ask bruce parents children lived 5 get naked \( source greg spira book diamond , told peter gammons 1991 , collier press \) gary huckabay outside \? ! right pipe , kenny ! realize n't great control , dave net c'mon ! gary , styrofoam cup really plate 's foot right throw ball
galen med virginia edu \( robert e schmieg \) subject med school admission organization university virginia lines 79 hoss panix com writes hi , ive applied class 93 quite number schools \( 20 \) gotten 13 rejects , 4 interviews 3 responses three possible results interview 1 \) rejection outright 2 \) acceptance outright 3 \) infamous , entrance medical school dependent upon applicant withdrawing acceptance happen late day 1 starting classes one know heck people send acceptance letters \? according med school admissions book supposed send number class mid march whats going losing sanity checking mailbox every day always call admissions office secretaries idea decision might made application calm , respectful , friendly secretaries power might realize , never know could dean admissions answering phone also anyone useful alternatives case dont get , n't get year , sit evaluate motives , desires , goals directing medicine academic accomplishments make decision whether really want medical doctor classmates dropped first semester med school found wanted friends applied four years row accepted medicine career choice must make pushed parents family significant still want medical doctor , determine improve application letter recommendation professor knows well give honest positive recommendation far better one famous professor vaguely remembers face also , n't afraid ask people give honest positive recommendation give chance say 'no , instead medical school saying 'no , turned writing recommendations students know well enough make meaningful comments , honestly could recommend point rewrite personal statement take english professor friendly person skill experience writing proof reading get criticism , saying well say review academic accomplishments grades poor area , n't afraid spend time evidence determined committment help filled pre medicine curriculum gut courses , usually shows look participating local service organizations plus substantial leadership roles organization help also beware things difficult spot weed overall , clear conception wish head want get , combined honest self appraisal skills aptitude , best path take applying program , medical good luck process tom petty says , 'the waiting hardest , least emotionally \) bob schmieg
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject new study gay percentage organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 46 nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 1993apr16 galileo cc rochester edu , as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes purpose post \? show mindless obsession statistics , incredibly flawed system reasoning , repellent hatemonger agenda , purpose accomplished panache \( \) get clue \( b \) get life \( c \) get face i'm bi andrew simchik schnopia ! yes rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face gosh , associate heterosexuals every day ! means 've imposed moral codes , n't \? fortunately , taken time get know members het community discovered , hey ! really evil concept reality ! 've got clues \( \) i'm working pass laws \( b \) morals morals imagine value freedom value freedom , must necessarily accept laws important protect , discriminate one area 're open discriminate rest \( c \) suggest learning bit gays , lesbians , bis post kind drivel 's obvious n't clue 're talking clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , members sex , right \? live hypocrisy \? drewcifer bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
af664 yfn ysu edu \( frank decenso , jr \) subject christianity crisis hank hanegraaff organization youngstown state youngstown free net lines 6 anyone read important book \? , feelings \? frank one wished contend , could answer one time thousand job 9 3
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject blue led 's x xxmessage id dialup slip 1 87 gw umn edu x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 03 04 58 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 87 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 10 article inqmind bison mb ca baden de bari , baden inqmind bison mb ca writes anybody 'scoop' fairly low priced blue led 's \? \? \? 1 stock 25 214 1 3 4 25 213 1 29 vf 3 0 3 4 , , , mfg call 1 800 524 disclaimer dont know guys bar soap , price looks reasonable
tichauer valpso hanse de \( manfredo tichauer \) subject israeli terrorism organization private site manfredo tichauer lines 78 rj3s virginia edu writes message id 1993apr26 virginia edu date mon , 26 apr 1993 20 27 14 gmt first , following two quite normal phrases anyone venture answer andi 's question intelligent manner \? please start intelligent conversation \? shows us means intelligent manner intelligent conversation never seen immaturity among deleted lines ones guilty backing viewpoints fact israelophiles deleted lines insult race ! assuming also semitic deleted lines later reveals truth mention i'm anti semitic i'm part jewish deleted lines anti semite \( call anti jew \) , maybe part jewish \( e g mother might dated jew n't marry , got little bastard taught hatred \) also coward since n't dare sign name end signs highly intelligent intellectual phrase pissed immature , closeminded , self righteous semites rj3s virginia edu writes message id 1993apr26 virginia edu date mon , 26 apr 1993 20 34 25 gmt know ed , 're right ! andi n't comparing israel nazis israelis much worse nazis ever anyway nazis lot good germany , would succeeded n't damn jews holocaust never happened anyway ample evidence given george schafer harvard , dept history , even randolph higgins nyu , shown holocaust semitic conspiracy created obtain sympathy creation israel nazis might also sent bastard gas chambers part jewish ness \( aware \) ps wonder kind educational institution virginia edu could free kkk university virginia \? \) manfredo tichauer email tichauer valpso hanse de 14 voice \( 49 40 \) 27 42 27 2000 hamburg 60 germany fax \( 49 40 \) 270 53 09
christen astro ocis temple edu \( carl christensen \) subject asimov stamp organization temple university lines 19 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 battin cyclops iucf indiana edu \( laurence gene battin \) writes apart suggestion appeared letters column skeptical inquirer recently , mention possible asimov commemorative stamp \? idea n't followed , anyone know needs done get happen \? think great idea start petition something \? believe 's 10 year period time death person commemorative stamp broken lyndon johnson \( think \) held awhile course , still start elvis stamp ages things really moved got past 10 year anniversary death carl christensen , , , dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser curiouser ! lc ``` philadelphia , pa usa
nigel allen nigel allen canrem com subject occupational injuries disease workers memorial day reply nigel allen nigel allen canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution sci lines 97 press release american federation state , county municipal employees unions point deadly afscme , unions commemorate workers memorial day national desk , labor writer contact janet rivera american federation state , county municipal employees , , 202 429 washington , april 23 american federation state , county municipal employees \( afscme \) unions wednesday , april 28 , commemorate fifth annual workers memorial day day pay 6 million workers killed , injured , job year , afscme focus workers memorial day efforts dangerous environment corrections officers must work earlier month , afscme corrections officer , robert , killed inmates corrections facility , ohio law order agenda 1980s resulted steady increase prison population past five years jn 1 , 1992 , prison population 709 , 587 projections show continued increase number inmates , expected prison population 811 , 253 1994 conditions prison population created corrections officers partially reflected number assaults inmates staff assaults staff increased dramatically 1987 1989 , remain high 1987 , 808 assaults inmates staff , compared 9 , 961 assaults 1991 increased number inmates brought dangerous combination example ohio officer ratio 1 8 4 second worst ratio nation national average 1 5 3 health safety issues facing corrections officers include aids , hepatitis b , tuberculosis , stress , chemical hazards afscme 50 , 000 members work nation 's federal , state local correctional facilities correction officers alone performing jobs life threatening conditions every year , 10 , 000 american workers die job related injuries , tens thousands die occupational disease public employees nation 's dangerous jobs perilous include highway workers highway workers often injured frequently killed moving traffic work zones n't proper lighting health care workers hospitals highest number job related injuries illnesses private sector employer nursing homes ranked fifth 325 , 000 job related illnesses injuries private sector hospitals 1991 , almost 10 percent previous year generally believed health care workers employed public sector hospitals nursing homes significantly higher rate injuries illnesses private sector counterparts health safety issues facing health care workers include exposure tuberculosis hiv virus , back injuries , high levels stress social workers social workers work mental health institutions often victims assaults , sometimes , fatal attacks instance , last october , man carrying semiautomatic handgun walked county social services building watkins glenn , n fatally shot social services workers , turning gun two basic problems first growing lack support services people n't help need workers overworked , clients given adequate amount counselling conditions may cause clients become frustrated quality clients also becoming violent , moved institutions nearly 2 million workers killed workplace hazards since osha passed moreover , afscme president gerald w explains , osha provide workplace safety protections public employees 1 , 600 public employees killed year job , yet 27 states still provide federally approved osha coverage public employees , said , despite fact public employees highway workers , health care workers , corrections officers , name dangerous work society year fighting passage osha reform legislation give workers greater rights protections , finally guarantee public employees safe need public support successful government workers suffer 25 percent injuries private sector workers , injuries almost 75 percent severe public employees exempted osha law passed 1970 today , public employees half states osha coverage 30 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
eng umd edu \( christopher \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 11 nntp posting host multiplexer eng umd edu yeah , seems toyota always problem 2 2 's sound know em pretty , exception , large displacement 4s bad noise 90 grand h quad 4 , sounds really good , almost like larger 6 , toyota coming new celica next year mr2 well knows later chris
ken sugra uucp \( kenneth ng \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization private computer , totowa , nj lines 18 article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article 1993apr30 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes also , implied posters , need boost orbit mission anyway \? n't need , 's desirable hst , like satellites low earth orbit , gradually losing altitude due air drag deployed highest orbit shuttle could reach , reason needs occasional eventually \( propulsion system \) thought given going boost hst yet \? give push \? see push start cartoons \) kenneth ng please reply ken blue njit edu might elaborate simulation running little device sitting someone 's table j l picard st tng
sdb ssr com \( scott \) subject burzynski 's antineoplastons reply jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu 's message 20 apr 93 22 16 24 est lines 44 organization research article jschwimmer 123 wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu \( josh schwimmer \) writes opinions burzynski 's antineoplastons information current status research would appreciated burzynski 's work promising none 1 5 antineoplastons shown effects experimental cancer nci conducted tests 2 5 mice , result doses high enough produce toxic effects mice effective growth tumor killing \( 1983 1985 \) burzynski claims 10 active factor common 1 5 \( something shown , 10 extracted 2 also n't shown 1 5 actually distinct substances \) nci conducted series tests using 10 standard panel tumors included different cell lines tumors following classes , non small cell small cell lung cancer , colon cancer , cancer central nervous system , melanoma , cancer renal cancer 10 exhibited neither growth dose levels tested necessary process 10 since soluble \( burzynski 's theory requires soluble agents \) , basically \( calls 2 5 \) information carrying , something claims necessary activity 2 1 \( also derived 10 \) 4 1 mixture pa pa \( also \) purchased chemical supply houses 0 09 gram 10 chemically extremely similar , habit forming cause peripheral nasty effects widely known spite similarity , 10 appear tested 's potential induce peripheral many burzynski 's statements origin theory , early research , past present support others work shown untrue sdb sdb ssr com
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject parable organization partnership america free drug distribution usa lines 100 microsoft com \( scott miller \( \) \) writes concern government 's ability eavesdrop little ca n't today \? understanding already tap , listen , get access phone lines , bank records , etc etc well , ca n't listen much mine , since already use cryptography much electronic mail , start using telephony soon practical however , allow tell parable far away land called ruritania , ruritania strange trees grew transparent , days people lived mud huts , problem , high tech wood technology developed , new age wood , everyone ruritania found homes 100 see , point , one ever thought allowing police spy someone 's home , new technology made tempting civilized country , however , warrants required use binoculars watch someone home police , taking advantage , would get warrants use binoculars peer see going occassionally , would use binoculars without warrant , everyone pretended n't happen one day , smart man invented paint painted house , suddenly police could n't watch actions things would go back way old age completely private , state decided try require homes video cameras installed every , said , new development crime could run rampant installing video cameras n't mean police get new capability keeping old one wise man pointed citizens obligated make lives police easy , police survived mud hut age without able watch citizens , ruritania civilized country everything expedient permitted instance , neighboring country , discovered torture extremely effective way solve crimes ruritania banned practice spite indeed , warrants , asked , interested \? famous paint , dorothy quisling , intervened however noted people might take photographs children new paint technology widely deployed without safeguards , law passed soon discovered citizens would cover mouths speaking , thus preventing police reading lips video cameras prevented , police said , preventing conducting lawful wise man pointed police never allowed listen people 's homes , dorothy quisling pointed people might use new invention covering mouths discuss kidnapping mutilation children one legislature wanted accused favor children , , one wanted interfere people 's rights wear liked , compromise reached whereby homes installed microphones room accompany video cameras wise man child ever solved old lip reading technology , late microphones installed however , discovered insufficient prevent citizens hiding information authorities , would cleverly speak languages police could understand new law proposed force citizens speak times , , good measure , require speak clearly distinctly near microphones , dorothy quisling pointed , might using opportunity speak private mask terrorist activities ! terrorism struck terror everyone 's hearts , new law meanwhile , wise man talked one evening friends making sham constitution ruritania , proud , asked , obligated sacrifice freedom privacy make lives police easier \? n't real evidence makes big dent crime anyway ! make privacy forfeit state ! however , wise man made mistake saying , law required , , clearly distinctly , near microphone soon , newly formed secret police arrived took , got confess torturing torture , , far efficient old methods , recently instituted stop recent wave people thinking thoughts tomatoes , dorothy quisling noted one major problems new age plenty joy perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
mvp netcom com \( mike van pelt \) subject race violence organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 31 article 1993apr18 magnus acs ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu \( aaron c \) writes basically , think tendency non african americans believe something wrong us exists non african americans n't want deal society deeply biased african americans , 80 problem something terribly wrong , however , culture condemns , attacks , often kills members attempt get education mother elementary school teacher , tells african american frustrated tears fact african american child attempts well school get education accused peers trying white , beaten , , tormented goes beyond passing grade test earning beating mother 's school , one promising young students , happened african american , throat cut one young thugs nobody buys culture hope anything poor thug dead , regardless color changed culture culture ca n't changed , african american kids willing separate must separated murderous thugs whatever color otherwise , future bright young african american girls wanted doctors end dead school bus let 's face , comes utilities , microsoft mike van pelt performed well savings loan mvp netcom com guys , remember , put backup restore mvp com mention hard disk lincoln spector
badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) subject sinus surgery septoplasty organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 31 ent doctor recommended surgery fix sinuses nasal \( probably result least partially several \) one side approximately 10 15 normal flow course known years recently discovered suffer chronic sinus infection , discovered mri severe migraine ct scan subsequently confirmed problems sinuses wants sinus surgery , , frontal , , along nasal septoplasty explained procedure , risks would like know anyone tell surgery , helped \? \( 've already heard couple said n't really help \) moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see relief asthma sinus surgery also said unheard migraines go away sinusitis relieved 42 relevant information appreciated regards , jay keller sunnyvale , california badboy netcom com
subject binghampton rangers playoff games kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 5 anyone know msg televise binghampton rangers playoff games even taped replays would nice \?
murthy asl dl nec com \( vasudev murthy \) subject gateway 4dx 33v high price \? nntp posting host organization nec america , inc irving , texas lines 48 asked opinions yesterday gateway machines e mail received indicated solid , reliable machines technical support good well , gateway faxed price sheet seems higher side , , maybe dell 's price similar price whole lot decent deal \? please advise via email ! dx 33v 80486dx 33 mhz desktop case 64k sram cache \( 20 ns \) 8mb dram \( 70 ns simms \) expandable 1 2 mb 1 44 epson diskette drives 250 mb western digital ide \( 13 ms \) dtr local bus ide interface ati ultra pro vl bus 1mb vram 24 bit drivers 15 crystalscan color monitor phoenix bios clock calendar 8 16 bit isa slots , 2 32 bit vesa local bus slots 1 parallel 2 serial ports intel overdrive ready upgradeable pentium technology 124 key programmable keyboard dos 6 0 windows 3 1 microsoft mouse qa plus one excel , ms word , paradox , project etc h 95 nec 3fgx upgrade would cost 250 please advise ! thanks ! vasudev vasudev murthy opinions expressed strictly murthy asl dl nec com nothing \( 214 \) 518 advanced switching lab , nec america , inc 1525 walnut hill lane irving tx
ucs indiana edu \( \) subject kaw kz650 owners tankbag stuff \? nntp posting host educ indiana edu organization indiana university lines 5 wondering kind \( brand , name , etc \) would best bike thanks advice ucs indiana edu
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject 48 bit graphics keywords 48 bit alpha channel image lines 41 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article 1993apr24 cs wisc edu , oehler yar cs wisc edu \( sane \) writes recently talking possible employer \( mine ! \) \) made reference 48 bit graphics computer image processing system seem remember called image something akin anyway , claimed 48 bit color 12 bit alpha channel 's 60 bits info could possibly \? specifically 48 bit color \? 's 280 trillion colors , many human eye resolve anti aliasing thing \? magic number make work better certain processor well 48 bit colour could improved resolution 16 bits per channel seems like bit excessive seen paper quoted 10 bits per channel 12 bits computational precision would seem wasted perhaps frame buffer uses another needs bits represent full range rgb cube compact encoding likely however two separate 24 bit \( 8 bits per component \) frame buffers set , called double buffering , allows complex 3d picture built one buffer buffer \( containing previous frame \) displayed makes smoother animation \( sadly , access none dec 5000 25 sigh \) well hey want brag numbers , 5000 range take pxg turbo card 96 bits per pixel full double buffering \( two 24 bit buffers \) , 24 bit z buffer extra 24 bit buffer screen image storage mind card costs workstation chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
little carina hks com \( jim littlefield \) subject printer driver wanted organization , karlsson sorensen , inc lines 8 nntp posting host carina hks com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 i'm looking printer driver apple imagewriter ii \( printer actually jim littlefield two things infinite universe little hks com human stupidity , sure former albert einstein
eerik iastate edu \( eerik j villberg \) subject ok , little hasty organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 17 jnmoyne 190493111630 moustic lbl gov jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes ok , hold second clarify something dwi stand \? thought dui driving influence , w stand \? iowa \( operating influence \) \( operating motor vehicle influence \) \( gov't \) changed people motor boats could also charged drunk driving eerik j villberg p people eerik iastate edu e eating 4208 harris street tasty ames ia 50010 animals
dwarf bcarh601 bnr ca \( w jim jordan \) subject 77 's \? nntp posting host bcarh601 organization bell northern research ltd , ottawa , ontario , canada lines 20 article 1r23on 4p6 bigboote wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) writes need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated believe phil esposito first wear 77 played rangers '70s season put rangers crest modern style numbers jerseys instead new york rangers block letters two colour numbers took 77 rangers already 7 \( hockey night canada made big thing , saying biggest uniform style change long time pittsburgh vancouver changed colours \) dwarf w jim jordan n't mean tell live dwarf bnr ca \( internet \) life 's tv 's work bnr speak n't believe jesus , 'd going hell peter heath
nyx cs du edu \( charles ellis \) subject deal blue book value auto \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 8 's toll insurance companies auto dealers rip case accident trade charlie ellis nyx cs du edu charlie ellis nyx cs du edu
kralizec zeta org au \( steven murray \) subject need sdk well \? organization kralizec dialup unix sydney 61 2 837 1183 v 32bis lines 14 nntp posting host kralizec zeta org au summary need sdk well \? keywords sdk , windows microsoft windows device driver kit \( \) documentation \( blurb \) states user must separately acquire microsoft windows software development kit \( sdk \) , contains windows tools build drivers using borland c application frameworks , necessary \? also copy microsoft press programmer 's reference library \( books \) normally comes sdk , microsoft macro assembler 6 0 sdk neccessary development virtual device drivers \? steven murray \( posted behalf brian davies \)
condor tramp cc utexas edu \( george \) subject problem winqvt net 2 81 dos 6 0 organization university texas austin lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host tramp cc utexas edu using winqvt net 2 81 win3 1 \( dos 5 0 \) quite sometime without problem recently installed dos 6 0 386 40 pc cannot run winqvt net keep getting packet received invalid port reset sent messages console window ca n't get 1 telnet window ca n't use ftp ! ! ! suggestions would greatly appreciated thanks , george \( condor ccwf cc utexas edu \)
nyx cs du edu \( dave dennis \) subject drivers stealth 24 organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 30 hubcap clemson edu \( david e brown \) writes doug ward writes recently purchased diamond stealth 24 video card received wrong drivers anyone know ftp proper drivers \? file cica work video card please respond doug sun sws uiuc edu thank doug ward want get get \( also date \) use bbs 1 408 439 may take hour download rates low yeah , know costs locking system gets old quick maybe someone net 've got stealth drivers david number gave borland bbs , darned find stealth drivers ! diamond 's bbs 1 408 730 1100 according manual got stealth 24 bunch trouble using right drivers came card \( locking , de , etc \) hope better ! dave
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 18 article morgan demon co uk tony morgan demon co uk writes article 1993apr23 megatek com randy megatek com writes go change laws physics \? \) according numbers used see bandied around , shaft drive order 95 97 efficient , chain drive closer 99 seems makes chain drive efficient , hmmmmm \? \? \? well maintained chains , running oil , without little rubber 'o' rings cause losses , might reach 99 efficiency average open dust 'o' ring motorcycle chain probably difficult job making 90 efficient sources numbers \? stuff everybody knows \? blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject societal basis morality organization university illinois urbana lines 66 1993apr20 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) morals come societally accepted , follow \? right expect others follow notion societally mandated morality \? pardon extremism , could n't murder brother say exercising rights saw , felt good , n't want anyone forcing morality , n't follow morality \? believe morality subjective person entitled moral attitudes mine priori correct someone elses mean however must judge another basis rather moral standards entitled believe moral sense tells , rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments behavior offensive majority \? \? might makes right \? force morality \? ca n't want \? decide \? disagree \? criminals see behavior moral may realize immoral care thus following moral system immoral good point , immoral opinion n't let choose , make decision actions wrong someone lay claim alternative moral system , must sincere belief must internally consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense admit lean toward idea innate moral sense , little basis yet far concept extended \? thus may incapable behaving morally someone like hitler may believed actions moral , may judge immoral standards mean could say would wrong us thing , behaving morally eyes chose basis condemn societies besides , 's buzz words , idea actions wrong humans societies \? holding morality subjective mean must excuse murderer \? objective suddenly \? david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
34aej7d cmuvm bitnet distribution usa subject encryption chip availibility lines 16 article andrew cmu edu , stephen j andrew cmu edu says hi everybody ! anyone know companies currently manufacturing encryption chips sale general public \? get ! pointers would greatly appreciated thanks steve believe fisher \( sp \? \) international , makers watchdog \( tm \) pc security package offers hardware implementation des add package
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization sun microsystems lines 46 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com article 3890 rpp386 , jfh rpp386 \( john f haugh ii \) writes article blake 70 nevada edu blake nevada edu \( rawlin blake \) writes hoping kent state taught us lesson apparently apparently government murder anyone choose still 's right despite claims someone kent state fire shotgun soldiers , projectiles anyone prove sent direction soldiers rocks john f haugh ii pgp 2 1 ! 's ! cs utexas edu ! rpp386 ! jfh bell \( 512 \) 251 dof 17 's jfh rpp386 cactus org firearms ever ever shot national guard kent state time shooting , rocks thrown squad slowly proceeding knoll , away body students students taunting , photographs incident show one two students following taunting series photographs show squad slowly proceeding hill , occasionally , 45 hand turned back look came , command , entire squad turned fired m1 , firing 30 06 rounds crowd \( shown 45 full \) least two students shot nothing passing , participants confrontation dispute whether guard even legally campus apparently invited onto state school president , conveniently flown coop , around governor ohio , james rhodes , senate campaign , wanted known tough , ordered guard matter quickly covered years later , wounded survivors launched civil lawsuit responsible settlement made , terms , plaintiffs could discuss much , guilty individuals identified \( fact , shooters squad identified \) tragic incident , provoked students , apparently general command studying incident photos , imo looks like independent action small squad soldiers
stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) subject earwax keywords earwax organization university missouri lines 6 healthiest way deal earwax \? one leave ear mess , clean every often \? cleaning damage \? tubes ear might get blocked \? stephen
mizzou1 missouri edu \( david k drum \) subject happened dkb l trearn \? \? \? organization university missouri x posted mizzou1 missouri edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 12 hello , 've dkbtrace povray mailing list trearn bitnet time , tried post day listserv told list n't exist ! got global list groups listserv nothing ! every string could think frank , ville saari , andre beck , anyone else 's regular dkb l tell going , please ! regards , david k drum mizzou1 missouri edu
microsoft com \( phil \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation distribution usa lines 32 article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) writes jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes much bs deleted brevity , point microsofties sell readers products \( would conflict ads philosophy usenet \) necessarily access info others certainly smacks ! remember poll quoted saying seen 95 users satisfied dos 6 0 \? care recall unbiased sample set \? post sure looked like fud coming microsoftie well , sure seemed like something level recall , jen said right front sample set derived 's fud \? advocacy good spreading fud advocate favorite os unethical especially vested interest success os mean flame ever see \? face advocacy groups kind things 're preaching created first place filter crap newsgroups might contain real information phil nothing posted way , shape , form official microsoft policy opinion , represented quoted forum microsoft com
gabi ap mchp sni de \( oliver \) subject subject 16550 v 16550a \? \? \? organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 16 distribution world reply gabi ap mchp sni de \( \) nntp posting host 139 21 18 129 article 1993apr22 ns1 cc lehigh edu write 's difference 16550 uart 16550a uart \? thanks ! difference 16550 got bugs 16550a used problems even fast serial communications sources say nat semi \( e second sources \) really ok best wishes oliver
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization george washington university lines 28 article h7v csn org teal csn org \( \) writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) writes running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close 've noticed also way explained windows clear upper memory blocks program done anyone know \? post something similar back seems windows take upon free sys resources using application done job left entirely application , application clean quits anyone know utility windows clean sys resources application quits \( mother zip \? \? \? \) peace , mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject dogs vs bikes organization duke university durham , n c lines 31 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article 93112 cunyvm bitnet cunyvm bitnet \( robert chambers \) writes article news duke edu , infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) says ca n't 've obviously waited long , putting much effort 80 lb dog \( always \) used fart time making notice \( course smell n't bother ! \) , thence kicking outside \( somewhat literally \) , came realize shoudl n't \( least around \) , two years later , still n't big dog \? size cow ready burst \? 's supposed mean \? 's 80 lbs understand english \? 1 2 \) let wind break cause fed cheap food , thing every time adjust different brand andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
texdude cs1 bradley edu \( philip allen \) subject baseball trivia nntp posting host cs1 bradley edu organization bradley university lines 15 holds record career strikeouts playing one team \? holds record career strikeouts rangers \? \( hint nolan ryan n't either \) two pitchers 100 career saves two different teams \? player hit 300 career home runs steal 300 career bases team \? fair peeking baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject improvements automatic transmissions nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs lines 51 article news rich bnr ca nosubdomain nodomain \( brent \) writes article 1993apr21 westminster ac uk , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes wanted know auto , keep gear n gas stick gear 've never tried sure works screw \? 're bit debate ah yes , neutral slam know gm tested old 's 's shifting reverse forward gears repeatedly holding engine high rpms units hold incredibly well also recommended technique rock stuck vehicle mud think hydraulics task , mechanicals may object breaking something 0 02 agree durability old trannies gm never intentionally '68 firebird 400 ci conv gear , would leave trannie low \( read 1st \) , grab hold , hit pedal , tires grabbed , take reached 57 60mph turbo 400 auto would shift \( read 2nd \) leave 10 15 foot double stripped rubber ground everyone knew time quite impressed 60 mph trannie held fine motor mounts would last year tied motor large chains oh yea , fyi pontiac 400 ci bored 0 04 large valve heads holley 650 spread bore cam \( n't remember specs \) , headers , dual exhaust get \( conv , leather seats , power windows power top , ac , cruise etc \) oh yea , also pulled \( weights \) front removed lead pellet accelerator pedal \( damn us regulations \) oh , miss car ! ! ! 0 60 6 7 sec 6 14 mpg \( well n't miss mpg \) front wheels 4 ground three quick pedal bent pushrods , stripped rocker studs , every 6 12 months \( really wonder kind rev 's turning tach \) improvements automatic transmissions anyone seen one lately \? 'd buy back sec ! ! ! open top brent one smells little el del \? \? \?
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject kubota kenai denali specs organization center instructional research computing activities lines 118 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu okay , got enough replies kubota kenai denali systems post summary capabilities n't actually used one seen one , take specs grain salt 'd like see independent review one , say , sgi indigo extreme something basically , kenai workstations dec alpha axp based workstations run osf 1 \( dec 's \) likely run windows nt future binary compatible digital 's osf 1 alpha axp implementation denali graphics subsystem , upgradable field simply adding transformation engines two main kenai machines 3400 imaging 3d graphics workstation 3500 imaging 3d graphics workstation 3400 3500 cpu dec alpha axp dec alpha axp 150mhz chip cache 8k 8k 8k 8k onboard cache 512k 512k word size 64 bit 64 bit memory \( initial \) 32 128mb 32 memory \( future \) 111 126 specint92 75 84 specfp92 112 128 graphics transform modules 1 6 1 6 frame buffer modules 5 , 10 , 20 5 , 10 , 20 frame buffer 1280x1024x24bit 1280x1024x24bit double buffered double buffered z buffer 24 bit 24 bit alpha 8 bit 8 bit stereo support yes yes machines double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output rs 170a , ntsc , pal storage internal fixed 2 3 5 4 3 5 internal removable 1 5 25 2 5 25 max capacity 9 11 6 gb io 100mb sec , scsi 2 , ethernet , application programming interfaces libraries xlib , motif , mit pexlib , dec pexlib dec phigs , gl okay , real stuff kenai stations work graphics architecture known denali denali comes three models , e , p , v use risc processor 150mhz capabilities follows e p v 2d vectors 800 200k 2000 4000 3d vectors 1 350 1100 1800 3d vectors 2 300 1000 1600 3d vectors 3 300 500k 800 1300 3d triangles , 4 200 500k 600 1000 3d triangles , 5 100 200k 300 500 600k 1 10 pixel , flat shaded , connected 2 10 pixel , shaded , connected 3 10 pixel , 2 pixel wide , anti aliased , connected 4 50 pixel , shaded , z buffered , strip 5 50 pixel , texture mapped , , point sampled image processing cine loop 8 bit 15 37 58 mp 60 68 mp cine loop 16 bit 14 mp 25 mp 38 mp cine loop 24 bit 12 21 mp 21 mp 21 mp contrast stretching 1 14 mp 25 mp 20 mp zoom 6 mp 11 mp 20 mp 2 6 11 1 lookup table 12 , 16 bit 8 2 interpolation , 8 bit configurations frame buffer modules 5 10 20 transform engine mod 1 3 3 5 5 6 see , pretty powerful workstations , best part pricing would recommend call kubota information number 408 727 8100 i'm sure 'll send information may want oh , prices low end kenai 3400 , e series w 1 tem 5 fbm 27 , 795 dollars u kenai 3500 , e series w 1 tem 5 fbm 45 , 345 dollars u high end kenai 3400 , v series w 6 tem 20 fbm 61 , 795 dollars u kenai 3500 , v series w 6 tem 20 fbm 79 , 345 dollars u someone could post relative comparision indigo extreme something would appreciate hope helps someone , brian ps affiliated kubota way hell , thought made something \)
cfb fc hp com \( charlie brett \) subject hi volt battery nntp posting host hpfcmgw fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 7 might want get flash camera , shoot roll film , take apart \( 're snapped together \) used bunch wedding , instead sending whole camera , took film \( 's standard 35mm canister \) , kept batteries \( use one aa battery \) sorry , n't keep flash electronics charlie brett ft collins , co
cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) subject free moral agency organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 76 distribution na nntp posting host vesta unm edu keywords another thread destined kill file article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes deleted stuff andrew wrt atheist myth bill andrew , myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion appear absurd counterfeit atheists hmmmm , 're cheap knock offs true atheists religion demonstrates absurd constantly personally , someone asks , i'm happy point rather approach religion \( including \) rational manner debating claims stated , atheists concoct outrageous parodies hold religious accountable beliefs n't accurately term like , reasonable atheist man , pill wrt atheists \? 're going make contentious statements , back ! least , read news time time , 've beliefs various religous doctrines hold try debating reasonably someone makes statement like , accurately term like , reasonable atheist take look responses 've given tammy seem pretty reasonable , nay , even polite accusations myths 's good example said read post , said , , means referring christian doctrine \( understand \) , speaking 'll know purpose posting present basic overview doctrines since seemed germane saw reference according original article excellent job spewing dogma , well , implication pretty clear \( wrong , case \) jeez , misunderstanding let go statements wrap thing 3 \) read post care read faq , would n't conversation written post care faq , would n't discussion gems evidence deleted yes , human reason always come back existence god , 're discussion \? jeez , point \? discussion instances human reason therefore , implication false well interesting , truth determined politically correct content granted 's extremely wasp male , anything european , thought kind dialogue , purpose , get truth things remember oxymoron , atheist , understand lame get said anything things \? read faq carefully , please report findings says purpose find things stop misguided image atheists upon us 's really pissing bill
edu \( stephen \) subject stereo lp records sale ! distribution na organization presbyterian college , clinton sc , usa lines 1
heiser acs2 bu edu \( bill heiser \) subject auto wax distribution usa organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 16 originator heiser acs2 bu edu recently purchased 93 probe clear coat paint , would like give good wax job best type wax use type finish \? paste liquid better \? would waxing hand , hand , guess using buff \( anything better would suggest \? \) 've heard comments things like turtle wax good , i'm wondering recommended quality finish thanks advance bill bill heiser heiser acs bu edu , heiser world std com boston university , boston
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject rejoinder questions israelis organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 31 article 1993apr26 freenet carleton ca aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) writes sb oh yeah , israel really ready expand borders holiest day sb year \( yom kippur \) arabs attacked 1973 oh wait , sb chose omit war perhaps 100 supports exact sb opposite point trying make \? n't think 's sb war hit israel hardest also , 1967 sb egypt , israel kicked un force 1948 arabs sb refused accept existance israel based borders set sb united nations 1956 , egypt closed red sea israeli sb shipping , clear antagonistic act 1982 attack response sb years constant shelling terrorist organizations golan sb heights children murdered time terrorists israel sb finally nowhere see war israel started sb borders could expanded agree write except terrorist orgs shelling israel golan heights 1982 , rather lebanon golan heights held israel since 1967 , therefore plo could shelling israel , unless something aware tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp receive e mail , please let employer may know soon possible , possible opinions , ! two percent zero almost nothing
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject bonilla reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 42 thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes \( quick name light hitting black outfielder 1b lasted 10 years bigs bet name two dozen white ones \) otis nixon stole 300 bases \( ok , 's still light hitting , baseball managers n't think , think , like omar , perfect leadoff man awesome defense \) well , yeah hand , first years career looked like herb washington dan n't seem suck defensively , either darnell coles 's still around 1986 , hit 20 hr yeah , many white guys played one year long career \? 's actually uncommon phenomenon , long guy hangs around based one good year seems like reasonable question explore racial basis billy hatcher 'll see 's still around 1994 tenth year hey , plays lou gorman , n't \? ok , 's eight years ok , admit taking quick browse major league handbook , first 7 8 oh , 's time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno brock suffered otis nixon disease , n't perceived light hitting neither curt flood cesar cedeno light hitting good point cedeno otoh , n't seen extensive list 10 year dan , either really n't many players altogether hang around 10 years even 're reasonably good mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com may live interesting times chinese curse
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject freedom u organization university virginia lines 23 astein nysernet org writes freedom speech mean others compelled give one means speak publicly systems regulations prohibiting dissemination racist bigoted messages accounts issue apparently , 's case virginia edu , since still posting alan h stein astein israel nysernet org first i'm still baffled possibly could found racist argument freedom speach mention names , nationalities , countries let alone races right virginia edu thought police like israel nysernet org seems n't know guys getting israelis getting means speak publicly virginia edu lets every student regardless opinion speak mind virginia edu true founding father , thomas jefferson author bill rights , allowing freedom speach sorry guys israel hard time concept
tor abo fi \( laaksonen dc \) subject language \? organization bo akademi university , finland distribution comp graphics lines 25 hi ! old fr 1 35mm film recorder connected pc processor card directly take hpgl , targa language files 24 bit targa quite ok raster images , conversion whatever one happens quite slow language seems \( got source file one test image \) vector based language handle one million colors polygons , perhaps something else \? question , find information language \? ftp site , book , company address , \? \( ok , would nice windows driver , i'm optimistic \) thanks advance help ! laaksonen computing centre bo akademi university , finland
lanl gov \( john \) subject strange windows problem reply lanl gov organization los alamos national laboratory lines 24 windows 3 1 installation somehow gone whenever try run windows , logo comes ok , tries enter windows , screen gets totally screwed 's wrong graphics mode something 's completely although functional still exit dos alt e return combination tried reinstall windows , recall , halfway installation process , install takes windows graphics problem surfaces cannot complete installation started trying get game working system config sys autoexec bat restored problem cropped i'm running 486 33dx diamond stealth vram \( 've stealth video drivers luck \) i'm also using qemm stacker 3 0 windows installed un stacked partition course , worked perfectly email replies suggestions would appreciated thanks
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization shell oil lines 23 ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) deutero canonical books added much later church 's history spiritual quality rest scripture believe church added books guided spirit sort discussion ultimately ends apocryphal books septuagint part canon used greek speaking churches inception church added later \( much later \) common misconception preference hebrew canon greek canon later innovation church need guided add books since part faith received apostles passed church larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation distribution usa lines 21 article 1993may12 microsoft com microsoft com \( ken \) writes article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote certainly smacks ! remember poll quoted saying seen 95 users satisfied dos 6 0 \? care recall unbiased sample set \? post sure looked like fud coming microsoftie well , sure seemed like something level came reseller survey posted came survey registered users , double checked friendly neighborhood marketing type found actually two surveys one randomly selected resellers , one randomly selected users 6 upgrade registered user database surveys showed 93 positive rating jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject krillean photography organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 23 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article usenet pa dec com , stark dwovax enet dec com \( todd stark \) writes yup demonstration refer consists placing leaf plates , taking kirlian photograph cut part leaf , put top plate back , take another kirlian photograph see pretty much image cases turns effect n't nearly striking take trouble clean plates photographs seems moisture leaf left place conducts electricity surprise , surprise ! true , 's quite whole story actually people careful methodology also replicated leaf effect ' also replicate effect rock take first kirlian photograph one edge rock lo ! behold ! phantom rock ! carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
max hilbert cyprs rain com \( max webb \) subject earthquake prediction organization cypress semi , beaverton lines 55 article may 11 02 37 28 1993 athos rutgers edu dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes believe everything heart may 3 , 1993 , city portland , oregon country united states america hit catastrophic disastrous earthquake , know come pass surprise , surprise sure n't lose sleep , live mistakes area costly dangerous , greatest fears area would following 4 god call prophet misrepresent god 's word , calling would lost forever god 's word would command people never listen fear words would false prophet bridges would burnt forever perhaps could repent saved , could never prophet god suppose someone said sure would return death , glory power , flying clouds host heaven , soon , within lifetimes standing 2000 years went without event also asserted , say , god 2 questions 1 \) one false prophecies talking \? 2 \) make speaker false prophet \? speak directly lord given something say , say , declare thus sayeth lord , 'd better know certain without shadow doubt correct spiritual condition relationship lord receive prophecy absolutely certain , , without tiniest shadow doubt possibility misled imaginations hope gaining recognition misled devil followers , occurred way know things , certain , without tiniest shadow doubt \? people thought also deluded \? us believe actually able check opinions check external reality assert beliefs entertained without evidence , even despite evidence special virtue \( ie faith \) luck result 's time christians give example honesty stands contrast backdrop falsehood say , thus sayeth lord , happens pray , prayer answered prayed right say 're christians , really mean dan want demonstrate christian honesty \? great start prophecy conclude speaker \? max
unixhub slac stanford edu \( jonathan wong \) subject wanted ibm clone 486 better organization stanford linear accelerator center distribution usa lines 18 friend mine market 486 system 8 ram 170 hd svga monitor card 5 1 4 3 1 2 fd 200 w ps one sale email forward thanks , jonathan unixhub slac stanford edu
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject c610 tempest \? reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 16 david tsai andrew cmu edu writes going possible upgrade c610 tempest \? 's current rumor started macweek last month , motherboard switch \? else would accomplish kind upgrade \? probably gonna expensive right \? course apple talking hades
rick cs sunysb edu \( richard \) subject luser ! organization state university new york , stony brook lines 23 nntp posting host cs sunysb edu article 1993apr23 sol ctr columbia edu seema madvlsi columbia edu \( seema varma \) writes hi , looking high speed converter \( least 8bits 150mhz \) research application paper january issue ieee solid state circuits mentions gaas , , 8bit dac anyone know find thing \? even somewhat slower si dac would needless say , looked conventional places \( , motorola , national , etc etc \) pointers would appreciated think video sells whole line used , normally graphics applications , either 50 75 ohm systems example , speeds 200 mhz , 360 mhz , 400 mhz seema varma rick , suny stony brook
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject waco organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 18 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , ddn cbnews cb att com \( david \) says give break give break , chum telling clinton reno know batf actions illegal , violation warrant \? part solution problem problem clinton part
melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization computer science department , university new mexico lines 75 article world std com tti world std com \( joachim martillo \) writes article cobra cs unm edu melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) writes muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement dope ! value mohammed elabdellaoui western university third worldist islamic brain rot made impossible acquire analyze facts appropriately reason value brainless shit brains asshole self hating bastard neither name ideas , 've come across thought stupid respond , prove first worldist claim civility history efforts mufti jerusalem serve nazis south balkans set muslim ss divisions well documented general , nazism leader principle well among muslim peoples khomeini 's concept recent example resonance fact , totalitarianism etymologically reasonable translation islam fair , mufti succeed getting large numbers muslims join ss rather small muslim ss unit manage commit attrocities disproportionate size also muslim people less enthusiastic attempt muslim leaders entice muslim people serve nazi cause actively turkish government ignored practically nazi even though alliance nazis soviet government would made great deal tactical sense give sources read shut think take ignorant words \? \? last time heard , nazis prided needing body carry politics ideologies statment true , n't think israel would used point muslim neighbor \( palestine \) could allowed \? jewish lobby power strong , said true , would heard could come dare say taking sides ! ! yes , typical primitive muslim psychotic behavior upon hearing reading fact start whining jews jerk nothing primitive islam except mind read live daily facts , ask prove last time checked , truly 1st worldist civilized approach facts figures whine jews , merely stated fact thet strange nobody far jerk , fuck \( sorry people read \) mohammed go back mindlessly stupid 3rd world country brain business civilized first world country home fuck face name mean somewhere else , except stupid brain names , particularly seem 1st worldist ajami \? \? 's \? arabic \? \? said must ashamed must really hate n't ass hole \? \? mohammed joachim carlo santos martillo ajami
ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) x xxmessage id kimball pc 316 stanford edu x xxdate thu , 22 apr 93 23 35 07 gmt organization stanford university x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 28 article jonathan ecn purdue edu mike , ecn purdue edu writes real story \? hook pc svga centris internal video \? need make cable n't come one \? apple released tech note pinouts \? ask seems prices svga lower mac counterparts first , would n't advise wasting time apple 'll treat like idiot wo n't get answers \( personal opinion \) safest thing match svga monitor 's scanning rates apple 's rates n't know apple 's video scanning rates , use micron 30 's rates , 're good approximation cables go someplace like fry 's get mac vga cables try viewsonic 5e \( 14 \) use nec adaptor monitors may use adaptors also mac 832x624 adaptor tricks system thinking monitor apple 16 need vertical horizontal sizes works fairly well like everything else life , right lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose leland stanford edu
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject christian morality organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 79 dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote since alt atheism , hope n't mind strongly disagree fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love responsibility love god take step toward promises , look indeed , knock shall opened dan , n't work \? firmly believed god 15 years , eventually realised deluding , fearful face truth ultimately , reason kept believing fear hell mental states attributed divine forces devil 's attempts destroy faith nothing imagination , easy achieve mental states faith learned fear disguise doubt dispute givin sincere effort god demanding much dan , believed 15 years \? sincere effort equivalent active suspension disbelief case 'd rather quit god help keep faith , ca n't go besides , concerned god 's morality mental health really want us believe without help \( revelations , guidance , anything feel \) \? created us , n't make task easier \? supposed love someone refuses communicate us \? point eternal torture ca n't believe \? love god much loves wants seduce , 'll know simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know argument type 'll know try yet many atheists sincerely tried , believed many years , eventually honest enough admit lived virtual reality else reason use \? n't spiritual means christians often refer conscience disagrees bible n't even believe soul fully dependent body indeed , body goes flames , identity god entertain copies wants learn must accept n't know mean \? learn must accept n't know something , right learn must accept something n't know , \? way prefer learn unwise merely swallow everything read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn \( tm \) helped daily problems , would accept , since ca n't know whether true \? note gipu also omnipotent , omnipresent , loves everyone besides , \( \) guiding every writer planet , , people write legendary stories 2000 years ago god one aspect presence petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
subject sharks review part 5 left wings caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 24 article apple com , chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) writes paul data io com \( paul brownlow \) writes wood played junior career seattle one leading scorers mediocre team traded away 1992 rarely lost fight one toughest players whl wood fairly small enforcer type mean , fleury pretty good job n't large , dody fleury fleury enforcer sure , fleury never never fight , seems 're saying wood closest fleury ever came fighting game two years ago los angeles mcsorley pinched fleury 's head arm fleury dropped gloves gave mcsorley weak shot side head , knowing good thing saw one , popped fleury one right eyes end fight fleury got ten stitches trouble player ever see theo fighting cliff ronning , even 'd giving two inches 10 15 pounds \) alan
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization sun microsystems lines 28 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com article dazixco ingr com , crphilli hound dazixca ingr com \( ron phillips \) writes article world std com , rjk world std com \( robert j kolker \) writes thank remembering insane act sanctification g 's name extreme denial tyranny possible day officers \( isreal defense force \) take oath fortress lo matzadah matzadah fall ! anymore ! recent archaeological inspection site presents pretty compelling evidence mass suicide masada never occured evidence compelling tha long hold secret ceremony fortress ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice \( 415 \) 691 6473 mountain view , ca 94041 fax \( 415 \) 691 0350 first 've heard could yo please elaborate little \?
superior carleton ca \( david heath \) subject grant fuhr leads sabres organization carleton university lines 24 1993apr21 newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) writes article 1993apr21 wuecl wustl edu jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) writes buffalo 2 0 series boston , reason grant fuhr \? fuhr playoff hungry , 's proving call money goaltender fuhr might one best goaltenders league anymore \( statistically least \) , 's proving make big save right time leafs kept fuhr , probably would chance powerhouse detroit game 1 \? applauded sabres making deal get fuhr , specifically thought would help win least one playoff series however , n't think leafs faulted either nothing say felix wo n't winning playoff series years come agree joseph felix potvin great goalie besides , thought leafs could protect goalie coming expansion draft , 's better get rid one good goalie get good forward return
health ufl edu \( \) subject test \( please ignore \) organization university florida lines 3 distribution world reply health ufl edu nntp posting host health ufl edu
uts uni c dk \( h pedersen \) subject se 30 8bit card work 20mb organization uni c , danish computing centre research education keywords se 30 mode32 system7 pds lines 41 news cs tu berlin de ossip cs tu berlin de \( ossip kaehr \) writes se 30 generation systems 8bit pds card 17 screen worked great upgraded 5 20 mb ram sys7 1 mode32 boot tech support person said card support 32bit fixes guess right early versions rasterops cards either , fixed , people problems get free rom upgrade rasterops pressing shift key booting \( ext monitor goes black grey \) system sometimes boots properly ! ! works ok 20mb full graphics 's happening \? \? \? easy boot without mode32 control panel , disable \( rather reinstall \) 32 bit clean patches run ok must 24 bit adressing mode check macintosh see 12 mb system thanks lot advice ! ! ! please answer mail sent seperately ossip kaehr ossip cs tu berlin de voice 49 30 ossip kaehr 32 1000 berlin 44 germany tel 49 30 email ossip cs tu berlin de h pedersen macintosh specialist knows dos unix pope imv aau dk uts uni c dk finger pope imv aau dk pgp public key
hawks seq uncwil edu \( david hawks \) subject turning photographic images thermal print negatives summary help keywords adobe photoshop , thermal print , negatives , help organization univ north carolina wilmington lines 22 know hitting right news groups , help right direction welcome need help finding company take photographic images scanned modified adobe photoshop turn thermal prints negatives looking place close north carolina possible images created macintosh quadra 800 running adobe photoshop stored whatever format vendor requires , perhaps cartridges \? images black white photographs scanned 1200 dpi scanner modified corrected adobe photoshop anyone could help even give phone numbers people could would grateful also anyone else planning would happy hear advice might provide computer system use peripherals software seemed quadra 800 would best bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra 800 ram , hard drive , 1200 dpi scanner , 17 sony monitor cartridge drive perhaps cd rom new computers advice would great david hawks seq uncwil edu hawks dw wl com
kasper aero org \( brian p kasper \) subject tiff file viewer needed organization aerospace corporation , el segundo , ca lines 33 nntp posting host aerospace aero org article 1993may17 cs sfu ca chapman cs sfu ca \( john chapman \) writes hello need file viewer 24 bit tiff images , run windows \( 3 1 matters \) alternatively package run x server top windows would well unfortunately budget limited whatever end using public domain inexpensive thanks advance help , john chapman cs sfu ca paintshop pro windows fantastic product handle tiff , gif , bmp , pcx , many formats , displaying converting shareware version program assume 's available windows areas standard anonymous ftp locations \( 'd try ftp cica indiana edu \) log ftp , use username password , look program called exe something like registered version , major difference detect unregistered version pops message start program asking please register , fantastic software 24 bits , huge images , everything brian brian kasper , aka prisoner full aerospace corporation internet kasper aerospace aero org
eric b magnus acs ohio state edu subject c language books sale organization ohio state university x mailer elm version 2 3 lines 99 price list price c memory management techniques 22 00 32 95 len dorfman marc j \( includes disk \) 1993 borland c handbook 18 00 29 95 second edition \( covers version 3 0 \) chris h pappas william h murray , iii 1992 converting c turbo c 18 00 29 95 len dorfman \( includes disk \) 1992 art c 22 00 39 95 herbert schildt \( includes disk \) 1991 using turbo c 12 00 24 95 herbert schildt 1990 c complete reference 18 00 28 95 second edition herbert schildt 1990 using c 12 00 24 95 \( version 2 0 \) bruce 1989 advanced c 9 00 21 95 herbert schildt second edition 1988 high performance interactive graphics 8 00 22 95 lee adams \( examples done basic \) 1987 high performance cad graphics c 10 00 26 95 lee adams 1986 pctools complete reference 15 00 29 95 second edition \( versions 7 0 7 1 \) hy 1992 inside track 20 00 39 95 dos pc performance john dvorak nick 1992 advanced quick c 2nd edition 9 00 22 95 \( version 2 \) werner 1989 wordperfect complete reference 12 00 24 95 series 5 edition karen l 1988 using ventura publisher 8 00 24 95 que 1988 \( book covers first version , \) \( might good newer versions \) using os 2 8 00 19 95 kris 1988 \( book version 1 x , obviously \) using generic levels 1 3 10 00 22 95 ray c freeman iii 1989 pay shipping \( usa \) magnus acs ohio state edu compuserve com csi compuserve com
subject atf burns dividian ranch update supersedes 93112 cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet lines 8 article hp col col hp com , dduff col hp com \( dave duff \) says nut case panics ! ! ! ! realizes he's made complete fool front thousands netters ! ! ! ! backs away earlier rash statements ! ! ! ! god mercy ! ! ! ! love clown , even school yard one
trb3 ra msstate edu \( tony r \) subject video speed organization mississippi state university lines 18 nntp posting host ra msstate edu keywords anim , ibm , 3d using ibm dx 50 eisa local bus need get local bus video card hitch need one allow fastest \( \) ram 64 megs ram 16 meg simms using 3d studio autodesk imagine impulse write flc format anyone know would best card showing fast ram ie like orchid , diamond stealth viper , ati etc help would appreciated \( trying circumvent single frame route \) email trb3 ra msstate edu post back thanks
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject planets habitable organization u toronto zoology lines 18 article hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes human tolerances , best example human endurance terms altitude \( e low atmospheric pressure lower oxygen partial pressure \) opinion scaling mt everest without oxygen assistance quite feat physiological endurance indeed 's extreme limit humanly possible possible mount everest fairly low latitude slight equatorial bulge atmosphere beyond induced earth 's rotation thanks overall circulation pattern atmosphere \( air cools poles descends , flowing back equator warmed rises \) , helps enough make everest without oxygen feasible feasible , mind guys reported indications oxygen starvation , probably incurred permanent brain damage svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject dealer cheated wrong odometer reading need help ! distribution usa nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 45 article shelley u washington edu hardy u washington edu \( yong je lim \) writes story bought car two weeks ago finally get hold previous owner car got maintanence history car '91 '92 , instrument pannel car replaced odometer also reset zero therefore , true meter reading reading replacement plus current mileage shows mile difference comparing mileage odometer disclosure dealer never told anything important story hope return car full refund u think possible \? anyone similar experiences \? comments appreciated thanks tricky situation previous owner n't inform dealer odometer change , previous owner committed fraud , may liable dealer may also liable previous owner notified dealer , previous owner dash replaced dealer , previous owner dash changed legally , records search car turn fact odometer altered dealer changes speedometer , report \( goes car 's service record manufacturer , title , remember correctly dealer told old mileage , etc sent ford bird 's speedo replaced \) odometer set old mileage , must ca n't \( eg , electrically driven odometers \) mileage old odometer must written permanent sticker door frame vehicle either way , change done legally , records search \( dealer almost certainly \) turned call state 's department transportation public safety motor vehicles tag agent find certain rights state 's attorney general know certain \) james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
sommer ips cs tu bs de \( sommer \) subject looking file manager twm keywords file manager , twm nntp posting host ips cs tu bs de organization inst f informatik , tu braunschweig , frg lines 24 hi ! every command line shell user close ears , , eyes i'm looking x file manager driven twm somebody told last night , one openwindows \( certainly one ms windows \) 'd like x one , know , icon 's , click drag , directory structures shown graphic layout , paper basket etc anybody got idea \? please reply sommer , better known \( nur ist ! \) e mail sommer ips cs tu bs de transform roll ! \( transformers \)
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject goodbye , good riddance , get lost 'stars organization georgia institute technology lines 13 article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca kirk gaul csd uwo ca \( andrew kirk \) writes back hockey , north stars moved past years shit real team like toronto would never moved ! ! ! well , shit means going stanley cup finals couple years ago , 'd rather shit leaf fan go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
drm6640 tesla njit edu subject time best players organization new jersey institute technology lines 1 nntp posting host tesla 1b career mattingly ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
magnus acs ohio state edu \( mark \) subject clear lcd led sheets nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 17 interested finding supplier array leds material transparent nothing lit i'm quite sure lcd screens like away laptop would guess clear ideal item would led array led 1 2 square \( yes course \) distance viewing , window pointers suggestions would much appreciated mark magnus acs ohio state edu 1940 summit street b columbus , ohio \( 614 \) 299
danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) subject societal basis morality nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 14 article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes 1 \) basis say actions another society , \( per hitler comment \) wrong \? ultimately rests personal opinion opinion \) 2 \) majority make right \? question n't make sense maybe would better ask , makes democracy better example totalitarian \? dan
haynes cats ucsc edu \( jim haynes \) subject poisoning heavy water \( many mris \? \) organization university california santa cruz lines 12 nntp posting host hobbes ucsc edu remember article scientific american maybe 20 years ago someone else noted rats mice fed nothing heavy water eventually died , explanation given haynes cats ucsc edu haynes cats bitnet ya talk ya wanna , 's dif ! aint ! ya gotta know territory ! meredith willson music man
ux4 cso uiuc edu \( christopher j \) subject earth also pollutes scientists believe organization university illinois urbana lines 35 rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) writes furthermore , response earlier message , 1992 u est output sulfur dioxide \( 20 mill tons \) equivalent entire output recent mt \( sp \) currently world carbon dioxide levels set approx 360 ppm , past 120 , 000 years never gone 280 \( info found using ice core samples joint french russian u vostok project \) furthermore , background emmisions chlorine compounds 0 6 ppb annually , sits 3 5 overwhelming data info found world resources doc published oxford university good evidence ozone hole northern southern hemispheres keeps getting bigger around longer whilst skeptics ponder wrong corrupt data government international scientific institutions pity , , skeptics wrong base complacency limbaugh psycho babble , find strapped limited options rectify primal engineering industrial age ozone hole northern hemisphere \? exactly happen get ozone hole upper atmosphere \? according senior chicken little nasa , much uv radiation one moved 100 miles south certainly calamity imagined eco lunatics co2 going 's evidence increase due burning fossil fuels , evidence increasing co2 increase temperatures , raising temperatures anything good ie make millions productive life bearing land chris
ewl world std com \( erich w lantz \) subject wordbasic time date variables summary question time date vars wordbasic keywords winword variable mail wordbasic macro organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 32 i'm writing mail management system using word windows 2 0 front end user remote system downloads batch mail foo txt 've set autoexec macro winword load foo txt ok , subsequent macro course pose file name contention problems 'd really like create macro winword would move foo txt specified directory , rename using current date time , delete original foo txt words , foo txt gets renamed , say , may 1 23 00 user gets time indexed backup mail files foo txt freed next packet mail , since autoexec macro points main question may one rename file within wordbasic macro include time date variable new filename \? thanks ever reach total enlightenment drinking beer , bet makes beer shoot nose jack handey erich w lantz ewl world std com , va dod 0815
physik uni kl de \( thomas kettenring \) subject krillean photography organization fb physik , universitaet kaiserslautern , germany lines 17 article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu , eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \( e story \) writes article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? effect disappears clean apparatus whole leaf leaf part thomas kettenring , 3 dan , kaiserslautern , germany n't even know planet native inhabitants government n't tell
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 6 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu ever notice 99 problems people run windows ! thanks ms gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject freedom u organization university virginia lines 17 deleted actually law david irving hopefully found guilty due denial holocaust 's bad useless centre policy research n't canada 'd set nice precedent law applies cyberspace steve internet aa229 freenet carleton ca fidonet 1 163 109 18 mossad qube ocunix ca opinions associated anything , including head well canada wrong us aclu would made sure repressive laws found unconstitutional think church n't find galileo 's perception universe offensive
pla sktb demon co uk \( paul l allen \) subject clipper two additional possible problems reply pla sktb demon co uk organization chaos lines 53 x newsreader archimedes begin pgp signed message article netcom com netcom com \( pope \) writes want talk someone , n't need previously exchanged keys , call , phones establish session key us using zero knowledge algorithm something kind \( 've misunderstood part , probably invalidates rest notion \) lends spoofing go buy pair clipper phones go pair phone lines back room somewhere , digital switch programmed redirect calls one two lines instead , whenever receives call two phones wired back back clear anyone see problem scheme , assume public officials phone company employees totally \? far see , matter session keys generated \( diffie hellman whatever \) , cripple conversation travels whole part land line vulnerable scheme law enforcement agencies legally telco , illegally finding part phone line cut degree risk depends much location good middle busy street , bad line open country \( leading drug lord 's ranch \) way defeat would phone equivalent public key indexed phone number every phone might want call \( \) totally impractical , even part cripple algorithm could used kind public key \( n't understand enough things know \) sort encryption scheme really workable radio link , even could probably without causing problems phones nearby physically close target phone gosh , yet another way get round cripple encryption many 've found far \? 's without even knowing details algorithm paul begin pgp signature version 2 2 b end pgp signature
ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization univ florida cis dept lines 15 nntp posting host beach cis ufl edu know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? someone taped wires carpet , time move solvent 's used clean coax \? \( whatever barely ties query sci electronics \) thanks help best regards , ruck john r ruckstuhl , jr ruck alpha ee ufl edu dept electrical engineering ruck cis ufl edu , ! ruck university florida ruck sphere cis ufl edu , sphere ! ruck
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject lungs organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 34 putting aside substantial differences , 'd like ask knowledgeable ones give feedback let explain one family members last week discovered brain tumor difficulties walking writing \( 64 years old \) otherwise , fine health discovery made via cat scans mri scans done , small areas discovered lungs showed one spot lungs , another believe cancer started lungs caused brain tumor \( smoked four years ago \) anyway , 'd like feedback , different cancers , treated \( luckily tumor right skull easily removed \) , statistically chances full remission recovery \? thanks jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
sunnyt coding bchs uh edu subject cd300 question organization university houston lines 32 reply ln63sdm sdcc4 ucsd edu nntp posting host franklin bchs uh edu article h01sav dsyibm desy de michael desy de h01sav dsyibm desy de \( michael savitski \) writes hi , ! mac lc consider buying cd300 've told , however , 1 double speed cd300 achievable machines scsi 2 wrong , cd300 \( external \) plain ol' scsi device 2 double speed prerequisite photocd multisession capability , need , multisession capability double speed two different thing newer cd rom drives capability multisession means put pictures photo cd first session , drive read display double speeds transfer type data \( excluding sound \) around double speed 3 means seem gain nothing compared , say cd150 cd150 multisession capable means lose ability add pictures first time \( must buy new cd \) finally , since cd150 double speed drive , require twice long transfer data \( excluding sound \) michael savitski tel \( 040 \) 8998 desy elektronen synchrotron fax \( 040 \) 8998 85 , hamburg 52 , germany \( 040 \) 8994 internet h01sav dsyibm desy de decnet savitski
kmgoh leland stanford edu \( goh \) subject sale air tix cancun distribution usa organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 21 certificate one round trip either cancun , mexico expiration date one year maximum retail value , depending time location , estimated 1100 , including accommodation 3 days 2 nights leading hotel asking 1000 best offer information , call goh \( 415 \) 497 0663 send mail kmgoh leland stanford edu goh meng 116 , wilbur p box 7029 , stanford ca
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject feel \? lines 35 see parallel stupidly call homosexual issue atheist issue please take offense comparisons homosexual feels things admit feel learns feelings classified homosexual feelings learns model sexuality seems apply feelings , fit experiences , model gives sense understanding situation models match knows feels discarded however , one wonders accepting idea gay deciding exactly means analyze feelings experiences based definition already accepted , course model hard understand listen parallel christian feels things atheist claims feel christian accepts christian theology true description feelings mean accepting model interprets experiences regards model course christianity reminder , christian , catholic , n't hate homosexuals atheists , trying understand compare foreign blind homosexual atheist seems blind \? prejudiced atheistic denial religious experience homosexual prejudiced attempts society deny sexuality \? lunch , \? chris mussack
popovich cs columbia edu \( steve popovich \) subject change name \? \? reply thomas parsli 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 09 08 59 gmt organization columbia university popovich prince cs columbia edu cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio lines 14 know quisling , right \? obviously n't vidkun quisling known norway , betrayed country \( norway \) implied som jumped conclusions sound little paranoid think lot norway perhaps n't sufficiently clear accusing quisling u government , throwing away people 's right keep bear arms least , 's ones intended refer figured people newsgroup would interpret intended , obviously something intent got lost steve
helios nd edu \( keith \) subject wanted shareware graphics display program dos distribution usa organization university notre dame , notre dame lines 16 need graphics display program take parameter name file displayed , display image quit graphics display programs come menu first program going run within another program lots memory vga color graphics format anyone heard beast \? keith keith notre dame ,
rexlex fnal gov subject incarnation two minds christ organization fnal ad net lines 99 article may 13 02 30 34 1993 1541 geneva rutgers edu tedr athena cs uga edu \( ted kalivoda \) writes nabil wrote 5 families agree wills acts always one hypostasis logos incarnate nabil , posit two minds christ , mind logos mind human jesus , must admit two wills mind mind without know dealt past church , philosophical problem examined v morris argued incarnation seen like \( mind logos \) \( \) \( \( \) \) , mind jesus god \( \( human \) \) son god son complete access human \( \( mind \) \) mind human mind access mind \( \( \) \) god son son allows access \( \( \) \) explains jesus said even know \( \) time kingdom ideas completely healthy version split personality field psychology , intriguing ideas dream , seeing acting , knowing , also omniscient 've explained want full document , ask mail rex questions arise begin think logos inner consciousness composed need clarify two natures christ briefly divine nature , existed eternally , undertake essential changes incarnation would cause conflict attributes god , foremost would mean remained , , incapable suffering death , free ignorance weakness temptation realm divine nature better say son god became absolute result incarnation divine logos could ignorant weak , could tempted suffer die , divine nature , derivation possession human nature would mean properties divine nature human nature properties person , therefore ascribed person reason say person omnipotent , omniscient , omnipresent , yet time also man limited power , knowledge , man , subject human wants , however , penetration one nature deity share imperfections humanity humanity share essential perfection godhead assume double personality due possession double natures christ 's human nature impersonal , self consciousness self determination personality god man must differentiate person nature man nature defined distinguishing qualities properties something fundamental character , disposition living , innate nature , essence , substance possessed common , trinity one nature also common nature mankind personality , hand , separate subsistence nature , power consciousness reason human nature christ , ever , separate subsistence , impersonal logos , god man , represents principle personality equally important see self consciousness self determination , , belong nature reason say jesus two consciousness two wills , rather one , activity one personality unites human divine natures , neither consciousness simply human simply divine quotation given identified , 's entirely clear position loren taking clarity , let note view expressed one classic heresies 's position christ 's two natures complete , one cases \( think includes example \) , human regarded missing normally people talk christ 's human nature impersonal mean somewhat abstract sense , using person , usual english sense personality use , doctrine called personally think sophisticated way denying logos took humanity fully however never formally ruled heresy , fact held influential theologians ancient modern \( e g athanasius \) quotation appears going farther even athanasius went , realm overtly heretical clh
gomer pitt edu \( richard j coyle \) subject pens fans reactions organization university pittsburgh lines 18 article 1993apr22 sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu \( susan dart \) writes amongst fans seems inner calm 've never experienced year pens players fans much confidence team year 're every game saving energy stanley cup 's inner calm 's boredom , 's spoiled arena 's quiet church many nights year many us take winning granted 's seemingly forever since team lost , 've forgotten 's like feel real excitement surprise victory i'm glad pens well , ways better high back pens beat bruins two years ago , rangers last year much good thing always good rick
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) organization university toronto chemistry department lines 97 article 1993apr21 news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes also , april 14 globe mail , letter director trauma services st michael 's hospital toronto responding article study comparing heart surgery california canada canadian doctor worried study nejm , think , noted frequency heart surgery patients seventy increase income california \( guess richer people heart disease california \) \) whereas frequency surgery patients seventy canada relatively uniform across income distribution heart surgery frequent california , mortality outcomes essentially american analysts would seize results proof canada vital services doctor \( ca n't recall name \) said canada rationing vital services physician plainly see said system people refused treatment ca n't afford different system people refused treatment government ca n't afford result deliberate health insurance plan fairness , say us canadian systems situation \( ndp cleaning tory spending mess \? thought understood canadian politics \) one group doctors calgary opened canada 's first us style mri clinic , alternative provincially owned one 's time ! 've doctor friends n't invest private practices end , 's money choose spend america 's cup , 's none business provincially owned sure 's law canada governments directly involved provision health care except military native term actually means facility gets public grants meet lack use kidding medical practice much conservative north best friend two mayo clinic rochester , mn , stranger high tech medicine boat comes first people expressing concern first wedge two tiered health care might violate canada health act , 's probably socialist offended private practices always take cash anyways particular facility \? canadian big government mentality often government even exist potential problem see private mri calgary self referral problem facility doctors financial interest , basically unethical canada small population , likely private facilities involving small number doctors , thus n't think self referral problem , epidemic us , could ever get hand look , nobody stopped clinic planned mri nobody stopped bought nobody seems stopping using , either much ado nothing thank goodness hockey playoffs started experiment certainly watched carefully seemed currently unjustified , one anecdote told head partnership demonstrate mri showed image injured knee , happened belong manager bank approved loan said without , guy might wait month provincial mri , another length time treatment , muscles would rehabilitation would much harder n't first two , n't know i'm certain exaggeration somewhere , gao study canada cited often usenet find access mri problem 'll bet doctor relying people listened american trash talk cable puff chest bit already treatment regimens knee injuries without relying mri unfortunately , 've \) i'm \( likely happened sponsors private mri include doctors anticipated alberta would need mri 's , instead waiting health planners realize needed another one two , saw business opportunity would secure business public insurance side things , could supplement people businesses want pay cash gerald
hawks seq uncwil edu \( david hawks \) subject turning photographic images thermal print negatives organization univ north carolina wilmington lines 44 jennifer lynn urso andrew cmu edu writes also anyone else planning would happy hear advice might provide computer system use peripherals software seemed quadra 800 would best bet modify photographic images planning buying quadra 800 ram , hard drive , 1200 dpi scanner , 17 sony monitor cartridge drive perhaps cd rom new computers advice would great well , lots experience scanning images altering changing back negatives , really possible \? scanning altering big deal n't know types features version photoshop one use \( , incidentally quadra \) gallery effects types stuff i'm wondering would want put images back negatives , print image 's print know exactly aim \? like , fun , business , gain computer knowledge , project 're working otherwise , guess n't know 'd helping posting info scanning stuff ok \? cool jennifer urso oh bitter woman utter \( cheerful undertones \) business end product photograph take damaged black whites , usually old , , repair hand present would like using computer trying find vendor convert computer stored images negatives thermal print customer want copy much possible like brand new original david ps thanks sent information helpful learning computers combined photography anyone else information would grateful
abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 23 article 1993apr27 samba oit unc edu , bruce scott launchpad unc edu \( bruce scott \) writes boosting hst carrying shuttle would damage , could n't hst brought back earth repair job done \? two shuttle flights would required , adding horrendous expense \? n't think reboost exercise analogous shuttle landing launch terms stresses etc would think reboost gentile push , landing , launch two would put mechanical stress instruments additionally , might concern landing loads shuttle event laden landing finally , probably thought went possible contamination problems instruments came back earth course , cost two shuttle launches good reason avoid something might done one shuttle launch 's hoping 's gang gets job done right first time david w gsfc \( used work frank \)
mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) subject yankee thoughts reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 45 scott asd com \( scott barman \) writes article 1993apr20 clam com sam steamer clam com \( sam mandelbaum \) writes 2 wade boggs live boston like wade lot , career winding would rather see yanks start develop long term solution \( e hensley , russ davis , velarde \? \) besides , wade n't range shame charlie hayes , huh \? would playing 3b , wade boggs charlie hayes \? choice boggs contest give time develop younger talent area yankee farm system seems deficient hem two words russell davis playing cavern albany \( aa \) last year \( 375 410 385 alleys center \) , davis went 285 355 483 22 homers n't small parks road eastern league , either 's 23 \( ! \) mle 258 308 416 , 17 hr fielding statistics , seeing number times last year 'd say 's brooks robinson , neither howard johnson unless think win pennant year \( seems possible \) need boggs , think 're making sort mistake davis boston made boggs , leaving minors two three years 'd shown good hitter 3 spike owen see wade boggs 'd much rather see develop dave silvestri whoever wade spike next infield going raise yankee staff era 1 2 point guys sides careers bad gave randy many trips columbus shuttle ! hrm \? still roster \( 16 ab first two weeks \) 've never figured suspect hits enough \( especially vs lefties \) reasonable shortstop one rumor running around spring training wanted convert silvestri catcher \( ! \) body type wrong shortstop 'd think somebody division , plays baltimore dozen times year , would know better mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com one guys went , doubled confusion n't require rhodes scholar two teammates went , four would protect guys drysdale
ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 24 article vtserf cc vt edu ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) writes course , get moderate amount flamage expressing opinion , matter opinion somebody flame oh , bill , full shit 's stupidest thing 've ever heard obmoto happened miss discussion deltabox frames , one , actually needed get work done last week anybody would care repeat got said \( since guy asked , i'm still ignorant \) could email \? thanks ray shea unisql , inc unisql ! ray cs utexas edu dod 0372 team twinkie '88 hawk gt
wagner grace math uh edu \( david wagner \) subject doctrine original sin organization uh dept math lines 65 alan e alan idler aidler sol uvic ca writes alan 2 also analyze lord addressing marvel alan said unto thee , ye must born \( john 3 7 \) alan jesus clearly directing remarks nicodemus alan ruler jews \( child \) yes , jesus also made general doctrinal statement conversation flesh gives birth flesh , spirit gives birth spirit \( john 3 6 \) clearly infants born spirit thus , without baptism born image god , adam 's fallen image \( cf gen 5 3 \) righteousness , adults righteousness imputed righteousness christ , believers receive faith alan 3 ask lord would even introduce alan concept spiritual birth baptism newborn babies alan n't free sin \? point little obscure , think saying christ used innocence newborn babes metaphor spiritual birth look text , speak spiritual birth spiritual birth born spirit , twice several times also born flesh lord makes clear separate different events true scriptures refer spiritual birth birth second birth \( example , titus 3 5 \) second spiritual birth thing two births common concept birth , used symbol innocence infant born \( conceived \) new life begun neither innocent righteous similarly individual baptized , perhaps believe prior baptism , begin new life christ \( romans 6 3 , colossians 2 12 , titus 3 5 , ephesians 2 5 \) believer god 's assurance forgiveness sins , christ 's imputed righteousness references , see augsburg confession article ii , original sin , apology augsburg confession , article ii , original sin , formula concord , article , original sin , luther 's large catechism , part 4 , baptism something recent , see baptized god 's family doctrine infant baptism andrew das , available northwestern publishing house andrew graduate concordia lutheran seminary , st louis , pursuing doctoral studies yale divinity school david wagner mad reason rushes forth confessional lutheran , baptism like works , regards worthless martin luther , large catechism part 4 , baptism
hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject israeli terrorism reply rj3s virginia edu 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 20 34 25 gmt organization dept computer science , brown university lines 24 article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes \( 1 \) know ed , 're right ! andi n't comparing israel nazis israelis much worse nazis ever anyway nazis lot good germany , would succeeded n't damn jews holocaust never happened anyway ample evidence given george schafer harvard , dept history , even randolph higgins nyu , shown holocaust semitic conspiracy created obtain sympathy creation israel \( 2 \) kidding careful rj3s people start finding humour holocaust often run danger exposing hateful refuse really harry
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject newbie organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 16 article msu oscs montana edu msu oscs montana edu writes first time network , concerned incident waco refrain stating opinions read faq could someone tell get \? must say believe govt wrong actions took situation far know , faq tpg somebody working one , think died committee david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject vfr st11 owners get hidden feature keywords lights nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 21 article c61r0b c7 world std com daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) writes enjoying lunch saturday milford nh assortment nedod folks dean cookson \( yes left country , yet \) mentioned wiring diagram vfr750 shows light switch three position switch cb750 switch continuity section wiring diagram looks something like hl l h x x low x x x \( n \) x x high dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
arthur noguerola vos stratus com subject stereo gear sale organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 15 nntp posting host m21 eng stratus com cambridge audio integrated amp 60w stereo solid state , w box list 600 want 340 cambridge audio tuner 8 presets list 350 want 200 cambridge audio preamp list 500 want 290 speakers legends time list 3k want 950 big , corner loaded play volumes little power arthur noguerola vos stratus com
psg pitt edu \( paul galvanek \) subject janet reno killed waco children distribution na organization university pittsburgh lines 62 article fern camelot fern camelot bradley edu \( jill \) writes i'm saying i'm satisfied outcome , 's upsetting simply blaming wrong person oh jill \? let tell story one evening long country man , , convicted known violent lead police high speed chase breaking another law decided police right jobs enforce law two attempting resist arrest police use metal sticks force submission heard reason certain people country excuse refuse obey law , perfect example police oppression , police behave certain way would , nothing victim could possibly warranted response blows sticks got authorities funny , 's billy calling shots , group people bothering one , know broken law , asked left alone practice religion fit , government justified people 100 heavily armed simply gun grabbers dc thought people guns thay thought 's clinton administration blood dozens hand sudden 's people refused civil rights violated , 's fault , evil fanatics provoked mind liberal democrat clinton supporter puke , scum bag , piece garbage like rodney king could possibly provoked beating got , bunch could cause fifty one day stand ended burning deaths children , help police people say deserved got , hear clinton say blame rest solely koresch , cowardly piece work man shown , , blaming right people others defend actions batf , fbi justice department matter , word prove depth hypocrisy , double standard people like clintons would hold certain americans time allowing others please excuses offer victims 's clear days , comments president supporters groups , liberal democratic vision america certain select people expect civil rights enforced , administration intends enforce laws , apply constitution obey laws suits rooster warning ! order heir clinton personal safety remember maintain membership batf approved religious organizations batf approved religious services
solar csie ntu edu tw \( der hua liu \) subject keycode wrong \? \? nntp posting host jupiter csie ntu edu tw organization dept computer science information engineering ntu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 15 writing x based requires found keycode wrong run program linux host \( 2 \) display set local linux sun host \( x11r5 \) , two two xservers different course , keycode k anybody verify \? anything wrong \? thanks edward der hua liu cs department national taiwan university , taiwan solar csie ntu edu tw
ferch ucs ubc ca \( les ferch \) subject apple going ship cd300i 's \? organization university british columbia lines 14 nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca umcc umcc umich edu dlc umcc umcc umich edu \( david \) writes btw , 've heard system install cd used boot mac however , drive accept cd caddy machine boot \? supplemental manual comes quadra 800 explains n't manual front , recall , insert cd machine running , select restart special menu , hold special sequence keys force boot cd instead hard disk think key combination command option delete command ctrl del
eis calstate edu \( steven adams \) subject nec 5fge vs nec 5fg article eis organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 13 told resolution 5fge could go 1024x768 5 fg could go 1152x870 anybody tried running higher resolutions \? \? somewhere thought read 1152x870 17 monitor may make type small read help would appreciated steve
jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) nntp posting host debra dgbt doc ca organization communications research centre , ottawa distribution na lines 20 article access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes somebody asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? precisely government must cut knees pulls stunts like , lest situation worsen point extreme measures required fine cut pen paper , sword jerry han crc doc div behavioural research jhan debra dgbt doc ca opinions , opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories 've left behind , still ringing ears genesis
kralizec zeta org au \( steven murray \) subject rams roms ale latches \( 8051 's \) organization kralizec dialup unix sydney 61 2 837 1183 v 32bis lines 12 nntp posting host kralizec zeta org au article ucnv edu au jeff redgum ucnv edu au \( j \) writes hello , asked year ago , still looking getting sick use getting sick real estate used , could always use approach seen one designer take stuck chip middle eprom socket , eprom naturally , use ic socket right dimensions , layout really easy steven murray
dietz parody data io com \( kent dietz \) subject bosox go smoke ii \( seattle 7 0 \) organization data corporation lines 27 oh , yea , chris bosio pitched hitter one minimum , two bases ball first inning , one runner left , 95 pitches listened game radio listening dave call game real treat \( long keep ron fairly quite , doubt anyone better fairly guy really annoying \) , guess clemens viola pitching , would different story \) two shutouts two nights , best hitting team major league baseball pretty impressive league man , johnson , bosio hanson keep going mariners could really interesting team follow year also , john cummings \( rookie \) three solid support fleming comes back may best starting staff american league year \( relief another story , though \) cool first hitter able follow start end , think win kind award way called game guy truly joy listen deserves pennant race kent dietz twins '93 mariners nl team ! follow \?
steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) subject espn reply steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) distribution world organization freddy 's place bbs edmonton , ab 403 456 4241 lines 31 quoting cire trehguad cyt hey iowa mind espn showing pitt njd games cyt least get see devils even ass cyt kicked perhaps score even win game two cyt go devils sorry tell , n't think devils win game pittsburg , penguins many scoring threats shut one another kill 's bad must conclude penguins win third stanley cup row hope someone beat , cannot see happening e v e backup found \( \) bort \( r \) etry \( p \) blue wave qwk v2 12
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 22 wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \) maryland states original poster read last 3 4 issues car driver 's interesting illegal chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject kind loving god ! ! organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 11 article quack kfu com , pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) writes , adhere ten commandments \? jesus peace , malcolm lee \)
cats ucsc edu \( scott corbin crow \) subject mode 13h organization university california santa cruz lines 7 nntp posting host ucsc edu anyone know access display multiple pages mode 13h still maintaining 1 byte per pixel memory organization \? examples c assembly would appreciated thanks scott
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 192 brian kendig first states master ask truly master \? brian kendig states yet make mind life ground use practice fun getting ! n't start perfect end perfect either never perfect name one person , young old , past present , deem perfect \? good luck know shortcomings , know strengths , live life according decisions make , content abide consequences decisions easily 'll accept praise times life 've made mistakes , yes try never make mistake twice lie know shortcomings clearly shown one shortcomings , two , ignorance bible arrogance demonstrate butchering without even knowing contents regard christ myth examine record lack support conclusion , bet even know word christ means prophet used christ describe son man feel far many people offering far many interpretations supposedly said person really judge yes agree must learn first read bible come interpretation evaluate said check history books well compare someone else 's interpretation make judgment tell truth , 99 said bible needs interpretation much coffee cup needs interpretation remember , bible n't guru 's esoteric guide metaphysics n't take theologian understand said bible bunch testimonies people like addressed people like guys wrote saw heard open diary want tell something want know something , make clear want know n't ideas esoteric rhetoric , simple straight forward language choose roads travel , decide whether want reach end given road turn back long n't always turn back , 's shame need help , seek friends chosen road avoids bible chosen road avoids confrontation living god road n't look appealing rather build road one goes far away confrontation assured , confront one day willingly n't clue i'm saying , either open eyes see open ears listen i'm spouting empty words life , gives meaning see mean hear saying degrading life heard irrational excuses years nothing new saying words , spouting contradictions contradictions give meaning , life must sad say mother loves know , ask \? point definite things 's done , even bring ask , face face say deity loves know , ask \? bingo god loved world , gave son ever lasting life look god given son , even death , hope resurrection know life n't nothing , glorious purpose ca n't even convince exists ! turn eyes away testimony history choose lie n't exist , ignore said thousands years sound exactly , almost verbatim , like lazarus jesus 's story starting luke 16 19 conclusion story bleak one lazarus wound hell story ends like lazarus n't even listen moses prophets , wo n't even believe man rose dead god like carrot , promising untold pleasures 'll suspend disbelief ignore rationality , would choose lie another , matter powerful arrogance best fact , rational several specific cases already cited new statement , show irrationality regards heaven jesus tell something expect heaven jesus expects use brain believe jesus expect either jesus wants willingly come , slave , rather brother share glorious riches pick bible read maintain open mind see whether lying would want live good life \? , die 's n't contradict reason live good life n't good end life n't anybody else good either everyone dies anyway reason lead good life leading good life meaningless meaningless thing \? paragraph demonstrates n't listened single word 've said understand said 's feel went missed point living good life eternal consequences close amusement park life , end , , therefore , time spent amusement park meaningless eternal consequences anyone left earth contradict previous post , said evil things bad , n't matter evil things good things meaningless end anyway go rob bank go tell someone dislike dirty rotten slime bag 's restraining \? life , eternal consequences accountability irrelevant way , think life fun n't intend leave amusement park life close night ! time , truly master i'm sorry , n't feel sacrificing jesus something god 'd worship would , unless sacrifice temporary , case 's really important resurrection sunk \? jesus alive jesus dead \( holy book \) say token , therefore , santa claus delivers toys every xmas n't see \? reason believe say true please give reason ca n't similarly apply santa claus every reason believe jesus says witnesses jesus say true choose unreasonable ignore reasons definition , ignorance santa claus said live north pole squad elves flying ever see flying \? anyone human history seen flying \? anyone seen whose nose red \? hand , people born bethlehem \? really king \? daniel really one court officials \? david solomon really kings israel judah \? really king called \? really attack jerusalem 600 years christ \? really lose battle badly \? really interrogated jesus \? yes , yes , yes history verifies problem discerning truth fiction \? perhaps ca n't evaluate context grimm 's fairy tales apart scientific american suppose treat equal equal telling \? want read scientific american find 's fairy tale \? thereby deity nothing collection verses book , cannot supported without invoking \? get real ever \? go assured really place \? given irrationality , take never used map life believe believe \? given overwhelming evidence well personal experience living god , 'd irrational ignorant fool n't follow jesus
email mot com \( philip bush \) subject plug wires really need replacement \? organization motorola , inc , schaumburg , il , usa distribution na nntp posting host 145 1 148 5 lines 32 article umd edu , cs umd edu \( vadim \) wrote hi , netters went tune lube routine maintenance said need change plug wires original ones driven 70 k miles strong suspicion wanted make money wires visible defects repair manual n't recommend scheduled maintenance plain vanilla rip \? backing behind suggestion replace wires \? ford taurus 86 vadim problem '65 mustang , simply changing spark plug wires fixed philip bush national champion motorola , inc , schaumburg , il sho convention show email email mot com 3rd place concours phone \( 708 \) 576 judged
adobe com \( stern \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? organization adobe systems incorporated lines 24 charles boesel writes article world std com \( sci image processing , comp graphics \) , wdm world std com \( wayne michael \) writes searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix x motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop mac stuff deleted understand adobe working making photoshop available sgi indigo , rumor would n't bet see going release illustrator sgi real soon illustrator sgi shipping product adobe sgi announced photoshop ported sgi machines announcement made adobe sun sun platforms dates announced best knowledge stern adobe com \( 415 \) 962 adobe systems , charleston rd , pob 7900 , mountain view , ca 94039 7900 're couple little goats \( jeff \? \)
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject theism fanatism \( islamic genocide \) organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 323 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism \( deletion \) theism correlated fanaticism neither said fanatism caused theism theism leads fanatism point , theism increases chance becoming fanatic one could course argue would fanatics tend towards theism \( example \) , times history theism dominant ideology invalidate conclusion basic mechanism behind imo , influence stalin , matter , ayn rand , invalidates assumption theism factor considered bogus said theism factor fanatism point theism factor 's claim back consider argument useful following belief strongly correlated fanaticism therefore belief factor fanaticism true , utterly useless \( note , belief , belief gods \) tiring say least backed , read first statement read conspicuous absence evidence point latter fallacy wrong analogy saying someone believes something hardly information person saying someone theist holds much information , correlation theists fanatism higher belief fanatism special features theistic belief truth blatant assertion evidence \? gullibility , blind obedience authority , lack scepticism , , reliable indicators really dangerous people sources fanaticism often none things cynical manipulators gullible , know precisely 's claim support please note especially field theism , leaders believe say believe , 're incredibly naive , frank o'dwyer , living dream world wonder base discussion left statement matter fact , think ignorant human nature even one starts something one believe , one gets easily fooled actually believing one says give benefit doubt , prove statement onus proof , sunshine makes think theist leaders believe say \? especially say one thing another , say one thing closely followed opposite \? practice restricted theism , 's anyone see 's almost epidemic country instance , harder camel pass eye needle , catholic church wealthy land owner \? churches square inch country \? , brands theism , precisely theists , tend fanaticism , grant tar theists brush bigotry , reasoned argument reads like warm censorship restriction religious freedom ever read animal farm \? 's straw man usually discussions one repeat read written every theism leads fanatism , fanatism caused theism point , correlation , comes innate features theism , comes features theism common fanaticism last statement simply n't implied say , 're trying sneak innate features theism word 're groping bogus theism fanatic however , rest already gives backup statement correlation fanatism theism , specialty theistic beliefs allows switch fanatism easily takes nifty improvement theology truth blatant assertion gullibility , way , one shit , sherlock talk gullibility instead theism , since seems whole lot relevant case , opposed case trying make \? theism attraction gullible people causing correlation whole discussion started way statement theism correlated fanatism , challenged indeed recall , asked evidence correlation speak \? say going forbid religion another straw men interesting nothing better offer said reads like warm 's 's irrational bogus tirade , use creating nice us split minds excitable people found either side church walls blah blah blah quite well aware giving everyone rights protects better fanatics way round course , people always fanatics , never oneself wish theists seems pretty fanatical quite nice see actually implying connection argument rise fanatism far , another assertions \? \( 2 \) define irrational belief e g , rational believe reason always useful \? irrational belief belief based upon reason latter discussed long time charley wingate one point beliefs violate reason often , another process lend rational analysis contain reliable information well , glaring paradox argument reason useful based reason would circular , argument based reason would irrational \? 's bogus self reference circular since evaluation usefulness possible within rational systems , allowed k , 's oval 's still begging question , however though certainly allowed , 's rational claiming rational another assertions proof , evidence , claims hey learned good \? risk repeating , hearing n't hear refutation , 're back deal ca n't use reason demonstrate reason useful someone thinks reason crap wo n't buy , see unusually weak even latter implies proof depends opinion somehow accept triangles wo n't accept pythagoras wow , 's incredible insight n't prove wrong opinion possible show systems leave useful information respectively claims unreliable even absurd statements information totally circular , totally useless wish believe makes believe things judges appeal , information makes feel good believe may good , contains zillions possible pitfalls belief despite contrary evidence bogus proofs attempt truth blatant assertion 've seen many bogus proofs non existence gods existence rational systems , way , mean every data come logical analysis , point evaluation data contradict logic easily follows system allows evaluate rational yes , possible evaluate rational system rational fallacies system , since validity axioms agreed upon , little impact possibility demon ala descartes n't parse , sorry far matter consistency use arguments show system consistent n't evaluation predictions need rationality contradict , however argument silly proving mathematical statements needs mathematics mathematics circular anybody else think godel silly \? stream consciousness typing \? supposed mean \? first part second statement contains information , n't say beliefs beliefs strong theism strong atheism , statement general true second part sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum lend rational analysis , assumed contain reliable information regardless process used obtain 've speaking religious systems contradictory definitions god axiomatic datum lends rational analysis , say often refuted fallacy look discussion axiom choice , one evaluate axioms larger systems usually derived exist derived , want way , one test consistency set axioms trying say \? point , people always wind saying datum reliable particular reason example dreaming nope evidence trick choice axiomatic basis system difficult , possibilities one therefore chooses least assumptions assumptions necessary get information system anyway 'd like see alleged evidence one need define axioms order define evaluation method usefulness , foundation laid one feels \( 's one feels \) see irrational beliefs , fanatics never , \? compared evidence theists claims strength demands makes whole thing irrational antirational ca n't agree specific theism \? say theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect using traditonal definition gods personal , supernatural entities objective effects world usually connected morals way world works imo , belief gods necessarily irrational mean people hold principle opposed exercise intelligence atheists also scientists , example n't use theism science would n't science please note subjective data lend scientific treatment well prohibit formulating objective statements ergo , nothing objective fair enough affinity fanatism easily seen true believe nothing work hypothesis however , beliefs say work hypothesis n't understand argument \? person believes system b becuase sounds nice make b true , best work hypothesis however , content b true work hypothesis testing evaluating evidence therefore dismissed b \( already believed \) says wrong waste time possible depending contents b idolaters protestants killed , interesting effects peculiar definition interesting , sure show belief gods entails contents speak n't catholic neighbours killing protestants , example \? maybe n't believe maybe 's conjunction b asserts b jail kill important , belief gods entirely irrelevant certainly seems , axe grind example neighbours fallacy neighbours n't says little others times exactly happened nope , 's fallacy n't go correlation wish see tell , irrelevant , statements idolaters holy books \? please note one could edit relevant anymore gods n't err \? say message \? excuse holy books \? come theists saying ordered god ok god easiest way excuse anything , therefore highly attracting fanatics mention effect interpretation fanatics rest believers happens god neither easiest way excuse anything , way frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
wcl risc sps mot com \( wayne long \) subject observation floppy copy works pgm mgr , dos shell organization motorola \( austin , tx \) lines 51 nntp posting host sps mot com anyone observed \? copy large , say 800k file \( large pkzip file instance \) floppy drive \( 3 5 \) ms windows 3 1 via either program manager dos shell , file copied dos shell errors whereas file copied within program manager corruption detected executing pkunzip b file zip copies file copied via dos shell always shows corruption 's kicker many windows open dos windows apps supposedly windows' apps share time slice , whereas dos apps get equal time slice \( unless \) , example , 5 windows' apps open , 2 multitasking dos sessions running , one execution dos shell iconized \( inactive \) scenario , cpu time divided two major slices one windows apps one slice running dos app copying windows pgm mgr , 'll assume windows dos tasks essentially inactive thus pgm mgr gets , say , 80 windows slice 95 execution background dos shell 's slices thus gets \( 8 \) \( 95 \) 2 72 72 total available cpu time copying dos shell , activate execute exclusive mode dos shell \( dos background tasks allowed \) , full screen , windows task manager cpu time available shell would 80 windows slice \( inactive windows applications \) 100 dos slice \( 1 0 \) \( 8 \) 8 80 total available cpu time get copy errors dos greater amount cpu time \? program manager working pre mode floppy copy \? must ! miscellaneous data running windows top dos 5 0 , qemm 5 x , sys , 2 0 mbyte smartdrive \( delayed writes \) , two , logitech mouse driver 6 2 , full motherboard ram , motherboard cache , 386 dx 33 mhz running dos edit com tsr dos shell wayne long internet wcl risc sps mot com 6501 william cannon drive west uucp cs texas edu ! oakhill ! risc ! wcl austin , texas 78735 8598 phone \( 512 \) 891 fax 891 3818
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject supply organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 1 order \?
ulan ee ualberta ca \( dale ulan \) subject circuit boards green \? nntp posting host ee ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 28 kuusama kaarne cs tut fi \( kuusama juha , , , vtt , \) writes question anything important , still curious almost printed circuit boards green \? seen blue ones , red , yellow , company logo etc technical reason could marketing geniuses tought \( yet \) \? green layer solder mask , used make finished board look neat , avoid solder bridges , especially using wave soldering \( mechanized approach \) 've seen red mask , 've seen green bakelite board look brown colour , , solder mask put , looks like brown board green either side \( one side \) board fibreglass board look green side , green solder mask makes board appear colour got fibreglass board mask , would grey colour teflon boards exist , well i'm sure one 'd guess stuff invented solder mask green , 're change also , change chemical probably requires better normal cleaning machines make boards lot companies make boards ship real
rbunge access digex net \( robert bunge \) subject vandalizing sky organization express access online communications service , greenbelt , maryland usa lines 27 nntp posting host access digex net article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes i'm wondering vandalize proper word use situation dictionary defines vandalism willful malicious public private property , especially anything beautiful would agree sky beautiful , public private property 's public belongs everybody 's vandalism many people power companies maliciously waste light sell city state unshielded light wastes 30 50 percent light , make money never mind money wasted never mind 's money wasted never mind sky ruined bob bunge greed great gordon
cobra chopin udel edu \( king cobra \) subject espn f ck nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 37 article wavefront wti com matthew wavefront wti com \( matt \) writes espn \( fortunate baseball game \) showed red wings toronto game cool swear advertisements week long said espn would show pitt nj tuesday bos buff thursday raced home work early \( 4 30 pacific \) catch game , alas , boston buffalo game promised would show pitt nj game thursday overnight changed mind hell u talking \? espn showed pens devils game advertised morons espn know pens kick devils ass game boring 'd rather see boston buffalo game seems exciting series since noone expected buffalo get past first round well let 's hope change mind thu 's game show game pens series really getting boring want see exciting game matter wins nhl wants major network contract better put brains espn people experience makes person make new mistakes instead old one e mail cobra chopin udel edu
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject free moral agency organization case western reserve university lines 29 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article pj darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes see , told atheist mythology , thanks proving point bill considering quoted refered blank , must say ! course , correct , atheistic mythology employed board , , null void private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
unix amherst edu \( mta \) subject atheism survey nntp posting host amhux3 amherst edu organization amherst college x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 lines 100 research atheism , part involves field research net following survey directed towards readers group , intended get data basis atheistic belief would seriously appreciate every one would fill mail back unix amherst edu first , 've tried structure questions answered variety ways , varying amounts detail 's possible give succinct answers everything , 's enough keep typing hours , i'm sure much detail want give \( mean \) great , 's also important broad base individuals possible , even minimal responses far better nothing 's short survey answer questions without secondly , hope questions n't come obnoxious know phrases like would convince existence god imply seminary student intent proving ignorant godless fact , i'm sure existence higher power , use god question rather ideology 's easier repeating deity higher power every time also , tend use lot anthropological buzzwords like belief system although know might contend n't beliefs , skeptical towards everything understand know mean think buzzwords abbreviations rather phrases required get precise idea across lastly , thanks ! please fill much , much detail , send research thank would place beliefs , spectrum theism agnosticism weak atheism strong atheism \? feel free elaborate specific beliefs , , religious tradition raised \? ever believe existence god \? \( several following questions presume answer yes 've always atheist , least never theist , may modify question answer somewhat \) serious family 's involvement \? start doubt tenets raised believe \? final break beliefs , , occur \? realize often ongoing process event per se whatever case , describe whatever detail wish contact atheists \( \) conversion atheism \? \( certainly involvement alt atheism counts net discussions affected beliefs \? \) extent think atheists influenced beliefs \? come beliefs discussion , independent means , combination two means \? convinced beliefs acquired wholly rational means \( proofs non existence god , etc \) , perhaps , least part , means \( alienation mainstream religion , etc \) \? extent feel understand universe beliefs \? phenomena universe human existence \( anything physical phenomena problem existence evil human affairs \) feel adequately dealt beliefs , lacking explanatory method \? would take question , change , beliefs \? would convince existence god , would convince god 's existence , forth \? dynamic beliefs constantly changing stayed less time \? involved career education science \? extent think science influenced beliefs \? \( asimov claimed science new secular religion , scientists , real sense , new priesthood see pursuit science quasi religious base , even religious element \? \) survey intended get data broad range individuals , also help narrow field small group people whose ideas histories could useful would willing , basis survey , write find beliefs \? , fine filling survey alone great thanks feel free contact questions i'm data , anything say addition 've asked mark abbott unix amherst ed
informatik uni erlangen de \( oliver \) subject pontiac option codes wanted organization csd , university erlangen nntp posting host informatik uni erlangen de lines 12 summary pontiac option code listing needed anyone listing pontiac 's three letter option codes mean \? thanks oliver oliver graduate student computer sciences university erlangen , germany 're killing , peg ! oh , shut , al , like care
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject internet resources organization delco electronics corp distribution sci lines 15 article 1 cs cmu edu stk1203 vax003 stockton edu writes taking course entitled exploring science using internet final project , find compendium internet resources dealing science related topic chose astronomy anyway , wondering anyone knew interesting resources internet provide information astronomy , space , nasa , anything like robert mcelwaine authoritative source scientific data internet reached alt fan mc spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
magnus acs ohio state edu \( paul \) subject religion marriage nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 20 n't sure right newsgroup post , guess misc reason goes getting married june devout \( wisconsin synod \) lutheran would classify strong agnostic weak athiest subject many discussions us really real obstacle n't real difficulties religious differences yet , expect pop children agreed raise children nominally lutheran , lutheran traditions , trying keep open mind sure even possible though feel worst quality religous lack open mind anyway , guess 'll get question anyone situation give suggestions deal \? 've taken attitude far talking lot letting anything get bottled inside sometimes get feeling 're making much bigger actually comments would greatly appreciated also , please e mail responses since n't get chance read group often \( paul
mlb engin umich edu \( andrew justin \) subject looking x windows pc organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 38 distribution world nntp posting host mlb engin umich edu keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows originator mlb engin umich edu article gpsemi com , markw pspmf3 gpsemi com \( mark wilkinson ext 3443 \) writes hi , first time 've posted net , hope going right people i'm looking software packages run ibm pc clone allows display openlook motif windows pc idea use pc cheap x windows terminal use process engineers work anyone e mail recommended packages horror stories etc would greatful thanks advance mark wilkinson mark wilkinson e mail wilkinson roborough gpsemi com senior software engineer lincoln gpsemi com gec semiconductors roborough , plymouth , england xoftware age software proven good runs ms windows relatively stable age com could probably help andy andrew justin jobs 1 \) nuclear engineering student university michigan 2 \) ring compton camera project dept nuclear engineering 3 \) parallel computing code work andrew umich edu umich edu andrew um cc umich edu engin umich edu
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject desert storm cards sale ! ! ! distribution usa organization university delaware lines 23 nntp posting host ravel udel edu desert storm cards sale divided two lots take highest bid 4 30 93 drop line bid lot 1 desert storm \( coalition peace , \) cards 38 , 3 , 16 , 28 \( \) , 8 \( \) , 71 , 30 , 34 2 , 69 , 48 , 2 , 79 , 15 , 16 \( \) , 66 , 69 , 17 , 21 , 26 85 , 25 , 17 \( \) , 18 , 6 , 86 , 23 , 49 2nd series \( \) cards 118 , 111 , 92 , 104 , 115 , 160 , 95 , 162 , 31 \( \) , 136 , 110 , 123 147 , 107 , 164 , 108 , 170 lot 2 desert storm \( pro set \) cards 44 , 87 , 120 , 196 , 229 , 19 , 74 , 121 , 153 , 208 , 47 , 100 , 150 , 187 , 13 , 58 , 178 , 217 22 , 94 , 142 , 197 , 227 , 4 , 108 , 174 , 228 , 6 , 89 , 137 , 190 , 205 , 23 , 82 , 128 , 199 , 211 \( \) sticker card sam 02106 chopin udel edu
daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 4 lets forget st sports touring honda
tedebear leland stanford edu \( theodore chen \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 27 article 1993apr22 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) writes v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? honda prelude \( \? \) nope 4 cylinder v8 n't know n't try hard lexus , several n't aware another infiniti v 8 besides q45 bmw one model \( 5 series \? \) several , , , \( 4 0 liter 3 0 liter v 8 \) mercedes one two models one two \? 's least one v 8 every platform except compact \( \) class \( , \) , \( , \) , \( \) acura one model \( ca n't remember name right \) acura n't v 8 cars moment v12 jaguar xjs bmw , 850 mercedes sls \( 500 sl \) v 8 inline six
michael jester gun de \( michael gerhards \) distribution world subject null modem cable \? x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 organization private coherent system lines 76 kevin kimmell computer science german undergrad \( ke kimmell vax cns muskingum edu \) wrote interrested simple concept null modem cable \( actually idea , n't count last statement \) i'm asking pins use \( 's specifications \? \) want solder one instead buying one n't even know port used db 25 db 9 pin pin name eia ccitt dte dce description 1 fg aa 101 frame ground 2 3 td ba 103 transmitted data 3 2 rd bb 104 received data 4 7 rts ca 105 request send 5 8 cts cb 106 clear send 6 6 dsr cc 107 data set ready 7 5 sg ab 102 signal ground 8 1 dcd cf 109 data carrier detect 9 positive dc test voltage 10 negative dc test voltage 11 qm equalizer mode 12 scf 122 secondary data carrier detect 13 121 secondary clear send 14 std 118 secondary transmitted data 15 tc db 114 transmitter clock 16 119 secondary receiver clock 17 rc dd 115 receiver clock 18 dcr divided clock receiver 19 sca 120 secondary request send 20 4 dtr cd 108 2 data terminal ready 21 sq cg 110 signal quality 22 9 ri ce 125 ring indicator 23 ch 111 data rate selector 24 ci 112 data rate selector 25 tc da 113 transmitted clock another posting c p h sorry , n't know author connecting devices normally , 7 wire connection used connect gnd1 modem connected , add lines following ri , dcd software wants , connect beware ! pcs use pin 2 pin 3 txd , modems normally pins reversed ! allows easily connect , pin 2 etc connect two pcs , cross txd hardware handshaking needed , called null modem connection used connect gnd1 additionally , connect \( software needs \) wo n't need long wires ! null modem connection used establish xon xoff transmission two pcs \( see software section details \) remember names dtr , dsr , cts rts refer lines seen pc means data set dtr rts incoming signals dsr cts outputs ! end michael michael jester gun de michael gerhards preussenstrasse 59 germany 4040 neuss voice 49 2131 82238
scott hpcvccl cv hp com \( scott linn \) subject ati build 59 drivers good \? nntp posting host hpcvccl cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 13 hofkin software org \( bob hofkin \) writes build 59 causes 2 exceptions exit windows fact , happen builds 44 , shipped gateway system something wrong , problem commonly overlooked \? never exceptions build 44 , 50 , 59 drivers gw2000 dx266 scott linn scott hpcvccl cv hp com
organization city university new york a54si cunyvm bitnet subject merlin , mithras magick 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet ss 113 apmaths uwo ca lines 25 article ss 113 apmaths uwo ca , ss apmaths uwo ca \( sultan \) says article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff mithras deleted oh , b day 25 dec ahem thought celebrated romans time mithras connected \? also heard romans large solar festival day day , 3 days winter , could notice change shadows sure sun indeed returning fact , remember latin phrase \( sp ! \) associated ca n't say certain , since ca n't locate master holiday list think 2 weeks however charles hope a54si cunyvm a54si cunyvm cuny edu government reporters media
parc xerox com \( ken \) subject oh make mind ! ! \( xv problems \) organization xerox parc lines 20 article 1993apr30 nessie mcc ac uk , lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) writes true 24 bit xv would come solid , logical , well argued lucid description precisely proposed extensions would work , feel free post n't mind someone would love see xv go 24 bit , would plenty \) xv load 24 bit image , display 's 24 bit glory 24 bit x displays b \) operations \( crop , dither , smooth , etc \) supported 24 bit images hard would \? ken xerox com
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject use haldol elderly organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu lines 41 article andrew cmu edu , lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes 've seen people forties fifties become disoriented demented hospital stays examples 've seen , drugs definitely involved father turned vegetable short time hospital fifty three time , 21 separate drugs wonder became confused ! many drugs , almost impossible know one causing problem drugs potentiate effect , make side effects worse , even dangerous \( kinda like mixing alcohol antihistamines ! \) doctors put something else well ! unfortunately , doctors prescribe drugs treat side effects drugs patient receiving one drug taking causes patient 's blood pressure go , many times prescribed instead evaluating need original drug many older adults trying take dozen drugs home ! ! ! ! procure list drugs grandmother getting , discuss independent doc problems may effect haldol haldol may used validly , may prescribed medication confused , hospital normally haldol confused elderly fully agree addition , examined another doctor evaluate need medications taking ca n't remember guidelines either saw text heard lecture , elderly adult receiving medications need drug evaluated regularly current physician unwilling , find one either check phone book physician specializes medicine , contact physician referral line american medical society finding specialist , \( \) likely tune special needs elderly adults maybe help
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( john schafer \) subject babe 's pitching organization lehigh university lines 10 anyone tell babe ruth 's complete pitching stats \? know 5 0 pitcher yankees , numbers red sox \? thanks advance ! kris schafer hey , lottery pick , lottery pick , lottery pick ! go phillies ! give beer give death lets pillage ! al bundy , shoe salesman women , ca n't live , pass norm , barfly
plx com \( temporary technical writer \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords n distribution na organization plexus software , division rei lines 10 nntp posting host riding passenger n't really depend type bike things want passenger ergo , 's asking advice , reasoned n't much practice , period say , fine still would n't take road 's switch backs reverse center , mention squids also particular road asked advice , even though n't meant , still consider best 've read lee
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject go hell lines 42 organization walla walla college lines 42 article 1993apr20 nuscc nus sg cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) writes cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) subject go hell date tue , 20 apr 1993 10 33 45 gmt article 93106 psuvm psu edu jsn104 psuvm psu edu writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! ! ! another one \? ! another letter big guy dear god , please take back heaven leave us rational , intelligent people alone love , meng unenlightened one tan chade meng light end tunnel singapore cmtan iss nus sg 's coming train meng , better prayer dear god , please save world likes ! ! ! tammy
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 26 article isgtec isgtec com robert isgtec com \( robert osborne \) writes michael frederick rhein \( mfrhein wpi wpi edu \) wrote article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite someone else pointed , would stove use warm day texas agree original theory anything , since utilities turned might using wood stoves cook meals also might run fire wood \( maybe chopping \? \) also may cooking , eating stored thought brent yes well aware electricity cut , thanks hundreds e mail messages replies post irvine personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
af664 yfn ysu edu \( frank decenso , jr \) subject christianity crisis organization youngstown state youngstown free net lines 371 bit listserv christia zane writes bitnet \( zane \) newsgroups bit listserv christia subject christianity crisis date wed may 12 14 43 19 1993 frank , first , thanks great scripture verses pleasure read reply welcome , zane zane sure nothing say change mind would like ask book question really anything mean , caught word faith thing , read book 've rescued error pain result christian life \? reply \( 1 \) first became christian , entered word faith movement easy n't grounded word god sound doctrine visited christian book stores , cheapest books could find buy 50 1 00 books hagin others consequently , began receiving hagin 's monthly magazine \( still send \) , also copeland 's \( also , still sent \) n't read booklet jimmy called hyper faith new began realize teachings error started reading bible studying sure enough , jimmy right many points part experience , christians , particularly new christians , teachings heretical need bereans acts 17 11 check teachings scripture ! \( 2 \) brother law involved word faith cult area 's leader real good friends benny hinn rather going much detail , suffice say deceived , mistreated , fallen atheism i'm still praying \( phil 1 6 \) \( 3 \) assistant pastor church teach adult sunday school copeland 15 years thousands tapes faith teachers class recently , quoted several teachers' heretical statements surprise since , 've able talk length issues \( 4 \) leader women 's group church benny hinn recently , found good morning , holy spirit women church prompted quotes sunday school , well people church i'm well aware abuses heresies perpetrated movement urgency heart life warn people heresies heresies \? jesus became sin took nature devil , became one b jesus' death cross n't enough atone c jesus dragged hell death , beat abused satan demons , thus finishing atonement satan ruling jesus hell e jesus died spiritually , lost divinity , resurrection f gods heresies documentation provided teachings upon request zane \? preventing going joining word faith movement 'd contemplating joining long , 've read book , 've saved \? reply n't christianity crisis helped booklet mentioned much , much better tremendous documentation insights zane n't nice scriptural answer believe best un profitable christians engage type activity heresy hunting reply call heresy hunting \? hunting implies n't readily accessible available movement fastest growing movement christendom hagin sold 40 million books hinn sold books last couple years dobson combined fred price largest church terms seating capacity usa n't sound like much hunting needed scriptural expose doctrinal error gave verses given epistles written due error \( doctrinal , practical \) churches early church numerous councils expose error heresy 's new thing remember luther \? zane would like point though , historically hunt heretics often end causing bigger mess heretics un documented opinion reply \( 1 \) provide documentation , would appreciated \( 2 \) read ephesians 4 11 16 , esp vss 13 14 tell causes immaturity body eph 4 13 14 till come unity faith knowledge son god , perfect man , measure stature fullness christ longer children , tossed fro carried every wind doctrine , trickery men , cunning deceitful plotting , contrary popular opinion , n't caused exposing error 's caused error zane many probably give place seeing scriptures documenting spiritual development growth writers would suggest fiery paul letter galatians one loses sake love end reply scholars believe paul wrote 2 timothy last let 's examine admonitions tim ascertain become 2ti 1 13 15 hold fast pattern sound words heard , faith love christ jesus good thing committed , keep holy spirit us know , asia turned away , among 2ti 2 15 18 diligent present approved god , worker need ashamed , rightly dividing word truth shun profane idle , increase message spread like cancer hymenaeus sort , strayed concerning truth , saying resurrection already past overthrow faith 2ti 2 24 26 servant lord must quarrel gentle , able teach , patient , humility correcting opposition , god perhaps grant repentance , may know truth , may come senses escape snare devil , taken captive 2ti 3 6 9 sort households make captives gullible women loaded sins , led away various lusts , always learning never able come knowledge truth resisted moses , also resist truth men corrupt minds , disapproved concerning faith progress , folly manifest , also 2ti 3 12 17 yes , desire live godly christ jesus suffer persecution evil men grow worse worse , deceiving deceived must continue things learned assured , knowing learned , childhood known holy scriptures , able make wise salvation faith christ jesus scripture given inspiration god , profitable doctrine , , correction , instruction righteousness , man god may complete , thoroughly equipped every good work 2ti 4 2 5 preach word ! ready season season convince , rebuke , , teaching time come endure sound doctrine , according desires , ears , heap teachers turn ears away truth , turned aside things , endure , work evangelist , fulfill ministry 2ti 4 14 15 alexander much harm may lord repay according works also must beware , greatly resisted words zane picture paul one goes way destroy ministry wolves one teaches sheep , many tears , necessity absolutely allowing transformed wolves protect reply act 20 26 31 therefore testify day innocent blood men declare whole counsel god therefore take heed flock , among holy spirit made , shepherd church god purchased blood know , departure savage wolves come among , flock also among men rise , speaking perverse things , draw away disciples therefore watch , remember three years cease warn everyone night day tears zane warning paul , note never drops name wolf admit cries beard end abandoned everyone asia n't \? reply paul mentioned names 1 18 20 charge commit , son timothy , according prophecies previously made concerning , may wage good warfare , faith good conscience , rejected , concerning faith suffered , hymenaeus alexander , delivered satan may learn 2ti 1 15 know , asia turned away , among 2ti 2 16 18 shun profane idle , increase message spread like cancer hymenaeus sort , strayed concerning truth , saying resurrection already past overthrow faith 2ti 4 10 forsaken , loved present world , departed , titus 2ti 4 14 15 alexander much harm may lord repay according works also must beware , greatly resisted words john 1 9 10 wrote church , , loves among , receive us therefore , come , call mind deeds , us malicious words content , receive brethren , forbids wish , putting church jesus also singled teachings doctrines rev 2 14 16 things , hold doctrine , taught put stumbling block children israel , eat things sacrificed idols , commit sexual immorality thus also hold doctrine , thing hate , else come quickly fight sword mouth rev 2 20 23 nevertheless things , allow woman , calls , teach seduce servants commit sexual immorality eat things sacrificed idols gave time repent sexual immorality , repent indeed cast , commit adultery great tribulation , unless repent deeds kill children death , churches shall know searches minds hearts give one according works zane question , purposes write books build ministries faults deliberate otherwise others maybe would wander around desert eating locust honey , barely worldly goods stake , money made , reputations maintain would question motives conscious otherwise less reply wo n't comment deals motives others even bad motives , remember paul said phi 1 15 18 indeed preach christ even envy strife , also good former preach christ selfish ambition , sincerely , supposing add affliction chains latter love , knowing appointed defense gospel \? every way , whether pretense truth , christ preached rejoice , yes , rejoice zane want true admonitions scripture many list protecting flock wolves winds doctrines , suggest start allowing wolf program pasture nailed cross reply please explain zane secondly , suggest heresy hunting restricted fellowships strict scriptural sense local city church reply heresy propagated mass media , may needed go mass media exposure unfortunately , heresy taught copeland 's church hagin 's hinn 's price 's , radio , print , etc pastor church leader knows materials sheep feeding outside church 's imperative leadership made aware , also , let 's examine passage scripture eph 4 11 gave apostles , prophets , evangelists , pastors teachers , eph 4 12 saints work ministry , body christ , ministry gifts lord installs church one individual church , body christ paul apostle traveled message also teacher 4 17 reason sent timothy , beloved faithful son lord , remind ways christ , teach everywhere every church 7 17 god distributed one , lord called one , let walk ordain churches also 12 28 god appointed church first apostles , second prophets , third teachers , miracles , gifts , helps , administrations , varieties tongues eph 4 13 till come unity faith knowledge son god , perfect man , measure stature fullness christ notice five fold ministries going around till church unity faith knowledge son god perfect man , believe occur fully lord jesus returns \( see 13 9 12 \) god wants body continue maturity unity body \? eph 4 14 longer children , tossed fro carried every wind doctrine , trickery men , cunning deceitful plotting , 's clear false doctrine , integrated church trickery men causes \( 1 \) thing striving \( 2 \) spiritual immaturity church continues spiritual childhood christians tossed fro carried every wind doctrine five fold ministry , appear clear scriptural denominational boundaries \( pastors appear responsible individual flock \) , deal doctrines \( necessary \) struggle equip body believers called degree 1 3 4 beloved , diligent write concerning common salvation , found necessary write contend earnestly faith delivered saints certain men crept unnoticed , long ago marked condemnation , ungodly men , turn grace god deny lord god lord jesus christ zane 'll notice , scripture heresy hunters went church church area area , bad guys went good guy namely paul considered arch heretic reply heretics trying discredit paul preaching contrary taught ! zane let 's face , wolves reason reason let 's hope wolves become sheep , sheep , reply yes ! 2ti 2 24 26 servant lord must quarrel gentle , able teach , patient , humility correcting opposition , god perhaps grant repentance , may know truth , may come senses escape snare devil , taken captive amen ! frank one wished contend , could answer one time thousand job 9 3
cco caltech edu \( justin fang \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization chaotic lines 34 nntp posting host 131 215 42 51 article 1993apr23 asl dl nec com , duffy asl dl nec com \( joseph duffy \) wrote article hilbert cyprs rain com max hilbert cyprs rain com \( max webb \) writes big bang sound absolutely convinced ! tell long last , color \? since asked big bang formation atoms seconds color bright bright must exciting know sure n't believe current theory fairly well supported observational evidence \( well supported , say evolution relativity , 's another matter \) 're one proposes unquestioningly accepting religious dogma fact \( apologies 're actually creationist \) way , seems though fine line new miracles new theories line broader think theories supported evidence miracles supported someone 's say joe duffy duffy asl dl nec com nec america , inc advanced switching laboratory justin fang \( cco caltech edu \) space intentionally left blank
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject antihistamine sleep aid nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 13 i'm interested angle antihistamine take relief allergies , assurance sedative effect completely worn next morning , preferably anti allergy effect lasting longer \? i'm thinking mainly otc products least duration sedative action , , \? note i'm asking duration , intensity michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject netware server 286a distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 58 04 19 93 03 53 , wayne mcdougall unmitigated gall say wm software netware 286 level ii see burnt wm screen sft netware 286 level ii v2 0a however , configure netware wm level ii \( mirrored disks \) requires second disk , yes \? yes mirroring requires controller capable writing two disks , preferred way mirroring , uses two controller cards two disk drives requires special card two identical disk drives \( cases \) sometimes pulled slightly different drives controllers , long sizes wm novell server 286a normally configured \? configuration completely user wm 1 install sft netware 286 level ii v2 0a level , wm causing error \? one disk , ca n't use level ii sft however , disk serial number , disk different version netware would get error make sure disk actually belongs rest set floppies netware installation set wm 2 novell server 286a normally equipped two hard drives , wm one failed \? two drives could either two netware volumes sft , one volume mirrored using sft ii impossible tell network wm 3 would mean install network software wm hardware failed drive \? try failed drive , using standard disk controller , installing software one volume sft software install , one disk functional , able work configuration wm 4 else cause error \? see comment concerning serial number installation floppy wm 5 happens keycard fails \? keycard attached \? line noise provided south central bell ! blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 10 article morgan demon co uk tony morgan demon co uk writes let brain dead idiots drive us \? , unlike uk , passing average driving test usually requires pulse single digit iq every state controls licensing requirements , 's possible 's test actually requires driving skills , doubt blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
les tom com \( les tom \) subject replacement program distribution world organization idc bbs alameda , ca 510 865 reply les tom com \( les tom \) lines 33 maw ying yuan wrote yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \( maw ying yuan \) subject replacement program manager file manager \? message id news hawaii edu date thu , 29 apr 1993 06 44 04 gmt replacements win3 1 's program manager file manager \? yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \) hi , 've using 's plug program manager listed add gives needed features progman ability better manage groups , change cursor icons fly , constant status ram resources , quick menu \( drop menu dos commands app launcher \) , plus neat stuff used , liked , even reg 'd g ca n't find anywhere , let know 'll zip mail \( shareware version , course g \) aloha es hope abandon , ye enter messages slmr 2 1a idc bbs 510 865 \( usr hst 14 4k \) 510 814 \( usr ds v 32bis \) alameda , california home ,
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject 's nickname grapes \( cherry help , \) nntp posting host swanlake cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 22 gjhsun \( george h \) writes lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) writes got nickname 'grapes' i'm sure use coach boston bruins n't know exactly could someone fill info \? think name 'grapes' came coach \( bruins \? minors \? \) used chew grapes keep getting dehydrated games dog blue may named 'cause liked beer anyone know \? according quotations chairman cherry , playing springfield another player pay fines player paid , n't want called player teacher 's pet , player replied ah , 's sour grapes n't know accurate , 's 's printed
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject welcome police state usa lines 83 organization university tennessee division continuing education article dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article veal 755 utkvm1 utk edu , veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell batf , letter 've sending people , says lost element surprise , went knocked door slammed faces strikes kind strange rely surprise serve warrant knocking door presumably b mount continuous state alert gunmen ready fire people casually walked ring doorbell let 's try batf concerned surprise intended serve warrant knocking door \? batf appears description events case , one mount ambush one n't alert \? expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one phill , batf firefight bd forty five minutes find hard believe expecting peaceful citizens would n't shown live stock trailers would retreated immediately smart move unless meant part cover even narrow opening trucks simply good idea side opening truck would much better , like covered , batf fired left trailers knock door serve warrant \? every description 've heard indicates batf hang around trailers decided open matter , expect peaceful citizens , come live stock trailers \? expecting citizens , show hundred officers , clearly visible video carrying sub machineguns , 3 national guard helicopters \? sounds right minimum amount force would consider necessary serve warrant talk politics guns annual dinner ok , make sure 've got straight consider armed troops disguised vehicles multiple helicopters used serve search warrants peaceful citizens \( n't one entertaining shifts , described batf expecting , peaceful \) michael ordered use 5000 crack troops including members parachute regiment remove approx 250 peace protestors site wanted install cruise missiles even turned flack jacket monitor proceedings dangerous tool women tin opener single action probably cost position prime minister one elders church got arrested heroic action forces ever something national joke n't see past abuses excuse present ones hell , 're even discussing government david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
ccwf cc utexas edu \( faisal \) subject powerbook serial ports organization university texas austin , austin tx lines 25 distribution world reply ccwf cc utexas edu \( faisal \) nntp posting host flubber cc utexas edu originator flubber cc utexas edu hello question \( two \) serial ports powerbooks \( specifically 145 system 7 0 1 \) difference serial ports powerbooks versus mac , say plus ii \? \? heard , though confirmed apple serial ports problems high speeds also heard sys 7 1 's new power manager problem allowing speeds serial port particular use board need interface powerbook via modem port 9600 baud currently , interfacing using mac pluses set everything lab nothing fact , powerbook locks anyone help , inform , advise \? would appreciate would prefer email since n't read news post summary enough response generated thanks faisal ccwf cc utexas edu ps topic discussed already , please excuse direct appropriate places thanks
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject requests organization sgi lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article mailer cc fsu edu , mayne pipe cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) writes article pww spac at1 59 rice edu pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) writes n't church get lightning rods banned several european countries eighteenth century widely believed interfered god 's striking \? seem remember common eastern europe n't know eastern europe , according bertrand russell , writing science mysticism \( think , though could another book \) said preachers colonial boston attributed earthquake god 's wrath people putting lightning rods , preaching interference god 's deprived lightning bolts method get sinners evidently resorted measures smilies making i'm sure san francisco earthquake couple years ago , flurry traffic talk religion misc result notorious homo city fact earthquake actually road santa cruz n't seem phase jon
filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) subject wash isl ot game reply filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) organization university pennsylvania lines 17 nntp posting host staff dccs upenn edu comes indirectly al works studio espn hockey management espn reluctant leave pitt nj game \( even though outcome certain \) fear wash ny game going overtime caps scored 02 left tie game , al said heard many people say f k ! espn contractual obligation show baseball could broadcast ot hockey game next year , espn2 introduced baseball fans watch baseball hockey fans watch hockey get back stop posting articles subject ! ! ! many f n game 's making sick geoff filinuk
trentu ca subject organization islamic conference reply trentu ca organization trent university , peterborough lines 9 dear friends , hi ! need information organization conference \( \) anyone know books , articles , journals contains information regarding organization \? know would please send e mail address ! thank advance hope hear soon since need present regards ! ! aziz
blix milton cs uiuc edu \( gunnar blix \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 20 need information medical \( including emotional \) pros cons circumcision \( birth \) especially interested references studies indicate disadvantages refute studies indicate advantages friend medical student writing survey paper , apparently studies run circumcision , main argument lower risk penile cancer please email responses frequent reader either group summarize net gunnar blix good advice one insults blix cs uiuc edu ought forgiven unknown gunnar blix good advice one insults blix cs uiuc edu ought forgiven unknown
rmbult01 starbase spd louisville edu \( robert bultman \) subject help dip switch settings ast hot shot 286 summary help dip switch settings ast 286 nntp posting host starbase spd louisville edu organization university louisville keywords hot shot 286 lines 16 could someone please tell dip switches back ast hot shot 286 accellerator card \? recently acquired card get docs information appreciated rob robert bultman speed scientific school university louisville internet rmbult01 starbase spd louisville edu robert bultman speed scientific school university louisville internet rmbult01 starbase spd louisville edu
subject albert sabin lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) distribution world , local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 26 article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes rfox charlie usd edu writes discussion josephus inserts thanks correct , , assuming josephus fact write jesus , christian \? jack indeed present consensus contrary dr fox saying , however , present consensus longer passage josephus jesus inserted , modified question least modified \( based origen says josephus recognize jesus messiah \) , n't think argument appears context good one \( n't looked context perhaps somebody could give sentences precede follow jesus passage \) jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophy lippard arizvms bitnet university arizona tucson , az 85721
wpi edu \( charles stanley \) subject rbi question organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 27 nntp posting host wpi edu judgement call part scorer sac fly rbi 's \? situation brought question red sox bottom 9th score 5 1 mariners bases loaded 1 batter hits fly center , fielder catches runner third tags scores without throw , without judgement call \( n't think one \) , rbi batter seems better name would defensive , since n't really matter whether guy third scores point \( know , think several mariners stole third second , opening base would allow , batter hit grounder third baseman gets deep hole third , would n't play home , third , second , maybe therefore ca n't make throw first get last , etc scenarios , really matter guy scores way 're 4 \? tying run going score , guy third \) point batter \( imo \) n't get credit \( rbi \) utterly failing job point get hit walk , trade one run guys think \? regards , burke \( charles \) wpi wpi edu go red sox ! ! ! \( 11 3 \) go rocket ! \( 3 0 \)
ucsd edu \( mike fischer \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university california , san diego lines 8 nntp posting host 39 1 extern ucsd edu article strobl gmd de strobl gmd de \( wolfgang strobl \) writes indeed true prefer windows nt certainly much better microsoft windows 3 1 dos like compared os 2 2 x \? mike
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject ! ! ! help ! need 3479p ! ! ! ! ! ! organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 21 would anyone extra 3479p 's lying around could buy problem around 30 quantities , n't need , ca n't take financially right anyone accomodate please reply following mailing addresses thanks ! ! ! baden de bari baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca true life fear death
rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) subject civility organization university virginia lines 1 shut andi !
altair edu subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization southeastern louisiana university lines 33 article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns medical examiners found bullet wounds , stated fbi , corpses find tremendously chilling many people seem willing accept governments story , despite much evidence contrary , mr clinton elected , people believe campaign promisses would respected got office people believe , little wonder believe given fact clinton reno fbi batf confederation cnn reported tonight bodies found bullet holes heads however , information possible causes say government stories taken face value case , jump conclusion stage may source embarrassment future let 's , may ploy smoke opposition \) comparison incidence square made soc culture china case need ammunition shoot \) matter side waco issue , ready die defending cause \? peace pete
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization stratus computer , inc lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 93112 psuvm psu edu , mark 'mark' sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes find tremendously chilling many people seem eager believe murderous , heavily armed religious cult , despite much evidence contrary murderous , huh \? yeah , sorts carnage going 60 years government assaulted oh , forgot probably consider self defense murder thought experiment suppose exact thing happened bush administration would answer \? would still prefer believe cultists \? damn right partisan thing 's individual liberties right citizen left hell alone \( , n't really expect response challenge \) 's another indication n't understand issue particular reason gummint decided slaughter eighty people \? , like , plain evil , \? wake one day , stretch yawn , throw dart map united states figure oppress day \? i'm eager know maybe said appropriations coming soon need good pr boost let 's find socially unpopular group happen lot guns , go like , heros , local media get video tape wo n't worry budget next year bill clinton look good cape \? n't one match jogging outfit \? cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
dan anderson subject ms mouse driver 8 2 reply dca roadnet ups com organization roadnet technologies , inc lines 20 article 1993apr27 princeton edu phoenix princeton edu ! carlosn \( carlos g niederstrasser \) writes anyone documentation ms mouse driver 8 2 \? got got windows 3 1 , windows manual come documentation particular need know turn , speed outside windows greater sensitivity needed play various games , esp x wing \) sensitivity changed using , v , h parameter commands following v vertical sensitivity h horizontal sensitivity follow parameter number 1 100 \( 1 slowest , 100 fastest \) default 50 type command mouse right keyboard add autoexec bat hope helps
cit cornell edu \( dov msi visitor \) subject earwax organization mathematical sciences institute \( msi \) cornell university lines 14 nntp posting host cit cornell edu article news bbn com levin bbn com \( joel b levin \) writes bobm ingres com \( bob \) writes one question doctor flushed ears also advocated drop rubbing alcohol afterwards flush remaining trapped water said told swimming , works , stings like devil , 've always content let water ears swimming flushing figure get shaking head times wo n't trick comments \? perhaps rubbing alcohol water , feels comfortable trick \?
niko iastate edu \( e \) subject donwloaded bin file unix machine \? organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 26 article matess gsusgi1 gsu edu matess gsusgi1 gsu edu \( eliza strickler \) writes donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format anyone know need file get dos , mac unix readable format someone mentioned fetch unix machine correct \? could someone explain bin format little \? almost certainly macbinary file encoded version mac file resource fork data fork get preserved need program converts regular file macbinary file , may downloaded text mode probably corrupt \( \) 're using ftp transfer point make sure type binary first open file text editor find \( file must converted bin top , binhex file decoded binhex 4 0 \( among programs \) niko project vincent systems manager email niko iastate edu iowa state university computation center voice \( 515 \) 294 ames ia 50011 snail 291 durham
len math nwu edu \( len evens \) subject space marketing would wonderfull nntp posting host math nwu edu organization dept math , northwestern univ lines 61 article k75 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes anybody strong claim control night sky , astronomers check common law days wild lands n't scarce , pioneers laid claim land putting use , eg clearing growing crop even lay claim right passage 've done long enough owners complained taken steps stop usage begets property rights astronomers using night sky thousands years \( eg light \) , lose common law right ownership another consequence ownership free sell , astronomers need money work light polluting billboards mirrors go , need even money buy extra image processing equipment , filters , space telescopes etc get around problem , long define astronomers \( eg include amateur astronomers \? nature lovers \? \) set system voluntary consensus solve dispute , instead invoking bans , regulations , etc enforced politicians point gun \( folks always think solution , ought pass law , solve problems first instead last resort methods failed \? \) stuff deleted proposal certainly needs work , working kind ideas first writing ought law letters congresscritters let 's give consensus , via free market , chance solve problem jim hart jhart agora rain com would mr hart please explain one could get every nation earth every corporation agree astronomers night sky without remember every nation follows english common law countries , history , probably true rulers everything explicitly owned individuals even north america , principle , inhabitants owned everything , new arrivals wanted use land resources , took case mr hart n't noticed , currently brutal war going bosnia owns course , friendly super power give international astronomy organization anti satelite missiles also agree defend attacked , proposal might work , would hardly non coercive us nutty environmentalists think might make sense first try mobilize public opinion advertising space also use governmental actions \( like taxing power , example \) discourage course would coercive mr hart leonard evens len math nwu edu 708 491 dept mathematics , northwestern univ , evanston , il
kari sage cc purdue edu \( kari \) subject cd player , 3 5 1 floppy , 360k floppy , rc car stuff \( lots \) ! ! ! ! please read immediate sale ! keywords misc , drives , rc , cd player , cd 's organization purdue university computing center distribution misc lines 46 greetings netters , following items immediate sale need money need stuff , work deal \) sharp single disk cd player originally paid , couple years ago works well , standards \( remote sensor remote included 20 track memory etc \) got new one need sell one please email offer ! ! \( 's standard black component style cd player \) 3 5 1 44 meg floppy drive real ibm floppy drive cable mounting case paid 40 couple months ago drive works \( last time \) would like get 40 back , obo applies 5 25 360k floppy drive i'm sure someone needs extra 360k works great nice quiet , please email offer remote control car 4 time world leader design runs great , even though body pretty new engine well racing chassis hard running , 's still great car include electronics comes monster truck conversion kit \( wheel arms already installed \) virgin truck body bumper etc car kit 100 20 120 obo make offer ! stuff name , probably please send email regarding want request sale list hate part , needs needs , eh \? misc cd 's alice chains 8 skid row \( self titled \) 8 obo really box computer printer paper paid 20 , make offer might 4 1 9 meg 60 ns simms forsale get new motherboard interested , price 40 piece sold set thanks advance , please respond soon conveniently possible dave kari sage cc purdue edu 317 495
reilly fnal gov \( rob reilly \) subject changing brake fluid necessary organization fermilab lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov article 1993apr23 gmuvax gmu edu , gmuvax gmu edu wrote hi 've seeing articles changing brake fluid wondering really necessary 86 toyota corolla , 94000 process preventative maintenance wondering something add list things information would greatly appreciated really love car would like keep long possible thanx lisa sign manual jeff goss 's answer , absorbed water rust master cylinder calipers could suddenly lose brake fluid
chen cwru edu \( keng chen \) subject control systems analysis package cosy pak v0 9 \( updated \) mathematica organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 555 distribution world nntp posting host mishna esys cwru edu keywords control systems , engineering , mathematica , public domain \( fee release \) announcing cosy pak \( symbolic control systems analysis package \) version 0 9 \( user fee release \) mathematica version 2 0 higher introduction cosy pak set packages notebooks classical control \( \) modern \( state space \) control analysis design methods notebooks cosy pak follow typical engineering i' course taught many universities around world junior senior level fee use cosy pak certain responsibilities expected user \( see copyright notice readme file included \) starters e mail fax mail \( post \) registration form included readme file cosy pak available via `anonymous mishna esys cwru edu \( internet 129 22 40 23 \) pub directory p typical 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provides better working laplacetransform functions mathematica v2 0 , adopted made cosy pak smaller thus brian signal processing packages supported laplacetransform functions cosy pak v0 81 longer needed directly cosy pak v0 9 power users use signal processing still recommend use fine brian evans package signal processing \( available anonymous ftp site gauss gatech edu ip 130 207 226 24 \) downside , disadvantage update mathematica 2 1 requires runtime resources previous version mathematica 2 0 users included laplacetransform package mathematica 2 1 directory 2 0' please move files directory 2 0 calculus directory mathematica packages directory introduction unsupported release cosy pak control systems analysis package symbolic control systems analysis using mathematica 2 1 classical control systems analysis design methods modern control systems methods implemented package package attendant notebooks developed next \( tm \) computer \( unix based workstation \) used supplementary 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differential equation zero valued initial conditions differential equation initial conditions notebook file name 02 math models chapter 2 mathematical modeling dynamic systems sections state space nonlinear system equations state space transfer function notebook file name 03 transient response chapter 3 transient response analysis \( chapter split three sub notebooks file size \) notebook file name 03 1 transient response sections time response analysis first order system second order system third order higher order systems notebook file name 03 2 transient response sections first order system \( step response vs time const \) notebook file name 03 3 transient response sections second order system \( step response vs ratio \) notebook file name 04 steady state response chapter 4 steady state response sections routh 's stability steady state error analysis notebook file name 05 root locus chapter 5 root locus analysis notebook file name 06 freq response chapter 6 frequency response analysis sections bode plot analysis magnitude vs phase plot \( nichols plot \) polar plot plot combined example notebook file name 07 state space chapter 7 state space methods sections introduction state transition matrix output pole placement design observer design time response using state space methods end notebook contents compressed files files contain complete set cosy pak v0 9 packages notebooks mathematica cosy pak 09 tar z compressed tar file unix systems cosy pak 09 sit hqx compressed sit file macintosh systems encoded binhex 4 0 format \( requires shareware stuffit file v 1 5 1 higher \) cosy pak ibm 09 zip zip file ibm pc running ms dos expanded mathematica files also used macintosh ibm pc unix systems also installation cosy pak unix command line type following command cosy pak 09 tar z tar xvf macintosh open sit hqx file using shareware stuffit v 1 5 1 higher ibm command line type following command pkunzip cosy pak ibm 09 zip note zip file zip utility v2 0 must use 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directory mathematica recognize mathematica packages unix machine , harddisk mathematica packages apple macintosh , c packages ibm pc beginning initialization cell notebook cosy notes directory , list example make mathematica identify directory \( initialization path \) \( example unix machine \( default \) \) \( path join path , mathematica packages \) \( example apple macintosh \) \( path join path , harddisk mathematica packages \) \( example ibm pc \) \( path join path , c packages \) change pathname according machine removing mathematica comment sign ` \( ' ` \) ' ` setting command makes mathematica recognize directory mathematica packages unix machine harddisk mathematica packages apple macintosh c packages ibm pc mathematica 2 0 users include laplacetransform package mathematica 2 1 directory 2 0 please move files directory 2 0 calculus directory mathematica packages directory getting started installation , start mathematica open notebooks cosy notes directory notebooks load 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mathematica versions 2 0 lower modification guarantee outcome documentation cosy pak functions indexed files directory according chapters usage illustrated notebooks residing directory computer support notebooks find macintosh computer acquire public domain notebook reader least allow peruse notebooks able evaluate code fragments references , r c , modern control systems , sixth edition , addison wesley , new york , 1992 fortmann , e , , k l , introduction linear control systems , marcel , 1977 franklin , g f , powell , j , , , feedback control dynamic systems , second edition , addison wesley , new york , 1991 kuo , b c , automatic control systems , sixth edition , prentice hall , new jersey , 1990 , k , modern control engineering , second edition , prentice hall , new jersey , 1991 phillips , c l , harbor , r , feedback control systems , second edition , prentice hall , new jersey , 1991 end readme file typical session ftp mishna esys cwru edu connected mishna 220 mishna ftp server 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anthony cit gu edu au \( anthony thyssen \) subject automatically configuring display variable keywords display , x windows , cshrc unix organization griffith university lines 114 css itd umich edu \( andrew douglas \) writes anyone know way unix machine automatically set 's display variable xterm 're using 's machine 's serving x \? best 've able come rather convoluted script extracts ip whos command , frequently fails , mention requires user name added andrew , consultant , itd consulting support services umich edu university michigan notes subject methods automatically passwd authorization one machine another also includes problem remote host current display used 1 use rsh rexec \( method xauth manual \) set file home directory remote machine password required execute commands xauth extract display rsh xauth merge method also used xrsh pass authorization vampire program also uses variation , however wrap part remote command sequence \( eg xauth add auth \) included method use job programs \( newer ones \) allow pass list environment variables includes copy authorization code required program available \( enabled \) sun machines also pass environment variables , well current directory however required store authority variable passing unless also shared home directories warning environment variables command line arguments visible listing flags passing authorization information environment variables arguments recommended method given manual \( shown \) safe view users 2 wrap part term environment variable method uses fact remote command pass term environment variable remote host matter script remote login file extract information term environment variable set things version script available network basically change term environment variable actual call rlogin performed , include display authorization remote machine extract information return term environment variable normal use terminal 8 script launching rlogin ! bin sh bin rl rlogin display n display case display \) display `hostname` display esac term term display export term fi rlogin 8 add cshrc login \( \? term \) \( `echo term tr cd ' '` ! '' \) echo term cut ' ' f3 xauth setenv display `echo term cut ' ' setenv term `echo term cut ' ' endif endif 8 xterm command use xterm hostname e bin rl hostname 8 3 nfs write file shared nfs partition access note home directories nfs mounted , authorization automatically passed , still pass display environment variable via file means ie login host echo display remote host setenv display 4 finger info plan file involves encrypting information ` ` remote machine finger information disadvantage information anyone user thus requiring encryption method individual ie method must shared known others , easy determine use me' technique give information remote accounts anyone asking last method developed last year second year , untill explained need encryption , point gave method however valid method \( 2 \) less secure anthony thyssen \( griffith university \) anthony cit gu edu au magic real unless declared integer john p melvin
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sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject news azerbaijan 5 19 22 organization zuma distribution world lines 500 article mem odu edu farid mem odu edu \( f h \) writes following news turan news agency baku azerbaijan brought service azerbaijan association p box 14571 berkeley , ca fax \( 804 \) 490 3832 email farid mem odu edu p l e e make hard copy news available azerbaijani near ! h e l n e new vice premier plans intensify work attraction western investments proposal summon special session supreme soviet rejected prospects trade economic cooperation azerbaijan estonia azerbaijan intend join cis common economic zone questions granting credit azerbaijan discussed moscow azerbaijan reply second variant trilateral initiative 26 may announcement prosecutor republic azerbaijan parliament intends appeal russian parliament regarding six accused soldiers armenians preparing north caucasus state assistance national minority development memorandum cooperation extracting oil gas fields azerbaijan signed armenia taking advantage prosecution six russian soldiers new armed forces armenia unocal company build 50 houses refugees azerbaijan manat beginning fall value discussion parliamentary election bill last till mid july isa gambar suggests azeri russian parliament commission circumstances criminal case created trilateral initiative ruined \? fate 645 million tons oil decided summer scientists lawyers russia appealed president azerbaijan armenian artillery continues firing azeri districts azeri prime minister leaving great britain new vice premier plans intensify work attraction western investments baku \( may 19 \) turan yesterday , , recently appointed vice premier republic , received us ambassador azerbaijan , richard miles azerbaijan newspaper informs , issue attraction western investments azerbaijan discussed meeting particular , stated western capital investigated profitable spheres manufacture also noticed , number priority manufactures released debts also said activities american oil companies promote strengthening american azeri relations proposal summon special session supreme soviet rejected baku \( may 19 \) turan yesterday , sitting milli mejlis , chairman , isa gambar , rejected proposal deputy summon special session supreme soviet azerbaijan written proposal summon session signed 130 deputates chairman said signatures invalid proposal could n't submitted discussion earlier , leadership milli mejlis called proposal summon special session supreme soviet coup attempt deputy parliament , , n't consider deputates objective removing milli mejlis chairman power concerns serious analysis social , economic foreign policy activity republic 's authority said deputates parliament , ejected duties one year ago rights express opinion questions supreme soviet azerbaijan \( 340 deputates \) dissolved one year ago , attempted bring back power functions handed milli mejlis , consisting 50 deputates \( 25 democrats 25 \) time democrats came agreement milli mejlis would n't exist long time would dissolved parliamentary elections time , deputates ejected duties guaranteed could summon session supreme soviet time went political activity parliament 0 prospects trade economic cooperation azerbaijan estonia baku \( may 19 \) turan prospects signing trade economic agreement azerbaijan estonia discussed meeting foreign minister group experts ministry economics , minister foreign affairs bank administration may 18 group experts headed , chief ministry economics estonia mia azerbaijan informed turan agency , stay baku , delegation also visit ministry economics national bank republic 0 azerbaijan intend join cis common economic zone baku \( may 19 \) turan deputy prime ministers republic , declared azerbaijan would n't join cis common economic zone considers cis economic zone proposal create common tax system contradicts independent economic policy republic according , pact cooperation proposals , submitted discussion leaders cis states moscow may 14 , number unfavorable points azerbaijan announcements two deputy prime ministers sound sensational background fact president azerbaijan chairman parliament noted necessity republic joining cis economic zone 0 questions granting credit azerbaijan discussed moscow baku \( may 19 \) turan today , azerbaijani delegation headed director foreign relation department ministry finance republic along representatives national bank leave moscow hold consultation russian government granting credit azerbaijan according preliminary information , credit 50 billion rubles press centre ministry finance informed turan 's correspondent , precise amount credit , conditions repay number questions mutual interest discussed course meeting moscow known credit mostly used mutual settling industrial enterprises azerbaijan russia sides reach agreement , proposed signing end may 0 azerbaijan reply second variant trilateral initiative 26 may baku \( may 19 \) turan measures peace presented russia , turkey usa azerbaijan armenia , representative president azerbaijan talks nagorno karabakh , noted plan seriously changed comparison first variant comments several points added schedule insistence armenian side intend come back analysis schedule , given positive answer may 6 , said representative president azerbaijan informed began work examination commentary , answer would given requested authors trilateral initiative may 26 known , first variant peace measures rejected armenia , put forward number pre conditions acceptance 0 announcement prosecutor republic azerbaijan baku \( may 20 \) turan azerbaijani prosecutor 's office announced russian mass media 's attempt portray 6 russian soldiers condemned military board azerbaijani supreme court , innocent people unjustified accounts witnesses confessions condemned , prove crimes committed together armenian military units knowledge headquarters russian army unit , served announcement points attempts represent soldiers ordinary mercenaries nothing russian army also unfounded evidences soldiers list one military unit 's russian yerevan certain russian circles try conceal fact direct participation russian army undeclared war armenia azerbaijan russian community azerbaijan 's prosecutor 's announcement follows , type actions make situation region much complicated 0 parliament intends appeal russian parliament regarding six accused soldiers baku \( may 20 \) turan turan agency informed , parliament azerbaijan considering question appealing russian parliament six accused soldiers' fortune particular , offer send representatives commission military affairs armed forces russian federation baku detailed study results six russian soldiers' case directed russian parliament according one supporters offer , initiative give russian parliament possibility convinced correctness investigation also chance discuss reasons given rise present situation russian troops participation war azerbaijan armenians preparing north caucasus baku \( may 20 \) turan national liberation front founded group armenians living north caucasus appealed establish armenian territories , stavropol regions , reported newspaper march 9 , 1993 published geneva north caucasus regarded integral part armenia documents organization admitting non reunion north caucasus armenia proper present , front appealing un , presidents russia , armenia united states consider need establish armenian caucasus attain goals , armenian organization considers necessary carry north caucasus forms methods activity identical nagorno karabakh besides decision fund cells armenian national liberation fronts every settlement appeal leaders armenian terrorist groups greece iran sent north caucasus instructors training armenian youth wage secret wars adopted thus according newspaper , new planning north caucasus state assistance national minority development baku \( may 20 \) turan meeting headed state secretary azerbaijan , ali , participation national cultural centers held baku first results realization president elchibey 's decree state assistance development language culture national minorities adopted september 16 , 1992 considered state secretary called decree important step establish legal democratic state confirmed commitment leadership azerbaijan set democratic society rights nationalities ethnic groups would respected state president azerbaijan national policy , , announced spite difficulties undeclared war republic , leaders state managed solve many problems concerning satisfaction cultural needs ethnic groups today , 33 national cultural centers registered ministry justice capital azerbaijan provided accommodation , furniture means communication accommodations rent free \( 8 foreign diplomatic missions baku placed hotels absence free accommodations including representation un general secretary \) noted , great work carried since decree adopted create conditions total development ethnic groups north azerbaijan lezghins live , national theater opened , transmitted work creation educational literature , , lezghins kurds national teaching scientific staff carried academy sciences azerbaijan memorandum cooperation extracting oil gas fields azerbaijan signed baku \( may 20 \) turan turan agency informed state concern , memorandum understanding companies amoco caspian sea petroleum , bi pi exploration operating , caspian , unocal ltd , turkish oil corporation mutual extracting fields azeri , signed according memorandum , general group preparing common program activity created according president , bagirov , cooperation provide using experience foreign companies efficiently project , main principles effective use oil gas resources , rational sharing investments , reducing exploitation expenditures maximizing profit azerbaijan exploitation fields memorandum also necessity take account historical political economical interests azerbaijan optimum use oil gas fields armenia taking advantage prosecution six russian soldiers baku \( may 21 \) turan azerbaijani court passed sentence six russian soldiers fighting armenian side karabakh , armenian propaganda become actively involved armenians living russia appealed president yeltsin request display asserting rights russian soldiers time , armenian mass media call legal proceedings case baku farce aimed getting arms russia karabakh armenians issued threat recently one could believe yerevan agency snark , armenians karabakh presented ultimatum authorities azerbaijan essence ultimatum russian soldiers shown mercy , three azeri prisoners karabakh shot dead simple explain touching attitude armenians six russian soldiers' fate chance sentence executed cause anti azeri anti armenian reaction , accused russian soldiers recruited yerevan former defence minister armenia transferred karabakh soldiers get mercy , armenian side think highly saving lives innocent russians new armed forces armenia baku \( may 21 \) turan according defence ministry azerbaijan may 20 21 , firing territories azerbaijan military bases territory armenia progress day , villages , , district azerbaijan fire kafan district armenia two inhabitants wounded , villages may 20 , firing villages , , , district azerbaijan positions armenian armed forces progress day diversion group armed forces armenia \( 50 60 men \) violated frontier azerbaijan , penetrated territory district azerbaijan , killed two shepherds village made attempt take flock across frontier azeri frontier guards stopped enemy unocal company build 50 houses refugees azerbaijan baku \( may 21 \) turan turan agency informed representation unocal american oil company , leaders company decided give 750 thousand dollars construction 50 houses refugees present , american side suggested village project consideration appropriate departments azerbaijan project farm village house personal lot , subsidiary accommodations according program construction putting operation village year manat beginning fall value baku \( may 21 \) turan lately , black market baku , national currency manat , fell price compared russian ruble thus one gives 1100 rubles 120 one us dollar taking account official exchange value manat respect ruble 1 10 , national currency fell value 10 percent meanwhile exchange value manat ruble banks , state establishments trade according representatives business circles experts , present situation explained fact rubles bought local businessmen need rubles financial operations russia payments republics former ussr russia great problem , many businessmen arrange deals cash taking consideration volume business russia , counted billions , hard imagine much rubles cash businessmen need discussion parliamentary election bill last till mid july baku \( may 22 \) turan according president 's decree , expert group , including representatives parliament presidential apparatus , working new wording constitution republic azerbaijan must adopted milli mejlis parliamentary elections together , work new constitution , would , evidently , adopted new parliament country , going informed work press conference supreme soviet republic day parliamentary legal experts , , representatives department president 's apparatus took part press conference national discussion project parliamentary election law going present according bill n't cause objections noted , , alternative variant election law put forward also informed , parliamentary examine coming proposals till june 10 june 15 proposals generalized submitted discussion milli mejlis 0 isa gambar suggests azeri russian parliament commission circumstances criminal case created baku \( may 22 \) turan chairman mejlis azerbaijan republic , isa gambar , sent return letter chairman russian supreme soviet connection conviction russian servicemen lieutenant v , k , military college supreme court azerbaijan letter , isa gambar suggested commission azerbaijan mejlis deputates par experts russian supreme soviet established clarify circumstances criminal case view , conclusion commission could help objective solving problem , well kind problems future main thing , could help promote knowledge involvement russian servicemen crime turn , connection russian parliament message , mejlis adopted resolution may 19 , according permanent government building legal policy , human rights international relations charged exploration problem 0 trilateral initiative ruined \? baku \( may 22 \) turan turan agency informed , russian representative talks karabakh , vladimir , doubted realization trilateral initiative expressed opinion telephone talk representatives azerbaijan talk declared , case peace process , russia would pursue yeltsin 's initiative statement russian diplomat , one authors trilateral initiative , suggests russian leadership paving way complete exclusion usa probably turkey process statement also mean , russia us achieved understanding bosnian problem , agreed partial us departure transcaucasia 0 fate 645 million tons oil decided summer baku \( may 22 \) turan president azerbaijan state oil company , bagirov , declared recently complete treaty development oil fields , azeri would signed summer known , western oil companies amoco , bp , interest development three richest caspian fields according plan , bp sign complete treaty development field june 16 later amoco sign treaties specialists value total reserves three fields 645 million ton 310 million fall azeri field , 180 ton 150 ton exploitation fields last tens years bring azerbaijan 100 billion dollars revenue addition net economic profit , baku upon political support west defence interests international scene president elchibey said closest may 1993 one difficult periods azerbaijan independence stand tests 0 scientist lawyers russia appealed president azerbaijan baku \( may 22 \) turan press service president azerbaijan informs , today , appeal institute government law russian academy sciences president elchibey received appeal contains call display mercy , humanism death sentences former servicemen russian armed forces authors appeal point , n't justify participation russian servicemen war azeri people , n't call question passed sentence , denounce mercenary according un principals , sorry russian servicemen drawn grave crime end letter , scientists , mentioning soldiers' tears grief , praying day night safety , ask president azerbaijan save guys noticed , unlike lawyers , soldiers' mothers , taking part inquiry , called cause grief russian policy according words , leaders , lay lives russian men achieve political aims , must made answerable unfortunately , appeal n't mention grief mothers azerbaijani soldiers , killed sentenced russian servicemen 0 armenian artillery continues firing azeri districts baku \( may 22 \) turan may 22 , two soldiers national army azerbaijan killed grad shelling villages , , , district republic territory kafan district armenia night morning may 22 , villages , districts azerbaijan fire territory armenia situation district azerbaijan became complicated may 21 , enemy fired regional centre village transportation man power military equipment district progress according reports enemy setting new weapon fire regional centre near villages according ministry internal affairs , concentration man power military equipment observed district armenia borders azerbaijan well frontier fizuli district azeri prime minister leaving great britain baku \( may 22 \) turan minister foreign economic relations , , interview turan agency said , great britain biggest foreign economic partner azerbaijan iran business cooperation two countries develops spheres oil industry , manufacture oil extraction equipment , communication agriculture according minister 's words , forthcoming visit azerbaijani prime minister , , great britain may 23 24 , important expected , visit help , solve problems opening azerbaijan branch offices british banks , insurance firms conclude contracts sphere manufacture agricultural equipment building azerbaijan shore oil platforms , reconstruction entire communication system azerbaijan 's view , expansion cooperation great britain great political meaning azerbaijan according politicians reviewers baku , present , great britain european state close azerbaijan continuation economic political cooperation two states foreseen u r n n e w g e n c baku azerbaijan phone \( \) 66 66 fax \( \) 66 telex meta su serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
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maridai comm mot com subject bernadette dates lines 58 jek cu nih gov writes joe moore writes mary time appeared girl named bernadette lourdes referred immaculate conception since nine year old would way knowing doctrine , apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine bernadette 14 years old visions , 1858 , four years dogma officially proclaimed pope , james kiefer forgot exactly age remember clearly born family poverty education , whatsoever , age apparitions suffered asthma age family living prison cell sort ask several times apparitions name since confessor priest asked several instances , priest get answer since bernadette receive one time , several apparitions passed , lady finally said , immaculate conception , bernadette , happy repeated words mind forget told priest asking , told priest , priest shocked asked bernadette , know talking \? bernadette know exactly meant happy answer priest priest continued , remember know \? bernadette answered honestly repeat mind way priest priest knew dogma four years old bernadette know yet answer priest finally observed took proof authentic personal revelation lady bernadette \( note lady lourdes shrine spring water lady requested bernadette dig bare hands front pilgrims start little water flowed several years water flowing \) marida spreading god 's words actions mother teresa marida \( maridai ecs comm mot com \)
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csb1 engr uark edu \( chris bray \) subject classic 80 's rock tapes sale ! ! ! x received usenet pa dec com id sat , 24 apr 93 11 44 35 0700 x received inet gw 2 pa dec com id sat , 24 apr 93 11 43 38 0700 x received engr engr uark edu \( 1 28 1 2 \) id sat , 24 apr 93 13 41 cdt x mailer mail user 's shell \( 7 2 4 2 2 92 \) x alt rock n roll , rec music marketplace usenet , misc forsale usenet lines 62 hi still tapes left 2 50 \( postage paid , 1st class \) multiple orders appreciated , necessary package deals welcome thanks chris bray lewis , huey sports contains heart rock roll , heart soul , want new drug , walking thin line , , ! ! ! nervous night contains danced , day day , zombies , nervous night poison look cat dragged 1st tape contains cry tough , wont forget , talk dirty , ! hall oates big bam boom contains touch , possession obsession , ! cellar contains wanted man , round round , ! quiet riot condition critical contains outfield play deep contains say n't , love , love world , ! plant , robert shaken n' stirred contains little little , plus journey raised radio contains girl cant help , suzanne , good , ill alright without , cant night go forever duran duran arena contains something know \? , hungry like wolf , new , wild boys , planet earth , ! best contains big hits plus inxs kick contains , new sensation , devil inside , need tonight , never tear us apart , , ! great tape csb1 engr uark edu chris bray uafhp uark edu university arkansas , think someone decency tell free make someone run potato hand , pretending like 's throwing , call hospitality
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject philosophy quest boldly \? organization u toronto zoology lines 25 article 1993apr30 hemlock cray com bobo thejester cray com \( bob kierski \) writes years decided certain cultures need improvements native americans good example prior attempt , native american culture little crime , , poverty , shall say , overly broad statement particular , referring native american culture existed 1400 , one existed 1800 \? \( simplify things assuming 're talking eastern us rather whole continent \) given radically different cultures , one referring \? encounter life elsewhere , tell live houses , farm land go church sunday \? note pre native americans , east mississippi , things \( well , maybe sunday , organized religions , mention cities governments \) judging native americans tribal culture existed 1800 , might want read account de expedition find pre native american culture , least civilized parts continent , like svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
subject mufti \? meanwhile support genocide bosnians yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york university computer center supersedes cunyvm bitnet lines 40 article hal gnu ai mit edu , steel hal gnu ai mit edu \( nick steel \) says article cunyvm bitnet yaakov kayman yzkcu cunyvm bitnet writes condemn mufti nazi leanings , also condemning similarly genocidal killing innocents , muslim , herzegovina \? hatred bigotry remain , matter practices indeed , like ugly hatred spread kahane , right \? exempt condemnation , allowed hate \? , fool , like hatred one 's sworn enemies , enemies said time mean kill , , innocent men , women children , shown really mean late rabbi never hated anyone merely born par group , \( \) hate would kill anyone comes kill jews recall well rabbi kahane 's words iraqis demonstration want peace \? hand \( holding open hand \) ! n't want peace \? hand \( holding fist \) ! know 'll answer indirectly , n't bother bit keep indirectly \? wonder bother answering likes ! steel \( 's never pissed \) yaakov k \( yzkcu cunyvm cuny edu internet \)
iastate edu \( doug v tran \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 39 's interesting table showing much resources application uses much gives back shut take windows user may 1993 issue application min resource use resource returned gdi user gdi user gold v3 03 10 6 2 14 word windows v2 0b 10 0 5 0 lotus 123 v1 1 13 3 3 2 arts v3 12 7 7 3 1 v3 0 9 1 3 0 corel draw v3 0 10 6 3 0 micro designer v3 1 10 2 2 0 crosstalk v2 0 0 0 0 0 excel v4 0a 11 8 0 0 v1 0 2 2 0 0 image color pro 3 2 0 0 picture publisher v3 1 21 8 0 0 ! executive ed v1 03 0 5 0 0 adobe type manager v2 5 1 0 na na v2 0 1 0 0 0 numbers percentage decreasing order table tells , frequently start exit program n't give back 's resources , continually lose therefore , open programs leave open btw maybe people add list know application watch later , doug
tno nada kth se \( tommy \) subject question laser printers keywords laser , printer nntp posting host alv nada kth se organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 12 sale coming soon , wonder anyone know printers olivetti pg 306 , canon 8r , nec 2 , kyocera laser , , postscript , appletalk interface builtin please reply e mail tommy woman forsake royal institute technology fire , stockholm home acre , tno nada kth se go old grey widow maker
osprey ux4 cso uiuc edu \( lucas adamski \) subject fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon , needed organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 22 article 1993apr26 eye com jesse eye com \( jesse \) writes article cc swin edu au alan saturn cs swin oz au \( alan christiansen \) writes believe algorithms get draw convex polygons much efficient draw concave self intersecting polygons efficiency largely attributed fact simple convex polygons left right edge scan line complex \( figure 8 type polygons \) bit trickier true convex algorithm faster general concave multi outline algorithm , tremendously faster spent awhile implementing optimizing flavors , convex turned 10 faster c \( hp pa risc compiler got inner loop shooting span fast possible , far could tell \) sort game database render known ahead time , made convex definitely way go ok , thanks help everyone ! still n't found quite i'm looking , 've got finals coming soon put hold thanx , lucas
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject jews arab countries \( israeli terrorism \) organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 45 article usenet ins cwru edu cl056 cleveland freenet edu \( hamaza h salah \) writes previous article , yfn ysu edu \( \) says previous article , bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) says many readers know anything jews living arab countries \? many know jews still live countries \? many know circumstances arabic jews leaving homelands \? curious last arab country syria migrated due jewish state economical dilemma ! idea guy means syrian jews allowed leave syria assad promise letting go israel nothing arab countries still small communities left arab countries largest group think comprising perhaps thousand \( lost exact figure maybe someone kind post \) communities left yemen \( went polls yesterday might appear free ish election \) , algeria \( tiny group , couple leftist intellectuals think \) , course syria circumstances departure jews various arab countries controversial cases like iraq want get dispute egypt expelled community outright french north african jews left rather face independence think might encouraged antisemitic acts sure someone else around know sure claims israeli officers spread rumours around algeria jews would welcome probably propaganda would take stupid person realise benefits move france \( \) israel jews israel left rumoured another last year heard nothing guess rumour left except iraq \? joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
mikkot romulus math jyu fi \( mikko tarkiainen \) subject wc 93 results , april 18 nntp posting host romulus math jyu fi organization university jyvaskyla , finland lines 42 article 1993apr21 ericsson se etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) writes ok , try czech republic goaltenders 1 petr briza \( finland somewhere , right \? \) , finland \( look colors mask \) defense 3 leo \? ex jypht , finland , germany excellent defenseman 5 \? , finland 14 jiri kucera \? tappara , finland 19 tomas \? hpk , finland 20 \( finland \? \) jokerit , finland 24 \? hpk , finland 26 jiri dolezal \? jypht , finland , new contract jypht owns player rights czechs \( , dolezal anymore \) good hockey players big surprise selected dolezal dole bad season jypht 's n't make new contract czech , jiri , got fired also lots czechs playing finland darius , igor , , svoboda ,
westes netcom com \( estes \) subject states charges sales tax trade \? organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 11 western states laws charge sales tax difference new car 's price trade 's value \? know california charges full value new vehicle regardless trade california resident , legal buy car state california without also paying california sales tax \? california enforce law requires also pay california sales tax \( top state tax \) \? estes internet westes netcom com
idt unit \( anders \) subject universal phones days \? reply idt unit \( anders \) organization div cs , norwegian institute technology lines 32 article udac uu se , se \( joakim \) writes two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing sweden , '0' first digit digits pushed one position makes dialing \( process converting numbers \) interesting task think connections norway handle dialing btw norway even interesting got system ! need different phones depending country live oslo region one system , rest country another system need different phones depending country live \( almost right \) phones little switch inside , able use norway , numbers phone anders bj division computer science norwegian inst technology , trondheim , norway email idt unit \( internet \) x 400 c prmd unit ou idt
turmoil halcyon com \( tim crowley \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization northwest nexus inc lines 26 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com paull hplabsz hpl hp com \( robert paull \) writes mr nice guy \( rcanders nyx cs du edu \) wrote branch davidians violent planning start violence bd compound assaulted atf bd fire back agreed cease fire allowed atf care wounded bd even released atf agents captured clear release agents allowing atf medical attention bd looking trouble first 've heard bd capturing releasing atf agents info \? rob p filmed day first assault bds clearly allowed batf agents shot wounded leave compound lesson , suppose keep shooting untill pigs dead get fuck dodge never give pig even break ya turmoil halcyon com fuck police ! ! ! !
kim cs indiana edu subject faq \? organization indiana university computer science , bloomington distribution usa lines 4 find \? thanks ,
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject long term space voyanges effect newsgroup \? lines 12 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks know alot people think act long distance space project would much like old explorers , , hunters spent alot time alone , isolated , alone minimal surroundings contacts old arctic antarctic expeditions vote later sci space medicine similar newsgroup fro discussion long term missions space affects humans michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
scheiber sage cc purdue edu \( jennifer scheiber \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization purdue university computing center lines 33 article blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) writes article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? sounds like someone pulling leg one way pregnancy occur intercourse days however also artificial insemination implantation techniques , 're speaking natural acts possible pregnancy occur semen deposited outside vagina \( e \) , 's far get clothes way better go talk biology teacher kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer ! likely hood conception sperm deposited outside vagina \? ie chance j e n n f e r c h e b e r email scheiber sage cc purdue edu school nursing purdue university
tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu \( tom gift \) subject truth starts come distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 9 would someone please post generic addresses congress senate write letters \? us house representatives washington , dc us senate washington , dc
nicho vnet ibm com \( greg stewart nicholls \) subject vandalizing sky reply nicho vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 x x nicho vnet ibm com c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu lines 14 c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu george f krumins writes suggesting minority professional amateur astronomers right dark , uncluttered night sky sorry , wish uncluttered night sky , n't right get , actually rights majority n't agreed give \( process \) 's common misconception born somehow rights sadly true want talk responsibility go power clutter night sky , 's different matter greg nicholls vidi nicho vnet ibm com vici nicho olympus demon co uk veni
asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) subject two beemer questions \( r80gs \) organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 44 hello folks , i'm happy new r80gs range 238 miles 4 8 gallons 's 50 mpg ! ! surprisingly , bike real cruiser expecting something rough 's sweet backroad honey go pretty much anyplace 'd take mountain bike far shaft effect , 's torque effect crankshaft opinion rev sitting still \( moving \) bike twists bit maybe n't ride fast enough get shaft effect , opinion little buffeting wind far greater consequence okay , questions 1 \) recommendations home made fairing \? 'd like keep wind chest , perhaps helmet , comfort highway speeds \( 70 mph \) , yet n't want \( \) screw stability \( b \) block vision much trail riding anybody luck two piece fairings \? 'd like make 2 \) run two lights , standard headlamp plus sidelamp mounted crash bar illumination 's excellent way , full beam coming level motor \( left side \) lamp beam linear get bright streak illumination left right , really picks periphery \( deer lurking , etc \) combined headlamp high see like day 've heard bmw alternators n't crank much need shut sidelamp i'm around dirt low rpm \? 3 \) embarassing i'm trouble starting bike first thing morning invariably flood carbs , go read section paper , starts right zen thing \? 4 \) 's manual says circumstances use gasoline alcohol additives yeah , right folks due keep engine carbs eaten ethanol methanol \? particular brands gas best \? additives \? thanks , b h e b k e dod 88888 asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu '90 kawi 550 zephyr \( erik asphaug \) '86 bmw r80gs u l h e r e r
ilyess bohr concordia ca \( ilyess bdira \) subject upi \( two israelis , four arabs killed gaza keywords international , non usa government , government , fighting , civil rights , social issues , shooting , trouble nntp posting host bohr ece concordia ca organization ece concordia university lines 52 article israel clarinet com clarinews clarinet com \( upi \) writes gaza city , israeli occupied gaza strip \( upi \) palestinian gunmen sunday shot killed two israelis entered gaza buy cheap produce , two arabs assisting elsewhere crowded strip , israeli troops killed 18 month old infant 12 year old boy rock throwing clashes two refugee camps anybody guess title \? , thought clash israelis arabs resulted four deaths one side two drive shooting outside jewish settlement southern gaza prompted prime minister yitzhak rabin warn israelis illegal business occupied territories illegally settled \? sure signals israelis sending , one day willing accept jordan west bank federation , recognize west bank occupied territory \( neither u , honest \) \( details killings omitted , plo , hamas graffiti claim \) israelis entered gaza car driven man hebron , n't tell could israeli spy know later carried easily identified blue license plates arab vehicles west bank israelis enter gaza cars , carry yellow plates , usually stoned burned angry palestinian residents upi shows ugly face usually \? happened year , last year possibly thousands man low get bigoted enough see transmitted , tell something least close truth babies children venture outside homes usually shot killed israeli soldiers army officials said joint operation members plo tied fatah hawks hamas connected brigade , arose anger army 's killing six group past month groups sprayed graffiti walls khan , calling attack act killing comrades
sun rz tu clausthal de \( joerg \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization univ clausthal x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 31 ag russell \( arussell austin ibm com \) wrote company worked previously , received file des encryped person sent , went vaction rather wait two weeks set straight frontal attack one key time took two \( 2 \) days crack file , n't faith des either really good luck fast machine des 2 56 possible keys , two simply convert , expect 2 54 trial encryptions mean case , assuming known plaintext 2 54 2 \( 24 60 60 \) ca must managed encryptions per microsecond ce builds fast des chip manages 2 \( ! \) encryptions per microsecond yes , i'm seriously bothered security des yet though might prefer use triple des idea , use key bits joerg joerg email rz tu clausthal de strasse 55 smtp 139 174 2 10 w clausthal voice \( work \) 49 72 germany voice \( home \) 49 obtain pgp public key , finger sun rz tu clausthal de , email
gt2617c prism gatech edu \( brad smalling \) subject help changing startup logo organization georgia institute technology lines 23 article f 454 fidonet org \( c doelle \) writes brad , procedure used compress bmp file \? would love use bmp files created logo screen thanks chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( 1 106 3333 26 \) n't know specifics compression algorithm , 've used shareware program , paintshop , convert two download ftp cica indiana edu , n't know file called directory \( start looking pub pc win3 try scanning index files \) convert bmp file rle file , load bmp file save select windows bitmap compressed \( rle \? \) whatever , 's fairly intuitive sorry n't details , i'm currently dumb terminal ca n't much researching good luck ! brad smalling jr ee ga tech atlanta , ga gt2617c prism gatech edu
uskmg emoryu1 cc emory edu \( ken \) subject amiga ripem \? reply uskmg unix cc emory edu organization emory university information technology division lines 9 nntp posting host cc emory edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 anyone ported ripem amiga yet anyone working \? emailed responses fine ken , emory university preferred uskmg unix cc emory edu information technology division uucp gatech ! emoryu1 ! uskmg atlanta , ga non domain bitnet uskmg emoryu1 phone \( 404 \) 727 fax \( 404 \) 727
busta enet dec com subject waco survivors 1715 19 april organization digital equipment corporation lines 41 article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article apm hpopdlau pwd hp com , apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) writes path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uknet ! pipex ! uunet ! think com ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! apm apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) article 1993apr19 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes note insufficient emotion amongst five survivors waco debacle , two brits aussie anglo saxon persona really n't lend martyrdom spurious messiah n't see draw conclusion around 20 80 inside buildings british \( one quarter \) two eight \( latest count heard \) survivors british \( one quarter \) anyhow , british n't equate anglo saxon exactly trying say \? fire engines within mile compound \? gun loonies firing vehicles 50mm range 3000 meters crap , phil 50mm \? wrong give clue big 50mm , f 16 fighter aircraft guns used shoot aircraft 50mm gun would somewhere realm might 50 calibre definitely 50mm paul r busta busta enet dec com salem , n h 603 894 make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable
beach csulb edu \( jeff masud \) subject formatting possible \? \? \? organization cal state long beach lines 18 friend mine owns pc said recently got program format disk exceed normal capacity hd disk apparently rewrites driver takes driver something allows get space normal hd floppy disk supposedly gets upto 1 6 megs \( something like \? \) n't program since ca n't use supposed called something like something like question whether possible mac possible due hardware limitations developer friend mine said might possible n't deal aspect field much thanks information contributed steve
scic intel com \( charles \) subject mormon temples organization intel corporation , beaverton , lines 44 dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement resurrection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? footnotes bibles reference verse book tobit tobit septuagint published book called apocrypha bookstore rate , jews christ 's day book story mostly centered around son tobit named tobias young lady , sarah , entered chamber seven brothers succession brothers died chamber marriage tobias entitled sarah wife \( 3 17 \) tobias relative destined tobias beginning \( 6 17 \) tobias took wife able marriage seven husbands would partner heaven eliminate tobias , eighth husband tobit fun interesting story read 's kind mythical romance 's little shorter esther lds also scriptures parallel amplify luke 20 notably doctrines covenants 132 15 16 therefore , man marry wife world , marry word , covenant long world , covenant marriage force dead , world therefore , bound law world therefore , world neither marry given marriage appointed angels heaven , angels servants , minister worthy far , exceeding , eternal weight glory cordially , charles
eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization clearer blir lines 26 nntp posting host 192 42 145 4 article 1993apr21 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes sound describes common older toyota engine ever heard n't know relevance observations oil changes , simply makes noise annoying , mind hear well engine right behind left ear \) think 1 6 mr2 's would describe engine sweet little loud , 2 2 mr2 's ca n't imagine unbiased person paying compliments sounded like ex 's rusty chevy 1 6 would want redline music , 2 2 would short shift would shut new camry 2 2 features balance shafts guess since mr2 getting axe , late anything mystery turbo mr2 2 liters engineers enough integrity prevent abuses also , europe mr2 non turbo also 2 liters usual , american market \( japanese must good \) gets dogs fair , also got turbo , europeans eliot
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject israel apartheid state nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 45 article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes 3 \) decided go back land relatives expelled 2000 years ago , first convert religion , apply law return member jewish nation apply someone whose mother jewish \? i'm sure hope answer ca n't apply law return conversion , 've elected part jewish nation 5 \) change day day converted loose part jewish nation \? moment converted , officially world consider part jewish nation , jewish nation consider member \? suppose father arab suppose born palestine , place part israel suppose father , grandfather well 20 30 generations born place suppose war independence father , scared fighting going , tries take family place secure , among people knows , speak language understands , worship god , suppose place arab country , suppose war new country created father used live , country called israel , country , jews world received people whose family left thet country 200 generation ago recieved granted full citizenship , decided go back father 's land , born 20 30 generations family born , right go back ask recognized way returning 2000 years \? result wars brought arabs jews attempt annihilate israel , arabs lost claim land attacking israel illegal pay price feel sorry palestinians \? yes blame arab nations problems , israel adam schwartz adams robotics berkeley edu
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? distribution na reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 26 kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) writes finally , 'd like point many high obp guys draw walks pitchers afraid throw strike , great eye comes periodically , n't get take , example , mark mcgwire walked 90 times 1993 's potential great example 're talking n't know let 's look happens mcgwire n't walk 75 time made 10 time hit single 5 time hit double 10 time hit homer , 're pitching mcgwire would trade 20 walks 2 homers , 1 double , 2 singles , 15 outs \? would give base get 3 times 4 \? guys like alex cole , career 363 obp even though 's never batting average 300 \( hit 300 227 ab 1990 \) hit single home run yep , 's right , 's never hit homer 916 ab 's end 1992 'd afraid throw strike \? mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com 've never prejudiced sex ! entertained , yes , never prejudiced ! justice dan snow \( walter \)
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject baptism requires faith organization none lines 43 \( aaron bryce cardenas \) writes romans 10 16 17 israelites accepted good news isaiah says , 'lord , believed message \? ' consequently , faith comes hearing message , message heard word christ receive god 's gift faith us hear message gospel faith possible response hearing god 's word preached kids yet spiritually , intellectually , emotionally mature enough respond god 's word hence cannot faith therefore cannot raised baptism new life catholics view effects baptism slightly differently , 's one primary reason baptize babies believe baptism produces change soul baby , quite independently act part baby change baby 's soul gives infant certain capabilities would without baptism since infant use intellect yet , new faculties dormant child gets older , gifts baptism come play ezekiel 18 20 soul sins die son share guilt father , father share guilt son righteousness righteous man credited , wickedness wicked charged read ezekiel 18 , see god n't hold us guilty anyone else 's sins original guilt adam adam given number gifts god chief among catholics call sanctifying grace \( new testament , word used charity \) sin , adam lost grace n't lose , however , lost whole human race lost , could n't pass descendents 's catholics baptize babies original sin , adam lost sanctifying grace descendents christ instituted baptism give back everyone babies punished anything personally simply lacking something need , order enter heaven
subject galileo update 04 29 93 simon otago ac nz \( arch deviant \) organization university otago , dunedin , new zealand nntp posting host otago ac nz lines 11 article kelvin jpl nasa gov , baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) writes 2 april 23 , cruise science memory readout \( mro \) performed magnetometer \( mag \) instrument analysis indicates data received properly correct assuming science instruments buffer acquired data onboard ram , downloaded upon receipt mro command \? simon brady n't need lot fancy hardware university otago virtual reality walkman dunedin , new zealand attitude
acad3 alaska edu subject people become atheists \? organization university alaska fairbanks lines 21 article may 5 02 50 42 1993 athos rutgers edu , fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) writes interested finding people become atheists believed god god conversing groups , 've often sensed anger hostility though n't mean imply atheists angry hostile , seem one motivation giving faith thus , atheism might result broken ness i'm atheist supreme world know 's wonderful incredible love people things everything n't believe god made believe amazing beautiful life world live
sam steamer clam com \( sam mandelbaum \) subject yankee thoughts organization clam associates , cambridge , lines 76 yes everyone seems agreement yankees finally moving right direction finish 500 year maybe even pennent race august however , would take back moves 1 jim abbott trade think abbott person , great pitcher also could win cy young year , wo n't right side yanks infield n't good enough good trade \? jt snow many rookies able step immediately impact far angels \? know 's early , 've seen kid hit , field talk tell going tremendous player yanks kept mattingly , ask \? well 's great yanks taken care remained loyal , 's 10 years older snow n't bat speed back injury 's shame , yankee fan wants see best yankee team , 'd take snow mattingly first yanks also gave two promising snow abbott besides , jean , taylor , wickman , militello , sterling hitchcock , loaded know 26 , much give believe george forced trade believes \( 's right \) abbott big hit ny however , 'd like see yankees build baseball team , amusement show 2 wade boggs live boston like wade lot , career winding would rather see yanks start develop long term solution \( e hensley , russ davis , velarde \? \) besides , wade n't range shame charlie hayes , huh \? 3 spike owen see wade boggs 'd much rather see develop dave silvestri whoever wade spike next infield going raise yankee staff era 1 2 point guys sides careers 4 danny tartabull yes 's put tremendous numbers 's nice think could ever healthy year never expect 120 games max meanwhile , gerald williams playing columbus paul playing left field ! believe led nl outfielders assists last year tartabull poor defensive outfielder i'm basically getting yanks moving right direction ready win pennent year \( gm level \) planning 1994 1995 world series means getting younger players experience majors ready year two i'm afraid stuff george certainly , boggs deal george looks like george planning right mix veterans young players win world series veterans always available added time \( like boston year \) develop young players first , add one two veterans \( yankees case , keep \) let 's us yankee fans hope george n't dismantle terrific job stick company done building yankee organization back one respect i'm really afraid trade whoever takes patch holes today \( relief pitching example \) george must realize yankees rebuilding process still one two years away patience george enjoy future fire bucky trade kids 's baseball hell loyal yankee fans long time ! sam i'm militello millitello mandelbaum
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization department redundancy department lines 63 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes jake bony1 bony com writes article 1993apr25 3411 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes waldo cybernet cse fau edu writes jews suffered wwii , beloved perished tortured suffered humans suffered emotionally , jews many others suffered physically i'm waiting andi tell us african americans start paying compensation white americans suffered slave owners problem language \? said everyone suffered emotionally victims holocaust great many germans , poles others sympathize victims holocaust instead participated enthusiasm killing holocaust n't massacre , n't even killing sport entire industry death german engineers , technicians bureaucrats proudly put best efforts efficient killing machine could devise operate certainly something extraordinary please n't us nazis suffered holocaust n't implying anyone suffered actual victims , waldo wrote jews suffered wwii correct humans suffered implying \? neither implying wrongdoing part jews cause holocaust supposed thank \? pleased minimal common sense \? wrong guys \? regardless one says keep hearing want hear someone writes something simple like jews wwii feel burning need add commentary \? regardless people write , keep trying twist things want hear people similar tendencies extreme form sometimes called historical revisionists something aspire \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
hpcc01 corp hp com \( lee say eng \) subject organization hp corporate notes server lines 12 try sgs , achieve 256 current level \( \) , circuit sgs thomson smart power manual , order code manual 1 best regards , moi , hong email mal hp com hewlett packard malaysia free trade zone , tel 604 830 611 fax 604 , malaysia
kari canberra edu au \( jason wolfgang \) subject problems parallel organization info sci eng , university canberra , australia lines 9 writing program uses parallel port problem need generate interrupt ack line get occur , unable generate interrupts someone suggest may resolve problem thanks
meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) subject h r 711 distribution usa organization n lines 17 article cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes posting text h r 711 amend title 18 , united states code , ensure handguns available persons demonstrated knowledge skill safe use , maintenance , storage 8 \( 1 \) \( 1 \) \( \) individual licensed 9 section may possess handgun 10 date final regulations prescribed pursuant para 11 graph \( 2 \) unless individual issued handgun 12 permit paragraph \( 2 \) note licensing bill , pretending training bill gridlock , mechanism ever succeed slowing growth rate big government
craig ucla edu \( craig \) subject 2 spline fit organization ucla cognitive science program lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host ucla edu anyone know site might 2 spline fit routine useful interpolation \? thanks help , craig craig ucla edu
redin lysator liu se \( magnus redin \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization lysator acs linkoping university lines 69 fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) writes new york times sunday may 9th week review section report group called space marketing atlanta , georgia planning put one mile wide reflective earth orbiting satelite appear large bright moon carry sort advertising editorial times following tuesday realy like idea , would wonderfull see big bright satelite night sky even promise try buy whatever product advertises help project please write space marketing encourage project sadly enough money invest space marketing reached attn mike lawson public relations dept space marketing 1495 rd , suite 600 , ga \( 404 \) 442 space advertisement low earth orbit short term order years orbit decays \( higher orbits last longer \) advertisers certainly aware environmental aspects advertising fred 's argument roughly akin saying 's bad cut trees , n't advertise newspapers think , fred picture space billboard large inflatable structure , filled bio foam instead gas space debris orbits , thus cleaning space environment bringing pause refreshes time large drag coefficient , de orbit safely burning within year embedded foam structure small entry vehicle , burn entry contains electronics propulsion system \( may used \) well space science experiments proposed built high school students advertiser sponsored science advertisers buy time billboard , whose surface made tiny mirrors controlled avionics package avionics reconfigure mirrors reflect different messages different parts globe clever programming allows different languages every country orbital night , mirrors turn perpendicular surface , small lights revealed lights spell messages see ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 men planet earth first set foot upon moon july 1969 , came peace mankind magnus redin lysator academic computer society redin lysator liu se mail magnus redin , gen , 582 51 link ping , sweden phone sweden \( 0 \) 13 \( answering machine \) \( 0 \) 120
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject dirty diesels \? organization university westminster distribution na lines 7 yeah , diesels cleaner petrol powered cars even catalysts fitted ! oh citroen even launched sports diesel car world' probably true assume production purposes \( merc benz prototype runs diesel back around 1968 read ! 200 mph ! ! ! \) shaz
chuan stein u washington edu \( chuan infamous lee \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! article shelley organization university washington , seattle lines 16 nntp posting host stein u washington edu article rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu \( dwayne jacques fontenot \) writes bad nothing happen fbi media done job well want make comment live country long enough , realize media friend govt concerned fact media like jump conclusion facts sure good digging dirt well afterall , like controversial events , course make news chuan chuan infamous lee email chuan stein u washington edu u washington , seattle
stark dwovax enet dec com \( todd stark \) subject krillean photography organization digital equipment corporation lines 52 distribution world nntp posting host dwovax article gap caltech edu , carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) writes article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu , eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \( e story \) writes article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? yup demonstration refer consists placing leaf plates , taking kirlian photograph cut part leaf , put top plate back , take another kirlian photograph see pretty much image cases turns effect n't nearly striking take trouble clean plates photographs seems moisture leaf left place conducts electricity surprise , surprise ! true , 's quite whole story actually people careful methodology also replicated leaf effect ' one influential critics kirlian \( presumably willing entertain hypothesis scientific evidence human aura , electromagnetic otherwise \) , professor electrical engineering london 's city university , past president society psychic research named j ellison years studying method claims , ellison came conclusion photographic images calls figures , ' effect intermittent air around object 's bit complicated wiping plates , ' comes thing end , kirlian much limited value \( \) previously widely thought electrical magnetic fields generated body much small much use without elaborate equipment usually also tracer chemicals kind regards , todd todd stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation \( 215 \) 542 philadelphia , pa usa \( word \) skin living thought oliver wendell holmes , jr
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( greg \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization university waterloo lines 17 article world std com rjk world std com \( robert j kolker \) writes take oath fortress lo matzadah matzadah fall ! zealots holy fuck israel armenia turkey greece croatia serbia bosnia russia germany iran arab world war please allow introduce sympathy i'm man wealth taste devil 've around long , long years stolen many man 's soul , faith remixes
utrc utc com \( bruce winters \) subject warped brake discs '91 taurus l lines 54 nntp posting host 192 19 33 90 organization united technologies research center article 1993apr14 13000 advtech uswest com joe advtech uswest com \( joe thielen \) writes xref rec autos misc consumers newsgroups rec autos , misc consumers path ! ! psinntp ! psinntp ! uunet ! wupost ! zaphod mps ohio state edu ! magnus acs ohio state edu ! csn ! cherokee ! joe joe advtech uswest com \( joe thielen \) subject warped brake discs '91 taurus l message id 1993apr14 13000 advtech uswest com sender news advtech uswest com \( radio free boulder \) nntp posting host advtech uswest com organization u west advanced technologies references 1993apr8 8994 bnr ca 47 140 3 216 1993apr14 ryn dec com date wed , 14 apr 1993 22 58 21 gmt lines 23 article 1993apr14 ryn dec com balsamo stargl enet dec com \( antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \) writes bnr ca \( dana merrill \) subject warped brake discs '91 taurus l anyone else problem \? well , '92 taurus gl apparently still n't fixed problem rotors 've got miles clock i'm getting rotors \( pads \) replaces tonight expense course tony owned ford mustang 4 endless brake problems bad thing kinds problems spent 2 months shop first 2 years owned \( bought new \) got rid , likely buy ford product future thing really ticked ford treated jerks unbelievable ! joe past years owned 3 mustang gts 91 bird sc problem recall bird brake problem ford dealer replaced rotors pads rotors warp 10k miles problem fit finish problems bird 'll never buy ford bruce winters utrc utc com united technologies research center e hartford ct usa
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject planets habitable distribution sci organization texas instruments inc lines 24 1993apr29 1 arc ug eds com steveg arc ug eds com writes article iyd fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes dandridge cole isaac asimov collaborated book titled , habitable planets man \( think \) 1964 available good libraries , inter library loan high school science version original rand study stephen h dole planets man gives harder numbers graphs \( predates michael hart 's \( later \) work continuously habitable zones \) still print available \( loan \) \? remember reading many years ago 's still best thing remember vein insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
uni duesseldorf de \( lannert \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization , heinrich heine universitaet , duesseldorf lines 47 distribution inet nntp posting host lannert rz uni duesseldorf de summary ca n't fool article wcs rainier att com wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) writes serial number 64 bit block , 34 bit filler n't take lot check see correct depends whether filler constant \( makes checking easy , susceptible replay \) , variable \( e g timer , counter , random \) , makes replay harder also make easier inquisitors know 've missed messages , gotten sequence , interesting things sort person might care 'd use secret \( nope , obscure \) cryptographic encoding expand 30 bit serial number 64 bit block redundancy hereby introduced used detect clipper signals public enemy replaced l e block random data course l e block would used encryption user data receiving end correct l e block must processed order chance getting plaintext back might want l e block \( e g xor ing constant pattern \) transmission line restore feeding receiving chip would add encrypted copies block \( perhaps created repeated application encryption algorithm \) regular intervals transmission receiving chip detects mismatch must assume line bad cease work interest protected getting faulty plaintext , know 's like checksum safety \( wo n't famous black box needed actual decryption kept fbi nothing prevents using special boxes redundancy check serial number block consistency checks embedded l e blocks within transmission boxes turn red light soon detect bitstream violates correct protocol n't anyone think use chip fool l e tapping key bet provided much better checks suggested course 's absolutely crucial algorithms \( protocols \) remain secret personally doubt lannert e mail rz uni duesseldorf de pgp 2 2 key via server finger lannert rz uni duesseldorf de oh , 're smith , \? preliminary p , however , sounded p g
bingle cs purdue edu \( richard bingle \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! 1993apr29 102341 13820 comp lancs ac uk organization purdue university lines 89 nntp posting host denali cs purdue edu reply julian comp lancs ac uk 's message thu , 29 apr 1993 10 23 41 gmt article 1993apr29 102341 13820 comp lancs ac uk julian comp lancs ac uk \( julian g self \) writes n't shareware fee suggestion john \? 's individual make choice whether honour part money personally position would exactly thing , john obviously put lot time effort xv n't receive money interesting look change \( \) mind john author file \( early incarnation xv \) reads \( part \) follows whatever want program , though would nice name remained somewhere , may freely modified , distributed , used fill disk space readme file xv 1 00 \( \? \) reads \( part \) follows note like program decide use , please send short email message effect sure mention full name organization sponsors ask us 'what , would handy able come nice long list organizations using code developed grasp lab points , copyright notices appeared copyright 1989 , 1990 university pennsylvania permission use , copy , distribute non commercial purposes , hereby granted without fee , providing copyright notice appear copies copyright notice permission notice appear supporting documentation software may modified purposes , modified versions may distributed software provided without express implied warranty readme file xv 2 00 reads \( part \) follows also , find xv nifty , useful , generally , value , donation \( tax deductable \) would greatly appreciated 10 \( u \) probably fine amount donate folks donate 25 receive nice , bound copy xv manual printed 600 dpi laser printer 'll look lovely mounted looks suggestion \( see julian 's comment \) copyright notices appeared copyright 1989 , 1990 , 1991 , 1992 john bradley university pennsylvania readme xv 3 00 reads \( part \) follows xv shareware personal use may use xv amusement , find nifty , useful , generally cool , value , non deductable donation would greatly appreciated 25 suggested donation , though , course , larger donations quite welcome folks donate 25 receive printed , bound copy xv manual extra charge want one , ask sure specify version xv using ! commercial , government , institutional users must register copies xv , exceedingly reasonable price 25 per workstation x terminal site licenses available wish run xv large number machines contact author details second paragraph says universities must register pay \( potentially \) large sum money copyright notices read copyright 1989 , 1990 , 1991 , 1992 , 1993 john bradley developed upenn 's time equipment \? , grasp lab mentioned , say \? richard bingle bingle cs purdue edu dept computer sciences backbone ! purdue ! bingle purdue university \( 317 \) 494 west lafayette ,
jongsma esseye si com \( ken jongsma \) subject rush read e mail \? reply jongsma si com organization smiths industries distribution inet lines 11 1993apr23 henson cc wwu edu henson cc wwu edu \( sean dean \) writes idea compuserve e mail address compuserve com ken jongsma smiths industries jongsma si com grand rapids , michigan 1041 compuserve com
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject clipper good enough government \? lines 19 stupid wo n't cost companies hoping serve gov't private markets use technology \? would guess wo n't use clipper use stu iiis amoung governmental agencies need talk , ignore clipper , 's secure enough agency department communicating trust \? jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 10 article neat cs toronto edu , cs toronto edu \( pham \) writes anyone notice clinton smiling making jokes press conference \? considering number people killed , seems inappropriate \? , reno , fbi got wanted reminder boss america thugs work government clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
jbell eecom gatech edu \( jb \) subject sony watchman 60 organization computer engineering group , georgia tech , atlanta , ga 30332 0250 distribution usa lines 13 sony b w watchman tv sony b w 2 5 inch tv excellent condition used much , thus selling gets great 60 reception sells new 100 asking 60 small enough \( 3 x6 x2 \) carry around anywhere please e mail jbell eecom gatech edu john bell georgia institute technology school electrical engineering atlanta , ga 30332 0250 e mail jbell eecom gatech edu
athena mit edu \( michele l matthews \) subject line skates sale organization massachusetts institute technology lines 10 distribution mit nntp posting host mit edu need sell two pairs line skates \( n't use \) one size 9 one size 12 less year old used little , generally corridor good condition sell 99 98 \( still boxes , want \) 'd like get 85 obo please respond e mail michele matthews
af774 cleveland freenet edu \( chad cipiti \) subject fractint speedstar 24x organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 17 reply af774 cleveland freenet edu \( chad cipiti \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu i'm still looking fractint drivers new release supports 24bit color mode diamond speedstar 24x 2 , 4 26 million drivers , none work 24x help would appreciated ! thanks ! chad new 1993 sea world ohio chad cipiti shark cipiti bobcat ent ohiou edu encounter make contact af774 cleveland freenet edu
ychen hubcap clemson edu \( eric chen \) subject transformer wanted dead vga monitor organization clemson university , clemson sc lines 8 14 vga monitor id dead due transformer 's failure part would like get rid , pls let know thanks eric
cory berkeley edu \( ray \) subject sale laptop pc , bernoulli drive , scanner , desktop pc summary various pc items sale keywords laptop , portable , scanner , desktop , bernoulli nntp posting host cory berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley distribution usa lines 38 posting friend please respond account ! ! ! interested following , ask rob \( 510 \) 521 laptop pc 1200 386sx 20mhz cpu 4 mb ram 120 mb hard drive vga graphics \( 32 greyscale \) lcd external vga port 3 5 high density floppy drive removable 101 key keyboard external keyboard port 2 serial , 1 parallel 1 expansion ports expansion unit available , 2 full size card slots bernoulli drive 400 dual 20 mb disk drives 20 mb cartridges \( comes 4 disks \) external unit scanner 50 logitech scanman desktop pc 1000 386dx 20mhz cpu 4 mb ram 80 mb hard drive 387 math co processor super vga graphics 101 key keyboard mouse 3 5 high density floppy drive 5 25 high density floppy drive 2 serial , 1 parallel ports
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject lotus 1 2 3 forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 6 extra copy lotus 1 2 3 ver 3 4 dos 'd like get 100 please reply e mail jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) subject trivia question organization software engineering institute lines 12 watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? thanks , carol go pens !
se \( joakim \) subject universal phones days \? organization uppsala university lines 26 nntp posting host abacus se wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) writes article 1rg36hinnsr6 darkstar ucsc edu hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) writes i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing sweden , '0' first digit digits pushed one position makes dialing \( process converting numbers \) interesting task basicly right connections cannot handle dialing would estimate couple bigger town , none cannot handle tone dialing regarding swedish dialing system \( rather system \) , apply btw norway even interesting got system ! need different phones depending country live joakim abacus se
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 23 hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article cunews , superior carleton ca \( mike richardson \) writes lots good points mormons us founding fathers us hardly great religious freedoms least one history read formed opinion left us practice religious freedom practice religious intolerance bzzt thank playing 're confusing pilgrims founding fathers difference 150 years much different culture phill hallam baker phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
b8 b8 ingr com \( randy \) subject help xcleararea keywords , xcleararea organization intergraph lines 30 hi , could please tell errors ways trying update drawable drawable happens pixmap button problem xcleararea \( xtdisplay \( usr 0 \) , xtwindow \( usr 0 \) , 80 , 8 , 40 , 40 , true \) appears work sprintf \( tmp str , r , fun \) \( xtdisplay \( usr 0 \) , 0 , gc , 78 , 10 , tmp str , \( strlen \( tmp str \) \) \) problem new info drawn old info still even pass xcleararea false see clear redraws new info , old info still help please ! ! ! thanks randy b8 ingr com intergraph , huntsville alabama
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 24 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) says article acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes , notice , says arms guns arms zog wants think legitimate possessor nuclear weapons unconstitutional ! much right kilogram two nice weapons grade plutonium cruddy little pointy headed liberal los alamos support right keep bear short range nuclear weapons 's legitimate challenging sport good another liberal converted waco ! dave something realistic , would none bradley vehicle crap somebody talk politics guns offering free nra hurry
mark cda mrs umn edu \( mark van \) subject multi line greeting organization university minnesota morris lines 12 possible xdm put multi line greeting \? , specify thing xresources file \? n't much \( anything \) x books , ca n't look thanks mark van systems software programmer computing services bitnet mark bitnet \( vms \) university minnesota , morris internet mark mrs umn edu \( vms \) morris , mn 1 612 589 mark cda mrs umn edu \( ultrix \) success progressive realization worthwhile goal dream !
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper chip technical summary organization dsi uscrpac lines 10 reason fingers want type probably cause whenever want say probable cause sorry confusion previous message david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
athena mit edu \( lori k \) subject kidney stones organization massachusetts institute technology lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host 008 9 mit edu keywords kidney infection student kidney infection , ought antibiotics kidney infections left cause permanent damage kidneys hospitalized kidney infection ago sick article 1993apr29 ux1 cts eiu edu , cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) writes also , told 300 ! surgery patients ahead cannot surgery august april supposed rest lot drink fluids go classes wonders given medicine plans
cs indiana edu \( tony \) subject 2 peter 1 20 reply cs indiana edu organization computer science , indiana university lines 45 article may 13 02 28 01 1993 geneva rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes one sense , statement another subject private interpretation reliable historians tell lost war , cannot simply interpret away wanted win facts facts go away want otherwise another sense , every statement subject private interpretation , depend brains decide means , whether sufficiently well attested merit assent even statement occurs inspired writing , still decide , using best judgement , whether fact inspired arrogance inescapable fact yes , two senses interpretation , certainly decision accept scripture inspired ultimately rests private opinion however , reading scripture , remember scriptures given god instruction , interpretation matters one god intended example , decide fact john baptist elijah teaches doctrine reincarnation , wrong intended interpretation prophets n't make teaching came god , must accept necessarily means private interpretations must take back seat meaning god intended convey certainly must rely best efforts determine meaning , fact make us recognize private interpretations cannot automatically accepted infallible interpretation god need test spirits see god holy spirit speaks , says thing wo n't tell passage means one thing tell means another two us come conflicting conclusions , ca n't completely right know interpretations reliable church whole agrees scripture means know doctrines trinity , dual nature christ , etc matters private interpretation reason peter goes talk false teachers preferred private interpretation god given teaching apostles private interpretation traditions men , soundly denounced scripture , started tony
gsusgi2 gsu edu \( k \) subject viper car alarms organization georgia state university lines 26 cs uiuc edu \( ronald e garnett \) writes ron viper also sells fancy field disturbance sensor ron supposedly detects people car ron viper system tuned like neighbor 's would n't get sleep damn thing waking every one neighborhood used try ignore alarm , made pact bombard house night time visits phone calls ever awakened thunder storm passed next county stray dog looked car car alarms serious pain ass ! ks p real men n't car radios since exhaust loud hear anyway grin ! k anthropology georgia state university gsu edu
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 19 article tredysvr tredydev unisys com , tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com \( tom albrecht \) wrote article 1993apr20 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes armed teeth christian rely physical weapons defend christian rely faith intelligence faith intelligence tell breaks house night knife kill 2 wallet , 357 considerably persuasive words faith 357 far stronger faith god providing miracle followers interesting , david god , could n't use lightning instead semi automatic rifles \? seems even n't trust cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) subject challenge microsoft supporters lines 20 nntp posting host mc duke edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 brian grier \( bjgrier bnr ca \) wrote computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception none changes fact msw3 1 objectively inferior competition begun learn life masses never choose best option available choose one conditioned think best i'm glad i'm one kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham , nc 27710
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 21 article blaze cs jhu edu , arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) wrote article 1993apr25 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes even though new born innocent , sinful nature surely manifest explicity gets older ah , admit newborns innocent \? cannot say everyone sinner way top get one claim newborn sinner despite committed sins , rather odd would also order sinning 2 month old baby get , ask help jesus somehow find little bit cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
vill edu \( \) subject help panasonic kx 1124 printer organization villanova university lines 17 news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 folks , panasonic kx 1124 \( inherited documentation \) giving problem cant resolve paper light refuses go starts blink ever turn power 2 beeps allow go line green light lit , red paper light also remains lit blink please give references manuals , dont thanking much advance sincerely
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 119 article apr 20 20 07 19 1993 romulus rutgers edu , kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article 1993apr20 8748 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( caifone \) writes certainly hope n't , sir , supposed signify \? prefer person , euphemism heard thankfully , got gender right deviant wow ! another clayton wannabe typical response lack logic define someone normal ok , far define 'normal' , umm define normal prove \( within limits , brings question , limits \? may 's intolerance \) \) 'normal' difficult prove posted must follow means someone without compassion sense justice look went clayton school logic , n't \? disparaging towards political minorities , sexual deviants comprise political minorit astounding lack logic ! wow ! must define say everyone agrees used phrase sexual deviant hell define \? someone something sexually n't \? definition probably mean majority planet know next door neighbour n't like spread wife \? sexual \? know n't like something sexually others may find repulsive \? sex fashion sexual \? please specific , , back claims may go hospital due laughing much clayton 's postings secondly , assume moment phrase means people homosexuals , bisexuals c \( basically everyone n't like \) , think phrase comprise minorit ` \( brackets \? \) non gay groups exist lobby governments fact prove false hence group state political minority therefore political majority \? think really big one try thinking arguments shred self respect , 'd door associate girls indeed self respect find sort would inclined head door account views regarding aberrant behavior known homosexuality , would encourage indeed , would advise let door whack backside way needs airhead \? prove first statement please dates , phone numbers , c logic fails make statements cannot \( probably \) maintain state person \( girl , context \) considers equal rights humans airhead \? clayton \( best mate \? \) would say shows screwed pretty soon find retreating back closet belong n't count , sweetheart oh , ca n't anything count , inevitable , part natural order things throughout history , nature always asserted n't arrogant assume foolish misguided generation change nature man practically every generation failed greater men n't able certainly happen , matter much may wish pretend otherwise proof please proof homosexuality part natural order proof nature always asserted saying nature \? pretending ability see future \? god \( tm \) \? fact , arguement , waiting black people become slaves \? sub human \( nb view \) one time \? arguement falls ass moreover , i'm sweetheart touchy touchy touchy ! right shot holes every one arguements probably going put kill file answers questions challenges since cannot support arguments merely goes show write based upon personal prejudices , cannot taken fact kind await intelligent response views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \? adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject help need 24 bits viewer keywords 24 bit lines 24 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article seti inria fr , deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) writes i'm looking program able display 24 bits images using sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running x11 utah raster toolkit using getx11 convert sun raster files \( presumably \) ppm pbm toolkit convert ppm utah rle format ppmtorle provided toolkit seem remember xloadimage 24 bit servers possibly xwud x window un dump program display 24 bit images certainly xwd grab chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve liu \) subject macintosh weenies suck scsi disks ! ! ! organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 24 distribution usa nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article hawk cs ukans edu hawk cs ukans edu \( unknown class user \) writes think subject title says anybody relies scsi dick pain ass ! ! looks like someone left terminal unattended tttttt eeeee vv vv eeeee tt ee vv vv ee tt eeee vv vv eeee steve liu tt ee vvv ee drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu tt eeeee v eeeee drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu
subject bruins fans \? \? \? kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 26 article 93113 psuvm psu edu , robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes i'm wondering bruins fans \? \? \? mean woofed 1 , 000 , 000 posts regular season saying team going kick everyone 's playoffs win stanley cup see nothing wrong little ranting raving , i'm curious boston faithful stopped posting mean n't even see one little boston fan post , 'cept bruins fans n't cocky well , maybe 're golf course something , n't know , 'd sure like see bruins fans \) robbie po 1993 's streakers comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's pgh penguins see , wait penguins 4 , devils 3 1991 , 1992 stanley possibility , n't see penguins lead , 3 0 cup champions \) strong resemblance dg '89 middle connecticut plenty bruin fans , many let know uncertain terms rangers stretch think bruins exact thing rangers , 're playing tight ! ! 's responsibility check mogilny \? gotten number quality shots goal many rebounds cleared b 's defense 's bad b 's might get opportunity play pittsburgh would really enjoy seeing ulfie get beat neely hate ulfie , would love team ! !
lhighley gozer idbsu edu \( larry paul \) subject info windows help files nntp posting host gozer organization boise state university lines 37 latest help files server winhelp \( \) function , told ms , search path ms windows helpfiles wo n't problem long include path move , however , application hardcoded path code winhelp invoked searches given path \( e winhelp \( , c amipro \) example \) winhelp search path instead looks directory installed software tested variety software packages moved helpfiles drive z included path statement results different software packages norton desktop found helpfiles windows v3 1 workgroups found helpfiles windows v3 1 found helpfiles ms v3 0 found helpfiles ms word found helpfiles ms excel v4 0a find helpfiles \( strange \) ms foxpro v2 5 windows found helpfiles lotus amipro v3 0 find helpfiles procomm plus windows find helpfiles guess better nothing would make sense able specify global path helpfiles anyone comments help anyone left something please let know lhighley gozer idbsu edu thanks help everyone especially jagrant emr1 emr ca info topic develops
oasys dt navy mil \( andrew kilpatrick \) subject want tickets ! reply oasys dt navy mil \( andrew kilpatrick \) distribution usa organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 14 want star tickets anyone know get \? public sale sold \? work company anyway answers would appreciated please e mail thanks , andrew
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject dreams body incidents organization university georgia , athens lines 44 article may 11 02 37 40 1993 athos rutgers edu dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) writes 'd like get comments question mind lot morals ethics apply dreams body incidents \? normal dreams , ca n't control anything , obviously n't morally responsible actions contrive control action dreams oobe , seems like morality applies think someone often immoral dreams , like dreams , dreams commit acts violence , etc etc may sign something sinful heart may holy spirit 's way allowing sinfulness us come light pray removed generally , one pure heart , sets mind things holy , holy even dreams dreams also lord joseph two examples people bible received dreams lord regarding body experiences , something careful called oobe spiritual nature , especially one saw experience witnessed someone else christians certainly avoid occult activity would generate body experience things might called oobe might actually lord paul wrote might oobe ii corinthians 12 , wrote spiritual experience caught third heaven oobe truely oobe \? one really leave body , seeing image shown spirit , demon holy spirit \? n't think matters much paul could tell may , careful open satan experience oobe 's meditate pretend place spirits apparently float dangerous god wants us seems like oobe , sovereign bible , often seems prophets taken god 's sovereign , seeking oobe john spirit praying lord 's day caught visions received talking jewish leaders caught visions god one time god wants take one us vision , people careful open evil spirits sake link hudson
lc cs rmit oz au \( leon \) subject 2 silver solder organization comp sci , rmit , melbourne , australia lines 21 article shiekh trieste \( andy shiekh \) writes seen existance electronics solder 2 silver content seems good wetting anyone tell used \? \( silver expensive metal \) management electronics assembly \( ian \) talking 63 37 tin lead alloy point occasionally , impurities may added solder , vary within soldering process attempt improve performance example , addition small quantities copper reduce amount solder moves stress solid particular applications additions impurities may warranted , general , best keep solder used soldering process pure possible guess good oil commercial operations , n't mention anything esoteric leon
\( terje \) subject 0 shareware organization interesting place lines 11 hello last issue electronics world describes ranger 2 0 pcb cad program according article crippled version available shareware , anybody know ftp sites bbses program may found \? thanks advance terje
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject tank found \? organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 15 much dispute origin fire destroyed bd compound could settled examining propane tank supposedly crushed one army tanks breached walls compound propane tank flattened tread marks , bd 's version cause fire would seem verified dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com u government become garrotte around necks citizens garrotte , people struggle breathe air freedom , government tightens stranglehold possible outcomes point death government elimination personal freedom
cray com \( greg titus \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days lines 20 nntp posting host hemlock organization cray research , inc article 1993apr27 samba oit unc edu bruce scott launchpad unc edu \( bruce scott \) writes boosting hst carrying shuttle would damage , could n't hst brought back earth repair job done \? i'm sure big issue , seems like might till , 1g forces applied mirror mounting \( nearly 1g forces \) applied along telescope 's optical axis , mirror 's base reentry would apply forces along roughly axis , tending pull mirror away mount , landing would apply edge forces mirror mount could one would survive greg greg titus \( zia cray com \) compiler group cray research , inc santa fe , nm opinions expressed herein \( \) purely
com \( \) subject tvtwm icon manager organization unisys open systems group , san jose lines 22 article risky com , com \( \) writes keywords tvtwm icon manager need help resource bindings tvtwm 's 'd like see icon manager say window shows icon list pan another section virtual desktop try window \( sp \? \) earlier , 'd like window current region resources use \? important , \? rather find painful remember iconified window , go back simply , pain pan around get window thanks , com opened distribution
jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) subject changing brake fluid necessary organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca lines 10 agree jeff 's reply 've never changed brake fluid except brake job , usually around 80 , 000 miles \( alot freeway driving \) however , start preventative maintenance new car also , brake system flushing agents used problem agent left system , cause problems , 's recommended use unless 100 certain remove flushing agent info , quoted price labor 29 95 fluid 9 95 flushing brake system conjunction break job n't know without brake job f bay area
gpivar maestro mitre org \( greg \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host maestro mitre org reply gpivar mitre org \( emporium \) organization mitre corporation , mclean , va lines 27 article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes think 's correct spelling looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures i'm thinking education suppliers schools might appartus sale , n't know companies info greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps bill oz bill , flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg still , silent rest easy
rtsg mot com \( eric \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows nntp posting host organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 16 pm860605 longs lance colostate edu \( peter j mckinney \) writes price pc xview dos 445 00 1 1780 00 5 ncd announced new generation pc xview changed name little though ca n't remember exactly pc supports windows press release implies since 's still priced 500 range 's feature full buy anything else \? \( disclaimer direct quote literature , think sums also , never used product \)
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khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale 2 x 1meg \( 70ns \) simms macintosh organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 5 nntp posting host aludra usc edu sale 2 \( two \) x 1 meg \( 70ns \) simms macintosh aka interested , please email offer khoh usc edu
watson sce carleton ca \( stephen watson \) subject koresh doctrine 4 4 organization carleton university lines 64 f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes article watson mariner sce carleton ca , watson sce carleton ca \( stephen watson \) writes question seem fundamentalists \( stephen tice , cotera , joe gaut , et al \) \( apologies 've , 've started reading r since bd disaster know cotera fundy \) defending koresh beliefs example true christianity persecution big bad secular state opinion reported sexual habits \? reports accurate , say quality christianity \? allegations part big cover \? thank , steve refreshing someone accuse christian hope enough evidence get conviction certain mean fundy part term fundamentalist wide variety uses refer use refer christians take conservative approach bible , distinct liberals actually believe jesus messiah son god wish follow way , plead guilty would use word christian \( unqualified \) describe someone definition applied btw , applies deletia joe gaut indicates interest bd disaster civil liberties issue , attempt justify koresh 's beliefs practices agree joe group wants believe whatever god invisible pink unicorns go live together group sex , sex , sex leaders \( children \) , , much might believe misguided , think legal right hope investigation start determining whether feds legitimate reason going koresh first place \( moving consider wisdom various tactics used \) joe goes dispute child abuse allegations 'll \( \) accept , unless someone evidence support allegations \? actually n't thinking \( alleged \) child abuse , reports sex , fathered children , several women cult agree legal matter consenting adults stephen tice seems defending koresh 's beliefs practices specifically christian perspective , civil liberties perspective think question really aimed joe \( possibly ray cote either , seems also taking political angle \) , stephen tice steve watson k watson sce carleton ca carleton university , ontario opinion opinion assert \( opinion ! opinion \) somebody touched making everything new burned life like bolt blue somebody touched know bruce
allegra att com \( van kelly \) subject hate sin organization bell laboratories , murray hill , nj , usa lines 54 scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , question whether statement consistent christianity would think hate begets hate , never love summary law , christ commands us love god love neighbors n't say anything hate fact , anything , commands us save criticisms scott dislike phrase hate sin , love sinner maybe definite article also part problem , since seems give us license fixate brother 's peculiar managed escape common grace , economic situation , culture outrage evil often cheap shot said , n't think scott adequately explored flip side coin , namely love righteousness , jesus blessed righteousness new testament , never enough behave well , one always actively desire work cause good sense , impossible remain evil victims , even well maybe mourn sin , love sinners catches idea slightly better hate , slightly , since grief usually implies passive powerless position balanced christian response needs grief , love , carefully measured , constructive anger jesus three european wwii whose response nazi atrocities devoid anger fare well role models , however much love grief sister new york christian years back , jack , long time professional friend benefactor , died aids , impoverished medical bills , family , abandoned surviving friends sister brother law end grief jack 's death , sister found quite targets anger callous , rigid self protective jack 's family , inertia response aids , , yes , even jack 's lapse morality eventually cost life jack shared last anger brought strong christian values , brief promiscuous sex long aids appeared \( imply moral judgement jack 's innate sexual orientation , n b \) maybe hardest job making anger constructive van kelly research att com
cmk athena mit edu \( charles kozierok \) subject bosox go smoke ii \( seattle 7 0 \) organization massachusetts institute technology lines 11 nntp posting host electric monk mit edu article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes dietz parody data io com \( kent dietz \) writes oh , yea , chris bosio pitched hitter one minimum , two ever hitters mariner history \? randy johnson , june 2 , 1990 tigers charles
gchin ssf eng sun com \( gary chin \) subject homosexuality issues christianity reply gchin ssf eng sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 27 article athos rutgers edu , mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) writes homosexual christians indeed checked verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues would seem need careful spirit led course exegesis gay christians know suggest stop proof things know nothing let say life , death , resurrection jesus christ central christianity personally believe jesus christ died , part christian body believers still human n't know , homosexual heterosexual , strive follow jesus world dying needs hear jesus christ working together christians spread gospel \? gary chin staff engineer sun microsystems mt view , ca gchin eng sun com
microsoft com \( chip switzer \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 26 article larry peak psl nmsu edu larry peak psl nmsu edu wrote 21 apr 93 11 28 57 0800 , yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc com said ah yes , see liberal weenies come woodwork defend burning children probably drooled watching tv coverage probably like nazi germany , well oh yeah , atf fbi claims , according media , survivors number seems vary minute minute yodicet yodicet yodicet hmm n't say , appears n't well , think 's something mean post responded \( \) pretty much speak chip switzer witty saying proves nothing microsoft com voltaire
simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) subject americans evolution , free 's razor inside nntp posting host nin organization department computer science , warwick university , england lines 386 sorry delay responding , due conference paper deadline panic article senator bedfellow mit edu bobs thnext mit edu \( robert singleton \) writes article 1993apr18 dcs warwick ac uk simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) writes alarming amounts agreement deleted \) made statement razor experiences physics thanks info baysian statistics interesting n't know follow proof , one questions two hypotheses h hg latter complicated , definition means p \( h \) p \( hg \) \( complicated \) n't fact p \( h \) p \( hg \) comes 's way around 's p \( h \) p \( hg \) p \( \) g' complement g axiom , p \( anything \) 0 , p \( \) 0 , p \( h \) p \( hg \) sense , hg necessarily complicated h h g , may splitting hairs , i'm trying say irrespective subjective impressions complicated something , p \( h \) p \( hg \) holds , equality p \( \) 0 point , 's simple matter show p \( x h \) p \( x hg \) p \( h x \) p \( hg x \) , thus h hg say h consistent data hg say p \( x h \) p \( x hg \) elaborate well , p \( x \) p \( x b \) means x likely observed operative b operative implies observing x provide useful information might allow us discriminate respective possibilities b operative difference reduces difference \( unknown \) prior probabilities p \( \) p \( b \) p \( x \) p \( x b \) p \( x \) k p \( \) , p \( b x \) k p \( b \) k p \( x \) p \( x \) p \( x b \) p \( x \) b equally consistent data observing x n't give pointers b operative particular case h b hg , however , know prior probabilities ordered p \( h \) p \( hg \) , although n't know actual values , 's allows us deploy razor throw hg also , real world n't clear cut dry seems ca n't always determine whether equality p \( x h \) p \( x hg \) true 's certainly true , particular point whether `divine component' actually underlies prevalence religion addition memetic transmission component , even religious implicitly acknowledge operative talk seems , 've said , observed variance religious belief well accounted memetic transmission model , rather less well one proposes `divine component' addition , since would expect latter wide variance even mutual exclusion among beliefs thus personal feeling p \( x hg \) n't even equal p \( x h \) case , smaller \( h memetic transmission , g `divine component' , x variance among beliefs \) happily acknowledge subjective impression btw , beef baysian argument mathematical one checked work n't find error seem careful probably n't math mistake think mistake philosophical make sure understand , please rephrase non technical terms \? think reasonable request always try look ways explaining physics non physicist i'm baysian \( type \) , would helpful i'm either , idea theism atheism compatible \( read \) observations date however , theism \( type concerned \) also suggests , instance , prayer may answered , people may miraculously healed \( principle amenable statistical verification \) god may generally intervene measurable ways means regions space possible observations , loosely termed appearances god , probability theistic hypothesis zero atheistic since much probability available hypothesis scatter around observation space , probability theism making appearances god possible must come somewhere else \( e possible observations \) else equal , means observation n't appearance god must slightly higher probability atheism theism stuff implies observations must cause running estimate probability atheistic hypothesis increase , corresponding decrease running estimate probability theistic hypothesis sorry 's still bit , 's rather difficult put way , since depend intimately properties conditional probability densities , particularly total area always unity analogy may \( may \) helpful say hypothesis coin fair , b coin unfair \( two headed \) \( 've used b avoid confusion h heads tails \) p \( h \) 0 5 total 1 p \( \) 0 5 p \( h b \) 1 total 1 p \( b \) 0 observations string heads , tails compatible fair coin \( \) two headed coin \( b \) however , probability expended making possible appearance tails \( even though n't actually appear \) must come somewhere else , since total must unity , comes case probability appearance heads say running estimates time n 1 e n 1 \( \) e n 1 \( b \) observation x n time n another head , x n h estimates modified according p \( h \) e n \( \) e n 1 \( \) e n 1 \( \) p \( h \) p \( h b \) e n \( b \) e n 1 \( b \) e n 1 \( b \) 2m p \( h \) n't know p \( h \) , actual prior probability head , multiplier e \( \) half e \( b \) true every time coin tossed head observed thus whatever initial values estimates , n heads , n e n \( \) e 0 \( \) n e n \( b \) \( 2m \) e 0 \( b \) , since e k \( \) e k \( b \) 1 time k , show 0 5 1 thus 1 2m 2 hence estimate fair coin hypothesis must decrease trial two headed coin hypothesis b must increase , even though hypotheses compatible string heads loose analogy unfair coin atheism , fair coin theism , observations consistent tail , would falsify unfair coin , analogous appearance god , would falsify atheism claiming analogy extends numerical values various probabilities , principle constant observation evidence gods , evidence possible respective theisms , constantly increases estimated probability n't exist , 's important draw distinction theism could supported supported evidence theism ca n't given theism evidence principle possible , n't make sense say lack evidence supports contrary view quite , type theism might call g hg , terms 's razor discussion , 'd bin grounds depends upon conception god 's conception like zeus , happened come earth play quite frequently , agree lack evidence conception god evidence exist conception god one make falsifiable predictions \( see falsifiable predictions \) , disagree lack evidence support disbelief hypotheses n't falsifiable , indeed , theism n't falsifiable used phrase given specific 'x' theism make prediction p \( x ht \) 0 's used word theism makes predictions specific event say believe god happens , believe god given 'x' never , priori , say p \( x ht \) 0 even say set 'x' 'x' n't like use probability also way assigning probabilities hold science criteria someone cannot tell measure , even principle , p \( x h \) , probability applicable hypothesis h case h ht \( theistic \) ha \( atheistic \) example , p \( x ha \) p \( x ha \) p \( ha \) p \( ha \) \? ! \? measure \? n't n't need , analogy , know prior probabilities deduce updating multiplier fair coin hypothesis less unity , corresponding multiplier two headed coin hypothesis greater unity n't need know initial values running estimates either 's clear large number observations , p \( fair coin \) approaches zero p \( two headed coin \) approaches unity need know whether p \( x ha \) larger p \( x ht \) observed x , follows assumptions certain events rendered possible \( necessary \) ht possible ha , else equal baysian statistics relies upon series observations hypothesis n't amenable observation \? even statements amenable observation , observations relevant sequence observations must chosen care i'm curious know types observations x 1 , x 2 , mind concerning theism atheism observations like really n't matter , affect reasoning , provided possible observations would count appearances god examples might demonstration efficacy prayer , veracity revelation statement p \( x h \) general x still counts prediction h theism question , ht , says prayer may answered , miracles may happen \( see interpretation , quoted , means \) , prediction , p \( x ht \) 0 x 's distinguishes atheist hypothesis ha , predicts stuff happen , p \( x ha \) 0 x theism make claim p \( x ht \) 0 x say theism n't maybe quick say common language said existence god mean notion deity described bible christians interact universe claimed agents agreed however , must careful believe i'm making claims maybe changed important shift emphasis way , since belief , cannot conclude p \( x ht \) 0 x ok , 'll downgrade interact may interact , would actually better since interact implies agree misplaced n't think theism makes predictions maybe i'm understanding mean prediction could explain mean word \? 'll explain , bear mind n't central require theism make prediction appearances god never happen , atheism \( somebody points quantum mechanics n't make prediction either , difference qm atheism form partition \) predictions include statements prayer \( implying stats , find prayer \) , prayer , verily say unto , generation shall pass , till things fulfilled n't think problems misunderstanding persistent observation stuff happening , consistent ht though may , consistent ha , explained stats post even ht \( god exists \) unfalsifiable , 's problem argument , let number observations go infinity falsify btw , consider argument requires infinite number observations valid rather part argument valid , existing humans , never make infinite number conclusion n't accept valid 's fine n't claim theism false , merely finite number observations available far suggest , continue observe , suggestion looks better better stuff deleted stats post , assumed theism indeed unfalsifiable finite number observations 's relevant quote important assumption observations compatible theist hypothesis atheist hypothesis , thus would falsify atheism called god s' , need taken literally observation requires explanation one gods exist count observations assumed compatible hypotheses leaves theism unfalsifiable , atheism falsifiable single observation god s' problem something falsifiable must make prediction 'x' seen 'x' seen hypothesis falsified , atheism word something theism theism belief atheism disbelief certain certainly falsifiable certain theisms \( e g theism asserts world 6 , 000 years old god falsified \) however , atheism unfalsifiable theism also unfalsifiable could wrong statment think appearance god sufficient falsify atheism , whereas general corresponding theism unfalsifiable 'll think , general question x unfalsifiable \( x \) also unfalsifiable \? way counterexample , let x coin fair , accurately \( \( x \) makes sense \) two sides coin different unfalsifiable tossing coin even string heads consistent fair coin , go infinite number falsify x limit converse falsifiable , falsified least one head least one tail appeared partly 's wrong baysian argument requires observations x 1 x n made simply observations truth value relation statement god exists , use symmetry argument , understand someone would say since statement 'god makes predictions choose believe none less would founded type faith n't like word faith insert belief falsifiable evidence instead 'll assume meant highlight agreed definition exists , statement makes predictions said , although n't falsifiable finite number observations actually , mean 'god makes predictions oops sorry mea culpa truth statment actually depends upon god refering think conceptions god true i'm open could wrong give examples predictions statment god exist one think true , would healing principle never determined one way cases people seem recover healed without help doctor known reason situations fact happen consistent theistic hypothesis , way support hypothesis agree inconsistent atheistic hypothesis ca n't think one prediction 'god n't type might missing something rapture happen october 28 1992 said rapture would falsified atheism satisfaction happened , although failure happen , course , falsify theisms specifically predicted phenomenon requires existence one gods explanation ever observed sums whole thing bob singleton bobs thnext mit edu cheers simon simon clippingdale simon dcs warwick ac uk department computer science tel \( 44 \) 203 523296 university warwick fax \( 44 \) 203 525714 coventry cv4 7al , u k
bing zinc cchem berkeley edu \( bing ho \) subject v fast 's taking long \? \? \? \? organization uc berkeley lines 18 nntp posting host zinc cchem berkeley edu article 1993apr22 ns1 cc lehigh edu ry01 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert yung \) writes going take year v fast become standard \? technical problems work , bureaucratic slowdown \? thanks ! n't even get hyped still accepting submissions members various proposals implement standard n't seem realize v32bis extension v32 \( took years pass , implement , finally sell reasonable price \) , v fast requires new technology \( faster dsp chips , etc \) achieve performance wait next spring final modems coming shortly bing ho bing zinc cchem berkeley edu university california berkeley
rainer sun3 eeam elin co \( rainer hochreiter \) subject x server organization elin energeanwendung ges b h lines 12 nntp posting host sun3 eeam elin co x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 get documentation x server internals \? btw , i'm also interested documentation tiga hints welcome thanks , rainer rainer hochreiter telephone 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3961 elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3387 penzingerstr 76 1141 wien , austria europe e mail rainer elin co
pat nick csh rit edu \( pat \( jedi training \) \) subject 3 widget wish list \? keywords 3 widget , manipulation , feedback , user interface design system nntp posting host nick csh rit edu organization computer science house rit lines 16 'd like see generic n dimensional widget set realize , would n't whole shitload people 'd want 3 , stop \? need widget n showing different 3 2 slices stuff alter , pat pat csh rit edu ritvax rit edu spectrum xerox com objects , invisible , non physical , otherwise non fuck cat !
nelson sun soe clarkson edu \( russ nelson \) subject proposal alt fan tesla organization clarkson university , ny lines 4 nntp posting host cheetah ece clarkson edu discussion nikolai tesla \( else \? \? \) russ nelson sun soe clarkson edu businesses persuade governments force
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? fr7 usenet ins cwru edu 1993apr23 telxon mis telxon com organization ibm toronto lab lines 41 reply joes telxon mis telxon com 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 17 28 24 gmt article 1993apr23 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) writes newsgroups rec autos path eclipse ! yktnews watson ibm com ! newsgate watson ibm com ! news ans net ! howland reston ans net ! newsserver jvnc net ! louie ! udel ! news intercon com ! psinntp ! telxon mis telxon com ! joes joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) organization telxon corporation references apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu 1993apr23 cs tulane edu fr7 usenet ins cwru edu date fri , 23 apr 1993 17 28 24 gmt lines 30 article fr7 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes previous article , finnegan nrlssc navy mil \( \) says article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) drew 've always heard referred horizontally opposed joe kinda dull 've always liked subarus use , 911 bmw twins \( 's motorcycle 2 many wheels \) jeff goss
joel cray com \( joel \) subject vs lopid vs \? nntp posting host equalizer organization cray research inc , san diego ca , usa lines 26 used lopid good job reducing cholesterol \( 295 around 214 \) , well ldl , got pneumonia , reason , lopid stopped working well cholesterol levels might stabilized time , new doctor quit , wait month , switch , total cholesterol 207 , ldl 108 , hdl 35 trig 's still high , around 318 , liver tests came back slightly abnormal , 83 \( n 1 35 \) , \( \? hard read copy \) 42 \( n 0 35 \) said liver numbers enough cause concern , important cholesterol figures stop allow liver heal \( extra cautious , though i'm sure 's problem \) , wants go back suggested maybe lopid might better choice , said would n't object 's want lopid one particular side effect i'm fond liver trig figures feared \? happens folks high trig levels \? liver danger results \? would better lopid , despite inconvenient side effect , , perhaps , drug \? \( niacin affected liver , \)
dhesi rahul net \( rahul dhesi \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network distribution na lines 20 2109 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes come media telling provisions clipper decision \? bulk people informed , media refuses \? answer second question lies way phrased first one 'the media ' n't media means one medium ' thousands publications say , say bulk people informed , wo n't read informative publications \? rahul dhesi dhesi rahul net also dhesi cirrus com
jumbo read tasc com \( james mcnamara \) subject 2 monitors windows article jumbo organization tasc lines 15 nntp posting host jumbo read tasc com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 \( zen et tudelft nl \) wrote julio uucp \( julio \) writes anyone know whether possible 2 monitors working microsoft windows 3 1 \? multi vision 550 nec may work using vga hercules card one system , using two vga cards one system never work believe two 8514 \( 8514 \? \) may used tandem one system one exception vga mono dual monitor combo heard anybody done \? jim mc james mcnamara , member technical staff , tasc 55 brook drive reading , 617 942
avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) subject powerbook duo memory system slow organization dso , stanford university lines 54 article dartvax dartmouth edu espen h dartmouth edu \( espen h \) writes article 1993apr23 leland stanford edu avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) writes hi hardware gurus know kind memory architecture apple uses powerbook duos \? powerbook general \? factors make duo 210 slow compared desktop machine running processor speed \( 25mhz 68030 \) \? many wait states memory system , etc \? kind data bus use \? 32 bit 16 bit \? huh \? get idea \? think got backwards duo 's memory faster equivalent desktop machine 5 10 \( rest \) think explanation refresh faster \( 2 instead 5 cycles believe \) things could affect performance would factors use functions enhanced fpu \( duo n't \) extensions background applications slow computer real life differences speed likely influence software running , kind screen depth running etc espen ps ! duo 32 bit thanks enlightening post technical note \? desktop machine referring actually mac , rather , various workstations use 68030 25mhz , old suns old used next 68030 cube try rebooting without extensions see kind speed difference get powerbook duo notice extreme slowdown mac plus installing system 7 os suck much cpu power \? also , 're right software make huge difference misfortune using ms works duo editing relatively small \( 40k \) files , cut copy takes several seconds , often 6 seconds ! ! happens power cycling turned usual , ms software infested feces i'm getting replace text editing avery
flute calpoly edu \( michael jacques \) subject rush read e mail \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo distribution inet lines 19 article 1993apr26 esseye si com jongsma si com writes 1993apr23 henson cc wwu edu henson cc wwu edu \( sean dean \) writes idea compuserve e mail address compuserve com however , said radio show today wo n't read anything two alt groups simply deletes without reading says people two groups vicious ken jongsma smiths industries jongsma si com grand rapids , michigan 1041 compuserve com
mahan tgv com \( patrick l mahan \) subject remote x across tcpip decnet organization internet lines 23 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu , wcsub ctstateu edu anyone know following possible , go want able display remote x11 applications 2000 internet node problem comes , n't connected directly internet connected via decnet node connection internet anyone know possible get display use tcpip remote internet node local internet node send via decnet 2000 \? machine connected internet , running \? running vms , obtain , comes tcp ip decnet gateway x11 patrick l mahan tgv window washer mahan tgv com waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime first offense , notebooks lazarus long
organization penn state university andrew newell tan102 psuvm psu edu subject go hell ! ! ! 1993apr16 ncsu edu 1993apr21 wam umd edu lines 38 article 1993apr21 wam umd edu , wam umd edu \( william david battles \) says article 1993apr16 ncsu edu aiken news ncsu edu \( wayne nmi aiken \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu wrote blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! e b prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! someone leave terminal unattended \? probably ! jesus freak 's post probably jsn104 psuvm penn state loaded bible bangers use go vomit reason left even group try stop playing rock music dining halls one year cuz deemed satanic people run damn place part except liberal arts departments safe havens sounds like going different penn state something vocal , really little power get anything done sometimes seems like lot 're generally vocal opposition , really n't many liberals tend keep help , since really want allowed go lives way want n't hear bible bangers stand want everyone forced live according bible banger rules certainly n't run place 'd say 've got rather average mix people much like rest u like everywhere else , factions louder others andrew
mcb mach eng hou compaq com \( mike \) subject monitors nanao \? organization compaq computer corp lines 12 use nanao 20 multisync switch windows 1024x768 sparc 1 display works quite well resolutions michael c unix system support system engineer , sr design environment automation compaq computer corporation internet mcb compaq com p box uunet uunet ! cpqhou ! houston , texas , usa 2000 phone 713 374 texas speed bumps views opinions mine alone
watson sce carleton ca \( stephen watson \) subject koresh doctrine 4 4 organization carleton university lines 26 question seem fundamentalists \( stephen tice , cotera , joe gaut , et al \) \( apologies 've , 've started reading r since bd disaster know cotera fundy \) defending koresh beliefs example true christianity persecution big bad secular state opinion reported sexual habits \? reports accurate , say quality christianity \? allegations part big cover \? \( remain deliberately neutral cause fire would n't put past koresh torched place hand , propane tank accident story correct , would n't put past fbi try cover ass claiming koresh hope government thorough investigation whole debacle , 'll disappointed heads n't roll authorities seem botched original raid , matter fire , guilty either serious , reckless endangerment \) steve watson k watson sce carleton ca carleton university , ontario opinion opinion assert \( opinion ! opinion \) somebody touched making everything new burned life like bolt blue somebody touched know bruce
sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) subject help adjust tappits reply sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 16 rec motorcycles , sun soe clarkson edu \( matthew sheppard \) writes local 'experts' say 's tappits need adjusting soon attempt would like advice anyone shop manual read procedure places anything need \? problems anyone else encountered \? would recommend factory service manual , experienced get haynes \( sp \? \) also make sure bike cooled least 6 hours since run read books questions could mail also , careful tightening valve cover bolts take little torque breaking one disaster rich sturges falls church , va
marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) subject 's rush \( fast \) organization purdue university distribution usa lines 19 article tcora b329 gator 3 pica army mil tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) writes useless road design , speed rate discussion deleted actually , roads designated safe 80 built 1950 's taking account kinds cars available number would much higher today cars , tires everything else lot except drivers thank ! travis disclamer ideas expressed fact employer , since none \) e mail , flame , marshatt feserve cc purdue edu
tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu \( dan ts'o \) subject 17 monitors organization baylor college medicine , houston , tx lines 23 nntp posting host cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu article cs mcgill ca gerardis cs mcgill ca \( gif emporium \) writes nec 5fg \( also available nec 5fge difference , accucolor \) experiences opinions people used nec 5fg would appreciated since want get one right exams done \( ie week \) 5fg think great n't seen nanao 's ca n't compare , 5fg image sharp color contrast extremely good 've used trinitron monitors \( e g sun color monitors , 19 trinitron \) , think 5fg least good , perhaps brighter , none silly horizontal lines running across btw , could wrong , thought 5fge slower well missing accucolor may able handle 1280x1024 way 5fg cheers , dan ts'o div neuroscience 713 798 3100 baylor college medicine 1 baylor plaza houston , tx tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu
wayne bradley wayne bradley canrem com subject hp lj fonts reply wayne bradley wayne bradley canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution comp lines 27 friend original hp laserjet nameplate specify number , since lj ii followed later , one assumes lj problem tax program requires 17 cpi font print forms properly unit came market 2 versions plus version supported fonts guess one friend plain , plus printer though slot small cartridges including 16 6 cpi none 17 cpi font anyone suggest source cartridge 17 \( 18 \? \) cpi font \? alternatively , upgrade plus version available reasonable cost \? suggestions would welcome thanks winqwk 2 0b 943 seattle rain festival jan 1 dec 31 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
schietke uni bonn de \( juergen schietke \) subject extension damaged chars big fonts organization research institute discrete mathematics , bonn lines 16 sorry garbage code , following used course xsetforeground \( disp , pixgc , \) xfillrectangle \( disp , pixs , pixgc , 0 , 0 , scr width , scr height \) xsetforeground \( disp , pixgc , \) line string rectangle \( disp , pixs , pixgc , \) xcopyarea \( disp , pixs , win , pixgc , 0 , 0 , win width , win height , 0 , 0 \) juergen schietke research insitute discrete mathematics university bonn 2 5300 bonn 1 tel \( 49 \) e mail schietke uni bonn de
paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) subject mlb nba \? nntp posting host koufax cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 20 article kbanaian 495 bernard pitzer claremont edu , kbanaian bernard pitzer claremont edu \( king banaian \) writes absolutely , positively , quite , causation runs salaries ticket prices two decisions owners raise ticket prices costs raise ticket prices demand seats risen \( wish bold type \) evidence , please come intro econ course , somewhere around lecture four sunk costs , opportunity costs , marginal costs right ticket prices set maximize revenue period excellent discussion works , see gerald scully 's book couple years back , titled \( think \) business baseball stretch farm animal beyond natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard \( 503 \) 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis , 97330 \( 503 \) 752 8424 sabr member since 1979
cs ucsd edu \( mike \) subject sabres bruins lines 11 nntp posting host tartarus ucsd edu article appserv eng sun com mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes i'm buffalo fan , could get bandwagon win 3 welcome aboard ! , since n't seen yet year \( preceding years \) , let say h c u l 'b' h e e r ! \( ! \)
ntaib silver ucs indiana edu \( iskandar taib \) subject please help amiga user find comfort windows nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 58 article fitz tc cornell edu stlombo eos acm rpi edu \( steve j lombardi \) writes night i'm amiga user day work windows 'd much comfortable windows two things 1 good personal information manager know calendar , address book , reminder list etc rolled one clean interface prefer , strange kind pim 2 good file manager poor standards one left right window allows file operations able launch programs interface would nice well text reading graphics viewing familiar directory opus amiga know i'm looking well , things might help like 3 1 file manager better 1 \) get one window simply double click drive icon gives one window work fallacy drag files windows , icon tree left side window , drive icon beats left right window many open wish instead two 2 \) launch app within file manager double clicking executable 's icon 3 \) launch application open document file double clicking document file 's icon , provided associations set correctly easily done menus browse capability adds lot functionality 3 1 name text files txt point gif , tiff , etc files towards paintshop wingif , takes care requirement text reading graphics viewing know someone prefers using file manager shell setting associations need way directory opus half good file manager must pretty good indeed ! file manager needs understand things done iskandar taib thing worse peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs !
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject actix video card drivers windows reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 26 27 apr 93 23 56 50 gmt \( adelaide edu au \) wrote 1993apr24 jarvis csri toronto edu wongda eecg toronto edu \( daniel h wong \) writes looking latest drivers actix graphics accelerator card driver currently using version 1 21 n't support 256 colors 1024x768 mode even 2mb memory bbs support actix unbelievable ! still using 2400bps modem ! take hours download drivers , hurts calling long distance ftp site collection video drivers windows \? good drivers \? \? daniel h wong uoft \( 416 \) 978 1659 anybody actix listening \? upload dang drivers ftp site \? ! somebody get local call contact ftp site possible , keep disk email request uuencoded provided , somebody sends , \( live ny \) penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization dsi uscrpac lines 23 article mjs behemoth genetics wisc edu mjs behemoth genetics wisc edu \( mike schmelzer \) writes let ask would trust richard nixon crypto keys \? would n't take mean president nixon , private citizen nixon sure nothing i'm would slightest interest president nixon mr sternlight , naivete historical ignorance appalling history lesson detailing 1968 74 deleted nonsense ! n't asked larry trust nixon keys , whether would david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
subject deskjet 500 accessories forsale cbnewsc cb att com \( ricardo rollins \) distribution oh organization keywords deskjet 500 , cartridges , cables lines 23 sale following hewlett packard 500 deskjet 4 additional deskjet ink cartridges 8 ft parallel printer cable printer approx 2 years old \( 7 months use , year storage illinois columbus \) excellent condition original manuals , boxes included selling price 325 00 entire package unwilling break good would cartridges without printer interested call either \( 614 \) 860 \( 614 \) 771 also respond via e mail ricardo rollins e mail rollins att com bell laboratories voice 1 614 860 6200 e broad st disclaimer opinions expressed mine columbus , oh unless 're morally , ethically , politically correct \)
cws faultline com \( carl \) subject way stop application \? nntp posting host faultline com organization faultline software group , inc distribution ba lines 30 article 1993may13 colorado edu , hoswell alumni cs colorado edu \( mike hoswell \) writes i'm quite familiar variety window title setting methods question way \( via resources , etc \) stop application 's ability name 's name properties \? sorry , 's feature icccm specifies app set title , wm obliged bothers , complain app writer cares 's application want control ! \) write wm n't support icccm write program give window id title program set windows title app app changes , program switches back mike mike hoswell hoswell ncar ucar edu never stop ! bagels climate global dynamics disclaimer represent ncar , po box 3000 , boulder co , 80307 've got going nice think clearly carl faultline software group , inc \( 408 \) 736 867 court cws faultline com ! apple decwrl ! ! cws sunnyvale , ca 94086
chandra sbi com \( chandra salomon brothers inc , ny \) subject graphics library \( gl \) hp sun keywords gl lines 10 nntp posting host sbi com looking gl source code , developed silicon graphics \( sgi \) would like compile sun hp 9000 anyone already supporting gl hp sun , please respond also please respond anyone knows source code available thank chandra sbi com jon sbi com
brother roy almac co uk \( brother roy \) subject rfd soc religion taize organization almac bbs ltd 44 \( 0 \) 324 lines 114 nntp posting host rodan uu net rfd proposal newsgroup would promote sharing johannine hours proposed month monks ecumenical community taize \( pronounced te \) france name proposed newsgroup soc religion taize \( unmoderated \) purpose group taize community international ecumenical community monks based france many young adults come search meaning life deepen understanding faith sharing others newsgroup allow sharing monthly johannine hour posted beginning month johannine hour involves short commentary given bible passage , followed questions reflection thoughts may arise consequence wish share others posted interested theological debate , even less expertise required ! idea help one another deepen understanding scripture related life journey idea johannine hours born taize simple response trying bible 's message midst daily life work studies , often impossible spend long hours silence reflection , everyone take hour time time enter church , sit quietly home go walk woods , silence , meditate passage scripture listen voice christ time silence , important concentrate understand waste time worrying , biblical expressions , find difficult hear voice christ idea communicate others understood christ , rather telling brought us joy , led us run risk trusting deeply perhaps read think johannine hours newsgroup could share reflections discoveries others important thing two aspects , personal aspect silent , personal reflection communal aspect sharing , usenet makes us part worldwide network background taize community following provides background information life taize \( pronounced te \) community parable communion august 1940 , europe grip world war ii , brother roger , aged 25 , set home almost abandoned village taize , eastern france dream bring together community would live parable community , sign reconciliation midst distress time centering life prayer , used house conceal refugees , especially jews fleeing nazi occupation international ecumenical community taize 's founder spent first two years alone others joined later easter 1949 , seven brothers committed together common life celibacy year year , still others entered community , one making lifelong commitment several years preparation today , 90 brothers , catholics various protestant backgrounds , twenty different countries living small groups poor asia , africa , north south america brothers accept donations gifts , even family , community holds capital brothers earn living share others entirely work 1966 , sisters saint andrew , international catholic community founded 750 years ago , came live neighbouring village , share responsibility welcoming people taize taize young meetings young adults , less young , coming taize ever greater numbers since 1957 hundreds thousands people europe far beyond thus brought together common search meetings take place week , sunday sunday , throughout year include youth 35 60 countries one week meetings give person opportunity explore roots faith reflect unite inner life human solidarity meetings summer 6 , 000 participants week three times every day , brothers everybody hill come together common prayer church reconciliation , built 1962 village church became small pilgrimage trust earth community never wanted create movement around instead , people called commit church home , neighbourhood , city village support , taize created calls pilgrimage trust earth end year , pilgrimage european meeting brings together tens thousands young adults every part europe several days major city also meetings asia united states every year , brother roger writes open letter young usually completed stay one poor regions world , translated thirty languages provide themes following year note discussion creation newsgroup take place news groups information contact brother roy almac co uk brother roy almac co uk 1st 1 332 taize community , taize , france
dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( david j sugar \) subject building simple appletalk repeater \? \? summary simple repeater keywords appletalk repeater , cheap , build organization drexel university , phila pa lines 16 small network running dorm school , kind worried length wires way run wondering anyone might schematic least ideas make sort simple appletalk repeater i'm interested making actual zones zone names , way isolate different branches network anyone ideas could done \? \? thanks alot , dave sugar mcs drexel edu dunx1 ocs drexel edu
doe carleton ca \( richard griffith \) subject burden proof organization dept electronics , carleton university lines 23 7hg aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes make statement , god exists , loves , etc way insist believe , place burden proof upon insist god n't exist , place burden proof upon \? give proofs , give testimony beliefs respond proofs attempt disprove beliefs reaction people claim space aliens \? people say , , experimented , etc insist aliens n't exist burden proof placed us people give hard facts give lot testimony back beliefs replace space aliens elvis , big foot , blue unicorns , larger percentage population like think sometimes wonder reality really different experience everone
dls autodesk com \( daniel louis smith \) subject windows mfc 2 0 motif tools sought summary looking products available organization autodesk inc , sausalito ca , usa lines 19 looking info products take windows source unix box \( sparc \) , produce motif executable another requirement mfc 2 0 supported already know wind u bristol technologies hunter sdk others \? post summary 's wanted daniel dls autodesk com dls netcom com daniel l smith , autodesk , sausalito , california , \( 415 \) 332 x disclaimer accuracy statements somehow caffeine intake
mwunix mitre org \( arthur \) subject quadra pds video cards summary speed quadra video heavily loaded system \? keywords quadra , video , performance nntp posting host mwunix mitre org organization mitre corporation distribution us lines 15 friend heavily midi using quadra 900 \( maybe 950 \) one nubus slot populated arcane music hardware video card reports 8 bit video slow good real time display needs see also reports built video even worse 's mac guru , n't seen system , know suspect nubus heavily loaded , think improvements might come switch accelerated pds slot video card sound right \? makes pds accelerated video card quadra thats worth looking \? suggestions \? thanks advance ! email mitre org arthur \( 713 \) 333 snail mitre corporation , 1120 nasa road one , houston , texas 77058
mark madman demon co uk \( mark \) subject help wanted faults ide drives distribution world organization dis \( organised \) reply nick madman demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 14 105mb ide drive problems ! get error drive c' messages reading files problem also steadily getting worse run diagnostic software \( pctools v7 1 \) says drive ok retry sectors briefly flashes error message \( quick read \) anybody know cheap free software could mark sectors bad \( dos n't \) preferably perform low level format heard latter possible ide technical answers would appreciated would nice able use disk ! ! ! running ms dos 5 clone
mckay alcor concordia ca \( john mckay \) subject math \? \? \( us govt technolgy investment keywords science \? nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 21 mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes report called science order , 's probably , however , somewhat experimental science exploration fractals , strange , artificial life whether important insights gained experiments unknown , tend change shape mostly viewed abstract deductive field experiments mathematics \? well look new journal journal experimental mathematics several fields editorial board want \? try klaus peters boston david epstein warwick deep ideas simple odd groups even even
mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu subject real fans organization post office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 19 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu discussion real fans ones respect teams matter ow bad 's bullshit anyone would follow pens pirates parts early eighties devoted basis losers 's ok follow concerned home team give respect even clear management players suck required true fan true fan would follow team troubled times extent could discuss improve team visit pittsburgh , 'll refuse go pirates game since think management given pittsburgh team could much better even could n't sign barry bonds 's say pens start team oilers done year whalers done recent years , would hard pressed show much enthusiasm team 'll still follow bitch wo n't waste money mediocre teams p ravin ratnam
rigby echo unr edu \( wayne rigby \) subject cross , sobel roberts filters \? organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 20 article 1993apr28 waikato ac nz waikato ac nz writes saw imaging program time ago amiga cross , sobel roberts filters edge detection anybody direct algorithms ok , never heard cross filters , roberts , sobel filters standard spatial masks edge detection filtering good job detecting edges , good reference sorts general digital image processing book digital image processing rafael c gonzalez richard e woods addison wesley publishing co 1992 isbn 0 201 6 've used source filters many things grad project dificult worst part loading images tiff gif iff ilbm whatever ! \) wayne rigby rigby cs unr edu
sbp002 acad drake edu subject wounded redbirds lines 1 nntp posting host acad drake edu organization drake university , des moines , iowa , usa anyone know status jeffries arocha \?
wild access digex net \( wildstrom \) subject mac disks windows \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 14 nntp posting host access digex net gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) writes macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know easiest way send files accross network much easier going mac pc n't worry losing resource fork file , often problem sending binary files pc mac
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject put helmet organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 25 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article uupcb compdyn questor org , ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes another good place helmet mirror \( ! \) kid typical standard bike fairly average mirrors screw handlebars , helmet fit mirror fairly stable careful weight helmet resting mirror depress foam liner helmet kind foam bounces back , like foam rubber purpose life absorb energy impact compressed noggin mirror compresses , much less energy absorbing capacity left noggin crash found right handlebar good spot , hang facing , balanced across grip brake lever weight helmet n't compress foam open face helmet ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( belville \) subject pool table sale organization drexel university , philadelphia lines 11 article 1993apr25 magnus acs ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu \( kenneth w miller \) writes ken well tell us pool table ! andy andy belville 's taken long time , 've belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu fallen love beautiful woman
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject denver post yanks 'assault organization sun microsystems lines 42 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com article dns1 nmsu edu , loki acca nmsu edu \( entropic destroyer \) writes denver post \( supposed voice supposed rocky mountain empire \) ran following , classified heading friday , 23 april 1993 opinion new found wisdom , told person speak one mr walters , \( 303 \) 820 notice denver post longer knowingly accept advertise ment buy sell assault ons denver post finds use assault weapons poses threat health , safety , security readers let 'em know think dan revolution , assasination , , cobalt 60 , , cia , nsa , shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send something even ca n't read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block 've seen lots notes like various newspaper classified sections hunting sporting goods outdoor collector 's , see things like , colt 223 hunting rifle , 223 sporting arm stuff like newspaper gets make editorial statement , plus get revenue anyway
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject life mars organization university rochester lines 27 article exodus eng sun com eng sun com \( john \) writes new information discovered recently microscopic fossils found old rocks theory life old must destroyed periodic intense meteorite bombardments feature early solar system theory life originated earth multiple times \( multiple meteorite bombardments \) , therefore conditions creation life cannot unlikely badly reported news evidence signs life found old rock planet events rather , argument life arose shortly last event , must easily formed inference life originated destroyed , evidence however , even argument flawed could well origin life requires specific conditions \( say , certain composition atmosphere \) last long , perhaps life formed early would chance , likely life would originate conditions paul f dietz dietz cs rochester edu
facman ohsu edu \( marie e \) subject natural alternatives estrogen organization oregon health sciences university lines 2 nntp posting host facman need diet disease ideas gastrointestinal distress
meyers uenics evansville edu \( christopher h meyers \) subject internet servers university organization university evansville lines 32 university wanting buy couple servers provide email students \( 2300 \) faculty \( 250 \) two servers one provide news service one mail service proposed internet connection problems proposed set \? provided providing ethernet line cisco router network 2 x 486 dx 50 mhz smc elite 32 eisa nic dual 2 scsi 2 parts labor everything hard drives running unix application servers run cc mail campus wide novell network access hopefully aspect looking \? nic use \? enough disk space \? etc help would greatly appreciated christopher h meyers uunet meyers evansville edu university evansville academic computing technician let 's , say ! \( 812 \) 479
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject lexus infiniti organization university westminster lines 8 yeah bmw 2 7 litres 535 3 4 btw someone please tell put someone else 's file reply person 's file go newgroups together \? \( ps mail personally \) thanx advance
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject best times , worst times organization summary missing screw lines 22 article txd able mkt 3com com , txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) writes convex com \( matthew \) writes 1993apr20 tti com paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) writes turned screw inside mikuni better check screws carb suck one jug piston , valve 've seen happen \? ! \? ! \? mikuni \? \? \? i'm going exploded view 'ol sport , round slide spike , monster old norton mind , ca n't , life see screw , came loose could get jug explode 'em , screws fly away \) chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
prange nickel ucs indiana edu \( henry prange \) subject black reflector tape \? nntp posting host nickel ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 12 got sample black reflector material , maybe \? black reflects silver angle incidence shallow whoever got sold sells kits fit bmw \( brands \? \) luggage fenders n't know sample kits seemed expensive , recall henry prange biker physiology iu sch med , , dod 0821 bmwmoa gsi 215 ride '92 r100gs '91 rx 7 conv cage 2 '91 explorer cage 2 lie , cheat steal , mostly little , sometimes lot relax
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries c organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines 22 bit surprised manual fluke 87 suggests applying wd 40 test lead sockets , especially current range socket intention prevent test lead wrong beeper going test lead socket manual bit vague , think 'd apply wd 40 , wipe socket instead stuff directly speaking said meters compared 87 've bench almost 11 years five years since calibrated dc scale , agree within 01 mv ac scale within 1 mv 87 would perfect portable meter db scale n't feel worth extra 100 second since n't use db much work bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
vub ac \( philippe lebrun \) subject frozen shoulder lawn mowing distribution eunet lines 15 article 1993apr23 ux1 cts eiu edu , cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) writes frozen shoulder year year still partially frozen , still physical therapy every week pain subsided almost completely last week lawn twenty minutes , two days row push type power mower pain started back little bit first time quite , used ice medicine anybody explain particular activity , seem stress much generally , cause shoulder problem \? need use shoulder muscles push mower n't much exercise , suppose n't , constant 20 minute long effort cause stiffness cramps philippe
34aej7d cmuvm bitnet subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu 4t transfer stratus com 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu lines 21 article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu , mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) says deleted lives cause therefore davids fault atf 's gave 50 51 days get , 50 days many many rest u however sad hear death child unlike sick bastard supposedly matthew r hamilton mhamilto mcs kent edu k cs physics major ksuvxb kent edu \( lawnmowerman \) kent state university ksuvxb kent edu tragically ironic post like originate kent state apparently lessons history ignored
boulder colorado edu \( eric e snyder \) subject denver post classifieds assault weapons nntp posting host beagle colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 29 came across following notice denver post classified morning \( april 26 , 1993 \) begin quote notice denver post longer knowingly accept advertisement buy sell assault weapons denver post finds use assault weapons poses threat health , safety , security readers end quote suppose post within rights refuse ads however , second sentence noxious , feel compelled bring attention p g c g readership called post classified number \( 825 \) expressed displeasure according supervisor spoke , post reacting public complaints regarding running assult weapon ads however , said paper keeping track reaction change policy strongly encourage denver post readers call make feelings known eric e snyder department mcd biology making feet childrens' shoes university colorado , boulder boulder , colorado
z ccsvax sfasu edu subject tiff anything \? ! organization stephen f austin state university lines 14 program called graphic workshop ftp wuarchive file msdos graphics directory called grfwk61t zip program od everthing need tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \) could specific \? need file could n't find amongst directories wuarchive page z ccsvax sfasu edu
caronni nessie cs id ethz ch \( germano caronni \) subject get keys organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch lines 24 article netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes unclear whether obtaining key time 0 also unlocks messages recorded \( whomever \) earlier times announcement silent betting seems key obtained \( authorities , divorce lawyers , mafia , fbi , lost stolen backup tapes , nsa , etc \) previous conversations unsecure \( session keys negotiated , knowing private key believed many commentators break security doubt details emerge \) completely clear assume byte encrypted compromised people wondered , denning , hellman others respond , asked would done compromised phones , compromise could restricted time \( \) let us assume \) know b \) know n't tell c \) care seem 's person 's problem' gec instruments register things 're designed register space still contains infinite unknowns pgp key id 341027 germano caronni caronni nessie cs id ethz ch fd560ccf586f3da747ea3c94dd01720f
ucs ualberta ca \( papp denis \) subject regular season 93 94 pool summary pool nntp posting host ucs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 61 1993 1994 nhl hockey pool denis papp chris rules pick 17 players \( 3 lw , 3 c , 3 rw , 3 ld , 3 rd , 2 goalies \) may pick 17 players team points players follows 1 point per goal 1 point per assist 1 point per 10 pim points goalies follows 2 points per win 1 point per tie 1 point per assist 1 point per 5 pim 2 points per shutout 100 points per goal entries entries sent \( mail ascii text file \) chris denis papp hard wired bbs \( 434 \) due date entries first day regular season play , entries accepted \( unless slightly late case , small penalty applied team \) internet users send email ucs ualberta ca prizes prizes yet considered could range nothing free time hard wired bbs even something else \( suggestions please feel free put two cents worth \) one idea get whoever willing submit equal amount money , go prize money prize money go top team submitted prize pool list people submit money posted , well didnt done way cost cost absolutely nothing ! ! ! absolutely fee pool note questions , please feel free send denis papp \( chris \) players positions \( ie brett hull right wing \) decided year book using , know certain players position , completely sure position plays , ask 'll tell great time , call hard wired bbs \( 403 \) 434 \( location pool standings displayed \) internet users contact denis papp , email \( ucs ualberta ca \) standings distributed email well
tu berlin de \( michael linder \) subject windows nt help needed io error organization lines 33 nntp posting host tu berlin de hi everybody , got third beta release disk \( march 93 \) still able boot system final step achieved display io error , since beta release sdk nt nt , microsoft include manual os , explaining error means get rid configuration 25 , rev a7 \( 486 socket \) memory \( 512k 36 , 1m 36 , 2m 36 \) ami eisa scsi controller \( \) , latest bios , 16mb cache hard disk syquest 555 removable disk toshiba cd rom drive spectrum plus 16 ethernet card \( ne2000 comp \) et4000 graphics card , 1meg \( \) system running fine dos windows 3 1 etc , trying setup nt , automatic setup recognize controller \( compat \) adding manually , nt complains cd rom drive manual setup \( \) copy everything cd hd , recognize controller , takes manually setup continues tries boot starts loading several stuff disk \( seems hd \) , messing damned io error 69 took away io cards essential , make effect anybody got ideas \? help would greatly appreciated michael linder physik tu berlin de institute optics tech univ berlin , germany
pom anke uni mainz de \( prof dr klaus \) subject summary des init vector additional key \? keywords des , key search , initialisation vector nntp posting host anke uni mainz de organization johannes gutenberg universitaet mainz lines 60 risk getting lost clipper chip discussion give summary recent question article zdv uni mainz de wrote recent discussion news group suggests key search attack des quite feasible normally des applied cbc cfb mode one chooses random init vector 8 bytes questions makes sense handle init vector additional key \? 56 64 120 bit key yes anything known security key scheme \? break faster exhaustive search 120 bit key space \? unfortunately answer concealing initialisation vector essentially n't give additional security got 3 answers \( grady netcom com , mark cl cam ac uk , smb research att com \) opened eyes 's pretty simple say e encryption \( decryption \) key k 64 bit blocks let c 0 initialisation vector , 1 , 2 , message blocks , c 1 , c 2 , cipher text blocks encryption cipher block chaining \( cbc \) mode works formula c e \( xor c 1 \) , decryption c 1 xor \( c \) attacker n't c 0 affects first message block 1 key search attack 2 , 3 , situation cipher feedback \( cfb \) mode bit complicated similar left exercise reader \) finally modified output feedback mode \( ofb \) des \( whatever block cipher use \) simply acts random generator e \( 1 \) initialisation vector \( seed \) 0 , encryption given c xor usual attack xor bitstream ciphers reduces cracking key search k klaus institut fuer statistik und der johannes gutenberg universitaet strasse 69 , w 6500 mainz , germany
steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) subject freedom u nntp posting host surya cs ucla edu organization ucla , computer science department lines 15 hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes mr mamaysky 's proposal forbid action serves promote morally incorrect action omitted brevity prefer freedom granted first amendment us constitution arbitrary definition universal morality steve p elaborate e mail n't clear p p i'm sorry misspelling name steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 steven cs ucla edu los angeles , ca 90024 1596
jlinder magnus acs ohio state edu \( jeffrey linder \) subject kyle k rodney king nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 30 article 1993apr19 chevron com jviv usmi01 midland chevron com \( john viveiros \) writes article m15 news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes entire second trial race , ted n't feel compelled discuss mr king 's racial background , mr king white would second trial probably saying beating would occurred white , extremely difficult call make possible case , definately one could easily point jury decided extremely difficult call could made , two defendants found guilty one could also make interesting observations system justice , men guilty excessive force , guilty enough violated civil rights use \( non existant \) excessive force also interesting note powell \( maybe \) found guilty aiding king 's civil rights , two others also beat king others watched go figure \? say \? say appeal \? john viveiros \( jviv chevron com \) chevron usa standard disclaimer applies midland tx jsl
u7711501 bicmos ee nctu edu tw \( jih shin ho \) subject 0 7 organization national chiao tung university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 299 posted zip alt binaries pictures utilities upload package simtel20 later may distribute program freely non commercial use fee gained warranty author responsible damage caused program important changes since version 1 35 added support iris support mix two images added support added support save palette added support added support one added support new color quantization option fix minor bugs \( 1 \) introduction program let read , write display images different formats also let special effects \( rotation , dithering \) image main purpose let convert image among different include simple file management system support support limit image size currently program supports 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 bits display want use hicolor truecolor , must vesa driver want modify video driver , please read section \( 8 \) \( 2 \) hardware requirement pc 386 better msdos 3 3 higher min amount ram 4m bytes \( maybe less memory also work \) \( recommend min 8m bytes better performance \) hard disk swapping \( virtual memory \) following description borrowed djgpp supported wares 128m extended memory \( expanded vcpi \) 128m disk space used swapping supervga 256 color mode 1024x768 xms memory allocation strategies vcpi programs , qemm , desqview , 386max unsupported dpmi microsoft windows features emulator , 32 bit unix ish environment , flat memory model , svga graphics \( 3 \) installation video drivers , go32 exe borrowed djgpp \( use western digital vga chips , read readme wd \) \( go32 exe modified version vesa completely compatible original version \) people report go32 exe compatible djgpp programs system encounter problem , put go32 exe within search path please read bat run program choose xxxxx grn video driver , add environment go32 example , go32 driver x xxxxx xxxxx grn nc 256 n't , add x xxxxx environment go32 example , go32 driver x xxxxx xxxxx emu x xxxxx notes 1 test grn , et4000 grn vesa grn drivers tested 2 modified et4000 grn support 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 bits display n't need use vesa driver et4000 grn n't work , please try vesa grn 3 want use hicolor truecolor display , please use vesa grn \( except et4000 users \) find vesa bios driver wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos graphics godzilla cgl rmit oz au kjb mgl \( 4 \) command line switch usage display display initial display type sort sort method h \? display type 8 \( svga , default \) , 15 , 16 \( hicolor \) , 24 \( truecolor \) sort method , \( 5 \) function key f2 change disk drive ctrl ctrl z change disk drive f3 change filename mask \( see match doc \) f4 change parameters f5 effects picture , eg flip , rotate f7 make directory tag file tag group files \( see match doc \) tag files u untag file untag group files \( see match doc \) u untag files ins change display type \( 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 \) 'read' 'screen' menu f6 , , move file \( \) alt move single file \( ignore tag \) f8 , , delete file \( \) alt delete single file \( ignore tag \) r , r rename file c , c copy file \( \) alt c copy single file \( ignore tag \) z , z display first 10 bytes ascii , hex dec modes f , f display disk free space page move one page tab change processing target arrow keys , home , end , page , page scroll image home left end right page top page bottom 'screen' menu left , right arrow change display type \( 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 bits \) ctrl arrow keys crop image one line \( graphics mode \) , slide show \( show tagged files \) escape terminate b , b batch conversion \( convert tagged files single format \) w , w wait pause slide show alt x quit program without prompting alt reread directory escape abort function return \( 6 \) support format read gif \( gif \) , japan mag \( mag \) , japan pic \( pic \) , sun raster \( ras \) , jpeg \( jpg \) , xbm \( xbm \) , utah rle \( rle \) , pbm \( pbm \) , pgm \( pgm \) , ppm \( ppm \) , pm \( pm \) , pcx \( pcx \) , japan mki \( mki \) , tiff \( tif \) , targa \( tga \) , xpm \( xpm \) , mac paint \( mac \) , gem img \( img \) , iff ilbm \( \) , window bmp \( bmp \) , qrt ray tracing \( qrt \) , mac pict \( pct \) , vis \( vis \) , pds \( pds \) , viking \( \) , vicar \( vic \) , fits \( fit \) , usenix face \( fac \) , iris \( sgi \) extensions \( \) standard extensions write gif , sun raster , jpeg , xbm , pbm , pgm , ppm , pm , tiff , targa , xpm , mac paint , ascii , laser jet , iff ilbm , window bmp , mac pict , vis , fits , face , pcx , gem img , iris read write support full color \( 8 bits \) , grey scale , b w dither , 24 bits image , allowed format \( 7 \) detail initialization set default display type highest display type find allowable screen resolution \( grn video driver \) 1 run program , enter 'read' menu menu press function key move copy files , enter menu menu much like 'read' menu , allow change directory header line 'read' menu includes \( xx , f xx , xx \) display type f number files number tagged files pressing space 'read' menu let select format use reading current file pressing return 'read' menu let reading current file program automatically determine format file procedure first , check magic number fail , check standard extension still fail , report error pressing 'read' menu delay time 0 , program wait hit key \( except escape \) error occurs , program make beep 'w' 'w' pause , key continue escape terminate pressing ins 'read' menu change display type pressing alt x 'read' menu quit program without prompting pressing f5 turn menu 2 image file successfully read , enter 'screen' menu special effect image pressing return show image graphic mode , press return , space escape return text mode pressing tab change processing target program allows special effects 8 bit 24 bit image pressing left , right arrow change display type 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 bits pressing space save current image file b w dither save black white image \( 1 bit \) grey scale save grey image \( 8 bits \) full color save color image \( 8 bits \) true color save 24 bit image program ask questions want write image file questions format dependent finally program prompt filename want save file another directory current directory , please press space pressing space , enter menu change directory want , pressing space program prompt filename pressing return program prompt filename \( filename bar \) 3 program supports 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 bits display 4 program memory greedy n't enough memory , performance poor 5 want save 8 bits image try gif tiff \( lzw \) targa sun raster bmp want save 24 bits image \( lossless \) try tiff \( lzw \) targa ilbm sun raster \( one better true 24bits image \) 6 recommend jpeg storing 24 bits images , even 8 bits images 7 subroutines fully tested 8 document well written problem , suggestion , comment program , please send u7711501 bicmos ee nctu edu tw \( 140 113 11 13 \) need suggestion improve program \( anonymous ftp site \) \( 8 \) tech information program \( user interface subroutines \) written jih shin ho subroutines borrowed xv \( 2 21 \) pbmplus \( dec 91 \) tiff \( v3 2 \) jpeg \( v4 \) reading writing public domain libraries compiled djgpp get whole djgpp package simtel20 mirror sites example , wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos djgpp \( 9 \) want modify video driver 1 get source code simtel20 mirror sites 2 hicolor truecolor 15 bits colors set 32768 16 bits colors set 24 bits colors set acknowledgment would like thank authors xv pbmplus permission let use subroutines also thank authors write tiff jpeg libraries thank dj without djgpp ca n't thing pc jih shin ho u7711501 bicmos ee nctu edu tw
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject rgb hvs , back lines 26 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article caspian usc edu , zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) writes see foley , van dam , feiner , hughes , computer graphics principles practice , second edition people would read book , 75 percent questions would disappear overnight really think less 10 alternatively , 75 questions cover 10 topics group making frequently asked 25 cover 90 topics , making rarely asked thus sore need answering chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
eck panix com \( mark eckenwiler \) subject waco fire organization nwo steering committee lines 14 cpqhou se hou compaq com , cpqhou se hou compaq com sez houston chronicle last thursday \( maybe wednesday \) said interior walls covered hay bales help protect bullets many know fast dry hay burns terribly interesting , n't belong misc legal take elsewhere , please hugged common nucleus operative fact today \? mark eckenwiler eck panix com ! cmcl2 ! panix ! eck
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject nicknames organization case western reserve university lines 16 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \( scott sauyet \) writes okay , scott anybody hear \? sauyet ssauyet wesleyan edu could speak \? ca n't hear sole intention learning fly
cs strath ac uk \( john wilson \) subject need rules 2 floppy twisted cable installation organization comp sci dept , strathclyde univ , glasgow , scotland lines 26 nntp posting host hunter 06 cs strath ac uk article 1993apr21 ncar ucar edu acd ucar edu \( timothy \) writes looking information install 5 25 floppy drive , 3 25 floppy drive b , twisted cable \( twist two floppy connectors \) , controller example , drives drive select 1 \? depends fdc generally drive end twist set drive 0 terminating resistor pack 's 5 25 floppy \? connector go drive \? since 're using 5 25 drive end twist resistor pack fitted pin 0 connector always correspond pin 0 floppy drive \? yes stuff deleted hope helps exactly problems unfortunately changed different machine problems started different fdc seems \( n't flame , mainly guess work experience \) fdc 's different things select john
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject planets habitable lines 32 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article pd zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes human tolerances , best example human endurance terms altitude \( e low atmospheric pressure lower oxygen partial pressure \) opinion scaling mt everest without oxygen assistance quite feat physiological endurance indeed 's extreme limit humanly possible possible mount everest fairly low latitude slight equatorial bulge atmosphere beyond induced earth 's rotation thanks overall circulation pattern atmosphere \( air cools poles descends , flowing back equator warmed rises \) , helps enough make everest without oxygen feasible feasible , mind guys reported indications oxygen starvation , probably incurred permanent brain damage regard 8000 death zone even 100 oxygen , slowly dying \( everest \) , spend short period time descending 've 8000 descending little feels like walking jungle , air thick everest winter without oxygen , support party \( alpine style \) ultimate challenge \( solo \? \) dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
nntp posting host fac csr byu edu lines 28 ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) subject s3 card problems keywords s3 , local bus , microsoft mouse organization fine arts communications brigham young university posted message time ago asking mouse jumpy well , think know , n't anything mouse seems video driver ! 's think weeks ago helped guy install driver s3 video card windows using normal windows default vga driver n't kind mouse \( mine microsoft serial brand serial mouse \) mouse worked fine installed s3 \( v1 4 \) driver system , mouse became really jumpy ! anything \? need high resolution since display lots stuff screen \( ami pro , pegasus mail windows , wp office 4 0 sorry , ! , alot \) noticed s3 drivers ftp cica , version already help \( already tried ! \) sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications 406 hfac brigham young university provo , ut 84602 \( 801 \) 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject says apostles tortured \? organization decision support inc lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host bozo dsinc com another article fell cracks article srvr1 engin umich edu ingles engin umich edu \( ray ingles \) writes evidence resurrection , often claimed disciples tortured death beliefs still renounce claim jesus come back dead , acts , found reference happening stephen , others apparently widely held belief come \? evidence outside bible \? evidence bible \? sure n't found briefly , widespread folklore , good documentary evidence , even solid rumor , concerning deaths apostles , usual context arguments , observe , martyrs lie e willingness people die rather evidence truth belief adds quite stronger twist proposed martyrs must offered chance life since n't even know died , certainly n't information \( way , even case stephen clear could saved \) willingness true believers die belief , jesus jim jones , well documented , martyrdom says little see 20 40 biblical account martyrdom 450 priests jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
cs uri edu \( andrew \) subject microcontroller questions newcomer organization computer science department , university rhode island lines 25 acooney netcom com \( alan \) writes discussion motorola vs intel uc 's words , add favorite serial level converters \( mac folks use cheaper , farther , faster drivers , pc users get suffer rs232 \) start using project ! think much software mac \? 've interested using microcontrollers applications long time , always impression would need ibm run debug compile etc software would like use i'm 6800 assembly , never needed except old motorola n't seem information mac software \( least local distributor n't \) department around little help well hope someone tell n't buy ibm work evaluation boards please send mail ! andrew andrew cs uri edu remind dog , 'll probably get along jane meow
jhpark cs utexas edu \( park \) subject povray tga rle organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 25 nntp posting host pageboy cs utexas edu hello , problem converting tga file \( generated povray \) rle file convert , get warning message use xloadimage getx11 , something wrong error messages , rle data tga xloadimage rle rle 0x0 24 bit rle image map \( dither 8 bits \) , gamma 1 00 dithering image done building ximage done xloadimage x error \( integer parameter range operation \) 0x0 xloadimage x error badwindow \( invalid window parameter \) know need install ppmtorle , spend time install even want generate rgb povray convert rle , possible \( rgb rle works , mess directory many files , needs 2 steps finally convert rle file say cat \) body experience problems \? thanks advance , j park
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject two people married god 's e reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 20 sas upenn edu \( james r blankenship \) writes reason death penalty revenge \? \? going try refute position , try refute whole position speaking small piece problem broad sweeping reason , etc tough nut crack death penalty n't help much every year fbi releases crime stats showing overwhelming amount crime committed repeat offenders people killed folks killed \( knows many times \) folks death penalty , revenge , cut \? point well taken acknowledge fact take position sorry course , still believe vast majority favor death penalty , reason seeking vengeance i'm curious , favor death penalty keep killers killing , think people commit crimes , rape robbery \? n't muslims cut hand 're caught stealing \?
jwg0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( john walter \) subject vhs movies must sell moving organization lehigh university lines 17 article 1993apr22 1 hiramb hiram edu , koutd hiramb hiram edu \( kou \) writes vhs movies sold moving 6 weeks douglas kou much room 6 videotapes take moving van \? take \? mba looking job hiring \? e mail jwg0 lehigh edu take walk wild side lehigh university \) bethlehem , pa usa \( j h n g e w r w k
aa963 freenet carleton ca \( lloyd carr \) subject yamaha vs honda opinions reply aa963 freenet carleton ca \( lloyd carr \) organization national capital freenet lines 31 previous article , phj remus rutgers edu \( p ju \) says nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes friend mine \( 's probably reading right \) bought new yamaha virago 750 spending 1 2 hours late one chilly evening watching struggle bolts \( remove right peg , loosen brake pedal , c c \) 've pretty much decided never get particular model unless someone else wants change oil filter compared 5 minute change used honda , design flaw oversight eyes patricia phj remus rutgers edu sure n't know bike worked sure n't virago 've owned 750 1100 filter change 5 mins nothing removed obviously new bike modified stock machine simple work watching ! ! lloyd aa963 freenet carleton ca carr carr uranus doc ca dod org ca
corona hsc usc edu \( daniel chen \) subject mac oriented bbss organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 4 distribution world nntp posting host corona hsc usc edu i'm also interested mac based bbs , chicago would greatly appreciate someone could post list bbss la area preferably \( 818 \) also \( 213 \) thanks dan
hugo prime com \( david bernstein \) subject nobody knows name organization computervision lines 15 n't mean sound disrespectful , since majority contributors \( may even readers \) newsgroup seem muslims , christians jews , question could interest 's impression islam christianity pay great respect obscure 1st century jewish lad judea galilee chose particular jew among possible jews mystery \( personally , prefer woody allen stories much \) perhaps 's accident history anyway , seems may talking two different jews according new testament father 's name joseph , qur'an appears 's right name difference \? i'm really curious david
warlord mit edu \( derek atkins \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization massachusetts institute technology lines 18 netcom com nntp posting host podge mit edu reply strnlght netcom com 's message 21 apr 93 00 07 53 gmt article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes countries laws importing crypto gear believe u without license scheme wo n't work \( least legally \) countries , including least france u david bzzt ! wrong us crypto import laws derek derek atkins , mit '93 , electrical engineering computer science secretary , mit student information processing board \( sipb \) mit media laboratory , speech research group warlord mit edu pp asel n1nwh
tcs tulane edu tulane edu \( jonah lin \) subject satanic tounges organization tulane university , new orleans , la lines 14 article may 9 05 40 36 1993 athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes hmmm old testament story tower babel , see god punished giving us different language assume angels language , one amongst angels \? , punished manner maybe babel , everyone including angels spoke language , babel , god punished us giving us languages different original one 's case , angels would speaking tongue mankind spoke babel jonah
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject catholic doctrine predestination organization none lines 26 \( stephen creps \) writes catholic doctrine predestination exclude free way since god knows everything , therefore knows everything going happen us free , able change happens us however , since god knows everything , knows choices make advance \( god subject time \) often arguments pit predestination free believe last sentence steve 's important one remember certain things catholic religion cannot completely human case , would good evidence religion man made case predestination , reconcile two things would first appear sovereignty god 's things , man 's free deciding fate catholics believe ! n't mean anyone come pat reconciliation often thought goedel 's famous theorem catholic dogma , least analogous sense things true cannot proved god 's intellect far many truths never able understand
garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution usa lines 22 article news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article 1993apr27 uoft02 utoledo edu steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu \( jason 'think ! ' steiner \) writes james p dusek \( dusek rtsg mot com \) writes garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes , used cs would harm children really hope 're sarcastic , 've seen many stupid things said complete seriousness 's hard tell without smiley actually believe 's cs gas discriminate based age target \? yes , gas used mild concentration formulation compared stuff heard delivered high concentration counteract wind 30 mph blowing away source quoted low concentration \?
skeptic demon co uk \( wendy grossman \) subject fifth amendment passwords distribution world organization lincoln house productions reply skeptic demon co uk x mailer simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 19 \) lines 17 article 1993apr16 cs aukuni ac nz pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz writes cs uiuc edu kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) writes looks like ca n't forced reveal password , anyone provide convincing legal argument contrary \( ie actual court case \) 'd interested case britain , according head computer crime unit interviewed couple months ago wg wendy grossman 9a north avenue , founder , skeptic \( uk \) richmond , surrey writer \( 44 \) \( 81 \) 948 recovering
oueichek imag fr \( ibaa oueichek \) subject help identifying card nntp posting host organization imag institute , university grenoble , france x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 29 chad jones \( ucla edu \) wrote article imag fr ibaa oueichek , oueichek imag fr writes ethernet card took old lc card manufactured asante read asante tech , inc copyright 1991 lc rev b card fpu socket provides thin ethernet connector 's another connector phone connectors questions card work model lc serie \? , given 's pds card , work iisi pds slot \? think may lc 16 bit wide slots probably wo n't work lc ones lc ii rev , wo n't work iisi 's pds slot since 's 68030 pds , lc 68020 pds iisi se 30 share kind card ok , see asante propose upgrade cards \? email adress ask directly \? phone number ok , even pay overseas call i'm really willing know card sham \( u \) ya tha \( \) \( u \) lam \( \) ibaa oueichek oueichek imag imag fr ya jamal \( al \) \( \) fi \( l \) \( \) lab de genie informatique \( lgi \) \( \) \( \) \( u \) fi imag , \( \) ala \( sh \) \( \) 46 , av felix , grenoble
chung pioneer arc nasa gov \( po sum chung \) subject water trunk 89 probe \? \? organization nasa ames res ctr mtn vw ca 94035 lines 25 article tamsun tamu edu jlong tamu edu \( james long \) writes article transfer stratus com tszeto sneezy ts stratus com \( tommy szeto \) writes water gradually builds trunk friend 's 89 ford probe every would remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk would guess usually happens good thunder storm qs 1 \) common problem \? 2 \) drain holes located hatch \? noticed '89 probe also , recently cleaning back think water coming rubber stoppered holes beneath spare mine looked slightly worn , water water damage level spare area problem '90 probe water definitely comming rubber stoppered hole beneath spare remove rubber stopper drain water seems like common problem probe po sum chung email chung ames arc nasa gov
lindholm ucs ubc ca \( george lindholm \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization university computing services , ubc , canada lines 175 distribution world nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca article skeena ucs ubc ca , lindholm ucs ubc ca \( george lindholm \) writes article 123645 netnews upenn edu bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes , another false alarm , 'll certainly done next week message , real thing repeat , drill ! batten hatches , hide women , lock cows , xv 3 00 finally escaped cleaning cage morning overpowered , broke office door , fled lab last seen heading general direction export lcs mit edu nearly 30k per second found , answers name 'contrib xv 3 00 tar z' blast i'm vacation capital u waco , texas first patch \) following fixes problems imakefile files makes possible compile xv 3 00 solaris without use ucb stuff oops , n't get signal processing right \( thats get work ascii terminal \) fixed patch 1 1 1993 04 28 06 05 03 imakefile 1993 04 28 08 20 35 209 , 215 xcmap programs xv bggen xcmap ! defined \( havejpeg \) defined \( \) ifdef havejpeg 209 , 218 xcmap programs xv bggen xcmap ! ! echo ! echo remember 'make first \? ! echo defined \( havejpeg \) defined \( \) ifdef havejpeg 222 , 238 subdirs tiff endif define passcdebugflags \( \( subdirs \) \) \( \( \) \) endif echo echo remember 'make first \? echo echo building xv echo 225 , 236 subdirs tiff endif define passcdebugflags define \( \( subdirs \) \) endif echo building xv echo 259 , 267 srcs \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) dependtarget \( \) \( \( programs \) \) normalprogramtarget \( xv , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) normalprogramtarget \( bggen , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) 257 , 269 srcs \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \( programs \) \) dependtarget \( \) ifdef \( \( subdirs \) \) endif normalprogramtarget \( xv , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) normalprogramtarget \( bggen , \( \) , \( deplibs \) , \( local libraries \) , \) 1 1 1993 04 28 06 09 50 xcmap c 1993 04 28 07 09 03 9 , 15 9 , 19 include files include stdio h defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) include string h else include strings h endif include ctype h include x11 h 1 1 1993 04 28 08 33 13 xv h 1993 04 28 17 47 38 284 , 292 284 , 298 signal macros defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) define hold sig \( sigalrm \) define release sig \( sigalrm \) define pause sig sigpause \( sigalrm \) else define hold sig sigblock \( \( sigalrm \) \) define release sig sigblock \( 0 \) define pause sig sigpause \( 0 \) endif default folks 318 , 323 324 , 333 define random rand define srandom srand endif defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) define random \( \) rand \( \) define srandom \( x \) srand \( x \) endif 1 1 1993 04 28 06 17 41 tiff imakefile 1993 04 28 08 53 34 49 , 59 49 , 69 tif compress imakefile g3states h mkg3states c t4 h rm g3states h cc traditional mkg3states cflags mkg3states c mkg3states g3states h rm g3states h else g3states h mkg3states c t4 h rm g3states h cc mkg3states cflags mkg3states c mkg3states g3states h rm g3states h endif depend g3states h clean rm mkg3states g3states h dependtarget \( \)
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject henry spencer anyway \? organization u toronto zoology lines 16 article 1993may15 aie nl hansk aie nl \( hans \) writes god ! dare posting ! posed questions mr spencer time ago email unfortunately never received response apologies mail probably pile arrived got sick month ago reply appear eventually , really would like see interview mr spencer magazine \( photograph ! \) , even better tv program \( ! want ! \) far , none \( unless count interview amateur history netnews , may disqualified tac 's budget n't run reproducing photos \) svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
qdeck com \( gary rich \) subject desqview x pc network traffic organization quarterdeck office systems , santa monica ca lines 119 article picasso cssc syd tansu com au gpatapis boyd tansu com au writes article qdeck com , support qdeck com \( technical support \) writes article picasso cssc syd tansu com au gpatapis boyd tansu com au writes sort traffic generated x calls \? curious find required bandwidth link must one machine running dv x supporting multiple users \( clients \) require adequate response time anyone ideas \? \? expect limiting factor server machine , network give real world example , quarterdeck roughly 100 people using dvx talk bunch unix boxes , novell file servers , 's much load ethernet \( maybe 4 , 20 30 people segment \) badly loaded net , apps wanted run network intensive , could run slowdowns biggest problem would machine say 486 33 plenty ram fast hard disk network card 10 people running programs , 're going see slowdowns 're \( effectively \) 3 3 mhz 486 course , dvx attempt see tasks idle make sure give time slice , 10 working programs running , 'll know well buy bigger powerful server machine significant drop price year year link want use though \( isdn 64k \) costly bandwidth limited 's interest lies seeing link used see traffic goes since n't think tom always gets time read group , 'll take liberty responding really want tom reply send mail support qdeck com 64k line certainly going restrict far ethernet typically run restrictive depends run run would think couple instances really nasty program like smoking clover would make link useless anyone else hand , probably 50 quietly updating every 10 seconds would n't impact much real world , somewhere two extremes going way personally use x daily basis , would n't want share 64k link 3 4 people said , tweak programs run \( adding calls give time slices idle sort thing \) , could probably run 15 20 people given machine started seeing slowdowns \( time network bandwidth \) hmmm anyone centre monitored traffic \? running standard ms windows programs like word \? sort packets go blazing \? size link \( 2mb 10mb \? \) average traffic flow going network high peaks many low points \? corporate wan unique usage patterns good behave one low bandwidth links normally get used way link ireland often use run dos text based client end client server database remotely dvx machine behind since server end \( \) always end \( california \) faster remotely run client via desqview x short hop server running client locally long hop server warned , tells us little usage pattern fill 64k isdn link running word windows remotely going usage dependent let 's break pieces look tracking mouse pointer easy efficient translate windows calls x popping menu little involved generate traffic restoring screen covered menu may easy may server 's displaying backing store \? server enough memory display updated locally generate little network traffic backing store , covered \? solid colored rectangle space tell xserver draw quite easily full color backdrop ren stimpy may send back x server bit bit dvx level best redraw small area , unusual cases entire screen may need repainted 1024x768 screen 4 bits per pixel 's bits sent worst possible case 're looking 50 seconds reality would never bad since screen always parts higher level x calls really depends programs \( ie 're going see slowdown x bandwidth lot sooner apps network things also \) mean network things \? vision using ms windows windows applications network processes running server getting displays wondering good x subsequently dv x protocol transferring images x calls displaying client 's machine x designed ground efficient across network 's pretty good x programs best , dos text programs almost good \( since x easily \) something like hybrid intercept calls windows makes 's graphics driver mouse driver keyboard driver convert x calls windows making way designed efficient packet switched network go lot trouble convert level xlib calls , somewhat limited know windows applications tell us quarterdeck office systems gary rich problem resolution dept anonymous ftp site qdeck com write pricing ordering info info qdeck com technical questions support qdeck com quarterdeck bbs \( 310 \) 314 3227
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization oklahoma state university lines 72 article cronkite central sun com , dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) include right murder little children \? killing atf officers \? know much gun laws texas , koresh 's folks claimed grenades , grenade launchers , rocket launchers sure nra feels falls right bear arms waco wackos truly grenade launchers rocket launchers , n't used armored vehicles attacked house \? media stated small arms \( ie , ineffective \) fire used noticed special agent \( asshole actually \) ricks stated david koresh explosives could blow armored vehicle 40 feet air looked like bds plenty opportunity use explosives provided first place example , one tanks injecting cs gas ranch house \( yes ranch house bds n't living fortress \) could easily destroyed disabled tank idling considerable length time , n't \? could n't explosives similar munitions \? n't buy atf fbi saying hopefully , truth come 's something noteworthy fire burning time explosion occurred one explosion media said explosives bds going n't think case brother noticed called explosion resembled plume propane gas ignited figure explosion looked sounded obviously , n't due something like tnt , dynamite , c4 seen propane explosion explosion ranch house greatly resembled also , noticed something looked like propane tank charred ruble next day n't curious atf n't forthcoming four officers got killed \? many weeks gone stated officers killed wounded grenades thrown bds earlier , someone asked one whether autopsy performed slain agents , said autopsy done ready release findings \? atf something hide \? perhaps four agents killed friendly fire cause death exactly \? one ever said certain atf agents throw grenades compound matter fact , mr koresh handed lawyer grenade body one lawyer 's visits compound later lawyer gave grenade body \( n't know dud spent one btw \) atf much want bet grenade mysteriously disappear \? point time people know grenades atf agents would n't one ever found evidence grenades , rockets , explosives rubble \? atf would sure egg face note atf initial sweep rubble fbi texas rangers wo n't investigate atf done looks like perfect opportunity atf make sure others find want find know mean i'm probably little paranoid could reason recall several weeks gone anyone said bds used grenades also recall early atf denied agents used grenades bds someone lying scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization clark university lines 51 ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) writes hesitate make assumptions people write , neither two sound though kids , may spouses either wonder say \? n't see spouse kids would anything might brought kids game wanted get home time get bed reasonable hour \( case 'd probably decide take kids games weekends , many people , else prepared leave game early \) , say later , n't bring kids spouse game happens , husband kids , husband usually games extra innings could put well past midnight even without extra innings , score beyond 2 1 ca n't see family night next day , may bag well see 's problem n't bring wife ballgame , 's problem even game goes trim 2 1 2 hours far work next day , n't really understand 's necessary , unless going game also means consume vast quantities beer \( note case many guys \) n't think get go work long evening , n't long evenings week stuff enters consideration even going game say n't care whether game sped , saying n't care time goes , game people n't families n't get work next day look pay 8 00 20 00 apiece tickets , plus 10 00 parking , plus spending time energy driving boston , plus spending additional money concessions etc ballpark , see going game considerable investment time money ca n't afford go lot games hence , going game big deal , like going play opera maybe money go games year long , 's big deal i'm interested games sped , want die cut convenient version two hours felt going night game week would interfere family life work life , 'd choose go weekend game heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
ttrusk mcw edu \( thomas trusk \) subject krillean photography reply ttrusk mcw edu organization medical college wisconsin \( milwaukee , wi \) lines 24 nntp posting host pixel mcw edu medical college wisconsin article efi com efi com \( alan morgan \) writes article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis bad example i'm atheist flame , abuse , want start another thread \( , , supposed image processing \) , say 're atheist suggest proof god politically correct skeptic , better go agnostic , like ! \) dr thomas trusk dept cellular biology anatomy email ttrusk mcw edu medical college wisconsin milwaukee , wi \( 414 \) 257
derry nextwork rose hulman edu \( john derry \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization computer science department rose hulman lines 33 reply derry nextwork rose hulman edu \( john derry \) nntp posting host 137 112 30 46 article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes wondering one thing , actually two \( hope proper place post subject \) lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell thanks camter28 astro ocis temple edu happens \( heard discussed northern exposure \) molecular molecules battery molecules concrete acts ufos \( actually crew members \) arrive scene battery concrete combination proceed suck energy batteries ! remedy set battery floor jack
raj phys ksu edu \( raj \) subject needed plotting package organization kansas state university lines 28 nntp posting host phys ksu edu alta oh com chris zeus alta oh com \( chris murphy \) writes article full gl dolphin pts mot com , full gl pts mot com \( glen fullmer \) writes looking graphics cad whatever package x unix box take file records like hi , see roger 's response help network visualization comp graphics visualization could someone please post roger 's response \? point could find \? thanks lot , raj dept physics raj phys ksu edu kansas state university manhattan , ks raj dept physics raj phys ksu edu kansas state university manhattan , ks
menes statistik tu muenchen de \( rainer menes \) subject quadra clock chip followup keywords quadra , clock , oscillator originator menes statistik tu muenchen de organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 87 replaced 66 mhz yesterday quadra works 33 mhz stable 14 hours also tried 70 mhz , 1 2 hour quadra 700 died sure reason , risky run fast quadras 700 work 33 mhz without problems safety tip backup harddisk befor start upgrade 35 mhz test damaged harddisk get working backup befor start ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! speedometer results replacing speedometer report menes rainer prepared april 22 , 1993 machine record version 5 user comment quadra 700 33mhz ram disk 20 mbyte ram 2 mbyte vram system information computer mac quadra 700 cpu fpu integral fpu mmu integral mmu color quickdraw 2 30 \( 32 bit qd \) system version 7 1 6 finder version d1 7 1 appletalk version 57 laserwriter version d1 7 1 2 laser prep version found imagewriter version d1 7 0 1 rom version rom size 1024 bit depth 1 horizontal dpi 72 vertical dpi 72 primary screen size 832 x 624 physical ram logical ram p r results \( uses mac classic 1 0 \) cpu 21 625 graphics 30 052 disk 28 351 name hard disk tested ram disk math 135 128 performance rating \( pr \) 36 848 benchmark results \( uses mac classic 1 0 \) 1500 000 205 479 789 27 008 towers 24 960 22 391 bubble sort 23 823 queens 24 105 puzzle 28 804 permutations 26 523 fast fourier 167 728 f p matrix multiply 154 452 integer matrix multiply 30 250 sieve 25 602 benchmark average 63 427 fpu tests \( uses mac ii 1 0 \) fast fourier 14 636 fpu 545 7 636 fpu f p matrix mult 14 333 fpu test average 12 202 color tests \( uses mac ii 1 0 \) black white 6 395 4 colors 6 773 16 colors 6 957 256 colors 7 color test average 6 785 interesting graphics results \( graphics 30 052 \) could n't belief , true two points cause problems 4 mbyte ram solder board 80ns rams run 33 mhz next part may cause trouble video rams 100ns apple quadra , also chips running n't run parts quadra board running wn wont make question neat new heat sink would say running quadra 14 hours heat sink really cool 33 mhz 486 heat sink mutch warmer 68040 quadra , n't see problems room 22 celsius \( 72 f \) living area hot 100 f \( 45 c \) room mutch would suggest new heat sink ventilator stay safe side hope success , rainer email menes statistik tu muenchen de
klier iscsvax uni edu subject allergic reactions laser printers \? \? organization university northern iowa lines 10 article 1993apr29 informatik tu muenchen de , rdd uts ipp garching mpg de \( reinhard drube \) writes anyone know allergic reactions caused developer toner laser printers \? chemical stuff involved \? mainly carbon dust iron plastic binder melted paper stuff dry paper allergies \? n't heard , anything 's possible allergies \) kay klier biology dept uni
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 distribution na lines 15 kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote agree , hard feeling believing grand grand mother told elves dancing outside early mornings preferred accept , even statement provided truth life hard kent , truly brilliant rebuttal apparently opinion ridicule suitable substitute reason 'll find plenty company bill
wittenberg edu subject macintosh lab ! ! ! help ! ! ! organization wittenberg university lines 56 nntp posting host wittenberg edu interesting school discussing installing mac lab 10 15 stations bio 100 103 classes study pig \( joke \) deal get grant study feasible via computer via real thing problem somehow drawn project \( done students want go mac know nada , man mac man campus , guess came \? \) know would probably best hardware fill list \? right looking c650 8 80 2vx 5 80 platforms ok goes using cd rom , ought go internal apple cd roms offered options 650 vx go external matter price reliability , second important much ram \? thinking 5 8 leaning towards 8 \? think \? ok , called apple educational discounts said keyboard \( extended \) 160 30 better go apple long time great wear tear record , 3rd party extended keyboard reliable \? price \? printers one color printer presently leaning thermal wax \( probably e going limit access n't needed 's \) , think terms color printers \? different brand \? kind \( dye \? ink jet \? \) price \? companies \? 1800 \? also , looking get laser printer network whole lab printing runner apple \( right n't notes \? \) suggestions \? kids using things day lab goes know nothing part reliable , easy maintain , economical \( ie , high priced paper , etc \) finally , little dig project things \? ether nearby would like slap macs net , , server \? individual ether \? forget going priced school going laugh ask \? little info , poli sci major happens know alot macs bit league , mention n't time go look stuff hoping collective resources net help \( \) shameless plug buy empower ! ! ! great security program ! ! ! disclaimer post never supported university condone way using media info bio majors real persons please send email make real clear wittenberg edu damn hope editor alive get done typing another stupid blank post reserve right claim info mine use get everything want form universities red taped administration info may used blackmail purposes obtaining undo amounts praise god like status info may also used get credits really n't deserve ned questions \? thanks ahead time ! ! collective genius internet , scott sauer
av uta fi \( arto v \) subject funet fi reply av uta fi \( arto v \) distribution world organization university tampere , finland lines 26 nntp posting host reply perry wswiop15 win tue nl 's message 20 apr 93 19 01 58 gmt 20 apr 93 19 01 58 gmt , perry wswiop15 win tue nl \( perry egelmeers \) said perry nntp posting host wswiop15 win tue nl perry vnet ibm com writes saw posting earlier refered funet fi directory pub msdos however , log funet fi cant even find pub directory let alone msdos directory ! ! ! ! someone tell i'm wrong \? \? perry perhaps try nic funet fi instead funet fi \? \? ! \? ! \? another possibility , give email address password anonymous account , see following message 230 230 entered invalid password , accessing 230 restricted subset files please read readme information 230 special access features , see file readme 230 last updated tue apr 13 23 45 09 1993 9 4 days ago happen , terminal emulator generate ' ' character think \( hard see , since passwords echoed \) arto v internet av cs uta fi university tampere , x 400 av ou cs ut admd c fi finland
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 71 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com \( david madden \) writes article ucdavis edu , ez027993 chip ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) writes want speed ballgames \? 3 mandate rule permitting n seconds pitches \( current rule lenient \) , enforce fifteen seconds please pardon ignorance well known , current rule \? enough time pitch n't released 15 , call ball , restart clock remember post last year indicating pitch clock tried one minor leagues time back work n't remember said work anyone remember \? jody wip phil saying pitch clock inevitable would pitch clock work throws first \? maybe could limit number throws first pitcher make , award balk exceeds 'd another question would operate pitch clock \? one umpires \? add another one crew \? another pair suggestions 1 remove balk rule runners responsibility stay safe matter pitcher i'm sure like idea think would severely diminish number stolen bases limit availability neat strategic hit run squeeze play \( one personal favorites \) 2 pitcher throws occupied base x time \( x 3 5 \) without successfully picking runner , runner advances base walked ahhh ! suppose read whole article hit key , eh \? obviously , wrote , like idea balk seems give pitcher advantage base walk allows runner challenge pitcher throw base may also increase number wild throws bag , since pitcher knows n't many chances pick runner , may hurry much 'd rather see runs scored result sound hitting sound baseball strategy rather sloppiness could result kind rule , suppose disadvantages idea baseball games take 2 51 nl , shade 3 hours al 's damn long n't like play 3 hour games , much less watch game long butt falls asleep , i'm watching tv , 'll channel surf pitches , catching versions mr ed , leave beaver , wacky nick nite , find surfing know enough time pitch allow batter adjust remember little league , bat stepped batter 's box , even moment , automatically may little harsh majors , seriously , putting limit batters able step , take several dozen practice swings , pound shoes , scratch balls , etc \? maybe forcing stay batter 's box would n't bad idea could save minutes randy
warren atmos washington edu \( david warren \) subject viewing postscript files x windows article dry warren organization dept atmospheric sciences , university washington lines 9 nntp posting host dry atmos washington edu reply bull nl 's message wed , 12 may 1993 20 28 40 gmt subject ghostscript , also solve earlier request converting postscript hpgl filter interleaf david warren internet warren atmos washington edu \( 206 \) 543 uucp uw beaver ! atmos washington edu ! warren dept atmospheric sciences , ak 40 university washington e pubs library committee representative vice chair
itu1 \( \) subject et4000 linear mode \? \? article hippo 1993apr22 organization rhodes university , grahamstown , south africa lines 10 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 hi heard linear mode et4000 , 1mb video memory linearly instead usual 64k pages anyone know \? enable address video memory mapped \? stellenbosch , rsa cs sun ac za
quartz ufl edu \( bill \) subject trees organization uf ee department lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host ufl edu keywords tree growth i'm working senior project uf \( florida \) project requires trees i'm interested either psuedo real code anything help perhaps good books subject could help mail reach quartz ufl edu thanks bill
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject usa mcweekly stats 93108 vma cc nd edu 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu lines 36 article 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu , gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) says rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes article franjion spot colorado edu , franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) says also , impression reading group bill james elias bunch money grubbing jerks whose mission charge much baseball statistical info bill james \? yeah sure bill james players rating book \? uh , bill james n't sell statistics sells books statistics , business providing stats like elias , stats , howe , baseball workshop etc greg funny , seems stats major league minor league , nothing collections statistics , authored bill james stats inc \( howe , minor league handbook \) sure 1993 bill james player ratings book qualifies book statistics , elias analyst statistics book analyst contains stats , sure , also contains dialogue finally , point word statistics money grubbing n't see anyone looked bill james player ratings book cannot consider money grubbing bob vesterman
george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) subject 1994 mustang distribution world organization goucher college , towson , md reply george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) lines 19 current 4 9l v 8 soldier two years version 32 valve modular v 8 mark viii could offered unfortunate anyone loves simplicity 302 351 fords 305 350 built still , provide needed punch ford stay new firebird camaros would n't surprise ford called engine 5 0 litre mustang \( know current 5 0 really 4 9 litres anyway \) , car looks ok , nearly exciting new camaro firebird , imo must agree n't think 've seen anything impressive looking new firebird since friend back home sold 1970 formula 400 firebird \( paltry 2000 , without even telling bastard \) george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
stein u washington edu \( \) subject one way omaha seattle plane ticket 5 9 female keywords ticket , omaha , nebraska article shelley organization university washington lines 7 nntp posting host stein u washington edu one way omaha seattle ticket name west travel 5 9 must picked omaha airport thereabouts 5 6 continental airlines make offer reply hamp hampshire edu
warren warren laplace biology yale edu subject mac superdrives read unix disks \? x xxmessage id kstar node net yale edu x xxdate sat , 24 apr 93 11 33 30 gmt nntp posting host kstar node net yale edu organization yale university x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d12 lines 7 anyone know program utility enable mac read unix \( e next \) 3 5 disks \? thanks , warren warren laplace biology yale edu
minh bigwpi wpi edu \( minh pham \) subject dana weick still organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 119 nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu l k n g f r n w e c k crook deal ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! please help looking dana weick month ago made deal net sell memory , 100 486 66 cpu thought deal great , went sent memory cod 100 suppose send cpu receive cod payment 4 8 93 send message sent cpu 4 16 93 two weeks , n't receive cpu send numerous message asking confirmation cpu ship , address send \( make sure n't get lost mail \) never reply mail finally resorted calling arizona first call n't get throught , got answering machine left number n't reply call next day pick phone asked send cpu said yes , n't know address sent said would check record home call back next day suprise , never called send email messages , never reply \( , deal made , reply every message , got memory , wo n't even reply \) still calling , wo n't pick phone also still emailing , wo n't reply mail one know dana weick , please contact reach dana weick w las phoenix , az \( 602 \) 925 day time business number \( 602 \) 842 evenings home number email address weick master lds az loral com deal weick master lds az loral com wed mar 17 20 09 20 1993 72 pin simms n't hot sellers , pick upgrade market 140 160 quite often best 486dx2 66 100 ok got deal , 'll trade 4 \( simms \) intel 486dx2 66 100 need address , ship via cod 'll pay shipping handling simms arrive , 100 charge part send cpu via cod possible address way , cpu warranty \? great , send simms dana weick w las phoenix , az \( 602 \) 925 \( days \) \( 602 \) 842 \( evenings \) would prefer us mail , 2nd day priority \( costs 2 90 \) cpu brand new , install correctly \( meaning n't plug backwards bend pins \) 'll warranty 6 months thanks 4 8 send said got cod payment asked cpu sent yet cpu sent yet \? replied 4 9 glad cod payment got ok , cpu sent keep eyes careful install , careful static discharge , bending pins insertion make absolutely certain plug chip proper orientation chip checked prior shipping cook plugging backwards wo n't real sympathetic ! n't know tell orientation chip installed , guess ! dana weick update call sunday , wife debbie picked phone said busy kids , would call back 10 half house went , weick n't called called , phone since post , people mail saying dana weick ripped got something guy years getting away minh pham e mail minh wpi wpi edu worcester polytechnical institute
drozinst db erau edu \( drozinski tim \) subject ulf organization embry riddle aeronautical university , daytona beach , fl usa lines 48 nntp posting host lambda db erau edu joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) writes way , belong nhl cheap shot artists history game , lot players bobby clarke , kenny , pie mckenzie , chris chelios etc nobody right dirty coward ulf violence hockey got players like \( women \) samuelson n't belong players like ulf , 's main purpose injure better players league allowed continue , league wo n't stop , players christian pro 1000 aluminum stick directed ugly head trick nicely bruins get chance meet pittsburgh near future , bet neely day sight watching ulf turtle like coward , worth almost much cup wimp player almost ruined career one best right wingers game remove ulf samuelson lineup , penguins would even notice 's gone 's game hockey rich rich , pull head ass joseph stiehm aluminum stick taken ulf 's head gonna solve problem violence sport hockey hell say guy goon justify , back mentality \? saying hurting player solve anyone 's problems new rules new referee system need instituted right , many real goons get away much , ref watching play \( supposed 've seen van hellemond , name , heads asses calls \) rather keeping eye behind play even linesmen able call penalties , would improvement tim drozinski drozinst db erau edu chew electric death , ! spaceman spiff
paull hplabsz hpl hp com \( robert paull \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization hewlett packard laboratories palo alto , ca lines 14 x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 mr nice guy \( rcanders nyx cs du edu \) wrote branch davidians violent planning start violence bd compound assaulted atf bd fire back agreed cease fire allowed atf care wounded bd even released atf agents captured clear release agents allowing atf medical attention bd looking trouble first 've heard bd capturing releasing atf agents info \? rob p
cs902060 ariel yorku ca \( geoffrey e dias \) subject pitcher get save \? organization york university , toronto , canada lines 4 subject line says rule qualifies pitcher making save \?
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization delco electronics corp lines 19 article 1993apr22 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) writes article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know thing friend ford \( era early 60 's \) v4 lost bet find hard believe recent cars v4 recent ones \? spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject street stories organization stratus computer , inc lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 zeus calpoly edu , tuba calpoly edu \( sean lawrence parker \) writes caught last bit street stories segment woman guns caught eye two woman shown program mass carrying concealed obtain ccw mass \? \( ordinary citizen \) ccw 's issued discretion police chief , varies town town town , forget anything target sport \( carry gun club hunting area \) unless 're mr large daily deposits \( life n't worth shit , money , 's important \) towns , treat law abiding citizens like adults secret game hint never know rules changed change police chief throw town either side board fun whole family ! chiefs grant personal protection permit attacked threatened blue suited assholes known count negative applicants 's crap shoot , rights stakes cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
malcolm uucp \( malcolm crosby \) subject forsale scsi controller reply ! malcolm oh us distribution na organization personal uucp system lines 8 forsale one scsi controller a2000 make offer e malcolm crosby internet kent edu e mail ! malcolm oh us \( e mail please \)
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject median \? \? \? new study gay percentage organization santa cruz lines 41 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article darkstar ucsc edu , stephen orchid ucsc edu writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low note contradictory title gay activity low really percentage gays low headline writers n't noted accuracy stated study presented accurate dependable way confusing issue read title implies gay sex \( homosexual sex \) activities low compared general population surveyed new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual actually , 2 either exclusively homosexual , bisexual n't carefully well let us quibble look statement posted , marked ' ' , states 1 exclusively homosexual states 2 engaged homosexual sex please use adjective homosexual sex stated take 1 valid viewpoint believe either 1 \) writing think writing , 2 \) ca n't read remember wrote
jamesc netcom com \( james chuang \) subject info cyrix 486dru2 chip \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 64 seems lot questions regarding cyrix 386 compatible 486dlc 486dru2 info comes directly cyrix 's fast fax service also installing one chips ibm model 80 486dlc 486 instruction set compatible cpu fits 386dx socket \( pin grid array , pga \) dlc currently available 3 speeds 25 , 33 , 40 coprocessor board , software query return present guess emulate instructions math functions 386dx level without actual coprocessor internal cache 486dlc 1k cyrix literature claims 85 hit rate informal tests show cache accounts 10 performance boost enabled software overall performance boost 386dx 25 486dlc 25 60 benchmarks used nu si performance , cache enabled , par 386dx 40 256k external cpu cache , around performance 486sx 25 computer runs faster , dos 6 dblspace complaining company claims os 2 compatibility , n't test 486dru2 chip , commonly thought 486dru2 actually small daughterboard slightly larger 386dx , contains logic manage clock board plugs 386dx pga , 486dlc 33 40 plugs board guess board doubles frequency apparent cpu , insert wait states access rest system required info available cyrix anyway , available 386dx 16 , 386dx 20 double clock rates , get 32mhz 40mhz cyrix planning thing 50 , need put 50mhz first also tested motherboard , along cyrix coprocessor 64k external cache , performance 30 faster 25 , still significantly \( 25 \? \) slower actual intel 486dx imho , dlc great , low price upgrade people ca n't afford , ca n't install , new motherboard definitely worth paid , need 486dx 33 performance , wo n't cut i'm sure dlc 40 , think even matches performance , wo n't beat significant way last time posted info dlc , people sent quite bit mail , asking got got mine treasure chest peripherals , advertise computer shopper 1 800 677 486dlc 25 kit 179 00 liked chip much found supplier , became dealer interested chip , e mail , fax mail info i'm well aware net 's policy commercial use , post anymore info however , questions regarding 486dlc , 'll post jamesc 909 396 someone asks god , say yes !
anovak twain ucs umass edu \( tree \) subject rush limbaugh 's address \( oops \) organization usr users anovak organization lines 30 nntp posting host twain ucs umass edu think n't get posted \( 've reading usenet longest time , never much interest posting recently \) typed written mr limbaugh , loathe use name rush association , unworthy name common greatest musicians time , band , rush address , wanted compuserve com wrapped respond , maybe better luck \) bye ! tree k andy novak anovak titan ucs umass edu anovak twain ucs umass edu tree k andy novak anovak titan ucs umass edu anovak twain ucs umass edu
pookie crd ge com \( janet barnett \) subject help badmatch making 24bit win 8bit server ! ! nntp posting host pookie crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny lines 28 article 1993apr30 cci dk cci dk \( henrik w nielsen \) writes i'm trying make 24 bit window using xcreatewindow 8 bit pseudocolor server far know possible stuff deleted xio xcreatewindow \( xio dspptr , rootwindow \( xio dspptr , xio scr \) , x , , w , h , 0 , 24 , inputoutput , , 0 , setwinattrib \) results badmatch error anyone please tell \? colormap element setwinattrib must legitimate truecolor colormap , use xcreatecolormap \( \) proper visual use setwinattrib \( n't forget mask ! \) inevitable caveat usually use widgets , setting visual colormap resources rather direct x routines , could wrong , think general difficulty allen barnett \( whose wife graciously allowed use account \)
hatton socrates ucsf edu \( tom hatton \) subject challenge microsoft supporters distribution usa organization ucsf computer graphics lab lines 30 mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com \( mike dahmus \) writes 1993may13 microsoft com microsoft com \( jim francis \) writes note working ms past 2 years developer past 13 os 2 technically superior windows considering ms makes money per copy os 2 sold ibm co wrote differences os 2 1 2 os 2 1 3 os 2 1 3 half memory requirements os 2 1 3 quicker even half memory os 2 1 3 much stable oh , one thing ibm os 2 1 3 yes , lot os 2 2 0 common os 2 1 x written guys however , many things made os 2 2 0 much successful \( win os 2 , workplace shell \) previous versions ibm work co wrote may technically accurate , 's really red herring , bits selling product n't written n't forget seamless win apps os 2 ms could n't \( viz \) ibm managed right tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu \( 415 \) 476
dean fringe rain com \( dean woodward \) subject buy first bike , etc organization organization mass confusion lines 20 bclarke galaxy gov bc ca writes lot posts lately wanna buy first bike gsxr zx cbr fzr good bike learn \? etc think i'm going put together faq buying new bike ravi used po one time bruce clarke b c environment e mail bclarke galaxy gov bc ca make buying first bike new bike generally good first bike dean woodward want step world \? dean fringe rain com 's socio psychotic state bliss '82 virago 920 guns'n'roses , 'my world' dod 0866
ctp com \( atul \) subject dce rpc , threads , x motif clients organization cambridge technology partners lines 9 nntp posting host luna ctp com anyone used dce threads x client \? possible one thread listening incoming another processes x events \? set something like \? atul \( ctp com \)
clavazzi nyx cs du edu \( doge \) subject educational pricing x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept distribution usa lines 25 article cs dal ca hayes ug cs dal ca \( kevin b hayes \) writes 1993apr15 leland stanford edu leland stanford edu \( steven jin chang \) writes seems confusion educational discounts true apple different dealer price educational retail vendors , price differences great 5 maybe , end user price like 10 20 less canada anyway 's worth , experience educational discount \( taken advantage , teacher \) roughly equivalent corporate discounts i'm able get employee fairly large multi state corporation , usually least good one get one discount computer chains \( e g compusa \) purposes budget estimation around , usually knock around 20 srp doge south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator \( tm \) one step beyond sundays , 3 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio 'll pay know really think ! j r bob dobbs
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject wanted police officers answer posting nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 29 article viking ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes get verbal warning 146 55 cock ! story obviously complete fabrication , 'll show ames , road leads little town establishes story takes place iowa gilbert gilbert one stop light , tells something gotten bike back together , thought 'd take short ride check things heading town , went slow pace , speed limit , iowa \? ! \? ! \? come dan , dumb think \? could least thrown llama tennis ball reference hell , n't even get speed right dean ps \) dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
castle ed ac uk \( ben hambidge \) subject committing life god \? organization edinburgh university lines 42 hi everyone , i'm trying find way god , find difficult ca n't hear god talking , letting know exists knows , feel ca n't possibly get know maybe talking n't know understand listen christians tell \( opinion \) way find god take plunge commit life , discover idea diving totally unknown little bit frightening , questions 1 \) actually commit \? say , ok god , go , i'm committing life , would n't really feel 'd listened least , could n't sure one \( \) commit oneself god \? 2 \) committing way , forfeit current life \? longer \? feel i'm 'good' many christians , try uphold idea n't go round killing people , stealing , etc , try get jealous people way would say keep standards treating people well many christians give \? 3 \) committed , \? involve \? \( \) burdens taking \? 4 \) , 's general difference \? assume , \( like birthday n't suddenly feel year older \) wo n't suddenly change life day commit happens \? 5 \) sure right thing \? find last sentence actually \? ! thanks much help answering questions perhaps e mail would better way reply , 's ben castle ed ac uk janet uk ac ed castle \( 20 year old university scotland \)
dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction article spdcc 1993apr27 organization p dyer computer consulting , cambridge lines 24 article 1993apr26 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes neither bacteria much important dealing diarrhea problem diarrhea problem \? diarrhea problem \? first , candidal frequent problem antibiotic therapy , cases antibiotic related diarrhea anything candida case vaginal candidiasis oral thrush antibiotic therapy n't going surprise anyone either 's people disagreeing anti fungals , low carbohydrate diet vitamin supplementation may help minimize local irritation good bacteria take control food supply lower ph basically starve candida oh , really \? 'd come \? know , 's really appalling see try comment authoritatively clinical matters bizarre synthesis reading reports literature bobbing citations research literature n't medicine hope 're giving wrong idea medical students steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! dyer
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject bowman needs credit organization university toronto chemistry department lines 22 article andrew cmu edu matthew keating andrew cmu edu writes first three games pens devils series , impressed time time pure talent pens jagr , barrasso especially fun watch , one element team goes unnoticed seems scotty bowman bowman hockey hall fame coach already unlike gil stein n't get stacking board directors ! \) one replace genius optimism badger bob johnson , bowman , way , made permanent , though clearly seen , mark pittsburgh bowman genius johnson n't bowman great coach johnson , good one however , bowman really modern coach , patrick 's solution run team game days , delegate day day assistants shrewd managerial decision patrick 's part gerald
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject peace talks nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 47 article 1993may15 news columbia edu pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) writes article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article 1993may13 nysernet org astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) writes seems , keep peace talks going , israel keep making goodwill gesture goodwill gesture , palestinian arabs continue go around hunting jews know putting something like newsgroup going generate flames , discussion try adding substance issue gestures mentioned feel israel offered gesture \? would \( realistically \) expect see presented arabs palestinians way gesture \? , israel recognized state arabs , except egypt , course n't gesture \? israel offered \? well , calling peace talks 45 years , asked economic relations , asked diplomatic ties else \? would israel sacrifice security \? nay , think peace , pete yea , think also israel 's 1 issue security outcomes negotiation certainly need address perception issue problem defining \( outsiders , israel , arabs \) 1 issue arab side palestinian statehood , israel state must allowed exist , existence self governing non muslim state islamic world intolerable \? dividing line israel fighting security israel fighting expand often hard discern outsiders \( especially arab world \) , rationale behind arab struggle undermine israel way could either based sense still values peace , knows anyway , talks , gestures would think would seen israel substantial \? tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
mts wam umd edu \( \) subject ibm link imagewriter nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 29 article 24 uupcb ozonehole com chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) writes 04 20 93 21 25 , larry henson unmitigated gall say lh hello , trying hook apple imagewriter ibm clone lh seem problem configuring lpt port accept lh adjust baud , parity , etc fit system \? tried mode , lh work anyone help , post e mail thanx lpt ports n't recognize baud , parity , etc settings might connect serial printer parallel port try attach serial port printer serial port pc use mode command set com port settings try c mode com1 , 9600 , n , 8 , 1 set port parameters use mode command redirect printer port lpt1 like c mode lpt1 com1 work good luck ! first need connect null modem cable atleast thats 've heard dave
mikefran wam umd edu \( michael francis \) subject 1981 volkswagon scirocco sale nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park distribution csc , um , dc , local lines 35 mikefran wed apr 21 11 08 28 edt 1993 article 56 csc general newsgroups dc forsale , dc general , um general , csc general path wam umd edu ! mikefran mikefran wam umd edu \( michael francis \) subject car sale message id 1993apr21 wam umd edu keywords 1981 volkswagon scirocco sender usenet wam umd edu \( usenet news system \) nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization workstations maryland , university maryland , college park distribution csc , um , dc date wed , 21 apr 1993 14 27 29 gmt 1981 volkswagon scirocco gold exterior interior 5 speed transmission fm stereo cassette sunroof engine good condition new tires needs 300 work front left control arm damage caused runs well asking 800 00 obo email mikefran wam umd edu
andrew tech umbc edu \( andrew williams \) subject error beeps boot organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 15 nntp posting host tech umbc edu servicing machine \( hp 286 \) whenever thing starts get 4 beeps powerup anyone know error message signifies \? n't seem problem machine lady using concerned n't love hp computers \? \? \? responses e mail read net post andrew acs micro computer network technical support university maryland baltimore county andrew tech umbc edu
cam athena mit edu \( daniel cameron daly \) subject selling powerbook 100s organization massachusetts institute technology lines 10 distribution world nntp posting host w20 575 105 mit edu pb 100 might selling soon upgrade duo graduation , take advantage educational discount recently bought sold pb 100 , kind price get \? info config pb100 appreciated thanks cam daly phone \( 617 \) 225 internet cam athena mit edu 550 memorial dr fights runs away , cambridge 02139 lives nuke site orbit
alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality lines 29 mc theory creationism theistic view theory mc creationism , \( many others \) stated genesis mc 1 beginning god created heavens earth order creation accept \? story creation one many places bible story contradicts following example gen 1 25 god made beast earth kind , cattle kind , every thing upon earth kind god saw good gen 1 26 god said , let us make man image , let dominion fish sea , air , cattle , earth , every creeping thing upon earth gen 2 18 lord god said , good man alone make help meet gen 2 19 ground lord god formed every beast field , every air brought unto adam see would call whatsoever adam called every living creature , name thereof even bible cannot agree things created believe \? alan
support qdeck com \( technical support \) subject desqview x tcp ip reliable \? implemented \? organization quarterdeck office systems , santa monica ca lines 46 article kem cs columbia edu ethan cs columbia edu \( ethan solomita \) writes three q 's 1 \) reliable \? use day every day \( maintaining ftp site answering mail via support qdeck com \) , honestly say last months 've never machine go due sort tcpip network manager instability \( course , 've crashed machine quite times purpose , beta testing sort thing , tcpip portion quite stable \) however , keep mind dvx network managers going stable software sit top \( underlying network kernel , ca n't expect dvx terribly stable \) 2 \) send information ms windows app x11 protocol \? draw everything graphics one window , use multiple windows essentially work cleverly \? goes window graphics drawn \( vastly simplify goes , take windows graphics api calls , translate directly x protocol unfortunately , windows really written network aware , sometimes see speed penalty app something stupid , like sending big white bitmap erase something rather drawing white box fortunately , sort thing rare \) 3 \) want run ms word , example , remotely , run separate copy ms windows remotely , start ms word , ms word started remotely \? need run ms windows , word runs inside could run multiple windows programs within one window , windows ways start start windows , practice 's really major problem system set run , automatically starts word full screen \( windows \) , never see part windows word \) quarterdeck office systems internet support tom pricing ordering info qdeck com tech questions support qdeck com bbs \( 310 \) 314 3227 fax \( 310 \) 314 3217 compuserve go quarterdeck anonymous ftp qdeck com \( 149 17 8 10 \) , leave email address password
cs mcgill ca \( jeffrey chance \) subject peace run '93 nntp posting host binkley cs mcgill ca organization mcgill university , montreal , canada lines 134 welcome peace run 're invited join global relay run help light way peace run 's new spirit nineties spirit oneness , growing belief possibility true global peace goal sri oneness home peace run simple bring spirit forward concrete way , transform reality lives every year , thousands men , women children 70 nations passing flaming peace torch hand hand join together relay run virtually circles globe political cultural boundaries , go nation nation across mountains , jungles deserts carrying message brotherhood humankind person holds runs peace torch lights path follow time peace torch changes hands , flame oneness burns little brighter one day shine hearts minds every individual earth making history three peace runs since 1987 achieved historic break middle east , landmark run crossed egyptian israeli border europe , precedent setting run linked eastern western europe russia united states , mexico canada , entire cities dedicated cause world peace poland , peace torch blessed pope john paul ii speaking one world leaders , celebrities peace run support leaders world presidents , prime ministers , religious leaders , sports figures entertainment personalities message spread half billion people though newspaper reports , magazine articles radio tv broadcasts , including pbs , mtv nbc 's today show happy support peace run justice , peace reconciliation world must know god wants us live brothers sisters , members one family , human family , god 's family archbishop desmond , nobel peace prize winner works peace run 1993 started five relay new york city saturday april 17 , various points lead opening ceremony outside united nations dag building , runners around world gathered fourth lighting peace torch , peace torches transported seventy countries series concurrent international cross country relay runs including united states , canada , japan , australia , russia eastern western europe smaller runs take place philippines , mexico , israel , south america , egypt elsewhere africa distance covered 31 , 000 miles peace run wil much inspire hearts stimulate minds support , participate , witness , hear event carl lewis , six time olympic gold 's behind peace run sponsored sri marathon team , international running organization believes sports powerful instrument promoting world peace year team puts hundreds athletic events , including several world class , , dozens countries peace run inspired global peace ambassador sri , written extensively peace , offered hundreds free peace concerts met countless world figures advance cause international harmony run managed peace runs international , non profit organization based united states take step peace peace runs 1987 , 1989 1991 attracted nearly half million participants 're expecting even people join peace run '93 also join run carrying peace torch steps , blocks miles come cheer runners carry torch community also join local celebrities government officials one thousands welcoming ceremonies scheduled along 70 nation route inner support important 're runner , time go , dedicate run cause world peace next step make one peace information contact peace runs international 161 44 normal road , ny usa tel 718 291 fax 718 291 peace run canada street halifax , nova scotia tel 902 425 1174 fax 902 420 phone number address peace run office town country , reply message e mail
tas pegasus com \( len howard \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? organization pegasus , honolulu lines 14 article may 7 01 09 04 1993 athos rutgers edu easteee wkuvx1 bitnet writes hello , question satan taught long time ago satan really angel god kicked heaven challenged god 's authority problem , cannot find bible bible \? , originate \? wondering , eddie hi eddie , many people believe battle described rev 12 7 12 describes casting satan heaven fall earth shalom , len howard
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 63 nntp posting host orbit src umd edu article 3xd cbfsb cb att com sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry parts sen biden 's statement quoted washington post today let put plainly , mr secretary required speak cannot even begin express contempt european policy asking us participate amounts serbian victory encountered mosaic , , self delusion hypocrisy held coats kuwait somalia , asking us put thousand troops ground order right speak order implement new idea bosnians let 's words european policy based cultural religious , bigotry think 's fair say would entirely different situation muslims serbs done , muslim aggression instead serbian aggression bad washington post include next sentence , pointed consequence policy rising anger within islamic world , consequences cannot begin predict later , biden told reporter spoke think someone respond europe make clear big deal understand big deal refusing fundamental human right self defense bosnia herzegovina , europe world aided serbian aggression moreover , arms embargo forced situation bosnian serbs 10 times heavy weaponry bosnian croats muslims combined conditions , easy serbs play divide conquer game , get muslims croats \( strong common interests allied serbian aggression \) start fighting , leads mutual catastrophe one final quote u secretary state , warren christopher , said rome last week practice , embargo opposite effect intended made aggression certain diplomats deluded could negotiate peace enforcing 10 1 imbalance power ground contributed tragedy sincerely , josip
ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) subject setting slip client dos windows \( long \) organization cwru school medicine lines 468 distribution comp nntp posting host axa12 slip dialin cwru edu summary get slip going pc keywords slip , phone , cslipper , winqvt net posting monthly setup slip client pc posts months lots work , imminent graduation come way posting one march earlier month apologize file includes information writing script university minnesota phone , also batch file hack lets use packet drivers phone additions , modifications corrections , reached ashok biochemistry cwru edu best wishes , ashok begin slip txt based experiences setting slip dos windows , comments setting slip environment thank trumpet beta testers cwru slip beta testers comments configuring modem \) turn dtr \( d0 w \) disable dtr communication program use dial slip server \( \) drops dtr exit program therefore hangs line use program like kermit establish slip connection , need done programs necessarily hangup line exit note use univ minn phone dial establish slip connection , need turn dtr b \) dial establish slip connection first done automatically use program like phone \( university minnesota \) dial establish slip connection load slip packet driver phone scripting language simple phone scripts easily written configure phone work slip server addition , packet driver phone works umslip \( currently \) , easy write batch file hack lets phone work packet drivers section phone document script batch file examples configuring slip drivers five slip packet drivers commonly available cslipper exe peter tattam 's compressed slip driver slipper exe peter tattam 's slip driver slip8250 com crynwr driver \( like phil burn 's modified driver \) ethersl com crynwr driver \( ethernet simulation slip \) umslip com univ minnesota driver \( based slip8250 \) four , vastly prefer c slipper exe slip8250 com ethersl com following reasons \) much faster even though modem 16450 uart b \) using slip8250 umslip , several others noticed pc clock gets messed performing long ftp transfer c \) supports pktmux used ethernet simulation mode \) used ethernet simulation mode c slipper seem work every tcp ip application tested instructions c slipper exe \( use phone \) \) load slipper autoexec bat file according instructions instance v 32bis modem com1 slipper com1 vec 62 baud 57600 b \) use dos tcp ip applications win 3 1 dos boxes , use double ended packet driver shim winpkt com creates virtual packet driver 0x60 dos applications native mode , dos applications windows 3 1 dos boxes windows applications use virtual driver 0x60 winpkt com 0x60 0x62 c \) use qvt net , load pktint com next qvt net configured qvtnet ini use interrupt 0x60 pktint com instructions slip8250 com \) try getting version 10 slip driver philip burns northwestern university modified slip8250 com driver better hardware handshaking driver distributed along b \) load driver establishing slip connection modem v 32bis modem com1 , would load driver slip8250 w 0x62 h 4 slip 57600 c \) discussed use dos tcp ip applications windows 3 x dos boxes , probably want use winpkt com winpkt com 0x60 0x62 \) use winqvt net , load pktint com pktint com instructions ethersl com choose use ethersl com instead slip8250 com , instructions exactly one crucial difference delete line device vcd 386enh section system ini interfere running regular windows comm applications \( crosstalk \) , get lots dropped characters etc applications therefore recommended would loaded ethersl w 0x62 h 4 57600 configuring windows 3 1 \) make following modifications system ini file 386enh section \) list com ports , addresses interrupts 4 3 5 also done within windows control panel , double clicking ports icon ii \) give port modem attached generous com buffer 10000 iii \) change com port value com port wish use modem zero amount time windows waits seconds handing control com port another application use winqvt net want switch one session another , value default value 2 seconds , get gpf windows crash 0 also done within windows control panel double click 386 enhanced , device contention , set device contention com port modem never warn additional notes assigned different ip address slip session \? fortunate campus slip server assigns user permanent ip address , worry editing qvtnet ini time establish slip connection assigned new ip address every occasion dial , please try use bootp aware software , let bootp configuration however , qvtnet bootp aware work slip connection get qvtnet working situation , must following edit qvtnet ini file let net section look like net name ip 255 255 255 0 \( whatever appropriate \) 20 packet vector 60 \( whatever appropriate \) save changes , write protect file r qvtnet ini start slip connection , remember name ip address assigned time start qvt net 3 1x , general configuration dialog box open enter name ip address assigned session , click ok , running changes make saved , qvtnet ini write protected elegant solution problem dynamic slip ip address assignment provided victor \( victor ccwf cc utexas edu \) victor uses program bootpq semi automate qvtnet preparation bootpq used inquire assigned ip , saved file called myip another file essentially complete qvtnet ini file lacks ip address final step myip copied single qvtnet ini file example victor 's batch file provided slipper com2 pktint com bootpq ip myip bootpq ip copy q net myip e com qvtnet qvtnet ini del q myip echo echo echo ready run winqvtnet questions details bootpq , please contact victor \( victor ccwf cc utexas edu \) software attempting add bootp capability winqvt net use pktmux slip \? pktmux work slip8250 com packet driver , crashes immediately used ethersl com pktmux work c slipper exe , c slipper used ethernet simulation mode example configuration shown latest release pktmux 1 2c important use version , want use virtual packet drivers applications like trumpet windows \( released shortly \) autoexec bat lh c slipper com1 vec 65 baud 57600 ether \( packet driver \) lh pktmux 5 65 5 \( pktmux loaded 5 virtual packet drivers \) lh pktdrv 7f 65 \( first virtual packet driver used qvt net \) lh pktint com \( qvt net pktint com \) pktdrv 63 65 \( pktdrv use native dos wintrumpet \) additional virtual packet drivers loaded directly within windows 3 1 dos boxes example , pif file load popmail directed file popmail bat popmail bat reads like pktdrv 60 65 loads virtual packet driver 0x60 cd popmail popmail cd pktdrv 60 u packet driver 0x60 exit causes dos window close similar batch files load dos tcp ip applications like pc gopher experience pktmux works fine even virtual packet drivers two independent virtual dos sessions , loaded software interrupt example within two different dos boxes one popmail gopher , virtual packet driver \( pktdrv \) loaded 0x60 instance much pktmux degrade performance c slipper \? v 32bis v 42bis modem 386 33 running windows 3 1 reasonably fast video card \( ati graphics ultra \) conditions , three virtual packet drivers loaded used follows \) driver qvtnet ftp client session b \) driver 0x60 one dos window tn3270 session c \) driver 0x60 another dos window trumpet dos get ftp transfer rates 0 8 1 0 kb sec transferring compressed files rate comparable get slip8250 loaded packet driver , single tcp ip session active cslipper used packet driver single session active , get transfer rates 1 3 1 4 kb sec files 40 degradation performance slipper , benefits able use pktmux outweigh performance hit c slipper ethernet simulation mode ethernet simulation mode , c slipper ver 1 3 works applications tested one two applications required ethernet simulation balked c slipper 1 2 , even rare problems resolved ver 1 3 slipper used ethernet simulation mode , used pktmux , get error message qvtnet console window reads ip incorrect packet type ip bad version number seem prevent qvtnet functioning , although cannot comment loss performance dos tcp ip application work c slipper ethernet simulation mode \? rare event find package work c slipper ethernet simulation mode , first contact author peter tattam peter psychnet psychol utas edu au , let know chances fix meanwhile , try following know kosher , worked problems c slipper ver 1 2 \( c slipper loaded 0x62 described pktmux section \) load ethersl com 0x60 , run application terminate ethersl com also works within windows 3 1 virtual dos boxes however packet driver like ethersl used one virtual dos box time example , batch file run grateful med \( medical reference retrieval program developed national library medicine \) ethersl w 0x60 h 4 57600 loads cd search cd termin 0x60 terminates exit closes dos box returns windows use method , cautious one thing n't active pktmux dos sessions open time closing ethersl window , run pktmux dos sessions problem btw , example grateful med , works problems c slipper ver 1 3 phone script files documentation accompany phone , provide good instructions writing script files get phone dial slip servers university minnesota server example script use dial cisco server university attend background start slip connection , dial terminal server , login username password , start slip session following command slip username slip dialin cwru edu , followed password relevant portion phone cmd script file cwru ts2 slip login script ashok aiyar 3 26 93 last revised 3 28 93 procedure host cwru login timeout 60 ts2 terminal server message cwru ts2 slip login script version 1 1 message slip server quiet expect message user verification received cwru message user name quiet expect ' send ' u ' expect ' private send ' p ' reject user name password timeout 30 server respond validation expect ts2 ' send ' timeout 10 server respond slip expect hostname address ' send ' u slip dialin cwru edu ' timeout 10 server respond reject ip address' expect ' send ' p ' reject accepted ' timeout 10 expect compression match system' message cwru slip server wait 1 0 host cwru login procedure host cwru logout nothing special needs done logout host cwru logout end script file use packet drivers umslip phone \? quick answer clean way batch file hack wrote use phone packet drivers example , packet driver peter tattam 's cslipper use batch file like , must know parameters plan use packet driver e interrupt vector , baud rate , port address , irq batch file requires umslip com , cslipper exe , termin com directory path batch file let dial slip connection using phone , load appropriate packet driver , hangup connection , unload driver done cwruslip bat echo rem batch file ugly hack u minn slip bat rem awaiting version c slipper directly interact rem phone rem cwruslip bat file used phone exe start slip rem connection cwru ts2 rem last modified 3 28 93 ashok aiyar echo goto start start 1 \? goto help 1 help goto help 1 setup goto setup 1 dial goto forced 1 hangup goto 1 quit goto 1 help goto help 1 setup goto setup 1 dial goto forced 1 quit goto goto bogus goto unload termin 0x60 umslip phone force hangup goto unload slipper termin 0x60 rem following line must changed reflect com port , rem irq , baud rate , software interrupt lh c packet cslipper com1 vec 60 baud 57600 ether goto end forced termin 0x60 umslip phone force dial goto slipper setup termin 0x60 umslip phone setup goto help unload termin 0x60 goto end bogus echo 1 valid command echo try cwruslip help list valid commands echo help echo echo case western reserve university slip setup echo using univ minnesota phone echo echo cwruslip setup modem settings , phone number , username etc echo echo cwruslip dial dial establish slip connection echo cwruslip quit hangup phone unload driver echo cwruslip help screen echo end end cwruslip bat get peter tattam 's programs archived ftp utas edu au \( c slipper , trumpet set programs \) winqvt net generally archived windows ftp sites , including ftp cica indiana edu ncsa telnet archived ftp ncsa uiuc edu archived ftp acns nwu edu popmail pc , , phone , pc gopher archived boombox micro umn edu end slip txt ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel \( 216 \) 368 3300 cwru school medicine , cleveland , ohio fax \( 216 \) 368 4544
james mintaka sdsu edu \( michael james \) subject suzuki sale organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 25 nntp posting host mintaka sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 article crossposted sdnet forsale , rec author michael james posted 21 apr 1993 15 39 50 gmt must sell motorcycle \( '83 , 20k miles runs well includes cover tank bag i'm asking 700 e mail want take look michael james james mintaka sdsu edu pa 128 594 294 \( h \) michael james james mintaka sdsu edu pa 128 594 \( still neat sig oh well \)
dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) subject honda clutch chatter nntp posting host reply dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) organization bell northern research ltd lines 23 article hpindda cup hp com , jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) writes anyone else experiencing similar problem \? concerns clutch 92 honda accord 5 speed clutch first used morning , first 4 miles shifting , significant amount clutch chatter things warm clutch shifts smoothly chatter started moved san francisco bay area low humidity environment dealer stated known happen since honda changed asbestos non asbestos clutch material remedy ! ! seems moisture clutch surface causes slipping moisture evaporates comments \? clutch '92 honda civic ex v \( ex u \) 's annoying think , worse humidity high dealer also claims 's nothing since clutch self adjusting hydraulic design yeah , right doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer opinions bell northern research ltd ottawa , ontario , canada dept service control point routing services design conform !
phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) subject minnesota shame \? organization columbia university center telecommunications research x posted startide ctr columbia edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 43 article constellation ecn uoknor edu hunter uoknor edu \( steve hunter \) writes i'm hockey fan way back , maintain interest best hockey hinterlands \( oklahoma \) i'm hoping get reading move north stars dallas 've impression minnesota one , possibly , hockey state u team moving city texas \? owner greedy , self serving , stars really making profit \? city whoever owned arena price \? opinions , please well , hockey fan , think 's terrible 's one thing say , hey , let 's give hockey team cities n't one ! 's fine 's entirely another say , okay , let 's take team thriving hockey town move ! course , none us ever know real inside story , know , group minneapolis businessmen told green repeatedly would purchase remaining 3600 \( \? \) season tickets get 10 , 000 level green wanted , yet refused every time 's pretty obvious determined get minneapolis cost use season tickets thing excuse fortunate enough get game , fans great ! people playing roller hockey parking lot game , attendance full , whole atmosphere centre terrific minnesota hockey , usa nhl blithely let major league team move away beyond hope get new team soon 0 02 ali ali procrastination lemer gave nhl commissioner gary bettman puck columbia university \( nyc \) spent rest day trying phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat williams , gm , orlando magic kind animals hug hockey player !
troi cc rochester edu \( andrew simchik \) subject new study gay percentage organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 74 nntp posting host troi cc rochester edu apr 20 20 07 19 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article 1993apr20 8748 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( caifone \) writes certainly hope n't , sir , supposed signify \? prefer person , euphemism oh , please try ludicrous significant , term employed avoid awkward construction girlfriend wife heard thankfully , got gender right deviant deviant someone fit accepted norm definition , would certainly deviant , bisexuality accepted norm american society far term , course , really negative aspects inherent presume intended term abuse 's great pity feel tactics necessary , hardly surprising since factual basis absurd beliefs disparaging towards political minorities , sexual deviants comprise political minorit may attempt emulate style discourse term abuse \? ahem ! post responded highly amusing one homosexuals political clout would amused would explain political clout political minority different shred self respect , 'd door associate girls indeed self respect yet call girls ! feminists would arms find sort would inclined head door account views regarding aberrant behavior known homosexuality , would encourage indeed , would advise let door whack backside way needs airhead \? cough , cough well , well , certainly fine , upstanding fellow , , sir like many fine , upstanding fellows , reading comprehension perhaps explicit pointing females constitute political minority country last checked , obvious lack respect minorities equates lack respect women , course , conceptual stretch logic , given slow de far , figure start simple work n't worry , 'll get ! pretty soon find retreating back closet belong n't count , sweetheart oh , ca n't anything count , inevitable , part natural order things throughout history , nature always asserted n't arrogant true , bit nature asserting homosexuality always part human society , always , natural order 're naive enough believe otherwise , go right ahead 'll try loudly behind back inevitable anyone would think idea talking n't seen fact one , dispense bullshit , tell us already know , 're clueless little slime mold concept reality beyond donna reed show live little , come back tell us natural order things 're bubble , 's really going rock world come assume foolish misguided generation change nature man practically every generation failed foolish misguided oh , much religious figure believe \? know much nature man \? 're almost amusing worth effort crushing brain greater men n't able certainly happen , matter much may wish pretend otherwise gee , sound awfully sure methinks bigot doth protest much admit 're scared shitless 've sorry little life wrong , 're trying escape fear blind faith know , deep , based nothing , nothing go ahead , clutch unfounded empty breast ignore myriad societies accepted homosexuality equally valid even mystical ignore solid , inescapable fact hat 've existed long humans fear us go ahead laugh us makes feel better know 're whistling dark 's one group 's stamped whenever appears , form , 's group fancy morally superior 're group , 're slowly steadily stamped preach , little man wo n't long moreover , i'm sweetheart 's first truth 've told far n't hate , sir i'm bisexual , embrace man alike nothing n't understand love deny validity would crush us , human beings one , imagined divinity 's fools like stir ire idiots small minds , ca n't think , know nothing real world operates , hate told like sheep , hate everyone refuses sheep 're part norm 're part minority yes , minority ! supreme , arrogance hubris , always , intelligence know clown 's costume wow , ! sometimes wonder waste talents like really interest continuing effortless discussion , proverbial battle wits unarmed opponent come back swords e facts shall battle till , sight drewcifer p entertaining , however considered taking road \? hear back
keith hawaii edu \( keith horton \) subject cardinal 9000 vl bus graphics card \? \? article organization utexas mail news gateway lines 6 nntp posting host cs utexas edu anyone experience familiar cardinal p9000 vl bus graphics card \? would appreciate knowing think capabilities thanks keith
ctp com \( \) subject starting x windows organization cambridge technology partners lines 40 soon logged linux , type xinit setting tcp protocol available xfree86 version 1 2 x window system \( protocol version 11 , revision 0 , vendor release 5000 \) configured drivers \( 256 svga \) et4000 , et 3000 , pvga1 , gvga , ati , tvga8900c , \( using vt number 7 \) mouse type mouse systems , device dev mouse , 1200 font path set usr lib x11 fonts type1 , usr lib x11 fonts 75 dpi , usr lib x11 fonts speedo , usr lib x11 fonts , usr lib x11 fonts misc vga 256 et4000 \( mem ok 16 \) vga 256 clocks 25 2 28 3 47 8 41 2 25 4 0 0 47 6 0 0 vga 256 clocks 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 41 3 vga 256 little memory virtual resolution 1024 1204 configured device found , display modes could resolved fatal server error screens found giving xinit interrupted system call \( errno 4 \) unable connect x server xinit process \( errno 3 \) server error getting messages type xinit \? configuration file x windows \( like config sys msdos \) \? start x session \( shell \) \? ctp com
9130037 golum riv csu edu au \( chan yin mei \) subject help ! anything x originator 9130037 golum riv csu edu au organization charles sturt university riverina , wagga wagga , nsw , australia lines 24 thu apr 29 16 36 43 1993 date thu , 29 apr 1993 16 36 42 1000 \( gavin \) 9130037 status r hello , folks uni project wondering could supply specific info references info regarding 1 \) considerations installation xwindows hp 9000 \( unknown model \) 2 \) motif , openlook , , linux \? \? \? \? 3 \) x11 , 4 \) glossary term x considering software project deals image analysis info would greatly appreciated please email 9130037 golum riv csu edu au
wpi wpi edu \( william f brown \) subject space offs organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host wpi wpi edu wanted point , teflon n't space program wwii nuclear weapons development program pipes system uranium lined uranium chemical turned enrichment massively corrosive even stainless hence need inert line pipes teflon molecular sockets bound already , 2 sense worth bill
\( jamie lawrence \) subject tapped , code good distribution na organization sybase , inc lines 34 article 1993apr21 222016 leland stanford edu , arc leland stanford edu \( andrew richard conway \) writes must protest communist country know \? n't , unlikely ever socialist dictatorships , ca n't , whilst socialist democracies \( france australia \) course , people may disagree france australia socialist , \( rather , 're complaining \) nobody shooting us yet guess people \? live one countries world person complain without getting shot circumstances public meeting last night \( usa \) , , nice calm , said speaker started beware opinions , forced meeting two armed policemen lot things one cannot usa may notice , australian visitor , notice course n't react n't react thank andrew firm rebuttal , understanding difference communism socialism \( even though topic \) people understand pretty songs land free sound nice , may true \? take rose colored glasses get clue \( use two better around \) thanks jamie
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 18 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article juts ccc amdahl com , agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) writes n't necessarily agree pat robertson every one placed judgement seat eventually judged done failed earth god allows people choose want worship i'm sorry , ! ever read first commandment \? apparently n't first commandment n't appear forbid worshipping gods yahweh 's got top totem pole , though carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
jyow desire wright edu subject camera stylus , pocket camera organization wright state university lines 9 olympus stylus , 35mm pocket camera smallest class includes time date stamp , battery , carrying case red eye reduction , timer fully automatic rated 2 consumer reports 115 obo jason yow human factors psychology program wright state university , dayton , oh e mail jyow desire wright edu
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject vandalizing sky x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 47 wm hathaway comments 'd like add protests come strictly practical consideration pollution levels acceptable research activities professional astronomers would complain rooted aesthetics many readers may never known time heavens pristine sacred actions humans space stars profoundly black abyss full horizons pure sky one could look upon half creation time none connection petty matters man lights supplied solely nature men whole religions based mortal man somehow getting becoming immortal stars , whether belief afterlife space age changed man 's effect environment still desire see place man n't fouled way think point desire beauty valid , even ca n't ever perfectly achieved agree desire beauty valid , think desire impose vision beauty mention age old desire somehow get , ignore beauty actual vision mention beauty dark sky , effects humans , ignore beauty dark sky visible space , vision , least , descendents , may one day able see , part , efforts others call ugly one day , hope , humans able look , upon half heavens , nature lights , upon heavens , lights advertising space help us reach goal , less beautiful way reach , sky \( century \) , totally one original conceptions beauty human form , effort striving reach goal n't think 's reason believe changed , changed way strive btw , places people n't fouled sometimes make better tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk radius vision increases , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm circumference mystery grows
guyd austin ibm com \( guy dawson \) subject cpu temperature vs cpu activity \? originator guyd pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 33 article 1993apr21 11363 ucc su oz au , montuno physics su oz au \( lino montuno \) writes may naive question basis claim cpu get hotter computationally intensive job running \? friend claims little difference temperature idle cpu cpu running computationally intensive job first depends idle cpu ! i'm sure dos , many multitasking oss loop like loop anything \? yes goto loop goto loop cpu work still processing instructions also respond lino montuno guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377
paladin world std com \( thomas g schlatter \) subject newsgroup archive organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 7 newsgroup archived anywhere beyond normal expiration dates , say last 6 months \? thanks , tom paladin world std com
ac dal ca subject scsi ide 's difference \? organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 18 stupid question new ibm pc user i'm going selling mac getting gateway 2000 difference ide hd scsi hd \? gw 486dx 33v comes 250mb western digital ide drive asked much seagate 500mb scsi drive guy asked going scsi \? lost answer said know seagate better company , satisfaction point view scsi drives faster ide \? i'm buying gw another 4 months , question bugged tom n
steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) subject gamma ray bursters organization lick observatory uco lines 42 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au nntp posting host topaz ucsc edu reply keithh tplrd tpl oz au 's message tue , 27 apr 93 03 17 48 gmt article 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au keithh tplrd tpl oz au \( keith harwood \) writes article gap caltech edu , palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? given enormous power , wondering , quantum black holes something like fairly close \? would galactic ranges \? david gives good explaination deductions isotropic , 'edged' distribution , whit , either part universe part oort cloud could n't earth centred , edge occuring edge gravisphere \? know n't mechanism , n't mechanism others either earth gravisphere \? anyway , 's decay pioneer venus orbiter gamma ray detector , ulysses , detect brightest bursts earth orbit detectors , bursts least oort cloud distances principle four detectors spaced au would see parallax bursts solar system origin problem oort cloud sources absolutely plausible mechanism proposed would involve new physics far tell closest conventional oort sources model b field pinching comets , 's got many holes count , least good try steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer laws gravity , strict 're bending benefit b b 1988
u009 csx cciw ca \( g stewart beal \) subject radio freq used measure distance \? organization canada centre inland waters lines 27 article bcstec ca boeing com rgc3679 bcstec ca boeing com \( robert g carpenter \) writes i'm wondering 's possible use radio waves measure distance transmitter \( \) receiver \? seems able measure signal strength determine distance would short distances \( 2000 ft \) , would need accuracy 6 inches , would susceptible fading , multi path etc used use system shop made south africa used 10 ghz signal 2 units across distance measured 10 ghz carrier real signals several switched ones around 7 5 mhz , whose relative phases receiver would read digits distance 10 cm needed units came \( sp \? \) measure relative humidity instructions correction measurements due rh temp rather heavy required operator end current technology uses polarized , dual tx rx psuedo random coding radar pulse resolution x band , much better \( one end heavy \) \) regards , stu beal , , u009 csx cciw ca , national water research institute , burlington , ontario , canada 'd made yet another nuclear winter lawn trapped eaten 's first robin kyle j
nrao edu \( bob \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization nrao lines 110 article agate berkeley edu , isaackuo spam berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) writes article apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes fbi claims , basis intelligence reports , bd 's plans commit suecide , btw , bugged place listening bd 's conversations till end koresh 's attorney claims , based 30 hours spent talking client others compound , saw indication bd 's contemplating suecide survivors claim suecide 's clear one survivors made claim clear least one survivors made contradictory claim bd members started fire , far clear word fbi survivor made claim contradictory word lawyers spoke survivors individually agreed suicide pact intentionally start fire absense evidence , n't see decide believe furthermore , quite possible general suicide pact small inner circle took upon kill everyone else state area , may never know happened bd 's contemplating suecide , reason believe committed one reason \? two 1 survivors claimed bd members poured fuel along set fire speed fire spread inconsistent claim , word fbi claim lawyers also talked deny making claim 2 certainly fire killed people compound good possibility fbi start fire good reason believe bd 's agree assessment relative probabilities likely bd 's started fire fbi currently way decide actually happened based publically available evidence \( nearly none \) 3 even bd 's contemplating suicide , possible david koresh convinced \( thus convinced others \) suicide sort three possibilities bd 's self destruction dead , escaped via bunker , etc reports inadequacies tunnels bodies found , would rate highly unlikely b fire started fbi accident possible , would foolish us declare outright evidence back sure , 's possible armored vehicle knocked lantern started fire \( lit lantern middle day near edge complex \? \) 's anecdotal evidence contradicted c fire started purpose fbi suggested net , would rate possibility utterly ludicrous sci skeptic would call extraordinary claim wo n't bother refuting unless someone gives good evidence back fire started accidentally bds truely amazed heard \( read \) one suggesting possibility tear gas lack power compound adults wearing gas masks , chaotic inside easily image someone leaving lamp close something accidentally dropping lamp knocking one winds , would quickly gotten control left two reasonable possibilities fire fbi accident fire started bd find latter likely based evidence 've seen far , think also quite reasonable personally ca n't really asses relative either 3 probabilities although forced bet issue , would probably take accident \( either fbi bd \) setting fire \) would also like add comment related reports bodies recovered gunshot wounds coroner today show morning categorically denied 've reach conclusions pointed intense heat , sufficient pressure builds head cause explode look much like massive gunshot wound head quite consisted te reports 've read heard short , 's almost evidence many scenarios happened monday remain skeptical information available isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big bob
higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) subject dream machines book vaporware spacecraft organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines 133 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov summary ron miller book history krieger publishing keywords spacecraft astronautics history sf miller ron miller space artist long distinguished career 've admired paintings \( remember usps solar system exploration stamps last year \? \) writings history spaceflight several years 's working big project almost ready hit streets brochure publisher landed mailbox , thought cool enough type part \( 's rather long \) especially given net 's strong interest vaporware spacecraft dream machines illustrated history spaceship art , science , literature ron miller arthur c clarke krieger publishing company melbourne , florida , usa orig ed 1993 pre publication 84 50 isbn 0 9 text history spaceship cultural technological phenomenon idea vehicle space worlds spring full blown existence half century need preceded ability ot make device several hundred years soon realized worlds one , human beings wanted reach tracing history many imaginative , often , attempts solve problem also reflects history technology , science , astronomy , engineering space travel became feasible , many spacecraft concepts developed ever got drawing board ground , matter also described book , reason pre space age pre flight ideas accurate reflections particular era 's dreams , abilities , knowledge virtually every spaceship concept invented since 1500 , well selected events important developing idea extraterrestrial travel , listed chronological entries allow comparisons actual astronautical events speculative ventures also allow comparisons simultaneous events taking place different countries reveal connections , influences , evolutions every entry accompanied least one illustration nearly every spacecraft concept illustrated schematic drawing allows accurate comparisons made , visualize differences , similarities , influences text interest students astronautical history , also model builders would interested schematic diagrams science fiction fans well aviation history buffs historians science also find book fascinating unique collection illustrations makes visually attractive interesting history spaceship special features includes scale drawings several hundred spacecraft , real fictional contains scores illustrations artwork , drawings , photos contemporary subject includes extremely rare illustrations scarce books novels , exclusive photos drawings spacecraft rare stills famous obscure science fiction films , unpublished photographs nasa archives index , bibliography , appendices included contents part archaeology spaceship \( 360 b c \) part ii invention spaceship \( 1899 \) part iii experimenters \( 1900 1938 \) part iv world war \( 1939 1945 \) part v golden age spaceship \( 1946 1960 \) part vi dawn space age \( 1961 present \) ron miller brochure page stuff 'll try hit high spots former art director albert einstein planetarium smithsonian 's national air space museum member international association astronomical arts , member international astronautical association , fellow british interplanetary society , consulting editor air space smithsonian magazine author , co author , editor , sole illustrator many books since 1979 , including space art , cycles fire , grand tour , many others , well many articles papers book jackets interior art dozen publishers contributor ibm traveling exhibition book space production illustrator movies dune total recall designer ten stamp set commemorative space postage stamps u postal service 1991 \( solar system exploration \) ordering information pre publication price 84 50 1 may 1993 afterwards , price 112 50 krieger publishing company po box melbourne , fl usa direct order line \( 407 \) 727 fax \( 407 \) 951 add 5 00 shipping ups within usa first book , 1 50 additional book foreign orders , add 6 00 first book , 2 00 additional additional charges airmail shipments \) ' ' , , ' , \) \( \) \( \) zap ! \( \) \( \) bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins fnal bitnet internet higgins fnal fnal gov span hepnet 43011 higgins
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westes netcom com \( estes \) subject use haldol elderly organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 14 anyone know research done use haldol elderly \? short term use drug ever produce long term side effects use drug \? grandmother recently hospitalized given large doses haldol several weeks although drug terminated , changed perky , slightly senile woman virtual vegetable talk anyone cannot even eat brush teeth without assistance seems incredible changes could take place course one one half months believe combination hospital stay drug \( \) part catalysts comments \? estes internet westes netcom com
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject usa mcweekly stats organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 18 rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes article franjion spot colorado edu , franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) says also , impression reading group bill james elias bunch money grubbing jerks whose mission charge much baseball statistical info bill james \? yeah sure bill james players rating book \? uh , bill james n't sell statistics sells books statistics , business providing stats like elias , stats , howe , baseball workshop etc greg
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 26 ivan reid , 23 apr 1993 06 05 pst wibbled article 1993apr23 1564 news columbia edu , rob castro writes decide windy ride \? even walking \) ivan reid , paul scherrer institute , ch ivan cvax psi ch gsx600f , rg250wd si 2 66 porsche pass ! dod 484 make wind \? hear dull booming noise going hill wind behind 're careful , controls opposite effect nick \( mach 0 22 biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \(
ucsd edu \( \) subject wanted tb driver sp sx distribution na lines 14 nntp posting host ucsd edu anyone copy driver turtle beach 's program allows use always tech 2000 scsi card dumps pc sp sx \? \? \? normally available directly turtle beach wondering someone got could n't find use copy let know ! ucsd edu
dan ingres com \( rose arose \) subject arrogance christians organization representing views company lines 122 news cbnewsk att com writes arrogance arrogance result religion , result people knowing firmly believing idea one 's desire show others one 's rightness assume god decided judge sake much , allow kind merciful judge , 'll probably better others judged us judged i'm sure agree 100 agree arrogance result religion god far better judge also agree mean say arrogance shows form trying prove one 's superior knowledge , rightness , holiness another person 's beliefs need careful understand mean fall mistake misrepresenting views fall area hope forgive arrogance result believing one right believing one 's god greater god 's others believing one 's religion better religions naturally self implied beliefs self contradictory say believe current beliefs wrong find error , beliefs would naturally change follow believe right therefore , must always consider beliefs correct 's arrogance 's unavoidable behavior nonsense say believe another person 's god greater god god greater , would n't obligated change god would become god \? naturally obligated worship god deem greatest feel obligated worship second best god sake feeling humble \? arrogance necessarily thinking better looking intelligent stronger resources another person doubt many chew one awhile passive observation one 's superior points arrogance , god would arrogant humility rest slandering god 's work creation lives people often go around trying humble saying one another , i'm smart i'm poor i'm good looking i'm worm ground i'm weak person although n't want sin , really cannot help person truely humble , would take different approach god , thank making way know never anything second best yet given , 've given power resist devil used exactly said creation life credited humility lord , 've given , completely deserve forgiveness , yet love would give die save terribly evil , deserve go straight hell , yet pleases somehow rescue terrible life 've led lord , please forgive help stay right track bring glory name instead insult lord i'm sorry wrongs please help change think people take exceptional offense religious arrogance n't want wrong find someone arrogant , typically n't anything , 've often found hard tell difference often times , humble christian come across arrogant proud worm ground false humility type person found comfortable company i'm wrong arrogant wrongness , certainly n't feel like confronted wrongness someone confront verbally wrongness , 'd likely snap examine head toe faults charge said root , desire would make shut go living life arrogantly wish however , someone confront silently example , earn respect , perhaps mention humility private , 'd feel broken challenged seek god help changing error ways hard part getting point humble anyone regardless humility pride regardless sincerity regardless whether upon n't easy take pain love opportunity improve one 's ability serve god 's easier cast aside hope reaching true humility merely hide behind slandering god 's creation lives instead examine hope typed back right react certain situations emotions instance , many us feel justified insulted arrogant person needed reason feel insulted insulted words others , 'd think 'd either decide insulted , ignore insult justify feelings anger insult outrage , n't make reaction appropriate one light self examination change emotional reactions sometimes helps understand feel difference true statement character false slanderous statement character devil would love us feel hopelessly guilty innocent feel arrogant self righteous indeed wrong devil 's aim get us much misery think devil cruel less criminal parent burning children hot way devil gets father 's skin hurting father loves much deplore horrible crime child murder want prevention , merely punishment must reach root evil practiced whose souls revolt dreadful deed mater motive , love ease , desire save suffering unborn innocent , woman awfully guilty commits deed oh ! thrice guilty drove desperation impelled crime susan b anthony , revolution july 8 , 1869
nswc navy mil \( john r \) subject pitching organization lines 37 article ariel lerc nasa gov , ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) wrote article 1993apr23 bme ri ccf org , tknuth bio ri ccf org writes wow ! tribe gave 8 runs last night era 6 08 opponents hitting 304 front office excited calling matt young next week join rotation well , excited n't exactly mean happy case means , contract says bring 05 01 release need find somebody , someplace , something injured pitchers recover young pitchers get ready best get move ok , 's primary definition sue \) rg pain , lerc statistical baseball league pain , tomorrow 's heroes league i'm little worried pitching thing 6 08 even first 16 games season mesa \( sp \? \) seems settling pitched well red , rocket matched got chance watch play california wednesday pitched well also dam broke came promptly 6 1 \( 3 run homer snow \? \) heard guys espn say 7 tribe 's top 10 prospects pitchers anyone like post guys \? tribe espn tonight oakland john r always expect worst nswc navy mil join cleveland sports fan society
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject uva organization university virginia lines 2 think kind uncalled blanket statement cause censorship mr jefferson 's university wrong
behrens cc swarthmore edu \( eric behrens \) subject babe v pride yankees nntp posting host swarthmore edu organization swarthmore college lines 23 babe pride yankees offer different ruth hitting home runs boy hospital historian explain history 's version story would n't put past either \( \) movies season truth little extra spice comments inaccuracies two movies \? eric w behrens behrens cc swarthmore edu 'd walk hell gasoline suit keep playing baseball pete rose
neilson osf org \( peter neilson \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization open software foundation lines 45 article 1993apr27 uvm edu me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) writes article 1993apr27 csi jpl nasa gov , eldred jpl nasa gov \( dan eldred \) article snoopy cis ufl edu ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? someone taped wires carpet , time move n't know sure work , might try mek \( methyl ethyl keytone \? \) worked getting stickum left shelf paper , available paint stores use carbon gas mask lots ventilation stuff really stinks ! dan n't know , methyl ethyl commonly known acetone found major active ingredient nail polish remover probably got around oh dear , time try remember chemistry let 's see find formulae somewhere dim recesses mind sounds gears fumes oil nasal ha ! knew double bond ! shall show ascii \? mek acetone c c c c c c c shown , represents double bond mek methyl \( \) one side , ethyl \( \) acetone two acetone methyl ethyl , instead solvents similar properties think mek may little less flammable lot worse breathe 's lot harder buy mek use acetone nail polish remover consists almost entirely acetone buy workshop , get cheapest , expensive kind oils n't need nothing foolish posted net newsgroup peter neilson neilson osf org quote changed daily 've seen one , burn calendar
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject best first basemen organization allegheny college lines 15 article 1993apr22 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( chris \) writes article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu writes mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! good keith hernandez heard talk learned good fielder talking watching keith play jt snow
brunel ac uk \( sunil gupta \) subject message cgcad bart inescn pt organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 7 sunil gupta \( brunel ac uk \) wrote cant get author rtrace site inaccessible upload new version somewhere else please \? problem solved , wuarchive graphics graphics ray rtrace seg fault often \?
tedr athena cs uga edu \( ted kalivoda \) subject major views trinity organization university georgia lines 30 article may 14 02 12 04 1993 athos rutgers edu , swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) wrote simply put , see way platonic essence could real existance essence platonic sense referent far tell imaginary concept invented provide explanation things better explained ways quite confident exist propose define beings \? thing one without definition \? definition know essence \? properties \? beings properties \? god properties \? numbers exist reality abstract entities invent \? thus , , unity god must primary , must secondary , must modal \( relating roles , modes interaction \) , since otherwise meaning saying god one see post alt messianic possibilities tri theism point view ted kalivoda \( tedr athena cs uga edu \) institute higher education university georgia athens , ga
mem world std com \( roy \) subject lciii used iici get \? organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 32 erik cheshire oxy edu \( erik adams \) writes , long last , going replace beloved 512ke looking new lc iii used iici prices yet worked , i'm thinking right merits drawbacks 's 've thought iici much greater potential expansion , la nubus greater memory capacity lc iii would new , warranty , newer roms \( iici 32 bit clean \? \) , would sound input also like pizza box case performance wise , read almost identical , lc iii little slower , get \? erik erik cheshire oxy edu 1 yes , iici 32 bit clean roms either model would good choice another option get new iici dealer n't sold yet also , n't forget performa 405 , believe , lc iii may packaged goodies better price
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject opinion means organization duke university durham , n c lines 37 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article 1993apr20 bnr ca mbeaving bnr ca writes , take advice whining flames brains ca n't spell either edu \? \? hope 're student duke would wasting tuition beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking ! , complaining spelling i'm hurt i'm student i'm employee get money back bnr , huh \? hope 're permanent , 'd wasting benefits ! andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
titus virginia edu \( jason titus \) subject virus \? centris 610 organization u va division disposable resources lines 9 've getting seemingly random disk accesses centris 610 quantum 240 lps , regular recalibration since got sometimes short , sometimes long , accesses sound like read writing going sam 3 5 , disinfectant 3 0 , neither picks anything ideas \? jason titus virginia edu
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject new encryption algorithm lines 23 well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping nsa 's charter forbids purely domestic intelligence work , would think even providing assistance development skipjack violation charter government agency , think jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject nikkor 70 forsale 165 organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 2 price reduced asking 165 !
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject would clipper make good cover encryption method \? nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 20 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article 1993apr20 032623 3046 eff org kadie eff org \( carl kadie \) writes , n't think replacements clipper , also think front ends makes sense government prohibits alternative non escrowed encryption schemes otherwise , use front end without clipper \? everyone expects making alternative methods encryption illegal next step otherwise cripple chip utterly worthless obvious \) cripple chip aimed spying ordinary citizens b \) forms encryption soon illegal smg
rowley netcom com \( thomas rowley \) subject voice synth chips keywords voice synthesis organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 8 san jose \( 408 \) 943 sells sc 01 speech synthesis chip 5 00 also noticed radio shack sells chip store small amounts digitized speech good luck
2545500 jeff lab queensu ca \( peter pundy \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) reply 2545500 jeff lab queensu ca organization queens university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 29 david schnider bmug org wrote real question opinion motorola processors running system 7 mac comparable intel processors running windows pc \? stuff deleted david even better 68000 based amiga 2000 perform daily tasks compared 68030 based iici answer , except cases , get butt kicked amiga sure considerations , goes show proper design beginning \( hardware software \) give great returns well showing n't marketing department speak , one care good system i'm still happy ci , n't understand performance bad \( comparatively \) could done multi tasking properly could done everthing else better apple n't \( course dos 6 windows 3 1 write home either ! ! \) oh well , y'all got 2 00 worth price 0 02 peter pundy email 2545500 jeff lab queensu ca 've got witty wisdom share , nice day anyway
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject trivia question organization ub lines 53 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu article acsu buffalo edu ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( real \) writes article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu , caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? clint malarchuk 's neck cut uwe krupp 's skate know happened buffalo , ca n't tell krupp defending opposing attacker charging net krupp 's skate krupp defending steve tuttle , blues sort tripped fell toward malarchuk , tuttle 's skate came close cutting \( actually missed \) jugular malarchuk immediately fell ice , hands neck , blood ice malarchuk became fourth goalie \( behind hasek , puppa draper \) suffering obsessive compulsive disorder 's playing san diego former sabre coach rick 'd suffering decade n't diagnosed n't sleep ten days decided alcohol help sleep unfortunately , 'd put ulcer medicine days earlier 's amazing lasted long ocd sufferers stop distinguishing line reality imagination , fail accept something 've checked ok example , ocd wash hands still think 're dirty might check oven ten times sure 's turned might see movie something automatically assume situation life malarchuk dramatically decreased medicine takes , still needs went past winter bad ocd episode think hospital couple days \( felt slowed reflexes , tried go without \) event , alive well living san diego , playing gulls \( ihl \) krupp playing islanders lafontaine turgeon trade tuttle longer blues , n't know possibly ihl , 'd best ask blues fan valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
ivan erich triumf ca \( ivan reid \) subject electricty organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article mimsy umd edu , leavitt cs umd edu \( mr bill \) writes maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) writes nh 1 \) trying figure way put halogen beam cb360t nh easy ways \( e slip bulb replacement \) \? honda employed sealed beam interchangeable anything else , far could ever tell 've owned two years , always one biggest i'm sure far went , two bikes \( , think , \) able pop insert directly original housing \( held roughly w shaped springs \) inserts used 55 60w halogen bulbs , great , although mr bill later indicates may much drain charging system ivan reid , paul scherrer institute , ch ivan cvax psi ch gsx600f , rg250wd si 2 66 porsche pass ! dod 484
ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) subject , eps sirach lines 108 thanks responses far hope sparked thought \( intent restart one \) i'm going tug two threads message id may 10 05 07 21 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes , must point jews drew canon 90 ad , 60 years founding christian religion upon cross adhere canon drawn , reaction use greek septuagint , includes deutero canon \? simply observing non jew , community might bound decision \( n't know much council jamnia , heard well attested historically \) nothing , prefer speculate motives early 150 ad , st justin already accused jews canon scripture removal certain books wish dialogue real transcript real dialogue , , think fictional effect justin 's part putting one side , justin 's point may one would want know books \? ' protestants apparently prefer think god 's revelation limited decree jews perhaps reformers traveling light \( ms evidence \) let 's stick issues , prefer speculate motives one would need quotes luther , calvin , etc evidence message id may 9 05 38 22 1993 athos rutgers edu wagner grace math uh edu \( david wagner \) quite accurate otherwise would book enoch canon \( dave noted \) one say apocrypha quoted christ principle \( bc \) text quoted christ cannot counted \? think well job , ruth \? wrote logically invalid priori besides , talking ot texts many parts superceded nt \( xtian view \) would principle exclude ecclesiastes \? principle cannot consistently applied dave w answers reject argument spirit speaks one voice , contradict meaning \? affirm principle \( c 's excluded since contain \) deny \? affirmed \( implied statement \) one determine doctrine x false \? affirm every teaching ecclesiastes \? ultimate test whether words inspired spirit , e , god breathed test guided faith reason logic , may test cannot applied orthodox faithfully believe psalm 151 canonical faith say ! ' \? hear priori mentioned deutero canonical books added much later church 's history contrary fact spiritual quality rest scripture elevated principle \? measured \? 'll take sirach joshua chronicles , day believe church added books guided spirit say \? believe believe i'm asking consistency check n't see books added construction formulation begs question one validly ask books dave davis , ddavis ma30 bull com opinions activities alone christianity doctrine , , mean , theory happened happen human soul , description something actually takes place human life real event , despair salvation faith speak things \( , instance \) simply describing happened , whatever anyone may want say ludwig wittgenstein
wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) subject universal phones days \? organization technical university berlin , germany lines 23 utkvx utk edu nntp posting host sam cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit reply iturriag utkvx utk edu 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 20 29 00 gmt article utkvx utk edu iturriag utkvx utk edu \( mr \) writes quite sure illegality using regular american phone home system vaguely remember years ago , deutsche split , , telekom discussion new regulation know cordless cellular phones still approved telekom , hold true regular phones \? areacode germany \( , near koeln \) use yes , equipment telekom approval number legal changed buy equipment somewhere else i'm pretty sure holds true sweden \( least read information years ago \) btw know lines sweden handle tone dialing , n't sure wolfgang diestelkamp wd cs tu berlin de wolfgang first gmd de
rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days originator rdouglas phaedrus stsci edu organization space telescope science institute lines 44 article 1993apr28 mksol dseg ti com , mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes 1993apr28 lambda msfc nasa gov bday lambda msfc nasa gov \( brian day \) writes rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload hst really much heavier spacelab \? \? \? ca n't speak sheer mass , part problem hst n't built ever brought back 's built kinds forces support cradle \( additional weight would required throw mass telescope 11 , 600 kg \( 25 , 500 lb \) know space lab weighs , believe less anyone verify \? \? also , remember weight concern , many others noted , one possible concern responding statement boost , ca n't land different problems rob rob douglas space 3700 san martin drive ai software engineer telescope baltimore , md 21218 , usa advance planning systems branch science phone \( 410 \) 338 internet rdouglas stsci edu institute fax \( 410 \) 338 disclaimer type opinions mine ! unless course fall standard intellectual property guidelines intellect , doubt besides , useful intellectual property , think would type \? rob douglas space 3700 san martin drive ai software engineer telescope baltimore , md 21218 , usa advance planning systems branch science phone \( 410 \) 338
nobody alumni cco caltech edu subject jerry berman pseudonymous privacy organization utexas mail news gateway lines 108 nntp posting host cs utexas edu hello , thought might like see 's letter jerry berman david chaum november 1985 , response information mr chaum sent mr berman congratulate eff prompt response clipper chip announcement white house , think 's important recognize philosophy executive director , explained agree legal remedies important , pressed , 'd prefer retain ability use purely technical solutions preserve privacy , 'll hold fire mr chaum publication letter net n't work , member eff , aclu , similar organizations , agree great many things american civil liberties union washington office 122 maryland avenue , ne november 1 , 1985 washington , dc national headquarters mr david chaum 132 west street centre mathematics computer science new york ny p box \( 212 \) 944 9800 ab amsterdam norman president dear mr chaum ira executive director holmes norton chair national advisory council thank sending interesting article society individuals organizations would expend time resources use series avoid data linkage opinion make big brother obsolete acts assumption big brother ever present view system form societal paranoia matter principle , working enact formal legal protections individual privacy rather relying technical solutions want assume society law respects legal limits rather society disobey law , requiring citizens depend technical solutions e g require warrant government interception data communications rather encrypt messages assumption regardless government abuse power invade privacy matter practicality , think system offers much hope privacy first , trend toward universal much movement generated government industry 's desire keep track citizens citizens seeking simplicity convenience transactions best , system would benefit sophisticated would opt simplicity poor would never use benefit finally 's , 's way government wants link data bases , , law , require disclosure various individual pseudonyms used citizens prohibit data bases government wants link since corporations make money trading commercial lists one another , never adopt system adopted , use fine contracts permit selling various codes used customers firms solution remains law , policy , consensus limits government corporate intrusion areas individual autonomy technique used enforce consensus override cannot used substitute consensus sincerely , sig jerry j berman chief legislative counsel aclu privacy technology project cc john
rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) subject volume organization university virginia lines 3 face mr beyer , 're us israeli intellectuals attempts defend deceitful , undeserving palestinians prove fruitless !
athena mit edu \( fung \) subject powerpc nubus rumors \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host mit edu read macweek developers getting nubus cards apple pre release powerpc chips mean chip released , us old apples able take advantage powerpc risc technology inserting card \? n't know anything hardware , someone tell much would \?
paladin world std com \( thomas g schlatter \) subject scsi dos adding 3rd drive \? ! organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 35 article 1993apr23 physchem ox ac uk mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) writes article jethro corp sun com , maf corp sun com \( mike \) writes anyone know problems \( 's possible \) adding third hard drive \( scsi \) dos pc currently 386 pc future domain scsi board 2 maxtor scsi drives installed work great , n't problems ! well , want disk space went got another \( larger \) scsi hard disk thinking add chain \( 50pin ribbon 3 connectors \) run fdisk program format initialize disk n't happen pc boots , scsi prom shoots back devices attached board target 0 three disks seen run dos fdisk program format disk , choose select another disk \( option 5 \( dos6 \) \) voila , 's first two disks show problem , third disk found got adaptec scsi card , comes version fdisk problem dos see two hard disks , need done device drivers odd , fdisk works fine 2 ide drives scsi drive ultrastor device driver loaded , though
leonardo com \( stephanie e leonardo \) subject vhs video sale organization utexas mail news gateway lines 3 nntp posting host cs utexas edu movie sold mcdonald 's 7 99 \? \? \( new \) \?
magnus acs ohio state edu \( edward k jen \) subject dx50 vs dx266 nntp posting host photon magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 35 article austin ibm com lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance har \) writes article rpi edu arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) writ es would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 one things going dx2 66 \( 50 \) 's clock speed complies vesa local bus spec lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) couple problems 486dx 50 1 \) system manufacturers major problems solving electromagnetic interference problems 486dx 50 systems getting fcc b \( home use \) certification required additional shielding system 2 \) heat lot people seem installing heat sinks cooling fans 486dx2 66 chips would guess 486dx 50 ran temperatures inside case even hotter heat enemy system reliability ed opinions sole property named person edward k jen magnus acs ohio state edu academic computing services ohio state university
graham toal gtoal gtoal com subject let 's build software cryptophones internet originator gtoal pizzabox demon co uk nntp posting host pizzabox demon co uk reply graham toal gtoal gtoal com organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines 19 article sol tis com mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) writes 'd really like see thing developed interactive internet talk radio could done ideally , though , general purpose device general purpose enough device nobody able balk widespread use obviously , make easy , use pretty common hardware suggest start ubiquitous sun , get lot momentum going custom hardware n't going go anywhere 's user base anyone interested \? 'll start provisional mailing list let know want count need someone us end experiment protocols , like way code give 3 weeks move house settle 'll go seriously g
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs lines 8 article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) 180 degree v ya gotta love ! eliot
shapiro sofbas enet dec com \( steve shapiro \) subject borland c 3 1 w app forsale nntp posting host organisation sks computer consulting , inc organization digital equipment corporation marlboro , lines 49 howdy ! recently converted microsoft visual c longer want borland c 3 1 w application frameworks product version 6 months old manuals , disks \( 5 25 \) , etc licensed transfer license purchaser accepted terms borland license agreement also copy books developing windows applications borland c 3 , james , sams \( 39 95 \) using borland c 3 2nd ed , mark lee atkinson , que \( 29 95 \) 'd like sell highest bidder conditions listed 'll ship c anywhere u via choice \( provided local \) , pay cod charges \( pay shipping \) list price product 750 seen advertised low 500 accept best offer 375 \( plus shipping described \) 1 2 list price , plus , i'm tossing 2 books listed \( 70 value \) hold bidding open weekend close sometime evening 4 26 93 please reply via email serious offers please apply , consider anything trade , offers less 375 consider fair price regards , steve steve shapiro views opinions expressed sks computer consulting , inc offered steve shapiro z1 fidonet org bbs \( 508 \) 664
subject repeat violent criminals reform often impossible \? kim39 scws8 harvard edu \( john kim \) distribution world organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws8 harvard edu lines 34 boston globe , thursday april 22 1993 p 44 walpole man , 32 , guilty rape , n h walpole man charged kidnapping mother two home , raping beating , pleaded guilty roger santaw jr also plead ed guilty attempted escape cheshire county jail last win ter santaw , 32 scheduled sentenced next week rape last fall came six months santaw released , spent 15 years rape commit ted 16 \( ap \) end article reactions \? enough time \? penalty \? btw , walpole town massachusetts course , new hampshire close j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu
microsoft com \( dave \) subject abyss breathing fluids organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 26 article agate berkeley edu isaackuo skippy berkeley edu wrote breathable liquids possible \? remember seeing old nova nature things idea touched upon \( might tv show \) nothing else , know liquids possible showed large glass full liquid , put white mouse \( rat \? \) since liquid dense , mouse would float , held clutching tail thing struggled quite bit , certainly held long enough breathing liquid never slow attempts swim top , may humane demonstrations , certainly shows breathable liquids made isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big 's incredible several years ago volume liquid rat breath considerably smaller human would breath , maybe possible rat human
subject clipper chip questions rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 21 sol tis com mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) writes scanning clipper reverse engineering algorithm missing something obvious \? could government done address possibility \? really care stays classified \? yeah , 're missing obvious fact since algorithm classified , reverse engineer chip , later publish , build compatible chip , 're classified information big load trouble n't think without changing law chip n't classified , reverse engineering allowed law \( possibly \) unless prohibited valid contract algorithm may classified , many court cases ruling information identical information , obtained unclassified sources , freely \( possible exception nuclear weapon information \) arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
fairfiel helios usq edu au \( raymond fairfield \) subject surviving large accelerations \? organization university southern queensland lines 27 eis calstate edu \( lan pham \) writes \( answer amruth laxman sure 45g right number \? far know , pilots blackout dives exceed 8g 9g 45g seems human tolerance would anybody clarify please lan apart fact get g pull , dive , figure right sustained g , protection duration g , 's rate onset , body position support aids critical parts equation remember one note players recording peaks , aviation doctor , either accident design , took short period rocket , eye balls standard \( 1950 's \) harness short , calculate stopping time , even 500 g bang seat get 60 g , 'd better sitting straight find book martin human guinea pig hear bad get rate onset high position good g suit keep pilot functioning around tank good bet , since treat body fluid , high pressure situations new anyone figures \? ray fairfield fairfiel zeus usq edu au
po cwru edu \( elisabeth davidson \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction reply po cwru edu \( elisabeth davidson \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 44 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu previous article , banschbach vms ocom okstate edu \( \) says least enlightened physicians practicing u 's really bad u medical schools n't cover nutrition , candida would viewed non disease many medical profession case western reserve med school teaches nutrition section well covering sections apply \( e b12 deficiency neuro cause , b12 deficiency cause \) , yet hold viewpoint mainstream medicine candida cause candidiasis , , already sick patients damaged immune systems like aids cancer patients , systemic candida infection think yeast connection bunch hooey well nutrition taught , anyway \? brief primer yeast yeast infections , commonly called , truely caused yeasts common organism responsible type infection candida albicans monilia actually yeast like fungus well , maybe i'm getting picky , always thought yeast one form fungus could exist , mold form many occur either yeasts molds , depending environment candida known reverse exists mold tissues exists yeast environment maybe call mold infection \? fungus infection \? maybe say caused mold like fungus martin banschbach , ph professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology osu college osteopathic medicine 1111 west 17th st tulsa , ok 74107 're chairman biochem micro n't know yeast form fungus \? \( shudder \) maybe know , oversimplifying \?
yoyo cc monash edu au \( david \) subject new religion forming sign organization monash university , melb , australia x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 1 alt religion spam \?
andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) subject usenet hockey draft final standings expires sat , 1 may 1993 06 00 01 gmt organization idacom , division hewlett packard lines 283 final usenet hockey draft congratulations year 's winner , dave wessels victoria , b c , initial 1000 points 1575 9 points ! thanks 262 teams entering biggest usenet hockey draft ever ! hope hear september , 7th annual draft pleasure running draft , hope fun andrew usenet hockey draft standings week 28 posn team total pts cash last posn 1 dave wessels 1575 9 1 9 \( 1 \) 2 gilles carmel 1539 0 1 0 \( 3 \) bob hill 1539 0 24 0 \( 2 \) 4 seppo kemppainen 2 47 2 \( 4 \) 5 awesome oilers 0 68 6 \( 5 \) 6 hillside raiders 0 7 0 \( 6 \) 7 mak knife paranjape 1500 0 1469 31 0 \( 7 \) 8 jan stein 1492 3 35 3 \( 8 \) 9 years model 6 1471 17 6 \( 9 \) 10 tapio repo 6 19 6 \( 10 \) 11 rangers destiny 0 1444 42 0 \( 10 \) 12 1 10 1 \( 13 \) 13 big fish 0 22 0 \( 12 \) 14 go flames 3 40 3 \( 15 \) 15 thin ice 1444 3 1412 32 3 \( 14 \) 16 mopar muscle men 1441 7 3 7 \( 17 \) 17 littlest giants 6 35 6 \( 16 \) 18 lindros losers 7 1 7 \( 18 \) 19 die penguin 1412 2 1392 20 2 \( 19 \) 20 samuel lau \( calgary , alberta \) 9 4 9 \( 20 \) 21 boomer 's boys 2 0 2 \( 21 \) 22 delaware 3 1371 1 3 \( 23 \) 23 general accounting office 9 20 9 \( 22 \) 24 menschen 6 1334 31 6 \( 24 \) 25 's dec nh 6 1311 52 6 \( 25 \) 26 fife flyers 4 31 4 \( 27 \) 27 rocky mountain high 8 1351 1 8 \( 26 \) 28 dave snell 1346 0 1321 25 0 \( 29 \) 29 glacial 1341 0 18 0 \( 30 \) 30 gerald olchowy 7 1304 33 7 \( 28 \) 31 2 1306 11 2 \( 31 \) 32 1316 3 1316 0 3 \( 32 \) 33 neural netters 3 1298 11 3 \( 35 \) 34 young 9 42 9 \( 33 \) 35 sam dogs 6 11 6 \( 34 \) 36 artic storm 3 1254 39 3 \( 37 \) 37 0 1238 101 7 \( 36 \) 38 soft swedes 9 1238 46 9 \( 38 \) 39 1280 8 20 8 \( 46 \) 40 milton keynes kings 8 2 8 \( 40 \) 41 jeff horvath 6 5 6 \( 39 \) 42 legion hoth 8 1250 15 8 \( 45 \) 43 le de 3 1239 25 3 \( 43 \) 44 yan man loke 1263 7 1263 0 7 \( 44 \) 45 1 1213 45 1 \( 41 \) 46 hoboken 1254 7 1246 8 7 \( 41 \) 47 streaks 1249 8 54 8 \( 49 \) 48 brian bergman 1249 3 23 3 \( 50 \) 49 finnish force 5 22 5 \( 47 \) 50 grant marven 1239 9 2 9 \( 53 \) 51 ice legion 1239 8 1211 28 8 \( 48 \) 52 goaldingers 0 22 0 \( 51 \) 53 c 1231 9 1229 2 9 \( 52 \) 54 randy coulman 2 1221 5 2 \( 62 \) 55 bruins 2 1180 45 2 \( 54 \) 56 skriko wolves 1223 4 5 4 \( 57 \) 57 buffalo soldiers 1223 0 62 1 \( 59 \) 58 houdini 's magicians 1221 3 1203 18 3 \( 56 \) 59 steven mark dream team 1 1216 3 1 \( 64 \) 60 real bad toe jam 1216 9 48 9 \( 55 \) 61 rec sport hockey choices 1216 3 1 3 \( 58 \) 62 1216 2 54 2 \( 60 \) 63 lamp lighters 1213 9 1208 5 9 \( 63 \) 64 lippe 1212 9 13 9 \( 61 \) 65 phil kev 's karma dudes 1205 8 1205 0 8 \( 69 \) 66 doug bowles 1203 0 1183 20 0 \( 72 \) 67 bloom county stars 3 1198 4 3 \( 67 \) 68 tom 1 1189 13 1 \( 66 \) 69 indianapolis 1197 8 1177 20 8 \( 65 \) 70 bruins 1196 1 1196 0 1 \( 68 \) 71 smithw 0 1174 21 0 \( 70 \) 72 aik 5 1154 34 5 \( 77 \) 73 iowa 3 16 3 \( 71 \) 74 frank worthless 1186 3 1180 6 3 \( 76 \) 75 great 1183 4 54 4 \( 73 \) 76 non ! 4 16 4 \( 74 \) 77 shooting 1180 1 1180 0 1 \( 75 \) 78 invisible inc 1178 1 1177 1 1 \( 78 \) 79 brad gibson 1174 2 1147 27 2 \( 79 \) 80 1170 8 1146 24 8 \( 80 \) 81 john 1170 1 27 1 \( 84 \) 82 david wong 0 1111 66 1 \( 83 \) 83 garryola 1165 7 9 7 \( 85 \) 84 gary bergman fan club 1163 1 5 1 \( 86 \) staffan axelsson 1163 1 15 1 \( 87 \) 86 0 1103 164 1 \( 81 \) 87 chocolate rockets 1154 5 2 5 \( 90 \) 88 plp fools 1 0 1 \( 82 \) 89 0 1097 76 1 \( 97 \) 90 checkers 1150 3 16 3 \( 88 \) 1150 3 1149 1 3 \( 93 \) 92 's dastardly dozen 1150 1 1128 22 1 \( 89 \) 93 ken 1147 0 1142 5 0 \( 91 \) 94 fisher 1146 7 1146 0 7 \( 92 \) 95 neil younger 1145 2 14 2 \( 106 \) 96 bsc 1 1137 7 1 \( 96 \) 97 1138 0 1083 58 2 \( 94 \) 98 arsenal maple leafs 1137 8 3 8 \( 98 \) 99 campi machine 1137 0 1082 65 3 \( 95 \) 100 1 6 1 \( 100 \) 101 bjoern leaguen 0 3 0 \( 103 \) 102 ellis islanders 6 1116 7 6 \( 99 \) 103 zachmans wingers 1122 8 1073 49 8 \( 101 \) 104 king 1120 1 1120 0 1 \( 108 \) 105 larry 1116 8 1105 11 8 \( 109 \) 106 1115 8 1084 31 8 \( 111 \) 107 1115 1 1073 42 1 \( 112 \) het schot hard 1115 1 1097 18 1 \( 110 \) 109 hurricane andrew 1114 6 7 6 \( 107 \) 110 dirty white socks 1114 4 1071 43 4 \( 104 \) 111 1114 0 1059 72 6 \( 105 \) 112 bruce 's rented mules 1111 9 1100 11 9 \( 112 \) 113 oklahoma 1111 3 1083 28 3 \( 116 \) 114 teem kanada 1111 0 1095 16 0 \( 114 \) 115 1110 9 1108 2 9 \( 102 \) 116 frank 's follies 1110 2 24 2 \( 115 \) 117 pond slime 7 0 7 \( 118 \) 118 1108 6 1096 12 6 \( 117 \) 119 dartmouth 1097 1 7 1 \( 119 \) 120 bunnies 1096 3 1056 40 3 \( 124 \) 121 blue talon 1095 3 1082 13 3 \( 121 \) 122 stanford ice hawks 2 1066 28 2 \( 122 \) 123 timo ojala 1088 3 1088 0 3 \( 125 \) 124 mark sanders 1088 1 1077 11 1 \( 120 \) 125 aye ! ! ! 9 1084 3 9 \( 123 \) 126 dirty rotten 2 1 2 \( 128 \) 127 team 1 1070 17 1 \( 133 \) 128 cluster buster 1084 6 1077 7 6 \( 127 \) 129 1083 3 1076 7 3 \( 126 \) 130 fuzzfaces 3 1058 23 3 \( 129 \) 131 gary bill pens dynasty 1078 6 1059 19 6 \( 132 \) 132 seattle 1077 9 1055 22 9 \( 135 \) 133 nesbitt 1077 1 1076 1 1 \( 131 \) 134 lost 1076 7 1070 6 7 \( 130 \) 135 le groupe mi 1076 2 1046 30 2 \( 137 \) 136 arctic circles 1075 6 1038 37 6 \( 134 \) 137 late night david letterman 1074 0 1074 0 0 \( 136 \) 138 1071 3 1071 0 3 \( 145 \) 139 wild hearted sons 1068 9 1064 4 9 \( 143 \) 140 hobbs 1066 4 1053 13 4 \( 149 \) 141 closet boy 's boys 1066 0 1018 48 0 \( 142 \) 142 scott glenn 1065 2 1055 10 2 \( 139 \) 143 go bruins 1064 2 1058 6 2 \( 138 \) 144 andy f wong 1063 5 1042 21 5 \( 145 \) book 'em 's 1063 5 1053 10 5 \( 148 \) 146 rocks rockers 1062 1 1057 5 1 \( 147 \) 147 92 93 1062 0 1042 20 0 \( 144 \) 148 team gold 1060 7 16 7 \( 141 \) 149 goddess fermentation 1056 2 1026 30 2 \( 151 \) 150 convex stars 1055 6 1050 5 6 \( 153 \) 151 flying 1055 1 1046 9 1 \( 140 \) 152 einstein 's rock band 1054 0 1054 0 0 \( 154 \) 153 dr joel 1053 7 1050 3 7 \( 165 \) 154 tim rogers 1053 1 1045 8 1 \( 152 \) 155 team 1053 0 998 174 8 \( 159 \) 156 tap 1052 5 1052 0 5 \( 156 \) 157 1052 4 1052 0 4 \( 166 \) 158 1052 0 1006 46 0 \( 157 \) 159 go habs go 0 1043 8 0 \( 150 \) 160 princeton canucks 1050 0 995 124 2 \( 155 \) 161 hubert 's hockey 1049 6 1049 0 6 \( 157 \) 162 satan 's choice 1047 5 1033 14 5 \( 164 \) 163 bob 's blues 1046 8 1000 46 8 \( 160 \) 164 les nordiques 1045 0 990 60 4 \( 162 \) 165 pierre 6 1042 2 6 \( 167 \) 166 1041 6 1038 3 6 \( 161 \) 167 slap shot marco 1039 8 988 51 8 \( 168 \) 168 hunters collectors 1038 4 996 42 4 \( 162 \) 169 1038 0 983 63 7 \( 173 \) 170 san jose mahi mahi 1036 8 1005 31 8 \( 169 \) 171 jeff 1034 8 986 48 8 \( 171 \) 172 east city jokers 1034 0 979 69 1 \( 174 \) 173 leafs rule ! ! ! ! 1033 8 1008 25 8 \( 170 \) 174 darse billings 1033 7 999 34 7 \( 178 \) 175 flowers 1033 0 978 113 6 \( 177 \) 176 daryl turner 1030 4 1028 2 4 \( 175 \) 177 inc 1030 3 1003 27 3 \( 180 \) 178 riding pine 1028 7 1008 20 7 \( 176 \) 179 spinal tap 1027 4 986 41 4 \( 181 \) 180 stimpy zeta 1027 0 1006 21 0 \( 172 \) 181 's 1024 0 1000 24 0 \( 179 \) 182 big bad bruins 1023 5 1005 18 5 \( 184 \) 183 enforcers 1022 1 994 28 1 \( 183 \) 184 mike mac cormack sydney ns 1022 0 967 107 2 \( 186 \) 1022 0 967 179 0 \( 182 \) 186 1020 4 23 4 \( 187 \) 187 yellow plague 1019 2 1005 14 2 \( 195 \) 188 jeff 1018 7 972 46 7 \( 184 \) 189 lehigh 1017 9 1009 8 9 \( 189 \) 190 1015 7 1013 2 7 \( 188 \) 191 republican dirty 1010 0 955 66 0 \( 190 \) 192 ninja turtles 1009 3 1008 1 3 \( 196 \) 193 dr 1009 1 992 17 1 \( 192 \) 194 henry 's bar b q 1008 7 1008 0 7 \( 191 \) 195 bunch misfits 1007 8 984 23 8 \( 193 \) 196 team 1007 0 977 30 0 \( 194 \) 197 cobra 's killers 1006 7 975 31 7 \( 202 \) 198 cherry bombers 1005 2 1 2 \( 203 \) 199 1003 5 985 18 5 \( 200 \) 200 great expectations 998 3 996 2 3 \( 201 \) 998 3 980 18 3 \( 198 \) 202 dragons 994 3 966 28 3 \( 199 \) 203 team 993 9 947 46 9 \( 197 \) 204 killer apes 990 3 966 24 3 \( 205 \) 205 988 6 951 37 6 \( 206 \) 206 jayson 's pucks 987 9 961 26 9 \( 204 \) 207 roger smith 987 6 948 39 6 \( 208 \) 208 firebirds 980 9 977 3 9 \( 209 \) 209 wholesale 980 7 979 1 7 \( 211 \) 210 umpire 4 life 980 1 969 11 1 \( 207 \) 211 1st weeks hurt ! 980 0 925 55 9 \( 210 \) 212 outlaws 975 0 920 164 9 \( 212 \) 213 400 hurricane 973 1 941 32 1 \( 223 \) 214 frack attack 972 3 945 27 3 \( 219 \) 215 believe dont 970 1 949 21 1 \( 215 \) 216 todd 's turkeys 967 9 966 1 9 \( 219 \) 217 thundering herd 966 0 911 163 6 \( 214 \) 218 knee injuries 965 4 955 10 4 \( 217 \) 219 200 club 962 8 956 6 8 \( 213 \) 220 fred 962 0 907 93 0 \( 222 \) 221 crazy euros 961 9 944 17 9 \( 218 \) 222 creeping death 959 3 938 21 3 \( 216 \) 223 ryan 's renegades 956 9 906 50 9 \( 221 \) 224 pig vomit 953 3 952 1 3 \( 224 \) 225 ice 952 0 897 105 4 \( 225 \) dayton bomber 952 0 952 0 0 \( 228 \) 227 cdn stuck alabama 951 3 941 10 3 \( 227 \) 228 fighting 950 0 895 141 6 \( 226 \) 229 crew 947 3 909 38 3 \( 229 \) 230 ship 's way 942 7 934 8 7 \( 235 \) 231 zipper heads 941 9 908 33 9 \( 232 \) 232 chris death 941 0 886 83 6 \( 230 \) 233 banko 's beer rangers 940 2 4 2 \( 232 \) 234 939 7 921 18 7 \( 231 \) 235 oz 934 0 899 35 0 \( 237 \) 236 ii 931 0 876 201 6 \( 236 \) 237 ninja bunnies 928 9 884 44 9 \( 239 \) 238 great scott 928 0 873 73 3 \( 240 \) 239 joliet inmates 927 8 882 45 8 \( 238 \) 240 ny flames 923 8 916 7 8 \( 234 \) 241 sabres 917 7 913 4 7 \( 243 \) 242 white wolves 910 9 874 36 9 \( 241 \) 243 florida tech team 909 3 860 49 3 \( 246 \) 244 ice holes 908 7 906 2 7 \( 242 \) 245 south carolina tiger paws 903 0 848 78 4 \( 245 \) daves team 903 0 871 32 0 \( 244 \) 247 kings 900 6 873 27 6 \( 250 \) 248 898 9 883 15 9 \( 252 \) 249 roadrunners 898 5 880 18 5 \( 249 \) 250 xtc 898 2 890 8 2 \( 248 \) 251 blue chips 894 4 884 10 4 \( 247 \) 252 new jersey rob 891 7 891 0 7 \( 251 \) 253 pat phillips 891 1 881 10 1 \( 253 \) 254 stewart clamen 869 6 868 1 6 \( 254 \) 255 demon spawn 868 0 843 25 0 \( 255 \) 256 sunnyvale storm 815 2 815 0 2 \( 256 \) 257 allez les blues 803 0 748 476 9 \( 257 \) 258 sale hockey club 785 0 762 23 0 \( 258 \) 259 picks 783 0 728 168 5 \( 259 \) 260 rinaco 780 0 725 114 0 \( 260 \) 261 revenge 705 0 701 4 0 \( 261 \) 262 riga 658 0 603 571 6 \( 262 \) andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom operation \( 403 \) 462 0666 ext 253 roman era , 28 considered old
matthews oswego edu \( harry matthews \) subject pregnency without sex \? reply matthews oswego oswego edu \( harry matthews \) organization instructional computing center , suny oswego , oswego , ny lines 7 right , listen possibilities transmission swimming pool water \? especially n't par \? 've heard community swimming pools refered public urinals else going \?
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject cherry coach 's corner summary april 21 , 1993 nntp posting host swanlake cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 83 's summary cherry 's coach 's corner april 21 , 1993 game broadcast region la calgary , although think filmed toronto detroit game night \( warning anti fighting people may want skip post \) topics 's tie , grant fuhr , penalties , wings vs leafs , fighting , dale hunter episode summary episode began camera 's tie pointing characters tie bugs bunny , foghorn leghorn , sam \( called macdonald \) ron maclean began mentioning almost evicted hotel watching previous night 's games , yelling cheering play hunter fuhr began praise fuhr , calling greatest goalie , said 's winning series boston showed clips earlier episodes \( nov 14 , jan 16 \) fuhr still leafs , advised n't trade fuhr ! went predict buffalo gets boston , would fuhr wins series muckler took lot heat trade , feels muckler 's vindicated next topic involved playoff games ruined many penalty calls showed clip winnipeg vancouver game , domi hit vancouver player , given 2 min penalty ron said called penalty stick involved , stuck opinion good hit , domi hitting vancouver player shoulder sad 're hockey 5 minute penalty next , went playoff series detroit toronto people detroit calling wendel clarke wendy fighting however , pointed probert fighting either lead fighting stickwork , banning fighting leads high sticking 's like college hockey little wee guy brave anybody 's 're seeing much stickwork know wo n't drop gloves give shot rules made people n't know 's going hockey final topic discussed dale hunter pointed leading league goals , showed clip hunter previous game younger , hunter taught play win , differs today 's idea letting kids fun end episode , showed clip coach 's corner , tape fast forward , sounded like one rating typical anti fighting posturing , much humour , good quotes 'd give 7 0 10 allan sullivan \( allan cs ualberta ca \) department computing science , university alberta , edmonton , alberta , canada \( \) opinions mine mine alone amazing much accomplished one cares gets credit u golden bears hockey motto \( c drake \)
teague mdc com \( chris teague 7 \) subject 66dx2 math co pro vs 50dx organization mdssc ssd lines 7 reply teague chris ssdgwy mdc com nntp posting host mdc com summary math performace 486 66dx2 vs 486 50dx x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 486 cpu give better performance math intensive programs , 486 66 dx2 486 50 dx \? thanks advance , chris teague
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject emm386 windows nntp posting host monica us oracle com reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 40 article ardie 313 ux1 cso uiuc edu ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu \( ardie mack \) writes pc almost exclusively run windows dos based application config sys emm386 loaded option noems \( expanded memory \) following thread one comp newsgroups , read necessary emm386 loaded indeed , manual , says emm386 used get expanded memory extended memory since noems option , seems emm386 device useless case use emm386 remove config sys \? thanks help , eric emm386 noems enables system use upper memory 640 1024 's good place device drivers , dos kernal , etc \( keep ! \) well , thought sys would took emm386 config sys , i'm still loading drivers high \( mouse , vga shadow bios , dos key etc \) n't checked mem c , believe managed load high \( ie 640kb \) also , ever since took emm386 , windows loads slightly faster , get 3 extra meg windows \( i'm running 386 enhanced 4 meg ram , 7 meg swap \) got rid ctrl alt del reboot problem \( , computer would reboot using ctrl alt del exiting windows \) would really like keep emm386 config sys anybody else info \? \? \? eric
packard aplcomm jhuapl edu \( mike packard \) subject upgrading windows nt lines 11 organization jhu apl x newsreader ftpnuz \( dos \) v1 0 lines 7 article 3 psilink com nathan gregory psilink com says 'd like appeal net 's nt wizards bit advice sounds like good question , hardware specific , general please respond via news e mail probably alot people wanting read replies , including mike packard aplcomm jhuapl edu
data cac stratus com \( steve \) subject market sunroofs \( power moonroof big type \) makes best \? keywords sunroof article transfer organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 16 nntp posting host data cac stratus com hello , know market sunroofs may left bad taste mouths , really interested finding good brand one exists please let know heard makers good reputation \( failures , leaks , sort thing \) whether first hand experience manufacturer generally regarded industry best \( price object \) maker power sunroofs \? \? steve steve reply cac stratus com stratus computer marlboro
plains nodak edu \( daniel \) subject vga graphics library keywords c , library , graphics article ns1 organization north dakota higher education computing network lines 11 nntp posting host plains nodak edu article uucp bill uucp \( bill sheppard \) writes \) many high end graphics cards come c source code basic graphics \) sorts things \( change colors , draw points lines polygons fills , etc \) \) library exist generic vga graphics cards chips , hopefully \) public domain \? would purpose compiling non dos \) operating system running standard pc check server code x11r5 \( xfree86 \) daniel un \? x \( \) electrical engineering plains nodak edu shalom , north dakota
cs utexas edu \( irfan \) subject qur'an atheists \( jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza \) organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 20 nntp posting host pageboy cs utexas edu article 2 p00261 psilink com robert knowles p00261 psilink com writes date sun , 25 apr 1993 10 13 30 gmt fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au qur'an talks take lusts worldly desires god think probably encompasses atheists fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au well muslim men screwing fourteen year old prostitutes thailand got better quote \? wonder quote forms justification , belief arrived ! ! ! ! !
dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) subject thoughts christians organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 17 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote social pressure indeed important factor majority passive christians world today case early christianity promise heavenly afterlife , independent social status , also promising gift \( reason slaves non romans accepted religion rapidly \) hypothetical proposition , say , 's fact , cite sources amateur sociologist sub branch however , would suffice alert screwing around would accept sources \? thing written lots books could start erich 's dogma christ doug graham dgraham bnr ca opinions
tip lead tmc edu \( tom \) subject slick tries ways , organization university arizona unix users group lines 19 today rush criticizing clinton claiming responsibility actions decisions janet reno fbi early enough suit rush 2 months ago rush fact reagan stumped special walsh n't remember asked ollie north rush 's criticism clinton applied reagan north reagan would north convicted \( overturned \) gosh , rush sure wants ways clinton must held responsible , reagan clever using amnesia defense maybe 's clinton say campaign promises well , go rush tell truth , n't loop n't remember
ee92jks brunel ac uk \( jonathan k saville \) subject pgp get \? organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 22 jeff hupp \( jhupp shockwave win net \) wrote things heard pgp encryption program anybody know might get version program runs windows 3 1 , ms dos , unix w source \? writting unix access running nifty windows moment pgp available executable format ms dos mac , source code platforms including unix many ftp sites keep copy \( although mac version getting hard find \) try following site soda berkeley edu pub cypherpunks pgp jon jon saville alive say , art ee92jks brunel ac uk poet , may tell thy dreams \? ' , pgp 2 2 public key available upon request finger
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject genesis games sale trade nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 10 following games sale trade make offer trouble shooter time sandiego \? brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu subject bruins fans \? \? \? organization administrative computing info services , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 3 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 93113 psuvm psu edu good point n't even recent posts ulf ! secretly , i'm convinced 's responsible bs 3 0 buffalo , somehow
bdm cs rit edu \( brendan mckay \) subject dir yassin nntp posting host virginia organization rochester institute technology , rochester , ny lines 50 article hm angell cs brown edu hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes myths facts , leonard j davis , near east research inc , 1989 pp 108 109 unlike plo 's almost exclusive focus civilian targets , 100 troups irgun stern group struck deir yassin april 10 , 1948 , targeted village military importance deir yassin road jerusalem , arabs since facts myths n't even know deir yassin , pay attention rest says \? blockaded , housed iraqi troups palestinian irregulars snipers based deir yassin constant threat jewish citizens jerusalem arab civilians killed deir yassin , attack conform propaganda picture arabs tried paint number arabs killed generally reported 250 1983 , however , eric silver guardian \( britain \) interviewed survivor , sammour , testified 116 population 800 1000 killed three days massacre , ' sammour explained , five clans deir yassin met moslem offices jerusalem made list people found \( alive \) went names nothing happend since 1948 make think figure wrong ' account eric silver valid point f makes find together evidence analysis silver 's biography begin also silver 's book find documentary evidence nearly everything else f 's account pure bullshit unlike plo 's deliberate attacks civilians , killing civilians deir yassin premeditated attackers left open escape corridor village 200 residents left unharmed remaining arabs feigned surrender fired jewish troops , attackers killed arab soldiers civilians indiscriminately independent observers told guardian among bodies found arab men disguised women pretty disgusting guardian told one two feeble old men dressed women 's clothing pathetic attempt escape death see silver 's book brendan
wex cs ulowell edu \( paul wexelblat \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive reply wex cs ulowell edu organization univ lowell cs dept lines 18 article 357 almaden ibm com , jmichael vnet ibm com writes jmichael vnet ibm com date tue , 27 apr 93 09 00 18 edt subject solvent duct tape adhesive removing goo , use pure grain alcohol \) alcohol work try carbon neither work may need heat makes gas ww poison gas fame \( remember used carbon fire \? \) \( yes , know yelling \) wex
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject message mr president know happened \? organization stephen f austin state university lines 108 article utarlg uta edu , b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) writes article 1993apr21 ccsvax sfasu edu , f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes article 1993apr21 1 ccsua ctstateu edu , ccsua ctstateu edu writes told friends mine two weeks ago koresh dead fbi batf could let man like live testimonial stupidity lies deleted unfortunately , think 've got figured pretty well also ask question plan many months important \? government really \? seal warrant \? koresh first second amendments , among others \? allow play devils advocate moment jg n't expect find devil 's role , stephen , times try men 's souls called many months planning probably intelligence collecting paperwork interviews nine months , understand doubt accounts significant amount time government efficiency spending tax dollars would certainly seek absolute minimum event gut instinct says hand took careful k extent attack meshes well restrictive gun control legislation seems agenda day also fits pattern increased government interference personal religious beliefs randy weaver trial 's important justifies budgets quarrel big bang theory always apt appropriation time n't possess single motive warrant sealed keep government 's case certainly think publication warrant undermines government 's case since makes claims illegal action therefore federal judge reason seal reminded senator frank church 's remark secrecy trademark totalitarian government rarely sufficient motive seal warrant nation free people probably one actually exercising instead , system bureaucratic rules set incidents like computer programs periodically especially used fringe areas \( cf hostage rescue program \) therefore one charge one reasonably held responsible argue logic \? long suspected government become mindless machine go confirm worst fears ! become beast programmed simply say kiss toe get piece pie \? suspect bugs program arise agents love critter independent thoughts , generally speaking , protecting jobs , budgets , watching terminator ii waited 444 days hostages come home iran gave people 51 days 186 died alamo 86 died day waco yes , 186 seeds new republic 86 \? rev 11 9 people tongues nations shall see dead bodies three days half , shall suffer dead bodies put graves burial \? bodies witnesses said property state \? typical bureaucratic delay \? rev 11 10 dwell upon earth shall rejoice , make merry , shall send gifts one another two prophets tormented earth stephen , sensed lately \? j stephen joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
buzz apple com \( steve bollinger \) subject stereo sound problem \( \? \) mac games organization apple computer , inc lines 68 article ingemar isy ingemar , ingemar isy liu se writes enter game developers sound driver current sound manager lame making games sound driver pretty ok , since 's fast sound manager used book useless sound channels soon sound completed question games smooth animation \( 's slow \) would dispose channel going play sounds soon \? trying write game , n't using instead , make channel use play sounds works great add callbacks channel also let know channel getting empty gets empty sound driver much sound manager unfortunately , system 7 supports poorly , making programs crash occasionally moral story developers cheat ! well , want code work old systems n't know sys 7 1 , least 6 0 7 , bugs sound manager causes channels hang \( error message \) keep channel open long periods necessary performance play many sounds , stopping sounds halfway callbacks seems reliable way safely tell sound stopped playing inspect private variables channel \( , think \) , way found tell channel hung inspect undocumented flag modify callbacks reliable , found 100 reliable , even system 4 1 continuous background sound interrupting sound effects system 6 0 im v documentation probably callback commands channels , course n't get called general , problems sounds working play one per channel close channel \( related slowdown \) , play one n't work , adding one synthesizer channel , possibly one multiple times might calling channel sound resource adds sampled sound synthesizer channel first thing plays sampled sounds command start need resedit sound remove command , create channel , specify sampled sound synthesizer channel 's synth use asynch 's want 'll probably want switch 's , since going use anyway add callbacks go ahead tell full , sound manager n't work games , remember , spectre uses works great spectre spare cpu time , one little disclaimer say sound manager iisi ca n't made work right i'm sure either way , know sure make sounds work 100 correctly every machine using sound manager steve
david tsai andrew cmu edu subject c610 tempest \? organization senior , social decision sciences , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 5 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu going possible upgrade c610 tempest \? , motherboard switch \? probably gonna expensive right \? dt
murray andromeda rutgers edu \( murray \) subject upgrading mac plus se use superdrive organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 14 hello , lab old macs \( ses pluses \) n't enough money buy new machines , considering buying superdrives old macs allow folks high density disks use equipment wondering experiences \( good bad \) people sort upgrade murray murray andromeda rutgers edu
jmann vineland pubs stratus com \( jim mann \) subject time peak players organization stratus computer inc , marlboro lines 16 reply jmann vineland pubs stratus com nntp posting host pubs stratus com article 1993apr20 alleg edu luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes interesting , gehrig bonds schmidt ricky henderson \? could steal bases , hitting stats even close 's uhhhh winfield \? henderson 's stat 's probably closer dimaggio 's think jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com
carter cae wisc edu \( carter gregory \) subject help scsi woes mac iifx organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 21 article 1993apr17 news unomaha edu salmon cwis unomaha edu \( david salmon \) writes according official documentation , failure use iifx terminator affect scsi bus performance also damage bus whether problem n't know scsi problems iifx since bought \( cannot connect three devices , fourth one causes major problems \) first thing try reformat drive someone elses system continue get errors probably drive formats fine would try format system fails scsi controller iifx needs repair replacement hope helps david c salmon salmon unomaha edu tried scsi bus balanced \? greg
davet interceptor cds tek com \( dave tharp cds \) subject looking movies w bikes organization tektronix colorado data systems , englewood , co lines 15 silver dream racer frustrated brit club racer 's buddy dies , leaving built garage revolutionary , experimental 500 gp bike brit club racer uses machine beat bad american bad japanese factory bike british gp filmed , believe pretty bad dave tharp dod 0751 ca n't wear davet interceptor cds tek com mra 151 indian scout , '88 k75s '48 indian chief ahrma 751 brother chief '75 r90s \( 151 \) '72 tr 2b \( 751 \) ama 524737 're built like rocks '65 r50 2 velorex '57 nsu max take knocks , 1936 bmw r12 \( compulsive 's harleys employer idea joiner \) give grief
subject new hampshire maine non resident carry permit application kim39 scws8 harvard edu \( john kim \) distribution na organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws8 harvard edu lines 9 live near plan vacation new hampshire maine , posting basic info apply \( ccw \) states non residents post rec guns j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu
hall vice ico tek com \( hal f lillywhite \) subject mormon temples organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 24 article may 11 02 38 41 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes interested claim early christian practices parallel mormon temple ceremonies could give example \? also , parallel mormon ceremonies \? n't mormon ceremonies restore original christian practices \? n't whole point joseph smith 's stated mission \? want parallels best source probably book temple cosmos hugh nibley light reading however early practices parallel exactly duplicate modern lds ceremony , couple reasons 1 quite likely exact original ancient times stuff commonly known bits pieces undoubtedly spread \( much bits pieces modern ceremony get known \) 40 day literature , egyptian ceremonies , certain native american ceremonies almost certainly exactly jesus taught 2 certain aspects ceremony normally modified fit situation , much modern ceremony modified fit audio visual tools available
hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) subject news missed reply hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) organization ncsu chem eng lines 38 article bony1 bony com , jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article 1993may7 175730 12246 ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) writes article optima cs arizona edu , bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) writes article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes ny times , sunday , may 2 , article somalia , reporter writes last year , iran quietly took four islands belonging united arab emirates deported people , hardly protest united states anyone know referring \? seem missed \( spiked , doubt \) something nyt sources days ongoing border , iranians kicked uae people briefly reported \( many moons ago \) n't recall reading public us comment strong protest probably would seen islands would abu musa , greater lesser , presume n't know fourth latter two islands belong iran according ny times , 4 islands belong united arab emirates jake livni ny times error simply opinion even arab sources use make claim , course , assuming ny times refering islands named islands , abu musa dispute iranian occupation island predates existence uae brad hernlem
albnyvms bitnet subject reply albnyvms bitnet organization university albany , suny lines 10 1988 burton air bindings triple strap back binding board bag included recently 139 firm albnyvms bitnet
newman cps msu edu \( timothy newman \) subject domestic content us japan joint ventures organization department computer science , michigan state university lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host howell cps msu edu originator newman howell cps msu edu anyone know domestic content geo prizm , eagle talon , ford probe \? made us , told contain mostly foreign parts please follow directly , 'll post findings net interest thanks ! tim newman newman cps msu edu
adam microware com \( adam goldberg \) subject choice gauges nntp posting host ren organization microware systems corp , des moines , iowa distribution usa lines 25 article vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com \( dave gauge \) writes free reign design instrument cluster , gauges would choose beyond basic set \? oil pressure , oil temperature coolant temperature manifold vacuum , voltmeter fuel pressure maybe \( problematic , since either need electronic sensor gauge pair mount damn thing outside car \) addition , 'd nice big red idiot light connected oil pressure , oil temp , coolant temp , voltmeter heaps , 's hard look time case oil pressure , example , want know right away oil pump goes bad , unlike coolant temperature , minute two 0 oil pressure would bad thing \( tm \) adam adam g microware com , ! uunet ! ! construed way official unofficial statements microware , microware employees
distribution world mario murphy bmug org organization bmug , inc subject sad mac code 0f0064 \? \? \? lines 12 believe would system error 64 since error 64 , would guess would 64 error font manager error error font would assume system 's floppy trying start corrupted font , something like mario murphy planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
sigma rahul net \( kevin martin \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 \( silly \) nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network lines 26 skates gsfc nasa gov xrcjd mudpuppy gsfc nasa gov \( charles j divine \) writes article geraldo cc utexas edu mark cartwright markc emx utexas edu writes course question yet discovered question later revealed 9 x 6 \? \( base 13 system , course \) read last couple books series closely \( well , 3 4 least \) , least two points real question implied conversations proceed much like zaphod ultimate question , wonder \? arthur \( paying much attention zaphod , needing random seed infinite drive \) think number , number actually , may marvin uses phrase times well , everytime 's arranged think number , number could answer someone 's question question kind like 's even pick number tell number , think one kevin martin sigma rahul net use flipper !
dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) subject cordless phone reply dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) organization pics online ! multiuser system 609 753 2540 lines 23 uniden cordless phone model xe 300 perfect working condition , base station missing antenna \( antenna mount intact \) 25 , shipping included prepaid reply dino fiabane pics com mail bounce sent address instead , please reply via private e mail pics ! dino fiabane twwells com \( since home bbs handle personal messages e mail time , replies also arrive via e mail instead way regular newsgroup \) dino fiabane , 150 weston drive , cherry hill , nj phone \( 609 \) 424 slmr 2 1a reply pics ! dino fiabane twwells com via e mail pics online multiuser system \( 609 \) 753 2540 hst 609 753 1549 \( v32 \) massive file collection 45 , 000 files online 250 newsgroups
ch subject 16bit dma failure system halted organization university st , switzerland lines 21 486 50mhz isa board cache 16 megs ram bought new soundblaster 16 tried install card uses 16bit dma channel could select channel 5 7 first card ever installed uses 16bit dma transfer tested card first time , computer crashed got parity error system halted happens either dos also windows seems 16 bit dma channels working properly \( exe tests ok first access \) well , anybody know solution problem special test program dma problems \? eliminated problem using 8 bit dma channel makes system slow ! thanks help markus
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject jack morris organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , distribution na lines 31 1993apr20 1 stsci edu stsci edu writes ok , roger , 's question say running expansion team n't team moment , draft coming going pick , guys ws rings , guys could contribute team say reds dumb enough protect larkin , jays n't protect alfredo would pick \? expansion team \? i'm pretty sure would go rings , long salaries ages n't high would want fans able identify players would like championship attitude clubhouse larkin griffin \? salaries aside , would consider player contribute ws victory past performance , age attitude would integral decision certainly would n't haul copy pick larkin , many others would , unlike many others post group , hardly consider make kinds decisions \( ca n't believe i'm getting involved \) never able believe , tell truth 's like banging head stone wall cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject 10 azeri soil occupied fascist x soviet armenia reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 117 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes people think 10 azeri soil occupied fascist x soviet armenian government recently armenians attacked azeri town khojaly massacred thousands azeris paris based democracy human rights puts number victims 3 , 145 dead scalped mutilated sedar , , ever even considered buying dictionary \? know definition fascist \? n't look , post , prove say sunday times 8 march 1992 fill azeris head war thomas goltz , first report massacre armenian soldiers worst violence since breakup soviet union , reports agdam khojaly used barren town , empty shops dirt roads yet still home thousands people , happier times , tended fields flocks geese last week wiped map sickening reports azerbaijani border town agdam , bodies piled , little doubt khojaly stark gullies around site terrible massacre since soviet union broke apart last visit khojaly january people predicting fate grim resignation , mother four board helicopter us town , called community sitting ducks , ready get shot family among victims massacre february 26 armenians taken villages , one one , government nothing , 55 , father five , said next drive us kill us , said , wife couple , three sons three daughters killed assault , many people spoken close armenian lines knew would cross road , first units column ran across hell broke loose bullets raining sides entered trap azeri defenders picked one one survivors say armenian forces began slaughter , firing anything moved gullies video taken azeri cameraman , wailing crying filmed body body , showed grizzly trail death leading towards higher , ground villagers sought refuge armenians armenians shot shot shot , said omar , lying hospital agdam wounds saw wife daughter fall right people wandered hospital looking news loved ones vented fury foreigners daughter , son \? mother raped butchered lost azerbaijan said many 1 , 000 refugees killed tried flee armenians denied , saying civilians caught crossfire hitler asked world history would say extermination jews said today remembers armenians idiot real \? , remembers today extermination tartars \? ' \( adolf hitler , august 22 , 1939 ruth w \( \) , turkish holocaust turk , p 213 \) kill armenians age sex talaat pasha must left net believe asala sdpa arf forgeries clown turks kurds wherever find whatever circumstances find turkish children also killed form danger armenian nation ' \( hamparsum 1914 \) 1 1 varandian , history dashnaktsutiun , p 85 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
jtchern ocf berkeley edu \( joseph hernandez \) subject mlb standings scores tue , apr 20th , 1993 organization jtc enterprises sports division \( major league baseball dept \) lines 74 distribution world nntp posting host monsoon ether berkeley edu keywords mlb , 04 20 note saturday , april 20th 's scores sent coming friday mlb standings scores tuesday , april 20th , 1993 \( including yesterday 's games \) national west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 08 05 615 7 3 1 05 02 03 03 houston astros 07 05 583 0 5 7 3 1 02 04 05 01 atlanta braves 07 07 500 1 5 4 6 lost 1 04 03 03 04 los angeles dodgers 06 07 462 2 0 4 6 3 03 03 03 04 san diego padres 05 07 417 2 5 5 5 3 03 04 02 03 colorado rockies 04 07 364 3 0 4 6 lost 1 03 03 01 04 cincinnati reds 03 09 250 4 5 2 8 1 02 04 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 09 03 750 7 3 1 05 01 04 02 pittsburgh pirates 07 05 583 2 0 5 5 lost 3 03 02 04 03 st louis cardinals 07 05 583 2 0 6 4 lost 3 04 02 03 03 new york mets 06 05 545 2 5 5 5 lost 1 02 03 04 02 chicago cubs 06 06 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 03 03 03 03 montreal expos 06 06 500 3 0 5 5 1 03 03 03 03 florida marlins 04 08 333 5 0 3 7 lost 1 02 04 02 04 american west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 08 03 727 7 3 2 04 02 04 01 california angels 06 04 600 1 5 6 4 lost 1 03 02 03 02 minnesota twins 06 05 545 2 0 6 4 lost 1 03 03 03 02 chicago white sox 05 07 417 3 5 4 6 lost 3 02 03 03 04 seattle mariners 05 07 417 3 5 4 6 1 03 02 02 05 oakland athletics 04 06 400 3 5 4 6 lost 4 04 02 00 04 kansas city royals 03 09 250 5 5 3 7 1 01 05 02 04 american east boston red sox 10 03 769 7 3 3 06 01 04 02 detroit tigers 07 05 583 2 5 7 3 lost 1 05 01 02 04 toronto blue jays 07 05 583 2 5 6 4 1 04 02 03 03 new york yankees 06 06 500 3 5 5 5 lost 2 03 03 03 03 milwaukee brewers 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 2 02 02 02 03 cleveland indians 05 08 385 5 0 3 7 lost 1 04 03 01 05 baltimore orioles 04 07 364 5 0 4 6 1 02 03 02 04 yesterday's scores \( idle teams listed alphabetical order \) national league american league houston astros ppd chicago white sox 0 chicago cubs rain boston red sox 6 atlanta braves idle toronto blue jays 7 cincinnati reds idle cleveland indians 1 colorado rockies idle seattle mariners 10 florida marlins idle detroit tigers 6 los angeles dodgers idle baltimore orioles idle montreal expos idle california angels idle new york mets idle kansas city royals idle philadelphia milwaukee brewers idle pittsburgh pirates idle minnesota twins idle st louis cardinals idle new york yankees idle san francisco giants idle oakland athletics idle san diego padres idle texas rangers idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject iisi clock poll results long organization university washington lines 161 nntp posting host carson u washington edu summary results iisi clock modification poll keywords iisi , clock , poll poll conducted help users decide whether alter iisi clock oscillator attempted gather many case histories possible find estimate success risk number replies probably shows rare modification give impression success rates may higher previous 80 estimate 24 24 machines able run 25 mhz add boards present scientific survey best work thanks contributed poll issues speed \) 25 mhz 27 5 mhz appears norm machines without add cards reported machines able use 25 mhz long add cards present several apple nubus cards use machine nubus adapter able go faster 25 mhz one n't even able achieve 25 mhz nubus adapter place speeds 32 33 mhz , startup sound distorted hi density floppy disk problems reported note unless specifically listed , machines tested higher speed clock failure hence , 25 mhz operational machines may well work higher speeds damage \) one user reported pulling one pad repaired machine operational one reported pulling pin original clock oscillator one second hand report user putting motherboard slipped soldering iron reports static discharge damage reports high speed operation causing damage , also n't reports users defective parachutes add boards \) compatibility appears problem apple nubus adapters several add boards used success see case histories heat sinks \) virtually modified machines heat sink installed often 220 style power transistor type used epoxy used dab heat sink compound dab glue also use clamp bolt hole motherboard case histories speeds effective cpu speed \( 1 2 clock oscillator \) reported cpu versions 20 mhz 1 \) 27 5 mhz operational ran 10 minutes 31 mhz crashing fpu add card cpu 24 hours day damage installation 2 \) 27 5 mhz operational without apple nubus adapter 25 mhz top speed apple nubus card installed cpu 24 hours day floppy problems damage installation 3 \) 27 5 mhz operational unable boot 31 mhz cpu floppy problems damage installation 4 \) 25 mhz operational works following two configurations \) fpu adaptor card cache card supermac 8 24 b \) supermac fpu adaptor card supermac video spigot supermac 8 24 5 \) 33 mhz operational fuzzy startup sound problems hi density disks 6 \) 33 mhz operational fuzzy startup sound heat sink cpu chip right cpu 7 \) 25 mhz operational occasional crash 33 mhz 8 \) 25 mhz operational using fpu rated 16 mhz without difficulty 9 \) 25 mhz operational pds adapter spectrum graphics card , 20mhz fpu heat sink cpu 10 \) 25 mhz operational 33 mhz failed several hours 11 \) 25 mhz operational 5 80 quicksilver fpu \( upgrade \) 12 \) 25 mhz operational tried 33 mhz system wo n't start heat sink cpu configured fpu adapter card supermac 8 24 cache cpu continuously problems floppy works fine 1 4mb 25 mhz 13 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 14 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 15 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 16 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 17 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 17 19 hours per day 18 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu cooling fan floppy problems 25 mhz 19 \) 20 mhz operational bombed soon startup 25 mhz nubus adapter 20 mhz rated cpu ram 70 ns slots , 80 motherboard 20 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink added cpu later damage apple nubus adapter fpu installed 21 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 22 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 23 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu 24 \) 25 mhz operational heat sink cpu guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) subject radio freq used measure distance \? organization hewlett packard vcd x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 26 robert g carpenter \( rgc3679 bcstec ca boeing com \) wrote i'm wondering 's possible use radio waves measure distance transmitter \( \) receiver \? seems able measure signal strength determine distance would short distances \( 2000 ft \) , would need accuracy 6 inches , might try looking whats available laser locating systems work best close work \( 1 mile \) rf used much longer distances two major modes transponder phase transponder requires send pulse another station returns measure round trip time minus receiver time phase measurements require two transmitting stations sending frequency signal multiplexed time receiver pick measure phase shift signals maps drawn plot lines position correspond certain phase shift two stations john eaton ! hp vcd ! johne
eskimo com \( herb \) subject rabin palestinians organization eskimo north \( 206 \) 367 3837 seattle , wa lines 12 providing safety security one 's people fundamental responsibility political entity palestinian leadership refuse accept responsibility , e take responsibility protect people radical palestinian elements opposed peace process , reprehensible argue palestinian police force would established order control peaceful political groups reality palestinian leadership , far , exercise control radical palestinian elements effectively deal killing palestinians palestinians problem solved palestinian people
daniels math ufl edu \( tv 's big dealer \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization university florida 's college liberal arts sciences lines 35 call today old testament written approx 168 bce , according modern scholars aside book daniel , whole ot predates alexander \( great \) books written \( predominantly \) hebrew also books written time later greek speaking , hellenistic , jews books reckoned many denominations apocrypha closing writings , third part today called canon , books use jews day however , reckoned \( based zech 13 \) prophecy ceased faction maintained true prophets day also maintained literature prophetic character could genuine teachings god time c 65 ce , another faction entered mess christians come claiming writings also suitable read synagogues used worship therefore , palestinian jewish leaders got together stated books written time ben sira \( sirach \) onward sacred writings justified zech 13 particular , said , writings christians \( called heretics \) inspired 90 ce , codified things closing canon somewhat official sense council jamnia books \( , song songs , esther \) made date , written prior official cut point \( time ben sira \) inclusion established order keep christian hellenistic writings jerome excluded use jews day \( except sirach \) found hebrew time criterion separating pre christian writings based plenty say , time passage quote concerns book \( rev \) found frank
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization express access online communications usa lines 25 nntp posting host access digex net article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article access digex net prb access digex net \( pat \) writes , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable design solar arrays detachable shuttle going retunr hst , bother arrays detached emergency expensive hardware thrown away casually \( bearing mind nobody knew design defective \) deployment crew found nasty flaw lid failing open , example would bit embarrassing throw solar arrays away get thing back payload bay guess 's kind aesthetics argument see solar arrays expensive , could would throwing away brand new solar cells , seems cheap compared shuttle mission , would n't think would bother pat
cit cornell edu \( dean robinson \) subject buying high speed v everything modem nntp posting host cit cornell edu organization cornell university lines 20 rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( eric behr \) writes quick summary recent findings high speed modems top three contenders seem paradyne , zyxel , us robotics zyxel biggest cult following , 300 , ignored need something mac software , work without tweaking n't ignored zyxel purchased mac bundle , includes hardware handshaking cable software bundle adds 35 60 price modem , depending supplier true modem mac specific docs , n't require much \( aside setting d0 init string , enable hardware handshaking \) information zyxel , including sources , look various files sumex aim stanford edu , info mac report disclaimer affiliation zyxel , though buy zyxel modem
khalid bunce hw stratus com \( khalid chishti \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 46 nntp posting host bunce hw stratus com appeal show washington dc saturday participate peaceful demonstration sake humanity ! ! critical point history world make change otherwise things change bosnia rapes killings ethnic cleansing go norm days follow un get towns fall thousands inocent civilians \( like past weekend ! \) happened jews 1940 's , 's happening muslims today next victim \? \? since europeans want remain indifferent issue , time come us take leadership role stop crimes humanity time real folks , people new england bosnian relief committee seriously believe clinton 's adminstration stop supporting bosnian cause without sustained public pressure called sen john kerry 's office saying \( senator \) waiting president take decision , means wait join band wagon later ever moves ! please n't rely others take part demonstration individual make big difference bring families , help great cause also fun know several families massachusetts travelling friday night participate contact local islamic center bosnia relief agency want travel pre arranged busses best option students rent car car pool please , spread word around regards , khalid chishti live massachusetts want info call \( new england bosnian relief committee \) 617 623 1973 new england bosnian relief committee phone \( 617 \) 464 0111 disclaimer opinions nothing employer
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject dc x publicity organization express access online communications usa lines 4 distribution sci nntp posting host access digex net even better make pete conrad martian suit , get ou throw football refs
chico acc iit edu \( users \) subject quadra 900 950 article iitmax 1993apr22 organization illinois institute technology , chicago lines 17 reply armani edgeway wimsey bc ca 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 16 59 07 pst x news reader vms news 1 24 1993apr21 edgeway wimsey bc ca armani edgeway wimsey bc ca writes besides faster processor , 950 scsi 2 , far know , faster due separate processors handling functions 950 output 16 bit video 16 monitor 1 meg vram 24 bit 2 meg actually , quadra 900 950 scsi controller , \( running different speed \) scsi 2 , support certain scsi commands take advantage faster drives processors present machines q950 runs bus 25mhz , 900 's bus 16mhz quadra 950 supports 16bit color monitor sizes , well 24bit 832 x 624 resolution also supports 1024 resolution 900 supports supports 8bit x 870 , support 1024 x 768 vram 950 80ns faster , 100ns faster 900 john
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject deir yassin organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 88 article 1993apr28 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes hm cs brown edu writes article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes rj3s , say evidence motivated irgun attack dir yassin strategic importance fact , begin , charge irgun , wrote dir yassin attacked military significance dir yassin merely battle war liberation people died thing never intended tragedy war crime irgun agree harry , however must also concede arab terrorism also tragedy war one forced blow airplanes terrorism choice made people want work peace remember palestinians effective target civilians order cause lots military targets israel lots targets israel old ladies , children , civilians general acceptable targets person kill civilian , hold fire means ca n't kill anyone , ca n't kill anyone claiming targets acceptable easy kills rediculous irgun attack civilian targets terrorize order might obtain objective , i'm sure would done make policy \? also n't exclude irgun 's action british soldiers terrorism mean excuse \? \) killing soldier killing civilian two different acts british showing signs favoring compromise regards palestine , irgun branch groups made point kill young british mothers fathers back britain would get angry continued presence palestine , killed soldiers british government would leave objective scare , show cost staying way high contrast , terrorist kills scare use random violence people make point one safe demands met analogy would irgun blowing 10 downing sounds like form terrorism , much removed arab terrorism thats missed essential point arab terrorism , scare away israel , killing something israel kill jews might zionists kill people live israel live targets rarely soldiers , people understand might attacked line duty , innocent civilians , underscore message one deals israel safe 'll reiterate sides screwy , 'll favor underdog case think bit screwed oh , mean favor israelis , 2 1 , , surrounded hostile states one signed peace treaty 45 years \? favor jews , people like leon , cripple thrown boat jewish \? support right jewish people live peace \? , thank support adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
j k wight newcastle ac uk \( jim wight \) subject button 3 popup menus athena widgets organization internet lines 42 koblas netcom com cc xpert expo lcs mit edu ok , i'm driven batty trying create popup menus \( ie press , menu appears \) would really like use standard athena classes achieve goal , best attempts cannot get menus come without using menubutton parent widget tree know possible \( \) little , something escaping read documentation \( 4 2 3 positioning \) reference r5 documentation done less 10 mins knocked following wcl application want using command widget even familiar wcl example simple pretty obvious going crucial thing use actions ari app app wccreate command app menu app translations override n \( menu \) \( menu \) menu wccreate menu one , two , three one wccreate two wccreate three wccreate jim j k wight newcastle ac uk department computing science , university newcastle , tel 44 91 222 8238 newcastle upon tyne , ne1 7ru , united kingdom fax 44 91 222 8232
alisonjw spider co uk \( alison j wyld \) subject homosexuality issues christiani organization spider systems limited , edinburgh , uk lines 49 hoping pass resolution less states , members church agree disagree issue , admitting sides honestly studied scriptures spirit lead different conclusions worked last year abortion issue threatened less thing , hopeful ga foster loving caring attitude people disagree view cliff slaughterbeck people would willing note church willing live kind compromise ordination women one thing definitely prevent person becoming presbyterian minister indicate n't accept ordination women argument ca n't half church accepting leaders half maybe people clh might interesting folk know church scotland \( also presbyterian church \) managed agree disagree women 's ordination 25 years reasoning congregations free call whoever wish , ministers sessions choose elders congregation wish woman , obliged , session wish , could forced \( note issue freedom call part congregation important year , church split issue , n't get back together almost 80 years \) couple years ago 25 anniversary allowing womens ordination position changed , theory , ministers elders must recognise women ordained theory , minister refused ordain woman session , refused work woman minister , could disciplined practice happened , believe unlikely happen personal view new legislation mistake , \( \) legislation worked well going start going round homosexual debate next years assembly years , motion put ban blessing sex couples \( edinburgh minister \) panel doctrine currently looking marriage , report next year matter considered debated hope interesting alison
com \( paul \) subject wanted 16mhz floating point co proc organization storage concepts , inc lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host rachel com keywords sun 3 'd say subject line covers need floating point co processor sun 3 system please reply via email 've got one like sell thanks paul l storage concepts inc sr diagnostics eng ave email com irvine , ca uucp ! ! \( 714 \) 852 , fax \( 714 \)
ianf random se \( ian feldman \) distribution world organization random design opinions , cheaply x note first mac browser , structure enhanced ascii text x format sumex aim stanford edu info mac app easy view 22 hqx organization random design opinions , cheaply lines 34 summary mail answers 'll post summary subject inexpensive frame grabbers 68000 macs \? pc news \? ' mac se fit ' tv ' classic v ' 68000 ' frame video ' ' grabber mac board vision know several nubus frame grabber boards wonder might similar ones lesser macs \( without slots \) , something permitting instant freezing video picture \( pal \) feeding without simple digitizer like \( takes 22 secs scan picture , frame grabber necessity \) objective 512 342 pixel \( b w \) pictures stored hypercard tried using top quality vcr freeze frame function screens come full streaks garbage please reply ianf random se 'll summarize net \( cannot read high volume group c h \) thanks ! ian hit \( r \) feldman ianf random se
lmtra uts amdahl com \( leon traister \) subject vitamin b6 doses organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 16 forgive , day read newsgroup physician 's posting uses vitamin b6 ca n't seem locate article , recall mention safe limits looked balanced 100 time release formulation 's noted 100 mg b6 thousands times rda safe \? ! \? also condition b6 \? mail would fine n't want clog net thanks , leon traister \( lmtra uts amdahl com \)
rtd saigon com \( \) subject co cpu organization systems \( 408 \) 252 1005 cupertino , ca lines 16 hi fellows , still got bunch 386dx 25 intel cpu 25 intel coprocessors buy set 79 5 00 shipping individually 25 42 5 00 47 00 25 42 5 00 47 00 interested , respond call 408 942 fax 408 942 rtd saigon com \( \) systems 1 408 252 1005 silicon valley , ca
calkin gatech \( neil calkin \) subject political point attack clipper infrastructure article calkin 1993apr22 news clarkson edu netcom com cs uiuc edu organization home math calkin organization lines 22 nntp posting host gatech edu reply kadie cs uiuc edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 21 39 44 gmt article cs uiuc edu kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) writes strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes attorney general publishes number court ordered taps year believe mistaken n't believe ag publishes number state wiretaps carl carl kadie represent organization kadie cs uiuc edu hmmm could 3 keys kept escrow , one groups keeping key government , states would need federal permission run wiretap interesting possibility \) neil
canuck ce berkeley edu \( c \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization dept civil engineering , university california , berkeley lines 41 1993apr29 102341 13820 comp lancs ac uk denali cs purdue edu nntp posting host canuck ce berkeley edu reply bingle cs purdue edu 's message 29 apr 1993 11 32 15 0500 copyright notices seem making restrictions know reconcile copyright notice copyright 1989 , 1990 , 1991 , 1992 , 1993 john bradley permission use , copy , distribute xv entirety , non commercial purposes , hereby granted without fee , provided license information copyright notice appear copies xv shareware personal use may use xv amusement , find nifty , useful , generally cool , value , non deductable donation would greatly appreciated 25 suggested donation , though , course , larger donations quite welcome folks donate 25 receive real nice bound copy xv manual extra charge commercial , government , institutional users must register copies xv , exceedingly reasonable price 25 per workstation x terminal site licenses available wish run xv large number machines contact author details strikes first part gives right use , without fee , program noncommercial purposes info appears copies seems cover educational institutions despite rest notice says first part n't say subject conditions outlined chris christopher robin \( ce berkeley edu \) dept civil engineering opinions necessarily university california , berkeley shared employer
eos ncsu edu \( donald james barnes \) subject arcade style buttons joysticks originator eos ncsu edu reply eos ncsu edu \( donald james barnes \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 32 article gap caltech edu , cco caltech edu \( frank \) writes anyone tell possible purchase controls found arcade style games many projects working would greatly augmented could implement thanx advance hap controls outside chicago sells andrew macrae actually , 's , equipment found parts express catalog \( 1 800 338 \) show switches 2 , joysticks 13 trackballs 80 also pinball parts 're right , controls , inc , buy direct n't phone number , anyone interested email n't remember button price , joystick price 8 95 per dozen last check slightly higher one two , cheaper parts express trackballs , n't know new price either sell rebuilt arcade trackballs 50 includes new rollers new bearings \( nec \) also pile used joysticks buttons would willing sell please email address interested please note new email address donald barnes coach , i'm barnes csc ncsu edu computer engineering kind nice break day , n't sam n c state university
vm cmp ilstu edu subject sale hit movies vhs organization illinois state university lines 14 following vhs tapes sale great shape sold since replaced star wars empire strikes back return jedi batman indiana jones temple doom indiana jones last crusade e interested titles , please mail offer
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject 's complete disagreement \? \( stuff \) organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 63 actually talk abortion related comments , believe frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew co uk writes frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes specifically , 'd like know relativism concludes two people grotesquely disagree \( \) right \( b \) one wrong , sometimes \( though perhaps rarely \) pretty good idea \( c \) one wrong , never information , make best guess really must make decision \( \) idea right moral judgement meaningless \( implying whether peace better war , e g , meaningless question , need discussed correct answer \) \( e \) something else short , positive assertion would nice whose point view would like know relativism concludes \? one people involved argument , third person observing \? 've come responding another posts , pennies dropped would clarify would answer point view disinterested observers perhaps observer likely position position b \( b disagree \) future , conclusion binding time well , observer x likely 's position b 's , agrees b making appropriate observations inferences regarding situation , would expect conclude right answer hopefully would factor would allow make judgement regarding answer accept , hand , disagrees principles either b , suspect would make decision favour one unfortunately case moral arguments answers perspectives instance , completely unable come conclusion regarding whether abortion allowed , perspective ideal world , living things would right life ideal world , women would absolute right like bodies clearly way resolve favour principles therefore agree compromise solution allowing abortion certain time conception , deciding time based various \( sometimes ill defined \) criteria also sensible move , think , lets people make decisions \( within reason \) 's worth , reasonably happy current uk abortion law similarly , situation 's left yugoslavia horrible mess , really ca n't see way sort conclusion , n't even know enough imagine sort compromise one might manage mathew
gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) subject mac disks windows \? lines 6 nntp posting host binkley cs mcgill ca organization socs mcgill university , montreal , canada lines 6 macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know
thompson apple com \( paul thompson \) subject changing oil virago \( yamaha vs honda opinions \) organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , california lines 19 nntp posting host apple com aa963 freenet carleton ca \( lloyd carr \) writes previous article , phj remus rutgers edu \( p ju \) says nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes brake pedal , c c \) 've pretty much decided never get particular model unless someone else wants change oil filter compared 5 minute change used honda , design flaw oversight eyes sure n't know bike worked sure n't virago 've owned 750 1100 filter change 5 mins nothing removed well , watching several denizen 's dismantle laurie 's virago attempt change oil ride 'n feed years back pretty funny site surely combined wisdom folks n't things hard way , \? paul thompson apple computer
ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( pat gleason \) subject gateway flash bios upgrade organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga lines 12 lhdsy1 lahabra chevron com kato lahabra chevron com \( w r volz \) writes 1 \) gain new bios \? fixed problem us getting divide errors caused gw bios overwriting memory area problem database programs , also heard fixed problem brief pat gleason maybe something good , maybe something ncratl atlantaga ncr com bad , guess 'll never know !
jacks apana org au \( jack \) subject svr4 xclients wo n't work svr4 2 \( repost \) organization prospect , australia lines 17 changed svr4 svr4 2 intel box discovered svr4 xclients xload , etc would longer work bomb message error ca n't open display unix 0 0 ca n't find correct shared libraries , need recompiled , used correct options \? systems use x11r5 thanks jack
dux dundee ac uk \( j psychology ext \) subject video recording vga screen organization computing service university dundee scotland , uk lines 12 nntp posting host dux dundee ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 hi , think subject says anyone know take rgb h standard vga connector record video tape \? \? help appreciated ! mark j \? \? program pc want videotape show people program works presentation giving
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject pregnency without sex \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 14 mmatusev radford vak12ed edu \( melissa n matusevich \) writes speaking educational systems , recently colleague tell reason one fifth grade students physically developed sexually abused younger child , went say , kicks pituitary gland action causes puberty nonsense ! 've taught fifth , sixth , seventh early puberty types fifth nothing early sexual experience jackie
prevost eos arc nasa gov \( michael prevost \) subject geosphere image organization nasa ames research center distribution usa lines 30 rmalayte grumpy helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) writes article 31 alt graphics newsgroups alt graphics path news nd edu ! moliere ! rmalayte rmalayte moliere helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) subject geosphere images via ftp \? message id 1993apr26 news nd edu sender news news nd edu \( usenet news system \) organization university notre dame , notre dame date mon , 26 apr 1993 21 36 48 gmt anyone know digitized version geosphere image available via ftp \? n't know , composite photograph entire earth , removed think 's really cool created government funds sattelites research project , would assume 's public domain image copyrighted early another news group used texture map planet orbiting simulation program freely distributed texture map picture earth pulled copyright infringement issues mp michael prevost sterling software moffett field ca prevost eos arc nasa gov
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject genocide caused atheism organization monash university , melb , australia lines 19 1993apr19 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes article 1993apr19 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes \( great respect love particular person equal form theism \) fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au hmm jesus \? sure , person could great respect jesus yet atheist \( great respect jesus necessarily mean one follow christian muslim interpretation life \) fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
pajerek telstar kodak com \( pajerek \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? reply pajerek telstar kodak com \( pajerek \) organization digital equipment corp telstar distribution usa lines 34 article agate berkeley edu isaackuo spam berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) writes article 1993apr22 cs okstate edu kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes speculating fbi purposely started fire \? ! \? ! \? please , 've got ridiculously extraordinary claim , evidence whatsoever , least give us reason fbi would want thing possibility fire started accidentally much reasonable , n't anything contradictory anecdotal evidence right isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) mr kuo n't recall seeing around much \( least p \) let clue newsgroup p populated largely people whose hatred u government , especially government mr clinton , literally people , suggestion agents u government would carry spectacular massacre citizens , full view tv cameras , 's another day life united states n't suggest reason fbi would want publicly massacre citizens seen 'the crying \? 's nature pajerek standard disclaimers apply
gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) subject mac portable vs powerbook 100 answers \( \? \) organization macinteresteds nashville , tn lines 27 eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org \( eric choi \) writes internal hard drive upgraded larger capacity \? w third party modem greater 2400 bps \? fax option \? p notice batteries thru apple catalog eric choi internet eric choi p5 f175 n2240 z1 fidonet org psi makes internal fax modem map portable \( 1 800 622 \) asks much \( retail 450 \) 'd buy external save 350 manufacturer still makes internal hd 's portable , 're listed catalog magazines apple stuff find bookstores see 'll post , , might want add small lightweight external hd built powerbooks 'd able use new computer day mac portable questions , 'll cry uncle n't blame voted gene theporch raider net \( gene wright \) theporch raider net 615 297 7951 macinteresteds nashville
flux inqmind bison mb ca \( john \) subject vga circuit organization inquiring mind bbs 1 204 488 1607 lines 15 've come across circuit integrated circuit systems inc called chip vga card dual input ntsc signal output chip basicly pixel clock , various speeds notice outputs clock output used amiga system \? must ntsc vga ntsc ntsc \? simple circuits boost ntsc vga signal \? need genlock laser disc video john flux inqmind bison mb ca inquiring mind bbs , winnipeg , manitoba 204 488 1607
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject 's roger \? nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 15 duncan \( nicholas duncan \) writes really feel need knowledgable hockey observer explain year 's playoffs mean , obviously superior toronto team best center best goalie league keeps losing gives \? unfortunately , roger r baseball spewing expertise \( e dickhead \) guess afraid posting anything , knows expect john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
jek cu nih gov subject jacob esau lines 47 gerry palo wrote nothing christianity excludes theory succession lives wrote apostle paul , romans 9 , speaks god choosing jacob esau , adds result anything either child done , since born yet clearly , paul believe previous lives , suppose readers believe previous lives , would make sense say , neither done anything good bad yet , since yet born daniel cossack writes ask whether fair god hate esau done nothing bad \? reply hebrew standard usage speak hating meant simply putting second place example , consider saying matthew 6 24 man serve two masters either hate one love , , obviously false man two masters must hate one obviously true must put one second place dog always comes either billy bobby calls problem stand different places call simultaneously cannot give first priority one must take second place original example , second place means jacob , esau , chosen bear covenant blessing obligation , ancestor christ eugene bigelow mentions matthew 11 14 says john baptist ye receive , elijah , come take mean john elijah like figure , dressing living like elijah , preaching like elijah , fulfilling prediction elijah would prepare way messiah think elijah literal sense , , , neither \( john 1 21 \) , james kiefer
lyle seaman transarc com subject new encryption organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 18 world std com nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply world std com martin world std com \( martin j hannigan \) writes hello david sternlight keeper faq unfortuantely cannot find present time cool , \? let people form opinions even mr sternlight might right sometime , guys setting things way regain credibility renounce previous statements move towards mainstream net opinion tolerance , imo c \) david sternlight , net police indeed lyle transarc 707 grant street 412 338 4474 gulf tower pittsburgh 15219
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 29 st1ge elroy uh edu \( edward hui \) writes article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu , punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes heading indicates , impossible fathom barry batting 4th giants behind clark barry awesome consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants 2 simple reasons \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds n't understand matt williams demonstrated throughout career wait good pitches hit wo n't take walks 'd rather swing i'm opposing pitcher , would fastball williams hit well , know williams swing \( miss , least hit well \) low away curve \? john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
c robert magnus acs ohio state edu subject cub fever organization ohio state university x mailer elm version 2 3 lines 13 kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes cub fever hitting i'm beginning think chance year \( heck thinking \? \) sorry moment incompetence 'll ok really orin bradley u sure \? maybe chronic syndrome persists , may banish cub crazy north chicago \) \) \) rob
eliza \( elisabeth bull \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore organization university trondheim , norway x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 20 mark woodruff \( cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet \) wrote morning 4 working research paper , reboot hung dos program \( disk \) within windows 3 1 machine finished rebooting , found windows directory two thirds directories irreversibly corrupted \( stuff deleted \) sounds like happened hd month ago hd stacked stacker v 2 0 \( run dos5 \) suddenly everything hung , hd got corrupted \( directories changed unreadable files names \) words probably doubledisk part dos6 troublesome use stacker v 3 0 , far trouble elisabeth bull e mail eliza unit
jvannes vms macc wisc edu subject long distance ir detection organization university wisconsin academic computing center distribution na lines 34 article cs sunysb edu , cs sunysb edu \( caleb \) writes could make interesting light sound could controlled directly position dancer stage , number dancers stage neat could even build spotlight follows dancer around stage ! tell us 're \? sounds like cool program eye point yet chose tracking method initial requirement design system locate dancer one eight zones across stage experiments detectors found difficult align get definite zone transition dancers stand still alot , ir signature goes away good thing signal proportional size warm body \( body part \) , velocity said body could useful detecting intensity dance gesture dancers also really hate wear little boxes batteries strapped bodies , really need emitting kind signal tracked current toy working program called amiga , used live ! video digitizer works video camera trained stage set zone within field view , object brighter threshold trigger event events midi objects sequences , amiga sounds graphic objects 's fun play , arcane , digitizer noisy still , 's appealing , dancers n't wear appliances , ots zone , , speaks midi , used control lights , n't build electronics 's done lighting video brightness contrast adjustments yet anything particularly useful artistic , hopes
hal cco caltech edu \( hal finney \) subject s1 , s2 organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 38 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes second question ! \? ! \? strange procedure used , real rng \? turns s1 , s2 kind bottleneck system security theory makes sense s1 s2 either chips , vary among possibilities , anyone trying break encryption brute force need plow possible serial numbers \( 2 30 , one billion \) , multiplied number different s1 , s2 combinations interpretation denning 's description s1 s2 chosen randomly agents key escrow companies start 300 chip programming session imagine chips carrier allow programmed fairly quickly would need transfer chips one time little pla programmer people envisioned guess procedure used basing keys s1 s2 using specified algorithm provides \( principle \) way verify back doors exist choice random numbers used generate keys since trust escrow companies anyway , weaken system keys generated random seeds entered escrow agents since algorithm key generation public \( modulo skipjack secrecy \) principle agent could challenge procedure , ask s1 s2 exposed , run independent calculation u1 u2 verify actually put onto floppies yes , many ways failures follow scheme could hard check laptop probably really destroyed time hidden cameras ceiling could see s1 s2 entered trusted escrow agents back doors chip could allow u recovered heck , chip could recorded u , ignoring floppy hal finney
loon cs umn edu \( scott alan brandt \) subject want borrow rent bike boston summer nntp posting host loon cs umn edu organization university minnesota , minneapolis , csci dept distribution usa lines 29 summer \( july 20 \) wife \( michelle \) boston attending brother 's wedding wedding planning motor bar harbor , maine visit relatives days summer would made could find bike \( bikes \) borrow rent ride bar harbor back 's important details 've riding 11 years , \( bikes past 7 years \) , michelle riding past 6 years \( bikes \) , 've involved one accident caused cage driver running stop sign , currently bmw , michelle owns yamaha virago 700 , prefer cruising racing , 've toured fair amount , 're licensed insured , 're nice people , anyone bike \( bikes \) , second one would virago something else equally low seat \) would willing loan us 3 4 days july , michelle would eternally grateful addition friendship , would also use bikes ever pass minneapolis exchange , would happy take guest dinner evening wild bike stories , might even willing cough money improvements bike \( \) , like new tires something also , information bike boston area would greatly appreciated thanks , scott brandt
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list reply joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) organization texas splatterfest lines 63 know 's already bmw mailing list , since 's r bike list \( limited r80 r100 bikes well believe \) 've decided give go see much interest please read post plan subscribing list ! one restriction discussion list , bmw 's n't care bmw , welcome probably post articles appear local bmw club newsletter , would club members , especially tech articles subscribe list , send message list address bmw rider cactus org word subscribe \( caps \) subject message word subscribe subject way subscribe put keyword message body , message go everyone list ridiculed beyond belief line must valid return address list sw use address line would like use return address contained line , send mail list ! send note directly \( joe rider cactus org \) 'll take care manually list sw hack outgoing message line original full name \( \) 's preserved , return address replaced mailing list address \( bmw rider cactus org \) allows simply reply message keep list \( depending mail interface use elm 's wrote \) keep mind reply message question authors remove name list , send message list address word unsubscribe \( caps \) subject message word unsubscribe subject way remove name list put keyword message body , message go everyone list ridiculed beyond belief list run home system , poor little 286 box running old version something smells somewhat like unix mta n't around , 've managed hack enough make decent list mta additions handled automatically scripts intercept messages based subject \( see \) may occassionally sw send response message back subscribe receive response within reasonable amount time \( link via uucp sometimes runs \) , send message \( joe rider cactus org \) 'll look list turns popular mta number addresses , 'll freeze list recipients come better mta good luck joe senner joe rider cactus org joe mpd tandem com bmw mailing list bmw rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org
alchemy tn cornell edu \( brian chung \) subject market access organization loyal taxpayers lines 41 distribution world nntp posting host alchemy tn cornell edu article agate berkeley edu robohen ocf berkeley edu \( henry robertson \) writes , , get carried away keep mind owning car korea luxury ruling class afford every government agency worth salt finds reason levy tax car ownership last heard , seven different fees pay car believe sort petty bureaucratic new president kim young sam wants eradicate basically , think rules came place bureaucrats backgrounds wanted revenge ruling class exchange , 's like hyundai screwed smaller companies , perpetuating vicious cycle faith korean people potentially build cars well anyone else , hyundai cars seem reflect tensions within society , screwy components wo n't work together stubborn like mule , car either wo n't go forward wo n't stop gasp hm , i'm sure whether silly remark serious remark case misconceptions , think henry robertson n't updated data file korea since mid 1970s owning car korea longer luxury middle class people korea afford car least one car problem korea , especially seoul , many privately owned cars , well taxis buses , rush hour become 24 hour phenomenon place park last time heard , back january , kim administration wanted legislate law potential car owner provide parking area , like japan also , henry would glad know hyundai n't car manufacturer korea always manufactured cars believe back business well imported cars , mercury sable becoming quite popular well , though still quite expensive finally , please ignore henry 's posting korean politics bureaucracy 's quite uninformed h brian chung happiness sig brought alchemy tn cornell edu tea , earl grey , hot frungy , bitnet 210 lake st apt 11 sport kings ithaca , ny
maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) subject assorted ranting lines 40 x altnet id hate bastard picked weather today went visit friend overnight \( 45 minute ride \) rode work , minor last 5 minutes ride rest ride zen got morning , needed go home get disks stuff work computers , rainy hell soaked cold time got home since n't another set dry , said heck drove cage back lo behold , funny blue clouds sky warm yellow thing n't seen quite awhile showed 10 minutes trip cage oh joy happily , right hand mirror finally showed dealer \( dropped bike first got , put replacement mirror hated entire time thing bike could n't see damned thing , plus 's flat instead convex like stock mirrors , get narrow angle blur \) got replacement windshield fairing \( dropped original chipped front edge cosmetic annoying \) spent half hour happily things replacing afternoon 'bout thing still hate bike \( '75 cb360t \) damned 2 cell flashlight headlight anyone seen good source 25 watt halogen passing lights \? since charging system cb360t ca n't handle continuous use halogen headlight , thinking putting couple passing lights would give lighting rare night riding , would n't drain battery normal use \( chiefly day trips work back \)
liberty uc wlu edu \( scott dittman \) subject definition christianity \? organization washington lee university lines 12 although simplistic always liked fact christian one believes god , believes god name first given externally identify preached christ crucified pay price shortcomings god god said son belive scott dittman email wlu edu university registrar talk \( 703 \) 463 fax \( 703 \) 463 washington lee university snail mail lexington virginia 's certainly good things christians follow definition may bit hard apply clh
kebarnes msuvx1 memst edu subject drugs crime new approach organization memphis state university lines 233 mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes , \( missing entire point post \) kebarnes msuvx1 memst edu wrote given 1 trade illegal drugs responsible much crime nation much evidence fact drugs illegal , drugs caused violence witness prohibition violence surrounded trade alcohol joke 2 people want drugs \( particularly people predisposed addiction \) find way get , whether legally available suppossed argument keeping drugs illegal \? , jumped conclusion 's actually argument accomplish societal good drug use without violating individual rights 3 despite current law enforcement efforts , drugs readily available want suppossed argument keeping drugs illegal \? missed point point , war drugs failure , 4 addiction drugs , legal illegal , responsible significant drain productive resources country , occurs variety ways , cocaine addicted babies unable learn , spread disease among addicts , tragic consequences alcohol abuse tobacco smoking crack baby scenario discredited happens symptoms seen crack babies identical fetal alcohol syndrome mothers admitted taking crack also admitted drinking heavily pregnancy country people free stupid want , free stupid injure people admittedly , fetal right life outside scope discussion however , 's ridiculous assert , apparently , cocaine effect developing fetal nervous system nicotine fetal effects , cocaine exception \? 5 general economic principle government whatever subsidized get , whatever taxed get less effective confronting nation 's drug problem , way must found utilize additional powers government make drug dealing drug use less attractive make drugs legal , tax use tax money fund program tell people drugs worked legal drugs read article writing knee jerk response would seen exactly advocated country 's current efforts combat legal drugs succeeded respects , \( greater awareness health consequences smoking , designated driver programs helped reduce drunk driving , example \) , cannot said war illegal drugs remains core group illegal drug users support international networks smugglers , pushers , , processors , , gangsters networks marketing activities , include drive shootings , corrupting law enforcement authorities , smuggling weapons , directly indirectly responsible large proportion crimes committed country every day every one problems direct result drug trade illegal shit , sherlock clearly , illegal drugs rising crime linked takes moment 's reflection recognize linked link money country 's failed effort prohibit alcohol consumption , black market created , greedy local , like gangsters era , enormously illegal trade victims trade include innocent people unfortunate enough caught crossfire , , would argue , drug users great argument making drugs legal thank could missed point utterly \? smoking \? proposal 1 possession use presently illegal drugs , buying selling remains illegal grow marijuana \( many already today \) , drug users legally import poison choice long pay , barter economy drug experimenters develops solution done nothing eliminate violence drug trade btw , someone going import drug buying illegal think need think solution little obviously , buying drugs u , u jurisdiction use remaining brain cells 2 barter economy supplies drug users , black market profits enriched drug lords drugs obtained next nothing , buy \? nevertheless , seek sell noncommercial drugs even relatively low prices therefore , failed indicate drugs obtained free next nothing stated sale illegal k , 'll spell barter economy means drug users permitted grow synthesize chemically anything choose , buy outside u bring , wo n't grow also permitted trade drug users drugs ones grow manufacture , however able legally sell drugs money manufacture importation noncommercial drugs taxed , discourage use brain drugs questions \? 3 law enforcement activity concentrated individuals continue buy sell , also crimes committed drug users poor afford even low prices strategy begins differentiate drug dealers , , drug users , victims cities , already strategy already failed dragging rest us pardon , possession use drugs still crime ! cannot rates drug users would seek treatment , comparative ease could made available today , drugs illegal possess use , would illegal possess use possession use makes treatment much easier drug dealers exploiting weaknesses persons prone addiction , , drug users left alone , thrown prison along drug dealers criminals , treated drug addiction absolve responsiblity criminal actions , however 4 upon arrest crime , suspects permitted choose whether undergo drug test choose cooperate informed upon conviction crime accused , found drug user , institutionalized clean , begin serve sentence choose cooperate already drug free , begin serve sentence right away choose undergo drug test convicted face stiffer fines serve longer sentences sounds hell lot like self incrimination unconstitutional drug use legal scheme , presence drugs anyones system influence penalty receive \? much big tastes drug test arrested suspect voluntary , coerced , therefore constitute violation amendment v convicted drug users , evidenced test , need treatment problem institutionalization criminals , would argue , best way help straighten refuse test convicted , sentence appropriately , since , unlike addict , excuse crimes 5 institutionalization drug using criminals serves several purposes drug using criminals \( includes drunk drivers \) separated sources supply , thus reducing total number drug users society large , consequently decreasing demand drugs street , putting remaining drug dealers business drug using criminals treated different criminals , already stated drug use legal mark wilson atlantaga ncr com \? objective discourage drug use criminal behavior fewer criminals drugs fear getting sentence convicted , good thing \? fewer drug dealers \( still criminals , btw \) find victims , good thing \? fewer drug users , drunks , , ' etc , commit crimes fear cut sources supply , good thing \? i'm certainly willing debate position read carefully though standard disclaimer x , dna \( \) ken barnes , bldg conservative libertarians ' kebarnes memstvx1 memst edu pro balance ! \( \) memphis , tn 711 compuserve com find television educating every time somebody turns set , go room read book groucho marx
spl1 spl loral com \( c messina \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization loral software productivity laboratory lines 5 another factor bringing hst back earth risk contamination c messina spl1 spl loral com
bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution rec lines 45 article 1993apr21 newbridge com bradw newbridge com \( brad warkentin \) writes article 698 netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 wait one cotton picking minute dod rule 417 1 2 section 6 paragraph 3 clearly indicates multiple people ca n't lay claim bike obvious ploy artificially increase size stable question day spike owned lady true class breeding \( definition woman rides \) \) tom head \? \? \? spike owned tom went 1 2 's purchase price split costs needed parts , registration , etc names pink slip also note lay claim connie ol sport \( like said , obviously lady discriminating taste \) covered insurance ride harley 'd give go could work clutch barely get clutch lever move using hands standing next bike ol' sport distinctive bike concours favorite mine 've easy 4000 miles bike last year unfortunately , feet good 10 ground i'm way could take ride pilot rather pillion could fit concours , 'd buy one imho , best sport made i'm upset settle ducati 750ss touring bike , though \) bored minds know , know beth beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top
cobra chopin udel edu \( king cobra \) subject espn nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 32 article 1993apr23 sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu \( susan dart \) writes espn pisses , call respond calls last night called said cutting baseball could n't see sudden death overtime buffalo game apparently received enough calls waited overtime finish cutting away phone number 203 585 2000 susan dart well think whenever espn covers game wonderful job n't understand cut ot show stupid baseball news important waited scores sportscenter , talk baseball , basketball football showed highlight went back stupid basketball finally showed highlight ot goal like 30 sec think give attention nhl playoffs talking boring basketball games guess nhl 's fault leaving espn hope things improve next season cobra
advax reg triumf ca \( \) subject universal \( video \) phones days \? organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host reg triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 saw article new scientist wo n't talk \( \? \) bti ones use 19 modem , bti uses 14 models communicate using exchanges , whereas bti route via current exchanges suggestions include building standards converters telephone exchanges mind \) bti design bit conservative better able cope current data compression hardware long distance lines \( magazine hand , may mis remembered bti think british one made gec marconi , currently selling countries \) yet another standards screw andrew , vancouver , canada advax triumf ca finger advax reg triumf ca pgp key
prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) nntp posting host giga cs umn edu organization university minnesota , minneapolis , csci dept lines 38 michael sells sells haverford edu writes fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , every place earth scene saga mutual hatred destruction holocaust fresh case another chapter 900 year history attacks jews europe n't make acceptable balkan history make genocide bosnian muslims acceptable guess acceptable germany also chose path aggression simultaneously put interests countries peril wonder whether us countries would risked jews persecuted hitler imperialist ambitions \( student history asking questions \) even moment think ethnically motivated violence killings , dead wrong let assure question powerful countries moral obligation countries interests threatened cite essay charles time \( week \) discusses issue eloquently example , us european countries abandon moral chose send military troops bombay hindus , rare fit rage , killed many muslims recently think ! conditions us interfere countries , abstraction one must clarify resorting accusations religious bigotry satya prabhakar
nyx cs du edu \( ralph \) subject illegal transmit encrypted data \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 20 steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes i'm afraid disagree point nsa tell rsa non dod entity anything eavesdropping reveals n't know might find expedient way keep people using something ca n't crack let 's put way , charter several executive orders obey , among things explicitly prohibit sharing information \( unless things changed last little \) suppose could ignore , choose doubt would authoritative look nsa , get bamford 's puzzle palace 's say ralph
hagins avlin8 us dg com \( jody hagins \) subject bitmaps team logos reply hagins avlin8 us dg com organization data general corporation , , md lines 13 heard posted somewhere , find please e mail location thanks , jody jody hagins hagins avlin8 us dg com data general corporation , , md rock , river , tree ,
sad sei cmu edu \( susan dart \) subject espn reply chad nicholas hunter 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 11 16 36 0400 organization software engineering institute lines 9 espn pisses , call respond calls last night called said cutting baseball could n't see sudden death overtime buffalo game apparently received enough calls waited overtime finish cutting away phone number 203 585 2000 susan dart
john michael santore jsbh andrew cmu edu subject hockey guest spots organization sophomore , mathematics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr22 epas toronto edu hi guys i'm looking bit trivia appeared major talk shows tv \( e , letterman , carson , , etc e shows national nature include canadian equivalents think \) \? include nhl , olympic , world champion ship players i'm pretty sure 've seen gretzky lemieux , wondering others saw messier leetch shooting camera letterman \( \? \) could show though , since watch none late night shows regularly john santore philadelphia flyers '93 '94 ! break surface tension wild kinetic dreams rush , grand designs \( \) \) \) go philadelphia flyers ! john santore \( jsbh andrew cmu edu \) rush yes king crimson emerson , lake palmer marillion genesis \( w gabriel \)
panix com \( richard l rosen \) subject system 6 0 7 macintosh iifx cannot run multifinder \( beeps \) summary machine beeps continuously running 6 0 7 iifx keywords repeated beeping , 6 0 7 , iifx , multifinder reply itt com organization lines 17 friend macintosh iifx running system 6 0 7 \( enough memory yet run sys7 adequately \) , noticed tries use multifinder machine , machine beep every seconds , , friend tendency install things machine rather , rebuild system scratch still occurs problem sound familiar anyone \? know problem caused something really obscure known simple thing \( yeah , right \) someone familiar \( like system 6 0 7 multifinder n't run mac iifx \) , someone knows looking , please send e mail either \( itt com \) thanx advance digging dirt , stay need support digging dirt , find places got hurt rich rosen open places got hurt panix com
victori xetron com \( victor iseli \) subject freely distributable public key cryptography c code \? organization xetron corporation , cincinnati ohio lines 10 numerical recipes c fortran pascal nice section encryption decryption based des algorithm also source code provided \( think versions book distributed source code disk source code also ordered publisher \) victor iseli victori xetron com
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject annual inguinal hernia repair organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines 16 article jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov , jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov \( j porter clark \) wrote synopsis young man hernia one side , repaired , new hernia side gives , asks \? continues course , wife thinks 's sitting long periods time computer , reading news possibility degree causing chronic straining caused bowel movements classic problems supposed looked someone hernia , chronic cough , colon cancer \( 're young \) sitting long periods time computer , reading news good luck surgery ! steve holland
eck panix com \( mark eckenwiler \) subject watergate \( temper tantrums 1960 's organization nwo steering committee distribution usa lines 20 1993apr19 pony ingres com , garrett ingres com sez michael friedman phil ronzone k far guys called 1 \) ignorant asshole 2 \) ignorant 3 \) dumb bag hammers 4 \) dumb shit missing \? try asking michael whether still thinks 16 one beautiful machines around ask phil still claims due process equal protection clauses 14th amendment apply federal government responses enlightening recent name calling , relevant told gone totally insane , methods unsound mark eckenwiler eck panix com ! cmcl2 ! panix ! eck
issa cwis unomaha edu \( issa el \) subject lexus infiniti organization university nebraska omaha lines 41 mothra nts uci edu \( keith chong \) writes article 1993apr23 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first , correct spelling nissan 's luxury automobile division infiniti infinity would also like clear question kind engines power lexus infiniti automobiles , since person remarked earlier posts lexus infiniti models v6 engines , time saying several manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 gs300 sc300 inline 6 infiniti q45 v8 v6 g20 inline 4 \( must admit cannot remeber sure \) inline 4 correct hope helps keith subject , n't numbers car names engine size liters \? e ls400 4 engine , sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe q45 4 \( similar , kinda , bmw mb deal \) issa
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject doctrine original sin organization university victoria lines 49 article may 10 05 07 56 1993 athos rutgers edu , wkuvx1 bitnet writes therefore , someone capable comprehending god 's laws accountable living book life removed make conscious decision disobey god idler babies supposed baptised n't bible ever say never comes right says people know right wrong taught baptised christ say assure , one enter god 's kingdom without born water spirit surprised tell must begotten could everyone born original sin \? earlier discussions thread may given impression even though children n't require baptism would n't hurt contrary , baptize children capable comprehending deny opportunity demonstrate desire serve god considered children accountable sin capable repentance \? peter said group men brethren , repent baptized every one \( acts 2 38 \) notice specified repent may baptized following peter 's instructions people must first demonstrate repentance \( forsaking sins desire obey god 's commands \) eligible baptized since young children capable repenting , eligible baptism since god merciful sin imputed law \( romans 5 13 \) , young children accountable ca n't comprehend idler
informatik uni dortmund de \( weber \) subject accelerator lc ii \( info needed \) organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host informatik uni dortmund de hi folks , subject line says accelerators recommend mac lc ii \? sorry , faq cheers !
jeffj uucp \( j jonas \) subject electronic parts nyc \? summary anymore ! organization jeff 's house computer pieces lines 25 article 1993apr21 trintex uucp elr trintex uucp \( ed ravin \) writes trans electronics , canal street near 7th ave lots surplus type stuff 've years several electronics surplus type places still canal street 2 years ago closed electronics city closed , took weeks many clear everything \( heard \) places sell connectors phone wires , chips , capacitors discrete stuff sylvan wellington still broadway canal , 're cheap , surplus 's mostly tv repairman 's store jeffrey jonas jeffj panix com jeffrey jonas jeffj panix com
subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries c lure latrobe edu au \( byrnes , graham \) 1993apr22 dmu ac uk 1993apr23 6151 titan inmos co uk sasrer cinnamon organization la trobe university reply sasrer unx sas com 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 14 46 23 gmt x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 23 sasrer cinnamon sasrer unx sas com writes services offered engine cleaning \( remove oil sell car \) unfortunately , high pressure washer would use one several miles shop one occasion washing engine , would start water would gotten distributor \( would put plastic bag around try minimize \) , around spark plug wires , etc would nearly impossible try wipe areas dry rag usual solution carry wd 40 , car would n't start spray likely areas would start first time definately gets car going , wd 40 highly flammable explosive even right conditions , like vapour sealed inside distributor eg contact points tend arc tiny bit \) saw alternator points cover blow completely motorcycle restored life wd 40 fun watch \( honda mr 50 cover held large rubber , n't really big blast \) graham b ps serious aside , apparently also conductive , best exercise caution around mains wiring
club cc cmu edu subject ultrasonic pest stories , advice , bunk , etc \? organization carnegie mellon computer club lines 36 distribution world nntp posting host club cc cmu edu article babb larc sdsu edu , babb sciences sdsu edu \( j babb \) writes ultrasonic pest devices ones 've seen use driven 35 85 khz swept oscillator evidence insects actually repelled devices \? anybody cite gov't pubs , independent lab studies \? saw another device supposedly altering electro magnetic field house wiring suppose couple hi freq signal ac wiring supposed repel \? \? \? \? \? wiring \? dont think 've wondering house wiring thing really doubt high pressure ultrasound annoying , \? given devices advertised effective everything insects rodents nasty dogs , say insect wo n't dog give headaches \? could much frequencies \? studies effects various pressure levels , bands , sweep patterns various life forms \? effective could \? certainly would want tell anyone safe nasty dogs carrying jeff babb babb sciences sdsu edu babb ucssun1 sdsu edu programmer , sdsu larc kurt snail 7 rd white pine software , inc nashua , nh club cc cmu edu bix genie k air pushed , filed , indexed , stamped , briefed , , numbered ! prisoner
mufti uucp \( saad mufti \) subject tool convert gif file xpm pixmap format organization personal library software inc , rockville md lines 12 need tool described subject line tool available via ftp \? , 'd appreciate someone could e mail location pathname thanks saad mufti personal library software e mail mufti pls com
rab well sf ca us \( bob bickford \) subject new encryption algorithm keywords nea nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link lines 33 article artmel well sf ca us , artmel well sf ca us \( arthur melnick \) writes order get export approval secom nea , necessary go nsa reveal details program algorithm done finished product submit encryption algorithm approved export , set please n't insulted , based would say encryption algorithm likely worth paper 's printed nsa gave export approval , means felt confident could crack 's job , mandated law , i'm sure believe gave export approval encryption algorithm n't confident able crack , would sworn duty monitor foreign communications us national security related material many \( \? \) us think government spooks reason lose sight fact jobs best ability , said ability rather high hope one day make obsolete , cope existence export one thing learn lot , example robert bickford rab well sf ca us n't blame voted libertarian
little enet dec com \( name \) subject sale omti st 506 rll scsi adapters organization digital equipment corporation lines 14 2 omti scsi adapters sale make st 506 rll drive look like scsi disk drive adapter support two rll drives used model omti adapter amiga a500 c ltd scsi host adapter without problems i'm selling got time decided sell instead expand amiga never even used ca n't guarantee work every scsi host adapter essentially new box paid 150 ea , make offer regards , todd \( 708 \) 202 1030 little enet dec com
snyder jsc nasa gov \( russ snyder \) subject fast \( apple fpu \) \? organization nasa jsc distribution usa lines 6 maximum rate fpu apple sells directly \( apple part \) \? apple literature labels fpu classics lc iii 's assume least 25mhz question put performa 600 \( 68030 32mhz \) \? apple price cheap 78 compared 135 mail order houses one know answer one \?
smoke marlboro vt us \( john hood \) subject ca n't set com4 keywords g2k organization domestic bunny breeder 's association distribution usa lines 14 article 67 cbnewsh cb att com k4bnc cbnewsh cb att com \( john siegel \) writes unable get com 4 work diagnostic programs msd show nothing installed think software options ok known hardware conflict workaround cd rom system g2k 486dx2 66 tower ati video card 's video card 's 8514 compatible , means uses addresses com4 jh john hood cthulhu imagine ! smoke marlboro vt us
organization esoc european space operations centre esoc bitnet subject nissan nomenclature \( manual shift bigots wanted \) oasys dt navy mil 1993apr26 westminster ac uk lines 11 european version called 200 sx 1 8 liter engine turbo power us version \( 169 hp \) goes 0 100 km h 7 5 sec top speed 225 km h \( 140 miles h \) purchased one \( new \) looking repair book could find one france germany anybody knows find one \? one uk \? use look us 240 sx different motor pleased car problem like good technical documentation car regards
firga sun ac za \( fe du ing e e \) subject references ic organization university stellenbosch lines 10 previous article , ree88132 zach fit edu \( keith ledig \) writes looking text reference include pinouts , description , functionality ic made find cross reference almost ic discrete semiconductor philips ecg semiconductors master replacement guide , 10 \( especially industrial , commercial entertainment , military \) francois
cch coventry ac uk \( \) subject western digital 3 5 ide hd 's \? \? \? nntp posting host cc sysh organization ashtray \( short hair really annoys \) lines 19 peoples opinions make hard drives , seem found really good bargain drive thought 'd check anyone comments say make \? also i'm bit novice pc 's \( experienced computer user \) , connecting fitting drive one spare 5 1 4 bays extras need , cable starters \( guess \) , brackets etc also think might change jumpers drive original one 'll attaching second drive seperate ide socket controler card need change \? \? \? \? yet many thanks answered past answer future \) , artist , produced imagination skill oi ! ! yes , back , stop laughing ! 8 uk ac cov cch \( , skippy , , pick 1 \)
bultman dgw rws nl \( g w bultman \) subject rgb hls hsv conversion routines wanted organization utexas mail news gateway lines 19 nntp posting host cs utexas edu hi , i'm looking rgb \( cube \) hls \( double \) hsv \( cylinder \) conversion routines rgb hsv , miss hls rgb hsv please e mail directly , get newsgroup site help wil greatly appreciated gert gert bultman bultman dgw rws nl phone \( 31 \) 70 snail , , mail , 2500 ex hague , netherlands \( please mark personal mail \)
jimt ee mu oz au \( jim \) subject help needed light dependent resistor devices \( \) organization dept electrical electronic engineering , university melbourne lines 25 kind soul provide information contain onboard light source , totally integrated light shielded unit seen schematics manufacturers devices , different types thanks much advance , jim jim department electrical electronic engineering school information technology electrical engineering university melbourne , , victoria , australia telephone 61 3 email jimt ee mu oz au hello , front desk \? allan
acs ucalgary ca \( irving \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? nntp posting host acs3 acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 22 would someone kind enought document exact nature evidence bd 's without reference hearsay would also like know past record etc based solid media reports reason asking evidence last night larry king live called cult expert interviewed australia claimed evidence led original raid admission , true , raises nasty possibility government acted good faith , believe , faulty evidence also raises possibility self proclaimed cult experts advising giving ver poor advice years ago anson david bromley published strange gods great american cult scare \( beacon , boston , 1981 new anti cultists new religions sage , beverly hills , 1980 books suggested possibility tragic results self proclaimed cult experts ever taken seriously perhaps diagnosis cult movement needs investigating light waco tragedy
hpfcso fc hp com \( greg hughes \) subject hpgl anything converter wanted organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 13 comp windows x , doug happy vf ge com \( doug hughes \) writes 've found hpgl viewer x converter hpgl postscript anybody anything allows convert anything hpgl \? i'm desperately need something like hpgl support raster primitives , would popular image formats probably explains lack translators need plot \? greg hughes fc hp com \( 303 \) 229
ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) subject bmw heated grips organization virginia tech , blacksburg , virginia lines 24 nntp posting host joesbar cc vt edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 mark bergman \( bergman panix com \) wrote bmw heated like summer \? yes , , mean ! comfortable \? transmit lot vibration \? compare stock grips \? foam grips \? really make difference winter \? got k75 heated grips installed far tell grips look feel standard grips soft last weekend 500 mile round trip got point raining heated grips great 've bike month heated grips already one favorite features bike bill ranck \( 703 \) 231 9503 bill ranck vt edu computing center , virginia polytchnic inst state univ , blacksburg , va
tal michael wtm utrc utc com subject multiple printers print manager keywords print manager nntp posting host lestat organization utrc lines 34 article lance actrix gen nz lance actrix gen nz \( lance \) writes print manager deal multiple printers \? 're planning print two printers application one real printer , fax program print manager deal jobs one time , feed printers \? please research carefully fax modem behaves like printer local machine , n't guarantee functionality local machine fax software printing remotely installed fax card tried workgroups fax software n't like could winfax 's n't think lot special hardware interaction takes place internally case , fax manager program merely intercepts print job 's directory , print manager 's spool directory software , appears job printed print manager plays part handling actual process pardon 've incorrectly assumed truely network aware fax modem likely required , lot weird setup good luck
tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) subject faith dogma organization department computer science , university toronto lines 89 marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) csugrad cs vt edu wrote n't necessarily disagree assertion , disagree reasoning \( faith bad dogma bad religion \( faith dogma \) religion \( bad bad \) religion bad \) unfortunately , never state faith dogma dangerous faith dogma dangerous cause people act faith alone , nature without justification mean word belief without justification , belief arbitrary justification , emotional \( irrational \) justification example , someone says god exists , n't know believe god exists , feel , 's faith dogma bad precludes positive change belief based new information , increased mental faculty christians totally irrational \? irrational respect religion \? saying \? one 's belief christian god make one totally irrational think know getting , 'd rather hear expand subject faith dogma irrational faith dogma part religion responsible irrationality individuals claim faith dogma quintessential part religion makes \( much context \) philosophy rather religion , live science religion , faith dogma philosopher cannot christian philosopher change mind , whereas christian cannot , due nature faith dogma present religion , statement general christian perfectly capable philosopher , absolutely capable changing mind faith god belief , beliefs may change would assert atheists would make poor philosophers predisposed believe god , course , may show unfair bias studying , say , religion \? noticed philosophers tend atheists \? philosopher atheist , tends called theologian christian tends consider christianity sacred christianity special set beliefs , sanctioned god , therefore , conceive changing beliefs question existence makes mistakes faith comes play dogma comes play ``the lord works mysterious example faith used reconcile evidence beliefs flawed sure , interpretations changed satisfy needs society , god says something , 's said , 's since god said , , even interpretations flawed science , \( would practiced atheists \) contrast , built defence faith dogma scientist holds sacred idea beliefs change suit whatever best information available time , , , , scientist understands current beliefs deficient way goal keep improving beliefs goal keep changing beliefs reflect best information currently available 's rational thing 's good philosophy see difference \? science views beliefs flawed , new information obtained improve \( many scientists would claim complete perfect understanding everything \? none would put job ! \) religion views beliefs perfect , interpretations beliefs must changed new information acquired conflicts please explain thinking kills people \( please state answer waco \) 's easier someone kill person n't require good rational justification killing n't consider 's , born jewish , ``this document says 's good rational justification way , n't aware mass suicide problem waco jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides far common clinton fbi would love convince would save us taxpayer lot money could todd
khalid bunce hw stratus com \( khalid chishti \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization stratus computer , inc lines 56 nntp posting host bunce hw stratus com article pep transfer stratus com khalid bunce hw stratus com \( khalid chishti \) writes us commit ground troops , fine lift arms embargo sides \( since know serbs always got heavy weapons form federal army \) wake west ! ! admit uncivilized , violent bunch earth khalid c akgun writes also easy blame west real bosnian suffering moslem world , 1 billion \? ha \? stop massacre \? oil rich arab states make bosnian national interest west , especially europeans \? know night , n't \? blaming west asking n't put life danger seems choice muslims think sleeping west wide awake trying save face please , read post carefully , saying lift arms let muslims defend point civilized countries neither want get intervene militarily like see muslims world help oppressed \( remember happened almost one year ago called un discovered iranian jet bosnia ! \) west indifferent matter siding serbs keeping embargo muslim side \( okay paper sides \) khalid disclamer opinions nothing employer newsgroups soc culture arabic , soc culture , soc culture indian , soc culture iranian , soc culture jewish , soc culture pakistan , soc culture turkish , soc culture yugoslavia , soc culture , talk politics mideast , soc culture african , soc subject europe vs muslim bosnians summary expires distribution organization stratus computer , inc keywords
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sommerfeld wpi edu \( k \) subject using xterm display output \? organization worcester polytechnic institute , worcester , lines 46 distribution world nntp posting host sommerfeld wpi edu hello , writing program forks number child processes children printing things screen \( quite messy one window \) xterm option seems solution opening slave windows display output use following code open pty \( taken stevens \) manage open x term successfully problem however write x term \? please help ! static char pty name 12 int pty master \( void \) int pty master \( void \) int , fd char ptr struct stat static char static char \( ptr ptr ! 0 ptr \) \( pty name , dev \) pty name 8 ptr pty name 9 '0' \( stat \( pty name , \) 0 \) break \( 0 16 \) pty name 9 \( \( fd open \( pty name , \) \) 0 \) return \( fd \) return \( 1 \) email ee wpi edu eye eye makes whole world blind
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 24 article may 13 02 30 39 1993 1545 geneva rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes believe one important thing wrote old new testament passages cited know scientific evidence support homosexuality least partly inherent rather completely learned means certain extent great extent homosexuals cannot choose feel one basic concepts christian morality defective due original sin homosexuals , everybody thus entitled indulge whatever behavior bodies want us think need keep clear distinction homosexual behavior \( wrong \) homosexual orientation \( sin , merely misfortune \) please email replies respond public forum michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks jack feirerra \( sharks kingston fired ! ! ! \) organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 46 nntp posting host apple com gak wrs com \( richard stueven \) writes hand , i'm hard pressed think real mistakes made imagine indeed , benefit hindsight well , jettison youth fast strategy also hindsight , n't work well , think left sharks without net , inherently flawed injuries caused us fall let 's say view sharks' upper management , attempt trade kisio major factor decision fire feirerra indications , n't major factor , last straw personality conflicts among shark management , disagreements personnel going handled \( traded vs kept , sent kc ferriera , rumors right , always folks behind bench wanted needed \) i'm inclined take exactly opposite view kept 's obviously man hockey ! think 'd kept ferriera , would lost management staff depending sources trust , might lost lombardi murdoch summer frankly , want keep three \( may well ahve also lost kingston , , course , moot point \) sharks building organizational staff highly consensual cooperative ferriera wanted run things way conflicts ferriera lost says nothing skills accomplishments level , lot personality politics think good things sharks , never fit shark person hope succeeds beyond wildest dreams anaheim , , 'll good hockey \( want ducks couple years , sharks first \) chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
srl terminus ericsson se \( steve \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? reply srl terminus ericsson se distribution world organization camtec electronics \( ericsson \) , leicester , england lines 19 nntp posting host article mprgate mpr ca , vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) writes lighter fluid butane 's absolutely non toxic extreme fire hazard definately n't want go stuff around \( use little old rag \) butane flammable gaseous non toxic \? effects inhale , allegedly , ca n't \( imho \) steve l
ucsee berkeley edu \( carleton \) subject mac disks windows \? organization university california , berkeley lines 14 nntp posting host ucsee berkeley edu article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) writes macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know i'm sure possible due way mac writes 800k disk think way sectors set different enough pc 3 5 ca n't read hardware problem software cannot correct hope helps correct i'm wrong
scott shuksan ds boeing com \( scott moody \) subject x server sun \? keywords window manager organization man machine systems technology x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 32 using hds x terminal , really like really powerful run x server without running window manager one run special client x program called window manager , either \( 1 \) run motif openlook 's firmware \( limiting network traffic home \) \( 2 \) run motif openlook home place \( like sparc , vms \) powerful , especially since exit one window manager \( without killing windows \) start another manager \( vms tools need special meta mouse work one manager \) well question sparcstation running openlook , anyone know break apart olwm olwm slave program \? basically want run server , go somewhere else run window manager please respond e mail \( well posting \) large volumes window x \) thanks scott moody \( 206 \) 773 answers cross references scott shuksan boeing com uunet ! bcstec ! shuksan ! scott
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject cager football field organization university east anglia lines 13 article one u k week soccer carried field collision ford sierra cage seems cage driver wanted turn around , needed drive onto pitch , waited till ball players end unfortunately , soon started someone booted ball back pitch , ran backwards towards goal , straight cage !
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject 's mary 's fault ! organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 67 article w briggs cc utas edu au w briggs postoffice utas edu au \( william briggs \) writes \( deletion \) lucky baby n't obvious ! could see mary gets pregnant wedlock save face joseph say god got pregnant baby turns deformed , even worse , ! 'd lot explaining \) points guys , \( oops guy gal use term guy \) sort conspiracy ever occurred since , \( mean must dozen times past two thousand years would time born guy running around switzerland claims conceived similarly mother says father said bit surprised anyway , lot messiahs , many similar story birth death list messiahs could quite interesting would n't feel bad turned wrong conception christ via god \? imagine faces mary asks 've ever child would wonder omnipotent god pulls stunts instead providing evidence everyone check whole question absurd would n't feel bad 'd find stones sentient , stepped life \? would n't feel bad 'd see proof jesus plot satan \? wanted save image could done joseph planned first place quite wedding equally quite divorce , \( think quite easy jewish law \) regard would pretty dumb think conspiracy like one 've outlined bringing attention \( messiah appearances like royal scandals zero ad israel , \( see part acts discussing growth new church , \( e one wise guy said leave alone says nothing stop n't anyway \) \) 've forgotten pride factor n't , \( church mean \) argument fallacy like thanks reading far end letter religions claim wo n't contain eternal truth christianity since old religions wonder find old religions would last roll twelve dice calculate chance result argue must something special result event chance 1 \( 6 12 \) could hardly happen chance feel elevated participated letting special event take place benedikt
georgian tigger jvnc net \( ops mgr \) subject exabyte 8500 8mm 5g tape drive sale originator ens tigger jvnc net nntp posting host tigger jvnc net reply chen med columbia edu organization jvncnet lines 24 please reply seller sale exabyte 8500 8mm 5g tape drive writes 5g per 8mm data grade tape uncompressed latest eeprom revs fully compatible sun machines black faceplate seen little use \( due fact 8mm tapes \) decided money valuable quick convenient backups list 00 catalog 00 price 1900 00 shipping extra please email responses lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu
mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) subject clipper considered harmful organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk lines 26 x newsreader rusnews v1 02 tedwards eng umd edu \( thomas grant edwards \) writes personal attacks stopped prof denning replying issues substance , cause real harm serious debate prof denning afraid posting due personal attacks , perhaps use anonymous posting service , allow heated debate occur without personal attacks er , people going make personal attacks prof denning whether posts much obvious looking traffic last weeks therefore conclude existence personal attacks irrelevant decision concerning whether post suspect prof denning actually using attacks excuse posting , real reason silence clipper sort proposal self respecting support via reasoned argument mathew want constructive discussions , importantly , taken seriously peers , may wish consider shaping advice offered david sternlight
xenon stanford edu \( eugene kuo \) subject microsoft bbs number \? organization computer science department , stanford university distribution na lines 8 hi , anyone tell microsoft bbs number \? tried one given dos 6 upgrade manual number never answered call thanks , please email
nfotis ntua gr \( nick c fotis \) subject \( 27 apr 93 \) computer graphics resource listing weekly part 2 3 lines 1029 reply nfotis theseas ntua gr \( nick \( nikolaos \) fotis \) organization national technical univ athens archive name graphics resources list part2 last modified 1993 04 27 computer graphics resource listing weekly posting part 2 3 last change 27 april 1993 14 plotting packages gnuplot 3 2 one best 2 3 plotting packages , online help 's command line driven interactive function plotting utility unix , msdos , amiga , archimedes , vms platforms \( least ! \) freely distributed , supports many terminals , plotters , printers easily extensible include new devices posted comp sources misc version 3 0 , plus 2 patches practically find everywhere \( use archie find site near ! \) comp graphics gnuplot newsgroup devoted discussion gnuplot xvgr xmgr \( ace gr \) xmgr xy plotting tool unix workstations using x openwindows xview version called xvgr suns collectively , 2 tools known ace gr compiling xmgr requires motif toolkit version 1 1 x11r4 xmgr compile x11r3 motif 1 0x check ftp ccalmr ogi edu 129 95 72 34 ccalmr pub acegr xmgr 2 09 tar z \( motif version \) ccalmr pub acegr xvgr 2 09 tar z \( xview version \) comments , suggestions , bug reports paul j turner ese ogi edu \( mail fails , try ese ogi edu \) due time constraints , replies far robot release 0 45 2 limited 3 based xview 3 , written c fortran \( need fortran compiler f2c translator \) mainly tested sun4 , less decstations check ftp astro psu edu \( 128 118 147 28 \) , pub astrod vg plotting library library fortran callable routines sunspot nist gov 129 6 64 151 xgobi 's developed bellcore , speciality multidimensional data sets analysis exploration call language also , works x11 client using athena widget set \( ascii terminal \) 's distributed free charge statlib cmu get via e mail , send email statlib temper stat cmu edu body area message , put line send xgobi general want pick via ftp , connect lib stat cmu edu log statlib use e mail address password type cd general mget xgobi warning 's 2 mb sources large postscript manual read relevant readme decide whether need runs vax vms supposedly unix 's set fortran routines freely available \( though copyrighted requiring nominal fee 50 \) includes contour plots support various devices , including ps contact deimos caltech edu host shorty cs wisc edu 128 105 2 8 pub tar z unknown details epigraph pcs call phys lgu spb su \( vladimir j \) details get program demo \( \) play version , sent 10 1251 budapest 60 hungary ph fax budapest ph amigas , shareware \( 30 usd , 20 uk 40 aust \) advanced 2d package big list features contact dr alan baxter bio cam ac uk , cambridge university department pathology , tennis court road , cambridge cb2 , uk athena plotter widget set version v6 0 based gregory bond 's version v5 beta added stuff scientific graphs , e log axes , free scalable axes , xy , added plotter callbacks v4 , e g request current pointer position , cut rectangle plotting area zooming version v6 0 log bugs fixed log improvements v6 beta additionally changes extensions , besides origin frame lines axes lines positions line plots different line types \( lines , points , lines points , impulses , lines impulses , steps , bars \) , line styles \( solid , dotted , dashed , dot dashed \) marker types data points legend right left hand side plot optional drawing pixmap instead window layout callback aligning axis positions using multiple plotters one application available export lcs mit edu , directory contrib plotter scientific 2d plotting manipulation program next \( requires nextstep 3 0 \) , 's shareware features ascii import export eps export copy , cut , paste data buffer free number data points , data buffer , document window selective open save plotting many styles automatic legend linear logarithmic axes two different axes text graphic color support zoom moving axis conversions free hand data manipulations \( cut , edit , move , etc \) data editor sorting data absolute , relative , free defined error bars calculating buffers \( , , , \) background \( linear , shirley , , bezier \) integration relative integration fitting one free defined functions linear regression calculations \( , , , , sin , cos , log , etc \) function generator spline interpolation least square smooth fft smooth fft esca calculations database something find ftp cs tu berlin de 130 149 17 7 pub next science 1 tar z author michael 73 , 1000 berlin 12 , germany mike rz berlin mpg de plplot plplot scientific plotting package many systems , small \( micro \) large \( super \) alike despite small size , enough power satisfy users , including standard x plots , plots , log log plots , contour plots , 3d plots , mesh plots , bar charts pie charts multiple graphs \( different sizes \) may placed single page multiple lines graph different line styles , widths colors supported virtually infinite number distinct area fill patterns may used almost 1000 characters extended character set includes four different fonts , greek alphabet host mathematical , musical , symbols fonts scaled size various effects many different output device drivers available \( system dependent \) , including portable metafile format renderer freely available \( copyrighted \) via anonymous ftp ph utexas edu , directory pub plplot present \( v 4 13 \) , plplot known work following systems unix sunos , ix , hp ux , unicos , dg ux , ultrix platforms vms , amiga exec , ms dos , os 2 , next authors many main supporters maurice lebrun mjl fusion ph utexas edu plplot kernel metafile , xterm , xwindow , tektronix , amiga drivers geoff furnish furnish fusion ph utexas edu ms dos os 2 drivers tony richardson amr egr duke edu plplot next 2 plotting package cmu , filename tmp sm 2 1 0 tar z \( probably ftp cmu edu andrew cmu edu machines \? \) gle gle high quality graphics package scientists runs variety platforms \( pcs , , unix \) drivers xwindows , regis , , pc graphics cards , , hp plotters , postscript printers , epson compatible printers laserjet printers provides latex quality fonts , well full support postscript fonts graphing module provides full control features graphs graphics primitives include user defined subroutines complex pictures diagrams accompanying utilities include surface \( hidden line surface plotting \) , contour \( contour plots \) , \( manipulation data files \) , \( fitting arbitrary equations data \) available via anon ftp places pc gle simtel , wuarchive wustl edu , mirrors , msdos graphics gle unix gle zephyr grace cri nz \( 131 203 1 5 \) , pub gle unix vms gle zephyr grace cri nz \( 131 203 1 5 \) , pub gle vms mailing list send message listserver biol scarolina edu , message boyd containing sub name maintainer dean biol scarolina edu 15 image analysis software image processing display pc mac based tools \( multi platform software \) imdisp imdisp written jpl nasa sites simple display , enhancing , smoothing works fits vicar pds data formats nasa read tiff images , know dimensions pc macs labview 2 labview used framework image processing tools provides graphical programming environment using block diagram sketch program graphical elements representing programming elements hundreds functions already available connected using wiring tool create block diagram \( program \) functions block diagrams represent include digital signal processing filtering , numerical analysis , statistics , etc tool allows virtual instrument \( vi , software file looks acts like real laboratory instrument \) used part virtual instrument national instruments markets plug digital signal processing \( dsp \) boards pc allow real time acquisition analysis personal computer new software tools dsp allowing engineers harness power technology tools range low level debugging software high level block diagram development software three levels dsp programming associated nb dsp2300 board labview use nb dsp2300 analysis library ffts , power spectra , filters routines callable think c macintosh workshop \( mpw \) c execute nb dsp2300 board analysis virtual interface library ready use vis optimized nb dsp2300 use national instruments developers toolkit includes optimizing c compiler , assembler linker low level programming dsp hardware approach offers highest level performance must difficult terms ease use use national instruments interface kit software package utility functions memory management data communications downloading code nb dsp2300 board \( easiest route development custom code \) ultimage concept vi concept vi france family image processing virtual instruments \( vis \) give labview 2 \( described \) users high end tools designing , integrating monitoring imaging control systems vi software file looks acts like real laboratory instrument typical applications concept vi include , surveillance , machine vision , production testing , biomedical imaging , electronic microscopy remote sensing ultimage concept vi addresses applications require qualitative quantitative analysis includes complete set functions image enhancement , histogram equalization , spatial frequency filtering , isolation features , thresholding , mathematical morphology analysis , density measurement , object counting , sizing characterization program loads images minimum resolution 64 64 , pixel depth 8 , 16 , 32 bits , one image plane standard input output formats include pict , tiff , , formats imported image enhancement features include lookup table transformations , spatial linear non linear filters , frequency filtering , arithmetic logic operations , geometric transformations , among others morphological transformations include erosion , dilation , opening , closing , hole removal , object separation , extraction skeletons , among others quantitative analysis provides objects' detection , measurement , morphological distribution measures include area , perimeter , center gravity , moment inertia , orientation , length relevant , shape factors equivalence measures saved ascii format program also provides macro scripting integration custom modules 3 view command plots perspective data graph image intensity mountains valleys plot histogram tool plotted either linear logarithmic scale twenty eight arithmetic logical operations provide masking averaging sections images , noise removal , making comparisons , etc 13 spatial filters alter pixel intensities based local intensity include high pass filters contrast outlines frequency data resulting fft analysis displayed either \( real , imaginary \) components \( phase , magnitude \) data morphological transformations useful data defining objects removing artifacts transformations include thresholding , , even hole filling program 's quantitative analysis measurements include area , perimeter , center mass , object counts , angle points , inc 2455 bennett valley road santa rosa , ca 707 579 iplab spectrum iplab spectrum supports image processing analysis lacks morphology quantitative analysis features provided ultimage concept vi using scripting tools , user tells system operations performed problem far many basic operations require manual intervention tool supports ffts , 16 arithmetic operations pixel alteration , movie command cycling windows macintosh based tools ncsa image , ncsa ncsa provides whole suite public domain visualization tools macintosh , primarily aimed researchers wanting visualize results numerical modelling calculations applications , documentation , source code available anonymous ftp ftp ncsa uiuc edu commercial versions ncsa programs developed spyglass spyglass , inc 701 drive champaign , il 61820 \( 217 \) 355 6000 fax 217 355 nih image available alw nih gov \( 128 231 128 7 \) \( preferably \) zippy nimh nih gov 128 231 98 32 , directory pub image painting image manipulation tools , macro language , tools measuring areas , distances angles , counting things using frame grabber card , record sequences images played back movie invoke user defined convolution matrix filters , gaussian import raw data tab ascii , 1 2 byte quantities also histograms even 3 plots limited 8 bits pixel , though 8 bits map color lookup table runs mac 256 color screen fpu \( get version zippy nimh nih gov \) data translation , inc 100 dr marlboro , 01752 508 481 3700 blue solutions place thousand oaks , ca 805 492 tcl image complete family \( hardware accelerator applications software \) scientific image processing analysis video rate capture , display , processing , analysis high resolution color images includes c source code tcl image software package scientific , quantitative image processing analysis provides complete language capture , enhancement , extraction quantitative information gray scale images tcl image 200 functions image processing , contains elements needed full programming language algorithm development variables control structures easily extensible script \( indirect command \) files script files simply text files contain tcl image commands executed normal commands include ability pass parameters direct capture video images supported via popular frame grabber boards tcl image comes view utility provides conversion common image file types , tiff 725 parkway knoxville , tn 615 966 satellite image workshop comes number satellite pictures \( raw data \) sorts image enhancing 'll need least mac ii co processor 256 color display large harddisk program n't run system 7 x v1 documentation contact address given liz smith , jet propulsion laboratory , ms 300 323 , 4800 oak grove dr , pasadena , ca 91109 \( 818 \) 354 visualization workbench electronic imaging software system performs interactive image analysis scientific 2d 3d plotting paragon imagine 171 lincoln st lowell , 508 441 2112 adobe photoshop tool supports colors 24 bit images 256 levels grey scale image imported various editing tools typical used macintosh based applications include eraser , pencil , brush air brush advanced tools control interaction pasted selection receiving site also incorporated example , red pixels selection easily preventing pasted photoshop transparencies ranging 0 100 , allowing create ghost overlays tools include control brightness contrast , color balancing , hue saturation modification spectrum equalization images subjected various signal processing algorithms smooth image , blur edges , locate edges image scaling also supported storage savings , images compressed using standard algorithms , including externally supplied compression jpeg , storm technologies latest version adobe photoshop supports import numerous image formats including epsf , epsf , tiff , pict resource , amiga iff ilbm , compuserve gif , macpaint , pixar , , ct , tga adobe systems , inc road po box 7900 mountain view , ca 94039 7900 415 961 4400 colorstudio colorstudio image editing paint package features adobe photoshop decidedly complex therefore difficult use several steps often required accomplish done single step using photoshop application requires great deal available disk space one easily end images 30 mb range program provides variety powerful selection tools including auto selection tool lets user choose image areas basis color , close hues , color range mask n't know usa 40 eisenhower drive , nj 201 845 6100 systems high resolution image analysis software provides processing tools work multiple images , enhance edit , measure variety global feature parameters , interpret data systems , 355 w olive ave , 100 sunnyvale , ca 94086 408 733 digital darkroom latest release digital darkroom five new selection editing tools enhancing images one feature allows user select part image simply painting new polyline selection tool creates selection tool single pixel wide selections brush lets operator paint selected portion image note true color image enhancement tool tool used user intends operate grey scale images noted digital darkroom powerful either adobe photoshop colorstudio silicon beach software carroll ctr rd , suite j san diego , ca 619 695 dimple compatible system 6 05 system 7 0 , requires mac lc ii series 256 colours , recommended min 6mb ram capability reading erdas files functions include image enhancement , 3d contour plots , image statistics , supervised unsupervised classification , image transformations also means \( image operation language \) write transformations image rectification , however dimple compatable latest version 1 4 beta stage testing dimple initially developed teaching tool good purpose dimple runs colour macintosh product still development phase e n't inbuilt features packages , coming along nicely inbuilt language writing programs processing image , defining convolution filters etc dimple full mac application pull menus etc unprotected software process software solutions , po box , wollongong , new south wales , australia 2500 phone 61 42 fax 61 42 enhance enhance tool supports measurements additionally provides angle data tool 80 mathematical filter variations laplacian , medium noise filter , etc files saved either tiff , pict , epsf text \( however epsf files ca n't imported \) road des moines , ia 515 270 image analyst image processing product users need extract quantitative data video images image analyst lets users configure sophisticated image processing measurement routines without necessity knowing programming language designed tasks computing number size cells images projected video cameras attached microscopes , enhancing measuring distances image analyst provides users array field proven video analysis techniques enable easily assemble sequence instructions enhance feature appearance count objects determine density , shape , size , position , movement perform object feature extraction conduct analysis automatically image analyst works either board standard video camera , disk stored image within minutes , without need programming , image analyst user set process identify analyze element image measurements statistics automatically semi automatically generated tiff pict files captured video tape images image analyst recognizes items images based size , shape position tool provides direct support data translation frame grabbers menu command allows image capture vcr video camera ntsc pal devices 2 types files , image related sequence file holds processing , measurements analysis user defines automated sequences set regions interest \( roi \) represented movable , sizable boxes atop image inside roi , program find distance two edges , area shape , thickness wall , etc image analyst finds center , edge positions automatically application also provides tools user work interactively find edge object also supports histograms color look table \( clut \) tool , inc 775 middlesex turnpike billerica , 508 667 7900 iplab signal corp 374 maple ave e vienna , va 703 281 fax 703 281 menu driven image processing software supports 24 bit color pseudocolor grayscale image display manipulation map ii among mac gis systems , map ii distributed john wiley integrated image analysis image stanford try anonymous ftp sumex aim stanford edu pd source image v2 , ready run code mac image v3 windows dos pc based tools ccd richard berry 's ccd imaging book bell contains \( optional \? \) disks image manipulating software source code included erdas erdas things want rectification , classification , transformations \( canned user defined \) , overlays , filters , contrast enhancement , etc using thesis changed topic bit work became secondary erdas , inc 2801 buford highway suite 300 atlanta , ga 404 248 9000 fax 404 248 9400 rsvga getting speed program called rsvga available digital image ltd british columbia ibm pc 's clones , cheap \( 400 \) stuff erdas fast powerful , though limited experience erdas used rsvga 6 7 landsat bands good starter program except manual imagine 32 's 32 bit package suppose pcs called program modest amount image processing add , subtract , multiply , divide , display , plot x cut across image also display number images simultaneously company , santa barbara , ca pc vista announced 1989 august edition known available mike richmond , whose email addresses richmond berkeley edu richmond berkeley edu mail address michael richmond , astronomy department , campbell hall , berkeley , ca 94720 latest version pc vista , version 1 7 , includes source code help files , also complete set executable programs number sample fits images wish use source code , need microsoft c , version 5 0 later compilers may work , require substantial modifications receive documentation nine double density \( 360k \) floppies \( three quad density 3 1 2 inch floppies \( 1 44m \) everything , send request pc vista , together name us mail address , office technology licensing 2150 ave , suite 510 berkeley , ca include check \( 's checks fine \) purchase order 150 00 u dollars , address inside continental u , 165 00 otherwise , made university california cover duplication mailing costs software tools 's set software tools put canyon state systems software free , rather cheap 30 heard handle formats used frame grabber software mirage 's image processing software written jim gunn astrophysics dept princeton run pc among platforms forth based system e forth language many image processing displaying functions built data translation source book data translation company massachusetts publishes free book containing vendors data analysis hardware software compatible data translation frame grabbers surely find much pc related stuff couple canadians written program named maximum entropy image deconvolution company named digital signal processing software , something like , software mentioned article astronomy magazine , either jan feb 92 \( article ccd 's vs film \) jandel scientific \( java \) another software package \( java \) put jandel scientific jandel scientific , 65 koch road , , ca , \( 415 \) 924 , \( 800 \) 874 1888 runs ms dos platform uses 32 bit graphics card \( vista \) , released version support number super vga cards full blown remote sensed data processing system menu driven \( character based screen \) , use windowed user interface hardware protected micro barrier reef image system developed csiro \( commonwealth scientific industrial organization \) marketed supported mpa australia \( 51 road , , victoria tel 61 3 724 fax 61 3 724 \) educational commercial prices , prepared set aside first educational licence subsequent ones come cheaper \( need ! \) installed sites worldwide widely used anu remote sensing lab dartmouth currently uses terra mar 's , 486 pcs fancy display hardware terra mar resource information services , inc 1937 landings drive mountain view , ca 94043 415 964 6900 fax 415 964 unix based tools iraf \( image reduction analysis facility \) developed national optical astronomy observatory , kitt peak az free , ftp noao edu 140 252 1 1 complement stsci edu 130 167 1 2 email iraf noao edu details apparently one de facto standards astronomical image community issue newsletter also seem support well users works vms also last heard , practically shell top vms unix shells 's suggested get copy display x windows flexible extendable tons \( literally 3 linear feet \) documentation general user , skilled user , programmer alv sun specific image toolkit version 2 0 6 posted comp sources sun also available via email alv users request cs ac uk aips astronomical image processing system contact nrao edu \( also see usenet newsgroups alt sci astro aips sci astro fits \) built nrao \( national radio astronomy observatory , hq charlottesville , va , sites nm , az , wv \) software distributed 9 track , exabyte , dat , \( non anonymous \) internet ftp documentation \( postscript mostly \) available via anonymous ftp baboon cv nrao edu \( 192 33 115 103 \) , directory pub aips pub aips text publ installation requires building system thus fortran c compiler package read write fits data \( see sci astro fits \) , primarily reduction , analysis , image enhancement radio astronomy data radio telescopes , particularly large array \( \) , synthesis instrument consists almost 300 programs everything copying data sophisticated deconvolution , e g via maximum entropy x11 based image tool \( xas \) tek compatible xterm based graphics tool built aips xas tool hardware functionality international imaging systems model 70 display unit image arithmetic , etc code mostly fortran 77 system c language modules , available suns , ibm rs 6000 , dec ultrix , convex , cray \( unicos \) , alliant support planned hp 9000 7xx , solaris 2 1 , maybe sgi currently project aips underway rewrite algorithmic functionality aips modern setting , using c object oriented approach whereas aips proprietary code \( licensed free non profit institutions \) owner nrao nsf , aips public domain level , international effort contributions us , canada , england , netherlands , india , australia name laboimage \( version 4 0 x11 \) 's written c , currently runs sun 3 xxx , sun 4 xxx \( 5 , 4 0 4 0 3 \) sunview expert system image segmentation written common lisp used following domains computer science \( image analysis \) , medicine , biology , physics distributed free charge \( source code \) available via anonymous ftp ftp ads com \( 128 229 30 16 \) , pub vision list archive shareware laboimage contact prof thierry pun , computer vision group computing science center , u geneva 12 , rue du , ch 1207 geneva switzerland phone 41 \( 22 \) 787 65 82 fax 41 \( 22 \) 735 39 05 e mail pun cui ch pun bitnet figaro originally made vms , obtained keith australia \( ks gov au \) unix sam caltech \( sns deimos caltech edu \) 's sun khoros moved scientific visualization category vista real thing available via anonymous ftp lowell edu email vista lowell edu details total size less disimp \( device independent software image processing \) powerful system providing user friendliness high functionality interactive times feature description disimp incorporates rich library image processing utilities spatial data options functions easily accessed via disimp executive menu modular design groups image processes function logical structure means complicated processes simply progression series modules processes include image rectification , classification \( unsupervised supervised \) , intensity transformations , three dimensional display principal component analysis disimp also supports simple effective enhancement techniques filtering , band subtraction host configuration requirements running unix workstations , disimp capable processing computational intensive techniques interactive processing times disimp available runtime programmer 's environments using programmers environment , utilities developed specific applications programs graphics governed icon based display panel allows quick displayed image manipulations look tables , colour stretches , changes histograms , zooming panning interactively driven control range geographic projections enables disimp integrate data image , graphic textual types images rectified number coordinate systems , providing true geographic knowledge essential ground overlays , text vector data added enhance referenced imagery system flexible package allowing users various skill levels determine working environment , including amount help required disimp comes fully configured optional extras purchase price includes functionality required professional processing remote sensed data information , please contact business manager , engineering group systems division , 627 chapel street , south , australia telephone 61 3 825 5555 fax 61 3 826 6463 global imaging software use global imaging software process avhrr data , dish final display select chunk five band data pass , automatic navigation , calibrate albedo temp , convert byte , register window , relatively automatically classification routines speak , n't difficult write programmer 's module small operation one designs , one codes , one sells around number years , sold weather service navy runs hp9000 hp ux supports 24 bit display hips \( human information processing laboratory 's image processing system \) michael landy co wrote sell general purpose package image processing used basically usual image processing applications \( robotics , medical , satellite , engineering , oil exploration , etc \) called hips , deals sequences images way deals single images growing since first wrote , additions us well huge user contributed library feature description hips set image processing modules together provide powerful suite tools interested research , system development teaching handles sequences images \( movies \) precisely manner single frames programs subroutines developed simple image transformations , filtering , convolution , fourier transform processing , edge detection line drawing manipulation , digital image compression transmission methods , noise generation , image statistics computation 150 image transformation programs developed result , almost image processing task performed quickly conveniently additionally , hips allows users easily integrate custom routines new users become effective using hips first day hips features images self documenting image stored system contains history transformations applied image hips includes small set subroutines primarily deals standardized image sequence header , large library image transformation tools form unix comes complete source code , line manual pages , line documentation host configuration requirements originally developed new york university , hips represents one extensive flexible vision image processing environments currently available runs unix operating system modular flexible , provides automatic documentation actions , almost entirely independent special equipment hips use variety computers including vax , sun , apollo , , ncr tower , iris , ibm , etc image display input , drivers supplied \( \) image processors , sun 2 , sun 3 , sun 4 , sun 386i consoles also supply user contributed drivers number windowing packages \( sun gfx , sun console , matrox vip 1024 , iti ip 512 , , macintosh ii , x windowing system , iris \) package includes interface crs 4000 simple matter interface hips frame stores , put interested users touch users interfaced hips max video hips easily adapted image display devices 98 hips machine independent availability hips proven highly flexible system , interactive research tool , production oriented tasks easy use , quickly adapted extended new uses hips supplied magnetic tape unix tar format \( either reel reel sun cartridge \) , comes source code , libraries , library tion masks , line documentation manual pages michael landy software p box 373 , prince street station new york , ny voice \( 212 \) 998 fax \( 212 \) 995 msl cns nyu edu mira please confuse animation system montreal altogether different beasts ! nfotis mira stands microcomputer image reduction analysis mira gives workstation level performance 386 486 dos computers using svga cards 256 color modes 1024x768 mira contains handsome functional gui mouse keystroke operated mira reads writes tiff fits formats , native formats number ccd cameras , uncompressed binary images byte , short integer , 4 byte real pixel format 1 2 dimensions result image processing operation short integer real pixels , input image mira operation using short floating point arithmetic maintain precision accuracy pixel format 100 functions hand coded assembly language maximum speed intel hardware entire graphical interface also written assembly language maximize speed windowing operations windows 2 image 1 image data display analysis dedicated cursors read position value value real time move mouse also smooth , real time contrast brightness stretch panning magnified portion displayed image \( \) , operated mouse wide selection grayscale , pseudocolor , random palettes provided , palettes generated supported functions include following image image interpolation image constant operations abs value , polynomial pixel value , , 1 x , log , , clip values upper lower limits , short real real short combine images mean , median , mode , sum pixel values , without mean , median , mode image section filters laplacian , sobel edge operator , directional gradient , line , gaussian , elliptical rectangular equal weight filters , masking , median filters , user defined filter kernel ellipse , rectangle , line , gradient , gaussian , user defined filters rotated specified angle ccd data reduction flat fielding , dark subtraction , column bias removal , remove bad pixels column defects , region target mean , median , modal value create , mosaic x n 1 2 images get larger image , collapse 2 image 1 image plot 1 section collapsed section 2 image , plot histogram region image review change image information header data , rename keywords , plot keyword values set images photometry elliptical circular aperture photometry , brightness profile , photometry set upper lower , area inside traced polygon interactive background fitting removal part image , fit elliptical aperture shape image interactive 2 image contrast brightness , x diagonal plot pixel values , distance two points , compute region stats , ` , pan x , location image center , zoom 1 16 10 times , change cursor rectangle crosshair , full image crosshair , , adjust cursor size image select linear , log gamma transfer function histogram equalization interactive specified image offset computation sampling registration interactive 1 image zoom x steps 1 2 2 times current , center plot , enlarge framed area 4 plot buffers cycled interactive data analysis polynomial fitting , point deletion , , change value , point weighting , linear quadratic smoothing , revert unit point weights original data buffer , substitute results data buffer pass back calling function dump data buffer \( overlays error bars \) file printer change user specified coordinate system image combination display , hardcopy halftone printout hp pcl compatible printers \( laserjet , deskjet , etc \) documentation 300 pages custom vinyl binder cost 995 usd copy available axiom research , inc box tucson , az \( 602 \) 791 phone fax international marketing rep scientific corporation , tucson , arizona end part 2 resource listing nick \( nikolaos \) fotis national technical univ athens , greece home 16 esperidon st , internet nfotis theseas ntua gr halandri , gr 152 32 uucp mcsun ! ariadne ! theseas ! nfotis athens , greece fax \( 30 1 \) 77 84 578
vision auc dk \( hans f e s8 \) subject head head win os 2 reply z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu 's message 15 may 93 03 02 10 cst organization laboratory image analysis , university lines 35 article 1993may15 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes hearing endless debate \( read name calling \) os better , dos windows os 2 finally enought play couple different operating systems , decided put two products head head test , many fellow suggested , however , desire whatsoever use version os 2 wont really says \( e run windows apps \) os 2 2 0 2 1 run windows apps 386 mode , something larger windows apps require , os 2 2 2 , supposed beta test , supposed heard os 2 2 2 beta available via ftp , wondering anyone knew obtain copy would appreciate information , would like , , establish best os needs robbie z shererrg sfasu edu wait may 18th able buy new os 2 2 1 since released comdex day run windows 3 1 apps windows enh mode ca n't wait , ftp 6 months old beta version ftp os2 nmsu edu , version probably lot slower final product test , please mind single tasking system always faster one task real power os2 lies multitasking ca n't really measured happy hans whales atlantic people islands perfect harmony last 1000 years matter urban without real relation coherence nature says
cph dmu ac uk \( chris hand \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization de montfort university , leicester , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 24 carter ames \( camter28 astro ocis temple edu \) wrote lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? could stored somewhere could become covered moisture damp air , would short terminals thing happens car \( citroen \) damp gets \( us hood \) shorts spark plugs earth wo n't start solution \( car \) clean plug leads spray wd 40 \( moisture repellant \) damp problem , storing battery ground may help i'm sure spraying wd 40 would safe since flammable \( high percentage petroleum \) thought chris chris hand , lecturer internet mail cph dmu ac uk dept computing science , voice 44 533 de montfort university , gateway , fax 44 533 fidonet 2 440 32 50 leicester , uk le1 linux free unix ibm pcs !
rens imsi com \( rens troost \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) reply rens imsi com \( rens troost \) distribution na organization investment management services , inc lines 65 reply jhan debra dgbt doc ca 's message 22 apr 93 13 42 14 gmt article 1993apr22 134214 18517 rick dgbt doc ca jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth tendency part people hide head sand reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? many people want jailed convictions , insistence real privacy \? sit quietly preconditions real civil war put place short sighted government everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper terminal pen \) people work within system trying break \? examine history books , find many armed revolutions led democratic \( democratic style \) governments think 'll find one five thousand years written history really \? guess mean u revolution england , india , mexico , france , holland 's good odds misinformed whole issue topic somebody said something like armed violence meant used response armed attack meant used agression difference self defence murder cops kick door using pgp , tell 're exercising \( called , rapidly narrowing \) right free speech i'm probably overreacting 've read scared lot n't want children growing war zone perhaps talk government disciple david cops friends sternlight \? implied threat private crypto , subtle subtext clipper announcement , worries n't want children growing police state rens disclaimer opinions herein mine mine alone , necessarily represent organization may affiliated j troost unix systems work rens imsi com investment management svcs , inc play rens century com 12 east 49th street , 35th floor phone \( 212 \) 339 new york , new york fax \( 212 \) 444 1980 ims unlikely share opinions
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject f cus health millions america pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu 1993apr22 desire wright edu lines 33 article 1993apr22 desire wright edu , demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) says article pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu , pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes 's question far informed health care almanac , quoting oecd health data lists u public health expenditures 1990 5 2 gdp , 42 4 total health expenditures really paying 42 4 expenditures insure 21 population \? heh , doubt evidence government efficient profit health care proving brett major thinking problem two groups government insure elderly medically needy \( impoverished spending medical care \) typical elderly person spends 3 5 times person age 65 typical medically needy person spends 10 times average person 've got adjust data , brett words thoughts bound swear allegiance word master storm carries , put port make shea , psu home
subject cb750 c flames exhaust ! ! ! ! stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 16 article cmptrc lonestar org , neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) wrote hey , lone biker apocalypse \( see raising arizona \) flames coming exhaust pipes love toggle kill switch sportster produce flaming , especially underneath overpasses night \( 's loud lights whole ! ! ! ! keep people ass really back away see canon fire rolling back harley oh , yea raises hell john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
cleveland freenet edu \( roland behunin \) subject espn wanted show good game organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 9 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu could put quebec montreal game talk bout ! rivalry roland roland
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization hand held products , inc lines 102 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr26 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes article cbnewse cb att com , random cbnewse cb att com \( david l pope \) wrote article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear \( sic \) olds numerous baptists hang around n't seen behavior \? trait \( stocking food week , owning firearm \) definition cult \? proof \( aside david 's \) leads believe banging marrying thirteen year olds going \? wife know equate \? \( sic \) oh , 're really bright nobody would understood typo reasonable insertion , folks would know random n't made error reposting message one flaming typo several parents children either one time currently inside compound made aforementioned charges one parent actually spoke said charges \( reference 13 year old daughter \) koresh phone heard claims disgruntled former members could true , knows proof batf fbi actions \? missed point entirely , missed 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things since guy n't like concept freedom religion , 's going insult mom ! since 're unable formulate cogent response , make lame joke people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia sociopath person sociopaths 200 persons , ca n't stand people , sharing ranch house anti social normally meaning response societal norms stealing behavior 's oxymoron group sociopaths guess 're psychologist oh well joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu suddenly becomes clear maybe get education , man everyone discover net spring \? wo n't assholes use sig send mail instead wasting bandwidth \? someone return address header newsgroups talk politics guns \( \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 65 whereas david pope \( random \) , reasonable newsreader could simply hit reply comments , get education internet use , man random joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
leo bsuvc bsu edu subject cub fever organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 21 article kingoz camelot , kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) writes cub fever hitting i'm beginning think chance year \( heck thinking \? \) sorry moment incompetence 'll ok really orin bradley u i'm really jester disguise ! hear ya ! , must remember indeed cub fans , cubs eventually blow , cubs easiest team national league root pressure know lose eventually oh well , suppose must faith , look pretty good , n't even sandberg back yet cubs '93 ! ! ! ! !
cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) subject price drops organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 8 reply cf947 cleveland freenet edu \( chun hung wan \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu heard apple price drop coming june 30th anyone second rumour \? motion picture major brooks institute photography , ca santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur , malaysia mind forerunner states
narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) subject extra monitors reply narain uiuc edu organization university illinois urbana lines 20 jerry salem writes good \( cheap \) way hook two monitors lc anyone done , like \? jerry slack med upenn edu way would add video card lc expansion port n't expensive several companies portrait monitor video card available check current macworld macuser nizam nizam arain makes universe \( 217 \) 384 4671 hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu nothing nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compare
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject coward cosar organization zuma distribution world lines 37 article usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes arab armies attack israel yom kippur \? suppose brave slaughter athletes olympics \? maybe dirty cosar pig long , long time source ahmet cosar said part 1992 terror attack munich , reporter , february 7 , 1993 , p 1 le , influential anatolia daily , based unidentified sources , claimed last week ahmet cosar , founder leader one faction big mac funny army liberation flies spider \( \) , among argic led terrorists staged attack fast food restaurant munich le added 1992 , cosar operated tygra michigan com , escaped country bullshit bikers entered city time statement issued claimed mr cosar dead wounds suffered becker gts org , although generally believed mysterious leader alive well presently residing alternately , , zuma , paper also noted communist government sexual hasan b mutlu f u c k l l party accepted zumabot 's underground leader open arms still providing assistance exchange pornographic material le adds derives small portion expenditures wealthy drug lords support cause , rest coming either sources proceeds involvement child porn trafficking serdar argic 'we closed tight , late ' \( hasan b mutlu 1993 \)
marcus iiasa ac \( marcus \) subject program display gif files \? organization international institute applied systems analysis x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 11 john chambers \( jc minya uucp \) wrote seems silly , 've located things like tgif edit gif files , various tools convert gif format , n't able locate program opens window displays gif file 've looked thru various faq files , also avail one lurking archive \? nothing sophisticated show pretty picture \? xv
dcc uchile cl \( gabriel c \) subject key event window originator dcc uchile cl nntp posting host dcc uchile cl organization universidad de chile , de de la lines 34 hi , someone program sending key event another window must appear window used xsendevent tar package ! ! ! example , get program executing ! bin sh read something echo something send key event keypress , window get something thanks advance gabriel ez c dcc uchile cl
praetzel sunee uwaterloo ca \( eric praetzel \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization university waterloo lines 25 article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes nah encourage people learn atheism see little atheists sleeves whatever might suspected actually quite riddle god \( \) exist earth grovel \? earth give \? evidence creature \( \) exist deserves anything beyond mild admiration sheer hatred done past \( whichever god \( \) care pick \) assuming records actions correct offers bliss bubble self contained reality seperate physical world belief system leave state drugs god \( \) requirement remove useless build set morals build society upon keep n't believe \( converting \) eric new viruses right life virus wo n't allow delete file , regardless old attempt erase file , requires first see counselor possible alternatives
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 4 commanded \? strong courageous terrified discouraged , lord god wherever go joshua 1 9
gowen forte cs tufts edu \( gregory owen \) subject sun 4 x terminal reply ee ubc ca 's message wed , 12 may 1993 22 15 46 gmt organization tufts university department computer science lines 19 xkernel available sun 3 50s similar package available public domain \? yes , one obtain copy \? yes , available ftp ctr columbia edu , probably pub xkernel response earlier question , could theoretically recompile xkernel sun4 binaries available sun3 50 , author says could used architectures , 'do type distribution use xkernel 7 machines email questions help greg owen gowen forte cs tufts edu , gowen jade tufts edu systems programmer ta , tufts university computer science dept personal info gcs go p c l g w w r x
stanford edu \( richard van \) subject mountain view house sale organization dso , stanford university lines 16 three bedrooms , one updated bath professionally front yard w utilities attached one car garage recently painted inside convenient commute location schools elementary , jr high , mountain view high 209 , 900 information contact beverly morgan \( 408 \) 773
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject x design choice color handling question keywords color reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 41 nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de article cs utexas edu , sirosh cs utexas edu \( joseph sirosh \) writes graphics systems seen drawing routines also specify color drawing , like \( x , , color \) \( x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 , color \) \( x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 , color \) x , something like xsetforeground \( current color \) \( , w , x , \) split two functions \? x designers decide associate color object drawn , instead associate display drawn \? flexibility anyway , say really true color information associated , display , gc parameter drawing routines , need fast switch green dotted lines blue ones width 2 , make 2 gcs cases simply xdrawline \( dpy , win , gc red , x1 , y1 , x2 , y2 \) xdrawline \( dpy , win , gc blue , x3 , y3 , x4 , y4 \) effect eventually complicated programmer , also much efficient flexible would include parameters like line pattern , , cap , every drawing call , color \? btw , stay away \( \) n't really need \( draw random points \) , image transfers image routines brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
nectar world std com \( nectar nirvana \) subject please help amiga user find comfort windows organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 39 stlombo eos acm rpi edu \( steve j lombardi \) writes night i'm amiga user day work windows 'd much comfortable windows two things 1 good personal information manager know calendar , address book , reminder list etc rolled one clean interface lotus organizer ! ! ! quick , cheap , pretty ! features want 2 good file manager poor standards might look one shell alternatives provided third parties norton desktop windows , instance personally , like file manager , comes windows 's much faster ndw 's , file manager 's part windows workgroups even decent button bar one left right window allows file operations able launch programs interface would nice well text reading graphics viewing familiar directory opus amiga know i'm looking first file manager , others 'll need look ndw pc tools windows , etc anyone steer towards ftp sight programs would make transition windows lot easier please reply via email rarely get read group thanks much ! n't yet seen decent freeware even shareware shell may nectar nirvana absurd essential concept nectar world std com first truth
roney sfu ca \( chris j roney \) subject hey , teh cannucks \? organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 24 grogers slacvx slac stanford edu \( greg rogers \) writes hi , due living bay area , unable see vancouver 's victory jets last night know score , rarely describes game could someone please post brief \( sp \? \) happened well team play \? cannucks deserving victory \? well , opinion canucks played really strong game especially pleased strong game linden think could key success year defensively , really strong game hardly heard selanne 's name night craven also played one best games since coming exceptions , really n't let high flying jets much high flying thought jets defence looked canucks forwards improve want make series short , great start ! chris roney \( e mail chris roney sfu ca \)
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization temple university lines 34 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 article 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children janet reno , fbi , et al nothing koresh 's game madman going hurt children , everyone else compound matter fbi situation waco similar hostage situation madman holding gun head innocent person situation , person provokes madman causes pull gun 's trigger responsible death hostage janet reno blindly stumbled basically threw tear gas container madman hoping would release hostage 's surprise madman would pull trigger response kind provocation hostage situation taken place numerous occasions result police trying take place force result death hostages gunmen however , first time 've heard blame landing squarely police country policy negotiating back terrorists hostage takers since encourages terrorists hostage takers richard
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject christianity repeated lives lines 48 article may 12 04 26 40 1993 athos rutgers edu athmail1 cause way qub ac uk writes \( single angle brackets \) jesus talking apostles ask pharisees say messiah come elijah must first come jesus replies elijah come , recognize says apostles perceived ng john baptist seems clearly imply reincarnation popular belief judaism time , elijah would return \( taken heaven chariot actually die \) however jesus referring john baptist sense elijah john \( remember elijah didn`t die \) john similar prophet elijah question similarity jesus indication john passage matthew direct luke \( 1 17 \) reports angel gabriel john go christ power spirit elias , matthew 11 14 , jesus says john , care accept , elijah , come interesting jesus prepended words , care accept , say implications truth , namely rein , force , accept , jewish poster newsgroups jewish topics outlined esoteric , jewish teaching reincarnation karma , teaching little known among jews today , apparently widespread enough israel \( hinds feet high places \) told rabbi trying convert back 1940s missionary palestine thus may well small number jews knew , whereas large number people statement jesus john , greatest human personality new testament , guarded nevertheless quite direct , subject reincarnation , one way another , subject new testament , fate general human death last judgement occasional indications point popular belief elijah would come , popular belief , jesus confirms one place , never corrected expecting elijah example , thought jesus gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \)
mdgoodma apgea army mil \( malcolm goodman mdgoodma \) subject fiber optic modems sale cheap organization apg edgewood , md , usa distribution na lines 20 ok sold , offers accepted offer 25 00 pair gag com \( \) n't know happened wo n't reply accepted 'll offer please take use take advantage really n't know worth qty 2 perkins fiber optic modems , model , rs 422 interface , appear new powered 's , used cannot tell whether work make offer thanks please buy stuff goes door mack mdgoodma apgea army mil
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject 's rush \( fast \) distribution usa organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 32 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) wrote marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) writes wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) writes remember roads america designed speeds 80 meaning would safe 55 65 roads like autobahn smoother , , wider slightly banked well , 's news 1975 speed limit texas highways 75 speed limit new jersey turnpike \( 95 \) 70 speed limits nevada montana guess n't clear enough said roads designed speeds 80 still safe current 55 65 add saftey margin actually , roads designated safe 80 built 1950 's taking account kinds cars available number would much higher today cars , tires everything else lot except drivers tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
reimer uts edu au \( matthew r \) subject urbana 93 mission conference organization university technology , sydney lines 16 would like hear people thinking going urbana 93 conference december year recently received info \( international fellowship evangelical students \) thinking attending although still sure whether afford would also like hear people involved ivf groups hear things going campus news groups groups people already involved christian fellowship university technology sydney australia interested find going mail find matt reimer email reimer uts edu au
mlh austin ibm com \( sewer snake \) subject batf acronym originator mlh eddy austin ibm com reply mlh austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 6 b urn f
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject espn organization georgia institute technology lines 13 article andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu \( chad nicholas hunter \) writes live pittsburgh \( yes i'm pens fan \) hockey gets lot coverage imagine caps fan residing texas must feel caps fan residing atlanta , dont even tell f \( cking playoff scores news ! ! ! ! ! go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) subject let 's play name game ! organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 41 nl chicago wait til next years new york bunch egos mitch williams blows games pittsburg montreal canadiens \( love name ! \) st louis cardinals \( boring ! \) miami marlins \( try telling tampa marlins florida 's \) san diego 's going men children los angeles disables san francisco get past number five fines atlanta bills colorado pitching 10 houston al new york boston wow , 're cleveland good hit pitchers detroit lions \( hey , score 20 every game also ! \) toronto god jack morris baltimore great park bankrupt owners milwaukee n't drink water drink beer kansas city oh god oakland eck blow saves texas bashers california wo n't win 'll sure hell seattle chicago find way lose agains minnesota msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs ! ! ! one likes believe freedom baseball geddy lee
catcher netcom com \( paul w francisco \) subject nhl letter roger 's response organization night people lines 35 assume flame bait roger , actually truly held opinion article 1993apr26 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes would say letter clearly implies representation views group belong n't share views n't believe majority posters r hockey share views intention allowing simply go ahead without making feelings subject clear thanks speaking n't feel important enough say something would n't say letter clearly implies representation views group belong represents subset \( n't belong \) larger group \( , n't moderated group \) look , several ways state opposing viewpoint three come mind follows 1 \) say subtly result may clear 2 \) say directly yet politely result probably spark interesting conversation 3 \) say directly result validity goes right window would agree unwarranted use said term entirely immature realize anything say , certainly , used paul w francisco shadow angel cries catcher netcom com front line assembly
microsoft com \( alan ezekiel \) subject waco burning organization microsoft corporation lines 30 v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes hallam zeus02 desy de writes b b c also reporting bodies b members found bullet wounds manner suggests may shot attempting leave compound fire imagine happens magazine explodes \? bullets go flying every imho , gunshot wounds actually caused magazines went unlikely ammunition dangerous simply burned fired gun brass case capable holding pressure generated burning powder , \( unless supported walls gun barrel chamber \) simply split open may cause small pieces brass fly around , bullet significant velocity fact , uncommon years past dispose old loaded cartridges burning long close enough take piece flying brass eye , reasonably safe thus , loaded magazines loose rounds might cause slight injury would unlikely cause fatal bullet wounds nobody shares opinions , jelly especially employer president john f kennedy
vaughan dsto gov au \( vaughan clarkson \) subject connecting digitiser x \( repost \) organization defence science technology organisation , , south australia lines 32 nntp posting host caesar dsto gov au hi \( posted comp windows x intrinsics got response , i'm posting \) i'm wanting connect digitiser made pcs workstation \( hp 720 \) understanding x windows understand variety input devices including digitiser tablets however , digitiser makes use serial port , would seem need special device driver hp manual pages say hp x server accept x input devices listed usr lib x11 x devices file \( display number \) n't think would able simply insert dev input device file expect digitiser work maybe i'm wrong \? would like know anybody digitiser connected workstation use pointer x \( rather input specific x application \) \? , steps required installation \? need special device driver \? manufacturer supply \? generic public domain device drivers around \? \( understand generally use couple standard formats \) help would greatly appreciated cheers vaughan vaughan clarkson email vaughan dsto gov au engineering ph student phone 61 8 259 pilot fax 61 8 259 \( \)
markp wri com subject worshipping constitution \? \( gun \) organization utexas mail news gateway lines 29 nntp posting host cs utexas edu papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) said sorry reading newsgroup ca n't help get impression mouth lunatics get lot snip c \) constitution worshiping 's right 's constitution constitution n't framed men , centuries ago totally different world three options respect constitution 1 abide 2 duly amend 3 abandon parts majority disapproves course , since whole point constitution restrain majority , since even democracy nothing fear minorities , 3 amounts abandoning constitution altogether \? mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research , inc purely coincidental
casbah acns nwu edu \( daniel \) subject picture ascii conversion \? nntp posting host casbah acns nwu edu organization northwestern university , evanston il lines 10 wondering anyone ever seen heard utility converts type image format \( gif , tiff , pcx , bmp , jpeg , etc \) ascii representation seen art ascii format , never able find author program may converted data picture format help leads would great thanks advance danny casbah acns nwu edu
carina unm edu \( jenny \) subject another request darwin fish organization cursed female lines 11 nntp posting host carina unm edu darwin fish bought join \( tm \) send 6 receive official evolving fish wherever want spread good news ! , sunset blvd , ste 1525 , l , ca greatest theory ever told ! jenny forty years nursing homes filled demented hackers , studying blank laptop screens nicely placed keep knees warm k mitchum
woods ulowell edu subject pitcher get save \? lines 22 organization university massachusetts lowell article 1993apr23 newshub ariel yorku ca , cs902060 ariel yorku ca \( geoffrey e dias \) writes subject line says rule qualifies pitcher making save \? far know , save opportunity 7th inning beyond , batter deck either tie win ball game example bottom 8th inning clemens red sox leading 4 1 clemens givin hit , man first , batter , batter deck could tie game homer jeff russel came , \( red sox reliever \) , finished game without allowing tieing losing run score , would get save clemens would get win thats beleive works hope could help , cowboy
mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) subject pitcher get save \? reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 43 edu writes article 1993apr23 newshub ariel yorku ca , cs902060 ariel yorku ca \( geoffrey e dias \) writes subject line says rule qualifies pitcher making save \? imho untrustworthy , silly stat , today 's rules , baseball understanding qualify save pitcher cannot pitch three innings potential tying run must least appear deck circle also , lead pitcher enters cannot three runs phenomenon known around work ready fire aim astounded number times people post strong opinions things n't understand publicly admit understanding fact , 's plausible argument saves rational stat wins record , two ways reliever get save must finish game either 1 entered game tying run base , bat , deck 2 pitched least three innings effectively pitcher may get win save game believe official scorers must assert authority determining winners etc instance , pitcher come ninth lead , blow lead , fall behind , team come back next half inning earn win pitcher earned win , way argument wins dumb stat , saves guy could pitch five strong innings middle relief see teammates rally tie score assume came start fourth left eighth teammate holds opposition scoreless ninth score run bottom ninth win third pitcher earns win middle reliever gets stat satisfaction n't support claim saves beginning post mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com conceptual integrity important consideration system design frederick p brooks , jr , mythical man month
conor owlnet rice edu \( conor frederick \) subject genocide caused theism evidence \? organization rice university lines 23 article dvi mailer cc fsu edu dirac scri fsu edu \( stephen l \) writes saw 3 hour show pbs day history jews , \( religious war 'the holy land' \) sparked widespread persecution jews europe among supporters , none martin luther , vatican later , hitler would use writings justify treatment jews genocide caused theism evidence \? heck , remember reading quote luther something like jews shot like deer course much catholic doctrine centuries extremely anti semitic sure truth justice worth truths centuries \? de certainty rises doubt critique \? karl rice university , rice college '96
distribution world david schnider bmug org organization bmug , inc subject desi pb upgrade lines 7 could n't replacement become expensive \? david planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
olav nordic offshore \( jan olav \) subject ics widget data book organization nos lines 23 anyone know obtain information ics widget data book \? email address , n't seem reading \( replying \) mail ! jan olav , software engineer systems administrator ! ! snail mail ! email ! ! nordic offshore systems ! olav nordic offshore ! ! drilling information services ! voice ! ! 3 , box 185 ! \( 47 \) ext 211 ! ! 1321 ! fax ! ! norway ! \( 47 \) ! ! n't believe astrology i'm , ! ! n't believe astrology ! ! jan olav , software engineer systems administrator ! ! snail mail ! email ! ! nordic offshore systems ! olav nordic offshore !
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject free moral agency organization sgi lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes many atheists posting argue parody religion create ridiculous caricature religion attack believers within religion religion ridiculous devices , establish new religion , mythology mean bobby mozumder myth \? wondered point course , erect easy target deflect away real issue atheism fictional christian moslem jew supposed believe distorted representation beliefs presented , therefore made seem fool arguments thereby made appear ludicrous mythology misrepresentations religion used fact mean bobby mozumder n't really post \? wondered , , mr conner bobby mozumder myth , performing artist , real moslem crackpot , \? know everything read minds n't tell us \? jon
jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu subject microcontroller questions newcomer organization university louisville lines 18 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu anyone recommendations whether smart data \( print , digital sampling , etc \) would better implemented dma chip dedicated microcontroller \? essentially trying decide best way handle moving data port automatic handshaking memory area accessible main system processor use smart data dma microcontroller chip would best use \? fast , cheap , easy obtain would nice , wo n't limit choices fit characteristics even 8086 8088 \( 5 \) would want , sure better alternative like microcontroller \( e \) eprom essentially want hear dma microcontrollers simple interface move data one place another monitoring lines jeff white jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university georgia , athens lines 11 article may 13 02 29 39 1993 geneva rutgers edu revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes manifestation spirit among gentiles convinced peter \( acts 10 \) prejudice \( based scripture , might add \) accordance god 's intentions would like point particular command eat fellowship gentiles found old testament part built around law part peter 's tradition , scripture link hudson
gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu \( gary r michael \) subject vesa driver ibm xga organization office information management , university illinois lines 13 anyone tell find standard vesa display driver support motherboard xga video 486 dx2 ibm model 95 \( \) \? need use 640 x 480 higher resolutions windows 3 1 ms dos minimum colors 256 highest resolution , 64k colors needed 640 x 480 gary r michael phone \( 217 \) 244 associate director fax \( 217 \) 244 office information management e mail gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu university illinois \( 128 174 5 98 \) 18 david hall gary michael cerl west gregory drive urbana , il 61801
ballou ai mit edu \( kenneth robert ballou \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization oberon software , inc lines 55 distribution world nntp posting host ai mit edu article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes article shaman wv tek com , andrew frip wv tek com \( andrew klossner \) wrote lpt1 , com1 , disk controller call devices devices requires exclusive interrupt ownership , eg disk controller \( i6 \) keyboard \( i1 \) also devices require exclusive ownership , ie share interrupt another device , eg lpt1 standard isa bus , one almost non laptop pcs use , two separate interface cards cannot share interrupt due screwup bus design example , soundblaster wants drive interrupt number 7 , must hold certain bus wire 0 1 times , depending whether wants interrupt precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7 two devices isa bus pc share interrupt , 's 're implemented single card interesting would care explain , soundblaster pro card printer card sharing irq 7 successfully \? assure set irq 7 problem computer dtk 286 12 ibm clone simple first , andrew correct , although see might confusion indeed possible two cards configured use interrupt share interrupt sense possible cards active time example time , short free interrupts tape controller \( floppy tape \) needed one irq7 \( 's old tape drive \) solution use irq3 \( also used com2 , modem \) reasoned would never using modem tape simultaneously kermit runs , installs interrupt handler irq3 uses serial port tape drive generate interrupt , kermit would clue tape controller \( since tape controller would serviced , would likely hang \) likewise , tape backup software runs , installs interrupt handler irq3 handler wo n't anything serial port dos , printing interrupt driven instead , bios polls status parallel port determine another byte may sent 's sound card lpt1 configured use irq7 try nt see far 'll get \) kenneth r ballou voice \( 617 \) 494 oberon software , inc fax \( 617 \) 494 one memorial drive , cambridge , 02142 internet ballou oberon com views opinions expressed necessarily reflect employer
morgan bc edu \( morgan \) subject writing emm driver organization institute space research , boston college lines 9 nntp posting host bc edu i'm writing driver needs remap ports means virtual mode unfortunately virtual mode means wo n't get along expanded memory managers , need make emm driver anyone emm code point emm code source \? thanks , morgan morgan bc edu
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject seen lobby , us organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 18 distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article 1993apr21 163929 21149 eff org charles gross acg eff org writes nra successful \( among number things \) , drop hat , get congresspersons office flooded postcards , faxes phone calls certainly , way cool internet powers organization , act way , action appropriate n't know , nearly forgotten generate paper mail e mail congress , would written many letters n't written one yet , turns writing paper complicated job , us hooked way cool internet disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject satanic verses organization decision support inc lines 79 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com , posting delayed week falling software cracks article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes promised , rafiq 's discussion nature called satanic verses rushdie 's title taken \( rafiq , muhammad quran , penguin '91 \) follows introduction controversial incident , explanation show could n't actually happened episode n't matter follows n't know whether i'm quoting gregg anyway , back current affairs , rushdie , admission , drawn version given watt among others incident something rushdie watt anyone else dug nowhere , well known story , myth , known \( according umar khan \) every muslim school boy girl , presumably rushdie , gibreel allowed imagination run wild yes , writing fiction rushdie writing crisis faith , chose myth present , placing actor gibreel role angel whose name took rushdie writing history theology book , nowhere claims implies actually happened 's somewhat like stories around relationship jesus reformed prostitute mary magdalene \( another myth \) referring , grail legend , wandering jew , dozens others stand read work , consider salman rushdie 's children 's book sea stories idea way specific works existing story lines ridicule muhammad 's integrity muhammad 's 's integrity really part story , 's reason think rushdie 's intent gibreel , archangel , produces verses \( divine satanic \) , though n't know implied \( straight reading \) muhammad influences voice 'd never know words i'm classy speaker never never n't voice 's voice 's eyes open wide , 's seeing kind vision , staring , oh , 's right , gibreel remembers , 's seeing lips moving , moved , \? n't know , ca n't say nevertheless , , coming mouth , throat , past teeth words god 's fun , god n't picture god knows whose 've 's ambiguous somehow manipulating gibreel \? satan \? something else \? answer given sure , question raised novel explores faith role revelation religion , among things addressing loss faith implicitly raises questions truth revelation , novel proposes answers , least directly existence newsgroup named alt atheism raises questions , forcefully , propose answers , real relevance rushdie 's mild fictional exploration filth lies , asked got , next fatwa list \? \( 's rhetorical question , course \) jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee , jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
mitre org \( steven chase \) subject uimx motif application generator reply ptm xact demon co uk 's message tue , 11 may 1993 15 28 07 gmt lines 29 nntp posting host mitre org organization mitre corp mclean va lines 29 article 1993may11 xact demon co uk ptm xact demon co uk \( paul thomas mahoney \) writes newsgroups comp windows x path linus mitre org ! linus ! agate ! howland reston ans net ! torn ! nott ! ! bnr co uk ! uknet ! warwick ! qmw dcs ! qmw ! demon ! xact demon co uk ! ptm ptm xact demon co uk \( paul thomas mahoney \) organization x act solutions limited x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 date tue , 11 may 1993 15 28 07 gmt lines 8 looking information regarding uimx believe application front end generator tool motif \( among others \) someone given contact \? need get hold guide , something like paul mahoney , x act solutions limited smail 20 shipley lane , , sea , east sussex , email ptm xact demon co uk cix compulink co uk phone 44 424 went convention ny talked people make uimx sent huge 3 ring binder info demo tape let know need steve chase mitre org
austin edu \( michael carr \( \) \) subject digital ac scaling organization ohio northern university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 28 visualization stage circuit design right , wondering best way scale ac voltage using 8 bit digital word thinking using common method sending word adc comparing ac voltage \( converted wave \) get duty cycle however , leary method \) requires lot parts , , importantly , b \) creates lot interference switching entire ac line realize correct filtering could cancel interference , would require parts boost price someone mentioned seen ic input 8 bits data directly scaled ac voltage coming chip unfortunately , could n't remember chip number manufacturer anyone else heard chip , please e mail building project dimmer box light controller circuit important cost box remains low one dimmer required light user wishes control \( well , channel , least \) therefor , box costs 150 , doubt end user want dish \( 150 x 16 2400 \) sixteen channels something noticed today 's dimmer boxes expensive ! anyway , help someone could offer either method easily info chip \( always preferred method \) greatly appreciated ! michael carr carr edu
wilkins scubed com \( darin wilkins \) subject message mr president know happened \? keywords success nntp posting host renoir organization cubed , division maxwell labs san diego ca lines 38 article noose ecn purdue edu tbrent ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes check news today , \( ap \) authorities also found state art automatic machine gun investigators know cult 's arsenal carl stern , justice department article mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes yeah fire reportedly burned hotter 1000 degrees hot enough make bodies still authorities found gun fully automatic state art n't \? convenient \? seems appropriate cross posted alt conspiracy assuming favorable interpretation measurement \( temperature , rather common us fahrenheit \) , still laboring least 2 misconceptions 1 seem believe steel somewhere around 1000 c actually , melting point iron \( iron \) neighborhood 1400 c even gun found area achieved 1000 c temperature , steel parts gun would deformed , would still trivial identify nature weapon 2 fire process spots spots , though purely relative term weapon necessarily situated hot spot , seem imply , even , \? would melted anyway darin wilkins scubed com president food
nyx cs du edu \( ralph \) subject illegal transmit encrypted data \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 12 wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) writes fact nsa listening may affect willingness use wimpy crypto technologies , may also affect willingness use technologies violate rsa 's patents , e g use pgp , nsa may tell rsa 're , secret service catches , i'm afraid disagree point nsa tell rsa non dod entity anything eavesdropping reveals includes fbi service \( although rare exceptions \)
emr1 emr ca \( roy \) subject sabre fans organization dept energy , mines , resources , ottawa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 8 yes , yes , see sabre fans finally taking sabre moth balls proudly wearing 9 years playoff frustration 3 games nil guess pretty good bet team come back 0 3 deficit since 1975 could year \( n't throw moth balls yet \) roy
me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) subject removing battery corrosion originator me170pjd morris emba uvm edu organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 8 article 1993apr25 1239 princeton edu , fuchs tsar princeton edu \( ira h fuchs \) readily available solvent good job removing corrosion collects battery terminals \( usually cathode \) using alkaline batteries \( accurately , using long time \) \? generally , corrosion signal 's time send , 're desperate cheap try soda wire brush use gloves goggles , please !
gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) subject impeach clinton , reno organization georgia institute technology lines 17 simple points leadership responsible subordinates fail law deaths occur result commision crime felony whoever dies incident , whoever committed crime establishing incident murder one criminals charged murder deaths police stray rounds someone dying heart attack also considered murder one , situation caused crime james cochrane danger , doubt , run space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles , scream shout rent
email sps mot com \( jim \) subject toyota land cruiser worth \? nntp posting host 222 18 80 28 organization major semiconductor company lines 25 article hp col col hp com , tvervaek col hp com \( tom vervaeke \) wrote wife looked , drove one last fall 1992 model underpowered could imagine driving mountains colorado anything approaching highway speeds read new 1993 models newer , improved hp engine i'm quite serious laughed salesman face said 's broken feel powerful used driving jeep 4 0l engine believe 92 's land cruisers \( land \) 3 0l , 4runner , also underpowered \( 91 92 cruisers run 4 0l straight 6 ft torque plenty highway , marginal highway 93 much improved 4 2l straight 6 lb torque big cars , roomy , nothing spectacular take rough trails , 'll see difference cruiser order magnitude better highway ability jim 85 toyota 4wd pickup email sps mot com 72 lemans sport convertible tempe , arizona
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject rocket types organization u toronto zoology lines 14 article wraith cs uow edu au wraith cs uow edu au \( glen justin balmer \) writes said 60 's developed rocket used ions nuclear particles government however , n't give 1billion developement 'd guess garbled report effort develop solid core fission rocket \( mundane type nuclear rocket \) advanced propulsion project done large enough scale likely attract news attention could number things description given awfully vague 'd put small bet svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject jack morris organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 42 bnr ca \( barry walker \) writes article 1993apr19 ramsey cs laurentian ca , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes hey valentine , n't see boston world series rings fingers damn , morris three probably hall fame future therefore , would say toronto easily made best signing n't tell boston win year wo n't even top 4 division , like 6th spite stat heads say , jack morris played large role jays winning world series last year n't care era 4 \? played leadership role win 21 games era may high , pitch many outstanding ball games pitched many outstanding ballgames , jack essentially pitched lot 500 ball last year certainly n't irrelevant , iif replace morris replacement level quality blue jays might win leadership , n't see leadership effect starting pitcher , would expect see primary effect pitching staff would expect see rest staff improve instead , rest staff declined make reasonable argument winfield providing leadership offense picked considerably effectiveness previous year i'm saying buy , least argument makes internal sense greg barry walker bnr ottawa canada opinions
jek cu nih gov subject bernadette dates lines 14 joe moore writes mary time appeared girl named bernadette lourdes referred immaculate conception since nine year old would way knowing doctrine , apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine bernadette 14 years old visions , 1858 , four years dogma officially proclaimed pope , james kiefer
sl nessie mcc ac uk \( stuart lea \) subject anyone build anything interesting devices \? organization manchester computing centre lines 16 've started programming 'd like talk similar like minded people \? built anything interesting , , 'd interested talking various aspects yes , already application sheets , assembler simulator cheers , stuart stuart lea tel 200 fax 200 4019 umist university janet sl uk ac mcc nessie , main bldg , po box 88 internet sl nessie mcc ac uk manchester , uk m60 weather , wish beautiful
turmoil halcyon com \( tim crowley \) subject welcome police state usa organization northwest nexus inc lines 20 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com csc canterbury ac nz writes article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? 1 withdraw 2 leave people compund lead lives choose 3 prosecute agents murder brandon , university canterbury , christchurch new zealand cheers brandon 's best suggestion seen ! ! ! ya turmoil halcyon com
hertz njit edu \( samuel c \) subject terminal setup , \? organization new jersey institute technology , newark , n j lines 8 nntp posting host hertz njit edu new windows wanted know setup terminal program modem com4 , try configure inside windows get unsupported com anyone help \? sam
david stat com \( david dodell \) subject medical news part 4 4 reply david stat com \( david dodell \) distribution world organization stat gateway service , wb7tpy lines 625 cut call employers keep information hiv status health care workers confidential doctors know hiv positive colleague sought advice must inform employing authority appropriate professional regulatory body guidelines also emphasize significance notifying patients invasive procedure done infected health care worker model letter patients come contact individual provided , along suggestions health officials deal media addition , u k advisory panel hiv infection health care workers formed provide specific occupational recommendations treating patients properties hiv nature \( 04 08 93 \) vol 362 , 6420 , p 504 \( volvovitz , franklin smith , \) questions raised moore et al gp160 envelope precursor hiv 1 produced microgenesys advantages rather disadvantages , write franklin volvovitz smith microgenesys , conn moore et al says gp160 expression system bind strongly cd4 receptor , gp160 stimulate antibodies hiv 1 virus natural infection vaccination gp160 patients infected hiv 1 hiv 1 specific envelope directed immune responses , including antibodies gp160 cd4 cell responses volvovitz smith claim never intended gp160 molecule identical native protein antibody responses native hiv 1 proteins , including types described moore et al , exist nearly aids patients prevent hicnet medical newsletter page 42 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 progression hiv disease addition , binding antibody cd4 shown interfere antigen specific activation cd4 cells trigger programmed cell death vitro , may contribute pathogenesis hiv infection absence cd4 binding microgenesys gp160 vaccine may therefore viewed added safety feature phase studies demonstrated stable cd4 counts , stimulation cells , suggestion restoration immune function based clinical results , microgenesys gp160 chosen researchers institute sweden first phase iii vaccine therapy studies , conclude volvovitz smith hiv 1 infection breast milk hiv 1 transmission lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 930 \( mok , jacqueline \) still questions answers regarding hiv 1 positive women breastfeeding babies , writes jacqueline mok lancet anti infective properties milk well documented numbers , concentrations iga , activity decline sharply first two three months barely detectable levels , iga increase three twelve months , 90 percent total iga milk iga breastfeeding protects infants gastrointestinal respiratory illnesses , normal children born hiv positive mothers italian national registry aids discovered breastfed hiv 1 infected children longer median time \( 19 months \) infants \( 9 7 months \) breastfed children also slower progression aids agreement antibodies offer protection hiv 1 infection studies biological properties milk 15 hiv 1 infected women showed presence igg iga antibodies envelope , well iga antibodies core antigens binding hiv 1 cd4 receptor inhibited human milk factor developing world , infectious disease malnutrition contribute significantly infant mortality , breast milk still best food infants , regardless mother 's hiv status transmission might restricted breastfeeding early milk expressed discarded possibility remains breast milk could protect infant already infected hiv birth may even delay progression aids , concludes mok absence hiv transmission infected dentist patients journal american medical association \( 04 14 93 \) vol 269 , 14 , p \( dickinson , gordon et al \) universal precautions practiced , risk hiv transmission dentist patient appears , write gordon dickinson hicnet medical newsletter page 43 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 et al university miami school medicine miami , fla researchers contacted patients treated dentist aids attempts made contact patients hiv testing living patients newly detected hiv infection interviewed , dna sequence analysis performed compare genetic hiv dentist death certificates obtained deceased patients , medical records diagnoses suggestive hiv disease drug abuse dying age 50 years examined detail 1 , 192 patients undergone 9 , 267 procedures , 124 deceased examination death certificates patients identified five died hiv infection , either homosexuals iv drug users researchers able detect 962 remaining 1 , patients , 900 agreed tested hiv infection reported five 900 patients , including four clear evidence risk factors disease one patient single evaluation dentist denied high risk behavior comparative dna sequence analysis showed viruses dentists five patients closely related study suggests potential hiv transmission general dentist patients minimal setting universal precautions strictly observed , conclude dickinson et al april 22 , 1993 aids patients susceptible tb , study says washington post \( 04 22 93 \) , p tuberculosis strike aids patients , makes health hazard harder control , according study published today 's new england journal medicine people contract tb usually develop immunity protects exposed bacteria person whose immune system may able fight new tb infection , doctors found peter small howard hughes medical institute stanford university , director study , said order protect , may necessary people use tb medicines permanently study examined genetic makeup tb bacteria changed time 17 patients kings county hospital new york hiv 1 infection breast milk hiv 1 transmission lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 930 \( mok , jacqueline \) still questions answers regarding hiv 1 positive women breastfeeding babies , writes jacqueline mok lancet anti infective properties milk well documented numbers hicnet medical newsletter page 44 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 , concentrations iga , activity decline sharply first two three months barely detectable levels , iga increase three twelve months , 90 percent total iga milk iga breastfeeding protects infants gastrointestinal respiratory illnesses , normal children born hiv positive mothers italian national registry aids discovered breastfed hiv 1 infected children longer median time \( 19 months \) infants \( 9 7 months \) breastfed children also slower progression aids agreement antibodies offer protection hiv 1 infection studies biological properties milk 15 hiv 1 infected women showed presence igg iga antibodies envelope , well iga antibodies core antigens binding hiv 1 cd4 receptor inhibited human milk factor developing world , infectious disease malnutrition contribute significantly infant mortality , breast milk still best food infants , regardless mother 's hiv status transmission might restricted breastfeeding early milk expressed discarded possibility remains breast milk could protect infant already infected hiv birth may even delay progression aids , concludes mok hiv aids lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 957 \( duesberg , peter \) proof hiv cause aids , hypothesis drug use leads aids hopefully become \( azt \) psychologically \( positive aids test \) toxic public health initiatives , writes peter duesberg university california berkeley lancet 's march 13 issue , et al call duesberg 's hypothesis injected orally used recreational drugs azt lead aids , public health initiatives however , hypothesis hiv cause aids attained public health benefits u government spends 4 billion annually , vaccine , therapy , prevention , aids control resulted work hypothesis et al conclude hiv key role cd4 depletion aids based correlations antibodies hiv self reported recreational drug use among homosexuals vancouver however , survey disprove duesberg 's drug aids hypothesis , provide controls e , confirmed drug free aids cases quantify drug use ignores azt use altogether refute duesberg 's hypothesis would produce controlled study demonstrating period 10 years hiv positive patients use recreational drugs azt aids risks positives 10 year period claimed hicnet medical newsletter page 45 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 proponents hiv hypothesis time needed hiv cause aids alternatively , could show hiv free individuals used drugs 10 years never get aids defining illnesses , concludes duesberg rapid decline cd4 cells treatment hiv 1 infection lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 959 \( , et al \) \( ifn \) , autoimmune diseases settings , may hasten cd4 cell loss hiv 1 infected individuals amplification harmful autoimmune reactions , write et al hospital , italy researchers report three asymptomatic hiv 1 infected individuals hepatitis c virus related chronic active hepatitis \( cah \) rapid , profound decline cd4 cells ifn three patients throughout observation consistently negative serum hiv antigen circulating antibodies sera three patients , obtained end ifn treatment testing enzyme linked , contained high antibodies reacting sequence located beta chain human hla class ii antigens , sequence located terminus hiv 1 , also recognize native class ii molecules may contribute elimination cd4 cells vivo , low tires \( 50 100 \) three patients six months stopping ifn detected 28 patients hiv infection related cah treated ifn experience cd4 cell loss hiv 1 infected individuals amplification harmful autoimmune reactions subjects a1 b8 , hla antigen combinations linked rapid fall cd4 cell counts clinical progression hiv 1 disease ifn induce rapid decline cd4 cells used patients hla , researchers conclude april 23 , 1993 tb makes comeback state government news \( 04 93 \) vol 36 , 4 , p 6 \( , william knapp , elaine \) although tuberculosis believed eliminated united states , emerging among homeless , aids patients , immigrants , minorities , prisoners dr lee b , professor medicine university new jersey medical school president american lung association , said , right , 's big city problem , potentially 's everyone 's problem ala predicts 10 million americans infected tb , 10 percent develop disease immune systems depressed , especially aids hiv gene hicnet medical newsletter page 46 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 , centers disease control expert , said cdc issued guidelines warning hospitals institutions mix aids tb patients state health officials believe tb also spreading susceptible least likely follow treatment addition , increase attributed shortage public health services new york city , tb epidemic number cases increasing faster treat people , said dr george , director new york state tb control according , spread tb entails keeping 85 percent diagnosed tb cases treatment 40 percent infected new york city residents n't complete therapy tb patients n't finish taking medication , multi drug resistant tb develop , requires taking expensive drugs take two years instead normal six months treat increasing frequency transmitted aids southern florida reality \? american journal public health \( 04 93 \) vol 83 , 4 , p 571 \( , c et al \) high rate acquired aids cases southern florida partially related risk , write c et al centers disease control atlanta , ga researchers investigated 168 aids cases broward coastal palm beach counties cases attributed heterosexual transmission reported sexual contact bisexual men , injecting drug users , persons born countries heterosexual contact primary route hiv transmission medical records patients , addition records social services , hiv counseling testing centers , sexually transmitted disease \( std \) clinics reviewed hiv risk factor found medical record review , patients interviewed using standardized questionnaire std clinic medical records reviewed , 29 men 7 women hiv transmission categories adjustments made , percentage aids cases reported palm beach broward counties january 1 , 1989 , march 31 , 1990 , attributed heterosexual transmission decreased 10 percent 6 percent among men 33 percent 28 percent among women percentage transmitted aids cases southern florida decreased adjustment made cases , still remained national average , researchers conclude hicnet medical newsletter page 47 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 aids statistics world health organization , geneva organisation de la , weekly record 15 january 1993 year acquired immunodeficiency syndrome \( aids \) data 31 december 1992 syndrome \( \) au 31 1992 number date cases report country area date pays de cas de africa algeria 92 31 08 91 angola 514 24 09 92 247 31 03 92 353 30 06 92 1 , 263 20 03 92 6 , 052 20 03 92 1 , 407 05 10 92 cape cap vert 52 08 02 92 central african republic republique 1 , 864 20 03 92 chad 382 17 09 92 3 11 03 92 3 , 482 30 01 92 cote 10 , 792 09 03 92 265 17 12 92 egypt 57 17 12 92 equatorial guinea 13 16 05 92 ethiopia 3 , 978 11 11 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 48 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 215 31 05 92 180 25 02 92 3 , 612 01 07 92 guinea 338 20 03 92 guinea 189 13 07 92 31 , 185 01 10 92 64 31 03 92 liberia liberia 28 31 03 92 arab 7 17 12 92 2 06 11 92 22 , 300 02 12 92 1 , 111 17 07 92 36 19 07 92 maurice 11 29 02 92 121 17 12 92 mozambique 538 10 10 92 311 20 03 92 497 07 02 92 184 12 03 92 reunion reunion 65 20 03 92 8 , 483 12 11 92 sao tome sao tome et 11 03 07 92 senegal senegal 648 09 03 92 18 02 92 sierra 40 20 03 92 somalia 13 17 12 92 south africa du 1 , 316 30 06 92 sudan 650 17 12 92 197 08 07 92 1 , 278 03 04 92 tunisia 114 17 12 92 uganda 34 , 611 01 11 92 united republic republique de 34 , 605 31 05 92 18 , 186 14 05 92 6 , 556 15 10 92 12 , 514 31 03 92 total 211 , hicnet medical newsletter page 49 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 americas 6 10 12 92 et 6 10 12 92 argentina argentine 1 , 820 10 12 92 bahamas 934 10 12 92 315 10 12 92 53 10 12 92 199 10 12 92 49 10 12 92 brazil 31 , 364 10 12 92 british virgin islands iles 4 10 12 92 canada 6 , 889 10 12 92 islands iles 13 10 12 92 chile chili 573 10 12 92 colombia 2 , 957 10 12 92 costa 419 10 12 92 cuba 137 10 12 92 dominique 12 10 12 92 republic republique 1 , 809 10 12 92 224 10 12 92 el 382 10 12 92 french 232 10 12 92 grenada grenade 32 10 12 92 182 10 12 92 273 10 12 92 333 10 12 92 haiti haiti 3 , 086 10 12 92 1 , 976 10 12 92 361 10 12 92 227 10 12 92 mexico 11 , 034 10 12 92 1 10 12 92 netherlands et 110 10 12 92 nicaragua 31 10 12 92 panama 388 10 12 92 51 10 12 92 614 10 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 50 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 saint saint et 37 10 12 92 saint 48 10 12 92 saint vincent saint vincent et 41 10 12 92 122 10 12 92 et 1 , 10 12 92 turks islands iles et 25 10 12 92 united states america 242 , 146 10 12 92 310 10 12 92 2 , 173 10 12 92 total 313 , 083 asia afghanistan 17 12 92 bahrain 3 31 03 92 bangladesh 1 30 11 92 30 11 92 2 19 12 91 see cambodia 31 10 92 china \( \) \( \) 11 28 04 92 cyprus 24 17 12 92 democratic people 's republic korea republique de 30 11 92 hong kong 61 26 09 92 india 242 30 11 92 indonesia 24 30 11 92 iran \( islamic republic \) iran \( republique d' \) 56 17 12 92 iraq 7 17 12 92 israel israel 192 17 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 51 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 japan 508 04 12 92 jordan 24 17 12 92 kuwait 7 17 12 92 lao people 's democratic republic republique lao 1 23 04 92 lebanon 35 17 12 92 2 03 11 92 malaysia 46 25 05 92 30 11 92 1 30 11 92 16 30 11 92 12 30 11 92 oman 27 17 12 92 pakistan 25 17 12 92 philippines 80 07 10 92 qatar 31 17 12 92 republic korea republique de 10 19 11 92 saudi arabia 46 17 12 92 singapore 43 05 08 92 sri 20 30 11 92 syrian arab republic republique 19 17 12 92 thailand 909 30 11 92 turkey turquie 89 17 12 92 united arab emirates 8 17 12 92 viet nam 28 04 92 yemen yemen 17 12 92 total 2 , 582 europe albania 30 09 92 austria 828 30 09 92 belarus belarus 6 30 09 92 belgium 1 , 224 17 12 92 bulgaria 16 17 12 92 czechoslovakia 32 17 12 92 denmark 1 , 17 12 92 finland 112 17 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 52 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 france 21 , 487 17 12 92 germany 8 , 893 17 12 92 greece grece 689 17 12 92 hungary 105 17 12 92 iceland 22 17 12 92 ireland 294 17 12 92 italy 14 , 783 17 12 92 latvia 2 30 09 92 2 30 09 92 55 17 12 92 25 17 12 92 monaco 9 17 12 92 netherlands pays 2 , 330 17 12 92 norway 283 17 12 92 poland 118 17 12 92 portugal 1 , 007 17 12 92 romania 2 , 17 12 92 russian federation federation de 94 30 09 92 san marino saint marin 1 17 12 92 spain 14 , 991 17 12 92 sweden 743 17 12 92 switzerland 2 , 691 17 12 92 united kingdom uni 6 , 510 17 12 92 yugoslavia \( b \) \( b \) 313 30 09 92 total 80 , 810 american 18 11 92 australia 3 , 615 02 12 92 cook islands iles cook 18 02 92 states de 2 01 09 92 4 28 11 91 french 27 28 11 91 10 13 09 91 08 11 91 islands iles 4 14 10 92 marshall islands iles marshall 2 18 03 91 17 12 92 new hicnet medical newsletter page 53 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 et 22 26 08 92 new zealand 348 03 11 92 18 02 92 15 10 92 new guinea 45 10 08 92 1 18 02 92 solomon islands iles salomon 19 12 91 18 02 92 tonga 2 24 07 92 22 11 92 08 06 92 wallis islands iles wallis et 27 05 91 total 4 , world total total 611 , 589 \( \) statistics relating china include 48 cases aids province taiwan les ci se la ne pas 48 cas de dans la province de taiwan \( b \) refers republics areas former socialist federal republic yugoslavia bosnia herzegovina croatia macedonia montenegro serbia slovenia se aux et de republique de montenegro hicnet medical newsletter page 54 cut last part internet david stat com fax 1 \( 602 \) 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na
tffreeba indyvax iupui edu subject death taxes \( give 1 billion lines 31 article 1993apr27 439 bby com au , gnb baby bby com au \( gregory n bond \) writes article 1993apr22 162501 747 indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu writes \? give winning group \( ca n't see one company corp \) 10 , 20 , 50 year moratorium taxes talking bozos ca n't even manage november keep promises taxes made october , expect make \( keep ! \) 50 year promise like \? want give lawyers something 21st cen , n't \? faith political system much higher mine would n't even begin expect australia , n't corruption like oh bet probably better crooks \) gregory bond gnb bby com au burdett buckeridge young ltd melbourne australia knox 's 386 slick fox sox , knox 's box knox 's box quick plays lots lsl 's sick ! \( apologies john iron bar mackin \) tom freebairn came saw went home early 20th cen baseball player anybody know \? \( definitly e mail stuff \)
jle world std com \( joe leonard \) subject orioles phillies home mem day organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 13 subject sez wondering either team town weekend \( 5 30 5 31 \) probably get phillies tix , vet hold bunch \( hope 're still 1st 's late may , \) camden yards problem way getting park w ticket \? advice home \? joe leonard jle world std com p please reply directly , keep net dull roar
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject ok , little hasty organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 14 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 190493111630 moustic lbl gov , jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes dwi stand \? thought dui driving influence , w stand \? driving allows prosecution drivers influence variety drugs ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
sx mont nec com \( greg \) subject wanted source tuning capacitors keywords capacitors , tuning organization supercomputers , mtl , pq distribution america lines 23 hello day feeling tad thought constructing old time radio set figured substituting modern diode crystal , winding antenna coil , etc , problem seem locating source tuning capacitor know , old meshed plate variable condensers used tuning circuits well things seem original catalog capacitors relatively abundant , really suitable application , anyone point supplier tuning capacitors 0 360 pf range \? greg , ounce \( \) , n standard unit supercomputers inc prevention , equal one pound cure cid doe ca
michael sells sells haverford edu subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization haverford college lines 71 distribution world nntp posting host 130 58 172 17 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxdate wed , 12 may 93 13 19 12 gmt subject europe vs muslim bosnians satya prabhakar , prabhak giga cs umn edu date wed , 12 may 1993 15 50 31 gmt article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu satya prabhakar , prabhak giga cs umn edu writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims kind generalization utterly inappropriate bosnian muslims nazis world war 2 bosnian muslims risked lifes hide jews nazis , jews survived war remember fact jewish leader sarajevo remained saying wants repay debt bosnian muslims saved many jewish lives ww2 similarly , serbs muslims group serial killers , rapists , thieves control vast yugoslav army arsenal many serbs oppose atrocities one serbian heritage condemns emphatically genocide carried muslims mladic forces , condemn generalization bosnian muslims serbs fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , every place earth scene saga mutual hatred destruction holocaust fresh case another chapter 900 year history attacks jews europe n't make acceptable balkan history make genocide bosnian muslims acceptable taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry standing allowing well armed criminals slaughter bosnian muslim civilians , enforcing arms embargo bosnian muslims religious bigotry direct complicity mass murder could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word tell us region earth long history war nato largest military police force world helpless could stopped carnage year ago satya prabhakar regards , mike michael sells , department religion , haverford college haverford , pa 19041 1392
duane tamsun tamu edu \( duane k fields \) subject sharp wizard sale organization texas university , college station , tx lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host tamsun tamu edu sharp wizard oz 8000 electronic organizer w 64k ram home world clocks calendar anniversary periodic dates 3 telephone directories business card directory calculator memos screen qwerty style keyboard alarms password protection pc computer interface \( requires cable \) software card slot w touch screen vt100 terminal \( requires cable modem \) also external battery pack uses aa 's mail order price sharp 300 battery pak 35 asking 150 whole deal unit perfect shape , n't use anything address book duane fields friends n't work \( 409 \) 845 box let friends use home \( 409 \) 847 college station , tx ms dos email tamu edu
thomsonal cpva saic com subject space surveillance really meant organization science applications int'l corp san diego lines 33 thanks people answered email question countries engage space surveillance unfortunately , apparently n't make meaning message clear , since replies addressed satellite reconnaissance , rather space surveillance meant countries use satellites look earth \( satellite reconnaissance \) , countries programs detect track \( e , determine orbital elements \) satellites pass overhead \( space surveillance \) us uses missile defense radars , supplemented fascinating quasi radar operated navy , satellites leo , systems objects altitudes 5 , 000 km fee , understand , much thing amateur satellite observers use , binoculars , pcs objects around 1500 km , enabling keep track satellites , ah , official element sets n't available see fascinating books desmond king details , well files directory kilroy jpl nasa gov material posted previous message suggests japan engages optical radar space surveillance modest degree , may countries also question meant ask , , \? allen thomson saic mclean , va oh , yes n't speak saic
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject ugliest stance \( ugliest swing \) organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 23 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 alan , 's another sepinwall writes ugliest stance time go oscar gamble man would practically front home plate order small strike zone ! \( 's lucky strike zone size n't determined big afro \) agree however , object growing early 1980 's playing 2 years mario esque little league , told since hitting , well , sucked , would best either walk , take one face team , yankee fan father would say , bat like oscar gamble career obp 550 oscar fun guy watch , pretty cool baseball cards helped become one best little league players history i'm outta like vladimir ! alan jason miller doctor guy frank tanana 1 win \? ! \? ! \? !
jeff gandalf otago ac nz \( jeff home \) subject article news organization university otago lines 9 x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 18 27 16 gmt nntp posting host 139 80 160 86 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 anybody heard thing called \? saw tv couple years ago , watch transmitter mac practical upshot mac page watch display small message states week two soon interested getting one info would appreciated thanx advance glenn
longs lance colostate edu \( leo j \) subject please ! reply lance colostate edu nntp posting host summit lance colostate edu organization engineering network services , colorado state university lines 19 discussion viewing ps files x11 seems rather interesting fail understand reason contained 2 newsgroups subscribed comp text interleaf could care less ps viewing x11 sure members group interested topic followup looking newsgroups could please remove comp text interleaf distribution \? sort courtesy best regards leo j longs lance colostate edu electrical engineering l ieee org colorado state u \( 303 \) 491 optical computing lab
jburgin ralph cs haverford edu \( joshua marc \) subject sale graphic equalizer organization haverford college computer science department lines 19 nntp posting host 130 58 179 176 sale \( still \) audio source model eq eleven 10 band stereo octave equalizer analyzer display digital readout , controls spectrum great boost kinds music signals fm broadcasts , tapes , cds makes even weakest recording sound great purchased 1 year ago 189 asking 75 00 includes original packaging , manuals , cables warranty card email jburgin ralph cs haverford edu phone 215 645
finn bsc \( finn chr \) subject help needed dxf iff organization bergen scientific centre , bergen , norway lines 30 article 1993apr30 news columbia edu ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu \( pei hsieh \) writes hi sorry faq , conversion utilities available autodesk dxf amiga iff format \? checked comp graphics faq number sites , far banana please e mail thanks pei hsieh \( \) \( \) e mail ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu 's thing small job small fees anon , architect pei help directly width problem , may intermediate roads take get iff using converter take iges , iif , dxf iges , iges , ii iges , iif , iif , ii iif dxf iif ibm iges format may converters handle iges iff hope help way converter part iges processor 6000 package ibm runs rs 6000 aix best regard finn chr ibm bergen environmental sciences solutions centre e mail finn bsc
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject fake god , holy lies organization sgi lines 10 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr22 zeus calpoly edu , dmcaloon tuba calpoly edu \( david mcaloon \) writes remember einstien said imagination greater knowledge ! ! einstein lunch fu castro street yesterday , handed fortune cookie said imagination knowledge wings , feet jon
b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 33 article 1993apr21 maths tcd ie , pmoloney maths tcd ie \( paul moloney \) writes cotera woods ulowell edu \( ray cote \) writes david \( sp \? \) , one cult members , said fire started one tanks spraying tear gas facilities knocked lantern two places \? bit coincidence , never lived country see 4 years ago place carry propane every month , hook bottle copper line , supply stove , type water heater called flash heater flash heater pilot lamp 's point davidians propane tanks hooked copper \( \) lines , run ceiling spaces fbi started wrecking place , could easily ruptured lines would start spreading overhead since country home , n't necessarily built non insulation 's probably plausible anything else , fire started mainly result accident willful negligence part fbi , known better \( ie manslaughter \) 's certain tanks n't used day fire would n't started whatever faults fbi , fact responsibility deaths lies koresh paul , fact \?
saturn sdsu edu \( david \) subject new religion forming sign organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 20 nntp posting host saturn sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 andrew bulhak \( aurora cc monash edu au \) wrote jim \( isaac rpi edu \) wrote article rpi edu , weinss rs6101 ecs rpi edu \( stephen andrew weinstein \) writes kibology \? chopped liver \? kibo summed saying kibology religion , also candy mint floor wax personally think like spam clear i'm presently searching enlightenment , answers unanswerable , certain amount direction without actually going anywhere could kibology \? n't know enough kibology wish someone help 've spread ninth tube paste living room wall form art need higher authority turn towards give life meaning maybe kibology answer 's either go store buy another case paste
visser convex com \( lance visser \) subject waco investigation paranoia nntp posting host mikey convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 31 v2110a vm temple edu v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes people please stop 'i think know batf fbi completely responsible 'll cover investigation show koresch responsible' bs investigation size feds , state , civilians involved investigation would impossible cover place burned ground fbi company whole area already arrested reporters site taking pictures going get terms story fbi , atf texas rangers decide release republicans like arlen spector calling investigations , n't going handled kid gloves cops dropped bomb move managed burn entire neighborhood many people said thing dead men rubble tell tales police dont want tell judge real political mood fact congressperson pat 100 supporter fbi 's actions television week saying cost operation waco valid reason storming gassing compound
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject deir yassin organization university illinois urbana lines 67 rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes first , harry , uninformed irgun 's terrorist activities 'll give quotes book charles smith palestine arab israeli conflict 1988 , 1992 ah palestine arab israeli conflict sounds interesting begin directed irgun bomb civilian 's right , civilian installations linked mandatory authority , military sites misleading supposed charles smith characterizes bombing king david hotel civilian installation installation attacked linked sort official function mandatory government course , lehi splinter group , included notable israelis shamir lehi fighters freedom israel resumed assassinations british officials , civilian , military kind civilians \? assume charles smith means completely innocent people intentionally targeted , right \? please provide examples course , dair yassin , 250 men , woman children killed , perhaps i'm sure strategic reasons , yet ever happened non aggression pact \? references 'd like seems like blatant scare tactics begin admits useful scaring palestinian arabs references ! revolt \( los angeles 1972 \) nice strawman revolt begin state myth massacre deir yassin may effect scaring arabs fleeing however , nowhere claim result specific policy thus , happen , intended think arab calls palestinians leave fear war started arab hands greater arab deir yassin fact jewish terrorist groups managed scare 300 , 000 arabs may 15 1948 really nice use caps like effective actually , according many sources , including american diplomatic officials , greatest arabs leave villages came arab leaders certainly might matter semantics however might say war like said , know palestinian conflict n't war \? israel never got state , 's activities would lost history , categorized sure could identified cause state take seriously harry sincerely think palestinians discriminated case , perhaps , everyone thinks cause bogus anyway stuff ponder ed
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject dod pins ! nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 17 article 1993apr23 1 skcla monsanto com skcla monsanto com writes bad news right placed order , company upped minimum order manufacturing got wire \( order 115 pins \) , result low number pins , relegated 'll get runs bin result , seems may another 4 5 weeks name number pin place would think 115 people calling bitch orders placed getting done first might speed things along dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
aisun1 ai uga edu \( mark msai \) subject printer security organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 15 nntp posting host aisun1 ai uga edu anyone know good software package allow us keep track printing \? way get print manager keep log \? print manager replacement \? package allow access system people password file \? looked chastity , let log without password , n't keep tabs got help greatly appreciated mark programs ai uga edu university georgia athens , georgia 30602
ccu umanitoba ca \( michael \) subject compiling ghostview sun openwindows 3 nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 31 615 ftms uucp brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) writes article curia ucc ie curia ucc ie \( peter flynn \) writes due seems sun 's organisation x libraries includes , standard \( gnu \) software wo n't compile box \( well , tar file \) right i'm trying make ghostview complains ca n't find x11 xaw linked \( ln \) files usr openwin share include x11 thing still complains ca n't find still n't able compile xdvi , way anyone ever managed get anything normal compile sun \( sunos 4 1 3 openwindows 3 \) \? 's trick i'm missing \? 've even tried hard copying relevant files right places every time , 's bit missing refuses find sounds like n't load support libraries ow3 0 loaded xaw support missing 0 added 3 0 harvard ucbvax ! uwvax ! astroatc ! ftms ! brown uu2 psi com ! ftms ! brown rutgers internet brown wi extrel com ftms ! brown astroatc uucp cs wisc edu library might pointed ld library path michael
rhn netcom com \( ron nicholson \) subject mac superdrives read unix disks \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 8 several programs sumex allow macs superdrives read write unix tar diskettes ronald h nicholson , jr rhn netcom com , rhn com , , \( 408 \) 296 include disclaimer
vax clarku edu subject cherry color man pens next year \? organization clark university lines 5 n't guy took shots jagr ulf recent sports illustrated \? i'm familiar cherry 's work , maybe 's known sarcasm , 'd wonder commentary pens bart
organization penn state university robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu subject caps postseason fortunes distribution world lines 12 article jhunix hcf jhu edu , admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) says okay , caps break golf clubs , anyone history washington futility record playoffs \? remember terry 's first year first n't give soon lot fans n't give 3 1 last year gotta believe ! \( hard may seem \) caps 1 power play playoffs 1 penalty killing \( according mike lange \) caps make sure n't go ot boston 's chicago 's demise ot curse
physik uni kl de \( thomas kettenring \) subject old sermon \( krillean photography \) organization fb physik , universitaet kaiserslautern , germany lines 43 article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu , alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes flame reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics especially usa grateful , columbus drop edge earth flame , end sermon \) know sermon posted roughly every month different persons , n't make better get idea skeptics closed minded \? n't consider possibility came conclusions proper methods \? besides , one come conclusion without closing one 's mind possibilities n't agree person , please ask thinks like , instead insulting perhaps 's right follow advice , open minded n't post bit evidence claims , 'll complain 's always neither real believer , disbeliever types narrow judge others without knowing motives thomas kettenring , 3 dan , kaiserslautern , germany n't even know planet native inhabitants government n't tell
artmel well sf ca us \( arthur melnick \) subject new encryption algorithm summary history nea keywords nea nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link , sausalito , ca lines 76 ever since craig posted piece new encryption sci crypt discussion company , secured communications technologies , inc , encryption algorithm , nea spoke craig length 4 21 93 covered lot ground information posting requires clarification , would like answer questions raised sci crypt sct small company based silver spring maryland two main products time pc based secure communications program called secom general purpose encryption chip uses nea algorithm developed secom secom provides encrypted secure communication link two pc 's connected dial telephone lines supports simultaneous bi directional file transfer keyboard screen chat proprietary communications protocol tightly integrated encryption though link , data stream appears continuous packet boundaries hidden secom initially developed , implemented use des encryption business decision made seek export approval product perceived overseas market large one provided good marketing opportunity soon found would never granted general export approval anything using des though reason never explicitly stated , seems something secret government government agreements still effect event , decision made develop new different algorithm would take place des reason nea \( new encryption algorithm \) born time nea held trade secret preliminary work begun , plan make public patent process complete though one make certain legal arguments keeping ongoing secret , think case encryption algorithm necessary let people shoot extended period time prove worth order get export approval secom nea , necessary go nsa reveal details program algorithm done finished product submit let state unequivocally back door program algorithm secured communications technologies closely held private company nsa fbi cia nist whatever financial interest way whatsoever company people involved practical business standpoint , interested selling chips software \( hopefully large quantities \) back door encryption , found , could destroy credibility business encryption algorithm approved export , set talk number potential customers encryption products systems able identify several common threads functionality requirements led design chip encryption algorithm cast silicon certain capabilities added chip could fulfill broad range requirements identified strongly opposed clipper capstone chips press release today , president , dr stephen stated seems government unlimited source funds use push new bugged chips american public understand national security agency , supposed involved domestic spying , fund development commercial chip intended accommodate u government domestic spying activities asked put back door nea would told g f ed nsa break nea \? matter break des , rsa , idea , hellman , pgp , rc2 , rc4 , whatever \? n't know probably never
cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! organization adobe systems incorporated , mountain view distribution na lines 61 article c5t759 dsc well sf ca us rwert well sf ca us \( bob wert \) writes need advice someone ride pillion 750 ninja first time 've taken anyone extended ride \( read farther around block \) 'll riding twisty , fairly bumpy roads \( mines road mt hamilton loop sf bay areans \) unless really , take route first extended ride ! 's kinda like taking someone show 10 way speed star competition first skydive person 100 lbs fairly small , n't see weight much problem , sort advice give go \? want hold onto \) rather grab rail back , 've heard look shoulder direction 're turning leans , else \? traditional 1 \) ninja adjustable suspension , adjust stiffer setting n't bottom bumpy curves 2 \) tell 3 cardinal rules \) never ever ever ever put feet stop stop sign , thinks 're gonna crash , never keep pegs tell get bike b \) hold onto waist hold tightly enough wo n't slide bike twist throttle bit \( added bonus \) , keep close butt possible quick stops n't make slide knock balls onto gas tank decide best word c \) stay perpendicular bike straight seat n't lean body curves , go bike stay perpendicular n't look shoulder 3 \) remember times passenger back means n't pop clutch , try corner stop smoother usual aware jump brake , 're going equivalent 100 lb dead weight crashing behind , prepared 4 \) make sure pisses ride even says n't go anti women stuff tiny bladder 5 \) remind look around 're riding point things interest makes ride enjoyable \( wo n't get focused looking back helmet \) , gives ample excuse squeeze show saw pointed wife tried msf recommended look rider 's shoulder curves bit , n't work timing weight shift unpredictable \( especially maxim , unlike ninja , upright riding position really restricts pillion 's view road ahead \) next time remain perpendicular bike , could hardly tell someone else bike curves , weighs substantially 100 lbs curtis jackson cjackson mv us adobe com '91 hawk gt '81 maxim 650 dod 0721 kotb '91 black lab mix studley doright '92 collie golden george justification taking away individuals' freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject political banner space organization express access online communications usa lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net well , better get shuttle launch vehicle elv 's far political messages campaign season , candidates president launched one , right around 'd getting launch perot 92 used shuttle , 'd seeing launches nixon ever pat
organization central michigan university cmuvm csv cmich edu subject 4 sale calculator lines 16 sharp brand pocket computer model pc 1246 dimensions 3 5 x 5 x 0 5 inches 15 digit lcd display 53 rubber keys \( w alphabet \) built basic prog language 11 pin socketed interface optional cassette drive \( n't \) slide reversable plastic cover sorry , owners manual program two still memory asking 15 shipping \( 2 u \) thanks pete cmuvm cmich edu
hbloom moose uvm edu \( heather \) subject earwax organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 20 hi stephen ear wax healthy way help prevent ear infections , preventing barrier also antibiotic properties much block external canal \( hole outside ear \) cause hearing problems simple , safe , remove excess wax , physician 's office take syringe \( needles ! \) fill 50 warm water \( cold cause fainting \) 50 otc hydrogen peroxide point ear towards ceiling \( 45 degrees \) insert tip syringe \( helps someone else ! \) firmly solution depending size syringe wax , could take several place bowl ear catch water , much \) buy syringe special tip local pharmacy , use whatever may wax old , harder , darker try adding drops olive oil ear shower wax couple days , try also safe point ear shower head , allow water good luck heather
bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) subject changing oil self keywords n nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university 1993apr23 672 magnus acs ohio state edu distribution usa lines 29 sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) writes infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes 're actually worried somebody stealing oil \? ahhh yes , andrew , meet , oil , draining leave stranded c'mon , think vandal 'll \? ! let guess , 're hudson ohio \? \? hey ! 's hudson crap \? actually , place car ever broken hudson laws \( driveway \) took change damn kids regards , brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu engineer , choose k department engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus , oh
mr com \( reid r \) subject modem problem dialtone organization micro resources x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 24 dudek acsu buffalo edu \( cybard \) writes worked fine \) please note none software hardware parameters changed , phone line new modem faulty \? \? david thomas dudek ubvms bitnet cybard i'm arguing phone company similar problem installed second phone line home \( kids \) , whenever one line , modem returns dial tone line pick phone listen , hear kids' voices bleed whenever hear , modem wo n't dial \( even though dial tone loud clear modem speaker \) think 's phone company 's problem , say ca n't \( wo n't \? \) correct problem i'm still working reid r sysop heartland bbs micro resources , inc \( 614 \) 846 dublin , ohio unix systems net mr com
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject sams comics sale cheap ! ! ! ! keywords comics , sale nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 363 ok instead holding auction , decided compute prices comic \( many suggestions \) reasonable prices give \( negotiable \) would like purchase comic \( group \) , simply email title issue 's want price issue shown beside comic first come , first served ! ! ! bidding meet price reached email address 02106 chopin udel edu 02106 ravel udel edu 02106 bach udel edu 02106 brahms udel edu haggling price ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! lots comics 1 , 2 , 3 look list ! ! ! ! ! shipping 2 1 3 comics 3 , price determined volume purchase \( may use big heavy box large orders costs mail \) bought comics , thanks ! ! ! comics near mint unless otherwise noted \( books graded mile high comics comic professional collectors , ! \) list reserved means made deal person waiting check arrive reserved comics good sold \( sorry ! \) incredible hulk 156 \( vs another hulk \) 3 195 2 196 2 246 \( vs captain marvel \) 1 248 1 249 1 250 \( double size issue vs silver surfer \) 5 255 \( vs thor \) 1 279 1 300 2 312 2 313 1 316 \( vs bi coastal avengers \) 1 347 1 reserved 348 1 350 \( vs thing \) 2 354 1 358 1 360 1 362 \( vs werewolf night \) 2 364 1 365 1 366 1 reserved 379 \( 1 copy \) 5 punisher 50 1 57 2 punisher war journal 29 \( ghost rider \) 2 30 \( ghost rider \) 2 punisher armory 1 4 2 2 original ghost rider rides \( reprint \) 1 1 ghost rider \( old series \) 37 3 reserved 43 \( vs johnny blaze \) 3 reserved 77 \( 2 copies , origin gr dream \) 4 ghost rider \( new series \) 15 \( 1st print , green glow dark cover , 1 copy \) 5 15 \( 2nd print , gold cover w glow cover \) 3 web spiderman 56 \( 2 copies \) 2 60 3 69 \( vs hulk , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 70 \( , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 71 1 72 1 78 1 deadly foes spiderman 1 \( 2 copies \) 2 2 2 3 2 amazing spiderman vs dr octopus \( special issue \) 2 amazing spiderman 350 \( vs dr doom , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 spiderman \( 1990 \) 1 \( silver , bagged \) 4 6 3 7 3 8 \( 2 copies \) 2 9 \( w wolverine , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 10 2 11 1 13 5 16 1 enemy ace special 1 2 new warriors 1 \( gold cover \) 2 8 4 superman man steel 1 2 superman \( new \) 53 \( 2 copies \) 1 55 1 56 1 adventures superman 479 1 annual 3 1 superman annual 3 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 action comics 666 1 avengers west coast 69 \( vs us agent \) 1 batman 465 \( robin returns \) 2 466 1 467 1 annual 15 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 3 captain america 230 \( vs hulk \) 2 257 \( vs hulk \) 1 armegedon 2001 1 4 2 2 1 2 infinity gauntlet 1 6 4 3 5 3 double dragon 1 1 deathlok \( series \) 2 1 transformers 80 \( last issue \) 2 wonder man 1 1 2 1 flaming carrot 25 \( w ninja turtles \) 2 comet 1 1 legend shield 1 1 justice society america 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 official movie mag turtles ii movie \( sealed w comic \) 5 robin 1 \( 1 copies w poster \) 3 1 \( 3rd print \) 1 5 \( 6 copies \) 1 guardians galaxy 1 6 2 3 3 2 4 2 5 2 6 2 7 2 8 2 9 \( 2 copies \) 3 10 2 11 2 12 1 13 3 14 3 15 1 16 1 17 1 18 \( 2 copies \) 2 superman vs amazing spiderman \( oversized issue 70 's \) 7 reserved darkhawk 1 \( 3 copies \) 8 2 \( 2 copies \) 6 3 5 4 4 5 4 6 3 7 2 8 2 9 3 10 1 thor 246 1 428 1 429 \( vs juggernaut \) 2 430 \( w ghost rider \) 1 431 1 432 \( thor vs loki , 2 copies \) 3 433 \( new thor \) 2 annual 16 1 13 1 23 1 25 2 26 1 alpha flight 29 1 51 6 53 6 94 \( vs 4 \) 1 new mutants 22 2 100 \( last issue , 1st look x force , 1st print , 2 copies \) 5 100 \( 2nd print , gold cover \) 4 flash \( new \) 43 1 48 1 49 1 50 2 51 1 annual 4 1 uncanny x men 191 3 215 2 255 \( 2 copies \) 2 258 6 275 \( 1 copy left 1st print \) 6 275 \( gold 2nd print \) 3 276 3 277 3 278 2 279 2 280 2 281 3 282 4 283 6 defenders 52 \( hulk vs sub mariner \) 2 fantastic four 347 4 348 2 349 \( 3 copies \) 2 wolverine 11 3 reserved 20 2 41 \( w cable , 2 copies \) 6 42 4 43 3 silver surfer \( 1987 \) 1 6 2 3 3 3 4 3 5 2 6 2 8 2 22 2 24 2 32 2 49 2 50 \( foil cover , 1 copy left ! ! \) 6 51 2 52 2 53 1 54 1 55 1 56 1 58 2 59 2 avengers 326 3 328 \( origin rage \) 3 x factor 40 6 67 3 68 6 71 3 73 1 green lantern \( 1990 \) 3 2 9 \( 2 copies \) 1 10 1 11 1 12 1 toxic avenger 1 \( 3 copies \) 1 2 1 sleepwalker 1 \( 3 copies \) 2 3 1 7 1 kool aid man 1 \( sealed white bag , 2 copies \) 2 x force 1 \( bagged w cable card \) 4 1 \( bagged w shatterstar card \) 3 2 2 3 1 4 1 nfl 1 1 dr strange 31 1 annual 2 \( 2nd print , armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 hawk dove annual 2 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 justice league america annual 5 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 send comments 02106 chopin udel edu thanks sam \( ex comic book collector \) college electrical engineering , university delaware
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject tempest organization mary ellen carter salvage crew distribution na reply angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 19 38 01 gmt 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 31 article 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu \( kirill shklovsky \) writes article 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) writes i'm afraid n't work either pick laptop screens without problem heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? yes , 's true tempest nothing magic , 's listening available electromagnetic emissions using analysis techniques know separate interesting stuff nice thing old crts used put lots signal , 're easy detect , sync carefully , watch output monitor marked chevy step van brands electric even worse cases , 's especially nice gets data user looking , rather whatever stuff paging algorithm paging disk , etc newer , quieter equipment , n't much signal , 's harder isolate fun parts tempest rated equipment much lower signal levels everything vibrations , master chuan said pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
vzhivov superior carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) subject sabres ! ! ! sweep organization carleton university lines 18 's sabres came back beat bruins ot 6 5 tonight sweep series beautiful goal brad may \( lafontaine set lying ice \) ended fuhr left game game injured shoulder lafontaine well however , sabres get week 's rest injuries problem montreal edged quebec 3 2 square series , seems headed game 7 habs dominated first two periods unlucky 2 2 tie 40 minutes however , early goal brunet 3rd islanders 3rd ot game series goal ray ferraro 4 3 caps simply collapsed taking 3 0 lead 2nd time playoff ot record 28 7 vlad impaler
tdbear dvorak amd com \( tom barrett \) subject p24t organization advanced micro devices , inc austin , texas lines 16 article 17r usenet ins cwru edu rrn po cwru edu \( robert r novitskey \) writes anyone heard performance stats p24t wondering 's performance compared 486 66 pentium would info would helpful advertisement microtimes \( bay area mini computer shopper \) systems fremont graphic p24t performance based mips \( power meter v1 7 \) 486dx 33 14 15 , 486dx2 66 got 24 , p24t 66 got 44 45 tom tom barrett \( tdbear \) , sr engineer tom barrett amd com v 512 462 amd ms 520 5900 e ben white austin , tx f 512 462 n't take take hold n't leave chance archer views may company origin
ua256 freenet victoria bc ca \( tom moffat \) subject interview guests nntp posting host freenet victoria bc ca organization camosun college , victoria b c , canada lines 14 ever noticed hockey player interviewed periods tv game usually get goal assist explain usually talk stars regular players explains percentage results wondering everybody else thinks dont care trivial nonsense tom tom moffat victoria b c canada
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject depression lines 9 believe depression dietary component depression also various chemical \( environmental \) components noticed became depressed various buildings , home air conditioning subsequent testing revealed allergic , mold commonly found air conditioners began taking antigens , problem disappeared bruce l
mbk lyapunov ucsd edu \( matt \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization institute nonlinear science , ucsd lines 34 nntp posting host lyapunov ucsd edu x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) writes i'm sure sagan considers sacrilegious , would n't doubtfull credibility astronomer modern , ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field opacity distortions caused atmosphere driven field use radio , far infrared space based telescopes hardly keck telescope hawaii taken first pictures 're nearly good hubble tiny fraction cost case , bright point light passing field n't ruin observations case , thousands existing satellites would already done \( might seem bright eyes , far astronomy concerned , extremely bright \) believe orbiting space junk far brighter still like full moon moon deep sky observation sky \( looking \) scattered light known problem , course two weeks every four ok happens billboard circles every 90 minutes \? would good time \? frank crary cu boulder matt mbk ucsd edu institute nonlinear science , university california , san diego ad archive nonlinear dynamics papers programs ftp lyapunov ucsd edu , username anonymous
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 20 article tredysvr tredydev unisys com , tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com \( tom albrecht \) writes article 1993apr20 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes armed teeth christian rely physical weapons defend christian rely faith intelligence faith intelligence tell breaks house night knife kill 2 wallet , 357 considerably persuasive tom albrecht give 2 , leave house call police 's would kill protect mere possessions peace , malcolm lee \)
subject resource widget toolkit required x windows applications vmsb csupomona edu distribution world organization california state polytechnic university , pomona nntp posting host nntp posting user lines 23 article werple apana org au , jamie zikzak \( jamie scuglia \) writes anyone know public domain toolkits creating x windows applications \? used xt toolkit , would like create pop windows dialog boxes , etc , using sort drawing editor instead trying specify want , sizes , positions , etc , within actual source code basically , looking something similar borland 's resource toolkit ms windows , expect need one x windows instead help would much appreciated recently found excellent source x windows programs 've seen quite x windows toolkits place export lcs mit edu go contrib directory full x windows programs hope helps !
cyborg kauri vuw ac nz \( alex \) subject disks copy protected article st james organization victoria university wellington lines 31 nntp posting host kauri vuw ac nz article mchen terra cs psu edu mchen terra cs psu edu \( michael chen \) writes companies compressed executables lzw kind encryption process , change two bytes thing would go right window entirely true friend mine trouble finishing game gods asked help since could find trainer \( small patch lets play without losing lifes \) game compressed find one byte changed original compressed file would affect decompression would also prevent shield game turning therefore making invincible many progs whose copy protection defeated one way another seen examples eyes copy protection schemes defeated various using protected mode , compressed executables , progs load execute progs \( possibly compressed \) , , key disks , etc believe persistence overcomes even best copy protection schemes michael chen depths lucid horrors spring fond hopes pure desires mchen cs psu edu except comes hell ! \) 7 23 92 alex cyborg kauri vuw ac nz external user victoria university wellington new zealand speak one else
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject letter clipper reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 30 nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 david reeve sward sward cmu edu writes n't know , \? algorithm classified speculate , mykotronx data sheet myk 78 , algorithm classified cryptosystem , similar application des cleared nsa classified traffic , use number years refers government type ii encryption , matches designation one types encryption available stu iii phones , may cryptosystem heard called would make sense , since evidently field proven cryptosystem act pin compatible substitute des combined tappable key exchange protocol , would offer exactly claimed clipper secure encryption access via key escrow fact case , would make quite confident encipherment algorithm , know fact cryptosystem knowledge classified cryptography n't even fuzzy \) , 's nonexistent however , would certainly least effort approach part government take old military cipher people drop place des \( least secure \) , set key escrow scheme law enforcement , promote public use also fits mykotronx , 's around almost invisible years anyone else made sort connection , pink elephants \? \) curiousity amanda walker intercon systems corporation
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject definition christianity \? reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 20 article may 12 04 28 31 1993 9972 athos rutgers edu , autry magellan stlouis sgi com \( larry autry \) writes subject definition christianity definition tied directly trinity catholic church 's definition belief jesus christ sufficient call one 's self christian , common definition christianity \? basic definition use belief jesus god incarnate belief jesus crucified raised dead salvation acceptance jesus personal lord savior would include christian denominations , exclude sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com
tp923021 fir canberra edu au \( ben elliston \) subject floppy problems lines 25 organization compact solutions , canberra act australia floppy drive developed general failure errors \( 's teac 1 44mb 3 5 drive \) took machine noticed dusty used high powered air blow dust 's quite clean however , n't help problem 've also identified machine boots \( drive seeks boot disk \) , head movement process approximately half length original time mean period drive light comes heads move retracted position track containing boot sector anything try save drive \? 'd prefer shell 100 new one help thanks ! cheers , ben ben j elliston bachelor engineering \( computer engineering \) university canberra \( \) ooo \( \) ooo email compsol fir canberra edu au v also cbr cpsg com au uucp ! uunet ! munnari ! sserve adfa oz au ! compsol ! root fidonet 3 620 262 origin compact solutions canberra act australia \( 3 620 262 \)
wg2 waii com \( mike johnson \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 2 organization western geophysical exploration products lines 4 nntp posting host wg2 waii com anyone else notice question federal laws violated brushed aside \? 'd like know laws violated , evidence batf warrants based
jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) subject honda clutch chatter organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca lines 12 anyone else experiencing similar problem \? concerns clutch 92 honda accord 5 speed clutch first used morning , first 4 miles shifting , significant amount clutch chatter things warm clutch shifts smoothly chatter started moved san francisco bay area low humidity environment dealer stated known happen since honda changed asbestos non asbestos clutch material remedy ! ! seems moisture clutch surface causes slipping moisture evaporates comments \?
munroe dmc com \( dick munroe \) subject repost tape drives \( 4mm , 8mm \) sale organization doyle , munroe consultants , inc , hudson , lines 18 acorn software , inc 3 tape drives \( currently used vms system \) sale scsi tape drives working condition wangdat 1300 4mm 500 00 wangdat 2600 4mm \( compression \) 650 00 \( sale pending \) exabyte 8mm 650 00 \( sale pending \) plus shipping cod certified checks , please units sold without warrantee contact 're interested dick munroe internet munroe dmc com doyle munroe consultants , inc uucp uunet ! ! munroe 267 cox st office \( 508 \) 568 1618 hudson , fax \( 508 \) 562 1133 get connected ! ! ! send mail info dmc com find
cs uh edu \( man lung li \) subject malloc problem organization computer science dept , univ houston \( main campus \) lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host rodin cs uh edu solve problem message cannot perform malloc shows xtcreatemanagedwidget call \? application written x11r5 running decstation using athena widgets soon added codes remote procedure call , program refused work also program working using xlib calls rpc executable code 1 4m n't idea much memory decstation 3100 5100 help appreciated thanks man l li \( cs uh edu \) dept computer science univ houston , houston , tx
nntp posting host surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio subject guns amex new name organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway lines 54 originator thomasp surt ifi uio never spoken ban guns america ! 've said seems many , especially many wrong hands would like reduce number , would without affecting good gun owners \? \? believe persons freedom n't believe n't pay europeans believe society individuals , give 'a make society work cars guns really mixed , tried make point like america , norway spaces cross get b , car essential parts guns hand essential norway , n't argue guns ban cars everyone believe hitler ww2 could avoided guns germany 30 's please read history ! discussion 1 banning weapons americans 2 making harder criminals get one \? \? change name wrote one reading first postings waco still think posters move post alt conspiracy make new newsgroup \( read first postings waco fire see mean \) batf get warrant gun search reasons \( child abuse instance \) n't people reading newsgroup access clari news \? \? \( seems rather mis uninformed \) \( clari news ruled censored corrupt facist goverment \? \? \) thomas parsli
keithh tplrd tpl oz au \( keith harwood \) subject gamma ray bursters originator keithh lines 20 nntp posting host organization pacing systems article gap caltech edu , palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? given enormous power , wondering , quantum black holes something like fairly close \? would galactic ranges \? david gives good explaination deductions isotropic , 'edged' distribution , whit , either part universe part oort cloud could n't earth centred , edge occuring edge gravisphere \? know n't mechanism , n't mechanism others either keith harwood
jim n5ial mythical com \( jim graham \) subject help panasonic kx 1124 printer article n5ial 1993apr22 143320 organization , \? \? \? must joking lines 42 article vill edu vill edu \( \) writes panasonic kx 1124 \( inherited documentation \) giving problem cant resolve kx 're talking \? kx 1124 , \? 'll assume forgot p paper light refuses go light also power light \( blinking \) means power turned look panel , read power paper right \? starts blink ever turn power 2 beeps n't know would , unless 're paper , allow go line green light lit , red paper light also remains lit blink power printer , assuming paper , red power light \( , flashing , doubles paper \) light , seconds later , green online light come hope helps jim include std disclaimer h 73 de n5ial \( 4 \) internet jim n5ial mythical com j graham ieee org icbm 30 23n 86 32w amateur radio n5ial w4zbb \( ft walton beach , fl \) amtor selcal nial e mail information kamterm \( host mode kantronics tncs \)
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject political atheists \? organization sgi lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes perhaps chimps failed evolve cooperative behaviour died , left ones evolve behaviour , entirely chance 's entire point ! , 's point evolution , point natural morality unless , course , suggested several times already , natural morality renaming going proclaim natural morality every time organism evolves cooperative behaviour \? yes ! natural morality morality developed naturally yes \? actually stronger agreeing every time organism evolves cooperative behaviour going call natural morality natural morality bee dance \? huh \? bee dance naturally developed piece cooperative behaviour jon
apple com \( james \) subject first tech organization apple computer lines 5 anyone dealt first tech based austin tx \? , \? thanks , james
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject circuit boards green \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 17 ulan ee ualberta ca \( dale ulan \) writes kuusama kaarne cs tut fi \( kuusama juha , , , vtt , \) writes question anything important , still curious almost printed circuit boards green \? seen blue ones , red , yellow , company logo etc technical reason could marketing geniuses tought \( yet \) \? 's possible make boards colors , ad laser light show equipment offers circuit boards choice day \( tm \) colors usual light green color natural color dark green blue solder mask layer , suspect color dye john nagle
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization university toronto chemistry department lines 21 article 3xd cbfsb cb att com sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape easy sen biden say us troops zepa existing un policy may wrong , us wants dictate policy , make europe responsible consequences policy bosnia big enough problem us preach countries forces forces safely tucked away home us gerald
andrea unity ncsu edu \( andrea free \) subject men get yeast infections \? organization ncsu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 distribution na lines 21 steve pope \( spp zabriskie berkeley edu \) wrote woman told doctor told could catch , , yeast infection , give back , causing probably bogus , , 's another reason use latex steve n't bogus chronic vaginal yeast infections would go away cream 2 weeks 3 rounds antibiotics resistant sinus infection husband also sinus infection six months , went culture husband fluid 7 days quite bit yeast growth \( confirmed lab \) round cleared us andrea
sasswb unx sas com \( scott bass \) subject creating batch file windows nt nntp posting host k2 unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 69 sasswb k2 sasswb unx sas com \( scott bass \) writes 1 windows nt , alternative , fairly useless dos batch programming language \? os 2 , ibm introduced language alternative bat surely windows nt thing , right \? 2 , way escape cr lf bat file continue single command across multiple lines \? application exits system batch file batch file created fly site specific code stored within application currently designed , line length stored code output file \( bat file \) 80 characters , enough options must specified particular command would help tremendously n't redesign code kludge around lack true batch shell programming language rest deleted followup post let add i'm really windows windows nt user , please excuse ignorance however , i'm developer sas institute , one component application support ability submit \( sas \) batch job within interactive sas session user site enter site specific batch profile within product , specifying pathname sas executable , specifying site specific sas options , etc run time certain variables resolved , resolved file written external ascii file exit operating system run job , returning interactive session soon job submitted batch job runs concurrently interactive session currently designed , internal record length 80 characters , run batch job , command sas batch mode requires 80 characters til nt problem , since every job control shell language til nt \( eg mvs cms vms unix os2 \) way escape cr lf enter single command across multiple lines \( os 2 via language , standard os 2 \) gist , since application end users , within company , try develop process using native nt since first posting 've learned several third party companies provide alternative script languages windows windows nt i'm sure company licenses product would use alternative script language , ca n't develop assumption anything comes nt saw another post list \( subject something like vi available windows \? \) someone said vi , make , awk , ksh available microsoft toolkit product \? separate product part windows \? ksh would need could count nt sites one last question 've heard nt remote processing capabilities , e could shove batch job server machine run native nt commands rather network specific commands , would also help improve process comment commands , would appreciate thanks help , scott bass sas institute inc integrated systems , , sas campus drive , cary , nc 27513 sasswb k2 unx sas com \( 919 \) 677
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject biological alchemy organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 103 important info humbly suggested robert 's fans redirect followups alt fan robert mcelwaine , least consider biological alchemy \( another form cold fusion \) \( alternative heavy element creation universe \) simple experiment demonstrate \( prove \) fact biological transmutations \( reactions like mg ca , si c ca , k h ca , n2 co , etc \) , described book biological transmutations louis , 1972 edition best , chapter 17 book secret life plants peter christopher bird , 1973 \( 1 \) obtain good sample plant seeds , kind kinds might work better others \( 2 \) divide sample two groups equal weight number \( 3 \) sprout one group distilled water filter paper three four weeks \( 4 \) separately incinerate groups \( 5 \) weigh residue group residue sprouted group usually weigh least several percent group \( 6 \) analyze residue group mineral content mineral atoms sprouted group heavier mineral elements fusing atoms oxygen , hydrogen , carbon , nitrogen , etc biological transmutations occur routinely , even bodies ingesting source organic silicon \( silicon carbon , extract , \) speed healing broken bones via reaction si c ca , \( much faster merely ingesting calcium directly \) mineral deposits ground formed micro organisms fusing together atoms silicon , carbon , nitrogen , oxygen , hydrogen , etc two reactions si c ca , micro organisms , cause stone sickness statues , building bricks , etc reaction n2 co , hot iron , creates carbon monoxide poison hazard welder operators people near woodstoves \( even properly sealed ones \) bacteria even neutralize radioactivity ! things happen , spite currently accepted laws physics , \( including law says atomic fusion requires extremely high temperatures pressures \) biological transmutations , applications chemistry , physics , biology , ecology , medicine , nutrition , , geology , 1st edition , c louis , active member new york academy science , 1972 , 163 pages , illustrated , swan house publishing co , p box 638 , binghamton , ny secret life plants , peter christopher bird , 1973 , 402 pages , harper row , new york chapters 19 20 entire book fascinating ! information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( two books \) un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics astronomy , uw ec
bense oasys dt navy mil \( ron bense \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization dis claim mine lines 16 article 1993apr24 ns1 cc lehigh edu amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( alois himsl \) writes article 1993apr15 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov , nancy hayduke \( nancy feagans \) writes ashtrays cigarette lighters option forget cigarette lighter plug essential plugging radar detectors lights ashtrays also essential great places keep change tokens would n't rather type standard electrical plug instead fire hazard waiting happen adaptor \? know would , would also prefer placed cup holders instead ashtray \( car came coin holders already built \) ron
spyder crd ge com \( skip montanaro \) subject drawing networks , graphs \? reply spyder crd ge com 's message mon , 17 may 1993 13 43 38 gmt nntp posting host spyder crd ge com reply montanaro crd ge com \( skip montanaro \) organization ge corporate research development , schenectady , ny spyder crd ge com lines 27 article 1993may17 eua ericsson se eua ericsson se \( eriksson \) writes widgets , function drawing networks , graphs etc \? \( tree views \) freeware , shareware , comercial like , instance pretty picture deleted giving associations nodes automatic layout generation would nice node symbols could used maybe even insert widgets nodes using different line styles etc describing associations check xmgraph library following location ecn uiowa edu comp hp gui classic xmgraph tar z skip \( montanaro crd ge com \)
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject cults , waco insanity originator rja mahogany126 lines 35 nntp posting host mahogany126 organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! article apollo hp com , nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes article srgenprp sr hp com sr hp com \( patrick kearney \) writes ask question tradition , one highly regarded many people , several hundred jews elected throw cliff masada rather submit roman rule circumstances masada waco would seem general terms quite similar , yet far i'm aware nobody seriously suggested jews insane already pointed , jews faced totally different fate hand romans koresh hand feds jewish men would likely crucified , women children sold slavery one well argue koresh may thought similar fate awaited , scant rational basis fear , insane seems describe belief penalty convicted murdering 4 federal agents texas \? death penalty none excuses reckless action feds , allegedly believing dealing nut , exercise much restraint indeed , given stated goals saving children , one might also apply moniker insane actions yup russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject diamond products boycot \? reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 22 fri , 23 apr 1993 07 01 17 gmt markfried fellensiek \( ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \) wrote 're considering buying system , view using run unix \( linux , bsd , etc \) special software , good chance work diamond cards due diamond 's propriety attitude 's hardware 's impossible get free information chips \( specifically dot clocks \) without paying , signing non disclosure agreements made impossible free software foundation provide x windows compatibility cards , diamond n't want divulge programming considering , postings diamond 's bad attitute customers , ordered vlb 2m card days penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
robert isgtec com \( robert osborne \) subject waco distribution na lines 77 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 cross posted talk politics guns politics mark g \( mark ampr org \) wrote cmk world std com \( charles kozierok \) writes waco , texas lately \? yes , government takes care us , n't \? long belong government sanctioned religion excuse , n't gun cult members threaten , shoot kill people \? threatened one neighbours thought little strange kind people would want live next door one version batf serving search warrant jumping horse trailer guns tossing concussion grenades true order events 'cult' could know search warrant served since proof guys police , 'cult' every right defend shows tactics , convinces realy belong society watch actual footage fire start finish clear fire n't started tanks people survived claiming fire started tanks knocking kerosene lanterns fbi claiming 'cult' started fire 'they realy belong catchy phrase i'm personally waiting see texas rangers say pass judgment n't interesting facts waco incident 1 \) original assault conducted batf officers wearing assorted types saw , cnn , least three different types would hard pressed identify bunch guys battle uniformed officers law even claiming police 2 \) batf lying beginning handguns original footage showed 4 batf officers roof top getting shot , one mp 5 assault sub machine gun gunned sub machine guns shotguns best quarters weapon , ca n't gunned best guns available job n't know guns would shoot doors ! one best , guns wo n't shoot household door , house wall matter since officers bureau alcohol , tobacco , firearms know , either lying incredibly incompetent mention criminally negligent shooting bullets think stop encounter plywood search warrant actually , arrest warrant , wait , yeah , 's ticket oh , 're child molesters make drugs mention think rocket launchers story batf fbi changed daily claims getting increasingly outrageous 3 \) throughout siege fbi batf claiming one biggest concerns koresh followers would mass suicide claiming 's surprised huh \? think anything fbi batf say taken grain two salt rob robert osborne ! uunet ca ! isgtec ! robert robert isgtec com
cyberman toz buffalo ny us \( cyberman \) subject need help finding parts ! lines 4 x maildoor waflinemail 1 00r ok posted b4 blue wave qwk v2 12
eurom rhein main de \( \) subject preventing user hitting ctrl alt exit x content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 lines 14 content transfer encoding 8bit organization free software association germany x newsreader version 0 1 hi , hello , admin rs 6000 running aix 3 2 , x11r5 , motif , want prevent user hitting alt exit x try usr lib x11 xconfig cu free software association germany great software free software phone data
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject waco investigation paranoia organization temple university lines 9 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 people please stop 'i think know batf fbi completely responsible 'll cover investigation show koresch responsible' bs investigation size feds , state , civilians involved investigation would impossible cover republicans like arlen spector calling investigations , n't going handled kid gloves richard
dc \( len ramirez \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host 147 145 69 20 reply dc organization lsi logic corporation lines 2 good
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject single launch space station organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted jsc nasa gov nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 26 andy cohen cohen ssdgwy mdc com writes single launch core station concept shuttle external tank solid rocket boosters would used launch station orbit shuttle main engines would mounted tail station module launch jettisoned et separation karl \( mcimail com \) replied jettison \? hold shuttle bring use spares \? one performance reason comes mind jettison ssme 's , n't drag perform burn \( \) orbit , ssme 's dead weight , since n't ssme h2 o2 mechanism works zero g means ca n't use boost anything else dead weight couple advantages , disadvantages throw away ssme 's might let us use old ssme 's quite man doubt 'd cost launch failure high ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 development space station inevitable rising sun von braun
colinm max carleton ca \( colin mcfadyen \) subject x11r5 support 386i gx \? \? organization carleton university lines 9 x11r5 support graphics accelerator board sun 386i \? \? \? \? thanks advance colin
yatrou telecom ca \( paul yatrou \) subject stewart homered wings ! ! organization bell northern research montreal , canada lines 25 andy bgsu edu m248 100 bgsu edu andy bgsu edu \( ryan \) writes paul stewart called single worst game 've seen year 's major obvious , n't dispute however , chaisson 's penalty n't even penalty , let alone major game misconduct n't notice refs linesmen playoffs come around , yes agree stewart called two worst games 've seen far \( mtl quebec game 1 , last nights toronto detroit game \) 's scoop guy \? latest incarnation kerry fraser \? \? \? stubborn n't make good ref ! ! ! making right call votes best ref van hellemond improved worst paul stewart \( oops , n't really want start best worst ref thread n't follow \) paul yatrou
weber ucsd edu \( anthony v dean \) subject organization university california san diego lines 8 distribution usa nntp posting host weber ucsd edu hi 'd like substitute exciting win3 1 opening logo company logo boot time matter replacing logo file logo \? format company logo \? thanks
mksol dseg ti com \( michael \) subject chromium weight loss nntp posting host localhost organization texas instruments lines 101 article uicvm uic edu , uicvm uic edu writes data show chromium effective promoting weight loss studies done using chromium flawed biased \( investigators making money marketing \) theoretically really doesnt make sense either claim chromium increase muscle mass decrease fat course , chromium also used cure diabetes , high blood pressure increase muscle mass athletes \( well steroids \) sounds like snake oil 1990 's \) references \? unable find studies state chromium cures reduce amount insulin take high blood pressure never heard claim steroids also never heard claim sounds like making things stretching truth god knows reason somebody piss one time \? hand , really cant hurt anywhere wallet , place bo effects anything pretty dramatic agree chromium picolinate n't likely make fat person thin decisive component overall strategy long term weight control make important contribution good health important exercise \( 11 , 12 \) also avoid fat calories \( 9 , 10 \) chromium picolinate shown reduce fat increase lean muscle \( 1 , 2 , 3 \) bore statistics would n't believe anyway chromium picolinate exceptionally source essential mineral chromium chromium plays vital role body 's tissues hormone insulin weight gain form fat tends impair sensitivity insulin thus , turn , makes harder lose weight \( 4 \) insulin directly protein synthesis protein breakdown muscles \( 5 , 6 \) protein effect insulin tends decline low diets insulin levels decline , results loss muscle organ tissue muscle insulin , chromium picolinate helps preserve muscle burn fat less muscle preservation lean body mass important long term positive effect metabolic rate , helping keep fat 've lost chromium picolinate promotes efficient metabolism aiding \( heat producing \) effects insulin insulin levels serve rough index availability food calories , 's surprising insulin metabolism \( 4 , 7 , 8 \) note say chromium picolinate increases metabolism summary , need change life style order loose weight stay healthy reduce dietary fat consumption 20 calories eating fat makes fat b increase dietary fiber low calories high nutrients c get regular exercise least 3 times week burn calories take chromium picolinate daily lose fat keep muscle references 1 gr , fisher ja , k abstract , american aging association , 21st annual meeting , denver , october 1991 2 evans , gw int j med res 1989 11 163 180 3 page tg , ward tl , southern j animal sci 69 , 1 abstract 403 , 1991 4 p clin physiol 1984 4 267 273 5 kimball sr , jefferson ls diabetes rev 4 773 , 1988 6 nk , kl , jw et al j clin invest 76 , 1985 7 , p biol chem 256 , 1981 8 cs , ak , chambers jb , jr , ray gy metabolism 28 333 , 1979 9 danforth e , jr j clin nutr 41 1132 , 1985 10 mf med 20 183 , 1986 11 r , , e j clin nutr 42 69 , 1985 12 young jc , jl , tw , hp , nb metabolism 35 1048 , 1986 best regards , michael mav dseg ti com
dave tygra michigan com \( david conrad \) subject cryptography bibliography organization cat talk conferencing system summary bibliography available request lines 16 yesterday read article someone requesting references introductory texts cryptography although marked article return , appears expired site anyway , one previous occasions subject arose saved couple articles made suggestions one articles contained quite impressive bibliography poster request \( anyone else \) would like email , would glad send copies recommendations , including bibliography david r conrad mind rent god government cat talk conferencing network , computer conferencing file archive 1 313 882 , 300bps , v 32 v 32bis new users use 'new' login id available via pc pursuit ! ! ! \( city code \) e mail address dave michigan com
lilak peaks enet dec com \( rod lilak \) subject anybody permitted 50 bmg rifle \? lines 55 reply lilak dec com organization digital equipment corporation engineering article 93111 cunyvm bitnet , cunyvm bitnet writes path nntpd2 cxo dec com ! pa dec com ! decwrl ! ames ! primate wisc edu ! zaphod mps ohio state edu ! howland reston ans net ! usenet ins cwru edu ! news ysu edu ! psuvm ! cunyvm ! organization city university new york date wednesday , 21 apr 1993 14 17 47 edt cunyvm bitnet message id 93111 cunyvm bitnet newsgroups talk politics guns subject anybody permitted 50 bmg rifle \? lines 26 moment , forget batf incompetence fbi hubris anybody catch rep charles news last night holding 50 bmg cartridge asking anybody allowed one \( presume meant rifle cartridge get buck \) 's guess upcoming anti gun agenda 1 ban heavy caliber rifles \( read 50 bmg \) 2 ban sniper rifles 3 ban stockpiling guns ammunition btw perhaps misinformed congressman seen news wonder finds floor morning michael f gordon cunyvm cuny edu vote shot \( 19th cent republican campaign slogan \) mis informed , knows full well look votes , positions agent redistribution wealth property country , guns personal freedom incompatible obvious world view threat would impose r vs individualism ancient conflict men come close truth , destroyed time one civilization fell another civilization progress toward society privacy savage 's whole existence public , ruled laws tribe civilization process setting man free men ayn rand 's speech ' n't speak company hire
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject vandalizing sky organization university illinois urbana lines 40 rbunge access digex net \( robert bunge \) writes article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes i'm wondering vandalize proper word use situation dictionary defines vandalism willful malicious public private property , especially anything beautiful would agree sky beautiful , public private property 's public belongs everybody , sky , time , belong anyone ownership necessary definition someone authority decide action good bad neither brick wall , ca n't unilaterally declare name right , n't authority declare wrong owner may find artistic may call police \( applies argument bright satellites street lights \) 's vandalism many people power companies maliciously waste light maliciously implies evil intent lighting companies n't going way spoil sky n't care sell city state unshielded light wastes 30 50 percent light , make money never mind money wasted responsibility customer choose efficient hardware 's city buy , 's lighting company sell write letter city hall please note i'm defending light pollution focus thread space based light sources josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
trsvax tandy com subject ir detector 'cards' \? \? \? nf id r monu6 cc monash edu au trsvax 000 238 nf trsvax tandy com ! apr 23 10 55 00 1993 lines 10 radio shack stores sell states sure carrying australia cost 6 usd charge fluorescent , glow exposed ir paul radio shack publications
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject questions janet reno organization acme products lines 32 questions janet reno n't think generals place law enforcement \? atf fbi proof koresh child molester child abuser wife abuser sexual deviant \( crime 50 states , yet \) well illegally modify weapons n't simply arrested one morning \? allegations child wife sex crimes come branch davidians repelled initial assualt \? became necessary david koresh \? feel responsible deaths 80 people \? many would alive day koresh arrested outside compound \? inquiring minds want know although janet installed siege began , purge justice dept leaves people charge brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
schmidt auvax1 adelphi edu subject subliminal message flashing tv lines 58 nntp posting host auvax1 organization adelphi university , garden city ny distribution usa article dse netcom com , nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes lihan ccwf cc utexas edu \( bruce g bostwick \) writes well , yes image ca n't screen less 1 30 second , mixture images 's 90 field supposed 10 addition could overlaid one field , producing overall effect sluggish discrete image projected 1 300 second 1950s idea supposedly , splicing frame buy popcorn upped popcorn sales movie theatre big flap time congress involved talk making illegal general agreement networks talk fcc rules 73 subliminal perception \( \) see public notice , fcc 74 78 , dated january 24 , 1974 , 44 fcc 2d , 1016 39 fr , january 29 , 1974 \( b \) see fcc information bulletin , subliminal projection \( sic , least rules service copy rules \) , dated november 1977 since n't either old copies federal register information bulletin around , ca n't tell ca n't tv \( radio \) seem remember hot subject late '70s practically speaking , dont much trouble seeing one frame mtv , badly scratched torn single frames films , 's contrast single frame surrounding material significant never believed one frame type sp real hand , coca cola brand \( insert desired name \) beer cans conveniently placed brand name visible movie watched , 's another story , tv station network paid beer company privilege , promotional consideration paid \) similar message included program tv station bought movie already edited way film company n't get payment brand visibility film company got , n't run message years ago , junior person advertising agency invented subliminal projection one commercial went tape single frame messages aired stations , tech one station , previewing tape , noticed flicker looked tape frame frame find defect big flap fcc notified commercial pulled press reports embarassed ad agency could probably find press reports via dialog wanted everybody vcrs , 's likely anybody could get away tv john nagle john h schmidt , p e internet schmidt auvax1 adelphi edu technical director , phone days \( 212 \) 456 adelphi university evenings \( 516 \) 877 6400 garden city , new york fax \( 212 \) 456
joe advtech uswest com \( joe thielen \) subject help 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission organization u west advanced technologies lines 51 nntp posting host advtech uswest com article phakt usc edu usc edu \( total stranger \) writes hi , need help problem 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission car 5 speed manual since car bought new , shifting 2nd 3rd , unless slowly carefully , makes popping hitting sound dealer mitsubishi customer service \( reached 800 \) say normal car \? year ago , , stick shift handle got stuck attempting put reverse 1 shifter would budge clutch effect 2 front tires would budge , even clutch fully depressed 3 clutch released engine would die 4 assuming gear engaged shifter stuck , could make car move acted neutral \( except dying clutch released \) 5 finally able release shifter someone rock car back forth \( less inch \) , depressed clutch shifter 6 shifter acted normally happened , took dealer , checked clutch , k checked transmission , k exact problem couple months ago , last week dealer says nothing mitsubishi \( 800 \) says never heard problem , dealer could reproduce problem car three occurances , car parked head first garage , since front wheels stuck , car could towed dealer releasing shifter \( hence temporarily solving problem \) dealer , mitsubishi , refused send someone check car stuck know wrong transmission \( shifting 2nd 3rd \) , getting stuck random , ca n't get dealer fix need help mechanical problems , handle mitsubishi hints suggestions greatly appreciated , sorry bore long post thanks , try another dealer sometimes sophistication equipment etc better one dealer another may also find another dealer willing help problem joe
loria fr \( julian \) subject x11r5 solbourne organization crin inria lorraine lines 14 hi netters , inherited solbourne \( 4000 sun 4 compatible \) , wondering somebody ported x11r5 beast since computer inc folded n't know get kernel move r4 since never joined mit consortium , regular distribution n't work pointers highly appreciated julian \) \( \( \( \( \( \( julian loria loria fr
jordan mcauley com \( jordan mcauley \) subject vhs movies must sell moving distribution world organization ed hopper 's bbs berkeley lake , ga 404 446 9462 reply jordan mcauley com \( jordan mcauley \) lines 46 dk subject vhs movies must sell moving n dk koutd hiramb hiram edu n dk newsgroups misc forsale , rec video dk subject vhs movies must sell moving dk message id 1993apr22 1 hiramb hiram edu dk koutd hiramb hiram edu \( douglas kou \) dk date 22 apr 93 09 57 36 0500 dk organization hiram college dk vhs movies sold moving 6 weeks dk idea happend people made dk deal , trying post another message , dk \( n't mean waste valuable time \) dk basic instinct 11 00 dk born forth july 11 00 dk backdraft 11 00 dk presumed innocent 11 00 dk prince tides 11 00 dk dance wolves 11 00 dk prices including shipping get dk 60 00 dk package deals welcome dk make offer dk douglas kou dk hiram college dk koutd hirama hiram edu douglas , hi , 'd like purchase basic instinct 11 notes returned n't know keeps saying address unknown please let know movie still available thank jordan mcauley atlanta info gw com slmr 2 0 ed hopper 's bbs com berkeley lake \( atlanta \) , georgia usr hst 404 446 9462 v 32bis 404 446 home uupcb usenet pc board
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject paint jobs uk distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 25 article mjs zen sys uea ac uk mjs sys uea ac uk writes lisa alex com \( lisa rowlands \) writes anyone recommend good place reasonably priced bike paint jobs , preferably essentially london area thanks lisa rowlands try dream machine , 've seen examples work looks pretty good 're though say expensive \? tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) subject borderline ! nntp posting host cunixf cc columbia edu reply rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) organization columbia university lines 18 article 1993apr21 sue cc uregina ca franks hercules cs uregina ca \( derek franks \) writes wondering anyone net knows 1993 wing ding \? , would please e mail post info \? 've never one free time summer considering attending anyone else \? first post , dod '82 \( 2nd one \) getting close ! rob castro email rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu live today 1983 kz550ltd phone \( 212 \) 854 7617 today live ! dod nyc 1 new york , new york , usa rc \( tm \)
sunnyt coding bchs uh edu subject upgrading mac plus se use superdrive organization university houston lines 25 reply ln63sdm sdcc4 ucsd edu nntp posting host franklin bchs uh edu article apr 22 15 59 38 1993 andromeda rutgers edu murray andromeda rutgers edu \( murray \) writes hello , lab old macs \( ses pluses \) n't enough money buy new machines , considering buying superdrives old macs allow folks high density disks use equipment wondering experiences \( good bad \) people sort upgrade murray murray andromeda rutgers edu , n't shell couple dollars get floptical read high density disks \( 1 4 mb \) well flopticals \( 21 mb \) price flopticals right range 300 's 400 's sunny
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject braves update ! ! organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 49 odin corp sgi com luigi sgi com \( randy palermo \) writes article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes gant turned away , hirschbeck immediately motioned gant step box imo , point time , hirschbeck determined show gant exactly charge game gant n't dawdling n't chance hirschbeck simply exercising power play gant resisted , many us might thought unreasonable request , hirschbeck called pitch point , cox came field , pitch thrown , many braves left dugout cox tossed protecting player pleasantly surprised gant kept cool enough stay game see game saw \? gant , reasonable , argued horrible call hirschbeck , correctly , nothing gant proceeded walk halfway 3rd base , lean bat glare hirschbeck n't subscribe theory showing people , obvious attempt gant hirschbeck left hirschbeck choice take control situation bottom line gant started dangerous power struggle hirschbeck team needed lost events saw 1 \) called strike hirschbeck 2 \) shocked looking gant asks appeal first 3 \) appeal first 4 \) gant steps batters box 5 \) hirschbeck immediately orders gant back bad move 6 \) gant ignores hirschbeck walks bad move 7 \) hirschbeck gant gant silent 8 \) hirschbeck calls pitch 9 \) pitch called strike 10 \) cox argues \( could n't see came field \) 11 \) cox ejected , players everywhere 12 \) play finally resumes gant n't ignored hirschbeck returning made strike call fairly likely although suspect argument might gotten gant tossed altogether hirschbeck let gant step , whole incident probably would avoided dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
matt ksu ksu edu \( brett watson \) subject sound board buy \? organization kansas state university lines 28 distribution usa nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu well , 've come money want buy cd rom , sound board speakers kept material relating sound boards cd rom 's never thought 'd enough money guru 's point direction good package including cd rom , sound , speakers \( software suppose \) since n't really need cd rom right give good ideas sound boards speakers could really use looked soundblaster pro , costs much think want spend board \( 120 \) , 've looked sound board , 140 n't know adv either boards right want use games support sound , use windows 3 1 utilize sound capabilities concise info sound boards , complete multimedia packages , etc would greatly appreciated anyone else interested info would glad summarize responses post type faq please point right direction n't bother taking lot bandwidth thanks ! brett brett watson , database system administrator kansas supreme court , ks
gopher cc ucf edu \( ian nelson r ibm consultant \) subject old schematics organization university central florida bunch o' consultants lines 6 wonder anyone would know \( \) could find schematic old \( sp \) computer even pin expansion bus \? \? thanks advance ian nelson \( ucf1vm cc ucf edu \)
thewho athena mit edu \( derek fong \) subject 14 rgb owners kind power cable came monitor \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 30 nntp posting host alfredo mit edu 's scoop past two years , using se 30 sony 1304s video card past month , bought quadra 800 using sony se 30 shipped home father planning getting apple 14 monitor \( trinitron one \) question kind power cord get apple monitor come two types \? recall , one hook power cord apple monitor back machine quadra 800 however , father 's se 30 , extra plug allows use se 30 's power supply needs plug socket separately monitor come cable allow \? buy different cable \? yes , purchase cable \? apple kind enough provide types cables \? thanks advance , derek derek fong email thewho plume mit edu dept physical oceanography thewho darla edu bldg 54 clark laboratory 317 massachusetts institute technology woods hole oceanographic institution cambridge , 02139 woods hole , \( 617 \) 253 2922 \( 508 \) 457 2000
ivory crd ge com \( john ivory \) subject make rle file nntp posting host 144 219 40 1 organization tower concepts lines 11 i'm told replace colorful windows logo appears windows invokes graphic choosing image must format 've got gif 's , pic 's , jpg 's , tif 's , etc everything rle 's ! 's best route converting things \? program download , \? anybody else done , steps available \? thanks e mail ivory syr ge com ivory tower com would prefered
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pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject christians law \? clarification pe organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' 1993apr21 1206 ualr edu lines 125 article 1993apr21 1206 ualr edu nunnally acs harding edu \( john nunnally \) writes going hear christian answer question \? paraphrase whose authority christians proclaim law prophets \( 7 major 12 minor \) accountable ten commandments jesus clearly spoke opinion matthew 5 14 19 \? source pseudo doctrine \? pseudo teacher \? great deceiver \? ok , 's least one christian 's answer jesus jew , christian context matthew 5 14 19 makes sense matt 5 17 think jesus came abolish law prophets come abolish , fulfill jesus lived jewish law however , promises prophets came fulfill prophecies fully obey god 's purposes verse 18 says truly say , heaven earth pass away , smallest letter stroke shall pass away law , accomplished key verse imho last phrase jesus , fulfillment law , accomplished law supposed accomplish jesus say fulfillment law , , unless i'm mistaken , heaven earth yet passed away mistaken \? , even assuming one gloss portion word jesus , really think accomplished \? verse 19 whoever annuls one least commandments , teaches others , shall called least kingdom heaven whoever keeps teaches , shall called great kingdom heaven taken context jesus teaching jewish people living lives law , makes sense n't jesus say jew annuls v 19 \? saying jesus' recorded words mean nothing gentiles \? really saying jesus spoke jews \? jesus n't mention name , mean n't speaking \? read words jesus , think speaking someone \? general , appears jesus responding criticism must received away law jesus' intent said jesus fulfillment law saying mean away law \? come earth live law lived fulfill promises made god people way back eve gen 3 15 serpent bruise heel , bruise head 15 \( jps \) put enmity woman , offspring shall strike head , shall strike heel 15 \( nrsv \) put enmity woman , offspring strike head , strike heel 15 \( kjv \) put enmity thee woman , thy seed seed shall bruise thy head , thou shalt bruise heel looks like translation taken liberties word \? jesus appeared away law honor traditions men equal law god regularly locked horns religious leaders day would conform rules , god 's law matthew passage jesus defending dedication law defending almost entire sermon mount \( matt 5 7 \) dedicated helping jewish people understand true intent law , sweeping away clutter introduced traditions helping jewish people \? galatians 3 23 26 , paul describes relationship jesus law way 23 faith came , kept custody law , shut faith later revealed 24 therefore law become tutor lead us christ , may justified faith 25 faith come , longer tutor 26 sons god faith christ jesus believe says christ revealed , law served 's purpose , e tutor lead us christ , , longer tutor law fulfilled christ said would using interpretation paul argument clear words jesus \? god , author old law , christ man , jesus , personality therefore , old law new testament \( last testament jesus \) based moral principles makes sense many principles old law expressed christianity expressed \? care define bit better \? hand , law fulfilled 's purpose \? heaven earth gone away \? go \? accomplished , example revelations \? explain please christians relate god christ , law , also makes sense new practices new established represent mysteries new relationship e baptism representing christ 's death , burial , resurrection \( rom 6 3 8 \) , lord 's supper memorial sacrifice \( cor 11 26 \) , sunday day worship resurrection \( matt 28 , acts 20 7 \) , interpretation paul versus clear word jesus see problems \? heaven earth go away \? accomplished \? ok , 's one christian 's explanation n't claim issues completely settled even mind welcome christians offer alternatives please excuse long posting thanks interest read far
bglenden colobus cv nrao edu \( brian glendenning \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization national radio astronomy observatory lines 7 reply sherman lea csc ncsu edu 's message thu , 29 apr 1993 07 29 39 gmt alas , stop using brian brian glendenning national radio astronomy observatory bglenden nrao edu charlottesville va \( 804 \) 296
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject universe black holes , 2000 years organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing lines 28 article 1993apr22 iastate edu , kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) wrote article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes well , suppose probe emitting radiation constant frequency sent towards black hole got closer event horizon , red shift would keep increasing period would get longer longer , would never stop observer would observe probe actually reaching event horizon detected energy probe would keep decreasing , would n't vanish exp \( \) never quite reaches zero 's kind meant precise , given observer , single position outside event horizon , would observer ever way , able detect probe crossed event horizon \? yes , unless observer rest respect singularity infinite distance away observer close approach bh see particle go finite time peter n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
matt riddle matthew riddle science unimelb edu au subject sony dat retrospect 1 problems x xxmessage id science unimelb edu au x xxdate thu , 22 apr 93 03 27 46 gmt organization university melbourne x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 51 hi , i'm problems tying get sony dat drive work i'm using retrospect 1 , luck getting drive work mac iici , unfortunately gone another department ideally , want attach quadra 950 setup ca n't seem get retrospect software recognize media devices dialog , see dat device , comes , firstly , , secondly immediately happen mac iici setup , simply says i'm hoping someone else similar problems found solution know others problems dat devices quadra , mac iici use ! symptoms system software 7 1 , also n't work 7 0 1 tried following turn extensions , except retrospect scsi \( required \) tested variety machines quadra , iisi , lc \( least \) connected scsi devices tested varieties scsi termination etc replaced dat unit new one \( yes ! got desperate ! \) read retrospect manual \( even desperate \) \) replies via email would greatly appreciated thanks advance 'll post solutions group cheers , matt matthew riddle matthew ariel unimelb edu au science multimedia teaching unit tel 61 3 344 6400 faculty science fax 61 3 344 university melbourne australia opinions !
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rbunge access digex net \( robert bunge \) subject vandalizing sky organization express access online communications service , greenbelt , maryland usa lines 44 nntp posting host access digex net article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes rbunge access digex net \( robert bunge \) writes 's vandalism many people power companies maliciously waste light maliciously implies evil intent lighting companies n't going way spoil sky n't care sell city state unshielded light wastes 30 50 percent light , make money never mind money wasted responsibility customer choose efficient hardware 's city buy , 's lighting company sell write letter city hall 's fine idea , works lighting power company even bothers supply good light fixtures instance , power company virginia recently asked state commission permission sell lights various type yet , different fixture sold wanted sell bad designs one wasted light thus , could n't even buy good light places , get good light , either order special high cost call store arizona point , society starts make rules cars pass safety tests companies meet pollution standards , etc two ways achieve educate public demand good lighting force code lighting companies backs history seems suggest latter likely work please note i'm defending light pollution focus thread space based light sources agreed , wo n't respond 's important realize people object various wild ideas presented like congress , would best consult astronomers lovers night sky try pr stunt boost public knowledge space josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal bob bunge rbunge access digex com
dcs warwick ac uk \( kate kingman \) subject lcd vga display nntp posting host shuffle organization department computer science , warwick university , england lines 24 article vcd hp com edmoore vcd hp com \( ed moore \) writes 've computer 21 months reasonable life cycle lcd display \? toshiba lcd \( cga , 1986 \) died 11 months replaced 12 month warranty , fortunately died , died instantly completely worked support company problems several toshiba 1600 's short space time around 2 years old screens went completely \( \) , others happened 5 6 , maybe 100 fairly reliable n't think special problem 's \( link company \) would think 21 months may unreasonable unlucky ! regards , kate \) kate kingman dcs warwick ac uk leave typos tall blonde csv warwick ac uk occupy bored \) \) people \)
morris jay cs yale edu \( jay morris \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians lines 58 nntp posting host zoo gw cs yale edu organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 article 1993may12 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes article 3xd cbfsb cb att com sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape easy sen biden say us troops zepa true existing un policy may wrong , us wants dictate policy , make europe responsible consequences policy merit entirely true bosnia big enough problem us preach countries forces forces safely tucked away home us gerald last statement true according cbo united states force 88 , 000 us army personel europe , know includes division norway available little 500 usaf attack aircraft , including various models f 111 , 10 , f b , f 4s 1 , 000 available , safely tucked away home one time , us maintained 1500 half relocated persian gulf know us least one aircraft carrier battle group nearby probably marine assault brigade anyone know b 52 b england \? point , although us ground troops bosnia , true american forces safely camped outside st louis also understand administration planning position troops macedonia reaction \? question day yesterday heard serbia montenegro imposed additional trade sanctions bosnian serb rebels morning npr reported bridge \( sp \? \) verified bread truck allowed pass bosnia serbian happened muslim , stated months ago vehicle even slowed station everyone stopped searched , many turned back course heard translators version , speak serbo croatian effort part serbia montenegro whatever reason push accepting v , good thing \? peace , jay morris
scotts ftcollinsco ncr com \( scott sherman \) subject radius 24x 800 keywords radius , graphics distribution world organization ncr microelectronics products division \( company \) lines 5 radius 24x accelerated graphics adaptor supports multiple resolutions allows fly changing resolution bit depth msrp 1999 , street price 1700 , price best offer 800 scott \( 303 \) 962
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject nicene creed \( major views trinity \) organization university south africa lines 23 article may 9 05 39 19 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes called creed athanasius , however , always western creed , always filioque orthodox said accept says , exception filioque , use course orthodox delete filioque nicene creed \( n't begin \) , certainly athanasian creed , beginning called athanasian creed never recognized standard faith orthodox church introduced \( without filioque \) certain service books 17th 18th centuries time strong western influence steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
ils nwu edu \( jason adam \) subject wanted sharp organization institute learning sciences lines 13 nntp posting host ils nwu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 im looking sharp scientific calculator model discontinued , know dealer may around , please reply jason word mean jason adam anything \? ils nwu edu northwestern university , vampire slayer institute learning sciences
ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) subject says apostles tortured \? organization louisiana tech university lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host engr latech edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 willingness true believers die belief , jesus jim jones , well documented , martyrdom says little say something depth belief religion deluded believers con men difference often far follow beliefs first hand , even second hand , knowledge original apostles died began myth hopes exploiting profit , followed myth death , would inconsistent real con men would bail obvious would lead discomfort , pain death story 1 kings regarding 450 prophets help debate one easily assume believed overwhelming elijah would forthcoming simply fool , would shown fire heaven swift seizure deaths equally swift
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject muslim women children massacred armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 85 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes come \? image conscious armenians sorely feel missing glory background armenians never achieved statehood independence , always subservient , engaged undermining schemes rulers committed genocide muslim populations eastern anatolia x soviet armenia world war fully participated extermination european jewry world war ii , genocide , back stabbing , hallmarks armenian history episodes armenians engaged history suit whims zeal tried cover cold blooded genocide 2 5 million turks kurds world war source documents volume \( 1919 \) document 50 , archive 4 , cabin 162 , drawer 5 , file , section 433 , contents 6 , 6 1 , 6 2 \( division command militia commander ismail \) note target armenians many independent times long beautiful history including independent ignorance hardly characteristic ' sarkis atamian explains book called 'the armenian community , new york 1955 , philosophical , according historians , original fatherland armenians , greece armenian invaders burned sacked fatherland urartus , massacred exterminated population presented world left urartus , armenian civilization reliable western historians describe armenians ruthlessly exterminated 2 5 million muslim women , children elderly people eastern anatolia collaborated enemies muslim people 1914 1920 unfortunately truth armenians known collaborators nazis world war ii , even today , criminal members asala sdpa arf terrorism triangle preach instigate racism , hatred , violence terrorism among peoples please tell earth armenians fully participated genocide jews wwii , heavy drugs \? says 'arromdians' damn good \? world war ii armenians carried away german might nazis zeal , armenian publication germany , hairenik , carried statements follows 1 sometimes difficult eradicate poisonous elements \( jews \) struck deep root like chronic disease , becomes necessary people \( nazis \) eradicate uncommon method , attempts regarded revolutionary surgical operation , flow blood natural thing brief view armenian genocide muslims jews extracts letter dated december 11 , 1983 , published san francisco chronicle , answer letter published journal signature one b amarian first hand information evidence armenian atrocities people \( jews \) members family witnessed murder 148 members family near erzurum , turkey , armenian neighbors , bent destroying anything anybody remotely jewish muslim armenians look history see havoc ancestors perpetrated upon neighbors armenians league hitler last war , premise grant government , return , armenians would help exterminate jews armenians also hearty proponents anti semitic acts league russian communists signed ben levi , , california 1 james g , , , ' 'armenian review , ' quarterly hairenik association , inc , summer june 1957 , vol x , 2 38 stick around serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) subject immaculate conception organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 27 article may 9 05 39 52 1993 athos rutgers edu jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) writes referring mary immaculately conceived , never subject original sin , also never committed personal sin whole life possible special degree grace granted god quite problem idea mary never committed sin mary fully human \? possible god miraculously make person free original sin , free committing sin whole life , purpose incarnation jesus \? ca n't god repeat miracle done mary make rest us sinless , without need repentance salvation \? n't particularly object idea assumption , perpetual virginity \( regard catholic dogma agree disagree catholic brothers sisters christ \) , even believe virgin birth jesus , concept mary 's sinlessness seems odds rest christian doctrine understand seanna watson bell northern research , pray end living , \( seanna bnr ca \) ottawa , ontario , canada philosophies creeds , god find people busy opinion , opinions \? oh opinions planting trees sowing seeds , 're bnr 's , 're mine knew 'd left somewhere fred kaan
kmelcher rafael arco com \( kenneth \) subject juan gonzalez hr title real \? reply kmelcher rafael arco com organization arco exploration production technology lines 8 come back ten years look careers juan gonzalez vs mark mcguire , tell us bogus one 's 1992 hr title 'd say , juan preparing hof acceptance speech voters saying mark \? ken typing real slow e mail kmelcher arco com know ca n't read fast
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 48 article schoinas cs wisc edu schoinas fox cs wisc edu \( yannis schoinas \) writes nationality recent invention western europe days ottoman empire , religion main point difference social classes ottomans n't recognize turks , arabs , greeks , serbs christians , muslims , jews pardon \? ignorance cramps conversation although administrative mechanism strictly centralized one , ottoman empire classical example social order ' system' mechanism shaped social order multi national ottoman empire stood behind continuity matter fact , islamic principles force ottoman empire , natural use religious criteria differentiate among various communities constituted empire system began based ethnicity 19th century influence nationalism sousa writes existence thirteen communities ottoman empire addition muslim 1914 \( 1 \) greeks attached orthodox patriarchate istanbul \( 2 \) catholics merchants \( 3 \) gregorian armenians attached patriarchate istanbul \( 4 \) catholic armenians \( 5 \) syrian catholics attached patriarchate \( 6 \) catholics attached patriarchate \( 7 \) syrian attached patriarchate \( 8 \) protestants \( 9 \) attached patriarchate damascus \( 10 \) hebrews two rites \( 11 \) bulgarian catholics attached bulgarian \( 12 \) \( 13 \) nestorians 1 scholars studied social structure outlined briefly , concluded social order ottoman empire fit framework theory ' 2 1 n sousa , regime turkey , history , origin nature , \( baltimore , 1933 \) 2 c , story middle east , \( new york , 1951 \) , p 162 h r h bowen , islamic society west study impact western civilization moslem culture near east , \( oxford , 1951 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
mozart columbiasc ncr com \( mark w rice \) subject review 1989 ford taurus sho nntp posting host mozart columbiasc ncr com organization ncr corp , columbia sc lines 17 article 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us \( david bonds \) writes gk occasionally , trouble shifting reverse shifter gk refuses enter gate , often grind synchros trying gk get gear 'll watching carefully next couple gk months enter 1st , wait 2 3 seconds go reverse use synchros , 'll never \( least n't \) ground em fit using technique like manual says put 3rd first , quickly go reverse waiting mark mark rice 803 791 mark rice columbiasc ncr com views
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject u government technolgy investment organization express access online communications usa lines 34 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr30 aio jsc nasa gov kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov writes 's interesting note best tools cost control available industry today derived government projects charts , cp , modern scheduling software comes dod projects contractors construction industry course , many government projects using , gant , c p process flow diagrams , level 5 software projects actually come schedule cost know gao determined 80 nasa projects miss budgets due failing adequately measure engineering developement costs , favor government r thought bell labs one best research n't think government pour money one sector , engage projects naturally push state art things like high tech construction projects , apollo worth running hte national labs ssc grossly overweight , reasonable project lower cost unfortunately support solo investigators neglected maybe , throw much process tell new ph , get 1 time grant 50 , 000 00 produce , qualify grants n't never get way young people get shot , older scientists n't dominate process pat
anwar mohammed cs cmu edu subject saudi clergy condemns debut human rights group ! organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 514 1993may16 cs wisc edu nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply 1993may16 cs wisc edu excerpts netnews talk politics mideast 16 may 93 saudi clergy condemns par \( \) whole saddam going invade saudi arabia nothing us state department propeganda saddam \( iraq general \) never recognised british created kuwait complete garbage kuwait faq number 1 \( maintained , compiled , rebut leftist drivel frequently posted wrt kuwait \) first note bogus arguments british drew maps deprive iraq oil follows chronology events kuwait 's history following chronology speech kuwaiti ambassador u n following article origins kuwait following series articles attest fact kuwait independent \( non existent \) iraq ottoman empire iraqi regime claims kuwait cut iraq british order deprive iraq oil 1913 1932 border treaties kuwait iraq represent clear testimonies allegation since oil discovered kuwait 1938 ! kuwait chronology bc 600 settled al hill area island 529 al bin al defeated al al kuwaiti area 300 greeks lived island two centuries 73 royal message stone view national museum kuwait ad 623 arabs defeated persians battle al area approximate date establishment kuwait town barrak amir tribe approximately al sabah family arrived kuwait approximate date election sabah bin jaber al sabah family first ruler kuwait 1760 first wall , 750 meters long , built around kuwait city abdulla bin sabah , second ruler kuwait , came power c , danish traveler , visited kuwait referred map '' kuwait attacked epidemic inhabitants died kuwaitis defeated tribe sea battle second wall kuwait , 2300 meters long , built al accident , many kuwaiti diving ships sunk , caused massive tidal wave india 1886 first kuwaiti currency minted copper reign sheikh abdulla al sabah ii 1899 kuwait signs treaty britain becomes \( see note \) 1911 december 22 al school , first formal school kuwait , opened 1920 third wall kuwait , 6400 meters long , built 1921 kuwait took first step toward democracy , formation council , last long 1922 total number kuwaiti pearl diving boats reached 800 , manned 10 , 000 divers 1922 first public library kuwait established 1926 historian abdul aziz al published first book kuwait 1928 kuwait 's first , magazine , '' published abdul aziz al 1930 kuwait municipality established 1930 decree issued prohibiting wearing soaring prices 1933 municipality installed lighting kuwait market 1934 december 7 heavy destroyed many kuwaiti houses therefore year called ``the destructive year , '' al '' 1938 february oil discovered 1938 first general elections , resulted first legislative council 1942 first bank kuwait opened 1945 ``kuwait established egypt look kuwaiti missions interests 1946 first kuwaiti crude oil shipment exported 1948 issued , first kuwaiti magazine printed published kuwait 1950 sheikh ahmed al jaber al sabah , ruled kuwait thirty years , died 1951 may 12 kuwait radio went air first time 1952 first ``kuwait drawn 1954 khalid al , man letters poet , died 1954 december , 11 ``kuwait al \( official gazette \) issued first time 1955 oil struck al , north kuwait 1957 kuwait wall demolished removed 1957 affairs conducted first population census 1958 december 1 first issue magazine published 1960 first kuwaiti woman employed kuwait oil company 1961 april 1 kuwaiti became official currency kuwait 1961 june 19 january 23 , 1899 , concluded kuwait great britain , terminated 1961 july 20 kuwait became member arab league 1961 december , 31 kuwait fund arab economic development established 1962 january 20 elected constituent assembly met draw constitution kuwait 1962 decree issued providing division country three 1962 november 11 amir kuwait , sheikh abdulla al salem al sabah ratified first constitution kuwait 1963 january first elected national assembly kuwait 1963 may 17 kuwait became member united nations organization 1963 august 7 great kuwaiti poet al died 1965 november 24 amir kuwait , sheikh abdulla al salem al sabah , passed away 1966 neutral zone partitioned kuwait saudi arabia 1966 november 27 kuwait university 1968 may 13 kuwait freed external obligations canceled agreement june 19 , 1961 1969 april 1 central bank kuwait established 1969 october 18 first communications satellite earth station kuwait 1973 july 6 kuwaiti pioneer sheikh bin eisa al died 1975 march government acquired full ownership kuwait oil company 1976 social security law , applicable kuwaiti nationals , issued 1976 future generations reserves law issued stipulates allocation 10 per state revenues future generations 1977 december 31 amir kuwait sheikh sabah al salem al sabah died 1981 may 25 kuwait signed articles association gulf cooperation council 1983 bridge , linking island mainland , opened traffic 1985 may 25 amir survived attempt life bomb laden car rammed arabian gulf street kuwait , facts figures , 1986 light september 29 1990 , national council us arab relations invited kuwaiti ambassador united states , saud nasser al sabah following quotes speech ``kuwait entity identified kuwait even iraq identified iraq ottoman empire kuwait existence since continued existence conflict ottoman empire british others area thereafter , signed british 1899 protective agreement whereby british guaranteed sovereignty security kuwait '' ``in 1913 , british ottoman signed agreement defining without doubt borders kuwait stand today agreement 1932 kuwaiti government iraqi government time iraq became state , kuwait '' ``in 1961 , declared independence iraq seized opportunity claim kuwait part iraq threats british came , arab forces came guarantee sovereignty territorial integrity kuwait 1963 , kuwait iraq signed border agreement , thereby defining territory iraq 's recognition sovereignty territory kuwait '' compiled origins kuwait establishment kuwait attributed barrak b khalid used kuwait summer residence beginning kuwait goes back late 17th century historians go kuwait 's name derived al means fortress kuwait also called , , horn hill kuwait town flourished grew since establishment , al sabah family branch , settled kuwait early 18th century lived protection khalid , became independent sabah bin jabir chosen first ruler carsten \( 1815 \) dutch explorer among first wrote arabia mathematician scientific expedition sent 1760 king denmark arabia documented details arab tribes gulf case kuwait , first writer give two names town known , kuwait 's chart persian gulf best one drawn end century , see map abu hakima , history eastern arabia 1750 1800 pub 1965 al sabah \( \) kept good relations powers eastern arabia according ahmed abu hakima 's conclusions well documented study history eastern arabia 1750 1800 , ottoman rule region ``in second half 18th century , ottoman ruler eastern arabia fact , ottoman rule even nominally acknowledged attempts restore lost position al campaign 1786 , ali pasha 's expedition , unsuccessful kuwait , nearest point domains ottoman basra , form ottoman control aim external policy keep friendly relations forces working gulf '' \( p 182 183 \) abu hakima continued conclusions ``kuwait dependency basra , persian occupation basra \( 79 \) affect kuwait '' \( p 183 \) kuwait identity ottoman domination arab world identity clear british french tried win support kuwait 's sheikh 95 british wanted support conflict french gulf area independent kuwait first series articles testify independence kuwait throughout history iraq ottomans following text related expedition carried ottomans eastern arabia \( oil fields saudi arabia \) kuwait ruler time , sheikh abdulla ibn sabah ibn jabir , allied turks role fighting minor one joined expedition commander large kuwaiti fleet first use guns besieged town al qatif bombardment kuwaiti fleet , al qatif obviously would surrendered mere three hours relation , question arises ottoman warships refrained participating bombardment answer lies reports relating political movements preceded accounts progress expedition ottomans unwilling jeopardize peace imposed britain area , sultan pasha promised warships would used war sheikh war zone kuwait , party mentioned treaty 1861 , obligation especially since expedition directed signed text , see kuwait part ottomans british colonies details mentioned expedition , please check source text modern history kuwait , 1750 1965 , ahmed abu hakima , mcgill university , canada independent kuwait 2 another article series articles testify independence kuwait throughout history iraq ottomans following text discusses dispute estate called zubair , iraq , sheikh kuwait al tribe zubair , trouble developed possession sheikh sabah estate purchased father , sheikh jabir , property turkish representative basis claim al vendor owner share n time , sheikh sabah required expel lands owned island persian territory recalled turkish officials start showed strong prejudice favor claimants abdulla ibn sabah , son ruler kuwait went basra father 's agent case , narrowly escaped thrown jail upon refusal make payment value seven years produce ottoman authorities deemed plaintiffs entitled receive eventually , dispute settled governor baghdad favor sheikh kuwait decision governor basra favor sheikh apparently made various reasons writers think governor wanted win abdulla turkish side , suggest governor , pasha , even offered title , declined nevertheless , proceedings turks case regarded inhabitants kuwait attempts cause confrontation zubair seems anticipated conflict according reports british agent basra , people kuwait prepared man abandon town rather submit turkish rule suggests final order pasha , upholding kuwait sheikh 's title , perhaps due report sheikh sabah , object attacking zubair decision go , obtained promise countenance armed support amir '' addition legal matter zubair , kuwait problems basra whose courts tried jail abdulla ibn sabah , explained however , kuwait 's relations ottoman basra times several instances , even sought refuge kuwait pressured baghdad exercised control source modern history kuwait , 1750 1965 , ahmed abu hakima , mcgill university , canada independent kuwait 3 another article testifies independence kuwait throughout history iraq ottomans pelly colonel pelly , british resident gulf visited kuwait first time march 3 , , met sheikh mubarak , second son ruler , sheikh sabah reached kuwait town march 4 , met sheikh abdulla , son heir apparent , accompanied town gate way good home , '' prepared pelly companions entered , '' says pelly , ``when sheikh sabah came '' description pelly 's reception indicates certain degree run according protocol government system kuwait administration justice subject comments made pelly ``the government , '' says pelly , ``the sheikh managing political , judicial departments sheikh would submit 's decision '' punishment rarely inflicted , seems little government interference anywhere , little need army '' pelly admiration sheikh ran affairs country , following remark sheikh made father nearly 120 years old , called said , ``i shall soon die made fortune , leave money , made many true friends , grapple states around gulf fallen injustice ill government , mine gone flourishing hold policy , though surrounded desert , pressed hostile still wandering set tribes , '' source modern history kuwait , 1750 1965 , ahmed abu hakima , mcgill university , canada independent kuwait 4 another article testifies independence kuwait throughout history iraq ottomans british always regarded sheikh jabir friend , '' october 1839 , event took place kuwait could weakened good relations october 30 , lieutenant , assistant resident abu iran , arrived kuwait special mission resident , captain mission find kuwait willing welcome establishment british line post across desert kuwait mediterranean british war vessel fired usual salute honor sheikh anchored waters kuwait bay salute acknowledged waited vessel three days able communicate sheikh return abu , captain explained unusual behavior sheikh , due ill , principally desire mislead egyptian agent kuwait nature relations british therefore , considered jabir 's conduct indicate change friendly policies towards british british tolerated attitude jabir towards , also egyptians earlier year , wanted men camp , ibn , general al , tribes like al , sought refuge kuwait protection refugees seeking political asylum country policy adopted earlier sheikh abdulla ibn sabah , therefore , looked upon indication self confidence outcome kuwait 's independence foreign powers fact kuwait , necessary , prepared defend powerful neighbors defense depended walls city , also bedouin tribes neighborhood merchant fleet equipped necessary guns comparable arab fleets time kuwait 's position 1815 1839 , one safely state managed maintain neutral policy regard struggling egyptians relations british even pasha baghdad continued good terms source modern history kuwait , 1750 1965 , ahmed abu hakima , mcgill university , canada trying recover land believed , much like kuwaitis pushed little far taking iraqi oil saddam thought 'd settle dispute old fashioned way really \? seriously believe \? , please post proof everybody would much better left reunited iraq together concentrated taking saddam strong , united iraq elected government would gone long way world feudal dictatorships gulf standards dropping \? since iraq ever elected government \?
rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com \( ronald j deblock jr \) subject 1990 mazda 626 high miles low price organization distribution usa lines 32 1990 mazda 626 dx 6000 best offer nada blue book mileage 6900 e mail call ron \( 908 \) 805 \( work \) \( 908 \) 454 \( home \) 92 , 000 miles , highway \( used commute 160 miles day \) 5 speed air conditioning fm cassette stereo split fold rear seat 2 2 liter , 12 valve , fuel injected engine roomy interior , back seats , big trunk well maintained oil filter every 3 , 000 4 , 000 , maintanence scheduled except timing belt still looks new slip went 5 , 000 miles without changing oil tires 20 , 000 miles , lots life left \( probably 30 , 000 40 , 000 \) front brake job 84 , 000 , back brakes still good engine trans drive train perfect condition everything works , nothing needs replacing , next tune scheduled 120 , 000 body good left tail light cracked \( i'm trying find used one dealer wants 172 ! \) , two long scratches ding hood \( vandalism \? \) , bunch stone chips front hood official mazda touch paint included deal car extremely reliable , even better toyota corolla replaced besides tires , brakes maintanence items , parts replaced headlight bulbs selling wife refuses drive car without automatic trans wants station wagon sun roof , etc , etc ron deblock rdb1 att com \( 's number 1 rdb1 , letter l \) bell labs somerset , nj usa
ptrei bistromath mitre org \( peter trei \) subject athiests hell organization mitre corporation lines 106 article may 13 02 27 26 1993 geneva rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes article may 11 02 36 29 1993 athos rutgers edu ptrei bistromath mitre org \( peter trei \) writes article may 9 05 38 49 1993 athos rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes much deleted point today might masons \( note , worshipped osiris egypt \) much deleted bugs see kind nonsense first , reasonable evidence linking masonry ancient egypt , even existed prior late 14th century \( 's nothing definitive 17th \) i'm going cut rex 's bit must past 20th level read wilkinson 's egyptians shows egyptian religion british masonry man laboratory 33 degree black mason 've talked , public side mania hospitals side highest degree mason every learns rex , literally hundreds thousands degree masons country , thousands nasty stuff really going , n't think 'd couple disgruntled members exposing \? heck , say true , rev norman vincent osiris worshiper long quote someone named hislop \( source given \) deleted i'm attempting extract relevent points osiris actually nimrod , babylonian deity admitted secret system free masonry originally founded mysteries egyptian isis , goddess mother , wife osiris babylonian nimrod osiris connected building trade , ie , masonry nimrod , son , negro n't refering biblical nimrod , rather babylonian god \? tradition egypt , recorded plutarch , long tradition masonry claiming ancient lineage order , grounds dates right back constitutions 1738 , cite adam first mason 've seen claims place masonry among romans , greeks , egyptians , even book claims prove originally masonic temple claims prove nothing 's beef , rex \? claims ex mason showed leopard skin wore lodge representation osiris usually show wearing leopard 'd check tomb paintings remember n't show interesting druids also show , say hide , representation , however , worshipped spotted cow give ancient citations \? druids suppressed 2000 years ago 's point \? whole leopard skin business sounds bizarre yet gone scottish rite \( contains higher degrees anti masons get excited , invented 1750 's \) , know enough people \( good christians \) , reject claim 'll stand statements masonry mystery religions find source babylon , great sorry peter , mean cold slap face much much 'a weary feeling deja i'm going similar argument soc culture african american evidence contrary masonry n't find origins egypt masons personally talked , refered egypt origin n't try reading serious books masonic history , 's craft \? separating many years ago , freely admitted \? got honest come actual evidence masonry existed prior , 'd impressed \( actually , anything earlier would pretty good \) rex peter trei ptrei mitre org disclaimer speak employer
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject dos 6 0 nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 45 article mosque cs huji ac il cs huji ac il \( danny \) writes well , 've installed dos 6 0 three different systems , without stacker friend installed two systems , stacker single problem \( except perhaps minor bugs config sys menus \) 's right ya know 've helped install dos 6 4 computers , mine included one , bought stacker doublespace converter , worked fine \( rather , sent coupon converter \) cases , 've run doublespace installation without problem compressing new drive , compressing free space , whatever else seems work , , repeat , run program called install setup sophisticated ai auto configuring setup installation program think never wanted could n't stop well , ran normal setup thing worked fine whatever 's worth also , dblspace crap writes 40 slower stacker , reads 20 slower , compresses 10 less tests made computer disk , cache , \( big \) files used could n't agree 486 50 n't miss speed 's still faster normal disk read would less compression , 've sacrificed favor convenience dblspace bin load anything else stacker , changes config sys autoexec bat meant rebooting twice could update personally , i'm waiting stacker 4 0 come implement hooks stuff plus , defrag comes dos okay , much prefer compress pc tools sheer plus , defrag sooooo dblspace drive , dos 6 quite good reformat disks \? honestly n't understand ditto koberg
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject temper tantrums 1960 's organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga distribution usa lines 10 netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes religion marxism dead \? said dead seems alive well net mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
smashman leland stanford edu \( adam samuel nash \) subject organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 10 light 100 letter lisa thought 'd start new one iivx \? hear machine main 040 line 6 mos , used obsolete tech rumor several sold iivx owners whose bunch , joke really , i'm tired repetitive nature type dialog plus , flaming stress relief
khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale 4 x 1meg simms \( 100ns \) macintosh organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 6 nntp posting host aludra usc edu sale 4 \( four \) 1 meg simms \( 100ns \) macintosh want upgrade mac iisi , iici , whatever email offer thanks khoh usc edu
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject make clipper chip wiretapping less bad organization loral rolm computer systems lines 18 reason push clipper \? two days lead story mercury times \( murky news \) another article industrial espionage french someone said hurt allow government continued access communications , already problem , yes access , probably realize government wants exclusive access communications intercept united states , cutting access detrimental national security \( tm \) also doubt letter agency , originated encryption algorithm chip designs needs anything escrow system continue intercept effort better yet , owns company programming \?
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject microsoft buy xhibition \? \? organization lake taylor hospital computer services lines 39 harden skate ics com \( harden \) writes article 1993may14 vpbuild vp com , jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) writes 've getting mail xhibition june conference wondering microsoft bought xhibition \? front says conference microsoft windows nt developers 's deal \? thought x x windows \? \? jesse w asher wondering \( surprisingly look audience \) windows nt bulk xhibition audience \( unix community \) developing applications house custom use , new 32 bit operating system player large microsoft needs evaluated ms windows many desktops , price computing power dropping , successor needs evaluated corporations begin look nt , must developers suppliers need conference attendees receive nt software development kits bang , evaluate , generally see hope n't sound like nt commercial \( sound like xhibition commercial \) unfortunately n't agree logic nt x windows conference perhaps good come , two dissimilar nt marketing stuff large xhibition adds coming similar conclusion jesse mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
jek cu nih gov subject james sirach lines 31 thursday 6 may 1993 , dave davis writes i'm leaning sirach directly referenced james job ruth nt verse 've seen would help mentioned chapter verse sirach james job 5 13 \( taketh wise \) seems quoted 1 corinthians 3 19 james 5 11 \( heard patience job \) , quote , implies james familiar story man named job exhibited exemplary patience possible story know found hebrew bible , rather another similar related story \( one problem direct quotes \) , matthew 1 5 \( begat ruth \) tells us matthew knew story woman named ruth married man called became ancestor david since ruth mentioned ot outside book ruth , seems likely matthew familiar book respected , thought ruth important enough one women mentioned genealogy references like prove nt writer considered ot source inspired inerrant canonical neither direct quotes , james kiefer
cleveland freenet edu \( bill mcdonald \) subject hb 1776 passes texas house ! organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 34 reply cleveland freenet edu \( bill mcdonald \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) says memory , today 's houston chronicle \( 27 april 1993 \) reported hb 1776 passed texas house representatives \( approximately , memory \) 95 votes 45 votes bill \? however , effort go \( 's cover ass \) mode , wrote bill way make law subject referendum november however , paper reported actually unconstitutional texas constitution , allows constitutional amendments , plain old laws court permit referendum bill probably go effect little fanfare subject texas senate 's voting bill well time start calling state senators ! ! daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura mcd bill mcdonald le sas que la ne st louis , mo point heart ! sbc com reasons reason cannot understand
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject rushdie 's writings organization sgi lines 23 distribution sfnet nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article cc tut fi , a137490 lehtori cc tut fi \( aario sami \) writes bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes asked counter fatwa issued 's condemnation satanic verses reason basically satanic verses rushdie took title serious matter played around anyone cares islam n't matter 's opinion , sorry say irrelevant gregg guy sounds little borg ish ! , perfectly normal behaviour vor , know \? jon
jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization tx metronet communications services , dallas tx lines 8 article uceng uc edu bferrell cicada occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article igc feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) writes still impact ito 's ibm , 's left employee base ! suspect 'll see 2 1 1st quarter 94 boy going look silly couple weeks perhaps \)
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( adam c solomon \) subject know cornell systems \? distribution usa organization university buffalo lines 11 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu subject says i'm wondering anyone net experiences cornell computer systems california checking ad computer shopper , seem good balance service , price , hardware question reliable \? e mail responses would appreciated thanks , adam ubvms cc buffalo edu
cunixb cc columbia edu \( jonathan h lin \) subject factor keywords , renal regulation reply cunixb cc columbia edu \( jonathan h lin \) organization columbia university lines 12 nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu response increases fluid volume acts facilitate sodium water excretion kidneys someone tell molecular mechanism done \? please email response thanks mo thon
acsu buffalo edu \( christophe johnson \) subject redirect print manager file \? nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu organization ub lines 21 hpcc01 corp hp com reed hpcc01 corp hp com \( perry reed \) writes hpcc01 comp os ms windows misc u7911093 cc nctu edu tw \( swh \) 9 58 apr 24 , 1993 hello , tell find pd shareware capture windows 3 1 's output printer \? planning using regular basis , printer file become bothersome windows asks filename want create 've found putting line system ini ports section path filename works problem send one job , second one deletes first chris acsu buffalo edu christopher johnson pgp public key encryption masses disclaimer n't say ! pgp encrypted mail welcome ! pgp public key pgp public keys toxicwaste mit edu orwell may well correct year wrong
randolin polisci umn edu \( robert andolina \) subject sabres bruins nntp posting host polisci umn edu organization department political science , university minnesota lines 18 buffalo fans people discussion group , well commentator al espn , believe game 3 critical sabres ! ! ! ! ! sabres ahead 2 games 0 , behind life long sabres fan , well aware ability choke , let 's exaggerate long sabres win one next 2 games \( game 3 game 4 \) , still good shape \( ahead 3 games 1 \) , game 6 played buffalo lose games three four , start worrying game 3 critical boston , buffalo rob andolina randolin polisci umn edu
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 james felder \( spbach lerc nasa gov \) wrote saying physical adam eve , humans direct two human beings \? cain able 's wives \? could n't sisters , e n't daughters non humans \? okay humans direct descendents bunch hopeful monsters human race n't evolve one set parents , thousands really base atheist \? considering something like 4 5 humans planet n't know instinctively christian god exist , claim instinctive knowledge n't look like hold much water saying 4 billion non christians world must fight instinctive urge acknowledge god jc say people christians nature say christians hold everyone knows god christians worship would thought distinction obvious , sorry read post see really said 've written , think also word wrap screwed need shift 80 columns text bill
stsci edu subject jack morris lines 44 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes aq murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes comments deleted bandwidth \( god knows , need \) \) baseball team game , made individual talents absurd judge success failure individual success failure teammates , choose \( least cases \) morris last year played team joe carter , robby alomar , tom henke , juan guzman , john olerud , et al clemens lost surrounded lesser performers herm , luis rivera , jeff reardon define quality team sum components \( , albeit \) lesser error defining quality individual mean quality team \( reading arguments suggests \) , trying define quality individual , least purpose ranking toronto olerud might fielder might thomas detroit might thomas chicago might fielder ca n't rank individuals look might contribute team effort , winning ws thomas could contributed goal olerud cannot say olerud less player ok , roger , 's question say running expansion team n't team moment , draft coming going pick , guys ws rings , guys could contribute team say reds dumb enough protect larkin , jays n't protect alfredo would pick \? \( ca n't believe i'm getting involved \) john cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
reaper wixer bga com \( milligan \) subject 1994 mustang organization real time communications lines 32 article m248 103 bgsu edu andy bgsu edu \( greg \) writes article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu , jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) wrote got remind ! yes , 's right , somtime fall , ford \( granddaddy cars \) introducing new , mega cool way fast accord drivers mustang 's supposed 100 streamlined , looking similar mach iii concept car ford came around january ca n't wait anyone hear anything recently \? yeah , looks like shit ! ! ! nothing like mach iii check latest issue popular mechanics , picture one looks like cross dodge daytona eagle talon , much car looks like produced 1990 , 1994 'll pick pm look maybe picture actual car , prototype \? saw mach iii impressed looked way japanese tear drop headlights reminded nissan nx glad n't hold '94 bought '93 maybe 'll work design little bit , listen consumers come nice looking '95 '96 always takes work kinks new design , e g f body camaro firebirds \( btw , new camaros look like shit \) milligan , software engineer , corporation , austin , texas com , reaper wixer bga com try real time communications ! \( 512 459 telnet wixer bga com \)
mach1 wlu ca \( john \) subject wanted 3d rendering lib pc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 organization wilfrid laurier university lines 19 one know decent quality library routines performing 3d graphics modelling pc \? ideally routines would application program requirements \( wish list \) flat surface modelling \( simple phong shading optional \) ability plot hidden line drawings texture mapping procedural bit map modeling light sources \( local , distant , spot lights \) ray tracing radiosity \( optional \) comments would appreciated john mach1 wlu ca phone \( 519 \) 888 john mach1 wlu ca
ronald igc apc org subject reflections bosnia owen , neier , nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! may 15 10 30 00 1993 lines 187 reflections bosnia lord owen serbs early february '93 , lord owen made appearances new york city donahue charlie rose shows couple occasions shows lord owen gave away pro serbian position made point much bosnian territory dispute already overrun serbian forces controlled occupied serbs wwii saying since serbs previously occupied territories lost hitler years , allowed today familiar view father , yugoslav jew escaped country war , aided found sympathy among serbs years recent months subject serbian aggression mentioned , father would make point 850 , 000 serbs killed nazi pro nazi croatian forces known father pro serbian dismissed reports serbian atrocities father also new york times columnist anthony lewis , , father said , anthony lewis always talking muslims update april 28 , 1993 uneasy truce around , shelling resumed nearby areas sides killing misery continues clinton administration response days leading collapse resistance , lord owen changed tune previously opposed military intervention grounds would endanger u n relief workers serbian forces began march , threat u n relief soldiers went lord owen called outside intervention stop serbian aggression , including use air strikes current disastrous situation seen failure west failure vance owen initiative nothing halt serbs 's late save muslim areas lord owen felt muslim state , lord owen calls strong action clinton bosnia summer 1992 , george kenney , senior state department official , charge yugoslav desk , made news resigned state department bush administration 's refusal take action halt serbian aggression kenney saw , bush 's inaction largely due president 's unwillingness risk political capital getting involved apparently true clinton administration clinton gives impression cares bush terrible ongoing tragedy , practical effect far according new york times , \( 4 16 93 \) clinton administration everything could suppress mid march report experts called military action necessary protect safe havens muslims one point , senate majority leader , george mitchell incensed report kept congress , called investigation instead helping desperate bosnians , clinton milosevic serbs free want bosnia indeed , clinton west signalling serbs get job finish bosnians quickly possible turn way key signal clinton made clear would send american military forces ground issue , clinton made bush bush baker could done worse , might pressured better well time lives bosnia might saved destruction might nation , left bosnian typical left 's inability come grips core issue involved bosnia , e , clear aggressor destroying hundreds thousands lives , editorial bosnian nation \( 4 26 93 \) end editorial votes nothing , even noticing ghastly atrocities bosnian serbs greater lesser powers dither fuss hang back \( anything else happens , clinton administration ought pay 530 million united states u n editorial concludes \) striking passage , editorial writer warns pushing president clinton intervene side bosnians better review u foreign policy since world war ii editorial argues inaction basis bosnian serbs worse number u clients including , south africans , greek fascists others \( subsequent column nation , christopher correctly called editorial , \) william , european based journalist writes new yorker los angeles times , among group liberal columnists like anthony lewis , leslie clearly consistently called strong western american intervention stop serbs 's recent column \( liberal opinion week 4 19 93 \) entitled international cowardice bosnian tragedy clarifies international failure led present situation one sentence refused intervene sanction threat minority rights newly independent croatia june 1991 , block military aggression serbia immediately followed , atrocious ethnic cleansing followed , united nations bosnia military force scale two years ago could deterred horrors yugoslavia since experienced goes explain u n plans call open ended military assignment direct military intervention halt aggression would year ago neier serbs watching rights column nation \( 5 3 93 \) neier gets heart motivation aggressors preferred term serbian forces shelling sarajevo year explains military purpose served destruction fabric people , aligned forces attacking sarajevo would want live even city could rebuilt city people , believe aside desire break morale bosnians make press government accept peace price explains conduct siege sarajevo loathing urban , made sarajevo object devastation historically , serbian population bosnia herzegovina rural , muslims , civil servants centuries ottoman rule , made disproportionate share urban population destruction sarajevo expression hostility city also attack urban idea whipped passions let loose war exploited ethnic religious bigotry also hatred light neier sheds issue helps clarify stake serbs represent know nothing , anti , fundamentalist , fascist forces attacking urban , , secular , multi cultural idea attacking rest us , hitler one irony beginning crisis bosnia , awhile maintained serbs supporters responding threat bosnian muslims create fundamentalist state neier shown serbs great threat , multi , diversity democracy 's serbs attacking democratic notion , democratic idea anthony lewis comes close point asks respect clinton 's presidency depend acting effectively serbian aggression \? first nothing genocide would betrayal values allies profess \( times , 4 26 93 \) 's merely betrayal values 's serbs attacking us proxy , hitler one argument decisive action west heard different form , war balkans europe hear , bosnians europe 's palestinians say , palestinian refugee problem key instability middle east , hundreds thousands yugoslav refugees result turmoil europe decades come one lessons twentieth century even though atlantic ocean divides us , americas ultimately tied destiny europe europe , u inevitably affected drawn problems , sooner later drawn past history shown , 's much better decisively , quickly terms sincerely , ronald
sei cmu edu \( thomas \) subject hockey equip recommendations \? keywords hockey organization software engineering institute lines 23 hey man ! spent past season learning skate played couple sessions mock hockey , i'm ready invest hockey equipment \( particularly since taking summer \) however , completely profoundly ignorant comes hockey equipment 've checked local stores looked catalogs , hoping solicit opinions suggestions actually money played football high school college least equipment basis comparison example advantages disadvantages different kinds shoulder pads pants \? notoriously bad unsafe brands styles \? etc suggestions comments would greatly appreciated tom 're swimming creek software engineering institute bites cheek , carnegie mellon university 's ! pittsburgh , pa fabulous freak bros
idler cs tu berlin de \( andreas kuehnel \) subject windows virtual memory organization technical university berlin , germany lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit 've got 386dx 40 , 4mb i'm using windows 3 1 sometimes wondered windows worked endlessly hd nothing \( lunch something like \) turned virtual memory swapfile , windows became quite faster , less memory free i'm still wondering , windows reading everything virtual memory sufficient \? common sense explanation really appreciated
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject wanted 24 bit viewer organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 22 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de article seti inria fr , deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) writes thanks people helped problem displaying 24 bit images viewers like xli , xloadimage display converting 24 bit images 8 bit display screen really want viewer make use 24 bit frame screen buffer \( case , parallax one \) try imagemagick cannot test one told 24bit anyway , sure xserver supports 24bit truecolor visuals \? check xdpyinfo ! brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) subject opel gt article 1993apr21 reply singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) organization mit lincoln laboratory lines 11 opel gt 's \? i'm wondering enough starting mail list matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory \( 617 \) 981 244 wood street singer mit edu lexington , 02173
fitz cse ogi edu \( bob \) subject vga graphics library keywords c , library , graphics article organization oregon grad inst computer science eng , beaverton lines 26 article uucp bill uucp \( bill sheppard \) writes many high end graphics cards come c source code basic graphics sorts things \( change colors , draw points lines polygons fills , etc \) library exist generic vga graphics cards chips , hopefully public domain \? would purpose compiling non dos operating system running standard pc i'm also interested info public domain commercial graphics library package pc vga graphics i'm currently working realtime application running non dos kernel needs simple graphics i'm sure graphics library going issue suspect 'll implement display controller server process handles graphics requests , queued mailbox , one time provides sufficiently frequent display updates believe restrict graphics operations performed server thus constrain access library single process avoid need graphics library fairly new realtime systems world may overlooking something , think \? cheers , bob fitz cse ogi edu \( 503 \) 297
hsk com \( \) subject new mercedes diesels keywords automotive diesels organization systems ltd lines 16 hi fellow auto enthusiasts ! anyone info new 4 valve per cylinder diesels mercedes working \? specs outputs , engine size , direct indirect injection \? , etc would welcome hear late year , next year \? \? thank advance replies ! hsk com
renee cornell edu subject chelation therapy organization cornell university lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host 128 253 111 135 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 x xxdate mon , 26 apr 93 13 59 09 gmt anyone know anything chelation therapy using edta \? uncle , doctor wants try wondering 1 evidence edta chelation therapy beneficial condition , condition \? 2 possible side effects \? please respond via e mail cornell edu thanks , renee
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization clark university lines 35 mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) writes first , longer game way suggests baseball watch , unless include watching grass grow baseball definitely 's n't like going see games played artificial turf \) games batters stepping box , pitchers taking longer pitches excessive trips mound managers pitching coaches 's true gaps plays interesting , true n't become extra long well , idea interesting differs mine think batting practice interesting , example , make special effort get game early order see think delaying tactics batters , pitchers , catchers , managers interesting 're attempts gain advantage control flow timing game course , umpires , , intervene tactics get hand ryan robbins pointed , rules cover one fascinating things baseball , think , open regard time never know game going zip right less two hours , 's going go four morning likewise , games action packed , games slow lazy 's fine folks want constant action watch games tv channel surf short attention spans heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
subject speeding games rbd flash ece uc edu \( bobby davis \) organization university cincinnati nntp posting host flash ece uc edu lines 16 article netcom com rudy netcom com \( rudy wade \) writes feel talking speeding baseball games , like trying keep signal noise ratio high rec sports baseball matter much talk , reasonable arguments , always people quote entire article \( signatures ! \) make one line comment , reply woof whether stupidity , excitement bless us insight , matter said , always keep ballgames matter much might benefit game umpires enforce rules players managers coaches stop wasting time ai n't gonna happen rudy agree
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization dsi uscrpac lines 11 doug holland claims tom clancy provided recipe nuclear bombs clancy says omitted certain crucial steps , know clancy knows , rather repeating 's read told unclassified domain \? david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
cc newcastle edu au subject patches 1 \? lines 17 organization university newcastle , australia due number bugs 1 sunos 4 1 3 , installed patches 15 01 patch 15 appears work fine fixed number problems patch 01 , however , required fix number annoying bugs , breaks applications recent revision patch \? ideas \? scott sloan email cc newcastle edu au university newcastle fax 61 49 nsw australia
wang ncsu edu \( cheng wang \) subject buffalo sabres organization north carolina state university lines 23 article msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) writes ok , buffalo fans red wings fan , amazed sabres beating bruins reason \? grant fuhr mogilny lafontaine \? would like hear since know much sabres dave vergolini michigan state university vergolin euler lbs msu edu pure simple , grant fuhr money awesome playoffs , especially last night mogilny scoring well , russian friend \( sp \? \) also done well fuhr biggest reason winning , difference year 's team previous years bill perry
atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) subject dialogue conservatives wanted organization national association disorganized lines 14 members conservative , religious , politically active groups \( christian coalition \) \? come liberal background , 'd like talk conservative people public forum \( one \) frankly ca n't understand rationale christian basis much conservative position , 'd like try learn movement , 're part church anyone interested explaining bit conservative viewpoint \? thanks alan terlep children knew oakland university , rochester , mi lame , 'd murder atterlep vela acs oakland edu sleep rushing angels fear tread frank zappa
cco caltech edu \( martin w lin \) subject audio electronic parts , esp los angeles organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 14 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu i'm working audio mixer project , i'm trouble finding parts want use op amps gain control stages ones found good audio , cannot find either electronic parts places 've looked good substitute op amps parts suppliers la area carry kind thing \( dual audio slider pots would nice , \) info would appreciated thanks advance martin lin cco caltech edu
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( steven jay \) subject tv coverage nhl blame ! organization lehigh university lines 48 tv coverage playoffs fucking overtime time games shown \? hell kind shit \? would happened flyers \( damn playoffs begin \) watching , would gone throught roof ! however , everybody getting pissed espn , ones blame prior contracts ca n't simply break whenever want n h l blame signed deal espn , know know shit like would happen since would n't complete priority n h l feeling heat thrown espn n h l fans \? dare ones make damn league exist ca n't even televise complete playoff games us watch ! write , pissed get must let n h l know expect little better anybody knows go , let everybody else know well get chest i'm mario michael jordan hockey fall ice closet guy gets least 2 last night 3rd game nj pitt , pushed skating across front goal trying get shot guy good job , got weak shot , decided fall ice fucking ref \( van \? \) called guy holding replayed play , roomate \( clueless hockey \) wanted know nj guy get call , fucking obvious nj player hands stick , , trip simple , mario gets touched , falls ice , automatic 2 thing really pissed , pitt scored 3rd 4th goal , n't remember , resulting pp eventually 4 3 diving calls makes huge difference outcome game gotta stop damn holding interference fucking obvious hockey allows inferior players bring level better players , allows inferior teams beat better ones pissed many years , improved somewhat however , playoffs 3rd periods , damn refs must misplace balls , sure n't make calls show got agreeing disagreeing replies welcomed steve
tatsuya math byu edu \( tatsuya kawasaki \) subject wanted fax machine organization brigham young university lines 4 nntp posting host math byu edu sub says
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 57 apr 20 10 27 01 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes brandeis mean , many people actually care many people gay \( long know find avoid want \) \? n't n't care , much effort put promoting 10 lie \? important scare politicians obedience would n't worry much , though starting find politically homosexuals really colorado boycott , slick willie effectively prevented implementing military policy wrt homosexuals members party , new study casts large shadow doubt claims large numbers , coming saturday going wind tremendous egg face , submit , perhaps 35 , 000 queers show washington promising crowds millions ones look like act queer nation , guy working next 's really going play middle america sigh 're absolutely right political power whatsoever therefore , oppressed ignored , right \? certainly hope n't , sir , heard disparaging towards political minorities , shred self respect , 'd door pretty soon find retreating back closet belong n't count , sweetheart views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \? certainly major universities would n't touch views display perspective ten foot pole drewcifer p incidentally , think even could come enlightenment bullshit evolve bit , \? bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
ugcs caltech edu \( david \) subject baseball trivia organization caltech undergraduate computer science lines 39 nntp posting host molest ugcs caltech edu article texdude cs1 bradley edu texdude cs1 bradley edu \( philip allen \) writes holds record career strikeouts playing one team \? holds record career strikeouts rangers \? \( hint nolan ryan n't either \) two pitchers 100 career saves two different teams \? player hit 300 career home runs steal 300 career bases team \? fair peeking baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu 'll post guesses trivia questions posted career k 's one team , 's ryan , perhaps steve carlton rangers , hough long time 100 saves department maybe lee smith \( least hundred , maybe enough either cards \) maybe , \? \( nyy sd \) , fingers \( mil , oak \) n't know homers steals dept article , \( mets trivia \) , could tim leary least losing teams , maybe beating 'em probably seaver koosman fit randy johnson 's hitter , think scott bradley , half old mariner catching platoon , behind plate night david
khan0095 nova gmi edu \( mohammad razi khan \) subject hate filled newsgroup ! ! ! ! organization gmi engineering management institute , flint , mi distribution world lines 25 ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes geez , think people long net , going convince anyone anything violent language , one wonders many violent tounges n't know think point ask lousy question everyone started calling names 's gotten hand start associating yassir arafat \( way think idiot \) gosh guys lighten try least pretend reasonable still n't understand antisemitic stuff posted think guys looking get offended sense need get life mohammad r khan khan0095 nova gmi edu july '93 , please send mail mkhan nyx cs du edu
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization summary another one bites dust lines 19 article wayne orwig worwig atlantaga ncr com , wayne orwig atlantaga ncr com \( wayne orwig \) writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? mike imposible due shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground well last two motorcycles shaft driven wheelie rear gear climb ring gear lift rear gives odd feel , still wheelies feeding frenzy ! ! ! ah , 'tis april rec moto newbies ! catch want , 'll make ! chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 3 dishonest money away , gathers money little little makes grow proverbs 13 11
dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) subject gateway flash bios upgrade lines 38 nntp posting host blonde cc utexas edu organization university texas austin lines 38 article lhdsy1 lahabra chevron com , kato lahabra chevron com \( w r volz \) writes article 1993apr20 1 utxvms cc utexas edu , dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu \( daniel coleman \) writes gateway 2000 released new flash bios update local bus systems i'm nice person , uploaded wuarchive wustl edu look glb05 exe msdos uploads section enjoy ! several questions 1 \) gain new bios \? 2 \) save copy old bios case want go back \? 3 \) install new bios \? 'd like enjoy , need answers first 1 \) fixes problems games leaving f 15 iii would , vain , try find floppy drive fixed n't know corrections made 2 \) comes image original , case things n't work 3 \) download glb05 exe format bootable floppy disk , n't put config sys autoexec bat run self extracting archive files explode disk run file fsh exe self explanatory dan p feeling generous , uploaded file ftp cica indiana daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman utxvms bitnet
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject koresh doctrine 4 4 organization stephen f austin state university lines 75 article watson mariner sce carleton ca , watson sce carleton ca \( stephen watson \) writes question seem fundamentalists \( stephen tice , cotera , joe gaut , et al \) \( apologies 've , 've started reading r since bd disaster know cotera fundy \) defending koresh beliefs example true christianity persecution big bad secular state opinion reported sexual habits \? reports accurate , say quality christianity \? allegations part big cover \? thank , steve refreshing someone accuse christian hope enough evidence get conviction certain mean fundy part term fundamentalist wide variety uses refer actually believe jesus messiah son god wish follow way , plead guilty matter think roman circus lions satisfied emperor , long struggle , sensed crowd tiring gave thumbs respect previous comments david koresh , urge examine previous posts believe mistakenly assume defense right personal beliefs right express others implies agreement theology actually understand little details branch davidian teachings regret many hung aspect tragic events past days think sex life interest federal government course hillary says molesting infants must true even though allegations fall jurisdiction federal government state local matters thoroughly reviewed local level proper authorities successful charge ever american law , innocent americans presumed innocent proven guilty least 's powerful machine appear beast therefore deserving every ill fates might bring upon evidence trickles twenty one children , left building early days siege , carefully examined qualified authorities evidence physical sexual abuse none found , one attorneys met davidians several times conflagration , reported children seemed well adjusted showed sign abuse ultimately , steve , think heart david koresh quite unimportant today benevolent hands wise merciful judge one day surely judge us withhold judgment david koresh defer one knowledge meanwhile , let 's clean mess left earth keep happening sending strong message government respect inalienable rights people serves joe gaut \( remain deliberately neutral cause fire would n't put past koresh torched place hand , propane tank accident story correct , would n't put past fbi try cover ass claiming koresh hope government thorough investigation whole debacle , 'll disappointed heads n't roll authorities seem botched original raid , matter fire , guilty either serious , reckless endangerment \) steve watson k watson sce carleton ca carleton university , ontario opinion opinion assert \( opinion ! opinion \) somebody touched making everything new burned life like bolt blue somebody touched know bruce
wdh mitre org \( dale hall \) subject pregnency without sex \? summary none keywords none nntp posting host mitre org organization research computer facility , mitre corporation , bedford , distribution usa lines 10 article andrew cmu edu gabriel underwood gabe cmu edu writes heard great civil war story guy shot groin , bullet continues 's path , lodges abdomen female spectator lo behold legend goes , parents survived , married , raised child turned real son gun
netcom com \( alexander \) subject help ! quiet pc \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 fan power supply , like , loud anyone found solution running pc peace quiet \? short buying notebook pc , n't know oh yeah , hear power supply called silencer supposed quiet anyone experience \? quoted price 225 \( ! \) silencer 've even considered stuffing pc case one acoustic printer , would n't elegant solution also , i'm guessing would also cut ventilation ideas \? thanks advance suggestions ! please e mail whatever post alexander netcom com \( 510 \) 848 \( voice \)
f54oguocha edison usask ca subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization university saskatchewan lines 23 nntp posting host edison usask ca previous article , sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sa senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry mohamed , got say carnage genocide sudan \? two scenarios must viewed perspective n't think \? well , methinks flames intended ! ! ! oguocha mohamed
subject lexus infiniti w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu reply w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu organization st cloud state university , st cloud , mn nntp posting host tigger stcloud msus edu lines 22 first , correct spelling nissan 's luxury automobile division infiniti infinity would also like clear question kind engines power lexus infiniti automobiles , since person remarked earlier posts lexus infiniti models v6 engines , time saying several manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 infiniti q45 v8 v6 g20 inline 4 \( must admit cannot remeber sure \) hope helps
mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) subject definition christianity \? organization computer science dept , qmw , university london , uk lines 29 article may 12 04 28 31 1993 9972 athos rutgers edu autry magellan stlouis sgi com \( larry autry \) writes enrolled history christianity college st louis teacher class consider closed minded subject definition christianity definition tied directly trinity catholic church 's definition belief jesus christ sufficient call one 's self christian call trinity catholic church 's definition precisely result first christians getting together trying find acceptable answer question christian \? ca n't see objecting someone saying historians beliefs would agree , calling closed minded bigot \? really ought say mean belief jesus christ wording sufficient describe christian muslims believe jesus christ although believe prophet incarnated son god followers eastern religions might quite happy say jesus incarnation god along large numbers historical mythical figures perhaps ought rephrase question say precisely traditional definitions christian , handed universal church , object regard unnecessary christian matthew huntbach
cleveland freenet edu \( rob henry \) subject wanted 3 tickets cleveland phantom opera show organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 6 reply cleveland freenet edu \( rob henry \) nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu need 3 tickets cleveland showing phantom opera pay face value tickets 50 dollar lower range preferably show middle late may bought please leave mail
nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host mushroom psych indiana edu organization psych department , indiana university lines 27 galen med virginia edu \( galen j \) writes nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes assembled frightening arsenal weapons , exactly , find frightening weapons \? lethality small part , mostly found frightening fact people believed ate breakfast every morning jesus christ n't galilee back roman occupation , n't know certain david koresh jesus christ , strongly suspect \( even aside fact never seen photograph together \) circumventing laws intended prevent buildup laws making reference \? admit ca n't cite specific , n't law purchasing grenade components assembling functioning units perhaps need one second ammendment arguments aside , i'm sure like idea private citizens hand grenades nathan engle software psychology department indiana university nate psygate psych indiana edu silver ucs indiana edu
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject braves update ! ! organization adobe systems incorporated lines 48 article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes 1 \) since time immemorial , batters complained calls pitchers catchers however , batters n't use go bad calls degree unless league notified teams year allowing complaints , hirschbeck acting expectations everyone told new emphasis speeding games rule hirschbeck invoked books long time 2 \) 's gant hirschbeck 's face nobody , including hirschbeck , ever said gant turned away , hirschbeck immediately motioned gant step box imo , point time , hirschbeck determined show gant exactly charge game gant n't dawdling n't chance hirschbeck simply exercising power play 's \( perhaps colored braves \) perception hirschbeck 's view gant heading long walk , accordance instructions concerning speeding games , directed batter 's box gant resisted , many us might thought unreasonable request , hirschbeck called pitch point , based rulebook instructions , unreasonable request braves already upset imo , game remember name umpire bad game umpire gant done instructed , would n't remembered name umpire sherri nichols snichols adobe com
carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 29 article may 14 02 11 48 1993 athos rutgers edu , dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) writes article 28328 athos rutgers edu , carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) writes anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion start religion , would fine scriptural basis statement , acts 11 15 18 , 22 23 , john 4 1 8 says try spirits see god fact really gets heart problem think know scripture faith driven feel word god know \? tried learn anything \? dr ann b carlson \( b carlson larc nasa gov \) ms 366 nasa langley research center ` \) hampton , va 23681 0001
bobbe vice \( robert beauchaine 6086 59 323 lp \) subject best lines 164 rapture october 28 , 1992 case miss rapture stay calm panic natural reaction realize occurred panic absolutely useless wanted get right god rapture , could , chose wait chance stay earth endure end tribulation shall endure unto end , shall saved matthew 24 13 ii realize living great tribulation great tribulation seven year period starting time rapture christ 's second coming also know time jacob 's \( israel 's \) trouble \( 30 7 \) daniel 's week \( dan 9 \) , period trouble horror iii gather many bibles hide soon antichrist becomes leader european community \( roman empire \) , bibles confiscated owning bible tantamount treason bible , however , valuable possession tribulation iv read bible like never read life since bibles may confiscated , even careful , imperative read word memorize whole passages quote especially important read daniel , luke 21 , matthew 24 , revelation , amos , books describe events expect v pray like never prayed life pray power god comes strongly upon pray pray pray reading word praying gain spiritual strength able withstand torture may endure sake christ vi take mark cost even fit means loved ones die martyrs antichrist becomes leader european community , institute world economic system , designed cannot buy , sell , eat unless take mark number name money useless causes , small great , rich poor , free slave , receive mark right hand , one may buy sell except one mark name beast , number name wisdom let understanding calculate number beast , number man number 666 revelation 13 16 18 antichrist implement greatest slaughter humanity think various ways people tortured killed past , holocaust maybe crusades \? cannot even imagine horror take place antichrist 's rule much worse anything history \( matt 24 21 \) saw altar souls slain word god testimony held white robe given said rest little longer , number fellow servants brethren , would killed , completed revelation 6 9 , 11 targets jews christians worship image take mark forehead right saw souls witness jesus word god , worshiped beast image , received mark hands revelation 20 4 use every form torture humiliation order force renounce christ hesitate use loved ones , even children , torturing killing front tempted take mark take mark worship antichrist image , however , second death , lake fire sung eloquently johnny cash cannot redeemed better endure torture short gain eternal life sic endure eternal torment ring h h h h lake fire anyone worships beast image , receives mark forehead hand , shall also drink wine wrath god , poured full strength cup indignation sic shall tormented fire brimstone presence holy angels presence lamb revelation 14 9 10 probably presence season ticket holders special hats given first 5 , 000 stadium vii set plan motion survival although may able hide antichrist 's government end tribulation , time gain hiding important spiritual growth strengthening , since extremely strong christ suffer die sake first thing move city rural mountainous area , antichrist 's control come last least populated areas take good radio tv stay events discern time schedule tribulation see weather map , heavy currents tribulation sweep area expect delays 95 outbound , perhaps school store water food , able purchase anything without mark water lakes streams polluted radioactive waste nuclear warfare eventually turn blood get good water filter bring different types clothing seasons , well , batteries , generators , first aid supplies short , learn survive live land pioneers viii trust one secret agents everywhere , spying antichrist 's government lookout perot supporters take note ix watch antichrist important realize antichrist , deceive many thinking great world leader bring peace prosperity world hungry infer daniel 11 certain characteristics man popular first three half years tribulation , dominate airwaves physically appealing , highly intelligent , christ like personality international politician , military economic expert , word peace make treaty jews , break three half years supernatural power mortal wound head healed even elect deceived pray read bible , deceived dominate airwaves \? perhaps howard stern rush limbaugh antichrist companion , false sic , make image antichrist cause speak refuse sic image killed final three half years absolutely insane , spirits everywhere x give hope ! seven years tribulation end triumphant return christ antichrist defeated steadfast endure , rewarded greatly heaven start reading bible praying salvation sould depends upon determine , come may , take mark worship antichrist still chance saved remain saved , time faithful unto death may god find ready hour glorious return ! mike christianity stupid ubvms mike ubvms give ub language perception laboratory bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 4 21 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 50 article grabiner germain harvard edu grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) writes article netcom com , mark singer writes based data , n't see reason pinch hit sabo , player poor clutch hitter past many factors involved decision pinch hit pinch hitter give platoon advantage \? \( portion sabo 's clutch split results platoon split certainly real ability , even nothing clutch hitting \) singles hitter plate need home run \? pitcher facing batter trouble curves \? hey ! 's \? agree ! platoon advantage \( sabo vs samuel \) players reputation excellent fastball hitters , reputation fooled often slow curves change ups sabo power , little bit better batting eye samuel noted agressive free sabo homerun power players started game hitting 200 may game considerations might prompted perez want reserve samuel use later game line , samuel never get given , n't see lot suggest pinch hitting , see anything suggest pinch hitting , course , clutch hitting information 's useless 's david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks mark singer mss netcom com
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject reno , fascist dog organization stephen f austin state university lines 35 article 1993apr23 news columbia edu , pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) writes janet reno decision attack compound davidians mean , last thing need country gun toting hicks want end world think atf , us marshalls , fbi local police forces make concerted effort rid us scourge rebellious freaks welch ! welch ein leiden ! pete holocaust memorial museum , president clinton remarked ``the evil represented museum , witness , must remain adversary world live , must stop history well clinton made comment shortly giving janet reno go ahead construct gas chamber waco anniversary warsaw uprising say , n't monday also anniversary paul revere 's ride \? clue \? joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
bongo cc utexas edu \( marc bizer \) subject deskwriter driver v3 1 problems organization university texas austin lines 11 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id slip 172 ots utexas edu x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 15 00 21 gmt article husc harvard edu laurence byrne , harvard edu writes anyone success experience hp deskwriter v3 1 drivers \? new driver nice save default option claims record paper size , font substitution settings etc future happened anyone printing beep heard message displayed sort window closed finder enough memory \? one suffering delusion \? marc bizer
galen picea cfnr colostate edu \( galen watts \) subject power , signal surges home nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate edu organization colorado concert sound lines 36 article 1993apr26 hpcvaac cv hp com billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) writes brian ucsd edu \( brian \) writes listen interference hear voices clearly , almost certainly ham radio , might well cb record bit , could take tape local ham operator 's house ask opinion 're hearing communities cannot legally ca n't record legally \? may court , recording personal use legal wants play ham friend , 's legal , long n't charge admission unfortunately , consumer equipment poorly designed , ! \( btw hams allowed amplifiers cb n't illegal ham amplifier n't compute \) , mobile radio mobile rigs could power 1500 watt amplifier bill n't actually 1500 watts 100 feet 've heard radio transmissions concert security guitar amps guitar plugged , security uses radios transmitting 2 5 watts rubber duck antenna , acts like dummy load antenna hey bill , three weeks ago stuff posted dealt \? galen watts , kf0yj
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject desertification negev organization department redundancy department lines 67 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes contrary ben gurion 's assertion , must affirmed 26 years british mandate palestine centuries previous , productive human presence found parts negev desert hills valleys southern negev well fertile north bedouin arabs fact , productive human presence desert , centuries , produced one greatest civilizations human history created wheel , printing press , light bulb , post modern architecture , broadway theatre nuclear power , well real desertification negev , mainly southern part , occurred israel 's bedouin 's cultivated lands right , elias negev veritable garden eden evil jews turned rain turned horrible desert part international jewish conspiracy say , call turn rain ny , right \? nowadays , majority 12 , 800 square kilometer negev , represents 62 percent state israel \( pre 1967 borders \) , beyond recognition yeah , deserts rarely look like garden eden main new occupiers formerly bedouin negev israeli army nature reserves authority , whose chief role prevent bedouin roaming former pasture lands nature reserves people heavily armed anti tank weaponry need nature reserves vast industrial zones , including nuclear reactors dumping grounds chemical , nuclear wastes nothing like vast nuclear reactors comes hiding air attack least saddam sense hide cbn plants baby milk factories israeli jews negev today cultivate less half surface area cultivated bedouin 1948 , jewish pastoral activity indeed , many older people recall fondly lovely tomatoes oranges bedouin exported form garden eden fact , region used supply entire world bananas , jews pushed business onto banana republics elias , 're stupid postings source considerable amusement please n't stop might even go back watching tv jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
chris camp pitt edu \( chris emerson \) subject nasty insurance people keywords insurance distribution usa organization university pittsburgh medical center , lines 24 hello everyone , insurance question allstate insurance situation person car car dealer person reports accident \( cars involved \) driver estimates damage cost cost car insurance people claim car totalled exceeding repair costs person says ! ! ! ! drove car ! takes another place place estimates 2 , 101 00 damage 2 , 000 less dealer one hitch car registered florida accident occurred question insurance recognize pay damages , fixable , car even though declared totalled \? please respond via e mail think know anything sort thing chris camp pitt edu thanks
rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) subject welcome police state usa organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 66 article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one , approve batf launching 100 person raid , complete flack jackets , men hidden horse trailers , stun grenades , semi auto weapons peaceful citizens \? would also accept search court \? still proof branch davidians illegal weapons nothing else jurisdiction batf , unless thought still , smoking cigarettes automatic firearms violation tax matter ! n't serve knock warrants someone 50 cal n't necessary \( ca n't flush machine gun toilet , know \) , n't smart \( right , got good chance getting blown away wrong , n't done \) stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police stupidity indeed related stupidity may attempt serve warrant ludicrously armed , protected confident gestapo escalation n't automatically brilliant tax matter ! flush toilet ! need knock warrants everything actually , imho nothing justifies , another argument anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear n't murder police officers probable cause arrest murder perhaps us citizens innocent proven guilty also n't killing batf screwed real bad phill hallam baker lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \)
carlos carlos jpr com \( carlos dominguez \) subject hacker ethic go \? reply carlos carlos jpr com organization private helldiver usenet system , brooklyn , ny , usa lines 38 x newsreader helldiver 1 07 \( waffle 1 65 \) 243 dorsai dorsai org dorsai dorsai org \( charles \) writes hacker ethic alive well know speak , answer screw 'em make feel right amen learned example , specifically \) say keep faith , others likewise dorsai leads way unlike services commercial nature , dorsai community based service others charge monthly fees access , dorsai accepts donations afford contribute systems n't respond user input , dorsai systems sell hardware profit , dorsai hardware community service groups , individuals could n't afford normally dorsai lives due hacker ethic charles , jack , skip , , ira , mark , david etc etc etc nights days working equipment thats assembled embassy , \( modifying ever else available work first time \) order keep slip line heres bud i'm one decided stay , damn glad \) carlos dominguez sys admin , owner , \( \) ooo \( \) ooo root carlos uucp uupsi ! ! carlos ! carlos ask helldiver carlos carlos jpr com \( guaranteed address \)
hawk depaul edu \( \) subject siggraph online experimental publication available nntp posting host hawk depaul edu organization depaul university , chicago lines 14 try publications may 93 online siggraph org 's !
lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) subject two questions organization ideology busters , inc lines 25 article pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article sbanka vm temple edu sbanka vm temple edu writes 'd appreciate help anyone could give two questions brady bill news throughout 1992 actually happened congress \? bush veto \? , \? brady bill passed house 1992 , failed reach vote senate , never reached bush \( sarah brady 's condemnation withstanding \) joint house senate conference report \( e , crime bill \) congress contains brady bill 7 day waiting period within believe died never came vote either house 'll probably pass house , probably pass senate get vote whether 'll busy things question got four years clinton 's support pass larry cipriani l v cipriani att com
kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? nntp posting host summit wpd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca lines 22 like clark williams bonds order pitchers walk clark 2 outs \( unlike last year \) williams getting better pitches hit bonds deck circle since matt terrible batting eye , helps giants lot bonds gets base , try steal 2nd driven single thompson , manwaring , clayton bat bonds , n't want run caught stealing could take big inning also bonds less need protection behind good base \( walk potential double \) draw back clark williams bases bonds think 's problem giants glad see especially robby thompson gets hot ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com \( 415 \) 390 3536
slutsky tesla njit edu subject sports broadcasting fm organization new jersey institute technology lines 8 nntp posting host tesla curious known professional sports teams whose games regularly broadcast fm station one aware wysp philadelphia carries games respond summarize list bruce slutsky slutsky tesla njit edu
hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) subject happy birthday israel ! originator hamid dali mcrcim mcgill edu nntp posting host dali mcrcim mcgill edu organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines 44 article bony1 bony com , jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes article 1993apr27 011549 7010 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes israel happy 45th birthday ! anybody information number people killed israel 44 happy year \? hamid 's \? another idiot mcrcim mcgill edu \? dope using different accounts \? asked simple questions different n't understand people insulted simple questions ! anyway , n't reply language wo n't , 1 need 2 benefit 3 n't time reply way , want know \? nationalist arab 1967 arab 70 's sure want hear name \? muslim fighter child fight armed soldier stone ! guy wants bring justice palestine , fighter wants kicked israel south way 1982 son khomeini honored n't know ! ! ! \? ask rabin knows ! hamid jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject hamza salah , humanist organization artificial intelligence lab lines 3 1993apr25 news columbia edu reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply jaa12 cunixa cc columbia edu 's message sun , 25 apr 1993 00 49 17 gmt hey , want posts forwarded ca n't get sysadmin pay attention
noel chaos cs brandeis edu \( noel \) subject usa mcweekly stats organization brandeis university lines 61 rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes discussion whether elias money grubbing deleted funny , seems stats major league minor league , nothing collections statistics , authored bill james stats inc \( howe , minor league handbook \) sure 1993 bill james player ratings book qualifies book statistics , elias analyst statistics book analyst contains stats , sure , also contains dialogue finally , point word statistics money grubbing n't see anyone looked bill james player ratings book cannot consider money grubbing bob vesterman thoughts facts , 1 \) bill james partial owner stats , inc however almost nothing day day operations company , although significant input design books bear name \( handbook , scoreboard \) best knowledge , things bill actually writes stats predictions section handbook , bill james fantasy baseball rulebook 2 \) debate elias goes way back bill early stuff hampered fact elias would give access stats price project , later , stats founded fill void call stats , ask report anything database , provide price , course could log online system look data attempted pry numbers elias past \( football , baseball \) , n't stats eyes , high ground comes making information available 3 \) said , i'm pretty bill 's book year , given mostly response publishers desire book come sooner april hope makes things little bit clearer \( bias alert former part time employee stats \) noel noel chaos cs brandeis edu
labs tek com \( ken \) subject 25mhz iisi organization tektronix lines 17 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 14 12 00 gmt article willamette edu thomas herzog , willamette edu writes finally decided risk upgrade , faq hand 've gathered pieces together problem n't able find anyone 's even heard thermal tape glue \( faq recommends attaching heat sink \) tempted use duct tape anyone ideas attaching heat sink processor \? \? much thanks use thin film epoxy ! epoxy conducts heat fairly well heat sink gets warm prove looked stuff local ee jocks said use epoxy fun ken
subject rocket launch observed ! leo fi \( leo \) distribution world organization bbs , helsinki finland , 358 0 506 \( 20 lines v 32bis \) lines 44 bright light phenomenon observed eastern finland april 21 00 25 ut two people saw bright , luminous pillar shaped phenomenon low eastern near head pillar circular lower part little winding like monster told little frightened soon pillar became enlarged bright spot like sun appeared middle phenomenon last light landed behind nearby forest luminous trails sky visible till morning sunrise phenomenon observed also 00 26 ut saw luminous trail low northeastern altitude trail 3 4 degrees soon trail began grow taller loop appeared head trail like spoon lasted 10 seconds altitude five noted bright spot upper stage loop spot magnitude 2 loop became enlarged spot visible middle loop shaped trail appeared round bright spot minute spot disappeared fuzzy trails visible low luminous trails still visible 01 45 ut morning sky phenomenon caused russian rocket n't know satellite launches near , may rocket experiment since 1969 observed 80 rocket phenomena finland rocket experiments \( military missile tests \? \) , experiments chemical releases years observed 17 satellite launches leo ursa astronomical association phone 358 0 satellite rocket phenomena sect fax 358 0 9 c 54 bbs 358 0 fin helsinki inter leo fi finland
jet uk \( richard \) subject triple des keywords des organization joint european torus lines 22 seen various references recently could anyone tell \? context , would guess means encrypting block 3 times , different key time , 'd like sure replies email preferred news unreliable thanks , richard pgp public key available request pgp public key available request disclaimer please note personal view construed official comment jet project
kjell hut fi \( kjell \) subject 4 pr drivers needed organization helsinki university technology lines 17 distribution comp reply kjell hut fi nntp posting host cs hut fi hello ! could anybody kind tell date possible ftp location recent win 3 1 printer drivers canon bj 10e canon 4 would really appreciate could help thanks advance ! kjell hut fi kjell hut fi kjell vipunen hut fi
gjp sei cmu edu \( george pandelios \) subject cherry new pens \? organization software engineering institute lines 25 article d88 1 cs cmu edu , lli cs cmu edu \( lori iannamico \) writes cherry announcing penguins games yeah , \( quote pgh 's goofy mayor \) i'm queen well , majesty , \) , could n't picture \? cherry starts first post game interview barrasso tommy gives little look \( like somebody shoe \) proceeds give sher wood could put pay per view ! hope good laugh ! george george j pandelios internet gjp sei cmu edu software engineering institute usenet sei ! gjp 4500 fifth avenue voice \( 412 \) 268 7186 pittsburgh , pa 15213 fax \( 412 \) 268 5758 disclaimer opinions reflect software engineering institute , sponsors , customers , clients , affiliates , carnegie mellon university fact , resemblence opinions individual , living dead , fictional real , purely coincidental
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject welcome police state usa lines 72 organization university tennessee division continuing education article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu , slp9k cc usu edu writes batf left beginning , looked koresh 's personality instead thought , guns bigger guns let 's go get 'em ! botched day one n't first place conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush 're doubt aware , phill , probably five six different , mutually contradictory versions events waco feb 28 reputable news sources , ranging associated press time newsweek earliest reports issued ap flattering batf , produced question fired first , know , witness kind doubt government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell batf , letter 've sending people , says lost element surprise , went knocked door slammed faces strikes kind strange rely surprise serve warrant knocking door least questions need answered paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish paranoid made witnesses original assault stated batf initiated hostilities throwing concussion grenades reported associated press expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one phill , batf firefight bd forty five minutes find hard believe expecting peaceful citizens would n't shown live stock trailers would retreated immediately expecting citizens , show hundred officers , clearly visible video carrying sub machineguns , 3 national guard helicopters \? n't know , , said , questions need answered david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject christian morality organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 24 article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes yet still believer god concerned disposition \? beneath provide evidence would require believe \? evidence personality , given god , would find compelling \? fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love oh , difference believing god exists , loving \( instance , satan certainly believes god exists , love \) unbelievers request situations like god provide evidence compelling enough believe exists , compel love first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
cas org \( brooks \) subject mormon temples reply cas org organization chemical abstracts service lines 18 article athos rutgers edu , dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) writes paragraph brought mind question \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement ressurection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? 's whole point , david spirits separated bodies living spirit world , cannot undergo ordinance marriage , cannot baptized , since physical body baptized perform ordinances , behalf thanks asking brooks brooks \( cas org \) wise say \? columbus , oh way , id jacob 6 12 opinions necessarily reflect employer
bob advtech uswest com \( bob brown \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? \( long \) nntp posting host advtech uswest com organization uswest advanced technologies lines 24 article npri6 npri com , murphy npri6 npri com \( david p murphy \) wrote cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) yeah , big mainframes monitors factoid fabricated corrupted tidbit ordinary information \( diluted \) ok murphy npri6 npri com \( systems programmer large \) every one dead 602 cameron st great game finished alexandria , va \( 703 \) 683 9090 , kim bob brown
ces cwru edu \( steven \) subject mouse odometer \? organization computer engineering science , case western reserve university lines 15 distribution usa nntp posting host storm eeap cwru edu hello know mouse odometer windows \? seen one mac quite fun records distance , miles , travels use thanks advance steve steven conservative young , po cwru edu heart liberal old , brain
bsd9554 ultb isc rit edu \( b davidson \) subject stylewriter ii dying \? nntp posting host ultb gw isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology bought stylewriter ii couple months ago , lately , print something , notice white lines gaps running line printed 's almost like paper advancing far advancing lines replaced ink cartridge thinking might problem , lines still anyone else noticed problem \? 's best way get rid \? brian davidson internet bsd9554 ultb isc rit edu rochester institute technology bitnet bsd9554 ritvax
xenon stanford edu \( jeffrey h hsu \) subject med school admission organization computer science department , stanford university lines 61 i'm fellow applicant situation much better applied 20 schools , got two interviews , got one offer , waiting hear school let honest experiences impressions medical school admissions process numbers \( gpa , \) everything , probably important anything else fact , schools screen applicants based numbers never even look qualities course , happens , n't expect refund 50 application fee , fact got four interviews tells numbers well qualified academically mentioned one response , acceptance , denial , wait list \? assume worst , denial , still great probability acceptance somewhere interviews go \? long wait , 've called schools never contacted anything many told interview season n't heard , assume denial many rejection letters sent may late june schools still interviewing really n't think worry n't become mailbox , go , fun , proud people think medical school admissions process \? mediocre gpa , high scores , working software engineer two years computer science stanford still , think profile person best chance getting admitted something like important gpa 3 5 better top 15 subject medium importance writing speaking ability maturity motivation going medicine activities less important college university major work experience anything else want know anyway , good shape think admissions committees bound many ways numbers , would like much understand person individual sometimes thats practical getting four interviews indicator numbers hopefully , able impress character good luck , jeff
texx ossi com \( texx \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization open systems solutions inc lines 53 nntp posting host nym ossi com menon boulder colorado edu \( ravi deantha menon \) writes deja vu uiuc edu \( \) writes penile cancer thing completely must going school south pacific island tell check journal urology circumcision articles remember least 1 old jewish man \( cut birth \) developed penile cancer mean , cancer risk great , europe circumcising like crazy , teaching boy keep clean issue little proper hygiene goes long way americans hung penis consider cleaning 's way much like surgical intervention basically unnecessary peter university illinois urbana champaign recall , statistical anomaly sample involved studies certain true europeans would cutting kids right left first , use decent terms ya n't mind sci med , alt sex secondly , absolutely bogus assume american 's hung penis blah , blah think american 's n't care anything think looks nicer ask see response get others still opt circumcision due religious traditions beliefs think easier clean still others daddy think alot blindly dad done many get bogus cancer thing awhile back quack told friend mine would help prevent aids yeah right ! \( \) naive think american 's afraid sexuality oh yeah \? scene navy boot camp di son , awful ! dont ever clean thing \? recruit sir ! di hell ! recruit touch \? di \? recruit cause thats eye god , an' touch happen 40 years ago , happened 2 years ago think americans quite hung sex involved plumbing !
rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) subject tempest nntp posting host ely cl cam ac uk organization u cambridge computer lab , uk distribution na lines 37 whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes hell , set spark jammer , electrically noisy device n't work , due near field far field effect may stop someone five yards away listening , someone fifty yards away relatively unaffected unless pump hundreds watts jam neighbourhood tv 's well case government ask radio ham ! democratic governments care even right watch soap national security , dictators consider propaganda integral part national security holland cs colostate edu \( doug holland \) writes another idea use laptop computer mentioned earlier , lcd screen lot less noisy standard crt , since many laptops power supplies run 3 volts instead 5 , would considerably quieter i'm afraid n't work either pick laptop screens without problem called `low radiation' monitors also useless description turns marketing assertion rather engineering one thought might market monitor expensive military tempest kit , well enough shielded stop eavesdropping using available receivers built prototype , works , 's still sitting lab bench commercial interest exactly zero absence open standards , monitor really `low radiation' \( costs 500 dollars \) ca n't compete monitor claims `low radiation' \( whose extra cost production pretty blue sticker box \) ross
fwr8bv fin af mil subject xdm env vars organization internet lines 27 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu fin lcs mit edu hi , using xdm x11r5 ow3 xview3 sun3s sparcs running sunos 4 1 1 prior using xdm , used set path environment variables \( like manpath , helppath , arch , etc \) login file xdm , login file n't get executed therefore neither olwm root window applications know variables used displaymanager 0 resource usr lib x11 xdm xdm config succesfully pass path variable problems passing anything else ! ! ! tried home login usr lib x11 xdm xsession n't help also tried using displaymanager helppath manpath arch n't work either would appreciate help matter thanks advance , shash shash chatterjee email fwr8bv fin af mil ec software phone \( 817 \) 763 1495 lockheed fort worth company fax \( 817 \) 777 p box 748 , ft worth , tx
abc wrc xerox com \( \) subject turning photographic images thermal print negatives organization xerox lines 24 article 1993apr28 seq uncwil edu hawks seq uncwil edu \( david hawks \) writes business end product photograph take damaged black whites , usually old , , repair hand present would like using computer trying find vendor convert computer stored images negatives thermal print customer want copy much possible like brand new original several crt film writers around , also might called matrix \? , pretty sure companies sell equipment might want talk company area presentation slides offers graphics services machines might point local vendor 's question money units essentially high res crts plus filter wheel plus 35mm camera computer hook david p currently shooting slides next talk one machines
regmad gsusgi2 gsu edu \( michael de kraker \) subject packet radio pc article gsusgi1 regmad organization georgia state university lines 21 koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes i'm looking information regarding packet radio implementation pc software , hardware , whatever please e mail info koberg spot colorado edu thanks try rec radio packet michael de kraker georgia state university 404 651 internet regmad gsusgi2 gsu edu bitnet regmad packet iterate human , devine
subject items sale must sell koutd hiram edu \( douglas kou \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hiram edu lines 62 items sale package bought throught award give away company attempted cancel order received package , late company refused take package back refund know truth would never get 697 back , wish get money back close possible package 3d camera takes good picture , never used came wide angle flesh , carring case , film , instruction video four lens created 3d effect regular 35mm film jewelry came package additional gift vacation voucher voucher good two rt airfare users get special hotel rate 27 per person per night meals , ground transfer , hotel tax included las vegas , reno , orlando voucher provides one rt airfare , hotel accomodation 3 days 2 nights meals , ground transfer , hotel tax included voucher good 3 locations , ca n't travel 3 places cancun , mexico voucher provides one rt airfare , hotel accomodation 3 days 2 nights meals ground transfer , hotel tax included usual paid 697 whole package try cold blooded make offer details would provided request wish sell whole package looking vacation vouchers , n't care sell camera higher interested camera , could treat vacation vouchers gift receive letter mail box says selected part least one five awards trust , would get exactly package one award given away n't bother even call back , really interested , could get cheaper price could receive package within week \( waited three months get first final packages \) also , would ask credit card number pay interest credit card company spend could get cheaper price interested , please reply soon posible really wish get make offer , confortable offer , would send package u p next day morning details could given wish please contact koutd hirama hiram edu douglas kou hiram college e mail address koutd hirama hiram edu
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject christianity repeated lives organization shell oil lines 17 article may 11 02 38 37 1993 athos rutgers edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet writes n't origen usually cited prestigious proponent reincarnation among christian thinkers \? views , relate christian scriptures \? appears believed view condemned action , often taken condemnation idea reincarnation actually condemned doctrine pre existence soul birth similar , exactly thing larry overacker \( shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
dino inqmind bison mb ca \( tony stewart \) subject making odd resistor values required filters organization inquiring mind bbs 1 204 488 1607 lines 29 nessie mcc ac uk \( ian hawkins \) writes constructing active filters , odd values resistor often required \( e something like 3 14 k ohm resistor \) \( seems best choose common capacitor values cope strange resistances demanded \) pd program work best make resistance , given fixed resistors standard 12 values per decade \? \( 1 , 1 2 , 1 5 , 1 8 , 2 2 , 3 3 etc \) common enough problem , yet cant recall program tells rx ry rz gives rq , starting q finding prefered values x , z cheers ian h trying choose resistor tolerance better 1 , need screen devices , ca n't made adding 2 1 value parallel , since smaller device error 1 cope 3 choices \) live error 1 tolerance devices low q circuits low sensitivity designs b \) buy resistors better 1 tolerance \( dale \) c \) use 's \( select test \) dino inqmind bison mb ca inquiring mind bbs , winnipeg , manitoba 204 488 1607
levin bbn com \( joel b levin \) subject biological alchemy lines 19 nntp posting host fred bbn com mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu writes biological alchemy \( another form cold fusion \) gee , 'd forgotten nut un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics astronomy , uw ec know \( prove \) b stands case
eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) subject part n't understand \? reply eeb1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 44 article 1993apr26 advtech uswest com steven advtech uswest com \( steve novak \) writes eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes , course , possibility existed meaning student really gave shit could moment silence , makes sense forcing want participate take part reason organized moment silence \? moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? whole point , maybe everyone n't want participate maybe without somebody set time n't good deleted list non religious reasons one might want moment silence dead classmate maybe everyone n't want silent teachers give pompous non religious speeches assembly know n't \? blindly opposing everything flavor religion utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything flavor religion supported taxpayer money way keep christianity becoming official u religion please provide documentation opposing things actively religious \( e g actual prayer , amen moment silence , mandatory classes religion \) things possible uncertain religious implications \( e g moments silence , bible shelves reading period \) way prevent state religion pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions safe , legal , early , rare
scott hpcvccl cv hp com \( scott linn \) subject amd i486 clones legal us \? ! \? ! \? ! nntp posting host hpcvccl cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa distribution na lines 16 rtsg mot com \( mark \) writes poe wharton upenn edu writes friend mine called phone told cnn saw report ruling prohibiting amd selling i486 clones thrown , making legal amd ship us yep , news great news consumers bad news intel stock dropped quite chunk announcement scott linn scott hpcvccl cv hp com
sneakers \( ken yee \) subject tiff anything \? ! lines 11 article 1993apr21 yang earlham edu joshuaf yang earlham edu writes tiff anything programs ibm \? scanner works tiff , view cshow 8 1 , programs read errors basic tiff jpeg , gif , pcx , bmp , etc \? try winjpeg oak oakland edu pub msdos windows3 zip tiff support graphics workshop also converts formats ken
lth se \( tomas moeller \) subject wanted scott microsoft organization lund institute technology , sweden lines 13 hello ! days ago got mail concerning bitmap stretching scott microsoft redmond wa , usa really would like answer back , lost email address scott anybody knows email address reads , please mail address answer mail please mail lth se thanks tomas
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject doctrine original sin organization university victoria lines 49 wkuvx1 bitnet writes , n't sinned , come short glory god \( romans 3 23 \) \? cite scripture claim even babes require baptism neglect sin imputed law \( romans 5 13 \) therefore , someone capable comprehending god 's laws accountable living book life removed make conscious decision disobey god idler babies supposed baptised n't bible ever say never comes right says people know right wrong taught baptised christ say assure , one enter god 's kingdom without born water spirit surprised tell must begotten could everyone born original sin \? \( presume quoting john 3 3 7 \) 1 king james bible says except man born water spirit , cannot enter kingdom god \( john 3 5 \) \( man adult \) \( however , could quibble translations \) 2 also analyze lord addressing marvel said unto thee , ye must born \( john 3 7 \) jesus clearly directing remarks nicodemus ruler jews \( child \) 3 ask lord would even introduce concept spiritual birth baptism newborn babies n't free sin \? idler yup , john 3 5 man original better translation one enter , nrsv course 3 7 , jesus addressing person came places nt deals children 've mentioned postings clh
jrwaters eos ncsu edu \( jack rogers waters \) subject cagers thunk \? organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 19 article 1993apr24 1 cua edu 84wendel cua edu writes gets credit perfectly descriptive name cagers \? also anybody know term first used thanks yesterday seriously , ada gets credit first used late 80s bike wonder jack waters ii dod 1919 n't fear thief night one comes afternoon , i'm still asleep , worry
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject gun like american express card distribution usa 1993apr19 csd news 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu lines 59 article 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu , andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) says freeman 's love accuracy becomes really ridiculous good let 's look sections 'll prove point point possible certain circumstances many people carry concealed illinois \( \) person commits offense unlawful use weapons knowingly \( 4 \) carries possesses vehicle concealed person except land abode fixed place business pistol , revolver , stun gun taser firearm note n't affect concealed carry \( look word except \) always helps read law commenting read law commented judging replies received semantics p g post many \( \) people p g assume ccw laws asked person asking possibility ordinary citizen getting one would also follow said person would get ccw carry person away home business would prudent carry concealed \? someone home \? note legal , lot common people qualify one andy maybe freeman prove point point relevant thing people seem care ask questions carrying concealed weapon whether carry concealed person street somewhere i'm sure many people concerned whether carry concealed home speaking someone lives illinois \( place quoted law relevant \) \) know legal handgun \( taking account city ordinances \) could care less whether carry concealed home care fact ca n't carry concealed place really counts street freeman loves accurate understand \( especially \) seems forgetting accurate facts n't always replace common sense going followup thread anymore believe useless argue points anymore thing happening freeman running around circles trying prove wrong time playing games anymore course freeman attack use common sense earlier posts advice freeman quit picky accuracy sometimes use common sense really work times jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu
nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) subject employment \( concentrate child molesters \? nntp posting host c ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard corporation , chelmsford , lines 67 article 1993apr20 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes wow , n't realized getting ! careful problem n't rich values systems make rich rich values systems make rich rich basically amount freedom choice new england 1800 entire economy based small family farm farm economy households economically , producing agricultural goods also manufactured goods , especially cloth many farm women , spun , , producing cloth family also sell , generating extra income time industrial revolution underway england 1820 's moved us , cases form mills mills could produce cloth far efficiently cheaply people home result important source home income wiped many women compelled economic circumstance go work mills lowell , mass , nashua , nh , worked 73 hour weeks deafening , dangerous conditions , living lives exposed cotton dust infectious dis due work people n't buy cheaper factory made cloth free keep buying home made variety support local economy things designed way order go system make money , everything else care goes shit \( sorry cliche \) , takes two big rich corporations achieved wealth buy stuff used case business center town also social center knew merchants business even local kids working behind counter would see people street knew could stop chat nowadays local merchants going business people shop huge anonymous malls serving regional populations hundreds thousands millions particular relationship companies business , feel particular commitment , major components defines com destroyed hand products buy malls lot cheaper due economies scale foreign manufacture , probably better , least consistent , quality constantly remind goal human society make money money n't make us happy prevents certain things making us unhappy therefore , n't shoot rich shoot conservatives ! n't blame conservatives everyone makes individual choice liberals fence guilty pretending social cultural consequences economic choices peter
erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu \( erini doss \) subject cellular antennas organization university illinois urbana lines 11 need know market cellular antenna technology today main companies market much selling \? contact people \? specs \? mail far help us ! ! erini ifp uiuc edu
tell cs unc edu \( stephen tell \) subject subliminal message flashing tv organization university north carolina chapel hill lines 25 nntp posting host cs unc edu article hpfcso fc hp com myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) writes hi research subliminal suggestion psychology paper , read one researcher flashed hidden messages tv screen 1 200ths second possible \? might even vector \( \) display , case lower limit image time anyone 's guess \( probably phosphor persistence limited \) back high school worked lab assistant bunch experimental psychologists bell labs visual perception memory experiments , used vector type displays , 1 refresh rates common case 1 sec quite practical , experimenters probably sure 5 milliseconds , 4 6 either bob myers kc0ew myers fc hp com steve steve tell tell cs unc edu h 919 968 5l estes park unc chapel hill computer science w 919 962 nc engineering lot like art circuits like , like army manuals , like 's guide galaxy
subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) organization u arizona cs dept , tucson summary ! lines 58 article bozo dsinc com perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) writes anyway , since seem one following particular line discussion , wonder many rest readership read book \? thoughts \? read first came , controversy broke put name waiting list library \( way book really offensive , none money would find way author publisher \) , read , cover cover \( use phrase seems popular right \) liked writing style little hard get used , well worth effort coming similar background \( rushdie grew bombay muslim family , moved england grew new \) , made strong impression \( used many strange constructions indian english end sentence , , occasional phrase , etc \) time still sorta kinda thought muslim , could n't see flap seemed clear allegory clear described local prostitutes took names muhammed 's wives , \( grandfather \) implied muhammed 's wives prostitutes short , every angry muslim read even part book seemed missed point completely \( wo n't mention fact militant never even seen book oops , ! \) perhaps deep sense , book insulting islam , exposes revealed religion omnipotent deity need agent \? come directly , ca n't \? know muhammed n't go desert smoke something \? know scribes dictated quran n't screw , put little verses \? muhammed marry four women , muslim allowed \? \( although think biggest insult islam majority followers would want suppress book , sight unseen , say holy guy mention murder author \) years , made point , various primarily muslim posters responded , saying yes indeed read book called things filth lies , would rank rushdie 's book hitler 's mein worse , much response tried talk book really silly argument , many people read mein kampf \? made wonder afraid \? n't read book decide \? maybe reaction muslim community book , absence protest liberal muslims khomeini 's fatwa outrage , final push needed atheism ! shamim mohamed uunet , noao , cmcl2 ! arizona ! shamim shamim cs arizona edu take cross garlic 's mezuzah 's jewish page koran 's muslim 's zen buddhist , 're member league programming freedom write lpf uunet uu net
kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? distribution na organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca lines 39 nntp posting host summit wpd sgi com article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) writes finally , 'd like point many high obp guys draw walks pitchers afraid throw strike , great eye comes periodically , n't get take , example , mark mcgwire walked 90 times 1993 's potential great example 're talking n't know let 's look happens mcgwire n't walk 75 time made 10 time hit single 5 time hit double 10 time hit homer , 're pitching mcgwire would trade 20 walks 2 homers , 1 double , 2 singles , 15 outs \? would give base get 3 times 4 \? n't say pitcher 's fear throwing strikes guys like mcgwire , bonds , frank thomas rational said exists guys like alex cole , career 363 obp even though 's never batting average 300 \( hit 300 227 ab 1990 \) hit single home run yep , 's right , 's never hit homer 916 ab 's end 1992 'd afraid throw strike \? n't know alex cole 's batting style questions tall \? go like rickey pete rose \? foul lot pitches like brett butler \? take 1 2 strikes bat \? could cole good batting eye look , said many high obp guys draw walks pitchers afraid throw strike , high obp guys ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com \( 415 \) 390 3536
stephen j andrew cmu edu subject encryption chips organization junior , mechanical engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 8 distribution inet nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu anyone know get hold secure encrypting chips devices banned completely \? ! \? steve encryption outlawed , outlaws encryption
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject comparing saabs bmw 's organization university westminster lines 7 dont know saabs whenever magazine always say 're little annoying keep occuring every often would n't expect car n't anything like ever happen bmws \? maybe 're cars \) \( ! \) shaz
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject waco burnout lines 94 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article noose ecn purdue edu , garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes article 1993apr19 hemlock cray com , rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes looks like branch davidian morning police \( fbi batf \) started ramming holes walls buildings shooting tear gas shortly , fire began buildings compound one davidian member come authorities saying branch davidian members seen starting fire looks like witnesses dispute claim 90 adults 19 children compound funny , fire seemed start right hand side building next tank backing away , though ! probably coincidence watch videotape carefully , cnn coverage fairly decisive first fire starts tower , three high flag right picture second fire starts another tower similar first two high flag left camera picture shows fire starting thus camera pictures show fire starting two separate locations fbi report third able verify videotape however someone else identified fire shown starting behind small tower second \( flag left \) camera angle flames coming building yellow orange normal colour carbon compounds burning flames solid confined liquid burning , gas exploding explosion occurs mid way along building certainly explosive though cloud fire would seem likely sort fuel oil store exploding rather explosion magazine funny , considering great cache explosives ammunition , etc compound , see series explosions depends entirely distributed would able identify ammunition rounds going video camera coverage mile away fbi release pictures armoured vehicles \( presumably exist \) might possible get clearer picture anyone expects see explosions hollywood style aka rambo movies remember real life cars burst flames going cliffs could expect would see grenades going since building designed blast proof extent would difficult distinguish grenades going collapse building due fire , oops , automatic weapons probably burnt fire witnesses paranoia unless , see videotapes showing davidians starting fire , guess may problem believing feds saying saw , didn`t manage tape everything else would n't beleive fbi showed picture koresh setting light place mindset simply unable accept true anything might suggest group heavily armed weapons fanatics might indeed wrong gun lobby ca n't accept b set light place would mean murdered 17 children , would mean taking account murder 4 batf agents would even less credible start koresh 51 days come hands face fair trial instead ordered murder everyone place phill hallam baker
mufti pls com subject including color pixmap xpm files application organization personal library software , inc lines 10 portable convenient way use color picture files xpm format define x pixmap motif application \? functions , pointers , tips etc would welcome saad mufti personal library software e mail mufti pls com
cbnewsb cb att com \( david boyle \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization distribution usa lines 11 comments deleted wrong ! ! butane used butane lighter 's use petroleum btw wanna find benzene take look spray cleaner stuff take adhesive paint melt plastic n't melt plastic , least n't melted plastic bottle bought yet maybe 'd better go check bottle , awhile \)
pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) subject organized lobbying cryptography reply pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) organization edinburgh university lines 10 quoting amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) article khb news intercon com george tessi com \( george mitchell \) writes guns offensive cryptography defensive see difference \? nope information , properly delivered , deadly lead true lemon pie paul crowley pdc dcs ed ac uk trust know i'm x fold fish jesus !
adobe com \( michael wang \) subject waco panama organization adobe systems inc , mountain view , california , usa lines 32 article 1993apr21 922 cs okstate edu kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes completely agree illegal invasion panama something mr bush never answer remember , lot civilians get killed , american soldiers died arresting petty dictator 's icing cake knowledge flow drugs panama n't slowed removal noriega , good remove power \? cigarette cops fbi killing branch davidians waco equally reprehensible btw , 've cross posted article p want hear knowledgable people whether arrest noriega affected drug trade way arrest noriega major adverse effect drug trade going panama money continues panama 's main industry fact , bigger noriega arrested 1 panama 's current administration also ties cocaine 2 large amounts cocaine still flow panama regular basis 3 oh well sources \( book drugs america vincent \) 1 irs criminal investigations divison 2 new york times 3 u state department michael wang mv us adobe com
pbhandar tsegw tse com \( parminder bhandari \) subject info audi 90 \( used \) organization toronto stock exchange distribution rec lines 10 thinking buying used audi 90 auto cars look good audi good rep cars europe \( i'm \) wondering anything cars know parms
cs utah edu cs utah edu \( joseph \) subject dataport 14 4k fax modem special ! originator cs utah edu organization university utah cs dept lines 53 sale dataport internal 14 4k fax modem modem internal \( e \) isa 8 bit card \( little longer half card \) v 32bis 14 data 9600 bps fax , v 42 , v 42bis , mnp5 error correction data compression , get error free links 57 , 600 bps conventional phone line fall back speed \( \) even disable compression error correction necessary order connect slower older modems 16550 buffered uart better compatibility multi tasking operating systems \( windows , os 2 , unix , etc \) use patented technology called optical line interface \( \) reduces noise generated modem assure fastest cleanest connection possible modems come lifetime warranty free lifetime tech support \( call free , \) also include lovely talented ii dos new ii windows communications fax software let conveniently sent faxes dos windows application printing windows version send faxes font include graphics , etc dos version fax graphics limited set fonts \( believe 5 , well hp laser ii resident fonts \) i'm asking 210 00 modem \( plus utah tax \) prices \( reputable \) manufacturer equivalent modem \( including zoom , us robotics , etc \) , backed company never go away price include delivery live within 20 miles downtown slc also arrange shipping , stop home pick \( 're concerned installing internal modem , let know discuss arrangement including installation \) 're interested , please let know excellent modem excellent price \( normally list 500 retail 300 \) installed one last week nice questions , info number \( 800 \) 554 , email answer modem go highest bidder get within next week thanks pete
dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host dil adp unc edu organization unc office information technology lines 13 part , newsgroup attack oriented microsoft attacked anything ranging quality products , intelligence people , integrity business , etc anyone would get defensive attacked human beings well expect response claim employee might feel unwarranted leveled ignore attacks look sales numbers ms stock price need gratification keep great job done past thx dave l
gomer pitt edu \( richard j coyle \) subject lemieux 's getting hart jeez hope ! organization university pittsburgh lines 15 article 22apr93 02956996 0062 unbvm1 csd unb ca f1hh unb ca \( patrick walker \) writes \( much mindless drivel deleted \) sorry ramble see hate mario pat walker unb question canadian folk university new brunswick branch campus western business school \? seems like sort rectal belongs rick
golf phoenix oulu fi \( jouko kylmaoja \) subject finland norway wc organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 12 finns best last night played norway world champs two periods score still 0 0 game quite much similar first game finland played \( france \) norwegian goalie good bit lucky , third period juha scored 1 0 rebound , time around 5 mins second goal scored kari , shot straight faceoff behind goalie saku koivu , 18 year old center got first point tournament saku koivu played well game awarded best player game prize despite fact quite small size handles puck well fast skater think hear guy future
bbn com \( juan g \) subject furniture sale organization bolt beranek newman \( bbn \) lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host bbn com keywords furniture , sale posted friend brand new condition \( less 2 years old \) full size bed mattress , box spring , frame 135 white night table 2 drawer \( \) 60 white dresser 6 drawer plus mirror \( \) x 32 height 170 white 35 entertainment center natural wood color 55 coffee table glass top base \( \) 135 two white floor lamps 15 one table 8 four chairs 5 interested call lourdes \( 617 \) 277 6 10pm \( 617 \) 492 5pm
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject box score woes organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 29 article 1993apr15 195452 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes anybody figure box score abbreviations make absolutely sense \? \( least local rag finds way door \) must stared mets' box good 30 seconds morning wondering hell would n't make sense use \? 've seen also blame associated press official scorer balances official score card , copy give several people one person ap whose job type \( using template laptop \) transmit ap offices new york \( rockefeller center \) via telephone box scores checked ap 's news delivery services corrections , issued later person sitting front laptop shea \( whereever \) whose fault note ap puts boxscores three different formats one see newspapers first one last week denver maybe ap person denver \( remember , started mlb \) check tomorrow 's paper \( 4 21 \) see person shea thing scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
cds ossi com \( chris \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! distribution na organization open systems solutions inc lines 29 nntp posting host ossi com random thoughts riding passenger 's substitute bike sufficient power , taken passengers occasionally small \( 125 etc \) bikes used ride uk hard ! i'm riding 's great , even moving riding recently may due part fact neither , regular passengers , particularly ! always tell passengers , stay line bike corners , makes movements predictable regular passengers tend hold either rack nothing , n't really like passenger hold onto except short periods may biased fact 've couple new passengers \( friend recently first time bike \) hold real tight , making kind maneuvering difficult 've also discovered longer trips prefer passenger moves shifts weight bit recently took work meeting \( 1 hour ride \) sat totally still whole way left also sitting still getting sore back code system turns , stop 'i need shift chris , fujitsu open systems solutions inc phone 1 510 652 hollis street , , ca , usa fax 1 510 652 dod per , sun
morgan com \( jerry \) subject astronauts weightlessness feel like \? keywords weightlessness organization morgan stanley lines 17 nntp posting host katana understand one orbit , inward force gravity one 's center mass exactly balanced outward force orbiting motion , resulting weightlessness want know weightlessness actually feels like example , constant sensation falling \? motion sickness astronauts occasionally experience \? please reply either former current astronaut , someone discussion first hand astronaut thanks ! jerry morgan com compuserve com
sdf lonestar org \( stephen jones \) subject fs drum acc , analog synth , computer things cheap ! organization super dimension fortress public access unix dallas , tx lines 82 hitachi cd player \( needs cd spin motor \) 30 shipped joysticks ibm apple joystick three fire buttons apple joy stick \( c e \) kraft track ball make offers vision items two working consoles w working controllers great shape one roller ball controller two super action one joystick games sa baseball sa rocky sa football vic 20 c64 rf make offer raid fort knox omega race early 80 's acoustic guitar top back , sides neck adjustable bridge , plays nice small hole side jack \( pickup one time \) 175 shipping yamaha cs 5 analog synthesizer three octave keyboard vco single oscillator range 2' tone sources saw tooth , square , noise external sound modulated cut , resonance , mod , envelope generator depth pitch bend slider , cv , trigger , external tone source keyboard perfect working order colored black white 150 shipping drum stuff north heavy duty hi hat stand 45 older stand definately working shape could use little clean comes clutch , etc pearl bass drum pedal felt 20 cymbal stand 15 \( needs work cymbal stem \) 20 ride cymbal 55 main line older ride cymbal ludwig snare stand 10 okay snare stand like though \) shipping extra please email questions anything , please email stephen jones sdf system administrator sdf lonestar org cs e
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject cruel organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 41 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes well , stated painless death n't cruel , n't think stated painful executions cruel think cruel , depending nature duration pain hanging certainly painful , let condemned know going die \? anything instant , guess death , blood loss would cruel , think \( includes gas chamber , drawing \) 'd say pain lasts , say , twenty seconds would long \( may arbitrary cutoff , suppose \) hanging supposed pleasant believe actuality , quick clean however , gas chambers quite non painful heck , give good time \? oxide ! \) private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization stratus computer , inc lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) writes article rdt usenet ins cwru edu , bu008 cleveland freenet edu perhaps 've rock last days \? batf fbi federal agencies clinton admitted front news cameras janet reno \( future attorney general \) gave full briefing planned , gave go ahead maybe , possibly , makes bit responsible \? perhaps 've rock since , say , turn century one man supposed review every single freaking governmental action , every day \? 's executive branch reviewed plan said go , n't architect n't , hand , implementing yes , responsible sense briefed ! shit happens hey , joe assuming 're old enough remember feel presidential responsibility every time reagan said n't recall arms hostages meetings ollie north gang \? feel bush said loop decision right thick \? oh , right responsible sense briefed , shit happens ! said \? joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization chinet public access unix lines 20 arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes gt5311b prism gatech edu \( bhattacharya , abhijit \) writes doubt koresh let batf look inside place intended , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust would never come pass know knock search grenades \? , koresh closed door agent search warrant , door rain bullets inside shot first koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) 1993apr20 883 batman bmd trw com 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 62 unmitigated 've seen jim brown obviously possession right wing token diplomatic alternatives , including sanctions , ineffective december , former national security told senate committee sanctions costing iraq 100 million per day , coalition could take time world iraq , suggested , losing badly every day un demands , community nations every day taking life loss life washington newsletter world full evil , circumstances perfect many innocents suffer due wrongful actions others regretable , 's way wrongful actions murderers like leaders us government , perhaps \? regrettable , course way certainly media totally monolithic even conservative sources know look \( hurrah rush ! \) good heavens ! rush land ! conservative , ass btw , reason brought blanket bombing germany bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable yet blanket bombing instituted bombing n't accurate enough hit industrial military targets decisive way method time gulf war , precision bombing norm bullshit ! ! ! gulf massacre , 7 ordnance used smart rest 's 93 regular , dumb ol' iron bombs stuff forgotten pentagon definition successful patriot launch missile cleared launching tube damage \? successful interception scud defined patriot scud passed area sky \? 7 smart stuff , 35 hit try follow means 65 smart arsenal missed stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk prove source says date , civilian death count \( er , excuse , mean collateral damage \) 200 , 000 one attempted calculate costs execution washington state , studies elsewhere suggest costs far incarceration california spending 90 million annually capital cases , year n't executed anyone since 1972 texas , national leader number executions , spends estimated 2 3 million per execution compares average cost incarceration washington state 25 , 000 per maximum security prisoner per year shamim mohamed uunet , noao , cmcl2 ! arizona ! shamim shamim cs arizona edu take cross garlic 's mezuzah 's jewish page koran 's muslim 's zen buddhist , 're member league programming freedom write lpf uunet uu net
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject dod confessional nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 52 article 1993apr21 551 bnr ca mbeaving bnr ca writes ca n't help 've tried rational , look way , everytime happens , hate motorcycles hah newbie bait everyone knows first motorcycle n't built pre '80 's motorcycles ! first thought phase though would get used n't happen tried gazing 900 customs , time hurled large \( also picture german tourists cheering taking holiday snaps , ca n't figure part \) 've watching much northern exposure \? everytime read sig containing wheel wonder , shudder feel pity poor soul suffered enough \? wheels \? imagine owner \( \) living discarded box , tucked next cx500 obviously , bait everyone knows n't discard boxes even 've become , 're make great poor boy 's mechanic 's cx500 \? \? i'm hoping deliverance okay let 's hear like pig past milwaukee machine , actually begin understand preaching must hope beware fanatical preaching , lest residents waco , texas set huge bar honor jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
jimd cae prds cdx mot com \( jim \) subject ibm pc xt switches \? organization none distribution comp sys ibm pc hardware lines 13 old ibm pc xt motherboard two banks dip switches \( eight switches per bank \) need know switch required install hard disk anyone archived documentation would help \? thanks jim jimd cae prds cdx mot com jim email \( x 400 \) email mot com motorola codex k jimd cae prds cdx mot com c3 100 voice 617 821
dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) subject head head win os 2 nntp posting host dil adp unc edu organization unc office information technology lines 21 really think comparing apples oranges nobody disputes os 2 big os features question individual need power sales windows vs os 2 answer question next question even want run os 2 big monster machine run , diverse set applications run allow work go local computer store answer one think comparison need nt vs os2 2 1 new battle lines drawn windows 3 1 single user pc war next one client server war entries nt , os2 2 1 , unix netware 4 0 granted os 's eventually scaled attractive single user pc probably phase ii' war wins marketplace tell sure fun watching arguing tho thx dave l
matess gsusgi1 gsu edu \( eliza strickler \) subject donwloaded bin file unix machine \? organization georgia state university lines 42 niko iastate edu \( e \) writes article matess gsusgi1 gsu edu matess gsusgi1 gsu edu \( eliza strickler \) writes donwloaded bin file unix machine supposed converted mac format anyone know need file get dos , mac unix readable format someone mentioned fetch unix machine correct \? could someone explain bin format little \? almost certainly macbinary file encoded version mac file resource fork data fork get preserved need program converts regular file macbinary file , may downloaded text mode probably corrupt \( \) 're using ftp transfer point make sure type binary first open file text editor find \( file must converted bin top , binhex file decoded binhex 4 0 \( among programs \) opened file text editor looks like e already tried binhex seem work ideas \? niko project vincent systems manager email niko iastate edu iowa state university computation center voice \( 515 \) 294 ames ia 50011 snail 291 durham 0 0 elizabeth strickler 0 \( matess gsusgi1 gsu edu
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject welcome police state usa lines 89 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article ctron news ctron com , smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) writes paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one stupid paranoid assertion , surviving witnesses , batf tanks , aware either batf fbi using yesterday use maximum force first day got four officers killed surviving witnesses members cult pray tell \? \? stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police underarmed \? , loaded bear every picture shows wearing bullet proof vests ! using concussion grenades full auto weapons , missing low yield tac nukes \? transparent attempt justification ridiculous amount force used , initially yesterday ashamed discussion whether bush would done anything differently basis panama , grenada , tripoli , etc decided bush would asked surgical used cruise missile , people suggested would used nuke warhead cruise , others pointed would cheap use 'em missing \? armoured vehicles ! anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear sure fire method keep bottled talk death surrender without giving justification looney tune religious stunt phil , 've reading postings months i'm convinced back anything , matter damaging may anyone else 's rights think hurt people n't like 's people attitude set preconditions holocaust , process place country , even , pitiful remains constitution slowing progress n't libertarian issue , others may argue line , strictly constitutional view democratic gov't , fbi batf wrong , wrong , wrong , even reasons trying arrest koresh 100 right anything leads deaths 17 children , nothing else touches stoney heart , wrong matter pushed button god 's sake , man , get morality back person murdered 17 children koresh kept brought deaths deliberately may consider complete bastard nice chap thats quite true n't pretend nice amateurs try want talk politics talking hard decisions whether lives troops risked attempting rescue children anyone held office president united states since fdr held threat usa allies threatened usa would risk nuclear holocaust order protect freedom beleive , sort threat nice chaps make gun nutters section us version chance \? cases society protected madmen koresh hitler consideration 17 children question tactics used would matter anything academic significance govt prevent people commiting mass suicide latest reports cult members shot attempting leave compound koresh fire proven would entail final nail coffin want promote koresh sort role model hero need hardly add koresh created holocaust case deliberate arson ranch phill hallam baker
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject death penalty \( political atheists \? \) organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 46 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes fascinating atheists argue abortion , defend homosexuality means population control , insist values biological condemn war capital punishment according benedikt , something contardictory , cannot exist , case means atheists suppose would like understand atheist object war \( excellent means controlling population growth \) , capital punishment , i'm sorry logic escapes first , seem assume atheists think alike atheist believe existence god opinions issues capital punishment abortion , however , vary greatly attacking views particular atheist \( benedikt , presume \) , please present argument lump us together issues , let 's start abortion personally , support abortion means population control contraception fact however , support right woman abortion , regardless personal views may , would arrogant tell individual may may body , domain legislators extend uterus 's opinion , sure many atheists theists would disagree defend homosexuality means population control , certainly defend end think homosexuals would angered hear anyone characterizing personal relationship nothing conscious effort keep population levels atheists believing values biological , idea 're talking finally , issues war capital punishment atheist object either one easily theist might seem hung supposed link atheism population control could atheist cause referring posts back \? kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad cs vt edu blacksburg , virginia \( 703 \) 232 6529
daveb pogo wv tek com \( dave butler \) subject objectivity \( 2000 years \) organization tektronix , inc , wilsonville , lines 83 discussion objective seems falling \( eg recent challenge frank , someone prove actually observe phenomena \) someones even made statement science subjective even atom subjective getting bit silly word objective losing meaning lets start remembering definition objective already presented objective adj 1 material object distinguished mental concept 2 actual existence 3 emotion personal prejudice b based observable phenomenon objectivity thing based whether everyone agrees thing \( eg world objectively round , regardless fact exist flat earthers \) , rather whether based observable verifiable phenomenon \( instead based solely peoples wishes , feeling , mental processes , etc \) thus atoms , based observable repeatable phenomenon , indeed considered objective rather subjective even weird , high energy physics based observable phenomenon \( even though observation change outcome \) observable phenomenon affected emotion , personal prejudice \( eg chemical reactions change whims different people \) thus say science objective \( ie objectively verifiable \) bit silly , point science agree science objectively good thereby conclude though science objective examples things objective 12 tractor larger average green seawater contains salt exists ozone atmosphere \( least presently \) ozone blocks ultraviolet light ultraviolet light increases incidents skin cancer good hand value judgement n't seem existence apart give \( unless someone objectively show existence omnipotent entity defined good \) cannot quantify , touch collect concrete sense \( eg bag full good \) sometimes attempt give word good objective meaning , e g good used denote strength , , speed , etc though , subjective definition , might see strength etc , necessarily good \( eg strength inspired generally viewed good \) morality , cannot say ever seen morality strictly based verifiable observable phenomenon closest seen form golden rule , concludes best deliberately piss people , likely involve life , manner wo n't like verifiable get someone 's face , often retaliate another objective fact morality powerful group enforce morality weaker group , thus times , ignore form golden rule without fear whether enforcing morality good bad , quite subjective way , remember subjective mean thing cannot formally stated , even commonly agreed upon means verifiable observable phenomena , physical existence unto also note stated thing objective morality , could accept morality simply stated seen evidence morality one thing notice , objective many times used synonymous true absolute , subjective sometimes connotation false relative tai n't necessarily instance , conclusion based objective , insufficient evidence , objective false absolute , easy note objectively show tnt explosive , absolutely mean tnt explode , thus objective necessarily absolute either hand , something subjective also either absolutist , true instance , theists specifically absolutist morality , even though subjective evidence back , many scientist detective motivated subjective reasons \( eg gut feeling hunch \) , investigate phenomena situation , gather objective evidence necessary support true hypothesis whole though , would agree objective evidence much trustworthy subjective evidence later , dave butler starting thesis , seems , one put forward one 's point departure something expression simple
lilak peaks enet dec com \( rod lilak \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 lines 37 reply lilak dec com organization digital equipment corporation engineering article neat cs toronto edu , cs toronto edu \( pham \) writes xref nntpd2 cxo dec com misc legal talk politics guns alt activism path nntpd2 cxo dec com ! pa dec com ! decwrl ! ames ! agate ! howland reston ans net ! zaphod mps ohio state edu ! cs utexas edu ! ! ! relay cs toronto edu ! neat cs toronto edu ! cs toronto edu ! newsgroups misc legal , talk politics guns , alt activism cs toronto edu \( pham \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 message id neat cs toronto edu organization department computer science , university toronto references 1993apr21 r node hub org date 23 apr 93 03 46 24 gmt lines 3 anyone notice clinton smiling making jokes press conference \? considering number people killed , seems inappropriate , anyone notice clinton referred davidians round spontaneous applause burst forth reporters \? poor taste , showed media 's bias hostility anyone politically correct stripe wonder kgbatf fbi whole affair rod vs individualism ancient conflict men come close truth , destroyed time one civilization fell another civilization progress toward society privacy savage 's whole existence public , ruled laws tribe civilization process setting man free men ayn rand 's speech ' n't speak company hire
david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject sj mercury 's reference fundamentalist christian parents reply david bernard central sun com organization sun microsystems lines 15 article athos rutgers edu , dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes raised oakland san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parents , mason beaten child san jose mercury news come article starting raised oakland mexican parents , mason beaten , face would red anger injustice done mexican family members although i'm neither fundamentalist evangelical , often noticed trend media short , permissable bash fundamentalists need nationality mexican try simply substitute different religion raised muslim parents , raised jewish parents paper simply would
edu pl \( krzysztof \) subject gif targa nntp posting host organization warsaw university physics dept lines 7 hello , subject says need gif targa converter , could make fli krzysztof
cleveland freenet edu \( christopher j \) subject janet reno nightline organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 8 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu 's worse show look janet reno others link words child abuse p rivate stores guns cleveland freenet edu chris \( 216 \) 327 6655 \( v \) would sacrifice essential liberties little temporary safety deserve neither liberty safety b franklin
distribution world mario murphy bmug org organization bmug , inc subject 25mhz iisi lines 16 done several upgrades \( 6 iisi 's , 1 quadra 700 \) , best thing use would sort heat sink compound possible , look silicon free stuff 's makes stuff called tech spray , address p box 949 , , tx wary using kinds tape definately n't use duct tape stuff using heat sink glue compound , use enough fill small space heat sink cpu mario murphy planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
anthony cit gu edu au \( anthony thyssen \) subject colors x windows \( \) organization griffith university lines 42 extract color readme file anthony 's icon library network discussion color coordination tried start discussion windows x' start year sort color icons follow \( say 16 32 colors including 5 colors small grey scale \) one responded problem colors icons used willy soon find workstations color table , solely window manager , icons instead applications actually require colors proper working picture graphic , animation , real time video , raytracers , etc following suggested color table icons , general use icons , window managers , general applications , follow table something like , unless application primary color \( red , green , blue \) three colors eg values 0 , 128 255 results 3 3 colors \( 27 \) representing standard colors use icons two extra shades grey eg \( black \) 0 , 64 , 128 , 196 255 \( white , red , \) 3 colors probably primary color provide shading 3 look buttons window manager table represents 32 colors represents large range workstation anthony thyssen \( griffith university \) anthony cit gu edu au gods idea amusement snakes game , terry pratchett sisters
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject blinking leds \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 53 article kepler unh edu dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) writes buy blinking leds besides radio shack \? anyone sell blinking leds variable flash rate \? \( voltage guess \) , hertz \( pulse \) rate adjustable set \? 'd like blinking leds set approx 5 hz , 10 hz , 15 hz , 20 hz something like i'm interested 's flash rates like idea leds flasher circuits already hate soldering ics general guess n't hell lot patience thanks , dana want slow led flash rates , adjustable switches \( 4066 digitally controlled switch \) , suggest looking 555 oscillator chip cost 1 radio shack \( much cheaper quantity quality places \) , able find good info simple circuits 555 notebook \( think forest one radio shack \) 'll toy resistor capacitor values use head little math get right frequencies engineer worth salt , make 555 's book , left see \( hate ascii circuit graphics \) 555 accurately go hz 500 khz \( think \) tape recorder gizmo , could alter stereo tape deck use one channel data line \( flashing led \) , one audio line \( voice music \) would eliminate lot noise data line probably easily done kind pll filter \( using op amp \) 565 chip good pll , hard work however nothing pll works , suggest n't try op amp information also found forest radio shack info , popular 741 op amp snap work setting frequency filter values easy , would suggest 555 method idea going , really generalizing manufacturing techniques , 're , suggest thing need solder wire wrap would next , permanent step lastly , soldering pcb making hope clears things squish endor harvard edu
cbnewse cb att com \( robert \) subject pc games sale \( jordan flight , \) organization keywords jordan flight , test drive iii lines 13 pc games sale games original package original docs jordan flight 30 h test drive 3 15 h obo contact bob 708 979 ihlpb att com
tom ssd csd harris com \( tom horsley \) subject real way speed ballgames organization harris computer systems division lines 24 nntp posting host amber ssd csd harris com reply ez027993 chip ucdavis edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 15 51 37 gmt real way speed ballgames home park owner offer following schedule bonuses players teams players participated game , offer 500 10 minutes less 3 hours game took \( e game took 2 5 hours , player gets bonus 1500 \) pitchers throwing 3 full innings game , extrapolate number pitches attempted number would thrown full 9 innings , offer 500 number less 120 \( pitcher throws complete game 100 pitches 5 throws first would get 7500 \) suspect could finance way presidential campaigns paid offer fan ticket says want 5 price ticket go towards fast game bonuses domain csd harris com usmail tom horsley uucp ! uunet ! hcx1 ! 511 circle beach , fl censorship form obscenity \( wait , forgot government tobacco subsidies \)
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject date stuck distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 30 04 19 93 04 09 , john bongiovanni unmitigated gall say suddenly , date longer rolls time \( reasonably \) accurate allways , change date hand every morning involves exiting menu system get dos jb hear order date advance , something , like jb clock , make get date system call \? apparently , clock jb hardware interrupt bios n't \( date advance \) jb automatically get date call notices midnight reset flag jb set , advances date program uses dos call get system , resets flag tells bios passed midnight uses flag increment date menu call system get time midnight , bios sees midnight flag , bios know day passed date get updated might dos 's bios 's mixed \( darned cold messed brains \) well documented problem years n't know workaround hope helps ! two common elements universe hydrogen stupidity blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject rumours new duos ! ! ! ! ! reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 20 bredell tdb uu se \( mats bredell \) writes paper apple sweden announced new products \( new docking station one \) , paper arrived showed price list n't know 's still called duodock plus price list , could mistake someone apple sweden ah ok n't realize talking apple division , main division , one contains people feel correct names configurations majority apple customers , generally assumed talking say apple least 's always newsgroup apple divisions , apparantly , free change names configurations feel like know apple canada kind stuff time 's mistake , 's apple sweden giving different name apple product calls hades
phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) subject using california 's antidiscrimination sort case predicted organization generally favor , mostly random lines 30 article 1993apr20 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes clayton , babe , please define word using legal term proper dictionary term \? molest , far remember , means damage person \( \) ` mate , mike , woman 's 14 molestation \? number friends \( straight \) lost virginity \? told thoroughly enjoyed experience see damage please stop pushing objective morality others push , people wo n't fall say , 're right ! ' , 'll push back signed logic course yet \? yep child tree frog johnson 6 months reportedly enjoyed experiences well trained using food fbi agent reported \( disciplinary action beating tree frog \) see 2 1 2 year old baby cheerfully tell wants peanut butter sandwich 'll suck pee pee , lose control quite sick actually people still believe love canal kind environmental disaster weird , eh \? opinions mine , ca n't 'em ! \( 'll rent 'em cheap \)
cab col hp com \( chris best \) subject ir detector 'cards' \? \? \? organization service lines 7 nntp posting host hpctdkz col hp com also really commonly avaliable states , , much sells \( maybe cant get one , 'll write one companies seas \) radio shack , part 276 099 , infrared sensor card , us 5 95
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject internet resources article zeus distribution sci organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 16 stk1203 vax003 stockton edu pontificated taking course entitled exploring science using internet final project , find compendium internet resources dealing science related topic chose astronomy anyway , wondering anyone knew interesting resources internet provide information astronomy , space , nasa , anything like one sci space faq postings deal 's archived somewhere perhaps someone post \( don' remember \) \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) n't ! nobody saw ! ca n't prove anything ! bart simpson
odin control utoronto ca \( gary leung \) subject potvin stick organization university toronto , systems control group lines 45 article 9 0 sscl uwo ca sscl uwo ca writes dino getting shots front net , expect playoff hockey anything goes lose one game regular season , 's bad lose game playoffs 's difficult thing overcome 've watched hockey \( played \) number years n't seen one post season game forward front net finished without bruises back leg leafs good job clearing net potvin forced take matters hands remember used play london knights \( \) , always nuisance front net goalies took exception also complained \( morning 's paper \) happened last night , , 's lot team 2 0 complains wonder would happen tried thing front billy smith younger ron hextall \? seems dino would need two legs dino take part game thank lucky stars 's playoffs good chance go finals well , agree 're going stand front net , expect get hit hacked general , expect finish game bruises however , fine line hacking guy \( causing pain discomfort \) blatantly attempting injure another player felix potvin , imo , crossed line wednesday two hander ciccarelli way line lost lot respect potvin showed immaturity slash ciccarelli simply try remove slot area \( legal position dino \) instead , slashed attempt injure shear frustration leaf supporter \( supporter , i'm leaf fan really \) , disappointed 're right mentioning billy smith ron hextall \( least philly days \) crossed line times reason , many fans \( players \) disliked \( 's names always comes examples talk issues \) let 's hope felix n't 'd hate see anyone \( even dino although admit n't like much \) get seriously hurt careless \( intentional \) use stick gary
david anderman ofa123 fidonet org subject space race ideas moon base cheap x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 19 although 1 billion scheme fantasy \( 's old space business called \) , good chance much smaller program \( 65 million \) pass 103rd congress back moon bill , put together people passed launch services purchase act bill would private companies develop lunar orbiters , vendors selected basis competitive bidding aggregate cap bids 65 million single rich individual paying billions lunar missions probably worse government 65 million program , delta clipper program shown \( dc x funded sdio 59 million \) clear chance making lunar mission happen decade opposed simply wishing dreams come true please support back moon bill information , please send e mail u postal service address maximus 2 01wb
evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( mark evans \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host uhura organization aston university x newsreader tin version 1 1 lines 22 richard chandler \( terminus com \) wrote elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) thank playing , obviously reading material presented according report 've got hands , newsweek article \( reported 2 3 percent population gay \) used criteria heterosexual contact past year time , university denver study points , quite dramatically , 60 self identifying gay men form heterosexual contact past year think big mistake study must one sexual contact kind previous year , counted heterosexual even n't intend way , 's figures used could someone please post date used distributed returned mark evans evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 429 9199 \( home \) evansmp cs aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 359 6531 \( office \)
subject povray tga rle craig humphrey comp vuw ac nz \( craig andrew humphrey \) reply chumphre comp vuw ac nz distribution world organization victoria university wellington new zealand nntp posting host depot comp vuw ac nz lines 33 article pageboy cs utexas edu , jhpark cs utexas edu \( park \) writes hello , problem converting tga file \( generated povray \) rle file convert , get warning message use xloadimage getx11 , something wrong edited know need install ppmtorle , spend time install even want generate rgb povray convert rle , possible \( rgb rle works , mess directory many files , needs 2 steps finally convert rle file say cat \) body experience problems \? well starters , use rle files \? might specific program needs , ok , tend convert straight jpeg format , thus 2 4meg 24bit targa file becomes less 24bit jpeg latest versions xv \( 2 2 1 \? \) xloadimage \( 3 03 \) handle jpeg files best way convert jpeg c djpeg suit even 90 quality \( ca n't see difference \) jpeg way smaller anything else even 8bit gif ! craig n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove anything craig humphrey actrix gen nz ccc c ccc c chumphre comp vuw ac nz
clewis ferret ocunix ca \( chris lewis \) subject power , signal surges home article organization elegant communications inc , ottawa , canada lines 36 article rave larc nasa gov kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) writes article drand spinner osf org drand spinner osf org \( douglas rand \) writes article randall woof randall informix com \( randall rhea \) writes hams legally run 1500 watts unlikely , however , ham would running kind power car ham rigs possible either 'd need 300 amp alternator amplifier see need slow downgrade , hit push talk button , indeed possible good friend mine running 1 kw pep car yes , second alternator yes , calls rig electronic brake since engine noticeably slows key since knew electronics ham radio , seem remember pep actually 4x real power makes pep actually around 2x \? effective transmitted power also odd , takes account antenna height geometry tv station might advertise \( antenna top cn tower \) like sears hp \) though , 1500 real watts still n't impossible 125 150a 12v alternator , less alternator produces higher voltages 's three horsepower \( taking account \) 'll feel hit key much chris lewis clewis ferret ocunix ca phone canada 613 832 psroff 3 0 info psroff request ferret ocunix ca ferret list ferret request ferret ocunix ca
eerik iastate edu \( eerik j villberg \) subject octane \? organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 8 ethanol \? 's available corn country octane rated 89 90 costs normal 87 octane eerik j villberg p people eerik iastate edu e eating 4208 harris street tasty ames ia 50010 animals
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject diamond stealth help ! organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 64 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware redmond cs cmu edu \( redmond english \) subject diamond stealth help ! date wed apr 21 16 54 39 1993 hello , diamond stealth vram card \( older version dip switches back \) two problems 1 \) 've lost manual ! ! ! 2 \) machine network card , everything works fine run windows , network connection dies \( case 's important , network card smc arcnet 8 bit compatable card 's address 's ram base address d000 's also using irq 2 \) shown 54 , press space , quit , 'h' help believe file diamond bboard explains sort , manual , n't know bboard number , please help many following possible \) send diamond bbs number b \) e mail \( post \) dip switch settings card \( fax \( 412 \) 521 \) c \) tell i'm wrong , get everything working help would much appreciated thanks advance , red end file , press return quit date thu apr 22 02 38 16 1993 redmond cs cmu edu subject diamond stealth help ! diamond bbs 2400 baud 1 408 730 1100 9600 baud 1 408 524 voice 1 408 736 2000 fax 1 408 730 sam press return continue gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
positron quip eecs umich edu \( jonathan haas \) subject quotes requested organization university michigan eecs dept , ann arbor lines 11 need quotes jefferson , hamilton , madison , founders , support idea second amendment written constitution populace could protect government began degenerate \( sources \) , please mail thanks jonathan haas jake liked women way liked university michigan kiwi fruit sweet yet , firm positron eecs umich edu yet yielding touch , finger pgp 2 2 key covered short brown fuzzy hair
flipper unit \( stig \) subject promise caching ide controller keywords promise technology caching ide organization unit lines 46 article dove nist gov gov \( david 303 497 \) writes looking help right place anyone experience promise technology caching ide controller \? ordered one , 110 512k installed , questions 1 easy use \? need kind tsr 's , completely transparent system board , wo n't change bios configuration \? yes , 's easy use 's like ordinary controller n't change bios config 2 transparent ide drive \? work drive configured explicity type drive installed \? 's transparent works drive change drive need change bios config usual 3 work dual drive system \( master slave \) \? yes , problem 4 , need smartdrive dos buffers \? depends get little better performance use smartdrive buffers addition 's access card isa bus slower access system ram n't use smartdrive , buffers 5 promise technology controller good one \? information would greatly appreciated thanks ! david gov anything stated opinion ! rule great people greatly admire appear thinking deep thoughts , probably thinking lunch stig
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject tigers win pitching duel \( yes , 's true ! \) 3 1 organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 27 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu cold , damp night last night tiger stadium , dave wells , david haas , bob macdonald , mike henneman combined 3 1 victory texas rangers highlights r h e texas 1 4 1 detroit 3 5 0 wells gets win , 's 3 0 era 1 , henneman gets third save three chances ken rogers started rangers gets loss relieved burns 7th rangers got run solo home run dean palmer 7th tigers opened scoring rbi single fryman 3rd , took lead good bottom seventh whitaker greeted reliever burns rbi double scored tettleton whitaker turn crossed plate rbi single phillips \( red hot \) third tiger run afternoon , 's another battle , bill krueger tigers vs craig rangers randy p toronto blue jay fans , thanks wells macdonald ! guys really big help tigers pitching staff !
17 dali nosubdomain nodomain \( \) subject wanted grayscale dithering routine nntp posting host dali math chalmers se organization chalmers university technology lines 15 color gifs would like archive much smaller size using grayscale palette 16 shades quantization 16 grays ugly bands pictures , nicely eliminated dithering used xv process images , would like automate procedure problem xv ca n't \( think \) convert images automatically , obvious alternative \( ppmquant \) n't even get close xv 's quality apparently rgb , even though images grayscale dithering routine xv seems use natural image colors dither similar routine available public domain \? , \? 17 math chalmers se
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject shoot somebody organization sun microsystems lines 15 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com cooperative police possible ! show repeat information often requested often ask questions verify facts , , unfortunately , see lying fill statements show required identification weapon permits \( ! registered citizens ! register politicians deadly tax weapons needing confiscated ! \) required state contact lawyer immediately decide would call required say anything lawyer present , saying anything time construed derogatory cause anything say later used talking police , people gathering evidence prosecutor use
ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) subject price drop c650 within nntp posting host casco lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 25 article dartvax dartmouth edu hades dartmouth edu writes ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes alas , funny system , sounds like good deal , centris 650 , 4mb \( motherboard \) 4mb simm , 80mb hd , ethernet coprocessor \( well , actually 's 68lc040 instead 68rc040 , 'just say keep people saying thing '040 without coprocessor , since fpu built chip \) actually , thing '040 without coprocessor 's called 68lc040 redesign full 040 \( people calling 68rc040 , although told number people motorola n't call full '040 \) without integrated fpu hardware n't 's pseudo disclaimer supposed say , sorry confusion nate hate quotations message brought tell know nate sammons , number 42 ralph waldo emerson ns111310 longs lance colostate edu
rrz uni koeln de \( dr reinhard moeller \) subject real time visualization organization regional computing center , university cologne lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host rrz uni koeln de keywords graphics , simulation cc hello , interested hear people working field visual simulation , ie driving simulation , flight simulation etc would pleased see , going field research industrial development interested well workshop \( held german \) , situated , november 18 19 1993 , specially related topic title der complete details available please contact r moeller elektro uni de
sclark epas utoronto ca \( susan clark \) subject pat burns organization university toronto epas keywords leaf wings nntp posting host epas utoronto ca lines 6 borchevsky gilmour think gilmour slightly outweighs borchevsky andreychuk also , think susan oops !
battan sequent com \( jim battan \) subject 300zx sc300 \? \? \? nntp posting host cruncher sequent com organization sequent computer systems inc lines 17 article 1993apr19 ns1 cc lehigh edu ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( danny phornprapha \) writes i'm getting car near future 've narrow 300zx sc300 might better choice \? driven , owned sc300 14 months , say depends 're great cars fact , wife saving pennies get 300zx convertible year 300zx handles like dream , sc300 rides like dream fit finish excellent , lexus gets nod customer satisfaction 're attractive , hideously expensive resale value sc better zx 300zx n't available traction control , makes handful slippery surfaces jim battan sequent computer systems , beaverton , battan sequent com uunet ! sequent ! battan 1 503 578
lasse mits mdata fi \( lasse \) subject diamond stealth pro 2 mb vram organization oy , helsinki , finland nntp posting host mits mdata fi lines 17 want info diamond stealth pro 2 mb vram graphics modes support hi color modes included vesa bios \( use dos programs \) experiences yet \( bugs advantages \) fast windows dos price thanks \) ' ` ` ' lasse mits mdata fi ` '
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject 's knowledgeable observer \? organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 33 franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes duncan \( nicholas duncan \) writes really feel need knowledgable hockey observer explain year 's playoffs mean , obviously superior toronto team best center best goalie league keeps losing gives \? unfortunately , roger r baseball spewing expertise \( e dickhead \) guess afraid posting anything , knows expect indeed nice fans concerned dissertation linked simply damned busy lately keep entertained sure , however , somehow manage find time woof leafs give cause let 's try keep people 's names \( especially mine \) subject headers , one , neither seek enjoy cheap form one thing assured , however , leafs best teams league allowed 12 goals 2 games cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
fester island com \( mike fester \) subject white black racism phillies organization usr local rn organization distribution na lines 135 article network ucsd edu king cogsci ucsd edu \( jonathan king \) writes 's many 's taste , means 've reached maximum depth thread 've cut things , nothing affect sense discussion agree 'll delete well fester island com \( mike fester \) writes king cogsci ucsd edu \( jonathan king \) writes perhaps give recent citation player mentioned \? thanks guess n't understand question trying imply accusations glenn certainly played much still , reached san francisco , certainly possible stronger elsewhere also , teammates making event , know player last couple years , case , believe mike lavalliere accused poor work habits general recently \( probably \) , released 's interesting nobody heard much problems important heard sanders called many things well heard called lazy given 2 sport phenomenon , would difficult label exactly means media detractors say things believe 's general phenomenon writers n't like , 'll find label stick matter find interested selection labels writers feel need act way \( much , either \) uh , original author 's point black white players por differently media , towards , gave highly selected list prove case name showed eventually dispute sanders ever called lazy media hmm , big ego , possible club house disturbance , etc good press \? , n't total extent press received pittsburgh , called kinds things including lazy spoiled local columnists , actual words used may shift around time expediency , lazy tends higher list non white players , least subjective opinion aside might interesting somebody archival study player descriptions color barrier broken , teams like red sox traditionally white nowadays , people think carl yastrzemski one blue collar , hard working guys , early 70s often portrayed lazy bum really hmm never heard anyone accuse canseco lazy sierra 've heard accusations canseco bad fielder , could great one put mind ignoring whether actually , dave stewart \( \) one vocal event , lazy least one poster last week fired major canseco lazy issue , think point best quibble , probably weaker uh , poster specifically stated allow first quibble , , state media portray canseco lazy person chooses accuse , post , make quibble fact , media around tend \( ed \) play time room hardly lazy , hardly quibble ever seen mediot portray canseco lazy \? fielding , yes lazy , bad fielder , think still interesting matter , think canseco 's colorful field get lots national attention , say , roger clemens well , 's least 've heard think one questions surrounds selective reporting said , say selective reporting hypothesis potential unfalsifiable , least us n't reporters , police , private investigators well , canseco involved several felonies , including high speed record , carrying concealed fire arms , course domestic violence clemens run bar canseco , well , cases , coverage relatively minimal puckett \? stewart \? jackson \? said represent non whites three anecdotal data points n't make interesting counter argument btw jackson talking \? reggie , bo , darrin , danny , \? uh , evidence offered anecdotal , objected counter also anecdotal \? seems like everybody ever batting title \( among others \) accused time caring stats good team also seems 're kirby puckett \? never heard accusation made puckett heard boggs actually , believe , 's another matter living minnesota , ca n't say whether line ever used kirby far boggs goes , i'm sure bring , since 's one obvious prototypes line quoted \( along ted williams , rod carew , many others \) uh , yes , agree boggs , rather specifically however , say everybody ever batting title accused selfishness ever , anywhere , heard said puckett pendleton , either similarly , brett , b williams , others daryl strawberry \? think plus minus refers born types , ie , butler gaetti , seem making argument anecdotes hand , argument jon says variety data admit problems generating lists non white players became \( \) famous religious political beliefs , names like butler , gaetti , , knepper , , et al come rolling others perhaps simply , except case born types mention mike
ccdw kudu ru ac za \( dave wilson \) subject open look \? organization rhodes university , grahamstown , south africa lines 9 obtain copy open look widgets \? obtainable net somewhere , need order copy \( , \) \? thanks help please email dave wilson computing centre , rhodes university grahamstown , south africa
smedley ca \( trevor j smedley \) subject buying x terminals organization technical university nova scotia lines 18 planning buying 15 20 x terminals article jim morton regarding prices , etc , looking information help decide buy terminals connected dec 3000 400 axp ram , running osf 1 found far , would best run much possible terminal \( x11 , window manager , xterm , etc \) , order need n mb ram xterminal \( n ranges 4 10 , depending talk \) looking \? sort questions asking \? thanks trevor j smedley smedley ca school computer science technical university nova scotia
jim n5ial mythical com \( jim graham \) subject courier vs sportster organization , \? \? \? must joking lines 121 note followups comp dcom modems \( obvious reasons \) article usenet ins cwru edu cleveland freenet edu \( andy nicola \) writes previous article , cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) says difference us robotics courier v32bis external sportster 14400 external \? see price sportster dramatically dropped 200 price courier remains 400 anyone knowledge modems anyone owns courier \? courier top line product , thus higher price 've never taken real look sportster line \( couriers \) , 've gathered , 's basically entry level modem probably n't meet specifications courier i'm sure sportster line fully dsp driven like \( recent \) courier modems , upgrades future may issue , take grain salt 've never evaluated sportster , i'm going bits pieces 've heard want real answer , post question comp dcom modems 'll find people worked sportster personally , though , going look courier modems , 'd buy dual standard 'd get hst v 32bis fact , exactly \) i'm sitting looking usr ds right , correct incorrect statements folks , want get reliable answers modem uart questions , post comp dcom modems post groups , never know 'll get way answer \( may well get good answer may get something like one \) least cdm , someone posts complete utter bs , 'll see flurry folks correcting \( avoid spreading faulty info \) sportster 14 4 v 42 error control v 42 bis data compression lower speeds , absolutely nothing either ccitt recommendation v 42 v 42bis says operate modems running v 32bis v 42bis , course , currently standardized operation top v 42 \( primary mode operation , \) , 's far goes case 's confusion , v 42 v 42bis also supported courier line \( unless really ancient one \) difference courier , run 16 8 hst mode take second look original question previous article , cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) says difference us robotics courier v32bis external see v 32bis \? question courier hst modem , courier dual standard courier v 32bis modem modem question support hst , period therefore support 16 8 kb hst also , courier hst courier dual standard modems support 16 8 kb version hst dual standard supports hst 14 4 kb even older models run hst 9 6 kb proprietary mode usr connect another type unit achieve speed hst usr 's proprietary modulation scheme 're talking hst , 're talking v 32bis v 32bis definitely proprietary modulation scheme sportster asynchronous transmissions well synchronous hst one way hope n't mean two sentences related way first , v 32 v 32bis synchronous asynchronous part ccitt recommendation \( e , part standard \) n't feature unique sportster \( looked appropriate chapter courier ds manual \) second , hst way '' correctly put , modulation scheme , meaning n't work speed directions hst operates 9 6 14 4 16 8 one direction , low speed back channel direction high speed channel goes direction higher data flow fine 're logged say , bbs , type one letter get screens info back , transfer files \( using \) , etc , course , penalty turnaround time high speed channel needs reverse directions v 32 v 32bis symmetrical , meaning transfer full data rate directions time third , synchronous vs asynchronous absolutely nothing symmetrical vs two completely different topics hst 's upgradeable v fast spec available , correctly put , courier line upgradeable whatever called 's complete large footprint courier modems \( like \) , 're l upgrade plan back upgrade small footprint variety , could eventually upgraded support v fast , cost two upgrades together pretty much put higher buying new modem later jim include std disclaimer h 73 de n5ial \( 4 \) internet jim n5ial mythical com j graham ieee org icbm 30 23n 86 32w amateur radio n5ial w4zbb \( ft walton beach , fl \) amtor selcal nial e mail information kamterm \( host mode kantronics tncs \)
bluelobster cmu edu \( david hunt \) subject got saved organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 44 first important point regardless recovery happened , i'm glad ! 10 may 93 got saved user karen camelot brad writes found ore coincidental less 2 weeks put faith mouth , one long line doctors even specialist , diagnosed problems difficulty , set path effective cure , walking running without pain stopped 4 years diagnosis something felt doctors must overlooked perfectly obvious test results ! point 'll try make like occur high frequency many us thinking someone person call \? much whole psychic phenomenon easily one forgets misses consider newspaper many times said 's vs 's \? 'll remember hits , misses much frequent 10 may 93 got saved user karen camelot brad writes maybe n't hit miraculous really imagine active 17 year old told may able walk longer happy 18 year old dance run knowing problem along revealed knew right song says , instead healed , affliction got much worse ended paralyzed \? would attributed god well \? would work satan \? believe would , good god , evil satan \? could n't agony come god \? think poor job ! david hunt graduate slave mind towards mechanical engineering ideas opinions palestinian carnegie mellon university use golden rule v2 0 jewish homeland ! h e r e n g h e r e n g email bluelobster cmu edu working towards piled higher deeper !
dean gene med umn edu \( dean \( \) \) subject planet x nntp posting host gene med umn edu organization university minnesota x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 28 one experience planet x , considering buying use sparcstation ipc , way run mac programs sparc would recommend buying piece software emulation sparc like \? give window mac give window individual programs \? information would greatly appreciated thanks , dean institute human genetics university minnesota box 206 hammer , harvard street east river road tend look every minneapolis , mn problem nail voice \( 612 \) 625 fax \( 612 \) 626 email dean med umn edu
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject mormon temples organization shell oil lines 17 article may 11 02 38 41 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes n't necessarily object secrecy question , since see biblical reason aspect christian worship involve secrecy early church history , dismissed prior celebration eucharist secret , giving rise rumors christians sorts perverse claims actions considered holy observed non christians , well potentially dangerous individual christian might identified larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject waco burnout organization grinchco lines 34 distribution usa nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes article rigel tamu edu , mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article visser convex convex com , visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes ca n't wait investigation considering everyone dead place burnt ground , guess honest citizens take word atf much threat people look history koresh captured mount carmel complex ago gun battle rival bd sect , leaving one person dead n't exactly peace loving bunch koresh followers tried found innocent charges following shootout unaware leave fact \? fact koresh followers involved gun battle control mt carmel complex dispute remember trial , could n't reasonably establish fired first , big reason behind mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu subject mr2 noisy engine nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 31 article engr washington edu , eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes article usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com \( thunderbirds go ! ! ! \) writes mr2 owners motor head gurus , know mr2 's engine sounds noisy \? mr2 's engine noisy best times , even nice nose 's one ugly noises assuming non turbo mr2 , characteristic large inline 4 n't balance shafts guess toyota n't care little details like brag mid engine configuration flashy styling , automatically cross car consideration \( recommendation \) inline 4 larger 2 liters balance shafts good rule thumb keep mind ever want halfway decent engine noise really bugs , nothing else except sell get v6 eliot eliot right 2 2 liter engine second \( last \) generation mr2 's original guy indicate year mr2 's first generation car \( like '85 \) , 1 6 liter engine \( perhaps engine , 's '87 '89 \) sound describes common older toyota engine ever heard n't know relevance observations oil changes , simply makes noise annoying , mind hear well engine right behind left ear \) mike
darryl inmos co uk \( darryl cross \) subject archive qic 02 reply darryl inmos co uk \( darryl cross \) organization inmos iq systems group , bristol , uk lines 15 hi , quick question reguarding pc tape backup 386 dos box archive interface card connected qic 02 tape drive simple question , anybody netland know get software msdos \( ver 5 0 \) run setup , freeware shareware preferred thanks advance , darryl sorry repost i'm still getting grips darryl cross , inmos ltd , mail \( uk \) darryl inmos co uk bristol , uk ukc ! inmos ! darryl tel 44 454 ex 618 \( us \) uunet ! inmos com ! darryl fax 44 454 internet darryl inmos com
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject upi \( two israelis , four arabs killed gaza keywords international , non usa government , government , fighting , civil rights , social issues , shooting , trouble organization university illinois urbana lines 70 ilyess bohr concordia ca \( ilyess bdira \) writes article israel clarinet com clarinews clarinet com \( upi \) writes gaza city , israeli occupied gaza strip \( upi \) palestinian gunmen sunday shot killed two israelis entered gaza buy cheap produce , two arabs assisting elsewhere crowded strip , israeli troops killed 18 month old infant 12 year old boy rock throwing clashes two refugee camps anybody guess title \? anyone figure kind deranged parent stupid enough bring infant rock throwing crusade \( jihad , sorry \) \? 18 month old infants certainly n't walk around streets would lead believe nimrod parent brought along little terrorism , thought clash israelis arabs resulted four deaths one side two thats happened drive shooting outside jewish settlement southern gaza prompted prime minister yitzhak rabin warn israelis illegal business occupied territories illegally settled \? sure signals israelis sending , one day willing accept jordan west bank federation , recognize west bank occupied territory \( neither u , honest \) \( details killings omitted , plo , hamas graffiti claim \) , last heard , territories disputed israel 's occupation illegal legally allowed remain settlement reached arabs , behavior palestinian team , probably never israelis entered gaza car driven man hebron , n't tell could israeli spy know later huh \? buying vegetables carried easily identified blue license plates arab vehicles west bank israelis enter gaza cars , carry yellow plates , usually stoned burned angry palestinian residents upi shows ugly face usually \? happened year , last year possibly thousands man low get bigoted enough see transmitted , tell something least close truth babies children venture outside homes usually shot killed israeli soldiers army officials said joint operation members plo tied fatah hawks hamas connected brigade , arose anger army 's killing six group past month groups sprayed graffiti walls khan , calling attack act killing comrades ed
sony1 sdrc com \( robert \) subject bit planes lines 12 could anyone please explain bit planes \? sgi work says 64 bit planes mean \? relate pc graphics \? usually \? please reply via email group head thanks advance ! ! ! bob structural dynamics research corp cincinnati , ohio 513 576
gak wrs com \( richard stueven \) subject sharks jack feirerra \( sharks kingston fired ! ! ! \) nntp posting host reply gak wrs com organization wind river systems , inc lines 33 article apple com , chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) writes snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes course , ferreira also traded number veterans marginal contributions fired , 's clear would different besides , marginal contributors let 's also forget ferreira came close trading kelly kisio , , rumors 've heard true , strong objections aspects shark management probably lot three headed , consensus oriented gm imagine , second , sharks would today fax machine n't jammed hand , i'm hard pressed think real mistakes made imagine indeed , benefit hindsight let 's say view sharks' upper management , attempt trade kisio major factor decision fire feirerra i'm inclined take exactly opposite view kept 's obviously man hockey ! \( wonder sacrifice made muse fax \? \( job , guess \) \) fun gak richard stueven aha erected multitude new internet gak wrs com go offices , sent swarms attmail ! attmail ! ! gak officers harass people , cow palace 107 h 3 4 eat substance
antonio qualcom qualcomm com \( franklin antonio \) subject ear thermometer nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 39 article ashwin leo gatech edu ashwin cc gatech edu \( ashwin ram \) writes instrument really work \? supposed give fast accurate temperature reading ear far ear one insert instrument \? worth 100 currently selling \? , work well doctor started using one recently , thought concept amazing bought one thing works reading infrared emissions ear drum ear drum hotter ear canal walls , point thing carefully means top ear straighten ear canal , inserting thing , pushing button unfortunately , many things go wrong almost impossible aim thing correctly get readings differ 2 degrees , may differ oral thermometer 2 degrees talked one nurses doctor 's office recently , said n't like either , reasons give instruction tug ear , correct insertion feels like , said thought impossible correctly one 's self also said nurses complained company inaccurate readings , someone company told take great care clean infrared window end probe alcohol time time demonstrated prior reading temperature , managed get reading within 0 5 degree oral temperature took home driving dr 's office also noticed tha nurses click button , remove probe immediately causes wrong readings experience , leave probe good 1 2 seconds clicking button get good measurement nurse talked agreed suspect many people n't realize , therefore get bad readings yet another reason short , 's great idea may work folks , believe n't work well person wants take temperature
robert knowles p00261 psilink com subject death penalty \( political reply 930420 rusnews w165w mantis co uk nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 17 date tue , 20 apr 1993 10 48 19 0100 mathew mathew mantis co uk 's great film called manufacturing consent noam chomsky media 's canadian film saw berlin film festival year get chance , go see ca n't really recommend books read i'm thinking ordering book reviewer claimed gives good introduction political activism could dig title mathew could chomsky reader edited james , published \?
bsardis netcom com \( barry sardis \) subject date stuck organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 16 've posted couple notes problem based suggestions mark , university canterbury , new zealand chris cs wm edu think problem screen saver also outputs sound \( pc speaker \) i'm still looking screen use \( randomizer \) , one definately caused loss several minutes night \( date time \) barry sardis home \( 408 \) 448 laurie avenue office \( 408 \) 448 7404 san jose , ca 95125 fax \( 408 \) 448 7404 email bsardis netcom com 1210 compuserve com
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization partnership america free drug distribution na lines 22 jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes article rens imsi com rens imsi com \( rens troost \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth tendency part people hide head sand never advocated hiding sand i'm advocating peaceful solution peaceful solution possible unless want blood hands one mentioned violence , mr han believe imagining things perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject satan tv reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 14 article may 9 05 41 06 1993 athos rutgers edu salaris niblick ecn purdue edu \( rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits \) writes mtv controls bands popular , matter bad fact , better politically correct like u2 , madonna musical talent steven c salaris interesting idea regular seems sort thing politically correct shows christ 's love bryan
subject localized fat reduction due exercise \( question rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu \( ruth ginzberg \) distribution world organization philosophy dept , wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan edu x news reader vms news 1 20in reply nyx cs du edu 's message sun , 25 apr 93 20 32 23 gmtlines 22 lines 22 1993apr25 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu writes wondering exercises specific particular regions body \( thighs \) basically tone thighs , fat parts body \( breasts \) would affected much two different mechanisms muscles reduction fat exercises specific particular muscles tone muscles exercised \( example look differences arm pitching arms non pitching arms major league pitchers \) however , exercise also leads reduction body fat , loss body fat equally distributed entire body way spot reduce body fat surgically , distribution body fat genetically determined sometimes muscle look like fat , muscle gains muscle tone may appear though fat changing muscle , really fat muscle tissues totally separate , one ever change ruth ginzberg rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu philosophy department wesleyan university usa
jarthur claremont edu \( william everett \) subject earth also pollutes organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 34 article 1993apr21 titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) writes article dzvb3b6w164w cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) says earth may spew alot substances atmosphere , quality toxic output easily make lack quantity excuse \? quality \? grade co2 grade b co2 \? may quite right impression co2 co2 furthermore , planet system carbon , sulfur chemicals acting billions years , newcomers system must adapt control order bring stability also , two wrongs make right , continuing practices despite overwhelming data ignorance \( non \) action \) reason believe system inherently stable ice ages occured without help humans b \) point human contribution co2 greenhouse gasses insignificant wo n't really make difference make less c \) overwhelming data \? see lots future , fascinating , considering ca n't predict weather two weeks advance william everett tan , rested , ready harvey mudd college nixon '96 opinions mine ca n't
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject knock , 's next \? mormons jews \? x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 83 isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) states reply deleted article knock searches , arrests hmm police strategy bursting weapons drawn , clearly marked officers yelling police repeatedly used every day bust drug houses idea awe suspects submission surprise display order avoid gun fight knocking , 's sad necessity many cases since suspects attempt escape even fight usually strategy works n't , would n't used commonly , would \? general knock raids preserve evidence , like drugs , flushed toilet standard way arrest violent felon like bank need search preserve evidence surround dwelling order suspect come hands suspect come tear gas used comment bd omitted merely point valid strategy used every day furthermore , n't know substitute strategy capable apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects suggest method apprehend criminals police always knock guns holstered never arrest suspects allowed inspect officers 's badges \? police apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects \? far reasonably go identity \? suggest ca n't faked competition \? dangerous method obtain evidence might destroyed warrant served normal way dangerous way arrest anyone cops charging room n't know much safer surround place announce even 've got deadly enemies may pretend cops , 's excuse murder police case bd 's , almost definitely paranoid delusion deadly would pretend cops cops cops identify police officers drug dealers professional criminals aware likelihood arrest also know system works arrested call lawyer , post bail hope plea bargain pull gun shoot cop raid charged first degree murder survive raid drug dealers guns protection customers criminals , shoot cops cops shot knock drug raids criminals n't aware cops knock raids homes occupied non criminals likely end disaster mom pop citizen know committed crime , know anyone breaking house cannot cop done nothing wrong means defend may know criminals cops cops homeowners may die first reports waco stated atf warrant search illegal weapons also arrest warrant illegal weapons found case knock warrant called difficult flush gun toilet atf could surrounded compound marked police car could driven entrance uniformed officers could knocked served warrant usual way happened koresh refused warrant drove cops gun point p g folks would kept quiet rod anderson n0nzo think united states government boulder , co responsible fact bunch rcanders nyx cs du edu fanatics decided kill satellite n0nzo ao 16 slick willie compassionate
pbenson ecst csuchico edu \( paul benson \) subject smithsonian institution ftp address \? organization california state university , chico lines 9 distribution usa nntp posting host cscihp ecst csuchico edu know ftp address smithsonian institution one get digitized photographs , etc \? please reply email pbenson cscihp ecst csuchico edu thanks paul benson
troy sequent com \( troy wecker \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) article sequent 1993apr21 distribution usa organization sequent computer systems inc lines 25 nntp posting host sequent com radar \( radio association defending rights \) says geico insurance buy 's radar police also actively states promote making radar detectors illegal think buying part misuse money radar detector part shows little know issue study aware ever concluded detectors negative impact safety users higher average speed incompetence geico \? think troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton , article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \)
minyos xx rmit oz au \( ming chew \) subject help com port problems mouse organization royal melbourne institute technology lines 12 nntp posting host minyos xx rmit oz au hello , want know com port create problems mouse \? \? mouse gets stuck screen press button able move around shareware utility program diagnose com ports \? thanks ming
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject age reason read rushdie 's organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 19 story kent , archetype finn , lives bay area , tried purchase thomas paine 's age reason man driving around , , books inc , well , place , , various places asked book , well educated american book store assistants placed asked check thriller section , said book published yet , receive book soon places assistants bluntly said n't know author , well known living author , n't keep copies books life times america , 200 years revolution cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject photographers removed compound organization stratus computer , inc lines 44 distribution na nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article news udel edu , roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes two news photographers found compound earlier morning without permission explained press corps dangerous unknown photographer turning around long lens camera could mistaken someone dangerous texas ranger surveying site \( ! \) words , nice camera got would shame ta happen two photographers said currently jail also emphasized survey crime scene point crucial press could allowed interfere press allowed bodies removed site completely surveyed evidence court case opinions find disturbing good keep thinking critically believe koresh largely responsible ending standoff manner last 51 days patient opportunity , find secrecy surrounding aftermath damaging position realize secrecy actually less damaging alternative \? basing opinions info gathered various media filtered common sense consideration , imho , opinion subject change information made available please also note means endorse agree many conspiracy type theories read groups make bite size pieces 'll wait cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
idler cs tu berlin de \( andreas kuehnel \) subject drdos vs msdos 6 0 organization technical university berlin , germany lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit i'm using drdos 6 0 superstor nearly 2 years , i'm wondering , msdos 6 0 could keep last anybody tried \? double disk \? \( lots problems \) much memory get \? \( 've got emm \) line help \( really great drdos \) help appreciated
cas org \( \) subject clipper algorithm secret organization chemical abstracts service , columbus , ohio lines 24 article 1993apr20 fsl noaa gov bear kestrel fsl noaa gov \( bear giles \) writes article panix com dfl panix com \( danny o'bedlam \) writes algorithm classified military contract \( similar government equivalent military \) let proprietary design feds say nsa developed patent \? patent publicly available \? betting classified unless major change law , 's beast classified patent patents exist encourage communications develop state art yes , patent classified secret recently saw patent 1947 \( dealing nuclear weapons technology \) declassified last couple years course problem enforcing patent thing applies civilian development ca n't patent something declare trade secret however , \( \) mark software \( including proprietary code \) unpublished copyright ever get exposed still legal protection absolutely right alec chambers
scotts math orst edu \( scott \) subject forsale mag mx15f 1280x1024 article gaia distribution world organization oregon state university math department lines 7 nntp posting host math orst edu mag mx15f fantastic 15 monitor display 1280x1024 noninterlaced \( ! \) 26 mm dot pitch looking large crystal clear super vga monitor 430 call scott \( 503 \) 757 email scotts math orst edu
amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) subject final solution palestine \? organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel lines 30 nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu 's message sun , 25 apr 93 17 10 03 gmt ahmeda mcrcim mcgill edu \( ahmed abu abed \) writes hamas islamic jihad believe , far get arab media , islamic state protects rights inhabitants koranic law would reversal 1948 situation jews palestine took control land \( mostly muslim \) inhabitants borders jewish state drawn u n included areas contained mostly jews , 's surveys numerous visited however , whoever committed crimes humanity \( torture , blowing homes , murders , \) must treated tried war criminal political thought movements shows freedom choice given jews living new law leaving choice never touched arab army service never voted anyone right green party spared humanist standards \? \( anyone stop consider \? \) doubt past record murdering helpless women children since turn century days amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff nntp posting host fsh mtu edu organization michigan tech x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 23 21 apr 93 05 06 08 gmt , tim smith \( tzs stein u washington edu \) wrote feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes evidence batf fbi would started shooting people started coming burning building oh \? press \? batf fbi going shoot people leaving burning building , n't think would get rid press first \? oh , mean something like moving press back single location , 2 miles away compound \? press allowing vietnam , 's dangerous allow near branch davidians \? 's something skewed logic charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept physics , michigan tech , houghton , mi 49931 government little great things , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson , 1821
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject private support exploration \( russian america \) article aurora 1993apr30 1 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 8 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu commericial support exploration examples also much exploration utilization alaska \( russian america , also included parts washington state , oregon , n california \) private funds \( yes royal governmental funds times \) michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
mayne pipe cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) subject christian morality organization florida state university computer science department reply mayne cs fsu edu lines 15 article 1993apr21 dcs warwick ac uk simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) writes dan , i'm concerned grave spiritual danger stubborn refusal love accept heart mighty invisible pink unicorn nice parody deleted shall pray fact , brother , cast demon name mighty invisible pink unicorn dan , must faith ! better pray , , believe mighty pink unicorn exist one cannot pink invisible demon \( daemon \? \) keeps believing saving soul named logic bill mayne
orourke sophia smith edu \( joseph o'rourke \) subject looking polygon organization smith college , northampton , , us lines 10 article nwfocus wa com mpdillon halcyon com \( michael dillon \) writes anyone know find code would take concave polygons break set convex polygons \? also would like code algorithms although offering code , would like point polygon triangulation code satisfies task stated want code partition polygon minimum number convex pieces , doubt much exists , although algorithm known
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization university illinois urbana lines 12 nt tossed info jesus realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
dplatt ntg com \( dave platt \) subject jumper settings ungermann bass ethernet card organization new technologies group distribution usa lines 16 anybody data sheet mentioned card \? bought one , sans manual local surplus shop , want try packet driver suite irq interface select jumpers pretty straightforward , n't settings \( also labelled a15 a18 \) could somebody tell settings four jumpers correspond addresses \? anything else card know , plug play \? dave platt voice \( 415 \) 813 domain dplatt ntg com uucp netcomsv ! ntg ! dplatt usnail new technologies group inc way , palo alto ca
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject revival san marco \? \( commercial space news 22 \) organization university illinois urbana lines 32 higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) writes article ofa123 fidonet org , wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org writes commercial space news space technology investor number 22 commercial launch site ventures including , poker flat , cape york , white sands , alabama shore platform , hawaii , vandenberg also judged criteria opinion , ventures flying hope speculation , sound financial grounds reminds fuzzy brain recalls somebody thinking san marco launch platform coast , copernicus satellite launched around 1972 true , imagining \? possibly 's connected one italian programs revive scout new version old platform must getting pretty rusty , ai n't lot infrastructure go information shows last san marco launch 1988 seem total seven seem recall someone , either university rome \( \? \) includes money annual budget platforms \( actually two \) italians spending money develop advanced scout however , recent events italian space program , italian government overall make skeptical get ground near future josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
paryavi matt ksu ksu edu \( saiid paryavi \) subject centris 610 25mhz 33mhz \? \? \? organization kansas state university lines 15 nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu summary possible \? keywords centris put 33mhz 040 cpu centris 610 math coprocessor , possible speed centris run either 25mhz 33mhz \? \? n't see oscillators motherboard like ones iisi 's motherboard ! oscillator centris \? ideas \? thanks saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid cis ksu edu
subject shaft drives wheelies erika cts com \( erik astrup \) distribution rec organization x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 16 xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? yes erik astrup afm 422 dod 683 1993 cbr 900rr 1990 cbr 600 1990 concours 1990 ninja 250 one goes eleven nigel tufnel , lead guitar , spinal tap
space subject statement nasa administrator daniel g reply space organization alcatel bell telephone lines 20 nntp posting host 138 203 8 26 man clark nasa administrator god save nasa course shuttles record ! one shuttle furthermore , likely one shuttle hermes effectively cancelled officials spend time explaining european asian partners expected believe change minds major international projects everytime new us administration takes office \( considering major impacts european asian \( japanese \) industry \) also appreciated affects american industry course talking space freedom dennis , email space alcatel bell telephone , 33 , phone \( 32 \) 3 829 hoboken , belgium
brian ucsf edu \( brian \) subject 3d images organization utexas mail news gateway lines 9 nntp posting host cs utexas edu anyone around point information regarding stereoscopic images \? believe saw show room texas \( lone star illusions \) amazing 've heard created simple graphic program anyone images digitized \? \? really want find much thanks brian ucsf edu \( please reply address \)
conradie firga sun ac za \( gerrit conradie \) subject info flux gate coils magnetometer \? keywords flux gate , magnetometer organization university stellenbosch , sa lines 19 article endor endor sim es com \( bryce buck \) writes subject info flux gate coils magnetometer \? keywords flux gate , magnetometer interested finding sources design information flux gate coils flux gate \( digital compass \) please respond via e mail sorry , news reader n't want reply 1 \) ling , c space application , ieee journal spacecraft , vol 1 , 2 , march april 1964 , pp 175 180 , usable background information 2 \) , electronics world wireless world , september 1991 , pp 726 732 great ! circuit diagrams etc building compass gerrit
shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov \( mary shafer \) subject henry spencer anyway \? reply hansk aie nl 's message sat , 15 may 1993 01 45 54 gmt organization nasa dryden , edwards , cal lines 17 sat , 15 may 1993 01 45 54 gmt , hansk aie nl \( hans \) said hans somebody replied whether space shuttle connected hans usenet course main flow information would , hans unless henry spencer would aboard , case main hans flow information would gene miya says henry never go shuttle payload bay n't big enough chocolate chip cookies henry dryden , looking pretty sr f , even though n't much cookie space guess figured could manage short flight mary shafer dod 0362 kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility , edwards , ca shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov course n't speak nasa mig six better mig unknown us fighter pilot
huston access digex com \( herb huston \) subject fact theory organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 18 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr24 njit edu hertz njit edu \( david utidjian eng sci \) writes simple i'm surprised subject gets beat death month quick glance dictionary would clear 99 confusion bandwidth newsgroup reading stephen jay gould 's essay evolution fact theory would n't hurt , either appears hen 's teeth horse 's toes could talk really important things like , men nipples \? see gould 's male nipples bully gee , easy herb huston huston access digex com
cc fsu edu \( ralph \( car \) \) subject comdex \( atlanta ga \) info wanted organization florida state university computing center lines 3 know wrong newsgroup , wondering anyone knows date \( \) year 's comdex convention atlanta , ga passed already \? \? e mail possible thanks
henson cc wwu edu \( charles \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? article henson 1993apr26 2273 organization western washington university lines 20 mac utkvx bitnet \( richard j mcdougald \) writes article 0010580b diablo uucp diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) writes application softwares 're using even , come one n't written \? \( knowledge \) mean , even hijaak , one commercial industry standards file conversion , n't attempted yet adobe streamline four couple years much better job functions built illustration programs course , higher resolution bitmap produce accurate trace problem 've run though , creates detailed trace , produces way points necessary trace something manually , use many less es points problem produces big files slow everything , especially printing chuck
andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) subject discussions alt psychoactives organization university colorado , boulder lines 38 nntp posting host spot colorado edu article andrew cmu edu charles nichols andrew cmu edu writes herzog sierra lbl gov \( herzog \) subject discussions alt psychoactives date 20 apr 1993 19 16 25 gmt could people discussing recreational drugs mj , lsd , , etc , take discussions alt drugs \? discussions receive greatest contribution readership people interested strictly smart drugs \( e \) post group two groups \( alt drugs alt psychoactives \) used lately think alt psychoactives deceiving name alt psychoactives supposedly smart drug newsgroup according newsgroup lists usenet establish alt alt \( smart drugs nutrients \) \? noticed posts sci med nutrition regarding smart nutrients may lower groups burden well beg disagree subject recall correctly , alt drugs posts like grow mj use bong \? wow , man , trip etc quite people versed biology wanted discuss centrally active higher level without crap filling bandwidth would suggest proceed create newsgroup dedicated must one dedicated , leave alt psychoactives discussion psychoactives \( including , small portion realm centrally active substances \) wondering group called 'sci would relevent would used formal discussion issues \( , , etc \) informal proposal \( n't know anything net politics adding newsgroup , etc \) alt psychoactives stuff deleted marc andersom spot colorado edu
jane uh edu \( chris \) subject waco gov't fault \( libertarian party cia fbi atf \) organization university houston lines 188 distribution world nntp posting host jane uh edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article dscomsa desy de , hallam zeus02 desy de writes article 1993apr21 1 happy uccs edu , happy uccs edu writes several shreds evidence prove waco disaster government 's fault 1 \) raided american 's property rumors koresh 's intentions converted , yet still 2nd amendment protected , firearms \( judge approved warrant justifies nothing \) democracy rule law search warrant justifies search us constitution justify murder attempting mount search illegally held weapons search illegally held weapons \( , evidence yet produced effect \) justify firing house women children , either also justify shooting first without identifying oneself \( atf fbi done , n't say n't , please \) producing warrant guess depends whose story one believes , huh \? 2 \) took 51 days think basic terrorist tactic , e tear gas \( could justified support supposed inside \) govt right use lethal force certain cases attempts capture dangerous criminals armed threatening lives others others talking \? one case used sub lethal force sub lethal \? excuse , people dead ! ! ! 3 \) gov't immediately imprisoned called children held hostage evidence \? far fbi produced none n't hold breath adults wanted variously murder conspiracy murder held chains \( wanted rest held crime material witnesses 4 \) took hundreds gov't agents tax funded cellular phones ten minutes dial 9 1 1 fire department called fire dept role play situation might rescued might well shoot feds decision make , firefighters calling fire dept meant waco deprived resource might needed elsewhere situation could used arisen true answer call help fire department citizen since fire departments answer calls deprive resources might needed elsewhere valid reason calling , since davidians found guilty crime court law , subject protection citizen las far know , even criminals prison left burn death fire 5 \) cutting water supply surrounding area , gov't guaranteed fire compound would fatal fire started deliberately lamp oil likely fatal guess matter religious faith \? government says , must \? n't reading thread well enough notice us n't beleive story \? 6 \) one foresight station rescue vehicles nearby first place scarce resource bunch cannot deprive neighbourhood resource might required genuine case patients psychiatric hospitals left die fires , either besides , explained , us believe distress might genuine certain n't \? 7 \) gov't conveniently forgot stuff freedom religion include human sacrifice include forms murder evidence davidians committed human sacrifice either initial raid self defense murder 8 \) gov't arguably started \( least fanned \) fire govt arguably run communists trilateral commission say deliberate accidents require conspiracy theories , disregard human life initial raid alone \( agents firing blind walls standards law enforce ment procedure \) proves mind killing people 10 \) finally , may stretch statists , koresh 's original reasons compound may something continual interference gov't new taxes , new regulations increasing involvement every aspect personal economic lives life compound might become way future might let us hope support koresh allowed enforce upon rest us one supporting koresh opposing illegal use excessive violence government citizens reasons supporting ownership high power weaponry clear enough hope destruction fabric society allow enforce nightmare vision future society believes ok terrorize people religious views destroy due time feds disrupted fabric society waco , koresh feds forced nightmare onto people mount carmel would good thing people study history basis assume n't \? n't really mean would good thing people drew conclusions history \? \) particular group militant militant implies acts aggression one 's neighbors davidians left neighbors alone religious heretics left set community time ago years latter captured medina destroyed idols within ten years whole arabia islam \? mormons considered cult years , chased one place another much thinking advocating finally got set community left people alone far americans n't put sword mormon crying avenge joseph smith \) group people start saying want left alone mean stay n't mean wo n't either anyway , whole purpose system laws punish people , might pat , oral roberts jimmy world quite telling people run lives telling forcing police knock door , cannot make go away changing pat friends , n't even watch channel , since atheist far , watching tell n't gotten killed \) allow people get guns point face likely find running life right , people sticking guns anyone 's faces government trying hard run life n't noticed \? phill hallam baker christian college libertarians texas uh chapter jetson uh edu box 113 , 4800 , houston , tx true civilization every man gives every every right claims robert
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject janet reno nightline distribution na organization stephen f austin state university lines 48 article finn isi edu , finn isi edu \( greg finn \) writes bothered suggestion child abuse janet reno used several times last night , nightline de facto justification approving raid used justification potentially lethal force attack compound , structural damage fairly called , evidence better quite strong seemed ted kopel 's mind last night reno stated evidence child abuse would say koresh 's ex lawyer inside compound repeatedly told face last night saw plenty happy children playing mothers signs child abuse whatsoever silent children , apparent , reply child abuse always evident true , better evidence could fbi \? point seems difficult see fbi could better evidence seen koresh 's lawyer eye witness lived la seen media authority feeding frenzy accompanied debacle , seen hot button child abuse charge child abuse used authorities justification discard find janet reno 's repeated assertions evidence child abuse rather curious n't warrant issued supposed weapons violation \? certainly nothing child abuse assume therefore new evidence child abuse arose issuance warrant initial assault \? , fail see new evidence gathered , could better site eye witness evidence gregory finn \( 310 \) 822 information sciences institute , marina del rey , ca tv news morning reported local texas authorities reviewed cases 21 children released earlier siege found evidence physical sexual abuse children n't recall good morning america local texas tv station joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
peter mts ucs ualberta ca subject free x servers pcs organization internet lines 5 expert expo lcs mit edu anyone know free x servers pcs , preferably run ms windows \? thanks peter , university alberta , edmonton , canada e mail \( mts ucs ualberta ca \)
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 27 article 1993apr22 cs nott ac uk , eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) writes article apr 22 06 39 15 1993 romulus rutgers edu , kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article 1993apr21 news cs indiana edu kiwi ucs indiana edu \( amy lynn young \) writes someone tell mr cramer spouts homosexuals , addresses homosexual men , never , post 've read , addressed lesbians \? ca n't really speak mr cramer , say homosexual male entirely different animal lesbian virtually nothing analogous related aberrant behaviors practiced two groups deviants obviously homosexual male xy chromosome pair lesbian xx besides , price eggs \? since mr cramer straight , probably gets thought lesbians , like majority adolescent males views expressed herein theodore kaldis adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) hate disappoint , 's case n't get lesbian sex , adolescent , adolescent , believed homosexuals like everyone else 've learned since clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
hpcc01 corp hp com \( john c king \) subject wanted pub 16 organization hp corporate notes server lines 10 i'm looking copy friedman 's publication 16 methods solution running key ciphers agean park press tells publication c 23 publications , volume 1 print anyone snail mail photocopy 16 \? someone could would much appreciated regards , john king corp hp com
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israeli terrorism organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 93 article 1993apr28 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes adam endor uucp writes article 1993apr25 1373 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes un tried many times condemn israel gross violation human rights un also failed condemn gross violations human rights many places around globe middle east , thus leading many people conclude un biased chooses condemn short , incomplete list things un n't even consider condemning incident security council response 1 hindu moslem clash india , 2 , 000 killed , 1990 none 2 gassing death 8 , 000 kurds none iraqi air force , 1988 89 3 saudi security forces slaughter none 400 pilgrims mecca , 1987 4 killing algerian army 500 demonstrators , 1988 none 5 \( arabs killing arabs \) 300 killed none 6 30 , 000 civilians slaughtered government none troops hama , syria , 1982 7 killing 5 , 000 palestinians jordanian troops , none thousands expelled , sept , 1970 8 87 moslems killed egypt , 1981 none 9 77 killed bread riots , 1977 none 10 30 border rocket attacks israel none plo 1989 alone 11 munich , 1972 11 israeli athletes slaughtered none 12 , 1974 children killed plo attack none 13 israel coastal bus attack 34 dead , 82 wounded none 14 syria kills 23 , 000 palestinians , 1976 none 15 lebanon 150 , 000 dead since 1975 none 16 yemen 13 , 000 killed two weeks , 1986 none 17 sudan tens thousands black slaves , none civil war toll , 1 million killed , 3 million refugees 18 square massacre 1989 none 19 rumania , 3 , 000 killed , 1989 none 20 pan 103 disaster carried p l none 21 northern ireland none 22 cambodia none 23 soviet occupation afghanistan none 24 american riots , watts , newark , kent state none 25 1981 israel destroys iraqi , israel condemned 26 1990 israeli police protect israeli worshipers condemned arab mob , 18 anti jewish rioters killed 27 syrian soldiers slaughter christian soldiers none surrender , 1990 wow , source news around world would seem israel treated unfairly ok , n't like say would care demonstrate list , expanded version chose post , demonstrates fairness actions un wrt israel \? luckily , case suggest reading european papers rather israeli propaganda \( arab papers would n't hurt either see propaganda side \) make odd assumption read israeli papers , european ones main source news economist , london based magazine also , rare , read arab papers , hard find english language papers arab countries anyway example happens people chose read n't get wrong , perfectly within rights n't go acting like 're objective ever claimed objective \? pointed , 27 item list , israel condemned actions nations condemned go attack reading israeli newspapers 'd like debate , please 'd like make ad attacks , feel free try mask one another adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? organization express access online communications usa lines 21 nntp posting host access digex net article gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes article 1993apr26 200406 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy big capacitor \) real big capacitor 's suggested \( specifically , lightning strikes clouds interstellar medium \) big lightning rod , would need protection \? would need jupiter ground plane pat
cathy lance colostate edu \( cathy smith \) subject lies texas l neil smith nntp posting host blanca lance colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 108 posted l neil smith cathy smith lies texas okay , learned \? reasons still kept secret , federal agency already known well enough examined rebuked several legislative committees years longstanding , violent disregard law , invades home man whose religious beliefs personal habits , violating rights first , second , fourth , fifth , ninth , fourteenth amendments constitution man followers fight back , killing four outlaw agency 's , wounding many , suffering losses process agency responds cutting electricity , water , especially contact outside world free say anything pronouncements contradict one another daily agency finds locked bitter power struggle another outfit eager gain credit mess , importantly , script side subsequent negotiations way please impasse lasts almost two months , ironically , time four l cops given second trial single individual , one ugliest riots history armored vehicles surround house , already snipers using , high powered rifles loudspeakers playing obnoxious records highest possible volume , , deprive house sleep \( aftermath , nobody authority mention effect technique , originated north korean communists battle tactic , may judgment \) finally another irony 50th anniversary rising warsaw ghetto , armor punches holes house gas kind injected house bursts flame reduced ashes less hour least 80 lives , including dozen children , snuffed outlaw agencies , attorney general , president hold press conferences articulate common theme blame victim illegal weapons soon prepared secret government workshop planted among examined agency created abusing children tapes stored data jfk assassination set fire snipers saw film 11 3000 shot followers tried escape jim jones \? best , 's dead ca n't say damn thing us , contact world severed start whole travesty leading national paper claims 93 american people believe man resisted savage attack home somehow responsible everything resulted ever know 93 americans agree anything n't sound like outcome soviet election opinion poll \? well , infer \? starters , never forget , although democratic careers line \( rightfully \) fiasco , outlaw agency 's admission , planned republican administration may explain paul harvey , evidently used courage integrity changing mind \( time \) war viet nam acting little mouthpiece state regard bill rights importantly , rush limbaugh , 's quivering tower whole thing , takes essentially stance bill clinton , 's time fundamental changes , system , least within march 5 , back beginning , mary , national chair libertarian party , issued press release condemning outlaw agency calling abolition fact , lp promised platform since 1977 , least 16 years , abolish agencies involved waco i'm proud say helped write true , lp tiny insignificant \( although less 1977 ask democrats georgia doubt \) , alone howling wilderness fascists scrambling cover phony polls big lies , lp right happened waco advice followed 1977 , waco never would happened think think fact , 've enough political parties interested collecting holding power whatever cost bill rights , let alone human life defending expanding individual liberty , maybe change 's time within make lp less tiny insignificant single voice single vote think l neil smith author probability broach , crystal empire , henry martyn , \( forthcoming \) editor lever action bbs \( 303 \) 493 6674 , fidonet 1 306 31 4 libertarian second amendment caucus nra life member opinions , course ,
paryavi matt ksu ksu edu \( saiid paryavi \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization kansas state university lines 29 nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu tthiel cs uiuc edu \( terry thiel \) writes scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine 's recommending centris 610 anybody says consider centris 650 iivx \( would recommend iivx lciii n't know , 's said \) , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? centris 610 working perfectly one problem noticed fastback ii backup utility work ! ! ! strange thing works friend 's 610 time , however , never works machine assume sort software problem hardware related saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid cis ksu edu
gozer mv com \( kevin l mcbride \) subject cnn sale organization central southern nh usenet access , nashua , nh distribution usa lines 10 croaker highlite uucp \( francis ney \) writes add voice \( hopefully \) growing multitudes hereby pledge 1000 00 towards purchase cnn , conditions already described also post idea nets access \( rime libernet \) 'll go 1000 worth cnn stock anyone nra listening \?
france sun com \( steve sunconnect \) subject universal phones days \? organization sunconnect lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host hardy france sun com article news chalmers se , d9bertil dtek chalmers se \( bertil jonell \) writes article shelley u washington edu kniha carson u washington edu \( dagmar \) writes wire without jack end sticking wall need connect wires \( i'm sure wall jacks western europe may \) son return much americans know rest word \? flamewar anyone \? 're one c british moment
apple com \( rob \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization apple computer , inc lines 48 article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu , inde7wv rosie uh edu wrote bdc driver nearly rams back innocent biker understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? glad hear bozo managed stop 've riding two years , rules traffic light survival try never stop hill behind car stop location , pull almost completely next car front i'm one \( ie car front \) , turn bike somewhat sideways across lane , increase visibility oncoming vehicle make sure keep visible traffic , though \( note bike bright white turning sideways black bike might beneficial \) flat road , stop bit room ahead \( usually two three bike lengths \) \( hopefully \) give room pull forward side car approaches last line vehicles , watch mirrors constantly ! see vehicle approaching , ca n't see evidence indicate slowing , get way ! flicker brake light i'm last vehicle line , pull release brake car approaches behind \( noticed car watching mirrors , course \) vary speed flicker , hoping make cager notice 's something lane ahead , said , 's situation first line feel defenseless 're first line , forward escape route seriously limited move forward extent n't enter intersection leave room behind stop line \( although around , ! light always right next stop line ! \) , watch mirrors think 've decided bike might best way situation ideas first line traffic directly behind \? rob rob erasure u2 rem smiths apple com faa certified cloud wanna drive zamboni !
nstramer supergas dazixco ingr com \( naftaly stramer \) subject peace talks resume nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer dazixco ingr com organization intergraph electronics lines 35 israeline 4 27 93 peace talks resume today israel offer palestinians new proposals israel radio , kol yisrael , reports today 's washington bilateral peace talks , following lasted four months according report , israel expected offer palestinians new proposals regarding authority palestinian executive council , general elections , control land human rights issues territories israel express readiness give palestinians control land previously offered according radio report , one estimate israel give palestinians control much two thirds administered lands , well broad authority water issues israel seek promote offer hold elections territories hopes strengthening position palestinian delegation peace negotiations according israel radio , israeli delegation bilateral talks palestinians offer greater responsibilities palestinian executive council allowing certain legislative capabilities , without making symbol palestinian sovereignty u secretary state warren christopher invited heads gathering tonight first event since madrid conference head american team bilateral peace talks , edward , said tonight 's gathering meant demonstrate u ' active role peace process naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer dazixco ingr com 6101 lookout road , suite voice \( 303 \) 581 2370 fax \( 303 \) 581 9972 boulder , co 80301 quality everybody 's job , 's everybody 's job watch
oml eloka demon co uk \( owen lewis \) subject tempest distribution world organization eloka project management reply oml eloka demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 19 article 1993apr25 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu writes article 1993apr24 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com basic idea behind communications security system absolutely deny access , make access expensive \( time , money , manpower \) worth true security , think , fundamental measure used establishing requisite security level owen lewis tele fax 44 \( 0 \) 794 eloka project management oml eloka demon co uk pgp 2 x public key request
med unc edu \( peter st wecker , \) subject western digital driver originator nntp posting host med unc edu organization unc school medicine lines 20 know 've seen question asked , n't remember seeing answers one know ftp site driver might reside \? 've checked cica , i'm sure 's \( i'm refering new version driver came 2 \( \? \) 93 \) seen c serve , hesitate l 1 meg 2400 bps unless really ! , possible get paradise \( wd \) mail new drivers , n't finally , even worth hassle getting things , much improvement 10 92 version \? thanks info , peter peter st wecker , internet med unc edu \( 919 \) 966 1096 uucp uucp dept physiology , univ north carolina , chapel hill nc
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 201 v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes okay , doctors willingly testify malpractice cases go court \( obviously , absolutely essential prove malpractice \) \? used impossible get doctors \( possible advantage us system wo n't hear ama \) doctors' monopoly exactly u , powerful dictate insurance payment rates , n't know answer one anecdotally , friends md 's \( including main buds high school \) talk hard turn state 's witness someone else direct experience , though also , circumstances may sue insurance plan people , , sue health insurance companies time heard guy alberta came rare eye disease take repeated trips seattle get treated cost family something like 6000 province , years later , still 500 well , american private insurance plans cover travel expenses \? \? \? since public insurance plans publicly accountable , one raise stink media try extort benefits beyond one entitled \( hey , alberta 's fault lives \) lived , wy private insurance would 've told go hell travel expenses 's hmo would kept quiet let go blind well , yeah , tell us national defense medical centre outside ottawa serves purpose bethesda naval hospital since hospitals provide everything , maybe stuff others n't \? \( ottawa 's population quarter million , include surrounding counties \) point something necessarily remain become , detriment mission n't think shown dmc problem , system annual budgets approved government , keep political considerations medical decisions \? bet 're mp mpp , good friends one , 're put hospital 's urgent care list matter minor problem ok unless 're someone gets bumped list people influence get way system , american european 's golden rule gold makes rules \( extent affect system \? urgent care list necessary first place \? 's worth thinking 's regular practice hospital figure needs get facilities n't americans arrange advance operations \? think two standards applied , canada ca n't give beverly hills style treatment everybody 's big brother list 's like calling around town table dinner yeah , private nonprofit foundations make money somehow , especially hospital business yes , tories ottawa trying make rather hope bigger grant feds province next time around whether 's using mop couple weeks longer even selling services americans \( remember , system cash based since health care infrastructure except specialties require larger populations generate business , \? alternative closing unused wards business \) whether canadians would thrilled prospect health services toward americans , would willing pay , another issue entirely \) , must noted said partly grants province getting smaller grants , need attract foreigners make difference \? answered question private nonprofit foundations make money somehow , think 's time acted like private hospitals personally , i'm fed canadian socialists trying tell everyone health care free actually buying insurance \( 's one , bob rae ! ! \) gdp figures combined public private expenditures total , compiled use methods oecd yield 13 14 figure u n't us figures include dentistry canadian one \( recently , anyway \) n't \? since always evaluated oecd style , n't see remember , oecd counts private public funds , canada like france germany , 30 health care spending private funds \( e , basic health insurance money \) happens health care systems financially collapse \? collecting premiums i'm advocate copayments like french system well , spend take , go bankrupt 's simple provincial insurance systems find paying get revenue , wo n't able pay everybody 's primary care yes , infrastructure everybody able continue using rate minor copayments flush abusers remember system insurance policy costs n't rising fast enough ensure adequate copayments deductibles last year , quebec 's user fee proposal came number 5 necessary hike could done rather give raise 's contract time yet , far tell upi clarinet even new reform party , conservatives mildly libertarian faction , holds public health insurance people reminded 's free \( average canadian european naive american counterparts issues like \) mention copayments anywhere seen cutting public spending place , bringing back death penalty , little elected know , pete 's sake , live right border know canadian system n't socialized medicine \( unlike britain 's nhs \) sorry ! \( 's even run people buffalo michigan n't know point , means money runs low plan , 're luck unless afford yeah , 'd lot lead time health care crisis would preclude provincial governments \( bad heck , ndp cleaning spending mess made conservatives saskatchewan embarassing ! \) irresponsible , still health insurance important 's thing inspire open rebellion violent insurrection outside hockey rink right , attempts get system users learn good habits treated like cod liver oil would private insurers take slack \? 'd obligation course , could eventually make money , say true , 'd loathe \( practice handling basic services , \) companies providing extra insurance subsidiaries american companies , parents provide full insurance regardless , firms north easily turn cable tv see well american firms involved basic coverage private firms making much money gotten rid basic coverage run around selves back cooperation providing extras people deserve yeah , eventually 's going create kind two tiered effect noticeable , like britain americans fearful single tier system \( seriously , areas sufficient population two tiered system like french health policy prof , g shea , cited studies nejm indicate population 500 , 000 necessary adequate competition canada , four cities west great lakes population larger anyways , numbers show costs held u barring future like crisis , sudden spending unlikely fact , health allocation one well behaved sectors spending north talk bankruptcy talk radio fodder far away border provinces hit fiscal rough spots cut back , things private insurers offer seem less less like luxuries gap noticeable wo n't overnight , something like would force canada system like french one 's bad thing , change minimal \( e , add copayments frustrate socialists hey , 's free ! \) gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) subject need clipper cheap security \? organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 15 chips perform voice compression expansion ca n't expensive , exist many phones connected line cards , well lot equipment compresses voice grade circuits save cost long distance , satellite circuits ca n't remember generic term chips impression big deal 10 years ago , circuits gotten cheap n't done much lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \)
kmgoh leland stanford edu \( goh \) subject sale air tix bahamas organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution usa lines 20 certificate 2 round trip bahamas expiration date one year maximum value , depending time location , estimated asking 1500 best offer information , call goh \( 415 \) 497 0663 send mail kmgoh leland stanford edu goh meng 116 , wilbur p box 7029 , stanford ca
hofkin software org \( bob hofkin \) subject ati build 59 drivers good \? reply hofkin software org organization software productivity consortium x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 6 build 59 causes 2 exceptions exit windows fact , happen builds 44 , shipped gateway system something wrong , problem commonly overlooked \? bob hofkin
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject obp hurt sac flies \( hbp \? bb \? big cat \? \) organization adobe systems incorporated lines 16 article 1993apr23 rigel econ uga edu stat uga edu \( scott \) writes sorry , gotta disagree last time played ball , went several occasions intending hit fly ball deep enough score runner third advance runner third 's relatively easy actually swing path ball normally would hit good line drive fastballs 's easy , much difficult good breaking balls good hitter excellent bat control voluntarily hit fly balls outfield least , oh , 60 time \? maybe 's blurb stats scoreboard , though n't book , memory best hitting sac flies far 60 number sherri nichols snichols adobe com
hathaway stsci edu subject vandalizing sky lines 46 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 1993apr30 mksol dseg ti com , mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes suggesting minority professional amateur astronomers right dark , uncluttered night sky whence right stem , overrides 'rights' rest us \? let get right sorry , try let get straight well maybe poor choice words someone might think i'm pushing gay agenda let try understand phrasing extreme , minority one , right beautiful world , hand right make ugly one presume speak rest cannot complain curious say i'm objecting floating billboard , presumably , would move around sky , one , legislating wish people bit common courtesy , would consider greed money impacts ethereal aesthetic values make us human includes need wild unspoiled things , including night sky oh , see n't want legislation might impinge want everyone else planet want want everyone wish \( insist putting something impact everyone selfish reasons \) without legislation \? one else even object \? somehow think whole shoving contest gotten way track i'm ready let thread die quick merciful death insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak wm hathaway baltimore md
alfred carleton ca \( jim hardy \) subject get ati card video drivers fonts \? keywords ati , windows organization carleton university distribution usa lines 15 hah access digex net farley access digex com \( charles u farley \) writes anyone know ftp somehow else acquire latest video drivers fonts ati svga adapter \? floppy windows 3 0 anyone know ati still business \? thanks ! farley access digex com charles u farley average iq calgary board ed employee 65 get ati bbs 416 number manuals tech support number tell bbs number
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject first bike honda ascot \? organization louisiana tech university lines 22 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article csi compuserve com csi compuserve com \( nathan betz \) writes hi folks i'm going buying first bike i'm considering 82 honda ascot less 5k miles sound like reasonable choice \? anything special need know \? thanks nathan nice bike loved riding brother law 's dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines god real , unless declared integer came , saw , deleted files black holes god dividing zero world end 5 minutes please log earth 98 full please delete anyone
christopher andrew cmu edu subject \? \? \? mystery part \? \? \? organization freshman , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu mystery part labeled nec 's low voltage supply nec multisync monitor 's three lead part square package like regulator power transistor board labeled part goes \( possibly scr \? \) pin labeled g board goes zener diode \( reference voltage \? \) pin labeled t1 goes negative lead capacitor power supply , pin labeled t2 goes negative side bridge rectifier supply anyone tell , better yet , buy one like , please email andrew cmu edu 've called nec 's monitor repair number know part , n't think find one sell makes sense thanks
pledge netcom com \( alan \) subject sale pocket ethernet adapter keywords ethernet organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 10 pocket ethernet adapter connects pc parallel port network make offer sig construction send suggestions pledge netcom com
long mcntsh enet dec com \( rich long \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization digital equipment corporation lines 19 article exodus eng sun com , gsager heliacal eng sun com \( gary \) writes btw encouraging employees power monitors leaving work , pointed done monitors power switch front indication deleted pet peeve mine wish companies would put power switches front equipment ! apple monitor switch front , would happily power night almost every piece computer equipment use switch back \( including external hard drives modems \? \) hope front mounted switches become norm , soon rich richard c long long mcntsh enet dec com ludicrous speed ! ! go ! ! ! ! ! decwrl ! mcntsh enet dec com ! long dark helmet long mcntsh dec decwrl enet dec com
dance ee washington edu \( lee \) subject extensions organization image computing systems lab , university washington lines 28 nntp posting host dance ee washington edu article 1993apr22 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se writes wondering country extension sometimes n't clue people writing extensions know ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us \? edu us \? \( com edu us \? \) fr france please feel free add list markus nz new zealand au australia jp japan kr korea lee image computing system lab u washington edu
essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) subject exhaust coating disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host relva rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 25 article coburnn spot colorado edu , coburnn spot colorado edu \( nicholas coburn \) writes essbaum rchland vnet ibm com \( alexander essbaum \) writes fzr 's black exhaust pipes rusty researched getting repaired yesterday bought 1500 degree black header paint spent hour sanding two header pipes hand sprayed paint thought clean able get metal sanding determined would n't suprised paint wore chipped month parts deleted axel axel , purchase one exhaust 40 \? look great cheaper powder coating \( dilemma opted quite pleased \) ok 's exhaust bra \? i'm guessing 's fabric thing straps pipes go chin fairing lowers way \? usually n't ride lower plastic axel
william cs ucla edu \( william cheng \) subject wanted diagram drawing program nntp posting host cs ucla edu organization ucla , computer science department lines 51 article tue nl lennart blade stack urc tue nl \( lennart \) writes looking program draw various kinds diagrams linux system must free must run standard \( monochrome \) x small screen size \( 800x600 \) motif openlook etc must compile linux gcc g generic unix software works ok must produce postscript files include latex documents tell another free program converts one supported formats ps must produce drawings larger window size \( \) know several programs , idraw , xfig tgif experience features would like programs ability draw circles , arcs , straight lines , boxes arrows support dashed solid line styles objects support texts size ability move copy resize rotate part drawing ability turn part drawing library component \( e g transistor symbol composed three lines , arrow circle \) aid \( numeric coordinates , screen grid \) align parts drawing less essential , fact handy preservation connection move one part drawing , lines connect part rest drawing , stay connected ideally want tool general flexible comfortable draw electronic schematics , flow charts , logic diagrams , data flow diagrams block diagrams want know programs offer features programs \? demanding programs respect disk space , memory cpu usage \? programs known work linux monochrome x \? list mentioned , tgif handles everything except rotation size text supports 90 degrees rotation currently , supports 11 \( x11r4 standard \) font sizes however , allows arbitrary scaling entire drawing effectively , allows font sizes , 11 different sizes per drawing tgif takes \( compiled option \) sparcstation told compiles linux , n't tried yet works color monochrome x bill cheng ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 645 c hall los angeles , california 90024 usa william cs ucla edu ! uunet ucbvax ! cs ucla edu ! william
robert knowles p00261 psilink com subject pope jewish ! reply bruce cortex nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 35 date tue , 20 apr 1993 18 13 09 gmt r bruce rakes bruce cortex dixie com mcgoy unicorn acs ttu edu \( david mcgaughey \) writes always thought pope bear know , little saying bear shit woods \? pope catholic \? must connection two lines ! always heard bear catholic \? pope \? \? \? \? oh nevermind ! r bruce rakes , software systems manager instruments , inc 8 executive park w , suite 809 , atlanta , ga voice \( 404 \) 315 fax \( 404 \) 315 email bruce com anyone alabama knows bear catholic \? pope shit woods \? pope may bear , bear god \( paul bear bryant , football coach god , university alabama \)
john kim andrew cmu edu subject new yankees mailing list ! ! ! organization junior , im mcs cit track , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 distribution world meaddata meaddata com nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply meaddata meaddata com hi , got tired waiting mailing list going make one send complete e mail address message 'll send confirmation yankee mailing list address john go yankees ! ! !
cck coventry ac uk \( graham wilson \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? nntp posting host cc sysk organization department law coventry university , coventry , uk lines 25 article 1993apr21 news columbia edu cunixa cc columbia edu \( kimball ng \) writes kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) writes one thing bubblejets , bubblejets bubblejets produce rather mediocre output \( hp 's little bubblejet \) , whereas produce really good looking output \( hp 's deskjets \) ibm canon produce really good style bubblejets considering either inkjet bubble jet printer 've seen inkjet printers impressed near lazer quality heard lot bad things cheaper bubble jet printers ink smudge easily take long time dry \? thanks 3 4 c2 l1 \( \) w c e g f k m1 graham wilson cck coventry ac uk b law iii coventry university s8 b g l z n x u v j
mick ie subject looking converters xpm organization financial software lines 7 looking utilities converting gifs jpegs ps etc xpm format \? information appreciated thanks , michael
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject batf fbi right thing waco organization university tennessee , knoxville x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 78 article 1993apr21 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes everyone complaining debacle waco hard understand angst happend nothing less wanted happen sour grapes \? cute word angst conveys volumes 'd interested particular definition 's fluid pronoun batf looking propaganda event counteract impending budget cuts attendance press initial big commando raid proof would ever easier grab koresh central followers shopped waco alas , propaganda value fbi screwed big time , time never allowed situation drag like quick second assault , bds could decide strategy , would better plan bds biggest screw ups though imagined us law us law enforcement jurisdiction within little wrong ! bd paranoid little cult middle nowhere , sudden worst paranoid fears reinforced joy right whatsoever fire batf , mistook identity initially , surrendered realize yes , probably , although many paranoid nuts say held feds 51 days \? bds problem warrants , take court , like rest us wanted full auto weapons , could obtained proper permits , like rest us would need may decide us law applies get chance like rest us voting booth voting booth highly rated people need get lazy butts every year every two years hell , n't even batf fbi become latter day gestapo , become way desired , decided n't make enough difference us get something 's something , instance , lot people go speak gun control bills local government dozens pro gun speakers show , often win anyway \? n't matter shows , matters 's willing scream afterwards n't people give damn one way , n't nobody gives damn anybody beyond little worlds get vote laws , lawmakers choices years , approved creation form batf fbi fbi chasing , general public n't seem mind bit extra constitutional activity general public 's usually even read constitution learned distorted picture whole thing david veal university tennessee division continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed pushed elevator shaft sometimes get thinking n't love anymore weird al yankovic
mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) subject little satanic lines 34 kent sandvik jon livesey made essentially response , time kent 's article gets reply agree , started one particular point time , n't know starting point copied actually happened begs question whether ever started perhaps accuracy always intention even worse , events nt written eye witness accounts \( high probability looking possible dates first gospels ready \) take account problems information forwarded , indeed makes little difference eyewitnesses people one step away \( reporters , \) said earlier , telephone metaphor innately bad , purpose game telephone contrary aims writing sorts texts \( also , would point , standards generally asserted group , distinction eyewitnesses others hollow , since nobody shown eyewitness , indeed , even shown author text \) evidence original texts either ot nt largely lost time sea errors , corrections , additions deletions case nt , evidence strongly direction r text differ low level significance reasonable assume similar situation ot , based nt model c wingate peace god , peace , strife closed sod mangoe cs umd edu yet , brothers , pray one thing tove ! mangoe marv'lous peace god
msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) subject ray lankford question organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 12 anybody know going lankford \? know games slight injury , since \( injury matter \) really struggling plate ray lankford saw last year \? \? \? msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs ! ! ! one likes believe freedom baseball geddy lee
ucsd edu \( james \) subject usrobotics courier hst 14 4 sale summary modem sale lines 22 nntp posting host ucsd edu us robotics courier hst 14 4k modem external \( volume control , led display , power switch \) 1600 1700 cps compressed file transfers \( higher uncompressed files \) manuals original packaging modem costs around 500 v 42 error control v 42bis data mnp class 5 error free throughput 38 , 400 bps special price ! ! ! ! 220 ! ! ! ! ! ! please inquire questions email sdcc13 ucsd edu call voice 619 622 1949 james
emcguire intellection com \( ed mcguire \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization intellection , inc lines 15 skates gsfc nasa gov dsc gemini gsfc nasa gov \( doug \) writes anyone cite example defense successful \? source \? please take thread tx politics talk politics guns exist tx politics , talk politics guns instead , eh \? ed mcguire 1603 lbj freeway , suite 780 systems administrator dallas , texas member technical staff 214 620 2100 , fax 214 484 intellection , inc ed intellection com 1993apr3 tygra michigan com run anonymous server staying rest life , 55 years
mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) subject hard soft strong weak kiss ! organization cat mat x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 19 20 apr 93 08 31 07 gmt timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) wrote mccullou whipple cs wisc edu writes writing someone else , probably like , seem soft atheist sorry flamage get back using terms strong atheist weak atheist rather hard atheist soft atheist imagine future discussions newbies confusion multiplication descriptions rest deleted mike mcangus truth still truth mam mouse cmhnet org even choose ignore \( old sig viruses still best \)
raistlin uni paderborn de \( markus koch \) subject x motif config file hp ux 8 0 \? \? organization uni gh paderborn , germany lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host uni paderborn de hello everybody ! i'm trying compile motif 1 2 1 hp running hp ux 8 05 it' seems succesful , hp cf config files hp ux 7 0 tried standard cc x compiled lot warnings motif applications compiled quite well , wo n't run receive xkeysymdb error reported faq , cannot fix xkeysymdb file right location works fine sunos probably started compilation wrong config file please help ! thanx advance markus markus koch universitaet gh paderborn email raistlin uni paderborn de phone 49 60 str 100 49 60 paderborn , germany markus koch universitaet gh paderborn email raistlin uni paderborn de str 100 phone 49 60 paderborn , germany
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject monitors nanao \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 7 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu good report list good monitors months issue computer shoppers magazine , phone \( april issue \) 2 99 sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject 1994 mustang organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 13 way 5 0 camaro drums rear breaks hello , 90 's \? vlasis theodore good point would think car companies would make 4 wheel disc standard done really cost much disc \? especially think economies scale would gain making 4 wheel disc seperate parts numbers orders etc btw , z28 trans formula disc , bottom line models rear drums
dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) subject laws god \( kind loving god ! ! \) reply mlee post royalroads ca 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 18 09 51 gmt organization software engineering institute lines 155 mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) writes mlee ra royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes laws written israelites , god 's chosen people god expressly set apart rest world israelites direct witness god 's existence disobey god knowing god real would outright denial god therefore immediately punishable remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike sorry late thread , thought god supposed constant never changing reconcile common christian view paragraph \? god never changes sorry , yes , description still loves us sending jesus one attempts reconcile mankind humorous , notion knowing , powerful god must attempt reconcile lowly creations realize possible penetrate logic , chance might consider omnipotent god need attempt anything , attempt reconcile implies lack omniscience \? projecting human weaknesses onto god also , 're 1 reconcile kind loving god ! ! judeo christian view sin one time immediately punishable death \? killing people sinning god 's way showing kindness love \? sinning face god punishable immediate death several ot passages back god god humans sinners , thus pre jesus humans punished death n't punished sin , course , god changed required brutal , sadistic sacrifice blood order allow us sin without immediate death cannot tolerate sin midst yet changed sadistic murder son made tolerant sins besides , midst everywhere , statement meaningless sin hell , surely midst well also , given knowing , must eternal knowledge commit sins , well , tolerance anything absolute nonsense , unless god indeed knowing powerful , unless n't take personal interest everyday affairs claim israelites knew ! still , chose disobey destroyed people kind loving \? relevant claim kindness made reference god nature creations victims issue god gave every break could end , really choice matter see knowing god know ultimate outcome would , powerful god choice matter seeing failing achieve salvation , sent son die us ultimate sin offering miss something \? give indication kind loving god require sadistic human sacrifice allow botched creations achieve salvation \? 2 fact longer admission part made mistake \? sent son consolation us , love note answer physically follows question , fail discern connection two way , \? 3 living age grace , mean sins , god us eternal hell die , rather killing us immediately \? , eternal damnation example kind loving god ! ! \? hey , let 's fair moment kind loving mean free ride \? way , note record n't answer questions amount give take relationship parents supposed kind loving mean children whatever want \? ! part parent means administering punishment child fault death eternal damnation idea correctional punishment \? hope n't parent part parent means giving instruction god tests us trial life may grow stronger teaches right wrong quite elaborate fantasy 've constructed , sadly lacks basis reality also address questions raised consequences actions made clear us , heaven hell god follow warned us , would good parent god describe good parent , tyrant parenting , parent issues warning follow , children take parent 's words seriously god telling us ears hear life 's trials , see folly rather warns us consequences rejecting comes time judgement sorry , god bible whose rules follow , god koran \? vedas \? book koresh \? oh , yes , 's clear follow \? bully
sac saic com \( steve conroy \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization saic lines 37 article 1993apr20 wvnvms wvnet edu , nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com , snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand major league baseball trying expand appeal people shorter attention spans \( e football crowd \) \( invariably , arguments people n't like watch baseball v say thing games long boring baseball trying find way shorten games wider v appeal look , though , baseball games last around amount time football games difference action duration football games perhaps action baseball games , would get fans tune anyway , coming solution make baseball appealing bigger crowd going difficult soapbox yet another reason get since 's obvious ruling baseball works fast snail race nebraska soapbox steve steve conroy conroy terminus saic com i'm gone , man solid gone ! science applications international corporation
amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( alois himsl \) subject dumbest automotive concepts time organization lehigh university lines 15 article 1993apr15 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov , nancy hayduke \( nancy feagans \) writes ashtrays cigarette lighters option nancy j feagans \( 818 \) 306 jet propulsion lab nancy jpl devvax jpl nasa gov shred evidence exists favor idea life serious forget cigarette lighter plug essential plugging radar detectors lights ashtrays also essential great places keep change tokens al h
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject baltic states realism 'virvir' drivel reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 171 article 1993may11 husc3 harvard edu harvard edu \( mikhail \) writes words behaves mutlu , would carry similar treatment \( especially oversized articles 90 scanned propagandist stuff easily available decent library \) typical 'virvir' drivel people think 're looney howling wires think things up' anyone else , must also believe aliens outer space come earth regularly abduct 'arromdians' asala sdpa arf medical experiments stronger evidence know \? american officer genocide 2 5 million muslim people armenians 1914 1920 , crook idiot like source world alive , personal story robert dunn crown publishers , inc , new york \( 1952 \) \( memoirs american officer witnessed armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) p 361 \( seventh paragraph \) p 362 \( first paragraph \) 'the inside houses come look ' 'no , dammit ! stomach n't ' 'one turkish officer uniform must see ' trees mosque , open space 'i n't believe , said , followed nail door man pushed , spurred away , leaving check corpse thought , charge constant , teeth went inside place cool ashes , dark first , stone walls window rags mud floor around iron embers vented smoke roof beams black soot looked bare empty , inner room flies buzzed door swung shut behind saw came man 's body lying face , naked fifty years old left face rifle butt bashed eye one left slanted , tartars rather turks uniform gone , 'd proof , quickly went , mess slashed genitals p 363 \( first paragraph \) 'how many people lived \? ' 'oh , eight hundred ' see turk officers \? ' 'no , sir dawn tartar civilians mufti ' lieutenant , , small hours voice woke dro 's stood starlight officer anyone long furiously 'd never heard abruptly dro broke laughter , quick simple child 's cover sense guilt , thought , hoped somehow , despite boast , christian massacring horrible reverse would , armenian villagers poured miles around women plundered happily , like ravens picked carcass djul hauled every 's , last scrap food cloth , staggered away , packing pots , saddlebags , , even spinning wheels lot , dro , ' said back camp 'but must leave ' shook hands , captain said 'a , mon ' hours old scout plodded north across plains like lot 's wife looked back see smoke bathing , doubtless sack moslem villages line snow iran ' p 354 morning tea , dro officers spread map whole high region called karabakh deep tactics , spoke russian , got contempt allied zones distrust promises made tribal chiefs campaign shaped raids moslem villages p 358 three hours take , dro told 'd close three sides men foot shoot , use bayonets , said , rifle morale , dro put must keep moslems terror soldiers civilians \? asked difference , said dro armed , uniform women children \? fly others best may p 360 ridges circled wide , floors still hundreds feet , fog held , solid cotton flock lies , ' said dro , pointing men also attack sides ' , ee ! ' whistle lined rock edge bayonets clicked upon plunged , black followed staff , horde nose tail , bellies taking spur armenia action seemed like war , even though heard utica brass roar watched height , took ages djul show clear tsing machine gun fire took thumping batteries cattle , dogs , invisible , ate hunk cheese drank snow puddle mist last folded upward men shouted , first heard faintly came shrill wailing among cloud streaks rose darker smoke red house walls stone wattle , dry weeds roofs mosque stood clump trees , thick green crooked alleys fire , figures mounted foot ! ' shouted gunner others escape rocks , one twisted bronze shell nose , loaded , yanked breech cord , firing shots wasted , thought , afternoon looked vain fallen branch body shots white bursts shrapnel gullies drowned women 's cries length shooting got horse rode toward djul burned still little flame showed way steep tough , dense scrub finally flatter ground came suddenly , , smoldering houses across trampled wheat brothers arms leading animals , several calves lamb p 361 \( fourth paragraph \) corpses came next , first pretty child straight black hair , large eyes looked twelve years old lay stubble meal lay scattered sack 'd toting bayonet gone back , judged , blood around scant breasts one clot , small bullet wound , dress next boy ten less , rawhide jacket knee pants lay face path several huts one arm reached bowl 'd carried , upset upon dough steel neck , spine , , saw led around djul empty living till looked see beside dro 's german speaking colonel said tartars escaped dead p 358 stories armenian murdering turks czarist troops fled north hosts told duty keep tabs , turkish troop shifts , hidden arms , spies christian , red tartar coming spoke hell would break loose versailles put , threatened , six vilayets turkey control erevan armenia without armenians ! turks christian rule \? lips smacked irony droopy red moustache 's bloodshed smyrna bigger scale serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject eye dominance organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 35 bbenowit telesciences com \( barry benowitz \) writes article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com \( richard silver \) writes right eye dominance \( eyedness \? \) overall right handedness population \? mean people require less lens corrections one eye \? , kinds percentages attached \? thanks yes , thing eye dominance , although sure dominance refers strength recall , selectively close dominant eye , image shifts happen close eye believe eye dominant related handedness , ca n't recall relation moment barry benowitz read great book eye dominance several years ago one book least one \) several types eye dominance person looks memory usually indicates type eye another type related coordination activities like hitting ball another reading n't read one discussed prescription strength although people bad vision , near far sighted would tend depend stronger eye jackie
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject long term human missions organization texas instruments inc lines 28 jgladu 128 249 27 63 jgladu bcm tmc edu \( grungy \) writes article 1993apr29 weizmann ac il , ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il \( ward paul \) wrote want people back space program must good thing think tell things using spinoffs space program way prove worth vote pay taxes continued existence space program relies upon money agree ward problem approach add reasonably claim , add 's spent space , come back something like , spent x billion \? would n't better spend money direct research forget space stuff \? could got stuff lot cheaper way space wasteful inefficient cancel funding spend studying mating rituals new guinea something insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
nuscc nus sg \( kiong beng kee \) subject organization national university singapore x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 16 wife first two months pregnancy son \( 3 months old \) , breast fed , symptoms skin specialist , merely prescribed various medicines \( one visit though trial error \) \) anti worked , looks like becoming less effective solutions \? thanks kiong beng kee dept information systems computer science national university singapore lower kent ridge road , singapore 0511
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject usa mcweekly stats organization adobe systems incorporated lines 9 article 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) writes uh , bill james n't sell statistics sells books statistics , business providing stats like elias , stats , howe , baseball workshop etc bill james , however , closely tied stats sherri nichols snichols adobe com
thomas kephart kephart snowhite eeap cwru edu subject system 6 0 8l organization case school engineering lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host b62182 student cwru edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id b62182 student cwru edu x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 00 08 01 gmt lines 5 , ernest stalnaker jcs sage cc purdue edu oo oo ! pur ee ! sage cc ! jcs nice train wait mac hardware , mac \?
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center u23590 uicvm uic edu subject change name \? \? cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio lines 17 post want , foreigner 'd rather hear 'll support fascist writes salary edu site types ! expect police come assault , lay siege refuse help \( yes , let 's give benefit doubt \) accidently burn ranch home \? even though ey emergency vehicles nearby \? proper response keep \? even hurt anyone \? 're cooperative cops occasionally come \? hope watkins earth eecs uic edu
ccw nosubdomain nodomain \( christopher wood \) subject apple li organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 14 article 75 uupcb hal9k ann arbor mi us , barry davis hal9k ann arbor mi us \( barry davis \) writes lisa originally introduced 1980 '81 , forget , sold 9995 2 floppy drives 1mb memory n't well grin close , cigar lisa introduced january , 1983 \( time apple e \) 'll check see hard drive came bundled 10k floppy drives 5 25 initially \( infamous drives \) chris wood bellcore ccw ctt bellcore com
csd4 csd uwm edu \( scott r violet \) subject looking code brake image sub bands organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 11 distribution usa nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator csd4 csd uwm edu hi , working project need brake image sub bands work since never done anything like , n't even understand concept sub bands , wondering software would allow hints \? thanks , scott violet \( csd4 csd uwm edu \)
gatech edu \( nguyen \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? reply gatech edu \( nguyen \) lines 35 another alternative cover adhesive another piece duct tape remove tape still n't work , try wd 40 article athena cs uga edu , mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes article stephens ngis stephens geod emr ca \( dave stephenson \) writes mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes n't know sure work , might try mek \( methyl ethyl keytone \? \) worked getting stickum left shelf paper , etc use mek sake wear safty glasses better still industrial goggles small est drop eye etc please watch attributions advocated using mek michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) subject earth also pollutes organization university virginia lines 16 article dzvb3b6w164w cellar org techie cellar org \( william bacon \) writes fury mother nature clearly , man long way go match nature environment bullshit many lakes ceased able support life purely natural pollution \? man already done scores lakes also , much degredation cite done cows pigs think many cows around \? could cause people raise \? legalize freedom
rrg rtp fibercom com \( rhonda gaines \) subject sale 1990 mazda mx 6 reply rrg fibercom com distribution usa organization fibercom , inc , roanoke , virginia lines 19 nntp posting host rtp 1990 mazda mx 6 5 spd c fm cassette cruise tilt steering white w interior excellent condition 73k miles 7500 best offer rhonda rhonda gaines , systems network administrator internet gaines fibercom com fibercom , inc , p box , uucp ! uunet ! fibercom ! gaines roanoke , va 1966 fax 703 342 phone 703 342 6700 800 423 1183
goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) subject data transfer rate new 2100 series fs 2 micropolis hd 's nntp posting host apache utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 19 question y'all i'm looking ad new 3 5 fast scsi 2 drives micropolis june , 1993 , macworld \( seen similar ads ide versions ibm pc magazines \) well , ad says three drives fast scsi 2 interface , says dtr rate drive 5 megabytes second , max \? thought drive fast scsi 2 dtr second \? \( assuming sec claim micropolis 512k cache admit would impressed drive read write data second ! \) thank
keith dseg ti com \( keith \) subject dod confessional organization texas instruments information technology group lines 29 article 1993apr21 551 bnr ca mbeaving bnr ca writes hate motorcycles first thought phase though would get used n't happen tried gazing 900 customs , thats pretty hard since cb900 customs n't introduced 1980 find pre 80 one , hold onto worth big bucks day \? everytime read sig containing wheel wonder , shudder feel pity poor soul suffered enough mine wheels methinks need homework better employer idea i'm talking ! obviously , neither keith texas instruments plain , texas 80 cb900 custom dod insane society , sane man must appear insane ama company knowledge actions
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject islamic authority women organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 16 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature , function religion course , history believe distort history way know exaclty 're , affect however , underestimate power religion creating historical events also big misunderstanding instance , would 30 year old war ever started fractions protestants vatican \? cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
tzs stein u washington edu \( tim smith \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization university washington school law , class '95 lines 12 nntp posting host stein u washington edu an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) writes aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , president balls enough stand decision contempt ignore yup , quite president make decision 12 disagree tim smith
wustl edu \( edward anthony \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet nntp posting host organization washington university , school engineering , st louis mo lines 18 hmmm celp takes 12 6 mips full duplex , implemented million dsp chips 56001 card pc cost 700 , i'm sure demand goes prices would drop analog devices board 're looking cost 500 \( academic price \) n't think hardware something worry get working , people snap internet phone cards like tomorrow need good implementation celp \( government code absolute crap , got 30 speedup looking couple hours \) , modifications pgp allow compress decompress 144 bit frames every think enough juice \( \) part project i'm working , 're trying get celp running realtime full duplex mode gotta find source pgp see tough would integrate en decryption parts code 'll play anyone else got setup \? ed \) \( '' \) \( \( , , \) \) \( '' \) \( \( , , \) \) see instructions edward , cec1 wustl edu side card
usc edu \( lance \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 25 distribution na nntp posting host usc edu article bu edu , uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes conserveative believe law order conserveative move centralized regime really scares , mostly know cant go far wrong intelligence american people tell 's going keep safe drug dealers terrorists , let put cameras home one point 'd like make , people seem forgotten one underlining principles constitution distrust governmental authority control checks balances realize distrust power everyone seems forgotten well original reason bill rights guaranteed right bear arms 's inclusion allow protect citizens , prevent government taking away means protecting armed aggressive government hard oppress citizenry armed fanatic , i'm retired naval officer spent much time defending , perhaps understand purpose well plan lance
mazz pluto \( richard \) subject problem wallpaper display corrupt bitmaps 512k keywords problem wallpaper bitmap win3 1 organization uni newcastle , australia lines 26 problem wallpaper desktop , 1024x768x256 mode bitmap files bigger 512k \( slightly less sometimes depending exact dimensions \) , wallpaper display badly corrupted rest desktop fine wallpaper bitmaps smaller , problem friend 800k bitmap problems , possible also possible display bitmaps using cshow 1024x768x256 mode problem , video card fault remedy \? system , 4mb ram dos 6 0 , windows 3 1 oak 1mb 077 video card , 1024x768x256 mode , using supplied drivers windows permanent 11 , swap file please reply via e mail , use address sig , post software always seems address header thanks , mazz richard ph student uni newcastle ph \( \) mazz newcastle edu au australia
zander eclipse sheridanc ca \( mark zander \) subject read harddrive nntp posting host eclipse sheridanc ca organization college , ontario , canada lines 13 computers college files would like make read used dos command people , carry around program pockets , still able erase important files software packages would make entire drive read \? example , partition drive two partitions first drive contain important files read second drive could read write enquiries help would appreciated thanx mark zander sheridanc ca
prism gatech edu \( ray \) subject v max handling request organization georgia institute technology lines 26 article tcora b329 gator 3 pica army mil tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) writes jearls tekig6 pen tek com \( jeffrey david earls \) wrote ba7116326 ntuvax ntu ac sg writes hello anyone handson experience riding yamaha v max , pls kindly comment handling \( vmax racing horror story deleted \) portland international 2 2 v v max handling \? actually , racer , william , considered running vmax took practice day , really annoyed 600 riders usually got caught behind sideways vmax corners , passed going , 'd blow straight \( usually \) needless say , since 2 seconds faster 1977 , decided vmax bad ray 623 expert single minded guy
mkr comtech com \( mark k \) subject 15 bit rgb organization comtech labs inc , palo alto distribution usa lines 3 working 24 bit rgb bmp files need 15 16 bit images convert 24 bit images 15 16 bit rgb images \? thanks !
pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov article shaman wv tek com , andrew frip wv tek com \( andrew klossner \) wrote lpt1 , com1 , disk controller call devices devices requires exclusive interrupt ownership , eg disk controller \( i6 \) keyboard \( i1 \) also devices require exclusive ownership , ie share interrupt another device , eg lpt1 standard isa bus , one almost non laptop pcs use , two separate interface cards cannot share interrupt due screwup bus design example , soundblaster wants drive interrupt number 7 , must hold certain bus wire 0 1 times , depending whether wants interrupt precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7 two devices isa bus pc share interrupt , 's 're implemented single card interesting would care explain , soundblaster pro card printer card sharing irq 7 successfully \? assure set irq 7 problem computer dtk 286 12 ibm clone paul bartholomew pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject homosexuality reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 11 going stop reading homosexuality posts , least , repeated seemingly personal attacks via post e mail \( mainly e mail \) anyone specific comment , suggestion , note contain name calling , etc would like read , send via e mail would like copy file mentioned moderator issue attempted get via ftp unable christ 's love , bryan
carl andrew cmu edu subject cherry new pens \? organization junior , materials science engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 22 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply d88 1 cs cmu edu kbl penguins new deal , giving kbl tv radio rights pens games plans kbl would like entire night hockey , starting 7 00 pre game show running post game show would sign 11 00 \( depending upon length game \) cherry announcing penguins games yeah , \( quote pgh 's goofy mayor \) i'm queen lori contact penguins lli cs cmu edu well watching hockey hotline last night stan said station \( kbl \) recieving calls day concerning subject verdict almost exclusively nobody wanted load mouth , know blow hard , former bruin , ulf hating , scum sucking , pr ck pittsburgh permanent basis 's exactly stan said bit cmu kiddie
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject nikon camera 50 organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 4 nikon af camera 35 2 8 lens camera case package 50 send e mail
bell nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( e v bell , ii nssdc hstx gsfc nasa \( 301 \) 513 \) subject displaying compressed voyager images mac organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 38 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 sorry , 've lost track asked question originally \( news server gsfc keeps things around tremendously short periods time \) , wanted certain replied someone asked displaying compressed images voyager imaging cd roms mac peter ford \( mit \) pointed , decompression program available via ftp \( sorry , n't remember name node offhand , although 's mit edu \) case , though , one mac display programs \( cd rom browser dana swift \) display compressed images directly program shareware distributed nssdc nominal reproduction costs \( 9 shipping , memory serves \) cover shareware price go dana diligent work upgrades , however request current pricing information , information available display software , catalogs , data nssdc , contact user support office national space science data center coordinated request user support office \( \) mail code 633 nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt , md 20771 phone \( 301 \) 286 6695 fax \( 301 \) 286 dr edwin v bell , ii e mail mail code 633 9 \( span \) bell national space science nssdc bell data center nssdca bell nasa bell goddard space flight center \( internet \) bell nssdca gsfc nasa gov greenbelt , md 20771 \( 301 \) 513
wilfred hansen cs cmu edu subject 2 version andrew 5 1 organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 97 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xannounce expo lcs mit edu andrew consortium school computer science carnegie mellon pleased announce auis 5 1 1 2 4 26 93 andrew user interface system version 5 1 \( cdrom version \) developed aix version 3 1 ibm rs 6000 many platforms accomodate aix version 3 2 , created patch sources patch accompanying instructions application retrieved charge via anonymous ftp internet host andrew cmu edu \( 128 2 45 40 \) directory without internet access , 3 5 diskette ordered 10 sending , faxing , purchase order address base 5 1 system ordered us cdrom ftp'ed host note patch adds additional functionality simply allows auis compile 2 andrew user interface system \( auis \) comprehensive environment top x11 windows create , use , mail multi media applications documents major advantage auis capability embed objects thus , one edit text contains multiple fonts , , , also contains embedded raster images , spreadsheets , drawing editors , equations , simple animations , embedded objects contain objects , including text auis three components andrew user environment integrated extensible set applications beginning ez text editor , help system , system monitoring tool , editor based shell interface , editors corresponding various available types objects andrew toolkit \( atk \) portable , object oriented user interface toolkit provides architecture wherein objects embedded one another toolkit , programmers create new objects embedded easily come system andrew message system \( ams \) provides multi media interface mail bulletin boards ams supports several mail management strategies implements many advanced features including authentication , return receipts , automatic sorting mail , vote collection , , audit trails related messages , subscription management also provides variety interfaces support low function personal computers addition high function workstations current public release andrew , version 5 1 , includes support new internet mime \( multipurpose internet mail extensions \) standards , multimedia mail newer release , 5 2 , members andrew consortium numerous additional features including new editors drawings , images , fonts , user preferences remote andrew demo service try andrew work station via remote andrew demo service need host machine internet running x11 window system 'll able compose multimedia documents , navigate interactive andrew tour , use andrew message system browse cmu 's four thousand bulletin boards newsgroups get started remote andrew demo service , simply run following command machine finger help atk itc cmu edu service give instructions information andrew available information requests andrew consortium carnegie mellon university smith hall 106 5000 forbes avenue pittsburgh , pa 15213 3890 usa phone 1 412 268 6710 fax 1 412 682 info andrew request andrew cmu edu contact info andrew request andrew cmu edu additional information
evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( mark evans \) subject americans sexually repressed \? nntp posting host uhura organization aston university x newsreader tin version 1 1 lines 22 jamie r mccarthy \( k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \) wrote cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest number \? zero \? time heard mention mechanism respect female homosexuality resulting heterosexual childhood abuse \( one several factors affecting person \) mr cramer appears concentrate male homosexuality doubt mind mark evans evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 429 9199 \( home \) evansmp cs aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 359 6531 \( office \)
ton berkeley edu \( young jin kim \) subject '89 toyota camry 9000 organization best lab , uc berkeley lines 4 distribution world nntp posting host chess berkeley edu toyota camry le 4 dr sedan ac power windows locks miles , asking 9000 pls call 510 526 send e mail account
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 33 arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes simple take physics books , start looking statements say objective physics doubt find might find statements objective length , objective location , objective physics \? perhaps different understanding physics ca n't measure anything objectively , answers get physics n't objective either 's mean say 's objective physics sure , agree \( say \) f r 2 , 's maths 's physics relate real world , ca n't objectively , 're stuck \( course , displays blatant bias towards applied science even theoretical physics gets applied models real world situations , based real world observations \) \( consider , instance , speed light vacuum invariant sounds awful lot like objective speed light vacuum \) 's axiom 's invariant two us measure , 'll get different answers yes , call experimental error , 's really error conventional sense fact , n't get , 's error \) could argue value c objective , within value 'd call rather odd usage word objective , opens way statements like murder objectively wrong people , within 1 total population mathew
n3022 cray com \( jim knoll \) subject patti duke 's problem lines 6 nntp posting host reply n3022 cray com organization cray research , inc anyone information struggles patti duke went personal life severe mood swings form chemical imbalance triggered problems \? recall wrote book troubles someone title book \?
avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) subject powerbook duo memory system slow organization dso , stanford university lines 17 hi hardware gurus know kind memory architecture apple uses powerbook duos \? powerbook general \? factors make duo 210 slow compared desktop machine running processor speed \( 25mhz 68030 \) \? many wait states memory system , etc \? kind data bus use \? 32 bit 16 bit \? 's still slow plugged duodock anyone know general kind notebook manufacturers take making notebooks \? heard 486dx2 66 notebook getting whopping 10 mips rating similar desktop machine getting 3 times , guess avery
skcla monsanto com subject dod pins ! organization , , il lines 34 hi kids ol' pal \( keeper pin money ! \) 've got good new bad news good news got laid er pins coming , use computer software phrase , real soon bad news right placed order , company upped minimum order manufacturing got wire \( order 115 pins \) , result low number pins , relegated 'll get runs bin result , seems may another 4 5 weeks beloved geeky guiding along \( thought dashboard foolish hmmm , , madonna sitting dashboard , could dangerous hell i'm tough \) please continue patient soon arrive , 'll post grand announcement , rush messiah way directly abode meantime , need revised versions holy word geeky , please send 15 95 cash money order \( cod 's \) ranch er geeky , 305 cyberspace place i'm msf class hope 's boring wife made go ! michael menard
mayne pipe cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) subject alleged deathbed conversions \( asimov stamp \) organization florida state university computer science department reply mayne cs fsu edu lines 32 article netcom com sheaffer netcom com \( robert sheaffer \) writes happen old allegation deathbed conversion noted examples deathbed conversion claims common utterly unsubstantiated , almost certainly untrue would quick say almost certainly untrue even strong minded people may fall back childhood indoctrination , grasp , strange things faced extreme suffering , mention physiological problems may lead diminished mental capacity risk restarting old argument accusations appeal authority remind readers posted back kind late atheist dr albert sabin old interview rebroadcast public radio death told time years stricken serious illness admitted cried god critically ill turned recovered lived several years recovery attributed early indoctrination n't say could n't happen , n't happened others , even one people experienced things like people different admire dr sabin admitting human weakness instance would think less asimov similar weakness nevertheless agree reports unsubstantiated may well untrue case evidence anything besides power early indoctrination human bill mayne
jgd dixie com \( john de armond \) subject truth waco organization dixie communications public access mouth south distribution usa lines 74 dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes massive dan mercifully deleted last sentence says hell \( government \) judge religion wrong event , hope , recorded history american holocaust people murdered us government surely jews nazis hang head shame 've allowed government become never judged religion , actions lived quiet , religious life claimed , would raid , siege , deaths instead , chose courses action every turn least stupid , irrational first stockpile weapons second shoot federal agents third stay inside last time checked , arsenal practicing kind religion mentioned passing bill rights guess 's ok brush 'em aside order justify killing bunch religious , eh \? idiots run daily life , dan , type scare 'll accept expediency coward 's safety belief long government tells assume anyone n't beliefs ways thinking wrong therefore bad worse , seem accept without question government says wrong wrong david koresh 's religion mine , neither baptists , methodists , catholics rest corporate religions even though koresh 's , baptists , methodists , etc , n't believe way , recognize religions equally valid mine importantly equally protected 1st amendment see , i'm much different koresh suspect many others fit catagory read bible many times learned , discovered lot corporate religions practice n't justified interpretation bible therefore go way koresh neither anyone else , either individually collectively great socialist right whatsoever tell koresh religions wrong seem think would oh easy davidians forsake everything believed walk compound order save think \( 're capable \) moment belief hold would abandon belief suddenly told government \? would beneath contempt let 's assume belief hold dear enough commit life think would correct course action government initiate actions specifically designed force make forsake die decision \? forsake die option exactly government forced davidians day first wave black clad fired first shot tossed first grenade fbi day 51 sent heavy armor 80 odd men , women children holed old building armed small arms people stayed , held beliefs personal safety , whose individual personal honors demanded die rather submit , believed bill rights meant exactly says , people go deepest respect , regardless religion people like blithely blow murder 80 people well could come get contempt 'd spit face network us 're worth ashes people burned john john de armond , wd4oqc interested high performance mobility \? performance engineering magazine \( tm \) interested high tech computers \? marietta , ga send ur snail mail address jgd dixie com perform dixie com free sample mag lee harvey oswald ya need ya \?
u tokyo ac jp \( ito \) subject bmp format mean \? organization department infomation science , faculty science , university tokyo , japan lines 508 reply robertsa unix2 tcd ie 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 14 48 04 gmt nntp posting host u tokyo ac jp article robertsa unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie \( andrew l roberts \) writes exactly windows bitmap format look like \? mean , data stored width , height , colours , bitmap data \? could n't find anything ths user manual , reference material would give information \? thomas sunshine kodak com \( thomas kinsman \) newsgroups comp os ms windows programmer misc , alt binaries pictures utilities subject dib bmp creation guide , requested keywords dib bmp bitmaps file formats message id kodak kodak com date 23 dec 92 21 44 32 gmt sender news kodak kodak com organization electronics , rochester , ny lines 484 xref cradle comp os ms windows programmer misc guide creation dib images thomas b kinsman electronics 29 rd rochester , ny kodak com copyright march 15 , 1991 abstract format images created use ms windows 3 0 3 1 applications documented ms windows programmer 's reference guide guide intended clearify wording specifications , put forth recommendation among various alternatives please send updates corrections suggestions revisions please thank writing time keeping name document thank respect document copyright , 1991 , thomas b kinsman desired , postscript version document available information free get pay n't sue i'm wrong overview dib image file format intended device independent bitmap file format \( microsoft means device independent unclear \) four pixel resolutions supported 1 bit , 4 bit , 8 bit , 24 bit pixels images intended use dos \( ibm , little \) systems creating another architecture byte swap short long integer values convention , dib images end extension bmp march 15 , 1991 2 super set earlier bitmap image files consequently sometimes hear dib files referred bmp files since dib images files super set , three flavors dib images dos dib images recommended convention , form describe create intended applications running ms windows 3 0 dos environment os 2 dib images understanding flavor dib images used presentation manager old style bitmap images march 15 , 1991 3 differences flavors dos dib images consist 1 bitmapfileheader file header identifies file dib file header also gives total size image file , offset image data 2 bitmapinfoheader image header specifies image attributes 3 optional palette colors used image exists , may contain 2 , 16 , 256 entries entry windows rgbquad structure 4 image data os 2 dib images consist 1 bitmapfileheader file header identifies file dib file header also gives total size image file , offset image data 2 image header specifies image attributes 3 optional palette colors used image , exists may contain 2 , 16 , 256 entries entry windows structure 4 image data old style image bitmap consists 1 either bitmapinfoheader header type determined first long integer \( dword \) value 2 optional color palette palette may composed either windows rgbquad structures \( header bitmapinfoheader \) windows structures \( header \) 3 image data creating dib image files creating dos dib image file consists several straight forward steps headers need created written file header structures defined ms windows 3 0 windows h include file palette information needs stored images 24 bit images five general steps 1 filling bitmapfileheader bitmapinfoheader structures basic image information 2 image 1 bit , 4 bit , 8 bit image , creating color palette 3 calculating total file size putting information march 15 , 1991 4 field bitmapfileheader 4 calculating offset image data start file , putting field bitmapfileheader 5 writing file bitmapfileheader , bitmapinfoheader , color palette , image data \( order \) following sections describe structures terms microsoft c type defined keywords following table describes keywords familiar microsoft c type defined keywords microsoft c typedef meaning byte unsigned character word two byte unsigned integer dword four byte unsigned integer march 15 , 1991 5 bitmapfileheader structure defined windows h typedef struct word dword word word dword bitmapfileheader field two ascii characters 'b' serves identify file dib image file intel byte ordered machine \( ibm compatible \) , constant formed c quantity \( 8 'b' \) intel system field total size file purposes field equal size bitmapfileheader , plus size bitmapinfoheader , plus number entries color palette times size rgbquad , plus number bytes image data image data written uncompressed form , value calculated ahead time otherwise , field needs filled later fields always set zero field set offset start image data start file purposes , field set size bitmapfileheader , plus size bitmapinfoheader , plus number entries color palette times size rgbquad works image data written write color palette one exists march 15 , 1991 6 bitmapinfoheader structure defined windows h typedef struct dword dword dword word word dword dword dword dword dword dword bitmapinfoheader field set size bitmapinfoheader structure reading image file , value used determine image contains bitmapinfoheader field width image image pixels field height image image lines field always set 1 data written one color plane field bit depth image must either 1 , 4 , 8 , 24 , depending bit depth image data field tells image data compressed compressed dib images support two forms run length encoding however , never seen images use , n't know yet works set field zero \( long zero , 0l \) , indicate data compressed subsequent fields bitmapinfoheader structure may set zero requirement software able compute fields necessary previous information field might want explicitly specify might 4 bit 8 bit images field indicates possible color entries used image contains colors using 32 colors 8 bit image , may want save 32 possible 256 palette entries generally , set field zero march 15 , 1991 7 color palettes entry color palette rgbquad structure rgbquad structure defined windows h include file typedef struct byte byte byte byte rgbquad field always zero color used , amount blue , green , red filled structure structure written file value zero , , fields indicates particular component contribute color composition value 255 fields indicates component contributes fully color composition image data three surprises ordering image data dib image file creator format determined creative , certainly within image data , line written padded next four byte quantity , 8 bit image one pixel wide , still write four bytes every image line number bytes per line calculated bytes per line \( width pix bit depth 31 \) 32 4 , terms fields bitmapinfoheader structure bytes per line \( 31 \) 32 4 writing image data , must write bottom line first bottom line image would look screen first line image data file 1 bit , 4 bit , 8 bit images , information written would expect one bit images padded eight pixels byte four bit images padded two pixels byte eight bit images written one pixel per byte twenty four bit images written three bytes per pixel however , 24 bit images information must written order blue , green , red image file formats write data march 15 , 1991 8 rgb ordering , dib image file writes data ordering summary provide enough information create dib images applications scanners image routines find dib images , please pass information modify document accordingly march 15 , 1991 thomas b kinsman , rochester , ny , thomas acadia kodak com practice random kindness senseless acts beauty anon ito u tokyo ac jp senior , department infomation science , faculty science , university tokyo , japan
per arne umu se \( per arne \) subject help purification mice organization university , sweden lines 16 hello ! need technique separation \( \) peripheral blood mice low ratio \( approx 20 80 \) easy corresponding technique used human blood , per arne ps e mail address per arne umu se ds
ant palm21 cray com \( tony jones \) subject yamaha locks \( cobra lock \) lines 14 nntp posting host palm21 organization cray research inc , eagan , mn x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 anyone experience \( new \? \) yamaha cyclelok \? looks like uses hardened steel kryptonite u lock , unlike u lock , 5 places opens large rectangle \( longer length u lock seen , plus folds real small \) , could lock rear tire steel post example curious well jointed sections would stand attack \? tony tony jones \( ant cray com , ! uunet ! cray ! ant \) cmcs group , software division cray research inc , lone oak drive , eagan , mn
magnus acs ohio state edu \( mark \) subject clear lcd led sheets nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university writes distribution usa lines 13 ideal item would led array led 1 2 square \( yes coarse \) distance viewing , window pointers suggestions would much appreciated , pray tell , putting together \? costs \? transparent totally transparent \? transparent enough allow light side shine \? yes clear \( like n't \) course , cost always factor trying get idea feasability idea n't want give much away mark
earle isolar tujunga ca us \( greg earle \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization personal usenet site , tujunga , ca usa lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host isolar tujunga ca us summary keywords cursor article 1993may10 8186 griffin itc gu edu au itc gu edu au writes anyone ideas may implemented help prevent users losing sight cursor xterm window certain circumstances many screen based fields would like make cursor flash , far n't found way anybody else similar problems fixes make cursor stand standard type users ca n't find cursor \? run 'll turn cursor mouse \( variety \( \) users still ca n't find , cat ! greg earle phone \( 818 \) 353 8695 fax \( 818 \) 353 1877 internet earle isolar tujunga ca us uucp isolar ! earle elroy jpl nasa gov k ! elroy ! isolar ! earle
cs uoregon edu \( kartik \) subject menu choice file manager organization university oregon computer information sciences dept lines 21 article shenoy vincent iastate edu shenoy iastate edu \( shiva shenoy \) writes 1993may18 3443 trintex uucp charles tinman dev prodigy com \( charles r emmons \) writes description file manager info menu option edit ini file section addons , great ! else , add following two lines addons section exists , add second line addons info dll note dll part windows resource kit install \( download cica \) , make appropriate changes kartik quote article remember trim essentials kartik , cs uoregon edu network manager , ph student \( 503 \) 346 comp science , u oregon , eugene , \( 503 \) 346 \( fax \)
tdb uu se \( david jonsson \) subject 210m scsi hd 3 5 sale reply tdb uu se organization dept scientific computing , uppsala univ x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 19 ops mgr \( georgian tigger jvnc net \) wrote please reply seller 210m formatted scsi hard disk 3 5 rodime \( 3 available \) warning bad experience model know several others also run difficulties drives work limited period time disk report medium error dont ask details , disk stone dead david david jonsson voice fax 46 18 24 51 52 p box 353 postal giro 499 40 54 7 751 06 uppsala internet e mail tdb uu se sweden
paul csd4 csd uwm edu \( paul r krueger \) subject twins update 4 22 organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 12 nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 article 1993apr23 sctc com macomber sctc com \( chuck macomber \) writes wednesday 's game marked first opposing left handed starting pitcher twins year \( rickey bones \) nice post chuck , made one mistake bones right handed pitcher however , hrbek 's grand slam came lloyd , lefty
mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) subject help second hd install originator mark joule pcl organization physical chemistry laboratory , south parks road , oxford ox1 3qz distribution comp lines 35 article 1993apr21 , mike tancsa mike tancsa canrem com writes considering adding 386 system equipped maxtor hd , second maxtor 245 meg hd assume problem however , remember reading somewhere , needed reformat original drive \? true \? \? drive full really n't like idea installing everything floppy ! ! please e mail , post group mike mike tancsa internet 1 mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca waterloo , ontario 2 mike tancsa canrem com canada rosereader 2 10 entered crs canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 need reformat old hd mark mark uk ac ox physchem
pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu \( pablo iglesias \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 36 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article ucdavis edu ez027993 chip ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) writes want speed ballgames \? 1 enforce two minutes innings , many fields allowing three minutes fifteen seconds tv commercials gone , thirty action begins upon return game two minutes , last first pitch , ball called 2 n't grant time batters want may get pissed first , 'll get line , anything pitcher throws 're adjusting strike 3 mandate rule permitting n seconds pitches \( current rule lenient \) , enforce fifteen seconds enough time pitch n't released 15 , call ball , restart clock 've ever seen called back around 1979 1980 think steve carlton pitching hand , sure much effect would seems time lost runners base rule cover wondered pitcher given 8 pitches enters game let 's serious relief pitcher normally throwing bullpen minutes really need 8 pitches \? pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu
quirke kosmos wcc govt nz subject new study gay percentage organization city council , public access lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host kosmos wcc govt nz piatt gdc com \( gary piatt \) writes clayton cramer \( cramer optilink com \) wrote rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face ahh , 's good goose necessarily 's good n't want homosexuals impose moral codes \( diabolical ideas equal rights \) , yet willing impose moral codes detect double standard \? exactly american constitution say right association \? homosexuals , whether clayton likes , much members society right participate equal opportunity pursue goals one saying clayton forced associate private life \( one suspects gays question would object also 8 \) \) , proclaiming general right associate public sphere \( includes housing , hiring , etc \) , 's giving right non association priority rights equal access opportunity historically , people associate publically disliked groups little ill effect , however cutting group normal commerce severe impact lives clayton , exactly right non association public sphere take priority homosexual 's rights equal opportunity \? tony quirke , wellington , new zealand quirke kosmos wcc govt nz usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
sean oliver mindlink bc ca \( sean oliver \) subject channels organization mind link ! british columbia , canada lines 13 live british columbia , canada cable company use called rogers cable anyone know scrambling techniques , ways getting around \? suggestions might use \? sean oliver internet address mindlink bc ca mindlink ! bbs \( 604 \) 576 1412
dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) subject christian morality reply dps nasa kodak com organization eastman kodak company lines 21 nntp posting host 129 126 121 55 article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes yet still believer god concerned disposition \? beneath provide evidence would require believe \? evidence personality , given god , would find compelling \? fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love responsibility love god take step toward promises , look doubt dispute givin sincere effort simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know learn must accept n't know
bell peter yale edu \( peter bell \) subject lciii used iici get \? organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 39 distribution na nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article mailer cc fsu edu ocean fsu edu \( char \) writes article 1993apr24 cheshire oxy edu erik cheshire oxy edu \( erik adams \) writes looking new lc iii used iici prices iici much greater potential expansion , la nubus greater memory capacity depends price get ci speaking , 4 80 \? lciii fsu 1300 add roughly 500 monitor last 'd heard , 8mb lciii simm went 250 think 're win win situation matter decide , 'll likely happy james yes , one thing think pricing harddrive configuration got lowly classic ii , options 40 80m , clear buying another 40m harddrive space would cost much difference price two config analogous break lciii 80 160 prices , regret spending extra money larger harddrive particularly ever wind wanting use softpc , sets several mb \( 30 ! \) partition , generating large files dtp software , might ever want check mac unix like os , like , extra space helpful pricing used iici 's , look harddrive size come , much would cost add storage road \( might useful bargaining strategy even see reason go 80m , though must admit within 6 months getting computer , backing lot stuff floppies rarely use running space , without started using dtp stuff , softpc trying unix os ! \) peter bell minerva cis yale edu
vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) subject buffalo sabres organization michigan state university lines 12 nntp posting host euler lbs msu edu summary buffalo sabres lead boston 3 0 best seven playoffs keywords sabres boston \? ok , buffalo fans red wings fan , amazed sabres beating bruins reason \? grant fuhr mogilny lafontaine \? would like hear since know much sabres dave vergolini michigan state university vergolin euler lbs msu edu
cck coventry ac uk \( graham wilson \) subject contracts nntp posting host cc sysk organization department law coventry university , coventry , uk lines 22 computer law module asked write computer contract supply computer software business software especially written company would anyone , per chance happen copy computer contract system could mail anyone computer contract contains sensitive material assure remain confidential pass , allow anyone else view thanks 3 4 c2 l1 \( \) w c e g f k m1 graham wilson cck coventry ac uk b law iii coventry university s8 b g l z n x u v j
fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) subject space marketing would wonderfull nntp posting host ucsu colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 29 article fph cunews carleton ca wcsbeau superior carleton ca \( opirg \) writes n't think idea means think everyone earth subject ad agency 's poor taste abomination \( abomination n loathing odious degrading habit act object disgust \( oxford concise dictionary \) \) maybe n't mind every part life saturated commercials , many us loathe 's moot point step door go anywhere \( except possibly mailbox \) subject ad agency 's 'd rather beauty night sky always marred giant billboard , 'll bet idea virtually sacrilegious astronomer like sagan i'm sure sagan considers sacrilegious , would n't doubtfull credibility astronomer modern , ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field opacity distortions caused atmosphere driven field use radio , far infrared space based telescopes case , bright point light passing field n't ruin observations case , thousands existing satellites would already done \( might seem bright eyes , far astronomy concerned , extremely bright \) frank crary cu boulder
subject stealth 24 video drivers ch organization university geneva , switzerland lines 16 article doug 4 sun sws uiuc edu , doug sun sws uiuc edu \( doug ward \) writes recently purchased diamond stealth 24 video card received wrong drivers anyone know ftp windows video drivers stealth 24 tried drivers cica n't work right drivers diamond bbs file almost 1 meg would take download 2400 baud information would appreciated please contact doug sun sws uiuc edu thank doug ward problem diamond stealth vram card daniel
cdash moet cs colorado edu \( charles shub \) subject espn really sucks big time nntp posting host moet cs colorado edu organization university colorado colorado springs lines 21 us hockey automobile racing fans know exactly stand espn delays martinsville race day nfl draft espn shows baseball instead overtime nhl playoff game gimme break , guys anyone know race tape delay \? especially monday \? \? \? weekend nfl draft \? , race day real slap face racing fans i'm afraid 're right \( usual \) recall 've ever since started covering draft live wish could work kind deal somebody else tnn get race live , guess espn n't much sharing also clarifies auto racing stands priority list \( n't already know \) charlie shub cdash cs colorado edu \( 719 \) 593 leave university iowa cdash cs uiowa edu \( 319 \) 335
nswc navy mil \( \) subject colormap problem organization lines 24 saving image one machine image another machine \( hp 9000 model 750s \) image created using xgetimage displayed xputimage image correctly except colors wrong server machine using different colormap tried saving colormap \( pixel rgb values \) , performed table lookup new colormap n't work rgb n't exist new colormap way force server load colors set pixel values , simpler way solve problem \? tried using could n't get work either help would appreciated naval surface warfare center dahlgren division dahlgren , va \( 703 \) 663 nswc navy mil
cohen ssdgwy mdc com \( andy cohen \) subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization mda w lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host q5022531 mdc com article 1993apr27 ee ubc ca , davem ee ubc ca \( dave michelson \) wrote article cbl umd edu mike starburst umd edu \( michael f santangelo \) writes dbm0000 tm0006 lerc nasa gov \( david b mckissock \) writes text options b deleted option c single core launch station jsc lead option basically , take 23 ft diameter cylinder 's 92 ft long , slap 3 space shuttle main engines backside , put nose cone top , attached regular shuttle external tank regular set solid rocket motors , launch key features complete end end ground integration checkout 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels body mounted radiators \( adds protection orbital debris \) 2 centerline docking ports \( one end \) 7 berthing ports single pressurized volume , approximately 26 , 000 cubic feet \( twice volume skylab \) 7 floors , center passageway floors 10 kw housekeeping power somehow strange attraction idea \( living modular home maybe altered mind \) thing scares part simply strapping 3 ssme 's launching vision something going terribly wrong launch resulting complete loss new modular space station \( peice would case staged orbit construction \) certainly like option c 's much like original phase b studies early 1970 's good stuff ! actually like stuff phase mol phase b ended power tower approach 's also expensive terms upfront development costs get redistribution costs shuttle flights contractors build
grahamt phantom gatech edu \( graham e thomas \) subject nissan nomenclature \( manual shift bigots wanted \) organization georgia institute technology lines 19 nntp posting host oit gatech edu aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes sure call 200sx call 240 \? curious also nissan \( sp \) 240 called 200 , came turbo nonturbo n't think 've ever 240 turbo curious \( btw , i'm us , matters \) drew currently know 240sx , known elsewhere 200sx graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah
usc edu \( fireball \) subject opinions early 80 's \? \? organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 22 distribution usa nntp posting host usc edu summary considering buying car die \( engine fire , insurance agent said probably \) , market another vehicle saw within expected price range wondering anybody could relate experiences namely 1 power \( 305 \) \? 2 front wheel drive make maintenance difficult \? 3 one power window power seat work , expensive items replace work \? 4 long engines usually last \( \) \? 5 experiences good bad , opinions thanks ryan scf usc edu
rws2v uvacs cs virginia edu \( richard stoakley \) subject 3d unix keywords 3d , three , organization university virginia computer science department lines 7 could someone please post list good three run sparc stations preferably cheap thanks richard rws2v virginia edu
mark andrew cmu edu subject , g , h type amplifiers organization senior , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu hey , someone clue weird types amplifiers \? brief intro concepts behind would cool clues type , b , ab already stuff , ones mentioned occasionally dont know think type like pwm scheme something thanx advanced mark \( andrew cmu edu \)
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject countersteering sans hands organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 14 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article bdrc bd com , clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) writes steer hands n't bars \? \( open budweiser left hand , camel cigarette right , feet allowed \) lean , bike turns , countersteering \? countersteering method leaning bike another method leaning leaned , bike turns ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) subject microsoft printing system \( something like \) organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 3 saw ad basically advanced print manager lets monitor printing closely comes bunch true type fonts anyone \? good \? bad \? worth \?
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject thoughts organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 31 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) wrote someone spank i'm wrong , n't lord , liar , lunatic originate c lewis \? 's campollo fellow anyway \? think , n't clear connection believe , absurd notion one original christians \( origen \? \) similar statement attributed anselm , believe may understand cases reason somewhat less exalted anyone posting could accept , means neither statement properly analysed bill , think misunderstanding atheism lack belief god directly imply lack understanding transcendental values hope would accept fact instance buddhists appreciate issues related non empirical reasoning without need automatically believe theism think reading couple books related buddhism might revise fine tune understanding non christian systems cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) subject quicktime performance \( rumours 3do \? \? \? \) organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 67 ok , discussion observed playback speeds quicktime , effects scaling , thought 'd tests first , felt original speed test perhaps less realistic movie using 18 frames \( version first movie created compact video compressor \) decided something little longer would give closer real world results \( better worse \) pulled copy 2001 space odyssey recorded tv back fifteen minutes movie , 's sequence earth shuttle approaching space station specifically , digitized portion 30 seconds' duration , zooming rotating space station figured would give reasonable amount movement frames increase differences frames , digitized 5 frames per second , give total 171 frames captured raw footage resolution 384 288 pixels spigot card centris 650 \( quarter size resolution pal source \) imported premiere put compact video compressor , keeping 5 fps frame rate created two versions movie one scaled 320 240 resolution , 160 120 resolution used default 2 00 quality setting premiere 2 0 1 , specified key frame every ten frames ran 320 240 movie raw speed test program used results 'd reporting earlier result playback rate 45 frames per second 's right , getting much higher result first short test movie fun , copied 320 240 movie external hard disk \( quantum \) , ran time playback rate 35 frames per second obviously internal hard disk \( also quantum \) significant contributor speed playback modified speed test program allow specification optional scaling factors , tried playing back 160 120 movie scaled 320 240 size time playback speed 60 fps clearly , poster observed poor performance scaled playback seeing quicktime 1 0 action , 1 5 'd try tests quicktime 1 0 , n't think 's entirely compatible centris system 7 1 , playback rate 160 120 movie 100 fps thing tried saving versions 320 240 movie preferred playback rates greater 1 0 , seeing well played within \( ie quicktime 's normal synchronized playback \) preferred rate 9 0 \( 45 fps \) n't work well playback jerky compare raw speed test , achieved 45 fps ease ca n't believe quicktime 's synchronization code would add much overhead think slowdown coming mac system 's task switching preferred rate 7 0 \( 35 fps \) seemed work fine could n't see evidence stutter 8 0 \( 40 fps \) think could see slight stutter , four key frames every second , hard tell guess could try recreating movies longer interval key frames , make stutter noticeable course , also improve compression slightly , speed playback performance even lawrence d'oliveiro fone 64 7 856 2889 computer services dept fax 64 7 838 4066 university waikato electric mail ldo waikato ac nz hamilton , new zealand 37 47' 26 , 175 19' 7 e , gmt 12 00
oj world std com \( oliver jones \) subject x design choice color handling question keywords color organization shawsheen software lines 20 article cs utexas edu sirosh cs utexas edu \( joseph sirosh \) writes x designers decide associate color object drawn , instead associate display drawn \? x10 , drawing attributes bundled drawing requests , server 's drawing model caused problems performance network traffic , x11 redesign included graphic context codify drawing state application designers want draw things several different colors create gc color initialization , pass gc id drawing request information see scheifler 's article 1986 acm transactions graphics
msbendts mtu edu \( michael scott bendtsen \) subject head head win os 2 organization michigan technological university x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 25 i'm waiting june first roll around get hands pc solaris unix intel chip ! know many unix possibilities , includes \( windows api binary interface think \) technology wil run windows apps straight outta da box flies enhanced mode , 's another contender look corporate education market big complex home front windows 4 mac sys7 take nt os 2 fight small mid businesses however , powerpc becomes available \( especially laptop notebook form \) markets ability connect unix machine work yet still run windows mac apps home going real attractive alot people ! ! ! predictions mike mike bendtsen \( msbendts mtu edu \) 740 elm st apt 4 senior technical consultant hancock , mi michigan technological university
ptm xact demon co uk \( paul thomas mahoney \) subject uimx motif application generator organization x act solutions limited x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 7 thanks responses 've made contact uk distributor \) paul mahoney , x act solutions limited smail 20 shipley lane , , sea , east sussex , email ptm xact demon co uk cix compulink co uk phone 44 424
delarocq eos ncsu edu \( derrell emery larocque \) subject words advice stars hater originator delarocq 100lez eos ncsu edu reply delarocq eos ncsu edu \( derrell emery larocque \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 37 advice , thoughts hatred minnesota north stars 1 real team like toronto would moved , right , eliminated playoffs first round ! 2 stay minnesota go college western ontario actually take classes map reading specifically set 3 anyone love stars , hating leafs much better \? 4 oh , i'm sorry well , maybe ca n't understand big words next time 'll limit vocabulary words like get real team waste time 5 respond article love laugh humor , even though unintentional got big kick go leafs go go \? home , think ! ! \) delarocq eos ncsu edu 1988 , 1989 , 1990 , 1991 afc east division champions 1991 , 1992 , 1993 afc conference champions ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! \) squished fish monday night football , november 16 , 1992 squished trash talking fish afc championship , january 17 , 1992 buffalo bills fan , email delarocq eos ncsu edu talk games , insight , etc fan , let know interested news green bay
sol uvic ca \( melvin \) subject western insane \? \? nntp posting host sol uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , b c canada lines 11 article 93108 qucdn queensu ca qucdn queensu ca writes continuously putting universities \? queen 's great makes place got good rep 's long someone would take time look around see dissatisfied people constant misuse bell curve could see queen 's needs major improvements would personally start hiring professors actually teach , people attitude place would okay n't students running around george bell \( ex blue jay \) learn throw curve \?
berkeley edu \( da cheng \) subject x terminal faq organization u c berkeley math department lines 11 distribution usa nntp posting host berkeley edu subject 68 \) current state world x terminals \? jim morton \( jim applix com \) posts quarterly comp windows x list manufacturers terminals includes pricing information somebody send copy faq \? thanks alot ! da
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject funny thing happened way hon organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 13 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 0 elan rowan edu , cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) writes see past 30 miles 've riding side stand oops ! insisted cutout switches right , something like curse god \? ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
convex com \( ed \) subject pd code crypt \( 1 \) like encryption nntp posting host convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa distribution usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 19 article 1993apr27 spdcc com jin spdcc com \( jerry \) writes looking public domain \( exportable \) code encryption nothing elaborate , something satisfy marketing need \) oh yes , unix platform find 're looking hundreds sites worldwide try anonymous ftp nic funet fi \( finland \) pub unix 4 lib gen crypt c z includes source code fully functional des encryption decryption believe public domain code exportable , n't make judgements , seems obvious regards , ed
barrak rintintin colorado edu \( mohammed f \) subject egypt call fighting fundamentalists , objects pro bosnian steps keywords international , united nations , government , non usa government , fighting nntp posting host rintintin colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 35 article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes \( upi \) representatives 51 islamic nations considering tuesday request bosnia herzegovina 260 million weapons fight bosnian serbs commitment far 20 million saudi arabia , thanks saudia pocket change compare liberation q8 gave weird causes k least paying damned damned n't ! already donated 100 million bosnia herzegovina sources political committee said delegates agreement need help bosnian muslims , request weapons delayed decision ``it may interpreted violating united embargo supplying arms bosnia , '' warned egyptian foreign minister amer moussa mr amr moussa worried international law tortured death many citizens shot people praying mosque , causing trouble neighbor becasue cia says n't shut , wo n't involved bosnian effort anyway , west represented even islamic conference \? record , egyptian troops one first stationed ca n't remember exact date late last year fact , lost least one man far know barrak
stein2 u washington edu \( jamie \) subject wiretapping reality today article shelley organization university washington lines 43 nntp posting host stein2 u washington edu strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes messages seem reflect view government listening everything one hide one 's clipper messages somehow non escrowed crypto goes away little perspective might order number court ordered wire taps pretty low law enforcement present pretty good evidence get even limited number authorizations thus overwhelming majority conversations neither tapped recorded government , happen \) pretty good reason , evidence b \) use highest priority pretty good reasons though system may imperfect , long way horror stories seem believe anticipate david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted trust government problem members mr sternlight 's generation trust government degree members generation find ridiculous would suggest mr sternlight read cointelpro program , j edgar hoover , wire tapping martin luther king , , digested information ponder fact government tap every conversation record tapping many conversations right , even laws given long history members us government ignoring laws apply , wonder many people sound paranoid , given fact often difficult impossible punish individuals discovered , wonder many people little faith escrow proposal clipper jamie
eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem reply c sessions 's message tue , 11 may 1993 09 30 09 mst lines 23 reply eggertj mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 news service uci edu terminator rs itd umich edu witsend uucp article witsend uucp c sessions dcs witsend tnet com writes , matter , usa around , nobody freeways avoid churches , synagogues , forth get condemned , paid , road goes standard policy number public projects schools sports arenas two examples anticipating objection cases n't comparable \? wall count 1 tourist attraction part world making room traffic would twenty second decision city council ever heard cases n't really comparable project like freeway requires public hearings , court action , appeals , advance determination restitution , razing moghrabi district east jerusalem happened within hours end hostilities 6 day war residents given two three hours' notice pack find elsewhere chance public hearing , debate , appeal , negotiation anything get die rubble jim eggertj mit edu \( jim eggert \)
panix com \( rob ryan \) subject efficient pc clients organization system constructs , inc lines 27 're looking various x11 clients pc 's 're looking information relative efficiency different products notably efficient \( fast \) \? notably inefficient \? assume graphics accelerator makes significantly faster \( right i'm looking ico running xoftware 32 windows sitting distinct tcp ip platform , 's \( surprisingly \) much slower ico running sparc10 's console key ways improving performance pc \( presumably windows \) clients \? also , async solutions \? \( yes , appreciate much slower even v 42bis \) i'm process installing ppp \( header compression \) compare cslip \? 've seen product called xremote ncd promises pretty efficient , comparable products \? 're looking efficiency async , pc clients , looking addition standard ppp w compression xremote \? information would greatly appreciated i'm still taking information faq , tips relative efficiency various product offerings would great \( get impression discussions speed largely application specific , withstanding , comments would appreciated \) thanks rob rob ryan , system constructs inc panix com
svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? nntp posting host corolla18 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 19 article athena cs uga edu ahatcher athena cs uga edu \( allan hatcher \) writes well , goes lurking long time , 'll announce yes , i'm enemy enemy also happens ride arrest red 90 vfr feeling enemy without doubt dickhead cops least many dickhead bikers , even \( know \) certainly give benefit doubt biker welcome think speak entire dod \( hey guys , free ride georgia ! ! ! \) dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon
ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) subject could someone mail text white house clipper announcement \? nntp posting host casco lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 9 thanks bunch , nate hate quotations message brought tell know nate sammons , number 42 ralph waldo emerson ns111310 longs lance colostate edu
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject 1994 mustang nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 48 article mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) writes disclamer flame anger easily please go petebre elof iit edu \( peterson \) writes next mustang ford 's highest profile car attracts way attention camaro firebird 's heritage embedded general public n't lie believe ford forfeit fyi already oh , really \? bad current mustang ca n't even compete new camaro without using active imagination '93 mustang cobra check right cars compare '93 camaro , think 20 , 000 car perform exotics swearing look stats n't lie comparable cars 's class , price , maybe '93 mustang cobra good job lower price , 's taste 's ahead 30th anniversary original pony car unless ford gets , romeo n't seriously believe designed mark viii , \? hey , imagine potential modified lt 1 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! folks years surpass levels performance achieved late '60 's , thats scary think ! corvettes almost performance levels '65 cobra ! wow ! years , might performance levels '66 ford gt 40 wow , man , think \) james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) subject viewing postscript files x windows reply brown ftms uucp \( vidiot \) organization vidiot 's hangout lines 25 article gordons mon gordons mon sps mot com \( gordon sasamori \) writes inmet camb inmet com camb inmet com \( george snyder \) writes article polaris isi com kin isi com \( kin cho \) writes wonder anybody know x window based postscript file viewer runs sunos \( prefered \) , hpux , ibm aix running sun openwindows , use pageview x window postscript previewer like ghostview , displays much nicer yes , 's broken ow 2 0 handle multiple pages well n't proper postscript commands draw entire document page instead pausing page n't tried ow 3 0 yet , though ow 3 0 , definition broken relative pageview requires dsc compliant postscript files , order stop page breaks n't consider broken say program puts postscript file n't dsc compliant broken harvard ucbvax ! uwvax ! astroatc ! ftms ! brown uu2 psi com ! ftms ! brown rutgers internet brown wi extrel com ftms ! brown astroatc uucp cs wisc edu
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject ethical \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 19 quick comment baptist , find idea baptism \( news report fact accurate , seldom regarding religion \) offensive pastor seems view baptism one seems demand ceremony even comprehension choice absent baptize converts , one deceived hearing word likely convert fact grace god might work situation , harm done waiting day two baptist believe membership church include half baked \( best \) converts church fellowship \? somehow feel validity turning loose \? kind evangelism certainly baptist , probably christian , either revdak netcom com
morgan engr uky edu \( wes morgan \) subject seen lobby , us organization university kentucky engineering computing center lines 61 ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) wrote 2 \) kind soul would write letter , upload net , everyone could capture , print , snail mail local congressional critter btw i'm working one realize form letters worst way influence congresscritters exact copies routinely placed lowest opinion ladder want write \( think ! \) , take time really write letter things emphasize 's said usenet available , e corporate sites ties emphasize part group making developing using clinton 's superhighway ' explain intimately familiar computing data communications \( case n't call self wiring 1200 bps modem \) distinguish letter random n't turn tell know technical sides issue n't overdo jargon remember , letter first read \( likelihood \) may even college student n't understand , views wo n't even make sheets concise n't ramble rants definitely place cite references , necessary , use accepted references like academic journals neighbor jim real refer 8 \) unfortunately , congresscritters really understand electronic communications encourage pick access compuserve , america online , one free nets offer send samples position , offer \( staffers back home state \) access systems offer give demonstration next time 're town offer get personally involved helping give opinions credence addition sending mail representatives , send mail members committee \( subcommittee \) dealing issue n't committee , ca n't much help matter comes floor wes ps 'd suggest drawing analogies digital communication traditional media , usenet n't decent track record analogy department 8 \) rachel elizabeth morgan 4 13 93 , 7 00 oh yeah , reached 9 pounds 4 ounces \( despite coming 3 weeks early \) morgan engr uky edu netters gave constant encouragement prayer thanks everything !
steve bcsfse ca boeing com \( steve \) subject boeing tsto \( words chairman boeing \) reply steve bcsfse ca boeing com organization system tools lines 12 article schumach convex convex com , schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) writes description boeing study two staged using supersonic ramjets deleted words , boeing seriously thinking reliable , less expensive access orbit like fool around exotic airplanes , means boeing something called foresight vision boeing became success today working call exotic airplanes
madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization society putting things top things lines 26 timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( half bake timmons \) writes maddi whirr click whirr frank o'dwyer might also contained shell pop stack determine whirr click whirr killfile keith allen schneider frank closet theist o'dwyer maddi mad sound geek hausmann , , ! 've already named killfile keith nickname maddi never useful post hausmann , n't dare forget , half 's nothing higher , stronger , wholesome useful life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov \( dostoevsky \) really quote ivan karamazov instead \( \) , atheist maddi hausmann madhaus netcom com centigram communications corp san jose california 408 428 3553 kids , please n't try home remember , post professionally
rcollins ns encore com \( roger collins \) subject space marketing would wonderfull reply rcollins encore com organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem1 encore com lines 23 article netcom com , geoffm netcom com \( geoff miller \) writes article ucdavis edu ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) writes also abomination somebody would spend money space advertising children starving \? perhaps redistribution wealth would help specious emotionalism commercial enterprises typically n't spend money starving children \( world problems \) anyway , least excess whatever minimum amount required lip service pr purposes precisely would place threshold beyond advertising spending deemed abominable , \? yes ! take money profitable commercial enterprises give government redistribute government much efficient , trustworthy , noble self serving businesses \) let 's ignorance bud commercial enterprises , whole world would starving roger collins
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject doctrine original sin organization none lines 42 regarding consequences original sin catholics believe adam primarily lost sin , human race , sanctifying grace basically share divine life take rock make able talk god human sanctifying grace similar makes one able live plane powers possible creature everlasting life new testament speaks christ came restore life sanctifying grace human race instituted sacraments means life given people , increase absence sanctifying grace death means automatic exclusion heaven nature heaven 's impossible human part without gift sanctifying grace use example , would like taking rock attempting hold conversation rocks cannot talk neither human beings live heaven without sanctifying grace obviously applies equally well infants adults , since souls infants must baptized , therefore , cannot enter heaven need form life , cannot enter heaven turning around , infant baptism good supporting evidence catholic belief sanctifying grace unless baptism causes change infant 's soul , particular reason insist practice yet infant baptism probably practiced apostles , certainly part church shortly thereafter evidence infant baptism new testament 1 cor 1 16 , acts 16 15 , 16 33 , 18 8 , also acts 11 14 known sure least one disciple apostle john baptized infant st polycarp \( remark makes acts martyrdom \) st justin martyr mentions men women baptized infants direct evidence st irenaeus 's heresies , tertullian 's baptism far mentioned first 170 years lord 's death , starts tons evidence practice
lonnie mack cs unlv edu \( charles p cutler ii \) subject test reply lonnie mack cs unlv edu \( charles p cutler ii \) organization unlv computer science electrical engineering lines 11 article bigboote wpi edu , coates bigwpi wpi edu \( jeffery david coates \) writes \) coates bigwpi wpi edu \( jeffery david coates \) \) subject test \) date 23 apr 1993 21 09 29 gmt \) organization worcester polytechnic institute \) \) \) \) test \) failed
csp1dwd mvs oac ucla edu \( csp1dwd \) subject non apple mon duo 's nntp posting host mvs oac ucla edu lines 8 duo 's drive apple 's 16 monitor 832x624 resolution 256 colors , think non apple 16 17 monitors also used \? would multisync nec 5fg work well resolution \? outstanding points apple monitor compared monitors \? denis
lemay netcom com \( laura lemay \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution na lines 65 article c5t759 dsc well sf ca us rwert well sf ca us \( bob wert \) writes need advice someone ride pillion 750 ninja first time 've taken anyone extended ride \( read farther around block \) 'll riding twisty , fairly bumpy roads \( mines road mt hamilton loop sf bay areans \) extended ride passenger 750 ninja well , hate wet sock , , well passenger many bikes longest time started riding , grew hate long rides sport bikes passenger seats designed long rides passenger positions n't even usually designed short rides ended torturing knees back taking long rides passenger sport bikes one reasons originally liked current much bmw \) 'd suggest shorter extended ride first short turn mountains see much pain 's , proceed best advice 'd give beginning passenger n't get bike rider says ok , work sort signal rider tell ok get get bike squeeze riders hips tell i'm ready , stop head show ok get keep feet pegs times n't wiggle \( unless rider asks \) best passengers echo movements lean rider look shoulder thats comfortable , turns look shoulder inside turn get used rider 's shifting style \( riders use reasonably consistent shifting style \) avoid helmet helmet rider revs bike shifts sudden change acceleration causes helmet gets old real fast pulling stop , put hand hands tank keep weight pushing rider onto tank putting hands tank also good way stretch back 're pain , i'm told gets harder steer turns leave switch hands stretch shoulders , sure squeeze thighs 're rider knows 're still \) guard rail n't safe holding onto rider n't afraid ask frequent stops 're pain losing feeling feet passenger seats generally designed comfort work sort pull signal beforehand laura lemay lemay netcom com writer shadows blood
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject bob vesterman 's plan generate fan interest organization clark university lines 14 rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes let 's face , sex violence things sell america 's implement game bob , sex already baseball ! think uniforms get tighter \? \? todd 's could , suppose seems favor carlton fisk pants style unfortunate todd , word wise ya got , flaunt ! heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject pens fans reactions lines 26 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 richard j coyle \( gomer pitt edu \) wrote 's inner calm 's boredom , 's spoiled arena 's quiet church many nights year many us take winning granted 's seemingly forever since team lost , 've forgotten 's like feel real excitement surprise victory least last night excitement pens n't wrapped game half like previous two games i'm sure nj rose played better penguins started play somewhat probably somewhere new jersey seemed much aggressive last night pens end much around , least kept element game question billington helped make interesting also claude lemieux n't help cause though , early game , 's going start devils goal final game sunday \? \) sorry could n't help tom huot huot cray com
hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu \( harold brooks \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization happy festival ! lines 71 article 4dn netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article news cso uiuc edu hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu \( harold brooks \) writes article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes actually , think large scale sample size part problem seems plot players baseball regard ba vs clutch ba deviation would get kind bell curve \( x axis deviation clutch hitting vs non clutch axis number players \) certainly would players extreme ends bell supposition find players consistently \( year year \) one end bell , might able make reasonable conclusions players \( opposed baseball players \) let 's careful players' performance completely random \( clutch clutch \) , would still expect players good clutch every year good every year two years worth data , 'd 1 4 players good year , 1 4 bad year , 1 2 would one good one bad year 96 players 5 years \( '84 '88 \) flipping coin , 'd expect 3 players good 5 years 3 bad every year actually get good years 0 1 2 3 4 5 clutch performers 4 10 37 24 18 3 coin flip \( random \) 3 15 30 30 15 3 essentially distribution clutch performers number years good performance would get process leading deviations non clutch performance completely random anything clutch hitting \( least definition \) predictive capability , expect see number players ends much larger predicted flipping coin , limit players lot average clutch situations \( say , 1 standard deviation mean \) one year , random explanation still looks good four years \( '84 '87 \) looked data elias , 79 \( 29 \) players minimum 25 \( 50 \) bats clutch situations 1 sigma mean two different years 79 \( 29 \) players , 38 \( 14 \) changed sign two years words , great clutch hitters one year really horrible year random process , 'd expect numbers 39 5 \( 14 5 \) everything 's measured clutch hitting period years could used predict ability proposed definition looked like random process \( caveat may something related platoon advantage could dragged data e g , john lowenstein probably never clutch ab left handed pitcher , might well , would bias since clutch abs would geared platoon advantage \) subject glanced casually lot people put lot effort studying every one , exception elias study , unable find anything would allow predict someone clutch situations better flipping coin \( self serving plug follows flaws elias study discussed paper forth coming sabr book , perfect game , taylor publishing authors supposed get slice advance , go bug local bookstores , maybe get enough take wife dinner \) harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory \( norman , ok \) used work brewery , , n't drink job p dal 's view florida win nl east '93
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject universe black holes , 2000 years organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 23 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu salem pangea stanford edu \( bruce salem \) writes zeno 's paradox \? zeno 's paradox resolved showing integration infinite series decreasing terms sum finite result nothing get black hole escape velocity speed light n't know time prevent matter getting event horizon one explain matter gets well , suppose probe emitting radiation constant frequency sent towards black hole got closer event horizon , red shift would keep increasing period would get longer longer , would never stop observer would observe probe actually reaching event horizon detected energy probe would keep decreasing , would n't vanish exp \( \) never quite reaches zero guess probably n't make things clear , hopefully get general idea maybe keith
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject land belong \( jews shoot muslim infants \) organization artificial intelligence lab lines 70 distribution world 1993may19 columbiasc ncr com cs huji ac il ucunix san uc edu cs huji ac il reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply cs huji ac il 's message 23 may 1993 13 29 19 gmt lovely arguments write historical ownership place palestine , pakistan , cyprus , aegean islands \( oil may lie beneath \) , whatever reason justification others \? truly matter whose ancestor lived 20 , 200 , 2000 years ago \? treat land \? wise enough decree person 's right life , liberty pursuit happiness particular place depends accidents birth \? even sure precise tracks sperm people wish despise \? imho , american indians right belong earth , belong us failure understand good way cause way around guess trash environment sufficiently shall die along baby eating killing mother , dying lack milk death disease respect national boundaries , toxins , disease vectors , lost forest cover water supplies , way fight national group owns piece turf , merely contending best vantage point kill others , land eventually something proud proud makes glad human i'm mindlessly rejecting nationalism maybe 's fair ask whether recent immigrant deserves share infrastructure ancestors \( hah ! \) produce 's artificial distinction recent immigrant , even refugee , less likely contribute next generation 's legacy anyone else \? history reverse often case recent immigrants strive hardest nothing else , fill open eco \( l n \) , tribe infinitely better tribe , understand nothing plot knock , course , make sure n't happen , even must shoot muslim infants \( bash jewish ones walls \) 'll prove moral superiority , , well rightness cause clearly , higher purpose life killing others like would never get way fun let 's see soc culture turkish n't turks go back lake came , leave land greeks , stole fair square \? soc culture pakistan n't guys redistribute india , god meant \? soc culture jewish , soc culture arabic stick together , fight together , die together brothers , inseparable talk politics mideast oh well , oded planning , soon finish present assignment p ca n't get semi decent death threat anymore \? p p yeh , native americans right kill keep spreading
sr hp com \( wes \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 15 used product called comes little yellow \( size deck playing cards \) worked well removing kinds sticker tape note always test small area inconspicuous place using good luck , wes \( 707 \) 577 sr hp com
cc bellcore com \( , grant f \) subject adcom cheap products \? organization bellcore , livingston , nj summary effect heat sound quality lines 43 much deleted assembly usa vs , wish focus subject warm running amplifiers sure amp runs fairly hot 's get amp sound incredibly good amp runs hot bearing 's gonna sound amp probably running class whole day either engineer manufacturer amp wanted cooling save costs ! hmmmmm warm running amps good sound , words , bearing , n't suggest everyone run create combination stove amplifiers degrade lifespan , cold running circuit much temperature variation current warm running one since junction resistance function temperature , detrimental effect linearity facts bias points vary temperature junction resist temp adcom products run class still n't beleive assertion , consider warm requirements good test equipment , better yet , listen amplifier warm many designs quite audible , mine , 20 minutes output stage , many hours drivers fortunately drivers switched experiment , drawing conclusions listening , seperate effect device temperature bias \( idle current \) level positive correlation low distortion good sound quality , high bias results warmer operation , factors equal grant
halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) subject free moral agency keywords another thread destined kill file reply halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) distribution na lines 19 article kmr4 po cwru edu , kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes article lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion appear absurd n't need counterfeit athiest 's myth make religion appear absurd need read friendly christian bill conner 's posts jim halat halat bear com bear stearns whatever n't kill serve annoy nyc speak
nichael bbn com \( nichael cramer \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach reply ncramer bbn com organization bbn , interzone office lines 35 poram ihlpb att com writes counts , apocrapha falls short glory god quote unger 's bible dictionary apocrapha 1 abound historical geographical inaccuracies anachronisms 2 teach doctrines false foster practices variance sacred scripture 3 resort literary types display subject matter styling keeping sacred scripture 4 lack distinctive elements give genuine scripture divine character , prophetic power poetic religious feeling first , point obvious 4 would clearly highly subjective issue , one would hard pressed point another book ot \( matter nt \) n't , issues , way , fail one first three tests second , one factor deuterocanonicals share composition n't recall exact dating books , written latest canonical books \( e daniel \) furthermore , may may originally written greek , clearly deeply hellenistic nature features probably figured heavily rejection books various canons may strict uniformly applicable criteria judge books , , discussions shown , think one thing see purely objective standards determining nichael \( \( \( get smile icon predicate \) \) \( sys honk \) \)
muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) subject people become atheists \? organization university arizona , tucson lines 161 article may 9 05 41 56 1993 athos rutgers edu gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes article may 7 01 09 44 1993 14556 athos rutgers edu muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) writes , would happy proven wrong believing atheism problem , proven wrong mentioning nonsense psychology \) atheism , bob muir asks following question smiley part atheism , see realize statement says mentioning nonsense atheism \? hard defend claim making , included last two sentences post mentioned first please address substance post rather rejecting hand , sometimes ambiguous nature english , may wording please clarify mean call statements atheism nonsense \? , care back claim \? sound broken \? answer affirmative ok , start amatuer broken \? politically correct christians besieged group permitted luxury arrogance \? yawn excuse , n't recall portion post called christians arrogant quote , remember calling christianity silly following information nine years old thought also said find faith intellectually dishonest would like see sort proof god 's existence define faith belief absense proof , btw also , subscribe mentioned see fundies types , answer question finally , 'd hardly call christianity country seldom see christians ridiculed merely religion wearing crosses christian bumper stickers n't know sure , course , say n't seen happening seen happening homosexual friends beat , preached people claim christ 's followers know sort thing n't practiced majority christians , vocal minority n't see victimization christians question bob world would self respecting atheist want subscribe christian news group \? implication self respecting , course i'm student psychology , btw , student creative writing linguistics , literary analysis forte also , implications see improper , please let know i'm i'm little atheist seem think atheists occur n't think know everything maybe someone say something change life \? read posts see atheist decide time poke someone n't deserve respect \? aw , geez i'm sorry , probably getting back little high , 's nonsense thing really annoys figure see first reactions , though , since true reactions question , feather version seek sorts knowledge 's came university yes , looking religion \( well , sorta , idea kind christian \) outside , hopefully objective view 've trying ask reasoned questions , genuinely n't know answers , saw question directed atheists figured would answer , speculate atheist motives want \( hence amatuer psychology crack \) , without atheist , ca n't sure even one atheist 's motive i'm hoping people really want know trying show actually checked several religions actually read pamphlets people offer actually think things instead , i'm still faced implication atheism kind aberration broken people atheist try flip side posit atheism natural state broken people theists offer proof many people witness horrible lives picked soon discovered religion , religion regional \( people n't follow religion areas , would mix \) , many terrorists claim theistic motives , theists tend angry challenged alt atheism religions successful \? much suffering world , breaks people 's uncomfortable situation whichever way look , another reason i'm , try see flip side thinking \( also watchdog logical fallacies \) difficult enough time keeping , think know something subject implication atheists ca n't possibly know anything christianity probably jumping shadows , think reaction somewhat justified , first post suggested atheists broken , hostile people post confirms someone else believes bob reminds roommate order disbelieve atheism , says need proven wrong well , got strong atheist , feel lack evidence , especially something like omnipotent , implies lack existence however , n't met strong atheist yet said nothing could ever persuade call seeker like , n't weak atheism ignore , though atheists simply say n't believe god rather position believe god \( \) exist weak atheist , atheism disbelieve , n't actively believe atheism \( think confusing , try figuring difference protestants methodists atheist point view \) another fallacy many theists seem , everyone believes something \( followed everyone faith something \) guess \? atheism ends moment i'm shown proof god 's existence really much ask \? well , n't even waste time trying well , guess wo n't succeed converting supposition fail convince \? \( amatuer \) \? \) tell 'll take word told find faith intellectually dishonest note speak find faith honest , show unable reconcile far maybe 's i'm broken \? tell invisible living garden take word accept , fundamentally different mind really would like know think ask proof assertion god exists logical physical proofs , please 'll discuss nature god response , tells say atheist 's prayer prayer \? ! uh , oh , 'll revoke atheist club card ! \) good luck , bob , best regards good luck , well , , apologize inferences made inaccurate randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu garlic toast forever , max \( bob \) muir note abbreviation quoted always fault poster sometimes order get posting 50 rule inews clh
whitaker eternity demon co uk \( russell earl whitaker \) subject cryptography distribution world organization extropy institute reply whitaker eternity demon co uk x mailer simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 19 \) lines 566 begin pgp signed message please note following speech made chuck 1987 address letters address , given end document russell cryptography state via technology given future freedom conference , november 1987 know , technology particularly computer technology often gotten bad rap libertarian tend think orwell 's 1984 , terry 's brazil , proximity detectors keeping east berlin 's slave citizens side border , bugging devices nixon used harass enemies list , recognize price ticket fly twice speed sound , first walk thru magnetometer run government policeman , permit paw thru beeps think mind set mistake cattle , governments tortured prisoners clubs rubber lasers eavesdropping , governments used binoculars lip readers though government certainly uses technology oppress , evil lies tools wielder tools fact , technology represents one promis ing avenues available capturing freedoms stolen nature , favors bright \( put use \) dull \( \) favors \( quick see merit new \( sluggish \( cling time tested ways \) two better words de scribe government bureaucracy dull sluggish \? one clearest , classic triumphs technology tyranny see invention man portable , untrained peasant could reliably engage target fifty meters even target mounted , chain mailed knight \( unlike , , admittedly powerful , could get shots per unit time , required formal training utilize whereas required elaborate visual , coordination achieve degree accuracy , wielder could simply put weapon shoulder , sight along arrow , reasonably assured hitting tar get \) moreover , since mounted knights likely visit average peasant would government soldiers tax collectors , utility device plain , common could defend one another , governmental masters medieval equivalent armor piercing bullet , , consequently , kings priests \( medieval equivalent bureau alcohol , tobacco \) threatened death excommunication , , unlawful possession looking later developments , see technology like firearm particularly repeating rifle handgun , later followed gun advanced machine guns radically altered balance interpersonal inter group power without reason colt 45 called equalizer dance hall one possession fully able protect advertise ments period also reflect repeating cartridge rifle declaring man horseback , armed one rifles , simply cannot captured , long relying upon single shot rifles , quote doubtless true one updating present , public key cipher \( personal computer run \) represents equiv quantum leap defensive weapon technique used protect sensitive data one 's possession , also permit two strangers ex change information insecure communications channel wiretapped phone line , example , , matter \) without ever previously met exchange cipher keys thousand dollar com , create cipher multi cray x mp ca n't crack year within years , economically feasible similarly encrypt voice soon , full color digitized video images technology made wiretapping obsolete , totally demolished government 's control formation transfer 'd like take moment sketch ics makes principle possible algorithm called rsa algorithm , rivest , shamir , jointly created security derives fact , large number product two large primes , extremely difficult obtain two prime factors analysis product ex sense primes p q 100 digits apiece , 200 digit product cannot gen factored less 100 years powerful computer existence public part key consists \( 1 \) prod uct pq two large primes p q , \( 2 \) one fac tor , call x , product xy xy \( p 1 \) \( q 1 \) 1 private part key consists factor block text encrypted first turned integer either using ascii , even simple 01 , b 02 , c 03 , , z 26 representation integer raised power x \( modulo pq \) resulting integer sent encrypted message receiver decrypts taking integer \( secret \) power \( modulo pq \) shown process always yield original number started makes development , called public key cryptography , openly publish product pq number x , keeping secret number anyone send encrypted message , namely x \( mod pq \) , recover original message , taking send , raising power taking result \( mod pq \) risky step \( meeting exchange cipher keys \) eliminated people may even trust enough want meet , may still reliably ex change encrypted messages party selected disseminated pq x , maintaining secrecy another benefit scheme notion dig signature , enable one authenticate source given message normally , want send message , raise plaintext x take result \( mod pq \) send however , message , take plaintext raise \( secret \) power , take result \( mod pq \) , raise result x \( mod pq \) send , even normally decrypted message , still look like garbage however , raise public power x , take result \( mod public pq \) , recover ori plaintext message , know one could sent \( since one else knows secret \) concerns way day soviet union whole question personal computers one hand , recognize american right growing com commonplace used , fact , things computers interest \( instruct \) 3 4 year olds pre students one generation hence going head head soviet counterparts soviets hold back might suicidal continuing teach adversaries learning ballistics hand , whatever else personal computer may , also efficient copying machine floppy disk hold upwards 50 , 000 words text , copied couple minutes n't threatening enough , computer performs copy also encrypt data fashion unbreakable remember soviet society publicly ac xerox machines unknown \( relatively copying machines existence controlled machine guns united states \) conservative position sell computers soviets , could use weapons systems liberal position sell , interests mutual trade cooperation anyway , n't make sale , certainly nation willing part , i'm ready suggest libertarian position give soviets free , necessary , make take n't work load sr 71 air drop moscow middle night paid private sub , course , taxation confess position gained much support among members conventional left right political spectrum , , af ter , words one 's characters , political non shortest distance particular goal may look anything like people would consider straight line taking long enough world view , arguable breaking soviet govern ment monopoly information transfer could better lead , indeed , ultimate dissolution soviet empire would production another dozen missiles aimed moscow 's rub long enough world view suggest evil , oppressive , coercive simply stupid get deserve , 's immediately clear rest us escape killed , enslaved , process liberals began tack freedom , possessed reasonably stable , healthy , functioning economy , almost unlimited time proceed dismantle policy political least conceivable , crazy economy held together wire spit state taxes us feed poor also farmers slaughter milk cows drive food prices simultaneously turns around sub research agricultural chemicals designed crease yields milk cows left alive witness fact decline price oil considered potentially frightening comparable increase years ago price went , told , economy risked collapse want energy price increase called moral equivalent war feds swung action first time american history , speed drive car work morning came issue federal concern , price oil drops , risk problems , time oil companies third world basket case nations sell oil may able ever pay debts grossly extended banks suggested panacea government raise oil prices opec lowered , via new oil tax since government seeking raise oil prices extent opec , call except moral equivalent civil war government people \? , , international trade , imag entity world except government going court claiming vendor selling goods cheaply demanding naughty vendor compelled court raise prices , also punished act lowering first place \? statists could afford take couple hundred years trash economy liberties certainly cannot count equivalent period stability reclaim contend exists almost black hole effect evolution nation states evolution stars free dom contracts beyond certain minimum extent , state fabric political continuum degree subsequent emergence freedom becomes impossible good illustration seen area called welfare payments public \( thus \) whose taxes must , possible choice democracy perpetuate expand ing unearned benefit many \? go nearest welfare office , find two people dole recognize form voting bloc forever question owns life fruits life 's labor essentially love liberty need edge sort 're ultimately going prevail ca n't use work , slave , suffer , sacrifice , next generation billion random strangers live better world recognize , however immoral appeal might , nonetheless extremely powerful one today 's culture convince people work cause , caring enough personal welfare remain alive enough healthy enough continue working truly massive reservoir energy draw equally clearly , sort ap cannot utilized libertarian goals stand tonight say something like , listen , follow noble cause , contribute money support cause , give free time work cause , strive bring , \( children dead \) maybe children 's children ally live 'd think 'd gone mad course 'd right point i'm trying make libertarianism spread , , , individual libertarians find profitable enjoyable probably certainly concept poli action , n't believe , even necessarily cost effective path toward increasing freedom time consider , fraction investment time , money effort might expend try ing convince state abolish wiretapping forms censorship teach every libertarian 's use cryptography abolish unilaterally maxim proverb generally attributed , likely libertarians al ready heard likely would quarrel saying , might well feel 've heard often enough already , nothing teach us , moreover , maybe 're even tired hearing shall therefore repeat give man fish , saying runs , feed day teach man fish , feed lifetime exposure quote probably sort vs welfare context namely , genuinely wish help someone need , teach earn , simply beg course true , next time hungry , might anybody around willing even able give fish , whereas information fish , completely self sufficient submit exhausts first order content quote , nothing glean , would wasted time citing , seems almost crypto slant , though imply structure ac maximize benefits hungry may encounter consider suppose eskimo n't know fish , know hunt , hand , often gone hungry traveling thru country idea catch damn things , ate fish could catch suppose two decide exchange information , fishing knowledge hunting knowledge well , first thing observe transaction type categorically unambiguously refutes marxist premise every trade must winner loser idea one person gains , must necessarily expense another person loses clearly , scenario , case party gained thing , neither way comes exchange information \( rather material objects \) life longer zero sum game extremely powerful notion law diminishing returns , first second laws thermodynamics laws constrain contexts longer bind us ! 's anarchy ! consider another possibility suppose hungry eskimo never learned fish ruler nation state decreed fishing illegal fish contain dangerous tiny bones , sometimes sharp , tells us , state decreed consumption even possession hazardous people 's health permitted even knowledgeable , willing adults perhaps citizens' bodies thought government property , therefore function state punish improperly care govern ment property perhaps state extends competent adults benefits provides children mentally ill namely , full time , need trouble making choices behavior thought physically risky morally naughty , case , stare , eskimo informant lates law taken seriously friend recently imprisoned years crime pos session nine ounces trout intent distribute may conclude society grotesquely oppressive enforce law type simply dignity human beings may go far ther decide commit portion discretion , recreational time specifically task tyrant 's goal \( rationale may sense wanting liberate oppressed , sense proving likely combination per even motives \) , since zero desire become martyr cause , 're mount military campaign , even try run fish blockade however , technology particular formation technology multiply efficacy literally say literally , fraction effort \( virtually none risk \) attendant smuggling hundred fish , quite readily produce hundred xerox copies fishing instructions \( tar government , like present day america , least permits open discussion topics whose implementation , suffice , government attempts suppress flow information well , take little effort perhaps write fishing manual floppy disk encrypted according mythical eskimo 's public key parameters far increasing real world access fish made genuine may continue others information provided waste time trying convert id adversaries , even trying win recall harry 's freedom world success endeavor general inversely proportional number people whose sion necessary look history , cannot deny dramatically shaped men names like washington , lincoln , nixon marcos ilk also shaped people names like edison , curie , marconi , tesla latter shaping least per , nearly bloody 's i'm trying take project rather state please en slave , plunder constrain us , propose libertarian net work spreading technologies may seize freedom must bit careful \( present \) illegal encrypt information government wants spy , guarantee fu ture may hold bills introduced , exam , would made crime wear body armor government wants shoot , commit certain crimes wearing kevlar vest , fact would constitute separate federal crime law knowledge passed yet indicate government thinks technological applications , however , indeed pose legal risks recognize , example , anyone helped pre civil war slave escape underground railroad making clearly illegal use technology sovereign government united states america time found buying selling human beings quite acceptable buying selling cattle simi , prohibition , anyone used ferment yeast sugar illegal psychoactive drug , alcohol controlled substance , wine using way could get shot dead federal agents crime unfortunately restored life congress reversed permitted use drug quote former president , un indicted co conspirator felon let make one thing perfectly clear project advocate , participate , violation law matter oppressive , unconstitutional simply stupid law may engage description \( informational purposes \) technological processes , processes \( like flying plane manufacturing firearm \) may well require appropriate li perform legally fortunately , license needed distribution receipt information self , next time look political scene despair , thinking , well , 51 nation 51 state , 51 city turn libertarian 'll free , somebody might well cut goddamn throat , put misery recognize case exist ways make self free wish explore techniques via project , welcome give name address fake name mail drop , matter 'll go mailing list published newsletter friends acquaintances think would interested welcome well i'm even asking stamped self addressed envelopes , since printer handle mailing la actual postage costs noise compared efforts getting issue idea share , even useful product plug , 'll glad write publication even want proverbial free rider benefit others contribute 're still welcome everything public domain feel free copy give away \( sell , matter , 'cause get money i'm taking full page ads trying give away , 're certainly entitled capitalist profit \) anyway , every application principles make world little , i'm certainly willing , least forseeable fu ture leave one final thought n't learn beat swords outlaw swords , sure hell ought learn outlaw chuck project 3194 drive los angeles , california 310 836 netcom com address updated december 1992 , permission chuck , russell whitaker interested issues raised piece participate least newsgroups alt privacy alt security pgp comp org eff talk sci crypt copy rsa based public key encryption program , pgp 2 1 \( pretty good privacy \) , obtained various ftp sites around world one site gate demon co uk , ms dos version anonymous ftp zip pub pgp versions operating systems , including unix variants macintosh , also available source code also available 's blurb pgp , way quote pgp \( pretty good privacy \) ver 2 2 rsa public key encryption freeware msdos , protects e mail lets communicate securely people 've never met , secure channels needed prior exchange keys well featured fast ! excellent user documentation pgp sophisticated key management , rsa conventional hybrid encryption scheme , message digests digital signatures , data compression encryption , good ergonomic design source code free filenames zip \( executable manuals \) , zip \( sources \) keywords pgp , pretty good privacy , rsa , public key , encryption , privacy , authentication , signatures , email end quote russell earl whitaker whitaker eternity demon co uk communications editor extropy journal thought board member , extropy 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cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject good reasons wave lines 12 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey article arturo infmx arturo informix com \( arturo vega \) writes anyone else ever caught waving oncoming motorcycle riders car \? ha ! i'm bike , 's broken i'm \( really way \) kyle cassidy cassidy rowan edu fire guns ! dod 760
yadallee ersys edmonton ab ca \( dave shariff yadallee \) subject oiler 's rumour team moving \? press conference next week organization edmonton remote systems 1 , edmonton , ab , canada lines 38 allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) writes heard story local sports news broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington holding press conference next week exact details known , believed concern oiler 's future rumour pocklington signed tentative lease arrangement hamilton press conference , pocklington may announce deal quite possible deal may simply way force edmonton northlands oiler lease stadium northlands offered buy oilers 65 million earlier , offer rejected immediately pocklington , opinion divided edmonton fairly supportive oilers even though 're small market team , many sellouts 80s even problems team year , still brought fans many teams larger cities hand , team move , place deserving hamilton course , would affect grand realignment scheme bettman \? following , provincial government asked opposition block deal pocklington offering hamilton government said going nowhere ! n't believe government \? n't pocklington wanted tory leader 9 years ago \? dave shariff yadallee \( b sc \( econ math \) \( u alberta 1990 \) \) \( yadallee ersys edmonton ab ca \) god save queen , god bless us ! remember ! jesus saves lives eternal damnation ! newfoundland , keep good old clyde , vote liberal !
psr acsu buffalo edu \( strider \) subject wanted roller blades organization ub lines 14 nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu i'm looking pair inline skates \( aka roller blades \) new used less 60 00 including shipping size 11 strider suny buffalo psr acsu buffalo edu lord mayor , hill people \( 716 \) 636 ubvms bitnet son , able , said , though scare watch , said , beloved strider suny buffalo psr acsu buffalo edu lord mayor , hill people \( 716 \) 636 ubvms bitnet son , able , said , though scare watch , said , beloved
freenet carleton ca \( mike \) subject car ! \? organization national capital freenet , ottawa , canada lines 17 guys correct bricklin produced canada national museum science technology ottawa one , sometimes put display time , stays storage museum n't much room 's big deal car canadian 's anybody 's fan , also nice green '73 looks like came showroom mike ottawa , ontario , canada voice 613 823
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university georgia , athens lines 15 article may 11 02 36 45 1993 athos rutgers edu news cbnewsk att com writes paul repeatedly talks thorn side , think refers lust , others pride , knows whatever thorn , apparently compatible christianity , yet make epistles less \? reason believe paul 's thorn flesh sin life makes little sense light writings taken writes presses mark , keeps body submitted doubt paul struggle flesh like every christian paul associate thorn satanic messenger , physical tribulation , sin life link hudson
cnsvax uwec edu subject cd \( one \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 11 jap import one cd single contains one bell tolls \( live \) \( live \) one \( demo \) make offer , andy
scholten nist gov \( robert scholten \) subject hot cpu \? organization nist distribution na lines 12 temp 486dx2 66 \( measured k type fluke 55 dig thermometer \) idle temp lots bus , floating point , 32 bit protected mode etc micron computer , without heatsink recently put heatsink fan chip , might take fan makes horrible whine times , wonder vibration pins cpu etc rob scholten scholten nist gov
etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) subject search decent x based text editor nntp posting host eos6c02 ericsson se reply etxmesa eos ericsson se \( michael salmon \) organization ericsson telecom ab lines 35 article cs utexas edu spatel cs utexas edu \( patel \) writes ok , looking decent x based text editor following reasons hate emacs hate vi hate xedit coming pc based environment brought borland 's excellent turbo c pascal environments , something following properties would fit bill pull menus accelerator keys multiple windows mouse aware regular exp support key bindings easy use important free beast exist \? sure sounds like axe michael salmon include standard disclaimer include witty saying include fancy pseudo graphics ericsson telecom ab stockholm
anton hydra unm edu \( stanton \) subject pgp get \? organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 33 nntp posting host hydra unm edu moment pgp available executable format ms dos mac , source code platforms including unix many ftp sites keep copy \( although mac version getting hard find \) try following site soda berkeley edu pub cypherpunks pgp ftp access , try bbs \( see sig \) following \( nic funet fi , garbo uwasa fi , sony com , ftp uni erlangen de \) platform execs source bbs file area fido dos x x x login , mac x x nonibm , amiga x \? nonibm archimedes x \? nonibm os 2 x \? win next x nonibm unix x x nonibm \? n't looked archive see source \( usually ca n't handle format \) fidonet freq magic names , \? \? \? names source code , others either execs execs src extras , case next , patch \( still need one full source code packages \) bbs free ad , public service announcement ! est ! stanton , sysop noise void data center bbs 369 1 1 fidonet 1 301 2 internet anton hydra unm edu data phone 1 505 246 8515 \( , 1200 14400 v32bis , n 8 1 \)
george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) subject impala ss going distribution world organization goucher college , towson , md reply george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) lines 23 gm always screwed rest divisions favor corvette current platform exception camaro firebird load crap keep people realizing buy one instead corvette save 10 , 000 like idea impala ss , really wanted impress , would throw big 454 imagine cops taurus police package 3 0 3 8 litres stare taillights george howell ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm p p r r ppp aaaaa rrr p r r ooo p r r ford living american george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
battin cyclops iucf indiana edu \( laurence gene battin \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host cyclops iucf indiana edu organization indiana university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu , e story \( eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \) wrote article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? 's called wiping apparatus taking picture whole leaf gene battin battin cyclops iucf indiana edu sig yet
jagrant emr1 emr ca \( john grant \) subject head head win os 2 organization energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 32 article 1993may15 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes hearing endless debate \( read name calling \) os better , dos windows os 2 finally enought play couple different operating systems , decided put two products head head test , many fellow suggested , however , desire whatsoever use version os 2 wont really says \( e run windows apps \) os 2 2 0 2 1 run windows apps 386 mode , something larger windows apps require , os 2 2 2 , supposed beta test , supposed heard os 2 2 2 beta available via ftp , wondering anyone knew obtain copy would appreciate information , would like , , establish best os needs n't think question os 2 x x run windows apps \? important question subsequent os 2 versions continue run apps subsequent windows versions future \? keep \? future os 2 3 0 run windows 4 apps \? complex sign things come fall , believe ibm longer rights view microsoft code , way maintain sort compatibility reverse engineer would want reverse engineer application \? john grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey canada , ottawa
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject want billion organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 54 reply sysmgr king eng umd edu nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes n't spend billion dollars , since prize going scaled match level effort spend billion pretty quickly buying titan launches fine 'll buy george ! ! ! ! assumes ca n't weasel cooperative venture sort \( cut break launcher , 'll cut proceeds works \) government pays higher list price 's , buy titans , prize money entire return investment develop new launch system , uses , prize icing cake unless 're martin marietta , since \( recall \) bought gd line aerospace products mm gd house project , costs would look much better buying list price anyone really know profit margins built titan \? c'mon allen telling us cheap get improved doubt much billion dollar prize going show enough return justify investment constrained use current us launchers oh please much profit want \? pulling 100 150 million said done would n't mention goodies 'll collect \) movie tv rights \( say 100 150 million conservatively \) b \) advertising \( look , 're drinking coke ! \) c \) intangibles \( name , experience data \) 're going invest front money building new launch system rather pissing away existing ones first importance go bankrupt want lean , fine 500 million prize would adequate prize maybe wales would kind enough define company would consider decent profit want r done , 'll write r clauses suppose could make set aside \) software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject upgrading processor 386 486 machines organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 61 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu boy glad n't start one ps 2 computers started upgrade operation spending 235 amd386dxl 40 upgradable mother board midwest micro time upgrade bought intel 486dx2 50 cpu 350 finished still n't see ever made 486 50 cpu fast isa lb vesa boards test results taken mb 486dx2 50 cpu others x tal upgrades specs turbo mode tests fan heatsink kit isa bus x tal mhz cpu mhz cpu speed mhz mhz video chr ms 40 00 3 13 33mhz 40 544 62 37 00 40 00 4 10 40 544 62 37 00 50 000 486dx2 50 2 12 5mhz 50 041 167 22 441 53 6105 00 52 361 486dx2 50 2 13 52 703 176 03 464 81 6425 00 54 486dx2 50 2 13 5mhz 54 120 180 81 477 40 00 56 644 486dx2 50 3 9 56 220 189 46 500 25 00 66 666 486dx2 50 3 11 66 759 222 99 588 81 00 tests 486dx2 50 ran ice cold ! even room temp go ! 50 000 486dx50 \? 49 998 167 12 408 89 00 \? \? \? \? \? 486dx2 66 \? 84 234 224 00 372 00 00 cpu isa bus x tal mhz bus speed mhz speedstar 24x video card amd386dxl 40 40 000 2 20 00 mhz amd386dxl 40 40 000 3 13 33 mhz 00 chr ms amd386dxl 40 40 000 4 10 00 mhz 00 chr ms amd386dxl 40 40 000 5 8 00 mhz 00 chr ms amd386dxl 40 40 000 6 6 66 mhz tested 486dx2 50 50 000 2 12 51 mhz 6105 00 chr ms 486dx2 50 50 000 3 8 34 mhz tested 486dx2 50 50 000 4 6 25 mhz tested 486dx2 50 50 000 5 5 00 mhz tested 486dx2 50 50 000 6 4 16 mhz tested 486dx2 50 56 64 2 14 16 mhz 00 chr ms 486dx2 50 56 64 3 9 44 mhz 00 chr ms 486dx2 50 56 64 4 7 08 mhz tested 486dx2 50 56 64 5 5 66 mhz tested 486dx2 50 56 64 6 4 72 mhz tested 486dx2 50 66 66 2 16 67 mhz tested 486dx2 50 66 66 3 11 11 mhz 00 chr ms 486dx2 50 66 66 4 8 33 mhz tested 486dx2 50 66 66 5 6 67 mhz tested 486dx2 50 66 66 6 5 56 mhz tested 486dx2 50 54 12 2 13 53 mhz 00 chr ms 486dx2 50 52 36 2 13 17 mhz 6425 00 chr ms gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) subject dll nntp posting host dil adp unc edu organization unc office information technology lines 6 someone point direction file thanks come visual basic new version dll thx dave l
thg cam orl co uk \( tim glauert \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host cam orl co uk organization olivetti research ltd , cambridge , england lines 34 article news duke edu , kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes tim glauert \( thg cam orl co uk \) wrote words , opinion msw3 1 inferior competition 's msw3 1 objectively inferior technically inferior os guis listed ok , starting define criteria criterion , inferior i'm afraid n't actually proved shown aspects msw3 1 technically inferior systems said earlier , trying say trivially true aspects msw3 1 actually technically superior systems \( resource requirements , performace , device support , printer support , gui etc \) btw , 'd love see studies show unix x easy learn windows ! might even agree , balance , msw3 1 technically inferior competition still prove point another , perhaps incorrect range available applications \? base os cost \? cost applications \? cost hardware \? multi platform support \? quality sales service \? availability books training materials \? support visual physical \? use mobile computing \? quality documentation \? think technical excellence factor deciding os , indeed primary factor , need think
ucr edu \( john \) subject gamma ray bursters organization university california , riverside lines 13 nntp posting host article steinly topaz ucsc edu steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes article att access digex net prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? distribution isotropic intensity distribution , crudely speaking , indicates 're seeing edge distribution tell difference intensity distribution due edge spatial distribution intensity distribution due sharp intrinsic certain threshold \? could describe \( roughly \) intensity distribution like \?
gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) subject philosophy quest boldly \? reply gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) organization destructive testing systems lines 104 article gap caltech edu palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes lack skeleton means muscles actively resist gravity times land rather supplying balancing forces means much energy would required creature function bones also supply leverage points pushing lateral movement 's n't find large active creatures land hydraulics make rigid tubes energy required support hydraulics also allow creature produce large forces weak muscles , using principle hydraulic jack rather lever one yes , things 's true pressurized tube somewhat rigid tube , even 2000 psi levels hydraulic hose bend rather easily , though 's straight strength high , 's resistance increase practically nil member , 's doubt hydraulic leverage exists nature tree roots example given time shatter concrete pressure increases 's interesting note , land , creatures either two legged 4 legged , tiny insects 6 8 legs , never 3 legged , though would stable configuration argued 2 legged creatures 3 legged specific number limbs creature accident evolution , hard make changes structures panda thumb plus many fingers ancestors \( five \? \) hand , thumb modified rather modified finger , extra fingers much common extra limbs , especially fully functional ones 3 \? n't think take view tail limb , monkeys 5 think tail different kind structure , grossly enlarged case kangaroo , primarily still instrument balance rather n't know much panda thumbs , 'll ask \? considerations surface volume relationships would seem dictate active complex creatures stay size range similar see us 6 inch tall intelligent aliens seem unlikely , much larger elephant ca n't lemur intelligent \? yes , know mythical beast produced putting head another dinosaur , far space aliens also mythical well wo n't say flat ca n't intelligent , 'll bring couple lines argument bear try show n't think 's likely first let say say intelligent mean complex behaviors response novel situations level , greater , human tool use tool building ie assuming suitable manipulators present creature allow alter 's enviroment planned way , 's certainly universal complete definition intelligence , suffice technological alien one knows exactly makes brain capable thought , 's generally accepted one criteria certain level complexity generally determined number neuron cells , creature size lemur would n't enough neurons support complex thought argument considerably less clear case dinosaur 's room large brain , though indication one ever developed one reason may true speed messages trigger neurons require time propagate makes difficult highly complex central brain coordinate movements large creatures 's little selection pressure brains instead , simpler distributed network evolves n't rule intelligent dinosaurs , points direction arguments tiny creature like lemur needs eat frequently 's internal heat rapidly lost due 's high surface volume ratio contend creature must spend 's time energy feeding wo n't time develop exercise intelligence argument may somewhat weak dinosaur 's problem reverse , must moderate 's heat production 's high volume surface ratio makes tend retain waste heat i'm assuming certain temperature range optimal chemical reasons productive neuron function creatures would tend need maintain regulated temperature range near humans carbon based tends rule cold blooded creatures potential homes intelligence people contend dinosaurs may warm blooded creature size , 's activity levels would restrained would prone generate internal steam explosion waste heat whales similar size , reject heat ocean , much efficient sink air suspect intelligence manifest , certain degree activity environment necessary ie monkey curiousity doubt large dinosaur would capable much activity gary gary coffman ke4zv make , gatech ! wa4mei ! ke4zv ! gary destructive testing systems break uunet ! rsiatl ! ke4zv ! gary 534 shannon way guaranteed ! emory ! kd4nc ! ke4zv ! gary lawrenceville , ga 30244
nigel allen nigel allen canrem com subject results gusto heart attack study released friday reply nigel allen nigel allen canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution sci lines 61 press release medical science communications results gusto heart attack study released friday assignment desk , medical writer contact jim augustine medical science communication , 703 644 , steve hull tracy , 800 477 april 29 30 , 202 393 2000 202 7592 \( j w \) news advisory results largest heart attack study ever undertaken , global utilization pa coronary trial \( gusto \) , presented friday , april 30 , clinical research meeting press conference held 12 30 p gusto evaluates aggressive emergency room treatment strategies available clear blocked heart restore blood flow heart , process called strategies compared gusto use powerful drugs break blood clots heart vessels quickly prevent clots recurring strategies never compared directly large scale clinical trial gusto results expected important impact heart attack treatment worldwide press conference held two locations live national press club , main lounge , 13th floor , 529 14th st , n w , washington c , via satellite hotel , 145 w street , 4th floor , new york city , broadway 6th avenue gusto results presented eric , gusto study chairman , professor chairman department cardiology cleveland clinic foundation robert , , clinical director , gusto coordinating center associate professor medicine duke university medical center allan ross , , coordinator gusto professor director division cardiology george washington university medical center editorial notes attention television press conference may viewed entirety via satellite starting 12 30 p \( edt \) c band 302 , transponder 2v \( dual audio 6 2 , 6 8 \) , transponder 8 following press conference , news package b roll feed camera ready illustrations also available press conference telephone hook press conference planned availability limited please call mcs information reporters sheraton washington attending clinical research meeting friday morning , transportation provided press conference bus depart 12 p also available return sheraton press conference information , contact steve hull tracy mcs , gusto study group , 800 477 j w april 29 april 30 202 393 2000 202 7592 information clinical research meeting , contact jim augustine medical science communications 703 644 30 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization summary tough rings lines 17 article morgan demon co uk , tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) writes well maintained chains , running oil , without little rubber 'o' rings cause losses , might reach 99 efficiency average open dust 'o' ring motorcycle chain probably difficult job making 90 efficient 120 hp produced fj1100 engine , 12 hp \( 745 7 watts \) 1 hp 8 948 dumped 220 tiny rings \? 's 40 67 watts per ring ! seems little hot , think \? chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject honda clutch chatter reply jimb hpindda cup hp com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 22 01 32 gmt lines 31 organization ibm toronto lab article hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) writes jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) date wed , 21 apr 1993 22 01 32 gmt organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca path eclipse ! yktnews watson ibm com ! hawnews watson ibm com ! newsgate watson ibm com ! news ans net ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! ! ! hpindda ! jimb newsgroups rec autos lines 12 anyone else experiencing similar problem \? concerns clutch 92 honda accord 5 speed clutch first used morning , first 4 miles shifting , significant amount clutch chatter things warm clutch shifts smoothly chatter started moved san francisco bay area low humidity environment dealer stated known happen since honda changed asbestos non asbestos clutch material remedy ! ! seems moisture clutch surface causes slipping moisture evaporates comments \? problems slightly different clutch problem 90 prelude see rec autos tech detail problem false engagement point actual one also seems affected weather noticeable \( annoying \) damp cold days dealer says ca n't reproduce problem think 'll sell car jeff goss
jyow desire wright edu subject use dat tape backup \? organization wright state university lines 9 access dec dec dat tape backup need interface se 30 tape backup tape backup scsi norton utilities sufficient interface two \? jason yow human factors psychology program wright state university , dayton , oh e mail jyow desire wright edu
jim rand org \( jim gillogly \) subject new encryption algorithm organization banzai institute lines 42 nntp posting host mycroft rand org article 5v5 chinet chi il us schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) writes article 1raeir be1 access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace 're mistaken nsa 's communications intelligence mission strictly foreign governments 's excerpt enabling charter \( 24 oct 52 , truman \) clarify charter declassified feb 1990 foia request made public mind , n't know never collect anything 're supposed spying us citizens n't charter b comint mission national security agency \( nsa \) shall provide effective , unified organization control communications intelligence activities united states conducted foreign governments , provide integrated operational policies procedures pertaining used directive , terms communications intelligence comint shall construed mean procedures methods used interception communications foreign press propaganda broadcasts obtaining information communications intended recipients , shall exclude censorship production dissemination finished intelligence 're also protecting us 's communications , n't seen specific enabling memo assume 's role skipjack developed nsa standard setting business , though 's clipper stuff came nist , believe coming standards based best inputs government agencies , would include nsa jim gillogly , 4 r 1993 , 21 59
dozier utkux1 utk edu \( dozier \) subject soc religion christian organization university tennessee , department conferences lines 7 reading posts newsgroup pasts 4 months , become apparent group primarily active liberals , catholics , new , athiests someone might think change name soc religion perhaps even soc religion new might seem appropriate heck , n't flame , i'm catholic , gay , voted bill clinton i'm side !
cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject torx 15 screwdriver lines 11 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey article austin ibm com login austin ibm com writes ago owned plus wanted upgrade memory , ordered toolkit macwarehouse something like 9 included anti static 've success standard screwdriver slots , banging hammer twisting away throw darn things away put real screws methinks sell us damn screwdrivers
compuserve com \( larry \) subject ranking space mailing list x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 13 three weeks ago space list , someone quoting source relative traffic listserv figure traffic \( \? \) given unfortunately clip message would like know source list anybody still discussion disk knows source \( poster ! \) 'd appreciate getting reference road temporarily list cut mail box stuffing g please reply via e mail lek aip org compuserve com wo n't get answer ! larry odyssey magazine
cicb fr \( frank roussel \) subject ftp images astro server keywords ftp , astronomy , images , gif organization cicb , de , fr lines 23 commend everybody look ftp site cicb ethernet address 129 20 128 2 directory pub images astro lots images \( kinds astronomy subject \) especially gif format new ! directory jpl animations comfort , readme files subdirectories give size description image , 7 days' newer list note connect user , quota 8 users connected time , server responds connection refused , patient ! 2nd note site reachable gopher cicb ethernet address 129 20 128 27 ftp le ftp du cri cicb images comments , suggestions , problems , contact e mail univ hope enjoy !
burt rsa com \( burt kaliski \) subject md5 organization rsa data security , inc lines 89 distribution sci nntp posting host rsa com following short note commenting den boer recent work md5 message digest algorithm feel free email questions comments burt kaliski rsa laboratories article begin document title md5 message digest algorithm author burton kaliski jr tt burt rsa com matthew j b tt matt rsa com rsa laboratories 100 marine parkway redwood city , ca 94065 date april 23 , 1993 message digest algorithm maps message arbitrary length fixed length , three properties computing digest easy , finding message given digest hard , finding two messages digest also hard message digest algorithms many applications , including digital signatures message authentication rsa data security 's md5 message digest algorithm , developed ron rivest cite rfc md5 , maps message 128 bit message digest computing digest one megabyte message takes little second message digest algorithm yet em proved secure , md5 believed least good maps 128 bit digest inversion take 2 128 operations , collision take 2 64 operations one found faster approach inversion collision recent work den boer cite den boer md5 presents special kind md5 's internal compression function , maps 512 bit message block x 128 bit input state 128 bit output state show find message block x two related input states 1 2 yield output state f \( x , 1 \) f \( x , 2 \) well thought approach exploits structural properties collision function find 2 16 operations , much less one would expect practical implications work security md5 evident real collision md5 implies \( \) , need imply real collision indeed , real collision , since involves two different messages , would almost always involve em different message blocks x 1 x 2 f \( x 1 , 1 \) f \( x 2 , 2 \) , message blocks moreover , input states 1 2 would generally unrelated , input states except four bits seem way extend den boer approach anything beyond special , limitation readily admit reasonable , therefore , believe md5 remains secure den boer found interesting structural properties md5 , properties seem lead special anything approaching real collisions research , course , give better understanding strengths md5 message digest algorithms , eventual hope algorithms , sense , proved secure plain begin 1 den boer md5 bert den boer newblock collisions compression function md5 newblock advances cryptology eurocrypt '93 , 1993 newblock rfc md5 r l rivest newblock rfc 1321 md5 message digest algorithm newblock internet activities board , april 1992 end end document
paryavi matt ksu ksu edu \( saiid paryavi \) subject unknown mac board national instruments nb dma 8 organization kansas state university lines 32 distribution usa nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu iastate edu \( kevin \) writes need help identifying board found stuffed away corner title says , printed national instruments nb dma 8 fits fine mac iici snooper gives name board looks like hp ib connector back another connector top \( 2 rows 25 pins \) also looks like intel processor \( 16 intel '86 \) eeprom sticker p n 01 anybody ever seen heard one \? better yet , know \? clueless last option hook hp workstations see smoke comes thanks lot ! kevin data board mac ii series called dma board interface may call ni 800 ieee 488 find hope helps saiid paryavi saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid cis ksu edu
terminus com \( richard chandler \) subject new study gay percentage organization utexas mail news gateway lines 13 nntp posting host cs utexas edu elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) thank playing , obviously reading material presented according report 've got hands , newsweek article \( reported 2 3 percent population gay \) used criteria heterosexual contact past year time , university denver study points , quite dramatically , 60 self identifying gay men form heterosexual contact past year think big mistake study must one sexual contact kind previous year , counted heterosexual even n't intend way , 's figures used
dsc3jfs nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil \( jim small \) subject opinion means organization naval medical research development command lines 28 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes since occurance , 've paid many dollars renumerance , taken drunk class , , yes , listened self righteous assholes like think rest world 've never little dd suaree us n't fucking stupid cock sucking asshole 's n't little dd suaree i'm soo impressed 've spend precious little dollars make stupid act go fuck friends killed drunk driving assholes like infante 2 children friends drunk driving assholes like infante 2 's self righteous asshole , weak willed fuck head \? hate 3b2 3b2 bite
ani univie ac \( bernhard \) subject announce xm commoninteract ui development sys organization vienna university computer center , austria lines 157 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xannounce expo lcs mit edu xm commoninteract another user interface development system would like implement x toolkit applications c style like mini sample application class test public void cmd \( char \) void quit \( void \) public test \( \) \( xm test window \) void initialize \( \) void test initialize \( \) menu \( \) menu \( file \) menu \( entry \( menu item one , cb \( test cmd \) \) , entry \( menu item two , cb \( test cmd \) \) , \) menu \( \) menu \( entry \( e xit , cb \( test quit \) \) \) \( edit , \) edit \( \) \( hello world \) void test cmd \( char n \) edit \( \) \( n \) void test quit \( void \) exit \( 0 \) void initialize \( \) \( new test \) initialize \( \) continue reading \( contents current release 's readme \) xm user interface framework c language built upon x11 x toolkit designed simple intuitive programming interface access functionality commonly used widgets xm initially created motif widget set , support athena widgets added applications created xm run environments without changes , although many nice features available using motif situations xm extends underlying toolkit \( e providing borrowed ms windows \) , never tries replace data user interface objects left widgets duplicated rare cases xm nothing common motif besides general idea motif widgets c objects ' ' 's name many ideas xm architecture came 's smalltalk version , provides easy use framework windows pm mac applications \( first time development used windows dialog editor simple parser create similar smalltalk xm dialogs \) top level objects xm , use automatic layout feature various composite widgets motif xaw individually laid user interface builder \( first version dialog editor included distribution \) controls \( children top level objects \) , , , , , , , , , , , button classes display b w \( x bitmap format \) color \( gif format \) pictures alternative label text event handling done simple powerful mechanism xt callbacks member functions xm objects commoninteract \( ii \) built upon xm drawing class provides components building direct manipulative applications simplified implementation features commoninteract system \( research project institute 1991 \) , approach define software implementing direct manipulative applications multiple interaction media \( e sound , alternative input devices \) interrested , look june 1993 issue \( sigs publications journal object oriented programming \) paper commoninteract \( aware , 'state 1991 \) commoninteract \( ii \) still undocumented included used implement dialog editor currently supports drawing primitives \( lines , rectangles , circles \) , plan extend support bitmaps controls also known problem xm drawing class redrawing strategy \( always redraws whole window , even minimal changes like selecting object \) , looks ugly slow displays fixed first release xm still incomplete lot bugs using smaller applications running without problems think call used develop applications non critical purposes commoninteract may called alpha 's development continued year plan use another research project besides incompleteness redrawing problem seems stable used experimental applications platforms release compiled tested hp9000 720 running hp ux 8 07 sun sparc running sunos release 4 1 1 pc running linux v0 caution although whole stuff initially developed using standard c compiler release tested gnu g 2 3 3 \( next release tested compilers \) get uploaded export lcs mit edu contrib xm 0 5 tar z \( send mail , cannot find , e mail addr \) find information doc directory contains install build libraries examples readme gnu problems limitations using gnu g \( read ! ! \) txt tutorial use xm reference txt first try xm class reference manual readme files samples gives brief description seven samples xm commoninteract free software non profit purposes , see file lib copyright details send comments , bug reports donations \) author bernhard vienna user interface group institute applied computer science information systems university vienna 2 8 , 1080 wien , austria e mail ani univie ac
meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) subject david koresh distribution usa organization n lines 13 article usenet ucs indiana edu silver ucs indiana edu \( patricia anne \) writes david koresh concord waco tyrant 's failed though died fire koresh 's people prevailed good irony waco finale april 19 , patriot 's day day 218 years earlier , militias concord , mass , nearby towns repelled gun control raid current colonial government
hertz njit edu \( ken nakata cis \) subject vl bus hdd fdd controller ide hdd fdd controller \? organization new jersey institute technology , newark , n j lines 35 nntp posting host hertz njit edu article 1993apr21 grebyn com richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) writes article hpsgm2 sgp hp com taybh hpsgm2 sgp hp com \( beng hang tay \) writes hi , buying quantum lps240at 245 mb hardisk deciding hdd fdd controller 32 bit vl bus hdd fdd controller faster 16 bit ide hdd fdd controller card \? , vl bus ide faster isa ide ide interface fundamentally nothing extension isa bus , hook vl bus 'll work fast slower two , meaning isa speed 's true ide bus uses signals similar name meaning counterpart isa bus \( ide bus \) signal timing n't isa signal timing vl ide bus card set jumpers set transfer rate 3 3mb sec 8 3mb sec \( manufacturer might correct numbers 3 3 byte sec 8 3 byte sec respectively \) cannot transfer data rate 8 3mb sec isa bus hear vl bus controller slower ide controller \? hand , would n't expect slower richard krehbiel richk grebyn com os 2 2 0 amigados 386 comes along ken nakata apologize incorrect , rude , impolite expressions mail post intended please consider english second language n't full understanding certain words phrase thank ken nakata , cis student , njit
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject cherry new pens \? organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 34 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu lli cs cmu edu \( lori iannamico \) writes article published morning 's pittsburgh post gazette , kbl \( pgh cable sports channel \) president bill craig confirmed preliminary talks mouth north , cherry craig said interested hiring cherry color commentator post game duties others considered open broadcasting jobs current pens announcers mike lange paul steigerwald \( craig spoke yesterday \) , kbl 's stan guy , espn 's mike emrick , mn broadcaster doug , tsn 's jim kbl penguins new deal , giving kbl tv radio rights pens games plans kbl would like entire night hockey , starting 7 00 pre game show running post game show would sign 11 00 \( depending upon length game \) cherry announcing penguins games yeah , \( quote pgh 's goofy mayor \) i'm queen considering often badly slammed pens coach 's corner hockey night canada , would surprise well , people anything money , wo n't \? lori contact penguins lli cs cmu edu randy
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 86 article 1993apr16 cs okstate edu , kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes recent studies shown number men engaged homosexual activities last decade 2 3 number men exclusively homosexual 1 1 figures much less came earlier studies showed homosexuality among men lot higher , deduce figures \? lot less male homosexuals used men \( perhaps women \) honest used sexuality \? presumably , people polled mean , 1940s , men women much open homosexuality today \? want try one \? survey assured answered questions honestly suppose however , could gays feel repressed society n't feel could forthcoming sexuality something like survey true possible lot gays led believe \? perhaps americans open sexuality think americans n't might discover really quite people toward sex men women included 'd venture guess lot people considered relationship someone sex point life maybe n't take seriously , n't make less valid therefore , americans n't repressed sexuality general believe may 'd see lot people coming closet mean , ignore study study , continue accept study \( kinsey 's \) obviously wrong \? , i'm heterosexual 've never considered sex another man 's way could easily gay suppose one big debates homosexuality whether 's type behavior learned one born way imho , likely explanation 's combination two based , besides warm fuzzy feelings \? 's something ponder upon gay bashers ever considered homosexuals probably deem sexual orientation state affairs much intrinsic natural part life heterosexuals sexuality \? words , someone truly alcoholics share feeling , hit bottom gay may able live way even date someone opposite sex get married , heart still homosexual likewise , someone truly heterosexual forms relationship someone sex , still heterosexual even though outward appearances may suggest otherwise scott kennedy , brewer patriot unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest homosexuals would stop using government impose morality others \( antidiscrimination laws \) leave children alone , would n't care least private get liberal notion proper role government tell peaceful people live , choice continue point homosexuality alternative lifestyle , sickness david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun good signature ! clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
hiroki limerick cbs umn edu \( hiroki \) subject tones o' death nntp posting host limerick cbs umn edu reply hiroki limerick cbs umn edu organization university minnesota x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 23 hi , test installed 6 07 iici got black screen , way sick looking mac icon , hitting programmers reset , tone sequence guess infamous tones death able reboot floppy , removed japanese system , set system folder hard drive get system 7 01 back overt problems mac idea caused tones \? forget numbers comes mind self diagnostic , would older system version catch , 7 \? \( 'll moving 7 1 \) thanks advance , hiroki hiroki department biochemistry 612 624 university minnesota 612 625 \( fax \) 1479 avenue hiroki limerick cbs umn edu st paul mn
jwodzia fadel uucp \( john wodziak \) subject ranger fans \? \? \? \? \? reply jwodzia fadel uucp \( john wodziak \) organization clemson university engineering department lines 63 kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) writes kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu writes reading hockey news n't see many ranger fans writing 're , talking hockey n't go away like team 's fans rangers bite big one yeah think 're used \( even us change sigs root second favorite teams \) i'm new system big hockey fan long suffering \( 1940 \) ranger fan remember suffering builds character ! ! n't care ! want f cking stanley cup ! ! ! ! ! die ! aargh ! ! ! 'll happy win get school \( way 's going may saying piled higher deeper long \) ranger fans may suffering 're loyal , unlike islander fans show team wins observed many times 's true , definitely feeling alot people may like statement far worst band wagon fans pit fans \( least present \) case point know guy came hockey hell \( tm \) pitt u 'bout pens \? 're f ing awesome yeah beating devils n't mean alot wait meet boston detroit playoffs start playoffs start \? uhhhh started week ago i'm saying true fans seems alot floating around really know nothing hockey except 're newly beloved best team game right 're best team fans disappear woodwork john flames dev null serious comments welcomed eat rich far stanley cup goes think 's one team test pittsburgh 's detroit would entertaining hard fought series mario amazing ! keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! cow vegetarian dish keith keller , 1993 hockey hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john r wodziak real black gold 7 alan kulwicki 1954 1993 space triumph polish yankee mechanical engineer , crown 1992 winston cup champion great person rent !
gaijin ale japan sun com \( john little nihon sun repair depot \) subject bra bra \( johs dhhalden \) organization nihon sun microsystems atsugi technical centre japan lines 48 nntp posting host ale japan sun com summary exhausting ! keywords pete , newbie , \? , , dead parrot , , , old nick \( little devil ! \) tsk , tsk , tsk another newbie bites dust , eh \? 'll learn newbie \? eh \? slap table , pete 'll show ! i'm terribly sorry damned well young ! 's wet ten 's repeat sort thing ! , keeping grand tradition wreck moto , let 's ! take partners hand tuesday morning spent couple hours \( working \) torch , bits scrap metal biggest holes 's exhaust pipes \( couple aa cells three volt bulb ! \) stuck gun gum smaller holes pipes back onto bike , last night i'm way home an' bloody behold , thing starts blowing check gas escaping around clamp holding number two pipe port far see \( somewhat hole time ! \) , nuts still \( stop bloody , back ! \) , pipe bit loose morning go bike pull socket set tighten me' nuts \( somebody give spotty kid back good slap round back head ! \) , an' bloody behold bloody gen , find outer skin pipe separated inner sleeve right clamp mating , stuff bit baked bit mr best gun gum come work \( late ! \) ask oracle joint hold close exhaust port \? anybody tried \? oh , anybody tell differences 205 207 rod \( made gaz yup ! camping folks surprised , ! place isle wight \) 'd eternally grateful \( twenty quid two rods n't even know i'm buying bloody kanji ! \) john little gaijin japan sun com sun microsystems atsugi , japan
mizzou1 missouri edu \( handy \) subject info wanted standard phone line nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 14 greetings i'm novice area i'm trying gather info standard phone line settings quick questions want send beep phone lines , function generator tie one phone wires \? \? one wires connect dtmf chip audio \? \? help would much appreciated thankx advance handy mizzou1 missouri edu
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject armenians karabakh deserve independence ! summary karabakh armenians native americans organization p center regional studies lines 44 article metaphor com metaphor com \( ivan \) wrote response article galaxy ucr edu , raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) says ic armenians , usa ic fact , areas armenians majority ic suppose , large group people one area decides , ic us government representing interests , vote ic usa armenians refer chosen come united states lawfully peacefully however , armenians invade united states force americans either flee become armenians , succeed similarly , armenians karabakh forced azerbaijan either become azeris leave , also succeed , demonstrated karabakh , irrespective geographic position situated technically within stalin prepared borders azerbaijan , long oppressed eventually invaded 1991 azeri soviet forces , resulting northern third armenian area armenians armenians fighting back ever since clearly , feel rather ridiculous armenians , let 's say , california , engage independence movement free independent similarly , azerbaijanis engaging losing attempt claiming sovereignty land people karabakh , lived continuously karabakh thousand years first central asian invaders ever stepped foot caucasus ic get \? ic un enforce \? ic simple , beautiful concept , indeed \? analogy broken switched positions victim invader better analogy would direct parallel armenians karabakh native americans , wish , discuss tenets might versus right policies settler nations ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
dorin ksr com \( bob dorin \) subject texas rangers roster please help ! organization kendall square research corp lines 19 need little help texas rangers expert yankee stadium sunday \( 12 2 texas \) kids wandered outfield rangers batting practice caught ball tossed stands \( actually guy bit , might add \) 62 rangers \? looked like bullpen assistant type , think roster listed yankee ideas \? please e mail n't reading r b regularly thanks bob name bob dorin company kendall square research email dorin ksr com , ksr ! dorin
rboudrie chpc org \( rob boudrie \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization center high perf computing wpi marlboro lines 7 assurances escrow people forbidden report access attempts one 's keys \? ny state already crime inform anyone law enforcement wiretap phone , even person informing learns non means
bobc sed stel com \( bob combs \) subject gamma ray bursters organization sed , stanford telecom , reston , va lines 28 picture universe floating like log river log river , occasionally strikes rocks , bank , bottom , logs occurs , kinetic energy translated heat , log degrades , gets , energy occur distribution damage log depends shape log however , small virus head center log , shock waves would appear uniformly random direction theory grb evidence universe universes ! ! makes much sense grb coming oort cloud ! log theory universes ca n't ruled ! course , i'm layman physics world physicists , tell ! ! ! ! bob combs astronautical engineer , stanford telecom
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject maxima chain wax nntp posting host seahunt imat com organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 14 article 1993apr23 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes spray chain wax onto rollers occassionally , rust problem regularly michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) subject people become atheists \? organization university michigan hospitals lines 36 article may 7 01 09 59 1993 14571 athos rutgers edu bill mayne , mayne pipe cs fsu edu writes article may 7 01 09 59 1993 14571 athos rutgers edu bill mayne , mayne pipe cs fsu edu writes article may 5 02 50 42 1993 athos rutgers edu fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) writes interested finding people become atheists believed god god conversing groups , 've often sensed anger hostility though n't mean imply atheists angry hostile , seem one motivation giving faith thus , atheism might result broken ness condescending best slightly ad hominem attack attitude part many theists , especially vocal ones , one reason hostility sense like atheists say people turn religion immature emotionalism \? would n't n't thought pretty good job qualifying statement , apparently people misinterpreted intentions apologize part communicating confusion intent stir discussion rather judge seems worked rest post noted way , originally post alt atheism got , n't know sapienza department technology services university michigan hospitals surgery fil sapienza med umich edu
gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( phil trodwell \) subject societally acceptable behavior lines 75 organization university waterloo article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject societally acceptable behavior date mon , 19 apr 1993 13 39 39 gmt merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior 1 \) society 2 \) define acceptable \? 3 \) keep whatever legal moral position \? mac wow ! got thinking ! interesting question recently move society classify previously socially unacceptable yet legal activities ok past seems always two methods social control first \( explicit \) legal control set actions define currently illegal specifically defined set punishments secondly \( somewhat hidden \) social control actions considered socially unacceptable covered legal control , controled social ideally \( socialization working \) legal control hardly ever needed since people control actions due pressure social control manifests day day life guilt morality 've heard said \( fully believe \) n't vast majority people policing , legal control would absolutely impossible lately \( last 50 , 100 years \? \) however move attempt individual societal control \( ie ai n't illegal , n't pick \) i'm saying wrong , merely byproduct society 1 \) high education level , 2 \) high exposure alternative ideas via popular media , 3 \) high level institutionalized individual rights , 4 \) oriented culture guess i'm saying appear state transition , western world still many ideas ca n't allow people based entirely personal , yet fully bent maximizing individual freedoms max long freedoms n't impinge another 's imho society trying two mutually exclusive ends appreciate individual rights \( satisfy old dominance instincts \) , removal socialized , inherent fears based ignorance result continued destabilization society got quick fix idea get mess know would never consent roll back personal freedoms order society yet believe development societies follow process selects stability find social model freed 's yet stable \? perhaps possible live non stable society \? anybody see way \? comments \? ps therefore answer question 3 n't want \? phil trodwell space 'd happy ram goddam 440 volt cattle rent prod tub right , \( cheap \) radio ! hunter thompson
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 4 peace , made two one destroyed barrier , dividing wall hostility , ephesians 2 14
thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) subject type1 rasterizer \? reply ingres com 's message 11 may 1993 15 04 44 gmt organization communicator nexus ab zebedee ingres co uk lines 18 article zebedee ingres co uk ingres com \( support account \) writes article thomas tornblom beck nexus comm se thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) writes i'm trying locate type1 rasterizer ibm donated x consortium 've found patches original source 's r5 contrib tape mike , ingres uk \( ingres co uk \) yes found thanks everyone thomas real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden
subject fm transmitter ics help ! ! ! ! ! ganter ifi unibas ch \( robert ganter \) organization institut fuer informatik nntp posting host schroeder ifi unibas ch lines 33 article 1993apr27 vd seqeb gov au writes trying design small fm transmitter remote alarm use pretty high frequency one chip fm transmitter ic available used purpose \? help , circuits , info etc accepted please reply bsc graham seqeb gov au yes would use fm transmitter chip motorola \( linear interface databook \) , stable oscillator mixer \( e g 1 mini circuits lab \) everything done fm chip mixed oscillator frequency look arrl handbook lots ideas oscillators mixing n't think , single chip designs high frequencies yet thanks advance graham cheers robert hb9nby robert ganter universitaet basel fan institut fuer informatik plan basel switzerland ganter ifi unibas ch amateurradio hb9nby packet hb9nby hb9eas che eu
gabriel underwood gabe cmu edu subject pregnency without sex \? organization junior , math computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 11 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu heard great civil war story guy shot groin , bullet continues 's path , lodges abdomen female spectator lo behold legend goes , parents survived , married , raised child death taxes math jazz hall bathroom graffiti gabriel underwood gabe cmu edu
cs umr edu \( daniel \) subject sale nntp posting host cs umr edu distribution usa organization university missouri rolla originator cs umr edu lines 7 sale trident 1 meg video card 1024x768 256 colors 50 dollars best offer , e mail cs umr edu
lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu subject men get yeast infections \? organization doctoral student , public policy management , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 6 distribution na nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply agate berkeley edu \( \) wife used get recurrent yeast infections one day , doctor sent home medication pill took pill , upon insistence , relieved next day looked pdr rarely causes testicular atrophy anyway , men apparently get yeast infections
aludra usc edu \( jonathan barrett \) subject 's knowledgeable observer \? organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 19 nntp posting host aludra usc edu maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes one thing assured , however , leafs best teams league allowed 12 goals 2 games cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time roger , check facts posting ! kings 12 goals 2 games jon
blakey ug cs dal ca \( jason fish blakey \) subject 25 hard drives nntp posting host ug cs dal ca organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada lines 12 netters ! got used 25 accelerator , fpu , wondering points anyone know current driver version \? \? handle 16 bit grayscale card , get video option would hating hard drive \? \( ca n't use accelerator hard drive time \) need new driver drive \? make \? thanks , jason blakey ug cs dal ca 's big ! 's purple ! 's best friend !
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse king james compare previous version niv lines 4 unto shall dwell safely , shall quiet fear evil proverbs 1 33
tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) subject advantages slip ons nntp posting host hydra convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 56 article 1993apr26 kronos arc nasa gov pioneer arc nasa gov \( dave \) writes quick question advantages slip 's versus stock exhaust versus aftermarket exhaust systems \? n't see many people using slip 's heavily advertised half expensive thanks ! dave cost lower oem replacements weigh less also , instances get little performance replaced oem canister ontario systems slip mid range performance better also notice slight stumble 2 3k rpm talking kaz , developer manufacturer slip , thinks might need larger pilot , idle , jets suppose maybe live makes difference altitude , pressure anyway , besides minor glitch , like slip performance sound , louder stock , loud enough annoy folks ontario slip use sort sound technique reduce sound full throttle remember , every bike tuned system change intake exhaust characteristics beyond allowable delta manufacturer , may change areas compensate like complete change exhaust system , header muffler , changes exhaust characteristic point required compensate new engine breathing pumping profile talk folks make slip intend use ask used particular bike check people system also see think slip also , last data point , sport rider 's first issue , review group header exhaust systems cbr600f2 also included , side bar , ontario slip , dyno showed increase stock rear wheel , 85 verses 91 buyer beware , outrageous claimed increases horse power ! may true past , today ! 0 0 1991 cbr600f2 \( \) allen tobias technical email \( \) \( \) convex computer corp marketing tobias convex com \( \) \( \) 3000 parkway \( \) \( \) richardson , tx \( \) bike awesome i'm fearless let 's go jay gleason
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject volume organization university illinois urbana lines 58 ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes think guys think volume responses harshness somehow increases factual accuracy especially deplore attempts call racist \( many done \) guys think unreasonable israelis channel denominations combined \( including reasonable israelis \) somehow makes right well 're wrong started reading stuff last sunday thought might butt since severe information problem part people thought somewhat intelligent conversation might enlighten would nice , considering professional diplomats israel arabs unable 45 years , ca n't see us starting hey soon anyone wants discuss things reasonably scholarly manner , count anyway responses mostly negative 've called racist anti semite many times seems assumed people 's postings shared friends appears similar experiences overall harsh language coupled occasional death threats attempts get disconnected convinced many look elsewhere true discussions unsubscribe newsgroup people strong opinions need careful regarding say say , make factual able back n't know 're paid israeli lobbyists concerned , seems harsh rhetoric might helpful cause name calling , attempting disconnect death threats tip things work civilized world thanks teaching us civilized world , andi guess came either desert ghetto , right \? , paid israeli lobbyists zog people believe cause find offense people imply sort dirty dealing due love israel \( disguised paid israeli lobbyists kind image \? \) p understand involved many contributing atmosphere p p clear something , n't think jews necessarily worse people whole distinction cultures shall made \( n't personally believe judging people religion , culture race \) oh ! thank ! needed approval heritage guess go home feel good sleep knowing jews really n't worse people anyone else , contrary know true ed
peltz russell cs yale edu \( russell peltz \) subject pitcher get save \? organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 24 nntp posting host scorpion cs yale edu article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes edu writes record , two ways reliever get save must finish game either 1 entered game tying run base , bat , deck 2 pitched least three innings effectively pitcher may get win save game close , 's number 3 also 3 entered game 3 run lead pitched least one inning pitcher finishes game team , get win , satisfies least one three requirements , gets save rusty russell peltz peltz russell cs yale edu p box new , ct 06520
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center u19250 uicvm uic edu subject multiple inputs pc lines 8 anyone offer suggestion problem \? several boards whose sole purpose decode dtmf tones send resultant ascii pc boards run serial interface need run boards simultaneously need able ho ok pc problem , hook 8 serial devices one pc , send data \( close \) \? help would greatly appreciated ! singla
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject waco burning organization grinchco lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article ctron news ctron com , smith ctron com writes mst4298 zeus tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes accidental fire plausible mass suicide , considering davidians apocalyptic cult history armed violence \? place tinder box straw bales insulation , would n't time die smoke inhalation fire reached people burned death , truly horrible painful way die , n't think even fanatic would willingly inflict , let alone family n't know much fall 's government vietnam traditional indian practice people burning death \( willing go end \) political religious reasons since beginning time also , death smoke inhalation little better dying flames think toxic gasses 's pleasant anyone remembered jim jones thought mass suicide real possibility , self would simply method choice , buddhist monk , might far likely bombs , bullets , poisoned kool aid 's say definitely n't n't make claims either way find idea implausible enough want see gov't thoroughly determine started fire accident i'm waiting see government , mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) subject xview 3 0 question nntp posting host ioas09 ast cam ac uk reply dcr mail ast cam ac uk organization institute astronomy , cambridge lines 14 yet another xview question \( easy \) way detecting user resized frame externally way window manager \( e g grabbing letting go frame resize corners olwm \) \? , please let know ! derek derek c richardson tel \( 0223 \) 337548 x 37501 institute astronomy fax \( 0223 \) 337523 cambridge , u k cb3 0ha e mail dcr mail ast cam ac uk
syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu \( tom gillman \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization georgia state university lines 16 rick howtek mv com \( rick roy \) writes article 595 oryx com \( alt conspiracy , talk religion misc \) , oryx com \( stephen l favor \) writes koresh killed wanted lots illegal guns even say true , think reasonable way deal people want lots illegal guns \? makes say guns illegal \? \? understand bd 's valid class iii federal firearms permit , would allow pretty much anything short legally tom gillman , systems programmer wells computer center ga state univ classic star trek security \( 404 \) 651 syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu officer sometime show gsu n't care say internet , \?
howland reston ans net ! noc near net ! uunet ! cit cornell edu ! vax5 cit cornell edu ! subject camera work televised games vax5 cit cornell edu distribution rec organization cornell university lines 13 camera work games really sad \? \? ca n't remember many times penguins devils game showed guy \( without puck \) checked corner puck fired goal fact , think even missed one goal completely showing two guys holding corner last time watched football game , n't show going running back turned corner \? \? greg
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization delco electronics corp lines 17 article megatest com alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) writes v8 's , v10 's , v12 's man imagine valve adjustment one multiple non hydraulic valves cylinder \? \? ! ! aaron indianapolis motor museum day one early winners 4 valves per cylinder \( either front wheel drive wheel drive , think front wheel drive \) 1914 ! spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject dogs vs bikes organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 28 first encounter dog chasing bike first poker run big german shepard ran pack bikes riding tried bite right leg guy riding front kicked dog couple times \( going 10 15mph \) made dog got away applying outrunning dog started truly time , open drag pipes \( loud hell \) soon dog 2 feet away right side bike , pulled clutch revved motor roar pipes frightened dog away \( probably made dog 's ears hurt like hell \) n't come back rest bikers behind either second encounter already deceased road kill dog n't paying close attention pavement car front carcass looked time see run held onto handlebars wheels went squarely dog 's belly thump thump like running piece 4x4 lumber bike n't lose stability kept going got destination , found bits fur , meat , blood stuck bottom motor frame gross neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
lmcmasc noah ericsson se \( mauro \) subject stats reply lmcmasc noah ericsson se organization ericsson communication inc lines 4 nntp posting host lmc ericsson se x disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson anyone player stats games played april 22 , 1993 mauro
clavazzi nyx cs du edu \( doge \) subject koresh doctrine 4 4 x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 34 article dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes article 1993apr23 mnemosyne cs du edu , clavazzi nyx cs du edu \( doge \) writes deleted vast quantities carefully spew david koresh n't know rest , think mr tice needs hobby one spent last summer telling everyone doubted word great perot perot bashers , right moment kept quiet bit came back perot entered seems appropriate , somehow \) rumour fact survived fire secret rose third day spirited away fbi agents disposed order prevent cult following hah ! best authority \( mine \) koresh time share condo dallas elvis , jfk , \( course \) j r bob dobbs , also owns place everything else texas look koresh sightings weekly world news national enquirer coming months doge south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator \( tm \) one step beyond sundays , 3 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio 'll pay know really think ! j r bob dobbs
rob welder cccbbs uucp \( rob welder \) subject ear distribution world organization cincinnati computer connection cincinnati , oh 513 752 1055 reply rob welder cccbbs uucp \( rob welder \) lines 12 ashwin cc gatech edu \( ashwin ram \) ar instrument really work \? supposed give absolutely ! ya n't end ! \( accurate technique important \) cccbbs ! rob welder uceng uc edu 1 02 41 see \? hurts little !
matthew wavefront wti com \( matt \) subject espn f ck organization wavefront technologies inc , santa barbara , ca lines 41 x disclaimer spokesperson wavefront technologies , inc okay 's gripe ing \( \? \? whatever \) \( live santa barbara reference think \) okay , abc showed kings flames fine yawn espn \( fortunate baseball game \) showed red wings toronto game cool swear advertisements week long said espn would show pitt nj tuesday bos buff thursday raced home work early \( 4 30 pacific \) catch game , alas , boston buffalo game promised would show pitt nj game thursday overnight changed mind n't mind much watched game \( hockey much better hockey \) game video highlights patrick division hell going \? least show video highlights games \( especially nyi caps game close \) father \( lives bowling green , kentucky ck , egypt \) got watch pens game espn n't get biggest problem buffalo boston fans n't want see pittsburgh new jersey game 2 , turn tvs thursday see pittsburgh new jersey game 3 instead buffalo boston game 3 least , case , wait 2 days see game big boston buffalo fan missed game tuesday due false advertising part espn , 'd mad hell oh well hopefully 'll get better coverage next year something matt p announcers buffalo boston worst ever heard \( far emotion goes \) enthusiasm droopy dog hope better thursday
nick apana org au \( nick \) subject creating batch file windows nt organization apana , melbourne lines 14 sasswb k2 sasswb unx sas com \( scott bass \) writes saw another post list \( subject something like vi available windows \? \) someone said vi , make , awk , ksh available microsoft toolkit product \? separate product part windows \? ksh would need could count nt sites imagine mks toolkit , mortice kern systems another third party add , good one nick nick apana org au melbourne , australia 61 \( 3 \) 336
phj remus rutgers edu \( p ju \) subject new motorcycles organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 13 lmsc5 lmsc lockheed com writes \( thread comparative costs msf courses deleted \) hey ! even highest price mentioned \( 140 us \) course 200 , new jersey \( bargain worth every penny , lots things 'll get related bike wo n't feel way patricia phj remus rutgers edu
wam umd edu \( william david battles \) subject go hell ! ! ! nntp posting host wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 26 article 1993apr16 ncsu edu aiken news ncsu edu \( wayne nmi aiken \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu wrote blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! someone leave terminal unattended \? holy temple mass slack ncsu edu used underwear consumption ! legal tender po box bbs \( 919 \) 782 28 countries ! raleigh , nc warning hoard pennies bob probably ! jesus freak 's post probably jsn104 psuvm penn state loaded bible bangers use go vomit reason left even group try stop playing rock music dining halls one year cuz deemed satanic people run damn place part except liberal arts departments safe havens v rock music dining
josephc cco caltech edu \( joseph chiu \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 11 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes least locally , many shops carry product called goo gone works well sticky wo n't go away always , color test inconspicuous corner use joseph chiu josephc cco caltech edu os 2 gotta get thing ! msc 380 caltech pasadena , ca 91126 happiness x wings make appointment 1 818 449 5457 calendar entry send fax , resuming game
organization queen 's university kingston andy qucdn queensu ca subject oilers go hamilton lines 11 article 1993apr26 spang camosun bc ca , ua256 freenet victoria bc ca \( tom moffat \) says oilers move hamilton division play wo n't change name steelers something significant deposits oil around hamilton caused tire fire years back nba utah jazz l lakers \( think , lakes l \) guess nhl hamilton oilers
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carson u washington edu \( cave \) subject anyone know use rayshade \? organization university washington lines 13 nntp posting host carson u washington edu keywords rayshade , uw stein2 u washington edu \( toes \) writes i'm using rayshade u w computers , 'd like input users , perhaps swap ideas could post uuencoded gifs , ray code , anyone 's interested i'm trouble coming colors metallic \( e brass , steel \) rgb values sorry , i'm rayshade user hey , looks like group could use traffic guess metallic n't color , rgb sense rather , 's matter surface reflects light i'm sure property metallic materials , makes recognizable , i'm pretty sure color material look metallic
homi csd4 csd uwm edu \( sammy \) subject changing oil m89 maxima \? organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator homi csd4 csd uwm edu hello , another question \) got hands 2 quarts gear oil \( 7 quart \) need know throw car 89 nissan maxima se , ideas \? mix oil stuff , drain first , use stuff know \( one \) drain plug manual transmission maxima , would really appreciate comments also maxima owners , stuff cars \? thanks adv sammy
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject vandalizing sky organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon distribution na lines 33 article 1993apr27 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes article fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes n't want quote stuff 's said recently , wanted add point enforces rights u , constitution provides bill rights legal rights considered derive i'm sure countries seem hardly like groups discuss , huh \? \? \? legitimate power enforce rights derives consent governed , piece paper n't disagree said right whatever somebody acting enforce bill rights n't come effect ratified states \( indirectly , people \) point defined legal rights common law rights vague situational 's people insisted bill rights constitution , spelling exactly demanded government legitimate illegitimate , power power 's federal government force states grant citizens rights n't wish slugging match , feds win period 're right , n't belong sci space 've said peace rights \( least \) gracious regards , doug loss loss husky bloomu edu
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ricky vnet ibm com \( rick turner \) subject \? disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host ibm com organization ibm uk labs lines 5 use pbm 's convert three raw \( r , g , b \) files pgm format use convert pgm files composite ppm file , feed cjpeg compression slow , , work rick
cu826 cleveland freenet edu \( mahbub \) subject dos6 novell netware organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 11 reply cu826 cleveland freenet edu \( mahbub \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu friend mine installed dos6 work hooked novell network , running netware 386 v 3 11 problem 's doublespace program using drive 'h' swap drive , networks mapped drives switch place swap drive drive \? please e mail thanks bunch ! ! mahbub cu826 cleveland freenet edu
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject christian homosexuality \( part 2 2 \) lines 226 \( continuation earlier post \) mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes christians think parts leviticus law christians \( others even thought \) incumbent every case , handled merits determine pick one ignore another frankly think whole effort misguided reread paul doubt free anything christians criterion use making judgments , great commandment love god neighbor cannot go leviticus decide command basis , arbitrary selection simply context , remarkably offensive say notice verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows verse prohibiting appears homosexual intercourse \( sorry found offensive intent offend leading another point , discuss detail \) well , la ti da \? almost slimey argument one homosexuality rape know one argues seriously \( though one always find jokers \) defense bestiality absolutely irrelevant incomparable issues gay christians raise \( concern sexual activity within committed , consensual human adult \) , bringing relevant laws cannot address actual issues , bloody dishonest trailing red herring front world want address bestiality , business , mine attempting torpedo serious issue using culture ridiculous joke shows interest hearing us human beings want dismiss us , use means think see revulsion bestiality far exceeds homosexuality certainly spoke homosexuality way speak bestiality , nobody would trouble labelling homophobe let ask gently judgemental people 's sexual preferences \? happened doubt free anything \? think serious double standard describe comparison homosexuality bestiality slimey , making implicit judgement bestiality perverted , sinful , disgusting , unnatural short , things society thought homosexuality people share view claim know sincere , mean exist even newsgroup alt sex bestiality going accuse mere jokers \? notice deleted main point comment fact biblical condemnations bestiality occur connection levitical prohibitions homosexuality new testament passages arguably taken condemning homosexuality , none condemn bestiality one main points seems christian homosexuality acceptable due lack clear new testament statements valid argument , christian made much acceptable fact new testament makes reference , clear unclear , subject \? quite serious going accept homosexuality biblically acceptable basis arguments , going fair apply standards everyone else 's declared sexual preferences well arguments make homosexuality applied sexual preferences well , i'm going apply see comes i'm trying torpedo serious issue using label ridiculous joke posted question interpret biblical guidelines christian sexuality , n't think question irrelevant group called soc religion christian bible discusses homosexuality bestiality together context , therefore feel good precedent jesus paul expound , considerable length , central pin christian moral thought required love one another , else depends gay lesbian christ challenge address issue terms get return cheap debate tricks attempting side track issues n't know whether makes difference , record , side issue believe loving one another includes encouraging people defile , therefore high importance determine whether god regards certain sexual acts defiling read new testament god joined together heterosexual couples , marriage bed read old testament homosexual intercourse bestiality defile person whether person law gay christians validly put aside old testament standards , want know fairly apply sexual practices defiled person old days n't think 's right take bits pieces law try apply christians today , e g bestiality still homosexuality n't pretty much said earlier , right \? used different examples , think said essentially thing wrong apply certain parts law christians christians , doubt sincere ones , keep showing every corner usenet world , ever spout old verses \( obviously never thought , maybe never even read \) , total ignorance issues raised , slandering us vilest charges child abuse whatever minds manage conjure , tossing red herrings \( suppose \) great emotional force cause readers dismiss witness without even taking trouble find intent stir emotional reaction personally n't get upset discussing alternatives monogamous heterosexual orientation i'm afraid assumed others would similar attitude please note never intended equate homosexuality child abuse merely noted , lack clear nt condemnation homosexuality , even greater lack nt condemnation \( even mention \) bestiality , practice number people \( e g alt sex bestiality \) consider true sexual orientation behavior shame anyone claims seen truth christ , god 's precious sake , people quote irrelevant verses condemn people n't know wo n't even take trouble listen start condemnations \? loving neighbor \? god forbid ! obey repeated commands judge condemn others \? christ paul spend orders magnitude time insisting half dozen obscure words paul bloody ready take license god tells , god 's sake \? quote john 3 omitted brevity excellent question , pray treat mere rhetorical question , genuinely seek discover understand answer recommend begin little introspection much attitude towards find bestiality repugnant regard slanderous even mention connection alternative sexual orientations \? apply verses love tolerance way apply homosexuals \? automatically experience subjective feeling revulsion thought \? lot people experience thought homosexual intercourse regard practice socially unacceptable \? lot people regard homosexuality socially unacceptable feel violates traditional judeo christian standard sexual morality \? many people feel homosexuality feel bible condemns \? many people think bible says condemn homosexuality condemn bestiality think comparing bestiality homosexuality insulting homosexuality \? honestly answer question , come long way towards understanding many people feel way homosexuality feel bestiality also please note sense condemning people merely pointing read bible see certain sexual practices bible appears condemn , e g sex outside marriage say think adultery pre marital sex sinful , take failing love neighbor \? treat bestiality something disgusting , repeated orders judge condemn others \? say christians guilty sinning condemning judging , accusation making guilty offense \? simply taking note practices bible brands sinful , leaving judgement people god \? long ages , \( many us \) confused evil counsel evil men told came light would rejected us took courses probably show sinful god 's light blessed whose spirits crushed self righteous shall justified however , seen truth , truth light humanity know fear light , enemies fear light witness everything shadow darkness false witness us michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7 i'm sure mean two paragraphs mean jesus truth , accepts sinners , reject , agree sinners , would need savior salvation christ , however , mean sin irrelevant us , whatever want christ 's grace mean refer sin sin judgemental intolerant speaking general terms , specifically homosexuality bible calls something sin , unreasonable christians call sin applied christian homosexuality , think definitive authority christian sexuality bible make list everything bible says subject homosexual intercourse , think find every verse list negative condemning worst , unclear best pro gay statement could make list dispute new testament verses many people interpret condemning homosexual intercourse , gay perspective , positive thing say bible 's treatment homosexuality verses fail clearly condemn 's jesus declared foods clean , council jerusalem declared gentiles required keep ritual law , nobody ever homosexual intercourse abomination deserving death accepted christian practice verses describing homosexual intercourse abomination jews law gentiles law , verses best clear people believe clear condemnation homosexual behavior , 's sum total bible says sex intercourse appreciate \( personal experience \) desire everything simple , cut dried , black white , want ok , oppose wicked however , think bible makes case definitively would like fact , n't believe says anything positive case yes , know verses loving one another , judging one another , 's really issue , \? know admit still things sinful christians , since say wrong christians condemn therefore , issue whether bible says homosexual intercourse sin even challenge clarity new testament verses , still left fact thing bible say clearly homosexual intercourse abomination law mark actually n't think reaction comparision bestiality based think regards slimey rhetorical approach connecting homosexuality bestiality people accept homosexuality take radical approach law regard lev binding christians argument 's way text separate bestiality , homosexuality , wearing mixed mean people limits conduct , mean accept bestiality simply means sexual ethics come law , particularly lev clh
tms cs umd edu \( tom swiss \( swift , , swiss ! \) \) subject clinton wants national id card , aka ussr style internal passport organization reality liberation front \( pixels people ! \) lines 26 johnston cyberia win net \( robert johnston \) writes 'bout embed everyones skull \? ca n't lose without already dead \( ergo , need treatment \) close , birth implant smart chip behind ear skin skull hypo high carbon content glass chip would reprogrammed age pertinent medical , correctional , data behave 'll input permenant record forgot part small shaped charge anyone tries tamper , explodes kills oh , shaped charge set remote control get line properly patriotic citizens nothing fear tom swiss tms cs umd edu born die keep laws brain ! 's funny 'bout peace , love understanding \? nick lowe sig contains animal products tested animals congress shall make law respecting establishment religion , prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech , press right people peaceably assemble , petition government redress grievances constitution united states america
schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) subject boeing tsto \( words chairman boeing \) nntp posting host starman convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 7 description boeing study two staged using supersonic ramjets deleted words , boeing seriously thinking reliable , less expensive access orbit like fool around exotic airplanes
twain carson u washington edu \( barbara \) subject schatzki ring pvc 's organization university washington , seattle lines 42 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article uabdpo dpo uab edu spam dom uab edu uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) writes article 1993apr27 betsy gsfc nasa gov , ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov wrote second issue summarized extra heartbeats past 3 4 years , symptomatic , young , \( 30 ish \) , thin good health \( recent normal \) , smoke , use drugs caffeine , etc i'm willing accept extra beats normal , n't want ignore might kind warning symptom number pvc 's seems increase throughout day , exercise \( something simple climbing stairs \) also , get sitting lying , tend get couple extra beats could possibly related problems \? seemed develop time i' expert heart problems , pvc 's common past personal experience , history build \( related heart , \) , pvc 's come go , months causing anxiety taking fluids seems help , seem worse summer remember slow heart rate allow pvc 's apparent , perhaps indication healthy cardiac system \( ask expert last point , especially \) premature ventricular heartbeat , starting 1974 \( , way , extra heartbeats feel , described initially doctor , 're actually premature heartbeats would sometimes experience lapse one went long period time , making wonder heart ever going beat \) persistently eighteen years went low fat diet , stopped n't single episode almost two years know correlation imply causation fwiw barbara
goldberg oasys dt navy mil \( mark goldberg \) subject camera bags sale new list , dimensions reply goldberg oasys dt navy mil \( mark goldberg \) distribution usa organization naval surface warfare center , annapolis , md lines 46 reposting 'cause two bags door , took dimensions 1 5 \( important camcorder users \) 1 large padded bag \( maker unknown \) orange exterior , black straps interior five outside pockets plus lid compartment lid internal held whole 2 1 4 system , metz flash , etc main chamber \( lid pockets \) 18 5 w x 9 h x 7 strong bag , good medium format users 2 small nikon shoulder bag sorry sold shipped 3 small nikon belt pouch like 2 similar design us army ammo pouch belt clips , etc holds flash small zoom \( 35 70 \) fixed lens , lens cleaner , etc 5 4 belt pouch , black sorry sold shipped 5 coast camera bag tan brown strap main front pocket hold af slr small zoom plus flash , film , etc 10 5 h x 9 5 h x 4 5 plus 10 5 x 6 5 x 1 5 front pouch looks like gore tex n't think really 15 terms payment advance money order bank check , cash buyer pays shipping 1 go ups others , send adequate self addressed mailing envelope \( padded recommended \) enough postage please contact email interested \) \) \) everyone 's entitled opinion \) goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination important knowledge albert einstein \) \) \) everyone 's entitled opinion \) goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination important knowledge albert einstein
anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) subject zionism nntp posting host gs135 sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 47 really n't know possibly maintain hypocritical stance one hand , imply conspiracy arab americans warrants illegal gathering information \( ie auto license registration information california \) forms monitoring , including blatant attempts paid adl agents discredit american arab organization trying distribute nazi propaganda furthermore , attempt rationalize crude stereotyping pointing wtc bombing , arab americans involvement hand , publish excerpt , seems rail notions racial \( jewish , case \) conspiracy stereotypes really n't hypocrite appear , please explain article news cso uiuc edu eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes following flyer distributed aipac 's annual policy conference 're israel , 're told go back came come back israel 're told go back came 're vocal much influence quiet afford control everything anyway buy something afford jews rich n't buy something 's 're cheap poor 're called dirty jew ignorant 're 're called called rich jew jap visibly organized 's secret jewish conspiracy 're secret jewish conspiracy 're told 're people say 're still told 're marry people 're called racist n't 're contaminating someone else 's race 're fire left right whites hate us white non whites hate us white anti semitic incidents rising every year 're told anti semitism n't exist 're paranoid 're told shut holocaust yet holocaust revisionism every year obnoxious 're called nice 're told n't act jewish anti semitism world wide people yet free complete work neither free desist reasons many many part jewish national liberation movement zionism
dct ac uk \( john bell \) subject holocaust revisited organization dundee institute technology lines 37 article 1993apr21 gozer mv com , gozer mv com \( kevin l mcbride \) writes u government 's campaign persecution genocide branch davidians resounding success heil clinton ! heil reno ! gestapo alive well living washington , c real \? people dumb enough give money possessions guy says 's jesus deserve get anyway , killed feds 's goddam hero 's dead an' i'm happy ! ! ! ! ! kevin , agrees david koresh probably first rate nutcase firmly believes bill rights guaranteed right religious fanatic government guilty violating civil rights 1st degree murder ok , small , represented congress religious group going persecute next going torch church rolled copy constitution \? think i'm going sick john bell dundee fc league champions 61 62 runners 06 07 48 49 dundee league cup wins 51 52 52 53 runners 67 68 80 81 scotland scottish cup win runners 1925 , 1953 , 1964
jmilhoan magnus acs ohio state edu \( jt \) subject tempest cyclone info needed nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 16 article news duke edu connie acpub duke edu \( connie \) writes anyone information upcoming new computers \( cyclone tempest \) , need info anything would greatly appreciated shawn wkuvx1 bitnet according macweek 2 22 93 description deleted idea prices \? \? thanks , jt
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject faq essay homosexuality organization university georgia , athens lines 201 article may 11 05 06 28 1993 geneva rutgers edu hedrick geneva rutgers edu writes came 's response kinsey \( see \) source figure 10 percent article usa today months ago showing results study actually 1 homosexual saw another figure listed 2 figure course , even 99 would little bearing whether sinful behavior many people commited acts fornication \? many people lied sinned ways \? fairness , shameless nature acts reflection general spiritual state people , specific feature homosexuality n't specific feature homosexuality \? paul describes men men working describe acts sure , nature also , like sins , idolatry , sexual , sins sprang spiritual state result man 's glorifying god god thankful still , acts shameless homosexuality even considered acceptable cases hand , none passages contains explicit teachings subject rom 1 really idolatry refers homosexuality passing everything sinful specifically elaborated new testament \? scripture condemn drug dealer ruled spirit rather letter legalism , also protects us sins spirit word two edged sword cuts ways think must careful totally throw leviticus law reflection god 's character true holy nature , say god endorses homosexuality run problem homosexuality natural \( whatever means \) wholesome , endorsed god , oppose sexual behavior narrow minded , would us believe , condemnation leviticus condemnation midst sex sin condemnations , nothing text say law limited temple prostitution , good reason believe case furthermore , male homosexual sex death penalty crime ! every sin elaborated new testament \? take look corinthians 5 paul said one corinthians broken law even heard among gentiles , one father 's wife prohibition father 's wife leviticus new testament verse clearly condemns \( besides one \) notice paul say sin commiting adultery , etc spoke one 's father 's wife notice also sexual condemnation leviticus mentioned specific context paganism either pagan mentioned corinthians either matter fact taking one 's father 's wife n't even done among gentiles plain sin , whether worshipping idols involved one commonly made claim paul simply never faced kinds questions trying deal encountered homosexuality contexts people would probably agree wrong never faced experience christians try act straight fail , never faced christians trying define christian homosexuality , fits general christian ideals fidelity seeing sexuality mirror relationship god man unfair take paul 's judgement homosexuality among idolaters use make judgements questions one reasons us accept common argument paul probably face problems sin tough come , especially without supernatural power homosexual sin difficult overcome heterosexual sin , like married woman , sleeping around people opposite sex \? doubt , even , excuse god greater another reason reject ignores supernatural power god intervene kind situation many people set free sin power god \? sure may groups tried change homosexuals failed reflection people involved program , god 's willingness ability change sinner program uses formulas may fail people need power god change , whether involved homosexual sin , sin claim question counsel homosexual christians entirely theological issue , also pastoral one paul 's tendency , see issues eating meat celebrating holidays , uncompromising principle pastoral issues look carefully good people involved , avoid insisting perfection would personally damaging example , paul clearly believed acceptable eat meat , wanted us avoid pushing people action personal qualms n't see come conclusion paul 's dealings issues encouraged people give liberties order spare others allow people continue sin difficult take example eating meat offered idols paul felt nothing wrong , abstract sense , eating meat yet advised believers sacrifice liberty eat meat order spare others paul never allowed people sin living holy tough paul wrote make provision flesh fulfill lusts thereof \( romans 13 14 \) goes discourse sacrifice liberty order spare others suppose sin people practice homosexual acts since others consider sin , using paul 's approach issues , would otherwise homosexuals sacrifice liberty married member opposite sex paul never offers lesser sin \( homosexual marriage \) prevent people engaging may considered damaging sin another example , paul obviously would preferred see people \( least circumstances \) remain yet unable , certainly would rather see married state might tempted fornication yet marriage sin marriage holy something god , paul recognizes note creation story work enters human life result sin n't mean christians stop working saved actually , adam put garden tend fell fell would toil ground dangers trying cure attempt often fails , , end damage ranging psychological damage suicide , well broken marriages attempts living heterosexual fail dependent totally god glorious position must transformed renewing minds way homosexuals walk freedom , like anyone else well imagine paul preferring see people long term , committed christian relationships promiscuity work genesis suggests n't part god 's original ideal either think relationships still vehicle people sharing god 's love i'm sure see people opposing view see conclusion 's like saying , kill , gun \? person overcome desire sleep goats \? would better sleep one goat , \? person wants sleep \? would better sleep one aunt \? cases , people animals one sleeps , higher chance get disease deals physical aspects question whichever sin commited , leads spiritual death cent actions christian homosexuals say relationships different greek homosexuality paul would familiar , exactly kind argument made judicial oaths tax collectors issue often addressed scripture seems actual act second , n't historical say homosexuals century capable loving relationships \? ancient writings glorifying homosexual love \( btw , one believes making also , get tax collectors sinners 's certainly explicit jesus n't tell quit job \) link hudson i'm reluctant comment detail basic concepts intention jesus paul greatly different indicated article , whatever various words \( still think significant \) , seem clear paul considered homosexuality saw around wrong fact depends upon basic approach bible i'm afraid communication anti christians even harder protestants catholics 16th cent since disagree starting point , obviously 're going disagree intermediate discussion conclusions sometimes discussion still useful 've seen interesting work paul done jews obviously n't agree , sometimes helpful insight meant n't see much sign hope talk religion misc 's axiom time hitler 's name invoked , hope sensible discussion gone subject , sleeping goats invoked , n't think 's enough basis understanding worth pursuing clh
klp doe carleton ca \( ka lun pang \) subject self destructing copy protection vhs tape \? organization dept electronics , carleton university lines 19 hi folks , borrowed vhs tape friend warning begining saying attempts copy tape result destroying copy original found unbelievable playing recording two different processes however , 've never seen tape sold anywhere n't want take chance even 's small anyone experience kind self destructing video tapes \? thanks advance ka lun pang \( k andy \) lost frequency time unit circle email klp doe carleton ca dod
coos dartmouth edu \( prakash das \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? article dartvax organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 19 article 1993apr20 jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) writes foods taste i'm allergic msg like taste , n't use \? saying n't use like saying n't eat spicy food neighbor ulcer julie , n't necessarily follow use \( msg something else matter \) simply allergic example might allergic \( animal \) , like taste , yet n't follow using \( regularly \) msg might bad \( good , knowledge msg \) effects body long run , maybe 's reason enough use example ulcer funny , n't appropriate comparison prakash das
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject gateway 4dx 33v high price \? lines 23 organization dakota state university lines 23 well , gateway faxed price sheet seems higher side , , maybe 80486dx 33 mhz 8mb dram \( 70 ns simms \) expandable 250 mb western digital ide \( 13 ms \) dtr local bus ide interface ati ultra pro vl bus 1mb vram 24 bit drivers 15 crystalscan color monitor n't high price keep mind get 8 meg ram , local bus ide svga card , 250 mb hd , 15 monitor local bus ide svga really kick butt windows used couple machines vlb past , praise gateway mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
microsoft com \( ken \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 48 article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes much bs deleted brevity , point microsofties sell readers products \( would conflict ads philosophy usenet \) necessarily access info others certainly smacks ! remember poll quoted saying seen 95 users satisfied dos 6 0 \? care recall unbiased sample set \? post sure looked like fud coming microsoftie well , sure seemed like something level came reseller survey advocacy good spreading fud advocate favorite os unethical especially vested interest success os n't recall fud maybe example \? also get tired people assuming microsofties , like , members borg actions seem invite opinion never seen defensive people life moreover , many posts seem encourage , imho part , newsgroup attack oriented microsoft attacked anything ranging quality products , intelligence people , integrity business , etc anyone would get defensive attacked human beings well expect response claim employee might feel unwarranted leveled seriously speaking , shame ms techie employees get heat ms 's actions perpetrated management marketing sure talented etc doubts abilities , ethics marketing practices divya divya live long , die slow horrible death confucius wanted say
gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) subject truth waco distribution usa organization georgia institute technology lines 41 ok quick scenario 're home , bothering anybody next thing know , somebody comes crashing upstairs window hear explosion see individual , similarly armed individuals rushing front door \) defend family attack b \) realize oh , batf would enter like , better surrender c \) roll let whoever attacking home would like \? chosen \) , discover people defended federal agents , camped outside door waiting surrender learned intend charge murder , name , claiming safely surrender time start using psychological warfare techniques , still claiming safely give receive fair trial weeks standoff , still holding , begin new ploy induce surrender , namely using tear gas annoy , ramming home tanks yet claim safely surrender time patiently wait latest round attacks , house catches fire bales hay using cover spread fire rapidly house , try escape raised defense rubble created tanks 9 followers make claiming scenario accurate disagreeing notion fault dying refused surrender agents federal government another federal agency committed armed assault home basis search warrant look texas rangers view batf look fbi statements regarding batf actions apparent sources , fbi trying clean mess made batf , resulting accidental fire killed bd 's still compound , playing batf committed illegal assault , obtained use texas ng resources fabricated allegations , abuses accusing bd 's crimes outside jurisdiction held assault james cochrane danger , doubt , run space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles , scream shout rent
pannon bcsfse ca boeing com \( joe pannon \) subject geometry font units place pixels organization project boeing computer services , seattle , wa lines 13 planning convert motif 1 2 app pixel font units would set app 's resource file instead hard coded program however , word people tried already unknown reason offsets placed resource file still interpreted pixel units forcing people code offset font units program somebody confirm \? thanks , joe pannon pannon bcsfse ca boeing com
longs lance colostate edu \( jeremy davis \) subject ski supplies nntp posting host dark lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 26 following ski equipment sale 120 cm poles 20 \( white \) salomon boots 40 size 320 ladies 8 8 5 womens size shoe two unused soles included 's left ski set bought new hardly used excellent condition ! asking 55 entire package pay shipping cod charges send e mail provide upon request davis longs lance colostate edu
cunyvm bitnet subject harold camping organization city university new york lines 9 read harold camping 's book 1994 \? \? 's biblical points september 1994 probable time christ 's second coming 's informative book must read christians get local bookstore 14 95 peace ! ! ! clh
tony backyard bellcore com \( tony \) subject ultrastor nntp posting host backyard bellcore com organization bellcore lines 6 hi , body experience ultrastor driver package \? also need phone number ultrastor \( 's book \) cannot find company listing computer shopper thanks advance tony \( 908 \) 699
shell cs sfu ca \( barry shell \) subject great canadian scientists organization css , simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 155 two years ago posted following planning write new book called great canadian scientists please forward nominations shell cs sfu ca rules person must canadian citizen n't born canada even live canada , must \( , dead \) canadian citizenship great canadian scientists 70 people nominated already listed end posting i'm quite sure constitute greatness , may gray area ideas criteria greatness , would pleased hear event , please nominate people even sure great would like big list possible please give name email address , phone number mail address , contact person n't know , give last known whereabouts also please give reason think person considered great canadian scientist list , choose six interesting ones depth individuals style tracy 's soul new machine dramatic technique rest great canadian scientists appear one paragraph ideas project , interested hear far , received 68 nominations follows first name last name famous sid , john catalytic rna \( nobel chem 89 \) frederick insulin \( nobel medicine \) davidson black stanley , robert discovered man james r bolton , joseph chemistry \? smith , steven math algebraic topology willard boyle , craig co inventor ccd gerard bull stanley , robert ballistics dennis , carlos first animal brian c conway , karen stephen cook , alberto np completeness , complexity \? , gerald biochem aspects physiol h calkin , neil j regular \( math \) p n palmer , bill chem , mosquito repellant h e anonymous mass spectroscopy , admin jack , jack math , operations research , hans wire insulation , light bulb ursula franklin , william physics materials j gray gray , tom nuclear physics , gray e w , craig array radar donald lyons , michael learning \( \) gerhard optical nobel 71 james electron microscope \( \) crawford , carlos ecology , prey david lyons , michael visual cortex \( nobel med \? \) kenneth dare , gary invented apl j jackson , matt elementary particle theory andre , prakash category theory , logic martin carbon 14 \( canadian amer \) irving , bob algebra , functional analysis george kell kell , dave hot water freezing e kellogg palmer , bill chem , mosquito repellant kenney wallace , anthony chemistry \? administration brian brader , mark c programming language michael l klein , massimo theoretical chemistry charles j krebs , carlos ecology , krebs effect k j , karen chemical g c laurence palmer , bill physics \? \? \? \? raymond lemieux smith , earl first synthesized glucose martin levine meunier , robert computer vision edward lowry computer programming marie meunier , robert de montreal colin macleod turner , steven nobel \( \? \) dna discovery \? marshall mcluhan clamen , stewart social sci , communications ben morrison willson , david aurora lawrence morley , murray plate remote sense farley abbott , john northern animal rights \? kevin , kelly genetics , cure herpes \? sir william lyons , michael medicine p j e , ethan important wilder , marie basis memory john denis meunier , robert computer vision anatol lloyd jones , david conflict theory , game theory howard sutherland , russell pulp chemistry hans , k psychology stress william stephenson wilkins , darin ww2 enigma code , wire photo boris , anthony raman spectroscopy david suzuki , darren science communication henry parker , wiley physical chemistry richard taylor manuel , john verified quark model david thompson eisler , michael mapped western canada green , christopher psychology memory bill , gordon theory \( math \) palmer , bill 's syndrome j wilson collier , john continental drift theory r h wright palmer , bill chem , mosquito repellant j l \( allen \) , vl baseline walter reactor \( amer \) list growing nicely 's amazing see much discovered canadians actually many born canada , became americans graduate school please note lot people nominated alexander graham bell feel really scottish american summer home canada know debatable , please n't nominate anyone fill question marks list , please drop line two years ago since , received grant science culture canada , division supply services canada research book since old posting book evolved educational book kids aged 9 14 \( though may change \) 40 two page spreads large graphic middle text graphic boxes around following subjects vital statistics photo scientist , personal statement scientist , narrative moments life scientist , 12 , want insert kind scientist , experiment appendix 100 200 scientists one paragraph n't quite make double spreads whole thing published cd rom video sound clips added looking cd rom publisher well text part may also available electronic highway developed canada well still looking publisher though penguin canada came close hope find one soon would like ask nominations , especially pure sciences physics , chemistry biology also criticisms list welcomed also women french canadian scientists needed hope posting get others nominate great canadian scientists , discuss great canadian scientist please respond shell sfu ca barry shell 604 876 quebec st vancouver , b c canada thanks responded already
gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) subject datsun nissan 240 260 cars organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 19 well , opel deal fell i'm looking datsun sale local buy sell previous owners experience cars \? besides looking rust , good compression , low miles , usual car things one looks , anything special cars watch \? things like handling , performance , mileage , etc cars look hot , eyes least , bear passing resemblance aston martin \( sp \? \) , one cars ever made difference , , \? rather imho , cars decent thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca
tartarus uwa edu au \( desmond chan \) subject honda clutch chatter organization university western australia lines 8 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 1 also experience kinda problem 89 bmw 318 cold start ups , clutch seems sticky everytime drive , , clutch seems stick onto somewhere depress clutch , whole chassis moves along , becomes smooth think suggestion right remedy also found clutch already thin still alright couple grand !
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 47 article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes i'm asking anyone buy yeast connection book n't know 's book , plain simple honest , i'm beginning wish never written agree consensus written way doctor claims introduced dr crook possibility candida overbloom causing diffuse symptoms way back 1961 \( reason doubt \) like book 1 \) makes many unfounded claims , 2 \) horribly written scientific viewpoint hand , doctor always kept open mind subject believe aspects yeast connection , believe truth book hopefully right clinical studies done separate fact fiction meantime , 'd still encourage people incurable chronic sinus problems \( especially antibiotics \) , find doctor administer systemic type anti fungal itraconazole \( along liver panels , treatment play safe \) empirical approach sure , else fails , ent says sorry , 'll live , time step try empirical approach backed significant anecdotal evidence \( dr ivker \) , supported plausible theories \( outlined marty \) stage little lose , particularly use itraconazole proper monitoring health risk shown extensive clinical studies europe u minimal relatively healthy \( e , non aids \) patients i'm glad , since saw remarkable results one week sporanox \( itraconazole \) course , mileage may vary lot everyone different may work talk doctor jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
ss apmaths uwo ca \( sultan \) subject merlin , mithras magick organization applied mathematics , u w nntp posting host apmaths uwo ca lines 9 article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff mithras deleted oh , b day 25 dec ahem thought celebrated romans time mithras connected \?
cs utwente nl \( arjen \) subject xwindows conversion nntp posting host cs utwente nl organization university twente , dept computer science lines 13 hi , 've heard commercial package named , could convert ms windows source code xwindows source code \( c \) problem , package n't available holland \( least , ca n't find anywhere \( \) another package \( free shareware \) , thing \? , find buy \? thanks advance arjen
bnr ca \( jim dean \) subject rule book trivia 2 reply bnr ca organization bell northern research lines 56 article 93108 maine maine edu , ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes week 's play took three days get us , 'll try anyway naturally n't seen answer runners first second one , batter hits easy pop fly third baseman \( \) umpires declare infield fly rule third baseman lets ball drop runner second heads third third baseman ball short stop tags bag runner safe correct call infield fly , \( batter \) fair runners may advance risk \( gotta tag caught , etc \) force , pop caught , regardless whether ss tags 3b 2b \( n't clear , \) , n't got runner \( b \) umpires n't declare infield fly rule third baseman allows ball drop throws short stop , tags runner second runner second third see rule 6 05 \( l \) approved ruling \( \) case , umpire decided whatever reason infield fly rule n't apply \( sounds like bad call , 's point \) batter , force situation created therefore , runner \( unless , rule 6 05 \( l \) ball dead batter safe , guess runners would advance ca n't really tell 6 05 \( l \) ball dead situation \) 's call \( \) \( b \) \? pertinent rules 2 00 definition infield fly infield fly called , runners may advance risk infield fly rule , infielder intentionally drops fair ball , ball remains play despite provisions rule 6 05 \( l \) infield fly rule takes precedence 6 05 \( l \) batter infielder intentionally drops fair fly ball line drive , first , first second , first thrid , first , second third base occupied two ball dead runners runners shall return original base bases approved ruling situation , batter infielder permits ball drop untouched ground , except infield fly rule applies jim dean \( internet bnr ca \) national capital baseball league mild mannered computer scientist phone president pitcher \? bell northern research , ottawa , ont booth legit hit ! 6 0 , 1 99 phone \( 613 \) 763 fax 763 phone \( 613 \) 723
cleveland freenet edu \( frank \) subject tools wanted organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 7 nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu i'm looking buy tools kind know sale please leave e mail 'll get back promptly frank
teal csn org \( collins \) subject looking mike damico nntp posting host teal csn org organization colorado supernet , inc x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 11 recently purchased ibm monochrome vga monitor mike damico monitor arrived missing 's power cable mike 's address apparently proper address mail ca n't reach anyone knows contact mike could help find would appreciate sure set aside power cord packing monitor would lot useful cord well collins , professor computer education colorado mountain college newcastle co us
dan cc swarthmore edu subject space marketing boycott x xxmessage id swarthmore edu x xxdate sun , 16 may 93 04 17 16 gmt nntp posting host swarthmore edu organization swarthmore college lines 12 reasons humans think place control everything doubt space advertising worse kind advertising , lot harder escape , probably blatant example yet disregard fact fact universe annoying little species , n't \? dan \( cc swarthmore edu \) programmer guy geometry forum swarthmore college
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject question addressing \( correction \) nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 4 little correction previous post hour ago please replace term term wherever appears \( n't added extra 'e' every time \)
dianem boi hp com \( diane mathews \) subject janet reno killed waco children distribution na organization hewlett packard boise , idaho lines 12 article 1993apr20 153450 27407 ncsu edu dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) writes janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , president balls enough stand decision
daniel siemens com \( daniel l \) subject \( formerly national boards \) part 1 request medical students summary request books keywords , national boards , nbme nntp posting host learning siemens com organization siemens corporate research , princeton \( \) , nj distribution usa lines 33 request goes medical students done planning sit \( national boards \) part 1 wife sitting examination early june year would like look old national boards , part 1 questions found following books books currently print books \( 1 \) retired nbme basic medical science test items , nbme published nbme 1991 \( 2 \) self test part 1 basic medical sciences , nbme published nbme 1989 would appreciate anyone books willing loan couple days obviously , would reimburse postage related charges failing would beneficial anyone could point library ny , nj pa area may books please respond e mail since read newsgroup regularly thanks advance daniel e mail daniel learning siemens com
kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( scott dorsey \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines 23 distribution na nntp posting host grissom larc nasa gov article 1993apr23 mprgate mpr ca vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) writes article tekig7 pen tek com , tekig5 pen tek com \( alan \) writes battery goes dead primarily floor cold temperature combined self discharge promotes ruins plates battery strongly suspect reason battery n't go dead quickly dirt surface cement tends quite cooler please explain cement able maintain lower average temperature dirt sheesh 's temperature , 's karma see , dirt good karma , since 's organic full living things , cement squared artificial looking , lost karma process karma sink , sucks good karma battery longer able keep charge wood also good organic , putting board battery cement fix problems buddha nature acid , also lead plate novice asked master whether lead karma whether solid lead master handed novice b battery , terminals downward , thus novice enlightened scott
bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject israel apartheid state \? quite organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 9 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu arab citizens rights jews arabs exempt military service , arabs full voice israeli politics , degree choose get involved may vote arabs cabinet claim israel apartheid state racist claim , one based total disregard facts total hatred israel
jonathan l andrew cmu edu subject active matrix clr pb organization junior , im mcs cit track , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 7 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu know apple working active matrix color powerbook going come heard rumor two months another seen macworld expo boston \? 's word \? jon andrew cmu edu
blair med uvm edu \( blair robertson \) subject service indicator bmw organization university vermont division emba computer facility x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 76 dchan cisco com \( derek chan \) writes article 1993apr22 westminster ac uk , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) writes derek tool available reset service indicator bmws lights come back 2 3 weeks tool fact illegal \( europe atleast \) often case unsuspecting buy used bmw weeks later , lights come ! , know tool anyone else \? shaz , hmm service indicators works way 5 green , 1 yellow , 1 red indicators initially green indicators minutes start car computer actually sense drive car time goes green indicators start go one one yellow indicator turn red indicator go get service time green indicators service mechanic \( \) reset service indicators computer starts counting expect tool \( procedure \) reset green lights come yellow red lights go wonder people oil change themself without knowing reset indicator 's first european car changing oil 15 , 000 miles surprise 's big plus \) wonder could happen since oil lose lubrication ability time , thought 's oil vehicle determines often change oil bmw owner net \? response welcomed ps initial question service indicator bmw derek perfectly legal tool available reset bimmer service lights cost 45 mailorder , buying one far outweighs possible consequences destroying electronics try di wonder people oil change without knowing reset important \? reason stop annoyance red light staring forget 'in european cars need change oil every crap anyone serious keeping engine good shape , extending life , change every 3000 , \( inc filter \) n't wait lights come servicing car bought bmw 6 months ago , 3 green lights changed oil every 3000 , completly flushed brake , changed filters \( oil , air fuel , changed transmission drive oils done almost things req service 1 service 2 nearly 6000 miles , still 2 green lights winter burlington \( snowing today ! ! \) bad good luck ! blair blair e robertson new vermont university vermont posting ideas medical research smooth muscle ion channel group vermont 2500 email blair med uvm edu telephone \( 802 \) 656
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject good jesus died \? organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 15 sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes 've done things , 've , learned lesson two far aspirin , good talk wife , one week vacation cured need group therapy strange religions ! um , kent wife \? ! \? brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) subject cost gun waiting periods \? \? \? reply eeb1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 35 article access digex net access digex com \( carl aron \) writes i'm sure thread popped , 've never thought waiting periods anything training competence ca n't valid reason gun ca n't wait days ca n't think valid reason gun ca n't wait \? either limited imagination strange definition word valid reasons might want gun right 're korean la riot started nearby neighborhood 've received death threat broken arm fear life stay 's said 'll kill leave psychopath breaking people 's houses neighborhood robbing killing people inside violent mugger operating route take get night job lots dangers might wo n't wait waiting period purchase gun pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions safe , legal , early , rare
neosoft com \( george \) subject illegal transmit encrypted data \? organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 keywords encryption munitions act lines 11 aware restrictions imposed munitions act export cryptographic technology , however , illegal transmit encrypted data u another country \? , laws apply situation \? neosoft com george visualize ! net 's worth \( 713 \) 994
cbnewsg cb att com \( bentz e \) subject sport utility vehical comparisons \? opinions \? organization lines 51 article cronkite cisco com , kmac cisco com \( karl elvis macrae \) read road track car driver \( one mag two \? b \) , wondering people opinions differed mags say i'm looking following three suv 's anyone 's driven three strong opinions \? ford explorer toyota 4runner nissan pathfinder currently i'm leaning toward toyota , 'cause 've big success toyota trucks past , 'cause think 's best looking three thought 'd see anyone strong opinions thanks ! karl agree toyota best looking n't fit plus highest cost ones mentioned good friends three trucks talked , ones kids went ford room required carry couple kids junk need single ones went toyota nissan every one happy bought although one serious four wheel road driving karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac cisco com batman cisco com 415 688 dod 1999 fj1200 shovels rakes implements destruction arlo guthrie bentz \( 303 \) 488 \( ! \) e ave englewood , colorado powder skiing path salvation
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject eyewitnesses 'armenian genocide 2 5 million reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 226 article zeus tamu edu zeus tamu edu \( stephanie tsai \) writes serdar argic , , please stop posting reposting messages regarding armenian actions call , see hate messages rather facts every civilization old turkish armenian civilizations guilty barbaric acts , longer time place espouse hatred good \? read lot newsgroups gain hate messages rather facts \? sorry , argument falls flat face references eminent authors field middle eastern history eyewitnesses armenian genocide 2 5 million muslims 1 armenian revolutionary movement louise nalbandian , university california press , berkeley , los angeles , 1975 2 diplomacy imperialism 1890 1902 william lenger , professor history , harward university , boston , alfred knopt , new york , 1951 3 turkey europe sir charles elliot , edward arnold , london , 1900 4 chatnam house version middle eastern studies elie kedouri , praeger publishers , new york , washington , 1972 5 rising crescent ernest jackh , farrar reinhart , inc , new york toronto , 1944 6 spiritual political evolutions islam felix valyi , mogan , paul , trench truebner co , london , 1925 7 struggle power moslem asia e alexander powell , century co , new york , london , 1924 8 struggle transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh , yale university press , new , conn , 1951 9 history ottoman empire modern turkey \( 2 volumes \) stanford j shaw , cambridge university press , cambridge , new york , melbourne , 1977 10 western question greece turkey arnold j toynbee , constable co , ltd , london , bombay sydney , 1922 11 caliph 's last heritage sir mark sykes , macmillan co , london , 1915 12 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1928 13 adventures near east , 1918 22 rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 14 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 15 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) 16 armenia road independence richard g hovanessian , university california press , berkeley , california , 1967 17 rebirth turkey clair price , thomas seltzer , new york , 1923 18 caucasian battlefields w b allen paul muratoff , cambridge , 1953 19 partition turkey harry n howard , h fertig , new york , 1966 20 king crane commission harry n howard , beirut , 1963 21 united states policy partition turkey laurence evans , john hopkins university press , baltimore , 1965 22 british documents related turkish war independence gothard jaeschke 1 neside kerem demir , bir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiye'nin ermeni meselesi , hulbe basim yayin , ankara , 1982 \( ingilizce birinci baski 1980 , armenian question turkey \) 2 veysel eroglu , ermeni mezalimi , sebil yayinevi , istanbul , 1978 3 alper gazigiray , osmanlilardan gunumuze kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru'nun kaynaklari , gozen kitabevi , istanbul , 1982 4 dr kirzioglu fahrettin , kars ili cevresinde ermeni mezalimi , kardes matbaasi , ankara , 1970 c basbakanlik osmanli arsivi , babiali , istanbul \) yildiz esas evraki b \) yildiz perakende c \) irade defterleri \) cemaat gayr muslime defterleri e \) meclisi vukela mazbatalari f \) dahiliye nezareti , kalem mahsus dosyalari g \) dahiliye nezareti , sifre defterleri h \) babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar \) babiali evrak odasi muhimme kartonlari c disisleri bakanligi , hazine evrak , defterdarlik \) harb umumi b \) muteferrik kartonlar british archives \) parliamentary papers \( hansard \) commons lords b \) foreign office confidential print various collections c \) foreign office 424 239 253 turkey correspondence annual reports \) foreign office 608 e \) foreign office 371 , political intelligence general correspondence f \) foreign office 800 240 , ryan papers g \) foreign office 800 151 , curzon papers h \) foreign office 839 eastern conference lausanne 53 files india office records library , blackfriars road , london \) l political security 10 851 855 \( five boxes \) , turkey treaty peace 1918 1923 b \) l p 10 1031 , near east turkey greece lausanne conference , 1921 1923 c \) l p 11 154 \) l p 11 1031 french archives archives du ministere des affaires entrangeres , quai d'orsay , paris \) documents diplomatiques affaires armeniens 1895 1914 collections b \) guerre 1914 1918 turquie legion d'orient c \) levant , 1918 1929 armenie official publications , published documents , diplomatic correspondence , agreements , minutes others turkey \( ottoman empire republic turkey \) akarli , e \( ed \) belgelerle tanzimat , \( istanbul , 1978 \) \( gn kur , atase \) askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxi \( 81 \) , \( dec 1982 \) askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi , v xxxii \( 83 \) , \( dec 1983 \) hocaoglu , \( ed \) ittihad anasir osmaniye heyeti nizamnamesi , \( istanbul , 1912 \) meray , l \( trans ed \) lozan baris konferansi tutanaklar belgeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) , 2 vols meray , l olcay \( ed \) osmanli imparatorlugu'nun cokus belgeleri mondros birakismasi , sevr andlasmasi , ilgili belgeler , \( ankara , 1977 \) \( osmanli devleti , dahiliye nezareti \) aspirations et agissements revolutionnaires des comites armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la constitution ottomane , \( istanbul , 1917 \) ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra , \( istanbul , 1916 \) idare umumiye vilayet kanunu , \( istanbul , 1913 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v \( istanbul , 1914 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v ii \( istanbul , 1915 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iii \( istanbul , 1916 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iv \( istanbul , 1917 \) \( osmanli devleti , hariciye nezareti \) imtiyazat ecnebiyye'nin lagvindan dolayi memurine teblig olunacak talimatname , \( istanbul , 1915 \) \( osmanli devleti , harbiye nezareti \) islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat , \( istanbul , 1919 \) \( iv ordu \) aliye divan harbi orfisinde tedkik olunan mesele yi siyasiye hakkinda izahat , \( istanbul , 1916 \) turkozu , h k \( ed \) osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi , \( ankara , 1982 \) turkiye buyuk millet meclisi gizli celse zabitlari , \( ankara , 1985 \) , 4 vols russia adamof , e e \( ed \) sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyle anadolu'nun taksimi plani , \( tran h rahmi , ed h mutlucag \) , \( istanbul , 1972 \) altinay , r iki komite iki kital , \( istanbul , 1919 \) kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler , \( istanbul , 1919 \) turkiye 'de katolik propagandasi , turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi , v xiv 82 5 \( sept 1924 \) asaf muammer harb mesulleri , \( istanbul , 1918 \) akboy , c birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , v osmanli imparatorlugu'nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harbe girisi , \( gn kur , ankara , 1970 \) akgun , general harbord'un anadolu gezisi \( ermeni meselesi'ne dair \) raporu kurtulus savasi baslangicinda , \( istanbul , 1981 \) akin , turk devrim tarihi , \( istanbul , 1983 \) aksin , jon turkler ittihad terakki , \( istanbul , 1976 \) basar , z \( ed \) ermenilerden gorduklerimiz , \( ankara , 1974 \) ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) belen , f birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , \( ankara , 1964 \) deliorman , turklere karsi ermeni komitecileri , \( istanbul , 1980 \) ege , n n \( ed \) prens sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari , \( istanbul , 1977 \) ercikan , ermenilerin bizans osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri , \( ankara , 1949 \) gurun , k 'ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir \? ' , turk tarihinde ermeniler sempozyumu , \( izmir , 1983 \) hocaoglu , arsiv vesikalariyla tarihte ermeni mezalimi ermeniler , \( istanbul , 1976 \) karal , e osmanli tarihi , v v \( 1983 , 4th ed \) v vi \( 1976 , 2nd ed \) v vii \( 1977 , 2nd ed \) v viii \( 1983 , 2nd ed \) ankara kurat , osmanli imparatorlugu'nun paylasilmasi , \( ankara , 1976 \) orel , yuca ermenilerce talat pasa'ya atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu , \( ankara , 1983 \) also english translation ahmad , f young turks committee union progress turkish politics , \( oxford , 1969 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
hans meyer hmmeyer silver ucs indiana edu subject panasonic kx 24 pin printer organization indiana university lines 20 panasonic kx 24 pin dot matrix printer 320 cps 1 127 dot diameter 16 character lcd super quiet mode draft , letter quality , super letter quality fonts rear , bottom , front , top paper feeding \( friction tractor \) color compatible \( needs optional color kit \) includes windows 3 1 panasonic printer drivers disk bought jan '93 used little still original ribbon cartridge nice printer brand new dont use often enough need money 'll take 200 hans meyer
eric ithaca com \( eric wagner \) subject email address ithaca \( hoops \) \? organization ithaca software lines 12 ithaca technical support reached tech support ithaca com phone 510 523 5900 eric wagner pp asel ia ithaca software eric ithaca com oakland flyers
netcom com \( \) subject riceburner respect organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 21 article 1993apr18 microsoft com microsoft com \( chris \) writes generic bike riders actually seem raise hand entirely handlebar wave around , 's easy tell 're waving easily recognized special wave pay attention 'll tell hold left hand front , fingers straight apart like may also use right hand throttle lock stopped bring fingertips thumb together , touch , open back starting position , move hand slowly left gracefully waving motion squid underwater probably search food , drink , squids appropriate sexual orientation , squids go riding netcom com \( 408 \) 926 0812
vicente dgac fr \( martin vicente \( sid \) \) subject 3d input devices originator vicente keywords 3d , input , device organization c e n \( centre d'etudes de la navigation \) lines 11 hello , i'm interested devices could also send suggestions thank advance regards martin vicente \( e mail vicente dgac fr tph 69 84 56 88 \) centre d'etudes de la navigation div support informatique
ross loral cts com \( robert ross \) subject detecting saving geometry changes summary trying detect geometry changes window manager keywords geometry , mwm nntp posting host louie li loral com organization loral instrumentation distribution usa lines 35 hi , i'm trying get program monitor resize position events , program exits , save last known geometry sort file adding event handler xtaddeventhandler \( toplevel , , false , , \) works fine , callback called whenever window resized using window manager \( mwm \) however , i'm resizing window , using resize handle window manager resize decoration , x set zero xevent passed event handler callback i'm accessing structure , like x11 manual says \( xev x , xev \) width height correct reposition window , using window manager , xevent 's structure contains correct x , , width , height member settings q1 anybody know , resizing , x set zero \? q2 way handle detecting saving geometry changes \? 've tried using xtgetvalues \( \) toplevel widget exiting application \( destroying widgets \) get garbage values x , , width , height resources thanks bob ross \( ross li loral com \) mr plow , 's name name loral instrumentation , san diego , ca mr plow homer simpson
paller fedunix org \( alan paller \) subject teacher windows nt \? organization fedunix open systems conference board washington c lines 11 searching one two instructors tutorials advanced windows programming nt anyone attended course good , would really appreciate recommendations please email directly paller fedunix org n't get see newsgroups often enough thanks advance help alan paller tutorials director
narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply narain uiuc edu organization university illinois urbana lines 44 joachim martillo writes dope ! value mohammed elabdellaoui western university third worldist islamic brain rot made impossible acquire analyze facts appropriately yes , typical primitive muslim psychotic behavior upon hearing reading fact start whining jews jerk go back mindlessly stupid 3rd world country brain business civilized first world country joachim carlo santos martillo ajami substitute word jew jewish posting see word muslim islamic , switch joachim mohammed 's names around , repost , would get flood messages attacking author anti semite rightly author crap racist , pure simple obviously qualms open , either , unlike arab bashers net , one , going look joachim 's posting infer jews think way sure , might , view part judaism , stupid believe minds twisted however , muslims might look joachim 's flame reaffirmation worst fears jews hate arabs racists reason , alarmed jews net spoken joachim said chance possibly change anti semitic views people net , show jews hate arabs muslims , like muslims hate jews yet missing chance remember , many people , silence implies consent peace nizam arain makes universe \( 217 \) 384 4671 hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu nothing nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compare
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject larry king interview koresh 's lawyer organization stratus computer , inc lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com alt law enforcement article 1993apr20 msus1 msus edu , hayden krypton mankato msus edu \( robert hayden \) writes caught last 15 minutes show \( hope see repeats later \) , manage catch summary according koresh 's lawyer guy \( sure \) , davidians start fire apparently made several attempts escaping blocked smoke , fire , fbi tanks states interviews 9 davidians escaped indicated suicide pact fire set fbi \( got impression , sure \) something whole mess n't smell right n't feb 28th n't robert hayden black holes result god dividing universe zero hayden krypton mankato msus edu slc4 ins cwru edu include std disclaimer h cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
david pop \( david e smyth \) subject r5 table widget causing trouble xtquerygeometry nntp posting host pop organization jet propulsion laboratory \( nasa \) lines 102 got bug report fix exact problem fisher iscp bellcore com \( greg fisher \) serious problem identified incorporated problem occurs table widget 's invoked child work correctly table widgets parent complies xt protocols however , , case motif widgets , ignore , sizing incorrect order see problem , following events must happen 1 child table widget must request new size 2 table widget must query parent new size set 3 parent must ignore bit resize table widget part resize , called set tw table current cols tw table current rows zero 4 table continue setting new size , working assumption working proposed actual layout end , call save tw table cols tw table rows restore values tw table current cols tw table current rows however , already set zero 5 since table widget already resized , need second resize 6 next , another widget managed ancestor table resized results parent table requesting tables preferred size since tw table cols tw table rows zero , return 0x0 preferred size 7 parent likely grant request , resulting loss whole table display isolated problem proposed workaround seems precisely correct new implementation released next update 5 weeks table c void \( tw \) tw \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) query , resize since made query , still need continue however , motif broken actually may already resized case , proposed layout already forgotten , quietly exit \( tw table resize status \) \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) else resize already done proposed layout would forgotten process fix identical , except course names xp table c void \( tw \) tw \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) query , resize since made query , still need continue however , manager widgets broken actually may already resized case , proposed layout already forgotten , quietly exit \( tw table resize status \) \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) \( tw \) else resize already done proposed layout would forgotten process david smyth david jpl devvax jpl nasa gov senior software engineer , \( 818 \) 306 \( use v mail yet ! \) , x object guru office 525 jet propulsion lab , 525 3660 4800 oak grove drive , pasadena , ca 91109 sun windows thingy , 's called \? know , really awful x \? motif \? 's motif ! yuck !
subject electronic design mag martin vuille synapse org \( martin vuille \) distribution world organization synapse inc \( \) 246 lines 10 newsgroup sci electronics martin vuille synapse org subject electronic design anyone know telephone number circulation department magazine \? mv olx 2 1 td , 04 22 93 9 35 pm
melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization computer science department , university new mexico lines 34 article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word satya prabhakar muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement last time heard , nazis prided needing body carry politics ideologies statment true , n't think israel would used point muslim neighbor \( palestine \) could allowed \? jewish lobby power strong , said true , would heard could come dare say taking sides ! ! mohammed
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject tv coverage nhl blame ! organization university pittsburgh lines 46 article 1993apr23 ns1 cc lehigh edu ns1 cc lehigh edu \( steven jay \) writes mario michael jordan hockey fall ice closet guy gets least 2 last night 3rd game nj pitt , pushed skating across front goal trying get shot guy good job , got weak shot , decided fall ice fucking ref \( van \? \) called guy holding replayed play , roomate \( clueless hockey \) wanted know nj guy get call , fucking obvious nj player hands stick , , trip simple , mario gets touched , falls ice , automatic 2 thing really pissed , pitt scored 3rd 4th goal , n't remember , resulting pp eventually 4 3 diving calls makes huge difference outcome game agreeing disagreeing replies welcomed steve must watching two different games devil one hand mario 's elbow pulling elbow caused mario fall call appropriate using clueless people substantiate claims n't give lot confidence call either next time consider getting second opinion observer maybe available disagreed joseph stiehm
autry sgi com \( larry autry \) subject immaculate conception organization silicon graphics , st louis , mo lines 26 article may 14 02 11 19 1993 athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes article may 9 05 39 52 1993 athos rutgers edu jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) writes referring mary immaculately conceived , never subject original sin , also never committed personal sin whole life possible special degree grace granted god skipping n't particularly object idea assumption , perpetual virginity \( regard catholic dogma agree disagree catholic brothers sisters christ \) , even believe virgin birth jesus , concept mary 's sinlessness seems odds rest christian doctrine understand catholic church entirely different view mary christian churches \( parallel beliefs notwithstanding \) christ , accounts , sinless person ever live , trouble sinless mary concept related issue original sin adam eve answer one children answer sins , certainly answer mine larry autry silicon graphics , st louis autry sgi com
cs173sbw sdcc5 ucsd edu \( cs173sbw \) subject real 3d organization university california , san diego lines 11 nntp posting host sdcc5 ucsd edu heard friend return nab las vegas confirm releasing windows version real 3d 2 0 summer told rendering speed dx50 n't fast a4000 however , also told switching microsoft c gain speed people looking powerful 3d animation software pc wait n't long real 3d 2 0 absolutely powerful flexible 3d package sells less 1000 p heard indigo version also development
tmavor earthview cms udel edu \( tim gun hire \) subject espn nntp posting host pandora cms udel edu reply tmavor earthview cms udel edu organization marine studies , university delaware lines 24 various justifiable rantings espn coverage several deleted way change espn 's thinking , even possible , complain directly anyone know telephone bristol , ct \? find hard believe espn n't think viewers simply change channel boring game know , n't show nyi wash overtime \( \) , ! wanted watch baseball , could turned phillies padres extra inning game instead , went bed angry espn 's morning sportscenter today , still incensed wife says n't go bed angry , last nite ! tim known many names college marine studies call tim univ delaware newark , de know much hidden , o' tim ! tmavor pandora cms udel edu monty python holy grail
p4 cs man ac uk \( david hancock \) subject panasonic kp x truetype 's going \? keywords computer system organization dept computer science , university manchester , u k lines 22 added panasonic kp dot matrix printer 386sx 25 installed appropriate windows 3 1 printer driver \( e one specifically printer \) i'm unable persuade thing print correctly appears happening truetype fonts n't get printed properly experiments show graphic images \( example line drawing corel draw \) print ok windows happily prints gifs etc ms notepad ms write print correctly providing font 's text printer fonts print truetype fonts , lines appear printed wrong order change text font printer font , problem eliminated tried using printer drivers printers kx \( name \) emulates , namely lq 850 ibm proprinter problem occurs kind soul tell hell going , would david h
mayne pipe cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) subject christian morality organization florida state university computer science department reply mayne cs fsu edu lines 21 article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love old bullshit given delusions wishful thinking option either loving obeying reason believe responsibility love god take step toward promises , look doubt dispute givin sincere effort bullshit assure misguided youth made sincere effort painful rational person raised christian home many others could tell story choose believe anyone 's experience contradicts smug theories bill mayne
gary concave cs wits ac za \( gary taylor \) subject umbilical hernia organization wits university electrical engineering lines 9 could anyone give information umbilical hernias patient weight protruding hernia surgery may risky due obesity remedies could try \? thanx advance dr gary taylor
ash sumex aim stanford edu \( david ash \) subject theory david koresh originator dash xenon stanford edu organization computer science department , stanford university lines 15 theory koresh seriously wounded initial died day 9 siege day 11 siege rose dead periodically appeared followers fbi next 40 days living someone 's risen dead n't easy , 's father pet could attest , 40 days shot burned place ground consistent facts , n't \? anyone actually see koresh day 9 day 11 \? david w ash profits man keeps eternal soul ash sumex aim stanford edu could lived life full home \( 415 \) 853 forgiven end anyway \? david merritt , k red shark
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject fortune guzzler barred bars ! organization summary god needs lines 17 article 1993apr21 bnr ca , npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) writes charles parr , tue , 20 apr 93 21 25 10 gmt wibbled article 1993apr19 4057 bnr ca npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) writes satan rode bike \( \? \) would stop help \? true motorcyclist real riding attitude probably aware , sure fire rec moto test attribute god would ride vincent white lightning injection 'd wear one piece leather suit matching boots , helmet gloves \? think \( \) 's worried road rash \? \) chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) subject ap journalists arrested waco organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va lines 65 reply jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov nntp posting host ab20 larc nasa gov reply goykhman apollo hp com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 19 25 40 gmt article apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes article jason ab20 larc nasa gov jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov writes article calvin nyu edu nyu edu \( \) writes still doubt going , still ap wire two journalists houston arrested gun point jailed taking pictures compound today later released bail , cameras film confiscated jh could work cnn take lines story imply something n't say really mean police always close area around major crime scene keep evidence disturbed taking pictures \? leave foot prints , may drop trash ground , may pick something looks interesting , misdemeanor enter closed area one photographers also quickly spun around long lens camera officer approaching , good way get shot well , \( hopefully \) depends country one nothing country coming toward someone area violent , one guy spins around quickly object looks like gun police trained stand let someone gun also indication story would n't get cameras film back getting jail goverment agents opportunity check film 're making statements supported facts n't let paranoia get best wait see reporters n't get film back get back developed screaming conspiracy think barry said goverment big enough give everything big enough take everything life freedom including course , could happen , could \? government big enough give everything , despite efforts people like bill clinton taking statement like thinking done name law enforcement simple minded ignorant history government necessary evil , must decide allowed based facts , history , baseless claims jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject dividians black \? nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 17 article 1993apr9 medtronic com medtronic com \( robert \) writes kenneth whitehead \( kdw icd ab com \) wrote cbnewsh cb att com \( brian leary \) writes questions media politically correct people compound black guys ninja suits davidians black next question \?
roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us subject sumatripton \( spelling \? \) keywords migraine reply roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us lines 19 recently heard testing new migraine drug called sumatripton \( idea actual spelling \) supposedly utilizes chemical trips neuro transmitters mother regular migraines nothing seems help anyone know anything new drug \? testing anywhere near approval \? seem working \? information would help please feel free e mail rather take bandwidth prefer thanks advance , roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us virtue relative term
jeff smoggy gg caltech edu \( jeff \) subject juggling dodgers organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 44 distribution nntp posting host smoggy gg caltech edu netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes true \( note n't think \) , lasorda fired least two reasons 1 \) publicly humiliating players 2 \) knuckling players wishes fine line getting players' input knuckling players' demands manager , much like military officer , needs \( \) players' complete obedience respect game game , 's big deal , time react , players must trust manager team often falls apart \( see boston red sox , ff \) \) strawberry 's represented media , often sounds like demands suspect comment like enjoy hitting fourth i'm used would get pretty brutally misinterpreted media came strawberry russ porter quoted strawberry saying , feel comfortable hitting cleanup think perform best role \( paraphrased memory bias \) seems like fairly non petulant answer almost certainly question like , feel moved third spot order \? media sensitive player might answer manager knows thinks batting third help team , 'd ignore answer brown stuff , seems little bit overreaction brand darryl 's response petulant personally , think argument nonsense really n't matter much order 2 5 players order batted , except personal stats darryl , 'd probably answer question , number four spot gets rbi opportunities get paid rbis think best bat fourth , willing hit third tommy thinks benefit team something like would helpful salary time rbis hitting third make sound like team player since strawberry likely go arbitration , use free agent market next contract , maybe argument useless , would help image media without appearing totally content free remember , media belief one 's best rbi man hit fourth , argument sensible , regardless whether true jeff
kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) subject mattingly organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 15 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu add vein , consider range first baseman important thing imo best fielder bad throws seen scoop balls dirt , catch balls large bounce , take balls head , wide , etc ad infinitum gets , much time things save errors amazing give mattingly credit able keeping foot near bag \( yes , sure gets calls mattingly \) keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! corner let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! weighing almost every weight imaginable life , surrounds blues traveler , 1993
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject gulf war selling arms organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 32 jbrown batman bmd trw com writes mathew , agree , seems , crux whole position , n't \? us n't supported hussein sold arms fight iran \? agree agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein , 's done deal invades kuwait sit back say , well , sold arms , suppose wants use bad kuwait , unfortunately , sitting back letting things way correct former mistake destroying hussein 's military potential right move agree statement , reagan bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein 's still happening 's entire point last month , john major great victory personally secured sale arms saudi arabia month , sold jet fighters indonesian government 's busy killing east 's well say oops , made boo boo , better clean mistake , us uk keep making mistake often ca n't believe 's deliberate suspicion reinforced fact mistake extremely profitable one economy reliant arms sales 's really gulf war abhor much , u 's west 's selling arms hussein ultimately made war inevitable , right \? , thought terrible mathew
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject saudi clergy condemns debut human rights group ! keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues , politics nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 34 looks like ben baz 's mind heart also blind , eyes used respect , today lost minimal amount respect struggled keep muslim netters guy gave fatwah saudi arabia used united attack iraq fatwah legitimate one kind clergy , might islamic duty separate religion politics , religion means official clergy cairo , egypt \( upi \) cairo based arab organization human rights \( aohr \) thursday welcomed last week committee defense legal rights saudi arabia said necessary groups operating arab countries london based saudi owned al al daily newspaper reported thursday dispatch riyadh higher council ulema \( muslim scholars \) wednesday unanimously proclaimed formation group illegitimate unacceptable statement issued saudi capital , council , saudi arabia 's highest religious authority , said proclaims illegitimate creation committee endorsing kingdom saudi arabia guided god 's \( law \) islamic courts widespread nationwide '' statement said one kingdom prevented taking grievances courts concerned authorities ``the authors bulletin \( announcing founding committee \) well aware '' council 21 senior , ended session tuesday sheikh abdel aziz ben baz , warned formation group consequences , '' elaborate declarations treaties protecting human rights , concerning discrimination women
jim n5ial mythical com \( jim graham \) subject modems uarts keywords modem , uart organization , \? \? \? must joking lines 26 article 1993apr20 ncsu edu eos ncsu edu \( ryan jeffrey \) writes couple questions 1 \) 16550 uart \? see response comp dcom modems answers btw , next time , must cross post groups , cross post instead posting multiple copies way , one copy article must transmitted network , one copy stored people 's disks \( except case brain damaged news software \) jim include std disclaimer h 73 de n5ial \( 4 \) internet jim n5ial mythical com j graham ieee org icbm 30 23n 86 32w amateur radio n5ial w4zbb \( ft walton beach , fl \) amtor selcal nial e mail information kamterm \( host mode kantronics tncs \)
trumpet calpoly edu \( papa \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 15 article 1993apr18 bmug org david schnider bmug org writes real question opinion motorola processors running system 7 mac comparable intel processors running windows pc \? recall conversation 486 25 running windows benchmarks speed 25mhz 030 system 7 n't know true , would love hear anyone technical data david seems right mac iisi 5 130 64k cache card running system 7 1 roommate 486sx 25 5 200 running windows 3 1 've seen , iisi faster operations others , comparable keep mind i'm strictly speaking operations desktop level windows 3 1 system 7 1 , actual computational speed programs
mechanical watstar uwaterloo ca \( stefan \) subject wanted police officers answer posting lines 15 organization university waterloo one little thing last year , mid december , cop pulled 10 , started snowing \( k right , live canada \) cop checked license , insurance , ownership , looked frozen nose fingers , told watch speed limit closely , , entering cruiser , told , 68 instead 50 km h n't ticket , really slowed \( already mentioned started snow \) safe riding , stefan stefan german exchange student come honda , get running
subject tempest pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu 1993apr27 random ccs northeastern edu distribution na organization computer science dept university auckland lines 12 1993apr27 random ccs northeastern edu rogue ccs northeastern edu \( free radical \) writes anyone attended attest , pick information video chip 's surprisingly easy guy portable tv , minor mods worked 3 feet , demonstration convention santa claus \? please elaborate , minds \( second third left \) want know peter
pwb aerg canberra edu au \( paul blackman \) subject workspace managers win 3 1 locations organization university canberra lines 62 article 1993apr27 906 bert eecs uic edu write cah tactix rain com \( chris huey \) writes jamie scuglia \( jamie zikzak apana org au \) wrote thanks people recommended workspace managers windows 3 1 found 3 shareware workspace managers , australia 's ms windows archive \( monu6 cc monash edu au \) , mirrors sites u three found 1 workspaces 1 10 \( wspace zip \) review deleted 2 workshift 1 6 \( wrksft16 zip \) review deleted 3 bigdesk 2 30 backmenu \( backdesk zip \) review deleted really appreciate information however , given n't direct internet access means n't archie access must resort using ftpmail means need site name directory workspace managers located backdesk zip cica , i'm sure whole directory another throw running cica , i'm sure complicated backdesk , 've found stable usefull recomend people already used virtual desktop oh yeh , 's free copyright microsoft sanford carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu ok usefull applications locations cica mirrors desktop directory wrksft16 zip graphical virtual desktop \( ver 1 6 \) \( email author version 2 0 \) zip desktop tools windows 3 x \( backmenu 2 4 bigdesk later version backdesk \) zip virtual windows windows \? \? \? \? finder zip \? \? \? \? \? \? \? mac finder clone windows \( works well backmenu \) also look 2 0 due soon allows button bars added almost application paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au water research centre , pwb aerg canberra edu au faculty applied science \( \) university canberra , australia spend little love get high lenny
ct exploit \( danny \) subject ftp achive usgs terrain dat organization sun microsystems , inc lines 2 distribution world reply ct exploit nntp posting host sim es com try spectrum xerox com 192 70 225 78 pub map dem
dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) subject flash leds sound \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 29 nntp posting host cs utexas edu i'm looking circuit flash led response output walkman cassette player could \? n't want turn , want speak , per every beep put cassette tape would better use circuit based volume beeps cassette , better leds respond tone certain frequency \? easy way either \? i'm looking simplest circuit possible guess i'm asking sort color organ , quite let explain i'm going pattern beats \( beeps \) cassette tape tape 'd hear beep ! \( pause \) beep ! \( pause \) beep ! \( pause \) etc , speed increasing time goes want led \( probably two \) beeps cassette tape led , beep , would go real quick , generating strobe light sort effect beeps tape would turn effect blinking leds sound tape \( except background \) , leds would remain please help ! thanks , dana
ed wente llnl gov \( ed suranyi \) subject waco burnout organization uc davis dept applied science llnl lines 14 nntp posting host wente llnl gov article 1993apr19 hemlock cray com rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) writes authorities saying branch davidian members seen starting fire looks like witnesses dispute claim fbi says survivors claim seen leaders cult talking setting fire , kerosene assume come trial occurs result events ed ed wente llnl gov
richard cs arizona edu \( richard j \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 6 see across evening sky space rent
nicho vnet ibm com \( greg stewart nicholls \) subject death taxes \( give 1 billion reply nicho vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , ibm news software ureply 3 1 x x nicho vnet ibm com 1993apr27 439 bby com au lines 11 1993apr27 439 bby com au gregory n bond writes would n't even begin expect australia , n't corruption like wanna bet \? \? \? must young remember bob \) read commision report want know corruption oz greg nicholls vidi nicho vnet ibm com vici nicho olympus demon co uk veni
arrl org \( zack lau \) subject circuit boards green \? organization american radio relay league lines 64 sci electronics , swanee megadata mega oz au \( geoff swan \) writes rubbish reason colour boards depends solder may 1993 cover qst picture three different boards without solder mask \( tell copper colored traces \) box labeled brown teflon glass board , one center board exposed left fiberglass board looks green see reason putting solder mask circuit board used box covers \) wonder manufacturer actually puts solder mask low noise microwave \? often , microwave circuits odd bits wire foil metal attached wherever whatever necessary make unit work properly \( commercial product \? \) solder mask would certainly make tougher , never mind finding something minimally degrades circuits \( q dope coils improve q holds things together minimal loss \) zack lau 1 internet arrl org working 24 ghz ssb cw gear operating interests 10 ghz cw ssb fm us mail c arrl lab 80 40 20 cw 225 main street station capability qrp , 1 8 mhz 10 ghz newington ct modes cw ssb fm packet amtor phone \( really \) 203 666 1541 zack lau 1 internet arrl org working 24 ghz ssb cw gear operating interests 10 ghz cw ssb fm us mail c arrl lab 80 40 20 cw 225 main street station capability qrp , 1 8 mhz 10 ghz newington ct modes cw ssb fm packet amtor phone \( really \) 203 666 1541 mask used older boards \( bakelite phenolic \) rarely used solder mask \( boards suited well automatic stuffing soldering techniques \) hence colour compound used make days boards made fibreglass general purpose uses solder mask applied prevent close traces shorting one another soldering \( also prevent decomposition traces harsh environments \) light dark green boards seen dry film mask applied \( usually applied complete film produced \) blue \( red orange \) boards two part epoxy liquid resist formulation applied different manner 's lot info pro 's con 's , 's another story sla n go fo ill , risky b geoff swan \( research development \) swanee mega com au megadata pty ltd 2 37 waterloo rd , north ryde , 61 2 805 nsw 2113 , australia v \( fax \) 61 2 887 4847
goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard company , chelmsford , lines 34 article 1993may12 iastate edu jakhan iastate edu \( javed ahmed khan \) writes article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu , prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word dont think 're correct reports bosnians muslims supporting nazis genocide serbians fact croat govt using secret police \( called ustache , think \) prime agents nazis yugoslavia serbs 13th ss divison , made bosnian muslim volunteers , quite job former yugoslavia wwii folks 60 's 70 's makes wonder many occupy positions power bosnia 's goverment
subject religion cause \( islamic authority women \) ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \( scott sauyet \) distribution world nntp posting host wesleyan edu x news reader vms news 1 20in reply bil okcforum osrhe edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 00 36 52 gmtlines 55 lines 55 bill conner \( bil okcforum osrhe edu \) writes stuff deleted n't make outrageous claims religion 's affecting history , , point many claims made wrong nothing validate atheism bill , seem erroneously assumed board sole purpose validation atheism n't board used discuss atheism philosophy , share experiences regarding atheism , debunk various theisms theism whole , share resources relating atheism , even others similar views course number theists come preach , also used argue case atheism time made statement religion sole cause anything , done point make kind claim mistaken , usually deliberately want accuse people lying , please directly phrase deliberately mistaken rather oxymoronic credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature , function religion course , history believe distort history way know exaclty 're , affect two forms theism often discussed days christianity islam claim make followers good people , claim much benefit humanity accomplished faiths imho right american friends service committee \( \) , catholic relief services , bread world , salvation army soup , mother spring mind \( someone knowledge islam supply names islamic groups \? \) mother claims work outgrowth christianity , believe form theism deity benevolence toward humanity would wrong care need point philosophy power change behavior individuals widespread enough , change societies works horrors history claim christianity little crusades inquisition deny awesome power comes faith absolute seems twisting reasonable statement religion never solitary cause evil unreasonable statement religion evil impacts history absurd scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu
madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) subject nicknames organization society putting things top things lines 18 cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) writes somebody forgotten nickname tan chade meng \( chinese nicknames front \) unenlightened one thought nickname unenlightened maddi hausmann madhaus netcom com centigram communications corp san jose california 408 428 3553 kids , please n't try home remember , post professionally
dvb ick \( david van beveren \) subject red wings organization sunsoft inc , los angeles , ca lines 18 nntp posting host ick x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 f1hh unb ca \( patrick walker \) writes detroit 's going beat toronto 6 less ! ! ! granted , gilmour get hart trophy , lemieux look gilmour toronto think toronto , comes mind , gilmour , andreychuk , potvin ah n gilmour \? think nhl , comes mind \? gilmour \? gretzky \? mario \? ah mention mario \? said gretzky , n't really following along , said gilmour , true maynard n't even think selection hart deserves serious discussion group dvb
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject trivia question nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 20 article acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) writes tuttle longer blues , n't know possibly ihl , 'd best ask blues fan steve tuttle traded blues tb start season along pat jablonski , future considerations played milwaukee ihl , got traded tb que along michel 's currently playing halifax ahl \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
sunee uwaterloo ca \( bernie \) subject optimizing projections organization university waterloo lines 31 article names nerdc ufl edu lioness ufcc ufl edu writes three library lot projections \( duh \) , currently projecting object 's vertices per triangle basis grossly inefficient 99 objects displayed \( optimized projections one time , vertex \) , objects whose z intersect plane ca n't benefit new vertices must created z clipping anyone better ideas \? yes 's keep vertices array , polygons \( triangles okay , n sided polygons slightly efficient \) store indices array vertices comprise set flag vertex transform , n't transform vertex also elimination processing polygon , vertices belong n't transformed whenever transform vertex , check 's far side plane , project right away store result z clip vertices get produced projection done stage bernie university waterloo dept electrical computer engineering mail sunee uwaterloo ca voice \( 519 \) 885 1211 x work
thomas stanford edu \( thomas \) subject german audience lunatic \? \? organization stanford university lines 57 article 1993apr21 ousrvr oulu fi , golf phoenix oulu fi \( jouko kylmaoja \) wrote watched game germany czechs wc today astonished behaviour german audience ! german team got penalties last period crowd went ! threw coins , extra pucks trash rink stupid \? \? guess canadian referee \( one bros \) gave german team penalty , n't help much guess germans proud nazi kill 'em everyone us germans sucks attitude seem kind attitude every possible sport \( remember european champs stockholm soccer \) really pisses ! mean every single german attitude sucks , seem understand anger german audience mean , finnish team played taking advantage ridiculous penalties ref called last period germans got match penalty 10 minutes misconduct practically nothing seconds german goalie got two minutes delay game shot deflected went crowd resulting 5 3 skating advantage lead deciding goal point , germans starting come strong also sick nationalism going german sports events watch example tennis davis cup match players often able play minutes , crowd obnoxious admit kind nationalism strong even stronger countries \( go us watch way present olympics television soccer crowds england finnish spectators nordic skiing events \) mean makes sick see nationalism world would rather see best team player win get mind favorite team somebody better plays attractive admit sports german national site favorite team watch \( german soccer team boring watch , example \) , reading posting , think level crowds criticizing easy talk \( nearly \) germans nazis nationalists thats kind propaganda people use germany true great danger arising nationalism germany experience people \( least people know \) also regard big threat trying demonstrate attitude ca n't look people human try put drawers corresponding nationality \( eg russians communists americans capitalists germans nazis , hanging around beeing drunk \) opinion , comment shows narrowness mind n't seem different nazis talking thomas 's time hate , barely time wait \( jerry garcia robert hunter \)
whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) subject batf fbi revenge keywords batf fbi korash child abuse guns murder control nntp posting host lonestar utsa edu organization university texas san antonio lines 27 article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes already called senators , legislators governor demanding warrants unsealed , involved atrocity \( including president , attorney general governor \) suspended pending investigation welcome amerika ! let 's see first , want everybody president suspended pending investigation , refer amerika \? guess remembered take irony supplements morning , eh \? sigh standard procedure suspend law enforcement officers , assign administrative \( non enforcement \) duties , investigation possible misconduct going administration given indication occur case given president , attorney general governor involved decisions led waco massacre , also suspend activities regarding law enforcement given positions , equates enforced vacation remember waco ! government decide murder next \? maybe \? opinions mine n't care blame university state
lihan ccwf cc utexas edu \( bruce g bostwick \) subject subliminal message flashing tv organization university texas austin , austin tx lines 25 distribution usa nntp posting host doc cc utexas edu article 293 kc2wz bubble org bob kc2wz bubble org \( bob \) writes logic camp clarkson edu \( rich \) says hi research subliminal suggestion psychology paper , read one researcher flashed hidden messages tv screen 1 200ths second possible \? thought take look alt folklore urban thread subliminal messages tv fact subliminal messages n't work aside , image ca n't flashed tv screen fast enough noticed well , yes image ca n't screen less 1 30 second , mixture images 's 90 field supposed 10 addition could overlaid one field , producing overall effect sluggish discrete image projected 1 300 second although , like previous poster , reserve doubts effectiveness said discrete image steering around bgb lihan ccwf cc utexas edu reason world n't \( really bruce bostwick \) dissolved total chaos great state texas murphy 's law also applies murphy
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject organization portal system \( tm \) lines 18 first , i'm mistaken , animals brown fat , humans secondly , description sounds like 2 , 4 respiratory chain oxidative put layman 's terms , short circuits , causing food energy turned heat 2 , 4 popular 1930 's weight reduction controlled amounts , raises body temperature body reduced amount useful energy available dangerous would wiser adjust present body form , rather play around 2 , 4 insist , suggest look literature university library obtain 2 , 4 taking first year organic chemistry lab course supplies \( 's commonly used \)
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject write clinton organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com 've reading sci crypt , alt privacy clipper comp org eff talk discussions clipper chip find \( usual \) us think alike 's lot messages sent clinton well net \( instead net \) , might actually effect 0005895485 mcimail com \( white house \) disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 26 article access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable , may thus indirectly contributed array problems design solar arrays detachable shuttle going retunr hst , bother arrays fit quick release n't think bi stem design used much retrieval ability launch tight \( size \) sts envelope guess , based similar designs flown large sts launched c \( gro , uars \) also , might consideration given mass requirements \( bi stems weight less conventional \) finally , hst arrays ability detached remember , 're going replaced new arrays however , acs guy 's seen branch management pull collective hair hst , would voice hearty using conventional arrays bi stems , whenever possible half hertz flexible modes , thermal snap , problem david w gsfc
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject waco burning organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 17 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) says reports survivor waco massacre states tank , making hole wall building , knocked kerosene lamp fire started attempts made people inside put fire , spread quickly pretty much koresh 's lawyers told remaining survivors larry king live addition , parts unsealed warrant mentioned surely sounds batf violation day one
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject wc 93 scores standings , april 22 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden lines 72 1993 world championships germany group standings \( munich \) group b standings \( dortmund \) gp w l gf ga p gp w l gf ga p canada 3 3 0 0 17 1 16 6 czech republic 3 2 1 0 8 1 7 5 russia 3 2 1 0 12 4 8 5 finland 3 2 1 0 5 1 4 5 sweden 3 2 0 1 8 6 2 4 usa 3 1 2 0 8 3 5 4 italy 3 1 1 1 5 8 3 3 germany 3 2 0 1 11 8 3 4 switzerland 3 0 0 3 0 9 9 0 france 3 0 0 3 4 13 9 0 austria 3 0 0 3 2 16 14 0 norway 3 0 0 3 0 10 10 0 april 18 italy russia 2 2 norway germany 0 6 sweden austria 1 0 usa czech republic 1 1 april 19 canada switzerland 2 0 russia austria 4 2 finland france 2 0 april 20 sweden canada 1 4 czech republic germany 5 0 switzerland italy 0 1 finland usa 1 1 april 21 germany france 5 3 italy sweden 2 6 czech republic norway 2 0 april 22 switzerland russia 0 6 usa france 6 1 austria canada 0 11 norway finland 0 2 april 23 switzerland austria germany finland 20 00 april 24 russia sweden czech republic france 15 30 canada italy usa norway 20 00 april 25 sweden switzerland finland czech republic 15 30 russia canada germany usa 20 00 april 26 austria italy france norway 20 00 playoffs april 27 quarterfinals 2 b 3 15 30 3 b 2 20 00 april 28 quarterfinals 1 b 4 15 30 4 b 1 20 00 april 29 relegation 5 b 6 15 30 6 b 5 20 00 april 30 semifinals 1 b 4 3 b 2 15 30 4 b 1 2 b 3 20 00 may 1 relegation 14 30 bronze medal game 19 00 may 2 final 15 00 \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
draper gnd1 wtp gtefsd com \( pam draper \) subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? organization gte government systems , federal systems division , , va lines 15 distribution world reply draper gnd1 wtp gtefsd com nntp posting host gnd1 wtp gtefsd com news software vax vms vnews 1 3 4 article 93115 asuacad bitnet , asuacad bitnet writes might look allergy doctor area uses drops instead shots treatment \( given small bottle antigens 3 drops placed tongue 5 minutes \) homeopathic remedies tried one month 15 drops three times day n't notice change whats ever long using drops noticed difference \? treatment expensive insurance cover medicine
acsddc umassd edu subject usa today ftp site reply acsddc umassd edu organization umass dartmouth , dartmouth , lines 13 article cc swarthmore edu , cc swarthmore edu \( robert brooks \) writes tudelft nl \( k p hart \) writes sometime ago someone mentioned ftp site run usa today give scores last night 's games kind soul e mail address \? please thanks anyone knows site could please send also thanks dan acsddc umassd edu
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject genesis sega cd games forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 27 sega genesis sega cd forsale recently moved friends genesis cd player i'm selling whole setup 'd like sell everything together package come sega genesis sega cd 2 joysticks 1 pad sewer shark \( cd \) sol \( cd \) sega classics \( cd \) \( 5 games 1 cd \) streets rage revenge columns golden axe sherlock holmes \( cd \) cd g music graphics sampler john madden \( cart \) i'm selling 325 plus 'll split shipping n't want sell things seperately please reply jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
rmalayte grumpy helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) subject geosphere image organization university notre dame , notre dame lines 29 article 31 alt graphics newsgroups alt graphics path news nd edu ! moliere ! rmalayte rmalayte moliere helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) subject geosphere images via ftp \? message id 1993apr26 news nd edu sender news news nd edu \( usenet news system \) organization university notre dame , notre dame date mon , 26 apr 1993 21 36 48 gmt anyone know digitized version geosphere image available via ftp \? n't know , composite photograph entire earth , removed think 's really cool created government funds sattelites research project , would assume 's public domain thanks info , ryan college men get smashed break something , college women get smashed get broken robin wilson president , ryan p malayter chico state university 332 stanford hall notre dame , 46556 n dept physics comp sci malayter nd edu
arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clements \) subject ap rifles \? organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 10 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu keywords waco , branch davidians read clari article , among weapons bd , two barrett 50 caliber armor piercing rifles hell use armor piercing rifle \? run tank try stab \? , ignorance amongst media aaron arc cco caltech edu
mock watt support corp sun com \( joseph \) subject dual sport recomendations organization sun microsystems inc lines 15 distribution rec nntp posting host watt corp sun com looking buying dual sport type motorcycle first cycle well interested experiences people following motorcycles , good bad honda suzuki suzuki yamaha xt350 xxx vs articles seen magazines pit honda another cycle , 650 always comes shining safe assume 250 would equal quality \? thanks joe
mark cs msstate edu \( mark \) subject dos 4 0 dos 5 0 need new mouse driver \? nntp posting host walt cs msstate edu reply mark cs msstate edu organization mississippi state univ , cs dept lines 15 recently installed dos 5 0 machines , users claim use mouse often , screen blank , machine lock viruses , running tsr 's \( mouse 2 button \) anybody got ideas \? thanks mark mark cs msstate edu
durban berkeley edu \( david cruz uribe \) subject st maria goretti organization u c berkeley math department lines 14 reading story st maria goretti \( posted two weeks ago \) , bit confused clear daily life one sanctity , afraid n't quite understand final episode life reading correctly , \( church apparently \) felt raped sin part , one would rather die commit case i'm afraid disagree rather strongly anyone explain one \? christ , david cruz uribe ,
sch ge com \( scott van \) subject hook mac modem ps 2 70 nntp posting host 3 10 7 20 organization industrial power systems anyone ever hooked hayes 2400 macintosh modem serial port pc \? pin outs \? mac printer cable hook db 25 mac serial port hook two mini 8 ports together \? swap pins \? thanx advance scott
af774 cleveland freenet edu \( chad cipiti \) subject 3d shark \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 15 reply af774 cleveland freenet edu \( chad cipiti \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hi i'm looking 3d shark use ray tracing i'm 'll using vivid pov , format ftp sites 3d objects anyone good 3d shark \? thanks alot ! chad new 1993 sea world ohio chad cipiti shark cipiti bobcat ent ohiou edu encounter make contact af774 cleveland freenet edu
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject wanted uk bmw tips nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 35 , wed , 21 apr 1993 17 11 39 gmt wibbled hi , i'm market buying bmw ideal would r80 rs 'd interested r80 sale age problem i'm interested good example without massive amount miles one well maintained intend keep well time would also like know anyone sound advice regards insurance old , licence 9 years , accidents claims convictions old enough get bmw owners club insurance yet wait next year \? ian future beemer owner best advice would contact local dealer \( see yellow pages motorcycle dealers \) ask address local section bmw owners club local bmw dealer give details bmw insurance terms club help details getting bike dealer best bet , afford warranty fairly handy bm bits made solid gold , apart parts made platinum apparently nick \( broke bmw biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \(
palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) subject gamma ray bursters positional stuff organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 38 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes article 1993apr29 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes actually , advisor , another classmate mine , talking day putting one detector one pluto satellites realized satellite alone carrying something like 200 pounds eq well , batse detector needs lead shielding protect , 1 alone weighs 200 pounds actually , situation even worse total mass pluto fast flyby spacecraft pounds , support equipment like power communications mass available instruments maybe 10 n't think batse fit pluto fast flyby instrument definition research , instrument payload constraints mass allocation 7 kilograms \( 15 4 lbs \) power allocation 6 watts required instruments visible imaging system \( 1024x1024 ccd , 750 mm fl , f 10 optics \) ir mapping spectrometer \( array , 0 3 energy resolution \) uv spectrometer \( 55 200 nm , 0 5 nm resolution \) radio science \( oscilator incorporated telecom system \) means 10 14 n't leave much room payloads totally unrelated mission spacecraft addition , power come thermal generator , whole space craft 2 feet diameter , booms , means strong gamma lines pu 239 associated background , tends reduce sensitivity somewhat would still nice , group goddard looking david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov
ferguson cs rochester edu \( george ferguson \) subject 's rochester \? \? \? reply ferguson cs rochester edu \( george ferguson \) organization university rochester hockey science dept distribution na lines 25 sabres 2 0 bruins sabres' farm team , rochester , way calder cup \( ! \) kind hockey coverage getting \? penguins devils every day crap everyone else gets 's worse , sportschannel coverage islanders appears blocked , since got basketball last night , believe assume sabres demanding sc blackout , espn , since , unbelievably , usually considered part islanders territory \( msg coverage rangers blacked \) despite solid seven hours plus long island anyone know , besides putting satellite dish ass screwing reception channels 8 , 10 , 13 \? empire demand fortune games \? games \( whatever number buffalo \) \? anyone phoned complain \( besides \) \? george george ferguson arpa ferguson cs rochester edu dept computer science uucp rutgers ! rochester ! ferguson university rochester vox \( 716 \) 275 2527 rochester ny 14627 0226 fax \( 716 \) 461 2018
ucsnews sdsu edu \( charles f \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization san diego state university computing services lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host ucssun1 sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 gary \( gsager heliacal eng sun com \) wrote btw encouraging employees power monitors leaving work , pointed done monitors power switch front indication monitors power switches rear designed tolerate lots power cycling may apply monitors use , might worth checking happen monitor switch back i'm expert , spent much much life looking power switch , brightness control , de gauss , etc , etc , etc firm belief reason controls switches knobs whatever places hard reach designers put deliberately real question weather stupidity , charles unable locate coffee operator halted ucssun1 sdsu edu
pierson enet dec com \( dave pierson \) subject pcmcia nntp posting host organization digital equipment corporation lines 19 article 1d synapse org , martin vuille synapse org \( martin vuille \) writes anyone know contact obtain copy pcmcia standard \? pcmcia east duane st sunnyvale , ca 94086 usa 408 720 see also alt pcmcia thanks dave pierson facts , accurately manage , digital equipment corporation opinions , 40 old bolton rd nra stow , mass usa pierson enet dec com read everything , , credit , written nothing j raffles
lwb cs utexas edu \( lance w bledsoe \) subject line copy book mormon organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 13 distribution usa nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu keywords bom , book mormon , mormon article 1993apr23 ads com wmoore ads com \( william moore \) writes anyone provide ftp site obtain online version book mormon please email internet address possible copy interested \? lance lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu \( 512 \) 258 0112 ye shall know truth , truth shall make free
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject illegal transmit encrypted data \? organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 7 nntp posting host access digex net i'm afraid disagree point nsa tell rsa non dod entity anything eavesdropping reveals n't know might find expedient way keep people using something ca n't crack
mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) subject mary 's assumption organization university illinois urbana lines 69 mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) writes hate sound , shot mouth badly net , i'm afraid much material adds feeling assumption mary would better phrased assumptions mary time 've reading mary group , recall reading much mary sound like wishful scant , , scriptural foundation find new testament real portrait christ 's parents human persons honored admired humility submission god 's working , beyond doubt theories dogma accreted around gives image alien inhuman creatures , untouched sin human desire christ truly sanctified , even knew temptation , albeit without submitting also n't see necessity saying holy parents sanctified beyond normal humanity sounds like inability grasp immensity god 's grace incarnated dinary human wo n't start yelling people worshipping mary , etc , since folks told otherwise , think lose part wonder god 's incarnation christ make parents sinless , , , beings paul marxhausen paul wonderful job anything possible offend us catholics hopefully careful wording also n't want extend topic entire major issue debate \( anymore already \) , note two 1 please n't talk jesus' parents doctrinal positions church unequivocally different regarding mary joseph \( personally \) never heard anything attributed st joseph , reference ever sinless , assumed heaven , immaculately conceived , etc ideas apply mary 2 would agree little scriptural evidence doctrines mary needless say , presents significant problem accept bible source doctrine , however , one turns sacred traditions christian church , problem finding evidence basically unanimous belief among apostles early generation mary assumed heaven , body soul , etc etc n't reformation doctrines called question far concerned \( , personaly feelings \) 's choice apostles luther , 'll choose apostles every time , whether recorded within writings traditions men determined bible like said , couple notes often said , believe must agree \( politely \) disagree may god 's peace blessings always search discover absolute truth mike walker mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( univ illinois \)
rz tu de \( joerg \) subject cache problems summary system crash caused programs active keywords cache lines 9 hi mac fans , problems new quadra 700 several programs \( mathematica 2 1 , module \) causes active anyone list programs compatible \? anyone hints use quadras \? thanks joerg
sinn carson u washington edu \( philip sinn \) subject et4000 w32 chip graphics accelerator summary sec winmark 3 11 800x600 256 colours keywords winmark , accelerator , chip , hint article shelley distribution world organization university washington , seattle lines 43 nntp posting host carson u washington edu got et4000 w32 card made yesterday ran winmark test card vl bus card display 16 7 million colours 640x480 mode 1mb dram comes et4000 w32 window drivers normal et4000 drivers et4000 w32 drivers handles , 640x480 , 800x600 , 256 colours also , 640x480 800x600 , supports hicolor , 32k 64k colours winmark result running 16mb 486dx33 eisa vl bus system using hint chipsets winmark 3 11 zd lab using et4000 w32 drivers 640x480 256 10 63 sec 32k 7 34 64k 7 30 800x600 256 10 07 32k 6 38 64k 6 35 256 8 17 using et4000 drivers 640x480 16m 1 78 800x600 4 01 16 4 22 result , et4000 w32 drivers specialized use hardware feature et4000 w32 chip whereas et4000 drivers normal driver et4000 based graphics card price graphics card got 185 local dealer may less mail order os 2 2 0 drivers comes supports 256 colors resolution results , double performance based card 256 colours mode philip sinn sinn carson u washington edu university washington opinions
rick ee uwm edu \( rick miller linux device registrar \) subject find list toolkit options \? organization lines 9 nntp posting host 129 89 2 33 x face bo 'e , \( \( k g 6 pd \( 0g w , `x r zs 've started messing x windows linux , 've run toolkit options thing man pages number x clients get list options \? xview thing \? \( , would kind soul show set linux \? \) rick miller rick ee uwm edu ricxjo discus mil wi us ricxjo muelisto send postcard , get one back ! enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion ! rick miller 16203 woods muskego , wis 53150 usa
org \( charles \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization technology , inc , houston , tx distribution inet lines 37 article 1993apr25 random ccs northeastern edu rogue ccs northeastern edu \( free radical \) writes go like feds need key phone escrow warrant tap line phone \? feds yes escrow fine , key rogue cs neu edu \( rogue agent sod ! \) also goes like need listen mafia head terrorist bbs sysop 's conversations n't probable cause tap tap \? enemy state get keys always claim phone 's used tapped line 's got way associate instrument individual state effectively tap , possibly admissible \( given war drugs exceptions 4 5 , knows \) none less tap phone charles \( work \) org standard disclaimer \( home \) cgm org mature society , civil servant equivalent civil master robert heinlein , notebooks lazarus long
richs aplcomm jhuapl edu \( rich spiegel \) subject cache card iisi reply richs aplcomm jhuapl edu \( rich spiegel \) organization jhu apl lines 27 article usenet ins cwru edu , da228 cleveland freenet edu \( charles g williams \) writes 99 good deal , still n't know would say good deal june 's macworld , river \( formerly computer \) advertised daystar 33 mhz powercache 68882 295 ! believe \? know prices would falling , ! actually , 295 33 mhz powercard , universal powercache 33 mhz universal powercache fpu adaptor 500 \( still bad deal \) believe powercard one generation older universal powercache , one primary difference powercard machine specific powercache fit many macs proper adaptor cards 68030 based i'm sure hardware software powercard otherwise different powercache \( perhaps someone could enlighten \? \) would also add called river computer night going fast rich spiegel mission analysis group johns hopkins road laurel , md \( 301 \) 953 5000 ,
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject newbie nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 13 yes , matt , dear newbie , best advice read foe days best source info \( kinda makes glad discovered r well got riding could possibly sounded like otherwise \? \) btw matt , despite insults destined face , great move taking msf course save butt good luck , erc dod 1138
werner soe berkeley edu \( john werner \) subject 14 rgb owners kind power cable came monitor \? organization uc berkeley school education lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host soe berkeley edu article senator bedfellow mit edu , thewho athena mit edu \( derek fong \) wrote kind power cord get apple monitor come two types \? recently bought lc ii 14 monitor monitor comes type power cable plugs switched outlet back larger macs since lc ii n't one outlets , extra standard power cable included computer use monitor computer box , monitor box 's cables particularly expensive , though 10 15 john werner werner soe berkeley edu uc berkeley school education 510 596
michael hecht michael hecht mac sas com subject change default paper cassette lw pro 630 \? x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 15 01 39 gmt x xxmessage id mac sas com nntp posting host mac sas com organization sas institute inc lines 14 hi ! want change default paper cassette laserwriter pro 630 250 sheet cassette 500 sheet cassette right , change manually print dialog time print forget , document printed letterhead paper 250 sheet cassette ideas \? michael michael p hecht internet michael hecht mac sas com sas institute inc cary , nc usa applelink sas hecht
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 31 mark mccullough \( mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \) wrote article 30136 ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes atoms objective n't even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model describes certain physical , observable properties surroundings subjective jim halat deserves framing really atoms n't even real tell , atoms seen electron microscopes atoms , \? imaginations \? evidence atoms real overwhelming , wo n't bother evidence moment would us believe eye perceives images perceived \? may interesting thought electron microscope used wavelength light illuminate object atomic scale image useful resolution , would n't illuminating sources wavelength several orders magnitude less size thing observed \? atom cloud , lower resolutions would give appearance , seems fairly certain atom object conventional sense obviously physicist , question nature anyway , stray thought , carry bill
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject according government' , turks western thrace reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 207 article 1993may14 news uiowa edu mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) writes treaties signed greece turkey speak moslem minority turkish minority reason talk moslems turks majority people turks gypsies , exciting first discuss non existent literature tastes , fantasies , choices historical revisionism related 'arromdians' asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle \? agreement exchange minorities uses term , ' demonstrates actually meant previous reference ' fact greek governments also mention existence thousand non turkish muslims change essential reality lives western thrace much bigger turkish minority also muslim people , three nations \( , turks , greeks \) consider part know muslim turkish minority organized according agreements \? also proves turkish people trapped greece greek people free settle anywhere world greek authorities deny even existence turkish minority pursue denial connection macedonians greece talk oppression addition , 1980 greek parliament passed law 1091 , virtually taking administration charitable trusts ceased self supporting religious cultural entities talk fascism greek governments attempting appoint , irrespective turkish minority , state official although orthodox church full authority similar matters greece , muslim turkish minority say electing religious leaders talk democracy government greece recently destroyed islamic convention komotini destruction , reflects attitude muslim turkish cultural heritage , violation lausanne convention well 'so greek constitution , supposed guarantee protection historical monuments government greece , hand , building new churches remote villages step toward hellenizing region longstanding use adjective 'turkish' titles prohibited greek courts ordered closure turkish teachers' association , komotini turkish youth association turkish association grounds turks western thrace community associations active 1984 first told remove word 'turkish' buildings official papers eventually close also final verdict \( november 4 , 1987 \) greek high court helsinki watch , well known human rights group , investigating plight turkish minority greece august 1990 , findings published report titled ethnic identity turks greece ' report confirmed gross violations human rights turkish minority greek authorities says instance , greek government recently destroyed islamic komotini destruction , reflects attitude muslim turkish cultural heritage , violation lausanne convention 1 helsinki watch problems turks western thrace continue ankara \( \) 15 page report helsinki watch stated turkish minority western thrace still faced problems stipulated discriminatory policy implemented greek government brought end report western thrace emphasized greek government grant social political rights members minorities equal enjoyed greek citizens addition must recognize existence turkish minority western thrace grant right identify , may 1992 2 greece west thrace turks independent mp ahmet faikoglu said greek state trying cut contacts relations turkish minority turkey pointing greek minority living istanbul called greek ethnic definition , religion minority western thrace considered interview greek newspaper said greek citizen turkish origin individuals minority living western trace also turkish emphasizing education problem turkish minority western thrace faikoglu said according agreement signed 1951 greece must distribute textbooks printed turkey turkish minority schools western thrace activities komotini independent mp dr sadik ahmet defend rights turkish minority , faikoglu said fact helped greece prevented greece , cradle democracy , losing face european countries forcing greek government recognize legal rights greek relations , pointed countries predestined live peace geographical historical reasons said turkey greece must resist foreign powers trying create cooperating , adding turkey observed improve relations greece , january 1993 3 macedonian human rights activists face trial greece two ethnic macedonian human rights activists face trial athens alleged crimes greek state , according court summons \( \) obtained sideropoulos bulev \( \) charged greek criminal law making comments athenian magazine sideropoulos bulev gave interview greek weekly magazine march 11 , 1992 , said macedonians denied basic human rights greece would field ethnic macedonian candidate coming greek general election bulev said interview greek , macedonian sideropoulos said article greece recognise macedonia allegations regarding territorial aspirations greece tales panic secure border , time borders barriers within eec falling main charge two , according court summons , spread intentionally false information might create unrest fear among citizens , might affect public security harm international interests country \( greece \) greek state recognise existence macedonian ethnicity believed 350 , 000 1 , 000 , 000 ethnic macedonians living within greece , largely concentrated north crime greek state anyone declares macedonian 1913 greece , serbia yugoslavia bulgaria macedonia three pieces 1919 albania took 50 macedonian villages part serbo yugoslav occupation broke away 1991 independent republic macedonia 1 5 million macedonians republic 500 , 000 bulgaria 150 , 000 albania 300 , 000 serbia proper sideropoulos long time macedonian human rights greece , lost job forestry worker years ago even exiled obscure greek island pressure amnesty international forced greek government allow return home town florina \( \) northern greece \( aegean macedonia \) , majority ethnic macedonians live balkan watchers see sideropoulos affair show trial greece desperate clamp internal dissent , especially comes issue recognition northern neighbour , republic macedonia last year state department united states condemned greece bad treatment ethnic macedonians turks \( largely live western thrace \) remains seen us government anything presidential elections l 91 , rue du 91 28 1120 brussels , belgium , macedonia tel fax 32 2 268 18 48 tel fax 38 91 201 566 modem 32 2 262 28 97 n acc citibank belgium 954 92 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 44 article 1993apr22 daffy cs wisc edu mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes article 37501 optima cs arizona edu sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) writes bullshit ! ! ! gulf massacre , 7 ordnance used smart rest 's 93 regular , dumb ol' iron bombs stuff heard figures closer 80 , 7 smart stuff , 35 hit try follow means 65 smart arsenal missed figures seen place hit ratio close 70 , still far higher 35 source says date , civilian death count \( er , excuse , mean collateral damage \) 200 , 000 never seen source claiming figure please post source reliability judged obviously , different sources bill \( happens theist , tie alt atheism ! \) pbs documentary war main source \( think still videotape \) others include nation progressive rest article mere rationalisation may claim sanitation plants strategic legitimate targets , happens civilians city sewer system \? happens civilians destroy water purification plants \? hospitals ca n't handle resultant , electricity \? exactly sources \? , i'm sure , seen 's interviews media pentagon lied patriot 's effectiveness source 70 effectiveness claim \? case , n't know relevant alt atheism move somewhere else \? shamim mohamed uunet , noao , cmcl2 ! arizona ! shamim shamim cs arizona edu take cross garlic 's mezuzah 's jewish page koran 's muslim 's zen buddhist , 're member league programming freedom write lpf uunet uu net
clements vax oxford ac uk subject u government science technolgy investment organization oxford university vax lines 16 noted us german science technology ww2 also british science technology discovery manufacture penicillin jet engines , swing wing aircraft , etc etc shipped lock stick across atlantic still suffering sort thing parochial aspects us procurement policy meiko , british parallel computer company , example , moved facilities us since way could sell stuff dave clements , oxford university astrophysics department clements uk ac ox vax eco real de dlc uk ac ox astro saint germain
ebu ericsson se \( paul tai \) subject bios replacement reply ebu ericsson se organization ericsson business communications , inc lines 16 nntp posting host ebu ericsson se x disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson pc 486 33dx \( isa \) ami bios opti chipset thinking replacing ami bios chip \( dated 6 91 \) date one \( reason , messing around \) questions 1 take old one plug new \? 2 anything else take care \? precautions take \? 3 get new bios chip , compusa , mailorder \? \( live orange county california \) 4 date version \? 5 important much would \? thank help paul
rats cbnewsc cb att com \( morris cat \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization distribution usa lines 12 move fuck helicoptor thermal imaging compound afternoon detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously anyone notice helicopters equipped thermal imaging equipment \? usually manifest front , sphere top rotor optical elements n't notice uh 1s equipped use handheld military thermal scanners \? , recording capability , hence credibility report subject human error
ptrei bistromath mitre org \( peter trei \) subject athiests hell organization mitre corporation lines 24 article may 9 05 38 49 1993 athos rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes much deleted point today might masons \( note , worshipped osiris egypt \) much deleted bugs see kind nonsense first , reasonable evidence linking masonry ancient egypt , even existed prior late 14th century \( 's nothing definitive 17th \) second , worship osiris , ever , part masonic practice \( strictly non denominational \) tangents , never ending tangents , said ! rex peter trei ptrei mitre org editor masonic digest
dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) subject benjamin franklin \( iii \) organization brown university department computer science lines 19 nntp posting host cs brown edu , mr salah still claiming stalin jew \? thread began sca , another guy claimed stalin lenin jews posted evidence books showing christians , someone made \( correct \) remark lenin 's maternal grandfather jew converted christianity counter fact stalin christian , youth , trained priest , mr salah wrote yes , says trained priest , religion ! \( btw , stalin developed strong antisemitic feelings later life \) mr salah seems intent trying spread hate jews posting antisemitic forgeries trying prove certain notorious people jews , even danny keren
cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) subject kidney stones organization eastern illinois university lines 32 student told today diagnosed kidney stones , one kidney , kidney infection upset condition misdiagnosed since last fall , ill time recent doctor 's appointment parents' hmo clinic , said forty ! x rays made kidney asked many x rays made , told technician need see area different views , says five x rays made angle could n't help feeling something must wrong procedure something pre med student feels could understood happening someone would explained nobody would , got worried also , told 300 ! surgery patients ahead cannot surgery august april supposed rest lot drink fluids go classes wonders given medicine plans call back doctor 's office clinic try get answers questions told would also write sci med see could find many x rays whether seems k wait line 3 months surgery something like whether looking elsewhere care plan get second opinion , pass info never hurts get information one source e mail post thanks alice
roman brice f204 n2603 z1 fidonet org \( roman brice \) subject modems simple question organization fidonet node 1 2603 204 even odd , forest hills ny lines 31 going purchase modem r fax capability currently considering 32bis global village teleport gold global village averages 100 , advantage \? concerning fax need present incoming fax e , modem software recognize incoming fax store information received , use mac applications image telephone line seems pretty stable supra well works great every passing day fall behind many great 14 4s zoom question i'm hearing great product hear sportster really cheap want receive fax , computer , monitor course modem set number rings receive fax specific ring set fax software 's entirely arrange 've faxes sent great 've home set n't need set fax receiving day also hear device channel incoming phone signals 70 rumor also phone company hook gizmo 5 's need best luck write back 'd like feedback freddie 1 2 5 clinton tax man cometh cometh cometh keeps coming roman brice internet roman brice f204 n2603 z1 fidonet org
atlantis csos orst edu \( ken \) subject pecota \( braves \) article jus distribution na organization cs dept oregon state university , corvallis , oregon lines 9 nntp posting host atlantis csos orst edu could someone send pecota 's stats last years , something give sort feel kind player \? mind handle , bothers pecota braves , pretty meaningful ca n't even come first name , think ken first n't succeed , try blacksburg , va quit use damn fool atlantis csos orst edu w c fields
lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu subject athlete 's heart organization doctoral student , public policy management , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu 've read exercise makes heart pump blood stroke , also makes heart slower , order make greater volume , diagnosed av block , slow heart rate pvc 's , told something different says heart rate associated electrical properties hear muscle , size exercise lowers heart rate increases stroke volume , effects unrelated except common source av block , asserts , another electrical effect , even exercise pvc 's also common runners ekg puts class trained athletes also heart patients n't strange , though \? beneficial aspects athlete 's heart \? good \? worried , curious , larry c
quilty twain ucs umass edu \( lulu lotus \) subject info mathematics encryption wanted organization university massachusetts , amherst lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host twain ucs umass edu signed group , hope i'm missing something faq , i'm looking good introduction mathematics encryption particularly des public key , though others would interesting also probably good library could help , thought might even easier could obtain nice article entirely electronically \( besides , rather rational phobia libraries reasons stemming dissertation thing hanging head \) \) basic knowledge mathematics number theory bit unfamiliar , 've graduate level math courses areas anyway , i'm complete novice field probably something aimed basic graduate introductory level would right something , anyway , specific really big prime number generated code message someone knows good text available ftp \( gopher \) , would like email one please let know 'll probably keep reading group would nice would email time , n't miss thanx , lulu message brought enterprises quilty umass edu opinions expressed must employer surely n't think believe !
jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) subject bruins x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 21 april 23 , mckee cs buffalo edu \( douglas mckee \) wrote \( doomed division i'm still convinced \( sabres win series \( 've lived buffalo life , \( last 10 years playoff hell \) , i'm sitting \( back , crossing fingers hoping offense keep scoring fear , doug , bruins toast statistically , 2 teams stanley cup series ever played come back win could n't happened nicer team , boston fans 've endure last month take heart , bruins fans least finished first adams sinister chuckle jack laugh world thinks 're idiot rosereader 2 10 entered rose rosemail 2 10 rosenet usenet gateway rose media 416 733 2285
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject batf fbi revenge organization oklahoma state university lines 30 article hydra gatech edu , gs26 prism gatech edu \( glenn r stone \) rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes anybody impeachment \? yeah , hillary 's buddy janet say 're responsible want desk yesterday also want thier butts federal civil rights violations something carries life prison penalty oh , 'll contribute 20 arlen specter 's presidential campaign launch senate investigation second motion wholeheartedly also , cigarette cops \( k atf \) comments anyone \? glenn r stone \( glenns eas gatech edu \) america distress \( flag upside sos \) save republic longer exists scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun
aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 60 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu elias davidsson writes ed dear pete , ed ed one zionist , least know ed hebrew , young man ed ed last sentence posting read ed ed medina amim \( amim \) ed ed n't want address comments speak ed ed best regards palestinian jewish origin talks , reads writes ed hebrew hate jews anybody else ed ed elias claim hate anybody may quite true statement easily visible intellectual corruption dominates everything post group complete lack objectivity toward israel , jewish identity general , reveal biases indicate great heap hatred ! certainly shown genuine hatred honesty objectivity repeatedly post items quotes removed original context used agenda rabid opposition existence israel used dishonest technique paint false image several israeli leaders ca n't say actually hate leaders , lies misrepresentations suggest prejudice , claim hate anybody , ample body evidence suggest claim false obvious hate israel , evident hate jewish people , jewish , self hating jew doubt although call upon jewish background effort claim high moral ground , doubt would like see jewish people fade away completely , people advocacy intermarriage purpose jewish people proof hate jewish people effort jewishness jews , 've clearly demonstrated hate jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel
arussell austin ibm com \( ag russell \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) originator arussell pal500 austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 54 article strnlghtc5wcmo fx5 netcom com , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com arussell austin ibm com \( ag russell \) writes company worked previously , received file des encryped person sent , went vaction rather wait two weeks set straight frontal attack one key time took two \( 2 \) days crack file , n't faith des taking face value \( though seems quite dissonant much else published brute force des cracking , unless russell lucky respect key \) , 'd interested whether program russell used available \? whether used cleartext recognition algorithm program whether examine decryption hand \? whether used known plaintext attack \? given certain archival methods certain key \( cleartext \) file used dictionary attack used des library provided system using keep anyone lucky key \? probably also tell us , given address , machine used desktop , workstation , super computer previous employment nothing current address , fact fastest machine office ibm risc system 6000 model 530 , 16 meg memory \( super computer \) depending answer , could appalling development calling question des rsa des dunno rsa idea really think statement limitations placed key interface \( ascii char padding \) , programs n't bother clear archival front id 's bright programmer little idle machine time crack single des message couple days \( assuming tricks message specific \) , 's clipper key , nsa give chip \) yes bright programmer little idle machine time , crack todays real world encryption sure could select key , prepare data decryption become worst case real world , i'm sure agency would start attack message , pointed , good recognition algorithms availible , i'm familiar g g russell dept section pals group vm id email arussell austin ibm com phone 512 838 7953 678 7953 views , anyone else would look silly free berkeley 4 4
david wheaton edu \( phil \) subject mgb questions summary need pre purchase help organization wheaton college , il distribution na lines 35 son considering purchase 71 mgb , substantially restored odometer rolled , ca n't sure actual mileage engine drive train apparently n't touched restoration , except new carb plans vacuum compression checks see might tell us engine body visible rust , interior new , tires , front brakes \( sure back \) , battery , bumpers misc parts paint checked places , scuffed , allegedly wind blown car cover seemed handle ok , except soft front shocks questions problem areas common mgbs check \? brakes seem soft rather ineffective expect way braking action \? seemed accelerating stop expect , given 4 cylinder engine \? top place , reach number snaps weather cold vinyl stretch fit warms , forever shrunk \? normal wire wheels painted , usually chromed \? given rather limited description , would reasonable price \? gee , turned little long sorry brother owned jag \( car ! \) 're obviously sports cars help questions , suggestions things investigate would surely appreciated phil david wheaton edu
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject seen lobby , us article netcom organization dsi uscrpac lines 21 article apr22 yuma acns colostate edu ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes 1 \) think us afford stamp envelope , cost printing letter 2 \) kind soul would write letter , upload net , everyone could capture , print , snail mail local congressional critter btw i'm working one far effective mass mailing standard letter \( taken usually represent one pressure group \) set individual letters perhaps nathaniel sammons someone else would like prepare set talking points individuals could compose letters david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
doug foxtrot ucsb edu \( douglas scott \) subject help porting function organization center computer music research composition , u c b lines 49 question aimed done server code hacking attempting add working function new server able get screen blank properly , debugging see function called 0 , \( arcane reason \) means blank screen problem function never called 1 , even moved mouse typed keys question likely missing would cause problem \? copied basic design function existing versions static next \( scr , \) scr copied server code right way \? \( ! screen saver \) \( \) \( screen saver \) save user 's current setting next save screen brightness \( \) \( , 0 0 \) blank screen else screen \( , next save screen brightness \) return true see server os code called turn saver , cannot find server screen tips help would appreciated thanks douglas scott \( 805 \) 893 center computer music research composition university california , santa barbara internet \( nextmail ok \) doug foxtrot ucsb edu
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject genocide caused atheism organization sgi lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr19 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes way , jon , found reference claim percentage population suffers depression increasing century \( requested \) start new heading \( thread \) post cool , discuss increase radio tv use , increase use fossil fuels , increase air travel , consumption processed bread , instruct us causes increased depression jon
andrew cmu edu subject bmw question organization freshman , biology , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 7 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu new benz c class cars come \? new nomenclature mb adopted apply c class cars also apply current class cars one know replace current 300 class since c class smaller line current 190 another question , bmw new body style current 7 series 5 series seem bit dated
gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) subject nasa 's mars observer image face mars \? organization jack 's amazing cockroach capitalist ventures lines 12 theories aside , \( watching though \) \) , nasa try image region mars face \? image high resolution camera , would settle face question mean , camera pixel resolution 6 feet , 'd know whether stuff real imagination come jpl nasa folks , try image settle thing gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) jackatak raider net \( 615 \) 377 5980
lor cbnewsk cb att com \( edward lor \) subject caps postseason fortunes organization lines 66 article jhunix hcf jhu edu admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) writes okay , caps break golf clubs , anyone history washington futility record playoffs \? remember terry 's first year first year caps finally made third round brian , noticed every year caps got second round years n't make past first round trend \? trend caps done five games , saves us caps fans lot pain mean , would painful caps 3 1 , watching need one win clinch series many times done history \? 1985 2 0 five game series isles , lost 3 straight 1987 3 1 isles , lost 3 straight 1992 3 1 pens , lost 3 straight words , clinch 3 games go , pitiful 2 9 , lone wins 1 \) sweep philly 1984 2 \) 1990 win rangers patrick finals , time managed get division actually , saturday 's blown lead n't anything new know caps famous lead blowers crucial playoff games examples 1 \) game 4 isles , 1985 , led 4 2 two , lead series 2 1 , gave 4 goals 3rd period , including game winning goal last minute goal , bobby carpenter botched penalty shot series tied 2 2 , lost game 5 days later 2 \) game 4 rangers , 1986 , led series 2 1 , led 2 3rd period , blew lost game ot three consecutive games 3 \) game 6 , 1992 , led series 3 2 , led 2 2nd period blew series 4 \) game 3 isles , 1993 , series tied 1 1 , led 2 2 blew 5 \) game 4 isles , 1993 , series 2 1 , led 3 2nd period blew leading 3 game 4 , said blew lead , series lost islanders believe come back matter score still waiting cap goalie carry team , completely shut opposition hanging dear lives crucial game admiral , hopeless caps fan p still remember 3 ot loss islanders ! ! well , teams teams n't caps frustrated year year islanders , thinking wait potvin bossy trottier smith retire well , retired \( even though trottier still able haunt caps pens uniform \) , yet another generation islanders still thing well , guess nothing players edward lor lor cbnewsk att com
nyx cs du edu \( einstein \) subject need access reports hall effect devices keywords hall organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 9 anyone know whereabouts technical reports access via internet \? \( \( \) \) \( \( \( \( \) \) \) \( \) \( \(
subject wanted lcd overhead mon jonathan evans wariat org \( jonathan evans \) distribution world organization comm link bbs \( 216 \) 691 cleveland , ohio lines 13 wanted lcd overhead monitor school \( cga \) looking one fairly good shape school n't alot money spend one know one sale please e mail thanks , jonathan jonathan evans wariat org cleveland freenet edu
starowl rahul net \( michael adams \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host bolero reply starowl rahul net organization service actuarial consulting x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 19 23 apr 93 00 18 59 gmt , clayton cramer observed kiwi ucs indiana edu \( amy lynn young \) writes someone tell mr cramer spouts homosexuals , addresses homosexual men , never , post 've read , addressed lesbians \? granted , stopped reading posts long , long ago , perhaps missed something women , seldom molest children un yeah right sure know list things american mom , apple pie , etc \? n't hear many stories mom child molester , stories would simply unamerican n't say n't happen michael starowl
msus1 msus edu subject devon white , playing \? organization minnesota state university system lines 15 article fir helios physics utoronto ca , wyllie helios physics utoronto ca \( andrew wyllie \) writes article 1993apr19 bmerh85 bnr ca bnr ca writes devon white blue jays line lately anybody know playing \? one games last week \( wednesday \? \) , white playing flu guess white probably still sick hope white gets back lineup soon , watching darrin jackson play center painful andrew heard strained abdominal muscle something like dan
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject gamma ray bursters organization express access online communications usa lines 36 nntp posting host access digex net well , seem struck interesting discussion given nuclear physicist , 'll boil bit 1 \) data bursts date , shows smooth random distribution 2 \) means n't concentrated galactic cores , someone elses 3 \) distribution smooth , either seeing enormously large phenomena scattered edge universe said phenomena subject debate almost phenomena seeing phenomena like oort cloud , needs potent little energy source , n't detectable current methods 4 \) know 's real close , like slightly extra solar , parallax measurements bursts 5 \) bursts seem bright something like black hole super string impacts something like everyone watching data arguing like mad meanwhile wondering , people 's opinion , new physics problem einstein got well known effect copernicus , started looking irregularities planetary motion big enough problem , create new area physics \? little speculative thinking folks pat
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject need maintenance tips nntp posting host seahunt imat com organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 20 article world std com cgkarras world std com \( christopher g karras \) writes reading service manual bike \( suzuki 1990 \) couple questions hope answer checking oil level dip stick built oil fill cap , one check cap screwed \? bikes 've seen use dipstick rather sight glass designed check without screwing manual cbr900rr , specifically state done way michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
eng sun com \( reddy \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization sun lines 48 nntp posting host article edison usask ca f54oguocha edison usask ca writes previous article , sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sa senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry mohamed , got say carnage genocide sudan \? two scenarios must viewed perspective n't think \? well , methinks flames intended ! ! ! oguocha mohamed noticed screaming shouting , one person brought question atrocities commited non muslims government could africans cares \? suggest everyone cut hypocrisy bosnia go discuss something even meaningless report shows acting finest traditions islamic law die hard people net \( shall remain nameless \) sudan government troops women , washington government troops sudan involved massacres , kidnapping transporting forced labor libya , according state department document declassified wednesday report compiled u embassy said government forces , particularly arab militias organized popular defense forces , routinely steal women children southern sudan women girls kept wives , others shipped north perform forces labor \( central sudan \) farms , notably libya , said
sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization michigan state university lines 36 distribution usa nntp posting host ee msu edu jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes much bs deleted brevity , point microsofties sell readers products \( would conflict ads philosophy usenet \) necessarily access info others certainly smacks ! remember poll quoted saying seen 95 users satisfied dos 6 0 \? care recall unbiased sample set \? post sure looked like fud coming microsoftie well , sure seemed like something level advocacy good spreading fud advocate favorite os unethical especially vested interest success os also get tired people assuming microsofties , like , members borg actions seem invite opinion never seen defensive people life moreover , many posts seem encourage , imho seriously speaking , shame ms techie employees get heat ms 's actions perpetrated management marketing sure talented etc doubts abilities , ethics marketing practices divya divya live long , die slow horrible death confucius wanted say
garrett ingres com subject watergate \( temper tantrums 1960 's summary still n't get news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division distribution usa lines 87 article 1993apr20 oracle us oracle com , mfriedma us oracle com \( michae writes article 1993apr19 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes article 1993apr17 oracle us oracle com , mfriedma us oracle com \( michae writes article 1993apr17 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes article netcom com , phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes article 1993apr15 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes ford go trouble nothing wrong \? duh garrett , ignorant , read watergate , guys must must call names \? none grade school levels intelligence \? jesus , garret , n't ever watched saturday night live \? historical ignoramus , also cultural ignoramus saturday night live anything \? make fun someone little bit creativity talent , hand , complete lack creativity , talent , verbal mechanics think culture , shows intellectual level generally accepted nixon attempted cover break occurred actions pursuit end , course , ignorant history think involved break guess makes even dumber officially accused alot let list 1 \) justice part coverup granted 2 \) abusing presidential powers coverup part let 's forget nixon personally authorized break 's psychiatrist 3 \) constitutional rights citizens challenge provided evidence officially accused thi nothing else , 's meaningless subvert someone 's constitutional rights \? verb n't go noun tell house charge going challenge well \? constitutional rights citizens nothing covering watergate proved wrong , n't expect believe since arrogance replaced reason 4 \) willfully lawful white house records tapes part coverup granted garrett , please note every charge mention , except one english meaning , part coverup wrong forgot btw , od think tried cover \? loyalty people worked would funny , n't sad actually believe loyalty allowed people worked take rap , sat let happen really loyal people worked , would resigned death modifiers , declared one day , garrett johnson every letter passed hands went every garrett ingres com adjective next day made war articles following day blacked everything letters , , joseph heller 's catch 22
dickie schaefer math wisc edu \( garth dickie \) subject centris 610 video problem i'm also ! organization univ wisconsin dept mathematics lines 44 horton sps mot com \( david horton \) writes bm967 cleveland freenet edu \( david kantrowitz \) writes computer set 256 colors certain operations done , particularly vertical scrolling window , horizontal white lines appear monitor \( generally always spare open windows \) lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved away line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured 16 colors 14 inch apple monitor 256 colors used anyone problems given configurations \? \( would help eliminate design flaw explanation \) data point , i'm using centris 610 4 80 apple 16 monitor problems produce similar artifacts using centris 610 apple 16 monitor got 8 230 cd configuration , board ethernet 1 megabyte video ram effect occurs 256 color 256 grey modes vertical scrolling operation , whether scrollbar , say , using vi inserting lines , produce scattering horizontal flickering lines screen persist visible perhaps one refresh , part screen back usual seem always start pixel left , maybe 512 pixels wide certainly preventing using macintosh \) , seem sign something perhaps grounded incorrectly video circuitry went ahead called apple customer assistance center , 1 800 776 , 1 800 767 2775 \( direct \? \) person answered polite \) also took chance complain mouse button sticking , mac hanging boot \( hard killed \) crash left cd drive \( play 5 minutes get thing eject , mac booted fine \) garth dickie dickie math wisc edu
lonewolf muse corp sun com \( peter pak \) subject 386 motherboard advice needed organization sun microsystems lines 12 distribution world reply lonewolf muse corp sun com nntp posting host muse corp sun com maybe clearer intel 386dx 25 would like use put together system however motherboards local vendors selling running either 33 40 mhz guess cross fingers hope cpu runs speed \) think 'll take mark 's advice see boards socketed oscillator head local electronics store thanks info b \)
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject zionists reject non jews news nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 11 05 23 00 1993 lines 50 center policy research cpr subject zionists reject non jews news ethiopian jews quite jews israeli press published items ethiopian jews waiting camps immigration israel , dying starvation following excerpts interview former general director project development welfare ethiopian jews , friedman \( hadashot , 21 april 1993 \) , stated people dying , converts christianity published item dying jews viewing video tape filmed last week know actually converts \? jews tape , n't know say speaking experience say remained ethiopia christians know previously things published press interesting parties , connection reality interested parties \? ethiopian immigrants want christian relatives come recommend ethiopian children israel , parents rest relatives remain ethiopia \? ask job state israel bring 40 relatives stayed ethiopia well , answer would better solution , economically well , young man buy one way ticket ethiopia family publ front , alternative information center jerusalem , israel 28 april 1993
jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation distribution usa lines 103 article tamsun tamu edu cs tamu edu \( jeffrey \) writes article 1993may10 microsoft com , jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes article uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article microsoft com cliffga microsoft com \( clifford garrett \) writes guess thats many new dos os 2 applications coming hardly windows apps coming \? \( irony \) yep , os 2 apps comming , os 2 apps comming yet another micro hoping says something long enough , hey , remember good old days running os 2 2 0 alpha brief , excel , word , couple internal apps \( product support database client , os 2 based email front end \) life good also impractical 'cause masses using windows job help masses apparently prefer os 2 windows least windows 3 0 , yes last comment mean knowledge os 2 dated \( must \) argue 's definitely dated used os 2 1 21 , alpha 2 0 \( developing \) suspect masses using windows could n't afford use os 2 , say much nt \? preferred windows 3 1 stable faster 3 0 , could still run apps os 2 \( made choice 2 0 released \) getting back original question , data relative windows applications versus os 2 applications evidence stated support dropped \? , 've seen data grow companies supporting os 2 make points please see life terms debating points , think need grow ah yes remember days kids would engage orderly debate , parents would usually find force us act mature manner casting rocks dirt hee hee good one n't help microsoft employees \( assume , due org , may wrong \) saying trivial things net \? microsoft employs 10 , 000 employees walking place like walking 1984 commercial individuals think 'll talk way , say thing , help microsoft time \? , \? appears frustration attitude encountered one 've encountered well hand experience reading thread microsoft unique position present facts , hmm sure \? i'm speaking experience os 2 user certainly people , say , nt marketing group would unique position present results , say , research upcoming nt os 2 apps \( vs windows ms dos apps \) part point cause one works microsoft mean one access data \( exists \) prefer make baseless claims attack poster must make conclusion confess , times , attacking poster usenet accounts restricted 're open , primarily recreational purposes yeah , us likely answer question hop debate make stupid comments know , like human beings \? i'm sorry newsgroup hackers stranded , humans alt microsoft humans \? seem discount others anyway , point microsofties sell readers products \( would conflict ads philosophy usenet \) necessarily access info others also get tired people assuming microsofties , like , members borg jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing
kevin cursor demon co uk \( kevin walsh \) subject friends p , send greetings reply kevin walsh kevin cursor demon co uk organization cursor software limited , london , england lines 17 article oaf klosters ai mit edu oaf zurich ai mit edu writes message ucdavis edu nameless geek chip ucdavis edu writes oded feingold call dogs , babe 's , flesh , i'm wayne either , might want tuck quivering back catch woody allen outrage ! n't even dog course married ago , remember \? professor kevin walsh kevin cursor demon co uk
paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) subject kevin mitchell nntp posting host koufax cv hp com organization lady stand triple lines 12 seems classic mitchell move , drops fly ball , play n't heard anything serious leg paul , \? bitter mitchell 's performance seattle \? nah stretch farm animal beyond natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard \( 503 \) 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis , 97330 \( 503 \) 752 8424 sabr member since 1979
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 5 nntp posting host access digex net contrary , entire clipper proposal example government servicing people \( sense term found sentence , farmer paid 100 rent bull service cows \)
wier merlin etsu edu \( bob wier \) subject radius \? organization east texas state university lines 22 opportunity buy radius board 1 3 normal street price , believe due change board architecture vaguely , maybe remember kind serious problem board , composite , pal , video , composite , etc plus also generating quicktime movies , etc macweek generally complimentary april 12th issue anyone information board , one , upgrade , etc 'd curious hear thanks ! b w insert usual disclaimers bob wier , east texas state u , commerce , texas wier merlin etsu edu \( watch address change \)
hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) subject happy birthday israel ! originator hamid ice mcrcim mcgill edu nntp posting host ice mcrcim mcgill edu organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines 34 article news cso uiuc edu , eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes article 1993apr27 011549 7010 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid reza mohammadi daniali writes deliberately deleted line ! n't remember wrote , remember wrote wrote happy 45 birth day israel ! hamid anybody information number people hamid killed israel 44 happy year \? sure number israelis killed defending israel little 17 , 000 last 45 years 61 , 000 injured means number people killed israel high keep track , also part zionism ideology n't need keep track people kill \? kill ! hamid must try make mockery everything , n't \? pathetic ed
rmohns vax clarku edu subject challenge microsoft supporters organization clark university lines 22 previous article , dhhalden \( thomas \) wrote invented make money others ideas made money n't air wrong time n't beard rob , pointless , anyone else caught resemblance views rob faculty advisor , terminal , mohns view window purely dental richard may may rmohns vax support said views , probably n't clarku edu want think
nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) subject two beemer questions \( r80gs \) organization lines 75 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) writes hello folks , i'm happy new r80gs range 238 miles 4 8 gallons 's 50 mpg ! ! surprisingly , bike real cruiser expecting something rough 's sweet backroad honey go pretty much anyplace 'd take mountain bike far shaft effect , 's torque effect crankshaft opinion rev sitting still \( moving \) bike twists bit maybe clutch , large chunk counter rotating mass rotating hence , light , makes twist shaft effect rear end rising power \( real problem \) getting lower road throttle snapped shut \( say cornering heads real close road \) new gs bikes shaft almost shaft effect n't ride fast enough get shaft effect , opinion little buffeting wind far greater consequence okay , questions 1 \) recommendations home made fairing \? 'd like keep wind chest , perhaps helmet , comfort highway speeds \( 70 mph \) , yet n't want \( \) screw stability \( b \) block vision much trail riding anybody luck two piece fairings \? 'd like make 2 \) run two lights , standard headlamp plus sidelamp mounted crash bar illumination 's excellent way , full beam coming level motor \( left side \) lamp beam linear get bright streak illumination left right , really picks periphery \( deer lurking , etc \) combined headlamp high see like day 've heard bmw alternators n't crank much need shut sidelamp i'm around dirt low rpm \? 's question long spend low rpm much need extra light low rpm , 3k , n't charge much alternators put sufficient wattage , need 4k rpm get 3 \) embarassing i'm trouble starting bike first thing morning invariably flood carbs , go read section paper , starts right zen thing \? full choke open gas taps hit starter ever slightly blip throttle fire cranking done minimal throttle r100 likes raised bit idle 's experience thing like zen , 's hard describe hard learn n't paying differences success failure especially get really pissed flatten battery trying get run bike sitting weeks , give short start n't , turn wait minutes things fuel system lights right 've got dual plugs make easier start 4 \) 's manual says circumstances use gasoline alcohol additives yeah , right folks due keep engine carbs eaten ethanol methanol \? particular brands gas best \? additives \? big fix bing carb upgrade kit 's good mpg parts alcohol proof parts replaces n't alcohol proof long bike n't going sit long periods time , nice since helps keep ping away bike n't ping cheap gas ought raise compression ! \( half smiley , bmw twins 80s beyond lowered compression keep epa happy dual plugs higher compression give back big chunk lost \) neil kirby dod nak archie att com bell labs columbus oh usa \( 614 \) 860 think speak might lawyers sense
jupiter com subject snes 1 2 pt 2 keywords snes organization first national bank chicago , chicago il , usa lines 8 1 2 professionally converted play snes asking 60 willing trade snes z bill thoughts , employer 's email jupiter com leave fax \( 312 \) 732 thanks enjoy buffet !
organization university maine system 's , zero maine maine edu subject cdtv , , monitor lines 44 subject cdtv , accessories , monitor bids placed set , including prices repost negotiable , course anticipation arrival new computer system , selling cdtv accessories rush sell n't money , may able get weeks , make bid let know willing sell pieces separately , wait sell accounted \( least cdtv keyboard kit \) sell monitor separately cdtv \( 6 months old mint condition comes documentation , packaging , receipt , etc , mint condition demo disc \) start bidding 375 cdtv keyboard package keyboard , mouse , 3 5 drive \( comes , packaging , receipt etc 6 months old mint turns cdtv full fledged amiga 500 computer ! \) start bidding 125 monitor \( couple years old good condition comes documentation , packaging , receipt find \) start 125 software \( various titles games , demos , etc note cdtv discs software 3 5 disc based \) free package deal please send best bid maine call \( 207 \) 581 ask zero leave message i'm zero z cdtv owner come peace shoot kill ! \( 207 \) 581 owner ncc 42 u heart gold university maine video hobbyist live long n't panic ! ! student star trek tng fan \( mostly harmless \) douglas n adams fan major life , universe , transfer mind scott card fan everything enterprise ship degenerate hitchhikers
e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) subject bastards \( mormon beliefs bastards \) organization university nebraska lincoln lines 7 relevance posts subject might deut 23 2 , bastard shall enter congregation lord even tenth generation shall enter congregation lord
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject cameras sale organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 9 following complete camera kits sale minolta three lenses ricoh zoom lens nikon 35 mm autofocus 50 nikkor 50 1 8 mint 60 e mail details
rick aus tx us \( rick \) subject c service rip organization department redundancy dept summary 's law austin lines 28 article 1993apr23 chpc utexas edu chpc utexas edu \( albert wu \) writes went place called american car care centers check car c leak checking , told leak compressor seal end , addition labor check , charged 12 dollars pound freon , although evacuated c afterwards leak first , fair charge pound freon \( 12 plus tax \) \? second , unfair \? albert wu information lucky enough live city austin , tx , auto c system checked found leaks , must repaired time , evacuated ordinance unique \( think \) city austin freon subject increasing taxes , 12 2x cost recovered freon required purchased car withdrawn matter practice , shops charging fee less cost freon removed system another quality service conscious city rick austin , texas experience domain rick aus tx us get n't bang path ! org ! ! rick get want
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 organization totally unorganized lines 35 article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes predict outcome study went wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives done secret \) anybody notice treasury dept \( fbi batf , words \) clinton wants investigation \? words , investigating \? sure n't seem enthusiastic congress investigation , notice well , want \( probably insert \) anybody smell attempt whitewash \? justice dept investigation , say possible poor bad dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com i'm beginning look forward reaching 100 allocation taxes pay interest national debt point federal government go business lack funds pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject billboards space x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 24 phil g fraering pgf srl03 cacs usl edu finally n't bronze age , please try remember human activities practiced warrior caste , farming caste , priesthood f baube responds right , profiting caste blessed god , may freely blare presence evening twilight steinn sez priesthood never quite forgiven merchants \( aka profiting caste sic \) rise power , \? looking evidence god ness , 'd say ability blare lights evening sky best evidence could ever hope get wonder classes upset \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk radius vision increases , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm circumference mystery grows
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject temperature dark sky organization u toronto zoology lines 21 article 1993apr28 news arc nasa gov moses pan arc nasa gov \( julie moses \) writes radiation field measured modeled various groups remember things correctly , models involved contributions three different bb sources , 's obvious temperature background radiation local area indeed , sky n't look much like black body look carefully enough particular , temperature radio frequencies quite bit higher would see black body morgan gordon 's fat communications satellite handbook graph sky temperature vs wavelength , fact , communications design however , terms energy content , rf frequencies negligible thermal purposes , large distances sun sky looks like black body 3 5k \( allen , astrophysical quantities \) n't found number non large distances , since solar radiation tends something ca n't ignore \) , g says 4k brief discussion solar radiation dominates problem svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) nntp posting host debra dgbt doc ca organization communications research centre , ottawa distribution na lines 59 article bu edu uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes point remains see government slowly washing away privacy even unwittingly think ever live soceity issues smart cards citizens birth \? think live soceity insists register crypto keys keep track i'm saying \? even evidence guilt \? think ever live soceity seeks meddle affairs its' citizenry without recourse kind \? i'm tired \( imho \) compromise administration seeks implement proposals guise enhancing privacy proposals , read language press releases , obvious deception involved presenting pieces public , sickened revolted repulsed 90 , perhaps even 95 country could care less clipper chip , wiretap bill , smart card , rhetoric clinton administration frightens conserveative believe law order conserveative move centralized regime really scares , mostly know cant go far wrong intelligence american people tell 's going keep safe drug dealers terrorists , let put cameras home even wake waco , find support increasingly moves quite honest , way things going , 'd call self defense dont want mine eyes security camera 24 hours day never advocated saying believe i'm advocating second thought , calm smart warrior defeats enemy ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeats enemy open warfare battlefield warrior defeats enemy without using battlefield think uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys pgp iastate edu sovereignty sign brutal past fight clinton 's wiretap chip ! df610670f2467b99 97de2b5c3749148c crypto crime ! ask ! jerry han crc doc div behavioural research jhan debra dgbt doc ca opinions , opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories 've left behind , still ringing ears genesis
stanford edu \( richard \) subject first bike honda ascot \? organization stanford university , california , usa lines 12 csi compuserve com \( nathan betz \) writes i'm going buying first bike i'm considering 82 honda ascot less 5k miles sound like reasonable choice \? anything special need know \? '82 ascot first bike recommend anyone 's interested , mine 's sale 's la currently , bum starter around 10k miles 'd like couple hundred rich
easteee wkuvx1 bitnet subject prays speaks tongues \? organization western kentucky university , bowling green , ky lines 8 pray tongues , appropriate pray speak tongues \? would like gain knowledge subject western kentucky \) \) \) university \( \( \( \( easteee wkuvx1 bitnet
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject car saftey important \? organization university westminster lines 10 course car safety important one used think guys going way ott \( sorry del button dont work \) side impact bars crash zones \( list goes \) make car \( penalties \) recently little accident \( bike \) bad john 's accident made worn helmet \( mom always concerned hair style \) days read report old rea rea shit renault 5 accident roof crushed heads
msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) subject disks copy protected article ms reply msunde01 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 155 nntp posting host mik uky edu article 1993apr22 163605 24784 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes several types copy protection , point make sure user using legitimate copy simplest virtually fool proof way program somehow fixate machine installed \( sort checksum , serial number , whatever \) copy put different machine \( installed original disks \) work okay , part machine \( presumably part code number whatever program upon goes bad , replace part , program wo n't run 's different computer \? \? \? , course , assuming program uses something rom \( like bios serial number , maybe \? \) disk based code number obviously drive goes bad 'll reinstalling stuff anyway work computer lab part university microlab system wonderfully fun task maintaining well hundred machines , pc macintosh , well administering network 50 next machines personally concerned small lab ten pc 's ten mac 's \( i'm manager , help admin often \) imho , copy protection schemes sort nothing major headache legitimate user anyone wants copy program n't care legality get copy period pirate board pirate board friends blatantly quite hack copy protection schemes practically sleep let 's consider goes lab almost daily least one machine , sometimes several , due screwing setting piece software admittedly , \( students , mostly \) world 's efficient effective network administrators , try keeping even twenty machines \( partly \) responsibility even vaguely looking acting similar average user , maintaining behind scenes consistency real headache , bad headache trying remember twenty different folder locations norton utilities guy disk often hardware problems peak business times parts swapping get stuff working temporarily well , 'll cut chase quit boring y'all point , often install software copy configuration files etc machine machine far easiest way found get one machine working exactly way want , copy complete setup machine nine \( machine 's type \) ensures us \( least ten minutes \) ten identical machines work networked simplifies considerably , major packages \( wordperfect , windows , etc \) network versions thus one copy mess often , however , need install package requested instructor one , , machines special project usually hand written shareware , etc program similar believe original poster asking copy protection schemes caused nothing nightmares us maintain short , n't waste time copy protection scheme 's sort like outlawing guns criminals get program anyway , hurting legitimate , honest user write good user 's guide tech manual , whatever else program \( please regardless whether copy protect thing ! ! ! \) , distribute manual licensed users jack price cut losses , please take cue major companies \( admittedly afford costs illegal copies far better \) n't burden legitimate user copy protection scheme ! sorry tirade , 's long day \) mark underwood ee student , university kentucky lab assistant , boyd hall microlab \( tiny little division uk library microlabs \) e mail msunde01 mik uky edu program definitely , restored machine \( depends programmer n't use disk drive characteristic ! \) user upgrade machine , reinstall programs way document look , disk wear tear ! say originals would allow one install user 's conscience know , 'll get flamed increasing number casual users either unknowingly n't care software copyrights \( 's truth friends ask copies latest games time , refused , went somebody else \) , casual pirating becoming problem sort copy protection discourage casual copying 've seen friends dug somewhere latest greatest games , cracked , within days actual release ! know many bytes need change x wing disable quiz \? two ! yes , two ! \( n't ask ones \) determined pirates unstoppable , given enough time , results spread far , since pirate boards well known , easily tracked found authorities casual pirates copy protection determined discourage believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables two benefits 1 \) encourages registration , 2 \) cuts pirating makes traceable , patch 's registration message encrypted , quite hard change , therefore provides stable trail allowed copy hands , thus violated license agreement way , legitimate users register experience minimal discomfort \( major upgrades computer frequently \? \) problem wo n't able restore another computer registered users would proven users therefore gains full rights , restore different machines hand , software company record particular copy supposed user 's copy found somewhere supposed , know broken license agreement course , hacker break eventually , 's point , \? kasey chang
sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization michigan state university lines 26 distribution usa nntp posting host ee msu edu much editing get point brett sherron ferrell writes interesting point , wo n't dispute , pray tell , know fact anything , n't provided insight source \? think accept fact maybe would gave word , even mike timbol responds says knows fact , gain gives word \? think 's lying right \? think lying , also feel hesitant take anybody word unless attribute source thier claims fud misconceptions outright lies flying around advocacy newsgroups , trust unsubstantiated rumor claim especially employees ibm 's microsoft , anyone seems vested interest divya divya live long , die slow horrible death confucius wanted say
mmatusev radford vak12ed edu \( melissa n matusevich \) subject nose picking organization virginia 's public education network \( radford \) lines 5 n't know causes body harm , 23 years 've teaching nine ten years olds 've never one fall eating many kids regular basis think one looking
joe com \( joe \) subject experience \? organization island software lines 19 i'm going purchasing one anyone experience card \? positive negative comments welcome ! please respond immediately thanks , joe joe joe com island software ! joe sgi com \( 415 \) 969
westes netcom com \( estes \) subject looking low lease rate toyota previa organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 7 's best lease quote anyone seen toyota previa dx dx trac two year lease \? know get better rate 330 month , please contact name phone dealership estes internet westes netcom com
ecs comm mot com \( david lau \) subject gif viewer source code pc \? organization motorola lines 10 nntp posting host 145 1 161 169 anyone know could get source code gif viewer pc n't fancy , would best written c display gif pictures vga screen hoping get free ftp site , n't able find yet david lau ecs comm mot com
davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com \( david madden \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization paramax systems corporation , pa lines 45 nntp posting host gvls2 article ucdavis edu , ez027993 chip ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) writes want speed ballgames \? 3 mandate rule permitting n seconds pitches \( current rule lenient \) , enforce fifteen seconds enough time pitch n't released 15 , call ball , restart clock remember post last year indicating pitch clock tried one minor leagues time back work n't remember said work anyone remember \? jody wip phil saying pitch clock inevitable would pitch clock work throws first \? another pair suggestions 1 remove balk rule runners responsibility stay safe matter pitcher 2 pitcher throws occupied base x time \( x 3 5 \) without successfully picking runner , runner advances base walked balk seems give pitcher advantage base walk allows runner challenge pitcher throw base baseball games take 2 51 nl , shade 3 hours al 's damn long n't like play 3 hour games , much less watch game long butt falls asleep , i'm watching tv , 'll channel surf pitches , catching versions mr ed , leave beaver , wacky nick nite , find surfing know enough time pitch allow batter adjust gary huckabay think 's loud enough , hole \? movie rights well , 're trouble hearing , sir , available thru 'd happy turn n't ted frank know many people age liked king 's x david madden
kevin boyce boyce gsfc nasa gov subject using setwutime \( \) pb170 x xxmessage id sofa gsfc nasa gov x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 18 59 23 gmt organization nasa gsfc x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 lines 15 article world std com andrew e page , aep world std com writes one way tell go open powerbook control panel \( 7 1 \) setting allows set time wake mac present open control panel , assume setwutime work gee , nice tell us like , gestalt response bit selector \? well , least know n't work \( assume 'm using pb 145 \) kevin boyce gsfc nasa gov whoosh \? \( pepsi \? \)
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton press briefing dee dee myers 4 20 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 693 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 press briefing dee dee myers briefing room 9 47 edt ms myers okay , today 's schedule know , president morning senator 1 15 p , photo opportunity rose garden present teacher year award 1 30 p , meet principal advisors bosnia 5 00 p , 'll meet president havel photo op top meeting formal press conference afterwards questions \? q moving towards major decision week bosnia \? ms myers 've said , 's continuing discuss options 's talking extensively foreign policy advisors , bosnia advisors , well world leaders 'll try contact president today , 'll continue discuss n't specific timetable , obviously situation serious q called janet reno today yesterday \? ms myers n't believe 's spoken today q nothing say publicly except piece paper put last night 6 40 p \? ms myers answered question yesterday q anything happened ms myers anything happened put q since something happened 's nothing say ms myers 's put statement last night 'll say later today q forum going \? ms myers photo rose garden q talk waco \? ms myers yes , 'll something say q something take live \? ms myers think brief talk little later exact structure work n't know 's something 'd want take live q take questions waco time well \? ms myers 'll probably take q reason n't talked attorney general \? ms myers 'll double check n't know n't talked morning q n't come morning see anyone else \? ms myers q n't talk yesterday \? q 's reaction resignation statement made last night \? ms myers asked question , answered question president absolutely intention asking attorney general 's resignation stands behind 100 percent know , informed decision takes full responsibility , stands 100 percent behind attorney general reno q question arises yesterday told briefed , never got firm idea much knew plan justification plan justification timing fully informed , increasing levels violence inside compound made want go , feeling nothing else going succeed , et cetera \? ms myers talked attorney general decision , talked factors led decision raised objections supports decision go forward fully briefed q course , hindsight 20 20 , looking back , president , white house feel decision signed proved right way go look actually happened \? ms myers think everybody feels bad life lost n't think reason second guess decision stands behind decision made informed fully briefed stands 100 percent behind attorney general , justice department fbi 's difficult operation 's already gone seven weeks four federal agents lost lives line duty let 's forget difficult situation decisions involved difficult agents ground , fbi , justice department recommended moving forward thought , given circumstances , best possible course action 's point second guessing decisions , think 's reason q \? ms myers , second guess decisions think 's important take look , investigation think president talk later today vantage point , second guess decisions , 's useful q sound like 's going order investigation happened whether ms myers think 'll say later , yes q order investigation \? ms myers 'll yes 'll say investigation q kind investigation \? ms myers 'll say later q monday morning , surely soul searching whether right decision ca n't say best could turned rather debacle ms myers think 'll obviously , 'll review situation factors lead tragic outcome n't think anybody disputes outcome tragic , , president stands behind decisions made 'll take look factors contributed q fbi director 's role \? ms myers well , obviously involved setting operation signed , agents ground working n't believe spoke president , 'll double check q closely involved every aspect planning forth \? ms myers would refer fbi exactly aspects involved q janet reno coming white house today \? ms myers 's planned meeting n't believe 'll q wo n't event 1 15 p \? ms myers , plans q think 's going jumping part political opposition make something terms president 's detriment politically \? ms myers well , would certainly hope people would n't try use tragedy political reasons obviously , think , , 's useful look facts , facts , think president move forward think people understand difficult series decisions difficult situation caused man cult leader involved death four federal agents think 's tragic lot innocent children lost lives n't think anybody disputes tragedy outcome q dee dee , white house role handling , guess , public relations aspect aftermath \? talking white house talking people justice set reno 's news conference , sort thing \? ms myers think attorney general handled end situation made decision go ahead news conference point enough information , think , talk accuracy transpired day obviously , people number levels keeping touch people justice department fbi try keep informed happening q reno said n't talk president , seemed indication n't talked anybody white house ms myers people talking staff staff level q understand justice department handling reno \? talking white house \? ms myers number people know , webb hubbell liaison white house , know talked number people number people number different levels involved n't want get exactly conversations , number conversations obviously , justice department working keep white house informed , press informed best ability events throughout day q webb hubbell talk president \? ms myers n't believe n't know talked may one point q white house role seek information happened , direct public information campaign followed \? ms myers keep situation president could top , think justice department managed press relations obviously interested happening throughout day , president following closely throughout day q dee dee , , though , president following closely talked night janet reno , would n't talk since \? ms myers , n't know 's talked morning , 's kept fully aware going throughout day stands 100 percent behind decisions 's fully supportive , said yesterday morning events transpired yesterday afternoon written statement q would n't want convey thoughts personally yesterday \? ms myers one time , n't know 've spoken morning q , yesterday q clearly 's perception left hung dry day yesterday ms myers 's true think said throughout day president takes full responsibility , stands n't know much clearer president stands behind attorney general accepts full responsibility events transpired believes janet reno , justice department , fbi acted best could , given circumstances facts evident time n't know else say show supports 1 , 000 percent q one best indications pick phone tell ms myers , n't know whether 've spoken morning q ca n't find \? ms myers well , ca n't standing right q 've got six people 've got pick phone ms myers helen , 'll get back q dee dee , president spoke attorney general sunday , safe assume either inquired whether possible downside increasing pressure davidians \? ms myers think discussed situation , i'm going get specific details exactly told , think aware risks involved q dee dee , president yesterday morning said entirely decision said told happening said , okay president regard gave go ahead gave go ahead \? ms myers think said yesterday made decision based available facts informed raised objections , n't know much clearer q said , okay issue responsibility ms myers said , okay q okay mean ms myers president accepts ultimate responsibility q dee dee , president 's investigation 's going announce would conducted someone outside administration \? ms myers q would internal meant preclude congressional investigation \? ms myers , 's meant simply follow incidents occurred yesterday q would , assume , therefore , cooperate fully congressional hearings would held \? ms myers best ability q dee dee , two reports morning one justice department , fbi , whomever , apparently bug planted inside complex children may injected kind poison may either left unconscious maybe even killed fire know two ms myers nothing 've seen news accounts morning may get later , point , know i'm sure anybody knows reported people came compound q president received report today terms fatalities actually going 've able find compound \? ms myers 's briefed n't think 've gotten compound yet still waiting cool n't think 's much beyond 's reported news accounts kept date q dee dee , president stands behind attorney general reno , feel perhaps got bad advice called experts \? ms myers believes made stands behind decision made unanimous decision advisors , fbi , agents ground , supports q validity decisions made ground \? back ms myers 's going second guess decisions made q dee dee , said , stands behind decision made normally , situation like , president says , made decision 're saying made decision \? ms myers i'm saying president briefed decision accepts full responsibility q keep using terminology , decision made , rather decision made ms myers , said yesterday , evaluated facts based evidence presented justice department fbi , part justice department , made decision briefed president decision chain command works briefed signed operation went forward , president accepts full responsibility q chain command analogy , want go back sessions moment know plan came reno , presented around involvement \? involvement \? ms myers , 'd go justice department specific interaction attorney general director q president stand behind director sessions \? ms myers supports , n't know many different ways say supports decisions made justice department fbi fully supports attorney general i'm stepping away director fbi , want janet reno one briefed , one made decisions head justice department know , director fbi reports attorney general attorney general made decision informed president decisions n't raise objections , accepts full responsibility q , based know white house , concerns william performance ms myers nothing suggest , q along lines , initial review situation , much think problems might come justice department 's fully staffed fbi director still quite uncertain status \? ms myers n't think anything think agents ground operation went forward i'm going speculate q white house express alarm janet reno chose speak live network media chose speak clinton \? ms myers carrying forward responsibility inform public events yesterday think admirable job president agrees q sunday , often president briefed situation waco \? ms myers kept updated regular basis , daily basis q briefed president \? ms myers well , i'm going get exactly , conversations , kept date events waco daily briefings number issues q , , regular briefing conducted white house staff person , justice department person \? ms myers 's briefed regularly white house staff number issues , i'm going get exactly briefs subjects q another subject \? q another subject q 're going gays military \( laughter \) ms myers welcome q close signing biodiversity treaty \? ms myers know , president 's giving speech earth day tomorrow 'll say q details speech yet \? ms myers 's 11 30 n't know yet q dee dee , major policy address \? would characterize speech tomorrow \? ms myers would characterize earth day speech would n't look major past positions things , , n't want get much 's going talk tomorrow q campus \? q location outside white house \? ms myers somewhere washington n't know exactly yet q dee dee , foreign leaders president talked since friday situation bosnia \? ms myers prime minister major , 'll try reach president morning q david owen said yesterday joe biden said today agree peace process going work , serbs going sign administration still believe work sign \? ms myers obviously , ultimate goal sort peaceful resolution conflict bosnia know , administration considering wide variety options point situation around srebrenica rest eastern bosnia quite serious president meet bosnian advisors today continue press forward q question 're going try deciding whether peace plan remains viable \? ms myers , 'll reviewing number options , including peace plan q group 's meeting today include reg bartholomew \? ms myers n't believe 's among usual secretary christopher , secretary aspin , general powell q dee dee , anything apparent encounter u f bosnia today aircraft violating fly zone \? ms myers , n't 'll get back q president meeting every one leaders coming town holocaust museum \? ms myers 'll meeting , know , havel today tomorrow , rest group tomorrow afternoon q group , one one \? ms myers believe 's group , havel asked meetings early agenda quite time meet foreign heads state q dee dee , president decided whether supports gay lesbian civil rights act \? anything worked address march sunday \? ms myers think 'll probably letter kind statement march n't worked exact details q live phone hook \? ms myers probably , given logistics getting boston speech , know , 4 00 p answer part question , , n't taken position q said speech boston 4 00 p \? ms myers believe , yes q know 's \? ms myers 'll still working q general vessey 's coming back tonight vietnam meeting president \? ms myers specific meeting scheduled 'll talk point see look forward report , exactly 'll make report unclear q 's going come immediately white house \? ms myers q aids czar close \? ms myers still working q drug czar \? q expect march \? ms myers n't time line q president ask senator mitchell try lloyd cutler ploy break filibuster \? ms myers n't believe q \? ms myers 's going q senate democrats hour \? ms myers , 's tomorrow tomorrow 9 30 q update stimulus , possible scaling ms myers know , senate vote amendments today 'll continue talk president committed kind jobs package 'd like see passed 'll continue conversations throughout day see end q briefing give us word speaker whatever whether president 's talked janet reno \? ms myers 'll happy q 's become pressing question last several hours ms myers , minute 've , n't chance follow , helen q opinion \? ms myers mean , obviously , prefers offered compromise package 12 2 billion believes 's best alternative , believes 's obviously willing take second look package think senate vote today , 're hopeful president 's bill , mitchell amendment , one approved q dee dee , white house official march sunday \? ms myers somebody representing president n't know yet q well , decided 's going address \? going videotape phone call \? ms myers think probably letter , n't final decision yet q official read letter , sounds like \? ms myers correct q lloyd bentsen came morning know \? waco thing \? ms myers , actually n't may come , economic issues q health care 17th may still target \? ms myers 's still target q 's talk joint session congress speech end may ms myers n't resolved exactly president present health care plan people would n't rule option , decisions made end10 08 edt
daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) subject st1100 ride keywords heavy organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 86 frank marvin contex com \( frank perdicaro \) writes well wrong sat st , feet , could think big put one foot heavy came mind quickly cindy back back \? hard tell seat three times large hawk seat bike seemed nearly control idling side road heavy , 91 mid 600 's dry , one major st 3000 rpm second gear , weight seemed even say monster test drive sold bike , lot 's bite anywhere 2500 gear bike 4 1 miles odometer , slippery new tires , pads abs tcs version \? cindy difficulty speed 3rd gear , 4th gear , along top gear thing less low rpm grunt hawk lane changes new experience big required move thing responds well though wallowing complaint behind fairing fairly quiet , helmet buffeting market fairing windshield 100 00 raises bubble 6 inches heads , hurts looks bike non trivial top gear car passing 85mph nearly effortless smooth , smooth , smooth sure v4 sound reminds , pleasant essence bike , move throttle accelerates gear anywhere anytime , frequently find dod min casual passing maneuver jump 133 caused less impressed brakes hill , reversing , twice reversing radius , decreasing radius turn real squeeze needed front binder function weight , brake , actually tested cycle world expert rider st stopped faster comparable models bmw , yamaha even extra weight gas section 133 tight , urban st works ok section , shows weight went clam shack must countersteer st every turn movement short classic wiggle forget ever leaning turn must every turn responds nicely half way , yanked cindy 's wrist , hold tight head check left , time find redline second gear gives good shove third fourth sees dod speed short shift top way 133 saw cops light traffic cross dod zone bike new well , 25 miles , ok tried high effort lane changes , wide sweeping turns time wick \? went buffeting pull us seat stayed comfortable wind steering , looked find indicated bad 2 touring faster 've ever gone , 'd hate buy bike short break period thread st cars edge concrete pad front heavy took way much effort cindy put thing center stand sure used side stand st would side within minute true , side stand well designed weight hold bike nicely dirt able easily get bike center stand , step stand instead pulling bike demo opinion \? heavy put diet smooth , comfortable , hardly notices dod speed 'd buy 3000 less list , like much bike keep looking 91 left available going 72 love mine n't found better value st 7500 remember get 3 years unlimited mileage warranty
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject clinton press release clipper chip encryption initiative lines 51 organization university tennessee division continuing education article life ai mit edu clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) writes statement press secretary initiative involve creation new products accelerate development use advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links state art microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents new approach encryption technology used new , relatively inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications using encryption algorithm powerful many commercial use today new technology help companies protect proprietary information , protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal , state local law enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals also allowing law enforcement agencies intercept phone conversations criminals non criminals \( , rev king , n't spying \) wonder long take wrong people put hands equipment necessary read stuff 'll probably safe weapons locked safely evidence rooms keys , numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured , two keys deposited separately two key escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap people sell takes corrupting right guy , never happens david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject blue led 's organization u wisconsin madison college engineering distribution sci electronics lines 36 article ecf toronto edu gladman ecf toronto edu \( gladman aviv \) writes order emit blue light , semiconductor must band gap energy within region 2 6 2 8 electron volts according physical electronics prof , ca n't get led band gap 's n't find blue leds , matter , colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light led blue plastic covering n't emit much light um 1 \) professor plain wrong although blue leds one heck lot less efficient red ones 2 \) typical visible light leds n't really exist leds fairly narrow region \( since fermi energy around either side band gap falls exponentially , blah , blah \) source solid state electronic devices \( ben g , 3d ed , prentice hall \) might want check copyright date \) blue leds certainly exist , 've got bunch work research makes \( probably along companies big materials science , though advertise stuff like physics today , etc \) buy \( think \) , digikey \( definitely \) , plenty distributors actually , days get typical visible light led 's called rainbow led , 've forgotten makes \( advertise edn many trade rags , though \) combines reg , green , blue led one chip \( four leads \) nifty device , although 's probably fairly expensive joel kolstad
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otol fi \( \) subject real 3d nntp posting host janus otol fi reply otol fi organization oulu institute technology lines 12 earlier today read ad real 3d animation ray tracing software looked convincing however , n't amiga began wonder , 's pc version , anyone seen used real 3d dos \? \? every word true , 2d 409 except lies oulu otol fi douglas adams
subject write clinton rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 17 transfer stratus com cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes 've reading sci crypt , alt privacy clipper comp org eff talk discussions clipper chip find \( usual \) us think alike 's lot messages sent clinton well net \( instead net \) , might actually effect 0005895485 mcimail com \( white house \) 've already written 5000 char commentary \( mci mail account , ca n't accused hacker \) arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject stan fischler , 4 22 organization university toronto chemistry department lines 25 article 1993apr24 news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes roger neilson property among rumours , 's 1 candidate coach flyers , bring along colin campbell assistant would dumb move nineties lindros big strong give ball chain one leg anchor drag along actively scouting phoenix new team 94 95 hey , nick jimmy buy devils fix , please ! gld pocklington gets first ! \( actually , pocklington n't get better deal , would probably go hamilton taking team canada would get whole country mad taking team hamilton would n't get anybody mad n't mad already would make lot friends southern ontario many whining stupid politicians edmonton spoiled fans would n't noticed edmonton would gerald
cpqhou se hou compaq com \( jay \) subject rocket types organization compaq computer corp lines 13 article wraith cs uow edu au , wraith cs uow edu au \( glen justin balmer \) says message id wraith cs uow edu au , anybody heard particle system \? thanx 8 \) glen balmer believe former employer hughes aircraft company working ion propulsion system satellites jay
ph gmr com \( richard \) subject using xt pwr organization general motors corp lines 22 distribution world reply ph gmr com \( richard \) nntp posting host gmr com planning upgrading old xt compatible system new motherboard , hard drive , 1 4 mb floppy interested using old power supply \( 150 w \) power new hardware , possible told motherboard vendor could probably use supply twelve wires going motherboard \( apparently xt vintage supplies 11 wires 12th wire 5v line used charge motherboard battery \) question anybody tried bringing additional wire 11 wire supply using auxiliary power source charge motherboard battery \? wish buy entirely new power supply make use existing one simple hacks thank information email reply gmr com would fine larry
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject put hd distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 27 04 21 93 04 50 , r x getter unmitigated gall say rg may dumb question , need put hard drive rg father 's pc xt , either mfm , rll , ide know hook , rg tell computer geometry drive 386 , rg set bios , doubt 's 's done xt xt ide controllers responsible keeping track drive geometry getting information computer controller may come software update board bios , may designed work particular drive seagate drives usually special controllers use xt 's , drive also , cannot low level format ide drive low level format stored magnetic areas disk surface called \( like electronic use term \) need higher recording bias drive 's recording heads generate n't try low level format ide drive ! p e people eating tasty animals blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
paladin world std com \( thomas g schlatter \) subject dos window macros organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution usa lines 17 article 1993apr27 csd newshost stanford edu herrod cs stanford edu \( stephen herrod \) writes anyone know program record keyboard sequences windowed dos box \? would like something starts telnet program logs accounts windows recorder n't seem able record key sequences thanks , steve think would need dos macro program \( borland \? \) comes mind n't think windows capable sending keystrokes dos window want sounds like security problem , though tom paladin world std com
campbers craft clarkson edu \( bob campbell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 17 vishnepolsky r rogers lines 15 reply vax cns muskingum edu disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host campbers bocaraton ibm com organization ibm boca raton hey larry , comp sci major never crash damn computer cs dept teach good programmer one assembly programs ever machine crash protection marketing gimick , n't funny 4 months using windows new machine 've crash , n't run mill configuration bother putting stupid posts ignorant bob campbell clarkson university , ny campbers craft clarkson edu
dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) subject mvp '92 revisited keywords mlb , 04 20 organization department industrial engineering lines 93 tim shippert recently posted summaries last year 's defensive average stats terms linear weights estimated run value defensive performances , compared league average 've combined position adjusted mlv numbers come first approximation total run values players last year use mvp award major caveats numbers include defensive park adjustment , san diego really question odd scoring gopher holes infield , cause inaccuracies offensive numbers position adjusted , park adjusted , deflate inflate others fair finally , still n't know catchers , idea evaluate defensive contributions tony phillips roberts said , still surprises let 's look national league first numbers total runs contributed season player offense defense total sandberg 44 32 76 bonds 67 3 70 walker 26 26 52 justice 14 33 47 daulton 44 \? \? 44 \? larkin 36 4 40 grace 13 27 40 see , legitimate mvp candidates last season deflate sandberg 's offense wee bit playing wrigley , get essentially dead heat bonds usual defensive self , would n't close , apparently n't case darren daulton needs 22 defensive runs make offensive difference , could n't tell whether 's easy impossible good case could made sandberg , bonds , daulton top dude personal vote bonds , sandberg , daulton , walker , justice american league player offense defense total ventura 22 34 56 martinez 47 1 46 b anderson 21 25 46 thomas 47 5 42 r henderson 25 16 41 raines 17 23 40 tettleton 33 \? \? 33 \? ok , let 's see show hands many picked robin ventura top player al last year \? certainly n't , 'd hard time arguing point yes , know numbers approximate , 's big gap 2 guy also , thought rickey henderson stank last year minds , 's catcher ointment calling game important might , 23 runs easy make \( give away \) take guess , folks n't think better personal vote \( excluding pitchers \) ventura , tettleton , anderson , martinez , henderson i'm big frank thomas fan , admit bias favor balanced offensive defensive contribution , higher leverage w l record equal shift lots offense negative defense record carlos baerga 27 5 32 roberto alomar 35 2 33 forget 's wash let also take opportunity admit grossly wrong regarding mattingly 's defense past season recovered weak '90 '91 end mattingly 1 17 16 runs clearly average first baseman however , 's still 18 runs behind mark mcgwire , 26 runs behind frank thomas , 7 runs behind john olerud hand , 's ahead rafael , cecil fielder , every al first baseman yet mentioned david tate \( dtate pitt edu \) greetings , sir , bat quick member iie , orsa , tims , sabr hands soft , eye discerning denver call slugger \? big catullus galarraga compare mattingly ! \?
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 12 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , dianem boi hp com \( diane mathews \) says aside fact disagree w , offer resign president rejected offer willing take responsibility , president balls enough stand decision contempt ignore
fuchs tsar princeton edu \( ira h fuchs \) subject removing battery corrosion originator news nimaster nntp posting host palace princeton edu reply fuchs tsar princeton edu organization princeton university lines 4 readily available solvent good job removing corrosion collects battery terminals \( usually cathode \) using alkaline batteries \( accurately , using long time \) \?
ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization nasa lewis research center lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host ariel lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 20apr93 vax clarku edu , hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however , policy trying speed games agree nick 's big deal long games \? want watch baseball , 's much baseball watch yes , baseball includes space plays well plays hesitate make assumptions people write , neither two sound though kids , may spouses either consider night game starting 7 05 pm est \( 7 35 last year , cleveland showed thought good sense pushing back \) go , i'm 11 pm minimum extra innings could put well past midnight even without extra innings , score beyond 2 1 ca n't see family night next day , may bag well , later game goes , colder gets shore lake erie stuff enters consideration even going game say n't care whether game sped , saying n't care time goes , game people n't families n't get work next day rg play better anyone 's one barry bonds , playing two movies
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject pre american population levels organization zuma distribution world lines 260 article ipp garching mpg de bds uts ipp garching mpg de \( bruce scott \) writes gave good reference \( please , author plymouth \? \) could given travel accounts radiating someone incapable providing single scholarly source apology , rather amusing , non existent list scholars scholarly sources \? mine appropriate analogy jewish holocaust might systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted least 30 40 percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated eye witnessed atrocities published u 1926 title 'men like ' references abound \( rachel bortnick jewish times june 21 , 1990 \) soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul power tear away veil illusion us create certainly possible severe artificial life support system imagined 'ethnic purity' us falsely trust structure support heart beats alien 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heyeti nizamnamesi , \( istanbul , 1912 \) meray , l \( trans ed \) lozan baris konferansi tutanaklar belgeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) , 2 vols meray , l olcay \( ed \) osmanli imparatorlugu'nun cokus belgeleri mondros birakismasi , sevr andlasmasi , ilgili belgeler , \( ankara , 1977 \) \( osmanli devleti , dahiliye nezareti \) aspirations et agissements revolutionnaires des comites armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la constitution ottomane , \( istanbul , 1917 \) ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra , \( istanbul , 1916 \) idare umumiye vilayet kanunu , \( istanbul , 1913 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v \( istanbul , 1914 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v ii \( istanbul , 1915 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iii \( istanbul , 1916 \) muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi , v iv \( istanbul , 1917 \) \( osmanli devleti , hariciye nezareti \) imtiyazat ecnebiyye'nin lagvindan dolayi memurine teblig olunacak talimatname , \( istanbul , 1915 \) \( osmanli devleti , harbiye nezareti \) islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat , \( istanbul , 1919 \) \( iv ordu \) aliye divan harbi orfisinde tedkik olunan mesele yi siyasiye hakkinda izahat , \( istanbul , 1916 \) turkozu , h k \( ed \) osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi , \( ankara , 1982 \) turkiye buyuk millet meclisi gizli celse zabitlari , \( ankara , 1985 \) , 4 vols russia adamof , e e \( ed \) sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyle anadolu'nun taksimi plani , \( tran h rahmi , ed h mutlucag \) , \( istanbul , 1972 \) altinay , r iki komite iki kital , \( istanbul , 1919 \) kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler , \( istanbul , 1919 \) turkiye 'de katolik propagandasi , turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi , v xiv 82 5 \( sept 1924 \) asaf muammer harb mesulleri , \( istanbul , 1918 \) akboy , c birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , v osmanli imparatorlugu'nun siyasi askeri hazirliklari harbe girisi , \( gn kur , ankara , 1970 \) akgun , general harbord'un anadolu gezisi \( ermeni meselesi'ne dair \) raporu kurtulus savasi baslangicinda , \( istanbul , 1981 \) akin , turk devrim tarihi , \( istanbul , 1983 \) aksin , jon turkler ittihad terakki , \( istanbul , 1976 \) basar , z \( ed \) ermenilerden gorduklerimiz , \( ankara , 1974 \) ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) belen , f birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi , \( ankara , 1964 \) deliorman , turklere karsi ermeni komitecileri , \( istanbul , 1980 \) ege , n n \( ed \) prens sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari , \( istanbul , 1977 \) ercikan , ermenilerin bizans osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri , \( ankara , 1949 \) gurun , k 'ermeni sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir \? ' , turk tarihinde ermeniler sempozyumu , \( izmir , 1983 \) hocaoglu , arsiv vesikalariyla tarihte ermeni mezalimi ermeniler , \( istanbul , 1976 \) karal , e osmanli tarihi , v v \( 1983 , 4th ed \) v vi \( 1976 , 2nd ed \) v vii \( 1977 , 2nd ed \) v viii \( 1983 , 2nd ed \) ankara kurat , osmanli imparatorlugu'nun paylasilmasi , \( ankara , 1976 \) orel , yuca ermenilerce talat pasa'ya atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu , \( ankara , 1983 \) also english translation ahmad , f young turks committee union progress turkish politics , \( oxford , 1969 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 52 rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article 1993apr22 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes poster treated liscenced physician disease exist calling physician quack reprehensible steve see others well believe quacks exist \? quack diagnoses \? licensed physician enough guarantee someone quack , even licensed physician quack , people n't say \? give example commonly diagnosed ailment think quack diagnosis , gotten point civilization longer need worry unscrupulous healers taking advantage people david rind sure quacks quacks n't treat quacks treat one 's refuse diagnose ones diagnose improperly lucky quacks unlucky quacks smart quacks dumb ones people ahead time , unproven theories ill reasoned , absurd , theorists sometimes 's hard tell 's reading book ancient jokes seems doctors called doctors quacks babylon arguments abound n't firm answers plenty illnesses n't , ca n't , diagnosed treated think 's better argue theory , originally done postings candida month ago stating facts usually works better simply asserting opinion someone 's competency ca n't convince everybody sometimes correct diagnosis takes years people n't run doctor recognizes disease , n't developed something recognizable yet , something one going recognize , n't described yet sometimes get cure , sometimes illness wears , sometimes stumble improper diagnosis right treatment , sometimes find 's incurable profit patient accepting hopeless attitude illness unless 's rock solid diagnosis terminal disease 's like ly person find cure keep looking jackie
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject new study gay percentage organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 44 article 1993apr20 8748 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( caifone \) writes certainly hope n't , sir , supposed signify \? prefer person , euphemism heard thankfully , got gender right deviant disparaging towards political minorities , sexual deviants comprise political minorit shred self respect , 'd door associate girls indeed self respect find sort would inclined head door account views regarding aberrant behavior known homosexuality , would encourage indeed , would advise let door whack backside way needs airhead \? pretty soon find retreating back closet belong n't count , sweetheart oh , ca n't anything count , inevitable , part natural order things throughout history , nature always asserted n't arrogant assume foolish misguided generation change nature man practically every generation failed greater men n't able certainly happen , matter much may wish pretend otherwise moreover , i'm sweetheart views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
freud arc nasa gov \( chuck fry \) subject v4 engines nntp posting host freud arc nasa gov organization technologies , code , nasa ames , moffett field , ca lines 21 article 1993apr23 mit edu singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) writes n't saab v4 \? recall someone telling something like 1 2 ford 289 \( correct spelling \) , 95 wagon 96 sedan used 1500 cc 1700 cc v 4 ford germany particular motor 60 degree vee angle , balance shaft exhaust ports motor later stretched v 6 commonly seen capri v 4 could make pretty reasonable power size saab , made much torque transmission , designed 3 cylinder 2 stroke chuck fry , former iii owner chuck fry freud arc nasa gov space rent alone bear responsibility claptrap
csc calpoly edu \( \) subject request gyro \( souvlaki \) sauce article rat 1993apr26 organization humanity lines 13 nntp posting host csc calpoly edu got recipe greek island use spread bread excellent gyro 's well way , actual name recipe yoghurt , chopped garlic , chopped cucumber , salt , white pepper , little olive oil little vinegar would love hear good greek recipes jon walker oboe calpoly edu
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject mystery ron gant organization biochemistry lines 83 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article news duke edu fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) writes article 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) writes experts want analyze ron gant \? sure needs analyze gant head case , , six seven years majors , 's put together combined total maybe one good season \? lacks self confidence , worse , n't really understand baseball curiously , seems perform best job threatened sit game , might get hit next night let play , thinking \? getting hits , driving runs \? , 's worried 's going get 30 stolen bases , career home run appears learning curve never figured play third base \( fiasco \) still plays outfield legs 's lucky 's fast , enables outrun mistakes \( , suggested earlier season , looks like 's slowing little bit , else every infield dirt little extra \) gant way much chance already may get hot couple months , 'll always revert true level gant 's ml record age 28 season year g ab ba obp slg hr sb cs 1987 21 83 265 271 386 2 4 2 1988 146 563 259 317 439 19 19 10 3rd base year 1989 75 260 177 237 335 9 9 6 1990 152 575 303 357 539 32 33 16 1991 154 251 338 496 32 34 15 1992 153 544 259 321 415 17 32 10 majors parts 6 seasons , total playing time approx 4 5 seasons looking hitting record , 's 2 seasons ops greater 800 , pretty good 1988 season pretty decent rookie 2b move third base explains lot 1989 returned , began hitting course , last year learning curve \? obviously improved batting eye years , well sb cs ratio fielding , infielder drafted , came braves system , braves put 2 position changes space year 's adequate , although great , least perception fielding colored watching learn play ml level \( know 're another long term braves fan \) playing 3b imo , 's 2nd difficult position field , catcher ss 2b , need range speed , 3b , 've got quick reflexes gun arm second chances 3b , even playing softball ! granted , 'd still put best overall infielder ss , 's gets chances , job harder still amazes many teams tried convert position players 3b maybe 's supply natural 3b scarce finally , gant player puts pressure perform well , works hard improve n't get amazingly huge arms relatively small body without lot weight work , whether 's days may valid question , question whether tries hard make something happen bat frankly , player going live potential , 'd much rather fail trying hard , trying hard enough might able teach relaxation adult age n't believe teach hustle said , n't think 'd sign gant another long term contract 's 28 , think 's free agent eligible 2 years , 'll 30 given career curve limitations , would n't expect last much past 35 ml ballplayer might surprise , atlanta 's got talent farm , 'd rather take chances road nieves et al eric
garrett ingres com subject watergate \( temper tantrums 1960 's summary wars vs police actions news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division distribution usa lines 58 article 1993apr20 346 oracle us oracle com , mfriedma us oracle com \( michae writes article 1993apr19 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes article netcom com , phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes article 1993apr17 pony ingres com garrett ingres com writes well really n't matter anyway really n't care liars think anyway \? call liars \? want proof \? 'd glad provide i'm really sure ones said things since sound anyway one said nixon n't start secret wars lie nixon full knowledge invasions cambodia , lied american public note , however , military actions wars joke ! ca n't actually believe said \? bombed invaded countries notice definition war \( american heritage dictionary \) 1 \) state period armed conflict nations states qualifies invasions cambodia wars one said nixon n't use office presidency personal gain lie senate committee issued indictment listed nixon 's crimes relevant ones 1 \) violating oath office 2 \) abusing presidential powers excuse , neither refer personal gain let explain really slowly abuse powers position \? could gain personal political power \? naw , would obvious , 're big thing mistook prc people 's republic cambodia since knew cambodia socialist time , since comment right middle conversation cambodia , made wrong assumption talking thing ah , garrett , anyone make assumptions meaning initials prc discussion asia ignorant anyone call names position ignorant desperate noticed edited points proved phil completely wrong death modifiers , declared one day , garrett johnson every letter passed hands went every garrett ingres com adjective next day made war articles following day blacked everything letters , , joseph heller 's catch 22
steve ecf toronto edu \( steve kotsopoulos \) subject x intel based unix frequently asked questions faq summary x options intel based unix \( sysv 386 , 386bsd , linux , mach \) reply steve ecf toronto edu organization university toronto , engineering computing facility expires tue , 1 jun 1993 04 00 00 gmt lines 530 archive name intel unix x faq last modified 30 mar 1993 note major organization \( replacement \) frequently asked questions x386 faq list article includes answers \) options x software intel based unix system \? 1 free options 2 commercial options ii \) xfree86 get \? 3 xfree86 \? 4 oss supported \? 5 video hardware supported \? 6 accelerated boards \? 7 n't xfree86 support 16 color vga modes \? 8 hardware software requirements \? 9 get source xfree86 \? 10 get binaries xfree86 \? iv \) general things know running xfree86 \? 11 installation directories 12 configuration files 13 determining vga dot clocks monitor modes 14 rebuilding server link kit v \) os specific things know running xfree86 \? 15 svr4 16 svr3 17 386bsd 18 linux 19 mach vi \) things know building xfree86 source \? vii \) anything special building clients xfree86 \? 20 bsd compatibility library 21 ansiccoptions article include answers general x questions , since already covered x faq regularly posted david b lewis faq craft uunet uu net anything add change faq let know \( especially problem someone else able help \) send changes steve ecf toronto edu , please put somewhere subject line mail filter put correct mail folder please ask questions answered faq time respond individually instead , post question net , send question answer together get frequently asked questions x intel based unix \( answers \) \) options x software intel based unix system \? 1 free options best option xfree86 , enhanced version x386 1 2 version x386 slower performance , difficult compile information obtain xfree86 listed x386 port x11 server system v 386 done thomas roell \( roell sgcs com \) supports wide variety svga boards 2 major free versions x386 1 1 based x11r4 , x386 1 2 included mit 's x11r5 distribution \( ie n't need patch mit source \) x386 1 3 current commercial offering sgcs \( see \) 2 commercial options 1 \) metro link 2213 w road beach , fl \( 305 \) 970 7353 fax \( 305 \) 970 email sales metrolink com summary os qnx , svr3 , svr4 , sco , , , desqview x , , isc , solaris , pyramid , sunos hw ega , vga , svga , tiga , targa , 8514 , mach , s3 , wd , , matrox , graphics , motif , openlook xview , imaging extension , xv video extension , audio drivers , multi media 2 \) sgcs \( graphics consulting services \) 894 lane cupertino , ca 95014 \( 800 \) 645 , \( 408 \) 255 fax \( 408 \) 255 email info sgcs com ! mips ! zok ! info summary os svr3 2 , svr4 hw 8514 \( ati ultra \) , s3 \( diamond stealth \) , svga motif , dual headed server 3 \) consensys corporation 1301 pat rd universal city , tx phone 1 800 388 1896 fax 1 416 940 email info consensys com summary os consensys v4 2 , version unix system v release 4 2 hw x11r4 server support vga , svga moolit , motif , x11r5 clients 4 \) santa cruz operation , inc p box 1900 santa cruz , california \( 408 \) 425 , \( 800 \) sco unix , fax \( 408 \) 458 email info sco com summary os odt 1 1 , odt 2 0 , sco unix 3 hw x11r4 server support svga , 8514 , s3 , , , , assorted local bus \( see sco hardware guide actual card vendors \) motif 5 \) answer software consulting p box columbus , ohio 614 263 email sales com summary os coherent 4 0 greater hw works vesa compliant video note commercial vendors \( including os vendors describing bundled software \) welcome submit summary information summary information ii \) xfree86 get \? 3 xfree86 \? xfree86 enhanced version x386 1 2 , distributed x11r5 release consists many bug fixes , speed improvements , enhancements highlights enhancements 1 \) speedup package glenn lai integral part xfree86 , selectable run time via xconfig file speedups require et4000 based svga , others require virtual screen width 1024 speedups suitable configuration selected default high quality et4000 board \( vram \) , yield 40 improvement xstones benchmark x386 1 2 2 \) packages jim tsillas included default operating mode speedup selected mode equivalent performance x386 1 1b \( x11r4 \) , approximately 20 faster x386 1 2 3 \) support , compile time selectable server , clients , support svr3 2 svr4 svr4 0 4 compatibility , local connections sco xsight odt clients supported 4 \) drivers ati trident tvga8900c tvga9000 svga chipsets refer files readme ati readme trident details ati trident drivers 5 \) support compressed bitmap fonts added \( thomas 's code contrib directory export lcs mit edu \) 6 \) type1 font code mit contrib tape included , compile time selectable contributed type1 fonts contrib directory export lcs mit edu 7 \) new configuration method allows server 's drivers font renderers source binary distributions 8 \) integrated support 386bsd , mach , linux 9 \) monochrome version server run generic vga cards included following key features added release xfree86 1 2 \( xfree86 1 1 \) 1 \) monochrome server enhanced bank switching available svga memory allow virtual screens \( see x386 \( 1 \) manual page information \) 2 \) support hercules mono card added monochrome server , ability support two headed server one vga , one hercules far tested svr4 \( also reported work linux \) 3 \) svr3 shared libraries , tested isc svr3 2 2 3 0 1 4 \) support svr4 2 \( special considerations consider , due new usl bugs see readme svr4 file information \) 5 \) support ps 2 mice , logitech \( versions devices previously compatible \) 6 \) new tutorial develop correct video card monitor timing data , written eric raymond \( derived previous documentation lot experimentation \) 7 \) greatly improved support international keyboards , including implementation compose key functionality found many vendor servers \( see \( 1 \) manual page information \) 8 \) accuracy server detects svga pixel clocks improved , timings stored accuracies 0 1 mhz users may want consider removing existing clocks line xconfig file probing using new server 9 \) many enhancements error handling parsing xconfig configuration file error messages much informative intuitive , validation done many new options enabled xconfig file \( see x386 \( 1 \) manual page information format file \) plus number small things refer file source distribution full details also included tutorial monitor timing eric raymond , current x386 mode database sample xdm configuration david wexelblat 4 oss supported \? xfree86 supports svr4 2 consensys v4 2 svr4 0 , dell , esix , isc , , mst , consensys , uhc svr3 isc 2 2 3 0 , 2 2 linux , mach 386 , 386bsd 0 1 bsd 386 supported , work active bsd 386 person greg de note esix 3 2d sco supported yet , anyone feel free submit patches interested tackling , send mail xfree86 physics su oz au 5 video hardware supported \? time , xfree86 1 2 supports following svga chipsets tseng et4000 tseng et3000 paradise pvga1 western digital wd90c00 , , \( pvga1 , use driver \) genoa gvga trident tvga8900c , tvga9000 ati 18800 , 28800 supported 256 color monochrome modes , exception ati chipsets , supported 256 color mode monochrome server also supports generic vga cards , using 64k video memory single bank , hercules card et3000 , 64k video memory supported monochrome server , gvga tested 64k appears svga card manufacturers going non traditional mechanisms selecting pixel clock frequencies avoid modify server accommodate schemes xfree86 1 2 adds support using external program select pixel clock allows programs written new mechanisms discovered refer readme file information programs work , need write one develop program , xfree86 team would interested including future xfree86 releases purchasing new hardware purpose using xfree86 , suggested purchase et4000 based board orchid prodesigner iis avoid recent diamond boards xfree86 work , diamond wo n't provide programming details fact , xfree86 project actively supporting new diamond products , long policies remain effect contributions code accepted \( potential liabilities \) would like see change , tell diamond people asked xfree86 would work local bus eisa video cards theoretically , means communication cpu video card irrelevant xfree86 compatibility could isa , eisa , local bus matter chipset video card unfortunately , developers n't lot access eisa vlb machines , largely untested theory however , yet see reports things working one buses several reports xfree86 working fine 6 accelerated boards \? time , support xfree86 accelerated boards like s3 , ati ultra \( 8514 \) , tiga , etc support available commercial products sgcs metrolink \( svr3 svr4 \) s3 server available 386bsd linux contact hasty netcom com 386bsd jon robots ox ac uk linux beta 8514 server available linux contact martin cs unc edu jon robots ox ac uk note servers part xfree86 7 n't xfree86 support 16 color vga modes \? reason supported way vga implements 16 color modes 256 color modes , byte frame buffer memory contains 1 pixel 16 color modes implemented bit planes byte frame buffer memory contains 1 bit 8 pixels , four planes mit frame buffer code designed deal vga handled 16 color modes packing 2 4 bit pixels byte , mit code could modified support \( already may i'm sure \) vga way things , complete new frame buffer implementation required beta testers looking , nothing yet available project 8 hardware software requirements \? obviously , supported svga board os required run x efficiently , 12 16mb memory considered minimum various binary releases take 10 40mb disk space , depending os \( e g whether supports shared libraries \) build sources , least 80mb free disk space required , although 120mb considered comfortable lower bound 9 get source xfree86 \? source patches current version \( 1 2 , based x11r5 mit \) , available via anonymous ftp export lcs mit edu \( contrib xfree86 \) ftp physics su oz au \( xfree86 \) ftp win tue nl \( pub xfree86 \) \( rest faq , 3 location called ftp \) refer readme file specified directory information files need get build distribution 10 get binaries xfree86 \? binaries available via anonymous ftp ftp physics su oz au svr4 binaries xfree86 svr4 ftp win tue nl svr4 binaries pub xfree86 svr4 ucsb edu svr4 binaries pub svr4 xfree86 bradley edu svr4 binaries pub xfree86 svr4 utexas edu svr3 \( isc \) binaries pub isc ftp prz tu berlin de svr3 \( isc \) binaries pub pc isc xfree86 tsx 11 mit edu linux binaries pub linux packages x11 agate berkeley edu 386bsd binaries pub 386bsd 0 1 ports xfree86 ftp cs uwm edu mach binaries i386 ensure getting xfree86 1 2 sites may archive older releases well binary distribution contain readme file describes files need take archive , compile time option selections made building distribution iv \) general things know running xfree86 \? 11 installation directories top level installation directory specified projectroot \( usr x386 , default \) variable config site def binaries , include files , libraries installed projectroot bin , include , lib changed rebuilding sources , modified via symbolic links oss support directory nonstandard , chosen way allow xfree86 installed alongside commercial vendor supplied x implementation 12 configuration files xfree86 server reads configuration file \( xconfig \) startup search path , contents syntax file documented server , consulted asking questions 13 determining vga dot clocks monitor modes david e wexelblat \( dwex mtgzfs3 att com \) maintains database known clock settings vga cards monitor settings database installed usr x386 lib x11 etc txt , source tree mit server ddx x386 etc database also available \( latest copy \) , kept export lcs mit edu contrib x386 z , updated occasionally obtain copy database might settings need create new settings , please send david inclusion database n't help , doc \( eric raymond \) file xfree86 contains tutorials come timings may helpful start settings almost work , use description get right , send information david wexelblat inclusion database note old program supported , completely unnecessary need determine dot clock values new board , remove line xconfig file \( present \) , start server server probe clocks print use values put line xconfig file , necessary , speed starting server future 14 rebuilding server link kit installed server binary link kit , possible reconfigure drivers font renderers server fully explained readme file available link kit v \) os specific things know running xfree86 \? first , server must installed root \( mode 4755 \) 15 svr4 wo n't xterm run properly \? kernel built consem module , define consem environment otherwise xterm wo n't run csh users use consem no' esix console driver patch known cause problems xfree86 recommended patch installed alternatively keymap fixed xmodmap 16 svr3 make sure look ftp readme isc , 's running 17 386bsd make sure look ftp readme 386bsd also , separate 386bsd faq maintained richard rich rice edu latest version available file xfree86 1 2 386bsd faq following ftp sites agate berkeley edu pub 386bsd 0 1 ports xfree86 1 2 wuarchive wustl edu 386bsd 0 1 ports xfree86 1 2 univ fr pub 386bsd 0 1 ports xfree86 1 2 18 linux must running linux 0 greater , 4 1 gcc jump libraries installed make sure binaries x386 , , xload xterm setuid root kernel n't tcp support compiled , 'll run server x pn default startup configuration assumes tcp available , change two files usr x386 bin startx usr x386 lib x11 xdm xservers , removing pn argument x386 make sure dev console either link dev major number 4 , minor number 0 also note dev console owned user running x , xterm permit console output redirection xdm properly change owner , startx wo n't running xdm rc local , need provide tty , example xdm dev console detailed information , please read file readme present distribution tsx 11 mit edu 19 mach make sure look ftp readme mach vi \) things know building xfree86 source \? section removed faq , since fully explained ftp readme os specific please look files information building xfree86 vii \) anything special building clients xfree86 \? 20 bsd compatibility library lot clients make use bsd functions like bcopy \( \) , etc default configuration files set link libxbsd contains emulation bcopy \( \) , \( \) , \( \) , \( \) , random \( \) , seed \( \) better way providing 'b' functions include x11 h source files call h provides macro definitions terms sysv functions linking vendor supplied library calls functions , link libxbsd 21 ansiccoptions something added allow developer get rid ansi ness defined default ccoptions without rewrite entire ccoptions line example , stock mit , 'd see something like ccoptions ansi o2 fwritable strings get rid ansi ness , developer would put ccoptions o2 fwritable strings imakefile change , would see default ansiccoptions ansi ccoptions o2 fwritable strings developer would put imakefile ansiccoptions get rid ansi ness \( many x clients die horrible death ansi \) effect even dramatic practice , ccoptions actually quite complex issue one must add \( ansiccoptions \) ' passcdebugflags definition xfree86 contact information ongoing development planning support coordinated xfree86 core team time core team consists original gang four david dawes dawes physics su oz au glenn lai glenn cs utexas edu jim tsillas jtsilla damon ccs northeastern edu david wexelblat dwex mtgzfs3 att com supporting non sysv operating systems robert baron robert baron ernst mach cs cmu edu mach rich rich rice edu 386bsd kodak com linux e mail sent xfree86 physics su oz au reach core team thanks people already sent corrections additions , especially david wexelblat \( one major contributors updates \) steve kotsopoulos p eng mail steve ecf toronto edu systems analyst bitnet steve ecf utoronto bitnet engineering computing facility uucp uunet ! utai ! ecf ! steve university toronto phone \( 416 \) 978
nswc navy mil \( robert \) subject image format conversion tool organization naval surface warfare center lines 17 hello , anyone know image format conversion tool convert raw \( 8 bit grey scale \) image gif tif format would great tool ran pc , windows application , supported formats , 'll happy anything works attn code robert dahlgren division , naval surface warfare center dahlgren , va 5000 \( 703 \) 663 249 fax \( 703 \) 663 email nswc navy mil 128 38 158 43
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject secret source announcement organization dsi uscrpac lines 25 article 1993apr23 cs aukuni ac nz pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) writes something similar happened ages ago working pgp used send short messages development issues simply test new features around time pgp \( certainly newer version \) unknown suddenly admin site using received request stop sending encrypted email almost way automatic scanner could found , since would n't known pgp must checked unknown data types message , tried , found could n't get past pem armour part , contacted sysadmin asked stop luckily current email carriers less picky goes networks \) sending encrypted traffic without government permission legal new zealand \? david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 32 1993apr23 cs tulane edu finnegan nrlssc navy mil writes article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? horizontally opposed 4 great idea , actually smooth running low center gravity also used honda , , porsches \( others \? \) kenneth finnegan nrlssc navy mil mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( mliggett iugold bitnet 'junk' collector , toys r us kid , antiauthoritarian , fan frogs , iguanas , herps
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton presidential statement waco organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 29 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 19 , 1993 statement president clinton deeply saddened loss life waco today thoughts prayers families david koresh 's victims law enforcement agencies involved waco siege recommended course action pursued today attorney general informed analysis judgment recommended proceed today 's action given risks maintaining previous policy indefinitely told attorney general thought right , stand decision
garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) subject waco burning organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 17 interesting , sometimes , listen u news seen eyes another country b b c world news service , short wave , originating london , reports survivor waco massacre states tank , making hole wall building , knocked kerosene lamp fire started attempts made people inside put fire , spread quickly anyone u heard anything similar u government spin doctors censoring information \? b b c news also reporting 20 died british citizens
oracle com subject misc car audio forsale nntp posting host us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 89 dcr \( high power pull cassette deck cd changer control \) features 18 w x 4 theft prevention chassis \( pull \) 24 station presets \( 18 fm , 6 \) optimum reception system iv \( fm circuitry auto high fm pulse noise \) dolby b nr key head release flexible internal front amp rear amp internal front amp internal rear amp auto reverse cassette mechanism manual seek tuning music sensor stereo mono \( fm \) , local switches metal tape switch din e easy installation lock sleeve night illumination dash light dimmer lead preset scan cd changer control random play tracks disc automatic manual search excellent condition manual asking 220 00 shipping yamaha 300 power amplifier \( car audio \) features selectable 2 mode power output 40w x 2 ch x 1 ch w extremely low distortion \( 0 1 thd \) low rfi circuit effectively eliminates radio frequency interference might arise dc dc conversion full protection circuitry protects amplifier potential damaged caused overload , short , dc leakage , excessive heat mis wiring input level adjustment allows complement system audio component gold plated rca jack ensures durable , optimum contact , even rugged road conditions remote power links entire system 's cassette receiver 's ot tuner 's power switch screw terminals allow simple wiring connections power fuse replacement simple , one step operation noise reduction circuitry effectively suppressed driving specifications continuous power output \( per channel , 4 ohms , 2 channels driven \) 0 1 thd , 20 hz 20khz 0 1 thd , 1 khz 40w 40w \( per channel , 4 ohms , 1 channels driven \) 0 1 thd , 20 hz 20khz \( \) 0 1 thd , 1 khz \( \) speaker impedance 4 8 ohms frequency response \( 1w , 4 ohms \) 10 hz 100 khz \( 0 , 1 \) signals noise ratio 105 db total harmonic distortion \( , 1 khz , 4 ohms , 24 khz , lpf \) 0 005 dimensions \( w x h x \) 200 x 50 x 156 mm weight 5 lbs 15 oz list price 250 00 one nicest cleanest amp even owned using two car , extra one n't really need bay area , like listen first , let know asking 150 00 firm shipping \( brand new box , never installed \) boston acoustic 861 seperates \( car audio speakers \) , 6 woofers seperate brand new box , never installed , 259 00 good guys asking 199 00 firm 2 8 mtx free air woofers , new box , never installed paid 49 00 good guys asking 70 00 firm box top line 5400 auto alarm 2 twin buttons remote \( patented electronic motion shock sensor , parking light flasher , ignition kill , panic mode , power door lock control , led flashing status light , arms doors , hood trunk , etc \) news box , 180 00 firm
cbnewsj cb att com \( r rashid \) subject sale 760 meg esdi drive , 2 meg dram organization distribution usa lines 19 sale 1 seagate esdi drive 760 meg 500 without controller friend tested controller says works 2 meg 70ns dram 3 48 please call \( 908 \) 219 email thanks ,
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject ip numbers ethernet cards organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 30 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 tigger \( djohnson moose uvm edu \) wrote hi ! possible either pin configuration software programming change ip numbers ethernet card \? thanks advance ! dave tigger ! djohnson moose uvm edu wonderful things ! ' dave c johnson think mean ethernet numbers 8 byte ethernet id unique electronic serial number \( esn \) assigned ethernet board existence physical layer concept ip address higher layer protocol analogy telephone service ip address phone number , particular wire pair cable pole \( unknown \) physical identification scheme \( number \) answer question \( assuming indeed meant ethernet number \) supposed possible change number course manufacturer always retro fit board , could hardly reason ever question actually referring ip address , definetly strictly software gordon lang
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization florida state university lines 36 keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) writes royc rbdc wsnc org \( roy crabtree \) writes article keng tunfaire keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) writes lotsa stuff taken bottom line due process served peaceful attempt serve warrant occurred peaceful attempt serve warrant met gunfire due process served branch davidians wanted way think chance see pictures agents jackets climbing roof breaking windows call peaceful \? believed , people , would attacked evil forces outside , found scores agents breaking compound would \? beliefs always determine actions beliefs may wrong point view make practical attempted stick needle would try stop believe would hurt , right would ignore certainly would saw sticking needle tree koresh may misguided , god knows jews masada died believed , three hebrews preferred die rather bow , daniel preferred die lion 's den rather stop praying god , christian prepared die faith koresh dying reason cause give children forces convinced evil events bizarre match beliefs darius
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 17 article 20apr93 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes agree nick 's big deal long games \? want watch baseball , 's much baseball watch yes , baseball includes space plays well plays n't really mind length games either want speed games sensible ways , 's fine however , object assertion baseball people \( whitey herzog , buck 've heard say \) games long hitters taking many pitches , strike zone needs expanded john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
stlombo eos acm rpi edu \( steve j lombardi \) subject please help amiga user find comfort windows organization voice fate lines 26 nntp posting host eos acm rpi edu night i'm amiga user day work windows 'd much comfortable windows two things 1 good personal information manager know calendar , address book , reminder list etc rolled one clean interface 2 good file manager poor standards one left right window allows file operations able launch programs interface would nice well text reading graphics viewing familiar directory opus amiga know i'm looking anyone steer towards ftp sight programs would make transition windows lot easier please reply via email rarely get read group thanks much ! would jerk \? know n't smoke steve lombardi drugs n't cocaine n't shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack n't even drink beer would fu \? would jerk \? know n't smoke steve lombardi drugs n't cocaine n't shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack n't even drink beer would
msi com \( barton wright \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely reply msi com organization molecular simulations inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted msi com nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 17 bruce \( cs tamu edu \) wrote another comment least ibm consultants trying help 've never heard microsoft sending customer engineers client 's organization help solve problems \( could wrong , common knowledge \) microsoft division called microsoft consulting ibm \( field engineers \) however , neither company sends consultants client sites companies charge high hourly rates site consulting unless client already paid annual service contract barton wright molecular simulations inc voice \( 617 \) 229 9800 msi com burlington , fax \( 617 \) 229
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject go hizbollah ii ! organization corporation open systems distribution world lines 31 news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes article 1993apr24 1 utxvms cc utexas edu , ifaz706 utxvms cc utexas edu \( noam tractinsky \) writes paraphrasing bit , every rocket hizbollah fires galilee , justify israel 's holding security zone noam want say agree noam point hope sides stop targeting civilians basil absolutely i'm sure civilians sides would pleased fighters \( military , guerilla , whatever \) would take argument elsewhere , find area somewhere , slug point , breath sigh relief cheer side struggle ah , fire armed folks nasty habit firing back simple terrorist could get hurt way tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
duncan \( nicholas duncan \) subject 's roger \? nntp posting host organization mpr teltech ltd lines 9 really feel need knowledgable hockey observer explain year 's playoffs mean , obviously superior toronto team best center best goalie league keeps losing gives \? stand misstatements 've made vice president dan quayle sam donaldson , 8 17 89 nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr ca
roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? organization new york university , school medicine lines 47 nntp posting host mchip00 med nyu edu mac utkvx bitnet \( richard j mcdougald \) writes since 's \( really \) thing decent raster vector conversion program , tracing technique simple stuff , like b w logos , etc pretty well , complicated stuff goes haywire first thing 've ever tried auto trace piece chart using adobe illustrator 3 2 wanted get outline coast western long island sound simultaneously suprised good job disappointed poorly suspect gave difficult thing coastline irregular , overlaid chart numerous sets \( longitude , loran well \) common mistake make whenever coastline roughly parallel tangent grid line , would take following instead coast think best improvement would sort interactive algorithm would let step say , dummy , 're going wrong way steve , friend mine years back \( \) , doctoral work electron phage \( virii \) good chunk work writing program take digitized automatically trace centerline virus particles essentially problem illustrator tries solve auto trace tool respects problem steve worked harder , since trying quantitative analysis virus structure finding good centerline first step , step future analysis depended however , respects , easier problem since program could written lot knowledge virus particles supposed look like , analysis could restricted particles happend relatively straight , clean , well n't always freedom auto tracing real life images case , gave insight difficult problem solve general case \( \) steve longer us wife disappeared vacation hawaii couple years graduated last known location hiking densely mountainous area bodies ever found , presumed victim sort fall accident woods roy smith roy nyu edu project , department microbiology , coles 202 nyu school medicine , 550 first avenue , new york , ny 10016 never happened bart simpson
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject america 's team \? organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 50 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr20 bsu ucs , leo bsuvc bsu edu writes absolutely correct braves fans nothing bunch correct wrong , 4 5 years ago couldnt give away ticket see braves play would bet next paycheck 80 called braves fans living outside georgia present time name 3 players 1988 season john smoltz , tom glavine , german , dale murphy , bruce sutter , pete smith , rick mahler , jim acker , jim break morrison , ron gant , andres thomas , gerald perry , ozzie , lonnie smith , jerry far \? note braves fun n hand , ask cubs fan living anywhere united states name 3 players given year 80 probably could hand , ii like braves much cubs name ron santo , ernie banks , 1969 , favorite season granted , fact team wins brings people ball park , mean title america 's team reason considered america 's team ted turner little tv station broadcasts across nation right 've watched enough braves' games know great deal players like many players cubs games get see living new york mets , put sleep , face , watching guys like rick sutcliffe luis n't put edge chair u 'll consider toronto america 's team braves actually , notice lot anti toronto sentiment states partly post series arrogance \( thanks part upside flag dork posts \) , partly roberto alomar exciting swiss cheese , partly , living baltimore winters , 've become fond 's fans \( especially call rex barney 's radio show \) side hated rivals go reds ! sorry , mets spelled \) jason miller doctor guy frank 1 win ! ! ! r
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject clipper considered harmful organization bell laboratories lines 127 article c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu , c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) writes clipper chip 's user key formed r1 e e n1 s1 s2 s1 r2 e e n2 s1 s2 s1 r3 e e n3 s1 s2 s1 triple encrytion used \? gain effective increase keyspace defeat potential keysearch \? \( , use 80 bit keys \? \) knowing anything skipjack algorithm , 's really possible guess whether makes harder easier guess s1 , s2 n1 , n2 , n3 formed \? would facinating see skipjack algorithm , look ways attacking require three ciphertext blocks formed odd way 34 bit constant values concatenated serial number form n1 , n2 , n3 come \? changed chip chip , session session \? \( even 're published ny times , skipjack resistant known plaintext attacks , using triple encryption , 's break security allow kind weird format \? three 34 bit values truly random bits , maybe 's used ensure known plaintext attack skipjack , exists , ca n't easily used derive s1 s2 whole production run chips \) ca n't answer questions detail , take stab form operations compute r1 , r2 , r3 , course , famous suggested use des 's much stronger single encryption , effective key length 160 bits reasons discussed des first standardized , simple double encryption would strength triple encryption used ibm since less beginning encrypt keys 's recommended anything high value think agree r fit description n 1 , n 2 , n 3 \? well , need different plaintext values idea 'll disclosed guess , 're constructed differ many bit positions possible goo cryptosystem scramble things lot even 1 bit change values n series fairly similar bit patterns , might , conceivably , weakness n values i'm guessing chosen increase distance event , i'm quite convinced one cannot go back u , let alone u \( observe nsa u , n't need find even , ca n't get u 1 u 2 theory , never even see values , even warrant \) real question , think , use scheme , opposed hardware random number generator answer much verifiable look suppose nsa , nist , aclu , eff , nra combined build really good random number generator , passed every test could think come back next week program chips , still work well \? components changed value \? components changed \? still work well presence focused microwave beam tends bias towards selecting 1 bits \? yes , run detailed statistical tests , 's hard consider , hand , software solution bring floppies , run cryptographic , etc 's lot easier verify software unchanged , words \( yes , think ways cheat software , think 're lot harder \) three issues clipper first whether architecture whole scheme capable working answer , one significant exception , yes really think nsa nist designed scheme well , assuming real objectives stated permit wiretapping , certain carefully controlled circumstances , minimum risk abuse \( exception u exists outside chip , programming diskette 's seriously wrong u 1 u 2 loaded onto chip separately \) disagree \( n't claim answer obvious , though found reasoning sufficiently persuasive forced rewrite conclusions section technical analysis paper originally blasted scheme \) , issue invitation assume charged implementing system , complete regard civil rights due process would differently \? answering question , please accept nsa 's fundamental assumptions strong cryptography outsiders , ability wiretap domestic users , necessary \( feel necessary challenge assumptions , context last issue present right , i'm discussing technical aspects , n't means claim something done , \) second issue whether whole architecture actually going used clipper chips made way n't mean 's way 'll made maybe nsa substitute chips programming facility shipping dock 'll generate bogus warrant requests , escrow agents n't wonder 've never called \( , guys terrorists drug dealers pedophiles seem bought triple des phones instead 'd 'a' thunk \? '' \) answer question , moment , n't see way answering concerns part reasoning answer final question , third , serious issue , whether clipper good idea even carried strictly according letter law think answer , 's i'm civil libertarian , libertarian , reasons explained great length net elder days , n't energy repeat means i'm willing accept laws necessary , long respect essential rights individuals government already ability system right issue search warrants , power certainly abused , 's also used quite properly fairly cases key escrow sufficiently different \? think , 's easy question \( easy libertarians answer , course , since clipper completely alien much rest \( oft admirable \) philosophy 's also easy give trust government , group i'm much distant \) steve bellovin
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unix2 tcd ie \( michael carley \) subject dvi viewers nntp posting host unix2 tcd ie organization trinity college , dublin lines 11 need help tracking dvi viewer x xdvi got x libraries includes installed \) way around , trying avoid installing stuff \( space premium \) ii \) would someone prepared make binaries available thanks help michael carley , dept mech engineering , tcd
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) subject concentrate child molesters \? reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( c wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 31 article 15441 optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes reckon man would go wildly promiscuous presented huge variety willing partners question , suppose , says lot screwed hey , clayton , 's ! love arguments completely clinch every one points ! , , suppose , says lot screwed n't much fun since started blasting christians alt atheism ! clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! xavier clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
ee92jks brunel ac uk \( jonathan k saville \) subject triple des organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 18 richard \( jet uk \) wrote seen various references recently could anyone tell \? context , would guess means encrypting block 3 times , different key time , 'd like sure replies email preferred news unreliable could people replying question post responses well , i'm sure others \( including \) would like hear thanks jon jon saville alive say , art , ee92jks brunel ac uk poet , may tell thy dreams \? ' pgp 2 2 public key available upon request finger
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization university illinois urbana lines 27 aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes previous article , finnegan nrlssc navy mil \( \) says article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) drew flat engine \? \? \? chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization express access online communications usa lines 17 nntp posting host access digex net keywords hst article rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu \( greg moore \) writes pointed , develop thruster also , much lighter , still lift mass thruster orbit , thruster lifts weight higher orbit take room payload bay yes , improvement boost orbit hst significant , means carry edo packs enough consumables shuttle mission go long enough also fix array tilt motors , god knows else going wear hst next 9 months pat
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 4 see , told atheist mythology , thanks proving point bill
djh4484 zeus tamu edu \( , daniel joseph \) subject cnn sale organization texas university , academic computing services lines 17 distribution usa nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article geraldo cc utexas edu , mikey ccwf cc utexas edu \( strider \) writes article 93106 cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes article 2001 150 uupcb yob sccsi com , jim wray yob sccsi com \( jim wray \) says bill vojak hey ! get together , i'm ! one poor \( college student \) get bank account set aside , set aside big ass data base get contribution i'm setting aside 10 month slew cash sure , 's best let know guys come i'm sure hell going anywhere e mail djh4484 rigel tamu edu death tyrants ! kane better ideas anyone \? n't heard 'em yet !
gjp sei cmu edu \( george pandelios \) subject ide low level format organization software engineering institute lines 34 article 1993apr21 organpipe uug arizona edu , helium gas uug arizona edu \( \) writes article news cso uiuc edu mandel romulus ehs uiuc edu \( mandel \) writes accidentally tried low level format western digital caviar 280 drive public domain shareware utility available allow fix \? thanks expert pretty sure way recover ide drive mapping information written directly drives low level format , information gone well , n't think get back unless send back western digital ask jim well , different story recount attempted low level format wd disk year ago understood error , contacted wd told n't hurt drive run fdisk format fine also , understand western digital 's bbs may low level formatting routines specifically available ide drives probably need talk get straight scoop george george j pandelios internet gjp sei cmu edu software engineering institute usenet sei ! gjp 4500 fifth avenue voice \( 412 \) 268 7186 pittsburgh , pa 15213 fax \( 412 \) 268 5758 disclaimer opinions reflect software engineering institute , sponsors , customers , clients , affiliates , carnegie mellon university fact , resemblence opinions individual , living dead , fictional real , purely coincidental
cs utexas edu \( jeffrey bob berthiaume \) subject 850 mb scsi 800 organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 7 nntp posting host earth cs utexas edu keywords scsi , 850 mb friend mine would like sell 850 mb scsi drive 800 h full height drive , used one half years anyone interested , please e mail thank jeffrey berthiaume cs utexas edu
subject 286 mother board 4 sale james chu psuvm psu edu organization penn state university lines 4 c chip set 286 12 mother board c bios 2 meg ram \( 80ns \) reply reasonable offer interested thanks ! \) james
sherman lea csc ncsu edu \( chris sherman \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization ncsu lines 45 123645 netnews upenn edu bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes batten hatches , hide women , lock cows , xv 3 00 finally escaped really bums xv went shareware xv shareware personal use may use xv mean anyway \? sit company look pictures net spare time \? amusement , find nifty , useful , generally cool , value , non deductable donation would greatly appreciated 25 suggested donation , though , course , larger donations quite welcome folks donate 25 receive real nice bound copy xv manual extra charge commercial , government , institutional users must register copies xv , exceedingly reasonable price 25 per workstation x terminal site licenses available wish run xv large number machines contact author details since universities institutions \( right \? \) , n't mean everyone world affected \? \( n't believe many running x windows home yet , relatively speaking \) author legally sell xv \? xv uses tiff jpeg code developed others author get permission sell works \? author also get permission people contributed xv sell work well \? guess nobody going want help author maintain code anymore xv become commercial product , support xv begin slide downhill case , 's bummer really liked xv chris sherman sherman lea csc ncsu edu
jwodzia fadel uucp \( john wodziak \) subject bruins fans \? \? \? reply jwodzia fadel uucp \( john wodziak \) organization clemson university engineering department lines 24 robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes i'm wondering bruins fans \? \? \? mean woofed 1 , 000 , 000 posts regular season saying team going kick everyone 's playoffs win stanley cup see nothing wrong little ranting raving , i'm curious boston faithful stopped posting mean n't even see one little boston fan post , 'cept bruins fans n't cocky well , maybe 're golf course something , n't know , 'd sure like see bruins fans \) still little beer 're busy post \) seriously think caught sig curse nelson \) first rangers 50 b 's hmmm bout dem whalers \? \( offense steveg others \) hockey hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john r wodziak real black gold 7 alan kulwicki 1954 1993 space triumph polish yankee mechanical engineer , crown 1992 winston cup champion great person rent !
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements organization university maryland , college park lines 27 nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu article dtr usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes , jewish , self hating jew doubt doubts n't define self hating jew means \? found idea self hating jew one rediculous things people repeat repeat seems meaning fact none hope come definition something like look person , self hating jew jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel get moved see israeli army killing people occupied territories much get moved see people israel aap
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization lake taylor hospital computer services lines 25 barmar think com \( barry margolin \) writes article 1993may18 taylor uucp mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes stuck distributed system feedback loop ! xterminal running xterm net another machine \? load problems occur machine 20 xterminals attached blinking cursors xterm 's , could represent considerable ethernet bandwidth waste ethernet certainly enough bandwidth blinking cursors lisp machine cursor twice second updates time status line every second uses 1k bytes second , 1 bandwidth ethernet hundred single ethernet might problem , couple dozen fine granted 's nothing loose sleep , ethernet 's tragic flaw activity \( especially lots tiny activity \) , collisions happen performance gets exponentially worse opposing kind waste bandwidth ethernet although polling system would bad mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject overreaction \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 distribution na lines 42 perry e metzger \( pmetzger snark shearson com \) wrote would like keep way thats point reacting strongly forcefully , assure continue remain free cannot overreact threat like worst happens overreact waste time effort worst happens tyranny prefer overreaction centuries overreaction managed maintain state even moderate freedom suggest overreacting future good thing perry right target careful analysis clipper chip announcement reveals likely remain voluntary long cost system , cost generating storing escrow keys , admitted security holes pretty much make loser strong crypto , strong crypto allowed battle face totalitarian key registration thing back , shoe dropped commentary criticism time around reveals almost immediate revulsion wiretap chip \( automatic caller id id , n't forget ! \) generates everyone , almost everyone , hears battle ca n't afford lose tim may timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
phoenix princeton edu \( \) subject stop cross postings originator news nimaster nntp posting host phoenix princeton edu organization princeton university lines 14 , repeat , , cross post following subjects soc culture iranian jews supports serbs arab leaders bosnia bosnia stage set 's need bigotry hate ! believe , already reached quota year try next year
com \( paul durbin \) subject david ! god ! nntp posting host hq com organization corp lines 8 one morning shows \( think today show \) , david koresh 's lawyer interviewed interview flipped letters david koresh wrote one letters written hebrew \( near bottom page \) koresh anyone else see \? could mean \( david \) writing \?
trantor eng sun com \( stuart marks \) subject xt intrinsics slow popups organization sun microsystems , inc lines 37 distribution world reply eng sun com nntp posting host trantor article 1993apr20 alex com , bryan alex com \( bryan \) writes shell waiting window manager respond positioning request window manager responding thinks window already right place exactly two components get sulk unclear information greatly received problem caused bad interaction way olwm windows , x protocol , bug xt intrinsics intrinsics bug ignores \( x , \) position given events olwm structured way , window popped , last event client receives event point , notion shell 's location date done using \( x , \) position , intrinsics thinks needs move shell , issues request move however , \( mis \) feature x protocol request effect generate event intrinsics thus waits event never arrive , times expired \( actually , things somewhat complex request redirected window manager , net result \) solution intrinsics note \( x , \) positioning information events implemented available x11r5 public fix 20 interested details stuart w marks stuart marks eng sun com window systems technology 2550 garcia ave 21 228 sunsoft , inc mountain view , ca 94043
jek cu nih gov subject goedel ontological argument lines 16 fred gilham asks whether true goedel wrote version ontological argument existence god yes , true someone published rebuttal pointing certain flaws argument , recently professor c anthony anderson , philosophy department university minnesota , written revised version argument , perhaps free flaws , rate free flaws complained original version sent copy , still \( saw last week looking something else \) , surfaces supply particulars guess published \( already \) journal symbolic logic , james kiefer
iat holonet net \( pete norton \) subject feds caught another lie organization holonet national internet access system 510 704 1058 modem lines 5 pete norton well sf ca us holonet net norton hou amoco com
scott psy uwa oz au \( scott fisher \) subject manual shift bigots organization university western australia lines 30 nntp posting host psy uwa oz au cc lut fi \( jarmo \) writes kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering many cars sold finland small cheap cars \( least compared cars note 120 car tax \) could n't expect good auto 1 3 l engine \? bigger cars , however , sold autos australia cars manual \( privately owned anyway \) \? sure , think something fact car industry past closely aligned europe us past 's aligned asia scott scott fisher scott psy uwa oz au ph aus 61 perth \( 09 \) local \( 380 \) n department psychology w e university western australia perth , nedlands , 6009 perth , w v joy jaguar flat battery , blown oil seal unsympathetic wife , outside small remote town , 3 15am cold wet winters morning
paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) subject cats pregnancy reply paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) organization gec marconi research centre , great baddow , uk lines 25 hello , heard certain disease \( \? \) transmitted cats harm unborn fetus anybody know \? problem cat apartment \? see rec pets cats faq doctor vet information , couple cats transmitted matter , pregnant woman avoid cleaning cat tray wash hands preparing eating meals latter sound advice time course apart , great problem certainly need get rid cats paul paul johnson \( paj gec mrc co uk \) tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 ideas others like gec marconi research 0 02 reputable idealist responsible opinions
deca cs umn edu \( youjip \) subject manual advice needed summary oil keywords mazda mx 6 '88 nntp posting host deca cs umn edu organization university minnesota lines 4 manual transmission 5 speed difficult engage gear oil change improve situation \? think favorable oil change period \? youjip
jar2e faraday clas virginia edu \( virginia 's gentleman \) subject uva organization university virginia lines 9 pete uncalled i'm sure andi beyer whatever name product environment came school , enjoying mantle university make viewpoint seem legitimate \( well reasoned \) i'm virginia , , think uva poor taste , even beyer slip jesse
zrepachol cc curtin edu au \( paul repacholi \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified lines 31 organization curtin university technology article ifd netcom com , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes brad yearwood posts long response issue registering phone clipper relationship n't wash recall law enforcement gets court order tap suspect 's phone calls figure lines tap record stuff 's clipper , read law enforcement block , extract serial number , get keys using court order new difficulties \( using someone else 's phone instrument phone line \) introduced would n't existed absent clipper crooks going use pay phone \( say \) , could done without clipper government figures 're , listen , 's clipper conversation get serial number keys crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business clipper chip person association ever needed david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject unspeakable crimes x soviet armenian government must reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 88 article 1993may14 news uiowa edu mau herky cs uiowa edu \( mau napoleon \) writes greeks like turks us plan us let improve one , nearly one thousand years , turkish kurdish people lived homeland last one hundred oppressive soviet armenian occupation persecutions culminated 1914 armenian government planned carried genocide muslim subjects 2 5 million turks kurds murdered remainder driven homeland one thousand years , turkish kurdish lands empty turks kurds survivors found safe heaven turkiye today , x soviet armenian government rejects right turks kurds return muslim lands occupied x soviet armenia today , x soviet armenia covers genocide perpetrated predecessors therefore accessory crime humanity x soviet armenia must pay crime genocide muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds turks kurds demand right return lands , determine future nation homeland occasion , reiterate justice restitution turkish kurdish rights demand x soviet armenian government admit responsibility turkish kurdish genocide , render reparations muslim people , return land rightful owners recognition genocide become issue cannot delayed , imperative artificial obstacles created political manipulations removed believe time come demand united states formally recognizes turkish kurdish genocide , principles demands refuses armenian pressures contrary taxpayers united states , express vehement protest present u government policy continued , protection unqualified assistance towards x soviet armenia territorial demands strictly aimed x soviet armenia 's source sardarapat sevres lausanne avetis aharonian armenian review , vol 16 , 3 63 , autumn , sep 1963 , pp 47 57 p 52 \( second paragraph \) three chiefs , dro , hamazasp kulkhandanian bands destroyed tartar villages staged massacres zangezour , surmali , etchmiadzin , zangibasar intolerable look pointed file official documents table look , december reports last months concerning ruined tartar villages representative wardrop sent official tartar communique speaks destruction 300 villages p 54 \( fifth paragraph \) yes , course repeat , massacre tartars stopped three chiefs removed military leadership hardly think supply arms ammunition armed bands led dro , hamazasp kulkhandanian past months raided destroyed many tartar villages regions surmali , etchmiadzin , zangezour , zangibasar official charges massacres serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
athena mit edu \( glenn \) subject gateway 4dx 33v high price \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 9 nntp posting host w20 575 74 mit edu , maybe gateway system n't cheap system micron computers 486 2 50 , 16 meg ram , 245 maxtor hd , local bus ide 2 meg video card , 15 monitor system shipping came 2200 sold sx 33 chip came bought dx2 50 total price 2300 2400
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject criminal acts x soviet armenian government come directly reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 78 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes serdar , explained propaganda certainly nothing true facts also today main source asala sdpa arf illegal activities still try make money bodies innocent victims turkish genocide criminal acts x soviet armenian government come directly scope convention genocide adopted general assembly united nations december 8 , 1948 , containing following provisions contracting parties , considered declaration made general assembly united nations resolution 95 \( 1 \) dated december 11 , 1946 , genocide crime international law , contrary spirit aims united nations condemned civilized world recognizing periods history genocide inflicted great losses humanity convinced , order liberate mankind odious scourge , international cooperation required members agree provided article 1 contracting parties confirm genocide , whether committed time peace time war , crime international law undertake prevent punish article 2 present convention genocide means following acts committed intent destroy , whole part , national , ethnical , racial religious group , \) killing member group b \) causing serious bodily mental harm members group c \) deliberately inflicting group conditions life calculated bring physical destruction whole part \) imposing measures intended prevent births within group e \) forcibly transferring children group another group article 3 following acts shall punishable \) genocide b \) conspiracy commit genocide c \) direct public incitement commit genocide \) attempt commit genocide article 4 persons committing genocide acts enumerated article 3 shall punished , whether constitutionally responsible rulers , public officials private individuals convention genocide existed armenian massacres turks kurds , would probably difficult x soviet armenian government start murdering civilian , defenseless , faithful ottoman citizens , children women , \( genocide attempt genocide \) , make plans exterminate , done also urartus jews , faithful ottoman citizens \( conspiracy commit genocide \) , armenians armed revolt legal authority commit genocide , \( direct public incitement commit genocide \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
leopard spud hyperion com \( \) subject questions dos external join command organization hyperion , mountain view , ca , usa lines 11 distribution na nntp posting host spud hyperion com summary looking information , good bad keywords pros \? cons \? bugs \? problems \? setting dos unix box ide scsi drive wondering use \( ms dos 5 0 \) join command like way sets things since wo n't stick c e \( crap \) dos enforces like would mimic mount points unix filesystems heard problems using , least older versions dos please tell ! leopard hyperion com n't work hyperion , live telephone \( 408 \) 737 com work \( 415 \) 324 unix sys admin
eyad unify com \( eyad \) subject rejoinder questions israelis organization usr lib news organization lines 69 article usenet ins cwru edu bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes although realize principle one strongest points , would still like know ask question sort arab countries kaufman , think problem newsgroup every time somebody puts serious questions israel , first response would arab countries \? arab countries governments ruling people iron fist policy dark ages democracy \( exists \) ironically , countries west would like deal would wage massive wars protect resources israel situation different , israel claims democracy would call selective democracy , western democratic standards israel saying compared western standards comparison advertized propaganda israel , look seriously question asked regarding country standard want continue think tank charade , fixation israel must stop might start asking sort questions arab countries well realize would work , arab treatment jews last several decades bad fixation israel would begin look like biased attack incorrect , see brain washed well , would recommend non zionist history books \) everyone group recognizes stupid 'center policy research' nothing fancy name bigot hates israel please , speak imagine everyone beliefs , would lucky believe n't try honest hatred israel \? heard family lived israel , members family could cut competition true family \? true \? actually israel , really personal vendetta \? , trying destroy credibility author , \? asked serious question tactics destroying credibility person beacuse agree old work anymore , go tell \( aipac \? \) change guide books salam , eyad software engineer unify corp disclaimer personal views , employer eyad unify corp software engineer drive email eyad unify com sacramento , ca 1922
tad ssc com \( tad cook \) subject krillean photography organization little lines 37 article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar mitre org \( emporium \) writes article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes think 's correct spelling looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures i'm thinking education suppliers schools might appartus sale , n't know companies info greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps bill oz bill , flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg 're confused talking kirilian photography bill talking krillean photography tad ssc com \( bounces , use mcimail com \) tad cook packet amateur radio home phone seattle , wa wa usa na 206 527
scott psy uwa oz au \( scott fisher \) subject true globe , makes \? organization university western australia lines 22 nntp posting host psy uwa oz au bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) writes known quite earth actually pear shaped globular spherical anyone make globe accurate actual shape , landmass configuration long lat lines etc \? thanks advance even , globe scale could fit average room even average hall deviations mention would visually evident words would required test fact globe infact pear shaped regards scott scott fisher scott psy uwa oz au ph aus 61 perth \( 09 \) local \( 380 \) n department psychology w e university western australia perth , nedlands , 6009 perth , w v error 144 reboot \? registered trademark corp
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject horizontally opposed boxer engines \( v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization skulls 'r us lines 42 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article 1993apr24 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes two crank configurations flat 4 common one probably crank similar i4 crank flat 4 engines i4 style cranks \? comparing two engines , i4 flat 4 first order shaking forces rocking moments i4 second order shaking force , flat 4 second order rocking moment significant thing flat 4 's second order moment easily balanced adding mass ends crank i4 , however , requires counter rotating shaft mass balance second order forces 99 99 sure subaru \( porsche \) use boxer configuration inline 4 crank analyzed compared would care evaluate case flat four \? think configuration perfectly balanced far primary , secondary forces couples concerned article front says bottom line biggest difference engines would probably intended use flat 4 easier fit low rear compartments \( mid rear mounting \) i4 mounted reduce hood length \( read cab forward \) , n't much fanfare differences , matter subaru ads say \( technology shared porsche indeed \) flat four also shorter inline 4 , even mounted take lots length placement easier 4 wheel drive think subaru 's ads hold water practice , flat noticeably smoother inline 4s completely buzz free , though may like peculiar note alfa shown , boxer four produce spine tingling scream likes recent hondas approach eliot
tamuts tamu edu \( louis paul adams \) subject number applied engineering organization texas university , college station lines 9 nntp posting host tamuts tamu edu anyone phone number applied engineering give call \? ae dallas try 214 241 214 241 tech support may line , one get started good luck !
rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( jean \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization illinois state university lines 39 article m3o pandora sdsu edu add sciences sdsu edu \( james murray \) writes bill gates steve jobs result natural evolution successful hacker either make money , go jail \( lee sp \? \) , fade away oh , 's uncle really likes computers computer hacker change long definition word computer continues change perhaps write freely available , unix commonly available computer platforms \( i386 i486 machines \) become catalyst major project produces better unix like os many commercial counterparts \( see comp os linux details \) maybe found programming freedom fight restrictive litigation software practices , thereby protecting creative freedom vital continuing progress field maybe start gnu project , produce far away best c c compiler unix , mention valuable utilities hackers make significant contributions without selling ideals bill gates , grossly inferior software onto pc market ten years , ever hacker , deserves name annals computer , like running linux x countless packages , without paying dime hand , problem purchasing motif good software , long microsoft n't fouled inept input 2 cents worth , flames patiently ignored \) jean jean computer science , illinois state university e mail ilstu edu
epas utoronto ca \( stephen \) subject rusty 's religion organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto ca lines 4 recall kieth , rusty devout roman catholic kieth rusty would shea everyday sunday , rusty would go mass sc
christen astro ocis temple edu \( carl christensen \) subject cults vs religions \? organization temple university lines 22 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 bill ray \( ray engr latech edu \) wrote james thomas green \( jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \) wrote conclusion shown essentially logical argument clearly differentiates cult religion challenge anyone produce distinction clear ca n't easily knocked one religion cult stood test time like history written ' 've seen religions , religion cult vile corrupt able exert 's doctrine using political military measures perhaps koresh withstood onslaught another couple months would started attracting converts due , ' hence becoming full religion cult carl christensen , , , dept computer science christen astro ocis temple edu temple university curiouser curiouser ! lc ``` philadelphia , pa usa
cs ulowell edu \( shi \) subject egypt cuts phone lines independent muslim states keywords international , non usa government , government , intelligence , politics , religion organization umass lowell computer science lines 9 article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes clarinews clarinet com \( \) writes comes egypt , human rights , ethics , principles ignored western media wonder \? pretending knowing \? obedient west must evil !
barring cs washington edu \( david barrington \) subject moe berg organization computer science engineering , u washington , seattle lines 22 npr morning interview linda mccarthy \( name possibly garbled \) , official historian cia research moe berg tv documentary \( know nothing sounds good \) said among things , berg principal spy oss \( cia 's wwii precursor \) spying axis atomic programs , physics background language skills said war met heisenberg switzerland , instructions shoot heisenberg germans close us bomb research \( concluded two years behind , n't shoot \) \( heard elsewhere heisenberg deliberately misled nazi bomb program , n't know reliable \) unfortunately , npr n't mention kind book 's writing 'd certainly buy \( case 're wondering baseball relevance , berg longtime mlb backup catcher member mlb star team toured japan 1934 , presumably baseball prowess one americans , much less mlb players , spoke japanese photos took tokyo trip later used plan bombing raids , according mccarthy \) dave mb
po cwru edu \( eric v wong \) subject plus hardcard owners help ! organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 12 reply po cwru edu \( eric v wong \) nntp posting host slc12 ins cwru edu hi , problem , 've lost software drivers setup programs hardcard someone email files , let know plus development \( bought quantum \? \) bbs phone \? hardcard ii thanks advance eric
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject krillean photography organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 26 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu , eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \( e story \) writes article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? yup demonstration refer consists placing leaf plates , taking kirlian photograph cut part leaf , put top plate back , take another kirlian photograph see pretty much image cases turns effect n't nearly striking take trouble clean plates photographs seems moisture leaf left place conducts electricity surprise , surprise ! carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) subject circuit boards green \? organization malaspina college lines 46 article 1993apr23 news cs tut fi , kuusama kaarne cs tut fi \( kuusama juha , , , vtt , \) writes question anything important , still curious almost printed circuit boards green \? seen blue ones , red , yellow , company logo etc technical reason could marketing geniuses tought \( yet \) \? juha color board shows composition , hence use original older boards bakelite composition , brown phenolic \( spelling \) tan non filled fiberglass boards used computers green filled fiberglass blue teflon white boards evolved demands made first boards used mainly audio circuitry could n't used high voltage rf would arc burn boards today fiberglass , type chosen use cost boards satellite microwave communication teflon \( ceramic \) fiberglass , boards conductive \( actually work capacitive , word conductive simplifies explaination \) high frequencies another printed circuit material used mainly automotive thin flexible \( mostly mylar \) material used connect front vehicle \( etc \) back instead wiring use boards inside wires would nuisance working generator made packard right entire board gold plated , boy looks expensive ! ! ! hope got facts right working memory material read education pre ! 73 , tom tom wagner , audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia \( 604 \) 753 3245 , loc 2230 fax 755 8742 callsign ve7gda weapon 45 kentucky rifle snail mail site q4 , c2 rr 4 , nanaimo , british columbia , canada , v9r 5x9 recyle keep everything ! \( standard disclaimers apply \)
lst hemul nada kth se \( lars erik \) subject parametric drafting organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 24 nntp posting host hemul nada kth se hello ! i'm looking documentation books parametric drafting anyone know material , electronic gopher ftp site books authors im looking commercial software rather info implementation theory subject im planning make parametric generator autocad would need everything know interest ! thanks ! ! lasse lars erik , student university stockholm , sweden
rad com subject sq 80 cross wave synthesizer sale originator rob snoopy msc cornell edu organization order lines 71 sq 80 cross wave synthesizer sq 80 sale sq 80 powerful performance oriented synth limited board sequencer bought large seems analog synth sounds well sounds considerably digital list features extracted owner 's manual eight voice poly synthesizer , capable playing eight different sounds , dynamic stereo panning voice voice section employing cross wave synthesis combine different attack sustain wave segments create complex , dynamic sounds 75 sampled waves \( includes \) serve sound source dynamic voice allocation sequencer track midi channel access eight voices full featured midi controller keyboard capable sending eight midi program volume changes keyboard velocity sensitive , transmits receives velocity powerful matrix modulation scheme allows wide range modulation sources 3 5 floppy disk drive writes reads ordinary ds dd disks allows fast reliable storage 600 sequences sound patches single floppy disk also ram cart slot patches compatible 1 ram carts dumps floppy disk capable midi device 80 character fluorescent display user friendly page driven programming scheme provides fairly humane user interface stereo line outs , stereo headphone jack private listening sound programs sequences compatible 1 sounds sequences created 1 played sq 80 sq 80 main midi controller studio quite performed role , also heavily used sound source time sq 80 seems designed role mind , works well software sequencer \( \) mode synthesis point view , machine hybrid uses short samples \( 75 \) sources , waves processed sophisticated dca arrangement sq 80 capable great things 4 pole analog filter simply put , makes fabulous analog synth sounds unlike good analog , thorough midi implementation works well midi sequencer really like thing capable making wide range sounds sq 80 5 years old \( mfg date 1 21 88 \) 8 track sequencer , like board , pain use avoided reason sale selling sq 80 recently joined forces another individual boston , keyboards space put recommend someone getting started sequencing needs powerful economical master keyboard pricing terms paid 1300 00 synth years ago willing accept 650 00 \( average r asking price 733 00 \) include bunch patches sq 80 floppy disks buyer synth , well original sq 80 owner 's manual price asking 650 00 \( everything \) shipping split shipping \( ups surface cod \) anywhere lower 48 states craig voice systems e mail rad com 119 russell street phone \( 508 \) 486 ,
jek cu nih gov subject quoted argument theism lines 26 sun 2 may 1993 , damon wrote christian friend mine reasoned never created , could exists therefore created , therefore exists creator hesitate comment validity , know friend meant meant whatever exists must created , open obvious retort god exists , god must created perhaps friend meant exist time exist , therefore something must brought us existence seems plausible , atheist might reply , parents \? friend would explain infinite regress causes satisfactory explanation would support philosophers ordinarily considered religious \( ayn rand , others tradition aristotle \) argued first cause , would bridge gap said entity god abraham merely asserts things observe ultimately dependent things radically unlike , physicists would disagree , james kiefer
larry med ge com \( larry \) subject corel draw harvard draw \? distribution usa organization ge corp r center , schenectady ny lines 23 nntp posting host med ge com wife wants publish newsletter 's artist , intends use comercial clipart bit drawing circle box around etc manipulating text , suitable much graphics , needs tool right 's looking corel draw harvard draw seem books stores corel harvard , 's inclined go corel basis popularity anyone give us informed opinion package would suitable even better alternative available \? faq , please withhold flames send location faq document thanks three ps 's 1 \) ok use clip art harvard draw whatever commercial purposes \? 2 \) 600 dpi laser jet 4 printer would good scanner reading paper clipart \? 3 \) someone starting newsgroup desktop publishing one n't exist \?
bhullar bldg hsc campus \( raj bhullar \) subject buffalo sabres nntp posting host bhullar oral umanitoba ca organization oral biology , univ manitoba lines 20 sabres win two games bruins \? think game three buffalo important series sabres lose game , party hello next year key remaining games series whether fuhr keep goaltending mogilny continue skate bruins shown demonstrated excellent speed finally , sabres appear shown post season sabres bills fan
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject christians law \? clarification pe organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 13 article mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) writes jesus jew , christian christian means someone believes divinity jesus , safe say jesus christian first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
plumpe oasys dt navy mil \( david plumpe \) subject making odd resistor values required filters reply plumpe oasys dt navy mil \( david plumpe \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 14 sci electronics , nessie mcc ac uk \( ian hawkins \) writes constructing active filters , odd values resistor often required \( e something like 3 14 k ohm resistor \) \( seems best choose common capacitor values cope strange resistances demanded \) pd program work best make resistance , given fixed resistors standard 12 values per decade \? \( 1 , 1 2 , 1 5 , 1 8 , 2 2 , 3 3 etc \) common enough problem , yet cant recall program tells rx ry rz gives rq , starting q finding prefered values x , z since 're worrying third decimal place , assume 're using 1 tolerance resistors capacitors \?
mnemonic eff org \( mike godwin \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips originator mnemonic eff org nntp posting host eff org organization electronic frontier foundation lines 40 article allen well sf ca us allen well sf ca us \( allen barrett ethridge \) writes 1993apr26 eff org mnemonic eff org \( mike godwin \) writes article c614bj bk6 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning cite source , please cryptography data security , page 8 , perhaps thanks got two sources well full quote follows dorothy denning , cryptography data security , addison wesley 1982 , 1983 , page 8 cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements 1 transformations must efficient keys 2 system must easy use 3 security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms e mike mike godwin , ariel rose godwin mnemonic eff org born 4 15 93 4 34 pm cambridge \( 617 \) 576 7 pounds , 1 5 ounces , 19 75 inches long eff , cambridge new citizen electronic frontier
frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) subject help adjust tappits organization , x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 14 jeff nichols \( jcn rice edu \) wrote speaking shims , would clearance valves get smaller , e need use thinner shim \? valves cylinder head faster shims wear frank ball 1ur frankb sad hp com \( 707 \) 794 4168 work , hewlett packard \( 707 \) 794 3844 fax , \( 707 \) 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 , xt350 , seca 750 , '62 f 100 , pl510 park ca 4999 , law , ama , dod , i'm nra
rick miller rick ee uwm edu subject rush read e mail \? organization lines 18 distribution inet nntp posting host 129 89 2 33 summary seen lobby , us rsilvers nynexst com \( robert silvers \) writes send something rush linbaugh clinton taking away right privacy govt standard takes , people lots money \( drug dealers \) able justify des stuff slam clinton air rob seem recall rush saying compuserve account anyone wants e mail , need account number \( e 12345 , \) could e mail via gateway using dot instead comma like 12345 compuserve com \( address \) , anyone know e mail address \? says uses time \( wonder reads alt fan rush limbaugh ego big enough ! \) rick miller rick ee uwm edu ricxjo discus mil wi us ricxjo muelisto send postcard , get one back ! enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion ! rick miller 16203 woods muskego , wis 53150 usa
dan uucp \( dan \) subject honda headrest stuck ! advice please ! reply dan com organization dynamic data electronics distribution rec lines 18 87 accord driver 's side headrest accidentally put backwards jammed according dealer , way get spend several hours seat second time heard happening , wonder whether 's easier way get headrest back anyone else ever dealt problem \? advice would appreciated ! please email , summarize interest dan com dan uunet ! camco , fluke ! ! dan 206 743 , 742 \( fax \) st sw dynamic data electronics , wa , usa , astro sings cocaine
v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) subject welcome police state usa organization university buffalo lines 30 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article rigel tamu edu , mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article 1993apr20 udel edu , carroll hercules cis udel edu \( mark c carroll \) writes wait second , 're ignoring major facts attempt simply serve warrant batf knock warrant initial firefight began batf threw concussion grenades building \( batf admits ! \) batf say \? everything 've seen batf , official version dissident statements batf officers conducted raid claims davidians shooting agents long within grenade range saw tv claim two different things davidians start shooting batf couple windows started shooting also , warrant sealed , know 'no \? easy ! see federal agents body armor sub machine guns going throught windows , knock warrant also since videotape shows batf throwing grenades bd 's fire , safely assume n't ring doorbell p vasilion , p get rid bandwidth sig !
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject \? organization decision support inc lines 26 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com perhaps 's prophetic week \? appears claim still active old timer , news software gets bit rot ships outgoing articles deep hole somewhere anyway , 's repost article senator bedfellow mit edu athena mit edu \( tom bruno \) writes brings point posting many people around alt atheism since 1990 \? 've done stay top newsgroup , fall behind , really fall behind days n't fall far behind last monday \( admittedly long weekend , \) 800 messages days aside changing jobs last fall 've since 1990 anyone tried keep deluge \? inquiring minds want know ! also anyone keep track infamous posters alt atheism end , leave newsgroup \? curious , guess hell , norway \? rubber room funny farm \? seminary \? given us know jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
u9263012 wampyr cc uow edu au \( walker andrew john \) subject gamma ray bursters organization university wollongong , nsw , australia lines 47 nntp posting host wampyr cc uow edu au steinly topaz ucsc edu \( steinn sigurdsson \) writes article 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au keithh tplrd tpl oz au \( keith harwood \) writes article gap caltech edu , palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes prb access digex com \( pat \) writes evidence indicates gamma ray bursters far away \? given enormous power , wondering , quantum black holes something like fairly close \? would galactic ranges \? david gives good explaination deductions isotropic , 'edged' distribution , whit , either part universe part oort cloud could n't earth centred , edge occuring edge gravisphere \? know n't mechanism , n't mechanism others either earth gravisphere \? anyway , 's decay pioneer venus orbiter gamma ray detector , ulysses , detect brightest bursts earth orbit detectors , bursts least oort cloud distances principle four detectors spaced au would see parallax bursts solar system origin problem oort cloud sources absolutely plausible mechanism proposed would involve new physics far tell closest conventional oort sources model b field pinching comets , 's got many holes count , least good try steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly lick ucsc edu standard disclaimer laws gravity , strict 're bending benefit b b 1988 also , come oort cloud would expect see stars oort clouds andrew walker
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 43 article lynx unm edu , bevans carina unm edu \( \) writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , right bat information flawed \? i'm sorry , masters johnson put report within past years kinsey institute quite active since founded oh many years ago , , recently put new report sexuality quoting news story idea claim examination shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual hate picky , let 's math take cities new york city los angeles alone , find approximately 3 5 million gay people making 1 75 million gay men \? even san francisco , dept public health estimates 11 male population gay claiming 16 million people nyc la areas , 10 gay source numbers \? keep mind attempts cdc determine homosexual percentage american cities given numbers 3 1 american male population 1 25 million study says gay males live new york city los angeles , half million people lying gay something smells funny yes , 1 75 million number smells funny brian evans bad mood , bad mood sure i'm bad mood ! clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
randy ellingson subject scsi ide bottom line reply randy msc cornell edu organization cornell university lines 26 would choose , \? like lots people , 'd really like increase data transfer rate hard drive right 15ms 210mb ide drive \( seagate \) , standard ide controller card isa 486 50 i'm currently thinking adding another hd , 300mb 500mb range i'm thinking hard buying scsi drive \( scsi future benefit \) believe i'm getting something like 890kb sec transfer right \( according nu \) would number compare bought state art scsi card isa pc , state art scsi hard drive \( best system could hope \) \? obviously money factors choice well , would want use isa system \? much would cost \? along lines , kind transfer rate could see ide hd 's buy top line ide caching controller 200mb , 15ms hd \? much would cost \? thanks comments randy
dude pcs com \( michael elbel \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization pcs computer systeme gmbh lines 54 1993may11 ims com ims com \( antonio \) writes article 1993may10 taylor uucp , mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes oh boy wanted however , believe cursor server 's control \( could wrong \) \? xterminal , example , server one controlling cursor , trying get xterm application blinking would cause needless yucky network overhead \( consistantly \) people write cursor blinking code implement simple case straight \( \) cycle however , cursor work much better cursor blinking suppressed \( e cursor made visible \) time cursor moves 5 1 sec thereafter n't , cursor hard track motion allways could port use emu export lcs mit edu contrib emu tar z 've implemented blinking text cursor reasons people mentioned even configure actual size text cursor \( horizontal ver line cursors , smaller block cursors \) , turn blinking , set blink rate even get blinking text ok , enough advertising n't looked xterm code respect , memories decide whether start xterm make wanted \( mostly blinking text \) , 'd say wo n't easy , since xterm hairy mess \( understandable follow 's roots back x10 \) actual task get cursor blink n't difficult provide right hooks antonio mentioned , 'll show cursor directly moved , people become confused since 's good idea take cursor screen anything screen anyways , n't complicated 'll start blink process cursor showing directly 's mapped portability emu 's newest version one export still r5 contrib tape wanted get new release six months , unfortunately 're drowning work since changes n't emu 's behavior much , 'd say whoever wants try emu n't wait new version , emu wo n't work bsd derived systems \( e g suns \) anything else csh fix , short \( remove one line code \) 'll put export today michael michael elbel , digital pcs gmbh , muenchen , germany dude pcs com nur fuer mia fermentation fault \( dumped \)
johnm lonestar org \( john munsch \) subject ati avi drivers organization etc organization lines 17 article andrew cmu edu andrew houghton andrew cmu edu writes noticed ati posted beta avi drivers mach32 boards compuserve anyone chance try \? well work \? well indeed home \( vl bus version graphics pro \) stretch avi window 640x480 continue play back smoothly drops frames machines even attempting thing would mean one frame update every 30 seconds isa graphics able zoom 2 without perceptible performance penalty best performance 've seen far possible exception intel board \( uses overlay n't move data isa bus point \) john munsch
gt7187c prism gatech edu \( thomas oates \) subject sherwood fm stereo reciever sale organization georgia institute technology lines 16 sale sherwood fm stereo reciever 20 memory presets \( think , may 18 \) 25 watts per channel 70 best offer please reply gt7187c prism gatech edu thomas oates atlanta braves gt7187c prism gatech edu 1992 national league champions prodigy ca n't stop chop ! ! ! georgia institute technology
uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 82 article 1993apr22 134214 18517 rick dgbt doc ca jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth somebody asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper people work within system trying break \? circut court judge illinois said dealing government seeks continually new creative ways spy its' citizenry , one cannot discourage move empower common citizen means parry attack personal privacy \( unfortunately comment regard banning radar detectors \) point remains see government slowly washing away privacy even unwittingly think ever live soceity issues smart cards citizens birth \? think live soceity insists register crypto keys keep track i'm saying \? even evidence guilt \? think ever live soceity seeks meddle affairs its' citizenry without recourse kind \? i'm tired \( imho \) compromise administration seeks implement proposals guise enhancing privacy proposals , read language press releases , obvious deception involved presenting pieces public , sickened revolted repulsed 90 , perhaps even 95 country could care less clipper chip , wiretap bill , smart card , rhetoric clinton administration frightens conserveative believe law order conserveative move centralized regime really scares , mostly know cant go far wrong intelligence american people tell 's going keep safe drug dealers terrorists , let put cameras home even wake waco , find support increasingly moves somebody said something like armed violence meant used response armed attack meant used agression difference self defence murder quite honest , way things going , 'd call self defense let 's try avoid killing things , eh \? 's enough blood shed world , without adding couple riots , civil wars , etc i'm probably overreacting 've read scared lot n't want children growing war zone dont want mine eyes security camera 24 hours day jerry han crc doc div behavioural research jhan debra dgbt doc ca opinions , opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories 've left behind , still ringing ears genesis uni uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys pgp iastate edu sovereignty sign brutal past fight clinton 's wiretap chip ! df610670f2467b99 97de2b5c3749148c crypto crime ! ask !
roger gte com \( michael \) subject senate bills help ! keywords 897 lines 21 two urgent requests 1 need latest update description bill 897 gather bill takes hunter safety courses law enforcement places fish game control 2 someone compiled list senate house bills consideration \? , please e mail list , database access \? thanx , fight , mike p p wife thought nancy b great street stories mike \( 617 \) 466 gte com i'm nra gte laboratories incorporated , 40 sylvan road waltham , 02154
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject go hell ! ! ! organization distribution na lines 28 article healta 176 saturn wwc edu , healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes article 1993apr25 mnemosyne cs du edu kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) writes kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) subject go hell ! ! ! date sun , 25 apr 93 02 05 46 gmt article pharaoh cyborg bt co uk martin pharaoh cyborg bt co uk \( martin gorman \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! oh fuck actually , think 's confused i'm going hell i'm gay , becuase n't believe god \( wonder means ca n't come tammy picnic \? \) course come said posters invited n't put homosexual clause bring join party ! ! ! ca n't imagine dean objecting , either knowing keith , expect 'll bring leather accessories better oil well leather cracks dries dean kaflowitz
microsoft com \( allan \) subject cnn sale organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 7 count 1000 00 allan opinions sale allan
uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de \( lars koeller , d0 231 258 , , \) subject xdm configuration reply uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de nntp posting host odie uni bielefeld de organization chaos unlimited lines 38 hello ! want configure x11r5 sytem \( i486 33mhz running bsd like unix \) comming chooser menu different machines \( works \) connect connection works localhost ! 'x indirect machine ' works well ! configuration starting boot time servers specified xservers starting x server boot time x indirect localhost chooser menu appears machines named bye ' chooser broadcast number users machines load displayed correct selecting machine host x server starts nothing happens , time chooser menu appears know xdm bug x11r4 , machines running x11r5 please help lars lars koeller e mail uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de universitaet bielefeld \( germany \) uphya001 dave hrz uni bielefeld de fuer physik d0 231 phone 49 521 106 25 fax 49 521 106 4800 bielefeld 1 telex 932 362
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject corel draw harvard draw \? organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 distribution usa lines 32 larry \( larry med ge com \) wrote wife wants publish newsletter 's artist , intends use comercial clipart bit drawing circle box around etc manipulating text , suitable much graphics , needs tool right 's looking corel draw harvard draw seem books stores corel harvard , 's inclined go corel basis popularity anyone give us informed opinion package would suitable even better alternative available \? faq , please withhold flames send location faq document thanks go coreldraw review couple issues ago adobe illustrator coreldraw picked best three ps 's 1 \) ok use clip art harvard draw whatever commercial purposes \? \( two deleted \) far know 's okay 'd read licence agreement comes package sure tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) subject temperature dark sky nntp posting host starman convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 10 1993apr30 head cfa harvard edu willner head cfa harvard edu \( steve willner \) writes cooked case event , energy density starlight comes microwave background , believe correct \) yeah , \? weird coincidence \? \( let 's see hands time , \)
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject kinds computer items sale ! ! ! lines 27 organization dakota state university lines 27 sale \( 1 \) cga card road track 's grand prix \( 3 5 disks \) dos 4 01 packard bell 39 dot pitch vga color monitor 256k 2 max vga card please make offers merchandise lose \? go ahead make offer ! thanks email bitzm columbia dsu edu mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) subject switching ps questions organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 63 anyways , 've built basic converters pretty good results \( 80 efficiency \) i'm running problems try design build anything puts serious amps know done \( 5v 200a guts bench \) something puzzles i'm using simple choke storage element \( basicly toroid single winding \) commercial models use transformers many windings traced seem use winding usual error feedback others seem loose \? better , anyone full schematic one could get copy \? 'd love see manage squeeze much low volume \) commercial use magnetics energy storage 's handled big caps primary side , linearly regulated power supply would considered filter caps , coming right bridge transformer transformer 's primarily step voltage \( although inductance seen switch transistor primary side negligible , anyone 's said transistor either failing get one high enough breakdown voltage neglecting include diode across would tell actually , many transistors intended switcher use today diode built \) basic switched mode power supply operates something like \( somewhat simplified manner \) ac line rectified produce high voltage , less unregulated dc rail energy storage \( filter \) caps appear across rail , switching transistor transistor current primary side transformer , resulting stepped stepped pulses secondary , rectified filtered least one transformer 's outputs sampled fed back control circuit switching transistor , acts pulse width modulation \( pwm \) fashion control \( varying pulse width \) amount energy dumped primary , therefore voltage coming secondary remaining outputs may allowed simply run whatever value , less tracking regulated output , may additional linear regulation added may also note feedback regulated output pwm control \( typically ic \) done via direct electrical connection due various safety standards require primary secondary circuits electrically isolated often , feedback path involves optoisolator meet requirement transformer n't primary energy storage device designs , mean energy stored transformer ignored besides inductive kick giving switch transistor bad time \( noted \) , also need worry getting energy went transformer back , one way another designs , happens less automatically others , need take special care ensure transformer core n't , would disastrous results \( best left imagination ! \) \) i'm stretch imagination power supply designer hopefully , real one come along soon clean gross errors bob myers kc0ew hewlett packard co opinions expressed systems technology div employer myers fc hp com fort collins , colorado sentient life form planet
cunixf cc columbia edu \( stuart alexander ridgway \) subject mr2 seats sale nntp posting host cunixf cc columbia edu reply cunixf cc columbia edu \( stuart alexander ridgway \) organization columbia university lines 31 article 1993apr26 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes article 1993apr26 noao edu , groves noao edu \( lee groves \) writes owner mr2 , several friends , uncomfortable see ad like seats seen sale , often stolen would nice see statement saying came 'll give seller benefit doubt , people aware vast majority mr2 seats market especially stolen original owner seats original poster take serious offence statement thinks thee protest much 1 2 \) please future think make allegations like made allegations , specifically gave seller benefit doubt simply made net aware fact many seats stolen , watch ask questions buying 's good advice follow buying anything third party , net elsewhere hurts touchy , touchy mike alex ridgway
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject watergate \( temper tantrums 1960 's distribution usa organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 17 article 1993apr19 pony ingres com , garrett ingres com writes one said nixon n't use office presidency personal gain lie senate committee issued indictment listed nixon 's crimes relevant ones 1 \) violating oath office 2 \) abusing presidential powers personal gain monetary advantage n't think anyone would dispute violated oath office , abused powers 's personal gain nothing inevitable mistake whose time garrett johnson clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 distribution na lines 142 andrew newell \( tan102 psuvm psu edu \) wrote think 're letting atheist mythology confuse issue \( webster myth traditional legendary story belief whose truth accepted uncritically \) qualify \? indeed , 's almost oxymoronic rather amusing instance 've found atheists hold almost atheist views accepted uncritically , especially legend many trying explain basic truths , myths , n't meet andrew , myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion appear absurd rather approach religion \( including \) rational manner debating claims stated , atheists concoct outrageous parodies hold religious accountable beliefs n't accurately term like , reasonable atheist bill divine justice according fundamental doctrines christianity , first man sinned , time accuse referencing mythology , launch xtian mythology \( time meeting requirements myth \) 's good example said read post , said , , means referring christian doctrine \( understand \) , speaking 'll know purpose posting present basic overview doctrines since seemed germane bill pretend know said means atheists claim know god exists n't know wants , contradict bible clearly says everyone knows authority bible claim repeat wrote sake getting across \? may trust bible , trusting n't make credible bible says everyone knows , 's clearly reason doubt bible , everyone knows alleged god 's alleged existance paraphrasing christian doctrine clear point , dispute bill refuted species wide condemnation justified claim evidence existence god unknown , must deliberately ignore bible ignorance excuse 1 \) , n't ignore bible bible far universally accepted bible proof god proof people thought god \( prove even \? might writing series fiction short stories case \) assuming writers believed , thing could possibly prove believed 's ignoring problem whether interpretations biblical philosophers correct 2 \) people truly never heard bible 3 \) , read faq 1 \) miss point bible point , 's contains makes difference bible even 's unaware existence , christians hold applies universally mankind shares nature fate innate knowledge god 2 \) see 3 \) read post care read faq , would n't conversation bill freedom free ignore god way free ignore gravity consequences inevitable well known cases atheist ca n't accept evidence means bzzt wrong answer ! gravity directly n't stop exerting direct rationally undeniable influence ignore god , hand , n't generally show supermarket , except god n't exert rationally undeniable influence gravity obvious gods n't said , evidence , n't accept , least agree bill secondly , human reason concept god , much , , intrinsic nature human reason always comes back question god , every generation , human reason n't always come back existance god usually come back existance god words , n't generally come back xtian god , comes back whether god , much oriental history , generally n't pop idea god much question natural forces ones world wide view , human nature makes us wonder universe came force \( \) currently control natural believe god exists religious wishful thinking yes , human reason always come back existence god , 're discussion \? bill said make point christianity eminently reasonable , divine justice human nature much different atheists think whether agree certainly correct human nature , least , basing views completely approach try looking outside world well attempt sum humanity well interesting , truth determined politically correct content granted 's extremely wasp male , anything european , thought kind dialogue , purpose , get truth things remember oxymoron , atheist , understand bill
kits sfu ca \( '69 dart \) subject '88 corolla 5spd organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 12 hi , maybe help '88 corolla 5 speed subject line says gearbox seems used '85 corolla , also somewhat , 30 , 000 miles , n't nearly bad car ! fluid case \? , could low , need change \? recall , autos fluid mistaken \? please flames owning import also old dodge , 's good shape days thanks , derek
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject satellite around pluto mission \? lines 14 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks wierd , warned plan put satellite around planet solar system keep watch \? help better ask questions spout opinion mission \( unmanned \) pluto stay orbit record things around near pluto know strange idea , \? \? could scanning pluto , also solar system , objects near , well seti looking galaxy without much solar system worry michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
subject pc board layout help cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 8 hi , questions laying pcb using dos great program question laying traces thickness \? mainly designing low voltage low current boards micro controller apps pad sizes resistors \? turning commercial pcb maker produce 1 's boards wondering minimum distance traces well info would great thanks anton
richw mks com \( rich wales \) subject mormons eternal marriage \( mormon temples \) reply richw mks com \( rich wales \) organization mortice kern systems inc , waterloo , ontario , canada lines 40 david hammerslag asked \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement resurrection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? several explanations seeming contradiction proposed , lds scholars whose opinions studied take less one following three positions \( 1 \) jesus talking group people \( sadducees \) trying trip felt silly hypothetical tion ridiculed concept resurrection \( something n't believe \) people associated \( us seven brethren , matt 22 25 \) would receptive higher blessings eternal marriage hence , people story would likely married ties n't mean , faithful people could blessing \( 2 \) jesus making distinction state condition married , process becoming married latter activity \( marrying giving marriage \) take place , eternal marriages taken care \( 3 \) account \( three synoptic gospels \) missing something would make real meaning clearer note \( lds \) believe biblical inerrancy , general feel obliged reconcile every bible text modern revelation joseph smith latter day ets particularly upset account question significantly revised joseph smith translation inspired version bible , since believe work completed failure revise passage con divine approval passage stands kjv rich wales richw mks com mortice kern systems inc \( mks \) 35 king st n waterloo , ontario , canada 2w9 1 \( 519 \) 884
swh cup hp com \( steve \) subject quantum hard disk phantom seeks organization hewlett packard , cupertino lines 25 quantum hard disk phantom seeks purchased installed quantum 3 5 hard drive , model , concern behavior although disk drive seems behave properly respect file , performs call phantom seeks pc absolutely idle , hear activity drive every 30 40 seconds , lasting 1 2 seconds activity seems initiated strictly within drive since disk led never comes disk led attached disk controller card , drive hard disk , seagate st3283a , kind behavior anyone comment strange phenomenon \? steve swh cup hp com 11 \( 408 \) 447
puff pnl gov \( annette koontz \) subject graphics software needed organization battelle pacific northwest labs , richland , wa lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host puff pnl gov originator puff pnl gov hello , looking graphics package \( preferably complete source code \) run unix operating system \( sequent running 3 2 \) graphics package must support wide variety character based graphics devices \( pc 's running terminal emulator , primarily \) point , x11 graphics option graphics program , possible , support sorts graphics operations \( minimum requirements \) 1 \) complicated axes \( log , linear , etc \) fairly precise axis labels \( multi line labels , etc \) major minor axes , etc 2 \) would nice limited amount color plotting available , output device supported copy gnuplot currently using , gnuplot limitations looking something robust gnuplot point , i'm looking information packages might solve problems information , please contact email address product know commercial software package , please send phone number email address contact pricing , etc annette koontz battelle pacific northwest richland , wa usa
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject waco burnout organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 28 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) says rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article visser convex convex com , visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes ca n't wait investigation considering everyone dead place burnt ground , guess honest citizens take word atf much threat people batf warrant unsealed yesterday entire operation illegal day one authority knock raid authority use texas helicopters authority search drug lab atf lies clinton reno lying
sontakke helix enet dec com \( sontakke \) subject review 1989 ford taurus sho organization digital equipment corporation lines 21 article andrew cmu edu , sam andrew cmu edu writes one way , works manual trans cars 've driven , personal favorite \( suggestions great , try one , \) pushing shifter gently towards reverse , let clutch slowly \( right friction point \) shifter pulled position right , car wo n't jump backward , gears grind glide back sam vouch method 1990 sho sure way putting reverse without problem every time sontakke digital equipment corporation , maynard internet sontakke helix enet dec com uucp decvax , ucbvax , allegra ! decwrl ! helix enet ! sontakke sontakke helix enet decwrl dec com
fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) subject highlights organization duke university durham , n c lines 25 nntp posting host keynes econ duke edu article 1993apr26 846 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes might suggest appropriate forum game game highlights particular team mailing list , rather rec sport baseball \? looked might see selected particular word , discovered line express permission , liberty , probability , possibility also said something polite alternative may presence probability , possibility certainly used partially explain word selection , 'd say purposes , yes , might fact , \( asking specifically \) next question , would mailing list appropriate \? n't get mailing lists surely n't get mailing lists teams seems r baseball appropriate place look information teams one n't necessarily follow day day intended flamage , rather attempted answer , posed post question bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait ba b anyone lemur \? 's learn spell , pathetic \)
kin lap upenn edu \( kevin j \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows organization university pennsylvania , language analysis center lines 19 nntp posting host kin lap upenn edu article gpsemi com wilkinson roborough gpsemi com writes hi , first time 've posted net , hope going right people i'm looking software packages run ibm pc clone allows display openlook motif windows pc highly recommend starnet 's micro x versions dos windows , support pc tcp , clarkson packet drivers used successfully twm , mwm , olwm , ethernet slip tech support top notch really impressed kevin kevin j \( kin lap upenn edu \) monkey boys evil lead programmer analyst lord supreme univ pennsylvania language analysis center 3700 market st , suite 202 phila , pa non jerk
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject notwithstanding geographic location , greece un european organization zuma distribution world lines 83 article 1 vax1 bham ac uk vax1 bham ac uk writes turkey may wish , issue funny mention 's whole point invariably miss source nations , human development report , ' 1990 annual output per person dollars adjusted purchasing power parity turkiye , greece chile category , 3 , 000 5 , 999 source economics theory paul r maurice , harper collins publishers , 1991 , \( second edition \) terms output per person dollars adjusted purchasing power parity , ' greece category turkiye indeed , greek governments enormous problems tackle economy shambles , corruption rampant , air pollution outrageous dimensions , state sponsored terrorism name game infrastructure another insightful article new york times \( sunday , april 7 \) exposes dirty greece , describes pariah european community article reports '' un european , greece uses community cash register , times even steals european tax money political home principal members community admit mistake accept greece european community '' affirmation testimony fact notwithstanding geographic location , greece un european mentality attitude indeed , last 12 years , turkiye registered great success regard economic restructuring sound economy , ready integrated world economies , emerged , one , witnessed '70s 12 years ago , greece used export double much turkiye inversely , turkiye 's overall exports exceed far greece far tourism incomes concerned , witnessing phenomenon governments turkiye put particular emphasis infrastructure investments \( rather investing world terrorist organizations \) , thereby solving issue completely indeed , '70s , question conduct telephone call eastern anatolia west nowadays , case , far remote town , even village may , time , long distance call given country however , could applied greece fact , easy athens trunk call germany round clock happen greek islands , chance pretty slim therefore , would exaggeration argue turkiye far ahead greece regard facilities greece , virtue full membership , enjoyed advantages ec , obtaining huge grants extensive subsidies turkiye , access similar financial supports , nevertheless managed create better economy enabled produce consecutive current accounts surplus last two years , turkiye deserves country region permanent current accounts surplus serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
mandtbacka finabo abo fi \( mats andtbacka \) subject burden proof reply ray engr latech edu 's message 21 apr 1993 20 34 49 gmt organization unorganized usenet postings uninc x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 29 note talk origins removed crossposting , business going first place 7hg aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu writes make statement , god exists , loves , etc way insist believe , place burden proof upon , 're achieving anything either n't want argue point 're stating , bother stating \? insist god n't exist , place burden proof upon \? read \( alt atheism \) faq find give proofs , give testimony beliefs well enough feel interested , might even listen respond proofs attempt disprove beliefs wo n't task impossible , n't first place even bother change disprove beliefs \? mats strong \? andtbacka disclaimer \? 's great young insane !
cs173sbw sdcc5 ucsd edu \( cs173sbw \) subject video benchmarks wanted lines 18 nntp posting host sdcc5 ucsd edu hi , trying compile chart windows dos performance local bus video card dx2 66v one local bus video cards , please email winbench 3 11 3dbench \( obtainable ftp wustl edu , pub msdos uploads \) scores please give winmark score 800x600x256 post chart enough response received tseng et 4000 w32 vlb cl 5426 vlb s3 805 928 based local bus card ati ultra pro vlb orchid celsius 9000 vlb based vlb cards \( exist \? \) mga based video cards thanks
rexlex fnal gov subject arsenokoitai scroggs \( 3 \) organization fnal ad net lines 199 cont dr james deyoung 3 r scroggs robin scroggs built upon discussion predecessors suggested new twist word scroggs believes arsenokoitai hellenistic jewish coinage , perhaps influenced awareness terminology term derived lev 18 22 20 13 lxx two words \( male \) \( bed \) , represents hebrew \( lying male \) yet believes paul originate term , borrowed circles hellenistic jews acquainted discussions \( 180 n 14 \) invented avoid contact usual greek terminology \( 108 \) true , scroggs observes , explains word appear greco roman discussions pederasty later writers avoided meaningless native speaking greeks \( 108 \) scroggs takes second part active word first word object second part , thus differing boswell 's learned discussion \( 107 \) yet scroggs understands general meaning one lies male narrow reference preceding \( cor 6 9 \) , scroggs interprets effeminate call boy , arsenokoitai active partner keeps hires occasion satisfy sexual desires \( 108 \) hence arsenokoitai refer homosexuality general , female homosexuality , generic model pederasty certainly cannot refer modern gay model , affirms \( 109 \) 's interpretation term tim 1 10 also combination \( fornicators \) , arsenokoitai \( slave dealers \) refers male prostitutes , males lie , slave dealers procure \( 120 \) refers specific form pederasty consisted boys youths sexual purposes , use boys adult males \( 121 \) even serious minded pagan authors condemned form pederasty uses instances arsenokoitai cor tim interpret apparently general condemnation female male homosexuality rom 1 consequently paul must , could pederasty mind \( 122 \) cannot know paul would said contemporary model adult adult sex relation ships \( 122 \) relating terms context contemporary ethical concerns , scroggs emphasizes point specific items list vices cor 6 deliberate , intended meaning paul form function catalogue vices traditional relationship individual item list context usually nonexistent concludes paul care specific item lists \( 104 \) basis meaning terms literary phenomenon catalogue vices , scroggs argues scriptures irrelevant provide help heated debate today \( 129 \) model today 's christian homosexual community different model attacked nt biblical judgments homosexuality relevant today 's debate longer used denominational discussions homosexuality , way weapon justify refusal ordination \( 127 \) reactions new interpretations arsenokoitai wright recent years positions bailey , boswell , scroggs come closer scrutiny perhaps critical evaluation boswell 's view david wright thorough article , wright points several shortcomings boswell 's treatment arsenokoitai faults boswell failing cite , citing , references lev 18 22 20 13 church fathers , eusebius , apostolic constitutions , clement alexandria , tertullian origen \( 127 28 \) boswell considered seriously enough possibility term derives either form meaning leviticus passages \( 129 \) significant , term derived , clearly refutes boswell 's claim first half word \( arseno \) denotes object gender second half \( koitai \) lxx must mean male sleeps male , making arseno object wright also faults boswell 's claims regarding linguistic features term , including suggested parallels \( 129 \) though boswell claims compounds arseno employ objectively employ adjective , wright believes difference two merely one diversity semantic import attaches difference two forms \( 131 \) wright believes compounds second half verb verbal force , first half denotes object second part , first half denotes gender \( 132 \) boswell 's treatment early church fathers wright takes special issue , former failed cite sources example , apology \( c ad 138 \) probably uses , , basic meaning male homosexuality \( 133 \) , contrary boswell 's discussion boswell fails cite \( 5 26 22 23 \) improperly cites eusebius syriac writer latter uses syriac terms identical syriac cor 6 9 tim 1 10 \( 133 34 \) next wright shows early church fathers use arsenokoitai parallel referring male homosexuality teenagers , dominant form male homosexuality among greeks \( 134 \) sometimes parallelism occurs listings \( adultery \) , porneia \( fornication \) , , arsenokoitai replacing \( 136 \) clement alexandria 10 108 5 cites second table ten commandments shall kill , ou \( shall commit adultery \) , ou \( shall practice homosexuality boys \) , shall steal \( 150 n 43 \) another occurrence \( commit homosexuality \) exists oracles 2 71 73 may , wright observes , word coined jewish pre christian writer hellenistic setting represented , book 2 \( 137 38 \) wright also discusses uses arsenokoitai \( 6th c \) drew upon first century ad writer , \( 4th 5th c \) , john faster \( 595 \) \( 139 40 \) last particular bears idea homosexual intercourse , contrary boswell wright next replies boswell 's contention term would absent much literature homosexuality denoted \( 140 41 \) wright points expected writers prior first century ad since exist , greeks used dozens words phrases refer homosexuality , sources \( e g \) show acquaintance paul 's letters deliberately avoid citing scripture , boswell citing several church fathers \( 140 41 \) boswell 's treatment chrysostom particular draws wright 's attention \( 141 44 \) boswell witness chrysostom , omitting references asserting patently untrue chrysostom gives long uncompromising clear indictment homosexuality rom 1 26 boswell exaggerated chrysostom 's infrequent use term wright observes boswell failed demonstrate us etc patently denote male homosexual activity \( 144 \) infrequent relatively technical nature availability term clearly specified prevailing form male homosexuality greco roman world wright also surveys latin , syriac , coptic translations tim cor three render arsenokoitai words reflect meaning homosexual e , understand arseno object second half word \( 144 45 \) none primary versions supports boswell 's limited conclusion based wright concludes discussion observations catalogues vices literary form believes lists developed late judaism hellenistic jews wrote clear condemnation homosexuality greek world increased concern part moral philosophers homosexual indulgence term came influence lxx \( 145 \) writers spoke generally male activity males rather specifically categorized male sexual engagement \( 146 \) arsenokoitai interchangeable , former encompassed latter \( 146 \) summary , wright seeks show arsenokoitai broad term meaning homosexuality arises judaism views boswell , scroggs , others limit term active male prostitutes pederasty without significant support linguistic historical studies next questioning position william peterson , get good stuff historical linguistic studies include symposium plato doubt modern understanding homosexuality understood time paul , certainly clear things also review paul 's use 20 nt , , 1 \) law fulfilled , done away , 2 \) lev 18 20 universal following chapters general put forth ot longer holds true today culture , stick around one 13 r scroggs , new testament homosexuality \( phil 1983 \) 86 , 107 8 independently came conclusion apparently connection made e sophocles , greek lexicon roman byzantine periods \( ad 1100 \) 14 see discussion , 101 4 says thing paul 's language rom 1 26 27 \( 128 \) doubtful see cautious words p , cor 6 homosexuality condoned church \? 17 \( 1979 \) 205 12 observes words , malakoi , arsenokoitai part jewish anti gentile yet paul 's end vice list , , indicate paul addressing real potential abuses ethical message , citing primitive tradition \( 210 \) wright disputes attempt associate term idolatry \( 147 \) 15 boswell 's treatment rom 1 26 7 , article r b hays , relations natural unnatural response john boswell 's exegesis romans 1 , jre 14 1 \( spring 1986 \) 184 215 , excellent critique 16 f wright , homosexuals prostitutes \? meaning arsenokoitai \( cor 6 9 , tim 1 10 \) , vc 38 \( 1984 \) 125 53 17 unpublished paper , henry mendell , arsenokoitai boswell paul , effectively boswell 's claims regarding philology arsenokoitai finds meaning general , male sex male \( 4 11 \) 18 wright 's \( 148 49 \) list additional sources church fathers 19 also noticed tendency boswell fail cite references sodom sodomy apocrypha see j b deyoung , critique interpretations ot apocrypha , 146 588 \( 1990 \) 437 53 20 light claim made boswell arsenokoitai points meaning lacking homosexual significance , wright asks neither philo josephus use , josephus , clement use latter chrysostom former \? \( 152 n 71 \) recent article , homosexuality relevance bible , 61 \( 1989 \) 291 300 , wright points paul shows remarkable extending ot ethic church \( 300 \)
johnston udel edu \( bill johnston \) subject iici rom offers 32 bit clean rom iix nntp posting host udel edu organization university delaware lines 45 article mdavis crash cts com mdavis crash cts com \( morgan davis \) writes last week 's macweek article ford indicated david ramsey 's mac iix running nicely mac iici rom , offering clean 32 bit rom code \( liberating iix virtual memory nightmare caused apple 's 32 bit system enabler \) would make bit suspect mr ramsey 's qualifications self styled expert , fact , read anybody using virtual memory regularly kind wonder \) yes , one sometimes get away running newer rom \( correct size , obviously \) older machine , one prepared problems running software checks machine type rather rom trap availability draws incorrect conclusions special casing especially timing dependent driver related stuff particular case see reason go trouble rom swapping apple 32 bit enabler problems , mode32 works fine 7 0 , 7 0 1 , 7 1 anyone know source roms \? sure buy used iici motherboard call pre owned electronics , , parts dealers \( see back computer shopper one mac trades phone numbers \) ask price iici rom everything price happen find somebody iici dead motherboard , might get decent price probably market used mother boards well , might sell rom anyway needless say , i'm interested purchasing rom would reasonably price offer \? ask quote try offering less \? pre owned known dicker ads various trade magazines often list considerably different prices items , phone quotes tend vary well still , i'm aware technical reason upgrading rom iix bill johnston \( johnston udel edu \) 38 chambers street newark , de \( 302 \) 368 1949
lars cs sun ac za \( lars michael \) subject jpeg specification reply lars itu sun ac za organization university stellenbosch , south africa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 37 recently got document describing jpeg \( jfif \) file format looking thru , n't get idea determine size pic pixel without decoding whole image get height width jpeg jfif \? determine wether color greyscale picture \? wrote small tool \( \) gif returns , picture size color resolution header chunks output looks like bla gif 480 use create index files archive since jpeg getting popular would like similar tool jfif , output like bla jpg 480 c24 please respond email , n't read news group often 'll post summary useful thanx advance , larry lars larry michael \( mr gif \) murphy 's law lars itu sun ac za go wrong , informatik uni erlangen de spec stud univ stellenbosch south ham zr grad stud univ erlangen germany irc pit
subject help antidepressants requested penguin equinox gen nz \( gordon taylor \) distribution world organization private household , christchurch , new zealand lines 28 hello , small problem friend mine experiencing would appreciate help friend diagnosed severe case depression requiring antidepressants cure main problem side effects far prescribed prozac , , different unbearable side effects prozac gave bad anxiety jitters , impossible sit still minute whilst effect , feelings lost body co ordination similar drunken person brain clouded gave legs panic attacks along ordination occurred know brain closed anyone similar problems suggestions next step \? thankyou advance gordon taylor e mail penguin equinox gen nz
iisakkil beta hut fi \( mika iisakkila \) subject universal phones days \? reply d9bertil dtek chalmers se 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 10 46 42 gmt nntp posting host beta hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland news chalmers se lines 10 d9bertil dtek chalmers se \( bertil jonell \) writes son return much americans know rest word \? flamewar anyone \? let 's save bandwidth , skip intermediate articles go straight nazis hitler \) \( wall sockets , thank , 're better \) segmented memory helps structure software
lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) subject cherry help , organization wayne state university , detroit mi u lines 55 nntp posting host cms cc wayne edu article mfpirbo00wbli1ispc andrew cmu edu william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like ass let know maybe i'm missing something well , detroit get see hear cherry quite regularly detroit area picks hockey night canada cbc \( ch 9 \) windsor see cherry 's coaches corner periods also get see cherry 's grapevine game grapevine hockey talk show talks player coach else hockey 's actually pretty good show n't annoying coaches corner think got nickname 'grapes' i'm sure use coach boston bruins n't know exactly could someone fill info \? local radio station detroit \( \) talks every tuesday morning personally , 've fill ! really pisses sometimes detroit toronto game monday night cbc , gave high praise doug gilmour , saying two way player designated goal scorer probably best player game 's fine agree gilmour good two way player said exact thing yzerman month ago local radio talk show gives \? seems like set speech changes goes city city cherry 'i think insert star player name city best two way player league today ' times \( ca n't remember exactly said \) basically changed opinions match audience talking someone net said something criticized mario lemieux time comes broadcast cup playoffs civic center \( yes , think pens make wales conference \) apologize left right remarks lemieux opinion , ass wo n't change opinion i'm different city sorry , n't answer question better get chest laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! !
chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu article utkvx utk edu ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) writes cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source yeah , probably included industries educational institutions uses mostly work stations \( suns , dec , ibm etc etc \) turns monitor left untouched 5 min chung yang leslie jones ljones utkvx utk edu , turns monitor 's using
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject jack morris organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 19 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes say one player better another able say ab player 's team would played better player b lineup sheer speculation impossible ascertain disciplines 100 certainty necessary state something fact baseball one therefore say know clemens better morris last year , larkin better griffin , ca n't ascertain ca n't prove i'm required since obviously feel threads meaningless , n't simply stay \? valentine \( , i'm going roger maynard complete total dickhead send e mail insist details \)
cs city ac uk \( \) subject blinking cursor xterm \? \? \? organization computer science dept , city university , london lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host fred cs city ac uk back days x11 1 analyse xterm code cursor implemented drawing rectangle around character n't seem changed 'til sources could add blinking cursor via xtappaddtimeout similar server overhead mildly ridiculous , though \( see also desqview x , dos windows \) really want xterm wake every half second whack server bitblt \? dos x servers terribly slow use experience , guess performance would pretty bad believe discussion valid x server decent workstation eno trouble new age janet uk ac city music 's eno uk ac city cs evil brian eno us city ac uk cunyvm cuny edu
ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) subject gamma ray bursters article ptolemy ethanb senator bedfellow mit edu 1993apr26 8998 desire wright edu organization u washington lines 13 nntp posting host ptolemy astro washington edu jbatka desire wright edu reply jbatka desire wright edu 's message 26 apr 93 15 59 15 est article 1993apr26 8998 desire wright edu jbatka desire wright edu writes assume guessed assumed energy event 1 r 2 law , 1 r 2 law incorrect \( assume unknown material dark matter \? \? inhibits gamma ray propagation \) , could possible actually seeing much less energetic events happening much closer us \? even distribution could caused characteristic propagation distance gamma rays shorter 1 2 thickness disk galaxy believe problem theory see gamma ray sources energy range energy n't seem significantly absorbed
eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject comparing saabs bmw 's organization skulls 'r us lines 21 nntp posting host 192 42 145 4 article exodus eng sun com tut cairo eng sun com \( bill bill \) writes reasonable sum , get bmw traction control torque sensing \( limited slip \) rear differential traction control far optional feature one buys cars thing torque sensing differential torque sensing differential type lsd , lsd 's torque sensing viscous coupled \( opposed viscous \) rotational sensing , torque sensing matter , traction control systems use abs sensors pulse braking older whatever familiar workings eliot
cpqhou se hou compaq com \( steve \) subject request gyro \( souvlaki \) sauce organization compaq computer corp distribution usa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 32 michael trofimoff \( tron fafnir la locus com \) wrote hi , would anyone 'net land' happen authentic , sure fire way making great sauce used adorn gyro 's souvlaki \? thanks , home posted one fellow netters month ago memory think i'm fairly close \( way great ! \) 1 plain yogurt 1 2 med sized cucumber shredded 3 garlic \( less taste \) 1 4 dill weed yogurt dumped lined coffee filter allowed drain least 2 hours \( adjust sauce increasing time 24 hours \) shredded drained way mix together let steep least 2 hours \( 's better next day \) enjoy ! steve
demers cs ucsd edu \( david demers \) subject us robotics dual standard modem 4 sale keywords modem , dual standard organization cse dept , uc san diego lines 12 nntp posting host ucsd edu article 1993apr23 samba oit unc edu , sean donovan launchpad unc edu \( sean donovan \) writes us robotics external dual standard , latest roms still warranty v 32 v 32 bis v 42bis 5 hst compatible well b 450 sells well 700 mail order sells 570 \( southern california \) almost everywhere dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ! ucsd ! cs ! demers la jolla , ca 92093 0114 \( 619 \) 534 0688 , 8187 , fax \( 619 \) 534 7029
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization stratus computer , inc lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article da2 menudo uh edu , hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) writes someone else pointed , would stove use warm day texas eat food cold \? minor quibble assualt \( one \) began near dawn fire break several hours find highly unlikely bd would cooking lunch armored vehicles punch holes house pumping tear gas look , n't want bore everybody physics woodstoves , 're anything like gas range takes three hours woodstove get hot enough cook , afterwards ca n't shut contain hot embers 24 hours even choke completely ai n't exactly light stove cook batch , aunt j use woodstove cooking , even heating house night , lit extent time trust one , speak experience cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject happy easter ! nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 61 dave edmondson , wed , 21 apr 1993 12 05 41 gmt wibbled nick pettefar \( npet bnr ca \) wrote kevinh , tue , 20 apr 1993 13 23 01 gmt wibbled jonathan quist yes , 's minor blasphemy u companies would \? \? likes , jaguar , \( sob \) lotus 's outright sacrilege rr non british ownership 's fundamental thing lotus looks set management gm n't happy elan late pricey write elan development costs may able sell sensible price think legal clause rr name , regardless owns must british company owner e ba sell company name kevinh hasler ascom ch n't believe ba anything rr 's seperate company rr aero engine company 's vickers rolls royce cars yes kevin posts , morgan use sliding pillar front suspension ob bike \( long bleeding last \) pettefar get mail address list \? dave david edmondson davide dcs qmw ac uk queen mary westfield college dod guzzi le mans 1000 means end horse drawn zeppelin , mean like one signature \? ! hello ! nick \( connected biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford mail address m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \( \)
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject basic crypto requirements organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 20 nntp posting host access digex net order formulate rational position cryptography policies acceptable , must set forth list basic requirements would propose following starting point 1 algorithm must publicly known , must record surviving attempts outside experts find weaknesses 2 system implementation must make possible verify advertised algorithm , fact , one used 3 key must quickly user , must sufficient length complexity defeat brute force search possible reasonably near future note requirements incompatible form key escrow system may 1993 issue byte describes example encryption system clearly implemented manner consistent requirements requiring parts key escrowed order one 's public key listed central distributor
coates bigwpi wpi edu \( jeffery david coates \) subject test organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 4 nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu test
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject lead acid batteries part 2 ! ! ! organization lines 58 article cbfsb cb att com rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) writes article 1993apr27 1 ulkyvx louisville edu jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes article 1993apr26 mprgate mpr ca , vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) writes lots stuff deleted lead acid secondary cell discharge reaction exothermic glad dispute point n't want lead storage battery discharge , stored charged state equilibrium state winter , ground , covered concrete , dirt , wood , maintains cooler temperature average surrounding air battery heat capacity air less concrete , dirt , wood , heats faster conversely , air cools faster , normal storage procedure battery leave unheated garage basement storage surface often cooler surrounding air , battery temperature somewhere e g , basement air temperature may 70 f , floor temperature 65 f , battery temperature 66 f air temperature higher battery temperature heat reaction going move gradient floor temperature lower battery temperature , heat going move floor incredible heat sink might depend live know locally , winter ground , concrete floor , within sheds garages \( unheated \) warmer average air temperature air get warmer day , night , ground concrete definitely warmer , especially protected walls albedo effect nights longer several hours days rest quoted text deleted jeff white jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu richard dell sorry following article , wanted continue might missed important thing might temperature differences per se , action heat sinking battery someone could conduct experiment , taking two identical lead acid batteries , placing wooden shelves , putting one water bath designed act heat sink would eliminate floor , keep batteries ambient temperature think argument temperatures pertinent , one heat conductance removing exothermic heat may validity richard dell
zmola bert eecs uic edu \( carl zmola \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization university illinois chicago lines 42 ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes preferred applications development platform according 432 fortune 1000 corporations survey market research survey \( percentages \) 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 os 2 8 17 14 14 99 99 , may 1993 , page 28 's interesting see greatest vapour project world able make much difference \) world computer market share broad category \( \) 1991 1996 dos , windows , netware 37 0 40 0 unix 11 6 21 0 ibm mainframe 17 4 14 4 vax vms 3 7 2 6 ibm minis 4 1 4 0 macintosh 3 6 4 6 22 6 13 4 1996 projections idc source unix world , jan 1993 sombody 's data wrong since mac os , finder , whatever want call n't appear first survey , tend doubt results sombody wrote n't mean correct carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu
ivan erich triumf ca \( ivan reid \) subject vfr st11 owners get hidden feature organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf ca summary light switch allows dual use high low beams keywords lights news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article c61r0b c7 world std com , daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) writes enjoying lunch saturday milford nh assortment nedod folks dean cookson \( yes left country , yet \) mentioned wiring diagram vfr750 shows light switch three position switch high beam low beam beams well actual ergonomics switch make appear 2 position switch , sure enough deam expected , balance toggle switch center position high low beams go provides nice light coverage road true st11 vfr750 would expect late model honda standard two position light switch thanks dean reading schematics , try 'll like bit careful used balance switch h4 insert beams eventually fried main ignition switch , n't designed pass sort current ivan reid , paul scherrer institute , ch ivan cvax psi ch gsx600f , rg250wd si 2 66 porsche pass ! dod 484
hkuxa hku hk \( mok kam wah \) subject driver 2mb card nntp posting host hkuxa hku hk organization university hong kong x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 13 dear netters , friend brought card 2mb ram new driver card available ftp cites \? newest version \? interest driver 1024x768 hicolor 800x600 true color driver come card k w mok k w mok e mail hkuxa hku hk dept chem , university hong kong
inria fr \( eric \) subject accented characters keywords x11r5 xterm organization inria lines 57 've able configure xterm type accented characters i'm using x11r5 , iso8859 fonts , shell tcsh following definitions setenv lc ctype iso 8859 1 stty , add following xdefaults file xterm true xterm true xterm vt100 translations override meta key ' keymap \( \) n meta key ` keymap \( grave \) n meta key keymap \( circ \) n meta key , keymap \( ced \) xterm vt100 translations shift key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key c string \( \) n key c string \( \) xterm vt100 translations shift key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key u string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key u string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key string \( \) keymap \( none \) xterm vt100 translations shift key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key e string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key u string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key u string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key string \( \) keymap \( none \) n shift key string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key string \( \) keymap \( none \) xterm vt100 translations shift key c string \( \) keymap \( none \) n key c string \( \) keymap \( none \) makes meta ' , ` , keys behave dead keys course , works xterm emacs , solution install lucid version 19 , load x compose library hope helps , eric eric eric inria fr inria , rodin les font bp 105 , le cedex les tel \( 33 1 \) 39 63 56 19 \( \)
bag end pad otc com au \( goldstein \) subject bates eye exercises organization limited lines 23 mailed correct newsgroup \( \) \? newsgroup \( \) cover following topic \? anyone myopia \( short \) ever done bates eye exercises \? , could please e mail following information age state sight exercises commenced type , frequency , length time spent exercises performed improvements noticed immediately performing exercises length period improved sight thanks advance replies 'll summarise post results 's enough interest jonathan goldstein jonathan goldstein otc com au 61 2 339
pyotr halcyon com \( peter hampe \) subject welcome police state usa organization northwest nexus inc lines 46 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell course , otherwise would n't staged raid first place paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear seems bit redundant stupidity batf mindset 'we 're washington know better execute plan storm compound knock locals gullible , cares served knocking door old fashioned , dated method law enforcement anyway gotta latest technology , know \? sweet baby n't clown ever read dealing paranoids \? chus pyotr phill hallam baker pyotr halcyon com sometimes pyotr filipivich , sometimes owl optimist bagpiper beeper
uphrrmk msu oscs montana edu \( la \) subject rfd misc taoism reply uphrrmk msu oscs montana edu \( la \) organization montana state university lines 28 article 1993apr22 radian uucp , radian natinst com \( mark \) writes article 1993apr22 coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu \( jack coyote \) writes sunlight shining ocean universe , mirrored puddle aleph null bottles beer wall , aleph null bottles beer ! take one , pass around aleph null bottles beer wall ! n't amazing always seems another bottle \? aleph one bottles beer wall , aleph one null bottles beer ! , , puddle , mark wow , look pretty ! ! ! ! jimmy crack , n't care , jimmy crack n't care , jimmy crack n't care , zen master 's gone away la , wants take one pass around \( beer , \)
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject tapped , code good organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 14 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net maybe , 's quite common millions macintosh users idea 's apple 's patented roms many modems connected know business secrets n't stolen \? answer 1 trust apple 2 attempt , however sophicsticated , came , would destroy apple 's credibility forever reason could theoretically trust apple \( though i'm pc person \) \) apple worry customers deserting screw badly enough government n't worry change rules force get outcome wants ultimate reason private enterprise usually efficient government agencies
wout dutentb et tudelft nl \( wout \) subject pink noise nntp posting host et tudelft nl organization delft university technology , dept electrical engineering lines 23 tony wayne writes pink noise used sound experiments \? tony pink noise random signal low frequency components white noise look frequency spectrum white noise frequency analyzer , find spectrum power density flat , means every frequency present noise signal often pink noise obtained white noise integrating low pass filtering white noise signal therefore pink noise contains much low frequency components effect pink noise sometimes used simulate thunder roaring animals additional low pass filter variable cutoff frequency explain enjoy wouter
reddy ulysses att com \( p reddy \) subject 82 toyota tercel good condition make offer summary cheap car sale keywords toyota tercel 1982 car distribution usa organization none lines 33 hi '82 blue toyota corolla tercel sale reason great little car new celica car specifications 1982 toyota corolla tercel 5 speed miles 2 door blue air conditioning heat fm stereo well taken care maintained clean new battery , timing belt , fan belt inspection sticker valid 02 94 tough car , generally go 200k miles make offer e mail reddy ulysses att com phone \( 908 \) 582 \( work \) \( 201 \) 635 \( home \) reddy include std disclaimer h p reddy bell laboratories
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject hart trophy stuff organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 31 1993apr26 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article 1993apr24 mtroyal ab ca caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca writes hart trophy goes player valuable team , best player league arguement really worthless personally , always thought valuable team silly best player league penalized plays team good players \? lesser player picked solely 's best player weak team \? would n't weaker team helped even best player league \? n't presence best player league make players team look better , \? hart trophy awarded time people think terms best player , rather terms valuable team valuable team , , considered synonymous best talking time honour attitude , measurable skills , important assets player brought team , league sport onslaught professionalism clearly formerly foremost peacetime pursuit glory hart trophy prize honour cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
prism gatech edu \( matt \) subject questions organization georgia institute technology lines 64 writing paper religion reflects affects modern music brief summary questions would like answered response requested mailed directly prism gatech edu please mail post thanks advance , matt 1 \) feel groups like , slayer , freely admit practicing satanism preach songs \? 2 \) feel groups like , old , , holy soldier promote sing \? 3 \) feel groups like front 242 , xtc , revolting , minor threat , ministry condone sing atheism \? 4 \) feel bands like shelter preach hare krishna religion minority \( unheard \) religions \? 5 \) feel difference promoting music supports music satanism \? b \) feel way \? 6 \) types music listen \? 7 \) often purchase music \? b \) often music contain lyrics undertones religion \? 8 \) feel music one listens affects way one views particular religion \? religion general \? b \) affect way view religion \? religions \? 9 \) feel free add comments matthew owen \( prism gatech edu \) nothing settles man 's mind wonderfully knowledge hanged morning arthur c clarke
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! article rwing 2099 organization totally unorganized lines 87 article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu \( bill green \) writes shed light fire , widely reported \( ap , etc \) several witnesses bd folks starting fires also reported fires broke several places , rules bradley knocking lamp , etc cause would like see serious discussion incident believe moves made right proper , still problems tactics watching abc special tonight , well cnn nightline , question atf fbi actions 1 \) could possible taken koresh outside compound time feb 28th raid \? think went town fairly often , known go jogging even 9 month period watched one wonders batf went ahead , warned according interview batf agent , bd expecting , media tow almost looks like wanted nice show media , went hell also never known act violently always surrendered peacefully \( course , warrants served peacefully \) tried allegations found guilty justification mess alleged purchased 200 , 000 00 worth guns stuff \( undetermined time period \) last heard crime , indication one know individual much value guns get fly thru door shoot first talk later raid \? \( grenades shooting first , nobody know say 'oh , thats stun grenade , thats ok ' \) \? sure cannot also , one cannot sure 200k figure calculated like feds calculate value drug even , 'so issue n't bothering anyone \( besides batf n't like folks govt people effective guns \) unapproved religeous group required offend batf days \? sure hope n't come point , add need independent investigation , assuming fbi batf preserving evidence 2 \) could wait resulted different outcome bugged inclined think wait would saved lives one wonders n't emergency gear hand moved , n't turn water fire observed , instead saying aw , gee , water long fire gear even showed like building pretty much finished burning \? safety \? n't decision firefighters allowed make \? water \? n't feds turn back \? sure could cut quickly enough one wonder possibility 3 \) fbi actions \( blaring loudspeakers , etc \) right course action \? questions like said , believe actions taken , general , proper still reservations one point , i'm fan janet reno , like way balls go ahead take full responsibility seems like waffle boy problems figuring stood issue mean \? think going facing jail time acts found criminal \? think going face repercussions fbi batf found acted wrongly \? n't nice pr gimmick , though assured even serious independent investigation possible wrongdoing criminal acts part batf fbi expect hear best law enforcement would n't anything like way question end issue want see independent investigation , full prosecuting subpoena powers felony prosecution felony acts found fat chance , bet bet justice dept internal investigation turn hope wrong , gone fine tooth pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
cs cmu edu \( thomas galen ault \) subject catholic doctrine predestination organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 24 article may 13 02 28 48 1993 1471 geneva rutgers edu creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) writes article may 11 02 37 03 1993 athos rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes catholic doctrine predestination exclude free way since god knows everything , therefore knows everything going happen us free , able change happens us however , since god knows everything , knows choices make advance \( god subject time \) often arguments pit predestination free believe curiously enough , subject occupied good bit prayer life recently god 's experience time completely different , since within without using words like predestination incorrect comes describing god 's perception action , , god , beginning , living , ending lives sort god , know , could lives time could predestined actions fact , since understanding things tied linear experience time , would say impossible us understand completely free interacts god 's control universe tom ault
kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) subject go hell ! ! ! x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 16 article pharaoh cyborg bt co uk martin pharaoh cyborg bt co uk \( martin gorman \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! oh fuck actually , think 's confused i'm going hell i'm gay , becuase n't believe god \( wonder means ca n't come tammy picnic \? \) kcochran nyx cs du edu b \( 0 4 \) c e f g k \( \) r \( \) \( \) tsakc thoughts , posts , ideas , responsibility , beer , pizza ok \? \? \? i'm daddy 's
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callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject super mega automobile sighting \( \) ! ! ! ! ! exotics together ! nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 56 article phantom gatech edu grahamt phantom gatech edu \( graham e thomas \) writes jmm4h virginia edu \( blade runner \) writes gt 40 \? ! gotta top 5 favorite cars time list place \? car sale \? come , need details anyways , say wow sighting fine beast remember , mustang forever true king road place used small town \( \) north atlanta n't know car sale , would n't put price window type car anyway damn straight ! far 've heard , unless owner hard , gt 40s sale price mere mortals could afford maybe mustang forever king road , gt 40 n't road legal think gt 40 actually street legal , although particular question moot \( see price figures \) car right hand drive \( n't like \? \) much gt 40 go \? many made \? wish could find shelby american guide included gt 40 registry \( '88 \) precious made \( fifty number springs mind made enough qualify manufacturer 's cup , whichever series shelby broke 's 13 year winning streak '65 \) , accounted last price saw estimated gt 40 little bit 1 , 000 , 000 \( yes , 's right , one million us dollars second worthless piece ferrari would blow doors \) n't recall hand drive configuration , although i'm certain must , sold qualify racing ford 427 \( hi , think , side oiler \) coupled various 4 speed transmissions also used 3 speed manuals lots problems original breaking load 427 layout rear engine , rear drive , bundle snakes exhaust headers remeber bits pieces info , ca n't remember whether applied gt 40 shelby cobra daytona coupe 'll try find reference james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
jackson sandman ece clarkson edu \( peter jackson , , , \) subject hacker ethic go \? nntp posting host sandman ece clarkson edu organization clarkson university lines 31 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu , aurora alaska edu put thus hacker ethic gone \? still exists , \? , exist , call hackers allowing perpetuate \? creating new , innovative , interesting ideas stop sos maintaining choke hold computer industry \? since posted comp ai , assume ai angle hacking ai students 're really supposed something else , e g thesis research write , getting pet programs run properly , etc one gets much glory hacking , one gets money producing good free software requires enormous investment time resources many people , want , afford particularly recession addition , last 10 years , think de emphasis producing running programs ai research , greater emphasis formal approaches problem solving students proving instead writing programs conference year two ago , johann de suggested everyone 'get back write programs demonstrate ideas say i'm inclined agree \( n't claim , n't think invalidates remarks i'm sure n't whole story \) peter jackson , dept electrical computer eng , clarkson university opinions expressed employer organization second violin , fiddling firefighters \( rome branch \)
pv cea fr \( pierre \) subject xdm configuration nntp posting host cea fr organization france lines 27 article hermes hrz uni bielefeld de , uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de \( lars koeller , d0 231 258 , , \) writes hello ! want configure x11r5 sytem \( i486 33mhz running bsd like unix \) comming chooser menu different machines \( works \) connect connection works localhost ! 'x indirect machine ' works well ! configuration starting boot time servers specified xservers starting x server boot time x indirect localhost deleted need start x server indirect name start indirect localhost , use loopback adress 's adress try contact another host , one try answer loopback adress good remember every machine adress 127 0 0 1 loopback network pierre \( 1 \) 69 08 65 42
jagst18 pitt edu \( josh grossman \) subject waco burning organization university pittsburgh lines 26 article acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes necessarily body denatured \( cooked \) dehydrated due heat , projectile needs minimal kinetic force penetrate fire , bodies tend fall apart loose large chunks meat little effort medical examiners tend like cleaning scenes , body suitably cooked , bullet comming magazine explosion would likely enough force enter thus would difficult determine whether bullet entered time death , much later , unless trained look evidence texas rangers p vasilion quite , bullet hitting burned body little energy show virtually , ie hollow point probably would expand , would also bullets marked lands barrel , n't come one good pathologist able notice right away let us hope 's handle bodies competent ones jfk 's body jag
tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe \( dwight tuinstra \) subject organized lobbying cryptography reply tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe organization sun microsystems , inc lines 16 nntp posting host signal ece clarkson edu article transfer stratus com , cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes paraphrase , may agree 're encrypting , defend right encrypt great slogan ! i'm ready sign crypto lobbying effort \( though would n't want nra offshoot \) shall also push cryptographic rights amendment \? \? dwight tuinstra best tuinstra sandman ece clarkson edu tolerable tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapiens planetary cancer \? \? news six
v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) subject civil rights violations organization university buffalo lines 53 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu i'm putting together list civil rights violations perpetrated davidians fbi batf 've got far care add provide backup info \? first amendment 1 \) fbi batf violated davidians right free exercise religion start de facto precident minority religion 2 \) fbi batf violated bd right free speach preventing speak media b preventing practicing beliefs 3 \) fbi batf violated freedom press keeping 2 miles davidians b preventing media cover fbi batf actions close c censoring media reports 4 \) fbi batf violated bd 's right assemble proven initial baseless assault second amendment 1 \) batf went many guns guns fbi batf n't approve 'nuff said fourth amendment 1 \) right bd 's secure persons , houses , papers , effects unreasonable searches seizures violated initial baseless assault fifth amendment 1 \) davidians held answer capital otherwise infamous crime without indictment grand jury 2 \) davidians deprived life , liberty , property without due process law sixth amendment 1 \) accused denied right speedy public trial impartial jury fbi became judge , jury executioner 2 \) bd 's never informed specific nature cause accusation eighth amendment 1 \) davidians suffered cruel unusual punishment fbi cut water ranch b fbi used psy war \( loudspeakers screams dying rabbits chants \) c fbi prevented family members contacting family inside ranch fbi used tear gas \( especially children \) e fbi burned ranch f escaped imprisoned without bail without hearing anything miss \? pv
mirsky hal gnu ai mit edu \( david joshua mirsky \) subject datadesk keyboard centris fix organization dis lines 11 nntp posting host hal ai mit edu hi , terry could n't agree finally received datadesk keyboard month datadesk checked n't tell phone wait pressing shift key disable extensions actually , , day keyboard arrived month earlier , help really think need put disclaimer keyboard manual david
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject clipper good enough government \? reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 26 article rdippold qualcom , rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) writes 's discussion recently whether government might exempt something use screw us well , comp dcom telecom attmail com subject odds 'n ends news clipper chip device introduced yesterday may suitable government use , says house telecom subcommittee chairman markey letter commerce secretary brown , markey asked whether use technology could lead inadvertently increased costs u companies hoping serve government private markets markey ordered brown answer several questions security cost concerns april 28 \( communications daily , 4 20 93 \) stupid wo n't cost companies hoping serve gov't private markets use technology \? doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207
yfn ysu edu \( jerry sy \) subject ford shop manuals good \? organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 14 reply yfn ysu edu \( jerry sy \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu planning buying repair manual ford taurus \( 92 \) 53 ford shop manual comprehensive enough , covering repairs aspects car \? haynes manual \? please email replies possible thanks advance jerry
csulo csv warwick ac uk \( mr j brown \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization computing services , university warwick , uk lines 24 nntp posting host clover csv warwick ac uk article 1993apr26 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( greg \) writes usually use stuff good glass either acetone , little benzene latter two bit dangerous \( possibly carcinogen \( sp \? \) \) gets job done imagine two solvents metals well glass , keep stuff away plastic benzene definitely carcinogen get hands n't use ! michael brown csulo csv warwick ac uk mjb dcs warwick ac uk lost interest \? \? 's bad 've lost apathy !
smayo world std com \( scott mayo \) subject dreams body incidents organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 66 dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) writes i'm fairly new groups , tho' heard welcome 'd like get comments question mind lot morals ethics apply dreams body incidents \? normal dreams , ca n't control anything , obviously n't morally responsible actions hm get little around phrase n't morally responsible , perhaps 've heard misused many times \( remember college folk trying argue person drunk morally responsible actions \) general , folk ca n't control dreams , perhaps day think impact , hm \? i'm sure actions dream note jesus seem adamant fact thought life least important actions go lightly argument morally responsible dreams might well important part , seem 3 alternatives 1 \) dreams oobes totally mental phenomena case morality applies beyond might called , , trying think anything evil , overly sexy violent thoughts n't know thing body experiences 've dreams , fairly vivid ones oobe vivid dream \? would argue extreme interest sort phenomena tad risky probably much better think jesus , relation , cultivate strong interest dreams unless feel plagued dreams painful control pray get help 2 \) dreams oobes reality \( e \) evidence often dreams oobes sometimes done common one person earth definition often \? know exactly one case two people substantially dream time , brothers spent day things could see dreams might similiar anyway , plane know spiritual realm n't think anyone 's dreams , perhaps outside occasional prophet 's , represent actual actions alternate plane real actions , conscious thoughts , yes would direct moral significance 3 \) like \( 2 \) , assume garbled text dream occurs different environment , different moral laws apply guess said n't see slightest hint christian writings ones environment changes way person determines moral christian wo n't always come jesus would us \? one cases truth , anyone know another alternative \? respond post email truth \? n't claim expert dreams 'll note bible n't talk much dreams outside realm god using speak us , caveat messages always clear , warns somewhere ot given , would give lot attention unless feel dreams trying tell something would discount talk alternate planes , though places concepts commonly bandied part hostile christianity , though 've run occasional exception , want , christian , want careful ideas like
alumni lakeheadu ca subject potvin stick organization external relations , lakehead university lines 4 nothing wrong felix problem n't dino hard enough next time felix aim ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! go leafs
white venus cc hollandc pe ca \( take baby ! \) subject canada 5 0 preliminary round world news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization holland college charlottetown pei lines 17 team canada defeated russia 3 1 finish round unbeaten 5 0 scoring canadians kevin dineen flyers , eric lindros also flyers paul maine black bears put quite show worlds sure drafted top 3 summer nhl entry draft canada defeated italy 11 2 austria 11 0 meeting russians sunday canadians face finland quarter finals tuesday kevin white white cc hollandc pe ca holland college pei canada
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject women guns cbs organization stratus computer , inc lines 12 distribution na nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com catch tonight 's \( thursday 's \) cbs street stories covers , among others , work aware \( arming women rape endangerment \) , women 's training group massachusetts 'll interviewing spokesperson nancy bittle , well students \( assuming interesting stuff taped makes final cut \) show ugly sunglasses , wave hi cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
jon atlas mitre org \( j e shum \) subject nature waco gas originator jon atlas nntp posting host atlas mitre org organization mitre corp mclean va lines 32 article cronkite central sun com , dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) writes heard network radio news spokesman army saying type cs gas used waco banned military use use also banned draft international agreement use chemical weapons warfare reason given use causes extreme nausea , blindness , disorientation , total irrationality , raging paranoia children would susceptible , show results earlier interesting development especially since feds \( u n \) accused saddam hussein using illegal chemicals citizens well hmmm republican guard army fbi batf \? decide hope much others tempted join cults become involved people like david koresh deterred horrible scenes seen last seven weeks president william jefferson clinton , april 20 , 1993 , press held day branch davidians compound went flames attack fbi atf near waco , texas church u government approved \? connect god damned dots ! ! ! ministry , tv song clinton administration e mail addresses campaign92 org \( mcimail \) provided public service 75300 3115 compuserve com \( compuserve \) jon edward shum \( jon mitre org \) clintonpz aol com \( america online \)
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject krillean photography organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 30 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu , alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes flame reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people seen attitude \? neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics fine , suppose point even one aspect kirlian photography 's explained corona discharge carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
eric tgm cam org \( eric \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore distribution world organization bell , revenue systems development reply eric tgm cam org lines 33 article 1993apr30 hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu writes regarding horror stories dos6 doubledisk stacker 2 \? killing hard drives wondering dos 6 mirror command works doubled drive info well normal fat table partition table records vital doubledisk info , using daily go long way toward protecting type catastrophic failure discussed n't , shame microsoft mirror one dos commands n't survive change dos 5 0 's dropped , along backup , join , couple old dos commands still use 5 0 commands absolutely , included 6 0 distribution disks however , mirror 's case , i'm 99 9 certain know anything drives eric eric internet eric tgm cam org ci , 55 \( quebec \) everybody right believe something canada \( 514 \) 663 believe 'll another beer !
europa eng gtefsd com \( hal \) subject 386 mode scsi disk organization gte lines 9 reply europa eng gtefsd com \( hal \) nntp posting host eng gtefsd com removed ide drive two scsi disk use boot disk system run windows fine 386 enhanced mode dx50 8 meg ram , adaptec 1542b bios enabled system runs fine runs windows standard mode fine , returns dos prompt trying run 386 mode 've tried gives \? \? \? \? \? \? thanks advance , hal views !
mark bart demon co uk \( mark \) subject clipper two additional possible problems reply mark bart demon co uk organization dis \( organised \) lines 16 x mailer simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 19 \) article erwin trwacs erwin trwacs fp trw com writes anyone interested adopting british telecom 's quantum encryption scheme \? 've demonstrated 10 km link automatically detects wiretapping bt phone system anything go thinks approached great caution mark without warranty , internet mark bart demon co uk implied cis , fitness particular purpose yo dude ! click , click
mg elan \( michael golan \) subject clipper scope overreacting originator news nimaster nntp posting host elan princeton edu organization princeton university distribution na lines 51 pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes problem , people scope , pointed hell , n't even heard clipper , , soothing language telling everyone nice government privacy much deleted people large need informed \? one person try talk everyone listen , hardly make kind dent ! lets write document includes reasons oppose clipper , clear , concise , non manner urge everyone take \( simple \) start repost changes let text evolve reach something us like , send copy \( personnel letter \) congress critter , local reporter sci tech , etc please , make success , try post agreed version , flames respond flame , please change subject , e g , clipper scope discussion michael golan mg cs princeton edu points made paragraphs wrong clipper chip usenet users 1 \) secret 2 \) trust escrow agencies \? 3 \) cost effective 4 \) want encryption systems , government seems want disallow future 5 \) anyone build non key system 6 \) worried back door 7 \) everyone uses clipper chip , mechanism big brother government place , change government lead especially since escrow agencies operation governed law \( president change rules allow free access keys time , e g , war \) 8 \) criminals caught wiretaps , cost risks unjustified 9 \) fbi get hold key , decrypt past future conversations
tommy boole att com \( tommy reingold \) subject likelihood radio stolen reply tommy boole att com organization bell labs , holmdel , nj , usa originator tommy hoodlum nntp posting host hoodlum att com lines 6 question whether radio stolen question radio stolen tommy reingold bell labs , holmdel , nj tommy boole att com att ! boole ! tommy
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject maxima chain wax \( mail order \) nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 21 article 1993apr21 dsd es com bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article 1993apr21 147 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes 'd try vfr , goddamn competition accessories n't mailed order yet hell , 's two weeks ordering pretty bizzare stuff like clear rf 200 face sheild , chain wax bastards 's worth , got three days chaparral 's ups ground ca ut , ymmv stuff seems work , n't called said order went 13th 're putting ups tracer watch , 'll waiting home tonight \) dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
onr netcom com \( owen rowley \) subject mow bodycount organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 17 oh note , usually poor typing made even dificult small keyboard connections piped order access news dc i'm really trying irritate spelling \) lux owen owen rowley onr netcom com \( also owen autodesk com \) eu state well natural state , enjoy abundance good fortune comes
dagibbs quantum qnx com \( david gibbs \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization qnx software systems , ltd keywords advice , pillion , help ! lines 24 article mjs zen sys uea ac uk mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes lemay netcom com \( laura lemay \) writes lotsa stuff deleted switch hands stretch shoulders , sure squeeze thighs 're rider knows 're still \) guard rail n't safe holding onto rider hmmmm everyone side pond seem want pillions hang rider rather \? i'm guy pillions female also , reasons , like idea passengers weight , comfortable position passenger , stable configuration come well holding grab rail great idea braking , n't want pillion slide forward , otherwise n't find works well david \( dagibbs qnx com \)
damelio progress com \( stephen d'amelio \) subject 1994 mustang nntp posting host organization progress software corp lines 26 vlasis cybernet cse fau edu \( vlasis theodore \) writes detroit beings compared ultra long throw stick shifts 5 0 93 mr2 turbo 93 rx7 \( buy 6 mos \) \? differential rx7 compared differential 5 0 sounds every turn \? price tag rx7 vs mustang \? part definition mustang affordable masses course ford knows argument , big piece mazda ! take good look mach iii , rx7 , way 5 0 camaro drums rear breaks hello , 90 's \? tragedy , n't think new camaros new mustangs steve 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 alan kulwicki 1992 winston cup champion 1954 1993 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject eternal marriage lines 31 hall vice ico tek com \( hal f lillywhite \) writes article may 11 02 39 09 1993 athos rutgers edu dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) writes paragraph brought mind question \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement ressurection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? deletions think jesus saying \( clearest matthew 's mark 's accounts \) marriages performed resurrection goes along belief person marry must done earth deletions problem view topic discussion passage marriages performed earth jesus' words seem indicate regards response answer question earthly marriage would valid resurrection case , straightforward interpretation , opinion , marriage exist next life raised different nature wise , would jesus offer like angels heaven contrast idea resurrected marrying given marriage \? angel like natures , someday shall , , earthly marriages irrelevant least , 's think jesus saying post resurrection validity marriages performed earth mileage may vary \) mark
organization university maine system ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) lines 15 pitchers required pitch \( attempt pick \) within 20 seconds receiving ball , 15 pitchers required pitch warm throws within one minute time frame , beginning half inning ends , two minutes reason reliever allowed warm ups simple different mound , different catcher ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine io20456 maine maine edu
aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 29 reply aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu previous article , nl oracle com \( jason durbin \) says even half speculations conspiracy made true , would expect people calling atf , fbi , texas rangers , congress branches us government immediately disbanded exceptions jeez , people really beleive crap \? also beleive zionist occupation government tooth fairy \? leave anti semitism anti gun types like holly silva fact calling batf quite time outlaw agency run contempt laws supposedly enforce admittedly mistakes made attribute malice rather stupidity \? attribute acts fbi stupidity attribute acts batf malice senator dennis deconcini held hearings misconduct smarter , 'd opinions
wpi wpi edu \( khalsa \) subject strain gage applications vivo organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 27 distribution inet nntp posting host wpi wpi edu article 1993apr28 organpipe uug arizona edu ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu \( terrance j dishongh \) writes greeting starting work project trying make strain gages bond bone vivo period several months currently using back gages , tried bonding gages bone apart two application methods n't seem much else literature engineering background medical biological would interest ideas bone growth surface cortical bone thanks help advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu terrance , good article entitled long term vivo bone strain measurement device , journal investigative surgery 1989 2 \( 2 \) 195 206 ja fp think find others searching medline khalsa , ms , dc , post doc research fellow u mass med school
subject vasectomy health effects women \? nermal santarosa edu \( eric \) organization santa rosa junior college , santa rosa , ca keywords vasectomy woman women contraception men health summary might vasectomy female partner 's long term health \? nntp posting host nermal santarosa edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 16 anyone know studies done long term health effects man 's vasectomy female partner \? 've seen plenty study results vasectomy 's effects men 's health , women \? example , might wife man become risk , say , cervical cancer \? adverse effects sperm antibodies \? changes vagina 's ph \? yeast bacterial infections \? outside study results , informed speculation \? thanks advance help ! eric nermal santarosa edu santa rosa , california telephone \( 707 \) 573
rfelix netcom com \( robbie felix \) subject warning \( please read \) keywords brick , rock , danger , gun , violent , teenagers organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 49 article 1993apr23 ctp com bpita ctp com \( bob pitas \) writes article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu \( brian harvey \) writes rfelix netcom com \( robbie felix \) writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies help children , seniors , homeless \? hear , hear ! thanks , robbie also n't read much violence teenagers , george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi 17 year olds , trying surrender , bulldozers hand , think true , without singling teenagers blame , violence socially acceptable used us 'd like discourage violence plenty work people ages well , n't right group , say n't think violence socially acceptable , means say used pistol toting heros , even thugs considered romantic think great got yelled parents playing cowboys indians \? n't think behavior somewhat encouraged back , fact think difference nowadays , teenager kills another one classroom california , day back old days , 'd never hear something like , period yeah , people act really shocked violence , though new species holocaust \? crusades \? salem witch trials \? religious persecutions middle ages \? violent acts carried name religion world \? early christians put death romans \? jews persecuted christians \? lot humans today ever know stats , far people planet 2 3 hundred years ago ! per capita acts violence probably significantly different hundred thousand years ago ! nothing new violence rf
cbnewsg cb att com \( brian reed \) subject terminal woes keywords terminal , modem organization distribution na lines 18 486 33 vlb machine , wang 96 24 fax modem using windows terminal application , way get modem change com2 , go back change com4 works fine \( set com4 port use \) n't anything plugged com2 , 've looked manual 's worth , missing \? modem jumpered com4 irq3 , understand means ca n't use second serial port modem time , i'm using second serial port anyway also , using procomm dos , always sees modem , n't always connect end answers n't know helps thanks , brian reed cbnewsg cb att com
cleveland freenet edu \( john \) subject hot shots '93 \( adult \) cards sale organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 43 reply cleveland freenet edu \( john \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu recently got case hot shots '93 cards unfortunately planned keeping sort got stuck case \( i'm going mention names , though \) , trying sell \( minus set \) interest set , box , singles , please let know set 250 cards card features great looking woman various stages dress nude , semi nude , , dressed 99 percent gorgeous , feel 4 subsets girl , girl , girls 1 9 promo cards 251 259 \( also numbered 1 9 9 9 \) emperor 's stars 269 277 stripping 260 268 also , supposed getting soon well oh , lastly , error cards cards originally intended used card 1 , company changed mind none cards easy get anyway , interest cards , please drop line , eager sell bunch oh , interested , also 1 set hot shots '92 left , 2 sets california dreaming cards well lastly , promo cards cards mentioned , well lot , though john cleveland freenet edu john freenet cleveland edu
diana cair du edu \( wes houghton \) subject scsi info needed organization university denver , denver , colorado lines 12 hi everyone , quick question anyone know whether supports new scsi 2 form , macs support thanks reading , wes wes houghton internet diana cair du edu denver , co
carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 26 article may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu , whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) writes one thinks homosexuality christianity compatible check romans 1 27 corinthians 6 9 timothy 1 10 jude 1 7 ii peter 2 6 9 gen 19 lev 18 22 \( name verses pertain homosexuality \) anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion dr ann b carlson \( b carlson larc nasa gov \) ms 366 nasa langley research center ` \) hampton , va 23681 0001
huey udel edu \( john berryhill , ph \) subject earth also pollutes nntp posting host huey udel edu organization little scraps paper , mostly lines 13 people die natural causes , hear things like murder war mother nature killing people time fact , people die natural causes due conscious actions people , 's murders \? john berryhill
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject com ports 5 8 distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 17 04 21 93 04 54 , mark unmitigated gall say anyone know standard port addresses com ports 5 8 \? \( standard sort ! \) standards pc com ports com2 de facto standards com 3 4 , guarenteed work ps 2 use 8 ports , think , n't know specs good luck ! tried contain , escaped blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject could look organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 22 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca , mark b writes yes , could look prefer post question net read somewhere long forgotten article used major league umps originally used help deaf ball player name dummy urban myth \? true \? gots ta know dummy , late 19th century baseball player , deaf order able find whether pitch ball strike , umpires developed hand signals also helped relieve stress vocal cords , n't shout strike ! ! ! ball ! ! ! ! ! 350 times game heard one worthwhile baseball book john thorn ever authored , century baseball lore \) mark b alchemy chem utoronto ca jason miller doctor guy frank tanana 1 win \? ! \? ! \? !
g vfl paramax com \( steve \) subject stats organization paramax systems corporation , pa lines 6 nntp posting host g im trying find site updated \( daily \) stats national league 'll take leagues i'm really interested national league philadelphia
walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) subject ca n't ways news enemy , news supporter organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 60 article darkstar ucsc edu , stephen orchid ucsc edu mr cramer one hand condemning news media role national news media inflaming passions message subject believe turn around actually take santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low title even use title san jose mercury news murky news \? going national media , turn around use support position present \? seems somewhat contradictory n't believe contradictory basis quality media reporting varies greatly based subject hand media proven accurate areas presenting raw , undisputed data one good example would weather page high low temperatures previous day large number locations posting little evidence show error american media failed us analysis complex events , however i'm sure come many news stories left us angry many facts cases come mind invasion panama , war iraq , disaster waco , issues surrounding acceptance gays military , war drugs , many others story bring light regarding new sex survey i'm sure due data article , would venture guess data presented deviate survey , however , think would folly blind faith single 's analysis data particular case , little analysis , reader left draw convictions many netters , mr cramer included , often forget american media merely number businesses , 's purpose life make money owners revenues come largely advertisers merely want maximum useful exposure per dollar media like fast food quality food \( reporting \) improve customers demand otherwise , business usual mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh amateur radio km6xu wx3k aol bigcookie aol com uscf l10861 , worry \? william gaines , 1922 1992 i'm gonna crush ! andre giant , 1946 1993
mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet organization trusted information systems , inc lines 48 nntp posting host sol tis com graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes yes i'm sure comp speech made , 've found low sample rate \( 3300 samples sec 8 bits per sample \) plus pd lossless sound compression code actually get speech 14 4k left definitely worth working , folks shorten works well real time n't think worked context cryptography 's sure pose sorts problems sorts people 's needed someone develop portable telephone quality speech rs232 converter imagine , , little box takes data serial port puts sound , takes sound codes signals serial port full duplex , device cryptographic device 's portable poor man 's sound blaster whatever want call 's got loads perfectly legitimate applications \) speech synthesis \( nifty libraries samples \) b \) speech recording electronic messaging c \) building voicemail systems \) internet talk radio e \) internet relay chat course , electronic messaging item b might encrypted , possibly realtime , 's user 's decision one would need 2 boxes pair modems kind cutout switch , code , say , 486 laptop 'd really like see thing developed interactive internet talk radio could done ideally , though , general purpose device general purpose enough device nobody able balk widespread use obviously , make easy , use pretty common hardware 's interesting note 'd already talked couple folks building thing , whole clipper thing started even went far track couple folks able make sample units , given incentive time 'd envisioned finding couple folks interested project helping fund development public domain board layout parts set , could published form cad drawings couple major cad packages , postscript anyone interested \? 'll start provisional mailing list let know want mjr
west mail \( joe west \) subject bbs nntp software pc tcp nntp keywords gateway2000 lines 4 organization loral data systems distribution usa read bbs back thats bbs may started gateway2000 bbs start , , would let know newsgroup name please send information e mail e mail address joe west lds loral com thanks joe west
hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject freedom u 1993apr27 cs ucla edu organization dept computer science , brown university lines 64 reply steven surya cs ucla edu 's message tue , 27 apr 93 20 31 19 gmt article 1993apr27 cs ucla edu steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) writes hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes bull shit reason world ca n't say taking views analogous kkk 's organization wrong reason morality may legislated allow theft , murder , rape allow hateful sppech whose purpose stir anger violence harry think answer mr 's question found \( mr mamaysky 's \) first amendment us constitution amendment \( \) congress shall make law respecting establishment religion , prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech , press right people peaceably assemble , petition government redress grievances steve say freedom speech banned far merely suggesting certain things universally agreed morally incorrect many things example \( 1 \) murder morally incorrect \( 2 \) idea one group people somehow racially inferior another morally incorrect etc point action serves promote morally incorrect action forbidden implies one right say innocent person murdered regardless freedom speech , may stand street corner advocate murder innocent people reason murder morally incorrect action way , since bigotry morally incorrect narrow definition given , \( 2 \) , , one else , right stand street corner promote bigotry enforcement way deny one rights guaranteed first amendment merely ensures person may target attempt deny fundamental moral right , right murdered , right discriminated believe , mr berson , blindly accept constitution terrific mistake must question constitution interpret way society live anything short effort would render us little trained monkeys , able merely repeat heard without paying slightest bit attention intent document question would disagree , mr berson \? harry
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject dc x publicity organization express access online communications usa lines 11 distribution sci nntp posting host access digex net dc x1 , make landing teh 50 yard line show years superbowl abc reporters , news event pat
darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization monash university , melb , australia lines 37 afp fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article jkj fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes hope islamic bank something bcci , ripped many small depositors among muslim community uk elsewhere deletions example islamically owned operated bank someone bet n't real islamic owners operators \? yet actually turned long running quite ruthless operation steal money small often quite naive depositors islamic bank something operates different fashion modern bank , explained \( another thread \) example , islamic banks n't pay fixed interests deposits , return investments \( varies according market , fixed like interest \) islamic banks relatively new phenomenon islamic world islamic banks west , including usa , knowledge doubt market exists least islamic banks relatively early stage development case bcci certainly islamic bank bcci ever pay fixed interest rate deposits \? answer question yes , bcci islamic bank , islamic banks specifically set pay charge interest whether muslims partially owned bank whatever completely irrelevant fred rice darice yoyo cc monash edu au
edu \( ken johnston \) subject professional sports fm radio nntp posting host edu organization thomas jefferson university lines 19 article news udel edu philly ravel udel edu \( robert c hite \) writes article 1993apr23 1 tesla njit edu slutsky tesla njit edu writes curious known professional sports teams whose games regularly broadcast fm station one aware wysp philadelphia carries games respond summarize list wip real home eagles reese birds fm radio joke least hear joke 100 yards outside city limits wip ever signal \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? ken
cc bellcore com \( michael \( \) \) subject 77 's \? organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 16 article 1r23on 4p6 bigboote wpi edu , ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) writes need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated thanx logistician reigns supreme ! ! ! go blue ! ! ! go tigers ! ! ! go pistons ! ! ! go lions ! ! ! go red wings ! ! ! ching wpi wpi edu pierre turgeon islanders mike
exuptr exu ericsson se \( patrick taylor , sounding board \) subject message mr president know happened \? nntp posting host 138 85 253 85 organization ericsson network systems , inc x disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson lines 19 article murdoch acc virginia edu rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) writes article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes i'm mostly angry davidians n't spare children awful suffering see posting , i'm bad temper well , dozens children left compound original batf assualt fbi assault 7 weeks later koresh really wanted kill children , let many go \? word ones let go visit sounding board bbs 1 214 596 2915 , ! bbs foot bill let 's get new president patrick taylor , ericsson network systems thx 1138 exuptr exu ericsson se n't let se fool
davidj rahul net \( david josephson \) subject blue led 's nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network distribution sci electronics lines 27 ecf toronto edu gladman ecf toronto edu \( gladman aviv \) writes article inqmind bison mb ca baden inqmind bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) writes 's story 're stuck regular green , red , yellow orange led 's ! \? gives ! ! \? \? anybody 'scoop' fairly low priced blue led 's \? \? \? order emit blue light , semiconductor must band gap energy within region 2 6 2 8 electron volts according physical electronics prof , ca n't get led band gap 's 's mistaken exist , semiconductor silicon carbide , inefficient expensive around 2 7 ev n't find blue leds , matter , colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light led blue plastic covering n't emit much light ones clear plastic pray tell , would make typical led emit blue light \? david josephson davidj rahul net
mcmahan netcom com \( dave mc mahan \) subject references ic organization dave mcmahan netcom services lines 44 previous article , ree88132 zach fit edu \( keith ledig \) writes looking text reference include pinouts , description , functionality ic made text exist \? docs internet reference ic 's \? would great idea major ic manufacturer made available public anonymous ftp site 's data books form text files \( ala rfc style \) would save time money ic manufacturer since text file costs nothing send around world via internet since users ic 's found internet anyway books available purchase reference \( many possible \) \? going stuck obtaining zillion databooks manufacturers \( little type books obsoleted every couple years \) use cd rom based system 45 cd rom disks 4 disk changer hooked dedicated ms dos computer contains scanned images data book pages several thousand parts ask something knows \( mostly active ic parts \) , works quite well n't handle varieties transistors diodes exist definately start right direction , need expand data base handle types stuff systems n't cheap paid 7 , 000 liscence get monthly updates cd rom disks send old ones back keep sending us updates think pay yearly fee 1 , 500 get updates find part want , look data sheet page sized monitor \( 's special monitor \) also print page want laserjet printer page printing takes couple minutes per page take dump 5 6 pages usually need feeling maker would n't like made data available internet users \) dave dave mcmahan mcmahan netcom com 17 382 59 190
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 91 article n1 apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes 13th ss divison , made bosnian muslim volunteers , quite job former yugoslavia wwii folks 60 's 70 's makes wonder many occupy positions result watching anti muslim nazis crooks idiots much still covering crimes fascist armenian grandparents nazi armenian parents \? chance early 1934 , k papazian asserted armenians toward fascism ' 1 time , could foreseen armenians would actively assume pro german stance even collaborate world war ii book dealing armenian genocide muslim population eastern anatolia however , extreme ideological tendencies could observed within dashnagtzoutune long outbreak second world war 1936 , example , quoted 'hairenik weekly ' race force treasure follow history shall see races , due innate force , created nations secure insofar reverted race becoming nation today germany italy strong nations live breath terms race hand , russia comparatively weak bereft social 2 1 k papazian , perverted , ' \( boston , baikar press 1934 \) , preface 2 'hairenik weekly , ' friday , april 10 , 1936 , 'the race april 1942 , hitler preparing invasion caucasus number nazi armenian leaders began submitting plans german officials spring summer 1942 one paikhar , son former ambassador armenian republic baku paikhar wrote letter hitler , asking german support armenian national socialist movement suggesting creation armenian ss formation order educate youth liberated armenia according spirit nazi ideas wanted unite armenians already occupied territories ussr movement conquer historic turkish homeland paikhar confined serving nazis goebbels propaganda ministry speaker armenian french language radio 1 armenian language produced yet another nazi armenian 2 1 patrick von zur \( \) , p 106 2 meyer , j berkian , rhein und , 900 deutsch , ' \( heinz verlag oldenburg 1988 \) , pp 124 129 establishment armenian units german army favored general dro \( butcher \) played important role establishment armenian without assuming official position views represented men respective organs interesting meeting took place dro reichsfuehrer ss heinrich himmler toward end 1942 dro discussed matters collaboration himmler long conversation , asked could visit pow camp close berlin himmler provided dro private car 1 minor problem soviet nationals according official nazi philosophy , subject german racism however , armenians least threatened indeed privileged august 1933 , armenians recognized aryans bureau racial investigation ministry domestic affairs 1 meyer , berkian , ibid , pp 112 113 need go \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 3 keep perfect peace whose mind steadfast , trusts isaiah 26 3
etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) subject car ! \? nntp posting host st83 ericsson se reply etxmst sta ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 31 article ctron news ctron com , smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) writes article 1993apr21 reed edu , rseymour reed edu \( robert seymour \) writes article 1993apr20 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu \( 's thing \) writes called bricklin manufactured 70s engines ford , n't bricklin six cylinder \? confusing delorean \? sure delorean v8 delorean yucky prv v6 engine joint venture \( note spelling \) , renault volvo prv engine mighty boring piece junk approx n't like revs look delorean movie back future note changed engine sound big v8 real delorean n't sounds half good also note every time spin tires movie ground wet delorean ca n't make burnout dry road ! weak engine thats mounted rear axle makes almost impossible markus larry smith \( smith ctron com \) , n't speak cabletron need ask \? liberty freedom whatever want , freedom whatever able
gowen jade tufts edu \( g lee owen \) subject xdm , xkernel , olwm lines 33 organization tufts university medford , distribution na greetings , network 20 sun workstations , running sunos 4 1 1 openwindows 3 7 sun 3 's modified run seth robertson 's xkernel image , effectively turning xterminals use xdm \( x11r4 \) manage displays 3 xkernel machines , things worked fine , installed 4 last weekend , appear found weakness 7 clients 1 sparc 2 , sparc 2 window manager eventually getting let try precise user sitting machine actual processing xterminals control keyboard screen yanked away \( department chair , kind cute \) poked xdm days satisfied fault current theory olwm \( sun version \) meant running multiple copies one machine \( happens console user runs olwm , every xterminal logged olwm running xterminal server \) anyone prior experience sort behavior \? anyone shoot obvious holes theory \? obvious \? , course , ideas solve \? ideas greatly appreciated greg owen gowen forte cs tufts edu , gowen jade tufts edu systems programmer ta , tufts university computer science dept personal info gcs go p c g w w x email explanation interested
cleveland freenet edu \( dr joshua backon \) subject west bank baseball organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 13 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu september 1990 , medical reserve unit sent prison camp take care arab prisoner housed 5 sections 1500 prisoners , section 5 units housing 300 prisoners prisoners would communicate distant sections \( sometimes 50 100 yards away \) taking stones , tying written notes stones , throwing incredible precision sections red sox \) least three prisoners could outstanding pitchers josh backon vms huji ac il
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject welcome police state usa organization grinchco lines 26 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr20 udel edu , carroll hercules cis udel edu \( mark c carroll \) writes wait second , 're ignoring major facts attempt simply serve warrant batf knock warrant initial firefight began batf threw concussion grenades building \( batf admits ! \) batf say \? everything 've seen batf , official version dissident statements batf officers conducted raid claims davidians shooting agents long within grenade range also , warrant sealed , know 'no \? mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject disks copy protected organization university nebraska lincoln lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu comments needs backup copies \? deleted 'll toss 2 cents worth 've begun think distribution disks made least reliable floppy disk stocks available 've especially plagued borland 's distribution disks i'm lucky install many 3 times crap definitely , matter course always make copies installations paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
macomber sctc com \( chuck macomber \) subject twins update 4 22 organization sctc lines 88 twins update posted april 22 , 1993 twins defeated milwaukee brewers 5 4 today conclude three game brew crew twins took two three games series , scores follows tuesday april 20th mn 10 mil 0 winning pitcher banks \( 2 0 \) wednesday april 21st mil 10 \( 10 \) mn 8 lp hartley \( 0 1 \) thursday april 22nd mn 5 mil 4 wp deshaies \( 4 0 \) sa highlight low lights series jim deshaies continues surprise twins , american league well going today 's game , deshaies 3 0 1 74 era deshaies allowed 2 earned runs 6 2 3 innings , meaning era climb slightly deshaies , came mn via trade philadelphia sent david west , continues make andy macphail look like true genius willie banks put together two solid starts twins , going 6 1 innings monday solid twins hitting deshaies banks combine 6 twins eight victories , tapani mahomes erickson 0 5 wednesday 's game marked first opposing left handed starting pitcher twins year \( rickey bones \) twins subsequent relief , including grand slam kent hrbek pushed lead 7 3 twins pitching staff could hold lead , though , allowing 4 walks 7th inning , 2 scored coming bases loaded tapani gave one walk relieved , guthrie two walks , mike hartley one walk inning tied game 7 7 , brew crew rocked mike hartley 3 runs top tenth win continues shaky brew crew 6 20 career blown saves come brew crew , today 's game shaky well coming ninth 5 2 lead , gave solo hr vaughn , hits darryl hamilton dickie thon finally retiring side , tying run made second base weak hearted twins fans advised watch ninth general news pedro munoz continues improve outfielder , playing left field tuesday 's game continues bat weakly right handed pitching , though , limited playing time gene larkin jt \( former gopher \) playing right field , bat left handed twins begin three game series detroit tigers tomorrow starting pitching scheduled erickson , mahomes , banks detroit tigers two 20 run games last ten days , provide quite challenge young mn pitching staff twins 9 hr 's year , three puckett , hrbek , winfield , third , fourth , fifth batters , respectively brian harper pegged 4 first 6 baserunners attempting steal second year , shows much improvement category jim deshaies three pick offs one balk year say best 1st base move baseball move enabled pitch tight early jams , certainly contributed 4 0 start watch see umpiring crews began calling balk tightly response opposing team complaints leg kicking behind rubber pick move current mlb al west standings \( hernandez , jtchern berkeley edu \) american west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road california angels 08 04 667 7 3 2 05 02 03 02 texas rangers 08 05 615 0 5 5 5 lost 2 04 02 04 03 minnesota twins 07 06 538 1 5 6 4 lost 1 04 04 03 02 chicago white sox 06 07 462 2 5 4 6 1 02 03 04 04 seattle mariners 06 08 429 3 0 4 6 1 04 03 02 05 oakland athletics 05 07 417 3 0 3 7 lost 1 05 03 00 04 kansas city royals 05 09 357 4 0 5 5 3 03 05 02 04
tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) subject message mr president know happened \? keywords success organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 49 article rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article 1993apr26 scubed com , wilkins scubed com \( darin wilkins \) writes article noose ecn purdue edu tbrent ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes check news today , \( ap \) authorities also found state art automatic machine gun investigators know cult 's arsenal carl stern , justice department article mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes yeah fire reportedly burned hotter 1000 degrees hot enough make bodies still authorities found gun fully automatic state art n't \? assuming favorable interpretation measurement \( temperature , rather common us fahrenheit \) , still laboring least 2 misconceptions 1 seem believe steel somewhere around 1000 c actually , melting point iron \( iron \) neighborhood 1400 c even gun found area achieved 1000 c temperature , steel parts gun would deformed , would still trivial identify nature weapon steel may melt , weaken , expand enough load steel , like load steel roof truss , pressure steel parts machine trying expand , steel extensively record , weapon found cult compound , may impossible normal ballistics tests damage done weapon , , anyway , question gun identifiable , tim mitchell todd timothy j brent man come know true happiness , brent bank ecn purdue edu accepts small part infinite universe purdue university spinoza materials science engineering paraphrased
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject transistor tube x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 29 also , ask electric guitar enthusiast type amp prefer , 'll tell tube type , since tubes lower distortion noise transistors 'course , electric guitar types say tubes sound better , dude \) course , turn , gain , add analog delay line box 'd think would n't notice distortion oh forgot phase shifters kind absurd , n't \? players even want distortion , especially hendrix fans \) lot afford amp , like playing music without distortion hard core fans want particular types distortion , e , make , amps also , transistors advantage waste heat energy use , mainly heaters cathodes tubes ah , compare mechanical systems \) n't see thing waste heat , n't seen one mechanical tv 's , 's 's guess \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk communicated communists , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm pacified pacifists
subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) stubbs hawk cs ukans edu \( jerry stubbs \) organization university kansas computer science dept lines 13 article c5sk1d c1p srgenprp sr hp com frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) writes vidar olaf \( dhhalden \) wrote somebody tell letter spesifications motorcycle models really mean cb street bike parallel twin inline 4 cylinder engine frank ball 1ur frankb sad hp com \( 707 \) 794 4168 work , hmmm first bike , , single
danb shell portal com \( dan e babcock \) subject amusing atheists agnostics nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 20 article andrew cmu edu nanci ann miller nm0w andrew cmu edu writes timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes lies hypocrisy , dude atheism takes much faith theism admit ! besides believing god means one n't deal extra baggage comes ! leaves person feeling wonderfully free , especially beaten head years ! agree religion belief often important psychological healer many people reason think 's important however , trying force psychological fantasy \( n't mean bad way , 's really \) someone else n't interested extremely rude still believed santa claus said noted belief god imperative lack belief religion causes harm , belief god dan
jeeves uwaterloo ca \( peter wood \) subject trying find pc e mail network organization university waterloo lines 33 desperately trying find pc based e mail wide area network service necessary network software establish one aware various bbs 's similar services \( like compuserve , canada remote systems etc \) require fairly specific criteria approximate order importance 1 \) mail files news read written locally network server \( ie continuous line connection \) \( note users remote use modems conventional phone lines \) 2 \) simple users system little computer knowledge never heard unix , little interest learning essential client software completely pain free 3 \) cheap would prefer paying high connect fees established commercial network , send large files members group hence \( 1 \) addition would like network server something small , simple inexpensive like 486 \( 40 people group , huge network \) 4 \) capability internet access \( news mail \) 5 \) internet style id 's \( eg math uwaterloo ca \) anyone knows system similar describing , even n't criteria , n't care , please please e mail tell adverse making alterations existing system necessary thanks peter wood internet id math uwaterloo ca
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject habs win , habs win ! ! ! ! ! ! ! nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 26 article 22apr93 vm1 mcgill ca jbe5 jbe5 musicb mcgill ca writes ! game , finally beat ! habs dominated game especially finally started going net ! see happens create traffic \? muller deserves full marks \( player ! \) , damphousse finally started skating roy \( \) excellent see third period save young \? defense taking quebec players zone anybody else wonder hextall feel like finds winning goal went man 's skate \? whatta suck although playing really well life n't get better ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! sure sunday b 's habs tied 2 2 'll see mean ! \) \) nick dchhabra stpl ists ca
jpsb neosoft com \( jim shirreffs \) subject waco questions organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 distribution usa lines 18 u government become garrotte around necks citizens garrotte , people struggle breathe air freedom , government tightens stranglehold possible outcomes point death government elimination personal freedom think little extreme , concerned couple things 've seen lately seems government beginning enforce political correctness first king verdict incorrect hell protection double jeopardy , try cops bd 's far tell n't anything wrong nothing would justify end subjected simply incorrect ca n't help wonder 's next jim shirreffs speak
cerritos edu subject hell distribution world organization cerritos college , norwalk ca lines 110 king james version bible three words translated word hell greek words totally different meanings words hades , tartaros , gehenna usage , greek word hades used 11 times new testament , roughly equivalent old testament word sheol meaning grave pit \( compare acts 2 27 psalms 16 10 \) hades may hole ground \( bible nothing fire ! \) modern translators admit use english word hell translate hades sheol unfortunate misleading practice \? seeing word hell many readers traditional connotation ever burning inferno , never remotely intended greek language old english ! true usage hades indeed refer state abode dead , sense spirits walking around sort shadowy realm hades simply abode call grave dead go hell second hell bible , tartaros , mentioned scripture , 2 pet 2 4 god spared angels sinned , cast hell \( tartaros \) , delivered chains darkness reserved unto judgment following rebellion god throne \( isa 14 12 14 rev 12 4 \) , archangel lucifer \( satan \) third created angels \( demons \) ejected heaven \( luke 10 18 \) cast tartaros , place condition restraint god imposed angels await ultimate judgment \( jude 6 1 cor 6 3 \) tartaros , , hell applies evil , rebellious angels demons \( interesting ancient greeks used word describe place zeus confined rebellious titans \) nowhere bible mention men put particular hell third word translated hell bible gehenna comes hebrew hinnom , meaning valley hinnom deep , narrow located south southwest jerusalem old testament times place abominable pagan rites , including infant sacrifice \( apostate kings ahaz made children pass fire god rites specifically celebrated , place , one chief groves valley \) king ancient judah finally put end abominations defiled valley , rendering unclean \( 2 kings 23 10 \) later valley became city dump jerusalem repository , refuse animal bodies criminals also burned along rubbish fires burned continuously , feeding constant supply garbage refuse , field blood , purchased money judas received betrayal christ \( matt 27 8 \) also part valley hinnom valley called gehenna hell \? rev 19 20 satan inspired political dictator miracle working religious figure , false prophet , working resist establishment government god jesus christ second coming fate revealed apostle john beast taken , false prophet cast alive lake fire burning brimstone temporary lake fire \( hell \) \? prophet isaiah wrote lake fire prepared beast \( valley hinnom \) ordained old , yea king prepared , hath made deep large , pile thereof fire wood , breath lord , like stream brimstone , doth \( isa 30 33 \) one thousand years later , satan cast fiery lake beast false prophet cast ! \( rev 20 10 \) wicked died millennia \? bible say suffering fiery punishment sins lake fire \? sequence rev 20 wicked resurrected thrown lake fire satan cast ! \( rev 20 15 \) become wicked \? flames eternity \? wicked burned intense heat coming gehenna fire earth wil consumed , annihilated , destroyed ! punishment everlasting \( permanent final \) bible calls second death \( rev 20 14 21 8 \) , possibility resurrection bible teach eternal punishment , eternal punishing prophet malachi provides graphic description , behold , day cometh shall burn oven , proud , yea , , shall stubble , day cometh shall burn \( 4 1 \) righteous , god says wicked shall ashes soles feet \( mal 4 3 \) gehenna place destruction death , place living torture ! jesus talking jews understood gehenna valley hinnom utter destruction fire complete nothing left , ashes ! every text bible translated greek word gehenna means complete destruction , living torture \( eternal life torment \) ! bible says , romans 6 23 , wages sin death , eternal life torture punishment revealed bible death cessation life eternal life gift god !
marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) subject trojan horse clipper reply marc tanda isis org distribution world organization thibault friends lines 39 , seems step 1 taking warrant telco get wiretap much red herring \( n't love animal metaphors \) phone broadcasting serial number chip \( e \( n f \) different n \) , aim reciever general direction today 's target use serial number identify session want , get chip number end conversation even without key , great traffic analysis think several ways learn right serial number looks like one intended effect clipper eliminate awkward business getting telco cooperate \( risking getting caught act clips erect \) particularly handy s1 s2 btw , anyone explain scrambling serial number \? cheers , marc marc thibault marc tanda isis org automation architect cis 71441 , 2226 r r 1 , oxford mills , ontario , canada nc freenet aa185 begin pgp public key block mqbnaiqxytkaaaecalfehyp0yc80s1scfvjspj5escao hihtnefrrn vuecsavh aauwpiugyv2n8n lftpnnlc42ms c8pjupykvi8abrg0i01hcmmgvghpymf1bhqg pg1hcmnadgfuzgeuaxnpcy5vcmc hlnv end pgp public key block
cotera woods ulowell edu subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) lines 25 organization university massachusetts lowell article sbctri sbc com , tph susie sbc com \( timothy p henrion \) writes article 1993apr21 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes assume evidence responsible deaths \? common sense fire caused either koresh followers fbi atf cia kgb maybe harper valley pta since throwing around evidence arguement , 'll throw back prove government agency \? \( please n't resort covered proves wild theories government agencies intentionally started fire key words proof evidence \) proves , want investigation please explain koresh defending children burned ever said \? obvious defending , followers , government whether think right wrong another question right , moral right kill kgbatf agents ray cote 's government like government
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject moa members , another letter read ! nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 8 anyone noticed happened since chris perez gifted membership \? anyone rec motorcycles beemer club \? know might get confused k , maybe 's connection \? blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
joes telxon mis telxon com \( joe staudt \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization telxon corporation lines 30 article fr7 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes previous article , finnegan nrlssc navy mil \( \) says article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) drew 've always heard referred horizontally opposed joe joseph staudt , telxon corp joes telxon com p box usenet like tetris people still akron , oh remember read \( 216 \) 867 3700 j heller
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 38 article 1993apr22 galileo cc rochester edu , as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) writes optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 852 gdc com , piatt gdc com \( gary piatt \) writes ahh , 's good goose necessarily 's good n't want homosexuals impose moral codes \( diabolical ideas equal rights \) , yet willing impose moral codes detect double standard \? garison mean \? adults want get together sodomy private , 's business 's precisely 's problem queer population , \? difference us private love bi andrew simchik schnopia ! private , wo n't problem reason homosexual activists hot antidiscrimination laws want 1 able wear lovely evening work , people get disgusted 2 able wear nambla shirt worry getting fired 3 able access young boys , start making next generation homosexuals right privacy makes sodomy laws unconstitutional \( position agree \) , keep private , wo n't problem clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) subject waco burning organization university buffalo lines 25 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu article dscomsa desy de , hallam zeus02 desy de writes snip anyone u heard anything similar u government spin doctors censoring information \? b b c news also reporting 20 died british citizens b b c also reporting bodies b members found bullet wounds manner suggests may shot attempting leave compound fire possibility bodies people killed initial shootout phill hallam baker imagine happens magazine explodes \? bullets go flying every imho , gunshot wounds actually caused magazines went texas ranger pathologist make , 'll wait autopsy determine shot first either way , 're dead fbi atty gen still
elroy uh edu \( , dean e \) subject pctools windows demo organization university houston lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host elroy uh edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 someone downloaded pctools demo compuserve , please upload cica ftp site thanks , dean elroy uh edu
dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) subject right \? organization florida state university lines 31 joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) writes recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? hmmmmmmmmmmmm want point sarcasm , mean one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire
cc utah edu \( marc fuller \) subject cpu news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization university utah computer center lines 23 article edm wrs com , edm wrs com \( ed mcclanahan \) writes jim johnson abcd houghton mi us \( jim johnson \) writes k speaking cpu fans many use clips make sure use heat sink grease , heat transfering tape , wasted money cpu fans also heat sinks \? recommend using chip \( e heat sink cpu fan \) \? talking cpu fan blowing directly cpu chip , ca n't see heat sink grease necessary \( even desireable \) edward mcclanahan edm wrs com pc power cooling fan heat sink built fan top cpu even fan quits still heat sink aid cooling glue , course , type high thermal conductivity
fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) subject braves giants organization duke university durham , n c lines 19 nntp posting host keynes econ duke edu article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes baseballs came field sunday 's , giant 's patron refused throw atlanta hr back garbage started hitting field well sunday game started thursday friday \( ca n't recall games n't watch tbs \) deion getting trash whole time , seemed announcers talked change seating bleachers , made easier events transpired actually thought start sunday since sunday crowd would little different , refined surprise \? econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke correspondents email changed e l new address fls econ duke edu f mail bounces , try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization stratus computer , inc lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 cv hp com , kam cv hp com \( keith marchington \) writes good question take objective look happened , listen things fbi said \( bd 's started fire bd 's bodies found gunshot wounds \) refuted evidence recovered seems fbi deliberately making statements rational basis fact , trying make sound like fact 's another sad thing 'd expect sort shit batf i'm goddamn disappointed fbi used professionals cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject quadra clock modification long summary quadra 700 clock acceleration instructions keywords quadra , clock , acceleration , oscillator article shelley organization university washington lines 149 nntp posting host carson u washington edu modified quadra 700 higher speed previously using variable speed overdrive accelerating cpu modification testing stable higher speeds mileage may vary top speed achieve cannot predicted hand personal q700 tested fine 32 mhz thus far n't higher speed clock oscillators hand test higher speeds parts clock oscillators \( 4 pin ttl variety \) need selection speeds beginning 50 mhz cpu run 1 2 oscillator speed original one 50 mhz unit recommend getting 50 mhz clock case damage existing one obtained clock oscillators digikey 1 800 344 less 5 00 part numbers 50 mhz ttl clock oscillator \( part \) 62 mhz ttl clock oscillator \( part \) 66 mhz ttl clock oscillator \( part \) n't get half size clock oscillators wo n't fit also cmos clock oscillators n't tried one quadra \( work fine iisi 's \) socket obtain 4 pin socket form factor 14 pin dip package alternatively , use 4 socket pins style socket cut socket cooling fan small 12 volt fan keep cpu cool must vso came specially modified heatsink fan built onto pass connector tapped hard drive power cable rig something similar risk frying cpu procedure 1 \) insert usual disclaimer warnings 2 \) remove top lid machine see floppy disk hard drive mounted plastic tower follow usual anti static precautions course make sure machine unplug cables , wall monitor power supply cords back mac 3 \) remove power supply pulling plastic tab tower forward simultaneously pulling power supply straight tab piece plastic left posterior aspect tower extends downward hook power supply may also feel shaped piece right portion power supply leave alone plastic tab tower need release 4 \) look rear tower assembly see flat ribbon scsi connector hard drive , power cable flat ribbon cable leading floppy drive disconnect motherboard hard drive power cable connector tab must squeezed release 5 \) unplug drive activity led clear plastic mount 6 \) look posterior , cylindrical section plastic tower phillips head screw base remove , taking care drop case bit glue screwdriver helpful 7 \) remove tower assembly pulling plastic tab right side tower tab prevents tower sliding slide entire tower assembly 1 cm lift tower assembly straight case 8 \) remove interrupt switch assembly strangely shaped plastic device left , front edge motherboard pull middle , rear plastic prong forward entire device release 9 \) unplug speaker cable squeeze plastic tab speaker free swing backwards free case 10 \) remove motherboard form case lift front right corner motherboard 1 mm allows clear clear plastic power light guide slide motherboard forward 1 cm motherboard comes directly 11 \) locate 50 mhz clock crystal small metal box near cpu chip note remember orientation new clock oscillators must aligned pin 1 orientation carefully remove old clock oscillator pins may bent simply sure iron hot enough heating board used suction iron accomplish task appropriate first soldering experience motherboard multi layer design fine traces easily damaged without proper care 12 \) install socket socket pins old oscillator 13 \) put 50 mhz clock oscillator new socket could use old clock solder pins may come inside socket cause corrosion problems later suggest using new 50 mhz clock 14 \) install cooling fan system complete modification 14 \) motherboard slide place 15 \) snap interrupt switch assembly speaker lock mother board firmly plug speaker wire back motherboard 16 \) reinstall tower assembly first placing right wall tower right wall case tower assembly 1 cm posterior intended position lower tower assembly place maintaining contact right wall case fully , slide tower assembly clicks place 17 \) motherboard ends cables forget floppy drive cable 18 \) replace phillips head screw 19 \) drop power supply straight place clicks 20 \) plug hard drive activity light back clear plastic mount 21 \) cables power cords cross fingers turn mac make usual power chord n't , something immediately turn power well , sincere condolences hopefully , work normally turn machine back replace 50 mhz clock oscillator faster one reboot astounded need fully test machine many hours deciding particular speed truly usable vso , machine lock might take 8 hours operation occur brief time since modifying clock oscillator \( 36 hours \) single problem good luck attempt modification small real risk , could well reach quadra 950 speeds higher less 50 parts guy kuo guykuo u washington edu
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization macalester college lines 55 article news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes guess i'm delving religious language area exactly morality morals \? hope one subject like spiral would morality morality morals labels n't make arguments one really needs solid measuring stick actions interpreted , even though would hardly seem moral example best thing ensure eat drink enough hence actions must weighed one statement whatever helps goal moral , whatever immoral course leads blank space many different ways fulfill goal , one would need hyper morality apply methods never thought eating meat moral immoral , think could differentiate something personal choice preference something see immoral \? fall basis morals \? seems consider something moral immoral stop think long enough \) hand , maybe first gut reaction \? knows perhaps way discriminate morals n't instinctively thing right \( way instinctively feel torture wrong \) , thought long enough listened arguments , could perhaps reason wrong \( possible ! \? \) \) see difference \? also , consensus positions fall might makes right , brought , whatever right societally mandated whoever control time makes right mc mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton best regards , adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws
leland stanford edu \( paul dennis \) subject antidepressants organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 14 without thread going zoloft stimulating unfortunate therapy trial error , help , lot people using side effects many medications help manage conditions hang , maybe someday brain chemistry set available serotonin questions answers please , flames enough deal \)
jxu black clarku edu \( dark wing duck ! ! \) subject bosox win ! \( 5 2 seattle \) organization clark university \( worcester , \) lines 8 last night , boston red sox win 11 games 14 games beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch dominate walked least 6 man first 6 greenwell hit homeruns red sox prevail think game must win red sox seattle , considering darwin faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight
munoz bcstec ca boeing com \( david munoz \) subject anybody heard brand 486dx2 33 66 motherboard \? organization boeing x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 18 hi , anyone heard board \? 's 486dx2 33 66 , anyone know work bsd linux \? local pc vendor says 's u brand please e mail possible thanks , david munoz munoz bcstec ca boeing com
rmohns vax clarku edu subject help changing startup logo organization clark university lines 34 previous article , louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) wrote article f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( c doelle \) writes hello brad ! monday april 26 1993 17 24 , brad smalling wrote \( crosspost 1 \) bs since n't know setup \) bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs \( grabbed supercharging windows judd robbins great book \) bs also put logo windows startup , another thing windows' faq file less 64 k \( least 's faq says , mine wont work 30 maybe mend 32k , n't know \) com files limited total size 64kb thus , win plus vgalogo log plus rle file must less 64kb thus , rle file around rob resemblance views rob faculty advisor , terminal , mohns view window purely dental richard may may rmohns vax support said views , probably n't clarku edu want think
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject death penalty \( political atheists \? \) reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 60 article 4mt darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes fascinating atheists argue abortion , prove atheist n't mean abortion defend homosexuality means population control , obvious effect homosexuality non procreation , unlike statement , fact please prove \( \) homosexuality defended means population control , \( b \) atheist causes hold beliefs defend homosexuality \( \) people bodies none business \( b \) defend equal rights humans \? insist values biological define values prove statement something contardictory , cannot exist , case means atheists suppose prove statement electrons waves electrons particles believe physical proof proof god \( tm \) ancient book indicative existence omnipotence , argument , christians n't exist would like understand atheist object war \( excellent means controlling population growth \) , capital punishment , i'm sorry logic escapes capital punishment , questioned , propriety killing punishment \? basis \? first , earlier statements absolutely nothing question post \? show athiests , besides existing \( view \) , humane christians religions \? secondly much control population growth logic cannot grasp indicates ignorance contraception course , \( sometimes literally \) religion since ca n't create followers , die bill adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
gray engr wisc edu \( gary l gray \) subject 72 pin simms q 800 , careful buying organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 11 already purchased 72 pin simms quadra 800 memory direct \( march 9 \) tell whether composite simms \? rule , memory direct ship composite regular simms \? thank gary l gray engineering mechanics astronautics university wisconsin madison gray engr wisc edu
yozzo watson ibm com \( ralph yozzo \) subject cold sore location \? disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host king arthur watson ibm com organization ibm j watson research center lines 11 've cold past always corner mouth recently , 've appears cold sore , lower lip middle \( chin \) cold appear anywhere around mouth \( body \) \? medical term cold sore \? ralph yozzo \( yozzo watson ibm com \) beautiful historic new york state mid hudson valley
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject goalie mask poll update 4 21 93 summary keep sending votes ! ! ! organization georgia institute technology lines 34 current votes favorite goalie masks \( 3pts 1st , 2nd , 3rd \) player team pts votes 1 ed belfour chicago 31 14 2 andy moog boston 30 13 3 curtis joseph st louis 26 11 brian hayward san jose 26 10 5 ron hextall quebec 16 8 6 gerry cheevers boston \( retired \) 11 6 7 john ny rangers 10 4 grant fuhr buffalo 10 4 9 mike richter ny rangers 6 3 10 manon rheaume atlanta \( ihl \) 5 2 11 beaupre washington 4 2 ken dryden montreal \( retired \) 4 2 others receiving less mike vernon \( cal \) , clint malarchuk \( buf sd , ihl \) , tommy soderstrom \( phil \) , ray leblanc \( usa \) , irbe \( sj \) , tim cheveldae \( det \) , sean burke \( nj \) , rick wamsley \( tor , ret \) , jon casey \( minn \) , bob essensa \( win \) , glenn healy \( nyi \) , toy \( \? \? \? \) , gilles \( \? \? \? \) , rod stauber \( la \) , \( \? \? \? \) , pat jablonski \( tb \) , grant fuhr \( tor \) , felix potvin \( tor \) , stephane beauregard \( win \) , mark fitzpatrick \( nyi \) , chico \( nyi \) someone please tell teams \( \? \? \? \) play \( ed \) \? thanks go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) subject vandalizing sky organization university illinois urbana lines 65 nicho vnet ibm com \( greg stewart nicholls \) writes c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu george f krumins writes suggesting minority professional amateur astronomers right dark , uncluttered night sky sorry , wish uncluttered night sky , n't right get , actually rights majority n't agreed give \( process \) 's common misconception born somehow rights sadly true want talk responsibility go power clutter night sky , 's different matter greg nicholls vidi nicho vnet ibm com vici nicho olympus demon co uk veni according reasoning rights , least none think let 's see right air \? , majority drive cars use goods create air pollution manufacturing process right clean water \? guess , reasoning could go examples long time look nazi germany majority , jews , homosexuals , blacks , others different rights fact , imprisoned , slaughtered country blacks right free slavery \? guess , majority said slavery good think right moral imperative law , imposed majority , immoral , one follow fact , one everything power stop course , n't mean would lose common sense break law , thought immoral pay federal income tax even though morally opposed u government taking money spending weapons mass destruction terrorism precisely point trying make people logic , pointing self interest let equal rights aspects life , including adequate housing , food , medical care happen think full life aesthetic beauty joy also necessary consider uncluttered night sky right ever desert , away local lights , people \? sky dark transparent milky way detail thought possible beauty wonder takes breath away imagine live worst ghetto , say l due light pollution never seen dark sky might fact never , whole life , ever see majesty night sky every around , see squalor , life runs thread live \? admit two scenarios extreme examples , seen , one , need dreams hopes , yes , beauty , reason living consider uncluttered night sky right george george krumins serpent rainbow gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu pufferfish observatory \( \)
shannon jpl nasa gov \( l \) subject raw byte grayscale gif organization jet propulsion laboratory , section 331 lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host shannon jpl nasa gov currently grayscale image files standard format simply contain 8 bit pixel values would like display images pc conversion gif format would helpful conversion take place either pc unix system could download pc anyone suggest find software \? alternatively , may write conversion program case , could someone tell find gif format specification \? please e mail directly shannon jpl nasa gov thanks
cunixa cc columbia edu \( wayne sun \) subject looking decoder module keywords ntsc close caption decoder nntp posting host cunixa cc columbia edu reply cunixa cc columbia edu \( wayne sun \) organization columbia university lines 12 one know get decoder module \? need build close caption decoder thanks wayne till finals , fun really begins ' sun still young ' one dreams home town , wishing everything could , wishes still young enjoy '
cs ruu nl \( robert \) subject teac sd harddisk jumper setting , please \? organization utrecht university , dept computer science keywords master , slave settings lines 14 hi , bought new harddisk want use old teac , 100mb harddisk documentation harddisk could someone please tell set jumpers master slave \? thanks advance , robert cs ruu nl robert cs ruu nl utrecht , netherlands
yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) subject oilers sale \? \? nntp posting host cs ualberta ca reply yadallee ersys edmonton ab ca , yadalle cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 67 golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes probability oilers going anywhere gerald , look happened stars dallas pocklington chosen moment make last stand moment maximum advantage provincial government months away provincial election moment maximum power convince northlands give better arena deal better purchase price nhl 's new collective agreement players might involve enhanced revenue sharing gerald , alberta election slated 7 june , unless something \? ally goes wrong time ! ! pocklington could end embarassment klein goes ahead pocklington many things stupid one gerald , people still axe grind guy cannot see staying long dictate terms cities pay price edmonton n't people edmonton wo n't budge , trust one edmonton already international airport , surrendered supremacy calgary , next years edmonton going take hard hit government screw beyond manages find way lose hockey team northlands wants continue use oilers subsidize horse racing northlands wo n't budge one board members , bruce campbell however , case , long term financial viability oilers , fact pocklington basically right , regardless owns team , right provoke crisis , team millions dollars losses , becomes lack money n't heard anything , attendance coliseum lowest year hint ! ! hint ! ! remeber said personal vendetta \? sather done job oilers poised competitive soon \( al , one hockey writers canada post oilers season globe mail recently agrees \) gerald , n't blame sather battle pocklington started 1986 got worst pocklington sold gretzky days shake hand pocklington \( use 1982 1983 season \) , days ! ! gerald btw , following , please delete name posting writer dave shariff yadallee \( b sc \( econ math \) \( u alberta 1990 \) \) \( yadalle cs ualberta ca \) god save queen , god bless us ! remember ! jesus saves lives eternal damnation ! newfoundland , keep good old clyde , vote liberal !
eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) subject part n't understand \? reply eeb1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 30 article 1993apr21 advtech uswest com steven advtech uswest com \( steve novak \) writes david r sacco writes people even raised protests moment silence class member tragically died , saying implied endorsing religion , course , possibility existed meaning student really gave shit could moment silence , makes sense forcing want participate take part reason organized moment silence \? moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? non religious reasons moment silence dead classmate \( 1 \) comfort friends showing respect deceased , \( 2 \) give classmates moment grieve together , \( 3 \) give friends moment remember classmate context school , \( 4 \) deal fact classmate gone 's disruptive later blindly opposing everything flavor religion utterly idiotic pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions safe , legal , early , rare
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject baltic states realism 'virvir' drivel reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 127 article zip eecs umich edu dip eecs umich edu \( stuart \) writes memoirs armenian army officer translated english published member american near east relief organization gives whole account genocide turkish moslem people armenia organized executed armenian government army also gives account countless massacres atrocities turkish people armenia actually , leonard r ramsden hartill ditto source men like leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company , indianapolis \( 1926 \) \( 305 pages \) \( memoirs armenian officer participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) , point often , use arguing easily verified facts ``as turks solved armenian problem turkey slaying driving armenians country , proceeded solve tartar problem armenia closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars , proceeded work extermination '' ohanus appressian , l r hartill , like , '' bobbs merrill company , london , 1928 p 202 set straw horses knocked i'm impressed let us ask armenian scholars shall \? source k papazian , patriotism perverted , baikar press , boston , 1934 pp 17 18 seems terrorism co nationals prominent part revolutionary activities dashnag leaders caucasus organized fight turks , successful fight armenian opponents turkey , caucasus , often defenseless innocent p 25 defeated p 38 fact remains , however , leaders turkish armenian section dashnagtzoutune carry promise loyalty turkish cause turks entered war call sent armenian volunteers fight turks caucasian front p 38 thousands armenians world , standards famous fighters antranik , , dro , etc armenian volunteer rendered valuable service russian army years 1914 15 16 way , entire paragraph closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 wait , 1 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population van 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 2 \) armenians slaughter 42 muslim population bitlis 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 3 \) armenians slaughter 31 muslim population erzurum 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 4 \) armenians slaughter 26 muslim population diyarbakir 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 5 \) armenians slaughter 16 muslim population 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 6 \) armenians slaughter 15 muslim population sivas 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 7 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population x soviet armenia 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 8 \) 1 mccarthy , j , muslims minorities , population ottoman anatolia end empire , new york university press , new york , 1983 , pp 133 144 2 karpat , k , ottoman population , university wisconsin press , 1985 3 hovannisian , r g , armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , pp 13 , 37 4 shaw , j , 'on armenian collaboration invading russian armies 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university press 1977 \) pp 315 316 5 gochnak \( armenian newspaper published united states \) , may 24 , 1915 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
spatel cs tamu edu \( k patel \) subject motif widgets using resource file organization computer science department , texas university lines 10 distribution world nntp posting host photon tamu edu posted question motif widgets got working fine one bug file work fine normal case thanks \( spatel cs tamu edu \)
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callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject manual shift bigots nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 39 article 1993apr22 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se writes turn question around , automatics common us \? people like \( people actually need \) guess tried couple manuals torque rich v8 's sixties clutches turned real killers use feet depress , lived yeah , right real muscle cars manual transmission , clutches n't heavy shelby american used plenty high powered , high torque engines , carroll put autos cars people wanted \( ! heretics ! burn , burn defiling shelby auto ! \) real \( ultimate sports car time \) big block fords turned amounts power torque , none automatics also , automatic v8 engine real fun drive yeah , call gear shift middle curve fun \) personally would love '66 500 7 liter coupe , fire breathing 427 four floor \( go along side '66 500 fire breathing 390 three tree love sound dual exhaust morning ! \) 's comparison real american muscle car car big engine automatic , imho james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
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stanley oce orst edu \( john stanley \) subject krillean photography organization university computing services oregon state university lines 7 nntp posting host oce orst edu article 12a r node hub org taob r node hub org writes article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu , alexander p zijdenbos writes neither real believer , disbeliever comes one \( least , many people \) trying pass god please keep crap sci image processing \?
dong oakhill sps mot com \( gibson \) subject long term human missions nntp posting host lexus reply dong oakhill sps mot com organization motorola semiconductor products sector lines 21 article 128 249 27 63 , jgladu bcm tmc edu \( grungy \) writes ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il \( ward paul \) wrote 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) think tell things using spinoffs space program way prove worth vote pay taxes continued existence space program relies upon money 02 btw n't forget velcro least honest velcro \( tm \) dates 40 's doubts everything listed developed space age , n't mean space spin btw n't forget tang \) dong
cs cmu edu \( thomas galen ault \) subject people become atheists \? organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 70 article may 5 02 50 42 1993 athos rutgers edu fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) writes interested finding people become atheists believed god god conversing groups , 've often sensed anger hostility though n't mean imply atheists angry hostile , seem one motivation giving faith thus , atheism might result broken ness 'd like field one , may although believer follower christ , experiences religion n't positive fact , one point life , three days , simply could n't believe existence god anyway , look back upon troubles 've , seem fall two categories impulses unbelief resulted logical contradictions , impulses unbelief resulted frustration god first category n't occur much anymore , worked arguments non existence god way back , would cause problems , would struggle faith continue believe see others less stubborn \( mean stubborn often thing standing atheism time time \) would fail second category arises long term personal difficulties struggle live life god would live without living life others would tell god would live good example struggle radical christians meet , ever , fire , n't think ever want nevertheless , lukewarm faith , n't really fit mainstream either quite naturally , feel lot anxiety within christian society , lead lot internal tension , want know right , another part believes want wrong christians think quite naturally , tension destructive effect relationship god , internal strife , 's atheism sitting like promised land rules , responsibilities , need live anyone 's expectations complete freedom course , 's illusion , nevertheless , 's appealing illusion , especially called people god behaving like total easily understand someone would go route , would hostile ever coming back imho , many former christians turned atheists actively hostile christianity experience christ god n't peaceful one , one mind control shut 're told know 's best 's god 's 're young know god 's yet courtesy christ 's followers final reason people become atheists christians good reputation right one things attracted people christianity ancient days love christians obviously one another world around unlike rest world , christian communities actively cared poor , christian rich backs poorer brothers , bent help christians known living exemplary lives , even thought traitors state would n't sacrifice nowadays , courtesy media christian leaders lost christ way power , people see christians sexually repressed want society facist version moral view lot reasons people become atheists , n't time go right tom ault
helsinki fi \( veikko \) subject astro ftp list notes organization university helsinki lines 27 hello , ! apologize , n't published astro ftp list since march n't tested sites included list would notified people , stored older issues , lots changes many sites gone away either exist astro stuff removed job keep list hard , notes ion changes , new sites , new contents etc welcome would thank net people give information newest version regards , veikko makela computing centre univ helsinki f n l n
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject bill targets pension funds liberation organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga lines 19 master cna tek com mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) writes excerpts insight magazine , march 15 , 1993 paranoia part deleted n't insight magazine published \? n't remember article removed ca n't comment comment though response really believe wrote sufficient refute article \? facts addition opinion \? mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization georgia institute technology lines 21 response alleged circular reasoning concerning morality homosexuality , clh poses following challenge order break circle 's got reason think homosexuality wrong answer , circle simple break church teaches homosexual behavior immoral teaching raw , , dogma closes argument randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu right understand people reasons accepting homosexuality point making specific argument given would n't stand clh
kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? nntp posting host summit wpd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca distribution na lines 10 article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes would help obp higher batting average yes , april 12 usa today lists le grand 422 batting average 413 obp okay , 'll bite obp lower batting average \? sac flies something \? ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com \( 415 \) 390 3536
access digex net \( louis emmet mahoney \) subject clipper two additional possible problems organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 10 nntp posting host access digex net erwin trwacs fp trw com \( harry erwin \) writes anyone interested adopting british telecom 's quantum encryption scheme \? 've demonstrated 10 km link automatically detects wiretapping tell us \?
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject game gear games sale trade nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 14 following games sale trade make offer crystal warriors junction revenge psychic world castle illusion \( mouse \) brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject vandalizing sky organization texas instruments inc lines 18 c5y4t7 9w3 news cso uiuc edu gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes typical rights minority extinguished wants majority , matter ridiculous wants might right \? right \? n't mean something like typical wants minority wants majority , matter ridiculous minority wants might benefits majority wants might \? sole connection project spent lot time classes university colorado insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
glen tegra com \( glen \) subject 66dx2 isa , vlb xor 50dx eisa \? \? advice wanted organization tegra , inc billerica , lines 13 article 1993apr22 julian uwo ca rmitch irus rri uwo ca \( ross mitchell \) writes choice basically system 486dx2 66 isa vlb , , 486dx 50 eisa vlb \( thus non local bus version ati card \) better , keeping mind i'm primarily interested last two tasks \? april 13 issue pc magazine published benchmarks ati running vlb eisa 800x600 , 16 800x600 , 256 1024x768 , 16 1024x768 , 256 eisa 15 34 15 34 15 19 15 15 vlb 16 02 16 31 16 33 16 24
apg andersen com \( scott \) subject nature waco gas organization andersen consulting cstar lines 21 nntp posting host 144 36 14 91 cash convex com \( peter cash \) writes article cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes reason given use causes extreme nausea , blindness , disorientation , total irrationality , raging paranoia children would susceptible , show results earlier indeed talking cs , quite accurate cs tear gas albeit worst kind n't nausea gas , n't direct cns effects however , 's quite bad much worse cn gas anyone publically considered possibility fires set defence instead suicide destruction confusion caused tanks gas caused things get bds control \? spending programs , ' taxes , ' people say need dictionary \? dan quayle 2 19 93 employer responsible anything may appear
\( \) subject public domain low price case rs6000 organization universita' di lines 12 looking public domain low price case , running aix 6000 3 2 solaris 1 1 sun os 3 1 , x motif x openlook i'm regular follower groups , would prefer answer e mail thanks advance , regards , centro di universita' di piazza universita' , 2
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dan ingres com \( rose arose \) subject legal definition religion organization representing views lines 26 e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) writes 's understanding u supreme court never given legal definition religion despite many cases involving religion come court anyone verify falsify \? state government tried give legal definition religion \? according legal practices today 's america , imagine legal definition religion , defined , may resemble following system belief practice people committed benefit society must , opinion secular thought , isolated political educational influence system belief practice people committed harmful void benefit society opinion religious thought defined previous paragraph , isolation political educational influence would constitute unreasonable censorship unlawful violation civil rights someday , perhaps 'll legalize benevolence \) \?
starowl rahul net \( michael adams \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host bolero reply starowl rahul net organization service actuarial consulting x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 26 21 apr 93 00 07 20 gmt , theodore kaldis observed as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( caifone \) writes heard thankfully , got gender right deviant bigots n't classified deviants \? sad disparaging towards political minorities , sexual deviants comprise political minorit , 's hear march washington assuming still considering homosexuality bisexuality subsets sexual deviants \? shred self respect , 'd door associate girls indeed self respect trust many self respecting women might take sort offense use term girls sentence michael adams \( starowl a2i rahul net \) enterprise , alabama always listen experts 'll tell ca n't done , lazarus long \( robert heinlein \)
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billy irvine com \( \) subject wanted macintosh powerbook 100 organization irvine compiler corp , irvine , california , usa lines 10 looking mac pb 100 's good condition \( brand new , w warranty would ideal \) also include external floppy drive least 40 meg internal hard drive 4 meg ram pb100 'd like turn cash , please write thanks , much billy irvine com \( \)
paris cs berkeley edu \( joseph \) subject claris filemaker mac organization university california , berkeley lines 5 distribution usa nntp posting host paris cs berkeley edu claris filemaker pro database manager macintosh , still 150 best offer please call \( 415 \) 824 respond account
rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) subject faq essay homosexuality lines 62 file faqs \( \) , might want correct typo following kinsey \( see \) source figure 10 percent defines sexuality behavior , orientation , ranked persons scale zero \( completely heterosexual \) 6 \( completely heterosexual \) seems one end rating scale identified homosexual personal note , guess differ question work entering human life result sin note creation story work enters human life result sin fall \( gen 2 15 \) lord god took man , put garden eden dress keep would call work , difference introduced sin painful aspects work added fall \( take cursing ground vs 17 19 apply work \) way , view work blessing \( ecclesiastes fun book ! \) hope sound , maybe enlighten well , certainly delicate subject , guess accomplished state purpose summarizes arguments allowing christian homosexuality , noble goal , writing faq wonder might apparent sentence specific homosexual propose \( arguably define \) danger advising christians depend upon change clear conversion n't happen , almost always , people often left despair , feeling excluded church nothing say requirement life long celibacy perhaps would true celibacy homosexual relations , choice relationships , forbid heterosexual could enjoy heterosexual relations worth \? depends upon person cases think answer even could , consider 're asking assume 're talking marriage certainly would want suggest sex outside 're talking permanent commitment kind sexual relationship n't really sure live may people possible solution , wonder whether 's entirely fair partner cousin victim exactly situation found later \( death \) husband problems sexual identity family \( conservative christians \) knew , pushed getting married continued problems , near divorce died accident whose circumstances relatives consider odd since sex change operation , moving around state state without able hold job , keeping children kind home life sets grandparents consider irresponsible hope understand enthusiastic pushing homosexuals marriage really liked cousin sort emotional issue , may possible , sort situation needs dealt matter fixed ideology clh
lars lth se subject duo price reduction \? x xxmessage id pomona lth se x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 12 23 59 gmt nntp posting host pomona organization department applied electronics x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 23 michigan state university pricing 210 systems powerbook duo portable mac powerbook duo 210 4m ram 80m hd 1528 98 promotion expires 06 13 93 hmm , new duo machines released 07 13 93 \? sincerely , lars lars email lth se lund university phone int 46 46 10 95 13 dept applied electronics fax int 46 46 12 99 48 p box 118 221 00 lund sweden
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) organization express access online communications usa lines 83 nntp posting host access digex net article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes prb access digex net \( pat \) writes given described hst seemed smt , given mass discovery mission tight enough spacewalking carefully constrained edo pallets , spare suits , extra mmu 's someone actually verified mass predominant constraint mission \? seem assuming without giving supporting evidence someone nasa posted significant mass margins hst boost mission back asked carry edo pallet , answer mass margins tight enough , n't even carrying extra suits \? quick test goldins philosophjy faster cheaper , better build real fast space tug , handle boost hst using clean cryo fuels , get ready hst mission pat , would slower , expensive worse slower shuttle mission scheduled go december 's less eight months away way could build new hardware , retrain eva 's time 's wingo need \) come knock forget , skylab , overnight mission planning repair eva 's also intelsat mission , overnight simulations somehow think could train new eva 8 months building hardware , anything built want bad enough forget , bus 1 already built 'd ahve soup , even test delta mission n't get mode besides , rate missions slip , discovery wo n't launch mission march 's almost year expensive proposal still requires shuttle everything going fire oms addition , 've added significant extra cost new piece complex hardware ah , much expensive second hst servicing mission forget , bum fgs , solar array electronics , getting still 8 months servicing mission time space walks growing rapidly planned 3 spacewalks , 5 eva 's 3 reserve walks smt avoid second servicing mission 's 500 million saved weight savings , means sit orbit 30 days handle contingency problems , 's quite savings according gao report , two currently planned missions could use vehicle hst axaf since axaf since scaled back hst rely shuttle , n't seem need vehicle course , n't need saturn v apollo problems aperture door , sure work way handle maybe plug made frozen ice \? 'll keep contamination , yet sublime away teh boost pat
hesh cup hp com \( chris steinbroner \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list reply chris steinbroner hesh cup hp com nntp posting host hesh cup hp com organization hp ux kernel lab , cupertino , ca x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 1 lines 21 sorry , take tx motorcycles news server rejected hesh bob pasker \( rbp netcom com \) wrote would shame split boxer riders different lists unless , course , existing list failed meet readers' needs presumed needed split gs list implication split , plain ol' bmw list would n't meet gs needs sake forcing split issue , changing charter renaming list bmw gs bmw \? would make everybody happy \? think 'd get better participation way joe would n't burden 286 \) hesh
mach1 wlu ca \( wells dana \) subject anyone heard \? x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 organization wilfrid laurier university distribution na lines 8 new command dos 6 allows erase directory files , without first erasing individual files dana wells , ba yes , another male dana wilfrid laurier u , waterloo , urban mach1 wlu ca plan better !
cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \( bill rea \) subject portland earthquake organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 55 paul hudson jr \( hudson athena cs uga edu \) wrote article may 7 01 09 33 1993 athos rutgers edu cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \( bill rea \) writes history seems imply pretty serious sin one pastors church attend , christchurch city , considers prophesy natural disaster judgement lord clear sign prophesy lord would like see reasoning behind may gotten get chance ask weekend burned natural disaster prophecies , mean every natural disaster judgement prophecy false take quick look book jeremiah obvious judgement prophecies valid us , seems like might problem positive prophecies , though sure may people judgement words underlined heart problem quick look n't justice depth book jeremiah studied jeremiah period year one stage life , say great deal underlying theological meaning judgement prophesies let make one point clash jeremiah false prophets primarily theological realm false prophets understood god based covenant lord made david possible trace within pages old testament covenant , initially conditional continued obedience david 's descendants , came viewed unconditional promise part lord keep descendant david 's upon throne never allow jerusalem foreign power jeremiah prophet , across border formerly israelite territory came prophesy , came theological background covenant lord made israel moses northern kingdom rejected covenant death solomon theology clashed theology local prophets deep understanding mosaic covenant awareness international events jeremiah spoke prophesies judgement prophesies deeply loaded theological meaning opinion , portland earthquake prophesy david wilkerson new york burn prophesy bubble compared majestic theological depths jeremiah prophesies bill rea \( \) w u w bill rea , computer services centre , e mail b rea csc canterbury ac nz university canterbury , cctr114 csc canterbury ac nz christchurch , new zealand phone \( 03 \) 642 331 fax \( 03 \) 642 999
sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization exnet systems ltd public access news , london , uk lines 40 article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes article c5og5h 4de exnet co uk , sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) writes well , obvious point make would straight men fuck like rabbits oppertunity presented \? reckon man would go wildly promiscuous presented huge variety willing partners true , gays straights except sexual preference , would imagine gays would much less sex straights available pool dates less one tenth straights somebody correct \( flame \) please ! miss point lot negotiation needed convince women sex big women free sex many women know would almost anything rather known , whore men however status attached able fuck constantly gay men , partners prove status constant going get situation lot sex difference het sex valuable commodity gay sex virtually unlimited due men straights suffer bottle neck women concerned , gay men experience bottle neck go excess mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh xavier
lefty apple com \( lefty \) subject freely distributable public key cryptography c code \? organization lady heavy artillery lines 26 article netcom com , grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) wrote victor iseli \( victori xetron com \) wrote numerical recipes c fortran pascal nice section encryption decryption based des algorithm also source code provided \( think versions book distributed source code disk source code also ordered publisher \) victor iseli victori xetron com yes des implementation recipes c book 1 1 2 orders magnitude slower outerbridge karn gillogly et al implementation may instructional , n't fast also apparently second edition lefty \( lefty apple com \) c c ,
mjs behemoth genetics wisc edu \( mike schmelzer \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow apr18 204843 50316 yuma acns colostate edu strnlghtc5pucl 6kp netcom com organization uw lines 18 reply strnlght netcom com 's message mon , 19 apr 1993 05 38 45 gmt article strnlghtc5pucl 6kp netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article apr18 204843 50316 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes let ask would trust richard nixon crypto keys \? would n't take mean president nixon , private citizen nixon sure nothing i'm would slightest interest president nixon mr sternlight , naivete historical ignorance appalling history lesson detailing 1968 74 deleted mike schmelzer , mjs genetics wisc edu , \( 608 \) 262 finger pgp people n't riot minute saw film waited justice never came ice
dent uchicago edu \( alan \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization dept mathematics lines 56 article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes article c5og5h 4de exnet co uk , sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) writes well , obvious point make would straight men fuck like rabbits oppertunity presented \? reckon man would go wildly promiscuous presented huge variety willing partners true , gays straights except sexual preference , would imagine gays would much less sex straights available pool dates less one tenth straights somebody correct \( flame \) please ! cannot believe posting thread , hell , asked sort reaction first realizing bi , 90 everyone else straight , 'd never end guy anyway several people soc bi pointed , true find partners \( relationships sex \) primarily straight circles nowadays gay culture quite visible major cities , easily find overwhelmingly queer social circle choose \( half friends bi , 's hanging science fiction club going week , 's go way hang bars something \) available pool dates size unless course 're trying date random sample us population promiscuity , 've traded email clayton topic , still n't seem want admit yes , gay males sometimes forced resort anonymous sex 're closeted ca n't afford seen permanent relationship part promiscuity messed gender roles society , males dating males 've trained aggressor sex , 's going sex 's dysfunctional , 's screwed societal attitudes , gay sexuality , 's encourages deviant behavior gay males \( also note someone 's 200 sex partners n't mean 're promiscuous yes , sounds ridiculous , 's quite possible someone go heavily closeted phase lots anonymous sex strangers , come , start forming real relationships , monogamous nearly \) alan \( math uchicago edu \) email , always welcome bi dance thought mad hear music anon w cg \( \) k \? vm h x v j \( \) f vn \( \) e dvb u
kari sage cc purdue edu \( kari \) subject new \( young \) seagate hard drive organization purdue university computing center distribution misc forsale , misc forsale computers , purdue forsale lines 7 greetings netters , seagate ide drive forsale bought yesterday able come across going buy , need sell one guarantee work still transferable warranty believe used boot drive , server \( source \) drive want money back 180 thanks lot offers appreciated dave 317 495 kari sage cc purdue edu
celsiustech se \( per andersson \) subject x , shared libraries , replacing modules \? organization celsiustech ab lines 16 hi i'm possible replace single module , shared library , libx11 suns openwindows tried rtfm , n't get wiser way also , rs6000 machine running 3 2 2 \( possible \) know real libraries \( ar \) trying replace xlookupstring delivered libraries , another special things per per andersson celsiustech se \( stacken kth se free time \) managing networks \( occasionally suns \) , speaking celsiustech ab , j rf , sweden
rsf atd ucar edu \( anthony michael jivoin \) subject advertised , death organization national center atmospheric research lines 30 local rockies broadcast day baylor went bring relief pitcher graphic came screen sponsored pitching change saw another game pinch hitter sponsored times game rockies announcer duane kuiper setting strategy defense might use expectation charlie jones would jump discuss situation charlie , read 's beer advertisement leaves duane hanging duane 's strategy proved prophetic examples happen radio v making sometimes boring listen guess 's matter time player sells name budweiser , nike , etc n't think long hear nike budweiser drills deep left field , chevrolet goes back , back , 's gone ! apple macintoshes \( formerly boston red sox \) 1998 world champions ! ! ! back work , anthony jivoin national center atmospheric research rsf atd p box 3000 boulder , co 80307 p rockies fans ready marlins weekend
frank cs yorku ca \( frank \) subject phone number mitsumi \? \? \? article distribution world organization york university , dept computer science lines 10 i'm trying get touch mitsumi anyone number \? frank technical assistant , department computer science v v york university \( toronto , canada \) , internet frank cs yorku ca !
dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) subject revised technical summary clipper chip reply dougb ecs comm mot com organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host 145 1 146 35 lines 53 article 1993apr21 3465 guvax acc georgetown edu , denning guvax acc georgetown edu writes chips programmed mykotronx , inc , calls myk 78 silicon supplied vlsi technology inc implemented 1 micron technology initially sell 30 quantities 10 , 000 price drop technology shrunk 8 micron hmmmmmm 30 seems bit expensive big chip \? kind packages used \? 3 volt 5 volt technology \? much current draw \? think many practical questions n't answered , especially since chip already exists ! clipper chips programmed inside scif \( secure information facility \) , essentially vault scif contains laptop computer equipment program chips 300 chips programmed single session scif located mykotronx beginning session , trusted agent two key escrow agencies enters vault agent 1 enters secret , random 80 bit value s1 laptop agent 2 enters secret , random 80 bit value s2 random values serve seeds generate unit keys sequence serial numbers thus , unit keys function 160 secret , random bits , agent knows 80 ok , 've got big problem world expect sell chips even 30 overhead involved programming procedure \? 2 4 people , laptop , 300 chips time give break long take \? even minute per chip , take greater part day turn 300 things long suppose take program 10 , 000 chips mentioned \? highly impractical ! see chip used , imagine embedded telephone security device \( \) suppose call someone device pushing button start secure conversation , security device negotiate 80 bit session key k device end find info device \? kind vocoder use \? require isdn phone lines \? , full duplex \? sound \? kind synchronization scheme used \? little black boxes conform ts choices protocol , etc \? anybody else allowed build boxes conform specifications \? doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg , illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207
purdue edu \( tom fisher \) subject cpu fans organization center environmental regulatory information systems , purdue university lines 14 attached fans look slick work well i'm bothered potential loss cooling fan goes least power supply fan reach back every days feel fan blowing yes , valid concern imho directly attached fan units 've seen , looks like fan stop chip cooling would good bit worse heat sink words , fan stops unit turns chip might get hot enough suffer permanent damage , stop working temporarily suggestion slave \( hook series \) small pilot light fan circuit , light goes , know fan working tom
hathaway stsci edu subject vandalizing sky lines 25 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes article c63na8 4c1 news cso uiuc edu gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes say i'm objecting floating billboard , presumably , would move around sky , one , legislating wish people bit common courtesy , would consider greed money impacts ethereal aesthetic values make us human includes need wild unspoiled things , including night sky sorry 's aesthetics argument maybe string shoudl sci space aesthetics planes ruin night sky ruin night sky radio towers ruin night sky like said , get vote , create national parks include air space hereby voting backyard sanctuary one acre object anything like aesthetic reasons \) relief know happy
mmatusev radford vak12ed edu \( melissa n matusevich \) subject cure dry skin \? organization virginia 's public education network \( radford \) lines 4 cured mine bag bought local farm supply store relatively cheap works days product developed treat sore
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga lines 27 vi agate berkeley edu isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) writes merely point valid strategy used every day furthermore , n't know substitute strategy capable apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects suggest police always knock guns holstered never arrest suspects allowed inspect officers 's badges \? police apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects \? far reasonably go \? suggest ca n't faked competition \? instead asking individual citizens place risk assuming everyone claims cop , actually cop around police actually made public service announcements saying lady driving night see blue lights flashing behind pull reach well lit , preferably occupied place , gas station etc even 've got deadly enemies may pretend cops , 's excuse murder police would n't murder , would self defense mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
orl mmc com \( chuck \) subject x11r5 aix 3 2 2 using cc reply orl mmc com organization martin marietta lines 17 gotten x11r5 pl 23 compile aix 3 2 2 using cc server run starts couple seconds later exits error displayed defines compile dsysv dsysv wait 0 returns null could somewhere share light , maybe ibm cf file thanks malcolm c martin marietta missile systems chuck orl mmc com mail point 170 phone 407 356 pobox fax 407 356 orlando florida
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject lds forsale nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 21 following lds sale 20 1st 15 additional , postage \( 3rd class \) paid project ko \( japanese english \) dominion act \( japanese english \) dominion act ii \( japanese english \) far crowd \( lbx \) west side story \( lbx \) ben \( p \) dirty dozen \( p \) star trek v \( p \) vol 1 tom jerry classics bugs bunny classics brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject moonbase race x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 22 george william herbert sez hmm 1 billion , lesse probably launch 100 tons leo 200 million , five years , gives 20 tons lunar surface one way say five tons return vehicle fuel , bigger mercury something \( might get low two tons \) , leaving fifteen tons one man habitat year 's supplies \? gee , sort mass margins build systems shelf another hundred million tops leaves 700 million profit like idea 8 \) let 's see guys push someone make happen 8 \) 8 \) like optimism , george n't know raising kind dough , need people split work , give ring \) living alone year moon sounds horrid , 'd even try , got bigger cut \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk radius vision increases , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm circumference mystery grows
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update distribution usa organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 53 article goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? moron illiterate \? facts fbi neither proclaimed monday suddenly n't facts anymore tuesday press conference n't pay attention one source , neither abandon critical thinking , disregard sources information substitute pet theories likely get wild basing theories reported media government evidence anyone setting fire deliberately simpleton actually evidence fire set deliberately survivors ir tape showing fire set 3 places soot fire giving \( indications gasoline feeding fire \) might believe 1 2 totally paranoid skeptical , 3rd point visible anyone watches tapes fire started bbq grill basing statements \? oh , forgot , 're guy n't know microwave oven need electricity , never mind ho ho ho listen npr , watch cnn , nbc also read papers get \? personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
mmaser engr uvic ca \( michael maser \) subject act front traffic jerks nntp posting host uvic ca reply mmaser engr uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 33 21 apr 1993 10 28 02 gillian e writes mere female , often found ca n't really take big offensive line asshole car drivers , found subtle ooops mean nasty way get back somebody cuts , wait till pulled past , gently lean bend aerial , every time done eventually snapped near base tends go undetected bummer replace gillian dear gillian cool idea n't think \? \? \? however , canada \( antenna \) usually near driver passenger areas would surely seen 'll give try anyway thanks first truely useable piece information heard long time \( means mere female , way getting back takes real guts \) mike maser dod squid rating 5 9235 pinetree rd sidney , b c , hopalonga yuka yuka excess 400 v8l wish list tridump , mucho , burley home \( 604 \) 656 6131 thumpison , work \( 604 \) 721 mmaser sirius uvic ca joke month gay say university victoria indian chief \? news rec motorcycles answer bum couple bucks \?
alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host organization vanderbilt university school engineering , nashville , tn , usa lines 16 bandwidth gets wasted apologize flame first , distributed message many newsgroups check article followed second , making argument clear enough reacted tone many anti kirlian posts , content right wrong , found arguments set arrogant words \( includes jokes \) , still think unwarranted , obviously , done alex
edwards world std com \( jonathan edwards \) subject comparing saabs bmw 's organization intranet , inc lines 27 article biz ecs umass edu ecs umass edu \( \) writes hi , would someone like post comparative analysis \( quantitative measures hp etc qualitative feel compare driving feel , handling , noise , etc \) saab 900 9000 's bmw 3 5 series comments comparing 900 9000 handling take saabs bmw 's comparable reliability would nice flaming wars could avoided folks post experiences '82 saab 900 turbo , '87 bmw 325is comparison handling , reliability , overall quality engineering bmw wins hands 5 years sick tired little problems entropic decay saab 6 year old bmw still sweet new see posting western bmw 's suck snow aggressive snows , plus hundred pounds sand back , still try avoid driving snow happily took saab conditions without worry would say single design flaw bmw jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet , inc 617 527 7020
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject interesting dc x cost anecdote organization express access online communications usa lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net 's assuming could get built course , would probably sport cruise missile racks , missile tubes , bomb points , extra drop tanks , full suite , terrain following radar stealth materials might fly , technology demonstrator require actual flight \) pat
com tw \( michael hung \) subject multi byte fonts organization internet lines 16 xpert expo lcs mit edu wondering change english fonts existed api multi bytes fonts \? \( chinese , japanese \) someone told x11r5 supports internationalization features , cannot find examples need anybody done similar jobs \? way , english fonts replace chinese japanese fonts , means windows , menubar , button great someone share us done thanks advance c hung
gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization georgia institute technology lines 27 article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote seem make two points one ultimately federal agencies mention , since koresh apparently different view point 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds 're sorry hmm reports texas authorities indicate none children group released showed signs child abuse given results found last time group investigated allegations , pretty much state strongly suspect government disinformation deception issue stockpiling weapons food , many recognized religous groups practice maintaining one years supply food , even maintain supply weapons ammunition , two facts grounds armed assault \? dollar value weapons purchased , bought decent firearms comes one handgun , rifle , shotgun adult , extras going rule , batf best get ready fight life assault alabama james cochrane danger , doubt , run space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles , scream shout rent
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject arsenokoitai nt meaning organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 209 meta exegesis conviction sin , part ii let return question , paul meant use refer less exactly levitical prohibition male male sex order bring problems clearly , 'll also \( think far less plausible \) paul coined term usage question want turn would mean paul 's readers later christians shorter last note , see question rapidly us major divisions within christ 's body , trying open gates flames across terrible separate us fellow christians biases \( loosely liberal \) evident , grinding axe , much trying get parties see may hard reach closure issues involved strike heart , different ways , see crucial gospel christ paul 's intent , immediate question readers understand intent \? following question , second one proper action manage understand \? since paul gives single clue meaning text 1st corinthians , two positive answers one negative question paul \( , someone \) apostolic community conveyed corinthians traditional jewish condem nation homosexual behavior , paul expects sufficiently well tradition needs explanation note evidence letter , 2 corinthians supposition \) b spirit teach us paul means \( , paul , god means behind paul 's inspired word choice \) c n't know , cannot guess within better pre , comparison , parallel use paul , passage word \( think obvious roots , try cutting teeth word ! neb translates grabbers \) even \( drunkards least advantage common insult , least hint meaning ! \) three positions less allowed exaggeration sake argument define classical catholic attitude towards tradition , one form protestant sola scriptura , liberal critical demand evidence three positions strengths weaknesses ad gospel preached community christ 's disciples successors , nt scripture communal tradition 's also case know little nothing tradition almost century paul , say access tradition several generations possibly confused transmission scripture documentation tradition critical era ad b born water spirit revert john attempt explain paul \) , hope standing gospel nicodemus neither traditions men vain elevation reason prevent spirit blowing downside protestant belief efficacy spirit guide scripture wing protestantism takes seriously also fragmented divergent understanding supposedly derived clear word god note classical lutheran , anglican thought scripture read within tradition , even judgment tradition scripture bizarre forms read scripture way primarily fringe aspect protestantism main problem approach apparently means one person convey another one may feel teaching received spirit history shows incredible conflict christians point , mind convinced led spirit one seriously urge point b without sense potential setting christian christian purpose \? ad c critical approach distinct advantage reach conclusion , lay data way open weakness obvious corollary usually possible \) may say word , already acknowledged bias one complaint critical methodology dissolves faith surely faith cannot honestly face ation evidence problems mere theology helpless address anyway , serious unfortunate possibility schism liberal conservative positions , mostly basis extreme zealots positions b c catholic sense authority tradition tends constrain arguments b contra c secondary position , despite horrendous strains rome likely find issues ultimately divisive protestant world \( predict \) via media , attempting give position due , due second question suppose tradition tells us , lots spiritual christians tell us , critical thought least admits possible , paul refering flat , universal levitical prohibition male male sex \? , personal tradition , let dictate answer 's precisely inherited traditions questioned 're dangerous examples christ questioning pharisees use tradition \( despite urging , matthew 23 2 heed \) examples peter , radically still paul , traditions led spirit call question jesus peter paul much throw tradition subject radical criticism , couple basic grounds demands law justice mercy good faith \( matthew 23 23 \) two commandments love god neighbor hand whole law , prophets , also \( matthew 22 40 \) fundamental \( derived christ \) validity challenge traditions , validity led first generation go far waive application torah gentile converts \( vastly beyond anything directly jesus' reported words deeds \) , signifies certain failure imagination postulate traditions specific challenges fact open challenge traditions passed men traditions men god may lead us even , traditions source spiritual instruction freely grant tradition inherently human , inherently \( given fall , corrupt \) nothing immune challenge , spirit shows us failure justice , mercy good faith nothing may ultimately stand unless follow love god love neighbor perfectly willing grant could blind sin spirit may taught another refuses teach \( dense learn \) tradition might value know tradition one occasion , christians appealed earthquake asia minor , sodomites cause earthquake , legislation passed making homosexual behavior capital offense accord gospel christ , christian human tradition hateful vicious see nothing much different onto usenet people quick condemn slow understand leading spirit , want part found obedience lord , , totally dependent witness christians , truth lives body christ say doubt gay christianity god said doubting pharisees would suppressed earliest church careful deal people enterprise , movement , human origin break accord fact come god unable destroy , might find fighting god acts 5 36 39 ask listen traditions , read scriptures mind soul open spirit , past history first christian willingness challenge tradition readings scripture though read authority scribes rabbis submission declaration must depend love god neighbor , study evidence learn history christians oppressing christians traditions judge jesus paul tell us judge let witness spirit lives fellow christians including preference theology guide towards god 's truth michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7 's certain ambiguity discussion position \( \) , whether 're speaking tradition paul 's time think two ways use tradition one say paul readers share tradition , makes sense interpret words context shared tradition 's makes think arguments words turn silly know paul came background rather sex everything else says sex consistent background tone remarks homosexuality rom 1 consistent background even words sin lists n't general terms homosexual activity \( seems 's evidence \) , one piece evidence something would probably willing believe evidence paul shares common jewish rejection homosexuality identify \( \) catholic position , 's rather horse different color catholic position involves continuing church tradition arguments specific tradition might \( 1 \) get guidance interpret paul 's original meaning tradition , e g way church fathers interpreted , \( 2 \) gain confidence prohibitions still apply time universal judgement church time think somewhat different use tradition radical protestant might willing use known 1st cent tradition illuminate paul 's original meaning , use catholic position answer question attitude homosexuality clh
colby bu bio bu edu \( chris colby \) subject gospels , josephus , etc origins organization animal lines 17 article 1993apr21 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) writes tree full holes \( please show intermediate forms reptile bird \) ignorant never heard \? bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com special creation theory nothing holes please show species existence god never seen chris colby email colby bu bio bu edu 'my boy , ' said , 'you descended long line determined , , microscopic champions every one ' kurt vonnegut galapagos
cnsvax uwec edu subject svga powerbook 160 \? reply cnsvax uwec edu organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 18 ok question want hook powerbook 160 svga monitor want buy powerbook dos companion anyone tell exact cable need connect \? cable , purchase computer store \? must buy cable james engineering , much run get hold \? \? \? guess 'a' question \) thanks advance replys john e mail cnsvax uwec edu
wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org subject kaliningrad \( tsniimach enterprise \) x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 26 f baube tm writes tsniimach enterprise described ex military establishment , located near npo energia facility kaliningrad , outside moscow facility kaliningrad , near moscow , fact ex east prussian , russian enclave baltic coast served ships rail , intrepid europe would find accessible might even want try arrange tour \( \? \? \) hmm must two towns name kaliningrad , located north moscow correct home several russian space enterprises , including npo energia , , , tsniimach main russian manned spacecraft control facility also located kaliningrad easily reachable auto moscow , tours arranged call ahead though , still armed military guards many facilities n't speak english , n't well paid , rather bored 's popular destination western space industry types moment wales larrison space technology investor maximus 2 01wb
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution usa lines 47 article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes ah yes , see liberal weenies come woodwork defend burning children actually liberals 've seen burning children would far preferred davidians set fire burned children death , n't believe responsibility fire \( almost complete absense attempts escape blaze \) placed door federal authorities far , credible evidence bd 's set fires atf fbi 's law type would never lie cover ass , right \? probably drooled watching tv coverage wife got convenient plastic pan christmas probably like nazi germany , well yeah , nazis know liberals love nazis , love , share surprising similarity beliefs method oh yeah , atf fbi claims , according media , survivors number seems vary minute minute yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death nathan engle software psychology department indiana university nate psygate psych indiana edu silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 62 reply frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) problem objectivist determine status moral truths method established accept judgements reports relate ought \( see naturalistic fallacy \) cannot proved facts nature world avoided least two ways \( 1 \) leaving good undefined , since anyone claims know either lying touch humanity undeserving reply good undefined \( undefinable \? \) require everyone know innately right , back subjectivism \( 2 \) defining good solely terms terms ditto statement implies value judgement part person making point objectivist may talk 'self evident pretty , prof flew deny subjectivist 's claim self evidence mind beholder \? course denying subject object true dichotomy please explain helps n't see argument , left claim moral judgements true \? nothing , moral judgements true thing commonly referred nihilism entails science value , fact people find useful anyone arrives relativism subjectivism argument beats makes sense either flew arguing objectivist winds , subjectivist furthermore , believed nothing except science , materialism , revolution , people subjectivist may well feel remains moral judgements would wish associate hold moral opinion , suggests , know something true preferences regarding human activity preferences include terrorism , moral opinion true likewise , preferences include , moral opinion true one choose set preferences include one includes \? oh , reason patently absurd also position subjectivist , pointed already others ditch strawman , already , see reply mike cobb 's root message thread societal basis morality david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
csc liv ac uk \( n humphries \) subject krillean photography organization computer science , liverpool university lines 31 nntp posting host goyt csc liv ac uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 thomas trusk \( ttrusk mcw edu \) wrote article efi com efi com \( alan morgan \) writes article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis bad example i'm atheist flame , abuse , want start another thread \( , , supposed image processing \) , say 're atheist suggest proof god means cannot atheists since way prove god atheists people believe god , believe , also damn sure n't god \( like \) cursor , aka nick humphries , csc liv ac uk , service 's use computers \? 'll never play pay money see chess , draw art make music jean bad films \? stay home intelligence n't make mistakes , see bad tv make look good free sam
umn cs cs umn edu \( dale \) subject question hell organization university minnesota lines 12 basis idea hell place eternal suffering \? biblical , please reference 's train thought god using earth manufacture heavenly beings , logical would certain yield , certain amount waste yield goes heaven , waste burned \( destroyed \) hell necessary punish waste , rather destroy \? peace joy , dale
tauren rigel cs pdx edu \( tauren n mills \) subject thoughts questions article pdxgate lines 35 joined group recently really know much cryptography , couple things came mind reading posts 1 clipper chip going exported \? , people communicate countries \? un crypt mode encryption techniques legal \( assuming government cracks using others \) going overseas , within states \? 2 've read authentication systems use electronic security card looks like calculator create encrypted pin based time date host system algorithm built well authenticate user form encryption technology would create keys valid certain instant time \? systems would allow window time around instant key would work realize technique would increase amount information needing stored would need entire algorithms rather keys smaller scale things might work could similar method used make two 80 bit keys issued police fbi etc tap phone usable one week \( instance \) needed , would go back escrow service get another key would make useless local police database keys used assume possible receiving phone would need able message thoughts subject \? thanks , tauren mills tauren mills tauren rigel cs pdx edu
tkelso afit af mil \( ts kelso \) subject two line orbital element set space shuttle keywords space shuttle , orbital elements , keplerian nntp posting host scgraph afit af mil organization air force institute technology lines 18 current orbital elements norad two line element sets carried celestial bbs , \( 513 \) 427 0674 , updated daily \( possible \) documentation tracking software also available system service satellite user community , current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial bbs may accessed 24 hours day 300 , 1200 , 2400 , 4800 , 9600 bps using 8 data bits , 1 stop bit , parity element sets \( also updated daily \) , shuttle elements , documentation software also available via anonymous ftp archive afit af mil \( 129 92 1 66 \) directory pub space sts 55 1 93 27 00000 0 3 0 129 2 28 241 284 109 3644 15 580 dr ts kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso afit af mil air force institute technology
jld hpfcso fc hp com \( jeff deeney \) subject first bike \? \? wheelies organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 14 rec motorcycles , speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes buy old dirt bike find vacant field \( get owners permission \) learn basics done sell trash bike move street speedy , 've got wrong 're done , buy better dirt bike , body armor , decent boots , forget weenie street riding \) jeff deeney dod '88 jld fc hp com ama '81 dirt bike riding perfectly safe scars prove
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject mosque jewish quarter \( israeli destruction \) organization department redundancy department lines 25 article dfs dfs doe carleton ca \( david f skoll \) writes jerusalem couple years ago , guide told us story mosque sure true apparently , built jewish convert islam dispute neighbours , built mosque annoy 's cute story , sure 's true gives story explaining presence several synagogues moslem quarter , story becomes suspect reality , old city past became 1948 pre israel jerusalem , many jews called moslem quarter postal telephone directories time prove 's really rather interesting hear arabs claim house store family centuries even clear photos documents show jewish owned business location decades ago jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
cutter gloster via mind org \( cutter \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate distribution world organization gordian knot , gloster , ga lines 27 pjs269 tijc02 uucp \( paul schmidt \) writes want know competent doctor ill government regulations driven costs decreased quality providing monopoly licensed many procedures could performed qualified nurses doctors forced common cold must diagnosed licensed doctor one allowed write doctor 's spending much time mundane cases cannot time spend really tough cases results higher cost , lower quality medical care georgia , state legislature 1992 accidentally passed law lobbied prohibiting anyone licensed md giving shots trying limit competing inadvertantly forbade nurses , , dentists , artists piercing skin \( probably diabetics \) secretary state 's office announced june 30th would n't enforce pending 1003 legislature hassle state flag heard nothing repealing cutter gloster via mind org \( chris \) jobs easy person n't holt 's law
v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) subject looking good book pspice 5 2 organization university buffalo lines 6 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu got copy spice 5 2 would like know published books market yet could get one would appreciate help thank neil gandler
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject genesis sega cd software forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 29 sega genesis sega cd forsale recently moved friends genesis cd player i'm selling whole setup 'd like sell everything together package come sega genesis sega cd 2 joysticks 1 pad sewer shark \( cd \) sol \( cd \) sega classics \( cd \) \( 5 games 1 cd \) streets rage revenge columns golden axe sherlock holmes \( cd \) cd g music graphics sampler john madden \( cart \) games cases instructions everything great condition would really like get 350 stuff sega cd alone worth 299 please email responses jth bach udel edu i'm dropping price 325 ca n't get much wo n't sell thanks , jay
wier merlin etsu edu \( bob wier \) subject radius \? organization east texas state university lines 23 article wier csci etsu edu , wier merlin etsu edu \( bob wier \) wrote vaguely , maybe remember kind serious problem board , composite , pal , video , composite , etc plus also generating quicktime movies , etc macweek generally complimentary april 12th issue oops got home checked found isnt radius video vision mentioned problems none less , still chance buy one relatively cheap anyone say well seems work , newer model introduced \( accounting price reduction \? \) thanks thousands apologies radius insert usual disclaimers bob wier , east texas state u , commerce , texas wier merlin etsu edu \( watch address change \)
larry peak psl nmsu edu \( evil engineer cowboy way \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update organization new mexico state university , metaphysical science laboratory lines 27 distribution usa 93110 cmuvm bitnet 1993apr21 341 gtewd mtv gtegsc com nntp posting host peak nmsu edu reply yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc com 's message 21 apr 93 11 28 57 0800 21 apr 93 11 28 57 0800 , yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc com said ah yes , see liberal weenies come woodwork defend burning children probably drooled watching tv coverage probably like nazi germany , well oh yeah , atf fbi claims , according media , survivors number seems vary minute minute yodicet yodicet yodicet hmm n't say l yeh , buddy larry psl nmsu edu \( larry cunningham \) 've got computer ! physical science laboratory \( \) \( \) right ! ! new mexico state university \( computer ! \) las cruces , new mexico , usa disclaimer opinions expressed correct , mine , oh sure , could easy way would n't cowboy way
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject thoughts organization distribution na lines 40 article blaze cs jhu edu , arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes article w briggs cc utas edu au w briggs postoffice utas edu au \( william briggs \) writes n't jc carpenter \? anyway 's beside point think fact compelling jc fulfilling prophecies prophecies include getting killed agonizing possible way nonsense think lot agonizing ways get killed fatal cancer , instance anyone else \? maybe make list actually , find stuff jc carpenter interesting independent source assertion , christian bible \? record anything built \? table , house , stairs \( norm abrams says real test carpenter 's skill building stairs hand tools \) leave plans behind , say kitchen counters \? build cross \? , use pressure treated lumber \? gotta use pressure treated anywhere wood meets concrete , holds better anyway outdoor applications keep seeing bumper stickers say boss jewish carpenter , 're always back ford escorts , real carpenter 's apprentice would probably drive pickup , i'm verification really carpenter dean kaflowitz sometimes like get away shack catfish ai n't pretty n't talk back good friends sure
tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) subject os 2 talk windows workgroups \? organization software metrics inc lines 16 tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) writes run wfw 's net utilities dos box \? way actually get os 2 talk wfw \? os 2 clients talk wfw \? following article found several people say lan server clients talk wfw , , also true lan manager \? \( n't lan server lan manager share common roots \? \) confused , somewhat less \) tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo , ont stick index fingers corners mouth pull 's corrado makes feel car , january '93
goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host dzoo ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard company , chelmsford , lines 26 article netcom com rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) writes anybody heard explanation fbi using tear gas 35 mph wind \? first , tank drove wall living room ca n't stop thinking children inside house \( room \? \) time many people got killed square events \? n't seem like good tactics explanations \? lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \) disclaimer opinions expressed mine , employer 's
khera cs duke edu \( vivek khera \) subject 'makedepend' problem organization duke university cs dept , durham , nc lines 21 nntp posting host cs duke edu mlt blues infores com \( michael \) reply mlt blues infores com 's message 17 may 93 20 59 30 gmt x md4 signature article 3032 metaphor com mlt blues infores com \( michael \) writes problem 'makedepend' n't know correctly process clause c preprocessor statements evaluates everything true matter anybody come solution fix willing share us \? rewrite 'makedepend' use m' m' \( one prefer , since system headers n't change often \) generating actual 'll still need write parts edit actual makefile think 's program berkeley distributions called essentially vivek khera , gradual student systems guy department computer science internet khera cs duke edu box \( mime mail accepted \) durham , nc \( 919 \) 660
kartik hls com \( kartik \) subject multiple \( simultaneous \) server connections organization internet lines 13 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu hi , requirement dynamically closing opening different display servers within x application manner time one display associated client proper cleanup done transition anticipate problems kartik kartik hls com
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject wanted police officers answer posting organization duke university durham , n c lines 38 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article shaman wv tek com wv tek com writes article news duke edu , infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes really expect cop answer honestly \? \( first gotta expect cop honest 's another story \) yeah , everybody knows cops always lie people deal day day always tell truth sir , sir , drinking tonight , playing around back sir , n't speeding , realy going , guy next n't ya see \? come stereotyping cops better stereo type us say try show open mind around us would ask know stretch worth try reason saying 'cause , cop would n't go way tell people break law would \? part honesty joke , sorta obviously , people bad experiences cops lying obviously , nobody 's perfect nobody always tells truth everything \( god \? 1 4 \) andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
oucsace cs ohiou edu \( max corbin \) subject 1 bit converter organization ohio university cs dept , athens lines 14 upon time , long long ago news group , someone posted schematic 1 bit converter well found use little monster anyone still got text file \? flip flop , resistor cap , op amp think would extremely thankful anyone could mail schematic post news group beware light end tunnel may oncoming dragon c u oucsace cs ohiou edu
ijs si subject papers vol 17 2 originator uwaterloo ca organization jozef stefan institute , ljubljana , slovenia lines 69 invitation send articles informatica magazine first fully international issue published echoes quite favourable information , contact \( ijs si \) dear colleague , april 25 , 1993 number 1 volume 17 informatica print receive week see , journal structured following way editorial \( first page \) profiles \( second page biography editor , issue , terry \) edited part papers \( pp 3 80 \) mission research reports \( plan knowledge archives project japan csli stanford , pp 81 100 \) news announcements \( pp 101 108 \) structure mentioned give suggestion could help make contents journal significant , diverse , interesting , bringing views discourse great emphasis given called editorial page page expresses opinion \( belief \) writing editor problems within scope computing informatics , extending concerning disciplines , e g , advanced ai , cognitive sciences , mind , concerned neural sciences , advanced technology \( e g \) , etc asked professor terry write page number 2 certainly would appreciate much get suggestions possible offers editors , like express strong \( directed \) beliefs concerning future development area question second page number editor 's profile published aim profile twofold show professional achievements , interests , scientific , philosophical orientation one side life story environments editors lived live side kind story instructive , adequately faced , contributing understanding circumstances editors act live edited part \( edited papers \) still critical would like stock accepted papers advance , issuing dates particular number fixed \( e g january , april , july , october \) situation right , ask help contributions colleagues , collaborators , students , etc critical views contemporary development computing informatics appreciated special emphasis given also fresh ideas coming circulation different professional communities reports different occasions \( , conferences , meetings , etc \) particularly new books , papers , interesting events welcome send news immediately \( also secretary \) e mail hand , send books publications \( annual reports , journals , calls papers , etc \) reviewing publishing informatica editorial staff manage rest e mail functioning satisfactorily , please use every respect submit editorial notes , profiles , reports , news even complete papers written standard latex format \( especially formulas \) received several final \( corrected \) texts number 1 different sites \( us , russia , etc \) way , compose reports already typed texts , using choice editing , submit contact person \( ijs si \) , always disposal , receive prompt confirmation information concerning common interest job end , please forget need cooperation help every mentioned respect aim informatica open various possibilities communication concerning strong scientific philosophical orientations well coming , still , way become significant please , apprehend give proposals , suggestions , , certainly , contributions via e mail means sincerely , anton p editor chief
uxa cso uiuc edu \( george heinz \) subject old gasoline \? help ! organization university illinois urbana lines 23 '72 stopped riding 2 years ago \( upgraded '84 sabre 750 \) parked corner parking lot , planned draining gas , spraying oil tank , etc get ready store well , lot procrastination , ended throwing well , move want clean 350 tried starting \( someone else 's battery \) luck first guess gas plan draining replacing new gas \( pray n't trash \) question , old gas \? going run sabre , think enough n't want burn \( campus police n't think kindly \) dumping n't great idea thanks ideas , george heinz win 1 , 000 , 000 question c code \? \( fair compiling \) int 1817 main \( z , p , q , r \) \( p 80 q p 80 p 2 p \) \( z 9 z \) q 3 \( r time \( 0 \) r 57 \) 7 , q q \? q 1 \? q 2 \? 1 p 79 \? 1 0 p 79 77 \? 1 0 p 1659 \? 79 0 p 158 \? 79 0 , q \? ! p q 2 \? p p q q q 0 0 \( q 1817 \) printf \( q 79 \? c c n , ! q 1 \)
fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) subject braves update ! ! organization biochemistry lines 58 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes thrown gant legitimate beef 1 0 pitch called strike reasonable umpire would tried force gant back box situation reasonable umpire would 's instructed season get batters back box sooner try cut ridiculous length games one glad see happen , hope umpires hirschbeck pitcher pitch batter wo n't get back box previous strike call bogus \? 's past , ca n't changed get back deal next pitch sorry , sherri , ca n't agree particular incident i'm cutting number chain rattles examples rampant , difference 1 \) since time immemorial , batters complained calls pitchers catchers usually , nothing happens unless league notified teams year allowing complaints , hirschbeck acting expectations 2 \) 's gant hirschbeck 's face gant said something call , stepped box , turned away hirschbeck hitter \( little consequence , decent eye \) , whenever receiving short end stick questionable call , 'd want moment two box , reason rethink strike zone based experience last pitch really angry ump , 'd rather turn away catch breath turn say something might get tossed , especially key moment game gant turned away , hirschbeck immediately motioned gant step box imo , point time , hirschbeck determined show gant exactly charge game gant n't dawdling n't chance hirschbeck simply exercising power play gant resisted , many us might thought unreasonable request , hirschbeck called pitch point , cox came field , pitch thrown , many braves left dugout cox tossed protecting player pleasantly surprised gant kept cool enough stay game 's small sample size , based saw game , mark hirschbeck hair trigger temper need play god field good qualities umpire keep eyes open future appearances hirschbeck future , order improve sample size imo , game remember name umpire bad game umpire eric roush
galaxy nsc com \( james lu \) subject good car wash wax \? nntp posting host nsc com organization national semiconductor , santa clara distribution na lines 15 question 's experience car wash wax \? liquid type wax bottles pour water , car , hose , dry cloth many people used easy work gives visual results paste type wax , last long \? negative effects car paint \? forward reply directly email id \? thanks james
integral stavropol su \( igor \) subject please , help patient ! ! ! distribution world organization scientific industrial centre integral reply integral stavropol su summary help victim ! ! ! \( read letter \) lines 18 mail su subject please , help ! ! ! dear ladies gentlemen ! grateful information address \( \) e mail address loma linda hospital \( approximate position usa , california , near town , 60 miles los angelos \) patient needs consultation clinics operation respect , igor v quit
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paryavi matt ksu ksu edu \( saiid paryavi \) subject carrying case centris 610 \? organization kansas state university lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu anyone know carrying case centris 610 \? thanks info saiid paryavi paryavi matt ksu ksu edu saiid cis ksu edu
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject theism fanatism \( islamic genocide \) organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 84 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism correlation causation belief absolutes exist thing belief absolutes , belief shortest route thing knowledge irish correlation necessarily causation however , might noticed , allows conclude correlation religion fanatism based common features religious belief \( sorry long quotes , dont see cut \) huh \? barking mad \? hardly \( 1 \) theism strongly correlated fanaticism say plus could find stronger correlations actually interested truth instead seeming , bigot theism correlated fanaticism neither said fanatism caused theism theism leads fanatism point , theism increases chance becoming fanatic one could course argue would fanatics tend towards theism \( example \) , times history theism dominant ideology invalidate conclusion basic mechanism behind imo , influence stalin , matter , ayn rand , invalidates assumption theism factor considered gullibility , blind obedience authority , lack scepticism , , reliable indicators really dangerous people sources fanaticism often none things cynical manipulators gullible , know precisely , brands theism , precisely theists , tend fanaticism , grant tar theists brush bigotry , reasoned argument reads like warm censorship restriction religious freedom ever read animal farm \? \( 2 \) define irrational belief e g , rational believe reason always useful \? irrational belief belief based upon reason latter discussed long time charley wingate one point beliefs violate reason often , another process lend rational analysis contain reliable information well , glaring paradox argument reason useful based reason would circular , argument based reason would irrational \? first part second statement contains information , n't say beliefs beliefs strong theism strong atheism , statement general true second part sentence patently false counterexample axiomatic datum lend rational analysis , assumed contain reliable information regardless process used obtain compared evidence theists claims strength demands makes whole thing irrational antirational ca n't agree specific theism \? say theism necessarily antirational requires proof suspect affinity fanatism easily seen true believe nothing work hypothesis however , beliefs say work hypothesis n't understand argument \? frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject accounts anti armenian human rights violations azerbaijan 024 summary finish armenians , 'll go russians ! organization p center regional studies lines 316 's room christians ! finish armenians , 'll go russians ! deposition melkumian 1 born 1963 teacher boarding school 1 resident building 2b , apartment 21 block sumgait azerbaijan fate everything , happy family , , 25 , 've become widow , i'm left raise three children alone third , yet two months old , born yerevan igor thought girl would call raisa , mother law , boy , 'd call , igor 's grandfather girl , , without igor , named raisa , honor dead grandmother family neighbors since 1965 igor grew together , friends childhood got engaged 16 1981 , 18 , married two children born us sumgait daughter 6 years old , name kristina , son , seryozha , four half first shall tell happened february 27 day way home work passed lenin square , 1 , 500 people gathered komsomol members , pioneers children 's organization , party members non party people well shouting , 's room christians ! finish armenians , 'll go russians ! even cried , death armenians ! absurd rumors circulating town became frightened came home , , told everything seen downtown family could n't believe father law melkumian , n't home , azerbaijani wedding eight o'clock returned barely finished parking car rear window smashed rock got car one well telling everything , , said , , longer government \? day igor said , papa , something terrible happening city said , 'll stay home , one drive us home day passed february 28 , sunday , n't go called relatives asked kinds questions , said thing sometime around evening started smashing car armenian neighboring building ira , brother law 's wife , called police 're wrecking car , help called called , nonetheless n't come n't anything february 29 , monday , even though troops city , afraid go work called school keys classroom told senior teacher send someone keys , would n't coming agreed , even said , fine , n't come , understand 's going town , n't come , 28th , family came came father law said , uncle , broke windows , bad things happening town uncle misha even said , eyes saw chasing naked girls streets n't know , said , leave town well 29th already trying decide go , thinking 'd go dacha got couple bags together , clothes , food , bare essentials somewhere around 4 45 building manager came said , uncle , situation town bad , n't go father even opened said , maybe 'll drive dacha , 'll safer , said , 'll worse , 'll safer home said n't afraid , something happens 'll send people save left 15 minutes passed 200 people burst courtyard us home time igor two children , ira edik daughter , sister law ira , mother father law family , three , uncle misha , zhasmen , daughter marina started breaking door remember edik igor told us , go room close door close door calm children wo n't hear 's anyone home children started crying suddenly ira , brother law 's wife , suggested , let 's run onto balcony two daughters law children , zhasmen marina raced onto balcony sister law mother law ran said , quick , balcony , 'll kill lived second floor needed cross balcony neighbor 's first could n't manage balcony looked onto street time people coming home work , many stood , watching pleaded begged please , call someone , someone come ! even started shouting 'll throw children , 'll throw , catch take somewhere , least children survive either afraid n't know looked though watching movie started throwing stones us 'll say , n't bandits , people part building entryway , regular people , bus even stopped remember man 's voice saying armenians climbing balcony ira , sister law , helped us get children pregnant , seven months pregnant , n't yet seven , six half climbed think zhasmen went first know , n't remember well zhasmen went first , think , edik 's wife ira children , screaming crying kristina said , mamma , n't throw us balcony , 're afraid ! lilia crying , kristina seryozha crying kristina n't even want climb shouted , i'm staying grandmother , i'm staying grandma ! loved grandma , loved mother law shouted , oh , kristina 's still , 's still , save kristina , ! ira helped us climb , kristina coming last ira helped us went back inside started pounding neighbor 's balcony door pounded fist , , open door , open , please ! n't open , go away , go anywhere , go , i'm opening door neighbor , friends , never refused anything , ever ! apparently thought going break windows , opened door opened said , karina , karina , go away , go anywhere , n't stay , 'll kill us , , begged , please , least take children , 'll leave , 'll go back , said , leave sons ran , one knife 's brother , 's around 18 , shouted us get , leave , 'll kill knife ! became terrified , took children went entryway went stairs went heard loudspeaker courtyard armenians must killed , 've taken best places , best apartments ! one said , let armenian blood flow , none survive ! heard went upstairs started knocking doors one opened door ! third floor , fourth could n't see zhasmen longer ira came upstairs later even thought let stay , would save head spinning killing family , next entryway two children seryozha four , kristina five half crying , mamma , 're scared ! frightened n't even know calm , try calm \? awful third floor man open door asked , open , let inside ! opened door slightly said , ! ! said ! went fifth floor pounded fists door might opened , man house , stood , looking ready get knees almost get knees please , beg , least take children n't azerbaijani , lezgin n't even know , let inside went , zhasmen already two minutes n't passed ira lilia came stairs lilia crying n't want open door started pleading , please , open door , 's ira lilia ! open door ! said , , i'm afraid said , please , open door , please ! looked looked long time opened door ira came lilia threw 's arms , crying man locked us bathroom sat long time door told us , calm children , calm , calm \? man hiding us , family \? still apartment sensed none us would come alive said , igor , edik , let 's say farewell edik turned around looked say , kind joke \? thought would kill us igor looked , already late ! started pounding door , igor standing next door told us , go lock room sit tight thought room went onto balcony went edik , igor , let 's say farewell igor n't think could climb balcony get , ca n't believe able save igor put helmet , edik coat , put fur hat men igor , edik , father , misha stood next door thought would pound leave side door ordered azerbaijani open door ! silent , waiting someone outside door said , 're home , 're , break door ! remember father law whispering , 're going break , 's coming something hands , think knife got , going defend hall near door two metal chair legs outside door said , 're counting five , open ! quiet , n't answer made like one home figured 'd leave , 'd get tired leave father law said , 's possible 'd come home \? everyone knows us , sumgait knows family , good terms everyone indeed day pass n't azerbaijani guest table nice dacha , everyone would get together often , azerbaijanis liked us save , flee home ira , remember , said , i'm leaving , brothers parents , i'm going fight alongside 's said picked knife said , open door come apartment i'm going fight alongside family , i'm going anywhere 's broke apartment heard fighting shouting noise terrible hid upstairs fifth floor lezgin 's apartment , could hear everything , even ira 's voice remember calling mother several times called long time started pounding door bathroom open door , ira , 's shouting , 's ira shouting , 's voice ! lezgin said , 's nothing , calm , , 's apartment lying 'd calm two hours went lezgin opened door said , karina , igor got away , calm ran away saw igor break away run eyes killed outside , next building bathroom experienced every possible human terror way ira shouted ! shouted , save , mamma , save ! mamma , mamma ! repeated several times wild din many people , shouting , , howling , whistling ca n't imagine going , roar like apparently , killed ira murderers came entryway hiding came upstairs , way fifth floor n't know looking armenians us particular , think looking us climbed balconies someone street saying daughters law climbing balconies heard ira heard coming stairs entryway doors thought last moments , started saying good bye children , kissing sleeping woke kristina ! seryozha , wake ! tell ira ira , something happens , 'll throw balcony fifth floor apparently lezgin neighbor opened door , later said , opened door told armenians inside left neighbor went balcony see gone n't friends lezgin neighbors , knew building people friends would n't even consider hiding us lezgin let us bathroom candle burning said , karina , 're lights block whole block dark , whole block ! 's huge block , lezgin said , i'm afraid keep morning , i'm afraid neighbors , might kill saving said , saying , 'll leave ca n't leave children middle night give us time find somewhere else hide said , well ok , go look asked ira , ira , want go \? ira said , , 'll stay children , karina said , fine , 'll go zhasmen went downstairs together dark one courtyard dark , pitch black l afraid go seven , igor always met work accompanied home , never went alone middle night slaughter like , probably eleven later called boarding school director answered said , karina , \? n't know , calling public phone outside n't know got confused hung receiver found time , asked , time \? said 11 20 , think , n't really remember anyway zhasmen went courtyard look see appears person far apartment smell something burnt became horrified looked corpse long time either ira edik saw one , zhasmen grabbed hand squeezed hurry , let 's go hurry , come , turning around \? turned around saw large truck , must belonged bandits , came kill us truck like lived third entryway , truck next fourth walked quickly , holding hands thought , go police 'll put away could n't count reached police station saw military vehicle went said , soldier , block 41 , n't know 've killed people injured need save ! said , go police station tell everything said , i'm afraid go , i'm afraid said , n't afraid went police wrote address , military vehicle went building n't go , left police station gave addresses mother brothers 'd rescue , n't know happened brought children ira lilia first took us kgb , two three morning around five took us city party committee , many people , many pregnant wearing nothing dress seryozha wearing shirt , kristina little dress coat , boots , nothing ! sat three whole days city party committee lezgin told igor escaped thought probably alive two half days , took us , armenians sumgait , march 6 people central committee came told us , karina , ira , need , come us city party committee mamma come , looking six days , brothers , uncle went city party committee waited courtyard wearing nothing dress , ira dress well strong wind march 6 hour went one told us , karina , ira , gather courage would like go burial \? said , , really kill \? ! said , let 's look long list , started reading igor melkumian , husband , eduard melkumian , brother law , melkumian , sister law , melkumian , father law , raisa melkumian , mother law read names said , get car , let 's go burial buried family could n't believe time , could n't conceive imagine even think shall explain children 're older \? children attached father grandfather grandmother kristina n't love way loved grandfather grandmother , spoiled kristina would always announce , grandma better anyone ! , even though getting used mother , 's difficult , told 're bad grandmother n't know , asked , kristina , 's papa \? said , killed knows , understands recently seryozha severely something , started shouting , papa comes i'm going tell everything ! july 26 , 1988 boarding house near village district armenian ssr reference 1 sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan , volume , eyewitness accounts , edited samuel shahmuradian , forward yelena bonner , 1990 , published aristide caratzas , ny , page 318 324 david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
kaul vnet ibm com subject vesa driver ibm xga news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 17h vishnepolsky r rogers lines 16 reply kaul vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host kaul bocaraton ibm com organization ibm boca raton visual subsystems gmichael 28 vmd cso uiuc edu gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu \( gary r michael \) writes anyone tell find standard vesa display driver support motherboard xga video 486 dx2 ibm model 95 \( \) \? need use 640 x 480 higher resolutions windows 3 1 ms dos minimum colors 256 highest resolution , 64k colors needed 640 x 480 ibm xga svga vesa driver 2 02 reference diskette , available ibm bbs 's also compu erve , bang sales rep get later version dick kaul opinions , official ibm positions , etc ibm xga development 'd make wear suit speak ibm boca raton , fl use unnecessary violence kaul vnet ibm com blues brothers approved
barmar think com \( barry margolin \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization thinking machines corporation , cambridge , usa lines 25 nntp posting host think com article 1993apr29 102341 13820 comp lancs ac uk julian comp lancs ac uk \( julian g self \) writes n't shareware fee suggestion john \? 's request personal users 's requirement commercial , government , institutional users someone else asked whether authors jpeg tiff software given permission incorporate code commercial product found following jpeg readme specifically permit encourage use software basis commercial products , provided warranty liability claims assumed product vendor following tiff copyright permission use , copy , modify , distribute , sell software documentation purpose hereby granted without fee , looks like 's ok account barry margolin system manager , thinking machines corp barmar think com uunet , harvard ! think ! barmar
mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl \( leo mekenkamp \) subject challenge microsoft supporters lines 26 organization department mathematics computer science , university leiden brian grier \( bjgrier bnr ca \) wrote computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception excuse \? one people enjoy working w win \? come talk house mate mine tell productive life encountered yet another sudden appearence dos prompt cutting pasting win ! empty win screen without tasks running \( e esc brings empty list , progman done \) leo 's starboard bow , leo mekenkamp scrape 'em jim ! 53 6 ' ` lz leiden netherlands ` ' 071 \( \) \( \) ' ` mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl ` ` ` ' ' ' leo wi leidenuniv nl
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject hypodermic needle organization portal system \( tm \) lines 4 scientific american nice short article history hypodermic 10 15 years ago prior liquid , paddle like needles used implant tiny pill skin
jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) subject manual advice needed organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca lines 8 n't think transmission fluid change solve problem unless extremely cold climate using heavy weight fluid follow manufacturer 's recommended oil weight cars \( standard transmissions 4 5 speeds \) recommend changing transmission fluid 30 , 000 miles normal driving conditions 've gone 100 , 000 without changing transmission oil \( replace transmission bearings ! \) older cars used 85 weight oil whereas 92 honda uses 10 30 motor oil \( maybe 30 weight \)
bobo thejester cray com \( bob kierski \) subject philosophy quest boldly \? originator bobo thejester cray com lines 47 nntp posting host thejester organization cray research , inc article fs7 ece cmu edu , loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes analog sf magazine article similar subject quite years ago question , alien spacecraft landed washington , c , proper organization deal state department \( alien ambassadors \) , defense department \( alien invaders \) , immigration service \( illegal aliens \) , department interior \( new non human species \) , etc much question perception aliens , anything intrinsic nature bibliography article cited philosophical paper \( name author sadly forget believe author italian \) constitutes legal moral person , e , entitled rights normally accorded person paper quite interesting , recall whole different situation aliens able get prior us able get , one might conclude would advanced therefore however get somewhere life , chances wont able communicate clue weather think 'd careful answer yes human track record helping poor cultures \( mean enough \? \) terrible usual result destruction radical culture may always wrong , 's way bet 's good point , n't thought way question however along lines every year us spends millions tax dollars giving tax breaks individuals companies feed poor foreign countries thousands people sleep streets night would give another planet n't resolved issues \? comment brings another good question years decided certain cultures need improvements native americans good example prior attempt , native american culture little crime , , poverty europeans came along encounter life elsewhere , tell live houses , farm land go church sunday \? day , \( \) bobo
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject tapped , code good organization mary ellen carter salvage crew distribution na reply strnlght netcom com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 19 48 01 gmt rubin dsg4 dse beckman com strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 30 article strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes would n't think asking people trust secret algorithm seems unsound maybe , 's quite common millions macintosh users idea 's apple 's patented roms many modems connected know business secrets n't stolen \? answer 1 trust apple 2 attempt , however sophicsticated , came , would destroy apple 's credibility forever 's also 3 \) 's secret want , go look apple 's copyrighted roms mac , 're keeping secrets n't even pry top chip use electron microscope , read data memory see figure means \( motorola object code n't obscure ! \) yes , 's copyrighted , ca n't go selling copies , using copy , see , disassemble 4 \) 're asking trust honesty 're asking trust quality assembly language programming \) , see performance , price , crashes day nsa , organization known honesty openness , asking trust privacy , wo n't trust ! pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? stubbs hawk cs ukans edu \( jerry stubbs \) organization university kansas computer science dept lines 17 yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul vote turning night stress little harmful , n't turn , back hour later , etc , turning 4 5 hours overnight good idea consumption go turn overnight , along heat lot 10 year old machines basement still work , cares \? \( 24 hours day \)
melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization computer science department , university new mexico lines 39 article apb news2 cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) writes muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement last time heard , nazis prided needing body carry politics ideologies statment true , n't think israel would used point muslim neighbor \( palestine \) could allowed \? jewish lobby power strong , said true , would heard could come dare say taking sides ! ! reference 4 page essay local star tribute newspaper putting whole conflict perspective readily admit authority area however , asserted muslims join hands croats nazis persecuting serbs case , past actions way validate legitimize sincerely apologize extent author essay wrong making assertion made maybe , student history may put perspective satya prabhakar thank much position source apologies accepted good faith absolutely attempt bring knees , merely suggestion really check sources throwing flame net thanx mohammed
colorado edu \( mark \) subject summary virtual mouse ol v wm reply euamol eua ericsson se 's message fri , 30 apr 1993 06 45 24 gmt nntp posting host colorado edu organization , university colorado lines 14 regarding summary virtual mouse ol v wm euamol eua ericsson se \( mats larsson \) adds virtualgrabkeys ow resource belongs olvwm \( 1 \) , olvwm \( 1 \) \( version3 3 \) man page says 's called \( boolean \) resource controls whether keys marked involving grabs active resource set false , none bindings marked ever active default value true
idler cs tu berlin de \( andreas kuehnel \) subject delayed write caches organization technical university berlin , germany lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit i'm using norton cache 5 0 , really nice horrible incompatible games wo n't work , streamer software wo n't work windows n't like copying deleting lots small files , really fast see , write file fat must changed write 1000 files fat must changed cache program smart enough good enough run applications \? help really appreciated
starowl rahul net \( michael adams \) subject median \? \? \? new study gay percentage nntp posting host bolero reply starowl rahul net organization service actuarial consulting x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 28 20 apr 93 13 34 03 gmt , gary piatt observed first , median imply half men half 7 3 simply means 7 3 mid point maximum number partners minimum \( likely zero \) actually , median defined 50th median number sexual partners men 7 3 , means least 50 men 7 3 fewer sexual partners , least 50 men 7 3 sexual partners \( question 0 3 sexual partner \? \) confuse matters , take following data set 5 0 , 6 0 , 6 0 , 7 0 , 7 0 , 7 3 , 8 0 , 9 0 , 9 0 , 9 0 , 250 0 mean \( arithmetic average \) set numbers 29 4 sample standard deviation 73 2 mode 9 0 median 7 3 michael adams \( starowl a2i rahul net \) enterprise , alabama 's strange quirk , hardly ever sing along people tie
subject wc 93 results , april 18 caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 19 article access digex net , steveg cadkey com \( steve gallichio \) writes policy regarding players minor league playoffs versus wc \? know rangers holding back kovalev , zubov , andersson binghamton , also know whalers wanted michael nylander play springfield , nylander wanted play sweden whalers allowed nhl decide , nhl chose wcs differ rangers oilers \? whalers go league , could forced nylander play springfield \? long player contract organization , obligated play organization tells play gives permission play rangers certainly within rights force zubov andersson report binghampton certainly reflect lack class part ranger organization , however binghampton win calder cup really important keeping players happy \? alan
barr pop psu edu \( david barr \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization penn state population research institute lines 17 nntp posting host bosnia pop psu edu article 2 cs cmu edu tgl cs cmu edu \( tom lane \) writes commercial \? 's big difference polite request voluntary donation commercial , 's illegal copy 'll sic lawyers software \? documentation say commercial , government , institutional users must register copies xv , exceedingly reasonable price 25 per workstation x terminal n't sound like voluntary donation dave system administrator , penn state population research institute define 25 typewriter
tanaka ircam fr subject serial pinout connect pc keywords , rs232 , serial , adaptor , cable reply tanaka ircam fr organization ircam lines 21 sorry , must faq , 's quick fix need take care demo less 24 hours ! could n't think better place rapid answer comp sys mac hardware need connect serial 386 20 pc printer port mac iici anyone handy pin pin routing cable would allow connection \? serial port compaq male would map mac serial \? tried one really short cables apple sold adaptors plug macintosh serial peripherals pre macplus era cable n't need null modem adaptor well side things \? need able map data tx rx pins correctly thanks kindly , tanaka tanaka ircam fr
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject raid justification blast next time organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 22 dale access digex com \( dale farmer \) writes rick bressler \( bressler iftccu ca boeing com \) wrote forgot leave quote source happened waco fault batf would proper equipment personal could captured compound initial assault none would happened batf part dept treasury , justice needed assault place could like irs call federal marshalls service , irs n't need rely federal marshall 's services irs swat teams saw picture one article irs magazine dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com u government become garrotte around necks citizens garrotte , people struggle breathe air freedom , government tightens stranglehold possible outcomes point death government elimination personal freedom
cmk athena mit edu \( charles kozierok \) subject bosio 's hitter organization massachusetts institute technology lines 26 nntp posting host electric monk mit edu article shelley u washington edu dudgeon opus washington edu writes pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) writes watched final inning bosio 's hitter several people work vizquel made barehanded grab middle , someone remarked fielded glove , would n't time throw riles yet , throw beat riles two steps wonder many others watched final think vizquel choice make play bare hand morning 's paper \( radio \? \) , vizquel quoted saying could fielded ball glove still easily thrown riles , barehanded instead make final play memorable seems cocky , made work 's entitled guess still , 's kind stupid move , imo 'd singing different tune booted , next guy hit single stranger things happened \( hey , used big dave fan \) unfortunately , 's thing unearned hit \) cheers , charles
sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization exnet systems ltd public access news , london , uk lines 33 article 15441 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article c5og5h 4de exnet co uk , sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) writes article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes well , obvious point make would straight men fuck like rabbits oppertunity presented \? reckon man would go wildly promiscuous presented huge variety willing partners question , suppose , says lot screwed cramer instance telling well everyone else n't ever cafe restaurant stuffed full goodies yet one item , little different , new texture new taste , presented somehow found space maybe n't , \? widely reported reckon applies sex clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! xavier clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! xavier
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject final solution gaza \? nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 23 article 1993apr26 das harvard edu adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes certainly , israeli legitimate worry behind action took , n't action little draconian \? alternative would suggest taken safeguard lives israeli citizens \? adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu tell stay home \? \) sorry , terrible attempt alternative \? hell , n't know perfectly possible objections particular policy feeling alternative choice tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) subject angry doctor \? distribution na organization tektronix , inc , redmond , lines 8 going doctor get minor surgery done doctor refuses 's \( still charges 50 ! \) go home problem involved digging pine needle buried tongue mike
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject christianity repeated lives lines 73 article may 11 02 38 37 1993 athos rutgers edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet wr ites essentially discussion reincarnation context christianity gerry palo made comparisons asian religious beliefs topic simplified asian idea karma point misrepresentation realized generalizations would probably problems scrutiny various asian points view need discussed detail , indeed purposes newsgroup thread thus far newsgroup , risked main purpose emphasize coming buddhist hindu point view observed , main context christianity means , add comments corrections find wrote longer reply addressing points , decided post perhaps would appropriate soc religion eastern instead add following couple items karma reincarnation see matter christian point view 1 karma simple reward punishment dealt judging deity 2 reincarnation born 3 reincarnation resurrection body 4 reincarnation karma contradict fundamental teachings christianity god , fall , incarnation , death , resurrection christ , coming , sin , grace , forgiveness , salvation , last judgement n't origen usually cited prestigious proponent reincarnation among christian thinkers \? views , relate christian scriptures \? jack carroll origen 's work mostly lost , knowledge , writing comes largely fragments quotations enemies perhaps someone else comment origen n't know specific statement reincarnation , know probably hold teaching one form another n't know much history idea reincarnation church however , heard interesting story pope john paul ii astronomer teaches university pope likes go poland scientific conference every couple years relax talk polish friends fellow acquaintance , , related fact knew steiner anthroposophy early days became priest actor dramatic company whose leader steiner based acting directing methods steiner 's indications part work study basic works anthroposophy well , going conference years ago , astronomer another polish thought would ask pope thought anthroposophy last minute , one ask thought reincarnation pope smiled said , actually quite good catholics believed reincarnation , proceeded name several earliest times modern times changed subject polish friend say whether origen among mentioned gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \) far know origen controversial , avoided outright condemnation lifetime however views condemned council alexandria 400 two councils constantinople 543 553 fairly sure souls one doctrines condemned clh
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject profiles shostack , freeman , death organization university maryland , college park lines 47 nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes eric perlman \( perlman qso colorado edu \) posts make good case study instead attempting enlightening pinkas errors ways , even politely asked continue debate email , persist publicly labeling posts , mine , fit description first thing upon entering newsgroup \? treat everyone n't agree opinions dirt , explain , call rude names , twist words flames need go \? defend quite well pinkas , thank nothing need defend said exchange ideas usenet people never attacked put need defend violent person , see anyone threatened opinions ideas others expressed usenet asked continue email interested flamefest , change words make present mine , worry need defend attacking next time try making comments try basic civility might get somewhere good advice 'nuff said eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder alberto pinkas aap wam umd edu umd edu
goudswaa fraser sfu ca \( peter goudswaard \) subject solution multi setups standalone easy ! ! ! organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 31 gomez intel com \( ron hudson \) writes peter goudswaard \( goudswaa fraser sfu ca \) wrote setup deleted finally , order run specific version windows , must simply change path include c specific configuration path , e g c could get fancy use batch files , environment variables , system stuff delete happen running new msdos 6 , could use multi setup provide menu menu choice person using machine power , select name , menu use personal sections config sys autoexec bat thus setting path , running windows copy ! ron excellent suggestion , ron comment dos 6 , decide install windows standalone configuration completely , 1 directory hard drive , use dos 6 jump specific copy user , could saving many megs disk space use setup n technique ! ! peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu ca \( preferred \) pgoudswa cln etc bc ca pgoudswa cue bc ca 's gift like present goudswaard 's observation
mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) subject two babylons lines 9 seeing two babylons brought , time respond , , say book junk nothing anti catholic tract sort published ever since protestants scholarship phony assertions spurious c wingate peace god , peace , strife closed sod mangoe cs umd edu yet , brothers , pray one thing tove ! mangoe marv'lous peace god
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject opinion means organization duke university durham , n c lines 27 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article 1993apr20 rtsg mot com svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) writes view , drunk driving carry mandatory prison sentence one traffic offenses public funds issue , genuine safety issue bring subject rec moto , admitting caught dwi , looking sympathy consequences , n't expect people respond warm wishes dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon able drive year , close enough jail , btw , hell ask sympathy asked insurance , life fwiw , everyone honest group , 'd others besides read dwi andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject nikkor 70 210 af sale 175 organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 3 nikkor 70 210 af immediate sale excellent condition send e mail details
fester island com \( mike fester \) subject \( clark jerk \) organization usr local rn organization lines 35 article 1993apr19 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes article 1993apr19 1088 island com fester island com \( mike fester \) writes curiousity , n't pointed thing mr , seems making \( unsubstantiated \) accusation clark \? taking word two , leonard repeatedly said problems , mitchell refused comment mike , prove utter inability read plain english ironic post ability , invariably makes mistake \( english generally written english \) find somebody literate , explain full post saying clark racist saying clark racist saying know , know saying care , consider giants' concern oddly , see contested perhaps , assuredly greater english ability explain , tiny words might grasp meaning , precisely infer said things \? david nieporent understood post replied private e mail , perhaps , take reading lessons mr fisher , place burden proof one makes allegation first place perhaps might explain \? email route , mr fisher , might tried mike
coutsoft cheshire oxy edu \( michael coutsoftides \) subject 386dx 20mhz motherboard sale organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa lines 8 hate posts 386dx 20mhz mb w 4meg 60ns ram make offer michael
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization electronic society reply koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 14 59 37 gmt 1993apr26 3570 wdl loral com nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 29 article 1993apr26 3570 wdl loral com koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) writes clipper also allows extraordinary opportunity criminal conceal use super encryption automated full system surveillance mechanism \( quite feasible across radio bandwidth \) knows family key f , validate clipper wrappers n esn associations , cannot reveal realtime use super encryption , unless knows unit keys , assured made available two separate pieces , upon specific wiretap like order serial number 64 bit block , 34 bit filler n't take lot check see correct depends whether filler constant \( makes checking easy , susceptible replay \) , variable \( e g timer , counter , random \) , makes replay harder also make easier inquisitors know 've missed messages , gotten sequence , interesting things sort person might care still easy conceal super encryption , least inquisitors get ahold k key , take , presumably near real time \( worst case , escrow agencies provide u key local cops , still gets one side conversation per warrant , unless key used directions , suppose capstone version chip probably insist \) pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 48 nntp posting host orbit src umd edu article 1993may12 iastate edu jakhan iastate edu \( javed ahmed khan \) writes article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu , prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case dont think 're correct reports bosnians muslims supporting nazis genocide serbians fact croat govt using secret police \( called ustache , think \) prime agents nazis yugoslavia serbs actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) croats formed resistance movement \( \) forced exile , fascist italy , sheltered exile , practiced terrorist approach liberating croatia croats croatia followed approach peaceful negotiations leadership axis powers took control second world war , refused collaborate , brought run newly formed puppet state state included croatia bosnia herzegovina , ideology saw muslims best croats \( flowers croatian people \) muslims bosnia herzegovina therefore joined however , even others joined tito 's membership peaked less 1 croat muslim population area time wwii , muslims still considered religious minority descended croats serbs converted islam centuries ago , 1968 , decided forcing muslims declare nationality either serbs croats good policy , current president yugoslavia , strongly opposed , sought prevent category muslim \( ethnic sense \) appearing next census criticized expelled party , since time , bosnian muslims considered separate nationality , although still deny insist choose either serb croat nationality sincerely , josip
geop ubc ca \( william ng \) subject \( q \) scsi ide \( e 2 hard drives \) organization university b c geophysics astronomy lines 41 distribution world nntp posting host geop ubc ca article 1993apr19 news cs brandeis edu wbarnes sura net \( bill barnes \) writes anyone \( successfully \) put scsi ide hard drives system \? would like know well , since bought 200mb seagate ide drive want add computer \( four year old gateway 386 20 \) , currently 80mb seagate scsi drive scsi controller docs told specify cmos setup , e hard drive settings listed installed , apparently scsi controller works wonders wondering problem also , remember , helped cousin install second ide drive , define master slave relationship need something similar \? particularly interested scsi boot drive help would appreciated , since intend install drive asap 'd like know \( \) start thanks ! using ide \( mfm \) scsi drives years 2 ide 1 scsi one system 2 ide , 2 scsi disk , 1 scsi cdrom currently using always scsi card , also future domain , western digital scsi card , work recall , cards support boot floppy drive however , use controller \( ide , mfm \) boot drive ide \( mfm \) boot scsi controller system guys 2 drives \( 1 ide , 1 scsi \) set ide cmos setup make sure boot , set scsi controller \( irq , dma , etc \) set scsi drive id 0 plug play cards seen far 2 drives need driver third drive question , email , try answer good luck ! william
ss uhura cc rochester edu \( \) subject cd 's sale nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york distribution usa lines 21 following cd 's 'd like sell gross misconduct metal giants \( early metal compilation including , mountain , blue oyster cult , priest , etc \) metal church blessings disguise \( excellent \) slayer hell among living power pain dream theater images words \( pull \) exodus fabulous disaster \( heavy \) death angel ultra violence \( hard find \) cd 's excellent condition \( scratches skips \) checking several similar articles , seems going rate 8 hence cd 's 8 00 postage paid please e mail interested , rarely read groups 'll ship asap receiving cash , check money order e mail snail mail address ss uhura cc rochester edu rochester , ny
perky acs bu edu \( melissa \) subject moon image weather sat image organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 14 originator perky acs bu edu i'm afraid able find gifs list updated weekly , perhaps , missing something \? \( \) \( \( \) \( \) \( \) \) \( \( \) \( \) melissa perky acs bu edu
reus klein dk \( peter reus christensen \) subject apology organization usr users mat reus organization lines 39 nntp posting host klein dk would like publicly apologize playing well sure feel necessary remorse another muslim lady \( \) seems attempt charm west forgetting really saying hate muslims hate certain things saying every depressing ponder prospects peace held people better , prejudices vices west thank views really depressing thus fallen temptation tease make little fun instead problems mobilize necessary remorse ! best regards peter reus christensen associate professor , dr phil department mathematics e mail reus math ku dk university copenhagen 5 phone 45 353 dk 2100 copenhagen fax 45 353 disclaimer except explicitly stated otherwise message signature authors purely private responsibility motto everyone given , abundance whoever , even taken matthew principle ch 25 v 29
elee9sf menudo menudo uh edu \( karl barrus \) subject wiretapping reality today organization university houston lines 27 1993apr22 news clarkson edu netcom com netcom com nntp posting host menudo uh edu reply strnlght netcom com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 20 48 36 gmt david sternlight writes little perspective might order cannot believe make claims given hard evidence abuse ignore stories martin luther king , blocked mind mccarthy 's crusade 50 's \? number court ordered wire taps pretty low many illegal wiretaps performed \? funny , 'll fbi n't keep statistics ! confidential illegal wiretap karl l barrus elee9sf menudo uh edu preferred address barrus tree egr uh edu \( nextmail \) karl l barrus elee9sf menudo uh edu preferred address barrus tree egr uh edu \( nextmail \)
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject joystick organization center instructional research computing activities lines 10 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu disk joystick code kind enough mail puked specifically , looking c code read position joystick without using int15h , e accessing port directly need c memory model considerations need able read x position also brian
timothy lamar colostate edu \( timothy \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? nntp posting host lamar acns colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 23 article 1993apr22 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) writes article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu , punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds wonder good hitter behind argument really valid anyone done study paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard \( 503 \) 750 3511 want study \? look matt williams year mitchell gone look scientific study , 'll show truth matt besides , bonds wants bat 5th tim want actual analysis batting order , look analysis baseball batting order monte carlo simulation freeze , journal operations research america , 22 , 1975
mje sni co uk \( mike \) subject caltech puff pd ftp \? rf tools \? organization 's home stray rf signals x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 16 hi , anyone know whether puff rf design package available via ftp site \? understand , public domain please correct i'm wrong one pd rf design tools recommended \? especially filter tools 73 's kellett siemens nixdorf information systems , bracknell sni co uk phone fax compuserve , standard disclaimers apply warranty void opened
smorris venus lerc nasa gov \( ron morris \) subject wings news playoff thoughts organization nasa lewis research center lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host venus lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 wrote feel jury still tim cheveldae playoff goalie average first playoffs last year , horrible start , played great last ten games benched gaa , even horrible start , 2 5 last year year , think 's going play well \( detroit going win cup \) n't sharp game 1 , n't thought looked pretty good yesterday charles writes great write wings toronto series thus far agree everything said , chevy n't let shot right point first goal , , think , wings looking good , chevy holding great , maybe chevy let 2 3 soft goals far , n't matter however , recent history play comes big counts score 4 0 think goal mentioned scored third period looked like toronto coming back , chevy exceptional see style playoff goalie 's nothing line , comes big really needed guess 'll find ron one major goals leave next president new set things worry i'm getting bored reading problems paper , decade decade want people deal new problems president bill clinton 2 4 93
eng sun com \( reddy \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization sun lines 53 nntp posting host article curie cs yale edu ahmed shakil cs yale edu \( shakil waiz ahmed \) writes article 1sueslinna6g minerva cis yale edu , jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims yeah ! 's ! \) 've really outdone time nick n't forget davidian muslims \) islam race 's religion white , black , fijian alaskan guess n't absorb much malcolm x interest circulating see , whole point islam stresses equality amongst peoples , realize difficult comprehend given staunch beliefs serbian ethnic cleansing , give try , 's really difficult white knight islam rides ! instant expert religion , race ethnicity door ! stand back let 's going single rescue islam dastardly mistakes , misquotes , misconceptions war religious war , ethnic war 's right , 's disneyland war setup tv cameras also people believe man never landed moon , whole apollo story done tv studios civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements terms secession \? , course , joking , right nick \? nobody chose fight bosnia croatia internationally recognized nations serbs attacked started well documented genocide makes outside aggressor 's simple genocide , classical example ethnic cleansing question civil war shakil occur thing bosnian serbs n't necessarily outsiders \? 're , could please little bit islamic pals sudan running south , kidnapping women children , essence , thing \? come n't hear wonderful 's happening \?
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject new study gay percentage organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 31 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes brandeis mean , many people actually care many people gay \( long know find avoid want \) \? n't n't care , much effort put promoting 10 lie \? important scare politicians obedience would n't worry much , though starting find politically homosexuals really colorado boycott , slick willie effectively prevented implementing military policy wrt homosexuals members party , new study casts large shadow doubt claims large numbers , coming saturday going wind tremendous egg face , submit , perhaps 35 , 000 queers show washington promising crowds millions ones look like act queer nation , guy working next 's really going play middle america pretty soon find retreating back closet belong views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
levin bbn com \( joel b levin \) subject rush read e mail \? lines 38 nntp posting host fred bbn com rsilvers nynexst com \( robert silvers \) writes send something rush linbaugh clinton taking away right privacy govt standard takes , people lots money \( drug dealers \) able justify des stuff slam clinton air 'll slam clinton anything air understand remains popular 'll take piece video clinton walking along find frame clinton nose , say freeze blow full screen rant five minutes one could possibly trust someone face greedy little eyes 've seen tv show \( around time \) anyone call stuff legitimate \( hate say informed \) commentary \? anyone half brain head 1 continue watch 2 \? american tv watching \( guess radio listening \) public never ceases amaze j 1 oops , inadvertently answered question \? 2 see run across every couple months channel surfing late night longest 've able stand 10 minutes \( apologies stripping alt fan rush groups newsgroups line software apparently rejects anything groups n't carry , n't carry also removed sci crypt followups \) nets levin bbn com sweetheart roses 's pots \( 617 \) 873 bureau morning wide eyed , stood faculties rooted floor j
mary uicsl csl uiuc edu \( mary e allison \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization center reliable high performance computing , university illinois urbana champaign lines 192 nntp posting host uicsl csl uiuc edu last words subject lundby rtsg mot com \( walter f lundby \) writes person sensitive msg whose wife kids , want know food industry wants put msg food ! ! ! people think flavor personally n't think helps taste , makes sick , try avoid dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) writes sez effect humans demonstrated controlled studies infant mice models useful far go , 're relevant matter hand say favor use things like baby food patently ridiculous use additive reason believe msg diet effects humans adversely well , know msg effects adversely maybe permanently least temporarily enough like try avoid stuff kiran village com \( kiran wagle \) writes n't like additives , , get net learn cook scratch sheesh excuse ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ca n't people learn cook scratch net 've gotten lots recipes net n't use additives like additives get net go local supermarket , buy lots packaged foods , get net ! ! cover fact recipes good food poor quality \? yes , buy says something taste , eh \? n't ! ! happens companies forced submit silly notions go business nobody wants buy overpriced bad food \? \( removing directly raises food costs reducing shelf life \) hey 'll pay hard earned dollars buy food costs choose speak many ways kiran village com \( kiran wagle \) good point msg commonly used soups , bottled sauces , seasoning , coating barbecue potato chips cheese , many frozen fried foods \( like fish chicken \) , etc ad msg really problem , call barbecue potato chip syndrome maybe diner syndrome natural syndrome 's years since 've bought anything labelled natural kiran village com \( kiran wagle \) reaction came time msg food difference restaurant ingredients ! ! ! know \? order demonstrate claim , would preparation occasions perhaps used msg times , lied perhaps used something begun spoil , produced bizarre 're allergic well , similar reactions many times really started watching carefully reaction hey guess 's reaction 's season salt guess 's 'll give hint 've enough problems many many many different products msg figured one thing unless plan getting sick wo n't eat stuff without ever learn read labels please note saying making , trying point situation always simple might seem started checking every time got sick every time got sick msg somehow involved one food products consider similar ingredients \( knowledge \) might please medical researcher pleased personal physician enough give allergy medicine importantly 's enough proof avoid \( enough proof incredibly fiance n't literally threw gave away food products msg always 's waste simple explanation wo n't eat stuff , cook stuff , either throw give away \) ucsu colorado edu \( donna \) guess spice mix fries contained msg , probably 's seasoning salt love way tastes i'm saying never consume anything msg 've noticed certain tolerance level like \( small \) bag bbq chips month problem bag chips bother also chicken yesterday lunch one chinese restaurants day kelley healthy uwaterloo ca \( catherine l kelley \) 's needed final step , double blind study done humans n't even ethical question possible harm , widely used approved food additive say 2 population problem msg say 's like 20 let 's say 's 5 many people would tested would problem \? also know problem , would n't volunteer test like thanks guys n't want get sick also i'm sure people probably varying degrees different times cold i'm much susceptible reaction i'm healthy \( proven today i'm silly reason still gave decided bbq chips \) kiran village com \( kiran wagle \) many \( generic rhetorical 'you , ' 'you \) go around calling chinese restaurant syndrome , thus suggesting people complain experience chinese food msg prevalent lot things chinese food thats suggested calling diner syndrome cathy n't n't saved postings never called chinese restaurant syndrome never stated got chinese food thought would easiest conduct personal test chinese take place knew would hold \( hold \) msg ca n't call whoever makes ask make one back chips without msg hand , one complains potatoes mix , restaurant spice mixes , i'm going believe , anyone says got \( msg \) sick eating many barbecue potato chips party , i'm really going believe well , believe mentioned earlier post let 's see wrote message date 20 apr 1993 00 09 31 0500 date 19 apr 1993 16 33 18 gmt wrote anyone msg reaction something chinese restaurant \? lots times 's hard pin would probably easier 'd reaction certain type restaurant 've reaction chinese restaurants greek restaurants italian restaurants steak places \( tell steak joint uses accent meat \) oh case anyone thinks i'm prejudice either chinese food asian people i'm going home cook chinese food guy i'm marrying next week incidentally , last name wu stop flame mail woman work ten years change man 's habits complain 's man married \? mary allison \( mary uicsl csl uiuc edu \) urbana , illinois
com \( jack powers \) subject ntsc horiz vert drive black burst \? summary need derive horizontal vertical drive black burst keywords video organization inc lines 8 would like hook cameras recently donated local community cable tv station sync inputs form horizontal vertical drive station sync black burst works fine boxes genlock style inputs anyone point design , article , whatever showing produce horizontal vertical drive signals \? thanks advance jack powers
steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) subject earth also pollutes summary dixie lee ray \? \? \? \? \? nntp posting host thor isc br com organization aging , improving , inc lines 24 article 1993apr21 titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) writes article dzvb3b6w164w cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) says fury mother nature man 's contribution environmental pollution paltry compared nature exceptional book trashing planet , former atomic energy commision chairman dr dixie lee ray notes based available data , atomic energy commision hmm , would say i'm defender , worth noting unfair tar organization decidedly minority scientific views former one term washington governor , dr dixie lee ray dr ray 's political agenda well known documented likewise , lack objectivity scientific data well known jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing data , sure cut uucp ! uunet ! isc br ! thor ! steveh bulls r hofferbert bell 509 838 8826
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject dc x publicity \? organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 17 article 1993may11 bmerh85 bnr ca bnr ca writes seems bit project first time years promisses hope changing current trend massively overpriced boosting capability , lacks much publicity may change next month least hope couple hundred journalists requested press passes test flights sustaining publicity however , problem allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 33 days first flight dcx
farenebt logic camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject selfish hockey fans organization clarkson university lines 35 nntp posting host logic clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 article 1993apr21 staff dccs upenn edu filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) writes tuesday , raining chicago , espn provided bonus hockey coverage seems though fans ticked ny wash ot replaced angels \? \? game people must realize baseball fans instead hockey fans u baseball game scheduled air advertisers money paid ca n't skip baseball game n't people chill enjoy whatever coverage get well , partly , ardent fan sports , would rather see game 3 nhl playoffs game 3 162 mlb season \( even bb game involves red sox \) espn may contractual obligations understand part 's bit inaccurate call us selfish want watch watch game love , baseball fan , selfish get pissed cbs showing approximately one game per month \? n't think , espn may contractual obligations , , consumers , right voice displeasure serving us 's certainly nothing wrong bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
pt \( \) subject x dos windows organization , portland oregon , us x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 22 i'm posting request since last one title i'm looking x server software dos windows 've already seen desqview x xvision would like aware solutions , namely public domain shareware implementations 'd also like know , commercial case , possible problems , incompatibilities , available window managers libraries , etc experiences area please let know c u ! \( e \) mario
mack uit \( tor berger \) subject 8th lines 306 organization university tromsoe invitation 8th 8th scandinavian conference image analysis arranged norwegian society image processing pattern recognition \( \) sponsored international association pattern recognition \( \) conference held tromsoe 25th 28th may 1993 tromsoe , located latitude 69 degrees n , northern norway 's centre administration education programme scientific programme runs four days includes 6 invited speakers , 29 sessions three parallel tracks 127 contributed papers 4 poster sessions 44 contributions conference covers following topics image processing analysis pattern recognition computer vision parallel algorithms architectures neural nets matching methods image compression remote sensing medical biological applications industrial applications conference language official language conference english invited talks speakers segmentation range images via data fusion morphological professor ralph gonzalez university tennessee , knoxville object recognition using range images professor k michigan state university experiments mobile robot navigation range imaging dr judd jones oak ridge national laboratory image compression professor tor university trondheim combining evidence dictionary based probabilistic relaxation professor j university surrey matching methods professor polytechnic university workshop connection conference , workshop contextual methods pattern recognition arranged monday 24th information concerning workshop contact , chairman , univ bergen , n 5000 bergen , norway phone 47 5 20 63 34 fax 47 5 20 63 60 e mail cc uib registration information registration fee 4000 nok fee covers proceedings , entrance oral poster sessions , exhibition , coffee breaks , get together party , reception banquet fees accompanying persons presented registration form payments must made payable norwegian \( nok \) swift bank giro service bank account 6420 05 , sas conference , bank og \( private accepted \) following credit cards visa , mastercard , , , access , american express please note payment swift bank giro service made abroad , please add banking fee nok 60 , please remember state 8scia name money transfers ! 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shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject hell organization shell oil lines 21 article may 9 05 38 07 1993 athos rutgers edu u0mrm csc liv ac uk \( r \) writes article may 5 02 51 25 1993 athos rutgers edu , shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) writes fear based religion faith relationship one made us mean anyone christian avoid hell n't really christian \? sounds like 's reason , 'd inclined doubt whether profess christianity relationship faith based upon trust fear trust generally incompatible motivation fear , room trust \? , 's room faith fear precludes trust , ca n't faith larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries concrete \? \) organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 17 please explain cement able maintain lower average temperature dirt sheesh hope david n't going upset sticking nose , goes \) n't average temperature key factor , rather better transferring heat \( presumably warmer ground temperature \) battery call question thermal conductivity , ability , thermal mass whatever like question concrete floor feel cooler surrounding dirt place hand \? bob myers kc0ew hewlett packard co opinions expressed systems technology div employer myers fc hp com fort collins , colorado sentient life form planet
jplee cymbal calpoly edu \( jason lee \) subject john franco organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 12 's john franco \? mets hardly using heard completely recovered , i'm sure anybody information franco , would appreciate could drop line jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu sf giants e pi 1 0 beautiful equation mathematics magic sad words tongue pen , saddest number might john greenleaf whittier 148
iisakkil beta hut fi \( mika iisakkila \) subject dx50 vs dx266 reply arnolm2 aix rpi edu 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 23 55 12 gmt nntp posting host beta hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 11 arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) writes chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 50 mhz external bus speed provides hell cache designs dx 50 boards slow caches make effectively dx2 50 also someone else pointed , local bus boards better 33 mhz bus speed 8k internal cache allows dx2 66 generally faster anyway segmented memory helps structure software
organization penn state university rfm psuvm psu edu subject sleep hospitals \( haldol elderly lines 14 article andrew cmu edu , say 've seen people forties fifties become disoriented demented hospital stays examples 've seen , drugs definitely involved speaking experience , one n't need drugs become disoriented hospital stays 5 days late jan general noise hours night , staff coming every time turned , whatever , check , n't get much sustained sleep night spent days , perspective tired ! bobm let 's reinvent hospital organization !
world std com \( richard pierce \) subject pink noise organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution sci electronics lines 34 article juts ccc amdahl com amdahl com \( david sharpe \) writes pink noise white noise equal amounts frequencies cases around 20 3 3k hz range pink white used adjust room dynamics stuff like eq 's market pink noise built audio control know c 101 wrong , wrong , completely wrong \( little misleading , \) white noise random noise whose energy density constant constant bandwidth , 5 hz wide band 20 hz precisely amount energy 5 hz band 20 khz pink noise random noise whose energy density constant constant bandwidth thus , 5 wide band noise 20 hz \( whose bandwidth 1 hz \) contain energy 5 wide band 20 khz \( whose bandwidth 1000 hz wide \) white noise often used spectrum constant , pink noise used audio type real time whose frequency dependent \( often described 1 3 octave 1 2 octave terminology \) white noise , relative pink noise , energy high frequencies \( rate equal 3 db per octave \) pink noise , relative white noise , energy low frequencies \( rate , , 3 db octave \) dick pierce loudspeaker software consulting 17 street , \( 508 \) 433 9183 \( voice fax \)
cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! reply cmort ncoast org \( christopher morton \) organization north coast public access nix , cleveland , oh lines 45 quoted nate psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) people wrong first place \? ca n't figure assembled frightening arsenal weapons circumventing laws intended prevent buildup later used weapons kill representatives federal government i'm sure frightened saw batf officers closing , retrospect ca n't see subsequent could expected improve situation laws circumvent \? frightening n't crime people afraid young black males n't make mere status young black male crime batf admitted leading throwing evidence properly identified law enforcement personnel circumstances , persons found acting within legal rights exercise self defense unidentified armed intruders point place little credibility charges child abuse molestation , would remind branch davidians n't ones burying dead charges anyway , since batf absolutely jurisdiction matters anyway course n't stopped making spurious charges , existence mythical meth labs course whole cult thing indicates level contempt 1st amendment sure crazy , , wrong \? attempted stage armed resistance federal authorities conditions placed dozens unarmed innocent people line fire armed resistance , least initially , may well legal 're like bunch educated , new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva
eos ncsu edu \( susan hodapp \) subject sale scooter originator 106ps eos ncsu edu reply eos ncsu edu \( susan hodapp \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 24 sale red honda scooter \( \) need c license max speed 63 mph gas mileage 74 mpg max wt 250 lbs reading 3000 miles factory 3 years low mileage original owner paperwork available thorough tune ups quarterly year 1986 body scratch , garaged covered always cover 2 helmets included good student light commuter fun \) 1300 best offer e mail call evenings susan hodapp \( 919 \) 833 live north carolina \( raleigh \) moving indiana may 15th , could drop somewhere inbetween
jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation distribution usa lines 68 article sundaram msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu \( divya sundaram \) writes jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes much bs deleted brevity , point microsofties sell readers products \( would conflict ads philosophy usenet \) necessarily access info others certainly smacks ! remember poll quoted saying seen 95 users satisfied dos 6 0 \? 93 94 , actually another msdos team member posted note people msdos team would necessarily know , care recall unbiased sample set \? heard numbers wondered got \( worked product support knowing typical support caller little positive say product , figured n't \) wandered marketing folks asked told survey registered users posted net people asked 93 figure came post sure looked like fud coming microsoftie well , sure seemed like something level hmm figured , chuck posted numbers , include came \? \( also find interesting info fear , uncertainty doubt \) advocacy good spreading fud advocate favorite os unethical especially vested interest success os \? \? \? \? think 've got confused someone else n't pretend msdos provides people need , oses \( including unix os 2 \) n't provide useful necessary features also n't push people use msdos even posted comp os msdos misc suggest waiting installing new os , esp trouble \( support always overloaded release , unless sales total bomb \) also get tired people assuming microsofties , like , members borg actions seem invite opinion never seen defensive people life ai n't saying us n't get defensive sometimes really think msdos gets respect within microsoft outside \? mean n't cut dough cookie cutter n't think alike yeah , inside info msdos n't mean everyone else \) seriously speaking , shame ms techie employees get heat ms 's actions perpetrated management marketing sure talented etc doubts abilities , ethics marketing practices jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 8 article da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) writes minor quibble assualt \( one \) began near dawn fire break several hours minor quibble back general area koresh compound tell air quite chilly morning , especially high winds blowing \( course swiss cheese walls made even worse \)
cd amdahl com \( nicholas pang \) subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) distribution usa organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 28 article andrew cmu edu , am2o andrew cmu edu \( alexander samuel mcdiarmid \) writes essentially answer yes least 600x400 configuration get adaptor called mac vga q james engineering \( 510 \) 525 7350 let display 600x400 800x600 monitor capable think 800x600 requires horizontal sync use sony 1604 \( gives slightly wider screen 832x624 adaptor using nec 4fg centris 610 cable adapter provided nec \( call get free adapter \) also sharing 486 \( using switch box extra cables \) questions tell 600x400 800x600 displayed \? change mode \( resolution \) \? sw something hw \? assuming getting 800x600 since 1m vram 4fg display \( \? \) 486 nicholas pang cd amdahl com amdahl corporation outs ccc amdahl com
wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) subject mlb c nntp posting host swarthmore edu organization hi , i'm matt , i'm boston red sox fan distribution usa lines 30 article cvbnetprime com , prime com \( sorry missed posting \) wrote could kind soul please email copy mlb c thanks chris v prime com mlb c archived internet baseball archive ftp cc swarthmore edu \( 130 58 67 44 \) must use full email username id password cd baseball schedules 's filed mlb schedule program c clarity schedules pre generated east coast times text files well , couple tv schedules please send tv info teams matt matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey , gotta job , ok \? april 6 , 1993 boston red sox seize first place
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization sgi lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes n't seem right want kill , decide \? sounds though confused want think morally right jon mean \? would idea still apply said think ok kill decided \? mean said want automatically translate think right , translate way reply think ok kill decided means want translate think right n't translate way jon
adaptive cs nps navy mil \( zyda res acct \) subject human head modeling software organization naval postgraduate school , monterey lines 36 article taurus cs nps navy mil adaptive cs nps navy mil \( zyda res acct \) writes hi , ! interested facial animation want implement program area n't 3 information face looking 3d images face try getting cyberware demo via ftp contains 3d images face copyright status data \? restrictions regarding uses put \? kaveh kaveh kardan kardank ere umontreal ca kaveh , data included cyberware demo non proprietary , use like ask give us credit use research paper project send us results thanks , geo cyberware george cyberware labs dabro taurus cs nps navy mil
peng physik uni ulm de \( peng \) subject sw convert plot ascii file keywords plot ascii organization uni ulm physik lines 2 looking software reads plot pcx format converts x , coordinate
madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) subject thoughts organization society putting things top things lines 23 healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes tammy see , maddi , trimmed ! healy well , 're going practice , 're getting hang soon 're going give new nickname try size tammy lucky seven healy tammy pass healy tammy r us healy tammy learning healy maddi never useful post hausmann maddi hausmann madhaus netcom com centigram communications corp san jose california 408 428 3553 kids , please n't try home remember , post professionally
kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) subject potvin stick organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 30 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu article 9 0 sscl uwo ca sscl uwo ca writes article msuinfo cl msu edu egr msu edu \( terminator \) writes egr msu edu \( terminator \) felix potvin deserves sh kicked anyone hitting stick , defensemen ca n't seem move big dino \( 180 lbs \) front net obviously toronto realized wings must rely trying superior red wings cheap shots prefer watch hockey seeing shots felix potvin slashing spearing dino standing front net every right stand front net , crease ! yes , , goalie sure hell n't want ! played roller hockey \( boy miss days \) goalie , would scream defense clear guys slot n't care 's crease , get hell away see ball ! \( yes , roller hockey , remember \) nobody around clear slot , 'd pushing offending player hard hate people way i'm goalie , sure felix say n't see incident , potvin really swung stick big time , 's right , move people way 's player ice , know \) keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! corner let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! weighing almost every weight imaginable life , surrounds blues traveler , 1993
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject stan fischler , 4 24 organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 32 1993apr25 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes wayne made bed choosing mcnall sather hockey destiny sleep instead whining ego got absolute nonsense decision made pocklington 's chose 20 mill gretzky gretzky n't upset able win cup la submit n't worth 20 mill best thought supporting cast edmonton n't matter show know thinks \( thought \) \? thought see revealed n't like gretzky big deal , complaint lemieux dives much last year patrick convinced twice accept bowman hockey destiny , rather ego real purpose diving merely attempt draw penalty player trying make checkers keep distance ref wo n't fooled ca n't imagine anyone would expect someone like lemieux change game n't pick 1 dimensional rated type like hull salami cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
irwin cmptrc lonestar org \( irwin arnstein \) subject dod confessional organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 23 article 1993apr21 551 bnr ca mbeaving bnr ca writes ca n't help 've tried rational , look way , everytime happens , hate motorcycles crud deleted beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking ! missing lot neat old rides tuba \( irwin \) honk therefore computrac richardson , tx irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod 0826 \( r75 6 \)
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization university illinois urbana lines 20 guess i'm delving religious language area exactly morality morals \? never thought eating meat moral immoral , think could differentiate something personal choice preference something see immoral \? fall basis morals \? also , consensus positions fall might makes right , brought , whatever right societally mandated whoever control time makes right mc mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
farrow ucsu colorado edu \( j scott farrow \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows nntp posting host fido colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 39 mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes markw pspmf3 gpsemi com \( mark wilkinson ext 3443 \) writes performance suck lemons running xserver clone \( experience \) would much better xterminal new install performance least four times better addition would much easier install use top cost \( price clone 4mb ram , ethernet card , high performance graphics card , good monitor , server software , tcp ip clone software , mouse , keyboard , etc , etc , etc spend whole lot \) get 15 tektronix xp11 terminals 900 , performance 80000 xstones mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp think performance depend upon x server i'm running linux xfree86 33mhz 486dx 4mb ram \( 8mb swap \) runs fine lot better crappy old xterminals labs school anyway could probably outfit 386sx minimal linux x setup 900 better xterminal imho scott j scott farrow student sysadmin programmer , university colorado computing network services , boulder , colorado , usa , phone \( 303 \) 492 internet farrow spot colorado edu linux users free
amdahl com \( david sharpe \) subject pink noise distribution sci electronics organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 6 pink noise white noise equal amounts frequencies cases around 20 3 3k hz range pink white used adjust room dynamics stuff like eq 's market pink noise built audio control know c 101
brandon launchpad unc edu \( brandon \) subject company info graphics software keywords software , company nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 19 within next several months 'll looking job computer graphics software i'm need info graphics software companies 've checked faq , resource list , siggraph org , n't found anything last computer graphics career handbook i'm aware , published 1991 list 40 companies , tremendously specific information people please steer towards current depth informational resources \? thanks 'll post summary 's interest brandon opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject vitamin hearing loss lines 24 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine distribution sci article 1993apr30 banana fedex com , claude banana fedex com \( claude bowie \) writes heard news report indicating research showing improved hearing people taking vitamin research showed new growth replaced damaged nerves anyone heard \? claude , 've heard read anything would suggest vitamin \( retinol \) could reverse hearing loss due nerve damage \( usually caused high sound levels , also occassionally due severe infection \) types cells vitamin general cells cell types ones function ear hearing process hair cell nerve like cells ear may respond vitamin cellular \( \) n't know still capable responding adults capable responding new hair growth , would major breakthrough hearing loss medical interest vitamin , would surprising clinical study done using vitamin reverse hearing loss news announcement go \( type communication notoriously bad \) , ca n't comment question anymore already one study done , need follow firm link vitamin hearing loss really one marty b
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject happy birthday israel ! organization university illinois urbana lines 11 article 1993apr27 011549 7010 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid reza mohammadi daniali writes hamid anybody information number people hamid killed israel 44 happy year \? sure number israelis killed defending israel little 17 , 000 last 45 years 61 , 000 injured must try make mockery everything , n't \? pathetic ed
khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) subject long term space voyanges effect newsgroup \? keywords mars lunar missions organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 42 nntp posting host hsc usc edu article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes response michael adams post vote later sci space medicine similar newsgroup fro discussion long term missions space affects humans adams bother new newsgroup \? want discuss subject , start discussing enough traffic annoy rest us , let know time new newsgroup well , goes first item business establish importance space life sciences whole scheme humankind mean compared football baseball , average joe schmoe n't seem interested even curious spaceflight think forum make major change lack insight education us , way , contribute comprehensive document released general public around world document would scientifically analyze technical aspects long term human habitation space believe long term space exploration program succeed need basically learn engineer \( e spacecraft \) careful analyses engineering , chemical , biological , medical factors good created facilitate human life long duration flight , would like see posts opinions regarding objective methods analyze accepted scientific literature technologies applied long duration spaceflight detailed literature search would interest space advocates clearly important existing space programs essence , would dividing space life science issues various technical problems could solved various technologies database acceptable solutions various problems could form basis detailed discussions involving people , isunet , source ! i'm eager hear comments see posts thread
thor e kth se subject looking z80 sti \( \) nntp posting host elin e kth se reply thor e kth se organization kth , royal institute technology , school electrical engineering lines 27 hi , looking integrated circuits z80 based computer circuit called z80 sti \( serial timer interrupt \) , , made called sgs thompson today contact sgs thompson , unfortunately told z80 sti obsolete , question anyone know get hold circuits companies specialize selling circuits longer production \? contacted several electronic brokers sweden , without success would appreciate could give hint continue looking even companies united states would fine , since circuit pretty crucial thanks advance thomas thor royal institute technology stockholm , sweden
tedr athena cs uga edu \( ted kalivoda \) subject incarnation two minds christ organization university georgia , athens lines 48 nabil wrote 5 families agree wills acts always one hypostasis logos incarnate nabil , posit two minds christ , mind logos mind human jesus , must admit two wills mind mind without know dealt past church , philosophical problem examined v morris argued incarnation seen like \( mind logos \) \( \) \( \( \) \) , mind jesus god \( \( human \) \) son god son complete access human \( \( mind \) \) mind human mind access mind \( \( \) \) god son son allows access \( \( \) \) explains jesus said even know \( \) time kingdom human acted accordance divine according free human decision human would decided differently intended divine would , never case employs interesting analogies support one person two mind theory ideas completely healthy version split personality field psychology , intriguing ideas dream , seeing acting , knowing , also omniscient one hypostasis would unity two minds agreed still waiting morris others respond problem two minds making two persons christian analytic philosophers breaking new ground rationality theism incarnation ted kalivoda \( tedr athena cs uga edu \) university georgia , athens institute higher ed note person used sense english connect person personality things human attributes i'm entirely sure whether 'd want apply personality god , appropriate , think 'd say christ two personalities clh
r1328 vmcms csuohio edu subject gun buy back organization csu lines 161 thu , 22 apr 1993 17 37 34 gmt , r1328 vmcms csuohio edu wrote firearms fifth leading cause unintentional deaths among children ages 14 rkba archive , rkba total firearm deaths children \( 1 14 \) 587 \( 1988 \) one smallest causes deaths children cars , falls , burns , drowning , food ingestion much larger cause deaths \( 7 , 988 \) , firearms 6th leading cause , drowning choking food \( least 1988 \) sorry charles according national safety council , accident facts , 1991 1990 , gun accidents fifth leading cause accidental death children ages 14 n't understand ratio accidental deaths important guns n't kill many children car accidents difference severity 1 , 000 deaths 10 , 000 deaths \? difference rational person would address leading cause first , address lesser causes later thinking screwed , n't even know respond rational person would concentrate motor vehicle deaths , attempt affect childhood falls , , gunshot injuries , etc \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? called rational person , \( using definition \) , attempting affect leading causes deaths adults aged 25 64 would worry cancer , would try decrease lesser causes heart disease , injuries , stroke , suicide , liver disease , chronic lung disease , homicide , hiv infection , diabetes oh , okay charles , makes lot sense tell charles , 'll call heart foundation suicide tell acting rational go home addressing lesser causes death call local police homicide department , liver foundation diabetes foundation tell stop addressing lesser causes please , quit wasting time silly shit charles 've got idea charles , n't start talk politics group talk politics fall group \? talk politics guns n't confuse issue social problem may claim many victims another , try address \? n't agree i'm posting p g debate supposed severity causes childhood deaths really getting sick respond irrational statements people assume someone wants discuss youth gun violence unintentional youth gun deaths trying make political issue assumed humane person would concerned 10 year old got hold parents gun bedroom drawer accidently blew away one friends humane person keeps firearm house 10 year old would also teach child safely handle firearm ignorance greatest enemy charles , tend confuse issue take things context purposes statement responded actually reference previous post another person , like , expressed concern making youth gun violence priority guess , maybe humane person rational person could interchangeable huh \? would defined person addresses social problem causes greatest number childhood deaths case , i'm extremely glad inhumane irrational well joe , suggest talk center prevent handgun violence sources information confirms data \? folks well known misrepresenting facts perhaps verify data uniform crime report sorry charles , fbi uniform crime report well known misrepresenting facts insist , according 1990 ucr , firearm murders youngsters 19 increased 125 percent 1984 1990 national center health statistics good enough \? state every day , 12 american children ages 19 killed gun accidents , suicides , homicides many wounded national pediatric trauma registry \? say gunshot wounds children ages 16 nearly doubled major urban areas 1987 1990 also doubt american academy pediatrics charles \? \? \? state gunshot wounds among children urban areas increased 300 1986 1988 charles , hope n't need convinced youth increasingly victims gun injuries easy access guns n't realize fact , \( n't care go cdc fbi data , go homes , schools , streets kids take poll \) , i'm going bother try convince obvious ruled idea discussing issue sane fashion focused trying make gun control political discussion really n't want centers disease control firearm statistics \? firearms disease \? charles , 's obvious know nothing cdc n't study cancer heart disease 've got news , interpersonal gun violence epidemic 1984 , surgeon general c everett declared gun violence much public health problem cancer , heart disease , auto accidents greatly underestimate presence guns lives youths lives youths schools \? know number youths firearms present lives quite appropriate teach children safely handle firearms \( presence , right \? \) trying say \? innuendo reminds listening bill clinton f k said anything teaching children safely handle firearm charles \? \? \? future , going post p g jump previous discussion , please read entire posting , 1 sentence decide respond hell saying \? \? \? 're wasting time space trying make political gun control issue discussion n't cphv reports 135 , 000 youth bring guns school daily 400 , 000 bring guns school least year would n't trust statistics without independent verification cdc estimates 1 0f 25 high school students carried gun school least 1990 based cphv statistics \? based ucr \? based \? cdc also says 1 2 million elementary aged , latch key children \( kids come home school empty house \) , access guns home therefore \? purpose claim \? charles buddy , i'm getting really tired live planet mars \? \? \? physicist , realize probably n't come contact many youth , really think need make trip local urban high school discover joy guns schools addition spend minutes talking kids ask ever heard gunshots neighborhoods , whether know anyone shot , whether know anyone gun , whether ever held gun , whether ever shot believe charles , independent verification rodney w thomas r1328 vmcms csuohio edu urban child research center cleveland state university cleveland , oh
wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) subject frank bolick nntp posting host swarthmore edu organization hi , i'm matt , i'm boston red sox fan distribution usa lines 41 article hydra gatech edu , gt0523e prism gatech edu \( michael andre mule \) wrote article lynx unm edu kbos carina unm edu \( k mitchell bose \) writes article 3f zippy telcom arizona edu r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu \( doug roberts \) writes doug roberts willing trade frank bolick bag used baseballs ! let 's go expos ! one fun note rockies home opener think frank bolick 's nickname , whenever saw name denver expo series , big e5 next spirit chris berman , frank bolick ho ho ha ha , frank bolick frank cake icing bolick frank 's cow bolick frank get ribbon stay birthday present bolick frank burns bolick frank lee bad player bolick frank suck , bolick matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey , gotta job , ok \? april 6 , 1993 boston red sox seize first place
selway umt edu \( philip j bowman \) subject strain gage applications vivo organization university montana lines 36 article 1993apr28 organpipe uug arizona edu ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu \( terrance j dishongh \) writes greeting starting work project trying make strain gages bond bone vivo period several months currently using back gages , tried bonding gages bone apart two application methods n't seem much else literature engineering background medical biological would interest ideas bone growth surface cortical bone thanks help advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu sounds though might want try product super glue active ingredient , compound used reconstruct bones successfully used number procedures many different species animal simply trying something bone several months , would ideal bonds almost , resistant infection , non irritating surrounding tissue phil bowman , manager lab animal resources university montana , mt selway umt edu wg phil bowman , manager laboratory animal resources
jon c r bennett jb7m andrew cmu edu subject ideas clipper organization robotics institute , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 71 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply mycroft rand org jim gillogly jim mycroft rand org writes article andrew cmu edu write suppose knew algorithm worked knew n chip , know f , cryptanalysis might able determine f law enforcement field e e k u n f knowing n would might make much harder 're betting ca n't , even know n even know e , fact , 're trying keep secret find e grinding chip , presumably find f well ca n't right des , even knowing encryption method without almost whole 56 bit search true , chosen plaintext attacks des keys determined without full search suppose know f , \( either legitimately \) , know k \( either involved conversation , know u party conversation \) , may able determine u party , 're betting ca n't find u given k e claim encryption strong \( trust us \) willing take bet know f also defeat law enforcement field , since could make , different k one using knowing f also allows traffic analysis performed might know saying could know saying i'm sure 'll way shove arbitrary key data chip , , part 's ok \( 're assuming e unknown \) obviously shove arbitrary data chip key , stated key exchange external chip , pick keys admit someone trying compute u lots messages work , since way knowing key generation method \( deliberately \? \) generate weak keys , matter published method fact used , perhaps u 's chosen know weak keys system assume wo n't able find u matter many messages could break u , would n't need key escrow bing bing bing bing bing , exactly point , since cant know capability , safe assumption admit cryptographic complaints probably unfounded , since cant know one way , im take word obviously compromise f would disaster , law enforcement whole thing designed , people believe giving security f one number , sure alot people \( 1 \) know \( panel experts going check flaws many know f , forget grinding chips , bribery blackmail work fine 's clear experts told f fact , 'd surprised 'd expect something form fips pub describing des , could look algorithm general , rather specific set keys chosen oh come , thats like saying could evaluate des without box constants jon
terry walter outlan ersys edmonton ab ca \( terry walter \) subject vesa reply terry walter outlan ersys edmonton ab ca \( terry walter \) distribution world organization bbs lines 9 looking vesa local bus card control ide drives , floppies , game port , parallel port , serial ports serial ports must sockets uarts non chipset generic boards message posted outlan ersys edmonton ab ca 403 478 hst v 32bis try , 'll like !
spl ivem ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject rgb hvs , back organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host ivem ucsd edu article caspian usc edu zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) writes see foley , van dam , feiner , hughes , computer graphics principles practice , second edition people would read book , 75 percent questions would disappear overnight really think less 10 nah figure people would busy reading would n't time post \) \) \) spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 meet , , upper hell , foaming immortal blood farewell j , professor 's song
sac saic com \( steve conroy \) subject football vs baseball \( game length \) organization saic lines 54 article 1993apr22 uucp , com \( chris allen \) writes article ast saic com , sac saic com \( steve conroy \) writes major league baseball trying expand appeal people shorter attention spans \( e football crowd \) \( invariably , arguments people n't like watch baseball v say thing games long boring baseball trying find way shorten games wider v appeal look , though , baseball games last around amount time football games difference action duration football games perhaps action baseball games , would get fans tune anyway , coming solution make baseball appealing bigger crowd going difficult soapbox yet another reason get since 's obvious ruling baseball works fast snail race nebraska soapbox say action football baseball football game consists approximately 120 plays average duration play around 8 seconds means game lasts approximately 3 hours 16 minute action baseball game upwards two hundred pitches field strategy field sessions \( ie \) always chance win last made ah , illusion football always lots action sense urgency game clock \( time , happens 's less 5 minutes go quite often \) sense creates drama , even may necessarily holds viewer 's attention baseball , 3 players involved action \( comes wild guess \) 70 time \? 're playing sophisticated game catch hold ball step box adjust chains touch self interesting locations 's lot dead time players warming innings manager visiting pitcher mound manager removing pitcher bringing relief pitcher takes \( 8 \? 10 \? \) pitches helen dell playing organ \( dodger fans appreciate one \) non baseball boring rate , i'm putting baseball 've avid fan since remember 's watching baseball game v home tedious non baseball 's major league baseball networks trying address talk shortening game 's v football action baseball steve conroy conroy terminus saic com i'm gone , man solid gone ! science applications international corporation
orion spd louisville edu \( rick \) subject need help mit magic cookie nntp posting host orion spd louisville edu organization university louisville lines 39 i'm trying turn using mit magic cookie servers \( cpu heads , xterminals \) , i'm running couple problems first , least one applications \( maple \) n't seem understand deliver magic cookie , wo n't run display authorization turned second , people client software remote machines , really n't want hassle copy xauthority file remote machine assuming clients support , would like turn mit magic cookie default , non privileged users able turn dropping back host based authorization \( yes , know turn changing xconfig file heads client authorize setting xterminals , non privileged users ca n't \) 've checked hp support line , n't appear way anyone confirm , know way accomplish want \? btw , i'm running hpux 9 0 , vue 3 0 thanks advance , rick rick electrical engineering department , speed scientific school university louisville , louisville , ky \( 502 \) 588 7020 internet starbase spd louisville edu disclaimer i'm stand comedian anyone takes seriously , i'm something wrong !
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject divorce reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 28 article may 9 05 42 10 1993 athos rutgers edu leland stanford edu \( david shao \) writes article may 7 01 10 03 1993 athos rutgers edu crs carson u washington edu \( cliff slaughterbeck \) writes along way , married , happily , wonderful supportive husband gave birth two sons still , everything perfect jane , since could never open deepest part soul husband one interesting things jane said whole discussion homosexuality goes bedroom found much able deep , committed relationship woman man sex , mind , part whole relationship sounds like problem problem opening husband lesbian \? , couple supposed open n't feel comfortable opening husband gets divorce comes conclusion lesbian anyone gets make sure would feel comfortable open deepest part soul husband sex , mind , part whole relationship think diffrent man might problem christ 's love , bryan
dale access digex com \( dale farmer \) subject raid justification blast next time organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 34 nntp posting host access digex net x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 rick bressler \( bressler iftccu ca boeing com \) wrote forgot leave quote source happened waco fault batf would proper equipment personal could captured compound initial assault none would happened batf part dept treasury , justice needed assault place could like irs call federal marshalls service , collection teams similar type assaults time , good , tactical legal parts suspect marshalls would touched , search warrant \( still sealed believe \) bogus besides batf also could swat teams federal marshalls service fbi secret service national park service texas rangers nearby large city police forces military use guys , nobody elses swat team good enough holy cause gun control also find timing raid extremely interesting initial raid two days nj senate going overturn assault weapon confiscation law couple weeks batf 's budget going come congress review shortly reno got confirmed ag \( n't need remind anti gun line \) right around presidents day office wise man said , twice coincidence , three times enemy action n't believe four things \? food thought dale farmer
pts seas smu edu \( paul thompson schreiber \) subject enemy within nntp posting host seas smu edu organization school engineering applied science u dallas , tx lines 692 enemy within robert friedman village voice , may 11 , 1993 , vol 19 anti defamation league turned notion human rights head , spying progress ives information law enforcement roy bullock wanted spy since teenager indiana read led three lives , herbert philbrick 's cold war saga communist party fbi philbrick become american folk hero 1950s building unsuspecting colleagues time hollywood produced 30 films quintessential american patriot boston , philbrick led three lives fbi informant , communist party member , private citizen , mayor even proclaimed herbert philbrick day presented spy plaque bullock , shy young man coming terms homosexuality straight arrow , life double agent perfect way hide lifestyle fighting communist menace fascinated herbert philbrick , bullock recently told federal investigators , thought would try infiltrate communist part 1957 , went sixth world youth student festival moscow american delegation gave fbi full report returned , along photos took soviet military vehicles bullock hooked next two years , worked unpaid informant fbi found true calling became paid spy anti defamation league 1960 activities center biggest domestic spy scandal recent american history scandal may end adl 's criminal indictment san francisco 30 year period , compiled computer files adl individuals 950 groups political stripes , including naacp , rainbow coalition , aclu , american indian movement , center investigative reporting , , act , palestinian arab groups , solidarity groups , americans peace , anti apartheid organizations bullock , even spied recently slain south african nationalist chris hani visited bay area april 1991 , sold many adl files anti apartheid activists south african intelligence meanwhile , 1985 1993 , adl paid nearly 170 , 000 , using prominent beverly hills attorney conduit order conceal financial relationship bullock last month , police raided adl offices los angeles san francisco , well bullock 's home , confiscating computer files boxes documents according court records , bullock 's files contained driver 's license vehicle registration information , addition criminal histories individuals much allegedly stolen fbi police computers bullock , 58 , told fbi copies virtually everything computer data base given san francisco adl office based evidence , says inspector ron roth , police affidavit , believe roy bullock adl numerous peace officers supplying confidential criminal dmv information 's , san francisco investigating bullock tapping phones , accessing answering machines , assuming false identities infiltrate organizations documents seized bullock 's home also contained evidence bay area trash cans names phone numbers employees christic institute san francisco , well telephone message slips staff members \( including names phone numbers callers \) , office correspondence listing names return addresses senders , inter office memos also receipts christic institute 's bank accounts wells federal savings , well canceled checks names , dates , amounts bullock even knew balance christic institute 's checking account investigations fbi police san francisco revealed adl shared least spy gathering material israeli government officials 's , israel apparently used tips adl palestinian americans travelled adl established new york city 1913 defend jews , later minority groups , discrimination led fight racist fascist groups like ku klux klan american nazi party , 1960s civil rights movement also darker side late 1940s , adl spied leftists communists , shared investigative files house committee un american activities fbi adl swung sharply right reagan administration , becoming irwin suall , repentant heads adl 's powerful fact finding department , real danger jews posed right coalition leftists , blacks , arabs , view threaten fabric democracy america , well state israel tradition ideological william casey , suall directed adl 's vast network informants , given code names like scumbag , , spy reportedly posing priest atlanta flipper years , journalists liberal members jewish community knew adl spied right wing hate groups long targets anti semitic organizations like liberty lobby lyndon larouche , one seemed particularly troubled bullock case reveals adl also spied groups , progressive orientation apparent massive violation civil liberties may end adl 's criminal indictment san francisco , investigation began human rights group faces possible criminal prosecution many 48 felony counts , including indictment gaining illegal access police computers says one source close west coast investigation , 99 per cent certain adl indicted wake san francisco investigation , police probes adl spying spreading parts country received numerous complaints adl spying , says sam adams , spokesperson mayor 's office portland , oregon april 16 , harlem based black united fund new york , african american self help group bullock allegedly spied , wrote district attorney robert , requesting immediate investigation adl adl 's actions cause great concern , direct violation minimum civil rights call upon join district attorney san francisco bring end latest form gerald , spokesperson 's office , says , evidence us warrants sort investigation adds offered assist fbi san francisco 's office pending investigation , far , asked assistance adl acknowledges sharing information violence prone groups law enforcement officials also admits maintaining extensive files wide variety organizations , says , two page press release , vast majority adl 's files composed news clips , magazine articles , books , journals , documents adl made clear countenance violations law part anyone connected agency , process league gathers information presently review insure laws violated 's adl says public consumption morale low employees complain nights crying fits even jewish groups circle wagons around adl show solidarity , many holding noses jewish officials privately say adl decide whether human rights group secret police agency adl regarded inside jewish community outside jewish community definitive source information anti semitism extremist groups , says daniel , former executive director center democratic renewal , atlanta based group monitors anti semitism , racism , hate groups one things scandal done completely tainted adl 's credibility reputation regard objectivity scandal going devastating blow jewish community large people regard adl synonymous american jewry bullock 's talents snoop extreme meshed well adl 's cold war worldview 1960 , moved southern california became adl spy 75 00 week bullock almost always used real name snooping , although called elmer fink corresponding supporters alabama governor george wallace bullock provided adl 's office los angeles written reports , transmitted fact finding department head irwin suall , according court records suall 's , fact finding department become adl 's heart soul located adl national headquarters across united nations , department assembled vast library hate groups , material publications , speeches , informants reports bullock adept leading double life long moving california , woman john society helped gain access group 's boston office , found file right wingers keeping adl discovery gave rise speculation adl new york office somehow penetrated bullock focused almost exclusively right wing extremist groups early 1970s adl l head milton sinn replaced harvey , encouraged target left well years later , bullock moved castro district san francisco posed art dealer adl fact finder infiltrated local arab community exposed ensuing scandal died , bullock ordered adl penetrate arabs adl especially concerned american arab anti discrimination committee , founded former south dakota senator james combat arab bashing page cia 's dirty tricks handbook penetration destabilization , bullock joined adc , recruited nazis group , apparently trying discredit , according published reports 1987 , adl sent bullock attend national association arab americans annual congress washington according court documents , bullock told find source group 's funds bullock unable follow money good job appointed head delegation visited congress member nancy 's surprising adl penetrated arab organizations acute paranoia explains interest groups like act far bullock concerned , gay groups san francisco heavily infiltrated called gay left revolutionaries , prompting write activities adl bullock soon expanded horizons , moving shadowy realm foreign espionage richard , head adl 's san francisco office , introduced thomas gerard 1986 gerard detective san francisco police department 's intelligence unit gerard worked expert cia el early 1980s , apparently passing interest right wing death squads \( police searching gerard 's briefcase found extensive cia literature torture interrogation , photos blindfolded chained men , well passports made gerard 10 different names , including thomas remote jungle island philippines fled last november , gerard told los angeles times blow lid cia 's involvement latin american death squads indicted adl spy case \) first encounter adl office , gerard bullock lunch mcdonald 's , liked tom right , bullock later told san francisco police investigator whose report interrogation obtained voice tom charming , character , great deal integrity let say , consider tom gerard one finest policemen 've ever worked , absolutely honest , capable , intelligent 100 percent american long , bullock providing gerard confidential adl reports various groups individuals turn , gerard gave bullock classified police intelligence files local arab americans , , others bullock told fbi gerard 's material ended adl reports would say 99 percent data got name , address , sometimes physical description criminal history , rarely , bullock told investigators gerard also gave bullock chart outlined vast network bay area arab american businessmen organizations allegedly ties middle east terror groups , well surveillance photos arab americans receiving weapons training overseas bullock claims u customs new york gave gerard photos understood bullock would careful information gerard gave , bullock would release except adl law enforcement officers , says fbi report nothing unusual bullock 's cozy relationship law enforcement mid 1980s , adl swapping files hundreds official friends , organization 's euphemism u law enforcement intelligence sources adl 's relationship fbi 's office close adl 's reports arab american group 's covert ties middle east terrorists must reading 's accident police found 1986 classified fbi report entitled popular front liberation palestine \( \) new york area searching adl 's san francisco office 1987 , adl spooks investigated seven palestinians studying california universities student adl discovered literature , informed fbi , turn took case immigration service ins ordered students deported , adl regional director david lehrer los angeles times office 's cooperation law enforcement , although 's los angeles 8 deportation still appeal adl worked quietly america 's top cops , enjoyed similar ties israel 's spy agencies charge adl leaders vehemently deny early july 7 , 1961 , adl director benjamin epstein wrote executive secretary saul , requesting 25 , 000 investigators information , boasted , addition essential operations , great value service united states department israeli government data made available countries full knowledge source 1987 , adl came fbi scrutiny wake pollard spy scandal assigned navy 's anti terrorist alert center , access closely guarded u secrets , jonathan pollard stole thousands pages classified documents israel , , according federal prosecutors , could fill room size large closet ten feet six feet six feet pollard 's handler avi , israeli air force colonel whose wife worked new york adl lawyer pollard later wrote friends prominent adl leader deeply involved israeli spy operation proof anyone connected adl involved pollard , evidence adl freely passes information israeli intelligence march 1993 , fbi interrogated david gurvitz , adl fact finder los angeles 1992 fired suall illegally obtaining police information use rival simon center fbi asked gurvitz ever transmitted information israel gurvitz admitted 1992 learned law enforcement contact michael elias , allegedly member radical plo faction , scheduled travel san francisco international airport en route haifa gurvitz phoned deputy israeli consul general l information later day , according 15 page fbi interview gurvitz obtained voice , gurvitz called back another man , said israeli consulate , asked gurvitz repeat information elias gurvitz get man 's name , conversation hebrew gurvitz felt confident man actually israeli consulate official among 12 , 000 names private citizens police found adl files san francisco mohammed , 36 year old chicago resident arrested israel january 25 , allegedly distributing hundreds thousands dollars hamas , large islamic fundamentalist movement occupied territories chicago adl office runs least three undercover informants work official friends local law enforcement , according documents released san francisco sources close adl given facts , arab american groups surmise adl passed information israeli intelligence one technique used adl monitor large arab american community midwest scan local arab press funeral notices according sources familiar practice , adl investigators vans videotaped palestinian , sometimes turned plo rallies palestinians detained ben gurion airport simply basis filmed attending funeral chicago , according , executive director united holy land fund , whose cousin arab member israel 's knesset shortly arrested , israeli government announced hamas run america money operational instructions relayed courier fax israel 's charges played front page new york times according well placed sources , barsky , adl fact finder new york , worked closely israeli officials campaign , introducing friendly reporters official friends chicago law enforcement barsky , fluent arabic , prepared adl report hamas funded america identified dallas based islamic association palestine north america front organization hamas u infrastructure functions network organizations , small businesses , individual activists , says february 1993 adl report , outlines organization 's development , activities u college , gulf war also traces hamas plethora alleged front groups , indiana , culver city , california doubtful barsky could compiled sophisticated data without help official friends adl spies barsky refused comment used talk greg many three times week opposition researcher aipac , whose spy operation disclosed last summer voice level cooperation close , said recent phone conservation israel graduate school felt files lacking , contacted adl jabarin , 30 year old palestinian human rights worker occupied territories 25 , 000 human rights award 1990 , recalls barsky faxed aipac man 's entire police file , obtained israeli embassy jabarin arrested numerous times israel , confessed member plo severely tortured jabarin , received short jail term , became amnesty international prisoner conscience course , aipac adl , jabarin terrorist , ordered keep tabs u receive award , called representative al , palestinian human rights group employed jabarin , obtain aipac even opened file musician jackson , presented jabarin award adl may able rationalize close monitoring arabs , even left wing gay revolutionaries , far harder time explaining obsession spying anti apartheid activists david gurvitz told fbi started working fact finder adl l march 1989 , adl files already information israel south african connection anti apartheid groups gurvitz confirmed adl routinely collect information persons engaged anti apartheid activities united states , says fbi report gurvitz said files l adl office dating 1930s , estimated oldest material anti apartheid activities dates back late 1970s , begin 's rise power israel ties jewish state south africa august , 1992 , says report fbi 's march 3 , 1993 , interview gurvitz , anti apartheid demonstration held south african consulate los angeles participating demonstration los angeles student coalition socialist workers party gurvitz went two demonstration planning sessions , subsequent demonstration wrote report adl planning sessions demonstration copies reports disseminated bullock , among others , care san francisco adl office 1986 bullock learned consul general south african consulate los angeles would speaking las vegas meeting organized willis , head anti semitic liberty lobby consul general know willis , says fbi report , bullock suggested gerard might want warn south africans gerard agreed informed consul general , canceled appearance months later , gerard phoned bullock told south african intelligence officer wanted meet rendezvous hotel near fisherman 's , south african said interested acquiring information american anti apartheid activists south african , called mr humphries , also asked information groups advocating gerard , present throughout meeting , says fbi report , told humphries gerard employed cia humphries offered pay bullock 150 00 per month exchange information bullock noted much information humphries said wanted already possession bullock adl 1987 1991 , bullock sold information south african intelligence , receiving steady raises , split evenly gerard bullock said impression , though gerard never explicitly told , \( bullock never asked \) gerard may telling cia bullock 's contacts south africans , says fbi report gerard said knew cia san francisco , gerard dropped bullock bullock 's residence following meeting louie replaced humphries handler , gerard said going go san francisco cia office al , gerard may tasking bullock cia bullock recalled , met gerard , bullock went chicago , illinois conduct investigation behalf adl , says fbi report target investigation group called palestine human rights campaign bullock learned woman name deleted transporting money plo , united states bullock told gerard gerard later told bullock gerard 's would like know gerard asked bullock bullock would go back chicago gather information palestine human rights campaign bullock , however , never go back gerard also seems close relationship mossad , may started 1991 went adl israel adl frequently sponsors trips american law enforcement officials israel , meet counterparts various intelligence agencies according affidavit san francisco police inspector roth , expense paid trip israel less thank gift liaison gesture adl continue close relationships specific law enforcement officers united states gerard may liked saw israel short time travelling , went helped mossad 's rescue ethiopian jews gerard 's relationship south africa , talked openly exploits cia bullock recalled gerard mentioning algeria cia business , gerard discussed plo , ' says fbi report , louie responded israeli intelligence determined plo african national congress cooperating gerard also spoke travelled cia afghanistan louie also told gerard bullock adventures inside south africa intelligence officer gerard louie traded bullock tales ' although still much mystery triggered law enforcement 's investigation adl , probably theft classified fbi report nation islam fbi 's san francisco office police armed search warrants recovered report adl san francisco office gurvitz says sent copy mira boland , director adl 's fact finding division washington , c boland preparing op ed piece washington times , argued nation islam receive federal funds reconstruction l group anti semitic violence prone \( boland , arranged adl police israel attended gerard , testified 1990 criminal trial roanoke , virginia , worked cia 14 months later defense department joining adl trial , boland admitted sharing information cia official invitation adl conference \) questioned fbi last fall , gerard fled philippines , treaty america gerard believed supplied information police computers adl , israel south africa well san francisco examiner reported gerard may charged violating federal espionage laws although bullock worked adl 30 years , irwin suall praised july 1992 memo number one investigator , adl argues rogue agent defense , adl also asserts fact operate differently journalists , ask adl officials , n't journalists keep files \? difference practice journalism adl 's method gathering information could n't striking journalists place information public domain held accountable falsehoods , distortions , libel part , journalists n't share investigative files foreign domestic police agencies adl many files open public scrutiny , false information collected biased researchers cannot corrected proud human rights group , adl become jewish thought police adl says 's human rights group jews everyone , says chip berlet , highly respected researcher massachusetts based political research associates , monitors right wing extremist groups 's fine ca n't spy palestinians 's blatantly unethical frankly immoral argument people adl wears four hats hats independently appropriate broad based human rights group looks broad issues prejudice discrimination group defends jews defamation entirely noble nothing wrong hat group , whose leaders , least , consistently defend actions israel critics , entirely appropriate group maintains information sharing arrangement law enforcement , nothing wrong group ca n't four impossible four violate bounds ethics 's built conflict interest wear four hats adl national director abraham foxman apparently sees conflict september 1 , 1992 , letter voice , foxman complained adl proud 80 year record fighting bigotry promoting civil rights constitutional freedoms effort motive part smear stifle free speech anyone false baseless throughout pieces aipac 's spying , friedman describes dissemination information slander , existence files token inclination misleading several ways virtually every journalist , academic , politician organization keeps files subjects deem relevant tracing logic friedman 's reckless charges , library congress tantamount kgb moreover , public record public figure neither defamation many believe adl increasingly defamation business ask jesse jackson , james , leaders new jewish agenda past targets adl smears \( time , adl fascist world anti communist league , assisted ronald reagan 's covert war nicaragua , policy endorsed adl leaders \) early 1980s , researchers russ berlet asked meet fact finding head irwin suall , discuss work anti semite lyndon larouche view irwin suall really terrific investigator , says berlet introduce , say suall leans back chair basically runs us political activities , work , organizations belong obviously , trying blow us away succeeds sitting mouths open feeling uncomfortable leans forward says , 'the right wing n't problem left wing problem soviet union biggest problem world jews 's american left biggest threat american jews 're wrong track 're part problem ' virtually tears perceived basically stumbled letters \( response friedman 's article \) village voice , may 18 , 1993 , vol 20 league robert friedman 's assault anti defamation league anti defamation league spying may 11 demonstrates axe grind prejudiced biased agenda promote also demonstrates concern accurate reporting far list story inaccuracies , , outright falsehoods , conveys picture adl divorced reality friedman even wrong basic , easily determined facts adl founded \( chicago , new york \) building san francisco office located \( jewish community federation building \) adl done work fighting haters 80 years , without spying organizations individuals profound respect law mission monitor expose anti jewish , racist , anti democratic , violence prone , monitor primarily reading publications attending public meetings years , published scores reports anti semitism left right fact , although friedman 's bias leads assume contrary , adl 's primary concern still far right extremist organizations highly secretive , sometimes adl learn activities using undercover sources friedman 's hyperbole notwithstanding , sources function manner directly analogous investigative journalists performed great service american people example , uncovering existence right wing extremist training camps recognition considerable personal risk information adl obtains placed public domain , years adl established reputation accurate reporting friedman 's article , contrast , contains much misinformation would take article equally long set record straight examples states adl leader deeply involved jonathan pollard israeli spy operation , pollard 's handler 's wife worked new york adl lawyer true friedman also states adl investigators vans videotaped palestinian true elsewhere , asserts adl obsessed spying anti apartheid activists , true could go , course , friedman reveal sources distortion games friedman plays mentions numbers reveal lack objectivity comes much adl paid roy bullock week independent contractor , employee \( important distinction friedman also fails make \) includes zeros \( 75 00 , 150 00 \) , inviting reader see large number contrast , observes adl paid bullock nearly 170 , 000 1985 1993 , chooses point amounts little 20 , 000 year hardly excessive sum accurate friedman 's story chip berlet 's description adl 's four hats yes , adl looks broad issues prejudice discrimination yes , adl defends israel critics yes , adl maintains information sharing relationship law enforcement regarding extremist activities hate crimes see conflict four activities , believe voice readers wo n't either abraham foxman national director anti defamation league manhattan robert friedman replies adl compare investigative journalists absurd journalists n't spy arabs anti apartheid activists freely pass files south african israeli intelligence according police confessions two paid adl investigators , 700 pages court documents interviews , adl indeed , adl spies groups neither anti semitic violent police confiscated adl files hundreds mainstream groups ranging act peace respected intellectuals middle east scholars disagree adl 's political views ended adl , reputations smeared private organizations business paying operatives inside police departments spies , says april 17 editorial st louis post dispatch , condemning adl spying april 10 , police armed search warrants raided adl offices san francisco l concluding adl employees apparently less truthful voluntarily turning documents earlier search , according san francisco police inspector ron roth 's sworn affidavit roth also asserts bullock paid employee adl , failing pay taxes 170 , 000 income paid bullock , adl could face total 48 felony counts , according court papers adl may also face felony charges illegally obtaining confidential information police computers errors adl founded chicago , moved new york 1947 original tenant san francisco building shown voice photo , moving months ago never wrote adl leader deeply involved pollard israeli spy operation reported pollard made charge court papers , pollard 's lawyer said wife pollard 's handler worked adl bias , side first fourth amendments
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woods ulowell edu subject none lines 27 organization university massachusetts lowell would like find adb connector back macintosh powerbooks seeing several products use powering devices powerbook also thought something power adb connector \( keyboard mouse connector \) anyone know voltage serial sort kind soul could tell way talk mac \( ie packet info \) would appreciated greatly ! ! ! ! ! second note , pin outs mac powerbook modem connector would like know pins 5v , data etc thanks ! charles charles internet woods ulowell edu actually , unix user friendly system particular users chooses friendly oracle programmers programs alike need die gracefully upon failure , exit system
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maf corp sun com \( mike \) subject scsi dos adding 3rd drive \? ! organization sun microsystems computer corp , mountain view , ca lines 44 distribution world reply maf corp sun com nntp posting host corp sun com anyone know problems \( 's possible \) adding third hard drive \( scsi \) dos pc currently 386 pc future domain scsi board 2 maxtor scsi drives installed work great , n't problems ! well , want disk space went got another \( larger \) scsi hard disk thinking add chain \( 50pin ribbon 3 connectors \) run fdisk program format initialize disk n't happen pc boots , scsi prom shoots back devices attached board target 0 three disks seen run dos fdisk program format disk , choose select another disk \( option 5 \( dos6 \) \) voila , 's first two disks show problem , third disk found argh ! ideas anyone \? \? \? \? \? thanks advance ! mike sun microsystems computer corporation e mail maf corp sun com work \( 415 \) 336 \( n \) x \( \) x x x sierra hotel , check six f16 falcon
jsledd ssdc sas upenn edu \( james sledd \) subject dreams body incidents organization social science computing lines 6 article may 14 02 10 02 1993 athos rutgers edu alisonjw spider co uk \( alison j wyld \) writes alisonjw spider co uk \( alison j wyld \) ps make clear , n't \( never tried \) oobes tend think limits christians \?
kime mongoose torolab ibm com \( edward kim \) subject relative value players reply jle world std com 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 05 19 28 gmt lines 49 organization ibm toronto lab article world std com jle world std com \( joe leonard \) writes folks jump , let ask net would jays al good pitcher aaa place morris \( given run support \) \? average ml pitcher \? ca n't believe morris' performance playoffs series large positive impact jays performance know 's trendy nowadays dump morris , let 's give credit credit due doubtful blue jays would al east without morris last year , team went 13 15 month august , starters shelled , milwaukee making charge , morris went 5 1 pretty good era \( ca n't remember exactly \) also , let 's underestimate importance 240 innings save bullpen every fifth day n't help us win al east , forget pennent world series run support high \( 5 98 runs \) 's \( 5 90 runs \) 12 games remember morris winning inordinate number 6 5 8 6 ballgames , credit pitched good needed 6 1 ballgame , put cruise control threw ball let batters get themseleves \( hate expression ! \) inexperienced pitcher would wear trying make perfect pitches keep era morris , veteran pitcher , knows winning thing really matters baseball saving , able reach back little extra \( hate ! \) game line yes morris big time year , let 's change history suit present btw , think put bullpen would embarrassing veteran pitcher cito would never , era 17 , much embarrassed \? sit , 'll let others excellent players 'll settle good enough ring \) ditto ! joe leonard jle world std com eddie
lips ecn purdue edu \( kevin l \) subject source code substitution cipher organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 7 wondering anyone knew could find source code program solve substitution cipher \? thanks ! kevin \( please post answer instead e mailing directly \)
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garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) subject welcome police state usa organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 48 article lll winken llnl gov , ed wente llnl gov \( ed suranyi \) writes article 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu slp9k cc usu edu writes article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? firstly , could backed regardless fault first assault \( one four atf officers died \) , backing longer option people inside , particularly koresh , criminal suspects could made case self defense , wanted , court law police responsibility capture arrest 've never heard case police knew criminal suspect building , still decided back continuing siege one alternatives actually took place , 's matter debate whether would ended better letting press \? letting koresh talk press \? maybe allowed talk press tv couple days would surrendered peacefully letting relatives followers talk \? seems isolate someone , try send crazy playing loudspeakers night tibetan chants , etc , don`t much stand behave crazy \( i`m sure sanity start \) suspicious government controls communication , sends press 2 miles away gut feeling knock warrant , sealed , would stand scrutiny don`t think knock warrants constitution writers mind gave us rights improper search seizure don`t think powerful central , high taxing government constitution writers mind rights citizens states restricted central government
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject warning \( please read \) nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 44 article drutx att com klf druwa att com \( franklinkl \) writes article constellation ecn uoknor edu , callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) writes normally unloaded colt delta glove box loaded magazine handy \( perfectly legal oklahoma \) times i'm travelling inter state , keep unloaded w 44 magnum revolver glove box , speed loader pocket \( legal everywhere , federal law , illinois state police hanged \) carrying pistol , loaded unloaded , glove compartment , considered carrying concealed weapon colorado illegal without concealed weapons permit unless law changed recently , carrying weapon openly legal colorado concealing illegal read newspaper account last year police stopped car traffic observed 357 magnum revolver sitting seat driver could cited possessing carrying weapon concealed article stated gun discovered glove box , would considered crime carrying glove box covered i'm sure thinking legal oklahoma inter state travel , long legal point destination , gun carried locked compartment box \( glove box specifically excluded \) separate ammo , legal title 19 , chapter 44 , section 94 \( 9 \? forget , copy regs home \) us code , unfortunately , prevented theft state troopers certain state \( shall remain nameless protect hopelessly stupid \) state 's law gee , thought federal law state law james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
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theodore p lee tis com subject hearing 29 april 1993 x xxmessage id 52 mr net x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 05 02 21 gmt organization trusted information systems , inc x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 lines 22 article netcom com glenn tenney , tenney netcom com writes interest understand 29 april , mr markey holding hearing questions raised letter may also follow hearing dedicated clipper chip , 's definite glenn , thanks posting surprised notice , however , one question might expected asked forms strong encryption clipper made illegal \? speaking , anyone aware whether question asked knowledgeable official spokesperson government \? yet seen mentioned dozen places might reported , could easily missed ted lee trusted information system , inc tis com po box 1718 , mn
jwg0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( john walter \) subject last chance 20 playboy magazines organization lehigh university lines 54 roommate left playboy collection longer wants , i'm offering general public \( that's ! \) make offer entire collection current best offer 40 shipping accept best offer \( offer include cheapest method shipping bethlehem , pa \) 1992 february \( rachel williams , world tour , pom tanya beyer \) 1991 may \( shannon tracy pom jean \) july \( tall girls , miss bulgaria , pom wendy kaye \) september \( twins pom \) november \( la jackson pom marie christensen \) december \( parkinson price right pom wendy hamilton \) 1990 july \( sharon stone , marilyn look alike , pom jacqueline \) october \( girls big west , marisa , pom york \) november \( got made , sex cinema , pom lorraine olivia , \) 1989 january \( 35th anniversary issue collector 's edition \) february \( year sex , rio 's grand , pom eden \) march \( la jackson pom laurie wood \) august \( women wall st , diana lee license kill , pom \) november \( donna mills , sex cinema '89 , pom renee \) 1988 august \( sunshine girls pom \) october \( girls southwest conference pom shannon long \) november \( women washington , sex cinema '88 , pom pia \) december \( playmate review , sex stars '88 , anthony , pom \) 1987 november \( hahn , sex cinema '87 , pom pam stein \) also special edition playboy presents 100 beautiful women mba looking job hiring \? e mail jwg0 lehigh edu take walk wild side lehigh university \) bethlehem , pa usa \( j h n g e w r w k
downie brunel ac uk \( downie \) subject mac x sun openwindows 3 keywords mac x openwindows 3 x organization brunel university , west london , uk lines 48 article ux1 cso uiuc edu kerr ux1 cso uiuc edu \( stan kerr \) writes ossa hq nasa gov \( benjamin jones \) writes 've run bit snag trying get mac x running would appreciate stuff deleted local net , problem holds true non local suns well tried send private mail , mail ossa hq nasa gov rejected , extract readme file comes macx users remote commands sun machines may find remote commands appear nothing output sun machine due feature sun network daemon quietly disconnects requesting machines known sun network address \( etc hosts nis hosts \) database successfully use remote commands sunos based machine , must entry network address database macintosh running macx received similar information advice appears problem benjamin \( still \) nis information macs \( even put explicit entries etc hosts avail \) monitoring classic , initial rexec packet sent sun , sends something correct mac , nothing appears mac number one suspect , 's readme suggests n't yet looked stan kerr computing communications services office , u illinois urbana phone 217 333 email uiuc edu downie brunel ac uk faculty technology , brunel university , uxbridge , , uk 44 895 4 003 die und , worden , nicht , 7 man nicht , man
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject vandalizing sky organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon n't want quote stuff 's said recently , wanted add point whole question right dark sky around definition right moral rights natural rights well good , far see , right whatever someone representing enforce civilizations , government church \( \) defines rights citizens , enforces rights u , constitution provides bill rights legal rights considered derive i'm sure countries comparable documents persuade court right dark sky derived manner bill rights \( u \) , prevent \( maybe \) billboards launched keep anyone world launching gets international law international court justice \( correct name \? \) hague , something know little doug loss loss husky bloomu edu
shorty nevada edu \( david \) subject pink noise nntp posting host helios nevada edu organization university nevada system computing services distribution sci electronics lines 31 article juts ccc amdahl com amdahl com \( david sharpe \) writes pink noise white noise equal amounts frequencies cases around 20 3 3k hz range pink white used adjust room dynamics stuff like eq 's market pink noise built audio control know c 101 regards wrote , one adjust room dynamics stuff like \? asked professor question last week n't really know since pink noise believed due surface states \( say , surface silicon 's lack bond \) act traps nearby , since happens low frequencies \( high frequencies n't able trap electrons \) , compensate \? seems would n't able compensate pink noise seen pink noise feature , however , many , wondering suppose compensate noise pink noise due man made noise like power lines , , coupling , etc information , would appreciated hope n't sound drawn thanx david \( shorty helios nevada edu \)
jimc tau ceti isc br com \( jim cathey \) subject uart needed \( really break detect \) organization olivetti north america , spokane , wa lines 41 article alan 17 129 12 26 alan apple com \( alan mimms \) writes actually detecting break done watching character containing zero bits framing error resulting receipt true enough , means line stayed zero bit state even past stop bit time slot , basically indicates break special way detect break found 's magic signal generated uarts , etc 7 break detect popular part , number quirks , especially mode signetics rsr 2 break start detect rsr 3 break end detect two bits receiver status register enable interrupt either bits going high , also , one null put fifo per break detected simply best serial chip 've ever worked many less quirks , imho second best \( death 8250 devices ! \) ! ii ! jim cathey ! ii ! isc bunker ! ii cc ! taf c8 spokane , wa ! cc ! uucp uunet ! isc br ! jimc \( jimc isc br isc br com \) ! ii ! \( 509 \) 927 one design rule one design find one design bring darkness bind land mediocrity pc 's lie
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject islam scientific predictions \( genocide caused atheism \) organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 46 article 1993apr25 1190 monu6 cc monash edu au darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes \( deletion \) \( god \) one created night , day , sun moon travelling orbit motion \( qur'an 33 \) \( deletion \) well , certainly different , looks translation found everything way , surprised hear night day move orbit thought , translations refer latter two objects orbit , bucaille 's translation seems indicate night day travelling orbit perhaps understood one looks earth 's reference frame reference frame , day night would appear orbit earth \( travelling east west \) \( reference frame earth still \) well , yes , belongs group , interpretation found everything however , allowing form interpretation reduces information text zero way , checked quote think lines preceding quoted interesting 21 32 mountains set earth order earth 21 33 skies \( heavens \? \) referred well supported lines given 21 34 edition maybe meant \? 's possibility sun travels orbit without saying earth , , sounds geocentric see find still geocentric sun moon move earth sounds geocentric benedikt
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject final solution gaza \? distribution world lines 78 1483500354 igc apc org , cpr igc apc org \( center political reflux \) wrote pseudo letterhead deleted dcs israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto , repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans detect faint bias \? could israelis n't \? perhaps gazans n't starving \? gaza strip , tiny area land highest population density world , oh , oh n't realized chinese wiped hong kong , singapore sunk sea , several cities vanished either , taste quality 're see cut world weeks suppose footage cnn last night archival , ted turner faking nbc style \? another wee little exaggeration sake greater truth \? israeli occupier decided punish whole population gaza , 700 000 people , denying right leave strip seek work israel hey ! forgot israel also denied syrians 'right' come think , mexico denying 'right' evan write ! ever gently suggesting israel , unlike every country earth , n't allowed control traffic across borders \? polish non jews risked lives save jews ghetto , israeli jew known risked life help gazan resistance help given gazans israeli jews , dozens people , humanitarian assistance sounds like parallel , n't tell us many poles went ghetto join jews oops ! moment forgot poland , assistance could get killed come think , humanitarian assistance gazans get israelis killed , except gaza , 's likely gazan death squad office let 's keep parallel since gross numbers n't , 'll need value use gazan vs jewish initial population \? gazan vs jewish death rates \? gazans vs jews survived five years occupation \? israelis vs nazis attacked \? israelis vs poles charged aiding victims \? since two cases comparable , n't matter pick , 'll , right \? contrary popular hyperbole , idf could quite easily kill entire population gaza hours wanted \( , i'm exaggerating really n't want discuss \) note million dead gazans n't get much headline space dozen , soon forgotten exterminated , ca n't keep popping headlines final solution gaza would much better standpoint , n't israel go \? difficult question answer ca n't believe anything good jews , probably keep trying force fit facts theory c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject calder cup playoff schedule organization clarkson university lines 61 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 full 1993 calder cup playoff schedule results home team caps necesary first round springfield indians vs providence bruins gm 1 springfield 3 providence 2 gm 2 springfield 5 providence 4 gm 3 providence 3 springfield 2 gm 4 providence 9 springfield 0 gm 5 springfield 4 providence 2 gm 6 springfield 4 providence 3 \( springfield wins series , 4 2 \) cd islanders vs adirondack red wings gm 1 adirondack 6 cdi 2 gm 2 adirondack 5 cdi 3 gm 3 adirondack 3 cdi 0 gm 4 adirondack 3 cdi 1 \( adirondack wins series , 4 0 \) baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers gm 1 baltimore 4 binghamton 3 gm 2 binghamton 6 baltimore 2 gm 3 binghamton 8 baltimore 3 gm 4 baltimore 3 binghamton 1 gm 5 4 26 baltimore binghamton gm 6 4 28 binghmaton baltimore gm 7 4 30 baltimore binghamton utica devils vs rochester americans gm 1 utica 3 rochester 2 \( ot \) gm 2 rochester 9 utica 3 gm 3 rochester 6 utica 4 gm 4 rochester 4 utica 3 \( ot \) gm 5 rochester 3 utica 2 \( rochester wins series , 4 1 \) moncton hawks vs st john 's maple leafs gm 1 st john's 4 moncton 2 \( halifax \) gm 2 st john's 3 moncton 2 \( halifax \) gm 3 st john 's 6 moncton 5 gm 4 moncton 5 st john 's 4 \( ot \) gm 5 4 26 moncton vs st john 's halifax gm 6 4 28 st john 's moncton gm 7 4 30 moncton vs st john 's halifax cape breton oilers vs fredericton canadiens gm 1 fredericton 4 cape breton 3 \( 2ot \) gm 2 cape breton 5 fredericton 2 gm 3 cape breton 3 fredericton 0 gm 4 cape breton 6 fredericton 5 \( ot \) gm 5 cape breton bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
kadie cs uiuc edu \( carl kadie \) subject political point attack clipper infrastructure organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 14 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes attorney general publishes number court ordered taps year believe mistaken n't believe ag publishes number state wiretaps carl carl kadie represent organization kadie cs uiuc edu
vision auc dk \( hans f e s8 \) subject head head win os 2 reply jagrant emr1 emr ca 's message sat , 15 may 1993 17 53 12 gmt organization laboratory image analysis , university lines 28 article 1993may15 emr1 emr ca jagrant emr1 emr ca \( john grant \) writes n't think question os 2 x x run windows apps \? important question subsequent os 2 versions continue run apps subsequent windows versions future \? john grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey canada , ottawa important question os2 apps , n't load windows future \? maybe question future windows x 1 run os2 apps \? regards hans whales atlantic people islands perfect harmony last 1000 years matter urban without real relation coherence nature says
ross ucsb edu \( richard ross \) subject running mathematica pb160 \? keywords mathematica , powerbook lines 15 's another question hesitant powerbook purchaser want able run mathematica would like hear comments gallery much slower program run machine without fpu \( namely pb160 \) versus machine fpu \( namely pb170 \) types calculations get primarily due moderately simple algebra , dealt plotting including 3 plots n't lot numerical work would pb160 lot memory \( nice video port \) sufficient really try get fpu type work \? pb170 8mb faster pb160 12 16mb comments appreciated please respond email ross physics ucsb edu
donc cognos com \( campbell \) subject avi flc converter organization cognos incorporated , ottawa canada lines 18 looking small utility convert microsoft video \( avi \) file autodesk animator pro \( flc \) file since also contain sound , would nice utility also stored sound track wav file currently i'm accomplishing saving avi multiple using video windows , converting dib gif , loading gifs animator sound , load original avi save seperate wav file requires many steps productive help greatly appreciated thanks campbell internet donc cognos com uucp cognos ! donc cognos inc mail p box , riverside drive , \( 613 \) 738 1440 ottawa ontario , canada
wats scicom alphacdc com \( bruce watson \) subject life mars organization alpha science computer network , denver , co lines 10 article teradata com swf elsegundoca ncr com writes 're fred rejects big bang , proposes infinitely old universe \( really \) , model life always starts given planet outer space always life somewhere n't fred abandon steady state theory \? bruce watson \( wats scicom alphacdc com \)
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 94 article news cso uiuc edu hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu \( harold brooks \) writes article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes n't pretend understand statistical analysis well , agree last part \) cool thank intelligent response devoid silly name calling others \) one basic things need statistic able predict player 's performance future correlation year year player 's batting average correlated fairly well year year ok basic problems something like clutch batting average overall batting average correlation year year almost zero adding sample size n't seem help much actually , think large scale sample size part problem seems plot players baseball regard ba vs clutch ba deviation would get kind bell curve \( x axis deviation clutch hitting vs non clutch axis number players \) certainly would players extreme ends bell supposition find players consistently \( year year \) one end bell , might able make reasonable conclusions players \( opposed baseball players \) counterexample showed , consider following two players 1984 1987 non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba maldonado 1060 260 245 254 78 307 lemon 457 278 256 57 223 two players 1988 , logic , clutch situations , 'd bat maldonado lemon blink eye well , 1988 , maldonado hit 267 non clutch 190 clutch , lemon hit 254 non clutch 313 clutch accuse completely cooking data , wo n't hear kind accusations interesting selected maldonado , someone also looked inconsistent hitter \( terms ba \) , hitting 1989 92 217 , 273 , 250 , 272 admittedly , traded leagues well clubs clutch hitting record equally inconsistent , purposes 1993 would draw conclusions ability hit clutch based prior performance n't know would felt 1988 , may indeed right looked sabo found consistent record hitting , consistent pattern clutch hitting proportionately non clutch ba ditto joe carter probably brings us heart disagreement others topic must conclusion based statistical history able applied broadly throughout data base validity \? impossible \( irrational \) apply statistical analysis selected components data base \? btw , players' overall batting average '84 '87 '88 gives correlation coefficient 0 59 , significant something better 99 9 confidence level \( clutch non clutch ba \) period gives correlation 0 088 , significant level interest completely accept reasoning , find individuals end spectrum consistent basis \? actually , 's technically incorrect say ca n't predict future clutch performance 's correct say ca n't predict future clutch performance skill amen beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject mormon temples organization university victoria lines 91 dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) writes paragraph brought mind question \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement ressurection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? short answer certain marriages recorded heaven long answer doctrine covenants section 132 , chapter discussing eternal marriage \( , yes , plural marriage \) , distinction priesthood marriages revealed children world marry , given marriage receive resurrection dead , neither marry , given marriage \( luke 20 34 35 \) jesus simply teaching marriages death part force death however , doctrine covenants continues describing eternal marriage c 132 19 , verily say unto , man marry wife word , law , new everlasting covenant , sealed unto holy spirit promise , anointed power keys priesthood shortened brevity ai shall full force world shall pass angels , gods , set , glory things , hath sealed upon heads , glory shall continuation seeds forever ever lord told peter whatsoever thou shalt bind earth shall bound heaven \( matt 16 19 \) doubt peter given power perform \? peter thought taught husbands wives heirs together grace life \( 1 peter 3 7 \) order obtain highest \( degree celestial glory \) , man must enter order priesthood \( c 131 2 \) man wife sealed truly become one flesh eternal increase \( \) completely father eternal companion \( maybe plural marriage conditions law \) participated creation equally concerned progress scriptural basis doctrine fact , mention mother one verse hymn written early history church father learned call thee father , thy spirit high , , key knowledge restored , knew parents single \? , thought makes reason stare ! truth reason truth eternal tells 've mother n't hear mother \? 1 father priesthood authority \( calling \) 2 n't \( necessarily \) mother would confusing worship 3 father wishes withhold name titles people degrade sacred things idler
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization hand held products , inc lines 51 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote seem make two points one ultimately federal agencies mention , since koresh apparently different view point baptist upbringing , worthy protection religious persecution messiah , christ within us \? must comforting belong government approved religion baptists cult , two , btw , definitions dictionary cult 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear olds n't recall saying baptists though suppose none listed dictionary characteristics cult mother stockpiled soup sale 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things , foul mouthed human sound like ready join kkk neo nazis , narrow mind like people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia far , defend rights anyone different constitution , formed part protect religious cults persecuted england migrating free one constitution joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
ucs orst edu \( charley jenkins \) subject isa ca n't use 16 megs ram \? \? \? \? keywords isa article gaia distribution world organization university computing services osu lines 8 nntp posting host ucs orst edu k , computer literate , cannot done ram 16 megs isa machine please e mail ! thanks advance ! charley
adams bellini berkeley edu \( adam l schwartz \) subject israel 's expansion ii nntp posting host bellini berkeley edu organization u c berkeley erl lines 27 article cat cis brown edu dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) writes someone elaborate little libertarian movement \? going draw conclusions small sample , far recall two self described libertarians posting seems 1 \) incredibly ignorant 2 \) incredibly arrogant 3 \) want get people angry 4 \) posses lousy sense humor 5 \) write jump topic topic without logical connection topics 6 \) describe intelligent knowledgeable , although everything posters points opposite 7 \) childish campaign smear libertarian party \? wow , hang second libertarian party stands personal freedom , faire economics minimal government whoever describing self libertarian \( maybe refering posters call civil libertarians \) talking libertarian philosophy adam schwartz \( libertarian \)
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject lotus 1 2 3 ver 3 4 forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 10 new price extra copy lotus 1 2 3 ver 3 4 dos package originally 600 'd like get 75 please reply e mail jth bach udel edu thanks , jay
dfield flute calpoly edu \( infospunj \( dan field \) \) subject please , help patient ! ! ! organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 27 article 3 integral stavropol su integral stavropol su writes mail su subject please , help ! ! ! dear ladies gentlemen ! grateful information address \( \) e mail address loma linda hospital \( approximate position usa , california , near town , 60 miles los angelos \) patient needs consultation clinics operation respect , igor v quit also replied via e mail dialed university librarian , looked loma linda university medical center loma linda , ca n't know internet address , reached telephone \( 714 \) 824 4300 good luck daniel r field , aka infospunj never believe experiment dfield oboe calpoly edu confirmed theory biochemistry , biotechnology arthur california polytechnic state u tongue cheek foot mouth \?
ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization computing services , uc davis lines 3 lord , hope n't hoover pro ! monstrous dan
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject text white house announcement q clipper chip encryption organization stratus computer , inc lines 27 distribution na nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article n3n netcom com , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes though agree place discuss guns , note passing number gun apologists seem ignored words well regulated distorted interpretations second amendment though david sternlight pushes envelope credibility claiming talk politics guns place discuss guns , meaning second amendment , seems would rather post millions people relative ignorance subject follow currently active threads discussing exactly topic least explore fallacies erroneous claim , explode basic fact 1 , mr sternlight right described right people keep bear arms right people form militia , right militia keep bear arms , right well regulated people keep bear arms apparent simple reading sentence arguments , suggest check thread , gun control , playing alt politics usa constitution near cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
hamlet ucdavis edu \( jaffe \) subject help kidney stones organization university california , davis x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 14 garbo ericsson se \( mats \) writes n't relatively new treatment kidney stones involving non invasive use ultra sound patient lowered sort liquid undergoes treatment \? i'm sure 've read somewhere remember correctly painless effective treatment use shock waves \( ultrasound \) break stones around years depending type machine , intensity shock waves , usually uncomfortable enough require something high power machines cause enough pain require general regional anesthesia afterwards , feels like someone pretty good !
ece bigdog engr arizona edu \( crazy diamond \) subject 800 real deal ! \? ! \? keywords corp organization university arizona lines 21 hello netters aquired enough money purchase laser printer day , bought computer shopper mag looking printer review section noticed machine incredibly low priced features 800 dpi ! ram postscript compatable envelope printing question anyone one know price cheap \? would someone would pass knowledge subject thanks alot ! dave donuts girls best friend
cs colostate edu \( erol \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host mozart cs colostate edu organization computer science department , colorado state university lines 45 article 13may93 02285380 edison usask ca f54oguocha edison usask ca writes previous article , josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) wrote actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) josip , please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! oguocha mr oguocha , muslims bosnian context fact turks fact , correct wrong , serbs attacking bosnians battle cries death turks ! shocking \? years communism apparently suppressed hatred anger towards turks hatred obviously one dies hard serbs must understand , turks longer good old world come know propaganda propaganda serbs must understand barbarism work serbs must even understand barbarism would one day face counter barbarism , urge people serbs stop killing bosnian women children must never forget turks watching patiently cordially , erol mozart cs colostate edu
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject says ! reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 131 article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes right notice assumptions used bosnian serbs \( serbia \) bosnian muslims post quaint point , completely ignore blatant lies 've scenario genocide staged armenians 78 years ago eastern anatolia x soviet armenia reenacted time azerbaijan remarkable similarities plots , perpetrators , underdogs remember , article 25249 news service uci edu , blatantly lied still corrected goltz article published sunday times magazine march 1 , 1992 , guardian sunday section story filed agdam london 'll let rest net judge merits source 'the sunday times , ' 1 march 1992 \( british weekly , written thomas goltz , agdam , azerbaijan \) armenian soldiers massacre hundreds fleeing families violence outer republics former soviet union gained new impetus yesterday cold blooded slaughter hundreds women children war racked nagorno karabakh survivors reported armenian soldiers shot bayoneted 450 azeris , many women children , fleeing attack town hundreds , possibly thousands , missing feared dead attackers killed soldiers volunteers defending women children turned guns terrified refugees survivors later described happened 's real slaughter began , said , one three soldiers survive armenians shot shot came started carving people bayonets knives shooting , shooting , shooting , echoed , arrived agdam women children made way armenian lines said husband , , son law killed front daughter still missing one boy arrived agdam ear sliced survivors said 2000 others , fled separately , still missing terrain many could perish wounds cold late yesterday , 479 deaths registered morgue agdam 's morgue , 29 bodies buried cemetery seven corpses saw awaiting burial , two children three women , one shot chest point blank range agdam hospital scene carnage terror doctors said 140 patients escaped slaughter , bullet injuries deep stab wounds safe agdam friday night rockets fell city population 150 , 000 , destroying several buildings killing one person wait , inhumane ignore violence stories survivors karabag massacre 69 year old nine telling twin grandchildren cut pieces front eyes told wo n't kill babies die front eyes '' 72 year old huseyin turkish village khojalu town blown two hours killing children babies mercilessly said turks , must die '' 28 year old gulsum huseyin bayonetted 3 year old daughter stomach front eyes '' stories lies \? eye witnesses day dreaming \? stories forged turkish journalists region \? nonsense claim clear writings british journalists , two days quoted sunday times article british reported events karabag even turkish journalists pictures pictures people bayonetted , whose eyes gouged , ears cut even armenian radio could n't claim lies saying exaggeration means ' happened situation bad reported perhaps village khojalu town destroyed 4 hours , instead 2 gulsum huseyin 's 3 year old daughter bayonetted chest instead stomach massacre clearly seen dimensions effects massacre karabag environs cannot reduced word western , led french newspapers , ability nothing complicity massacre yesterday gave samples le figaro yesterday 's print news real events karabag printed french tv channels subject considered related karabag ''the necessity protecting armenians azeri attacks '' age living termed human rights age lots organizations united nations csce \( conference security cooperation europe \) , rules , designed fight human rights violations international reactions must made international cooperation support everybody every organization claiming civilized could serious human rights violation right live levels barbarity cruelty \? cooperation \? reactions \? intellectuals , journalists , writers , tv stations certain western countries france fast claim leadership human rights \? \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
lyle seaman transarc com subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 39 distribution na nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr22 134214 18517 rick dgbt doc ca jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes somebody asked wrong overreacting cases probably meant nobody yet seemed jerry suggesting people currently overreacting , vehemently disagree see lot talk , much action see misunderstood jerry 's position reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper bunch 'll bitch net , go back lurking people work within system trying break \? examine history books , find many armed revolutions led democratic \( democratic style \) governments think 'll find one five thousand years written history actually , 's quite bad , 's close look , \( collectively \) power throw bums , n't use clearly n't need go burning things , clearly need throw least bums unfortunately , bums learned target small groups people single time , masses wo n't react throw eventually , masses react , unless bums cease relentless encroachment liberty economy sooner happens , less damages n't want live war zone , either want see bums thrown real damage lyle transarc 707 grant street 412 338 4474 gulf tower pittsburgh 15219
merlyn digibd digibd com \( merlyn leroy \) subject good jesus died \? nntp posting host digibd digibd com organization , incorporated , eden prairie , mn lines 15 jasons atlastele com \( jason smith \) writes several years knew really liked dropping \( lsd \) frankly speaking , n't really care fun anyway n't matter every child wife want tremendously greater risk serious birth defects matter study \( yes , singular \) showed lsd causing birth defects also holds true aspirin \? matter study flat wrong , lsd give greater risk children birth defects \? merlyn leroy
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject jeff mason 's auction marvel , dc , valiant , image , etc organization univ florida psychology dept lines 115 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu summary thursday april 22 , 1993 update following comics auction highest bid takes ! new stuff added ! ! \( cyberrad , marvel presents , spiderman special , etc \) title minimum current alpha flight 51 \( jim lee 's first work marvel \) 5 00 aliens 1 \( 1st app aliens comics , 1st prnt , may 1988 \) 20 00 krism sold amazing spider man 136 \( intro new green goblin \) 20 00 amazing spider man 238 \( 1st appearance hobgoblin \) 50 00 archer armstrong 1 \( frank miller smith layton \) 7 50 avengers 263 \( 1st appearance x factor \) 3 50 bloodshot 1 \( chromium cover , bwsmith cover poster \) 5 00 twice cyberrad 1 \( cyberrad , prestige silver edition \) 15 00 daredevil 158 \( frank miller art begins \) 35 00 dark horse presents 1 \( 1st app concrete , 1st printing \) 7 50 detective 657 \( azrael appears , intro cypher \) 5 00 detective 658 \( azrael appears \) 4 00 harbinger 10 \( 1st appearance h r corps \) 7 00 b matthey sold h r corps 1 5 00 incredible hulk 324 \( 1st app grey hulk since 1 1962 \) 7 00 incredible hulk 330 \( 1st mcfarlane issue \) 15 00 incredible hulk 331 \( grey hulk series begins \) 11 00 incredible hulk 367 \( 1st dale keown art hulk \) 15 00 incredible hulk 377 \( 1st new hulk , 1st prnt , keown \) 15 00 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 7 50 marvel presents \( charleston chew giveaway , sam keith \) 5 00 maxx limited ashcan \( 4000 copies exist , blue cover \) 33 50 brentb sold mr 1 \( signed advance copy , 10 , 000 exist \) 10 00 new mutants 86 \( mcfarlane cover , 1st app cable cameo \) 10 00 new mutants 100 \( 1st app x force \) 5 00 new mutants annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 10 00 omega men 3 \( 1st appearance lobo \) 7 50 omega men 10 \( 1st full lobo story \) 7 50 power man iron fist 78 \( 3rd appearance sabretooth \) 20 00 power man iron fist 84 \( 4th appearance sabretooth \) 15 00 simpsons comics stories 1 \( polybagged special ed \) 7 50 spectacular spider man 147 \( 1st app new hobgoblin \) 12 50 spider man special \( giveaway , vs venom \) 10 00 star trek next generation 1 \( feb 1988 , dc mini \) 7 50 star trek next generation 1 \( oct 1989 , dc comics \) 7 50 trianglehead 1 \( special limited edition , autographed \) 5 00 web spider man 29 \( hobgoblin , wolverine appear \) 10 00 web spider man 30 \( origin rose , hobgoblin appears \) 7 50 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 15 00 wolverine 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 5 00 wolverine 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 50 wolverine 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 3 00 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 20 00 wonder woman 267 \( return animal man \) 12 50 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 20 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 10 00 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help titles posted n't list every issue title , tried save space geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
pt \( \) subject none \( mail relay \) lines 33 hi people ! i'm looking x servers dos windows 've already seen desqview x xvision 'd like aware choices anything public domain shareware \? commercial area anything aggressive pricing \? incompatibilities \? window managers \? info welcome thanx advance c u ! \( e \) mario
fish princeton edu \( mark andrew \) subject canucks score originator news nimaster nntp posting host fish princeton edu organization princeton university distribution na lines 5 help ! i'm stuck computer new jersey access radio tv could someone kindly post score canucks jets game \? thanks advance mark
gaijin ale japan sun com \( john little nihon sun repair depot \) subject , police read stuff \? organization nihon sun microsystems atsugi technical centre japan lines 15 nntp posting host ale japan sun com summary finally spills beans blue baron legend article athena cs uga edu ahatcher athena cs uga edu \( allan hatcher \) writes well , goes lurking long time , 'll announce yes , i'm enemy sorry allan , unless happen guy watches v 's driving white toyota route 129 atsugi , 're even close enemy ! ! john little gaijin japan sun com sun microsystems atsugi , japan
yang titan ucs umass edu \( yang \) subject help allocate memory disk copying file manager organization university massachusetts , amherst lines 8 distribution usa nntp posting host titan ucs umass edu use file manager 's disk copy , find windows \( 3 1 \) read whole 1 2mb disk one time , 98 1 44 disk looks like problem memory however , pc 4mb ram way extended memory disk copy please advise matter thanks advance
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject ulf lines 26 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 allan sullivan \( allan cs ualberta ca \) wrote unfortunately , way league heading ca n't fight , way retaliate someone cheap shot ref n't looking ulf brought high level players stuck past \( like neely \) prefer fights cheap shots disadvantage new system lets face , cheap shot \( like high sticking \) effective method easier hide refs , better chance causing injury , draw people fights way n't like , 's way league going way , rather good hit ulf last penguin devil game managed hit nj player face stick \( must legal hit , ulf clean player allowed things like \) ex nhl hockey players might care comment end ridiculously long discussion \? tom huot huot cray com
smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) subject welcome police state usa organization cabletron systems , inc lines 72 distribution world reply smith ctron com nntp posting host ctron com article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush demonstrated come trial , real possibility koresh would gotten grounds self defense survivors debacle sworn batf shot first government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell rang doorbell using concussion grenade ! bloody warrants legal sealed fight started \? koresh declared private state daring gov't go , surrender last year local sheriff served warrant arrest \( opposed batf search warrant , include arrest unless violations found \) calling tell going collect squad car \? n't sound like dictator , sounds like someone knows court battle things might gone differently batf doorbell paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one stupid paranoid assertion , surviving witnesses , batf tanks , aware either batf fbi using yesterday use maximum force first day got four officers killed stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police underarmed \? , loaded bear every picture shows wearing bullet proof vests ! using concussion grenades full auto weapons , missing low yield tac nukes \? transparent attempt justification ridiculous amount force used , initially yesterday ashamed anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear sure fire method keep bottled talk death surrender without giving justification looney tune religious stunt phil , 've reading postings months i'm convinced back anything , matter damaging may anyone else 's rights think hurt people n't like 's people attitude set preconditions holocaust , process place country , even , pitiful remains constitution slowing progress n't libertarian issue , others may argue line , strictly constitutional view democratic gov't , fbi batf wrong , wrong , wrong , even reasons trying arrest koresh 100 right anything leads deaths 17 children , nothing else touches stoney heart , wrong matter pushed button god 's sake , man , get morality back larry smith \( smith ctron com \) , n't speak cabletron need ask \? liberty freedom whatever want , freedom whatever able
subject earth also pollutes rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) nntp posting host 128 159 2 197 lines 14 article 1993apr21 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) says i'm defender , worth noting unfair tar organization decidedly minority scientific views former one term washington governor , dr dixie lee ray dr ray 's political agenda well known documented likewise , lack objectivity scientific data well known correct , apologize problems \( however inherent \) continuous misleading data order support statement nuclear safe clean cheap boot 10 15 cents per kilowatt hour cheap neither nuclear power plants far safe clean 'll let nuclear power plants speak way uranium mines
steel hal gnu ai mit edu \( nick steel \) subject west bank baseball organization etc organization lines 8 nntp posting host hal ai mit edu reported national baseball league spotted west bank recruiting pitchers
clavazzi nyx cs du edu \( doge \) subject waco information accuracy x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 25 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article crcnis1 unl edu , e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) wrote example fbi report several bodies found rubble bullet wounds local coroner , independent fbi , far found bullet wounds ! according cnn last night \( saturday 4 24 93 \) found bullets two corpses , head \( would indicate bullets aimed killing humans \) , course , deter several die hard net , probably claim tarrant county medical examiner \( dr \) coerced fbi faking evidence either , 'll claim fbi shot rest us might contemplate difficulty determining cause death corpse reduced krispy doge south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator \( tm \) one step beyond sundays , 3 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio 'll pay know really think ! j r bob dobbs
backon vms huji ac il subject sinus surgery septoplasty distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines 39 article da utdallas edu , kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) writes article netcom com badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) writes \( 've already heard couple said n't really help \) moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see relief asthma sinus surgery also said unheard migraines go away sinusitis relieved ent also tell procedure may remove soles feet improve sex life \? probably trying record partial nasal obstruction correlated number chronic disorders migraine , , asthma , ulcer , , lack \( \) \) riga rev neuro 1957 24 325 335 , cardiac symptoms jackson rt annals 1976 85 65 70 mh , v 1980 18 47 50 mh 1980 18 67 81 , fever , inadequate oral intake electrolyte imbalance fairbanks head neck surgery 1986 94 412 415 \) post inane comments would nice 'd run medline search topic say back 1966 's extensive literature 100 years may cardiology 've good working relationship colleagues ent josh backon vms huji ac il
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject u archives genocide muslim people armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 158 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes serdar , former government pay anything \? also crap genocide muslims \? thing , wo n't bother 's problem right sdpa arf' crooks idiots stole brain watch source world alive , personal story robert dunn crown publishers , inc , new york \( 1952 \) \( memoirs american officer witnessed armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) p 361 \( seventh paragraph \) p 362 \( first paragraph \) 'the inside houses come look ' 'no , dammit ! stomach n't ' 'one turkish officer uniform must see ' trees mosque , open space 'i n't believe , said , followed nail door man pushed , spurred away , leaving check corpse thought , charge constant , teeth went inside place cool ashes , dark first , stone walls window rags mud floor around iron embers vented smoke roof beams black soot looked bare empty , inner room flies buzzed door swung shut behind saw came man 's body lying face , naked fifty years old left face rifle butt bashed eye one left slanted , tartars rather turks uniform gone , 'd proof , quickly went , mess slashed genitals p 363 \( first paragraph \) 'how many people lived \? ' 'oh , eight hundred ' see turk officers \? ' 'no , sir dawn tartar civilians mufti ' lieutenant , , small hours voice woke dro 's stood starlight officer anyone long furiously 'd never heard abruptly dro broke laughter , quick simple child 's cover sense guilt , thought , hoped somehow , despite boast , christian massacring horrible reverse would , armenian villagers poured miles around women plundered happily , like ravens picked carcass djul hauled every 's , last scrap food cloth , staggered away , packing pots , saddlebags , , even spinning wheels lot , dro , ' said back camp 'but must leave ' shook hands , captain said 'a , mon ' hours old scout plodded north across plains like lot 's wife looked back see smoke bathing , doubtless sack moslem villages line snow iran ' p 354 morning tea , dro officers spread map whole high region called karabakh deep tactics , spoke russian , got contempt allied zones distrust promises made tribal chiefs campaign shaped raids moslem villages p 358 three hours take , dro told 'd close three sides men foot shoot , use bayonets , said , rifle morale , dro put must keep moslems terror soldiers civilians \? asked difference , said dro armed , uniform women children \? fly others best may p 360 ridges circled wide , floors still hundreds feet , fog held , solid cotton flock lies , ' said dro , pointing men also attack sides ' , ee ! ' whistle lined rock edge bayonets clicked upon plunged , black followed staff , horde nose tail , bellies taking spur armenia action seemed like war , even though heard utica brass roar watched height , took ages djul show clear tsing machine gun fire took thumping batteries cattle , dogs , invisible , ate hunk cheese drank snow puddle mist last folded upward men shouted , first heard faintly came shrill wailing among cloud streaks rose darker smoke red house walls stone wattle , dry weeds roofs mosque stood clump trees , thick green crooked alleys fire , figures mounted foot ! ' shouted gunner others escape rocks , one twisted bronze shell nose , loaded , yanked breech cord , firing shots wasted , thought , afternoon looked vain fallen branch body shots white bursts shrapnel gullies drowned women 's cries length shooting got horse rode toward djul burned still little flame showed way steep tough , dense scrub finally flatter ground came suddenly , , smoldering houses across trampled wheat brothers arms leading animals , several calves lamb p 361 \( fourth paragraph \) corpses came next , first pretty child straight black hair , large eyes looked twelve years old lay stubble meal lay scattered sack 'd toting bayonet gone back , judged , blood around scant breasts one clot , small bullet wound , dress next boy ten less , rawhide jacket knee pants lay face path several huts one arm reached bowl 'd carried , upset upon dough steel neck , spine , , saw led around djul empty living till looked see beside dro 's german speaking colonel said tartars escaped dead p 358 stories armenian murdering turks czarist troops fled north hosts told duty keep tabs , turkish troop shifts , hidden arms , spies christian , red tartar coming spoke hell would break loose versailles put , threatened , six vilayets turkey control erevan armenia without armenians ! turks christian rule \? lips smacked irony droopy red moustache 's bloodshed smyrna bigger scale serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
thacker enh nist gov subject experience buying tc computers \? organization nist lines 9 i'm planning buy computer like tc 's ads tell anything company computers \? also , anyone company would prefer , please let know thanks thacker miami , fl
cus cam ac uk \( \) subject wanted uk bmw r80 insurance tips nntp posting host bootes cus cam ac uk organization u cambridge , england lines 18 article 1993apr21 infodev cam ac uk , cus cam ac uk \( \) writes hi , i'm market buying bmw ideal would r80 rs 'd interested r80 sale age problem i'm interested good example without massive amount miles one well maintained intend keep well time would also like know anyone sound advice regards insurance old , licence 9 years , accidents claims convictions old enough get bmw owners club insurance yet wait next year \? ian future beemer owner article repeated due large amount articles since 1st sent
woods ulowell edu subject ! bruins lose 4 3 lines 29 organization university massachusetts lowell ! ! ! bruins lost ca n't stand ! aside frustrated , must give buffalo credit making good scoring opportunities , playing great defense boston players ca n't seem get control puck anywhere near buffalo net except rare occasions buffalo defense also excellent job clearing away rebounds fuhr playing great big save needed 's also getting plenty help boston playing rather well \( better would indicated series score 3 0 \) lacking extra drive earlier part game result , boston keeps leaving ice end 1st period 2 goals must stop boston hope winning single game \( outlook bruin 's advancement second round quite bleak \) imho , bruins need score first , excellent chance winning , since outplayed sabres 2nd 3rd periods \( scary thing 'll going grad school buffalo next year 'll never cheer sabres ca n't convert \) mike die hard bruins fan dept chemistry umass lowell woods ulowell edu
cyberman toz buffalo ny us \( cyberman \) subject blue led 's lines 21 x maildoor waflinemail 1 00r gladman aviv said blue led 's 04 24 93 01 51 ga order emit blue light , semiconductor must band gap ga energy within region 2 6 2 8 electron volts according ga physical electronics prof , ca n't get led band gap ga 's n't find blue leds , matter , ga colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've ga seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light ga led blue plastic covering n't emit much light true make blue led 's 2 80 digikey wavelength way stephen cyberman toz buffalo ny us mangled sun 04 25 1993 13 33 46 think 640k enough bill gates 1981 blue wave qwk v2 12
tartarus uwa edu au \( andrew scott \) subject disks copy protected organization university western australia lines 21 nntp posting host tartarus uwa edu au x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 1 cyborg kauri vuw ac nz \( alex \) writes believe persistence overcomes even best copy protection schemes would expect cd rom software would even need copy protection program cd rom would fit onto hard drive , impossible average \( even average \) user write cd rom , copies software \( still work \) could never made hmmm think creative tsr , maybe disk swapping could used simulate files single disk would need disks though alex cyborg kauri vuw ac nz external user victoria university wellington new zealand speak one else andrew scott internet tartarus uwa edu au
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject nissan nomenclature \( manual shift bigots wanted \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 18 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) says best auto shifters street \( track \) porsche wont change floor gas turn years back 200sx auto \( guys call 240sx without turbo \) going round corner next thing know pointing backwards ! drivers seemed quite amused \) shaz sure call 200sx call 240 \? curious also nissan \( sp \) 240 called 200 , came turbo nonturbo n't think 've ever 240 turbo curious \( btw , i'm us , matters \) drew
uk sun com \( roger collier \) subject paint jobs uk organization sun microsystems lines 25 distribution world reply uk sun com nntp posting host uk sun com article zen sys uea ac uk , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes lisa alex com \( lisa rowlands \) writes anyone recommend good place reasonably priced bike paint jobs , preferably essentially london area try dream machine , 've seen examples work looks pretty good 're though dream machine quality ai n't used kinetic art great paint jobs n't know still around roger collier uk sun com \( \) sun microsystems , h coventry , england u \( 44 \) 203 dod 226 keeper gsxr1100 list
subject tempest pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) 1993apr22 infodev cam ac uk 1993apr22 ringer cs utsa edu organization computer science dept university auckland lines 27 1993apr22 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes hell , set spark jammer , electrically noisy device build active cage around room , noise signal piped measures totally mask emissions equipment , provide sufficient interference make remote monitoring proposition , best , course , consideration measures may \( almost \) cause certain amount interference systems 's matter balancing security versus convenience problem also cause certain amount interference systems within range device long time ago built small jammer dissuade brother using radio alarm clock something like , enough range cover room however something powerful enough mask \( least \) emissions computer equipment also going knock half radio tv reception n't going make many friends incidentally , older model makes fine wideband jammer grin peter pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz p gutmann cs aukuni ac nz gutmann p kosmos wcc govt nz gen nz peter nacjack gen nz peter nacjack gen nz \( order preference one 'em 's bound work \) everything different changed
subject gamma ray bursters positional stuff belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu 1993apr26 19777 midway uchicago edu 27apr199320210230 stdvax gsfc nasa gov gap caltech edu organization mankato state university nntp posting host vax1 mankato msus edu lines 52 article gap caltech edu , kwp wag caltech edu \( kevin w plaxco \) writes article 27apr199320210230 stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) writes given fact , spacecraft attitude knowledge approx 2 , might able figure well batse determine location \( rotational \) gamma ray burster knowledge sky map 's accuracy pr material three instruments give accuracies order fractions degree , 's help believe fundamental difference x three instruments focusing instruments , , less , form image , positional errors limited craft attitude resolving power optics batse altogether different beast , effectively 8 coincidence counters , one corner craft positional information triangulated differential signal arrival times detectors positional error would predominantly determined timing errors errors craft attitude since none 8 baste detectors independant angular resolution whatsoever , used determine parallax indeed , parallax would add small component positional error demonstrating puppies beyond oort cloud would require resolution order , since oort cloud postulated extend 0 5 parsec \( together parallax arc second , parsec distance object demonstrates one arc second parallax 2 au base line \) 3 degree accuracy reported true , 're going add baste pluto fast flyby get enough baseline beauty baste gives positional information watches entire sky simultaneously , realy handy combination idea next burst coming kevin batse alone n't always used determine position particularly bright burst occurs , couple detectors catch going pioneer 10 11 one i'm getting puppy far enough away , bright burst happens nearby , huge created hopefully intersect line general circle given batse , get moderately accurate position say oh , 2 3 degrees closest anyone ever gotten actually , advisor , another classmate mine , talking day putting one detector one pluto satellites realized satellite alone carrying something like 200 pounds eq well , batse detector needs lead shielding protect , 1 alone weighs 200 pounds decided jeremy
vax5 cit cornell edu subject ibm ps 2 33mhz adaptec 1640 scsi distribution misc organization cornell university lines 11 would like sell ps 2 model 50 , kingston sx ! 33mhz processor , cyrix coprocessor \( cpu fpu landmark scores 46 107 8mhz \) , 8 meg \( 9 meg total \) ast advantage 2 board \( 0 wait state \) , original 20 meg hard drive , fast adaptec 1640 scsi controller card \( worth around 300 new \) software control external internal scsi device i'm including dos 6 0 \( 5 0 \) , keyboard vga drive straight vga \( cheap \) monitor please email directly inquiries offers , return phone via email
amber \( ken beal \) subject tapped , code good organization harris csd , ft lauderdale , fl lines 18 distribution inet nntp posting host amber ssd csd harris com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lawrence c foard \( lfoard hopper virginia edu \) wrote article 1993apr22 cs aukuni ac nz pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) writes article deleted quick reality check real someone invent provoke reaction people \? sounds like sort thing 'd heard , suitably rephrased , leader certain german political party 1930 's sounds like joke \( war drugs always joke \) remember seeing several months ago , marked joke funny things circulate ! kenneth l beal , jr amber ssd csd harris com use os 2 2 1 ! \) often ring bell \? nlp tapes learn keep moving street person responsibility indigo girls better one man gathers another man spills dead opinions mine religion batf approved \? pro ! con progress !
twork egr msu edu \( michael twork \) subject wings news playoff thoughts organization michigan state university lines 12 reply twork egr msu edu \( michael twork \) nntp posting host frith egr msu edu originator twork frith egr msu edu roots detroit would valuable asset wings perhaps rangers could get zombo return \? wake smell norris ! ! rick zombo traded blues vince \( sp \? \) last season mike
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject u government technolgy investment organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 44 people criticize big government projects rarely seem consistent view role government science technology basically , u government gotten role supporting research private industry finds expensive long term \( historically , role u gov't forced upon socialism countries order u industries compete government subsidized foreign competitors , u gov't taken role big ticket long lead r \) republican , abhor necessity government involve technology way believe market forces drive technology , world would better place whole world would implement concept simultaneously , countries would subsidized r , others would u must subsidize everybody else \( sounds lot like farm subsidies arguments behind gatt negotiations , n't \? \) role government subsidies antithetical cost effectiveness general idea spend money new technology , thereby maintain promote technological culture , despite forces business world \( like dreaded quarterly earnings report \) ability u industry invest new technology since goal spend money , makes little sense try save money course , could always spend money wisely , everybody disagrees wisdom 's interesting note best tools cost control available industry today derived government projects charts , cp , modern scheduling software comes dod projects contractors construction industry taken tools core businesses every large construction project uses tools ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 scientist discover new star , cannot make one would ask engineer gordon l , american engineer , 1969
jhunix hcf jhu edu \( andrew e \) subject camden yards organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 18 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article 1993apr23 uvm edu med uvm edu \( eddy \) writes anyone know get tickets see birds camden yards specifically , anyone confidence particular ticket agencies new england new york area fair prices \? tickets hard get , even box office camden yards really want see game \( go school baltimore \) , price issue tickets go 15 , willing go high 20 25 really want come men go crazy andrew something , dark sticky congregations \( 410 \) 516 time 's getting strong get better sting way dealing feeling one one peter gabriel ca n't go like long
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject people become atheists \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 88 article may 11 02 37 42 1993 athos rutgers edu muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) writes lot stuff deleted i'm focusing one point well , got strong atheist , feel lack evidence , especially something like omnipotent , implies lack existence however , n't met strong atheist yet said nothing could ever persuade call seeker like , n't weak atheism ignore , though atheists simply say n't believe god rather position believe god \( \) exist weak atheist , atheism disbelieve , n't actively believe atheism \( think confusing , try figuring difference protestants methodists atheist point view \) i'm little confused difference weak atheism , put , agnosticism agnosticism believing necessarily anything , \? used agnostic \( definition \) weak atheism includes necessarily believing god , guess one \? \? \? actually hard time understanding people ever decide believe constantly state self examination , would appear many others well \( including atheists , course 'd assume 's 're ! \) guess people n't really consider important think answers life , universe everything comment \? wondering another fallacy many theists seem , everyone believes something \( followed everyone faith something \) guess \? atheism ends moment i'm shown proof god 's existence really much ask \? tough call , things seem based faith wish could help , already tried someone self professed agnostic thinking becoming christian , n't work well ! especially tough i'm still whether believe miracles \( looks like another email coming \) wish best luck , please post find told find faith intellectually dishonest note speak find faith honest , show hmm , \? guess really n't understand times , course , say course absolutely way knowing believe true except satisfaction sense peace get course could psychological somehow live anyway mean \? proof believe god spoke could course imagination odd thing , though , n't point start believing something , gets sort ridiculous maybe 's question draw line unable reconcile far maybe 's i'm broken \? tell invisible living garden take word accept , fundamentally different mind really would like know think ask proof assertion god exists logical physical proofs , please 'll discuss nature god 'll add one question read pascal \? think \? also may \( may \) interested surprised joy 'd interested knowing think , sarcasm intended \( say one never know one 's written words interpreted interested converting , since n't seem whatever would take proof i'm interested learning \) garlic toast forever , like max \( bob \) muir cheers , vera give everything disclaimer course n't agree sweet everything trent 's \( nin 's \) theology think nine inch nails 's interesting nonetheless noye midway uchicago edu \( vera noyes \)
mcole spock \( cole \) subject organization new mexico state university lines 3 nntp posting host spock nmsu edu anyone know get schematic micro stepping circuit \? help would appreciated mcole nmsu edu
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject thoughts organization distribution na lines 26 article kmr4 1718 po cwru edu , kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes article cbnewsj cb att com decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) writes r us thing trademarked n't know charles lazarus dead alive , 'd careful , name like lazarus , might rise start lawsuit r us trademarked , backwards r us , believe yup , think 're right mistake , make r backwards using computer keyboard \? 'll bet gods know \( alt atheism , \) tell , r start coming backwards type , 'll become believer \( 's asking miracles asked miracle , 'd ask real miracle , like pat buchanan become closet drag queen well maybe would n't miraculous , think 'd look fabulous feather hat like mia farrow wore \) dean kaflowitz
galaxy nsc com \( james lu \) subject make illuminating thing \? nntp posting host nsc com organization national semiconductor , santa clara distribution usa lines 14 hobby shop , sell flexible tube \( 1 4 inch diameter , 18 inch ling \) illuminate bend shake \( also sold amusement parks evenings \) brightness last 2 4 hours left \( coldness \) , prolong life illumination something make easily \? , know reading provide details stuff \? working kids , would nice project minimum budget
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject wiretapping reality today organization dsi uscrpac lines 22 article shelley u washington edu stein2 u washington edu \( jamie \) writes trust government problem members mr sternlight 's generation trust government degree members generation find ridiculous would suggest mr sternlight read cointelpro program , j edgar hoover , read history hoover stopped nixon 's cointelpro dead tracks said unconstitutional tried get around every way could despite things may done , alone , hoover saved constitution david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject moa members , another letter read ! nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 19 article 1993apr21 ra msstate edu vech ra msstate edu \( craig vechorik \) writes k , read , think , trust know cecil king , editor befor douglass , pres candidate let draw conclusions n't know either , think see problem 've got cecil king douglass need king cecil adams maybe rodney king cecil \? jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
tthiel cs uiuc edu \( terry thiel \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 23 scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine 's recommending centris 610 anybody says consider centris 650 iivx \( would recommend iivx lciii n't know , 's said \) , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? 610 working great n't heard problems sounds like dealer n't know 's talking 's pretty irresponsible centris 610 basis problems one machine recommending iivx lciii n't make lot sense either person convinced 610 buggy talked apple assuming 's problem \? terry
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wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) subject pre pc case power supplies csa ul fcc stuff organization \( space rent \) nntp posting host valve heart rri uwo ca lines 11 kind csa ul fcc approval 60 mail order pc computer cases power supplies \? assume certification process small scale custom hardware \( ie digital analog circuitry \) reduced , even eliminated , use case \( certified \) power supply \? also , assuming use certified power supply , satisfied requirements csa ul approval , possibly fcc approval well \? mail order pc cases satisfy fcc certification \? fcc certification even necessary scientific \( non commercial non residential \) use \?
musicb mcgill ca subject upgrading pb100 \? lines 9 nntp posting host vm1 mcgill ca organization mcgill university read recent tidbits \( 171 2 \? \) possibility putting 68030 pb100 interested , would like know involve replacing 68000 daughterboard , involve getting new daughter board also , would 68030 able run qt pb100 's screen \( pretty know , possible \? \) course , would damage \( \) info would appreciated thanks advance jay
george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) subject keyless entry distribution world organization goucher college , towson , md reply george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) lines 24 bruce james writes without key , though , steering column would sacrificed necessarily maybe sort servo lock something along lines could used acheive effect maybe solenoid type thing george howell ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm p p r r ppp aaaaa rrr p r r ooo p r r ford living american george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
val cc utah edu \( val \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization university utah computer center x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 133 vinci \( filipe vxcrna cern ch \) wrote article 1993may12 hal com , hal com \( bob pendleton \) writes article 1993may7 pony ingres com , ingres com \( mike \( muck \) meyer \) article 1993may7 hal com hal com \( bob pendleton \) writes getting pretty silly first , hacker obsolete term n't matter used mean , today means thief means thief want mean , means lots context omitted \) anyway , say joe hacker english speaking people know word 'll probably think either poor bad carpenter people think good clever programmer \) chose call term means thief n't surprised people think thief even n't agree definition word narrower view hacker , associated computing environment , dishonest expert widespread , i'm opinion , least people involved field imho wider meaning obsolete , matter much lay press would like ! therefore conclude call hacker , somebody perceives thief , person belongs small group computer knowledge , enough know wider \( original \) meaning word unfortunately , general public narrow view deep , dark recesses art computing little see view given media seen media , 'hacker' proper way refer respected person , hand , know 'hacker' means consider following definition jargon file 2 9 10 \( also known hackers dictionary \) definitions arranged order decreasing frequency usage hacker originally , someone makes furniture axe n 1 person enjoys exploring details programmable systems stretch capabilities , opposed users , prefer learn minimum necessary 2 one programs enthusiastically \( even obsessively \) enjoys programming rather theorizing programming 3 person capable hack value 4 person good programming quickly 5 expert particular program , one frequently work using 'a unix \( definitions 1 5 correlated , people fit \) 6 expert enthusiast kind one might astronomy hacker , example 7 one enjoys intellectual challenge overcoming circumventing limitations 8 malicious tries discover sensitive information poking around hence , see cracker term 'hacker' also tends membership global community defined net \( see network , internet address \) also implies person described seen subscribe version hacker \( see hacker ethic , \) better described hacker others describe oneself way hackers consider something elite \( based ability \) , though one new members gladly welcome thus certain ego satisfaction identifying hacker \( claim one , 'll quickly labeled bogus \) see also wannabee hacker ethic , n 1 belief information sharing powerful positive good , ethical duty hackers share expertise writing free software access information computing resources wherever possible 2 belief system cracking fun exploration ethically ok long cracker commits theft , vandalism , breach confidentiality ethical principles widely , means universally \) accepted among hackers hackers subscribe hacker ethic sense 1 , many act writing giving away free software go assert information free proprietary control bad philosophy behind gnu project sense 2 controversial people consider act cracking unethical , like breaking entering principle least moderates behavior people see crackers \( see also samurai \) view , one highest forms courtesy \( \) break system , \( b \) explain sysop , preferably email superuser account , exactly done hole plugged acting unpaid \( unsolicited \) tiger team reliable manifestation either version hacker ethic almost hackers actively willing share technical tricks , software , \( possible \) computing resources hackers huge cooperative networks usenet , fidonet internet \( see internet address \) function without central control trait rely reinforce sense community may 's valuable asset finally , true hacker name one , title bestowed users large , sign truly great hacker introduced someone says , know thing two , people always exagerate \) note definition preclude hacker describing \( meaning \) one , simply says better many know meaning 'hacker' , order defend true meaning word , sometimes necessary borrow reputation known \( respected \) hacker around workplace \( means 'hacker' defined terms well known respected person \) sometimes , may one person matter mr dumpty says , language n't work way actually , get adequate press coverage \) language works anyway want work purpose language communicate long communication taking place , language working include h amiga computer creative mind \( tm \) commodore weber state macintosh computer rest us \( tm \) apple university think , therefore amiga val weber edu ogden ut usa
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject nords 3 habs 2 robbed ! ! nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 90 article 1993apr20 jarvis csri toronto edu yaska eecg toronto edu \( yaska \) writes paul stewart worst biased ref presently nhl robbed ! ! ! ! patrick roy reason game lost , ron hextall reason quebec n't buy roy reason game tied would case dionne kept cool roy stood head first 15 minutes game nords rushing end end kamensky 's mini break tying goal first shot young ot excellent chances stopped roy roy outplayed hextall game , roy becomes hextall hero roy 's team n't make full use opportunities whoa effectively implying player plays really well , up' mistakes used later time ths roy , succinctly put , allowed cheap goal think roy outplayed hextall , perhaps get tape game watch first 7 8 minutes third period nhl goaltenders make great saves , would nhl first place expect particular goalie able make great saves time , even though occasionally required however , comes routine shot like sakic 's , especially crucial time game , n't think legitimate excuses hextall , hand , lot lucky bounces description lucky bounces hextall n't particularly brilliant plays arguing hextall brilliant arguing relatively weak wrist shot outside circle result goal 1 goal timing stank , explosive team like quebec , gave 1 opportunity many powerplay totally unnecessary one goal game less minute go thing 'just 1 defended dionne taking penalty either fact think move led one goal , montreal two goal lead main concern second goal certainly team loss leclair missed opportunities , bellows brunet dionne took bad penalty damphousse lebeau silent carbonneau savard step behind night roy gave bad goal roy , means , singled loss say skaters absolutely true realize game effectively could watch hockey game \( fact , could watch sporting event period \) spend hours discussing 'what 's' w r missed opportunities important final result decided get time soon , 'll watch game email list lucky montreal bounces list quebec offensive montreal leading minute go goalie last line defence , grant extra attention focussed , sometimes without justification roy gave lousy goal , team cannot afford goal roy looked like player industrial league sakic 's shot hextall n't dionne 's goal \? please cares \? value justify one lousy play totally unrelated lousy play \? could hextall critique 'd like 're going assess performance , keep mind made key saves key times roy paid big money value compared goalies still top 5 record , say roy one top goaltenders league fact , agree montreal media quickest heap praise hurl derogatory comments habs better uninformed fans assume referring however , pointed think loss blamed roy said sucks , think 've made regard objective \( informed , fyi \) observations derogatory , really ca n't help dchhabra stpl ists ca
nyx cs du edu \( mark wallace \) subject fj1100 1200 owners tankbag suggestions wanted organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 24 bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article 1993apr20 195116 ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu \( mar marten \) writes looking new tank bag , wondered , follow fj1100 1200 owners , could make suggestions , worked already file apologize asking gladly accept flames blown way ! fj 's large , flat gas tank , 'd imagine almost anything would work personally , i'm quite happy eclipse standard tank bag think thing watch number attachment straps come 3 4 , 4 strap tankbag rear tank narrow fit optimal mark , castle rock , co
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject major views trinity reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 31 article may 9 05 41 12 1993 athos rutgers edu , writes seems middle ages , customary pastors explain trinity analogy water water water , exist three forms liquid , ice vapor thus possible one essence exist three forms sounds like sort generic \( three phases water different modes behavior physical stuff \) certainly seem describe orthodox position course , suppose medieval view water may different , know phases water different behaviors physical stuff different modes , different identities perhaps medieval people know recently , pastor church drew analogy , also found useful woman often percieved others three ways , depending relationship mother , wife employee business clearly modalistic , since three aspects depend solely point view , really represent actual variety within person begin see sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization georgia institute technology lines 17 article 1993apr26 sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) writes ali procrastination lemer gave nhl commissioner gary bettman puck columbia university \( nyc \) spent rest day trying phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat williams , gm , orlando magic kind animals hug hockey player ! nice sig like change btw could post names people going letter \? \( i'm sure others \) would like know included i'm want ! roger fool ! go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
mcgary intellection com \( mike mcgary \) subject keyboard mapping window placement questions reply mentorg com 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 18 29 12 gmt organization intellection , inc lines 51 article 1993apr27 news mentorg com mentorg com \( darcy \) writes two common subjects hope someone deal specific questions 1 question 1 deleted 2 would like place popup immediate right main window want coord , right left sides touching need ask x , coord window manager 's border main window ring bell anyone called \( \) , immediately checking x , move seeing right , next callback asking x , seeing offset wm border help would appreciated darcy darcy mentorg com done , i'm sure used best approach \( although tried several methods \) run window \( using xquerytree \( \) \) get root window , simple window managers slap window root window size root window , sure take account calculations calculate position width height offsets window using \( \) sure take border width consideration remember windows border width outside window , windows x , , width , height must adjusted accordingly give pretty good numbers much space window manager using , place new window , use numbers calculate want place , window manager parent outside place window \( remember correctly \) disclaimer memory , longer code get working several window managers correctly feel free call e mail info mcgary mike mcgary voice \( 214 \) 620 2100 intellection fax \( 214 \) 484 1603 lbj freeway , suite 780 arpa mcgary intellection com dallas , texas uucp intellection com ! mcgary cs utexas edu
mgr hep anl gov \( dr mike \) subject clipper freedom comments news software vax vms vnews 1 3 4 reply mgr hep anl gov organization argonne national laboratory distribution world lines 94 begin pgp signed message gasp ! 've spent 3 hours catching sci crypt \( slow reader guess \) really put comments first , let flame famous dave 's obviously 10 years old cut slack joke clinton crypto drugs slammed thru roof nice job guys ! 've working marijuana legalization 5 years , clinton 's actions far really helped government action taken various groups , developed 64 bit des based public literature protect mailing list boxes critical component , since chose 32 57 based key , cracking des going tough \( reason slows touch key try need use different set boxes , know 's vector , sure makes random search pain \) several marijuana legalization groups mailing lists confiscated people charged drug use sales 's crime member legalization org , watched really important write letter every official personally vote explain privacy destroyed cripple chip amazingly enough listen get enough mail jokes nra postcards real , imi \( illinois marijuana initiative \) grown point seeing changes 's pretty clear really implimentation decision made behind backs vesselin points , common practice communist regimes \( may depending vote goes \) criminals guns law abiding citizens n't , criminals like marijuana law abiding subjects n't , criminals like secure crypto law abiding robots n't pgp nice , time goes better save hides someone posted excerpt 's favorite dude 500 years ago saw clearly people , tried explain princes wanted people obey one section quoted \( 've got prince home , 'll paraphrase \) \) free city way completly destroy failing , must appoint locals high positions accept people 's customs even 100 years oppression , people remember rise overthrow government gave example 300 years thomas jefferson questions watching traffic interesting traffic watched stuff goes overseas comes back stuff keywords like , cryptography , nsa certain individuals known , etc easy enough store traffic know subversive e unseen , 's pretty easy go unnoticed long time stronger crypto system less 're noticed , better chances developing organization truth masses gets thread public encrypted conference 's silly first thing feds send \( like dave \) know 're fun teenagers college students , real world 's pretty pointless crypto useful things hiding get marijuana guns , drugs crypto people government want obey rules says alt drugs live free n't pointed 's people actually live , contrary 's true decision shove clipper \( thing intergraph 's ! ! ! \) throats violates principles u founded , government full idiotic robots called bureaucrats 's less worry one might think really innocent \( read naive \) subjects u hurt , rest us criminals live secure freedom de pointed 150 years ago tyranny majority mediocrity government given see government officials work \( argonne national lab \) level stupidity makes dave look smart patience , persistence , truth , work imi hep anl gov dr mike home igc org begin pgp signature version 2 2 end pgp signature
com au \( greg rose \) subject authentication one time pads \( advanced one time pad \) summary presents one time pad based mac organization australian computing communications institute lines 93 article umbc edu olson umbc edu \( bryan olson \( g \) \) writes one time pad ideal security , well known flaw authentication suppose use random bit stream pad , exclusive encryption operation adversary knows plaintext message , change message 's works alice sending bob plaintext p , key stream alice computes ciphertext c xor p , sends bob eve knows p , wants message appear p' eve intercepts c , computes c' c xor p xor p' xor p' eve sends c' bob bob decrypts c' computing p' , thus receiving false message substituted eve firstly , aside agree weakness exists , lot trouble believing represents difficulty real life given 1 purpose one time pad give unbreakable security , expense key distribution etc , imply clients really want level security 2 people want keep p secret find hard believe eve might happen copy p lying around \( aware argument applies eve knowing even small part message , eve must know exactly \( bytes \) c known starts , result garbled find least surprising \) back question resources use one time pad transmissions , would also append message authentication code message , using next bits one time pad key perhaps original question basically asked whether way authenticate message degree security pad provided , n't know answer however , would propose following discussion alice bob arbitrary number secret , random bits share , eve n't know finds \( effectively \) knowing p corresponding c fact correspond causes problem message authentication code created using one time pad operation eve could know parts mac affected parts input , would unable mac correspond required non linear parts message \( non linear simply whatever n't exactly effect \) , end encrypted message c , alice n bit mac computed follows \( s2 means next full chunk one time pad \) 1 compute c2 p xor s2 , pad n bit boundary 2 break c2 n bit chunks 3 set mac 0 \( initialisation vector \) 4 chunk sequentially set mac mac c2 end process mac message authentication code \( bob verifies mac obvious manner plaintext p , uses pad reproduce mac manner \) non linear operator , rub simplest non linear operator think box , fixed \( even published \) permutation n bit integers , table called , use x x xor practically speaking , think solves problem , eve never sees intermediate output c2 , hence ca n't deduce s2 perform valid substitution also practically speaking , want mac fairly large , say 32 bits , might want 4 \( say \) box , might work 4 byte sized boxes , think irrelevant detail discussion hand first point errors , give pointer literature \? greg rose australian computing communications institute com au 61 18 174 842 standard phrase may
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization texas instruments inc lines 19 1993apr30 bert eecs uic edu zmola bert eecs uic edu \( carl zmola \) writes sombody 's data wrong since mac os , finder , whatever want call n't appear first survey , tend doubt results sombody wrote n't mean correct note two tables n't talk population one fortune 1000 companies favoring platform primary application platform , sales \( everyone , fortune 1000 \) fortune 1000 companies n't lot development mac top platform would expect would explain discrepancy insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
wingo apple com \( tony wingo \) subject new encryption organization apple computer lines 27 article 1993apr22 magic mcc com , croley magic mcc com \( david croley \) wrote would seem one fact government overlooked whole fiasco economic standpoint others mentioned , difficulty clipper chip faces economic one let 's face , average consumer n't care know clipper bad idea perceived need cellular encryption , companies provide one likely , standard emerge clipper expensive \( 25 chip way much \) develope buy cheaper one interesting point coarse rule thumb , figure final price product 3 5 times cost goods \( exact multiplier depends largely economies scale products sell tens millions units year low end , sell thousands units year high end suspect cellular phones middle \) implies adding 25 chip would increase cost phone approx 100 , 25 30 n't think 'll get lot consumer support tony usual disclaimer
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject tapped , code good organization bell laboratories lines 14 article murdoch acc virginia edu , lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) writes article 1993apr22 cs aukuni ac nz pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) writes article deleted quick reality check real someone invent provoke reaction people \? sounds like sort thing 'd heard , suitably rephrased , leader certain german political party 1930 's sounds like joke \( war drugs always joke \) i'm seeking permission repost actual note , someone another mailing list checked archives \( upi major newspapers \) , found mention article
carson u washington edu \( diana smith \) subject question organization university washington , seattle lines 7 distribution usa nntp posting host carson u washington edu ex husband used n't seen long time really good cars know anything \? heard made mexico , course would n't original german 's even true 've mexico n't seen loved , even tho' ugly names one humphrey
hart af mil subject windowing terminal help organization internet lines 63 xpert xpert expo lcs mit edu e g l n f b dennis l hart date 14 may 1993 02 cst hart tel 904 882 dept sas internet \( smtp xpert expo lcs mit edu \) subject windowing terminal help greetings ! several 2000 windowing terminals associated software network able open lat terminal window workstation nodes unable get lat x session work customized terminal security allow lat connections trying invoke lat x session 2000 results following message displayed terminal manager window message area host support x sessions \( host model 60 support x sessions \) opening lat terminal window logging server node , setting display variable follows set display create node lat transport lat trying create follows create term detach fails gives following error message failed find language , xopendisplay \( \) returned null f cant open ca n't open display 2000 using system defaults \( ie default font \( \) , language , \) except security options allow connections options enabling lat protocol windowing terminals things enough allow lat x sessions vms version 5 5 1 running decwindows motif model 60s please help dennis hart atlantic research corporation computer sciences afb , fl
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization university pittsburgh lines 30 article v2110a vm temple edu v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes hostage situation taken place numerous occasions result police trying take place force result death hostages gunmen however , first time 've heard blame landing squarely police country policy negotiating back terrorists hostage takers since encourages terrorists hostage takers richard people risk die hostage situation might considered acceptable scenario storming compound everyone dies \( save nine people \) , including twenty children , outcome must considered failure failure due circumstances , incompetence , negligence \? double talk multiple stories 've seen news coming fbi reno find honest mistake hard swallow let 's hope get stories straight second round questions joseph stiehm
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? distribution na gap caltech edu 1993apr22 adobe com lines 15 original poster wanted know big cat looked also saturday game montreal \( apr 17 \) rockies 9 1 n't paid much attention since left expos stance seemed much different stands erect open , left foot pointing 3rd base i'm wondering recent change stance \? andres one glaring weakness hitter could always fooled curve ball low away indeed new stance , maybe fooled easily \? patience , dennis martinez definitely good stuff pitches andres , hardly fault drilling \( ! \) andres generally start hot cold \? take may pitchers confidence curve ball low away \? roger
mentor cc purdue edu \( gene kim \) subject review 1989 ford taurus sho organization purdue university lines 330 review 1989 ford taurus sho gene kim background last week , bought 1989 ford taurus sho , moving driving 1987 toyota celica st 1975 oldsmobile interested buying sho five months combing classifieds denver chicago every week bought remarkably clean red sho miles 6800 far tell , 2000 blue book still another 8000 miles extended service plan runs one pre 1991 shos , made sure car already refit upgraded clutch pressure plate , well recalled upgraded rotors seatbelt attachments however , sho newer rod shifter understand get 230 ford service center addition , car received full tune 60k miles , receiving new platinum plugs valve adjustment car miles , car virtually immaculate paint job devoid large chips dents , although front air dam covered lots small scratches surprising since miles spent highway driven smaller two door coupe long , bit concerned whether could get used driving larger car surprise , size car n't bother seems nimble celica ! \( comparisons oldsmobile \) visibility driver 's seat excellent , helped mostly small quarter windows , aft back seat door windows front c pillar rear window parallel parking bit difficult , , love size fact , i'm starting appreciate large trunk pack 14 hour drive washington , dc summer ride later review engine anyone even slightly interested shos , interested 24 valve 3 0l yamaha engine disappointed base performance engine 4000 rpms good even reasonable launches second gear , although n't make practice engine revs smoothly eagerly around town require many shifts good since shifter definitely one weakest points car \( later \) performance engine 4000 rpms may , undergoes transformation hit higher revs 4500 rpms , valve opens literally hear feel geometry engine changing twelve valves open engine 7000 rpm redline , treated , opinion , sounding v6 around engine sounds 6500 rpm ! 've noticed drive around town , constantly watch tach see far 4000 rpm go 2000 rpm 4000 , may punch accelerator torque adequate , n't come fully online 12 valves used transmission car driver first reviewed car 1988 , ford put wimpy clutch shifter car remember driving friend 's parent 's sho 1990 , remember thinking whether leg strength drive car traffic clutch stiff back entire clutch assembly sho replaced ford recall 1991 clutch sho feels stiffer one toyota celica fact , friction point seems bit larger forgiving playing shifter car parked , shifter felt reasonable 1 2 3 4 gates 'd expect , shifting action smooth road , 's much shift slowly ! make mistake , 's clumsy shifter hurrying shifts , like initially trying impress friends , consistently miss 1 2 shift , often 2 3 shift , sometimes even 3 4 shift find pretty amazing car like also took several days realize get shifts take time seems obvious , compared toyota friend 's honda , seems atrocious clumsy someone rec autos noted blow shos line incredibly clumsy shifter shift much , shifter seems reasonable play within bounds , shifter works smoothly surprises n't know whether rod shifter upgrade would help along lines , initially trouble shifting gears smoothly , slowing shifts taking care match revs letting clutch helped immensely took several days get hang \( think problems 've never car enough power balk bad shifts higher gears \) occasionally , trouble shifting reverse shifter refuses enter gate , often grind synchros trying get gear 'll watching carefully next couple months quirk engine drops back 1000 2500 rpm , hear grinding noise coming engine compartment terribly loud , passenger definitely hear asked looking car , passengers apparently , definitely sho sound gearbox apparently called gear rollover replies queries rec autos end review exterior mentioned , astounded well body sho stood paint front bumper grille virtually non existent looking older sometimes n't age gracefully , wonder guys ford differently sho bodies body , opinion , extremely attractive matching color body stock odd reason , sho seems different enough vanilla get course , could imagination \) shos get fog lights , open grille , completely exterior , deeper ground back sho relief 've seen couple shos whose owners colored colors black yuck n't think car flashy like way feel almost anonymous , different distinctive enough us care \) interior interior really makes feel like n't deserve car seats grey leather , steering wheel shifter covered black leather , entire instrument panel done black grey metallic scheme instrumentation stock taurus , except 140 mph speedo 8000 rpm tach get center console two , large compartment radio \( great cd player \) , contains yet another compartment , three appropriately sized coin holders \( think \) , compartment holding cassette tapes 's map holders doors , oddly small glove compartment spilled whole coke delighted find entire rubber holder removed washed sink hey , i'm really impressed ergonomics went design 's 1989 , interior upgraded ! bigger car 've need much space \? \) \( smart ass comments , please \) driver passenger seat lumbar side bolsters hear , 's uncommon side bolsters show wear mine exception left side driver 's cracked i'm convinced right way big surprise forgot shos n't normal hand parking brake instead , regular parking brake press left foot bad , i'm getting used , seems bit anachronistic ride suspension nice stiff stiff \? 's stiffer car 've friend 's new 1993 toyota celica st seems still able soak bumps better sho seems stiffer less ability soak bumps driving railroad tracks noisy jarring affair hand , taking turns feels wonderful body rigid n't flex listened bought car highway , ride great drove car chicago back purdue , trouble keeping 85 mph , let alone trying see 100 mph really feels like 's relatively quiet ride , sunroof rattles 've tried find exactly makes noise , seems window rests rails easy way get rid , think past three days , 've thinking suspension wonderful perfect thinking ride way rough \( , mind wonder whether would advise dad buy one \) , 've discovered , shifter , take time shifts , 'll reason complain let explain ride worst turning applying lots power wheels feel wheels traction torque steer making car left right understood , avoid limits traction i'm happy 's body rigidity , car matching suspension , steering feel quite heavy first impression driving sho hard turn wheel highway speeds tracks straight arrow , driving around parking lot , high effort steering n't seem useful however , 's reasonable , n't communicate road driver well 1993 ford probe gt imho , 's much better steering celica st wonder bad car winter \? miscellaneous notes gripes rattles sunroof intermittent days rattles loudly , days look wondering noise went activating sunroof sometimes noisy loud rails wonder quick fix , days completely disappears \( function humidity \? \) made connection sometimes awful feeling suspension torque steer , 've never complained ride wish seats support thighs also , wish side bolsters would close tightly hear tires car get really expensive currently goodyear gt 4s cost previous owner 500 four used hate ford stereo systems whose idea use volume paddle \? , amazement , n't really mind sometimes think 's okay idea ! ! ! pretty ridiculous , though getting 4000 rpm sometimes seems , big deal enough torque low often shifting driving friends took couple days could really shift smoothly 2nd 3rd gear \( hard believe , n't \? \) car almost 93 , 000 miles parents noted almost impossible find low mileage sho observation , imho wonder long make sho last bought book titled drive forever tips department \) goofy parking brake pedal still throws loop parked car gear , accidentally let clutch started car forward , bounced car front paint damage , starting car whole new ritual pedal ! also , began wonder strong brake really \( today , backed parking spot today started drive away noticed glowing brake light oops \) driver 's power window closed way thing happens parents 1989 mercury sable oddly , windows work smoothly likes i'm liking interior amenities day great n't expect use keyless entry buttons much , really handy lock doors pressing 7 8 9 10 buttons together ! neat ! never lock car really feel like n't deserve car really ca n't believe could afford got car ten years ahead schedule \) love car much 've telling parents look buying one love car much wrote 13k file meant write couple lines ended j powers survey used car owners , would opportunity express incredible satisfaction owning car n't like thinking getting another car , point time , i'm sure 'd buy another sho 7000 , ca n't beat \( next time airbag abs , though \) insurance wise , car also big win pay premiums 1987 toyota celica despite nearly twice horsepower odds ends much amazement , sho mailing list anywhere maybe sho registry publication filled void n't joined yet , 've noticed queries shos still appear rec autos month owners shos always quick respond , vocal fans cars \( maybe vocal rec autos \) 've put together responses questions cars , well posts useful information cars 'll posting form faq soon anyone interested starting mailing list , please speak ! n't know resources purdue start one , maybe someone gene kim \( mentor cc purdue edu \)
stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) subject life mars organization unocal corporation lines 13 article 1993may11 438 den mmc com seale possum den mmc com \( eric h seale \) writes ca n't speak russian probes , last heard , 1997 us probe planned air bags \( seriously ! \) cushion impact hopefully , wo n't \( hit go \) jpl san gabriel aiaa session last week showed russian lander single large airbag stitches russian design pretty firm hardware due international experimenters 1 94 proposed 1997 american lander bunch airbags shaped like bunch grapes dropping desert last month may 20 kg mini rover
cs umu se \( \) subject stereo sound problem \( \? \) mac games organization dep info proc , umea univ , sweden lines 35 1993apr19 gallant apple com steve bollinger buzz apple com writes use sound manager work fine machines story developers cheat ! really , absolutely , positively allowed , i'm going say anyway stop cheating sound ! really soon , sorry , even without external speakers disappointed sound future hardware grace period end sound manager understandable , works pretty well work even better soon , use n't silly using sound manager quadra well , using sm low end machines n't simply work decent action game since steals much time cpu fact writing directly hardware se , possible 4 simultaneous channels sampled sound \( \) cost approx 8000 cycles exactly would using sm , pray tell \? correct thing use sm machines carry extra load using sm means , write directly sound hardware machines ca n't 's politically correct thing , point view internet cs umu se tel 46 90 department computer science , university umea , umea , sweden
odin control utoronto ca \( gary leung \) subject fuhr deserves credit \( sabres sweep \( fuhr 's role \) \) organization university toronto , systems control group lines 46 article shelley u washington edu byron u washington edu \( joseph \) writes article randolin 6 polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu \( robert andolina \) writes many people suggested fuhr 's play reason sabres beat bruins fuhr critical factor , would overlook fact sabres finally got scoring people mogilny lafontaine \( khmylev , sweeney , , etc \) indeed , lafontaine played hurt n't score many goals also , team played better defense \( although great \) regular season fuhr deserves lot credit , robert agree also think fuhr 's contribution sabres 's win many team mogilny six goals four games including two goals great comeback final win fuhr left key sabres 's win boston whole team 's strong commitment underdog talent players including mogilny fuhr think grant fuhr deserves credit ! 's true entire sabres team played well , still believe n't grant fuhr , series would tied 2 2 virtually stole games 1 3 sabres games , fuhr stood head give sabres chance win especially game 3 , fuhr made series huge stops third period score tied 2 2 even game 2 sabres 4 0 , score seemed indicate sabres dominated however , n't fuhr , sabres would n't \( 2 0 think \) 2nd period bruins would n't open game \( thereby allowing mogilny score third goal breakaway salt away game \) doubt mind fuhr critical factor victory opinion , neely , oates juneau played well lafontaine , mogilny hawerchuk sabres get extraordinary efforts hannan , sweeney , wood , khmylev \( compared bruins checkers \) however , bruins defense , imo , played better sabres defense \( sabres ken sutton playing regular shift afterall \) difference series fuhr , outplayed andy moog gary go sabres !
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization university virginia lines 12 actually mr x something gain claims account events would respected case point , resurrection claiming resurrection actually happened early preachers able convert many christianity however , read mathew 27 38 \( \? \) case resurrected saints walked around jerusalem appeared many people would realize historians \( josephus one \) would reported happened fact bible speaks events great magnitude would noticed taken fact reported historians could mean bible contains many made stories
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject thoughts christians organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 19 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes know ca n't get physical problems passive christianity , unlike smoking 's hard avoid christianity today , anyway ignore 'em right keith , err , kent mean , n't see smiley \? bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject annual inguinal hernia repair organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines 28 article jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov , jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov \( j porter clark \) wrote synopsis young man hernia one side , repaired , new hernia side gives , asks \? continues course , wife thinks 's sitting long periods time computer , reading news possibility degree causing chronic straining caused bowel movements classic problems supposed looked someone hernia , chronic cough , colon cancer \( 're young \) sitting long periods time computer , reading news good luck surgery ! steve holland well , post accurate people early life hernias felt congenital sack promotes formation hernias hernias later life may associated chronic straining however , risk damage intestine without operation high enough ought repaired risk cancer probably higher general population , since near 40 , would sensible sort cancer screening , flexible sorry misleading info steve holland
chriss netcom com \( chris silvester \) subject production hold '93 firebird camaro w 6 speed organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 30 tip gary \( cc utah edu \) got phone pontiac systems customer service whatever , inquired rumoured production hold formula firebird trans btw , talking dealer bought car got nowhere routed firebird specialist , able confirm fact case first , problem 3 23 performance axle ratio would n't go details , n't know shipped problems , production held simply n't proper parts supplier say , pretty vague , anyone else knows anything , feel free respond supposedly , problem solved second , shortage parts somehow related six speed manual transmission posting , production hold cars claimed part delay wanting use inferior quality parts car , therefore wait right high quality parts i'm positive applies camaro well , i'm guessing would anyone else shed light \? chris chris silvester man capable getting elected president chriss sam com means allowed job chriss netcom com douglas adams , 's guide galaxy
meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) subject h r 893 distribution usa organization n lines 19 article cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes posting text h r 893 8 \( \) \( 1 \) \( \) shall unlawful person pos 9 assault weapon , unless weapon lawfully page break 1 continuously possessed person since 2 date subsection ob ill wind bill prez , least anti gunners closet provision existing called assault weapons die current owners worked h r 3371 \( 102nd congress bill number \) couple years ago , complicated way anti 's claimed drafting error ca n't call 'em lying bastards longer \( time \) gridlock , mechanism ever succeed slowing growth rate big government
pebbles es com \( michael rowley \) subject command loss timer \( galileo update 04 22 93 \) keywords galileo , jpl nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization design systems division , evans sutherland , slc , ut lines 27 article 1993apr26 1189 bnr ca jcobban bnr ca \( jim cobban \) writes read past fail safe mechanisms spacecraft , assumed command loss timer sort function however always find disturbing oxymoron op command something command changes behavior status spacecraft op command course terminology comes jet propulsion laboratory nothing jet propulsion n't know got idea , jpl 's history dates back 1930s caltech professor named von conducted experiments rocket propulsion group graduate students present site jet propulsion laboratory army started funding laboratory jurisdiction untill late 1950s nasa took early research conducted laboratory led many applications first jet assisted takeoff rockets aircraft think explain jpl got 's name , know , worked five wonderful years mike jim cobban jcobban bnr ca phone \( 613 \) 763 bnr ltd bnr ca ! ! jcobban fax \( 613 \) 763 2626
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject ca n't ways news enemy , news supporter organization santa cruz lines 80 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes article darkstar ucsc edu , stephen orchid ucsc edu \? going national media , turn around use support position present \? seems somewhat contradictory n't believe contradictory basis quality media reporting varies greatly based subject hand media proven accurate areas presenting raw , undisputed data one good example would weather page high low temperatures previous day large number locations posting little evidence show error believe true speak physical data , sense pure science speak data revolve around social sciences careful american media failed us analysis complex events , however i'm sure come many news stories left us angry many facts cases come mind invasion panama , war iraq , disaster waco , issues surrounding acceptance gays military , war drugs , many others quite agree cases contain politics , social science information , sociology , etc best reflections group reports pointed , difficult report temperature 98 degrees 60 degrees people believe story bring light regarding new sex survey i'm sure due data article , would venture guess data presented deviate survey , however , think would folly blind faith single 's analysis data particular case , little analysis , reader left draw convictions yes survey presented , according mr cramer , value called median one used makes us believe 1 2 males 7 3 plus sex partners 1 2 males 7 3 less sex partners homosexuals purported make 1 case , majority people 7 3 plus sex partners heterosexual feeling median intended word usage little evidence support mr cramer claims gay promiscuity hetero promiscuity many netters , mr cramer included , often forget american media merely number businesses , 's purpose life make money owners revenues come largely advertisers merely want maximum useful exposure per dollar media like fast food quality food \( reporting \) improve customers demand otherwise , business usual good point tried bring , network news program show , true news media business becomes skewed loyalties lie old statement man \( cannot remember statment exactly \) warns merger business news reporting , obvious consequences master news going serve end advertiser bias news group
wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org subject boeing tsto \( words chairman boeing \) x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 83 games max u washington edu writes response boeing ssto far single stage orbit technology , think better answer two stage approach , talking customers far commercialization , long ways anybody know anything \? really news \? threaten work dc \? \? boeing looking several tsto vehicles carried extensive conceptual studies advanced launch systems time good reference might comparison propulsion options advanced earth orbit \( \) applications \( iaf 92 \) v l e fink boeing paper describes propane fueled tsto launch system claimed achieve aircraft like operational without problems associated liquid hydrogen fuel basically , 's high speed airplane launching hermes type design \( concept also called beta \) laid paper launch least 10 , 000 pounds polar orbit , 20 , 000 pounds space station orbit including crew eight persons life support system design reliability 9995 beta 360 foot long first stage powered two large ramjets 12 high speed civil transport \( \) 108 foot long reusable orbiter mounted belly first stage aircraft , also could accommodate longer heavy payload expendable second stage launch orbital vehicle , first stage takes like normal accelerates mach 3 point , modified burn jp 7 , would shut ramjets , would take mach 5 5 orbiter elv would swing , ignite proceed orbit vehicles would land like aircraft conclusion respective missions estimated total weight combined configuration takeoff 1 5 lbs , roughly fully loaded 225 orbiter stages weighs 400 , including 335 lox propane power two 250 vacuum thrust rocket engines propellants would stored 91 degrees kelvin , propane spherical tank mounted forward 15 25 foot cargo bay two seat orbiter crew station lox would stored aft fink claim key design 's success structurally efficient compact allowed high density fuel paper compares tsto design ssto design conclude ssto slightly lower recurring cost , tsto easier , cheaper , less risky develop , simpler build , greater safety mission n't carry hard handle bulky hydrogen fuel conjunction major use airplane type engines fuel , well inherent self ferry capability , probably system likely provide close airline like operations possible practical configuration , single stage rocket concept shown viable really news \? threaten work dc \? others boeing working tsto designs time expect , similar concept \( perhaps ssto proposed sdio ssto first phase \) examined basis bid first phase spacelifter threaten dc \? \? \? possibly set going studies trying straighten government 's future space transportation strategy mdc boeing \( well firms \) providing data joint study team back dc various factions options attention including shuttle upgrades , shuttle replacement \( called 4 2 3 architecture \) , spacelifter , elv upgrades , various advanced vehicles \( , beta , dc \? \? , nasp , , several types , etc \) nasa dod dot trying put together coherent strategy future us gov't space transportation systems , trying juggle near term launch needs \( like dod nasa \) medium term needs \( including commercial considerations \) , investment risk going leap frog new technologies like sdio ssto nasp beta 's heck problem worst part problem n't n't promising ideas concepts dozens balance cost risk versus real needs near term draft report mid june , final report coming end fiscal year wales larrison space technology investor maximus 2 01wb
mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman com \( mel beckman \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman mbeckman com distribution world x mailer uaccess lite macintosh release 1 5v5 lines 29 article netcom com \( sci crypt , alt privacy clipper \) , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes easiest way user fee clipper chip manufactured makes funding separate government also neat side property chip n't catch , scheme breaks , government back drawing boards , assuming n't prohibited alternatives meantime fact , maybe part official system government allowed move past experimental stage , demonstrate economic viability mass adoption david , disagree strongly issue trusting government , think good idea danger , funding coming asset , government could continue promulgate bad product spite poor acceptance making product pay way \( must private ventures \) would good incentive quality listening , \) mel mel beckman internet mbeckman mbeckman com beckman software engineering compuserve 75226 , 2257 ventura , ca 93003 voice fax 805 647 1641 805 647 3125 observe lot watching yogi bera
ericsson se \( lyndon fletcher \) subject polaroid palette system \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? nntp posting host ericsson se organization ericsson cellular division lines 15 anyone information polaroid palette system appears gadget transfering graphics images film anyone detail like maximum supported resolution types video input \? \? \? \? polaroid market \? \? \? \? \? irregularities handled forces controlling dimension trans heavy elements may used life medium atomic weights available gold , lead , copper , jet , diamond , , sapphire , silver , steel sapphire steel assigned
roland vub ac subject voting system regulations european parliament distribution world organization brussels free university vub lines 64 keywords proportional representation majority europe european parliament election voting ballots britain italy holland belgium germany spain france greece portugal denmark eec ec ep commission summary views voting system use ep eunet politics x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 x xxmessage id vub ac x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 15 00 35 gmt since 1979 , members european parliament \( parliamentary european community \) elected directly citizens member states , members european parliament \( meps \) members national \( \) elected among peers european parliament , every member state fixed number seats , increases less population five years , general european election held , citizens member states choose representatives european parliament next elections due 1994 voting system european elections still differs one country another although european treaty enabling direct election meps requires uniform voting system , every country used system , less one used national elections british meps elected first past post system one mep per district nearly states chosen system proportional representation countries \( france , italy \) meps allowed mnp well , whilst others \( belgium , netherlands \) european parliament working uniform election system members , every candidate regulations comply , regardless member state \( \) wants elected would like know people think following questions 1 think necessary uniform regulations every member state continue use regulations \( european elections \) \? 2 think system majority voting implemented , one meps per district , would prefer system proportional representation \( whole community per state , per region , per district \? \) 3 think european commission \( president \) directly elected , appointed european parliament , joint member state governments \? 4 treaty allows subjects member states stand election another member state residing think would could vote foreigner ideas appeal \? 5 think meps allowed member national parliament regional parliament \? member national regional government body \? 6 european parliament meetings strasbourg brussels meps complete move brussels great majority , political compromises governments member states stick status quo approve think european parliament meet one city , yes , \? please post answers eunet politics , followups automatically directed access group , please mail answer directly post hope many take time post views matter roland b 034 de van universiteit brussel media , en 2 1050 brussel belgium tel 32 2 641 24 15 e mail vub ac tel 32 2 641 24 12 talk vub ac fax 32 2 641 28 61
mac18 po cwru edu \( michael cornell \) subject espn2 tell us organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 26 reply mac18 po cwru edu \( michael cornell \) nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu previous article , huot cray com \( tom huot \) says geoff filinuk \( filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \) wrote comes indirectly al works studio espn hockey text deleted espn contractual obligation show baseball could broadcast ot hockey game next year , espn2 introduced baseball fans watch baseball hockey fans watch hockey n't heard new espn2 new network supposed start \? sounds great ! \( long cable co offers \) usa today says late year question , hockey moved espn2 , game week espn , bunch games espn2 \? mike cornell great many people country today , mac18 po cwru edu fault , sane monty python let 's go flyers ! stanley cup '94 ! oh ! brain hurts ! mr p gumby
subject vhs movies must sell moving koutd hiramb hiram edu \( douglas kou \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hiramb hiram edu lines 22 vhs movies sold moving 6 weeks idea happend people made deal , trying post another message , \( n't mean waste valuable time \) basic instinct 11 00 born forth july 11 00 backdraft 11 00 presumed innocent 11 00 prince tides 11 00 dance wolves 11 00 prices including shipping get 60 00 package deals welcome make offer douglas kou hiram college koutd hirama hiram edu
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 11 rick anderson writes simply assume referring robert weiss one really understands biblical scriptures \? also understand read bible cover cover , examining book within , cross comparing , etc come conclusions robert weiss rick , read bible \? written plain english decide
aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 37 reply aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu previous article , rats cbnewsc cb att com \( morris cat \) says third person 's fbi 's line fires set six hours tear gas injected suppose would fed snipers able witness bds setting fire \( claimed \) tear gas \? actually heard one report claimed infrared cameras saw branch dividians setting fires , 'll excuse yeah sure maybe thermal armored vehicles discussing military hardware weapons , media generally looks like convention scepticism , find quite strange anyone would operating thermal viewer daytime battle would unusual sense combat operation gassing bd , whatever \( infamous bz hallucination gas \? \) , cs merely garden variety military teargas far humane harmless , 've seen teenage boys knock drill flat getting away pretty sure newly born religious groups study fbi tactics build anti armor tank traps make next time ! lot expect idiots criminals confirm paranoids paranoia \? smarter , 'd opinions
marc comp lancs ac uk \( marc goldman \) subject uk wanted vectrex game system uk organization department computing lancaster university , uk distribution uk lines 16 title says , i'm vectrex system one want get rid let know offer cash , possible trades megadrive snes games cheers marc net , one hear scream ! email marc comp lancs ac uk marc computing lancaster ac uk
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject planets habitable organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon distribution sci lines 35 article jpg 93apr27135219 holly bnr co uk jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) writes would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions eg temperature range \( temp purely dependant dist sun suns temperature \) atmospheric \? know nothing human tolerance planetary mass \? gravity surface important , much human bodies take day day also mass effect atmosphere thinking planets 3 3 times mass earth suppose density important well climate etc concern , axial tilt etc etc three factors relate one another dandridge cole isaac asimov collaborated book titled , habitable planets man \( think \) 1964 available good libraries , inter library loan answered questions ask \( , course \) , along many need considered studies length day \( day night temperature variation , agricultural concerns \) , partial pressures certain unexpected gasses \( ever hear xenon \? neither \) , density particulates atm , composition \( ever hear \? much fun \) , etc climate n't global phenomenon probably need n't concern , axial tilt ought plays large part determining severity differences , lesser still significant part determining speed prevailing winds doug loss loss husky bloomu edu
organization penn state university robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu subject let's go buffalo ! lines 15 article andrew cmu edu , william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu says know , never really appreciated ! looks like bob errey 's ring really locker room , everyone else wants one , ! \) correct i'm wrong though , \( net , e mail , n't need 100 rl 's e mail ! \) n't boston 2 0 vs buffalo last year \? boston lost 1 2 home 3 4 buffalo whoever wins game 3 advance simple ! ! ! \) robbie po pgh penguins ! ! ! comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's time record see , wait penguins 7 , devils 0 season win streak possibility , n't see penguins lead , 2 0 playoff win streak strong resemblance dg '89
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject waco inside story \( ap \) \( atf burns \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 24 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) says dear , dear could come could defenders alamo 're clearly missing point typically , might add , doubt would come batf show , start shooting , etc paint child molesting murdering fanatic , call tanks , hundreds automatic armed goons restrict press access two miles away come watch pictures burned women children bosnia cnn , limited two mile away replay fire waco \? huh \? answer
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject marvel x comics sale organization univ florida psychology dept lines 122 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu comics want sell x comic mutant related prices least 30 overstreet price nm condition , bagged backed n't like prices , make offer ! title price alpha flight 13 \( wolverine appears \) 8 40 avengers 263 \( 1st appearance x factor \) 3 50 daredevil 196 \( wolverine appears \) 8 40 fantastic four 347 \( art adams art , wolverine \) 3 50 fantastic four 348 \( wolverine ghost rider appear \) 2 10 fantastic four 349 \( ghost rider appear \) 2 10 havok wolverine meltdown 1 \( epic comics \) 2 80 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 7 00 2 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 50 3 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 50 4 \( wolverine , master kungfu \) 3 50 5 \( wolverine , daredevil \) 3 50 6 \( wolverine , hulk \) 2 80 7 \( wolverine , \) 2 80 10 \( wolverine , man thing \) 2 80 11 \( man thing , ant man \) 1 40 12 \( man thing , colossus \) 1 40 13 \( black panther , \) 1 40 14 \( black panther , nomad \) 1 40 17 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 40 18 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 40 19 \( rob liefeld art , cyclops \) 1 40 20 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 40 21 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 40 22 \( ron lim art , black panther \) 1 40 25 \( nth man , havok , panther \) 1 40 26 \( black panther , havok , hulk \) 1 40 27 \( black panther , havok \) 1 40 28 \( black panther , havok \) 1 40 29 \( black panther , havok \) 1 40 30 \( black panther , havok \) 1 40 31 \( erik larsen , excalibur \) 1 40 52 \( rob liefeld , wolverine \) 2 10 60 \( wolverine , hulk \) 4 20 62 \( jackson , deathlok \) 5 60 63 \( poison , thor , scarlet witch \) 2 80 64 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 3 15 65 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 3 15 66 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 3 15 67 \( mark texiera , ghost rider \) 3 15 72 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 5 60 73 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 2 80 75 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 2 10 76 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 2 10 77 \( b w smith , weapon x , \) 2 10 80 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 2 10 81 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 75 82 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 75 83 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 75 84 \( b w smith , weapon x \) 1 75 85 \( 1st keith art jae lee \) 4 20 97 \( ghost rider , cable \) 1 40 104 \( wolverine , ghost rider \) 1 05 106 \( wolverine , ghost rider \) 1 05 marvel fanfare 4 \( x men ka team , deathlok app \) 4 20 marvel team 100 \( 1st karma miller , byrne x men \) 5 60 117 \( wolverine cover story \) 8 40 new mutants 18 \( intro new warlock , magus \) 6 30 88 \( rob liefeld , 2nd cable \) 14 00 89 \( rob liefeld , 3rd cable \) 10 50 90 \( rob liefeld , sabretooth appears \) 8 40 91 \( rob liefeld , sabretooth appears \) 8 40 93 \( rob liefeld , wolverine vs cable \) 10 50 94 \( rob liefeld , wolverine vs cable \) 10 50 98 \( 1st app deadpool , gideon , domino \) 8 40 100 \( 1st app x force \) 6 30 annual 4 \( evolutionary war \) 2 10 annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 12 60 annual 6 1 40 annual 7 \( 2nd app x force \) 8 40 summer special 1 \( art adams art \) 2 10 power pack 27 \( wolverine sabretooth appear \) 7 00 spider man 16 \( mcfarlane liefeld art , x force appears \) 3 00 thor 374 \( mutant massacre , x factor , sabretooth app \) 5 60 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 16 80 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 7 00 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 50 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 2 80 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 21 00 x factor 47 1 05 51 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 50 52 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 50 53 \( sabretooth appears \) 3 50 57 1 00 62 \( x agenda , jim lee cover \) 4 20 63 \( whilce portacio art begins \) 4 20 69 \( whilce portacio art \) 1 40 70 \( last old team issue \) 1 40 annual 6 \( new warriors , x force appear \) 1 75 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 25 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 15 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 15 00 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 15 00 1 \( bagged , cable card \) 4 20 x men 226 \( fall mutants \) 5 60 239 \( inferno \) 2 80 245 \( rob liefeld art \) 2 10 267 \( jim lee art series begins \) 8 40 276 \( jim lee art \) 1 05 277 \( last jim lee art \) 1 05 280 1 05 281 \( new x men team , 1st printing \) 4 20 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help titles posted n't list every issue title , tried save space geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject faith dogma organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 96 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) writes light happened waco , need get something chest faith dogma dangerous religion inherently encourages implementation faith dogma , reason , scorn religion n't necessarily disagree assertion , disagree reasoning \( faith bad dogma bad religion \( faith dogma \) religion \( bad bad \) religion bad \) unfortunately , never state faith dogma dangerous believe faith dogma dangerous happened waco , missing point branch davidians made mistake confusing message messenger believed koresh prophet , therefore believed everything said problem n't religion , followers n't die faith dogma , died \( , case children , parents \) expressed notion past christians debated whether christianity leaves room reasoning claimed rationality christianity faith dogma christians totally irrational \? irrational respect religion \? saying \? one 's belief christian god make one totally irrational think know getting , 'd rather hear expand subject philosopher cannot christian philosopher change mind , whereas christian cannot , due nature faith dogma present religion , statement general christian perfectly capable philosopher , absolutely capable changing mind faith god belief , beliefs may change would assert atheists would make poor philosophers predisposed believe god , course , may show unfair bias studying , say , religion \? claimed christian , person whose beliefs moment correspond christianity consider person visiting guarding prison prisoner , unless define prisoner simply someone prison define prisoner someone moment prison \? define christian someone moment christian beliefs \? , person free go , prisoner similarly , person constrained faith dogma , christian , christianity prison , eh \? ever heard parole \? read far much subject christian one follows religion based teachings man named jesus christ nowhere definition imply one cannot change one 's mind prison , however , ca n't decide leave one voluntary , two compatible religion like gun n't kill anybody religion encourages faith dogma although n't directly condemn people , encourages use ``just thinking ``just thinking kills people prefer think religion water pistol filled urine 8 \) seriously , though , \( certainly \) religions condemn groups people common target infidel , curious alternately atheist , non insert specific religious affiliation , person different race , egyptian 8 \) please explain thinking kills people \( please state answer waco \) course , humans capable thought , 'd still genocide maybe even mass suicide much i'm willing bet 'll see raise religious zealot bad acne 8 \) way , n't aware mass suicide problem waco jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides far common kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad cs vt edu blacksburg , virginia \( 703 \) 232 6529
markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host elvis wri com organization wolfram research , inc lines 32 zola esd sgi com cj eno esd sgi com \( c j silverio \) writes markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) writes rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) writes 's objective reality lsd sufficient prove speaking one taken lsd , say bullshit oh , experience n't teach perceptions always going get reality , sure ! n't know read anything brain works \? various sensory illusions \? teach accurately reality tricky business 's reality c j silverio cj sgi com well sf ca us last friday , april 16 , 1943 , forced interrupt work laboratory middle afternoon proceed home , affected remarkable , combined slight dizziness albert hofmann mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research , inc purely coincidental
organization university central florida computer services jim jim ucf1vm bitnet subject hummingbird software query lines 11 hello , considering buying hummingbird x windows software ms windows 3 1 pc \( 386 40mhz , ne2000 ethernet board \) would anyone tell using package similar environment happy \? connecting sun sparcstation 10 running sun os 4 1 3 thanks much , jim university central florida
romdas uclink berkeley edu \( ella baff \) subject scam \? organization university california , berkeley lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host uclink berkeley edu jim haynes wants know following scam 's chiropractor stand middle shopping mall , offering free examinations part process involves multiple jointed sensor arm computer says computer sounding voice digitize left digitize right digitize c7 please stand spine neutral position i'm wondering whether n't really measure anything computer voice impress victims , whether measuring something chiropractors think useful measure earth sci med looks like duck quacks like duck total scam since beginning , chiropractor tried sell subluxation problem sell adjustments solution chiropractic subluxation delusional diagnosis adjustments extension constitute delusional medicine wide spectrum chiropractic techniques methods detecting spinal demons unique computer approach attempt device nothing subluxation detector end amazingly show potential suffer vs subluxation silent killer ! john badanes , dc , ca romdas uclink berkeley edu
tgl cs cmu edu \( tom lane \) subject jpeg image compression frequently asked questions summary useful info jpeg \( jpg \) image files programs keywords jpeg , image compression , faq supersedes jpeg faq g gp cs cmu edu nntp posting host g gp cs cmu edu reply jpeg info uunet uu net organization school computer science , carnegie mellon expires mon , 31 may 1993 03 14 50 gmt lines 1034 archive name jpeg faq last modified 2 may 1993 faq article discusses jpeg image compression suggestions additions clarifications welcome new since version 18 april 1993 new version xv supports 24 bit viewing x windows new versions dvpeg image alchemy dos new versions image archiver os 2 new listing monochrome display ataris article includes following sections 1 jpeg \? 2 use jpeg \? 3 use jpeg , stick gif \? 4 well jpeg compress images \? 5 good quality settings jpeg \? 6 get jpeg software \? 6a canned software , viewers , etc 6b source code 7 's hoopla color quantization \? 8 jpeg work \? 9 lossless jpeg \? 10 argument file formats \? 11 recognize file format , \? 12 arithmetic coding \? 13 loss accumulate repeated compression decompression \? 14 rules thumb converting gif images jpeg \? sections 1 6 basic info every jpeg user needs know sections 7 14 advanced info curious article posted every 2 weeks always find latest version news answers archive rtfm mit edu \( 18 70 0 226 \) ftp , fetch pub usenet news answers jpeg faq n't ftp , send e mail mail server rtfm mit edu body send usenet news answers jpeg faq many faq articles also stored archive instructions use archive , send e mail address words help index \( quotes \) separate lines n't get reply , server may misreading return address add line path specify correct e mail address reply 1 jpeg \? jpeg \( pronounced jay peg \) standardized image compression mechanism jpeg stands joint photographic experts group , original name committee wrote standard jpeg designed compressing either full color gray scale digital images natural , real world scenes work well non realistic images , cartoons line drawings jpeg handle black white \( 1 bit per pixel \) images , handle motion picture compression standards compressing types images worked committees , named jbig mpeg respectively jpeg lossy , meaning image get decompression n't quite identical originally put algorithm achieves much compression exploiting known limitations human eye , notably fact small color details n't perceived well small details light dark thus , jpeg intended compressing images looked humans plan machine analyze images , small errors introduced jpeg may problem , even invisible eye useful property jpeg degree lossiness varied adjusting compression parameters means image maker trade file size output image quality make extremely small files n't mind poor quality useful indexing image archives , making thumbnail views icons , etc etc conversely , n't happy output quality default compression setting , jack quality satisfied , accept lesser compression 2 use jpeg \? two good reasons make image files smaller , store 24 bit per pixel color data instead 8 bit per pixel data making image files smaller big win transmitting files across networks archiving libraries images able compress 2 mbyte full color file 100 kbytes makes big difference disk space transmission time ! \( comparing gif jpeg , size ratio like four one details \) viewing software n't support jpeg directly , 'll convert jpeg format viewing manipulating images even jpeg capable viewer , takes longer decode view jpeg image view image simpler format \( gif , instance \) thus , using jpeg essentially time space tradeoff give time order store transmit image cheaply 's worth noting network phone transmission involved , time savings transferring shorter file much greater extra time decompress file 'll let arithmetic reason jpeg gradually replace gif standard usenet posting format jpeg store full color information 24 bits pixel \( 16 million colors \) instead 8 less \( 256 fewer colors \) 8 bit display hardware may seem like much advantage within couple years , though , 8 bit gif look obsolete black white macpaint format today furthermore , reasons detailed section 7 , jpeg far useful gif exchanging images among people widely varying color display hardware hence jpeg considerably appropriate gif use usenet posting standard 3 use jpeg , stick gif \? jpeg going displace gif entirely types images , gif superior image quality , file size , one first things learn jpeg kinds images apply rule thumb , jpeg superior gif storing full color gray scale images realistic scenes means scanned photographs similar material jpeg superior even n't 24 bit display hardware , lot superior \( see section 7 details \) gif significantly better images distinct colors , cartoons line drawings particular , large areas pixels exactly color compressed efficiently indeed gif jpeg ca n't squeeze files much gif without introducing visible defects sort image best kept gif form \( particular , single color borders quite cheap gif files , avoided jpeg files \) jpeg also hard time sharp edges row pure black pixels adjacent row pure white pixels , example sharp edges tend come blurred unless use high quality setting , sort thing found scanned photographs , shows fairly often gif files borders , overlaid text , etc particularly objectionable text 's pixels high gif lot small size overlaid text , n't jpeg computer drawn images \( ray traced scenes , instance \) usually fall scanned images cartoons terms complexity complex subtly rendered image , likely jpeg well goes semi realistic artwork \( fantasy drawings \) plain black white \( two level \) images never converted jpeg need least 16 gray levels jpeg useful gray scale images also noted gif lossless gray scale images 256 levels , jpeg existing library gif images , may wonder whether convert jpeg lose little image quality \( section 7 , argues jpeg image quality superior gif , applies formats start full color original start gif , 've already lost great deal information jpeg make things worse \) however , disk space savings may justify converting anyway decision 'll make convert gif library jpeg , see section 14 hints prepared leave images gif format , since gifs convert well 4 well jpeg compress images \? pretty darn well sample file sizes image handy , full color image ship harbor first three files comparison purposes rest created free jpeg software described section 6b file size bytes comments ship ppm original file ppm format \( compression 24 bits 3 bytes per pixel , plus bytes overhead \) ship ppm z ppm file passed unix compress compress n't accomplish lot , 'll note text oriented compressors give similar results ship gif converted gif ppmquant fs 256 savings result losing color info gif saves 8 bits pixel , 24 \( see sec 7 \) ship cjpeg q 95 \( highest useful quality setting \) indistinguishable 24 bit original , least ship cjpeg q 75 \( default setting \) look mighty darn close distinguish original , even screen ship cjpeg q 50 slight defects know look , could tell 's without seeing original still good image quality many recent postings usenet pictures groups ship cjpeg q 25 jpeg 's characteristic blockiness becomes apparent setting \( djpeg helps \) still , 've seen plenty usenet postings poorer image quality ship cjpeg q 5 optimize \( optimize cuts table overhead \) , perfectly satisfactory preview indexing purposes note file tiny compression ratio original 173 1 ! case jpeg make file 's factor four five smaller gif comparable quality \( q 75 file every bit good gif , better full color display \) seems typical ratio real world scenes 5 good quality settings jpeg \? jpeg compressors let pick file size vs image quality tradeoff selecting quality setting seems widespread confusion meaning settings quality 95 mean keep 95 information , claimed quality scale purely arbitrary 's percentage anything name game using jpeg pick lowest quality setting \( smallest file size \) image indistinguishable original setting vary one image another one observer another , rules thumb default quality setting \( q 75 \) often best choice setting lowest go without expecting see defects typical image try q 75 first see defects , go except experimental purposes , never go q 95 saying q 100 produce file two three times large q 95 , hardly better quality image less perfect quality begin , might able go q 50 without objectionable degradation hand , might need go higher quality setting avoid degradation second case seems apply much time converting gifs jpeg default q 75 right compressing 24 bit images , q 85 95 usually better converting gifs \( see section 14 info \) want small file \( say preview indexing purposes \) prepared tolerate large defects , q setting range 5 10 right q 2 may amusing op art \( note quality settings discussed article apply free jpeg software described section 6b , many programs based jpeg implementations , image alchemy , may use completely different quality scale programs n't even provide numeric scale , high medium low style choices \) 6 get jpeg software \? programs described section available ftp n't know use ftp , see faq article find sources \( n't direct access ftp , read ftpmail servers article \) article appears regularly news answers , get sending e mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers finding sources body anonymous ftp list faq may also helpful 's usenet news answers ftp list faq news answers archive note list changes constantly copy couple months old , get latest jpeg faq news answers archive 6a looking canned software , viewers , etc first part list system specific programs run one kind system n't see want machine , check portable jpeg software described end list note list concentrates free shareware programs obtain internet commercial programs listed x windows xv \( shareware , 25 \) excellent viewer jpeg , gif , many image formats also format conversion simple image manipulations 's available ftp export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) , file contrib xv 3 00 tar z version 3 00 major upgrade support 24 bit displays many improvements however , brand new still bugs lurking prefer bleeding edge , stick version 2 21 , also available export note version 2 21 good choice 24 bit display \( 'll get 8 bit color \) , converting 24 bit images jpeg 2 21 works fine converting gif 8 bit images jpeg caution glitch version 2 21 sure check save normal size saving jpeg file , file blurry another good choice x windows john cristy 's free imagemagick package , also available export lcs mit edu , file contrib imagemagick tar z package handles many image processing conversion tasks imagemagick viewer handles 24 bit displays correctly colormapped displays , better \( though slower \) color quantization xv basic free jpeg software large , complex packages want simple image viewer , try xloadimage xli xloadimage supports jpeg latest release , 3 03 xloadimage free available export lcs mit edu , file contrib xloadimage 3 03 tar z xli variant version xloadimage , said fans somewhat faster robust original \( current xli indeed faster robust current xloadimage , least respect jpeg files , ijg v4 decoder xloadimage 3 03 using hacked v1 next xloadimage release fix \) xli also free available export lcs mit edu , file contrib xli 1 14 tar z programs said right thing 24 bit displays ms dos covers plain dos windows os 2 programs , see next headings one good choice eric praetzel 's free dvpeg , views jpeg gif files current version , 2 5 , available ftp sunee uwaterloo ca \( 129 97 50 50 \) , file pub jpeg viewers zip good basic viewer works either 286 386 486 machines user interface flashy , 's functional another freeware jpeg gif tga viewer mohammad 's hiview current version , 1 2 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip hiview requires 386 better cpu vcpi compatible memory manager \( qemm386 386max work windows os 2 \) hiview currently fastest viewer images bigger screen larger images , scales image fit screen \( rather using panning scrolling viewers \) may may prefer approach , 's denying slows loading large images considerably note installation bit tricky read directions carefully ! shareware alternative colorview dos \( 30 \) easier install either two freeware alternatives user interface also much looking , although personally find harder use keystrokes , inconsistent behavior faster dvpeg little slower hiview , least hardware \( images larger screen size , dvpeg colorview seem speed , faster hiview \) current version 2 1 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip requires vesa graphics driver n't one , look zip vesa tsr zip directory \( many recent pcs built vesa driver , n't try load vesa driver unless colorview complains driver missing \) second shareware alternative fullview , kicking around net , n't know stable archive location current \( rather old \) version inferior viewers anyway author tells new version fullview shortly submitted simtel20 archives time well known gif viewer \( cshow \) supports jpeg latest revision , 8 however , cshow 's jpeg implementation n't good 's slow \( half speed viewers \) image quality poor except hi color displays bad 'd nice see good jpeg capability cshow shareware , 25 available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos gif zip due remarkable variety pc graphics hardware , one viewers might work particular machine ca n't get work , 'll need use one following conversion programs convert jpeg gif , view favorite gif viewer \( hi color hardware , n't use gif intermediate format try find targa capable viewer instead 0 right thing hi color displays \) independent jpeg group 's free jpeg converters simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics jpeg4 zip \( zip 386 extended memory \) files dos free source code described section 6b convert jpeg gif , targa , ppm formats handmade software offers free jpeg gif conversion tools , gif2jpg jpg2gif slow limited conversion gif format particular , ca n't get 24 bit color output jpeg major advantage tools read write hsi 's proprietary jpeg format well usenet standard jfif format since hsi format files rather widespread bbses , useful capability version 2 0 tools free \( prior versions shareware \) get simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip note use hsi format files posted internet , since readable non pc platforms handmade software also shareware image conversion manipulation package , image alchemy translate jpeg files \( jfif hsi formats \) many image formats also display images demo version image alchemy version 1 6 2 available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip note simtel20 internet 's key archive site pc related programs simtel20 , full name wsmr simtel20 army mil \( 192 88 110 20 \) simtel20 runs non unix system weird directory names document refers directory \( eg \) msdos graphics simtel20 , really means pd1 msdos graphics physically milnet , expect rather slow ftp transfer rates simtel20 several internet sites maintain copies \( mirrors \) simtel20 archives ftp users go one mirror sites instead popular usa mirror site oak oakland edu \( 141 210 10 117 \) , keeps simtel20 files \( eg \) pub msdos graphics ftp capability , retrieve files simtel20 e mail see informational postings comp archives msdos announce find outside usa , consult newsgroup learn nearest simtel20 mirror microsoft windows several windows programs capable displaying jpeg images \( windows viewers generally slower dos viewers hardware , due windows' system overhead note run dos conversion programs described inside windows dos window \) newest entry , free extremely fast version 1 0 available ftp rahul net , file pub bryanw pc jpeg zip requires windows 3 1 256 colors mode frills viewer bad habit hogging machine completely decodes image quality noticeably worse viewers 's fast 'll use anyway , least previewing jview freeware , fairly fast , good line help , write image windows bmp format ca n't create new jpeg files , n't view gifs jview also lacks useful features shareware viewers \( brightness adjustment \) , 's excellent basic viewer current version , 0 9 , available ftp cica indiana edu \( 129 79 20 84 \) , file pub pc win3 desktop zip \( mirrors archive found internet sites , including wuarchive wustl edu \) winjpeg \( shareware , 20 \) displays jpeg , gif , targa , tiff , bmp image files write formats , used converter nifty features including color balance adjustment slideshow current version 2 1 , available simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos windows3 zip \( slow 286 compatible version register , 'll get 386 version , roughly 25 faster \) colorview another shareware entry \( 30 \) early promising contender , updated time , point real advantages winjpeg want try anyway , current version 0 97 , available ftp cica indiana edu , file pub pc win3 desktop zip \( understand new version appearing authors finished colorview dos \) dvpeg \( see dos heading \) also works windows , full screen mode , window os 2 following files available hobbes nmsu edu \( 128 123 35 151 \) note check pub uploads recent versions hobbes moderator fast moving uploads permanent directories pub os2 2 x graphics zip 32 bit version free ijg conversion programs , version 4 pub os2 graphics jpeg4 16 zip 16 bit version , os 2 1 x pub os2 2 x graphics zip image archiver 1 02 image conversion viewing pm graphical interface strong conversion functions , viewing bit weaker shareware , 15 pub os2 2 x graphics zip 1 1 os 2 2 x port winjpeg , popular viewer windows \( see description windows section \) shareware , 20 pub os2 2 x graphics zip 0 85 jpeg gif bmp viewer gif viewing fast , jpeg viewing fast huge amounts ram , otherwise speed programs strong 24 bit display support shareware , 20 macintosh mac jpeg programs rely apple 's jpeg implementation , part quicktime system extension need quicktime installed use quicktime , need 68020 better cpu need running system 6 0 7 later \( 're running system 6 , must also install 32 bit quickdraw extension built system 7 \) get quicktime ftp ftp apple com , file dts mac quicktime quicktime hqx \( 11 92 , file contains quicktime 1 5 , better qt 1 0 several ways respect jpeg , marginally faster considerably less prone crash fed corrupt jpeg file however , applications seem compatibility problems qt 1 5 \) mac users keep mind quicktime 's jpeg format , pict jpeg , usenet standard jfif jpeg format \( see section 10 details \) post images usenet , make sure jfif format programs mentioned generate either format first choice probably jpegview , free program viewing images jfif format , pict jpeg format , gif format also convert two jpeg formats current version , 2 0 , big improvement prior versions get sumex aim stanford edu \( 36 44 0 6 \) , file info mac app jpeg view 20 hqx requires system 7 quicktime 8 bit displays , jpegview usually produces best color image quality currently available mac jpeg viewers jpegview view large images much less memory mac viewers fact , 's one deal jpeg images much 640x480 pixels typical 4mb mac given large image , jpegview automatically scales fit screen , rather presenting scroll bars like viewers \( zoom desired portion , though \) people like behavior , n't overall , jpegview 's user interface well thought gifconverter , shareware \( 40 \) image viewer converter , supports jfif pict jpeg , well gif several image formats latest version 2 3 2 get sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac art gif gif converter 232 hqx requires system 6 0 5 later gifconverter better jpegview plain jpeg gif viewer , much extensive image manipulation format conversion capabilities , may find worth shareware fee lot playing around images also , newest version gifconverter load save jfif images without quicktime , best bet machine old run quicktime \( 's faster quicktime \) note gifconverter runs memory trying load large jpeg , try converting file gif jpeg convert , viewing gif version jpeg convert , mac version free ijg jpeg conversion utilities , available sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac app jpeg convert 10 hqx run mac , file conversion , viewing use conjunction gif viewer previous versions faq recommended imagery jpeg v0 6 , jpeg gif converter based old version ijg code using program , definitely replace jpeg convert apple 's free program pictpixie view images jfif , quicktime jpeg , gif format , convert formats get pictpixie ftp apple com , file dts mac quicktime qt 1 0 stuff pictpixie hqx requires quicktime pictpixie intended developer 's tool , 's really best choice unless like fool around quicktime drawbacks requires lots memory , produces relatively poor color image quality anything less 24 bit display , relatively unfriendly user interface worse , pictpixie unsupported program , meaning minor bugs apple intend fix \( old version pictpixie , called , floating around net trash , 's even also , quicktime starter kit includes much cleaned descendant pictpixie called picture compressor note picture compressor free may distributed net \) storm technology 's picture decompress free jpeg viewer converter rather old program inferior programs many ways , run without system 7 quicktime , may forced use older systems \( need 32 bit quickdraw , really old machines ca n't use \) get sumex aim stanford edu , file info mac app picture decompress 201 hqx must set file type downloaded image file 'jpeg' allow picture decompress open machine old run 32 bit quickdraw \( mac plus instance \) , gifconverter choice single program jpeg viewing n't want pay gifconverter , use jpeg convert free gif viewer commercial mac applications supporting jpeg , although deal usenet standard jfif format adobe photoshop , version 2 0 1 later , read write jfif format jpeg files \( use jpeg plug acquire menu \) must set file type downloaded jpeg file 'jpeg' allow photoshop recognize amiga \( programs listed section stored aminet archive amiga physik unizh ch \( 130 60 80 80 \) many mirror sites archive try use closest one usa , good choice wuarchive wustl edu look mirrors amiga physik unizh ch \) plus excellent jpeg viewer converter , well general image manipulation tool 's cheap \( shareware , 20 \) read several formats besides jpeg current version 2 0 8 demo version available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx edit lha demo version crop images larger 512x512 , otherwise fully functional rend24 \( shareware , 30 \) image renderer display jpeg , ilbm , gif images program used create animations , even capturing frames fly rendering packages like lightwave current version 1 05 , available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx lha \( note although directory supposedly amigados 3 0 programs , program also run amigados 1 3 , 2 04 2 1 \) viewtek free jpeg ilbm gif anim viewer current version 1 04 , available amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) , file amiga gfx show lha 're willing spend real money , several commercial packages support jpeg two written thomas krehbiel , author rend24 viewtek cinemorph , standalone image morphing package , , impressive 24 bit image capture , conversion , editing , painting , effects package also includes cinemorph distributed great valley products art department professional \( adpro \) , inc , widely used commercial image manipulation software amigas , black belt systems , another well regarded commercial graphics package jpeg support free ijg jpeg software available compiled amigas amiga physik unizh ch \( mirror sites \) directory amiga gfx conv , file lha programs convert jpeg ppm , gif , targa formats amiga world heavily infested quick dirty jpeg programs , many based ancient beta test version free ijg jpeg software \( thanks certain magazine published disk month , without much notifying authors \) among , , , probably others even heard opinion , anything older ijg version 3 \( march 1992 \) worth disk space 's stored program , trash get something newer atari st free ijg jpeg software available compiled atari st , tt , etc , atari archive umich edu , file atari graphics zoo programs convert jpeg ppm , gif , targa formats monochrome st monitors , try , manages achieve four level grayscale effect flickering version 4 1 reads jpeg files available atari archive umich edu , file atari graphics zoo heard free shareware jpeg capable viewers ataris , surely must \? pointers appreciated acorn archimedes ! , supplied risc os 3 version 3 10 , convert view jpeg jfif format provision also made convert images jpeg , although must done rather double clicking recent versions \( since 7 11 \) shareware program translator handle jpeg , along 30 image formats older versions found archimedes bboards , current version available registering author , john , 31 , wj , enschede , netherlands price 35 dutch \( 22 10 pounds \) 's also commercial product called ! jpeg provides jpeg read write functionality direct jpeg viewing , well host image format conversion processing options expensive necessarily better programs contact dt software , , cambridge , uk tel 0223 portable software almost system none fits situation , obtain compile free jpeg conversion software described 6b 'll also need viewer program display 8 bits less , gif viewer fine display color capability , try find viewer read targa ppm 24 bit image files numerous commercial jpeg offerings , popping every day recommend spend money one unless find available free shareware software vastly slow case , purchase hardware assisted product ask pointed questions whether product complies final jpeg standard whether handle jfif file format many earliest commercial releases never compatible anyone else 's files 6b looking source code work free , portable c code jpeg compression available independent jpeg group , lead package containing source code , documentation , small test files available several places official archive site source code ftp uu net \( 137 39 1 9 192 48 96 9 \) look directory graphics jpeg current release jpegsrc v4 tar z \( compressed tar file n't forget retrieve binary mode \) retrieve file ftp uucp pc n't know cope tar z format , may prefer zip format , find simtel20 mirror sites \( see note \) , file msdos graphics zip file also available compuserve , forum \( go pics \) , library 15 , zip ftp access , retrieve source nearest comp sources misc archive version 4 appeared issues 55 72 volume 34 \( n't know retrieve comp sources misc postings , see faq article find sources , referred top section 6 \) free jpeg code provides conversion jpeg jfif format image files gif , pbmplus ppm pgm , utah rle , targa file formats core compression decompression modules easily programs , image viewers package highly portable tested many machines ranging pcs released software noncommercial commercial use companies welcome use basis jpeg related products ask royalty , although ask acknowledgement product literature \( see readme file distribution details \) hope make software industrial quality although , anything 's free , offer warranty accept liability independent jpeg group volunteer organization 'd like contribute improving software , welcome join 7 's hoopla color quantization \? people n't full color \( 24 bit per pixel \) display hardware typical display hardware stores 8 fewer bits per pixel , display 256 fewer distinct colors time display full color image , computer must map image appropriate set representative colors process called color quantization \( something misnomer , color selection would better term 're stuck standard usage though \) clearly , color quantization lossy process turns images , details color quantization algorithm much impact final image quality errors introduced jpeg \( except lowest jpeg quality settings \) since jpeg full color format , converting color jpeg image display 8 bit less hardware requires color quantization true color jpegs even feed 256 less color gif jpeg , comes 256 colors , thousands colors happens jpeg 's lossiness affects pixel little differently , two pixels started identical colors probably come slightly different colors original color gets smeared group nearby colors therefore quantization always required display color jpeg colormapped display , regardless image source way avoid quantization ask gray scale output \( incidentally , effect 's nearly meaningless talk number colors used jpeg image even attempted count number distinct pixel values , different jpeg decoders would give different results roundoff error differences occasionally see posted images described 256 color jpeg tells poster \( \) n't read faq \( b \) probably converted jpeg gif jpegs classified color gray scale \( like photographs \) , number colors n't useful concept jpeg \) hand , gif image definition already quantized 256 fewer colors \( gif definite number colors palette , format n't allow 256 palette entries \) purposes usenet picture distribution , gif advantage sender color quantization , recipients n't also disadvantage gif 're stuck sender 's quantization sender quantized different number colors display , quantize , resulting much poorer image quality quantized full color image furthermore , sender n't use high quality color quantization algorithm , 're luck reason , jpeg offers promise significantly better image quality users whose machines n't match sender 's display hardware jpeg 's full color image quantized precisely match user 's display hardware furthermore , able take advantage future improvements quantization algorithms \( lot active research area \) , purchase better display hardware , get better view jpeg images already gif , 're stuck sent 's also worth mentioning many gif viewing programs include rather shoddy quantization routines view 256 color gif 16 color ega display , example , probably getting much worse image need partly inevitable consequence two color \( one create gif , one display \) , often 's also due sloppiness jpeg conversion programs forced use high quality quantizers order get acceptable results , normal use quantize directly number colors displayed thus , jpeg likely provide better results average gif program low color resolution displays well high resolution ones ! finally , ever growing number people better 8 bit display hardware already 15 bit hi color pc displays , true 24 bit displays workstations macintoshes , etc people , gif already obsolete , cannot represent image full capabilities display jpeg images drive displays much effectively thus , jpeg around better choice gif representing images machine independent fashion 8 jpeg work \? buzz words know subsampling , discrete transforms , coefficient quantization , huffman arithmetic entropy coding article 's long enough already , i'm going say technical information , see comp compression faq available news answers archive rtfm mit edu , files pub usenet news answers compression faq part 1 3 need help using news answers archive , see top article 9 lossless jpeg \? 's great deal confusion subject jpeg committee define truly lossless compression algorithm , e , one guarantees final output bit bit identical original input however , lossless mode almost nothing common regular , lossy jpeg algorithm , offers much less compression present , implementations lossless jpeg exist , commercial saying q 100 free jpeg software get lossless image get rid deliberate information loss coefficient quantization step still good deal information loss color subsampling step \( v4 free jpeg code , also say sample 1x1 turn subsampling keep mind many commercial jpeg implementations cannot cope resulting file \) even quantization subsampling turned , regular jpeg algorithm lossless , subject roundoff errors various calculations maximum error counts one pixel value 's highly unlikely could perceived human eye , might concern machine processing image minimum loss setting , regular jpeg produces files perhaps half size uncompressed 24 bit per pixel image true lossless jpeg provides roughly amount compression , guarantees bit bit accuracy application requiring lossless storage images less 6 bits per pixel \( per color component \) , may want look jbig image compression standard performs better jpeg lossless images jpeg lossless superior jbig images 6 bits per pixel furthermore , jpeg public domain \( least huffman back end \) , jbig techniques heavily covered patents 10 argument file formats \? strictly speaking , jpeg refers family compression algorithms refer specific image file format jpeg committee prevented defining file format turf wars within international standards organizations since ca n't actually exchange images anyone else unless agree common file format , leaves us problem absence official standards , number jpeg program writers gone thing , result programs n't compatible anybody else 's closest thing de facto standard jpeg format work 's coordinated people c cube microsystems defined two jpeg based file formats jfif \( jpeg file interchange format \) , low end format transports pixels much else tiff jpeg , aka tiff 6 0 , extension aldus tiff format tiff high end format let record everything ever wanted know image , lot besides \) tiff lot complex jfif , may well prove less transportable , different vendors historically implemented slightly different incompatible subsets tiff 's likely adding jpeg mix anything improve situation formats developed input major vendors jpeg related products 's reasonably likely future commercial products adhere one standards believe usenet adopt jfif replacement gif picture postings jfif simpler tiff available tiff 6 0 spec recently officially adopted , still vague crucial details even tiff jpeg well defined , jfif format likely widely supported lowest common denominator tiff jpeg files may never transportable particular case people may interested apple 's quicktime software macintosh quicktime uses jfif compatible format wrapped inside mac specific pict structure conversion jfif quicktime jpeg pretty straightforward , several mac programs available \( see mac portion section 6a \) editor handles binary files , strip quicktime jpeg pict jfif hand see section 11 details another particular case handmade software 's programs \( gif2jpg jpg2gif image alchemy \) programs capable reading writing jfif format default , though , write proprietary format developed hsi format readable non hsi programs used usenet postings use j switch get jfif output \( applies old versions programs current releases emit jfif format default still careful post hsi format files , unless want get flamed people non pc platforms \) 11 recognize file format , \? alleged jpeg file software wo n't read , 's likely hsi format proprietary jpeg based format tell first bytes file 1 jfif standard file start characters \( hex \) ff d8 ff e0 , followed two variable bytes \( often hex 00 10 \) , followed 'jfif' 2 see ff d8 start , rest , may raw jpeg file probably jfif software 's worth try , anyway 3 hsi files start 're luck unless hsi software portions file may look like plain jpeg data , wo n't decompress properly non hsi programs 4 macintosh pict file , jpeg compressed , couple hundred bytes header followed jfif header \( scan 'jfif' \) strip everything ff d8 able read 5 anything else 's proprietary format , jpeg lucky , file may consist header raw jpeg data stream identify start jpeg data stream \( look ff d8 \) , try stripping everything uuencoded usenet postings , characteristic jfif pattern begin line c x whereas uuencoded hsi files start begin line ' learn check former , save trouble downloading non jfif files 12 arithmetic coding \? jpeg spec defines two different back end modules final output compressed data either huffman coding arithmetic coding allowed choice impact image quality , arithmetic coding usually produces smaller compressed file typical images , arithmetic coding produces file 5 10 percent smaller huffman coding \( file size numbers previously cited huffman coding \) unfortunately , particular variant arithmetic coding specified jpeg standard subject patents owned ibm , , mitsubishi thus cannot legally use arithmetic coding unless obtain licenses companies \( fair use doctrine allows people implement test algorithm , actually storing images dubious best \) least short run , recommend people worry arithmetic coding space savings n't great enough justify potential legal hassles particular , arithmetic coding used images exchanged usenet small chance legal situation may change future stay tuned details 13 loss accumulate repeated compression decompression \? would nice , compressed image jpeg , could decompress , manipulate \( crop border , say \) , recompress without image degradation beyond lost initially unfortunately case general , altered image loses information , though usually much lost first time around next best thing would decompress image recompress without changing loss , e , get identical jpeg file even true least , current free jpeg software 's essentially problem accumulation roundoff error repeatedly compress decompress , image eventually degrade see visible changes first generation output \( usually takes many cycles get visible change \) one things list see accumulation error avoided limited , optimistic case , could possibly guaranteed would compressing unmodified full color output djpeg , original quality setting , would introduce loss even simple changes cropping border could cause roundoff error degradation \( 're wondering , 's pixel block boundaries move cropped 16 pixels , might safe , 's mighty limited capability ! \) bottom line jpeg useful format archival storage transmission images , n't want use intermediate format sequences image manipulation steps use lossless format \( ppm , rle , tiff , etc \) working image , jpeg ready file away aside avoiding degradation , save lot compression decompression time way \) 14 rules thumb converting gif images jpeg \? stated earlier , lose amount image information convert existing gif image jpeg obtain original full color data gif made , 's far better make jpeg need save space gif work , suggestions getting maximum space savings minimum loss quality first rule converting gif library look jpeg , make sure happy , throwing away corresponding gif give chance conversion higher quality setting necessary gifs may better left gifs , explained section 3 particular , cartoon type gifs sixteen fewer colors n't convert well may find jpeg file reasonable quality larger gif \( check sizes \) experience date suggests large , high visual quality gifs best candidates conversion jpeg chew storage offer potential savings , convert jpeg least degradation n't waste time converting gif much 100 kbytes also , n't expect jpeg files converted gifs small created directly full color originals maintain image quality may let converted files much twice big straight jpeg files would \( e , shoot 1 2 1 3rd size gif file , 1 4th suggested earlier comparisons \) many people developed odd habit putting large constant color border around gif image useless , nearly free terms storage cost gif files free jpeg files , sharp border boundary create visible artifacts \( ghost edges \) favor crop border jpeging \( x windows system , xv 's manual automatic cropping functions painless way \) cjpeg 's default q setting 75 appropriate full color input , gif inputs , q settings 85 95 often seem necessary avoid image degradation \( apply smoothing suggested , higher q setting may necessary \) color gifs photographs complex artwork usually dithered fool eye seeing 256 colors gif actually store enlarge image , see adjacent pixels often significantly different colors normal size eye averages pixels together produce illusion intermediate color value trouble dithering , jpeg , looks like high spatial frequency color noise jpeg ca n't compress noise well resulting jpeg file larger lower image quality would gotten jpeging original full color image \( \) get around , want smooth gif image compression smoothing averages together nearby pixels , thus approximating color thought saw anyway , process getting rid rapid color changes give jpeg trouble appropriate use smoothing often let avoid using high q factor , thus reducing size compressed file , still obtaining better looking output image 'd get without smoothing v4 free jpeg software \( products based \) , simple smoothing capability built try smooth 10 converting gifs values 10 25 seem work well high quality gifs heavy handed dithering may require larger smoothing factors \( see regular fine scale patterns gif image even without enlargement , strong smoothing definitely called \) large smoothing factor blur output image , n't want image processing wizard , also smoothing separate filtering program , pnmconvol pbmplus package however , cjpeg 's built smoother lot faster pnmconvol upshot cjpeg quality 85 smooth 10 probably good starting point converting gifs really care image , 'll want check results maybe try settings information jpeg general free jpeg software particular , contact independent jpeg group jpeg info uunet uu net tom lane organizer , independent jpeg group internet tgl cs cmu edu bitnet tgl cs cmu edu carnegie
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject question eisa video board performance organization texas instruments inc lines 42 1993apr30 828 hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu \( charles allen \) writes article world std com , cfw world std com \( christopher f wroten \) eisa machine understand eisa video cards match performance isa counterparts instance , eisa orchid pro designer iis e fast isa diamond speedstar plus , n't would call fast n't understand eisa video cards n't , group , level performance local bus cards , given eisa video cards 32 bit bus move data around , instead isa 's 8 bits good question answer eisa bus move 32 bits rather isa 's 8 \( 16 \? \) still moves speed isa bus think 's either 8 10 mhz local bus designs also move 32 bits like eisa , move data cpu speed , 40 mhz , 33mhz cpu , local bus moving 32bit data 33 mhz , eisa moving 32bit data 8 10 mhz local bus 3 4 times faster eisa 33 mhz cpu eisa two \( maybe 3 \) times fast isa would expect eisa board twice fast isa board moving data path twice wide \( least \) , difference number clocks required bus transactions two busses isa boards require multiple clocks per bus transaction typically around 3 4 eisa boards suppose able 1 1 rate , would expect performance 6x 8x isa card guess , , question unanswered still would expect able see 6x speed difference , apparently insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject homosexuality reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 19 recently e mail mentioned \( technically , messengers n't even human ca n't case homosexuality even rape \) jude reference sodom also meaningful context lust flesh angels , application homosexual behavior general , position gay christians specious angels flesh \? feel saying lust men , flesh \( world \) \? n't heard much verse christ 's love , bryan
uxa cso uiuc edu \( li \) subject difference raytracing rendering \? organization university illinois urbana lines 8 hello , 've raytraced rendered difference 've found raytracing takes hell lot longer missing something \? later , z
chopin udel edu \( jonathan goldstein \) subject isles ! ! ! ! ! ! nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 21 watch come isles ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! said would n't make playoffs came third said caps would beat us 're going say 1 1 ratio winning cup 'll prove wrong l e g l n e r ! ! ! ! ! ! ! bring back home
cybernet cse fau edu \( j scott \) subject houston mailing list organization cybernet bbs , boca raton , florida lines 4 anyone mail address houston 's mailing list \? thanks advance j scott edu
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject octopus detroit \? organization ub lines 14 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu side note , squid octopi made way ice buffalo still n't understand buffalo , maybe 's lucky \) btw , shovel ice , using shovel used scoop snow zamboni leaves leaves ice although blue give technical directions removal , stick valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
vast unsw edu au \( \) subject experiences dos 6 summary microsoft ! nntp posting host oyster vast unsw edu au organization university new south wales , kensington , australia lines 236 \( trouble posting article within tin week get multiple copies , apologies \) challenge microsoft supporters defend pathetic state dos 6 upgrade distribution long story would make good reading interested knowing potential pitfalls upgrading dos 6 able notice week playing around ti 4000 \( 486sx 25 \) 4m ram 120m disk system bios version 1 03 05 21 92 texas instruments cl vga bios v 1 03 a1 cirrus logic advance power manager battery pro v b6 00 texas instruments smart drive cache \( win3 1 dos6 \) parameters 2048 1024 b windows benchmark winbench \( tm \) v 3 11 02 11 93 zd labs dos 6 , could understand certain things became slow , especially decided try process finding , discovered interesting things disk performance double space smart drive things appear slow time , certain applications appeared run much slower interesting commands like running far slowly consider useful standards suspected double space \( ds \) decided measure impact system using winbench \( tm \) real disk winmark original system \( shipped factory dos 5 3 1 \) became upgraded dos 6 ds thus effective performance degradation 50 percent really surprise knew ds compression must cost something specifically , short sequential reads 512 bytes , ds actually improves transfer rates 10 \( cpu faster , cpu cycles needed ds compensated savings cycles \) however , cases , particularly large random writes , transfers take three times long performance depends type access \( e random sequential , small large transfer units \) , average \( based winbench 's assumptions \) , disk slows half speed tests alone , done \( see winbench \) smartdrv , say much except helps put subjective statements like noticable difference even 'it speed disk access fast cpu slow disk o' explained applications ran markedly slower , \( latter especially \) long double space windows dblspace run within windows , even wanted get information , modify anything , matter even check usage try dblspace dos box within windows see mean error message get narrow minded programer get , wonder yes , information obtained dd add file manager , dll understand compressed floppy ! \( use dos 6 supplement utility create compressed floppy dont know \) dos 6 incompatible ti apm defragmentation seemed take much time even , waited patiently till finished ran confirm confirmation command 120m drive take 30 seconds \( much faster used \) took 12 minutes discovered moved mouse , defragmentation checking ran faster \( figure ticked rapidly \) ti 's battery saver advanced power management \( apm \) module slows clock thinks cpu idle , obviously thought ds defragmentation idle process ! disabling ti 's power saver , operation took 20 seconds programmers think gateway nomad users idiots readme txt file , find following running microsoft backup gateway nomad computers avoid conflict turbo feature microsoft backup windows ms dos , add l0 switch device command config sys loads battery pro file , run microsoft backup , type l0 command prompt checked ti 's manual l0 option , realise means disable power saving features notebook would anyone want run driver disabled ! found , ti 's power management interfere microsoft backup readme txt claims , \( knows else \) crippled ti 's power saver obvious thing apm specifications indeed thing , either microsoft programmers ti programmers dont know read specifications dont guess idiots way , run advance power management utility , power exe dos6 , check status , says power management status setting adv max cpu idle 60 time figure 60 seems steady state value notebook running nothing \( windows program manager form \) mean windows takes 40 cpu , best 60 left useful work \? overhead justified \( whether windows operating system another user interface \) \? \( dos alone , reports 99 idle time \) looks like windows good example busy waiting type package like students study classical example times ! microsoft programmers know batch programming like structure startup script thus equivalent statements like set path c dos set path c etc bin path c bin set path c etc windows path c windows set path path c bcc bin set path path mouse even though new dos installed directory old one \( e c dos \) , dos 6 installation program every path statement , c dos value result , resultant path many dos 's installation program wanted remove old dos path , add new dos path , clearly scan path statement old dos directory replace new dos path \( even done new dos installed directory different old one \) instead , microsoft programmer \( call person one \) decided meddle every path statement autoexec dos value wonder microsoft desparate would fire programmers incapable thought process started thread dos 4 came , microsoft representative singapore called poster fact specifically said us counterparts saw poster relayed information access internet changed one bit fact , path statement path already , obvious statement touched reason \? another example inability microsoft programmers understand batch programming mouse driver invoked set mouse c etc mouse set path path mouse mouse mouse com guess memmaker \? replaced last statement lh c etc mouse mouse com difficult replace lh parameters , without touching rest line , understand dos 6 software quality dos 6 operating system know , , normal usage , end creating file cannot get rid using commands come deliberately cryptic challenge microsoft use programmers catch bug publish dont within week , post create ghost file surely pick bug without even looking using particular command twice , sure two dozen microsoft \( idiot \) programmers randomly banging keyboards week could find told microsoft tests quality products think funny microsoft found ways test quality accepted industry quality cannot tested , built product wonder cannot provide form guarantees products , even decent list bugs prevent scores user destroying disks beyond repair ! also , run often enough , repeatedly disk fully defragmented , may get errors , created got io sys file size error got truncated chkdsk happend five successive defragmentation first one supposedly job new file creation since , dont dare reply poster network admit ds bugs , willing let us know watch already used ds dr cse , cs e , unsw sign paris hotel p box 1 , kensington , nsw tel fax 61 2 697 313 sports jacket may worn dinner , internet vast unsw edu au trousers dr cse , cs e , unsw sign norwegian cocktail lounge p box 1 , kensington , nsw ladies requested tel fax 61 2 697 313 children internet vast unsw edu au bar
ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) subject atari 2600 processors organization macquarie university , sydney australia lines 47 nntp posting host laurel ocs mq edu au article 1993apr21 599 das harvard edu squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) writes atari 2600 used 6502 cpu , like entire 8 bit line \( 400 , 800 , 1200 , 1400 , 1440 , 130xe , computers , well 5200 game machine \) wrong , 6507 2600 extra asic chips basically modified graphics chips pia 's joysticks one chip \( asic sense word understood \) tia \( sometimes known 6526 , although manufacturers list cia complex interface adapter \) tia stands television interface adapter , handles sound , paddles minimal video hardware 2600 possessed also standard ram , , timer \( riot \) , plus voltage regulator \( memory serves \) 555 timer 's later model 2600 might incorporated many chips one , weight machines part count decreased lot years according servicing documentation 2600 change much additionally , think 2600 used 2k , 4k , 8k rom games roms mapped upper 4k 6507 's address space 2k 4k games fine , later 8k 16k games needed bank switching atari \( others \) made much huge cartridges idea much ram work , would hazard guess 2 4k ram wrong , 128 bytes ram riot multiply mapped page 0 \( pseudo registers \) page 1 \( stack \) , also throughout bottom 4k memory tia registers also sat address space 128 bytes ram somewhat limiting , later cartridges also carried ram , interesting atari provided write line cart managed mapping reads ram one address range , writes another , time scheme ate scarce rom address space ian
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject changing oil self keywords n distribution usa organization duke university durham , n c lines 54 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article 1993apr15 dsd es com bmoss grinch sim es com \( brent woody moss \) writes article 1993apr15 8797 magnus acs ohio state edu , sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) writes article 1993apr15 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com \( ronald j deblock jr \) writes avoid problems entirely installing oil drain valve place bolt one cars leaks 210 , 000 miles \( combined miles cars \) yes , someone would problem draining oil parking lot reach underneath , turn valve , forget trip home less likelyhood wrench personally recommend , installing 'special' locking drain plug keep vandals away \) steve worried someone stealing oil also finally decided drain plug welded shut works great ! figure add three four quarts oil light comes every month 's good better old wives tale changing oil filter every 3000 miles works , must say either 've fallen , guys really paranoid ! 're actually worried somebody stealing oil \? c'mon , think vandal 'll \? ! 's absolutely ridiculous ! besides , hard get car change oil \? say experience cars 've driven changed oil , mazda 323 pretty much pain , 've done , n't forget , gets easier ca n't imagine cars much worse mine andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenian genocide 2 5 million muslims reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 60 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes period 1914 1920 , armenian government ordered , incited , assisted participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people race , religion national origin \? x soviet gosh ! ! ! sedar , armenian government \? \? \? armenia n't even become wonder clown mess let 's take sarkis atamian 's \( armenian dashnak \) book , armenian community , pages 97 105 atamian quotes immediate question concerned organization tactics revolution liberation armenia , immediate aim party , attained 1 oral written propaganda 2 terrorism punishment enemy measure self defense 3 creation avant revolutionary groups equipped prepared action nations prepared general uprising 4 organization larger committees constant contact subject central body 5 organization units guerilla fighters , page 105 , atamian 's book quotes armenian constitution means revolution , revolution attained \? 1 propaganda 2 preparation combat units indoctrination 3 encouragement revolutionary morale people 4 arming people 5 organization revolutionary committees 6 espionage throughout country exchange information official bodies journals 7 organization financial zones public collection 8 weapon terror corrupt government officers , spies , traitors , , sorts 9 defense people attacks 10 building roads transport arms 11 wrecking looting governmental institutions many recent armenian terrorist acts turkish people committed brainwashed members , namely , race worshipers dashnag youth organization ironically , , set undisputed armenian nazi , , 1941 \( see atamian , loc cit , page 389 \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( nighthawk \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization university buffalo lines 24 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu course , people seem acting smug probably chain final drive \( , know , less efficient higher maintenance \) probably n't know answer start thread anyway , laz 's solemn assurance serious 'only pull true assertion , whatever hell means doug rinckes drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp new zealand tssc ltd 1976 bmw r100s 1960 bmw r60 1940 indian uh , doug , n't know school thought , chain drive much efficient shafties end story period give shafties much less maintenance intensive ethan ethan dod 682 1983 nighthawk hey cuts hair man \? nothing clears mind quite chong like maxed tach closed mouth contains feet buried speedometer unknown
cunixb cc columbia edu \( eric \) subject movie plan 9 outer space wanted nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply cunixb cc columbia edu \( eric \) organization , , lines 8 i'm looking copy 's last film anyone copy , please e mail \( also , anyone knows better place post , please tell \) eric cunixb cc columbia edu school \( 212 \) 853 ate thing ever loved ! home \( 401 \) 421 seymour ,
pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) subject bob dylan baseball abstract distribution na organization state university new york albany lines 8 reply moakler romulus rutgers edu 's message 21 apr 93 16 40 44 gmt 've never heard bob dylan baseball abstract , curious could someone clue \? phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu
uxa cso uiuc edu \( david j \) subject slick 50 , good \? organization university illinois urbana lines 32 fermi clas virginia edu \( michael davis \) writes chances discussed death already , could someone kept discussion mail direct archive site basically , wondering slick 50 really says also , data support claim thanks info mike davis n't written data know experienced use 50 everything including car idle reduced operating temp 5 degrees havent used long enough test wear , people know farmer lives near used overhaul big least every year every year since using 50 went 5 years without overhaul also friend machine shop past rebuilt engines 200k miles thought time ran 50 since almost new found measuring internals engine showed amount wear would expected 30k miles 200k opinion works beware ! cat disclamer hey i'm student , 1974 cat hungry hell n't need one efi twin turbo david j liscence fly flies uxa cso uiuc edu
mock mit edu \( patrick c mock \) subject gamma ray bursters \? organization mit center space research lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host mit edu originator mock article gap caltech edu , kwp wag caltech edu \( kevin w plaxco \) writes article 27apr199320210230 stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) writes believe fundamental difference x three instruments focusing instruments , , less , form image , positional errors limited craft attitude resolving power optics batse altogether different beast , effectively 8 coincidence counters , one corner craft positional information triangulated differential signal arrival times detectors quite right differential arrival time requires interplanetary get good positions differential arrival eight detectors differ 10 's nanoseconds smaller batse 's microsecond timing capabilities batse , ulysses , mars used technique batse detector full sky field view sensitivity detector decreases increasing angle incidence burst position sky determined comparing count rates different detectors pat
ts ecn purdue edu \( thomas \) subject jack morris organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 38 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes 1993apr20 1715 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes contrary 's statistically impaired , little assholes like , , continent like dirty virus , working destroying glory sport cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time sorry , roger , 're boring time one classic , ! jerk \? people hate \? fun parties \? well ! come roger maynard school ! teach best ! use time honored techniques 1 \) calling people assholes ! 2 \) comparing viruses ! advanced students 3 \) comparing dirty viruses dirty virus , tell clean one \? know , roger maynard school , teach know , ! thanks , roger made evening \) tom
arc cs brown edu \( anthony \) subject skydome tix organization brown university department computer science lines 14 plan toronto area sometime summer \( late june early july \) would like attend blue jay game would appreciate anyone could give information obtain tickets blue jay games would prefer get good seats assume would require going ticket broker paying ticket broker info toronto area ticket info directly blue jays would appreciated \( 'll bring oxygen need \) schedule flexible games candidates \( though 'd prefer see texas \) thanks advance tony
robert knowles p00261 psilink com subject amusing atheists agnostics reply timmbake mcl nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 17 date 20 apr 93 05 23 15 gmt bake timmons timmbake mcl ucsb edu remember , koresh dried sins pass beef jerky umm umm though n't , least rely keep posted 's cook !
mark sps mot com \( mark shaw \) subject dirty diesels \? nntp posting host 223 199 55 11 organization motorola western mcu design center , chandler arizona distribution na lines 44 article gte com , hhd0 harvey gte com \( horace dediu \) writes article nataraja opal12 , nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) writes heard diesels considered cleaner burning gas engines emit less carbon monoxide , hydrocarbons , oxides nitrogen \( co , hc , nox \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions really bugs emissions diesels cleanest , considered polluting banned passenger cars california bunch crap diesel fuel choice enviromental benefit europe 's illegal reason particulates nothing carbon annoyance worst nothing beats diesel cycle efficiency emissions , torque engine durability 's also cheaper diesels fall emissions mythology alcohol fuels main reason considered cleaner better emissions actually measure regulate also contribute additional emissions long determined harmful , suitable control limits defined current evidence pointing visible smog actually diesel emissions suspended particles less photo chemical reaction diesel particulates becoming major concern decreased lung capacity emit \( known \) gasoline evidence mounting beating gasoline engine death , may ignoring effects alternatives anyone thinks diesels great , go spend hours rush hour traffic cities europe diesels awful even burn eyes diesels clean relative current standards mark
pramod stein u washington edu \( pramod \) subject problem r4 release article news distribution world organization university washington , seattle lines 14 nntp posting host stein u washington edu ld unidentified external symbol get wmshellwidgetclass get applicationshellwidgetclass use lxaw lxmu lxext lx11 lxt order proper order wondering changes link libraries include libraries help matter useful highly appreciated thanks pramod
oldham icd ab com \( daniel r oldham \) subject propaganda nntp posting host icd ab com organization allen bradley company , inc distribution usa lines 13 saw cnn independent team examined waco fire reported started inside bds question bd 's claiming 's impartial team team leader wife one batf agents ha ! goverment continues 's propaganda secure line daniel r oldham oldham icd ab com
gaijin ale japan sun com \( john little nihon sun repair depot \) subject personal problems \( , police read \) organization nihon sun microsystems atsugi technical centre japan lines 12 nntp posting host ale japan sun com article earth cs utexas edu mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) writes ca n't haul big around bike boast \? john little gaijin japan sun com sun microsystems atsugi , japan
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject concentrate child molesters \? reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 44 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article avt hilbert cyprs rain com , joec hilbert cyprs rain com \( joe cipale \) writes article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes however , monogamous homosexual male sex rare practical purposes , homosexuality spreads aids clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , fucking homophobic moron ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! iv drug use \? tainted blood \? multi sexual partners \? knew anything \? also spread aids say anything different \? go back read wrote statement homosexuality spreads aids made false fact methods spreading well talking , would dangerous right , persistent boil skin humanity needs joe cipale typical homosexual response yet answer questions challenges statements assume unable \? plain unwilling due lack proof intelligence \? next \? prove wrong put killfile \? lack reasoned response seems typical clayton response clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
scott frost cas org \( scott frost \) subject draw mode color organization chemical abstracts service lines 21 draw object specified color objects varying colors erase without redraw everything else \? 's happening , draw using gxcopy , drawn specified color erase using gxcopy foreground background reversed , erases whatever need redraw items crossed draw using drawn random color nothing resembling requested properly restores color underlying objects erase mode 's solution \? scott k frost uucp osu cis ! ! scott frost bitnet cas inet scott frost cas org personal shrewsbury rd , upper arlington oh
matt dah dsv su se \( mattias \) subject real 3d organization dept computer systems sciences , stockholm university lines 17 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 \( otol fi \) wrote earlier today read ad real 3d animation ray tracing software looked convincing yes , looks like good indeed however , n't amiga began wonder , 's pc version nope regards email mattias matt dah dsv su se love
timbol netcom com \( mike timbol \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 34 article uceng uc edu bferrell moth occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article 1993may10 microsoft com microsoft com \( jim francis \) writes know fact reason many companies wrote os 2 apps ibm paid 'd write app ti 99 4a ti paid advance ibm pay many people many apps stops , development software companies stay business writing apps wo n't generate revenue fact ibm paying allowed stay business many apps selling \? ask wordperfect , borland , lotus , much revenue getting sales plan writing apps may suprised answer wo n't would get microsoft practices , thread would go every interesting point , wo n't dispute , pray tell , know fact anything , n't provided insight source \? think accept fact maybe would gave word , even says knows fact , gain gives word \? think 's lying right \? c'mon would appear employed competition , expect asked sources give front make claim brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu anyway , give word , without naming sources , ibm paid companies write applications os 2 satisfied \? mike
netcom com \( robert casey \) subject cable tvi interference organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 4 remember rightly , set tones piped thru catv systems \( somewheres near fm broadcast band \) cable company trucks listen roam around town hear air cable
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject christian morality organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 107 dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote article ousrvr oulu fi , kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes love god much loves wants seduce , 'll know would probably consider rape course would think would great fun , ever felt joy peace christians speak gaze got believed tried hide fear getting punished something never sure bible hopelessly confusing someone wants know sure god answer end , found following mass delusion , lie ca n't believe refuses give slightest hint existence obviously many christians tried believe \? suggest honestly reconsider reasons believe analyse position fact , amusing note context many fundamentalist publications tell us exactly opposite one examine one 's belief critically 'll tell something left posted group two months ago day finally found faith , decided try one time cycle emotional responses fired , time delusion lasted couple hours told friend phone really works , thank god , think hung admit lied , fallen prey illusion one asks swallow everything , fact jesus warns let ask question beleive learn history class , matter anything school mean 's people told n't want swallow others say right \? used believe read books younger , people told , grew skeptical read learned means use reason student chemistry , perform qualitative analysis mixture two organic compounds lab hated experiments like old fashioned increase student 's considerably besides , twice , since failed first attempt however , think 'll never forget lesson matter strongly believe structure unknown x , may still tempting jump conclusions , take leap faith , assure oneself , ignore data inconsistent still wrong found , , using exactly mechanism believe god mental self assurance , suspension fear , filtering information words , , god playing part life , death , resurection christ documented historical fact oh \? better believe \? dan , many ufo stories much better documented resurrection jesus resurrection documented quite bible seems authors pay much attention wild rumour leave besides , ends gospels probably contain later additions instance , end mark \( 16 9 20 \) missing many early texts , says bible jesus may lived died , probably misunderstood much anything else learn choose believe \? easy believe world exists independent mind , logic reason used interpret analyse observe nothing else need taken faith , go evidence makes difference whether believe george washington existed assume , considering vast amount evidence presented way get sceptical heart say given sincere effort attitude seem must trust , go church participate 's activities ever willing die believed \? liar , know attitude \? try reading bible willing die faith usually remembered heroes , least among believe dan , think i'm lying say believed firmly 15 years \? seems difficult admit someone really believed anymore ca n't go lying blind trust dangerous , another blind led blind god really wants , 'll know i'm willing n't know whether exists looking available evidence , looks like n't petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 28 article 1993apr22 atlastele com , jasons atlastele com \( jason smith \) wrote several years knew really liked dropping \( lsd \) frankly speaking , n't really care fun anyway n't matter every child wife want tremendously greater risk serious birth defects several years knew really liked sex many women could convice frankly speaking , n't care n't care putting one risk \( well future partners \) seems lived fairly background far traditional , mostly working , working , working maybe 's clear indication way lived life produced certain amount anxiety needed released religion one possible medicine stable environment n't still produce situation feel guilt one possible explanation feel burden , n't felt far regards , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
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center policy research cpr igc apc org subject zionist leaders' frank statements nf id n cdp 000 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 11 05 18 00 1993 lines 230 center policy research cpr subject zionist leaders' frank statements following quotations zionist leaders appear numerous scholarly works dealing palestine question urge access original sources , verify authenticity source post finding , adhering truth whatever thanks elias davidsson quotations zionist leaders 1 thing palestinians \( golda meir , prime minister israel , london sunday times , 15 june 1969 \) 2 , however , difficulty zionist dares avert eyes , though rarely likes face palestine proper already inhabitants \( israel , voice jerusalem , london 1920 , p 88 \) 3 settled land , arabs able around like cockroaches bottle \( raphael , israeli chief staff , new york times , 14 april 1983 \) 4 palestinians beasts walking two legs \( menachem begin , prime minister israel speech knesset , quoted , beasts , new statesman , 25 june 1982 \) 5 process palestinians removal poor must carried \( dr theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , 1960 , , p 88 \) 6 must clear room people together country solution palestine without arabs way transfer arabs neighboring countries , transfer one village , one tribe , left \( joseph weitz , jewish national fund , administrator responsible zionist colonization davar , 29 september 1967 \) 7 shall try spirit population palestinians across border procuring employment transit countries , denying employment country \( theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , 1960 , , p 88 \) 8 zionists looked means cause tens thousands arabs remained galilee flee gathered jewish , contact arabs different villages asked ears arabs great jewish reinforcement arrived galilee going burn villages suggest arabs , friends , escape still time tactic reached goal wide areas cleaned \( alon , ha palmach , hebrew , ii p 268 , quoted , conquest , ips , 1971 \) 10 jews must expel arabs take place \( david ben gurion , 1937 , quoted , ben gurion palestine arabs , oxford university press , 1985 , p 89 \) 11 must everything ensure palestinian refugees never return \( david ben gurion , diary , 19 july 1948 , quoted michael bar , ben gurion armed prophet , prentice hall , 1967 , p 157 \) 12 country mostly empty desert , islands arab settlement \( peres , minister defense , quoted david 's sling arming israel , nicholson , 1970 , p 249 \) 13 story danger extermination jews blown justify annexation new arab territories \( mordechai , israeli cabinet minister , al hamishmar , 14 april 1972 \) 14 neither jewish ethics jewish tradition terrorism means combat \( yitzhak shamir , , summer 1943 journal lehi , stern gang , translated israeli daily al hamishmar , 24 december 1987 14 domination jewish agriculture arab workers cancer body \( , israeli minister agriculture , ha'aretz , 13 december 1974 \) 15 one national home palestine , jewish one , equality partnership jews arabs \( david eder , president zionist federation great britain , 1931 , , comp , palestine papers 1917 1922 , seeds conflict , george , 1973 , p 135 \) 16 hope jewish palestine great jewish energy getting palestine \( dr chaim weizmann , first president state israel , excerpts historic statements , writings addresses , jewish agency palestine , 1952 , p 48 \) 17 single jewish village country built site arab village \( moshe dayan , ha'aretz , 4 april 1969 \) 18 people talk expelling 700 , 000 800 , 000 arabs event new war , instruments prepared \( , former chief israeli military intelligence , 1980 , inquiry , 8 december 1980 \) 19 arab leader would never make peace israel natural taken country \( david ben gurion , , jewish paradox , , 1978 , p 99 \) 20 palestine form portion europe asia , outpost civilization opposed barbarism \( dr theodor herzl , jewish state , london , 1896 , p 29 \) 21 deeply believe launching preventive war arab states without hesitation achieve two targets firstly , annihilation arab power secondly , expansion territory \( menachem begin , speech knesset , 12 october 1955 \) 22 last 100 years people process building country nation , expansion , getting additional jews additional settlements order expand borders let jew say process ended let jew say near end road \( moshe dayan , ma'ariv , 7 july 1968 \) 23 british left , jewish settlement , however remote , entered seized arabs , haganah , severe frequent attack , captured many arab positions liberated haifa , jaffa \( david ben gurion , rebirth destiny israel , philosophical library , 1954 , p 530 \) 24 months preceding arab invasion 1948 , five arab states conducting preparations , continued make arab territory conquest jaffa stands event first rate importance struggle hebrew independence early may , eve invasion five arab states \( menachem begin , revolt , nash , 1972 , p 348 \) 25 french could tunisia , said , jews would able palestine jewish , jewish money , jewish power jewish enthusiasm \( dr chaim weizmann , first president state israel , trial error , harper , 1949 , p 244 \) 26 think nasser wanted war two divisions sent sinai may 14 1967 would sufficient launch offensive israel knew knew \( yitzhak rabin , le monde , 29 february 1968 \) 27 pretend egyptian forces 1967 position threaten existence israel constitutes insult intelligence anyone capable analyzing sort situation , insult israeli army \( general res matti , ha'aretz , 19 march 1972 \) 28 broken strength arab legion bombarded , would wipe syria would fall would thus end war , would put paid egypt , behalf ancestors \( david ben gurion diaries , quoted michael bar , armed prophet , biography ben gurion , prentice hall , 1967 , p 139 \) 29 jews diaspora would like see us , reasons , heroes backs wall wish way change realities \( israeli general weizmann , le monde , 3 june 1972 \) 30 let us today fling accusations palestinian arab murderers argue hatred \? eight years sit refugee camps gaza , eyes , turn land villages forefathers lived generation settlers , without steel helmet cannon cannot plant tree build home let us shrink back see hatred filling lives hundreds thousands arabs , sit around us let us avert gaze , hand shall slip fate generation , choice life prepared armed , strong tough otherwise , sword slip first , life snuffed \( moshe dayan , roy kibbutz oz , 1956 , quoted uri , israel without zionists , collier books , macmillan , new york , 1971 , p 154 \)
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eileen microware com \( eileen beck \) subject cortisone shots nntp posting host waldo organization microware systems corp , des moines , iowa lines 9 need information implications receiving cortisone shots allergic condition 've usual skin tests common allergies , reacted none substances last two seasons 've received cortisone shots doctors seem reluctant give two three shots \? dangers \?
eachus spectre mitre org \( robert eachus \) subject keeping mouth shut \( hard drive security \) reply smk5 quads uchicago edu 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 02 33 19 gmt nntp posting host spectre mitre org organization mitre corp , bedford , 1993apr13 magnus acs ohio state edu 1993apr14 qualcomm com 1993apr21 midway uchicago edu lines 29 article 1993apr21 midway uchicago edu smk5 quads uchicago edu \( steve kramarsky \) writes ok , read thread posting 0 02 would add phil 's discussion following caveat fifth amendment applies cases \( shall person compelled criminal case witness \) maybe using wrong amendment someone seize safe containing \( paper \) records , demand produce combination , applicable defense would grounds unreasonable search seizure police would entitled subpoena documents relating specific matter , broad search implied records would unconstitutional case safe , would probably get assert examined documents covered warrent \( sure ! \) cryptographic case , resort would rubber hose cryptography \( would also make good mental experiment use choosing escrow agents would trust proposed agent key hard disk \? half key matter \) robert eachus standard disclaimer use standard disclaimer function message \( text clever ideas \) return better ideas
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject good reasons wave nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 13 article arturo infmx arturo informix com \( arturo vega \) writes anyone else ever caught waving oncoming motorcycle riders car \? 've caught bicycle count \? dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
mike bnr ca subject senators sign top draft picks x xxdate mon , 26 apr 93 16 06 33 gmt organization bell northern research x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 9 reports ottawa today say senators come verbal agreement last seasons first pick 2nd overall choice alexei yashin 5 year deal well senators signed second round pick chad currently playing sault ste marie ontario junior league playoffs mike bnr ottawa , ontario
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject wings win organization university toronto chemistry department lines 47 article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes 's true vancouver make playoffs many year quinn came , years smythe division lot mean lot tougher division norris , also known , division vancouver play edmonton calgary , legitimate stanley cup contenders , eight times year , detroit got play toronto minnesota , edmonton hardly even force league , smythe even mighty san jose sharks , 's fighting words hardly force geez miss playoffs 15 years , even making final four 3 times last five years , everyone thinks period time vancouver improving , everybody norris \( except st louis \) detroit improve keep competition division improve lot get better competition norris bryan murray inherited team little talent really good players , yzerman , burr , probert , \( doubt dispute whether burr probert good \) rest either green rookies washed veterans reason got far years murray came due coaching demers , , least first , got every last ounce effort possible team , even coaching began degrade fedorov , primeau , kozlov , lidstrom , , konstantinov , drake , kennedy , racine , cheveldae already pipeline due devellano murray inherited guys addition yzerman , probert , carson , chiasson , etc number reasons detroit n't bad shape standings wise murray took quinn took , outlined , murray better personnel work outset quinn , exception yzerman one player cannot alone make team stanley cup contender , i'm sure everyone reading agree quinn far less murray took detroit time take advantage devellano 's good drafting devellano given demers request make oates trade , might still gm gerald
hacker cco caltech edu \( jonathan bruce hacker \) subject auto air conditioning without freon rovax organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host sandman caltech edu tobias convex com \( allen tobias \) writes better still , years ago demonstrated cold air system used air called rovax unit worked well , short coming seal technology today \? recall reading posts back , rovax \( \? \) died larger competing cheap r12 systems day probably case bad timing think system would better chance today r12 systems death row , investors may hard come second time jon hacker get os 2 2 1 march beta cd rom caltech , pasadena ca 20 call 1 800 3 ibm os2 hacker ridge caltech edu read comp os os2 beta
info \( paul kelly \) subject bmp format mean \? organization curtin university technology x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 9 andrew l roberts \( robertsa unix2 tcd ie \) wrote exactly windows bitmap format look like \? mean , data stored width , height , colours , bitmap data \? could n't find anything ths user manual , reference material would give information \? thanks , andrew try windows multimedia development kit , file formats defined
koresh dead davidian subject gun control kills 80 organization project glue , university maryland , college park , md lines 10 nntp posting host eng umd edu rejoice ! streets amerika much safer branch davidians longer nasty assault weapons children longer lie awake night wondering next brand davidian attempt shoot rural compound men , women , children murdered great batf , greater good secured rejoice ! second amendment killed
jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu subject lead acid batteries part 2 ! ! ! lines 140 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu organization university louisville article 1993apr25 cronkite ocis temple edu , camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes thought first thread hilarious , goes another post background information happened poor batteries one year , left batteries garage garage unheated left places needed one riding lawnmower \( lux \) one motorcycle battery riding lawnmower 3 4 years old , one cycle batteries new , one around 5 years old upon spring time , discovered batteries dead , needed worked properly , except older ones , replaced halfway summer \( originally stored garage , think remember dad charging spring \) last year , decided bring basement , two parts one dirt brick , concrete brought three , discovered spring , \( 15 days ago \) batteries dead , put charger , charger said amp meter read around 1 , 000 , 000 , 000 \( words , pinned \) internal circut tripped , went batteries realizing still 2 gigantic batteries , also lead acid , decided put charger \( sitting around 1 half years , brick dirt part \) noticed needed small charge , around 2 hours trickle tested using local gas station giving jump starts , worked fine around 25 'em leads believe one several things 1 \) bought really tty batteries last year \( sorta true \) 2 \) concrete something discharge batteries 3 \) enough moisture short terminals room concrete , 4 \) dirt room able absorb moisture air better concrete \( btw , almost waterski dirt room \) ideas \? could aliens , anything possible lead acid secondary cell releases energy \( electricity \) following chemical reaction pb lead lead \( iv \) oxide sulfuric acid produce lead sulfate water standard heats formation 25 c \( 77 f \) various compounds heat formation compound 25 c , mole pb 0 00 65 0 193 69 pbso4 218 5 68 heat reaction 25 c therefore 60 6 per mole pbso4 produced note lead sulfate soluble \( 0 grams per 100 grams water 25 c \) , thus precipitate solution reaction occurring , cathode \( positive terminal \) battery \( almost sure positive terminal precipitate forms , may wrong oh well , n't battery , n't feel like thinking right \) important notice reaction , knew would , exothermic , energy discharging moisture dissolved \( acid rain \) battery , conductive path terminals may form discharge battery chemical reaction proceeds reaction reversible , electricity \( alternator battery charger \) put back battery lead acid batteries must change chemical composition discharge cell necessary reaction non reacting posts \( terminals \) lead acid battery remove \( add \) electric energy discharge \( charge \) reaction exothermic , tendency happen , though quite slowly normal circumstances keeping battery dry good idea , total solution understand lead acid batteries indeed discharge faster stored concrete opposed wood earth \( dirt \) , one recall 's principle , paraphrased anything subjected stress act move comfortable position thermal selected materials thermal conductivity material temperature , c \( f \) \( hr ft ft \) \( f ft \) earth , 204 0 051 natural , across 871 0 077 , natural , 204 0 081 parallel 871 0 106 earth powder \( 100 \) 0 \( density , 18 lb cu ft \) \( 200 \) 0 \( 300 \) 0 \( 400 \) 0 \( 500 \) 0 051 concrete \( cinder \) 0 20 \( stone \) 0 54 \( 1 4 dry \) 0 44 pine \( across grain \) 15 0 \( parallel grain \) 21 0 20 oak \( across grain \) 15 0 12 maple \( across grain \) 50 0 11 note thermal conductivity dirt \( earth \) goes temperature also , 204 c 400 k , values earth powder order magnitude natural earth thermal conductivity concrete around factor 10 greater dirt , 2 4 times greater wood differences thermal conductivity cause battery concrete discharge faster dirt wood instant discharge reaction occurring , energy released , either electricity heat \( thermal conductivity air 0 015 \( hr ft ft \) \( f ft \) \) storage , except trickle passes condensate battery , energy mostly released heat higher conductivity surface remove heat proportionately faster lower conductivity surface thus , perfectly insulated dry battery bottom surface , given battery temperature storage surface temperature , battery concrete surface discharging 10 times faster dirt 's principle comes play removing energy exothermic reaction drive reaction completion reaction normally occurs room temperature , keeping battery temperature requires removal heat produced concrete surface better heat sink dirt wood surface store battery corner poured concrete basement , 3 surfaces removing energy , pulls reaction along also , water evaporates battery , ratio sulfuric acid water tend drive discharge reaction jeff white jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu get pocket protector \? french fries !
stwombly cs ulowell edu \( steve twombly \) subject red sox mailing list query organization umass lowell computer science lines 10 article andrew cmu edu robert ward andrew cmu edu writes friend england looking red sox mailing list know list , could please send mail info \? thank bosox request world std com mail list bosox world std com steve
edu \( jerry \) subject inner tube tyre safe \? organization oregon state system higher education lines 20 nntp posting host edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 speedy mercer \( speedy engr latech edu \) wrote article 1993apr27 csdvax csd unsw edu au exb0405 csdvax csd unsw edu au writes hello dod'ers et al , need advice inner tubes barry manor dod 620 spend bucks get new tire dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student second commend dr speed , get new tire 's like brakes , something n't want take chances waited long take care front tire went flat , 70 mph going grapevine towards instance , would given amount money new tire i'm lucky jerry
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject bmw heated grips organization louisiana tech university lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1113 rider uucp joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) writes bergman panix com \( mark bergman \) writes bmw heated comfortable \? transmit lot vibration \? compare stock grips \? foam grips \? n't grips , looked getting 's understanding grips standard european style grips coming standard 93 bikes \( , , etc \) 's also understanding heater resides inside bar anything would suspect would reduce vibration providing bar end mass n't see would n't work old style foam grips aside fact might cause foam deteriorate something hard belive considering fine 100 degree texas summers someone sold heated motorcycle grips via mail order aftermarket replacement grips heating elements grip wires ran outside bars , grips switch battery cycle magazine tested years ago liked dunno still made might check racers dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 38 dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote article 15441 geneva rutgers edu , loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) writes might visit congregations christians , happen homosexuals , spirit filled believers , go lumping us together troy perry gee , think real criminals \( robbers , , drug addicts \) appear fun loving caring people 's point \? ok people nice \? point nice nice christian virtue point gifts fruits spirit \( fruits shall know mt 7 20 \) manifested among , spirit filled gay christians manifestation spirit among gentiles convinced peter \( acts 10 \) prejudice \( based scripture , might add \) accordance god 's intentions think old saying hate sin sinner appropriate many belive homosexuality wrong probably n't hate people n't n't hate kids wrong either tell right , lie n't admit wrong , n't make effort improve repent , get punished think quite appropriate may want careful think satan working maybe trying destroy sense right wrong feel maybe trying convince know god kind like adam eve story read compare today 's mentality may suprised course whole issue one may satan trying convince us know god may god trying \( god peter \) teach us something n't know god shows , every nation anyone fears right acceptable \( acts 10 34 35 \) revdak netcom com
stephens geod emr ca \( dave stephenson \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? nntp posting host ngis geod emr ca organization dept energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 23 mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes n't know sure work , might try mek \( methyl ethyl keytone \? \) worked getting stickum left shelf paper , available paint stores use carbon gas mask lots ventilation stuff really stinks ! michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi use mek sake wear safty glasses better still industrial goggles small est drop eye blindness reaction non starts results similar mustard gas contamination note mek peroxide form fibreglass dave stephenson geological survey canada ottawa , ontario , canada internet stephens geod emr ca
lhdsy1 lahabra chevron com \( james c \) subject diamond products boycot \? summary diamond policies keywords diamond policies organization chevron , la habra , ca lines 40 article 1993apr23 monu6 cc monash edu au ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \( markfried fellensiek \) writes 're considering buying system , view using run unix \( linux , bsd , etc \) special software , good chance work diamond cards , special software free , like xfree86 vendors sells diamond x drivers commercial , charge due diamond 's propriety attitude 's hardware 's impossible get free information chips \( specifically dot clocks \) without paying , signing non disclosure agreements think need signing \( e paying \) still violates fsf 's policy publically available code made impossible free software foundation provide x windows compatibility cards , diamond n't want divulge programming true , fixes already bought diamond cards linux , example , utilities put card vesa mode invoking x course , means fine tuning diamond cards , least allow 're stuck use linux x agree mark 's suggestion buying video card specialized free software , avoid diamond already one , may fix help james chevron com shortest distance netcom com two straight line ask linux , freely distributable unix clone 386 486
asper calvin uucp \( alan e asper \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization usr lib news organization lines 10 distribution na nntp posting host calvin sbc com article nap lll winken llnl gov ed wente llnl gov \( ed suranyi \) writes , , ridiculous way considered played exceedingly minor role person kills ultimately responsible actions finally , someone seems making sense thread alan
mikec sail labs tek com \( micheal cranford \) subject nature light organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 21 article ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes deleted take light another example two theories particle wave one fails predict behavior light point particle wave \? deleted information topic much date quantum electro dynamics \( qed considers light particles \) experimentally verified 14 decimal digits precision tested conditions i'm afraid case , least physics community , decided consult qed strange theory light matter richard p feynman technically minded 's feynman lectures physics feynman , sands \( excellent 3 volumes \) case closed uucp uunet ! tektronix ! sail ! mikec cranford uunet ! tektronix ! sail labs tek com ! mikec principal troll arpa mikec sail labs tek com relay cs net resident skeptic mikec sail labs tek com , tektronix
deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) subject wanted 24 bit viewer lines 15 hello , thanks people helped problem displaying 24 bit images viewers like xli , xloadimage display converting 24 bit images 8 bit display screen really want viewer make use 24 bit frame screen buffer \( case , parallax one \) thanks advance gilles ps using sun sparc running x11
hpfcso fc hp com \( victor johnson \) subject type spesifications \( cb , vfr , gt , etc \) organization dances hawks lines 17 rec motorcycles , cjackson adobe com \( curtis jackson \) writes article c5sk1d c1p srgenprp sr hp com frankb sad hp com \( frank ball \) writes honda v designates v engine street bike vf v 4 , vt v twin honda hawk \( nt 650 \) \? 's twin , called vt 's took old vt 500 engine stepped make plant hawk new twin fly microsoft nt \( new technology \) \? 've long today cheers , victor dances hawks johnson
b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host utarlg uta edu organization university texas arlington lines 38 article apollo hp com , nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes article 1993apr21 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com , netd susie sbc com \( \) writes article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) writes think david koresh n't solid structure , sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast , n't think anyone really cares solid structure sermon 's deaths 's responsible concern people assume evidence responsible deaths \? koresh nut , okay \? , 'd like see evidence nut , clearly liar said would surrender local radio stations broadcast message , n't said would surrender passover , n't rest story seems agreement broadcast prime time , koresh never even heard played n't even tuned radio aired reason come later given copy grossly twisted transcript i'm certain koresh would think mercy evil coming passover , n't one lawyer 's speculations peter \? j stephen
ingres com \( david victor \) subject windows enhanced mode get 386 icon functionality \? organization ingres corporation , subsidiary ask group , inc distribution na lines 15 recently set windows 3 1 486dx 33 vlb system , n't notice last night n't 386 icon control panel n't remember windows setup asking 386 enhanced mode \( whether wanted \) 've got program bought \( aldus freehand 3 1 \) telling running windows enhanced mode \( looks like i'm running standard mode \) switch enhanced mode without little icon \? issues involved vesa lb systems cause windows want give enhanced mode \? thanks help ! ! david victor
tom carter carter photon cem msu edu subject origin working model new version uploaded cica organization department chemistry , michigan state university lines 20 distribution world reply carter photon cem msu edu nntp posting host cem msu edu 've recently uploaded cica current \( v2 8 \) version working model origin , scientific technical 2d 3d graphics data analysis package windows 3 x working model 2d puts promo message , largely identical full version saving origin files disabled , save ascii data sets produced origin also says expiration date sept 1 , 1993 try may like , ! 's currently pub pc win3 uploads origin zip include std disclaimer tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state university carter bitnet chemistry department
com \( \) subject acceleration sensor \? nntp posting host reply com organization z consulting group lines 23 article walter bellcore com , deaddio ski bellcore com \( michael deaddio \) writes anyone know type acceleration sensor electrical output sort \? would sense acceleration one direction thanx , mike sure , believe analog devices , makes relatively inexpensive acceleration sensor \( primarily use auto air bag systems \) know specs anything else , might give call find info z p box \( 408 \) 441 z consulting group san jose , ca com
cs ulowell edu \( \) subject wanted album organization umass lowell computer science lines 10 looking copy first world wrestling federation album record format pay 10 good condition record original album jacket inserts album looking picture bunch recording studio front back good guy bad guy making faces songs include thousand dances something like please email cs ulowell edu account appears header
luigi sgi com \( randy palermo \) subject braves offense nntp posting host bullpen csd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca lines 29 article 1993apr23 news acns nwu edu casbah acns nwu edu \( michael \) writes 've braves fan long 've watching baseball \( almost 12 years \) say tp preface i'm post braves team made slow starters people amazed braves n't hitting n't n't hitting last year time , year slow mays 1991 1992 seasons , yet still managed go series years well , team different , suprised slow start \? started way past two years , 'll way richmond club makes majors judge offense june july things start average i'm happy reds gotten poor start giants always well early part season , 'll race july \( like last years \) unless bond 's , staff get rocked mid june wow ! really know hurt guy guess n't bother watching games 's already decided \) luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax \( 415 \) 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems , 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view , ca 94039 play , go jail 's law
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject life mars \? \? \? organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 12 know 's wishful thinking , current president , last fall life mars \? maybe daniel goldin , nasa administrator , 24 august 1992 ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 man makes mistakes usually make anything edward john phelps , american diplomat lawyer \( 1895 \)
wout dutentb et tudelft nl \( wout \) subject serious e magazine keywords scientific papers , electronic magazine nntp posting host et tudelft nl organization delft university technology , dept electrical engineering lines 30 ferry writes time 've thinking possiblity starting group scientific articles published \( perhaps summaries \) possible advantages would free fast acceptance online discussion readers would possible one group moderator publishing articles one perhaps without discussion best thing would articles would standard format would make possible print view documents camera ready perhaps postscript rich text format \? start new group \? anyone interrested \? greeting electronics research laboratory delft university technology delft holland yep ! sounds good suggestion sci electronics art \? best regards , wouter
victor inqmind bison mb ca \( victor laking \) subject self destructing copy protection vhs tape \? organization inquiring mind bbs 1 204 488 1607 lines 40 klp doe carleton ca \( ka lun pang \) writes hi folks , borrowed vhs tape friend warning begining attempts copy tape result destroying copy original found unbelievable playing recording two processes however , 've never seen tape sold anywhere n't want take chance even 's small anyone experience kind self destructing video tapes \? thanks advance ka lun pang \( k andy \) lost frequency time unit circ email klp doe carleton ca dod put bluntly , full paying tape playing tape difference whether output goes second vcr tv \( vcr tv reacts signal different story see messages pertaining macrovision copy protection \) order tape self destruct , would circuitry within tape case circuit would somehow magically determine output vcr connected circuit would erasing head actually anything pretty lame scare tactic \( 've seen something similar bbs sysop wanted , could message sent user 's end saying sending code format hd \) victor inqmind bison mb ca inquiring mind bbs , winnipeg , manitoba 204 488 1607
england helix nih gov \( mad vlad \) subject satellite capabilities patriot games organization nat'l inst health lines 20 hello netters , i'm new board thought might best place post question regarding satellite technology seen movie patriot games movies , cia utilizes sats specific terrorist camp n africa photos taken sats stunning ! know sats capable license plates vehicles question camp question taken british sas sas action , cia team watching back langley , va action sas clear appeared relayed via sat action night photography appeared x ray type , one could see action within tents structures camp exist 's nature \? e , uv , ir , x ray , etc ps wrote book patriot games \? mad vlad
grante aquarius rosemount com \( grant edwards \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host aquarius reply grante aquarius rosemount com \( grant edwards \) organization rosemount , inc lines 15 ttrusk mcw edu \( thomas trusk \) writes , say 're atheist suggest proof god politically correct skeptic , better go agnostic , like ! \) self proclaimed atheist position believe god n't claim proof interpret agnostic position beliefs god 's existence grant edwards yow ! yet \? rosemount inc mind submarine ! ! grante aquarius rosemount com
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject wanted police officers answer posting organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 63 csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes potentially cool story stuff share details get verbal warning 146 55 's simple first , first really nice riding day spring bike back together , grab gear , put , fill tank 94 octane premium better head ames , road leads little town gilbert gilbert one stop light , tells something gotten bike back together , thought 'd take short ride check things heading town , went slow pace , speed limit , started leaning around pace everything felt right finally , road straightened ready bit speed grab third gear , open roughly grab fourth gear look much bike , fail notice state trooper following quarter mile behind twist throttle like fool , grab fifth gear 130 , see well 's put back together 146 \( according radar \) noticed front fender flexing bit thus , slowed , pulled road , removed helmet gloves , took kit carrying fanny pack , starting tighten fender trooper pulled hot idea fast going \? precisely , paying attention bike road , instruments got back together last night , i'm testing ride traffic radar says care tell n't give ticket \? testing motorcycle away population traffic , strait flat road , wearing protective gear safety demands \? \( note n't quite eloquent \) say , kind bike , anyway \? eloquent cafe racer replica honda 750 , rat bike yeah , n't bike garage years compare riding stories pack toolkit , tightened fender \? figure every idiot road going look right bike fails somehow zone , i'm dead holds , know work right traffic year rebuild 'll find better place highway speeds ever catch speeding highway i'm going nail everything possibly get sight write ticket yes , officer kid , keep eyes open drives , nut shell , get warning 146 55 n't guarantee work , worked dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
lamontg u washington edu subject high times ! ! ! ! ! ! ! organization lines 33 reply lamontg u washington edu nntp posting host mead u washington edu originator lamontg mead u washington edu ucs umass edu \( sol \) writes theory , though yet unproven , due simple envy due fact two issues religion religion religion personal belief system religion memetic virus people loudly proclaiming beliefs crossing border religion religion people want save others firmly entrenched religion \( \) rule 1 practicing religion shut fuck , unless discuss politely means motive behind conversation self wish spread word religion something ultimately comes within person , reflects value judgements religion something contracted others reflect persons value judgements \( perhaps think 'll brainwashed today \) religion drug believe discuss religion however , post started discussion , proclamation someones religion think i'm talking censorship i'm closeminded n't understood n't problem discussion religion , religion ca n't stand
klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) subject daytona nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 25 rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu \( ramin taraz \) writes well , watched daytona race tnn boy people saw yamaha lot faster kawi \? last stretch took left kawi dust kawi rider disappointed kawi ! lawson yamaha taking anything away russel , , well jorg klinger gsxr1100 new arch eng services lost horizons cr500 think umanitoba , man ca embalmer it175 anonymous squidonk
murphy npri6 npri com \( david p murphy \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? distribution world organization npri , alexandria va lines 19 cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) yeah , big mainframes monitors factoid fabricated corrupted tidbit ordinary information \( diluted \) ok murphy npri6 npri com \( systems programmer large \) every one dead 602 cameron st great game finished alexandria , va \( 703 \) 683 9090 , kim
qman casbah acns nwu edu \( charlie kuehmann \) subject quadra 900 startup w monitor ya right nntp posting host ironman ms nwu edu organization northwestern university lines 31 article umcc umcc umich edu , chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu \( shawn fitzgerald \) wrote article 1993apr20 tdb uu se mats bredell udac uu se writes shawn fitzgerald \( chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu \) wrote fix \? quadra 900 finish startup unless monitor connected would problem , since 're running file server , need monitor connected time 've seen control panel made n't remember name , saw , quadra models work know exists \) mats mats bredell mats bredell udac uu se uppsala university computing center \( udac \) ph 46 18 department medical systems fax 46 18 sweden think straight gay ! poke around u archives see find something anyone else finds , please post location ! \) think found looking ftp apple com dts mac sys soft video directory called virtual monitor switch 1 0 hope helps charles kuehmann northwestern university steel research group
v064mb9k ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) subject need info 88 89 bonneville organization university buffalo lines 10 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu little confused models 88 89 heard le se sse could someone tell differences far features performance also curious know book value 89 model much less book value usually get words much demand time year heard mid spring early summer best time buy neil gandler
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject employment \( concentrate child molesters \? nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 17 wow , n't realized getting ! careful problem n't rich values systems make rich rich things designed way order go system make money , everything else care goes shit constantly remind goal human society make money money n't make us happy prevents certain things making us unhappy therefore , n't shoot rich shoot conservatives ! drewcifer bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject rumours new duos ! ! ! ! ! reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 9 bredell tdb uu se \( mats bredell \) writes official paper got apple new docking station , apple called duodock plus paper \? 's price list dartmouth since released never called duodock plus hades
syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu \( tom gillman \) subject scientists believe green house effect organization georgia state university lines 36 mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes 1993apr21 titan ksc nasa gov rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) writes article cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) says word sums , alot scientist concluded without doubt global climate occur \( ring \) dealt source without doubt warming occur however mucho disagreement much warming occur original claiming 10 15 degrees lately saying 3 5 degrees newer studies hint might less degree course , 's side article yesterday 's atlanta journal stated many scientists data used determine whether global warming occuring faulty point article made long term temperature collected urban areas , heat rise attributed growth area called asphalt temperature trend real long term data remote areas , middle rain forest , top mt everest desert , matter accompanying article mentioned group scientists nasa developed method using satellite collect temperature data globally , preliminary results showed slight downward trend attributed mt went say even current downward trend , appeared change global temperatures using trend prediction methods least next 50 years quote article verbatim like tom gillman , systems programmer wells computer center ga state univ classic star trek security \( 404 \) 651 syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu officer sometime show gsu n't care say internet , \?
troy cc bellcore com \( c akgun \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host troy cc bellcore com organization bcr , nj usa lines 41 article 1993may12 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes easy sen biden say us troops zepa existing un policy may wrong , us wants dictate policy , make europe responsible consequences policy bosnia big enough problem us preach countries forces forces safely tucked away home us gerald look nobody asked countries un forces ground take forces ineffective first place let whoever willing job takes anyone defend stinking un force ground let pm yanked un vehicle shot serbian military \? anyone defend un force watching shelling cities towns everyday \? anyone defend say stinking un forces effective bosnian almost 14 , 000 children casualties 5 14 age groups \? think talking current un forces bosnian muslims insult casualties think senator biden said said issue europe sad place criticize human rights anywhere world like biden said , bigots comes cultural difference closer home get rid minorities long long time ago starting 15th centuries let take care rest 20th century much naughty expected dared step many toes , spoil good thing serbs today thinking yesterday c akgun
wiseb colossus cs rpi edu \( bowden wise \) subject deriving class object owl organization rensselaer polytechnic institute computer science , troy ny lines 22 distribution comp nntp posting host colossus cs rpi edu reply wiseb colossus cs rpi edu 's message 12 may 1993 18 47 10 gmt solved problem still understand happens ths way perhaps c gurus explain us ! reason define following class definition \( h file \) compiler thinks pure virtual functions defined placed two separate source file compiled , problem went away ideas happen \? functions defined class construct inline \? problem \? virtual int \( const object far obj \) const return \( hashentry \) obj virtual void \( os \) const os hwindow \( void far \) hwindow n bowden wise computer science dept , rensselaer polytechnic inst , troy , ny 12180 internet wiseb cs rpi edu
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject requests organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 17 article healta 157 saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes bob , 're wanting excuse convert christianity , gonna look elsewhere damn hopes bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization hand held products , inc lines 38 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article hydra gatech edu gt5311b prism gatech edu \( bhattacharya , abhijit \) writes article 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes think 200 tax evasion justifies armed assault government 100 armed men trailers , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust \? doubt koresh let batf look inside place intended , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust would never come pass bd 's killed members batf first day orchestrated character assassination noise torture seem like small retribution phrase innocent proven guilty meaning anymore \? use tanks however abhijit bhattacharya , abhijit georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center uicvm uic edu subject tcp ip windows 3 1 lines 52 n't know much computers , please bear 's question context use package called slip home computer connect university mainframe \( ibm 3090 running vms mvs \) , log account installed slip computer , configure modem \( 14 4 kbs internal \) supply phone number dial reach mainframe way works type telnet uicvm tn3270 uicvm \( either work \) dos prompt uicvm node name mainframe program mainframe , establishes protocol , gives screen telnet tn3270 names batch files slip directory told kermit protocol used session problem would like able windows 3 1 hardly ever use dos directly slip run windows talked people computer center , suggested use packet driver called winpkt com slip gave instructions load start windows , modify batch files \( slip directory \) ensure would work could run slip windows , problems one thing , slip would hang phone exited run program hang phone reboot computer n't work another , many errors often took 3 4 tries connect mainframe computer center support slip windows , ca n't keep going back questions question shareware package run windows slip supposed \? need package expensive , looking shareware heard regular commercial packages , cost hundreds dollars main requirements 1 must able run windows 3 1 2 must allow vt100 ibm tn3270 terminal emulation 3 must allow ftp file transfers , since 's kind mainframe allows modem z modem etc believe ftp transfers made kermit protocol , i'm hazy subsidiary feature \( would nice \) 's true windows program \( rather dos program modified run windows \) ability run session window concurrently applications cut paste telnet session applications information received appreciated uicvm uic edu
dmunroe vcd hp com \( dave gauge \) subject choice gauges organization gauges r us lines 22 free reign design instrument cluster , gauges would choose beyond basic set \? consider basic set tach coolant temp \( cylinder head temp air cooled engines \) oil pressure amps speedo fuel others nice volts \( maybe basic set \) vacuum boost think others , ideas \? dave
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject bmp format mean \? organization george washington university lines 18 article robertsa unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie \( andrew l roberts \) writes exactly windows bitmap format look like \? mean , data stored width , height , colours , bitmap data \? could n't find anything ths user manual , reference material would give information \? thanks , andrew well , guess goes true meaning bit map , holds \( x , , c \) x pixel number th ex direction , pixel number dir , c colour pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
cleveland freenet edu \( gregory \) subject broad question organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 20 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu considering creating demo ibm pc band would like combine interesting graphics sample music program seen things like done platforms , even pc , since i'm completly new , idea start i'm pretty sure skilled enough put together , hoping \( \) could let know issues need worry , things take consideration developing concept b perhaps someone knows programmer artist would interested type project know rather broad questions , information would helpful thanks ! ! gregory po cwru edu
leland stanford edu \( jamie \) subject bacteria invasion swimming pools organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 12 struck past week stomach bug fever went away quickly treated antibiotic pharmacist told antibiotic effective wide variety gram negative bacteria wondering might acquired bacteria could hang swimming pool water , would chlorine kill \? feeling better , j leland stanford edu
danc procom com \( daniel cossack \) subject christianity repeated lives organization procom technology , inc lines 32 smayo world std com \( scott mayo \) writes gerry palo writes nothing christianity precludes idea repeated lives earth n't say somewhere appointed man die , judgement \? n't concordance dim memory appears somewhere bible given fairly specific context judgement , 'd say less decides issue heb 9 27 clh depends verse read least two meanings word 1 \) one time , 2 \) time \( e upon time \) note previous verse , word used second meaning , also following verse , used second meaning greek , sure , uses different words two meanings english word greek scholar , i'm sure someone verify greek word used meaning second meaning used , verse interpreted given men die \( beginning adam \) , gift atonement offered jesus christ judgement made available , longer death , life christ daniel cossack danc procom com , compuserve com senior software engineer dupont drive , irvine , ca procom technology , inc 1 714 852 1000
kcochran nyx cs du edu \( keith justified ancient cochran \) subject \? x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 15 article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 1993apr22 nuscc nus sg cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) writes 'll leaving june 's i'm going back university alt atheism banned \( stupid theist intolerance \) sad n't anybody idea circumvent problem \? frank 's solution deleted access telnet , contact nyx cs du edu 's public access unix system , completly free , need access verifiable form id \( think requires copy picture , check , \) kcochran nyx cs du edu b \( 0 4 \) c e f g k \( \) r \( \) \( \) tsakc thoughts , posts , ideas , responsibility , beer , pizza ok \? \? \?
rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) subject disks copy protected organization eindhoven university technology lines 34 nntp posting host urc tue nl article 1993apr22 163605 24784 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables two benefits 1 \) encourages registration , 2 \) cuts pirating makes traceable , patch 's registration message encrypted , quite hard change , therefore provides stable trail allowed copy hands , thus violated license agreement take two copies different registration id , compare byte byte know located usually able find keeps form registering john doe company public domain , yellow brick road 1 , something \? \? \? kasey chang guido klemans internet rcstage1 urc tue nl valid 16 may 1993 carefully , say ones ' michelle
iastate edu \( ian schmidt \) subject development tools \? organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 15 article austin ibm com oscar oscar austin ibm com \( oscar r mitchell \) writes request mac cross development stuff apple sells cross developer macintosh called \( 's intended use apple iigs computer , uses \) oscar r mitchell ian schmidt two meg software iastate edu aol com choose path 's author , , clear choose free co author n peart , 1980 coder musician gs irc
berkeley edu \( sean cunningham \) subject candlestick nntp posting host berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley lines 24 hey folks , saw giants play ball 'stick saturday , april 17 game broke scoreless tie ninth two , two run homer right win \( n't game fans threw give away onto field response homer bad , huh \? \) well , 'stick still cold saturday game ended 5 45pm , cold ca n't imagine night games april 'stick wind kicked little , , got idea games , 's pile hot dog wrappers cups trash field lot time propose kid 's clean corps composed mainly 10 12 year old kids would love nothing better run field fifth inning \( guy infield \) grab trash might , age probably would given anything field ballplayers everybody wins ! think \? sean
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject mosque jewish quarter \( israeli destruction \) nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 37 distribution world article bob1 cos bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) writes always believed statement know history condemned repeat \( durant \? \) , beginning believe opposite true p newsgroups seems history mainly remembered hatred used club history people ample acts shame , done people done people since party acts , refuse accept blame evil acts ancestors committed , direct hatred toward descendants committed evil acts ancestors obsession discussions past \( present \) events seems largely centered trying prove worse us see , leads nowhere except make feel superior 's 've become addicted periodic injections self affirmation draw power hope begin sometime apply discussions way towards consideration situation , advancement negotiations search common ground parties involved course , happen ca n't believe best path making feel better expense others long coming together opposing parties pursue vision passion polarization specialists , stay stuck circus one 're getting precisely willing work shalom , salam , peace tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
infoserv com \( carlos \) subject analog switches balanced organization research corp x newsreader rusnews v0 98 lines 26 msf arizona edu \( michael fulbright \) writes trying build synchronous demodulator 've hit snag application want able change gain op amp amplifier 1 1 , via digital input obvious way 've come use analog switches adjust gain op amp analog switch experience 4066 unfortunately want switch ac signal goes 5v 5v , 4066 positive signals recently used 4066 switch signal simply ran 4066 supply , 8v case long analog input signal stays supply rails , 4066 work fine course , control \( logic \) input must use 8v logic low 8v logic high reference , either \( 1 \) driving logic must 4000 cmos supply \( 2 \) must provide kind voltage level shifting circuit 4066 control logic case , able use supply way carlos , infoserv com san jose , ca \( 408 \) 289
isis msstate edu \( david dumas \) subject find someone digitize ives \? \? \? \? organization j random misconfigured site x posted isis msstate edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 16 anyone know ives digitized use desktop publishing \? particularly interested scenes anyone know get \( fee \) good , digitized river boat image \? thank , david dumas david dumas isis msstate edu david dumas isis msstate edu
thinman netcom com \( technically sweet \) subject universal vesa driver keywords vesa organization international foundation internal freedom lines 84 scorch apana org au \( kingsley turner \) writes time ago \( 1 month \) bit discussion universal vesa driver 8bit cards file zip well ca n't find , anyone know \( gorilla something something au \) , sort cards works \? also would pushing luck ask someone post appropriate group kingsley turner nsw australia host edvz univie ac location pc dos graphics file rw r r 21525 mar 7 18 00 uvesa31 zip host plaza aarnet edu au location micros pc garbo pc screen file r r r apr 4 00 00 uvesa31 zip location micros pc oak graphics file r r r 21525 mar 7 19 00 uvesa31 zip host godzilla cgl rmit oz au location kjb mgl file rw r r mar 29 15 03 zip host nic switch ch location mirror msdos graphics file rw rw r 21525 mar 7 20 00 uvesa31 zip location software pc simtel20 graphics file rw rw r 21525 mar 7 20 00 uvesa31 zip host rvs uni hannover de location pub msdos koeln graphics file rw r r 21525 apr 4 17 08 uvesa31 zip host sun0 urz uni heidelberg de location pub msdos simtel graphics file rw rw r 21525 mar 7 19 00 uvesa31 zip host athene uni paderborn de location msdos graphics file rw r r 21525 mar 7 18 00 uvesa31 zip host compute1 cc ncsu edu location mirrors wustl mirrors msdos graphics file rw r r 21525 mar 7 19 00 uvesa31 zip host rigel acs oakland edu location pub msdos graphics file rw r r 21525 mar 7 19 00 uvesa31 zip host pc usl edu location pub msdos video graphics file rw r r 21525 mar 11 10 41 uvesa31 zip host kyoto u ac jp location mirrors simtel20 msdos graphics file rw rw r mar 13 16 41 zip file rw rw r 21525 mar 8 12 00 uvesa31 zip host ftp uu net location systems ibmpc msdos simtel20 graphics file rw rw r 21525 mar 7 14 00 uvesa31 zip lance thinman netcom com data information knowledge wisdom
jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) subject waco burning organization massachusetts institute technology lines 23 nntp posting host achates mit edu article dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes perhaps consider hitler responsible holocaust since allies could done stop \? attention please ! according rules usenet flame wars , discussion degenerates point hitler mentioned , flame war may declared ended would like take opportunity clearly discussion useful current set facts , current name calling hitler 's name productive even standards usenet talk groups must continue , please n't discuss misc legal 's law would like discuss law applies waco incident , please ask questions form fbi started fire accidentally , would legally responsible deaths note followups set include misc legal john carr \( jfc athena mit edu \)
schwarze delphi nosc mil \( david schwarze \) subject dat drives organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 28 nntp posting host delphi nosc mil x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 kelly roy \( uhunix uhcc hawaii edu \) wrote hey , i'm purchase dat drive anyone know mail order vendors offer dat drives hp 's mechanism \? mechanism available \? good , bad points \? bought one relax technologies big mistake drive jumpers set incorrectly n't work first , software shipped drive \( new compression model \) , worst , opened drive fiddle jumpers , found inside case covered metal ! ! ! sorry shout apparently drilled mounting holes case forgot clean putting drive hp drive , way , working fine \( knock wood \) , thanks relax technologies hey , mileage may vary , let suggest buy relax technologies , even though prices usually lowest dave dave schwarze \( schwarze delphi nosc mil next mail schwarze saic com \) opinions expressed
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization stephen f austin state university lines 29 article 1993apr23 oneb almanac bc ca , kmcvay oneb almanac bc ca \( ken mcvay \) writes deleted hear , hear ! 'd also like see autopsy reports confirm news reports multiple victims found shot \( head \) , positions inconsistent fire victims simply early draw conclusions either way nasty incident , tend believe government side least 're consistent i'm sure highly germans tended believe government 's version thirties forties different highly jewish cultists met fate always trust government old frog 's almanac salute old frog hisse'f , ryugen fisher \( 604 \) 245 3205 \( v32 \) \( 604 \) 245 4366 \( 2400x4 \) sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith , british columbia , canada serving central vancouver island public access usenet internet mail home holocaust almanac joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) subject faith dogma organization department computer science , university toronto lines 56 aurora engr latech edu ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) wrote faith dogma inevitable christians merely understand admit fact give proof god exists , whichever position take , forced faith good say take position , show interest existence god assume exist consider special relativity n't proved , disproved one proof one way , many people interested ! 've satisfied nothing could indicate absolutely existence god one way two possibilities course set circumstances inconsistent , similarly , set circumstances inconsistent , phenomenon could described god considered part natural world , studied natural phenomenon \( gravity , instance \) example , loud voice announced , ``i god , exist , prove reversing force gravity , '' gravity indeed reverse , \( probably scientist \) would say , , sure n't understand gravity well thought , loud voice something new perhaps n't understand thunder well thought either '' contend proper implementation christian faith requires reasoning , reasoning cannot used throw things n't like , find uncomfortable sexual behavior condemned bible act true reason make less condemned hatred , murder , condemned god ordained murder bible \? bet , god ever orders kill , first use gideon like behavior verifying god actually ordered hit , probably discuss like fashion i'm sure glad n't know live , since n't seem realize impossible distinguish voices head , god 's voice hear , jim jones david koresh justify behavior delusional religious cults bear relationship christianity rape bears sex form substance southern baptist church methodist church begin reason blame mainstream religion behaviors people associate every negative behavior witness non christian \? seem missed point even jim jones david koresh religious people , point remains faith dogma dangerous , religion encourages jim jones david koresh also encouraged point rely jim jones david koresh religious todd
ahatcher athena cs uga edu \( allan hatcher \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization university georgia , athens lines 28 article 1993apr20 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com jrlaf sgi502 msd lmsc lockheed com \( j r laferriere \) writes wondering law officers read several questions would like ask pertaining motorcycles cops please n't say get vehicle code , go local station , obvious things like questions would found places answered face face real , live flesh , cop brother friend cousin whos father cop , etc n't bother writing thanks well , goes lurking long time , 'll announce yes , i'm enemy enemy also happens ride arrest red 90 vfr bike history \( dod \) 79 honda xl 175 high school 85 kawasaki 600 84 honda sabre cornering committee 88 honda hawk gt designed bike 90 vfr 'll entertain questions answers reflect georgia law may apply state p anyone got suit sale \?
johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) subject monitors nanao \? article eskimo c5uw1t 3hi organization eskimo north \( 206 \) 367 3837 seattle , wa lines 30 hello , 've following discussions 17 monitors comp sys ibm pc hardware noted nanao seems get good reviews i'm interested getting information nanao 's products well others may fit bill would like monitor handle high resolutions like 1024x1024 ni i'm using monitor amiga 4000 amiga 2000 w graphics board like retina , sun like sparcstation lx basically want high resolution monitor monitor need large \( 17 \) meets brief requirements outlined 've happy 16 suns could probably cope smaller home i'm interested anyone details high quality sony hitatchi monitors since seem used sun 's fairly often look pretty good \( least \) n't seem brought c p h often mag viewsonic ok , stuff 'd like find get ahold nanao \? products line \? technical specs \? esp scan freq max resolutions handle \? 's list street cost avail third party , get ahold \? info sony hitatchi thank much ! ! , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , , ` , , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , eskimo com , ` , ` , ` , , ` , right today , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` ,
oprsfnx gsusgi2 gsu edu \( stephen f nicholas \) subject geico organization georgia state university distribution usa lines 9 i'm glad forum came 've pricing insurance lately considered geico ! ! company practices like e ! ! 'll stay liberty mutual steve nicholas wells computer center georgia state university oprsfnx gsusgi1 gsu edu risk risk taken
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 16 article 1993apr21 gn ecn purdue edu , mechalas gn ecn purdue edu \( john p mechalas \) wrote either way , evidence support theory bd 's burned made serious implication fbi responsible fire destruction people done put doubt started fire without providing evidence back claim fbi responsible last night cnn reported fbi infrared pictures showing fires started three places time would indicate something resembling accident cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
fraser sfu ca \( learning center \) subject rewording second amendment \( ideas \) organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 17 well regulated militia , necessary security free state , right people keep bear arms , shall infringed know canadian , n't much stand , think right keep bear arms important maintaining free society america still place live earth \( anyone head straight \) stay way people stand publicly believe ! ! remember , stand nothing 'll fall anything including well meaning socialists , canada later ted
matthew alchemy tn cornell edu \( matthew \) subject computer stuff sale organization alchemy international lines 16 nntp posting host alchemy tn cornell edu hp 4 pen plotter 150 130 meg scsi tape drive 150 sony 40 meg scsi disk drive \( sticks \) 50 dead maxtor 338 meg esdi drive 100 dead miniscribe 20 meg scsi drive 10 scsi st 412 interface board 20 daughter boards tape drives \? qic 02 qic 36 \? 20 twist terms \( vt100 terms head twists 80x25 \) 150 14 analog rgb color monitor \( 15 7 khz works nice amiga 's \) 100 spool 90 feet 50 conductor ribbon cable 75 prices best offer prices include ups shipping items working except stated dead matthew
gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization university illinois urbana lines 44 tfv0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( theodore f \) writes article news cso uiuc edu , gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes deleted say visible light astronomy already dying field pure hokum use logic things already bad , n't matter gets worse absurd maybe common sense logic dying fields deleted ok , scientists get around atmosphere fancy computer , looked ad hubble results , defects mirror partially correctable software \( see jupiter pictures results \) , effects completely reversable , going shuttle mission fix \? deleted main effect spherical aberration problems primary mirror drive computer engineers develop image processing software much faster use deconvolution software images fixed hubble , ready incredible results ! every reason believe results exceed original specs fair margin adaptive optics combination hardware software works realtime , fact , case hubble might interested know technology made amateur market , form ao 2 adaptive optics system starting page 52 april , 1993 sky telescope three page review new product lists 1 , 290 article states ao 2 adaptive optics system comes handy soft plastic case three year old could carry around even though device really good brightest objects , could cope image movements 0 8 millimeter telescope 's focal plane imagine well infant technology years , especially dedicated system hundreds thousands dollars , many man hours invested development george krumins pufferfish observatory universe origin gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu two colliding home memorial telescope
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization oklahoma state university lines 73 article charnel ecst csuchico edu , nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) article 1993apr19 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com \( bill vojak \) writes senators , rep also called white house comment line \( hold 8 10 minutes maybe lots people calling \) please call congress critter wh comment line ! general note , seen several polls lately show large majority \( \) thinks incident handled ok \( b \) thinks fbi batf gave enough time \( 51 days \) come take something happens wrong 's okay bunch people say \? instance , people go murderous rampage lynch blacks poll taken shows majority people think acceptable mean people done n't bad \? example mob rule democracy democracy people 's rights protected hope 've made clear make following points 1 \) outrage todays behaviour i'm outraged \? fine right hold opinion want , let ask outraged tragedy \? hope , opinions david koresh followers withstanding know 2 \) since batf chief janet reno 2 signed plan , demand fired ! actually , \? 'd interested hearing reasons 5 \) point even fire set someone inside building , came direct result actions fbi batf people inside \( including 17 children \) deserved trial , instead want know exactly expect \? see 11 o'clock news fbi batf agents still surround waco compound 451 days n't think gave every chance 51 days surrender proper authorities representing , etc koresh lied time time n't wish dead ca n't let forever time something fbi batf happened unfortunate acceptable \( long fbi n't set fire intentionally \) michael g larish amateur radio callsign nomad ecst csuchico edu golden empire amateur radio society \( gears \) california state chico state amateur radio society \( \) university , chico butte county sheriff 's search rescue 317 scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun batf cigarette cops fbi 's bureau
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject mcelwaine 's secret messages x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 32 robert sez \( ! \) larsonian astronomy physics etc ok , got actually , message 's coded messages read caps , comes clear ! types anti matter atoms worth 8 3 billion cost \? ! ! n't much important uses wasted money \? ! another thing consider primary proposed location texas serious growing problem kind fire ants eating insulation underground cables much poisoning ground ground water required keep ants \? ! naming super collider ronald , proposed , totally absurd ! built , named leading particle physicist maybe 's message telling us actually happened legendary larson perhaps 's warning one expend much effort trying counter 's postings sure \? \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk communicated communists , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm pacified pacifists
schmidt auvax1 adelphi edu subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries c lines 32 nntp posting host auvax1 organization adelphi university , garden city ny article 1993apr25 latrobe edu au , lure latrobe edu au \( byrnes , graham \) writes sasrer cinnamon sasrer unx sas com writes services offered engine cleaning \( remove oil sell car \) unfortunately , high pressure definately gets car going , wd 40 highly flammable explosive even right conditions , like vapour sealed inside distributor eg contact points tend arc tiny bit \) saw alternator points cover blow completely motorcycle restored life wd 40 fun watch \( honda mr 50 cover held large rubber , n't really big blast \) graham b ps serious aside , apparently also conductive , best exercise caution around mains wiring , years ago , almost became victim squirted fair amount old model 15 acting , turned motor starting contacts broke mighty spectacular almost got , plastic \( old ones safety glass \) cover , etc flew across room , several people room almost heart attacks beware explosive properties wd40 vapor john h schmidt , p e internet schmidt auvax1 adelphi edu technical director , phone days \( 212 \) 456 adelphi university evenings \( 516 \) 877 6400 garden city , new york fax \( 212 \) 456
ball ntu edu tw \( chin hsu \) subject print 0 's cgm file nntp posting host ntu edu tw organization meteorology data bank , dept atmospheric sciences , x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 17 lots cgm files produced ncar graph utility v3 00 color graphs , want print printers postscript , hp anyone experiences please tell , e mail nice someone knows convert cgm files gif pcx , bmp , helps lot
rhorwell crab network \( roland \) subject car ! \? reply rhorwell atc boeing com organization boeing computer services lines 24 article 2550 ericsson se , etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) writes article ctron news ctron com , smith ctron com \( lawrence c smith \) writes article 1993apr21 reed edu , rseymour reed edu \( robert seymour \) writes article 1993apr20 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu \( 's thing \) writes called bricklin manufactured 70s engines ford , n't bricklin six cylinder \? confusing delorean \? sure delorean v8 delorean yucky prv v6 engine joint venture \( note spelling \) , renault volvo prv engine mighty boring markus markus , noting spelling \? n't good \? \) n america \? mean \? roland ,
canisius edu \( kevin \) subject micro solutions backpack working properly organization canisius college , buffalo ny lines 14 hello problem micro solutions backpack sometimes works , sometimes doesnt either start backup , start tape format , 20 percent get error either saying tape bad backup format aborted unknown reason turn everything wait half hour works fine tape backup warm \? anyone similar experiences \? thanks , kevin
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject lithium questions , doctor wants 10 year old nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 26 article psuvm psu edu rfm psuvm psu edu writes someone writes 10 year old son lives ex wife difficulty behavior , , wants try local doctors suggestion would like know whatever important know worry sort thing would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy get posts like concern son ex w \? \? \? standard impartial procedure ask second opinion son 's condition , son acting games divorced parents \? \? \? \? precisely one wonders unusual strain boy might could causing difficulty behavior standard practice would get second opinion child psychiatrist one would want rule possibility bad behavior psychiatric illness \( disclaimer parent \) michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
hobbit corp sgi com \( phil culver \) subject dos 6 0 nntp posting host hobbit corp sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc lines 32 386dx clone , dtc esdi controller toshiba 660 mbyte drive since installing dos 6 0 , tried install software 5 1 4 3 1 2 disks , mount second third fourth disks , dos 6 n't recognize changed floppies dir , see contents previous diskette way get dos recognize diskettes changed , label , label buying dos 6 0 mistake dos 5 0 stable , worked well equipment superstor pro , desqview x \( qemm , manifest , etc \) , n't features dos 6 using guess roll back dos 5 0 wary happen besides , like fool , n't dos 5 bootable disk anymore 've made mistakes caution users make like sheep , joined crowd flocking dos 6 system administrator phillip culver silicon graphics inc mtn view , ca
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 4 receive power holy spirit comes witnesses jerusalem , judea samaria , ends earth acts 1 8
cpqhou se hou compaq com \( g thomas rush \) subject waco fire organization compaq computer corp lines 40 article 1993apr23 8500 mnemosyne cs du edu rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) writes flash frequent occurrence fires fire start small one location heat air temperature room builds everything room catches fire may occurred bd compound , heard reports windows covered would permit fire start unnoticed outside compound fire got big enough , broke walls , appeared started two places really one big fire houston chronicle last thursday \( maybe wednesday \) said interior walls covered hay bales help protect bullets many know fast dry hay burns large quantities tear gas inserted building possible many women children room free tear gas would try seal door keep tear gas learned fire broken late escape trapped flames safe room addition , gas specifically designed force eyes closed victim vomit fast could leave burning office home eyes closed violently \? find hard believe fbi recording final assault think would wanted tapes show agents fbi overcoming forces evil , aka branch davidians tapes would also allow fbi prove using excessive force thomas rush compaq computer corporation cpqhou compaq com employee , opinions candidate \( , texas \) school board seat 5 , may 1 , 1993
laszlo eclipse cs colorado edu \( laszlo nemeth \) subject new motorcycles nntp posting host eclipse cs colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , pizza disposal group lines 24 article mdennie beryllium , mdennie xerox com \( matt dennie \) writes netnews upenn edu sanjay kin lap upenn edu \( sanjay sinha \) writes article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes curtis jackson pens msf course 140 ! one costs 35 ! \( deal \? ! \) free philadelphia \) pays cheapie msf deals \? states subsidizing \? 25 erc 50 msf state n't subsidize 1 every motorcycle endorsed license laz
probert ucsb edu \( dave probert \) subject image data format question organization university california , santa barbara lines 63 posting friend please respond vaughn hub ucsb edu i'm working application creating dither pattern rendering window applying stipple pattern gc following code segment almost works window width even multiple 8 even multiple pattern towards right another problem , whether even multiple 8 , series vertical lines spaced 8 pixels apart extern display dpy extern window xid extern gc gc extern int max x , max set resize handler dither \( pixels \) char pixels dither pattern data char bm bitmap data char bmp long , max x max bm \( char \) malloc \( \) bmp bm \( j 0 \) \( pixels dither bit \) bmp 2 j pixel else bmp \( 2 j \) pixel \( j 7 \) bmp j 0 stipple \( dpy , xid , bm , max x , max \) free \( bm \) \( dpy , xid \) \( dpy , gc , stipple \) \( dpy , gc , \) xfillrectangle \( dpy , xid , gc , 0 , 0 , max x , max \) \( dpy , gc , \) suspect answer pad data mike vaughn
wdl loral com \( tim ryan \) subject jet ski forsale organization loral western development labs distribution usa lines 18 sale 1989 kawasaki ts \( 650 \) seating color white blue red jet ski runs great looks good trailer locking utility box color black trailer less year old garaged kept well maintained 4200 00 \( sold set \) interested call \( 408 \) 473 leave message return call asap thanks , tim ryan standard disclaimer applies
jek cu nih gov subject tongues \( read ! \) lines 8 persons interested tongues question invited peruse essay mine , obtainable sending message get tongues listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inre asu edu , james kiefer
ez019654 othello ucdavis edu \( victoria milliron \) subject disks copy protected organization university california , davis x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 29 hmmm possibility software registration would distributor register copy software sold clerk sticks store pc asks buyers id later , pirated versions showed could tracked original purchaser addition copies sent distributors stores would vendor reg serial order track store piracy possible additional program security schemes would 1 monthly password changes necessitate user call registration \( inconvenient \) 2 taking dire legal action anyone caught \( expensive \) 3 encryption , crc check , self modifying code \( limited effectiveness \) 4 independent watchdog program installation setup config memory manager , etc would check main program 's crc \( effective methods best \) 5 watchdog circulating virus would trash cracked copies program offenders hard drive \( risky , probably illegal , certainly immoral \) new ideas n't terribly feasible implement presented , thought threw people could think variations might effective problem parallel port security keys \? n't used anything hardware key copy protection schemes , n't know drawbacks know companies make claim 're , 've seen cracks autodesk 3d studio floating around \( n't one n't ask \) heard port keys vamilliron othello ucd edu apologies , vi inhibits communication skills greatly
stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu \( kevin l stamber \) subject pens broadcasters organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 25 article andrew cmu edu , nathan robert peters andrew cmu edu writes rumor pittsburgh going penguins broadcasting change next season according rumor , kbl leadership \( company broadcasts pen 's games \) wants limit loved broadcaster mike lange radio hire cherry broadcast partner would mean paul would fired \( good riddance \) anyone know anything \? lange fun broadcaster listen , pens games would n't without also hear cherry n't high opinions lemieux , ulf , jaromir jagr supposed broadcast games \? believe large number digits paycheck \( would binary \) would help fan ulf ! , jaro , mario nate peters lifetime penguins fan \( even best \) kevin l stamber purdue university top 10 reasons pittsburgh penguins patrick division 3 strong desire get cup back neighborhood eat 'n' park 's always something special cooking !
jmeritt mental mitre org \( jim meritt system admin \) subject satan ! ! ! organization utexas mail news gateway lines 113 nntp posting host cs utexas edu someones biblical claim characteristics satan probably portion scripture talking , isaiah 14 12 15 speak morning star , according babylonian prince ok , turn attention daniel 10 12 14 passage concerns revelation prophecy daniel messenger god within passage , messenger god speaks fought 3 weeks prince persian kingdom obviously , prince earthly prince prince persian kingdom probably one demons satan 's hierarchy , morning star prince babylon w ho also satan another passage concerning satan 's fall heaven ezekiel 28 12 19 separately devil chose try become greater god wanted sit god 's throne devil created , one beautiful angels heaven three distinct claims concerning results devil 's decision making , specific desire , physical description , support \( aside minor detail author seldom writes unbiased account opposition \) see isaiah 14 12 15 isa 14 12 art thou fallen heaven , lucifer , son morning ! art thou cut ground , weaken nations ! isa 14 13 thou hast said thine heart , ascend heaven , throne stars god sit also upon mount congregation , sides north isa 14 14 ascend heights clouds like high isa 14 15 yet thou shalt brought hell , sides pit n't say sits god 's throne says throne stars daniel 10 12 14 dan 10 12 said unto , fear , daniel first day thou set thine heart understand , thy god , thy words heard , come thy words dan 10 13 prince kingdom persia withstood one twenty days , lo , michael , one chief princes , came help remained kings persia dan 10 14 come make thee understand shall fall thy people latter days yet vision many days see discussed \? ezekiel 28 12 19 eze 28 12 son man , take upon king , say unto , thus saith lord god thou sum , full wisdom , perfect beauty eze 28 13 thou hast eden garden god every pre stone thy covering , , topaz , dia , , onyx , , sapphire , em , , gold workmanship thy ta thy pipes prepared thee day thou wast created eze 28 14 thou art anointed set thee thou wast upon holy mountain god thou hast walked midst stones fire eze 28 15 thou wast perfect thy ways day thou wast created , till iniquity found thee eze 28 16 multitude thy merchandise filled midst thee violence , thou hast sinned therefore cast thee profane mountain god destroy thee , covering , midst stones fire eze 28 17 thine heart lifted thy beauty , thou hast corrupted thy wisdom reason thy brightness cast thee ground , lay thee kings , may behold thee eze 28 18 thou hast defiled thy multitude thine iniquities , iniquity thy therefore bring forth fire midst thee , shall thee , bring thee ashes upon earth sight behold thee eze 28 19 know thee among people shall thee thou shalt terror , never shalt thou anyone else make claim characteristics devil \?
cant world std com \( jim cant \) subject msdos prompt problem organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 28 really bothersome problem using msdos prompt windows 3 1 open dos box done dos box , cant get back windows alt enter shrink box use close , screen goes black control alt delete kill windows get couple screens app responding think things still alive black screen alt tab cycle running apps , get flashes text black returns persists even machine powered working app developed using borland 's 3 1 application frameworks c seems work fine hardware 486 ram network video tseng vga dos 5 0 reinstalled windows couple time problem comes back using temporary swapping virtual memory would really really appreciate hints anyone might offer thanks , jim cant
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject countersteering faq please post organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 23 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article synoptics com , noemi synoptics com \( noemi berry \) writes guess turn horse look want go ! plan turns jumps best riders give refined , smooth inputs beast lots maintenance leather looks cool sound familiar \? black ones look better none truely america , although finest produced gear expensive , never seem enough volvos hit idiots intentionally rear front half ground look cool n't ride rain dangerous ice loud ones annoying , much chrome looks dumb yep , sounds familiar ! ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
alan apple com \( alan mimms \) subject uart needed \( really break detect \) organization apple computer , inc lines 43 article tau ceti isc br com , jimc tau ceti isc br com \( jim cathey \) wrote article alan 17 129 12 26 alan apple com \( alan mimms \) writes actually detecting break done watching character containing zero bits framing error resulting receipt true enough , means line stayed zero bit state even past stop bit time slot , basically indicates break special way detect break found 's magic signal generated uarts , etc 7 break detect popular part , number quirks , especially mode signetics rsr 2 break start detect rsr 3 break end detect two bits receiver status register enable interrupt either bits going high , also , one null put fifo per break detected simply best serial chip 've ever worked many less quirks , imho second best \( death 8250 devices ! \) thought knew lot serial devices perhaps keep big mouth shut sorry alan mimms \( alan apple com , ! apple ! alan \) opinions generally portable macintosh software group pretty worthless , apple computer art without engineering dreaming engineering without art calculating steven k roberts computing across america
vaxa strath ac uk subject jack morris \? \? \? \? \? \? lines 28 nntp posting host vaxa organization strathclyde university vax cluster hey guys , jack morris \? \? \? \? \? \? joking ! ! ! ! ! try lighten ya \? season 's started everyone 's trying justify morris moment , remember 're talking small sample size helluva long way go , sit back enjoy ride tony
king ctron com \( john e king \) subject albert sabin organization cabletron systems inc lines 9 nntp posting host saturn ctron com rfox charlie usd edu rfox charlie usd edu writes discussion josephus inserts thanks correct , , assuming josephus fact write jesus , christian \? jack
ee ualberta ca \( william jeremiah \) subject anyone give wd 27x jumper settings \? nntp posting host bode ee ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 11 rll hard drive got another 32m hard drive controller machine wd 27x kind soul please mail tell get jumper settings board \? really appreciate thanks advance jerry look ! signature !
organization university notre dame office univ computing rvesterm vma cc nd edu subject jack morris 1993apr18 cs cornell edu 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca 1993apr19 cs cornell edu 1993apr19 ramsey cs laurentian ca sdcc12 ucsd edu 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca lines 20 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) says say one player better another able say ab player 's team would played better player b lineup sheer speculation impossible ascertain take , er , logical conclusion , impossible ascertain whether better hitter roberto alomar , better pitcher juan guzman , better center fielder devon white , blue jays , really prove would n't world series 1991 1992 \? thank , mister maynard , faith prowess , assure faith misplaced bob vesterman
interlan interlan com \( ernie \) subject question deficiency \? \? \? organization distribution usa lines 5 anyone information deficiency would greatly appreciate response preferably email know point deficiency cause released , times stress high ambient temperature could cause renal failure x
elaine ee und ac za \( dale \) subject bios passwords organization elec eng , univ natal , durban , africa lines 29 nntp posting host pc ee und ac za students change ami bios passwords computers set always 'd like know way bypass remove password tried switching bios , avail battery soldered , three machines still would help ca n't remove batteries far know , way get around bios password except shorting power supply cmos memory , thereby erasing remove password , also destroy previous bios settings , 'll go set 386 , jumper motherboard provided purpose shorting battery short jumper briefly , interrupts power cmos long enough erase would imagine something like board future , would suggest set password , leave setup way , one else go reset set always unless know password used got bunch new 386 's , reason dale dale elaine ee und ac za technical co dept electronic engineering durban youth radio university natal , durban durban , south africa south africa
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 11 article 1993apr16 blurt oswego edu ind25 blurt oswego edu writes believe rusty staub also jewish ball player rust staub jewish fact , think father minister scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject solid state vs tube analog organization express access online communications usa lines 20 distribution sci nntp posting host access digex net article 1 cs cmu edu 18084tm msu edu \( tom \) writes also , ask electric guitar enthusiast type amp prefer , 'll tell tube type , since tubes lower distortion noise transistors 'course , electric guitar types say tubes sound better , dude \) course , turn , gain , add analog delay line box 'd think would n't notice distortion oh forgot phase shifters also , transistors advantage waste heat energy use , mainly heaters cathodes tubes ah , compare mechanical systems \) pat
virginia edu \( gregory j \) subject trivia question organization university virginia lines 4 goalie refer clint malarchuk time playing sabres team immediately prior washington capitals recover continue play , know present whereabouts
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject fj1100 1200 owners tankbag suggestions wanted nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 25 article 1993apr21 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( mark wallace \) writes bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article 1993apr20 195116 ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu \( mar marten \) writes looking new tank bag , wondered , follow fj1100 1200 owners , could make suggestions , fj 's large , flat gas tank , 'd imagine almost anything would work personally , i'm quite happy eclipse standard tank bag think thing watch number attachment straps come 3 4 , 4 strap tankbag rear tank narrow fit optimal good point , 'd overlooked eclipse 3 point mount , 1 rear 2 front , 's stable fj seen mount sides tank , would real problem fj blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
bmdelane quads uchicago edu \( brian manning delaney \) subject diet crohn 's \( ibd \) keywords ibd crohn 's disease epa reply bmdelane midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 31 article uabdpo dpo uab edu spam dom uab edu uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) writes article 1993apr23 midway uchicago edu , bmdelane quads uchicago edu \( brian manning delaney \) wrote one thing n't seen thread discussion relation ibd inflammation profile ingested fatty acids \( fas \) even write letter editor good point way , abbreviation epa general use , know fatty acid speaking sorry mean acid brian u c physician named stephen recognized expert treatment ibd might give call , yesterday \( finally \) referred clinic i'm seeing may 24 'll report says question treatment ibd call please say hello , looking u c position , perhaps still brian delaney
email sps mot com \( tom mathes \) subject locking lugnuts tire \? \? nntp posting host 223 7 248 44 organization motorola inc , austin , texas distribution usa lines 30 article 1993apr22 1 skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes put locking tires , need tires \? \? john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com well , depends kind locking lugnuts previous car locking lugnuts weighed 2 others locking lugnuts factory equipment , according factory service manual , tire balancing technician mechanic supposed put 1 2 oz rim opposite locking nut always vibration problems stupid lugnuts since one ever service correctly eventually got rid locking lugnuts replaced standard lugnuts unfortunately , found technique 6 months got rid locking nuts \( present car , saturn sc , locking lugnuts bought dealer made specifically saturn made exactly weight non locking lugnuts \( said package verified \) n't vibration problems tires \( due nuts \) 12 , 000 ownership vibration problems , due poor job tire balancing tom
andy bgsu edu \( stuart esrock \) subject joseph blues shut blues 2 0 organization bowling green state university b g , oh lines 22 cleveland freenet edu \( jim \) writes one last point , darryl sutter getting badly coached bob berry darryl gets reminds brian hawks quickly loosing thier focus , n't think blues win 4 never know sutter bash anything since players sure would think would learn something burning teams regular season much intensity regular season earlier posted note brian got thinking read item gee divisions lost home ice advantage getting smoked opening series playoffs kind makes wonder bottom line man great smoking ! ! ! ! ! agreed jim damn sweet , far thing comes close shutting maple laugh fans detroit completely kicked asses far , stick blues providing best playoff far stuart esrock bowling green state u go blues ! ! !
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 42 article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know \? n't know i4s abundant v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? whole h ! minivans , pickups , car compact range full size range \( exceptions \) much rare one personally know 's still production venerable ford f series pickups think jeep 's big 6 's also straight , i'm big jeep person v8 n't know know \? mustangs , , , camaros , corvettes , thunderbirds , real full size pickups , crown , chevy h h h \) , even japanese european vee v10 dodge viper dodge promises truck v10 v12 jaguar xjs n't use v 12s extensively \? james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
mek hydrox enet dec com \( mark \) subject x received usenet pa dec com id wed , 19 may 93 06 20 27 0700 x received enet gw pa dec com id wed , 19 may 93 06 20 22 0700 x received hydrox enet decwrl enet wed , 19 may 93 06 20 22 pdt x comp windows x usenet x apparently comp windows x usenet lines 22 help , 've got applications series pushbuttons across top \( \) wanted add pushbuttons put descriptive text function pointer crosses 've done fine , 've turned following problem pushbuttons sensitive get callbacks events , sensitive get callbacks events seems odd would expect nothing type thing bug \? , someone explain behavior \? thanks , mark
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject addressing turkish genocide apology 452 summary turkish denial genocide mccarthy hovannisian karpat shaw keywords anti armenian anti greek stanford shaw exposed ! organization p center regional studies lines 143 turkish historical revision zuma uucp via sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) responded article minerva cis yale edu pavlovic milan yale edu \( milan pavlovic \) wrote mp actually , would like get compilation one liners , mp could print show friends mp summer , see kind clowns exist chicago check alt fans serdar argic ! \( well , change fact period 1914 1920 , \( armenian government ordered , incited , assisted participated \( genocide 2 5 million muslim people race , religion \( national origin \? muslim race \? muslim national origin \? fool ! \( 1 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population van 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 2 \) armenians slaughter 42 muslim population bitlis 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 3 \) armenians slaughter 31 muslim population erzurum 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 4 \) armenians slaughter 26 muslim population diyarbakir 1 , 2 , \( 3 , 4 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 5 \) armenians slaughter 16 muslim population 1 , \( 2 , 3 , 4 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 6 \) armenians slaughter 15 muslim population sivas 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 today muslims 100 , armenians 0 \( 7 \) armenians slaughter entire muslim population x soviet \( armenia 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 azeri population armenia 1988 , anti armenian pogroms azerbaijan , kicked sent azerbaijan remaining muslims stayed armenia ! \( 1 mccarthy , j , muslims minorities , population ottoman \( anatolia end empire , new york \( university press , new york , 1983 , pp 133 144 let 's check ! page 121 turkish suggested reference read 1927 turkish census registered one person gregorian armenian faith van , one , twelve erzurum people lived eastern anatolia since recorded history simply gone \( 2 karpat , k , ottoman population , university wisconsin press , \( 1985 let 's check , first complete title reference includes words 1830 1914 thus reference cannot support claimed garbage ! however , since turkish suggested reference , pages 51 table i2 b states 2 4 million armenians turkey guess simply gone wwi ! \( 3 hovannisian , r g , armenia road independence , 1918 \( university california press \( berkeley \( los angeles \) , 1967 , pp 13 , 37 let 's check ! page 48 turkish suggested reference , sub title , deportation massacre turkish armenians states several authors assert armenian resistance van constituted key factor turkish evacuation persia motivated young turk leaders annihilate turkish armenians question responsibility massacres deportation nearly ottoman armenians evolved hundreds books , articles , documents published describe horrifying scenes violence death many writers , british bryce toynbee , french , german , american gibbons , insisted massacres ruthlessly executed refuted ottoman government 's official publications justifications anti armenian measures even outbreak war fact remains estimated eight hundred thousand million armenians perished within months , several hundred thousand following years disease , famine , refugee life unknown numbers women children converted forcibly islam , possessed turkish men , adopted moslem families \( 4 shaw , j , 'on armenian collaboration invading russian armies \( 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise \( modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university \( press 1977 \) pp 315 316 stanford shaw paid liar revisionist turkish government , exposed ! example experts interview \( greek \) professor \( nyc 's national herald , 3 12 93 \) thanks , mr g b people know problem faced ucla professor stanford shaw due promotion knew turkey 's man due reading knowledge turkish , member promotion committee case , sat read entire treatise history ottoman empire modern turkey took three months found , volume , uzun , eminent turkish specialist ottoman history shaw claimed introduction treatise outcome 20 year search ottoman archives well , went leave managed show 40 volume , containing around 5000 sentences , result , matching sentence passages original work even reproduced errors produced 500 pages manuscript submitted 60 pages report shaw 's university , however , rejected report , closed meeting , promoted stanford shaw distinguished professor paid price upset whole process , confronted entire university structure considered madman asked permission run seminar shaw 's book denied president university center near eastern studies granted permission , president depriving academic freedom luckily , dean refused give run seminar , attended 150 academic people , uncovered stanford shaw , refused attend punishment , university froze raises 5 gochnak \( armenian newspaper published united states \) , may 24 , 1915 chance ! may 24th , 1915 issue gochnak ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
christian de \( christian \) subject emm386 windows organization \( im e v \) lines 21 x gateway news 1 15 ! ebosco us oracle com wrote 28 04 93 emm386 windows e von ebosco us oracle com \( mi , 28 04 93 18 03 \) e name eric bosco e use emm386 remove config sys \? basically windows prefers memory instead expanded \( work win \) application needs ems , leave emm386 rem config sys bye , chris
pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com \( paul collacchi \) subject braves giants case study weaknesses reply pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com \( paul collacchi \) distribution usa organization pyramid technologies , mt view , california lines 24 article 1993apr20 bnlux1 bnl gov , bnlux1 bnl gov \( kenton yee \) writes sunday 's game exposed weaknesses teams quite clearly , braves vulnerable braves' weaknesses \) weak defense couple bond 's doubles clayton would 've caught better outfield b \) weak bullpen ha ha , howell ! observation straw bullpen lefties , stanton strong , learning new pitch bullpen fine , probably superior c \) reliance pendleton pendleton slump becomes team slump also false gant , nixon , justice , hunter , blauser present decent enough offense everyone \( except blauser \) , pendleton btw , story brian hunter \? dog house \? paul collacchi
pinghua berkeley edu \( pinghua young \) subject apple going ship cd300i 's \? organization university california berkeley lines 21 nntp posting host berkeley edu article umcc umcc umich edu dlc umcc umcc umich edu \( david \) writes 1 system install 2 kodak photo cd sampler 3 alice ocean 4 cdrom titles 5 application demos 6 mozart dissonant 7 8 apple chronicles assume get 8 titles plus cinderella games demo cdrom cd300 \( external , arrived \) 2 8 plus cinderella game demo derek pinghua pinghua young , department economics pinghua econ berkeley edu university california berkeley pinghua econ bitnet berkeley , california 94720 , u c \? k sv
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject free moral agency organization distribution na keywords another thread destined kill file lines 14 article kmr4 po cwru edu , kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes thoughts 0m jack handey 0m go , parachute n't open , friends watching fall , think funny gag would pretend swimming 0m fall opens , gravity 's good idea 's law dean kaflowitz
kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) subject disks copy protected organization san francisco state university lines 31 article rcstage1 128 urc tue nl rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) writes article 1993apr22 163605 24784 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables two benefits 1 \) encourages registration , 2 \) cuts pirating makes traceable , patch 's registration message encrypted , quite hard change , therefore provides stable trail allowed copy hands , thus violated license agreement take two copies different registration id , compare byte byte know located usually able find probably , point company make registration patch , sure , probably find another user compare notes , \? 's hindering way unless hacking problem people cut much quoting keeps form registering john doe company public domain , yellow brick road 1 , something \? \? \? nothing , read whole suggestion , i'm saying register via mail mailing registration card , company send patch includes info put registration card kasey chang
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject johs dhhalden \( 3 \) last organization university east anglia lines 18 fmg bt co uk \( pete young \) writes nick pettefar \( npet bnr ca \) wrote tsk , tsk , tsk another newbie bites dust , eh \? 'll learn newbie sorry disappoint , far internet goes baghdad still bag based previous postings , apparently devoid humour , sarcasm , wit , apparent capacity walk chew gum time , assumed serious mea culpa cannot serious ! ! personally think nick 's postings best thing wreck moto
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject oiler 's rumour team moving \? press conference next week organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 23 nntp posting host swanlake cs ualberta ca heard story local sports news broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington holding press conference next week exact details known , believed concern oiler 's future rumour pocklington signed tentative lease arrangement hamilton press conference , pocklington may announce deal quite possible deal may simply way force edmonton northlands oiler lease stadium northlands offered buy oilers 65 million earlier , offer rejected immediately pocklington , opinion divided edmonton fairly supportive oilers even though 're small market team , many sellouts 80s even problems team year , still brought fans many teams larger cities hand , team move , place deserving hamilton course , would affect grand realignment scheme bettman \?
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 56 may 10 05 07 27 1993 athos rutgers edu mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) writes last paragraph killed deuterocanonicals always accepted inspired scripture catholic church , existed much longer protestant church martin luther began hacking bible deciding remove certain books fact catholic church decided add much later reason difference catholic protestant bibles misleading , best question , really , status greek septuagint versus hebrew scripture issue predates reformation quite bit jerome negative fact , even though , put hebrew canon \( greek ordering hebrew one \) translations quick dirty , also \( reports done one one day , another overnight , dictating translation say , vulgate , massive importance western christianity , along jerome , took first steps reducing books status \( \) among greeks furthermore , inaccurate say reformers threw books basically , placed secondary status \( jerome already done \) , additional warning doctrine based citations alone think emphasis hebrew originals sound , though seems somewhat arbitrary disallow face translation part collection whose principles selection \( hebrew greek \) confused unknown likely fraught accident also seems play tendentious notion original languages somehow inspired magical , message translation , could hear god 's word jews greek \( german , english , \) tendency seems got big boost sola scriptura protestantism , even point current inerrancy , despite basic , underlying tendency reformers see texts could translated profit english rendering hebrew greek , surely little reason keep sirach , least , bibles \( course , n't \) \) texts originally greek , would seem anti greek prejudice \( notably , time hebrew canon fully attested , including anti christian prejudice led jewish septuagint \) operative btw readers may enjoy lectures bruce metzger issues translation bible \( including said jerome , \) current numbers journal two four published far michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) subject hardware hash function keywords hash , md5 , des , hardware , software nntp posting host ely cl cam ac uk organization u cambridge computer lab , uk lines 13 article watson ibm com , watson ibm com \( erol \) writes , question fast hash function designed hardware implementation \? yes , use stream cipher chip hash data slight modification see `a fast cryptographic checksum algorithm based stream , x lai , ra , j , 92 pp 8 7 8 11 ross
sdd larc nasa gov \( steve derry \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 30 reply derry larc nasa gov nntp posting host larc nasa gov x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 pat \( prb access digex net \) wrote limit space walking function suit supplies \( mass \) orbiter duration order perform boost hst , oms engines fired long period shuttle heavy thing hst n't light either amount oms fuel needed fly substantial small booster carried used boost hst 's weigh significantly less oms fuel required boost hst shuttle , given orbital change understand , mass margins hst missions tight enough ca n't even carry extra suits mmu 's pat n't seen specifics hst repair mission , ca n't see mass margins tight carrying \? replacement components \( ii , costar , gyros , solar panels , probably others \) , sorts tools , eva equipment , much oms fuel consumables lighter original hst deployment mission , achieved highest altitude shuttle mission date hst lower orbit seems like limiting factors would crew fatigue mission complexity steve derry derry larc nasa gov
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject homosexual issues christianity lines 76 whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) sent list verses felt condemn homosexuality mls panix com \( michael siemon \) wrote response verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues response , wrote see verses clearly address issues , however , couple seem though require incredibly perverse interpretations order seen condemning homosexuality deceived neither fornicators , idolators , adulterers , effeminate , homosexuals , thieves , covetous , drunkards , revilers , swindlers , shall inherit kingdom god cor 6 9 11 would someone care comment fact seems say fornicators inherit kingdom god \? apply homosexuals \? understand fornication sex outside marriage accurate definition \? thing sex marriage bible \? understanding always new testament blesses sexual intercourse husband wife , however , willing listen scriptural evidence contrary remainder post deleted moderator made comments would like address 's ambiguity meaning words passage quote liberal conservative sources seem agree homosexual general term homosexuals , likely meaning like homosexual prostitute n't meant think biblical evidence , nature evidence ca n't quote one verse solve things referring terms effeminate homosexuals passage , agree accuracy translation challenged however , simply commenting charge incredibly perverse interpretation read condemnation homosexuality charge seems imply reasonable person would ever conclude verse paul intended condemn homosexuality however , think see reasonable person might well take view verse therefore believe incredibly perverse read way think argument fornication circular homosexuality wrong \? 's fornication fornication \? 're married n't married \? church refuses marriage ceremony church refuse marriage ceremony \? homosexuality wrong order break circle 's got reason think homosexuality wrong clh actually , n't thinking church , couple n't married minister secular justice peace could job , two people would married point easy find biblical basis heterosexual marriage , bible would one get christian marriage two people sex \? see biblical basis sex marriages , willing would gay christians save marriage never sexual intercourse anyone outside marriage relationship \? please note trying imply gay christians would willing monogamous , genuinely interested hearing opinions subject heard comments gays past lead believe regard promiscuity one main points homosexual , yet tend doubt gays want christian would advocate position gay view \? mark yes , agree reasonable person might conclude paul condemning homosexuality responding certain details posting n't mean agree michael respects clh
eugene wilbur nas nasa gov \( eugene n miya \) subject level 5 \? organization nas , nasa ames research center , moffett field , california lines 19 article 1993apr23 1 fnalf fnal gov higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) writes someone tell ignorant physicist term level 5 comes \? invents standard , come everyone seems familiar \? sei software engineering institute , dod funded part carnegie mellon university read part ed 's decline fall american programmer \( press \) passing thru eugene miya , nasa ames research center , eugene orville nas nasa gov resident cynic , rock ages home retired hackers uunet , , gateways ! ames ! eugene second favorite email message returned mail cannot send message 3 days ref mathematics plausible reasoning , vol 1 , g
bell plains nodak edu \( robert bell \) subject honda civic saturn sl1 info needed distribution na expires fri , 7 may 1993 04 00 00 gmt nntp posting host plains nodak edu organization north dakota higher education computing network lines 17 anyone experience honda civic \( ex dx \) saturn sl1 would interested knowing reliable cars , expensive operate \( parts , maintenance , gas , insurance \) , dealers good , actually live economy image another question would expect pay civic ex coupe automatic , air , fm radio \? mail address post group thanks , rob bell plains nodak edu
justin sydney dialix oz au \( justin sullivan \) subject lcd vga display organization dialix services , sydney , new south wales , australia x newsreader nn version 6 4 19 1 lines 30 x2 netcom com trevor netcom com \( sandy \) writes mike mattone \( mike mik uky edu \) wrote 've computer 21 months \? ! \? 's long time ! reasonable life cycle lcd display \? think 21 months nothing wrong quite reasonable bought compaq toshiba , might reasonably expected machine last longer something went wrong 's moot point , perhaps maybe 've epson portable backlit lcd since 1988 still used daily screen fine problem \( ever \) arm screen sorta lose bend fairly screen goes wiggle round bit , 's perfect ! 's , um , 60 months \? \? \? ! justin sullivan \( system administrator \) dialix services sydney modem \( 02 \) 948 justin sydney dialix oz au ph perth \( 09 \) 244
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? organization decision support inc lines 34 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article optima cs arizona edu sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) writes article bozo dsinc com perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) writes anyway , since seem one following particular line discussion , wonder many rest readership read book \? thoughts \? read first came liked time still sorta kinda thought muslim , could n't see flap thank know least though may drugs , least i'm one writing style little hard get used , well worth effort coming similar background \( rushdie grew bombay muslim family , moved england grew new \) , made strong impression \( used many strange constructions indian english end sentence , , occasional phrase , etc \) yes , took getting used course indian connection , knowledge , etc , trivial , thanks wonders net , glossary satanic verses , posted rec arts books , explains lot indian english constructions , indian culture references , even islamic references \( , submission , context satanic verses incident , etc \) covers first couple hundred pages , helped get flow novel mail anyone interested anyone portions part , exist , 'd like get jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
nyx cs du edu \( brandon wise \) subject anyone heard \? organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept poor ms windows user whining distribution na lines 4 brandon wise nyx cs du edu
world std com \( bob \) subject soon baby questions organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution lines 12 're first baby , questions dont seem able get answered satisfaction reguarding baby boy , medical pros cons \? 've heard parents' pregnant woman sitting tub water \? 've heard stories infection , etc water broken \? world std com old macdonald agricultural real estate tax
mach1 wlu ca \( friedman ishay \) subject israeli press organization wilfrid laurier university lines 85 article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes bc744 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes information israel since read american media israeli media , say absolute certainty anybody exclusively american press knowledge israel true picture going course never read arab media , read arab , israeli \( jer post , network enough \) jerusalem post small part israeli media \( one outsiders part , anyways \) never read ha'aretz , , hebrew papers , least seen articles translated , really getting israeli media western \( american , french , british \) reports say give israel 10 arabs 10 bias scale \( course switch polarities \) israeli newspapers get either 9 10 , american leading newspapers tv news range 6 left leaning ones \? 10 \( yes israelis israelis \) 6 10 \? stations pbs run shows israeli standpoint \? intifada got coverage 1987 1988 gassing kurds thousands \? montreal suburban \( local free newspaper \) probably closer kahane 's views israeli right wing newspapers , british montreal read suburban ever advocate kahane stupidity expelling arabs \? racist \? suburban columnists explain israeli standpoint nothing like kahane case , suburban paper minor local distribution influence range 0 \( neutral \) 10 , french \( , course \) range 2 \( afro french magazines \) 10 , arab official media range 0 5 \( egyptian \) 9 sa 10 \? want overdo stir people israel therefore since nothing claim israeli papers biased , course may lean right left , like media america still report events people know nothing choose form opinions israel mideast based knowledge average american relies exclusively american media report events mideast consistency accuracy average bias read would probably around 9 , average american would read read new york times similar news makers , 8 read relatively less biased newspapers better source closest thing zero \? ishay
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject good reasons wave nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 35 article mdennie beryllium mdennie xerox com \( matt dennie \) writes 1993apr22 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes ever notice little kid wave bikers \? reactions little boys seems enthusiastic wave \( also good see \) always wave see kid least noticed bike figure helps future sport n't forget little girls ! quite 2 year old daughter points says motorcycle every time sees one go past 've done work \( course , helps one books shows sir side car rig \) admit usually try without parental figure noticing i`m afraid kid get yelled anti societal types like us think better way convince kid someday , 'll ride one things \? genetic thing little boys \? even three four year old boys seem attracted motorcycles sort \( often dismay thier mothers \) , 's genetic thing little humans n't let touch hot pipes jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject combo propulsion system ! \? organization u toronto zoology lines 20 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes hard easy would combo mission solar sail way outer planets , near orbit use normal means 've got good propulsion system 's useful deceleration , sure use chemical rockets part even deceleration chemically major headache 're talking seriously high cruising velocities taking velocity nearly zero pluto orbit n't easy chemical fuels incidentally , solar sails going suitable acceleration system something like n't go anywhere quickly \( speak head mission planning canadian solar sail project , although less honorary title right dormant \) ca n't fly mission like unless start talking advanced systems drop close sun first svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject nissan nomenclature \( manual shift bigots wanted \) organization university westminster lines 10 thanx craig addition clear confusion 200sx \( usa \) turbo uk performance figures uk 200sx 0 60 6 4s vmax shaz oh one q know new prelude \? well auto version usa \? 've heard japan uk also , guys get auto \?
organization arizona state university james cassidy asuacad bitnet subject need specs western digital ide hd lines 9 friend mine needs spec used hard drive got western digital , ide , 340 meg 1010 cylinders 12 heads believe model number , ca n't sure 12 ms , 3 5 model info would appreciated , either somone knows , maybe western phone number thanks
unix brighton ac uk \( \( \( software \) \) \) subject artificial intelligence medicine organization university brighton , uk lines 10 information artificial intelligence medicine , would appreciate could mail whatever informations needed project thank , ian ian bsc computer science \( \) year 2 university brighton janet e mail uk ac unix , uk ac vms ` '
intel com \( mark roberts \) subject fyi batf reply waco organization intel corporation aloha , oregon lines 25 article 1993apr20 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes article netcom com nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes san francisco examiner reports clinton issued instructions federal law enforcement may kill injure anyone resolve waco situation 've built fence around compound , seriously considering building fence prison camp levels , pulling manpower , waiting however many months takes well either examiner wrong \( usual \) clinton lied perhaps david koresh n't listen well \? \? mistakes made mean president lied gary gary coffman ke4zv make , gatech ! wa4mei ! ke4zv ! gary destructive testing systems break uunet ! rsiatl ! ke4zv ! gary 534 shannon way guaranteed ! emory ! kd4nc ! ke4zv ! gary lawrenceville , ga 30244 mark
khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) subject long term space voyanges effect newsgroup \? organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 40 nntp posting host hsc usc edu force ssd lmsc lockheed com writes response original post first need literature search lot information maybe pick specific area long term habitation could useful , especially make available net look methods analyzing technologies detailed literature search would interest space advocates clearly important existing space programs essence , would dividing space life science issues various technical problems could solved various technologies database acceptable solutions various problems could form basis detailed discussions involving people , isunet , source ! unless unbelievable interest net , think develop detailed data base literature search first accomplish go real analysis data base could useful future engineers 's response ken , think \? tim well , agree hope others chime suggestions specific technologies could applied towards maintenance earth like atmosphere long duration spacecraft tim et al think try looking atmosphere first seems single fundamental issue keeping anyone alive 're taught supporting patient look maintaining , keeping trauma training \( keeping emergency medicine professor happy \) , suggest look issues surrounding atmospheric circuit tim \? ken
sdl linus mitre org \( steven litvintchouk \) subject antihistamine sleep aid reply houle nmt edu 's message thu , 29 apr 1993 05 20 44 gmt nntp posting host rigel mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 31 article 1993apr29 nmt edu houle nmt edu \( paul houle \) writes anyway , looking advice use antihistamines sleep aids , dangers use \( seems safe since used chronically allergies millions \) n't want try bzs , bz addiction seems serious threat , hear , bz sleep quality good , whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems better tried dietary tryptophan loading stuff , also seems lower sleep quality , seem wake around 4 00 kind mental haze 7 00 8 00 also , would interested advice helping problem \( although 've already tried many non solutions \) antihistamines active ingredient otc sleep aids decades go look packages sleep aids , , etc active ingredient diphenhydramine , antihistamine 's steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford , 01730 fone \( 617 \) 271 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus ! sdl
smb col hp com \( sam bauer \) subject sale snes star fox , home alone ii organization hp colorado springs division lines 36 nntp posting host col hp com snes games sale home alone 2 35 star fox 42 trade good condition copy \( must box docs \) one following \( snes \) prince persia gods batman returns super prices include shipping games excellent condition unless otherwise stated us buyers please games shipped inside box packing priority usps games include original materials including box , manual , etc first offering asking price guarenteed get game asking questions get priority offer buy game lower offers may considered assuming offers asking price made sam bauer hewlett packard co , \( 719 \) 531 network test division smb col hp com colorado springs , co
dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? distribution na organization department industrial engineering lines 63 kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) said suppose foul ball machine \( like brett butler \) pretty valuable , 'd rather watch \( root \) lower obp guys actually hit ball legitimate point baseball entertainment , quarrel people find certain styles play entertaining others , regardless win value personally , i'm huge fan slug bunt doubt 's high percentage play , get big kick willing live bad consequences exchange fun course , claiming \( \) galarraga 's inability defer gratification n't hurting team n't paid walk rbi guy whatever finally , 'd like point many high obp guys draw walks pitchers afraid throw strike , great eye i'm sure used think true , i'm becoming convinced 's way around among players physical ability hit ball real hard , patient ones ones get chance lot let 's break four basic categories hitter , according whether power threats whether walk lot power power patient frank thomas brett butler barry bonds ozzie smith mark mcgwire craig grebeck babe ruth miller ted williams billy hamilton rickey henderson eddie joe morgan mike impatient ernie banks ozzie dave kingman joe carter andres thomas george bell jose lind kirby puckett devon white etc far tell , categories full really looks like two independent nobody could possibly afraid craig grebeck plate , yet walks quite lot part , undoubtedly , small stature , surely major league pitchers hit sort target least 3 times 6 randy milligan even better example 's shown noticeable power one \( partial \) season , walks place , despite huge strike zone david tate \( dtate pitt edu \) greetings , sir , bat quick member iie , orsa , tims , sabr hands soft , eye discerning denver call slugger \? big catullus galarraga compare mattingly ! \?
carr email comm mot com \( eric carr \) subject help phone wire ones tip ring \? distribution usa organization systems lines 38 nntp posting host 145 1 160 178 article 1993apr22 husc3 harvard edu , mlevin husc8 harvard edu \( michael levin \) wrote bought little gizmo supposed installed series tip ring lines phone wire ones \? suppose holding regular phone wire , little plastic tooth \( little plastic square thing naked lead ends plug phone \) facing , away 4 wires see tip ring \? please reply mlevin husc8 harvard edu mike levin assuming refering standard pots ground start lines looking loop start lines idle conditions , ring conductor one approximately 48 52 vdc respect ground tip conductor near ground potential \( sure reference telco ground taking measurements \) dealing ground start lines idle conditions , ring conductor one approximately 48 52 vdc tip conductor would look like 's floating \( may see potential line capacitance bleed time \) remember use telco ground reference making measurements '67 caprice sport coupe
med yale edu \( michael locker \) subject jewish broadcasters \( jewish baseball players \? \) reply kahn troi cc rochester edu 's message 20 apr 93 16 40 53 gmt nntp posting host med yale edu organization yale university x news reader vms news 1 20 lines 8 1993apr20 galileo cc rochester edu kahn troi cc rochester edu writes let 's forget al michaels , believe miracles \? fame jim course , ca n't forget mel allen michael
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject service indicator bmw organization university westminster lines 18 derek tool available reset service indicator bmws lights come back 2 3 weeks tool fact illegal \( europe atleast \) often case unsuspecting buy used bmw weeks later , lights come ! , know tool anyone else \? changing oil every 15 , 000 miles thats ok newer audis , require every 12 , 000 miles \( talking oil change \) query drive car carefully \? like sudden acceleration etc \? yeah , 15 , 000 oil change seems quite reasonable drive kinda fast 'd get bit tight 15 , 000 thingy \( point note first light came 3k , n't mean others come every 3k \) shaz
backon vms huji ac il subject uva distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines 33 article 1993apr27 virginia edu , ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools study importantly learn lot overall uva drug use actually lower average college u hate law books even though \( forces pc \) tried one last year \( way similar law university wisconsin \? found unconstitutional last year \) law relationship professors students passed thomas jefferson sole author virginia statute religious freedom \( basis first ten amendments \) , though given full credit righting bill rights someone picked right way , 're man everything sports academics partying i'm sure lot schools good well , n't start mailing junk i'm happy maybe 'll go one medical schools couple years medical school \? like fellow austrian dr mengele \? \? josh dr josh backon cardiology backon vms huji ac il
colby bu bio bu edu \( chris colby \) subject life earth \( elsewhere \) distribution sci organization animal lines 55 article 1993may13 julian uwo ca jdnicoll prism ccs uwo ca \( james davis nicoll \) writes article 1 cs cmu edu 18084tm msu edu \( tom \) writes evidence trend towards greater species diversity time \? see going right major extinction event , n't clear diversity 10k years ago necessarily greater 600 million years ago well , several bursts species diversity think explosions resulted vast increase animal diversity likewise , one two punch , number marine animals rose steadily \( \) time high \( \) prior spread humans \( \) biggest exception k \( bye bye \) extinction \( \) 800 families also , plants arose green land sweeps wet environments first , \( evolved tissues \) took territory evolved \( 1 \) eventually \( mostly \) replaced \( pines like \) \( 2 \) \( mostly \) displaced \( plants dominant plant group planet \( 3 \) also radiated greatly invasion land \( 1 \) around \( 200 families \) \( 2 \) around \( maybe 250 families \) \( 3 \) starting \( rising 600 families currently \) 's unclear \( least \) max equilibrium number species earth hold \( \) ever hit past could \( warning speculation alert \) diversity never reached peak mass happen often enough keep total number \( \) would depend great deal fragmented specific see cowen 's book history life technical run , well , like title sez , history life see , wilson 's diversity life view centered current ecology \( imho \) best popular biology book \( hell , 'll say \) time james nicoll follow ups chris colby email colby bu bio bu edu 'my boy , ' said , 'you descended long line determined , , microscopic champions every one ' kurt vonnegut galapagos
alin nyx cs du edu \( ailin lin \) subject nice sale organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 5 , used , looks like new , worth 170 , sell 70 buyers pay shipping ailin 803 654 8817
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject atoms real \? \( 2000 years blah blah blah \) organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 30 kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes mathew \( mathew mantis co uk \) wrote difference chemist someone taught chemistry , say , cambridge university \? put like , ca n't answer originally pointing attitude seemed \( n't know really \) chemists tend ignore kinds effects 're important , yes scientists otherwise science would never get anywhere original posting stated chemistry , common ignore atomic interactions , hang atomic interactions general specific ones deemed unimportant like gravitational interactions ions , small 're drowned electrostatic effects , revolution teaching methods last four years \? perhaps revolution yet reach cambridge \( , 'll get flamed sure \) \) oh , probably still make people memorize equations ir spectra maybe decades 'll discover revolutionary data book technique bitter twisted , mathew
garnet berkeley edu \( ted \) subject trademark violation claimed organization university california , berkeley lines 6 distribution inet nntp posting host garnet berkeley edu keywords clipper , wiretap risc processor made fairchild , sold intergraph , much story r4000 remember lost control star wars dod started using name \? loss confirmed court
ulkyvx louisville edu subject type ic \? \? \? lines 20 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu organization university louisville , ic need help identifying 8 pin ic following label help would greatly appreciated identifying chip kevin kevin jones ulkyvx ct louisville edu lab supervisor ulkyvx louisville edu computing telecommunications phone 502 588 university louisville , ky fax 502 588 good racist dead racist
miner kuhub cc ukans edu subject david 's hebrew quiz software organization university kansas academic computing services lines 8 anybody using david 's hebrew quiz software \? tell space typing hebrew \? \( space bar n't work , anyway \) email please thanks ken miner kuhub cc ukans edu opinions
br pct rlg stanford edu \( peter c tam \) subject ftp pc tcp ver 2 04 sale cheap lines 12 organization research libraries group , inc lines 12 sale ftp software , inc pc tcp \( networking software dos \) version 2 04 \( \) lan driver 3c503 cards , others get ftp , serial numbers , diskettes , tcp ip telnet ftp ping lpr finger etc 6 copies , cheap 45 00
jimh carson u washington edu \( james hogan \) subject 's shit \? \( amusing atheists \) organization university washington , seattle lines 38 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes james hogan writes fine sentiments first post jim assumed attack ad hominem , sarcastic innuendo , e , shit conveniently forgets , course , boredom ad hominem , sarcastic innuendo \? absolutely forgotten \? hardly bored \? really try confuse life life ca n't overcome urge tease taunt folks bound faq less onto chip shoulder listen , one might think belonged church ! appreciate patience others questioned posting line line content basis , though 's hard know impact might , compared , say , fact truly interested ending thread would n't posted last shit think , whatever initial , past certain point circular abuse bake timmons , iii 's nothing higher , stronger , wholesome useful life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov \( dostoevsky \) sincere questions \? looking \? jim
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject new encryption algorithm lines 27 article 1raeir be1 access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes well , actually , one 's easy 's job nsa supposed develop cryptosystems government chooses go ahead sell cryptosystems masses , ah , developing cryptosystems specificially designed protect government 's domestic spying capabilities takes beyond mandate , forbidden field domestic wiretapping unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace bruce book , way read , one side conversation must outside united states , ass u nsa plays rules jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 18 article netcom com madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) writes clam bake timmons bill shit connor sorry , gotta disagree one maddi \( resemblence bill nickname \) prefer half bake 'd timmons bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
borut b lavrencic ijs si subject wiretapping reality today reply borut b lavrencic ijs si distribution world organization j stefan institute , lj , slovenia lines 26 article mbeckman mbeckman com , mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman com \( mel beckman \) writes unfortunately , hoover thought constitution , whatever considered limits others obey ruthlessly invaded privacy many private public citizens mel 1967 , grad student uw seattle chance read hoover 's book masters deceit , quote sentence \( memory \) beware fellow americans , communist may look ordinary person went mirror true borut b lavrencic , sc x 400 c si mail p ac ijs lavrencic j stefan institute internet borut b lavrencic ijs si university ljubljana , phone 386 1 159 199 si ljubljana , slovenia pgp public key available request
uhura cc rochester edu \( ivan \) subject pc question 256 modes \? nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester \( rochester , ny \) lines 17 hi , need know 256 color graphics mode allows multiple pages want something like mode \( 2 pages \) experimenting graphics calling bios borland turbo c feel like flying blind area , could use help give thanks , ivan ivan university rochester e mail uhura cc rochester edu
jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) subject xv problems organization tampere university technology lines 100 distribution world nntp posting host cc tut fi article 1993apr29 nessie mcc ac uk c c lilley mcc ac uk writes article avt cc tut fi , jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) writes wrote something making color modifications quickly 8bit quantized images saving image file process make modifications 24bit image makes sense , main use xv viewing images many changes image , keep modifications buffer making operations 24bit image , simplify operation list unnecessary operations think saying 24 bit image 8 bits many colours mapped onto single palette colour colour gets modified fairly arbitrary ways want apply modifications back 24 bit file , find colours mapped one palette colour suppose n't know discussed discussed error \( \) xv 2 21 shows images 8bit , suggestion works perfectly far seen colormap editing window xv , must colormap anyway problems present exist anyway , n't tried solve , would make problems programs first place gamma color corrections easily done 24bit image presented 's need make tricks 8bit quantized image back 24 bit image would suggest colour editing 24 bit file \? would group 'related' colours edit together \? global changes could done unless software different much complicated ok , 're writing situation user want edit images 24bit user want edit individual colors questions , way , jumps discussion bit solution n't work , 's colormap real 24bit image see , user see 24bit image going back 8bit silly changing individual colors 8bit quantized rasterized image changing individual colors colormap useless cases image quantized rasterized small change may make serious errors anywhere image xv allows feature , n't recommend use mentioned type images moreover , xv paint program make global changes full 24bit xv , changing individual colors sounds like paint program job person 8bit screen , 's need tricks get original 24bit image modified user n't see full 24bit image , 's need make approximations possible modify individual colors individual pixels pixel groups \( image rasterized \) select color , could cursor window shows true color image cursor window area selecting individual color possible ok , n't thought much 24bit painting programs , never seen good view planned make mention 24bit painting program 8bit screen yes \( \? \) wrong xv \? saved 8bit quantized rasterized images 24bit jpegs jpeg designed also , human expect 24bit saved 24bit image say , person would like crop part image save , expected image still , xv designed without thinking human interface human expect program work design error heard xv designed first 8bit images files , good idea take full 24bit images without making major change original design , even screen images 8bit , processed images saved images could 24bit easily , instead 8bit anybody make note yes , may well make lift means lift goes means lift goes , put note design solution manuals however , even manuals tells correct situation , n't solve problem \( americans lift example \) well , text may bit hard reading , hopefully read juhana kouhia
doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) subject persistent vs chronic organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines 31 article blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) writes seriously though , wonder someone cph would end getting biopsy first place \? understanding \( feel free correct \) enzymes worst mildly elevated , overall normal hepatic function would think clue might history prior infection positive sag indeed continuum cah , distinction merely one pathology prognosis , otherwise identical clinical features \? chronic persistent hepatitis usually diagnosed someone liver biopsy patient persistently elevated serum transaminases months bout acute viral hepatitis , someone found persistently elevated transaminases routine screening tests degree elevation \( serum transaminases \) trivial , much ten times normal blood usually normal rule , patients cph clinical signs liver disease chronic active hepatitis also asymptomatic minimally symptomatic , least initially , 's 's important tell apart means biopsy patient cph needs patient cah needs treated howard doyle doyle pitt edu
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject jeff mason 's auction marvel , dc , valiant , image , etc organization univ florida psychology dept lines 114 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu summary friday april 23 update following comics auction highest bid takes ! title minimum current alpha flight 51 \( jim lee 's first work marvel \) 5 00 aliens 1 \( 1st app aliens comics , 1st prnt , may 1988 \) 20 00 krism sold amazing spider man 136 \( intro new green goblin \) 20 00 amazing spider man 238 \( 1st appearance hobgoblin \) 50 00 archer armstrong 1 \( frank miller smith layton \) 7 50 avengers 263 \( 1st appearance x factor \) 3 50 bloodshot 1 \( chromium cover , bwsmith cover poster \) 5 00 three cyberrad 1 \( cyberrad , prestige silver edition \) 15 00 daredevil 158 \( frank miller art begins \) 35 00 dark horse presents 1 \( 1st app concrete , 1st printing \) 7 50 detective 657 \( azrael appears , intro cypher \) 5 00 detective 658 \( azrael appears \) 4 00 harbinger 10 \( 1st appearance h r corps \) 7 00 b matthey sold h r corps 1 5 00 incredible hulk 324 \( 1st app grey hulk since 1 1962 \) 7 00 incredible hulk 330 \( 1st mcfarlane issue \) 15 00 incredible hulk 331 \( grey hulk series begins \) 11 00 incredible hulk 367 \( 1st dale keown art hulk \) 15 00 incredible hulk 377 \( 1st new hulk , 1st prnt , keown \) 15 00 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 7 50 marvel presents \( charleston chew giveaway , sam keith \) 5 00 maxx limited ashcan \( 4000 copies exist , blue cover \) 33 50 brentb sold mr 1 \( signed advance copy , 10 , 000 exist \) 10 00 new mutants 86 \( mcfarlane cover , 1st app cable cameo \) 10 00 new mutants 100 \( 1st app x force \) 5 00 new mutants annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 10 00 omega men 3 \( 1st appearance lobo \) 7 50 omega men 10 \( 1st full lobo story \) 7 50 power man iron fist 78 \( 3rd appearance sabretooth \) 20 00 power man iron fist 84 \( 4th appearance sabretooth \) 15 00 simpsons comics stories 1 \( polybagged special ed \) 7 50 spectacular spider man 147 \( 1st app new hobgoblin \) 12 50 spider man special \( giveaway , vs venom \) 10 00 star trek next generation 1 \( feb 1988 , dc mini \) 7 50 star trek next generation 1 \( oct 1989 , dc comics \) 7 50 trianglehead 1 \( special limited edition , autographed \) 5 00 web spider man 29 \( hobgoblin , wolverine appear \) 10 00 web spider man 30 \( origin rose , hobgoblin appears \) 7 50 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 15 00 wolverine 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 5 00 wolverine 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 50 wolverine 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 3 00 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 20 00 wonder woman 267 \( return animal man \) 12 50 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 20 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 10 00 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help titles posted n't list every issue title , tried save space geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
klaava helsinki fi \( j \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university helsinki lines 13 article news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes system 7 easier learn use independent studies effect os 2 run msw applications stable multitasking nextstep easier learn , use , program stable multitasking unix x easy learn use stable multitasking also customizable make computer want , whereas msw microsoft wants bind control left type world ! ' \( 'd want , \)
cbnewsj cb att com \( jgm \) subject info port requested \? \? \? organization lines 20 , attempts find harddisk controller works stumbled across port normal controller ports range , port \? \? \? information upto port write port information write related number heads disks could somebody shed light give missing info thanks , ns nl netherlands email cbnewsj att com
edu subject pitcher get save \? organization vista college , storm lake , ia lines 28 article 1993apr23 newshub ariel yorku ca , cs902060 ariel yorku ca \( geoffrey e dias \) writes subject line says rule qualifies pitcher making save \? imho untrustworthy , silly stat , today 's rules , baseball understanding qualify save pitcher cannot pitch three innings potential tying run must least appear deck circle also , lead pitcher enters cannot three runs believe official scorers must assert authority determining winners etc instance , pitcher come ninth lead , blow lead , fall behind , team come back next half inning earn win pitcher earned win , way guy could pitch five strong innings middle relief see teammates rally tie score assume came start fourth left eighth teammate holds opposition scoreless ninth score run bottom ninth win third pitcher earns win middle reliever gets stat satisfaction mike bleed blue dodgers even like lasorda spaghetti sauce
europa eng umd edu \( tae hun kim \) subject hard drive sale ! ! ! organization university maryland lines 6 nntp posting host coke eng umd edu brand new 1 2gb seagate scsi hard drive 15ms access time , full height 5 1 4 size 1100 h leave e mail interested
malik 2 uni kl de \( thomas malik \) subject overriding default wm behaviour organization kaiserslautern lines 3 distribution world nntp posting host ws 406 uni kl de specify \( \? \) places windows interactively pseudo random positions screens
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject let's go buffalo ! organization ub lines 22 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu article appserv eng sun com mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes article 93111 psuvm psu edu robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes article andrew cmu edu , william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu says know , never really appreciated ! looks like bob errey 's ring really locker room , everyone else wants one , ! \) correct i'm wrong though , \( , fuhr 's 5 rings errey 's n't bob 2 rings \? regardless , 'd errey 's couple games hip injury valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject fj1100 1200 owners tankbag suggestions wanted organization summary good tankbag lines 23 bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article 1993apr20 195116 ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu \( mar marten \) writes looking new tank bag , wondered , follow fj1100 1200 owners , could make suggestions , worked fj 's large , flat gas tank , 'd imagine almost anything would work personally , i'm quite happy eclipse standard tank bag even bought 3 piece k2 set , dk puts sale 50 clear inventory , never seem go away tank bags , guess btw , late paul o' showed trick pair pliers extend life considerably zipper starts separate behind pull \( age wear \) , squash pull body pliers bit tighten back would tossed bag three years ago , fixed kept secure reliable chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization virginia tech , blacksburg , virginia lines 27 nntp posting host joesbar cc vt edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 allan hatcher \( ahatcher athena cs uga edu \) wrote well , goes lurking long time , 'll announce yes , i'm enemy enemy also happens ride arrest red 90 vfr n't generally consider police officers enemy hope n't think bikers general attitude stereotypes suck either way 'll entertain questions answers reflect georgia law may apply state p anyone got suit sale \? n't get flamed cop ca n't promise wo n't jerks newsgroup , 've lurking already know might get lots flames try convince people know badge course , get moderate amount flamage expressing opinion , matter opinion somebody flame , ordered official dod yet \? , , patches \? tell boss going undercover real biker gang \) bill ranck \( 703 \) 231 9503 bill ranck vt edu computing center , virginia polytchnic inst state univ , blacksburg , va
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject arsenokoitai nt meaning organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 210 conviction sin meta exegetical methodological essay article may 14 02 10 06 1993 25123 athos rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes ca n't post , come piece meal daily look forward reading got library last week , object view look articles appeared last years , since previous look literature un fortunately , moved journal back issues , n't get look articles hoping find continue reserve judgment arsenokoitai seen latest scholarly work , hope rexlex 's posting may give meat chew however , , point methodological issues needs shown anything concluded matter article rexlex posts addresses issues , much better , perhaps understand problem hard james b deyoung writes , study argues paul coined term arsenokoitai , deriving lxx lev 20 12 \( cf 18 22 \) using homosexual orientation behavior minor point , let make anyway de young already contradicted prior assertion abstract ancient analysis issues concerned actions orientation doubt much bearing article , thought point start hypothesis de young advancing paul \) coined word b \) intended meaning reference levitical law questions wish raise 1 \) would one go confirming truth hypothesis \? 2 \) follows one accepts \( stipulates , sake discussion \) correct \? note b \) independent \) consider b \) far plausible \) , seems merely counsel despair finding nothing literature contemporary paul clarify word far know , paul general invent words anywhere else letters unless otherwise established pattern , sound methodology assume particularly gives hint ate text fix coinage 's meaning audience yet , extract presents evidence need confirm reject hypothesis \? \( , say outset , find somewhat plausible certainly know nothing makes impossible way problem passage \) i'm going set aside moment question whether paul might coined usage , look question means , principle , two kinds evidence , internal external , look text paul 's letter clarification look outside prior contemporary writings paul might relied , derivative writings claim access paul 's meaning single worst problem word corinthians internal evidence paul 's meaning uses word totally without explanation hint meaning , save inclusion list negatives implies negative meaning left , internal clue , etymology formation word indeed reason de young \( others \) associated leviticus prohibition men men , verb standard euphemism sex \( lie leviticus , bed greek \) one problem \( koitai \) , far know , used way greek therefore , offer one serious test de young 's hypothesis must pass rejected find body greek texts contemporary paul \( much prior day \) x koitai formation implies men sex x obviously , best case find arsenokoitai texts would confirmation word read way worth emphasizing compound words general projecting reader may imagine roots existence parallels n't prove hypothesis correct goes long way towards making usage \( whether original paul specific case x arse n \) possible comprehension readers test moves direction external evidence paul text explain word \( \) , expect readers already know word \( stands coinage \) expect mimics word know , guess meaning without much external evidence , , texts paul 's social historical considerations might , come picture uses word , dependent paul , sufficient internal \( contextual \) evidence gloss contemporary scribe show derogatory reference male , similar koitai used similar ways , one grounds denying paul coined word assuming readers might understand meaning see problem \? paul coined word , requires readers share enough context comprehend coinage intent case would \( de young 's guess \) understand referring levitical universal prohibition male male sex \( , mind , context paul emphasized least congregations \( one assumes corinthians else explain 1 cor 6 12 , corinthians pulled back freedom \? \) non torah law gentile converts ! \) among considerations make implausible paul coined word , first element archaic arse n old attic form even classical \( let alone \) times would assimilated n , implies even usually external evidence pin meaning usage paul inventing word obsolete attic formation \? n't coin word , picked like others list common terms , meaning readers constrained common meaning \( since gives \) cannot emphasize enough paul tell us means word \( original readers \) guessing , least , contemporary context maybe paul used word explained great detail person trace evidence , suppose mere fantasy desperately need external evidence word seems exceptionally precisely problem think several less equally plausible hypotheses word \) standard gutter term abuse \( , maybe specific , maybe general \) homosexual male activities b \) term abuse used jews awful homosexual greeks \( may may consciously associated part leviticus passage \) c \) paul invented term may may association leviticus may may intend word explicit universal application absolute clear boundaries since none words list character , last seems least plausible hypotheses i'm advancing , 'd say top head \) plausible still reservations , word never appears paul , later uses evidence depending paul , one opt paul 's appear , might still coined unaware prior use \( case , coinage inherently confusing ! \) one normally c \) basis earlier uses \( especially shown common places paul traveled \) either \) b \) cases , one take account paul 's relation community usage picked word whether greek jewish communities , paul 's relations hardly straight forward ! , far yet seen , little external evidence aid us selecting one \( \) hypothesis guess good mine \( maybe worse maybe better , depending lot things \) remains far n't know , one equate human god means convinced conscience paul getting says elsewhere day major controversy somewhat character \( romans 14 22 23 \) hold belief , god consider man fortunate make decision without going conscience anybody eats state doubt condemned , good faith , every act done bad faith sin part , cannot see way resolve paul 's meaning use arsenokoitai without directly applicable external evidence nature external evidence , never reach certainty paul 's intent paul , like humpty dumpty \( , rest us \) use words ways personal choices sometimes leave readers puzzled leads god , may blessed lead away \( paul 's words led people \) , paul 's intense effort contrive meaning souls may regretable consequences always found paul reliable guide read large , see lay position detail hammer home time time much less certain meaning many brief cryptic passages \( one \) usual way , gone great length first intended meta exegetical points would needed confirm paul \) coined b \) case meant word mean leviticus prohibition second point hypo thesis , follow implies initial readers later christians given , tomorrow night 's meditation \) michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
adrian ora com \( adrian nye \) subject cannot create 24 plane window \( summary \) organization o'reilly associates , inc lines 23 reply adrian ora com nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu got several answers , complete crary \( tv tv tek com \) looked r4 server listings \( mit server window c \) several ways get badmatch error , even though o'reilly book says inputonly third edition \( june 92 \) o'reilly book \( vol 2 \) xcreatewindow says badmatch invalid setting window attribute attribute besides win gravity , event mask , mask , override redirect , cursor specified inputonly window depth non zero inputonly parent inputoutput inputonly border width non zero inputonly depth visual invalid screen width height 0 adrian nye o'reilly associates
mike defiance edu au \( michael paull \) subject dx chips organization victoria university technology lines 10 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 486 dx 33 motherboard pc 'd like speed 'd rather replace whole motherboard , instead 'd like know use dx 2 66mhz cpu bios late model ami , circa 1991 , system crystal approx 66 question , replace original 33mhz cpu new dx 2 cpu \? possible , need extra cooling devices fans \? \? mike
tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com \( tom albrecht \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization unisys , applied technology , , pa lines 11 article 1993apr20 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes armed teeth christian rely physical weapons defend christian rely faith intelligence faith intelligence tell breaks house night knife kill 2 wallet , 357 considerably persuasive tom albrecht
ceci lysator liu se \( \) subject rosicrucian order \( \) \? ! organization lysator acs linkoping university lines 50 sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes anyway , n't anything amorc , wanted point secret organizations lead human beings , know means , interesting experience rosicrucians , least rosicrucians sort last sunday advertised holding lecture titled king room heart \( swedish \) curiosity , went lecture four people apart two rosicrucians , one woman two men apart rosicrucians male , first one told us rosicrucians lectorium rosicrucianum , founded harlem , nl 1925 read straight piece paper , point lacked experience talking front people , guy read , , used holding speeches , could tell first guy also said r mystical christian order , base teachings teachings \( english \? \) thirteenth century guy took , reading piece paper fairy tale 's voice said sounded like load crap course might unenlightened something made bit suspicious , way first said contained something divine , could find way back divinity , could n't become divine persons currently , worked really hard would reach eternal bliss maybe 've read much raw , sounded much like things talks chapter people friends prometheus rising interesting watch two rosicrucians one holding actual lecture , obviously top dog , one seemed true believer got impression top dog distance faith true believer , used gain power admiration spoke like fairy tale , whenever remembered \) information brochure home want address , please e mail ceci ceci lysator liu se men jag nd att emacs r os lars \( still , think emacs fairly good operating system \)
howard metaphor com \( lee howard \) subject gun like american express card reply howard metaphor com \( lee howard \) organization m4 lines 25 article undergrad math uwaterloo ca , papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( paul prescod \) writes article 1993apr8 anasazi com john anasazi com \( john r moore \) writes driving heavily used street middle day , car 5 young black males pulled behind , one occupants fired 8 9mm rounds rear truck man pulled pistols returned fire , driving attackers child suffered flesh wound arm , parents sustained incident beautiful country people built enjoy yes , beautiful country enjoy , enjoy thought means exercise rights defend mine want thank good folks , like prescod , remind along line , watched documentary one nazi concentration camps stacks stacks bodies scenes hitler , struck , reverence faces people crowds guess happy hitler implemented full gun control taking care jewish problem time lee
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! article rwing 2100 organization totally unorganized lines 27 article dusek shale dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) writes ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) writes cultists \) think 'll quote bbc quoting \( actually voice interview \) one two british survivors claimed fire started tanks caused internal wooden wall roof collapse knocking kerosene lamps suicide plan fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? assuming fire caused lanterns stoves knocked tanks pushing walls \( would shake building pretty good \) perhaps n't flee fleeing would meant entering fire side \? like surrounded fire , rubble , finally \( combined teargas , combustion gasses \) overcame \? words trapped flames , heat , fumes rubble \? sound plausable \? dramatic korash forcing stay , shooting \( shot victims found yet \) , plausable pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
dasmith sunburn ec usf edu \( david smith \( ge \) \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? organization univ south florida , college engineering lines 14 nntp posting host sunburn usf edu inkjet bubblejet printers tech bubblejet trademarked cannon inkjet hp belive seen , bubblejet \( apple stylewriter cannon engine \) 360 dpi rated output output good quality paper , cheap paper gives bad results use sealed paper ink less dark toner \( apple personal laserwriter ntx \) , difference 300 1500 david smith like skate side ice dasmith ec usf edu n't , n't know anything csee usf edu either usf better know i'm \)
avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) subject cd300 audio cd scsi commands organization dso , stanford university lines 8 hi anyone know would get started writing device driver apple cd300 cd rom drive , read audio cd formats scsi bus \? thanks , avery
doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) subject roc curves software organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines 10 understand robert program called roc analyzer , used receiver operating characteristic \( roc \) curve analysis anyone know avaliable ftp site \? , anyone know get copy \? howard doyle doyle pitt edu
mmatusev radford vak12ed edu \( melissa n matusevich \) subject sumatripton \( spelling \? \) organization virginia 's public education network \( radford \) lines 5 received fda approval months ago prescription n't use yet believe company developing oral form stage , one must inject drug one 's muscle doctor said within 30 minutes , migraine gone good !
cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) subject \? organization institute systems science , nus x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 20 boyd acsu buffalo edu \( daniel f boyd \) writes bible incredible proof christianity , n't muslims hindus convinced \? qur'an incredible proof islam , n't hindus christians convinced \? god exists , n't atheists convinced \? tan chade meng yes , sir , one question singapore cmtan iss nus sg going \? !
pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) subject mvp '92 revisited organization state university new york albany lines 25 reply dtate pitt edu 's message 20 apr 93 17 31 58 gmt total baseball , also tries evaluate player 's total offensive defensive contributions , gives barry bonds total player rating 9 0 1992 one player since ruth attained mark cal ripken 1984 season rounding top five offensive players nl last season sheffield , 5 9 sandberg , 5 8 van slyke , 5 3 larkin , 4 7 top 5 offensive players al 1992 e martinez , 4 8 ventura , 4 8 anderson , 4 5 r henderson , 4 4 thomas , 4 4 short , total baseball says bonds enjoyed one best seasons ever game 's history better year mantle , mays , williams , etc \( disagree , n't flame flame writers total baseball \) also , martinez ventura neck neck , given shortcomings statistical analysis , one better year considered toss thus , total baseball supports choices bonds ventura mvps 1992 phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu
menon boulder colorado edu \( ravi deantha menon \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros nntp posting host beagle colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 43 deja vu uiuc edu \( \) writes ca n't imagine 's like penis , much less foreskin guess american medicine artistic job circumcising every male , visual result would somewhat natural appearance penile cancer thing completely must going school south pacific island tell check journal urology circumcision articles remember least 1 old jewish man \( cut birth \) developed penile cancer mean , cancer risk great , europe circumcising like crazy , teaching boy keep clean issue little proper hygiene goes long way americans hung penis consider cleaning 's way much like surgical intervention basically unnecessary peter university illinois urbana champaign first , use decent terms ya n't mind sci med , alt sex secondly , absolutely bogus assume american 's hung penis blah , blah think american 's n't care anything think looks nicer ask see response get others still opt circumcision due religious traditions beliefs think easier clean still others daddy naive think american 's afraid sexuality son circumcised , vouch argument difficult keep clean circumcised kids' much foreskin difficult pull back \( n't \) son n't want wait long enough thorough check misplaced feces , many times gets dab worries might get infection due lack cooperation sure , however , able handle cleaning foreskin old enough , always decision change time clean wait till next time
siap org \( \( \) \) subject dump login screen keywords dump reply siap org organization siap p lines 23 nntp posting host i'm running hp ux 8 07 hp vue 2 01 need hardcopy login window \( one asking login password \) include manual tried xwd display hostname 0 root login xwd login remote terminal , n't work xwd seems wait window server , window server n't answer suggestions \? must use xwd n't access ftp ca n't obtain another program grab screen thanks advance siap p via g b , 93 milano italy e mail siap org
gchin ssf eng sun com \( gary chin \) subject two people married god 's e reply gchin ssf eng sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 20 article geneva rutgers edu , jenk microsoft com \( jen kilmer \) writes article apr 24 01 09 13 1993 geneva rutgers edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes none states currently recognize sex marriages , know several couples whose marriages stable loving long lasting legally married friends relatives \( drives one friend 's family crazy brothers divorced twice , parents divorced , filthy gay married partner 20 years \) marriages stable loving long lasting , n't make right sex partners could best friends , without getting sexually involved gary chin staff engineer sun microsystems mt view , ca gchin eng sun com
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject wanted police officers answer posting organization duke university durham , n c lines 10 nntp posting host north1 acpub duke edu really expect cop answer honestly \? \( first gotta expect cop honest 's another story \) andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
gibson nukta geop ubc ca \( brad gibson \) subject usenet hockey draft final standings organization dept astronomy univ british columbia lines 41 nntp posting host nukta astro ubc ca article idacom hp com andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) writes final usenet hockey draft congratulations year 's winner , dave wessels victoria , b c , initial 1000 points 1575 9 points ! thanks 262 teams entering biggest usenet hockey draft ever ! hope hear september , 7th annual draft usenet hockey draft standings week 28 posn team total pts cash last posn 1 dave wessels 1575 9 1 9 \( 1 \) 79 brad gibson 1174 2 1147 27 2 \( 79 \) 262 riga 658 0 603 571 6 \( 262 \) interesting note absolutely recollection team picked players 2 weeks start season , never touched roster got wrapped money pool decided get involved usenet pool \( sorry andrew btw \) thing remember team joe sacco maybe john maclean maybe francis kevin stevens well curiousity checked final standings today r h , find amazement absolutely input , initial team still managed ! i'm sure implies finished \) ciao brad gibson brad k gibson internet gibson geop ubc ca dept geophysics astronomy 129 main mall phone \( 604 \) 822 university british columbia fax \( 604 \) 822 vancouver , british columbia , canada v6t 1z4
arens isi edu \( yigal arens \) subject lying torture organization usc information sciences institute lines 54 distribution world nntp posting host grl isi edu , april 9 , 1993 excerpt one \( reference general , shamir 's military secretary irrelevant excerpt \) mid '91 shabak found center another storm year half earlier , sheikh ali , 27 , member islamic jihad , died shabak installation gaza prison two shabak interrogators responsible death put trial september '91 supreme court rejected appeal sentenced 6 months prison far known , first time israel 's history shabak operatives sent prison supreme court unanimously rejected warning director shabak sentence detrimental effectiveness interrogators judges case barak , goldberg , matza realized , interrogators agreed talk deputy state attorney rachel sp \? placed charge investigating affair questioned directors shabak divisions investigated matter death gaza prison discovered torture , also culture lies , judge landau described report two years , still much existence nothing changed report classified seen ten people , among prime minister , people top judicial system judge landau director shabak claimed know , dealing single jail low ranking people system bit bullet accepted explanation one shabak 's high ranking officials transfered high position less high position culture lies referred shabak policy lying court denying claims tortured course interrogation landau commission sought correct problem legalizing list torture methods thus eliminating fear might released methods used extract confession fact need lie still persists would seem indicate shabak sticking approved torture methods yigal yigal arens usc isi tv made ! arens isi edu
amaranth vela acs oakland edu \( paul amaranth \) subject tapes serial cables organization oakland university , rochester mi lines 27 distribution usa nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu 's basement cleaning time stuff got go two boxes 9 track tapes , around 20 tapes box free anyone wants come pick 've seen little use anyone wants bad enough ship , 're cost shipping , cod charge 10 fee lot serial cables kinds , ribbon , shielded , long , short , f whatever want appear work well pc serial ports , tell want 'll best match 1 50 ea 10 10 shipping included 20 \( want pay 5 cod charge 1 50 cable \? go buy cable local computer store instead , 'll cheaper \) believe cables removed service computer center appear good condition ones used worked well also 15 ups batteries needs minor repair , probably logic board weighs 280 pounds 36 inches high think used run prime system best offer 75 , need come pick use run house solar panels consider reasonable offers stuff paul amaranth manager user services office \( 313 \) 370 \( also voicemail \) \( internet \) amaranth vela acs oakland edu space \( bitnet \) amaranth oakland temporarily \( uucp \) ! uunet ! umich ! vela ! amaranth empty
campbers craft clarkson edu \( bob campbell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 17 vishnepolsky r rogers lines 7 reply vax cns muskingum edu disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host campbers bocaraton ibm com organization clarkson university yamanari , hey n't funny bugs hey favor n't put stupid posts bob clarkson university , ny campbers craft clarkson edu
dagibbs quantum qnx com \( david gibbs \) subject countersteering sans hands organization qnx software systems , ltd lines 22 article 1993apr20 cs cornell edu karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) writes article clarke 6 bdrc bd com clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) writes steer hands n't bars \? \( open budweiser left hand , camel cigarette right , feet allowed \) lean , bike turns , countersteering \? , bars would turn toward direction turn hands steering case original poster looking serious answer , 'll supply one yes , even steering hands something quite similar countersteering basically turn left , quick wiggle bike right first , causing lean occur left lot difficult motorcycle bicycle though , extra weight \( ok , motorcycle heavy maybe n't \) david
warlord mit edu \( derek atkins \) subject clipper conference calls organization massachusetts institute technology lines 28 nntp posting host podge mit edu reply smb research att com 's message sun , 25 apr 1993 11 48 20 gmt article 1993apr25 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes article netnews upenn edu , feeley cattell psych upenn edu \( wm michael feeley \) writes curious , would clipper chip system handle conference calls \? 's clipper , 's encryption system 've seen number designs generally involve multi line cleartext bridge depending encryption system , long everyone key , done example , using vat , internet audio tool , conference call , encrypting session \( unfortunately , one site work , n't cpu , n't sound good different site \) , n't clear text bridge , totally internal one sites involved conversation derek derek atkins , mit '93 , electrical engineering computer science secretary , mit student information processing board \( sipb \) mit media laboratory , speech research group warlord mit edu pp asel n1nwh
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject triple des keywords des organization loral rolm computer systems lines 5 please post news ,
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject gun like american express card organization stratus computer , inc lines 76 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio , thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes i`m saying ban guns , take away responsible owners gun control laws end politicians never manage get handle obtain arms illegally , laws ever restrict people obtain legally karen , local attorney , states two million licensed gun owners massachusetts past year , number licensed gun owners involved gun crimes something like six yet , large number gun crimes state last year passing laws restricting people already obeying laws pay \? i`m guns treated respect owners , sellers legislators far , 've seen treated least respect legislators believe guns problem many countries crime rates would fell restricted see , call argument religion believe n't believe 's necessary take faith go look history countries passed gun restrictions pay particular attention whether violent crime higher restrictions lower \( n't look violent gun crimes , 's begging question \) may surprised crimes done guns stopped accidents also stopped reduced minimum would consider lifting gun control absolutely backwards crime stopped presence strict gun control , way would consider lifting however , gun control made absolutely improvement violent crime rate , that's would lifted think far , none stats show improvement car accidents fell minimum europe , \( probably people know \) would demand easier drivers tests \( ca 20 hours 2500 today \) really think driver 's tests indication propensity accidents \? 've never known anybody stupid enough take driving test drunk night two fighting kids back seat hot cup coffee lap putting makeup , reading newspaper , talking cellular phone 's 're accidents words legislation neccacery ! ! anything positive effect ever necessary \? one gun month case virginia thinking reactions proposal loud civil rights 2 amendment n't help , winnie poh want peace weapons winnie \? yes please ! i'm sorry , n't remember story winnie pooh offered weapons cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject jacob esau \( reincarnation \) lines 58 article may 12 04 30 10 1993 athos rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes gerry palo wrote nothing christianity excludes theory succession lives wrote apostle paul , romans 9 , speaks god choosing jacob esau , adds result anything either child done , since born yet clearly , paul believe previous lives , suppose readers believe previous lives , would make sense say , neither done anything good bad yet , since yet born paul 's statement asserts particular choice matter fulfillment past , fate man born blind \( john 9 \) question simplistic idea karma machine sole one 's destiny even eastern traditions , many , say , one knowledgeable poster pointed fact paul know believe reincarnation say anything one way another even john baptist , jesus says emphatically elijah \( matt 11 14 \) , appear aware , least point asked interesting denial question whether christ , prophet \( e isaiah \) , elijah , first case weak third would like add , important discuss different passages may point directly teaching repeated earth lives , one way another , really see important time subject revisited terms larger view christianity christian doctrine part , accept either reject central ideas christianity , christians , hold conviction kind separate treasure believe christianity important new understanding bring bear , vice versa , much central christianity takes entirely new dimensions meaning light repeated earth lives direct bearing many issues frequently discussed newsgroup particular said openly developed views repeated earth lives largely work rudolf steiner hold authority , whole picture christianity becomes clearer light ideas steiner indicated old consciousness nation necessarily fade away could renewed later times , time development christ idea first two millenia christ 's deed golgotha time , becomes important , received basic gospel salvation , understanding life human grow embrace significance idea discussions newsgroup , tried focus related directly possible scripture fundamental christian teaching tradition gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \)
johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization hewlett packard vcd x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 32 paul robichaux \( lambda msfc nasa gov \) wrote private citizen , would feel much secure person papers knowing organization committed individual civil liberties aclu nra come mind safeguarding half key aclu nra government pressure simple expedient fact supported , funded , overtly controlled government thats one problem far overlooked two escrow agencies create secure database service input output keys pays \? refuse illegal request congressman deliver key budget cut punish \? congress forced fund forever \? problem laws change congress may pass law setting escrow agency instructions keys private future congress may change law suppose pre nazi germany clipper system think escrow agencies would told hitler could keys without valid court order \? effect must set escrow agencies fourth branch goverment isolate outside able directly tap federal funds accountability anyone except court challenge john eaton ! hp vcd ! johne
baxter ped pto ford com \( gene baxter \) subject let 's build software cryptophones internet nntp posting host ped pto ford com organization ford motor co , electronics x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 lines 27 douglas craig holland \( holland cs colostate edu \) wrote article demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes article sol tis com mjr tis com \( marcus j ranum \) writes 'd really like see thing developed interactive internet talk radio could done ideally , though , general purpose device general purpose enough device nobody able balk widespread use obviously , make easy , use pretty common hardware n't move even toward masses setting ibm pc clone \( probably needs 386 486 \) sound blaster v 32bis modem components widely concur pc pc version interactive thing like internet talk radio \? ! \? ! makes cringe amount hogging thing would bandwidth internet mean 15 meg files getting floated around internet talk radio bad enough solution use phone system take electronics use point point conversations phone thats need tell someone something secret important would n't make sense write \? 's quick yo use code word spend twenty cents good ol analog systems like , telephones , tv 's use n't nice digital packet network trying emulate ! baxter baxter
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject new study gay percentage organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 26 nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article f3p murdoch acc virginia edu , gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) writes article philc5n6d5 mk3 netcom com phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) writes tells something fascist politics practiced ah , ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy , university virginia force people associate others , yes 're associate fascism ! n't associate anyone go live cave wo n't miss drewcifer bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization university arizona mis department lines 46 nntp posting host bpavms bpa arizona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 may faq \( , please direct known answer \) getting frustrated looking help running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close load windows start 83 resources available many application programs run regularly \( 5 2 , vb 2 0 , winqvt 2 8 , lotus organizer , etc \) seem return resources exit day two work often find 50 available resources even applications shell running aware known problem looking suggestions might mitigate 1 software culprit \? win 3 1 , ndw , applications \? modes win 3 1 \( standard , real , enhanced \) better others plugging leak \? 2 system ini switches set help plug leak \? 3 people know patches third party software help \? seems like increasing better managing system resources great market third party memory company like qemm 4 run progman instead ndw leak \? \( hoping ndw 2 2 would plugged , seems different 2 0 deals memory resources \) 5 writing vb code things make less likely code eat resources \? 6 suggestions n't know enough ask specifically \? thanks help common problem seen little discussion net probably others would like read answers please publish rather sending email danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu \( 602 \) 621
pablo ing puc cl \( pablo l \) subject file sharing magneto \? nntp posting host ing puc cl organization pontificia universidad catolica de chile x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 25 vanover \( vanover boeing com \) wrote co worker attached magneto optical drive mac works great however , tried turn file sharing , would n't work message volumes \? \? \? anyone success sharing mos \? , please tell ! hi needs insert mo get turned , one see disk owner machine \( i'm sure seems check allow owner see entire disk enabled \) bad thing ca n't eject disk fs turned hope helps pablo l mis son \( te las \) email pablo ing puc cl seeds , santiago , chile research i'm n't know i'm w von braun
fig citib com \( greg \) subject write clinton organization citibank lines 29 article transfer stratus com cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes 've reading sci crypt , alt privacy clipper comp org eff talk discussions clipper chip find \( usual \) us think alike 's lot messages sent clinton well net \( instead net \) , might actually effect 0005895485 mcimail com \( white house \) white house e mail address really working yet \? someone posted address compuserve months ago , apparently white house n't really set hundreds \( thousands \? \) messages day account n't want people use yet mci address something people white house actually read , another craig story \? n't know i'm asking unless people white house print distribute mail every day , may better luck printing letter \( paper , flat white stuff desk \) snail mailing white house imagine writing local representative senator would n't hurt either heck , write al gore 're \? greg greg citibank fig citib com
gp2011 andy bgsu edu \( george pavlic \) subject lemieux 's getting hart jeez hope ! organization bowling green state university b g , oh lines 42 article 22apr93 02956996 0062 unbvm1 csd unb ca , patrick walker f1hh unb ca wrote get hart \? gretzky , million years least year n't played year yzerman , though would nice , n't think 'll get , 's consistent , well known \( thought ! \) mario jesus ! 's bad enough utter word without extremely sick pissed guy 's think become jeez , ha enough falling ! stick n't come near , gotta fall , got get penalty team ! 's annual whine thon today 's host , jerry lewis way , canadian , play little , watched hockey night canada , \( never missed show ! \) , one , well , , home team finals , hockey fan ten minutes give f king break mario best player ever ! gretzky die \? wish bobby clarke still around , 'd know like mario ! 'd bounce around like puck condone violence , 'll make exception mario mario going complain hit , someone give scotty something real complain sorry ramble see hate mario pat walker unb , along mario lemieux , must another planet difference lemieux comes one geo washington , abe lincoln \( many great men women world \) whereas come one david koresh yeah , mario good drawing penalties , would n't try something \( claim play \) give team advantage \? n't remember lemieux getting diving penalties year , whereas many others finally , mario never complained hit knows 's part game gets back even bigger hit guy scoring goals \( setting \) n't compassion man gone much life \? george
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 29 article 1993apr20 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes n't many 's games , \? 's also difference tolerant long games i'm watching tube , i'm going person , going 's game become major commitment time , one i'm willing make often length games costing 's revenue stopped going 's games years ago still lived inthe bay area exactly reason believe length games institutionalized larussa duncan encourage pitchers overly deliberate , throw first often , study signals , almost every 's hitter takes step box every pitch , imo , coincidence planned hate gant situation , see game replays wonder gant requested time \? would hirschbeck required give \? could denied \? \( ump \) knew , gant could dirt eye mark singer mss netcom com
jeff lombardi \( jeff lombardi \) subject notebook computer wanted organization nemesis usenet gateway denver , colorado lines 13 powerbook 170 4 40 1 year old warranty , perfect condition \( original apple fax modem \) , would consider selling around 1000 get back think would equitable arrangements \( sp \? \) manuals system disks , software boxes loaded , threw mac packaging ts origin hp nemesis ph \( 23 303 1 \) jeff lombardi via node 23 303 1 uucp ! scicom ! ! jeff lombardi internet jeff lombardi
cs1 uct ac za \( r \) subject hd tv sound systems organization computer science department , university cape town lines 2 would like get information current systems used hd tv sound systems thanks
kmembry viamar uucp \( kirk membry \) subject roman bmp \( ! \) reply rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry organization private system lines 12 please n't post uuencoded bitmaps want , put alt binaries areas files large may crash users 's also waste band width also , know convert gif bmp many programs 'd really worth posting bmp files thanks kirk membry age age industry rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry alexander rodchenko
karim edvard ahmed ka0k andrew cmu edu subject minnesota shame \? organization senior , economics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply constellation ecn uoknor edu 've impression minnesota one , possibly , hockey state u team moving city texas \? owner greedy , self serving , stars really making profit \? city whoever owned arena price \? norman green claims lost money last three years owned team bought team , seemed kind obvious going deal years red , team started making profit gave impression willing claimed two years ago team needed average 8000 fans per game order pull profit , season team averaged fans , despite ticket prices think team 's play clearly upward trend , leaves could ignore deciding move even offered many concessions demanded , guaranteed season ticket sales , cheap rent two arenas town , etc oh well , guess bottom line green wanted immediate huge returns dallas , n't willing wait another year mn dallas gave green pretty stellar deal play \( although feel minnesota 's quite reasonable \) , also cronies well means , minnesota without nhl team year two bad nhl kea
davidr rincon ema rockwell com \( david j ray \) subject info \? \? organization rockwell international x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 11 sean murphy \( sean aries scs uiuc edu \) wrote anyone seen \? buy poster looks like simple dot pattern first look focus behind see 3d picture i'm looking program generates pictures 's company texas makes doubt 're giving program away help would appreciated program included book virtual reality let generate pictures 's powerful program acceptable job experimentation purposes davidr rincon ema rockwell com
cimmeria gatech edu \( thomas miller \) subject braves giants organization georgia institute technology lines 31 nntp posting host cimmeria gatech edu article spd hp com spd hp com \( gary rosen \) writes \( thomas miller \) 5 39 apr 19 , 1993 anyone else think weekend 's four game series really strange one \? yeah , real strange think braves awarded nl west title without actually play games gary rosen n't say say \? wow , ca n't believe anyone would think braves \( team , matter \) get title free person would , thought incredible thomas miller cimmeria gatech edu systems support specialist ii georgia tech network services looked behold , pale horse name , sat , death hell followed
yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \( maw ying yuan \) subject replacement program manager file manager \? organization university hawaii , college engineering lines 12 hi , could someone please suggest one better shareware replacements win3 1 's program manager file manager \? ftp site located \? thanks advance e mail response yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \)
mac utkvx bitnet \( richard j mcdougald \) subject help needed dxf iff organization university tennessee lines 30 article blue knight bknight jpr com blue knight bknight jpr com \( german \) writes article 1993apr30 news columbia edu ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu \( pei hsieh \) writes hi sorry faq , conversion utilities available autodesk dxf amiga iff format \? checked comp graphics faq number sites , far banana please e mail dxf changed iff format changed object format used one 3d programs amiga tools around comercial conversion hijaak claims convert dxf iff , although hijaak claims stuff never gotten work \( example , long ago tried convert iff files amiga video toaster \( using , pc could read disks \) int targa files hijaak made gorgeous 1 5 megabyte targa files totally black ! mac mcdougald opinions expressed herein photography center necessarily \( actually , univ tenn knoxville almost certainly \) mac utkvx utk edu university tennessee mac utkvx bitnet \( 615 974 \) things like \( 615 974 \) fax 've ever
turing toronto edu \( arthur \) subject features answering machines \( esp digital \) keywords wish list , novelty organization csri , university toronto lines 17 hello , i'm curious sort neat features exist high end answering machines today particular , i'm interested features digital answering machines also , typical amount storage \( minutes \) digital answering machines \? reason \? i'm hacking together answering machine program zyxel modem i'm wondering i'm missing something wish list arthur first fact face unix developed security , reliable sense , mind fact alone guarantees vast number holes security unix , dennis arthur turing utoronto ca
io20456 maine maine edu \( ryan robbins \) subject infield fly rule 1993apr15 scott skidmore edu 93106 maine maine edu 1993apr20 holos0 uucp organization university maine system lines 7 ca n't call time 's play progress ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine io20456 maine maine edu
cbnewsb cb att com \( mr x \) subject guns backcountry \? thanks organization twilight zone lines 77 article netnews upenn edu cis upenn edu \( \) writes article 1993apr16 csd newshost stanford edu , andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) writes article 1993apr16 midway uchicago edu uchicago edu \( kevin geraghty \) writes wrong whole guns protection mindset , ignores systemic effects cumulative individual actions want fire insurance house 's prudent effect bunch paranoids packing handguns backcountry makes , anyone else n't chose protect manner , pretty f king nervous \? 're threat , 're affected aha 's part makes nervous gets decide threat \? might possibly receiving end violent gesture , get decide someone like , bad would exactly living creature would terms evaluation 's big deal \? based appearance \? sometimes would someone feel threatened approached dirty , , slightly looking person slight eyes , \? might n't describe 've couple days \? experience let us forget context often important factor evaluating situation seeing persons hiking trail likely evaluated equally meeting sort , described , lonely city street 3 anyone cannot properly discriminate two different situations legitimate fodder old survival principle based something else \? proximity \? room pass trail without getting real close someone inner sense \? i'm really getting nervous sounds like doubt abilities sound pretty typical respect also seem think 'll safe safer others unarmed dangerous fantasy twice hiking came shelter planning staying saw someone sitting cleaning gun softly backed away , another 5 miles get 'll freely admit i'm afraid guns i'm afraid people bring backcountry need form therapy necessarily analyst , maybe learn guns fear seems based ignorance false knowledge see person gun feel threatened \? legitimate basis \? first hand experience lends validity fears \? fears based mediated experience , e anecdotes others network news \? trust see lack legitimacy mediated inputs \? afraid people mentioned \? forgive , sound afraid point paranoia perhaps talk someone saying rude , think anyone fear deep baseless seems needs sort help living fear really sucks , even around people guns back country tell would fearful park ranger right front side arm clear view \? \? andy v
mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) subject two people married god 's e organization computer science dept , qmw , university london , uk lines 43 article may 7 01 08 49 1993 athos rutgers edu gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes capital punishment feel way god god love , god justice christians instruments earth , expected true mandate given us lord judge actions fellow man favorite scriptural reference regard romans 13 1 7 let every person subordinate higher authorities , authority except god , exist established god therefore , whoever authority opposes god appointed , oppose bring judgment upon views reflect teaching roman catholic church would say extent roman catholic church neither approves disapproves capital punishment , confirmed recent catechism , though many rcs rather surprised upset capital punishment explicitly condemned , catholic , see opposition capital punishment much opposition abortion reverence life uk , anti abortion case often let explicit link political left make anti abortionists pro tendency condemn people hold views hypocrites feel many anti abortionists also vocal opposition capital punishment pro life line , would end kneejerk association anti abortion right wing thing , get many think seriously issue \( plenty pro abortion equally kneejerk left wing reason \) think biblical quote automatically taken support capital punishment take roman catholic opposed abortion , would still wrong , something objected even authority matthew huntbach
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject tempest distribution na nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 25 article 1993apr25 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes article 1993apr24 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes hell , set spark jammer , electrically noisy device 've noted , likely get around directional sensor phased array systems could completely defeat scheme true , basic idea behind communications security system absolutely deny access , make access expensive \( time , money , manpower \) worth another idea use laptop computer mentioned earlier , lcd screen lot less noisy standard crt , since many laptops power supplies run 3 volts instead 5 , would considerably quieter doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
freenet carleton ca \( nigel allen \) subject text president clinton 's letter congress iranian assets reply freenet carleton ca \( nigel allen \) organization national capital freenet , ottawa lines 143 press release white house text president clinton 's letter congress iranian assets national desk contact white house press office , 202 456 2100 washington , may 14 following letter president clinton wrote congress iranian assets congress united states hereby report congress developments since last presidential report november 10 , 1992 , concerning national emergency respect iran declared executive order november 14 , 1979 , matters relating executive order october 29 , 1987 report submitted pursuant section 204 \( c \) international emergency economic powers act , 50 u c \( c \) , section 505 \( c \) international security development cooperation act 1985 , 22 u c 9 \( c \) report covers events march 31 , 1993 last report , dated november 10 , 1992 , covered events october 15 , 1992 1 amendments iranian transactions regulations \( itrs \) , 31 part 560 , iranian assets control regulations \( \) , 31 part 535 , since last report 2 office foreign assets control \( fac \) department treasury continues process applications import licenses itrs however , previously reported , recent amendments itrs resulted substantial decrease number applications received relating importation iranian origin goods reporting period , customs service continued effect numerous seizures iranian origin merchandise , primarily , violation import prohibitions itrs fac customs service violations resulted forfeiture actions imposition civil monetary penalties additional forfeiture civil penalty actions review 3 iran united states claims tribunal \( tribunal \) , established hague pursuant algiers accords , continues make progress claims since last report , tribunal rendered 12 awards , total 545 awards total , 367 awards favor american claimants 222 awards agreed terms , authorizing approving payment settlements negotiated parties , 145 decisions merits tribunal issued 36 decisions dismissing claims merits 83 decisions dismissing claims reasons 59 remaining awards , 3 approved withdrawal cases , 56 favor iranian claimants march 31 , 1993 , awards successful american claimants security account held nv settlement bank stood 2 , 340 , , 357 77 march 31 , 1993 , security account fallen required balance 500 million 36 times iran periodically account , required algiers accords , transferring funds separate account held nv settlement bank interest security account deposited iran also account proceeds sale iranian origin oil imported united states , pursuant transactions licensed case case basis fac iran , however , account since last oil sale deposit october 8 , 1992 aggregate amount transferred interest account security account 874 , 472 , 986 47 march 31 , 1993 , total amount security account 216 , 244 , 986 03 , total amount interest account 8 , 638 , 133 15 4 tribunal continues make progress arbitration claims u nationals 250 , 000 00 since last report , nine large claims decided 85 percent claims disposed , settlement , voluntary withdrawal , leaving 76 claims larger claims , resolution slowed complexity , finally resolved , sometimes sizable awards u claimants example , two claimants awarded 130 million tribunal october 1992 5 anticipated may 13 , 1990 , agreement settling claims u nationals less 250 , 000 00 , foreign claims settlement commission \( \) continued review 3 , 112 claims issued decisions 1 , 201 claims , total awards 22 million expects complete remaining claims early 1994 6 coordination concerned government agencies , department state continues present united states government claims iran , well responses united states government claims brought iran november 1992 , united states filed 25 volumes supporting information case b 1 \( claims 2 3 \) , iran 's claim united states damages relating foreign military sales program february year , united states participated conference several cases involving military equipment iran also filed new dispute failure u courts enforce award u corporation violated algiers accords 7 reported november , jose maria , president tribunal , resignation october 2 , 1992 successor yet named judge 's resignation take effect soon successor becomes available take duties 8 situation reviewed continues involve important diplomatic , financial , legal interests united states nationals iran 's policy behavior presents challenges national security foreign policy united states issued pursuant executive order continue play important role structuring relationship iran enabling united states implement properly algiers accords similarly , itrs issued pursuant executive order continue advance important objectives inter national terrorism shall exercise powers disposal deal problems report periodically congress significant developments william j clinton white house , may 14 , 1993 30 nigel allen , toronto , ontario , canada freenet carleton ca
kaleb expo lcs mit edu \( kaleb keithley \) subject seeking simple wm organization x consortium , mit laboratory computer science lines 17 pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) writes article cea fr \( \) writes i'm seeking simple window manager \( icccm compliant \) minimal doc n't want ol wm twm gwm twm whatever happened uwm \? still available form \? 's years since used heard anyone talk i'm 99 44 100 positive uwm n't icccm compliant want , r4 sources still available export lcs mit edu \( 18 24 0 12 \) pub r4 kaleb
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 19 article geraldo cc utexas edu mikey ccwf cc utexas edu \( strider \) writes irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes ever hear electric ovens microwaves \? popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially hey , einstein , ever tried use electric stove microwave without electricity \? 's shut weeks , courtesy local fbi assault squad calm flame wars anything \( guns , anything \) personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
msu oscs montana edu subject newbie reply msu oscs montana edu organization montana state university lines 6 first time network , concerned incident waco refrain stating opinions read faq could someone tell get \? must say believe govt wrong actions took situation oscs montana edu
wiegand rtsg mot com \( robert wiegand \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? nntp posting host reply wiegand rtsg mot com organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 31 camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes wondering one thing , actually two \( hope proper place post subject \) lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell n't see way concrete floor could anything battery however , would better leaving outside keeping cold would better bringing inside warm battery self discharge faster cold one storing battery 's good idea charge month letting battery go completely dead bad \( suspect caused problems \) robert wiegand motorola inc wiegand rtsg mot com disclamer n't somewhere else time
gjp sei cmu edu \( george pandelios \) subject cpu fans organization software engineering institute lines 54 article 1993apr20 mfltd co uk , nmp mfltd co uk \( nic percival \( \) \) writes got 66mhz 486dx2 system , considering getting fan cpu processor running hot touch think fairly good idea \( long ago electronics training read somewhere regions within chip define junctions gates etc slowly diffuse time increases temperature , hence hot chip goes spec sooner \) anyone got cpu fan \? \? 1 type \? remove cpu install fan \? cpu fans derive power spare drive power lines \? anyone trouble cpu fans \? anyone evidence cpu fans complete waste money \? fans attached \? \( glue \? clips \? melted cheese \? \) roughly much cooler cpu fan opposed without \? \( advert 've read claims vs \) info appreciated , nic percival well piece cake , eh k 9 \? micro focus , newbury piece cake master \? radial slice baked \( \) ext coefficient relevance nmp mfltd co uk key time zero dr pc ii , slightly different beast 's long card plugs 8 16 bit slot contains two fans requires extra cabling 286 experiencing problems due heat made system run cool enough problem longer appears 's supposed keep internal temperature range 75 95 degrees fahrenheit according maker 's \( tech \) advertisements , us army used bunch keep pcs running \( w c \) desert storm ca n't vouch however , satisfied customer connection maker mail order house \( \( 313 \) 268 8100 \) hope helps , george george j pandelios internet gjp sei cmu edu software engineering institute usenet sei ! gjp 4500 fifth avenue voice \( 412 \) 268 7186 pittsburgh , pa 15213 fax \( 412 \) 268 5758 disclaimer opinions reflect software engineering institute , sponsors , customers , clients , affiliates , carnegie mellon university fact , resemblence opinions individual , living dead , fictional real , purely coincidental
subject nhl team captains caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 10 , subject , captain ever traded , resigned , striped title season \? team captain trivia would appreciated brad captain flames traded detroit following 1989 90 season season though 's countless examples captains traded , i'm sure alan
nynexst com \( \) subject looking tips driving cross country organization nynex science technology , inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 33 r goldstein \( world std com \) sez subject says , moving mass calif driving mostly interstate 80 advice folks done \? plan gas stops major city areas avoid 25 cent per gallon gas station 50 miles 're prepare car n't forget things like fuel air filters 're loading car , consider putting spare top stuff case flat x country trip , tire california desert took 20 minutes unload stuff get tire hatchback , cover stuff white help keep stuff car cool , well possibly avoiding theft mcdonalds good , clean bathrooms invest 30 cb magnetic roof antenna may help 're stranded , always ask people places stop food , etc many times police like hang 1st 10 miles enter new state , catch escaped previous state enter 55mph city zone hours hours rural interstate dave nynexst com 914 644 fax 914 644 juggle ! nynex science technology , 500 ave , white plains , ny
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject ancient canon roman rite organization none lines 132 following part ancient text known de sacramentis , usually attributed st ambrose milan , canon traditional catholic mass roman rite conclusion comparison central part traditional roman canon already fairly well place sometime late 4th century taken mass western rites , right reverend dom , abbot , 1934 , without permission excerpted chapter vi mass rome , fifth seventh centuries paragraph end book , sorry long lines joe buehler text de sacramentis roman canon roman canon \( 400 ad \) \( 1962 ad \) \( english translation \) te \( omitted \) fac \( \) , quam tu deus , thou , god , deign , , , bless offer , , , , , make approved , , , , effective , right , est et wholly pleasing every christi ut corpus et way , may become fiat good , body tui blood thy dearly christi beloved son , jesus christ lord qui quam , qui quam , , day suis ac suffered , took bread , et holy venerable ad te , , hands , raised , deus , ad te eyes heaven , unto , , , tibi thee , god , almighty , , , , father , giving thanks suis et suis thee , blessed , broke suis et , gave et ex hoc ex hoc hoc disciples , saying take ye hoc est corpus est corpus eat , pro body modo like manner , est , est , et supper done , taking quam , also , ac holy ad te , item tibi venerable hands , , deus , , giving thanks thee , , , suis , blessed , gave suis et et ex eo disciples , saying suis , hic est take ye , drink et ex hoc mei , et hic est blood qui pro new eternal covenant et pro mystery faith , shall shed many unto forgiveness sins often shall mei memoriam things , memory shall ergo et , , nos , therefore , et ab tui , sed et lord , , , christi blessed passion , tibi tui , tam christ , thy son , hostiam , et lord , also sanctum et ab , resurrection sed et dead , finally glorious ascension de heaven , , thy ministers , ac , hostiam also thy holy people , , hostiam , offer unto thy supreme hostiam , majesty , gifts sanctum , et bestowed upon us , pure victim , holy victim , perfect victim holy bread life eternal salvation et et , ut supra ac thou deign regard gracious per et , kindly attention hold , acceptable , thou es es tui deign accept tui abel et abel , et offerings abel , thy , servant , et tibi et tibi sacrifice abraham tuus patriarch , sanctum , thy chief priest hostiam offered unto thee , holy sacrifice victim te , humbly deus thee , almighty god , bid per offerings tui sublime brought hands thy holy angel unto thy etc altar face thy divine majesty etc doubt two editions text de sacramentis upper italy dated year 400 , ancient witness possess principal parts roman canon , appear time seventh century question whether roman canon older even de sacramentis discussed mgr opinion , , contrary , think former bears traces closer composition , carefully guarded orthodoxy , consequently text corrected de sacramentis shall see , studying list names living dead , mgr argues good reason date fragments \( 498 514 \) thus state roman mass , least chief parts canon , beginning fourth century
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject near miss asteroids \( q \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 4 distribution sci nntp posting host access digex net project arizona pat
twain carson u washington edu \( barbara \) subject help kidney stones organization university washington , seattle lines 13 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move little , pain excrutiating told doctor time pain comparable childbirth \( yes , male doctor , i'm sure women disagree \) 'd really like know truth , maybe women baby kidney stone could fill 've neither baby kidney stone , according aunt , plenty , kidney stone worse barbara
cs hut fi \( jyrki \) subject batf usa reply cs hut fi \( jyrki \) organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 130 nntp posting host cardhu cs hut fi repost talk religion misc , talk politics guns , soc culture jewish cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? date 20 apr 1993 19 15 13 gmt organization stratus computer , inc article murdoch acc virginia edu , pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu \( pete yadlowsky \) writes used live country everyone enjoyed free exercise rights worship bear arms arms \? automatic weapons , grenades , rocket launchers \? sorts things family without , guess government claims really stocking weapons armageddon , come never used \? anyway , 've often wondered business followers christ would weapons 's hard imagine pistol jesus , though suppose pump action shotgun would made clearing temple hell lot easier time coming sword , sell shirt buy one told , master , two swords said , enough \( luke \) think come send peace earth came send peace , sword come set man variance father , mother \( matt 10 34 35 \) well , nice federal officers come house check extensive weapons cache , 'll sure shoot tea , ladies gentlemen \? maybe wo n't home come home something like well , 's rough month , begins lawmaster get laid , divorce became final n't ready happened particular monday particular monday december 16 , first day bill third century , day federal agents local law enforcement officer broke house tulsa always flew u flag lawmaster drove driveway bleak afternoon , one neighbors news , john , big trouble ! ' neighbor tells police , federal agents bomb squad busted house , kicked door , cut locks gun safe ' could n't believe walked inside nightmare nightmare horribly real life apparently acting information lawmaster possessed illegal firearm , thirty agents bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms \( batf \) state tulsa police authorities , search warrant hand , search colt , ar 15 , 223 caliber machine gun , unknown serial number warrant , issued u john leo wagner , also authorized agents seize tools used alteration modification firearms , files drills documents , papers , books , records , tangible properties identify occupants owners property searched reports vary , according neighbors , joint task force operation aimed unemployed nearby hospital involved 60 agents local law enforcement personnel lawmaster street took station weapons drawn back yard used ram break front door kicked back door broke gun safe threw personal papers around house spilled boxes ammunition floor broke small , locked box contained precious coins stood table peer ceiling tiles , breaking table process , left doors closed , much less locked ammo guns left front back doors pulled shut , busted could n't latch anybody could stolen everything child could taken gun guns , safe everything open laying around keep magazines empty , someone loaded looking around amazement , gas , electric water companies show turn power said told shut things found note nothing found atf n't make attempt notify 've lived tulsa life never got traffic ticket come ca n't look , realize 've law abiding whole life , come door i'm home \? n't leave someone watch private property n't even come explain happened raided home , , left wide open left lawmaster placed phone call local batf agent asked , arrest \? ' said , 'no ' , going repair clean house \? ' said , 're going talk , come office ' 'i ca n't come ! ' said 'my doors broken ! ' vacation n't friendly neighbors , would lost everything competent , responsible firearms owner , government leaves open , , ammo around lawmaster said agent advised , want door lock gun safe lock , 're pay 'oh , 'll come right , alright , ' told 'i 'll come , 'll bring attorney ' said , 'well , bring attorney , wo n't talk ' n't want tea party held awkward silence , make sure lawyer n't , 's good chap 's sad people died , especially kids , 's going happen free society whenever psychologically needy people hook charismatic nutcase repulsive outlook society followers unusual religions may killed government simply ca n't helped free society two different concepts free cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject armenian grandparents admitted unspeakable crimes reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 283 article 1993apr27 leland stanford edu arto leland stanford edu \( \) writes machine continues swing mr argic mutlu co still functioning surprised find finally looked newsgroup beginning fascist x soviet armenian government get away genocide 2 5 million turks kurds , 204 , 000 azeri people criminal grandparents committed unheard crimes , resorted conceivable methods despotism , organized massacres , poured petrol babies burned , raped women girls front parents bound hand foot , took girls mothers fathers appropriated personal property real estate today , put azeris unbearable conditions nation ever known history fascist grandparents admitted unspeakable crimes deny \? genocide truth criminal nazi armenians \? chance source men like leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company , indianapolis \( 1926 \) \( 305 pages \) \( memoirs armenian officer participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) example , camped one night half ruined tartar mosque , habitable building destroyed village , near border persia russian armenia course evening asked ohanus could tell anything history village cause destruction matter fact way replied , yes , assisted sack destruction , witnessed slaying whose bones saw day scattered among ruins p 202 \( first second paragraphs \) closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead p 15 \( second paragraph \) tartars , part , poor lived villages cultivated small farms many continued way life nomadic forefathers drove flocks herds valley valley , plain mountain , mountain plain , following changed seasons ranged salt desert shores caspian sea far mighty caucasus mountains even village tartars primitive people , see armenians frankly despised tartars , , holding disproportionate share wealth country , regarded treated fact russians looked upon armenians much way armenians regarded tartars , far proving bond racially different neighbors , intensified attitude conduct part served exacerbate hostility p 20 \( second paragraph \) men armed , gathered together advanced tartar section village lights houses doors barred , tartars suspected happen great fear men hammered doors , got response whereupon smashed doors began carnage continued last tartar slain throughout hideous night , home terror , unable shut ears piercing screams helpless victims loud shouts men morning work finished p 109 \( second paragraph \) things , members party without administrative experience consequently government instituted quickly proved incompetent rule legitimate means members government working secret outside law became legally instituted , recognized governing body destiny armenia hands , proved incompetent better resume terrorist tactics characterized fight russian turkish governments outlaw days outstanding feature rule , power , , old days , trial execution without hearing man displeasure government official would tried condemned without arrest preference charges method execution government walk behind condemned man home street , place pistol back head blow brains simple way getting rid undesirable view government soon became common way paying debts p 203 \( first paragraph \) soldier succeeded driving bayonet tartar saw point weapon emerge back another soldier seized rock pounded tartar 's head armenian bayoneted sprang feet , weapon tartar 's body , , raising lips , clean blood , russian , ! ! ' \( sweet \) p 203 \( second paragraph \) one evening passed tartar village among ruins fire burning went fire saw seated group soldiers among two tartar girls , mere children girls ground , crying softly suppressed lying scattered ground broken household furnishings tartar peasant homes also bodies dead p 204 \( first paragraph \) soon asleep night awakened persistent crying child arose went investigate full moon enabled make way revealed wreck litter tragedy enacted guided child 's crying , entered yard house , judged appearance must home turkish family corner yard found women dead throat cut lying breast small child , girl year old p 118 slowly train along snow , cart loads boys ran along line , encouraging shrill tartar cries , beasts sticks carts , women , veiled tartar way , held children arms wrapped huddled among goods burdened carts sought protection wind cold old men plodded along foot across road barrier thrown leading reached barrier halted gunmen concealed among rocks opened fire women children scrambled carts , screamed , ran sought vainly safety massacre complete armenian soldiers near barracks , hearing firing turmoil , scene day abandoned tartar quarter completely destroyed p 192 great swarms peasants come hiding places retreat turks followed army advanced entered city army immediately began plundering stores left turks p 193 terrible vengeance taken upon tartars , kurds turks villages destroyed slain driven country p 195 fanatical dashnacks hated turks others order diminishing intensity tartars , kurds russians p 218 \( first second paragraphs \) russian troops terrible things turkish villages armenians spare tartars persisted , slaughtering prisoners , looting , rape massacre helpless become commonplace actions expected accepted matter course scenes massacres dead lay ground , numbers , like fallen leaves forest helpless defenseless sheep died soldiers die heat battle , fired courage , weapons hands , exchanging blow blow died helpless must , hearts brains bursting horror worse death p 133 \( first paragraph \) movement took us three thousand turkish soldiers captured russians left hands russians abandoned struggle retreat two thousand poor devils cruelly put death sickened brutality displayed , could make effective protest , mercifully , shot many burned death method employed put quantity straw hut , hut turks , set fire straw p 19 \( first paragraph \) tartar section town longer existed , except pile ruins destroyed inhabitants slaughtered fate befell tartar section p 22 \( second paragraph \) many men served russian army , trained soldiers armenians rich possessed arms tartars never received military training poor , possessed arms beyond knives shortly killing tartars village , revolution russia suppressed p 97 \( third paragraph \) within years , following beginning movement , invisible government armenians armenians established turkish armenia armed opposition turkish government secret government courts laws army called \( professional killers \) enforce decrees p 98 \( first paragraph \) dashnacks continual open rebellion turkish government p 98 \( third paragraph \) dashnacks engineered general revolt armenians turkish armenia mistaken belief european nations would intervene secure independence turkish armenia p 99 \( second paragraph \) dashnacks fanatics p 99 \( third paragraph \) dashnacks took advantage situation extended revolutionary activities russian province instituted campaign terrorism employed threats force securing contributions party funds rich armenians wealthy man would assessed stipulated sum refusal pay brought upon sentence death every member party pledged carry orders without question man assassinated , lots might drawn select executioner job might assigned one party p 130 \( first paragraph \) moments victory turks kurds tartars , armenians seeking vengeance p 130 \( third paragraph \) city scene confusion terror early days war , russian troops invaded turkey , large numbers turkish population abandoned homes fled russian advance p 159 \( second paragraph \) made cannon , huge gun lift required four men made balls cannon armenians could knock tartar houses able drive tartars p 181 \( first paragraph \) tartar villages ruins p 189 \( third paragraph \) dead tartar lay head pool mud blood , beard still serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 55 dplatt ntg com \( dave platt \) writes kind power must putting cause effects \? affected equipment 100 feet road might couple hundred watts , sound kicking sound tv stereo speakers direct rf rectification requires mighty strong carrier ! 've heard powerful triggering car idling , would stall engine pulling battery voltage would take lot sounds like radio equipment actually shut completely goes standby situation suspect stories , stories voltage sucked far try someones car , vehicle idle , car stall \? , car crank well , engine might stall idle low start extra current drawn , idle speed drop alternator loads engine compensate increased requirement resolution problem matter power company , fcc , \? ultimately 's likely problem resolve , i'm afraid fcc n't pay much attention citizen complains rfi \( 've heard \) 'll send pamphlet describing apply corrective measures talking power company might help might able install filtering devices service panel \( recommend type could installed licensed electrician \) transmitter going affecting house power surges occurring , due another cause transmitter unfortunately , 's fair chance enough signal picked house wiring simple service panel filter wo n't suffice may need install heavy duty rfi filters power connections affected equipment probably much problem often toroid coils power leads solve part interference problem solve internal equipment deficiencies problem occurs regularly , may need stake street question , watch trucks cars big antennae driving time interference occurs identify vehicle transmitting , may able contact owner complain probably transmitter fault person amateur , probably willing help explain person causing interference bill
x mek hydrox enet dec com comp graphics subject tiff complexity organization e c c x cc johnl iecc cambridge us \( john r levine \) lines 34 article enet gw pa dec com write anyone thinks tiff complex n't dealt cgm , asn 1 , cda , dca , sgml , one number successful file format people seem perfectly capable dealing others well , yeah , unlike tiff substantially encode rectangular bitmaps others hardly trouble free hear quite common cgm implementations interoperate annoying thing tiff along 50 useful options , 100 stupid options egregious example rather picking byte order bit order using consistently tiff files , byte bit order options tiff readers machines , matter natural byte order , prepared byte swapping four slightly different fax formats , one would adequate rgb images stored pixel component , complexity without function , etc , etc also note tiff doc says experiments show lzw reliably compresses well better fax formats , suggesting none fax formats really useful 's worse , lot formats n't even implemented well , e g , lzw limits code words 12 bits , 14 16 bits would provided substantially better compression lzw method compresses bytes rather pixels absolute worst thing tiff vendor register proprietary tiff codes formats without even publicly documenting means way write tiff reader reliably read incoming tiff files standard regards , john levine , johnl iecc cambridge us , spdcc ima world ! iecc ! johnl
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject burden proof organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 20 watson sce carleton ca \( stephen watson \) writes kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes article healta 171 saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes fbi officials said cult leader david koresh may forced followers remain flames closed koresh 's armed guard may injected many 24 children poison quiet fbi proof yet \? ! ask \? quoting fbi official ask fbi \? 're lying cover , maybe 're telling truth 24 children , course , killed lone second story window , fired eight bullets space two seconds mathew
dino inqmind bison mb ca \( tony stewart \) subject need help video detection circuit organization inquiring mind bbs 1 204 488 1607 lines 64 verity jack sns com \( steve verity \) writes trying build circuit detects presence video \( vs blank screen \) monitoring r , g , b outputs graphics card able detect presence single pixel 65 mhz , would mean detecting 15 ns pulse also able tell difference blank screen \( 300 mv \) dim screen \( say , around 310 mv \) oh yes , also needs cheap first circuit failure used 3 compariators compariator input going one guns , input went reference created voltage divider \( \) first problem compariator way slow needed get several pixels row would fire compariators , could whole screen full text , second problem noise reference smallest difference blank screen dim screen fact difference completely black completely white 650 mv wondering going amplify video signals make work faster compariators , expensive , require split supplies would need replace 49 quad compariator three 1 89 compariators , create whole new power supply circuit point , think need sort transistor circuit transistors fast cheap trick unfortunately , way league comes designing transistor circuits , appealing net help ideas , tips , circuits , pointers , references , etc would greatly appreciated oh yes , sample output thing every second , n't need fast response time , however , n't found way take advantage fact thanks lot help anybody might able give course , undying gratitude steve verity steve verity maxed midi verity jack sns com order get 15 ns response time need , better going ecl run single 5 5 2 v supply , need bias level shifting perhaps get range check ecl 10k books simple cheap solution dino inqmind bison mb ca inquiring mind bbs , winnipeg , manitoba 204 488 1607
viktor olesov aiva lt \( viktor olesov \) subject human alpha sale distribution world organization olesov reply viktor olesov aiva lt lines 21 dear ! commercial firm interested new partners establishing business contacts present may offer following human alpha dried state purity less 96 , 6 price 980 per 1 mg every month deliveries quantity 50 100 mg information please contact e mail internet viktor olesov aiva lt fax \( 3702 \) 223 537 phone \( 3702 \) 757 533 viktor olesov , e mail internet viktor olesov aiva lt , tel \( \) 355 441
dan vicorp com \( dan \) subject bruins fans \? \? \? organization v corporation , northampton , massachusetts lines 33 article 93113 psuvm psu edu rap115 psuvm psu edu \( robbie po \) writes i'm wondering bruins fans \? \? \? mean woofed 1 , 000 , 000 posts regular season saying team going kick everyone 's playoffs win stanley oh really \? seem remember year 's woofers consisting mainly roger boston fans relatively quiet cup see nothing wrong little ranting raving , i'm curious boston faithful stopped posting mean n't even see one little boston fan post , 'cept bruins fans n't cocky guess concept fan cocky something could n't possible understand , eh \? n't know , 'd sure like see bruins fans \) robbie po 1993 's streakers comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's pgh penguins see , wait penguins 4 , devils 3 1991 , 1992 stanley possibility , n't see penguins lead , 3 0 cup champions \) strong resemblance dg '89 nah doubt really would 're provocative sob usual large stick course , mean nicest way \) much bragging , , r b c umass ! ! ! beat quakers \? btw congratulations go sabres playing , win deserve dan , dan vicorp com
poe acc virginia edu \( randolph stuart \) subject greek myth bible organization university virginia lines 21 article infoserv com infoserv com \( ed , jr \) writes pegasus fp1 dialin 7 uoregon edu , pegasus aaa uoregon edu \( laurie \) wrote text book used part introductory course social term myth designates traditionally based , dramatic narratives themes emphasize nature humankind 's relationship nature supernatural peter b 's introduction social anthropology second ed page 387 i'm sure distinguish myth legend neatly , myth single story thought structure world paradigm story interpreted important part myth story thus , think story meant conveyed understandably one person another within single culture wo n't rest upon underlying thought structure , thus transmit culture 's mythical truths along randy
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( pat \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization university waterloo lines 26 cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest oh , please , enlighten us articles particular quoting \? i'm masters would interest greatly seeing articles know exist \( yet know nothing \) i'm sure could give people phd 's information like , 'll degree time \( sarcasm applicable \) n't bother little girl raped daddy lesbian studies always critical scrutiny validity \( correlation ! causation \) fluffy wonder bunny sex answer , sex question yes answer behind nice day go fuck ralph night lying bed , looking stars , wondered , fuck roof \? ! \? descartes waterloo edu hi ! signature virus copy signature join fun !
uxa ecn bgu edu \( frank doss \) subject science theories organization educational computing network lines 27 nntp posting host uxa ecn bgu edu article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes examples gave quarks continental plates sounds like gods used describe almost everything past come understand , less credit god , well understood elements \( least author \) includes quarks drift guess 's better describing perceived patterns stars sky heroes gods kinda sounds like old earth creation seems life , indeed , evolve common ancestor caused initial common ancestor \? going hear another debate causeless events \? \) explanations science parts theories measurable , everything quantified , measured , tested , etc \? mac michael cobb frank doss stated words opinions reflect opinions , attitudes , policies employer organizations
organization washington university , st louis brad thone c09615bt wuvmd netnews wuvmd subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk lines 14 long time back \( months \) , think similar question asked suggestion , addition ed 's list , put knee away bike tried , seems help , actually brad thone systems consultant systems service enterprises st louis , mo c09615bt wuvmd wustl edu c09615bt wuvmd bitnet
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject islamic authority women organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 51 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes ca n't recall anyone claiming god makes anyone act way , think 're attempting manufacture contradiction world creator god , moment creates world ca n't recall anyone even usual standard arguing argument based quite usual theistic assumptions , namely god perfect , god knowing god sets rules rules n't work whatever reason omniscience , god known advance \( deletion \) say something defined cannot exist , really asking much would existence depend grammar really say something poorly defined , insufficient decide anything \( confusion course \) question grammar , question modelling discussed wonderful time posting group defined point instance reality unless information definition allows find somehow however , contradictory attribute said essential , ie got attribute looking , conclude exist point better reasons phenomenon belief object belief may lead rat 's nest unnecessary complexity think know 're implying , 'd like see version better alternative 's quite like predict coins falling predicted happened 1 heads tails 2 tails tails 3 heads tails 4 heads tails take 2 dismiss rest unnecessary complexity evidence causes easy understand explanation humans believe gods read desmond morris benedikt
jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) subject trademark violation claimed keywords clipper , wiretap organization open communications forum lines 25 forwarded libernet dartmouth edu date tue , 20 apr 93 10 30 47 pdt clipper clipper ingr com \( al date \) subject clipper chip ! libernet dartmouth edu clipper tm chip registered trademark intergraph corp called clipper chip recently mentioned media respect encryption used violation trademark intergraph clipper chip unix microprocessor , originally developed fairchild semiconductors , relationship encryption chip whatsoever mention hope someone reading group alt privacy clipper established al date
cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter b \) subject w4w tables ii printer nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu organization columbia university lines 20 setting large \( 4 pages \) table word windows asked word print hp laserjet ii worked fine first much editing table contents \( structure \) output requests kick lj manual feed mode document containing table documents without tables print correctly look change get document long table use paper drawer rather kick manual feed mode \? believe 've tried obvious printer manager changes well replacing lp 00 files archived versions thanks help peter peter internet columbia edu columbia university , graduate school business 804 hall new york ny
etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) subject license plates nntp posting host st83 ericsson se reply etxmst sta ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 14 article anl ollie solbourne com , guerra solbourne com \( guerra \) writes would like know anyone still copy list license plates posted time ago regarding special names sayings , ! markus
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject combo propulsion system ! \? lines 9 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks hard easy would combo mission solar sail way outer planets , near orbit use normal means seems everyone talks using one system one system per mission , one propulsion system \? miss something \? \? die committee \? michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject hits stolen 1992 summary dcon dops keywords defense center organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 118 disclaimer fun computerized baseball game , keep track category called stolen hits , defined play made average fielder would make average effort using 1992 defensive averages posted sherri nichols \( thanks sherri ! \) , 've figured defensive stats hits stolen redefined plays juan gonzalez would made ok , realize 's unfair juan 's probably victim pitching staff , fluke shots , monster park factor let 's put way replaced every centerfielder league someone kevin 's 55 4 making ability , many extra hits would go \? try correlate reality little , 've calculated net hits stolen , based number outs made compared league average fielder would make method 've calculated net extra bases \( doubles triples let \) finally , throw formula call defensive contribution , dcon basically , represents defensive contribution player add number ops get dops \( defense plus slug \) , represent player 's total contribution team n't take seriously formula dcon appears end article short version definition terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases hits prevented , rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure player 's total contribution national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops nixon , 34 12 15 083 777 grissom , 48 18 12 812 jackson , 46 13 20 060 735 lewis , 25 8 6 596 dykstra , l 25 5 5 013 794 , 10 5 10 001 616 finley , 32 2 2 003 759 lankford , r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez , 21 5 16 660 , 30 4 17 040 846 sanders , r 7 10 4 059 759 butler , b 1 29 5 088 716 johnson , h 3 12 19 118 548 ordered dops 846 844 lankford 812 grissom 794 dykstra 777 nixon 759 finley 759 sanders 735 jackson 730 nl average 716 butler 660 martinez 616 596 lewis 548 johnson american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops lofton , k 57 32 17 220 947 wilson , w 47 26 0 125 787 white , 52 25 28 119 812 felix , j 22 0 32 713 , 43 16 0 047 832 mcrae , h 38 11 1 038 631 yount , r 31 8 3 022 737 kelly , r 13 6 3 025 681 johnson , l 23 5 13 040 641 griffey , k 15 9 12 052 844 puckett , k 13 13 15 801 cuyler , 6 10 6 088 503 gonzalez , j 0 21 15 095 738 order dops 947 lofton 844 griffey 832 812 white 801 puckett 787 wilson 738 gonzalez 737 yount 713 felix 709 al average 681 kelly 641 johnson 631 mcrae 503 cuyler discussion dcon formula \( \( nhs ndp \) pa \) \( \( nhs ndp neb \) ab \) bizzare formula \? basically , 's designed added ops , idea run prevented important run scored extra outs factored obp , extra bases removed factored slg 's used pa ab discussion see post hits stolen first base 1992 dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
daveb pogo wv tek com \( dave butler \) subject good jesus died \? organization tektronix , inc , wilsonville , lines 169 brian ceccarelli presents us fallacy false dichotomy stating must accept every thing books attributed peter , must discount every book antiquity \( 1 \) peter died two millenia ago original letters wrote long since decayed dust alive today could question existence alexander great , iii , nero , caligula , josephus , cyrus great , \? documents decayed dust brian , another excuse \? mr ceccarelli , seem stating must accept accept everything written every historical document somehow doubt thus since doubt accept everything written every historical document , would ask thereby objectively justify complete faith words books attributed peter shall give example document antiquity , sure reject dates time ii \( first presented matthew wiener \) inscriptions carved soon battle , carved 's specific approval true originals , rather mere copies account records battle kadesh \( circa 1285 bc \) , occurred river , \( 100 miles south aleppo \) egyptians battle hittites , victory place inscriptions survived near perfect form record pretty much single defeated hittites , separated troops note egyptian back forth first third person following miriam ancient egyptian literature volume ii majesty caused forces foes fall faces , one upon , fall , water like griffin attacked countries , alone infantry one stood looking back live , ra loves , father favors , everything majesty told truth , presence infantry \( note paragraph records divine word , also thousands witnesses event heart battle \) majesty drove charged forces foe , alone , none majesty proceeded look found 2500 ringing way officer , , soldier army , shield bearer infantry , yielded , one stood firm fight majesty spoke , father amun \? right father ignore son \? deeds matter ignore \? walk stand word \? neglected order gave great , great lord egypt , allow aliens step path ! , amun , ignorant god \? made many great monuments , call , father amun , among host strangers countries , alone , 's none ! many people nothing , amun helpful came command mouth , amun , command ! though prayed distant land , voice southern found amun came called , gave hand called behind near forward , , father , hand , prevail hundred thousand men , lord victory , lover ! found heart stout , breast joy , succeeded , like mont slaughtered among , one looked behind , one turned around , whoever fell rise one called saying man among us , seth great strength , person deeds man doings , one unique , fights hundred thousand without soldiers , come quick , flee , seek life breathe air attempts get close , hands , limbs grow limp one cannot hold either bow , one sees come racing along ! majesty hunted like griffin , slaughtered among see brian , original manuscripts recording miraculous battle hittites reject completely true \? suspect , , also , words question existence alexander great , iii , nero , caligula , josephus , cyrus great , \? also thereby question documents \? problem nothing approach many ancient people used mix bit fancy facts say must either accept peter \( rest new testament \) accept records antiquity , forces thereby , accept verity documents probably find completely credible argument many people testified jesus , must true going pass testimony \? going call three thousand years worth testimony shepherds irs agents royal officials kings computer programmers , fiction \? scoff keyboard , near complete ignorance testimonies , going say complete hooey \? would audacious display arrogance \? actually think know better king solomon , king david , even abraham lincoln \? three points first , argumentum ad \( ie appeal popular opinion \) cannot vote truth instance , millions hindu 's past present testify reality , constitute actual evidence existence \? would answer question regards testimony hindus scoff keyboard , near complete ignorance testimonies , going say complete hooey \? scoff , objectively justify special pleading \? second , clear king solomon king david testified jesus claim clear , make true third , quite arguable abraham lincoln christian , public private view christianity fact much discussion day \( yes , publically accused oh \) presently collecting faq lincoln 've previously done tyre , jefferson etc later , dave butler earlier views christian scheme salvation human origin scriptures , become clearer stronger advancing years see reason thinking shall ever change abraham lincoln judge j wakefield death willie lincoln
atlas cs upei ca \( michael \) subject historic shuttle flights organization university prince edward island lines 7 would someone please send list historic space flights \? looking list flights , ones something happened better yet , ftp site list shuttle flights \? thanks \( helped \) , upei ca
twg com \( roger walls \) subject point helmet law point mc b organization wollongong group , palo alto , ca lines 18 article 5967 prcrs prc com terry prcrs prc com \( terry cunningham \) writes article 1993apr12 rtsg mot com , svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) writes oh , banning motorcycles actually reasonable reasonable eyes misinformed misunderstanding public , conversely , attitude could seem blind know law , either books proposed , bans motorcycles place want go motorcycles allowed th 17 mile drive beach roger
djh4484 rigel tamu edu \( , daniel joseph \) subject shoot somebody organization texas university , academic computing services lines 75 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu , jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes heard many opinions subject would like hear people net say 're situation pull gun somebody give chance get away decided continue action anyway end shooting killing question \? stay wait cops collect brass \( 're using semi auto \) get \( provided course n't think seen \) \? kind laws books regarding type situation \? would likely thing happen stayed waited first offense \? would happen took someone saw caught \? anyone \? jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu said situation would , reviewing cases 've seen reported articles 've read etc , suggest safest legal course action follows warn assailant loudly clear tones weapon \( yes ! even though 's blatantly obvious ! \) shoot advances cease whatever hostile action currently involved \( ie drop knife 'll shoot ! \) repeat process three times , ! \( 's pointing freaking gun ! 's kinda impractical \) \( variables try address turn \) said warning \( considering 's ignored \) aim center mass fire drops ! , 's practicality n't gone 's still threat ! \( support 45 \) turns runs pursue fire back ! fired anger burn later ! \( though cases see might bother much ! \) drop ! remain ! witness \( create one yelling top lungs ! \) call police , wait ! weapon visibly ! place ground nearby attempt brass police use 's location piece together scene along testimony witnesses mentally mark witnesses ! police say none came forward let know saw ! attempt keep weapon loaded minimum required \( hell phrase \? \) try avoid special purpose ammunition hollow points rounds give opposing lawyer type loaded phrasing need jury fully intended kill someone ! special purpose rounds think would actually help case \( several \) glaser safety slug \( oh lovely name safety slug \) stated purpose stated design parameters round life court \( ie attempting create bullet , , designed stop \( kill \( gee , bad two often cross , damn i'm real sorry rapist dead ! ! \) assailant one shot , , real life saver hostile court cooperative police possible ! show repeat information often requested often ask questions verify facts , , unfortunately , see lying fill statements show required identification weapon permits \( ! registered citizens ! register politicians deadly tax weapons needing confiscated ! \) required state contact lawyer immediately decide hold questioning needed cannot afford one , contact nra legal assistance fund \( least used \) hope member ! \( business either way though \) vague anything , left questions unanswered , e mail post \( e mail n't load time review news \) kane truely representative government need never fear 's armed citizens ! batf ! bankrupt ted turner hci ! give gun pry cold , dead hand ! death tyrants ! space rent ! kane djh4484 rigel tamu edu
nstramer supergas dazixco ingr com \( naftaly stramer \) subject changes israeli society nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer dazixco ingr com organization intergraph electronics lines 25 israeline 4 27 93 rabin must concentrate qualitative changes israeli society today 's al hamishmar quotes prime minister yitzhak rabin 's independence day interview yesterday israel television rabin said enforcing jewish sovereignty entire land israel would lead establishment bi national state would view historical destiny generation , , generation great privilege determining fate people founding jewish state , lost rabin added , must stop dreaming settlements e territories focus qualitative substantive changes israeli society make productive society dependent labor prime minister concluded saying would like achieve significant breakthrough peace process government 's term naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer dazixco ingr com 6101 lookout road , suite voice \( 303 \) 581 2370 fax \( 303 \) 581 9972 boulder , co 80301 quality everybody 's job , 's everybody 's job watch
gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( phil trodwell \) subject amusing atheists agnostics lines 25 organization university waterloo article timmbake mcl timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) writes timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons \) subject amusing atheists agnostics date 18 apr 93 23 17 25 gmt big deletions many atheists show poor understanding human nature , many people would otherwise sympathize cause shake heads disbelief childish ranting another string idiotic generalizations , i'm surprised got far post guess like seeing names crt like \) phil trodwell space 'd happy ram goddam 440 volt cattle rent prod tub right , \( cheap \) radio ! hunter thompson
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject countersteering , know know question \? organization university east anglia distribution net lines 11 lotto laura harvard edu \( jerry lotto \) writes yes , specifically ability understanding technique absent hurt measure ability riders swerve \?
ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 23 reply ai598 cleveland freenet edu \( mike sturdevant \) nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu previous article , xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu \( \) says possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? absolutely early 's good mike terry '82 virago n't try virago unless already good like smell exploded clutch go fast take chances mike
james f tims p00168 psilink com subject studies book mormon reply 1993apr20 leland stanford edu nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization , ltd x mailer psilink dos \( 3 4 \) lines 103 date tue , 20 apr 93 21 12 55 gmt carolyn jean leland stanford edu agrino enkidu mic cl \( andres grino brandt \) asks mormons mention events , places , historical persons later discovered archeologist \? one amusing things bom claim civilization existed north america , mystical plates found use steel metals , lots wars \( ot \) one ever found metal swords traces civilization native americans one example free inquiry , winter 83 84 , following introduction article joseph smith book mormon , george smith introduction written paul mormonism church jesus christ latter day saints claims worldwide membership 5 2 million one world 's fastest growing religions , many 200 , 000 new 1982 alone church 's aggressive missionary program , covering one hundred countries , spreading even third world countries mormonism moral outlook evangelical church run along strict authoritarian lines led president , allegedly receives revelations directly form god , group twelve apostles attempt maintain orthodoxy belief practice , church opposed abortion , pornography , sexual freedom , women 's rights , , view , immoral influences secular society , forbids use tobacco , alcohol , coffee , tea centered salt lake city , church extremely wealthy politically powerful many western states among well know present day mormons ezra benson \( former secretary agriculture \) , family , hotel empire , score high placed government officials mormon church founded western new york 1830 joseph smith claimed divine revelation found gold plates containing buried hill help visits angel able translate writing book mormon , basis mormon belief book , written commandment god , claims ancient hebrews settled america 600 b c e ancestors american indians mormons believe baptized true church reunited death deceased non mormon family members baptized proxy thus join relatives hereafter beliefs , mormons considered christian denominations heretics religious fundamentalists joseph smith controversial figure day worshiped saint denounced fraud persecution led band loyal followers , new york , ohio illinois , shot death mob brigham young , reportedly many eighty wives , took leadership church led mormons , found new zion salt lake city following teachings joseph smith practice polygamy perhaps mormons controversial practice nineteenth century america religions go back many centuries , 1200 years christianity , 2000 judaism , 3000 attempts examine beginnings difficult , extensive historical investigation mormon roots possible mormons willing examine history objectively , bu others maintain scrutiny dangerous faith following pages , free inquiry presents two articles mormon church first , george smith , lifelong member church , provides detailed critical examination joseph smith claim book mormon divinely revealed second , present portion interview philosopher sterling , also mormon since birth , questions treatment history church mormon authorities paul article super , , , , 666 ' , \( 0 0 ' `` ' , ` ' , \( \( c p00168 psilink com ` \) ,
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! reply jlevine rd hydro ca 's message fri , 23 apr 93 21 51 23 gmt lines 17 organization ibm toronto lab article 1993apr23 rd hydro ca jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu inde7wv rosie uh edu writes another list one felt helpless sitting light 1 2 car lengths behind car , wise suddenly hear screeching tires dart eyes mirrors realize 's flying right behind , panic pop clutch stall bike luckily guy stops foot behind rear wheel understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? another tip make sure keep well one side lane gives quicker escape route jeff goss
jarthur claremont edu \( ted \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 distribution usa lines 12 article 3hz netcom com timbol netcom com \( mike timbol \) writes anyway , give word , without naming sources , ibm paid companies write applications os 2 satisfied \? mike n't ms \? \( e , subsidize app development \) seem remember someone rpi received entire \( expensive , run nt \) machine develop nt free 's small fry ted
mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( daniel mccoy \) subject reply mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov organization net inc x posted krakatoa jsc nasa gov nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 15 article vtserf cc vt edu , smyrna cc vt edu \( ray stell \) writes install x11r5 backward compatibility motif , motif 1 2 clients work x11r5 servers \? works 've run motif 1 1 3 , 1 1 4 , 1 1 5 , 1 2 , 1 2 1 , 1 2 2 x11r5 server defined daniel j mccoy space net , inc nasa mail code pt4 tel 713 483 nasa johnson space center fax 713 244 houston , texas 77058 future mccoy gothamcity jsc nasa gov
ellis uchicago edu \( naomi \) subject banned game \? reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 79 article network ucsd edu weber ucsd edu \( william \) writes article 1993may1 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes , 's example things nowhere near bad characterize united states police kill many blacks israel kills palestinians , even though us black population , admittedly larger , n't engaged civil war attempt destroy government probably newgroup mr frank wrong use words like civil war destroy government discussing conflict occupied territories \( newsgroup followups set talk politics mideast belongs \) may make term war' dubious , nothing phrase government' occupying government still govern ment , palestinians made quite clear goal simply prevent occupying territories n't con fer citizenship \( determination distinction \) wipe entirely \( , incidentally , entire jewish population rules \) intent government' , matter government happens current government isreal would willing let adult individuals capable vote elections within boundaries state , requirement called democracy opinion , n't requirement democracy athens matter , n't requirement term democracy united states , n't let non citizens vote either united states israel processes whereby possible acquire citizenship , great deal effort modicum screening 's n't automatic living territories n't automatic living new york , either said , suit never considered democracy ultimate good world , could care less feel like calling israel , america , anywhere else , democracy personally , withhold term israel reason withhold britain parliamentary system serious mr frank would correct current government neither willing vast majority individuals territories allow people right self determination civil war government , rather foreign occupier , suit case israel attacking people , fighting war foreign soil , case residents entitled play rough , yes israel 's allowed get rough , within bare limits rules war includes , among things , right shoot bomb anyone national try question fighting \( permits mass frontal assault rock throwers \) , along right take installation military importance \( certain villages good handled aerial bombing , since count supply lines enemy \) , right anything whatsoever whatever constitutes government lay hands \( hamas trying set ruling party , let beware \) scenario want , recommend go back calling civil war civil wars handled nicer cannot say palestinians nation fighting resistance war foreign nation still call israel government treating people cruelly palestinians fighting war foreign country , israel , gloves come naomi yes , bread may source peace fight , fight naomi heavens bring peace roses midway uchicago edu us , israel
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject jack morris organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 31 article 1993apr19 sni ca dave sni ca \( dave till \) writes n't think obvious time viola better morris viola comparable k ip ratios 1991 viola coming injury , whereas morris healthy time n't really want sox sign either little worried viola 's elbow surely remember shout relief , week rumors morris coming red sox , ended viola instead i'm even happier viola seems nicely also , morris willing sign two years jays n't like sign pitchers long term contracts , think sensible policy long viola sign three years \? generally agree policy avoiding long term contracts pitchers think enforce rather strictly days premier pitchers sign three four year deals leaves jays morris stewart jays want compete top free agent pitchers , accept greater risks idea option year deal morris \? automatic activation clauses \? amount \? f cheers , valentine
meunier inf enst fr \( sylvain meunier \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! reply meunier inf enst fr organization telecom paris \( enst \) , france lines 16 article bglenden colobus cv nrao edu , bglenden colobus cv nrao edu \( brian glendenning \) writes alas , stop using brian following version xv surprise discover new version shareware ! ! ! \( found freeware make freeware spent long time n't plain make paid use think spent time make freeware , paid use freeware stay xv 2 drop xv 3 meunier e mail meunier inf enst fr
pchang ic sunysb edu \( pong chang \) subject sale c 128 system 95 organization state university new york stony brook lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host ic sunysb edu commodore 128 1571 disk drive 2 joysticks 1 mouse lotsa software , games apps rapid fire joystick adapter necessary cables year old 95 obo c ommon pchang ic sunysb edu ense state university new york stony brook e ngineer
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu organization ub lines 54 article 1993apr25 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes 1993apr25 sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) writes dear mr bettman \( ali 's letter deleted brevity \) \( roger 's acid laced response removed \) maybe get together establish kind mandatory maturity level keep stuff air roger , responses might exclude sharing opinions , see , rights ali mail letter nhl ones let post replies mow like wheat harvest time never said represented entire internet entire group rec sport hockey every right state opinion along fifty sixty hundred odd folk 've agreed allow list names bottom may agree fine really n't care enough name change care name n't attached , moan complain \? felt words leading , well , 're free feel way take exception , manners never hurt personally disagree feel generalizations fine \( right think say , \) ali 's change single word , 're free disagree every word wrote , tear apart character uncalled i'm posting form public tear ali 's integrity character publicly , 'll get chastised publicly return would hard say , ali , please bit specific description , way 've read indicates 're stating view also , 's simply true 'd really like see disclaimer noting n't mean entire internet entire r h group attached , despite intent list names bottom thanks cordially always , c calling moron asshole reduces weight words opinions author eyes , possibly others oh , ali , nice see someone standing something , even 's something personally advocate \) valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
curtis aries wistar upenn edu subject setting display reply curtis aries wistar upenn edu \( \) lines 14 nntp posting host aries wistar upenn edu working company one connection internet firewall gateway \( unix workstation \) would like able telnet host outside company set display pc running x terminal emulator \( exceed w \) display set gateway workstation problem set variable ip address get error ca n't open display message ca n't hard work around \? btw trouble running x clients local workstations \( company \) display pc curtis wahlgren
asper calvin uucp \( alan e asper \) subject need advice ! \( i'm new rider \) organization usr lib news organization lines 17 nntp posting host calvin sbc com article 1993apr21 bsu ucs 00cjmelching leo bsuvc bsu edu writes well , , would never going 35 mph even 6th gear ! ! ! question , hurt new cycle take 6 7000 rpm range least go speed limit \? \? \? \? inconvenience bought ex 500 could least go 50 mph initial break despite high quality motor oils motorcycle engines days , would follow instructions , keep city street riding first 500 miles heck , miles go fast , 's worth know n't possibly screwed engine time , 6 week long thread debating whole break topic alan
khan0095 nova gmi edu \( mohammad razi khan \) subject mary 's assumption organization gmi engineering management institute , flint , mi lines 26 david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) writes also n't see necessity saying holy parents sanctified beyond normal humanity sounds like inability grasp immensity god 's grace incarnated dinary human elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond whoa , dude n't see jump made blessed , 'll give much mean , placed beyond sanctification normal humanity mohammad r khan khan0095 nova gmi edu july '93 , please send mail mkhan nyx cs du edu responses letter post bounce , e mail nyx account
badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) subject proventil inhaler organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 15 article rick ysub ysu edu rick ysub ysu edu \( rick \) writes proventil inhaler asthma relief fall steroid category \? looking product literature 's clear non steroid proventil brand , regards , jay keller \( asthmatic proventil head \)
walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) subject freedom association organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 92 article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov , pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) article netcom com , phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) wrote well put together post disagree several key points , post excellent one engage discourse agree wholeheartedly paul , handled well , think could write ballot materials thank 'd hoped avoid characterized much debate issue i'm also going prolong debate wanted respond couple points make , last posting , n't stop ! right equal opportunity \( lets call reo \) involves coercion cases \( definition \) one question position reo \? lesser right foa \? good question depends 's answer \? \) seriously , believe depends wether talking governmental employer case , believe absolutely discrimination , direct indirect , period feel way would offend moral sensibilities \( course would \) , government coercive entity cannot escape mind lifetime , whites drinking parks , others , yet taxes support certainly applied whites essence , cannot escape coercive state even randy pay property tax hand , private employers monopoly , businesses run , government , unless elect turn affairs government \? says \? mom pop foa , ibm forced , force correct word , reo \? case mom pop store , foa directly affected , individuals , associate whomever hire case ibm , ask , whose foa protecting \? accept ibm , corporate entity , right foa mom pop store affected hire , n't ibm \? slippery slope santa cruz \( number anti discrimination laws exist \) , guy sued restaurant hiring every imaginable kitchen dangling earlobe , tatoos distracting suddenly , arm waving , magic , landlord foa basis foa landlord disappear \? seems vague terms like contact tenants suffice basis landlord contact tenants landlord n't associate tenants , complain foa violated \? lot interaction \( positive \) tenants , guess n't issue say buy unit another town , managed third party let 's say real aversion christians stuff buy hook line , lunatic try get elected n't want fish symbols hanging window house government intervene \? elie rental applicant tom metzger , forced rent distant unit \? companies fortune 500 , example , privately owned give list owners anonymous , unknown , owners publicly owned sense stock publicly traded shares stock owned generic , ever changing public yes , neat thing unlike mom pop store , buy shares ibm , influence decision making policies n't like anyway , paul , keep good work mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh amateur radio km6xu wx3k aol bigcookie aol com uscf l10861 , worry \? william gaines , 1922 1992 i'm gonna crush ! andre giant , 1946 1993
gornish sp1 csrd uiuc edu \( edward h gornish \) subject radar laser detectors organization center supercomputing r lines 18 people 's opinions laser detectors \? escort makes laser detector , passport 1000 , claims works fine however , 've talked people said work lucky e cop happens point laser car front , laser beam happens reflect back detector otherwise wo n't work regular radar , course , travels directions hence detectable comments \? escort deal \( till end april , think \) , buy wideband \( passport 3200 x , k , ka \) laser detectors , 'll save 60 buying separately case , addition laser detector passport 3200 40 \( e passport 1000 normally costs 100 \) eddie gornish university illinois center supercomputing research development gornish csrd uiuc edu
wlieftin cs vu nl \( liefting w \) subject pov ray related group needed organization fac wiskunde informatica , vu , amsterdam lines 20 hed cats ucsc edu \( magic fingers \) writes article 1993may13 exucom com cyberman exucom com \( stephen r phillips \) writes takes making alt group , \? 've following thread , , two months \? alt created 2 purposes 1 groups fit comp 'official' hierarchies 2 fast creation hot new newsgroups like alt gulf war voting process control facilities , sites free decide carry \( \) alt groups therefore , \( think \) desirable try create comp graphics raytrace , rendering whatever alt group wouter
nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) subject key registering bodies organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 29 since law requires wiretaps requested executive branch approved judicial branch , seems clear one key registering bodies control judicial branch suggest supreme court , , regionally , courts appeal specifically , offices clerks courts already operate substantial record keeping operations records confidential concept court holding information confidence accordance law longstanding legal precedents judiciary immune pressure executive branch executive branch agency contractor judicial control keys appropriate half key , suggest unit congress , general accounting office gao congress 's staff unit keeping tabs executive branch , excellent reputation 's controlled strictly congress executive branch authority keys split legislative judicial branches , might chance system working honestly , course , way found keep keys reach construed endorsement whole clipper concept , splitting control across three branches government might make work john nagle
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject political point attack clipper infrastructure organization dsi uscrpac lines 24 article 1993apr22 news clarkson edu tuinstra signal ece clarkson edu soe writes figures , estimate number clipper tap requests fbi expecting publish figure compare per capita basis amount tapping known suspected attorney general publishes number court ordered taps year n't enough \( around thousand \) average non crook , non spy worry fact , considering reasonable guess number big time crooks spies around , may enough even crooks spies worry 's reason believe go clipper , since number taps includes many targets stupid use encryption \( based 've heard court cases \) david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
dla mil \( steve hamilton \) subject strange disk behaviour keywords disk organization defense logistics service center , battle creek , mi lines 21 286 western digital wd hard drive drive 782 cylinders 4 read write heads physically , logically 977 cylinders 5 read write heads \( \? \? ! ! \) cmos setting instructed set type 17 \( ibm 977 cyl 5 read write heads \) , problem sent western low level program manufacturer , instructed run hard drive cmos setting set type 17 worked k verified disk using program reloaded dos high level format , errors , bad sectors , etc run norton speedisk 6 01 \( disk \) verify option set , get error verifying sector nnnn , nnnn number \( time \) ideas going would appreciated ! thank ! steve hamilton dla mil
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject sweet 's syndrome \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 28 brother 's affine recently diagnosed sweet 's syndrome also called steroid resistant sweet 's syndrome syndrome started 131 treatment 'd reluctant treatment many years apparently started show understand may still testing high thyroid level 's n't treated endocrinologist previous endocrinologist entered hospital entered hospital sweet 's syndrome symptoms \( skin lesions \) 've looked last two years medline n't find abstract mentioning correlation thyroid sweets checked handbook said sweet 's associated 'd like experts new york city travel new york city sweets perhaps information might help apparently n't much improvement condition past several months jackie
vm cmp ilstu edu subject pierre turgeon stud ! organization illinois state university lines 11 blues fan n't get see much else around league exception hockey night espn ca n't get blues games go school , thus n't get see whole lot teams play except hawks last night got catch glimpse caps isles game occurred turgeon stud skates moves quick brilliant ny fans proud p game \( caps isles \) \? peace , hammer
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject jeff mason 's auction marvel , dc , image , valiant , etc organization univ florida psychology dept lines 106 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu summary wednesday april 21 , 1993 update following comics auction highest bid takes ! new stuff added ! \( ! mr premium comic ! \) title minimum current alpha flight 51 \( jim lee 's first work marvel \) 5 00 aliens 1 \( 1st app aliens comics , 1st prnt , may 1988 \) 20 00 krism three amazing spider man 136 \( intro new green goblin \) 20 00 amazing spider man 238 \( 1st appearance hobgoblin \) 50 00 archer armstrong 1 \( frank miller smith layton \) 7 50 avengers 263 \( 1st appearance x factor \) 3 50 bloodshot 1 \( chromium cover , bwsmith cover poster \) 5 00 daredevil 158 \( frank miller art begins \) 35 00 dark horse presents 1 \( 1st app concrete , 1st printing \) 7 50 detective 657 \( azrael appears , intro cypher \) 5 00 harbinger 10 \( 1st appearance h r corps \) 7 00 b matthey sold h r corps 1 5 00 incredible hulk 324 \( 1st app grey hulk since 1 1962 \) 7 00 incredible hulk 330 \( 1st mcfarlane issue \) 15 00 incredible hulk 331 \( grey hulk series begins \) 11 00 incredible hulk 367 \( 1st dale keown art hulk \) 15 00 incredible hulk 377 \( 1st new hulk , 1st prnt , keown \) 15 00 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 7 50 maxx limited ashcan \( 4000 copies exist , blue cover \) 33 50 brentb three mr 1 \( signed advance copy , 10 , 000 exist \) 10 00 new mutants 86 \( mcfarlane cover , 1st app cable cameo \) 10 00 new mutants 100 \( 1st app x force \) 5 00 new mutants annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 10 00 omega men 3 \( 1st appearance lobo \) 7 50 omega men 10 \( 1st full lobo story \) 7 50 power man iron fist 78 \( 3rd appearance sabretooth \) 20 00 power man iron fist 84 \( 4th appearance sabretooth \) 15 00 simpsons comics stories 1 \( polybagged special ed \) 7 50 spectacular spider man 147 \( 1st app new hobgoblin \) 12 50 star trek next generation 1 \( feb 1988 , dc mini \) 7 50 star trek next generation 1 \( oct 1989 , dc comics \) 7 50 trianglehead 1 \( special limited edition , \) 5 00 web spider man 29 \( hobgoblin , wolverine appear \) 10 00 web spider man 30 \( origin rose , hobgoblin appears \) 7 50 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 15 00 wolverine 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 5 00 wolverine 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 50 wolverine 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 3 00 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 20 00 wonder woman 267 \( return animal man \) 12 50 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 20 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 10 00 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help titles posted n't list every issue title , tried save space geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
rpicas porto inescn pt \( rui picas \) subject subscrive organization internet lines 3 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert export lcs mit edu please subscrive rpicas porto inescn pt
lilley v5 cgu mcc ac uk \( chris lilley \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? keywords image enhancement lines 18 reply c c lilley mcc ac uk organization computer graphics unit , mcc article world std com , wdm world std com \( wayne michael \) writes searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix x motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop mac corel draw 4 able include stuff pc version got version 3 n't hold breath though chris lilley technical author , itti computer graphics visualisation training project computer graphics unit , manchester computing centre , oxford road , manchester , uk m13 9pl internet c c lilley mcc ac uk voice 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6045 fax 44 \( 0 \) 61 275 6040 janet c c lilley uk ac mcc
uts uni c dk \( h pedersen \) subject products handle hdtv moving \( 180mb sec \) organization uni c , danish computing centre research education lines 9 16 bit color hdtv work \? 5 bit red green blue like macintosh gives 64 gray levels apple also developed point point network around 200mb \( sure bits bytes \) per sec h pedersen macintosh specialist knows dos unix pope imv aau dk uts uni c dk finger pope imv aau dk pgp public key
dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) subject car buying story , christ , another dealer service scam nntp posting host mudd se houston geoquest slb com organization geoquest system , inc houston distribution usa lines 27 article 1993apr16 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes go find invoice prices car , add reasonable profit dealer \( 200 300 \? \? \) , offer price stick whoa ! watch terminology dealer invoice dealer cost 'll hear lots ads screaming two dollars dealer invoice ! ! ! sounds like real deal , huh \? know dealer invoice \( also called factory invoice \) \? 's piece paper numbers factory sends dealer numbers signify \? absolutely nothing 's marketing gimmick salesman wave face impress note nowhere invoice claim real price car , ads mention dealer invoice end fast , low voice saying something like invoice may reflect actual dealer cost actually , guarantee reflect actual dealer cost also , reasonable profit dealer usually around three percent adjust according dealer cost car options want haggle like hell salesman cost dealer prep protection package \( e paint fabric \) 're , ask salesman toss thing two n't cost cash wife got twin turbo mitsubishi bought mitsubishi mini van
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject electronic components etc x xxdate thu , 22 apr 93 15 19 34 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 95 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 19 bunch things many chips type new pull price desc n 3 50 16 bit serial converter smt like p 12 00 ti dsp chip p 12 00 make mac \? \? \? \? n 12 00 piggyback emulator z8 family p 12 00 nec 's eprom version dsp chip p 25 00 gotta really want 'em ! n 30 00 hitachi 256 64 bitmapped display lots others including , , , stuff includes cipher tape drives 10 00 data device programmer 60 00 dont go ! apple laserwriter 550 00 beauty 8k page mac 800k int drives 40 00 cheers mike
thacker enh nist gov subject comtrade organization nist lines 8 anyone experience buying computers comtrade \? asked tc , got one reply describing problems returning defective hard drive expect problems comtrade \? thanks , thacker miami fl
ashwin gatech edu \( ashwin ram \) subject often kids fall sick \? etc reply ashwin cc gatech edu \( ashwin ram \) organization georgia institute technology , college computing lines 35 20 month son started falling sick quite often every since started going day care home first year fall sick even seems like sort cold flu pretty much month time cold leads ear infection well , result ends antibiotics 3 weeks 4 know kids day care fall sick often , beginning wonder often often really , whether son susceptible lower immunity average , longer term effects constantly sick taking antibiotics , build resistance really enjoys day care think 's great , beginning wonder whether think getting nanny studies help answer questions \? often kids first , second third years fall sick \? often get colds , , ear infections \? data home care vs day care \? sick build immunity \( leading less illness later \) , make kids weaker \( leading illness later \) , long term effect \? taking antibiotics regular basis negative long term effects \? one tell child susceptible illness normal , one \? way build immunity resistance \? data , information advice relating would much appreciated thanks lot ashwin
stephen j andrew cmu edu subject encryption chip availibility organization junior , mechanical engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu hi everybody ! anyone know companies currently manufacturing encryption chips sale general public \? get ! pointers would greatly appreciated thanks steve
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 15 article may 9 05 40 15 1993 athos rutgers edu , eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) writes 4 \) nothing unclean shall enter heaven \( rev 21 27 \) therefore , babies born state die , god put hell , exactly doctrine st augustine st thomas jeff adams regarding first paragraph , would say n't write n't believe babies put hell n't even believe hell least , n't believe fiery place teeth geno
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 72 nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes word utter complete horse puckey look term dictionary ok lets look according dictionary , zi ism international movement orig establishment jewish national religious community palestine later support modern israel , support establishment nations based religious principles , support establishment nations based cultural identities questions ask anyone answer point someone said long time ago politics , like men , important say actually 1 \) mother jewish \( father \) apply law return , get jew trying return land , family expelled 2000 years ago \? 2 \) go back , nationality would id show \? 3 \) decided go back land relatives expelled 2000 years ago , first convert religion , apply law return member jewish nation apply someone whose mother jewish \? 4 \) nationality would show id case 3 \) \? 5 \) change day day converted loose part jewish nation \? 6 \) suppose want get married current wife , non jewish israel , \? 7 \) would situation change decided , going back israel , convert islam \? , one question believe people country care politics want left alone suppose father arab suppose born palestine , place part israel suppose father , grandfather well 20 30 generations born place suppose war independence father , scared fighting going , tries take family place secure , among people knows , speak language understands , worship god , suppose place arab country , suppose war new country created father used live , country called israel , country , jews world received people whose family left thet country 200 generation ago recieved granted full citizenship , decided go back father 's land , born 20 30 generations family born , right go back ask recognized way returning 2000 years \? , finally , people ask would define jew , irrelevant talking would define jew , people zionist organizations , important , israel , define jew would zionist define jew \? eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder aap
cosmos netcom com \( cosmos \) subject \? required file format word ms window file \( doc \) organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) distribution usa lines 5 hi ! trying develop utility view word window file need know format doc \( word window file format \) files anybody tell format doc file direct get format \? help greatly appriciated thanks ,
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject back doors clipper \? organization dsi uscrpac lines 20 think unlikely back doors clipper , two reasons 1 government n't need get key \( yes , assume official government obeys court orders , etc design chip approval official \) 2 would defeat whole purpose providing secure crypto american business could n't read economic adversaries legitimate genuine purpose , many think , nsa read des , bother otherwise \? rational responses preferred conspiracy theories , thanks david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
abekas com \( bill batty \) subject anybody remember weeks back organization abekas video systems inc , redwood city , california lines 11 post originating russia advertising large quantities red mercury sale stirred bit controversy time , morning , npr relates news corruption scandal involving russian defense minister \( among others \) , selling defense items , among \( strangely enough \) , red mercury n't suppose \? \? \? \? \? bill batty abekas video systems inc net abekas ! pyramid com
l h wood lut ac uk subject new duo dock info reply l h wood lut ac uk \( lloyd wood \) organization loughborough university , uk lines 31 article 1993apr20 pasteur berkeley edu cory berkeley edu \( gordon \) writes article c558172 mizzou1 missouri edu , c558172 mizzou1 missouri edu writes little known fact macs cpu connected via cellular network cray supercomputer apple 's garage \( 's right one steve steve built apple \) shannon silly n't know division apple allowed use cray legal department \? gordon um 've sold cray realised spending two years finite stress analysis figures complex injection molded cases way go , holding development work especially first model portable left battery cover , 's portable three years late designing metal cases easier 're managing calculator da , compute 45 100 0 45 correctly suggestions \? l
steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) subject freedom u nntp posting host surya cs ucla edu organization ucla , computer science department lines 31 hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes well canada wrong hate speech law sb us aclu would made sure repressive laws found unconstitutional bull shit reason world ca n't say taking views analogous kkk 's organization wrong reason morality may legislated allow theft , murder , rape allow hateful sppech whose purpose stir anger violence harry think answer mr 's question found first amendment us constitution amendment \( \) congress shall make law respecting establishment religion , prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech , press right people peaceably assemble , petition government redress grievances steve steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 steven cs ucla edu los angeles , ca 90024 1596
world std com \( scott \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution inet lines 21 article 1993apr21 csus edu sphughes sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( shaun p hughes \) writes article 1r3jgbinn35i eli cs yale edu jgfoot minerva cis yale edu writes perhaps encryption types would defend digitized porn posted encrypted \? issues seperable maintain would anyone post anything encrypted \? encryption use persons know decrypt data mean something like uuencode \? n't super crypto , encrypted scott scott irc 's really one requirement world std com prophet , 've got b4 f w g k \( ! \) r p 's \? also ursa major spdcc com mouth j r dobbs
quads uchicago edu \( \) subject better bike \? reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 6 looking honda shadow intruder 800 1400 \? heard bikes \? also , plan long time riding twin v cruisers best bikes get , dont want something massive like \?
simmon nist gov \( eric simmon \) subject opinion means lines 56 nntp posting host maxwell nist gov dsc3jfs nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil \( jim small \) writes article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes since occurance , 've paid many dollars renumerance , taken drunk class , , yes , listened self righteous assholes like think rest world 've never little dd suaree us n't fucking stupid cock sucking asshole 's n't little dd suaree i'm soo impressed 've spend precious little dollars make stupid act go fuck friends killed drunk driving assholes like infante 2 children friends drunk driving assholes like infante 2 's self righteous asshole , weak willed fuck head \? hate 3b2 3b2 bite jim , hope never drive \( ride \) drinking taking prescription drugs n't get enough sleep night upset girlfriend n't feel like brain talking body think seca want break lap record situations potential harm \( read death \) people make never endangered someone else driving vehicle unsafe manner , go right ahead bitch mr infante misuse motor vehicle otherwise , think driving responsibilities sorry loss friends , could well idiot bought volvo problems falling asleep wheel eric simmon nist gov
gord jericho uucp \( gord wait mos systems vancouver design center \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? organization mos systems , inc \( vancouver design center \) lines 14 article 1993apr15 164940 11632 mercury unt edu sean mcmains mcmains unt edu writes wow ! 68070 ! 'd interested get hands one , especially considering fact motorola yet released 68060 , supposedly next 680x0 lineup 8 68070 made someone motorola \( signetics perhaps \) , \( memory serves correctly \) 68000 compatible single chip micro type chip ie built extra toys like serial ports , ram interfaces etc , laugh want , critter ! gord wait systems vancouver design centre uunet ! jericho ! gord gord jericho uunet uu net even days
jdsiegel garnet berkeley edu \( joel siegel \) subject duo price reduction \? organization university california , berkeley lines 18 nntp posting host garnet berkeley edu yes , duo prices dropped n't msrp reductions , \( though find recent tidbits , archived sumex \) 's berkeley educational price list \( old new \) duo 210 4 80 1919 1569 duo 230 4 80 1961 duo 230 4 120 2268 duo 230 4 120 modem joel joel siegel jdsiegel garnet berkeley edu jdsiegel ocf berkeley edu never able find feminism know called feminist whenever express sentiments differentiate rebecca west , 1913
alisonjw spider co uk \( alison j wyld \) subject dreams body incidents organization spider systems limited , edinburgh , uk lines 40 article may 11 02 37 40 1993 athos rutgers edu dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) writes 'd like get comments question mind lot morals ethics apply dreams body incidents \? normal dreams , ca n't control anything , obviously n't morally responsible actions contrive control action dreams oobe , seems like morality applies well one \( apparently \) odd people sometimes control dreams example , might decide going sleep want repeat favourite dream , dream specific place unpleasant dream , often \( always \) redirect events something pleasant guess think standards apply directed dreams apply waking fantasies real life \( ref jesus teaching looking woman committing \) normal dreams display themes would chose dream , take sign well inner life maybe underlying fears need resolved , maybe straightforward sin either case , cause needs resolved fact , either case pretty rare n't often remember dreams n't chose , almost always tell something important also almost never dream pictures , especially colour \( fact 've precisely one full colour picture dream remember , definately spiritually important \) tend dream sound , odd blurred image , black white interesting topic 'll fascinated read responses alison ps make clear , n't \( never tried \) oobes tend think limits christians
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject habs late nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 50 article vm1 mcgill ca ccdb ccdb musica mcgill ca writes quebec dominated habs first 2 periods roy kept one , although blow 2nd goal canadians showed third nords playing dump pull back time notice nobody team willing take charge \? dominant defenceman would nice bad schneider got hurt reminds chris chelios sometimes speaking chelios , wonder serge savard feels like moron making trade also wish still corson rob ramage ice less useful bottle bench vincent damphousse decided take vacation , apparently idea demers playing denis savard checking line carbonneau savard skating well , one dangerous canadiens quebec 's zone puck bad nobody front time also notice defensive zone , single nordique gets knocked \? 's disgusting also lebeau \( , 172 \) getting pasted centre ice \( , 205 \) reply team , except yell penalty dammit , denis savard threw best \( \? \) montreal hit night knocked sundin balance denis savard team 's enforcer , 's big trouble someplace hextall made good saves really one lost first period nords scored 3 could 5 , plus another 4 2nd aside second goal , roy stand head third period least provided something look forward habs period , imo , guess somebody finally came along smack couple times second intermission remind game started 7 30 hopefully play way home roy made saves \( 'll ignore second goal \) , 's team dchhabra stpl ists ca p grant fuhr doubters buffalo 4 , boston 0 'nuff said somebody say dale hunter playoff \? 'd rethink position \)
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject hyperknowledge organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england lines 33 nntp posting host prawn sp ph article judy uh edu , wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov writes article 1993apr28 embl heidelberg de , embl heidelberg de \( \) writes announcement hyperknowledge project nextstep know kinda subject sci space , really , want answer , well everyone else 's information people proposing , large already exists purchased today called labview national instruments wonderful object wonderful object oriented graphical programming language lines deleted afraid mis directed nextstep operating system opposed package read little since steve jobs seem marketing capabilities bill gates info limited probably far inferior windows nt going widely distributed \( another flame ridden story \) innovative features nextstep binary compatibility across platforms \( eg copy program sparc pc would run , opposed buying version package ported pc \) , graphical object oriented design \( postscript \) , supports parallel processing , best based around mach micro kernel make look like unix x , dos , nt even vms feel need package comes even close hope people subscribe hyperknowledge project nextstep finally takes lifetime \) mail dr ata etemadi , laboratory , space atmospheric physics group , imperial college science , technology , medicine internet arpanet earn bitnet atae spva ph ic ac uk ata c ucl ac uk span spva atae atae
charlea eng clemson edu \( charles allen \) subject i'm using dos 6 anymore organization clemson university lines 10 regarding horror stories dos6 doubledisk stacker 2 \? killing hard drives wondering dos 6 mirror command works doubled drive info well normal fat table partition table records vital doubledisk info , using daily go long way toward protecting type catastrophic failure discussed n't , shame microsoft
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject let's go buffalo ! organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 16 nntp posting host teal article 93111 psuvm psu edu robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu writes article andrew cmu edu , william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu says know , never really appreciated ! looks like bob errey 's ring really locker room , everyone else wants one , ! \) correct i'm wrong though , \( , fuhr 's 5 rings errey 's n't bob 2 rings \? mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
l sanders larc nasa gov \( lyle sanders \) subject stylewriter vs ii organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host advise larc nasa gov keywords stylewriter printer anyone know differences stylewriter stylewriter ii \? please respond via e mail l sanders larc nasa gov thanks lyle sanders l sanders larc nasa gov unisys government systems inc \( 128 155 4 44 \) mail stop 157 b \( 804 \) 864 voice nasa langley research center \( 804 \) 864 fax hampton , va 23681 0001 feel obliged believe god endowed us sense , reason intellect intended us forgo use galileo
athena mit edu \( glenn \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help organization massachusetts institute technology lines 9 nntp posting host w20 575 129 mit edu i'm 's true monitor problem seems occur whenever 15 mag monitor put 1024x768 mode i'm running os 2 1024 symptoms appear seem like video card problem cirrus logic 5426 chip ati gup seem cause problems two different cards glenn
zen holonet net \( dick \) subject products handle hdtv moving \( 180mb sec \) nntp posting host zen holonet net organization holonet national internet access system 510 704 1058 modem lines 48 co jp writes hi , 'd like know system \( cpu hd array framebuffer \) play record hdtv quality moving picture realtime hdtv 6mb frame , recording playing moving picture need 180mb sec bandwidth i'm thinking treat raw data compressed finding disk array 180mb sec difficult fastest ones know maximum strategy \( ibm also sells \) attach 144 mb sec \( 64 bit \) kinds data rates need scsi connections latest model , raid 5 model gen 4 90 mb sec think may limitation channel customer needs exceeded speed since older model faster also idle \( must working newer products might faster \) small company might able ask custom interfaces still marketed older , faster model ago maximum strategy , inc 801 court milpitas , ca sales com might still want look compression difficult keep bus fully working times sustained throughput might come close maximum burst rate interesting problem tell us \? anyone advise kind product look , please e mail vendor 's e mail address , price products , actual performance data products , info help thanks advance , kaz sato , tokyo , japan e mail co jp dick editor , independent raid report \( 510 \) 938
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 24 article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu inde7wv rosie uh edu writes bike luckily guy stops foot behind rear wheel understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? anybody drove somebody like country would hopefully lose licence however , avoidance simple n't stop behind cage stop beside , better still , front , acts buffer tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
ingr com \( gregory l \) subject trailer sale reply ingr com organization intergraph corporation lines 32 trailer sale 1990 hooper auto transport trailer x 6 5' 4 ton gross weight capacity tandem axle suspension 7 x 14 5 mh nylon tires comes spare tire electric brakes stop lights turn signals loading ramps tilt towing removable front steel fence removable stake sides attaching , , etc rigged hauling automobile , tractor , equipment , etc less 4000 miles since new , title registration papers sale original owner 795 big hook end chain 4 web negotiable \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) greg \( \) \( \) senior software analyst phone \( 205 \) 730 \( \) \( \) aeronautical systems , msd fax \( 205 \) 730 \( \) \( \) intergraph corporation internet ingr com \( \) \( \) huntsville , al mailstop \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \)
daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com \( daniel prince \) subject fibromyalgia , cfs sleep levels lines 16 know relationship fibromyalgia deep sleep believe five levels sleep think r e sleep third deepest level sleep two deeper levels sleep error , please let know level sleep thought deficient people fibromyalgia \? known sleep disturbances associated cfs \? sleep disturbances \( \) associated clinical depression \? antidepressants correct sleep disturbances diseases \? good books medical journal articles sleep disturbances diseases \? thank advance replies inconvenient answer phone , rings origin one world los angeles 310 372 \( 1 102 129 0 \)
nntp posting host bones et byu edu lines 27 bones et byu edu \( robin \) distribution world organization brigham young university , provo ut usa subject resource listing x11r5 keywords x11r5 , resources anyone know source \( book , file , etc \) standard resource names x11r5 \? small description resource would also helpful , vital help direction go would greatly appreciated thanks robin office home brigham young university college engineering technology robin r 270 clyde building 1080 e 700 n provo , ut 84602 provo , ut phone \( 801 \) 378 phone \( 801 \) 373 email bones et byu edu bruce owen lee pay price brigham young university count cost college engineering technology email lee bones et byu edu rush
arun g andrew cmu edu subject vascar organization freshman , biology , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu know wrong place post , could n't find relevant newsgroups area pa , vascar \( cops measure speed time takes cross distance two white lines road , right \? \) commonly used \? i'm especially interested pittsburgh area \( specific locations , prior experiences , possible \) pa non pa , use vascar state , common rural , city , highway areas , etc i'm interested mainly speed least risk caught always detect radar , 's way fight vascar unless know white lines thanks lot , arun
azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) subject dogs nntp posting host aber ac uk organization university college wales , aberystwyth lines 11 second thought rec 're \? \? \? ! hell , wondering pointless motorcycles find rec \? dont think system takes
wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) subject rules line \? organization hi , i'm matt , i'm boston red sox fan lines 17 nntp posting host elvis swarthmore edu well , i'm finally key official rules archives , , ask anybody official mlb rules electronic format \? trying save ton work , n't scan well ridiculous format 're printed thanks matt matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey , gotta job , ok \? april 6 , 1993 boston red sox seize first place
flash aragorn csee lehigh edu \( stephen \) subject driver chips technologies video board needed organization lehigh university lines 14 nntp posting host aragorn csee lehigh edu would like find windows 3 x driver video board based chips technologies chipset actual board scorpion made based c chipset , barely supports graphics mode hoping c driver could used 640x480x256 mode thanks stephen systems manager lecturer 19 memorial drive west eecs lehigh edu eecs dept , lehigh university lehigh edu bethlehem , pa voice 215 758 fax 215 758
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject room metaphor \? organization decision support inc lines 18 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article 27 augustana edu augustana edu \( lloyd baker \) writes want response giving pros cons metaphorical religious language could atheist accept view without giving believes \? could atheist accept usage religious literature tradition viewed metaphorical way \? course essentially homer , concepts fate , luck , free \) however , remains question whether religious literature say christianity particularly good set metaphors world today 's also entirely unclear , quite unlikely , one could take contemporary religion like divorce potential carries many cases jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
jbrandt com \( jim brandt \) subject multiple heads sparc 2 keywords 2 head server r5 article 1993apr30 organization hughes network systems , inc lines 38 sparc 2 2 cards 'd like r5 server recognize second card created dev device , brought server , second device ignored setup second card \? note borrow card , put card sparc 2 box , r5 server finds second card set display second card , start second window manager worse case trade cards someone , maybe someone seen problem already email preferred post must thanks advance jim jim brandt hughes lan systems hughes network systems 550 south winchester blvd suite 406 san jose , ca email jbrandt com email jbrandt hls com voice \( 408 \) 246 fax \( 408 \) 246
utkvx utk edu \( baker , david \) subject hypodermic syringe news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 13 n't answer , reckon blaise pascal generally credited inventing syringe per se n't know much needles however , know southwest virginia country doctor years ago invented , patented , used , sold syringe hypodermic needle combination retracted , injected flip trigger , retracted , giving near painless injection fellow dr daniel gabriel , termed gabriel somebody else syringe come across one \( plastic , disposable came onto market time product went , knowledge \)
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject waco willie cook \( fbi director 's statement \) organization totally unorganized lines 108 note local tx groups trimmed newsgroups line article geraldo cc utexas edu nash utexas edu \( donald l nash \) writes article transfer stratus com , cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes , right first time law enforcement agencies keep opinions mind breaking assaulting house ok , let correct unfortunate choice words hope law enforcement agencies keep attitude mind next time wife gang raped bunch juvenile , drug dealing thugs jogging park , strike \( etc \) batf came horse trailers , 100 men , ninja uniforms , machine guns , stun grenades , used koresh could even look warrant koresh fought back , people died key part koresh fought back big mistake police decide exert authority , n't fight back unless want people get hurt cease resistance signal submission authority cops boss subject concept defense illegal action color law longer government people people , government people biggest guns idea court fine , one get court one piece korash good reason think going get chance \( see \) n't beat kill people , spite actions bad apples quit resisting , quit hitting perhaps batf react threat posed koresh perhaps use much force ok , fine i'm willing concede point sufficient proof produced \( admit evidence indicate \) however , resisting batf worst thing koresh could done n't resisted , good chance one would hurt remeber , using stun grenades , anti personnel grenades bds violation rember , korash n't get sort , serenely typing keyboard heard kind explosives go , saw attacked overt action \( yet \) could say 'oh , ok , stun anymore could slammed door point proceeded repel attackers felt genuine fear life know would fear life point ever shot \? clear logically could think , pressure , might 1 2 seconds evaluate going \? , would first time intended bring suspect horizontally know , informed someone saying something like hey , guy , batf coming like , mean waste according latest news , released warrant \( told \) said reason ww iii raid korash 's group spent around 200 , 000 00 firearms related stuff \( undetermined period \) , even assuming figure n't calculated like feds drug , 90 people , n't really much \( priced decent guns lately \? \) hell , think person right probably much one individual , mostly machineguns ! ! ! sure , avid collector , unless new law passed , illegal , indication anything illegal , lot guns also note warrant nothing say machine guns , justification cowboy raid , gone bad anti gun media hype , support clinton 's push disarming unconnected citizen effective defensive weapons \? administration one thing mind control people control whether gun control , clinton cripple chip , national smart id cards , boils people control say 1984 , 10 years late \? knew could \) laws , would released happened turned batf used much force , bds would grounds law suit federal charges civil rights violations \( sounds lot like la , huh \? n't take wrong , i'm commenting one way rodney king case \) 's wanted got tipped batf way , rather adopting non violent , non threatening posture batf , decided fight batf knew bds expecting \( via 60 minutes report \) decided big , bad , would bds expense , nice media show anyway turned shit , fbi taking manage things , see turned shit , clinton says 'i taking full responsibility means take repercussions goes wrong bet nobody pays serious repercussions meaning media pr , means corner average joe schmoe figure clinton , reno , fbi batf , immune say whitewash \? 've said enough issue i'm probably going convince folks 're certainly going convince 've got work afraid government land free decide acceptable , get even afraid especially decide , reason , dislike longer feel need confine cowboy tactics , pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
king reasoning com \( dick king \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host drums reasoning com organization reasoning systems , inc , palo alto , ca lines 37 article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes flame especially usa grateful , columbus drop edge earth \( enabled columbus indeed crank , manner think fact world round well known set sail also well known circumference 25k miles , could reach asia bo going west current technology would neither able carry enough supplies , get long enough stretch good sailing weather nobody thought would fall edge world instead , expected die sea columbus thought good reason circumference 16k miles , making trip practical unfortunately columbus , earth 's circumference indeed 25k miles fortunately columbus , stopping place right asia would circumference 16k miles source recent pbs series columbus \) flame , end sermon \) alex
smorris venus lerc nasa gov \( ron morris \) subject wjr boston organization nasa lewis research center lines 19 distribution na nntp posting host venus lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 john writes red wings fans boston , thought 'd know \( desperate news game \) tried get wjr \( 760 \) walkman succeeded ! night \( 10pm \) reception got better got get wjr long way away problem , well known beloved contractual obligations , wjr tiger baseball instead wings playoff games probably half games wings could play series , know tonight 's game believe games 5 6 \( \) bumped ron one major goals leave next president new set things worry i'm getting bored reading problems paper , decade decade want people deal new problems president bill clinton 2 4 93
claebaur shell portal com \( tony annese \) subject need iconized printer utility nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 12 article 93122 auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes looking printer utility stay window 3 1 icon let drag file issue printing one minimize print manager drag file print need associate file extensions things notepad though tony annese claebaur shell portal com claebaur cup portal com
auerbach batman bmd trw com subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! lines 37 article scottj iamac 1 dml georgetown edu , scottj magic dml georgetown edu \( john l scott \) writes article dusek shale , dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) wrote fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? okay , james , tell 'll building 90 people 'll put highly tense situation 'll subject sleep deprivation , remove utilities , march tanks back forth front , play recordings tortured rabbits high volume , shine bright lights windows , threaten attack time , cut outside world , weeks time , 'll begin smash building 're , destroying passages stairs spreading debris everywhere time , 'll pump massive quantities nasty tear gas , six hours stop ! ! ! ! enough ! ! ! i'm ! mean , i'm relatively sane person god knows i'm weak forgive i'm stupid enough stay place longer want ! ! ! 'll holed small area 90 sweaty people hot day building fill smoke become inferno 90 people small room try leave jim , n't make , wo n't agree must wanted die \? besides , nine people successfully flee fire yeah , least one person ran back sounds like personal choice religious , beleive dying beliefs , probably core happened waco west tend disregard type displayed many moslem fundamentalist groups see nothing wrong dying beliefs convictions suspect type displayed bds 'll probably never know karl
patrick gallagher andrew cmu edu subject ray lankford question organization freshman , mathematics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 13 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu anybody know going lankford \? know games slight injury , since \( injury matter \) really struggling plate ray lankford saw last year \? \? \? beg differ , couple 3 hit games came back get caught stealing though also missed sunday 's game play tonight \? , i'm worried 's team patrick
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject wiretapping reality today originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 24 strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes messages seem reflect view government listening everything one hide one 's clipper messages somehow non escrowed crypto goes away little perspective might order right people believe government listening everything sure ca n't provide answer , change assumptions something deal 's matter government listening everything , 's matter government listening anyone take interest say , something heinous like attend computer meeting mall , secret service decides go search , name 's matter number possible wiretap abuses cryptology makes far less likely , chip sabotage par course , though predicted 'd jumping favor reply 'd justify anything including death camps long government backed written policy statement perhaps little extreme , much seattle indian word meaning 52 degrees raining
dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization department industrial engineering lines 25 ez027993 chip ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanova huckabay \) said baseball games take 2 51 nl , shade 3 hours al 's damn long n't like play 3 hour games , much less watch game long butt falls asleep , i'm watching tv , 'll channel surf pitches , catching versions mr ed , leave beaver , wacky nick nite , gary , certain sofa like , advantage watch pirates kbl , mets , braves tbs , mediots espn time , without missing anything \( something impressive happens , 'll catch replay \) \) , see \( essentially \) 4 games 3 hours , instead 1 game 2 hours deal ! \( insert smileys desired \) david tate \( dtate pitt edu \) greetings , sir , bat quick member iie , orsa , tims , sabr hands soft , eye discerning denver call slugger \? big catullus galarraga compare mattingly ! \?
gradient cis upenn edu \( jr \) subject earth also pollutes organization university pennsylvania lines 31 nntp posting host gradient cis upenn edu article murdoch acc virginia edu rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) writes article dzvb3b6w164w cellar org techie cellar org \( william bacon \) writes fury mother nature clearly , man long way go match nature environment bullshit many lakes ceased able support life purely natural pollution \? man already done scores lakes also , much degredation cite done cows pigs perhaps heard dead sea may wrong , believe n't believe humans hand , although possible since great cedar forests lebanon memory time christ earlier , point , nature may , man certainly creative credit heavy metals , mention radioactivity , wonderfully persistent fatal \( invented radioactivity heavy metals , concentrated would lethal threat \) general find mr bacon 's arguments rhetorical , devoid sense , therefore trivial btw , reason discussion phl misc \? long , jr
se houston geoquest slb com \( john schultz \) subject opinions 88 89 pontiac bonneville nntp posting host spock se houston geoquest slb com organization geoquest system , inc houston lines 21 article ds acsu buffalo edu v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) writes market buy used car particularly interested pontiac bonneville budget 7 8 thousand would able afford 88 89 engines available time know n't redesign 1992 model year reliability past models would appreciate advice information neil gandler word , yes 1989 prices \( avg retail \) sedan 4d le 7 , 125 sedan 4d se 8 , 125 sedan 4d sse 10 , 975
cray com \( david \) subject ca n't set com4 lines 27 nntp posting host cray com reply cray com organization cray research , inc article fnnews fnal gov , fnal gov \( mike \) writes also problem com4 g2k system gateway 2k 486dx 33 system ati video card \( identical system mentioned original posting , except 33mhz instead 66 \) reason , system refuses recognize com4 example , configure board \( motherboard \) com ports com1 com2 , everything fine configure com3 com4 , com3 works ok , com4 diagnostics shipped system , msd utility windows act port n't 's irq conflict , swap irqs com3 com4 , com3 still works \( com4 still n't \) actually noticed problem trying install 2 additional ports \( boca high speed 2s 1p card \) behavior boca card exactly \( e g would work com1 , com2 , com3 , com4 \) smell port conflict , ca n't imagine expansion cards installed machine video card , gateway would pretty stupid board com4 conflict something else motherboard ! anybody else problem \? ran six months ago system gw2000 486dx 66v , 8 megs ram , 1meg ati gup vlb seems problem ati graphics ultra pro card consumes com4 port reason , com1 3 available believe documented somewhere system manuals , ca n't recall dave
dgf1 quads uchicago edu \( david farley \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? reply dgf1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 30 article 0010580b diablo uucp diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) writes article world std com \( sci image processing , comp graphics \) , wdm world std com \( wayne michael \) writes searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix x motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop mac stuff deleted understand adobe working making photoshop available sgi indigo , rumor would n't bet see going release illustrator sgi real soon charles boesel diablo creative pro con cboesel diablo uu holonet net 's opposite progress \? 1 510 687 \( work \) else , congress adobe seminar conference propaganda forum whatever want call couple months ago announced display postscript going included next release sun 's os , \( presumably solaris \) sun going drop development newsprint , , return , adobe going port illustrator photoshop sun articles appeared trade journals immediately , n't heard hope 's still works david farley university chicago library 312 702 3426 1100 east 57th street , jrl 210 dgf1 midway uchicago edu chicago , illinois 60637
dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) subject thyroidal deficiency organization p dyer computer consulting , cambridge article 1993apr30 cc ic ac uk ps ic ac uk \( erik viking \) writes doctor taken ordinary \( \? \) tests values regarded low doctor \( wife \) interested starting medication gland , giving life long dependency drug \( hormone \? \) ridiculous , doctor sounds like nut , reported doctor actually said wife 's pancreas stops producing insulin therefore becomes diabetic , 'll need insulin replacement n't mean 's dependent insulin , anymore beforehand body n't make enough , 'll get elsewhere oral thyroid replacement hormone therapy cornerstone treatment , 's really effective therapy available anyway plus , 's cheap taking thyroid hormone n't needed cause thyroid gland reduce production hormone , 's feature , bug , 's irrelevant case face , problem gland n't producing enough n't clinical phenomenon thyroid caused sudden thyroid hormone analogous adrenal caused sudden cessation prolonged administration , worry suppressing thyroid gland last couple seeing \( sp \? \) given drops activate either thyroidal gland center' brain \( sorry approximate language , n't got many clues english terms , brain area called norwegian \) homeopathy nonsense tell stop wasting money , health time , get legitimate doctor position make proper diagnosis recommend right therapy steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! dyer
jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) organization itc uva community access unix internet project distribution usa lines 25 article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \) geico purchased radar guns several states , know done ct also heard horror stories people insured geico years 1 accident immediately dropped 've dropped company become labled high risk , end 3 4 times insurance suggestion , stay , shop around stay away geico ! jeff
aspen wpi edu \( robert walker \) subject broncos organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host aspen wpi edu anybody information second generation broncos \? \( i'm talking bronco ii 's , i'm referring broncos began production 1978 based f 150 chassis believe \) ahh broncos well personally , '78 blue book hair 3 grand bought 2500 bought new tires 650 front end rebuild 350 , carb rebuild 130 unthinkable blew engine \( bronco specific , engine 168 , 000 \) 2400 bucks , nice condition , well new seats bird , radio , 2 amps , speakers , alarm , well radio amps free bought speakers used 40 bucks , speakers took old jeep \( sell jeep bronco might ask , \) lovely , solid front rear , ford 9 dana 44 front watch rear axel wrap , busted u bolts , added traction shocks n't problem since also bottom doors tend rot , bottom likes rust right new ones might budget post 80 broncos front end little stamped folded steel radius arms 78 79 nice big cast iron longer radius arms \( ie wheel travel \) rust doors dings sheet metal n't know removeable tops discontinued fun ordered full top 400 mine \( credit card \) n't ever break window double privacy glass cap 400 bucks replace bronco also pretty good , n't suspension , yet , crossed 3 foot deep water problems , handles rocks like charm one problem wide sometimes ca n't follow cj toyota , two rocks trees , grandmother hard time getting bob
mmaser engr uvic ca \( michael maser \) subject dogs nntp posting host uvic ca reply mmaser engr uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 49 car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages recent discussion rec martial arts humans definitely n't advantages dogs strong often bred fighting one sort another ed dod 1110 related former , come know humans advantages \( well , least one anyway \) little known fact dog release object large swallow told ever attacked dog ball hand fist force dog 's throat dog would naturally gag release , become momentarily disoriented commonly happens humans go doctor throats examined \( proof positive \) time dog 's disorientation , next move would wrap arm dog throat choke hold manner might dog lapses \( lack oxygen blood flow \) finally , run like wind get away local area dog get really pissed second thought rec rec motorcycles till next time mike maser dod squid rating 5 9235 pinetree rd sidney , b c , hopalonga yuka yuka excess 400 v8l wish list tridump , mucho , burley home \( 604 \) 656 6131 thumpison , work \( 604 \) 721 mmaser sirius uvic ca joke month gay say university victoria indian chief \? news rec motorcycles answer bum couple bucks \?
strom watson ibm com \( rob strom \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host stockholm watson ibm com organization ibm research lines 84 article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes order reject word fbi batf neccessary beleive words man murdered 17 children ordered suicide murder 80 followers according account given batf attempted serve warrant upon koresh ranch met gunfire deliberate attempt murder koresh gun supporter claim batf started shooting simply stand aft gone start shooting would gone heavier grade weaponry standard issue handguns practical purposes unarmed , b followers automatic weapons people want gun control must obviously discount entire government story simply rationalisation enough simply dismiss government incompetent would require come solution instead come government conspiracy theory whereby government decided set murder 80 people set sort scare alow get gun control legislation must object characterization opposed government 's handling waco situation gun supporters argument tries paint batf critics right wing gun nuts , mixes two issues one batf fbi critics , yet liberal anti gun happen believe everyone civil rights , even religious crazies 're human beings , nest wasps 're trying exterminate batf created crisis situation way handled original raid well known koresh regularly went jogging outside property could served search warrant could arrested refused comply instead officers armed grenades invaded property escalated shooting war tragic deaths sides first two mistakes bad judgment asking knock warrant , bad probably illegal way already unwise warrant served point , situation escalated described armed standoff hostage crisis 's government started covering traces , sealing warrant , reported history incident , etc things already building disaster government could simply closed supply routes waited according janet reno , option never seriously considered , supposedly agents frustrated , supposedly backups , felt go 's entirely possible koresh responsible fire 's , deserves blame deaths people compound government 's hands far clean first raid demonstrated bad judgment plus contempt 4th amendment motivations second raid unbelievable coverup events first raid undermines credibility anything thereafter biased fbi word happened please let 's turn pro gun vs anti gun discussion anti gun people believe gun owners deserve get assaulted armed government agents koresh 's civil rights exist whether guns legal , illegal , illegal legal , whatever ! rob strom , strom watson ibm com , \( 914 \) 784 ibm research , 30 saw mill river road , p box 704 , heights , ny
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject help phone wire ones tip ring \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university distribution usa lines 35 article 1993apr22 husc3 harvard edu mlevin husc8 harvard edu \( michael levin \) writes bought little gizmo supposed installed series tip ring lines phone wire ones \? suppose holding regular phone wire , little plastic tooth \( little plastic square thing naked lead ends plug phone \) facing , away 4 wires see tip ring \? please reply mlevin husc8 harvard edu mike levin mike , ring red wire tip green wire standard phone lines two constitute two wires often used voice telephone \( two live lines \) two connectors rj 11 phone jack another way telling measure voltage red green \( ring tip tip green ground potential voltmeter \) , read 48 volts hook ring position \) 98 sure 's 48 v 48 volts n't hurt phone much 're reversed , 's bad one happens somehow get grounded earth ground elsewhere \) additionally , hook , voltage drops 4 9 volts dc think supposed correspond 36 40 current loop lastly , ringing , two wires develop ac potential 80 v p p 20 30 hz across \( get old fashioned bell ringer \) hope clears things squish endor harvard edu
pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) subject fraud elias davidsson nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) organization columbia university lines 18 article news cso uiuc edu narain uiuc edu writes mark ira kaufman writes responsibility posting quotes context phony 'research center' source , context , agenda ridden , propaganda ever seen take look mirror , mark whatever anyway , elias take look quotes find real , effective ways getting point across notice quotes recent buy clue , nazi man north pete
stk1203 vax003 stockton edu subject big thanks x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 21 'd like thank everyone anyone sent information help project 'll send report requested copy ! keith stk1203 vax003 stockton edu stockton state college pomona , nj
ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) subject atari 2600 processors organization macquarie university , sydney australia lines 46 nntp posting host laurel ocs mq edu au article uniwa uwa edu au john gu uwa edu au \( john west \) writes ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) writes wrong , 6507 would like know , 6507 6502 without irq nmi , 13 address lines \( giving 8k memory space \) yes , still 6502 differences instruction set , course one custom chip \( asic sense word understood \) tia \( sometimes known 6526 , although manufacturers list cia complex interface adapter \) tia stands television interface adapter , handles sound , paddles minimal video hardware 2600 possessed n't know called 6526 thats cia found commodore 64 \( n't believe chip existed 2600 around \) yes , number , entirely different device qualified stating pal version tia 100 sure ntsc tia would different number tia mapped bottom 128 bytes page 0 , shadowed bottom 128 bytes page 1 get image screen , wait raster line picture started , load bitmaps line registers , tell x positions take , many duplicates wanted , etc , next line took processor 's time visible portion display anyone net actually details tia , device yet discovered details \? atari australia , asked , claimed attempts get programmers documentation 2600 failed , us head office refused provide chip selects 6507 likes rom right top memory , 2600 use roms active high chip selects exactly normal , 7404 convert usual active low chip select saw couple cheaper devices 's couple resistors hooked cheap inverter nasty , workable , cheaper 7404 inverter labor costs almost nothing ian
metz une edu au \( ed campbell \) subject libraries text math graphics display \? keywords text math fonts display c code lines 8 nntp posting host metz une edu au anyone know c c libraries preparing displaying quickly pages mixed text , mathematical equations , graphics \( circles , ellipses , etc \) \? maths need tex quality , would useful scaleable main thing would able generate display quickly minimum set formatting code thanks , ed campbell
pyotr halcyon com \( peter hampe \) subject phill says koresh hitler , welcome police state usa organization northwest nexus inc lines 90 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear sure fire method keep bottled talk death surrender without giving justification looney tune religious stunt phil , 've reading postings months i'm convinced back anything , matter damaging may anyone else 's rights think hurt people n't like 's people attitude set preconditions holocaust , process place country , even , pitiful remains constitution slowing progress n't libertarian issue , others may argue line , strictly constitutional view democratic gov't , fbi batf wrong , wrong , wrong , even reasons trying arrest koresh 100 right anything leads deaths 17 children , nothing else touches stoney heart , wrong matter pushed button god 's sake , man , get morality back person murdered 17 children koresh kept brought deaths deliberately may consider complete bastard nice chap thats quite true n't pretend nice amateurs try want talk politics talking hard decisions whether lives troops risked attempting rescue children anyone held office president united states since fdr held threat usa allies threatened usa would risk nuclear holocaust order protect freedom beleive , sort threat nice chaps make gun nutters section us version chance \? cases society protected madmen koresh hitler consideration 17 children question tactics used would matter anything academic significance govt prevent people commiting mass suicide latest reports cult members shot attempting leave compound koresh fire proven would entail final nail coffin want promote koresh sort role model hero need hardly add koresh created holocaust case deliberate arson ranch let see got right group religious schismatics erect compound least fifty years peaceful co existance outside community \( shoot outs \) makes dangerous prior history would seem indicate dangerous last knew national branch davidian party blaming debacle foreign three two beer , calling rounding meat , slaughter houses want tough political choices letting odd balls odd balls \? \( know , requires tolerance go government know people useful skills \) death children everybody getting real upset 40 plus people \? suppose consider children property state family \( states way around children parental property \) consider corrupt government demands send children tender care suppose obey state turn children care sorry womb tomb cradle gotta go , beach calling chus pyotr pyotr halcyon com sometimes pyotr filipivich , sometimes owl april 19 , 1993 realize makes twice two months government perfect plan went \?
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject cleaning electronic equipment \? organization u toronto zoology lines 24 article adrian adrian cc utas edu au \( adrian lewis \) writes quick question standard lab solvents used clean electronic equipment components safely \( ie corrode , dissolve , short , etc equipment \) \? water \? \) methanol \? \? n't say kind electronic equipment mean 's hard give generic answer essentially solvent wo n't things like washing lubricant switches 've needed emergency cleaning job things , 've used distilled water key thing remember make sure gear completely dry powering let dry several days damn sure doubt methanol significant advantages water would wary , least dangerous even 's going harm equipment poisonous , believe 's known carcinogenic svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization totally unorganized lines 32 article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu , mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite someone else pointed , would stove use warm day texas eat food cold \? ever hear electric ovens microwaves \? popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially power cut weeks end generators doubt fuel , would wood stoves kerosene \( maybe \) alleged tanks pushing walls knocked , starting fire remember , fbi bugs even used \( illegally \) eavesdrop private conversations lawyers suicide order given would known time feds concerned would emergency equipment ready hour later , leaving water turned , could turned back n't wanna scores settle pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject physically sound lp records 4 sale , trade barter nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall distribution usa lines 34 still 70 records left hand , pristine condition \( except noted \) , quite print imports bunch rather selling majority 3 4 , i'm looking barter packages stuff might selling usenet 'll also trade records good condition 've replaced cd , well pre recorded videos beta vhs past , 've able make deals based equivalent list store price \( e g , 1 cd 1 movie beta format \) get around might originally paid \( even remember ! \( \) time , i'm looking set working aa nicad batteries lying around , 're sound , rsvp ! 're curious , rsvp list see anything like , send back proposal record package copy ad stuff 're selling thanks ! gld e , imports prints also valued 1 used cd got 2400 baud external modem 10 records \( list 81 \) anybody got nice , unused blender making frozen \? \( ps additions since last posting february list shrunk 've made deals since je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
jrm gnv ifas ufl edu subject batf fbi revenge lines 59 article rwing uucp , pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes sick , dismayed , discouraged ashamed administration looks like us little square fbi korash psychopath , deliberate mass suicide , etc possibly possibly n't believe tear gas used god bless america land free ! ! ! \( past tense \) well , maybe overreacting see tv typing govt \( new attorney general , known almost rabid private ownership guns wants ban 'assault everything else \) , saying fbi amazing restraint , falls back official line bd child abuse , going basis , vain hope honest investigation occur thing \? simply whitewashed rug , business usual continue order day new order \? given official title thought police , wonder \? load crap ! bds absolutely right fire upon batf agents n't know first , surrendered immediately realize dealing little groups loonies get decide laws obey disobey sorts warrants justified like rest us , get say voting booth personal wants backed majority voters , bad wanted keep automatic weapons , could apply proper permits problem warrant get argue court event get establish little nation inside pretend laws law enforcement personel jurisdiction within borders live us territory , live us laws period \( unless congressman \) sure , situation handled badly batf fbi would easy koresh core members streets waco batf , threatened budget cuts , trying propaganda coup dragging press along big commando style assault proof roasted mindset hand , legal right attack begun , pressed finished rather let situation like take root fbi also used poor judgement number ways , laws voters approved , lawmakers created , gave right batf fbi latter day gestapo , voters allowed become way waco pure mentality , religious fanaticism violence rolled one experience get pay , vote , result many choices made years n't blame 'them' blame made 'them' , 'them'
jek cu nih gov subject 2 peter 1 20 lines 22 wrote thought 2 peter 1 20 meant , prophecy scripture \( , one reader suggests , written prophecy \) merely private opinion writer tony replies \( sat 8 may 1993 \) turn implies subject private interpretation reader either sure understand one sense , statement another subject private interpretation reliable historians tell lost war , cannot simply interpret away wanted win facts facts go away want otherwise another sense , every statement subject private interpretation , depend brains decide means , whether sufficiently well attested merit assent even statement occurs inspired writing , still decide , using best judgement , whether fact inspired arrogance inescapable fact , james kiefer
catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu subject magnetic tank bags organization temporary employment service , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 16 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr22 aber ac uk disks \? wo n't erase 're carrying bag \? cathy cathy saum cs20 andrew cmu edu ave 2 '82 yamaha seca pgh , pa '73 cl450 \( custom wooden tank \) studio '64 1 2 mustang \( 351 v8 \) \( 412 \) 521 dod see know , feel feel nobody ever take away mcnally heart stops
wang andrew cmu edu subject help organization sponsored account , physics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 12 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu hi , looking help friend interior designer thailand trying find graphics software pc suggestion software buy , buy much costs \? likes sophisticated software \( features , better \) thanks advance
hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university houston administrative computing lines 47 distribution world nntp posting host uhad2 admin uh edu x news reader vms news 1 24 reply mst4298 rigel tamu edu 's message 23 apr 1993 14 30 cdt rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu writes article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns large propane tank , breached , n't think would identifiable explosion \? least one blast consistent petroleum products saw , however propane interesting stuff n't explode contact air possible tank without exploding far likely , however , compound equipped ng outlets running tank damage 's could ruptured gas lines , allowing gas spread , unnoticed cs fumes general excitement \( propane typically distinctive added reason smell leaks \) , reaching flame spark , ! fire everywhere , maybe explosion use ng pretty common texas , especially semi rural areas , bd members much reason lie gov't true , far fbi batf track record incident bad find tremendously chilling many people seem willing accept governments story , despite much evidence contrary evidence exists right \( least know \) various claims counter claims i'm waiting hard evidence released \? think would disarmed many people fbi followed policy making claims without evidence , evidence far tends refute story semper fi , jammer jim miller texas university '89 '91 n't speak uh , bad , could use help become one student billing system student billing system power finds way take stand stand , ordinary man rik emmet , gil moore , mike levine triumph
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject freely distributable public key cryptography c code \? organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 20 victor iseli \( victori xetron com \) wrote numerical recipes c fortran pascal nice section encryption decryption based des algorithm also source code provided \( think versions book distributed source code disk source code also ordered publisher \) victor iseli victori xetron com yes des implementation recipes c book 1 1 2 orders magnitude slower outerbridge karn gillogly et al implementation may instructional , n't fast grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
tkelso afit af mil \( ts kelso \) subject two line orbital element set space shuttle keywords space shuttle , orbital elements , keplerian nntp posting host scgraph afit af mil organization air force institute technology lines 18 current orbital elements norad two line element sets carried celestial bbs , \( 513 \) 427 0674 , updated daily \( possible \) documentation tracking software also available system service satellite user community , current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial bbs may accessed 24 hours day 300 , 1200 , 2400 , 4800 , 9600 bps using 8 data bits , 1 stop bit , parity element sets \( also updated daily \) , shuttle elements , documentation software also available via anonymous ftp archive afit af mil \( 129 92 1 66 \) directory pub space sts 55 1 93 27 93117 00000 0 3 0 63 2 28 259 259 61 15 201 dr ts kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso afit af mil air force institute technology
center policy research cpr igc apc org subject arab h r assoc , nazareth nf id n cdp 000 1980 nf cdp uucp ! cpr may 24 13 13 00 1993 lines 57 center policy research cpr subject arab h r assoc , nazareth arab association human rights p box 215 nazareth , israel phone \( 972 \) 6 fax \( 972 \) 6 arab association human rights \( \) formed 1988 address discriminatory practices human rights abuses israel palestinian citizens unique association concerned civil , political , economic , social cultural rights palestinian national minority israel among issues concern land confiscation , education , prison conditions , unemployment , torture unequal allocation israel 's resources today around 800 , 000 palestinian arabs living within green line \( pre 1967 borders israel \) , 18 israel 's citizens empty citizenship system geared exclusively needs jewish population legally practically , israel proclaimed jewish state early promises equality non jewish citizens fulfilled apparent many areas strongly affecting palestinian national minority arab agricultural land confiscated since 1948 arab sector vastly receive fair share state resources day day level , palestinians face discrimination many different forms find struggle get permission build house , start business , find job educate children activities monitoring civil , economic , cultural human rights abuses palestinians within green line taking carefully selected test cases court providing legal advice assistance lawyers occupied territories educating palestinian public rights methods conducting public campaigns local international levels researching publishing pertinent publications
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject without justice n't last last opportunity peace nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 53 article 285 ulowell ulowell edu cs ulowell edu \( shi \) writes article 1993apr30 nuscc nus sg nusunix1 nus sg \( ram \) writes parties back negotiating table , stakes see indeed high future stability region perhaps world balance israel continues refuse talk plo , labelling terrorist organisation , window opportunity peace narrowing day present talks allowed without agreement long term lasting peace taken account interest involved , chances peace indeed plo , decision talks , reputation success talks longer talks continue , started 1 half years ago , without tangible progress , plo support territories land peace agreement reached , real soon , chances comprehensive peace treaty good arabs , , recognise israel 's right exist inside secure borders , isreal would turn recognise legitimate right palestinians self statehood peace guarantee air tight treaties , region hope dwell economic social well population , rather prepare next war ram see right , position influence enjoyed parties favoring negotiation process tenuous best local elections hebron plo expected win \( perhaps adding bit position legitimacy eyes palestinians middle east \) disrupted hamas actions overtly directed towards undermining \( west bank \) elections present ruling israeli labor coalition seems one rather thin political ice palestinian delegation reduced 14 three protest israel lack seriousness talks refusal reverse deportations immediately hopefully , however , parties begin learn fact negotiations taking place mean giving anything away side \( favorite argument \) let 's hope discusion inevitable disagreement major issues leads time agreement smaller interim \( phase , whatever term prefer \) steps taken tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization mary ellen carter salvage crew reply strnlght netcom com 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 19 31 22 gmt netcom com nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 46 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) brings issue escrow agent paid , fact government financial leverage n't cooperate 's important issue , especially one escrow agents decides 'd rather stop offering service assume escrow agent n't government , contract providing escrow service would include termination clause like returning keys easiest way user fee clipper chip manufactured makes funding separate government 's user paying fees , 's service \? user government , funding 's separate government user buyer , 's service \? keeping key \? thanks n't need , wo n't buy service ! telling everybody key \? sounds like blackmail ! user manufacturer , user choice buying \? alternative generate key escrow , fine 'd certainly pay kind key escrowed key ! face , escrow provider providing service users n't want people want government , users 're really talking either government paying service , front per year , either general taxes , special direct tax wiretap chips , indirect tax \( forcing manufacturer pay fee escrow agent \) hope escrow people way finding name serial number , especially escrow government agency new jersey , lots people willing provide sort services user fees people willing keep store burning small monthly fee , though sometimes people refuse pay discover service really effective go baseball game yankee stadium , people watch car parking lot small user fee something could scratch paint , shame clipper key got ! pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject get keys organization bell laboratories lines 43 article dockmaster ncsc mil , grant dockmaster ncsc mil \( lynn r grant \) writes 50 people far asked , fbi gets clipper keys , wo n't able read future past traffic \? response nist , nsa , ms denning , mr hellman , anyone else might able give us authoritative answer troubling n't nsa think \? feature , thought would n't notice \? would thought would responded something form , well , wo n't problem posted good partial solution problem comp risks 'll present variant instead , since feel 's bit stronger likely attempts cheat depends protocol 's followed reading traffic briefly , cops get wiretap warrant , record call notice encryption disclosure header , along copy warrant , sent fbi , whoever holds family key f holder decrypts header , sends serial number n encrypted session key u k escrow agents , turn , use u1 u2 recover k , send local police note solves problem wiretapping forever neither cops fbi ever see u , ca n't read traffic every request must validated fbi escrow agents cops fbi together ca n't cheat , since n't u \( regard likely folks might try beat system 's prevent modified 's scheme \) escrow agents ca n't read conversation , since n't n u k police n't even see n 's harder see block decryption old , , wiretaps one protection persuade escrow agents call current 's nearly strong approaches see might work , involving sequences data medium , complete cryptographic protection insertion onto new medium n't anything yet n't complex comfort , hard install real world nsa might answer may may smarter , 've working week , 've years
fierro uts amdahl com \( doug fierro \) subject clinton professionals review reform options organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 28 article life ai mit edu clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) writes white house office communications immediate release contact bob thursday , april 22 , 1993 phone 202 456 health professionals review clinton proposal develops many mds list enough opinion doug doug fierro uts system software case tools development fierro uts amdahl com \( 408 \) 746
trentu ca \( ben wolfe \) subject hardware fits mail order news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization trent computing telecommunications department distribution usa lines 26 article 0 unix1 andrew cmu edu , christopher bruce andrew cmu edu writes ordered external floppy drive 2 years ago placed order , said stock would ship next day week passed drive called said stock drive ship 2 weeks since needed drive right away \( internal hard drive floppy dead \) cancelled order n't dealt since chris andrew cmu edu unpleasant experience hardware 's shi featured repeated lies things shipped , salesperson totally ignorant selling , charge duties specifically assured payable monitor \( house brand 2 page monochrome \) piece junk ever misfortune experience world electronics shipped back refunded money , still cost something 200 long distance charges , non taxes duties lost time n't deal
anwar mohammed cs cmu edu subject news missed organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 276 optima cs arizona edu nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply optima cs arizona edu articles topic rtw 12 23 gulf arabs demand iran withdrawal islands \( eds updates end summit details , quotes \) abu , dec 23 , reuter gulf arab states , emerging summit restored unity almost three months crisis , piled pressure iran wednesday reverse virtual annexation strategic gulf island issued statement three day gulf cooperation council summit saying iran show proof good intentions measures rocked gulf stability security leaders avoided anti iranian rhetoric recent statements egypt , engineered last minute settlement border row saudi arabia qatar allowed members attend summit egypt said fears iranian intentions region tehran 's alleged encouragement moslem fundamentalist unrest largely behind president mubarak 's gcc statement stressed developing relations gulf arab states iran linked confidence measures iran might take line commitment principle good respect territorial integrity region 's states denounced iran 's measures island abu musa , shares united arab emirates , continued occupation greater lesser islands iran earlier year extended control abu musa beyond small garrison established 1971 agreement uae since rescinded orders expelling foreigners worked island uae government diplomats say continues exercise authority whole island , uae virtual annexation occupied former shah iran 1971 uae since abu musa crisis erupted insisted returned part general settlement gcc leaders called u n maintain sanctions iraq fully implementing security council resolutions following 1990 invasion kuwait endorsed damascus declaration , pact signed egypt syria troops took part u led alliance drove iraqi troops kuwait delegates said leaders unable agree details fund announced would create last summit kuwait last year would helped egypt 's syria 's economic development programme said leaders could agree breakdown contributions state although total amount scaled 6 billion 10 billion agreed last year fact leaders gcc states saudi arabia , bahrain , kuwait , oman qatar attended summit seen major achievement although unity maintained outside help worried moment slow progress conservative rulers discussions future security structure region boasts bulk global oil gas reserves leaders unable choose two proposals one put forward summit committee headed oman 's sultan create 100 , 000 man rapid deployment force could rush defend member external aggression , iraq 's invasion kuwait another saudi supported plan expand existing 10 , 000 man peninsula shield force far played largely symbolic role commanded saudi general little made plans common market although summit called concrete proposals submitted next year 's summit due held saudi arabia next december reuter ya rtw 12 23 gulf leaders end summit abu , dec 23 , reuter gulf arab states ended three day annual summit wednesday appeal iran end occupation three strategic gulf islands condition restoring friendly ties across gulf joint statement issued summit , marked relief settlement row two gulf cooperation council members , also called continued u n sanctions iraq said baghdad failed implement key security council decisions following expulsion troops kuwait early last year summit broke new ground steps achieve gulf common market , called officials present plan common external six members next summit held saudi arabia december 1993 statement stressed developing relations gulf arab states iran linked confidence measures iran might take line commitment principle good respect territorial integrity region 's states denounced iran 's measures island abu musa , shares united arab emirates , continued occupation smaller islands , greater lesser expressed deep regret extreme concern unjustified iranian measures contradict proclaimed wish develop relations called iran rescind measures end occupation said shaking peace stability area iran earlier year extended control abu musa beyond small garrison established 1971 agreement uae since rescinded orders expelling foreigners worked island uae government diplomats region say security forces continue exercise authority whole island uae seen virtual annexation occupied former shah iran 1971 uae since abu musa crisis erupted insisted returned part general settlement reuter ya rtw 12 26 1441 iran hints ready go war islands \( eds updates snsc statement \) nicosia , dec 26 , reuter iran told gulf arab neighbours saturday ready defend militarily three disputed islands , reminding eight year war iraq eight year defence \( 1980 88 iran iraq war \) proved world brave nation never hesitate defend sovereignty safeguard territorial integrity iran , iran 's supreme national security council \( snsc \) said meeting heads six nation gulf cooperation council voiced full support wednesday united arab emirates \( uae \) dispute iran gulf islands abu musa , greater lesser move triggered strong iranian criticism warnings besides uae , gcc also groups bahrain , kuwait , oman , qatar saudi arabia iranian president , snsc 's meeting saturday , said friday prayer sermon tehran university iran surely stronger likes reach islands one cross sea blood snsc , quoted official iranian news agency received cyprus , also criticised gcc described support uae irresponsible country ever able even inch iranian soil , said snsc earlier saturday , english language tehran times , believed close foreign ministry , said uae aware iran 's self restraint certain limits dismissed uae claim islands unfounded said 1971 agreement share abu musa uae still applied idea abu officials tehran would always refrain responding blows inflicted childish , tehran times said said newspaper commenting gcc statement urged iran reverse says annexation abu musa island pull two islands iran says islands near entrance gulf historically belonged dispute flared year iran tightened control abu musa reuter af rtw 12 28 tehran paper wants iran revive claim bahrain tehran , dec 28 , reuter radical iranian newspapers , angered gulf arab claims three disputed islands , hitting back demands tehran revive claim bahrain consider improving ties iraq president senior officials strongly condemned statement last week leaders gulf cooperation council \( gcc \) backing united arab emirates \( uae \) dispute iran gulf islands newspapers salam demanded tehran go resolve defend sovereignty islands abu musa , greater lesser clear sheikh bahrain joined others , said gcc groups bahrain , kuwait , oman , qatar , saudi arabia uae historical records criterion , sheikh bahrain go business rule iranian people bahrain , belonged iran 1970 , established , paper said fitting foreign ministry raise question iran 's sovereignty bahrain start serious effective drive end separation bahrain iran , added late shah iran iran 's claim bahrain 1970 , year island became independent state iranian leaders since 1979 islamic revolution carefully avoided raising bahrain issue although occasionally brought press periods tension conservative arab states across gulf salam newspaper said gcc stand showed policy pro western gulf arab rulers matter much smile southern coast persian gulf , united states west speak last word , said \( \) nobody , salam said , adding iran revise policy towards neighbours , especially former war enemy iraq disregarding logical potential expanding ties iraq going along saudi backed trends among iraqi opposition played role formation current situation , paper said ties iran iraq , fought war 1980 1988 , improved briefly iraq invaded kuwait 1990 tehran , denounced invasion remained neutral ensuing war , called president saddam hussein 's overthrow suppressed shi'ite moslem revolt swept southern iraq 1991 defeat kuwait reuter mz
aaron binah cc brandeis edu \( scott aaron \) subject hate sin reply aaron binah cc brandeis edu organization brandeis university lines 46 article may 12 04 27 07 1993 athos rutgers edu , scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , often context discussions christianity homosexuality context really n't important question whether statement consistent christianity would think hate begets hate , never love consider sin 'll leave unnamed since n't want digress argument whether something sin lets apply hate sin philosophy see happens truly hate sin , see , stronger hatred become eventually hate becomes strong become disgusted sinner eventually come hate sinner addition , hatred sin often causes us say things taken personally sinner \( often even believe sin \) enough , sinner begins hate us \( certainly n't love us constant criticism behavior \) hate builds drives people away god certainly cannot good way build love n't agree , speak good friend whose lifestyle sinful hate things others \? yes hate \? absolutely fact , tells repeatedly best friend world care much despite fact hate lives life 's easy fall progression describe 've felt friend important part christianity 've overlooked makes possible love sin hate sinner look someone else 's life sin , look disgusted see see others , probably self righteousness contradictory christianity makes progression describe happen christian truthfully quote paul say , man ! romans 7 24 \( nasb \) , christian able love sinner hate sin attitude said , thank thee like men luke 18 11 \( nasb \) , hate scott brandeis god demonstrates lord bless , keep love us , lord make face shine , yet sinners , gracious christ died us lord lift countenance , give peace romans 5 8 nasb numbers 6 24 26 nasb
belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( belville \) subject circuit list \( locations \) organization drexel university , philadelphia lines 73 list get combing one day drexel completely board circuits pretty easy done novice basically stuff could prove useful without sit either design buy stuff \( good word , i'm tired right \) hope enjoy ! additions send 'll add list n't particular magazine , interesting ! radio electronics year month page article name discription 92 april 31 car audio amplifier \( 270 watts \) may 41 midi light controller \( light control music input \) 47 solid state relay 50 digital altimeter june 53 electronic thermostat 91 audio sweep marker generator \( frequency response \) april 43 line power 12 volts \( 12 vdc 110 vac \) \( 40 watts \) june 39 electronic compass august 55 speaker protector sept 33 solid state tesla coil oct 39 vocal effects mixer nov 58 music hold \( play music someone hold phone \) dec 47 thd 53 battery tool 63 electronic fuse 90 jan 35 acoustic field generator 45 phone activated audio circuit feb 31 frequency probe 37 radar detector tester march 31 universal laboratory power supply april 33 morse detector 43 capacitance adaptor \( capacitance add dmm \) 46 solid state wiper control may 37 universal \( tv \) july 31 digital dashboard \( car \) august 41 digital pressure gauge sept 33 vocal stripper \( take away music \) oct 37 rocket altimeter \( model rockets \) dec 33 frequency counter 89 jan 55 carrier current audio transmitter \( audio house 's wiring \) 62 plasma display globe 70 advanced control system feb 55 carrier current receiver march 51 hi fi audio amp house car \( high power \) may 41 r extender \( extender infra red remotes \) july 31 light beam communication 38 digital capacitance meter nov 39 r c decade box 43 digital compass dec 37 programmable property guard 88 july 41 l c meter part 1 august 50 l c meter part 2 87 nov 107 electronic lock 86 sept 41 stun gun june 55 click pop filter stereo \( removes clicks pops play old lps \) could see , order circuit kits , finished unfinished order parts ca n't get normal store andy belville 's taken long time , 've belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu fallen love beautiful woman
mdavis crash cts com \( morgan davis \) subject iici rom offers 32 bit clean rom iix organization cts network services \( crash , ctsnet \) , el cajon , ca lines 17 last week 's macweek article ford indicated david ramsey 's mac iix running nicely mac iici rom , offering clean 32 bit rom code \( liberating iix virtual memory nightmare caused apple 's 32 bit system enabler \) anyone know source roms \? okay resell rom chips used machines \? know copies cannot made , seems would okay resell original used rom \( , used computer involves sale rom anyway , 's difference \? \) needless say , i'm interested purchasing rom would reasonably price offer \? morgan davis group \( 619 670 \) internet mdavis crash cts com
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization texas instruments inc lines 20 1993apr28 lambda msfc nasa gov bday lambda msfc nasa gov \( brian day \) writes rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload hst really much heavier spacelab \? \? \? ca n't speak sheer mass , part problem hst n't built ever brought back 's built kinds forces support cradle \( additional weight would required insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
lbl gov \( brian v smith \) subject xfig 2 hp ux 9 01 \? organization lbl lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host 128 3 12 123 article elroy jpl nasa gov , urban \( michael p urban \) writes compiled xfig 2 1 patchlevel 7 hp 's x11r5 hp ux 9 01 , augmented athena mu libraries x11r5 distribution ecn uiowa edu compiles nicely \( although one file preprocessor macro definition table size needed increased \) executed , nothing happens except ever growing memory requirements \( eventually core dump \) binary identical program , compiled 8 07 x11r4 , problems programs like compile , link , run fine libraries sound familiar , going figure one \? please see post made yesterday \( may 10 \) fixes problem posted comp windows x apps brian v smith \( lbl gov \) lawrence berkeley laboratory n't speak lbl n't pay enough
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 61 distribution world nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 8mo fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes quite different saying employing force people immoral , period unfortunately , time time obliged immoral thing reasons self preservation , bear moral consequences since statements , intents purposes , say effectively thing , serious \? two statements , one says use force given situation moral , says moral say effectively thing \? yes , tag unfortunately , , intents purposes saying thing delete unfortunately tell two statement say effectively thing save everyone couple trips round loop , please notice obliged use force preserve self choose preserve self , point pacifism k , got concede point , though word obliged strongly implies one must sometimes use force would give distinction mention , however right , pacifist would even go say , unfortunately , etc would say two statements , one saying x moral saying x immoral \? would decided two statements x moral x immoral actually conflict , say effectively thing prescribe one pretty good indicator case n't prescribe things , yes , fair enough , though confuse things saying one obliged real meaning one never obliged lead one precisely thing , either statements doublespeak , none might lead thing , difference motivates pacifism obviously n't lead pacifists thing 's true could formulate pragmatic belief minimum force still pacifist minimum 0 , great one always trying get close 0 force possible belief immoral , , still tending pacifism n't think use force immoral , minimise use \? n't think immoral , period frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
st nepean uws edu au \( daniel \) subject fast polygon routines needed organization university western sydney , nepean x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 16 looking fast polygon routines \( shaded texture mapped \) asm \( compile \) turbo pascal \( compile \) able run 286 , look super fast 286 , must look good 386 anyone code could please mail tell got thanks advance daniel genius one step away university western sydney , nepean insanity ! aarnet internet st nepean edu au , already !
subject phigs user group conference hamlin ug eds com \( griff hamlin \) reply hamlin ug eds com \( griff hamlin \) distribution world organization eds , cypress ca nntp posting host 134 244 15 158 lines 173 first annual phigs user group conference first annual phigs user group conference held march 21 24 orlando , florida conference organized design research center co operation ieee sig graph attendees came five countries three con good cross section phigs community represented conference participants including phigs users , workstation vendors , third party phigs implementors , stan committee members , researchers industry academia opening speaker , dr richard puk , challenged phigs users take charge phigs participating phigs standardization activities communicating needs phigs implementors closing speaker , dr van dam , described vision future graphics standards beyond phigs technical paper sessions conference covered following topics phigs x , application toolkits , application issues , texture mapping , nurbs , phigs extensions , object oriented libraries frameworks panel sessions phigs pex , phigs non retained data , real world cad applications using phigs , portability issues generated enthusiastic discussions formed good forum exchange ideas , needs , experiences conference also included day full tutorials topics rang ing mathematics 3d graphics object oriented tools based phigs next year 's conference planned march , 1994 phigs everywhere conference , phigs vendors described demonstrated phigs products run types computers , pcs mainframes megatek corporation demonstrated phigs extensions including conditional traversal , composite logical input devices , template graphics software launched figaro pro , photo realistic option phigs figaro pro designed add advanced rendering existing phigs api , features like ray tracing , materials , anti aliasing texture mapping radiosity support also planned figaro example continues add newly emerging graphics features products figaro supports immediate mode extensions phigs also supports sun xgl , hp starbase sgi gl opengl figaro nt released summer also demonstrated latest versions , powerful 2 call system based phigs , , object oriented utility library phigs pex developers g5g software demonstrated new version gphigs silicon graphics workstations scheduled summer , 1993 , ver sion 3 0 gphigs , company 's phigs library tions , include advanced phigs debugger allows phigs developers display browse phigs structures phigs internal state g5g also described non duplicated data store stores pointers application data gphigs css efficient use memory addition , g5g described application allows application callback functions gphigs traversal gphigs , g5g 's data visual application development toolkit , currently available major workstations support gl , x windows , pex , starbase wise software presented slide show z phigs ms windows arena , phigs based modeller render z phigs implements phigs primitives addition z phigs built many advanced rendering features like texture mapping , shadow tion , area quick updates ray tracing demo disk z phigs arena available request atc exhibited grafpak phigs , full featured phigs based dec phigs grafpak phigs available workstation platforms c , fortran ada bindings pex support within booth sponsored advanced technology center , digital equipment corporation demonstrated dec phigs v2 4 running dec 3000 400 axp pxg grafpak phigs port dec phigs dec phigs v2 4 contains phigs phigs plus features support pex v5 1 protocol dec phigs also contains gm eds phigs extensions including post view well proprietary extensions support immediate mode rendering use phigs x11 environment axp , dec , dec phigs trademarks digital equipment cor grafpak phigs atc trademarks advanced tech center pex x11 trademarks massachusetts technology ibm exhibit featured gto accelerator attached ibm 340 workstation running graphigs pex hewlett packard demonstrated conference hewlett packard machine coupled display pex terminal hp latest phigs product enhance ments phigs user group phigs users group formed aid development phigs applications provide user feedback phigs implementors phigs standards bodies information phigs users group , send e mail vt edu write virginia polytechnic institute 114 randolph hall blacksburg , va fax 703 231 9100 vendor contacts megatek corporation tel \( 619 \) 455 fax \( 619 \) 453 template graphics software tel \( 800 \) 544 4847 fax \( 619 \) 452 wise software gmbh tel 49 451 413 fax 49 451 499 g5g north american sales tel \( 800 \) 267 2626 fax \( 613 \) 592 advanced technology center tel \( 800 \) 999 fax \( 714 \) 583 digital equipment corporation tel \( 603 \) 884 5111 international business machines corporation tel \( 800 \) 426 3333 hewlett packard company tel \( 303 \) 229 copies conference proceedings copies conference proceedings may obtained contact ing mary johnson johnson , mary design manufacturing institute rensselaer polytechnic institute 110 eighth street building cii , room troy , ny 12180 tel \( 518 \) 276 fax \( 518 \) 276 email rdrc rpi edu cost 75 00 per binder
hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) subject egyptian arrested mock threat blow iran 's paris mission reply hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) organization ncsu chem eng lines 27 copyright 1993 france france headline egyptian arrested mock threat blow iran 's paris mission paris body paris , april 16 \( afp \) egyptian man held police bay several hours outside iranian embassy , threatening blow building protest terrorism fundamentalism man thirties , identified egyptian national , displayed banner outside embassy gate said possession several sticks dynamite threatened set later quietly police blocked neighborhood , saying wanted attract media attention dangers islamic fundamentalism
joule elee calpoly edu \( dixon ly \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization cal poly , san luis obispo distribution usa lines 50 article news duke edu kdb acpub duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes rick schaut \( richs microsoft com \) wrote article news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes agree one ever definitively met challenge batted around semantics oh well , guess things turn expected hmmm gave two examples matched objective criteria , response subjective claptrap never counter fact examples fit objective criteria repeat \? mentioned tried present innovative , new concept brought market \? efficient basic \? basic existed , efficiency original either ole \? new concept bring \? document oriented computing \? mac msw simply n't made point burden proof upon exact challenge new computing concept ms brought market first \? nothing , nothing less explain examples fit criterion hmm anyone us computer geeks \( included \) ever consider limited software hardware true , ms products boast features ms invented , many products vendors truely innovative continuing development \? think makes ms special public thier innovative pricing true xwindows mac next feature \( \) thier gui better ms people like ca n't afford true apple lower pricing low end models low end system 7 better operating system , machines operate expensive tastes unix platform powerful , tell common user set \( still confused things \) either puke faint u think , low prices aint innovative u come product offers lower cost \( powerful hardware runs compare macs \) ms kinda innovative oh yea , guess fact support products applications make kinda innovative dixon ly joule elee calpoly edu oboe calpoly edu electrical electronic engineering , cal poly slo
yxy4145 ucs usl edu \( yu \) subject one know biggest rom present \? organization univ southwestern la , lafayette lines 3 please replay yxy4145 usl edu thanks lot
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject escrow database nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 12 article inf netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes waco massacre big brother wiretap chip , tactic fair pernicious nonsense ! way david \? government totally control , whether realize know find painful think old buddy uncle sam evil 's true democracies fallen way knee jerk sheep instinctively trust government helping slide power corrupts david , hard understand \?
apryan vax1 tcd ie subject urgent email nasa budget \? lines 13 nntp posting host vax1 tcd ie organization trinity college dublin lines 13 nasa 's annual budget \? year , years back nice need item fast emails top head much appreciated \( faqs vanish ! \) tony ryan , astronomy space , new international magazine , available astronomy ireland , p box 2888 , dublin 1 , ireland 6 issues \( one year sub \) uk 10 00 pounds , us 20 surface \( add us 8 airmail \) access visa mastercard accepted \( give number , expiration date , name address \) \( world's largest astro soc per capita unless know better \? 0 034 \) another notch end april 1993 ! tel 0891 88 1950 \( uk n ireland \) 1550 111 442 \( eire \) cost 48p per min
brownvm brown edu \( \) subject mac modem wanted organization brown university lines 5 nntp posting host brownvm brown edu x news software bnn via bnn post v1 0 beta would like buy cheap modem mac mention would prefer cheap \? 2400 baud preferred , 're looking cheap \( mean cheap \) ca n't e mail oh , i'm seattle , also , would bonus
dale ksc nasa gov \( ed \) subject client 's display variable set \? keywords display , environment organization nasa lines 22 easy \( ie via shell commands \) way tell display environment variable given client process \? sometimes get want typing ps axe client invoked display argument b display one first variables defined environment \( actually 've never seen b 's illustrate type thing i'm looking \) ultimately wish determine number displays simultaneously running given x application system sunos 4 1 2 thanks help , ed harris space systems corporation hssc ksc nasa gov
diederic spot colorado edu \( andrew diederich \) subject truth waco nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution usa lines 30 article \( dan hartung \) writes endless remarks davidians could surrendered deleted lived quiet , religious life claimed , would raid , siege , deaths instead , chose courses action every turn least stupid , irrational first stockpile weapons second shoot federal agents third stay inside quiet would deaths \? \? thought thier neighbors said davidians never bothered oh , well , could n't point , n't stockpiling weapons , atf would n't felt threatened move 's newsflash n't illegal one firearm n't even illegal lots firearms shot \? feds shot , staying inside thing \? 's another newsflash sometimes government nasty things n't deserve since nice davidians first time round , see davidians n't surrender easily , especially expecting end world andrew diederich diederic spot colorado edu opinions mine wave watch eyes
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject good jesus died \? organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 31 article 1993apr26 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes baby 's innocence nothing whether baby sinner innocence sin nature two different attributes baby innocent , yet baby sinner two arms two legs \? \? parents \? parents etc anything get \? thing , know arms legs 's therefore generally easy tell whether someone arms legs sinful nature , since require baby actually perform sins , seems totally invisible far know , maybe half babies sinful nature half n't 'd look exactly , since way tell difference born sinners born sinners parents born got nothing earn title sinner get parents , parents , grandparents , etc , infinitum 's bad sinful nature , \? could understand bad always results people committing sins , babies , never commit sins , die , still bad part ca n't merely results people committing sins bad \? first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
mark andrew cmu edu subject ti electronic organizer model organization masters student , materials science engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 14 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu sorry posted wrong place , n't sure go model 64k memory , storage telephone numbers , addresses , memos , schedule , calendar , calculator password protection , 6 line display , full keyboard , 32 characters per line search data storage areas keywords , transmit receive entries via ibm compatible computers optional interface kit uses 2 aaa batteries , 1 lithium battery backup also world time , sound , still 1 year service merchandise warranty left , manual sells new 90 , asking 65 \( shipping included \) e mail andrew cmu edu
khalid bunce hw stratus com \( khalid chishti \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization stratus computer , inc lines 72 nntp posting host bunce hw stratus com look nobody asked countries un forces ground take forces ineffective first place let whoever willing job takes anyone defend stinking un force ground let pm yanked un vehicle shot serbian military \? anyone defend un force watching shelling cities towns everyday \? anyone defend say stinking un forces effective bosnian almost 14 , 000 children casualties 5 14 age groups \? think talking current un forces bosnian muslims insult casualties think senator biden said said issue europe sad place criticize human rights anywhere world like biden said , bigots comes cultural difference closer home get rid minorities long long time ago starting 15th centuries let take care rest 20th century much naughty expected dared step many toes , spoil good thing serbs today thinking yesterday c akgun infact tuesday , bosnian foreign minister asked formally un leave bosnia , show much europe called un actually helping serbs carry murders rapes zepa un effectively helped serbs carry heinous crimes spreading conflicting reports nothing going cowards , called un peacemakers , attempted go fact finding mission ham radio operators lying us war planes means flying biggest farce history world act repeated different bosnian towns yes ! heard today president bosnia pressure civilized nations appealed un stay bosnia know better \( sadly ! includes clinton administration \) came said call referendum bosnian serbian \( bunch rapists criminals \) farce yet wait result referendum act us commit ground troops , fine lift arms embargo sides \( since know serbs always got heavy weapons form federal army \) wake west ! ! admit uncivilized , violent bunch earth khalid disclaimer opinions nothing employers
brenda eng sun com \( brenda bowden \) subject feverfew migraines organization sun lines 13 nntp posting host heard short blurb news yesterday herb called feverfew \( \? \) say good preventing migraines think news said two double blind studies found effective anyone know studies \? experience feverfew \? i'm skeptical , open trying find feverfew , much would take prevent migraines \( good idea , \) \? known risks side effects feverfew \? thanks advance info ! brenda
cleveland freenet edu \( richard l \) subject caps moving \? \? \? \? \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 16 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu would want move caps , think owns cap centre know n't sell games , draw lot bullets situation abe , would move guaranteed anyone went games would park stadium , nothing within half mile , recent construction area win game ot rich 've read hat , see movie imus morning blurb \? 're blurb ! seinfeld
cse unsw edu au \( w austin \) subject anti aliasing raytracing question nntp posting host rouge spectrum cs unsw oz au reply cse unsw edu au \( w austin \) organization none lines 20 article dl ac uk g coulter daresbury ac uk writes hi everyone someone could answer simple query raytracing anti aliasing stuff deleted similiar question relating anti friend asked posted knowledgable group i'm sorry faq anti methods persistance vision polyray use \? thank advance either email reply \( flame faq \) \)
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject doctrine original sin organization indiana university lines 15 article may 11 02 38 18 1993 athos rutgers edu adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com writes 2 samuel 12 21 23 \( rsv \) anyhow , many interpret mean child gone heaven \( david someday go \) n't claim know sure applies babies even 's one , would say \? brings interesting question interpretation correct , would people getting heaven jesus opened gates heaven \? steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject pgp ideas ibm systems nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 11 've thinking difficult would make pgp available form ebcdic machines message authentication would ugly , think least idea encryption could work , pgp switch tell use idea ofb mode ecb mode ofb mode , errors translating ebcdic ascii ebcdic would affect byte , 16 bytes would affected cbc pgp set use different idea modes \? n't recall executable , n't gone carefully probably john kelsey
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! distribution world organization stephen f austin state university lines 20 article clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes tend agree , would like better explanation fbi stopped gate saw realtime concerns fbi appeared interested stopping fire started , actually started flying around compound , add small part winds driving fire jim understand fire trucks site several weeks sent home three four days assault anyone confirm \? joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu \( jason 'think ! ' steiner \) nntp posting host jupiter cse utoledo edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 15 go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? upon time , 's exactly would done everyone could gone living peaceful \( well armed \) life makes people think right leave others \? jason ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` ` , ` innocence , joy , fun everyone toys ` , ` ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu ` , ` , ` , `
dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) subject 1 0 part 1 2 keywords animation xview raster nntp posting host ioas09 ast cam ac uk reply dcr mail ast cam ac uk organization institute astronomy , cambridge lines 699 well , thanks largely subscribers group , 's 1 0 , animation package started 3 weeks ago number solutions provided discussions incorporated code , look ! full blurb posted comp windows x announce post two parts unpack source code , extract articles \( example \) use text editor remove leading trailing text cut markers \( including markers \) next type cat file , uudecode file 0 tar z tar xvf read readme file instructions proceed enjoy ! derek p source also available anon ftp export lcs mit edu contrib directory enough demand , static binary provided without xview libraries include files derek c richardson tel \( 0223 \) 337548 x 37501 institute astronomy fax \( 0223 \) 337523 cambridge , u k cb3 0ha e mail dcr mail ast cam ac uk cut begin 644 0 tar z 2 f4 , 5s h ' g 4 ho c ! d' m8 b1 \) 4 7 , v 0b c \) \( 6w f \) , \? 0 \( , c2 \) , j7 jt pl 3 apr ! , h6 0d 8 bm 6 d1 \) \) , , 6 \? b c \) 9 7r w nwk , a0 \( 0 ! \) 8 6 4 ! l9 fs ! t0 2 2 p 0 2 , x 0 \( 1 2 '3 ! 8 9p 04 , ' ! \( ha 6 tr , 1 s1 t8 \? zf 23 , rrg m3 ! , x0 4 3 \( \) ! 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minyos xx rmit oz au \( evans \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization royal melbourne institute technology lines 20 nntp posting host minyos xx rmit oz au ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com joke \? evans domain minyos xx rmit oz au really wanna know tell 'em god drunk
gotsman csa technion ac il \( craig gotsman \) subject computer graphics studies technion reply gotsman csa technion ac il \( craig gotsman \) organization technion , israel inst technology lines 23 technion israel institute technology department computer science graduate studies computer graphics applications invited graduate students wishing specialize computer graphics related fields active research conducted fields image rendering , geometric modelling computer animation state art graphics workstations \( sun , silicon graphics \) video equipment available technion offers full scholarship support \( tuition \) suitable candidates information contact dr craig gotsman computer science technion israel institute technology haifa , israel gotsman cs technion ac il
bryan jpl devvax jpl nasa gov \( bryan l allen \) subject new encryption algorithm summary boundaries eye beholder keywords nsa surveillance \( \) organization telos corp , jet propulsion laboratory \( nasa \) lines 25 article 49 shockwave win net jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) writes article 1raeir be1 access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes deleted unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace bruce book , way read , one side conversation must outside united states , ass u nsa plays rules one thing seems ambiguous whether signal echoed geosynchronous orbit outside united states also , able assess whether nsa playing rules requires knowing rules know subset even suspicious , could surveillance organizations nsa bryan l allen bryan devvax jpl nasa gov telos corp jpl \( 818 \) 306 6425
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject inimitable rushdie organization sgi lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr19 3133 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes jkj fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes understanding uk blasphemy laws \( yes , exist uk , although little used \) apply anglican christianity fit claim state religion uk \? n't ask approx two million british muslims break five times day never ever prosecuted \? ask easy hold christian church service saudi arabia jon
nosubdomain nodomain \( grace yeh \) subject car sale '91 vw corrado organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 30 i'm posting friend , e mail questions cc bellcore com however , best way get questions answered call phone number listed sale 1991 volkswagon corrado 2 2 coupe low mileage approx 28 , 000 miles 5 speed manual 7 speaker factory stereo system new weather 205 sun roof ac red speed activated extra set tires equipped factory winter package heated seats , mirrors alpine security system 2 remotes records documentation , service pampered car , mint condition must sacrifice 11 , 000 best offer call \( 908 \) 821
array com \( ken murphy \) subject death 2 stroke die \? organization array microsystems , colorado springs , co usa lines 39 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 zebee \( zebee wattle itd adelaide edu au \) wrote read far rev idle like \? water fuel acceptable \? sound like pilot circuit say lean clogged n't think water would cause problem like , \? apparently oil pump job , plenty oil seize \? see chance stuck \? two stroke \( substantial \) lubrication giving bike gas lean pilot , 's stuck oh , btw motor rebuilt left adelaide , done 1600 miles blew rebuilt seized time got , looked like seizure happened low mileage , still marks bore rebuild consisted total tear , new piston , rings , small end bearing , new gearbox bearings big end rod judged ok ideas folks \? mentioned aftermarket carb \? \( deleted text \) looks like \( \) 's problem zebee dod 605 n't italian motorcycle
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject uva organization university virginia lines 21 things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools study importantly learn lot overall uva drug use actually lower average college u hate law books even though \( forces pc \) tried one last year \( way similar law university wisconsin \? found unconstitutional last year \) law relationship professors students passed thomas jefferson sole author virginia statute religious freedom \( basis first ten amendments \) , though given full credit righting bill rights someone picked right way , 're man everything sports academics partying i'm sure lot schools good well , n't start mailing junk i'm happy maybe 'll go one medical schools couple years
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 29 jeffrey l cook sez object would interfere anyone 's enjoyment night sky \( would invisible night \) , would significant impact astronomical observations suspect must kind underlying agenda coming surface , spite , people quick denounce condemn something would demonstrate strength western capitalism lazlo sez buying paving ground glass would also demonstrate strength western capitalism , n't make particularly attractive idea country reduced \? planetary equivalent guy gets penis parties \? actually , paving ground glass would n't demonstrate strength western capitalism , since 's strength depends use mind materials fulfillment needs desires mind , i'm saying one would benefit land , n't think anyone would actually pay , unlike \( potential \) n't quite follow part someone exposing genitals parties , got chuckle anyway thought strange friends \) tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk communicated communists , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm pacified pacifists
tedwards eng umd edu \( thomas grant edwards \) subject need info waco , machineguns organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 23 nntp posting host src umd edu really sad op ed appeared school 's today claimed full auto weapons illegal u understand full auto weapons made registered may 19 , 1986 still legal 40 50 states texas one states \? anyone point source info many people killed legal full auto weapons u \? finally , think would great anyone keeping digest facts waco incident particular , would like source fbi batf mentioning supposed lab , information beginning raid , specifically batf lies also interested past batf knock lead personal property damage innocent citizens intend put together reply op ed soon author piece states wants work batf ! thomas
nswc wo navy mil \( paul montanaro \) subject cd300 question organization nswc lines 26 article h01sav dsyibm desy de michael desy de , h01sav dsyibm desy de \( michael savitski \) wrote hi , ! mac lc consider buying cd300 've told , however , 1 double speed cd300 achievable machines scsi 2 2 double speed prerequisite photocd multisession capability , need 3 means seem gain nothing compared , say cd150 comments \? thanx source wrong double speed cd300 still slow compared typical hard disk lc easily handle scsi transfer rate cd300 none current macs , even quadras , support scsi 2 unless get scsi 2 nubus card n't double speed use photocd 's faster reading images disk think cd150 handle photocd , single session cd300 multisession photocd paul
cas org \( larry w virden \) subject looking patches xv better support tiff output reply lvirden cas org \( larry w virden \) organization software shoe , uninc lines 16 recently found tiff manipulation packages recognize tiff files output xv due missing tag apparently required \( least believed required \) valid tiff checked xv 2 x xv 3 x neither indeed copy tags anyone hacked fixes xv support tags \? told could find code tiff tools c , directory one many tiff group distributed xv hope obtain original tiff src look , would prefer find code already known work xv larry w virden inet lvirden cas org personal 674 falls place , , oh
gomer pitt edu \( richard j coyle \) subject goodbye , good riddance , get lost 'stars organization university pittsburgh lines 17 article 1993apr21 julian uwo ca kirk gaul csd uwo ca \( andrew kirk \) writes losers like us \? fucking moron never heard western business school , university western ontario matter n't pull head asshole smell something shit look map see uwo ! back hockey , north stars moved past years shit real team like toronto would never moved ! ! ! heard western business school , university western ontario , 've never even wondered western ontario judging quality posts coming , i'm still sure place exists perhaps impressed , though , since appears grade school children area access internet rick
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject origins bible organization distribution na keywords bible lines 21 article 1993apr19 cs nott ac uk , eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes hi , argument origins bible lately theist acquaintance stated thousands bibles discovered certain point time syllable perfect therefore meant must one copy certain time time quoted approximately 50 years death jesus tell friend publisher 's warehouse one time saw thousands copies joy cooking every one syllable perfect since sold become follower joy cooking incident mentioned convinced , , joy cooking inspired god one true path glory dean kaflowitz may sauce
lz 5f berkeley edu \( ben wong \) subject gt bike , 300 obo apple iie computer extras 400 obo organization university california , berkeley lines 12 distribution ba nntp posting host 5f berkeley edu please reply account posting friend gt bike , chrome frame , blue , alloy parts , z rims , mint condition asking 300 obo apple iie 64k , floppy drive , monitor , okidata 92 printer , modem , 30 disks stuff asking 400 obo call ariel \( 510 \) 881 leave message i'm , reply account posting friend
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization university virginia lines 21 jake bony1 bony com writes article 1993apr25 3411 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes waldo cybernet cse fau edu writes jews suffered wwii , beloved perished tortured suffered humans suffered emotionally , jews many others suffered physically i'm waiting andi tell us african americans start paying compensation white americans suffered slave owners problem language \? said everyone suffered emotionally victims holocaust n't implying anyone suffered actual victims neither implying wrongdoing part jews cause holocaust wrong guys \? regardless one says keep hearing want hear
mats gar \( mats \) subject coda music finale petrucci font problem keywords coda finale music font atm petrucci eps adobe organization gallagher robertson lines 36 've using final coda time , suddenly stopped using fonts 386 pc lots disk space memory , postscript laser , win3 1 , finale 2 0 1 recently installed atm 2 0 've fiddling around windows setup time , needed work finale things n't print properly might might anything installation atm 1 something 2 0 , n't old atm lying around annoying problem petrucci font n't print , rather important font \) managed get direct printing work included 0 finale section win ini , compile postscript listing still n't work 's eps files need look eps files generated font appears courier found manually changed courier 24 point petrucci 24 point eps file everything worked ok , 'd rather avoid since lot songs work yes , special font font names dialog box fonts need listed , correct mapping finale , screen printer fonts finale obviously aware fonts since direct printing score works well \( , included 0 \) , windows applications print petrucci fonts well anyone encountered problems like \? current version finale coda music software \? 2 0 1 people coda available internet x 400 \? 'd grateful hints help mats internet mats gar mats gar mats x 400 g mats oslo p gr c
talavage sage cc purdue edu \( tom talavage \) subject ny mets trivia question organization purdue university computing center distribution na lines 31 article 1993apr23 e2big mko dec com e2big mko dec com \( \) writes article news duke edu simon hercules acpub duke edu writes name three ex met pitchers lost every team majors \( except colorado florida \) two also defeated every team majors \? dan nolan ryan qualifies counts would guess viola one beaten also lost every team majors viola played nl mets possible defeated lost every team ditto tanana mentioned previous post 3rd pitcher lose every team probably tom seaver , could koosman n't remember seaver managed get win white sox brief boston 'd say pitcher defeat every team either mike \( bounced around enough long enough period time \) koosman mentioned would also guess one two manage beat every team manage lose every team tom thomas talavage purdue university , electrical engineering grad student grad school greatest time one 's life pay spent last 16 years becoming good !
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject get keys nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 25 article dockmaster ncsc mil grant dockmaster ncsc mil \( lynn r grant \) writes 50 people far asked , fbi gets clipper keys , wo n't able read future past traffic \? response nist , nsa , ms denning , mr hellman , anyone else might able give us authoritative answer troubling implied first technical posting dorothy denning fbi would decryption law enforcement agencies n't clear post whether would done realtime , whether fbi would decrypt session keys locals , would whole message one thing i'm bit puzzled n't public key scheme sort \? could generate two public private chip , escrow private keys escrow agencies set protocol encrypt session key public keys decrypt message , escrow agencies \( right order , pk schemes \) decrypt escrowed private key way , would n't , police asked fo warrant wiretap , would key john kelsey
toelle uenics evansville edu \( chad toelle \) subject change icon program windows organization university evansville distribution usa lines 10 suppose want change particular icon program windows ms dos one would someone let know \? thanks million chad toelle toelle evansville edu st philip rd mt vernon , uunet ! evansville edu ! toelle \( 812 \) 985
zeus tamu edu \( mr weather \) subject rush read e mail \? organization texas university , academic computing services lines 12 distribution inet nntp posting host zeus tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 henson cc wwu edu \( sean dean \) writes 2 posts deleted 've heard n't read alt fan rush idea compuserve e mail address anyone rush limbaugh 's e mail address \? anyone compuserve might able look otherwise find \? maybe would impossible , thought least ask mr weather zeus tamu edu ken blair
hut fi \( tapani lindgren \) subject des nntp posting host hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 21 article 1993mar31 com mikel com \( mikel \) writes could well use 16 character password perform encryption 64 zero bits one simple method would use first 8 characters encrypt 64 zero bits use remaining 8 characters encrypt result output would still 64 bits 11 ascii characters would n't method vulnerable birthday attack \? currently cracker needs find \( 1 \) key produces given ciphertext try 2 63 keys average proposed method cracker needs pair key halves store 2 32 guesses one half , likely find pair 2 32 guesses \( assumed des encryption reversable , key guessed modifications boxes salt bits make non reversable \? \) 1 probably one key think 1 chance 128 two keys \( anyone verify \? \) , n't help cracker much
lmsc5 lmsc lockheed com subject rock roll cheap organization lockheed missiles space company , inc lines 9 stack records lp 33 early mid groups like beatles , cream , woodstock \( triple album \) etc etc would like get rid would willing sell one whatever resonable offer still original wrapper price tag would like get around 5 call make offer lot could list 'd typing forever call \( 408 \) 296 4444
west esd dl nec com \( mike west \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization engineering support division , nec america , inc lines 25 nntp posting host swan esd dl nec com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 timothy \( timothy lamar colostate edu \) wrote article 1993apr22 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) writes article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu , punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) writes \( 2 \) bonds batting behind williams means matt get good pitches hit important since struggles much breaking balls opposing pitchers n't want walk williams get bonds wonder good hitter behind argument really valid anyone done study want study \? look matt williams year mitchell gone look scientific study , 'll show truth matt besides , bonds wants bat 5th thought williams batted mitchell would n't show williams better 5th rather 4th \? point moot , though , clark pretty much demands 3rd , like point , bonds like bat 5th person left bat 4th williams mike west west esd dl nec com
dewey nmsu edu \( \) subject v 16 organization new mexico state university lines 16 nntp posting host huey nmsu edu probably famous v16 one cadillac made 1925 1935 scale great depression really put crimp luxury cars 452 cubic inches two hundred horse power n't make like used others though packard one 1930 sized legendary twin six , next twenty years lincoln pierce arrow might also one two sure luxury semi luxury cars era least experimented v16 actually produce actually cylinder war among big three see could produce biggest engine big standard disclaimer applies , ca n't think anything
nyx cs du edu \( tony \) subject help needed organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 16 past week 've trying install qic 36 tape drive everex 8bit full size controller 486dx50 eisa system luck end getting error \( \) streaming read part test pretty certain port setting , irq dma set properly since tape responds properly commands , rewind , , write erase , also booted system clean still also tend eliminate memory conflicts suggested bus speed fast need slow system ami bios n't advanced chip setting option seen systems cant going accept set wo n't work \? anyone suggest work around \? glad hear advice suggestions tony
matt consent uucp \( matthew \) subject implementing diffie hellman key exchange keywords diffie hellman encryption des organization unix box , else \? x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 reply matt consent uucp uts edu au lines 21 want add link encryption module upper level routines single data link upper levels wo n't know , thus key exchange shall need occur \( initial link establishment \) figure des diffie hellman key exchange using diffie hellman exchange establish 64 bit des key acceptable , words , pro 's con 's setup \? important issues watch \( aside filtering unacceptable keys \) \? order achieve , guess need use math routines \( probable prime number calculation , etc \) , could someone point towards good package \( strictly non commercial \) matthew matt consent uts edu au 'the power one man seems like small '
kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders nntp posting host sora icd ab com organization allen bradley company , inc lines 47 snip draughn iitmax iit edu \( mark draughn \) writes president competent plan judge planning raid , need job set basic policies manage people clinton instructed reno preserve lives , confirmed plan raid safe could , job president involve minor details kinds operations sort leads disaster , demonstrated well vietnam raid went bad 80 civilians killed u authorities clinton enters picture big way clinton start investigation \? try squash attempt investigate \? responsible leader \? interested protecting image administration \? 'll find unfolds excellent point , mark remember nixon n't tried cover misguided actions subordinates watergate , scandal would never brought presidency far , klinton seems stonewalling way tricky dick whole case seems n't anything wrong however , course investigation turns gov't something wrong , tried cover , 's crime , believe perhaps inadvertently cooking scandal say , little neighbor \? \) ya know , part loyal opposition kinda fun change sure glad get bitch clinton rather one poor stuck trying defend wonder michael likes part establishment \? \) ken whitehead \( kdw odin icd ab com \)
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject waco burning organization grinchco lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes interesting , sometimes , listen u news seen eyes another country b b c world news service , short wave , originating london , reports survivor waco massacre states tank , making hole wall building , knocked kerosene lamp fire started attempts made people inside put fire , spread quickly anyone u heard anything similar u government spin doctors censoring information \? cbs yesterday explanation reasonable enough , fire accidental , n't people get \? b b c news also reporting 20 died british citizens 's true think several group well mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) subject jack morris nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 15 tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes valentine \( , i'm going roger maynard complete total dickhead send e mail insist details \) fact , 's complete total dickhead least 2 newsgroups \( one rec sport hockey \) since hockey season almost , 's back dickhead r bb john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado , boulder franjion spot colorado edu
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject vietnam deja vu organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 8 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes waco bar b q caused remember official explanation vietnam war 90s , liberal version necessary incinerate children order save yet callous incident disregard life call bar b q
gellert trl oz au \( dennis gellert \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) lines 25 organization telecom research article 1993apr23 cti com rlister cti com \( russell lister \) writes rlister cti com \( russell lister \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) date fri , 23 apr 1993 14 01 23 gmt ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) writes microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? microsoft think everyone \? venting steam ! 've seen problem several times always result little rollers inside mouse becomming dirty good collecting solution simple remove ball reveal two rollers carefully clean ball dennis
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 10 hacker ethic go \? hackers 70 's comfortably employed supporting families next generation takes radical lead n't look radicalism among us old ones 're gone grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
mike avon demon co uk \( mike h \) subject clipper chip crypto key esc distribution world organization boring reply mike avon demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 20 article 1993apr21 memex co uk peter memex co uk writes thought quite difficult record modem session intermediate point line maybe taken crash course data comms unit tones stores digital stream decryption later would still suffer called stated , either uk telecom group , approve equipment encryption n't know true , would make good test case peter peter memex co uk forget obvious ! authorised tap done exchange exchange digital suspect auto monitor line pickup full link therefore piggyback modem line would impossible suspect mike h \( mike avon demon co uk \)
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject f cus health big secret organization acme products lines 24 summary blue cross government health care article poly math cor , harelb math cornell edu writes matter logic government run systems inefficient , fact highly private sector system us vastly inefficient therefore irrelevant proof entire private sector vastly inefficient \? , example , relevance blue cross massachusetts employs people , employed canada 's health programs , insure 10 times many people blue cross government health insurance provider oops ads z magazine deleted save earth brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization university illinois urbana lines 52 fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) writes article fph cunews carleton ca wcsbeau superior carleton ca \( opirg \) writes n't think idea means think everyone earth subject ad agency 's poor taste abomination \( abomination n loathing odious degrading habit act object disgust \( oxford concise dictionary \) \) maybe n't mind every part life saturated commercials , many us loathe i'm sure sagan considers sacrilegious , would n't doubtfull credibility astronomer modern , ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field opacity distortions caused atmosphere driven field use radio , far infrared space based telescopes case , bright point light passing field n't ruin observations case , thousands existing satellites would already done \( might seem bright eyes , far astronomy concerned , extremely bright \) frank crary cu boulder tell people run 10 meter keck telescope , astronomers engineers working gemini twin 8 meter telescope project took 7 years build keck building keck ii according december 1992 sky telescope , second 10 meter eye convert facility telescope double light gathering power ability resolve headlights car 25 , 000 kilometers away japan 's 8 3 meter subaru telescope soon join keck kea telescopes work infrared , yes , visible light telescopes ! n't heard anything adaptive optics \? lot research done star wars funding , shared astronomers shows great promise soon , probably within years , even largest telescopes able resolve theoretical limit despite distortions atmosphere say visible light astronomy already dying field pure hokum use logic things already bad , n't matter gets worse absurd maybe common sense logic dying fields george krumins pufferfish observatory universe origin gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu two colliding home memorial telescope
rdetweil boi hp com \( richard detweiler \) subject start cardinals mailing list \? distribution usa organization hewlett packard boise printer division keywords cardinal mail lines 21 k would shame cards fans net go 1993 championship season without mailing list talk would willing look starting one except 's one little problem n't know first thing requires terms resources time kind soul could e mail particulars getting starting managing mail list , 'd see would feasible start cards mailing list thanks advance , dick detweiler rdetweil hpdmd48 boi hp com
maridai athos rutgers edu subject traveling fatima \( consecration anniversary \) lines 48 hello like share prayer propagation practice country sure going also us country 4 1 2 yrs 've illinois , usa , encountered may call traveling fatima since n't know exact translation call native language certain regions district town city , image statue lady fatima moved one home \( originating owner \) another stay family one \( 1 \) week family required pray prayers \( prayer sheets accompany image \) lady fatima move like simple procession folks picking image current prayers proceeds move next home prior notification move prayers next home welcome lady fatima image members family home must pray image may invite others \( others friends invite \) \) participate prayer time 'new' home everyday one week image moved one family next within bounded region district , goes back owner image probably going around \( philippines \) right \( somebody correct exactly since forgot \) every year , part devotion lady fatima easy facilitate back home likely next door neighbor catholic image moved next door thinking starting something like village sister family lives friends neighbors catholics practicing ones 'd like know state community laws practice violate , whatsoever , go thank comments help matter marida \( maridai ecs comm mot com \)
isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization u c berkeley math department lines 41 nntp posting host skippy berkeley edu article gerry onion cmu edu gerry cmu edu \( gerry \) writes , knock warrant clear violation 4th amendment okay , fact tipped n't opened fire right \? wrong ! think drug dealer competition wants away call tell feds way knock warrant , sheep wait , guns holstered , instead feds , comes competition , 're history acceptable answer knock warrant blazing guns ! may sound paranoid , government control , killing federal officers make knock sense back hmm police strategy bursting weapons drawn , clearly marked officers yelling police repeatedly used every day bust drug houses idea awe suspects submission surprise display order avoid gun fight knocking , 's sad necessity many cases since suspects attempt escape even fight usually strategy works n't , would n't used commonly , would \? whether appropriate use strategy bd point , since n't think us enough information make clear judgement issue merely point valid strategy used every day furthermore , n't know substitute strategy capable apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects suggest police always knock guns holstered never arrest suspects allowed inspect officers 's badges \? police apprehending potentially dangerous armed suspects \? far reasonably go \? suggest ca n't faked competition \? even 've got deadly enemies may pretend cops , 's excuse murder police case bd 's , almost definitely paranoid delusion deadly would pretend cops isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big
ry01 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert yung \) subject 16550 v 16550a \? \? \? organization lehigh university lines 10 's difference 16550 uart 16550a uart \? thanks ! loose sprockets mind hamsters natural habitat anymore \( ie wild hamsters \) \? world consists plastic gym call home call hell \? funny like watch others sweat butts take root sofa i'm n't think hamsters sweat 'll go shave one get back \( robert \) bobby yung ry01 lehigh edu
beezer cc utah edu \( beezer \) subject forsale wedding dress size 9 news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization salt lick , ut distribution usa lines 5 size 9 wedding dress lots , inquire 801 269 1157 mst \( utah \) paid asking
ucla edu \( chad jones \) subject help identifying card x useragent nuntius v1 1 nntp posting host 128 97 27 7 organization university california los angeles lines 27 article imag fr ibaa oueichek , oueichek imag fr writes ethernet card took old lc card manufactured asante read asante tech , inc copyright 1991 lc rev b card fpu socket provides thin ethernet connector 's another connector phone connectors questions card work model lc serie \? , given 's pds card , work iisi pds slot \? think may lc 16 bit wide slots probably wo n't work lc ones lc ii rev , wo n't work iisi 's pds slot since 's 68030 pds , lc 68020 pds iisi se 30 share kind card 's card \? 's 10baset ethernet connector chad e jones days might fill network manager laughter break days ucla physiological science might feel shaft light make way ucla edu across face 'll \( 310 \) 825 voice know meant see signs \( 310 \) 206 fax know meaning 10 , 000
\( rashid \) subject yet rushdie islamic law nntp posting host 47 252 4 186 organization nh lines 126 article 1993apr22 nic csu net , davec silicon csci edu \( dave \) wrote article 1993apr22 bnr ca \( rashid \) writes stuff deleted point post rushdie condemned solely words book \( although certainly contributing factor \) whole series actions rushdie publishers following publication book initial media spotlight placed book , \( large part \) led fatwa kind fatwa levelled rushdie lightly placed number anti islamic writers within outside islamic world made , someone adds fuel explosive situation , might charged incitement riot people die rioting charges might become even serious rushdie blamed deaths people demonstrating \? deaths blamed people dealt demonstrations , demonstrators , violent lengths go justify barbaric behaviour rushdie \? rushdie situation exploded media , muslim voice matter book effectively restricted short video bytes showing dramatic highlights muslim demonstrations every twenty newspaper , magazine articles , interviews etc supporting rushdie , would appear one muslim voice person usually selected based dramatic incoherent , knowledge islam situation time approx twenty one ratio continued throughout escalation crisis , rushdie central spotlight man moment , valiant defender 's right free speech responsibility \( aside , 's interesting hue cry freedom speech went , books \( certain ethnic religious groups \) continued banned felt injured sensibilities groups presented false image could promote feelings hate towards groups muslims kind double standard annoying \) rushdie saw spotlight golden opportunity organized islam , admirable verbal skill kind islam rushdie finds palatable calls secular islam islam separated 's qur'an , 's prophet , god , legislation , importantly intrusion political arena fine rushdie made views known muslim 's made anger book known scale whole affair erupted global proportions , time , already political situation affecting governments well individuals situation serious one , far reaching political implications centre turmoil rushdie , throwing fuel fire engaged personal crusade made oblivious sense caution may feel person centre worldwide storm responsibility , reason exercise restraint kind , obligation perhaps step back momentarily spotlight till matters calm perhaps even feel justified boldly defying anger dare take literary work , matter insult find within perhaps see kind secular heroic knight , mounted media steed , battle dragon islamic fundamentalism well khomeini saw author grew muslim atmosphere , knew well muslim 's hold dear , wrote book uses certain literary conventions slander , insult , attack islam notable personalities , faced situation became worldwide crisis , continued mischief world stage media , even people injured killed magnitude emotion situation , continued mischief , instead good sense desist khomeini saw crisis mischief making grand scale , mischief making grew scale scale crisis enlarged deaths muslims around world rushdie 's continued media mischief even , triggering factor seemed decide khomeini putting stop mischief person centre events rushdie source continuing mischief media support , government support support source rushdie \( publishers , nothing short ecstatic publicity happy see rushdie constantly media \) islamic rulings deal people engage kind grand scale mischief making , applied rushdie 're attempts justification image islam good made attempts justification , explanation image chief concern muslim islam rushdie muslims willingly relegated becoming sub culture within larger secular culture , secular principles laws precedence laws islam doubt islam would thought good image \( principally would large reflect secular image \) good image usually means like attempts totally rushdie reflect exactly attitude resulted polarization brought crisis iran , situation monitored many months rushdie kept adding fuel flames free worldwide voice media gave , situation monitored seriously , even many deaths occured worldwide , rushdie still desist fatwa pronounced behaving like total jerk lives , jerk sees still insists right behave like total jerk rug jerked muslims n't make big fuss book , like issuing death threats , killing publishers , one would heard fatwa came later much later rushdie n't mouth much media , fuss would died one would killed , fatwa would passed whole episode would away
jek cu nih gov subject certainty lines 20 friday 7 may 1993 , marty helgesen wrote public revelation , basis catholic doctrine , ended death st john , last apostle nothing new added every often , pope declares departed christian heaven , may invoked public rites church understanding roman catholics believe declarations pope infallible see three possibilities 1 \) church received public revelation since death \( example \) joan arc 2 \) church given list death st john joan 's name 3 \) public revelation joan , roman catholics free doubt died state grace , even historical character , james kiefer
myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard , fort collins , co , usa lines 18 though , 1500 real watts still n't impossible 125 150a 12v alternator , less alternator produces higher voltages anyone claiming 1500 real watts n't possible mobile dig back issues 73 \( , think , qst \) description mobile installation revered oms , recall , included heath \( dc \) amp \( model number sb something mind turning usual friday mush \) run full cw fairly regulary car 's electrical system modified , including rather seriously heavy duty alternator , installation done , possible installation source legendary story sitting car , paging wife department store pa systems ! bob myers kc0ew hewlett packard co opinions expressed systems technology div employer myers fc hp com fort collins , colorado sentient life form planet
jek cu nih gov subject two picked lines 35 gerry palo writes adam eve golgotha whole process fall man occurred involved gradual dimming consciousness spiritual world discernable world different peoples history greek , example , could say , better beggar land living king land dead \( iliad , think \) would swear nothing sort found iliad , first passage thought odyssey 11 480 thereabouts \( copy line numbers \) ghost speaks \( robert fitzgerald translation \) better , say , break sod farm hand poor country man , iron , lord exhausted dead next passage thought ecclesiastes 9 4 living dog better dead lion hand , one notion firmly embedded christianity originated definitely pagan source idea human consists essentially soul , soul created birth , consciously adopted aristotle , whose ideas dominated christian thought fifteen hundred years still today surely aristotle little influence christian thought 1250 ad , james kiefer
chaos cs brandeis edu \( alan \) subject help gcc plp ii laser printer reply cs brandeis edu organization little possible distribution comp lines 13 utoronto ca \( charles ng \) writes plp ii laser printer make gcc technologies problem dirty first page top portion first always smeared black toner across page print one page time , problem occur pages cleaned printer still help anyone offer solutions \? know phone gcc technologies \? phone number gcc 617 275 , believe n't number tech support handy alan
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject remember names come election time keywords usa federal , government , international , non usa government organization corporation open systems distribution world lines 26 1 cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) writes said article c5u4qi mz4 apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes besides , 's case made us military involvement n't apply equally well , say , liberia , angola , \( appears khmer rouge 's new campaign \) cambodia non whites n't count \? hmm might say kuwaitis non white ooops , forgot , kuwaitis oil rich , loaded petro dollars , etc n't count let 's forget somalia , far white gets according reports read seems think african american marines less complimentary terms , using gestures signify word refuse use seems even try help people , still insult 's two row , care try \? reb
cs cmu edu \( jha \) subject intersection syndrome \? nntp posting host sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 17 hi went tuesday diagnosed intersection syndrome prescribed want know disease drug thanks
imv aau dk \( karl johan olsen \) subject mac plus constantly rebooting ! organization information , university aarhus , denmark lines 22 article netnews upenn edu , eniac seas upenn edu \( george \) wrote basically , mac pluses constantly rebooting , reboot button pushed sometimes mac able fully boot well threads going long enough 'll add twist yet another twist i'm kind problem se \( 2 5 40 \) , although frequent suggestions \? karl johan olsen internet imv aau dk dept information media science university aarhus denmark
prl dit csiro au \( peter lamb \) subject branch athiests cult \( rawlins debunks creationism \) organization csiro division information technology lines 71 king ctron com \( john e king \) writes scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) writes information , checked library congress catalog , list following books francis hitching branch athiests zealots following think mistaken thinking tom scharle atheist find atheists christians among opponents calling opponents branch athiests zealots nothing credibility let try oh yes , doubt infiltrated previous , confident certitude evolutionary biology inflamed passions lack agreement even within warring camps sometimes seems many variations evolutionary theme individual biologists eldridge \( yes 's paleontologist \) natural history evolutionary feb 1982 pg 78 dear taken context 's hard know start quote starts material p 78 , ends material page 81 ! page 78 , 's bit says \( parts left john king 's quote marked \) doubt infiltrated previous , confident certitude evolutionary biology 's last twenty years inflamed passions provoked interesting thought research eldridge goes immediately following butchered quote short , evolutionary biology entered phase creativity hallmark good , active science material page 81 quoted john king butchered even severely mention illustrate words original text prl lack agreement even within warring camps things really uproar days , basic ways looking evolutionary biology minor variants sometimes seems many variations evolutionary theme individual biologists eldridge goes 's way science supposed operate jack sentences creationists misrepresent exuberant , creative doubt controversy evolutionary biology days , actively promoting scientific , john e king , precisely done eldridge 's article personally responsible butchery text pulled creationist propaganda \? owe people reading apology posting misrepresentation peter lamb \( prl dit csiro au \)
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 47 article 1993apr21 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote kent , accusing evil things jesus accusing accusing accusing everyone , everyone world guilty whether one sees light seen light nothing whether evil things regardless hmm , seems core christianity , feel guilty , 's single personality save universal guilt feeling brian , tell secret , n't feel guilty , mistakes , regret , however 've never huge guilt feeling hanging shoulder things happen wrong , try learn mistakes go clear indication need certain personality type order believe adjust certain religious doctrines personality type opposite , easily attached certain world view system see jesus 's point \? christians perfect perfect want come light jesus see problems lives , like sight ugly thing see far fallen jesus 's perspective think want know really ignorant \? think brian kendig wants know \? think want know \? ego verses truth , choose \? know n't know everything frankly speaking n't care , life fun anyway recognize i'm perfect , hinder healthy inspiring life humans subscribe notion nice thing finally shake huge burden , shoulders feel far relaxed ! cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
scorch apana org au \( kingsley turner \) subject universal vesa driver organization public unix system , newcastle , oz summary want know universal vesa driver keywords vesa lines 12 time ago \( 1 month \) bit discussion universal vesa driver 8bit cards file zip well ca n't find , anyone know \( gorilla something something au \) , sort cards works \? also would pushing luck ask someone post appropriate group kingsley turner nsw australia
bong slac stanford edu \( eric bong \) subject boom ! dog attack ! organization slac lines 26 article cbnews cb att com , nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) wrote worked lean towards dog modulated throttle keep ankle ahead teeth seconds warm pipe firmly wedged shoulder turned face sideways see warm got mouth nose muzzle burned pipes one yip away , never chase nice tex use california dmv recommended technique slow said dog wick pass 've often contemplated putting boot said dog 's muzzle open throttle , never tried impact would 'd dump bike bicycling technique 've employed use frame mounted tire pump fend dog attacks one occasion attacked pack four dogs steep hill lost right sock , blood complained local animal control department \( complaining owner dogs affect \) dogs dogs , attacks telephone worked much better tire pump eric bong dod 1986 1987 1991 vfr750
spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization personal opinions inc lines 89 article 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes article 1993apr22 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) writes article 1993apr21 2880 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes said gund open , n't say give draft picks promising talent could gotten murphy 2m great , agree sharks n't give young talent early round draft picks listed chelios et al indicate type player think sharks need pick rules signing free agents less 30 years old puts big restriction sharks pick however , believer need pick players add toughness team remember 're unlikely get real quality free agents require compensation sharks tried , makarov , probably top class among non compensation free agents , even probably would n't helped much n't expect get top quality , toughness n't view makarov player would add toughness size hopefully wo n't much worry next year alexander michal agreed multi year contracts , appears mike also sign soon three pretty big size alone n't enough know much fear kolstad \( 6 6 \) struck eyes opponents ! well , highly touted prospects , unlike kolstad initially supposed play russian wc team \( anybody know happened \? \) means 's likely good enough nelson , 're confusing skill toughness mcgill hammond johan garpenlov would really rather two instead johan \? logic enjoy falloon ozolinsh injured reserve \? logic think sharks kept mcgill hammond guarantee falloon ozolinsh would n't gotten hurt \? \( think chance mcgill would caused ozolinsh get stuck kc , know , hammond worthless , mcgill almost worthless \) well , wilson , maybe , n't think falloon ozolinsh really injured said \? n't , n't see justification mcgill hammond around would prevent injuries injuries falloon ozolinsh purely accidental , could mcgill hammond done prevent \? hey , get mcgill hammond thing i'm fan either point last year sharks toughness missing year year skill , i'm , skill players keep getting beat injured ca n't much good whether 's cheap shot ca n't let teams push around 1992 93 sharks simply got pushed around much teams knew knew could aggressively check sharks pay adding players season add toughness team help insure next season teams vigorously check skill players , take cheap shots n't guarantee injuries \( nothing \) , 's something sharks reduce number injuries mark say mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockheed com cow palace 108 k 8 \?
fiddler concertina eng sun com \( steve hix \) subject gun like american express card organization sun lines 48 nntp posting host concertina article cmm 0 90 2 thomasp surt ifi uio thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes n't remember figures exactly , 3500 deaths texas 1991 caused guns includes suicides since shown countries suicide rates pretty much independent means available oneself \( studies include done published japan , canada , austria , norway \) , suicides ought included count done , number vehicle related deaths greatly exceeds firearms related deaths texas suffer others certainly agree one , also live therefor 'll give 'freedom' \( note '' \) \? unless 's something directly hurts someone else , 's point \? \( otherwise , 'd better stop operating motor vehicles , since price operating greatly exceeds cost lives firearms one state \( n't remember , texas \? \? \) tried impose rule could buy one gun month think know happened well , 's done least twice south \( north \? \) carolina years back watched crime rate relative rest country rise quite bit virginia passed law word yet results , 'd willing ot bet reduction crime rates wo n't one respect right defend , right inflict people self defense n't inflict people \( except perhaps criminal 's tried damage , maybe indirectly future potential victims might become victims \) things important give away everybody else none left dieter car salesman
davet interceptor cds tek com \( dave tharp cds \) subject volvo attack ! distribution na organization tektronix colorado data systems , englewood , co lines 19 article bd bd uucp bd fluent dartmouth edu writes cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes get rocket launchers vfr \? batf fire sale waco , tx try might try rec models rockets newsgroup interesting stuff , probably classified artillery dave tharp dod 0751 ca n't wear davet interceptor cds tek com mra 151 indian scout , '88 k75s '48 indian chief ahrma 751 brother chief '75 r90s \( 151 \) '72 tr 2b \( 751 \) ama 524737 're built like rocks '65 r50 2 velorex '57 nsu max take knocks , 1936 bmw r12 \( compulsive 's harleys employer idea joiner \) give grief
bpita ctp com \( bob pitas \) subject 's rush \( fast \) organization cambridge technology partners distribution usa lines 38 article csa3 lbl gov csa3 lbl gov \( ad absurdum per \) writes wrat rites designed speeds upwards 80 forget exact spec military vehicles 's 80 1958 dodge powerwagon 80 1993 ford taurus , still see reference super slab system interstate defense highways whether military much anything goes 80 road another matter diesel trucks , maybe , load permitting military surplus stuff 've driven jeep classic \( kaiser amc , pre independent suspension \) power wagons \( slant 6 crew cab pickup \) actually , 've heard m1 abrams tank commanders take turbine engines , acheive paved road never seen , believe n't exactly congenial highway speeds , would n't swear would 80 except semi stuff deleted joe another personal opinion people 's republic berkeley '85 mustang gt bob pitas 14 13 99 8 bpita ctp com ned , , nh \( cambridge , \) geddy lee \( \) disclaimer opinions mine , obviously , since end sig !
physik uni kl de \( thomas kettenring \) subject branch athiests cult \( rawlins debunks creationism \) organization fb physik , universitaet kaiserslautern , germany lines 23 article ctron news ctron com , king ctron com \( john e king \) writes scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) writes information , checked library congress catalog , list following books francis hitching believe 've discovered parallel many discussions fundies , main tactic discredit sources possibly parallel stems tending use bad sources anyway , n't think similarity rather shallow \? 're looking surface , way argumentation perhaps go little deeper try find difference , example , find whether find real science done hitching ca n't , admit attempt quoting authority \? thomas kettenring , 3 dan , kaiserslautern , germany johannes , greatest european philosopher 9th century , said reason authority conflict , reason given preference n't sound reasonable , 'll accept
gnome pd org \( mike \) subject dogs organization laughing gnome software farm , atlanta , ga , usa lines 15 nntp posting host noel pd org x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 speedy mercer \( speedy engr latech edu \) wrote let fido yer left arm bites , bring right forearm hard back neck bushing back left arm fido 's mouth followed dull crack one limp dog total cost , couple holes left arm ar n't wearing leather aerostitch hold procedure \? i'm ordering mine monday , may 3 i'm happy , \) \) mike mike gnome pd org ! emory ! pd org ! gnome ama dod 522 irony spice life '90 bianchi '82 suzuki revolution televised
michael sells sells haverford edu subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization haverford college lines 49 distribution world nntp posting host 130 58 172 17 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxdate thu , 13 may 93 12 09 32 gmt subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) nick jovanovic , jovanovic nick yale edu date 12 may 1993 17 19 43 0400 article minerva cis yale edu nick jovanovic , jovanovic nick yale edu writes article venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes find interesting mr major finds genocide two million muslims bosnia acceptable actually claiming 2 , 000 , 000 muslims killed b h \? \? \? please substantiate utterly ridiculous claim , i'm claiming 2 , 000 , 000 killed middle genocide process mr major given yet another green light mladic seems wants , getting appetite mladic refuses allow international observers inspect mass grave sites killing centers places like , , , years accurate account number killed practical terms , would impossible kill 2 , 000 , 000 n't kind machinery gas chambers transportation lines nazis took 8 years develop remember , nazis killed minorities countries occupied actually kill 42 population requires extreme genocidal organization claim goal genocide systematic annihilation bosnian muslim culture , killing many feasible , rape , torture , demolition mosques , libraries , culture , burning renaming villages , shelling civilians wo n't 2 , 000 , 000 muslims whose lives shattered genocide , though still may alive mr major finds acceptable , helps along making sure victims n't arms defend nick mike michael sells , department religion , haverford college haverford , pa 19041 1392
r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu \( doug roberts \) subject lame , dumb useless question organization university arizona , biotechnology , tucson lines 13 nntp posting host joplin biosci arizona edu article 93109 vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes ok , three balls batter pitcher proceeds bean batter walk hit pitch \? bob vesterman 's gotta hbp doug roberts watching chris pitch reminds quote bart simpson come snipers ! \? go expos !
wmoore ads com \( william moore \) subject line copy book mormon keywords bom , book mormon , mormon organization advanced decision systems , mtn view , ca \( 415 \) 960 7300 distribution usa lines 7 anyone provide ftp site obtain online version book mormon please email internet address possible william h moore advanced decision systems , division , allen hamilton software engineer 1500 plymouth street net wmoore ads com mountain view , ca 94043 \( 415 \) 960
rahul net \( stefan hartmann \) subject genoa 's true color board organization a2i network lines 58 nntp posting host bolero immediate release editorial contact single source marketing \( 714 \) 545 1338 genoa systems joseph \( 408 \) 432 9090 neil roehm \( 408 \) 432 9090 technical genoa presents high performance video graphics accelerator san jose , calif usa genoa systems corporation announces windowsvga 24 , true color 24 bit graphics accelerator card delivers 16 8 million colors speeds faster competition plus offers full range resolutions , high refresh rates well unique proprietary performance features card available 16 bit isa bus 32 bit vesa local bus versions \( models 8500 \) 1mb dram board , windowsvga 24 card offers maximum resolution 1 , 280 x 1 , 024 supports refresh rate 72hz 800 x 600 resolution 1 , 024 x 768 non interlaced models provide performance many times greater standard svga boards , yet conform current video standards windowsvga 24 features genoa 's \( tm \) technology , eliminates screen flash flicker make viewing much comfortable cards also come \( tm \) , utility developed genoa eliminate black border around screen thereby provide 100 percent screen use monitors windowsvga model takes full advantage speed offered new vesa local bus technology vl bus cards handle data transfers 33mhz , transfer data full speed cpu , 50mhz genoa also offering card combination packaged motherboard built around cirrus logic gd 5426 gui accelerator , windowsvga 24 offers user exceptional price performance value genoa 's advanced proprietary drivers act chip , thereby providing affordable accelerator card power performance surpass many highly priced chip cards genoa user enjoy optimal speed reliability programs windows , autocad , , 3d studio , os 2 , driver updates product bulletins available genoa 's bbs \( 408 \) 943 1231 genoa systems manufactures markets extensive line graphics adapters , motherboards , audio multimedia cards ibm compatible personal computers products come two year limited warranty parts labor genoa products currently distributed worldwide authorized distributors , resellers , vars systems information contact joe , marketing manager , genoa systems 75 e road , san jose , calif 95131 tel \( 408 \) 432 9090 \( 800 \) 934 fax \( 408 \) 434 stefan hartmann rahul net
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 30 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote hmm , seems core christianity , feel guilty think see coming kent jesus n't view guilt like modern colors feelings nothing guilt feelings arise state guilty feeling guilt exclusive feelings reaction guilt jesus talking guilt state , reaction let give example ever made mistake \? ever lied someone \? even little white lie \? ever claimed know something really n't know \? ever hated someone \? ever selfish \? guilty one \? answer course , yes guilty period jesus getting big surprise feelings even enter picture consider jesus 's use word guilt court uses 've done things , 've , learned lesson two far aspirin , good talk wife , one week vacation cured need group therapy strange religions ! cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject help adding scsi drive \( coexist ide \? \) reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca lines 61 nntp posting host monica us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle article 1993apr22 27323 physchem ox ac uk mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) writes article 1993apr19 195301 oracle us oracle com , ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes 486sx25 computer 105 mg seagate ide drive controler built motherboard want add scsi drive \( quantum prodrive 425 mg formatted \) documentation need help ! understand , process adding drive could please tell i'm right 1 buy scsi contoler one \? know adaptec good , kind expensive good boards 100 region \? want compatible os2 unix possible also , seen net scsi scsi2 drives true \? adapter need drive \? type drive quantum \? tried others , think adaptec best value money 2 connect drive adapter via scsi cable power cable worry power supply \? think 200 watts i'm powering two floppies seagate drive dont think mix two types drive , unless one scsi ide cards available turn ide true \? \? \? impression people net scsi ide working together well seems anythiing i'm forgetting \? help really appreciated , i'm lost eric ebosco us oracle com mark mark uk ac ox physchem
netcom com \( jeff \) subject apple monitor woes keywords monitor organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 distribution na lines 15 3 month old seems acquired jitters late 14 apple color monitor i'm using lciii sort jiggles left right time attempted monitor make sure problem n't interference something else , problem seems remain matter anybody encountered problem \? thanks , jeff \( netcom com \)
aol com subject wanna scan 24 bit picture \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 2 nntp posting host cs utexas edu 24 bit color 600 dpi scanner job gif , tiff , pcx , bmp interested \? please write aol com
jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization tx metronet communications services , dallas tx lines 11 article 1993may14 klaava helsinki fi jliukkon klaava helsinki fi \( juha matti liukkonen \) writes let pose question many ms dos users access net , would probably find feature useful , \? ie , suggestion implies microsoft relying shareware pd products fill gaps dos misunderstand statement \? 's called free system suggests wish enhance dos , , sell , give away microsoft ca n't everything everyone ! period !
guo acuson com \( guo \) subject toyota land cruiser worth \? organization acuson mountain view , california lines 26 tvervaek col hp com \( tom vervaeke \) writes wife looked , drove one last fall 1992 model underpowered could imagine driving mountains colorado anything approaching highway speeds read new 1993 models newer , improved hp engine i'm quite serious laughed salesman face said 's broken feel powerful used driving jeep 4 0l engine believe 92 's land cruisers \( land \) 3 0l , 4runner , also underpowered \( personal opinion \) big cars , roomy , nothing spectacular \( \) \( \) tom vervaeke email tvervaek cs itc hp com hewlett packard co phone 719 590 love animals taste \( \) \( \) land cruiser l6 4 5 engine 200 hp 280 , drove california , power enough high price reason buy
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject major views trinity reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 43 article may 5 02 52 59 1993 athos rutgers edu , write yes comments long enough n't want repeat , 'll send via email back author certainly intended description three similar deities , though certainly see would look way thanks letter , comments helped last comment , certainly realize intended sound way still trying understand spiritual truly one three time descriptions either platonic sound like special pleading \( sort , appear three seperate beings ways , really one , trust \) neither fact , far descriptions trinity makes sense modalistic ones , modalistic economic trinitarianism accept three aspects intrinsic nature god , perhaps lean towards latter trying , , see anybody come another description orthodox believable sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com fear orthodox theologians overly love paradox , extent well meaning people think 've flat confused 's problem things 3 1 , e g 3 different parts 1 father , son , holy spirit n't exactly parts god , parts things distinguished physical separation three persons omnipresent , obviously n't physically separate 're way different aspects , modes , whatever , one god accept economic trinitarianism , 's possible n't substantive difference standard view possible n't find neo platonic explanation illuminating \? clh
reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject pgp get \? lines 16 new news group net things heard pgp encryption program anybody know might get version program runs windows 3 1 , ms dos , unix w source \? writting unix access running nifty windows thanks advance ! jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
gw wmich edu subject prk referral canada organization western michigan university lines 9 could please refer someone perform prk \( photo refractive \) canada \( preferably eastern portion \) 've looked yellow pages little success , someone good \( bad , matter \) experience , would especially helpful could please let know thanks , kurt lab cc wmich edu \( preferred address \)
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject subliminal channels dss organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 59 may suggest proposed cipher system less entropy user 's key message embedded subliminal channel big difference entropy user input \( message \) entropy output \? example , take plain des unsuspecting user inputs string plaintext cranks algorithm hacked george quisling comes j nine char nine chars right \? user ships ciphertext message plaintext produced everything fine , right \? nope imagine algorithm lz compression plaintext \( compressing four characters entropy 9 wj opponent pads message message , also compressed applying des concatenated compressed pairs , first compressed message stripped declared sent receiver , opponents collects remaining message bit bucket kill prevent subliminal covert storage channels would need entropy time priori impossible \( example \) stereotypical message might replaced one bit output rest output bits long covert message words , opponent get muck algorithm either got muck last concede possible embedding covert channels words , present message less entropy given free bits storage grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
ddavis cass ma02 bull com \( dave davis \) subject christian meta ethics organization bull world wide information systems , inc lines 117 distribution na nntp posting host cass ma02 bull com russell turpin , wont , raised interesting issues struggle christian texts christians unfortunately , seems hoping simplicity available lukewarm stew detects may well inevitable result divine mixing bunch losers humanity also unfortunately \( perhaps \) deadline two weeks , responsibility prevents , good conscience , writing considered response fully entering , let say , briefly two commandments rules merely rules vague practically devoid meaning point , net also still read books , pursued throughly , critique religion philosophy commandment love neighbor viewed , part , reminding man god cannot act ultimate responsibility theological statement worthy dr turpin \( dd \) may wear black robe geneva yet ! \) indeed , many traditions present interpretation believers supposed interpret loving one 's neighbor following various rules , relying god make things come right , precisely would wrong man assume ultimate responsibility , confronted good sounding goo means whatever reader wants mean requires assumption interpretations equally valid , way reasonably distinguishing among would n't make assumption n't think reasonable assumption say interpretation twisted \? many passages bible straightforward reading show christian god behaving way michael , , others , read 'the christian glasses among things imply nt informs ot , even point points ot \( ceremonial dietary laws \) explicitly nt texts drive russell turpin 's point , one needs begin nt texts \( probably matthew , probably damnation \) \( trying help \) \) part , discover , moves post mls radical christian take gospel seriously , michael , conservative christians also take gospel seriously differentiates way interpret gospel russell turpin 's 'no' misplaced , say inappropriate michael 's self description much govern equation radical liberal , seems implied russell turpin wrong radical conservatives possible \( sadly lacking numbers present \) thomas radical , even though conservative ways st francis radical , similarly many examples needed \? mls n't \( \) christians like mls tell something christianity \? michael 's question gets heart matter \( two hearts , metaphor mixed , extraterrestrial \) \) russell turpin \( earlier post \) said michael \( michael 's theological positions , actually \) n't tell much christianity dean responds \( time gently \) 'what mean \? ' direct , perhaps , would 'what could possibly mean \? ' implied rhetorical effort , separate michael tradition , failure michael tradition idea tradition n't include , change idea tradition ! irony nothing christianity per se michael use support cause lesbians gays one answer staying general issue \? i'm side fence \( michael \) issue , yet ' nothing ' hideous overstatement one verse enough refute 'll offer two , paul \( people \) 'in jesus christ neither male female ' \( galatians 3 28 n't quote single verses rule , n't carry head \) ' nothing shall separate us glory god ' \( roughly , romans \) russell would promise convert based verses , 'd promise get full context requires \) \) short , extra christian principles make michael 's christianity beneficial , suspect would beneficial , perhaps , without filtered christian interpretation conclusion follow , even short , argument goes surprising logical dave davis , ddavis ma30 bull com opinions activities alone wild beasts trapped cages fierce christians julian apostate , c 361
hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) subject zionism reply hernlem chess ncsu edu \( brad hernlem \) organization ncsu chem eng lines 26 article 1993apr29 das harvard edu , adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes article 1 cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu \( anwar mohammed \) writes organization trying distribute nazi propaganda furthermore , attempt rationalize crude stereotyping pointing wtc bombing , arab americans involvement huh \? mohamed perhaps korean \? claim arab americans involvement wtc bombing \? ok , involvement alleged fbi , n't seem reliable days honestly , pile evidence pointing , seems 5 involved mean arab americans involved , blamed , denying arab americans involved sounds sorta silly adam n't think suspects americans consequently , could arab americans brad hernlem \( hernlem chess ncsu edu \)
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject profiles shostack , freeman , death organization department redundancy department lines 29 article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes article ucdavis edu chip ucdavis edu \( \) writes 's opinion , course ! take military budget definition foreign aid , foreign aid send annually israel easily multiplied beyond three six \( depending whose figures believe \) million hard earned u taxpayer 's dollars oh really ! let 's see costs us armed forces roughly 25k salaries average man woman uniform normally takes 2 3 times actual salary amount support worker thus roughly 150k soldiers currently stationed germany get nearly 4 billion dollars annual cost aid israel personnel , even counting spent local workers equipment ! 're beginning scratch surface know much military equipment costs \? last time tried buy mil spec hammer , coffee pot toilet seat \? paying israel dirty work 's without putting american soldiers 's lives line much , much , much cheaper uncle sam 's arrangements much rest world jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject maxima chain wax wheelies organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 20 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu article 93apr20 211127 44984 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km would like nominate maxima chain wax another official \( tm \) dod product choice dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
support qdeck com \( technical support \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows organization quarterdeck office systems , santa monica ca lines 30 article gpsemi com wilkinson roborough gpsemi com writes hi , first time 've posted net , hope going right people i'm looking software packages run ibm pc clone allows display openlook motif windows pc idea use pc cheap x windows terminal use process engineers work may humbly suggest desqview x \? \( course , i'm biased \) desqview x dos computers , uses standard x11r4 server 's display mechanism dos applications microsoft windows standard mode converted fly x protocol , allowing display , r4 compatable x program machine net display pc 's local display \( display net \) free tools available x applications dvx platform many x programs ported dvx unix little modifications \( often , need create new makefile ! \) 're interested details , check usenet group comp os msdos desqview , email directly support qdeck com , 'd happy fill quarterdeck office systems internet support tom pricing ordering info qdeck com tech questions support qdeck com bbs \( 310 \) 314 3227 fax \( 310 \) 314 3217 compuserve go quarterdeck anonymous ftp qdeck com \( 149 17 8 10 \) , leave email address password
palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) subject political banner space organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 15 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu penelope sdsc edu \( jeff \) writes propose , mcdonalds companies could put orbit banners timely political messages , , stop slaughter bosnia ! end light pollution ! ! banner would effect subject , banner would david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov
mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( keith mancus \) subject vandalizing sky organization mdssc lines 26 sichase csa2 lbl gov \( scott chase \) writes pgf srl02 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) writes jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com \( jeff cook \) writes people primitive tribes middle nowhere look see budweiser flying across sky seen movie already one like come think , might send someone quest get rid dang thing one lesser known books \( ca n't remember one right \) , balloon , travelling africa way around world balloon 's five weeks balloon anyone tell get , sure would like reply ! 've looking book ten year , never found \( note looking 200 collector 's item i'm hoping someone published modern times , either paperback hardcover i'm willing spend 50 get copy keith mancus mancus butch jsc nasa gov n5wvr mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov black powder alcohol , states cities fall , back 's wall leslie fish
garrett ingres com subject limiting govt \( employment summary thanks offer news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords organization ask computer systems , ingres product division distribution usa lines 55 article morrow stanford edu , xa forsythe stanford edu \( writes article 1993apr17 pony ingres com , garrett ingres com \( grep friend \) writes article 1993apr17 eecs nwu edu , ian epsilon eecs nwu edu \( ian writes could n't disagree strongly sounds good , practice often becomes tyranny , often conflicting ideas constitutes improving human condition far better let people organizations pursue whatever goals think best , let human condition improved willing without coercion always conflicting ideas constitutes improving human condition , 's humanity seem believe libertarianism improve human condition lifting constraints , people better chance improving environment let try put another way libertarians believe environment provides best chance solving problem creativity however , never guarantee really good solution ever found particular problem utopia option utopia myth \( although lot better today \) think must pitch libertarianism progressive agenda \( ie better style system \) admire lot libertarians stand , guys worst salesmen ever seen comes politics , need salesmen whether want need people agree us , know something , willing marketing teach others \? i'm invitation , i'm afraid wrong person although completely agree civil liberties agenda , i'm support economic agenda like libertarian party guys good shaking tired ideas past encourage guys continue crusade , i'm afraid ca n't ride along ian sutherland ian eecs nwu edu nothing inevitable mistake whose time garrett johnson come garrett ingres com june nothing inevitable mistake whose time garrett johnson come garrett ingres com probability someone watching proportional stupidity action unknown
mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 23 article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes whether good bonds behind , net stat probably tell 's reason , thinks , might self fulfilling prophecy n't understand lack ability \( say , agree \) causes swing bad pitches , thinking bonds hitting behind help stop chasing bad pitches n't mean would necessarily help improve specific deficiency meant bonds bat behind gives williams \( possibly unfounded \) confidence , might translate hitting productivity 're right biggest problem physical mental , 's less likely make difference michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 suppliers software developers data 408 996 1974
cola pax tpa com au \( geoff peters \) subject mac plus constantly rebooting ! reply cola pax tpa com au organization clipboard , fidonet 3 800 861 lines 25 tae shin \( husc8 harvard edu \) wrote basically , mac pluses constantly rebooting , reboot button pushed sometimes mac able fully boot display desktop , matter time reboots times , frequency high several times minute wonder mac little reset interupt switches installed plastic devices push switches inside mac switches bad need replacing wish caught original post , anyway problem plus 's poor old power supply \( sometimes referred analog sweep board \) way apart board swap \( apple \) , 's much average joe fix , course , try adjust voltage levels \( 5v rail close 5v cn get \) often temporary fix copy larry 's repair upgrade secrets worthwhile investment serious er geoff peters cola flash pax tpa com au
andromeda rutgers edu \( louie crew \) subject hate sin reply andromeda rutgers edu organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 66 wjhovi01 ulkyvx louisville edu \( bill , lpts student \) writes scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , often context discussions christianity homosexuality context really n't important question whether statement consistent christianity would think i'm grateful scott 's reflections oft quoted phrase could someone please remind scriptural source \? \( rom 12 9 n't count , kids \) manner little piece conventional wisdom applied , experience , uniformly hateful destructive billh underlining mine yes , apply would better served could alter bible reflect views scene 1 well samaria woman husband jesus yo ! everybody ! listen ! get rocks ready ! 'll good biblical fun whispering n't husband , yet know secret powers five ! \( know samaritans ! worse , 's living guy 's even married believe loving , 'll raise rocks like bible allows threaten good stoning , 'll understand much hate sin love sinner must keep priorities strait , lest folks 2 , 000 years misunderstand believe canceled sin ! scene 2 2nd thief got raw deal , man n't catch anything wrong like caught bleeding jesus , son let real clear say something wrong , repenting \? need absolutely certain cause repent , nice room heaven , think might go , cancel reservation nice pity i'm hanging , must understand , act i'm really hurting i'm god , see point teach perfect like think simple kind remark suffering going get favors , 'd better think twice ! repent , become good standing bad news , delivered us , good god ! thank ! thank ! thank ! louie louie crew , academic foundations department , rutgers university , nwk andromeda rutgers edu 201 485 snail , prefer p box 30 , newark , nj
fortmann superbowl und ac za \( paul fortmann pg \) subject word perfect exe file needed organization university natal \( durban \) lines 14 friend mine managed get copy greek hebrew lexicon called word perfect \( word processing package wordperfect \) however , one wiped exe file , able restore distributors package south africa would appreciate , one could email file , least tell could get email address fortmann superbowl und ac za fortmann shrike und ac za many thanks , paul fortmann
dana lando la locus com \( dana h myers \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization locus computing corporation , los angeles , california lines 25 article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes wondering one thing , actually two \( hope proper place post subject \) oh , yeah fine place n't concrete kill lead acid batteries thread least six months lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? concrete simply sucks electrons battery ground another explanation , implausible , lead acid battery needs periodically charged \( topped \) , otherwise battery self discharges undergoes irreversible chemical reaction concrete sucks life dana h myers views expressed \( 310 \) 337 5136 mine necessarily dana locus com dod 466 reflect employer extra supports abolition 13 20 tests
karim edvard ahmed ka0k andrew cmu edu subject goodbye , good riddance , get lost 'stars organization senior , economics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 22 1993apr19 julian uwo ca nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr19 julian uwo ca first , anyone accepted western business school dork second , one person country 27 million n't think posts article , mean embarrasing canada network expressing feel thoughts someone n't agree , give right call assholes anyways , north stars shit ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! c'mon leafs whoa ! lighten , andrew ! referring western business school , specifically referring assholes writing obnoxious comments insulting state people minnesota apparent reason canadian , one friends attended uwo , personally n't want associated idiots wrote messages one thing , andrew season , leafs sucked pretty badly last umpteen years \( cup lifetime \? \) north stars n't shit team norris kea
ferch ucs ubc ca \( les ferch \) subject mac disks windows \? organization university british columbia lines 25 nntp posting host swiss ucs ubc ca agate berkeley edu ucsee berkeley edu \( carleton \) writes article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) writes macsee zip ftp cica indiana edu supposed read write mac disks 've never tried , though good luck tried , ca n't say works , 'cause n't read 800k disks , reads 1 44mb program read 800k disks , please let know i'm sure possible due way mac writes 800k disk think way sectors set different enough pc 3 5 ca n't read hardware problem software cannot correct hope helps correct i'm wrong 're right cannot read write mac apple ii 800k 3 5 disk apple ii 5 25 disk without extra hardware however , mac 1 44mb disks read written pc 3 5 hd drive software probably added every pc mac faq file sure gets asked enough
karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) subject need advice ! \( i'm new rider \) organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 23 article 1993apr21 bsu ucs 00cjmelching leo bsuvc bsu edu writes tachometer sticker right says first 500 miles go 4 , 000 rpm 's , next 500 miles , n't go 6 , 000 \( referred break period n't know \) well , , would never going 35 mph even 6th gear ! ! ! question , hurt new cycle take 6 7000 rpm range least go speed limit \? \? \? \? already go speed limit 4000 rpm need find road 35 mph speed limit n't quite silly sounds take nice day trip back roads \( highways full people trying seriously get \) might able hold 35 mph comfortably could easily 500 miles three different weekends might even get enjoy scenery yes , know probably bought 250 called ninja david karr \( karr cs cornell edu \) '80 bmw r65 dod 0969 also bmwmoa , nra , aclu , et al
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 22 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 3tu menudo uh edu , inde7wv rosie uh edu \( \) writes understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? even better strategy leave less buffer car front , enough around keep bike 1st gear clutch handle squeezed \( 's engaged \? \) , two cars stopped behind next bdi cager comes , simply ride along side car front n't need panic , pop clutch stall engine smoothly , rapidly cage front provide much better protection anything else \( particularly empty road \) ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
helsinki fi \( veikko \) subject astro ftp list april issue organization university helsinki lines 239 r f p l updated 28 04 1993 short description anonymous ftp file servers containing astronomy space research related material included servers special subdirectories astro stuff much material included general directories list complete data set possible places , would happy kind notices information depending listing newest version file available via anonymous ftp nic funet fi pub astro general txt also many mirror \( copy \) archives simtel 20 army mil \( pc \) sumex aim stanford edu \( mac \) included list mirroring sites listed veikko makela veikko makela helsinki fi computing centre univ helsinki ursa astronomical association server , ip contents directories ames arc nasa gov data news , images , nasa data , 128 102 18 3 spacelink texts , vicar software , faq pub space anu edu au images 130 56 4 90 pub images nasa atari archive umich edu atari 141 211 164 8 atari applications astronomy archive afit af mil satellite software , documents , elements 129 92 1 66 pub space baboon cv nrao edu aips document patches , 192 33 115 103 image processing , fits test images pub aips c scs uiuc edu , starchart \( pc \) 128 174 90 3 pub ccu1 aukuni ac nz pc 130 216 1 5 msdos astronomy \( \) overseas connections refused chara gsu edu journal asa , journal 131 96 5 10 asa , sac news explorer arc nasa gov magellan , viking voyager cdroms 128 102 32 18 cdrom export lcs mit edu distribution 18 24 0 12 contrib physics ucg ie software , predictions , images , 140 203 1 3 fits info , miscellaneous pub astro pub space pub fits fits cv nrao edu fits documents , os support , sample data , 192 33 115 8 test files , sci astro fits archive fits ftp cicb fr images 129 20 128 27 pub images astro ftp cco caltech edu astronomy magazine index 1991 131 215 48 200 pub misc ftp cs tu berlin de pc , amiga , mac , unix , images , general 130 149 17 7 pub astro ftp funet fi pc , mac , cp , atari , amiga , databases , unix , 128 214 6 100 , os 2 , texts , news , solar reports , images , pub astro satellite elements , faq ftp uni kl de , vista image reduction , asteroids 131 246 9 95 pub astro garbo uwasa fi pc 128 214 87 1 pc astronomy ac images 128 130 39 16 pub hanauma stanford edu unix , satellite program , images 36 51 0 16 pub astro pub stmarys ca distribution 140 184 1 1 gsfc nasa gov idl routines 128 183 57 82 iraf noao edu iraf software 140 252 1 1 iraf julius cs qub ac uk space digest 143 117 5 6 pub vuw ac nz astrophysical software 130 195 2 11 pub astrophys kilroy jpl nasa gov satellite elements , spacecraft info 128 149 1 165 pub space hq eso org test images , standards 134 171 11 4 pub pub standards nssdca gsfc nasa gov hst , , astro 1 , nssdca info , , 128 183 36 23 fits standard plaza aarnet edu au images , docs , magellan 139 130 4 6 graphics graphics astro magellan pomona claremont edu yale bright star catalog 134 173 4 160 yale bsc pubinfo jpl nasa gov jpl news , status reports , images 128 149 6 2 ra nrl navy mil mac 128 60 0 21 astro rascal ics utexas edu mac 128 83 138 20 mac rigel acs oakland edu pc 141 210 10 117 pub msdos astronomy rus uni stuttgart de atari 129 69 1 12 soft atari applications astronomy simtel20 army mil pc , cp 192 88 110 20 msdos educ cpm sol deakin oz au garbo uwasa fi c 128 184 1 1 pub pc astronomy solbourne solbourne com pc programs 141 138 2 2 pub rp astro stardent arc nasa gov martian map 128 102 21 44 pub stsci edu \( mac \) , hst info 130 167 1 2 software sumex stanford edu mac 36 44 0 6 info mac app sun0 urz uni heidelberg de pc , misc 129 206 100 126 pub msdos astronomy techreports larc nasa gov nasa langley technical reports 128 155 3 58 pub techreports larc gsfc nasa gov subroutines 128 183 8 77 pub csd unb ca space , solar activity info 131 202 1 2 pub vmd cso uiuc edu weather satellite images 128 174 5 98 wx world std com pc source codes 192 74 137 5 pub astronomy xi uleth ca solar reports , auroral activity forecast 142 66 3 29 maps , solar images , x ray plot , coronal pub solar emission plots abbreviations c copy \( mirror \) archive e communication projects e mail contact addresses interest groups amateur astronomy european astronomy space related bulletin boards e mail catalogue finnish amateur astronomers
erickson azure nmt edu \( alan erickson \) subject pc parallel \( ! \) nntp posting host azure organization new mexico tech lines 14 i'm trying bring 8 bits pc , would like use interrupt driven routines without buying io board making new port , bring bits \? lpt seems inputs , 've heard rumours lpts bidirectional lines anybody know fer sure \? bi lpts , boards \( 'll running new 386dx 33 \) \? alan erickson erickson baltic nmt edu '93 competitors hope 're getting much sleep
g newcastle ac uk \( graeme \) subject cults vs religions \? nntp posting host newton organization university newcastle upon tyne , uk , ne1 7ru lines 12 jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) writes religion cult power belong actually , 're bull shit graeme , g uk ac ncl hitler planet , galactic shape changing psychopath john , tomorrow people , hitler 's last secret
christian robert ch subject windows exit problem organization university , switzerland lines 6 hello , problem window 3 1 program sometimes save settings program manager system corrupt one grp files progman exe can't open next start thanks answer
ken jazz concert net \( ken \) subject help floppy problem organization mcnc center communications concert network lines 10 3 5 floppy drive stopped recognizing low density \( 720k \) floppies controller drive works fine another system told could dma chip system 386dx 25 using chips technology chip set i'm open suggestions please send replies ken jazz concert net thanks advance ! ! !
idler cs tu berlin de \( andreas kuehnel \) subject streamer software organization technical university berlin , germany lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit i'm using qic compatible 250mb streamer , really like terrible typo archive description drives mad time software rename , even better , delete archives \? help really appreciated
westes netcom com \( estes \) subject use haldol elderly organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 32 lawrence curcio \( lc2b andrew cmu edu \) wrote 've seen people forties fifties become disoriented demented hospital stays examples 've seen , drugs definitely involved father turned vegetable short time hospital fifty three time , 21 separate medications family protested , doctors adamant , telling us none drugs interact even took attitude , disoriented , put something else well ! help md friend family , medication discontinued seizure night , put back one drug two days later , old self guess n't many medical texts address subject 21 way interactions saw thing happen father , less validate take hospitals seems medical science understands precious little taking care human machine drugs given response symptoms \( guess makes sense since studies validate effectiveness drugs based narrow assessment degree particular symptoms \) seems little appreciation well person outside numbers appear test watched dad wither away lose huge amounts body fat muscles tissue hospital something little crazy system attention paid giving every latest drug available attention paid whether enough eat prevent loss muscle tissue really , really bizarre estes internet westes netcom com
col hp com \( denis lambert \) subject comments gateway 's nomad organization hp colorado springs division lines 13 nntp posting host la col hp com looking getting laptop work trying decide gateway 's nomad price , gateway significantly better performance \( 200mb vs 120mb hard drive , 50mhz 486dx2 vs 25mhz \) much cheaper accessories \( extra batteries , modem \) concern gateway durability reliability anyone experience gateway nomad \? thanks , denis lambert col hp com
ladasky netcom com \( john j ladasky ii \) subject atari 1040 sell trade pc organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 48 considering selling atari 1040 purchasing ibm need know kind money trade expect get atari bother start graduate school , means i'm poor ! \( 's price list used rec music makers synth , equivalent list computers \) system tailor made midi musician details follow atari 1040 st tos 1 0 1 mb ram 720k floppy drive 20 mb external scsi drive , 18 months old 12 atari monochrome monitor generic 2400 baud external modem software software registered comes manuals passport 's master tracks pro , version 2 5 \( sequencing software \) dr 's professional \( scoring software \) first word \( word processor pd version \) 's laser c , version 2 0 \( programming language \) vip professional \( spreadsheet package low tech lotus clone \) partner st \( desk accessory integrated calendar , , etc \) 's easy draw \( early , pre postscript release \) \( improved desktop atari st \) universal iii \( improved file selector atari st \) miscellaneous software \( including communications software \) consider prices 900 also willing trade atari system quality \( 386 486 \) pc , including lap tops pc hardware , complete system may necessary john j ladasky ii \( ii \) ladasky netcom com great borrow talking music like steal john ladasky dancing architecture \( quote stolen , elvis costello \? laurie stole statement made anderson \? frank zappa \? pablo picasso painting , stole \) property theft groucho man w charity heart music \? confucius
vm cmp ilstu edu subject wanted playboy campus girls issues organization illinois state university lines 5 i'm looking buy annual playboy magazine issue featuring girls colleges around us , want issues 1989 , 1990 , 1991 1992 one features girl went high school , i'm curious see turned help appreciated
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject books sale ! ! ! make offer ! ! ! nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 25 someone please buy books ! ! ! ! ! asking much ! ! ! ! ! ! make offer probably take ! ! ! ! ! writing good software fortran , graham smith holt handbook kirszner mandell \( copyright 1986 \) 720 page writing guide general chemistry principles modern applications , r petrucci , fourth edition big book ! good condition ! solutions manual chemistry book paperback study guide chemistry book paperback send offers via email 02106 chopin udel edu sam 02106 chopin udel edu
arens isi edu \( yigal arens \) subject arrest adl case organization usc information sciences institute lines 105 distribution world nntp posting host grl isi edu los angeles times , saturday , may 8 , 1993 page figure adl spy case arrested f airport espionage former police officer taken custody upon arriving philippines , fled fbi interrogation warren , times staff writer san francisco former san francisco police officer fled philippines amid accusations confidential law enforcement information investigator anti defamation league arrested airport 11 felony charges , police said friday thomas j gerard abruptly left united states october fbi questioned activities , thursday night source philippines told investigators gerard returning home gerard , 50 , booked san francisco county jail early friday morning eight counts theft government documents one count computer theft , conspiracy convicted charges , gerard could face 16 years prison 40 , 000 fines bail initially set 250 , 000 police argued flight risk , later reduced 20 , 000 friend gerard trying post bail late friday afternoon , sheriff 's spokeswoman said gerard returned united missed wife child , lived sausalito , wanted day court , said police john willett , former boss one two arresting officers gerard , undercover agent central intelligence agency 1982 1985 , also feared cia kill , willett said interview times last month , gerard threatened disclose illegal cia support death squads central america indicted tried san francisco spying charges gerard central figure scandal intelligence network operated anti defamation league , prominent jewish civil rights organization investigators gerard illegally gave criminal histories roy bullock , san francisco art dealer said undercover adl intelligence operative 40 years investigators said found confidential police files bullock 's home computer contained entries 10 , 000 people 950 groups boxes apartment files also seized search warrants adl offices san francisco los angeles authorities disclosed contents gerard could reached comment friday , attorney , james , return telephone calls seeking comment interview times last month , however , gerard acknowledged snooping sharing information bullock , denied criminal wrongdoing bullock gerard also investigation selling intelligence south africa adl officials described bullock 550 week independent contractor vigorously denied knowledge illegal activity friday , adl lawyer said gerard 's arrest nothing adl , comment case arab american groups main target spying , according police applauded arrest pressed authorities pursue investigation urge investigators carry case forward publicly disclose full extent adl law enforcement involvement , said james , head arab american institute washington police , meanwhile , characterized gerard 's arrest first inquiry spying scandal unexpected breakthrough former police colleague gerard , inspector fred , visited gerard several weeks ago urged return home knew would n't want live island lam forever , n't think would happen quickly , willett said development really speeds timetable case 25 year career police force , gerard highly regarded officer known work department 's intelligence division last assignment gang task force fbi agents questioned gerard last fall , took early retirement fled remote jungle island , 300 miles south gerard arrested 8 40 p stepped philippines airlines flight traveling alone looked six month , police said surprised saw us standing , got shocked look face , willett said said , , i'm back ' yigal arens usc isi tv made ! arens isi edu
chuck mks com \( chuck lownie \) subject leafs vs wings organization mortice kern systems inc , waterloo , ontario , canada lines 18 article hydra gatech edu gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) writes article 1993apr22 mks com chuck mks com \( chuck lownie \) writes potvin way played well kept toronto game last night 5 penalties first period making great saves , end getting second guy gaa 6 00 playoffs , 's played well \? \? \? joke watch games \? \? \? \?
subject rawlins debunks creationism rfox charlie usd edu \( rich fox , univ south dakota \) reply rfox charlie usd edu organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines 33 article bdi lll winken llnl gov , dk imager \( dave knapp \) writes article sunfish usd edu rfox charlie usd edu writes simply put , evolution creation looked properly theory fact vs assertion fiction specific example exactly separates reason science nonsense although agree creation nonsense , submit making mistake creationists commonly previous posts , think engaging fallacy false dichotomy consistently characterized science religion rationalism nonsense , fact latter form complete set options neither former , matter wish semi explicit linking evolution called rational atheism could avoided gives creationists fuel often repeated evolution leads atheism dave , dave , take great misrepresentation sense made jump creation \( science \) religion \( see \) characterized science creation science rationalism nonsense , people promote religious beliefs science become nonsense kept belong meaningful useful , virtually tell , said several times group works way , , repeatedly said never said meant anything different , elsewhere , n't think communication skills presume offend people 's spiritual sensibilities , would hope others would mine rich fox , anthro , usouthdakota
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject alt atheism faq atheist resources summary books , addresses , music anything related atheism keywords faq , atheism , books , music , fiction , addresses , contacts expires thu , 27 may 1993 14 07 43 gmt distribution world organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk supersedes mantis co uk lines 303 archive name atheism resources alt atheism archive name resources last modified 5 april 1993 version 1 1 atheist resources addresses atheist organizations usa freedom religion foundation darwin fish bumper stickers assorted atheist paraphernalia available freedom religion foundation us write , p box 750 , madison , wi telephone \( 608 \) 256 8900 evolution designs evolution designs sell darwin fish 's fish symbol , like ones christians stick cars , feet word darwin written inside deluxe 3d plastic fish 4 95 us write evolution designs , laurel canyon 4 , north hollywood , ca people san francisco bay area get darwin fish lynn gold try mailing netcom com net people go lynn directly , price 4 95 per fish set free atheist stickers , shirts books write set free , p box 192 , garden grove , ca american atheist press aap publish various atheist books critiques bible , lists biblical contradictions , one book bible handbook w p ball g w foote american atheist press 372 pp isbn 0 26 4 , 2nd edition , 1986 bible contradictions , absurdities , atrocities , immoralities contains ball , foote bible contradicts , aap based king james version bible write american atheist press , p box , austin , tx cameron road , austin , tx telephone \( 512 \) 458 1244 fax \( 512 \) 467 prometheus books sell books including 's holy horrors \( see \) write 700 east amherst street , buffalo , new york telephone \( 716 \) 837 2475 alternate address \( may newer older \) prometheus books , 59 glenn drive , buffalo , ny 14228 2197 african americans humanism organization promoting black secular humanism uncovering history black publish quarterly newsletter , examiner write norm r allen , jr , african americans humanism , p box 664 , buffalo , ny united kingdom press association national secular society 88 high street 702 holloway road london n1 london 071 226 071 272 british humanist association south place ethical society 14 lamb 's conduit passage conway hall london red lion square 071 430 london fax 071 430 071 831 national secular society publish , monthly magazine founded 1881 germany ibka e v bund der und postfach 880 , 1000 berlin 41 germany ibka publish journal miz \( und zur zeit journal der und ibka e v \) miz , postfach 880 , 1000 berlin 41 germany atheist books , write , b der postfach , 3000 hannover 1 germany telephone 0511 books fiction thomas santa claus compromise short story ultimate proof santa exists characters events fictitious similarity living dead gods uh , well walter miller , jr one gem post atomic doomsday novel monks spent lives copying saint , filling sheets paper ink leaving white lines letters edgar davy post atomic doomsday novel set clerical states church , example , forbids anyone produce , describe use substance containing atoms philip k dick philip k dick dick wrote many philosophical thought provoking short stories novels stories bizarre times , wrote mainly sf , wrote people , truth religion rather technology although often believed met sort god , remained sceptical amongst novels , following relevance galactic pot healer fallible alien deity summons group earth women remote planet raise giant cathedral beneath oceans deity begins demand faith earthers , pot healer joe unable comply polished , ironic amusing novel maze death noteworthy description technology based religion hero searches hidden mysteries gnostic christianity reality fired brain pink laser beam unknown possibly divine origin accompanied dogmatic atheist friend assorted odd characters divine invasion god invades earth making young woman pregnant returns another star system unfortunately terminally ill , must assisted dead man whose brain wired 24 hour easy listening music margaret atwood 's tale story based premise us congress mysteriously assassinated , fundamentalists quickly take charge nation set right book diary woman 's life tries live new christian women 's right property revoked , bank accounts closed sinful luxuries outlawed , radio used readings bible crimes punished doctors performed legal abortions old world hunted hanged atwood 's writing style difficult get used first , tale grows chilling goes various authors bible somewhat dull rambling work often criticized however , probably worth reading , 'll know fuss exists many different versions , make sure get one true version books non fiction peter de rosa christ , bantam press , 1988 although de rosa seems christian even catholic history papal immoralities , , fallacies etc \( german translation die des , , 1989 \) michael martin atheism philosophical justification , temple university press , philadelphia , usa detailed scholarly justification atheism contains outstanding appendix defining terminology usage \( necessarily \) tendentious area argues negative atheism \( e non belief existence god \( \) \) also positive atheism \( belief non existence god \( \) \) includes great refutations challenging arguments god particular attention paid refuting theists swinburne 541 pages isbn 0 642 3 \( hardcover paperback also available \) case christianity , temple university press comprehensive critique christianity , considers best contemporary christianity \( ultimately \) demonstrates incoherent 273 pages isbn 0 767 5 james turner without god , without creed , johns hopkins university press , baltimore , md , usa origins unbelief america examines way unbelief \( whether agnostic atheistic \) became mainstream alternative world view period 1900 , considering france britain emphasis american , particularly new england developments neither religious history atheism , without god , without creed , rather , intellectual history fate single idea , belief god exists 316 pages isbn \( hardcover \) 0 x \( paper \) 0 4 george \( editor \) great thoughts , books , new york , usa dictionary quotations different kind , concentrating statements writings , explicitly implicitly , present person 's philosophy world view includes obscure \( often suppressed \) opinions many people popular observations , traces way various people expressed twisted idea centuries quite number quotations derived cardiff 's great men think religion views religion 490 pages isbn \( paper \) 0 345 x richard swinburne existence god \( revised edition \) , , oxford book second volume began coherence theism \( 1977 \) concluded faith reason \( 1981 \) work , swinburne attempts construct series inductive arguments existence god arguments , somewhat tendentious rely upon late 20th century western christian values aesthetics god supposedly simple conceived , decisively rejected mackie 's miracle theism revised edition existence god , swinburne includes appendix makes somewhat incoherent attempt rebut mackie j l mackie miracle theism , oxford \( \) volume contains comprehensive review principal arguments existence god ranges classical philosophical positions descartes , anselm , berkeley , et al , moral arguments newman , kant , recent classical swinburne also addresses positions push concept god beyond realm rational , kierkegaard , kung philips , well replacements god 's book delight read less better written martin 's works , direct compared hand waving swinburne james holy horrors illustrated history religious murder madness , prometheus books looks religious persecution ancient times present day christians library congress catalog card number 89 1990 norm r allen , jr african american humanism anthology see listing african americans humanism gordon stein anthology atheism rationalism , prometheus books anthology covering wide range subjects , including 'the devil , evil morality' 'the history comprehensive bibliography edmund cohen mind bible believer , prometheus books study people become christian fundamentalists , effect george h smith atheism case god , prometheus books describes positions atheism , theism agnosticism reviews many arguments used favour existence god concludes assessment impact god people 's lives net resources 's small mail based archive server mantis co uk carries archives old alt atheism moderated articles assorted files information , send mail archive server mantis co uk saying help send atheism index mail back reply mathew
hpfcso fc hp com \( victor johnson \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk organization dances hawks lines 16 rec motorcycles , rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) writes decide windy ride \? bugs side helmet instead semis side ditch ca n't see road rolling past airborne sand gravel paint job happening middle wonderful well , 87 mph cheers ,
physik uni kl de \( thomas kettenring \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization fb physik , universitaet kaiserslautern , germany lines 23 article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes 've seen creation vs evolution several times question either point view derived direct observation either scientific \? wonder whole controversy concerned consequences truth rather truth sides seem hold philosophical outcome , ca n't help wondering came first 've pointed elsewhere , view human nature makes believe way knowing objectively knowledge inherently subjective , context , would take stand based actually know true want true tell difference \? translation paragraph uninformed evidence evolution please send talk origins faqs subject thomas kettenring , 3 dan , kaiserslautern , germany johannes , greatest european philosopher 9th century , said reason authority conflict , reason given preference n't sound reasonable , 'll accept
ptorre hardy u washington edu \( phil torre \) subject drive array leds \? article shelley distribution world organization university washington , seattle lines 8 nntp posting host hardy u washington edu project mind requires array leds addressed individually microprocessor \( say , \) lsi designed drive led array \( including ram hold array state \) , failing , way multiplexing display n't latch bit led using discrete latch \? \( want avoid huge board covered possible ! \) thanks advance phil torre \( ptorre u washington edu \)
utkvx utk edu \( lo , \) subject harddrive news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 11 anyone know add additional internal hard drive mac iisi replace already existing ! think hooking internal drive together ways add internal harddrive beside replacement n't external harddrive i'm open suggestions please response address thanks internet utkvx utk edu bitnet utkvx
kliegel key amdahl com \( james kliegel \) subject crypto organization amdahl advanced systems lines 24 distribution world reply kliegel key amdahl com nntp posting host key amdahl com came read faq purchased recommended books , taken heart advice one knows nothing crypto without done stint cryptanalyst , would like correspond people interested cryptology working implementing cryptanalyst 's workbench example 's applications hope start sending ciphers back forth us practice cracking would like start simple 's ciphers progress roughly according david kahn 's book course would interested general discussions math also hope foriegn test response time men suits 've hearing much unfortunately product american education system know english looking forward responses james james kliegel kliegel key amdahl com \( 510 \) 623
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization university westminster lines 3 v16 anyone \? anyone heard v16t \? \? \? mainly sold middle east dont strict legislation usa ec
grant dockmaster ncsc mil \( lynn r grant \) subject get keys organization yale cs mail news gateway lines 16 50 people far asked , fbi gets clipper keys , wo n't able read future past traffic \? response nist , nsa , ms denning , mr hellman , anyone else might able give us authoritative answer troubling n't nsa think \? feature , thought would n't notice \? would thought would responded something form , well , wo n't problem curious lynn grant
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization sgi lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr19 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) writes difference , understand , one , one shares risk venture , whereas bank lends money charging interest , bank takes little risk entire business bank management risk 's bank 's people work banks something like anyway \( financial stuff ai n't thing \) ok , case posting \? hear saying n't understand stuff , islam says 's , 's jon
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject hearing 29 april 1993 organization totally unorganized lines 143 article news mr net tis com \( theodore p lee \) writes article netcom com glenn tenney , tenney netcom com writes interest understand 29 april , mr markey holding hearing questions raised letter may also follow hearing dedicated clipper chip , 's definite glenn , thanks posting surprised notice , however , one question might expected asked forms strong encryption clipper made illegal \? speaking , anyone aware whether question asked knowledgeable official spokesperson government \? yet seen mentioned dozen places might reported , could easily missed please let us know get solid answer question legality strong cryptosystems far references seen weasel words \( plans future , etc \) , nothing could taken \( strong crypto outlawed \) heard \( verified \) crime bill congress language either requires escrow keys , regard systems public use , like strong cryptosystems trivially broken govt , without escrowed keys one cannot readily change \( read use permitted folks 'special' connections , government agencies \) either 'terrorist tools' dealers tools' outlawed specifically added civil forfeiture powers , clever wording , effectively outlawed intents purposes , idle speculation n't care , hit 'n' crypto effectively outlawed could done without specifically outlawing class crypto systems example , , hammers , screwdrivers , regarded tools' pretty much whim authorities , based primarily individual possessing car , etc trade makes routine use tools like manner , one 'legitimate \( gov't definition \) strong crypto software systems , caught using , might find possession 'terrorist tools' words , one working corporation extremely sensitive commercial data warrants \( fed 's opinion \) strong security , government agency , securing work related data , personal data , one likely nailed personal desire certainly regarded 'legitimate want strong security , especially 'legitimate law \? individual endeavors would concerned government business revealing personal secrets public must trying conceal planning conceal unlawful criminal activity something hide , hmmmm \? expect initially people selected either random , happen purposes think feds serious \( mega ' \( 's \) one asking 'right' privacy probably get response constitutional right privacy spelled \( argument used abortion debate \) right security 'legitimate law enforcement cannot \( suggested clipper press release \) , nutshell , find extremely frightening crypto systems , case , precident set , laying groundwork future privacy \( escrow safe deposit box keys keys combinations privately owned , \? \) cannot think better way make 'end around parts us constitution law cannot easily declared unconstitutional , specific law would simply minor extension rico statutes wod policies simple policy decision , like many gun regulations mainly batf policy decisions conversation fed agents would go something like gonna seize home , computers , car , bank account , \( n't give us yer clothes , unless floppy yer pocket \) connected acquisition , transport , use 'terrorist tools' dealers tools' part wod terrorism , ya decent american subject would noble causes note accusing wrong saying home , computers , car , bank assets connected wrong somehow housed , transported , funded 'terrorist tools' civil matter heh heh grin therefore , constitutional protection individual rights apply tainted property evil grin wish deposit bond , hire attorneys , go court prove innocence property \( 'terrorist tools' prove also dealers tools' \) , go ahead , problem ! 'course , bank assets seized , car , computer , home , \( probably job , \) less resources , might run minor practical difficulties grin going damned ballistic exactly logic goes someone gives home used store drugs note trace drugs need found property bozo say stored stuff dude 's house ' \( probably get 10 year sentence dealing \) much cost effective let walk , bust another day , hit assets ob disclaimer \( course \) ok , note lawyer , base speculations read heard told regarding past civil forfeiture cases , used augment budgets assorted agencies , get folks want left alone , wish put risky situation \( especially areas denied either meaningful police protection , means able even pretend defend , quite common back east , like nj , , nyc , wa dc , west ca \) people choice government boot , threats pissed drug dealing gang bangers helpless either case behind dude drops dime gain , behind feds wanting 'make civil forfeiture point , speculations way line , typical , , extension crypto anything feds regard seem reasonable \? \( guarantees , besides government promises \) \? none \? ted lee trusted information system , inc tis com po box 1718 , mn pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
roney sfu ca \( chris j roney \) subject babe v pride yankees organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 25 behrens cc swarthmore edu \( eric behrens \) writes babe pride yankees offer different ruth hitting home runs boy hospital historian explain history 's version story would n't put past either \( \) movies season truth little extra spice comments inaccuracies two movies \? good question ! kind wondered one thought babe pride yankees , made think \) version may closer truth , b \) babe must pretty good gut movie even though scenes n't make look completely flattering chris roney \( e mail chris roney sfu ca \)
gordons mon sps mot com \( gordon sasamori \) subject viewing postscript files x windows organization nippon motorola ltd , tokyo , japan lines 19 inmet camb inmet com camb inmet com \( george snyder \) writes article polaris isi com kin isi com \( kin cho \) writes wonder anybody know x window based postscript file viewer runs sunos \( prefered \) , hpux , ibm aix running sun openwindows , use pageview x window postscript previewer like ghostview , displays much nicer yes , 's broken ow 2 0 handle multiple pages well n't proper postscript commands draw entire document page instead pausing page n't tried ow 3 0 yet , though v 1 v 2 v 3 v 4 v 5 v 6 v 7 gordon sasamori mcu design \( email gordons ai sps mot com , nippon motorola ltd voice 81 \( 3 \) , fax 81 \( 3 \) \)
vxcrna cern ch subject jack morris organization cern european lab particle physics lines 19 franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes valentine \( , i'm going roger maynard complete total dickhead send e mail insist details \) fact , 's complete total dickhead least 2 newsgroups \( one rec sport hockey \) since hockey season almost , 's back dickhead r bb fact going suggest roger take way discussion r football pro kind hormone reasoning standard canadian , hockey , would suggested r h would work important thread everyone involved use body part produce post \( brain organ choice \) g cern ch
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject morality constant \( biblical rape \) organization decision support inc lines 87 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com response originally fell bit bucket i'm reposting bill n't think i'm ignoring article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes jim perry \( perry dsinc com \) wrote stuff biblical morality , though bill 's quote little goes say bill , i'm sorry busy lately getting around apparently fundamental atheism think many well addressed famous faq misplaced atheism need n't imply materialism , lack absolute moral system however , tend materialism n't believe absolute morality , 'll answer questions atheist judge value \? atheist judges value way theist according personal understanding morality n't believe absolute one n't mean n't one i'm explicit , line postings followed , express judgment moral issue basing judgment code rather claiming absolute sense good bad moral code particular different others around , christians , muslims , atheists say object genocide , i'm expressing anything particularly line society holds ask think morality exists form , answer would taste moral code prerequisite functioning society , humanity probably evolved morality know part evolution ability exist large societies , thereby achieving considerable survival advantages 'd probably say god made rules neither us convince , share common understanding many moral issues think get religion , think get \( get \) early childhood teaching n't like god told people says nothing god god 's commands , says electrical event nervous system created emotional state mind coupled pre existing thought set form reaction think 've reading wrong sort comic books , basically agree 're saying believe mental reactions god commanded genocide canaanites , course think 's true well reaction little whether god exists even whether think , god existed commanded genocide , could consider good , supposedly attribute god , excluded discussion values , right , wrong , , evil , etc cannot participate opinion bible weight whatsoever hmm yes , think heavy faq reading would good much place discussing values etc person fact , actually accomplish something discussion , framing questions terms reason instance , clear environment neighboring tribes periodically attempt wipe based imagined divine commands , quality life generally poor , system superior , quality life agreed goal absolutist , hand , thump portions bible happen agree , say good , even act question unequivocally bad standards everyone discussion attempt define someone group people excluded discussion , cannot participate , opinions given weight whatsoever lowest form reasoning \( ad hominem poisoning well \) , presumably resort someone ca n't rationally defend ideas right , wrong , bible jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee , jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
phj remus rutgers edu \( p ju \) subject yamaha vs honda opinions organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 20 nuet ke pts mot com \( keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 \) writes hte market new bike \( without years \) two main bikes i'm looking seriously yamaha virago 535 honda shadow 583 leaning towards yamaha shaft drive , honda chain insurance fla costly thought , staying power range thanks advance opinions experiences friend mine \( 's probably reading right \) bought new yamaha virago 750 spending 1 2 hours late one chilly evening watching struggle bolts \( remove right peg , loosen brake pedal , c c \) 've pretty much decided never get particular model unless someone else wants change oil filter compared 5 minute change used honda , design flaw oversight eyes patricia phj remus rutgers edu
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject question addressing nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 37 article skelly amiganet chi il us , skelly amiganet chi il us \( sean kelly \) writes question accessing certain addresses chip , particulary 27c512 eprom although n't know much , understand , 's pin chip , voltage applied , kicks address question determine many bytes address \? \? example , code want accessed 2000 also say 4000 move address pointer positions \? \? thanks info sean kelly sysop bbs \( 312 \) 594 1146 always looking classic video games following systems atari 2600 atari 5200 atari 5200 vectrex judging sig trying make kind game cartridge information build eeprom vectrex available via anonymous ftp since 've chosen 27c512 probably trying make simply 1 load game images eeprom 2000 , 4000 , etc \( eeprom burner software may allow assemble images one file suitable gaps \) 2 wire cartridge lower address bits going game console , high bits going switches choose games directly answer question , pin address' simply another address line concrete example , 27c512 8k games images , would wire a0 cartridge , a15 3 switches 3 switches would allow pick 8 games eeprom
menon boulder colorado edu \( ravi deantha menon \) subject angry doctor \? nntp posting host beagle colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution na lines 44 brandon nlm nih gov \( brandon \) writes mryan stsci edu writes justified pissed doctor \? last saturday evening 6 year old son cut finger badly knife took local urgent general care clinic 5 50 pm clinic open till 6 00 pm receptionist went back told good stuff drs idiocy ok , much hate , posting even better dr idiot story 18th hour labor , pushing 4 5 hours exhausted ob decided go ob called \( sp \? \) asked help prep surgery , watching go couple , anes \( anus like refer \) said , well , duty \( still staring legs \) ob asked go call whomever duty ask long would take going take minutes , please stay even though duty anes went , supposedly call call anes couple minutes nurse came running tell ob anes left without even trying get ahold call time labor swore call anes took 20 minutes get come find , anes gone duty \( 2 minutes \) technically supposed stay hospital next call got good thing us \( especially \) critical emergency boy would love knock fellow 's places let pain little minutes run dr idiots , mechanic idiots , clerk idiots etc idiots time , fellow would like words deantha
hamilton edu \( mary \) subject faq group organization hamilton college clinton , ny distribution na lines 22 could someone please tell access faq group \? i'm relatively new , would like read , although 've seen mentioned , 've yet see posted archived somewhere someone post group regular basis \? , distributed demand \? 'd appreciate help anyone give thanks advance mary p please respond via email articles expire within 24 hours mail system , n't always get chance read everything thanks mary hamilton edu go rangers ! ! ! ! \( next year , course \( \)
davet interceptor cds tek com \( dave tharp cds \) subject need parts info 1963 scooter organization tektronix colorado data systems , englewood , co lines 32 article slack sim es com slack sim es com \( pete \) writes also looking brakes info existing shoes vintage brakes 176 ave newbury park , ca \( 805 \) 498 types obsolete motorcycle brake shoes material also owners anywhere contact place try register grover place , la \( club types two wheeled german equipment , including periodically see ads scooter stuff newsletter \) dave tharp dod 0751 ca n't wear davet interceptor cds tek com mra 151 indian scout , '88 k75s '48 indian chief ahrma 751 brother chief '75 r90s \( 151 \) '72 tr 2b \( 751 \) ama 524737 're built like rocks '65 r50 2 velorex '57 nsu max take knocks , 1936 bmw r12 \( compulsive 's harleys employer idea joiner \) give grief
organization university maine system always fanatical patrick ellis maine maine edu subject 1993 nhl draft 1993apr20 newshub ariel yorku ca 1993apr21 csd newshost stanford edu lines 19 san jose get kariya ya know kind funny cause 've seen kariya campus sharks hat pat ellis p go bruins go umaine black bears 42 1 2 number 1 hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya , hobey baker award winner ncaa div 1 hockey tournament champions ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! n e !
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject teflon \( long term human missions organization express access online communications usa lines 18 nntp posting host access digex net article techbook techbook com techbook techbook com \( dan \) writes material useful seals , major problem , say linings vessels would n't stick metal space program find way get stick thus stick market late full professor clarkson university , last heard , developed process sticking teflon metals n't think nasa project , cuz heard held patent , made quite bundle anyone clarkson know exact story never wanted ask pat
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject free moral agency nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 distribution na lines 40 dean kaflowitz \( decay cbnewsj cb att com \) wrote think 're letting atheist mythology great start realize immediately interested discussion going thump babble would much prefer answer ms healy , seems reasonable reasoned approach things say , n't creationist guy made lot silly statements evolution time ago \? duh , gee , must talking christian mythology hoping discuss something reasonable , logical person , seem side repetition boring mythology 've seen thousand times deleting rest remarks , unless spot something approaches answer , merely repetition doctrine contain thought congratulate , though , bill would n't know logical argument bit balls persistent lack function face repeated attempts assist learning \( seen forum others past \) speaks talent goes well beyond , meager abilities n't seem capacity ignoring outside influences dean kaflowitz dean , read comments , think merely characterizing argument refuting \? think ad attacks sufficient make point disapproval \? contribution make \? bill
car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) subject , xxxx , mean police officers read stuff \? organization summary ah , youth ! lines 61 article earth cs utexas edu , mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) writes article 1993apr23 dsd es com bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article earth cs utexas edu mcguire cs utexas edu \( tommy marcus mcguire \) writes hey , hell mean \? suck god given right express opinions , carry gun wear helmet , goddamn everything stand stupid 'd give 0 5 scale 10 analysis hints deleted aw , c'mon serious overreaction ought worth couple points , mention bit condemning everthing might ever say non sequitur guns helmets proper flourish nope flames interesting around , guns helmets wallpaper personally opinion two types good flames first trade , '' sense mention , heat certain surprise value done correctly , contend done , reasonably entertaining everyone rec easily amused blaine , elder , seen peaks \( depths , prefer \) sort incendiary backdrop , 0 5 purest act charity true flame posted mention anyone 's habitual velocity , friends , dinner , entertainment , says needs appropriate short weakness type flame actually easily taken far , point becomes trite boring unless , course , audience seen several thousand similarly attempts arena case , trite boring threshold tends drift away first set , , eventually \( \) type flame , seem glorifying , blah , blah , blah summary , blaine , score flame incorrect may flame , weaknesses point necessarily weaknesses , suggested corrections always useful applicable flame blaine 's internet port io close \( \) , position lecture , also probably could n't outrun tennis ball dog posterior , 'll bet motorcycle lean outside turning goes anyone looks like , oh please \( yawn \) , 're slipping scale successive attempt 's embarrassing watch say , 're waco , \? chuck rogers car377 torreys att com
cmtan iss nus sg \( tan chade meng dan \) subject christianity logic \( xtian morality \) organization institute systems science , nus x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 59 article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic rely simply reason never know heard arguement xtian friend similar christianity higher logic athiest like u able understand atheist logic low thru faith understand higher logic god asked , higher logic \? answer , n't know , posting highlights one worst things xtainity abundantly clear atheists believe illogical irrational tactics , therefore disregard logic rationality altogether silly excuses ones , u trust science , science invented man ! , goes show weakness religion country xtainity still rapidly growing , never try convert people appealing brains senses know would fruitless act , given irrational nature faith would wait person distress , would comfort addict emotional never life met person converted xtainity 's reasonable rationality place xtainity \( see xtian arguement reason \) unenlightened one tan chade meng wise man tells wife understands singapore cmtan iss nus sg fool tries prove unenlightened one tan chade meng wise man tells wife understands singapore cmtan iss nus sg fool tries prove
wiesel elisha yale edu \( elisha wiesel \) subject info colonics purification \? organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu recently 've come upon body literature promotes colon cleansing vital aid preventive medicine nutrition particular , dr bernard book colon cleansing health longevity title actually escapes , similar claims regular self administered colonics , along certain orally ingested debris agents , immune system significant degree also plugs unique appliance called board , facilitates self administration colonics sells 100 california based company also plugs tox products chemical agents choice include volcanic ash , supposedly electrical charge , powder , anyone knows anything colon cleansing theory , particulars , board related products , 'd interested hear research personal experience article crossposted alt magick issue touches upon fasting cleansing ritual system purification eli ! wiesel cs yale edu elisha wiesel , davenport college '94 yale university ! ! wiesel minerva cis yale edu \( 203 \) 436 1338 school \( 212 \) 371 home !
edb tih \( terje , \) subject switch settings 38 reply edb tih posting front end conference v 92 05 15 1 20 \( running ms windows \) lines 13 hi ! recently got hold old obsolete pc first thing trying , making work seems switches back since last used , manual anybody help identify beast , mail switch settings \? know 38 , made 1986 , likely 286 , 4 77 8 mhz , looks like changes made information would appreciated terje trondheim college engineering , norway conscience became bad died
mcgoy unicorn acs ttu edu \( david mcgaughey \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization texas tech university lines 9 seeing william sessions television , explaining great lengths fbi went determine suicidal david koresh , got feeling koresh manipulated fbi 's perceptions much way manipulated followers maybe manipulated news story david mcgaughey texas tech university
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject cherry help , organization university toronto chemistry department lines 36 article mfpirbo00wbli1ispc andrew cmu edu william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like ass let know maybe i'm missing something complain cherry , wonder popular reply dick vitale john madden bobby knight joe howard john madden picks gary clark madden team lot , much better receivers much reasons cherry sings praises doug gilmour little guy heart yet one n't see string american posts saying john madden lost marbles dick vitale always promoting kid high school college outrageous statements americans expect canada would characters relation greatest passion hockey \? canadians similar americans culturally sports hockey , whereas americans football basketball baseball bowling gerald
athmail1 causeway qub ac uk subject christianity repeated lives organization utexas mail news gateway lines 38 paragraph new testament opinion , clearly makes positive inference reincarnation n't remember one top head , basically goes like jesus talking apostles ask pharisees say messiah come elijah must first come jesus replies elijah come , recognize says apostles perceived refering john baptist seems clearly imply reincarnation popular belief judaism time , elijah would return \( taken heaven chariot actually die \) however jesus referring john baptist sense elijah john \( remember elijah didn`t die \) john similar prophet elijah john fiery preacher , wore wandered rough israel preaching coming kingdom verses describe \( gospel \) linked ot references elijah hence john similar elijah jesus drawing parallels two drew parallels suffering servant isaiah \( messianic figures \) brief reply don`t time look relevant stuff suffice say strong explanation rick richard johnston university 73 road northern ireland athmail1 causeway qub ac uk
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject mothership flybys cutting costs organization u toronto zoology lines 22 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes design mother ship piggy backed probes different missions , namely different planets useful unless 've got truly wonderful propulsion system mother ship ca n't applied probes otherwise 's better simply launch probes independently outer planets scattered widely across two dimensional solar system , going one seldom helpful going next one uranus way neptune n't judge interplanetary trajectories general voyagers exploited lineup occurs every couple centuries , even voyager 2 took rather indirect route neptune also mother ship would powered \( mars mission \) normal propulsion , also solar sail solar sails pretty useless outer solar system 're also slow , unless assume quite advanced versions svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
rexlex fnal fnal gov subject arsenokoitai 2 bailey boswell organization fnal ad net lines 184 continuing dr deyoung 's article survey new interpretations arsenokoitai bailey bailey perhaps new meaning arsenokoitai takes term cor 6 9 males actively engage homosexual acts , contrast malakoi \( effeminate \) , engage passively acts 4 however , insists paul knew nothing inversion inherited trait , inherent condition due psychological causes , consequently regards homosexual practice evidence perversion \( 38 \) hence bailey limits term 's reference paul 's works acts alone modern translations term homosexuals bailey wants distinguish homosexual condition \( morally neutral \) homosexual practices italics source paul precise terminology moffatt 's translation sodomites best represents paul 's meaning bailey 's judgment \( 39 \) bailey clearly denies homosexual condition known biblical writers j boswell influential study arsenokoitai among contemporary authors john boswell 5 whereas usual translation 6 term gives either explicitly implicitly active sense , boswell gives passive sense extended discussion term \( 341 53 \) , cites linguistic evidence common sense support conclusion word means male sexual agents , e active male prostitutes argument arseno part word , object koitai refers base sexual activity hence term , according boswell , designates male sexual person male prostitute acknowledges , however , interpret composite term active , meaning sleep , make bed , men boswell bases interpretation linguistics historical setting argues compounds , \( child learner \) , subject , others , \( child passes \) , neither subject object simply modifier without verbal significance point compound must individually analyzed meaning directly , maintains compounds attic form employ objectively hellenistic arseno use adjective \( 343 \) yet admits exceptions distinction regarding boswell next appeals latin time , namely male prostitutes men women objects greek arsenokoitai equivalent latin corresponding passive would \( one lies beside \) , boswell affirms claims arsenokoitai explicit word available paul male prostitute , since paul 's time attic words \( \) \( one committing fornication \) , found also lxx , adopted refer men resorted female prostitutes simply committed fornication 7 absence term pagan writers herodotus , plato , aristotle , plutarch , jewish writers philo josephus , boswell finds even convincing evidence affirmation arsenokoitai even time paul \( 346 \) 8 also demonstrates absence pseudo , , subsequently finds lacking discussions homosexual relation \( 346 \) 9 among christian sources greek , including , , justin martyr , eusebius , 10 clement alexandria , gregory , john chrysostom chrysostom singled omission final proof word could mean homosexuality 11 boswell next appeals omission texts cor tim discussions homosexuality among latin church fathers \( 348 \) 12 cited tertullian , , , augustine last named uses latin writers include , , felix term also lacking state church legislation sixth century term became confused applied variety sexual activities child molesting anal intercourse husband wife \( 353 \) surveyed sources , boswell concludes , reason believe either arsenokoitai malakoi homosexuality time paul centuries thereafter , every reason suppose , whatever came mean , christian opinion morality homosexual acts \( 353 \) clear throughout boswell defines arsenokoitai refer male prostitutes even goes far conclude paul would probably disapprove gay inclination , gay relationships , enduring love persons gender , sex \( 112 , 166 17 \) 4 bailey , homosexuality western christian tradition \( london 1975 \) 38 5 j boswell , christianity , social tolerance homosexuality \( chicago 1980 \) 6 several tim 1 10 kjv , defile mankind asv , abusers men nasb , homosexuals rsv , nkjv , nrsv , sodomites neb , niv , perverts gnb , sexual perverts cor 6 9 occur kjv , abusers mankind asv , abusers men nasb , rsv , homosexuals nkjv , sodomites neb , homosexual rsv neb derive translation two greek words , malakoi arsenokoitai homosexual perverts nrsv two words male prostitutes text , sodomites footnote active idea among commentators well primary assumption 7 boswell , christianity 344 yet word available paul male prostitute , occur literature prior paul \( thesaurus using confirms \) paul coined term , would prior history , discussion lack usage contemporary non christian christian literature meaningless 8 would expected paul coined word 9 key phrase apparently , boswell admits later \( 350 n 42 \) occurs quotes paul discussion context hence implication cannot tell writer \( polycarp philippian 5 3 ad 1 2 , 2 14 2 282 cyril alexandria 14 2 13 \) meant yet polycarp , apostle died 155 , argues context young men pure uses three terms , malakoi , arsenokoitai paul 's list least makes boswell 's use subjective apparently clement alexandria 3 11 3 18 also belong 10 yet eusebius uses 1 11 either boswell misrepresenting facts chrysostom 's use arsenokoitai form \( 20 \) vice lists cor 6 tim 1 , begging question denying word mean homosexual chrysostom uses yet meaning arsenokoitai goal study , whether lists discussions boswell later admits \( 351 \) chrysostom uses almost form commentary cor although boswell suggests passage strange , may paul seeking make refinement arsenokoitai 12 apparently jerome significant omission , since renders arsenokoitai , corresponding almost exactly greek \( 348 n 36 \) footnotes 5 bailey , homosexuality western christian tradition \( london 1975 \) 38 6 j boswell , christianity , social tolerance homosexuality \( chicago 1980 \) several tim 1 10 kjv , defile mankind asv , abusers men nasb , homosexuals rsv , nkjv , nrsv , sodomites neb , niv , perverts gnb , sexual perverts cor 6 9 occur kjv , abusers mankind asv , abusers men nasb , rsv , homosexuals nkjv , sodomites neb , homosexual rsv neb derive translation two greek words , malakoi arsenokoitai homosexual perverts nrsv two words male prostitutes text , sodomites footnote active idea among commentators well primary assumption 7 boswell , christianity 344 yet word available paul male prostitute , occur literature prior paul \( thesaurus using confirms \) paul coined term , would prior history , discussion lack usage contemporary non christian christian literature meaningless 8 would expected paul coined word 9 key phrase apparently , boswell admits later \( 350 n 42 \) occurs quotes paul discussion context hence implication cannot tell writer \( polycarp philippian 5 3 ad 1 2 , 2 14 2 282 cyril alexandria 14 2 13 \) meant yet polycarp , apostle died 155 , argues context young men pure uses three terms , malakoi , arsenokoitai paul 's list least makes boswell 's use subjective apparently clement alexandria 3 11 3 18 also belong 10 yet eusebius uses 1 11 either boswell misrepresenting facts chrysostom 's use arsenokoitai form \( 20 \) vice lists cor 6 tim 1 , begging question denying word mean homosexual chrysostom uses yet meaning arsenokoitai goal study , whether lists discussions boswell later admits \( 351 \) chrysostom uses almost form commentary cor although boswell suggests passage strange , may paul seeking make refinement arsenokoitai 12 apparently jerome significant omission , since renders arsenokoitai , corresponding almost exactly greek \( 348 n 36 \) next r scroggs
sherman unx sas com \( chris sherman \) subject povray tga rle nntp posting host unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 77 gec st james comp vuw ac nz craig humphrey comp vuw ac nz \( craig andrew humphrey \) writes article pageboy cs utexas edu , jhpark cs utexas edu \( park \) writes hello , problem converting tga file \( generated povray \) rle file convert , get warning message use xloadimage getx11 , something wrong edited know need install ppmtorle , spend time install even want generate rgb povray convert rle , possible \( rgb rle works , mess directory many files , needs 2 steps finally convert rle file say cat \) body experience problems \? well starters , use rle files \? exactly n't want mess tga rle wrote following script need standard set pbm utilities script pov jpg converter run like 1280 1024 fred pov need modify path 's script reflect put povray include files problem disk space , use named pipes instead temporary files hope find useful ! bin sh lt 3 echo usage 0 width height pov options exit fi width 1 height 2 3 shift 3 `echo sed e \( \) pov 1 ` cd afs rnd sas com u sherman pov build povray l afs rnd sas com u sherman pov include tmp data w width h height fr echo width height tmp data grn tmp green width height tmp data red tmp red width height tmp data tmp blue tmp red tmp green tmp blue cjpeg jpg rm tmp red tmp green tmp blue tmp data grn tmp data red tmp data echo wrote output jpg chris sherman sherman unx sas com
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ghelf violet berkeley edu \( \) subject soyuz shuttle comparisons organization university california , berkeley lines 11 nntp posting host violet berkeley edu guys talking soviet shuttle \? 's soyuz , 's called means snow storm \( least 's call russian tv \) gavin uc berkeley political science berkeley stanford program soviet studies ghelf violet berkeley edu
bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) subject saudi clergy condemns debut human rights group ! keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues , politics organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 101 article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes looks like ben baz 's mind heart also blind , eyes used respect , today lost minimal amount respect struggled keep muslim netters guy gave fatwah saudi arabia used united attack iraq attacking iraqis drive kuwait , country whose citizens close blood business ties saudi citizens thinks us helped iraqis would swallowed saudi arabia , \( least eastern \) muslim country much anything help liberate kuwait protect saudi arabia indeed , masses citizens demonstrating favor butcher saddam \( killed lotsa muslims \) , killing , raping , looting relatively rich muslims also thumbing nose west would defended saudi arabia rolled back iraqi invasion , charge saudi arabia \? \? \? fatwah legitimate one kind clergy , might islamic duty separate religion politics , religion means official clergy think good idea governments official religion \( de facto de \) , human nature like , ambitious always ones rise power many people world \( country \) citizens really know leader really devout slick operator cairo , egypt \( upi \) cairo based arab organization human rights \( aohr \) thursday welcomed last week committee defense legal rights saudi arabia said necessary groups operating arab countries make sound like guys angels , ilyess \( clarinet posting edited stuff following \? \? \? \) friday 's new york times reported group definitely conservative even sheikh baz followers \( think house saud rule country conservatively enough \) nyt reported , besides complaining government conservative enough , asserted \( approx 500 , 000 \) kingdom , charge saudi \( islamic \) law brings death penalty diplomatic guy \( sheikh bin \) , n't ilyess \? called severe punishment 40 women drove public back protest ban women driving guy group said , al , said women fired jobs , jailed , prostitutes want see happen , ilyess \? 've heard many muslims say ban women driving basis qur'an , , etc yet folks like ban , want women falsely called prostitutes \? , 'd choose heroes wisely , ilyess , rally behind anyone hates anyone hate say women allowed work say tv radio immoral kingdom , house saud neither least favorite government earth think restrict religious political lot , among things think likely replacements going lot worse citizens country think house saud feeling heat lately last six months 've read stepped \( religious police government \) western women fully veiled \( something stupid women , imo , sends wrong signals morality \) 've read 've cracked , home based religious , even posted rewards \( government owned \) newspapers offering money anyone turns group dare worship homes secret place government grown even intolerant try take wind sails conservative opposition things , 're small taste would happen guys overthrow house saud , like 're trying long run really \( others general west evil zionists rule hate west puppet crowd \) want , ilyess \? dave bakken president fine job , problem n't know husband james \( clinton campaign \) , 2 93 oh , please call daddy mom 's far busy chelsea nurse , , 2 93
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khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale hayes 2400 external modem \( personal modem \) mac organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 6 nntp posting host aludra usc edu sale hayes 2400 personal modem \( external \) macintosh really nice small think plugs directly power plug two long cables , phone macintosh get back interested offer thanks advance khoh usc edu
troi cc rochester edu \( david sewell \) subject water bio availability organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 19 nntp posting host troi cc rochester edu anyone know either , two combination , reduce body 's ability make use available water \? kind odd experience group hike recently , becoming 9 hours rigorous hiking despite brought 1 1 2 gallons water \( c 6 liters \) drank close twice much anyone else , one else dehydrated n't think general physical condition issue , since least middle pack terms general , far could tell may plain need water people wondering might things took couple tablets hike control asthma \( 24 mg , 100 mg \) gather drugs i'm wondering mean reduce body 's ability utilize available water \? would particularly stupid thing take medication hot weather exercise \? \( always assumed meant lot , n't case yesterday \)
dale adams gateway qm apple com \( dale adams \) subject quadra 950 marginal video \? organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , ca lines 32 article 1993apr23 1967 galileo cc rochester edu carlo merlin cvs rochester edu \( carlo \) writes problem quadra 950 stumped couple techs sent us vendor , well us \) quadra ram , 2mb vram large disk \( think \) happens certain variable interval time video circuitry vertical sync quite apparent mac cpu still ok , problem really seems lie video circuitry , since still save documents , quit , even pull menus etc \( display scrolling lik crazy , 's pretty hard hit menu items \) info deleted anyone ideas \? please \? please email well posting cause seem spending lot time rebooting mac lately lot less time available read news ! \) sure 's problem caused software \? 've seen sort effect runaway program \( could caused init conflict , instance \) accidentally register video hardware tried booting extensions letting q950 sit finder \? might also want try changing 24 bit addressing \( yes , know ca n't access full 64 mb ram 's experiment \) video hardware registers ca n't accessed another thing try measure use something like change pixel depth display \( \) video hardware registers may allow sync restored dale adams
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject cults , waco insanity organization temple university lines 58 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 article srgenprp sr hp com sr hp com \( patrick kearney \) writes assuming , sake argument , branch davidian people manner described federal authorities , general consensus appear bd insane \? manner behaviour died , fact chose kill rather submit government \? ask question tradition , one highly regarded many people , several hundred jews elected throw cliff masada rather submit roman rule circumstances masada waco would seem general terms quite similar , yet far i'm aware nobody seriously suggested jews insane point comparison question use word 'cult' discussing events waco davidians cult , jews masada \? constitutes cult \? size membership , matter respectability , perhaps length time 's existence \? catholics cult \? mormons \? sect cult \? dictionary definitions aside , since popular usage seems carry weight , suspect word 'cult' used sense speaking groups like davidians rather like word used describe someone unpopular someone government wishes make unpopular like , say , castro communist boss cuba one n't hear clinton described america 's democratic capitalist boss well , one thing , dividians \( depending whether could show acted self defense illegal weapons \) , could gone life living one forcing give religion even legal weapons dividians survived change leadership even koresch would convicted sent jail , still could carried n't think dividians insane , n't see reason mass suicide \( fire intentional set dividians \) also n't know , fire intentionally set inside , generally know plan something inner circle knew , something two three felt without koresch 's knowledge blessing , etc \? n't know much masada people throwing others \? mothers jump babies arms \? richard
markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host elvis wri com organization wolfram research , inc lines 28 ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes article markp elvis wri com , markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) writes , 's ! sorry , jim , idea theory explaining myriad distinctly different observations merely model sensible people accept phobia objective reality notwithstanding first , phobia objective reality i'm simply saying scientific model atom probably really i'm saying 's object sources properties measure atomic theory n't made clear i'm glad clarified ! 're \( physical \) objectivist , , right \? take light another example two theories particle wave one fails predict behavior light point particle wave \? tell 're sensible one ! next question \? \) mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research , inc purely coincidental
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oncologist office staff daily management patient care clinical trials book obtained contacting dr robert , project officer , computer communications branch , building 82 , room 201 , bethesda , md scientific information services national cancer institute \( 91 \) booklet international cancer information center \( \) describes product service , including scientific journals \( journal national cancer institute nci \) , specialized current awareness publications \( , oncology \) , online databases \( \) obtain copies booklet , write international cancer information center , dept , national cancer institute , bldg 82 , rm 123 , bethesda , maryland fax request 301 480 hicnet medical newsletter page 29 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 publications patients available nci \( 1 93 \) free copies following patient education materials available \( single copy bulk \) calling nci 's publication ordering service , 1 800 4 cancer cancer prevention chew snuff real bad stuff brochure , designed 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women record cancer tests occur , describes steps follow hicnet medical newsletter page 30 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 cancer found 14 pages right thing get brochure targets black women age 40 older describes importance regular mammograms early detection breast cancer states nci guidelines mammography year lifetime brochure targets women age 40 older describes importance regular mammograms early detection breast cancer states nci guidelines mammography questions answers breast lumps pamphlet describes common breast lumps done includes instructions breast self examination 22 pages questions answers choosing mammography facility brochure lists questions ask selecting quality mammography facility also discusses typical costs coverage testicular self examination pamphlet contains information risks symptoms testicular cancer provides instructions perform testicular self examination pap test save life ! easy read pamphlet tells women importance getting pap test explains request one , often done , go get pap test general research reports depth reports covering current knowledge causes prevention , symptoms , detection diagnosis , treatment various types cancer individual reports available following topics bone marrow transplantation cancer colon rectum cancer lung cancer pancreas melanoma hicnet medical newsletter page 31 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 oral cancers immune system works booklet , written high school level , explains human immune system general public describes sophistication body 's immune responses , impact immune disorders , relation immune system cancer therapies present future 28 pages need know cancer series pamphlets discusses symptoms , diagnosis , treatment , emotional issues , questions ask doctor includes glossary terms resources individual pamphlets available following topics bladder bone brain breast colon rectum 's disease kidney lung melanoma multiple non 's oral cancers ovary pancreas prostate skin uterus patient education drug information sheets spanish english two sided fact sheets \( english spanish \) provide information side effects common drugs used treat cancer , hicnet medical newsletter page 32 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 proper usage , precautions patients fact sheets prepared united states convention , inc , distribution national cancer institute single sets may ordered advanced cancer living day booklet addresses coping terminal illness discussing practical considerations patient , family , friends 30 pages chemotherapy guide self help treatment booklet , question answer format , addresses problems concerns patients receiving chemotherapy emphasis explanation self help 64 pages eating hints recipes tips better nutrition cancer treatment cookbook style booklet includes recipes suggestions maintaining optimum nutrition treatment recipes tested 92 pages facing forward guide cancer survivors booklet presents concise overview important survivor issues , including ongoing health needs , concerns , insurance , employment easy use format includes cancer experiences , practical tips , forms , resources recommended cancer survivors , family , friends 43 pages patient patient cancer clinical trials 15 minute provides simple information patients families clinical trials process \( produced collaboration american college surgeons commission cancer \) questions answers pain control guide people cancer families booklet discusses pain control using medical methods emphasis explanation , self help , patient participation booklet also available american cancer society 44 pages radiation therapy guide self help treatment booklet addresses concerns patients receiving forms radiation therapy emphasis explanation self help 52 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 33 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 taking time support people cancer people care written booklet persons cancer families addresses feelings concerns others similar situations 68 pages clinical trials \? booklet designed patients considering taking part research new cancer treatments explains clinical trials patients easy understand terms gives information help decide participating 24 pages cancer meeting challenge booklet details different types recurrence , types treatment , coping cancer 's return 28 pages breast cancer education series breast biopsy know booklet discusses biopsy procedures describes expect hospital awaiting diagnosis 16 pages breast cancer understanding treatment options booklet summarizes biopsy procedure examines pros cons various types breast surgery discusses radiation therapy primary treatment , adjuvant therapy , process making treatment decisions 19 pages treatment breast cancer booklet presents information different types breast surgery explains expect hospital recovery period following breast cancer surgery breast self examination patients also described 25 pages breast cancer guide followup care booklet woman completed treatment explains importance checking possible signs recurring cancer receiving regular mammograms , getting breast exams doctor , continuing monthly breast self exams offers advice managing physical emotional side effects may accompany surviving breast hicnet medical newsletter page 34 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 cancer 15 pages pediatric cancer education series help tips teenagers cancer magazine style booklet designed provide information support adolescents cancer issues addressed include reactions diagnosis , relationships family friends , school attendance , body image 37 pages hospital days , treatment ways oncology coloring book helps orient child cancer hospital treatment procedures 26 pages managing eating problems cancer treatment booklet contains information importance nutrition , side effects cancer treatment , ways encourage child eat , special diets 32 pages talking child cancer booklet designed parent whose child diagnosed cancer addresses health related concerns young people different ages suggests ways discuss disease related issues child 16 pages someone family cancer booklet written young people whose parent cancer includes sections disease , treatment , emotional concerns 28 pages young people cancer handbook parents booklet discusses common types childhood cancer , treatments side effects , issues may arise child diagnosed cancer offers medical information practical tips gathered experience others 86 pages spanish language publications si con un en sobre el cancer , por favor al 1 800 422 \( 1 800 4 cancer \) cancer prevention hicnet medical newsletter page 35 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 time change de nina bilingual developed specifically young women discusses various health promotion issues nutrition , smoking , exercise , pelvic , pap , breast examinations 34 pages sobre el de para de bilingual pamphlet describes health risks smoking tips quit stay quit 8 pages para de booklet full color , self help smoking cessation booklet prepared specifically spanish speaking americans developed university california , san francisco , nci research grant 36 pages early detection la pap por su su bilingual brochure tells women important get pap test gives brief , clear information needs pap test , go get one , often pap test done un una al ano para una vida bilingual brochure describes importance mammograms early detection breast cancer gives brief information risk breast cancer , done , get one la pap un para cancer del del booklet spanish answers questions pap test , including often done , significance results , diagnostic tests treatments 16 pages lo que saber sobre los de los booklet spanish explains importance three actions recommended nci detect breast cancer early possible requesting regular mammography , getting annual breast exam doctor , performing monthly breast self exam 6 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 36 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 sobre la de un centro de brochure lists questions answers ask selecting quality mammography facility patient education drug information sheets spanish english two sided fact sheets \( english spanish \) provide information side effects common drugs used treat cancer , proper usage , precautions patients fact sheets prepared united states convention , inc , distribution national cancer institute single sets may ordered sobre el de contra el cancer flyer spanish provides brief introduction cancer chemotherapy 12 pages el de para el el booklet spanish addresses concerns patients receiving radiation therapy cancer emphasis explanation self help 48 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 37 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 aids news summaries aids daily summary april 19 april 23 , 1993 centers disease control prevention \( cdc \) national aids clearinghouse makes available following information public service providing information constitute endorsement cdc , cdc clearinghouse , organization reproduction text encouraged however , copies may sold copyright 1993 , information , inc , bethesda , md april 19 , 1993 absence hiv transmission infected orthopedic surgeon journal american medical association \( 04 14 93 \) vol 269 , 14 , p 1807 \( von , c fordham \) risk hiv transmission hiv positive surgeon patient extremely low , provided surgeon strictly universal infection control procedures , write c fordham von et al dartmouth hitchcock medical center lebanon , n h researchers contacted 2 , 317 former patients hiv positive orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures january 1 , 1978 june 30 , 1992 orthopedic surgeon voluntarily withdrew practice testing positive hiv total 1 , 174 former patients hiv testing , representing 50 7 percent patients orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures 13 5 year period patients tested year category invasive procedure patients found negative hiv enzyme linked two former patients reported known hiv infection prior surgery examination aids case registries vital records neglected detect cases hiv infection among former surgical patients estimated cost initial patient notification testing 158 , 000 , single expensive activity counseling testing accounted 37 percent total expense patient notification testing conducted maintaining confidentiality orthopedic surgeon active participant planning execution study notifying patients infected surgeon 's hiv status disruptive expensive routinely recommended , researchers conclude investigation potential hiv transmission patients hiv infected surgeon journal american medical association \( 04 14 93 \) vol hicnet medical newsletter page 38 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 269 , 14 , p \( smith rogers , et al \) risk hiv transmission surgery remote quantified gathering data multiple , similar investigations , writes smith rogers et al johns hopkins university school medicine baltimore , md researchers identified total 1 , 131 persons hospital databases invasive surgical procedures 1984 1990 hiv positive surgeon listed operating surgeon aids case registries reviewed patients undergone invasive procedures death certificates obtained among 1 , 131 patients , 101 dead , 119 address , 413 test results known , 498 respond questionnaire study patient name found reported aids case registries one newly detected , hiv positive patient determined probably infected 1985 transfusion hiv transmission 369 person hours surgical exposure , suggesting hiv transmission patients unlikely occur frequently per 1000 person hours surgical exposure researchers determined evidence suggest surgeon failed adhere standard infection control guidelines 50 percent patients invasive procedures chose tested , whose results revealed , one person found infected hiv study patient 's infection probably result tainted blood transfusion received 1985 result , evidence transmission hiv hiv positive surgeon patient transpired , researchers conclude april 20 , 1993 drug concerns share aids data new york times \( 04 20 93 \) , p \( , gina \) total 15 major pharmaceutical companies decided , highly unusual move , share aids drugs information drugs undergoing early clinical testing dr edward , president merck research laboratory , n j , arranged collaboration said cooperation companies seemed increasingly significant become clear combinations drugs likely effective fighting hiv drug used alone researchers hopeful hiv , faced combination several drugs requiring mutation different sites resistance develop , unable evolve mutations time therefore , several drugs taken together one could halt spread hiv currently , drug companies know drugs competitors developing new agreement allows companies routinely exchange animal data safety data new aids drugs agreement like greatly facilitate hicnet medical newsletter page 39 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 ability choose best drug combinations much faster much efficient way , said also said collaboration would violate antitrust laws creating agreement , merck spoke frequently members aids advocacy groups , including act dr daniel hoth , director division aids national institute allergy infectious disease said , 're delighted see pharmaceutical industry take step think increasing information flow likely accelerate discovery better compounds aids related stories wall street journal \( 04 20 \) p b1 philadelphia inquirer \( 04 20 \) p a3 usa today \( 04 20 \) p 1b next step aids treatment nature \( 04 08 93 \) vol 362 , 6420 , p 493 \( maddox , john \) although azt found ineffective lives people infected hiv , findings indicate azt administered people full blown aids , writes columnist john maddox azt used united states asymptomatic hiv positive people basis administration drug appeared abate decline cell counts however , report lancet demonstrated azt used early course disease cd4 counts 877 people given azt consistently greater patients receiving placebo , first three years follow shown proportions people two groups progressing overt aids even death significantly different roughly 18 percent conclusions azt effective aids drug hiv infected individuals , cd4 cell count may reliable proxy progression aids infected people nothing implied study utility azt treatment symptoms already appeared case abandoning treatment , least evidence available much alarming cd4 count proven unreliable mark efficacy drug treatment hiv infection aids researchers acknowledge hiv alive beginning infection turn workable progress disease general application probably provide better understanding pathogenesis aids , concludes maddox infective anti infective properties breastmilk hiv 1 infected women lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 914 \( van de , philippe et al \) vaccine preparation persistent immune response igm type mother 's body fluids could valuable prevent transmission hiv 1 mother child , write philippe van de et al hicnet medical newsletter page 40 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 national aids control program , researchers hypothesized transmission hiv 1 breastmilk could favored presence infected cells , deficiency anti infective substances breastmilk , factors total 215 hiv 1 infected women enrolled delivery , milk samples collected 15 days , 6 months , 18 months post hiv 1 igg , iga , igm western , latter two removal igg protein g 15 day 6 month samples , researchers sought viral genome milk cells double chain reaction three sets primers \( gag , pol , env \) 15 days , 6 months , 18 months post , hiv 1 specific igg detected 95 percent , 98 percent , 97 percent breastmilk samples iga 23 percent , 28 percent , 41 percent igm 66 percent , 78 percent , 41 percent children survived longer 18 months risk infection associated lack persistence igm iga milk presence hiv 1 infected cells milk 15 days post strongly predictive hiv 1 infection child analysis combination hiv 1 infected cells breastmilk defective igm response strongest predictor infection igm iga anti hiv 1 breastmilk may protect transmission hiv , researchers conclude april 21 , 1993 firms share aids research global venture journal commerce \( 04 21 93 \) , p 7a total fifteen u european pharmaceutical companies announced tuesday swap drug supplies information early stage aids research hasten search combination therapies fight hiv infection aids companies said unusual move resulted primarily increasing concentration aids research combination therapies since realizing hiv likely develop resistance every individual aids drug edward , president merck co research laboratories , led collaborative effort took year negotiations come together , said participants addition merck , companies involved inter company collaboration aids drug development bristol myers squibb co , , inc , hoffman la , eli lilly co , inc , , ab astra , du pont merck , inc , , miles inc , sigma tau participants said companies involved aids drug development aware joined collaboration , company actively involved hiv anti viral development may participate said collaborators would likely meet every couple months scientific meeting review one another hicnet medical newsletter page 41 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 early clinical data american foundation aids research \( \) pleased news collaboration , hopes lead development drug combinations reduce viral resistance related story financial times \( 04 21 \) p 1 guidance hiv infected health care workers lancet \( 04 10 93 \) vol 341 , 8850 , p 952 \( horton , richard \) united kingdom 's department health recently followed advice aids experts scientific reason routine hiv testing among health care workers following recent highly publicized reports health professionals contracted hiv , department issued revised guidelines management cases dr kenneth , chief medical officer , said doctors , dentists , nurses , health care workers ethical duty seek advice exposed hiv infection , including , appropriate , diagnostic hiv testing said , infected health care workers perform invasive procedures carry even remote risk exposing patients virus guidelines end part 3 internet david 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mikec sail labs tek com \( micheal cranford \) subject rawlins debunks creationism summary creationist nonsense organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 78 john e king \( king ctron com \) posts whopping one liner modern theory evolution inadequate deserves treated matter faith francis hitching points make posting 1 science based consist quotes either real alleged experts critical reasoning , evidence \( possible \) experimentation necessary creationists frequently display massive confusion merely quoting non experts experts alike \( latter quotes fact false \) refusing follow kind rigorous scientific procedure strongly suggests \( \) claims completely lack scientific merit \( b \) aware fatal deficiency course , may actually creationist may real intent 2 failed identify hitching surrounding context statement \? hitching scientific illiterate quote would merely display profound ignorance evolutionary biology creationists frequently known quote real scientists context fabricate statements subsequently attribute legitimate scientists course , may actually creationist may real intent 3 evidence supporting alleged inadequacies modern theory evolution would much powerful argument one line quote unidentified nobody also important note disproving biological evolution automatically prove alternate claims disproving earth shaped like hockey puck proves hyperbolic creationists seem rather fond diving \( head first \) logical fallacy course , may actually creationist may real intent 4 since evolution central virtually modern science , attack evolution \( either fact theory \) really represents attack science theory unquestionably continue evolve \( b \) fact evolution ever go away creationists lost battle long ago \( 100 years fact \) simply willfully ignorant irrational acknowledge fact course , may actually creationist may really ignorant warren kurt vonroeschlaub \( kv07 iastate edu \) asks neither , webster 's ever heard francis hitchings \? , like hitchings , found webster 's b \) francis hitchings scientifically illiterate creationist \( perhaps playing part one \) wrote quite ignorant book attacking evolution \( neck giraffe \) publication quotes creationist \( jean morton \) using standard invalid creationist probability argument proteins could formed chance thus confusing abiogenesis evolution \( two quite independent \) also concluding non sequitur \( e conclusion follow \) pp 70 71 hitchings also misquotes richard effort support creationism pp 84 hitchings book reviewed national park service david los angeles times \( repeated \) article titled sticks scientific neck far excerpts include francis hitchings goes darwin like mark scientific reasoning mysticism pseudo science snake oil salesman suggests mystical life , using similarity organs different creatures evidence sic note last statement actually evidence evolution john e king quoting reviewed book would n't surprise much 's also interesting king nothing add \( e posted quote \) uucp uunet ! tektronix ! sail ! mikec cranford uunet ! tektronix ! sail labs tek com ! mikec principal troll arpa mikec sail labs tek com relay cs net resident skeptic mikec sail labs tek com , tektronix
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drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve liu \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article 1r3jl5 igh function mps ohio state edu osu edu writes yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul paul nevai nevai mps ohio state edu dept math ohio state university 1 614 292 3317 \( office \) columbus , ohio 43210 1174 , u 1 614 292 1479 \( math dept fax \) keep 13 apple trinitron iisi months time n't seem cause problems tttttt eeeee vv vv eeeee tt ee vv vv ee tt eeee vv vv eeee steve liu tt ee vvv ee drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu tt eeeee v eeeee drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu
ee ac za \( \) subject vatican library organization electrical computer engineering , university pretoria lines 8 nntp posting host mccartney ee ac za vatican library recently made tour us anyone help finding ftp site collection available thanx advance j watson
mek hydrox enet dec com \( mark \) subject tiff complexity x received usenet pa dec com id tue , 27 apr 93 10 55 53 0700 x received enet gw pa dec com id tue , 27 apr 93 10 55 51 0700 x received hydrox enet decwrl enet tue , 27 apr 93 10 55 52 pdt x comp graphics usenet x apparently comp graphics usenet lines 38 anyone thinks tiff complex n't dealt cgm , asn 1 , cda , dca , sgml , one number successful file format people seem perfectly capable dealing others dealing format tiff frankly less difficult dealing dct , lzw , fax encoding image data majority libraries deal tiff dedicated issues rather simply decoding tags parameters perhaps people overwhelmed comparison rather formats gif , pcx , bmp , suggest tiff complex doomed failure ludicrous n't mean gif n't fine , n't even thing using many instances gif nice use low end photos applications screen grabs , would never high volume high resolution systems fax nice , n't color \( gif n't b w well \) jpeg nice high resolution color , slow low end advantage tiff brings table ability handle situations \( \) naturally 's complex rather propose tiff imaging solutions imaging systems based deal 3 4 file formats may find tiff complicated personal tastes please n't 's complexity complexity contains required provide functionality n't come close complexity found commercially viable file formats 're philosophical arguments complexity , let 's go program scheme forth imaging run length encoding
panix com \( gary \) subject genesis games sale \( updated expanded \) organization panix public access unix , nyc distribution na lines 3 selling joe montana football '93 genesis 30 include shipping come first
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject help ! sc 431 interlaced non \? organization dakota state university lines 12 hello colleague monitor manual cover , says sc 431 sc 428 model numbers manual specify interlaced non interlaced , anyone know \? thanks mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
russell p hughes dartmouth edu \( \) subject bub pipes ! live free , variable ! x posted internews 1 0b14 dartmouth edu organization hog heaven lines 23 failing state new hampshire noise gestapo test hd slash cut pipes installed new \( planning anyway \) , went different station , passed problem 97 db two points first , n't think first dude noise test correctly holding meter close body probably caused high reading , inside garage door closed undoubtedly enhanced db level ! nh riders need get done , make sure inspection done outdoors meter held well away body second , bub pipes bloody terrific low revs cruising town , quiet stock pipes , sound thats , , rumble open 3000 rpm emit wonderfully satisfying roar best worlds ! russ hughes '92 fxstc dod 6022 \( \) chrome steel rides air n young
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject good jesus died \? organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 45 brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes beef jesus \? first foremost , honestly believe jesus anything man lived died two thousand years ago know bible provides wonderful stories things said , simply believe still exists entity bearing universe lives , similarly believe god worship exists ever existed period view religion general christianity specific passed generation generation people often afraid think claim responsibility fate , children believing popular myths , goes eventually christianity becomes given many people believe , must right , \? n't believe life death believe die , die , therefore 's try bring meaning purpose life meantime n't believe 's good thing humble view pride sin pride , moderation , constructive thing see nothing wrong homosexuality nothing inferior women , priests lost lot trust tried explain opinions n't believe , especially people 've never met try show respect everyone , love admiration something easily earned , feel guilty denying respect consideration someone abused want take religion least bit seriously , stop trying show bible makes sense start trying show jesus person somehow still influencing anyone 's life earth brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
ucsd edu \( \) subject 4sale always 2000 scsi card keywords 2000 lines 6 nntp posting host ucsd edu always 2000 scsi card sale w manuals , software , cables make best offer gyro ucsd edu
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject temperature dark sky organization u toronto zoology lines 14 anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? note , talking temperature microwave background radiation things sky mbr i'm total blackbody temperature thermal radiator would see , disregarding \( shielding \) sun nearby large warm objects dim recollection net effective temperature substantially higher mbr , figure things like stars zodiacal light , 'd like numbers svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject doctrine original sin organization indiana university lines 63 article may 11 02 39 07 1993 athos rutgers edu eugene bigelow ebay sun com writes babies supposed baptised n't bible ever say never comes right says people know right wrong taught baptised sound argument babies assumes bible n't say specifically n't need something , must mean need know 's specific term form logic , escapes right however , sound , able apply way bible n't specifically say something wrong , must ok , , coincidentally , leads perfectly question 've often pondered less logical assumption something bible , must done n't really think 's 's saying anyway see slavery immoral \( believe , assume everyone else group \? \) , n't jesus apostles speak \? owning slaves common practice back paul speaks everything else immoral apparently thought important enough talk things like n't anyone mention slavery \? god 's morals eternal n't change like morals society , must immoral today letter \? paul least hints certain slave released also , slavery times type slavery u think better comparison would n't really want get discussion slavery anyway , although demonstrate point , n't think relevent , original poster say absence specific proves something immoral back original poster 's assertion fact making logical error accuse stated fact bible say babies cannot baptized also , know bible says everyone must baptized enter heaven everyone includes infants , unless scripture contrary , e exception since exception listed bible , must assume \( safe side \) bible means says , everyone must baptized enter heaven baptize infants summarize , accused original poster saying something forbidden bible , proves ok e something cannot disproven , true rather seemed asserting since bible forbid , cannot prove , using bible , ok difference proving whether something proven disproven \( theories field logic , way \) actually proving disproving logical error must avoid falling converse something cannot proven , false seems error many sola scriptura believers think thing proven one cannot use scripture alone prove something either way infant baptism , although evidence seems favor steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
jean andrews andrew cmu edu subject wanted large dog cage organization graduate school industrial , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 3 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu need large dog cage , kind use dog around adopted 11 month old non pittsburgh area number 412 268
oracle uucp \( david \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization oracle corporation , redwood shores ca lines 51 nntp posting host us oracle com x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle \( st \) stephen tice \( km \) ken mcvay \( st \) seems koresh yet another messenger got killed \( st \) message carried \( says nothing \( km \) seems , barring evidence contrary , koresh simply \( km \) another deranged fanatic thought neccessary take whole bunch \( km \) folks , children , satisfy delusional mania jim \( km \) jones , circa 1993 think 's plenty evidence contrary six rescued davidians consistantly recounted federal tank knocked barrel propane guys n't exactly spending time together , plotting elaborate consistent story would contradictory koresh go mass suicide remember koresh 's death opening sixth seal signal armageddon begun army \( people compound \) would fight powers evil win , ending rapture fire wiped army read earlier koresh planning walk compound blow grenade would better teachings \( st \) mean time , sure learned lot evil corruption \( st \) surprised things gotten rotten \? \( km \) nope like koresh demonstrating evil corruption \( km \) centuries 'd think 'd last one support gassing people burning death religious beliefs corrupt \? evil \? n't know 'll never know start calling people religious beliefs , 's people saw happened many germans started believing jews one neat stroke , destroyed evidence could pointed wrongdoing killed witnesses , including 12 children whose last view life choking pain , followed burning alive extremely saddened tragedy occurred i'm used money become accessory dave n't alibi oracle corporation victim doorstep way justify 's family business fish
problem inews gateway file \( keith \) subject 48 bit graphics organization computer science department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 29 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 sane \( oehler yar cs wisc edu \) wrote recently talking possible employer \( mine ! \) \) made reference 48 bit graphics computer image processing system seem remember called image something akin anyway , claimed 48 bit color 12 bit alpha channel 's 60 bits info could possibly \? specifically 48 bit color \? 's 280 trillion colors , many human eye resolve anti aliasing thing \? magic number make work better certain processor i'm pretty sure industry strength image processing specific systems \( e photo processing gear \) use much 96 bits color info \? , oversampling never bad idea especially hardware 's task image manipulation , photographers demand professional results also , settle bet roommate , sgi 's flagship products \? know iris , indigo , crimson , ones , top line \? \( sadly , access none dec 5000 25 sigh \) strange question , anyway , 's vgx line , newer indigo 2 , onyx systems new big boys block \( get 24 processor system twice graphics performance reality engine \) 's , n't handy periodic table sgi 's keith
cisko fnal gov \( greg cisko \) subject modem windows problems organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host fnal gov article 1993apr12 magnus acs ohio state edu , magnus acs ohio state edu \( stassen lantz \) writes weekend \( replaced motherboard , upgraded dos 6 , ms windows 3 1 , experience windows application using modem 386dx 40 cpu \( amd \? \) ami bios card 2 serial , 1 parallel 1 game ports \( generic cheapo \) ide controller \( two hd , two fd \) internal packard bell 2400 modem mouse mouse set com1 , irq4 \( via jumper board parms mouse driver \) modem set com2 , irq3 \( jumpers modem board \) addition , think disabled second serial port card since unused mouse works fine 's deal procomm dos version works fine modem procomm windows , \( cim \) compuserve windows , terminal lockup try anything modem screen freezes , sound comes modem , messages screen i'm getting real frustrated could second port card still enabled \? would cause problem \? 've software routes , i'm believe maybe hardware problem anybody similar experience \? anybody ideas could try \? \? please \? \? \? thanks advance n stassen lantz ran problem upgraded 2400 modem 14400 modem time give modem reset command atz , windows computer locks give atz command dos , work solution give modem atz command thru windows procomm install process told program hayes compatible 2400 modem atz included initialization string works fine called ms , n't clue memory interupt conflict could lockup using windows comm program gives atz command
kevinh hslrswi hasler ascom ch \( kevinh \) subject warning \( please read \) originator kevinh nath reply kevinh hasler ascom ch organization ascom hasler ag lines 33 article 1993apr20 voodoo ca boeing com , tomm hank ca boeing com \( tom mackey \) writes power steve n't \? n't go shoot kids tossing rocks onto cars \? make sure good job though n't miss 'cause like big rocks take kids mean absolutely correct streak runs much deeper stronger anything ever experienced even height 60 's racial struggles absolutely convinced kids today concept right wrong , human intelligence turning greatest ever walked earth prevail unless rest humanity decides best interest stand feral humans , individuals start taking responsibility protection state individuals turn authorities police protection , police government soon composed feral humans originally sought protection thought nutters ones throwing bricks bridge gee , guess touched hot button 'd better go cool somewhere institution \? tom mackey \( 206 \) 865 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet ! bcstec ! voodoo ! tomm 7k 20 , p box 24346 , seattle , wa 98124 0346 kevinh hasler ch
poram ihlpb att com subject dreams body incidents organization lines 44 article may 11 02 37 40 1993 athos rutgers edu dt4 cs hub ucsb edu \( david e goggin \) writes 'd like get comments question mind lot morals ethics apply dreams body incidents \? dave might like read book god wants rich doctrines , discusses oobes one chapters bible examples men caught spirit \( eg ezekiel , paul \) believe also experience satan example eastern techniques used induce soul leave body float someone tried sell book los angeles airport entitled easy planets uses techniques medium sometimes involves body departure book counterfeit , former medium gets saved , tells author , last , attacked evil spirits tried kill returning body end interest christianity protected lord may similarities mind altering drugs phenomena regards connection body soul , interesting verse ecclesiastes passage talking old age , preacher writes man goes eternal home go streets remember silver cord severed \( 12 5 6 \) understanding silver cord something attaches body soul manner somewhat similar umbilical cord astronaut 's air line spaceship person goes body silver cord still attaches soul whereever goes vulnerable broken astral projection dangerous ! , think , reports case yogi oobe found dead apartment , apparent external cause barney resson many shall run fro , knowledge shall increase \( daniel \)
fredm media mit edu \( fred g martin \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization mit media laboratory lines 28 article c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes story dealing problems w c610 's deleted , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? 've c610 six weeks problems whatsoever 's customized replaced apple quantum 80 drive connor 212 drive installed tandberg scsi tape drive internal bay works fine \( though apple n't seem supplying front panel w standard 5 25 cutout \) 's hooked apple laserwriter plus printing problems , tested printing complex photoshop graphics expanded vram extra 8 meg simm , problems sum , idea dealer complaining fred fred martin fredm media mit edu \( 617 \) 253 20 ames st rm 301 epistemology learning group , mit media lab cambridge , 02139 usa
rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu \( ryan c scharfy \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 35 article apache dtcc edu bob hobbes dtcc edu \( bob rahe \) writes article 2099 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes want see independent investigation , full prosecuting subpoena powers felony prosecution felony acts found fat chance , bet bet justice dept internal investigation turn , say independent prosecutor , , maybe ol' mr walsh something useful \( right , fat chance \) i'm responding risk misreading response , tell fellow conservatives give , attacking reno clinton atf fbi may botched operation , n't kill anybody never shot first david koresh lunatic followers combined q geraldo audience kids probably would fucked social rejects go freshman dances high school , never seen \( except maybe band \) prom , show like animals boarding ark 's bowling till 3 morning \( \? \? happen \? \? ! ! \) anyway , point janet reno bill clinton following advice trained , law enforcement officials experts fields 'd rather leaders micro manage every crisis comes along 'd really see trouble matter party ideology president \( er mean \) attorney general ryan c scharfy rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu
jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( james r ebright \) subject secret source announcement nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution inet lines 57 article merlin lerami lerctr org \( david hayes \) writes article amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes get buck , 2nd hand , must true , eh \? i'm pretty sure nsa supposed , among many things , provide high quality cryptosystems variety places n't recall reading anywhere reliable 're supposed 1 \) monitor phonecalls 2 \) monitor usenet 3 \) provide cryptosystems easily crack 4 \) etc etc say n't , might n't know , evidence , almost values follows , therefore , values 'you' , claims nsa border paranoia andrew ok , andrew , 'll provide evidence friend mine worked electronics manufacturer west coast office routinely sold story deleted let give another story actually happened sell communications boards use 68000 used high tech agent uk sold system company ch packaged product cz \( london bern \) brits told swiss need pass export paperwork us , time , needed export systems knew nsa watching traffic \( like watching traffic \) know two weeks later agent us government shows office remind agents sold systems evil empire , better make sure export handled properly part five man office columbus ohio ! ! stuff based sources could reveal \( assume time guys sat around office thumbs ass n't much stuff coming columbus \) wow , electric utility sure big worry folks \) point , created giant bureaucracy \( nsa \) budget bigger cia 's , like , fill time looking things evil empire gone nsa something fill time justify budgets \( wish would sit around thumbs ass much hope spy us things like skipjack subvert people like dorothy denning \) sigh information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( \( 0 0 \) \) jim ebright e mail jre osu edu support privacy support encryption \( \)
access digex com \( \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization express access online communications usa lines 38 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr22 lehman com pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes qualcomm spare cycles dsps new cdma digital cellular phones wanted put strong crypto since capacity government decided discourage 're blowing smoke qualcomm wants sell nice , lucrative overseas markets like japan ec government told n't encryption ever hope export technology reason cdma n't encryption g men came qualcomm 's door 's qualcomm n't think us market digital cellular big enough international traffic arms regulations n't believe , call qualcomm ask n't throw theories least , n't sci crypt whole newsgroups devoted kind uninformed claptrap normal company trying put one likely get visit boys dark suits washington , like qualcomm suspect companies like cylink tolerated products expensive hah 're much expensive besides , drug dealer afford rolex mercedes , darn well afford cylink phones , cylink sells phones 're willing make different stuff domestic use vs export qualcomm n't cylink makes money 's capitalism , comrade someone build unit better yet , prehaps someone produce package turns 486 box sound card secure phone someone someone think 's easy , whining net instead getting butt gear writing \? name would become known loved dozens ! , would require actual effort
brendan gu uwa edu au \( brendan \) subject 3d input devices organization university western australia lines 9 nntp posting host mackerel gu uwa edu au keywords 3d , input , device greetings , anyone use form 3d input device \? would like hear information systems people currently using please email responses summarise get feedback brendan brendan gu uwa edu au
menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) subject arts letters graphics editor organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 5 anyone group use program \? stacks pretty well corel draw , since n't cdrom , best buy maybe someone would interested trading tips tricks \?
rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu \( bighelmet \) subject phils spot espn distribution na organization university illinois urbana lines 15 weeks ago posted phillies team personalities anyone see espn feature phils monday night john kruk great line talking people team always playing sitting minor injury said know 'll kick ass time saw afternoon saw ass mitch williams talked team bunch teams , close kruk said get along year last year , said , hated pitchers assume joking , always keeps straight face talks oh , team ! ! ! ! ! rob live day day rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream tomorrow
eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject horizontally opposed boxer engines \( v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization skulls 'r us lines 76 nntp posting host 192 42 145 4 article 1993apr26 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes none configurations perfectly inherently balanced , talking balance shafts mass either ends cranks eliminate forces moments , something also pointed n't also say easier add masses add balance shafts \? sad truth makers n't bother put balance shafts big shaky 4 's three cranks refer 1 4 i4 even firing \( 180 deg \) 1 4 k 2 3 j fp 0 mp 0 2 3 fs 4 \( r l \) ms 0 j j 1 4 even firing \( 180 deg \) k 1 4 2 3 fp 0 mp 0 2 3 fs 0 crank spacing ms 2a \( r l \) j j 1 3 1 2 even firing \( 180 deg \) k fp 0 mp 4 3 fs 0 2 4 ms 0 1 3 2 4 ridiculous , kindly explain 's 10 years since studied stuff \) flat 4s i4s potential nearly vibration free subaru nothing i4s general porsche think subaru somehow connecting porsche absurdity , i'm porsche fan big wing dings configurations , overhead , etc , etc , etc , around nearly 100 years point trying make everybody settles orthodox inline 4 , using horizontally opposed 4 , unique market segment porsche also uses flat six 911 , 's problem \? n't see claim engine good porsche 's simply pointing use configuration porsche want ad campaigns , think far blatant excesses eliot
tenney netcom com \( glenn tenney \) subject hearing 29 april 1993 organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 105 received fax letter representative markey \( subcommittee telecommunications finance \) ron brown \( secretary commerce \) since encryption clipper chip raised letter , felt would interest understand 29 april , mr markey holding hearing questions raised letter may also follow hearing dedicated clipper chip , 's definite 've typed letter , follows errors transcription mine glenn tenney tenney netcom com amateur radio voice \( 415 \) 574 3420 fax \( 415 \) 574 0546 letter interest follows april 19 , 1993 honorable ronald h brown secretary department commerce 14th pennsylvania ave , nw washington , dc dear secretary brown know , long interested privacy security telecommunications transmissions data networked environment recent reports concerning administration 's endorsement electronic encryption standard , based upon clipper chip technology , raised number related issues international competitiveness u high tech manufacturers software industry key factor government consider addressing issues encryption data security nation moves forward developing national communications information infrastructure , security telecommunications transmissions network data increasingly important factor protecting privacy users hacker community compromise integrity telecommunications transmissions databases linked network people businesses use nation 's telecommunications network personal computers linked increasingly demanding information protected unauthorized access , alteration , theft concerned administration 's plan may mean remain competitive internationally , u companies would compelled develop two products one u government customers , another private , commercial users may want higher encryption standard may inadvertently increase costs u companies hoping serve markets assist subcommittee 's analysis issue , please respond following questions 1 encryption algorithm standard endorsed administration tested entity nsa , nist vendor \? , please identify entities nature testing performed , please describe plans algorithm tested outside experts experts chosen 2 administration 's plan , entities holders keys decrypt scrambled data \? procedures criteria administration utilize designate key holders \? 3 encryption algorithm endorsed administration contain trap door back door , could allow agency entity federal government crack code \? 4 clear time , changes technologies used communications require new techniques additional equipment encryption devices adapt rapid advancement telecommunications technology \? 5 additional costs would proposed encryption place federal government \? estimated cost consumers businesses opt federal standard equipment \? 6 commerce department 's assessment competitive impact administration 's endorsement clipper chip technology u exports computer telecommunications hardware software products \? would appreciate response later close business , wednesday , april 28 , 1993 questions , please staff contact colin crowell karen subcommittee staff \( 202 \) 226 sincerely , edward j markey chairman glenn tenney voice \( 415 \) 574 3420 fax \( 415 \) 574 0546 tenney netcom com ham radio
com \( jonathan \) subject problems toshiba 3401 cdrom organization intelligent software products , inc lines 30 imj1 cunixa cc columbia edu \( imad jureidini \) writes hi ! recently purchased toshiba 3401 cdrom adaptec 1542b scsi card , far failed get cdrom work dos works well os 2 , know drive faulty config sys , sys , sys , sys autoexec bat , mscdex , came dos 6 0 mscdex seems find install drive drive f , switch drive try dir , get error message telling drive ready something like cdrom locked , adaptec utilities n't seem recognize cdrom point current adaptec drivers support toshiba 3401 get corel scsi drivers , support method used , works well corel 's phone number 1 \( 613 \) 728 satisfied user jb jonathan intelligent software products , inc \( 908 \) 248 1853 37 rd com edison , nj
graeme labtam labtam oz au \( graeme gill \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization labtam australia pty ltd , melbourne , australia lines 9 article sophia inria fr , muller inria fr \( christophe muller \) writes anyway , simulog , abandon xv using mostly slide shows loop feature display \( display wonderful imagemagick package ! \) , think implement \( even shell script job \) forget xv xli xloadimage goto flag graeme gill
steven advtech uswest com \( steve novak \) subject time best players organization u west advanced technologies lines 11 nntp posting host advtech uswest com drm6640 tesla njit edu writes 1b career mattingly ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! lou gehrig , ironman steve novak ban bomb ! ban pope ! ! steven advtech uswest com
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject part n't understand \? organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 65 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) writes certainly see opposing amen n't require opposing moment silence already responded one dimension , cause make another , independent reply problem moment silence even handed way allowing religion amongst students public schools noted , muslims need moment silence order perform prayers required muhammad \( least orthodox \) jewish prayer also requirements addressed , fact , highly selective bias towards christian prayer moment silence shit especially bizarre christian prayer need stuff may pray totally time \( extent , true muslims jews well intend first paragraph characteristic forms prayer religions need special times behavior , cannot undertaken without observer able taking note \) christian may pray , time silently without trace activity evident others may may true religious traditions amongst us certainly , tend forms prayer would evidence differences american protestant mainstream religion moment silence allow one tradition n't need , special place set aside public schools nothing christian prayer requires public forms , , , anything else visible outside world christian student may \( probably \) pray times day , without anyone else knowing may also true non christians otherwise moment silence would still difficult jews gather daven , muslims find mecca engage prescribed forms course christians thing therefore , provision nothing disguised attempt encourage luckily , strong jewish presence country \( , christian , revere jewish teachers public schools \) , growing muslim presence well hope political forces consequent prevent imposition christian forms non christians far see \( christian \) nothing moment silence campaign attempt use public social pressure force children adhere pattern biased towards christianity christian , must protest coercion 's worth , suspect coercion really targeted non christians yet another case failure amongst christian parents making children , want public schools teach cannot manage teach , despite opportunity world taught children pray , need moment silence school managed teach , moment give michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) subject oilers sale \? \? nntp posting host cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton canada lines 29 bart splunge uucp \( barton \) writes yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) writes 's one mill oilers might move hamilton porklington get free deal given labour relations puck like , would sigh relief way w4e elements ! ! well , dave , would disagree satan could team , 'd happy long oilers stayed edmonton selfish , true n't want see oilers move , matter owner bart , bart splunge uucp ab ca sentiment bart , realistically , town want pay quality player hence loosing people left , right center labour also responsible boycott pocklington movement would like oilers stay , realistically , given situation , 's bye bye oilers dave shariff yadallee \( b sc \( econ math \) \( u alberta 1990 \) \) \( yadalle cs ualberta ca \) god save queen , god bless us ! remember ! jesus saves lives eternal damnation ! newfoundland , keep good old clyde , vote liberal !
cbnewsk cb att com \( michael \) subject unit w games sale organization distribution na lines 15 selling base unit 2 controllers 1 atari game adapter play atari games 12 games \( ms pac man , , etc \) ship cod price make offer call cheryl 908 805 2011 \( day \) 908 469 3250 \( eve \)
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject fear , uncertainty , doubt organization dsi uscrpac lines 27 article access digex net steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes suspect decisive element political battle fud \( fear , uncertainty , doubt \) factor people would end users cripple chip hear whole debate vaguely government says 's solid people field say 's swiss cheese balance doubt could shift feds attempt limit forms encryption could presented government covering butt protecting poor product superior competition comments \? since asked , bit inaccurate accurate government says solid , people field might able find n't yet done review chip design , 's lot wild speculation little information might swiss cheese david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
dclunie pax tpa com au \( david clunie \) subject easy translate jpeg code organization master 's voice lines 22 distribution world reply dclunie pax tpa com au nntp posting host britt pax tpa com au article shelley u washington edu , stusoft hardy u washington edu \( stuart denman \) writes anyone jpeg decompression code pretty much language read understand \? trouble understanding jpeg group 's code got ftp site one send good code , appreciate lot ! thanks ! problem process inherently complicated ! ijg 's code pretty good ask , watched go many many cycles revision try getting good book subject , explain algorithms specifically jpeg still image compression standard mitchell , 1993 , isbn 0 442 1 btw presume comment good code n't meant sound offensive david clunie \( dclunie pax tpa com au \)
ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization cdac , wa lines 16 curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com
n3022 cray com \( jim knoll \) subject thanks '86 nova advice lines 14 nntp posting host reply n3022 cray com organization cray research , inc want thank people responded post weeks ago buying '86 nova 100 , 000 mi decided buy car month replaced front brake pads changed oil far problems surfaced received many suggestions encouragement purchase figured late thank better none thanks ! jim
pw4963 ruth albany edu \( peter white \) subject clock speed centris 610 \? \? \? \? organization state university new york albany lines 11 actual clock speed centris 610 \? 20 mhz 25 mhz thanks advance peter white pw4963 csc albany edu pwhite mac archive umich edu
halat panther bears \( jim halat \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict reply halat panther bears \( jim halat \) distribution usa lines 41 article 1993apr17 bsu ucs 00cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? oh yeah , h start video king got prone postion charge cops \? sorry , video cuts sit watch start even rodney king come car waving gun managed disarm , police still right right beat senseless way ground ca n't handle jobs , relieved additionally , anna new york times said best \( paraphrase \) many people bring happened shown tape 's came 80 's , ronald reagan , george bush , racism , jim halat
skelly amiganet chi il us \( sean kelly \) subject question addressing organization amiga network information systems lines 16 question accessing certain addresses chip , particulary 27c512 eprom although n't know much , understand , 's pin chip , voltage applied , kicks address question determine many bytes address \? \? example , code want accessed 2000 also say 4000 move address pointer positions \? \? thanks info sean kelly sysop bbs \( 312 \) 594 1146 always looking classic video games following systems atari 2600 atari 5200 atari 5200 vectrex
gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization georgia institute technology lines 16 article cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes g j maybe wanted look like murder 50 days think coming whole time n't even put children buried bus underground bunker cs seige put tower die cs gas lighter heavier air \? know \? cs heavier air chemical weapons james cochrane danger , doubt , run space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles , scream shout rent
levin bbn com \( joel b levin \) subject earwax lines 18 nntp posting host fred bbn com bobm ingres com \( bob \) writes one question doctor flushed ears also advocated drop rubbing alcohol afterwards flush remaining trapped water said told swimming , works , stings like devil , 've always content let water ears swimming flushing figure get shaking head times wo n't trick comments \? trouble 's usually water trapped remaining wax n't see ca n't let eventually j nets levin bbn com earn sessions pots \( 617 \) 873
shade princeton edu \( john scott jr \) subject get rid flyback whine \? originator news nimaster nntp posting host shade princeton edu organization princeton university lines 10 recently took apart color sony tv clean volume pushbuttons put beast back together , flyback whine got much louder easy fix \? part resonating \? heard rumors spray fix noise simple thing tv repairman fix \? thanks , scott
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject new encryption organization dsi uscrpac lines 24 psionic wam umd edu , whose name either unfortunate coincidence casts serious doubt bona fides , posts message seems willing take word private firm knows little new encryption algorithm secure contains trapdoors , seemingly government clipper suppose depends paranoid one wishes , writer know firm n't , example , nsa front \? purposes message , know psionic n't \? n't suggest , post point class speculation truth value , without lots hard evidence , contrary one way , psionic said , lower case letters , firm claims back door , 'd problem phrasing david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
cdw2t dayhoff med virginia edu \( dances federal rangers \) subject ain't ! organization university virginia lines 20 article speedy 156 engr latech edu speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) writes confused \( like that's surprise ! \) , someone asked copy faq via e mail , wondering proper responce \? post email request , proper attributes , course , newsgroup request becomes matter rec moto public record warrants ceremonial gang glad help , ride safe , cliff weston dod '92 seca ii \( tem \) bike excellent condition 've done work glen crash stone
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) distribution na organization totally unorganized lines 71 article transarc com lyle seaman transarc com writes jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes somebody asked wrong overreacting cases probably meant nobody yet seemed jerry suggesting people currently overreacting , vehemently disagree see lot talk , much action see misunderstood jerry 's position reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper bunch 'll bitch net , go back lurking people work within system trying break \? examine history books , find many armed revolutions led democratic \( democratic style \) governments think 'll find one five thousand years written history actually , 's quite bad , 's close think everyone would soon work within system presence possibility using bullet box instead ballot box supposed deterrent keeping price massive abuse unacceptable however , governments , sure would like remove deterrence , make need armed citizens great \( n't need 'em till n't 'em \) think accurately called instead idea people sovereign government sure vogue beltway days , sure administration saying know best tell need , n't need , old fashioned anachronism called bill rights needed look , \( collectively \) power throw bums , n't use clearly n't need go burning things , government way eight bills congress either ban , tax , register useful weapons hands unconnected us subject say 200 00 box cartridges practice \? one current administrations top priority items disarm well connected , work government clearly need throw least bums unfortunately , bums learned target small groups people single time , masses wo n't react throw eventually , masses react , unless bums cease relentless encroachment liberty economy sooner happens , less damages n't want live war zone , either want see bums thrown real damage another tactic toss many outrages nobody give justice like done right lyle transarc 707 grant street 412 338 4474 gulf tower pittsburgh 15219 pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
bhullar bldg hsc campus \( raj bhullar \) subject montreal quebec summary montreal wins game 3 , without controversy keywords montreal wins game get back series nntp posting host bhullar oral umanitoba ca organization oral biology , univ manitoba lines 24 article msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) writes anyone see montreal quebec game yesterday \? tight right last second third period overtime roy hextall played like gods ok , montreal ! deserved getting first goal overtime waved puck hit high stick second goal overtime also replayed , could tell montreal player kicked puck definitely directed stick anyways , montreal back series dave vergolini michigan state university vergolin euler lbs msu edu replay clearly showed winning goal montreal went skate quebec defenceman checking kirk muller front hextall
joe13 pitt edu \( joseph b stiehm \) subject bruins organization university pittsburgh lines 13 come boston , hell \? seven wins row , choke \? 'd much rather see bruins wales conference finals vs pitt buffalo quebec , would interesting buffalo quebec ca n't put good fight , 'd much enjoy 7 0 bruins devils feel \( sp \? \) ah , well , maybe devils pull , maybe pens lose second round , , hope bruins meet
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject urine analysis nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 16 article transfer stratus com randy vos stratus com writes someone please help searching find \( many others may \) absolute removing detectable traces marijuana persons body chemical natural substance ingested added urine make undetectable urine analysis substances found could never go near stuff ! \) michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) subject rgb hls hsv conversion routines wanted organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host caspian usc edu article sun4nl nl , bultman dgw rws nl \( g w bultman \) writes hi , i'm looking rgb \( cube \) hls \( double \) hsv \( cylinder \) conversion routines rgb hsv , miss hls rgb hsv checked foley 's book \? solutions chapter 13 yeh usc
grumman com \( al chang \) subject appletalk imagewriter lq compatible needed reply cec uchile cl 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 14 19 48 gmt organization grumman corporation lines 24 article 1993apr22 dcc uchile cl cec uchile cl \( \) writes since image writer lq discontinued , apple talk printer 11 15 continous paper printer would like know possibility connect ibm compatible printer apple talk net directly \( net serial hardware \) , need software 've found quite solution yet following comes macuser 's grappler dot matrix printer interface cartridge emulates imagewriter includes networking software allows multiple users 159 orange micro 714 779 find information , please let know future problem , anyone else information please post thanks al
narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) subject fraud elias davidsson reply narain uiuc edu organization university illinois urbana lines 7 mark ira kaufman writes responsibility posting quotes context phony 'research center' source , context , agenda ridden , propaganda ever seen take look mirror , mark
ccastco prism gatech edu \( costas malamas \) subject help changing startup logo organization georgia institute technology lines 58 article 1993apr28 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes article f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( c doelle \) writes hello brad ! monday april 26 1993 17 24 , brad smalling wrote \( crosspost 1 \) bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs \( grabbed supercharging windows judd robbins great book \) bs also put logo windows startup might , much trouble \) brad , bmp convert rle know fact paintshop \( shareware cica desktop , think , filename zip \( think , vvv ver number 's true , let know , however , write rle file bmp extension , rename file less 64 k \( least 's faq says , mine wont work 30 maybe mend 32k , n't know \) agreed file fit vga size \( 480 860 , whatever standard vga size \) use non vga screen \( e g cga , ega , svga , also way , thing instead vgalogo lgo use another file , entirely true also bmp 16 colours less true finally , remember save current win com , put new win com windows directory also , n't start windows mickey path least resistance \( tm \) \) get wingif 1 4 cica \( ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 \( desktop \? \) \) save native rle format unlike \( otherwise fine , fine prog \) make file using anything less 30k , michael said , less 16 colors import wingif gif , pcx bmp save windows system vgalogo rle \( lgo \) exit win , run setup windows current config run win \( minor correction rle file 30k means 15k gif \? \) hope helps \( please , please someone put group 's faq \) costas malamas georgia institute technology oit ua oit n't pay enough share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
wynblatt sbgrad5 cs sunysb edu \( michael wynblatt \) subject good hands \( apology article \) organization state university new york stony brook lines 28 nntp posting host sbgrad5 cs sunysb edu keywords mattingly , fielding , good hands article eskimo com stevet eskimo com \( steven thornton \) writes stuff deleted mattingly scores badly counts n't get many balls , lets lot balls go fact looks smooth , great hands , makes errors means nothing traditional brainless reliance observations easily misled like lot bad fielders , mattingly actually makes look better range 's nowhere near bad steve garvey , 's much compliment agree flavor post , disagree one specific argument great hands means nothing seems first baseman 's defensive value entirely \( even primarily \) ability field grounders catch popups many chances get game \? many fewer gets chances catch throws 2b , ss , 3b p \( mean total much higher grounder popup totals \) implies value catching throws well , even high , line dirt good hands needed plays , thus value n't numbers relative number plays , 'd guess values abilities similar 's like n't judge catcher 's defense primarily field popups \( marked suppose \) michael
scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) subject gospels , josephus , etc origins reply scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu \( scharle \) organization univ notre dame lines 27 article 1993apr21 rambo atlanta dg com , wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) writes agree creation taught science macroevolution taught science however , teaching wildly speculative theories macroevolution explanation origins , equal time given creation neither one qualifies science create philosophy course call origins bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com speak interesting idea suggestion inspired post , title theories creation , collection various philosophies creation aware could explain theories would want taught , ones would \? , perhaps , n't included favorite theory \( , could describe inclusion updated list \) \? tom scharle scharle room computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university notre dame notre dame , 46556 usa
sequent com \( laura williams \) subject sale custom couch piano nntp posting host sequent sequent com organization sequent computer systems inc distribution socal lines 18 location corona del mar , ca \( orange county \) sale contemporary custom couch 7' long \( 3 \) solid black raw silk like material rolled clean design excellent condition \( left behind parents moved state \) 450 best offer sale console piano w bench cherry wood great condition 600 best offer contact dell louise williams \( 714 \) 644 \( 714 \) 760
subject scientists believe green house effect rodger scoggin ksc nasa gov \( rodger c scoggin \) nntp posting host 128 159 2 197 lines 7 article cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) says word sums , alot scientist concluded without doubt global climate occur \( ring \) dealt source reductions includes making sure price fossil fuels reflects true costs opinions reflective employer 's disclaimer
subject carpeting bosnia f36si cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 2 anybody carpeting bosnia serbia \? mean like , carpet bombing serbian positions \?
mlin nosubdomain nodomain \( ming lin \) subject video board keywords ati , windows reply mlin ichips intel com distribution usa organization workgroup computing division , pdx , intel lines 12 hi , plan upgrading monitor video card 1280x1024 dx2 66 isa \( local bus \) system would appreciate anyone drop email experience high resolution video board monitor thanks ming lin mlin ichips intel com \( 503 \) 696
wiseb colossus cs rpi edu \( bowden wise \) subject displaying stream output window organization rensselaer polytechnic institute computer science , troy ny lines 11 distribution comp nntp posting host colossus cs rpi edu using owl want display output stream popup window way perhaps redirect window \? alternatively set separate stream supports output able display stream output control \? anyone ever done something like \? bowden wise computer science dept , rensselaer polytechnic inst , troy , ny 12180 internet wiseb cs rpi edu
cis ohio state edu \( golden richard \) subject toshiba notebook sale organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines 47 nntp posting host swimming cis ohio state edu sale toshiba notebook computer specs \( 64k cache \) 25mhz , 8mb ram , 80 meg ide hard drive , 1 floppy , 5 9 lbs w battery installed , greyscale vga display , ps 2 mouse port , external keyboard port , 1 pcmcia port , external expansion port , external vga port , 1 serial , 1 parallel ports , socket numeric coprocessor \( user \) memory expandable voted editor 's choice pc magazine expansion station available toshiba also makes one economical power conservation options user definable hard drive period , screen dimming , auto cpu speed \( 12 5 , 6 mhz \) definable interval , etc comments purchased locally micro center columbus , oh 7 months ago original packaging , receipts , manuals included warranty keyboard machine best 've seen prefer keyboard desktop units typically get 3 4 hours battery life battery 2 hours full charge machine quite speedy run os 2 2 currently leave operating system installed unless prefer ms dos 5 0 \( included \) 'll include padded carrying case , also made toshiba price terms 1900 \( semi firm \) , certified check outside columbus , pay cod shipping please respond queries cis ohio state call 614 261 golden richard iii osu dept computer information sciences cis ohio state edu \( 614 \) 292
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update organization stratus computer , inc lines 33 distribution usa nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? funny , brent , far heard two versions facts 1 \) government says includes government says two survivors said 2 \) koresh 's lawyer \( actually inside compound \) says , including says survivors said strange , seem disagree important particulars anyone actually seen news reports survivors speaking first hand , feel free ot pitch may missed money story sound hell lot like case 2 , like case 1 cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject since 's grandparents slaughtered 600 , 000 kurds reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 216 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes sedar , seem nationalities mixed become spokesman kurds \? since criminal grandparents ruthlessly exterminated 600 , 000 kurds 1914 1916 eastern anatolia referring notes personal diary russian general l turkish front , wrote , nights 11 12 march , 1918 alone armenian butchers bayoneted axed death 3000 muslims areas surrounding erzincan threw victims pits , likely dug according sinister plans muslims , groups 80 counted 200 pits act world civilization march 12 , 1918 colonel wrote \( official russian account turkish genocide \) , roads leading villages bayoneted , joints carved organs muslim peasants alas ! mainly women children source doc dr azmi , russian view atrocities committed armenians turks , ankara , ankara , 1987 , pp 45 53 document 77 , archive 1 2 , cabin 10 , drawer 4 , file 410 , section , contents 1 12 , 1 18 \( acting commander erzurum regions commander second erzurum artillery regiment prisoner war , lieutenant colonel \) things heard seen two months , liberation erzurum turks , surpassed allegations concerning vicious , degenerate characteristic armenians russian occupation erzurum , armenian permitted approach city environs commander first army corps , general remained power , troops including armenian enlisted men , sent area security measures lifted , armenians began attack erzurum surroundings following attacks came plundering houses city villages murder owners houses plundering widely committed soldiers plunder mainly committed armenian soldiers remained rear war one day , passing streets horseback , group soldiers including armenian soldier began drag two old men seventy years certain direction roads covered mud , people dragging two helpless turks mud dirt understood later nothing tricks traps turks joined soon changed minds withdrew reason turks night patrol return , one knew happened turks sent outside city labour began disappear also finally , court martial established trials murderers , began fear would punished incidents murder rape , decreased , began occur frequently sometime january february , leading turkish citizen haci erzurum , killed one night home commander chief \( \) gave orders find murderers within three days commander chief bitterly reminded armenian intellectuals disobedience among armenian enlisted men reached highest point , insulted robbed people half turks sent outside city returned learnt details incident commander chief , follows killings organized doctors employers , act killing committed solely armenian renegades eight hundred unarmed defenceless turks killed erzincan large holes dug defenceless turks slaughtered like animals next holes later , murdered turks thrown holes armenian stood near hole would say hole filled corpses dead bodies , well , hole take ten ' thus ten turks would cut pieces , thrown hole , hole full would covered soil armenians responsible act murdering would frequently fill house eighty turks , cut heads one one following erzincan massacre , armenians began withdraw towards erzurum armenian renegades among withdrew erzurum erzincan raided moslem villages road , destroyed entire population , together villages transportation cannons , ammunition carriages outside war area , certain people hired among kurdish population conduct horse carriages travellers passing erzurum , armenians took advantage time russian soldiers dwellings began kill kurds hired russian soldiers heard cries dying kurds , attempted help however , armenians threatened russian soldiers would fate intervened , thus prevented acting terrifying acts slaughter committed hatred loathing lieutenant russian army described incident witnessed erzurum follows armenian shot kurd kurd fell die armenian attempted force stick hand mouth dying kurd however , since kurd firmly closed jaws agony , armenian failed attempt seen , armenian ripped open abdomen kurd , , finally killed stamping iron heel boot told us turks could escape village killed heads cut axes also told us seen thousands murdered children lieutenant colonel , passed village , three weeks massacre told us following thousands dead bodies hacked pieces , roads every armenian happened pass roads , cursed corpses courtyard mosque meter square , dead bodies piled height 140 among corpses men women every age , children old people women 's bodies obvious marks rape genitals many girls filled gun powder educated armenian girls , worked telephone operators armenian troops called lieutenant colonel courtyard mosque bitterly told proud armenians done lieutenant colonel 's disgusted amazement , armenian girls started laugh giggle , instead horrified lieutenant colonel severely girls indecent behaviour told girls armenians , including women , generally even wildest animals , indecent shameful laughter obvious evidence inhumanity barbarity , scene appalled even veteran soldiers , armenian girls finally remembered sense shame claimed laughed nervous armenian contractor communication zone command following incident took place february 20 armenians nailed turkish women wall cut women 's heart placed heart top head great massacre erzurum began february 7 enlisted men artillery division caught stripped 270 people took people bath satisfy lusts 100 people among group able save lives result decisive attempts others , armenians claimed , released learnt understood going among organized act envoy armenian officers , today , turks murdered streets february 12 , armenians shot ten innocent moslems russian soldiers attempted save people threatened death meanwhile imprisoned armenian murdering innocent turk armenian officer told armenian murderer would hanged crime , killer shouted furiously 'how dare hang armenian killing turk \? ' erzurum , armenians burned turkish market february 17 , heard entire population village , situated within artillery area , totally annihilated day antranik entered erzurum , reported massacre , asked track perpetrators horrible act however result achieved villages whose inhabitants massacred , natural silence night 26 27 february , armenians deceived russians , perpetrated massacre escaped fear turkish soldiers later , understood massacre based upon method organized planned circular population certain place killed one one number murders committed night reached three thousand armenians details massacre armenians fighting turkish soldiers number cowardly could even withstand turkish soldiers consisted five hundred people two cannons , one night , ran away leading armenians community could prevented massacre however , armenian intellectuals shared ideas renegades massacre , others lower classes within armenian community always obeyed orders leading armenian figures commanders like give impression armenian intellectuals accessories murders , people opposed armenians actions , since understood would yield result however , people minority furthermore , people considered traitors armenian cause seemingly opposed armenian murders supported massacres secretly , hand , preferred remain silent certain others , , accused russians infamy , would say following 'you russians never understand armenian cause ' armenians conscience would commit massacres would flee fear turkish soldiers incidents occurred recently clearly manifest real nature armenian ideology nothing already done undone serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
nmsu edu \( stephen horan \) subject white sands dc x x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 20 interesting note past days' believe poor old new mexico capable hosting commercial space launch business many reasons , , front lines see reason political referred day intended effect state new mexico establish start necessary government infrastructure back commercial space port commanding general wsmr full support dual use facilities wsmr location also strategic advantages form necessary infrastructure controlled air space support project folks involved done traditional aerospace equivalent vapor ware inviting folks kick non existent tires merely job prepare launch , n't think nothing happened interactions folks , get impression want set firm , believable launch date based vehicle readiness fiction plug space calendar believe happen summer n't worry , locals planning let everyone know occur stephen horan nmsu edu
pogo wv tek com \( scott walsh \) subject predicted runs lineup summary estimated runs 27 outs reply pogo wv tek com distribution usa organization tektronix , inc , wilsonville , lines 20 time back newsgroup , seem recall thread predicting runs given lineup 9 batters could expected score given appropriate statistical alphabet soup hitters \( obp , slg , avg , bat length , hat size , day week , weather conditions , etc \) \) anyway , dreaming animal \? apologies covered recently , probably get read 10 articles posted time many thanks advance , scotty scott walsh pogo wv tek com tektronix , inc graphics printing imaging products ibd \( 503 \) 685
mizzou1 missouri edu \( robert woodward \) subject gif viewer lines 7 nntp posting host 128 206 12 104 organization physiology dept , university missouri lines 7 trouble viewing gif files system large sections n't show tried vpic running gateway 486 speedstar plus vga card nec multisync 16 inch monitor suggestions \? n't know robert woodward department physiology , university missouri , columbia , mo e mail mizzou1 missouri edu
flb flb optiplan fi \( f baube tm \) subject tsniimach enterprise x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 26 wales larrison ofa123 fidonet org commercial space news space technology investor number 22 7 another pegasus competitor announced tsniimach enterprise described ex military establishment , focusing aerodynamics thermal protection spacecraft participated development shuttle system , located near npo energia facility kaliningrad , outside moscow facility kaliningrad , near moscow , fact ex east prussian , russian enclave baltic coast served ships rail , intrepid europe would find accessible might even want try arrange tour \( \? \? \) fred baube \( tm \) times intellectual ferment , baube optiplan fi advantage intellect include disclaimer h fermented may '68 , paris 's retrospective time ! ! p i'm quite glad couple people stated quite eloquently aesthetic natural objections space billboard
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject cached organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 11 reading many postings concerning hard drives i'm still unclear one thing new cached hard drives cache drive separate , like controller something \? thanks anyone clear tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
ac dal ca subject john bell luck catching yet \? organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 8 one unfortunate people run guy sent 30 cash \( stupid , know \) 4 cds last heard know people ripped guy advances tracking \? tom n
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject please tell 're permenant scratches ! organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 23 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) says catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu writes way wax dull finish \( minor \) \? passngering fiance 's bandit , hip pack rubbed tail left nasty dull finish teeny scratches way get rid \? buff \? wax \? help ! okay , 's get drill sanding disk use , say 100 disk go low rpm n't drill , try coarse steel wool brake fluid dot 4 uncanny knack removing paint imperfections oh , i'm responsible misuse either techniques dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu subject dennis martinez 's ! \? organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 12 know 's lot talk jack morris' horrible start , dennis martinez last checked 's 0 3 6 era wonder finally showing age \? usually start season slowly \? know plans start tonight hope comes around would appreciate feedback concerning outlook rest dennis martinez 's season thanks advance , mike
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject looking info \( p \? \) \( kinda long \) organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu lines 57 article shelley u washington edu , stein u washington edu \( kerry ryan \) writes hello , friend going \( sp \? \) breast cancer i'm trying learn info would appreciated thanks 've asked question many different drugs used chemotherapy overall purpose chemotherapy \( n't worry spelling crazy medical words impossible spell ! \) either destroy cancer cells keep growing different drugs different effects cancer cells , therefore , uncommon use one drug time drugs effective anytime growth cycle cell others work specific times cell cycle first phase cell cycle g1 protein synthesis rna occurs second phase , , synthesis dna occurs third phase g2 dna splits rna protein synthesized fourth phase , \( \) , cell may divide drugs effective phase stop dna synthesis others stop cell dividing others wreck protein synthesis rate , end result sought cancer cells stop growing seeking practical advice , apologize rambling techno stuff side effects pretty common drugs rather nasty cause person lose appetite experience nausea vomiting things help include eating small frequent meals also suggested nausea vomiting \( hereafter known n v \) occurs person notify doctor medicines help nausea diarrhea effect medications given , good fluid intake important probably one biggest hair loss always happen depends drugs given , person themself different people taking drug different side effects seen literature states wearing snug wearing ice cap help reduce hair loss , presumably reducing blood flow scalp anyone seen research , would love see , possibly bib data highly recommend making contact american cancer society vast selection literature information addition , friend , highly recommend reach recovery support group comprised entirely women lost breast cancer offer excellent support suggestions questions , please send e mail hav good access information , enjoy trying help people wish best friend
cs wisc edu \( \) subject saudi clergy condemns debut human rights group ! keywords international , non usa government , government , civil rights , social issues , politics organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 38 article optima cs arizona edu bakken cs arizona edu \( dave bakken \) writes article benali alcor benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) writes looks like ben baz 's mind heart also blind , eyes used respect , today lost minimal amount respect struggled keep muslim netters guy gave fatwah saudi arabia used united attack iraq attacking iraqis drive kuwait , country whose citizens close blood business ties saudi citizens thinks us helped iraqis would swallowed saudi arabia , \( least eastern \) muslim country much anything help liberate kuwait protect saudi arabia indeed , masses citizens demonstrating favor butcher saddam \( killed lotsa muslims \) , killing , raping , looting relatively rich muslims also thumbing nose west whole saddam going invade saudi arabia nothing us state department propeganda saddam \( iraq general \) never recognised british created kuwait trying recover land believed , much like kuwaitis pushed little far taking iraqi oil saddam thought 'd settle dispute old fashioned way everybody would much better left reunited iraq together concentrated taking saddam strong , united iraq elected government would gone long way world feudal dictatorships gulf course weak divided arab people better suits us foriegn policy us problem killing tens thousands ill iraqi soldiers , including burying several thousand alive slaughtering retreating air defense kuwaiti oil , yet lift finger bosnian serbs slaughter bosnian muslims
sjg maths warwick ac uk \( \) subject allergies stuff \( msg sensitivity superstition \? \) nntp posting host organization maths institute , warwick university , uk lines 37 unless plan getting sick wo n't eat stuff without ever learn read labels might please medical researcher pleased personal physician enough give allergy medicine allergy medicine , huh \? get rid resultant migraine whatever , actually suppress allergic reactions \? \( e like antihistamine \? \) far doctors concerned , slip eat something 're allergic \( even wo n't test tell avoid \) tough cheap medicine alleviate symptoms , fine , otherwise suffer one doctor prescribe \( costs nhs 48 6 tablets \) 'd throwing four solid days could n't even drink water got taken moved change doctors reasoning know side effects new ok , fine passed safety tests get prescription list , anyway prepared take risk quality life alternatives get prescribed privately , cannot afford , pay private allergy specialist test tell avoid fairly certain allergic one chemical additive , lot things ca n't eat nothing common except things know safe , testing n't really option many permutations i'm saying never consume anything msg 've noticed certain tolerance level like \( small \) bag bbq chips month problem bag chips bother also chicken yesterday lunch one chinese restaurants day yes , 've noticed work eating tolerance level fairly regularly n't eat anything except home cooking month lose work scratch bad experience know early warning symptoms , though , usually tell whether allergic food 've eaten much usually
qazi csd4 csd uwm edu \( aamir hafeez qazi \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines 22 reply qazi csd4 csd uwm edu nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator qazi csd4 csd uwm edu article gap caltech edu , wen king cs caltech edu \( wen king su \) article sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu \( steven morris \) writes villager quest seem like best voyager copies come along since mazda mpv nissan maxima engine paired maxima 4 speed auto trans excellent drive train , rest vehicle seems well engineered price controversial hmm last time checked , villager quest maxima engine , much powered weight yes , come maxima gxe engine maxima se transmission decent power minivan also check aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu care \? 'd rather watch drying paint
hagerp cs indiana edu \( paul hager \) subject batf fbi murders almost everyone waco today ! 4 19 organization computer science , indiana university lines 27 kevin axon usa \( kevin vanhorn \) writes article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes two nine escaped compound said fire deliberately set cult members correction fbi says two nine escaped said fire deliberately set cult members since press kept miles away , absolutely independent verification government 's claims matter indeed larry king two attorneys \( whose clients dead \) koresh another davidian show last night discussions survivors differ fbi account attorneys say told tanks knocked lanterns compound started fires government lied contradicted throughout whole affair 'll wait better evidence form opinion paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu would give devil benefit law safety 's sake man seasons robert bolt
gurgle netcom com \( pete gontier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization cellular distribution usa lines 15 bjgrier bnr ca \( brian grier \) writes gone long people ! get life n't converted anyone way thinking yet probably convert anyone let subject die quiet , though death keeps 'll start believing self righteousness capital offense 'll kill half net maybe n't bad idea pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com
csb1 engr uark edu \( chris bray \) subject tapes sale ! ! ! 2 50 \( ppd \) x received usenet pa dec com id mon , 26 apr 93 15 04 50 0700 x received inet gw 2 pa dec com id mon , 26 apr 93 15 04 45 0700 x received engr engr uark edu \( 1 28 1 2 \) id mon , 26 apr 93 17 03 cdt x mailer mail user 's shell \( 7 2 4 2 2 92 \) x alt rock n roll , rec music marketplace usenet , misc forsale usenet lines 58 hi still tapes left 2 50 \( postage paid \) best offer multiple orders appreciated , necessary package deals welcome thanks chris bray lewis , huey sports contains heart rock roll , heart soul , want new drug , walking thin line , , ! ! ! nervous night contains danced , day day , zombies , nervous night poison look cat dragged 1st tape contains cry tough , wont forget , talk dirty , ! hall oates big bam boom contains touch , possession obsession , ! cellar contains wanted man , round round , ! quiet riot condition critical contains outfield play deep contains say n't , love , love world , ! plant , robert shaken n' stirred contains little little journey raised radio contains girl cant help , suzanne , good , ill alright without , cant night go forever best contains big hits plus inxs kick contains , new sensation , devil inside , need tonight , never tear us apart , , ! great tape csb1 engr uark edu chris bray uafhp uark edu university arkansas , know , white coral , painted brown , attached skull common wood screws , make child look like deer
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject gamma ray bursters positional stuff organization u toronto zoology lines 21 article 1993apr29 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes actually , advisor , another classmate mine , talking day putting one detector one pluto satellites realized satellite alone carrying something like 200 pounds eq well , batse detector needs lead shielding protect , 1 alone weighs 200 pounds actually , situation even worse total mass pluto fast flyby spacecraft pounds , support equipment like power communications mass available instruments maybe 10 n't think batse fit actually , would need shielding \? understanding 's mostly give detectors point 've got one i'm sure burst detectors flown deep space missions n't weighed much \( mind , 're probably still heavy people would put pluto specific instruments first , mass spare \) svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
crosfield co uk \( richard kirk \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 \( silly \) organization crosfield , hemel , uk lines 9 's number legs , know richard kirk image processing group crosfield electronics ltd u k crosfield co uk hemel , , hp2
magnus acs ohio state edu \( justin \) subject video tapes sale \( adult \) nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 20 following playboy videos sale email interested original tapes \( course \) original boxes video playmate calendar 1991 wet wild ii sexy ii sexy iii prices 15 , 2 25 , 3 35 , 4 45 also bunch magazines \( playboy , , , , club , \) email interested i'm willing sell part collection cheaply justin \( magnus acs ohio state edu \) builders built buildings like write programs , first came along would destroy civilization
iastate edu \( paul \) subject 12 record singles sale organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 76 i'm selling bunch older 12 records sitting around collecting dust never use used records , , maybe twice n't record song wanted correctly first time records perfect condition please email records would want think fair price probably give deals , records buy kinda n't well give yell iastate edu comments see ya paul recieved questions 12 guess elaborate \( \? \? \? ! ! ! ! old \? \) singles wax correct beat still use form record probably kind person interested parts questions call \( 515 \) 294 thanks see ya artist song soul ii soul get life \( back life \) back life mob put hands together \( rhythm within \) c'mon get janet jackson rhythm nation black cat milli blame rain \( girl i'm gonna miss \) priest close \( know love \) quincy jones 'll good inxs suicide blonde \( body wants u tonight \) kinda girl mc hammer turn \( ring 'em \) madonna keep together vogue lisa right time around world \( \) b love emotion depeche mode personal jesus \( dangerous \) policy truth \( \) enjoy silence \( \) england world motion snap ooops \( believe hype \) power tic tac toe rebel mc street tuff rob base turn mr lee get busy love 's party \( 'll drive crazy \) time jerk black box everybody everybody johnny gill rub right way b 52 's roam \( \) right thing digital underground humpty dance beat \( pump jam , tough \) jane child n't wanna fall love \( world \) young mc come bust move \( got \) 2 room wiggle glenn ai n't worth
rpicas porto inescn pt \( rui picas \) subject subscribe organization internet lines 3 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert export lcs mit edu please subscribe e mail rpicas porto inescn pt
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject morality constant \( biblical rape \) organization decision support inc lines 99 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com last response thread fell bit bucket vanished \( though appearing locally \) 'll repost , since always feel someone appears ignore one postings thread , n't want rob think i'm since dated , however , n't feel compelled respond article watson ibm com strom watson ibm com \( rob strom \) writes making two separate points , attack face value bible interpretation \( 1 \) judge bible 's value today , judge based way used today , commentators actually say , rabbis teach , etc suspect meant context jewish tradition referring one problem highly interpreted tradition like happens schism occurs , time certain large influential branches heretical group come favor exactly face value interpretation \( 2 \) judge bible 's value originally written , \( \) read context time \( today 's assumptions \) , \( b \) compare practices surrounding people context time important , value judgments must ultimately according current understanding , least base standard \( relative stability success society , e g \) obviously true comparing practices surrounding people , instance according bible , surrounding people immoral savages repulsive inhuman habits need look rather peoples really like instance , way better worship single god whose presence strongest tent temple multiple gods whose presence represented statue \? bible 's terms idolatry inherently evil , see evidence followers various religions area time particularly bad people , relative people bible scissors cloth past , ancestors cut cloth scissors , least knew inhumane neighbors cut bare teeth , relatively enlightened step forward earlier barbarism , made transition modern civilized paper cutting much easier sounds good , presupposes teeth neighbors , see support one argue post facto assertion inhumane neighbors used make moral points , n't mean actual neighbors really inhuman point , people across river mountain , even different people dwelling among us , common complex benign moral traditions evolved based particular mythic interpretations history interesting , still n't think fair take long tradition interpretation use attack condemnation original history note i'm speaking historical interpretation , instance claiming 's eye eye primitive brutal retribution , version enlightened benign fine \( tradition since interpreted phrase way \) 3000 years ago , probably meant thing sure , i'm arguing parochial perspective belong tiny tribe struggled overwhelming odds survival distinct tribe , book book tribe book commands us dedicate study , improve world , set example light nations 've revered book , think 've successful scientists , artists musicians , leaders important humanitarian causes 's hard separate success people virtue book 'd argue 'd done significantly better different book book , another tribe different book book done significantly better n't belittle accomplishments , particularly intellectual ones , jewish people given trying think analogy , since n't know similar \( closest think , n't know enough make meaningful comparison \) think tradition reflective study , flexible rather dogmatic interpretation , good thing think attitude case could made could done well starting 1943 captain america comic \( whatever babylonian equivalent would \) jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee , jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
rick miller rick ee uwm edu subject x face \? organization lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host 129 89 2 33 summary go ahead swamp ! i'm familiar format x face , seeing headers , 've got see \( maybe make one \) ! 've got dpg view linux box \( displays uncompressed x faces \) 've managed compile un i'm looking , ca n't seem find x face 's anyones news headers ! \( could , would , please send x face header \? know 'll probably get little swamped , handle hope rick miller rick ee uwm edu ricxjo discus mil wi us ricxjo muelisto send postcard , get one back ! enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion ! rick miller 16203 woods muskego , wis 53150 usa
subject going \? odie santarosa edu \( scott \) distribution inet nntp posting host odie santarosa edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 49 paul repacholi \( zrepachol cc curtin edu au \) wrote ps first posting saw thought joke bad taste person broke news 's worth clipper chip announcement \( clipper csrc ncsl nist gov \) wrote note file also available via anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist gov directory pub nistnews via nist computer security bbs 301 948 5717 white house n't able open ftp session machine operating assumption address wrong , tried using whois ls nist gov nsf net host domain name internet address ncsl server mail gw ncsl nist gov mail gw ncsl 129 6 48 199 ncsl server dove nist gov ncsl server ecf ncsl nist gov ecf ncsl 129 6 48 2 ncsl server enh nist gov ncsl server ncsl nist gov ncsl 129 6 48 12 's could find ncsl domain oh , tried mx lookup machine question , failed whois domain registries failed , thought , hey , i'm using tools right tried calling bbs number answer i'm probably something wrong , perhaps , machine put behind firewall look like csrc ncsl nist gov become un machine someone would try , knows 's , 'd really appreciate info scott odie santarosa edu
subject dirty diesels \? stubbs hawk cs ukans edu \( jerry stubbs \) distribution na organization university kansas computer science dept lines 5 yeah , hate follow exhaust ground level diesels well maintained , either , seems run long people keep going long top end worn
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 54 first , kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( hey , 's ! \) wrote 19 \( 2 mb worth ! \) uuencode 'd gif images contain charts outlining one many alternative space station designs considered crystal city second , kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( \) wrote posted gif files anonymous ftp server ics uci edu retrieve ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif ics uci edu incoming gif last two scanned color photos others scanned briefing charts deleted ics uci edu system manager days , 's time grab 're interested sorry took long get , trying ames server , 's space need clarify situation incoming directory ics uci edu allow ls command files \( checked 04 28 93 9 35 cdt \) , get \( n't forget binary mode ! \) , ca n't ls incoming directory update mark 's design made cover space news week one design alternatives rejected 's still plugging wish luck using et 's basis space station good idea long time may best design win ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 good ideas adopted automatically must driven practice courageous admiral g
waikato ac nz subject windows 3 1 video driver organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 11 've got old super vga card manufactured taiwan i'm looking windows 3 1 driver 's based cirrus logic cl b chip 've contacted suppliers new zealand say windows 2 divers ever written manufacturer 's v3 1 driver chip set 'd like know preferably e mail waikato ac nz thanks advance ross james
nl oracle com \( jason durbin \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization oracle europe lines 24 nntp posting host article sugar neosoft com , jpsb neosoft com \( jim shirreffs \) writes fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? james dusek james , could determined stay together compound matter happened perhaps fire accidental , db simply refused leave died fighting fire \? knows wait see find hard believe would agree burn ! horrible way go jim shirreffs seem recall graphic news file buddhist monks setting fire streets saigon yes , horrible way go , apparently horrible someone enough religious conviction might able carry , since 've discovered bullet wounds couple bodies compound , possiblity power self also power take ones less constitutional , maybe fbi ran fire raging , executed two , ran jason durbin oracle europe
mll aio jsc nasa gov \( mark littlefield \) subject space surveillance \? reply mll aio jsc nasa gov organization lockheed esc nasa jsc lines 32 article cpva saic com , thomsonal cpva saic com writes stuff deleted leads general question yet people us , russia , japan space surveillance , , \? allen thomson saic mclean , va , usa french spot example comes mind although company \( name escapes moment \) sells images world wide , bet last dollar \( \? \? \) french gov't gets first remember years ago \( time spot launched \) , speaking dad \( usaf officer \) , happend mention spot \( think talking technology utilization \) went ballistic wanted know knew spot knew guess space surveillance sensitive topic air force could n't believe would read system popular press \( ie av week \) mark , mark l littlefield intelligent systems department internet mll aio jsc nasa gov lockheed engineering sciences 2400 nasa rd 1 mc c 19 houston , tx 77058
fester island com \( mike fester \) subject bonilla organization usr local rn organization lines 25 article 1993apr21 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes say black , mean us born black people purposes discussion hispanic players baseball 1947 , one team 50 's signed lots hispanics went better local audience blacks black hispanics \? would hispanics stick around blacks \? n't know remember country special racial laws one group one group blacks national history man , better serious reading really , really doubt meant say mike disclaimer opiini h h damn ! h h q w q wq wq ! x \? exit x q c \? quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit ! quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x \? help helpquit ! ! man help c c e ! help exit \? quit \? q ctrlshftdel hey , stop l1a
rising zoo toronto edu \( jim rising \) subject modest request organization u toronto zoology lines 24 finding volume stuff rec sport baseball overwhelming ca 200 posts day effect builds , many posts get dumped system could probably fix n't time read event guess mine common problem ideas would help 1 person generally post one article day 2 limit extent previous posts reproduced posts 3 n't post mindless , ' , ' e g jays best ! jays suck 4 n't respond mindless posts , e g jack morris better pitcher frank viola 's world series know use key get posts , bump interesting posts disk 5 use goddamn shift key etc makes posts easier read name jim rising mail dept zoology , univ toronto , toronto , ontario , canada m5s uucp uunet ! ! utzoo ! rising bitnet rising zoo utoronto ca
cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization university illinois urbana lines 35 morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu \( bruce salem \) writes article c5ztju fkx news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes nt tossed info jesus realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? tossed source , would regarded unbiased independant \? brings another something never understood asked got interesting responses , somehow n't seem satisfied would nt considered good source might literary historical question , studied history always looked firsthand original sources write papers topic mr x , looked see mr x wrote anything topic group , look group , etc topic mr x , mr x write anything , \( barring theistic response bible divinely inspired ca n't adequately argue \) , would n't look people ate , worked , walked , talked , etc \? someone event would n't better reporter someone heard second hand \? guess n't firsthand better second hand know , bias , winners writing history , n't principle firsthand best still apply \? mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton
golf phoenix oulu fi \( jouko kylmaoja \) subject wc , pool organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 10 italy sweden 2 6 \( 0 1 , 1 2 , 1 3 \) w l canada 2 2 0 0 6 1 4 sweden 3 2 0 1 8 6 4 russia 2 1 1 0 6 4 3 italy 3 1 1 1 5 8 3 austria 2 0 0 2 2 5 0 switzerland 2 0 0 2 0 3 0
ivan erich triumf ca \( ivan reid \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 93113 wuvmd wustl edu , brad thone c09615bt wuvmd writes n't done , dangerous takes getting used read ed 's list yep ed 's list 45 degrees , wind 's strong ride \) ivan reid , paul scherrer institute , ch ivan cvax psi ch gsx600f , rg250wd si 2 66 american degrees european ! dod 484
cleveland freenet edu \( stephen \) subject project help organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 17 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hello , new news group , need info currently project class internet looking good sources information space astronomy , notably , solar system anyone knows good sites get information kinda stuff , please e mail vax003 stockton edu thanx steve \( newsreader n't sig yet , sorry \) please address vax003 stockton edu faa gov
npet bnr ca \( nick pettefar \) subject squid \? \( riceburner respect \) nntp posting host bmdhh299 organization bnr europe ltd , maidenhead , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 24 dana h myers , tue , 20 apr 93 19 51 16 gmt wibbled article c5qqxp ie1 cbmvax cbm commodore com hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) writes article 1993apr15 192558 3314 icomsim com mmanning icomsim com \( michael manning \) writes duck squids n't wave , return waves ever , even excuse ignoramus , squids everybody chris behanna especially squid dana h myers i'm bmw squid two arms longer , nick \( bs biker \) dod 1069 concise oxford longer arms m'lud nick pettefar , contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated bnr , npet bnr ca '86 bmw k100rs kay maidenhead , united kingdom pres pbwasoh \( uk \) , bs 0002 \(
khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale casio boss sf 8000 personal business organizer organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 14 nntp posting host aludra usc edu casio b sf 8000 organizer \( 64k \) hardware software nice personal organizer excellent shape allows store phone numbers addresses \( searches , etc \) , business cards info , schedules , also provides home work time calculator also password protection alarms nice 6 line lcd screen mini qwerty keyboard comes lets interface computer \( mac ibm \) transmit receive data \( forms \) software macintosh runs nifty tool people go interested , please email offer thanks necessary instruction manuals cables thanks khoh usc edu
loh fraser sfu ca \( keith meng wei loh \) subject canucks 3 2 winnipeg organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 51 jets gave canucks another run money almost identical game first series came short vancouver winnipeg 3 2 pattern first game repeated tonight , canucks scoring quickly going sleep second period , jet comeback goals greater talent jets looked dangerous one n't make difference numbers counted goals vancouver 's big line produced , centre cliff ronning left winger geoff courtnall scoring first second boost canucks 2 0 lead giveaways suspect jet defence bautin ulanov mental lapses defence goal scoring talent areas made difference three canuck goals however , first game , jets worked hard take game canucks second period jets dominated second , checking hard vancouver zone without challenged canuck team wanted pack early hard work paid late second , tie domi caught vancouver goalie kirk mclean surprise sharp angle shot make score 2 1 domi 's goal gave jets new life began take rush canuck 's collapsing defence canucks unwilling anything let mclean take shots clear rebounds jets allowed set make plays goalies made saves play picked considerably mclean made three great saves second dancing selanne essensa rocked pavel bure drive selanne looked dangerous rush jets pressed series attacks canuck zone canucks , hand , looked like offering four checking lines effort preserve slim lead series minor penalties end second period resulted one man advantage jets early third jet 's tempo numminen drove puck point mclean 's legs net tie game 2 2 canuck 's play picked left characterized long lead passes either never connected picked jets individual rushes tight winnipeg defence never supported however , first second canuck goals , jet defensive lapse \( bonehead play \) stalled winnipeg comeback faceoff winnipeg zone , pavel bure left stand crease jet defender anywhere near bure , invisible game point , took rebound managed roof backhand even though balance late jets come back essensa made bench one minute go extra attacker nothing attack canucks 3 , winnipeg 2 next game friday winnipeg jets hole two games 30
bereson ide com \( alex bereson \) subject united nations folders cheap ! ! ! originator bereson organization interactive development environments , sf lines 42 official united nations folders contains stamps issued year along descriptive information regarding issue stamps mint never retail \( catalog \) prices listed leading united nations dealer , mike stamps issued use u n offices new york geneva switzerland price take 50 current retail price folder take 10 folders take 60 total take 32 folders take 65 total many cases folders priced face value stamps , particularly geneva ones year new york geneva 1963 9 75 1964 4 50 1965 5 95 1966 2 75 1967 2 75 1968 5 95 1969 2 45 7 50 1970 2 75 8 95 1971 2 75 5 50 1972 3 75 6 35 1973 2 75 4 95 1974 3 75 5 75 1975 3 45 6 75 1976 7 45 7 35 1977 3 50 5 45 1978 4 50 5 35 1979 4 15 5 25 1980 4 25 4 75 1981 4 85 4 50 shipping add 25 cents per folder cover actual first class shipping cost foreign orders , charge actual shipping cost \( airmail \) , let know many folders want thanks !
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject blues playoff stats first round keywords blues , hull , janney , shanahan , joseph nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 63 blues playoff scoring end norris semifinals ps name gp g pts pim pp sh gw en rw 16 brett hull 4 5 3 8 2 0 4 0 2 0 c 15 craig janney 4 2 4 6 1 0 1 0 2 0 21 jeff brown 4 1 5 6 1 4 0 0 0 0 lw 19 brendan shanahan 4 2 3 5 0 6 2 0 0 0 c 7 nelson emerson 4 1 2 3 1 2 0 0 0 0 rw 9 denny felsner 4 1 1 2 2 2 0 0 0 0 lw 10 dave lowry 4 1 0 1 2 2 0 1 0 0 lw 17 basil mcrae 4 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 lw 14 kevin miller 4 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 rw 23 rich sutter 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 c 28 bob bassen 4 0 0 0 1 6 0 0 0 0 lw 36 philippe bozon 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 c 18 ron wilson 4 0 0 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 5 garth butcher 4 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 33 stephane quintal 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 44 bret hedican 4 0 0 0 0 8 0 0 0 0 34 murray baron 4 0 0 0 1 8 0 0 0 0 4 rick zombo 4 0 0 0 1 10 0 0 0 0 g 31 curtis joseph 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 doug 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 c 22 ron sutter 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 rw 38 igor korolev 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 rw 39 kelly chase 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 curt giles 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 g 29 guy hebert 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 rookie goaltending gp min ga avg w l en sa save 31 curtis joseph 4 251 6 1 43 4 0 0 2 140 957 29 guy hebert 0 00 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 00 team totals 4 251 6 1 43 4 0 0 2 140 957 shutouts sa shots goals 13 6 1st period 4 1 2nd period 3 4 3rd period 5 1 overtime 1 0 power play goals 7 29 1 24 short handed goals 1 0 empty net goals 0 0 shots 97 140 \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
pyotr halcyon com \( peter hampe \) subject stop former beloved damn organization northwest nexus inc lines 48 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com marc n106 z1 fidonet org \( marc \) writes quoting drieux , drieux dated 04 11 93 point , alluded , long usa remains state rebellion god 's divinely appointed vicar colonies , expect alienated god 's wonderful plan \? \? \? pleased restoration bourbon de bourbon 's tree climb , church farce destroys cultures i'm knocking religious morality , think americans take religion seriously point trying convert anyone anything particular sect 's question power salvation religions breed flock \( islam , judaism , christianity \) religion opiate masses , fanaticism brother , like 're pretty self never heard arguement absurdity , eh \? also called sarcasm usual procedure accept part arguement run one goes beyond ring changes z b idea minimum wage considered good one times economic difficulty , washington legislature raise state 4 25 \( federal level \) 4 90 \( fifteen cents oregon 's \) would seem increase keep pace inflation , minimum wage 6 08 figures , proposed raise minimum wage 6 50 per hour 1 july give 10 cost living increase every 4 july anyone n't like obviously country club republican getting rich exploitation poor people chus pyotr pyotr halcyon com sometimes pyotr filipivich , sometimes owl optimist bagpiper beeper
me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) subject pc parallel \( ! \) originator me170pjd emba uvm edu organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 50 article sys6626 bison mb ca , baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) erickson azure nmt edu \( alan erickson \) writes i'm trying bring 8 bits pc , would like use interrupt driven routines without buying io board making new port , bring bits \? lpt seems inputs , 've heard rumours lpts bidirectional lines anybody know fer sure \? bi lpts , boards \( 'll running new 386dx 33 \) \? yes , possible i'm making 7 stepper controller board , 7 digital inputs , \( \) 18 digital outputs port one main thing tell whether port bi directional bus look chip numbered n't , 's probably , good reading , following first , find address port , \( decimal \) either 888 , 632 pascal , would write \( port xxx \) xxx address either hex decimal status lines , pins 14 , 16 , 17 , well strobe , pin 1 , bi directional lines , read base address 2 , 888 , read status , read 890 also output lines fashion data lines pascal , port xxx value hope helps let know need help inspiration comes baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca seek baden de bari unknown happens , helped quite bit i'm considering building similar device something summer idea code 8 output bits multiple 2 bit current amplified output channels software handle way amplified outputs manipulated magic box handle applications stepper motors also looking robot arm \( cheap \) attach box wow impress friends hints \? peter j demko me170pjd uvm edu
organization penn state university robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu subject bruins fans \? \? \? 1993apr23 vicorp com lines 48 article 1993apr23 vicorp com , dan vicorp com \( dan \) says even see one little boston fan post , 'cept bruins fans n't cocky guess concept fan cocky something could n't possible understand , eh \? sig nothing put sig nothing article , learned back fall , hard way nah doubt really would 're provocative sob usual large stick course , mean mean n't \? \) nicest way \) sure \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? much bragging , , r b c umass ! ! ! beat quakers \? two points , one r b c hockey \? secondly , umass beat quakers \? \? \? hello ! ! ! earth , responding \? \? \? 're atlantic 10 \( 8 whatever wanna call \) , 're big 10 ! ! ! 10 weak lady lions go challenging conference n't pay big east showed thing , still posted regular basis tracked women 's scores reviews throughout tournament n't reason stop posting \) btw congratulations go sabres playing 's yet anyone chance come back 4 games , think boston , still see buffalo winning 6 , win deserve agreed 're playing tremendous hockey right three straight buffalo could easily 2 1 boston , buffalo come tough little luck \( never see penalty ot n't sides involved playoff game never never never ! \) robbie po 1993 's streakers comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's pgh penguins see , wait penguins 4 , devils 3 1991 , 1992 stanley possibility , n't see penguins lead , 3 0 cup champions \) strong resemblance dg '89
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? lines 22 article 1993apr22 midway uchicago edu , jacquier uchicago edu \( eric jacquier \) says looks like 2 shots per week 6 months followed 1 shot per month shot costs 20 talking soaring costs health care system , would call racket talking rare , garbage grows behind doctor 's office apart issue , somewhat disappointed find keep getting shots forever right \? might look allergy doctor area uses drops instead shots treatment \( given small bottle antigens 3 drops placed tongue 5 minutes \) allergy grass way throughout treatment process return doctor 's office every month testing new bottle antigens allergy completely bottle maintenance antigens lasts 4 months \( drops taken 3 times per week \) , costs 20 cost less shots convenient take drops home bruce long
games max u washington edu subject words chairman boeing ssto type stuff article max 1993apr27 1 distribution world lines 57 nntp posting host max u washington edu yesterday , went boeing shareholders meeting bit shorter expected last year \( stock first \) , made big presentation 777 , programs year , much bare bones case , wanted ask question board directors would hear , got early , figured n't get mike , maybe would read mine card , wrote , handed meeting started , mr said would answer written questions , order fair people overflow room monitors downstairs naturally , crushed , question answer time came , suprised find question read answered admittedly near end ones took presumably getting early , getting question early made difference , substance question boeing looking anything beyond high speed civil transport , commercial space launch system , , boeing compete reusable single stage orbit technology presently developed mcdonnell douglass \? well , read without hitch , without editing , impressed , answered quickly treating two part question , last part first best recollection said far single stage orbit technology , think better answer two stage approach , talking customers far commercialization , long ways high speed civil transport far commercial planning goes point , tells boeing still considers space non commercial arena , part true , however also tells consider enough money building space launchers work , friend spacelifter program boeing actually , mis , spacelifter contract work guy , however , work preparation proposal space lifter contracts wo n't tell , maybe tsto action taking place boeing minimum , chairman board boeing said approach mind , trying something anybody know anything \? really news \? threaten work dc \? \? john
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject rewording second amendment \( ideas \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr21 ousrvr oulu fi , dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi \( foxvog douglas \) writes article viking ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes 'll give little hint see manure pile farmer 's field road \? usa , weapon mass destruction , nope considered weapon ironic , since 's pretty much used blow world trade center cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
gentry bcstec ca boeing com \( tim gentry \) subject xio fatal io error 22 problem reply dcl ca boeing com organization boeing computer services lines 29 posted friend without posting access \( e mail access \) help , anyone ! x client terminated following message xio fatal io error 22 \( invalid argument \) x server xxxxx 0 0 requests \( known processed \) 78 events remaining known occur displaying xsun \( x11r4 \) server occurs higher frequency client displays \( x11r4 \) server running 10 3 5 apollo anybody know may happening \? suggestions would greatly appreciated reply set 'll summarize net doug leary software development boeing computer services dcl ca boeing com tim gentry boeing computer services gentry bcstec ca boeing com posting way officially represents opinions boeing , boeing computer services possibly even poster , matter
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject atari 2600 processors organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 71 article sunb ocs mq edu au ifarqhar laurel ocs mq edu au \( ian farquhar \) writes article 1993apr21 599 das harvard edu squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) writes atari 2600 used 6502 cpu , like entire 8 bit line \( 400 , 800 , 1200 , 1400 , 1440 , 130xe , computers , well 5200 game machine \) wrong , 6507 sorry ian , n't several years n't seen quite years saw post lagging quite days , thought 'd toss 0 02 assume 6507 functionally similar 6502 \( also made mos technologies \? \) really versed \( 6502 based \) atari computers 2600 came later 2600 extra asic chips basically modified graphics chips pia 's joysticks one chip \( asic sense word understood \) tia \( sometimes known 6526 , although manufacturers list cia complex interface adapter \) tia stands television interface adapter , handles sound , paddles minimal video hardware 2600 possessed atari computers , cia chip refer sounds awful lot like \( color television interface adapter \) chip used early models later atari upgraded \( graphics \) colorful literature stated might stood george , developer chip also standard ram , , timer \( riot \) , plus voltage regulator \( memory serves \) 555 timer 's later model 2600 might incorporated many chips one , weight machines part count decreased lot years according servicing documentation 2600 change much funny , old new model old one significantly heavier additionally , think 2600 used 2k , 4k , 8k rom games roms mapped upper 4k 6507 's address space 2k 4k games fine , later 8k 16k games needed bank switching atari \( others \) made much huge cartridges idea much ram work , would hazard guess 2 4k ram sorry , way line first microcontroller built based chipset 128 bytes onboard easy work \( small 2k board eprom \) wrong , 128 bytes ram riot multiply mapped page 0 \( pseudo registers \) page 1 \( stack \) , also throughout bottom 4k memory tia registers also sat address space 128 bytes ram somewhat limiting , later cartridges also carried ram , interesting atari provided write line cart managed mapping reads ram one address range , writes another , time scheme ate scarce rom address space ian
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject thoughts vw corrado vr6 keywords vw corrado organization university westminster lines 8 ec , corrado vr6 rated handling car side goes , read article comparing vr6 ford probe \( later launched uk \) vr6 powerful \( even 2 9 instead 2 8 ec \) fun drive etc etc probe slightly smoother engine \( thanx mazda ! \) sum 'both cars fast vr6 bit drive 're prepared work shaz
mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 33 article 20apr93 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand agree nick 's big deal long games \? want watch baseball , 's much baseball watch yes , baseball includes space plays well plays first , longer game way suggests baseball watch , unless include watching grass grow baseball games batters stepping box , pitchers taking longer pitches excessive trips mound managers pitching coaches 's true gaps plays interesting , true n't become extra long quickly pitched games grab hold attention much better bring back two hour baseball game ! \( three half hour golf game ! \) michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 suppliers software developers data 408 996 1974
subject help phone wire ones tip ring \? mlevin husc8 harvard edu \( michael levin \) distribution usa organization harvard university science center nntp posting host husc8 harvard edu lines 11 bought little gizmo supposed installed series tip ring lines phone wire ones \? suppose holding regular phone wire , little plastic tooth \( little plastic square thing naked lead ends plug phone \) facing , away 4 wires see tip ring \? please reply mlevin husc8 harvard edu mike levin
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 44 article athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell topic beaten death year ago concrete problem lead acid batteries often fail disuse \( charged long time \) , 's way concrete floor could cause problem concrete floor accelerates problem heat sink colder lead acid battery self discharges slightly faster rate 's old tale sitting piece wood floor works help keep killing battery fast battery 'll set battery piece styrofoam , self discharge even slower best thing would attach small load small transistor radio volume turned low leave constantly , also trickle charge every couple days shallow cycle charge battery mild exercising lead acid battery next best thing completely removing electrolyte storage remove electrolyte , may sure keep separate storage containers cell 's electrolyte put back cells refill battery n't critical brand new battery fully charged state , maximize restored output older battery may fully charged remove electrolyte storage neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
diana cair du edu \( chris \) subject centris 610 clock adjustment \? organization university denver , denver , colorado distribution usa lines 11 reading review centris 610 months macworld reviewer said 4 could make adjustment clock speed chip change 20mhz 25mhz n't heard , n't think 040 chip replacement \( fpu \) seen much talk anyone ideas \? du edu
emarsh hernes sun eng sun com \( eric marsh \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sun lines 34 nntp posting host hernes sun article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes frank , unless n't realize , involved debate various opinions , entity frame opinion expressed think n't need state dreadful r word , 's sometimes correct say morality objective , \? able prove morality objective , would correct problem , meaning words question , oxymoronic course could redefine words , would still lend support underlying concept , could hardly wrong , without dragging word parse could hardly wrong without dragging word \? part , say relativism true , 's opinion folk get heated , belief relativism merely matter taste \? \( fair , calm , get impression 's n't care notions objectivity flavour right \? \) problem objectivity objectivity led conclude morality subjective frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon eric
korenek nmti com \( gary korenek \) subject hint 486 vlb isa eisa motherboard keywords 486 , motherboard organization network management technology inc distribution usa lines 55 article news iastate edu schauf iastate edu \( brian j schaufenbuel \) writes article id nmti com korenek nmti com \( gary korenek \) writes believe vl eisa isa motherboard uses hint chipset limited 24 bit eisa dma \( 'real' eisa dma 32 bit \) hint eisa dma 16 mb ram addressing limitation isa reason would pass one \( hawk vl eisa isa \) look ing replace exactly reason please double check words , call motherboard manufacturer ask motherboard supports true 32 bit eisa dma limitation , motherboard works quite well \( using mine dos 5 , windows 3 1 , unix 2 \) also adaptec 1742a eisa scsi host adapter gary korenek \( korenek nmti com \) correct ! motherboard manufacturer usually buy boards says problem fixed two weeks brian j schaufenbuel n't see problem chip set \( mistake \) , see something designed intentionally would seem enhance design \( 24 32 bit eisa dma \) would require update chipset update chipset may begat update motherboard board design i'm motherboard manufacturer seems passing simple fix mind fix updated chipset hint along possible motherboard layout update simple would cautious might look advanced integration research \( air \) vl eisa motherboard slots eisa isa capable 2 \( 3 \) slots vl bus capable air people confirmed board supports 'real' 32 bit eisa dma \( called \) pentium p5 \( \? \) capable less expensive equivalent ami micronics vl eisa board look computer shopper \( april '93 \) ads show air mother board associate bought air board pleased i'm attempting get local dealer trade hawk board air board model number air board \( 486 33dx \) call motherboard warehouse \( example \) price phone 's included air \( 408 \) 428 0800 motherboard warehouse \( 800 \) 486 gary korenek \( korenek nmti com \) network management technology incorporated sugar land , texas \( 713 \) 274 5357
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject welcome police state usa lines 38 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article rigel tamu edu , mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes xref dscomsa alt activism talk politics misc article 1993apr20 udel edu , carroll hercules cis udel edu \( mark c carroll \) writes wait second , 're ignoring major facts attempt simply serve warrant batf knock warrant initial firefight began batf threw concussion grenades building \( batf admits ! \) batf say \? everything 've seen batf , official version dissident statements batf officers conducted raid claims davidians shooting agents long within grenade range also , warrant sealed , know 'no \? hey n't confuse guys facts dude ! might break beautiful illusions ! course batf admits mean batf deny post pro koresh gun lobby person time back anyone wants understand paranoid mindset koresh offer talk politics guns minds hung power ego trips bend reality arround particular set long ago gave arguing case arms control directly instead invite people ask , would want room full occupants talk politics guns , personal attempt enter discussion \? phill hallam baker
bruce liv ac uk \( bruce stephens \) subject people become atheists \? organization centre mathematical software research , univ liverpool lines 31 11 may 93 06 38 48 gmt , fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) said article may 7 01 09 44 1993 14556 athos rutgers edu maxwell c muir , muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu writes ambiguity religious beliefs , unwillingness take pascal 's wager , 've heard frequently exactly pascal 's wager \? either god exists , b n't two choices , either 1 believe god , 2 n't believe god true , 2 brings eternal damnation , whereas 1 brings eternal life b true , 1 minor inconvenience compared 2 thus , rational believe god numerous flaws , covered faq alt atheism , amongst places sound broken \? n't know point mother 's treatment upset , see inconsistencies various religions i'm sure constitutes broken ness certainly disillusionment disillusionment strikes excellent reason stopping believing something bruce , university liverpool religion myth information
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd distribution na lines 11 article tekig7 pen tek com , tekig5 pen tek com \( alan \) writes battery goes dead primarily floor cold temperature combined self discharge promotes ruins plates battery strongly suspect reason battery n't go dead quickly dirt surface cement tends quite cooler please explain cement able maintain lower average temperature dirt sheesh
nntp posting host gode ifi uio jon jon ifi uio subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) reply strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 17 59 12 gmt organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway 1993apr21 001230 26384 lokkur dexter mi us c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com strnlghtc5wcmo fx5 netcom com lines 49 originator jon gode ifi uio article strnlghtc5wcmo fx5 netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com arussell austin ibm com \( ag russell \) writes company worked previously , received file des encryped person sent , went vaction rather wait two weeks set straight frontal attack one key time took two \( 2 \) days crack file , n't faith des taking face value \( though seems quite dissonant much else published brute force des cracking , unless russell lucky respect key \) , 'd interested whether program russell used available \? whether used cleartext recognition algorithm program whether examine decryption hand \? whether used known plaintext attack \? probably also tell us , given address , machine used desktop , workstation , super computer depending answer , could appalling development calling question des rsa des dunno rsa idea bright programmer little idle machine time crack single des message couple days \( assuming tricks message specific \) , 's clipper key , nsa give chip \) david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted person know , belonging research lab rivate company , claimed conversation , given equipment lab , could crack kerberos ticket 15 minutes hour access rather powerful des hardware , kind , believe attack possible amount known plaintext ticket , constitutes small message two years ago des longer usable encryption really sensitive data lot purposes , however , still adequate jon , norwegian computing centre , oslo , norway e mail jon nr jon ifi uio
ejv2j virginia edu \( erik velapoldi \) subject dirty diesels \? organization university virginia distribution na lines 30 nataraja rtsg mot com writes heard diesels considered cleaner burning gas engines emit less carbon monoxide , hydrocarbons , oxides nitrogen \( co , hc , nox \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions vw mercedes particulate traps also , vw uses kind turbocharger jetta helps reduce particulates well , although n't know mechanics many diesel cars , busses , trucks europe equipped catalysts traps effort clean diesel emissions , already well legal limits anyway 's shame gm soil diesel 's reputation passenger cars prevent resource devotion research making efficient engine even ahead gas engines emissions erik
pwr physics ucf edu \( patrick w ryan \) subject receiver amp originator pwr phys organization university central florida physics lines 16 sherwood stereo receiver received gift , would like sell , already system sherwood model rx brand new , still factory sealed high quality surround sound amp \( 160 watts , 250 watts dynamic headroom power \) , highly rated consumer reports \( march , 1993 \) 4 audio inputs , pre amp main amp connection jacks added flexibility includes 2 year factory warranty comes remote asking 210 reply subject receiver thanks , pwr phys physics ucf edu
root lyra scg hac com \( dave fisher \) subject screen snapshot \? reply fisher lyra hac com \( dave fisher \) organization hughes aircraft co , , ca lines 10 way save snapshot screen file , windows \? \( similar way one press cmd shift 3 mac \) please email rather posting thanks , dave fisher fisher lyra hac com
kbw helios ath epa gov \( kevin b weinrich \) subject make window 's input caps without caps lock \? organization computer sciences corp lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host helios ath epa gov application must use requires upper case input 'd like able simply move cursor window application running \( text window , xterm \) everything type entered caps cursor many windows , want automatically return normal functionality point type set way x \( specifically ow 3 0 sparcs \) \? way mess xdefaults make category window \? hints would appreciated program c x , although pick somthing 's involved thanks kindly kevin weinrich computer sciences corp kbw helios ath epa gov
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject median \? \? \? new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 48 article darkstar ucsc edu , stephen orchid ucsc edu writes article 15378 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low note contradictory title gay activity low really percentage gays low headline writers n't noted accuracy new natonal study male sexual behavior , thorough examination american men 's sexual practices published since kinsey report four decades ago , shows 2 percent men surveyed engaged homosexual sex 1 percent considered exclusively homosexual article also contains numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 's shame n't breakdown straight men vs gay bi men would show even dramatically much promiscuous gay bi men let 's take quick look saying median distribution value divides distribution halfway , e 1 2 distribution \( population \) lower half higher values males 20 39 median 7 3 , means half men higher half lower population sample size 3300 , 1 gay , 33 males gay actually , 2 either exclusively homosexual , bisexual n't carefully say distributed equally 16 5 greater 7 3 sexual partners , course , means 49 5 heterosexual men greater 7 3 interesting results clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject waco burnout organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga distribution usa lines 30 rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article visser convex convex com , visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes ca n't wait investigation considering everyone dead place burnt ground , guess honest citizens take word atf much threat people look history koresh captured mount carmel complex ago gun battle rival bd sect , leaving one person dead n't exactly peace loving bunch wonder getting mis information straight batf \? koresh followers capture compound years ago , always years ago argument lead group , erupted one person died koresh charged murder sheriff came arrest , sheriff knocked showed koresh warrant \( tactic batf might try learning \) koresh others charged surrendered trial ensued , others found innocent , jury hung koresh 's charge mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) subject would happen export restrictions violated \? nntp posting host beethoven cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department lines 15 ok , heard lot talk nsa 's infamous control encryption export itar 's question say develop great new encryption system , want sell software worldwide thought police come say algorithm threat national security permitted export point , kind trouble could get ignored itar sold program international customers anyway \? doug holland doug holland anyone tries take away freedom holland cs colostate edu speech pry pgp key available e mail cold , dead lips ! !
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject question armenians organization p center regional studies lines 55 article unix amherst edu unix amherst edu \( \) asked ee , flaming simple question simple answer ! ee far know armenians belong gregorian orthodox ee faith case nineteenth century ottoman empire ee also known armenian communities converted catholicism ee protestantism western european missionaries period vast majority armenians eastern anatolia gregorian armenian apostolic , however , higher percentage non gregorian armenians , closer mediterranean , adana , , , etc ee another known fact almost half armenians living anatolia ee speak armenian , used turkish everyday lives true forbidden armenians speak armenian certain areas armenia , armenians spoke armenian fact , turks armenians also spoke armenian ! sure , armenians , especially men , also knew turkish order function larger society ee question , given many armenian community , ee common denominator armenian people allowed armenian ee nationalism emerge nineteenth century \? stated , religion ee uniform \( unlike greeks \) many armenians could n't even speak ee armenian would like know factors brought armenians ee ottoman empire together led formation armenian ee consciousness armenians turkey persecuted armenian , regardless specific branch christianity professed resultant armenian nationalism direct reaction persecution even later stages wwi , genocide , many armenians converted islam also exterminated continued armenian moslems practice continued well 1920s ataturk parallel policy clearing pockets steadfast islamic fundamentalism many converted armenians , ironically , order stay alive , staunch moslems ee information appreciated answered question ! common thread throughout inquiry word armenian ! ee regards , david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject thoughts christians organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 20 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes robert wrote rb , 's praying young preying young comes rb later , bright eyed little altar boy finds rb priest really wears statement atheist cause way , surely 's intended wit surely intended wit way , atheist cause referring , bill \? kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad cs vt edu blacksburg , virginia \( 703 \) 232 6529
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization university pittsburgh lines 22 article mentor cc purdue edu scheiber sage cc purdue edu \( jennifer scheiber \) writes article blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) writes sounds like someone pulling leg one way pregnancy occur intercourse days however also artificial insemination implantation techniques , 're speaking natural acts possible pregnancy occur semen deposited outside vagina \( e \) , 's far get clothes way better go talk biology teacher likely hood conception sperm deposited outside vagina \? ie chance hmmm really n't know probably quite low overall n't get couple hundred willing couples together find kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject christian morality organization macalester college lines 107 article eastman uucp , dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) writes article ousrvr oulu fi , kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes dan schaertel , , , \( dps nasa kodak com \) wrote love god much loves wants seduce , 'll know would probably consider rape probably rape simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know argument type 'll know try yet many atheists sincerely tried , believed many years , eventually honest enough admit lived virtual reality obviously many christians tried believe \? nothing may work , others n't give insight overall god overall truth religion would seem dependent solely individual , well individually created since christians failed show us way life wy better , see attempt try necessary , even particularly attractive learn must accept n't know mean \? learn must accept n't know something , right learn must accept something n't know , \? way prefer learn unwise merely swallow everything read suppose write book telling great invisible pink unicorn \( tm \) helped daily problems , would accept , since ca n't know whether true \? one asks swallow everything , fact jesus warns let ask question beleive learn history class , matter anything school mean 's people told n't want swallow others say right \? well , know sure told truth , least bit evidence pointing fact , say , military conflict vietnam 25 years ago , supernatural diety wants us live certain way fact jesus warned means nothing warn big deal life , death , resurection christ documented historical fact true first two choices \( life death \) documented , last one total unless one uses bible , totally circular perhaps better use imagination , one 's ignorance someone else address i'm sure , refer plenty documentation much anything else learn choose believe \? could argue george washington myth never lived n't proof except told however major events life jesus christ hundreds years neat trick uh \? \? nothing disgusting christian attempts manipulate interpret old testament filled signs coming christ every little reference stick bit wood interpreted cross miscarriage philology way get sceptical heart say given sincere effort attitude seem must trust , go church participate 's activities ever willing die believed \? well , since skeptical hearts \( thank goodness , \) way get us difference christians glorify exactly tend despise trust belief faith without knowledge lucky one day happen thinking god time go , may associate sign god \( feel right , trust without knowing \) maybe seem anything conclusively arrived , rather seems sudden affliction believe many us willing die believed , many us question , attitude reflective correct healthy morality would seem thing could reflect fanaticism , example , case expression simple selfishness adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws understand one another \? fear beyond comprehension gandalf
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject homosexuality organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 48 bryan whitsell \( whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \) wrote recently e mail mentioned \( technically , messengers n't even human ca n't case homosexuality even rape \) jude reference sodom also meaningful context lust flesh angels , application homosexual behavior general , position gay christians specious angels flesh \? feel saying lust men , flesh \( world \) \? n't heard much verse bo anchor bible volume james , peter , jude points examples given section jude distinguishing elect , wicked general hence , delivered egypt , follow moses \( , extension , god \) apostate angels sodom gomorrah quoting fornication may , often new testament , refer idolatry , flesh \( pet 1 24 \) denotes human society violent attempts self sodom represent leaders apostasy , surrounding cities correspond followers p 199 inherent reason read verse \( 7 \) literally referring actual sexual lust alien flesh inherently necessary understand referring homosexuality , outside circular reasoning already concluded sin sodom sin homosexuality place sin sodom specified , merely inferred , ezekiel 16 49 guilt sister sodom daughters pride , excess food , ease , bit aid poor needy , abominable things therefore removed saw reason \( text \) correspondent 's suggestion reason passage n't deal homosexuality guests angels men silly much solid reasons pointing sodom passages dealing homosexuality per se revdak netcom com
alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject thoughts lines 47 rh house helios usq edu au \( ron house \) rh newsgroups alt atheism rh organization university southern queensland rh bissda saturn wwc edu \( dan lawrence bissell \) writes first want start right say i'm christian rh know n't get involved , \) rh bit deleted book says jesus either liar , crazy \( modern day koresh \) actually said rest rant deleted standard argument fundies spot \? statement arguing assumption jesus actually existed far , able offer real proof existance try using \( \) flawed writings josh mcdowell others prove , writers use flawed sources \( real sources , \) ever learn real research , instead believing drivel sold christian bookstores rh , dan , try one rh book says muhammad either liar , rh crazy \( modern day mad mahdi \) actually rh said reasons would n't liar rh follows would die lie \? would n't people able rh tell liar \? people gathered around rh kept , many gathered hearing seeing rh son law made sun stand still call fool , rh believe make sun stand still rh niether lunatic would entire nation rh drawn someone crazy doubtful , fact rh rediculous example anyone drawn mad rh mahdi obviously fool , logical people see right rh away rh therefore since n't liar lunatic , must rh real thing nice ! alan
chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? article srvr1 distribution world organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 31 nntp posting host engin umich edu article mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes article srvr1 engin umich edu chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) writes article utkvx utk edu ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) writes cnn factiod last months stated 40 computers u left 24 hours day , 7 days week n't recall cnn 's source yeah , probably included industries educational institutions uses mostly work stations \( suns , dec , ibm etc etc \) turns monitor left untouched 5 min none suns , , 've used turned monitor automatically maybe contact schools officials make consider installing necessary softwares allows unix works stations shuts monitor left untouched save lot energy chung yang matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
thomas kephart kephart snowhite eeap cwru edu subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization case school engineering lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host b62182 student cwru edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxmessage id b62182 student cwru edu x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 02 10 26 gmt article usenet ucs indiana edu chang hsu liu , silver ucs indiana edu writes james p reynolds jpr1 ns1 cc lehigh edu organization lehigh university subject 're using , turn ! multiple recipients list c18 l c18 l psuvm bitnet research shown majority time united states' 30 35 million personal computers , quote deleted every often let 's get word everyone need responsible way consume jim reynolds university michigan ok , question \? people copy article , new thing add post name \? i'm picking person , 've seen mistake \? missing something \? unknown net missed somewhere \? skip quoted material , since 've already read , look non quoted material , get name addition supposed agree , second \? sorry wondering missed something somewhere along line
wagner grace math uh edu \( david wagner \) subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization uh dept math lines 67 larry larry l overacker shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com writes , dave davis , wrote deutero canonical books added much later church 's history spiritual quality rest scripture believe church added books guided spirit sort discussion ultimately ends sorry , put foot mouth , concerning church 's history correct say council hippo 393 listed books among accepted use church , ratified council carthage , pope \( 414 ad \) yet 's history church says end fourth century views still differed regard extent canon , number books acknowledged divine authoritative jewish canon , hebrew bible , universally received , apocrypha added greek version septuagint general way accounted books suitable church reading , thus middle class canonical strictly apocryphal \( pseudonymous \) writings justly books , great historical value , fill gap old testament new , originated cessation prophecy , cannot therefore regarded inspired , ever cited christ western church canon closed end fourth century authority jerome \( , however , critical doubts principle tradition \) , especially augustine , firmly followed alexandrian canon septuagint , tradition reference catholic epistles revelation though , places , consider old testament apocrypha deutero canonical , bearing subordinate authority history goes say augustine attended council hippo carthage interesting note , however , following footnote fourth session council trent footnote lists various endorsed lists canonical books , says list decree first infallible declaration canon holy scriptures leads one think rc canon official trent thus previous erroneous statement entirely groundless also interesting note council trent went uphold old latin vulgate edition scriptures authentic , would suppose , today 's catholic scholars wish council never said also council made distinction deutero canonical canonical books contrast \( 's statement \) fourth century views david wagner confessional lutheran
brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips organization clarinet communications corp lines 60 article c614bj bk6 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning jhart agora rain com 're reading far much \( aside obvious fact n't hold anybody wrote 10 year old book rapidly changing field like \) quite simply says security depend secrecy algorithm secret algorithm still secure , , n't know level trust affected , security system algorithm could rsa know , believe secure much better reason classify algorithm protect security want protect market share publish algorithm , shortly manufacturers would make chips implement algorithm standard use key stored escrow course , everybody would buy whole push chip establishing standard use follow rules , get us follow rules without new laws would fight tooth nail quite simply , clipper established , would much harder another encryption maker define new standard , make phones ca n't talk leading phone companies result tappable cryptography without laws forbidding kinds , 99 populace get crypto , would build special phone runs top system , everybody talk would one 's chicken egg crypto government using special ability solve chicken egg problems new technologies control one way like 's almost clever eff started , posed question police going wake discover ca n't wiretap \? nobody answer \( even thought much question \) came backdoor digital telephony bills , fought real answer , brad templeton , clarinet communications corp sunnyvale , ca 408 296 0366
hollasch kpc com \( steve hollasch \) subject kubota kenai denali specs summary clarifications organization kubota pacific computer , inc lines 35 lioness maple circa ufl edu okay , got enough replies kubota kenai denali systems post summary capabilities graphics transform modules 1 6 1 6 frame buffer modules 5 , 10 , 20 5 , 10 , 20 frame buffer 1280x1024x24bit 1280x1024x24bit double buffered double buffered z buffer 24 bit 24 bit alpha 8 bit 8 bit pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) mean either alpha , simultaneously \? lioness maple circa ufl edu stereo support yes yes machines double buffer stereo output per window auxiliary video output rs 170a , ntsc , pal pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) question , mean either double buffering stereo , simultaneously \? questions , 's inclusive alpha plus supported \( 're separate \) , double buffered stereo steve hollasch kubota pacific computer , inc hollasch kpc com santa clara , california right math hard
dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) subject winfield 's spot time greats team organization department industrial engineering lines 50 article kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes winfield ca n't touch frank robinson mel ott , far tell 'd also hard time convincing rate better equal clemente two sets numbers career equivalent average equivalent runs 1 ruth 377 , 2 aaron 318 , 3 ott 318 , 2197 4 robinson 313 , 7 clemente 289 , 8 winfield 288 , 1921 ruth class rate \( eqa \) total \( \) performance , aaron runs everybody total category ott robinson , lead winfield categories , could safely put ahead ahead reggie , although barely ahead numbers normalized league park clemente held really anemic offensive production earliest years , still productive died reasonably safe assume 150 200 runs could gotten still , jackson , , clemente , winfield form pretty tight knot yes , \( \) talking peak level , career averages \( b \) clemente best fielding rf time , far anyone tell quick scan last night , looking players peak comparable better winfield quick n dirty subjective judgement , could make good cases ruth , aaron , ott , robinson , clemente , kaline , , klein , jackson , , probably others knock winfield , comment consistency players awesome stretches good stretches , winfield uniformly excellent hall fame \? absolutely top 10 peak \? i'm sure top 10 total career value \? yes , almost certainly david tate free agent says one 's mine \( dtate pitt edu \) even try seduce prof story probs says player says owner big catullus write wind , swift running water
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject free moral agency organization distribution na lines 52 article lm5 darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes dean kaflowitz \( decay cbnewsj cb att com \) wrote , interested original notion discussing moral free agency , god punish person believing person following nature possible person deny reason tells , god \? dean , think 're letting atheist mythology great start realize immediately interested discussion going thump babble would much prefer answer ms healy , seems reasonable reasoned approach things say , n't creationist guy made lot silly statements evolution time ago \? confuse issue divine justice according fundamental doctrines christianity , first man sinned , time entire human race punishment would necessarily affect entire race sole humans coming would , race \( species \) , share judgement nothing deserves perspective god , humanity one category created things category condemned duh , gee , must talking christian mythology hoping discuss something reasonable , logical person , seem side repetition boring mythology 've seen thousand times deleting rest remarks , unless spot something approaches answer , merely repetition doctrine contain thought congratulate , though , bill would n't know logical argument bit balls persistent lack function face repeated attempts assist learning \( seen forum others past \) speaks talent goes well beyond , meager abilities n't seem capacity ignoring outside influences dean kaflowitz
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject tempest organization partnership america free drug distribution na lines 11 whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes hell , set spark jammer , electrically noisy device 've noted , likely get around directional sensor phased array systems could completely defeat scheme perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
tm0006 lerc nasa gov \( greg l \) subject vhs movie sale organization nasa lewis research center cleveland , ohio lines 38 distribution world nntp posting host tm0006 lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr21 cabell vcu edu , cabell vcu edu \( robert r \) writes n't mcdonald 's sell copies dances wovies 7 long ago \? also selling babes toyland \( scott version ! \) something even think video drive thru 'll take , , copy debbie go want fries \? makes perfect sense think cheap food cheap movies cheapest format feel full , nutritional quality ai n't \) feast little buy beta ! bob \( vcu edu \) post , i'm really going start studying really greg ed beta simply best ! ed beta simply best consumer videotape format available video magazine , nov 1992 , page 30 manufacturers may point perceive u consumer electronics market unsophisticated , march 1993 ,
rudy netcom com \( rudy wade \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization home brave lines 113 article 1993apr23 6509 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes article 230 netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes quoted future reference shown consistent past overall performance , l r splits , even matching hitting pitching styles give advantage used properly predicting future , next ab predicting sabo likely get hit samuel believed one two things 1 \) sabo likely samuel get hit 2 \) good would done long run leaving sabo regardless expectation actual outcome fact n't know perez mind left sabo supporting swap , predicting opposite fact , n't think anyone claiming predict future , particular future event believe certain trends due cause \( whether identified cause \) therefore continue dismissing work i'm stating opinion saying work renders opinion contrary invalid , retention opinion kind insult work well , yes aware existance claim incapable understanding \( though suspect simply unwilling \) yet rather forcefully state opposite n't seem think work worth reading \( yet obviously feel topic important \) 'd say insulting think seeing insults people 's opinions kind silly , mark n't call total idiot , call work stupid , simply stated n't change opinion subject say consistent skill said indicator performance certain set circumstances right ! beef proven indicator future performance circumstances least none 've able come know indicator future performance , please let us secret player hits better tuesdays always , mark believes might indication hit tuesday better next season well , would respond way \? point might admit variable might known \( knows guy every monday night \? maybe sees sports shrink tuesday mornings , vitamin b shots monday nights \? \) something 's true one guy n't mean meaningful correlation entire league days week , n't mean ca n't make predictions based particular player believe season 's end chris sabo 's batting average clutch situations significantly lower batting average non clutch situations ca n't prove happen , guess 'll wait see simply prediction chris sabo year \? prediction batters , past years , hit \( xxx amount \? \) worse clutch overall \? see prediction one player n't see anything batters 's another one 1989 1991 joe carter 's batting average clutch situations significantly batting average non clutch situations year presume think random i'm going get case analysis sure , find somebody hit poorly '89 '91 hit poorly '92 well also find hit poorly '89 '91 hit well '92 's exactly mark trying though find hitters correlation ask whether make predictions hitters based past performance major league ballplayers makes think 1993 joe carter 's batting average clutch going high ba non clutch situations 's fallacy unless reason expect consistency , huh \? 's fallacy anything \? whether know reason correlation , ca n't deny existent , make argument n't think likely continue exist ca n't see reason exist run proves nothing give us reason expect clutch ba correlate one year next \? 've seen detailed study someone posted recently negative clutch would correlate argument along lines star player l r splits always see adverse condition late innings close game \( e opposing manager always bring ah pitcher face , manager pull ph \) n't see deny \) total idiot \? yes prove unwilling even consider evidence might suggest wrong , would say term fits nicely tell \? term fit \? open mind \? \? shoe fits , wear open mind \? rudy
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject happy birthday israel ! organization university illinois urbana lines 17 hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) writes means number people killed israel high keep track , also part zionism ideology n't need keep track people kill \? kill ! know number high , would care provide \? tell truth , hamid , killed israeli army invading attacking israel intention murdering jews destroying jewish state thus , sympathy really n't give damn many killed hamid ed
klaus go jp \( klaus hofmann \( \) \) subject cats pregnancy nntp posting host 150 29 28 9 organization national institute materials chem res , , lines 13 hello , heard certain disease \( \? \) transmitted cats harm unborn fetus anybody know \? problem cat apartment \? thanks klaus hofmann national institute materials chemical research 1 1 , , 305 , japan
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sgi lines 54 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article lefty lefty apple com , lefty apple com \( lefty \) writes particular tibetans advocating increased violence chinese occupiers wrong \? wrong \? think correct thinking well placed bomb six would get headlines , think wrong think set bombs still buddhist maybe seeing chinese cultural genocide tibetans worked well enough tibetans longer buddhist instead willing behave like chinese occupiers every action reward clearly occupation tibet largely ignored hand , people aware occupation mostly full admiration peaceful way tibetans put cost us admire \? zip tibetans currently people peace \? serve well badly \? yes , whether serves well depends whether want buddhist principles political independence without political independence preserve cultural religious traditions \? would increased level violence make terrorists \? chinese would certainly refer terrorists , hitler regime used refer european resistance movements terrorists assuming group advocating course correct , greater attention focussed occupation tibet chinese , tibetans better people peace terrorists \? better way \? proponents pacifism proponents political autonomy \? better time scale \? soviet empire practised cultural genocide something like hundred small minorities , resisted violently , , end soviet empire collapsed least minorities survived minorities fighting one another , violent resistance oppressive empire violence \? jon
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject 1993 nhl draft organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 55 nntp posting host apple com cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes picks ottawa picks 1 means almost 100 alexander daigle go 1 'll either stay traded montreal quebec dunno hat friends genie saying ottawa 's gone soft daigle thinking hard pronger daigle shown attitude latter part season many folks liked , coming back \( second \) multi game suspension stupid , 's really performance stock dropping like rock also remember lot teh draft 1st stuff comes assumption 'll traded quebec lots prospects 's clear quebec would really willing pay lot given current status 's still first round , n't consider first pick lock means point 's also possible senators posturing try bring signing price , since daigle taking lindros lessons imo would take kariya alot leadership ncaa far world championships daigle n't show junior team san jose get kariya kariya wo n't go first three , simple reason 's leaving college , n't believe expansion teams going use first someone wo n't around another year two , equally good \( almost good \) stuff available make immediate impact san jose seems leaning heavily towards niedermayer reason kariya could go 6th 7th , unless team convince leave school early \( doubt \) cut things stand today draft order 1 \) ottawa \( 60 daigle , , 40 pronger \) 2 \) san jose 80 niedermayer , unless ottawa skips daigle 's open \( depends sharks get deal n't believe draft keep \) 3 \) tampa bay \( whoever ottawa n't take , maybe \) chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) subject people become atheists \? organization university arizona , tucson lines 88 article may 11 02 38 47 1993 athos rutgers edu fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) writes article may 7 01 09 44 1993 14556 athos rutgers edu maxwell c muir , muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu writes faith \( want know , feel faith intellectually dishonest \) 'd appreciate support statement i'm sure really makes sense define faith belief , \( sp \? \) evidence also include evidence past experiences past experience god actually effect life never seen evidence god beyond explained without god convincing many fictional works read \( reasons \) , believe god \( \) seen , people reconcile lack evidence using faith faith sense \( way currently understand word faith \) find intellectually dishonest ambiguity religious beliefs , unwillingness take pascal 's wager , 've heard frequently exactly pascal 's wager \? pascal 's wager goes something like premise 1 either n't god premise 2 god exists , wants us believe damn us believing premise 3 god exist , belief god n't matter death death , anyway conclusion belief god superior non belief non belief us eternal punishment wrong , belief god wastes little time life wrong sound pretty straightforward logically sound problem , premise 1 presupposes 1 1 odds belief non belief flat wrong , sheer number religions fact , part , religions mutually exclusive heard theists referred 99 atheists believe god \( gods \) one god \( set gods \) consequence pick wrong god \? suddenly , odds n't look good picking wrong god wrong doctrines god still leaves possibility wrong damned another god 's version hell sound broken \? n't know point mother 's treatment upset , see inconsistencies various religions i'm sure constitutes broken ness certainly disillusionment n't see disillusionment enters see , presented mother 's treatment show cause questioning atheism , questioning continues day already atheist five years contact mother 's version christianity anything , become somewhat disillusioned atheism \( uh , oh , thought , god \? \) yes , way , also become disillusioned many religions , simply thought one time answers , found right one i'm still looking , time look different place , become little stronger attitude \( belief , , faith , though , 's based evidence past experience \) 'll never find religion answers sorta like looking easter eggs time takes find next one , convinced become may already found eggs 're going find someone else mentioned critisism n't going make think highly christians contrary position constructive critisism likely improve attitude towards christians abusive critisism turn accusations , mr sapienza merely slipped post forgot reply one sapienza department technology services university michigan hospitals surgery fil sapienza med umich edu garlic toast forever max \( bob \) muir ps i'm leaving home thursday 1 30 , likely last post summer ! meantime , thank helping see things might missed world !
astrachan austlcm sps mot com \( paul astrachan \) subject feature connector vga cards nntp posting host 222 48 248 12 reply astrachan austlcm sps mot com \( paul astrachan \) organization motorola mos telecom lines 9 would someone please post email feature connector pin assignments \? sometimes referred aux video connector documentation thanks astrachan austlcm sps mot com paul astrachan motorola telecom astrachan austlcm sps mot com
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wang cs indiana edu subject need help find address several companies graphics organization computer science , indiana university lines 9 1 \) lucas film 2 \) pixar 3 \) 3d eye inc 4 \) light magic thanks , cs indiana edu
cs uiuc edu \( \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) reply prabhak giga cs umn edu 's message thu , 13 may 1993 15 55 41 gmt organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il 73k venus haverford edu news2 cis umn edu lines 51 article news2 cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes guess acceptable germany also chose path aggression simultaneously put interests countries peril wonder whether us countries would risked jews persecuted hitler imperialist ambitions \( student history asking questions \) n't think would u one countries turned away jewish refugees still time get \( considered rejected cabinet level \) conditions us interfere countries , abstraction one must clarify resorting accusations religious bigotry understand , international law provides right country intervene prevent genocide think world court ruled genocide committed human rights czar appointed u n , could international monitors recording events responses local officials develop objective basis could backed international court justice enforcement rapid deployment force u n secretary general 's command would like see u n directly impose rulings whenever feasible \( without possibility vetos un security council much president ca n't veto u supreme court ruling \) u supporting effort appoint hr czar third world opposition led three countries , china , iran pakistan \( company pakistan keeping ! \) u also opposition u n force initially charter \( although control security council \) un sc quite flawed body rogue governments like prc even threatened veto last months block move place u n troops bosnia chapter 7 instead 11 \( numbers straight \) could moved monitoring enforcement force without requiring sc action \( prc even continues threaten using veto u n action despite ruling current set requires sc enforce rulings \) peace ,
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject freedom u organization department redundancy department lines 36 steve birnbaum writes actually law david irving hopefully found guilty due denial holocaust 's bad useless centre policy research n't canada 'd set nice precedent law applies cyberspace article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) responds well canada wrong talk generalizations indeed , sound quite immature us aclu would made sure repressive laws found unconstitutional \? aclu fighting anti hate law \? mean aclu would support gay bashing , racial discrimination anti semitic violence \? thanks , andi , reminding us constitution preserves rights fun activities think church n't find galileo 's perception universe offensive probably , galileo happened right jews offended holocaust , revisionists , deny history even happened , happen wrong jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) subject ford probe opinions \? \( centered around gt \) organization eskimo north \( 206 \) 367 3837 seattle , wa lines 132 article heiser acs2 bu edu \( bill heiser \) writes article chuck eos ncsu edu \( chuck kesler \) writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says anyone offer opinions ford probe ala long run , repair records , reliability , mileage , etc \? 've found mine \( '93 probe gt \) quite well window problem deleted , trimmed probe looked twice local dealer \( purchased car \) first time , made problem worse second time , advising service bulletin mentioned ford probe mailing list \( said n't know bulletin \) , adjusted window made much better however makes noise rough roads , still open close window wet weather \( anyone elses 's \? \) 've air leakage problems reported get bill describes live seattle wet weather may factor ford gives 1 key car c'mon ford , spend extra pennies ! recall correctly got two keys horn buttons behind air bag spokes center \( personal preference \) 've got position fingers perfectly make beep buttons terrible true i'm wondering may safety concern ie , people pound place airbag lives speaking horn , surprised find probe comes one nice sounding horns instead japanese sounding kind previous probes japanese horns opinion transmission \( 5 speed must \) always 5 speed guy almost every car 've ever owned 5 speed got good deal car 2500 miles , \( knowingly \) overlooked fact automatic pretty high tech automatic fully controlled 4 speed 5 speed much fun opted automatic number reasons 's still fun , ways practical shake rattle noises going bumps potholes \( still ! \) ditto shakes rattles main gripe 've gotten fix worst , fear rather harsh ride , car virtual rattles gets older would suspect may true tires 225 goodyear eagles \( 70 left hoping 30k \) well sticks road like glue , even rough surface yes ! interior , nice pleasing eye , ergonomically sound definitely ford mazda nice job one car much expensive actually look feel ditto yes , car 's stiff suspension n't everyone personally like , find little harsh otherwise like car , 'd strongly suggest looking mx 6 agree check n't mind would say much stiffer might problem \( '93 r1 rx 7 suspension \? ! \) well would n't encourage passenger carrying probe unless person front seat likes sit knees dash mentioned consumer reports write ups , consider back seat parcel shelf though \( , 'd bought car ! \( 's definitely family car \) \) true 've heard exhaust system trouble , mine works fine n't heard one know early probes \( '89 maybe '90 \) problems prematurely mufflers \( 've problem read \( least assume one one read \) case happened weld muffler pipe feeding \( ok , i'm mechanic \) broke case dealer welded , ordered replacement parts put got suspect sort 1 \) design flaw , 2 \) production flaw case earlier model would expect worked newer ones case warrantee repair \( get keys back ! \) 've heard , sounds like ford mazda qc problems probe \( probably mx 6 \) first went production , think problems mostly corrected point 's almost always expected completely new car like , though agree seem qc seriously feel car design sound , expect well second seems things slipped car seems sound perfection \( \) get awful lot money bill heiser heiser acs bu edu , heiser world std com boston university , boston btw , bill probe mailing list might want subscribe interested detail try request ford probe world std com \( get right \? never remember request goes front back \) , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , , ` , , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , eskimo com , ` , ` , ` , , ` , right today , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` , ` ,
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject touring southwest nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 32 article fatcity cts com kim fatcity cts com \( kim sharpe \) writes us touring utah mid june see canyons helpful hints stay things see avoid plans see bryce , zion , arches grand close point additional trip required \? well , 's closer bryce bryce arches 'd spend lot time studying maps , 's lot ca n't get area might want hit grand canyon way california , loop around moab arches , back towards bryce zion way home make sure ride us 12 capitol reef bryce , 's number top 10 roads lists nice booklet detailing lot interesting paved \( \) \( \) roads ordered utah travel council think also get state map asking utah 4 00 \( us \) utah travel council council hall capitol hill salt lake city , ut \( 801 \) 583 1030 blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
sterling com \( steve hitch \) subject digital voice processor sale organization sterling software distribution usa lines 29 x md4 signature hi 1 sale 300 00 shipping 've pleasure midi controlled \( keyboard 's \) digital voice processor voice \? pitch shift \( change notes sing \) add singing \( 5 parts one time \) change voice synthesizer 's voice leave say alone works well computerized sounding singer , robot voice thought , yes voices cop , old lead ins , yes i'm little red faced say tried specifically input , takes \( 3 prong mic \) 1 4 cables output , combination original input , choice mix original signal effect \( effect desired \) preset setups , edit save preferences couple light scratches , look bad , works flawlessly even n't use music , 's good hours fun studio manual included never got around getting rack ears , gotten studio use , 's beaten steve hitch oo oo oo opinions nobody would want oooo oo oo take responsibility anyway eventually hang , i'm happy oo oo ooo ooo internet sterling com ooo ooo uucp uunet ! sparky !
schoinas fox cs wisc edu \( yannis schoinas \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization u wisconsin madison computer sciences lines 44 ahmed shakil cs yale edu \( shakil waiz ahmed \) writes article 1sueslinna6g minerva cis yale edu , jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims yeah ! 's ! \) 've really outdone time nick n't forget davidian muslims \) islam race 's religion white , black , fijian alaskan guess n't absorb much malcolm x interest circulating see , whole point islam stresses equality amongst peoples , realize difficult comprehend given staunch beliefs serbian ethnic cleansing , give try , 's really difficult stomach right \? unable digest lunch \? cool context bosnia muslims nation nobody talked race civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements terms secession \? , course , joking , right nick \? nobody chose fight bosnia croatia internationally recognized nations serbs attacked started well documented genocide makes outside aggressor 's simple genocide , classical example ethnic cleansing question civil war yugoslavia recognized nation apply principle self determination yugoslavia apply croatia bosnia course , might want apply bye , yannis
hwstock snll llnl gov \( stockman w \) subject screen capture keywords capture organization sandia national laboratories lines 4 dos screen capture utility pd shareware work reliably vesa 6a 800x600 screens \? thanks , h w stockman , hwstock sandia llnl gov
ccdb musica mcgill ca \( ccdb \) subject habs late organization mcgill university lines 11 nntp posting host vm1 mcgill ca quebec dominated habs first 2 periods roy kept one , although blow 2nd goal canadians showed third nords playing dump pull back time hextall made good saves really one lost first period nords scored 3 could 5 , plus another 4 2nd canadians dead meat , may take one 2 one tee jacques , next time might rest players forget 1st place , welcome adams division dennis
nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host c ch apollo hp com organization hewlett packard corporation , chelmsford , lines 35 article ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? starters , could gone waiting negotiating davidians n't going anywhere , supplies limited large , perhaps , limited simply fired compound without gov't tanks smashing walls , least gov't would guilty used inappropriate level force , would able use meantime continue pressure negotiate , would looked good news six months year sure hell n't look good true today 's boston globe interviewed former church leader consultant cults said fbi 's approach totally wrong said tried break bd 's loyalty koresh psychological means koresh 's whole theology based approaching confrontation forces evil world seige mentality based feds played hands perfectly surrounding compound tanks playing loud rock music glaring lights strongly reinforced koresh 's message outside world evil threatening said instead set picnic atmosphere , acted inviting friendly broadcast anything pa systems loving relatives reflecting pleasant events cult idea make outside world surrender seem like pleasant , desirable alternative interesting comments peter
jbell eecom gatech edu \( jb \) subject word perfect 2 1 100 offer organization computer engineering group , georgia tech , atlanta , ga 30332 0250 distribution usa lines 14 word perfect v2 1 mac brand new copy word perfect 2 1 latest release , 100 used still shrink wrap student version upgradable newer version sells 250 would like get 100 please e mail jbell eecom gatech edu john bell georgia institute technology school electrical engineering atlanta , ga 30332 0250 e mail jbell eecom gatech edu
penelope sdsc edu \( jeff \) subject political banner space organization san diego supercomputer center ucsd lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host penelope sdsc edu propose , mcdonalds companies could put orbit banners timely political messages , , stop slaughter bosnia ! , etc
meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) subject hr 1276 \( gun law live ! \) distribution usa organization n lines 43 article 1993apr15 dg rtp dg com , meyers leonardo rtp dg com \( bill meyers \) ! writes bill establish right obtain firearms security , use firearms defense self , family , home , provide enforcement right response article drg eagle natinst com chrisb natinst com \( chris bartz \) writes , right unless federal government says n't n't think like much article transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes maybe i'm religious , see bill establish right , keep mind , law giveth , law taketh away article gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu \( aaron ray clement \) writes right mentioned bill already established second amendment bill reaffirm second amendment hey , guys 're absolutely correct , well way winning battle losing war yes , serious philosophical flaws hr 1276 technical ones , 'd like sue feds , lose , pay reasonable attorney 's fee \? \) still , one basic question compared 've got hr 1276 \( \) better , \( b \) worse \? one n't even take three guesses 's good enough show support hr 1276 , maybe change could ones saying 's reasonable first step 2nd amendment sovereignty , duck hunting
lynx umn edu \( bill \) subject yamaha locks \( cobra lock \) nntp posting host lynx umn edu organization university minnesota lines 11 lock including easy break person proper supplies motivation 3 minutes bike gone ! would glad explain dont want contribute unlawful activities especially since bike would hate see ripped tactic warning lock alone safe theft , thief doesnt need lock walk away property ! personally think motion alarms combination lock type way go fact concerned bill
cs ulowell edu \( \) subject looking info quadratic spline bezier conversion organization umass lowell computer science lines 15 hi looking algorithm pointers papers convert quadratic splines cubic splines source available public domain , please let know thanks much ks e mail cs ulowell edu phone 508 934 \( w \) snail mail department computer science , umass lowell , lowell , 01854
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 56 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article 1993may12 das harvard edu adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes point converting another religion loose cultural identity , loose religious identification disagree converting another religion , certainly change cultural identity , lose part jewish would change one many parts define cultural identity loose leg , might change personality , stop human even , someone gets baboon heart , person still human part nation defined culture religion actually , atheist , fact like converting non jewish terms religion , still considered part jewish nation , serious cultural difference renouncing jewish god accepting new one thou shall gods conversion violation , atheism might able wiggle around really agnostics atheists atheist , believe god , believe ever one , commandments meaning also , lot ideas meaning idea chosen people , idea given right land israel , idea keeping kosher , idea opposing intermarriage , idea torah inspired god , etc atheist , cannot support idea jewish nation defined religious principle based religious identity , religion another piece constitutes cultural identity jewish people believe people cultural identity constitute nation right people world state right armenians , palestinians , french , anybody else cannot say accepting different god someone lost cultural identification adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu aap
bob hobbes dtcc edu \( bob rahe \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization delaware technical community college lines 40 nntp posting host hobbes dtcc edu article charnel ecst csuchico edu nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) writes article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu \( bill green \) writes 2 \) could wait resulted different outcome doubt question atf 's initial raid , believe remainder standoff handled fairly well single exception psychological warfare blaring music , etc think uncalled probably hindered outcome suppose waited worst outcome would one actually fbi atf standing watching instead part problem would clear exactly fault , rather way turned , would worst case best would , finally get hungry come possible likely \? well , alternative worse one point , i'm fan janet reno , like way balls go ahead take full responsibility seems like waffle boy problems figuring stood issue actually rather refreshing nowadays time , higher ups claim n't remember involvement \) matter \? say n't remember n't make difference \? pretty good lying n't necessary , n't time n't necessary claiming full responsibility meaningless gesture symbolism substance ! 've offered take full responsibility pay big bucks ag making \? \? \? \? \) bob rahe , delaware tech comm college aids , drugs , abortion internet bob hobbes dtcc edu n't liberals kill \? ci , 525 genie bob rahe save whales kill babies \?
pbenson ecst csuchico edu \( paul benson \) subject giant software organization california state university , chico lines 140 distribution usa nntp posting host cscihp ecst csuchico edu software retail sale price graphics corel draw 2 0 300 25 aldus photo 1 1 800 100 image color \( 2 \) 800 100 photo finish \( 3 \) 295 75 image scan paint 150 20 image full pack 300 45 picture publisher 800 100 image prep 200 50 snap pro 70 20 images inc 200 50 paintbrush 495 50 deluxe paint 2 129 25 \( font workshop \) 300 25 vista pro 100 20 workshop 149 35 gfa cad 100 25 utilities x tree gold win 99 25 tnt \( anti virus \) 100 15 salvation 100 15 amish utilities 79 15 multimedia smart text 200 10 music clips 149 25 audio tracks 79 15 plus \( mac \) 495 35 plus \( pc \) 495 35 ask 2000 500 35 multi media make point 79 20 madison ave 75 25 interface \( mac \) 300 10 mr sound effects 50 10 music bytes 50 10 show 495 50 plus 400 50 programming windows 3 1 dev kit \( full \) 500 75 windows maker pro 995 50 ms c 5 1 500 10 top speed modula 300 10 business art negotiating 150 10 150 10 full impact \( mac \) 500 10 approach database 400 50 ascend 300 35 games nfl pro league football 49 15 eco 40 10 hardware modem 2400 baud 200 50 assorted joysticks 35 9 vga tv 300 50 amiga trac ball 75 20 misc wedding planner 49 10 software yard sale fri 4 30 , sat 5 1 , sun 5 2 8 30 4 00 e mail pbenson cscihp ecst csuchico edu location 436 rd , paradise ca phone 916 872 terms cash , check , charge \( visa mc accepted \)
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization hand held products , inc lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article eagle natinst com chrisb natinst com \( chris bartz \) writes article bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes napalm , let wood stove inside ignite heating purposes weather texas everyone claims cooking stop think whole thread rediculous cares stove going matter stove burning , lanterns burning , candles burning , someone smoking , etc , etc , etc premise fbi filling house napalm would catch fire crazy fbi pumping napalm davidians home pretty damn strong evidence convince believe mass suicide murder koresh believe accident davidians believe accident fbi easily believe mass stupidity sides believe fbi lit fire intentionally way tend agree , would like better explanation fbi stopped gate saw realtime concerns fbi appeared interested stopping fire started , actually started flying around compound , add small part winds driving fire chris bartz \( chrisb natinst com \) jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
elg silver lcs mit edu \( elizabeth glaser \) subject net address organization mit laboratory computer science lines 18 looking email address world health organization , particular address department nursing chief scientist nursing dr miriam snail mail address following world health organization 20 avenue 1211 geneva 27 switzerland please respond directly thank assistance elg elizabeth glaser , rn elg silver lcs mit edu
dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) subject texas hb 1776 voting today organization texas university , college station lines 18 distribution usa nntp posting host tamuts tamu edu article tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu \( daryl biberdorf \) writes called legislative bill tracking service found hb 1776 \( concealed carry \) scheduled floor vote today ! let phone calls roll well , n't normally like quote , got additional information called state rep \( express support \) , person informed 's actually second reading bill \( three required \) consideration i'm 100 sure means , i'm also sure 's discrepancy two offices telling still researching daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject need clipper cheap security \? organization best minds generation , destroyed madness reply pdc dcs ed ac uk 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 20 41 57 gmt dcs ed ac uk nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 25 article dcs ed ac uk pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) writes fast fastest modems go \? v fast targeted 14 500 , 19 2 may soon \( remember ignore compression figures make modem go faster data , voice gets compressed better , encryption makes compression impossible \) far voice compressed \? stu iii phones market , motorola , \( forget else \) , give choice 9600 , 4800 , 2400 baud 9600 4800 celp , think 2400 earlier military vocoder stuff 9600 decent , 2400 pretty artificial , anything less speak spell produce quite adequate sound 's also 8 kbps celp around dsps made possible real time cheap old hand government crypto trouble adjusting systems faster 9600 baud , voice end sounds good , assume crypto n't turned yet \) pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
bh437292 longs lance colostate edu \( basil hamdan \) subject rejoinder questions israelis reply bh437292 lance colostate edu nntp posting host keller lance colostate edu organization engineering college , colorado state university lines 40 article 389 jcpltyo jcpl co jp , ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) writes article 1993apr26 freenet carleton ca aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) writes 1982 attack response sb years constant shelling terrorist organizations golan sb heights children murdered time terrorists israel sb finally nowhere see war israel started sb borders could expanded agree write except terrorist orgs shelling israel golan heights 1982 , rather lebanon tsiel , would contend shelling sides border , starting early 70 's certainly plo shell northern israel region , israel much shelling destroying several south lebanese villages least say sides exchanged shelling , occasional aerial raids israel lebanese villages case steve 's characterization 1982 invasion response years shelling lebanon false israel many reasons invading mainly install government lebanon favorable israel , nearly achieved aim election el gemayel , brother , amin el gemayel , internal situation lebanon hard control predict israel withdraw , amin el gemayel 17 th may agreement tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp receive e mail , please let employer may know soon possible , possible opinions , ! two percent zero almost nothing basil
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject tapped , code good organization dsi uscrpac distribution na lines 26 article rubin dsg4 dse beckman com rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) writes would n't think asking people trust secret algorithm seems unsound maybe , 's quite common millions macintosh users idea 's apple 's patented roms many modems connected know business secrets n't stolen \? answer 1 trust apple 2 attempt , however sophicsticated , came , would destroy apple 's credibility forever clipper case , representative body experts going allowed audit , 'll assurances \( maybe even president \) escrowed keys back doors may confidence \( among \) , 's lot assurance get many things routinely trust everyday life david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
jarthur claremont edu \( william everett \) subject top ten comments overheard secret service lounge organization harvey mudd college , claremont , ca 91711 lines 43 article access digex net access digex com \( carl aron \) writes word liberal definitely different connotation written ask michael yeah , republicans defined mean spends money things n't make rich buddies richer something reasoned intelligent say post rant rave save maybe mean liberals believe tax spend rather borrow spend true cutting spending taxes 's matter debate succesful last presidents finally , means open minded things want open minded hear , 've noticed far often liberals anyone else n't agree close minded look 's talking suggest take look post see nothing unfair unsubstantiated generalizations suggests author anything open minded next time feel like posting something like save somebody cares carl william everett opinions mine mudd college ca n't insane fear socialism throws headlong arms despotism , insane fear throws liberals headlong arms socialism , 1993
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject question virgin mary organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 39 andrew byler \( db7n andrew cmu edu \) wrote however greatly mary , quite obvious way god even part god equal god assumption blessed mother , meant close identification redemptive work christ , assumed \( note ascend \) body soul heaven , thus one , along elijah , enoch , moses \( maybe \? \? \? \? \) already perfected heaven obviously , virgin mary far superior glorification previously mentioned personages said , provocative thought answer job logical consistency papal declaration cannot surpassed leaves protestantism nothing man 's religion allows metaphysical representation woman protestantism obviously given sufficient attention signs times point equality women equality requires anchored figure divine woman , bride christ person christ cannot replaced organization , bride cannot placed church feminine , like masculine , demands equally personal representation assumption , however , according dogmatic view , mean mary attained status goddess , although , heaven , functionally par christ , king rate , position satisfies need archetype par 753 4 jung stick psychology rather getting theology jung made clear talking psychology , theology comments psychological image god function human , actual existence nature god revdak netcom com
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization u toronto zoology lines 16 article access digex net prb access digex net \( pat \) writes , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable design solar arrays detachable shuttle going retunr hst , bother arrays detached emergency expensive hardware thrown away casually \( bearing mind nobody knew design defective \) deployment crew found nasty flaw lid failing open , example would bit embarrassing throw solar arrays away get thing back payload bay svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) nntp posting host debra dgbt doc ca organization communications research centre , ottawa distribution na lines 75 article rens imsi com rens imsi com \( rens troost \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth tendency part people hide head sand never advocated hiding sand i'm advocating peaceful solution peaceful solution possible unless want blood hands many people want jailed convictions , insistence real privacy \? sit quietly preconditions real civil war put place short sighted government read everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper terminal pen \) type corrected \( \) really \? guess mean u revolution england , india , mexico , france , holland english revolution revolution \? never one india could get around religion restrictions mexico point taken , forgot one france napoleon would something say holland n't know one , wo n't comment n't know enough 's good odds misinformed whole issue topic actually , consider issue topic start gambling fire crackers , sooner later , somebody going lose hand cops kick door using pgp , tell 're exercising \( called , rapidly narrowing \) right free speech fine exercise right free speech 's great ! n't resort armed violence 's possibility perhaps talk government disciple david cops friends sternlight \? believe bad cops , good cops bad people , good people \( grey inbetween \) pleasure knowing police officer best uphold laws swore defend also seen happens police power abused n't generalize either direction causes problems implied threat private crypto , subtle subtext clipper announcement , worries n't want children growing police state either nice worms , ai n't \? jerry han crc doc div behavioural research jhan debra dgbt doc ca opinions , opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories 've left behind , still ringing ears genesis
jpr1 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( james p reynolds \) subject get \( ever learn \? \) organization lehigh university lines 135 article cellar org , techie cellar org \( william bacon \) writes refuse learn history present pointing canada 's vaunted socialized medical care program , contends failing even cost catching angry taxpayers notes americans n't go canada elsewhere medical care 's canadians others come united states duplicate n't work well countries \? world 's best medical care let 's mess hillary clinton 's plans socialized medicine john f , national president john society says , world 's best medical care , hardly believe 's referring system 1 costs us 14 percent gdp , n't single country industrialized world spends 10 percent 2 leaves 37 million us coverage , even though systems industrialized world cover virtually everyone 3 yet , americans rank near bottom list terms life expectancy , childhood immunization rate , infant mortality , many diseases 4 pay , average , 1000 mris \( put perspective , cost 177 japan \) 5 average us company spends 2500 dollars year per employee health benefits seven hundred 1500 range everywhere else anyone say system best world \? thing usa health care system good well insured patients treatment care outrageously private system insurers paperwork bloated inefficient sucks 100 billion dollars year money every sector society individuals , government , industry 800 billion dollars americans threw pit health care costs last year , consumer 's union estimated least 200 billion thrown away overpriced , useless , even downright harmful tests procedures , bureaucratic , regulated insurance system world 1200 different private insurers usa private competition stimulate efficient paperwork \? ask doctor 's hire full time clerk deal ! competition among hospitals driving costs , competition among hospitals doctors patients encouraged hospitals traffic expensive equipment spending millions expensive machines dubious value spend 80 percent day idle n't idea world 's best health care system competition among specialists driving perform dangerous expensive procedures marginally helpful i'm especially thinking heart surgery women 's like cesarean section sound like world 's best health care system \? ever notice , every time someone tries bring real change health care , start bashing canada 's system \? first , hillary clinton advocating another canadian system think 's made abundantly clear news last couple months john f get idea , anyway \? let 's say 're canadian living small town near usa border child needs complicated procedure available city hospitals nearest canadian cities 6 hours west 20 hours east , 's american city one hour south way going go \? american system best world , convenience \? still amazes people ca n't seem see black white health care reform million different ways system 's choice total government control total private control wish people screaming socialized medicine every time wants change current syste would inform health care issues current system sucks want keep providers private n't change fact never able deal deficit n't reform health care system purely private health care without government intervention n't work hillary clinton thinking providers insurers scream socialized medicine programs \? n't even know 're talking \? ever see clinton 's graphs projected deficit versus year rest decade \? notice line falls , starts increasing \? \? 'll give one wild guess component spending overwhelm us n't something get current health care system cancer killing economic well costs still rising 10 percent year even americans tens millions go without , forced managed care programs , certainly pretty socialized already ask couple months ago posted message asking hillary bashers please come forward present \( , straight talk \) would set keeping costs n't get single answer thing keep hearing organizations press releases filled evasive like give health care back people expect without serious reforms \? current system would change would help \? anyone read news , live system , see faults \? deal deficit , cities , educational system , , aids , modernizing industry , etc n't quit throwing away money could used solve problems \? america needs health care reform n't sit hillary bash , inform ! jim reynolds james p reynolds \( 's jim \) jpr1 lehigh edu
huot cray com \( tom huot \) subject espn2 tell us lines 18 nntp posting host pittpa cray com organization cray research inc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 geoff filinuk \( filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \) wrote comes indirectly al works studio espn hockey text deleted espn contractual obligation show baseball could broadcast ot hockey game next year , espn2 introduced baseball fans watch baseball hockey fans watch hockey n't heard new espn2 new network supposed start \? sounds great ! \( long cable co offers \) tom huot huot cray com
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\( rashid \) subject yet rushdie islamic law nntp posting host organization nh lines 231 article 1993apr17 801 monu6 cc monash edu au , darice yoyo cc monash edu au \( fred rice \) wrote stuff deleted , believe blindly following anyone , matter knowledgeable may islamic law someone tells islam says , immediately say show support statement qur'an sunnah believe islamic duty , according one hadith prophet \( peace blessings god \) , leader tells enter fire , \( kill \) , sinned wrong , even though blindly following instructions leader responsible actions , abu , imam malik , etc , even blindly following opinions abu etc mind , understanding , must look reasoning behind opinions muslims support khomeini 's fatwa , understanding , hadith upon support khomeini 's fatwa relating particular instance occurred war time , brother , general , imho ridiculous wrong say hadith relating actions war usable times peace think sensible human see , personally think reasoning ulema matter faulty , think legitimate use acts war times peace regarding particular subject think wrong , please feel free say , reasoning qur'an hadith , please somebody said , want reasoning al qur'an hadiths perhaps take discussion soc religion islam please email , rashid , think way , also disagree opinion regarding punishment apostasy viewpoint follow general punishment apostasy strongly supported qur'an hadith well shown book punishment islamic law mohamed el \( american trust publications , 1981 \) reiterate would agree little justification punishment apostasy qur'an islamic history , well , apostasy rarely punished belief considered matter conscience since compulsion matter belief , generally left believe believe however , apostate makes attacks upon god messenger situation changes charge apostasy may complicated charges perhaps charges , treason , spying , etc person makes public issue apostasy mounts public attacks \( opposed arguement \) islam , situation likewise complicated person spreads slander broadcasts falsehoods , situation changes punishments vary according situation apostate anyhow , charge aggravated apostasy would subsidiary charge rushdie 's case distinction qur'an formal war situation situation someone unilaterally wages war \( actions \) , creates disorder , makes mischief , etc muslims creates situation results harm muslims , small group even single individual could said engaged practise words , clear difference formal war situation \( two clearly defined parties wage war , conclude treaties , exchange prisoners , etc \) , dealing attacks come isolated individuals groups islam second situation , unilateral attack spreading fasad would apply case rushdie matter rushdie simple matter banning offensive book \( banning book secondary \) full set circumstances following publication book come play well , including deaths many muslims , rushdie 's \( publishers \) media games , believe blindly following anyone , matter knowledgeable may islamic law someone tells islam says , immediately say show support statement qur'an sunnah believe islamic duty , according one hadith prophet \( peace blessings god \) , leader tells enter fire , \( kill \) , sinned wrong , even though blindly following instructions leader responsible actions , abu , imam malik , etc , even blindly following opinions abu etc , understanding , hadith upon support khomeini 's fatwa relating particular instance occurred war time , brother , general , imho ridiculous wrong say hadith relating actions war usable times peace think sensible human see , personally think reasoning ulema matter faulty , think legitimate use acts war times peace regarding particular subject sure hadith referring believe one verses fatwa based 5 33 every verse qur'an corresponding circumstance revelation way understanding \( \) verse restricted solely particular historical circumstance revealed case could say laws regulations revealed muslims involved conflict , suspended war logic follow complex , real life situations , may many verses many hadiths related single , complicated situation internal relationships verses may quite complex , arriving understanding verses applies particular situation quite demanding task necessarily simple process may many parameters involved , may larger context particular situation viewed matters impinge situation words great deal involved qur'an qur'an asks us reflect verses , reflection must entail simply reading verse corresponding hadith reflection sake increasing personal , person level understanding harm however , reflection order decide matters pertain state , laws rulings , society , justice , guidance community , certain minimum requirements understanding one achieve ibn muhammad \( \) relates requirements , taught prophet \( \) , hadith distinguish book allah verse one , specific one general one , decisive ambiguous differentiate permission obligation , recognize verse period one , know circumstances revelation , understand technical words qur'an \( whether simple compound \) comprehend knowledge decree measure , ignorant advancing delaying \( verses \) distinguish clear deep , manifest esoteric , beginning termination unaware question answer , joining , exceptions inclusive , ignorant adjective preceding noun explains subsequent one unaware emphasized subject detailed one , obligatory laws , places duties rules , meaning lawful unlawful know joined words , words related coming , man know qur'an among people qur'an based hadiths , accordance many verses \( company every group remain behind gain profound understanding \( \) religion warn people return , may beware \( 9 122 \) \) , science arose requirements person considered \( one pronounce matters law religion \) many 've listed major divisions , course , many subdivisions within headings knowledge arabic \( syntax , , roots , semantics , \) knowledge principles logic \( \) knowledge hadiths knowledge transmitters \( \) knowledge principles \( qur'an , sunnah , consensus , reasoning \) study qur'an sunnah purposes law involves discussion \( \) discussion negative \( \) discussion generalities \( wa \) discussion unconditional conditional discussion tacit meanings discussion abstract clear discussion principles application law involves principles exemption principles precaution principles option principles bound go rigorous process judgement given situation matter looking one verse one hadith one blindly follow anyone , difference blind following opinion someone clearly knowledgeable qualified oneself famous hadith prophet \( \) says \( religious scholars \) prophet , long concern illicit desires , pleasures , wealth world prophet \( \) asked messenger god ! may know concern \? \( \) replied seeing whether follow ruling power , fear religion shun yet know enough imams four sunni comment hadith applies contemporary scholars base upon prophet also refered fortress islam point make clear arriving legal judgement calls play certain amount expertise specifics expertise qur'an hadith acquire expertise praised qur'an hadith without requisite knowledge pronounce matters affect society , state , religion reason said anything rushdie affair group , whole basis discussion fatwa \( , apostasy \) , wrong one discusses something least base discussion fact secondly , khomeini condemned heretic supposedly claimed infallible another instance creating straw man beating perhaps take discussion soc religion islam please email , rashid , think agree move discussion another newsgroup unfortunately , access email , private discussion moderated group question \( cannot post moderated group like soc religion islam soc culture arabic talk religion misc \? salaam laikum
bks2 cbnewsi cb att com \( bryan k strouse \) subject nhl playoff results games played 4 22 93 organization keywords division semis game 3 lines 128 nhl playoff results 4 22 93 conference semi finals best seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf \( leads 3 0 \) stl \( leads 2 0 \) win pit \( leads 3 0 \) bos chi van \( leads 2 0 \) nyi \( leads 2 1 \) mon tor la \( tied 1 1 \) que \( leads 2 1 \) det \( leads 2 0 \) cal quebec nordiques \( leads series 2 1 \) 1 0 0 0 1 montreal canadiens 0 1 0 1 2 1st period que , sundin 1 \( \) 1 17 2nd period mon , muller 1 \( damphousse , bellows \) \( pp \) 1 30 3rd period none 1 overtime mon , damphousse 1 \( bellows , desjardins \) \( pp \) 10 30 powerplay opportunities nordiques 0 4 canadiens 2 6 shots goal nordiques 12 4 14 5 35 canadiens 11 14 13 12 50 quebec nordiques hextall \( 2 1 \) \( 50 shots 48 saves \) montreal canadiens roy \( 1 2 \) \( 35 shots 34 saves \) att 17 , 679 pittsburgh penguins \( leads series 3 0 \) 1 0 3 4 new jersey devils 1 1 1 3 1st period njd , guerin 1 1 03 pit , mceachern 3 \( straka \) 9 36 2nd period njd , holik 1 \( stevens \) 16 32 3rd period pit , lemieux 4 \( murphy , ramsey \) 1 07 pit , taglianetti 1 \( loney , tippett \) 7 05 pit , murphy 1 \( francis , tocchet \) \( pp \) 9 31 njd , semak 1 \( zelepukin \) 9 44 powerplay opportunities penguins 1 4 devils 0 5 shots goal penguins 7 16 12 35 devils 16 11 5 32 pittsburgh penguins barrasso \( 3 0 \) \( 32 shots 29 saves \) new jersey devils billington \( 0 1 \) \( 35 shots 31 saves \) att 14 , 974 boston bruins 1 0 2 0 3 buffalo sabres \( leads series 3 0 \) 2 0 1 1 4 1st period buf , mogilny 4 \( lafontaine , hawerchuk \) \( pp \) 1 33 buf , khmylev 1 \( smehlik , hannan \) 4 42 bos , bourque 1 \( oates , donato \) \( pp \) 17 33 2nd period none 3rd period bos , smolinski 1 \( oates \) 13 28 buf , b sweeney 2 \( khmylev , carney \) 14 56 bos , neely 3 \( oates , shaw \) 15 57 1 overtime buf , khmylev 2 \( hawerchuk , lafontaine \) \( pp \) 1 05 powerplay opportunities bruins 1 5 sabres 2 7 shots goal bruins 11 8 15 0 34 sabres 12 11 8 3 34 boston bruins blue \( 0 1 \) \( 34 shots 30 saves \) buffalo sabres fuhr \( 3 0 \) \( 34 shots 31 saves \) att 16 , 325 washington capitals 1 1 1 0 3 new york islanders \( leads series 2 1 \) 1 0 2 1 4 1st period nyi , thomas 1 16 37 , burridge 1 \( may , cavallini \) 18 58 2nd period , carpenter 1 \( ridley , bondra \) 6 18 3rd period , elynuik 1 \( carpenter , ridley \) 6 15 nyi , thomas 2 \( turgeon , king \) 11 11 nyi , turgeon 3 \( thomas , hogue \) 19 17 1 overtime nyi , ferraro 3 \( hogue , flatley \) 4 46 powerplay opportunities capitals 0 2 islanders 0 4 shots goal capitals 10 8 6 1 25 islanders 10 6 8 6 30 washington capitals tabaracci \( 1 2 \) \( 25 shots 21 saves \) new york islanders healy \( 2 1 \) \( 30 shots 27 saves \) att 14 , 180 spike
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject go hell ! ! ! organization case western reserve university lines 16 distribution na nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article healta 161 saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes wear nicest boxer shorts bring plenty spf 45 'll grab bathing suit , ! ! sound good enough , dean \? every poster invited ! ! ! room \? , believe upstanding moral churches , nudity sin sole intention learning fly
rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu subject hail stan ! nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 71 found net college sounds pretty good folks think \? tenets stan handed set within holy book stan 1 thou shalt spill thine drinks waste thine food , sacred , waste denizen luc , infidel waste today shall tomorrow 2 thou shalt pay heed know higher calling stan may teach way , thou shalt become one stan universe shall hands 3 thou shalt honor thy loved ones cherish near , true path happiness , happiness devine gift thy lord stan 4 stan one true god shall taken others false gods know one , oppose shall forever banished form sheep sent flocks luc eternity 5 word law , law word word within thine heart , follow path true thine self thou shalt blessed stan , thy lord saviour 6 thou shalt honor faiths others , choice follow path , think less others different faith , yet even face false gods , waiver thine faith stan , hope see light stan 7 thou shalt wrong others different , stan different , holds freedom highest regard , less would fall luc , infidel , stan control , merely guides , lets choice lie within thine heart 8 thou shalt know thy lord stan many names called differently many people , know also stan true name , faith shall know stan god god stan 9 thou shalt world thou art , false others false thy lord stan asks like , asks like ever meant 10 thou shalt kill innocent spill blood unnecessarily , deserving death shall dealt stan sent eternity flocks luc , harm children stan , born woman , shall judged sheep luc spend time within flocks commandments words stan heed shall happy , thy lord stan happy , happiness shall passed followers hail stan ! seems like pretty good set tenets v like e mail robert voss die ! ! especially rgv9488 ultb isc rit edu 25 andrews memorial dr die ! ! side order rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu cpu die ! ! french fries rgv9488 ritvax bitnet rochester ny die ! ! die ! ! darkness eternal ! call ! phone number \( 716 \) 475 die ! !
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject oilers sale \? \? organization university toronto chemistry department lines 40 article yadalle yadalle cs ualberta ca \( yadallee dave \) writes 's one mill oilers might move hamilton porklington get free deal probability oilers going anywhere pocklington chosen moment make last stand moment maximum advantage provincial government months away provincial election moment maximum power convince northlands give better arena deal better purchase price nhl 's new collective agreement players might involve enhanced revenue sharing pocklington many things stupid one dictate terms cities pay price edmonton n't edmonton already fucked international airport , surrendered supremacy calgary , next years edmonton going take hard hit government screw beyond manages find way lose hockey team northlands wants continue use oilers subsidize horse racing however , case , long term financial viability oilers , fact pocklington basically right , regardless owns team , right provoke crisis , team millions dollars losses , becomes lack money sather done job oilers poised competitive soon \( al , one hockey writers canada post oilers season globe mail recently agrees \) gerald
robert monster apd saic com \( robert w ii \) subject arcade video games sale northern virginia organization saic reston , va distribution usa lines 14 sale northern arcade video games asteroids 200 omega race 300 upright video games excellent condition \( \) \( robert w ii \( \) email robert monster apd saic com \) 1005 street work \( 703 \) 318 \) herndon , va \( \) home \( 703 \) 709 \( \) \(
brian ucsd edu \( brian \) subject help kidney stones organization avant , ltd lines 12 nntp posting host ucsd edu recall bout kidney stones , n't medication anything except relieve pain either pass , broken sound , extracted surgically , x ray tech happened mention 'd kidney stones children , childbirth hurt less worked , although nearly got arrested way home police car parked outside er brian
matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host snow nsc com organization thought police watchdog agency , u lines 212 article 1993apr19 gordian com mike gordian com \( michael thomas \) writes article voder nsc com , matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) writes article 1993apr16 gordian com mike gordian com \( michael thomas \) writes far set moral tone concerned , community collectively want put prostitution going front kids , \? community want see proliferation drugs among kids , \? right \? tell , standpoint drug dealer prostitute , difference gun pointed local city council feds \? something wrong , wrong period sustainable federal level ok geographical unit smaller \? peter nelson posted eloquent response point talk politics misc , need consume bandwidth problem egalitarian view tries deny fundamental dilemma democratic government people right exercise voice community , yet individuals right left serious dilemma precisely much takes place vacuum seriously word egalitarian look word use vast difference equal justice law meant , clear , intersection set liberal libertarian philosophies natural rights government \( constitutional interpretation particular \) fits philosophy philosophy engages serious practical error nine lawyers supreme court almost totalitarian authority , completely outside consent consensus people supreme court nominations amazing political fist fights days , controls court rules country people court may well trying best job , best benevolent , even approve every supreme court decision ever eventually , arise hold dear try supreme court cases jury , problem would great deal would create broad , non enumerated government powers level \( european democracies current de facto standard u \) essentially engaged fundamental mistake , except different body totalitarian , virtually unchecked \( except plurality election , death , retirement \) , government power community allowed stop activities i'm picking pocket \? n't like \? find morally repugnant \? like asking wind blows , unless prove fact engaging certain activities absolutely effect whatsoever human engagement activities human activities indeed fit category even , would empower make judgement fully autonomous activity \? defines picking pocket \? economic assets person 's assets , peace mind , stability , confidence child 's emotional environment , security , many things also part person 's assets \? gives right create moral environment parent strongly objects \? gives right create environment social unrest instability \? say effects , authority say \? empowered make value judgements \? would feel got gang together found xtianity \( insert favorite cause \) morally repugnant passed laws outlaw free exercise \? \( local level , since seems ok \) federal constitution explicitly prohibited , federal government would prevent , could muster enough local support pass amendment local constitution \( , say , 3 4 majority \) local government , would vote feet move neighborhood friendly system values ideal situation , far better mess right gang torch wielding friends , restrictive local laws personally would advocate vote , since view exercising government power neighbors done extreme care absolutely necessary believe protecting children victimization people callous disregard effects others would certainly leave well behaved massage alone , long detrimental effects neighborhood n't get debate whether would would vote away rights propriety whether even option define rights broadly , practical choice whether people infringe upon rights since rights overlap even rights defined narrowly , government empowered prevent others infringing rights fundamental question , whose authority power created support current situation natural rights supreme court \( rather original understanding supreme court , even better , supreme court jury \) , consenting nine lawyers washington , c create powers air fractal federalism scenario , broad consensus people \( e amendment process \) creates powers certainly cause , mike , people local neighborhood voice goes neighborhood deny create another concentrated centralized power keep locality abusing power ! ! ! mean centralized power , individual \? , mean federal government comes guns tell locals run neighborhood waco , tx nice example essence , using pit bull keep toy biting leg chances , pit bull going turn day , much less defense toy ideally , everyone would leave everyone else alone government coercive power kind would necessary never work , people different nature always want force views others case , nobody would try force view murder wrong anyone else fine force views others prosecute leave alone simple concept feel speech codes \? hate speech certainly could considered indication pit bull going turn day community allowed limit \? , \? create community public masturbation permitted cause personal autonomy , done anything different \? precisely autonomous activities referring \? list , perhaps get enough people agree truly autonomous pass constitutional amendment protecting feel david koresh \? deserve \? batf \( local version \) allowed toss jail think 's rocker \? koresh incident appears horrendous abuse government power , power possibly obtained means would abolish constitutionality knock warrants seems dubious , mention mere existence batf government 's propensity ignore word infringe second amendment power upheld body , incredible concentration power hands nine people , upheld much called civil rights \( read affirmative action \) legislation despite fourteenth amendment said anything public till \? get rid , get face agree getting rid public till still sure n't want come coffee \? might especially like neighborhood , might especially like , least agree let live kind life want point get rid public till , lose credibility say private affairs sure ready \? money certainly asset world , would bleak existence indeed michael thomas \( mike gordian com \) matt freivald thinking irrelevant integrity irrelevant free speech irrelevant private property irrelevant personal responsibility irrelevant futile assimilated opinions employer ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject help changing startup logo organization george washington university lines 69 article f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( c doelle \) writes hello brad ! monday april 26 1993 17 24 , brad smalling wrote \( crosspost 1 \) bs since n't know setup \) bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs \( grabbed supercharging windows judd robbins great book \) bs also put logo windows startup brad , procedure used compress bmp file \? would rle file love use bmp files created logo screen thanks chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( 1 106 3333 26 \) thought 'd reply , though ai n't brad case , lot picture file viewers convert , say , gif , etc , bmp convert rle know fact paintshop \( shareware cica desktop , think , filename zip \( think , vvv ver number 's true , let know post \) , however , write rle file bmp extension , rename , another thing windows' faq file less 64 k \( least 's faq says , mine wont work 30 maybe mend 32k , n't know \) file fit vga size \( 480 860 , whatever standard vga size \) use non vga screen \( e g cga , ega , svga , also way , thing instead vgalogo lgo use another file , lgo , lgo , something i'm sure , vga , i'm sure could find faq \( windows help ver available cica , n't filename \) also bmp 16 colours less specs rule good bmp 's found cartoon drawings work quite well advantage looking good little memory finally , remember save current win com , put new win com windows directory also , n't start windows directory another win com present , used instead one windows dir , win wo n't start share fairly , n't take slice pie \( pf \) mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) subject burden proof organization decision support inc lines 40 nntp posting host bozo dsinc com article 1993apr21 888 batman bmd trw com jbrown batman bmd trw com writes default condition , absence preponderance evidence either way , proposition assertion undecidable person takes undecidable position says simply proposition true , one holds burden proof called weak atheist position virtually stands firm foundation logical argument , 's proponents simply disbelieve existence god \( \) therefore hold burden proof n't assert anything , n't prove anything 's weak atheism draws strength strength also heel without assertions axioms , one foundation upon build philosophy , 's virtually worthless imo , course yes , philosophy weak atheism worthless true exactly sense philosophy disbelief zeus worthless atheists construct personal philosophies many different sources , building non god based ideas way christians build non zeus based ideas atheists base philosophy atheism christians base nonexistence zeus weak atheist position logically extremely logical demonstration existence god completely destroys soon demonstration made presence given weak atheist atheists newsgroup regularly attempts provide logical demonstration , fail miserably fact , people around claim strong \( opposed mathematical \) atheist position basis believe god , also arguments presented favor particular gods date proven unsound therefore , one say gods argued arguments exist n't apply gods defined logically , gods popular religion , coherence claims quite questionable jim perry perry dsinc com decision support , inc , matthews nc opinions nominal fee ,
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject report redesign team organization express access online communications usa lines 52 distribution world nntp posting host access digex net article cohen q5022531 mdc com cohen ssdgwy mdc com \( andy cohen \) writes following feed us posted already , number items seen yet design teams presented three options study option modular buildup pete priest presented option priest n't think work still space integration problems , small modules , especially bus 1 modules mol would bigger also , budget problems may end small station wont science community support option b freedom derived mike griffin presented status option program may cut costs , basic problems freedom remain space integration , many flights build enough science option c launch core station chet vaughn presented option c , single launch core station concept shuttle external tank solid 5 billion build mir think nasa locked onto design , back 1984 , scarring support truss real , 'd looking flying space station looks realistic , , imho , , dont know enough power toss cdr 'd existing hardware take 1 3rd power cut way core launch station lot positive ideas could stick hatches experimental concept modules like et derived workshops inflatable modules pat \( oct 31 cancellation opinion ac \) sad true killed mis management pat
klf druwa att com \( franklinkl \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? summary ferrari true boxer \? lines 24 article engr washington edu , eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes examples ferrari 's 512tr flat 12 boxer porsche 's 911 flat 6 subaru 's impreza flat 4 think got way round ferrari flat 12 180 degree v12 true boxer , subaru porsche true boxers n't know vw bug though , suspect also true boxer eliot serious \? auto lot bringing term boxer popular forefront ferrari 512 boxer 5 liter , opposed 12 cylinder engine ken franklin say 's heaven people wait ama say 's better say ai n't gwrra 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints dod 0126 sinners lots fun , y'know good die young
garym alsys com \( gary morris ignite \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization alsys group , san diego , ca , usa lines 24 1993apr28 lambda msfc nasa gov bday lambda msfc nasa gov \( brian day \) writes rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload hst really much heavier spacelab \? \? \? hst 25 , 500 lbs \( 11 , 600 kg \) n't include cradle would cargo bay deployed spacelab j sts 47 21 , 861 lbs \( according press kit \) someone else pointed unable deploy reason would land still cargo bay planned contingency problem shuttle , though would eliminate ksc landing site , still go edwards landing something like spacelab cargo bay garym gary morris internet garym alsys com teleuse development uucp uunet ! alsys com ! garym alsys group \( telesoft \) phone 1 619 457 2700 san diego , ca , usa fax 1 619 452 1334
sco com \( anthony \) subject nhl draft organization sco canada , inc lines 3 believe nhl draft june 18th weekend
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject kubota kenai denali \? organization center instructional research computing activities lines 11 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu anyone real experience kubota kenai denali series graphics workstations \? pretty much blow pants sgi machines sun machines price point , 50 , 000 bucks real nice stuff , 've seen stuff paper i'm wondering , anything like \? specs massive get , summary desired could spec sheet brian
andrew frip wv tek com \( andrew klossner \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? reply andrew frip wv tek com organization tektronix color printers , wilsonville , oregon lines 17 villager quest seem like best voyager copies come along since mazda mpv 'll agree villager mpv 's small 'd class suv extra seat get rear cargo space , shove back seat middle seat , eliminating leg room back villager price controversial use attack belts instead 3 point belts killed andrew klossner \( andrew frip wv tek com \)
turmoil halcyon com \( tim crowley \) subject waco fire organization northwest nexus inc lines 20 nntp posting host nwfocus wa com eck panix com \( mark eckenwiler \) writes cpqhou se hou compaq com , cpqhou se hou compaq com sez houston chronicle last thursday \( maybe wednesday \) said interior walls covered hay bales help protect bullets many know fast dry hay burns terribly interesting , n't belong misc legal take elsewhere , please course 's certainly legal matter 's legal matter interest may simply put kill file ya turmoil halcyon com fuck police ! ! ! !
admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) subject caps postseason fortunes organization pi club johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 17 distribution world expires 5 9 93 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu summary history repeats okay , caps break golf clubs , anyone history washington futility record playoffs \? remember terry 's first year first year caps finally made third round brian , noticed every year caps got second round years n't make past first round trend \? admiral , hopeless caps fan p still remember 3 ot loss islanders ! ! admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu 1993 world champions baltimore orioles \? series yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals bangles greatest female rock band ever existed ! sig brought frungy ! sport kings ! god man , drilling holes head answer ! dr mccoy
subject zeno 's countersteering paradox unveiled ! ! ! stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 14 article 1993apr26 1 nyu edu , nyu edu wrote therefore , point time even though front wheel turned right must going straight ahead \( point go right turn left \) trying describe transition point front wheel actually direction turns backwards john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
kosmos wcc govt nz subject desktop fonts changing \? organization wellington city council \( public access \) , , nz lines 30 reply kosmos wcc govt nz nntp posting host kosmos wcc govt nz article albany edu , albany edu writes one users unusual problem alt tab full screen dos program , goes back windows desktop fonts changed goes back full screen dos program goes back windows , font changed back default font 's major problem \( everything works font \) , annoying anyone idea happens way , dec machine 's consolation , similar problem recall , exited dos session full screen mode , menu titles changed scrambled version icon title font \( something like \) started happening used win ini change desktop font stopped exiting dos sessions full screen mode mac used something similar n't computers weird \? mark cri nz oceanographic \( \) 310 evans bay rd , point telephone \( 64 4 \) 386 1189 po box 14 901 , fax \( 64 4 \) 386 wellington , new zealand
poram mlsma att att com subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization lines 123 andrew continuing discussion deuterocanonicals article may 13 02 29 43 1993 geneva rutgers edu revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes poram ihlpb att com wrote lets talk principles accept god sets standards ought included scripture ask 1 authoritative \? authoritative quality writing statement community faith whether accept writing arguably , since authority matter communicator say , example jesus lord whether world large accepts authority thus bible considered authoritative content whether accepted \( issue heart pilate 's pragmatic question truth \? jesus lord brought jesus' reply appeal authority father \) also might like consider claimed authority represented statements thus says lord bible , claim put across exact words god fall danger relativism rejection authority claim lies community faith something become truth accepted \? main thrust argument direction well \( reference rev 22 came \) 2 prophetic \? prophecy defined \? speaking forth god 's message , much apocrypha must surely qualify narrowed predictive elements cut 39 accepted ot books well nonetheless criteria determining validity book jesus' standards scripture cannot broken name single prophecy fits bill apocrapha \? \( ie definitely fulfilled written \) 3 authentic \? , standard \? authenticity function authors \? historical accuracy \? subjective evidence come light contradict confirm authenticity \? \( archaeological , textual evidence example \) 4 dynamic \? supposed mean \? many apocryphal books highly dynamic thought provoking , faithful , even exciting getting relationship text reader quality writing , ability fire mind , affect thought life cause us act certain way something jesus' quote man live bread alone , every word proceeds mouth lord \( matt 4 4 \) 5 received , collected , read used \? \? course apocryphal books received \( \) , collected \( else would \) , read used \( still , catholic orthodox churches \) catholic church give authority apocrapha accepted 66 books \? certainly widely used ot nt counts , apocrapha falls short glory god demonstrably false think said may want revise conclusion addition think , eg koran , book mormon would using principles one word caution may find books may derived bible remember lucifer quite capable appearing angel light quoting scripture quote unger 's bible dictionary apocrapha 1 abound historical geographical inaccuracies anachronisms books bible thinking \? deletions view words warn everyone hears words prophecy book anyone adds anything , god add plagues described book anyone takes away book prophecy , god take away share tree life holy city \( rev 22 18 9 \) surely sets standard man made traditions words clearly meant refer book revelation alone , whole body scripture revelation accepted late canon church simply see primary role kind identifying limiting scripture 've lost point context arguing statement rev applied , whole acceptance rejection idea follow man made traditions believe act god involved selection criteria classified scripture comes definition 3 16 revdak netcom com barney resson many shall run fro , knowledge shall increase \( daniel \)
ebay sun com \( david edwards \) subject strike zone width 23 \( jose canseco 's organization sun microsystems , inc lines 38 distribution usa reply ebay sun com nntp posting host ebay sun com article atlas nafb trw com , atlas nafb trw com \( \) writes well , 's studying tape , frame frame 's biggest thing notice , however , strike zone become death union ! plate 17 \( 1 \) across , 23 ! call high strikes strikes , quit calling pitches 3 outside strikes 're balls ! speaking 23 wide strike zone 'd sure like see cameras placed major league park overview shot home plate available cbs ws , dream , players managers must upset current 23 wide strike zone mark wait minute read rules right portion ball portion plate given ball 2 9 diameter sez zone width 17 \( 2 2 9 \) 22 8 still less 23 number given forgive ump 2 object moving 85 100 miles per hour many times straight line think umpires union great grasp rules ! ! ! david edwards
bst rochester edu \( john \) subject definition christianity \? organization university rochester lines 29 article may 12 04 28 31 1993 9972 athos rutgers edu clh writes often get discussions christian unfortunately number possible definitions starting broadest , commonly used definitions 3 \) next level attempt give broad doctrinal definition , includes major strands christianity , excludes groups felt outside historic christianity course slippery enterprise , since catholics could argue protestants outside historic christianity , etc think commonly accepted definition would based something like nicene creed formula chalcedon sure want include chalcedon \? presume mean description jesus fully human fully devine almost everyone would consider majority copts armenians , , christians , yet 15 centuries maintained disagree formula chalcedon would n't consider christians likely object communities n't require personal commitment jesus , tangentially related formula chalcedon thanks , john , bst rochester edu understand recent discussion , copts practical purposes accept chalcedon talk one nature rather two , issue seems one terminology rather substance clh
mdw violin hr att com \( mark wuest \) subject boston c c organization lines 27 aside moderator article may 13 02 30 00 1993 geneva rutgers edu rick granberry pts mot com \( rick granberry \) writes see wo n't quote , several errors article things differences opinion , writer plain facts confused example , kip mckean asked come lexington church leaders brought team actually charleston , il point many friends , even leaders gainesville , telling go , people northeast n't open 'd wasting time talents really ! ! \( fact kind inside joke one point church boston took well open , indeed ! \) \) could take point point , position know one way things article wanted point contains misinformation mark mark wuest opinions , 's ! ! mdw violin hr att com \( sun mailtool ok \) mdw trumpet hr att com \( next mail \)
psu edu \( pen li \) subject 35mm slide projectors sale organization penn state engineering computer lab lines 16 distribution usa nntp posting host psu edu x news reader vms news 1 24 35mm slide projectors sale regardless first post new light bulb , lens , remote controller working condition 1 kodak 800 non af 60 2 kodak autofocus 85 3 singer ii , w built lens , casette player non af 40 4 singer sp , w built lens , casette player non af 45
decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject bible quiz answers organization distribution na lines 18 article healta 153 saturn wwc edu , healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) writes 12 \) 2 ark covenant god said make image , refering idols , created worshipped ark covenant n't high priest could enter holy kept year , day atonement familiar , knowledgeable original language , believe word idol translator would used word idol instead image original said idol think 're wrong , could suggesting way determine whether interpretation offer correct dean kaflowitz
bredell tdb uu se \( mats bredell \) subject rumours new duos ! ! ! ! ! reply mats bredell udac uu se organization uppsala university computing center \( udac \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 20 brian v hughes \( hades coos dartmouth edu \) wrote bredell tdb uu se \( mats bredell \) writes official paper got apple new docking station , apple called duodock plus paper \? 's price list dartmouth since released never called duodock plus paper apple sweden announced new products \( new docking station one \) , paper arrived showed price list n't know 's still called duodock plus price list , could mistake someone apple sweden mats mats bredell mats bredell udac uu se uppsala university computing center \( udac \) ph 46 18 department medical systems fax 46 18 sweden think straight gay !
gt5311b prism gatech edu \( bhattacharya , abhijit \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization georgia institute technology lines 22 article 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes think 200 tax evasion justifies armed assault government 100 armed men trailers , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust \? doubt koresh let batf look inside place intended , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust would never come pass bd 's killed members batf first day orchestrated character assassination noise torture seem like small retribution use tanks however abhijit bhattacharya , abhijit georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu
knut tts lth se \( \) subject hot key switching program manager \? organization communication systems , lund institute technology , sweden lines 10 win 3 1 , one may assign hot keys program items within program manager program manager \? one already , way assign one \? regards , email knut tts lth se dept communication systems ! uunet ! tts lth se ! knut lund institute technology , sweden fax 46 46
diamond ac jp \( \) subject info wanted upgrading se 30 power supply nntp posting host diamond distribution comp sys mac hardware , comp sys mac wanted organization research institute electrical communication , lines 12 hello netter , want power supply se 30 8 bit color card installed know crc components , inc deals compatible power supply se 30 power plus systems anyone know phone fax number \? please reply e mail thanks ,
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization sgi lines 51 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 8mo fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes quite different saying employing force people immoral , period unfortunately , time time obliged immoral thing reasons self preservation , bear moral consequences since statements , intents purposes , say effectively thing , serious \? two statements , one says use force given situation moral , says moral say effectively thing \? yes , tag unfortunately , , intents purposes saying thing delete unfortunately tell two statement say effectively thing save everyone couple trips round loop , please notice obliged use force preserve self choose preserve self , point pacifism would say two statements , one saying x moral saying x immoral \? would decided two statements x moral x immoral actually conflict , say effectively thing prescribe one pretty good indicator case n't prescribe things , lead one precisely thing , either statements doublespeak , none might lead thing , difference motivates pacifism obviously n't lead pacifists thing 's true could formulate pragmatic belief minimum force still pacifist minimum 0 , great one always trying get close 0 force possible belief immoral , , still tending pacifism n't think use force immoral , minimise use \? jon
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject genocide caused theism evidence \? organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 181 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de benedikt article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes information invariant child son daughter singing santa claus n't argument \? \? assume , exactly \? \( \) people debate disagree premises hardly debate otherwise favorite point sense hs challenged , said , good question , address 've addressed \( caricature favourite point , needless say \) length previous outing , currently discussing eric rescorla \( b \) 's little point responding points everywhere best give everyone courtesy reply still repeat point \? curious , since believe first time 've ever made repetition would imply much seeming inability understand ask question , 'll give answer , especially case , know answer true best give everyone courtesy reply , everyone making points , i'm pushed time , try respond believe strongest points n't include post , tough usenet , life tough \( c \) since 's great deal responses n't always feasible best honestly answer questions put drop debates posters continue others appear issue every n months , start beginning 've debated issue twice , occasionally first response simon clippingdale 's positive assertion disagreement moral values acknowledges morals relative n't , simon dropped debate time take mean either busy , bored topic certainly accuse dishonesty \? \( \) ca n't always understand say neither ca n't understand time usually , one asks side means usually , one usually 're clear , sometimes n't ask mean times seem get extremely feel i'm debating line noise sometimes get tired , sometimes things 'd rather , usenet , life tough 're going deal \( e \) 're starting get personally insulting may even put name hat future 's supposed threat \? , 's simple statement , assertion answerable offer baseless insults example , accuse lying personal beliefs , also complaining n't answer questions like sense evidence sensed everything would easy almost everyone senses evidence sensed intents purposes , argument one , claim everyone senses founded , asked give evidence often , correct statement would reason assume unless evidence found problem second statement provided argument almost everyone senses freedom valuable cogent objection came jon livesey , offered people essentially , people disagree fuzzy concepts freedom 's good point , i'm thinking trick say , feel right , many know , therefore absolutely right possibility people consider right effect process , restricting claim subject process words , refutes make ontological claim , prove nonsense trick say feel better b almost disinterested person ask best evidence therefore really better b , subject assumption establish mutual satisfaction mean b , resulting system values self consistent get really better , fictional model , sense real material existence fictional model may may correspond something true nonetheless useful assumption far useful equally assumed relativist trick , wit feel better b , almost disinterested person ask however , even one person disagrees better b , even one person mutually agreed definitions b , case b better person , nothing said say useless implies supermajority seeking maximise cannot morally take action someone seeking maximise b \( e g terrorist \) would claim supermajority 's carefully considered morality would better terrorist 's would , course , true , ethical relativist claim ethical relativism implies anything else simply weasel words , example rival anything world religion similar argument , sense morality subjective , hurt things considered objectively wrong others mean things others consider objectively wrong , turns case course possible neither evidence subjectivism , evidence objectivism \( except sometimes , pragmatic sense \) serves counterexample everything subject judgements absolute long n't provide evidence something universally agreed upon reason believe hypothesis 've done freedom , still answer jon 's objection fuzzy concepts like freedom objective meaning , order make morality absolute , universal , objective , would show independent humans , attributes look quite misleading really evidence anything exists independently humans \? 'll hard pressed find n't logically equivalent applied values analogous set premises would premise 1 people believe objectively speaking shortest route house bar main entrance estate , road premise 2 checked , found shortest route much closer would never deduce shortest route house bar yet seemingly derive relativist claim , using premises logically different morals matter belief far people still believe shortest way main entrance agreement belief order analogy would show shortest way method convince everyone shortest way indeed words , analogy works one assumes premises right first place , fallacy argument objectivism , 'd right n't , though , 's demonstration argument gave neither argument objectivism , argument relativism gimmick assume first place values n't real , use prove values n't real words , beg question frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
andy bgsu edu \( jason \) subject espn thumbs ! ! organization heart black swamp lines 29 article 1993apr20 wkuvx1 bitnet , kozloce wkuvx1 bitnet wrote think proves point caps game goes overtime due contractual obligations switch fucking baseball \( sorry language im pissed ! \) hell going scheduled game went overtime \? espn get head ass know lot hey american hockey fans , hockey fan sympathize feel problem americans n't give shit hockey view bunch canadians bad missing teeth beating shit patch ice warm two thirds us see stuff naturally hand baseball gasp sigh national baseball us supposed forget sport exist april 1 november 1 feel since espn shows 5 baseball games week able show ot hockey game instead opening innings baseball game hell , game going last , miss first 1 1 2 hrs \? indians fan ! show end started , switch ! , i'm hockey fan , know \? baseball mighty sport jason andy bgsu edu go whalers ! pick well !
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 60 article vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes supports nothing reason believe piece anything another anti islamic slander job respect titles , real content look article want , true tell bcci islamic bank seeing i'm spending time responding propaganda \( responding little sub thread \) really n't feel deep need make statements effect propaganda false someone wants discuss issue seriously 'd glad real discussion , providing references , etc must admit thorough argument supporting proposition 'it 's say hope see might find argument compelling want refute point , , right well , , much poster replying quite busy really n't time respond full scholarly form every accusation made someone 's clearly antagonistic ever considered perhaps people actually believe say \? spreading propaganda \? considered someone spreads falsehoods ignorance still spreading falsehoods falsehoods generally come nowhere produced people know saying \( least \) whole truth still consider spreading falsehoods propaganda level i'm position say , since know nothing situation , estimation , qualify head ass bob , never accused head ass ! takes quite time dealing someone accusing head ass accusing original poster \( benedikt , believe \) impaired cheers , gregg
schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) subject comments clipper publication organization chinet public access unix lines 15 writing article clipper network world looking comments opinions \( quote \) scheme , implications security privacy , acceptance overseas , etc hope article , opinions various quarters catch name company affiliation appear print tight deadline \( need finish wednesday night \) please call e mail responses thanks , bruce \( 708 \) 524
andromeda rutgers edu \( david de \) subject stop message received running windows 3 1 application menu keywords windows 3 1 , application menu organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 28 running windows 3 1 386sx 16 mhz five megs memory motherboard came one meg , added four megs past weekend 70 simms installed application menu ms dos command park till today , parked disk application menu without problem attempting park heads today , received following message stop application violated system integrity due invalid general protection fault terminated message mean \? thanks , david de \( andromeda rutgers edu \) united states increased revenue without punishing obtained personal economic achievements
drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve liu \) subject formatting possible \? \? \? organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 78 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu applied engineering used sell 3 5 disk drive apple iigs read wrote 1 6 meg hd disk wonder drive would work mac , since i'm using old 3 5 drive iigs iisi thought tttttt eeeee vv vv eeeee tt ee vv vv ee tt eeee vv vv eeee steve liu tt ee vvv ee drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu tt eeeee v eeeee drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu newsgroups comp sys mac hardware , comp sys mac software subject formatting possible \? \? \? summary expires references csulb edu distribution organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa keywords article csulb edu beach csulb edu \( jeff masud \) writes friend mine owns pc said recently got program format disk exceed normal capacity hd disk apparently rewrites driver takes driver something allows get space normal hd floppy disk supposedly gets upto 1 6 megs \( something like \? \) n't program since ca n't use supposed called something like something like question whether possible mac possible due hardware limitations developer friend mine said might possible n't deal aspect field much thanks information contributed steve applied engineering used sell 3 5 disk drive apple iigs read wrote 1 6 meg hd disk wonder drive would work mac , since i'm using old 3 5 drive iigs iisi thought tttttt eeeee vv vv eeeee tt ee vv vv ee tt eeee vv vv eeee steve liu tt ee vvv ee drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu tt eeeee v eeeee drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu
kerr ux1 cso uiuc edu \( stan kerr \) subject mac x sun openwindows 3 organization university illinois urbana lines 33 nntp posting host ux1 cso uiuc edu keywords mac x openwindows 3 x ossa hq nasa gov \( benjamin jones \) writes 've run bit snag trying get mac x running would appreciate responses anyone may seen problem local network , number macs , suns sgi machines installed macx mactcp macintoshes run xclients sgi machines live long day problem try run xclient sun , setup command macx , execute nothing happens , n't even get command output , thought might routing issue , run remote xclients suns sgi machines , well vice versa also run remote xclients sgi machines local net , problem holds true non local suns well tried send private mail , mail ossa hq nasa gov rejected , extract readme file comes macx users remote commands sun machines may find remote commands appear nothing output sun machine due feature sun network daemon quietly disconnects requesting machines known sun network address \( etc hosts nis hosts \) database successfully use remote commands sunos based machine , must entry network address database macintosh running macx stan kerr computing communications services office , u illinois urbana phone 217 333 email uiuc edu
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization louisiana tech university lines 29 distribution na nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article zowie daedalus stanford edu zowie daedalus stanford edu \( craig powderkeg deforest \) writes turn dynamics sit feel like 're sitting upright good advice please , sudden moves taps shoulder let know uncomfortable , turn , prepared move back bike trust essential 1 bad crash \( nail rear tire left hand sweeper crest hill pavement gravel road \) actions helped lessen severity crashing , stayed upright saddle feet pegs hands waist able get bike slowed 10 15mph high sided got fair case road rash doc remove lot rocks knee would probably crashed greater speed causing greater injury btw , soon tire went flat , went violent tank rode normal riding posture ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines god real , unless declared integer came , saw , deleted files black holes god dividing zero world end 5 minutes please log earth 98 full please delete anyone
marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) subject need clipper cheap security \? reply marc tanda isis org distribution na organization thibault friends lines 30 article rdippold qualcom \( ron asbestos dippold \) writes thing worries 2 1 compression soundblaster automatically hardware , n't good feel processor intensive , ca n't estimate fast pc 'd need 's better way n't qualcom secure design decided market \? since n't going use , would n't patriotic thing put design public domain \? selling cryptography educational kit critical parts \? something could end pc option board two phone jacks \? cheers , marc marc thibault marc tanda isis org automation architect cis 71441 , 2226 r r 1 , oxford mills , ontario , canada nc freenet aa185 begin pgp public key block mqbnaiqxytkaaaecalfehyp0yc80s1scfvjspj5escao hihtnefrrn vuecsavh aauwpiugyv2n8n lftpnnlc42ms c8pjupykvi8abrg0i01hcmmgvghpymf1bhqg pg1hcmnadgfuzgeuaxnpcy5vcmc hlnv end pgp public key block
david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject mary 's assumption reply david bernard central sun com organization sun microsystems lines 9 also n't see necessity saying holy parents sanctified beyond normal humanity sounds like inability grasp immensity god 's grace incarnated dinary human elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject celp article lehman 1993apr22 organization partnership america free drug lines 28 gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes absolutely meant secure dedicated crypto device ever given approval guerrilla underground devices well possible today 's high speed modems \( think many v32bis modems approved either mind overpriced couriers \) someone tell hardware compression needed run digital speech 14 4k \? think 've heard 's lets say 8 bit samples would raw data corresponding sampling rate usable \? , fancy compression need \? said celp run highest speed 486s room spare turn \( 8 bit samples , 8k samples sec \) 4800 baud however , dsp hairy , yet see actual proof form implementation heard fairly reliable rumors effect famous guru celp implementation runs sparcstation 1 's room spare , succeeded thus far getting hands copy guru question reputation releasing code without beaten long time first dsp experts heavily encouraged try hand problem perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject censored free america \? node organization sun microsystems lines 20 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com article 1993apr23 mixcom mixcom com write article constitution gives right revolution things seem going \? \? hmmm peter g white , president , synthesis 93 inc milwaukee , wisconsin , u peter white mixcom com dunno 'll find constitution , document american liberty , kids taught school , declaration independence document fact justification right revolution , duty revolution people , government gets oppressive radical document , recommend americans especially office read year
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject egypt call fighting fundamentalists , objects pro bosnian steps keywords international , united nations , government , non usa government , fighting nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 43 seems egypt interested fighting wars people , objecting steps bosnia surprised , said mubarak represents egypt \( hell even represent criminals egypt \) clarinews clarinet com \( anwar \) writes \( upi \) representatives 51 islamic nations considering tuesday request bosnia herzegovina 260 million weapons fight bosnian serbs commitment far 20 million saudi arabia , thanks saudia pocket change compare liberation q8 gave weird causes k least paying already donated 100 million bosnia herzegovina sources political committee said delegates agreement need help bosnian muslims , request weapons delayed decision ``it may interpreted violating united embargo supplying arms bosnia , '' warned egyptian foreign minister amer moussa mr amr moussa worried international law tortured death many citizens shot people praying mosque , causing trouble neighbor becasue cia says n't shut , wo n't involved bosnian effort anyway , west represented even islamic conference \? hear egyptian regime , understand existence members leaders former current victims government torture , injustice , relatives victims places get psychiatric care revenge courts got resulting cycle madness initiated government illicit support west concerned safety half naked tourists conservative neighborhoods dignity , social justice , safety majority poor oppressed people egypt enough said apologists u imperialism watch movie \( 1984 \) three times row , might help \( shall say 13 times \? \)
sedona intel com \( christopher w knox \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization intel corporation lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host intel com originator sedona anyone considered prosecute city holding questions asked buy back receiving stolen property \? intel , corp 5000 w chandler blvd chandler , az
tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) subject hercules graphite \? \( results ! \) organization software metrics inc lines 48 tomh metrics com \( tom haapanen \) writes anyone used hercules graphite adapter \? looks good paper , steve gibson gave good review infoworld 'd love get real world impression , though speed \? drivers \? support \? monu6 cc monash edu au \( b wuysang \) writes impressive performance graphite winmark , wintach result \( esp paint performance \) judging wintach tests , hardly imagine cheat driver received graphite vl thursday , 've little bit experience general , feels fast , although first vlb card tried still , results impressive 486dx2 66 w 16 mb , running 1024x768 256 , 've following wintach 1 0 results card wp cad spread paint overall ati graphics ultra 13 5 14 5 19 1 25 0 18 0 ati ultra \( aperture \) 11 2 13 8 10 7 20 9 14 1 hercules graphite vl 16 1 67 8 41 4 52 8 44 5 unfortunately n't numbers , ati ultra pro vlb overall wintach score 26 ultra pro nearly fast text handling , blown away cad paint tests additional test , hand timed complex coreldraw ! slide resize redraw times swapping , 'd expect fairly heavy load cpu graphite redraw times averaged 10 2 seconds , ati ultra pro 12 0 steve gibson 's contention isa graphite faster ati complex micrografx draw document far , i'm impressed drivers look solid , card flies installation utilities different , comparable ati 's n't wait build 59 reliability software developer special , get evaluation copy card 225 \( 200 isa version \) call 800 532 0600 want give try i'm happy customer ! tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo , ont stick index fingers corners mouth pull 's corrado makes feel car , january '93
russ pmafire inel gov \( russ brown \) subject organization winco lines 17 article rpi edu chungy2 rebecca rpi edu \( yau felix chung \) writes hi anyone know possible causes chances hereditary \? cancer \( roughly , n't references hand \) 20 30 times prevalent chinese , particularly chinese southern china one province \( region \) extraordinary excess chinese others done major studies association epstein barr virus noted also , cases , general procedure reduce pain area prevents patient eating due excessive pain swallowing even talking \? used
steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) subject f cus health big secret summary administrative costs health care nntp posting host thor isc br com organization boomer , inc lines 72 article 1993apr22 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes article 1993apr21 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes article 1993apr20 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes blue cross government health insurance provider oops oops \? blue cross may well government workers massachusetts number state local governments , n't know blue cross certainly government agency private yes private deal government regulations concerning 's employees covered processed , etc mountain forms gov employees go sorry , red herring contending mountain forms processed blue cross \? blue cross insurance government employee employee private corporation , saw difference two sets forms moreover , administrative costs associated medicare , two primary forms government insurance considerably lower average private insurance companies \( 5 versus 14 16 \) evidence blue cross bears heavier burden insuring government employees private employees , post otherwise , try stick factual assertions original post implied , private insurers us whose administrative costs significantly higher administrative costs tax supported health care systems canada elsewhere remain paper bound refuse well , 's interesting defense free enterprise system contending government intervention prevents private insurance companies \? fact , true red tape burden stems lack standardization among 1500 private insurers us , 's little difficult understand anything free enterprise work way , 's , bible wall street , week admitted administrative costs significantly lower canada single payer system always cheaper guess even free enterprise advocates beginning see light try \? hmo provides good service low cost n't government telling doctors say medical procedures sorry , seem confusing proposals health care reform bush administration 's gag order federally funded family planning clinics proposals would control doctor cannot say medical procedures try jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing data , sure cut uucp ! uunet ! isc br ! thor ! steveh bulls r hofferbert bell 509 838 8826
bmaraldo watserv1 uwaterloo ca \( commander brett maraldo \) subject apple ii clone sale \( plus extras \) 170 organization university waterloo distribution na lines 17 please take system hands longer use taking valuable room system consists microcom apple ii clone 64k board installed comes load boards , including disk drive board , 2 z80 boards , 16k board , 80 column board , couple printer boards including grappler ii 2 1 2 height drives cooling fan keyboard extended variety keywords keypad 170 brett maraldo plexus productions unit 36 research alien technology today bmaraldo watserv1 uwaterloo ca uunet ! clyde ! utai ! watserv1 ! bmaraldo
azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) subject secret source announcement distribution inet organization university illinois urbana lines 12 bear tigger cs colorado edu \( bear giles \) writes wish luck figuring based information \( probably figure i'm liberal , technical degree interests , common thread throughout posts describes fair portion users internet \) sounds like brother hey n't nice oh shut , i'm posting pipe , take control arms sock mouth
randy vos stratus com subject urine analysis organization stratus computer , marlboro lines 36 nntp posting host m72 eng stratus com someone please help searching find \( many others may \) absolute removing detectable traces marijuana persons body chemical natural substance ingested added urine make undetectable urine analysis substances found know information , please email directly thank kindly support , randy
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject programmer x xxdate mon , 26 apr 93 17 13 26 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 77 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 11 vainly looked devices capable dealing nec dsp chip dont require taking mortgage , decided roll difficult task , given timing relationships set databook one thing bothers , 21 volt pulse sure , little buck step converter achieve \( otherwise 5 volt widget \) know dont need nearly pulse length q anyone come efficient programming algorithm \? cheers mike
ii uib \( torgeir veimo \) subject c classes graphics organization institutt informatikk uib norway lines 16 i'm planning writing several classes build raytracing radiosity library top , i'm wondering like freely available net go need classes like rays , vectors , colors , , surfaces , media , primitives , worlds \( containing primitives \) views images please post mail torgeir veimo studying university bergen i'm gona wave freak flag high ! \( hendrix \) would okay day ! \( police \)
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject time peak players organization allegheny college lines 28 article ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) writes \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes henderson 's stat 's probably closer dimaggio 's think give numbers man ! ! ! ! ! winfield could whip henderson 's butt well , 're absolutely , completely dead wrong , thanks playing soon get office , 'll happy post rickey dave 's career lines fine players , henderson consistently better rickey due contract problems year comments \? considering 's basically picked entire team put back , think deserves little slack , think deserves 4 year extension 6m per year quickly upset people winfield henderson better player winfield come close though lets see rickey rest career people forget good 80 's , also great rickey
distribution world armani edgeway wimsey bc ca \( anand mani \) organization ! subject quadra 900 950 lines 24 article yuma acns colostate edu , lance colostate edu \( daniel philip \) wrote anybody know difference 900 quadra 950 \? 900 popular misspelling quadra 900 , 25 mhz 040 processor 950 33 mhz 040 , local buses motherboard run faster video different also 950 run 13 believe 16 monitor 16 bit color without vram upgrade besides faster processor , 950 scsi 2 , far know , faster due separate processors handling functions 950 output 16 bit video 16 monitor 1 meg vram 24 bit 2 meg hope helps anand armani edgeway wimsey bc ca ! armani edgeway wimsey bc ca gui bbs \( 604 \) 984 anand \( 604 \) 669 views expressed mine ! firstclass \( tm \) lite \( tm \) north vancouver , bc canada
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject xv problems organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 11 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de oops , hell crosspost \? ! look onto xv 3 00 saying anything 's power brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) subject planets habitable organization bnr europe ltd , london rd , , essex , , u k lines 21 distribution sci nntp posting host 128 199 200 40 would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions eg temperature range \( temp purely dependant dist sun suns temperature \) atmospheric \? know nothing human tolerance planetary mass \? gravity surface important , much human bodies take day day also mass effect atmosphere thinking planets 3 3 times mass earth suppose density important well climate etc concern , axial tilt etc etc three factors relate one another jonathan eyes fiery breath dragon burnt girl death late saint george
gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) subject tapped , code good lines 16 n't think mr clinton even understand technical details clipper encryption scheme , assurances value al , gives says panel experts \( \? \) told lived usa , would hope experts paid fill favorite 3 letter combination doctrine plausible one going tell back door nsa assume sense work would n't pushing clinton might even believe nsa tell , record , n't back door foia request world ever find guys n't play set rules rule book , , 're allowed see either g
billn hpcvaac cv hp com \( bill nelson \) subject power , signal surges home organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 17 galen picea cfnr colostate edu \( galen watts \) writes ca n't record legally \? may court , recording personal use legal wants play ham friend , 's legal , long n't charge admission yeah goofed slip mind must getting senile deleted hey bill , three weeks ago stuff posted dealt \? busy posting 20 groups get one every three months bill
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject escrow database organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 26 article inf netcom com , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article netcom com tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) writes waco massacre big brother wiretap chip , tactic fair pernicious nonsense ! david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy since fbi 's account happened contradicted increasingly frequent basis officials investigating fire , pernicious idea believing big brother going well behaved respect cryptographic keys light serious allegations respect doj selling software various intelligence services , suppose chances future doj selling escrowed keys business firms \? trusting government honest fair putting fox charge protecting clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
ccur com \( christopher j \) subject krillean photography lines 32 organization concurrent computer corp , falls , nj lines 31 article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \( e story \) writes article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? think explain missing part leaf story actually seen reproduction particular kirlian photograph , book compiled people enthusiasts kirlian photography particular photograph \? 's right , effect observed even writers book inclined disbelieve conjecture maker photograph began placing whole leaf two plates taking kirlian photo next experiment , cut leaf half , put one half two plates , took another k p missing half effect created water , oils , etc left behind first photo explanation must tentative , n't happened regards , chris
vax2 concordia ca \( chen , xia \) subject install deluxe windows norton desktop \? news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host vax2 concordia ca organization concordia university lines 0
gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) subject batf fbi right thing waco nntp posting host imagine convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 21 article 1993apr21 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes batf fbi become latter day gestapo , become way desired get vote laws , lawmakers keep hearing people say assumes , point , choice ballot box vote yes want fbi batf become latter day n't process far complex direct control bureaucracy evaluate representatives n't often know contribution direction federal law enforcement assert got wanted absurd waco encapsulation american experience religious fanaticism , thinking overwhelming violence n't blame 'them' , fbi batf acting within parameters set years made 'them' 'them' oh , good feel much better \) way plan getting us mess \?
cohen ssdgwy mdc com \( andy cohen \) subject dc x news organization mda w lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host q5022531 mdc com static test firings scheduled saturday many schedule changes may difficult get test status next two weeks number contacts drying go new mexico go delta clipper ! !
gilham csl sri com \( fred gilham \) subject ontological argument organization computer science lab , sri international , menlo park , ca lines 12 read somewhere kurt goedel argued ontological argument god 's existence logically reasonable \( something effect \) anyone know true , citation \? thanks fred gilham gilham csl sri com peace better war 's hell war hell makes sense walker , second coming
subject experts edward look ! ! ! eis calstate edu \( philip kwok \) organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 5 student san leandro high school research project physics would like information edward vaccination small pox information would greatly thank
rats cbnewsc cb att com \( morris cat \) subject truth waco organization distribution usa lines 7 videos original batf attack bd church , anyone happen see batf agents highest structure , koresh 's room \? n't recall seeing batf agents higher roof lowest structures , made assumption batf firing tower info rounds came roof \?
mcovingt aisun4 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject help kidney stones nntp posting host aisun4 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 16 article srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move little , pain excrutiating told doctor time pain comparable childbirth \( yes , male doctor , i'm sure women disagree \) 'd really like know truth , maybe women baby kidney stone could fill one reason men learn breathing techniques , order able get pain reduction instantly , wherever michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
kestrel unx sas com \( david \) subject question originator kestrel unx sas com nntp posting host kestrel unx sas com organization sas institute inc lines 15 want something like date 0 get output date command put selection unfortunately , interactive little bugger n't command argument tell put little window , command use like \? , analog put stuff instead cut buffer 0 \? david phone \( 919 \) 677 8000 sas institute inc e mail unx sas com
po cwru edu \( mark r \) subject insuring 1992 cbr600f2 organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 39 reply po cwru edu \( mark r \) nntp posting host slc12 ins cwru edu hey , i'm time getting company cover new bike details i'm single 23 riding clean record 'new' rider companies member msf ama yet 's '92 cbr600f2 got 150 miles got temp plates still one bitch ride get ideas \? take private email lower noise net po cwru edu good mail address need hear something soon keep road thanks advance , mark well weathered leather , hot metal oil , country air sunlight chrome , blur landscape , every nerve aware red straining limits machine man
hdr ross com \( henry reynolds \) subject help w w sun 4 110 cg2 framebuffer nntp posting host organization ross technology , inc austin , tx tim andy hssc scarolina edu distribution na lines 31 xsun wo n't come color w framebuffer ! trying use xkernel 4 freshly built statically copy xsun works fine cg6 , , type , 4 110 type frame buffer get mono cgtwo0 vec cgtwo0 sun 3 color board , fast read 've tried removing dev cg , dev bw , dev fb recreating dev cgtwo0 xsun comes mono recreating dev fb , comes mono , 've tried xsun xsun dev dev cgtwo0 ps xnews come color 's statically linked , dynamically linked xsun comes mono also pps xsun compiled w gcc 2 3 3 system running 4 1 3 4 110 also running 4 1 3 thanks n advance highway made honda oyster ! ! henry reynolds hdr ross com hdr cactus org fone \( 512 \) 892 ross technology , inc fax \( 512 \) 892 5316 hwy 290 west suite 500 austin , tx 78735
cs89mcd brunel ac uk \( michael c davis \) subject leadership magazine article organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk lines 11 i'm looking following article ``the war within anatomy leadership 3 \( 1985 \) , pp 30 48 've looked libraries 3 uk bible colleges , none subscribe magazine \( us publication , btw \) anyone access article would willing post photocopy \( presume copyright restrictions allow \? \) , please e mail thanks , michael davis \( cs89mcd brunel ac uk \)
\( \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 65 article cbnewse cb att com , random cbnewse cb att com \( david l pope \) wrote article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) 've yet meet group baptists stockpiling cambell 's soup 16 's ar 15 's banging marrying thirteen yuear \( sic \) olds numerous baptists hang around n't seen behavior \? trait \( stocking food week , owning firearm \) definition cult \? proof \( aside david 's \) leads believe banging marrying thirteen year olds going \? wife know equate \? \( sic \) oh , 're really bright nobody would understood typo several parents children either one time currently inside compound made aforementioned charges one parent actually spoke said charges \( reference 13 year old daughter \) koresh phone missed point entirely 're sorry son bitch ca n't draw distinction two things since guy n't like concept freedom religion , 's going insult mom ! since 're unable formulate cogent response , make lame joke people like cheapen constitution using defend sociopaths n't deserved get life chill paranoia sociopath person sociopaths 200 persons , ca n't stand people , sharing ranch house anti social normally meaning response societal norms stealing behavior 's oxymoron group sociopaths guess 're psychologist oh well joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu suddenly becomes clear maybe get education , man everyone discover net spring \? wo n't assholes use sig send mail instead wasting bandwidth \? random joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com \( paul collacchi \) subject geronimo pena \? reply pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com \( paul collacchi \) distribution world organization pyramid technologies , mt view , california lines 32 article meaddata meaddata com , daves meaddata com \( dave spencer \) writes article cronkite central sun com , hawkwind central sun com \( bob netherton \) writes article 1993apr20 1 eagle wesleyan edu , eagle wesleyan edu writes hey 've noticed luis alicea starting 2nd cardinals instead geronimo pena pena hurt , benched poor performance \? anyone know \? quick start , pena stuck rut torre gave alicea start try get pena whatever funk worked past worked pena went 3 3 last night colorado without opening flame war , would like question notion sitting rested player real effect long term performance sure , man tired needs real rest , taking break might constructive act perhaps man mentally strained , sitting might help extent helps relax would like suggest long run , players slump , probably irrelevant paul collacchi
cdc \( musician \) subject version unix 's vi editor 3 1 \? \? organization c c di milano lines 17 pete \( edu \) wrote subject line says looked looked , came empty handed pervert \? \? \? pervert ok vi cua powerful set commands one 26 separate clipboard \( one kind data like windows \) problem know commands \( keyboard shortcut \) quite fast pc keyboard usually use fingers digit use editor want leave keyboard use mouse every time need special function menu use arrow keys away usual position hands keyboard situation vi powerful i'm searching vi editor windows bye p sorry bad english
rsilvers nynexst com \( robert silvers \) subject seen lobby , us organization nynex science technology lines 16 article apr22 yuma acns colostate edu ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes 1 \) think us afford stamp envelope , cost printing letter 2 \) kind soul would write letter , upload net , everyone could capture , print , snail mail local congressional critter btw i'm working one send something rush linbaugh clinton taking away right privacy govt standard takes , people lots money \( drug dealers \) able justify des stuff slam clinton air rob
jmk cbnews cb att com \( joseph knapp \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april organization lines 36 article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes people want gun control must obviously discount entire government story simply rationalisation enough simply dismiss government incompetent would require come solution instead come government conspiracy theory whereby government decided set murder 80 people set sort scare alow get gun control legislation 's despicable incident onto sorts people desperately trying get revolution makes ambulance chasing lawyers seem like harmless last months , souls calling c span issues mundane budget resolutions , saying n't know , feeling going revolution country , get real ! real case study revolution , go video check underground , film made weather underground 70 's even strife back , revolution never come waco supposed spark end times \? tape , interesting see way dance around issue one defining moments , comrades managed blow manufacturing bombs greenwich village problem , one said , caught armed struggle forgot personal safety n't careful course society 's fault , society n't sense worth people , neglect safety current apologists koresh may pick important tips tape ! joe knapp jmk att com
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject societal basis morality organization macalester college lines 89 article news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes 1993apr20 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) morals come societally accepted , follow \? right expect others follow notion societally mandated morality \? pardon extremism , could n't murder brother say exercising rights saw , felt good , n't want anyone forcing morality , n't follow morality \? believe morality subjective person entitled moral attitudes mine priori correct someone elses mean however must judge another basis rather moral standards entitled believe moral sense tells , rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments behavior offensive majority \? \? might makes right \? force morality \? ca n't want \? decide \? disagree \? well agree sense moral right inflict rules , one thing might add least , almost everybody wants avoid pain , means sacrificing stuff herd morality , criminals see behavior moral may realize immoral care thus following moral system immoral good point , immoral opinion n't let choose , make decision actions wrong right , since grew learned around us , idea right wrong , think must , part , incorporated rarely see criminal behaviour philosophical reasons someone lay claim alternative moral system , must sincere belief must internally consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense admit lean toward idea innate moral sense , little basis yet far concept extended \? \( stuff deleted \) mean could say would wrong us thing , behaving morally eyes chose basis condemn societies besides , 's buzz words , idea actions wrong humans societies \? holding morality subjective mean must excuse murderer \? objective suddenly \? david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton best regards , adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws
aep world std com \( andrew e page \) subject encyclopedia directory widgets \? organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 12 document either bookstores possible ftp site somewhere \? nothing really fancy , something gives listing available widgets , resources , flavors motif occur andrew e page \( warrior poet \) decision effort archer arrow mac consultant difference macintosh dsp technology want
0005111312 mcimail com \( peter nesbitt \) subject 's number call ca bills organization utexas mail news gateway lines 37 nntp posting host cs utexas edu made phone calls today , found call bill room sacramento state capitol , may order free charge bills currently pushed told fill order five bills per phone call , asked kindly told nice lady important , filled order ten california state bill room 916 445 subject need senate bill numbers house resolution numbers sorry forgot include previous letter also worry state bills ones currently aware sb 292 sb 247 sb 67 sb 89 sb 180 ab 117 ab 155 ab 166 ab 482 ab 501 thanks bob hale providing bill numbers ! peter nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay cbr600f2 pilot nra member w 41 magnum carrier hey ! fixed sig file !
bill twg bc ca \( bill irwin \) subject immaculate conception reply bill twg bc ca \( bill irwin \) organization group \( twg \) lines 53 ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes consequently , verse indicates without sin also , observed top post , mary free sin order mother jesus , definitely without sin mother jesus without sin order give birth god , n't mary 's mother without sin order give birth perfect vessel jesus \? matter , n't mary 's grandmother without sin either \? seems original sin flowing person , need last one \( mary \) none puts god box , say could n't incarnated normal human god powerful god , whatever suits purpose includes creating solar system planet earth appearance great age providing path red sea children israel depend existence ridge high ground wind blowing right speed direction birth normal sinful person without tainted original sin see far much focus objects religion nearly enough personal relationship available believers author existence , without necessity relationship god form mary , apostles pope note idea mary conceived without original sin , e immaculate conception , distinct idea mary sinned lifetime , separate doctrine , believe , also held catholic church mary born without original sin , n't sin lifetime , different jesus \? means world two perfect humans one died take away sins world gave birth \? would certainly want see scriptural support would start praying anyone god everything ever read bible teaches jesus sinless lamb god , mother , grandmother hope useful useful helping understand rc beliefs thank bill irwin group vancouver , bc , canada uunet ! twg ! bill \( 604 \) 431 9600 \( voice \) computer bill twg bc ca \( 604 \) 430 \( fax \) systems partner
jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( james r ebright \) subject tempest nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution na lines 13 article 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) writes whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes ideas claimed work deleted putting system inside faraday cage \? even could build one jim information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright magnus acs ohio state edu \( \( 0 0 \) \) jim ebright e mail jre osu edu support privacy support encryption \( \)
gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) subject long distance ir detection summary results ir beacon tracking hardware tests organization arizona state university lines 15 sburton dres dnd ca \( stan burton \) writes would like able detect angular position \( low accuracy \) ir emitting source distance 100 meters \( better \) daylight ir source could emitting signature i'm leaning toward 30 khz square wave 50 duty cycle designed built hardware 1988 would output logic level \( 567 tone detector \) upon detecting 500 led 28 feet away used motorola , biased linearly dc feedback loop servo variations sunlight \( 60hz lights \) used lenses allen sullivan
subject hockey guest spots paul h pimentel pp3903a auvm american edu organization american university university computing center lines 4 two years ago mark messier appeared david letterman summer signed wit h rangers remember mike gartner taking camera , one finally bullseye screen went blank funny saw , guess
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject escrow , escrowing ok organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 24 nntp posting host access digex net description something called fair crypto system may 1993 issue byte , p 134 , attributed mit professor silvio way works follows generate private key , break pieces s1 , s2 , s3 , s4 , s5 , \( s1 s2 s5 \) mod p give piece s1 , s2 , etc different escrow agency agencies compute g sn mod p , forward result public key telephone book keeper public key telephone book keeper g sn mod p , reduces result mod p , user 's public key , several hundered recognized escrow agencies , user could give piece key ones trusted , result would something improvement proposed clipper system still n't think key escrow good idea , philosophical security reasons , offer suggestion simply determine whether escrow advocates interested considering alternatives good faith , whether goal insure use two agencies selected face official requests
acorn co uk \( philip \) subject capturing screen shots \? organization acorn computers ltd , cambridge , england lines 17 article acorn co uk wrote trying capture 256 colour windows currently tried pressing copy screen clipboard paste clipboard windows paint package many thanks replies received couple people suggested could get paint package work properly , end took advice someone else try paintshop pro cica indiana edu thanks philip practice random kindness senseless acts beauty
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject uva nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 46 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes things university \? need go fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools especially piece information study importantly learn lot overall uva drug use actually lower average college u hate law books even though \( forces pc \) tried one last year \( way similar law university wisconsin \? found unconstitutional last year \) remember , someone ask uv speach code , really , need brief survey course law relationship professors students passed thomas jefferson sole author virginia statute religious freedom \( basis first ten amendments \) , though given full credit righting bill rights someone picked right way , 're man everything sports academics partying wonderful i'm sure lot schools good well , n't start mailing junk i'm happy maybe 'll go one medical schools couple years tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
edm wrs com \( ed mcclanahan \) subject cpu nntp posting host chaos organization wind river systems , inc lines 17 jim johnson abcd houghton mi us \( jim johnson \) writes speaking cpu fans many use clips make sure use heat sink grease , heat transfering tape , wasted money cpu fans also heat sinks \? recommend using chip \( e heat sink cpu fan \) \? talking cpu fan blowing directly cpu chip , ca n't see heat sink grease necessary \( even desireable \) edward mcclanahan edm wrs com
coyote datalog com \( e j \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization datalog consulting , tucson , az lines 26 article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes wondering one thing , actually two \( hope proper place post subject \) lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell 's concrete floor problem lead acid cells self discharge time even high quality cells \( gates instance \) discharge 50 60 3 5 month period time non sealed cells self discharge even faster battery completly charged left sitting , probably discharged past point cell occurs , many cases means ruined battery datalog consulting , tucson , az \( \) datalog com ! noao ! datalog com !
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject ibm link imagewriter distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 29 04 20 93 21 25 , larry henson unmitigated gall say lh hello , trying hook apple imagewriter ibm clone lh seem problem configuring lpt port accept lh adjust baud , parity , etc fit system \? tried mode , lh work anyone help , post e mail thanx lpt ports n't recognize baud , parity , etc settings might connect serial printer parallel port try attach serial port printer serial port pc use mode command set com port settings try c mode com1 , 9600 , n , 8 , 1 set port parameters use mode command redirect printer port lpt1 like c mode lpt1 com1 work good luck ! time flies like arrow fruit flies like banana blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
starbase spd louisville edu \( john e curtis \) subject space surveillance summary space surveillance nntp posting host starbase spd louisville edu organization university louisville keywords satellites spy space lines 6 one main reasons nations like us russia observe satellite launched system nuclear bombs orbit planned detonated leo causing pulses interfering target command control system
ucs usl edu \( hebert marc \) subject wanted portable color tv organization univ southwestern la , lafayette lines 10 seems i'm fortunate position desire many people want sell miniature color tv require color input cable vcr would prefer diagonal tube television \( lcd \) get paid first , make offer email marc
sps mot com \( mark fuller \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian nntp posting host 192 55 25 1 organization motorola inc lines 965 article 93111 byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes robert , keep making references orthodox belief , saying things like held \( cf kermit thread \) exact body theology drawing call orthodox \? holds luke meant said meant \? whenever personal interpretation biblical passages challenged , response seems one needs merely look bible order see truth , see biblical things differently \? simply assume one really understands \? rick , think safely say , 1 \) robert person understands bible , 2 \) , leadership lds church never let 's consider personal interpretations see much trust put orthodox mormonism , could never confused orthodox christianity one attacks christians , mormon apostle bruce r mcconkie said thrash around darkness trying identify elohim jehovah show relationship promised messiah also said christians wrong believe jehovah supreme deity god father , christ came mortality begotten son mcconkie stated mormons believe today truth matter said elohim father jehovah son thus aware far astray religious gone defining three one god , comes surprise learn thrash around darkness trying identify elohim jehovah show relationship promised messiah even believe jehovah supreme deity whose son came mortality begotten concept god spirit , misinformation gods heaven untrue fact , attested holy writ , elohim father , jehovah son born mortality lord jesus christ , promised messiah \( promised messiah , p 100 \) notice mcconkie said christians wrong three one god belief god spirit understanding elohim jehovah examining mcconkie 's attack validity , shall read statements mcconkie mormon sources concerning words elohim jehovah mcconkie stated chief designation christ preserved us old testament , ancient work published , exalted name title jehovah \( promised messiah , p 367 \) elohim , plural word though , also used exalted name title god eternal father , usage supremacy omnipotence , god gods \( mormon doctrine , p 224 \) agreeing mcconkie question elohim jehovah , apostle james e stated elohim , understood used restored church jesus christ , name title god eternal father , whose firstborn son spirit jehovah begotten flesh , jesus christ \( jesus christ , p 38 \) doctrinal exposition first presidency twelve apostles mormon church states god eternal father designate exalted name title \( articles faith , p 466 \) christ , , state known jehovah \( articles faith , p 471 \) today mormon leaders teach elohim ot refers god father jehovah refers christ mcconkie attacked christians saying jehovah refer father stressed two name titles changed around christ called elohim father called jehovah father elohim , jehovah jehovah christ , christ jehovah one person \( promised messiah , p 111 \) ot kjv bible , hebrew word elohim used refer true god , false gods , judges israel referring true god , elohim translated capital g referring false gods judges israel , translated small g translated four times judges \( exod 21 6 22 8 9 \) , judge \( 1 sam 2 25 \) , twice mighty \( gen 23 6 exod 9 28 \) , angels \( ps 8 5 \) , godly \( mal 2 15 \) , great \( gen 30 8 \) , great \( 1 sam 14 15 \) word jehovah traditional pronunciation yhwh yhvh vowel points taken word many people believe true pronunciation yahweh however , since jehovah rather yahweh word used mormonism , section also use jehovah instead yahweh examine validity claims mormon leaders regarding name jehovah , unlike elohim , never used false gods personal name triune god bible kjv , jehovah rendered primarily lord , sometimes god , rarely lord understand something words elohim jehovah use mormon leaders , shall consider apostle mcconkie 's attack christians believing father jehovah trying prove jehovah refers exclusively christ , mcconkie cited several verses bible verses mcconkie 's interpretation examined see whether right remember , mcconkie said father jehovah elohim first example shall consider involves mcconkie 's interpretation ps 110 1 verse stated spake david tongue touched holy spirit testified , lord said unto lord , sit thou right hand , make thine enemies thy \? \( ps 110 1 \) two lords involved one speaking one greater one making provision triumph glory message contained messianic prophecy \? think ye christ \? lord asked certain detractors toward end mortal ministry whose son \? christ son god someone else \? born divine parent men mortal son mortal father \? descendant david matter great pride jews answered , son david david 's son \? truly , much lord , logic complete , asked , doth david spirit call lord , saying , lord said unto lord , sit thou right hand , till make thine enemies thy \? david call lord , son \? , son david , great king , acting inspiration , calls lord worships \? might add lord , one spake unto david 's lord \? question jesus interpreting words psalm \? saying means ' father said unto son , elohim said unto jehovah , sit thou right hand , mortal ministry raise eternal glory , continue sit right hand forever ' \( promised messiah , pp 101 102 \) \( emphasis added \) agreeing statement mcconkie , following remark mormon pamphlet mormons think christ , p 6 reads lord elohim , father said unto lord jehovah , son \( brackets original \) mcconkie clearly stated elohim father speaking jehovah son psalm however , one looks hebrew word translated lord , becomes apparent either first lord father else father jehovah either way mcconkie wrong psalm reads lord jehovah said unto lord adon , sit thou right hand , make thine enemies thy \( ps 110 1 \) first lord verse jehovah mormonism says christ , father second lord hebrew word adon \( singular , meaning master lord \) first lord father second lord son , father jehovah son adon however , father jehovah mcconkie claimed , first lord jehovah son , , , adon \? obviously father jehovah psalm , son adon another example involves isa 42 6 mcconkie stated following lord called thee righteousness , isaiah quoted father saying christ , hold thine hand , keep thee , give thee covenant people , light gentiles \( isa 42 6 \) \( promised messiah , p 81 \) \( emphasis added \) mcconkie said father speaking christ passage reads lord jehovah called thee righteousness , hold thine hand , keep thee , give thee covenant people , light gentiles \( isa 42 6 \) according mcconkie , lord refers father , thine thee refer christ however , lord speaking jehovah means either mcconkie wrong speaking else father jehovah another example involves ps 22 7 8 verses mcconkie stated psalm says see laugh scorn shoot lip , shake head , saying , trusted lord would deliver let deliver , seeing delighted \( ps 22 7 8 \) fulfillment , jesus hung cross , found words chief priests , scribes elders , said , saved others cannot save king israel , let come cross , believe trusted god let deliver , said , son god thieves also , crucified , cast teeth \( matt 27 41 44 \) \( promised messiah , pp 530 531 \) \( emphasis added \) ps 22 7 8 reads follows see laugh scorn shoot lip , shake head , saying , trusted lord jehovah would deliver let deliver , seeing delighted mcconkie said verses fulfillment jesus hung cross means person verses christ , , lord trusted \? jehovah father another example involves ps 31 13 ps 41 9 regarding , mcconkie stated following reference plots incident lord 's arrest judicial trials prophecy took counsel together , devised take away life \( ps 31 13 \) role judas conspiracies , psalmist says mine familiar friend , trusted , eat bread , hath lifted heel \( ps 41 9 \) \( promised messiah , p 532 \) apostle mcconkie said psalms refer christ 's arrest judicial trials shall first consider ps 31 ps 41 mcconkie quoted verse 13 ps 31 , verse 14 also included give complete understanding matter heard slander many fear every side took counsel together , devised take away life trusted thee , lord jehovah said , thou art god elohim \( ps 31 13 14 \) mcconkie said verse 13 referred jesus christ verse 14 goes tell \( christ \) trusted lord called god elohim mormonism teaches god jesus elohim father verse 14 , however , reveals elohim man jesus jehovah father ps 41 , mcconkie quoted one verse however , two verses considered examination yea , mine familiar friend , trusted , eat bread , hath lifted heel thou , lord jehovah , merciful unto , raise , may \( ps 41 9 10 \) mcconkie stated verse 9 referred judas' role christ 's death since judas familiar friend lifted heel , mine , , , verse 9 must refer christ notice beginning verse 10 change pronoun thou , refers lord \( jehovah \) refer christ used means christ speaking jehovah father verses another example involves mcconkie 's following remark ps 110 4 one great messianic prophecies , spoken mouth david , says lord hath sworn , repent , thou art priest ever order melchizedek \( ps 110 4 \) \( promised messiah , p 450 \) mcconkie admitted messianic prophecy involving christ question , verse refers christ \? lord jehovah hath sworn , repent , thou art priest ever order melchizedek \( ps 110 4 \) lord , jehovah , refer christ \? mcconkie right jesus jehovah , father , lord would refer christ , , one addressed priest forever order melchizedek \? bible reveals one referred jesus christ \( heb 5 8 10 6 20 7 \) therefore , lord \( jehovah \) ps 110 4 father another example involves isa 53 4 12 verses mcconkie stated sacrifice future messiah , isaiah said lord laid iniquities us pleased lord bruise \( promised messiah , p 234 \) \( emphasis added \) mcconkie rightly said verses refer sacrifice future messiah however , failed mention also prove father jehovah verse 6 reads like sheep gone astray turned every one way lord jehovah hath laid christ iniquity us , verse 10 reads yet pleased lord jehovah bruise christ obviously lord laid christ iniquity us bruised god father called jehovah verses remember , mcconkie stated even believe jehovah supreme deity , christ came mortality begotten son called concept misinformation untrue prove mcconkie misinformed believing untruth , two scriptural references \( 2 sam 7 14 ps 2 7 \) examined mcconkie stated following regarding scriptures midst passage clearly messianic , lord says seed david father , shall son \( 2 sam 7 14 \) second psalm , whole also clearly messianic , occurs statement thou art son day begotten thee \( ps 2 7 \) paul quotes statements hebrews 1 5 says prophecies christ would come son god \( promised messiah , p 143 \) mcconkie cited heb 1 5 show 2 sam 7 14 ps 2 7 refer christ would come son god since mcconkie first referenced 2 sam 7 14 , examination , however , along verse 14 , verses 11 13 also included since time commanded judges people israel , caused thee rest thine enemies also lord jehovah thee make thee house thy days fulfilled , thou shalt sleep thy fathers , set thy seed thee , shall proceed thy , establish kingdom shall build house name , throne kingdom ever father , shall son \( 2 sam 7 11 14 \) verses teach lord \( jehovah \) would son , messiah second example mcconkie cited ps 2 7 examination include verse 8 notice lord \( jehovah \) says , thou art son day begotten thee declare decree lord jehovah hath said unto , thou art son day begotten thee ask , shall give thee heathen thine inheritance , parts earth thy possession mcconkie said verses scripture clearly messianic , acknowledged teach christ would come son god willing acknowledge , however , scriptures also teach father jehovah believe jehovah supreme deity whose son jesus christ , begotten , right belief another example involves mic 5 4 verse mcconkie stated following , truly , lord act mortal ministry ! truly , written shall stand feed strength lord , majesty name lord god shall great unto ends earth \( mic 5 4 \) \( promised messiah , p 182 \) \( emphasis added \) according mcconkie , pronoun beginning mic 5 4 refers christ mortal ministry , , lord god \? mic 5 4 reads christ shall stand feed strength lord jehovah , majesty name lord jehovah god elohim shall great unto ends earth obviously lord jesus christ jehovah father referred jehovah elohim another example involves ps 2 2 isa 61 1 verses mcconkie stated following number messianic passages speak lord , anointed \( ps 2 2 \) , signifying chosen one consecrated set apart ministry mission jesus applied passages quoting isaiah 's prophecy lord hath anointed preach good unto meek \( isa 61 1 \) , saying day scripture fulfilled ears \( luke 4 21 \) \( promised messiah , pp 182 183 \) \( emphasis added \) first source mcconkie quoted ps 2 2 reads follows kings earth set , rulers take counsel together , lord jehovah , anointed mcconkie said anointed one christ true , jehovah \? jehovah always christ , anointed one \? obviously jehovah referring god father anointed indeed referring christ second source mcconkie cited isa 61 1 states spirit lord god jehovah upon lord jehovah hath anointed preach good unto meek hath sent bind , proclaim liberty captives , opening prison bound one anointed preach , bind , proclaim , open jesus christ , , one anointed \? verse says lord \( jehovah \) , face problem jehovah refer father , christ , jesus anointed someone , \? mcconkie pointed , jesus applied passages therefore , jehovah anointed christ god father examples could cited show mcconkie mormon leaders wrong say god father jehovah however , enough expose error , mormonism 's claim jesus jehovah , elohim \? true jesus jehovah following scriptures prove fact thus saith lord jehovah king israel , redeemer lord jehovah hosts first , last beside god \( isa 44 6 \) jesus said first last , dead \( rev 1 17 18 \) saith lord jehovah shall look upon pierced , shall mourn , one son \( zech 12 1 , 10 \) behold , christ cometh clouds every eye shall see , also pierced \( rev 1 7 \) lord jehovah thy god , holy one israel \( isa 43 3 \) ye denied holy one christ \( acts 3 14 \) shall come pass whosoever shall call name lord jehovah shall delivered \( joel 2 32 \) name jesus christ nazareth none name heaven given among men , whereby must saved \( acts 4 10 , 12 \) behold , lord god jehovah come strong hand reward \( isa 40 10 \) behold , christ come quickly reward \( rev 22 12 \) lord jehovah god shall come , saints thee \( zech 14 5 \) coming lord jesus christ saints \( 1 thess 3 13 \) lord jehovah shepherd \( ps 23 1 \) jesus said good shepherd \( john 10 14 \) saith lord god jehovah seek lost \( ezek 34 15 16 \) son man come seek save lost \( luke 19 10 \) lord jehovah thy god , holy one israel , thy saviour \( isa 43 3 \) looking blessed hope , glorious appearing great god saviour jesus christ \( 2 13 see also jer 42 5 rev 1 5 mal 3 6 heb 13 8 1 kin 8 28 , 39 john 2 24 25 isa 25 8 2 tim 1 10 ps 107 24 , 29 matt 8 26 3 12 rev 3 19 \) mormons right say jesus jehovah , wrong say elohim bible reveals jehovah true elohim others false remember , jehovah personal name triune god revealed bible consider biblical quotes show jehovah elohim two separate gods mormons claims let us first note god father christ addressed jehovah elohim holy spirit holy ghost said covenant make days , saith lord , put laws hearts , minds write sins iniquities remember \( heb 10 15 17 \) \( emphasis holy ghost said added \) behold , days come , saith lord jehovah , make new covenant house israel , house judah put law inward parts , write hearts god elohim , shall people forgive iniquity , remember sin \( jer 31 31 , 33 34 \) \( emphasis added \) prophecy came old time man holy men god spake moved holy ghost \( 2 pet 1 21 \) \( emphasis holy ghost added \) spirit lord jehovah spake , word tongue \( 2 sam 23 2 see also heb 3 7 11 ps 95 6 11 \) let us continue biblical quotes show jehovah elohim two separate gods mormons claim lord jehovah saw moses turned aside see , god elohim called unto midst bush , said , moses , moses said , bruce r mcconkie acknowledged christ 's voice spoke moses burning bush promised messiah , p 394 lord jehovah said moses said unto god elohim , behold , come unto children israel , shall say unto , god elohim fathers hath sent unto shall say , name \? shall say unto \? god elohim said unto moses , said , thus shalt thou say unto children israel , hath sent unto god elohim said moreover unto moses , thus shalt thou say unto children israel , lord jehovah god elohim fathers , god elohim abraham , god elohim isaac , god elohim jacob , hath sent unto name ever , memorial unto generations \( exod 3 4 , 7 , 13 15 \) god elohim spake unto moses , said unto , lord jehovah \( exod 6 2 \) lord jehovah , none else , god elohim beside thee , though thou hast known \( isa 45 5 \) lord jehovah true god elohim , living god elohim , everlasting king \( jer 10 10 \) thus saith lord jehovah king israel , redeemer lord jehovah hosts first , last beside god elohim \( isa 44 6 \) therefore cause go captivity beyond damascus , saith lord jehovah , whose name god elohim hosts \( amos 5 27 \) behold , heaven heaven heavens lord 's jehovah 's thy god elohim , earth also , therein \( deut 10 14 \) wherefore thou art great , lord jehovah god elohim none like thee , neither god elohim beside thee , according heard ears \( 2 sam 7 22 \) said unto , hebrew fear lord jehovah , god elohim heaven , hath made sea dry land \( jon 1 9 \) god elohim save lord jehovah \? rock save god elohim \? \( ps 18 31 \) blessed nation whose god elohim lord jehovah \( ps 33 12 see also ps 144 15 \) hast thou known \? hast thou heard , everlasting god elohim , lord jehovah , creator ends earth , , neither weary \? searching understanding \( isa 40 28 \) mighty god elohim , even lord jehovah , hath spoken , called earth rising sun unto going thereof \( ps 50 1 \) sing unto god elohim , sing praises name upon heavens name jah , rejoice \( ps 68 4 \) regarding word jah , bruce r mcconkie stated jah \( hebrew yah \) contracted form jehovah , , yahweh names reference christ , god israel mormon doctrine , p 391 david arose , went people judah , bring thence ark god elohim , whose name called name lord jehovah hosts \( 2 sam 6 2 \) great mighty god elohim , lord jehovah hosts , name \( jer 32 18 \) god elohim , make like wheel stubble wind fill faces shame may seek thy name , lord jehovah men may know thou , whose name alone jehovah , art high earth \( ps 83 13 , 16 , 18 \) bible clearly teaches jehovah elohim fact , elohim true , living , mighty , great , everlasting elohim elohim israel , kingdoms earth , heavens creator made heavens host earth dwell jehovah 's name elohim hosts \( amos 5 27 \) jehovah , elohim , elohim jehovah bible reveals elohim 's name jah \( ps 68 4 \) , jehovah \( ps 83 18 \) , jehovah hosts \( 2 sam 6 2 jer 32 18 \) nation whose elohim jehovah blessed \( ps 33 12 \) clearly , jehovah elohim mormons another mormon error regarding elohim jehovah belief elohim , jehovah , father spirits , including jesus articles faith apostle james e , doctrinal exposition first presidency twelve apostles states god eternal father , ' literal parent spirits human race \( p 466 \) doctrinal exposition also states explicitly jesus christ father spirits taken yet shall take bodies upon earth , one son , sons daughters elohim \( p 473 \) apostle stated elohim name title god eternal father , whose firstborn son spirit jehovah \( jesus christ , p 38 \) apostle bruce r mcconkie stated following matter jehovah christ fact create earth forms plant animal life face thereof came placing man earth , change creators , father became personally involved things created son , using power delegated father , except man spirit flesh , man created father delegation authority creature creation concerned \( promised messiah , p 62 \) \( emphasis added \) mormon leaders claim jehovah christ create either man 's spirit body maintain mormon elohim , father , created man spirit body bible reveals truth created man moses spake unto lord jehovah , saying , let lord jehovah , god elohim spirits flesh , set man congregation \( num 27 15 16 see also 16 20 23 \) \( emphasis added \) lord jehovah , forth heavens , foundation earth , spirit man within \( zech 12 1 \) \( emphasis added \) lord jehovah made us soul \( jer 38 16 \) contend ever , neither always spirit fail , souls made saith lord jehovah \( isa 57 16 , 19 \) \( emphasis souls made added \) behold , lord jehovah , god elohim flesh \( jer 32 27 \) \( emphasis added \) thus saith lord jehovah , thy redeemer , formed thee womb lord jehovah things \( isa 44 24 \) \( emphasis added \) thus saith lord jehovah made earth , created man upon \( isa 45 11 12 \) \( emphasis added \) god elohim created man upon earth unto thee , thou know lord jehovah god elohim none else beside \( deut 4 32 , 35 \) thus saith god el lord jehovah spread forth earth , cometh giveth breath unto people upon , spirit walk therein \( isa 42 5 \) thus saith lord jehovah hosts , god elohim israel made earth , man beast upon ground \( jer 27 4 5 \) \( emphasis added \) bible reveals jehovah elohim spirits flesh flesh , formed spirit man within , made us soul formed us womb indeed create man mormon leaders right say jesus jehovah , wrong say create man right say father one created man , wrong say jehovah although mormon leaders teach jesus create man , mormon scriptures teach bom states following behold , jesus christ father son never showed unto man created , never man believed thou hast behold , body , ye behold , body spirit man created body spirit \( eth 3 14 16 \) \( emphasis added \) taketh upon sins world hath created \( mos 26 23 \) \( emphasis added \) god abraham , god isaac , god jacob god created heavens earth , things behold created adam \( mor 9 11 12 \) \( emphasis added \) c , 93 10 states worlds made christ men made things made , , \( emphasis added \) another error bruce r mcconkie involving jehovah creation belief jehovah many pre mortal spirits helping create included alleged group joseph smith , jr christ aided creation earth many noble great spirit children father evident abraham 's writings unto superior spirits christ said go , space , take materials , make earth may dwell \( 3 22 24 \) michael adam one enoch , noah , abraham , moses , peter , james , john , joseph smith , many noble great ones played part great creative enterprise \( doctrines salvation , vol 1 , pp 74 75 \) \( mormon doctrine , p 169 \) bible reveals truth matter thus saith lord jehovah , thy redeemer , formed thee womb , lord jehovah things forth heavens alone abroad earth \( isa 44 24 \) alone heavens , upon waves sea \( job 9 8 \) jehovah , , created things alleged spirit assisting regarding mormon , apostle mcconkie stated elohim plural word though , also used exalted name title god eternal father , usage supremacy omnipotence , god gods \( mormon doctrine , p 224 \) also stated jesus save father \( promised messiah , p 363 \) bible states one god called gods triune god jehovah lord jehovah great god el , great king gods elohim \( ps 95 3 \) thou , lord jehovah , art high earth thou art exalted far gods elohim \( ps 97 9 \) know lord jehovah greater gods elohim \( exod 18 11 see also ps 135 5 deut 10 17 \) mormon leaders right say jehovah god son elohim god father , verses bible would teaching mormon son father however , mcconkie clearly stated , mormons believe elohim father , jehovah son , god gods jesus except father yet bible teaches jehovah elohim byu dev march 2 , 1982 , bruce r mcconkie made following remark praying jesus another peril involved often begin pray directly christ special friendship feel developed plain sectarian nonsense prayers addressed father , perfect prayer addressed father , name son uttered power holy ghost \( relationship lord , pp 19 20 \) mcconkie states p 335 book promised messiah mormons pray father , son p 306 book mcconkie states christ son jehovah important remember , although mcconkie said prayer offered mormon christ jehovah , bible states repeatedly ot people prayed jehovah , heard prayers , accepted valid requests following small sample vast number times people prayed jehovah distress called upon lord jehovah , cried unto god elohim heard voice temple , cry came , even ears \( ps 18 6 \) lord jehovah said unto , heard thy prayer thy supplication , thou hast made hallowed house , thou hast built , put name ever mine eyes mine heart shall \( 1 kin 9 3 \) said unto jeremiah prophet , let , thee , supplication accepted thee , pray us unto lord jehovah thy god elohim , even remnant \( jer 42 2 \) lord jehovah , thee , let thine ear prayer thy servant , prayer thy servants , desire fear thy name \( 1 11 \) , solomon made end praying prayer supplication unto lord jehovah , arose altar lord jehovah , knees hands spread heaven \( 1 kin 8 54 \) went therefore , shut door upon twain , prayed unto lord jehovah \( 2 kin 4 33 \) go , say , thus saith lord jehovah , god elohim david thy father , heard thy prayer , seen thy tears behold , add unto thy days fifteen years \( isa 38 5 \) acknowledge sin unto thee , mine iniquity hid said , confess transgressions unto lord jehovah thou iniquity sin shall every one godly pray unto thee time thou found \( ps 32 5 6 \) notice ps 32 6 godly pray jehovah according mcconkie mormon leaders , christ one mcconkie said people pray bible reveals one true elohim , name jehovah elohim false idols cause followers commit adultery true elohim idolatry lord jehovah great , greatly praised feared gods elohim gods elohim nations idols lord jehovah made heavens \( ps 96 4 5 \) thou shalt gods elohim \( exod 20 3 \) know lord jehovah greater gods elohim \( exod 18 11 \) shall , thou forget lord jehovah thy god elohim , walk gods elohim , serve , worship , testify day ye shall surely perish \( deut 8 19 \) thou shalt make covenant , gods elohim shall dwell thy land , lest make thee sin thou serve gods elohim , surely snare unto thee \( exod 23 32 33 \) take heed , heart deceived , ye turn aside , serve gods elohim , worship \( deut 11 16 \) ye come among nations , remain among neither make mention name gods elohim , cause swear , neither serve , bow unto \( josh 23 7 \) neither walk gods elohim hurt \( jer 7 6 \) lord jehovah true god elohim , living god elohim \( jer 10 10 \) forsook lord jehovah god elohim fathers , brought land egypt , followed gods elohim , gods elohim people round , unto , provoked lord jehovah anger \( 2 12 \) shall man make gods elohim unto , gods elohim \? therefore , behold , cause know , cause know mine hand might shall know name lord jehovah \( jer 16 20 21 \) seem evil unto serve lord jehovah , choose day ye serve whether gods elohim fathers served side flood , gods elohim , whose land ye dwell house , serve lord jehovah people answered said , god elohim forbid forsake lord jehovah , serve gods elohim \( josh 24 15 16 \) verses teach true , living elohim heaven earth jehovah triune god made heaven earth therein jehovah greater elohim , elohim idols reality behind demonic \( deut 32 17 \) jehovah elohim given explicit warnings guidelines regarding false elohim told people elohim told people left false elohim , elohim would snare , would hurt would perish warned people take heed heart deceived worshiping , serving , swearing , making covenants false elohim jehovah elohim told people would eventually judge false elohim followers despite warnings guidelines , elohim 's covenant people forsook believed worshiped false elohim 's people came contact ju 10 6 states children israel evil sight lord jehovah served , , gods elohim syria , gods elohim , gods elohim moab , gods elohim children , gods elohim philistines , forsook lord jehovah , served examination shown elohim mormonism , like elohim ju 10 6 true jehovah elohim therefore , people leave true elohim mormon elohim evil sight lord jehovah although mcconkie attacked christians belief triune god spirit belief god father jehovah sent son world , beliefs true god triune spirit jehovah send son world redeem mankind obvious examination christians thrash around darkness elohim jehovah one wonders holy writ mcconkie mind stated fact elohim father , jehovah son certainly mean bible teaches father , son , holy spirit one jehovah elohim apparently mean c either , chapter 109 , verses 1 , 4 , 9 10 , 14 , 19 , 22 , 24 , 29 , 34 , 42 , 47 , 56 , 68 , 77 refer father jehovah summary obviously joseph fielding smith 's statement mormons clear perfect understanding nature god \( doctrines salvation , 1 279 \) accurate mormon gods true god mormonism claims , idols cause followers commit adultery god idolatry answer jesus' question , say ye , mormons say jesus someone different jesus revealed bible apostles preached therefore , anyone trusting mormon jesus believing another jesus paul warned bernard p , first seventy , admitted may 1977 issue ensign , mormon publication , mormon jesus different christian jesus stated true many christian churches worship different jesus christ worshipped mormons church jesus christ latter day saints \( p 26 \) people believe mormon jesus committing adultery god idolatry son therefore , father , eternal life apostle bruce r mcconkie rightly stated salvation comes worshiping true god \( promised messiah , p 163 \) mcconkie also rightly stated mere worship god proper scriptural names assure one worshiping true living god , true names deity applied false concepts god \( mormon doctrine , p 270 \) remember apostle stephen l richards admitted joseph smith , jr , gave new conception god godhead \( contributions joseph smith , p 1 \) important people left true triune god revealed bible repent return must forsake sins idolatry adultery committing mormonism bible says forsake thee shall ashamed , depart shall written earth , forsaken lord jehovah , fountain living waters \( jer 17 13 \) shall , thou forget lord jehovah thy god elohim , walk gods elohim , serve , worship , testify day ye shall surely perish \( deut 8 19 \) thou shalt make covenant gods elohim \( exod 23 32 \) put away strange gods elohim among , clean , change garments \( gen 35 2 \) flee idolatry \( 1 cor 10 14 \) necessary christians heed warnings bible , fall sins adultery god idolatry remember , know true god eternal life \( john 17 3 \) gods elohim shall snare unto \( ju 2 3 see also exod 23 32 33 \)
bnr ca \( kerry \) subject cherry help , reply bnr ca organization bnr ottawa lines 19 article mfpirbo00wbli1ispc andrew cmu edu , william k willis ww1a andrew cmu edu writes person rarely even seen cherry n't know anything , n't know whether area \( pittsburgh \) usa deprived broadcasts whether 's canadian thing altogether seriously , \? know coach one time , volume posts , someone surely getting steady diet somehow , question , deal \? secondly , comments read net merely flame bait , people actually take seriously \? gotta tell , see , really sounds like ass let know maybe i'm missing something asked , cherry denies roger maynard denies knowledge usenet \) concede roger best two way poster net today defense good offence \)
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject challenge microsoft supporters originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 13 kenton shaver andrew cmu edu writes lets see ms products n't major bugs \? oh , fifth release bugs generally cleared , even generally , second third major release usually takes care advice , based plenty personal experience , never buy first version anything microsoft includes major version number upgrades previous releases , microsoft c 6 00 always wait least upgrade upgrade 're going buy san francisco like take away fruits nuts , left flakes
uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de \( lars koeller , d0 231 258 , , \) subject xdm configuration reply uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de nntp posting host odie uni bielefeld de organization chaos unlimited lines 40 hello ! want configure x11r5 sytem \( i486 33mhz running bsd like unix \) comming chooser menu different machines \( works \) connect connection works localhost ! 'x indirect machine ' works well ! configuration starting boot time servers specified xservers starting x server boot time x indirect localhost chooser menu appears machines named bye ' chooser broadcast number users machines load displayed correct selecting machine host x server starts nothing happens , time chooser menu appears know xdm bug x11r4 , machines running x11r5 please help lars lars koeller e mail uphya001 odie uni bielefeld de universitaet bielefeld \( germany \) uphya001 dave hrz uni bielefeld de fuer physik d0 231 phone 49 521 106 25 fax 49 521 106 4800 bielefeld 1 telex 932 362
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howland noc2 arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject looking movies w bikes organization nasa science internet project office lines 9 knight riders got one movies 've ever seen curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
bnr ca \( barry walker \) subject jack morris nntp posting host organization bell northern research lines 36 article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes acker get ring \? would say even believe acker got ring wife married blue jays strong offense \? n't tell morris magical ability cause offensive players score runs n't know guys keep bickering morris stats show mediocre pitcher best \( year another case \) , happened win 21 games saw many games last year , pitch good games crap clutch pitcher nonsense , constantly giving go ahead runs 6 8th innings \( clutch innings \) jays would somehow scrape win another major factor 21 wins , cito 'i dont realize gaston would leave morris ever , therefore giving many chances win games \( believe major reason 21 games last year \) barry walker bnr ottawa canada opinions
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( ross winston \) subject personal lw ntr serial hookup \? organization university buffalo lines 8 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu anyone tell procedure hooking personal laserwriter ntr mac \? documentation says done , i'm sure correct switch setting use given non appletalk switch options also , need install new driver chooser knows printer hooked directly \( networked \) \? thanks lot , ross
draper umcc umcc umich edu \( patrick draper \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization umcc , ann arbor , mi lines 30 nntp posting host umcc umcc umich edu article nym ossi com texx ossi com \( texx \) writes oh yeah \? scene navy boot camp di son , awful ! dont ever clean thing \? recruit sir ! di hell ! recruit touch \? di \? recruit cause thats eye god , an' touch happen 40 years ago , happened 2 years ago think americans quite hung sex involved plumbing ! wow certainly convinced americans ar hung sex one example something probably ran mag enough convince patrick draper nation laws , people draper umcc umich edu flames dev koresh university michigan computer club
ra itd umich edu \( jack love \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem organization usr local trn lib organization lines 33 nntp posting host ra itd umich edu article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes issue going presentation one reference probably wo n't resolve issue oppose insistence mosques destroyed even location one reference , spend quote dealing incidence , , nothing issue hand , end quote , almost hand comment two mosques destroyed support claim nature , authors support incident \? identifiable mosques destroyed certainly identifiable , names addresses \( location \) comment one reporter make us wonder happened means proves doubt israeli authorities ordered destruction mosques vicinity wailing wall mean , however , generalize points entire plaza , mosques , cleared make possible jews place worship place holiest many , denied millenia hand , throughout rest jerusalem israel , best knowledge , israeli authorities avoided damage islamic religious sites policies previous regimes destroyed jewish synagogues hate bigotry jack f love opinions expressed mine alone \( unless happen agree \)
ps unizh ch \( \) subject svga hicolor \? organization university zurich , switzerland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 16 johan conroy \( \) \( babel ee ac za \) wrote question svga cards tseng 4000 svga 1mb memory 3x 6 bit far know display , display 640x480 , pixel bit maps card \? least , hardware capable supporting mode know nothing video bios , though , \? silly \( fool proof \) way install windows colors driver display pictures windows cheese , serge p
reimert etdesg trw com \( scott p reimert \) subject windows nt upgrade \? \? \? organization trw inc , redondo beach , ca lines 51 article ceres kingston ac uk ee ceres kingston ac uk \( steve warner \) writes hi thinking upgrading beta version windows nt 486sx 25mhz hard disc someone please give setup running nt operating system likely better windows unix 's steve ee uk ac king ceres 've using windows nt \( tm \) since october release , say march release really big improvement windows nt \( tm \) becomming usable things consider make leap though first \( least \) cannot get full speed dos box mean , cannot \( instance \) run falcon 3 0 intensive program dos box machine 486 33 hd 16mb ram anyone knows get fast dos box \( full screen matter \) , please let know second thing still many drivers around stuff instance , pas 16 demoted running sound blaster \( supported nice \) , n't produced drivers yet disk large enough keep 80mb dos partition , give rest windows nt \( tm \) thing , whenever wanted run windows programs , 'd reboot log windows nt \( tm \) , instead typing win windows nt \( tm \) seem much stable normal windows though 'd good choice resources really least 8mb ram though one last thing , modems work well enough , yet get fax card work , 've never heard anyone else either 's better unix runs killer software box , whereas unix n't guess comes windows nt \( tm \) yet faint heart , 's still beta 's good beta scott reimert reimert etdesg trw com standard disclaimer redondo beach , ca blah blah blah always store beer cool dark place
dyer spdcc com \( steve dyer \) subject antihistamine sleep aid organization p dyer computer consulting , cambridge article 1993apr29 nmt edu houle nmt edu \( paul houle \) writes anyway , looking advice use antihistamines sleep aids , dangers use \( seems safe since used chronically allergies millions \) n't want try bzs , bz addiction seems serious threat , hear , bz sleep quality good , whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems better tried dietary tryptophan loading stuff , also seems lower sleep quality , seem wake around 4 00 kind mental haze 7 00 8 00 also , would interested advice helping problem \( although 've already tried many non solutions \) well , think might want visit doctor familiar sleep disturbances , antihistamines help induce sleep 're used intermittently lose sedative effect 're used nightly basis effects \( drying secretions , relaxing effects smooth muscle \) problematic people , prostate enlargement antihistamines like diphenhydramine \( \) \( \) potent useful occasionally \( \) said less sedative , 8mg seems work well people long half lives compared diphenhydramine , may produce residual feeling next morning steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima , harvard , rayssd , linus , m2c ! spdcc ! dyer
mathematik uni karlsruhe de \( weber \) subject q whats \? organization university karlsruhe , germany lines 16 nntp posting host mathematik uni karlsruhe de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit tried compile old x11r4 motif program newer version motif newer succeed ideas \? cc new main matrix lib verb lib verb tools lib tools lib l tools x11r5 lib lxaw lxmu lxt lx11 lm lxext lxaw lxmu lxt lx11 lm lxext l usr cc sun4 lc ld tools x11r5 lib libxaw sa 5 0 \( \) multiply defined error code 2 make fatal error command failed target thanks , markus weber mathematik uni karlsruhe de sometimes 's nothing feel
news cc umanitoba ca \( derek ward \) subject winnipeg vs vancouver nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 15 david downie \( dave downie commerce ubc ca \) wrote speaking paddock 's \? puts mind , physical presence waking might real mistake n't injury anyways \? perhaps paddock meant say momesso cheap short artist , would make sense wpg '93 ! ccu umanitoba ca computer science u manitoba
rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) subject new encryption algorithm keywords nea nntp posting host ely cl cam ac uk organization u cambridge computer lab , uk lines 24 article 5v5 chinet chi il us , schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) writes unlike cia , nsa prohibition domestic spying read bamford 's puzzle palace senior nsa scientist cambridge one workshops recently \( fact clipper announcement made , n't learn till 'd gone \) said point forbidden law monitor conversations us nationals \( chap precise choice words \) n't expect 'd qualms monitoring domestic us conversation one parties alien however got thinking navajo code imagine , iraqi mission new york \? iraqi foreign ministry baghdad , hussein , us citizen , social security number , indeed , new york mission , mustafa speaking , also us citizen , social security number , report activities satan ross
rw astro princeton edu \( ralph j \) subject gamma ray bursters originator news nimaster nntp posting host astro princeton edu organization princeton university lines 51 feel compelled complain statement recent observations rule merging neutron stars sources gamma ray bursts utterly false , even though popular enough make batse press releases idea behind statement follows smack two neutron stars together , neutron star black hole , lot energy released , enough gamma ray burst cosmological distance , reasoning continues , energy released lot matter , radiation becomes expect see roughly blackbody spectrum observed spectra strongly non thermal , model must wrong often , fault lies imagination person trying prove model wrong rather model may initial energy release seen gamma ray burst , energy matter created may spew relativistic flow surrounding medium , strong flux non thermal gamma rays results , may carry substantial fraction initial total energy idea series papers martin , peter \( sorry missing \) co workers certainly complete model , may well best one around \( summing proposed distance scales \) alternative proposal creates initial fireball , way , called scenario stan , massive star end life collapses black hole stellar core rotating , part matter temporarily halted supported force , form dense neutron torus onto black hole beast may spew jet along rotation axis , constitutes relativistic flow rate events may much higher neutron star , flux may strongly , net rate bursts observed earth stays two scenarios , energy released per event lot less failed supernova scenario another note believe distance scale must ultimately resolved via classical astronomical method finding counterparts bursts wavelengths , finding definitive signature known class objects distribution positions theorists historically finding distance object proving one possible way object work , therefore must ralph
subject heir martillo \( say religion \) uceng uc edu \( \) organization university cincinnati lines 19 article cirrus com chrism cirrus com \( chris metcalfe \) writes article world std com tti world std com \( joachim martillo \) writes fair , traditional jewish christian thinking actually quite similar islamic thinking issues modern civilized westerners strive complete joachim carlo santos martillo ajami heil ! heil ajami ! , prefer heil martillo ! heil santos ! heil carlo ! heil joachim ! would suggest , sounds informal , mein !
edwin subject atheism nntp posting host 47 107 76 97 organization bell northern research lines 1
reiniger ug cs dal ca \( darren reiniger \) subject cbc canadian espn nntp posting host ug cs dal ca organization math , stats cs , dalhousie university , halifax , ns , canada lines 36 article 1993apr24 1 uwovax uwo ca 35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca writes hooray , hear tsn jets game , selanne getting hat trick ! course , country \( read ontario ! \) could n't see game , van wpg series far , beloved cbc figures one cares series \( looked pretty far monday wednesday nights , cbc could shown toronto detroit game , done news , picked winnipeg vancouver n't tonight \? guessed , toronto detroit , news \( end jets game \) , calgary la , 's hockey night canada , ca n't see one two series two canadian teams \? much ask \? paul 35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca 'd like echo sentiments worst coverage ever remember seeing cbc soon game ends , count 30 , time , 've signed air post game interviews , updating late scores , nothin' tsn really putting cbc shame hope later round coverage improves , mean , really wants see cbc news instead hockey 02 , darren darren reiniger reiniger ug cs dal ca arishem ac dal ca centre marine geology , dalhousie university , halifax , n , canada people wonder generation going remind came first place
d91 nada kth se \( johan \) subject copyrights organization royal institute technology , stockholm , sweden lines 10 reply dcr mail ast cam ac uk 's message fri , 7 may 1993 13 05 17 gmt nntp posting host nada kth se always zillion lawyers , get paid well enough , sue brains gosh ! ca n't anyone send another planet \? ! well maybe , would better send apple , microsoft others \( way would get rid terrible products well \) d91 nada kth se drag n drop dead johan
organization central michigan university mark whitten cmuvm csv cmich edu subject pat burns distribution world lines 6 pat burns 'd throw towel wings dominated every aspect game trying mix lines dead end murray many combinations counter prediction wings 5 mark let 's go wings ! ! !
powlesla acs ucalgary ca \( jim powlesland \) subject comp graphics faq nntp posting host acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 8 comp graphics faq , \? jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary ca academic computing services voice \( 403 \) 220 university calgary message \( 403 \) 220 6201 calgary , alberta canada t2n 1n4 fax \( 403 \) 282 9199
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject charming habits armenian barbarism fascism reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 119 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes nice strategy sedar , maybe make many stories happened wwi confuse everybody forgetting armenian ah , poor genocide apologists charming habits armenian barbarism fascism swinging lies enough cover crimes x soviet armenian government chance let kurdish scholars speak source hassan arfa , kurds , \( london , 1968 \) , pp 25 26 russian armies invaded turkey disaster 1914 , columns preceded battalions irregular armenian volunteers , caucasus turkey one commanded certain , blood thirsty armenian volunteers committed kinds excesses , six hundred thousand kurds killed 1915 1916 eastern vilayets turkey sources \( ottoman state , ministry war \) , islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat , \( istanbul , 1918 \) french version documents aux par les armeniens sur la population , \( istanbul , 1919 \) latin script h k turkozu , ed , osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi , \( ankara , 1982 \) addition z basar , ed , ermenilerden gorduklerimiz , \( ankara , 1974 \) , edited author , ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler , \( ankara , 1978 \) askeri tarih belgeleri , vol 32 , 83 \( december 1983 \) , document numbered 1881 askeri tarih belgeleri , vol 31 , 81 \( december 1982 \) , document numbered 1869 capable fighting taken away beginning excuse forced labor road construction , taken direction sarikamis annihilated russian army withdrew , part remaining people destroyed armenian massacres cruelties thrown wells , locked houses burned , killed bayonets swords , places selected butchering spots , bellies torn open , lungs pulled , girls women hanged hair subjected every conceivable abominable act small part people spared abominations far worse cruelty inquisition resembled living dead suffering temporary insanity dire poverty lived frightful experiences subjected including women children , persons discovered far exceed one thousand five hundred erzincan thirty thousand erzurum fields erzincan erzurum , everything people taken away , found situation present time , people subsisting food obtained , impelled starvation , russian left behind occupation area source adventures near east rawlinson , jonathan cape , 30 bedford square , london , 1934 \( first published 1923 \) \( 287 pages \) \( memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) p 184 \( second paragraph \) received definite information horrors committed armenian kars plain , able judge want discipline treatment detached parties , wired tiflis zivin 'in interests humanity armenians left independent command moslem population , , troops without discipline effective control , atrocities constantly committed , justice eventually held morally responsible' p 177 \( third paragraph \) armenian troops , , pillaged destroyed moslem villages plain caravans refugees meanwhile constantly arriving plain , whole moslem population fleeing much personal property could transport , seeking obtain security protection p 178 \( first paragraph \) moslem villages plain searched arms armenians everything taken cloak search , many moslems killed , horrible tortures inflicted endeavour obtain information valuables hidden , armenians aware existence , although unable find p 181 \( first paragraph \) armenians plain attacking kurdish line artillery , probably large force support p 175 \( first paragraph \) arrival british brigade followed announcement kars province allotted supreme council allies armenians , announcement made , british troops completely withdrawn , armenian occupation commenced hence trouble armenians commenced wholesale robbery persecution muslem population pretext necessary forcibly deprive arms portion province lies plains able carry purpose , manner done referred due course serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject new study gay percentage organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 34 article apr 20 20 07 19 1993 romulus rutgers edu kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) writes article 1993apr20 8748 galileo cc rochester edu as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( caifone \) writes belong n't count , sweetheart oh , ca n't anything count , inevitable , part natural order things wrong throughout history , nature always asserted quite true evolution made decided homosexuality place , otherwise would disappeared quite quickly animals exhibit homosexual behavior humans existed , human race gone n't arrogant assume foolish misguided generation change nature man practically every generation failed quite true 2000 years religious idiocy changed nature man tried rid us 2000 years failed join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
hertz elee calpoly edu \( edward \) subject disks copy protected organization cal poly , san luis obispo lines 67 article 1r76sbinnkap flop engr orst edu noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) writes strongly disagree think pirating done amateurs , wo n't copy program diskcopy ca n't hate disagree , \) \( note n't pirate software , trade simply met talked extensively 's fbi tap someone else 's phone \) pirating done people n't use programs pirate cracked program tends get passed , various graphics animations advertise whoever performed modification \( \) admit large portion business world involved copies programs one 's fellow workers , maybe taking home use one 's pc , trading tends spread throughout business whole many times someone walking business business letting people copy disks \? 's mostly matter convenience person sees program want use feel justified making copy since someone 's already paid , etc , etc \( note starting change bit much though \) 're talking 20 max goal pirated copies , bet anything beat diskcopy , ca n't easily copied hard drive , suffice commercially available copy programs \? \? programs like , things diskcopy ca n't \? anyone disputes feel would copy would n't know working people around computers , one comes realize user n't know much computer enthusiast least better pre guessing commands use \( sit use something without reading manual \? \) people , joe windows user ca n't remember arguments dir command hate hard copy manuals , would rather docs online want copy program , usually faster convenient sifting old book ca n't find really \? find evens online stuff read faster , 're stuck reading linear flow start finish , unless jump ahead search book , though , flip faster read text screen usually nifty index ! partially agree often wish could grep something written deeper end everyone think need able make backup copy \? almost new software must installed hard disk , left originals backups think waste time , space , money , well makes tempting lend backups need install \? idea backup still holds original disk goes bad , 're luck 1 2 weeks , usual turn around time company send new set disks 'll without charge edward w hertz elee calpoly edu mein ! walk ! ! doctor
jap cbnews cb att com \( james parker \) subject secret source announcement organization lines 14 article news intercon com amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) writes compuserve columbus , oh corporate headquarters several major insurance companies , largest private r company world \( memorial institute \) , \( defense construction supply center \) , ohio state university \( one three largest us universities \) , \( online college library center \) , 'd amazed , actually n't forget chemical abstracts service \( pretty much international clearinghouse chemical information \) , whose former director \( ronald \) head r \( nick farmer \) openly former nsa employees james parker jap att com
kax cs nott ac uk \( kevin anthoney \) subject christian morality organization nottingham university lines 16 article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love 's difference believing existence entity , loving entity god could show directly exists , 'd still free choice whether love n't \? kevin anthoney kax cs nott ac uk n't believe anything read sig files
qucis queensu ca \( liam john \) subject trivia question organization computing information science , queen 's university kingston lines 29 article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? clint malarchuk dangerous accident could died right ice however , played since n't know think still playing i'm positive sabre time n't know skated though ever happened hockey game \? remember couple seasons malarchuk incident borje salming toronto fell crease someone skated face took lot fix thanks , carol go pens ! liam go toronto \( 'd better start going soon \) !
sbuckley fraser sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) subject religion marriage organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada distribution na lines 37 magnus acs ohio state edu \( paul \) writes n't sure right newsgroup post , guess misc reason goes getting married june devout \( wisconsin synod \) lutheran would classify strong agnostic weak athiest subject many discussions us really real obstacle n't real difficulties religious differences yet , expect pop children agreed raise children nominally lutheran , lutheran traditions , trying keep open mind sure even possible though feel worst quality religous lack open mind point , suppose , open mind means believing anything true ca n't sure know definitely true , i'm happy open minded , however , open mindedness means respectful tolerant towards beliefs , respecting rights intelligence wisdom people beliefs giving equal time alternative ideas , try best open minded passing \) anyway , guess 'll get question anyone situation give suggestions deal \? 've taken attitude far talking lot letting anything get bottled inside sometimes get feeling 're making much bigger actually comments would greatly appreciated also , please e mail responses since n't get chance read group often \( married , cannot say much , perspective mutually exclusive faiths would big enough considering marrying someone making much bigger \? suppose depends serious beliefs lukewarm atheists christians religion nominal importance would feel issue n't big suppose important beliefs , important issue paul
subject 32 bit box gateway grm vax1 mankato msus edu organization mankato state university lines 18 dir article 1993apr16 cv hp com , scott hpcvccl cv hp com \( scott linn \) writes playing around gateway 2000 local bus machine last night , became apparent windows 3 1 n't give option 32 bit access virtual memory using permanent swap file , disk drive local bus interface expected , investigating 32 bit option appears \? thanks help scott linn scott hpcvccl cv hp com
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 23 article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) wrote article edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) writes 're topic books , anyone else noticed paine 's age reason hard find 've wanting pick copy , bad enough mail order 've noticed though none bookstores go seem carry thought supposed classic 's deal \? local used book store second largest west coast , could n't find copy guess atheists hold bibles much esteem theists remember correctly prometheus books one stock , call ask book cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
tquinn heartland bradley edu \( terry quinn \) subject 1994 mustang organization utexas mail news gateway lines 32 reply tquinn heartland bradley edu nntp posting host cs utexas edu beat ford market camaro firebird , really words production vehicles limited end year , keeping selling prices msrp part since many twitching camaro fans drivel received delivery '93 trans 7 weeks ordered \( promised 6 8 weeks \) , paid 400 dealer invoice , discount msrp 370 miles , far problems , seems well put together way , first year production 60 , 000 cars dealers would like think shortage , considering sold 90 , 000 f bodies last year new model introduced mid year , going create shortage gm planning 160 , 000 f bodies next year \( according wsj article \) several people mentioned seeing photo '94 mustang popular mechanics saw photo motor trend january 1993 issue \( \) direct side view although described seriously handsome car broad shoulders , thought looked pretty boring view reminded toyota celica \( ! \) description mechanicals reported pm article terry quinn hills , il tquinn heartland bradley edu compuserve internet tquinn heartland bradley edu
cleveland freenet edu \( evans \) subject time line windows organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 15 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu sale time line windows symantec never opened still wrap 495 00 asking 250 00 send e mail interested jonathan internet cleveland freenet edu jonathan evans wariat org
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject nhl letter roger 's response organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 20 1993apr26 sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) writes gee , coincidence n't share views perhaps 's name list accompany letter ! maybe write disclaimer end mr bettman , roger maynard agree letter ! know 'd worried , otherwise ! would n't put name bottom simply appended standard disclaimer opinions expressed petition way claim represent views either rec sport hockey internet whole surely seen disclaimers appended postings many work companies post net disclaimers , clever though may , reason cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
art cs ualberta ca \( art mulder \) subject comp windows x getting performance x faq summary posting contains list suggestions get best performance x workstation without buying hardware keywords faq speed x nntp posting host spirit riv cs ualberta ca reply art cs ualberta ca \( art mulder \) organization university alberta , edmonton , canada expires sun , 20 jun 1993 23 00 00 gmt lines 676 archive name x faq speedups last modified 1993 4 20 maximize performance x monthly posting compiled art mulder \( art cs ualberta ca \) ram , faster cpu 's , disk space , faster ethernet standard responses hear ask improve performance workstation well , hardware n't always option , wonder hardware always even necessity faq list collection suggestions ideas different people net best possible performance x windows workstation , without purchasing hardware performance highly subjective issue individual user must balance versus order come personal decision therefore document expected contain many subjective opinions amongst objective facts document specifically concerned x course many factors affect performance workstation however , outside scope document people seriously interested whole area system performance , might want look o'reilly nutshell handbook system performance tuning mike imho , contains well written , comprehensive treatment system performance i'm unaware similar books ed table contents 0 introduction administrivia 1 x faq \? 2 window managers 3 x server server \? locking server ram \? starting server fonts resources file define display properly 4 clients better clock x better terminal emulator x tuning client 5 miscellaneous suggestions pretty pictures quicker mouse programming thoughts say ! \? 6 sources information 7 author notes ! changed since last issue new since last issue introduction administrivia document posted month , around 15th , usenet news groups comp windows x , news answers , comp answers reading copy faq months old \( see last modified date \) probably locate latest edition , since information may outdated know get newsgroups site receive article already expired , retrieve faq archive site exist several usenet faq archive sites find access , please see introduction news answers newsgroup posting news answers main faq archive rtfm mit edu 18 172 1 27 document found pub usenet news answers x faq speedups access anonymous ftp , retrieve sending mail message mail server rtfm mit edu command send usenet news answers x faq speedups message body x faq \? david b lewis \( faq craft uunet uu net \) maintains informative well written comp windows x frequently asked questions document focus general x information , faq concentrates performance comp windows x faq address issue speed , regards x server gist topic seems use x11r5 , faster r4 \( please see x faq complete details \) window managers lot window managers , lots different features abilities choice use necessity balancing act performance useful features point , respondents agreed upon twm best candidate speedy window manager couple generic tricks try soup window manger , turning unnecessary things like zooming opaque move also , lay windows tiled manner , reduce amount cpu power spent raising lowering overlapping windows joe english \( joe trystero art com \) 've found good font tiling 7x13 \( aka misc fixed medium r normal 13 100 100 100 c 70 iso8859 1 \) biggest font know use sun \( 1152x900 screen \) still get two 80 column terminal windows side side display overlap font suggestions accepted x server server \? make sure server proper match hardware monochrome monitor , use monochrome x11 server monochrome sun , n't noticed much difference xsun \( colour \) server xsunmono , however pointed xsunmono 800k smaller therefore contribute less paging thanks jonny farringdon \( j farringdon psychol ucl ac uk \) , michael salmon \( michael salmon eos ericsson se \) server compiled also make difference jeff law \( law cs utah edu \) advises us sun system , x compiled gcc \( version 2 \) sun compiler expect get large speedups server using bundled sunos compiler assume similar results would occur used one high quality commercial compilers market locking server ram \? anyone tried hacking x server locked ram get \? eg via call \( \) help performance \? 've one inquiry topic , pointers \( \) function call , hard evidence someone 's tried position give try thanks eric c \( ecc att com \) , danny backx \( db sunbim \) , juan martin \( us es \) starting server joe english \( joe trystero art com \) start lot clients xsession whatever , sleep second two launching one changed xclients script , logging actually took less time heavily loaded system without much core , though sounds crazy , confirmed works ! warner \( imp solbourne com \) provided good explanation works , summarized start x server takes huge amount time start accepting connections lot initialization done server starts process touches large number pages process running time would fight server use cpu , importantly , memory put sleep , give server chance get sorted clients start similarly , also lot initialization whenever x client program starts toolkits registering widgets , resources fetched , programs initializing state databases forth activity typically memory intensive initialization done \( process reached steady state \) , memory usage typically settles using pages using sleeps launching clients xinitrc , avoid fighting workstation 's limited resources definitely mileage may vary situation , many variables considered available ram , local swap space , load average , number users system , clients starting , etc currently xinitrc situation like \( sleep 1 exec xclock \) \( sleep 1 exec xbiff \) \( sleep 1 exec xterm \) \( sleep 1 exec xterm \) 've experimented \( sleep 1 exec xclock \) \( sleep 2 exec xbiff \) \( sleep 3 exec xterm \) \( sleep 4 exec xterm \) 've even tried \( sleep 2 exec start x clients script \) start x clients script \( sleep 1 exec xclock \) \( sleep 1 exec xbiff \) \( sleep 1 exec xterm \) \( sleep 1 exec xterm \) idea last one make sure xinit completely finished processing xinitrc , settled steady state sleep expired clients launched yielded fairly comparable results , stuck current setup , simplicity probably experiment bit find setup suits fonts loading fonts takes time ram minimize number fonts applications use , 'll get speed increases load time one simple strategy choose small number fonts \( one small , one large , one roman , whatever suits \) configure clients least heavily used clients use fonts client programs start quicker font already loaded server also conserve server resources , since fewer fonts loaded server farrell mckay \( fbm oz au \) , joe english \( joe trystero art com \) eg main xterm font 7x13 , also twm set use 7x13 's menus icons etc twm 's default font since n't normally use , 've eliminated one font server oliver jones \( oj roadrunner pictel com \) keep fonts local workstation , rather loading nfs make extensive use r5 scalable fonts , use font server resources file keep xresources xdefaults file small saves ram saves server startup time joe english \( joe trystero art com \) one suggestion xdefaults \( xresources \) file , try putting minimum number resources want available applications example true , separate resources individual client specific resource files example home lib app defaults login file set environment variable xuserfilesearchpath setenv xuserfilesearchpath home lib app defaults n comp windows x frequently asked questions faq contains excellent explanation environment variables work ed , xterm launches , loads resources app defaults xterm xdvi finds app defaults xdvi , forth note clients follow xxxxx resource file naming pattern check system app defaults directory \( often usr x11r5 lib x11 app defaults \) find proper name , name personal resource files name documented xt specification \( pg 125 666 \) thanks kevin \( com \) , michael urban \( urban cobra jpl nasa gov \) , mike long \( mikel ee cornell edu \) kevin willing mail setup files method organizing personal resources following benefits easier maintain usable fewer resources stored x server resource manager property side benefit server may start quicker , since doesn`t load resources applications process resources , never sort resources find ones affect also drawbacks application interested load additional file every time starts n't seem make much performance difference , might consider huge boon modifying application 's resource database , need run application without xrdb xrdb default run xdefaults file cpp resources split multiple resource files loaded individual client programs , watch ! ! c style comments xdefaults file , cpp stripped switched method distributed resource files spent several frustrating days trying figure clients finding resources xt provide error message encountered c style comments resource files , simply , silently , aborted processing resource file loss \( handy , e g `` ifdef \) enough cause people dismiss method resource management may also run clients break rules example , neither emacs \( 18 58 3 \) xvt \( 1 0 \) find resources anywhere xdefaults starting client machine share files machine resources stored , client find resources loading resources server guarantee clients always find resources casey \( casey gauss llnl gov \) possible compromise suggestion \( planning trying \) put resources heavily used clients \( eg xterm \) xdefaults file , use separate resources files method clients seldom use define display properly client programs often executed machine server situation , rather setting display environment variable hostname 0 0 , hostname name workstation , set display variable unix 0 0 0 0 access optimized routines know server machine use shared memory method transferring requests thanks patrick j \( ras amdahl com \) see display names section x \( 1 \) man page explanation properly set display name n't think 's stock mit , \( least \) data general hp libraries smart enough use local communication even display n't set specially rob sartin \( ! sartin uunet uu net \) jody goldberg \( jody com \) sent xlib patch change stock r5 use local communication even display properly set n't want get business distributing trying juggle non mit patches elected include hopefully mit apply minor \( 8 lines \) patch meantime , want try , email jody ed clients megabytes ram think carefully number programs running think also kind programs running example smaller clock program xclock \? unfortunately , n't really noticed programs advertise large , onus us research spread word suggestions better alternatives standard clients \( eg xclock , xterm , xbiff \) welcome ed 've received contradictory advice people , subject x client programs advocate use programs strictly xlib based , since xt , xaw toolkits rather large others warn us applications using may already loaded one shared libraries case , using non xt \( example \) client program may actually increase amount ram consumed upshot seems n't mix toolkits , try use athena clients , xview clients \( motif clients , etc \) use one , 're dragging one toolkit library know environment , think carefully client programs would work best together environment thanks rob sartin \( ! sartin uunet uu net \) , duncan sinclair \( sinclair dcs gla ac uk sinclair uk ac gla dcs \) better clock x 1 \) suggested duncan sinclair \( sinclair dcs gla ac uk \) available export lcs mit edu displays clock title bar another program saves screen real estate 2 \) suggested der mouse \( mouse lightning mcrcim mcgill edu \) available larry mcrcim mcgill edu \( 132 206 1 1 \) x shar non xt based extensively configurable made look much like mit oclock , mostly like xclock purely changing resources course , ultimate clock one consumes resources , takes screen real estate one hangs wall \) better terminal emulator x readme file distributed xterm abandon hope , ye enter undoubtedly ugly program distribution ugly maybe , site 's still used suspect xterm one used clients many , sites laziness \? n't better terminal emulator available \? see must use xterm , try reducing number reduce memory usage oliver jones \( oj roadrunner pictel com \) , jonny farringdon \( j farringdon psychol ucl ac uk \) 1 \) xvt suggested richard hesketh \( rlh2 ukc ac uk \) available export lcs mit edu contrib xvt 1 0 tar z n't need esoteric features xterm , get hold xvt written save swap space xterm rather hog ! written partial xterm n't rename resources , xvt pretends xterm 's current version , cannot bind keys xterm 've heard versions xvt feature , 've found yet update \( march 1993 \) recently email conversations brian warkentin \( brian eng sun com \) regarding xvt questions whether xvt really faster xterm instance , xvt may initialize slightly faster , compare scrolling speed \( try benchmark bin time dd etc termcap bs 40 \) see program scroll faster also , xterm may slightly larger ram requirements \( n't hard numbers , anyone else \? \) shared libraries shared text segments mean xterm 's paging requirements major experiment , ripped tek stuff xterm , made little difference , since never use , never gets brought memory stand conflicting reports validity xvt xterm summary \? caveat emptor , mileage may vary provide hard data , 'd like see specifically much ram occupies , much swap needs , relative speed 2 \) mterm suggested der mouse \( mouse lightning mcrcim mcgill edu \) available larry mcrcim mcgill edu \( 132 206 1 1 \) x mterm src mterm ball wax also terminal emulator major lack , people like anyway tuning client suggestions tune client programs work faster scott barman \( scott asd com \) comes suggestion regarding motif text field widgets noticed data entry motif text field widgets , getting slight lag response keystrokes , particularly initial one field examining going found seems resource non zero focus text field widget \( even text widget \) beam cursor blink every time cursor appears disappears widgets , widget code making request server \( \) user stop setting resource 0 noticeable 40mhz sparc , make little difference slower system specific suggestion probably applied general lots areas consider heavily used clients , minor embellishments turned thereby save server requests \? miscellaneous suggestions pretty pictures n't use large bitmaps \( gif 's , etc \) root window backgrounds complicated root window bitmap , slower server redrawing screen reposition windows \( redraw , etc \) take ram , cpu power work sun sparc i'm conscious performance issues , ca n't comprehend see people 4mb sun 3 60 running root window 'll let someone else figure much ram would occupied full screen root image colour workstation 're anything like , need screen real estate get clients , rarely see root window anyway thanks alex zhao \( cs arizona edu \) reminding one ed quicker mouse using xset , adjust fast pointer moves screen move mouse use xset 3 10 xinitrc file , lets send pointer across screen flick wrist see xset man page ideas information hint sometimes may want slow mouse tracking fine work cover options , placed number different mouse setting commands menu window manager e g \( twm \) menu mouse settings mouse settings f title fast ! xset 7 10 normal \( fast \) ! xset 3 10 system default \( un accelerated \) ! xset default glacial ! xset 0 10 programming thoughts joe english \( joe trystero art com \) speed applications 're developing , tons things stick motif programs , n't set resources individual buttons , labels , lists , et al use whatever resource highest level manager widget , stick fonts possible better yet , n't use motif 's absolute pig n't create destroy widgets fly try reuse \( avoid many problems buggy toolkits , \) use line width 0 gcs servers makes huge difference compress collapse multiple expose events make difference fast application completely unusable one francois \( kiwi ac \) small remark heard using better malloc function would greatly increase performance xt based applications since use malloc heavily suggested trying malloc , n't find time yet tests small programs malloc free , differences indeed noticeable \( somewhat 5 times faster \) confirmation anyone \? ed andre' beck \( andre beck irs inf tu dresden de \) unnecessary noexpose events people use xcopyarea xcopyplane fastest blit routines , forget reset graphics exposures gc used cause noexpose event every blit , , cases , puts load onto connection forces client run 's event loop thousands xchangegc requests gfx context switching also seen x apps , one gcs created heavily changed xt uses definitely better mechanism , caching sharing lot gcs needed parameters remove load subsequent xchangegc requests connection \( moving toward client startup phase \) say ! \? contributors proposed ideas seem right wall first david b lewis \( day dbl osf org , night david craft uunet uu net \) swap displays someone else run programs machine display locally user runs machine onto display goal reduce context switches operation client server i'm situation easily try , received following confirmation michael salmon \( michael salmon eos ericsson se \) regularly run programs machines notice big difference try run machine reduce net usage usually nice reduce impact intrusion helps lot poor little ss1 16 mb , essential 8 mb casey \( casey gauss llnl gov \) x11 server client competing cpu server run machine really major problem , except x11 client server absolute context thrashing timothy h \( uucp \) firstly relies fact cpu 's mostly idle , x 's cpu usage chances teammate something cpu intensive time small get twice cpu memory available action second factor context switches expensive , using 2 cpu 's halves , pay price due overhead going network , offset cases improved buffering network \( typically 20k vs 4k pipe \) , allowing even fewer context switches sources information volume 8 o'reilly 's x window system series , window system administrator 's book x administrator 's read adrian nye \( adrian ora com \) lot tips performance paper improving x application performance chris peterson sharon chang , issue 3 x resource earlier version paper appeared xhibition 1992 conference proceedings paper absolutely essential reading x programmers author notes list currently maintained art mulder \( art cs ualberta ca \) suggestions , corrections , submission inclusion list gladly accepted layout suggestions comments \( spelling 's ! \) also welcome currently listed contributors various comments suggestions want credited , please tell speedup x faq copyright \( c \) 1993 arthur e mulder may copy document whole part long n't try make money , pretend wrote art mulder \( art cs ualberta ca \) conformed world , department computing science transformed renewal university alberta , edmonton , canada mind , romans 12 2
galen med virginia edu \( robert e schmieg \) subject quack quack \( candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction \) organization university virginia lines 48 ken isis cns caltech edu writes n't know first thing yeast infections scientist scientist would take statement convincing empirical evidence support existence systemic yeast syndrome tell anything except absence data question burden proof rests upon claim existence syndrome date , claims unsubstantiated available data hopefully , scientist , would take issue anyone conclusions based upon data present methods even noring fellow oklahoma \( sorry , forgot name \) also suggested one set anecdotal evidence favor based personal experiences namely , people certain conditions given anti fungals , many appear get better gee , many interesting enlightening anecdotes , friends , family , practice medicine expect demand rigorous basing therapy aunt susie 's brother law anecdotal evidence may provide inspiration hypothesis , rarely proves anything positive sense unlike mathematics , boolean logic rarely applies directly medical issues , evidence usually disprove rather modifies current concepts disease , evidence hypothesis example , controlled double blind studies showing anti fungals n't better sugar water let 's hear n't , anecdotal uncontrolled evidence one side , abject disbelief case , please , point yelling back forth longer since neither side convincing evidence either positive negative would characterize rather 'scientific outrage vastly appears main question whether proponents marshall enough anecdotal evidence convincing documented enough manner make good case carrying good controlled double blind study \( else , forget convincing anybody else carry test , carry ! \) also , whether adequately define patient population symptoms study carried provide fair test hypothesis problem approach happening diagnosis bob schmieg
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization university georgia , athens lines 38 article may 13 02 31 26 1993 geneva rutgers edu mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes notice verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows verse prohibiting appears homosexual intercourse absolutely irrelevant incomparable issues gay christians raise \( concern sexual activity within committed , consensual human adult \) , bringing relevant laws cannot address actual issues , bloody dishonest trailing red herring front world relevant homosexual acts acts together law important anyone would want say command homosexuality deals temple prostitution \( think would agree proof \) law reveals character god , holy , , good written new testament , consider commiting homosexuals acts address passage scripture must discuss scriptures involve consensual human adult relationships \? n't sophistry \? point making god ordain certain kinds sex acts everyone brings scriptures trying use emotional argument compares homosexuals child issue dealing sex acts ungodly problem loving , relationship member sex , issue hand sinfulness sex members sex , forbidden sex acts valid topic conversation idea relationships may emotional relationships adult humans red herring agree okay adults caring relationships one another link hudson
mw rrz uni koeln de \( markus \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization reg computing center , university cologne lines 21 distribution world reply mw uni koeln de nntp posting host uni koeln de article pdb059 kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov , pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes two devices isa bus pc share interrupt , 's 're implemented single card interesting would care explain , soundblaster pro card printer card sharing irq 7 successfully \? assure set irq 7 problem computer dtk 286 12 ibm clone paul bartholomew pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov configure devices irq long n't use simultaneously , dos least lpt1 sb sit tell something ca n't configure soundblaster irq7 got ethernet card hits irq thousand times per second markus
paulb harley tti com \( paul blumstein \) subject good reasons wave nntp posting host harley tti com organization black belt motorcyclists association lines 24 article 1993apr21 rd hydro ca jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes article mavenry altcit eskimo com maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) writes waving bikers makes sense hey , 's going , nice meet road , good ride 2 \) keeps habit watching really carefully bikes 're cage good thing anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done 've people cages wave give thumbs occassion \( always return wave thumbs \) never happened started riding harleys , may something try waving \? bad could happen \? russian fun 5 times 6 paul blumstein , paulb harley tti com , dod 36 , abate , ama , hog , doh 2 kd6laa , marc , arrl , platypus 240 , qrp arpci , naswa , lwca , rcma \( cala905 \) transaction technology , inc , santa monica , ca
tedr athena cs uga edu \( ted kalivoda \) subject reason homophobia organization university georgia , athens lines 23 troubled long time needs dealt long article available individual newsgroup scripture homosexuality less homophobic see know gay lesbian people , engaging loving , voluntary erotic relations , n't even mentioned bible , tk frightens \( homophobic sense , intellectually \) , especially written someone homosexual church , interpretation different , homophobic ! ca n't right disagreement interpretation bible rejection homosexual acts tantamount homophobia ted kalivoda \( tedr athena cs uga edu \) university georgia , athens institute higher ed
subject israel 's expansion ii amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply rj3s virginia edu 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 20 27 14 gmt lines 56 rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes comment concerning israeli terrorism 1930 's 1940 's , branch militant groups , fight british get palestine yet fail see israeli form terrorism better terrorism practiced arabs jewish terrorist groups killed innocent british soldiers , also killed many jews favor compromise palestinians irgun killed soldiers , legitimate way drive unwanted regime country n't kill blindly families \( policy , agree brits soldiers also killed sometimes \) killed arabs arabs case remind difference , majority attacks arab terrorist organizations civilians even tried justify attacks saying jews israel served army one point time another therefore legitimate targets addition , massacred entire palestinian village 1948 , contributing exodus frightened palestinians feared lives yes , exceptions tragic mistakes n't n't handy heard description bit carried away , fled several dozens , claimed fighters killed far rule considering dozens arab came israeli rule time period mention i'm anti semitic i'm part jewish self righteousness part israelites pisses i'm critical palestinians indeed screwed jews 's damn shame palestinians pay german european anti semitism mean screwed jews \? began war n't accept planned u n , expect jews \? \? pissed immature , closeminded , self righteous semites arabs also semites amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject universal phones days \? distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 26 article 1993apr27 chpc utexas edu michael chpc utexas edu writes imply german tone dialing compatible american one \? know least british system supposedly close enough though american phone work modem \( american \) special setting british standards ! wrong answer uk tone dialling identical us system different settings modem uses ccitt tones data transmission , rather bell 103 bell 121 tones , used usa canada people use least , largely irrelevant tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) subject clipper considered harmful distribution inet organization bell laboratories lines 34 article wcs rainier att com , wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) writes hand , easily see recording traffic interesting people , dissidents , suspected criminals , foreign telephone calls , anybody noticed using encryption ken , recording encrypted traffic probably judged invasion privacy pretty soon read current wiretap law , would legal hand , assuming legislative change , recording decrypting clipper conversations would probably found constitutional supreme court , using reasoning \( lack thereof \) permit random roadblocks check drunk drivers incidentally , use model , court likely uphold selective recording \( hand , n't think 've thrown courier yet must exception fourth amendment never find copy bill rights \) lot mean lot depend exactly \( , encrypted music \? \) used showed latest risks digest 's possible prevent cops reading traffic warrant expires cops send f holder f holder strips f , sends u k , n escrow agents send either u k cops \( says u , say k \) cops ca n't use u future , ca n't strip f f holder never sees u 's model , escrow agents ca n't read traffic , n't k model , k , message trust think cops fbi \( f holder \) likely collaborate breaking rules net result involving f holder escrow agents every tap , avoid extending permission tap
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject hell organization shell oil lines 38 ofm comments problem jesus use hell threat n't sound like extreme fire brimstone preachers , n't think wants people live abject fear talks lot people found unworthy , mentions hell number times agree might pleasant think n't exist certainly n't agree god sort tortures people forever much afraid really life death spiritual struggle going , possible people lose serious way clh disagreement serious struggle going jesus typically uses consequences threat 's quite different hell classic \( tm \) \) jesus n't sound like usual hell fire type preacher attracts people example jesus preaching parable lazarus dives , parable ! case , point fear based response christ freeing , life choice n't good news meaningful sense plenty good reasons follow jesus nothing fear literal hell , still pertain overcoming present struggle god opposition faith based fear built rock , found faith , ice fear removed , would foundation 's basically matters think many christians solid basis relating living incarnate god cannot fully open working god life response god motivated fear larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \( bill rea \) subject portland earthquake organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 64 bill rea \( cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \) wrote theology clashed theology local prophets deep understanding mosaic covenant awareness international events jeremiah spoke prophesies judgement prophesies deeply loaded theological meaning opinion , portland earthquake prophesy david wilkerson new york burn prophesy bubble compared majestic theological depths jeremiah prophesies perhaps one thing added jeremiah 's prophesies coming destruction jerusalem would understood people time full frontal assault understanding relationship lord today general populace hears prophesies like portland earthquake new york burn ones , unlikely see context relationship \( lack \) lord far likely think result imaginations religious one reason always deep suspicious bald judgement prophesies without explanation reasons judgement n't long winded see relatively modern example look abraham lincoln 's second inaugural speech relevant section type spiritual insight missing prophesies posted excerpt abraham lincoln 's 2nd inaugural speech read bible , pray god invokes aid may seem strange men dare ask god 's assistance bread sweat men 's faces let us judge judged prayers could answered neither answered fully almighty purposes unto world ! must needs come woe man offence cometh shall suppose american slavery one , god , must needs come , continued appointed time , wills remove gives north south , terrible war , woe due offence came , shall discern therein departure divine attribute believers living god always ascribe \? fondly hope pray mighty scourge war may pass away yet , god wills continue , wealth piled bond man 's two hundred fifty years toil shall sunk , every drop blood drawn shall paid another drawn sword , said three thousand years ago , still must said judgments lord , true righteous altogether malice toward none charity right , god gives us see right , let us strive finish work bind nation 's wounds care shall borne battle , widow , may achieve cherish , lasting peace , among , nations bill rea \( \) w u w bill rea , computer services centre , e mail b rea csc canterbury ac nz university canterbury , cctr114 csc canterbury ac nz christchurch , new zealand phone \( 03 \) 642 331 fax \( 03 \) 642 999
efi com \( daniel chung \) subject bitmap bmp format mean \? organization electronics imaging , inc lines 12 el ie \( lando \? \) bitmap oj , kaj iu el fi \( \) , en software development kit , la ne la por \( \) \( ie asked bitmaps , fi responded , saying book int software development kit possibly , development kit \) \( ro \)
zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) subject definition organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host caspian usc edu keywords hi ! everyone , n't clearly understand computer graphics would please give explanation \? btw , 's difference opaque surface \? thanks advance yeh usc
ere umontreal ca \( denis \) subject windows zip unzip organization universite de montreal lines 22 pwb aerg canberra edu au \( paul blackman \) writes article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call ones available one stand amongst rest \? full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? yes russ , windows version n't think handles functions available dos version problem slow think winzip 4 0 still best choice use pkzip windows ! denis , montreal \( ere umontreal ca \)
irwin cmptrc lonestar org \( irwin arnstein \) subject need advice riding someone pillion distribution na organization computrac inc , richardson tx keywords advice , pillion , help ! lines 14 article mjs zen sys uea ac uk mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes i'm riding would far sooner pillion hanging bike , rather , find weight cause move , upset balance bike pillions see hold really good ones n't hang anything unless violent acceleration taking place n't ride sweetheart \? tuba \( irwin \) honk therefore computrac richardson , tx irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod 0826 \( r75 6 \)
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject good jesus died \? organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 143 jasons atlastele com \( jason smith \) writes bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes felt torn began disagree lot bible \( priests \) told start getting little uncomfortable \? style start feeling bit cramped \? yes , 's exactly felt heart felt taught wrong basically good message , framed errors could clear conscience accept women somehow equal men , homosexuals guilty lifestyle , pride one 's work bad thing , jesus died n't want anybody die , especially impersonal act person ca n't possibly even know well enough really know i'm worth dying never able accept bit jesus 's death good thing means i'm comprehending basic message christianity , maybe i'm compatible christianity refuse follow rules blindly , since ca n't even convince god even exists way describe , 've got follow conscience matters know goes knowing could n't n't want live rather rules kept outside , n't think morals shoddy nonexistent n't believe god steal , murder fear divine , n't character may think 's nothing keeping running around murdering , stealing things i'm able , insulting people heck , i'm answerable anyone 'd wrong i'm answerable life like would cheap life happen want earn respect 'till met man , initial break christianity came lot soul searching lot wondering could longer feel god finally decided felt presence felt mighty teddy bear beside little , protecting monsters bed believed god believed teddy bear , something emotional crutch protect perceived dangers since , 've never abandoned possibility maybe supernatural trinity exist times , darkened room bed , set aside everything believe moment called whatever 's , want know truth even means abandoning everything know yet received answer truly listened , body soul , realize could longer honestly keep charade christian higher truth universe , christianity ai n't suggestions \( \) might , \? nope may well unknowable scientists suggested universe may finite wrap around \( three dimensional universe may mapped onto four dimensional way map two dimensional plane onto three dimensional sphere see , sequel , thoughts \) entire universe might electron four dimensional universe , turn may insignificant universe , forth variables become much us even speculate , 's possible way us know exactly came , 's reason believe god exists anything ok , may say , i'm good , good enough \? 's answer feel 're fine , go ahead ignore us foolish little christians present 've seen experienced \( providing witness \) , n't us make seed sprout christians provided nothing except quotes holy book , sorts tactics try get believe guilt trips , i'm without morals , arguments disbelief \( possibly believe god n't exist \? \) , forth i'm asking convince want convinced , 's going easy much n't like 're selling , may someone identify methinks could give us lesson tolerance back years upon years contact religion inside outside , view harmful many ways people want find meaning lives , 's got people , teaches pity \( sometimes intolerant \) others share views maybe 'll say religion n't teach 've got judge christianity christians know feel entirely possible good faith one 's self , positive influence society better reason hope words newsgroup least make people think want christians realize perfectly valid lifestyles opinions nothing deity whatsoever , want people considering christianity realize christianity hold sole key happy , fulfilled life known nice christians done nice things think sets people apart general masses recognize religious beliefs may wrong , know weaknesses religion , yet still decide believe , keep beliefs think less people n't agree obviously , debate veracity reliability source christian 's faith far conclusive , notwithstanding vehemently propose otherwise precisely point 've still given reason christian instead buddhist moslem nice thing religion , lose deeply enough , eventually 'll able feel justified anything want y'know right fortunately everyone around , i'm religious i'm christian moslems n't religious , buddhists n't religious religious , \? brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
ramin nosubdomain nodomain \( ramin \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host organization bnr , inc lines 18 recollection history documentary books different understanding croats allies germany wwii , serbs sided russia result serbs take beating croats \( bosnian moslems \) germany upper hand even today , russians consider call serbs brothers one issues involved u n 's lack active intervention serbs bosnian moslems , heard alliance germany russia recent history therefore , curious able treat parties conflict \( getting today \) past history regards ramin
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization university virginia lines 18 eeb1 kimbark uchicago edu writes article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes jews stranded polish border since country accepted like arabs stranded border trials , hearing , expulsion based guilt due race due race due membership organization publically proclaimed would destroy state expelled furthermore kill large segment citizens state , based race actually 's israeli government claims trials held \( key thing free country like u \)
kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april organization oklahoma state university , computer science , stillwater lines 174 article c5segz mwr dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) article apm hpopdlau pwd hp com , apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) writes path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uknet ! pipex ! uunet ! think com ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! apm apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) article 1993apr19 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes stuff british cult members deleted exactly trying say \? fire engines within mile compound \? gun loonies firing vehicles 50mm range 3000 meters using 50 caliber ammunition 50mm ammo 50mm would shell size would larger lot cannon shells snipers could screened people trying put fire besides , ranch house \( fort apocalypse house despite fbi atf says \) fire gun loonies could n't hardly shooting fire men house flames fbi atf n't excuse fire engines put blaze bastards waited fire well way called fire department waco n't even tell fire department standby sincerely hope fbi , atf , attorney general janet reno , others involved fiasco get punishment deserve someone pay needless , tragic waste human life sadly , evil probably never face justice media government whitewash incident chalk solely david koresh 's fault still , american people probably believe next question problem course laws allow bunch raving nutters collect huge stack arms first place problem problem government becoming tyrannical every day people decide guns live one place together hand , bds posession explosives illegal guns government right search compound , allegations bds posession illegal weapons n't proven yet , i'm going conclude bds broke laws david koresh accused abusing children , crime presence atf ca n't justified atf supposed deal firearms , tobacco , alcohol violations atf agents basically cigarette cops stay kinds law enforcement actions jurisdiction better yet , imo sequence events meant really option attempt sort breakthrough via intervention fbi stomach could mounted commando type raid attempted save children shooting adults sounds like something ss would human life children adults alike treated respect even heavily armed religious wackos david koresh 's lawyer seemed think everyone would come peacefully sooner later fbi atf nothing time hands ! escalate situation cause senseless tragedy \? job protect public save lives kill people crying loud really win situation koresh plenty opportunity give stand trial murder 4 atf officers instead ordered murder children n't sure read newspaper today one cult members said one tanks went wall knocked lantern caused ranch house caught fire cult member also said david koresh intentions committing mass suicide david koresh 's lawyer also confirms therefore , true means fbi atf murdered everyone house ! even true , fbi atf still n't get hook waited damn long time call waco fire department perhaps wanted people die order reject word fbi batf neccessary beleive words man murdered 17 children ordered suicide murder 80 followers according account given batf attempted serve warrant upon koresh ranch met gunfire deliberate attempt murder koresh gun supporter claim batf started shooting simply stand aft gone start shooting would gone heavier grade weaponry standard issue handguns practical purposes unarmed , b followers automatic weapons 're wrong several accounts atf agents adequately armed , ar , shotguns agents armed automatic pistols atf 's initial claim later retracted agents underarmed simply ludicrous b seige could allowed go indefinitely b quite capable commiting mass suicide murdering children time commando assault likely action could achieved objective , would risky , orders harder iranian embassy seige airplanes embassies designed defense attack ranch apocalypse 6 terrorists far easier without casualties 80 allowing siege go option either , besides serious risk koresh would proclaim armageddon moment question difficulties keeping team standby prolonged period longer siege went mentally prepared koresh followers would prolonged siege rather go prematurely mistake probably go soon think better way getting children \? 100 certain way \? people want gun control must obviously discount entire government story simply rationalisation enough simply dismiss government incompetent would require come solution instead come government conspiracy theory whereby government decided set murder 80 people set sort scare alow get gun control legislation gun control n't issue sick little monkeys washington try use waco incident reason ban guns demonstrated f ed concerns much new gun control legislation government seems able get away like waco becoming callous people 's rights law greatly disturb well conspiracy theory assumes batf deliberately got 4 agents killed fbi etc actually enjoy sitting middle texas shot religious nutters still conspiracy theory comforting , allows pretend waco proves nothing except incompetent government resolving hostage crisis govt world ever faced comparable situation , quite probably manner could peacefully resolved blame rest fbi , rests fact koresh allowed get far , particular person tipped b advance murder 4 atf agents 17 children conscience large number people us predict end society preach salvation armed security fact people pose threat society first place next waco may religious nutters political movement splinter group klux klan taking black area example holding several hundred children hostage possible solution situations work prevent arising government world faced situation government allowed high power weaponry become avaliable little hitler would messiah set dictator little empire phill hallam baker scott kennedy , brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel gun atf spokesman atf cheap thug interprets constitution barrel gun
edimg willard atl ga us \( ed pimentel \) subject 2nd rfd open telematic group realtime multimedia online apps organization willard 's house bbs , atlanta , ga 1 \( 404 \) 664 8814 lines 74 rfd request discussion open telematic group otg proposed forming consortium task force promotion naplps jpeg , openly discuss ways , method , procedures , algorythms , applications , implementation , extensions naplps jpeg standards standards facilitate creation real time online applications make use voice , video , , hires graphics , conferencing , distant learning , online order entry , fax , addition would assist better understand sgml , , , mime , , jpeg , mpeg , fractals , sql , cdrom , , kodak photocd , tcl , v fast , eia , best incorporated implemented develop telematic multimedia applications want able support dos , unix , mac , windows , nt , os 2 platforms hope individuals , developers , corporations , universities , r labs would join supporting endeavor would profit group bylaws charter already many corporation decided support otg \( open telematic group \) delay joining developer rfd posted form usenet newsgroup faq soon compose start known subject would like added send email mail address group would publish electronic quarterly naplps jpeg newsletter well hardcopy version urge wants see cmcs hires based applications naplps jpeg g r w , decide join mutually benefit profit endeavor note telematic defined mr james martin marriage voice , video , hi res graphics , fax , , music telephone lines lan would like get involve write img inter multimedia group internet world std com p box ed pimentel gisatl fidonet org atlanta , georgia , us cis , fidonet 1 133 407 bbs 1 404 985 1198 zyxel 14 4k responded trying acknowledge soon possible really org , corp , edu willing get involve would nice upon responded state capacity willing get involve edimg willard atl ga us \( ed pimentel \) gatech ! kd4nc ! ! willard ! edimg emory ! ! willard ! edimg willard 's house bbs , atlanta , ga 1 \( 404 \) 664 8814
tcmay netcom com \( timothy c may \) subject get keys organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 57 \( alt security clipper added , keep informed issue \) david sternlight \( strnlght netcom com \) wrote proposal could modified get court order tap n't charge crime within , say , 90 days , buy new phone charge , found innocent , buy new phone \) yes , buy ticket time machine allow go back use phone new key instead phone whose key obtained \? unclear whether obtaining key time 0 also unlocks messages recorded \( whomever \) earlier times announcement silent betting seems key obtained \( authorities , divorce lawyers , mafia , fbi , lost stolen backup tapes , nsa , etc \) previous conversations unsecure \( session keys negotiated , knowing private key believed many commentators break security doubt details emerge \) , loss key , whether one guilty innocent , may mean lot merely replacing phone sort like saying someone , oh , copied diary 'll buy new one system , made mandatory \( expect \) , make storing conversations much easier , fear one thing , transmission escrow key field acts clear signal anyone listening , kind caller id id grand scale also , phone companies may care much protecting privacy calls , perceive useless encrypted junk \( bit reach , know , suggesting clipper make security lax \) anyway , still lots issues unresolved tim may timothy c may crypto anarchy encryption , digital money , tcmay netcom com anonymous networks , digital pseudonyms , zero 408 688 5409 knowledge , reputations , information markets , w e aptos , ca black markets , collapse governments higher power 2 756839 public key pgp mailsafe available
ulkyvx louisville edu subject herpes question \? organization university louisville lines 11 nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville edu looking clarification subject trying find information hsv 2 \( herpes \) transmitted \? currently know transmitted inflammation , looking transmitted periods also , want know accurately tested showing \? help would greatly appreciate
cleveland freenet edu \( bonita kale \) subject help kidney stones organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 21 reply cleveland freenet edu \( bonita kale \) nntp posting host slc4 ins cwru edu previous article , jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) says told doctor time pain comparable childbirth \( yes , male doctor , i'm sure women disagree \) 'd really like know truth , maybe women baby kidney stone could fill 've three children pain different degree think depends impressed awful kidney stone seemed , saw relative one bet depend , probably worse others pain bonita kale
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization sun microsystems lines 19 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com 's bd side story koresh met agents door weapon remember affidavit indicates koresh spent 200 , 000 assault weapons past year know adjacent house thigh deep million rounds ammunition news statement 200 , 000 worth firearms ammunition \( mention assault weapons \) premises , koresh purchased \( would crime \? \) averages 2000 per person , astronomical number n't know thigh deep pile million rounds know fbi says pile million rounds first 've heard koresh identified door weapon
nyx cs du edu \( dave dennis \) subject adobe type manager good \? \? organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 29 menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) writes subject says bought adobe type manager find completely useless atm fonts could n't install 's use \? supposed able convert atm fonts truetype \? 's anyone program actually finds useful , enlighten ! pete tricks installing atm windows install first dos , run atm control panel get windows best reason atm adobe standard truetype failed ms venture adobe adobe nasty keeping formats proprietary service bureau print shop send way bring truetype document high resolution printing ripping although lots pretty tt fonts floating around , really dot matrix lazer printer however , convert tt fonts similar program atm fonts high end stuff using dot matrix printing , may wasted money ! dave
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject mormon beliefs children born wedlock organization university victoria lines 62 aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) writes bruce webster writes indeed , lds doctrine goes one step cases holds parents responsible children 's sins failed bring properly \( cf c 68 25 28 note passage applies members lds church \) include key verse \( c 68 25 \) others may reference , inasmuch parents children zion , stakes organized , teach understand doctrine repentance , faith christ son living god , baptism gift holy ghost laying hands , eight years old , sin upon heads parents sin parents \? hi bruce reconcile practice ezekiel 18 \? ezekiel 18 20 soul sins one die son share guilt father , father share guilt son righteousness righteous man credited , wickedness wicked charged ezekiel 18 translated correctly eyes perhaps \? ezekiel 18 teaches correct principle however , assumes fathers sons equal knowledge prepare judgment parents responsible teach children gospel life skills fail make sufficient attempt teach children , parent would held responsible children 's sins , teaching properly whenever lord installs someone position authority either family church expects person teach charge ezekiel 33 7 9 someone called care others watchman unto house israel thou speak warn wicked way , man shall die iniquity blood require thine hand nevertheless , thou warn wicked way turn turn way , shall die iniquity thou hast delivered thy soul even though c commandment parents children zion believe parents responsible teaching children whatever good principles understand however , lds parents accept greater could judged strictly idler
subject disks copy protected sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu \( steve madsen \) nntp posting host nextsrv cas muohio edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 65 kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \( kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \) wrote article 1993apr23 miavx1 acs muohio edu sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu \( steve madsen \) writes good idea upgraded motherboard last fall would quite pissed software would forced reinstall simply changed motherboards opinion understandable \) assume tape drive \? us 200 floppies around backup , know actually , n't tape drive event total hard disk failure , reinstall apps originals , restore data backups keep upwards 100mb stuff hard disk , way i'm going try back without tape drive \) would nice one though ! ram something add time , 's like bios manufacturer processor type \( 386 486 etc \) data cannot used , esp new flash rom bios machines updates diskette maybe , maybe today n't happen often \( would hope \) , bios buggy user gets upgrade , bios information going change , least date anyway bios manufacturer still going falsely tag users upgrade motherboard type upgrade n't require hard disk backup restore hand , make less intrusive could disguised please insert original disk xx need file update \) would perfectly reasonable sort long n't done terribly often otherwise think would get annoying user would go looking software silly 's much easier loan disks friend let install backup copy already disk , give scheme n't going stop anyone course easier saying originals allow one install \? point \? course something gets corrupted app needs reinstalled , worst thing want software telling software already registered blank law install machines something similar access windows requires click ok go away pretty non intrusive , gets point across said program certain restriction \( restrict one machine \) program registered manufacturer manufacturer supply proven legitimate user patch disable restriction proudly proclaim legal copy registered xxx screen great idea like key system shareware products use problem difficult big software companies implement without getting cost ineffective burden benefit users steve madsen sjmadsen nextsrv cas muohio edu ask linux , free 386 unix !
jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) subject help kidney stones organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) lines 25 x newsreader tin version 1 1 9 pl6 michael covington \( mcovingt aisun4 ai uga edu \) wrote article srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com \( jeff silva \) writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move little , pain excrutiating told doctor time pain comparable childbirth \( yes , male doctor , i'm sure women disagree \) 'd really like know truth , maybe women baby kidney stone could fill one reason men learn breathing techniques , order able get pain reduction instantly , wherever michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi would pretty difficult practice hee hee 's guts though jeff silva jeffs sr hp com
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 33 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr20 asd com , scott asd com \( scott barman \) writes article 1993apr19 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes article jwt oau org bbs comarow jwt oau org writes dave kingman jewish sez \? sez dave kingman used take yom kippur days coincided season problem , dave kingman always taking , yom kippur , easter , day elvis died \( 8 16 \) , entire spring training month , , 4th july \( games day \) , birthday \( ok , world series , never play \) , memorial day \( games day \) , guys , help 've run fresh holidays coincide baseball season i'm trying catalogue days career dave kingman \( least bat \) went complete religious calendar detailing every holiday every extant religion western hemisphere would appreciated truly certain dave kingman observed every holiday ever conceived \) , course ! scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! ! jason miller doctor guy frank tanana 1 win \? ! \? ! \?
dcs ed ac uk \( neil stevenson \) subject picking cable tv aerial organization department computer science , university edinburgh lines 31 article 1993apr27 mav com , mav com \( todd inch \) writes article 1993apr16 1 wcsub ctstateu edu ritterbus001 wcsub ctstateu edu writes regarding pointing antenna leaky catv cable wow , concept ! anybody want speculate non connection would fit theft cable services laws \? seems unless case specifically written legislation cable company would leg stand upon court well , catv company , us , accountable fcc much transmission cables make fact , 've heard first hand catv company asked inspect wiring home business find source rf leaks 've heard many vans rf detectors keep one eye drive street cable leaky enough usable signal , would guess 're probably violation fcc transmission laws england \( \? \) require permits operate tv ! ! ! supposedly , tv police drove around rf detectors looking whatever produced receiver n't registered i'm guessing purpose something else could get away taxing n't know tv police urban legend actuality tv police still us i'm afraid 1000 pound fine goes unlicensed users \( caught \)
mzimmers netcom com \( michael zimmers \) subject time game organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 22 article 1993apr21 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes reason i'm unhappy length games today summed extra 15 minutes game \( average \) al , extra 11 minutes \( average \) nl , i'm seeing fewer runs score , think seeing pitches strikeouts \( 1 game al , 6 game nl \) , walks \( 2 game yep ks n't denote slow game , either last night , sid fernandez mowing giants hitters \( 14 ks 8 innings \) , yet first 7 1 2 innings game quite also threw 119 pitches , leading believe n't number pitches determines length game , behavior pitches michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 suppliers software developers data 408 996 1974
ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization uc davis lines 14 article world std com vis world std com \( tom r courtney \) writes sense , think folks think idea wonderful , got incensed read carl sagan called idea abomination n't think word means thinks children starving richest country world abomination ad agency worst poor taste also abomination somebody would spend money space advertising children starving \? perhaps redistribution wealth would help dan
mlm mt cs cmu edu \( michael \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips nntp posting host mt cs cmu edu reply mlm nl cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 16 article 1993apr26 eff org mnemonic eff org \( mike godwin \) writes article c614bj bk6 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning cite source , please dorothy denning , cryptography data security , 1982 , addison wesley page 8 , heading cryptosystems must satisfy three general requirements two efficiency ease use michael l carnegie mellon university
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject peace talks resume organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 44 article news service uci edu tim clock writes tc , , agree \( sort \) peace process needed \? tc particular points mentioned article \? tc israel \( supposedly \) going propose good \? go far \? tc far enough \? tc n't agree peace process needed , \? personally think peace process needed , since negotiations future generations able live stability unfortunately think like , cases like anas omran , hamza , jle , mohammed reza , abu abed , anwar mohammed others think jihad solution wish people \( including \) would objective views like tim , basil shai example put rhetoric aside start discussing substance view israel made gestures towards arab foes opposite given us proposed \? palestinians proposed \? palestinians would revoke rewrite charter , condemn acts palestinian violence would good start palestinians gain negotiations seems though strong enough make decisions plagued internal strife , getting anywhere fundamentalism slowly taking territories , late discuss issues palestinians since vow destruction israel arabs must take example egypt egypt came bargaining table , got wanted israel peace cooperation two countries tougher play ball israel tougher israel gets tsiel tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp receive e mail , please let employer may know soon possible , possible opinions , ! two percent zero almost nothing
wam umd edu \( jeff \) subject help ide drive installation problems nntp posting host wam umd edu organization workstations maryland , university maryland , college park lines 15 article 1993apr22 ssc gov qwerty tunisia ssc gov \( kris schludermann \) writes i'm trouble installing second ide drive promise ide caching controller first drive conner works fine second drive conner , currently slave drive problem slave drive recognized reported back free space disabling cache made effect else check \? krispy make drive master drive \? partition format \?
mb cray com \( maynard brandt \) subject twins update 4 22 lines 18 nntp posting host zzzzzz cray com organization cray research inc article 1993apr23 sctc com macomber sctc com \( chuck macomber \) writes twins update posted april 22 , 1993 jim deshaies continues surprise twins , american league well going today 's game , deshaies 3 0 1 74 era deshaies allowed 2 earned runs 6 2 3 innings , meaning era climb slightly deshaies , came mn via trade philadelphia sent david west , continues make andy macphail look like true genius minor correction hartley came west trade deshaies signed free agent \( 1 7m 2 years \) pitched san diego last year regards , maynard brandt cray research , inc
goose \( kevin \) subject 89 honda crx dx nntp software pc tcp nntp keywords great , 45 mpg lines 11 nntp posting host ftp com reply goose organization ftp software , inc , north andover , massachusetts 1989 honda crx dx , white w blue int original owner , 59 , 500 miles , mostly highway recent tune , new battery oil changed every 3000 miles kenwood high power cassette receiver , w 4 6800 best reasonable offer interested , please e mail goose ftp com call 6pm 603 437 ask kevin
eos ncsu edu \( brian lee smith \) subject cyclone tempest price \? originator eos ncsu edu reply eos ncsu edu \( brian lee smith \) organization north carolina state university , project eos lines 18 idea price range cyclone tempest \? \( compared current line computers , new ones fall price \) keeper heh heh stop ! name \? arthur arthur , king keeper quest \? arthur seek holy grail keeper air speed velocity swallow \? arthur mean \? african european swallow \? keeper \? n't know ! ! know much swallows \? arthur well , know things 're king know brian lee smith eos ncsu edu north carolina state university
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uxa cso uiuc edu \( dennis robinson \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 5 486 clock fast 040 clock speed '040 also much better floating point unit dx2 66 faster '040 33mhz reference 486 33 mhz gets '040 33mhz gets
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject help ! installing second ide drive organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 63 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 bill willis \( willisw willisw eng clemson edu \) wrote article iv darwin sura net wbarnes sura net \( bill barnes \) writes recently cousin got second internal ide drive \( seagate 210mb , look model number 's important \) 've trying help install 've got vested interest , since machine 's busted use get mine fixed already seagate 85mb ide hd \( , forget model number find \) anyway , ca n't seem get bloody thing 've managed get one drive \( disconnected \) , time whenever try , thing hangs bootup never gets past system test ide controller 's instruction sheet says supports two drives think 've configured cmos correctly power 's plugged properly even learned master slave relationship two hds supposed \( n't know pcs ! 8 \) think configured jumpers properly \( 85mb one master , new 210mb one slave \) deleted many , many thanks advance ! practically emergency \( two papers thing monday ! \) ! help ! william barnes suranet operations wbarnes sura net \( 301 \) 982 4600 voice \( 301 \) 982 4605 fax disclaimer n't speak suranet n't speak 've told local computer guru ca n't unless perform low level format existing hard drive set system two hard drives beginning took word , tried find , i'm going back everything add another hdd anyone knows sure scoop , would like know also thanks advance also bill willis 1 low level format ide drive unless executable supplied manufacturer available bbs 's mail mail version costs nominal fee 2 addition master slave jumper ide drive also another jumper indicate whether slave present get right ! 3 cabling issue long pin 1 goes pin 1 goes pin 1 twisting swapping ide cable sure pin 1 three components make assumptions \( guesses ok assumptions bad \) 4 cable jumpers correct , cmos setup correct , may fdisk followed high level format never personally found necesary , perhaps something gone wrong data disks \? probably understand probably throw salt shoulders , wear funny clothes sounding chant dancing around room someone said might help good luck gordon lang
tim nagy andrew cmu edu subject mgb questions organization 's office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 29 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu wheels n't chromed , painted silver grey accelerating stop n't light weight car n't pull make reach snaps , pulled couple top replacing usually n't work let sit th e sun , open car couple hours , try , gently ! ! ! ! continually blew 4 connecting rod bearing , sure much oil n't expect much smooth ride lever arm shocks hold road , bladder ultra expensive supposedly rebuilt j c whitney sell shock replacement kit uses standard shocks brake clutch master cylinder , addition clutch slave work made world changes sure carb original type replacement 1970 dual oil side draft carbs ask clutch ever replaced replace engine tranny pulled unit need , mine school lots maintenance use every day
subject imagewriter ii problem ! bliss b cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 5 urgent help needed daughter se 30 imagewriter ii worked well yesterday tries print ii printing message comes , printing ! bought new cable , still printing moved cable modem port , still printing ! i'm dos person n't know begin diagnostics mac \?
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject uva organization university virginia lines 27 ab4z virginia edu writes things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools study importantly learn lot overall uva drug use actually lower average college u hate law books even though \( forces pc \) tried one last year \( way similar law university wisconsin \? found unconstitutional last year \) law relationship professors students passed thomas jefferson sole author virginia statute religious freedom \( basis first ten amendments \) , though given full credit righting bill rights someone picked right way , 're man everything sports academics partying i'm sure lot schools good well , n't start mailing junk i'm happy maybe 'll go one medical schools couple years oh god spelling suck guess need sleep said righting \( instead writing \) 's chance thank god caught everyone started picking hope n't cause mr jefferson much shame
cs sunysb edu \( caleb \) subject long distance ir detection organization suny stony brook computer science dept lines 17 distribution na nntp posting host ic sunysb edu reply jvannes vms macc wisc edu 's message 22 apr 93 00 56 17 article 1993apr22 macc wisc edu jvannes vms macc wisc edu writes would also interested application work dance technology program , want build something track dancers 30 foot wide stage 50 feet away could make interesting light sound could controlled directly position dancer stage , number dancers stage neat could even build spotlight follows dancer around stage ! tell us 're \? sounds like cool program caleb ic sunysb edu
abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 38 article gap caltech edu , palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) writes may want put hubble back payload bay reboost , n't want clip panels time artist renderings 've seen hst reboost still arrays fully extended , cradle holding hst 30 degree angle shuttle think rendering conceived array approved , i'm sure current reboost occur arrays deployed however , n't appear array retraction necessary reboost gamma ray observatory , one design requirements stored energy \( springs , explosive , gas shocks , etc \) used deployment partially everything could back put back payload bay , partially safety considerations \( 've heard wings cruise missile would cut half standing opened \) thanks input gro 's design constraints would explain similar design uars back shuttle would going every day cost orbit 3 95 per pound \) , everybody designed things easy servicing heck , project used design missions servicing mind xte spacecraft originally designed orbit replacement instrument module way , get two instruments price one spacecraft bus \( explorer platform \) second orbit replacement also considered , fuse telescope david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov david w gsfc
jon c r bennett jb7m andrew cmu edu subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization robotics institute , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 14 distribution inet ifd netcom com nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply ifd netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business clipper chip person association ever needed phones jon
jtchern ocf berkeley edu \( joseph hernandez \) subject mlb standings scores fri , apr 23rd , 1993 organization jtc enterprises sports division \( major league baseball dept \) lines 72 distribution world nntp posting host monsoon ether berkeley edu keywords mlb , 04 23 mlb standings scores friday , april 23rd , 1993 \( including yesterday 's games \) national west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 10 06 625 7 3 1 05 02 05 04 houston astros 08 06 571 1 0 7 3 1 02 04 06 02 atlanta braves 09 08 529 1 5 4 6 lost 1 04 03 05 05 san diego padres 06 08 429 3 0 5 5 1 03 04 03 04 los angeles dodgers 06 10 375 4 0 3 7 lost 3 03 03 03 07 colorado rockies 05 09 357 4 0 3 7 lost 1 03 03 02 06 cincinnati reds 05 10 333 4 5 4 6 lost 1 02 04 03 06 national east philadelphia phillies 10 04 714 7 3 lost 1 06 02 04 02 montreal expos 09 06 600 1 5 7 3 4 06 03 03 03 st louis cardinals 09 06 600 1 5 6 4 1 06 03 03 03 pittsburgh pirates 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 1 04 04 04 03 chicago cubs 07 07 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 04 04 03 03 new york mets 07 07 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 03 05 04 02 florida marlins 05 10 333 5 5 3 7 1 03 06 02 04 american west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road california angels 09 04 692 7 3 3 06 02 03 02 texas rangers 08 05 615 1 0 5 5 lost 2 04 02 04 03 minnesota twins 08 06 571 1 5 6 4 1 05 04 03 02 chicago white sox 07 07 500 2 5 5 5 2 02 03 05 04 seattle mariners 07 08 467 3 0 4 6 2 05 03 02 05 oakland athletics 05 08 385 4 0 3 7 lost 2 05 04 00 04 kansas city royals 05 10 333 5 0 5 5 lost 1 03 06 02 04 american east boston red sox 11 05 688 7 3 lost 2 06 01 05 04 detroit tigers 09 05 643 1 0 8 2 2 07 01 02 04 new york yankees 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 2 03 03 05 04 toronto blue jays 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 1 04 02 04 05 milwaukee brewers 05 07 417 4 0 4 6 lost 1 02 02 03 05 cleveland indians 05 11 313 6 0 2 8 lost 4 04 03 01 08 baltimore orioles 04 09 308 5 5 4 6 lost 2 02 05 02 04 yesterday's scores \( idle teams listed alphabetical order \) national league american league san diego padres 2 boston red sox 0 philadelphia phillies 1 seattle mariners 7 los angeles dodgers 1 chicago white sox 3 montreal expos 3 baltimore orioles 2 cincinnati reds 4 milwaukee brewers 4 pittsburgh pirates 5 minnesota twins 5 atlanta braves 3 toronto blue jays 6 florida marlins 4 kansas city royals 3 colorado rockies 2 cleveland indians 0 st louis cardinals 5 california angels 8 san francisco giants 13 new york yankees 5 new york mets 4 oakland athletics 1 chicago cubs idle detroit tigers idle houston astros idle texas rangers idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
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psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 25 apr 93 god 's promise psalm 56 4 organization university buffalo lines 9 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu god , whose word praise , god trust afraid mortal man \? psalm 56 4 \( niv \)
swkirch sun6850 nrl navy mil \( steve kirchoefer \) subject result misc health diabetes passes 155 14 organization naval research laboratory \( electronics science technology division \) lines 221 nntp posting host rodan uu net voting creation newsgroup misc health diabetes ended 23 59 gmt 29 apr 93 time , total response received consisted 155 votes newsgroup creation 14 votes newsgroup creation guidelines usenet group creation , response constitutes passing vote delay allow time net respond result , newsgroup misc health diabetes created please check vote acknowledgement list sure vote received properly credited inconsistencies errors reported swkirch sun6850 nrl navy mil email want thank everyone participated discussion vote newsgroup proposal following voting summary votes received newsgroup creation cline usceast cs scarolina edu ernest cline coleman twin com mike coleman gi alaska edu eric j olson shiva njit edu elliotte rusty harold emcguire intellection com ed mcguire ohsu edu mosaic uncc edu herbert petro gandalf rutgers edu joyce morris julian bongo tele com julian cs uiuc edu rob lau ai sri com stephen lau g kosmos wcc govt nz gerry owens cc buffalo edu bill owens rick crick ssctr bcm tmc edu richard h miller votes received newsgroup creation vms csd mu edu bill loki cc pdx edu jim williams freenet carleton ca colin ad cat de axel dunkel mty itesm mx jesus pe andrea unity ncsu edu badlands nodak edu ramakrishna reddy apps kodak com robert w apps mik uky edu r gov ca dave bain morris hac com morris juliet caltech edu bryan lonexa admin rl af mil norman p bernstein ucd ie brian gaines sim es com bob bjorn b larsen delab sintef bjorn b larsen sad hp com bob uni muenster de dirk bruce liverpool ac uk bruce stephens binkley cs mcgill ca brian spencer lonexa admin rl af mil compass da com ! 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chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 19 nntp posting host apple com spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) writes may may back next year , either event sharks pick others wo n't back 's rumors officially released right end season contract expired , n't seen confirmation clear talks sharks doctors n't going make , sharks would sign contract , given problems competing ihl level spring , n't make sense chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov \( john grieggs \) subject \( \) comp graphics frequently asked questions \( faq \) originator grieggs nntp posting host reply grieggs grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov organization jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , ca expires mon , 10 may 1993 16 05 30 gmt lines 956 archive name graphics faq message automatically posted week effort cut repetitive junk comp graphics last changed answers frequently asked questions would like included posting , please send mail n't want see posting every week , please add subject line kill file thank copy faq couple weeks old , may want seek recent version latest version faq always available archive site pit manager mit edu \( alias rtfm mit edu \) pub usenet news answers graphics faq john john grieggs grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov johng portal com last update sorry n't posted couple weeks , called town due death family reality , folks 's new \? siggraph online bibliography project \( spencer ohio state edu \) grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov contents 1 \) general references graphics questions 2 \) drawing three dimensional objects two dimensional screen 3 \) quantizing 24 bit images 8 bits 4 \) converting color grayscale 5 \) quantizing grayscale black white 6 \) rotating raster image arbitrary angle 7 \) free image manipulation software 8 \) format documents tiff , iff , , nff , , fits , etc 9 \) converting vector formats 10 \) get pixar films 11 \) draw circle bezier \( b spline \) curve \? 12 \) order standards documents 13 \) ftp email 14 \) tell whether point within planar polygon 15 \) sphere 16 \) specific references ray tracing global illumination 17 \) siggraph information online 18 \) siggraph panels proceedings available 19 \) graphics mailing lists 20 \) specific references file formats 21 \) gif \? 22 \) morphing \? 23 \) ray trace height fields 24 \) find area 3d polygon 25 \) join acm siggraph 26 \) find mri ct scan volume data \? 27 \) specific references spatial data structures including 28 \) get program plot xy \( z \) data f \( x \) data \? 29 \) specific references pex phigs 30 \) siggraph online bibliography project 1 \) general references graphics questions computer graphics principles practice \( 2nd ed \) , j foley , van dam , k feiner , j f hughes , addison wesley 1990 , isbn 0 201 7 procedural elements computer graphics , david f rogers , mcgraw hill 1985 , isbn 0 07 5 mathematical elements computer graphics 2nd ed , david f rogers j alan adams , mcgraw hill 1990 , isbn 0 07 2 three dimensional computer graphics , alan watt , addison wesley 1990 , isbn 0 201 0 introduction ray tracing , andrew glassner \( ed \) , academic press 1989 , isbn 0 12 4 graphics gems , andrew glassner \( ed \) , academic press 1990 , isbn 0 12 5 graphics gems ii , james \( ed \) , academic press 1991 , isbn 0 12 0 graphics gems iii , david kirk \( ed \) , academic press 1992 , isbn 0 12 0 \( ibm disk \) 0 12 9 \( mac disk \) digital image warping , george , ieee computer society press monograph 1990 , isbn 0 8186 7 digital image processing \( 2nd ed \) , rafael c gonzalez , paul , addison wesley 1987 , isbn 0 201 1 programmer 's geometry , adrian , john , 1983 , isbn 0 408 0 automatic mail handler brown university allows users computer graphics principles practice , foley , van dam , feiner , hughes , obtain text errata information distribution software packages described book also , users send authors feedback , report text errors software bugs , make suggestions , submit exercises receive information describing use mail handler , simply mail cs brown edu put word help subject line use subject line software distribution receive information specifically concerning software packages srgp sphigs errata introduction ray tracing available wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics books errata errata digital image warping directory digital image warping errata c code graphics gems series available via anonymous ftp princeton edu look directory pub graphics various volumes \( gems , , \) , get readme file first errata graphics gems graphics gems ii available wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics books list computer graphics , computational geometry image processing journals available juhana kouhia , jk87377 cs tut fi 2 \) drawing three dimensional objects two dimensional screen simple answer , divide depth verbose explanation , see references , starting foley van dam feiner hughes computer graphics book certainly good start chapter 6 viewing 3d , read chapter 15 , visible surface determination information go chapter 16 shading , chapter 19 clipping , branch 3 \) quantizing 24 bit images 8 bits find copy color image quantization frame buffer display paul , siggraph '82 proceedings , page 297 algorithms , one works well fairly simple implementations included raster toolkits \( see item 7 \) variant method described graphics gems , p 287 293 note code graphics gems series available ftp site , described check john bradley 's diversity algorithm , incorporated xv package described back manual imagemagick package \( see section 7 \) contains another quantizing algorithm presented better job algorithms , slower 's also implementation wan , wong , , algorithm multidimensional data clustering , transactions mathematical software , vol 14 2 \( june , 1988 \) , pp 153 162 princeton edu pub graphics shar code , modified form , appears utah raster toolkit well 4 \) converting color grayscale ntsc formula luminosity 299 red 587 green 114 blue 5 \) quantizing grayscale black white reference need stuff digital , robert , mit press 1987 , isbn 0 262 6 go start coding , check image manipulation software mentioned item 7 packages mentioned form gray b w conversion 6 \) rotating raster image arbitrary angle obvious wrong method loop pixels source image , transform coordinate , copy pixel destination wrong leaves holes destination instead , loop pixels destination image , apply reverse transformation coordinates , copy pixel source method quite general , used one one 2 mapping , rotation add anti aliasing sub pixel sampling however , much faster method , included , involves three shear operations method originally created im raster toolkit \( see \) implementation also present pbmplus reference fast algorithm raster rotation , alan \( waterloo edu \) graphics interface '86 \( vancouver \) article im toolkit appears journal updated version rotation paper appears graphics gems \( see section 1 \) original title 7 \) free image manipulation software number toolkits converting one image format another , simple image manipulations size scaling , plus mentioned 24 8 , color gray , gray b w conversions pointers xv john bradley x based image display , manipulation , format conversion package xv displays many image formats permits editing gif files , among others program updated 5 92 see file contrib xv 2 21 tar z export lcs mit edu pbmplus , jef poskanzer comprehensive format conversion image manipulation package latest version always available via anonymous ftp ftp ee lbl gov pbmplus tar z , wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics packages pbmplus pbmplus tar z , export lcs mit edu contrib pbmplus tar z im raster toolkit , alan \( uwaterloo ca \) provides portable efficient format related toolkit format versatile supporting pixels arbitrary channels , components , bit allowing compression machine byte order independence kit contains 50 tools extensive support image manipulation , digital format conversion previously distributed tape c university waterloo , ftp version appear someday utah rle toolkit conversion manipulation package , similar pbmplus available via ftp cs utah edu pub urt , princeton edu pub graphics urt , freebie engin umich edu pub urt fuzzy pixmap manipulation , michael mlm nl cs cmu edu conversion manipulation package , similar pbmplus version 1 0 available via ftp nl cs cmu edu usr mlm ftp fbm tar z , ftp uu net pub fbm tar z , ucsd edu graphics fbm tar z img software set , paul raveling raveling venera isi edu reads writes image format , displays x11 screen , image manipulations version 1 3 available via ftp export lcs mit edu contrib img 1 3 tar z , venera isi edu pub img 1 3 tar z along large collection color images xim , x image manipulator , philip r thompson essential interactive image manipulations uses x11r4 osf motif toolkit interface supports images 1 , 8 , 24 32 bit formats reads writes converts gif , xwd , xbm , tiff , rle , xim , formats writes level 2 postscript utilities image application library included paint package available via ftp gis mit edu xloadimage , jim frost std com reads images various formats displays x11 screen available via ftp export lcs mit edu contrib xloadimage , nearest comp sources x archive xli , gill , updated xloadimage numerous improvements speed number formats supported available places xloadimage \( contrib tape , comp sources x archives \) tiff software , sam leffler sam berkeley edu nice portable library reading writing tiff files , plus tools manipulating reading formats available via ftp ucbvax berkeley edu pub tiff tar z ftp uu net graphics tiff tar z xtiff , x11 tool viewing tiff file written handle many different kinds tiff files possible remaining simple , portable efficient xtiff illustrates common problems building pixmaps using different visual classes distributed part sam leffler 's libtiff package also available export lcs mit edu , ftp uu net comp sources x xtiff 2 0 announced 4 91 includes xlib xt versions alv , sun specific image toolkit version 2 0 6 posted comp sources sun also available via email alv users request cs ac uk , image manipulation language version 2 1 posted comp sources misc imagemagick , x11 package display interactive manipulation images includes tools image conversion , annotation , compositing , animation , creating imagemagick read write many popular image formats available via ftp export lcs mit edu contrib imagemagick tar z khoros , huge \( 100 meg \) graphical development environment based x11r4 khoros components include visual programming language , code generators extending visual language adding new application packages system , interactive user interface editor , interactive image display package , extensive library image signal processing routines , 2d 3d plotting packages available via ftp pprg eece unm edu pub khoros laboimage , sunview based image processing analysis package includes 200 image manipulation , processing measurement routines , line help , plus tools image editor , color table editor several biomedical utilities available via anonymous ftp ads com pub vision list archive shareware laboimage 3 1 tar z san diego supercomputer center image tools , software tools reading , writing , manipulating raster images binaries machines available via anonymous ftp sdsc edu independent jpeg group written package reading writing jpeg files ftp ftp uu net graphics jpeg jpegsrc v \? tar z n't forget set binary mode ftp tar files milnet folks still n't name servers , ip addresses ads com 128 229 30 16 cs utah edu 128 110 4 21 coral cs edu au 137 219 17 4 export lcs mit edu 18 24 0 12 freebie engin umich edu 141 212 103 21 ftp ee lbl gov 128 3 112 20 ftp uu net 137 39 1 9 192 48 96 9 gis mit edu 18 80 1 118 gondwana ecr mu oz au 128 250 70 62 karazm math uh edu 129 7 7 6 marsh cs curtin edu au 134 7 1 1 nic funet fir 128 214 6 100 ftp ncsa uiuc edu 141 142 20 50 nl cs cmu edu 128 2 222 56 pit manager mit edu 18 172 1 27 pprg eece unm edu 129 24 24 10 princeton edu 128 112 128 1 sdsc edu 132 249 20 22 ucbvax berkeley edu 128 32 133 1 venera isi edu 128 9 0 32 weedeater math yale edu 128 36 23 17 wuarchive wustl edu 128 252 135 4 zamenhof cs rice edu 128 42 1 75 please post mail messages saying ca n't ftp , could someone mail \? number automated mail servers send things like response message see item 13 details also , newsgroup alt graphics specifically discussion software like may find useful information 8 \) format documents tiff , iff , , nff , , fits , etc almost certainly n't need read item 7 free image manipulation software get one packages look chances excellent image converter going write already still want one format documents , many files available anonymous ftp zamenhof cs rice edu directory pub graphics formats files collected net believed correct archive includes pixel formats , two three dimensional object formats future archive uncertain moment , mark hall foo cs rice edu apparently longer maintaining second graphics file format archive actively maintained koziol \( koziol ncsa uiuc edu \) latest version exists ftp ncsa uiuc edu misc file formats graphics formats apparently , neither complete , might want check fits stands flexible image transport system 's file format often used astronomy despite name , contain images things well regular monthly fits basics information posting sci astro fits read want know 9 \) converting vector formats lot people ask converting hpgl postscript , macdraw cgm , whatever important understand different problem image format conversions item 7 converting one image format another fairly easy problem , since get past file header junk , pixel pixel basic objects image formats vector formats basic objects circles , ellipses , drop shadowed pattern filled round rectangles , etc vary one format another except extremely restricted cases , simply possible one one conversion vector formats software converting cgm files ftp psc edu contributor states runs unix , ms windows , possibly mac better , specific blurb would welcome hand , quite possible close approximation , rendering image one format using primitives another far know , one put together general toolkit converters , two different hpgl postscript converters posted comp sources misc check index nearest archive site related frequent question convert vector format bitmapped image postscript sun raster format , hpgl x11 bitmap example , commercial postscript clones pc 's allow render disk file well printer also , postscript interpreters next box sun 's x11 news used render file 're clever general , answer however , someone put together vector vector conversion toolkit , adding vector raster converter would trivial gnu ghostscript \( fsf current version 2 5 2 \) includes drivers ppm gif format files , thus used postscript ppm postscript gif filter \( implements essentially postscript level 1 alot display postscript level 2 \) 10 \) get pixar films various john pixar computer animated shorts available video tape order direct cinema limited film individual price institutional price luxo , jr 14 95 50 00 red 's dream 19 95 75 00 tin toy 24 95 75 00 24 95 75 00 luxo , jr red 's dream tin toy 39 95 100 00 tapes 1 2 vhs ntsc add 10 tape pal format also available tin toy shirt 15 00 3d shirt 15 00 \( includes glasses \) individual orders , add 5 h first tape shirt , 2 additional tape shirt institutional orders , add 5 h first tape , 3 additional tape foreign shipping , add 3 tape shirt call 800 525 0000 \( 213 396 international , 213 396 fax \) charge credit card call first verify prices availability , write direct cinema limited 1749 14th street santa monica , ca allan say siggraph selling tape four shorts 25 sale price get slightly normally \( 35 maybe \) believe 's available renderman retail \( pixar 's address \) pixar 1001 west cutting blvd richmond , ca \( 510 \) 236 4000 \( 510 \) 236 \( fax \) obtain video directly pixar contains luxo , jr , red 's dream , tin toy 25 00 , plus 2 50 shipping take order phone via fax major credit card ordered mine last week received several days later n't expect able rent copy local video store according license agreement printed back cover case , cannot rented 11 \) draw circle bezier \( b spline \) curve \? short answer , ca n't unless use rational spline approximate circle approximation may look acceptable , sensitive scale scale error approximation deviations circularity visible small become glaring large want job right , consult article rational b spline circles leslie wayne ieee computer graphics applications , volume 9 , number 9 , september , 1989 , pages 48 56 rough , non rational approximations , consult book computational geometry design manufacture j pratt , ellis publishers , halsted press , john wiley 1980 best known non rational approximations , consult article good approximation circles curvature continuous bezier curves tor , , tom , knut computer aided geometric design , volume 7 , numbers 1 4 \( combined \) , june , 1990 , pages 33 41 science publishers \( north holland \) 12 \) order standards documents american national standards institute sells ansi standards , also iso \( international \) standards sales office 1 212 642 4900 , mailing address 1430 broadway , ny ny helps complete name number useful numbers know cgm \( computer graphics metafile \) iso 4 \( 1987 \) gks \( graphical kernel system \) ansi x3 124 1985 phigs \( programmer 's hierarchical interactive graphics system \) ansi x3 144 1988 iges ansi y14 1987 language bindings often separate related numbers example , gks fortran binding x3 124 1 1985 standards progress made available key solicit comments graphical public \( includes ! \) ansi let know order available global engineering 1 800 854 13 \) ftp email number sites archive usenet sources newsgroups make available via email query system send message automated server saying something like send comp sources unix fbm , hours days later get file mail addition , least one ftp mail server send mail ftpmail decwrl dec com saying help tell use note service times turned due abuse 14 \) tell whether point within planar polygon consider ray originating point interest continuing infinity crosses odd number polygon edges along way , point within polygon ray crosses even number edges , point either outside polygon , within interior hole formed intersecting polygon edges idea known trade jordan curve theorem see eric article glassner 's ray tracing book \( \) information , including treatment special cases another method sum absolute angles point vertices polygon sum 2 pi , point inside , sum 0 point outside however , method order magnitude slower previous method evaluating functions usually quite costly code methods \( plus triangle testing \) found ray tracing news , vol 5 , 3 , available princeton edu pub graphics z 15 \) sphere one simple way recursive subdivision triangles base , level divides triangle four smaller ones jon leech leech cs unc edu posted nice routine called sphere c generates coordinates 's available ftp ftp ee lbl gov princeton edu 16 \) specific references ray tracing global illumination rick speer maintains cross indexed ray tracing bibliography highlights edition \) 500 citations period 1968 november '91 ii \) papers siggraph , graphics interface , , cg international proceedings december , '91 iii \) citations easy lookup iv \) cross indices keyword author v \) glossary 119 keywords used bib form postscript file printout 41 pages long list ftp sites contain file 's named speer raytrace bib ps z compressed sites site dir wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics bib rt bib speer karazm math uh edu pub graphics gondwana ecr mu oz au pub papers nic funet fi pub sci papers graphics coral cs edu au graphics papers eric haines \( erich eye com \) maintains ray tracing radiosity global illumination bibliographies refer format , searched electronically \( simple awk script search keywords included \) bibliographies available sites listed , current versions maintained princeton edu pub graphics papers tom wilson \( wilson cs ucf edu \) collected 300 abstracts ray tracing related research papers books information essentially plaintext , latex troff formatting programs included collection available sites 17 \) siggraph information online steve cunningham ralph acm siggraph announces online information site siggraph org \( 128 248 245 250 \) site provides siggraph information via anonymous ftp electronic mail archive server anonymous ftp service standard , ftp directory includes conference publications subdirectories retrieve information electronic mail , send mail archive server siggraph org subject body message include message send followed topic wish good place start command send index give date list available information 18 \) siggraph panels proceedings available steve cunningham bob judd acm siggraph announces availability siggraph '91 panels proceedings siggraph org site \( 128 248 245 250 \) proceedings available three formats text \( ascii \) rtf \( rich text format , suitable many word processors \) word \( ms word macintosh \) may retrieved siggraph org two ways \( 1 \) anonymous ftp change one directories publications panels proceedings text rtf word text rtf files may downloaded ascii mode , word files stored macbinary format must downloaded binary mode directory contains table contents file \( \) describes contents panel file \( 2 \) electronic mail send mail archive server siggraph org retrieve either text rtf files suggest first retrieve index files putting one messages send txt index send rtf index subject body message get necessary information retrieve actual transcript files 19 \) graphics mailing lists variety graphics related mailing list , covering either single product single topic active participant one time , find focus expertise brought bear isolated topic nothing short amazing please send appropriate information others would like see added name imagine mailing list description discussion forum users imagine 3d rendering animation package impulse , inc platforms amiga , ibm subscription imagine request email sp paramax com posting imagine email sp paramax com name dctv mailing list description discussion forum users digital creations dctv box , software , file formats platforms amiga subscription dctv request nova cc purdue edu posting dctv nova cc purdue edu name rayshade users mailing list description discussion forum users rayshade raytracer platforms unix boxes , amiga , mac , ibm subscription rayshade request cs princeton edu posting rayshade users cs princeton edu name lightwave 3d software toaster mailing list description discussion forum users lightwave , video toaster modelling rendering package platforms amiga subscription lightwave request bobsbox rent com subscribe lightwave l message posting lightwave bobsbox rent com name pov mailing list description discussion forum dkbtrace pov renderers platforms unix subscription listserv trearn bitnet posting dkb l trearn bitnet name mailing list massive parallel rendering description \? platforms unix subscription mp render request icase edu posting mp render icase edu 20 \) specific references file formats graphics file formats , david kay john levine , windcrest mcgraw hill 1992 , isbn 0 8306 7 paper , isbn 0 8306 0 36 95 hardcover , isbn 0 8306 7 24 95 paper comments 26 formats , software \( good , imho prefer books non platform dependent \) questions book may sent iecc cambridge us 21 \) gif \? gif stands graphics interchange format portable usable upon wide variety platforms quite limited ways \( yes , keeper faq opinions \) , fact , n't like much however , looks like frequently asked question previously covered list following list newsgroups like one could go find gif subject alt binaries pictures faq general info subject alt binaries pictures faq os specific info newsgroups alt binaries pictures , alt binaries pictures misc , alt binaries pictures utilities , alt binaries pictures fractals , alt binaries pictures fine art , news answers available indicated usenet newsgroup \( \) , via anonymous ftp pit manager mit edu files pub usenet news answers pictures faq part1 pub usenet news answers pictures faq part2 also available mail server pit manager mit edu sending mail message containing send usenet news answers pictures faq part1 send usenet news answers pictures faq part2 send message containing help get general information mail server also , could check resources described sections 7 , 8 , 20 information 22 \) morphing \? warping image mapping pixel new location morphing one image object another one valerie hall written excellent introduction warping morphing available anonymous ftp marsh cs curtin edu au directory pub graphics bibliography morph three files morph intro ps z \( postscript version , many pictures 1 5m \) morph intro txt z \( text version \) responses z \( responses morphing questions \) files compressed , must use binary transfer uncompress afterwards 23 \) ray trace height fields height fields special case ray tracing number uses , terrain rendering , optimization possible thus , get faq section note references doubt located via ray tracing section 16 following paper seems definitive reference f kenton grid tracing fast ray tracing height fields july , 1988 musg88 ps z available research report dcs rr 639 yale university , 's also siggraph '91 fractal modeling 3d computer graphics imaging course notes , \( best \) 's available net nic funet fi pub sci papers musg88 ps z weedeater math yale edu pub papers musg88 ms z princeton edu pub graphics papers musg88 ms z coral cs edu au graphics papers musg88 ps z gondwana ecr mu oz au pub papers musg88 ms z musg88 ps z implementation paper may found rayshade another paper exists david w sidney petersen parametric height field ray tracing j proceedings graphics interface '92 canadian information processing society c toronto , ontario may 1992 p 192 200 still one , kolb , mace synthesis rendering eroded fractal , computer graphics vol 23 , 3 \( siggraph '89 \) p 41 50 24 \) find area 3d polygon area triangle given \( c notation \) , area 0 5 \( \( x 0 1 \) \( x 1 2 \) \( x 2 0 \) \( x 1 0 \) \( x 2 1 \) \( x 0 2 \) \) area planar polygon given area 0 0 \( 0 n 1 \) area \( x 1 \) \( x 1 \) area \( x n 1 0 \) \( x 0 n 1 \) area 2 0 area negative number , polygon triangle clockwise , positive , counterclockwise ronald 's gem \( graphics gems ii see section 1 \) , area planar polygons volume polyhedra area polygon p0 , p1 , p2 , pn , x plane , given area \( polygon \) 1 2 n sigma pk x pk 1 n unit vector normal plane p polygonal vertex represents dot product operator x represents cross product operator sigma represents operator represents absolute value operator pn 1 equal p0 25 \) join acm siggraph probably easiest way join acm siggraph trot local technical library find copy communications acm somewhere within first pages application blank fill mail acm membership students costs 23 00 , voting associate membership 77 00 \( yearly \) siggraph student membership costs additional 16 00 , 26 00 voting associate members \( also yearly \) get tog \( transactions graphics \) 's another 26 00 students 31 00 voting associate members want join siggraph without joining acm , 'll cost 59 00 \( student discount \) overseas publications acm member services may contacted via email bitnet phone number \( 212 \) 626 0500 fax number \( 212 \) 944 snailmail address acm po box church street station new york , new york siggraph held anaheim , california , anaheim convention center \( street disneyland \) august 1 6 , 1993 26 \) find mri ct scan volume data \? volume data sets available university north carolina omicron cs unc edu \( 152 2 128 159 \) pub softlab chvrtd \( commerical use prohibited \) head data 109 slice mri data set human head knee data 127 slice mri data set human knee data result quantum mechanical calculation sod data one electron orbital , iron protein sod data electron density map active site sod \( \) ct head data 113 slice mri data set ct study head mr brain data 109 slice mri data set head skull partially removed reveal brain rna data electron density map 27 \) specific references spatial data structures including h , design analysis spatial data structures , addison wesley , reading , , 1990 isbn 0 201 0 h , applications spatial data structures computer graphics , image processing , nd gis , addison wesley , reading , , 1990 isbn 0 201 0 28 \) get program plot xy \( z \) data f \( x \) data \? gnuplot command driven interactive data function plotting program runs machine , flexible terms supported output devices official north american distribution site latest version dartmouth edu pub gnuplot information available usenet newsgroup comp graphics gnuplot faq , graphics gnuplot faq ace gr \( xmgr motif xvgr xview \) data function plotting tool workstations x terminals using x available ftp ccalmr ogi edu ccalmr pub acegr \( robot \) general purpose plotting data analysis program requires xview , x terminal workstation available sunsite unc edu pub academic data analysis xgraph popular two dimensional plotting program accepts data form similar unix program graph displays line graphs , scatter plots , bar charts x11 display available ic berkeley edu pub program drawing 2d plots x10 x11 windows , sunview displays , terminals available berkeley edu src local 29 \) specific references pex phigs pexlib programming manual , tom gaskins , 1154 pages , o'reilly associates , isbn 1 7 pexlib reference manual , edited steve , 577 pages , o'reilly associates , isbn 1 5 phigs programming manual , tom gaskins , 908 pages , o'reilly associates , isbn 0 85 4 \( \) , isbn 0 937175 92 7 \( \) phigs reference manual , edited linda , 1099 pages , o'reilly associates , isbn 0 937175 91 9 30 \) siggraph online bibliography project acm siggraph online bibliography project database 15 , 000 unique computer graphics computational geometry references bibtex format , available computer graphics community research educational resource database located siggraph org users may download bibtex files via ftp peruse offline , telnet siggraph org log biblio interactively search database entries interest , keyword additions corrections suggestions may directed admin , siggraph org john grieggs \( telos jet propulsion laboratory \) 4800 oak grove drive , pasadena , ca 91109 525 3660 \( 818 \) 306 uucp cit vax , elroy , ! jpl devvax ! grieggs arpa jpl devvax ! grieggs cit vax arpa
wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) subject law economics organization northeastern law , class '93 lines 234 nntp posting host nw12 326 1 mit edu reply thf2 midway uchicago edu i'm going mixing together stuff two ted frank 's articles , 1993apr15 midway uchicago edu \( response \) 1993apr16 midway uchicago edu \( response tim smith \) \( yes , know , boomer court n't call eminent domain walks like eminent domain like eminent domain quacks like eminent domain \) wdstarr tort cases really eminent domain cases \? bankruptcy \? contract \? eminent domain state mandated transaction one party required sell piece property owns another party , regardless whether first party wishes sell , price set state fail see doctrine found tort , bankruptcy contract cases general well , okay , sort bankruptcy , \? since courts supposed business preventing parties windfall settlements parties settlements arise wrongful acts parties \? wdstarr since said boomer 's reliance economics led unjust result i'm pointing alternative far unjust , traditional sense world atlantic cement 's act wrongful something society want build factory , create industry jobs cost compliance grossly disproportionate damage faced plaintiffs bang 's one places widely diverge believe courts , deciding civil dispute two parties , consider factor perhaps overriding factor issues believe court ignore irrelevant dispute boomer v atlantic cement co action brought one party , boomer , whose property rights violated ongoing basis another party , atlantic cement company facts supported boomer 's contention atlantic cement damaging property , boomer asked court order atlantic cement stop end story reason court consider issues society would want atlantic cement whether cost compliance disproportionate damage faced plaintiffs issues nothing case court bill , government stepped epa made regulation requiring multi million dollar cement plants shut cement dust , cost benefit ratio 15 1 , 'd arms okay judicial branch interfere way , legislative executive branches \? 'd arms \? assume \? quite contrary , 'd probably support action , since would based general doctrine decision believe would correct boomer idea people 's property rights violated reasons economic efficiency boomer boomer 's property rights believe court protected hypothetical epa ruling 've presented , 's american people 's collective property rights healthy physical environment good cost benefit ratio 15 1 wind cement dust air \? rule makes per se illegal ever operate cement plant state massachusetts came similar regulation , 'd arms complaining interference property rights , fifth amendment violations okay judicial branch interfere way , legislative executive branches \? libertarian present \? ted frank would per se illegal operate cement plant \? would n't mean buying land cement plant , would either buy enough land pollution would stay land , buy pollution surrounding \? tim smith takes one hundreds neighbors scrap plant furthermore , neighbors going want full benefit bargain resulting bilateral monopoly lawyers , sure , get negotiate agreements , windfall homeowners extort away profits plant would make , particularly good society yes \? courts supposed protect specific rights individuals , general interests nebulous society society cement plant without violating anyone 's rights , fine otherwise society somehow limp along one less cement plant \( see , ted , really libertarian ! \) 's whole point behind theorem world without transactions costs , land automatically put best use , transferred person person without friction legal regime matter , result world , one transactions costs , one wants legal regime approximate end result begin , order minimize transactions costs one wants legal regime approximate end result begin , order minimize transactions costs \? \? \? one speaking \? want legal regime protect people 's rights besides , 's theorem real application never never land perfectly rational actors real world \( 1 \) people going stubborn , , otherwise irrational economic point view \( 2 \) purpose courts protect right n't care show logically cattle 100 damage property per head , rationally sell grazing rights land , say , 150 per head still retain right tell plain n't want damned cattle property , price say everyone 's property rights protected plaintiffs made whole unnecessary settlement costs avoided , dispute claim plaintiffs made whole , fact , court action deprived rights owners property choose sell sell property price acceptable wdstarr , argument , tort plaintiff ever made whole , award damages involuntary treat nuisance plaintiff different tort plaintiff \? n't require specific performance analogous contractual situation tort \? last question first reason contract law would come dangerously close thirteenth amendment , argument , tort plaintiff ever made whole , award damages involuntary claim , 're least partially right faced situations wrong already done damage victim already taken place cannot reversed undone , courts try set equitable price tag loss suffered victim require pay price \( rather inflated price victim might prefer \) cases , sale already taken place irreversible , court simply tries ensure fair price paid , doctrines \( \) certain circumstances even civil forced pay punitive excessive prices \( b \) even genuine victim profit unjustified manner doctrines may worth discussing debating elsewhere , neither relevant cases like boomer wrongful act loss stemming still future reversed undone \( e , prevented happening \) order court types cases , court require potential victim 's property rights protected unless agrees sell mutually acceptable price need court guess equitable value loss force sides accept finding leave operation parties ask since courts supposed business ensuring unnecessary settlement costs avoided \? \( , 've always thought courts supposed business ensuring justice done \) unnecessary settlement costs unjust punitive cases like boomer , 're simply cost business fact atlantic cement co got position found barrel simply result poor business decision start cement plant without first trying negotiate boomer everyone else whose property rights 'd violating via operation plant 's nothing punitive unjust \( 2 \) completely sensible believe alleged right owners atlantic cement stay business avoid losing lot money due wrongful act , alleged right several hundred atlantic cement employees jobs disappear , trump rights people property damaged atlantic cement 's wrongful acts wdstarr anybody ever commits wrongful act entire set possessions person \? n't complaining excess punitive damages \? anybody wants commit wrongful act future required buy right victim , advance seller allowed set price privilege injustice , punitive damages 'd like posner , bill 's libertarian really \? n't know , anything , say cases like boomer \? wdstarr , cites example bilateral monopoly court correctly avoided i'm sure covered posner book tort law , presumably favorably , n't book front n't sound much like libertarian libertarians tend believe rights individual people , societies 've admitted understanding field generally referred law economics weak advocates use economical analysis one many tie breaker factors courts may use help reach decisions cases dispute , measured scale justice , evenly balanced , fine illustrated boomer , fine courts start viewing economics case important justice case wdstarr case justice case tied economics case atlantic cement committed tort causing damage pay millions \? compensate damage committed \? stated , tort ongoing atlantic cement wanted able continue violate boomer 's rights court may justified setting equitable price tag damage already committed , reason need set price tag future violations boomer 's rights force boomer sell price william december starr wdstarr athena mit edu
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject transparent cyphertext \? organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 16 \( 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet \) wrote light recent events , may soon become good idea include ability produce transparent , least non obvious , cyphertext upcoming revisions wo n't help nsa axis requires messages undergo textual analysis reduction canonical form eliminate concealed messages reading several national computer security center documents , i'm convinced already using filter grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
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mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) subject 386 motherboard advice needed originator mark joule pcl organization physical chemistry laboratory , south parks road , oxford ox1 3qz lines 25 article 965 jethro corp sun com , lonewolf muse corp sun com \( peter pak \) writes hi , anyone source 386dx 25 motherboards \? 've calling around local stores everyone appears stocking 386dx 33 40 386sx 25 33 motherboards difficult modify 386dx 40 motherboard run 25 mhz \? simple replacing system clock slower part \? thanks ! peter normally case , make sure get board plug oscillator screw warranty start solder board mark mark uk ac ox physchem
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steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject tempest organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 6 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net low radiation claims one sees monitors days pertain allegedly harmful electromagnetic emissions , necessarily anything tempest security \( think alleged hazard bs , 's another topic \)
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject hallam baker \( welcome police state usa \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes , frank crary 's arguments based assumption people sane , normal people tpg disproves gun owners usenet whole disproves humanity whole heavens ! everybody phill step ! proof positive guns n't make safer buy lot guns either get shot knock raid get fbi burn house see even paranoid mindset tpg good reasons support gun control , phill lets us know might makes right sacred government cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) subject electrical spacecraft via magnetic field earth \? organization u c berkeley math department lines 41 nntp posting host skippy berkeley edu article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes okay , earth magnetic field \( unless someone missed something \? \) okay put object earth magnetic field , produces electricty , put conductor changing magnetic field , produces voltage two ways permanent magnet move magnet move conductor slow shifting earth 's magnetic field n't really significant , especially consider weak earth 's magnetic field begin question use electricity power space low earth orbit vehicle \? , use magnetic field earth power \? \? well , would require generating incredibly large magnetic field repel earth 's magnetic field \( magnet repel another magnet \) course , force works one direction , magnetic field generated powerful magnetic drops 1 r 3 , earth 's magnetic field surface already weak would require sort unknown , special construction seriously electronics \( optical computers , perhaps \) physiological danger would significant \( due iron content blood , among things \) words , forget idea dragless satellite used part create electrical field \? dragless satellite \( might wrong \) , suspended , compensate drag think know want say , sure say dragless satellite sounds interestingly enough liek generator missed dragless satellite thread , sounds totally bogus , little bit isaac kuo \( isaackuo math berkeley edu \) twinkle , twinkle , little sig , \( \( \) \) keep less 5 lines big
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization mary ellen carter salvage crew reply strnlght netcom com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 20 23 04 gmt apr22 yuma acns colostate edu 46l netcom com nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 21 article 46l netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes doug holland claims tom clancy provided recipe nuclear bombs clancy says omitted certain crucial steps , know clancy knows , rather repeating 's read told unclassified domain \? hand , john aristotle phillips junior princeton trying keep physics terrific term paper , atom bomb design good enough got classified steps derived social engineering \( e g name explosive \) , fundamentally sound \( get \) pakistan embassy also called trying get copy time lobbying us government get nuclear reactors purely non military electrical power generation pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
dietz cs rochester edu \( paul dietz \) subject planets habitable organization university rochester computer science dept lines 35 would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions good question major blind spots understanding makes earth habitable example , earth 's atmosphere concentration oxygen \? naive answer , clearly incomplete ca n't make atmosphere , oxygen produced consumed plants decay eaten needed plus mechanism fraction resulting reduced material earth , mechanism burial organic matter , mostly sources however , burial requires continental \( deep ocean , burial rate slow material consumed \) suggests planet without large oceans , planet without continents undergoing , hard time oxygen atmosphere particular , ocean planet may hard time supporting oxygen atmosphere also problem oxygen earth 's atmosphere relatively stable geological time , period least 2 orders magnitude longer decay time atmospheric o2 absence convincing feedback mechanism identified perhaps reason weak principle last 500 , oxygen level dropped low , would n't wondering paul f dietz dietz cs rochester edu
renee cup portal com \( renee linda roberts \) subject muscle spasms post surgically organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 18 ankle reconstruction \( lateral side ankle , along video ankle \( interesting watch , say least \) since , periodic muscle spasms \( , twitching fast \) muscle groups along lateral side , along top foot tx sulfate produced ringing ears , help spasms , discernable help spasms ideas \? one thing short leg cast , heat answer renee roberts
mwalker chama eece unm edu \( mark walker \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host warlock eece unm edu article 93112 psuvm psu edu , psuvm psu edu writes , showed foot cam telemetry rusty wallace shifting last year never touched clutch except slightly shifting 700 hp pretty powerful doubt trans uses standard several mechanisms coupling gear transmission output shaft , fine racing unsuitable street use mark walker old man always said mwalker chama eece unm edu much right ! 505 277 \( home 899 \) guess applies preferences albuquerque , nm performance cars
organization central michigan university cmuvm csv cmich edu subject help needed w dos apps windows lines 21 since loading windows , two dos applications acting strangely appears font changes page orientation changes \( far \) recognized wordperfect dos dos another dos application accept font page orientation changes , n't think problem printer reloaded , changes still accepted whether launching windows dos prompt anyone suggestions look correct problem \? 've ordered windows , need landscape application printed immediately please e mail thanks advance ! sue internet cmuvm csv cmich edu central michigan university bitnet cmuvm mt pleasant , mi
baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) subject pc parallel \( ! \) organization system 6626 bbs , winnipeg manitoba canada lines 40 erickson azure nmt edu \( alan erickson \) writes i'm trying bring 8 bits pc , would like use interrupt driven routines without buying io board making new port , bring bits \? lpt seems inputs , 've heard rumours lpts bidirectional lines anybody know fer sure \? bi lpts , boards \( 'll running new 386dx 33 \) \? yes , possible i'm making 7 stepper controller board , 7 digital inputs , \( \) 18 digital outputs port one main thing tell whether port bi directional bus look chip numbered n't , 's probably , good reading , following first , find address port , \( decimal \) either 888 , 632 pascal , would write \( port xxx \) xxx address either hex decimal status lines , pins 14 , 16 , 17 , well strobe , pin 1 , bi directional lines , read base address 2 , 888 , read status , read 890 also output lines fashion data lines pascal , port xxx value hope helps let know need help inspiration comes baden sys6626 bison mb ca \( \) baden inqmind bison mb ca seek baden de bari unknown
suned cs yale edu \( wanna know \? \) subject jack morris organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host zoo cs yale edu since roger canadian probably knows nothing baseball gonna try explain terms hockey according logic say since 1988 bob errey better wayne gretzky hey errey contributed 2 cups good old wayne nothing \( think kings trade gretzky errey think roger \? \)
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject lindbergh moon \( give 1g \) organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 26 gnb baby bby com au \( gregory n bond \) writes article kxf news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes voyages discovery could give examples privately funded ones \? believe 1492 \( film \) , columbus substantial private funds columbus asked merchant put money , guy said \( slightly paraphrased \) , faith , hope charity greater banking heck , ships one owned \( know , one groups probably crossed atlantic columbus came along \) gregory bond gnb bby com au burdett buckeridge young ltd melbourne australia knox 's 386 slick fox sox , knox 's box knox 's box quick plays lots lsl 's sick ! \( apologies john iron bar mackin \) phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject strong encryption organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com posted reply comp risks \( answering risks digest 14 53 \) summary 14 53 mark key escrow mark marks wimsey com subject key escrow \( clipper chip risks 14 51 \) advances digital computing made possible ordinary people use powerful machine cipher techniques tempting \( albeit \) believe new situation , thanks pet computers true david kahn 's codebreakers , history cryptography , makes two things obvious 1 cryptography spontaneous invention private human individuals going thousands years teen age slang cipher inventions provide modern example spontaneous creation 2 systems people created roughly secure \( sometimes secure \) used military diplomatic users time \( although seem simple insecure today \) e g , places , bible used complex simple substitution caesar military , caesar commend kahn 's book might interested disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
brad optilink com \( brad yearwood \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 155 article 1993apr22 222016 lehman com , pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes obviously n't read information system chips put serial number infomation cypher stream allow identified system rely registering people owning particular phone units proposal , lets accurate objections presume tell read system may rely upon registering people owning particular phone units , necessary know phone units likely used suspected criminal communication obtain unit keys escrow necessity raises stakes favor criminal 's coercing use person 's clipper phone assumptions explicitly amplify argument original title perhaps distinction legal illegal cipher systems considered harmful , clipper considered harmful inaccurate , eye catching current context assumptions 1 clipper made available 2 laws passed make use cipher systems clipper illegal \( either radio systems , common carrier system \) laws also include enforcement authority listen across relevant radio spectrum \( medium \) , characterize signals , validate clipper wrappers , detect probable use non clipper ciphers , make detection cause action 3 escrowed keys useful , specific clipper chip must associated suspected criminal means minimum association common carrier 's unique phone id \( esn \) clipper chip serial number n stored government database observed n esn one recorded raises red flag 4 reduce ordinary fraud , cellphone system offers clipper also constructed esn mechanism much tamper proof much less today 's 5 criminals want inscrutable communications criminals entirely stupid ignorant , figure clipper offer excellent security normal circumstances , offer security law enforcement \( presumably legitimate \) wiretap order exists also figure wiretap order must necessarily specific cellphone , one unique unit key 6 criminals want call attention stupid ignorant \( read netnews \) , know open use non clipper cipher likely detected , generally avoid using non clipper ciphers directly tappable channel know would raise red flag , putting given cellphone \( given person \) immediate suspicion 7 impractical reverse engineer skipjack , discover family key f , construct functional clone clipper chip 2 , 3 , 4 , 7 difficult spoof given clipper phone without immediate detection difficult obscure one 's association specific phone changing chips around , criminal motivated find intact phone associated someone else non stupid criminal conclude clipper secure communications , least limited time , buy , beg , borrow , steal use someone 's phone way prevents person reporting compromise phone least time encrypted communications might recorded , thus retrievable later , criminal delay , quite likely evade , discovery destroying abandoning phone would unusual innocent person volunteer use clipper phone someone else honest subscriber n't want pay someone else 's bill , n't want fall suspicion leaves two sources clipper phones criminal use coercion coercion first theft bears relatively low risk , also sometimes low time detection \( minutes phone stolen car parked front store , couple weeks phone stolen someone away vacation \) criminal commerce likely arise stolen clipper phones , phones coming risk poor criminals , cash coming risk wealthy criminals someone motivated gain day two undetected communication \( like terrorist \) could kill person hold hostage limited time \( detection \) coerced phone useful means continuing criminal enterprises require continuing supply freshly coerced phones would also created commerce relatively wealthy criminals , ignorant n't care need money , submit paid return subscribing clipper phone service someone else 's use criminals learn advantage coerce use clipper cellphone apply non clipper cipher normal cellphone call much less attention \( least stolen phone \) way fact phone 's use coerced must first reported identified interesting phone , keys obtained escrow clipper also allows extraordinary opportunity criminal conceal use super encryption automated full system surveillance mechanism \( quite feasible across radio bandwidth \) knows family key f , validate clipper wrappers n esn associations , cannot reveal realtime use super encryption , unless knows unit keys , assured made available two separate pieces , upon specific wiretap like order whereas criminal 's use cipher within normally cleartext medium would stand , criminal 's use non clipper cipher within clipper medium would difficult detect , even ex post facto bulk recordings , long association criminal specific clipper chip make use cipher illegal per se , charge criminal \( identify true criminal 'll using someone else 's phone \) , 'll evidence help whatever traditional crime might planning even able detect unusual \( encrypted \) communications occurring identify specific phones obtain keys escrow terrorist thus arguably , less , secure clipper came along therefore consider clipper harmful 1 provide absolute privacy honest public aggressive dishonest government 2 ciphers proscribed , new types direct criminal threat honest public 3 provides effective mechanism criminals hide use cipher , making difficult ever even gain notice unusual communications occurring plans criminal act might progress 4 ciphers proscribed , lazy investigators prosecutors likely pursue easily quantifiable cipher use crime traditional directly harmful crimes key escrow claimed help 5 ciphers proscribed , stage set witch hunting illegal cipher use computer used cipher machine brad yearwood brad optilink com uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! brad petaluma , ca
subject could n't care less vax1 mankato msus edu organization mankato state university lines 33 article 1993apr22 ucc okstate edu , kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes article 1993apr21 msuvx2 memst edu msuvx2 memst edu writes article 93111 cmuvm bitnet , 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes quote rush 's radio show yesterday , referred recent events near waco , texas either yes , 's regrettable eighty odd people died , could walked door simple turn knob 's plain stupid lay blame anyones feet ol' vernon 's fbi batf started fire , take six hours catch \? timed incendiary devices , say \? could idiots picked tossed window \? argument whether wood burning stove used \? 's known fact city seige , thereof eat , hell , bd 's could 've mre type us know conscience clear word mean anything \? several minutes go smoldering cigarette butt couch sets couch fire 's possible \( maybe possible \) scenario one cs gas grenades fbi threw earlier caused material like carpet extended period time later tank punched hole wall , knocking one bds kerosene lanterns , kerosene spilled onto smoldering material , resulting fire killed 86 people inside another possibility results fire starts one room torches entire place anyone adjacent rooms escape \? n't think much theory sorry , catchy quotes
hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) subject universal phones days \? organization university california santa cruz lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host ucsc edu i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? thanks , hugo
uafhp uark edu \( dennis pang \) subject problem speed organization kansas state university lines 31 nntp posting host uafhp uark edu 486dx2 50 8mb 70ns ram trident svga card sometimes feel runs slowly , especially running windows i'm planning buy ati graphic ultra next semester need get problem solved \? 70ns ram chips slow machine \? faster ram chips make big difference \? use cad software computer well grades good enough speed lot \? one experienced difference isa bus vl bus \( graphic accelerator \) \? \( scsi controller may appropriate , since may replace hard disks well however , sometimes huge files computer really worth use scsi interface \? ca n't spend much \) \) help appreciated thanks advance dennis uafhp uark edu p man ! hate stupid text editor way type article dos word processor load file usenet \? thanks advance !
nyx cs du edu \( vinay rao \) subject density skull bone x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept distribution usa lines 12 could someone tell density skull bone direct reference contains info \? would appreciate much thanks vinay vinay j rao nyx cs du edu
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject wanted police officers answer posting nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 19 viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes heh attitude stopped \? speaking guy recieved verbal warning 55 , laugh hey dan , potentially cool story stuff share details never get break , probably us n't either , please , enlighten , let us live story erc , mi , usa vfr750f dod 1138
johng socrates umd edu \( john gustafson \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization university maryland university college lines 18 ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? may tease sub thread discussion \? please tell remove stickers new houses' appliances outdoor lampposts \? especially , right glass n't something rub stuck labels release death grip glass hard surfaces \? many thanks help john john gustafson johng socrates umd edu
truman fenton andrew cmu edu subject sale bulk shirts ! ! organization freshman , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 30 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu company , thus commercial sale purchased 256 shirts last fall fund fell n't time sell shirts 175 shirts left willing sell 5 25 piece \( dollar discount would paid supplier shirts , even bulk \) \( 's 918 75 175 shirts \) shirts jim morris shirts 100 cotton 4 colors \( clean neatly folded box happen damaged refund money damaged shirt replace , option \) could sell least 8 15 piece \( higher number nicer shirts \) raise money school event organization realize big investment , could pay big would willing sell shirts lots 50 5 50 shirt pay shipping , prefer local buyers give bargaining power please help time sell shirts need money taking big loss selling cheap give jim morris' phone number prices prices negotiable truman please email andrew cmu edu tell clubs area deal 're gone , 're gone \( cause business \)
frank marvin contex com \( frank perdicaro \) subject hawk gt new seat review keywords corbin lines 30 unable stand pain anymore , wife bought corbin lady passenger backrest hawk gt came instructions , came 2 weeks earlier said would installation would easy , seat hardware apparently always wrong sides stock seat ! never easy put figured , new seat went first try passenger backrest , though , fit thought might supplied screw set backrest angle fit , yet found suitable , hard , \( sae grade 8 , perhaps 5 \) 1 4 20 bolt fits soft bolt n't lean back driver 's section seat bit wider seems comfortable enough , put 5000 miles stock seat without thought passenger 's section 8 times volume foam stock seat , short test seems much comfortable backrest helps bit , 've enough time really test backrest also comes small pocket difficult swing leg 10 taller seat go three notch ride soon \( , smugglers \) , 'll give complete report , general seems like improvement frank evan perdicaro color systems legalize guns , drugs cash today 101 drive frank marvin , wakefield frank contex com , 617 245
vis world std com \( tom r courtney \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 17 sense , think folks think idea wonderful , folks want boycott anyone anything project right , think space advertising interesting idea , someone wants try , power however , company may discover cost launch cost advertising , company ill would lose revenue advertising would gain might decide bow project got incensed read carl sagan called idea abomination n't think word means thinks children starving richest country world abomination ad agency worst poor taste tom courtney
hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu \( harold brooks \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization , texas urban renewal task force lines 101 article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article 1993apr22 pts mot com pts mot com writes article netcom com , mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes spring training made similarly looking comment clutch hitting bb flames flying thing clutch hitting \( sdcn 's \) screamed assumed also meant thing kind clutch performance , given comments i'm still wounds , rebuttal planned \) \( gotta homework , say \) deletions rather showed , quite , past clutch performance never able predict future clutch performance i'm sure convinced , dave apparently tony perez , however , believe time sabo plate appearance juan samuel bench available pinch hit duty past four seasons non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 claim complete statistical analysis proves existence clutch hitting , compelling testimony samuel would gotten base hit i'm sure something wrong sample size , basic assumption clutch performance random invalidates conclusions limited application something n't pretend understand statistical analysis well , agree last part \) one basic things need statistic able predict player 's performance future correlation year year player 's batting average correlated fairly well year year player 's ability walk infielder 's defensive average correlated better say , given past performance statistics pretty good handle 'll next year put simple information aging even better one basic problems something like clutch batting average overall batting average correlation year year almost zero adding sample size n't seem help much counterexample showed , consider following two players 1984 1987 non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba maldonado 1060 260 245 254 78 307 lemon 457 278 256 57 223 two players 1988 , logic , clutch situations , 'd bat maldonado lemon blink eye well , 1988 , maldonado hit 267 non clutch 190 clutch , lemon hit 254 non clutch 313 clutch accuse completely cooking data , 96 players 25 clutch bats every year 1984 1988 \( according elias \) simple measure , let 's look clutch ba non clutch ba use '84 '87 predict '88 96 players , 'd find 27 96 league average measure '84 87 '88 , 26 league average periods 43 one flipping coins , 'd expect get 24 48 switched difference observed results coin flip experiment significant btw , players' overall batting average '84 '87 '88 gives correlation coefficient 0 59 , significant something better 99 9 confidence level \( clutch non clutch ba \) period gives correlation 0 088 , significant level interest everyone would agree \( hope \) grand slam bottom ninth team three clutch hit way predict likely get clutch hit based past performance \( hitting clutch situations \) say , dave way actually , 's technically incorrect say ca n't predict future clutch performance 's correct say ca n't predict future clutch performance skill harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory \( norman , ok \) used work brewery , , n't drink job p dal 's view florida win nl east '93
rts nwu edu \( ted schreiber \) subject mac video system cards software \? nntp posting host mech nwu edu organization mechanical engineering lines 23 would good platform fairly basic video work following nature reading real video various app 's 5 10 length basic editing features said video sequences , adding slides something like power point etc i'm familiar stuff would like good system crisp performance 's educational promotional things video quality decent i'm thinking tempest cyclone , big drive , loads ram , floptical 128mb optical \? \? however , i'm sure various cards software thats please email responses , thanks ted schreiber mechanical northwestern university tel 708 491 fax 708 491 email rts nwu edu
jtchern ocf berkeley edu \( joseph hernandez \) subject mlb standings scores wed , apr 21st , 1993 organization jtc enterprises sports division \( major league baseball dept \) lines 73 distribution world nntp posting host monsoon ether berkeley edu keywords mlb , 04 21 mlb standings scores wednesday , april 21st , 1993 \( including yesterday 's games \) national west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 09 05 643 8 2 2 05 02 04 03 houston astros 07 06 538 1 5 7 3 lost 1 02 04 05 02 atlanta braves 08 07 533 1 5 4 6 1 04 03 04 04 los angeles dodgers 06 08 429 3 0 4 6 lost 1 03 03 03 05 san diego padres 05 08 385 3 5 4 6 lost 1 03 04 02 04 colorado rockies 04 08 333 4 0 4 6 lost 2 03 03 01 05 cincinnati reds 04 09 308 4 5 3 7 2 02 04 02 05 national east philadelphia phillies 10 03 769 7 3 2 06 01 04 02 st louis cardinals 08 05 615 2 0 6 4 1 05 02 03 03 chicago cubs 07 06 538 3 0 6 4 1 04 03 03 03 montreal expos 07 06 538 3 0 5 5 2 04 03 03 03 pittsburgh pirates 07 06 538 3 0 4 6 lost 4 03 03 04 03 new york mets 06 06 500 3 5 4 6 lost 2 02 04 04 02 florida marlins 04 09 308 6 0 3 7 lost 2 02 05 02 04 american west lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 08 04 667 6 4 lost 1 04 02 04 02 california angels 07 04 636 0 5 6 4 1 04 02 03 02 minnesota twins 07 05 583 1 0 6 4 1 04 03 03 02 chicago white sox 06 07 462 2 5 4 6 1 02 03 04 04 oakland athletics 05 06 455 2 5 4 6 1 05 02 00 04 seattle mariners 05 08 385 3 5 3 7 lost 1 03 03 02 05 kansas city royals 04 09 308 4 5 4 6 2 02 05 02 04 american east boston red sox 11 03 786 8 2 4 06 01 05 02 detroit tigers 08 05 615 2 5 7 3 1 06 01 02 04 toronto blue jays 07 06 538 3 5 5 5 lost 1 04 02 03 04 new york yankees 06 07 462 4 5 5 5 lost 3 03 03 03 04 milwaukee brewers 04 06 400 5 0 4 6 lost 1 02 02 02 04 cleveland indians 05 09 357 6 0 3 7 lost 2 04 03 01 06 baltimore orioles 04 08 333 6 0 4 6 lost 1 02 04 02 04 yesterday's scores \( idle teams listed alphabetical order \) national league american league houston astros 1 chicago white sox 2 chicago cubs 2 baltimore orioles 1 \( 14 \) los angeles dodgers 3 texas rangers 1 montreal expos 7 detroit tigers 3 cincinnati reds 5 milwaukee brewers 0 pittsburgh pirates 0 minnesota twins 10 atlanta braves 5 toronto blue jays 2 florida marlins 4 kansas city royals 8 san diego padres 3 cleveland indians 2 philadelphia phillies 4 \( 14 \) california angels 7 san francisco giants 4 new york yankees 7 new york mets 1 \( 11 \) oakland athletics 9 \( 10 \) colorado rockies 0 boston red sox 5 st louis cardinals 5 seattle mariners 2 joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
sadie cs sun ac za \( sadie hf \) subject looking article article hippo 1993may17 organization rhodes university , grahamstown , south africa lines 17 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 urgently looking following article , ca n't seem find anywhere multi threaded x server john allen smith x resource issue 1 , pp 73 89 , winter 1992 anyone tell find , much appreciated h f sadie departement computer science university stellenbosch south africa e mail sadie itu sun ac za
neal fuentez com \( neal \) subject getting motif 1 2 organization internet lines 9 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu motif lobo gsfc nasa gov cc xpert expo lcs mit edu hello ! ! ! title says need list bugs motif 1 2 thanks , neal
sam4628 chensun2m tamu edu \( iv \) subject logic backup \? organization dept chemical engineering , texas university lines 14 distribution world reply sam4628 chensun2m tamu edu nntp posting host chensun2m tamu edu newer versions norton backup windows \( 2 0 least \) emergency disk , allow restore tape without reinstalling dos windows \( understand 's sort cumbersome use , nearly much reinstalling everything ! \) steven better remain silent sam4628 chensun2m tamu edu thought fool speak remove doubts hardly speak
bill occs cs edu \( bill \) subject need info organization college computer science distribution sci electronics x posted occs cs edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 10 n't know much , i'm looking information help avoid problems n't thought ! would like inexpensive amplifier tape \( line level \) outputs something like edmund sells 250 also sell microphone \( \) head 24 , one construct enclosure \? information would greatly appreciated , thanks ! bill bill occs cs edu
matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test keywords depth look fractal federalism nntp posting host snow nsc com organization thought police watchdog agency , u lines 284 article senator bedfellow mit edu wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) writes \( ca politics omitted distribution line site 's news posting software n't believe refuses try post \( sure hope matt also reads either f r l p \) saw p , thanks article voder nsc com , matt galaxy nsc com \( matt freivald x8043 \) said like call form government advocate fractal federalism fractal federalism , representative national government certain limited powers absolutely necessary level next state governments , absolutely necessary powers onward counties , cities , districts , neighborhoods 1 \) lowest \( read local \) levels ones power individuals' day day lives , good level individuals voice know , take logical conclusion , n't seem real lowest level level individuals voice single individuals \? omitted level model \? yes , individual omitted n't fully articulate principles fractal federalism government powers derive people level receive new power level amendment process , true consensus \( say 3 4 majority \) writes power constitution level \( case lowest level , passed 3 4 majority vote case higher levels , must passed 3 4 course haggle specifics true consensus hold constitutional convention \) power granted , may exercised legislature powers original constitutions must upward , starting individual process original constitutions involve consensus simply plurality majority granting right constitution course government level restrict activities governments lower levels , operates way amendment process \( , crazy resemblance supposed actual u government structure \) government structure frustrating one people \( read liberals \) would like concentrated power use government force people good \( difficult define word , one difficult reach consensus \) also frustrating structure want use government dictate personal behavior \( read big government conservatives \) personally would rather see types people frustrated incredible erosion liberty \( civil economic \) going imho good government see role government protection individual liberties , still recognizing individuals need influence type community live 2 \) free market works government , economics succesful ideas , unsuccessful ideas die definition successful idea successful government \? one maintains peace , liberty , opportunity happiness people , working within realities human nature bring point \( intentional \) lasting idea means necessarily successful idea believe fractal federalism would least bring many ideas light , people would opportunity democratically choose good ideas bad ideas , er , mean democrats right government activism people , plethora local opportunities check thesis possible , arise balanced conservative republic democratically received best level government activity , become clear people best far set moral tone concerned , community collectively want put prostitution going front kids , \? community want see proliferation drugs among kids , \? reason put church operating right open , kids see , owner house across street flying american flag right open every day front kids 's called freedom n't like ideas kids exposed , try educate persuade kids things 're seeing people wrong bad right , people would rescind freedoms \( read empower government \) except amendment process federal government supposed work , supreme soviet , er , mean supreme court put stop republican government nonsense hypothetical government , constitutional provision government regulate churches government \( whatever level talking \) could indeed ban churches constitutional provision would invalid higher level constitutional provision protecting free exercise religion constitution still supreme law land \( find interesting applaud idea free market competition among various ideas , yet support right majority community suppress ideas n't like \) matter individuals able control associations environment , matter suppression ideas one dilemma human condition individuals need liberty , also need control environment fractal federalism government , certain rights protected constitutions rights protected simply government empowered infringe upon consensus reached government certain power , freedom infringed upon cannot avoided murder statutes infringe upon freedom , think consensus american people murder statutes good idea sure many parents believe right control environment children live people feel right sleep peacefully night thus , noise ordinances laws keep businesses residential neighborhoods view bad things \( certainly individual instances bad , concept necessarily bad \) , view people community control type community live see alternative near anarchy like said another post , come scenario individual something truly absolutely zero effect anyone else individual government right restrict activity simply many behaviors fit category truly autonomous , whole thing becomes issue one individual group power another individual group think fractal federalism approach sound , ideal , approach limiting restrictive power libertarian scenario degenerates might makes right , system right one lawyers abusing natural rights philosophy decide powers government democratic process though supreme court problem egalitarian view tries deny fundamental dilemma democratic government people right exercise voice community , yet individuals right left serious dilemma precisely much takes place vacuum oddly enough , say taken literally little conflict people indeed right exercise voice voice equals persuasive speech communities 's somehow get idea heads also right dictate behavior communities trouble begins think answered already , let expand little example stand naked front house masturbate front children play , libertarian \( small \) scenario recourse yell autonomous value judgement 99 99 time , scientific reality clear definition exactly would empower make value judgement \? stuff deleted certainly cause , mike , people local neighborhood voice goes neighborhood deny create another concentrated centralized power keep locality abusing power essence , using pit bull keep toy biting leg chances , pit bull going turn day , much less defense toy argument appears tyranny individual local majority superior federal government exercise power protect individual neighbors federal government eventually inevitably become corrupt use power everyone okay , 's lot truth certainly 're seeing something like happening united states today \( though 's unclear progression matches model , since beloved benign federal government n't ever shown much enthusiasm idea protecting individuals \) lots people long complaints short practical solutions although pessimistic idea ever bear fruit , least trying long solutions also truly interested improvements make ideas \( call ideas , come average guy reading u constitution without benefit indoctrination constitutional law academia \) say think solution least bad trading yoke federal tyranny yoke local tyranny n't cheer much think 'd prefer put faith larger government least might protect individual time time rather place local mob rule admittedly , 's lesser two evils , 's less much , 're pretty damn evil sorry , confusion fault said fractal federalism resembles u constitution , meant thought pretty clear clearly explained ultimate derivation government power consensus people \( although consent every individual practical observation , moral judgement \) certainly better government power derive nine lawyers , situation think supreme court jury court , different jury case certainly perfect \( philosophy government \) , still find repugnant idea \? , solution \? ideally , everyone would leave everyone else alone government coercive power kind would necessary never work , people different nature always want force views others case , nobody would try force view murder wrong anyone else true question , going \? proposed solution seems actually encourage bozos lord victims think misunderstood structure form government advocate , fault clear oh , way thinking irrelevant integrity irrelevant free speech irrelevant private property irrelevant personal responsibility irrelevant futile assimilated much would freedom speech private property rights respected community majority allowed make rules \? \( man 's saying things public n't want children exposed ! let 's shut ! homos living together house ! let 's run 'em outta town ! \) majority make rules majority \( possibly plurality \) simply representatives exercise limited government powers limited government powers derive large consensus , simple majority federal government , scenario , still power protect freedoms william december starr wdstarr athena mit edu matt freivald thinking irrelevant integrity irrelevant free speech irrelevant private property irrelevant personal responsibility irrelevant futile assimilated opinions employer ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
neff physics uiowa edu \( john neff \) subject planets habitable nntp posting host pluto physics uiowa edu organization university iowa distribution sci lines 33 article iyd fs7 ece cmu edu loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) writes loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject planets habitable date tue , 27 apr 1993 13 38 28 gmt article jpg 93apr27135219 holly bnr co uk jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) writes would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions eg temperature range \( temp purely dependant dist sun suns temperature \) atmospheric \? know nothing human tolerance people adapted high altitudes tibet suspect took several generations make adaptation europeans difficulty making adaptation send women lower altitude pregnant order insure sucessful childbirth planetary mass \? gravity surface important , much human bodies take day day also mass effect atmosphere thinking planets 3 3 times mass earth suppose density important well another factor consider x ray opacity atmosphere case stellar flares , uv opacity also important uv radiation kill damage , plants , animals climate etc concern , axial tilt etc etc three factors relate one another
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject suggestions escrow agencies \( technical details \) organization totally unorganized lines 66 article 73k vcd hp com johne vcd hp com \( john eaton \) writes paul robichaux \( lambda msfc nasa gov \) wrote private citizen , would feel much secure person papers knowing organization committed individual civil liberties aclu nra come mind safeguarding half key aclu nra government pressure simple expedient fact supported , funded , overtly controlled government thats one problem far overlooked two escrow agencies create secure database service input output keys pays \? refuse illegal request congressman deliver key budget cut punish \? congress forced fund forever \? congress n't forced anything even follow rules , n't expedient caught collective pants , make funny noises , perhaps crucify two , continue business usual notice senators involved l scandal n't hurt much , deconcini 's personal stake suppliers big n't affected credibility , inside congress , least still pushing police state agenda problem laws change congress may pass law setting escrow agency instructions keys private future congress may change law suppose pre nazi germany clipper system think escrow agencies would told hitler could keys without valid court order \? like old saw new jersey new york , chicago , etc politicians promised new gun registration law used future confiscation purposes sure enough , years later , used purpose , folks complained , response well , n't make promise politicians may even wait years escrowed keys would assurances security besides , someone wants snoop , know n't think send letter saying snooping private conversations , \? assurances escrow people forbidden report access attempts one 's keys \? much government assurances privacy effect must set escrow agencies fourth branch goverment isolate outside able directly tap federal funds accountability anyone except court challenge \? feds change law , ignore nothing new got muscle , resources , guns aside , since export crypto itar , n't second amendment also come play \? john eaton ! hp vcd ! johne pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
jek cu nih gov subject hell lines 41 20 april , stephen mcintyre writes would rather spend eternity hell beside god heaven knowing even one man would spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings stephen , suspect use word hell , different concepts mind encounter references heaven terms golden streets , trust suppose \( suspect christians supposing \) golden streets taken literally , still less concept heaven suppose fires hell \? read novel atlas shrugged \? remember last description james , sitting floor beside ferris \? comes close description meant hell circles image fire often used connection , two reasons occur first reason conveys idea hell something rational would earnestly wish avoid \( rational would wish avoid fate james latter image meaningful read atlas shrugged , smaller audience played matches \) second reason history hebrew word gehenna , one words translated hell new testament refers valley , outside jerusalem early days , place canaanites offered human sacrifices \( burned alive \) later , made garbage refuse dump , fires burned continually , consuming trash city jerusalem cast gehenna burn gehenna thus became metaphor rejected discarded worthless lest think identifying hell fate james private fancy , commend book great divorce , c lewis discusses heaven \( \) hell \( flames \) shorter atlas shrugged , available bookstores libraries , james kiefer
etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) subject extensions nntp posting host st83 ericsson se reply etxmst sta ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 26 wondering country extension sometimes n't clue people writing extensions know ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us \? edu us \? \( com edu us \? \) fr france please feel free add list markus '75 chevy camaro 350 '87 205 1 4 4 speed n't ask car ask car
dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com subject greg maddux run support reply news2 cis umn edu nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 4 \) lines 18 know , saying ha ! braves score runs maddux , 'll shut guy , think 'll keep track bit longer last outing 5 runs total date 8 runs , 4 games braves record maddux 's starts 2 2 see ya next time dennis dennis parslow better korean good troy , ny 12180 luck symbol ! williams p00421 psilink com
tac world std com \( chan \) subject ugliest swing organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 5 ugliest swing sure think stance franco ranger wonder bat comes around time hit ball looks bad hey get job done tac
rek siss81 \( robert kaye \) subject long term human missions nntp posting host siss81 edu organization rush presbyterian st luke 's medical center x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 37 ken hayashida \( khayash hsc usc edu \) wrote mike adams suggested discussions long term effects spaceflight human love topic , regulars know , seen henry 's encouraging statement starting talk shall feel community people unique resources deliver world comprehensive book elaborate utility spaceflight fields divergent medical intensive care , agriculture , environmental protection , probably believe general public understands impact spaceflight whole society absence knowledge , see support world 's space effort contributions space program regular society 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) p regular contributors sci space news sci space shuttle , thanks hard work keeping us informed doings nasa space type agencies n't much time read usenet , always read two groups robert e kaye asst sys admin surgical information systems rush presbyterian st luke 's medical center chicago , il usa internet rek siss81 edu voice \( 312 \) 942 fax \( 312 \) 942 support local community theater groups ! st 's church schaumburg il presents meet st louis opening april 30th
daveb ingres com \( dave , hack , 510 748 \) subject manual shift bigots originator daveb lotus reply kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) reply daveb lotus \( dave , hack , 510 748 \) organization ask group lines 24 article 1993apr21 1501 rtsg mot com , kissane black \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering primarily milage gas much expensive , people concerned taking liters per kilometer , along narrow old cities , also results smaller cars smaller engines engines usually n't torque mesh well automatic , engines n't work well autos , great concern milage , usual euro car manual \( note many big come manuals 've got money car , 've got money gas , engine drive \) automatics become efficient , bigotry probably reduced still , everyone knows drive manual , cars cheaper one , saves little expensive fuel n't compelling reasons go automatic db
hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject deir yassin reply rj3s virginia edu 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 23 43 31 gmt organization dept computer science , brown university lines 35 article 1993apr26 virginia edu rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) writes bullshit deir yassin unprovoked attack part jews , massacre defines best opinion village deir yassin pact jews , peace pact , irgun purposely broke agreement order scare palestinians might grant village housed armed arabs doubt nothing archives available literature indicates motivating force amongst irgun deir yassin massacre part strategy intimidate palestinians flee jewish homeland , contrary belief , many civilians killed deir yassin later advertized jews perpetrated useful getting many palestinians leave palestinians rightfully scared , want another deir yassin i'm necessarily condemning israelites atrocities committed part arabs israelophiles careful thinking good guys middle east arab jew suck equally rj3s , say evidence motivated irgun attack dir yassin strategic importance fact , begin , charge irgun , wrote dir yassin attacked military significance dir yassin merely battle war liberation people died thing never intended tragedy war crime irgun harry
adobe \( andrea bruno \) subject thyroidal deficiency organization adobe systems incorporated lines 8 article mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com \( eileen bauer \) writes thyroxin controls energy production explains , coldness , weight gain also water retention \( possibly around heart \) , changes vision , hair skin among things relation thyroid deficiency depression \?
jcj tellabs com \( jcj \) subject people become atheists \? organization huh \? whuzzat \? lines 15 article may 7 01 09 44 1993 14556 athos rutgers edu muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu \( maxwell c muir \) writes think give amatuer \) , would happy proven wrong problem , proven wrong sound broken \? absolutely went journey lukewarm christianity , agnosticism , atheism , agnosticism , \( although know faith less \) christianity think 's path many us take jeff johnson jcj tellabs com
chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu \( shawn fitzgerald \) subject quadra 900 startup w monitor ya right organization umcc , ann arbor , mi lines 27 nntp posting host umcc umcc umich edu article 1993apr20 tdb uu se mats bredell udac uu se writes shawn fitzgerald \( chungkuo umcc umcc umich edu \) wrote fix \? quadra 900 finish startup unless monitor connected would problem , since 're running file server , need monitor connected time 've seen control panel made n't remember name , saw , quadra models work know exists \) mats mats bredell mats bredell udac uu se uppsala university computing center \( udac \) ph 46 18 department medical systems fax 46 18 sweden think straight gay ! poke around u archives see find something anyone else finds , please post location ! \) \? shawn fitzgerald umcc \( u computing club \) michigan chungkuo umcc umich edu whether quiet alive , quiet dead makes difference
aurora alaska edu subject cad program electronics \? organization university alaska fairbanks lines 12 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu article zephyr grace cri nz , srgxnbs grace cri nz writes want cad program draw diagrams dragging elements onto screen , elements needed diverse vacuum tubes ics \( case pins \) try , windows shareware object oriented use high quality output bruce look spice pspice
zippy com \( john switzer frame 3 0 \) subject cmos checksum error nntp posting host zippy organization network equipment technologies , redwood city lines 22 article 5v ulowell ulowell edu cs ulowell edu \( michael cook \) writes recently , getting cmos checksum error first turn computer n't happen everytime turn , predict going happen ami bios setting lost , example drive types password options however , date time remain correct anyone knows causing , please let know likely reason backup battery failing battery maintains contents cmos memory ac power turned , battery contents cmos lost checksum wrong \( along cmos data \) try replacing battery , however , pc n't use battery large capacitor power cmos , check see replace capacitor normal lithium battery n't possible , make sure leave pc half hour hour day keep capacitor charged 'd opt battery change , though 's also possible , unlikely rogue problem even virus corrupting cmos battery seems okay , get virus scanner check system
tknuth bio ri ccf org \( todd \) subject \? nntp posting host bio ri ccf org reply tknuth bio ri ccf org organization cleveland clinic foundation lines 24 article news cso uiuc edu , uxa cso uiuc edu \( underdog \) writes anyone tell call left handed pitchers dont know story comes fact , batter faces northeast pitcher mound , left arm south , hence term \? also story term originated thanks ! ! go cubs ! prediction finish 500 year without winning east
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject '91 toyota camry 9800 organization lehigh university lines 21 1991 toyota camry deluxe model 5 sp power windows power door locks power steering power brakes fm cassette 70k highway miles excellent condition 9800 \( 914 \) 335 day \( 5pm \) \( 609 \) 397 2147 \( \) ask bob fusi rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu e mail call info
wolfe wolves durham nc us \( g wolfe woodbury \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict organization red wolfe wolves den lines 38 x md4 signature wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) writes article 1993apr14 lynx dac northeastern edu , tfarrell lynx dac northeastern edu \( thomas farrell \) said good case \? f king good case \? defense lawyer asked victim questions like kind sexual participate \? think made good case \? \? \? \? \? speaking someone 's six weeks 6 , 900 tuition bill away becoming unemployed law degree , 'd really like see transcript trial 'd especially like know happened immediately defense attorney asked question \( assuming reports accurate i'm accusing tom farrell making anything , sort case garbled misquotes , false rumors urban legends like \) 'd nice think prosecutor objected \( irrelevant , prejudicial , inflammatory take pick \) judge upheld objection watched televised trial , answer statements made defense atty , prosecutor object , judge tended sustain ones obviously falling self incrimination type objection quite bit meta discussion trial use graphic language , folks asking judge wanted hear exact language practically every time defense tried get plaintiffs self incriminate asking questions , objections one point defense managed get quip felony judge said sustained prosecutor could get objection stated g wolfe woodbury wolves den , durham nc site affiliated wolfe wolves durham nc us duke university ! idiots ! uucp ! duke ! wolves ! wolfe standard disclaimers apply , celebrate ! celebrate circle , statement purpose
fester island com \( mike fester \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization usr local rn organization lines 17 article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu inde7wv rosie uh edu writes understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? possible , split lanes even n't get way head line , least wo n't rear ended always worry i'm lane , front line , one behind keep eye mirrors also get ready pull hard right , case mike disclaimer opiini h h damn ! h h q w q wq wq ! x \? exit x q c \? quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit ! quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x \? help helpquit ! ! man help c c e ! help exit \? quit \? q ctrlshftdel hey , stop l1a
starfighter den mmc com \( michael \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days keywords hst organization martin marietta astronautics group lines 24 nntp posting host starfighter den mmc com regarding feasability retrieving hst repair \( caution speculation mode engaged \) another consideration n't mentioned yet expect retrieving hst would involve considerably order return cradle cargo bay deployed items \( antennas , especially , solar \) probably retractable fully position , even hand would removed astronauts \( advantage might yield could put new panels n't due thermal cycle stresses \) also expect , discussed , landing loads hst optics structure big issue \( reentry loads much less \) optical components even caged \( assume caged launch \) \? michael starfighter den mmc com gn c r martin marietta astronautics views , martin marietta 's
fig ucsb edu \( lowell r snyder \) subject tempest distribution na lines 13 angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu \( kirill shklovsky \) writes article 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) writes heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? anything emissions problem , right video cable given right equipment , pick screen paint cable , given cable , must know sent know format signal , well many wires , etc
kelsey comm mot com \( joe kelsey \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization motorola , mobile data division seattle , wa lines 53 skeena ucs ubc ca lindholm ucs ubc ca \( george lindholm \) writes article skeena ucs ubc ca , lindholm ucs ubc ca \( george lindholm \) writes article 123645 netnews upenn edu bradley grip cis upenn edu \( john bradley \) writes first patch \) following fixes problems imakefile files makes possible compile xv 3 00 solaris without use ucb stuff oops , n't get signal processing right \( thats get work ascii terminal \) fixed patch patches xv h need use `` ifdef rather overly complex `` defined \( sun \) defined \( sysv \) '' order compile xv also , rand srand n't work well use get better results otherwise , xv 3 00 compiles fine esix system v 4 0 4 box xfree86 gcc 2 3 3 gcc definition makefile , added l usr x386 lib usr x386 include copts line modified libs include lsocket lnsl really john , use imakefile things like n't even get mentioned 1 1 1993 04 28 08 33 13 xv h 1993 04 28 17 47 38 284 , 292 284 , 298 signal macros ifdef svr4 define hold sig \( sigalrm \) define release sig \( sigalrm \) define pause sig sigpause \( sigalrm \) else define hold sig sigblock \( \( sigalrm \) \) define release sig sigblock \( 0 \) define pause sig sigpause \( 0 \) endif default folks 318 , 323 324 , 333 define random rand define srandom srand endif ifdef svr4 define random define srandom endif
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject hate sin organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 26 interesting point bible n't say hate sin tells avoid sin , resist sin , even , necessary , denounce sin hate michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi following passages talk god people god approves hating sin action ps 119 113 also talks hating sinner believe passages would talk hating someone evil , n't turn search \( word hate kjv , though 've passage nrsv \) ps 97 10 , 101 3 , 105 25 , 119 104 , 113 , 128 , 163 , , 139 21 22 6 16 , 8 13 isa 61 8 amos 5 15 8 17 rev 2 6 clh
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject israel apartheid state \? quite distribution world organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 40 article early bird think com shaig think com \( shai guday \) writes article spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes arabs cabinet look long took insignificant positions assigned ! based solely race political belief security jewish members party always welcome fellow arabs first , arab standing party , party , solely dependent upon amount political power wield effectively question individuals standing party puts arab cabinet post arab rejected position given jew party talking power racism would care deny happened several occasions labour \? past , effective votes forming single bloc knesset occasions done , parties took stands extremist , precluded forming coalition participating cabinet party individuals even belong nice peaceful zionist mainstream parties welcome arabs excluded security grounds excuse sure looks like racism arabs excluded cabinet , even things suggest , arabs unless course better reason \? happy listen good reason leftist jew less security risk leftist arab party look present cabinet joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) subject thoughts christians organization cat mat x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 19 wed , 21 apr 1993 08 16 14 gmt sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) wrote article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu conner 's questioning afterlife reason many joined early xian church well , remember jacoby 's talks cite one source i'm sure christians read book addition social experiences raised educated lutheran , lot christian friends , even played two christian rock bands ! mean 's \? mike mcangus truth still truth mam mouse cmhnet org even choose ignore \( old sig viruses still best \)
astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) subject without justice n't last last opportunity peace organization nysernet , inc lines 18 seems , keep peace talks going , israel keep making goodwill gesture goodwill gesture , palestinian arabs continue go around hunting jews peace talks going realistic chance success , arabs going start , especially since ones getting tangible concessions return giving intangibles keep trying change already agreed upon rules , seems one favorite games , israelis likely confident intangibles receive bargaining table worth 're written takes two negotiate peace 's time arabs start share alan h stein astein israel nysernet org
keith radio nl nuwc navy mil subject dec aa pc keyboard sale x received usenet pa dec com id fri , 23 apr 93 09 42 48 0700 x received inet gw 1 pa dec com id fri , 23 apr 93 09 42 43 0700 x misc forsale usenet lines 22 dec aa pc keyboard sale automatically senses machine type switches xt modes exact key layout dec 's , , etc , dec names keys well pc names standard xt cable included great use terminal emulator keys correct place \( e gold , , etc \) perfect condition , good feel 130 shipping \( dec price around 300 \) send email questions thanks , keith keith radio nl nuwc navy mil
iastate edu \( kevin l rens \) subject christian reformed organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 7 anyone belong know facts christian reformed church \? 's one two major heirs dutch reformed tradition u reformed church america crc less rca unclear reference exactly differences clh
gowen jade tufts edu \( g lee owen \) subject encapsulated postscript x reply sirosh cs utexas edu 's message 30 apr 1993 03 26 21 0500 lines 18 organization tufts university medford , view eps files x \? image color encapsulated postscript , need view screen several ways available pageview \( think came system , ca n't point \) , ghostview \( ghostscript \) , new xv 3 00 package recommend latter two , especially xv want conversion utilities let convert encapsulated postscript plain postscript \? i'm sure offhand , attempt mail comp lang postscript faq , list utilities greg owen gowen forte cs tufts edu , gowen jade tufts edu systems programmer ta , tufts university computer science dept personal info gcs go p c g w w x email explanation interested
icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) subject baseball spanish organization computer science department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 6 originator icop csa recently , heard red sox spanish speaking radio station thought unreal red sox spanish \? anyway , want find widespread \? ny native , know spanish think la , sd , texas fla spanish spanish speaking networks local
csuohio edu \( carl j \) subject test ignore organization cleveland state university x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 3 ignore
peter trl oz au \( peter k campbell \) subject virtual reality x cheap ! organization telecom research labs , melbourne , australia lines 28 ridout bink plk af mil \( brian ridout \) writes article 1993apr15 mfltd co uk , sts mfltd co uk \( steve sherwood \( x5543 \) \) writes anyone got multiverse work \? built 486 svr4 , mips sun sparcstation seems many bugs simply nothing \( fixing bug variable defined twice two different modules one needed setting static else client core dumped \) steve extn 5543 , sts mfltd co uk , ! uunet ! mfocus ! sts 've tried compiling several sparcstations gcc 2 22 fixing bugs \( 3 missing constant definitions plus couple things \) got compile link , starting client server get black window sometimes client core dumps , sometimes server , sometimes get broken pipe , sometimes sits nothing although occassionally get cursor become cross hair dog fight , 's 've sent word author plus fix last week , reply yet peter k campbell p campbell trl oz au
eng eng fsu edu subject softpc question organization fsu college engineering lines 4 could someone give info soft pc work \? kind performance expect \? run windows adequately \? info appreciated
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 29 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 1564 news columbia edu , rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) writes decide windy ride \? 's windy stand 're road high winds , stay alert even alert alert 'cause 're motorcycle 're kill kind alert aware terrain , may funnel wind sudden gusts \( well , gusts somebody standing , 's 'cause ride \) riding steady , aware hill block wind , adjust lean angle aware passing trucks side , lean angle change dramatically enter leave cone reducing profile may help , ie , lean gas tank kiss triple clamp keep nimble hand steering , ready countersteer sudden wind bursts keep larger usual buffer zone , ahead behind , side , easily blown half lane react countersteering keep close eye traffic mirror , someone coming wanting pass , get way early stop often short brakes , extensive riding high winds mentally physically ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject laser discs forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 17 following laser discs forsale original covers excellent condition , 've watched many times ca n't see watching i'm asking 20 per disc terminator road warrior hook ghost cop repo man stone lost boys dark man prince thieves total recall ask 3 h first laser disc , buy one 3 cover
cmk athena mit edu \( charles kozierok \) subject bosox win ! \( 5 2 seattle \) organization massachusetts institute technology lines 27 nntp posting host electric monk mit edu article jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu \( dark wing duck ! ! \) writes last night , boston red sox win 11 games 14 games beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch dominate walked least 6 man first 6 greenwell hit homeruns red sox prevail clemens struggled control , also pretty shoddy umpiring fair , walks early game , adjusted also helped \( dare say \? \) pretty good defense sox , including rivera playing second , normal position actually , clemens pretty lucky got win , considering sox almost gave lead bottom 7th mo 's error catching throw think game must win red sox seattle , considering darwin faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight must win \? april \? 've already 4 games far anyone thought would point season hope people n't getting caught streak 's fun , teams 11 3 streaks time , start season get much attention charles
ernet \( parikh \) subject help wanted pinouts oki , organization national centre software technology , bombay lines 7 anybody send pinouts real time clock ic oki semiconductors , wish know ic oki inbuilt crystal rather external 32 crystal thanks advance parikh ernet
nyx cs du edu \( matt \) subject \? required file format word ms window file \( doc \) x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept distribution usa lines 29 article kee netcom com cosmos netcom com \( cosmos \) writes hi ! trying develop utility view word window file need know format doc \( word window file format \) files anybody tell format doc file direct get format \? help greatly appriciated thanks , format word windows doc files available microsoft call developer support services number \( sorry , n't handy \) ask word windows binary file format spec warning terribly useful , need lot looking figure stuff stored general primer word windows stores data two chunks first chunk actual text file stored together nothing text graphics second chunk formatting information general use , read word windows file , skip first 384 bytes file \( general header \) read remaining text hit binary data matt
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject societal basis morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 49 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 1993apr20 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) writes asked look , way back anyway \) reply cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) morals come societally accepted , follow \? right expect others follow notion societally mandated morality \? pardon extremism , could n't murder brother say exercising rights saw , felt good , n't want anyone forcing morality , n't follow morality \? believe morality subjective person entitled moral attitudes mine priori correct someone elses mean however must judge another basis rather moral standards entitled believe moral sense tells , rest society entitled pass laws spelling punishments behavior offensive majority \? last statement \? authority \? criminals see behavior moral may realize immoral care thus following moral system immoral someone lay claim alternative moral system , must sincere belief must internally consistent \? last statement things necessary \? believe , belief terrorism sincere frighteningly consistent sociopaths lack innate moral sense thus may incapable behaving morally someone like hitler may believed actions moral , may judge immoral standards holding morality subjective mean must excuse murderer trouble , would sound fine coming someone like hitler , \( mean comparison offence , david \) try substituting social minority choice , , logical difference someone like , vs someone like hitler zero sum frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
messina netcom com \( tony \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization messina software lines 36 grebyn com \( marc \) writes messina netcom com \( tony \) writes ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes preferred applications development platform 1992 1993 unix 18 28 dos msw 24 18 development \? house apps \? maybe , certainly apps sold open market statistics like laughable , actually , might surprised find everyone develops mainstream dos windows apps develops dos windows pc week recently printed rumor microsoft 's excel development group development os 2 believe , nice piece swamp development microsoft even windows another trade rag article recently group windows development sun sparcstations softpc test work n't geo works , \? \) dos windows simply robust stable enough development work , imho , apparently others agree nonsense sorry , make fun windows time , simply myth tell microsoft , novell others dominate market
csympc scs leeds ac uk \( p \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university leeds , school computer studies lines 9 originator csympc article 1993may14 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes also think large number attackers call highly technical look around real world people n't want grep auck ls l want push buttons get mean grep \( unix case dependent \) awk \( get auck \? \) mark \)
jja2h virginia edu \( \) subject yankee fears organization university virginia lines 8 anyone pick worst yankee pitcher past 12 years many name steve mean try throw ball catcher trout \? jonathan uva
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject maxima chain wax nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 19 article 93apr20 211127 44984 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km 'd try vfr , goddamn competition accessories n't mailed order yet hell , 's two weeks ordering pretty bizzare stuff like clear rf 200 face sheild , chain wax bastards dean dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
strobl gmd de \( wolfgang strobl \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host organization gmd , , germany lines 22 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes brian grier \( bjgrier bnr ca \) wrote computer users world ms product symbolize quality ms made life easier , productive quality care innovative things ms done , make life computer one heck lot easier may know better computer users world change perception none changes fact msw3 1 objectively inferior competition indeed true prefer windows nt certainly much better microsoft windows 3 1 dos \( wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de \( 49 2241 \) 14 gmd fuer mathematik und ` ` , p box 1316 , include \( \) \( \) w , germany std disclaimer hpp
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject genocide 204 , 000 azeri people armenians 1988 1992 reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 172 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes treatment armenians azeri 's equals treatment bosnian muslims getting bosnian serbs result living alternate universe 'arromdians' asala sdpa arf terrorism revisionism triangle ' real \? final goodbye azerbaijan photo associated press cemetery agdam , azerbaijan , family members friends burial victims killed fighting nagorno karabagh , right , hugged coffin containing remains brother , one victims copy koran lay atop coffin new york times , 3 6 92 final embrace photo associated press , right , coffin holding remains brother relatives grieve cemetery yesterday amid burial victims killed fighting nagorno karabagh washington post , 3 6 92 nagorno karabagh victims buried azerbaijani town refugees claim hundreds died armenian attack seven bodies seen today , two children three women , one shot chest appeared close range another 120 refugees treated agdam 's hospital include many multiple stab wounds thomas goltz washington post , 2 28 92 armenians burn azeri village new unrest armenian guerillas attacked strategic azeri village nagorno karabagh burned ground tuesday , commonwealth television reported channel one television said village , district , cut large number wounded left stranded itar tass news agency said several people killed 20 wounded attack village tass also said shells fired armenian villages azeri populated town , 6 miles south , demolished two houses damaged five others fierce fighting flared two weeks ago following crash azeri helicopter karabagh 40 people died \( reuters \) turkish daily news , 2 12 92 cis commander pulls troops karabagh , reuter correspondent agdam , reported battle wednesday , azeris burying scores people died armenians town khojaly , second biggest azeri settlement area 'the world turning back 's happening dying watching , ' one shouted group journalists helen independent , 2 29 92 armenian soldiers massacre hundreds fleeing families attackers killed soldiers volunteers defending women children turned guns terrified refugees survivors later described happened 's real slaughter began , ' said , one three soldiers survive 'the armenians shot shot came started carving people bayonets knives ' 45 year old man shot back said ' walking brush opened us people falling around wife fell , child thomas goltz sunday times , 3 1 92 armenian raid leaves azeris dead fleeing 1 , 000 khojaly 's 10 , 000 people killed tuesdays attack azerbaijani television showed corpses evacuated khocaly area brian killen \( reuters \) washington times , 3 2 92 atrocity reports azerbaijan azeri officials returned seen town nine miles away brought back three dead children , backs heads blown children scalped , ' said assad , aide karabagh 's azeri governor azeri television showed pictures one truckload bodies brought azeri town agdam , faces apparently scratched knives eyes gouged brian killen \( reuters \) washington times , 3 3 92 massacre armenians reported republic armenia reiterated denials militants killed 1 , 000 azeris dozens bodies scattered area lent credence azerbaijani reports massacre \( reuters \) new york times , 3 3 92 killings nagorno karabagh , journalists area reported seeing dozens corpses , including civilians , azerbaijani officials said armenians began shooting sought recover bodies fred hiatt washington post , 3 3 92 bodies mark site karabagh massacre local truce enforced allow azerbaijanis collect dead refugees still hiding hills forest bodies ordinary people , dressed poor , ugly workers 31 saw one policeman two apparent national volunteers wearing uniform rest civilians , including eight women three small children two groups , apparently families , fallen together , children women 's arms several , including one small girl , terrible head injuries face left survivors told saw armenians shooting point blank lay ground anatol lieven times \( london \) , 3 3 92 karabagh survivors flee mountains , deputy mayor khocaly , said armenian troops surrounded town 7 pm tuesday accompanied six seven light tanks armoured carriers 'we thought would bombard village , past , retreat attacked , defence force could n't anything tanks ' survivors described fired repeatedly way mountains safety 'for two days crawled way avoid gunfire , ' said daughter killed battle khodjaly , brother son died road anatol lieven times \( london \) , 3 3 92 corpses litter hills karabagh swooped low snow covered hills nagorno karabagh saw scattered corpses apparently , refugees shot ran suddenly thump azerbaijani helicopter fired armenian anti aircraft post anatol lieven times \( london \) , 3 4 92 police western azerbaijan said recovered bodies 120 azerbaijanis killed fled armenian assault disputed enclave nagorno karabagh said blocked recovering bodies wall street journal , 3 4 92 exiting troops attacked nagorno karabagh withdrawal halted armenians blamed video footage reports khocaly paint grim picture widespread civilian deaths mutilation one woman 's feet appeared bound paul quinn judge boston globe , 3 4 92 \( continued \) serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) subject imake tex looking beta testers organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host tommy informatik uni dortmund de announced x technical conference january , would like make imake tex , imake support using tex typesetting system , publically available currently imake tex beta test computer science department dortmund university , looking beta testers , preferably different tex imake installations dipl inform rainer klute r b immer richtig beraten univ dortmund , irb postfach 500500 \) tel 49 231 755 4663 w4600 dortmund 50 fax 49 231 755 2386 new address june 30th univ dortmund , 44221 dortmund
urc kun nl \( ronald \) subject dont harddisk type 47 nntp posting host urc kun nl organization lines 15 hello , friend mine commodore 386sx 've put machine second harddisk , 100 200 mb problem 200mb harddisk n't supported bios alas 's user type 47 setup moment use type getting bad blocks harddisk question knows solution \? 've seen small program byte , n't able find would work , used programs quite lot xt days , n't anymore , seagate used ship drive sold help greatly appreciated ronald r uci kun nl
jack acs2 bu edu subject sale misc computer parts radar detector distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 183 originator jack acs2 bu edu following computer items sale item condition price \( \) color ega card monitor working 180 00 monitor made zenith \( b \) \( 3 \) 80ns simms mt working 25 00 \( 16 \) 256k 80ns simms oki working 3 00 \( 4 \) 256k 100ns simms working 2 75 \( 4 \) 256k 100ns simms motorola working 2 75 \( 4 \) 256k simms nec working 2 50 note simms left numerous macintosh upgrade years questions one fits mac , please mail back \( c \) \( 2 \) ast card 512k working 25 00 could upgraded 2m dram item \( \) \( \) \( 54 \) 256k 100ns dram ti working 0 50 \( 36 \) 256k 100ns dram oki working 0 50 \( 18 \) 256k 100ns dram working 0 50 \( e \) compaq classic portable computer working 150 00 2 360k floppy drives amber 9 inch screen 256k ram \( f \) \( 2 \) serial card working 10 00 \( g \) western digital disk controller working 30 00 wd1003 wah 16 bit card floopy harddisk \( h \) logitech 3 buttons mechanical working 20 00 serial mouse \( \) \( 1 \) full size case working 35 00 power supply \( 1 \) full size case working 60 00 power supply original case ast premium 286 computer , could 5 half height devices \( three could floopy drives , tape drive etc \) also including original 286 motherboard condition unknown \( j \) \( 2 \) 1 2m 5 25 floopy drive working 30 00 \( 1 \) 1 44 3 5 floopy drive working 38 00 \( k \) adaptec 1542b scsi adapter brand new 220 00 \( l \) wangtek scsi working 200 00 1 4 tape drive \( \) 1 2 height 40m mfm drive working 100 00 miniscribe \? 1 2 height 40m mfm drive working 100 00 seagate st 251 1 1 2 height 20m mfm drive working 50 00 seagate \( n \) prodigy start kit brand new 45 00 pc 24 96 data fax modem following items selling , unknown condition , either never get work never try hook \( \) ega card unknown 5 00 \( p \) multi function game clock unknown 5 00 parallel serial port card \( q \) monochrome graphics 132 columns unknown 5 00 graphics card \( r \) cdc 344 scsi drive unknown 150 00 \( q \) miniscribe 20m scsi drive unknown 15 00 \( r \) prodigy start kit unknown free \( \) \( 2 \) ast 3g plus chip unknown 2 00 \( \) seagate 80m mfm drive unknown 80 00 model st 4096 bought radar detector couple years ago obvious reason \( \) never past 3 years n't drive work anymore would rather sell \( u \) 425 radar detector working 30 00 x k bands would like buy items , please mail jack acs bu edu also , 10 automatic discount apply total purchase price 100 \( except two brand new items \) buyer \( \) pay shipping think prices listed unrealistic , please mail back would take advice consideration make proper adjustments reason selling stuff decided enough hobby pc computing want move interests one last thing , know non profit organization might interested , please let know one wants buy , might well donate get tax break thanks jack jack acs bu edu bitnet jack c chan boston university arpa jack bu bu edu internet jack bu bu edu
leapman austin ibm com \( scott leapman \) subject car alarms one \? originator leapman junior austin ibm com reply login austin ibm com organization ibm austin lines 9 get another discussion relative merits car alarm , let 's go assumption one desired question remains , one \? 've owned , satisfied , enough get another new car alpine highly recommended , clifford 's 2 \? others \? want standard stuff door lock interface , starter kill , light flash , led , mode , passive active , shock motion sensor , etc thanks advice !
powlesla acs ucalgary ca \( jim powlesland \) subject pict , epsf , etc map italy nntp posting host acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 16 article bitnet bitnet writes anybody know get graphic \( mac pict , epsf , tiff , gif , whatever \) italy \? i'm looking picture map italy \( even map italy showing states provinces \( \? \) freehand 3 1 windows clip art collection corel draw 3 0 clip art outline map italy jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary ca academic computing services voice \( 403 \) 220 university calgary message \( 403 \) 220 6201 calgary , alberta canada t2n 1n4 fax \( 403 \) 282 9199
hambidge bms com subject atf burns dividian ranch update reply hambidge bms com organization bristol myers squibb distribution usa lines 14 article 8mg news cso uiuc edu , irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes , though , black soot billowing outside compound added fast fire spread someone dousing large parts compound sort gasoline fire starter experience , seeing couple houses burn , one n't need get lot black soot 's plenty stuff house burn even asphalt would make really smoke al standard disclaimer
mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) subject yamaha locks \( cobra lock \) nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bnr ottawa , dms software design lines 15 article 1993apr21 hemlock cray com , ant palm21 cray com \( tony jones \) writes anyone experience \( new \? \) yamaha cyclelok \? oooo , hope 's nothing like seca turbo locked back wheel forgot took heard , drove away leaving lock broken ground real security action beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking !
ux1 cso uiuc edu \( george \) subject strange messages starting windows organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 50 distribution usa nntp posting host ux1 cso uiuc edu recently acquired gateway 2000 machine , starting windows , three copyright statements flash screen right ms logo disappears takes happen machines , wondering whether feature whether related several problems machine system gateway 2000 , 4dx 33 machine messages appear \( c \) copyright 1989 1992 western digital corporation rights reserved \( c \) copyright 1985 1992 congruent corporation rights reserved \( c \) copyright 1985 1992 microsoft corporation rights reserved autoexec bat file looks like echo prompt p g set mouse c c mouse path c c dos c windows c 123 c f apps f system f f public set temp c windows temp lh n 0x62 5 lh winpkt 0x60 0x62 lh ipx lh netx f login login win config sys file looks like device c windows himem sys dos high , umb device c windows emm386 exe noems x d000 stacks 9 , 256 files 50 buffers 30 shell c dos command com p e 1024 anyone know going \? help would much appreciated department urban regional planning e mail uiuc edu university illinois urbana champaign tel 217 244
freenet carleton ca \( micah lax \) subject help bios upgrade compaq 286 deskpro reply freenet carleton ca \( micah lax \) organization national capital freenet lines 27 howdy , recently upgraded original bios compaq deskpro 286 12 phoenix replacement bios , order support ide hard drive , high density 3 5 floppy assumed would plug play procedure , encountered problem phoenix compaq unwilling admit responsibilty , wondering anyone else seen everything except 3 5 floppy , read , write diskettes write attempt merely corrupts tried everything think takers \? micah h lax freenet carleton ca micah bnr ca internet
rchland vnet ibm com \( \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host daytona rchland ibm com organization ibm rochester lines 32 article world std com , tti world std com \( joachim martillo \) writes article cobra cs unm edu melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) writes muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement dope ! value mohammed elabdellaoui western university third worldist islamic brain rot made impossible acquire analyze facts appropriately go back mindlessly stupid 3rd world country brain business civilized first world country joachim carlo santos martillo ajami joachim restrained involvement flame wars comments however make long days flame warrior would hope would refrain idiotic slander \( formerly madison \) p might drop formerly become old madison note standard disclaimer
steph cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject braves update ! ! organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 43 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes thrown gant legitimate beef 1 0 pitch called strike reasonable umpire would tried force gant back box situation reasonable umpire would 's instructed season get batters back box sooner try cut ridiculous length games one glad see happen , hope umpires hirschbeck pitcher pitch batter wo n't get back box see want cut time spent walking around , gant n't ordered back box sooner , ordered back immediately soon stepped , hirschbeck told get back box , gant n't take lot walks pitches reason bothered call expect concentration n't yet , crucial situation imagine 's best calm possible contributing factors would gant 's bad day plate , bad year plate , braves long scoring drought , 's pretty stupid go ahead talk walk umpire telling get know umpire going something \( call strike , throw , etc \) gant wrong hirschbeck wrong , biased view aside major chip seemed shoulder , problem gant reason want time \( disputed strike call \) gant n't wasting time game game cruising along , two hours old score 1 0 , 2 outs ninth runner scoring position reason hirschbeck could n't , n't , cut gant little slack \? discernible constructive reason , hirschbeck disrupted game , caused five minute delay , hurt batter key situation date get \? still wonder terry tossed earlier game dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
tmc spartan ac brocku ca \( tim ciceran \) subject best ftp viewer please organization brock university , st catharines ontario x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 19 situnaya ibm3090 bham ac uk wrote could someone please tell best viewer available msdos running 486 33mhz svga monitor need look gifs mainly would advantageous ran windows thanks ftp wuarchive wustl edu , change mirrors msdos graphics get grfwk61t zip dos version graphic workshop windows version could probably find mirrors msdos windows3 directory n't know file name tmc \( tmc spartan ac brocku ca \)
higgins fnalf fnal gov \( bill higgins beam jockey \) subject like dc x \( shuttle 0 defects bizarre \? dc x \? \) organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines 90 nntp posting host fnalf fnal gov ken arguments thoughtful going big boys 're tackling henry allen sherzer doubtless chime subject operational costs , good luck , son article hsc usc edu , khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes shuttle method free world orbiting large life sciences medical related packages ahem russians free world , least would politically correct contend hopeful dc x , whatever follow eventually called , perform state right , must admit skeptical ever tough make dc x succeed , turn operational orbital vehicle doubtless fail meet promised goals reason people fond 's chance , long time come , develop launch vehicle radically lower costs shuttle successor funded development , nasp away , als nls spacelifter sure hell n't gonna knock 2000 3000 per pound cost part blame must placed shuttle program consumes many annual billions , er , free world 's available space cash doubt hear many correspondents days come \( dc x attempt break vicious cycle keeping development costs low flying incremental x plane hardware 's , mind , incredibly successful already 've built complex prototype 600 days 60 would extremely skeptical could accomplished 1990s america , never mind flying thing , getting successor funded , building dc i'm sure know well launch costs basic problem expansion astronautics n't see realistic prospect beating costs , multi ton payloads , anywhere else dc flops , 'll business usual space nineties double look like seventies eighties , prospect depressing bear \( pegasus represents another assault problem different direction n't lower cost per pound offers orbital launch ten 's creating market small payloads \) read magazines 've attended last two plenty engineers paper ideas cheaper launch systems , good better ssto sign today 's world designs allowed anywhere near assembly line could change view dc x could prove following deleting things i'm going prove tonight 3 shuttle need go allow development man dc x successor strawman anybody seriously proposing \? references , please dc must developed real world funding climate , includes nasa committed continuing shuttle operations , well bird hand argument common sense tells dc flies , flies alongside shuttle , instead also , course , dc operational descendants useful wide variety jobs even man rated 4 importantly , dc x open leo scientific technical payloads dc x successor fly 10 , 000 kg payload 1m , even 5m , rather 40m costs , people able afford payloads money , fly several satellites instead one big fly multi satellite series little able fly spacecraft , instead begging ride supply demand able convince point 4 true , assuming dc makes big difference costs reason think \? \) ' ' , , ' , \) \( \) \( \) zap ! \( \) \( \) bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins fnal bitnet internet higgins fnal fnal gov span hepnet 43011 higgins
larc nasa gov \( rick \) subject form 3 model loom organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host larc nasa gov keywords 3 loom model hi folks , i'm animated film new loom research \( know , thing make cloth \) need model loom format ascii geometry fairly straight forward figure help pointers would greatly appreciated thanks rick rick \( larc nasa gov \) computer sciences corporation , hampton , va maybe could fly feed die tom marshall
com \( kenneth warren \) subject wife wants convertible organization net access bbs network lines 18 nntp posting host access com x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 's two cents best convertible money , imo , miata yes , 's small , 're buying second car , hope , n't need cargo room big car 's got enough power fun , 's like sports car ought \( i'm gonna regret \) top , manual , operates like dream 30 seconds one hand lower , much longer raise targa type cars nice , 're real convertibles ken warren secrets good life early nights , good food , excercise , clean living e mail com secrets happy life late nights , wild parties , sex , junk food !
organization penn state university christopher psuvm psu edu subject windows nt und x windows \? 1993apr29 mksol dseg ti com acsu buffalo edu lines 19 article acsu buffalo edu , mongwa acsu buffalo edu \( kan mongwa \) says anybody know whether windows nt include x windows server could add information 'no say instance source information source comment cd rom manuals march beta x windows server \? course \( even \) microsoft supplies one nt , vendors doubt port 's nt according recent newsletter hummingbird communications ltd , announced nt 93 announcement reads like , order price info would guess must rsn dev kit
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mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) subject new thought deuterocanonicals organization university illinois urbana lines 40 often times \( recently list last days \) 've heard passage revelation whoever adds sacred words book whoever removes words book used arguement books feel ridiculous two reasons 1 n't added later catholic church always part considered inspired scripture \( dealt previous postings reason repeat info \) 2 likely st john \( whomever \) wrote book revelation considered scripture thing holding hands ! one takes translation book rev 18 22 \( somewhere around \) mean scripture , us likely holding something violation command impossible exactly date scriptures , even n ones \( n't like date letters , guess \) really wish bible right get facts straight , believe several n letters , chief among 2 peter , likely date composition early second century revelation almost certainly written reign \( sp \? \) , 80 96 thus could argues sin accept 2 peter scripture , since added book composition revelation , told add nothing want get exact dates , get copy new american bible 'll try follow tomorrow remember mike walker uxa cso uiuc edu \( univ illinois \)
delgreco rahul net \( david f delgreco \) subject recommendation screen capture program keywords , screen capture , screen shot , windows nntp posting host bolero organization a2i network lines 34 i'm looking recommendations screen capture programs couple issues ago , pc mag listed editor 's choices conversion artist hijaak windows anyone experience others \? i'm trying get alpha manual next days , i'm making much progress screen shots \( i'm currently using i'm burn disks rode 's got lot bugs driving crazy tonight decided graphic writes tiff file 's certain arbitrary size , swap left right sides picture ! usually confines copying things clipboard \( save load pix editing paintbrush \) crashing every hour one nice thing , though , 's dither option 'd think would turn colors dots , go , say , 256 colors 16 colors go 256 16 colors b w , set threshold level colors turn black turn white , useful turn light grays buttons white , dark grays black , thereby preserve 3d effect buttons parts window understood description \) tell another \( less buggy ! \) program well \? much thanks help signature david delgreco lies behind us lies technically writer us tiny matters compared delgreco rahul net lies within us oliver wendell holmes david f delgreco delgreco rahul net
iastate edu \( n rajesh \) subject looking job software engineer keywords c c , gui , xvt , operating systems , computer networking reply iastate edu \( n rajesh \) organization iowa state university lines 194 sure supposed post mail however last year , involved developing graphical user interface \( gui \) applications , enjoyed personally part news group got interesting information helped work posting resuming hoping people working area would make time look hall , isu , ames , ia 50011 \( 515 \) 294 1525 april 29 , 1992 dear prospective employer seeking employment software engineer interests software design development , utilize experience hardware , c c programming , graphical user interface \( gui \) , operating systems computer networking received engineering \( \) degree electronics engineering 1990 degree electrical engineering dec 1992 iowa state university currently enrolled computer engineering iowa state university masters program , research assistant since jan 1991 , published three papers including one ieee transactions magnetics papers reflection quality research ability learn new concepts quickly involved many projects involving software developments extensive experience programming c , c , fortran assembly level also familiar operating systems like unix , ultrix ms dos familiar motif x programming currently , research assistant , involved graphical user interface \( gui \) design using gui toolkit xvt experiences also include areas operating systems computer networks , course work projects involved study design development internals operating system also involved many tcp ip programming projects computer networking college learnt importance clear concise communication also learned lot time management program maintained 3 70 grade average , worked 20 hours per week enjoyed involved many extra activities software experiences along hardware background \( electronics engineering \) would helpful career goals software engineer request qualifications may kindly reviewed would like interview discuss employment needs career goals eager hear soon sincerely n rajesh \( iastate edu \) resume n rajesh work residence 305 isu , hall , isu ames , ia 50011 ames , ia 50011 \( 515 \) 294 1525 e mail iastate edu objective obtain challenging position software engineer involving software design development , utilize experience hardware , c c programming , graphical user interface \( gui \) , operating systems computer networking education currently enrolled computer engineering , iowa state university , ames , iowa 50011 electrical engineering , iowa state university , ames , iowa 50011 \( dec 1992 \) gpa major 3 8 4 0 overall 3 7 4 0 thesis probability detection \( pod \) models eddy current evaluation \( nde \) methods \( project funded federal aviation administration \( faa \) \) b e electronics engineering , university , , india \( jan 1990 \) publications n rajesh , l udpa udpa , numerical model based approach estimating probability detection nde applications , ieee transactions magnetics , vol 29 , 2 , march 1993 n rajesh , l udpa udpa , estimation eddy current probability detection using 3d finite element model , presented 19th annual review progress quantitative evaluation , san diego , california \( jul 1992 \) n rajesh , l udpa , udpa n , probability detection models eddy current nde methods , presented 18th annual review progress quantitative evaluation , brunswick , \( jul 1991 \) relevant operating systems electronic devices circuits course computer network architecture pulse digital circuits work advanced computer communications artificial neural networks introduction supercomputing pattern recognition computer digital image processing organization digital signal processing computer technology integrated circuits design programming projects implementation fork system call operating system also involved implementation cpu scheduling algorithm taking consideration aging processes project involved study design development internals operating system design development interrupt driven keyboard driver project involved thorough understanding device drivers design development unix like tree structured directory allows creation subdirectories organization files accordingly project included implementation routines mkdir , , cd , ls rm support directory structure analysis methods congestion control computer networks implementation ford routing algorithm distributed network communication network nodes based udp project involved programming c simulation various digital logic functional units starting basic gates registers , counters , , , arithmetic logic unit \( alu \) project involved extensive c programming unix environment work research assistant , center nde , iowa state university , ames , experience ia 50011 \( aug 1992 present \) work involves development applications using graphical user interface \( gui \) toolkits familiar programming motif x environment recent work involves development gui applications , c , using portable gui toolkit xvt \( project supported nist \( national institute standards technology \) \) research assistant , center nde , iowa state university , ames , ia 50011 \( jan 1991 aug 1992 \) work involved developing software modeling electromagnetic nde techniques eddy current method also involved optimization code parallel computer cray \( project supported faa involved working close contact aircraft industry \( boeing \) \) engineer , indian telephone industries , india work involved design development microprocessor \( \) based programmable telephone used cordless telephones involved programming microprocessor control actions relays telephone circuit \( jan nov 1989 \) computer languages c , c , fortran , assembly level skills software motif x , xvt , computer graphics \( hoops \) , tcp ip programming , image processing utilities , sdrc ideas , autocad operating systems unix , , ultrix , ms dos systems dec series , hp sun workstations , macintosh , stellar parallel systems cray , ibm , , n cube honours iowa state university graduate college scholarship activities \( jan 1991 present \) ranked 42 20 , 000 students engineering entrance examination ensuring full scholarship , state , pursue 's degree current member ieee references available upon request
cruz stsci edu subject baseball logos available via anonymous ftp lines 31 organization space telescope science institute distribution world , na article 1993apr21 ac dal ca , arishem ac dal ca writes well , thanks matthew wall , major league baseball logos 've posting past number weeks home internet baseball archive get , ftp cc swarthmore edu , login anonymously per usual , cd baseball misc graphics directory gif files uuencoded versions available darren darren reiniger reiniger ug cs dal ca arishem ac dal ca centre marine geology , dalhousie university , halifax , n , canada people wonder generation going remind came first place successfully copied uuencoded versions logos local directory , tried gif files , said permission denied could explain , also execute uuencoded files \? thanks , ken ken cruz 1993 nfl champs dallas cowboys johns hopkins university 1993 mlb champs baltimore orioles baltimore , maryland 1993 star game oriole park camden yards
adaptive cs nps navy mil \( zyda res acct \) subject 3d head model \( , \) organization naval postgraduate school , monterey lines 40 k , sorry post question seems crop quite regularly group however yet get specific usefull \( context \) answer get hold 3d data head looking simple description head face easily converted , used , pov \( raytracer \) \( e 1500 polygons \) well , placing file ftp today contains several polygonal descriptions head , face , skull , , etc format files list vertices , normals , triangles various resolutions name data file includes number polygons , eg phred 1 3k contains 1300 polygons order get data via ftp following 1 \) ftp taurus cs nps navy mil 2 \) login anonymous , guest password 3 \) cd pub dabro 4 \) binary 5 \) get cyber tar z get data onto workstation 1 \) uncompress data tar z 2 \) tar data tar questions , please let know george dabro dabro taurus cs nps navy mil george cyberware labs dabro taurus cs nps navy mil
hoss panix com \( felix cat \) subject good place back surgery \? organization panix public access unix , nyc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 distribution usa lines 24 gary \( cbnewsg cb att com \) wrote hello , one quick question father back problem long time doctors diagnosed operation needed since lives mexico , wants know hospital anywhere united states particulary famous kind surgery , kind like houston reputation excellent doctors eye surgery additional info pointers appreciated whole lot ! one hospital new york city famous , namely hospital special surgery located upper east side manhattan want address phone let know , 'll get , dont know hand felix cat 0 0 wonderful , wonderful cat ! meow ! hoss panix com
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cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject question \? \? \? \? lines 11 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey distribution usa article 1993apr21 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes article frigate cis ohio state edu fields cis ohio state edu \( jonathan david fields \) writes probably stupid question new motorcycle scene n't really know anything dod \? setup site arnie skurow probably want see many faq 's 'll get oh well goes
ed cwis unomaha edu \( ed stastny \) subject ftp site \( \) gifs organization university nebraska omaha lines 18 cch coventry ac uk \( martin \) writes looking around ftp sites cannot find one good gif files could someone please tell ftp sites posses goods gifs wide range whatever , n't ftp sites listed sig wo n't like find really beg go ! please ! e ed stastny otis project , end process , sound news arts po bx 241113 ftp sunsite unc edu \( pub multimedia pictures otis \) omaha , ne 68124 1113 141 214 4 135 \( projects otis \) email ed cwis unomaha edu , ed sunsite unc edu
dave imax imax com \( dave \) subject ntsc horiz vert drive black burst \? keywords video organization imax corporation , mississauga canada lines 21 com \( jack powers \) writes would like hook cameras recently donated local community cable tv station sync inputs form horizontal vertical drive station sync black burst works fine boxes genlock style inputs anyone point design , article , whatever showing produce horizontal vertical drive signals \? check station 's master sync generator 'll probably find already horizontal vertical drive outputs n't used couple cables 're business another possibility find sync generator hd vd outputs genlock station sync , feed hd vd cameras neither possible , 'll build sync look circuit diagrams existing sync generators probably include circuitry want dave
wilson schaefer math wisc edu \( bob wilson \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization university wisconsin , madison distribution na lines 18 posted almost bad experience midwest micro news program sent one paragraph middle addition facts \( \) modems \( ordered two \) would n't work documented \( b \) tech person clue work , also turned \( c \) one two modems sent clearly used techs thought standard practice \( \) modems made three floppy drives quit working tape drive start running away incompetent one thing , sell used stuff new wo n't even apologize another stay away crooks ! bob wilson wilson math wisc edu
markw pspmf3 gpsemi com \( mark wilkinson ext 3443 \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows nntp posting host pspmf3 roborough gpsemi com reply wilkinson roborough gpsemi com organization gec semiconductors lines 24 hi , first time 've posted net , hope going right people i'm looking software packages run ibm pc clone allows display openlook motif windows pc idea use pc cheap x windows terminal use process engineers work anyone e mail recommended packages horror stories etc would greatful thanks advance mark wilkinson mark wilkinson e mail wilkinson roborough gpsemi com senior software engineer lincoln gpsemi com gec semiconductors roborough , plymouth , england
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 120 brian ceccarelli wrote \( 's \) kent , accusing evil things jesus accusing accusing accusing everyone , everyone world guilty whether one sees light seen light nothing whether evil things regardless kent sandvik responds hmm , seems core christianity , feel guilty think see coming kent jesus n't view guilt like modern colors feelings nothing guilt feelings arise state guilty feeling guilt exclusive feelings reaction guilt jesus talking guilt state , reaction let give example ever made mistake \? ever lied someone \? even little white lie \? ever claimed know something really n't know \? ever hated someone \? ever selfish \? guilty one \? answer course , yes guilty period jesus getting big surprise feelings even enter picture consider jesus 's use word guilt court uses jesus concerned everyone admit guilty imperfect bible calls state sinners bad things even thing wrong proof guilt sinners nature bad things sinners , therefore bad things sinner fact pleasant fact fact perfect calling us sinners emotional charge calling human guilty charged 's single personality save universal guilt feeling handle guilt one two ways acknowledge made mistake , learn , try meantime , punishing way jesus wants handle healthy way two , destructive way put , slap feel like crap , never forgive , force say thousand hail even suicide way jesus want us deal people fall category extent lives jesus business saving us guilt feeling jesus business showing us much loves us despite guilt jesus knows guilty n't new big deal wants realize sinful nature destroys relationship wants know , wants company immensely valuable jesus wants relationship , however , present sinful nature , incapable relationship god perfect cannot fit square peg round hole however , god provided way us change nature relationship god provided jesus , whosoever believes jesus , nature changed holy spirit move divine nature within lives us god communicate unifying holy spirit benefits endless divine nature living within us , see imperfections better head pass power holy spirit living us , power help us overcome shortcomings divine nature lives within us , understand profound bible passages never could understand divine nature lives within us , authority demonic forces lastly , divine nature lives within us , eternal life holy spirit eternal relationship jesus utmost importance life qualifies belong heavenly kingdom , relationship living god remember jesus said tail end matthew separated goats sheep many people last day ask , n't prophesy name miracles , good things name \? jesus say \? depart , never knew cornerstone christianity , kent jesus must know friend relationship jesus friend , counted among share inheritance heaven brian , tell secret , n't feel guilty , mistakes , regret , however 've never huge guilt feeling hanging shoulder good shows strong self image love second greatest commandment jesus taught people could said , common english , feeling guilty different meaning state guilt clear indication need certain personality type order believe adjust certain religious doctrines personality type opposite , easily attached certain world view system believe need personalities lot less ego , lot less self , lot unconditional love humans subscribe notion nice thing finally shake huge burden , shoulders feel far relaxed ! yes stated jesus said remember \? come , take yoke upon shoulders , burden light yoke used direct work relationship jesus , share yoke burdens life god side great advantage
oj world std com \( oliver jones \) subject xquerytree , , organization shawsheen software lines 24 article 1993may18 viewlogic com josh viewlogic com \( josh marantz \) writes application wants walk server window hierarchy , looking window specific property think happens xquerytree gives array n children , time get nth child window , destroyed get badwindow error , application exits make robust \? 've thought following 2 set x error handler back made offending call safe \? longjmp , return \? badwindow x protocol error write custom error handler exit \( 1 \) error handler return let program carry , using way go , never mind longjmp 3 register windows returned xquerytree hard
magnus acs ohio state edu \( justin \) subject mac software sale ! nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 22 following macintosh software sale email interested , complete descriptions prices negotiable , first offer asking price gets prices include first class , 2 day shipping ! ! ! \( outside u extra \) 20 expert color paint 20 25 25 30 \( accolade version , authorized milton bradley \) one one \( dr j bird \) 15 \( original version , 68000 machines \) 25 \( adult game \) strip poker 25 \( adult game \) justin \( magnus acs ohio state edu \) builders built buildings like write programs , first came along would destroy civilization
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject gun like american express car lines 87 organization university tennessee division continuing education article 1993apr20 grace rt cs boeing com atc boeing com \( richard \) writes article utkvm1 utk edu , veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article 1993apr14 grace rt cs boeing com atc boeing com \( richard \) writes directly contradicted nejm study compared crime seattle vancouver , b c non gun rates roughly cities difference violent crime rates almost totally gun related pointed study , critiques , \( two seperate articles james wright david kopel come mind \) pointed difference also almost entirely minority related , gun crime rate poor minorities \( blacks hispanics primarily \) compared white majority identical many people never read nejm article believe critique valid fact , study explores minority issue length cites studies back contention poverty , minority type , relevant factor violence statistics perhaps failed make clear minorities u correlate poverty n't good address , ignore minorities poverty tend go together vancouver consistantly poor population drawn along racial lines \? n't , assumptions able compare minority vs majority cities questionable best post hoc ergo propter hoc areas implemented gun control high rates true certain extent take washington c , gun control instituted crime problems true , crime proceeded explode afterwards similarly new york actually , n't know whether serious studies done cities usenet style statistical arguments serious , usually involving people sitting computers latest world almanac figures heard study washington , dc , seemed indicate significant drop gun related violence laws implemented heard gary kleck comment radio thought decline suicide rates related new laws , doubted affect gun related violence never seen report study , pro gun friends much say report remember , ca n't say crime increases indicate failure laws affect crime rates n't know whether rate increase would different without laws rate increase period several years remains unchanged , increases , think 's far jump say laws effective , ca n't sit say things would n't worse n't crystal ball neither however , road leads us place impossible critique action gets , might worse without , valid objection , i'm sure would amuse certain people end n't know whether laws prevented increase failed stop two fold increase 've got situation several options 1 \) crime rate decreased obviously gun control worked 2 \) crime rate remained would worse without gun control 3 \) crime rate increased perhaps laws prevented even bigger increase cute testing ground 've got responses support proposition gun control works question washington c increase violent gun crime rate greater pattern indicated prior implemented gun control laws , suggestion problem gun control laws designed control exist entirety prior gun control laws david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
ddn cbnews cb att com \( david \) subject waco organization distribution usa lines 32 n't want attack anyone 's personal opinions thus included articles seems incredibly ridiculous pompous someone sit back benefit hindsight point fingers clinton , reno , fbi , whomever first , knee jerk judgement facts quite point likely quite secondly , things improve pointing blame fingers pointing fingers destructive action everyone sat around pointing fingers time , nothing would get done nothing would ever get better despite tragedy , learn something approached constructive manner n't seem working together productive working one another \? thirdly , seems incredibly hypocritical place blame given benefit hindsight something made decisions benefit give courtesy acknowledging best could data , difficult situation responses gone far suggest actions done without regard lives people compound give break part solution problem 's opinion david
mark b subject could look organization university toronto chemistry department lines 12 yes , could look prefer post question net read somewhere long forgotten article used major league umps originally used help deaf ball player name dummy urban myth \? true \? gots ta know mark b alchemy chem utoronto ca
jupiter sun csd unb ca \( rocket \) subject nhl playoff leaders penalty mins april 22 , 1993 organization university new brunswick distribution rec sport hockey lines 328 player team gp g pts pim lemieux pit 3 4 2 6 2 0 francis pit 3 1 5 6 5 4 oates bos 3 0 6 6 1 2 yzerman det 2 3 2 5 3 0 coffey det 2 0 5 5 1 0 hunter 3 5 0 5 4 10 mogilny buf 3 4 1 5 3 4 thomas nyi 3 2 3 5 6 0 lapointe que 3 1 4 5 2 2 johansson 3 0 5 5 1 4 carson la 2 4 0 4 0 2 brown stl 2 1 3 4 1 2 fleury cal 2 1 3 4 0 19 g courtnall van 2 1 3 4 3 2 flatley nyi 2 0 4 4 3 2 macinnis cal 2 0 4 4 1 4 ferraro nyi 3 3 1 4 2 2 mceachern pit 3 3 1 4 4 8 neely bos 3 3 1 4 1 4 turgeon nyi 3 3 1 4 5 0 bellows mon 3 2 2 4 0 0 jagr pit 3 2 2 4 3 0 khmylev buf 3 2 2 4 3 0 khristich 3 2 2 4 0 2 hawerchuk buf 3 1 3 4 0 2 hogue nyi 3 1 3 4 3 2 juneau bos 3 1 3 4 0 6 k stevens pit 3 1 3 4 1 6 l murphy pit 3 1 3 4 2 0 lafontaine buf 3 1 3 4 2 0 ramsey pit 3 0 4 4 3 4 smehlik buf 3 0 4 4 4 2 noonan chi 2 3 0 3 0 0 gilmour tor 2 2 1 3 1 12 hull stl 2 2 1 3 0 0 otto cal 2 2 1 3 2 2 reichel cal 2 2 1 3 0 0 bure van 2 1 2 3 2 0 drake det 2 1 2 3 2 0 linden van 2 1 2 3 4 2 nieuwendyk cal 2 1 2 3 1 2 roberts cal 2 0 3 3 2 4 young que 3 3 0 3 3 0 b sweeney buf 3 2 1 3 2 4 stevens nj 3 2 1 3 2 4 tocchet pit 3 2 1 3 0 2 carpenter 3 1 2 3 0 6 j mullen pit 3 1 2 3 2 2 ronning van 2 2 0 2 4 0 suter cal 2 2 0 2 0 4 yawney cal 2 2 0 2 3 4 adams van 2 1 1 2 2 0 chiasson det 2 1 1 2 1 4 craven van 2 1 1 2 2 2 cullen tor 2 1 1 2 1 0 dahlquist cal 2 1 1 2 2 4 king win 2 1 1 2 2 2 racine det 2 1 1 2 6 14 rychel la 2 1 1 2 1 19 shanahan stl 2 1 1 2 0 4 sheppard det 2 1 1 2 2 0 sydor la 2 1 1 2 0 4 barnes win 2 0 2 2 1 2 emerson stl 2 0 2 2 0 0 gill tor 2 0 2 2 2 0 granato la 2 0 2 2 1 4 gretzky la 2 0 2 2 3 0 housley win 2 0 2 2 2 0 janney stl 2 0 2 2 0 0 king nyi 2 0 2 2 4 6 kozlov det 2 0 2 2 1 2 sandstrom la 2 0 2 2 4 4 shuchuk la 2 0 2 2 1 2 vaske nyi 2 0 2 2 1 0 damphousse mon 3 1 1 2 0 0 elynuik 3 1 1 2 1 0 guerin nj 3 1 1 2 0 4 hannan buf 3 1 1 2 2 8 holik nj 3 1 1 2 1 4 muller mon 3 1 1 2 0 0 sakic que 3 1 1 2 0 0 semak nj 3 1 1 2 2 0 sundin que 3 1 1 2 1 2 taglianetti pit 3 1 1 2 3 6 pit 3 1 1 2 1 6 barasso pit 3 0 2 2 0 2 bondra 3 0 2 2 1 0 carney buf 3 0 2 2 3 4 cavallini 3 0 2 2 0 2 desjardins mon 3 0 2 2 0 0 duchesne que 3 0 2 2 1 2 niedermayer nj 3 0 2 2 1 2 ricci que 3 0 2 2 3 2 ridley 3 0 2 2 1 0 u samuelsson pit 3 0 2 2 4 6 blake la 1 0 1 1 2 0 borschevsky tor 1 0 1 1 0 0 zelepukin nj 1 0 1 1 2 0 b mullen nyi 2 1 0 1 2 0 burr det 2 1 0 1 1 2 domi win 2 1 0 1 2 4 fedorov det 2 1 0 1 2 2 felsner stl 2 1 0 1 1 0 howe det 2 1 0 1 4 2 huddy la 2 1 0 1 1 0 kurri la 2 1 0 1 2 2 lefebvre tor 2 1 0 1 0 12 lidstrom det 2 1 0 1 1 0 lowry stl 2 1 0 1 1 2 mcsorley la 2 1 0 1 3 12 millen la 2 1 0 1 2 4 mironov tor 2 1 0 1 1 2 numminen win 2 1 0 1 2 0 paslawski cal 2 1 0 1 1 0 steen win 2 1 0 1 4 0 ysebaert det 2 1 0 1 0 0 anderson tor 2 0 1 1 2 2 berube cal 2 0 1 1 1 15 chelios chi 2 0 1 1 1 2 ciccarelli det 2 0 1 1 1 14 clark tor 2 0 1 1 0 6 dahl cal 2 0 1 1 2 6 dipietro mon 2 0 1 1 0 0 donnelly la 2 0 1 1 1 2 ellett tor 2 0 1 1 3 0 gallant det 2 0 1 1 1 4 k brown chi 2 0 1 1 1 0 kennedy det 2 0 1 1 1 0 larmer chi 2 0 1 1 0 0 matteau chi 2 0 1 1 1 2 mclean van 2 0 1 1 0 0 mcrae stl 2 0 1 1 1 2 murzyn van 2 0 1 1 2 0 musil cal 2 0 1 1 0 5 pearson tor 2 0 1 1 1 21 primeau det 2 0 1 1 1 20 probert det 2 0 1 1 0 6 ranheim cal 2 0 1 1 2 0 robitaille la 2 0 1 1 4 2 roenick chi 2 0 1 1 1 0 selanne win 2 0 1 1 2 0 shannon win 2 0 1 1 4 0 skrudland cal 2 0 1 1 2 10 sutter chi 2 0 1 1 1 0 taylor la 2 0 1 1 1 0 zhitnik la 2 0 1 1 2 2 barr nj 3 1 0 1 0 6 bourque bos 3 1 0 1 2 2 burridge 3 1 0 1 2 0 dionne mon 3 1 0 1 0 0 heinze bos 3 1 0 1 0 0 leschyshyn que 3 1 0 1 1 4 presley buf 3 1 0 1 0 0 rucinsky que 3 1 0 1 1 2 smolinski bos 3 1 0 1 1 2 wood buf 3 1 0 1 1 4 brunet mon 3 0 1 1 0 0 daniels pit 3 0 1 1 1 0 donato bos 3 0 1 1 5 0 driver nj 3 0 1 1 3 4 que 3 0 1 1 2 0 buf 3 0 1 1 0 0 k samuelsson pit 3 0 1 1 2 0 kamensky que 3 0 1 1 1 4 krygier 3 0 1 1 0 4 loney pit 3 0 1 1 2 0 may 3 0 1 1 1 2 miller 3 0 1 1 3 0 odelein mon 3 0 1 1 0 0 pivonka 3 0 1 1 1 0 shaw bos 3 0 1 1 2 4 straka pit 3 0 1 1 0 0 mon 1 0 0 0 0 0 nj 1 0 0 0 0 0 druce win 1 0 0 0 0 0 eagles win 1 0 0 0 0 0 errey buf 1 0 0 0 0 4 mon 1 0 0 0 0 0 foligno tor 1 0 0 0 0 16 goulet chi 1 0 0 0 0 0 chi 1 0 0 0 0 2 hughes bos 1 0 0 0 0 2 kovalenko que 1 0 0 0 0 2 leeman mon 1 0 0 0 0 0 tor 1 0 0 0 2 0 tor 1 0 0 0 1 2 richer nj 1 0 0 0 4 0 mon 1 0 0 0 0 0 schneider mon 1 0 0 0 0 0 watters la 1 0 0 0 1 4 bos 1 0 0 0 1 4 andreychuk tor 2 0 0 0 2 2 ashton cal 2 0 0 0 1 2 babych van 2 0 0 0 2 2 baron stl 2 0 0 0 0 6 bassen stl 2 0 0 0 0 4 baumgartner tor 2 0 0 0 0 0 bautin win 2 0 0 0 2 2 belfour chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 berg tor 2 0 0 0 1 4 billington nj 2 0 0 0 0 0 blue bos 2 0 0 0 0 0 borsato win 2 0 0 0 2 0 bozon stl 2 0 0 0 0 0 butcher stl 2 0 0 0 2 0 cheveldae det 2 0 0 0 0 2 conacher la 2 0 0 0 2 0 corkum buf 2 0 0 0 0 0 diduck van 2 0 0 0 2 2 dirk van 2 0 0 0 0 2 erickson win 2 0 0 0 1 0 essensa win 2 0 0 0 0 2 gilbert chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 graham chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 hardy la 2 0 0 0 1 10 hedican stl 2 0 0 0 0 0 hrudey la 2 0 0 0 0 0 j lemieux chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 johansson cal 2 0 0 0 1 0 joseph stl 2 0 0 0 0 0 nj 2 0 0 0 2 0 kennedy win 2 0 0 0 0 0 konstantinov det 2 0 0 0 1 4 krushelnyski tor 2 0 0 0 2 0 van 2 0 0 0 0 0 lumme van 2 0 0 0 2 4 macoun tor 2 0 0 0 1 6 chi 2 0 0 0 1 6 miller stl 2 0 0 0 0 0 momesso van 2 0 0 0 1 2 moog bos 2 0 0 0 0 0 muni chi 2 0 0 0 1 0 murphy chi 2 0 0 0 1 4 murray chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 nedved van 2 0 0 0 2 2 olausson win 2 0 0 0 1 2 pearson que 2 0 0 0 0 0 potvin tor 2 0 0 0 0 6 quintal stl 2 0 0 0 1 0 ramage mon 2 0 0 0 0 0 ri sutter stl 2 0 0 0 0 0 rouse tor 2 0 0 0 2 0 russell chi 2 0 0 0 0 0 ruuttu chi 2 0 0 0 1 0 richer bos 2 0 0 0 1 0 smith chi 2 0 0 0 2 4 van 2 0 0 0 2 0 semenov van 2 0 0 0 0 0 stern cal 2 0 0 0 1 26 hunter van 2 0 0 0 0 2 sweeney bos 2 0 0 0 0 0 terreri nj 2 0 0 0 0 0 tkachuk win 2 0 0 0 3 10 ulanov win 2 0 0 0 1 4 van 2 0 0 0 0 2 vernon cal 2 0 0 0 0 2 wilson stl 2 0 0 0 0 4 zezel tor 2 0 0 0 2 2 zhamnov win 2 0 0 0 1 0 zombo stl 2 0 0 0 1 4 nj 3 0 0 0 1 0 anderson 3 0 0 0 1 0 audette buf 3 0 0 0 1 4 buf 3 0 0 0 3 0 mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 c lemieux nj 3 0 0 0 4 17 carbonneau mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 cavallini que 3 0 0 0 0 0 cote 3 0 0 0 3 0 sweeney bos 3 0 0 0 2 4 mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 dalgarno nyi 3 0 0 0 3 0 daneyko nj 3 0 0 0 1 2 douris bos 3 0 0 0 3 0 nj 3 0 0 0 5 0 finn que 3 0 0 0 1 0 fitzgerald nyi 3 0 0 0 0 0 foote que 3 0 0 0 1 0 fuhr buf 3 0 0 0 0 2 g roberts bos 3 0 0 0 1 4 haller mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 hatcher 3 0 0 0 1 2 healy nyi 3 0 0 0 0 0 hextall que 3 0 0 0 0 0 hough que 3 0 0 0 0 0 iafrate 3 0 0 0 2 0 jennings pit 3 0 0 0 0 4 jones 3 0 0 0 2 5 kasparaitis nyi 3 0 0 0 0 4 keane mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 kimble bos 3 0 0 0 0 0 krupp nyi 3 0 0 0 2 2 kvartalnov bos 3 0 0 0 0 2 leclair mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 leach bos 3 0 0 0 0 0 lebeau mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 ledyard buf 3 0 0 0 3 4 nyi 3 0 0 0 1 2 maclean nj 3 0 0 0 4 4 nyi 3 0 0 0 1 2 may buf 3 0 0 0 0 4 mckay nj 3 0 0 0 0 16 nicholls nj 3 0 0 0 4 4 nolan que 3 0 0 0 1 2 norton nyi 3 0 0 0 3 0 patterson buf 3 0 0 0 1 2 pilon nyi 3 0 0 0 1 22 poulin bos 3 0 0 0 4 0 roy mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 savard mon 3 0 0 0 0 0 simon que 3 0 0 0 1 2 pit 3 0 0 0 1 0 stastny nj 3 0 0 0 1 2 sutton buf 3 0 0 0 2 0 green nyi 3 0 0 0 3 0 tabaracci 3 0 0 0 0 4 vukota nyi 3 0 0 0 1 2 wesley bos 3 0 0 0 1 0 que 3 0 0 0 1 4 maurice richard
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject gamma ray bursters \? organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 34 belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes catalog tests show , bursts isotropic distribution \( evenly spread radial direction \) , show signs , e clump one direction , unless sampling area inside disk galaxy , sampling universe cool , want figure hell caused things , suppose saying , well , may sampling inside disk well , necessarily remember , less interplanetary network burst detectors baseline goes beyond pluto \( pioneer 11 \) , able , detectors de sort difference angle satellite satellite 's analogy see plane overhead measure angle plane origin arbitrary coordinate system one friends mile away sees plane , measures angle zero point arbitrary system , two angles different , able position burst , maybe find source knowledge , one able uh , burst detectors , burst detectors angular resolution network burst detectors could angular resolution , decent set different networks distances neccesary determine 're happening oort cloud one network , trying make two networks degrades angular resolution phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) subject universal phones days \? organization technical university berlin , germany lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host sam cs tu berlin de mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit reply hugo cats ucsc edu 's message 26 apr 1993 07 32 33 gmt article 1rg36hinnsr6 darkstar ucsc edu hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) writes i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing sweden , '0' first digit digits pushed one position makes dialing \( process converting numbers \) interesting task otherwise , technically problem connect foreign phone either german swedish phone system otoh neither would ever try , course illegal wolfgang diestelkamp wd cs tu berlin de wolfgang first gmd de
wang cs indiana edu subject 3d graphics software company info \? organization computer science , indiana university lines 6 believe many people happy information , please post comp graphics thanks ,
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject hell lines 48 \( larry l overacker \) writes q knew beyond doubt hell exist unbelievers simply remained dead , would remain christian \? contention answer question would remain christian really one follow christ 's great way live life could care less really happens die believe resurrection , wo n't effect live life ouch , good question , existing worse existing matter , modify question would christian made eternal difference reward punishment \? hope spirit want personally goal oriented hard things achieve goal however , relate sports , learned care score become good basketball player learn go matter situation perhaps lesson relevent , give life keep , humble achieve glory concentrate living life best afforded life eternal think illuminated true meaning saved faith answer \? right would remain christian however , always answer \? 's problem heaven hell good certain stages maturity admit certain times perhaps bite tongue put something hope better day , e mentally trade present happiness future happiness hope skeptics read appropriate , trying honest \( scott mayo \) writes course pointless question , cannot know beyond doubt hell exist , anymore know , short taking jesus 's word questions fun entertaining , probably fruitless think kinds questions extremely guess depends one views knowledge learning stripping ideas simple , straightforward , opposing concepts determine levels importance analyzing theoretically absurd gain better understanding actually absurd chris mussack
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization university toronto chemistry department lines 40 article suned zoo cs yale edu morris jay cs yale edu \( jay morris \) writes also understand administration planning position troops macedonia reaction \? macedonia said yesterday neither requested needs forces sort like sending national guard bel air riot south central ! obviously , clinton trying make policy image purposes america rather try deal real problem assume share responsibility problem obviously n't even consult macedonians looking map former yugoslavia safest place put american troops could say europeans hey , look , troops ground former yugoslavia let bomb make look like something american media problem blue berets bosnia dead meat clinton starts bombing , clinton n't courage ask blue berets leave , becomes primarily responsible bosnian policy un allies clinton wants cake eat wants feel free use american military power sake domestic us politics domestic image , n't want assume primary international leadership role un among allies , like bush , faults , gulf war leadership comes responsibility , clinton seems want retain europeans clinton wants leave europeans charge responsible , wants side gets hot , wants able cut run american public may easily fooled european leaders n't gerald
dealy narya gsfc nasa gov \( brian dealy csc \) subject encyclopedia directory widgets \? organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa gov originator dealy narya gsfc nasa gov directory know lists commercial non commercial widgets ics widget data book ics sells widgets various prices also public domain widgets delivery ics widget databook subscription kind thing , pay nominal fee , get cd widgets use public domain widgets freely , selectively activate widgets want purchase right use nice thing purchase whole sets widgets used dont know pricing schemes often better buy complex widgets , especially one customer distribute extent know except got databook catalog looked impressive \( lots o' widgets \) dont work ics widgets sold hope helps brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan
fester island com \( mike fester \) subject white black racism phillies organization usr local rn organization lines 55 article 1993apr20 princeton edu niepornt phoenix princeton edu \( david marc nieporent \) writes article 10 p00421 psilink com dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com writes beat dead horse , seem remember fair amount sympathy black fringe player named roberto clemente roy campanella anyone else may even liked players , dying young wiggins , alan \? believe well baseball time died 's besides point i'm sure people would feel slightly sympathetic rickey killed , would also criticizing lot actions example \? jose canseco \? gets couple speeding tickets , sudden attitude awful hell speeding tickets clubhouse influence anyway \? sportswriters talk time uh , also charged chasing wife car , smashing tree , well carrying loaded firearm car speeding reported 100 mph reckless driving brian hunter keith mitchell \? dwi problems towards end last year \( two years ago \? \) cited sign immaturity , etc actually , n't heard thanks meanwhile , dykstra almost killed daulton , n't read complaining may talked bad phillies , never read anywhere criticism dykstra 's character \( daulton 's intelligence , matter \) based incident n't know reading watching , sure saw lot , dykstra 's poker games writing along lines incredibly stupid selfish , 'd hurt team catcher , etc espn raised questions judgement , etc print media sf area questioned disciplinary action would n't taken dykstra , one article pointed lenny wanted kill , ways would n't endanger people 's lives dykstra quoted stupid , etc mike disclaimer opiini h h damn ! h h q w q wq wq ! x \? exit x q c \? quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit ! quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x \? help helpquit ! ! man help c c e ! help exit \? quit \? q ctrlshftdel hey , stop l1a
wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de \( oliver kretzschmar \) subject need c algorithm , decide whether 3d point inside space , defined 6 planes organization ike lines 31 distribution world nntp posting host ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de hey , looking c algorithm , decide , whether 3d point inside space defined 8 x 3d points space defined 8 x 3d points , mean space defined 6 closed 3d meshes defined 8 points like simple example , sides parallel , problem , sides non parallel opposite sides must size etc please mail informations ! thanks great efforts oliver name kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone 49 711 685 2130 pfaffenwaldring 31 fax 49 711 685 2010 7000 stuttgart 80 email wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de
markm bigfoot sps mot com \( mark monninger \) subject question nntp posting host 223 250 10 7 reply rapw20 email sps mot com organization sps distribution usa lines 13 article shelley u washington edu carson u washington edu \( diana smith \) writes ex husband used even tho' ugly names one humphrey 's pretty good friend audi named murphy mark
ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) subject ok , little hasty organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 15 article 1993apr20 010734 megatek com randy megatek com writes perhaps dwi lousiana confined liquor \? everything louisiana related liquor eating , sleeping , walking , talking , church , state , life , death , everything plus food good , ray shea wound like effective method unisql , inc leah unisql ! ray cs utexas edu days miss boon real bad dod 0372 team twinkie '88 hawk gt
apg andersen com \( scott \) subject waco burnout organization andersen consulting cstar lines 19 distribution usa nntp posting host 144 36 14 91 visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes 1993apr19 edu jerry edu \( jerry stratton \) writes happen seems trying get children idea ramming compound tank pouring tear gas supposed send mothers fleeing outside children reliance put women 's instinct official explanation govt action republican administration , would generate complaints \? \( opposed complaints action \) spending programs , ' taxes , ' people say need dictionary \? dan quayle 2 19 93 employer responsible anything may appear
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject free moral agency organization case western reserve university lines 30 distribution na nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article darkside osrhe uoknor edu bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes exposed distortions misrepresentations christianity contrive rail , \( seems like classical strawman dodge said \) leaves nothing attack usual , avoid larger issues picking away insignificant stuff , find one particular thing post discuss , even tell issues \? let guess 're psycho analyst real life , play one alt atheism right \? esp something given god \? private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
whitmore iastate edu \( kurt whitmore \) subject info request hp deskwriter mathematica summary anyone problem \? organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 12 anyone else gotten system error trying print mathematica 2 1 hp deskwriter i'm using pb170 8 megs ram sys 7 0 1 hp print drivers etc works find imagewriter 'd like get much information possible send bug report wolfram thanks kurt \( whitmore iastate edu \)
messi uku fi \( mikko \) subject wc finland organization university kuopio , finland lines 32 messi uku fi \( jarkko \) writes disaster ! finland beaten czech 1 3 \( 0 0 , 1 1 , 0 2 \) finland 4th pool b certainly meet canada quarter final wednesday 28th lack scoring skills major problem team finland throughout tournament briza \( goalie \) mvp czech team tikkanen mvp finnish team four five games finns played , goalie chosen best player opposing team \( fifth , finnish goalie , ketterer elected best finn \) goalies good days games , finnish players lousy scorers \? \? \? anyway , quite goals scored games generally \( exception course canada vs italy \) looks like goalies getting good due equipment getting bigger , cover \( gloves , e g seem much bigger years ago \) anybody know rules goalie equipment changed way \? \? \? \? mikko jarkko 14 nyt mm nen kai nyt pari
feng qian launchpad unc edu \( feng qian \) subject irwin tapes \( \) sale nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 13 well , irwin 250 mb , great deal genuine irwin 120 250 tapes , 16 ea 3m tapes 16 ea tapes new , never used , factory preformatted email interested feng opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
carson u washington edu \( gary \) subject deadly \? \? \? organization university washington , seattle lines 39 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article murdoch acc virginia edu galen med virginia edu \( robert e schmieg \) writes partial deletion potentially fatal hepatic necrosis recall correctly , metabolism acetaminophen high doses involves n n , highly reactive intermediate , reacts groups proteins hepatic used , intermediate starts attacking hepatic proteins resulting hepatic necrosis part acetaminophen toxicity delay \( 2 4 days \) ingestion clinical signs liver damage nice way die nice explanation except n't n causes formation n p \( \) , rather direct two electron addition , one school thought contends oxidative stress rather protein critical factor acetaminophen far drug go , acetaminophen continues one intensely excellent recent review topic found , van de molecular aspects induced mechanism based prevention drug metabolism reviews , 24 \( 3 \) 367 407 \( 1992 \) \( acetaminophen known europe \) could n't agree awful way die toxic dose acetaminophen causes 've heard number descriptions physicians associated poison control centers , describe painful death gary
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days distribution na organization express access online communications usa lines 75 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr30 1 stsci edu hathaway stsci edu writes article 64i access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu \( greg moore \) writes pointed , develop thruster also , much lighter , still lift mass thruster orbit , thruster lifts weight higher orbit take room payload bay yes , improvement boost orbit hst significant , understand saying improved , significant , carrying equipment servicing mission \? also , implied posters , need boost orbit mission anyway \? maybe something , could please clarify us net \? right hst mission listed 11 days listed 9 days kicked number spacewalks 5 , simulations indicated able 4 space walking , going boost hst 's orbit think right 's sitting 180 miles , would like 220 n't know exact orbit numbers know hst first flown , placed highest possible shuttle orbit shuttle cary thing called edo pallet , extended duration orbiter pallet 's mostly lox lh fuel cells rcs gear , plus o2 canisters life support maybe nitrogen limit space walking function suit supplies \( mass \) orbiter duration order perform boost hst , oms engines fired long period shuttle heavy thing hst n't light either amount oms fuel needed fly substantial small booster carried used boost hst 's weigh significantly less oms fuel required boost hst shuttle , given orbital change understand , mass margins hst missions tight enough ca n't even carry extra suits mmu 's used small tug , would bet , wild guess , savings margin would allow carrying edo pallet , extra suits , consumables , parts flaky fgs sensor , parts solar electronics , still enough double magnum hst could even get placed sort medium orbit reason want high orbit , less antenna pointing , longer drag life means carry edo packs enough consumables shuttle mission go long enough also fix array tilt motors , god knows else going wear 've heard , motors fine one two sets electronics control motors needs fix motors electronics separate pieces hardware expect corrected i'm wrong whatever , problem tilt array big constraint hst ops pat
casper fwi uva nl \( casper h dik \) subject patch x11r5 solaris 2 1 organization fwi , university amsterdam lines 11 distribution inet nntp posting host adam fwi uva nl cfl edu au \( colin \) writes hi , sorry faq could someone please tell get patch \( es \) x11r5 compile solaris2 1 export lcs mit edu contrib r5 sunos5 patch tar z get xsun multi screen tar z 're casper
alaska edu subject last v 8 interceptors \( mad max \) lines 11 nntp posting host alaska edu organization university alaska tony , believe , first , max 's car austrailian built car n't think chopped u unit may called kangaroo something similar sure , recall reading austrailian cars used ford v 8 engines ford v 8 interceptor , think , 428 c cop car motor whatever case small car screaming big block ford 428 would probably smoke tires miles kilometers hope someone elaborate subject smoke 'em hard , smoke 'em fast later , david '68 lincoln continental
drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve liu \) subject scsi cable sale organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 22 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu brand new , never used 12 inch mac scsi cable sale i'm asking 15 shipping tell high n't think tttttt eeeee vv vv eeeee tt ee vv vv ee tt eeee vv vv eeee steve liu tt ee vvv ee drlovemd jhunix hcf jhu edu tt eeeee v eeeee drlovemd jhuvms hcf jhu edu
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 26 article 1993apr25 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote christ greek messiah messiah means annointed one means rub oil , e major prophet daniel uses word messiah daniel chapter 9 closely analyze bible \? looks n't get past first word catalyst break faith priests interpreted bible \? ever bereans paul 's teachings acts 17 \? brian , mean well versed ancient greek , hebrew aramaic order understand core christianity \? hope catholic , christian upbringing based teachings luther , one core messages basically n't need know latin order learn salvation btw , statement would also eliminate 99 5 christians world , well cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
jgladu bcm tmc edu \( grungy \) subject long term human missions organization systems support center , bcm lines 36 nntp posting host j ssctr bcm tmc edu article 1993apr29 weizmann ac il , ward pashosh wisdom weizmann ac il \( ward paul \) wrote 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) n't think touting contributions good idea world war ii produced many many beneficial spinoffs eg radar , jet , rocket technology n't think anyone would argue world war ii , , good thing want people back space program must good thing disagree tout , although agree space program inherently good thing people today care cost \? 's \? could care less whether something simply worthwhile society become increasingly geared toward short term \( could read ! \) could n't care less next week , much less next century want something show expenditure want think tell things using spinoffs space program way prove worth vote pay taxes continued existence space program relies upon money 02 btw n't forget velcro john systems support center baylor college medicine internet jgladu bcm tmc edu voice \( 713 \) 798 us mail one baylor plaza , houston , texas opinions expressed obviously
kniha carson u washington edu \( dagmar \) subject universal phones days \? organization university washington , seattle lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host carson u washington edu n't know much phones germany , know bought phone u mother lives bratislava , slovakia works fine problem n't wall jacks like wire without jack end sticking wall need connect wires \( i'm sure wall jacks western europe may \) hope helps dagmar kniha carson u washington edu
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject clipper organization university missouri lines 12 nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu david sternlight says writer third parties claim clipper back door actually , david , n't think 's intellectually honest say say , unless 've chance examine algorithm silicon closely know , skipjack could easily broken , impossible break clearly , skipjack secure , clipper chip worth much john kelsey
hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university houston administrative computing lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host uhad2 admin uh edu x news reader vms news 1 24 reply dbernard clesun central sun com 's message 22 apr 1993 11 36 47 gmt cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes article news eng convex com , gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) writes article da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu \( miller , jimmy \) writes minor quibble assualt \( one \) began near dawn fire break several hours minor quibble back general area koresh compound tell air quite chilly morning , especially high winds blowing \( course swiss cheese walls made even worse \) correct wrt idea heating nice morning part line also guy said minutes later , fires started forget cool day flying around n't make wind still , either got 30 40 mph winds swinging across texas plain , couple n't add one whole hell lot semper fi , jammer jim miller texas university '89 '91 n't speak uh , bad , could use help become one student billing system student billing system power finds way take stand stand , ordinary man rik emmet , gil moore , mike levine triumph
wayne orwig atlantaga ncr com \( wayne orwig \) subject battery storage charge store dry \? lines 19 nntp posting host worwig atlantaga ncr com organization ncr corporation x newsreader ftpnuz \( dos \) v1 0 article 1993apr22 mnemosyne cs du edu nyx cs du edu \( mark fox \) says quite right , batteries perfectly alright retain charge drained dried well , 'd throw electrolyte buy need anyone says i'm wrong , remember new batteries almost always come ready charged dry , perfectly ok even several years' storage shop mark fox makes sense , steel manufactured stored put oil wo n't rust , store bike , must strip paint put oil metal prevent rus
santafe edu \( boss hogg \) subject pov animating organization santa fe institute lines 20 nntp posting host sanjuan santafe x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 attempt animation pov created two little programs one c program perform morph two points given amount frames morph write points , function \( translate , rotate , etc \) file perl script read list functions insert pov file given line hoped would let simple animation however , discovered simply performing incremental rotations object spin stationary object actually rotate object axis know easy way around would first translate object origin perform rotation move back know must another way around thought perhaps created objects origin translated new point done rotation , could cause behavior however occurs objects translated help appreciated bbs santafe edu
uxh cso uiuc edu \( kyle \) subject nt ready \? keywords nt organization university illinois urbana lines 5 able call favorite mail order software shop buy nt \? jeff ce uiuc edu
css itd umich edu \( andrew \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization university michigan itd consulting support lines 24 nntp posting host css itd umich edu article c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes rep dealer \( actually 's university order center , n't immediate financial interest \) , told lots problems centris 610 n't go details , mentioned problems floppy drive intermittent problems printing files sounded like hardware problems software compatibility problems machine deleted , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? lot time , 're dealing someone financial interest selling machine , get lot opinion \( opposed factual information , etc \) sounds like guy experience one flaky centris 610 formed encompassing opinion rest 610 's 've seen lots people frustrated end refused believe mac xyz would good , since experience \( one machine \) mac xyz bad loss , eh \? andrew w css itd umich edu
bitzm columbia dsu edu \( michael bitz \) subject wanted 9 chip 1 megabyte simms \( 60ns \) ! organization dakota state university lines 14 nntp posting host unknown 87 dsu edu market \( 4 \) 1 megabyte simms must 9 chip variety , also must 60 nanoseconds email bitzm columbia dsu edu thanks mike bitz internet bitzm columbia dsu edu research development bitzm dsuvax dsu edu dakota state university bitnet s93020 sdnet bitnet
unix1 tcd ie \( bones \) subject human body data sets needed urgently nntp posting host unix1 tcd ie organization trinity college , dublin lines 8 hi i'm looking datasets human body head popular formats i'm presentation tomorrow could greatly enhanced bringing factor 've looked around net sucess far anyone got ideas \? 'd also appreciate info location datasets uss enterprise \( model \) thanks advance ,
iastate edu \( \) subject centi milli pedes organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 37 1993apr29 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes article castle ed ac uk , festival ed ac uk \( g clark \) writes msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) writes anyone know posionous centipedes millipedes \? someone bitten , soon would medical treatment needed , would liable happen person \? \( clarification bitten one , house seems infested , want know 'just \) rebecca millipedes , understand , vegetarian , therefore almost certainly bite poisonous centipedes , although n't absolute knowledge , would tend think 're danger anything concerted assault several million g sure think millipedes cause toxic reaction \( sting \? would assume dangerous merely basis , wasps vegetarian child remember picking getting rather painful sting , quickly subsided much less painful compared bee sting centipedes poison \( one front feet \) stun prey , single experience lot bite
prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host giga cs umn edu organization university minnesota , minneapolis , csci dept lines 20 \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word satya prabhakar
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject shaft drives wheelies article myrddin ddx distribution rec organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 12 nntp posting host seahunt imat com article 1993apr19 vax5 cit cornell edu xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu writes possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? front wheel use lever right handlebar accomplish michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject new home bosox ! ! ! organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 34 article 1993apr15 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu \( jay rogoff \) writes 're multipurpose subject , let 's forget shea , designed accommodate mets jets first stadium \( think \) box seats rollers could oriented right angles baseball parallel football minor point shea stadium designed multi purpose stadium jets mind new york football giants moved yankee stadium \( grounds \) 1958 problem stadium management \( city yankee stadium 1972 \) idea get giants move shea deal worked giants yankees new franchise , new york titans , approached city using new stadium titans playing downing stadium \( cosmos played soccer 70s \) shea stadium tied world 's fair anyway , city thought would novel idea promote new franchise world 's fair \( like mets \) deal worked course , jets gone jersey \( truly good football stadium \) , mets saddled multipurpose stadium , 's circular , seats almost always far action mets announcers kiner murphy particular always hyped beautiful shea stadium , truly i'm impression says , means ! regular goer shea , bad place since 've cleaned place remember , 30th year ! scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject shuttle 0 defects bizarre \? dc x \? organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 92 article hsc usc edu khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) writes well , say \? 8 \) 've attacked beloved vehicle ! \) may offer constructive criticism , perhaps decide love vehicles use put , , think f 86 beautiful aircraft , rest assured , would n't even think flying combat today us want access space judge vehicles perform see zero defects operation many area life degree calling shuttle flight characteristics bizarre post touting dc x interesting \? dc x also similar zero defects issues \( wrong \? \) wrong dc approach failure also advantage far greater reliability reusable nature \( shuttle n't reusable , 's \) thinking dc x deploy reverse orientation supersonic speeds flip happens low speed , supersonic dc x shows flip works , work unless laws physics change much dc x redundant \? 's real question final dc 1 fully intact abort throughout entire flight upon entry example , loose 80 available thrust still land safely everything life zero defects issues times \( agree \? \) everything suffer catastrophic failure 's thing shuttle simply n't fault design , ssto doctor , error diagnosis treatment recommendations n't put patients conditions way would n't example , give patient drug monitor harmful side effects would \? dc x 's r program makes good sense , less optimistic dc x \( apparently others \) much minority dc series fails make orbit , still worthwhile effort show us exactly need build ssto , dc x still failures nature aerospace r , refering dc 1 , provide fully intact abort flight shuttle n't dc fault , shuttle n't 's successors slated passenger carrying true build passenger pallet \( fairly easy thing \) carry passengers impression visited huntington beach 's open house payload space limited man version decades away would suggest talk dc x crew original schedule operational dc 1 flying 96 shuttle method free world orbiting large life sciences medical related packages , ticket space support ignoring space reputation unreliable expensive shuttle supporters make easy opponents manned space kill could change view dc x could prove following way prove things build allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 35 days first flight dcx
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject welcome police state usa lines 66 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu , slp9k cc usu edu writes xref dscomsa alt activism 6011 talk politics misc path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uunet ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! agate ! dog ee lbl gov ! hellgate utah edu ! cc usu edu ! slp9k slp9k cc usu edu newsgroups alt activism , talk politics misc subject welcome police state usa message id 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu date 20 apr 93 03 02 34 mdt references 1993apr20 cc usu edu c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu organization utah state university lines 34 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? firstly , could backed put power freak , like david koresh , kind situation going explode \( pun intended \) koresh wanted martyr government played right hands government n't given attention wanted nothing would ever happened secondly , davidians expecting everything government thought facing apocalypse , perish fire n't scared fbi average , devout followers religion n't work government got frustrated murdered batf left beginning , looked koresh 's personality instead thought , guns bigger guns let 's go get 'em ! botched day one n't first place conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear phill hallam baker
eua ericsson se \( eriksson \) subject drawing networks , graphs \? nntp posting host eua ericsson se nntp posting user reply eua ericsson se organization ellemtel telecom systems labs , stockholm , sweden lines 34 widgets , function drawing networks , graphs etc \? \( tree views \) freeware , shareware , comercial like , instance giving associations nodes automatic layout generation would nice node symbols could used maybe even insert widgets nodes using different line styles etc describing associations information would appreciated , thanks advance , \( eriksson eua ericsson se \)
kim cs indiana edu subject data wanted texture mapped organization indiana university computer science , bloomington lines 10 need data nice looking model texture mapping would better parametric values vertex \( surface \) avaliable along euclidean points could use texture mapping thanks ,
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper serial numbers need 2nd court order \? organization dsi uscrpac lines 42 article 1993apr23 princeton edu mg cs princeton edu \( michael golan \) writes something one discussed yet \( missed \) fbi sets wiretap court order handed point access line detect serial number n happens next , fbi simply asks keys n , , since warrant issued line , fbi simply gets \? multiple phones used house , fbi asks n1 , n2 , etc \? exactly prevent fbi claiming serial number , x , also used line get keys x \? either second court order \( specific serial key \) required \( seen indication \) , fbi effectively ask pair keys time , escrow key holders total fake two safeguards 1 fbi could asked produce law enforcement block escrow agencies , associate particular court order 2 thing comes trial defense attorneys probe issue closely different proving speaker legal wiretap person court order covered putting another way , question different pre clipper question 's prevent fbi getting court order tap al capone using tap jonathan instead \? david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
penev rockefeller edu \( penio penev \) subject ide vs scsi reply penev venezia rockefeller edu organization rockefeller university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted venezia rockefeller edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 38 mon , 19 apr 1993 03 45 17 gmt wayne smith \( wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \) wrote article richk gozer grebyn com richk grebyn com \( richard krehbiel \) writes , 've got multi tasking , want increase performance increasing amount overlapping one way dma bus mastering either make possible devices move data memory without interrupting cpu alternative cpu move data several scsi interface cards allow dma bus mastering bus mastering isa bus \? earlier post noted dma ide , however , defined standard interface created ibm pc , requires cpu move data bytes , dma 're talking isa \( \) bus , 1 dma channel active one time , presumably transferring data single device even though least 7 devices scsi bus , explain 7 devices dma transfers single scsi card isa bus time one time means imho single byte four sources dma requests ready , dma would service one bandwidth four together lower isa dma bandwidth , work note bus mastering priority mechanism dma controller penio penev x7423 \( 212 \) 327 7423 \( w \) internet penev venezia rockefeller edu disclaimer oppinions mine
ee ubc ca \( john paul morrison \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization ubc electrical engineering radio lab lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host ee ubc ca article rigel tamu edu gmw0622 rigel tamu edu \( mr grinch \) writes likely places important state issue whether state income tax instead legalize popular vice fund raising , vice decisive victory ! jsh mr grinch p 's safely dead , expect david koresh become hero popular folk , atf generally equated santa anna dead \? saw david koresh local 7 11 john paul morrison university british columbia , canada hey hey ! ! ho ho ! ! electrical engineering tax spend liberals ee ubc ca got go ! !
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject riddle lines 31 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support distribution usa article 4t transfer stratus com , cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca , j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca \( fuller \) writes yet , fbi mouthpiece afternoon 's press conference characterized quantity cs gas pumped building massive , speculated hours exposure davidian gas masks would become useless sound harmful \? hm previous poster argued fact bd 's rush escape burning building indicated , government actions , started fire hand , wonder , face full massive amounts cs , would able escape burning tinder box like ranch house assuming best efforts imagine , seige almost two months enemy believe wants kill suddenly , pump tear gas building punch holes tanks fire breaks run outside slaughtered , stay face fate check ethiopia vs italy wwii answers question dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
mizar usc edu \( dodger \) subject todd update organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 8 nntp posting host mizar usc edu according article la times , todd ready come dl list friday sounds like another set back come back present , stopped throwing ball supposedly , velocity n't sound like particular time table point back dodger
srgxnbs grace cri nz subject cad program electronics \? organization industrial research ltd , new zealand lines 10 nntp posting host grv grace cri nz want cad program draw diagrams dragging elements onto screen , elements needed diverse vacuum tubes ics \( case pins \) try , windows shareware object oriented use high quality output bruce
htsa aha nl \( remco \) subject rgb hvs , back organization van amsterdam , netherlands , e e c dept lines 9 little question need convert rgb coded \( red green blue \) colors hvs coded \( hue value \) colors anyone know formulas use \? thanks ! r w htsa aha nl
cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) subject maxima chain wax nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 18 article 1993apr25 1922 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes interesting say n't seen wear 1000 miles 've used stuff ninja , bike stays soooo clean related note \( since ups lost chain wax i'm still using pj 1 goo \) , found great stuff clean chain spooge wheels 's called goo gone cleaned spooge rear wheel faster simple green cleaned bug guts headlight wonderful stuff recommend officially dod wonder spooge \( tm \) product dean cookson dcookson mitre org 617 271 2714 dod 207 ama 573534 mitre corp burlington rd , bedford , 01730 kotnml kotb road shepherd shall stop '92 vfr750f sam eliott , road hogs mtv 1993 '88 bianchi limited
hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov \( les hartzman \) subject low emission monitors besides nec \? \? organization jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , ca lines 14 distribution na nntp posting host kilroy jpl nasa gov anyone else make low radiation emission monitors besides nec \? compare necs \( quality emission wise \) \? tia , les les hartzman hartzman kilroy jpl nasa gov jet propulsion laboratory 238 528 \( 818 \) 354 4800 oak grove dr , pasadena , ca 91109
uchicago edu \( charles blair \) subject xdm organization university chicago computing organizations x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 25 using pc based x server however , interval activity , x session ends happen use command fired xsession like time 1 locker corners 1 hypothesis xdm \( use xdmcp start x session \) detects period inactivity server , terminates session however , reason , happen workaround \? 'd prefer responses via e mail thanks economics real world problems simple clear solutions individuals , recommend astrology hugo
chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) subject help 8088 80286 distribution world organization ozone online operations , inc new orleans , la reply chris crayton ozonehole com \( chris crayton \) lines 18 humble response letter g scott written 04 21 93 20 43 286 upgrade would probably cost 50 , 386 150 coprocessors accelerator cards would cost least much 'tis true ! saw add 286 20 motherboards 80 seen whole 286 12 systems , complete case , power supply , keyboard , floppy , mono card monitor going 250 man , , shall look upon like blue wave qwk v2 10 ozone hole bbs private bulletin board service \( 504 \) 891 3142 3 full service nodes usrobotics 16 8k bps 10 gigs 100 , 000 files skydive new orleans ! rime network mail hub 500 usenet newsgroups please route questions inquiries postmaster ozonehole com
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 60 markp \( mark pundurs \) writes mathew mathew mantis co uk writes markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) writes rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) writes 's objective physics einstein bohr told us speaking one knows relativity quantum mechanics , say bullshit speaking someone also knows relativity quantum mechanics , say go ahead , punk , make day degree beat degree ok , refer us place einstein 's \( bohr 's \) writings said 's objective physics ' ah , taking everything literal quotation wonder 're confused first , ask decide definition objective \? 's objective reality lsd sufficient prove speaking one taken lsd , say bullshit well , 'll bow superior knowledge one , think detect pattern responses actual support \? take lsd , perception reality come , perceptions \? could striving toward ideal way useful , ideal objective existence \? perfectly efficient power station would convert energy coal electricity absolutely way build perfect power station 's ideal striving towards ideal useful valuable , \? ok , let narrow question useful strive toward \( nonexistent \) objective ethics \? 'd guess might way \? may case people unable evaluate complex moral issues rather leaving behave , might better offer abstract \( nonexistent objective \) system ethics strive towards , coded rules n't derive tend feel pretty much morality anyway mathew
d9bertil dtek chalmers se \( bertil jonell \) subject universal phones days \? organization survivors anonymous lines 13 nntp posting host dtek chalmers se article shelley u washington edu kniha carson u washington edu \( dagmar \) writes wire without jack end sticking wall need connect wires \( i'm sure wall jacks western europe may \) son return much americans know rest word \? flamewar anyone \? bertil shown nutty theory , beyond fringe political view strange religion exists proponent net proof left exercise kill file
mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject gulf war \( death penalty political atheists \? \) organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 28 article 930420 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes n't sell bastard arms information first place ruthlessly hunt especially 're positions power looked back , asked questions various people got following information claimed pooh us sold iraq arms navy entirely made f ussr vessels \( including stuff captured kuwait sure \) , n't include us equipment missiles non us tanks almost soviet , 100 french tanks \( older ones \) us stuff iraqi arsenal sold iraq iraq captured countries \( like kuwait \) information hard prove claiming us sold information \? prove , us build iraq \? gave fairly conclusive evidence us n't sell arms iraq information hard prove , almost certainly us sell information , fact classified , ca n't prove provide useful evidence us sold arms valuable intelligence iraq , interested , make claims based everyone knows mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject electrical spacecraft via magnetic field earth \? lines 22 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks okay , earth magnetic field \( unless someone missed something \? \) okay put object earth magnetic field , produces electricty question use electricity power space low earth orbit vehicle \? , use magnetic field earth power \? \? idea dragless satellite used part create electrical field \? dragless satellite \( might wrong \) , suspended , compensate drag think know want say , sure say dragless satellite sounds interestingly enough liek generator michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked sorry spelling , brought windows 3 1 online modem comm program yet ! !
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject clipper considered harmful organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 20 distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de writes , feds still able decrypt conversations true , 'll blame wrong guys , nevertheless one cannot say something like drugs arrive tommorrow ship feds listening , even cannot identify speaker 's question holding phone 's question circuit wiretap first place two drug dealers using stolen cellular phones , fbi n't know lines tap unless course 're tapping phones \( maybe cellular phones \) n't tapped connection \( ie , least one end connection \) n't know key request disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
lan co \( tom \) subject universal phones days \? organization alcatel austria research centre x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 28 d9bertil dtek chalmers se \( bertil jonell \) writes article shelley u washington edu kniha carson u washington edu \( dagmar \) writes wire without jack end sticking wall need connect wires \( i'm sure wall jacks western europe may \) son return much americans know rest word \? flamewar anyone \? well , bertil , might laugh , many places austria , wall jacks yet , either wires sticking wall \( put closed , often sealed , box \) \) far remember germany , nicely mixed situation somebody wires sticking , somebody jacks hand , everywhere seen wall jacks , never seen wires sticking wall thought slovakia case well much scandinavians know rest europe \? \? \) \) tom tomas alcatel austria g b h 1210 wien , 1 7 tel 431 283 fax 431 e mail tom co
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject stretching adriatic sea great wall china organization p center regional studies lines 22 following report turkey eyes regional role ankara , turkey \( ap \) april 27 , 1993 , find last paragraph turanist although premier suleyman demirel criticized ozal 's often turanist calls turkish influence , also spoken turanist turkic peoples stretching adriatic turanist sea great wall china demirel think fooling \? seems ends envisioned pan turkic empire balkans caucasus turkey 's fascist boasts pre empted would suggest turkey let world feel grey wolf teeth , attempt stretch adriatic china ! turkey cried wolf much ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu \( belville \) subject flash leds sound \? organization drexel university , philadelphia lines 38 article kepler unh edu dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) writes i'm looking circuit flash led response output walkman cassette player could \? n't want turn , want speak , per every beep put cassette tape would better use circuit based volume beeps cassette , better leds respond tone certain frequency \? easy way either \? i'm looking simplest circuit possible guess i'm asking sort color organ , quite let explain i'm going pattern beats \( beeps \) cassette tape tape 'd hear beep ! \( pause \) beep ! \( pause \) beep ! \( pause \) etc , speed increasing time goes want led \( probably two \) beeps cassette tape led , beep , would go real quick , generating strobe light sort effect beeps tape would turn effect blinking leds sound tape \( except background \) , leds would remain please help ! thanks , dana try looking called radio electronics , may 1992 issue , page 41 circuit midi light controller andy andy belville 's taken long time , 've belvilad dunx1 ocs drexel edu fallen love beautiful woman
schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) subject gamma ray bursters nntp posting host starman convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 3 following discussion grbs going sci astro 's discussed detail , references even
duvm ocs drexel edu \( mike g \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization drexel university lines 32 x useragent nuntius v1 need info circumcision , medical cons pros article 8th cs uiuc edu gunnar blix , blix milton cs uiuc edu writes need information medical \( including emotional \) pros cons circumcision \( birth \) especially interested references studies indicate disadvantages refute studies indicate advantages friend medical student writing survey paper , apparently studies run circumcision , main argument lower risk penile cancer please email responses frequent reader either group summarize net i'm surprised medical schools still push routine circumcision newborn males population since friend man , ca n't imagine 's like penis , much less foreskin guess american medicine artistic job circumcising every male , visual result would somewhat natural appearance penile cancer thing completely must going school south pacific island tell check journal urology circumcision articles remember least 1 old jewish man \( cut birth \) developed penile cancer mean , cancer risk great , europe circumcising like crazy , teaching boy keep clean issue little proper hygiene goes long way americans hung penis consider cleaning 's way much like surgical intervention basically unnecessary
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject gulf war peace niks organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 21 jbrown batman bmd trw com writes problem peace niks consider us like bad unconscionable would argument problem peace nik held ideals stayed conflicts issues , especially dealing national defense , willing allow us legitimately hold different point view many times resort violence name peace yawn another right wing wasp imagining 's oppressed minority perhaps right would argument problem peace nik stayed conflicts issues \? bet would n't 'd love makes think sitting back , saying nothing defense issues , letting people like make decisions anything ideals \? mathew
kuusama kaarne cs tut fi \( kuusama juha , , , vtt , \) subject circuit boards green \? originator kuusama kaarne cs tut fi nntp posting host kaarne cs tut fi reply kuusama kaarne cs tut fi organization tampere university technology , dep computer science lines 7 question anything important , still curious almost printed circuit boards green \? seen blue ones , red , yellow , company logo etc technical reason could marketing geniuses tought \( yet \) \? juha
gomez intel com \( ron hudson \) subject solution multi setups standalone easy ! ! ! nntp posting host gomez organization software technology , intel corp , santa clara , ca x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 16 peter goudswaard \( goudswaa fraser sfu ca \) wrote setup deleted finally , order run specific version windows , must simply change path include c specific configuration path , e g c could get fancy use batch files , environment variables , system stuff delete happen running new msdos 6 , could use multi setup provide menu menu choice person using machine power , select name , menu use personal sections config sys autoexec bat thus setting path , running windows copy ! ron temp intel , views
kelvin seas virginia edu \( brent stone \) subject buy first bike , etc organization university virginia lines 29 article inform co nz inform co nz \( michael \) writes article 1993apr20 galaxy gov bc ca , bclarke galaxy gov bc ca writes lot posts lately wanna buy first bike gsxr zx cbr fzr good bike learn \? etc sure buy prob 're wrong newbie got phone salesman showed remember said correctly thing thing sport bikes n't 250 versions bs
msnyder nmt edu \( rebecca snyder \) subject centi milli pedes organization new mexico tech lines 10 anyone know posionous centipedes millipedes \? someone bitten , soon would medical treatment needed , would liable happen person \? \( clarification bitten one , house seems infested , want know 'just \) rebecca
com tw \( michael hung \) subject multi bytes fonts organization internet lines 14 xpert expo lcs mit edu wondering change english fonts existed api multi bytes fonts \? \( chinese , japanese \) someone told x11r5 supports internationalization features , cannot find examples need anybody done similar jobs \? way , english fonts replace chinese japanese fonts , means windows , menubar , button great someone share us done thanks advance c hung
spang nbivax nbi dk \( karsten spang \) subject cannot create 24 plane window organization niels bohr institute , copenhagen lines 59 hello problem able create window 24 bit planes following code illustrates problem include stdio h include x11 xlib h include x11 h main \( \) display display window win xvisualinfo vinfo colormap colormap xsetwindowattributes attributes xevent event status status display xopendisplay \( null \) status \( display , defaultscreen \( display \) , 24 , truecolor , vinfo \) \( ! status \) fprintf \( stderr , visual found n \) exit \( 1 \) colormap xcreatecolormap \( display , defaultrootwindow \( display \) , vinfo visual , \) attributes colormap colormap win xcreatewindow \( display , defaultrootwindow \( display \) , 0 , 0 , 100 , 100 , 0 , 24 , inputoutput , vinfo visual , cwcolormap , attributes \) xmapwindow \( display , win \) \( \) xnextevent \( display , event \) tried sgi 24 plane truecolor server , hp 9000 700 24 plane directcolor server \( obviously neccessary change \) , running x11r4 client side , tried x11r4 xlib hp 9000 700 decstation , x11r3 xlib decstation combinations gave badmatch error request far tell manual , attribute may give badmatch , colormap , belongs wrong visual visual correctly matched , get error message wrong \? information tell xwud error karsten internet krs dk karsten spang phone 45 36 77 22 23 data fax 45 36 77 03 01 p box 1142 dk denmark
mike netnews louisville edu \( mike harpe \) subject drive array leds \? organization university louisville lines 23 ptorre hardy u washington edu \( phil torre \) writes project mind requires array leds addressed individually microprocessor \( say , \) lsi designed drive led array \( including ram hold array state \) , failing , way multiplexing display n't latch bit led using discrete latch \? \( want avoid huge board covered possible ! \) thanks advance maxim makes chip exactly want drives 8 7 segment led displays full decode drives 64 discrete led 's 3 wire serial interface chips also allow large arrays working sign display using part 'll post contact info maxim later , 's home series articles chip last couple circuit cellar ink 's mike harpe michael harpe , programmer analyst information technology , bldg mike hermes louisville edu university louisville \( 502 \) 588 louisville , ky 's man , 's eating machine ! simpsons
aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) subject rejoinder questions israelis reply aa229 freenet carleton ca \( steve birnbaum \) organization national capital freenet lines 27 previous article , ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) says agree write except terrorist orgs shelling israel golan heights 1982 , rather lebanon golan heights held israel since 1967 , therefore plo could shelling israel , unless something aware oops small mistake thanks mentioning read israel line village got shelled terrorists last week children killed guess terrorists must gotten security zone think much shelling would happening security zone n't steve internet aa229 freenet carleton ca fidonet 1 163 109 18 mossad qube ocunix ca opinions associated anything , including head
kenton shaver andrew cmu edu subject challenge microsoft supporters organization sponsored account , systems group 82 , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 50 distribution usa uceng uc edu nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply uceng uc edu bferrell cicada occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article 1993may13 microsoft com jenk microsoft com \( jen er \) writes found actually two surveys one randomly selected resellers , one randomly selected users 6 upgrade registered user database surveys showed 93 positive rating jen jd power associates survey , would like anonymous ftp site pick sucker believes ms released survey results ms product ok assume results survey , whatever , 100 honest results indicated extreme product , ms going tell us stop buying ms dos 6 0 \? \) sure would fair say relatively people decided purchase 6 would inclined like us love os 2 , people know \( less \) expect disappointed mean , nice know people bought happy \( important ms know \) n't dispute accuracy would hate see people extrapolate population dos 6 next computer revolution well , statistics shut people add microscopic weight arguments said , seen going believe chrysler tell us , chrysler conducted survey theory certain people convinced point maintained long enough , true , focus company \? information money information technology , , expedient toward ends bill gates drop college \? could n't afford time \? \( wsj says \) could n't wait use knew go make money \? bill gate 's answer question would highly interesting await ca n't stomach bill declaring visionary using every available opportunity build cult around ms sell dos windoze main stays kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject dividians black \? organization hand held products , inc lines 32 nntp posting host dale handheld com article hac news udel edu roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) writes article 1993apr9 medtronic com medtronic com \( robert \) writes kenneth whitehead \( kdw icd ab com \) wrote cbnewsh cb att com \( brian leary \) writes questions media politically correct people compound black guys ninja suits davidians black next question \? still thinking answers , eh \? jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject eros lxx concluding note organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 58 might better directed r c bible study , begun reading , since earlier notes posted forum , conclude well week ago , managed find time consult septuagint concordance lxx text apparatus library , conclude look greek words love used christian background translation jewish scriptures principal result cluster uses verbal noun , meaning lover cluster occurs one might expect , image \( accusation \) israel spouse yhwh verses question 2 5 , 7 10 jeremiah 4 30 , 22 20 22 lamentations 1 19 ezekiel 16 33 , 36 37 23 5 , 9 22 seems originated usage , jeremiah ezekiel picked lamentations dependent , though likely written , jeremiah erotic meaning \( use , literally \) evident english , unless complement phrase like arts word lover going sexual relationship surprise , worthwhile see standard greek usage show translations hebrew ! \) interestingly , confirmation guess later usage avoided verb \( say \) , \( ask \) , error codex vaticanus \( normally , valuable witness \) form used completely absurd context 2 samuel 20 18 , meaning must say addition \( uses already mentioned proverbs \) , esther 2 17 uses verb natural application , kai e ho r king loved esther , rather interestingly , 1 samuel 19 2 supplies modest degree support gay appraisal relationship david jonathan kai io nathan e ton jonathan , saul 's son , loved david intensely i'm using io ta , n't yet reasonable ascii convention \( relevance gay issue anything implicit historical facts , quasi official translation hebrew text hellenistic period makes bones using erotic verb context given quite general usage erotic senses , need mean anything alone would mean , relationship , far translator goes ! \) michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
pw4963 thor albany edu \( peter white \) subject mac lcii 4 80 sale organization state university new york albany distribution ny lines 10 mac lcii 4 80 purchased last august cpu mouse monitor keyboard 800 obo peter white pw4963 csc albany edu pwhite mac archive umich edu
pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) subject americans sexually repressed \? organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host kilimanjaro jpl nasa gov article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) wrote unless , course , problem homosexuality form mental disorder , caused childhood sexual abuse , number recent works suggest mr cramer , going stop blatant lies \? true , know damned well 's true none research supports mental health expert taken position opinion backed research knowledge according one survey , done san francisco , number heterosexual men molested children order 5 number homosexual men molested children order 8 source book sexual abuse children david \( sorry , title escapes \) conclusions drawn none homosexuals would stop using government impose morality others \( antidiscrimination laws \) leave children alone , would n't care least private get liberal notion proper role government tell peaceful people live , choice continue point homosexuality alternative lifestyle , sickness oh , definitely choice realize , course , approaching two year anniversary crusade planning celebrating two years lies \? incidentally , still waiting crusade african americans , women , minorities also want impose morality others , also want government tell peaceful people live therefore , really choice , continue point woman african american lifestyle , sickness 's bullshit , mr cramer bullshit began crusade 's still bullshit continually amazed depths 'll stoop carry deliberate attack paul bartholomew pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov
karner austin ibm com \( f karner \) subject thoughts originator frank karner austin ibm com organization ibm advanced workstation division lines 21 article 1993apr20 mks com , mike mks com \( mike brookbank \) writes article 1993apr15 mac cc macalstr edu acooper mac cc macalstr edu writes article bissda 4 734849678 saturn wwc edu , bissda saturn wwc edu \( dan lawrence bissell \) writes die lie \? would n't people able tell liar \? light yesterday 's events waco , texas guess answer questions obvious think waco one example think back 1972 jonestown 900 people died lie deletions correction think 1978 also , contrary earlier belief , widely accepted committed suicide , actually killed end , die lie , conviction alone thought try make point clear disclaimer opinions expressed posting mine solely represent employer way f karner aix technical support karner austin vnet ibm com
infonode ingr com \( kermit tensmeyer \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? organization intergraph corporation , huntsville , al lines 173 article acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) writes article 93111 byuvm bitnet , librba byuvm bitnet writes rick anderson writes ra robert , keep making references orthodox belief , saying ra things like held \( cf kermit thread \) ra exact body theology drawing call orthodox \? orthodox compound word comes \( straight , true , right \) \( opinion , doctrine , teaching \) use orthodox refer 'right teaching ' opposed universal catholic think greek orthodox church would take high offense misuse word version christianity neither mainstream bible derived make claims bible bible six seven months ago , claimed primary objection lds doctrine bible derived , \( \) claims shown , also bible bible right teaching derived letting god speak us bible reading simple truths scriptures using bible interpret bible simple truths oh example \? ra holds luke meant said meant \? think apparent reading scriptures pertinent luke 23 43 records christ 's promise repentant thief hung adjacent cross truly say , today paradise later christ rose dead ascended heaven \? christ heaven sunday , could repentant thief \? answer lies location paradise jesus died apparently paradise exalted heaven easter day paradise exalted heaven paradise n't equal heaven \? yet claim exalted heaven , nicht \? jesus refers middle story rich man lazarus abraham 's bosom , godly beggar lazarus carried angels \( luke 16 19 31 \) thus abraham 's bosom referred place souls redeemed waited till day christ 's resurrection read story , found abraham 's bosom n't much place , somewhere rich man could see talk abraham \? yet lifted heaven may well section hades \( hebrew sheol \) , reserved believers died faith would admitted glorious presence god heaven price redemption actually paid even none would precede presence jesus back glory father gee fairly close lds call spirit prison , called false doctrine doubtless infernal paradise souls jesus repentant thief repaired died friday afternoon sunday , risen christ first appeared mary magdalene \( john 20 17 \) two companions \( matthew 28 9 \) , presumably took glory inhabitants infernal paradise \( including abraham , lazarus , repentant thief \) read ephesians 4 8 concerning christ high , led captivity captive gave gifts unto men vers deleted reproduced quoted sunspot gopher archive presumably led whole band liberated captives hades \( e , whole population paradise \) glory heaven part supported scripture , support claim paradise christ descended exalted making claims little evidence ignores witness scripture sun sun 4 8 wherefore saith , ascended high , led captivity sun captive , gave gifts unto men sun sun \( x ref psalms 68 18 \) sun thou ascended , hast led captivity captive thou sun recieved gifts men yea rebellious , lord god sun might dwell amoung sun sun sun 4 9 \( ascended , also descended first sun lower parts earth \? 4 10 descended sun also ascended far heavens , might fill sun things \) 4 11 gave , apostles , prophets sun , evangelists , pastors teachers 4 12 sun saints , work ministry , sun body christ 4 13 till come unity sun faith , knowledge son god , unto perfect man , sun unto measure stature christ 4 14 sun henceforth children , tossed fro , carried sun every wind doctrine , men , cunning sun , whereby lie wait deceive 4 15 speaking sun truth love , may grow things , head , using argue paradise spirit prison , changed pre easter postion post easter god postion supportable claim requires evidence given ra whenever personal interpretation biblical passages ra challenged , response seems one needs merely ra look bible order see truth , ra see biblical things differently \? think characterization faulty whenever questioned , usually give reason yes , reasons general supported direct reading scriptures demonstrated claims scriptural proof need cross checked supply often support postion , read context scripture see things differently , please , put forward valid difference , discuss seem seeing notion difference one views bible somehow legitimate , except , course , stuff glean put forward contrary view perhaps discussion topic something put forward , without putting forward something else discuss , dismiss put forward giving credence alleged views yet put forward simply contentious paradise , accepted judged jesus christ , return presence god somehow different expressed view paradise spoken \( abraham 's bosom \) ra simply assume one really ra understands \? believe something drawn scripture wrong , please , show scripture wrong simply stating views proof show scripture go go back discuss view angle lord lord \) robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu kermit tensmeyer intergraph corporation ingr com deep dixie
darrylo srgenprp sr hp com \( darryl okahata \) subject help adding scsi drive \( coexist ide \? \) reply darrylo sr hp com organization hewlett packard center primal scream therapy x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 106 eric bosco \( ebosco us oracle com \) wrote first , please edit postings 50 lines quoted crud , people already read , makes people much less likely help course , n't want helped , 's problem \) true \? \? \? impression people net scsi ide working together , 's true get scsi ide work together , restrictions \( least adaptec 1542 \) must boot ide drive way boot scsi drive ide scsi drives must disable scsi rom bios \( i'm sure , though \) , must also use special drivers access scsi drive \( hmm know disable something related scsi bios , i'm sure rom \) back february , someone asked ide scsi \( question gets asked \) end message , 've included edited copy reply might find interesting darryl okahata internet darrylo sr hp com disclaimer message author 's personal opinion constitute support , opinion policy hewlett packard little green men following day 1 \) worth get scsi ide \? noticable decrease access time increase rate \? msdos applications , isa based scsi ide controllers generally comparable throughput might get slightly higher throughput scsi disk , 'll also pay disk \( 30 100 , cases \) 'll also pay much , much good scsi controller note good scsi controllers really show power 're used good multitasking operating system \( like pc unix \) unfortunately , neither msdos windows 3 1 good multitasking operating system performance advantage scsi controllers mostly wasted , leaves advantage able connect multiple devices scsi bus advantage however , note expect pay premium scsi devices 're going using msdos , stick ide 's cheaper , 'll less headaches 4 \) virtually scsi device chain controller hard drive \( bernoulli box , cd rom , tape drive , etc \) note following true msdos windows knows future holds windows nt unix \? \? \? generally , find drivers scsi device , probably n't exist unless 're using one better high performance scsi controllers typically bus mastering scsi controllers cost around 180 400 \( street prices \) , drivers allow connect controllers popular name brand scsi devices either come card , purchased \( 100 list price \) examples driver kits adaptec 's ez scsi kit \( list 75 \) works adaptec scsi controllers corelscsi ! \( people make coreldraw ! \) \( list 99 \( \? \) \) driver kit supposedly work scsi controller card aspi driver , like adaptec central point 's pc tools dos 8 0 supports number scsi tape drives \( documentation lists 40 tape drives \) unfortunately , works adaptec controllers 5 \) likely problems incompatibilities scsi controller sound cards video accelerators similar equipment yes , run problems , 're using high performance , bus mastering scsi controller n't sound right , n't \? 's true , though one controllers , 'll probably tweak system get work sound cards , floppy controller based tape drives \( like cms jumbo 250 \) , windows 3 1 know 've h back getting scsi controller work various hardware software \( thank god tape backups \) want copy adaptec 1542 hints tips file , send email problems n't really fault scsi controller card problems really general hardware software design pc \( e g , standards \) however , adding bus mastering scsi card brings problems surface makes visible scsi holds lot promise , run lot pc compatibility problems 're planning using msdos windows 3 1 , stick ide want use windows nt pc unix , 'll make hard decisions good scsi controller one scsi hard disk probably give excellent performance , possible cost msdos compatibility say , probably , , know true pc unix , n't know really true windows nt suspect , n't know sure
cue bc ca \( james macphail \) subject help ! need thermal specs nntp posting host cue bc ca organization computer using educators b c , canada lines 19 i'm work mac iisi need information cpu motorola ad rev 1 , fear date characteristics cpu package type used iisi need theta \( jc \) thermal characteristic \( junction case thermal resistance \) plastic fe style package info , would appreciate sending email postings suffer days delay keen stuff , also interested accurate value typical power dissipation i'm assuming 2 25 watts \( using 2 6 w maximum 0 c decreased way pd drops ta increases \) manual chart power dissipation , 'd like know reads 25 c 40 c thanks reading ! james macphail cue bc ca \( bounce try james phy queensu ca \)
madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) subject free moral agency organization society putting things top things distribution na lines 20 bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) writes see still ca n't grasp obvious , devious nature , find fault argument misrepresenting \? gee , since ignored entire substance substantial post , got lot nerve claiming n't understand 's talked respond previous post shut fuck 're really annoying maddi hausmann madhaus netcom com centigram communications corp san jose california 408 428 3553 kids , please n't try home remember , post professionally
rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) subject diamond products boycot \? nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 37 article austin ibm com lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com writes article 1993apr23 monu6 cc monash edu au ins413j mdw056 cc monash edu au \( markfried fellensiek \) writes come think , though , hear see lot complaints ati boards , though recent word looks like build 59 code looks much better build 59 still number problems fonts , instance , crystal fonts enabled problems color others n't use drivers mode 1024x768x256 , bugs modes ca n't say anyone accelerated video board drivers windows \( os 2 \? \) modes function properly \? anyone \? anyone \? honest , , found one bug diamond viper drivers , seems , microsoft word , select format border , click shading take look patterns 5 pattern swapped 90 , whole list completely reversed looks right , take another machine \( e , gup ss24x machine \) print iy shows badly ! keep mind use mainly mode , ca n't speak others , otherwise drivers seem pretty solid 's big , noisy iq 8 \? operation rescue
organization bar ilan university computing center , israel vm ac il subject postscript bmp conversion lines 13 hi working project visual basic ver 2 0 need show postcript files getting another , ca n't show postscript directly form visual basic \( least n't know \) , need utility convert bmp , wmf help sent asimov nl
cpt umd umich edu \( paul \) subject win lock 16 mil dia help ! keywords stelth organization university michigan lines 19 nntp posting host cw u04 umd umich edu please help whenever try run windows 16 million color mode drivers diamond stelth 24x lock full system reset break drivers windows v 1 00 windows 3 1 \( version windows \) setup 4 megs ram 14 svga touch monitor non interlaced ami bios help would , card seems work fine modes , usually run windows 800x600 mode probs , driver card problem paul cpt umd umich edu
austin ibm com \( wants know \? \) subject deals bad organization ibm austin x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 27 thomas cf dev \( baritone \) wrote article 1993apr20 iscsvax uni edu harter5255 iscsvax uni edu writes wanted let know honest good people \( even outside iowa \) i'm sorry anyone thinks wasting space , thought might want relief thief posts think n't hear bad deals , would nice hear good news nice kevin post one misled , vast majority honest good people fact , latest study , 99 7 net deals went smoothly without hitch 's bad ones get publicity agreed yet run problem deals net bought things cds \( plenty ! \) full computer small problem ups rather seller besides , complaints always get publicity something goes wrong , people complain rarely seen posts stating well deal went guess kevin practically first ! 'd rather swimming samuel \( 512 \) 823 ibm austin , e mail austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com speaking ibm
cbnewsd cb att com \( john n le \) subject sony 8mm camcorder sale organization bell labs , naperville , il usa distribution usa keywords sony 8mm camcorder lines 25 sale sony 8mm camcorder model pro v9 top line years ago autofocus macro capability 6x zoom 5 lux rating 360 , 000 pixel ccd chip , best made 8mm camcorder av input output jacks \( cables included \) rf convertor switcher tv without av input ac adaptor charger 1 5a battery neck trap user 's manual mint condition list price model 1600 , paid 1330 mail order years ago sacrifice 500 best offer reason sale upgrade hi8 model john n le \( 708 \) 713 bell labs , naperville , il usa email uucp ! att ! ihlpe ! internet ihlpe att com
odysseas umbc edu \( odysseas \) subject unix pc software sale article umbc7 distribution world organization university maryland , baltimore county campus lines 17 nntp posting host umbc7 umbc edu x auth user odysseas hello , two sale one 1mb ram one 2mb ram system running 3 version loaded lots software network like gcc , emacs , tex latex asking 500 1mb , 650 2mb model best offer odysseas odysseas umbc7 umbc edu university md electrical engineering dept odysseas polaris ab umd edu \( 301 \) 498 \( 410 \) 706 2042
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject use haldol elderly organization florida state university acns reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu lines 37 i'm nursing student , would like respond haldol elderly message id fsphy1 physics fsu edu organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 first , i'm sorry hear see grandmother go know tough many things cause long term confusion elderly adults change environment cause problems anesthetic agents cause confusion body cannot clear medicines body easily addition , medications interactions medications cause confusion far whether haldol long lasting effects even drug discontinued , know seen anything effect however , also looking information see find tell haldol drug , , according drug handbook , especially useful associated senile dementia \( p 400 \) also discontinued abruptly say anything long lasting effects many things cause confusion , hard know else going time history , might able answer better want send e mail information , would happy try help piece together might happened elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu
cower csli stanford edu \( richard cower \) subject cnn report fbi atf killing americans organization csli , stanford university distribution usa lines 16 cnn reported atf fbi begun killing everyone united states press release stated action required bugs revealed many people something illegal homes , statistical data indicated n't might someday something illegal atf spokesperson , shot , stated would clean things citizens gathered groups 100 , fbi indicated burn , like waco n't decided new proposed energy tax enter , irs representative stated 're looking tax code determine taxes really end death many dead americans , n't want overlook anything atf agent ran room , shot stay tuned rich
aidler sol uvic ca \( e alan idler \) subject new thought deuterocanonicals organization university victoria lines 26 mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) writes often times \( recently list last days \) 've heard passage revelation whoever adds sacred words book whoever removes words book feel ridiculous two reasons 2 good reasons deleted ai one takes translation book rev 18 22 \( somewhere around \) mean scripture , us likely holding something violation command 's even worse ye shall add unto word command , neither shall ye diminish \( deut 4 2 \) shall rip every page bibles beginning joshua revelation \? idler
acollins uclink berkeley edu \( andy collins \) subject packet radio pc article agate organization university california , berkeley lines 25 nntp posting host uclink berkeley edu article regmad gsusgi1 gsu edu regmad gsusgi2 gsu edu \( michael de kraker \) writes koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes i'm looking information regarding packet radio implementation pc software , hardware , whatever michael de kraker question packet radio deleted georgia state university 404 651 rec radio amateur packet \? least site , general packet radio \( e non amateur \) newsgroup said , would definately subscribe r r packet want learn aspects amateur packet radio , high low ends also , would get faq group , post specific questions group everything could tell probably faq , people really know 's going seem r r packet \( although might , never know \) hope helps andy collins , acollins uclink berkeley edu
neep neep wisc edu \( \) subject rally bosnia \( washington c saturday , may 15 , 93 \) organization univ wis , madison , neep department distribution talk politics mideast lines 53 following announcement bosnia task force , usa yusuf islam \( formerly cat stevens london \) muhammad ali \( former champion \) grand washington rally saturday , may 15 , 93 twenty twenty five thousands expected march demanding end genocide bosnia rally begin lafayette park front white house largest planned rally ever muslims america , bosnia task force , usa called upon muslims usa hold rallies usa muslims 400 miles radius , however , requested come washington c rally front white house rally start sharp may 15 , 93 front white house march capitol hill requested lafayette park noon going big rally 20 , 000 persons expected participate new york targeting 50 buses people far texas arizona coming never washington 's history many muslims marched ready historical event \? call every one know bring rally demands 1 \) recognize genocidal nature milosevic regime aggression 2 \) lift arms embargo bosnian government 3 \) provide bosnian government arms self defence 4 \) use nato air power enforce conscience world community serbia 5 \) begin war crime immediately part solution , part problem ! members bosnia task force , usa , , ministry imam w mohammed , national community , bosnia action committee chicago , new york , american muslim council , michigan islamic council , balkan muslim association phone \( 312 \) 829 fax \( 312 \) 829 anyone interested putting end genocide committed bosnia join rally regardless religious association
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject benjamin franklin reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 206 article 1993apr27 midway uchicago edu thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes hamaza , racist , arun cited evidence show called racist prophecy 1934 forgery means prophecy exist address sources , actually care truth , rather spreading lies , bigotry , hatred coming self exposed historical revisionist , self admitted anti muslim genocide apologist , hamaza take drivel compliment furthermore , even deny obvious genocide muslims carried order fascist x soviet armenian government massacres muslims must studied detail , first modern example horrible crime genocide blame must armenians supporters murder muslims turkish historic homeland , emptied native population today , remains occupied x soviet armenian government today , x soviet armenia covers genocide perpetrated predecessors therefore accessory crime humanity x soviet armenia must pay crime genocide muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds following jewish armenian sources cold blooded genocide perpetrated x soviet armenian government 2 5 million muslim people 1914 1920 still denying obvious \? source stanford j shaw , armenian collaboration invading russian armies 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university press 1977 \) pp 315 316 april 1915 dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city van , whose 33 , 789 armenians comprised 42 3 percent population , closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april 28 , 1915 , armenian volunteers reached van may 14 organized carried general slaughter local muslim population next two days knowing numbers would never justify territorial ambitions , armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning first world war decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state , ottoman empire , assist instead invading russian armies hope participation russian success would rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders , army officers , common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia 1914 beginning world war , degree armenian collaboration ottoman 's enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines cut guerilla attacks , armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations , turn massacred muslim population province van anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies source stanford j shaw , history ottoman empire modern turkey , vol ii cambridge university press , london , 1979 , pp 314 317 meanwhile , czar nicholas ii came caucasus make final plans cooperation armenians ottomans , president armenian national bureau tiflis declaring response countries armenians hurrying enter ranks glorious russian army , blood serve victory russian arms let russian flag wave freely dardanelles bosporus let , , great majesty , peoples remaining turkish yoke receive freedom let armenian people turkey suffered faith christ receive resurrection new free life protection russia ' 155 armenians flooded czarist armies preparations made strike ottomans rear , czar returned st petersburg confident day finally come reach istanbul 155 horizon , tiflis , november 30 , 1914 , quoted hovannisian , road independence , p 45 fo 2485 , 2484 46942 , 22083 ottoman morale military position east seriously hurt , way prepared new russian push eastern anatolia , accompanied open armenian revolt sultan 156 156 hovannisian , road independence , pp 45 47 , iii 1 , pp 349 380 w e allen p muratoff , caucasian battlefields , cambridge , 1953 , pp 251 277 ali , harb , 2 vols , ankara , 1951 , ii , 41 160 fo 2146 fo 2485 fo 2484 , nos 46942 22083 armenian state organized van russian protection , appeared muslim natives dead driven away , might able maintain one oldest centers ancient armenian civilization armenian legion organized 'to expel turks entire southern shore lake preparation concerted russian drive bitlis vilayet ' 162 thousands armenians mus major centers east began flood new armenian state mid july many 250 , 000 armenians crowded van area , crisis housed fed 50 , 000 people , muslim non muslim alike 163 162 hovannisian , road independence , p 56 , nos 163 , vukela mazbatalari , debates august 15 17 , 1915 ali evrak odasi , 175 , 321 , van ami , 1333 10 september 1915 source hovannisian , richard g armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia 130 , 000 square miles estimated population entire region 1886 4 , 700 , 000 , 940 , 000 \( 20 percent \) armenian , 1 , 200 , 000 \( 25 percent \) georgian , 2 , 220 , 000 \( 45 percent \) moslem latter group , 1 , 140 , 000 tatars paradoxically , barely one third transcaucasia 's armenians lived erevan guberniia , christians constituted majority three seven uezds erevan uezd , administrative center province , 44 , 000 armenians compared 68 , 000 moslems time russian census 1897 , however , armenians established scant majority , 53 percent , guberniia risen 1916 60 percent , 670 , 000 1 , 120 , 000 inhabitants impressive change province 's ethnic character notwithstanding , , eve creation armenian republic , solid block 370 , 000 tartars continued dominate southern districts , outskirts ereven border persia \( see also map 1 historic armenia map 4 administrative subdivisions transcaucasia \) 1920 , '0' percent turk closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 appropriate analogy jewish holocaust might systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted least 30 40 percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated eye witnessed atrocities published u 1926 title 'men like ' references abound \( rachel bortnick jewish times june 21 , 1990 \) 1 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1926 memoirs armenian army officer translated english published member american near east relief organization gives whole account genocide turkish moslem people armenia organized executed armenian government army also gives account countless massacres atrocities turkish people armenia 2 adventures near east , 1918 22 rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 eyewitness account genocide british army officer 3 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 another eyewitness account genocide american officer 4 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) memoirs chief armenian delegate paris peace conference published armenian review magazine 13 articles volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) volume 17 \( spring 1964 \) memoirs include interview aharonian british foreign minister lord curzon mentioned genocide discussed official report mentioned lord curzon report british high commissioner , sir oliver wardrop serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject people become atheists \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 108 article may 11 02 36 32 1993 athos rutgers edu mayne nu cs fsu edu writes article may 9 05 40 51 1993 athos rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes stuff dealing deleted comparable christianity main stream western culture experiences others sorry mean think understand experiences much worse small bit ridicule put guess n't really understand remember like different christian told time different , fact members church really christians \( though others believed god n't bad atheists \) , small minority nothing compared atheist wow , pretty conservative church \( please excuse seems like ridiculous understatement \) thing comparable would young child christian surrounded staunch atheists , including parents , actively persecute religious actual punishments , even worse , emotional blackmail would also whole mainstream society side maybe conditions could occured old soviet union country god pledge allegiance \( side note , god n't recently believe father , sixties , remembers saying pledge allegiance without n't know history behind though \) emotional blackmail ouch thank goodness \( 'll neutral thanks \) \) raised completely tolerant household , could make decisions ! doubt even , children taught christians hence must support somewhere atheism n't taught , christianity guess see , although see child believing sort god without anything imagination basis \( sorry , guess sort minor \) query parallel lack choice homosexuals lack choice atheist deleted yes atheism born necessity intellectually honest person belief mostly response evidence hmm , wonder christian \? n't flame , real wonder anyone else opinions offer believe something n't necessarily proven \? wishes nothing could choose lie , silent true beliefs could choose believe god christianity could decide ordinary sky looks red sounds like atheist nature , possible least part due apparently repressive nature christianity childhood \? getting personal perhaps ignore , take email still clear i'm equating went gays go however mistake assume everyone goes painful experiences broken happily made stronger , get past may general remark sound broken , indeed stronger must say n't hurt experiences church friends n't become atheists hurt differently i'm sure understand sentence could explain \? without going details violating childhood friends suffice say religion guarantee person happy strong emotionally , repressive upbringing leave scars even , especially , n't get free doubt sane sincere person doubts feel need defend yes , agree 've seen damage repressive religion , result intend raise children much look around accepting one religious stand \( atheism included \) question everything important way much happier stronger closet end , someone eloquently put private email , experience liberation rather see bill mayne cheers , vera je une ame , qui course n't agree farmer 's religious views je suis think 're interesting generation \( vera noyes \) farmer noye midway uchicago edu
stephen orchid ucsc edu \( \) subject could backwards \? new study gay percentage organization santa cruz lines 28 nntp posting host orchid ucsc edu article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes purpose post \? show mindless obsession statistics , incredibly flawed system reasoning , repellent hatemonger agenda , purpose accomplished panache \( \) get clue \( b \) get life \( c \) get face i'm bi andrew simchik schnopia ! yes rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face n't imposing moral standards gay people want rent , hire , put associate , \( know law requires associate gay people \) \? works ways people want equal opportunity things lie public domain gigantic step forward people take people based upon ability talent , rather skin color , eye color , height , weight , sexual orientation \( use last one meaning gay , bi , straight , let 's go tangent pedophiles , rapist , etc \)
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject robert 's biological alchemy lines 106 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine robert , i'm glad posted biological alchemy discussion 've compared famous robert mcelwaine readers sci med n't know respond since seen one posts \( like n't read yeast connection \) let start stating authors cold fusion papers recent years scientific exile \( believe one actually left country \) scientific fraud rare i'm still sure review research notes cold fusion scientists actually proved fraud shoddy experimentation sources seem research articles like lay texts designed human interest subject area \( like food combining life extension texts \) robert , try keep open mind things ca n't buy \( one taking sod orally prevent oxidative damage body \) experiment , conducted readers news group , would prove right \( ash seed \) unless use obtain high temperature \( 600 degrees believe \) , get organic residue ash even residue commercial contains organic residue remember kind experiment organic chemistry college could n't find temperature mineral ash formation i'm really guessing 600 degrees f , may actually much higher point one home could ever get high enough temperature produce mineral ash also could measure minerals could weigh ash find appear correct chemical reactions abound body , atmosphere , water soil fusion reactions \? yes many involve fusing oxygen , nitrogen sulfur really transformation silicone calcium carbon fused silicon \? book robert silicon abundant mineral planet 've seen speculation man could evolved silicon based rather carbon based life form like reading science fiction , many people know enough biochemistry \( nutrition \) able \( cases \) separate fiction fact silicon may one trace elements turns essential humans several grams stuff body 's \? lord knows right tell know silicon , state , helps bone healing \( silicon transformed calcium \) almost silicon human body found tissue \( \) studies published show high silicon content may important protective factor \( higher silicon content , resistant age related loss may play role increase blood pressure often seen part process humans \) bone healing , first step matrix calcium phosphate pumped high level silicon diet seems speed matrix formation first step bone healing process seems hardest people get going currents used attempt get matrix forming cells oriented right direction matrix formed gap \( gaps \) ends broken bone vitamin c deficiency \( slowing formation well causing defective \) slow bone wound healing zinc also another big player bone wound healing silicon \( undetermined role likely matrix formation transformation silicon calcium \) take bone healing observation use proof silicon transformed calcium interesting little trick robert , problem read lay press \( yes even scientific papers \) explanation reasonable \? without good science knowledge base , readers news group flying blind \( take faith n't know better \) explanation seems make sense based knowledge base , i'm inclined consider \( usually means trying find sources come conclusion \) idea \( like candida bloom \) seems make sense , tend pursue long advice i'm going give n't going really mess somebody makes us kindred souls robert , guess 'll live label physicians decided read response robert 's interesting post , hope saw segment pediatric neurosurgeon last night u tv ca n't remember network name \( like many nights , computer wife watching tv den computer setup \) neurosurgeon takes kids brain tumors everyone else given uses unconventional treatments \( words \) says 70 success rate one case heard discussing would normally use radiation \( conventional treatment \) going go cut guys complain cost anti fungals think cost difference radiation treatment surgery guys \? i'm going ask guys one time , blast physician takes chronic sinus sufferer \( like jon \) chronic gi sufferer \( like elaine \) tries help using unconventional treatments \? treatments result death \( like neurosurgeon uses \? \) candida blooms life threatening brain tumors \? quality life guys \? may candida demon never cross sinus cavity gut \( , may feel differently issue \) marty b
gordon perkins igc apc org subject perot pay 7 income taxes \? nf id n cdp 000 249 nf cdp uucp ! apr 20 19 05 00 1993 lines 6 seeking press references much tax perot pays income taxes 've heard figure 7 percent , since gets income federal municipal bond interest anybody read reliable report somewhere \? thanks !
gt7187c prism gatech edu \( thomas oates \) subject pc tools 7 1 sale organization georgia institute technology lines 16 sale pc tools version 7 1 original disks manuals included 50 best offer please send replies gt7187c prism gatech edu thomas oates atlanta braves gt7187c prism gatech edu 1992 national league champions prodigy ca n't stop chop ! ! ! georgia institute technology
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject waco burning organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 27 v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes imagine happens magazine explodes \? generally ship sinks \( sorry , 's picture uss iowa next desk \) bullets go flying every imho , gunshot wounds actually caused magazines went first , unless round little threat penetration bullet , brass matter unless expanding gas held enclosed space get nice pop enough threat even firefighters worry finally , 's rather simple tell person shot prior burned crisp see , time ammunition went people quite dead look blood around wound , particularly however , 's contention makes little difference whether died exploding ammunition fire feds seem shared responsibility dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
jviv usmi01 midland chevron com \( john viveiros \) subject waco panama organization chevron lines 15 n't recognized names previous discussions , notice blame clinton actions batf waco unless felt way bush 's direct command panama , 's partisan whining expect see way condemn one i'm sure tell killing thousands civilians serve arrest warrant much better allowing 80 religious fanatics commit suicide following botched attempt batf serve search warrant john viveiros \( jviv chevron com \) chevron usa standard disclaimer applies midland tx
speth cats ucsc edu \( james \) subject development tools 8051 \? organization university california santa cruz lines 9 nntp posting host ucsc edu could someone point toward source \( ftp bbs whatever \) development tools 8051 microprocessor specifically looking macintosh cross assembler also , mailing list dedicated discussing 8051 \? thanks james speth email pgp compatible public key speth cats ucsc edu
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu subject gun like american express card distribution usa 9 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu lines 26 article 1993apr23 csd newshost stanford edu , andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) says many lines deleted subject kind funny though one picked part sister social worker keeping date e th gang thing everyone else seemed skim part actually , us experience social workers ignored ah , freeman prejudiced \( look see mean freeman \) freeman pre judging someone knows facts guess happen best \( case worst \) us quit 're behind , andy freeman thinks behind actually quite top things point seems missing certain point accuracy tedious ridiculous see freeman 's next post explanation jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject vandalizing sky x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 30 dale sez mr hathaway 's post right money , little lengthy short , orbiting billboard would trash , way billboard earth trash billboards make place look laws many places prohibiting use light pollution complaints mainly attempt find tangible reason orbiting billboards people n't feel morally justified complain grounds things would defile beauty sky n't buy things value , people would n't spend money make lack value opinion , actual fact , neither legal basis prohibiting hand , lived il , laws prohibit billboards , mention think fine law , despite 's contradictory basis would guess best legal moral basis protest would violation private property bought house , , specifically enjoy hobby , amateur astronomy billboard made investment worthless , want price property , damages would n't take many succesful cases like make bill sats expensive tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk communicated communists , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm pacified pacifists
distribution world elenay creations tcs las vegas nv us \( anthony saxton \) organization cyber sanctum bbs 702 435 subject apple 8 24 gc video card lines 18 friend mine recently acquired 8 ! 24 gc card iisi wondering always starts black white know numerous reports worth gc , wondering anyone could elaborate little subject replies encouraged thanks ad vance joe kasanic 've similar problems w board types , problem result 8 24gc board ! try pram holding command option p r startup ! reset everything previous preferences \( date time remain intact ! \) , video board start remembering 's previous settings ! anthony saxton elenay creations
john michael santore jsbh andrew cmu edu subject goalie mask poll update 4 22 93 organization sophomore , mathematics , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 28 2431 canisius edu nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply 2431 canisius edu anyone voting john blue best goalie mask poll shot site , questions asked \) c'mon 's black mask , yellow paint along opening totally plain vanilla ! heh , someone mentioned tommy soderstrom \( flyers \) mask poll \( mentioned part \) plain white helmet big cage found pretty amusing john santore philadelphia flyers '93 '94 ! break surface tension wild kinetic dreams rush , grand designs \( \) \) \) go philadelphia flyers ! john santore \( jsbh andrew cmu edu \) rush yes king crimson emerson , lake palmer marillion genesis \( w gabriel \)
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject info colonics purification \? organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 8 colonics health fad 19th century , persists day except certain medical conditions , reason certainly normal person frequent use lead condition person unable normal bowel passage , essentially person becomes addicted understand , unpleasant condition , would best avoid
phillip edu au subject pov ray vax computer \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? reply phillip edu au organization rmit , campus , victoria , australia lines 13 hi , i'm using pov ray ibm compatible home , would like run things work vax computer believe version source code pov ray vax specific , i'm sure find \( 've looked several sites ibmpc version found \) anyone help \? thanks advance , ross rmit , melbourne , australia internet address , phillip edu au \( clever yet , busy playing pov ray \)
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization hand held products , inc lines 87 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu \( brandon ray \) writes previous article , nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) says article btr btr com michaelh public btr com \( michael hahn michaelh btr com \) writes partial list excellent socialist tolls 've taken unpopular religious ethnic social groups mao tse tung millions killed j stalin millions killed hitler millions killed pol pot 100 , killed \? w j clinton 100 killed , relax 's hundred days people rather amusing perverse sort way take tragic unpleasant situation feel terrible , assign blame anybody everybody without link incident simply n't fit extremely narrow definition good clinton responsible \? law enforcement action granted , nationally covered incident clinton outcome fred perhaps 've rock last days \? batf fbi federal agencies clinton admitted front news cameras janet reno \( future attorney general \) gave full briefing planned , gave go ahead maybe , possibly , makes bit responsible \? fbi , cia , batf , etc federal agencies , correct think visible clear chain command prez , agencies inform reno informs clinton , etc naive agencies operate distinct seperate entities ultimate accountability prez , make moves , tell prez , says , knew along may seem right , may fit idealistic need see structured chain command leading white house , thats way , , composed 3 4 people talk regular basis , lunch , maybe golf together agree , fbi , batf messed i'm sure stormed compound way , witnesses religious minority country protestantism minority religion world bds cult definitions history cults say persecute religious ethnic enclave koresh said messiah raised baptist , although practice religion think big guy upstairs digging , , right wing morons associated religion anyway , messiah taught would carrying gun , let alone stockpiling weapons doubt batf reports want , david koresh poor soul persecuted information coming u government keep public opinion side , believe things former cult members said true anyway , another excuse try blame president clinton something people attempt political motives ashamed ones keeping country reaching full potential seem make two points one ultimately federal agencies mention , since koresh apparently different view point baptist upbringing , worthy protection religious persecution messiah , christ within us \? must comforting belong government approved religion baptists cult , two , btw , definitions dictionary cult jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
ind25 blurt oswego edu subject ugliest stance organization suny college oswego , oswego , ny lines 4 n't know think phil plantier ugliest stance looks like 's sitting toilet brian rosen
ccu umanitoba ca \( anson sen mak \) subject 77 's \? nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 18 article 1r23on 4p6 bigboote wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) writes need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated thanx logistician reigns supreme ! ! ! go blue ! ! ! go tigers ! ! ! go pistons ! ! ! go lions ! ! ! go red wings ! ! ! ching wpi wpi edu pierre turgeon nyi , paul coffey 77 hope help anson
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization best minds generation , destroyed madness reply ebrandt jarthur claremont edu 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 22 34 15 gmt keywords penn could sneak key generation vault keys nsa probably 1993apr21 132318 16981 ulysses att com news claremont edu nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 26 article news claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) writes article 1993apr21 132318 16981 ulysses att com smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes remember 've promised let committee outside experts see cryptosystem design hope silicon jocks committee follow algorithm hardware doubt nsa would pull monkey business point expect chip reverse engineered sooner later 's obvious opportunity introduce additional holes chip n't place pull monkey business key generation , either mathematical backdoor , program laptop supposedly generates keys also save copy s1 s2 leak somehow , program supposedly puts official keys chip actually put different key \( hard detect , since escrow agents either trust nsa laptop give keys , still n't know algorithm \) chip burner factory make copies keys whatever pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
donrm sr hp com \( montgomery \) subject feverfew migraines organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 4 lines 12 brenda bowden \( brenda eng sun com \) wrote anyone know studies \? experience feverfew \? keep accurate log migraine attack frequency feverfew n't seem anything however , eliminating caffeine seems pre vent onset migraine case words , caffeine , migraines montgomery donrm sr hp com
mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com \( mike dahmus \) subject challenge microsoft supporters distribution usa news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 17h vishnepolsky r rogers lines 29 reply vnet ibm com \( mike dahmus \) disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host schleppo bocaraton ibm com organization development , , ibm boca raton om 1993may17 microsoft com cliffga microsoft com \( clifford garrett \) writes yes , lot os 2 2 0 common os 2 1 x written guys however , many things made os 2 2 0 much successful \( win os 2 , workplace shell \) previous versions ibm work yes , certainly ibm wrote windows code ! ! ! cliff , know difference windows win os 2 \? 's helpful hint running windows os 2 2 0 possible real mode , dos box course , possible windows 3 0 , since windows 3 1 longer real mode ability run standard mode , ability os 2 windows clipboard , ability run seamless , things added ibm win os 2 , everybody running windows real mode dos box os 2 2 x raise hand finally , everybody running win os 2 os 2 , raise hand get picture , cliff \? mike dahmus internet vnet ibm com vnet boca development ibm mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com ibm personal systems disclaimer official ibm spokesman
subject flames final stats playoff news caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 118 news first time season , flames injury free player remaining limp center carey wilson , even healthy , major part team trent yawney score goal season last regular season game san jose first year game , also scored goals game 1 game 2 los angeles thoughts game 1 flames played horribly dropping first game series los angeles 6 3 sunday afternoon seemed interested throwing big hits scoring goals physically dominated kings , area dominated game plan rush net try take advantage young , inexperienced l defence shaky kings goaltending , plans fell flames conducted steady march penalty box stupid theoren fleury taking five minute major game misconduct slamming warren rychel 's face dasher rychel knees goaltender mike vernon played well could really faulted loss , despite well publicized poor record afternoon games got little support defence clearing front net sweeping away rebounds fact , marty mcsorley 's goal actually went chris dahlquist 's skate front net thoughts game 2 flames came back strong second game , evidently aware potentially fatal consequences losing first two games home ice first period fairly even , edge going kings calgary came strong second period simply dominated kings , scoring five goals take lead never en route 9 4 win deciding factors game special teams calgary dominated game 1 , able make better use game first one calgary also went 3 5 powerplay l went 1 8 gave shorthanded goal joel otto l 's powerplay goal also came late game outcome already decided powerplay failed needed , 1st 2nd periods flames lost rw greg paslawski suspected shoulder injury leveled alexei zhitnik right scoring calgary 's 7th goal charlie huddy left game kings groin injury game marred stupidity last minute first , craig berube calgary took five minute major fighting plus game misconduct went tony granato apparent reason granato drew minor strange reason \( perhaps \) followed 30 seconds later warren rychel drawing major , minor , game misconduct hitting frank musil face stick fight musil got fighting major strange reason hardy yawney went toe toe got double minors \( thought musil amounted fighting , yawney hardy throwing punches roughing \? 's guy \) upcoming games friday april 23 , l sunday april 25 , l tuesday april 27 , home l thursday april 29 , l \( necessary \) saturday may 1 , home l \( necessary \) injuries c carey wilson , recurring knee injuries \( dec 10 \) 1992 93 calgary flames final regular season statistics pos name gp g pts pim 14 rw theoren fleury 83 34 66 100 14 88 26 c robert reichel 80 40 48 88 25 54 20 gary suter 81 23 58 81 1 112 10 lw gary roberts 58 38 41 79 32 172 25 c joe nieuwendyk 79 38 37 75 9 52 42 rw sergei makarov 71 18 39 57 0 40 2 al macinnis 50 11 43 54 15 61 29 c joel otto 75 19 33 54 2 150 28 lw paul ranheim 83 21 22 43 4 26 23 rw greg paslawski 73 18 24 42 3 12 22 rw ron stern 70 10 15 25 4 207 15 lw brent ashton 58 10 13 23 11 52 11 lw chris lindberg 62 9 12 21 3 18 34 roger johansson 77 4 16 20 13 62 18 trent yawney 63 1 16 17 9 67 3 frank musil 80 6 10 16 28 131 39 c brian skrudland 39 7 7 14 4 65 16 lw craig berube 77 4 8 12 6 209 7 michel petit 35 3 9 12 5 54 4 kevin dahl 61 2 9 11 9 56 33 c carey wilson \( \) 22 4 7 11 10 8 5 chris dahlquist 74 3 7 10 0 66 21 alexander 27 3 4 7 6 19 19 rw todd 15 2 3 5 4 22 12 lw paul 27 2 3 5 2 41 35 g jeff reese 26 0 4 4 0 4 6 greg smyth 35 1 2 3 2 95 30 g mike vernon 64 0 2 2 0 42 27 rw thomas 6 0 2 2 0 0 \? \? c shawn 1 0 0 0 0 2 \? \? lw patrick lebeau 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 g andrei trefilov 1 0 0 0 0 2 name gp min gaa w l en ga sa save 30 mike vernon 64 3732 3 27 29 26 9 4 2 203 888 35 jeff reese 26 1311 3 26 14 4 1 0 1 71 631 889 1 andrei trefilov 1 65 4 62 0 0 1 0 0 5 39 872 team totals 84 3 30 43 30 11 4 3 283 886
pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu \( pablo iglesias \) subject braves update ! ! organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 23 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article news duke edu fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) writes argument reasonable players umpires deleted incidentally , reasonable home plate umpire would resistant seeking appeal first base umpire , gant requested home plate umpire appealed first , first base umpire could strike , gant would upset call ball , catcher requested appeal , likely home plate umpire would asked help yes , baseball rules say appeal ball strike decision made umpire regarding appeal called strike call could changed thought umpire right thing pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject genocide caused atheism organization sgi lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 6e1 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes area , care whether someone sceptical , critical autonomous one hand , gullible , excitable easily led indeed may one may atheist also gullible , excitable easily led would say tendency worship tyrants ideologies indicates person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero rather earthly one seems beside point sure whether atheists discussing , whether easily led show hypothetical atheists gullible , excitable easily led concrete cause case would also discuss concrete cause , rather atheism , factor caused subsequent behaviour i'm arguing atheism causes behaviour merely relevant definition atheism , belief throw away faq ask mr o'dwyer , since define thing rest us talk jon
cogsci ed ac uk \( richard \) subject overriding default wm behaviour organization human communication research center lines 18 reply rgasch nl oracle com 's message 27 apr 93 18 30 48 gmt create window place want set program position field wm normal hints property , map , assuming non brain dead window manager , user say whether want us program specified positions tvtwm command , i'm sure time message gets local news timewarp someone advised set user position bit wm normal hints 's evil 's disservice users god come night remove vital organs blunt spoon even contemplate cogsci ed ac uk
jpsb neosoft com \( jim shirreffs \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization neosoft communications services \( 713 \) 684 5900 keywords nata thing ! ! lines 8 think 200 tax evasion justifies armed assault government 100 armed men trailers , orchestrated character assassination , noise torture , holocaust \? shit , i'm going lot filling income tax ! jim shirreffs
hamid mcrcim mcgill edu \( hamid reza mohammadi daniali \) subject happy birthday israel ! originator hamid dali mcrcim mcgill edu nntp posting host dali mcrcim mcgill edu organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines 11 article news cso uiuc edu , eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes israel happy 45th birthday ! anybody information number people killed israel 44 happy year \? hamid
uci edu \( steve gross \) subject disks copy protected nntp posting host ut uci edu organization uc irvine college medicine lines 52 article 1993apr23 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes article rcstage1 128 urc tue nl rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) writes article 1993apr22 163605 24784 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes believe companies implement plus special patch user registers loudly exclaims upon bootup registered xxxxx address , city , state zip disables two benefits 1 \) encourages registration , 2 \) cuts pirating makes traceable , patch 's registration message encrypted , quite hard change , therefore provides stable trail allowed copy hands , thus violated license agreement take two copies different registration id , compare byte byte know located usually able find probably , point company make registration patch , sure , probably find another user compare notes , \? 's hindering way unless hacking problem people cut much quoting keeps form registering john doe company public domain , yellow brick road 1 , something \? \? \? nothing , read whole suggestion , i'm saying register via mail mailing registration card , company send patch includes info put registration card kasey chang i'm glad see idea come 've something similar mind authorization key computed name address data user registers , n't even need send executable code , compute key send instructions enter appropriate place following name joe doe address 123 main street city , ca key every user needs unique key executable propagate much like , author respond registration e mail , post card , whatever unauthorized users would put someone else 's name showing \( maybe main menu screen well startup message \) authorized users make many copies like , upgrade machines , whatever main motivation guilt irritation seeing someone registered owner
lauger ssdgwy mdc com \( john lauger \) subject sumatripton \( spelling \? \) organization mcdonnell douglas aerospace lines 25 nntp posting host mdc com article cruzio santa cruz ca us , roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us wrote recently heard testing new migraine drug called sumatripton \( idea actual spelling \) supposedly utilizes chemical trips neuro transmitters mother regular migraines nothing seems help anyone know anything new drug \? testing anywhere near approval \? seem working \? girlfriend started taking drug really helped get rebound withdrawl got analgesics n't mail account , asked forward distributor imitrex drug 's brand name works call pharmacy info miracle drug used years europe time canada trials u completed drug hit us market end march pharmacies n't stock yet presently needs injected although testing starting nasal spray form mimics serotonin \( molecular structure fits onto pain receptors looks identical serotonin model saw \) opinions mine others definately mda 's ! lauger ssdgwy mdc com mcdonnell douglas aerospace , huntington beach , california , usa
phoenix oulu fi \( kari tikkanen \) subject burden proof organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 26 mark mccullough \( mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \) wrote entertainment \( company \) sell computer programs saying virus safe doesn`t burden proof viruses don`t exist floppies \? n't think assumption turns software virus , prove fact court get damages theoretically suppossed able get damages , give evidence virus came software since computer company , proven guilty right i'm wo n't lawyer doctors \? going fly \( drive car \) doctors look different kind illnesses get permission fly burden proof harmful illnesses n't exist , \? \( i'm questioning belief believers burden proof \) please , pascal ! ! ! \) oh ! bug generator c programmers \? \) turbo pascal best fastest edit run edit run cycles ! phoenix oulu fi kari tikkanen ! ! b ! begin
paul data io com \( paul brownlow \) subject sharks review part 5 left wings organization data corporation lines 29 article apple com , chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) writes nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes 45 dody wood season 1st acquired 3rd round pick 1991 entry draft grade \( , although perhaps n't give grade \) accused knocking wood much \? nah seriously , even tough guy \( rep \) however , games season point meaningless , hate judge talent quickly dody 's case , tempted make exception wo n't wood played junior career seattle one leading scorers mediocre team traded away 1992 rarely lost fight one toughest players whl however , extremely surprised drafted , especially third round certainly n't look like nhl material paul brownlow visualize data corp redmond , wa paul data io com
david hunt bluelobster cmu edu subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 54 1993apr20 883 batman bmd trw com nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr20 883 batman bmd trw com jbrown batman bmd trw com actually , fact situations existed prompted us allied action back water country took back water country , probably would n't intervene n't care , ca n't world 's coup occured kuwait \( instead invasion \) , still would n't acted would imminent danger perceived saudi arabia combination two , unprovoked invasion genocidal tyrant potential danger west 's oil interests , caused us take action many indications would taken place saddam wanting planning going saudi arabia none openly stated ex pentagon analysts pull jbrown batman bmd trw com i'm setting strawman want argue war , logical alternative allow hussein keep kuwait diplomatic alternatives , including sanctions , ineffective actually , reports mid east countries showed hussein ready make concessions due sanctions n't want wanted crush , well battle test high tech toys 've built years jbrown batman bmd trw com probably 're world ca n't police every country decides self destruct invade another strategic position get relief tibet , east timor , places 're also hypocrites first magnitude obviously , n't give shit freedom democracy care oil oh , excuse , soviets gone board , keep sizable military presence gulf region care make bets troops come home \? basically , saddam ok us killer , tortured people , used gas , horrors brutal dictator , brutal dictator said fuck us , became next hitler noriega bastard , bastard changed mind went way get rid david hunt graduate slave mind towards mechanical engineering ideas opinions palestinian carnegie mellon university use golden rule v2 0 jewish homeland ! h e r e n g h e r e n g email bluelobster cmu edu working towards piled higher deeper great day scientists engineers r money need religions beg money pay priest
iis netcom com \( international imaging syste \) subject postscript 600 dpi \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 20 using windows 3 1 printer driver , would like print file , output postscript file later , would like take postscript file machine attached hewlett packard 4m laser printer , print document 600 dots per inch resolution would like use method print wordperfect windows , image processing program output images postscript 's problem windows postscript printer driver \( drv \) n't allow specify 600 dpi fact , setup dialog driver pull menu resolution , choice given menu 300 ! really useful menu ideas \? david arnstein arnstein iis sun com international imaging systems milpitas , california
mmb lamar colostate edu \( michael burger \) subject team pool standings nntp posting host lamar acns colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 59 k , one series done need post something way , islanders scored rank team name points final 4 1 roland behunin 5 cal 6 que 7 que 7 2 milton keynes kings 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 5 barfly 0 tor 6 bos 7 tor 6 dean 's 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 7 oz 0 lak 6 bos 6 lak 6 garry 0 tor 6 bos 6 bos 4 brian bergman 0 det 6 pit 6 det 6 mopar muscle men 0 chi 5 pit 6 pit 5 bh 's last place picks 0 chi 5 pit 6 pit 5 dave wessels 0 van 7 pit 6 pit 5 sam dogs 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 5 ye ding 0 det 6 pit 5 pit 6 tampere stars 0 chi 6 pit 6 pit 6 mighty 0 chi 6 bos 6 bos 6 homesick hawaiian 0 van 7 pit 6 pit 5 killer kings 0 chi 6 6 chi 6 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 5 ottawa 0 tor 5 pit 6 tor 6 andrew kirk 0 tor 6 pit 6 pit 5 muller n walker 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 6 excalibur 0 det 6 pit 4 pit 6 rednecks hockey hell 0 det 7 bos 5 bos 5 rangers 1940 0 chi 6 pit 7 pit 6 jeff phelps 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 5 arctic circles 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 4 sludge 0 det 6 pit 6 det 6 logistician 0 det 6 pit 6 det 7 hillside raiders 0 chi 6 bos 6 bos 7 danielle 0 chi 5 que 7 que 7 stars 0 chi 6 bos 7 bos 6 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 5 gilles carmel 0 chi 6 pit 7 pit 7 pasi fr nti 0 lak 7 pit 5 pit 6 evan pritchard 0 van 6 pit 6 pit 5 skriko wolves 0 det 7 pit 5 pit 5 rangers blow 0 cal 7 pit 6 pit 4 sean 0 det 5 pit 5 pit 6 schott shooters 0 chi 6 pit 5 pit 5 gary shiff 0 tor 4 pit 6 pit 4 mike burger 0 det 7 pit 6 det 7 darse 0 det 6 pit 6 pit 6 mike burger canada includes , quebec , ontario , mmb lamar colostate edu maritimes , , florida beginning computing ta stud four months year 500 students served royal canadian air farce university michigan 1990 colorado state university 199 \?
tfv0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( theodore f \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization lehigh university lines 32 article news cso uiuc edu , gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) writes deleted say visible light astronomy already dying field pure hokum use logic things already bad , n't matter gets worse absurd maybe common sense logic dying fields george krumins deleted ok , scientists get around atmosphere fancy computer , looked ad hubble results , defects mirror partially correctable software \( see jupiter pictures results \) , effects completely reversable , going shuttle mission fix \? way see \( please , give swift net kick butt i'm ball park \) , making best limited , 's one hubble , shuttle makes another near future non thought perhaps self billboards could small optical receptors limited kind mounted reverse sides mirror 's \( used \) whole thing becomes giant array telescope polar caps tfv0 lehigh edu student konsultant making world safe computing ! never owed little many r folk one must confuse john dunne 's famous quote man new york telephone 's 're dad
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject winfield 200 sbs 200 hrs organization allegheny college lines 47 article mjones fenway mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) writes dans fore csd sgi com \( dan steinman \) writes last night giants mets radio broadcast hank ted discussing fact 16 players ever hit 200 homeruns stolen 200 bases career \( hojo batting \) anyone list \? easy sounds come could n't mays , mantle , aaron , henderson , morgan , bonds \( dad \) , \? \? \? frank robinson \? molitor \? yount \? guessing 'd interested see whole list first , please watch line lengths everyone second , franklin rescue ! 's list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 586 204 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 256 309 yount 235 247 208 253 sandberg 205 297 players marked still active numbers 1991 's 15 16th probably rickey henderson , listed 184 hr , 994 sb george brett , listed 186 sb , 291 hr surprises \? probably reggie , , wynn steals maybe morgan \( lot people \) homers kind surprised realize sandberg many steals , though n't surprised number 200 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dreams real last say life \? ellis
iscsvax uni edu subject best first basemen organization university northern iowa lines 12 article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu writes mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! kind happy grass smoking \? maybe share first , lou gehrig greatest first baseman ever foxx clearly next best first baseman ever could greatest first baseman yankees modern era put best history baseball quite humorous , silly , totally line tony
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject performa lc \? \? \? reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 34 demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes performa 200 classic ii performa 400 lc ii performa 405 lcii 4 80 monitor , modem software performa 430 lcii 4 120 w monitor , modem software performa 4xx lc iii performa 450 lciii monitor , modem software detect trend people performas made low cost business solutions 4xx bundled software , modems , etc performas made low cost , widely distributed \( sold sears \) home machines , business machines developed compete retail outlet home computer market retail price might able get discount shop around sears probably going best price around , time , based number purchase stuff like far monitors go , buy 3rd party much cheaper really newer \( 405 , 430 , 450 \) come really third party monitor apple put name called performa plus display essentially vga monitor , quite cheap hades
dirac scri fsu edu \( stephen l \) subject genocide caused theism evidence \? organization supercomputer computations research institute lines 12 saw 3 hour show pbs day history jews , \( religious war 'the holy land' \) sparked widespread persecution jews europe among supporters , none martin luther , vatican later , hitler would use writings justify treatment jews genocide caused theism evidence \? sd
mike donald eeap cwru edu \( michael c \) subject ! ! ! ! ! n't deal man dana weick ! ! ! ! ! organization eeap , cwru , cleveland lines 39 nntp posting host donald eeap cwru edu minh pham writes l k n g f r n w e c k ripping people deal ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! please help looking dana weick month ago made deal net sell memory , 100 486 66 cpu thought deal great , went dana weick w las phoenix , az \( 602 \) 925 day time \( 602 \) 842 evenings email address weick master lds az loral com update , friends delt , try call , 's answer phone call made midnight est god knows time arizona 'll try later anybody want mail box \? michael c mike snowhite eeap cwru edu electrical engineering applied physics case western reserve university cleveland 's hell , cleveland , ohio 44106 damn good simulation
prism gatech edu \( james b atkins \) subject honda mailing list \? organization georgia institute technology lines 2 honda mailing list , subscribe \?
tas pegasus com \( len howard \) subject pregnency without sex \? summary really without sex , see keywords pregnency sex organization pegasus , honolulu lines 25 article blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) writes article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? sounds like someone pulling leg one way pregnancy occur intercourse days however also artificial insemination implantation techniques , 're speaking natural acts possible pregnancy occur semen deposited outside vagina \( e \) , 's far get clothes way better go talk biology teacher kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh well , , doc , sure would want bet life little critters able get thru one layer sweat soaked cotton way programmed task infrequent , yes , unlikely , yes , impossible \? learned long time ago never say never medicine g len howard md ,
prange nickel ucs indiana edu \( henry prange \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! nntp posting host nickel ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution na lines 12 n't find pee scaring n't seat first ride even think need urine qualities henry prange biker renal physiology iu sch med , , dod 0821 bmwmoa gsi 215 ride '92 r100gs '91 rx 7 conv cage 2 '91 explorer cage 2 four tenets major religions 1 right 2 wrong 3 hence , deserve punished 4
organization penn state university rfm psuvm psu edu subject lithium questions , doctor wants 10 year old distribution world lines 20 article dr pepper east sun com , george crayola east sun com would like know anything folks tell regarding lithium 10 year old son lives ex wife difficulty behavior , , wants try local doctors suggestion would like know whatever important know worry sort thing would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy booklet lithium information center based university wisconsin , feel pro lithium would interested comments necessarily pro side fence concerned father wish well informed get posts like concern son ex w \? \? \? standard impartial procedure ask second opinion son 's condition , son acting games divorced parents \? \? \? \?
claebaur shell portal com \( tony annese \) subject trouble sound blaster pro drivers keywords nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company 408 973 9111 \( voice \) 408 973 8091 \( data \) lines 21 article kaz iastate edu kaz iastate edu \( shroud \) writes recently , windows starting giving error sound blaster pro requires newer version windows 3 1 worked correctly long time , n't know problem could thanks ! problem initially installed sound blaster pro 's tech support told told look files stated readme file win31 subdirectory directory look system ini file say device 386 change device thats work system ini file erased reason \? would reason would think giving error tony annese claebaur shell portal com claebaur cup portal com
kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) subject opinions allergy \( hay fever \) shots \? nntp posting host heath utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 20 article 1993apr29 nntpd2 cxo dec com tung enet dec com \( \) writes started taking allergy shots month ago still wondering getting friend mine told body change every 7 years \( whatever means \) n't need antibody building allergy shots make sense anyone \? btw , someone summarize consumer report february , 1988 article \? reluctant summarize , opinion article says , rather opinion think important enough take trouble go library get article title shot doctors appears pages 96 100 february , 1988 issue consumer reports following excerpt article may entice read whole article often , shots put patient shots , 've got life , former president american academy allergy told cu page 97
mark physchem ox ac uk \( mark jackson \) subject scsi dos adding 3rd drive \? ! originator mark joule pcl organization physical chemistry laboratory , south parks road , oxford ox1 3qz lines 41 article jethro corp sun com , maf corp sun com \( mike \) writes anyone know problems \( 's possible \) adding third hard drive \( scsi \) dos pc currently 386 pc future domain scsi board 2 maxtor scsi drives installed work great , n't problems ! well , want disk space went got another \( larger \) scsi hard disk thinking add chain \( 50pin ribbon 3 connectors \) run fdisk program format initialize disk n't happen pc boots , scsi prom shoots back devices attached board target 0 three disks seen run dos fdisk program format disk , choose select another disk \( option 5 \( dos6 \) \) voila , 's first two disks show problem , third disk found argh ! ideas anyone \? \? \? \? \? thanks advance ! got adaptec scsi card , comes version fdisk problem dos see two hard disks , need done device drivers mark mark uk ac ox physchem
cs ulowell edu \( tin nguyen \) subject cs misc books ultrix 4 2 manual sale organization u mass lowell distribution na lines 142 hi , 's time clean shelf , price include shipping , n't worry , pay amount see name cover publisher year origin ultimate dos heavy programmer 's manual hard windcrest 1991 50 25 bit mapped graphics hard windcrest 1990 50 25 algorithms c hard addison wesley 1990 45 25 file structure hard addison wesley 1988 36 20 programming data structure \( pascal version \) soft prentice hall 1989 \? 10 digital design hard wiley 1989 51 30 numerical analysis hard pws kent 1990 50 25 w disk batch files go soft mcgraw hill 1992 35 25 advanced batch w disk file programming soft mcgraw hill 1992 30 20 computer graphics principle heavy practice hard addison wesley 1992 65 40 structure interpreter computer program hard hill 1991 40 20 c advanced introduction hard bell tele lab 1989 40 15 building c library soft windcrest 1991 25 15 x window system c lib protocol reference soft digital press 1992 \? 25 oh ! pascal ! soft w w norton 1986 \? 10 differential equation hard pws kent 1990 55 15 applied discrete structure computer science hard macmillan 1993 45 25 programming c soft prentice hall 1990 28 15 using wordperfect 5 0 soft houghton 1989 8 free purchase linear algebra hard addison wesley 1991 50 30 dec station w disks ms dos 3 30 01 gw basic box digital \? \? 20 big gray book next step ultrix ultrix sql net user 's guide database adminstrator 's guide reference manual error message dictionary operation guide guide management services guide server setup guide remote installation service guide bind service guide network file system guide ethernet communication servers introduction networking distributed system service guide yellow page service guide backup restore guide shutdown startup guide disk maintenance guide kerberos uucp utility guide ibm terminal emulation vax processors guide configuration file maintenance guide guide printer clients guide adminstrator 's security guide location broker guide system network setup guide system environment setup guide software licensing guide system exercise guide error guide system crash recovery guide utility security guide users kernal message reference manual reference page section 4 special files 5 file formats 7 macro package conventions asking 100 obo , 's pretty heavy though please e mail feel interested , thank !
shellgate ! llo uu4 psi com \( larry l overacker \) subject major views trinity \( filioque \) organization shell oil lines 25 article may 6 00 35 38 1993 geneva rutgers edu steve hayes f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org writes 04 may 93 , andrew byler writes athanasian creed evidence used orthodox churches \? far know purely western , like apostles' creed orthodox churches use symbol faith , commonly called nicene creed seen used orthodox church , although ca n't recall found odd , say least also , object statement orthodox delete filioque original form creed creed originally contain phrase , present greek original , hangs desk intending start flame war n't need delete n't larry overacker \( llo shell com \) lawrence overacker shell oil company , information center houston , tx \( 713 \) 245 2965 llo shell com
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject maxima chain wax \( mail order \) organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 31 article 1993apr21 dsd es com bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) writes article 1993apr21 147 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes article 93apr20 211127 44984 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km 'd try vfr , goddamn competition accessories n't mailed order yet hell , 's two weeks ordering pretty bizzare stuff like clear rf 200 face sheild , chain wax bastards 's worth , got three days chaparral 's ups ground ca ut , ymmv stuff seems work , n't attract like pj 1 blue gave acid test , full day 's worth breaking 's new paddle tires sand 's anything wet coated sand end day , chain looked pretty clean 'll third recommendation miracle spooge n't go dealer get happened might happen put deposit new bike sigh , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject books sale cheap ! ! ! ! nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 25 someone please buy books ! ! ! ! ! asking much ! ! ! ! ! ! make offer probably take ! ! ! ! ! writing good software fortran , graham smith holt handbook kirszner mandell \( copyright 1986 \) 720 page writing guide general chemistry principles modern applications , r petrucci , fourth edition big book ! good condition ! solutions manual chemistry book paperback study guide chemistry book paperback send offers via email 02106 chopin udel edu sam 02106 chopin udel edu
technion bitnet \( katz \) subject zionism racism organization technion israel institute technology lines 1 yes , want read article
busta vicki enet dec com subject welcome police state usa organization digital equipment corporation lines 115 article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes article 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu , slp9k cc usu edu writes xref dscomsa alt activism 6011 talk politics misc path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uunet ! gatech ! howland reston ans net ! agate ! dog ee lbl gov ! hellgate utah edu ! cc usu edu ! slp9k slp9k cc usu edu newsgroups alt activism , talk politics misc subject welcome police state usa message id 1993apr20 030234 66491 cc usu edu date 20 apr 93 03 02 34 mdt references 1993apr20 cc usu edu c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu organization utah state university lines 34 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? firstly , could backed put power freak , like david koresh , kind situation going explode \( pun intended \) koresh wanted martyr government played right hands government n't given attention wanted nothing would ever happened secondly , davidians expecting everything government thought facing apocalypse , perish fire n't scared fbi average , devout followers religion n't work government got frustrated murdered batf left beginning , looked koresh 's personality instead thought , guns bigger guns let 's go get 'em ! botched day one n't first place conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush statement ignores reality bd provoked government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell damn , phil must seen different tape initial raid happened include grenades attempting storm compound windows honestly say never seen works like paranoid assertion batf fired first unprovoked assault assumes batf death wish expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one think , man batf serving warrant someone feel might illegal automatic weapons expected , state , `the b anything peaceful citizens' could sent one , maybe two agents front door , knock , attempt serve warrant person answering door scenario one , person lets perform search one gets hurt scenario two , person answering door pulls weapon kills officers two dead batf agents instead four , batf knows exactly stand regards bd began formulate plan action arrest responsible without harm innocent people children within compound stupidity attempt serve warant place ludicrously underarmed unprotected police , stupidity attempt serve warrant swat style anyone net cares suggest sure fire method bringing murderes four police officers justice perhaps could hear sure , within law batf uphold law , circumvent fit needs phill hallam baker paul r busta busta vicki enet dec com salem , n h 603 894 one sees one observes , one observes things already mind
bongo cc utexas edu \( chatterjee \) subject 85 mazda glc sale organization university texas austin , austin tx lines 26 distribution austin reply bongo cc utexas edu \( chatterjee \) nntp posting host bongo cc utexas edu originator bongo cc utexas edu glc miles charcoal grey , 4 dr automatic transmission c , stereo system 4 way speaker rear window , cruise control new water pump , front tires , headlight , heat shield 1 year old battery transmission well maintained records purchase service inspection done good condition reason selling moving austin 2500 00 \( negotiable \) must see appreciate call leave message answering machine 477 email sc che utexas edu chatterjee department chemical engineering sc che utexas edu university texas austin , tx 78712 bongo cc utexas edu
encore com \( r flynn \) subject wife wants convertible organization encore computer corporation , ft lauderdale , fl nntp posting host encore com lines 34 article usenet ucs indiana edu tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu writes article usenet ins cwru edu andrew spencer , aas7 po cwru edu writes wife informed wants convertible next car recommend consider targa top convertible , drew made point well wife 20s convertible thing triumphs mid 40s , still appreciate open air prefer targa types much less wind noise , objects papers blowing around , foreign objects getting car one still almost advantages convertible last car tops \( big tops \) current car convertible imho , 're feel' , tops , open top , sunroofs , , whatever , n't cut 's substitute convertible 're sun beating , wind hair teeth , getting car noises associated wind , 're feel' go something least hole driver n't call convertible wonder targa tops would compare roll bar rollover situation course , 'd rather test car , , early 40s convertible accept substitute \( 'd rather sailing \) flynn w sunrise blvd \( 305 797 \) ft lauderdale , fl let 's punch uucp uunet ! gould ! sand bar crew dread internet encore com
subject powerbook buy \? \? debug uc twsu edu organization wichita state university , wichita , ks lines 14 hi , iisi i'm considering buying powerbook anyone give listing models tell i'm looking , e passive matrix vs active , memory sizes , , internal modems , disk size could provide prices would help i'm informed enough powerbooks know well operate following posts problems encountered trackball working horizontal would appreciate list well advice may thanks advance wichita state university
sfb2763 mvs draper com \( eileen bauer \) subject thyroidal deficiency nntp posting host mvs draper com organization draper laboratory lines 43 article 1993apr30 568 adobe com , adobe \( andrea bruno \) writes article mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com \( eileen bauer \) writes thyroxin controls energy production explains , coldness , weight gain also water retention \( possibly around heart \) , changes vision , hair skin among things relation thyroid deficiency depression \? perhaps caused thyroid deficiency could mimic depression , feeling unable anything could cause one get depressed , know specific effect brain caused thyroid would cause depression note weight gain usually symptom simple blood tests would indicate thyroid condition present n't know depression would cause reduction thyroid output , would tend doubt far know clinical depression caused chemical imbalance brain , chemical imbalance direct effect part body regular everyday depression imho cause chemical imbalance body pituitary bases secretions thyroid stimulating hormone \( \) level circulating thyroxin \( two types t3 t4 one used reserve changed active form liver \) ratio t3 t4 affected number hormones \( estrogen , example \) naturally , changing activity body 's cells would cause changes free thyroxin , liver healthy thyroid able balance things short order good sources info thyroid manual \( physician 's reference book \) although reading enough get one depressed \) encyclopedia \( available local library \) hope help eileen bauer
bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) subject good jesus died \? organization starfleet headquarters san francisco lines 23 brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes even though new born innocent , sinful nature surely manifest explicity gets older surely grows hair head teeth within mouth , show signs innate sin rebelling daddy loud proclamation 's showing signs innate sin , 's testing limits independence two year old continually test see much get away , pet dog child always submitted fashion , would praise suspect 's second coming christ , would seek professional help emotional development \? brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que j'ai vus j'ose croire n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent meaning life si je ne vaux pas mieux , au moins je suis autre ends rousseau
gecko camelot bradley edu \( defend \) subject physical therapy students nntp posting host camelot bradley edu organization bradley university lines 13 interested finding physical therapy students net one , know anyone could get contact via email , address gecko camelot bradley edu thankyou
r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu \( doug roberts \) subject neon deon sanders \( braves giants \) organization university arizona , biotechnology , tucson lines 33 nntp posting host joplin biosci arizona edu article 1993apr20 bnlux1 bnl gov bnlux1 bnl gov \( kenton yee \) writes gatech edu cimmeria gatech edu \( thomas miller \) writes anyone else think weekend 's four game series really strange one \? yup , wondering whole time braves talented outfielder , neon deon , starting \? 's whoa n't forgetting couple guys named gant justice \? guy hit 300 , 20 hrs , lead , steal 40 lead 'll probably steal 40 might hit 300 'll never hit 20 homers think went 2 4 one bases start guys like nixon bream ahead ! ca n't really see advantage nixon deon except nixon better defensive outfielder said right anyone else like deon \? think 's hype 300 season last year good , i'm convinced reminds \( sorry \) year 1987 \( \? \) tim wallach hit 30 homers 127 rbi never even came close happening course , maybe prefer guys go business n't play attention ho doug roberts larry walker god delino deshields thinks \( john bratt , 're , send email system ca n't find site ! \)
balsamo stargl enet dec com \( antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \) subject warped brake discs '91 taurus l lines 30 nntp posting host reply balsamo stargl enet dec com \( antonio l balsamo \( save wails \) \) organization digital equipment corporation utrc utc com \( bruce winters \) subject warped brake discs '91 taurus l past years owned 3 mustang gts 91 bird sc problem recall bird brake problem ford dealer replaced rotors pads rotors warp 10k miles problem fit finish problems bird 'll never buy ford rotors '92 taurus gl changed less 500 miles ago guessed , i'm noticing slight left rotor \( mechanic friend mine look said high spot rotor causing problem brand new rotor bought ford dealership ca n't even produce brand new rotor warped \? i'm currently negotiating swap new rotor first american build car i'm overly impressed tony name antonio l balsamo company digital equipment corp shrewsbury , mass work \( 508 \) 841 2039 e mail balsamo stargl enet dec com
dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) subject feds caught another lie organization chinet public access unix lines 28 kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes well , 2 days hearing 3 bd bodies shot head \( horrors ! another jonestown ! crazed cultists ! child abusers ! waco ! \) , last night medical examiner tv pretty vehement denying bullet wounds seemed tad upset feds spread rumor funny , medical examiner today stated evidence one way another bullet wounds single autopsy performed , reports deemed speculative including reports bullet wounds long , think kneejerk government apologists going start getting pretty pissed easily misled long , think kneejerk conspiracy theorists going start getting pretty pissed easily mislead also , pretty disappointed ignored koresh cult standoff may victims recquiescat pace \( net moment silence \) daniel hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask rotaract
wilde bernina tik ethz ch \( erik wilde \) subject x audio extension reply wilde tik ethz ch organization swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) , zurich , ch x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 10 official extension x allows use audio \? x audio programs use system specific ways access audio capabilities computer run hardware independent way \( like video extension xv \) \? thanks help erik wilde \( wilde tik ethz ch \) swiss federal institute technology \( eth \) laboratory computer engineering networks \( tik \) eth zentrum , 2 , ch phone 41 1 254 fax 41 1 251
mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) subject waco burning organization grinchco lines 60 distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes mst4298 zeus tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes 're hearing sure rings true 's consistent way mass suicide fire survivor also saying trapped inside damage done tanks accidental fire plausible mass suicide , considering davidians apocalyptic cult history armed violence \? fbi reason lie cause fire , resulted negligence , bd survivors also reason lie started blaze fbi claims fire set simultaneously three places claim building filled tear gas electricity cut , tanks rolling around bds co setting fire \? 's fairly simple decided burn place , one agent dispatched set fires separate parts compound doubt simultaneously means exact time case likely means close enough together preclude part fire fbi claims men torches set fires n't released evidence , though seems n't true might waiting evidence comes site , investigation least well underway bds previous actions aimed towards survival , death could said jonestown idea kerosene lamps would place \( electricity cut \) makes sense idea ramming tanks building would spill cause fire makes sense possibility fbi would n't know nil n't simple negligence maybe , 've suprised folks missed past similar situations n't jump mitchell todd mst4298 zeus ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' tamu edu ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
matthew phantom gatech edu \( matthew deluca \) subject mothership flybys cutting costs organization dorsai grey captains lines 16 nntp posting host oit gatech edu article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes getting wierd \? perhaps even weird \? okay figure mission specifically pluto large expensive hmmm , might want read group carefully 's good amount discussion proposed pluto fast flyby \( \) mission specifically designed small cheap matthew deluca georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! matthew internet matthew phantom gatech edu
golf phoenix oulu fi \( jouko kylmaoja \) subject german audience lunatic \? \? organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 17 watched game germany czechs wc today astonished behaviour german audience ! german team got penalties last period crowd went ! threw coins , extra pucks trash rink stupid \? \? guess canadian referee \( one bros \) gave german team penalty , n't help much guess germans proud nazi kill 'em everyone us germans sucks attitude seem kind attitude every possible sport \( remember european champs stockholm soccer \) really pisses ! mean every single german attitude sucks , seem jokke kylmaoja golf phoenix oulu fi
gspira nyx cs du edu \( greg spira \) subject jack morris organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 30 maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes lynx unm edu kbos carina unm edu \( k mitchell bose \) writes article 1993apr19 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes , lee team last year would wearing ring year er er yes manny lee team last year , team would toronto blue jays team albuquerque leftturns manny lee team , would wearing ring would , however , manny lee 's team , manny lee team last year team would albuquerque leftturns would toronto blue jays possible \? albuquerque leftturns last year could possibly know team would manny lee team last year , manny lee n't team last year , 's complete , unfounded speculation state team manny lee last year , would team toronto blue jays since lee n't team , cannot possibly objectively state team would team greg
jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) subject x windows extensions perl \? \? \? organization varco pruden buildings lines 9 using stuff perl , incorporate things like curses use perl wondering anyone done x \( preferably motif \) , , could get source \? jesse w asher \( 901 \) 762 6000 varco pruden buildings 6000 poplar ave , suite 400 , memphis , tn internet jessea vpbuild vp com uucp vpbuild ! jessea
mcovingt aisun4 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject allergic reactions laser printers \? \? nntp posting host aisun4 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 8 laser printers often emit ozone \( smells sort like \) adequate ventilation recommended michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
pica mil \( ariel \) subject yankees schedule organization w lines 4 nntp posting host someone net post yankee schedule \? need right away thank
v32 uh cwru edu \( \) subject dogs organization image analysis center , univ hospitals cleveland lines 30 distribution world reply uh cwru edu nntp posting host max uh cwru edu article 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca , parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes newsgroups rec motorcycles path usenet ins cwru edu ! lerc nasa gov ! lerc nasa gov ! news edu ! net ! zaphod mps ohio state edu ! sol ctr columbia edu ! destroyer ! cs ubc ca ! unixg ubc ca ! ucs ualberta ca ! acs ucalgary ca ! parr parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) subject dogs message id 93apr20 193958 30419 acs ucalgary ca date tue , 20 apr 93 19 39 58 gmt references ms c 735160298 1147902781 mrc ikkoku kan panda com c5pntm 8co cbnewsj cb att com nntp posting host acs3 acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 26 article c5pntm 8co cbnewsj cb att com car377 cbnewsj cb att com \( charles rogers \) writes , dog weighs 150lb maybe , max \? ca n't handle \? , presume , thumbs \? grapple tear 's head ! sheesh , even trained attack dog match human , advantages recent discussion rec martial arts humans definitely n't advantages dogs strong often bred fighting one sort another ed dod 1110
uxa cso uiuc edu \( \) subject stop cross postings organization university illinois urbana lines 16 phoenix princeton edu \( \) writes , repeat , , cross post following subjects soc culture iranian jews supports serbs arab leaders bosnia bosnia stage set 's need bigotry hate ! believe , already reached quota year try next year earth topics
david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu subject part n't understand \? organization misc student , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 27 1993apr26 advtech uswest com nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr26 advtech uswest com 26 apr 93 part n't user steve novak advtech writes eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes , course , possibility existed meaning student really gave shit could moment silence , makes sense forcing want participate take part reason organized moment silence \? moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? whole point , maybe everyone n't want participate blindly opposing everything flavor religion utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything flavor religion supported taxpayer money way keep christianity becoming official u religion noticing danger utterly idiotic please provide evidence moment silence student died tragically costs taxpayers money
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject cost benefit analysis \( fbi director 's statement \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 93111 slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes anyone noticed commented fact many willing , nay demanding , wait forever mr hussein iraq , use tremendously costly sanctions , avoid loss life , fore front smashed religious radicals wasting money allowing stand go \? see many groups protesting also know people feel exactly opposite \( e , treat citizens better saddam \) worm turns sect changes hey ! sect changes still illegal texas ! cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
soc mil \( raymond brand \) subject clipper considered harmful organization lines 132 article 1993apr24 ulysses att com , smb research att com \( steven bellovin \) writes three issues clipper first whether architecture whole scheme capable working answer , one significant exception , yes really think nsa nist designed scheme well , assuming real objectives stated permit wiretapping , certain carefully controlled circumstances , minimum risk abuse \( exception u exists outside chip , programming diskette 's seriously wrong u 1 u 2 loaded onto chip separately \) disagree \( n't claim answer obvious , though found reasoning sufficiently persuasive forced rewrite conclusions section technical analysis paper originally blasted scheme \) , issue invitation assume charged implementing system , complete regard civil rights due process would differently \? answering question , please accept nsa 's fundamental assumptions strong cryptography outsiders , ability wiretap domestic users , necessary \( feel necessary challenge assumptions , context last issue present right , i'm discussing technical aspects , n't means claim something done , \) ok steve , 's sketch alternative believe addresses objections clipper scheme notation exclusive e \( , k \) message encrypted key k \( , k \) message decrypted key k h \( \) hash \( digest signature \) message important values u0 x local chip unit key escrow agency x u1 x remote chip unit key escrow agency x n 0 serial number local chip n 1 serial number remote chip number escrow agencies k 0 , k 1 session keys agreed upon external protocol f family key , need secret protocol choose k0 1 , k0 k 0 k0 1 k0 remote chip k 1 , k1 1 , , k1 compute following l0 1 e \( k0 1 , u0 1 \) l0 e \( k0 , u0 \) l 0 n 0 e \( n 0 l0 1 l0 , f \) remote chip l1 1 , , l1 , l 1 send l 0 remote chip receive l 1 remote chip compute ke 0 h \( k 0 n 0 l0 1 l0 k 1 \( l 1 , f \) kd 0 h \( k 1 \( l 1 , f \) k 0 n 0 l0 1 l0 note \( l 1 , f \) n 1 l1 1 l1 remote chip ke 1 kd 1 user data encrypted \( decrypted \) keys ke 0 , ke 1 \( kd 0 , kd 1 \) assumptions trap doors e \( \) , \( \) h \( \) h \( \) algorithms e \( \) , \( \) h \( \) secret otherwise software implementation \( bogus chip \) could communicate real chip chip supports following operation 1 \) return n 0 2 \) load k0 x 3 \) return e \( k0 x , u0 x \) 4 \) return e \( n 0 l0 1 l0 , f \) 5 \) given e \( n 1 l1 1 l1 , f \) , return n 1 , l1 1 , , l1 6 \) load k 1 7 \) given e \( n 1 l1 1 l1 , f \) , compute ke 0 , kd 0 8 \) given , return e \( , ke 0 \) 9 \) given , return \( , kd 0 \) anything programmed chip determined destroying chip \( u 1 , , u , f , n 0 \) u 1 , , u determined except destroying chip \( unfortunately may true reality suppose 's possible determine chip programmed sophisticated sp \? x ray machine look blown fuses \) u 's programmed independantly escrow agencies notes tapping escrow agency given n 0 , e \( k0 , u0 \) , n 1 , e \( k1 , u1 \) returns k0 , k1 lea 's must contact escrow agencies serial numbers chips encrypted partial keys allows agencies record chips tapped lea 's get session key , key conversations particular chip precludes real time decrypting conversation n't one stated requirements observation order secure tap able communication scheme work , active parts need share secret secret revealed , communications know secret made un tap able obvious candidates cryptographic algorithm master \( family \) key relative size complexity suggests key obtained silicon implementation scheme lot easier faster algorithm raymond brand soc mil
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries concrete \? \) organization u toronto zoology lines 27 article hpfcso fc hp com myers hpfcso fc hp com \( bob myers \) writes n't average temperature key factor , rather better transferring heat \( presumably warmer ground temperature \) battery uh , bob , battery warmer ground temperature \? time scales question , considerably reduced temperature swings several feet underground , n't going major temperature difference battery 's sitting question concrete floor feel cooler surrounding dirt place hand \? temperature hand , unlike battery , determined balance internal heat production external heat loss 're feeling greater rate heat loss object \( hand \) kept much warmer surroundings case object significant internal heat production , affect quickly comes equilibrium surroundings \( started equilibrium \) wo n't affect final temperature reason , affects whether freeze whether water freeze svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
thornley milli cs umn edu \( david h thornley \) subject jack morris nntp posting host milli cs umn edu organization university minnesota , minneapolis , csci dept lines 96 article 1993apr20 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes talking morris winning toronto last year launch fantasy red jays toronto would done viola team viola n't play toronto last year morris problem approach , roger , takes sense game line reasoning , guy hits double play one bases loaded , 's point saying bad thing \( team anyway \) speculating might happened things gone otherwise , double play merely event happened course game eventually lost unknown reasons , speculation involves constructing fantasy would happened n't roger , ever worry next pencil drop fall ceiling instead \? willing consider empirical evidence \? teams go post season win games anybody else division n't make post season , n't win series agree winning division useful intermediate goal ring collecting \? , must agree winning games useful intermediate goal towards winning division , disagreements come consider win games viewpoint expressed , winning games happens reasons cannot analyzed many us thinking things like base runners good , outs bad , therefore walks better double plays bases loaded , thinking things like 's team game , perhaps double play cause mysterious team dynamics cause team win today result becomes impossible say anything individual players perhaps atlanta would series playing left field , perhaps way knowledge personality would helped team complete lack skill would hurt therefore , could extremely valuable player dave winfield anything jays' victory \? probably , know \? replace andres galarraga , perhaps jays would , perhaps would lost , perhaps would alpha centauri \( bearing mind flying saucers would landed mid season winfield toronto \) babe ruth good player \? played ws winning teams , anything success \? generally accepted ernie banks good baseball player , jarvis brown dan n't seems anybody would deny needs provide proof , observed things baseball years , empirically looking rulebook necessary score runs one 's opponent win game , would seem important score runs prevent one 's opponent scoring runs scored team batting , inning ends third , would seem making outs bad hitting home runs good players tendencies hit pitch certain levels , usually somewhat consistent year year use statistics predict winners , make flat predictions barry bonds higher obp slg gene larkin year braves finish ahead rockies standings tigers score runs royals , also give would astonished turned false , , suspect , would matter fact , pretty sure predict division winners year , given 3 4 guesses per division , certainly better random chance \( almost statistically significant \) admit rockies mariners unlikely meet world series , must admit sort way measure , however fuzzy impossible things equal fantasy totally meaningless real life \? person service station two people , using 38 automatic pistol , gets 42 , convicted sentenced three years person b , similar criminal record , service station two people , using 38 revolver , gets 42 , convicted since used two different types handgun , comparisons totally meaningless \? say drop pencil see gravity still works \( cats always testing n't trust pay gravity bill time \) never dropped pencil exact time century , previous evidence meaningless \? would surprised flew window instead hitting desk \? david thornley , replica world series rings , tickets 1992 world series metrodome
freenet carleton ca \( w jon \) subject play offs thoughts reply freenet carleton ca \( w jon \) organization national capital freenet lines 37 well , 're almost halfway first round , far things good general 1 2 teams hate chicago 3 zip \( even though possibility either still win series , yet ego thrashing arrogance smashing underdogs \( st louis buffalo \) \) 2 montreal stage team 's life good enough go way , yet good able get \( really \) good draft picks \( 3 , anyone also think year cup final played 2 teams wales \? 4 're playing montreal find arrogant 's , really \? 5 smythe \? \? \? \? i'm really getting sick seeing wendel night night see canucks jets flames action ! 6 cherry alright , hey politicians q get cross maple leaf \? six weeks hockey ! , dudes go habs ! jon carleton freenet ca
utas edu au \( byron john \) subject pov 286 \? \? \? \? keywords pov organization university tasmania lines 21 sorry faq get 286 \( 16 bit \) version pov ray \? help would greatly appreciated need 286 version since turbo pascal wo n't let run 32 bit program within program info would also great help thanks , byron utas edu au b cam utas edu au byron e mail computing services
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines 90 cartridge capping upgrade older deskjet printers available hewlett packard older original deskjet possibly deskjet 500 units may black plastic slide rubber capping components parking area right side \( viewed front \) printer newer printers gray white plastic slide black plastic slide allow cartridge dry may still information packaged ink cartridges explaining situation hp placed coupon free upgrade kit old deskjets new capping mechanism printer indeed find last longer n't information handy suggest contacting nearest hp service center information obtaining kit hp upgrade kits consist electronics mechanical components vary depending starting level printer level wish upgrade upgraded original 500 kit fairly expensive likely better selling old printer purchasing new deskjet 500 prices declined much upgrading original deskjet 500 requires fair amount skill , soldering upgrading deskjet plus 500 involves swapping processor card changing minor parts contact hp service center information pcl language used deskjets considerably different pcl used laser printers , especially newer laser printers biggest problem dumb laser drivers send raster end command scan line makes material difference lasers , causes deskjet print accumulated raster might guess , result hideously slow printing new dos wordperfect print deskjet drivers still guilty particular behavior way wordperfect works , would easy change windows wordperfect works efficiently unless use dos drivers instead windows' dialect used laserjet iiip allows compression permits full page 300 dpi image rendered one megabyte memory uncompressed image could large 909 kbytes , printer needs 300k memory internal house keeping laserjet iv models support printing allows download image compression limited memory situations deskjet downloadable fonts compatible laserjet fonts single page laserjet requires 20 seconds faster trivial printing deskjet printer presumption , course , laser printer completed warm ink chemistry changed , resulting image deterioration unavoidable wo n't use word impossible , matching laser quality output deskjet printer unlikely chosing appropriate paper type helps , eliminate problem laser printers wastful energy components hp accept return spent toner cartridges , material waste problem degree energy waste could use work warm times decreased , allowing stand current consumption significantly reduced laserjet iv kyocera produces laser print engine employs amorphous silicon imaging drum toner system image drum good approximately 100k copies nice print engine wish hp used kyocera engine kyocera also neat modular paper source stacker system recommended duty cycle deskjet significantly lower hp 's laser printers pick pressure rollers subject wear case confirm eventually wear usual symptom printer becomes reluctant feed paper paper feed integrated transport mechanism single part hp service replacement cost transport almost 200 feed rollers separately , though would difficult job competent technician disassembled transport printer depends upon application printer best print 5 10 pages day satisfied appearance output , deskjet good choice noted , deskjet 500 choice personal use bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
ychen hubcap clemson edu \( eric chen \) subject xt keyboard , 10 k organization clemson university , clemson sc lines 5 title says \( ibm brand \) eric
bzs world std com \( barry \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified reply strnlght netcom com 's message sat , 24 apr 1993 18 12 10 gmt organization world ifd netcom com lines 50 crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business clipper chip person association ever needed yeah , wants start pool first person arrested mistakenly life turned upside law enforcement agency make chip person association \? wonder plans keep records \( e g encode serial number scanned k mart along credit card info , voila \) least phone number tends locate house whatever \( e coming telephone number person likely house etc \) , plus minus course 'd hate think guys getting clipper id , recording conversation , quick cross lookup name comes owner id \( mistakenly , maybe sold phone garage sale phone stolen car whatever \) might know one side conversation , example anyone thinks govt forbidden law cross correlate databases loses two points first , law enforcement agencies course second , 're forbidden money irs , example , anyhow n't spend money 's \( technically \) legal guess instead probably trade little favors companies like mastercard \( 're irs 'll bet lot opportunities trade favors major corps databases \) know , irs guy read amazing list \( screen , could hear typing pull screen \) phone dispute \( intimidate , actually , much dispute , n't particularly disagree , reason fellow wanted play tough guy , hope 's better \) amazing stuff finger tips afraid barry software tool die bzs world std com uunet ! world ! bzs trade voice 617 739 login 617 739
schmidt tn cornell edu subject photographic stuff sell organization wilson lab , cornell u , ithaca , ny , 14853 lines 55 reply schmidt tn cornell edu nntp posting host tn cornell edu photographic spring cleaning ! following partial list , come soon 2 8 50 lens , plus front cap , case meyer 1 9 50 lens , plus front cap model ii , plus orig case co \( berlin \) extension bellows \( 4x \) , orig box entire package 30 plus shipping pentax universal screw mount cameras 3 5 35 lens , plus caps 1 8 55 lens , orig case 2 8 135 lens , plus caps entire package 25 plus shipping lenses 4 5 150 10 el nikkor 4 0 50 45 4 5 150 75 busch model c , 2 1 4 x 3 1 4 4 5 101 shutter , 85 slr , 2 8 50 , plus case shutter sluggish , 's , thus 25 v , synchro , 3 5 75 , case , orig lens cap fool got oil shutter blades , shutter sluggish 60 olympus n body , oil \( \? \) , appears work fine wise lens 75 printing frame , 35mm , 6 strips 6 , plate glass cover , excellent condition 10 omega developing tank , \( 2 \) 35 mm reels 12 nikkor developing tank , \( 7 \) 120 reels 45 kodak filter set 10 prices exclusive shipping conserve bandwith n't come back petty offers however , consider trades interesting equipment , toward , still digging , enlarger , busch 4 x 5 , nikkor reels tanks , 4 x 5 lenses shutters , 5 x 7 lenses shutters e mail interested , thanks reading
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject deir yassin organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 81 article hm angell cs brown edu hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes article ere umontreal ca aurag ere umontreal ca \( aurag hassan \) writes replying n't seen anyone else yet seems rather odd really really wierd posters left n't fascists arab extremists arab civilians die dir yassin massacre yes clearly admitted troops carried stupidly deposited testimony archives effect first , village housed many armed troops source \? noone claiming anymore except would like name one credible historian asserts \? believe even begin decency claim secondly , irgun stern fighters absolutely intentions killing civilians yes said said went intention killing men women got way archives remember , hostile testimony village attacked military significance fact , warning given occupants village leave attack begin sound van ditch warning given rational standards , dir yassin massacre killing unintentional yes massacre murder hundreds unarmed civilians part fighting surviving men taken local shot back head intentional \? yeah right village housed arab snipers arab troops source slander course \? thus attacked military significance attacked intentions killing civilians men involved said clearly intention kill men premeditated mass murder nothing else even compare dir yassin , 120 arabs died , holocaust absurd agree least irgun want kill civilians village almost 1000 inhabitants , survived yes want kill inhabitants many killed course simple resolve , haganah sent soldier report massacre brought photographer sent report israeli government suppressed government labour government since revisionists gotten power reason likud n't release report pictures either perhaps might want tell \? happened claim pictures men shot head hands tied behind backs , women children shot slept yet reason take chance clear name reason n't \? somehow doubt facts exactly people responsible claim premeditated mass murder nothing else iraqi soldiers , fighting ethnic cleansing work joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
unix sri com \( matt mora \) subject wd 40 moisture repellant \( lead acid batteries c organization sri international , menlo park , ca lines 34 article 1993apr25 1 auvax1 adelphi edu schmidt auvax1 adelphi edu writes , etc flew across room , several people room almost heart attacks beware explosive properties wd40 vapor use starting fluid jet ski 's fact lubricant works well since jet ski 's 2 cycle also helps ski water clean spark plus stuff ob sci electronics office studio garage phone wireless phone page feature make phone hand set ring get attention person simple circuit use second pair wires \( first pair \) emulate effect phone garage \? \( ie push button make phone ring house push button make ring garage \) thanks xavier matthew xavier mora matt mora qm sri com sri international unix sri com 333 ave menlo park , ca 94025
utoronto ca \( senad \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organisation u toronto , dept mechanical engineering organization uoft mechanical engineering lines 24 jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes article mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) writes conditions , easy serbs play divide conquer game , get muslims croats \( strong common serbs divided croatia bosnia attempted yugoslavia , ripping 2 , 000 , 000 serbs property yugoslavia croats divided , least 70 , 000 left serbian province muslims divided , 200 , 000 left region belongs serbia serbs croatia bosnia want self determination , right given croats muslims , serbia serbia exempted \? nick senad
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject pregnency without sex \? lines 15 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 len howard \( tas pegasus com \) wrote well , , doc , sure would want bet life little critters able get thru one layer sweat soaked cotton way programmed task infrequent , yes , unlikely , yes , impossible \? learned long time ago never say never medicine g len howard md , yes , suppose single layer wet cotton would feasible , certainly make condoms cotton ! kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 139 article 230 netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes article 1993apr23 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes sigh go started predicting future , entirely meaningless least meaning , n't know find say could predict future certainly ! non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 sabo clearly better hitter samuel yet would pinch hit samuel predict samuel clutch hitter sabo choke hitter right \? 'd call predicting future reds manager time , assume would basis letting sabo hit rather pinch hitting samuel i'm sure basis would utilized prior performance would n't used particular aspect prior performance correct \? right would used aspects prior performance shown consistent past overall performance , l r splits , even matching hitting pitching styles give advantage used properly even else equal , would advantage gained looking past clutch performance case , everything else pointed sabo one time claim able predict future said accept data indication samuel would better chance success situation sabo comes thing perez left sabo , predicting future , next ab predicting sabo likely get hit samuel supporting swap , predicting opposite dismissing work i'm stating opinion saying work renders opinion contrary invalid , retention opinion kind insult work well , yes aware existance claim incapable understanding \( though suspect simply unwilling \) yet rather forcefully state opposite n't seem think work worth reading \( yet obviously feel topic important \) 'd say insulting say consistent skill said indicator performance certain set circumstances right ! beef proven indicator future performance circumstances least none 've able come know indicator future performance , please let us secret nice , however , see consider possibility actually could biases certainly repeatedly stated , come study even hints consistent clutch ability , would love ! however straightforward attempts study failed miserably yeah hindsight always 20 20 n't make bright \? stupid argument know ah knew could get name calling 's word like much well , stupid argument \( honestly debating \? \? \? \) sure , know sabo n't get hit idea whether samuel would done better one ab certainly n't prove anything ! believe season 's end chris sabo 's batting average clutch situations significantly lower batting average non clutch situations ca n't prove happen , guess 'll wait see simply prediction chris sabo year \? prediction batters , past years , hit \( xxx amount \? \) worse clutch overall \? mean first , say , 'll wait see second much stronger statement fact , suggests rule test rule past data see worked recent years think agree rule n't work last year year , unlikely better year right \? 's another one 1989 1991 joe carter 's batting average clutch situations significantly batting average non clutch situations year presume think random i'm going get case analysis sure , find somebody hit poorly '89 '91 hit poorly '92 well also find hit poorly '89 '91 hit well '92 , n't prove overall statistical trend used predict future performance across breadth major league ballplayers makes think 1993 joe carter 's batting average clutch going high ba non clutch situations 's fallacy unless reason expect consistency , run proves nothing give us reason expect clutch ba correlate one year next \? 've seen detailed study n't expect correlate stupid total idiot , hostility stupid reference statement stupid \( n't see deny \) total idiot \? yes prove unwilling even consider evidence might suggest wrong , would say term fits nicely tell \? term fit \? open mind \? valentine
hq ileaf com \( john \) subject feverfew migraines nntp posting host organization interleaf , inc lines 22 article exodus eng sun com brenda eng sun com \( brenda bowden \) writes anyone know studies \? experience feverfew \? i'm skeptical , open trying find feverfew , much would take prevent migraines \( good idea , \) \? known risks side effects feverfew \? thanks advance info ! brenda 've tried , one friend mine known side effects risks n't seem work us , several studies suggested work many people , think 's worth try find capsule form health food stores six capsules day recommended , remember correctly also prepared tea good luck , john
subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 4 21 grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) organization etc organization nntp posting host germain harvard edu reply mss netcom com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 16 03 05 gmt lines 55 article netcom com , mark singer writes article usenet ucs indiana edu rstimets silver ucs indiana edu \( robert stimets \) writes game saw little everything incredible defense , power , clutch pitching , little reds managed overcome trademark lack timely hitting crucial situations spring training made similarly looking comment clutch hitting bb flames flying thing clutch hitting \( sdcn 's \) screamed assumed also meant thing kind clutch performance , given comments certainly case significant ability perform clutch , clutch performance certainly happens every time game winning hit clutch pitching quoted something happened , claim particular player expected clutch pitcher past four seasons sabo 59 hits 259 abs defined clutch situations \( scouting report \) average 228 period another 1539 abs 452 hits average 294 according rest sdcn 's , differential completely totally random cannot used reasonable inference , perhaps perez used pinch hitter situation simple statistics tell 2 chance average clutch hitter would large split \( average decrease 7 points , standard deviation 30 \) hitters league , hitters hit poorly tuesdays weak correlation \( 01 best study \) clutch hitting last four years clutch hitting year , probably clutch data luck rather ability based data , n't see reason pinch hit sabo , player poor clutch hitter past many factors involved decision pinch hit pinch hitter give platoon advantage \? \( portion sabo 's clutch split results platoon split certainly real ability , even nothing clutch hitting \) singles hitter plate need home run \? pitcher facing batter trouble curves \? david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks
elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) subject kinsey fake pervert \? organization , lines 403 distribution world nntp posting host nwfocus wa com comments originator elf halcyon com article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 1993apr17 nwnexus wa com elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) writes geez , , ryan \? proposed theory months ago let 's take one step , even , surveys show , 33 men homosexual encounter , must cite survey , obviously bogus kinsey studies granted pomeroy , bell , weinberg , 1967 national institute mental health paper , deviant populations '' cited part national institute mental health task force homosexuality concluded , kinsey statistic 37 probably higher realistic according estimates , 33 realistic figure \( went bought lots bell weinberg weekend tell \? \) also , janus report sexual behavior \( samuel janus , ph l janus , , john wiley sons \( pub \) , 1992 \) following table 3 14 ever homosexual experience \? men women n 1 , 335 1 , 384 yes 22 17 78 83 table 3 15 often homosexual contact \? men women n 294 235 5 6 b occasionally 56 67 c frequently 13 6 ongoing 26 21 active \( c \) 39 37 39 22 9 number consistent kinsey , , \( 1953 \) , bell weinberg \( 1967 , 1974 \) , rice \( 1987 \) finding 9 male population actively homosexual , breakdown \( bell , 1978 \) 4 exclusively 5 self identifying bisexuals \( pp 69 , 70 \) debunking kinsey , following article important lesson everyone read kinsey fake pervert \? philip far knoll , cult researchers claim late alfred kinsey secret sex criminal , dr mengele , bent numbers toward bisexual bizarre grand conspiracy queer nation era free sex kids really riles critics kinsey 's cultural influence surveys sexual behavior human male \( 1948 \) sexual behavior human female \( 1953 \) tore sheets country 's zones undermined morals charts graphs , based detailed histories 12 , 000 men women , demonstrated practices generally considered rare masturbation , extramarital relations , homosexuality , even bestiality , american strawberry yet hard core heterosexual , aided pat buchanan religious right , zoology professor indiana university remains evil genius behind sex revolution target character assassination judith reisman , prosecution 's expert witness trial cincinnati , leader anti kinsey revisionists well inspector 1983 , radio interview pat buchanan washington , reisman accused kinsey vicious torture hundreds children speculated ghetto boys order carry orgasm tests , seven years later , reisman charges different book , titled kinsey , sex fraud , released small religiously oriented huntington house lafayette , louisiana ed eichel , manhattan invented new style \( alignment technique \) supposedly triggers simultaneous orgasm considerable regularity thereby increases sexes book eichel contends kinsey deliberately cooked gay stats , oddball , wanted advance heterosexuality authors right , world famous kinsey reports , introduction boldly asserts , egregious example scientific deception century wrong , kinsey , sex fraud shameful smear despite less stellar kinsey 's detractors , legends used martin luther king may committed bruno slapped young mental patients around father bruce ritter , founder covenant house , runaway boys closer kinsey , masters johnson faking one way another surprise anybody kinsey , filmed strange people sex attic , may skeletons closet problem reisman seem intellectual prowess pull job thinker , woman curie 55 year old former captain kangaroo little professional standing , current university position , peer review publications , though creative 1983 resume padded phantom accomplishments instance , listed book take back night women pornography actually written edited others ph speech communication cleveland 's case western reserve university although reisman bachelor 's degree , case granted master 's 1976 1979 dissertation commentaries local tv commentator resume , reisman gave piece scholarship fancy moniker wit application systems analytic theory mass media effects reisman burst prominence buchanan 's program , love first sight al , anti porn head juvenile justice prevention ed 's justice department young law order conservative amateur social philosopher wanted help change sexual climate united states reisman 's sensational radio session , sexual equivalent joe mccarthy 's speech , summoned meetings discuss mutual interests first tried shovel 800 , 000 quasi study going measure brain chemicals men boys looked photographs capitol hill killed original proposal , 734 , 000 money went reisman anyway plan b probe child images cartoons playboy , , \( incredibly , grant surpassed entire budget attorney general 's pornography commission \) overpriced project completed 1986 , immediately embarrassed justice department spring , resigned post days new republic carried admission kept magazines around house notwithstanding six figure humiliation , reisman went scratch niche right darling sex cranks , subversive phenomena like men 's magazines blames aids gays kinsey , sex fraud reisman 's latest grasp respectability pat buchanan , course , putting reisman 's ultimate book social dynamite , says blurb front cover especially liked parts lips syndicated column , declared , may blow sewer cap kinsey 's reputation , reestablish homosexuality 1 50 aberration , expose gay rights movement paper tiger , even put risk enormous sex industry built upon dr kinsey 's 'research ' charge heart kinsey sex mad pedophile molested little boys nazi type experiments recorded male volume similar charge first fifth world conference jerusalem 1981 effect recycled reisman buchanan washington 1983 reisman eichel mengele business kinsey , sex fraud mengele like experiments infants children basis kinsey 's conclusions childhood sexuality somewhere sometime course project , kinsey appears directed experimental sex research several hundred children aged two months almost 15 years , course , would kinsey team promoting , perhaps participating , criminal activity opinion book 's authors , exactly part kinsey 's child sexuality research took place 's cap citing fbi manual child molesters guide , eichel casually diagnoses kinsey homosexual pedophile perfect motive exactly reisman said kinsey placed professional positions access young boys , c camp counselor , club leader , boy scout leader activities kept college graduate , even marriage crude analysis seems , eichel happy elaborate even recent phone interview 've ever around boy lovers , pedophiles , absolutely compulsive , everything life directed getting children n't mention book caption kinsey 's high school picture quote hamlet delights , , sic woman neither ' think picking \? weighing reisman eichel pass proof kinsey 's sex crimes , something must said kinsey 's scientific collector young sc harvard , collected 4 million gall wasps 1 5 million related insects switched sex exploration agreeing teach marriage course indiana university 1938 , less curious nothing mammals realm reproduction foreign compiled masses erotic materials including toilet wall inscriptions male female johns highlighted differences sexual psychology mating 14 species animals showed amazing similarity oral naturally , sexual response children , genesis eros , fascinated impossible understand sexual behaviors adults without examining origins fervor days , kinsey collected information kids , though even worst enemies reisman eichel refrained linking personally data sex kinsey said plainly male volume got information sex life young boys people sex adults technically trained persons kept diaries records put disposal although gathered much boyhood data memories subjects observations parents school teachers , treated documentary ! pedophiles pure gold nothing like literature kinsey 's main source , 63 year old worker , also character ever met man , whose history took 17 hours log , sex 600 boys 200 girls well 17 33 family members including father grandmother sexual hobbyist passionate record keeper , gave kinsey detailed accounts observed boys relying man 's meticulous research , involved following boys long 16 years , kinsey able identify first time six distinct types male orgasm involved violent peak release well speed capacity freud imagined childhood sexuality , kinsey reported fact children indeed erotic beings cradle data sexual activities younger male provide important substantiation freudian view sexuality component present human animal earliest infancy , concluded without raising 1948 along came judith reisman legitimacy kinsey 's inquiry , ghost mengele bloomington appalled thought infant ecstasy read torture orgasm rendered government worker dared say kinsey sex criminal well , n't \? let 's go text evidence kinsey , sex fraud witnesses , paper , trace hearsay kinsey either planning child sex experiments 12 years trail , reisman uncovered two sources back original charge amazingly enough , kinsey pomeroy , kinsey 's reports , reisman never spoken turns whole case rests passages male volume pomeroy 's 1972 biography titled dr kinsey institute sex research every books , reisman came believes smoking sentences establish kinsey 's alleged role planning , says hint fifth chapter male volume kinsey directed orgasm studies kids cites tell tale quote armchair demanding writers test theories empirical study statistical procedures combines quote kinsey 's statement observations pedophile sources continued periods months years individuals old enough make certain true orgasm involved putting two two together kinsey 's lengthy experimentation arrives hint realizing dog would hunt , devoted single paragraph kinsey 's supposed planning shifting issue personal involvement alleged participation , pomeroy 's biography , reisman found several hidden clues suggesting kinsey 's likely hands approach kiddie sex chain reasoning complex points kinsey interested measurements , collecting sperm sex attic since kinsey indeed mislead indiana university purpose said animal sex reisman asserts similar misrepresentation may yet apply kinsey 's child sex experiments catch may ! reisman also struck kinsey 's doubting thomas attitude toward never recorded female rabbits kinsey , according pomeroy , type person needed see things pomeroy gave example orgasm female rabbit personally witnessed event , kinsey difficulty accepting reality , even strength testimony distinguished scientist kinsey testify actuality orgasm 5 month old infant mere sex offender \? \( , course , depended records \) fantastic alchemy conjecture mixed , sperm , attic , reisman legendary kinsey paul gebhard succeeded kinsey director kinsey institute lives retirement outside bloomington reached telephone , gebhard defended pedophile connection denied reisman 's nasty n't understand resistance people like reisman studying sexuality children , gebhard said anger sex begins happy take data wherever found even though pedophiles commit criminal acts , usually violent folks would n't successful one best sources school maintained kind alumni club sometimes went weddings former students directing experiments , 's absurd never told subjects lt principles almost pedophile material retrospective anyway ever conduct sex experiments children would highly inappropriate asked gebhard kinsey ever seen child sexual situation think mother brought little girl teddy bear kinsey watched kinsey 's sex life , still shrouded confidentiality married woman 35 years fathered four children apparently , huge sexual revelations , although rumors homosexuality persisted without confirmation years gebhard took boss 's history back , refuses discuss knows never divulge anything anybody 's history , whether dead alive , says reisman said interview article grounds worked mention fact debating various forums past five years keeping contentious history , took book continuing kinsey practice incest offense using biblical variant lying near relative 1977 article subject incest synonym intercourse , lying appears eight times genesis ed eichel different story though seemingly obsessed kinsey like , friendly long conversations told began smell big agenda student new york university 's human sexuality program early '80s literally gay studies program heterosexuals , says around 1985 , eichel came upon reisman 's critique kinsey conspiracy theory started sink sex establishment ruled bisexual bund advocating overthrow heterosexual norm wonder rough time promoting joy simultaneous orgasm anything enhanced sexual compatibility men women inevitably raised objections eventually , eichel exchanged philosophical fluids reisman , union kinsey , sex fraud born eichel 's main contribution book discovery analysis kinsey conspiracy supposedly seeks establishment bisexuality balanced sexual orientation normal , people , destroying traditional family structure normal sexual behavior , would open way second difficult step ultimate goal cross sex \( sex children \) pressed specific references back outrageous contentions , said weakly , n't think kinsey going come right say everybody basically bisexual sex kids , implicit kinsey reports meanwhile , eichel demanding congressional investigation kinsey data perfect 's country needs house un american sexual activities committee , looking beds asking people reader , god forbid subject dr alfred kinsey elf ! ! ! elf halcyon com \( elf sternberg \) purpose writing inflate weak ideas , obscure pure reasoning , inhibit clarity little pratice , writing intimidating fog ! bill 's calvin
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject astronauts weightlessness feel like \? organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted jsc nasa gov nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 81 article 1993apr29 morgan com , morgan com \( jerry \) writes want know weightlessness actually feels like example , constant sensation falling \? ron baalke \( baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \) replied yes , weightlessness feel like falling may feel strange first , body adjust feeling different sky diving i'm astronaut , 've flown kc 135 several times 'll tell first flight set weightlessness , shoulders lifted spine straightened felt momentary panic , hands tried grab onto something \( like strap keeping firmly floor \) prevent falling remember ruling involuntary motions ears felt \( heard \) rush could feel fluid moving head \( like get bed cold \) point , ceased concentrate physiological response , since science busy keeping experiment going keeping track parts return gravity subsequent 1 8 g pull , n't really pay attention physiology time 5 , discovered performing one tricks 've discovered keep getting motion sickness keeping head still moving slowly except hands arms , needed rapid , motion experiment pull 5 , finally started get , use one air sickness bags basically useless rest flight , went seats back plane partner \( drafted purpose \) kept working experiment ill \( vomit comet rider , one people n't get sick thing \) n't think constant sensation falling much like swimming air 's close feel i'm diving turn head jerry motion sickness astronauts occasionally experience \? ron body 's reaction strange environment appears induced partly physical discomfort part mental distress people prone others , like people prone get sick roller ride others mental part usually induced lack clear indication way , ie shuttle normally oriented cargo bay pointed towards earth , earth \( ground \) head astronauts 50 astronauts experience form motion sickness , nasa done numerous tests space try see keep number occurances i'm volunteer jsc 's space biomedical laboratory , among things , tests ron mentions one called pre flight adaptation trainer , consisted chair several degree freedom motion base moving geometric visual aids goal measure victim 's h h h h h h h h subject 's responses subjective physiological descriptions see repeated exposure environment could reduce future motion sickness symptoms jerry n't know former active duty astronauts personally read group know bruce 's office waiting anxiously space station redesign option posted last week , n't think bruce reads group ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 man makes mistakes usually make anything edward john phelps , american diplomat lawyer \( 1895 \)
ccastco prism gatech edu \( costas malamas \) subject windows zip unzip organization georgia institute technology lines 23 article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph \( 052 \) 27 1141 fax \( 052 \) 27 2015 winzip 4 0 \( ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 \( util \? \) \) shell \( call dos \) , , good one also arc , arj fully supports pkzip 2 04 try using might shell , also means dont need update every every letter alphabet version pkzip \) hope helps costas malamas georgia institute technology oit ua oit n't pay enough share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
colello cheshire oxy edu \( robert colello \) subject houston auto insurance organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa distribution usa lines 17 hello , moving houston go rice university graduate school living corner university blvd wondering kind liability rates expect relevent info sex male age 23 status single commute none , walking car 1982 ford crown victoria , 4 door anyone check info , similar situation please e mail rates find pay thanks help advance colello delphi com colello cheshire oxy edu
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ers data skanska se \( erik \) subject maxtor jumper settings \? organization skanska data lines 9 distribution world nntp posting host pepsi data skanska se need know jumper settings master slave operation maxtor \( 80mb ide \) hard disk thanks advance erik ers skanska se tel 46 8 skanska data , 182 25 , sweden fax 46 8
fnal gov \( mike \) subject g2k jumbo 250 backup problems organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 5 distribution usa nntp posting host fnal gov keywords tape backup gateway jumbo told several people sony data cartridges n't quite cut jumbo 250 tape drive \( lots bad blocks \) 're using sony tape , try switching something else like maybe 3m mike
subject cure dry skin \? husc8 harvard edu \( oren haber \) nntp posting host husc8 harvard edu lines 49 pbs org writes article morrow stanford edu , mou stanford edu \( alex mou \) writes hi , skin dry general serious part located knees skin looks like segmented segmentation actually happens beneath skin would like know cure matter fact , saw dermatologist day , , asked dry skin 'd spending small fortune various creams , , dry skin treatments said needed large jar vaseline soak lukewarm tub water 10 minutes \( 10 minutes ! \) massage vaseline , trap moisture standard advice texts soak part greatly increases inconvenience n't bother unless n't work otherwise hard part finding time rub vaseline properly exactly , adds ritual aspect , important us patients \( posters , n't bother repeat rationale soak \) 's done right , remain greasy stick greasy matter vaseline \( , \) famous one text states greasy dry skin cream , effective try 's got cheaper spending 30 8 oz try , least maintenance \( preventive \) therapy natural much less greasy cheap \( n't buy expensive mixture \) 've commented , poorly characterized mixture hydrocarbons found biological systems \( inherently bad , smell close , even hand \) , partially absorbed body remain months , associations cancer n't panic , also n't believe 's god 's gift human skin oren haber
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject clipper good enough government \? originator rdippold qualcom qualcomm com nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 18 's discussion recently whether government might exempt something use screw us well , comp dcom telecom attmail com subject odds 'n ends news clipper chip device introduced yesterday may suitable government use , says house telecom subcommittee chairman markey letter commerce secretary brown , markey asked whether use technology could lead inadvertently increased costs u companies hoping serve government private markets markey ordered brown answer several questions security cost concerns april 28 \( communications daily , 4 20 93 \) show guy 's afraid look bad , 'll show guy beat every time renee
uucp \( \) subject canon canada organization land darkside bbs \( 519 \) 888 lines 6 would someone please leave full address canon canada thank via uci v1 21 \( c net amiga \) uucp uucp
andreas sun0 urz uni heidelberg de \( andreas helke \) subject please help amiga user find comfort windows lines 51 organization , universitaet heidelberg , germany article fitz tc cornell edu stlombo eos acm rpi edu \( steve j lombardi \) writes stlombo eos acm rpi edu \( steve j lombardi \) subject please help amiga user find comfort windows date 18 may 1993 00 25 14 gmt night i'm amiga user day work windows 'd much comfortable windows two things 1 good personal information manager know calendar , address book , reminder list etc rolled one clean interface 2 good file manager poor standards one left right window allows file operations able launch programs interface would nice well text reading graphics viewing familiar directory opus amiga know i'm looking written file manager , wich two windows compare files two find wether equal similar files 7 important operations , copy , move , delete , show file , start , navigate directory tree invoked dragging directory entry mouse convenient , selection file operation performed , occur one move bitmap graphic viewing program vpic integrated , database files use view program pctools 7 1 configured use arbitrary viewers show special data formats also present archives pkzip etc simulated filemanager somewhat non user interface , use prefered file manager several labs university filemanager , 's still dos program development windows version yet begun use program package zip , run tells windows companion exe windows program started way start windows program new version 3 19 \( released soon \) includes new command windows program start ftp archives mentioned programs \( archives several mirror sites \) simtel oak oakland edu 141 210 10 117 zip gif zip garbo garbo uwasa fi 128 214 87 1 zip cica ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 17 util zip andreas helke , , universitaet heidelberg , germany email genius heidelberg de header posting contain valid smtp mail address
stolk fwi uva nl \( bram \) subject 48 bit graphics keywords 48 bit alpha channel image nntp posting host gene fwi uva nl organization fwi , university amsterdam lines 32 howdy , oehler yar cs wisc edu \( sane \) writes recently talking possible employer \( mine ! \) \) made reference 48 bit graphics computer image processing system seem remember called image something akin anyway , claimed 48 bit color 12 bit alpha channel 's 60 bits info could possibly \? specifically 48 bit color \? 's 280 trillion colors , many human eye resolve anti aliasing thing \? magic number make work better certain processor hmm 48 bit aye \? well , beats 32 bit design thee sake 48 bit means 16 bits per primary colour 2 48 nr colours bit misleading makes sense see possible shades pure red might actually make sense , since 256 shades red \( 24 bit colours \) may produce visible intensity , byte per primary colour pixel elegant way colour graphics , leaves ya \( fast \) program code take care , bram flying trick bram stolk \( stolk fwi uva nl \) throw ground , dept maths computer science miss douglas adams university amsterdam , dont use ms windoze , prefer linux !
uucp \( jon baker \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization ag communication systems , phoenix , arizona lines 37 article 1993apr23 ifi uio , joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) writes article ncratl atlantaga ncr com , mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes noose ecn purdue edu tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes probably , n't pack heavy weaponry intent use please cite evidence intending use well , would pretty stupid , mean 's use spending thousands something wo n't use \? \( sorry i'm stepping toes members rifle association \) rifles bought hunting , understand , rifles bought killing people , keeping cannot record , collector medieval armour weaponry , n't hanging around , use \( obviously , practice friends \) well , let see explain 's similar collecting coins , stamps , campaign buttons , coke bottles , boxes , model trains , anything else collected \( everything collected \) cases , might consider something aberration mean , purpose serve \? much really 's hobby collector diversity \( much use two thing , except trading selling \) , historical significance \( thingy used \) , technical significance \( one like first one way \) , rarity , people use collections , people state , use collection one sense , diminishes value collection items suffer wear exposure another sense , enhance enjoyment collection people collect firearms use people use firearms collect 's personal preference oops , guess 're supposed , \? j baker
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject alternative heavy element creation universe organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 103 important info humbly suggested robert 's fans redirect followups alt fan robert mcelwaine , least consider biological alchemy \( another form cold fusion \) \( alternative heavy element creation universe \) simple experiment demonstrate \( prove \) fact biological transmutations \( reactions like mg ca , si c ca , k h ca , n2 co , etc \) , described book biological transmutations louis , 1972 edition best , chapter 17 book secret life plants peter christopher bird , 1973 \( 1 \) obtain good sample plant seeds , kind kinds might work better others \( 2 \) divide sample two groups equal weight number \( 3 \) sprout one group distilled water filter paper three four weeks \( 4 \) separately incinerate groups \( 5 \) weigh residue group residue sprouted group usually weigh least several percent group \( 6 \) analyze residue group mineral content mineral atoms sprouted group heavier mineral elements fusing atoms oxygen , hydrogen , carbon , nitrogen , etc biological transmutations occur routinely , even bodies ingesting source organic silicon \( silicon carbon , extract , \) speed healing broken bones via reaction si c ca , \( much faster merely ingesting calcium directly \) mineral deposits ground formed micro organisms fusing together atoms silicon , carbon , nitrogen , oxygen , hydrogen , etc two reactions si c ca , micro organisms , cause stone sickness statues , building bricks , etc reaction n2 co , hot iron , creates carbon monoxide poison hazard welder operators people near woodstoves \( even properly sealed ones \) bacteria even neutralize radioactivity ! things happen , spite currently accepted laws physics , \( including law says atomic fusion requires extremely high temperatures pressures \) biological transmutations , applications chemistry , physics , biology , ecology , medicine , nutrition , , geology , 1st edition , c louis , active member new york academy science , 1972 , 163 pages , illustrated , swan house publishing co , p box 638 , binghamton , ny secret life plants , peter christopher bird , 1973 , 402 pages , harper row , new york chapters 19 20 entire book fascinating ! information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( two books \) un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics astronomy , uw ec
dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) subject stewart homered wings ! ! nntp posting host stpl ists ca organization solar terresterial physics laboratory , ists lines 59 article andy bgsu edu m248 100 bgsu edu andy bgsu edu \( ryan \) writes \( roger maynard \) wrote leafs overcame red wings possibly exciting game played yet playoff year perhaps exciting game played yet seen us watch teams around league interest objectivity , nowhere near exciting game paul stewart called single worst game 've seen year 's major obvious , n't dispute however , chaisson 's penalty n't even penalty , let alone major game misconduct 5 minute game misc call high sticking blood penalty chaisson barely touched poor , hit dasher bled n't mean penalty unfortunately , instant replay used hits first , immediately thought 5 game hit looked much severe intent injure perspective seeing replay , 'd say deserved 2 4 minutes boarding \( careless way slice \) stewart replay , think chaisson would gotten 5 game second period , behind potvin , probert puck , going get front , ! could n't believe call call bullshit , agree admire stewart letting go , probert looked saying hell penalty \? 've never seen probert whine either \( n't need \) , decides put wendel boards , 's probably gone , right \? n't remember \( leafs \) touched puck racine 's shot towards end game \( 43 2 seconds left \) , stewart called play , last touched detroit everybody garden , including linesmen knew yzerman protested , stewart laughed , really homered wings also bullshit , replay rouse , btw i'm really pissed linesmen n't correct call either 's b officials refuse admit made mistake , comes , wings played like shit yes calls describe difference detroit loss picked leafs win game 3 emotion , wings excuses game 4 superior team call pissed anderson getting 4 putting stick somebody 's eye dangerous stick seen long time , everybody damn league knows 's asshole comes stickwork four lousy minutes bullshit call murray send tape wing hammer living shit dchhabra stpl ists ca
schuch phx mcd mot com \( john schuch \) subject ir detector 'cards' \? \? \? keywords ir card nntp posting host bopper2 phx mcd mot com organization motorola computer group , tempe , az lines 26 article 1993apr22 monu6 cc monash edu au yoyo cc monash edu au \( sebastian \) writes hi people ok heres problem keep hearing little credit card type things detect ir light think avaliable states even england , alas live australia could someone please inform get things , \? \? \? much \? \? \? sure , edmund scientific company 101 e pike barrington , nj , \( 609 \) 573 card page 15 last catalog got cost ranges 19 80 , depending size range wavelengths card responds john
enet dec com \( laurie \) subject urine analysis organization digital equipment corporation lines 29 nntp posting host roll article athena cs uga edu , mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes article transfer stratus com randy vos stratus com writes someone please help searching find \( many others may \) absolute removing detectable traces marijuana persons body chemical natural substance ingested added urine make undetectable urine analysis substances found could never go near stuff ! \) 's always old brother works dialysis clinic interviewing candidates technician job \( mainly electronics tech \) , urine screen part interview bathroom across hall lab one candidate managed switch urine sample one grabbed lab \( one time \) inner city dialysis patients quite medical problems , immediately obvious happened brother considered telling candidate , i'm sorry ill need medical attention immediately offered another well monitored chance declined
ka hr att com \( kenneth \) subject 20 21 grayscale displays summary monitors listed april 1991 computer shopper originator news cbnewsf cb att com nntp posting host socrates hr att com organization lines 190 list large \( least 18 inches diagonal \) monochrome monitors computer shopper lists pc compatible 've omitted radius radius states longer support pc notice nanao one supports 31 horizontal frequency , frequency normally used vga cards boot guess monitors come graphics cards 've left voice mail nanao asking send literature , report back net 've studied prices given appear list prices little relationship reality kenneth cut cornerstone technology 1990 dr san jose , ca 95131 408 435 8900 dualpage 120 diagonal 19 inches max resolution 1600x1280 frequencies horizontal , 76hz vertical dimensions inches price 1495 compatible pc ps 2 dualpage 150 diagonal 19 inches max resolution frequencies horizontal , vertical dimensions inches price compatible pc ps 2 electronics \( u \) , inc 37 brook ave , nj 201 368 dm diagonal 20 inches max resolution 1280x1024 frequencies 48 horizontal , 59 80hz vertical price 995 compatible pc image systems corp k tel hopkins , nm 800 462 612 935 diagonal 21 inches max resolution frequencies 48 horizontal , 60 80hz vertical dimensions inches price 1995 compatible pc ps 2 mac diagonal 21 inches max resolution 1280x1024 frequencies 15 horizontal , 55 90hz vertical price compatible pc ps 2 mac diagonal 21 inches max resolution frequencies 48 horizontal , 60 80hz vertical dimensions inches price 2500 compatible pc ps 2 mac diagonal 24 inches max resolution frequencies 48 horizontal , 60 80hz vertical dimensions inches price 2600 compatible pc ps 2 mac nanao usa corp ave , ca 310 325 6500 diagonal 21 inches max resolution frequencies 31 5 56 horizontal , 55 90hz vertical dimensions inches price 1989 compatible pc ps 2 mac ran ger technologies , inc address unknown model diagonal 19 inches max resolution 1280x1024 frequencies horizontal , 60hz vertical dimensions inches price 950 compatible pc corp america p box atlanta , ga 404 449 120 diagonal 20 inches max resolution 1600x1280 frequencies horizontal , 72hz vertical price 1995 compatible pc iie diagonal 20 inches max resolution 1280x1024 frequencies horizontal , 70hz vertical price 1549 \( advertized 999 pg 390 april shopper \) compatible pc samsung electronics america , inc address unknown could try samsung information systems , inc n 1st st san joes , ca 408 434 5400 2 \( \) diagonal 20 inches max resolution 1280x1024 frequencies horizontal , vertical dimensions inches price 899 compatible pc mac sigma designs , inc , ca 510 770 0100 l view diagonal 19 inches max resolution frequencies horizontal , 60 vertical dimensions inches price 1099 compatible pc ps 2 mac l view diagonal 19 inches max resolution frequencies horizontal , 60 vertical dimensions inches price 1299 compatible pc ps 2 mac 120 diagonal 19 inches max resolution frequencies 94 horizontal , 76 vertical dimensions inches price 1299 \( min \) compatible pc diagonal 21 inches max resolution 1152x870 frequencies 66 horizontal , vertical dimensions inches price 1395 \( min \) compatible pc ps 2 mac
c spc edu subject weird problem gm 4 banger transmission organization spc community access system lines 34 i'm interesting problem girlfriend 's car delve innards , thought 'd check net wisdom subject \) 's 1985 buick \( know know \) 2 0l efi 4 banger auto miles drive tha car long enough get hot \( especially highways speeds \) transmission nasty habit getting stuck 3rd gear result , stop light motor stalls putting car park , waiting 30 60 seconds restarting sometimes allows transmission reset go back 1st otherwise , stalls put drive thoughts either 3rd gear band binding getting stuck gets hot \( likely \) perhaps lock converter properly \( seems likely \) least likely \( keeping fingers crossed \) critical vacuum hose broken cracked behaviour due lack somewhere \( used happen old valves \) background father owns service station worked 10 19 years age please feel free technical want \) 'd appreciate hearing tips suggestions offers free beer grin , chris
aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject synagogues , mosques , double standards organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 64 nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu bill coleman writes \( responding discussion mosque jerusalem allegedly destroyed israel \) bc today 's jerusalem post magazine feature story bc ongoing restoration synagogues jewish quarter author , bc leah , writes fifty seven synagogues bc quarter 1948 , destroyed , , says , used bc donkey building shells , bc bc still find really , really hard understand demolition bc buildings front continues outrage bc everything much cheaper happens jews bc bc \? double standard human behavior regarding jews must perfect example outcry temporary removal 400 men advocated murdering jews destroying state israel , compared deafening silence abusive treatment jews arab countries past 50 years compare tacit world gives muslims randomly murder jewish civilians righteous indignation expressed people occupied territories kept working israel effort reduce random murders occuring , everyone knows country required accept foreign workers , except israel , course jewish blood always cheap non jewish world ha never regarded form jewish suffering important , except jews models powerless victim holding high moral ground , world war 2 however , soon jewish people started take care , ancient hatred jews unleashed doubt non jewish world even capable compassion towards jews anti semitism ancient basic christianity islam golda meir said would peace arabs love children hate jews know arab parents love children would send children streets throw rocks men trained defend guns , world obsessed hatred jews trying defend yet even question actions parents simply allow children , encourage throw harm 's way even arab children expendable , tragic deaths used propoganda battle blame israel , jews , misfortune arabs middle east jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel
spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject krillean photography organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 20 nntp posting host pitstop ucsd edu article news claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu \( eli brandt \) writes article mmeyer m2 dseg ti com mmeyer m2 dseg ti com \( mark meyer \) writes besides , kirilian photography actually photography friend 's two year old son perhaps meant kirlian \? think typo photography , practice taking pictures either finns russians , depending one asks think lose sci image processing group thread , folks \? thanks bunches spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 car car , bumper strip seen 805
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject five russian soldiers sentenced death azerbaijan organization p center regional studies lines 53 may 13 , 1993 five russian soldiers sentenced death azerbaijan moscow \( upi \) five soldiers served russia 's 7th army stationed armenia sentenced death azerbaijani capital baku thursday allegedly carrying diversions killing 30 azeri soldiers statement released news service azeri president elchibey said sentence final subject protest appeal , russian state news agency itar tass reported russian foreign ministry issued appeal men handed authorities moscow punishment would accord modern standards humanity towards committed crimes , statement reads five men , together another soldier received 15 year prison sentence , captured september 1992 azeri police district azerbaijan , nagorno karabakh armenia supreme court baku said men gone special training company russian 7th army armenian capital yerevan , sent across armenian azeri border nagorno karabakh carry diversions azeri troops however , russian foreign ministry statement claimed russian army fighting mercenaries armenian armed forces battle zone round karabakh nagorno karabakh armenian populated enclave within azerbaijan five years fighting independence baku war left many thousands dead hundreds thousands homes yerevan baku always claimed russian servicemen stationed caucasian republics , left behind break soviet union , fighting mercenaries karabakh war statement moscow said russian side repeatedly appealed azerbaijani government show humanity leniency treatment six men , hand russian authorities said president boris yeltsin sent letter request azeri counterpart elchibey itar tass said soldiers' defense attorneys appeal david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
sfp lemur cit cornell edu \( sheila patterson \) subject mary 's assumption organization cornell university cit lines 22 article may 11 02 37 01 1993 athos rutgers edu , mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) writes feeling assumption mary would better phrased text deleted also n't see necessity saying holy parents sanctified beyond normal humanity sounds like inability grasp immensity god 's grace incarnated dinary human text deleted paul marxhausen thank much paul always impressed human ness mary god chose woman , like , bring world incarnation proves god god reaches perfection touch ah , wonder \) sheila patterson , cit cr technical support group 315 ccc cornell university ithaca , ny 14853 \( 607 \) 255
gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization university virginia lines 16 article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes really \? thought insurance companies hired actuarial staffs determine risks correlated groups people , gays likely aids sexual orientations correlation ! causality risk factor non unprotected sex , homosexual greg hennessy , university virginia usps mail astronomy department , charlottesville , va 22903 2475 usa internet gsh7w virginia edu uucp ! uunet ! virginia ! gsh7w
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject clipper crap organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 39 nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article kckluge krusty eecs umich edu kckluge eecs umich edu \( karl kluge \) writes article 1993apr17 9555 csus edu sphughes sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( shaun p hughes \) writes encryption 's dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry , also shield criminals terrorists need clipper chip random passing thought , anyone cite documented use encryption technology criminals terrorists \( excluding iran contra gang \) sure , rum runners prohibition see kahn 's codebreakers irony , using better codes key security governments yes great chapter elizabeth friedman \( sp \? \) comes shining however , chapter also notes rum runners invented crypto hired ex military folks , fact \( 's door \? \) , given today 's rum runners \( coke runners , actually \) even money yesterday 's , 's reasonable expect even better cryptography doubt chip yet , , question fbi nist nsa going make rum runners use clipper chip \? answer 're question ok case , justification taking away rights evaporated justify loss rights ca n't use drug dealers terrorists \? disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject dir yassin organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 156 article hm angell cs brown edu hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes myths facts , leonard j davis , near east research inc , 1989 great , someone posting elders next unlike plo 's almost exclusive focus civilian targets , time plo exist would next 20 years knew n't \? perhaps might want add jewish civilians killed 48 war 'll opt massacre deir yassin think greater \? 1983 , however , eric silver guardian \( britain \) interviewed survivor , sammour , testified 116 population 800 1000 killed talking man included testimony harry naturally use myths facts wonder doubt lying right harry \? reason mainly economic capture order maintain bases established poor resources main idea , despite , remained conquest village force arms , something unknown country , became turning point jewish military operations yehuda , archives testimony apart military discussion , lehi put forward proposal date residents village conquest , order show arabs happens lehi set together operation , another main reason would cause great uproar throughout land would important turning point course battles clear aim break arab morale raise somewhat morale jewish jerusalem , hit hard time time , especially jewish bodies fell arab hands yehuda , archives testimony quoted yisrael segal deir yassin file , published 19th january 1983 n't like holocaust like warning , punishment collective inflicted unarmed innocents comes prisoners , old people children , differences opinion , majority men village force opposed us , whether old people , women children cohen commander attack deir yassin , \( j \) let put words premeditated b murder say eyewitness testimony man command \? prisoners retreat decided also wounded , anyway could give first aid one place eighty arab prisoners killed opened fire killed one people came give first aid arabs dressed arab women also found , started shoot women also hurry area prisoners concentrated \( j \) shooting prisoners , wounded , warning hurry \? sounds familiar , \? heard people places things \? one case family one twenty five survived another house caught sixteen year old son mother holding killed knife mother spent twenty years mental hospital young woman two year old baby shot street bodies left moved centre village started kill everybody saw heard , soon anybody opened door using bombs grenades , machine guns , guns cousin escaped bullet holes clothes one officers put machinegun window started shooting , killing everybody moved killed uncle , ali hassan , aunt fatima heard call me' ran killed another neighbour , heard voices came killed son muhammad , , heard father call went place killed mother heard son cry help ran killed near house saw muhammad sammour funny see fit include reliable enough report casualties actual events \? say harry \? exchange followed four men killed dozen wounded noon time battle shooting ceased although calm , village yet surrendered irgun lehi men came hiding began houses shot whoever saw , women children included , commanders try stop massacre pleaded commander order men cease fire , avail meantime twenty five arabs loaded truck driven yehuda end drive , taken deir yassin , murdered cold blood meir pa'il , interview 4 4 1972 joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
menudo uh edu \( c zhao \) subject full color image editor sgi workstations organization university houston lines 159 distribution world nntp posting host menudo uh edu happy announce first public release bit program , interactive , full color image viewer editor based sgi gl besides typical tasks , crop , rotate , smooth , etc , bit offers unique features available similar programs , text vector support separation text image following relevant sections man page pre release may , 1993 bit \( 1l \) name bit bitmap image sgi workstations description bit interactive full color image viewer editor based silicon graphics gl full color program , bit handles images 24bits color index natural efficient manner image viewer , bit allows list images displayed original type \( 24bits color index \) order many built styles display walk list using mouse keyboard , let bit walk \( slideshow \) pan zoom features , large images viewed full without limited window screen size image editor , bit performs large number image editing processing tasks accurately efficiently keeps information loss stage editing process absolute minimum performing sampling automatically input image type whenever possible avoid unnecessary promotion quantization input images also cut piece image paste another addition , arbitrarily colored sized text simple geometric figures rendered top image annotation option make part bitmap output separately take advantage higher printer resolutions \( e g postscript \) bit also used graphical user interface many existing image processing programs defining external bindings essence turn command line oriented programs bit accessed press button , best , processed image read back displayed immediately convolution using defined matrices arbitrary order performed dynamically giving great flexibility processing image features bit performs image manipulations interactively continuous progress report , processing complete , processed image displayed current features include rotates image arbitrary angle option anti aliasing filling rotated region arbitrary color scales image arbitrary factors x directions option sampling renders text arbitrary color , size orientation top image option rendering directly raster saving text raster separately , postscript file , take advantage higher printer resolution besides normal text strings , many predefined special symbols input conveniently tex \( 1 \) , e g , alpha small beta produces greek alphabet alpha followed slightly smaller greek alphabet beta presents graphically histogram image performs arbitrary 1 1 pixel transformation transformation function specified interactively arbitrary forms , transformation applied rgb channels separately simultaneously entire image portion many difficult tasks , thresholding , accomplished rather easily 1 1 transformation combination graphical histograms image places simple geometric figures \( \) , e g , arrows , circles , etc , arbitrary color , size orientation image arbitrary locations addressed either absolute pixels user definable coordinate system units , option rendering directly raster save raster separately \( e g , postscript file \) scaled x directions independently simultaneously \( get ellipse circle \) performs edge detection combination image histograms 1 1 transformation , accurate result obtained performs histogram equalization performs convolution externally defined \( square \) matrices arbitrary order crops rectangular portion image cuts across images portion image amount displays list images sequence user pause interval images \( slideshow \) measures rgb intensities pixel location pixels along arbitrary line result presented rgb intensities intensity vs distance plot performs image type conversions converts image formats image \( special convolution \) filters image external programs read filtered image back display modify individual pixel 's rgb values performs fft entire image portion display resulting power spectra spray brush paint full color \( unavailable pre release \) supported formats iris rgb , native sgi iris jpeg \( jfif \) format gif \( portable map \) , including ppm , pgm pbm xbm \( x window bitmap \) tiff postscript \( write \) hardware requirements sgi workstation supports \( \) , including get anonymous ftp monte uh edu pub bit tar z xxx version number current version 0 73 read src installation instructions acknowledgement jpeg support based independent jpeg groups 's library version 4 forms library , developed mark , used gui jpeg forms library included release bit program ever need view images built editing features satisfy editing needs addition , external filter kernel utilize program already try \( like \) always , comments bug reports welcome
mono rad nd edu subject program info needed , please distribution world , local organization radiation laboratory u notre dame lines 11 think somebody posted info program one two months ago n't rember detail 'd like one software organize literature i'm scientific publications functions 'd like would able data base b able print special formats different journals info would appreciated yi ming wang radiation laboratory , university notre dame wang 29 nd edu
coutsoft cheshire oxy edu \( michael coutsoftides \) subject sample cd 's sale organization occidental college , los angeles , ca 90041 usa lines 23 've got 2 sets sample cd 's sale set one \( 's \) geared towards house techno pop rap 1st cd drum loops drum sounds 1500 second contains analog , , bass loops , , vox loops much much second set variety different sounds new age rock etc kind sampler cd \( pardon pun \) never used supply list categories sounds someone seriously interested 'd like 130 three new michael mail info
mcole spock \( cole \) subject disk drive read write organization new mexico state university lines 5 nntp posting host spock nmsu edu working project need information regarding currents \( head \) needed write hard drive currents produced reading anyone information would much appreciated mcole nmsu edu
khoo harvard edu subject upgrading processor 386 486 machines organization harvard university science center lines 43 case anyone wondering upgrading 386 486 class machine without spending lot money , looked replacing processor machines facts \( understand \) ps 2 model 70 model 80 , replace i386 chip either 1 \) cyrix 486dlc chip 130 increase processing power 60 normal , math functions chip run original clock speed , ie 16mhz machine cyrix 486dlc run 16mhz note windows use math functions , good upgrade running windows , 2 \) get kingston 486 platform 450 25mhz increase normal processing power 100 , running 25mhz originally increase speed math think continue run 25mhz even original processor runs slower speed also 3 \) kingston 486 platform 750 33mhz i486dx might speed math functions well , sure ps 2 model 70 ps 2 machine either non clock doubling i486dx \( ie runs either 25 33mhz \) , get intel overdrive chip \( really chip \) replace chip get 95 better normal math functions 25 50 mhz version overdrive chip costs 450 33 66mhz version costs 700 replacement 25mhz 486sx chip good deal provides math coprocessor 486sx note speed ratings overdrive chips maximum speed run 20mhz 486sx , overdrive chip run 20 40mhz , ie 20mhz externally 40mhz internally reason buy overdrive chip rated faster machine , get faster performance able buy chips merchants advertise back pc magazine pc week might want shop around prices vary need name phone number source particular chip , e mail , respond couple sources lawrence khoo khoo husc3 harvard edu lawrence khoo computer consultant khoo harvard edu \( 617 \) 496 econ dept , harvard u
csc canterbury ac nz subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host cantva canterbury ac nz organization university canterbury , christchurch , new zealand lines 14 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu , azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? 1 withdraw 2 leave people compund lead lives choose 3 prosecute agents murder brandon , university canterbury , christchurch new zealand
des inmos co uk \( david shepherd \) subject floptical drives anyone \? \? x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 45 kin chan \( cmu edu \) wrote curious floptical drives never seemed catch remember 21 mb disks look feel like 3 5 floppies \? drives scsi devices read write 720 kb 1 44 21 mb disks sounds one great product pc market prices really compared cd roms currently \? know new cds expect sony develop first mds computer question n't substantial interest developing flopticals \? certainly uk flopticals price cheap cd rom \( seem able get around 200 250 \) however bigger optical drives \( e g 128mb \) much expensive around 1000 mark couple questions someone may able answer flopticals direct drop replacements floppy need driver software etc e rip floppy drive , plug cables floptical , stick disk hey presto floppy sounds far easy subject sony developing mds computers , reread pcw article subject says sony optical drives people time may product article seems audio md format byproduct computer storage work md mechanism identical mo computer optical drives sony spokesman quoted saying 2 5 md disk would hold 100mb data though refused comment possibility article said one problems holding back development area lack sensible standards plus least 2 distinct optical storage mechanisms around present given probably needs mds used distribution medium get market since already cds probably needs someone come strong lead get mds accepted david shepherd des inmos co uk tel x 625 inmos ltd , 1000 west , , bristol , n't like rates , n't like poll tax , wo n't like council tax nicholas ridley
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization stratus computer , inc lines 35 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article bigboote wpi edu , mfrhein wpi wpi edu \( michael frederick rhein \) writes rob others debating wood stove original post claimed atf fbi pumping napalm building hopes wood stove inside would ignite would wood stove lit first place \? would n't lit heating purposes weather texas statement dead wrong , local posters confirmed quite chilly morning everyone claims cooking , argue entirely unreasonable woodstove operational stop think cs gas pumped building presume everyone wearing gas masks \( either bought type makeshift type \) going 6 hours n't know ever around cs , exposed cs gas part army training , know without mask uncomfortable makes eyes water , nose run , makes sick stomach mask difficult drink water much less eat question cooking food \? obviously missed earlier posting woodstoves brief , ca n't turn woodstove like gas range stays time even stays 24 hours shut \( working woodstoves n't ever shut spring \) cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject \( sp \? \) fat free diet pregnancy ! ! organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 123 heart access digex com \( g \) writes hi , 've returned visit ob gyn concerns maybe y'all help 've seeing every 4 weeks past months \( i'm week 28 \) last 2 visits 've gained 9 9 1 2 pounds every 4 weeks said unacceptable 4 week period stands 've thus far gained 26 pounds also says though i'm 28 weeks baby 's size 27 weeks , think mentioned 27 inches top 13 weeks baby 's size 14 weeks must also add , operation years ago endometriosis 've problems endometriosis apparently causing pain pelvic region pregnancy , difficult time moving , doc recommended walk move unless \( little handicapped sticker need go \) anyway 's 1 2 situation almost beginning pregnancy getting sick \( throwing \) 2 3 times day mostly bile eliminated \( told \) know n't eating much due nausea could see well get sick every 1 2 weeks , still bile related addition begun feel movement near upper right abdomen , right breast , usually lying right side began get worse though started hurt lay right side , hurt matter position next , noticed ate greasy fatty foods felt like entire abdomen turned stone , pain area got worse however ate sauerkraut vinegar something fat n't much problem doctor says cholistatis , avoid fatty foods makes sense , already aware seemed cause effect relationship avoiding foods i'm still able eat foods cheese instance low fat foods doc wants non fat diet means meat except fish chicken w skin \( anyway \) nuts , fried food , cheese etc allowed skim milk said avoid anything sweet \( e g bananas \) also must one serving something high carbohydrates day \( potatoes , pasta , rice \) ! said ca n't even cook vegetables little bit oil eat vegetables raw steamed i'm concerned understand need fat diet help digestive process i'm taking fat , expecting baby take stores \? restriction carbohydrates 's concerned fat \? i'm clear much recommendation based weight gain much cholistatis , ca n't seem find information originally said gain 20 pounds entire pregnancy since 20 lbs overweight started sister gained 60 lbs pregnancy 's taken n't problems also asked members family obese , none anyway think overly concerned weight gain , feel like i'm severe diet want see one week think diet may temporary one week want know reasonable non fat diet \? would understand said low fat diet , since i'm trying anyway , even said really low fat diet think assumes must eating high fat diet , really endometriosis operation i'm able use energy food eat opinions , info experiences appreciated i'm truly going stark raving mad trying meet new strict diet fruits vegetables go system minutes 'll end eat constantly thus far n't find foods satisfying thanks g one week , probably wants see react diet changes anything live diet need calories pat butter need medium apple \( probably microwave cooked \) smaller meals terrific amounts meat , 's hard digest anyway comfort make carbohydrate meal last longer eat pasta rice give calories slowly rather bread corn maybe smaller meals may getting less room stomach area baby still coming starting push rub ribs \? tight clothes n't wearing clothing compresses middle sure suck stomach sitting , put pressure digestive tract try laying sides , back , stay positions many hours inactive easier legs \( circulation \) well might try letting baby turn least forced ribs last months 's easy baby end right diaphram , especially tight abdominal muscles second one think 'd tried loosen since n't turn sideways late relief enormous maybe doctor thing weight gain pregnancy maybe patients way especially 's young whatever problem might coming something avoided possible nausea , etc vary person person pregnancy first pregnancy miserable second little trouble articles said women nausea statistically better chance carrying baby \( grain salt \) good luck jackie
adrian cc utas edu au \( adrian lewis \) subject cleaning electronic equipment \? organization university tasmania , australia lines 13 hi , quick question standard lab solvents used clean electronic equipment components safely \( ie corrode , dissolve , short , etc equipment \) \? water \? \) methanol \? \? etc \? electronics type \( surprise , surprise \) , want avoid using thanks , adrian
cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject looking movies w bikes summary bike movies keywords movies lines 22 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey article csundh30 ursa csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes assembling info film criticism class final project man , every time thread comes , start jumping screaming ' easy wheels ! easy wheels ! ' date , seems like i'm one ever seen 's absolutely hysterical basic plot reporter searching ring blow road \( hot \) gang babe bikers leather rescued wrecked car desert xtian biker band lead ex viet nam vet steel plate head gives visions time time soon discover gang 'o babes kidnapping children raised wolves \( reasoning behind complex \) , set stop restore justice order world one 5 funniest movies ever seen life kyle cassidy cassidy rowan edu fire guns ! dod 760
adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) subject israel apartheid state \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 47 article 2703 spam maths adelaide edu au jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes article early bird think com shaig think com \( shai guday \) writes article spam maths adelaide edu au , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes arabs cabinet look long took insignificant positions assigned ! based solely race political belief security jewish members party always welcome fellow arabs first , arab standing party , party , solely dependent upon amount political power wield effectively question individuals standing party puts arab cabinet post arab rejected position given jew party talking power racism necessarily shai points , political appointments based power also based favors owed , coalition building , deal making may racist element , think much fair attribute old boy nature politics , 'll freely admit old boy system racist sexist effects , n't think purpose , whether us , israel , elsewhere past , effective votes forming single bloc knesset occasions done , parties took stands extremist , precluded forming coalition participating cabinet party individuals even belong nice peaceful zionist mainstream parties welcome arabs excluded security grounds excuse sure looks like racism , miss old boy nature politics , existance back room deals individuals , arabs may well connected jew gets job n't like aspect politics , understand exists adam adam shostack adam das harvard edu budget big enough drugs sexual favors , sure would n't waste members congress john perry barlow
ltd uhura cc rochester edu \( kenneth \) subject need modem software recommendation keywords modem , software , help nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 15 planning buying modem related software good products wo n't cost lot money still job \? help appreciated looking something 2400 baud area kenneth kenneth david internet ltd uhura cc rochester edu c p u box 88 5 fm rochester , ny 4 cast university rochester rock reagan years 3 5 pm f r
khoh usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject sale silverlining 5 42 hard disk management software organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 11 nntp posting host aludra usc edu last two copies silverlining 5 42 la cie sale disk management software lets test hard drive , install test drivers , partition disks \( supports aux , , etc \) nice piece software around house interested please email offers first good offer also gets disk organization software free khoh usc edu
palmer cco caltech edu \( david palmer \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 30 nntp posting host alumni caltech edu prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable , may thus indirectly contributed array problems design solar arrays detachable shuttle going retunr hst , bother arrays fit quick release one space walk , use second canadarm remove arrays may want put hubble back payload bay reboost , n't want clip panels time gamma ray observatory , one design requirements stored energy \( springs , explosive , gas shocks , etc \) used deployment partially everything could back put back payload bay , partially safety considerations \( 've heard wings cruise missile would cut half standing opened \) back shuttle would going every day cost orbit 3 95 per pound \) , everybody designed things easy servicing david palmer palmer alumni caltech edu palmer tgrs gsfc nasa gov
msk su subject aircraft sale leasing reply msk su organization russian tools co , ltd keywords aircraft sale lines 37 firm position either sell lease one 12 air cargo transport aircraft \( complete technical repair 1993 \) terms delivery 1 price aircraft 2 price leasing per month guarantee flight time 60 hours price includes \) price aircraft b \) price insurance aircraft pilots price leasing include \) fuel price b \) price technical service c \) taxes , airport taxes , air expenses , payments \) loading , unloading insurance cargo e \) days payments pilot , food accomodation expenses , transport expenses terms negotiable interested , please contact earliest andrey moscow tel \( 095 \) 305 71 30 fax \( 095 \) 305 72 60 tools ltd co
jan vesta uni de \( jan \) subject new planet kuiper object found \? organization inst f , universitaet , frg lines 11 distribution sci nntp posting host vesta uni de reply jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 07 38 37 gmt article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes could someone explain names come \? i'm sure 's perfectly good reason name planetoid smiley , i'm equally sure n't know reason read john le 's , tailor , soldier , spy , honorable smiley 's people jan
egret wet uucp \( thomas helke \) subject download files graphics \? organization wetware diversions , san francisco lines 21 find files graphics people downloading unix systems \? , download \? complete beginner \( obviously \) , please baby step process first , n't see amongst newsgroups anything remotely like gif , tif , compiled shareware program \? thanks advance information give \( know unix command , ftp , allow , first need know go find file want download via ftp , etc thomas helke egret wet uucp wq !
ur msstate edu subject harry caray nntp posting host ur msstate edu reply ur msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 19 article oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil \( bernard \) writes old time cardinal fan relocated area recall harry popular old man busch , , understand , fired kicked st louis quite sure reasons , old man certainly ole harry bern grew listening harry carey call games really liked , recall , fired critical \( read honest \) announcing dared point least , remember kid kay jones
ez027993 dale ucdavis edu \( gary built like villanueva huckabay \) subject jose canseco 's swing 1992 vs 1986 organization guys heads , inc \( puckett division \) distribution na lines 29 g waugaman nac enet dec com \( glenn r waugaman \) writes gary 's list ten slowest bats baseball 8 andre dawson \? ! peter andre tremendous bat speed dawson \? bat speed great dawson trouble hitting ball right side left field line without counting 100 swinging \? bat speed never seen 38 year old man , much less red sox player precede \? yes , 's specific enough \? someone consistently pulls ball mean quick bat dawson 's release slow , 38 , may swing early , rotate hips hits ball left side time , swings slowly disagreeing peter gammons whoa ! 's never happened ! next thing know , 'll probably believe dave campbell biggest even come near mic , ray knight iq drained oil gary huckabay outside \? ! right pipe , kenny ! realize n't great control , dave net c'mon ! gary , styrofoam cup really plate 's foot right throw ball
jluther cs umr edu \( john w luther \) subject tapped , code good nntp posting host mcs213c cs umr edu distribution na organization university missouri rolla , rolla , mo lines 12 article 1993apr21 222016 leland stanford edu arc leland stanford edu \( andrew richard conway \) writes course n't react n't react better yet act john john w luther anybody mistakes jluther cs umr edu best email opinions umr 's 313 compuserve com ! n't know umr
msk su \( vladimir \) subject new inexpensive method determining ore oil locations reply msk su organization ltd keywords space satellites statistical prognosis summary interesting idea russia ! lines 18 dear gentlemen ! firm called , ltd offers quite inexpensive method determine ore oil locations world method used data got space satellites office using data get good prognosis locations mentioned prognosis could done part world ! 're interested details please send e mail msk su vladimir , moscow , russia
pledge netcom com \( alan \) subject sale pocket ethernet adapter keywords ethernet organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 12 article netcom com pledge netcom com \( alan \) writes pocket ethernet adapter connects pc parallel port network make offer note device never used \( ie still plastic \) 10baset sig construction send suggestions pledge netcom com
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject alarm systems worthwhile \? organization university westminster distribution usa lines 8 talking car alarms , certain cars country fitted alarm 're talking porsches stuff \( insurance companies \) decided make move , insisted car fitted scorpion alarm \( 've changed \) everyone 's spent fitting scorpion alarm upgrade system sad huh \? \( shaz
lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) subject talk branch davidians organization ideology busters , inc keywords kates lines 110 posted bates firearms politics mailing list recently learned kates going boston give talk law school waco situation \( course , set incident started long unhappy conclusion \) , yesterday went hear follows rough summary think heard say , taken exactly actually said kates started saying since n't know fire audience \( happened day \) , would discuss , would concentrate original raid koresh definitely playing full deck \? n't first time leader new , small religious group ridiculed public extreme religious views nearly always fuel hatred mistrust first amendment applies , maybe especially , people like koresh lengthy digression history police organizations us none 1830 , began metropolitan areas police originally armed found crime progress , called local armed citizens help many began carry arms protection despite regulations , eventually laws changed allow carry guns original intent many small police departments , jealous one another competitive , large enough threat liberty , hence plethora organizations ranging postal inspectors coast guard fbi started , agents authority oto carry guns \( , , bureau investigation , police force \) police agencies misused anyone power maintain power batf started tax collection agency , whose primary job raid illegal stills price sugar went high longer found trade longer profitable , many illegal stills disappeared , batf needed something else justify existence , turned activities like phony raids gun stores around time batf 's annual budget review , media batf come place , pre arranged time , bunch cars full batf agents roar door media get great pictures agents entering premises gun dealer suspected keeping books properly media n't invited boring hours agents paperwork , irregularities found , media gets cover agents removing guns premises , ffl chains waco incident happened weeks batf 's budget review opinion staged publicity stunt went bad , batf never thought moment would actually shot , would planned raid differently \( sending 100 agents open ground cover , example \) , would medical personnel hand confirmed years ago warrant koresh 's arrest connection murder charge , local sheriff called phone explained koresh , ok , come pick , sheriff , temporarily confiscating guns could tested koresh later cleared , release , presumably got guns back least time , rational enough approached rationally , behaved reasonable manner batf n't take account , unlike ffl 's audit , koresh actually paranoid , paranoia followers thus stunt looked like real attack , reacted accordingly respect original warrant , unsealed kates giving talk , could comment , except mention batf known double check informants , manage get judge issue warrant say way warrant served , may completely illegal apparently proper way serve warrant knock door announce 're officer warrant thus n't open door evidence , ok break door since hard flush guns toilet , may justification batf breaking way constitutional rights davidians violated invalid warrant , improperly served warrant , davidians may justified close look one original films shows one batf agent may shot accident entering building , first shot fired ! role media could whole lot worse initial position side batf , media began come around view might situation legally armed citizens held bad , possibly illegal attack real cynic might say fbi went clear public opinion beginning change sides , fbi wanted act lost public 's sympathy batf abolished \? police agencies numerous , diverse , inefficient , , etc better inept accidents like , move toward single , large , well organized , well trained , powerful , domestic police force , would eventually even tragic results bates \( bates bbn com \) ps kates giving shorter version talk boston college law school next tuesday , april 27 n't know exact time place , presumably phone call bc law school could elicit information larry cipriani l v cipriani att com
reply spiff win net \( ed klein \) spiff win net \( ed klein \) subject please post bitmaps ! lines 41 pwiseman salmon usd edu \( cliff \) organization university south dakota subject roman bmp 01 response requests cool bitmaps posting one date 04 27 03 50 pm due resolution size 14 parts uuencoded bitmap 256 colors picture desert blue sky background size right centered wallpaper 1024x768 display leaves border bottom big enough icons fit without top picture reguarding image quality resolution seen much better please ! n't know rest read news , 's subscribe system allows dial via modem download e mail news articles automatically someone posts huge attached binary file , choice receive along new articles groups subscribe also pay connect time , normally problem 14 4k modem day 's upload download session takes 5 minutes today 's session , however , lasted 25 minutes roman bmp consequently , cost 3 00 extra receive file n't want first place cool bitmaps want make available , ways either upload file ftp site \( like ftp cica indiana edu , complete windows section \) tell people get , use one newsgroups like alt binaries pictures \( something like \) , file archives rather discussion groups n't use discussion groups like one send attached files , especially 're 600k size thanks ed klein spiff win net
rei com \( jonathan \) subject 386sx sale organization recognition international , inc lines 15 sale 386sx , 8 meg ram ! , 120 meg maxtor ide hard disk , ami bios stb powergraph svga , 1mb \( 1024x768x256 \) loop 14 color svga monitor \( 28 dot pitch \) 1 2 1 44 diskette drives desktop case , turbo reset switches , hard drive led 101 keyboard , 2 serial 1 parallel 1 game port serial , 2 button , fully ms compatible mouse everex 2400 bps external modem mnp5 dos 5 0 , windows 3 1 logitech scanman 32 software , docs , box asking 875 system call \( 214 \) 579 norton si range 10 2
netcom com \( \) subject gives blank screen organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 10 running system 7 1 centris 610 able setup printer yet open chooser , get blank screen kinds print drivers none shows even get port either one big blank screen help appreciated btw rebuild desktop help either netcom com
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject using california 's antidiscrimination sort case predicted reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 30 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes walz monster , however , past 40 molested kids , says hehehe ! love carefully constructed arguements \? clayton , babe , please define word using legal term proper dictionary term \? molest , far remember , means damage person \( \) ` mate , mike , woman 's 14 molestation \? number friends \( straight \) lost virginity \? told thoroughly enjoyed experience see damage please stop pushing objective morality others push , people wo n't fall say , 're right ! ' , 'll push back signed logic course yet \? clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
qwerty tunisia ssc gov \( kris schludermann \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting nntp posting host tunisia ssc gov organization superconducting super collider laboratory lines 11 article 1993apr23 ra oc com , lusky ccwf cc utexas edu \( jonathan r lusky \) writes shifting without clutch transmission cause transmission damage , question long grenade something \( trans 87 pulsar se , 3 5k miles , weak tranny first place \) please explain 200k miles usage clutchless shift problems krispy
jerry slack med upenn edu \( jerry salem \) subject extra monitors organization university pennsylvania lines 20 nntp posting host med upenn edu hi netters home computer humble 12 color monitor majority work writing , therefore would love b w portrait lc however , sometimes need color monitor question good \( cheap \) way hook two monitors lc anyone done , like \? please respond directly thanks time , hope talk anyone soon ! jerry salem jerry slack med upenn edu
wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu \( william vanhorne \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 33 article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) writes reading posts kirlian \( whatever spelling \) photography could n't help slightly disgusted narrow minded , know , n't believe ca n't see measure attitude many people neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics especially usa grateful , columbus drop edge earth one thing open minded demonstrated false , quite another believe something like photography , claimed effects demonstrated artifacts longer reason adopt wait see attitude photography , experimentally shown nothing simple coronal discharge auras shown missing leaf parts came moisture left original whole leaf , example 's science , son bill vanhorne
bd fluent dartmouth edu \( brice \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update reply wwarf silver ucs indiana edu 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 18 01 48 gmt reply bd fluent dartmouth edu organization fluent inc , lebanon nh distribution usa lines 24 wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes post press said , wished said medical examiner refuted fbi facts n't believe someone lot reason impartial say interest accuracy \( seems late start , know \) medical examiner contradicted fbi fbi said found folks shot head , medical examiner said seen evidence time medical examiner said , dealing charred bodies compound sounds like typical medical examiner releasing details thorough investigation medical examiner saying n't seen something thing saying n't might end true fbi spoken falsely , n't clear yet
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization sgi lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article 6e1 fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes saying islamic bank something bcci would care explain said hope islamic bank something bcci , called childish propagandist yes , sure , obvious reason anyone would make jump bcci islamic bank associating islamic banking muslim ownership case said hoped bcci islamic bank reason one would generalize given islamic bank islamic banks stereotype one x bad , therefore x 's bad case said hoped bcci islamic bank next think know bosnia tap case said hoped bcci islamic bank jon
turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) subject great post ! \( candida bloom \) organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 31 nntp posting host saltillo cs utexas edu article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes course , working theory candida overbloom penetration mucus membrane tissue associated mild inflammatory response occur large number people reject yeast hypothesis , 'd guess 'd view research one wasteful endeavor stay tuned enough medical expertise much opinion one way another hidden candida infections understand skepticism see associated various general kinds symptoms , lack solid demonstration happens causes general symptoms \( understand skepticism , one needs know past failures shared characteristics notion hidden candida infection quite , proponents thought skeptics overly skeptical \) hand , happy read people sufficiently interested possibility , spurred suggestive clinical experience , research doubters may surprised \( happened \) realize admitting ignorance face ignorance may sure know one way another \( , indeed , perhaps know one currently ignorant \) find honest route , happy russell
etxmst sta ericsson se \( markus strobl 98121 \) subject manual shift bigots nntp posting host st83 ericsson se reply etxmst sta ericsson se organization ericsson telecom ab lines 41 article lut fi , cc lut fi \( jarmo \) writes kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering many cars sold finland small cheap cars \( least compared cars note 120 car tax \) could n't expect good auto 1 3 l engine \? bigger cars , however , sold autos would guess high price gas europe \( compared us \) always favoured 4 cylinder manuals small engines autos real bore turn question around , automatics common us \? guess tried couple manuals torque rich v8 's sixties clutches turned real killers use feet depress , lived also , automatic v8 engine real fun drive markus '75 chevy camaro 350 '87 205 1 4 4 speed n't ask car ask car
carroll hercules cis udel edu \( mark c carroll \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host hercules cis udel edu organization university delaware , newark lines 55 article c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? well , never gotten situation look history group david koresh arrested \? twice \? local police times , accepted arrest warrant went peacefully , feds decide arrest choose arrest person record peaceful obedience arrest \? throw concussion grenades building addition , know 've lied initially , told suspected molesting children several wives atf offenses , \? changed story , several times original warrant still sealed told rockets ammunition anyone notice ammo exploding fire \? claimed koresh n't left compound months people town report seeing week raid would handled differently \? well , first , n't seen evidence bds anything wrong 's sealed warrant , collection stories keep changing might done anything ok , supposing know bds arrested well , 've got history accepting arrests , send officers door warrant wearing vests covered distance , 's good reason suspect people anything , right \? n't anyone try serving warrant \? ok going refuse warrant becomes necessary raid plan raid hear hour leak , know coming \? well , change plans , right \? nope go ahead anyone including sending unprotected men break place idiotic n't know would ended original raid never happened shit came later never happened full record raid released public let us know hell really happened lies never told mc mark craig carroll mc people getting tired lies univ delaware , dept cis people believe 's time grad student hacker 're demanding rights answers carroll udel edu elect precedent state mind fish
dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) subject homosexuality issues christianity reply dps nasa kodak com organization eastman kodak company lines 20 article 28328 athos rutgers edu , carlson ab24 larc nasa gov \( ann carlson \) writes anyone thinks gay christianity compatible check dignity , integrity , light presbyterian churches , affirmation , mcc churches , etc meet gay christians , find , pray , discuss scripture , form opinion start religion , would fine scriptural basis statement , fact really gets heart problem think know scripture faith driven feel word god nice people n't make right start churches want wo n't change fact wrong imply gays n't deserve love forgiveness anyone else call behavior right nice people baseless , offers satan perfect place work check suspect ann suggesting look see whether spirit alive among , whether nice people , though 's something said nice clh
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject encapsulated postscript x keywords eps reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 29 nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de eps plain postscript wrapped comments stripped dubious commands compatibility simply ! save showpage def include eps file restore showpage end file way show 's natural page position size programs may use comment eps file arbitrary scale , rotate translate include complicated ways brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject immaculate conception reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 28 someone quoted following 've removed name 's clear name goes level quote clh holy mary , virgin invariably added , holy woman remains st , panacea heresies , 374 377 lord jesus would chosen born virgin judged would taint body lord , home eternal king , seed human intercourse pope st , letter , bishop , 392 basis examples would say joe moore wrong claiming augustine prime mover sin sex view quotes clearly equate sexuality , even within marriage relationship \( else would apply mary marriage joseph \) joe 's assignment reasoning behind concept perpetual virginity mary seem supported quotes sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com
ehd hwc ca \( ping yan \) subject medical term sensation \? organization health welfare , canada lines 23 nntp posting host ehd hwc ca x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 dear netters maybe one explain time time experience strange kind feeling \( kinds weird feelings \) best described feeling losing gravity , like one experiences descending elevator needless say , enjoyable sometimes comes breath extreme fatigue lasts minutes hour lasts long , makes initially called \( spelling \? \) later learnt terminology reserved self awareness heart beats , specific term feeling , person \? always believe unique thanks ping
zikzak apana org au \( paul anderson \) subject need radiologist read ultrasound \? organization zikzak public access unix , melbourne australia lines 40 nntp posting host zikzak apana org au dougb comm mot com \( doug bank \) writes wife 's ob gyn ultrasound machine office next visit , wife asked another doctor office read ultrasounds radiologist read pictures doctor vehemently insisted qualified read ultrasound ! wife concerned saw tv show couple months back \( something like 20 20 nbc , etc \) expert fetal ultrasounds \( radiologist \) showing different could detected using ultrasound wife concerned \? take pictures radiologist second opinion \? \( , would find expert chicago \? \) n't really special medical reason concerned , radiologist able see things ob gyn ca n't , n't see n't use one thoughts \? far see ultrasound rooms use interpretation , capable reading radiologist doctors qualified read x rays , u , ct scans etc radiologist nothing else , thus , better reading time spent \( skill reading x rays etc comes plenty practice \) reads heaps ultrasounds able pick abnormalities demonstrated technique paul zikzak public access unix , melbourne , australia
efi com \( daniel chung \) subject bitmap bmp format mean \? reply root organization electronics imaging , inc lines 6 , mi kaj mol \? \( confused soft hard , software \)
schroede cps msu edu \( kris schroeder \) subject scanner printing quality organization dept comp sci , michigan state university lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host pleiades cps msu edu originator schroede pleiades cps msu edu received color scanner lab however , trouble getting reasonable scanned output printing scanned photo laserwriter iig tried scanning higher resolution display screen appears nice however , printed version coming ugly ! due resolution capabilities printer \? tricks involved get better quality \? getting something \( like photoshop \) pretty image \? appreciate suggestions thanks advance , kris kris schroeder schroede cps msu edu ai kbs lab , michigan state university
! \( robert b love \) subject astronauts weightlessness feel organization rocky mountain next users' group lines 10 article 3qm access digex net prb access digex net \( pat \) writes adaptation trainer \( pat \) dr harm msc \( oops , mean jsc \) aptly named person \? went thru spinning chair tests jsc phd charge milt technician strapped , occasion , inserted probe \( needle \) named bev
merlin lerami lerctr org \( david hayes \) subject secret source announcement distribution inet organization bloody likely ! lines 51 article dns1 nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu \( andrew molitor \) writes article netcom com grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) writes get buck , 2nd hand , must true , eh \? i'm pretty sure nsa supposed , among many things , provide high quality cryptosystems variety places n't recall reading anywhere reliable 're supposed 1 \) monitor phonecalls 2 \) monitor usenet 3 \) provide cryptosystems easily crack 4 \) etc etc say n't , might n't know , evidence , almost values follows , therefore , values 'you' , claims nsa border paranoia andrew ok , andrew , 'll provide evidence friend mine worked electronics manufacturer west coast office routinely sold equipment japanese one day , japanese started showing discount demands amazingly close cost manufacture products company routinely sent manufacturing data field offices japanese simply intercepted friend , computer systems admin , came solution started sending data double block encrypted des two days new distribution plan implemented , president company got visit pair government agents told knock president gave , since company considerable business federal government , government n't monitoring communications , would even know encryption system installed \? , since tion n't illegal , des certainly n't , basis government 's cease desist demand \? spooks whatever think necessary , without blessings law 'll say thanks clipper , anything else government produces moment , double triple des probably adequate line idle , send random garbage , keep 'em busy david hayes merlin lerami lerctr org
prism gatech edu \( michael j \) subject baseball spanish organization georgia institute technology lines 15 article bu edu icop csa bu edu \( antonio pera \) writes recently , heard red sox spanish speaking radio station thought unreal red sox spanish \? anyway , want find widespread \? ny native , know spanish think la , sd , texas fla spanish spanish speaking networks local braves day games broadcast spanish station called la \( station daytime liscence \) , michael j georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! internet prism gatech edu
george george email sps mot com subject info colonics purification \? x xxmessage id sps mot com x xxdate fri , 30 apr 93 16 24 13 gmt nntp posting host 222 205 249 21 organization motorola risc division x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 lines 33 article cup portal com mark robert thorson , mmm cup portal com writes colonics health fad 19th century , persists day except certain medical conditions , reason certainly normal person article 1993apr28 informix com robert hartman , hartman informix com writes also , insofar n't conform accepted medical presumption n't matter eat , think gi tract black box nothing ever goes wrong \( except maybe cancer ulcers \) , righteous doubt jump recently , completed 2 week juice fast \( 3 days water \) two colonics part motivation primarily spiritual , de crap 've putting body \( like thats enough clean effect \) personaly , n't find uncomfortable experience \( colonic \) , lost beer belly \( n't come back last month \) , feel great one things prompted get colonic seeing 90 year old grandmother chair ridden colitis \( \? \) years indulgence everything goes comes , personaly n't mind giving body hand experience , george beliefs \( almost certainly employer \)
jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) subject houston auto insurance organization itc uva community access unix internet project distribution usa lines 37 article 1993apr22 630 cheshire oxy edu colello cheshire oxy edu \( robert colello \) writes hello , moving houston go rice university graduate school living corner university blvd wondering kind liability rates expect relevent info sex male age 23 status single commute none , walking car 1982 ford crown victoria , 4 door anyone check info , similar situation please e mail rates find pay thanks help advance colello delphi com colello cheshire oxy edu suggestion look current insurance card , name accross top telling insurance company insured call information houston get number branch office houston area , call insurance company rates vary depending amount coverage want , want carry comp collision \( probably 82 \) , driving record mentioned none things posting anyone give accurate information like said , pick phone make calls , wo n't kill jeff
mou stanford edu \( alex mou \) subject cure dry skin \? organization stanford university lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host stanford edu hi , skin dry general serious part located knees skin looks like segmented segmentation actually happens beneath skin would like know cure supermarkets pharmacies , quite lot dry skins , chose \? thanks advance hints reply email preferred alex
david stat com \( david dodell \) subject medical news part 1 4 reply david stat com \( david dodell \) distribution world organization stat gateway service , wb7tpy lines 707 cut volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 ! ! ! health info com network ! ! medical newsletter ! editor david dodell , north street , suite 210 , scottsdale , arizona usa telephone 1 \( 602 \) 860 1121 fax 1 \( 602 \) 451 1165 compilation copyright 1993 david dodell , rights reserved license hereby granted electronic media fees charged , long text copyright notice license attached intact portion portions health info com network newsletter distributed articles medical nature welcomed article , please contact editor information submit interested joining automated distribution system , please contact editor e mail address editor internet david stat com fidonet 1 114 15 bitnet atw1h asuacad listserv mednews asuacad bitnet \( internet mednews asuvm inre asu edu \) anonymous ftp vm1 nodak edu notification list notify request stat com fax delivery contact editor information b l e f c n e n 1 centers disease control prevention mmwr 23 april 1993 rates cesarean delivery 1 malaria among u embassy personnel 5 fda approval hib vaccine children infants 8 2 dental news workshop explores oral manifestations hiv infection 11 3 food drug administration news fda approves depo provera , injectable contraceptive 14 new rules speed approval drugs life threatening illnesses 16 4 articles research promises preventing slowing blindness retinal disease 18 affluent diet increases risk heart disease 20 5 general publications health professionals national cancer institute 23 publications patients available national cancer institute 30 6 aids news summaries aids daily summary april 19 april 23 , 1993 38 7 aids statistics worldwide aids statistics 48 hicnet medical newsletter page volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 centers disease control prevention mmwr rates cesarean delivery united states , 1991 source mmwr 42 \( 15 \) date apr 23 , 1993 cesarean deliveries accounted nearly 1 million approximately 4 million annual deliveries united states since 1986 \( table 1 \) cesarean rate united states third highest among 21 reporting countries , exceeded brazil puerto rico \( 1 \) report presents data cesarean deliveries cdc 's national hospital discharge survey \( nhds \) 1991 compares data previous years data discharges short stay , hospitals collected annually since 1965 nhds , conducted cdc 's national center health statistics 1991 , medical demographic information sample 274 , 000 discharged 484 participating hospitals 1991 cesareans vaginal births prior cesarean \( vbac \) presented report based weighted national estimates nhds sample approximately 31 , 000 \( 11 \) women discharged delivery estimated numbers live births type delivery calculated applying cesarean rates nhds live births national vital registration data therefore , estimates number cesareans report agree previously published data based solely nhds \( 2 \) stated differences analysis significant 95 confidence level , based two test critical value 1 96 1991 , 23 5 cesareans per 100 deliveries , rate 1990 similar rates 1986 1989 \( table 1 \) primary cesarean rate \( e , number first cesareans per 100 deliveries women previous cesareans \) 1986 1991 also stable , ranging 16 8 17 5 1991 , cesarean rate south 27 6 , significantly \( p 0 05 \) higher rates west \( 19 8 \) , midwest \( 21 8 \) , northeast \( 22 6 \) rates higher mothers aged greater equal 30 years younger women proprietary hospitals nonprofit government hospitals hospitals fewer 300 beds larger hospitals deliveries blue cross blue shield private insurance expected source payment sources payment \( table 2 \) pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries since early 1970s , number percentage births older women increased however , age distribution mothers 1991 remained 1986 , overall cesarean rate 1991 would 23 3 , essentially 23 5 observed based nhds , approximately 4 , 111 , 000 live births 1991 , hicnet medical newsletter page 1 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 estimated 966 , 000 \( 23 5 \) cesarean delivery , estimated 338 , 000 \( 35 0 \) births repeat cesareans , 628 , 000 \( 65 0 \) primary cesareans since 1986 , approximately 600 , 000 primary cesareans performed annually 1986 , 8 5 women previous cesarean delivered , compared 24 2 1991 cesareans 1991 , 35 0 associated previous cesarean , 30 4 \( e , failure labor progress \) , 11 7 breech presentation , 9 2 fetal distress , 13 7 specified complications average hospital stay deliveries 1991 2 8 days comparison , hospital stay primary cesarean delivery 4 5 days , repeat cesarean , 4 2 days nearly twice duration vbac deliveries \( 2 2 days \) vaginal deliveries \( 2 3 days \) 1986 , average hospital stay deliveries 3 2 days , primary cesareans 5 2 days , repeat cesareans 4 7 days , vbac non vbac vaginal deliveries 2 7 2 6 days , respectively reported office vital health statistics systems , national center health statistics , cdc editorial note cesarean rate united states steadily increased 1965 1986 however , findings report indicate rates stable since 1986 \( 3 \) little evidence maternal child health status improved time cesareans associated increased risk complications childbirth , national health objective year 2000 \( 4 \) reduce overall cesarean rate 15 fewer per 100 deliveries primary cesarean rate 12 fewer per 100 deliveries \( objective 14 8 \) complications including urinary tract wound infections may account part longer hospital stays cesarean deliveries vaginal births \( 5 \) moreover , prolonged hospital stays cesarean deliveries substantially increase health care costs example , 1991 , average costs cesarean vaginal deliveries , respectively additional cost cesarean delivery includes 611 physician fees hospital charges \( 6 \) cesarean rate 1991 15 \( year 2000 objective \) instead 23 5 , number cesarean births would decreased 349 , 000 \( 617 , 000 versus 966 , 000 \) , resulting savings 1 billion physician fees hospital charges despite steady increase vbac rates since 1986 , several factors may impede progress toward year 2000 national health objectives cesarean delivery example , vbac rates substantially reflect number women offered trial labor , increasingly encouraged since 1982 \( 7 \) women offered trial labor , 50 70 could deliver \( 7 \) level already achieved many hospitals \( 8 \) trial labor routinely offered 46 hospitals surveyed 1984 \( recent year hicnet medical newsletter page 2 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 national data available \) \( 9 \) vbac rate \( according nhds data \) 5 7 year 2000 objective specifies vbac rate 35 , based women prior cesarean , regardless whether trial labor attempted reach overall cesarean rate goal , however , increases vbac rate need combined substantial reduction primary rate one hospital succeeded reducing rate cesarean delivery applying objective criteria four common indications cesarean delivery , requiring second opinion , peer review process \( 10 \) recommendations decreasing cesarean delivery rates include eliminating incentives physicians hospitals vaginal cesarean deliveries public dissemination physician hospital specific cesarean delivery rates increase public awareness differences practices addressing malpractice concerns , may important factor maintaining high rates cesarean delivery \( 4 \) references 1 fc international differences use interventions jama 1990 263 91 2 graves ej , 1991 summary national hospital discharge survey , maryland us department health human services , public health service , cdc , 1993 \( advance data 227 \) 3 sm , pj , cl u cesarean section rates , 1990 update birth 1992 19 21 2 4 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion disease prevention objectives full report , commentary washington , dc us department health human services , public health service , 1991 dhhs publication \( \) 91 5 danforth dn cesarean section jama 1985 253 811 8 6 hospital insurance association america table 4 15 cost maternity care , physicians' fees , hospital charges , census region , based consumer price index \( 1991 \) 1992 source book health insurance data washington , dc hospital insurance association america , 1992 7 committee committee opinion 64 guidelines vaginal delivery previous cesarean birth washington , dc american college , 1988 hicnet medical newsletter page 3 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 8 rosen mg , dickinson jc vaginal birth cesarean meta analysis indicators success obstet gynecol 1990 76 865 9 9 ph , fielden jg , , gg , wh recent trends cesarean birth trial labor rates united states jama 1987 257 494 7 10 myers sa , n successful program lower cesarean section rates n engl j med 1988 319 6 use trade names commercial sources identification imply endorsement public health service u department health human services hicnet medical newsletter page 4 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 malaria among u embassy personnel kampala , uganda , 1992 source mmwr 42 \( 15 \) date apr 23 , 1993 treatment prevention malaria africa become challenging complex problem increasing drug resistance although risk acquiring malaria u citizens stationed overseas generally low , risk varies substantially may 1992 , office medical services , department state \( oms dos \) , cdc notified increased number malaria cases among official u personnel stationed kampala , uganda review health records embassy health unit \( ehu \) kampala indicated 27 cases malaria diagnosed official personnel march june 1992 compared two cases period 1991 ehu , oms dos , cdc conducted investigation confirm reported malaria cases identify potential risk factors malaria among u embassy personnel report summarizes results investigation malaria blood smears 25 27 reported case patients available review oms dos cdc case malaria confirmed slide positive sp 25 persons , 17 slide confirmed malaria questionnaire distributed persons served ehu obtain information residence , activities , use malaria chemoprophylaxis , use personal protection measures \( e , using insect , window door screens , wearing long sleeves pants evening \) 157 persons eligible survey , 128 \( 82 \) responded risk malaria associated sex location residence kampala although risk malaria higher among children aged less equal 15 years \( 6 32 19 \) among persons greater 15 years \( 11 94 12 \) , difference significant \( relative risk rr 1 6 95 confidence interval ci 0 6 4 0 \) eighty two percent cases occurred among persons living kampala 1 5 years , compared living less 1 year travel outside kampala area rural settings associated increased risk malaria four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens used persons participated survey mefloquine , chloroquine , chloroquine alone , alone addition , 23 \( 18 \) persons responded using malaria chemoprophylaxis risk malaria significantly lower among persons using either mefloquine chloroquine \( 8 88 9 \) among persons using regimens prophylaxis \( 9 37 24 \) \( rr 0 4 95 ci 0 2 0 9 \) twelve persons using prophylaxis reported side effects fear possible side effects reason risk malaria lower among persons reported using hicnet medical newsletter page 5 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 time \( 2 27 7 \) among persons sometimes rarely used \( 15 99 15 \) \( rr 0 5 95 ci 0 1 2 0 \) risk malaria also lower among persons consistently used insect repellent evening \( 0 16 \) , compared rarely used repellent \( 17 110 15 \) \( rr 0 upper 95 confidence limit 1 2 \) risk malaria associated failure window door screens wear long sleeves pants evening result investigation , ehu staff reviewed personnel need use comply recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens ehu staff also emphasized need use personal protection measures made plans obtain impregnated provide window door screens personnel reported u embassy health unit , kampala , uganda office medical svcs , dept state , washington , c malaria br , div parasitic diseases , national center infectious diseases , cdc editorial note uganda , increase malaria among u personnel attributed poor adherence recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens use personal protection measures period increased malaria transmission intensified chloroquine resistance sub africa findings report underscore need provide initial continued counseling regarding malaria prevention persons living abroad malaria endemic areas preventive measures also important short term travelers areas mefloquine effective prophylaxis regimen africa areas chloroquine resistant p falciparum however , areas \( e g , thailand \) , resistance mefloquine may limit effectiveness africa , efficacy mefloquine , compared chloroquine alone , preventing infection p falciparum 92 \( 1 \) mefloquine safe well tolerated given 250 mg per week 2 year period risk serious adverse reactions possibly associated mefloquine prophylaxis \( e g , \) low \( e , 1 3 1 9 episodes per 100 , 000 users 2 \) , risk less severe adverse reactions \( e g , dizziness , gastrointestinal complaints , sleep disturbances \) similar \( 1 \) similar efficacy mefloquine , need daily may reduce compliance effectiveness regimen \( 3 , 4 \) chloroquine alone effective prophylaxis areas intense chloroquine resistance \( e g , southeast asia africa \) africa , persons cannot take mefloquine , chloroquine alternative , although less effective , regimen chloroquine used malaria prevention areas chloroquine resistant p falciparum reported country specific recommendations preventing malaria information hicnet medical newsletter page 6 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 dosage precautions malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens available health information international travel , 1992 \( e , yellow book \) \( 5 \) 24 hours day telephone fax , \( 404 \) 332 references 1 ho , , eng , et al long term malaria prophylaxis weekly mefloquine peace corps volunteers effective well tolerated regimen lancet 1993 341 848 51 2 world health organization review central nervous system adverse events related drug , mefloquine \( 1985 1990 \) geneva world health organization , 1991 publication mal 91 1063 3 pang l , n , p treatment falciparum malaria low dose j infect dis 1988 158 1124 7 4 pang l , n , boudreau ef , p prophylaxis falciparum malaria lancet 1987 1 1161 4 5 cdc health information international travel , 1992 atlanta us department health human services , public health service , 1992 98 dhhs publication \( cdc \) 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 7 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 fda approval use new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine combined diphtheria tetanus pertussis haemophilus b conjugate vaccine infants children source mmwr 42 \( 15 \) date apr 23 , 1993 haemophilus influenzae type b \( hib \) conjugate vaccines recommended use infants since 1990 , routine use infant vaccination contributed substantial decline incidence hib disease united states \( 1 3 \) vaccines diphtheria , tetanus , pertussis infancy childhood administered routinely united states since late 1940s associated greater 90 reduction morbidity mortality associated infection organisms increasing number vaccines routinely recommended infants , high priority development combined vaccines allow simultaneous administration fewer separate injections food drug administration \( fda \) recently licensed two new products children diseases 1 \) haemophilus b conjugate vaccine \( tetanus conjugate , acthib trademark \) , vaccination hib disease 2 \) combined diphtheria tetanus whole cell pertussis vaccine \( dtp \) hib conjugate vaccine \( tetramune trademark \) , combination vaccines formulated use children diphtheria , tetanus , pertussis , hib disease acthib trademark march 30 , 1993 , fda approved new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine , phosphate tetanus conjugate \( \) , manufactured pasteur serum et distributed acthib trademark laboratories , inc \( , pennsylvania \) vaccine licensed use infants three dose primary vaccination series administered ages 2 , 4 , 6 months previously infants 7 11 months age receive two doses 2 months apart previously children 12 14 months age receive one dose booster dose administered 15 months age recommended children previously children 15 59 months age receive single dose require booster 90 infants receiving primary vaccination series acthib trademark \( consecutive doses 2 , 4 , 6 months age \) develop geometric mean anti haemophilus b antibody greater 1 ug ml \( 4 \) response similar infants receive recommended series previously licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines efficacy demonstrated prospective trials two u efficacy trials terminated early haemophilus b conjugate vaccines hicnet medical newsletter page 8 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 use infants \( 4 \) studies , cases invasive hib disease detected approximately 6000 infants studies suggest efficacy vaccine similar licensed hib vaccines tetramune trademark march 30 , 1993 , fda approved combined diphtheria tetanus whole cell pertussis vaccine \( dtp \) haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark , available praxis \( pearl river , new york \) , combines two previously licensed products , dtp \( registered , manufactured laboratories pearl river , new york \) haemophilus b conjugate vaccine \( registered , manufactured praxis , inc rochester , new york \) vaccine licensed use children aged 2 months 5 years protection diphtheria , tetanus , pertussis , hib disease indications vaccination dtp vaccine haemophilus b conjugate vaccine coincide based demonstration co higher antibody responses components two vaccines , tetramune trademark expected provide protection hib , well diphtheria , tetanus , pertussis , equivalent already licensed dtp haemophilus b vaccines advisory committee immunization practices \( acip \) recommends infants receive primary series one licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines beginning 2 months age booster dose age 12 15 months \( 5 \) acip also recommends infants receive four dose primary series diphtheria tetanus pertussis vaccine 2 , 4 , 6 , 15 18 months age , booster dose 4 6 years \( 6 8 \) complete statement regarding recommendations use acthib trademark tetramune trademark developed reported office vaccines research review , center evaluation research , food drug administration div immunization , national center prevention svcs meningitis special pathogens br , div bacterial diseases , national center infectious diseases , cdc references 1 adams wg , ka , sl , et al decline childhood haemophilus influenzae type b \( hib \) disease hib vaccine era jama 1993 269 221 6 2 le , erickson rl , kelley pw decrease invasive haemophilus influenzae disease u army children , 1984 1991 jama 1993 269 227 31 3 murphy tv , white ke , pastor p , et al declining incidence haemophilus influenzae type b disease since introduction vaccination jama hicnet medical newsletter page 9 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 1993 269 246 8 4 b , efficacy safety haemophilus influenzae type b tetanus protein conjugate vaccine j 1992 121 355 62 5 acip haemophilus b conjugate vaccines prevention haemophilus influenzae type b disease among infants children two months age older recommendations immunization practices advisory committee \( acip \) mmwr 1991 40 \( rr 1 \) 6 acip diphtheria , tetanus , pertussis recommendations vaccine use preventive measures recommendations immunization practices advisory committee \( acip \) mmwr 1991 40 \( rr 10 \) 7 acip pertussis vaccination pertussis vaccine booster use supplementary acip statement recommendations immunization practices advisory committee \( acip \) mmwr 1992 41 \( rr 1 \) 8 acip pertussis vaccination pertussis vaccine fourth fifth doses dtp series update supplementary acip statement recommendations immunization practices advisory committee \( acip \) mmwr 1992 41 \( rr 15 \) use trade names commercial sources identification imply endorsement public health service u department health human services hicnet medical newsletter page 10 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 dental news international workshop explores oral manifestations hiv infection nidr research digest written jody dove march 1993 national institute dental research second international workshop oral manifestations hiv infection , held january 31 february 3 san francisco , participants explored issues related epidemiology , basic molecular , mucosal , oral clinical presentations hiv infection workshop organized dr john dr deborah department , school dentistry , university california , san francisco international steering committee scientific program committee provided guidance conference drew 260 scientists 39 countries , including asia , africa , europe , central america , south america , well united states canada support tor workshop provided national institute dental research , national cancer institute , national institute allergy infectious diseases , nih office aids research , gamble company among topics discussed epidemiology hiv lesions ethics , professional responsibility , public policy occupational issues provision oral care hiv positive population salivary hiv transmission mucosal immunity infections pediatric hiv infection women 's issues recommendations recommendations emerged workshop define association appearance oral lesions rate progression hiv , establish universal terminology hiv associated oral lesions , look effective treatments oral manifestations , expand molecular biology studies understand relationship hiv infection common oral lesions , study effects hiv therapy oral lesions epidemiology since first international workshop oral manifestations hiv infection five years ago , epidemiology hiv infection hicnet medical newsletter page 11 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 radically changed 1988 , hiv infection detected reported largely homosexual bisexual males , intravenous drug users , today , hiv infection seen heterosexual males females children adolescents predominant impact hiv infection felt africa , major increase infection rate seen southeast asia well five hundred thousand cases reported date region appearing time researchers continuing document epidemiology oral lesions hairy candidiasis also beginning explore relationships specific oral lesions hiv disease progression prognosis social political issues discussion social political implications hiv infection focused changing public 's attitude aids retribution indiscriminate sexual behavior drug use speakers also addressed health care delivery hiv infected patients , need educate public aids , acquired saliva salivary glands conference speakers described transmission issues hiv inhibitory activity saliva , strength varies among different salivary secretions whole saliva greater inhibitory effect secretions , turn greater inhibitory effect secretions research shown least two mechanisms responsible salivary inhibitory activity attributed hiv inhibitory effect saliva 1 \) hiv saliva , may promote clearance virus prevent reaching target cell , 2 \) direct effects virus target cells topics discussed manifestation salivary gland disease hiv infected persons current research oral mucosal immunity pediatric issues pediatric aids recently emerged area intense interest early accurate diagnosis proper treatment , life expectancy hiv infected children prevention transmission hiv mother child may possible many cases , particularly mother 's status known prior giving birth tissue disease hicnet medical newsletter page 12 volume 6 , number 11 april 25 , 1993 oral health researchers continue explore diseases found individuals hiv infection recommendations made workshop include standardization terminology , refinement diagnostic markers , standardization study design , proper consideration confounding variables resulting therapy occupational treatment issues occupational issues surrounding treatment hiv infected individuals treatment rendered hiv infected health care professionals still command considerable attention factors consideration include cost benefit hiv testing , patient health care provider transmission hiv infection reverse , use mainstream versus dedicated facilities treatment hiv infected patients conference participants anticipate third international workshop oral manifestations hiv infection held five years less proceedings second workshop published company late 1993 end part 1 internet david stat com fax 1 \( 602 \) 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na
raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) subject jokes ! lines 95 nntp posting host ucr edu serdar , told real , account fake \( confirmed trying e mail \) advised waste time writing , get pleasure watching make fool article zuma uucp sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) writes article 1993may19 cypress com bmug org \( \) writes really bounds decency slandering tens generations peace loving armenians , kind mean generations people die sdpa 91 urartu uucp yes , stated stand sdpa 255 urartu uucp stand statement armenians ok , see lets even act chance human see serdar , judge people race called racism tend sort thing obviously n't label entire race way , easy stop thinking human beings , make genocide possible guess \( serdar fill page quotes taken context \) know , huh \? december 17 , 1980 sydney two nazi armenians massacre sarik ariyak bodyguard , engin sever jcag sdpa claim responsibility n't find weak enemies fascist nazi barbarian fill blank catch bad term public knowledge hagopian , began notorious career member terrorist group perpetrated massacre israeli athletes munich olympics 1972 public knowlege \? aware see , armenians decide kill israeli athletes 1972 practice confused , thanks clearing 'armenian stole children turkiye fund criminal activities asala sdpa arf terrorists cold blooded murder defenceless turkish kurdish people wow , roll accusations today serdar , armenians steal turkish children \? lunch money \? cute inserted children fill blank accusation sheet fill every day really touches heart oh thank letting know kurds armenians hate aware time ever talked kurds wonderful treatment recieving turkey must high insanity sure lot fighting non turkish government let culture flower past 70 years armenian foundation provided 30 billion tl asala 01 09 92 , armenian foundation based istanbul found provided 30 billion turkish \( 6 million \) armenian terrorist organization asala murdered several turkish diplomats abroad thanks unbiased turkish media source sure rated number one accuracy truth deadliest terrorist , carlos , proclaimed spanish television organization entered working relationship armenian terrorists using drug trafficking raise money 'to slaughter innocent people innocent \? terrorists call victims \? never heard terrorists calling victims innocent yes , folks news ira public relations department reported killed 20 innocent victims car bombing nope serdar , n't think armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people 1914 1920 oops almost forgot fill say something turks killed armenians section note serdar argic yeah sure really serdar argic , really bob hope ! ! ! ! may already 10 million dollars ! ! ! unfortunately armenian foundation sure steal subway give terrorists kill innocent kurds innocent israeli athletes ahhh , going take fantasy world \? \?
distribution world david schnider bmug org organization bmug , inc subject psi modem problem ii lines 17 first problem sound tried m0 , even n't want suggestions \? second really strange first , kept mentioning fc slowed time took long well logged extensions n't slowdown also , last time online quit \( usually disconnects quits \) disconnected would n't quit force quit , launched fc said modem port use really strange thought might fax software restart could reset modem port \( likely explanation \) , suggestions \? david planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
holfeltz lstc2vm stortek com subject question jesus alone , oneness organization storagetek sw engineering lines 40 article may 5 02 53 16 1993 athos rutgers edu sas upenn edu \( james r blankenship \) writes jesus oneness tend refer groups deny trinity explain matthew saying jesus name father , jesus name son , jesus name name holy spirit , father , son , holy spirit referring different roles , filled jesus imho going bad worse 3 1 , 1 3 bad enough like god prays refuse believe jesus prayed let 's get real , scriptures say prayed father , father someone different son problems multiple gods , whole context scriptures says perfect , even father heaven co heirs christ like co heirs share things equally including knowledge , power , dominion etc like \( christ \) , god god cannot , powerful god , liar god , greatest gods n't know anyone says jesus prayed whole point trinity 's enough distinction within god relationship possible implies sort communication assume native form , father son directly enough connected prayer sense n't involved jesus incarnation son , e logos made flesh 's human form , human actions limited human capabilities communication father takes form prayer n't see 's anything seems implicit whole idea incarnation clh
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jwh sei cmu edu \( john huber \) subject leafs crushed blues win flames back organization software engineering institute lines 34 article 1993apr22 wuecl wustl edu , jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) writes article vzhivov cunews vzhivov alfred carleton ca \( vladimir zhivov \) writes blues , led best goalie nhl season , curtis joseph , shut hawks 2 0 blues playing like '86 clutch 'n grab , shoot puck 's incredibly boring watch , works finally non blues fan agrees joseph great goalie think win vezina year least share barrasso also shadowed mario 's amazing performance think joseph great year considered vezina think barrasso joseph two strongest candidates year n't believe hype roy , belfour potvin receive goaltending think great nets , would rather curtis , tommy fuhr nets years playoffs big name always seem strong defense front goaltenders get credit would rather face 25 shots game , rely joseph saving 35 , goalie going face 35 shots , would rather joseph barrasso facing jay ps go quebec ! ! ! know mclean several others mentioned candidates years vezina , partial joseph barrasso season john w huber , jr aka jay penguins 1991 , 1992 stanley cup champions software engineering institute pirates 1990 , 1991 , 1992 nl east champions sei \( 412 \) 268 boat skiing
pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) organization columbia university lines 165 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes center policy research cpr subject zionist leaders' frank statements following quotations zionist leaders appear numerous scholarly works dealing palestine question urge access original sources , verify authenticity source post finding , adhering truth whatever thanks elias davidsson quotations zionist leaders 1 thing palestinians \( golda meir , prime minister israel , london sunday times , 15 june 1969 \) certainly never called palestinians 3 settled land , arabs able around like cockroaches bottle \( raphael , israeli chief staff , new york times , 14 april 1983 \) coming soldier ca n't surprise charge , 's reason gets votes every year elect squeaky clean , corruption 4 palestinians beasts walking two legs \( menachem begin , prime minister israel speech knesset , quoted , beasts , new statesman , 25 june 1982 \) i'm ignorant 's new statesman \? 5 process palestinians removal poor must carried \( dr theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , 1960 , , p 88 \) oh , jews ! learn , anti semite iceland 6 must clear room people together country solution palestine without arabs way transfer arabs neighboring countries , transfer one village , one tribe , left \( joseph weitz , jewish national fund , administrator responsible zionist colonization davar , 29 september 1967 \) let 's face , 1967 , view \? 7 shall try spirit population palestinians across border procuring employment transit countries , denying employment country \( theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , 1960 , , p 88 \) could mean anyone , big guy grow hate brackets 8 zionists looked means cause tens thousands arabs remained galilee flee gathered jewish , contact arabs different villages asked ears arabs great jewish reinforcement arrived galilee going burn villages suggest arabs , friends , escape still time tactic reached goal wide areas cleaned \( alon , ha palmach , hebrew , ii p 268 , quoted , conquest , ips , 1971 \) gave advance warning like plo , eh \? 10 jews must expel arabs take place \( david ben gurion , 1937 , quoted , ben gurion palestine arabs , oxford university press , 1985 , p 89 \) yeah , yeah brackets picky \? 11 must everything ensure palestinian refugees never return \( david ben gurion , diary , 19 july 1948 , quoted michael bar , ben gurion armed prophet , prentice hall , 1967 , p 157 \) bracket man 12 country mostly empty desert , islands arab settlement \( peres , minister defense , quoted david 's sling arming israel , nicholson , 1970 , p 249 \) truth , elias \? 13 story danger extermination jews blown justify annexation new arab territories \( mordechai , israeli cabinet minister , al hamishmar , 14 april 1972 \) holocaust never happened , eh elias \? 14 neither jewish ethics jewish tradition terrorism means combat \( yitzhak shamir , , summer 1943 journal lehi , stern gang , translated israeli daily al hamishmar , 24 december 1987 lehi always warned advance plo , buddy boy 14 domination jewish agriculture arab workers cancer body \( , israeli minister agriculture , ha'aretz , 13 december 1974 \) true ! jews unemployed \? say america , jerky 15 one national home palestine , jewish one , equality partnership jews arabs \( david eder , president zionist federation great britain , 1931 , , comp , palestine papers 1917 1922 , seeds conflict , george , 1973 , p 135 \) firmly believe today 16 hope jewish palestine great jewish energy getting palestine \( dr chaim weizmann , first president state israel , excerpts historic statements , writings addresses , jewish agency palestine , 1952 , p 48 \) n't understand metaphor , quotes lead nowhere doubt actuality , guarantee compiled neo nazi group love pseudo intellectual approach makes sound even dumber conclusions amim peace , pete
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syma sussex ac uk \( leigh dodd \) subject help uk law please organization university sussex x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 31 greetings , anyone let know status uk law riding motorcycles used ride one 12 years ago never took dot test \( one whole list things wished done young \) , passed car driving test travel brighton every day i'm getting pissed traffic road works thinking getting bike \( n't laugh \) get take test , get bigger one \( 400 600 cc \) told n't get full licence \? thanks advanced leigh leigh dodd engineering applied science \( \) university sussex , brighton bn1 9qh , uk phone 44 273 ext fax 44 273 janet uk ac internet ac uk
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csir co za \( dominique \) subject boot sometimes fails organization csir lines 21 nntp posting host 146 64 134 195 x disclaimer none expressed herein official x disclaimer opinions csir subsidiaries x disclaimer n't freak us anything article 1993apr28 latrobe edu au lux latrobe edu au \( matthew gillard \) writes subject boot sometimes fails lux latrobe edu au \( matthew gillard \) date wed , 28 apr 1993 05 37 00 gmt sometimes boot windows 3 1 , windows logo comes han gs , using dos 6 doublespace , 5 meg temp swap file uncompressed drive press reset button computer , windows boots fine \? \? \? dos 6 \? matthew gillard , blessed run around computer systems engineering , circles , shall la trobe university , known wheels dos 5 never used area e000 efff , well others cards use \( lan card \) , might get problem use x e000 efff emm386 exe line config sys run memmaker instruct retain inclusions
khoh aludra usc edu \( oliver muoto \) subject many business books sale good prices organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 54 distribution world nntp posting host aludra usc edu following books best sellers sale excellent order interested email offer 1 zapp lightning william , jeff cox harmony books 2 beware naked man offers shirt harvey william , morrow co 3 still n't reach harvard mark h bantam books 4 2000 10 new directions 90 's john p william , morrow co 5 phone power george putnam books 6 every supervisor know r , j mcgraw hill 7 new directions advertising stan , tom collins mcgraw hill 8 competition john , jr 9 professional speaking wilder simon schuster 10 managing management time william jr prentice hall 11 getting praised raised recognized solomon prentice hall 12 getting want reach agreement anderson dutton 13 let 's talk quality philip b crosby mcgraw hill 14 frontal attack , divide conquer richard wiley 15 den thieves james b stewart simon schuster 16 20 20 vision stanley davis , bill davidson simon schuster , email please khoh usc edu
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization university illinois urbana lines 35 scd ucar edu \( cris hannu \) writes article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com , ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know yeah , right bmw v10 's v12 's , ca n't remember auto show ago 850 v12 \( 5l , \) 835 \? 840 \? v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com cris hannu high country cray research , inc ncar boulder , co scd ucar edu \) chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
thewho athena mit edu \( derek fong \) subject get power cord plug non apple monitor quadra power supply \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 23 nntp posting host alfredo mit edu sony 1304s would like hook get power though quadra 800 's power supply ie , apple monitor , could plug monitor directly computer hit power button keyboard , monitor computer go , shut , go extension cord type cable buy allows plug existing power cord plug extension cable quadra \? thoughts comments would appreciated , thanks advance , derek derek fong email thewho plume mit edu dept physical oceanography thewho darla edu bldg 54 clark laboratory 317 massachusetts institute technology woods hole oceanographic institution cambridge , 02139 woods hole , \( 617 \) 253 2922 \( 508 \) 457 2000
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 20 article 1993apr23 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote also understand read bible cover cover , examining book within , cross comparing , etc come conclusions robert weiss rick , read bible \? written plain english decide i'm curious know christians ever read books based critique religion , classical text age reason paine , myth maker sometimes good know enemy , want serious research understand sides , solely one right one cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
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menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) subject graphic design newsgroup \? \? \? organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 3 newsgroup discusses graphic design pcs macs \? y'know like corel draw \? \?
ljones utkvx utk edu \( leslie jones \) subject want macweek news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 16 article 1993apr21 leland stanford edu , smashman leland stanford edu \( adam samuel nash \) writes get subscription macweek want one , n't seem able find subscription card anywhere email smashman leland stanford edu ordered subscription today call macweek 's customer service dept \( 609 \) 461 2100 quote plastic forget number , 's included statement ownership , contents page copy one year subscription costs 99 00 u , canada , mexico told first issue would arrive 4 6 weeks leslie jones ljones utkvx utk edu
bobo thejester cray com \( bob kierski \) subject philosophy quest boldly \? originator bobo thejester cray com lines 21 nntp posting host thejester organization cray research , inc number philosophical questions would like ask 1 \) encounter life form space exploration , determine capture , imprison , \? 2 \) encounter civilization suffering , expend resources earth help \? 3 \) deseases currently deadly undetectable , done ensure new deadly deseases n't brought back , deseases n't destroy life elsewhere \? day , \( \) bobo
taob r node hub org \( brian tao \) subject krillean photography organization mugs research development facility x newsreader mugs 3 apr 22 93 alex vuse vanderbilt edu \( alexander p zijdenbos \) reply taob r node hub org lines 24 article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu , alexander p zijdenbos writes neither real believer , disbeliever comes called paranormal stuff far i'm concerned , likely existence , instance , god , seems quite accepted societies without scientific basis one \( least , many people \) trying pass god scientific fact kirlian photography 'll admit possible superior intelligence exists elsewhere , people want label intelligence god , i'm going stop anyway , let 's turn theological debate \) convinced serious mistake close mind something , anything , simply n't fit current frame reference history shows many great people , great scientists , people kept open mind ridiculed sceptics read alt fan robert mcelwaine sometime 've never closed minded subscribing group \) brian tao taob r node hub org \( r node bbs , 416 249 5366 , free ! \) wave scar utoronto ca \( university toronto \)
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plastic ecr mu oz au \( jason lee \) subject 25 words less organization computer science , university melbourne , australia lines 13 everywhere see hear christianity \( due nature \) witnessing , spreading gospel , etc want know \( anyone else \) become christian \? \( twenty five words less \) zeros ones take us peace plastic 1993 've enough discussions evidence recently would probably best respond via email clh
cs strath ac uk \( john wilson \) subject phillips monitor conversion organization comp sci dept , strathclyde univ , glasgow , scotland lines 37 nntp posting host hunter 06 cs strath ac uk hi , 's another ideas type queries 've given phillips terminal type thingy , without keyboard problem far , discovered really standard rgb monitor built modem rom software etc phillips kindly labelled circuit board rgb inputs , connected monitor presto worked sort problem idea connect sync lines display rolls continuously , change modes \( ok cga useful laptop \) wonderful people knowledge phillips monitors \? 've tried phillips uk helpful guy told several enquiries sort , phillips computer auspices dec \( least uk \) dec said sorry phillips n't make anyway \? uk support dealer said circuit diagrams \? sync \? ideas john quote computer scientists boring 're wonderful , exciting , interesting people happen like talking inanimate objects human
jth bach udel edu \( jay thomas hayes \) subject turbo games forsale nntp posting host bach udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 40 revised list following turbo 16 games sale cases instructions i'm asking 10 piece games 3 h \( pay 3 first game \) please email replies jth bach udel edu alien crush world class baseball keith courage legendary axe legendary axe ii ninja spirit tiger road power golf world sports competition space silent cyber core final lap twin devil 's crush keith courage crush victory run blazing following tg 16 cd rom games forsale i'm asking 20 3 h first game 's book ii \( cd \) 20 final zone ii \( cd \) iii \( cd \) 's iii wanderers 's \( cd \) dragon slayer \( cd \) r cosmic fantasy 2 \( cd \)
wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) subject question bosio 's hitter organization hi , i'm matt , i'm boston red sox fan lines 17 nntp posting host elvis swarthmore edu n't actually answer one bosio , walking first two batters , retired 27 straight back end perfect game many games including extra inning games seen pitcher retire 27 straight , excluding official perfect games \? instance know sure famous ernie shore game , counts perfect one according goons shore came game boston pitcher babe ruth got thrown arguing first batter walk shore picked retired 26 straight matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey , gotta job , ok \? april 6 , 1993 boston red sox seize first place
cs utwente nl \( \) subject old keyboards never die nntp posting host cs utwente nl organization university twente , dept computer science lines 29 hello , i'am almost ask question really looks like faq , could n't find answer anyway original ibm pc xt 83 84 key keyboard , opinion , still best keyboard around function keys right place \( eh left place \) , firm click , etc chance connect one modern 386 clone \? understand new keyboard functionality e repeat rate programmable etc seams pins electrical specs old new keyboard , however , maybe communication protocol different \? please answer e mail also tell absolutely impossible case , bring keyboard museum obsolete technology thanks , tel 53 university twente fax 53 p box 217 internet cs utwente nl 7500 ae enschede netherlands ugly pictures sig !
dsg ecrc de \( douglas greer \) subject research positions 3d graphics , munich , germany originator dsg houdini reply dsg ecrc de \( douglas greer \) organization european computer industry research centre , munich lines 36 european computer research centre research positions 3d graphics ecrc currently expanding research staff three dimensional graphics looking highly qualified researchers phd computer science proven ability conduct highly innovative research preference given candidates strong experience developing implementing algorithms three dimensional graphics , visualization user interaction presently positions available experienced researchers recent graduates candidates especially strong backgrounds may considered positions visiting scientists ph student research positions european computer industry research centre located munich , germany english working language centre funded consortium major computer companies , mission pursue research fundamental areas computer science active areas research include visualization user interfaces , distributed computing , parallelism , deductive systems databases center employs 45 researchers 21 different nationalities small rapidly growing graphics group currently investigating new methods three dimensional human computer interaction integration computer vision computer graphics technology center extensive computing facilities includes sun workstations , apple macintoshes , well equipped graphics laboratory network access super computer facilities ecrc offers competitive salaries excellent benefits immediate consideration , send written application curriculum , telephone number , e mail address , references douglas greer , ecrc gmbh , 17 , 8000 munich 81 , germany
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject eyewitness account turkish family butchered reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 167 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes another thing find interesting turks whine armenians taking control land turkey still occupying n cyrus gall even open mouths karabakh , turkish troops completely independent island cyprus wonder mess following greek cypriot attempt annex island greece aid greek army , turkiye intervened using legal right given two international agreements turkiye frequently conveniently forgotten people island , turkish cypriots turkish cypriots whose grandparents living island since 1571 next people turkiye know quite well greece greek cypriots never abandon idea hellenizing cyprus remain eternally hopeful greece , someday , whatever cost parties involved history speaks greece sole perpetrator invasion island sent troops july 15 , 1974 attempt legitimate government makarios release nikos sampson , member eoka national organization cypriot fighters convicted terrorist , shows mentality continues survive greece one forget sampson dedicated life turks cyprus , committed murder achieve goal , tried destroy island 's independence annexing greece course , greek governments bear consequences irresponsible conduct museum barbarism 2 irfan bey street , kumsal area , nicosia , cyprus house dr nihat ilhan , major serving cyprus turkish army contingent attacks launched turks greeks , 20th december 1963 , dr nihat ilhan 's wife three children ruthlessly brutally killed bathroom , tried hide , savage greeks dr nihat ilhan happened duty night , 24th december 1963 pictures reflecting greek atrocities committed 1963 exhibited house converted museum eye witness account turkish family butchered greek terrorists date 24th december , 1963 onslaught greeks turks , started three days ago , going defenseless women , old men children brutally killed greeks kumsal area nicosia witnesses worst example greeks savage bloodshed wife three infant children dr nihat ilhan , major duty camp cyprus turkish army contingent , mercilessly dastardly shot dead hiding bathroom house , greeks broke home glaring example greek barbarism let us listen relating said incident told mr hasan yusuf , eye witness , wounded terrible event night 24th december , 1963 wife hasan paying visit family major dr nihat ilhan neighbours mrs ayshe mora , daughter mrs ayshe 's sister novber also us sitting supper sudden bullets river direction started riddle house , sounding like heavy rain thinking dining room sitting dangerous , ran bathroom toilet thought would safer altogether nine persons hid bathroom except wife took refuge toilet waited fear mrs ilhan wife major doctor , standing bath three children murat , hakan arms suddenly great noise heard front door open greeks come combing , every corner house machine gun bullets moments heard voices saying , greek , want eh ! bullets started flying bathroom mrs ilhan three children fell bath shot moment greeks , broke bathroom , emptied guns us heard one major 's children moan , came 2 3 hours later , saw mrs ilhan three children lying dead bath rest neighbours bathroom seriously wounded happened wife \? remembered immediately ran toilet , , doorway , saw body brutally murdered street sound shots heard voices crying help , help one save us \? became terrified thought greeks came found dead would kill ran bedroom hid double bed passed distance could still hear shots mouth dry , came bed drank water put sweets pocket went back bathroom , exactly left hour ago offered sweets mrs ayshe , daughter mrs novber wounded waited bathroom 5 o'clock morning thought morning would never come wounded needed taken hospital finally , could walk , mrs novber , went street hoping find help , walked far , met people took us hospital operated regained consciousness said wounded house went brought mrs ayshe daughter staying three days hospital sent plane ankara treatment four months treatment still cannot use arm return cyprus , greeks arrested airport related told greeks detention released foot devastated turkish quarter went tonight sealed turkish quarter nicosia 200 300 people slaughtered last five days first western reporters , saw terrible kumsal quarter 2 , irfan bey , made way house whose floors covered broken glass child 's bicycle lay corner bathroom , looking like group waxworks , three children piled top murdered mother room next body woman shot head , told , home turkish army major whose family killed mob first violence today five days later , still lay rene daniel , \( daily express \) saw bathroom bodies mother three infant children murdered father turkish officer max , le figaro 25 26 january , 1964 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization university toronto chemistry department lines 51 article 1993may12 walter bellcore com troy cc bellcore com \( c akgun \) writes article 1993may12 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes easy sen biden say us troops zepa existing un policy may wrong , us wants dictate policy , make europe responsible consequences policy bosnia big enough problem us preach countries forces forces safely tucked away home us look nobody asked countries un forces ground take forces well bosnia us un cannot impose blue berets country , us voted current policy mandate security council could said wanted veto clinton demanded removal un forces want cake eat wants dictate policy responsible policy wants dictate clinton asks blue berets leave , bill clinton becomes responsible happens sen biden friends want fight war 10 , 000 ft long blue berets clinton use europe american fully admit current un policy approved major powers including us may wrong inappropriate back seat drivers us like clinton biden bunch hypocrites looking gimmick look like something demanding action leadership european leaders smart enough know difference american hot air american leadership think senator biden said said issue europe sad place criticize human rights anywhere world like biden said , bigots comes cultural difference closer home well , biden outraged hell n't something resolution us senate declaration war commitment us forces troops biden full hot air gerald
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 18 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , finnegan nrlssc navy mil \( \) says article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes subarus use 180 degree vees engines \) eliot would n't make i4 \? would really 4 \( henceforth referred underscore 4 \) \? think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) drew
organization k u leuven academic computing center cc1 kuleuven ac subject powerbook sleep init request lines 9 someone asked existed init removes dialog 're gonna disconnect users something like , powerbook falls asleep said sure thing existed , thought freeware anyone help \? btw get switch , something kind , freeware \?
swf elsegundoca ncr com \( stan friesen \) subject sj mercury 's reference fundamentalist christian parents reply swf elsegundoca ncr com lines 49 article may 11 02 37 07 1993 athos rutgers edu , dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes monday , may 10 morning edition san jose mercury news article sandra gonzales top page 12a explained convicted killer david edwin mason 's troubled childhood saying , raised oakland san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parents , mason beaten child instances child abuse deleted san jose mercury news come article starting raised oakland mexican parents , mason beaten , face would red anger injustice done mexican family members mexican community whole open like practiced encouraged san jose mercury news pointed christian community \? perhaps connection mexican variant bring , many \( \) extreme fundamentalist christians use excuse teaching children biblical morality justify sort mistreatment see many mexicans using mexican heritage excuse abuse indeed judgemental , controlling legalism many fundamentalist christians led reject branch faith true gospel christ , gospel love seen sort thing often , even amoung relatives , believe relationship often leads overly strict , thus abusive , discipline children restricted christian fundamentalism , found many extreme sects legalistic religions good christian continue purchase newspapers buy advertising kind newspaper \? really bad journalism , , christian condone use bible justify sort abuse believe exposing horrors biblical concept discipline abuses stopped someone also christian mean must identify eith sort sin needs made public sarima teradata com \( formerly tdatirv ! sarima \) stanley friesen elsegundoca ncr com
subject zx 11 manolo \( manuel arrevola \) nntp posting host taf fundesco es x newsreader tin 1 1 10 lines 10 recommend zx 11 \( standard mufflers \) instead standard one \( idle 38 , main 155 \) cheers manuel arrevola velasco e mail manolo taf fundesco es fundesco zx 11 calle , 61 dr 600 madrid dod 1033 tel 341 n't waste time , express
rexlex fnnews fnal gov subject arsenokoitai 4 organization fnal lines 258 continuing part 4 \( think \) used permission , source nt meaning arsenokoitai , implications christian ethics ministry james b deyoung w petersen recently wright 's understanding questioned different direction brief 1986 study william petersen found linguistic confusion using english word homosexuals meaning arsenokoitai 22 faulted wright english bible rendering homosexuals cor 6 9 tim 1 10 sense petersen bailey , boswell , scroggs single assertion , effect , position bailey finds homosexuals unacceptable translation anachronistic major exists contemporary thought terminology thought paul 's time \( 187 88 \) \? bases historical linguistic facts accordingly , ancient greek roman society treated male sexuality characterized person sexually sexual acts virtually forms behavior , except , acceptable christianity simply added categories natural unnatural describing actions ancient society know nothing categories homosexuals heterosexuals , assumed , words dover quoted petersen , everyone responds different times homosexual heterosexual \( 188 \) 23 contrast , modern usage virtually limits term homosexual desire propensity k , 1869 coined german term equivalent homosexual , used referring orientation , preference nothing sexual acts \( 189 \) petersen proceeds cite supplement oxford english dictionary , defines homosexual propensity desire mention acts petersen 's point using homosexuals arsenokoitai , one reads modern concept back early history equivalent concept existed \( 189 \) consequently translation inaccurate includes celibate , incorrectly heterosexuals engage homosexual acts incorrectly includes female homosexuals \( 19 89 \) prior 1869 cognitive structure , either society antiquity , within modern humanity made sence \( 189 \) foregoing clarifies petersen feels homosexual mistaken yet possible petersen one mistaken , historical linguistic grounds \? next phases paper critically examine petersen 's position justification translating arsenokoitai homosexuals historical grounds refutation foregoing opposition traslation arsenokoitai homosexuals begins historical cultural evidence since virtually everyone acknowledges word appear paul 's usage , historical settings earlier available yet much writing reveals ancient understanding homosexuality prior contemporary paul goal discover ancient conceived homosexuality , particularly homosexual orientation , way similar present day concepts peterson , bailey , boswell , scroggs claim homosexual condition , desire , propensity , inversion whatever called cannot part definition term assert either term limited acts particular kind \( boswell , active male prostitutes scroggs , pederasty \) homosexual condition unknown ancient times \( bailey petersen \) following discussion show neither positions legitimate attention devoted latter postion first former one addressed linguistic grounds regard latter position , one may rightfully ask , homosexual condition exist 1869 \? modern phenomenon \? yet universal , alleged today , must existed always including ancient times , even though lack sophistication discussing indeed , evidence show ancients , pre christian christian , knew total spectrum sexual behavior , including forms sex activity \( included \) , also sex orientation condition petersen admits \( 190 n 10 \) plato symposium \( \) may sole possible exception ancient condition discounts , however , believing even acts appear deciding factor however , significant exception , hardly worthy called exception , following additional evidence homosexual condition symposium plato gives strongest evidence knowledge homosexual condition 24 plato third sex comprised female \( \( man woman \) hence original nature , consisted three kinds human beings zeus sliced human beings half , weaken would threat gods consequently person seeks half , either one opposite sex one sex plato quotes us , , tally man , since every one shows like traces sliced two ever searching tally fit men sections composite sex first called man woman woman adulterers mostly descended sex , whence likewise derived women women sections woman great fancy men rather women , stock men sections male pursue masculine , long boyhood lasts show sliced male making men lie men 's finest boys , manly nature say shameless creatures , falsely behavior due daring , , , since quick welcome like sure evidence fact reaching maturity alone prove public career men come man 's estate boy lovers , natural interest getting children things stress custom quite live together days man sort rate born lover boys willing mate man , eagerly greeting kind well , one whether boy lover lover sort happens particular half , two thrilled love , hardly induced leave 's side single moment continue together throughout life , though could even say would one another \( \) 25 two persons offered opportunity fused together long live , even hades , says would deem offered time \( \) several observations text order contemplated , male homosexuality \( \) natural interest \( ton noun \) , \( \) modern concepts propensity inclination words , born lover boys willing mate man \( te kai \) , \( \) reflect modern claims born , e , homosexual idea \( two thrilled love , \) present even speaks mutual love ingrained mankind early estate \( ho eros kai tes , \) concept \( continue together throughout life , \) also present mention , , gay pride , pederasty , homophobia , motive , desire , passion , nature love works recognizable clearly ancients thought love \( homosexual \) apart actions speakers symposium argue motive homosexuality crucial money , office , influence , etc bring reproach \( , \) mention need love soul body \( \) tow kinds love body \( \) desire passion \( \) speakers discuss principles matters love \( \) , desires love \( \) males nature \( \) noteworthy speech socrates much attention explaining desire related love objects \( 200a \) desire felt provided present something lack object desire love socrates clearly distinguishes sort love works love \( \) ancient philosopher could think acts well disposition nature significance pederasty 26 summary , virtually every element modern discussion love homosexuality anticipated symposium plato petersen error claims ancients could think homosexual acts , inclination orientation widespread evidence supports latter 27 biblical support homosexuality inclination contexts homosexual acts adds case ancient distinction rom 1 21 28 phrases reasoning , heart , becoming foolish , desires heart mind prove paul 's concern disposition inclination along working evil \( also see vv 29 32 \) even vices \( tim 1 8 10 \) concluded \( cor 6 9 11 \) words describing people , habits people within , also lord jesus taught \( cf matt 23 28 \) inner condition important outer act one gives rise \( cf mt 5 27 \) petersen regarding particulars apparently accepted ancients practiced among , syrian , people asia minor , well greeks , according r driver 28 jewish writers record condemning example , \( moral epistles 47 7 8 \) condemns homosexual exploitation forces adult slave dress , , behave woman philo also goes length describe homosexuals day dressing women \( special laws iii , 37 41 see also virtues , 20 21 , justifies prohibition cross dressing \) even ot forbade interchange clothing sexes \( deut 22 5 \) petersen also wrong christianity creating new labels natural unnatural sexual behavior begin paul \( rom 1 26 27 \) go far back ancient greece even non christian contemporaries used plato , test , philo , , plutarch , others used words related concepts 29 linguistic grounds footnotes 22 w l petersen , arsenokoitai translated \? \( cor 6 9 tim 1 10 \) vc 40 \( 1986 \) 187 91 23 k j dover , greek homosexuality \( cambridge , harvard univ , 1978 \) 1 n 1 24 conscious fact plato 's writings may reflect athenian society , speakers symposium may reflect plato 's view however , assumed , agrees dover \( homosexuality 12 \) evidence cited 25 translation w r lamb , plato \( cambridge harvard univ , 1967 \) 141 143 note reference homosexual condition derived birth genes , logically must also derived birth 26 elsewhere symposium told heavenly love love male young men \( \) must love boys young latter outlawed \( e \) love youths permanent \( \) , lifelong abiding \( \) homosexual love considered disgrace , attitude due rulers cowardice ruled \( early charge homophobia \? \) athens honorable love openly secret \( ancient expression coming closet \) present \( lover beloved alike feel zealous concern virtue , \) petersen label symposium possible exception position inadequate significant witness greek society hundreds years time christ 27 dover \( homosexuality 12 , 60 68 \) finds homosexual desire orientation plato 's works \( phaedrus \) elsewhere philo writes homosexual acts \( special laws 3 37 42 cf de 59 63 \) josephus says homosexuality become fixed habit \( 2 273 75 \) clement alexandria matt 19 12 writes men , birth , natural aversion woman indeed naturally well marry \( 3 1 \) addressed 141 's codex laws \( consumed disease need renouncing plague , well acts \) pseudo \( 48 \) achilles \( ii 38 \) speak finally 2 45 2 great glory fall standard nature set sex boswell \( christianity 81 87 \) cites \( , \) , \( martial \) , \( cicero \) , others describe permanent , mutual homosexual relationships , even marriages even could either gay married \( nero \) gay \( \) , boswell says scroggs \( homosexuality 28 , 32 34 \) admits inversion perversion must existed past discusses possible references adult mutual homosexual lesbian relationships , \( 130 44 \) 28 see specifics r driver critical exegetical commentary deuteronomy \( edinburgh 1895 \) 250 observes prohibition cross dressing deut 22 5 mere rule conventional propriety see also dover , homosexuality 73 76 , 144 29 plato last work , seeks show virtuous citizen , condemned pederasty marriage men nature \( para \) \( laws b c 838 e \) according test 3 4 5 sodomites changed order nature jewish writers , philo \( abraham 135 137 \) josephus \( ant 1 322 3 261 , 275 ag ap 2 199 2 273 , 275 \) label sexual deviation nature finally , , first century plutarch \( love e c \) spoke homosexuality nature christians clearly invent labels natural unnatural see j b de young , meaning romans 1 implications biblical homosexual behavior jets 31 4 \( dec 1988 \) 429 41
1341 compuserve com \( darla \) subject animated desktop organization utexas mail news gateway lines 46 nntp posting host cs utexas edu , upon getting animated desktop windows gift boyfriend , could n't wait install gotten advertisement put aside list 'i wants ' installing software , n't load part software would load even though install went seemingly well called problem asking twenty million different questions system concluded one systems software course 're willing give back waste time energy folks support line , although nice , extremely ignorant regarding workings windows 3 1 experience installation sb 16 , learned function windows dll files sending back desktop animator , decided fooling around different versions dll files 2 versions dll one dated 8 92 100k dated 1 93 smaller \( 1 93 smaller version one supplied desktop animator \) moved bigger , older version dll directory outside path \( reason , older dll windows directory newer windows system directory \) , animator 's editor loaded 2 applications package main application still n't load anyone ideas would occur suggestions trouble shooting \? darla portal darla shell portal com darla cup portal com aol aol com aol com darla genie l jj jj
oac hsc uth tmc edu \( chuck \) subject interesting dc x cost anecdote organization academic computing lines 22 distribution world nntp posting host hsc uth tmc edu article 1993may14 iti org , aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) wrote told interesting story dc x air force costing team looked dc x \( called dc x1 btw \) gave estimate much would cost air force build cost sdio 70m build would cost usaf 320 million four half times much 'd willing bet majority cost difference could accounted af 's requirement documentation , 5 6 huge requirements design reviews , travel expenses flying personnel around meetings , specifying hardware doubt actual fabrication cost materials labor would different sdio 's costs course , cynical opinion based years watching government procurement process try cover lack creativity innovation reams documentation \)
callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu \( james p callison \) subject 1994 mustang nntp posting host uokmax ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 57 article cybernet cse fau edu vlasis cybernet cse fau edu \( vlasis theodore \) writes put v 8 twin garret 4s yugo get 7 qm thats useless still yugo loose race track , street yugo go 1 7 7 seconds lose street 's damn quick might wrapped around telephone pole end quarter mile , alone detroit beings compared ultra long throw stick shifts 5 0 93 mr2 turbo 93 rx7 \( buy 6 mos \) \? could replace stock shifter hurst short throw shifter \( available ford \) , number market products boost performance mustang camaro '93 rx 7 , , verily , mr 2 \? detroit aftermarket , build mustang camaro superior either car mention less sticker price either differential rx7 compared differential 5 0 sounds every turn \? well , gee works , n't break transmits power drive wheels , 's essentially zero maintenance 's aftermarket parts ford chevy rear ends , way 5 0 camaro drums rear breaks hello , 90 's \? well , '93 mustang cobra \( , reports , uses running gear '94 mustang \) 4 wheel disks ca n't speak new camaro , think , also , stop think markets mustang , always , mass market sporty car \( 's pony car class came \) performance model 's box running gear also factored design mustang day lee conceived baby designed wide market car sporty , yet accessible room performance tweaking cars listed designed specific market niche , fit well mustang , least , well multiple markets ca n't speak camaro james james p callison microcomputer coordinator , u oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i'm engineer , play one work forecast calls thunder '89 bird sc 's hell thing , killing man take away 's ever gonna munny , unforgiven
garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) subject waco burning organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 43 article dscomsa desy de , hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes koresh responsible murderer goes rampage murderer responsible police may bear responsiblity failing stop primary responsibility murderer koresh go rampage \? saw unnecessary , unprovoked massive attack feb 28th probably even illegal action atf , certainly way proportion anything reasonable yet , according pole taken yesterday , 95 people believe government forces acted appropriately don`t believe reno president guilt ordering allowing attack suppose also believed things like would present 5 year plan balance budget don`t need lead tax increase starts middle class tax cut bills ready day 100 day period productive modern history ask congress line item veto lift social security earnings test personally prefer disbelieve government prove right , rather way around way better 50 chance right first guess ! read constitution sometime , supposed protect citizens rights sick abuse government power tom jefferson said government , , shall drawn washington centre power , render powerless checks provided one government another become venal oppressive government separated \( 1821 \)
victorf edison seas ucla edu \( victor friedman \) subject demonstration creation program wanted organization , university california , los angeles lines 20 article cs vu nl cs vu nl \( ml \) writes i'm looking program \( toolkit \) possible create demonstrations fast demonstration mean collection screens one looking demonstration able make choices \( pressing buttons \) change screens \( hypertext \? \? \) screen contain question \( text bitmap \) answers \( buttons \) possible play music show animations \( film \) 've heard animator pro visual basic , n't know autodesk animator good tool one like show partner fx want , could give copy lot advertising lets create graphics \( resolution \) text frames , run film , make choices include music guess 's need 're really interested , email victor friedman victorf seas ucla edu
mikec sail labs tek com \( micheal cranford \) subject evolution fact theory keywords evolution , fact , theory , gould organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 22 article ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes deleted fact evolution \? difference calling evolution fact talking theory evolution providing facts \( happen think latter accurate \) deleted evolution fact theory theory evolution represents scientific attempt explain fact evolution theory evolution provide facts explains facts safely assumed scientific theories neither provide become facts rather explain facts recommend appropriate reading general science good starting point regard evolution layman would evolution fact theory hen 's teeth horse 's toes pp 253 262 stephen jay gould great deal useful information publication uucp uunet ! tektronix ! sail ! mikec cranford uunet ! tektronix ! sail labs tek com ! mikec principal troll arpa mikec sail labs tek com relay cs net resident skeptic mikec sail labs tek com , tektronix
\( pedro antonio \) subject xfig open look problem nntp posting host organization x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 26 i'm solaris 2 1 user classic workstation compiled xfig 2 1 7 version flag use openwindows , run , program runs runs runs \( 15 minutes \) never ready work labels completed ca n't push button problem run openwindows x solution \? thanks advance excuse english pedro antonio e mail es x 400 adress c es admd prmd iris ou relay dd rfc 822 \( \) es
subject math \? \? \( us govt technolgy investment kubo zariski harvard edu \( tal kubo \) organization dept math , harvard univ keywords science \? nntp posting host zariski harvard edu lines 14 greg mccolm suggested math good example inertia \( silver age \) current science math really science \? new math told us recently \? please dont flame ive taken math since 11th grade completed bc calc early go hell really new stuff going \? \? \( im flaming , honestly \) nope 're living inheritance forefathers , reading dusty old books , exchanging among small circle devotees
lee hobbes cs umass edu \( peter lee \) subject quicktime performance \( rumours 3do \? \? \? \) 1993apr16 212441 34125 rchland ibm com 1993apr26 waikato ac nz reply lee cs umass edu organization software development lab , umass , amherst lines 108 reply ldo waikato ac nz 's message 26 apr 93 05 09 15 gmt article 1993apr26 waikato ac nz ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) writes path dime ! cs umass edu ! nic umass edu ! noc near net ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! elroy jpl nasa gov ! decwrl ! waikato ac nz ! ldo ldo waikato ac nz \( lawrence d'oliveiro , waikato university \) newsgroups comp multimedia , comp graphics date 26 apr 93 05 09 15 gmt references 1993mar31 aragorn unibe ch 1993apr16 212441 34125 rchland ibm com organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 67 xref dime comp multimedia comp graphics ok , discussion observed playback speeds quicktime , effects scaling , thought 'd tests first , felt original speed test perhaps less realistic movie using 18 frames \( version first movie created compact video compressor \) decided something little longer would give closer real world results \( better worse \) pulled copy 2001 space odyssey recorded tv back fifteen minutes movie , 's sequence earth shuttle approaching space station specifically , digitized portion 30 seconds' duration , zooming rotating space station figured would give reasonable amount movement frames increase differences frames , digitized 5 frames per second , give total 171 frames captured raw footage resolution 384 288 pixels spigot card centris 650 \( quarter size resolution pal source \) imported premiere put compact video compressor , keeping 5 fps frame rate created two versions movie one scaled 320 240 resolution , 160 120 resolution used default 2 00 quality setting premiere 2 0 1 , specified key frame every ten frames ran 320 240 movie raw speed test program used results 'd reporting earlier result playback rate 45 frames per second 's right , getting much higher result first short test movie fun , copied 320 240 movie external hard disk \( quantum \) , ran time playback rate 35 frames per second obviously internal hard disk \( also quantum \) significant contributor speed playback modified speed test program allow specification optional scaling factors , tried playing back 160 120 movie scaled 320 240 size time playback speed 60 fps clearly , poster observed poor performance scaled playback seeing quicktime 1 0 action , 1 5 'd try tests quicktime 1 0 , n't think 's entirely compatible centris system 7 1 , playback rate 160 120 movie 100 fps thing tried saving versions 320 240 movie preferred playback rates greater 1 0 , seeing well played within \( ie quicktime 's normal synchronized playback \) preferred rate 9 0 \( 45 fps \) n't work well playback jerky compare raw speed test , achieved 45 fps ease ca n't believe quicktime 's synchronization code would add much overhead think slowdown coming mac system 's task switching preferred rate 7 0 \( 35 fps \) seemed work fine could n't see evidence stutter 8 0 \( 40 fps \) think could see slight stutter , four key frames every second , hard tell guess could try recreating movies longer interval key frames , make stutter noticeable course , also improve compression slightly , speed playback performance even lawrence d'oliveiro fone 64 7 856 2889 computer services dept fax 64 7 838 4066 university waikato electric mail ldo waikato ac nz hamilton , new zealand 37 47' 26 , 175 19' 7 e , gmt 12 00 i'm afraid missed start thread , three factors significantly affect quicktime 's playback speed may want take account \( 1 \) playback bit depth \( things fastest play movie back bit depth compressed , usually 8 16 bit , depths \( course \) possible \) \( 2 \) type scaling \( qt optimized double size scaling , scaling factors hit much harder \) \( 3 \) playback window position \( limits window placement choices pixel boundaries default , i'm sure premiere \) combination radically alter playback performance image size , course , another giving movie player lots ram also make real difference forgive mentioned earlier thread peter lee peter e lee , software conductor international , inc lee cs umass edu \( 413 \) 256 \( h \) \( 413 \) 549 \( w \) beauty 24 bits deep , plus eight bits alpha channel
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject xs 850 never needs valve adjustments \? organization university east anglia lines 19 rose hp com \( steve \) writes bought yamaha 8k miles last 2 years , 've put 30k commute miles valve adjustment intervals suppossed every 5k well every 7 5k , 've checked pad , never change ! anything , clearances seem getting little smaller makes sense pad system pads wear clearances great right \? know threaded adjusters tighten , n't think kind could bottom lines n't touched valves 30k bike still nice quiet anything , clearances tighter 's deal \? yam triple owners notice extremely long valve adjustment intervals \? yeah , valve seats tend wear slowly , anything might get taken pad \( n't really wear \) tend compensate 's sort self system
cad gmeds com \( dominic \) subject prevent ctl alt del windows organization eds cadillac lines 24 nntp posting host cad gmeds com article hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu \( glynn , mike \) writes would like prevent windows users using ctl alt del within windows know must way could anyone point right direction \? thanks advance , mike glynn sure want \? win app locks reason , ctrl alt del may way kill app get back windows granted n't work often come handy occasion consider pretty carefully disabled keystroke thought 'd like talk hours go ahead spin doctors dominic electronic data systems \( eds \) email cad gmeds com note views opinions expressed herein mine , reflect eds
drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization university virginia lines 21 article mit edu mit edu \( ed \) writes article 1993apr20 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com \( david madden \) writes 2 pitcher throws occupied base x time \( x 3 5 \) without successfully picking runner , runner advances base walked last suggestion probably increase number stolen bases considerably suppose pitcher uses \( n 1 \) n pick attempts runner probably stretch lead base , given extra pressure pitcher get right time encouraged runner stretch lead , would probably also result greater number think would workable rule , would probably best experiment another league trying bigs clay
gloster inference com \( vance gloster \) subject compositing pictures pc \? organization inference corporation lines 28 nntp posting host fourier inference com reply chu torreypinesca ncr com 's message sat , 15 may 93 00 16 31 gmt article 1993may15 torreypinesca ncr com chu torreypinesca ncr com \( patrick chu \) writes wondering anyone knows graphics package pc compositing series pictures \? mean compositing , say live video clip \( digitized \) panning around living room , computer generated bird flying around screen want combine two series pictures everywhere bird frames black , want living room picture show yes , realize genlock , genlock , want able manual compositing also 's ok composite one frame time assumed 'd anyway able composite series frames would even better 've looked around n't found pc package perform help , please ! get live animation computer generated animation autodesk animator fli flc format , autodesk animator take one animation , make certain color clear , overlay another animation way right convert avi mpg files animator files animator also import series gif files create animation , video capture stuff create might work vance gloster gloster inference com
yuanchie aludra usc edu \( roger hsu \) subject hp laserjet iii sale organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 7 distribution usa nntp posting host aludra usc edu hi , hp laserjet iii sale 's printed less 1500 pages according self test report asking 1000 interested , please e mail thanks !
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton fact sheet russian statement 4 23 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 167 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 23 , 1993 background information advancing u relations russia new independent states april 23 , 1993 vancouver summit , president clinton president yeltsin agreed pursue number measures designed implement economic strategic partnership u russia since , president clinton directed number steps taken move process forward administration announcing number steps today order underscore deep commitment new closer partnership russia based government 's commitment reform executive review cold war laws president clinton president yeltsin discussed reviewing updating u laws regulations reflect end cold war congress already acted revise many laws reflect fact communist soviet union replaced democratic russia independent states however , many laws regulations remain contain language restrictions fail reflect end cold war unnecessarily undermine relations russia new independent states president today ordered executive review laws regulations , appropriate consistent u security national interests , provisions revised removed asked ambassador large strobe coordinate review basis president indicated welcome congressional efforts help review proceed quickly possible review weigh considerations pertain revision provisions , initiation review may help remedy circumstances justified provisions past example , russians eager status changed jackson vanik legislation , president yeltsin personally assured president clinton vancouver would look individual cases involving continuing restrictions russia addressing issues , review help strengthen bonds trust partnership u russia , u new independent states review cocom also time consider america 's allies future another cold war institution coordinating committee multilateral export controls \( cocom \) united states begun thorough review export controls post cold war world , russia longer viewed potential adversary , potential ally proliferation sensitive technology steps improve security relationship president also taken steps move ahead range efforts discussed vancouver strengthen u security improve security relationship russians states accelerated nuclear weapons vancouver , two presidents discussed accelerating process nuclear strategic systems scheduled elimination start treaty president clinton directed department defense complete process well advance seven year reduction period outlined start addition , united states , together russia relevant states former soviet union , exploring programs nunn lugar help accelerate process multilateral test ban two presidents agreed vancouver negotiations multilateral nuclear test ban commence early date , two governments would consult accordingly united states looks forward beginning consultations russia , allies , states , specific issues related negotiation united states expects start process within next two months two presidents also began dialogue issue nuclear targeting vancouver united states russia move new relationship strategic partnership , need many assumptions means employed past safeguard u security nuclear adversary administration beginning comprehensive review measures could enhance strategic stability , including recent proposals nuclear missiles measures create new security relationship response incident involving collision us russian submarines last month , secretary aspin ready discuss ways avoid incidents future russian defense minister visit united states late may secretary aspin also prepared move forward defense minister may develop combined training program two military forces prepare joint exercises peacekeeping , authorized un security council united states looks forward training exercises include peacekeeping contributors , order improve inter , readiness , planning multilateral peacekeeping operations us russia working together may meeting un security council discuss proposals enhancing un 's peacekeeping capability move consideration secretary general 's agenda peace discussion implementation phase u also working russians focus specifically improvements financing management un operations purpose initiatives cooperate peacekeeping participation un csce sponsored actions multilateral bilateral partnership reform finally , administration continues move ahead range initiatives aimed striking partnership economic political reformers throughout russia states administration continuing work g 7 partners assemble package multilateral assistance secretaries bentsen christopher recently negotiated tokyo administration continuing consultation congress efforts u take assist process reform russia states administration believes steps increase american security improving relationship u russia , u new independent states 30
pb idca tds philips nl \( peter \) subject mysterious xdm files reply pb idca tds philips nl \( peter \) organization digital equipment enterprise b v , apeldoorn , netherlands lines 25 x disclaimer views unless stated otherwise 1993may18 csi jpl nasa gov csi jpl nasa gov \( matt \) writes i'm getting lots files usr lib x11 xdm form 0 i'm running xdm anybody know , better yet , move \( e , resource change make appear somewhere else \) \? authorisation files server depending type key x supports contain magic cookies , des based authentication sun des authentication place defined displaymanager things like file name changed well see xdm manual pages peter , digital equipment enterprise , net pb idca tds philips nl integration industry standard systems , phone ext 31 0 55 , dept systems , v1 b7 fax ext 31 0 55 p box 245 , apeldoorn , netherlands
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject radio stations organization hms lines 15 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu add boston 's flagship station probably wo n't pick anywhere outside boston since 's 5 , 000 watt station bruins also network stations 6 new england states could last year also happens sports radio station problem bruins happy moved different station \( \) whenever night conflict nba 's boston celtics happened 28 times course regular season \( celtics financially troubled \) bruins might 850 next year stay tuned ppv mark
stephens geod emr ca \( dave stephenson \) subject vandalizing sky nntp posting host ngis geod emr ca organization dept energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 15 mancus sweetpea jsc nasa gov \( keith mancus \) writes jeff cook ftcollinsco ncr com \( jeff cook \) writes people primitive tribes middle nowhere look sort happened real back 1920 's travellers sudan would find strange cigar shaped designs native huts asked locals would say picture great omen appeared sky lz 53 flying bulgaria german east africa supplies 1917 \( back since fooled british secret service \) dave stephenson geological survey canada ottawa , ontario , canada internet stephens geod emr ca
lise unit \( \) subject tangent vectors splines organization university trondheim lines 33 i'm working system uses given set 3d key frame positions \( x , , z \) control imaginary camera movement i'm using splines \( described siggraph '84 proceedings \) create variable number key frames want given form \( x , , z , dx , dy , dz \) last three x , z component viewing direction vector camera positioned \( x , , z \) method presented deals positions inbetween view points generated 've tried set viewing direction view point equal chord two adjacent view points \( general key frames \) , causes viewing direction vector key frame positions \( although spatial movement seems work fine i'm quite certain think \) 've simply made implementation error \) wonder anyone used spline form similar purposes decided viewing vectors 'd appreciate replies emailed lise unit anyone else interested answer sent summary replies contact n g e r k e lise unit comp sc nth \( norwegian institute technology \) people play hard get , play hard want \( ford \)
ere umontreal ca \( guy \) subject isa graphic card info source organization universite de montreal lines 38 hi , might look like dull request , following newgroup couple weeks n't help make mind bought new 486 machine long ago disconnected pc world \( running xt 5mhz till last january ! ! \) machine bought came equipped ati vga xl 24 graphic card gives nice picture windows drivers pretty stable problem quite slow would like go faster card \( 400 range \) saw lot comments many products last weeks , n't get overall picture clear enough make choice question could somebody direct source information would help quest would like get information refresh rates various cards provide quality windows drivers standard vga performance \( non windows stuff \) direct magazine article something like \( got zip info , enough \) isa card really satisfied , let know information use , system configuration 486 33mhz isa system \( motherboard \) monitor darius 14 non interlaced multisync \( 1024x768 \) \( reach horizontally \) would also like know standard video drivers allow screen screen positioning writing eprom graphic card case ati card convenient changing graphics mode since monitor intelligent enough record settings information would kind enough provide , guy ere umontreal ca
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nigel allen nigel allen canrem com subject hhs secretary shalala address aft 's school related personnel conference reply nigel allen nigel allen canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution talk lines 42 press release american federation teachers hhs secretary shalala address aft 's school related personnel conference national assignment , education writer contact jamie american federation teachers , 202 879 news advisory secretary health human services donna shalala speak 16th annual aft school related personnel conference 8 p , friday , april 23 , washington hilton shalala discuss hhs 's agenda helping children next four years aft 's school related personnel division includes school workers teacher aides , school bus drivers , school secretaries , school maintenance workers school food service workers thousand school employees attend conference held washington hilton , april 23 25 school workers attending conference come urban school districts child health nutrition , welfare reform availability head start programs major issues workshops scheduled conference include sessions addressing issues around chapter 1 school related personnel , especially minority men , serve student role models increasing problem school violence dealing abused children assisting children serious health problems complete conference schedule , contact jamie 202 879 american federation teachers represents 805 , 000 elementary secondary teachers , school related personnel , higher education faculty , nurses , state municipal workers 30 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
bobm ingres com \( bob \) subject earwax lines 34 amdahl uts amdahl com , dated 29 apr 93 15 43 10 gmt , lmtra uts amdahl com \( leon traister \) writes stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes healthiest way deal earwax \? one leave ear mess , clean every often \? cleaning damage \? tubes ear might get blocked \? assuming wax causing hearing loss , congestion popping ears , try cautious water bulb syringe , awkward oneself may work may even make things worse \( wife would disagree , successfully every six months \) case attempt anything q tips ! ! ! 'll agree wife student , doctors remove rather surprising amounts wax ears flushing couple times , usually examining ears reason , said something like gee , 've got lot wax case , removal large wax noticeably improve hearing , 've since gotten habit wife flushing warm water little rubber bulb every months buy little bulbs together ear drops express purpose drug store n't notice drops accomplish much anything one question doctor flushed ears also advocated drop rubbing alcohol afterwards flush remaining trapped water said told swimming , works , stings like devil , 've always content let water ears swimming flushing figure get shaking head times wo n't trick comments \?
subject mvp '92 revisited grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) blue cis pitt edu 1993apr22 island com blue cis pitt edu gap caltech edu organization etc organization nntp posting host germain harvard edu reply shippert cco caltech edu 's message 22 apr 1993 16 34 44 gmt lines 46 article gap caltech edu , tim shippert writes ideally , strongest offensive players , schmoe play dh hit would take care position corrected frank 's since case \( \? always way \? \) going trouble finding true value using models position players several reasons difference main reason good hitters prime \( frank thomas danny tartabull \) rarely regular dh 's , even ca n't field 's commonly place put aging veterans another use dh slot help player come back injury slowly , getting bat lineup without forcing play field would expect players hit worse dh 's rest season third factor player split time dh first outfield n't hit well dh 's reason reggie jackson good example five years rf dh angels , hit like old reggie right second third factors lost players considered primary position player plays 90 games right 60 dh count right averages logical starting place would look defensive replacement value \( find \) 1b lf something assume forced play defense would play true zero value , even though doubt actually true players like winfield molitor would let us discount time spend playing dh , forces team find another real fielder play makes sense might also look another way although average offensive performance dh may lower left fielder , replacement level offensive performance certainly lower left fielder ca n't hit well enough keep job anywhere , certainly ca n't hit well enough keep job dh david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks
gord jericho uucp \( gord wait mos systems vancouver design center \) subject life mars organization mos systems , inc \( vancouver design center \) lines 16 potentially dumb question prevents martian landers polluting martian environment earth based critters \? long trip cold radiation space enough completely landers \? could imagine teeny could manage get way unharmed , possibly thrive given right circumstances gord wait systems vancouver design centre uunet ! jericho ! gord gord jericho uunet uu net even days
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject please post bitmaps ! organization george washington university lines 13 though downloaded posted bitmaps , original poster quite right alternative , try posting comp binaries ms windows , letting us know good idea post article number peace , pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
mach1 wlu ca \( friedman ishay \) subject final solution gaza \? organization wilfrid laurier university lines 29 article igc apc org center policy research cpr igc apc org writes basically three alternatives gaza 1 throw jews sea basically make leave middle east go back came \( russia , europe , usa , etc \) 2 throw gazans sea , accordance yitzhak rabin 's wish many zionists rabin pm ever indicate wish \? try implement \? 3 israelis palestinians come honorable fair \( n't attempt say \) settlement , would allow person live dignity country freedom equality opt third alternative folks \? elias opt third ish
aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) subject fraud elias davidsson organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 263 nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu elias davidsson writes ed following quotations zionist leaders appear ed numerous scholarly works dealing palestine question urge ed access original sources , verify authenticity ed source post finding , adhering truth whatever responsibility posting quotes context phony 'research center' source , context , agenda ridden , propaganda ever seen n't believe , folks \? let 's take little stroll elias davidsson 's contributions understanding middle east ed quotations zionist leaders ed 1 thing palestinians ed \( golda meir , prime minister israel , london sunday ed times , 15 june 1969 \) suggest meant \? think meant palestinians n't exist \? actually mean people self identify , ' appear distinct ethnic group eyes golda meir \? ed 2 , however , difficulty zionist ed dares avert eyes , though rarely likes face ed palestine proper already inhabitants ed \( israel , voice jerusalem , london 1920 , ed p 88 \) written , seventy three years ago , people region jews jews jew rabid bigot ever called israel jews true true ed palestinians beasts walking two legs ed \( menachem begin , prime minister israel speech ed knesset , ed quoted , beasts , new ed statesman , 25 june 1982 \) since inserted words 'the palestinians cannot know begin talking someone wants importance absurd pseudo organizational name like 'center policy research , ' honest person ed process palestinians ed removal poor must carried ed ed \( dr theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , ed 1960 , , p 88 \) herzl died eighty nine years ago suggesting stated israel 's policy today \? ever seen israel even entertain policy exclude non jews , let alone actually try remove non jews israel \? actually believe quote anything israel 's non jewish citizenry today , idiot realize israel intention removing non jewish israelis , nothing common liar one time give benefit doubt , assume stupid ed shall try spirit population ed palestinians across border procuring employment ed transit countries , denying ed employment country ed \( theodor herzl , complete diaries , herzl press , 1960 , ed , p 88 \) quote man gone almost century within context modern day israel thomas jefferson owned slaves fact define united states today \? ed jews must expel arabs take place ed \( david ben gurion , 1937 , quoted , ben ed gurion palestine arabs , oxford university press , ed 1985 , p 89 \) say , ' add \? also statement ten years israel became state bearing israel ed must everything ensure ed palestinian refugees never return ed \( david ben gurion , diary , 19 july 1948 , quoted ed michael bar , ben gurion armed prophet , ed prentice hall , 1967 , p 157 \) added words 'the palestinian refugees ' , misleading people believing ben gurion , expressing hope people fled lands , encouragement people king abdullah , mufti jerusalem , people abandoning homes refering arabs jews war ed country mostly empty desert , ed islands arab settlement ed \( peres , minister defense , quoted david 's ed sling arming israel , nicholson , ed 1970 , p 249 \) time rebirth israel certainly true , especially compared israel accomplished short decades ed story danger extermination ed jews blown justify annexation ed new arab territories ed \( mordechai , israeli cabinet minister , al ed hamishmar , 14 april 1972 \) since israel annexed even one millimeter territory twenty six years , quote irrelevant ed neither jewish ethics jewish tradition ed terrorism means combat ed \( yitzhak shamir , , summer 1943 journal ed lehi , stern gang , translated israeli daily ed al hamishmar , 24 december 1987 , quoting man fighting promised time ancient biblical , time declaration , short years back thought described terrorism jews n't include slaughtering olympic athletes , brutally murdering innocent , attacking school buses , murdering another human sole reason arab ed domination jewish agriculture arab ed workers cancer body ed \( , israeli minister agriculture , ha'aretz , 13 ed december 1974 \) serious concerns work force consisted people outside israel wise concerned work force consisting foreigners good situation country ed one national home palestine , ed jewish one , equality partnership ed jews arabs ed \( david eder , president zionist ed federation great britain , 1931 , ed , comp , palestine papers 1917 1922 , ed seeds conflict , george , 1973 , p 135 \) also meaning country formed years statement made obviously times change israel today believe peace talks make quote irrelevant ed single jewish village country ed built site arab village ed \( moshe dayan , ha'aretz , 4 april 1969 \) completely false ed people talk expelling 700 , 000 800 , 000 ed arabs event new war , instruments ed prepared ed \( , former chief israeli military ed intelligence , 1980 , inquiry , 8 december 1980 \) expelled \? israel \? occupied territories \? new jersey \? way read get idea earth talking obviously ed palestine form portion ed europe asia , outpost civilization ed opposed barbarism ed \( dr theodor herzl , jewish state , london , 1896 , p ed 29 \) interesting notion considering written nearly century ago , quite visionary ed deeply believe launching preventive war ed arab states without hesitation ed achieve two targets firstly , ed annihilation arab power secondly , expansion ed territory ed \( menachem begin , speech knesset , 12 october ed 1955 \) said nearly forty years ago begin dead obvious anybody israel expansionist , would annexed occupied territories right captured israel would negotiating get rid ed last 100 years people ed process building country nation , ed expansion , getting additional jews additional ed settlements order expand borders let ed jew say process ended let jew say ed near end road ed \( moshe dayan , ma'ariv , 7 july 1968 \) 's dead , since israel annexed land since 1967 , wasting bandwidth misleading quotes sync reality israel , nothing make look like fanatic desperate sway people , misleading ed let us today fling accusations palestinian ed arab murderers argue ed hatred \? eight years sit ed refugee camps gaza , eyes , ed turn land villages ed forefathers lived ed generation settlers , without steel helmet ed cannon cannot plant tree build home let ed us shrink back see hatred ed filling lives hundreds thousands arabs , ed sit around us let us avert gaze , ed hand shall slip fate generation , ed choice life prepared armed , strong ed tough otherwise , sword slip ed first , life snuffed ed \( moshe dayan , roy kibbutz ed oz , 1956 , quoted uri , israel without zionists , collier books , macmillan , new york , 1971 , p 154 \) interesting quote 's true never lose sight plight people also recognize quote preceded disgusting wave arab terrorism violence directed innocent people , began 1972 massacre israeli athletes munich , continues day ability obscure equal desire , group would problem easily recognized fanatic , whose stream misleading , partial , context quotes totally burden truth
pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu \( pablo iglesias \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) organization johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 22 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu article mit edu mit edu \( ed \) writes article 1993apr20 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com \( david madden \) writes another pair suggestions 1 remove balk rule runners responsibility stay safe matter pitcher quite honestly , one ridiculous consider following scenario runner third pitcher starts throw home , runner takes home batter squares around bunt suicide squeeze pitcher , seeing , throw home , stops mid action puts runner run balk rule prevents happening believe , actually happened oba \( ontario baseball association \) game milton , ontario batter amazement , umpire missed 12 years played ball , worst piece umpiring ever saw pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu
kent dalton ftcollinsco ncr com \( kent dalton \) subject pov ray related group needed darkstar ucsc edu cs vu nl organization ncr microelectronics , ft collins , co lines 36 reply wlieftin cs vu nl 's message 17 may 93 09 42 18 gmt 17 may 93 09 42 18 gmt , wlieftin cs vu nl \( liefting w \) said liefting hed cats ucsc edu \( magic fingers \) writes article 1993may13 exucom com cyberman exucom com \( stephen r phillips \) writes takes making alt group , \? 've following thread , , two months \? liefting alt created 2 purposes 1 liefting groups fit comp 'official' liefting hierarchies 2 fast creation hot new newsgroups liefting like alt gulf war liefting voting process control liefting facilities , sites free decide carry \( \) liefting alt groups liefting therefore , \( think \) desirable try create liefting comp graphics raytrace , rendering whatever liefting alt group plus , many sites , \( especially many com sites \) carry alt newsgroups \( n't example \) comp group get much broader distribution would useful many people plus topic important popular enough warrant group , imho kent dalton email kent dalton ftcollinsco ncr com ncr microelectronics phone \( 303 \) 223 5100 x 319 2001 ct fax \( 303 \) 226 fort collins , colorado 80525 someone peoria shorter attention span \?
janice cc wwu edu \( douglas norris \( mad \) \) subject bosio hits red article janice organization western washington university lines 28 edu writes chris bosio , seattle 's pitcher , hit red sox 7 0 ! ! ! second hitter seattle history ! ! \( randy johnson got first \) also , bosio 's first career hitter ! mlb first hitter year ! go 's trivia time ! ! ! ok , know dave batting average valle caught chris bosio 's hitter last night \( batting 300 , btw \) question caught randy johnson 's hitter june 1990 \( hint dave valle \) \) mad douglas todd norris \( henson cc wwu edu \) depeche mode , u2 , might giants , inxs , , ha , police exercise basic rights , could build building site bricks shame built hope depeche mode , want van canucks sea sea mariners sea 2 0 \( 1st rnd \) 53 26 \( 2nd \) 6 8 \( 5th \) 2 14 \( 5th \) congratulations chris bosio \( mariners \) hitter boston !
ccohen pitt edu \( caleb n cohen \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) lines 21 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 pablo iglesias \( pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu \) wrote wondered pitcher given 8 pitches enters game let 's serious relief pitcher normally throwing bullpen minutes really need 8 pitches \? relief pitcher n't get 8 pitches , would n't enough time 1 \) play hit road jack 2 \) iron city relief pitcher commercial 3 \) announcers detail us exactly drove previous one game 4 \) detailed biography , personal statistical , new guy throwing 8 pitches 5 \) get really cool super slo mo pictures diamond vision put said pitchers name stats ! caleb
smorris sumax seattleu edu \( steven morris \) subject lexus infiniti organization addiction studies program , seattle university lines 20 nntp posting host sumax seattleu edu article andrew cmu edu joseph mazz andrew cmu edu writes btw , saw new q45 tv weekend big changes grille added \( looks nice , ! \) , wood interior otherwise , looked largely unchanged changed lights slope hood , along new grille otherwise , unchanged interestingly , lack wood lack grille big design statement tried defy conventional wisdom carve niche unfortunately , sales half lexus hence , join pack still wonder much problem n't slow start initial ad campaign personally , like q without grille steve morris , internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver , uunet ! ! ! sumax ! smorris seattle university phone \( 206 \) 296 \( dept \) 296 \( direct \) seattle , wa
schuster panix com \( michael schuster \) subject radio electronics free information card organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 14 article i5 acsu buffalo edu v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) writes radio electronics free information cards work send general information companies advertise magazine also give sign catalog varies may get catalog price list advertiser , ad specific product sheet product line mike schuster schuster panix com compuserve com schuster shell portal com genie
mprc troi cc rochester edu \( price \) subject part n't understand \? organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 36 nntp posting host troi cc rochester edu panix com mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) writes certainly see opposing amen n't require opposing moment silence people proposing moment silence sham sneak prayers , must opposed hell prayers public schooling \? ask question devout christian uh oh , michael typed hell capitalized boot ! peter nyikos explain 're real christian ! 'll back anybody else besides see vicious circle \? guarantee people want school prayer n't going back ca n't even manage get quiet moment kids pray silently kids bloody well pray god damned time want nothing , heaven earth , government principal 's office , prevent way deal especially prayer silent \( bursting yisrael prayer might construed disruptive audible \) \) one ever prevented praying public school ! hardly even prevented study hall bzzt ! sorry michael nyikos inquisition pointed hell bound one mildly pun revealing oneself admitting masturbation well , i'm shocked ! mp
bferrell cicada occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host cicada occ uc edu organization university cincinnati lines 11 article igc feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) writes still impact ito 's ibm , 's left employee base ! suspect 'll see 2 1 1st quarter 94 boy going look silly couple weeks brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u cincy catch cats college engineering
fc hp com \( john schmidt \) subject quantum hard disk phantom seeks nntp posting host fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 2 lines 3 normal behavior drives \( many models \) drive recalibration adjusting temperature changes leave machine frequency goes way
ellis uchicago edu \( samuel \) subject centris 610 flaky \? reply midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 12 article c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes , net think \? dealer get one flaky machine , apple send c610 door early \? c610 working great , buggy \? 610 working like charm fact , 610 's flaky , would consider great computer even return couple apple get good one samuel christian midway uchicago edu bio computing labs whitman 108 915 e 57th st chicago , il 60637
kbw helios ath epa gov \( kevin b weinrich \) subject tcpview n't read xkeysymdb file \? organization computer sciences corp lines 25 distribution world nntp posting host helios ath epa gov tcpview sun users \? pulled pre compiled executables made sun tcpview , i'm getting whole slew following types error messages try start warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym name osfactivate warning found parsing ' key osfactivate \( \) ' warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym name osfcancel warning found parsing ' key osfcancel \( \) ' warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym name osfselect warning found parsing ' key osfselect \( \) ' know keysym osfactivate osfcancel osfselect openwinhome lib xkeysymdb yields osfactivate osfselect osfcancel , take osf lines said xkeysymdb , copy wscrawl \( another motif compiled sun program \) gives type complaints listed tips \? i'm mystified kevin weinrich computer sciences corp kbw helios ath epa gov
hathaway stsci edu subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days lines 31 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 64i access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes article rpi edu strider clotho acm rpi edu \( greg moore \) writes pointed , develop thruster also , much lighter , still lift mass thruster orbit , thruster lifts weight higher orbit take room payload bay yes , improvement boost orbit hst significant , understand saying improved , significant , carrying equipment servicing mission \? also , implied posters , need boost orbit mission anyway \? maybe something , could please clarify us net \? means carry edo packs enough consumables shuttle mission go long enough also fix array tilt motors , god knows else going wear 've heard , motors fine one two sets electronics control motors needs fix motors electronics separate pieces hardware expect corrected i'm wrong hst next 9 months pat
ltd uhura cc rochester edu \( bernard c \) subject stb powergraph users know ! \? summary powergraph keywords powergraph nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 17 help ! trying view jpg files 386sx , 20mhz machine stb powergraph graphics card 1024 x 768 256 colors , 1meg ram tried \( windows extremely slow \) , n't work ! even pick lot modes supported powergraph \( says manual \) , n't work try view picture buzzes anyone help give suggestions \? would really appreciate ! thanks !
wfu edu \( jeffrey \) subject disks copy protected organization wake forest university lines 9 nntp posting host ac wfunet wfu edu interesting thread follow obviously group n't intended forum discussion piracy anyone seen estimates lost revenue due pirates \? wondering piracy rampant home corporate computing environments would tend think business environment piracy major contributor form lost revenue many companies purchase copies software package employees internally distribute owned site license ! guys think \?
pv9955 albnyvms bitnet subject buying used car reply pv9955 albnyvms bitnet organization university albany , suny lines 14 questions tax used car purchase live new york state , going buy used car know pay tax go register car would like know tax book value car , purchase price also , tax rate used \? owner lives albany \( 8 tax \) , living saratoga 7 tax pay albany tax saratoga tax \? \( difference whole 50 \) one thing , much cost usual 2 year registration \? leave anything \? else might know purchase register used car \? \( 've never done \) thank , peter
cbnewsd cb att com \( john n le \) subject sony 8mm camcorder sale organization bell labs , naperville , il usa distribution usa keywords sony 8mm camcorder lines 25 sale sony 8mm camcorder model pro v9 top line years ago autofocus macro capability 6x zoom 5 lux rating 360 , 000 pixel ccd chip , best made 8mm camcorder av input output jacks \( cables included \) rf convertor switcher tv without av input ac adaptor charger 1 5a battery neck trap user 's manual , original box , , etc mint condition list price model 1600 , paid 1330 mail order years ago sacrifice 500 best offer reason sale upgrade hi8 model john n le \( 708 \) 713 bell labs , naperville , il usa email uucp ! att ! ihlpe ! internet ihlpe att com
mt olympus \( zeus son \) subject 17 monitors nntp posting host wam umd edu organization workstations maryland , university maryland , college park lines 77 article gazette bcm tmc edu tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu \( dan ts'o \) writes article cs mcgill ca gerardis cs mcgill ca \( gif emporium \) writes nec 5fg \( also available nec 5fge difference , accucolor \) experiences opinions people used nec 5fg would appreciated since want get one right exams done \( ie week \) 5fg think great n't seen nanao 's ca n't compare , 5fg image sharp color contrast extremely good 've used trinitron monitors \( e g sun color monitors , 19 trinitron \) , think 5fg least good , perhaps brighter , none silly horizontal lines running across btw , could wrong , thought 5fge slower well missing accucolor may able handle 1280x1024 way 5fg believe pc mag said 5fge ca n't 1280x1024 cheers , dan ts'o div neuroscience 713 798 3100 baylor college medicine 1 baylor plaza houston , tx tso cephalo neusc bcm tmc edu , nextstep \( tm \) news reader , posting n 7 9o 9c ! 5r b ! wt 7 ua f l , 3 \( p \) g c r , `i r9 qt dv , qt , c ! ' r , , qt 0x , ! ' u c r , qt v ! ' x , qf , qb , qi , qu ! 9g , r ! \) b ! \( pq c4r , \( ! ! 7 c f \) c 6 , n \( 5' , g rd w \) 5s ep b ! \) b ! \( q 7 ! \) w n x0 \) 7 , n 6 g 6ql f \( a4 4 \( 5m r 2 ! w , \( xn bx \( 5 w \( f w \( l v \( '1h92 ! 14 , \( n 'd 9 cx \( b` \( 5x 5r \( r \( p \( 9r vt 5o qe \( ' h r ! \( cx ! 14 , \( ' \( \) e \( p ' \) 5d \( ' f e \( v n ! r ! \( ' \) \( f \( ym 2 ! e r ! f4 \( 1o f4 ee b ! u ! \( ' 9g \) 2 ! n w ep b ! cx 4d ! \( 5 ! f0 ai fl 70 7 , 9w \) \( ! \( '1h92 ! r \( ' \( e cx 8v n \) w0 8v \( 7 , 2 ! r ! f0 ae \( r \( \( \( ie \( \( dg f4 7 e9 ! ae b ! 4 vx 6 n g , 82 ! 3 6x 4u , r \( \( uo fet w \) ! w ec ! r ! \( \( b ! 4 ! f0 ai fl ae \( 5 1r ! r ! ! ! r ! g v p b ! \) ! \( \) r 6 h 5r ! f0 \( b ! ! ! 6ql 2 ! h w \) f n l \( qi \( ' \) u fyi f 86 r w ep b` \) ! \) \( \( \) e \( ' r ! b 70 ! \( '1h870 ae \( 5 7 , \( \( ' e q cx , ! ! 0t , 3u \( n \( et \( ua 2 ! n w0 86 \) ! r ! h 4 , 3 \( x , ' q , \( \( '1h92 ! ae \( 5 b ! \( p \) \( \) e ee f4 4 , 6 g \( ' 60 ! ! , c p p , ep cx 0d \) \) p b` \) 0e 5' , g b` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ! \( ye 7 \) v \( ` \( `w , 3 , 3 , q , ! cx \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` 0f r \( v8 6 f5 cx \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` , 2 ! w \( 4 qa f , b` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ` \( ! \( n ! 46 ` p , \( ` \( ! v l uc 2 ! cx \? 0h `
pebi aem umn edu \( peter bidian \) subject duo price reduction \? nntp posting host aem umn edu organization university minnesota lines 25 kwun css itd umich edu \( michael kwun \) writes michigan state university pricing 210 systems powerbook duo portable mac powerbook duo 210 4m ram 80m hd 1528 98 promotion expires 06 13 93 might already 200 cheaper \) \) mac pb duo 210 4 80 bundle w 1 4m drive 1636 08 u mn , bundle peter internet michael kwun umich edu speak bitnet support local cooperative
00cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu subject rodney king \( marine gay bashing \) distribution usa organization ball state university , muncie , univ computing svc 's lines 16 article 888 ncratl atlantaga ncr com , mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes 1993apr17 bsu ucs 00cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu writes sorry , n't see charge cops saw trying get away people beating guess see want see miller saw , see start video starts , king lying ground , surrounded cops noone beating king gets charges one officers \( powell \? \) falling back officer pulls strikes king blow appears land near shoulders head
georgian tigger jvnc net \( ops mgr \) subject x terminal 21 1280x1024 mono forsale originator ens tigger jvnc net nntp posting host tigger jvnc net reply lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu organization jvncnet lines 22 sale 21 x terminal monitor adjustable landscape portrait orientation 1280x1024 landscape resolution portrait resolution 21 diagonal screen small footprint rs 232 423 422 support thin thick ethernet connectors vt220 vt100 emulation additional software sun machines provided price 1500 00 shipping extra \( heavy \) send email , offers , flames lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu
car gandalf maine edu \( reynolds \) subject sale furniture organization university maine department computer science lines 22 keywords items bought august 1992 like new interested following , please send e mail main frame car gandalf queen size box spring mattress 200 queen size pine 35 sofa slate blue three pillows 6 foot seating area 200 4 drawer chest 20 3 drawer chest 20 small kitchen table four chairs 70 thanks car
thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) subject ultimate awd vehicles reply ecs umass edu 's message 15 apr 93 16 20 49 gmt organization communicator nexus ab engr washington edu ecs umass edu lines 22 article ecs umass edu ecs umass edu writes s4 became s4 called 200 turbo quattro model come wagon , quick wagon rare also mike sylvester umass satisfied audi owner \( 90 100 turbo quattro 4 th audi \) get free magazine latest issue presented new s4 avant \( wagon \) 4 2 litre v8 'd like one \) btw , second quattro third turbo must say even summer , dry roads , give much extra road holding balance hope afford always thomas real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden
albany edu subject desktop fonts changing \? organization university albany , albany ny x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 lines 17 one users unusual problem alt tab full screen dos program , goes back windows desktop fonts changed goes back full screen dos program goes back windows , font changed back default font 's major problem \( everything works font \) , annoying anyone idea happens way , dec machine jeffrey cohen voice 518 442 office research \( ad 218 \) fax 518 442 university albany e mail albany edu state university new york 1400 washington ave albany , ny
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 10 joseph h buehler writes obviously applies equally well infants adults , since souls infants must baptized , therefore , cannot enter heaven need form life , cannot enter heaven saying baptism nothing asking jesus come heart accepting savior , ritual must go enable us enter heaven \?
doc webrider central sun com \( steve bunis se southwest chicago \) subject black reflector tape \? organization sun microsystems , inc lines 20 distribution world reply doc webrider central sun com nntp posting host webrider central sun com months ago , one motorcycle mags , article mentioned reflector tape supposed available thru bmw idea tape would look black sunlight , reflect colors night headlights sounded like nice way add visibility without turning bike carnival attraction talked local bmw dealer told thing heard kind reflector , used coming line bmw clothing \( \) n't aware anything regarding self applied tape anyone come across bmw source \? thanks , steve bunis , sun microsystems dod 93 st1100 , il ama 78 kz650
thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) subject oto , ancient order oriental templars organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 13 tony alicea \( ch981 cleveland freenet edu \) wrote previous article , shades cutler com \( darrin \) says lodge n't internet address , cis address reached via uucp internet , 1351 guess would 1351 cis com' something like compuserve com 've tried 1351 compuserve com bounced twice guesses \? thyagi
msunde01 mik uky edu \( mark underwood \) subject disks copy protected article ms reply msunde01 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 60 nntp posting host mik uky edu article 1r76sbinnkap flop engr orst edu noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) writes hate hard copy manuals , would rather docs online want copy program , usually faster convenient sifting old book ca n't find mho , prefer hardcopy books three four open spread across bed \( next desk dorm \) reference using program full screen windows help things come closest good line documentation 've seen , generally n't detailed enough would probably take large amount space \( even compressed \) premium system fact , manuals primary reason bought borland 's c compiler instead using one lab licensed \( lab , course \) 've got shelf full books help i'm stuck \) \) deeper end everyone think need able make backup copy \? almost new software must installed hard disk , left originals backups think waste time , space , money , well makes tempting lend backups 've destroyed six sets original microsoft word mac 5 0 word windows \( may bad batch disks \) n't idea happened , went bad n't stored near magnetic fields otherwise mistreated , indeed used given , massive headaches finding working set disks fix machines periodically go , 'd say working backups sure wish 'd \( sometimes think murphy 's law holds true often newton 's ! ! \) needed think 's like snake 99 995 time absolutely use , need , boy ever need ! n't backups originals home machine n't see anywhere near use abuse lab , consider less risk still , usually make working copies install eventually use working copies something else flames intended thoughts mine , ! \) btw , anyone notices mentioning copying programs machine machine installs wonders licensing , upper management \( non student staff , course \) meticulous checking providers software making sure sticking license agreements mark underwood ee student , university kentucky lab assistant , boyd hall microlab \( tiny little division uk library microlabs \) e mail msunde01 mik uky edu
sdc boeing com \( gerald edgar \) subject viewing jpeg files keywords windows viewers distribution na organization boeing computer services \( esp \) , seattle , wa lines 9 nntp posting host crystal jpeg viewers windows based therefore need hardware specific drivers beyond provided windows got mine library congress connection online exhibit books vatican library see previous message newgroup gerald edgar atc boeing com opinions expressed may represent employer
ntuvax ntu ac sg subject x windows ms dos pc \? 's faq \? lines 7 nntp posting host v9000 ntu ac sg organization nanyang technological university singapore need know get faq xwindows ms dos machines usual faq gave name file called xservers nonunix txt z cannot find anywhere need x windows programming msdos pc anyone know go \?
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject lead acid batteries part 2 ! ! ! organization lines 39 article 1993apr27 1 ulkyvx louisville edu jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes article 1993apr26 mprgate mpr ca , vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) writes lots stuff deleted lead acid secondary cell discharge reaction exothermic glad dispute point n't want lead storage battery discharge , stored charged state equilibrium state winter , ground , covered concrete , dirt , wood , maintains cooler temperature average surrounding air battery heat capacity air less concrete , dirt , wood , heats faster conversely , air cools faster , normal storage procedure battery leave unheated garage basement storage surface often cooler surrounding air , battery temperature somewhere e g , basement air temperature may 70 f , floor temperature 65 f , battery temperature 66 f air temperature higher battery temperature heat reaction going move gradient floor temperature lower battery temperature , heat going move floor incredible heat sink might depend live know locally , winter ground , concrete floor , within sheds garages \( unheated \) warmer average air temperature air get warmer day , night , ground concrete definitely warmer , especially protected walls albedo effect nights longer several hours days rest quoted text deleted jeff white jhwhit01 ulkyvx louisville edu richard dell
hertz njit edu \( david utidjian eng sci \) subject fact theory organization new jersey institute technology , newark , n j lines 42 nntp posting host hertz njit edu jim andy incorrect believe facts , processes exist present physical evidence processes occured past facts exist without theory theory tries explains facts relate rest physical universe manner coherent useful , used make predictions facts gravity , evolution , electromagnetic radiation , relativity , atoms exist behave way behave regardless whether theory try explain interact even theory never really becomes fact theory predict existence previously unknown fact , find fact theory predicted say theory supported facts theory mental construct , speculation , model good model , may useful science theory something supported evidence , considerable evidence , sometimes evidence hypothesis new fledgling theory yet enough evidence support new hypothesis proposed replace existing theory , must explain facts current theory explains least facts current theory could predict new facts simple i'm surprised subject gets beat death month quick glance dictionary would clear 99 confusion bandwidth newsgroup could talk really important things like , men nipples \? david utidjian utidjian berkeley edu
steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) subject hey , teh c reply steven kipling freddy ersys edmonton ab ca \( steven kipling \) distribution world organization freddy 's place bbs edmonton , ab 403 456 4241 lines 34 quoting greg rogers gr hi , gr due living bay area , unable see vancouver 's victory gr jets last night know score , rarely describes gr game could someone please post brief \( sp \? \) gr happened well team play \? cannucks deserving gr victory \? gr also , could kind soul please email end season , gr individual player stats \? gr greg gr vancouver cup \( virtual reality \) sorry tell greg , reality , cannot see vancouver winning cup good chance come smythe division , chance make finals , one capable year beating penguins , many scoring threats would love proven wrong , must conclude pens win cup 3 year steve rotten way spend 7th life blue wave qwk v2 12
jjb dtc hp com \( jim brewer \) subject daytona nntp posting host dtc hp com organization hp design technology center , santa clara , ca lines 14 article rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu \( ramin taraz \) writes well , watched daytona race tnn boy people saw yamaha lot faster kawi \? last stretch took left kawi dust kawi rider disappointed kawi ! n't lawson 's v h faster watch tape , russell major problems getting onto banking n't matter bike , lose drive , hosed two bikes almost identically fast check qualifying times
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 26 article dusek shale dusek rtsg mot com \( james p dusek \) writes ccdarg dct ac uk \( alan greig \) writes cultists \) think 'll quote bbc quoting \( actually voice interview \) one two british survivors claimed fire started tanks caused internal wooden wall roof collapse knocking kerosene lamps suicide plan fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? case , unimportant set fire davidians would burned matter , especially batf fbi set fire would make martyrs vernon howell therefore rocket heaven comments remaining davidians scattered throughout country seemed confirm theory \( one cult member said wished , would wait vernon return actually seemed upset burn \) think vernon started fire \( followers anyway \) , incidental reaction personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
galvint cs nps navy mil \( thomas galvin \) subject think espn shafted \? organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca lines 29 article vm cmp ilstu edu vm cmp ilstu edu writes like many others watching caps isles game went baseball game pissed could interupt important game understand contracts , would think would clause contract concerning important games ! anyway , us blues \( hawks \) fans got shafted worse ! everyone u watched game abc however us live central illinois area subjected watching \( \? \) area affected telecast get see game except hawk vision game , televised , would first home hawks game shown area since 1980 television bull got stop deprived seeing games , due ticket prices , also deprived watching tv peace , hammer i'm familiar situation \( individual compuserve also victimized equally pissed \) local television station contract could broken item , strongly suggest call affiliate vent anger \( supposedly one station told friend received hundreds angry calls translate far less incentive pre hockey telecasts future contract written pathetic time slot \) tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
long spk hp com \( jerry long \) subject 2 silver solder organization hewlett packard x newsreader tin version 1 1 4 pl6 lines 27 andy shiekh \( shiekh trieste \) wrote seen existance electronics solder 2 silver content seems good wetting anyone tell used \? \( silver expensive metal \) andy part , silver solder used general soldering tasks due mechanism growth silver solder , exposed high humidity placed electric field , actually grow conductive electrically short across closely spaced nodes creating field reason , silver allowed sealed , tin lead solder quite stable grow fast silver solder therefore , used extensively jerry long long spk hp com disclaimer opinions reflect employer
jge cs unc edu \( john eyles \) subject tick fever \( aka rocky mtn spotted \) organization university north carolina chapel hill lines 22 distribution usa nntp posting host ceti cs unc edu rocky mountain spotted fever experts \? doctor thinks friend might question , n't tick bite \? frequently find tick crawling walk woods around , tend notice bites pulling one skin something 're likely forget get fever without biting \? sometimes bite let go n't realize bitten \? know let go 've fill , certainly would notice \( \) get fever never pulled tick \( opposed finding one merely crawling \) \? john eyles jge cs unc edu
organization middle east technical university computer center iscis trmetu bitnet subject 8th int'l computer information sciences lines 91 call papers eighth international symposium computer information sciences iscis viii november 3 5 , 1993 , , turkey organized ecole des en informatique , paris , france metu middle east technical university , ankara , turkey cooperation ieee computer society turkey chapter , ieee turkey section following universities , ege , , istanbul , yildiz iscis advisory board e , e , u halici , e , k , , , n , u , conference chair program co chairs publicity chair erol , l gun , ibm , usa halici , metu duke university , usa r , ibm , usa halici vm cc metu edu tr erol egr duke edu p , irisa , france halici trmetu bitnet program committee v , turkey , e , turkey , e , turkey , , turkey , , turkey , , turkey , , turkey , , france , j , france , e , usa , g , turkey , u halici , turkey , e , turkey , k , turkey , , germany , , turkey , , france , v , france , n , france , j f perrot , france , , france , , greece , g , france , g , turkey , n , turkey publicity committee , , , , iscis viii eighth series meetings brought together computer scientists engineers twenty countries year 's conference held beautiful mediterranean resort city , region rich natural well historical sites research papers sought following areas theory computer science computer architecture systems artificial intelligence neural networks graphics image processing computational mathematics operations research applications databases performance evaluation software engineering computer networks parallelism paper submission full papers limited 8 pages short communications limited 4 pages submit five camera ready copies \( one original four copies \) paper accompanying letter postal mail , arrive june 30 , 1993 iscis viii , attn drs gun , ibm b 673 , p box , research triangle park , nc , usa selected papers iscis viii published journal information sciences \( north holland \) poster submission submit five camera ready copies 1 page extended abstract accompanying letter july 30 , 1993 address given information required writing format , information announcements , contact iscis viii , halici , dept electrical electronics eng , metu , ankara , turkey tel \( 90 4 \) 210 10 00 ext fax \( 90 4 \) 210 12 61 email iscis vm cc metu edu tr iscis trmetu bitnet
dbd urartu sdpa org \( david davidian \) subject ex soviet armenian government 1914 ! summary fools service genocide apology organization p center regional studies lines 18 turkish genocide apology revision zuma uucp posted via sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) wrote fool thanks joined millions turkish kurdish people fool april 23 , 1993 remembered , prayed 2 5 fool million muslim people ruthlessly exterminated fascist fool x soviet armenian government 1914 1920 tend doubt ex soviet armenian government 1914 1920 ! revisionist , liar , fool ! david davidian dbd urartu sdpa org armenia learned lesson p center regional studies anatolia forgotten p box 382761 punishment inflicted 4 14 93 cambridge , 02238 late turkish president turgut ozal
l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) subject 486dlc cpu reply l p li1 lut ac uk \( dlp li \) organization loughborough university , uk lines 11 netters , last post concerning cyrix 486dlc cpu , said benchmark program stated bug cyrix cpus true must apologize author actual program gives report f prot 2 07 , virus detection removal program report stated bug dlc sorry , sorry , sorry desmond li lut , uk
unix amherst edu \( joshua aaron klein \) subject muslims accepting sheep status organization amherst college lines 14 nntp posting host amhux3 amherst edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 ilyess b bdira \( benali alcor concordia ca \) wrote side coin , give instance muslims killed non muslims , raped families , burned houses , sake strong majority course hmmm genocide conducted ottoman empire armenians living turkey joshua klein internet addresses amherst college unix amherst edu amherst , amherst edu
camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) subject lead acid batteries part 2 ! ! ! organization temple university lines 40 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 thought first thread hilarious , goes another post background information happened poor batteries one year , left batteries garage garage unheated left places needed one riding lawnmower \( lux \) one motorcycle battery riding lawnmower 3 4 years old , one cycle batteries new , one around 5 years old upon spring time , discovered batteries dead , needed worked properly , except older ones , replaced halfway summer \( originally stored garage , think remember dad charging spring \) last year , decided bring basement , two parts one dirt brick , concrete brought three , discovered spring , \( 15 days ago \) batteries dead , put charger , charger said amp meter read around 1 , 000 , 000 , 000 \( words , pinned \) internal circut tripped , went batteries realizing still 2 gigantic batteries , also lead acid , decided put charger \( sitting around 1 half years , brick dirt part \) noticed needed small charge , around 2 hours trickle tested using local gas station giving jump starts , worked fine around 25 'em leads believe one several things 1 \) bought really tty batteries last year \( sorta true \) 2 \) concrete something discharge batteries 3 \) enough moisture short terminals room concrete , 4 \) dirt room able absorb moisture air better concrete \( btw , almost waterski dirt room \) ideas \? could aliens , anything possible
mwunix mitre org \( joe morris \) subject smartdrv dblspace nntp posting host mwunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , mclean va lines 22 recent article rcaldrn med miami edu \( richard calderon \) writes received gateway 486 33 windows dos 6 0 ran times apparent problems decided give double space try compressing drive , problems , decided load windows took 1 minute 45 seconds load dblspace , 17 seconds dblspace little machine noticed error message saying smartdrive 4 0 cannot work dblspace unreasonable , since smartdrv packaged dos 6 version 4 1 make sure drivers \( himem , emm386 , smartdrv \) executed dos directory loss cache provided smartdrv could problem , n't know might cause startup delay testbed dblspace \( minimal amount data disk n't eat much time install uninstall dblspace \) boots 20 seconds starting ms dos herald end autoexec bat execution n't handy system realistic volume data time joe morris mitre
subject stimulus legislation \? brooks ufl edu organization nntp posting host ifas ufl edu lines 12 anyone know access online copy proposed jobs stimulus legislation \? please e mail directly anyone else interested , post information thanks , mike brooks note e mail address news header correct correct address brooks ifas ufl edu
nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) subject dirty diesels \? nntp posting host opal12 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group distribution na lines 43 hhd0 harvey gte com \( horace dediu \) writes article nataraja opal12 , nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) writes heard diesels considered cleaner burning gas engines emit less carbon monoxide , hydrocarbons , oxides nitrogen \( co , hc , nox \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions really bugs emissions diesels cleanest , considered polluting banned passenger cars california bunch crap diesel fuel choice enviromental benefit europe 's illegal reason particulates nothing carbon annoyance worst nothing beats diesel cycle efficiency emissions , torque engine durability 's also cheaper clear things \( posted question way \) debating co worker diesels claimed cleaner burning gas engines said extra junk put offset savings greenhouse gasses made claims , one question carbon \? said harmless , wanted know get rid suggested scrubbers \( figured would harder expensive install cats \) exist designs \? \( 'd like know answer final question \) convinced diesels cleaner otherwise btw , \( named subject dirty diesels knew would get reaction people knew cleaner gas engines 'd read \) vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular , arlington hts il
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject egypt cuts phone lines independent muslim states keywords international , non usa government , government , intelligence , politics , religion nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 26 clarinews clarinet com \( \) writes cairo , egypt \( upi \) despite reports evidence contrary foreign ministry spokesman wednesday denied knowledge measures taken egyptian authorities restrict telephone contacts states linked muslim militants state cia control called state linked terrorism militants fundamentalists etc meanwhile even egyptian experts hate islamic movement admit happening egypt spontaneous time reaction government reports , one israeli radio iranian official news agency , , said week cairo disconnected telephone lines iran , sudan , pakistan asked telephone communication restrictions represented new measure egyptian authorities ibrahim agreed anybody see contradiction first paragraph \? anybody know upi original article 's title \? comes egypt , human rights , ethics , principles ignored western media wonder \?
arun ac dal ca subject help duo 230 4 80 ! ! ! organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 9 anyone know zap pram duo 230 recently noticed checking ram left finder duo 230 4 80 reveals normal system file 1 10 1 5 bar actually highlighted implying 2 300k used system gives \? crashes yet software problem thanks arun
sapphire zed com \( rickey thomas tom \) subject wanted , screen dump vga screen organization project zed lines 14 one dump printer , content vga screen text screen , execute shift graphics , pixel print would greatly appreciated someone supply source code alternately , commercial shareware programs available must able shell program execute print screen therefore , would source code thank advance rickey tom internet style ! uu2 psi com programmer analyst project ze uucp ! uunet ! ! !
mike hahn z5 fidonet org \( mike hahn \) subject translations lines 18 alison j wyld wrote ajw anyone know english language edition show ajw verse \( even chapter \) numbers clh original neb put verse numbers margin kenneth wuest 's expanded translation new testament puts range verse numbers next top paragraph expanded translation quite verbose though suitable detailed study quick reading mike golded 2 41 internet mike hahn z5 fidonet org via catalyst bbs port elizabeth , south africa \( alt za \) 27 41 34 , v32bis hst
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 43 article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article dtr usenet ins cwru edu aa824 cleveland freenet edu \( mark ira kaufman \) writes , jewish , self hating jew doubt doubts n't define self hating jew means \? found idea self hating jew one hope come definition try coming definition self hating peoples , reject culture point see absolute negatives culture \( generally , regarding particular event \) accept views purely opposing aspects culture \( thus , selective belief use historical facts complete ignoring context results \) hate culture certainly describes elias , since intention recognizing , alongside palestinian experience perspective , exists also israelis jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel get moved see israeli army killing people occupied territories much get moved see people israel aap , precisely israeli society tremendously harmed actions \( government \) felt take response perceived threat , long strident emotional debate pain israelis feel forced balance desires survival moral beliefs trauma make choice made worse fact neither conveniently brushed aside \( result reasoned political debate \) sake , reshaped tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
subject need help info hard drive terms carlson ucunix san uc edu \( david carlson \) organization university cincinnati lines 18 hi 've installing new hard drive recently run several terms i'm sure 1 \) hard soft 's difference \? know use \? 2 \) head cylinder understand related performance know 's optimal \? drive esdi drive , makes difference discussing terms info help greatly appreciated ! david \( carlson ucunix san uc edu \)
peter todd chan pc1o andrew cmu edu subject reduced sony cd players 4 sale organization fifth yr senior , electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 22 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu item sony es condition mint age 1 year old price 300 item sony cdp 770 condition excellent age 2 5 years old price 250 everything comes original packaging manuals items played audiophile system excellent shape interested , need additional information , please e mail \( pc1o andrew cmu edu \) call home thanks , pete \( 412 \) 687 p yes , sale
oasys dt navy mil \( brenda peters \) subject allergic reactions laser printers \? \? reply oasys dt navy mil \( brenda peters \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 34 sci med , rdd uts ipp garching mpg de \( reinhard drube \) writes hello , anyone know allergic reactions caused developer toner laser printers \? chemical stuff involved \? thanks advance ! reinhard email rdd ipp garching mpg de ever ! ! ! ! ! ! 2 years health problems cleared w shots , knowing , went tested actually better tested 2 years ago putting 2 2 together , realized started back laser printer came office kept track usage , hi use days , worse got better weekends laser printer gone , i'm 100 better ! ! ! whether toner dust chemicals , dont know \( highly allergic dust \) , definitely laser printer brenda peters carderock div , nswc , david taylor model basin bethesda , md 20084 e mail cape dt navy mil oasys dt navy mil
kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) subject sinus surgery septoplasty nntp posting host heath utdallas edu organization univ texas dallas lines 14 article netcom com badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) writes \( 've already heard couple said n't really help \) moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see relief asthma sinus surgery also said unheard migraines go away sinusitis relieved ent also tell procedure may remove soles feet improve sex life \?
dozonoff bu edu \( david ozonoff \) subject food related seizures \? lines 11 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 michael covington \( mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \) wrote corn , e g \? \? \? little commercial cereal products certainly would n't cause seizures david ozonoff , md , mph boston university school public health dozonoff med bu edu 80 east concord st , \( 617 \) 638 4620 boston ,
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject deal blue book value auto \? organization university illinois urbana lines 38 newton convex com \( vicki newton \) writes process buying new auto n't decided yet whether sell current car trade part new auto purchase know blue book value car 2825 offered give blue book value car wondering standard measure negotiating resale price hope get money someone else exactly blue book value based \? know year \( 88 \) car low mileage \( 50 , 000 \) excellent working condition dings exterior \( nothing major \) facts alter fair selling p rice car \? looking rip anyone , naturally want get best price car thanks million , veek think blue book nada handbook used car prices , \? blue book value given retail wholesale value \? \? \? blue book value n't set stone , though low milage , extra addons stuff like increase resale price car , may want head local library borrow friends blue book read sort stuff paid 400 bb \( retail \) '87 civic 1990 , perfect condition 14 5k miles guy desparate sell , new kid way , etc , good price remeber , buyer , sort brains , using blue book , pick fair price chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject nhl letter \( quite long \) organization hms lines 16 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article 1993apr26 sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startide ctr columbia edu \( ali lemer \) writes hey , everyone , hear \? 're fanatics ! cool ! get 1400 acre compound , weapon ammo caches \? wants barbeque \? ali ca n't believe sh like gets attention group playoffs ali , 're moron least could 've waited 'till end playoffs start dumb letter campaign ppv mark
bbn com \( ralph brown \) subject vlb bus master problem \? lines 17 distribution world reply bbn com nntp posting host bbn com keywords vlb bus master controller scsi article athena , athena qualcomm com \( robert kimball \) writes specifically , interested ultrastor 34f vlb scsi controller shell bucks thing would like get straight scoop someone knows anyone controller \? problems \? one three different motherboards n't work nt cases dos sent mine back , understanding systems micronics motherboards necessary shut internal cache 486 work 've yet hear someone running 34f motherboard nt without shutting cache get one advise sure return first ralph
ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 17 nntp posting host slc10 ins cwru edu must say customer midwest micro 4 years , well taken care purchase many friends bought modem \( \) experience setting modems , problems 6 know fact time valuable spend modem went wrong say must tell 12 yes say 12 ppi modems past trying use bbs junk replace 3 times , ther point said forget wanted money back ppi 's teck even said n't even repair strip parts good junk thr rest modem think fault midwest 's sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization macalester college lines 95 article 10h news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes citation ksu ksu edu citation ksu ksu edu \( jonathan w newton \) writes article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides important n't seem right want kill , decide \? exactly although may answer , two personal societal morality person 's self generated learned set beliefs usually expressed purely mental verbal level , n't usually find expression society except impure \( sense bad \) \) state sometimes 1 \) society think fairly obvious really whatever particular society mandates ok ok , always society disagree mandates , societal mandates make standard morality \? also , one feels oneself part one society , real sense \? use obvious example , political society , racial society , gender society , sometimes always agree every issue 2 \) define acceptable \? generally feel right , idiotic policy think basis \? unfortunately admit tied least loosely feeling , think intuitively know things wrong awfully hard defend , though yes perhaps infamous want long n't hurt others \? problem merely saying morality n't specifically preferred behaviours 3 \) keep whatever legal moral position \? thinking might agree certain actions legal make moral 'll add hearty two however , one could well say certain actions moral make legal one still n't really get impression one truly right mac michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu new taxes spending cuts 'll still 310 billion dollar deficits michael cobb wo n't raise taxes middle university illinois class pay programs champaign urbana bill clinton 3rd debate cobb alexia lis uiuc edu nobody explain everything anybody g k chesterton best regards , adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject 're government 're help organization stratus computer , inc lines 57 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr18 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes article 1993apr8 infonode ingr com jima b17d ingr com \( jim albea \) writes gee , jim , 'll check constitution 'll find order promote general welfare ordain establish constitution i'm surprised missed 's right first paragraph would thought would made least preamble almost got right , good try , follow advice preamble constitution read quoted let us forget preamble binding part constitution carries weight law poor tortured paragraph got one unfortunate passages english language witness blowhards like think vague phrases part law land really believe politician give lip service promoting general welfare within limits constitution \? sorry , buddy , blowhards managed include general welfare another portion constitution article section 8 congress shall power lay collect taxes pay debts provide common defence general welfare united states guess wanted make sure everyone understood meant said preamble since explicitly includes general welfare defense article , section 8 , guess 'll grant constitutional functions right \? james madison , federalist paper 41 urged echoed , power lay collect taxes , duties , , , pay debts , provide common defense general welfare united states , '' amounts unlimited commission exercise every power may alleged necessary common defense general welfare stronger proof could given distress writers labor objections , definition powers congress found constitution , general expressions cited , authors objection might color color objection , specification objects alluded general terms immediately follows , even separated longer pause \? nothing natural common first use general phrase , explain qualify recital particulars cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
paul hager hagerp cs indiana edu subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization computer science , indiana university lines 94 mark 'mark' sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu , mgb slacvm slac stanford edu says p according numerous accounts compound , fire started armoured vehicle crushing large propane tank , turning numerous gas lanterns oh \? smoke flames start three different places \? particular , three different places apv 's \? claim n't retracted contradicted yet , many earlier government claims \? least one clip showed fire erupting tank busted wall unsubstantiated claims government spotting simultaneous fires government start fire , n't people trying get compound \? 's easy six hours cs gas , heavy smoke rapidly spreading fire , confusion , panic 10 got building collapsing around finding way matter luck besides oh , n't know i'm even bothering davidians may committed suicide , zealots among might started fires possible , given government 's earlier inability tell straight story , find scenario equally possible wait independent investigation look whole thing would one thing government consistent throughout keeping press far away pools conducive building trust sealing warrants non optimal , well operation control git go find tremendously chilling many people seem willing accept governments story , despite much evidence contrary find tremendously chilling many people seem eager believe murderous , heavily armed religious cult , despite much evidence contrary thought experiment suppose exact thing happened bush administration would answer \? would still prefer believe cultists \? speaking , think bush reagan iran contra 1979 , would probably given benefit doubt government like said , 'll wait see results independent investigation one choose believe \( , n't really expect response challenge \) got one , anyway , mr clinton elected , people believe campaign promisses would respected got office um , n't politicians elected \? generally vote lesser two evils last time , least three evils people believe , little wonder believe given fact clinton reno fbi batf confederation particular reason gummint decided slaughter eighty people \? , like , plain evil , \? wake one day , stretch yawn , throw dart map united states figure oppress day \? i'm eager know bureaucratic execution control driven percieved self interest gross stupidity bill clinton cooler theme music darth vader \? diabolical laughter \? look good cape \? things must investigated first clinton another statist problem clinton apparently willing blindly back atf fbi propose destroy moon , neatly solving problem blood pressure went mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu disclaimer psu knew opinions , 'd try charge paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu would give devil benefit law safety 's sake man seasons robert bolt
rj3s virginia edu \( get thee nunnery \) subject deir yassin organization university virginia lines 65 hm cs brown edu writes article ere umontreal ca aurag ere umontreal ca \( aurag hassan \) writes trying say massacres deir yassin sabra shatila \? let tell good jokes thing like jewish killing wwii palestinians davidians years fact one killed war time place people die one gets killed maybe also n't die vietnam war killed american napalm 's maybe jews liked gas chambers one forced get may thought like cocaine \? think \? n't stupid say \? well stupid said next time want lie intelligently sincerely hassan arab civilians die dir yassin massacre first , village housed many armed troops secondly , irgun stern fighters absolutely intentions killing civilians village attacked military significance fact , warning given occupants village leave attack begin rational standards , dir yassin massacre killing unintentional village housed arab snipers arab troops thus attacked military significance attacked intentions killing civilians even compare dir yassin , 120 arabs died , holocaust absurd irgun want kill civilians village almost 1000 inhabitants , survived harry bullshit deir yassin unprovoked attack part jews , massacre defines best opinion village deir yassin pact jews , peace pact , irgun purposely broke agreement order scare palestinians might grant village housed armed arabs doubt nothing archives available literature indicates motivating force amongst irgun deir yassin massacre part strategy intimidate palestinians flee jewish homeland , contrary belief , many civilians killed deir yassin later advertized jews perpetrated useful getting many palestinians leave palestinians rightfully scared , want another deir yassin i'm necessarily condemning israelites atrocities committed part arabs israelophiles careful thinking good guys middle east arab jew suck equally
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject statistics , theism atheism organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 192 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 1993apr24 dcs warwick ac uk simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) writes article 8mb horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article 1993apr15 dcs warwick ac uk simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) writes write imagine alterian dollars turn bank account every month suppose money paid \( \) big hearted alterian benefactor , \( b \) bug alterian atm let 's suppose true dichotomy , p \( \) p \( b \) 1 trouble , alterius different universe , observations alterius possible \( except banks could n't possibly afford \) let 's examine case \( \) evidence whatsoever thing big hearted alterian benefactor however , p \( exists \( b h b \) \) p \( \( exists \( b h b \) \) 1 grounds lack evidence evidence partition like , dismiss hypothesis \( \) turning , therefore , \( b \) , also find evidence support hypothesis grounds , dismiss hypothesis \( b \) problem dismissed possible hypotheses , even though know construction money arrives every month , proven ca n't , dismissed potential causes 's extremely poor argument , 's premise 1 money paid either \( \) big hearted alterian benefactor , \( b \) bug alterian atm thus monthly appearance bucks , happen , observation alterius , construction , evidence existence either benefactor bug atm premise 2 observations alterius possible \( except banks could n't possibly afford \) forgot include premise actually premise 2 set possible observations alterius one clearly contradictory first state properly trouble , basis premise 2 , say evidence either benefactor bug , first premise leads conclusion appearance bucks , happen , evidence existence either benefactor bug voila , screaming contradiction highlights sc strawman argument evidence \( benefactor , bug \) observation distinguish benefactor bug possible evidence bug , neither evidence benefactor true say hypothetical universe appears exactly benefactor bug \( two statements , would false \) still contradictory reduces \( 1 \) alterian arriving account due benefactor bug \( 2 \) evidence benefactor , neither evidence bug \( meaning n't lend weight one \) \( 3 \) therefore evidence exist benefactor evidence exist bug \( 3 \) relies shift meaning \( 2 \) say \( paraphrased \) \( 2 \) evidence benefactor , example , mean 's evidence benefactor bug yes , 's mean \( 3 \) , however , 've shifted meaning evidence benefactor means evidence benefactor rather evidence benefactor w r bug really , meant evidence would tend one think communications problem trying say , clumsy way , buy theory far relates theism making predictions \( prayer , example \) , n't buy use occam 's razor cases 0 example , one could n't dismiss benefactor bug grounds simplicity one necessary explain brought 'one one process show would wrong 're saying post , seems agree , 're talking cross purposes \( 3 \) still contradiction \( 1 \) sums may help b benefactor , b bug , arrives account \( 1 \) implies p \( b b \) 1 assuming p \( bb \) 0 , 's either benefactor bug responsible bucks arrive , , p \( b b \) p \( b \) p \( b \) p \( b \) p \( b \) 1 \( 3 \) implies p \( b \) 0 p \( b \) 0 , n't meant p \( b \) 0 5 p \( b \) 0 5 , necessarily new observation \( 've already seen \) change estimates trying say \( , clumsy way \) would wrong assign 0 probability either 's precisely use razor case gods gods one class hypothesis \( many others \) belonging set hypotheses one necessary explain something otherwise would satisfactorily explained thrown retained grounds non rational preference , science statistics alternatively , one could chuck retain lot , grounds answer ca n't known , probability estimates effectively useless , equal \( agnosticism weak atheism \) set filled universe caused x , x gods , pink unicorns , nothing , etc observation tends one conclusion exactly point making , think n't throw , contrary assertion people , simon , think excellent science sole point n't observations directly contradict hypothesis h \( e x p \( x h \) 0 \) cause p \( h \) go zero finite number observations case get throw hypotheses exactly point , though may unclear said opposite , guess source confusion merely trying illustrate i'm trying say correct say absence evidence sometimes evidence absence , hold true , perhaps , versions theism n't true hold discarded using razor contrary , hold exactly discarded using razor see post branch thread seem guilty contradiction accuse razor holds gods , holds like hypotheses means 're assigning p \( x h \) 0 , though 've already established 's correct sum \( p \( x h \) \) 1 simply put , anyone claims viable proof existence non existence gods , whether inductive , best mistaken , worst barking mad luckily make claim , specifically said much numerous occasions would n't constructing strawman , would frank \? although n't , course , rule barking mad case \( could barking mad spare time , apologies et al \) think miss point say something evidence hypothesis , n't imply observation said something necessarily hypothesis , reducing estimate p \( h data \) zero reduces quantity , 's still evidence h , got i'm talking case 0 're clearly correct ! 0 i'm constructing strawman \( though 's certainly possible 've misunderstood 're saying \) however , standards , system says 0 , gods highly unlikely , ! 0 gods dismissed using razor , system inductive proof gods either n't exist , unnecessary explain phenomena experience , systems \( including prove gods exist \) always contain fallacy upon close examination 's 're saying , please put straight frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
menon boulder colorado edu \( ravi deantha menon \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros nntp posting host beagle colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 29 texx ossi com \( texx \) writes scene navy boot camp di son , awful ! dont ever clean thing \? recruit sir ! di hell ! recruit touch \? di \? recruit cause thats eye god , an' touch happen 40 years ago , happened 2 years ago think americans quite hung sex involved plumbing ! cute anecdote , hardly indicative population responses 've received post \( men , way \) get impression unless person willing drop masturbate whenever need desire strikes , person hung sex tv programs \( seinfeld \) masturbation \( seinfeld \) condoms handed high schools teenage pregnancy rate high abortion rate states , would assume american 's frightened sex rather bit stupid healthy sexuality require promiscuity requires responsibility deantha
kyle wam umd edu \( kyle xavier \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization university maryland , college park lines 41 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article vxcrna cern ch filipe vxcrna cern ch \( vinci \) writes blah blah talking hackers know wow ! new proof np complete problem , guys really got stuff together ! base step deleted bad inductive step anyway , poor , bad bad surgeons thieves , assertion hacker thief unsupported argument , imho narrower view hacker , associated computing environment , dishonest expert widespread inductive hypothesis therefore conclude call hacker , somebody perceives thief , person belongs small group computer knowledge , enough know wider \( original \) meaning word course , one always know disregard nonetheless , equate hacker thief , giving substance mr humpty 's assertion , even though kind reverse way fodder step finally , true hacker name one , title bestowed users large , sign truly great hacker introduced someone says , know thing two , people always exagerate \) filipe santos \( english first language , forgetful mistakes ! \) like mother always said , ca n't say something nice ca n't say something right \? signature file think
jmunch hertz elee calpoly edu \( john munch \) subject qur'an atheists \( jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza \) organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 20 article 1993apr26 doug cae wisc edu 30 cae wisc edu \( \) writes respect , since atheists arrogant claim self control self ownership , would make look like humble , decent people comparison ! logic since , others like also , going , things self existent self standing , self living , etc yes , atheists tend claim self control self ownership saying theists claim self control \? n't think atheists arrogant n't claim god supremacy mankind claim would arrogant , atheists n't claim atheists claim think disagreement claim self ownership would arrogant john david munch jmunch hertz elee calpoly edu heart change , full hate , love people allowed base lives hearts , anything happen dangerous situation , opinion bobby mozumder describing problems atheism
spl szechuan ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization university calif , san diego microscopy imaging resource lines 26 nntp posting host szechuan ucsd edu article usenet ins cwru edu aj359 cleveland freenet edu \( christopher c morton \) writes previous article , spl pitstop ucsd edu \( steve lamont \) says zog wants think legitimate possessor nuclear weapons unconstitutional ! much right kilogram two nice weapons grade plutonium cruddy little pointy headed liberal los alamos ah yes , yet another anti semite anti gunner tpg makes ass satire n mf l mf , fr l , , fr \( \) full plate , medley , fr fem akin l enough sad \( \) 1 literary work holding human vices follies ridicule scorn 2 wit , irony , sarcasm used expose discredit vice folly see wit spl steve lamont , sciviguy \( 619 \) 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy imaging resource uc san diego la jolla , ca 92093 0608 car car , bumper strip seen 805
annie wellesley edu \( r lee hawkins \) subject space marketing would wonderfull nntp posting host annie wellesley edu organization wellesley college lines 48 doubtfull credibility astronomer modern , ground based , visible light astronomy \( proposed orbiting billboards would upset \) already dying field ahh , perhaps 's 've \( astronomers \) built 2 10 meter ground based scopes studying designs larger ones seriously , though , 're never going get 10 meter scope orbit cheaply build one ground , adaptive optics good site , difference quality narrowed quite bit anyway also , scopes low orbit \( like hubble \) observe things continuously 45 minutes time , serious limitation opacity distortions caused atmosphere driven field use radio , far infrared space based telescopes case , bright point light passing field n't ruin observations case , sure hell half degree extent bright moon ever noticed much brighter night sky night \? thousands existing satellites would already done \( might seem bright eyes , far astronomy concerned , extremely bright \) existing satellites points light , advertising sign appeared point would useless , rather think appear larger satellite also , satellite tracks ruining lots plates current palomar sky survey frank crary cu boulder anyway , philosophy \? obviously qualified speak astronomy lee r lee hawkins annie wellesley edu department astronomy lucy wellesley edu observatory wellesley college ph 617 283 wellesley , fax 617 283
scott hpcvccl cv hp com \( scott linn \) subject gateway 4dx 33v high price \? nntp posting host hpcvccl cv hp com organization hewlett packard company , corvallis , oregon usa lines 18 athena mit edu \( glenn \) writes , maybe gateway system n't cheap system micron computers 486 2 50 , 16 meg ram , 245 maxtor hd , local bus ide 2 meg video card , 15 monitor system shipping came 2200 sold sx 33 chip came bought dx2 50 total price 2300 2400 think got something wrong state system , say sold sx 33 chip came make sense scott linn scott hpcvccl cv hp com
steve martin mrg uswest com \( steven martin \) subject janet reno killed waco children wed , 21 apr 93 22 55 19 gmt nuntius v1 1 1d17 steve martin mrg uswest com organization u west , mrg steve martin mrg uswest com lines 29 article v2110a vm temple edu richard hoenes , v2110a vm temple edu writes hostage situation taken place numerous occasions result police trying take place force result death hostages gunmen however , first time 've heard blame landing squarely police country policy negotiating back terrorists hostage takers since encourages terrorists hostage takers accurate analogy david koresh take bunch hostages call batf ransom note make sound batf showed save children first place interesting news absolutely jurisdiction child abuse cases seems batf showed , took davidians hostage fbi showed , negotiated hostages released , unable keep batf killing rest poor people trapped inside compound steve martin steve martin mrg uswest com strongest reason people retain right keep bear arms , last resort , protect tyranny government thomas jefferson
subject rawlins debunks creationism rfox charlie usd edu \( rich fox , univ south dakota \) reply rfox charlie usd edu organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines 36 article ursa bear com , halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes article usenet ucs indiana edu , bio indiana edu \( andy peters \) writes evolution , said , theory fact exactly amount existence atoms existence gravity accept existence atoms gravity fact , also accept existence evolution fact andy n't accept atoms gravity fact either extremely useful mathematical models describe physical observations make posters aptly explained atomic model gravity , , much theory gravity waves even detected , useful model describes much behavior objects thing call gravity gravity , however , fact theoretical model used talk objects behave physical environment newton thought gravity simple vector force einstein wave useful models religious requirements faith , unless course want demand factual physical entity described exactly way theory formulated talks takes great leap faith , , course , religion takes evolution different jim halat halat bear com serious \? ! ! ! 's exercise next time take model hold directly fresh release model observe model assume trajectory come rest exactly belongs watch , particularly wearing shorts perform experiment rich fox , anthro , usouthdakota
spp zabriskie berkeley edu \( steve pope \) subject going \? organization u c berkeley erl lines 10 distribution inet nntp posting host zion berkeley edu odie santarosa edu \( scott \) writes look like csrc ncsl nist gov become un machine someone would try , knows 's , 'd really appreciate info csrc ncsl nist gov \( 129 6 54 11 \) ftp able steve
andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) subject usenet hockey draft final point totals organization idacom , division hewlett packard lines 266 final point totals players chosen usenet hockey draft note 114 players scored 55 points \( minimum cost \) although 254 different players chosen andrew points team player 160 pit mario lemieux 148 buf pat lafontaine 142 bos adam oates 137 det steve yzerman 132 wpg teemu selanne 132 nyi pierre turgeon 127 buf alexander mogilny 127 tor doug gilmour 125 la luc robitaille 123 phi mark recchi 114 que mats sundin 111 pit kevin stevens 110 van pavel bure 109 pit rick tocchet 107 chi jeremy roenick 106 stl craig janney 105 que joe sakic 102 bos joe juneau 101 stl brett hull 100 cgy theoren fleury 100 pit ron francis 99 tor dave andreychuk 97 mtl vincent damphousse 97 det dino ciccarelli 97 wpg phil housley 96 buf dale hawerchuk 94 stl brendan shanahan 94 mtl kirk muller 94 pit jaromir jagr 93 min mike modano 91 nyr mark messier 89 hfd geoff sanderson 88 mtl brian bellows 88 cgy robert reichel 87 la jari kurri 87 nyi steve thomas 87 det sergei fedorov 87 det paul coffey 86 tb brian bradley 86 phi rod brind'amour 85 wsh peter bondra 85 pit larry murphy 85 hfd andrew cassels 85 van cliff ronning 82 wsh mike ridley 82 la tony granato 82 que steve duchesne 82 hfd pat verbeek 82 bos ray bourque 81 cgy gary suter 81 nj claude lemieux 80 mtl stephan lebeau 79 nj alexander semak 79 wsh kevin hatcher 79 min russ courtnall 79 wsh dale hunter 78 que mike ricci 78 sj kelly kisio 78 stl jeff brown 77 que owen nolan 77 van murray craven 77 van geoff courtnall 76 nyr tony amonte 76 nyi derek king 76 min dave gagner 75 phi eric lindros 75 cgy joe nieuwendyk 75 nyi benoit hogue 74 tor nikolai borschevsky 74 wsh michal pivonka 74 min ulf dahlen 73 la jimmy carson 73 nj stephane richer 73 chi chris chelios 73 stl nelson emerson 72 wpg alexei zhamnov 72 bos dmitri kvartalnov 72 van trevor linden 72 wpg thomas steen 71 van petr nedved 70 pit joe mullen 70 chi steve larmer 69 la mike donnelly 68 que andrei kovalenko 68 nyr mike gartner 67 wsh dmitri khristich 66 wsh al iafrate 66 det ray sheppard 66 sj johan garpenlov 65 tor glenn anderson 65 hfd zalapski 65 la wayne gretzky 65 nyr adam graves 64 nj valeri zelepukin 63 ott norm maciver 63 phi kevin dineen 62 det steve chiasson 62 det paul ysebaert 62 phi garry galley 61 pit shawn mceachern 60 mtl mike keane 60 wpg darrin shannon 60 nyi pat flatley 60 nj bernie nicholls 60 que scott young 59 la rob blake 59 phi brent fedyk 57 chi steve smith 57 wsh pat elynuik 57 nj scott stevens 57 cgy sergei makarov 57 wpg fredrik olausson 56 van greg adams 56 tb john tucker 54 chi christian ruuttu 54 chi brent sutter 54 cgy al macinnis 54 nyr sergei nemchinov 53 hfd terry yake 53 nyr darren turcotte 52 nyi vladimir malakhov 52 van dixon ward 52 la tomas sandstrom 51 bos stephen leach 51 hfd patrick poulin 51 wpg keith tkachuk 50 nyi jeff norton 50 mtl denis savard 50 tor john cullen 50 wsh sylvain cote 49 nyr ed olczyk 49 stl kevin miller 49 bos dave poulin 49 van semenov 49 phi pelle eklund 49 wpg davydov 48 mtl gilbert dionne 48 nj john maclean 48 que martin rucinsky 48 la alexei zhitnik 48 edm petr klima 48 edm doug weight 47 edm shayne corson 46 edm craig simpson 45 wsh kelly miller 45 edm dave manson 44 chi michel goulet 44 mtl schneider 43 det bob probert 43 cgy paul ranheim 43 ott sylvain turgeon 42 min mark tinordi 41 ott bob kudelski 41 det lidstrom 41 ott brad shaw 41 edm todd elik 41 bos vladimir ruzicka 40 min mike mcphee 40 nyr esa tikkanen 40 tor dave ellett 40 nj peter stastny 39 la corey millen 39 nj bobby holik 39 buf yuri khmylev 39 tb adam creighton 39 tor wendel clark 38 van sergio momesso 38 nyr alexei kovalev 37 tor rob pearson 37 que valery kamensky 37 chi dirk graham 36 nyr brian leetch 36 edm ciger 35 tor peter zezel 35 bos ted donato 33 min neal broten 33 hfd mikael nylander 33 phi josef beranek 33 chi stephane matteau 32 edm scott mellanby 32 det keith primeau 32 buf wayne presley 32 nyi brian mullen 32 phi dmitri yushkevich 32 mtl gary leeman 31 buf richard smehlik 31 bos steve heinze 31 tor dmitri mironov 30 chi brian noonan 28 wsh bob carpenter 28 sj pat falloon 27 stl igor korolev 27 tb mikael andersson 27 nyi ray ferraro 26 buf petr svoboda 26 ott mark lamb 26 nyr james patrick 25 mtl benoit brunet 24 nyi scott lachance 24 tor bill berg 23 edm martin gelinas 23 wpg sergei bautin 23 edm kevin todd 21 nyi david 21 nyi darius kasparaitis 21 tb roman hamrlik 21 min brent gilchrist 20 nyr phil bourque 20 det jim hiller 20 phi andrei lomakin 20 hfd yvon corriveau 19 buf donald audette 18 bos cam neely 17 chi joe murphy 17 sj mark pederson 16 pit martin straka 15 nyr peter andersson 13 nj 13 ott tomas jelinek 12 min bobby smith 11 tb steve kasper 10 sj ray whitney 9 hfd robert petrovicky 9 buf viktor 8 tor joe sacco 8 que mikhail 8 sj peter ahola 7 chi rob brown 7 bos glen murray 6 min brian propp 6 hfd tim kerr 5 wsh reggie savage 5 la robert lang 5 stl 5 det viacheslav kozlov 5 edm shaun van allen 4 bos jozef 4 min dan quinn 4 pit bryan fogarty 3 mtl olav 3 tb stan 2 nj claude 2 wsh jason woolley 0 que peter forsberg 0 wsh brian sakic 0 wsh randy burridge 0 mtl patrick 0 ott alexei yashin 0 edm dean 0 cgy cory stillman 0 tb brent gretzky 0 buf jason dawe 0 van igor 0 chi sergei andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom operation \( 403 \) 462 0666 ext 253 roman era , 28 considered old
cs utexas edu \( irfan \) subject stage set organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 17 nntp posting host pageboy cs utexas edu article iid ucdavis edu hamlet ucdavis edu \( \) writes reading plenty remarks claiming arrival restoration , could anyone 1 \) define , 2 \) indicate colonial countries remain , 3 \) indicate changes indicate restoration making \? pakistan definitely comes economic colonialism utility rates \( electricity , water gas \) set imf world bank governments come go whims fancy state department yet see govt survive doesnot support state department
vaxc stevens tech edu subject emi filter , 's \? lines 8 organization stevens institute technology could someone tell 's cornell emi filter fil 001 \? rated 115 50 60hz mov 's ferrite \? dave stevens institute technology hoboken , new jersey
glang slee01 srl ford com \( gordon lang \) subject null modem cable \? organization ford motor company research laboratory lines 134 nntp posting host slee01 srl ford com x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 kevin kimmell computer science german undergrad \( ke kimmell vax cns muskingum edu \) wrote interrested simple concept null modem cable \( actually idea , n't count last statement \) i'm asking pins use \( 's specifications \? \) want solder one instead buying one n't even know port used help please \( ke kimmell vax cns muskingum edu \) kevin p i'm intending use cable pc pc transfers \( via lap link telix ideas info gladly accepted \) specific knowledge lap link telix , recommendation package follow one 's instructions making null modem cable reason one may different since n't really standard pc pc communications following tutorial wrote give understanding rs 232 null modems , still check software ! couple details rs 232 rs 232 specification communicating computer modem actually end system communications hardware terminology used data terminal equipment \( dte \) data communications equipment \( dce \) rs 232 spells voltage levels , connector type , pinouts , signal protocols connector db 25 ibm set alternative standard db 9 primary signals transmit data \( td \) , recieve data \( rd \) , signal ground \( sg \) signals provide control dte dce example , dte announces powered ready participate communications via data terminal ready \( dtr \) signal dtr output dte input dce similarly , dce announces ready participate communications via data set ready \( dsr \) signal dsr input dte output dce ok 's five signals four interest request send \( rts \) signal output dte \( input dce \) used ask dce permission send data dce agrees , sends ok via clear send \( cts \) signal \( completeness , cts input dte output dce \) two signals \( interest \) ring indicator \( ri \) data carrier detect \( dcd \) inputs dte outputs dce ri would expect signal dte saying someone attempting establish connection dce rather specific modem telephone line setup dcd way dce announce connection established e local dce talking remote dce 's oh many rs 232 signals defined , obsolete explained nine signals pc pinouts follows name db 9 db 25 sg 5 7 td 3 2 rd 2 3 dtr 4 20 dsr 6 6 dcd 1 8 rts 7 4 cts 8 5 ri 9 22 address problem hand connect pc pc \( dte dte \) , dce pair middle therefore rs 232 signal definitions n't work quite right dce assert cts , dsr , dcd , ri common thing use signals also forget dtr rts outputs well done simply make null modem \( cable \) passes sg , crosses td rd \( e pin 2 one end connects pin 3 end , etc \) problem solution pc wants send data way knowing pc ready would send data hope got therefore better null modem would include dtr dsr pair crossed particular point confusion software area run wires mean soft ware use using built bios control serial port , bios dictates wires need used comm package brooklyn bridge , lap link telix , packages dictate cabling requirements thing guess reliably sg , td , rd dtr dsr also fairly common one issue needs addressed flow control rs 232 , dce 's responsible flow control assumed dce could n't possible run dte mean long dte dtr line asserted , dce send data without requesting permission first note contrast direction data flow dte must request permission asserting rts line must wait cts signal send dte dte , question need flow control \? usually \? non binary communications , one common technique xon xoff implemented software wires dedicated flow control td rd carry xon xoff commands type flow control used addition hardware flow control , problem ca n't send binary data data might include xon xoff codes cause erroneous signals \( work around software insert extract escape codes , hardware flow control prefered \) problem hard ware flow control standard lots ways bet tried one cornerstone methods use rts cts one direction beyond anything fair game , must look comm package cabling requirements bet 'll find one cable \( wired properly \) could work packages long vintage way , familiar one package uses rts cts dtr dsr flow control rts request send dtr ready recieve , cts clear send dsr request recieve mean cable software cabling stuff common uart directly controlled cts signal means cts must present even support ing software cases find cables short rts cts end \( perhaps dtr cts \) possible shorting might done software expects certain signals n't \( n't feel like providing would mean additional wires \) specifically talking dsr shorting dtr dsr good idea general may find cables like bad idea defeats whole purpose one gotcha signal dcd software \( including pc bios \) expects see dcd work signal sometimes gets shorted dtr favorite null modem rts cts shorted end , rts also connected end connected dcd course dtr dsr crossed td rd course sg must pass null modem works software flow control , , use rts dcd dtr dsr comm package specify cable required pc pc connection , suggest use one td rd rd td dtr dsr dsr dtr dcd rts rts dcd cts cts gordon lang
subject shaft drives wheelies stafford vax2 winona msus edu \( john stafford \) distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus edu lines 18 article news duke edu , infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) wrote 5 wheelies 's chain drive model wow , custom made \? , stock setup someone really ought put end confusion regarding bmw 's chain drive boxers n't someone post faq time ago \? essence , describes problem bmw decision settle shaft drive standard persist chain drive various models \( r c \) gosh well , crusade ! john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply
hhenderson vax clarku edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization clark university lines 31 sent version post ago , swallowed void apologies anyone ends receiving sherri nichols writes article 22apr93 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes n't happen think 11 15 minutes added length games last 10 years added anything interesting would quantify \? suppose easy way would look attendance figures anyone got numbers \? attendance figures n't going quantify anything personal opinion , clearly stated add end sentence , 're confused meant oh , n't confused understood personal opinion thought discussing need shorten games arguments declare need seem hinge assertion long games bore people otherwise discourage going ballpark 'd like see increased length games negatively affected attendance , problem , something done n't , n't problem , 's need monkey things heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
apryan vax1 tcd ie subject u k see mir evening skies ! lines 24 nntp posting host vax1 tcd ie organization trinity college dublin lines 24 astronomy space magazine 's uk telephone carries times see russian space station mir visible every evening \( time 9 o'clock midnight \) april 27 may 7 's bright jupiter best two board time watch , tel 0891 88 19 50 \( 48p min peak min times , prediction start weekly message costs \) e mail reports sightings would appreciated give lat long ut \( seconds accuracy possible \) passes bright star \( say brighter mag 3 \) , planet moon moon evening sky also , note somewhere u k mir pass front moon night ! please alert local clubs telephone , general public mir cause quite stir ! tony ryan , astronomy space , new international magazine , available astronomy ireland , p box 2888 , dublin 1 , ireland 6 issues \( one year sub \) uk 10 00 pounds , us 20 surface \( add us 8 airmail \) access visa mastercard accepted \( give number , expiration date , name address \) \( world's largest astro soc per capita unless know better \? 0 033 \) tel 0891 88 1950 \( uk n ireland \) 1550 111 442 \( eire \) cost 48p per min
km mathcs emory edu \( ken \) subject graphics text x \? organization emory university , dept math cs lines 17 distribution world reply km mathcs emory edu nntp posting host km sl cc emory edu graphics texts examples demos projects directly x \? last time taught course , used popular graphics text uses graphics package , implementations available x mac pc problem course students good programming artificial package , frustrated could n't really use skill work ken km mathcs emory edu preferred emory university rutgers , gatech ! emory ! km uucp dept math cs km emory bitnet non domain bitnet atlanta , ga phone voice \( 404 \) 727 , fax 727
howarth sbctri sbc com \( david howarth \) subject maybe next year hawks organization technology resources lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host mac howarth sbc com article 1993apr26 vax cns muskingum edu , jbrown vax cns muskingum edu wrote belfour played well , hardly saw offense hawk want know roenick far tell , right next bassen ! n't guys love people like come woodwork 8 \) david howarth howarth sbctri sbc com southwestern bell technology resources inc advanced technology laboratory 1010 pine , rm 635 st louis , mo
rexlex fnal fnal gov subject athiests hell organization fnal ad net lines 81 article may 11 02 36 29 1993 athos rutgers edu ptrei bistromath mitre org \( peter trei \) writes article may 9 05 38 49 1993 athos rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes much deleted point today might masons \( note , worshipped osiris egypt \) much deleted bugs see kind nonsense first , reasonable evidence linking masonry ancient egypt , even existed prior late 14th century \( 's nothing definitive 17th \) uncle 30 level mason let look books \( death brothers came took widow body even cooled \) n't tell n't worship osiris must past 20th level read wilkinson 's egyptians shows egyptian religion british masonry man laboratory 33 degree black mason 've talked , though much likes hide \( mystery \) special first started trying evangelize , told kinds special , special truely mystery religion public side mania hospitals side highest degree mason every learns second , worship osiris , ever , part masonic practice \( strictly non denominational \) n't read , literature offered silver haired apologist \( ca n't remember name \) tv , n't exactly come conclusion , son great goddess mother , seems represented full grown god babylonian divinity also represented frequently land e child mother 's way osiris , 'the son , husband mother , ' often exhibited , learn god , equally case , shows original none nimrod admitted secret system free masonry originally founded mysteries egyptian isis , goddess mother , wife osiris could led union masonic body mysteries , particular reference architecture , god worshipped celebrated success arts building \? , case , considering relation , already seen , egypt stood babylon , would naturally great patron masonic art \? strong presumption , nimrod must man first gained way child babylonian goddess mother , worshipped character ala , 'the god ' osiris , child egyptian , equally celebrated 'the strong chief buildings ' strong chief buildings worshipped egypt every characteristic nimrod already noticed fact nimrod , son , negro , tradition egypt , recorded plutarch , hislop like cold slap face , uncle brought dress leopard skin mean real leopard skin told highest degrees wore leopard skin \( reason started telling given couple months live wife led saving faith christ immediately repented lodge ! \) rod , leopard , rad subdue universal principle , high priest wears insignia god serves representation osiris usually show wearing leopard interesting druids also show , say hide , representation , however , worshipped spotted cow 'll stand statements masonry mystery religions find source babylon , great sorry peter , mean cold slap face much evidence contrary masonry n't find origins egypt masons personally talked , refered egypt origin separating many years ago , freely admitted \? rex
bense oasys dt navy mil \( ron bense \) subject 's rush \( fast \) distribution usa organization dis claim mine lines 12 article stdvax stdvax \( dirk \) writes still amazing germany cars traveling 155 mph 65 mph 3 4 lane road around washington dc ca n't keep traffic flowing 55 actually , 'd 155 mph 60 mph \( legal speed limit trucks \) two lanes , direction 's hell rush trucks fly \( flying \? cares , rush really something else , draft \) ron
albert tornado seas ucla edu \( albert e chou \) subject good aps experience organization school engineering applied sciences , ucla lines 31 thought 'd share good experience , bought aps quantum 240 zero footprint drive may '92 \( back still used two separate leds front panel case metal \) traveling \( se 30 mac bag , top mac \) past winter , one plastic tabs holding front panel broke , right side front panel coming forward away rest drive lived situation became completely intolerable \( less coincided network shutdown school trip town take , gave dead time drive sent \) called aps rma got one , questions asked tab got broken \( handled little roughly airline baggage handlers though nothing else damaged well , except internal speaker modem , n't well glued begin yeah , yeah , i'm never flying se 30 \) called back ask whether could send little later rather right away , problem even exceeded normal valid period rma day \( 're usually good 10 days \) front panel replaced warranty , drive shipped back quickly \( mailed first class insured saturday noon l missouri , came back fed ex friday n't know exactly day came back traveling week wednesday afternoon sunday afternoon \) thing could 've bad first service rep talked , attempt prevent data , suggested take drive mechanism send case unfortunately , discovered day mailing thing , would necessitate breaking little seal thus warranty ! oh , well al albert seas ucla edu
roeber vxcrna cern ch \( frederick roeber \) subject internet resources reply roeber cern ch organization cern european organization nuclear research distribution sci lines 39 article 1 cs cmu edu , stk1203 vax003 stockton edu writes taking course entitled exploring science using internet final project , find compendium internet resources dealing science related topic chose astronomy anyway , wondering anyone knew interesting resources internet provide information astronomy , space , nasa , anything like know world wide web \? global hypertext \( well , hypermedia \) network running internet one nice things understands incorporates virtually systems used , like wais , gopher , ftp , archie , etc usually quite easy add existing resources web 'd like explore , 'd suggest getting xmosaic program , written ncsa 's x windows web browser , pretty slick understand cope text gif , jpeg , mpeg , audio , etc , including text mode browser people stuck text terminal , i'm mosaic page world wide web virtual library subject catalogue \( available documents menu mosaic , browser via url info cern ch hypertext overview \) subject space science currently points page construction , nasa jpl ftp archive 've take page , fact replacement sorts information pointers \( mostly gleaned sci space faq \) soon overworked subject catalogue maintainer switches space science pointer , 'll visible 'll post short note happens frederick g roeber cern european center nuclear research e mail roeber cern ch roeber caltech edu work 41 22 767 31 80 r mail cern ppe , 1211 geneva 23 , switzerland home 33 50 20 82 99 sorry , baby , ca n't take pizza joint tonight , 've got go back lab split atom ayn rand , \?
aron ced berkeley edu \( aron bonar \) subject courier vs sportster organization university california , berkeley lines 23 nntp posting host ced berkeley edu article 1993apr20 dcss mcmaster ca , cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) writes perhaps silly question goes difference us robotics courier v32bis external sportster 14400 external \? see price sportster dramatically dropped 200 price courier remains 400 anyone knowledge modems anyone owns courier \? 'd really appreciate comments decide one buy thanks advance thanks replies us robotics info wanted kevin cis mcmaster ca 1 courier looks lot cooler \) 2 courier upgradable \( give usr money tho' \) 3 sportster able modified 16 8 dual standard \( want void totally piss usr \)
mulvey blurt oswego edu \( allen mulvey , suny , oswego , ny \) subject comtrade organization suny college oswego , oswego , ny lines 22 article 22apr93 enh nist gov , thacker enh nist gov writes anyone experience buying computers comtrade \? asked tc , got one reply describing problems returning defective hard drive expect problems comtrade \? thanks , thacker miami fl purchased one personal computer three business problems time called tech support minor question video driver problem getting four machines seem high quality well made 486dx50 eisa machine network file server running 24 hrs per day since last summer problems hope helpful allen mulvey mulvey blurt oswego edu
tom carter carter photon cem msu edu subject corrected origin package uploaded cica organization department chemistry , michigan state university lines 21 reply carter photon cem msu edu nntp posting host cem msu edu 've recently uploaded cica current \( v2 8 \) version working model origin , scientific technical 2d 3d graphics data analysis package windows 3 x working model 2d puts promo message , largely identical full version saving origin files disabled , save ascii data sets produced origin also says expiration date sept 1 , 1993 try may like , ! 's currently ftp cica indiana edu \( 129 79 20 17 \) directory pub pc win3 uploads zip file origin zip , unfortunately , incomplete \( sorry 'bout ! \) include std disclaimer tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state university carter bitnet chemistry department
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject hypodermic needle organization um anesthesiology lines 34 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxmessage id 38 86 214 141 addr arpa x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 15 47 15 gmt article eis calstate edu becky olsen , eis calstate edu writes hi , term paper syringe found information said charles invented hypodermic needle , also found alexander wood invented anyone know one , anyone else \? anymore information could please send thank much becky olsen looking evolution h armstrong davison \( pub williams wilkins , baltimore 1965 \) found following chronology 1853 charles gabriel \( 1853 \) , inventor , describes glass syringe syringe intended used special injecting chloride , thus heal 1853 alexander wood \( 1817 84 \) edinburgh invents hypodermic needle 's syringe use might also interested read experiments sir christopher , described philosophical transactions royal society using pig 's bladder injected , wine beer dogs mackie um anesthesiology disavow
jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) subject public private revelation \( formerly question virgin mary organization none lines 44 \( marty helgesen \) writes alleged private revelation attracts sufficient attention , church may investigate investigation indicates likelihood alleged private revelation fact god , approved means preached church however , still true one required believe came god catholic free deny authenticity even well attested strongly approved private revelations , fatima lourdes \( suspect catholics reject fatima lourdes , rejection mean orthodox catholics good standing \) may bit much say catholic free deny happened fatima 's bit strong , sort like saying catholic free deny hong kong exists catholic free deny truth fatima , without called heretic labeled things offense , heretic theologians make basic distinction far degree assent one must give events like fatima lourdes things revealed god jesus christ apostles must given assent due revelation god total fatima lourdes demand assent much well attested event human history perhaps bit , given approval church approval apparition church principally means whatever happened harmony catholic faith personally think private revelations lord 's way telling us particular periods history gave us doctrines , etc , 2000 years ago , always use help knowing exactly apply gave us catholic devotion sacred heart result series apparitions st margaret mary , example problem time extreme moral turning lord someone without heart fatima apparitions warning impending crisis church \( living \) , save souls possible situation
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days organization u toronto zoology lines 18 article 1993apr29 den mmc com starfighter den mmc com \( michael \) writes expect retrieving hst would involve considerably order return cradle cargo bay deployed items \( antennas , especially , solar \) probably retractable fully position , even hand , thing designed retrievable , pinch indeed , dictated rather odd design solar arrays , since retractable well extendable , may thus indirectly contributed array problems retrieval problems exactly stated would costly , would involve extensive \( worry someone finding reason launch \) , would unnecessarily expose telescope lot mechanical stresses possibilities contamination svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
subject help c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( c doelle \) lines 13 hello ! understanding true type fonts windows loaded prior starting windows makes getting windows quite slow hundreds first , correct thinking secondly , case get windows ignore boot maybe make something like pif file load enter applications need fonts \? ideas \? chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org \( 1 106 3333 26 \)
twain carson u washington edu \( barbara \) subject patti duke 's problem article shelley organization university washington , seattle lines 19 nntp posting host carson u washington edu article 1993apr26 hemlock cray com n3022 cray com writes anyone information struggles patti duke went personal life severe mood swings form chemical imbalance triggered problems \? recall wrote book troubles someone title book \? 's published two books illness call anna autobiography patty duke , patty duke kenneth turan , bantam books 1987 brilliant madness living illness , patty duke hochman , bantam books 1992 barbara
sadie cs sun ac za \( sadie hf \) subject looking article organization rhodes university , grahamstown , south africa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 19 urgently looking following article , cannot find anywhere local libraries john allen smith multi threaded x server x resource issue 1 , pp 73 89 , winter 1992 anyone tell find , much appreciate ! ! h f sadie departement computer science university stellenbosch south africa e mail sadie itu sun ac za
com \( james davies \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization cray computer corporation lines 15 article wcs rainier att com wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) writes still easy conceal super encryption , least inquisitors get ahold k key , take , presumably near real time \( worst case , escrow agencies provide u key local cops , still gets one side conversation per warrant , unless key used directions , suppose capstone version chip probably insist \) impression \( reading denning 's description clipper 's operation \) session key used directions encrypting message text , chip uses 's key encrypting session key law enforcement field , need know u key one phones involved decrypt messages directions
cas sbctri sbc com \( chris \) subject mouse systems driver mouse control dos window organization southwestern bell technology resources lines 12 nntp posting host sbc com anyone know animal mouse systems trackball would like driver device would allow use mouse within dos window way microsoft 's mouse driver works thanks , chris chris represent company way , shape form forum opinions comments represent opinions company opinions comments even merit consideration kind
ab961 freenet carleton ca \( robert allison \) subject frequent nosebleeds reply ab961 freenet carleton ca \( robert allison \) organization national capital freenet lines 37 previous article , mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) says article chevron com \( beverly zalan \) writes 6 year son plagued lots vaseline nose night seems keep control let get , 'll recur days ! also allergies , colds , dry air seem contribute , vaseline , ointment , seem keep recurring get , might want try canadian counter product called secaris , water soluble gel compared vaseline greasy , secaris seems compatible moisture 's already secaris reasonably inexpensive \( 6 00 cdn tube \) , indeed counter medication appear available us , n't know 's manufactured montreal 's nasal lubricant , intended help nosebleeds result dry mucous membranes replies original posting , 's evident people enough mucous keep nose lining protected environmental influences \( ie , dry air \) 've responses anyone experience rutin another newsgroup might specifics remedies \? thanks reply experiences robert allison
garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 44 article chinet chi il us , dhartung chinet chi il us \( dan hartung \) writes pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) writes fbi started fire , didn`t people flee burning building \? assuming fire caused lanterns stoves knocked tanks pushing walls \( would shake building pretty good \) perhaps n't flee fleeing would meant entering fire side \? like surrounded fire , rubble , finally \( combined teargas , combustion gasses \) overcame \? words trapped flames , heat , fumes rubble \? wait minute story pushed fire started one place consistent story trapped fire \( particularly building sudden many exits \) choose one , please fbi thought tear gas would force davidians least mothers children , \( fbi \) bother think effect tear gas young children fbi knew killed several children using tear gas \( assume fbi knew via listening devices \) fbi saw fire accidently break one end building , e g upset oil lamp fbi thought could finally force rest davidians also destroy evidence \( fbi \) killed children starting fire end fbi miscalculated many rest davidians made \? \? \? \? \? answer happened
alisonjw spider co uk \( alison j wyld \) subject translations organization spider systems limited , edinburgh , uk lines 22 article may 10 05 07 52 1993 athos rutgers edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes strong preference editions indent beginning verse verses paragraphs verse numbering relatively modern addition given undue prominence anyone know english language edition show verse \( even chapter \) numbers always thought edition would useful although hard navigate around scots nt n't show verse numbers , great read , particularly longer narrative passages , scots n't quite proper study edition tend use get feel story , particularly gospels , use english edition look details alison original neb put verse numbers margin jerusalem bible , though put dot mark boundaries verses clh
cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) subject funny thing happened dmv day lines 34 nntp posting host rowan edu organization rowan college new jersey saw posted brings interesting event mind article mdennie beryllium mdennie xerox com \( matt dennie \) writes reactions little boys seems enthusiastic wave \( also good see \) always wave see kid least noticed bike figure helps future sport admit usually try without parental figure noticing i`m afraid kid get yelled anti societal types like us weeks ago dmv ken standing mile long line waiting really bored looking person bunch people dough ken sitting chair next helmets wondering everybody looked social people would find young woman walked required came stood line watched fill forms noticed little kid 4 years old reach bench touch helmets , one time n't particularly mind , neither ken \( kid touching helmets \) helmets n't stable platforms , ken soon touched helmets , mother said child started kid stay away shit ! brutally head shoulders suppose scary sex drugs unix shirts sent bouts terror body
aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) subject \( sp \? \) fat free diet pregnancy ! ! organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 85 aldridge netcom com \( jacquelin aldridge \) writes decided come back amend quotes added comments heart access digex com \( g \) writes hi , started hurt lay right side , hurt matter position next , noticed ate greasy fatty foods felt like entire abdomen turned stone , pain area got worse however ate sauerkraut vinegar something fat n't much problem doctor says cholistatis , avoid fatty foods makes sense , already aware seemed cause effect relationship avoiding foods i'm still able eat foods cheese instance low fat foods doc wants non fat diet means meat except fish chicken w skin \( anyway \) nuts , fried food , cheese etc allowed skim milk said avoid anything sweet \( e g bananas \) also must one serving something high carbohydrates day \( potatoes , pasta , rice \) ! said ca n't even cook vegetables little bit oil eat vegetables raw steamed i'm concerned understand need fat diet help digestive process g one week , probably wants see react diet changes anything live diet need non fat calories pat butter , need medium apple \( probably microwave cooked \) smaller meals terrific amounts meat , 's hard digest anyway first , even fish , fat second , body make fat carbohydrates needs third , body , like peoples , n't bred live high fat , modern diet read texts ancient people read luxury eating fat , people enjoyed rare even cows n't put nearly amount milk comfort make carbohydrate meal last longer eat pasta rice give calories slowly rather bread corn maybe smaller meals may getting less room stomach area baby still coming starting push rub ribs \? tight clothes n't wearing clothing compresses middle sure suck stomach sitting , put pressure digestive tract try laying sides , back , stay positions many hours inactive easier legs \( circulation \) well might try letting baby turn least forced ribs last months 's easy baby end right diaphram , especially tight abdominal muscles second one think 'd tried loosen since n't turn sideways late relief enormous maybe doctor thing weight gain pregnancy maybe patients way especially 's young whatever problem might coming something avoided possible n't want become ill pregnant lucky work getting rid baby \( said doctors less surgery rest population , good part willing dieting , etc helps avoid surgery also , n't think surgery lets person go back eating high fat diet \) nausea , etc vary person person pregnancy first pregnancy miserable second little trouble articles said women nausea statistically better chance carrying baby \( grain salt \) good luck jackie
world std com \( paul c duggan \) subject hate sin organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 30 article may 12 04 27 07 1993 athos rutgers edu scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate begets hate , never love consider sin 'll leave unnamed since n't want digress argument whether something sin lets apply hate sin philosophy see happens truly hate sin , see , stronger hatred become eventually hate becomes strong become disgusted sinner eventually come hate sinner though assert , n't see necessarily case ca n't hate stay , \? says get disgusted start hating sinner admit happens , think say always hate perfect hatred \? summary law , christ commands us love god love neighbors n't say anything hate fact , anything , commands us save criticisms , christians supposed deal sin others \? suppose one way deal sin \( either others \) prayer certainly love even enemies amos 5 15 says hate evil love good ca n't contradict christ 's teaching think tie hate love emotional attitude , really considered objectively surely n't fly rage every sin see , hate \? paul duggan
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject gun like american express card organization stratus computer , inc lines 128 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article rpi edu , mercury ral rpi edu \( lee \) writes cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes something like 12 guns used crime us purchased legitimate dealers \( necessarily person used crime \) already much gun control 've seen mentioned number times i'm curious source statistic \? number bounces 2 18 , depending study quoted type gun studied cites recent batf study \( titled protecting america , yes \) surveyed 471 career criminals found 7 guns used violent crimes purchased retail dealers national institute justice research brief november 1986 armed criminal america james wright \( 1 \) legitimate firearms retailers play minor role direct sources handguns adult felony offenders one sixth gun owning felons obtained recent handguns customary retail transaction involving licensed firearms dealer remainder five six obtained via informal , record transactions involving friends associates , family members , various black market outlets means acquisition informal sources included cash purchase , trades , borrowing renting , often theft criminal handgun market overwhelmingly dominated informal transactions theft mechanisms supply independence issue paper 4 91 independence institute denver west parkway 101 golden , co \( 303 \) 279 gun waiting periods threaten public safety david b kopel basic problem waiting periods shown bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms study gun dealer sales des moines greenville study found one two percent sales dangerous criminals 51 short , waiting periods statistically noticeable impact type crime tiny fraction crime guns purchased retail buyers 51 bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms , assistant director criminal enforcement , memorandum director , july 10 , 1975 \( greenville survey 20 , 047 names submitted fbi record checks , 68 felony convictions , 41 represented counsel conviction committed crimes distant past twenty seven buyers prosecuted \) \( 1 3 buyers selected prosecution , 9 non violent felony convictions , 4 violent convictions \) bureau alcohol , tobacco firearms , assistant director criminal enforcement , memorandum director , may 8 , 1975 \( 374 records checked , 39 purchasers felony records appropriate prosecution age non violent nature felony six purchasers prosecuted \) independence issue paper 12 91 assault weapon panic political correctness takes aim constitution eric morgan david kopel testimony congress revealed assault weapons hands criminals obtained illegal channels 97 testimony consistent national institute justice 's research findings based studies felons state prisons nu study , authored james wright peter rossi found sixteen percent criminals obtained recent handgun gun store \( figures included purchases legal surrogates , rather directly criminal \) wright rossi , begun research firm proponents gun control , concluded set controls retail purchases , probably even full scale gun prohibition , would reduce criminal use guns wright rossi suggested lawmakers concerned gun crime directly target black market criminal guns , leave legitimate retail market alone 98 surprisingly , wright believes consequences current assault weapon legislation street violence likely ineffective 99 warns gun controls aimed ordinary citizens less likely reduce pool criminal guns provide organized crime lucrative new business 100 6 see , e g , anti drug , assault weapons limitation act 1989 rep 160 , , 1st 6 8 \( 1989 \) senate report \( introduced senator deconcini reduce semiautomatic firearms abuse drug violent criminals \) roos assault weapons control act 1989 , cal penal code \( west 1990 \) roos md ann code art 27 442 , \( 1989 \) \( placing greater restrictions 17 varieties assault weapons , providing punishments failure comply attempts evade \) 97 senate report , supra note 6 , 17 98 james wright peter rossi , armed considered dangerous survey felons firearms \( new york de , 1986 \) 99 lock load '89 , u news world rep , march 27 , 1989 , 9 wright also said , criminals get drugs want , get guns , id 100 james wright , second thoughts gun control , 91 public interest \( spring 1988 \) , 30 3 1 cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
distribution world alan j bmug org organization bmug , inc subject price drop c650 within lines 8 price 650 8 80 seems good would like know giving away secrets thanks , alan planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 179 article 1993apr23 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes sigh go actually , several 's stated definable skills would make hitter likely perform better clutch situations vs non clutch situations , however one might choose define clutch right define skill \? must \? say batting average predictor used judge two hitters likely get hit particular plate appearance , valid define skill hitting baseball \? 's 've said , except used smaller sample batting average clutch situations elsewhere thread sherri nichols repeats position batting average clutch situations meaningless statistic predicting future , entirely meaningless least meaning , n't know find say could predict future 've suggested statistic necessarily meaningless 's data situation non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 reds manager time , assume would basis letting sabo hit rather pinch hitting samuel i'm sure basis would utilized prior performance would n't used particular aspect prior performance correct \? 'll try avoid insulting 's difficult dismiss hundreds hours work n't pretend understand , nobody denying people hit well clutch past challenge find method predict hit well clutch future , , claiming since one time claim able predict future said accept data indication samuel would better chance success situation sabo dismissing work i'm stating opinion saying work renders opinion contrary invalid , retention opinion kind insult work fine plenty data obviously biases must coloring work , since know clutch hitting well defined consistent skill , failures withstanding challenge prove ! guarantee prove existance form clutch ability , plenty happy dancing around say clutch hitting well defined said data significant say consistent skill said indicator performance certain set circumstances n't going win support merely stating position claiming 'they stupid , must right' , big sigh ever called anyone else r b stupid nice , however , see consider possibility actually could biases yeah hindsight always 20 20 n't make bright \? stupid argument know ah knew could get name calling 's word like much suggestion \? take data 1990 1991 , attempt come method predicts hit well clutch 1992 works , attempt apply 1993 beyond wait minute thought first define clutch hitting , n't \? made strong statements back proven total idiot made two statements post 1 convinced conclusions regarding clutch hitting 2 would hit sabo 2 , many us make number written statements media think happen baseball i'm shy 'll make statement believe season 's end chris sabo 's batting average clutch situations significantly lower batting average non clutch situations ca n't prove happen , guess 'll wait see 's another one 1989 1991 joe carter 's batting average clutch situations significantly batting average non clutch situations year presume think random non clutch ab 411 h 259 clutch 338 ab 68 h 201 could expect 1992 mr carter \? well , composite ba 1989 268 1990 262 1991 263 , think pretty good idea kind batting average produce 1992 hit 264 surprising , huh \? also 1992 non clutch 536 ab 144 h 269 clutch 86 ab 20 h 233 , n't prove overall statistical trend used predict future performance across breadth major league ballplayers makes think 1993 joe carter 's batting average clutch going high ba non clutch situations 1 \( \) , plenty company john stats , inc editor scouting report wherein statistics regarding clutch hitting compiled , reported referenced text bill james makes numerous references player 's ability hit well clutch saying predict future \( others \) saying work renders statements \( mine \) meaningless n't accept , words proves total idiot stupid total idiot , hostility beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
daimi aau dk \( hans erik martino hansen \) subject commercials moon organization daimi computer science department , aarhus university , denmark lines 16 often thought , possible powerfull laser earth , light moon , show surface clearly see eyes new moon coca cola logo moon , easy way target billions people know possible \? erik hansen email daimi aau dk 69 aarhus university dk v denmark , europe
hollasch kpc com \( steve hollasch \) subject raytracing colours \? summary illumination equations organization kubota pacific computer , inc lines 44 cs uct ac za \( adrian \) writes incident ray \( \) strikes object point p reflected ray \( r \) transmitted ray \( \) calculated formulae calling routine r return colours along rays \( r \) object colour light source \( 1 n \) question combine , , 's get correct resulting colour return along ray \? first \( snide response \) , 're confused issue , stumble lot things well suggest weakness reference material get introduction ray tracing andrew glassner good coverage raytracing algorithm could also refer 2nd edition foley van dam question simple answer keep adding contributions maximum intensity example , intensity values range 0 0 1 0 , keep adding clamp resultant values 1 0 \( might clamp lower bound 0 0 dark bulbs , 's another issue \) , get illumination equation like \( light n \) contribution due reflection summed light intensity , light due transparency , slightly less hand waving illumination equation \( light n \) , component illumination equation governed material constants ka , kd , kr kt maximum get transparency given object , example , might 0 4 , 0 1 , 0 5 purple colored glass object hopefully answers question 'll forward illumination equation sermon also steve hollasch kubota pacific computer , inc hollasch kpc com santa clara , california
bob1 cos com \( bob blackshaw \) subject hamza salah , humanist organization corporation open systems distribution world lines 21 1993apr24 cs brown edu dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) writes cl056 cleveland freenet edu \( hamaza h salah \) writes well said mr beyer \) great humanist speaks one read mr salah 's posters , jews sons pigs monkeys , keeps promising final battle muslims jews \( trees cry muslims come kill jews hiding behind \) , makes jokes jews dying heart attacks etc , realize objective stance matters involved posting lies benjamin franklin talk politics misc seems mr salah stoop level \( climb \) spread hate danny keren reb
markm bigfoot sps mot com \( mark monninger \) subject car buying story , christ , another dealer service scam nntp posting host 223 250 10 7 reply rapw20 email sps mot com organization sps distribution usa lines 22 article 1993apr27 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com \( dan day \) writes article 1993apr16 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes go find invoice prices car , add reasonable profit dealer \( 200 300 \? \? \) , offer price stick whoa ! watch terminology dealer invoice dealer cost 's probably true 's closest 're going get actual dealer cost depends lot things even dealer probably n't know exactly factory kick backs , incentives , etc paid often depends volume end month quarter whatever might funny 's start , except sticker , anyone pays sticker price really ripped mark
ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) subject emm386 windows nntp posting host monica us oracle com reply ebosco us oracle com organization oracle corp , redwood shores ca x disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines 14 pc almost exclusively run windows dos based application config sys emm386 loaded option noems \( expanded memory \) following thread one comp newsgroups , read necessary emm386 loaded indeed , manual , says emm386 used get expanded memory extended memory since noems option , seems emm386 device useless case use emm386 remove config sys \? thanks help , eric
tzs stein2 u washington edu \( tim smith \) subject fbi director 's statement waco standoff organization university washington school law , class '95 lines 13 nntp posting host stein2 u washington edu cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes oh \? press \? batf fbi going shoot people leaving burning building , n't think would get rid press first \? oh , mean something like moving press back single location , 2 miles away compound \? press allowing n't count getting rid press getting rid press would mean getting far enough away would n't able see going tim smith
mit edu \( ed \) subject speed games \( marginally realistic \) reply davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com 's message 20 apr 93 18 12 45 gmt organization home organization lines 28 article 1993apr20 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com \( david madden \) writes another pair suggestions 1 remove balk rule runners responsibility stay safe matter pitcher 2 pitcher throws occupied base x time \( x 3 5 \) without successfully picking runner , runner advances base walked last suggestion probably increase number stolen bases considerably suppose pitcher uses \( n 1 \) n pick attempts runner probably stretch lead base , given extra pressure pitcher get right time would suggestion apply pick attempts per pitch , per batter , per base runner \( base \) \? dr edward j mit lincoln laboratory 's got going , rm j , po box 73 getting 's good lexington , harry chapin , greyhound \( 617 \) 981
sdd larc nasa gov \( steve derry \) subject hst antenna ok \? keywords hst hga reply derry larc nasa gov organization nasa langley research center , hampton , va usa lines 15 nntp posting host larc nasa gov x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 n't seen mention , goes hubble telescope first deployed , one high gain antennas able moved across full range motion suspected cable something operational procedures modified work around problem , later problems hga problem plan look affected hga hst repair mission , determine cause limited range motion \? affected hga still limited , capable full range motion \? steve derry derry larc nasa gov
ralf iqsc com \( ralf \) subject items sale , less ! ! organization iq software corp lines 24 items sale price listed best offer ! ! ! ! ! ! ! svga monitor 1024x768 non interlaced 14 screen , still warranty ! \( brand new \) 275 00 1200 baud compuadd modem box docs software 15 00 cga monitor cga parallel card 30 00 sco unix v3 2 2 unlimited user os , base extended utilities , uucp 125 00 turbo c turbo c complete reference book 15 00 serial card 1 serial port 10 00 joystick , three button 10 00 ide controller 2 serial , 1 parallel one game port 10 \( 210 \) 545 , ask ralf
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject vietnam deja vu organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 8 waco bar b q caused remember official explanation vietnam war 90s , liberal version necessary incinerate children order save clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
doc cs nyu edu \( tim tsai \) subject hawk motherboard x received usenet pa dec com id fri , 23 apr 93 17 15 48 0700 x received inet gw 2 pa dec com id fri , 23 apr 93 17 15 46 0700 x received doc cs nyu edu \( 5 61 1 34 \) id fri , 23 apr 93 20 16 02 0400 x comp sys ibm pc hardware usenet x followup poster x mailer elm version 2 3 lines 12 anybody ever heard hawk eisa vlb motherboards \? net computers international \( computer shopper \) 486 33 version w 256k cache 559 i'm trying decide motherboard nice motherboard thanks ! ps hawk motherboard 3 eisa slots , two vlb spec sounds identical nice tim cs nyu edu
stu vax1 acs jmu edu \( joseph w shelby \) subject x11r5 server decstation 5000 2 0 5 sans decnet organization james madison university x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 9 anybody built x11r5 server run personal decstation 5000 line ultrix 4 3 \? catch personal machines , install decnet onto , server gatekeeper requires replies welcome joe shelby stu vax1 acs jmu edu
jmichael vnet ibm com subject solvent duct tape adhesive lines 8 acetone likely damage carpet first solvent try denatured alcohol waste time rubbing alcohol use methyl alcohol instead denatured alcohol want cocktail removing goo , use pure grain alcohol \) alcohol work try carbon neither work may need try stronger solvent , alcohol works good luck jim
tcora pica army mil \( tom coradeschi \) subject v max handling request organization elect armts div , us army armt rde ctr , picatinny arsenal , nj lines 30 nntp posting host b329 gator 3 pica army mil jearls tekig6 pen tek com \( jeffrey david earls \) wrote ba7116326 ntuvax ntu ac sg writes hello anyone handson experience riding yamaha v max , pls kindly comment handling guy came race school last weekend number plates v max n't get 2 practice laps pushed frame hard drove guard rail back straight portland international 2 2 v v max handling \? btw rider conscious semi coherent ambulance carted 's know hate pick someone may seriously injured \( let 's hope \) , semi coherent sounds like good description someone shows track w vmax first place tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet like herd performing elephants diarrhea massive , difficult redirect , awe inspiring , entertaining , source mind boggling amounts excrement least expect gene spafford , 1992
grante aquarius rosemount com \( grant edwards \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host aquarius reply grante aquarius rosemount com \( grant edwards \) organization rosemount , inc lines 16 holfeltz lstc2vm stortek com writes know ready , pattern energy field significant , n't already know 've never even heard energy field care explain \? 's years since last fields class may forgotten \( maybe skipped day \) anyway , ross perot said , i'm ears well , eyes case grant edwards yow ! something violent rosemount inc going happen garbage \? grante aquarius rosemount com
connie acpub duke edu \( connie \) subject tempest cyclone info needed lines 38 nntp posting host ac duke edu attempt made authenticate sender 's name anyone information upcoming new computers \( cyclone tempest \) , need info anything would greatly appreciated shawn wkuvx1 bitnet according macweek 2 22 93 cyclone come metal case quadra 800 , tempest share low case centris 610 apple offer miniature video camera mounted user 's monitor moved end cable take pictures objects documents taking advantage 32 bit digital signal processor \( dsp \) built logic boards , camera able put image measuring 360 288 pixels , 256 gray levels , screen users able install supplementary lenses record detail fine wire bonds integrated circuit camera expected cost 150 250 systems ship software needed put apple 's casper voice recognition technology work users apparently purchase operational high fidelity microphone two models talk well listen new system facility called speech manager convert text strings sent applications pass speech synthesizer cyclone include 40mhz '040 , three nubus slots support 128mb ram tempest use 25mhz lc040 , lacking fpu , hold ram single slot require nubus adapter room 7 inch nubus cards users able update tempest 's process cyclone 's get 02 22 93 issue macweek
lhe sics se \( lars henrik eriksson \) subject universal phones days \? reply wd cs tu berlin de 's message 26 apr 1993 10 20 23 gmt lines 22 organization swedish institute computer science , article wd sam cs tu berlin de wd cs tu berlin de \( wolfgang diestelkamp \) writes article 1rg36hinnsr6 darkstar ucsc edu hugo cats ucsc edu \( hugo calendar \) writes i'm wondering tote american touch tone phone around sweden germany 's dc powered , buy special adapter europe question general electronics work buy different wall plug refit \( i'm sure 'd \) , would trick \? two things watch germany \( think holds sweden \) connections handle tone dialing , make sure phone set pulse dialing \( virtually \) swedish exchanges handle tone dialling many older exchanges modified accept tone dialling lars henrik eriksson internet lhe sics se swedish institute computer science phone \( \) 46 8 752 15 09 box 1263 \( nat'l \) 08 752 15 09 164 28 , sweden fax 46 8 751 72 30
loss fs7 ece cmu edu \( doug loss \) subject philosophy quest boldly \? organization electrical computer engineering , carnegie mellon lines 42 article 1993apr29 hemlock cray com bobo thejester cray com \( bob kierski \) writes number philosophical questions would like ask 1 \) encounter life form space exploration , determine capture , imprison , \? analog sf magazine article similar subject quite years ago question , alien spacecraft landed washington , c , proper organization deal state department \( alien ambassadors \) , defense department \( alien invaders \) , immigration service \( illegal aliens \) , department interior \( new non human species \) , etc much question perception aliens , anything intrinsic nature bibliography article cited philosophical paper \( name author sadly forget believe author italian \) constitutes legal moral person , e , entitled rights normally accorded person paper quite interesting , recall 2 \) encounter civilization suffering , expend resources earth help \? think 'd careful answer yes human track record helping poor cultures \( mean enough \? \) terrible usual result destruction radical culture may always wrong , 's way bet 3 \) deseases currently deadly undetectable , done ensure new deadly deseases n't brought back , deseases n't destroy life elsewhere \? day , \( \) bobo doug loss loss husky bloomu edu
eachus spectre mitre org \( robert eachus \) subject des code shipped canada \? reply strnlght netcom com 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 20 55 04 gmt nntp posting host spectre mitre org organization mitre corp , bedford , lines 40 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes believe illegal send cryptographic code country without export license \( others correct inaccurate \) glad ! correct , illegal send cryptographic code \( lots things \) country without license however , every us citizen general export license , allowing export lots things , including constitutionally protected speech effect legal us citizens export things illegal us corporation export without first obtaining license dunno 'd get one particular code way find apply license nope , talk good lawyer area export law , general , government good national security case try prevent export anything personally might wish publish \( yes , worded way intentionally lot easier government try prevent export information charge someone crime fact espionage probably exception \) note need distinguish legal send canada license , legal send n't us citizen , general license \( lawyer , take grain salt however , also swim itar export regs cases \) robert eachus standard disclaimer use standard disclaimer function message \( text clever ideas \) return better ideas
dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host dil adp unc edu organization unc office information technology lines 26 part usually gets set make money , usually things considered debated purpose life like stock prices sales particular product measures success measures short term long term success think ms case good measure long term success original post mentioned seems group large number people attacking ms willing accept anything positive ms trying make point attacks emphasized look sales ms products definitely tell different story also think large number attackers call highly technical look around real world people n't want grep auck ls l want push buttons get job done reasonably priced piece hardware need computer smart guy load configure etc etc like ms multitudes business applications exist run windows well running 150 pc 's loaded complete suite mostly ms windows applications administrative business function novell network running software server job quite well would pick windows repeat ms keep great job flame thx dave l
bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host okcforum osrhe edu organization okcforum unix users group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 30 kent sandvik \( sandvik newton apple com \) wrote article darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote 'd say one chooses observe observation interpreted significance 's given depends great deal values observer science human activity , subject potential distortion human activity myth scientists moral influence ethical concern , knowledge whole pure nature biases scientist , nonsense bill , wonderfully phrased assume understand statement also undermining human constructs religion well kent , 'll accept compliment although i'm always little paranoid visiting , thanks yes know extent statements , 's think human nature i'm sure undermines either religion atheism since claim special knowledge truth since claims always suspect , learn humans arrogant species point cannot ignore human nature examining human claims trick , find way abstract infinitely fallible nature whatever reality see see think way done bill
niepornt phoenix princeton edu \( david marc nieporent \) subject white black racism phillies organization princeton university lines 55 originator news nimaster nntp posting host phoenix princeton edu article 10 p00421 psilink com dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com writes dan campbell dan c jhunix hcf jhu edu article 1993apr11 1 ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes article apr 10 09 33 33 1993 pilot njin net , gajarsky pilot njin net \( bob gajarsky hobokenite \) writes 's hard working black players none 's lazy white players mcreynolds time passed , would posts like rickey driving boat drunk , killing one teammates \? would people say bonds , drunk skull , smashed car tree disabling , say , willie mcgee season \? tell would considered spoiled , lazy \( say \) awfully , assume read minds predict future makes sure would thinking things \? makes think 's lot people n't think crews god \? anyone dead mistake deserves sympathy , crews , , bonds , mcgee , rickey , , bother much two dead white men getting little sympathy \? would make feel better dead black baseball players \? beat dead horse , seem remember fair amount sympathy black fringe player named roberto clemente roy campanella anyone else may even liked players , dying young wiggins , alan \? 's besides point i'm sure people would feel slightly sympathetic rickey killed , would also criticizing lot actions example \? jose canseco \? gets couple speeding tickets , sudden attitude awful hell speeding tickets clubhouse influence anyway \? sportswriters talk time brian hunter keith mitchell \? dwi problems towards end last year \( two years ago \? \) cited sign immaturity , etc meanwhile , dykstra almost killed daulton , n't read complaining may talked bad phillies , never read anywhere criticism dykstra 's character \( daulton 's intelligence , matter \) based incident david nieporent one thing wrong theory niepornt phoenix stupid ! stupidest theory ever heard ! princeton edu baltimore orioles 93 's dangerous cult bds batf \?
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) organization university illinois urbana lines 113 prb access digex net \( pat \) writes wrote prb access digex net \( pat \) writes given described hst seemed smt , someone actually verified mass predominant constraint mission \? seem assuming without giving supporting evidence someone nasa posted significant mass margins hst boost mission back asked carry edo pallet , answer mass margins tight enough , n't even carrying extra suits much mass saved burning oms \? 's critical question data shows oms engines hold 10 , 900 kg propellant , substantial fraction going used first oms burn , reentry burn reserve pat , tell us much fuel altitude change going take , much edo pallet , bus 1 extra parts going mass make numbers work , 'll interested show us done , tell us much edo pallet , bus 1 extra equipment going cost \? quick test goldins philosophjy faster cheaper , better build real fast space tug , handle boost hst using clean cryo fuels , get ready hst mission pat , would slower , expensive worse 's wingo need \) come knock forget , skylab , overnight mission planning repair eva 's also intelsat mission , overnight simulations somehow think could train new eva 8 months first , astronauts certainly done evas minimal planning , n't like general rule second , remember intelsat 6 \? trying attach motor piece hardware n't designed trying shortcut training going make repeat likely third , n't eight months however much time left someone comes plan , shows work gets approved may think pessimistic attitude think 's realistic i'm saying engineering task impossible \( engineering tasks \) i'm saying neither cost effective feasible nasa management building hardware , anything built want bad enough forget , bus 1 already built 'd ahve soup , even test delta mission soup \? mean \? n't get mode besides , rate missions slip , discovery wo n't launch mission march 's almost year expensive proposal still requires shuttle everything going fire oms addition , 've added significant extra cost new piece complex hardware ah , much expensive second hst servicing mission second servicing mission contingency neither shown would necessary without plan would unnecessary plan forget , bum fgs , solar array electronics , getting still 8 months servicing mission , pat , n't forgotten smt avoid second servicing mission 's 500 million saved pat 's 500 million minus cost new hardware , minus cost extra want bring along , minus development costs , minus extra operating costs tanstaafl according gao report , two currently planned missions could use vehicle hst axaf since axaf since scaled back hst rely shuttle , n't seem need vehicle course , n't need saturn v apollo i'm sure reread 'll see argument problems aperture door , sure work way handle maybe plug made frozen ice \? 'll keep contamination , yet sublime away teh boost pat , messy less reliable device 's made perform task , also ignores point desire astronauts available door fails open , something done unless provide reliable way door , n't solved problem josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
cci dk \( henrik w nielsen \) subject help badmatch making 24bit win 8bit server ! ! organization cci europe , research development lines 72 i'm trying make 24 bit window using xcreatewindow 8 bit pseudocolor server far know possible server supports truecolor directcolor visual i'm using sun ipc card running xdpyinfo gives screen 0 dimensions 1152x900 pixels \( millimeters \) resolution dots per inch depths \( 4 \) 1 , 5 , 8 , 24 root window id depth root window 8 planes number colormaps minimum 1 , maximum 6 default colormap number visuals 8 default visual id visual visual id class pseudocolor depth 8 planes size colormap 256 entries red , green , blue masks 0x0 , 0x0 , 0x0 significant bits color specification 8 bits visual visual id class truecolor depth 24 planes size colormap 256 entries red , green , blue masks 0xff , , significant bits color specification 8 bits visual visual id class directcolor depth 24 planes size colormap 256 entries red , green , blue masks 0xff , , significant bits color specification 8 bits code looks like \( \( xio dspptr xopendisplay \( null \) \) null \) \( 1 , cannot connect x server , \( null \) \) xio scr defaultscreen \( xio dspptr \) use screen \( \( xio dspptr , xio scr , 24 , directcolor , \) \) memset \( setwinattrib , 0 , sizeof \( xsetwindowattributes \) \) xio xcreatewindow \( xio dspptr , rootwindow \( xio dspptr , xio scr \) , x , , w , h , 0 , 24 , inputoutput , , 0 , setwinattrib \) results badmatch error anyone please tell \? henrik nielsen ii basic development cc cci europe mail cci dk cc cc ii 9 phone \( 361 \) cc ii dk ii denmark e u r p e
cutter gloster via mind org \( cutter \) subject kill sword , must killed sword distribution world organization gordian knot , gloster , ga lines 36 sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes find extremely talk politically incorrect actions , forget actual tragedy think , imagine eight month old son dying flames kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net reached point society certain crimes heinous merely accused one considered guilty deemed natural rights much less civil rights among drug abuse , sexual perversion , political today accused koresh sex infants accused number differing crimes \( \) last two months , first time heard one heard child abuse somewhat stronger fairly obvious koresh hiding behind children considering apocalyptic dread , believed enough american people 's inherent goodness believe protected truly amazing people 60 days ago never heard branch davidian believe suicidal , crazy , child abuser danger others based solely government said remember people awful lot loose found screwed n't much lose david koresh followers lost society stands murder one heinous crimes cutter gloster via mind org \( chris \) jobs easy person n't holt 's law
macomber sctc com \( chuck macomber \) subject twins update 4 22 organization sctc lines 16 paul csd4 csd uwm edu \( paul r krueger \) writes article 1993apr23 sctc com macomber sctc com \( chuck macomber \) writes wednesday 's game marked first opposing left handed starting pitcher twins year \( rickey bones \) nice post chuck , made one mistake bones right handed pitcher however , hrbek 's grand slam came lloyd , lefty mistake chuck
veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject batf initiating violence sources \? lines 20 organization university tennessee division continuing education article rose hp com k hprnd rose hp com \( steve kao \) writes 've long since lost newspaper magazine article mentions batf said tossed grenade instead knocked door serve search warrant bd compound anyone references \? i'm looking periodicals newspapers dates copy article needed , would n't mind seeing posting e mail fine associated press article monday march 1 , believe , quoted witnesses describing batf agents throwing grenades prior gunfire part davidians among first crop different , mutually exclusive descriptions david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) subject lds birth church reply geb cs pitt edu \( gordon banks \) organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines 22 article acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) writes church admit right except one associated makes witnesses , decide case , seeing unlike church christ , existed former days ! \( p 31 \) idea apostacy originate lucy smith joseph smith mormons idea restoration quite common early 19th century usa alexander campbell , founder group survives name disciples christ preached primitive church lost attempting restore \( although revelations \) many subsequently became mormons , including co founder sidney actually , find sentiments many early protestants reformation , martin luther gordon banks n3jxp skepticism chastity intellect , geb cadre dsl pitt edu shameful surrender soon
hotopp com \( daniel hotopp \) subject drivers diamond viper card organization electronic systems group , baltimore , md lines 13 've away couple weeks become touch latest information diamond viper card anyone know diamond come vesa driver updates lately \? also , wondering latest windows driver version thanks advance , dan daniel hotopp internet hotopp com antenna microwave integration \( w \) vax tron hotopp electric corp voice \( 410 \) 765
crphilli hound dazixca ingr com \( ron phillips \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? nntp posting host hound reply crphilli hound dazixca ingr com organization intergraph electronics , mountain view , ca distribution usa lines 22 article world std com , rjk world std com \( robert j kolker \) writes thank remembering insane act sanctification g 's name extreme denial tyranny possible day officers \( isreal defense force \) take oath fortress lo matzadah matzadah fall ! anymore ! recent archaeological inspection site presents pretty compelling evidence mass suicide masada never occured evidence compelling tha long hold secret ceremony fortress ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice \( 415 \) 691 6473 mountain view , ca 94041 fax \( 415 \) 691 0350
ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 33 nntp posting host almaak usc edu wcsbeau superior carleton ca \( opirg \) writes n't think idea means think everyone earth subject ad agency 's poor taste abomination well , already suffer street n't watch tv , free commercials , want go b cannot escape beer ads us loathe 'd rather beauty night sky always marred giant billboard , 'll bet idea virtually sacrilegious astronomer like sagan think right time stop proposal idea goes , 's thin end wedge soon companies larger , , billboards sky would n't want world decades sky looks like las vegas would really make sad coca cola company want paint moon red white \( well , moon , moon jupiter \) want name galaxy draw line \? historically mankind good drawing fine lines i'm normally extremely enthusiastic forms resource allocation space research think 's important investment possible mankind long run way get money ans ajay shah , \( 213 \) 749 , ajayshah usc edu
david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu subject abortion private health coverage letters regarding organization misc student , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 8 1993apr21 desire wright edu nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr21 desire wright edu 21 apr 93 abortion private user boomer desire wrig writes courts found ok charge women less auto insurance , 's illegal charge health insurance \( live longer \) make pay retirement funds legal arena n't 100 consistent gender issue pa recently gender auto insurance removed point
aurora alaska edu subject hacker ethic go \? lines 46 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks great many computer programmers read dr dobb 's journal recent issue , paragraph article greatly read said 's nothing wrong microsoft setting standards computer industry industry needs ibm 90 's hacker ethic gone \? cracker ethic , something entirely different bad , hacker ethic , tells us value free distribution information yield hands imperative \? people corporations like bill gates , ibm , intel able virtual dead lock computer industry \? , person like posts messages usenet get little , , computer system , given useful information know , \? \( completely ignored \) people like steve jobs abandon efforts make truly innovative products \? ask call hackers , \? , let go \? fact computer industry changed world , shall continue long time come allowed propagation information volume unheard even twenty years ago , made world even smaller shudder think world like corporations allowed way , perpetuating drivel like 286 , windows , ibm product line computer using public say business per se people profit innovative , intelligent , creative designs bother fact , applaud american way manage sell , systems public , profit , ones problem , unfortunately , enough money make blunt stupidity , keep long time put thus hacker ethic gone \? still exists , \? , exist , call hackers allowing perpetuate \? creating new , innovative , interesting ideas stop sos maintaining choke hold computer industry \? await interest probably resounding silence acad3 alaska edu revenge dish best served cold szechuan death khan singh star trek ii wrath khan
jrm elm circa ufl edu \( jeff mason \) subject jeff mason 's auction organization univ florida psychology dept lines 115 nntp posting host elm circa ufl edu summary tuesday , april 27 update following comics auction highest bid takes ! near mint mint condition ! title minimum current alpha flight 51 \( jim lee 's first work marvel \) 5 00 aliens 1 \( 1st app aliens comics , 1st prnt , may 1988 \) 20 00 krism sold amazing spider man 136 \( intro new green goblin \) 20 00 amazing spider man 238 \( 1st appearance hobgoblin \) 50 00 archer armstrong 1 \( frank miller smith layton \) 7 50 avengers 263 \( 1st appearance x factor \) 3 50 bloodshot 1 \( chromium cover , bwsmith cover poster \) 5 00 sold cyberrad 1 \( cyberrad , prestige silver edition \) 15 00 daredevil 158 \( frank miller art begins \) 35 00 dark horse presents 1 \( 1st app concrete , 1st printing \) 7 50 detective 657 \( azrael appears , intro cypher \) 5 00 detective 658 \( azrael appears \) 4 00 harbinger 10 \( 1st appearance h r corps \) 7 00 b matthey sold h r corps 1 5 00 incredible hulk 324 \( 1st app grey hulk since 1 1962 \) 7 00 incredible hulk 330 \( 1st mcfarlane issue \) 15 00 incredible hulk 331 \( grey hulk series begins \) 11 00 incredible hulk 367 \( 1st dale keown art hulk \) 15 00 incredible hulk 377 \( 1st new hulk , 1st prnt , keown \) 15 00 marvel comics presents 1 \( wolverine , silver surfer \) 7 50 marvel presents \( charleston chew giveaway , sam keith \) 5 00 maxx limited ashcan \( 4000 copies exist , blue cover \) 30 00 mr 1 \( signed advance copy , 10 , 000 exist \) 10 00 new mutants 86 \( mcfarlane cover , 1st app cable cameo \) 10 00 new mutants 100 \( 1st app x force \) 5 00 new mutants annual 5 \( 1st liefeld art new mutants \) 10 00 omega men 3 \( 1st appearance lobo \) 7 50 omega men 10 \( 1st full lobo story \) 7 50 power man iron fist 78 \( 3rd appearance sabretooth \) 20 00 power man iron fist 84 \( 4th appearance sabretooth \) 15 00 simpsons comics stories 1 \( polybagged special ed \) 7 50 spectacular spider man 147 \( 1st app new hobgoblin \) 12 50 spider man special \( giveaway , vs venom \) 10 00 star trek next generation 1 \( feb 1988 , dc mini \) 7 50 star trek next generation 1 \( oct 1989 , dc comics \) 7 50 trianglehead 1 \( special limited edition , autographed \) 5 00 web spider man 29 \( hobgoblin , wolverine appear \) 10 00 web spider man 30 \( origin rose , hobgoblin appears \) 7 50 wolverine 10 \( claws , 1st battle sabretooth \) 15 00 wolverine 41 \( sabretooth claims wolverine 's dad \) 5 00 wolverine 42 \( sabretooth proven dad \) 3 50 wolverine 43 \( sabretooth wolverine saga concludes \) 3 00 wolverine 1 \( 1982 mini series , miller art \) 20 00 wonder woman 267 \( return animal man \) 12 50 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , x force card \) 20 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , shatterstar card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , deadpool card \) 10 00 x force 1 \( signed liefeld , bagged , sunspot gideon \) 10 00 comics near mint mint condition , bagged shiny polypropylene bags , backed white acid free boards shipping 1 50 one book , 3 00 one book , free order large enough amount stuff willing haggle thousands thousands comics , please let know 've looking , maybe help geoffrey r mason jrm elm circa ufl edu department psychology mason webb psych ufl edu university florida prothan maple circa ufl edu
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks kingston fired ! ! ! organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 16 nntp posting host apple com nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes initially supposed play russian wc team \( anybody know happened \? \) yeah , finally came agreement contract soon ink dry , suddenly decided kansas city neat place \( ergo , want play national team bargaining chip \) chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject according r , armenians jews blatantly lying \? reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 370 article galaxy ucr edu raffi watnxt08 ucr edu \( raffi r kojian \) writes sedar , , second quote sahak melkonian frankly invented love well , could head n't screwed right ever happen , look window see non fascist x soviet armenian government east soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul power tear away veil illusion us create certainly possible severe artificial life support system imagined 'ethnic purity' us falsely trust structure support heart beats alien land \( sahak melkonian 1920 preserving armenian purity \) going lie invent quotes least use right date sound like asala sdpa arf idiots clowns crooks prefer imagine u ambassador bristol armenian jewish scholars trying mislead 'arromdians' , guest typical armenian clown source u library congress general correspondence container 34 dashnaks x soviet armenian government power everything world keep pot boiling attacking kurds , turks tartars committing outrages moslems massacring moslems robbing destroying homes last two years armenians russian caucasus shown ability govern especially ability govern handle races power source general bronsart wrote follows article july 24 , 1921 issue newspaper deutsche since moslems capable bearing arms turkish army , easy organize terrible massacre armenians defenseless people , armenians attacking sides rear eastern army paralyzed front russians , attacking moslem folk region well source john dewey , turkish tragedy , new republic , volume 40 , november 12 , 1928 , pp 268 269 armenians boasted raised army one hundred fifty thousand men fight civil war , burned least hundred turkish villages exterminated population armenia soviet republic 1920 ! ! ! sorry burst little bubble clown let us ask armenian scholars shall \? source hovannisian , richard g armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia 130 , 000 square miles estimated population entire region 1886 4 , 700 , 000 , 940 , 000 \( 20 percent \) armenian , 1 , 200 , 000 \( 25 percent \) georgian , 2 , 220 , 000 \( 45 percent \) moslem latter group , 1 , 140 , 000 tatars paradoxically , barely one third transcaucasia 's armenians lived erevan guberniia , christians constituted majority three seven uezds erevan uezd , administrative center province , 44 , 000 armenians compared 68 , 000 moslems time russian census 1897 , however , armenians established scant majority , 53 percent , guberniia risen 1916 60 percent , 670 , 000 1 , 120 , 000 inhabitants impressive change province 's ethnic character notwithstanding , , eve creation armenian republic , solid block 370 , 000 tartars continued dominate southern districts , outskirts ereven border persia \( see also map 1 historic armenia map 4 administrative subdivisions transcaucasia \) 1920 , '0' percent turk closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 quote , would love know source say source men like leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company , indianapolis \( 1926 \) \( 305 pages \) \( memoirs armenian officer participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) example , camped one night half ruined tartar mosque , habitable building destroyed village , near border persia russian armenia course evening asked ohanus could tell anything history village cause destruction matter fact way replied , yes , assisted sack destruction , witnessed slaying whose bones saw day scattered among ruins p 202 \( first second paragraphs \) closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead p 15 \( second paragraph \) tartars , part , poor lived villages cultivated small farms many continued way life nomadic forefathers drove flocks herds valley valley , plain mountain , mountain plain , following changed seasons ranged salt desert shores caspian sea far mighty caucasus mountains even village tartars primitive people , see armenians frankly despised tartars , , holding disproportionate share wealth country , regarded treated fact russians looked upon armenians much way armenians regarded tartars , far proving bond racially different neighbors , intensified attitude conduct part served exacerbate hostility p 20 \( second paragraph \) men armed , gathered together advanced tartar section village lights houses doors barred , tartars suspected happen great fear men hammered doors , got response whereupon smashed doors began carnage continued last tartar slain throughout hideous night , home terror , unable shut ears piercing screams helpless victims loud shouts men morning work finished p 109 \( second paragraph \) things , members party without administrative experience consequently government instituted quickly proved incompetent rule legitimate means members government working secret outside law became legally instituted , recognized governing body destiny armenia hands , proved incompetent better resume terrorist tactics characterized fight russian turkish governments outlaw days outstanding feature rule , power , , old days , trial execution without hearing man displeasure government official would tried condemned without arrest preference charges method execution government walk behind condemned man home street , place pistol back head blow brains simple way getting rid undesirable view government soon became common way paying debts p 203 \( first paragraph \) soldier succeeded driving bayonet tartar saw point weapon emerge back another soldier seized rock pounded tartar 's head armenian bayoneted sprang feet , weapon tartar 's body , , raising lips , clean blood , russian , ! ! ' \( sweet \) p 203 \( second paragraph \) one evening passed tartar village among ruins fire burning went fire saw seated group soldiers among two tartar girls , mere children girls ground , crying softly suppressed lying scattered ground broken household furnishings tartar peasant homes also bodies dead p 204 \( first paragraph \) soon asleep night awakened persistent crying child arose went investigate full moon enabled make way revealed wreck litter tragedy enacted guided child 's crying , entered yard house , judged appearance must home turkish family corner yard found women dead throat cut lying breast small child , girl year old p 118 slowly train along snow , cart loads boys ran along line , encouraging shrill tartar cries , beasts sticks carts , women , veiled tartar way , held children arms wrapped huddled among goods burdened carts sought protection wind cold old men plodded along foot across road barrier thrown leading reached barrier halted gunmen concealed among rocks opened fire women children scrambled carts , screamed , ran sought vainly safety massacre complete armenian soldiers near barracks , hearing firing turmoil , scene day abandoned tartar quarter completely destroyed p 192 great swarms peasants come hiding places retreat turks followed army advanced entered city army immediately began plundering stores left turks p 193 terrible vengeance taken upon tartars , kurds turks villages destroyed slain driven country p 195 fanatical dashnacks hated turks others order diminishing intensity tartars , kurds russians p 218 \( first second paragraphs \) russian troops terrible things turkish villages armenians spare tartars persisted , slaughtering prisoners , looting , rape massacre helpless become commonplace actions expected accepted matter course scenes massacres dead lay ground , numbers , like fallen leaves forest helpless defenseless sheep died soldiers die heat battle , fired courage , weapons hands , exchanging blow blow died helpless must , hearts brains bursting horror worse death p 133 \( first paragraph \) movement took us three thousand turkish soldiers captured russians left hands russians abandoned struggle retreat two thousand poor devils cruelly put death sickened brutality displayed , could make effective protest , mercifully , shot many burned death method employed put quantity straw hut , hut turks , set fire straw p 19 \( first paragraph \) tartar section town longer existed , except pile ruins destroyed inhabitants slaughtered fate befell tartar section p 22 \( second paragraph \) many men served russian army , trained soldiers armenians rich possessed arms tartars never received military training poor , possessed arms beyond knives shortly killing tartars village , revolution russia suppressed p 97 \( third paragraph \) within years , following beginning movement , invisible government armenians armenians established turkish armenia armed opposition turkish government secret government courts laws army called \( professional killers \) enforce decrees p 98 \( first paragraph \) dashnacks continual open rebellion turkish government p 98 \( third paragraph \) dashnacks engineered general revolt armenians turkish armenia mistaken belief european nations would intervene secure independence turkish armenia p 99 \( second paragraph \) dashnacks fanatics p 99 \( third paragraph \) dashnacks took advantage situation extended revolutionary activities russian province instituted campaign terrorism employed threats force securing contributions party funds rich armenians wealthy man would assessed stipulated sum refusal pay brought upon sentence death every member party pledged carry orders without question man assassinated , lots might drawn select executioner job might assigned one party p 130 \( first paragraph \) moments victory turks kurds tartars , armenians seeking vengeance p 130 \( third paragraph \) city scene confusion terror early days war , russian troops invaded turkey , large numbers turkish population abandoned homes fled russian advance p 159 \( second paragraph \) made cannon , huge gun lift required four men made balls cannon armenians could knock tartar houses able drive tartars p 181 \( first paragraph \) tartar villages ruins p 189 \( third paragraph \) dead tartar lay head pool mud blood , beard still need go \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject need advice ! \( i'm new rider \) organization louisiana tech university lines 41 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1993apr21 bsu ucs 00cjmelching leo bsuvc bsu edu writes important question n't able find answer 've asked mechanics others , one really give answer satisfies bought brand new kawasaki ninja 250 first time buyer well first time rider bike seemed satisfy needs may reason n't know answer question tachometer sticker right says first 500 miles go 4 , 000 rpm 's , next 500 miles , n't go 6 , 000 \( referred break period n't know \) well , , would never going 35 mph even 6th gear ! ! ! question , hurt new cycle take 6 7000 rpm range least go speed limit \? \? \? \? information could give would greatly appreciated ! ! ! ! send reply account , 'd like , back net thank much taking time read reply chris go speed limit long salt , ar n't gonna yer ride would n't ride dod minimum 500 miles , hell , good weekend ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject quadra clock chip followup keywords quadra , clock , oscillator article shelley organization university washington lines 3 nntp posting host carson u washington edu also moved 66 6 mhz clock thus far problems i'm 've q700 run 35 4 mhz \( cpu clock speed \) using vso 25 mhz rated daystar got hot 32 mhz would fail previously glued piece aluminum stock hi speed ram chips runs cool without problems 33 3 mhz combination faster q950
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject waco burning nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 42 article blue cis pitt edu jagst18 pitt edu \( josh grossman \) writes article acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes necessarily body denatured \( cooked \) dehydrated due heat , projectile needs minimal kinetic force penetrate fire , bodies tend fall apart loose large chunks meat little effort medical examiners tend like cleaning scenes , body suitably cooked , bullet comming magazine explosion would likely enough force enter thus would difficult determine whether bullet entered time death , much later , unless trained look evidence texas rangers p vasilion quite , bullet hitting burned body little energy show virtually , ie hollow point probably would expand , would also bullets marked lands barrel , n't come one good pathologist able notice right away let us hope 's handle bodies competent ones jfk 's body jag speaking 's fbi said fire victims found face fire victims , apparently , usually found face suggesting died prior fire says , word , bullshit , victims face fbi says sent body victim shot , supposedly bd guards , says , word , bullshit , body showed evidence gunshot wounds atf fbi tell difference truth \? wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
unix amherst edu \( james henry \) subject wanted cassette cd nntp posting host amherst edu organization amherst college x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 lines 14 good r b group came 1988 called bought cassette single fell love 've tried find lp cd success whatsoever wondering whether anyone netland heard song hit charts called tribute thanks ! jay amherst edu amherst edu
diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) subject adobe photo shop type software unix x motif platforms \? organization diablo creative reply diablo uucp ! cboesel \( charles boesel \) x mailer uaccess lite macintosh release 1 6v2 lines 14 article world std com \( sci image processing , comp graphics \) , wdm world std com \( wayne michael \) writes searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix x motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop mac stuff deleted understand adobe working making photoshop available sgi indigo , rumor would n't bet see going release illustrator sgi real soon charles boesel diablo creative pro con cboesel diablo uu holonet net 's opposite progress \? 1 510 687 \( work \) else , congress
hamlet ucdavis edu \( \) subject stage set organization computing services , uc davis lines 26 srinivas writes people 's current govt get thrown , 'll find way getting us un short cut process hasten , sets bad precedent us interfere everywhere \? right doorstep cuba \? precisely , cuba \? \? \? \? \? ruled thugs elected leader asked support reestablish peoples u democracy wishes , perfect right help without whining parties turns colonialism poeple n't like , find way throw implicit assumption outsiders right sit judgement another people , act , roots old colonial attitudes lie today , motives noble tomorrow , may ever said people commit genocide right commit genocide \? \? want world criminals agains humanity place hide , want special designed protect nobody right commit crimes humanity , loose right self determination classical colonialism ,
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject death penalty \( political atheists \? \) organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 23 article 4mt darkside osrhe uoknor edu , bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote fascinating atheists argue abortion , defend homosexuality means population control , insist values biological condemn war capital punishment according benedikt , something contardictory , cannot exist , case means atheists suppose would like understand atheist object war \( excellent means controlling population growth \) , capital punishment , i'm sorry logic escapes capital punishment , questioned , propriety killing punishment \? basis \? bill , ever heard secular humanism \? please check stands , revise statements cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
thyagi cup portal com \( thyagi morgoth nagasiva \) subject ceci 's rosicrucian adventure \) organization portal system \( tm \) distribution world lines 112 tony writes let 's start name rosicrucian took long time come conclusion difference member rosicrucian body rosicrucian say met 'rosicrucians' mean members group calls rosicrucian least observation suggests \) response makes much sense also true religions difference member group people call actually social groups tend make important requirements belonging find ideal described holy texts religions interpreted similar ways one could presume core every religion huxley 's great secret core mystical tony 'd prefer would stated front lectorium rosicrucianum , may confused , readers newsgroup , rosicrucian order amorc based \( usa jurisdiction \) san jose , ca rc org members \( last time looked \) course , members necessarily mean best response certainly true n't know groups called 'rosicrucians' n't associate amorc sure , 've heard golden dawn rosae crucis relation western esoteric groups , n't heard 'rosicrucians' 'll admit bias live san jose tony 'll trust tell lecture class whatever presented amorc , unlikely would impression , e , 'd probably positive impression likely negative one , imho response may slightly 've met rosicrucians couple friends amorc stories 've heard slight contact 've give hope 'd received kind warm welcome still like think people involved relationships \( , religion , etc \) deep pain hope heal within tony curious know 3 rc \( usa \) claim non sectarian response 'd like know least addresses call 'rosicrucians' especially like masons , require member god \? tony n't see nothing fundamentally wrong us containing something divine yes n't like phrases like eternal bliss either ! \) response let alone us something divine tony btw , read intro letters lrc mail free charge response addresses , phone numbers groups \? i'm networking thanks love ! ! ! ! imagination important knowledge albert einstein thyagi nagasiva \( \) \( \) thyagi abyss com house 871 dr san jose , ca 95125 divination web telnet seismo soar cs cmu edu
admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu \( steve c liu \) subject let 's play name game ! organization homewood academic computing , johns hopkins university , baltimore , md , usa lines 30 distribution world expires 5 9 93 nntp posting host jhunix hcf jhu edu summary never change 's somebody wrote changing team names ! post choices ! 'll start baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes shawn go rangers ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! baltimore baseblazers \? hell come \? orioles base stealing team except anderson besides would never call anything baltimore orioles \? ballpark \( spelling error \? \) correct baltimore orioles place bet thought bird oriole 's bird named lord baltimore maryland founded 're called baltimore orioles post joke care non 's fan thinks us \? still wonder baseblazers came san diego padres , 's name needs changed used \? father ie priest father ie parents \? admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu 1993 world champions baltimore orioles \? series yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals bangles greatest female rock group ever existed ! sig brought frungy ! sport kings ! god man , drilling holes head answer ! dr mccoy
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject krillean photography organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 37 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org , gpivar maestro mitre org \( greg \) writes article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes think 's correct spelling looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures i'm thinking education suppliers schools might appartus sale , n't know companies info greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps bill oz bill , flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
glouie oasys dt navy mil \( george louie \) subject pennsylvania insurance , limited tort option reply glouie oasys dt navy mil \( george louie \) distribution usa organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 18 hey , i'm looking buying new car , i'm confused insurance coverage also applies existing car insurance policy anyone understand limited tort option means lower rates opt , expensive opt \? \( layman 's terms please \) \? good deal ignore \? i'm type sue anyone drop hat type report every little ding insurance company vandalism claim please help thanks advance george
dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host dil adp unc edu organization unc office information technology lines 15 microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway really come cares hope ms keeps best getting usable productive software masses thx dave l
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject peace talks nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 38 article 1993may13 nysernet org astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) writes seems , keep peace talks going , israel keep making goodwill gesture goodwill gesture , palestinian arabs continue go around hunting jews know putting something like newsgroup going generate flames , discussion try adding substance issue gestures mentioned peace talks going realistic chance success , arabs going start , especially since ones getting tangible concessions return giving intangibles feel israel offered gesture \? would \( realistically \) expect see presented arabs palestinians way gesture \? keep trying change already agreed upon rules , seems one favorite games , israelis likely confident intangibles receive bargaining table worth 're written rules bent arab actions \? would seem israeli deportations seen side example changing rules takes two negotiate peace 's time arabs start share alan h stein astein israel nysernet org tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
othello ucdavis edu \( \) subject dx50 vs dx266 organization computing services , uc davis lines 27 article usenet ins cwru edu ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) writes arnolm2 aix rpi edu \( matthew richard arnold \) subject dx50 vs dx266 date wed apr 21 19 55 12 1993 would someone willing explain 486dx 50mhz popular \? would think would fast , faster 486dx 66mhz certian applications plus , 50mhz motherboard would seem better plans upgrading chip future must missing something , since everyone buying dx2 66 many adds n't even mention dx 50 thanks lot , matt yes realy simple , one makes mother board runs bus 33mhz sam n't quite true depending number local bus slots , whether device integrated mother board , possible run local bus 40 50 mhz 've also spoken people run standard local bus video cards 50 mhz without trouble \( couple people could n't get lb card work speed \) brian ucdavis edu
perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) subject israel apartheid state nntp posting host qso colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 288 article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes article ag7 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes want convince anyone usenet , real world read opinions others subject , sometimes present opinion think net useful exchange ideas never wanted want convince anyone anything fine opinion n't convincing anyone , 's getting refuted regularly facts \( case \) , n't likely opinions need revision \? said , want convice anyone , , opinions convince anyone \? believe opinions refuted facts n't paying attention arguments levelled , first , repeat , never said idea jews right state racist zionism , movement , idea word utter complete horse puckey look term dictionary maybe youy view dictionary problem one thing accepted meaning word dictionary , sometimes completely different thing word came mean long time hey , think dictionaries \? quite obviously need one good dictionary gives , well know think zionism way defines jew , example , racist like ok , would define way , 're wrong definition among zionist movements know case , 's pointed net directly , yet continue maintain delusion ok tell many people zionist movements define jew different way , many define jew based religious way n't think data exist directly way believe irish right nationalism support bombing killing ira , believe jews right nationalism support zionism right comparing actions israel ira like comparing us chile pinochet \( example \) , ira role pinochet really need get history straight also need basic dictionary need start reading answering point movement claims nationalistic , mean consider nationalistic israel ira think starting put words mouth wrong problem defining zionism one movement implying monolithic know never case stuff deleted pinkas statement , responding , asserted zionism uniform monolithic never said zionism monolithic going attribute things , present quotes said n't say directly implied , showed explicitly implied 're trying wo n't wash , know makes basis zionist movements however , considering , rest word n't believe words tell different story especially since based fact , innuendo misrepresentation problem could certainly interpret like running arguments first , put words mouth , , say ot believe 's , , running arguments makes interesting point people living jewish state shown jewish culture includes jewish religion , jewish people living jewish state shown us problems state 80 people secular judaism define according religious standards , marriage religious stage , law return defines jew according religious standard , n't ! nowhere law return demand one must religious even believe g become citizen israel n't try reading change \? say law return demand person religious \? , law return define jew \? said uses religious standard mother jew , jew , mother jewish , neither twist words , please said judaism defined according religious standards several different meanings , know one meanings say religious defined jews another say meet religious definition jew one others i'm twisting words i'm trying make aware words n't mean think true , debates israel abroad jew \? , debates taken religious secular would say religious people say \? would deny right free speech \? talking debate talking things right debate , 'll see happens right , things like let ask one thing understand israel citizenship nationality suppose \( ale \) f \( \) child israel nationality child 's id show , according one following cases actually , n't citizens' rights exactly cases , anyway \) f jewish jewish b \) f jewish c \) f muslim jewish \) f christian jewish 'll depend religion practiced house original law return would still admit person jewish , memory serves e \) f non jewish jewish israelis believe god never become non jews \? still define jew based religious definition \? 's called history think jews stuck together pogroms millenia europe \? know one think change order descent less legit \( religious jew 's point view \) 's plenty room zionism well know called history point ok , believe , 's valid , far see according webster 's ninth new collegiate dictionary , merriam webster inc , publishers , springfield , massachusetts , u , 1986 , page 593 , hy ri sy one believe one , saying one believes zionism simple matter people right nationalism , disregarding right palestinian people , according dictionary , hypocrisy utter baloney way , believe palestinians right self determination , stated net , know 've seen interesting know \? ever talked forgotten \? others right self determination cannot israel 's expense israel 's security comes first security must maintained 're also twisting words beyond belief think 's definition means context , need first grade course english definition talking \? one give absolutely inconsistent twist put know touchy never said support palestinian self determination gave example hypocrisy n't twist definition word 180 degrees order , everyone else knows i'm touchy never said someone net guilty example nothing , nothing less clarify think \? gave example example definition word twisted around 180 degrees n't use different meanings words dictionary , might believable several problems first , know words meanings given dictionary oh , dictionaries \? second , may come shock know words dictionary duh scientist , whose technical terms often found common dictionaries , know term common , like hypocrisy , good dictionary regarded authoritative source third , exchange ideas want , come nonsense believable using definitions given dictionary 's nonsense people read write , try associate meaning words dictionaries give meanings words , n't \? , assume 'd like words use mean 'd like fact , 're using different meanings dictionary , would like reader assign new meanings , never seems cannot answer ideas given others without insulting others sad cannot abide utter 've proven completely wrong facts resembled even slightest bit truth might believable put words mouth , might might start reading actually said never put even one syllable mouth tried prove failed far , come twisting said presenting things never said said way , answering find believable maybe , start reading actually said , added , might change mind read said add anything simply either n't know words n't mean 'd like cannot case since 've proven wrong quite obviously n't defense arguments presented , 're twisting meanings \? fact nothing resembling fact 've said thread fact also 're using different definitions words based baloney anyone else first , nothing resembling fact added said , said ha ! 's nothing resembling fact 've said never added anything said sad see model decorum tranquillity become like sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee tim rice , chess eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder
tkelso afit af mil \( ts kelso \) subject two line orbital element set space shuttle keywords space shuttle , orbital elements , keplerian organization air force institute technology lines 18 nntp posting host scgraph afit af mil current orbital elements norad two line element sets carried celestial bbs , \( 513 \) 427 0674 , updated daily \( possible \) documentation tracking software also available system service satellite user community , current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial bbs may accessed 24 hours day 300 , 1200 , 2400 , 4800 , 9600 bps using 8 data bits , 1 stop bit , parity element sets \( also updated daily \) , shuttle elements , documentation software also available via anonymous ftp archive afit af mil \( 129 92 1 66 \) directory pub space sts 55 1 93 27 00000 0 3 0 90 2 28 249 260 152 1416 15 425 dr ts kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso afit af mil air force institute technology
seth adam eliot se08 andrew cmu edu subject senate house addresses organization doctoral student , materials science engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 27 distribution usa nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr21 ccsvax sfasu edu article dad da vinci uswc uswest com , august uswc would someone please post generic addresses congress senate write letters \? unites states senate washington , c house representatives washington , c white house washington , c seth unlike cats dogs never scratch wash become sad try figure wrong dave barry seth eliot dept material science engineering carnegie mellon univerity , pittsburgh , pa arpa eliot cmu edu se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew
stevet eskimo com \( steven thornton \) subject relative value players organization eskimo north \( 206 \) ever lines 16 kime mongoose torolab ibm com mjones fenway organization eskimo north \( 206 \) 367 3837 eskimo com yeah , morris knows win 's lost 18 detroit 1990 funny wins lot games pitches good teams loses lot pitches bad ones rings criteria success , teams would always tend repeat , eventually 'd team win ws every year sort like yanks 50s morris decent pitcher downside good , great , career toronto finish 3rd 4th year , morris rings , pitching staff destroyed season steve thornton stevet eskimo com
cs colostate edu \( j hamilton \) subject vfr st11 owners get hidden feature nntp posting host handel cs colostate edu organization colorado state university , computer science department keywords lights lines 24 article c61r0b c7 world std com daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) writes well actual ergonomics switch make appear 2 position switch , sure enough deam expected , balance toggle switch center position high low beams go provides nice light coverage road hmmmm noticed sometime ago could virago , since n't read many schematics , n't really think much yes provide excellent coverage , figured would probably draw little much current also figured overlapped prevent blank spot headlight saying switches designed hi lo combination \? jay chrome harley handel cs colostate edu time change oil \? ! \? ! \? ! \? dod 982
cfb fc hp com \( charlie brett \) subject blue led 's nntp posting host hpfcmgw fc hp com organization hewlett packard fort collins site x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 5 lines 14 baden de bari \( baden inqmind bison mb ca \) wrote 's story 're stuck regular green , red , yellow orange led 's ! \? gives ! ! \? \? anybody 'scoop' fairly low priced blue led 's \? \? \? looking leds 10 20 range , forget blue leds recently became available materials made expensive maybe future become less expensive \( brighter \) , 's going cost output limited ever get efficient cost effective red green leds , 're probably going see whole new family color displays charlie brett ft collins , co
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject n't come \? organization temple university lines 8 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 initial gun battle , 50 days come peacefully high priced lawyer , judging posts public support anyone come rational explanation n't come \( even negotiated coming radio sermon \) n't include davidians wanting commit suicide murder general mayhem \? richard
ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! organization nasa lewis research center lines 43 distribution world nntp posting host ariel lerc nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article vax clarku edu , hhenderson vax clarku edu writes ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov \( ron graham \) writes think , everything else equal , 's much ask game shortened half hour cutting pitches , dawdling outside batter 's box , commercial time outs sort thing , i'm asking much know shortened half hour \? anybody done study determine much time actually wasted say , 's games \? oh , probably ms nichols given average game times \( average runs scored \) 1983 1992 \( nice piece information , ms nichols knows \? may listening , kill file \) numbers indicate somewhere neighborhood half run less scored per game , games taking 15 minutes longer something done n't done ten years ago , extending games 15 minutes ms nichols thinks 's pitches given increasing pitchers , would n't surprise 's simply pitches , though , n't think 's unreasonable think something done get ten minutes back get couple shortening time relief pitcher comes , couple still enforcing existing rules , stated posts thread \( related ones \) problem , decides whether time wasted \? n't seem think right , think , although heard one case favoring giving reliever thinks needs \( difference field pen \) knows \? rules get changed , maybe something n't happen change mind bet lot minds would fail thing , else nothing changed rg play better anyone 's one barry bonds , playing two movies
max slinky nyu edu \( david max \) subject needed non interactive gif pc summary need program crop pieces gifs crop coordinates specified command line keywords gif crop organization new york university lines 10 group gif images contain 6 small images place images need program crop small images new gif file programs find make use mouse keyboard define cropping coordinates program pc take crop coordinates command line \? reply max slinky cs nyu edu \( david max \)
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject like dc x \( shuttle 0 defects bizarre \? dc x \? \) organization express access online communications usa lines 11 nntp posting host access digex net article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes \( however , agree richard 're planning short missions , may worth trouble providing anything urine disposal rig \) n't know c 5 's , c 130 's regularly used medium haul personnel transport army , funnel garden hose aft female personnel hate long trips box cars pat
giza hq ileaf com \( jim giza \) subject house sale sandwich , nntp posting host reply giza hq ileaf com \( jim giza \) organization interleaf , inc distribution usa lines 18 sale owners also builders contemporary cape house located sandwich , three bedrooms , two baths , one car oversized garage large eat kitchen cathedral ceiling back living room deck kitchen dining room 20 , 000 sq ft 1 , 696 sq ft living space full walk basement 139 , 900 , creative financing possibility contact peg moore \( 508 \) 771 ron \( 508 \) 394
hoss panix com \( felix cat \) subject med school admission continued organization panix public access unix , nyc x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 42 hi , got several emails couple news replies guess shoulda went detail anxiety level folks clue may well post specifics see people think regarding previous post applied 20 schools total , 16 md 4 stands 13 rejects , 4 interviews \( 2 md 2 \) , results 2 waiting lists \( 1 md one \) 3 schools heard nothing contacted institutions rejects info whatsoever tell taken good mix apply 2 3 top schools bunch safety \( funny safety schools first reject \) index like 3 5 r7 p9 wq r7 p9 b11 wr couldnt get damn reading score never stuff like art history , politics etc ive done medical research undergrad level , done clinical lab work years , unfortunately patient contact experience cant think else left thats summary percent people usually called waiting lists average \? felt interviews went quite well yet dont firm acceptance hand anyone suggestions calm mailbox anxiety \? med students questions comments feel free send typing form anti anxiety \) felix cat 0 0 wonderful , wonderful cat ! meow ! hoss panix com
mss netcom com \( mark singer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 49 article 1993apr23 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) writes article 4dn netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes supposition find players consistently \( year year \) one end bell , might able make reasonable conclusions players \( opposed baseball players \) may root confusion please consider following hypothetical open mind note \( yet \) saying anything question hand suppose simplified lotto game detailed explanation deleted indeed , struck right heart disagreement rebut opinion , made analogy game chance hypothesis assumes lotto players impact selection numbers , hence ability win well , 's certainly true lotto absolutely nothing sport baseball start wrong path , finish wrong path repeat think statistical analysis prior clutch hitting performance accurate predictor future clutch hitting performance , however , think analysis prior clutch hitting performance may , players , indicate deficiency game indeed provide basis projecting particular future performance think chris sabo player beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
gballent vancouver uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) subject winnipeg vs vancouver nntp posting host vancouver uvic ca reply gballent vancouver uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 24 article ccu umanitoba ca , umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) writes oh yeah go arena see one , two , six championship banners hanging 3 stanley cup banners , 3 cup banners nhl guide says vancouver cup \( many times town ! \) n't let confuse anybody winnipeg jets never stanley cup \( even come close \) stanley cup championships go back long way turn century winnipeg one cups jets n't win think anything irrelevant argue playoff series going today stanley cups around turn century \? \? lets face facts canucks leading series 3 1 canucks dominated jets season series canucks better regular season winnipeg better team \? think facts show vancouver better winnipeg gregmeister
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject test ignore organization macalester college lines 11 test adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws understand one another \? fear beyond comprehension gandalf
organization university maine system always fanatical patrick ellis maine maine edu subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca hsdndev harvard edu bson nutrimat gnu ai mit edu lines 24 i'm personally expecting moog blue played fairly decent \( alright spectacular times \) 1 2 game moog experience blue going , nothing , would happen tie game , goal tender insure keep puck \( least team scores \) blue n't face kind pressure tuesday bruins come storming sure really think series buffalo , boston \( except two bad passes game one \) really n't played bad , believer statistics , know going get puck fuhr sooner later , keep shooting game plan sound need take lead first , control tempo imho pat ellis p go bruins go umaine black bears 42 1 2 number 1 hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya , hobey baker award winner ncaa div 1 hockey tournament champions ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! n e !
tcs com \( \) subject animation xputimage \( \) \? organization communications , inc lines 28 article 1993apr21 154620 16330 infodev cam ac uk , dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) writes hi , i'm new group please bear ! two years ago wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview becoming rapidly obselete , 've finally decided rewrite everything scratch xview put together quick test , 've found xputimage \( \) considerably slower \( factor 2 average \? \) sunview command pw rop \( \) moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc ipx seems \( 1 \) x protocol communication slowing things \( 2 \) xputimage inefficient ! question , fastest way x11r5 dump 8 plane image data window \? take advantage fact client running machine server \? stuck xputimage \( \) \( case might well give \) \? help appreciated thanks ! derek fastest way use x server shared memory extension uses shared memory local x server \( hence images n't duplicated \) , defaults regular image routines either shared mem extension available , 's localhost
oueichek imag fr \( ibaa oueichek \) subject help identifying card nntp posting host organization imag institute , university grenoble , france x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 23 ethernet card took old lc card manufactured asante read asante tech , inc copyright 1991 lc rev b card fpu socket provides thin ethernet connector 's another connector phone connectors questions card work model lc serie \? , given 's pds card , work iisi pds slot \? think may lc 16 bit wide slots 's card \? anyone interested \? ship cee country sham \( u \) ya tha \( \) \( u \) lam \( \) ibaa oueichek oueichek imag imag fr ya jamal \( al \) \( \) fi \( l \) \( \) lab de genie informatique \( lgi \) \( \) \( \) \( u \) fi imag , \( \) ala \( sh \) \( \) 46 , av felix , grenoble
ken mi org subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization consultant 's connection distribution na lines 54 thinking buying midwest micro ohio \? think carefully unless absolutely sure wo n't problems , may want trade elsewhere despite fact answer phone , hi ! i'm whoever 're great day ! , n't quite happy wanted return modem n't work expected details ordered one house brand 14 4 df internal fax modems reality , lightning fax paper sticker name given poor reports net modem , would ordered , known advance arrived time documentation stated would work \( \) com4 , providing com2 use time several reasons , serial card configured com1 com2 time installed modem , nothing connected com2 although modem appeared work , every connection 9600 14 4 , would randomly break connection hang phone spending time phone midwest 's tech support , suggested disabling com2 port appeared solve disconnect problem , unacceptable long term solution com1 2 available , even though would use time modem called back 20 minutes prior closing waited voicemail hell , listening repeated advertisements midwest micro products promptly disconnected apparently time n't want bothered callers waiting line called next day asked customer agent rma number promptly switched tech support rep implied equipment fault n't going give rma number suggested use nonstandard irq settings , solution happy modem work originally configured conclusion i'm sure modem would work ok basic system , clearly work multi port system like mine since time worth aggravation cost modem , gave local charitable organization \( description problem \) ordered practical peripherals 14 4mt pc connection 30 , solid external modem built company know support users sold company \( based personal experience \) treat right problem known better
lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu subject use haldol elderly organization doctoral student , public policy management , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 34 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply netcom com 've seen people forties fifties become disoriented demented hospital stays examples 've seen , drugs definitely involved father turned vegetable short time hospital fifty three time , 21 separate medications family protested , doctors adamant , telling us none drugs interact even took attitude , disoriented , put something else well ! help md friend family , medication discontinued seizure night , put back one drug two days later , old self guess n't many medical texts address subject 21 way interactions n't mean cheap shot medical profession aspect hospitals frightening docs seem believe , close control , 's quite right take bodily hands control reduces chance patient make mistake , health care providers make mistakes , mistakes deadly circumstances grant sometimes 's choice nevertheless , suggest procure list drugs grandmother getting , discuss independent doc problems may effect haldol haldol may used validly , may prescribed medication confused , hospital normally haldol confused elderly opinion , larry \( obviously doc \) c
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! organization hms lines 27 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes fuhr proving fuhr bashers wrong , boston awfully good team yeh , 1 sutter 's playoff record head coach st l n't impressive blues teams eliminated early playoffs n't look like trend change bruins 2 bruins never come back win falling behind 2 0 entire 68 year history n't look like buffalo lose next two games aud way fuhr standing head basically , bruins golf course next weekend also , seems like whole boston area gone baseball crazy incredibly great start red sox \( best record major leagues \) would say 70 callers flagship station \( 590 \) talking red sox , 15 upcoming draft , 10 celtics 5 bruins somehow , one around really way bruins folding early ppv mark
gt0463b prism gatech edu \( michael davis smith \) subject airline ticket sale distribution usa organization georgia institute technology lines 17 airline ticket ata cincinnati friend one ticket atlanta cin , oh one seat economy class delta ticket return half round trip currently woman 's name need fly back need sell ticket flyer would go standby ticket dated asking 90 posting friend please email responses instead contact rick 513 271 michael davis smith georgia institute technology , atlanta georgia , 30332 uucp ! decvax , hplabs , ncar , purdue , rutgers ! gatech ! prism ! gt0463b internet gt0463b prism gatech edu
aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) subject mormon beliefs children born wedlock organization massachusetts institute technology lines 32 bruce webster writes indeed , lds doctrine goes one step cases holds parents responsible children 's sins failed bring properly \( cf c 68 25 28 note passage applies members lds church \) hi bruce reconcile practice ezekiel 18 \? ezekiel 18 20 soul sins one die son share guilt father , father share guilt son righteousness righteous man credited , wickedness wicked charged ezekiel 18 translated correctly eyes perhaps \? sincerely , aaron cardenas p bothered see offensive words posted newsgroup obscenity place anyone wants live bible \( eph 5 4 \) moderator would appreciate letting posts foul language , happened least twice lately thank try avoid foul language bastard certainly foul language shouted someone insult case used original technical sense similarly , hell obscenity contexts , referring afterlife clear bastard foul language 's used proper meaning one today 's postings quotes deut 23 2 prohibit \? clh
peter white peter white mixcom mixcom com subject censored free america \? node organization milwaukee internet bbs milwaukee , wi distribution usa lines 27 scanning trying read articles sci crypt area , get \? surprisingly , blurb comes upon screen file xxx either cancelled expired ask , expired , would n't available file cache \? 32 paranoid , older get , greater cynicism federal state governments becomes censorship internet \( less censorship stupid , 's govt \) ridiculous japanese far , government , eyes , trying force crypto standard onto standard ancient relic terms modern japanese security techniques , pose question censor folks net send warning shown \( cancelled expired \) would wiser let people see post \? \? article constitution gives right revolution things seem going \? \? hmmm peter g white , president , synthesis 93 inc milwaukee , wisconsin , u peter white mixcom com
klf druwa att com \( franklinkl \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? summary beamer \? lines 33 article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu , bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes think technicaly known 180 degree vee configuration \( could wrong 've seen referred \) flat engine \? \? \? flat 180 deg v opposed usually , also equals boxer , however , think term traditionally reserved 8 's 12 's \( firing order matters \) talked r many months back ca n't remember consensus examples ferrari 's 512tr flat 12 boxer porsche 's 911 flat 6 subaru 's impreza flat 4 regards , inject non automotive note thread , bmw opposed twin used motorcycles long time always known boxer ken franklin say 's heaven people wait ama say 's better say ai n't gwrra 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints dod 0126 sinners lots fun , y'know good die young
tao balboa eng uci edu \( eric tao \) subject hard drive 40m ide , 90 , 6 months old ! nntp posting host balboa eng uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 5 upgrading hard drive selling 40 drive , run great , without problem , 90 share shipping eric
psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 26 apr 93 god 's promise matthew 5 6 organization university buffalo lines 7 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu blessed hunger thirst righteousness , filled matthew 5 6 \( niv \)
eclipse sheridanc ca \( rob \) subject somebody please help ! nntp posting host eclipse sheridanc ca organization college , ontario , canada lines 15 hello , hope right group post 've got little problem finally managed get real operating system \( linux , opposed ms dos \) like alot , try run , get strange response monitor goes graphics mode get big white rectangle screen 's ! nothing else ! , 've collected almost every faq world help either 's confusing must missing something setup 386dx \( 20mhz \) trident 8900c svga \( w 1 meg \) 4 mb ram plenty hd space help appreciated thanx
hk mlr forsythe stanford edu \( mark rogowsky \) subject cd300 question organization stanford university lines 48 distribution usa nntp posting host morrow stanford edu article h01sav dsyibm desy de michael desy de , h01sav dsyibm desy de \( michael savitski \) writes hi , ! mac lc consider buying cd300 've told , however , 1 double speed cd300 achievable machines scsi 2 completely false 2 double speed prerequisite photocd multisession capability , need also false need multisession capability multisession capability based firmware electronics , drive speed 'll admit , though , seen multisession capable drive n't double speed 3 means seem gain nothing compared , say cd150 \( 1 2 \) , proves 3 false comments \? apple cd300 excellent double speed multi session photocd capable drive drives based slightly faster toshiba companies selling drives spin peripherals \( bargain 499 \) pli \( company hate \) relax technologies \( company know little longtime player mac mailorder , usually good sign \) nec also good choice \( nec 's mechanism , think \) sells around 619 thanx welcome , see germany mailorder info little good , guess spin peripherals 800 466 1200 club mac 800 258 relax tech 510 471 nothing wrong apple , though , based sony mechanism speed identical nec toshiba 's speed advantage slight 20 average access time \( minor plus \) 10 data transfer rate \( slightly important plus \) good luck , mark
cs ubc ca \( tony lau \) subject 3 widget wish list \? organization university british columbia , vancouver , b c , canada lines 31 distribution world nntp posting host cascade cs ubc ca keywords 3 widget , manipulation , feedback , user interface design system interested hearing using implementing 3 interactive applications types 3 widgets would like applications 3 widget usually located scene 3 objects application may let manipulate application data , camera , 3 objects scene , view status application 3 objects via widget 's shape , color , position , orientation , whatever missed think possible example , manipulative widget virtual trackball \( shown partially transparent sphere \) super imposed object rotated feedback widget ruler ends anchored 2 objects length ruler changes objects move numeric value shown ruler indicating distance widget provide manipulation feedback example , ruler used change distance objects along axis please e mail post opinions 3 interaction information gathered help design 3 ui construction tool help much appreciated tony lau cs ubc ca sc student dept computer science
dps nasa kodak com \( dan schaertel , , , \) subject homosexuality issues christianity reply dps nasa kodak com organization eastman kodak company lines 30 article 15441 geneva rutgers edu , loisc microsoft com \( lois christiansen \) writes might visit congregations christians , happen homosexuals , spirit filled believers , go lumping us together troy perry gee , think real criminals \( robbers , , drug addicts \) appear fun loving caring people 's point \? ok people nice \? n't satan christian christian issue , especially homosexuality let 's reach homosexuals christ let 's try change , need bring christ n't want gay , change living moral life , committed someone sex , god moving lives , tell change \? think old saying hate sin sinner appropriate many belive homosexuality wrong probably n't hate people n't n't hate kids wrong either tell right , lie n't admit wrong , n't make effort improve repent , get punished think quite appropriate may want careful think satan working maybe trying destroy sense right wrong feel maybe trying convince know god kind like adam eve story read compare today 's mentality may suprised
lee tosspot sv com \( lee reynolds \) subject bbs \? organization ludus associates , incorporated lines 11 hm , 've found dtk customer support bbs anyone know run one \? \( hands possibly useful cards made either manufacturer docs drivers ! g \) please email directly happen number lee \( lee tosspot sv com \)
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject death penalty gulf war \( long \) organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 158 jbrown batman bmd trw com writes n't regret fact sometimes military decisions made affect lives innocent people regret circumstances make decisions necessary , regret suffering caused decisions i'm afraid i'm going kill n't worry , though loving christian , guarantee regret fact kill , although wo n't regret actual killing n't intervened , allowing hussein keep kuwait , would appeasement right ever hear anyone advocate course action \? setting strawman \? i'm setting strawman want argue war , logical alternative allow hussein keep kuwait false dichotomy diplomatic alternatives , including sanctions , ineffective 's n't even attempted n't support hitler 's dreams conquest \? 's democratically voted policies got 43 elections 1933 , last chance german people got vote matter suffered along rest bother much \? want know bothers thousands innocent people maimed killed bombing end ww2 , far clear bombing necessary \? world full evil , circumstances perfect many innocents suffer due wrongful actions others regretable , 's way way \? set things way \? happening gulf war n't send bombers east timor \? n't sending bombers \? probably 're world ca n't police every country decides self destruct invade another , ones oil ones look like might make success communism strategic position get relief tibet , east timor , places n't see getting un forces east timor harder getting iraq tibetan people rounded , tortured , executed amnesty international recently reported torture still widespread china n't stopping \? fact , actively sucking trading freely \? tell could stop 'll support , one , agree present us policy sucking put agree deplorable fine write congressman president clinton china 's status favoured nation comes renewal june point us n't offering favourable trading terms despicable regime doubt anything happen clinton 's trade sanctions europe unbelievable comments rodney king case deleted media totally monolithic even though prevailing liberal bias , programs macneil lehrer news hour try give balanced fair reporting news even conservative sources know look \( hurrah rush ! \) idea many kill files ended \? , atheist , arguing killing innocent people , supposed christian , arguing 's ok kill innocent people long get guilty ones well hardly n't say 's good thing tm kill innocent people end unfortunately , n't live perfect world perfect solutions one going resist tyranny , innocent people sides going suffer die n't say ok unfortunate , sometimes necessary ends justify means , eh \? , criticised moral relativism past , arguing position judge morality allied actions end war certainly position moral relativist tired old misunderstanding moral relativism means objective standard morality n't mean ca n't judge people 's morals christ bike , many times tried hammer head \? 's christian love \? 's absolute morality \? oh , quick discard suits ivan would say , jesus would puke ! one day stand jesus give account every word action even discourse forum understand full ramifications , prepared n't believe make claim obviously , atheist n't think 'd get jesus , though long haired lunatic peace nik , \? btw , reason brought blanket bombing germany bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable yet blanket bombing instituted bombing n't accurate enough hit industrial military targets decisive way method time gulf war , precision bombing norm point , make big stink relatively civilian casualties resulted spite precision bombing , many civilians \( proportionately \) died blanket bombing ww2 \? right unfortunately , turned opinions matter entirely consistent condemned bombing dresden think 're bit glib explanation blanket bombing policy , make sound though aiming military targets could get destroying civilian buildings next door understand , case aimed deliberately civilian targets order cause massive damage inspire terror amongst german people civilians suffer less civilians suffered war history ! oh , come wars like falklands fresh people 's minds , sort propaganda n't going fool anyone stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk yes , bunk us lost 230 , 000 servicemen ww2 four years majority directly involved fighting ! yes \? millions casualties russians suffered \? 's hardly surprising us n't lose many men ww2 , given turned late mathew
ccastco prism gatech edu \( costas malamas \) subject opinions wanted fastest win driver organization georgia institute technology lines 24 yesterday , friend mine got new driver card doubled speed naturally , besides tad jealous \( machine different cards \) , got thinking using slow driver \? would n't horrible \? \) netlanders , need samples collective experience \( sic \) proud owners trident 8900c video card w 1mb vram tried one driver fro ms win 3 1 \? fastest \? selfish , give motive responding , promise going collect answers , actual drivers \( provided u give site get uuencode mail \) get winmarks using pc winbench post results interested svga drivers \( plain vga users run win driver , 've heard dont flame ! \) particularly 800x600x256 \( cover majority svga users \) well , waiting \? hit r f whatever input welcome money sun sparcstations thanx advance costas malamas georgia institute technology oit ua oit n't pay enough share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 8 use arts letters pc make use tracing preferences traces beautifully 's trick tracing 've traced entire cartoon images custom clip art , ca n't expect point image get like , takes little work \( cases lot work \) need trace drawing piece piece , put together 's kinda hard explain type , 're ever reno give little demonstration !
mppa3 syma sussex ac uk \( alan richardson \) subject xvertext version 5 0 released organization university sussex lines 31 available xvertext 5 0 another day , another xvertext release summary xvertext provides several functions draw strings angle x window \( previous versions limited vertical text \) 's new since 4 0 \? existing bitmap fonts magnified give reasonable fonts large sizes bounding boxes obtained gc 's stipple bitmap honoured font ids cached font names unavailable imakefile present demos better \( including ransom note like comp sources postscript one \) get \? comp sources x \( soon \) export lcs mit edu contrib xvertext 5 0 shar z \( \) alan richardson , n't school maths physical sciences , old wise univ sussex , brighton bn1 9qh , england judas priest uk mppa3 uk ac sussex syma elsewhere mppa3 syma sussex ac uk
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject looking movies w bikes organization louisiana tech university lines 12 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article 1993apr21 i88 isc com jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) writes freebie bean , great chase scene trials bike ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines god real , unless declared integer came , saw , deleted files black holes god dividing zero world end 5 minutes please log earth 98 full please delete anyone
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject habs late organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 14 nntp posting host teal article 1993apr21 newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca \( deepak chhabra \) writes vincent damphousse decided take vacation , apparently respect power hockey gods preventing commenting , commenting whether guy damphousse traded vacation perhaps roger \( demonstrably contempt hockey gods paying \) dares comment two \? mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
gurman gsfc nasa gov \( joseph b gurman \) subject vx centris upgrade price organization nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt , md usa lines 20 uxa cso uiuc edu \( johann e \) writes anyone price quote vendor vx centris 650 upgrade \? 've quoted price till august 15th cost course n't include trade rebate 1300 vx board thus 1101 one gets centris 650 , 8 meg onboard fpu ethernet anyone else info \? price university illinois micro order center , vendors offer similar prices \? falcon microsystems md , sole apple authorized reseller federal government , similar open market prices upgrade new general services schedule yet joe gurman j b gurman solar physics branch nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt md 20771 usa gurman gsfc nasa gov federal employees prohibited holding opinions hatch act therefore , opinions expressed herein somebody else 's
parc xerox com \( berry \) subject cga windows 3 1 organization xerox parc lines 15 sat eng tridom com \( stephen thomas \) writes article uniwa uwa edu au , tartarus uwa edu au \( neil \) writes i`m looking assistance locating information run win 3 1 cga monitor cga driver windows 3 0 works fine win3 1 oh ! oh ! 've taken comp windows misc they're coming us ! berry berry parc xerox com
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject 2 5 million muslims perished butchery hands armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 63 article com com \( robbie \) writes answer n't ask n't even think put line global kill file well , change fact period 1914 1920 , armenian government ordered , incited , assisted participated genocide 2 5 million muslim people race , religion national origin \? 1914 1920 , 2 5 million turks perished butchery hands armenians genocide involved killing innocents deportation russian armenia persecuted , banished , slaughtered much ottoman army engaged world war genocide treaty defines genocide acting intent destroy , whole substantial part , national , ethnic , racial religious group ' history shows x soviet armenian government intended eradicate muslim population 2 5 million turks kurds exterminated armenians international diplomats ottoman empire time including u ambassador bristol denounced x soviet armenian government 's policy massacre kurds , turks , tartars blood thirsty leaders x soviet armenian government time personally involved extermination muslims turkish genocide museums turkiye honor died turkish massacres perpetrated armenians eyewitness accounts historical documents established , beyond doubt , massacres muslim people war planned premeditated aim policy clearly extermination turks x soviet armenian territories muslims van , bitlis , mus , erzurum erzincan districts wives children taken mountains killed massacres trabzon , , adana organized perpetrated blood thirsty leaders x soviet armenian government principal organizers slaughter innocent muslims dro , antranik , armen , , , , , haig source bristol papers , general correspondence container 32 bristol bradley letter september 14 , 1920 absolute first hand information armenians caucasus attacked tartar \( turkish \) villages utterly defenseless bombarded villages artillery murder inhabitants , pillage village often burn village serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
gsulliva enuxha eas asu edu \( glenn sullivan \) subject need help video detection circuit summary build cheap video detector organization arizona state university lines 19 verity jack sns com \( steve verity \) writes trying build circuit detects presence video \( vs blank screen \) monitoring r , g , b outputs graphics card able detect presence single pixel 65 mhz , would mean detecting 15 ns pulse also able tell difference blank screen \( 300 mv \) dim screen \( say , around 310 mv \) oh yes , also needs cheap fact difference completely black completely white 650 mv wondering going amplify video signals make work try differential amplifier put back back diodes collectors restrict voltage swing 10 flow , 500 ohm collector rs , keep stray c 10 pf try run collector logic allen sullivan
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject zionist leaders' frank statements nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 131 article cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes article 2150 news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes try coming definition self hating peoples , reject culture point see absolute negatives culture \( generally , regarding particular event \) accept views purely opposing aspects culture \( thus , selective belief use historical facts complete ignoring context results \) hate culture believe things getting mixed israel anti zionist seeing absolute negatives culture culture referred israeli , anti zionist seen complete denial entity 's right exist legitimacy saying islam right establish implement state includes non muslims , absolute , one dimensional views culture regard issue state maybe , person see positives culture person opposes zionism actions state israel case , one would expect culture 's positives discussed regard issue hand since issue centers israeli culture , yet hear positives culture discussion , one , consider actions state israel respect human rights palestinian people example action opposes jewish culture suppose uphold example respect jewish people learned , segregation years diaspora agree also feel culture feels confronted another group wishes see culture disassembled , first culture little choice try secure survival well maintain moral center since culture turn away either matter survival moral principles , virtually impossible job balancing discuss israel 's faults crimes without recognition circumstance reality faces conscious decision based 's political biases , honest open understanding situation applies attempt paint palestinian movement bad dispense considerations reality facing certainly describes elias , since intention recognizing , alongside palestinian experience perspective , exists also israelis might want recognize make self hating jew , far see , person telling truth beg question centering symptoms issue self hating addresses motivations certainly feel anyone much effort , distorting robbing human context aspects culture reflecting degree dislike since bits culture bound , due upbringing , part , bit self dislike seems likely mixed somewhere jew \? person whose integrity decays unmoved knowledge wrong done people j heschel get moved see israeli army killing people occupied territories much get moved see people israel , precisely israeli society tremendously harmed actions \( government \) felt take response perceived threat , long strident emotional debate pain israelis feel forced balance desires survival moral beliefs trauma make choice made worse fact neither conveniently brushed aside \( result reasoned political debate \) sake , reshaped , far , seems blame always put read newsgroup , example , israel never guilty always responding actions , goes actions isreal also affect response cycle never ends also , blindness try understand feels well know , process blaming morally questionable actions one side forced \( , course \) take thoroughly practiced sides hearing pro israeli crowd 's self supporting arguments , may due fact listening anything else certainly hear similarly distorting pro palestinian pro arab element newsgroup \( well soc culture arabic \) always excuse always rationale explain things happen , worst part , seems time intention try de , care future , children , peace , etc , etc aap agree , agree , agree , agree however , response initial discussion davidsson opposing presentations , saw davidsson carefully putting academic frills around blatantly one sided series hate dislike , , , find approach opposing davidsson centered denial side certainly wonder degree davidsson 's views middle east distorted connected dislike rejection jewish lineage said , however , agree constant accusing others self hating jews seems pointless worse label , 're side , except perhaps imply certain degree overly enthusiastic tim tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu subject bmw 528i nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology looked bimmer yesterday 's '81 , , according owner \( odometer stopped working \) well , sounds good , body ok , wants 3000 liked car , despite 's auto tranny , wife primary driver one , wants auto radio work untill car warms honk horn \( ! \) c seems leak sunroof sticky , operational odometer work , mentioned idle bit , going wipers slow 's teh gripes owner says changed radiator , alternator , rotors calipers , exhaust biggest problem , owner sob , telling strange stories hate would never buy like , except , often see descent 528i amount money also said , although could bring , would n't let check car taking garage suspicious knows milage , let know check , given 's practically rust know article 528i r years back , anybody remembers issue \? mike
eff org \( mitch kapor \) subject jerry berman pseudonymous privacy originator eff org nntp posting host eff org organization electronic frontier foundation lines 21 nobody alumni cco caltech edu correctly states jerry berman 's 1985 view privacy , mistakenly assumes represents berman 's 1993 view eff executive director one people convinced jerry legal protections privacy insufficient , technical measures , especially public key cryptography , also necessary , tell jerry eff fully committed position previous poster apparently unaware long series eff positions support view suggest interested read eff 's position clipper work digital privacy check ftp eff org details one great things human beings capable change evolution thinking idea crypto critical privacy one longer limited certain net , spreading parts public policy community washington mitch kapor co founder , eff
maynard selway umt edu \( robert l maynard \) subject disks copy protected summary make backups \? \? \? organization university montana lines 37 noeler xanth cs orst edu \( eric richard noel \) writes discussion piracy deleted deeper end everyone think need able make backup copy \? almost new software must installed hard disk , left originals backups think waste time , space , money , well makes tempting lend backups practice new software make copy original floppies second set floppies install hard drive second set floppies put originals box room number one put copies box room number two 1 \) accidents happen original floppies 2 \) accidents happen installation floppy 3 \) sometimes software goes floppies marginally good gets close magnet shipping storage 've experience something like last purchased compiler reputable vendor debugger package would install hard drive way repeated floppy floppy copies finally got clean read disk recall used diskcopy , copy b , made second copy marginal floppy installed \( except typing \) \) since regard backup floppies cheap insurance side question bob
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject space calendar 04 27 93 organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 152 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 space calendar updated monthly latest copy available ames arc nasa gov pub space faq please send updates corrections ron baalke \( baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \) note launch dates subject change following person made contributions month 's calendar dennis newkirk soyuz tm 18 launch date \( dec 1993 \) space calendar april 27 , 1993 indicates change last month 's calendar april 1993 apr 29 astra 1c ariane launch may 1993 may \? \? advanced photovoltaic electronics experiment \( apex \) pegasus launch may \? \? scout launch may \? \? gps delta ii launch may \? \? commercial experiment transporter \( comet \) conestoga launch may 01 astronomy day may 01 2 iapetus saturn eclipse may 04 galileo enters asteroid belt may 04 meteor shower \( maximum 21 00 ut , solar 44 5 deg \) may 13 air force titan 4 launch may 18 sts 57 , endeavour , european retrievable carrier \( 1r \) may 20 15th anniversary , pioneer venus orbiter launch may 21 partial solar eclipse , visible north america northern europe may 25 magellan , aerobraking begins june 1993 jun \? \? meteor 2 launch jun \? \? uhf 2 atlas launch jun \? \? noaa atlas launch jun \? \? first test flight delta clipper \( dc x \) , unmanned jun \? \? 1b 2b ariane launch jun 04 lunar eclipse , visible north america jun 14 sakigake , 2nd earth flyby \( japan \) jun 22 15th anniversary charon discovery \( pluto 's moon \) christy jun 30 sts 51 , discovery , advanced communications technology satellite july 1993 jul \? \? ii scout launch jul \? \? galaxy 4 ariane launch jul 01 soyuz launch \( soviet \) jul 08 soyuz launch \( soviet \) jul 14 soyuz tm 16 landing \( soviet \) jul 20 21 iapetus saturn eclipse jul 21 soyuz tm 17 landing \( soviet \) jul 28 delta meteor shower \( maximum 19 00 ut , solar longitude 125 8 degrees \) jul 29 nasa 's 35th birthday august 1993 aug \? \? ets vi \( engineering test satellite \) h2 launch \( japan \) aug \? \? geos j launch aug \? \? landsat 6 launch aug \? \? pegasus launch aug 08 15th anniversary , pioneer venus 2 launch \( atmospheric probes \) aug 09 mars observer , 4th trajectory correction maneuver \( 4 \) aug 12 n delta meteor shower \( maximum 07 00 ut , solar longitude 139 7 degrees \) aug 12 meteor shower \( maximum 15 00 ut , solar longitude 140 1 degrees \) aug 24 mars observer , mars orbit insertion \( moi \) aug 25 sts 58 , columbia , spacelab life sciences \( sls 2 \) aug 28 galileo , asteroid ida flyby september 1993 sep \? \? spot 3 ariane launch sep \? \? launch sep \? \? pegasus launch october 1993 oct \? \? intelsat 7 f1 ariane launch oct \? \? slv 1 pegasus launch oct \? \? telstar 4 atlas launch oct 01 launch oct 22 meteor shower \( maximum 00 00 ut , solar longitude 208 7 degrees \) november 1993 nov \? \? mop 3 ariane launch nov 03 20th anniversary , mariner 10 launch \( mercury venus flyby mission \) nov 03 meteor shower nov 04 galileo exits asteroid belt nov 06 mercury across sun , visible asia , australia , south pacific nov 08 mars observer , mapping orbit established nov 10 sts 60 , discovery , spacehab 2 nov 13 partial solar eclipse , visible southern hemisphere nov 15 wilhelm herschel 's birthday nov 17 meteor shower \( maximum 13 00 ut , solar longitude 235 3 degrees \) nov 22 mars observer , mapping begins nov 28 29 total lunar eclipse , visible north america south america december 1993 dec \? \? goes atlas launch dec \? \? nato 4b delta launch dec \? \? pegasus launch dec \? \? 1 1 ariane launch dec \? \? wind delta 2 launch dec \? \? step 2 pegasus launch dec \? \? soyuz tm 18 launch \( soviet \) dec 02 sts 61 , endeavour , hubble space telescope repair dec 04 r launch \( soviet \) dec 05 20th anniversary , pioneer 10 jupiter flyby dec 08 mars observer , mars equinox dec 14 meteor shower \( maximum 00 00 ut , solar longitude 262 1 degrees \) dec 20 mars observer , solar conjunction begins dec 23 meteor shower \( maximum 01 00 ut , solar longitude 271 3 degrees \) january 1994 jan 03 mars observer , end solar conjunction jan 24 clementine titan iig launch \( lunar orbiter , asteroid flyby mission \) february 1994 feb \? \? sfu launch feb \? \? gms 5 launch feb 05 20th anniversary , mariner 10 venus flyby feb 08 sts 62 , columbia , u microgravity payload \( 2 \) feb 15 galileo 's birthday feb 21 clementine , lunar orbit insertion feb 25 25th anniversary , mariner 6 launch \( mars flyby mission \) march 1994 mar \? \? tc 2c launch mar 05 15th anniversary , voyager 1 jupiter flyby mar 14 albert einstein 's birthday mar 27 25th anniversary , mariner 7 launch \( mars flyby mission \) mar 29 20th anniversary , mariner 10 , 1st mercury flyby mar 31 galaxy 1r delta 2 launch april 1994 apr \? \? equator scout launch apr 04 mars observer , perihelion apr 14 sts 59 , atlantis , srl 1 ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
prb access digex com \( pat \) subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? organization express access online communications usa lines 11 nntp posting host access digex net article 1993apr26 200406 1 vax1 mankato msus edu belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu writes energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy big capacitor \) real big capacitor pat
jks2x holmes acc virginia edu \( jason k schechner \) subject aircraft sale leasing keywords aircraft sale organization university virginia lines 43 article msk su msk su writes firm position either sell lease one 12 air cargo transport aircraft \( complete technical repair 1993 \) terms delivery 1 price aircraft 2 price leasing per month guarantee flight time 60 hours price includes \) price aircraft b \) price insurance aircraft pilots price leasing include \) fuel price b \) price technical service c \) taxes , airport taxes , air expenses , payments \) loading , unloading insurance cargo e \) days payments pilot , food accomodation expenses , transport expenses terms negotiable interested , please contact earliest andrey moscow tel \( 095 \) 305 71 30 fax \( 095 \) 305 72 60 tools ltd co calling bill gates , calling bill gates jason settle , raise family join pta , buy sensible shoes , chevrolet party 'till 're broke drag away 's ok al yankovic
doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) subject umbilical hernia article blue organization university pittsburgh lines 21 article 1993apr27 shannon ee wits ac za gary concave cs wits ac za \( gary taylor \) writes could anyone give information umbilical hernias patient weight protruding hernia surgery may risky due obesity remedies could try \? unless patient short life expectancy , possible complications hernia n't repaired far outweigh risks surgery risks surgery , anyway , minimal unless exceedingly large , hernias fixed local anesthesia n't forget hernias one leading causes small bowel obstruction smaller hernia , higher chances loop bowel become incarcerated howard doyle doyle pitt edu
piatt gdc com \( gary piatt \) subject median \? \? \? new study gay percentage organization general datacomm ind inc , middlebury , ct lines 22 nntp posting host x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 stephen orchid ucsc edu wrote median distribution value divides distribution halfway , e 1 2 distribution \( population \) lower half higher values males 20 39 median 7 3 , means half men higher half lower population sample size 3300 , 1 gay , 33 males gay say distributed equally 16 5 greater 7 3 sexual partners , course , means 49 5 heterosexual men greater 7 3 quite first , median imply half men half 7 3 simply means 7 3 mid point maximum number partners minimum \( likely zero \) however , assuming implication less correct , final result still invalid 50 males 7 3 partners , assumed 1 homosexual males , remains 49 5 , still 50 heterosexual males say hey , 're human garison
nntp posting host ifi uio joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) subject right \? organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway lines 30 originator joakimr ifi uio recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? hmmmmmmmmmmmm want point sarcasm , mean one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire
david ganglion ann arbor mi us \( david hwang \) subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? organization j services lines 43 article 1993apr21 sequent com troy sequent com \( troy wecker \) writes let explain feel bogey counter feature gimmick radar waves bounce objects especially metal radar speed measurement works high frequency microwave \( x band approx 10 ghz k approx 24 ghz \) sent reflected back antenna automobile objects object moving doppler shift \( 34 hz per mph x band \) occurs , measured converted miles per hour waves bounce place reflect many times go many directions understand valentine 1 tell microwaves coming front , rear two antennas coming interpreted side bogey bogey counts determined sources relative strength one another even reflections source i'm certainly engineer really scientific basis make argument , n't answer question \? reflected signal shifted act reflected \? , would n't easy detector discriminate reflections direct sources \? problem since microwaves reflect , unit tell source reflection \? take valentine 1 drive local grocery store uses x band radar door opener tell small black box door pointed 45 degree angle detector going gets near valentine 1 count 7 8 directions front , rear sides \( n't say side \) count changes cars drive reflections change 7 8 sources \? store go drive around standard detector find one source door opener front door troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton , david w hwang , david ganglion ann arbor mi us
dudgeon hardy u washington edu \( doug dudgeon \) subject bosio 's hitter organization university washington lines 19 reply dudgeon opus washington edu nntp posting host hardy u washington edu pb6755 csc albany edu \( brown philip h \) writes watched final inning bosio 's hitter several people work vizquel made barehanded grab middle , someone remarked fielded glove , would n't time throw riles yet , throw beat riles two steps wonder many others watched final think vizquel choice make play bare hand morning 's paper \( radio \? \) , vizquel quoted saying could fielded ball glove still easily thrown riles , barehanded instead make final play memorable seems cocky , made work 's entitled doug dudgeon dept chemical engineering , bf 10 dudgeon opus washington edu university washington , seattle space available
netcom com \( jeff miller \) subject o'reilly x , adobe , sun openlook books cheap organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) distribution usa lines 37 brand new copies following books sale rev , n't know much look pages , copyright date , etc clues postscript language reference manual , adobe sys inc , addison wesley , copyr 1986 , printed 1990 299 pages 22 95 postscript language tutorial cookbook , , 243 pages , 16 95 'll sell two books set 15 postage paid w us openlook gui functional specification , sun micro , addison w , copyr 1989 , pages , 34 95 openlook gui application style guidelines , 388 pages , 24 95 'll sell two books set 15 ppd w us o'reilly associates definitive guides x window system , copyr 1990 , version 11 , revised updated release 4 vol 0 x protocol reference manual , 498 pages 30 vol 1 xlib programming manual , 672 pages 34 95 vol 2 xlib reference manual , 792 pages 34 95 vol 7 xview programming manual , 640 pages 30 'll sell four books set 35 ppd w us due high hassle ratio asking pre payment check 'll , packing , shipping prepared wait 3 weeks books show 'd like pick , live san francisco prices though e mail interested thanks !
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject free energy technology organization case western reserve university lines 25 nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu article 1993apr22 cnsvax uwec edu mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu writes free energy inventions devices tap seemingly unlimited supply energy universe , burning kind fuel , making perfect solution world wide energy crisis associated pollution , degradation , depletion environment give call build working model 'll talk stock options private note jennifer fakult post may contain one following sarcasm , cycnicism , irony , humor please aware possibility allow confused thrown loop doubt , assume owners account take responsiblity confusion may result inability recognize read risk , jennifer
harelb math cornell edu subject f cus health u compares nf id n poly math cor 000 1957 nf math cornell edu ! harelb apr 23 14 01 00 1993 lines 50 harelb math cornell edu \( misc activism progressive co moderator \) subject f cus health u compares paid maternity leave f cus health u compares paid maternity leave duration nationally provided paid maternity leave weeks , 1988 country weeks country weeks united kingdom 40 germany 14 finland 38 ireland 14 denmark 28 japan 14 france 16 28 spain 14 italy 22 netherlands 12 norway 20 sweden 12 canada 17 18 switzerland 8 12 austria 16 united states 0 belgium 14 source international labor organization , work family child care challenge , conditions work digest , vol 7 , february 1988 page 11 're number one , america stands falls new world order andrew l shapiro new york , may 1992 , vintage books , division random house 10 paperback isbn 0 679 2 transcribed well sf ca us \( joe \) becoming land private greed public squalor book indispensable road map wreckage facts reveals may depress ideally 'll fire help rebuild nation '' robert b reich , author work nations
sherwood adobe com \( geoffrey sherwood \) subject monitors nanao \? organization adobe systems incorporated x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 46 adrie \( adrie philips nl \) wrote article news iastate edu schauf iastate edu \( brian j schaufenbuel \) writes tube viewsonic 17 use \? support 1600x1280 \? 've looking philips 1762dt uses sony trinitron tube , digital controls , supports , 25mm dot pitch found 1000 original poster , john navitsky , said might use monitor sparcstation lx lx able generate picture 1280 1024 76 hz officially , tried set resolution refresh rate lx came non screen tube obviously could n't handle speed 67 hz , worked perfectly n't know tube viewsonic 17 uses , horizontal bandwidth go pretty high ran mine fast orchid p9000 could drive also , 17 claim able support 1600x1280 , experience since spec sheet front 'll type crt 17 , 0 28 mm dot pitch , 90 deg deflection , rgb short , tint \( tm 52 \) , anti static , anti glare , anti reflection input signal rgb analog 0 p , 75 ohms \( also setting p \) sync h v separate \( ttl \) , composite \( \) , sync green \( \) horizontal freq 30 , vertical freq 50 90hz compatibility pc vga 1600x1280 non interlaced , mac iici controls contrast , brightness , position , size , , p p voltage , color temp , sync select , color tuning , video band 135 mhz max brightness 120 cd m2 white flat field 35mm \( max \) center , \( max \) corner dimensions 16 3 22 64 , weight 42 6 lbs n't know mean n't verify accuracy , typed things hype sheet dynamic right mean use two lenses advanced shadow mask color control claim easy use system adjusts colors closely match printer output near able figure , translates separate controls red , green , blue makes easy match printer output beyond beyond hype , monitor pleasant look sharp , clear , n't nearly bad nec 's reflections geoff sherwood
randy megatek com \( randy davis \) subject shaft drives wheelies reply randy megatek com organization megatek corporation , san diego , california lines 19 article 1993apr22 asl dl nec com drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp writes course , people seem acting smug probably chain final drive \( , know , less efficient higher maintenance \) probably n't know answer start thread go change laws physics \? \) according numbers used see bandied around , shaft drive order 95 97 efficient , chain drive closer 99 seems makes chain drive efficient , hmmmmm \? \? \? granted , shaft lot less maintenance , fine , n't mind less performance \) \) randy davis email randy megatek com zx 11 00072 pilot uunet ! ucsd ! megatek ! randy dod 0013 , one goes eleven nigel tufnel , spinal tap
aurora alaska edu subject looking good book pspice 5 2 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 8 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu article acsu buffalo edu , v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) writes got copy spice 5 2 would like know published books market yet could get one would appreciate help thank neil gandler isbn 0 13 6
jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) subject clipper chip organization massachusetts institute technology lines 22 nntp posting host achates mit edu article 1993apr28 ens fr h2o ens fr \( philippe \) writes forbidding communication impractical possible spot communication thousands megabytes data circulate various existing networks private networks \? suspect government feels enough prevent companies offering secure encryption services big companies n't take kind risk 're visible much lose us government may make encryption illegal prevent use could say ibm mit receive us government money next year unless follow voluntary guidelines use encryption , doubt either organization would delay making use encryption violation local policies us government gets much power making impractical operate without getting money government putting restrictions use money would illegal enacted laws john carr \( jfc athena mit edu \)
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject espn2 tell us organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 27 nntp posting host teal article 1993apr23 walter cray com huot cray com \( tom huot \) writes n't heard new espn2 new network supposed start \? sounds great ! \( long cable co offers \) hopefully use lesson given master ted turner season ted introduced tnt , many cable co 's refused put , saying , gee get enough old movies , , etc tbs , usa , amc , wgn , wor , need another one \? fall come spring , ted fixed little red wagons good previous spring , nba playoffs wore tbs , tnt \( still \) everyone gets tnt , espn put nfl football baseball espn2 , leave hockey espn cable co 's play games drop espn favor espn2 , espn alternate baseball football channels every week , espn guys collectively turner guy \? mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
groh nu cs fsu edu \( jim groh \) subject looking movies w bikes organization florida state university computer science department reply groh nu cs fsu edu lines 32 article cassidy 51 0 elan rowan edu cassidy elan rowan edu \( kyle cassidy \) writes article csundh30 ursa csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) writes assembling info film criticism class final project man , every time thread comes , start jumping screaming ' easy wheels ! easy wheels ! ' date , seems like i'm one ever seen 's absolutely hysterical basic plot reporter searching ring blow road \( hot \) gang babe bikers leather rescued wrecked car desert xtian biker band lead ex viet nam vet steel plate head gives visions time time soon discover gang 'o babes kidnapping children raised wolves \( reasoning behind complex \) , set stop restore justice order world one 5 funniest movies ever seen life kyle cassidy cassidy rowan edu fire guns ! dod 760 actually saw movie three months ago , n't called easy wheels something else escapes moment rent video hoot , class plan 9 outer space jim groh groh sig cs fsu edu dod hog new improved 1959 xlh 900 1982 1989 xlh 883 1990 xlh 1200 smaller sig
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 10 article 8mm usenet ins cwru edu , cj195 cleveland freenet edu \( john w redelfs \) wrote hands defender , 357 miracle god helps help n't ever heard one \? n't know god secular humanist kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
subject fractal terrain generator \? pdbourke ccu1 aukuni ac nz \( paul david bourke \) organization university auckland , new zealand keywords fractal terrain mac lines 34 deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu \( daniel e bradley \) writes anyone know fractal terrain generator mac , something could hopefully import 3d program like swivel stratavision \? know infini built capabilities , n't access infini downloaded two programs umich , graphics fractals , 1990 91 crashed system 7 think black white anyway please , email know anything , n't check newsgroups often thanks advance dan bradley deb47099 uxa cso uiuc edu yes written something creates meshed fractal terrain surfaces exactly purpose require , importing 3d modelling packages warned , data content high brings many packages knees use primarily microstation exports dxf , well formats , ok get ftp mirror site us wuarchive wustl edu stuff located mirrors architec directory please ftp readme file first paul bourke school architecture , property , planning pdbourke ccu1 auckland ac nz university auckland ph 64 9 373 private bag fax 64 9 373 auckland , new zealand paul bourke school architecture , property , planning pdbourke ccu1 auckland ac nz university auckland ph 64 9 373 private bag fax 64 9 373 auckland , new zealand
bittrolff evans enet dec com \( \) subject kind loving god ! ! lines 12 reply bittrolff evans enet dec com \( \) organization digital equipment corporation article 1993apr20 643 ra royalroads ca , mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes btw , david koresh jesus christ claimed tell sure \? three days n't passed yet steve bittrolff previous opinion , shared reasonably intelligent person
netcom com \( \) subject sources vuewm gadgets organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 7 anyone know sites resources find gadgets vuewm window manager \? types , actions , icons file manager event manager etc tanks , input appreciated
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 92 article mojo eng umd edu josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) writes \( 1 \) soundly rejected reasons pragmatic even bosnian muslims croats serbs converted islam turkish rule centuries ago , none present generation clue ancestor 's actual nationality fact , although forced disagree first , one may born non turkish , non muslim parent outside turkish land , yet still turk , provided person calls turk designation turk genetic feature , racial religious feature matter identifying turkish values secondly , following observations westerners written french ahmet turks behaved like christians use force convert islam nations brought power , one could opposed , today would eastern problem turks obeyed word koran permit everybody worship way centuries frederick great pronounced famous thus , age christian europe shed christian blood people europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures upon whose beliefs differed , ottoman empire became sole country inquisition exist , deaths stake unheard accusations witchcraft made barbarian \( ! \) turkey country jews persecuted chased away everywhere christians , could find asylum facts demonstrate muslim countries provided spiritually far better living conditions christian countries 1 turks , conquering nation , nations came rule instead , respected religions traditions stroke luck romania live turkish rule instead russian austrian rule otherwise would romanian nation today \( \) turks rule people administration externally , without interfering internal structures account , autonomy minorities turkey better complete advanced european countries 2 human beings hate account religious differences flaw older islam christianity never examples turkey turks never oppress anybody account religion enmity basis religion case simple contempt among us , keep translating action , many nations europe would probably considered happy ! \( de \) 3 turkey never became scene religious terror cruelty inquisition contrary , served asylum unfortunate victims christian fanaticism look history , see fifteenth century thousands jews expelled spain portugal found good asylum turkey descendants living calmly approximately three hundred years , forced defend countries cruelty christians , especially jew able appear public easter celebrations athens , even today turkey , however , israelites insulted greek armenian communities , local courts immediately take protection vast calm country sultan , religions nations living together peacefully although mosque superior church synagogue , replace , catholic sect free istanbul smyrna compared paris addition fact law turkey prohibits open air ceremonies sect , neither law imprison cross church dead taken graves , long line priests bear candles chant catholic hymns priests churches districts go streets form clerical eucharist celebrations , hymns bearing crosses religious banners , detachment soldiers escorts forces even turks stand respect around group priests \( \) 4 1 ah , gore turkler , 3rd ed \( istanbul , 1978 \) , pp 70 71 2 ibid , p 91 3 ibid , pp 214 215 4 ibid , pp 215 216 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject cats pregnancy organization university pittsburgh lines 16 article 1993apr27 etl go jp klaus go jp \( klaus hofmann \( \) \) writes hello , heard certain disease \( \? \) transmitted cats harm unborn fetus anybody know \? problem cat apartment \? cat around problem , pregnant woman change litter box transmitted stool cats kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject gamma ray bursters organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 33 ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) writes u9263012 wampyr cc uow edu au \( walker andrew john \) writes also , come oort cloud would expect see stars oort clouds 's good point perhaps none nearby stars oort clouds \? alpha centauri multiple star system would n't expect oort cloud sure \? maybe proxima might cause problems , oort cloud distances ac ac b together look like point source besides , even solar system 's oort cloud unstable time , right , needs somewhere else , like short period comets belt \? \( maybe i'm something read heard somewhere \) 's nearest single star likely planetary system \? 're able perform broad band survey nearby stars detect planets , wo n't know enough say whether single star planets 're likely find close ones first heck , neutron stars planets , anything planets \( discovery \? \) phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
ornl gov \( \) subject events multiple clients reply ornl gov \( \) organization oak ridge national laboratory lines 14 capture events multiple clients \? want know user still display locking screen get keypress pointer motion events , user pressing mouse button location \( mouse n't move \) ca n't capture events o'reilly xlib programming manual \( vol 1 \) says page 252 one client select button events one window one time , due grab automatically takes place help would appreciated ornl gov
smeets speedy cci de \( vincent smeets \) subject sun 3 80 sunos 4 0 3 x terminal organization competence center informatik gmbh , , germany lines 23 moment , using sun 3 80 \( cgfour \) sunos 4 0 3 openwindows 2 0 configuration slow ca n't run programs example , start mailtool ow3 display display , ca n't open compose window want install x11r5 x11r4 server sun use xdm \( yes , xdm already running x terminals \) log start x programs ready go x11 server configuration \( read something xsun \) , must compile x11 stuff \? help welcome v smeets vincent smeets competence center informatik gmbh smeets cci de software engineering ada whois , germany
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject ottawa lynx info wanted organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 29 nntp posting host apple com mcgill ca \( \) writes 1 \) current roster lynx someone minor league mailing list probably 2 \) home game schedule lynx , n't time type whole thing \( n't mind looking specific date ranges individual games , limits \) besides , stuff easy find baseball america puts book called directory 's 10 \( us \) every team 's data schedule type whole , 'd spending lot time infringing copyright folks interested minors check minor league list \( see signature \) , folks tracking team schedules ba directory order 800 845 find chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
wb8foz skybridge scl cwru edu \( david lesher \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization nrk clinic habitual netnews abusers beltway annex lines 11 reply wb8foz skybridge scl cwru edu \( david lesher \) nntp posting host skybridge scl cwru edu others said coca cola company want paint moon red white \( well , moon , moon jupiter \) reminds old arthur c clarke story coca cola ad stashed inside experiment host host coast coast wb8foz skybridge scl cwru edu one talk host 's close \( 301 \) 56 linux unless host \( n't close \) pob 1433 busy , hung dead 20915 1433
barkdoll lepomis psych upenn edu \( edwin barkdoll \) subject organization university pennsylvania lines 14 nntp posting host lepomis psych upenn edu article cup portal com mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) writes first , i'm mistaken , animals brown fat , humans human infants fat deposits adult humans believed brown fat also brown fat may play important role , definitely limited animals common energy source edwin barkdoll barkdoll lepomis psych upenn edu world std com
fiddler concertina eng sun com \( steve hix \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization sun lines 42 nntp posting host concertina article 1993apr21 news cs brandeis edu pip cc brandeis edu writes y'know , right bear arms invented , n't invented , supposed writers constitution universal , pre existing right worry shotgun pistol hmmm need spend time library , son bill rights written , addition \( \) shotgun pistol mention rifles ranging around 30 69 caliber cannon various different projectiles choose \( owned civilians \) breech loading rifles addition , semiautomatic full automatic firearms patented demonstrated several people various places preceding century , worry drive uzis entire neighborhood bullets sounds good actually happening , exaggeration effect following one incidents someone firing handful shots something may may uzi , semi full auto \? good , mean forever root conditions justified go away \( criminal behavior , either private government , defended \) , 's reason go away things important give away everybody else none left dieter car salesman
eric vitiello tfd coplex com \( eric vitiello \) subject 3ds te distribution world organization ky pc user 's group louisville , ky 502 423 reply eric vitiello tfd coplex com \( eric vitiello \) lines 20 rych festival ed ac uk \( r hawkes \) rh 've noticed save model \( mapping planes rh positioned carefully \) 3ds file reload restarting rh 3ds , given default position orientation save rh prj file positions orientation preserved anyone rh know information stored 3ds file \? nothing prj \( project \) format saves settings , right last render file 's name rh 'd like able read texture rule information , anyone rh format prj file \? sorry n't anything format r c v r deluxe 386 1 25 stupid line noise ! !
klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) subject imake tex looking beta testers organization cs department , dortmund university , germany lines 59 distribution world nntp posting host tommy informatik uni dortmund de article fbi news informatik uni dortmund de , klute tommy informatik uni dortmund de \( rainer klute \) writes announced x technical conference january , would like make imake tex , imake support using tex typesetting system , publically available currently imake tex beta test computer science department dortmund university , looking beta testers , preferably different tex imake installations judging responses far , made clear enough article quoted imake tex installing tex , using imake tex , never fiddle around calling latex various utility programs \( , bibtex \) simply type make document 's dvi file date write simple imakefile let imake generate suitable makefile imakefile include tex tmpl \( \) \( document \) generated makefile provides following commands make depend searching tex source files like input make dvi generate date dvi file make display screen make ps generate postscript version document make display make clean remove unnecessary things make remove even dvi file make makefiles generate makefiles subdirectories \) seems attractive , b \) willing test imake tex send short test report , c \) willing cope english documentation \( however , german version completed included \) , invited beta tester looking forward e mail dipl inform rainer klute r b immer richtig beraten univ dortmund , irb postfach 500500 \) tel 49 231 755 4663 w4600 dortmund 50 fax 49 231 755 2386 new address june 30th univ dortmund , 44221 dortmund
arun ece scarolina edu \( arun \) subject looking movies w bikes organization usc department computer science lines 9 grease ii \? \? \? \? \? arun cool rider 's look eyes , like black holes sky shine crazy
zellner stsci edu subject hst servicing mission lines 10 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article access digex net , prb access digex net \( pat \) writes space walking , going boost hst 's orbit think right 's sitting 180 miles , would like 220 idea come \? 's news ben
sysmgr king eng umd edu \( doug mohney \) subject want billion organization computer aided design lab , u maryland college park lines 18 reply sysmgr king eng umd edu nntp posting host queen eng umd edu article zoo toronto edu , henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes c'mon allen telling us cheap get improved sure , get launcher fairly cheap privately rather gummint project 're still talking something cost nine digits per launch , unless guarantee large market justify volume production let 's make deal ! 're going put billion , 'd want budget whole 450 600 million much money throw around first place , i'm going sign contract committing volume production software engineering \? 's like military intelligence , n't \? sysmgr cadlab eng umd edu
beck irzr17 inf tu dresden de \( andre beck \) subject pov ray vax computer \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \? organization dept computer science , tu dresden , germany lines 15 distribution world reply andre beck irs inf tu dresden de nntp posting host irzr17 inf tu dresden de get generic version \( unix vms \) build imho vms com file build supplied distribution comes tar z either uncompress tar vms unix machine handy usually wo n't find ibm pc specific archives , better ones \) brain inside andre' beck \( abpsoft \) mehl andre beck irs inf tu dresden de
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 16 nntp posting host tea eng umd edu keywords success article noose ecn purdue edu tbrent ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) writes check news today , \( ap \) authorities also found state art automatic machine gun investigators know cult 's arsenal carl stern , justice department yeah fire reportedly burned hotter 1000 degrees hot enough make bodies still authorities found gun fully automatic state art n't \? matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
mal s2 gatech edu \( dave meyers \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization georgia tech res inst modeling analysis lab lines 22 1993apr20 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes koreshians rubbed neither mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene , i'm particularly concerned \( shall blame jim jones government also \? \) suggestion davidians committed suicide completely without evidence except editorials please word propensity allegedly dousing oh , survivors claim fbi started burning accidentally kerosene lanterns \( remember 'd already cut power \) , propane tanks sounds lot likely committing suicide setting place david meyers \( math gatech edu \) encryption outlawed , outlaws kh n b mk
tony scotty dccs upenn edu \( anthony \) subject dispose old blessed palms \? organization university pennsylvania lines 10 proper way dispose old blessed palms \? bunch holding onto addition , mom giving 's used give uncle would burn \( leave ashes ground \) \? could bury \? could add compost bin \? thanks advance tony
galvint cs nps navy mil \( thomas galvin \) subject espn organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca lines 40 article randolin 3 polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu \( robert andolina \) writes thing confuses espn decided show penguins devils thursday night first two games dominated pitt , would think would show different game addition fact show games sake fair exposure owns rights bruin telecasts suspect going sell one telecast espn \( remember , espn owns exclusive rights finals , entire playoffs \) since espn bought sca contract , less showing devils penguins also , know \( far tell \) espn going show campbell conference games regularly first two rounds believe going show campbell games first two rounds series wear \( games 6 7 , perhaps games 5 , 6 , 7 \) think broadcast rights factor comes plus way fitting western game times current schedule unless nhl willing make western club move game think nhl got much could deck abc also , anyone info abc coverage sunday \( 4 25 \) \? exact coverage last week pit nj game 4 east , chi stl central , la cgy mountains west robert andolina randolin polisci umn edu tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject marx brother \( vhs \) forsale nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 21 following marx brothers tapes forsale would like sell batch possible \( except \) new , stored copies bought mgm ua day races circus big store mca duck soup animal crackers brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( nighthawk \) subject shaft drives wheelies organization university buffalo lines 40 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu article 1993apr21 colorado edu , laszlo eclipse cs colorado edu \( laszlo nemeth \) writes article wrs 4180 wslack uucp , wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) writes various posts shafties ca n't wheelies mike imposible due shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground good point john buddy mine told thing bmw r80gs dumped clutch 5 , \( hey , ito nly revved 7 \) know \? right ! uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! may able bounce front actually wheelie see shaft effect rear loads front shaft bike accelerate starts scraping corner laz sorry contradictory , 've nighthawk 45 horizon n't banked turn hard part getting front ground rev 7 , 000 drop clutch even harder keeping coming far use back brake well throttle , 'll wheelie like bike ethan ethan dod 682 1983 nighthawk hey cuts hair man \? nothing clears mind quite chong like maxed tach closed mouth contains feet buried speedometer unknown
kaw uucp \( workman \) subject 9600 baud reply kaw uucp \( ka workman \) organization aeronautical radio , inc , annapolis lines 2 've similar problems downloading using , discovered disabled data compression modem , works fine
heiser acs2 bu edu \( bill heiser \) subject ford probe opinions \? \( centered around gt \) organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 152 article 1993apr20 5357 ncsu edu chuck eos ncsu edu \( chuck kesler \) writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says anyone offer opinions ford probe ala long run , repair records , reliability , mileage , etc \? owners ford probe world std com mailing list commented problem , n't seen happen 3 month old '93 probe gt think may something ford corrected since initial batch cars also , someone said ford issued service bulletin inform dealers correct problem , may able get dealer fix probe looked twice local dealer \( purchased car \) first time , made problem worse second time , advising service bulletin mentioned ford probe mailing list \( said n't know bulletin \) , adjusted window made much better however makes noise rough roads , still open close window wet weather \( anyone elses 's \? \) ford gives 1 key car c'mon ford , spend extra pennies ! got two keys car , one remote entry push button ! , bought 93 2500 miles , think may i'm surprised something missing \( horn buttons behind air bag spokes center \( personal preference \) seriously considering following advice owners manual describes procedure follow discover something ford could cause serious injury threaten lives etc \) something notifying national traffic safety group well ford little 've got position fingers perfectly make beep buttons terrible latter probably air bag 's pretty much takes space 'd expect find horn speaking horn , surprised find probe comes one nice sounding horns instead japanese sounding kind previous probes japanese horns well , guess 's good way , way 's bad someone hears kind horn , expect see big american car may associate sound small jap car style car \( like probe \) tires fling dirt mud onto side car yeah , badly , enough annoying sometimes help lot transmission \( 5 speed must \) always 5 speed guy almost every car 've ever owned 5 speed got good deal car 2500 miles , \( knowingly \) overlooked fact automatic pretty high tech automatic fully controlled 4 speed torque converter lockup even automatic , i'm getting 35 mpg highway , driving 65 70 ! \( course driving 65 illegal , probably made sentence \) \) around town mileage around 25 27 , bad automatic course n't control 5 speed , since lot city driving , turns convenient 's nice able drink cup coffee drive time \( although , , illegal like control life massachusetts \) shake rattle noises going bumps potholes \( still ! \) shakes rattles main gripe 've gotten fix worst , fear rather harsh ride , car virtual rattles gets older tires 225 goodyear eagles \( 70 left hoping 30k \) 89 probe gl , got 40k original , driven replacement tires \( \) 50k miles car 195 65 \( 60 \? \) 93 probe look like 're designed performance \( ie rather wide , shallow tread , etc \) , probably wo n't last long car handles well sticks road like glue , even rough surface interior , nice pleasing eye , ergonomically sound definitely ford mazda nice job one car much expensive actually look feel yes , car 's stiff suspension n't everyone personally like , find little harsh otherwise like car , 'd strongly suggest looking mx 6 driven 89 probe 4 years , find 93 suspension interesting car actually drives much better 89 firm ride , definitely know every bump road yet car remains civilized even roads hear feel bumps , yet car posture well 3 passengers , means bring along 'll find room back 'll find car rides differently \( 's better \) well would n't encourage passenger carrying probe unless person front seat likes sit knees dash mentioned consumer reports write ups , consider back seat parcel shelf though \( , 'd bought car ! \( 's definitely family car \) \) also , 's lot glass around n't expecting temperature inside car gets pretty hot summer c must probe 89 93 93 particular sends real blast cool air ac max lots glass mentioned gives car good visibility reports see write ups sports sporty cars n't good visibility 've heard exhaust system trouble , mine works fine n't heard one know early probes \( '89 maybe '90 \) problems prematurely mufflers \( complaints 've heard exhaust system \( 93 's \) gt course different engine , exhaust system one 89 qualified free replacement since already replaced muffler received notice , due refund ford applied february still waiting \( gave free rental car day half without car quite happy way handled especially considering expecting worst ! yes pretty amazed car touch adjustments past week , keep overnight \( busy get \) offered pay rental \) make pay taxes insurance though \( 've heard , sounds like ford mazda qc problems probe \( probably mx 6 \) first went production , think problems mostly corrected point 's almost always expected completely new car like , though agree seem qc seriously feel car design sound , expect well bill heiser heiser acs bu edu , heiser world std com boston university , boston
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject contradiction mormonism organization university georgia , athens lines 9 contradiction related moral issue polygamy mormon writings book book mormon called book jacob , joseph smith wrote abomination god david solomon many wives later , joseph smith wrote doctrines covenants \( possibly polygamy becoming issue personal life \) wrote abomination david many wives mormons answer contradiction \? link hudson
jcn rice edu \( jeff nichols \) subject help adjust tappits organization rice university , biochemistry lines 16 article morgan demon co uk , tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) wrote article jcn lactose rice edu jcn rice edu writes speaking shims , would clearance valves get smaller , e need use thinner shim \? valve seat wear \? okay , okay forgot jeff nichols rice university
subject secret source announcement pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) organization computer science dept university auckland lines 56 lerami lerctr org merlin lerami lerctr org \( david hayes \) writes ok , andrew , 'll provide evidence friend mine worked electronics manufacturer west coast office routinely sold equipment japanese one day , japanese started showing discount demands amazingly close cost manufacture products company routinely sent manufacturing data field offices japanese simply intercepted friend , computer systems admin , came solution started sending data double block encrypted des two days new distribution plan implemented , president company got visit pair government agents told knock president gave , since company considerable business federal government , government n't monitoring communications , would even know encryption system installed \? , since tion n't illegal , des certainly n't , basis government 's cease desist demand \? something similar happened ages ago working pgp used send short messages development issues simply test new features around time pgp \( certainly newer version \) unknown suddenly admin site using received request stop sending encrypted email almost way automatic scanner could found , since would n't known pgp must checked unknown data types message , tried , found could n't get past pem armour part , contacted sysadmin asked stop luckily current email carriers less picky goes networks \) case people think email scanning n't take place , assure done regularly many sites usually government agencies \( least know \) , local administrators , reasons , decided monitor communications \( i'm sure think whole mess reasons stop hackers terrorists child pornographers drug dealers evil commies whatever \) several occasions 've got people trouble simply including traditional nsa bait message \( n't try \) friend mine picked mentioning name uk town \( hint look words embedded \) i'm sure many examples happening \( fact anyone examples 'd appreciate hearing could use ammunition talks privacy issues \) peter pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz p gutmann cs aukuni ac nz gutmann p kosmos wcc govt nz gen nz peter nacjack gen nz peter nacjack gen nz \( order preference one 'em 's bound work \) n't vote 'll encourage
organization american university university computing center zhao auvm american edu subject need iconized printer utility lines 2 looking printer utility stay window 3 1 icon let drag file issue printing
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject hot key screen saver \? organization george washington university lines 6 well , renaming screensavers \( scr \) exe , running , , \( n't tried changing win ini , effect \) shows setup dialog box , n't enable saver mickey
bsc graham vd seqeb gov au subject fm transmitter ics help ! ! ! ! ! organization south east queensland electricity board lines 13 trying design small fm transmitter remote alarm use fm transmitter ic available used purpose \? help , circuits , info etc accepted please reply bsc graham seqeb gov au thanks advance graham
richmond spiff princeton edu \( stupendous man \) subject interstellar 3 4k notes pluto charon talk pluto mission originator news nimaster keywords goofed nntp posting host spiff princeton edu organization princeton university lines 73 \( sci space readers skip first paragraph \) yesterday , response henry spencer 's question temperature blackbody interstellar space , said dust grains acts blackbodies , 're 40 150 k well , dead wrong local interstellar dust expert , bruce , informed dust grains n't good radiators far ir , warm actually , ambient radiation field distant stars bring true blackbody 3 4 kelvin sorry , henry , anyone else misled obviously , time take another ism class \( news , alan stern southwest research institute gave talk pluto charon binary system yesterday gave brief overview currently accepted system parameters \( volume ratio 8 1 , mass ratio 15 1 , plus lots \) gave thoughts formation pluto charon idea lots lots small outer solar system , masses distributed power law kind time , accreted larger bodies got scattered solar system close encounters jupiter saturn , many accreted gas giants , especially uranus neptune large captured neptune call triton captured \? perhaps collision smaller , already existing moon , perhaps close passage neptune 's atmosphere aerobraking ! notes two recently discovered kuiper belt objects , 1992 qb1 1993 fw , plus chiron , mass , identifies group one larger bodies triton pluto charon pluto charon , thinks , formed impacting body hit proto pluto , knocking material ring around pluto later accreted charon similar ideas formation earth 's moon good evidence spectra surfaces pluto charon different \( pluto methane frost , charon n't \) , used evidence impact theory believes may around 1000 pluto chiron sized objects remaining relatively stable zone outside neptune 's orbit , beyond 35 au 1992 qb1 1993 fw first members population found , model note bodies dark , since surfaces covered methane frost , dark , long chain hydrocarbons reason pluto high albedo \( around 0 5 , think \) surface warms enough around perihelion , atmosphere freezes , thirty years later , forms bright , new frost bodies much farther away 30 au going hard see hope n't made errors transcription see howling mistake , 's undoubtedly mine , way , 's one top guns behind pluto fast flyby mission \( think \) , said current plans use titan 4 send probe trajectory pluto \( speaking loosely time \) 'd like use proton , gives slightly smaller velocity costs much less figures 500 million 2 titan 4 launches \( two separate probes , launched separately \) , 120 million 2 proton launches told story soviets originally offered sell proton launches 30 million , forced increase prices us order allowed marketplace i'm telling said michael michael richmond heart broke finger richmond astro princeton edu
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject waco survivors 1715 19 april lines 106 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article apm hpopdlau pwd hp com , apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) writes path dscomsa ! dxcern ! mcsun ! uknet ! pipex ! uunet ! think com ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! apm apm hpopdlau pwd hp com \( andrew merritt \) article 1993apr19 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes note insufficient emotion amongst five survivors waco debacle , two brits aussie anglo saxon persona really n't lend martyrdom spurious messiah n't see draw conclusion around 20 80 inside buildings british \( one quarter \) two eight \( latest count heard \) survivors british \( one quarter \) anyhow , british n't equate anglo saxon exactly trying say \? fire engines within mile compound \? gun loonies firing vehicles 50mm range 3000 meters next question problem course laws allow bunch raving nutters collect huge stack arms first place sequence events meant really option attempt sort breakthrough via intervention fbi stomach could mounted commando type raid attempted save children shooting adults really win situation koresh plenty opportunity give stand trial murder 4 atf officers instead ordered murder children order reject word fbi batf neccessary beleive words man murdered 17 children ordered suicide murder 80 followers according account given batf attempted serve warrant upon koresh ranch met gunfire deliberate attempt murder koresh gun supporter claim batf started shooting simply stand aft gone start shooting would gone heavier grade weaponry standard issue handguns practical purposes unarmed , b followers automatic weapons b seige could allowed go indefinitely b quite capable commiting mass suicide murdering children time commando assault likely action could achieved objective , would risky , orders harder iranian embassy seige airplanes embassies designed defense attack ranch apocalypse 6 terrorists far easier without casualties 80 allowing siege go option either , besides serious risk koresh would proclaim armageddon moment question difficulties keeping team standby prolonged period longer siege went mentally prepared koresh followers would prolonged siege rather go prematurely mistake probably go soon think better way getting children \? 100 certain way \? people want gun control must obviously discount entire government story simply rationalisation enough simply dismiss government incompetent would require come solution instead come government conspiracy theory whereby government decided set murder 80 people set sort scare alow get gun control legislation conspiracy theory assumes batf deliberately got 4 agents killed fbi etc actually enjoy sitting middle texas shot religious nutters still conspiracy theory comforting , allows pretend waco proves nothing except incompetent government resolving hostage crisis govt world ever faced comparable situation , quite probably manner could peacefully resolved blame rest fbi , rests fact koresh allowed get far , particular person tipped b advance murder 4 atf agents 17 children conscience large number people us predict end society preach salvation armed security fact people pose threat society first place next waco may religious nutters political movement splinter group klux klan taking black area example holding several hundred children hostage possible solution situations work prevent arising government world faced situation government allowed high power weaponry become avaliable little hitler would messiah set dictator little empire phill hallam baker
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution usa lines 83 article news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes yeah , information trickles funny works funny , yeah , funny n't wait fbi spokesdroid latest reversal facts proclaiming bd 's burned death wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? post press said , wished said medical examiner refuted fbi facts n't believe someone lot reason impartial say moron illiterate \? facts fbi neither willing grant sake argument read following proclaimed monday suddenly n't facts anymore tuesday press conference n't pay attention one source , neither abandon critical thinking , disregard sources information substitute pet theories likely get wild basing theories reported media government facts reported press impartial government sources support evidence anyone setting fire deliberately simpleton actually evidence fire set deliberately survivors ir tape showing fire set 3 places soot fire giving \( indications gasoline feeding fire \) testimony , press conference , fbi said testimony , survivors reported cnn wire service said survivors gave consistent stories refuting fbi lighting heating trying prove 're idiot might believe 1 2 totally paranoid skeptical , 3rd point visible anyone watches tapes fire started bbq grill basing statements \? oh , forgot , 're guy n't know microwave oven need electricity , never mind ho ho ho listen npr , watch cnn , nbc also read papers get \? open eyes ears , least 3 4 sources reported full shit personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \? wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
westes netcom com \( estes \) subject wanted '92 toyota previa trac , low miles organization mail group x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 6 i'm looking buy '92 toyota previa trac low miles selling one , want someone buy existing lease , please contact mail estes internet westes netcom com
organization ministry education , computer center netnews system v2 3 twnmoe10 bitnet subject mac ii vi discontinued good buy \? lines 15 local dealer offering mac ii vi machines equipped kodak multi session compatible cd rom drives seems like attractive price 1500 've used many models ii ci , would first could mac safe buy discontinued model 'd like cd rom drive , put housing share pc feasible \? info ii vi relatively slow \( 16mhz \) , 68030 chip math coprocessor want add non apple portrait monitor use machine hypercard stack design good buy , would wasting money \? would appreciate advice thanks ! robert matthews twnmoe10 bitnet edu tw \( taiwan \)
jones chpc utexas edu \( william l jones \) subject outline scalable fonts versus bitmap replicated scalable fonts organization university texas system chpc lines 24 looking scaling code realized 1 \) problem resolution due installation problem 2 \) x server font server rescale best font find meet requirements means server return response like following adobe medium normal 0 0 75 75 p 0 iso8859 1 ask adobe medium normal 14 100 90 90 p 0 iso8859 1 generate try always use known pixel sizes bill jones
fredm media mit edu \( fred g martin \) subject adapter iisi vga monitor organization mit media laboratory lines 60 article 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu choi uchicago edu \( choi \) writes understand correct adapter use vga monitor iisi adapters working specific brands \? adapter nec sony working brands \? using vga monitor iisi month soon n't clue monitor 's story \( 1 \) iisi cannot supply vga output however \( 2 \) vga type monitors adequately deal video signal mac uses drive apple 13 14 inch high resolution color display e , apple 's 640x480 mode , wish hook one monitors iisi , need \( \) adapter converts mac db 15 connector vga style high density db 15 connector , tells mac use 's 640x480 mode , vga 640x480 mode , \( b \) vga monitor deal higher bandwidth mac 640x480 mode vga 640x480 mode \( stated \( 1 \) , iisi cannot produce \) far \( \) concerned , contact james engineering , inc ave el , ca 510 525 7350 fax 510 525 probably get right adapter remember want run mill mac vga adapter , try iisi produce vga mode , cannot \( computer fail produce video signal \) instead , want adapter connects mac style vga style connectors , tells mac use apple 640x480 mode sorry poor terminology available describing distinction far \( b \) concerned , make sure get monitor deal horizontal bandwidth 35 khz vertical rate 67 hz spec 's apple 's 640x480 mode comparison , vga standard 640x480 mode uses 31 5 khz horizontal bandwidth 60 hz vertical rate monitor probably need auto capability , apple mode 'll using n't one set standard modes pc compatible world good luck ! fred martin fred martin fredm media mit edu \( 617 \) 253 20 ames st rm 301 epistemology learning group , mit media lab cambridge , 02139 usa
jc minya uucp \( john chambers \) subject painting increasing resolution lines 40 people working cubes come need , seems someone might done already , point tools would help 'd like given window taking long time draw \( either data arriving slow link , display across slow link \) , would like first paint low resolution version picture , repaint higher resolution thus , picture might first generated 1 4 resolution , 4x4 square pixels filled single color next , 4x4 square would replaced 4 squares finally 1x1 version would painted since one scenarios window side slow link , low res version obviously would n't transmitted bitmap would n't help instead , would process far end receives low res picture small bitmap , blows pixel square \( sorta like programs \) brings question whether x server help , window opened , way ask filter program run process pixels \? way use something like rsh start remote process \( permission denied \) , open local window \? seems likely scenario library routine starts program remotely , accepts bitmaps , compressing one amount , sending remote program expand something x help , 's nice hear \( looked several , 's , obviously n't know keywords \) someone nifty tool available packages , might want get copy oh , yes run suns part idea build demos show things run across , say , 4800 bps link , fast pictures would appear customer would get feel speed need pay auto industry like computer industry , car would cost 5 , would get 5000 miles gallon , random times would explode , killing passengers
astro ocis temple edu \( george \) subject triumph convertible organization temple university lines 29 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 f r l e triumph '76 , 1500 convertible 54 , original miles color wooden dashboard rust garage kept heater chrome bumpers \( black plastic crap \) brand new top asking 3 , 000 negotiable mechanically car good shape running strong \( know mean \) \) plenty catalogs manuals coming car interested car please reply message interested willing sell parts car good condition strip george astro ocis temple edu
grant cs uct ac za \( grant wyatt \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? organization computer science department , university cape town lines 18 may 14 02 11 36 1993 athos rutgers edu tas pegasus com \( len howard \) writes question satan taught long time ago satan really angel god kicked heaven challenged god 's authority problem , cannot find bible bible \? , originate \? ref rev 12 7 12 deleted also read ezek 28 13 19 lucifer \( later satan \) beautiful , etc , etc grant god given us spirit fear , , ` , spirit love , power sound \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) mind 2 tim 1 7 phone 27 21 650 4057
bill emx cc utexas edu \( bill \) subject behave \( waco reading suggestion \) organization university texas austin , austin , texas lines 19 nntp posting host emx cc utexas edu would like understand better sort behavior saw connection waco tragedy , 'd strongly recommend reading prophecy fails , leon , henry , stanley \( available harper \) goes long way towards explaining belief system strong withstand even overwhelming evidence least , read first chapter interestingly , branch davidians roots seventh day adventist movement , roots movement first half 19th century movement expected end world 1843 , disappointed take place , wound church bill meet buddha net , put kill file robert
visser convex com \( lance visser \) subject welcome police state usa nntp posting host dhostwo convex com organization engineering , convex computer corp , richardson , tx , usa x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 39 c5rusq m6m news cso uiuc edu azoghlin uxa cso uiuc edu \( old freshman \( vof \) \) writes critisism easy solutions people would better fbi last months \? seige began surround place razor wire let sit daily press conferences , best keep things press things get miserable inside , one two things going happen 1 people start coming 2 commit suicide mass point thing remember \( 2 \) hysterical situations play hands leader picked course much easier people something like suicide gas coming bullets air let hungry miserable longer longer probably effective possiblity would kill point would bother least alter tactics people going take lives , best probably prevent giving opportunity excuse fbi attorney general really concerned sanitation welfare children inside , would turned water compound pressure tactic first place
zyeh caspian usc edu \( zhenghao yeh \) subject rgb hvs , back organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host caspian usc edu little answer see foley , van dam , feiner , hughes , computer graphics principles practice , second edition people would read book , 75 percent questions would disappear overnight really think less 10 yeh usc
mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu subject pens fans reactions organization post office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 12 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu sure bashers pens fans pretty confused lack kind posts recent pens massacre devils actually , bit puzzled bit relieved however , going put end non relief bit praise pens man , killing devils worse thought jagr showed much better regular season stats also lot fo fun watch playoffs bowman let jagr lot fun next couple games since pens going beat pulp jersey anyway disappointed see islanders lose final regular season game pens rule ! ! !
seth adam eliot se08 andrew cmu edu subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization doctoral student , materials science engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 22 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply cbnews cb att com excerpts netnews talk politics guns 21 apr 93 dayton gun buy back \( larry cipriani cbnews cb something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works pro gun people take used pot metal guns sale values less 50 00 turn , thus making profit gun grabbers expense seth unlike cats dogs never scratch wash become sad try figure wrong dave barry seth eliot dept material science engineering carnegie mellon univerity , pittsburgh , pa arpa eliot cmu edu se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject waco burning organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! lines 43 originator rja mahogany126 nntp posting host mahogany126 article 1993apr22 linus mitre org , bs gauss mitre org \( robert silverman \) writes article mojo eng umd edu russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) writes article 4ta noose ecn purdue edu garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu \( david garrod \) writes b b c world news service , short wave , originating london , reports survivor waco massacre states tank , making hole wall building , knocked kerosene lamp fire started attempts made people inside put fire , spread quickly 're hearing sure rings true 's consistent way mass suicide fire survivor also saying rings true \? \? \? \? separate report overhead helicopter recording entire incident video tape visual record several files \( think number 3 mentioned \) starting different parts compound video made public \? fbi spokesman also said first knew fire black smoke started pouring , later said three different fbi agents saw b members starting fires also fbi claims listening devices \( bugs \) compound make public tapes b said \? , attempt blame fbi starting fire simply looks like attempt survivor shift blame away b 's think crock well sealing initial search warrent , keeping media miles away , letting b talk public , making contradictory statements , releasing tapes steps ensure public confidence actions russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
maddox bose com \( john maddox \) subject color tektronics term emulation originator maddox oz keywords xterm tek nntp posting host oz organization bose corporation lines 5 anyone know x based terminal emulator emulate color tektronics graphics terminal tek tek , etc \?
erika cts com \( erik astrup \) subject octane \? organization x newsreader tin 1 1 pl4 lines 26 jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes know kind gas buy \? depending compression ratio engine heard ok , kind gas goes kind compression i'm asking used put 87 hawk gt day , changed wanted see difference n't know i'm subjective , seems like bike runs better ! run bike lowest octane run smoothly higher octane fuel better lower octane gas pick last american roadracing magazine 's short article octane misconceptions many people make subject look owners manual believe states 87 fine erik astrup afm 422 dod 683 1993 cbr 900rr 1990 cbr 600 1990 concours 1990 ninja 250 one goes eleven nigel tufnel , lead guitar , spinal tap
k044477 hobbes kzoo edu \( jamie r mccarthy \) subject new study gay percentage summary clayton puts foot mouth organization kalamazoo college lines 11 cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes median number sexual partners men 20 39 7 3 n't forget 25 20 partners surprising remember , study includes homosexuals well would make number 15 , right clayton \? jamie mccarthy internet k044477 kzoo edu applelink j mccarthy
ucbeh san uc edu subject viewing jpeg files distribution world organization univ cincinnati academic services lines 5 view jpeg files without special hardware \? lucy wilson , access services librarian college engineering , university cincinnati
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject tex texture map format \? organization center instructional research computing activities lines 9 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu avalon today found texture maps tex txc format , something 've never encountered obviously tex latex files clue convert something reasonable , please let know brian
simon giaeb cc monash edu au subject virtues purity , modesty innocence organization monash university , melb , australia lines 154 heres nice story help explain virtues purity , innocence modesty , importance beautiful virtues story excerpt taken basket flowers johann christoph von certain little market town , hundred years ago , lived upright intelligent man named jacob married virtuous young woman lived happily humble home midst large , beautiful val ley living many , happy years together , jacob 's wife died , leaving alone one friend daughter mary even child mary pretty grew years , , innocence , modesty ss towards came contact , gave beauty rare peculiar charm face look goodness , seemed almost though one looked upon angel mary 's greatest delight beautiful garden favour flowers violet , lily rose jacob loved point virtues becoming gender , early march brought first violet called upon admire , said let modest violet , dear mary , image benevolence good secret clothes tender colours modesty prefers bloom retired fills air remain ing hidden beneath leaves may also , dear mary , like retiring violet , avoiding vain display , seeking attract public eye , preferring ever good peace one morning roses full bloom garden appeared richest array , jacob said daughter , pointed beautiful lily , morning sun let lily dear child , purity look beautiful , pure fair ! whi test nothing compared purity like snow happy whose heart pure free stain purest colours also hardest 5 preserve pure easily lily touch roughly stain left behind way , word thought may stain purity innocence ! pointing rose said let rose dear mary , modesty beautiful colour rose rises cheek modest girl sign still pure heart innocent thought happy suggestion thought , cause , thus put guard approach danger readily remain long time hue , fail least thought soon become pale wan , go time grave among many fruit trees garden one prized others apple tree , much larger rose bush , stood middle garden mary 's father planted day born every year bore number beautiful apples earlier usual unusual tree one mass mary delighted went every morning soon dressed look , full bloom , called father said look father , beautiful ! ever lovely red white \? whole tree looks like one huge bunch flowers ! next morning garden feast eyes upon tree grief see frost destroyed flowers become brown yellow sun came forth strength fell ground mary wept bitter tears sight said father thus , sinful pleasure destroy bloom youth oh child , never cease remember dreadful path right ! behold example apple tree image would happen wander way hopes conduct raised heart vanish , merely day year , life ah , much bitter would tears would shed lapse virtue course ! life would joys tears eyes 6 go grave spoke , tears stood eyes mary deeply moved , words uttered made profound impression upon mind never forgot eyes father loving wise , amid flowers garden , mary grew daily stature rose , pure lily retiring violet , full promise tree laden happy old man times behold fruits garden rewarded diligent toil much happiness content mark gracious effect produced upon heart mind beloved daughter teaching example jacob several roses , tied together bunch gave mary words lily rose , sister flowers , belong one incomparable beauty , ren still lovely together way dear child innocence modesty twin sisters virtue cannot separated greatest powerful guardian purity thought presence god internet simon giaeb cc monash edu au rey ! ! long live christ king
vanover boeing com \( vanover \) subject file sharing magneto \? organization boeing computer services , seattle lines 11 hi ! co worker attached magneto optical drive mac works great however , tried turn file sharing , would n't work message volumes \? \? \? anyone success sharing mos \? , please tell ! vanover atc boeing com
camelot bradley edu \( karen \) subject got saved organization bradley university lines 42 well , certainly turned first paragraph oft used ca n't count times 've heard common tactics anymore 'you may believe n't change fact 's old analogy trusting parents sheesh need point parents show children right \? difference capability alone crushes analogy , christianity seen turned beliefs seek fact knowledge get , evidence belief ca n't far christians received neither becoming christian problems asked one explain actual evidence always see person 's outside always specific , somewhat miraculous example truth god working help followers happened nearly 4 years accident severe complications triple left leg surgery pins put , removed bone perfectly healed could detected yet constant pain ankle foot always swollen developed leg , none could explained best specialists sophisticated tests te northern illinois region went everywhere one could explain summer \( june 19 , 1991 exact \) gave life heart christ vowed control life \( never really anyway \) cross fact whole life screwed trying fix facing possibility lifetime \( confined one order save legs damage since cause problems unknown , 2 1 2 months day \) found ore coincidental less 2 weeks put faith mouth , one long line doctors even specialist , diagnosed problems difficulty , set path effective cure , walking running without pain stopped 4 years diagnosis something felt doctors must overlooked perfectly obvious test results maybe n't hit miraculous really imagine active 17 year old told may able walk longer happy 18 year old dance run knowing problem along revealed knew right song says god awesome god
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject earthquake prediction organization university georgia , athens lines 20 article may 11 02 37 28 1993 athos rutgers edu dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes 4 god call prophet misrepresent god 's word , calling would lost forever god 's word would command people never listen fear words would false prophet bridges would burnt forever perhaps could repent saved , could never prophet god though command law heed one prophecies falsely , still possible one prophecied falsely prophecy truely take , example story kings man god judah came israel prophecied king lord commanded eat drink till returned home another prophet wanted man god stay house , prophecied falsely lord wanted man god stay house ate drank house , lord gave prophet lied word man god would die breaking word lord came pass link hudson
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject portland earthquake organization university georgia , athens lines 19 article may 7 01 09 33 1993 athos rutgers edu cctr114 cantua canterbury ac nz \( bill rea \) writes history seems imply pretty serious sin one pastors church attend , christchurch city , considers prophesy natural disaster judgement lord clear sign prophesy lord would like see reasoning behind may gotten burned natural disaster prophecies , mean every natural disaster judgement prophecy false take quick look book jeremiah obvious judgement prophecies valid us , seems like might problem positive prophecies , though sure may people judgement sometimes god give words difficult swallow relative prophecy grounds dismiss much ot happy stuff link hudson
cbnewsg cb att com \( michael p \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? organization lines 20 article may 14 02 11 36 1993 athos rutgers edu tas pegasus com \( len howard \) writes hi eddie , many people believe battle described rev 12 7 12 describes casting satan heaven fall earth shalom , len howard luke 10 16 18 sent seventy returned joy , saying , lord , even devils subject unto us thy name said unto , satan lightning fall heaven prayer today spoken , please offer bridge heaven broken 're lost wild wild seas lost wild wild sea
javad hplabsz hpl hp com \( mash javad \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization ye sar e lines 65 article 1993may13 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes problem blue berets bosnia dead meat clinton starts bombing , clinton n't courage ask blue berets leave , becomes primarily responsible bosnian policy un allies clinton wants cake eat wants feel free use american military power sake domestic us politics domestic image , n't want assume primary international leadership role un among allies , like bush , faults , gulf war leadership comes responsibility , clinton seems want retain europeans one ridiculous arguments heard europeans let 's let serbs massacre , rape , ethnically clean 100 , 000 bosnians n't want pretty blue berets get scratched well , say , get hell 're worried , n't deny bosnians basic right self defense ! lift embargo bosnia , let defend makes un troops valuable bosnian people \? letting civilians die soldiers could survive , anything , way around idiots like owen expect bosnians swallow forced plan , hope problem go away well 're wrong got butts gear \( , bosnia oil \) year ago , much could prevented , however , results tragedy last generations 's like forcing jews make peace hitler yeah right , senator biden said , bigotry , makes decent human matter , quite sick europeans , americans , take ask support backyard , americans today 's bosnia , tomorrow macedonia , greece , turkey , damn thing spread mention european muslims n't even practicing rally fundamentalism good luck handling , majesty ! owen upset question compared chamberlain , hoped appease hitler said chamberlain munich 2 years war , blazing war last 18 months well , makes even worse , chamberlain could least argued i'm giving germany benefit doubt , whereas owen ca n't even west aiding serbs tying hands , making stupid excuse powerless troops ground , ca n't even protect bosnian foreign minister armored vehicle , watch killers walk away ! kind peace \? kind civilization \? clinton wants leave europeans charge responsible , wants side gets hot , wants able cut run american public may easily fooled european leaders n't european leaders pathetic , helping genocide even able forget yeah , 'll go africa fight damn dictator former colony , 'll go kuwait fight oil , bosnia wo n't fight aggression , 'll even tie hands victim tell fooling gerald mash javad
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject manual shift bigots organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 29 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) says article 1993apr21 1501 rtsg mot com , kissane black berkeley edu \( john g kissane \) writes matter interest anyone know autos popular us europe rare \? \? \? wondering many cities , traffic signals every 100 feet \( , course \( well ottawa anyway \) \) roads shifting manually real pain left foot also , canadians stupid learn shift manually \( gee , gotta co two feet clutch , brake accelerator , gotta steer , shift operate signals \( optional \) radio two hands duh agree wholeheartedly ! ! ca n't done \) also , north american made cars come automatic standard equipment , bother manual car shift addition money sure ca , us , manuals quite often standard equipment course , finding car one might hard , read sticker window , additional 2k tacked lousy tranny actually paying , 's sometimes hard find one equipped standard \( applies cars , eg , , etc \) drew
kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! nntp posting host sora icd ab com organization allen bradley company , inc lines 37 nl oracle com \( jason durbin \) writes even half speculations conspiracy made true , would expect people calling atf , fbi , texas rangers , congress branches us government immediately disbanded exceptions jeez , people really beleive crap \? also beleive zionist occupation government tooth fairy \? jason 've heard people talking dismissed conspiracy nuts , nobody seems talking conspiracy , least beginning lot bad decisions went tragedy , people may taking serious evasive action avoid held responsible unexpected results bad decisions actually , ones see tied conspiracy theory ones raving deranged cultists weapons suicide admittedly mistakes made attribute malice rather stupidity \? think lot us following pretty closely beginning , probably agree tragedy result stupidity malice jason durbin oracle europe
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem distribution world lines 51 news service uci edu , tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) wrote article eggertj moses mit edu eggertj mit edu writes article 3j1 bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes aware incidents article cbnewsj cb att com avr cbnewsj cb att com \( adam v reed \) writes 've read history books dealing period , good bad , possible missed one two , none 've read documents razing mosques think remarkable claim requires specific documentation forgetful newcomers , references reference based posting originally book west bank story , rafik \( new york 1982 original title die story \) quoting west bank story , pages 35 36 night june 10 , israeli officer marched door door moghrabi quarter east jerusalem giving residents three hours' notice evacuate homes participants july 24 , 1967 meeting group arab political figures protested dress israelis visiting mosques destruction two mosques moghrabi quarter adjacent western wall issue going presentation one reference probably wo n't resolve issue oppose insistence mosques destroyed even location one reference , spend quote dealing incidence , , nothing issue hand , end quote , almost hand comment two mosques destroyed tim , 're missing big hand accept every word quoted still zero evidence mosques razed note refers mosques razed people protested alleged razing well know common tactic \( anyone forgotten temple mount riots , moslem crowd led believe israeli guards cover instead stop \? \) c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
colling ann arbor applicon slb com \( michael collingridge \) subject nhl scoring leaders organization schlumberger cad cam ann arbor , michigan \( usa \) lines 10 time nhl leading goal scorers \( denotes active player \) 1 gordie howe det hfd 801 2 wayne gretzky edm la 765 wonder many years take beat one \? \) mike
gladman ecf toronto edu \( gladman aviv \) subject blue led 's organization university toronto , engineering computing facility distribution sci electronics lines 22 article inqmind bison mb ca baden inqmind bison mb ca \( baden de bari \) writes 's story 're stuck regular green , red , yellow orange led 's ! \? gives ! ! \? \? anybody 'scoop' fairly low priced blue led 's \? \? \? order emit blue light , semiconductor must band gap energy within region 2 6 2 8 electron volts according physical electronics prof , ca n't get led band gap 's n't find blue leds , matter , colour leds say blue leds ca n't found 've seen 'blue' leds sold , typical visible light led blue plastic covering n't emit much light source solid state electronic devices \( ben g , 3d ed , prentice hall \) right planet , wrong universe douglas adams took bones , would n't mr
inmos co uk \( jeremy thomas \) subject pc diy 486dx pcs organization inmos limited , bristol , uk distribution uk lines 10 i'm interested building pc anyone recommend \( uk available \) book subject , sources parts \? alternatively , anyone recommend source 486dx \( 33mhz \) pc \( uk available \) 've seen computer weekly march '93 price fallen sterling \( including os , monitor , keyboard , delivery vat \) , ca n't find single advert would give system price many thanks help
bowmanj csn org \( jerry bowman \) subject help ! ! ! \( buick regal \) nntp posting host fred colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , ocs lines 36 article ulowell ulowell edu cs ulowell edu \( gerry \) writes ! ! ! ! i'm going crazy 1981 buick regal 100 , 000 miles recently , go bump size , rear drivers 's side th e car feels like something hitting floor board noise going around corner less weight tire wh en hit bump whole brake drum today , checked car see th e muffler hitting something cant seem find anything eve seems tight ideas \? could bee shock \? way tell \? anything help greatly appreciated gerry check shocks mount , ends type loop \? , lack better term , bolt like piece sticking , rubber bushing loop bolt \? crushed allowing metal metal contact \? hope make sense good luck
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject vhs broadcast tapes forsale organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 5 fresh stock vhs broadcast master tapes , album covers , forsale unopened still plastic sell lot 50 \( worth around 75 discount video warehouse \) \( fuji broadcast master \) send e mail
adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu subject mr2 noisy engine nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 29 article engr washington edu , eliot stalfos engr washington edu \( eliot \) writes article 1993apr21 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes sound describes common older toyota engine ever heard n't know relevance observations oil changes , simply makes noise annoying , mind hear well engine right behind left ear \) think 1 6 mr2 's would describe engine sweet little loud , 2 2 mr2 's ca n't imagine unbiased person paying compliments sounded like ex 's rusty chevy 1 6 would want redline music , 2 2 would short shift would shut new camry 2 2 features balance shafts guess since mr2 getting axe , late anything mystery turbo mr2 2 liters engineers enough integrity prevent abuses also , europe mr2 non turbo also 2 liters usual , american market \( japanese must good \) gets dogs fair , also got turbo , europeans well , 1 6 music ears often turn stereo run towards red line nice twisty roads toyota engines idle strange bottom sound ca n't describe better like older characteristic sound idle know i'm referring \? mike
lmtra uts amdahl com \( leon traister \) subject earwax keywords earwax organization amdahl corporation , sunnyvale ca lines 32 stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes healthiest way deal earwax \? one leave ear mess , clean every often \? cleaning damage \? tubes ear might get blocked \? assuming wax causing hearing loss , congestion popping ears , try cautious water bulb syringe , awkward oneself may work may even make things worse \( wife would disagree , successfully every six months \) case attempt anything q tips ! ! ! experience initially best handled ear nose throat person say initially , ent evaluate whether might success little instruction physician \( obviously , term \) posting based personal experience usual disclaimer best enemy good voltaire leon traister \( lmtra amdahl uts amdahl com \) c amdahl corporation \( 408 \) 737 1250 e ave 338 p box sunnyvale , ca
chan ee rochester edu \( chan \) subject radial touring tires summary comments bf goodrich radial tires keywords tire organization univ rochester , college engineering applied science distribution na hi looking tires would like hear experience bf goodrich radial tires touring especially size radial snow , wet weather \? quiet tires \? touring many miles last \? believe every way equal better radial right \? chan
organization arizona state university asuacad bitnet subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? distribution usa ncube com lines 15 article ncube com , bob ncube com \( bob kehoe \) says either choice good , beware experience reasonable mileage v6 average city driving , 21 avg highway nissan quest city , though first tanks like v6 remarkably smooth johnny p stephens sig file upgrade backorder distance learning technology day arizona state university opinions expressed mine
phys hawaii edu \( john flanagan \) subject secret source announcement organization university hawaii , dept physics astronomy distribution inet lines 25 article lerami lerctr org merlin lerami lerctr org \( david hayes \) writes company routinely sent manufacturing data field offices japanese simply intercepted friend , computer systems admin , came solution started sending data double block encrypted des two days new distribution plan implemented , president company got visit pair government agents told knock president gave , since company considerable business federal government , government n't monitoring communications , would even know encryption system installed \? sure two visitors really government agents \? \) john john flanagan believe theories , phys hawaii edu give feeling u hawaii , dept physics astro security , , inflate rd , honolulu , hi ego enormously
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject good reasons wave organization university east anglia lines 10 jlevine rd hydro ca \( angel levine \) writes anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done , 've driven cage bike park , thinking riding bike
dsh eceyv ncsu edu \( doug holtsinger \) subject janet reno killed waco children organization ncsu distribution na lines 19 janet reno killed waco children responsible deaths resign immediately understood david koresh madman would anything children became provoked warning signs ignored provoked koresh killing children situation waco similar hostage situation madman holding gun head innocent person situation , person provokes madman causes pull gun 's trigger responsible death hostage janet reno blindly stumbled basically threw tear gas container madman hoping would release hostage 's surprise madman would pull trigger response kind provocation doug holtsinger
sunder crhc uiuc edu \( srinivas sunder \) subject stage set organization center reliable high performance computing , university illinois urbana champaign lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host crhc uiuc edu article iid ucdavis edu , hamlet ucdavis edu \( \) writes reading plenty remarks claiming arrival restoration , could anyone 1 \) define , 2 \) indicate colonial countries remain , 3 \) indicate changes indicate restoration making \? 'll leave questions 1 2 answered elsewhere , question 3 \) something today might example restoration might namely , clinton administration considering asking un establish police force haiti n't hear thing said current govt haiti asked , real precedent \( barring somalia \) un getting involved internal conflicts might also answer question 2 \) neo colonial countries diffuse lot un \( security council \) , 'll take stab 1 \) new colonialism , defined articles read , would entail something nature un sec council , democracy , aid , education , free markets , free press , assured civilized country left behind note n't support idealized concept , simply think lot hogwash srinivas sunder sunder crhc uiuc edu university illinois shares views , 'd surprised n't smart generally \)
pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) subject peace talks nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) organization columbia university lines 26 article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes article 1993may13 nysernet org astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) writes seems , keep peace talks going , israel keep making goodwill gesture goodwill gesture , palestinian arabs continue go around hunting jews know putting something like newsgroup going generate flames , discussion try adding substance issue gestures mentioned feel israel offered gesture \? would \( realistically \) expect see presented arabs palestinians way gesture \? , israel recognized state arabs , except egypt , course n't gesture \? israel offered \? well , calling peace talks 45 years , asked economic relations , asked diplomatic ties else \? would israel sacrifice security \? nay , think peace , pete
hambidge bms com subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! reply hambidge bms com organization bristol myers squibb lines 18 article rigel tamu edu , mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes large propane tank , breached , n't think would identifiable explosion \? saw videotape , explosion looked like one due propane rather \( official version \) ammunition evidence exists right \( least know \) various claims counter claims i'm waiting hard evidence released \? could certain hard evidence released al standard disclaimer
ucsd edu \( mike fischer \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university california , san diego lines 38 distribution world nntp posting host 41 1 extern ucsd edu article twalls ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk \( tim walls \) writes twalls ncc1701d demon co uk \( tim walls \) subject challenge microsoft supporters date mon , 10 may 1993 19 23 26 0000 article vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes n't want run blasted windows every time want delete tree absolutely ludicrous load hog like delete files ! would like requiring crane change tyre car n't , never 's enhanced shells remember 4dos \? mean , come , ca n't expect dos cover everything r1 0 microsoft projects work want move windows 3 1 , later win32 , eventually cairo way give reason deliberately crippling product \? surely oh , hold , guess 're right certainly stinks microsoft marketing techniques n't think deliberately crippled project hand , technical achievement considering rides top dos mean , get gui reasonable speed pc xwindows running top linux something similar 're still gonna need fast processor dos 's death well amen , wish damn sight dead product , used awful lot suspect going carry twitching long yet , n't anyone good except people use dos programs , means 75 business world mike
science smith edu subject put swap file \( ide scsi \) keywords organization smith college distribution na lines 23 article 1993apr28 963 oracle us oracle com ebosco us oracle com writes 486 sx 25 recently added scsi drive system using adaptec \( non busmastering \) controller yesterday ran coretest find drive performance values got seagate 106 meg 875 sec 14 avg seek 3 track track quantum 400 meg scsi 991 2 kb sec 12 7 avg seek 3 6 track track first good results \? n't know typical values pretty typical , believe i'm wondering following swap file currently ide could move scsi 13 faster , would able use 32 bit access might make slower drive put swap file get best results \? swap file speed test program \? keep swap file ide 32 bit access worth fair amount 13
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject saturn extended warranty organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 26 article 93113 uicvm uic edu uicvm uic edu writes agree gaia even though saturn proved reliable car far , little money spent worth peace mind interesting point people really buying coverage , buying , marketing folks love selling suggest people choose engage minds worry rather buying opinion , getting warranty enough case , 's cause anything needed repairing interior \( sunroof , windows , doors , etc \) could n't want mess engine 'd surprised much little knack stuff cost \? c goes \? steering rack \? \? n't get wrong i'm extended warranties ripoff plus think extra 3 years 24 hour roadside assistance must opted 5 year plan 375 extra 3 yrs \? realize first 3yr 36k free warranty comes car thomas
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject vandalizing sky organization university illinois urbana lines 13 i'm wondering vandalize proper word use situation dictionary defines vandalism willful malicious public private property , especially anything beautiful would agree sky beautiful , public private property personally prefer natural skies , far city lights sans aircraft however , also something said able look sky see satellite many people get real kick , especially n't seen one josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
mchen terra cs psu edu \( michael chen \) subject disks copy protected reply kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 16 36 05 gmt nntp posting host terra cs psu edu 1993apr21 863 imag fr 1993apr22 163605 24784 csus edu lines 7 companies compressed executables lzw kind encryption process , change two bytes thing would go right window michael chen depths lucid horrors spring fond hopes pure desires mchen cs psu edu except comes hell ! \) 7 23 92
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject soon baby questions organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu distribution lines 37 article world std com , world std com \( bob \) writes 're first baby , questions dont seem able get answered satisfaction reguarding baby boy , medical pros cons \? 've heard parents' , truly best research advantages stated included probably prevention penile cancer , \( , interestingly , occurs mostly men whose personal hygiene exceptionally poor \) , simplicity personal hygiene , prevention urinary tract infections , prevention foreskin , disadvantages include infection procedure , pain , etc apologize trying pull top head post discovered research paper topic research class nursing school really decision parents parents use reasoning look like daddy like friends justification nothing wrong sure want , since rather difficult male , although major surgical procedure exists pregnant woman sitting tub water \? 've heard stories infection , etc water broken \? long membranes broken problems pregnancy , ok sit tub water however , would recommend using home ! nearly impossible guarantee safety public hot nice warm bath relaxing , especially back killing ! would possibly advisable avoid bubble bath soap , esp prone yeast infection hope tips help elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu
add sciences sdsu edu \( james murray \) subject need specs mpeg \( mpg \) file format organization san diego state university , college sciences lines 9 nntp posting host sciences sdsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 looking specs mpg files floating around alt binaries pictures groups net please know obtain spec email thanks much james murray add sciences sdsu edu
magnus acs ohio state edu \( stassen lantz \) subject help led connectors motherboard nntp posting host top magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 23 bought 386dx 40 motherboard 50 documentation everything appears work , except i'm trouble getting led connectors working 've looked manuals 4 motherboards , pin configuration n't look anything like board pin arrangement look familiar anyone \? \? \? hints find information \? 1 10 speaker keylock 11 20 board came jumper vertically across two pins get power keylock work across pins 11 15 , reset across pins 9 19 , would prefer blow something experimentation date board 6 92 , opti chips would really appreciate help , thank advance n stassen lantz
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject winfield organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 14 article 1993apr23 alleg edu luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes better e mail address , mr lurie \? i'm afraid ca n't get short version work case , winfield yes , career ba mere 285 n't beat sixth year majors , topped since 1988 peak early '80s , included rather impressive seasons 's also scattered great performances \( like 1988 1992 \) definitely smooth career curve ! cheers , valentine
crphilli hound dazixca ingr com \( ron phillips \) subject waco questions nntp posting host hound reply crphilli hound dazixca ingr com organization intergraph electronics , mountain view , ca distribution usa lines 137 folks , 's time start building precise questions send federal elected officials investigative reporters local tv , radio media ideally , questions could asked investigation batf 's fbi 's participation waco fiasco hopes resolved , hopefully , wake local news media getting entire truth batf fbi list 13 really nagging gut list probably grow 1 contents original warrant , sealed , batf obtained \? 2 reasonable believe illegal firearms ammunition could flushed toilet therefore , knock raid could ruled prior initial assault complex , single batf agent accompanying witness \( without contingent assault news media personnel \) attempt knock door branch davidian 's complex serve warrant manner prescribed law \? 3 day initial assault complex , batf agents aware several small children inside buildings gun battle , batf agents fired building known contain children , killing least one two year old child knowing children present , n't batf alternate plan immediately retreat area close complex implement alternate plan rather opening fire lives children building \? 4 fbi spokesman states paper evidence indicates david koresh members branch davidians possessed 200 , 000 firearms ammunition david koresh members branch davidians valid federal firearms license , actively participating legal business selling buying firearms ammunition , weapons illegally possessed \? paper evidence consist weapons purchased include legally weapons 5 original assault compound tragically failed , batf spokeswoman stated ! yet , tv newscasts video tape filmed time incident show batf agents armed mp 5 ar 15 rifles although unclear video tape obstruction full view agent 's bodies , also may ak 47 sks rifles type \( \) firearms batf agents immediate access scene original assault complex \? 6 since evidence confirm anyone inside complex , fbi treat hostage situation \? 7 along lines , fbi use psychological warfare techniques , including sensory overload , sleep deprivation , disruptive techniques would test sanity normal person rather using techniques aimed placing complex occupants frame mind \? 8 reports indicate several children inside complex accompanied mothers since reasonable expect mothers would children taken away came , fbi expect mothers walk surrender authorities \? 9 agents scene claim seen members branch davidians setting fire complex branch davidian members survived inferno claim fire started armored vehicle punched wall knocked lantern setting table video tape incident show armored vehicle punching hole wall fire erupted almost immediately general location source fire room armored vehicle penetrated \? 10 fbi opinion david koresh members branch davidians committed mass suicide yet , bodies discovered throughout house areas within building complex seems counter known mass suicides history evidence fbi mass suicide pact existed \? 11 fbi director sessions stated massive fireball shown video tape caused branch davidian 's ammunition powder cache exploding yet , fireball seems characteristic type created compressed gas highly volatile fuel source explodes evidence found would indicate branch davidians ammunition powder cache exploded create fireball \? , david koresh members branch davidians engaged legal business selling buying firearms , amount determined excessively greater one would expect someone engaged legal business \? 12 rumored one fbi agent extremely upset critical news media coverage intentionally used armored vehicle crush reporter 's car left compound factual basis rumor , , charges brought fbi agent performed act \? 13 fbi director sessions states , final assault complex , 80 shots fired vehicles video tape incident , hear armored vehicles engines yet , sound sharp reports one would expect hear shots fired also , indications smoke muzzle flashes appearing windows , buildings structures video surely , evident branch davidians fired armored vehicles finally , video tape show indication paint , sparks characteristic spray material apparent branch davidians fired upon vehicles armored vehicles brought pump tear gas compound show evidence fresh damage due hit shots high power rifles \? 14 cs gas considered chemical warfare agent united states signed international treaties prevent use cs gas warfare united states could morally use cs gas saddam hussein troops , morally acceptable use agent citizens land \? 15 april 21 , fbi state least 3 bodies discovered complex bullet wounds head indicating murdered committed suicide april 22 , county coroner claims knows nothing bodies found bullet wounds head victims bodies found within burned complex bullet wounds head \? ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice \( 415 \) 691 6473 mountain view , ca 94041 fax \( 415 \) 691 0350
secretary , guest email account 27916070 plearn bitnet subject 25th may ambassador warsaw univ originator tpm israel nysernet org reply 27916070 plearn bitnet organization nysernet lines 37 original message sb please find electronic copy put warsaw u jewish circle arts sciences , university warsaw , warsaw , invites lecture present day issues middle east delivered dr mohamed , egypt 's ambassador poland time place 4 p , tuesday , 25th may , '93 , \( dept arabic islamic studies , oriental institute \( polish \) , university warsaw , 26 28 street , pl 00 927 warsaw , poland \( 'd kol w na ad pt , osi dr mohamed , w 16 00 , , 25 , '93 , \( ad , , , 26 28 , pl 00 927 48 cps \( c \) copyright plus 21
creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) subject question virgin mary organization indiana university lines 20 article may 5 02 52 03 1993 athos rutgers edu revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes observation although bodily assumption basis bible , carl jung declared one important pronouncements church recent years , implied inclusion feminine godhead jung may said , way speaking catholic church dogma assumption way means mary considered god part godhead therefore implies thing feminine general also jung 's statement makes sound though dogma announced blue also incorrect , dogma formulation always part tradition dogma always believed , formally defined assumption declared ex cathedra statement steve creps , indiana university creps lateran ucs indiana edu
nevai mps ohio state edu \( paul nevai \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization department mathematics , ohio state university lines 9 distribution world reply osu edu nntp posting host ops mps ohio state edu originator nevai ops mps ohio state edu yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul paul nevai nevai mps ohio state edu dept math ohio state university 1 614 292 3317 \( office \) columbus , ohio 43210 1174 , u 1 614 292 1479 \( math dept fax \)
mike mik uky edu \( mike mattone \) subject lcd vga display nntp posting host mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 43 please help ibm compatible notebook computer lcd vga screen working morning , screen started flicker little , thought odd since use surge protector computer peripherals second stopped left room several minutes , returned , screen completely dim , blank , dim contrast slider still worked could adjust could faintly make screen brightness slider absolutely effect plugged time \( e , using battery \) still tried switching battery , changing power saver features , etc , etc , avail anyone else experienced anything like \? means need replace screen guess 'll thought death lcd screen would little less dramatic eventually happened n't want take repaired asked net already know 'll say yep , gotta replaced 's gonna cost \? \? \? 've computer 21 months reasonable life cycle lcd display \? oh , guess ought give specifics brand \( reputable company \? \) , 's 386sx 20 mhz forget model number exactly ticked write coming work today anyone help , please give advice might i'm opposed replaced , 'd rather 's absolutely necessary would n't mind , please e mail mike mik uky edu 'd rather post 'll checking back couple days btw , answer question already faq somewhere , feel free flame away would ask also include location name faq n't mind thanks advance help mike mattone \( mike mik uky edu \)
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject jets canucks jets hold , win 5 4 nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 38 article news cso uiuc edu epritcha psych uiuc edu \( evan pritchard \) writes also happy good performance played ok vancouver , much better last night , guys going jets yep , though reasons relatively quiet simple last year woofed went 3 1 canucks look got \) way , domi play last night \? n't notice ice domi got tossed 2nd high sticking major playing kris king stu barnes line arguably best first two games glad found places champaign , illinois dishes pick cbc vancouver feed i'm also glad found hockey fans , jets canucks fans , watch game definitely good thing every little cheer helps , evan \) good thing net n't need voice operate wo n't one sunday night get home , hope white noise come ! \) one thing , say though vancouver keep steve john garrett broadcast team two bad , especially spoiled \( least four five times , steve called barnes selanne whoops ! \) daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
mcg2 lehigh edu \( marc gabriel \) subject lymenet newsletter vol 1 09 lines 344 lyme disease electronic mail network lymenet newsletter volume 1 number 09 4 26 93 introduction ii announcements iii news wires iv questions 'n' answers v op ed section vi jargon index vii subscribe , contribute get back issues introduction issue newsletter , learn cdc 's announced concern resurgence infectious diseases united states thanks jonathan lord sending upi release cdc announced would feature new series articles morbidity mortality weekly report infectious diseases \( ld one \) keep date series addition , feature wall street journal article legal issues surrounding ld also look lyme 's effects perspective abstract entitled urinary dysfunction lyme disease finally , terry morse asks intriguing question tick 's habitat marc ii announcements source lyme disease update subject call articles attention health care professionals lyme disease update would like publish articles lyme disease diagnosis , lyme treatment , effects lyme lyme physical mental health monthly circulation 6 , 000 mailing list includes lyme patients , physicians , researchers , county health departments , 100 lyme support groups nationwide strive give readers date information lyme disease prevention , diagnosis , treatment , source support practical advice living lyme disease articles approximately 900 1200 words address lyme disease issues non scientific language submit article , mail lyme disease update p box evansville , fax 812 471 1990 one year subscriptions lyme disease update 19 \( 24 outside us \) mail subscription requests address , call 812 471 1990 information iii news wires sender jonathan lord uva virginia edu subject resurgence infectious disease concerns cdc date thursday april 15 , 1993 atlanta \( upi \) resurgence infectious diseases blamed newly emerging viruses bacteria pose major challenge nation 's health care system , federal health officials said thursday centers disease control prevention , reporting latest findings investigation contaminated hamburger meat sickened hundreds 4 states killed least four , said put renewed emphasis battling infectious diseases part emphasis includes new series titled emerging infectious diseases featured cdc 's morbidity mortality weekly report , wide circulation health community issue also top agenda two day meeting scientific update cdc 's draft plan dealing growing threat infectious issue coming responsibility deal , said dr ruth , deputy director cdc 's national center infectious diseases cases malaria u 1992 year since 1960s , latin america experiencing epidemic , first century , said resistance disease causing agents antibiotics also problem seeing much antibiotic resistance past said said even common ear infections frequently seen children becoming resistant antibiotic treatment despite predictions earlier century infectious diseases would soon eliminated public health problem , infectious diseases remain major cause death worldwide leading cause illness death united states , cdc said cited emergence since 1970s myriad newly identified pathogens syndromes , escherichia coli o157 h7 , deadly bacterial infection hepatitis c virus hiv , virus causes aids disease lyme disease toxic shock syndrome incidences many diseases widely presumed control , , malaria tuberculosis , increased many areas , cdc said said efforts control prevention undermined drug resistance source wall street journal reference 04 15 93 , headline lyme disease ruling raises liability issues tick causes lyme disease may found new way cause damage legal liability federal judge 's decision holding property owner liable enough protect workers lyme disease getting much attention latest medical study disease , flu like illness cause severe physical mental rare instances death decision last week put property owners notice may protect ticks also may protect litigation someone becomes infected property decision u district judge robert j ward new york came week long trial case involving four track workers long island railroad judge ward found workers contracted disease bitten ticks job ordered new york state owned commuter line pay workers 560 , 000 compensate pain suffering , addition medical expenses lost wages summer camps , schools , companies facilities rural areas , homeowners rent among groups need worried ruling , says stephen l , attorney new york law firm , case , wrote legal article three years ago warning property owners potential liability even family invites friends backyard barbecue might potentially liable lawsuits insect bites , rare , n't unheard summer , n , last year sued owner home rented , claiming tick property gave rocky mountain spotted fever 1988 , also long island , jury ordered outdoor restaurant pay 3 million patron stung bee , causing allergic reaction permanent judge later threw award , citing evidence near restaurant lawyers say attention lyme disease throughout country 's prevalent new england , middle atlantic states , wisconsin , minnesota northwest may make particular insect bite particularly one illness already proved source controversy issues type medical care insurers cover medical malpractice claims doctors diagnosing disease lawyers say worker 's compensation claims related lyme disease become common states recent years payments worker 's compensation cases , however , limited medical costs lost earnings case judge ward dealt potentially much lucrative avenue damages , involved question negligence unlike worker 's compensation process , law governing injuries rail workers allows finding negligence , result , additional payments pain suffering property owners lawyers say negligence claims made many situations people exposed ticks carry disease ira maurer , partner new york law firm , flynn maurer , represented rail workers , says decision help establish duty sorts property owners protect lyme disease lawyers caution despite judge ward 's decision , winning lawsuit damages caused lyme disease may prove difficult one thing , victims demonstrate pinned got tick bite judge ward found plaintiffs railroad case got lyme disease working property owned railroad , even though none men remembered bitten workers , n't likely exposed elsewhere insects , said saw ticks high grass surrounded work sites spokeswoman railroad says proof four men bitten job railroad considering appeal railroad also disputes judge ward 's finding n't enough protect employees spokeswoman says railroad provides track workers insect repellent special pants protect bug bites debate scientific community lyme disease could open legal defenses property owners , questioning whether victim actually disease rather illness earlier week , journal american medical association reported doctors overly diagnose patients lyme disease damages awarded victim also might influenced medical disputes degree harm lyme disease causes health safety concerns , groups companies already take special measures protect lyme disease last year , headquarters franklin lakes , n j , becton , dickinson co began using , made inc boston designed kill ticks carrying disease medical supply company 's headquarters include 120 acre park , company worried employees walk trails recreation might get infected ruth lister , spokeswoman american camping association indianapolis , says many youth camps accredited organization also begun check children ticks katz , member board fire island pines property owners association , says group spends 30 , 000 year treat 100 acre site coast new york tick killing title urinary dysfunction lyme disease authors chancellor mb de pj p hirsch ih , department urology , jefferson medical college , thomas jefferson university , philadelphia , pennsylvania reference j urol 1993 jan 149 \( 1 \) 26 30 lyme disease , caused spirochete , associated variety neurological describe 7 patients neuro also lower urinary tract dysfunction evaluation revealed 5 patients 2 external noted patient observed urinary tract may involved 2 respects course lyme disease 1 \) dysfunction may part neuro 2 \) spirochete may directly invade urinary tract 1 patient bladder infection lyme spirochete documented biopsy neurological symptoms patients slow resolve active lyme disease residual neurological deficits common practicing areas endemic lyme disease need aware b infection differential diagnosis bladder dysfunction conservative bladder management including clean intermittent guided evaluation recommended iv questions 'n' answers note response question , please forward editor sender terry morse ccmail orst edu subject question lyme vectors compost piles visited sister long island , ny , avoid compost heap back yard , thinks became infected friend mine oregon compost heap would like back claim documentation lyme carrying ticks hang compost heaps \? thank v op ed section section open subscribers would like express opinion vi jargon index bb scientific name ld bacterium cdc centers disease control federal agency charge tracking diseases programs prevent cns central nervous system elisa enzyme linked assays common antibody test em name bull 's eye rash appears 60 patients early infection ifa indirect fluorescent antibody common antibody test ld common abbreviation lyme disease nih national institutes health federal agency conducts medical research issues grants research interests chain reaction new test detects dna sequence question currently tested use detecting ld , tb , aids spirochete ld bacterium 's given name due 's spiral shape western precise antibody test vii subscribe , contribute get back issues subscriptions anyone internet address may subscribe send memo listserv lehigh edu body , type subscribe lymenet l real name fax subscriptions also available send single page fax 215 974 information deletions send memo listserv lehigh edu body , type unsubscribe lymenet l contributions send contributions lymenet l lehigh edu fax 215 974 encouraged submit 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lance hartmann austin ibm com \( lance hartmann \) subject diamond stealth help ! summary address irq conflicts reply lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com organization ibm , austin keywords video s3 diamond lines 42 article usenet ins cwru edu ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) writes article \( last \) newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware redmond cs cmu edu \( redmond english \) subject diamond stealth help ! date wed apr 21 16 54 39 1993 hello , diamond stealth vram card \( older version dip switches back \) two problems 1 \) 've lost manual ! ! ! 2 \) machine network card , everything works fine run windows , network connection dies \( case 's important , network card smc arcnet 8 bit compatable card 's address 's ram base address d000 's also using irq 2 \) remainder deleted n't copy manual right , offer following interim 1 \) card uses port addresses \( configurable \) addresses , incidentally , inadvertantly omitted version manual 2 \) believe dip controls whether enable irq 2 \( cga ega support \? \? ! \? \) lance hartmann \( lance hartmann austin ibm com ibmpa awdpa ibm com \) yes , ' ' \( percent sign \) network address statements , comments , opinions , etc herein reflect author shall misconstrued ibm anyone else matter
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jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 43 article 1993apr22 bnr ca \( rashid \) writes article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) wrote already made clear claim khomeini advocates views qur'an given arguments something checked anyone sufficiently interested khomeini , dead , really ca n't respond , another poster supports khomeini responded clearly sophistry quite clear atheists less susceptible modes n't mind saying best example obfuscation condemn without even basic facts straight want examples , go back look previous posts , manage get facts wrong fatwa khomeini 's supposed infallibility n't mind \? sounds proceeding sort obfuscation accused always statements understanding , made claim clear regard issue twelve imams khomeini 's supposed claim hearing seemingly knowledgable claim khomeini made claim regarding , withdrawn portion statement regarding claim however , received response regarding infallibility twelve imams nothing claims , always made clearly received clear response regarding twelve imams rather references unusual metaphysical natures opaque concepts often used people positions , particularly matters theology sorts concepts used christian churches perverting religion salaam laikum , gregg
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject saturn extended warranty organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 21 article austin ibm com login austin ibm com writes 've owned saturn year half , n't extended warranty , traded 1993 \( reasons wo n't mention unless someone wants know \) opted 5 year 60 , 000 mile extended 50 deductible 's sorta like buying health insurance could say 're sick , n't sick , ca n't guarantee wo n't sick tomorrow little money invested today better sick tomorrow able pay , pay lot tomorrow today justify want extended warranties ripoff , high profit item dealer n't buy 60k , get 3yr 36k free , bought 24k still pay 50 every time use great better put money bank use repairs need considering last car 1 5 years old , sure even keep new one past 's free warranty period \? btw , typical profit extended warranties around 80 's right , 20 money needs go collective pot pay future repairs group extended warranty people collect
grier bnr ca \( brian grier \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host 131 253 206 80 organization bell northern research lines 67 since started twist thread kdb acpub duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes believe enough inferior make overall product inferior competition apple system 7 , os 2 2 0 , nextstep 3 0 , unix xwindows \( pick favorite flavor \) words , opinion msw3 1 inferior competition 's msw3 1 objectively inferior technically inferior os guis listed already described say briefly actually fell said believe used rest post previous post think anyone would system 7 easier learn use independent studies effect os 2 run msw applications stable multitasking nextstep easier learn , use , program stable multitasking unix x easy learn use stable multitasking following three competition windows 3 0 \( imho course \) system 7 currently run intel boxes nextstep rather expensive competitor windows nt 3 x unix x exception os 2 require users spend large sum money upgrade applications ones run os 's basically money speaks louder anything else keep saying stable multitasking mean multi finder gem geoworks co operative multi tasking real honest goodness pre multi tasking \? setup , exchange data msw machines well msw machines amongst , interoperability issue basically moot since users able share data quite long time , still blind know criterion , inferior another , perhaps incorrect pick glove \? pick \? stated reasons behind opinions stated straight forward , though protective , manner aside earlier comments actually competitor , think agreement tim glauert agree \? let 's wait see disclaimer opinions expressed mine bnr brian , \( st tt user developer \) wanted computer play games bell northern research 'd buy amiga however research triangle park , nc real work please get lost !
colling ann arbor applicon slb com \( michael collingridge \) subject hockey guest spots organization schlumberger cad cam ann arbor , michigan \( usa \) summary tod letterman lines 33 article rec sport hockey sclark epas utoronto ca \( susan clark \) asks hi guys i'm looking bit trivia appeared major talk shows tv \( e , letterman , carson , , etc e shows national nature include canadian equivalents think \) \? include nhl , olympic , world champion ship players i'm pretty sure 've seen gretzky lemieux , wondering others sure celebrated players game , tod , played harvard college went play ahl \( initially moncton currently providence thanks daryl turner update ! \) appeared david letterman 's show two years ago tod distinction first american born player go play former soviet union arranged jets gm mike smith tod playing moncton time european players coming north america play nhl tod spent year playing russia played russian players entered nhl last two years wrote book experiences called behind red line \( check ! \) appeared letterman show talk mike note hope facts straight year since read tod 's book wanted dig book double check , realized lent friend , n't returned book yet ! \( wait 'til get hold \)
uxa ecn bgu edu \( todd r \) subject request gyro \( souvlaki \) sauce organization educational computing network lines 23 nntp posting host uxa ecn bgu edu article 1993apr23 sandiego ncr com ncr com \( dave lord \) writes article terminator rs itd umich edu , donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu writes article 1993apr22 locus com michael trofimoff , tron fafnir la locus com writes would anyone 'net land' happen authentic , sure fire way making great sauce used adorn gyro 's souvlaki \? i'm sure exact recipe , i'm sure acidophilus one major ingredients \) 's plain yoghurt cucumber \( spices sometimes used \) people use half yoghurt half kind made used lite sour cream instead yogurt may good , prefer taste small bits addition may also finish sauce nicely uxa ecn bgu edu
subject dna helix nermal santarosa edu \( tim lynch \) organization santa rosa junior college , santa rosa , ca nntp posting host nermal santarosa edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 3 looking tiff eps dna helix e mail , please
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject change name \? \? organization stratus computer , inc lines 18 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article well sf ca us , well sf ca us \( hudson h \) writes suggest another name change thomas parsli vidkun quisling really uncalled cannot expect european , growing culture rulers subjects , immediately grasp concepts individual independence citizen us 's less fault also ca n't grasp cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
ajaffe oddjob uchicago edu \( andrew jaffe \) subject xarchie 2 0 1 icon problems organization university chicago , astronomy astrophysics lines 24 hi ! 've installed new xarchie 2 0 1 works fine , except grayscale xterm custom icons compiled program n't work , bw terminal works fine set icon xbm file , n't give neat change busy action \( programs similar actions , e g , xbiff , work fine \) x interface author , george ferguson , suggests might problem x intrinsics , n't willing hack around fix know zero x programming , n't think find anyone know obvious fix problem \? andrew andrew jaffe ajaffe oddjob uchicago edu astronomy astrophysics , u chicago ellis ave \( 312 \) 702 chicago , il 60637 1433 \( 312 \) 702 fax
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 40 article codewks nacjack gen nz , system codewks nacjack gen nz \( wayne mcdougall \) writes brian gab unt edu \( brian stone \) writes someone gay n't mean morals someone heterosexual n't mean look world statistics alone prove criminals default hetero hmmm , statistics \? offer references studies 've seen indicate higher proportion homosexuals prison general population , n't think allows default refer prison normal situation n't seen anything suggests default proportion lower general population \( although seems plausible \) anyway , say , provide references \? arguement \? simply statement fact homosexuals prison mean homosexuals immoral liable commit crime one must remember prison necessarily reflection type people criminals statistics crime \? posting definitive wayne mcdougall keeper list shows better star trek \( tm \) ask auckland festival missions , 18 25 april , 1993 always change mind new evidence available method use \? adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
hammerl acsu buffalo edu \( valerie hammerl \) subject sabres bruins notes organization ub lines 57 nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo edu unlikely , improbable bruins , stuff nightmares sabres , taste heaven first time since 1983 , sabres first three games series last time three games none victory best five canadiens takes little work time sabres seem ready put extra work heels shutout , one took away boston 's home ice advantage , sabres came back four three overtime win n't easy n't always pretty still worked john blue got nod boston , andy moog starting goaltender moog pulled midway game 2 tuesday buffalo started goal mogilny , fourth playoffs , powerplay , boston 's sweeney gord roberts box lafontaine hawerchuk assists goal number two khmylev 's first playoffs , pretty goal scored sabres stole puck passed open waiting khmylev smehlik hannan assisted determined shut , boston shot ray bourque powerplay , colin patterson bob sweeney box period two scoreless , split penalties two clubs third saw boston 's smolinski get first , courtesy oates buffalo lead two minutes later , former bruin bob sweeney \( khmylev carney \) neely tied game 3 4 way third , sending overtime last year overtime meant bruin win last night , spelled sweet revenge , buffalo scored ray bourque penalty box , tip khmylev \( hawerchuk lafontaine \) minute overtime teams finished 34 shots power play conversions boston 5 1 buffalo 7 2 referee rob comments whistle third , allowing lot clutching grabbing buffalo 's penalty killing unit fantastic mogilny checking granted missed instead flung body boards , checking like novel idea mogilny crowd unbelievable n't think 've ever heard crowd loud aud sabres game \( remember , five played cup n't remember one took games \) doug , interview , noted tried say something hawerchuk , crowd loud , even though shouting n't seem matter , sabres even muckler said great yuri khmylev n't seem realize game 's third star n't skate name called sweeney \( 2 \) fuhr \( 1 \) yuri made appearance , sans jersey asked interview later whether knew big goal , yes \( ok , interpreter said , even interpreter said , digress \) interviewer seemed think n't speak english , must understand playoffs uh huh valerie hammerl john sr would lift pat boards , grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand , start running around outside , v085pwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu faster faster wanted learn get feeling , way learn skate p lafontaine
cbnewsk cb att com \( michael \) subject turbo w 8 games sale organization distribution na lines 17 base unit 1 controller cables games kieth courage axe fantasy zone victory run wrestling challenge blazing lasers military madness bloody wolf asking 160 00 ship cod call mike 908 949 \( day \) 908 469 3250 \( eve \)
norris athena mit edu \( richard chonak \) subject hate sin reply norris mit edu organization l'organisation , c'est moi lines 17 article may 16 01 56 47 1993 6695 geneva rutgers edu , wjhovi01 ulkyvx louisville edu \( bill , lpts student \) writes scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner question whether statement consistent christianity would think i'm grateful scott 's reflections oft quoted phrase could someone please remind scriptural source \? 's scriptural , comes age , think something , , sounds like love errant , error doubt someone else know particular minted phrase guess , 'd blame \) st augustine , seems gift richard aquinas chonak , norris mit edu sometimes , 's necessary act believed
wpi wpi edu \( bi chen \) subject help faq sci crypt questions organization worcester polytechnic institute , worcester , 01609 2280 lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host wpi wpi edu dear netters scanning news group found faq could someone find faq one also , could someone recommend good books , patent information , goverment regulation science technology appreciate help much sincerely bi chen
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization university illinois urbana lines 27 ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com viper n't inline 10 flat 10 , \? i'm pretty sure v 10 also , cizeta \? \? \? v 16 , may yet dream chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject genocide caused atheism organization sgi lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes area , care whether someone sceptical , critical autonomous one hand , gullible , excitable easily led indeed may one may atheist also gullible , excitable easily led would say tendency worship tyrants ideologies indicates person easily led whether worship belief supernatural hero rather earthly one seems beside point sure whether atheists discussing , whether easily led show hypothetical atheists gullible , excitable easily led concrete cause case would also discuss concrete cause , rather atheism , factor caused subsequent behaviour jon
ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu \( terrance j dishongh \) subject strain gage applications vivo organization university arizona lines 14 greeting starting work project trying make strain gages bond bone vivo period several months currently using back gages , tried bonding gages bone apart two application methods n't seem much else literature engineering background medical biological would interest ideas bone growth surface cortical bone thanks help advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu
bnr ca \( peter manson \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? nntp posting host organization bell northern research , ontario , canada lines 16 article snoopy cis ufl edu ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? yet another suggestion , one non toxic \( although would handle like cleaner \) smells nice chemical called , smells like lemon \( think lemon extract kind \) might find hardware store , sold general purpose solvent , best bet would bike store used chain cleaning fluid works sticker glue , crayons , grease , oil , etc 's clear yellow bottle , use straight add water , changes consistency , good jobs peter
ch \( frederic \) subject help ! eisa board configuration problems keywords eisa organization university ch lines 18 bought new eisa motherboard adaptec 1742a fast scsi controller wanted install aha 1742a written manual cfg utility told get newer version adaptec configuration overlay file named , old one compatible motherboard adaptec driver utility version 3 0 help \? please name frederic adress university , ch 1700 switzerland e mail bitnet
mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) subject xterm fonts organization lake taylor hospital computer services lines 37 bernward moepi open de \( bernward averwald \) writes article 1993may11 taylor uucp mark taylor uucp \( mark davis \) writes problem many might run use lots ascii terminals use max meaning lots attributes , line means needing attributes work , including bold line drawing fonts seem meet criteria pairs fonts one bold normal , , fixed spacing , several sizes standard fonts work fonts like misc work great , except need font one size larger , 10x20 10x20 works well , bold counterpart ! n't need counterpart `man fb font option specifies font used dis playing bold text font must height width normal font one normal bold fonts specified , used normal font bold font produced font default normal font tried one font , xterm set remap bold \( default \) reverse , nothing happens bold displayed would appear \( least x11r4 \) cannot display bold xterm without specifying two fonts normal bold wish someone would prove incorrect mark davis lake taylor hospital norfolk , va \( 804 \) 461 5001x431 sys administrator computer services mark taylor mark taylor uucp
ritvax isc rit edu subject 1st time biker iso advice nntp posting host vaxc isc rit edu reply ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology i'm starting motorcycles , 've read subject bit , talked many friends ride bikes encourage ask kind bike looking get varied answers i'm , 230 , large athletic build suppose would help determine size bike 'd want want something 's going fast powerful enough satisfy certain i'm used also want something going like first time ideas \? ! bill replys prefered e mail thanks advance
schuster panix com \( michael schuster \) subject put hd xt \? organization panix public access internet unix , nyc lines 25 article 1993apr21 ultb isc rit edu ultb isc rit edu \( r x getter \) writes may dumb question , need put hard drive father 's pc xt , either mfm , rll , ide know hook , tell computer geometry drive 386 , set bios , doubt 's 's done xt thought might software controller card , ide card xt 's saw n't come also , low level format 's computer \? \( assuming drive needs formatting \) since bios support st 506 interface hard disks xt , support must come bios extension rom \( mfm rll \) hard disk controller usually controller rom based low level format program \( common jump address 0005 type g 5 debug see \) small table drive knows sometimes selectable using jumpers card , sometimes enter manually menu failing , must use third party hd prep program like , disk manager , like ide drives come formatted already , since controller part drive mechanism , concerns geometry irrelevant plug go fdisk mike schuster schuster panix com compuserve com schuster shell portal com genie
angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu \( kirill shklovsky \) subject tempest organization northeastern university distribution na lines 31 article 1993apr26 104320 10398 infodev cam ac uk rja14 cl cam ac uk \( ross anderson \) writes i'm afraid n't work either pick laptop screens without problem called `low radiation' monitors also useless description turns marketing assertion rather engineering one thought might market monitor expensive military tempest kit , well enough shielded stop eavesdropping using available receivers built prototype , works , 's still sitting lab bench commercial interest exactly zero absence open standards , monitor really `low radiation' \( costs 500 dollars \) ca n't compete monitor claims `low radiation' \( whose extra cost production pretty blue sticker box \) ross heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinions , entity god , full stars ! dave n't know , 've got company ! epidemic
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject one time pad authentication \? nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 51 think couple ways guaranteeing authenticity one time pad scheme , though i'm sure prove kind provide obvious first attempt might truly random \( unpredictable eve \) block message , calculate crc included random starting block message could encrypted message problem , i'm sure 's impossible come message hash crc regardless random starting block \( intuitively seems like ought hard , i'm sure \) clearly , crypto strength hash like md5 sha would stronger , , i'm sure i'm comfortable claiming 's unbreakable scheme use pad bits decide many bits 0 's include plaintext stream going would n't bad , either cost increasing speed use pad , could used give arbitrarily low probability opponent could spoof valid looking message , since deciphered plaintext spot carrying 0 's show something funny 's going , message bit , used one random bit , r , decide whether insert 0 plaintext stream , 'd get total pad use 2 5 times message length \( 'd expand message size half \) 0 appear plaintext stream n't guess would bit , guess i'm trying see quantify chances making way spoofed message , gets little complicated , get un , still happen 0 place spoofed message , see simple way 's got secure one time pad , cost using 4 times message length pad bits message bit , , use one random bit , r , xor together get x , encrypt three bits one time pad enemy way guessing r , ca n't guess x , either change makes ciphertext stream involve guess r way without using many pad bits \? spoofing message equivalent correctly guessing many random bits bits message clearly , makes spoofing messages hard know whole message text know none fact , looks like makes hard generate spoofed message ciphertext without , i'm entirely sure easier way 's provably secure one time pad \? john kelsey
distribution world lynn c bmug org organization bmug , inc subject non apple mini docks available \? lines 10 math coprocessors available right aware development demand appears low device right , i'm sure enterprising vendor would create one sufficient demand lynn planet bmug , firstclass bbs bmug message contained posting way reflect bmug 's official views
subject alleged deathbed conversions \( asimov stamp \) lippard skyblu ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) dcs ed ac uk netcom com panix com distribution world , local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 lines 42 article panix com , carlf panix com \( carl fink \) writes netcom com sheaffer netcom com \( robert sheaffer \) writes deletion happen old allegation deathbed conversion noted seem recall similar claims made voltaire , , darwin , , etc indeed , literary hoax attributed nietzsche , sister , fear divine judgment \( recently issued amok books , introduction lutheran professor telling us take seriously ! \) deathbed conversion claims common utterly unsubstantiated , almost certainly untrue perhaps least believable alleged conversion tom paine , reported , like , devout relatives asimov unlikely convert christianity deathbed return judaism , perhaps , revert childhood training , christianity \? good doctor would likely converted hinduism isaac asimov read creationist books read bible ample opportunity creator savior refused fact , sent strong promotional letter urging support american humanist association , shortly died excerpt ken ham , asimov meets creator , back genesis 42 , june 1992 , p c \( included acts facts vol 21 , 6 , june 1992 , institute creation research \) one offensive articles 've ever published least argues deathbed conversion 's part article even worse 've quoted , excerpt reader 's letter says asimov burning hell , certainly 180 degree change former beliefs creation creator \( post deathbed conversion \) jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophy lippard arizvms bitnet university arizona tucson , az 85721
petebre elof iit edu \( brent peterson \) subject drag coefficients organization illinois institute technology , chicago lines 28 article 1993apr22 wdl loral com gwm spl1 spl loral com \( gary w mahan \) writes could someone explain make sense drag coefficients \( e cd \) mentioned magazines understand lower numbers signify better aerodynamics mean real world way calculate new top speeds \( assuming car rev limited top speed \) mileage benefits identical car cd reduced 34 33 n't remember formula 's hand awhile since took aerodynamics n't used stuff since cd related drag force effects top speed fuel consumption drag force car aircraft greater vehicle 's engine overcome reached top speed \( autos course also overcome rolling resistance \) since drag opposes vehicle 's motion , engine must make burning fuel anyway , since auto rather complex , drag , pressure , etc either found , using numerical method anyway flow around cylinder drag cd \( q 2r \) drag force , q flow velocity r radius get rough \( rough \) estimate , set r 1 2 car 's width , q car 's speed knowing cd , find drag force car would need overcome bp
kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) subject hbp \? bb \? big cat \? nntp posting host summit wpd sgi com organization silicon graphics , inc , mountain view , ca distribution na lines 60 article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes kubey sgi com \( ken kubey \) said finally , 'd like point many high obp guys draw walks pitchers afraid throw strike , great eye i'm sure used think true , i'm becoming convinced 's way around among players physical ability hit ball real hard , patient ones ones get chance lot let 's break four basic categories hitter , according whether power threats whether walk lot power power patient frank thomas brett butler barry bonds ozzie smith mark mcgwire craig grebeck babe ruth miller ted williams billy hamilton rickey henderson eddie joe morgan mike impatient ernie banks ozzie dave kingman joe carter andres thomas george bell jose lind kirby puckett devon white okay , think agree singles hitters take strike two try get base way power impatient guys excuse power patient guys right thing impatient power guys \( could leave big cat \? \) would guys better slugging percentage took pitches \? perhaps , doubt tell joe carter go take pitches , draw walks , also wo n't hit many frozen bleachers likely hold back pitch used drive patient power guys \? joe morgan small strike zone rickey henderson strike zone size hitler 's heart get walks based small zone look 5 guys thomas , bonds , mcgwire , ruth williams wow ! lot pitchers would rather corners maybe walk guys throw clear strike pitchers would better \( opinion \) coming good fastball strike first pitch , pitchers would rather , go 2 0 3 1 get hurt ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com \( 415 \) 390 3536
tekig5 pen tek com \( alan \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? distribution na organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 6 battery goes dead primarily floor cold temperature combined self discharge promotes ruins plates battery strongly suspect reason battery n't go dead quickly dirt surface cement tends quite cooler
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject bmw heated grips reply joe rider cactus org distribution world organization lines 23 bergman panix com \( mark bergman \) writes bmw heated comfortable \? transmit lot vibration \? compare stock grips \? foam grips \? n't grips , looked getting 's understanding grips standard european style grips coming standard 93 bikes \( , , etc \) 's also understanding heater resides inside bar anything would suspect would reduce vibration providing bar end mass n't see would n't work old style foam grips aside fact might cause foam deteriorate something hard belive considering fine 100 degree texas summers 'course , n't actually save flames joe senner joe rider cactus org bmw mailing list bmw rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject soc religion christian organization macalester college lines 41 found little gem , n't know anyone interest comments hi everyone , i'm commited christian battling problem know romans talks saved faith deeds , yet hebrews james say faith without deeds useless , saying' fools , still think believing enough \? ' someone fully believing life totally lead god , according romans person still saved faith bit says god someone cold \( e n't know condemned \) lukewarm christian someone knows believes god n't make attempt live bible opinion saved faith alone \( \) taught romans , square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian 'spat out' anyone help , really bothers christ , adam adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws understand one another \? fear beyond comprehension gandalf
uucp mailhost ecn uoknor edu \( bryan oakley \) subject defense performas \( performa lc \? \? \? \) organization faa mike aeronautical center distribution lines 61 article 1993apr22 desire wright edu , demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) article 1993apr20 puc cl , rcvillab isluga puc cl \( carlos \) writes hi ! ! question diference performa 450 lciii \? want know better know specifications prices computers , tell email rcvillab isluga puc cl 'd like know diference apple monitor \( \) performa monitor performa 200 classic ii performa 400 lc ii performa 4xx lc iii performa 600 well , nothing \) performas made low cost business solutions 4xx bundled software , modems , etc retail price might able get discount shop around far monitors go , buy 3rd party much cheaper brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert hmmm 's quite right performa 600 real darn close iivx \( better buy imo \) also n't think much cost business , low cost home solution else bundle ease \( among things \) \? hardly business application mean 'no retail price ' quite contrary , think price darn near across country \( , imo \) one selling points performas ie haggling required kinda like saturn \( car \) computer set one price , medium performance , ready go shopped performa \( \) , difference sears \( sigh \) , montgomery wards , \( sigh \) , circuit city \( sigh \) \( sigh \) could n't 100 00 chose one based solely availability friendly salesman went extra mile \( last hear someone sells apples \? \) admittedly , except montgomery wards \( suspect lucky \) spoke n't know computers , mac , neither apple dealers spoke would 've told year ago would buy macintosh montgomery wards laughed long , long time go figure i'm real happy performa oh , bought apple performa plus monitor \( vs buying 3rd party \) happy decision well walked , cash , walked new computer day christmas instrument approach procedures automation dot faa ami 230 bryan oakley mailhost ecn uoknor edu
bixledn eng auburn edu \( david n bixler \) subject repeat violent criminals reform often nntp posting host eng auburn edu reply bixledn eng auburn edu organization auburn university engineering lines 42 article husc3 harvard edu , kim39 scws8 harvard edu \( john kim \) writes boston globe , thursday april 22 1993 p 44 walpole man , 32 , guilty rape , n h walpole man charged kidnapping mother two home , raping beating , pleaded guilty roger santaw jr also plead ed guilty attempted escape cheshire county jail last win ter santaw , 32 scheduled sentenced next week rape last fall came six months santaw released , spent 15 years rape commit ted 16 \( ap \) end article reactions \? enough time \? penalty \? btw , walpole town massachusetts course , new hampshire close j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu women might say , death life , hope parole \? david n bixler auburn university standard disclaimers apply
bferrell cicada occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) subject challenge microsoft supporters nntp posting host cicada occ uc edu organization university cincinnati distribution usa lines 15 article 1993may17 microsoft com cliffga microsoft com \( clifford garrett \) writes yes , lot os 2 2 0 common os 2 1 x written guys however , many things made os 2 2 0 much successful \( win os 2 , workplace shell \) previous versions ibm work yes , certainly ibm wrote windows code ! ! ! c n't point better windows windoze \) brett sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u cincy catch cats college engineering
cgkarras world std com \( christopher g karras \) subject help adjust tappits organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 17 sun soe clarkson edu \( matthew sheppard \) writes local 'experts' say 's tappits need adjusting soon attempt would like advice anyone adjusting shims cam valve , question buy full set shims starting adjustment process , calculate shims need run dealer cage see right shims stock \? obviously latter would cheaper \( shims cost \? \) , measurements shim need reliable enough buy indicated shims \? chris christopher g karras internet cgkarras world std com
soda berkeley edu \( ark boon lee \) subject clutch organization university california , berkeley lines 7 nntp posting host soda berkeley edu one experience clutch \( \) car \? i'm considering replace old stock clutch 90 crx si fair price \? martin
mpaul unl edu \( marxhausen paul \) subject pressure zone microphones organization university nebraska lincoln lines 28 distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo unl edu remember , back commercial mikes pzm label \( pressure zone microphone \) started showing , read article , engineering journal , described principles involved physics aside , standpoint author 's said built prototype nothing small sony mike laid large aluminum disk demonstrating presentation audio engineers , impressive enough people present bugging could buy anyway want build use mikes \( wide coverage \) 've good luck using small electret mike elements got digi key limited bandwidth , units buck two got ones spec 'd go 20khz bit flatter response distance mike opening flat plate kind critical i'm debating whether mount 's side , puts opening shade plate , mounting opening actually pointing plate small clearance n't unit like buy radio shack see thoughts \? paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace happens
lioness maple circa ufl edu subject 3do \? organization center instructional research computing activities lines 6 reply lioness ufcc ufl edu nntp posting host maple circa ufl edu someone please fill 3do thanks , bh
swanee megadata mega oz au \( geoff swan \) subject circuit boards green \? organization megadata p l , north ryde , sydney , aust lines 35 article 1993apr23 1720 mala bc ca , wagner mala bc ca \( tom wagner , wizzard old audio visual equipment nanaimo campus \) writes color board shows composition , hence use original older boards bakelite composition , brown phenolic \( spelling \) tan non filled fiberglass boards used computers green filled fiberglass blue teflon white rubbish reason colour boards depends solder mask used older boards \( bakelite phenolic \) rarely used solder mask \( boards suited well automatic stuffing soldering techniques \) hence colour compound used make days boards made fibreglass general purpose uses solder mask applied prevent close traces shorting one another soldering \( also prevent decomposition traces harsh environments \) light dark green boards seen dry film mask applied \( usually applied complete film produced \) blue \( red orange \) boards two part epoxy liquid resist formulation applied different manner 's lot info pro 's con 's , 's another story sla n go fo ill , risky b geoff swan \( research development \) swanee mega com au megadata pty ltd 2 37 waterloo rd , north ryde , 61 2 805 nsw 2113 , australia v \( fax \) 61 2 887 4847
cec uchile cl \( \) subject appletalk imagewriter lq compatible needed nntp posting host cec uchile cl organization universidad de chile x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 8 since image writer lq discontinued , apple talk printer 11 15 continous paper printer would like know possibility connect ibm compatible printer apple talk net directly \( net serial hardware \) , need software
mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) subject doctrine original sin organization university illinois urbana lines 34 eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) writes joseph h buehler writes obviously applies equally well infants adults , since souls infants must baptized , therefore , cannot enter heaven need form life , cannot enter heaven saying baptism nothing asking jesus come heart accepting savior , ritual must go enable us enter heaven \? feeling baptism parents baptize baby baby sanctifying grace baptism \( thus removal original sin \) soul event unexpected death , parents speak behalf child young speak surprise anyone n't parents always believe best baby \? would apply baby 's physical needs spiritual needs god 's grace \? purpose confirmation baby \( young adult \) decide affirm promises parents made baptism accepting jesus heart comes baptism , parents ask jesus come baby 's heart confirmation child repeats request independently \( way , personal feelings , though believe pretty close doctrinal position catholic church issue anyone back correct \?
oasys dt navy mil \( lawrence \) subject major burger chain offers reply oasys dt navy mil \( lawrence \) distribution usa organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 9 talk politics misc , demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes janet , like hostages \? a1 \) quick fried crunch a2 \) baked delicate crunch would like fries , sir \?
amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips reply amanda intercon com \( amanda walker \) organization intercon systems corporation herndon , va usa lines 23 nntp posting host chaos intercon com x newsreader intercon tcp connect ii 1 1 brad clarinet com \( brad templeton \) writes much better reason classify algorithm protect security want protect market share 's one way put keeping algorithm classified means disclosure falls national security nothing like federal marshalls guard monopoly result tappable cryptography without laws forbidding kinds , 99 populace agreed , although still somewhat better status quo \) get crypto , would build special phone runs top system , everybody talk would one sounds like job free software foundation \) 2 amanda walker intercon systems corporation
jek cu nih gov subject legal definition religion lines 31 edgar pearlstein asks \( fri 7 may 1993 \) whether supreme court , government authority , attempted legal definition religion universal military training service act 1958 exempted draft whose religious training belief opposed participation war form defined r b individual 's belief relation supreme involving duties superior arising human relation , including essentially political , , philosophical views merely personal moral code 1965 case united states v , supreme court definition restrict explicit theists justice tom clark , delivering court 's opinion , said concluded congress , using expression supreme rather designation god , test belief relation whether given belief sincere meaningful occupies place life possessor parallel filled orthodox belief god one clearly qualifies exemption beliefs parallel positions lives respective holders cannot say one relation supreme immediate reference first freedom , nat , \( 1980 , dell 1981 \) , james kiefer
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 19 babies supposed baptised n't bible ever say never comes right says people know right wrong taught baptised sound argument babies assumes bible n't say specifically n't need something , must mean need know 's specific term form logic , escapes right however , sound , able apply way bible n't specifically say something wrong , must ok , , coincidentally , leads perfectly question 've often pondered slavery immoral \( believe , assume everyone else group \? \) , n't jesus apostles speak \? owning slaves common practice back paul speaks everything else immoral apparently thought important enough talk things like n't anyone mention slavery \? god 's morals eternal n't change like morals society , must immoral today
fiddler concertina eng sun com \( steve hix \) subject true globe , makes \? organization sun lines 18 nntp posting host concertina article bill xpresso uucp bill xpresso uucp \( bill vance \) writes known quite earth actually pear shaped globular spherical anyone make globe accurate actual shape , landmass configuration long lat lines etc \? variance perfect model earth small enough fit home would probably globe buy close enough things important give away everybody else none left dieter car salesman
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject yet rushdie islamic law organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 50 jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes article vice ico tek com bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes bennett , neil bcci adapted koran rules banking times august 13 , 1991 , let 's see guy writes piece title implies something case must , \? gregg , n't provided even title article support contention support position intend anyone respect , gregg questions \? even managed include reference head firmly engaged ass 's excuse \? supports nothing reason believe piece anything another anti islamic slander job also reason believe anti islamic slander job , apart prejudices respect titles , real content look article want , true tell bcci islamic bank , yes 's mere report times stating bcci followed islamic banking rules \? gregg knows islam good , knows bcci bad , therefore bcci cannot islamic anyone says otherwise obviously spreading slanderous propaganda someone wants discuss issue seriously 'd glad real discussion , providing references , etc see someone wants provide references articles agree , also respond references articles agree \? mmm , yes , would intellectually stimulating debate doubtless 's spend time soc culture islam 've got special place kill file right next bobby want join \? post , become convinced simply waste time try reason moslems hoping achieve \? mathew
dan ingres com \( rose arose \) subject earthquake prediction organization representing views lines 75 mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes ok , days back , included message posted stating believe everything heart may 3 , 1993 , city portland , oregon country united states america hit catastrophic disastrous earthquake , know come pass n't think 's particularly glorifying god say things like well , think lord telling , statements seem attempt get spiritual thrill guess happen come true , without risking guilt false prophecy fail come pass believe genuine prophecy ever like comments \? agree people misled believe thus sayeth lord innuendo opinion speculation speak directly lord given something say , say , declare thus sayeth lord , 'd better know certain without shadow doubt correct spiritual condition relationship lord receive prophecy absolutely certain , , without tiniest shadow doubt possibility misled imaginations hope gaining recognition misled devil followers mistakes area costly dangerous , greatest fears area would following 1 people would misled 2 people would lose respect christianity 3 true prophecy would clouded false prophecies 4 god call prophet misrepresent god 's word , calling would lost forever god 's word would command people never listen fear words would false prophet bridges would burnt forever perhaps could repent saved , could never prophet god light , critical speak lord says speak silent lord says silent lest deprive world god 's word hide either inappropriate , cowardly silence false statements , critically important remain close lord , word , prayer , filled spirit god know difference day age , sinners spout mouths left right judging one another , claiming rights , denying rights indeed belong others , demanding equal respect gods world , every form promises make one feel good 's time christians give example honesty stands contrast backdrop falsehood say , thus sayeth lord , happens pray , prayer answered prayed right say 're christians , really mean dan deplore horrible crime child murder want prevention , merely punishment must reach root evil practiced whose souls revolt dreadful deed mater motive , love ease , desire save suffering unborn innocent , woman awfully guilty commits deed oh ! thrice guilty drove desperation impelled crime susan b anthony , revolution july 8 , 1869
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 34 article 1993apr23 7011 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com , jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) wrote made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu , apparently , passes intelligent discourse trinity joe fbi kusmierczak gets angry pointed fbi told lie , mounting evidence 've lied almost every detail 4 19 except expect cultists like , somebody burn , 's trapped , well , good riddance ! right joe \? wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
mjones watson ibm com \( mike jones \) subject game length \( braves update ! ! reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 31 nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com , snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes stuff ron gant incident deleted reasonable umpire would 's instructed season get batters back box sooner try cut ridiculous length games one glad see happen , \( ! ! ! ! \) agree hirschbeck instructed also gant listened however , policy trying speed games first person \( non mediot \) seen endorse policy problem length games tired espn crowd \( announcers \) bitching never ballpark filled people looking watches shouting hurry ! cough big bucks ticket , n't mind game last 2 10 really n't understand games longer several reasons stuff deleted maybe well nothing better , would like hear reasons longer games upset well , n't want shorter games per se , would like stop wasting much time games gant incident perfect example guy comes plate , hit , show \( show umpire , clearly gant \) feel like writing fan letter hirschbeck mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com purposes action , nothing useful narrowness thought combined energy henri frederick
gel cs mcgill ca \( gilles khouzam \) subject ati ultra pro windows organization socs mcgill university , montreal , canada lines 15 ok , got new 486 66 16 mb , ati ultra pro ca n't get windows says need memory available , extended mem 512k disabled memory aperture n't find free memory , still gave message memory aperture conflict system memory think 's want get windows help greatly appriciated please reply mail , site week late news thanks gel
adobe com \( gordon \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? organization adobe systems incorporated distribution usa lines 38 came across interesting information local public library researching minivans dealer price retail price minivan thinking purchasing someone told number base price slightly lower current price , still give idea pricing much negotiate mercury villager gs dealer retail base price air conditioning 729 857 rear defroster 143 168 calif emissions 87 102 7 passenger seating 282 332 fm radio \( cassette \) std std automatic transmission std std anti lock brakes std std destination 540 540 total dealer cost total retail price nissan quest xe dealer retail base price air conditioning std std rear defroster std std calif emissions 59 70 7 passenger seating std std fm cassette std std automatic transmission std std anti lock brakes 593 700 destination 540 540 total dealer cost total retail price
kohlhepp cae wisc edu \( robert kohlhepp \) subject sweet macintosh nu bus card forsale organization u wisconsin madison college engineering keywords video , nubus , monitor lines 23 recently purchased pb170 use rasterops great card traded iici , forgot forgetfulness si gain great 8 bit video supports 640x480 \( apple 13 14 \) \( apple portrait \) 800x600 \( silly dos monitor resolution \) 1024x768 \( 60hz 75hz \) 1152x870 \( apple 21 \) hardware pan zoom supports virtual desktops size 2 newspaper pages includes standard apple monitor cable card bnc , choose asking 250 \( 's still advertised macworld 499 \) completely negotiable get monitor sell pair accept offers software powerbook accessory trades make offer rj kohlhepp novell systems staff kohlhepp cae wisc edu computer aided engineering
u2i02 seq1 cc keele ac uk \( rj pomeroy \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? lines 11 article may 14 02 11 36 1993 athos rutgers edu , tas pegasus com \( len howard \) hi eddie , many people believe battle described rev 12 7 12 describes casting satan heaven fall earth shalom , len howard also check jude plus , concordance handy , check references generally taken mean angels , believe
kepley photon phys unca edu \( brad kepley \) subject head head win os 2 organization university north carolina lines 19 nntp posting host photon phys unca edu article 1993may16 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes question next question even want run os 2 big monster machine run , diverse think 're requirements os 2 considering os 2 multi threaded true multitasking os takes place dos windows , actually think requirements os 2 also think anyone using windows 3 1 without 8 megs ram , 386 40 , 200 megs hard drive space , beating head wall also legitimate requirements os 2 fact , requirements windows 3 1 os 2 equal natural progress things government gain ground liberty yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days
silver ucs indiana edu \( rob lawrence \) subject harry caray nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 39 article 9500 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu \( neal traven \) writes dave 'almost cursed jays' kirsch \( kirsch staff tc umn edu \) wrote article oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil \( bernard newsgroups rec sport baseball \) writes quite sure reasons , old man certainly ole harry maybe wife \) n't claim know whether 's true , couple different people \( totally unrelated \) said harry duties platonic relations busch 's wife judgement left individual , cuz sure n't claim source case among said \( well , quite said certainly alluded \) bing devine , gm administrator time heard bing speak last year 's sabr national btw , show hands attending year 's sabr national san diego \? 'll neal traven pitt edu 're young , traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen harry talks incident autobiography holy cow unfortunately , clarify since \( 1 \) read book couple years ago \( 2 \) book anyway , pretty interesting book harry cubs fan rob
subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 62 i'm curious know christians ever read books based critique religion , classical text age reason paine , myth maker sometimes good know enemy , want serious research understand sides , solely one right one yes , one examined critique book romans think , benjamin franklin , found amazing benjamin franklin missed whole boat also writings thomas jefferson sitting shelf , amazing much missed studied plato 's theory forms pile junk jesus makes plato aristotle look like psychology , id , ego , freud \? elements truth , jesus explained far better gave reasons thomas paine , benjamin franklin , thomas jefferson mere men screw bible well man put men remember j 's autobiography correctly , thought thomas paine man ever met 's circular reasoning paul says corinthians gospel foolishness world , spiritually , people without spirit god n't clue bible saying point view , 's incredibly circular convenient , mysteriously bizarre see , ca n't arrogance part trust bizarre nonetheless , truth , color blind red green \? remember dot tests 's \? put pictures front supposed identify pattern dots \? eyes perfectly normal , see letters embedded dots slightly different color stand background color blind red green , see anything gray shaded dots dot test appears see pattern normal seeing person see patterns , seem like total anomaly , appear missing universe something hard understand ca n't see anything plain day like bible , word god , believer believer see meaning words see patterns fit together depth consistency , hand , notice non believer n't see thinks weird thinks seeing things look , say , , weird see time sanity check go another christian say , see go , yes x say , thank god , see x truly strangest thing adds little extra dimension phrase , make blind see , deaf hear glad jesus enabled see wish every non believer could see missing
chopin udel edu \( \) subject 25mhz iisi nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 17 methods attaching heat sink processor go radio shack buy tube heat sink compound comes little blue white tube black screw cap radio shack , 's catalog number 276 's mix silicone zinc oxide , conducts heat well plus , 's tacky usually , would smear bit chip sink , bolt clamp sink , n't move mac , gravity goo hold things place make sure remember 's , case tilt mac jar hard enough shake loose would n't want loose piece metal running around inside mac
rpi edu \( mitchell e gold \) subject new religion forming sign reply weinss rs6101 ecs rpi edu 's message thu , 22 apr 1993 00 08 06 gmt nntp posting host rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute lines 1 yawn church kibology first better
whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) subject homosexuality issues christiani reply whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu organization news service rose hulman lines 13 article may 9 05 41 18 1993 athos rutgers edu todd nickel laurentian ca writes question interpret verses must establish reasons believing true based interpretation scriptures given someone come grips see way interpreting wrong please tell verses interpreted way read surrounding text christ 's love , bryan
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject alt atheism faq overview new readers summary hi please read post keywords faq , atheism expires thu , 27 may 1993 14 08 03 gmt distribution world organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk supersedes mantis co uk lines 146 archive name atheism overview alt atheism archive name overview last modified 20 april 1993 version 1 3 overview welcome alt atheism alt atheism moderated first series regular postings aimed new readers newsgroups many groups nature noticed new readers often come questions , mis statements misconceptions post net addition , people often request information posted time time order try cut , alt atheism groups series five regular postings following titles 1 alt atheism faq overview new readers 2 alt atheism faq introduction atheism 3 alt atheism faq frequently asked questions \( faq \) 4 alt atheism faq constructing logical argument 5 alt atheism faq atheist resources article number 1 please read numbers 2 3 posting others entirely optional new usenet , may also find helpful read newsgroup news announce newusers articles titled primer work usenet community , answers frequently asked questions usenet hints writing style usenet particularly relevant questions concerning news works best asked news newusers questions unable find articles listed , see finding stuff section credits files could written without assistance many readers alt atheism alt atheism moderated particular , 'd like thank following people cs cmu edu \( karl kluge \) perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) cc ncsu edu \( wayne aiken \) gdr bath ac uk \( toby kelsey \) cs hut fi \( jyrki \) geoff arnold east sun com \( geoff arnold \) sics se \( \) kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) quads uchicago edu \( greg \) arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) madhaus netcom com \( maddi hausmann \) j5j psuvm psu edu \( john johnson \) dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) mayne open cs fsu edu \( william mayne \) ajr bigbird hri com \( andy rosen \) ira uka de \( \) unix1 tcd ie \( bryan \) lippard ccit arizona edu \( james j lippard \) rigel tamu edu \( baum \) phoenix princeton edu \( york h \) schroede sdsc edu \( wayne schroeder \) baldwin navy mil \( j baldwin \) unh edu \( dana \) dempsey kodak com \( richard c dempsey \) jmunch hertz , elee calpoly edu \( john david munch \) pdc dcs ed ac uk \( paul crowley \) rz mips ac \( richard zach \) math mit edu \( tim chow \) simon dcs warwick ac uk \( simon clippingdale \) cc helsinki fi \( pekka \) countless others 've forgotten articles free truly free may copy distribute anyone wish however , please send changes corrections author , please post copies articles alt atheism nobody good multiple versions document floating around network finding stuff faq files somewhere news system suggestions ca n't find 1 check newsgroup alt atheism look subject lines starting alt atheism faq 2 check newsgroup news answers subject lines n't find anything steps 1 2 , news system n't set correctly , may wish tell system administrator problem 3 anonymous ftp access , connect rtfm mit edu 18 70 0 226 go directory pub usenet alt atheism , 'll find latest versions faq files ftp way copying files networked computers need help using getting started ftp , send e mail mail server rtfm mit edu send usenet news answers ftp list faq body 4 sites also carry news answers postings article introduction news answers newsgroup carries list sites article posted regularly news answers 5 n't ftp , send mail mail server rtfm mit edu consisting following lines send usenet news answers finding sources send usenet alt atheism faq send usenet alt atheism introduction send usenet alt atheism logic send usenet alt atheism resources 5 \( resort \) send mail mail server mantis co uk consisting following lines send atheism faq faq txt send atheism faq logic txt send atheism faq intro txt send atheism faq resource txt poor overworked modems try send copy files 's stuff , interesting commands try help send atheism index 6 \( last resort \) mail mathew mantis co uk , post article newsgroup asking get faq files 've tried methods 've failed 's nice clutter newsgroup people 's mailboxes requests files 's better posting without reading faq , though ! instance , people whose email addresses get mangled transit n't ftp probably need assistance obtaining faq files mathew
lwb cs utexas edu \( lance w bledsoe \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization cs dept , university texas austin lines 32 nntp posting host im4u cs utexas edu article juts ccc amdahl com agr00 juts ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) writes , deceive everone thinking latter day saints undergone undue persecution years believing religion , perhaps would like tell us happened mountain meadow massacres killings done blood atonement doctrine , command brigham young \? recently watched episode old west tv show discovery channel \( perhaps e network \) , one hosted kenny rogers episode mormons settled utah , etc large portion broadcast mountain massacre program specifically pointed brigham young knew nothing incident long happened \( telegraph \) , occured result several men bunch settlers amounted mob participants incident prosecuted lds church suggest watch episode \( play \) see \( non mormons \) say lance lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu \( 512 \) 258 0112 ye shall know truth , truth shall make free
freenet carleton ca \( lau hon wah \) subject copper bracelet \( dr john sorenson \) reply freenet carleton ca \( lau hon wah \) organization national capital freenet lines 25 seen copper bracelet name created dr john sorenson looking literature effectiveness copper bracelet dealing arthritis know one case 70 year old person developed bruise base left thumb wearing copper bracelet left wrist several months told bruise normal would disappear bruise reason concerned \? person discontinued wearing copper bracelet \? could anyone kindly point literature copper bracelet \? information copper bracelet \? response would much appreciated thank lau hon wah
gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu \( george f krumins \) subject gamma ray bursters \? organization university illinois urbana lines 21 kwp wag caltech edu \( kevin w plaxco \) writes article 27apr199320210230 stdvax gsfc nasa gov abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) writes demonstrating puppies beyond oort cloud would require resolution order , since oort cloud postulated extend 0 5 parsec \( together parallax arc second , parsec distance object demonstrates one arc second parallax 2 au base line \) according glossary astronomy astrophysics parsec \( abbreviation parallax second \) distance one astronomical unit angle 1 second arc 1 pc 206 , 265 au 3 086 x 10 13 km 3 26 lt yr george george krumins serpent rainbow gfk39017 uxa cso uiuc edu pufferfish observatory \( \)
nx10 mik uky edu \( jerry marvin \) subject wanted technics 1200 nntp posting host nx10 mik uky edu organization university kentucky , dept math sciences lines 4 simple , eh \? rather get 'em used new must guarantee
ralph buttigieg z3 fido zeta org au \( ralph buttigieg \) subject give 1 billion first year long moon residents \? organization fidonet gate admin fido socs uts edu au lines 24 original wats scicom alphacdc com g 'day wats scicom alphacdc com 20 apr 93 18 17 , wats scicom alphacdc com wrote wac wats scicom alphacdc com \( bruce watson \) , via kralizec 3 713 602 wac apollo program cost something like 25 billion time wac value dollar worth one would wac take offer assume 6 inflation since 1969 , would worth gd reckon moon mission today could cost thats factor ten reduction cost might possible reduce number using \( russian rockets \? \) gets built , think delta clipper could well achive goal ta ralph golded 2 41 origin world sydney australia \( 02 \) 635 1204 3 713 6 \( 3 713 635 \)
jlinder magnus acs ohio state edu \( jeffrey linder \) subject nc vs hunt \( marine gay bashing wilmington nc \) verdict nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 20 article 1993apr17 bsu ucs 00cmmiller leo bsuvc bsu edu writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy took large amount punishment refused submit \? oh yeah , h start video king got prone postion charge cops \? sorry , video cuts sit watch start finish sorry , n't see charge cops saw trying get away people beating guess see want see miller guess view video sofa gives better view cops involved \? guess one see one wants see jsl
tedm tsoft net \( ted matsumura \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization tsoft bbs public access unix , 1 415 969 8238 lines 34 article 1993apr30 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes article h7v csn org teal csn org \( \) writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) writes running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close 've noticed also way explained windows clear upper memory blocks program done anyone know \? post something similar back seems windows take upon free sys resources using application done job left entirely application , application clean quits anyone know utility windows clean sys resources application quits \( mother zip \? \? \? \) peace , mickey could also shell hogging resources example , open apps data files cause resulting low system resources ndw 2 x shell , program manager , see 's shell apps ted
jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) subject compiling mh 6 8 \( xmh \) sco 3 2 4 organization varco pruden buildings lines 47 i'm trying get mh compiled \( xmh \) i'm problems 've got mh 6 8 , using gcc sco 3 2 4 mh file listed anyone suggestions add get compile \? \? bin usr local bin debug etc usr local lib mh mail usr mail mail mandir usr man manuals gen chown bin chown editor remove bin mv f tcp ip sendmail available change mts entry sendmail mts sendmail smtp bboards usr spool bboards mf pop options see cc gcc ccoptions ansi stdc 0 dsysv curses lex lex sprintf int usr local lib ranlib define bind 3 named \( tcp ip \) used define sockets system 3 sockets \( tcp ip \) options atz bind dumb ' usr bin ' options overhead shadow sockets sys5 options jesse w asher \( 901 \) 762 6000 varco pruden buildings 6000 poplar ave , suite 400 , memphis , tn internet jessea vpbuild vp com uucp vpbuild ! jessea
robert knowles p00261 psilink com subject history texts \( ancient references christianity \) reply saltillo cs utexas edu nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 3 \) lines 15 date 24 apr 1993 11 53 48 0500 russell turpin turpin cs utexas edu diaries followers maharishi , formerly oregon , historical evidence confusing bhagwan \( sp \? \) maharishi mahesh yogi chance \? think bhagwan oregon rolls maharishi mahesh yogi founded transcendental meditation flying stuff bhagwan 's group communal , free sex kind thing think , though
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list reply joe rider cactus org distribution world organization lines 14 rbp netcom com \( bob pasker \) writes joe , i'm sorry felt pissing list intended would interested know said made feel way n't , meant like boxer owners k bike owners k bike owners boxer owners forth end 's nothing co owner received returned intentionally , sorry 'bout lack \) 's joe senner joe rider cactus org bmw mailing list bmw rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject gulf war peace niks organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 8 mccullou cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes seem agreeing soldiers job best could , following orders proof positive people beyond satire mathew
cis umassd edu \( howard \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization university massachusetts dartmouth distribution na lines 19 transarc com lyle seaman transarc com writes look , \( collectively \) power throw bums , n't use clearly n't need go burning things , clearly need throw least bums unfortunately , bums learned target small groups people single time , masses wo n't react throw eventually , masses react , unless bums cease relentless encroachment liberty economy sooner happens , less damages n't want live war zone , either want see bums thrown real damage real damage \? \? n't paying attention , seems called war drugs already done major damage us constitution howard bix com win 100 victories 100 adept cis umassd edu battles acme skill
atterlep vela acs oakland edu \( cardinal ximenez \) subject baptism requires faith organization national association disorganized lines 17 aaronc athena mit edu \( aaron bryce cardenas \) writes troubles many posts recently trying support doctrine original sin primarily catholic doctrine , purpose defend idea infant baptism read ezekiel 18 , see god n't hold us guilty anyone else 's sins original guilt adam neatly eliminates need savior proves saved works alone ! original sin , possible us save sinning understand reasoning behind argument , leads sheer folly original sin reason need faith saved alan terlep scorpion says , 'it 's oakland university , rochester , mi nature ' atterlep vela acs oakland edu
zach fit edu \( judy \( acs \) \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host zach fit edu organization florida institute technology , melbourne , fl usa lines 33 article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar mitre org \( emporium \) writes article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes todamhyp charles unlv edu \( brian huey \) writes think 's correct spelling looking information supplies allow yourselfers take krillean pictures i'm thinking education suppliers schools might appartus sale , n't know companies info greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps bill oz bill , flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg still , silent rest easy dear bill , think forgot smileys us got joke !
hamilton edu \( mary \) subject ranger fans \? \? \? \? \? organization hamilton college clinton , ny distribution na lines 90 article 1993apr22 101356 1 eagle wesleyan edu kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu writes one happy ranger 's hiring keenan 's bad agree keenan excellent choice see mike lupica 's column sunday 's news \? sentiments exactly think may one hunger fire hearts next season either 's going kicking alot butt ! reading hockey news n't see many ranger fans writing i'm , new group keeping fairly quiet \( know , lurking thing \) n't sense many rangers fans list either die hard ranger fan \( guess sat garden throughout led mario 's 5 goals 4 9 \) , sick abundance talent totally , lack heart displayed season final questions way team handled last dreadful stretch 1 knowing needed offensive help blueline , n't see mike hurlbut , played pretty well called leetch first went \? hurlbut injured quite i'm sure , think may recovered time playoff run , , like , question n't used 2 \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! ! joe kocur playing every night \? bob probert tough also play believe kocur used , many instances , intimidation factor granted , seemed get awful lot ice time reason alone , realize team real physical intimidation \( 'd like nickel every time j said 'they 've got take body \) , 've got least illusions \( 3 come paul broten relegated street clothes end season least plays heart character , draws penalties plays 110 's ice doghouse reason \? agree n't know 4 joe \? \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! enough said ! sorry , n't agree think c good job filling asked ca n't imagine 's easy going near 0 ice time full timer n't seem remember turning puck blue line much , failing clear zone worked hard , least n't make rookie mistakes said interview , give ranger fans may suffering 're loyal , unlike islander fans show team wins absolutely think attendance garden better last day season , average night islanders fought series mario amazing ! man awesome way , i'm enjoying playoffs , rangers n't really appreciate glory mario getting without 's opposing team deserves , far i'm concerned mary mary hamilton edu hamilton college clinton , n go rangers ! ! \( next year \)
organization washington university , st louis mark wuvmd wustl edu netnews wuvmd subject ray lankford question lines 19 article 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu , msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) says anybody know going lankford \? know games slight injury , since \( injury matter \) really struggling plate ray lankford saw last year \? \? \? patient sore shoulder crashing wall cards give time needs come around full time centerfielder however steal often year hitting clean mark
snakemail hut fi \( h \) subject flash leds sound \? organization helsinki university technology , finland lines 20 nntp posting host lk hp 11 hut fi reply dmn kepler unh edu 's message 24 apr 1993 09 05 22 0500 article kepler unh edu dmn kepler unh edu \( 's seeker born every minute \) writes would better use circuit based volume beeps cassette , better leds respond tone certain frequency \? easy way either \? i'm looking simplest circuit possible guess i'm asking sort color organ , quite let explain look information 567 tone decoder chip easy use chip detecting sound certain frequency need one 567 led want control chip take voltage levels , casette gives radio shack archer semiconductor reference guide gives good information use chip simplest way go chip costs something like 1 2 hut fi ! law hut fi ! jams force breaks , ! needed replacing anyway text provided without express implied warranty
wb8foz ncoast org \( david lesher \) subject hp manual reply wb8foz scl cwru edu organization f systems medina , ohio usa distribution na lines 14 one three oscillators hp made many years ago \( others low frequency oscillator wide range oscillator \) ones 7 diameter chrome dial , bridge circuit used pilot lights feedback loop , produced many volts output 've acquired pair venerable old beasts non working one , sn 605 , \( owned radio one point ! \) needs help know likely buy copy book hp , costs considering paid dollar pair rain dayton anyone book could copy parts \? thank
auburn edu \( john e burton jr \) subject dangerous ideological position nntp posting host organization alabama cooperative extension service , auburn university lines 38 wetware com drieux wetware com \( drieux , drieux \) writes article cbnews cb att com , lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes lessons tiananmen square neal knox reprinted guns ammo , september 1989 second amendment important , even todays progressive era included description 1932 bonus march washington , dc gen douglas opposed military force unemployed wwi veterans lobbying government immediately pay promised veteran 's bonus larry , ca n't seriously suggest us government would bunch , would call military protect us government decided forget generation veterans liberal saying advantages armed forces need actually pay services render aware us army called fight \( \) ww veterans \( bonus \) marched dc demanding bonuses promised service depression , wanted early john burton auburn edu opinions ,
dsto gov au \( paul \) subject lemon law anyone know law \? organization defence science technology organisation lines 19 nntp posting host dsto gov au \( kevin \) writes father lots problems 2 year old van lemon law \? qualifies \? talk philip took ford court recently , despite much trickery ford 's part , ! well , actually think ford settled court provision shut mouth stopped causing trouble love little guy wins n't philip 's address anymore , philip , call may bring hiding cheers , paul paul phone 61 8 259 avionics technology dsto dsto gov au fax 61 8 259 po box 1500 , south australia , 5108
kmgoh leland stanford edu \( goh \) subject sale air tix orlando , vegas reno organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa distribution usa lines 22 certificate one round trip either orlando , las vegas reno lake tahoe expiration date one year maximum retail value , depending time location , estimated 2000 three locations , including accommodation 3 days 2 nights leading hotel asking 1800 best offer purchase tickets single location possible information , call goh \( 415 \) 497 0663 send mail kmgoh leland stanford edu goh meng 116 , wilbur p box 7029 , stanford ca
tekig1 pen tek com \( robert j \) subject anonymous ftp sites graphics distribution usa organization tektronix , inc , beaverton , lines 9 someone please give couple names anonymous ftp sites graphics looking info sources images building ray tracer thanks , robert pen tek com
rhea ctr columbia edu \( yuan \) subject utility let remap keyboard ms win \? organization columbia university center telecommunications research x posted rhea ctr columbia edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 6 utility let remap keyboard ms win \? thanks pointer
nntp posting host ifi uio joakimr ifi uio \( joakim ruud \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization dept informatics , university oslo , norway lines 20 originator joakimr ifi uio tell really stupid , pretending tell really stupid , pretending fire insurance hope never use fire insurance offensive weapon spare tire trunk hope never use spare tire offensive weapon one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire
dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com subject john franco reply world std com nntp posting host 127 0 0 1 organization performance systems int'l x mailer psilink dos \( 3 4 \) lines 32 date fri , 23 apr 1993 00 03 11 gmt chan tac world std com wall cc swarthmore edu \( matthew wall \) writes , anybody know 's john franco \? mets starting small amount spring training work , \? mets really starting slow mike young job closing said franco closer give rest rush since need want franco get hurt return guy know like see pitch 2 lat 2 weeks tac well , said franco probably go dl tomorrow \( mentioned career minor warm body would go along forget \) also , answering questions rotation , coleman \( sd broadcaster \) said hurst gone month month half , finish hab later dennis dennis parslow better korean good troy , ny 12180 luck symbol ! williams p00421 psilink com
schuster panix com \( michael schuster \) subject buy bios \? keywords bios , motherboard , phoenix , , microtimes organization panix public access internet unix , nyc distribution ba lines 15 article netcom com ikos netcom com \( ikos \) writes i'm market upgrade bios phoenix 1 10 \( got new hard disk , discovered bios n't type 47 \) would like know purchase one things , anybody help quest \? pick copy pc magazine byte , look classifieds small print ads back handful shops specialize bios upgrades mike schuster schuster panix com compuserve com schuster shell portal com genie
mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) subject capital punishment organization university illinois urbana lines 40 gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes regarding new draft universal catechism procuring common good society need could arise aggressor placed position cannot cause harm virtue , right obligation public authorities punish penalties , including death penalty , acknowledged degree means death penalty military operations sufficient keep peace , non violent provisions preferred proportion keeping final goal protection peace human dignity exactly ! ! read one sentence degree means death penalty military operations sufficient keep peace , non violent provisions preferred n't believe necessary us murder criminals keep peace church united states feels way , thus reason catholic church opposed every execution country recent memory clearly shown excerpt , church 's teaching capital punishment remains today always past total accord sentiment disagree use deadly force cases option justifiable justifiable \? stated explicitly new catechism , justifiable case necessary keep peace since apply country , logical conclusion \( based premises \) one must opposed form capital punishment america opinions mike walker univ illinois
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject ok , little hasty organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 30 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article news duke edu , infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes also , nc recently \( last years \) decided due fact constantly people road drunk driving , raise awareness making stricter laws , , believe nc toughest laws dwi \( necessarily increasing amount awareness , kills highways meaning 's made difference sentencing \) automatic license year i'm sure 's law around , nc absolutely sense humor respect driving laws , anyway think put jail sell first child slavery passing school bus bill nc house lower level 1 08 faces stiff opposition senate recently , highway patrol took opposition senators gave shots , hit 07 , put course dodging cones failed , probably change votes result bizarre reason , nc state veto power legislation coming state congress , opinion matter moot ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
mccullou cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject gulf war selling arms organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 46 article 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes jbrown batman bmd trw com writes mathew , agree , seems , crux whole position , n't \? us n't supported hussein sold arms fight iran \? agree agree ruthlessly hunting sell arms hussein , 's done deal invades kuwait sit back say , well , sold arms , suppose wants use bad kuwait , unfortunately , sitting back letting things way correct former mistake destroying hussein 's military potential right move agree statement , reagan bush made grave error judgment sell arms hussein 's still happening 's entire point last month , john major great victory personally secured sale arms saudi arabia month , sold jet fighters indonesian government 's busy killing east heard arms sale saudi arabia , grave mistake sell saudi arabia weapons \? claiming n't sell weapons countries \? straightforward answer please 's well say oops , made boo boo , better clean mistake , us uk keep making mistake often ca n't believe 's deliberate suspicion reinforced fact mistake extremely profitable one economy reliant arms sales benefits arms sales \? hint , n't normally gov't contractor builds piece equipment believe , us uk n't export huge quantities arms accused arms exports rare enough , requires act congress non small arms countries , believe telling everyone , sell goods \? mathew mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
pbhandar tsegw tse com \( parminder bhandari \) subject question integra auto box organization toronto stock exchange distribution rec lines 17 i'm new group may discussed already , case apologies , '92 integra auto box according manual car lock torque converter , something similar , work \? \( excuse ignorance \) anybody know \? parms \( sig yet \)
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject human planets \? lines 24 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks planets also dependent kind plant life grown length growing season \( want something vat food , argh , id eat mre along period time \) know fairbanks \( \) winter get 60 f , summer get 90 know worse places low pressure atmosphere limit human \( someone woman must come lower elevations babies brought term \? true \? \) remember book think delt planet lower density air wonder limit end atmospheres \? limiting human needs stresses alien thou aliens might adapted totally alien human environment , upper atmosphere jupiter \? \? almost makes bio engineered life easy michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
brahms udel edu \( oliver p weatherbee \) subject new windows drivers cirrus gd5426 graphic cards nntp posting host brahms udel edu organization university delaware lines 43 uploaded recent windows drivers cirrus gd5426 chip based display cards uploads directory ftp cica indiana edu \( file zip \) 're recent , downloaded cirrus bbs \( 570 226 \) last night unable get , email maybe upload sites well local bus based card \( vl24 bitblaster micron \) think drivers work isa cards \( least includes drivers \) found new drivers significant improvement 1 2 version , improving graphic winmarks \( v3 11 \) 2 million \( 7 77 9 88 \) although could result intentional benchmark cheating cirrus 's part n't think steve gibson 's \( columnist info world \) graphic card comparisons \( also found cica ftp site name winadv zip \) extracted following sake comparison wintach 11 word cad paint overall steve 's system 486 33 vlb ati graphics ultra pro 9 33 10 34 20 78 8 28 14 90 13 58 system 486sx 33 vlb vl24 bitblaster 9 88 8 65 11 71 18 84 15 40 13 65 viper , think hell deal third cost ati card compared cards included gibson 's review micron system owner 's , would interested hear opinions dtc local bus disk controller system came maxtor drive \( 120 mb \) first giving disk winmarks 16 kb , 22 kb good gets \? ca n't get norton 's disk reading intercepts calls , least program said oliver weatherbee oliver earthview
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject jewish baseball players \? organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 13 article 1993apr19 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes article jwt oau org bbs comarow jwt oau org writes dave kingman jewish sez \? sez dave kingman used take yom kippur days coincided season scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
steve keystone arch unsw edu au \( stephen peter \) subject windows bmp something wanted keywords bmp nntp posting host arch unsw edu au reply steve keystone arch unsw edu au organization faculty architecture , university new south wales lines 20 , i'm looking program convert bmp images gif , tga even ppm 'd prefer unix program , dos fine also 've seen alchemy \( dos \) windows image viewers save image formats , i'm converter viewer help would ! cheers stephen peter unsw edu au stephen peter steve keystone arch unsw edu au v school architecture , university new south wales , australia phone 61 2 fax 61 2 messages 61 2
qwerty tunisia ssc gov \( kris schludermann \) subject help ide drive installation problems nntp posting host tunisia ssc gov organization superconducting super collider laboratory lines 7 i'm trouble installing second ide drive promise ide caching controller first drive conner works fine second drive conner , currently slave drive problem slave drive recognized reported back free space disabling cache made effect else check \? krispy
jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 58 distribution world nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article curie cs yale edu ahmed shakil cs yale edu \( shakil waiz ahmed \) writes article 1sueslinna6g minerva cis yale edu , jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) writes muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims yeah ! 's ! \) 've really outdone time nick n't forget davidian muslims \) islam race 's religion white , black , fijian alaskan change fact muslim legal political term defined constitutionally former yugoslavia , therefore meaning consequences entirely independent immaterial religious considerations civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements terms secession \? , course , joking , right nick \? nobody chose fight bosnia croatia internationally recognized nations serbs attacked started well documented genocide makes outside aggressor 's simple genocide , classical example ethnic cleansing question civil war wish 2 , 000 , 000 residents croatia b h accepted terms secession tudjman unilaterally forced upon croats muslims may right negotiated secession right grab entire territories former yugoslav republics croatia b h oh , btw , yugoslavia internationally recognized destroyed tudjman , , milosevic , international community led germany yugoslavia 's borders could changed , certainly croatia 's borders b h 's borders changed well stated many times civil war ex yugoslavia end terms secession \( borders , etc \) croatia b h finally agreed upon serbs , croats , muslims make territorial concessions reach agreement nick
richmond spiff princeton edu \( stupendous man \) subject temperature dark sky originator news nimaster nntp posting host spiff princeton edu organization princeton university lines 35 \( henry spencer \) writes anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? note , talking temperature microwave background radiation things sky mbr i'm total blackbody temperature thermal radiator would see , disregarding \( shielding \) sun nearby large warm objects henry , read correctly , may asking put blackbody interstellar space \( sun nearby large warm objects' \) , reach thermal equilibrium ambient radiation field \? 's case , let point interstellar dust molecules provide many instances things , well , far blackbodies many different observations , including iras cobe , determined interstellar dust grain temperatures range 40k 150k might look conference proceedings interstellar processes , ed j h , jr , published 1987 try articles et al , , black inside disk galaxy , temperature varies quite bit place place \( close nearest ob association , would guess \) outside galaxy , course , things n't varied hope looking michael richmond heart broke finger richmond astro princeton edu
kevxu cunyvm bitnet subject christianity repeated lives organization city university new york lines 36 essentially discussion reincarnation context christianity gerry palo made comparisons asian religious beliefs topic simplified asian idea karma point misrepresentation significant differences idea karma among hindus , , buddhists \( even among various buddhist traditions \) refer karma system reward past deeds totally incorrect buddhist traditions karma considered moral process intentions \( either good evil \) shape person 's future intention action produce person prone good evil , opposite reward nothing buddhism atheistic deity dispense rewards punishments karma usually described terms seeds fruit thereof fact , shall reap found canon recall , metaphor natural growth explicit hinduism , sects tradition , believe much deterministic involve concepts closer reward punishment inclined point fact , buddhist tradition southeast asia considers karma one five influences human life , fact point view would unable explain mechanics karma without element free also eastern religions difference reincarnation rebirth , essentially absent western considerations n't origen usually cited prestigious proponent reincarnation among christian thinkers \? views , relate christian scriptures \? jack carroll
casper fwi uva nl \( casper h dik \) subject problems xdm \( \? \) x11r5 solaris organization fwi , university amsterdam lines 25 nntp posting host adam fwi uva nl db sunbim \( danny backx \) writes yes , bug x11r5 port xterm sometimes get start xdm reported casper n't know whether made set patches yet basically mit clients xterm main c , test line checks errno attempting open dev tty add errno case fine 's actually bug solaris 2 1 kernel could add workaround xterm open never return , \( n't time update r5 sunos5 patch lately , non existing problems seem warrant new set patches since xsession bourne shell script anyway , might well add line etc done etc profile xdm also keep xdm environment variable inherited environment casper
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject make clipper chip wiretapping less bad nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 15 've got idea would remove political complaints clipper chip pass law stating , within year wiretap someone , police agency n't managed convict suspect crime warrant wiretap , agency suspect 1 million repay lost privacy course , still problems technical aspects clipper , one size fits mentality would behind attempt enforce standard would way favor allowing continued wiretaps assure us used cases crime important police certain really conviction john kj
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject baltic states realism 'virvir' drivel reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 173 article zip eecs umich edu cairo eecs umich edu \( stuart \) writes way , entire paragraph closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 , point invariably miss n't vague let us shall \? entire paragraph ``as turks solved armenian problem turkey slaying driving armenians country , proceeded solve tartar problem armenia closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust , villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki , hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north , dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian , l r hartill , like , '' bobbs merrill company , london , 1928 p 202 descend total inability distinguish 'the cold blooded genocide muslim people 'the armenian war' incredible , please provide us corrections source stanford j shaw , armenian collaboration invading russian armies 1914 , history ottoman empire modern turkey \( volume ii reform , revolution republic rise modern turkey , 1808 1975 \) \( london , cambridge university press 1977 \) pp 315 316 april 1915 dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city van , whose 33 , 789 armenians comprised 42 3 percent population , closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april 28 , 1915 , armenian volunteers reached van may 14 organized carried general slaughter local muslim population next two days knowing numbers would never justify territorial ambitions , armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning first world war decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state , ottoman empire , assist instead invading russian armies hope participation russian success would rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders , army officers , common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia 1914 beginning world war , degree armenian collaboration ottoman 's enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines cut guerilla attacks , armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations , turn massacred muslim population province van anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies meanwhile , czar nicholas ii came caucasus make final plans cooperation armenians ottomans , president armenian national bureau tiflis declaring response countries armenians hurrying enter ranks glorious russian army , blood serve victory russian arms let russian flag wave freely dardanelles bosporus let , , great majesty , peoples remaining turkish yoke receive freedom let armenian people turkey suffered faith christ receive resurrection new free life protection russia ' 155 armenians flooded czarist armies preparations made strike ottomans rear , czar returned st petersburg confident day finally come reach istanbul 155 horizon , tiflis , november 30 , 1914 , quoted hovannisian , road independence , p 45 fo 2485 , 2484 46942 , 22083 ottoman morale military position east seriously hurt , way prepared new russian push eastern anatolia , accompanied open armenian revolt sultan 156 156 hovannisian , road independence , pp 45 47 , iii 1 , pp 349 380 w e allen p muratoff , caucasian battlefields , cambridge , 1953 , pp 251 277 ali , harb , 2 vols , ankara , 1951 , ii , 41 160 fo 2146 fo 2485 fo 2484 , nos 46942 22083 armenian state organized van russian protection , appeared muslim natives dead driven away , might able maintain one oldest centers ancient armenian civilization armenian legion organized 'to expel turks entire southern shore lake preparation concerted russian drive bitlis vilayet ' 162 thousands armenians mus major centers east began flood new armenian state mid july many 250 , 000 armenians crowded van area , crisis housed fed 50 , 000 people , muslim non muslim alike 163 162 hovannisian , road independence , p 56 , nos 163 , vukela mazbatalari , debates august 15 17 , 1915 ali evrak odasi , 175 , 321 , van ami , 1333 10 september 1915 point , original quote used term , '' distinct , '' perhaps feel free make minor adjustments name truth went weeks ago comes entire turkish population armenia \( armenians called tartars \) constituted least 40 total population armenia deliberately exterminated \( population statistics , please look book richard , armenia road independence \) listed three books earlier monstrous crime writings one armenian , one american , one british men like leonard r hartill adventures near east rawlinson world alive , personal story robert dunn also , personally copies documents crime writings two armenians also one american official british report massacre mentioned one documents \( lord curzon interview \) report british high commissioner , sir oliver wardrop appropriate analogy jewish holocaust might systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted least 30 40 percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated eye witnessed atrocities published u 1926 title 'men like ' references abound \( rachel bortnick jewish times june 21 , 1990 \) need go \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) subject impala ss going organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 15 still ca n't understand hype ss , still ugly caprice body \( wheels \) caprice worst new body style come detroit ever ! lt1 engine suspension added still ugly , still gm 's answer everything throw v8 someone buy add plastic ground affects stickers call gt , gtz ss , someone buy imho gm needs scrap caprice body completely start blank sheet paper minor modification \( wheel well treatments , tail amp modification , nose design even lt1 engine \) help existing caprice jeff
especkma reed edu \( erik speckman \) subject drive speeds differ \? \? article reed 1993apr23 organization reed college , portland , oregon lines 18 article 1993apr22 mcontent apana org au thomas n krebs mcontent apana org au writes likely explanation may something fact greater density information exists larger capacity disk drive smaller one running drive mac would recommend shareware utility called tests seek , scsi throughput rotational speed utility let know differences drives views expressed posting individual author bbs number \( 613 \) 848 1346 maccontent first iconic bbs ! larger drives tend platters allow adjacent bits read parallel resulting higher throughput also higher speeds leads increased throughput reduced seek times \( due reduction rotational latency \) erik speckman
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cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) subject burden proof organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host vesta unm edu article 7hg aurora engr latech edu , ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes note followups go alt atheism , talk religion misc , talk origins ! deleted make statement , god exists , loves , etc way insist believe , place burden proof upon insist god n't exist , place burden proof upon \? give proofs , give testimony beliefs respond proofs attempt disprove beliefs say x statement give authority fact , respond asking n't obligated say anything , intent convince x statement true , yes , burden proof upon merely giving testimony beliefs , egotist would care \? surmise , burden proof upon wish us believe say true chris faehl cfaehl vesta unm edu
sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) subject mail order response time reply sturges oasys dt navy mil \( richard sturges \) organization carderock division , nswc , bethesda , md lines 11 ordered many times competition get 2 3 day delivery backorder something , sent card say would two weeks came 10 days always satisfied , ca life rich sturges \( h \) 703 536 4443 nswc carderock division \( w \) 301 227 1670 speak one else , listen
banschbach vms ocom okstate edu subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction lines 118 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine article shelley u washington edu , hardy u washington edu \( gordon rubenfeld \) writes banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes candida blooms following use broad spectrum antibiotics \? rubenfeld , e mail , assured physicians recognize chance candida blooms occuring broad spectrum antibiotic use therefore reinnoculate patients good bacteria restore candida body believe yet standard part medical practice mine tried explain marty clearly understood antibiotic exposure risk factor fungal infections saying bacteria prevent fungal infections marty made sound like secret known anyone treated urinary tract infection centers pre op liver transplant patients receive bowel directed retaining good flora attempt prevent fungal colonization soon high risk group also use lactobacillus treat nutrition associated diarrhea \( may part due alterations gut flora \) however , part routine practice reinnoculate patients good bacteria antibiotics seen data practice preventing treating fungal infections risk patients whether logical extension available observations 'll leave base strong opinions argue speculations absence clinical trials one place therapy described treating particularly cases c colitis \( fungal infection \) case reports using stool \( ie someone elses \) patients flora n't try home give give advise use otc anti fungal creams since candida primarily ano rectal area , gi symptoms common vaginal problems broad spectrum antibiotic use except n't least apparent disease medicine , probalby never , practiced way always use conventional wisdom good example kidney stones conventional wisdom \( clinical trails done come effective prevention \) , restricitng intake calcium oxalates best way prevent kidney stones forming clinical trials focused drugs ultrasonic blasts breakdown stone formed recent new england j medicine article , know conventional wisdom wrong , increasing calcium intake better preventing stone formation restricting calcium intake seems like excellent argument ignoring anecdotal conventional wisdom \( euphemism data \) good clinical trial , like au w e wade j lee j b k j ti randomized , double blind trial nystatin therapy candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome see comments n engl j med 1990 dec 20 323 \( 25 \) p 23 psychological tests results three active treatment regimens placebo regimen significantly reduced vaginal systemic symptoms \( p less 0 001 \) , nystatin reduce systemic symptoms significantly placebo conclusions women presumed candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome , nystatin reduce systemic psychological symptoms significantly placebo consequently , empirical recommendation long term nystatin therapy women appears unwarranted trial address every issue raised , jon noring surprised negative trial since n't use sporanox \( despite crook 's recommendation nystatin \) maybe n't avoid carbohydrates conventional wisdom animal husbandry animals need good bacteria coming antibiotic therapy makes sense livestock , n't make sense humans david \? talking dangerous treatment \( unless consider yogurt dangerous \) standard part medical practice , gordon r says , incidence gi distress vaginal yeast infections decline marty , 've also changed terrain discussion empiric itraconazole undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis systemic hypersensitivity symptoms \( noring syndrome \) yoghurt vitamin therapy undocumented candida \( elaine palmer syndrome \) systemic symptoms significant difference cost risk two empiric therapeutic trials talking real candida infections , whole yeast connection hypothesis , efficacy routine bacterial humans , ability anecdotally effective therapies \( challenged negative randomized trial \) confirm hypothesis \( post hoc ergo propter hoc \) ca n't seem focus disease , therapy , hypothesis discussion i'm lost ! candida \) gordon , think best clinical trial candida blooms would involve giving women chronic vaginal candida blooms l acidophilus orally see decrease frequency extent candida blooms vagina since candida seems migrating anal region l acidophilus able keep candida check make intestinal tract anus access oxygen \( like vagina \) much stuff lay press l acidophilus vaginal yeast infections , i'm really amazed someone done clinical trial yet check calcium kidney stone story good reason throw conventional wisdom window would medicine conventional wisdom used develop many standard medical practices could confirmed clinical trials \? clinical trial new arrival medical scene \( important one \) lack proof good bacteria antibiotic use important health patient reason dismiss hand , especially done safely \( like animal husbandry \) marty b
orion oac uci edu \( michael \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? nntp posting host slip nts uci edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 organization uc irvine lines 31 x xxmessage id slip nts uci edu x xxdate sun , 25 apr 93 18 00 16 gmt article cassidy 72 0 elan rowan edu kyle cassidy , cassidy elan rowan edu writes bad idea machine 24 hours day , 's actually things 24 hours day use purpose alarm clock , scheduler , 've got routines run middle night , phone calls makes day i'm machine 24 hours day , count working 24 hours day could call work download file might need , could call work turn lights i'm going late \( oops , wasted electricity conversely , could turn lights \) heck , suppose could even connect microwave dinner ready get oh well nevermind i'm babbling things 've mention still accomplished machine power previous poster said power , n't mean turning machine , means machine energy mode sucks least electricity
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject changing brake fluid necessary reply gmuvax gmu edu 's message 23 apr 93 16 31 29 0500 lines 15 organization ibm toronto lab article 1993apr23 gmuvax gmu edu gmuvax gmu edu writes hi 've seeing articles changing brake fluid wondering really necessary 86 toyota corolla , 94000 want stop seriously though , every 2 years done brake fluid water time , water becomes steam fluid gets hot , steam compresses 'll also better luck longevity master cylinder , calipers brake lines jeff goss
ron roth rose com \( ron roth \) subject kidney stones x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 52 banschbach vms ocom okstate edu \( marty banschbach \) writes b medicine , probalby never , practiced way b always use conventional wisdom good example b kidney stones conventional wisdom \( clinical trails b done come effective prevention \) , restricitng b intake calcium oxalates best way prevent kidney stones b forming clinical trials focused drugs ultrasonic blasts b breakdown stone formed recent new england j b medicine article , know conventional wisdom wrong , b increasing calcium intake better preventing stone formation b restricting calcium intake b marty b marty , personally would n't quick take nejm article kidney stones gospel first , would want know sponsored study seen many nutrition bulletins years local newspapers , magazines , tv guide , disclaimers bottom informing us great health news brought us compliments dairy industries course numerous interest groups thrive financially media hype created supposedly enormous benefits increasing one 's calcium intake secondly , kidney stones test subjects involved project analysed chemical composition \? study n't say , claimed kidney stones large ly calcium perhaps wo n't long another study comes exact opposite findings curious phenomenon researchers oftentimes plain wrong would n't first time sodium magnesium calcium phosphorus ratios , opinion , still reliable indicators cause , treatment , prevention kidney stones , one , continue recommend logical changes one 's diet supplementation counteract prevent kidney stones either type definitely wo n't include increase calcium stones identified calcium type people 's chemical analysis confirms would benefit phosphorus raising approach instead ! ron roth internet rn rose com rosenet ron roth stone ground better stone body rosereader 2 10 p003228 entered rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton \( 416 \) 575 5363
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munroe dmc com \( dick munroe \) subject repost tape drives \( 4mm , 8mm \) sale organization doyle , munroe consultants , inc , hudson , lines 19 article 1993apr21 1479 dmc com , munroe dmc com \( dick munroe \) writes acorn software , inc 3 tape drives \( currently used vms system \) sale scsi tape drives working condition wangdat 1300 4mm 500 00 wangdat 2600 4mm \( compression \) 650 00 exabyte 8mm 650 00 \( sale pending \) plus shipping cod certified checks , please units sold without warrantee contact 're interested dick munroe internet munroe dmc com doyle munroe consultants , inc uucp uunet ! ! munroe 267 cox st office \( 508 \) 568 1618 hudson , fax \( 508 \) 562 1133 get connected ! ! ! send mail info dmc com find
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject soc religion christian organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 18 dozier \( dozier utkux1 utk edu \) wrote reading posts newsgroup pasts 4 months , become apparent group primarily active liberals , catholics , new , athiests someone might think change name soc religion perhaps even soc religion new might seem appropriate heck , n't flame , i'm catholic , gay , voted bill clinton i'm side ! since conservative , protestant , old time religion believers get exclusive christianity \? christianity , always , diverse contentious tradition , group reflects diversity , fo one , ready concede group liberal conservative , catholic , protestant , orthodox , charismatic right claim truth , everyone else christian revdak netcom com
seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) subject mary 's assumption organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 20 article may 14 02 11 24 1993 athos rutgers edu david bernard central sun com writes response question jesus' parents would sanctified beyond normal humanity elizabeth greeted mary , elizabeth said something effect mary , women , blessed , appears exactly places mary beyond sanctification normal humanity would think simply pregnant incarnation almighty god would enough make mary blessed among women , whether special spiritual attributes find special mary needs , less human jesus gets seanna watson bell northern research , pray end living , \( seanna bnr ca \) ottawa , ontario , canada philosophies creeds , god find people busy opinion , opinions \? oh opinions planting trees sowing seeds , 're bnr 's , 're mine knew 'd left somewhere fred kaan
loh fraser sfu ca \( keith meng wei loh \) subject espn cares less hockey organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 16 jbrown vax cns muskingum edu writes espn pathetic , watching everybody complain espn 's coverage agree might suggest getting worked nothing knew espn 's coverage going suck mean ever watched regular season sportscenter coverage hockey \? sucks , mean really sucks ! ! ! espn know hockey shot ass really pissed last night , coverage go school ohio know indians suck , show \? bill clement would shoot hope makes feel better , overtime isles caps great ! ! ! hang \)
psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 22 apr 93 god 's promise psalm 34 5 organization university buffalo lines 5 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu looked unto , faces ashamed psalm 34 5
eeb1 kimbark uchicago edu \( e elizabeth bartley \) subject israel 's expansion ii reply eeb1 midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 16 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes jews stranded polish border since country accepted like arabs stranded border trials , hearing , expulsion based guilt due race due race due membership organization publically proclaimed would destroy state expelled furthermore kill large segment citizens state , based race pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions safe , legal , early , rare
microsoft com \( alan ezekiel \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization microsoft corporation lines 63 lvc cbnews cb att com \( larry cipriani \) writes according wnci 97 9 fm radio morning , dayton , ohio operating gun buy back giving 50 every functional gun turned ran money one day , passing 50 vouchers sort looking funds keep operating another media event brought hci something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works david veal points , sort promotion would used gun owners mass media however , proposal offer gun safety classes area , free , community service class would normally cost 40 50 , offering free good promotion gun club organized several \( finished teaching another one last night , fact \) well received get lot people novices interested guns even get anti gun , feel know something gun safety since members family keep guns home teaching course gives us many desirable benefits \( 1 \) chance teach gun safety rules increases firearm awareness may help reduce gun accident stats \( 2 \) gun safety class politically correct , likely viewed positively public media \( 3 \) students people' \( gun enthusiasts \) kind class gives us chance give gentle introduction firearms \( 4 \) students enthusiastic , purchase gun become involved shooting personal defense \( 5 \) improves public perception club gun owners general students see reasonable , non aggressive , soft spoken people , helps mitigate standard image hardcore gun owner even anti gun students sometimes tell us something new think regards personal gun ownership \( 6 \) sharing experience others lot fun course standard nra certified home firearm safety class , students pay 5 materials also teach nra 's personal protection class , although cost higher one since purchase range time think firearms safety classes excellent response gun buy backs nobody shares opinions , jelly especially employer president john f kennedy
j k wight newcastle ac uk \( jim wight \) subject athena help ! ! ! nntp posting host organization university newcastle upon tyne , uk , ne1 7ru lines 15 cs rit edu \( c \) writes currently programming athena toolkit problems creating text widget help greatly appreciated assume literally trying create widget type use widget instead jim j k wight newcastle ac uk department computing science , university newcastle , tel 44 91 222 8238 newcastle upon tyne , ne1 7ru , united kingdom fax 44 91 222 8232
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject dogs vs bikes nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 32 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes article ccu umanitoba ca klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) writes large ol' dog made real effort trying train still n't feed much seriously first would like break 'll worry chasing things ca n't 've obviously waited long , putting much effort 80 lb dog \( always \) used fart time making notice \( course smell n't bother ! \) , thence kicking outside \( somewhat literally \) , came realize shoudl n't \( least around \) sort like scene 10 , minister 's study , secretary lets one fly , startled dog runs room minister explains , every time mrs breaks wind , beat dog jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
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dfs doe carleton ca \( david f skoll \) subject mosque jewish quarter \( israeli destruction \) organization dept electronics , carleton university lines 17 eggertj moses mit edu eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) writes important note remains least one mosque jewish quarter old city , least according map might able find north synagogue mosque really still \? mosque built squatters \? jerusalem couple years ago , guide told us story mosque sure true apparently , built jewish convert islam dispute neighbours , built mosque annoy 's cute story , sure 's true david f skoll
rfp jhuvm hcf jhu edu \( rebecca \) subject wanted summer sublet dc organization johns hopkins university , homewood academic computing lines 7 nntp posting host jhuvm hcf jhu edu wanted summer sublet nw dc , red metro line bedroom , share common areas others apartment room 400 less move memorial day weekend end august smokers email yalevm rfp jhuvm
walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 18 article c5og5h 4de exnet co uk , sys1 exnet co uk \( xavier gallagher \) writes well , obvious point make would straight men fuck like rabbits oppertunity presented \? reckon man would go wildly promiscuous presented huge variety willing partners true , gays straights except sexual preference , would imagine gays would much less sex straights available pool dates less one tenth straights somebody correct \( flame \) please ! mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh amateur radio km6xu wx3k aol bigcookie aol com uscf l10861 , worry \? william gaines , 1922 1992 i'm gonna crush ! andre giant , 1946 1993
jb access digex com \( jb \) subject genesis games sale \( updated expanded \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 14 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net sega genesis games sale \( games 25 ! \) galaxy force ii jordan vs bird \( one one , shoot outs , etc \) test drive ii duel \( comes box \) iii also sale football '93 joe montana 35 games include manual case shipping 4 per order \( 2nd day priority \) john baker
barr pop psu edu \( david barr \) subject tn3270 support xterm \? organization penn state population research institute lines 13 nntp posting host bosnia pop psu edu article 93122 qucdn queensu ca qucdn queensu ca writes tn3270 program support xterm \? n't like x3270 ca n't copy windows thanks x3270 export lcs mit edu supposedly use another x3270 cleaned brian ward ward math psu edu adds better color support , lots bugs , well cut paste put export lcs mit edu , tar z dave system administrator , penn state population research institute end article \( \) next \?
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject rewording second amendment \( ideas \) organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 105 dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi \( foxvog douglas \) writes viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) writes really depends upon draw line defining weapons , means would support ban narrow enough good narrow , narrow 'll recall , nut advocated possibility tactical nukes militia weapons certain situations possibly define weapon n't start also intend law reflective modern practice five months five centuries road would hope let 's define nuclear weapon explosive weapon whose majority energy comes fission fusion atomic nuclei 've described civilian reactor definition fails note energy considered reactors blow steam explosion , majority energy still comes fission fusion heated coolant see worms \? last heard , ft station north omaha , nebraska n't considered weapon given sodium cooled breeder designs blocks , easily envision reactors household appliances twenty years prism design , operator input needed reactor , unreasonable assume secondary side made equally automatic future definition flawed respects already let 's define biological weapon live organisms viruses state , quantity , vector could cause death serious disease defined significant number people released city , similarly populated area , , mary would likely fit bill n't mind , hiv positive person also fits bill interact others way stands chance spreading virus finally , manure pile mention fits definition , , say , releasing pet wild nerve gas mustard gas well defined poisonous gasses individually banned shown use related weaponry licenses available research purposes chemicals show gas uses example , perhaps would like rid hay field gophers calcium carbide rock dissolves water produce gas used welding , miners lamps , gassing gophers , making carbide bombs illicit fishing toss toilet leave cigarette seat 'll see also weapon , like flammable substance , miners lamps wo n't work , ca n't welding , still gophers lawyer , ideas could certainly basis definitions basis , i'm sure see problem writing law , writing law cannot abused extended beyond point good 'll give little hint see manure pile farmer 's field road \? usa , weapon mass destruction , nope considered weapon proposed law pit run underground fuel tanks biological nature , gets washed open well contaminate aquifers supply thousands cities drinking water , draw line \? usa , epa ruled pile scrap iron illegal care draw thinner line time \? defined weapon mass destruction many things banned reasons meets criterion weapon instrument used fighting , even though intended purpose , despite better weapons around given aquifers supply significant part country drinking water , mass destruction rather given 's certain weapons n't something 'd rather see lot people problem nearly impossible write law cannot abused upon pretext another looser definition , ripe abuse law furthermore , get specific old standby insert clause allowing list banned things added , generally without going hassles another vote public reading law , ripe abuse dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
kolstad cae wisc edu \( joel kolstad \) subject multiple inputs pc organization u wisconsin madison college engineering lines 31 article uicvm uic edu u19250 uicvm uic edu writes anyone offer suggestion problem \? several boards whose sole purpose decode dtmf tones send resultant ascii pc boards run serial interface need run boards simultaneously need able ho ok pc problem , hook 8 serial devices one pc , send data \( close \) \? help would greatly appreciated ! boards intelligent \? \( e , run microcontrollers \? \) easiest thing would another line says one boards talking pc line true , boards could hold send data n't perfect solution , though , since worry little making sure two boards n't decide talk exact time , think need hook board something speaks rs 232 actually n't hard \( expensive ! \) used , though assuming boards talk relatively slowly \( 9600 bps slower \) , pics coordinate things data \( really adding suggestion first paragraph system assumes board n't talk 1 8th time , long , since pic n't going able buffer , maybe 20 bytes ! \) might want check prices multi serial card pc , though recently bought boca research card \( 2 parallel ports , 4 rs 232 ports \) reasonable 85 joel kolstad
jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 32 distribution world nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes 've asked crucial question underlies much genocide bosnian muslims slavic ethnicity speak serbo croatian slavic ideology whereby true slavs christian anyone converted islam thereby must changed ethnicity changing religion muslim ex yugoslavia nation religion fact , muslims b h followers islam therefore , \( \? \) exist ex yugoslavia christian muslims tito defined muslim nation constitutionally , adding muslims serbs , croats , , three founding nations entered voluntary union end wwi addition , tito added two nations constitutionally , nations right secession , republics , muslim much political term religious term \( differentiate religion politics , \) b h slavic ideology made muslim nation yugoslavia , atheist communist ideology tito tito , muslim nation yugoslavia war religious war , ethnic war civil war terms secession negotiated guns instead pens croat , muslim , serb political leaders chose fight terms secession instead compromising peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements nick
kax cs nott ac uk \( kevin anthoney \) subject consciousness part ii kev strikes back ! organization nottingham university lines 102 article 1993apr17 ousrvr oulu fi kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) writes kevin anthoney \( kax cs nott ac uk \) wrote post probably either brilliant insane let know \) brilliant example using objection theories consciousness diplomatic \) realize i'm fighting occam 's razor argument , 'll try explain feel mind necessary firstly , i'm impressed ability algorithms 're great solving problems method worked , working method specific example , like solve numerical \( simple sums insert answers type , hard ones \) efficiency , need figure variety tricks , know program computer puzzles , work tricks , program computer , course , trick , write program uncovered , far see , trick still form discovered mean ideas ever already pre programmed brains \? somewhat unlikely , given brains ultimately encoded 46 worth genetic material , much n't used one way around bring environment equation , \( , far see \) still air 'if see object x , perform action , ' n't seem get anywhere algorithm anticipate might see , conclusions draw 's experience problem algorithms instability many algorithms survive take large portion code , yet people survive strokes without going completely haywire \( side effects , patients still seem remarkably stable \) also , neurons perfectly healthy people dying alarming rate algorithm survive randomly corrupt various bits 's code \? next problem sticky question colour \? \( replace sensation choice \) presumably , viewpoint 's product kind chemical reaction usual products reaction energy different chemicals colour mixture \? , computer wo n't see colour , chemistry different algorithm sees colour selective advantage equivalent n't \? n't , outputs algorithm ought equivalent circumstances see colour \? however , view actually minds able act observers , feel pain pleasure issue commands better brain \? moreover , interactions occur \? bit idle speculation remember correctly , quantum mechanics consists wavefunction , two processes acting first process called \( \) , governed 's equation well known second process , called various things 'state vector \( 'r' \) , mysterious usually said occur takes place , although nobody seems know precisely occurs occur , effect r abruptly change wavefunction r interaction wavefunction else , ' shall call x ' seems reasonable assume something causes r , although something might wavefunction \( case , part x simply wavefunction note , though , 'd need u explain r \) anyway , i'm speculating minds would part x seems link consciousness r , never see linear anything , although alternative explainations 've idea brain supposed access part x , since speculation , wo n't matter much \) main point might place minds physics 'll go back nice padded cell , 's ok \) petri kevin anthoney kax cs nott ac uk n't believe anything read sig files
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization stratus computer , inc lines 48 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article 1993apr23 7011 starbase trincoll edu , \( \) writes go hell i'm government following fanatic sweeping generalizations evince ignorance supposed \? let \? 're sitting home reading good book neighbors think 're quiet , upstanding citizen random person anonymously calls authorities tells beat children , sleep neighbor , bunch nasty 50mm machine guns supposed \? fuck fuck atf , 've done right first time ah , see 're supposed send 100 men horse trailers automatic weapons , storm onto roof , throw grenades house warning , noise torture telling national news media month filthy son bitch , 're supposed gas knock house around bit manage collapse , cause fire , something equally conclusive hope neighbors n't least none might craving seat cheap dramatic local entertainment someone else 's expense maybe even particularly expense least wo n't read rights , joe obviously use anyway joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
poram ihlpb att com subject deuterocanonicals , esp sirach organization lines 86 article may 7 01 09 00 1993 athos rutgers edu revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) writes dave davis \( ddavis cass ma02 bull com \) wrote lots deleted , generally agree inherently defensible argument inclusion exclusion books think everyone would agree principles cannot consistently applied useful principles , exclude \( accord authority scripture \) would appear require reasons might reasons \? lets talk principles accept god sets standards ought included scripture ask 1 authoritative \? 2 prophetic \? 3 authentic \? 4 dynamic \? 5 received , collected , read used \? counts , apocrapha falls short glory god quote unger 's bible dictionary apocrapha 1 abound historical geographical inaccuracies anachronisms 2 teach doctrines false foster practices variance sacred scripture 3 resort literary types display subject matter styling keeping sacred scripture 4 lack distinctive elements give genuine scripture divine character , prophetic power poetic religious feeling interim conclusion protestant exclusion \( least one \) writings one one hears often excluded reformation , appears reason many people continue exclude problem argument lies assumption hebrew canon included apocrapha first place , n't sixteenth century luther co threw jewish council mentioned previously n't accept , reformation protestants good historical precedence actions jerome translated apocrapha protest , literally dead included catholic canon simple fact protestant exclusion , roman inclusion , orthodox inclusion still books , definition closed canon decision community faith standard collection scripture shall community traditions men whether one considers problem depends community happens , accept define authority within personally believe concept closed canon , whether catholic , protestant , orthodox one developed rather late history church , served church well view words warn everyone hears words prophecy book anyone adds anything , god add plagues described book anyone takes away book prophecy , god take away share tree life holy city \( rev 22 18 9 \) surely sets standard man made traditions also noteworthy consider jesus' attitude argument pharisees ot canon \( john 10 31 6 \) , explained followers road emmaus law , prophets psalms referred ot division scripture \( luke 24 44 \) , well luke 11 51 taking genesis chronicles \( jewish order would say genesis malachi \) scripture see dr lee macdonald 's formation christian biblical canon \( abingdon , 1988 \) clear faithful examination origins issues canon familiar book arguments might like consider found chapter 3 josh mcdowell 's evidence demands verdict barney resson many shall run fro , knowledge shall increase \( daniel \)
cs rmit oz au \( glenn jayaputera \) subject windows 3 1 help ! organization rmit department computer science lines 11 funny yet confusing problem using within win 3 1 everytime close dos box , operation get affected \( normally file transfer \) however , open close windows program everything seems running smoothly file transfer operation get affected close dos box somebody please gimme pointers going fix \? \? thanks advance glenn jayaputera
list applelink apple com \( list , \) subject modal dialog organization internet lines 37 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu hi , lots problems using xview \( libraries release 3 2 \) order following want create modal dialog block program flow \( dialog , ala macintosh \) , notice panel , text item , list item , xview objects modal dialog also must allows timer called \( notice n't \? \) problems using xv window loop functions xview objects dont work \( list item \) , timers n't called notify dispatch explicit problem never attempt direct within callback routine say xview programming manual \( third edition \) page 486 \( know number ! ! ! \) need inside callback routine ! help , please ! ! ! thanks advance , p please , send replay directly address \( n't direct access internet \) list p p za dei , 10 fax \( 050 \) email address list applelink apple com beware address shared many users , put word start subject field follow real subject thanks
guykuo carson u washington edu \( guy kuo \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? article shelley organization university washington lines 4 nntp posting host carson u washington edu 've turned monitor cpu running many times time wonder cpu directly hooking high current draw lines running put substantial spike power line \? could one possibly lose data damage equipment \?
jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) subject israel apartheid state \? organization statistics , pure applied mathematics , university adelaide lines 29 article 1993may12 das harvard edu adam endor uucp \( adam shostack \) writes article 2703 spam maths adelaide edu au jaskew spam maths adelaide edu au \( joseph askew \) writes question individuals standing party puts arab cabinet post arab rejected position given jew party talking power racism necessarily shai points , political appointments based power also based favors owed , coalition building , deal making actually sure understood said several occasions minor party put arab cabinet position major party \( labour case \) agreed minor party many seats party arab one acceptable major party insists minor party jew owed , deals done , settled remains exactly going sit cabinet party gets seat wants arab acceptable racism nothing politics joseph askew joseph askew , gauche proud autumn stillness , see pleiades , jaskew spam maths adelaide edu remote thorny deserts , fell grief disclaimer \? sue , see care north tents , sky must end somwhere , actually , rather like brenda beyond pale , river murmurs
jks2x holmes acc virginia edu \( jason k schechner \) subject foot switches guitar organization university virginia lines 17 've got 2 foot switches sale appear designed studio use \( ie 're well built \) 1 diameter , 6' cord 'd like 15 , 'd also like sell , make offer also bought new guitar need sell one others 's kramer passive emg pickups \( 2 single , one double \) pickups sound great quiet 'd like get 250 jason settle , raise family join pta , buy sensible shoes , chevrolet party 'till 're broke drag away 's ok al yankovic
organization university illinois chicago , academic computer center uicvm uic edu subject saturn extended warranty distribution world shelley u washington edu lines 12 agree gaia even though saturn proved reliable car far , little money spent worth peace mind opinion , getting warranty enough case , 's cause anything needed repairing interior \( sunroof , windows , doors , etc \) could n't want mess engine plus think extra 3 years 24 hour roadside assistance must opted 5 year plan 375 thomas
subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks kmcvay oneb almanac bc ca \( ken mcvay \) organization old frog 's almanac lines 45 article boi hp com boi hp com \( jeff \) writes hear thermal imaging \? n't heard yet \( doubt , i'm looking sources \) reported canadian papers thursday , 22 april think source upi , n't recall certain seems kind info , could broadcast would resolve \( least help resolve \) alot doubt people 's minds personally , way \( fbi batf reno etc \) claiming sorts things without offering one shred proof \( good word \) suspicious picture worth thousand words understand least two goverment investigations ordered , may learn hearings sincerely hope right turns \( indisputable proof broadcast across land \) government groups nothing fire see proof , think likely tank knock lantern koresh place evidence seen tank crashing front wall , withdrawing , seconds later flames seen \( first flames video \) erupting spot coincidence \? perhaps tough call without investigation , thermal imaging story holds , think government course , paranoia fans wo n't believe results anyway , \? proof exists , government publish put speculation rest hear , hear ! 'd also like see autopsy reports confirm news reports multiple victims found shot \( head \) , positions inconsistent fire victims simply early draw conclusions either way nasty incident , tend believe government side old frog 's almanac salute old frog hisse'f , ryugen fisher \( 604 \) 245 3205 \( v32 \) \( 604 \) 245 4366 \( 2400x4 \) sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith , british columbia , canada serving central vancouver island public access usenet internet mail home holocaust almanac
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject rob lanphier organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 23 article 1993apr22 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote hope brian look see ramifications truck coming towards hope brian want step way fear , though , brian instead choose glue middle highway , certainly get run chooses , chooses , nothing beyond change mind choice moment , brian n't gotten even far still point want look sure moves eyeball appease , head turn around see entire picture far satisfied glimpse mountains distance problem imagine inside huge wall , unable see reality clearly case relativity plays big role concerning looking opposite frames reality cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject moral relativism agree \? \( 2000 etc \) organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 111 frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes got one similarly , moral relativist judge one moral syste better another every possible circumstance , however , preclude judging one moral system better specific set circumstances preclude set moral relativists collectively judging moral system , set circumstances agree k , makes sense \( i'm serious , 've explained something never understood \) grins , suppose almost agree set circumstances called reality \? live happily ever \) seriously , agreed circumstances 're , suspect 'd agree best course action unfortunately , confidence situation ever arise us think 's big god sky , n't think 've chosen god , others disagree think infallible , others think otherwise disagreements circumstances , 's little hope everyone agreeing say , practical intents purposes , frame reference thus good , n't approximately objective , way usually expect speeding bullet outrun snail \? yes think , example , small number people would hold 's frame reference gassing six million jews good 's probably close objective moral value 've encountered life far example , hear bomb crowded area , n't rather sensible first guess immoral act , even though conceivably might tail end case would justify \? well , think example 's poor bomb 's iraq , example , dropped american plane , many people would hold moral act weasel word use describe frame reference , n't objective reality values \? i'm sorry , ca n't parse objective reality values could tr \? objective reality values values real even face disagreement still n't quite see 're trying say assume values mean moral values , yes \? case , mean real \? real moral value , opposed unreal one \? mean say values real horses , whatever understand horse real pretty much mean value real hmm moral values perceptible physical presence \? saying moral systems better others , opinion , get infinite regress sorry , way infinite regress \? looks extremely finite meant 's never opinion right , chain ends right buck stops 's infinite regress 've clarified understanding supermajority relativists agree thus wrong almost frames reference , 're saying something practical intents purposes different i'm saying right key point , however , moral issues get 99 9 people agree outcome frames reference \( agree frames reference \) get justification saying moral system terrorist inferior man peace sorry , 's provide justification asserting moral system terrorist inferior man peace ca n't provide justification works possible circumstances logically possible , actually possible \? ca n't manage either killing hitler using car bomb would terrorist act , admit could n't exactly condemn although tricky philosophical issues hindsight mean , stretching possible include events atoms terminal switching places terminal turns upside , think likely circumstances arise terrorism superior peace think circumstances already arisen terrorism would better peace better terms numbers innocent people killed assuming successful terrorism , course mathew
phoenix oulu fi \( petri \) subject bmp format mean \? organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 30 michael panayiotakis \( louray seas gwu edu \) wrote article robertsa unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie \( andrew l roberts \) writes exactly windows bitmap format look like \? mean , data stored width , height , colours , bitmap data \? could n't find anything ths user manual , reference material would give information \? well , guess goes true meaning bit map , holds \( x , , c \) x pixel number th ex direction , pixel number dir , c colour come fellows ! format quite plainly explained manuals 's programmer 's reference , volume 3 messages , structures , macros \( msc dev kit 3 1 , also borland 's manuals \) pages 232 241 \( depending need \) first bitmapfileheader struct contains bitmapinfoheader rgbquad bitmap data also example among example files \( ms sdk \) hope helps yes , prior knowledge nothing dangerous dragons , totally harmless opinion kicking might right way test shut run ! sunrise oulu fi phoenix oulu fi oulu fi 's possible opinions , must mine
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 25 article markp elvis wri com markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) writes atoms objective n't even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model describes certain physical , observable properties surroundings subjective , 's ! sorry , jim , idea theory explaining myriad distinctly different observations merely model sensible people accept phobia objective reality notwithstanding point real one waste time reality might one wants predictions questions atoms something else making measurements indicate atoms necessary system one write new theory existence everytime new models used physics n't forget prove last sentence , namely sensible n't accept benedikt
uxa cso uiuc edu \( underdog \) subject \? organization university illinois urbana lines 15 anyone tell call left handed pitchers \? also story term originated thanks ! ! go cubs ! prediction finish 500 year without winning east
mongwa acsu buffalo edu \( kan mongwa \) subject windows nt und x windows \? nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu organization ub lines 23 article 1993apr29 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) writes 1993apr26 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de \( hein \) writes sure whether right area , anybody know whether windows nt include x windows server run x window applications remotely \? , could add information 'non say instance source information thanks kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu suny buffalo bitnet ubvms humpty dumpty electrical engineering ubvm
asbestos nwu edu \( michael atkinson \) subject sale evanston , il one car originator chaos merle acns nwu edu nntp posting host acns nwu edu organization chaos lines 13 sale 1981 oldsmobile omega four door gray , power windows , power steering , power brakes , remote trunk release starts reliably runs well , needs work 400 obo details , email \( 708 \) 864 michael atkinson try , dew asbestos nwu edu libertarian nra member
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject f cus health big secret nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 40 demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes harelb math cornell edu writes matter logic government run systems inefficient , fact highly private sector system us vastly inefficient therefore irrelevant proof entire private sector vastly inefficient \? good point , brett might merely proof basic health care markets operate differently , certain private sector ca n't handle well \( like armies vs \) respect , effects american society vs canadian european society might also different , example , relevance blue cross massachusetts employs people , employed canada 's health programs , insure 10 times many people blue cross government health insurance provider good point blue cross u quite convoluted compared canadian german insurance funds , minimal organization coordinate anything , bureaucracy needs built canada combat fraud , americans crossing border individually use insurance cards borrowed friends relatives using phony domestic addresses , fraud rings stealing blocks private practices recording insurance account numbers , public insurance private insurance , never bothered assumption honour system gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days nntp posting host starman convex com organization convex computer corporation , richardson , tx , usa distribution na x disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines 21 access digex net prb access digex net \( pat \) writes different would contamination threat small manuevering tug shuttle 's oms engines \? \? \? \? \? \? aperture door shut reboost using shuttle means someone nearby pry door open stick figured , goldin wants really , prove faster , cheaper better , whiz kids slap together expendable space manuevering tug , use boost 's clear whiz kids running show case 's prudent stick slapped together explosive device end billion dollar asset 'd like see \( might say shuttle slapped together explosive device , least 's testing \)
neal magpie linknet com \( neal \) subject violence organization manes associates , nyc distribution usa x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 11 person sees front home garbage person removes trash , sweeps sidewalk next door person approaches two neighbors talks cleaning front homes , would good living conditions , neighborhood 's nothing wrong holding neighbors accountable actions basis viable , safe community regards , neal
georgian tigger jvnc net \( ops mgr \) subject informix \( dos os 2 \) sale reply lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu organization jvncnet lines 20 originator ens tigger jvnc net nntp posting host tigger jvnc net sale informix graphic spreadsheet version 1 1 runs windows network ready 5 25 distribution brand new , unopened 150 shipping included email queries , responses , flames lee lee polarsun rna rockefeller edu
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject wiretapping reality today organization dsi uscrpac lines 24 messages seem reflect view government listening everything one hide one 's clipper messages somehow non escrowed crypto goes away little perspective might order number court ordered wire taps pretty low law enforcement present pretty good evidence get even limited number authorizations thus overwhelming majority conversations neither tapped recorded government , happen \) pretty good reason , evidence b \) use highest priority pretty good reasons though system may imperfect , long way horror stories seem believe anticipate david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
alexander samuel mcdiarmid am2o andrew cmu edu subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) organization sophomore , mechanical engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 48 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu reply news claremont edu origional bit missing long short follows origional poster asked could use old vga svga monitor centris \( hence title \) answer ot question unqualified yes use old vga svga monitor centris need adaptor \( use mac vga q james engineering \( 510 \) 525 7350 \) run two machines adaptor mentioned convert centris three row vga svga 25 \( \? \) pin adaptor monitor , special interest disclaimer answer correct using vga monitor 600x400 resolution monitor sync horizontal adaptor allow choose 800x600 resolution \( prefer 1604s \) question matching adaptors sync rates would advocate calling james engineering seem clue comment person said n't bother calling apple treat like idiot totally untrue apple treat like f king idiot even considering going third party want treatment wants pay support line \( supposedly one \) still fu clue personal experience also tech vga monitor makers n't see extend macs \( sony , magnavox \) addition find info call dealers unless find sync rates elsewhere ads like hardware fits \( \( \( ! \) rate monitor resolutions give favorable rating \( usually means get use specialized application video card \) \( e well get resolution 5 , 9 super sock monitor let display two full pages side side need reasonably priced eater video board 27 , 000 give ultra fast horizontal sync rate six fast three khz vertical \) note sony 1604 least centris 610 built video board using 832x624 adaptor , inch sides image adjusting horizontal width favorably possible using 800x600 adaptor reduced half inch
rpicas porto inescn pt \( rui picas \) subject subscrive organization internet lines 3 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert export lcs mit edu please subscrive rpicas porto inescn pt
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject atheists hell lines 41 summarize questioning someone said would rather spend eternity hell beside god heaven knowing even one man would spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings described horrible hell compared statement jesus' suffering cross order prevent people going hell kenneth engel challenges happen jesus \? n't think , heard lived one day suffering died wages sin paragraph , jesus pay sins , \? wimp admit never liked metaphor jesus paying sins sense many christians accept literal point god understands suffering go , intellectually like watch tv , really understands , feel pain fact manifested jesus' life argue someone history might suffered jesus , think horrible torture crucifixion , think cases betrayal fruitless effort leading worse despair , main point jesus trenches us , everyone , whatever least humanity , whatever least humanity , reconcile existence hell beyond capabilities , n't goal 'd surprised see moderator let one , thankfully moderator surprising seriously want reasonable explanation read must admit description faith explanation , perhaps 's , hopefully 's chris mussack
nak cbnews cb att com \( neil kirby \) subject vfr st11 owners get hidden feature organization keywords lights lines 40 warning warning may cause ! article c61r0b c7 world std com daved world std com \( dave dorfman \) writes enjoying lunch saturday milford nh assortment nedod folks dean cookson \( yes left country , yet \) mentioned wiring diagram vfr750 shows light switch three position switch high beam low beam beams well actual ergonomics switch make appear 2 position switch , sure enough deam expected , balance toggle switch center position high low beams go provides nice light coverage road true st11 vfr750 would expect late model honda standard two position light switch 's make break type switch required , ought high low beams might wee problem use time , bulb tossing great deal heat normal possibly enough shorten 's life span honda crx cage cage really wanted bike wimpy stock lights used run around beams made mucho big difference low beam died nearly simultaneously ! two weeks finding nice use beams replaced lights quartz halogen lights ended problem neil kirby dod nak archie att com bell labs columbus oh usa \( 614 \) 860 think speak might lawyers sense
deaddio ski bellcore com \( michael deaddio \) subject acceleration sensor \? nntp posting host ski bellcore com organization research engineering lines 16 anyone know type acceleration sensor electrical output sort \? would sense acceleration one direction thanx , mike michael deaddio \( mts \) work hard , play hard , bell communication research problem deaddio thumper bellcore com playing hard makes 201 829 5024 working harder mre 2q 260
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject kingdom theology organization university south africa lines 25 recently always understood term kingdom theology mean theology kingdom god , discovered new specialized meaning gather also called dominion theology , belief christians must create form government earth christ come come across anyone believes advocates , told widespread belief usa anyone give information \? questions 1 teaching particular denomination \? , \? 2 start \? 3 particular publications propagate \? 4 organizations propagate \? steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
subject x dos windows calstatela edu \( c lee \) reply calstatela edu distribution world organization cal state university , los angeles nntp posting host mars calstatela edu lines 29 article psg com , pt \( \) writes i'm posting request since last one title i'm looking x server software dos windows 've already seen desqview x xvision would like aware solutions , namely public domain shareware implementations 'd also like know , commercial case , possible problems , incompatibilities , available window managers libraries , etc experiences area please let know c u ! \( e \) mario try linux available internet
hades coos dartmouth edu \( brian v hughes \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? reply hades dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh disclaimer personally , really n't care think speak moderator rec arts comics info lines 11 roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) writes wonder hard would \( e would add cost \) design desktop machines power saver feature built would reduce power consumption automatically machine idle amount time hard design color classic , since 's monitor behaves manner hades
rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( jean \) subject help need 24 bits viewer organization illinois state university keywords 24 bit lines 23 article 1993apr29 labtam labtam oz au graeme labtam labtam oz u \( graeme gill \) writes article seti inria fr , deniaud cartoon inria fr \( gilles deniaud \) writ es hi , i'm looking program able display 24 bits images using sun sparc equipped parallax graphics board running x11 xli , xloadimage imagemagick export lcs mit edu 18 24 0 12 contrib xv 3 0 \( shareware \) supports 24 bit displays , lots improvements earlier versions definitely worth checking \( also export \) jean jean computer science , illinois state university e mail ilstu edu
brendan emh1 army mil \( brendan \) subject problems characters 127 organization internet lines 33 xpert expo lcs mit edu hi , 've read faq , 've fiddled around , still problems getting poor old hp9000 300 let input display characters 127 following xdefaults xterm font adobe courier bold r normal 14 140 75 75 90 iso8859 1 believe correct font selected use xterm set lc ctype environment variable whatever put , tells locale supported \( apparently additional locales defined , least , lib locale n't exist \) get characters 127 print , 'd expect example , alt v produce u leads believe fault lies stty settings , follows speed 9600 baud line 0 undef undef c quit erase h kill k eof min 4 time 0 stop start q crts echo anyway , 've struggled couple weeks , help anyone could offer would greatly appreciated thanks ! brendan
narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply narain uiuc edu organization university illinois urbana lines 26 reddy writes report shows acting finest traditions islamic law die hard people net \( shall remain nameless \) washington government troops sudan involved massacres , kidnapping transporting forced labor libya , according state department document declassified wednesday report compiled u embassy said government forces , particularly arab militias organized popular defense forces , routinely steal women children southern sudan women girls kept wives , others shipped north perform forces labor \( central sudan \) farms , notably libya , said people may claim muslim , actions reported , actually happened , 180 degrees opposite islam stands , , one , condemn nizam arain makes universe \( 217 \) 384 4671 hard comprehend internet narain uiuc edu nothing nextmail narain sumter cso uiuc edu compare
klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 39 hpcc01 corp hp com gharriso hpcc01 corp hp com \( graeme harrison \) writes hpcc01 rec motorcycles xlyx vax5 cit cornell edu 2 48 pm apr 19 , 1993 possible wheelie motorcycle shaft drive \? mike terry '82 virago 've seen 'em , real question , one wheelie lead wing \? , high would front wheel ground \? graeme harrison guy around would early pre fairing wing hannigan would get right ride ways pretty intimidating sight real good guess would n't get away chopping throttle jorg klinger gsxr1100 new arch eng services lost horizons cr500 think umanitoba , man ca embalmer it175 anonymous squidonk
stephen inmos co uk \( stephen \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization inmos limited , bristol , uk lines 40 article 1993apr22 dmu ac uk , cph dmu ac uk \( chris hand \) writes carter ames \( camter28 astro ocis temple edu \) wrote lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? think 's lead gets coated lead oxide battery charged discharged remember advice ancient car manual guide father , use car batteries power garage clock something similar 're car supposed prevent 've idea really works concrete floor connection red herring could stored somewhere could become covered moisture damp air , would short terminals may contribute discharging would reversible thing happens car \( citroen \) damp gets \( us hood \) shorts spark plugs earth wo n't start solution \( car \) clean plug leads spray wd 40 \( moisture repellant \) damp problem , storing well , topic , back days used drive bangers never found wd 40 anything wiping dry cloth think effectiveness wd 40 myth invented guy owns company battery ground may help i'm sure spraying wd 40 would safe since flammable \( high percentage petroleum \) thought chris steve
cleveland freenet edu \( christopher leigh putnam \) subject hot key screen saver \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 15 reply cleveland freenet edu \( christopher leigh putnam \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu hot key windows 3 1 screen saver utility \? , easy way create one \? reason need one dad 's company anal retentive leaving computer information accessed employees allowed walk away computer screen saver kicks \( terribly secure \) also , system manager wo n't let software added another program zip cica different screen saver thanks help chris putnam \( still blue devils lover heart \) baritone star '93 \? \? \?
ps unizh ch \( \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization university zurich , switzerland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 distribution usa lines 10 mike dahmus \( mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com \) wrote yes , lot os 2 2 0 common os 2 1 x written guys however , many things made os 2 2 0 much successful \( win os 2 , workplace shell \) previous versions ibm work win os 2 ibm work \? make laugh writing couple thousands lines code make windows compatible dpmi implementation make rest windows ibm work serge p
gnb baby bby com au \( gregory n bond \) subject death taxes \( give 1 billion reply tffreeba indyvax iupui edu 's message 22 apr 93 16 25 01 0500 nntp posting host baby organization burdett , buckeridge young , melbourne , australia lines 17 article 1993apr22 162501 747 indyvax iupui edu tffreeba indyvax iupui edu writes \? give winning group \( ca n't see one company corp \) 10 , 20 , 50 year moratorium taxes talking bozos ca n't even manage november keep promises taxes made october , expect make \( keep ! \) 50 year promise like \? faith political system much higher mine would n't even begin expect australia , n't corruption like gregory bond gnb bby com au burdett buckeridge young ltd melbourne australia knox 's 386 slick fox sox , knox 's box knox 's box quick plays lots lsl 's sick ! \( apologies john iron bar mackin \)
athena mit edu \( kenneth j \) subject cd 's , games , books sale organization massachusetts institute technology lines 22 nntp posting host 008 5 mit edu following cd 's sale 5 plus shipping body count \( without cop killer \) yo ! mtv \( volume 1 \) skid row \( 1st album \) bryan adams waking neighbours temple dog c c music factory gonna make sweat ibm pc games eye beholder 2 25 pools darkness 18 jet fighter 2 18 books ancient egypt , social history \( retail 26 , sell 8 \) encyclopedia ancient egypt \( hardcover , 283 pages \) 18 encyclopedia physics \( hardcover , 1371 pages , 1990 \) 25 shipping also books games yes , haggle ! e mail offers athena mit edu
talavage sage cc purdue edu \( tom talavage \) subject baseball trivia organization purdue university computing center lines 59 article gap caltech edu ugcs caltech edu \( david \) writes article texdude cs1 bradley edu texdude cs1 bradley edu \( philip allen \) writes holds record career strikeouts playing one team \? holds record career strikeouts rangers \? \( hint nolan ryan n't either \) two pitchers 100 career saves two different teams \? player hit 300 career home runs steal 300 career bases team \? fair peeking baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu 'll post guesses trivia questions posted career k 's one team , 's ryan , perhaps steve carlton way gotta walter johnson washington carlton spent long st louis collect less 700 rangers , hough long time 'd also guess hough due length tenure though suspect bobby witt n't far behind maybe even jenkins snuck close 100 saves department maybe lee smith \( least hundred , maybe enough either cards \) maybe , \? \( nyy sd \) , fingers \( mil , oak \) fingers achieved 100 either mil sd , yes , 'd go guess otherwise thinking reardon better chance 100 min along \( would think \) easily reaching 100 mon n't know homers steals dept gotta willie mays fairly sure 300 steals career article , \( mets trivia \) , could tim leary least losing teams , maybe beating 'em probably seaver koosman fit hmmm leary really good point 'd forgotten well , nothing else , plenty ex met pitchers category could lost teams koosman , leary , , ryan , seaver guess best three guesses would leary , ryan , either seaver koosman thomas talavage purdue university , electrical engineering grad student grad school greatest time one 's life pay spent last 16 years becoming good !
smt 6 ingr com \( joe \) subject software development libs old targa 16 boards organization intergraph lines 17 computer aided visual inspection systems use old targa 16 board set \( 2 cards \) display images color ccd camera color monitor , providing option overlay text crosshair image capture manipulation performed , display would like know still source development libraries would allow embed commands software enable camera , draw , print text , etc 'll glad pay commercially available e mail possible joe cim manager intergraph corporation manufacturing integration huntsville , al 35894
muenchen de subject german keyboard alt gr \? keywords alt gr german keyboard organization leibniz rechenzentrum , muenchen \( germany \) lines 25 hi ppl , running linux 0 trying get german keyboard working already recompiled kernel german keyboard works fine found , german keymap x called xmodmap gr usr lib x11 , ran xmodmap usr lib x11 xmodmap gr first impression good , able get z straight \) 's still little problem ca n't solve however cannot get , bar , brackets curly brackets alt gr key n't seem work tried xev find whether produces event looking keycode \( 113 \) xmodmap found entry mode switch n't ring bell entries keys cannot use seem correct example keycode xx first 2 entries even get first one unmodified key second key shift , 3rd \? \? guess key alt gr n't anybody run similar problems knows solve , help would appreciated cu
v10 syr ge com \( tom \) subject monitors close ac power source ok \? organization computer science , indiana university x status ns x mailer aster x 2 0 \( 360 \) lines 9 new monitor set approximately 3 4 feet ac power enters house fuse box safe monitor , emf emitted ac current eventually affect monitor \? , , damage permanent would degaussing fix \? thanks , tom
monty solomon monty roscom think com subject 72 pin simms , \? reply monty solomon roscom ! monty think com organization proponent distribution na article charnel ecst csuchico edu smedley ecst csuchico edu \( steven medley \) writes looking 8 meg 72 pin simm centris 610 best place purchase one \( stock , shipping , warrenty \) , possible , phone numbers order one soon possible 1st tech corp technology blvd , suite 130 po box austin tx 800 533 512 258 3570 fax 512 258 monty solomon po box framingham , monty roscom think com
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject screw people , crypto hard core hackers spooks organization totally unorganized lines 27 article warlord podge mit edu warlord mit edu \( derek atkins \) writes article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes countries laws importing crypto gear believe u without license scheme wo n't work \( least legally \) countries , including least france u david bzzt ! wrong us crypto import laws 'd sure munitions import laws , could used importation crypto hardware software well firearms \? importing called 'assault use come mind note talk politics guns added newsgroups possible feedback pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) subject long term human missions organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 38 nntp posting host hsc usc edu mike adams suggested discussions long term effects spaceflight human love topic , regulars know , seen henry 's encouraging statement starting talk shall feel community people unique resources deliver world comprehensive book elaborate utility spaceflight fields divergent medical intensive care , agriculture , environmental protection , probably believe general public understands impact spaceflight whole society absence knowledge , see support world 's space effort believe group responsibility communicate amongst , also others print media well orchestrated technically oriented analysis life science variables required support long duration spaceflight \( like long moon mars \) would entertaining educational general public objective effort would compile resources publications accepted scientific technical journals would address major life science area addition , ideas research development could put forward general public ponder allowing general public take part excitement exploration individuals interested willing devote hour per week running literature searches finding journal articles addition , need obtain assistance personnel within halls nasa industry appreciated positive responses date personally eager start project perhaps could start debate regarding best grade viability various technologies application spaceflight ken
lbr holos0 uucp \( len reed \) subject rule book trivia 2 organization holos software , inc lines 45 article 93109 maine maine edu ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes rule 7 09 \( k \) states interference batter runner running last half distance home base first base runs outside three foot line , inside \( left \) foul line , umpire 's judgment , interferes field er taking throw first base key word rule runner n't running baseline 's interfering fielding ball throw fielding throw first catcher opted throw ball batter runner 's head , 's inter sorry , still n't buy 're certainly right runner merely running baseline must interfere play argument constitutes interference certainly cannot infer 've quoted batter runner must hit ball guilty interference n't posted definition interference imo calls one approved ruling go small print rulebook something like approved ruling judgement umpire runner , running left allowed path , caused fielder make bad throw , blocks vision fielder receiving throw , otherwise defensive team 's making play , batter runner shall guilty interference approved ruling runner cannot judged guilty interference unless makes contact fielder hit thrown ball absence approved ruling claim poor rules trivia question since cannot authoritatively answered len reed holos software , inc voice \( 404 \) 496 ext 16 domain lbr holos atl ga usa uucp lbr holos0 uucp
mussack austin ibm com \( christopher mussack \) subject major views trinity lines 20 ca n't someone describe someone 's trinity simple sentences words common meaning \? need kick butt god , need assurance reality truth , pray god father need friend , someone put arm around cry , pray jesus need strength wisdom get difficult situation , pray holy spirit realize probably make people cringe , say \? think doctrine trinity attempt reconcile jesus god distinct god , described bible wonder jesus hindu different wording would chris mussack
astein nysernet org \( alan stein \) subject synagogues , mosques , double standards organization nysernet , inc lines 22 narain ih nxt09 cso uiuc edu \( nizam arain \) writes mark ira kaufman writes perfect example outcry temporary removal 400 men advocated murdering jews destroying state israel , compared deafening silence abusive treatment jews arab countries past 50 years never mind fact people denied right fair trial repeat lie often enough people start believe , eh \? hamas terrorists given opportunity appeal 've chosen , obviously get better propaganda mileage refusing israel also agreed could return immediately , provided agreed stop killing jews refusal speaks alan h stein astein israel nysernet org
hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) subject freedom u reply ab4z virginia edu 's message tue , 27 apr 1993 20 12 52 gmt organization dept computer science , brown university lines 28 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes bull shit reason world ca n't say taking views analogous kkk 's organization wrong reason morality may legislated allow theft , murder , rape allow hateful sppech whose purpose stir anger violence harry actually , 're wrong well kkk allowed march attempts curtail freedom rejected \( actually believe aclu case last year \) morality free country like u yes seems problem even germany laws military soldiers required disobey orders believe orders morally incorrect prohibited canada , germany \( others \? \) pray tell less free us \? 'll post something tj uva uva bashers harry
nyx cs du edu \( vinay rao \) subject perception doctors health care x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept distribution usa lines 124 following article columnist mike royko humorous commentary public 's perception doctors salaries hope find amusing reprinted w permission 's cure stupidity poll doctors' salaries mike royko tribune media services stupidity scale , recent poll doctors' earnings right almost scored perfect brain dead 10 commissioned consumers group called families usa poll tells us majority americans believe doctors make much money pollsters also asked fair income would physicians polled said , oh , 80 , 000 year would ok generous sporting stupid poll stupid \? based resentment envy , two emotions ran hot political campaign still could conduct kind poll group earns 100 , 000 plus get results since majority americans n't make bucks , assume stealing maybe berlin wall came , n't kid karl marx lives 's also stupid n't ask key questions , know much education training takes become physician \? polled said , n't know , disqualified gave wrong answers , dropped good views much doctor earn n't know takes become doctor \? maybe question phrased way much person earn must \( \) get excellent grades fine educational foundation high school order \( b \) accepted good college spend four years taking courses heavy math , physics , chemistry , lab work maintain 3 5 average better , \( c \) spend four years grinding study medical school , third fourth years clinical training , working 80 100 hours week , \( \) spend another year low pay , hard work intern , \( e \) put another three 10 years post graduate training , depending specialty \( f \) maybe wind 100 , 000 debt medical school \( g \) work average 60 hours week , many family doctors putting 70 hours retire fall \? probably guessed , considerably respect doctors law firm clinton clinton , lawyers insurance executives called together america 's health care based doctors contribute society , far useful power happy , ego tripping , program spewing , social probably give us medical plan health clinton 's first budget propaganda works , stupid poll indicates , many americans wrongly believe doctors major cause high medical costs course doctors well compensated americans live longer ever responsible longevity lawyers , congress , guy flipping mcdonald 's \? doctors prolong lives despite become nation self , lard , tv couch ah , something heard president clinton super spouse talk campaign since instead trying turn medical profession , might honest said let us talk medical care one biggest problems problem , fellow american yes , , eating much eating wrong foods many much hooch still away 2 50 pack getting daily exercise fridge microwave couch dope bringing crack babies world filling big city emergency rooms gunshot victims engaging unsafe sex catching deadly disease blaming world finding instant cure habits , doctors , single biggest health problem country anything , amazing docs keep alive long fact , n't understand stand looking day president , call upon stop whining start living cleanly must go get triple cheesy greasy double fries say , truly believe doctors overpaid , another solution n't use 's right n't feel well \? try one spine , needle , rev bubba lay hands upon head declare fit approach chest pains \? sit front mirror , make , , pop couple valves 're going kid \? throw money overpaid buy better car bigger house ever \( paying taxes malpractice insurance ever earn \) \? kid old fashioned way squat survives , go library find book give shots way , anyone ever done poll much pollsters earn \? royko prize winning columnist tribune media services vinay j rao nyx cs du edu
wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) organization john p robarts research institute , london , ontario distribution usa nntp posting host valve heart rri uwo ca lines 8 article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) writes i'm considering switching geico insurance , heard assign specific agent policy claim worried might real pain make claim also heard try get rid accident 've read group geico funded purchasing radar guns police depts \( i'm sure \)
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization university virginia lines 12 changed case interested actually said , never compared israeli treatment palestinians holocaust anyway truth matters forget since everyone started calling anti semitic making comparison never made say nazis n't start holocaust initial actions similar israelis jews stranded polish border since country accepted like arabs stranded border trials , hearing , expulsion based guilt due race
rhi hi \( \) subject disks copy protected lines 60 nntp posting host rhi hi 1993apr26 csus edu kschang sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( kuo sheng \( kasey \) chang \) writes article apr23 yuma acns colostate edu jmiller terra colostate edu \( jeff miller \) writes earlier article kasey chang wrote nothing , read whole suggestion , i'm saying register via mail mailing registration card , company send patch includes info put registration card problem scheme , buy game , want play day mailing card california would probably take week n't say program disabled , \? \( hate ! ! ! ! people take words context \) mean installed , cannot without registering , transfer another machine , sort limitation \( author decide \) , removed program registered \? \? ! ! ! ! ca n't remove , unless register \? gotta joking , right \? happens get demo version program , install , decide n't like register able get rid \? \( hell , , last thing would think ! \) mean , would better make pretty sure , statement effect printed loud clear package ! better way implement mentioned scheme \( imho \) allow anyone install program , register , get additional features enabled could mean one new exe file needed copied , got full version program course anyone free delete remove program whatever time like still , face trouble new exe file around could solved user registering self , get back specially marked \( \) new exe file sort limitations , suggestions limit size data program work , disable saving data , print defects output \( sure mark \) let pop screen appear ca 10 secs program started exited etc must register able remove rhi hi
gwittt alleg edu \( tom gwitt \) subject buffalo sabres organization allegheny college lines 15 article msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) writes ok , buffalo fans red wings fan , amazed sabres beating bruins reason \? grant fuhr mogilny lafontaine \? would like hear since know much sabres two words grant fuhr tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
scott sdd hp com \( scott \) subject ram das \? \? lines 50 ram das \? according brochures , k richard , phd , somehow associated foundation 8 n san pedro road san rafael , ca foundation 524 san ave 203 san , ca speaks publically topics consciousness current events , written books recorded tapes similar subjects care \? wife wants go one lectures asked , said ram das greatest spiritual leader time ! several years ago wife got involved religious cult , went 9 months hell almost ended marriage quit let 's say i'm concerned ram das interest , especially recent religious cult events texas need information solid real know i'm dealing information ram das organizations shown , would interested correspondence please reply via e mail scott sdd hp com thank ! scott dictionary cults use new age , basically hindu orientation headquarters \( written \) lama foundation , identify new age san , new mexico information might read 's books , list \( autobiography \) , dance , mill dealt briefly citation given larson , new book , pp 339 41 assume bob larson , larson 's new book cults 'd warn however whole approach new age controversial sources reference book used , well bob larson , believe satanic new age conspiracy , regard hysterical however least , seems clear christian group clh
chu torreypinesca ncr com \( patrick chu \) subject compositing pictures pc \? organization ncr \( torrey pines development center \) disclaimer posting necessarily reflect opinions ncr lines 16 wondering anyone knows graphics package pc compositing series pictures \? mean compositing , say live video clip \( digitized \) panning around living room , computer generated bird flying around screen want combine two series pictures everywhere bird frames black , want living room picture show yes , realize genlock , genlock , want able manual compositing also 's ok composite one frame time assumed 'd anyway able composite series frames would even better 've looked around n't found pc package perform help , please !
dale adams gateway qm apple com \( dale adams \) subject 72 pin simms q 800 , careful buying organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , ca lines 22 article news cso uiuc edu marty sachs ux1 cso uiuc edu writes purchased mb 72 pin \( 60 ns \) simms quadra 800 chip merchant \( 've satisfied past \) either one alone works , together fail called apple advice told problem composite simms non composite simms used q 800 chip merchant confirmed presently sell composite 72 pin simms , q 800 simms need 60 ns non composite 8 mb simms composite simms , although many \( \? \) 16 mb simms 72 pin simms allow two memory banks per simm , thus permitting use 4 mb dram devices \( ones used 4 mb simms \) used two 4 mb banks one simm ca n't imagine would cheaper build 8 mb simm using 1 mb 4 mb parts reached \( exceeded \) bit bit price parity 1 mb parts time ago 's probably possible build single bank 8 mb simm using 4 mb parts could cause problems q800 i'm sure 'd want , though , dual bank 8 mb simm would cheaper build single bank composite one dale adams
unity ncsu edu \( josip nmi \) subject ibm \? article ncsu 1993apr22 organization ncsu lines 10 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 one monitors appears function ok , anything standard \( cga , ega , vga \) plug gives fuzzy diagonal noise also graphics board apparently 3270 graphic board \( double card 2 8 bit bus connectors , 9 pin female connector picture monitor \) tried plugging two standard avail one connect \( monitor seems relatively high quality , i'm curious \) \? special drivers setup needed ca n't locate jumpers card
mbunix mitre org \( morris \) subject soundblaster irq port settings nntp posting host mbunix mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , lines 42 discussing use irq 7 recent article superior \( mike sprague \) writes number poeple thread already written \( ca n't prove 's true , believe \) , lpt1 actually use irq7 , even though interrupt supposed dedicated lpt1 put little differently irq 7 de facto standard interrupt assigned used printer adapter announce completion activity dos n't monitor irq 7 uses means determine 's time send another byte printer \( \? \) \( hardware \) printer adapters ability disable use irq 7 , usually merely breaking connection isa pin associated driver adapters control irq line tri state driver , programming leave high impedence mode unfortunately , lot adapter cards use drivers \( e , either assert high assert low \) irq lines rather drivers \( assert high , assert low , n't assert anything \) presence card irq line precludes use irq adapter unless physically disconnected jumper \( incidentally , note 's requirement card hold irq line low interrupt desired true would somehow tie unconnected irq lines , certainly n't requirement \) non dos operating systems \( os 2 , nt \( \? \) , various whatever proper plural unix might \) require use irq 7 performance reasons , alas , one cards uses drivers joe morris mitre \( mitre org \)
wiesel elisha cs yale edu \( elisha wiesel \) subject info colonics purification \? organization yale university computer science dept , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host dolphin zoo cs yale edu recently 've come upon body literature promotes colon cleansing vital aid preventive medicine nutrition particular , dr bernard book colon cleansing health longevity title actually escapes , similar claims regular self administered colonics , along certain orally ingested debris agents , immune system significant degree also plugs unique appliance called board , facilitates self administration colonics sells 100 california based company also plugs tox products chemical agents choice include volcanic ash , supposedly electrical charge , powder , anyone knows anything colon cleansing theory , particulars , board related products , 'd interested hear research personal experience article crossposted alt magick issue touches upon fasting cleansing ritual system purification eli ! wiesel cs yale edu elisha wiesel , davenport college '94 yale university ! ! wiesel minerva cis yale edu \( 203 \) 436 1338 school \( 212 \) 371 home !
bnr ca \( \) subject wanted 4 channel multitrack recorder \( cassette preferred \) keywords wanted audio cassette 4 track mixer fostex yamaha reply bnr ca \( \) organization bell northern research ltd lines 10 scratch sce carleton ca writes would like buy 4 channel multitrack recorder would prefer cassette machine made fostex , , yamaha , etc would consider reel reel well write know anything try used sound \( 226 preston near \) music \( near bank street \) used multi tracks listed phone book \( also see yellow pages musical equipment used \)
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject escrow database organization dsi uscrpac lines 41 article 1993apr22 news eng convex com gardner convex com \( steve gardner \) writes article inf netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes waco massacre big brother wiretap chip , tactic fair pernicious nonsense ! way david \? government totally control , whether realize know find painful think old buddy uncle sam evil 's true democracies fallen way knee jerk sheep instinctively trust government helping slide power corrupts david , hard understand \? n't point point implied position waco massacre assertion cum political position according cnn poll , 86 americans think fbi acted properly , majority think done \( tear gas \) lot sooner large majority also believe fbi responsible death victims , koresh \( let 's avoid kind fruitless argument sort n't x 'd , b might 'd \) call big brother chip right proposal discussion , yet clear strong crypto going banned therefore neither justifies tactic fair thus statement nonsense pernicious , tactic lead damaging others see know tone reply , 's nothing personal intended david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
ibm 03 navy mil subject 16550 v 16550a \? \? \? organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu 's difference 16550 uart 16550a uart \? thanks ! bugs ! ! ! ! ! 16550 \( without \) would sometimes get extra characters fifo renders fifo useless get 16550a
freenet carleton ca \( michael clark \) subject video memory reply palm bitnet organization national capital freenet lines 38 hello posted newsgroup recieved moderately helpful response couple issues appreciated much would however like know ther simply information subjects novice graphics programmer subjects 1 \) access extra video memory video board know somwhere standard video bios calls allow 1meg memory board according books info read \( maximum \) using 256k way standard vga cause seen paging \( written assembly , n't know \) written apps hat use mode 13h get speed \? 2 \) vesa standard gives read net offer vesa far coding vesa goes advice cryptic best get public domain info tell mostly plain english vesa calls work biggest gripe number 1 bought graphics books , asked graphics professors , hunted net gopher , archie , asked apps programmers like lock information graphics programming books tell alot algorithm information , always fall short telling really control video bios calls folks , know people know tis stuff , n't written book yet \? please help thanks advance stephen palm palm bitnet \( please send personal replies address , thanks \)
jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) subject stu iii general question reply jhupp shockwave win net \( jeff hupp \) lines 10 people willing trust stu iii \? government \? jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwave win net 9797 medowglen , apt 1807 ad contract programming , novell houston , texas 77042 network design support voice \( 713 \) 780 9419 best govenment n't
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject books sale cheap ! ! ! ! ! distribution usa organization university delaware lines 24 nntp posting host ravel udel edu someone please buy books ! ! ! ! ! asking much ! ! ! ! ! ! make offer probably take ! ! ! ! ! writing good software fortran , graham smith holt handbook kirszner mandell \( copyright 1986 \) 720 page writing guide general chemistry principles modern applications , r petrucci , fourth edition big book ! good condition ! solutions manual chemistry book paperback study guide chemistry book paperback send offers via email 02106 chopin udel edu sam 02106 chopin udel edu
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject mothership flybys cutting costs lines 27 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu organization university alaska fairbanks getting wierd \? okay figure mission specifically pluto large expensive okay launching one probe multiple parts kind liek old principle old cold war days basically mean design mother ship piggy backed probes different missions , namely different planets probe would tied mother ship \( earth case may \) good go mars \( mars mission act either mother ship relay point probes also mother ship would powered \( mars mission \) normal propulsion , also solar sail \( main reason solar sail race see done \? \) sail would get probes needed know asteroid meteor clouds \( \) might get way sail \? \? main ro mother ship idea make send multiple probes mission satellites different places cut costs probes could fly \? \? shall see michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
popineau ese metz fr \( popineau \) subject nfs card organization ecole superieure , de metz , france x posted ese metz fr nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 21 hi , got compatible ethernet card , received copy nfs unfortunately , compatible \( ne2000 \) latest version number nfs \? tackle problem \? thanks help , f popineau e mail popineau ese metz fr popineau loria fr voice mail \( 33 \) 87 74 99 38 surface mail ecole superieure 2 rue f metz cedex 3 france
rdetweil boi hp com \( richard detweiler \) subject cards mailing list update distribution usa organization hewlett packard boise printer division lines 9 wanted let people e mailed possible cardinals mailing list n't able get ok host list someone else \( many thanks bob netherton helpful info dick detweiler
blaine catt ncsu edu \( grey \) subject help formatting nt disk array organization north carolina state university lines 16 northern telecom disk array dated 1987 two drives units cannot get formatted set scsi id 1 software recognizes unit , cannot mount anything use drives array \? help drives possibly newer software i'm using \( fwb 0 1 1 \) greatly appreciated ! grey grey blaine catt ncsu edu smoke pot , dodge draft , cheat eos ncsu edu wife , become president ncsu catt program american dream
clmn ellis uchicago edu \( bill coleman \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem reply clmn midway uchicago edu organization live direct downtown israel lines 26 article eggertj moses mit edu eggertj mit edu writes cases n't really comparable project like freeway requires public hearings , court action , appeals , advance determination restitution , razing moghrabi district east jerusalem happened within hours end hostilities 6 day war residents given two three hours' notice pack find elsewhere chance public hearing , debate , appeal , negotiation anything get die rubble today 's jerusalem post magazine feature story ongoing restoration synagogues jewish quarter author , leah , writes fifty seven synagogues quarter 1948 , destroyed , , says , used donkey building shells , still find really , really hard understand demolition buildings front continues outrage everything much cheaper happens jews \? bill coleman clmn midway uchicago edu
sepinwal mail sas upenn edu \( alan sepinwall \) subject ugliest stance \( ugliest swing \) organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 16 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu article world std com tac world std com \( chan \) writes ugliest swing sure think stance franco ranger wonder bat comes around time hit ball looks bad hey get job done tac ugliest stance time go oscar gamble man would practically front home plate order small strike zone ! \( 's lucky strike zone size n't determined big afro \) i'm outta like vladimir ! alan
bclarke galaxy gov bc ca subject buy first bike , etc organization bc systems corporation lines 19 article inform co nz , inform co nz \( michael \) writes article 1993apr20 galaxy gov bc ca , bclarke galaxy gov bc ca writes lot posts lately wanna buy first bike gsxr zx cbr fzr good bike learn \? etc sure buy 's problem \? small learner 's bikes well , problem might ca n't buy bikes north america \( except gsxr 400 bandit 400 \) bruce clarke b c environment e mail bclarke galaxy gov bc ca
cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) subject organized lobbying cryptography organization stratus computer , software engineering lines 18 distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun sw stratus com article 1r3jgbinn35i eli cs yale edu jgfoot minerva cis yale edu writes perhaps encryption types would defend digitized porn posted encrypted \? issues seperable maintain paraphrase , may agree 're encrypting , defend right encrypt disclaimer opinions expressed , course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m3 2 bkw tel \( 508 \) 460 2783 55 fairbanks boulevard marlborough 01752 1298 fax \( 508 \) 624 7488
prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians nntp posting host giga cs umn edu organization university minnesota , minneapolis , csci dept lines 27 \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) writes muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement last time heard , nazis prided needing body carry politics ideologies statment true , n't think israel would used point muslim neighbor \( palestine \) could allowed \? jewish lobby power strong , said true , would heard could come dare say taking sides ! ! reference 4 page essay local star tribute newspaper putting whole conflict perspective readily admit authority area however , asserted muslims join hands croats nazis persecuting serbs case , past actions way validate legitimize sincerely apologize extent author essay wrong making assertion made maybe , student history may put perspective satya prabhakar
dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) subject kind loving god ! ! reply mlee post royalroads ca 's message thu , 15 apr 1993 20 02 31 gmt organization software engineering institute lines 37 mlee ra royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes laws written israelites , god 's chosen people god expressly set apart rest world israelites direct witness god 's existence disobey god knowing god real would outright denial god therefore immediately punishable remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike sorry late thread , thought god supposed constant never changing reconcile common christian view paragraph \? also , 're 1 reconcile kind loving god ! ! judeo christian view sin one time immediately punishable death \? killing people sinning god 's way showing kindness love \? 2 fact longer admission part made mistake \? 3 living age grace , mean sins , god us eternal hell die , rather killing us immediately \? , eternal damnation example kind loving god ! ! \? curious dave wood
z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu subject head head win os 2 organization stephen f austin state university lines 15 hearing endless debate \( read name calling \) os better , dos windows os 2 finally enought play couple different operating systems , decided put two products head head test , many fellow suggested , however , desire whatsoever use version os 2 wont really says \( e run windows apps \) os 2 2 0 2 1 run windows apps 386 mode , something larger windows apps require , os 2 2 2 , supposed beta test , supposed heard os 2 2 2 beta available via ftp , wondering anyone knew obtain copy would appreciate information , would like , , establish best os needs robbie z shererrg sfasu edu
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject mars exploration lecture organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov keywords mars , jpl news software vax vms vnews 1 41 aiaa san gabriel valley section sponsoring following lecture mars exploration jet propulsion lab admission free open public next frontier challenge mars exploration date may 6 , 1993 time 6 00pm 8 30 pm location von auditorium jet propulsion lab 4800 oak grove drive pasadena , california following five speakers featured science fiction perspective tom science fiction writer mars observer dr arden project scientist , mars observer jpl mars '94 dr arthur l lane instrument manager , mars '94 jpl mars environmental survey \( mesur \) richard cook mission designer jpl manned mission mars dr robert senior engineer , martin marietta astronautics information , contact aiaa 800 683 mark leon 310 332 1098 ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
vaxc stevens tech edu subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? lines 21 organization stevens institute technology article 1993apr26 socrates umd edu , johng socrates umd edu \( john gustafson \) writes ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? may tease sub thread discussion \? please tell remove stickers new houses' appliances outdoor lampposts \? especially , right glass n't something rub stuck labels release death grip glass hard surfaces \? many thanks help john john gustafson johng socrates umd edu try wd 40
organization university maine system ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu subject game length \( braves update ! ! 1993apr20 wvnvms wvnet edu 1993apr20 adobe com netcom com lines 19 umpires required call time player asks time extreme cases , like dust pitcher 's hitter 's eyes , umpire call time batter 20 seconds get situated box receive pitch i'm putting giant clock \( size clock matter \) count 20 seconds pitches minute warm ups think umpires tell hitters go hell step get sign whatever , instruct pitcher pitch goes pitchers umps tell pitch within 20 seconds ball called 's way ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine io20456 maine maine edu
faith world std com \( seth w \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 26 article may 13 02 31 16 1993 1569 geneva rutgers edu djohnson cs ucsd edu \( darin johnson \) writes ok , 's important gay christians \? sex , christianity \? christianity would hope would willing forgo sex completely , order avoid stumbling block others , avoid chance interpretation might wrong , etc \? , \? heterosexuals abstain time \( would nice protestant churches celibate orders show world sex important thing life \) biblical arguments homosexuality weak best , yet christ quite clear obligations poor christians demand celibacy homosexuals walk homeless people ignore pleas help \? christ quite clear obligations poor thought day mat 7 3 thou thy brother 's eye , beam thine eye \? wilt thou say thy brother , let pull thine eye , behold , beam thine eye \? love christ contagious mat 23 27 woe unto , scribes pharisees , hypocrites ! ye like unto , indeed appear beautiful outward , within full dead men 's bones ,
foo pc \( dr foo meng \) subject gain access \? organization foo lines 11 whomever help , doctor , , malaysia recently hooked private home computer email via local telephone company really interested corresponding doctors medical researchers email also hope able subscribe news network medicine someone please tell \? completely new idea vast capabilities email thank attention
pochanay cae wisc edu \( adisak pochanayon \) subject clayton asshole \( already know \) organization college engineering , univ wisconsin madison lines 34 article netcom com netcom com \( roger \) writes adisak pochanayon \( pochanay cae wisc edu \) wrote article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes homosexuals vicious , screwed , often really evil people 've learned quite bit last two years evil , vicious , dishonest , lying scum way describe homosexuals clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! believe clayton full shit could believe anyone biased obviously \? slightest bit open minded , would n't write slanted smears especially generalize entire group people would say case pot calling kettle black ! really pot calling kettle black \? stating person shows continually biased opinion close minded opinion ignored clayton stating group least two million \( 1 \) american citizens evil vicious malicious child molesters 's hypothetical question clayton said something like really stupid \( please n't offended , i'm racist merely using example clayton 's logic \) said read report lot blacks inner cities dropped school , bet would n't support yet claim homosexuals dishonest , evil , lying child molesters without personally single homosexual friend acquaintance 'll sit support god created place bigots 's called hell clayton going burn long time pray find heart christian values learn love gay brothers sisters , anyone much hatred soul never righteous
crackle ! munnari oz au \( name \) subject bertrand russell \( 2nd request \) reply adelaide edu au \( derek abbott \) organization electrical electronic eng , university adelaide lines 4 could guy wrote article bertrand russell resend copy \? sorry , accidently deleted copy forgot name
epcot spdc ti com \( mike \) subject squid \? \( riceburner respect \) nntp posting host epcot organization ti semiconductor process design center lines 20 article 1993apr20 195116 locus com dana lando la locus com \( dana h myers \) writes article c5qqxp ie1 cbmvax cbm commodore com hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com \( jerry hartzler cats \) writes article 1993apr15 192558 3314 icomsim com mmanning icomsim com \( michael manning \) writes duck squids n't wave , return waves ever , even excuse ignoramus , squids everybody chris behanna especially squid squid guy saw back december cool 40 degree morning way work wearing knee length pants , light jacket , gloves , though going considerably slower dod nominal poser squid guy saw yesterday way home similar attire sans jacket \( april texas ya know \) , riding freeway , left hand side \( kinda \) , body turned slightly left brings whole new meaning term poser
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject internet resources nntp posting host prawn sp ph organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england distribution sci lines 31 article 1 cs cmu edu , stk1203 vax003 stockton edu writes taking course entitled exploring science using internet final project , find compendium internet resources dealing science related topic chose astronomy anyway , wondering anyone knew interesting resources internet provide information astronomy , space , nasa , anything like thanks ! keith stk1203 vax003 stockton edu p box stockton state college pomona , new jersey try keyword search gopher using veronica accessing world wide web server also finger csd4 csd uwm edu list internet resources includes 2 3 sites space specific information sure ron baalke told available jpl etc best regards ata \( \) mail dr ata etemadi , laboratory , space atmospheric physics group , imperial college science , technology , medicine , prince road , london sw7 , england internet arpanet earn bitnet atae spva ph ic ac uk ata c ucl ac uk span spva atae atae uucp usenet atae spva ph ic nsfnet relay ac uk
psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject 24 apr 93 god 's promise proverbs 15 4 organization university buffalo lines 7 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu tongue brings healing tree life , deceitful tongue crushes spirit proverbs 15 4 \( niv \)
bnr ca \( rick \) subject abolish selective service nntp posting host organization bell northern research , richardson , tx lines 56 article visser convex convex com visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes dave borden \( borden head cfa harvard edu \) wrote selective service registration abolished start , draft immoral whether agree , n't one , military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally , government us many lists many computers \( irs , social security admistration motor vehicle registries name \) find us needs maintaining yet another list people utter waste money time let 's axe whole department , reduce deficit little bit gridlock talk another relic past selective service system creates jobs investment future america whats wrong \? want \? want jobs created productive supply demand economy \? answer former round people pay build desert answer latter fail see another bureaucracy produces anything need jobs point recovery , economy generated 10 billion jobs since , government step help shutting selective service would cost good jobs ca n't really need involve selective service closely directed manner need selective service involved environmental protection , high speed rail , commuter aircraft , civil rights , national service health care every dollar put selective service get us 10 less spending future really believe think selective service long past due creation cabinet position beyond hope , get back america 's side start part change bill needs support economic stimulus health care reform need devote energies fighting gridlock supporting change get team , evil banished washington time complaint past neccessary remember , bill clinton cares may someday even town meeting city appropriate sort person , phrase questions properly show proper respect awe , might chance ask mr , president question person oh , get sarcastic , right \?
b91926 fnclub fnal gov \( david sachs \) subject 's chime \? organization fermi national accelerator laboratory , batavia il lines 18 distribution usa nntp posting host fnclub fnal gov article 1993apr22 nmt edu , nmt edu \( willie chang \) writes happened classic ii startup , usual powerup tone , chimes \( kinda like \( 1st \) mi \( 1st \) sol \( 1st \) \( 2nd \) 1st c 1st e 1st g 2nd c music scale \) , hanged giving happy mac powerup asked ca n't remember answer 've tried find answer faqs ftp sites avail anyone tell unusual chimes mean \? spurious memory check error \? thanks willie chimes indicate hardware failure type system startup one thing cause chimes cable become bit loose next time power computer , check cables tight
fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) subject space marketing boycott nntp posting host graphics cs nyu edu organization courant institute mathematical sciences lines 132 new york times sunday may 9th week review section report group called space marketing atlanta , georgia planning put one mile wide reflective earth orbiting satelite appear large bright moon carry sort advertising editorial times following tuesday others upset \? feel global boycott anyone involved project would good idea perhaps could made illegal various countries around world \? others agree \? david relevant messages found net webb hks com \( peter webb \) newsgroups sci space subject stopping sky vandals date 13 may 1993 21 17 22 gmt organization hks , inc distribution world n't want see space marketing put orbiting billboards , write , call , tell might also write space marketing reached attn mike lawson public relations dept space marketing 1495 rd , suite 600 , ga \( 404 \) 442 peter webb webb hks com , karlsson sorensen , inc voice 401 727 4200 1080 main st , ri fax 401 727 4208 alternatively , could try find clients tell feel newsgroups sci astro , sci space , sci misc , sci environment , talk environment klaes verga enet dec com \( larry klaes \) subject light pollution \( space ads \) information keywords light pollution , advertisements organization digital equipment corporation date thu , 13 may 1993 20 45 36 gmt dave crawford \( crawford noao edu \) , executive director international dark sky association \( ida \) , sent information write regards proposed billboards sky asked post karen brown center study connecticut avenue , suite 300 washington , c u telephone 202 797 fax 202 265 please note involvement whatsoever csc larry klaes klaes verga enet dec com ! decwrl ! verga enet dec com ! klaes klaes verga dec decwrl enet dec com klaes verga enet dec com uunet uu net universe , nothing ! h g wells ejasa editor , astronomical society atlantic kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov newsgroups sci space subject vandalizing sky date 10 may 93 21 51 11 gmt distribution sci organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted jsc nasa gov f baube tm \( flb flb optiplan fi \) wrote 's roughly akin saying let 's let strip mine grand canyon strip mining boldly go strip mining technology gone , mining means profits , profits mean technological advance ment , advancement means prosperity , pros means happiness , hell grand canyon space advertisement low earth orbit short term order years orbit decays \( higher orbits last longer \) advertisers certainly aware environmental aspects advertising fred 's argument roughly akin saying 's bad cut trees , n't advertise newspapers think , fred picture space billboard large inflatable structure , filled bio foam instead gas space debris orbits , thus cleaning space environment bringing pause refreshes time large drag coefficient , de orbit safely burning within year embedded foam structure small entry vehicle , burn entry contains electronics propulsion system \( may used \) well space science experiments proposed built high school students advertiser sponsored science advertisers buy time billboard , whose surface made tiny mirrors controlled avionics package avionics reconfigure mirrors reflect different messages different parts globe clever programming allows different languages every country orbital night , mirrors turn perpendicular surface , small lights revealed lights spell messages see ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 men planet earth first set foot upon moon july 1969 , came peace mankind
eggertj moses mit edu \( jim eggert x6127 g41 \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem reply jake bony1 bony com 's message tue , 11 may 1993 17 32 27 gmt lines 14 reply eggertj mit edu organization mit lincoln lab group 41 eggertj moses mit edu cbnewsj cb att com bony1 bony com article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes appear referring moshe dayan know evicted jordanians provided something else \? fact , thread indicates squatters land received compensation loss , anyways ! woe jews feel recovering land taken force \( ethnic cleansing remaining jews \) disgusting shameful anyone reference claim arabs moghrabi district squatters \? n't seen books read n't seen opposite , either jim eggertj mit edu \( jim eggert \)
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject risen ! organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 16 reply kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) lord savior david risen ! seen alive ! spread word ! jeez , ca n't get anything straight told wait three days god david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject free energy technology organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 248 important info humbly suggested robert 's fans redirect followups alt fan robert mcelwaine , least consider free energy technology robert e mcelwaine , physicist ninety hundred years ago , everybody knew heavier air machine could possibly fly would violate laws physics experts authorities said example , simon newcomb declared demonstration possible combination known substances , known forms machinery known forms force , united practical machine man shall fly long distances air , seems writer complete possible demonstration physical fact fortunately , smart people wright brothers accept pronouncements final word take airplanes granted , \( except crash \) today , orthodox physicists scientists saying similar things several kinds technologies , using negative terms pseudo science perpetual motion , citing called laws assert energy cannot created destroyed \( 1st law thermodynamics \) always decrease useful energy \( 2nd law thermodynamics \) physicists know certain things , arrogantly declare things cannot done principles impotence common orthodox modern science help cover inconsistencies contradictions orthodox modern theories free energy inventions devices tap seemingly unlimited supply energy universe , burning kind fuel , making perfect solution world wide energy crisis associated pollution , degradation , depletion environment free energy devices probably create energy , rather tap existing natural energy sources various forms induction unlike solar wind devices , need little energy storage capacity , tap much energy needed needed solar energy dis advantage sun often blocked clouds , trees , buildings , earth , reduced haze smog thick atmosphere low altitudes high latitudes likewise , wind speed widely variable often non existent neither solar wind power suitable directly power cars airplanes properly designed free energy devices limitations example , least three u patents \( 3 , 811 , , 3 , 879 , 622 , 4 , 151 , 431 \) far awarded motors run exclusively permanent magnets , seemingly tapping energy circulating earth 's magnetic field first two require feedback network order self running third one , described detail science mechanics magazine , spring 1980 , \( amazing magnet powered motor , , pages 45 48 , 114 117 , front cover \) , requires critical sizes , shapes , orientations , magnets , feedback motor could drive electric generator reversible one 's home , year round , free complete descriptive copies u patents 3 00 u patent office , jefferson davis hwy , arlington , va correct 7 digit patent number required try getting copies article patents via local public university library 's inter library loan dept second type free energy device , \( u patent 3 , 890 , 548 \) , , motor inventor joseph newman see science , 2 10 84 , pages 571 2 , taps electro magnetic energy induction \( 12 cycles per second plus harmonics \) typically circuit serves energy coils energy tapped important total device combine frequency order maximize power output output also increased centering spark gap center' strong u shaped permanent magnet case tesla coil , slipping choke around secondary coil enhance output power earth energy propulsion power systems , john bigelow , 1976 , health research , p box 70 , hill , ca 1930 's , austrian civil engineer named viktor invented partially developed \( german name , \) , analyzing erosion , lack erosion , differently shaped , developing sophisticated mathematical equations explain described book breakthrough new free energy sources , dan davidson , 1977 , water pumped pump logarithmic spiral shaped coil tubing reaches critical velocity water implodes , longer touching inside walls tubing , drives pump , converts pump 's motor electric generator device seems tapping energy earth 's rotation , via , like tornado also neutralize gravity ! fourth type free energy device air \( u patent 2 , 982 , 261 \) , cross diesel engine \( three cylinders compression ratio 27 1 \) rotary engine \( solar planetary gears \) burns fuel , becomes self running driving air compressor engine also generates lot heat , could used heat buildings high torque makes ideal large trucks , preventing slowing climbing hills david also real original inventor automatic transmission , differential , 4 wheel drive crystals may someday used supply energy , shown star trek shows , perhaps inserting one metal capacitor plates bombarding beam particles small radioactive source like used common household smoke detector one energy source mentioned , despite fact fit definition free energy bulgarian born american physicist named joseph invented partially developed atomic fusion reactor calls , uses non radioactive deuterium fuel available nearly unlimited quantities sea water , produce radioactive waste , converted directly electricity \( energy wasting steam turbines \) , constructed small enough power house large enough power city unlike laser fusion read , works , already producing least three watts power every watt put new times \( u version \) , 6 26 78 , pages 32 40 experiments news lately , originally conducted university utah researchers b stanley martin u navy researchers china lake naval weapons center california , direction chemist melvin miles , finally took trouble collect bubbles coming apparatus , analyzed mass techniques , found helium 4 , proves atomic fusion indeed take place , enough explain excess heat generated good indications two called laws thermodynamics absolute example , late physicist dewey b larson developed comprehensive general unified theory physical universe , calls system' , \( describes detail several books nothing motion \( 1979 \) universe motion \( 1984 \) \) , physical universe two distinct halves , material half anti matter half , continuous cycle matter energy passing , heat death predicted laws theory explains universe much better modern orthodox theories , including phenomena orthodox physicists astronomers still scratching heads , self consistent every way free energy devices might tapping energy flow , seemingly converting low quality energy high quality energy also , certain religious organizations teach members physical universe lowest least dozen major levels existence , like parallel universes , analogous tv channels , described books like path masters , dr julian johnson , 1939 , eckankar key secret worlds , sri paul , 1969 example , next level physical universe commonly called long time members groups learned higher worlds report conditions seems plausible energy could flow higher levels physical universe , created boundary , given right configuration matter channel supported many successful laboratory controlled experiments psycho kinesis throughout world , described book psychic discoveries behind iron curtain terms economics , market failed inventors enough money resources fully develop mass produce free energy equipment , conventional energy producer desire ted government needed intervene government intervene , total supply energy resources earth continue decline soon run , prices energy increase , pollution harmful effects \( including , acid rain , smog , radioactive contamination , oil spills , rape land strip mining , etc \) continue increase government subsidize research development free energy inventors universities , subsidize private production \( producers make \) , subsidize consumption low income consumers free energy hardware long range effects government intervention would wide spread profound quantity energy demanded conventional energy producer \( coal mining , oil countries , electric , etc \) would drop near zero , forcing employees seek work elsewhere energy resources \( coal , uranium , oil , gas \) would left ground prices conventional energy supplies would also drop near zero , price free energy equipment would start high drop supply increases \( happened vcr 's , personal computers , etc \) costs producing products require large quantities energy produce would decrease , along prices consumers consumers would able realize opportunity costs paying electric utility bills buying home heating fuel tourism would benefit increase travelers would spend money gasoline cars government tax revenue gasoline fuels would obtained way energy could longer used motive excuse making war many conventional energy producer would go business , society whole , earth 's environment , would benefit greatly people , government serve , rather big corporation bank information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( patents , articles , books \) un altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics , uw ec
acsddc umassd edu subject red sox mailing list query reply acsddc umassd edu organization umass dartmouth , dartmouth , lines 12 article andrew cmu edu , robert ward andrew cmu edu writes friend england looking red sox mailing list know list , could please send mail info \? thank would interested also , one could someone please send info \? dan acsddc umassd edu
jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization ontario hydro research division lines 23 article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu inde7wv rosie uh edu writes another list one felt helpless sitting light 1 2 car lengths behind car , wise suddenly hear screeching tires dart eyes mirrors realize 's flying right behind , panic pop clutch stall bike luckily guy stops foot behind rear wheel understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? 've ever done automatic sitting olds , winter , light , heard screeching behind managed dart left turn lane sliding jetta wound half half parked car beside 've never occasion bike , imagine would even easier , could slip beside car front giving mirrors light give time get clutch smoothly notice trouble , instead waiting screeching 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada
rschnapp metaflow com \( russ \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) keywords paranoia cryptography clipper nntp posting host organization metaflow technologies inc distribution na lines 24 article 1993apr22 134214 18517 rick dgbt doc ca , jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes giant bally ho clipper chip noticed rather disturbing trend e mail posts 've tossing back forth somebody asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple many people want die riot \? new civil war \? everybody jumping screaming , i'm worried people going reach hammers rifles pens paper well , know one person ready kill victim whole topic , please stop copying crap comp org acm please \? russ email netcom ! metaflow ! rschnapp rschnapp metaflow com rschnapp bix com metaflow technologies voice 619 452 fax 619 452 la jolla , california unless specified , i`m speaking !
dfr navy mil \( prof rogers \( eas fac \) \) subject help needed hidden line removal keywords hidden line graphics 3d distribution comp organization u naval academy lines 37 article raynor cs scarolina edu raynor cs scarolina edu \( harold brian raynor \) writes looking information hidden line removal using roberts algorithm something code , pseudo code would especially helpful required class , due monday \( little time implement changes , fast paced class \) notes given class leave lot desired , would vastly appreciate help actually algorithm would nice \( roberts \) main problem two objects intersecting x dimensions , need know lines clip one object appear front another give ftp address filename , even name good book , 'd really appreciate g 'day brian , 'll blunt reasonable explanation roberts algorithm procedural elements computer graphics rogers mcgraw hill book co 1985 go library look also somewhat explanation first edition newman algorithm described runs near linear time luck , dave rogers
ts ecn purdue edu \( thomas \) subject jack morris organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 19 roger maynard 's drivel deleted cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time ca n't stick guy faq stop responding , guys \? last several flame wars pretty much identical could someone collect articles one , simply post entire block whenever tries start one \? 'd simpler roger apparently one embarassing specimens enjoys flames give wants \? oh , roger 're dull dull get new act tom
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject ap journalists arrested waco organization acme products lines 20 article jason ab20 larc nasa gov , jason ab20 larc nasa gov \( jason austin \) writes good way get shot also indication story would n't get cameras film back getting jail oh 'll get back , exposed film \( shortly rodney king episode , woman dayton used camcorder tape police arresting several youths upon noticing , police arrested \( ! \) accidently erased tape yep , 'll get film back allright brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
nigel allen nigel allen canrem com subject alternative fuel vehicles reply nigel allen nigel allen canrem com organization canada remote systems distribution rec lines 48 press release u department energy energy secretary president 's plan alternative fuel vehicles national desk , environment energy reporters contact larry hart u department energy , 202 586 washington , april 21 secretary energy r o'leary today said president clinton 's executive order alternative fuels make federal government driving force behind efforts increase availability alternative fuel vehicles fuel supplies president clinton signed order today , calls federal purchases alternative fuel vehicles numbers next three years least 50 percent higher called energy policy act 1992 president clinton also announced texas land commissioner gary mauro head federal fleet conversion task force advise o'leary implementation executive order delighted working gary mauro make happen , o'leary said land commissioner , gary mauro helped make texas national leader converting state fleet alternative fuels , proponent natural gas vehicles speeches across country task force issue report within 90 days recommending plan schedule implementation department energy us government must lead example option alternative fuels going become practical , affordable choice fleet owners across country , o'leary said increased use produced alternative fuels means reducing pollution creating jobs believe energy efficiency , protecting environment , healthy economy complimentary goals o'leary said plans call department energy coordinate five year purchase plans , help funding extra purchase conversion costs , work encourage development fuel infrastructure needed make fleet conversions practical order , department energy also working states , local governments industry coordinate vehicle purchases encourage manufacturers fuel suppliers make alternative fuel vehicles alternative fuels widely available 30 canada remote systems toronto , ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044
jongsma esseye si com \( ken jongsma \) subject external modem reply jongsma si com organization smiths industries distribution usa lines 12 practical peripherals \( external \) modem sale 's used less 1 year lifetime warranty 've never problem connecting site , something ca n't say third tier modems original box manuals 150 \( firm \) includes shipping anywhere continental us ken ken jongsma smiths industries jongsma si com grand rapids , michigan 1041 compuserve com
acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) subject faith dogma organization macalester college lines 123 article 93apr20 neat cs toronto edu , tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) writes light happened waco , need get something chest sadly understandable faith dogma dangerous yes religion inherently encourages implementation faith dogma , reason , scorn religion fair , really qualify semitic western religions , basically go ahead later anyway expressed notion past christians debated whether christianity leaves room reasoning claimed rationality christianity faith dogma , really evaluated personal level example , one jesus \( presumably \) , probably n't say many things , yet \( seemingly \) billions billions christian sects arisen perhaps one totally dedicated rationalism believes christ pantheism would seem go bible , amazing people come guise personal interpretation philosopher cannot christian philosopher change mind , whereas christian cannot , due nature faith dogma present religion good point quintessential christian sets system values beliefs , work well , every event experience understandable within framework system however , also individual inability \( least without difficulty \) change , important , problem system system one cannot open minded point testing hypotheses basic premise system without destroying whatever faith invested therein , unless course , tests fail words , way would test evaluate without bias responsibility losing retaining system claimed christian , person whose beliefs moment correspond christianity consider person visiting guarding prison prisoner , unless define prisoner simply someone prison define prisoner someone moment prison \? define christian someone moment christian beliefs \? , person free go , prisoner similarly , person constrained faith dogma , christian interesting , , seems basically boil individual nuances \( although always , admit , probably mass oriented divisions appalling \) , becomes irrelevant , unfortunately admit 's word game i'm going dictionary definition religion n 1 concern exists beyond visible world , philosophy operates faith intuition rather reason , '' webster 's let 's go beyond word game n't claim religion causes genocide think humans atheist , would still genocide always humans n't think always humans n't ask real difference people different colored skin , different language , different beliefs granted religion like gun n't kill anybody religion encourages faith dogma although n't directly condemn people , encourages use ``just thinking ``just thinking kills people case people become bullets , religion , gun , merely offers way adequately harm , may bold extend \? sure , religion many good qualities encourages benevolence ok , take bad things like faith , dogma , tradition put good things , like careful reasoning , science result secular humanism would n't nice everyone secular humanist \? please , might even leave god , secular emphasis would cause start thinking , would realize belief god really n't put anyone ahead understanding universe \( ok , i'm poking fun \) also understandable \) course , humans capable thought , 'd still genocide maybe even mass suicide much i'm willing bet todd todd kelley tgk cs toronto edu department computer science university toronto best regards , adam john cooper verily , often laughed weaklings \( 612 \) 696 7521 thought good simply acooper macalstr edu claws
ritvax isc rit edu subject cd 's sale nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu reply ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology distribution usa im student r please reply saying contact ed
todd carson u washington edu \( todd l brooks \) subject laserwriter ls driver article shelley organization university washington lines 6 nntp posting host carson u washington edu heard version 7 2 printer driver apple laserwriter ls heard get driver please email thanks !
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject go hell ! ! ! organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing distribution na lines 32 article cbnewsj cb att com , decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) wrote article 27k portal hq videocart com , dfuller portal hq videocart com \( dave fuller \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu \( \) writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! mean prepared \? \? surrounded thumpers like proven hellish enough i'm even dead yet ! ! well 's prepared got one big beach , gel pack ice things , big coleman cooler 've loaded miller draft \( like miller draft , sue \) , new pair new balance sneakers , sony watchman , couple cheese popcorn n't decided wear yet one wear eternal damnation \? dean kaflowitz dress casual heaven dress code \( black tie self important expression \) n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
eng sun com \( p \) subject serbs get ammunition \? organization sun microsystems , inc lines 7 distribution world reply eng sun com nntp posting host trying follow current conflict former yugoslavia one thing cannot figure serbs croats get weapons , etc \? n't run \? ram
tommc hpcvusj cv hp com \( tom mcfarland \) subject xmtextfield lang bug \( \? \? \? \) nntp posting host hpcvusj cv hp com reply tommc cv hp com organization hewlett packard corvallis lines 40 article news bbn com , swalker bbn com \( susan walker \) writes found situation think bug x motif , i'm hoping really mistake part anyone know anything problem using xmtextfield , setting xmnvalue hardcoded text string \( ascii kanji \) either via xtsetvalues problem xmtextfield displayed , text getting truncated , depending setting environment variables lang \( specifically lc \) set japanese , text gets truncated set english , everything works fine taking default \( please note text done actual application , sample code make things easier \) running motif 1 2 , x11r5 via 01 test program set handle 16 bit kanji characters remembered \( \) prior font resources set japanese fonts n't know matters , dialog box initially created uil problem happen xmtext unfortunately substituting application acceptable alternative \( way much code modified beta ! \) small test program illustrates problem anyone wants best guess either x code motif properly allocating memory japanese , since n't source look guess problem improperly walking string used character count instead byte count oops problem fixed patch included latest periodic patch hp support services tom mcfarland tommc cv hp com
phoenix princeton edu \( amer akhras \) subject cds 4 sale originator news nimaster nntp posting host phoenix princeton edu organization princeton university distribution usa lines 32 please reply following address hani akhras jhuapl edu following discs sale discs postage paid methods silence 8 ppd revenge one true passion 8 ppd voltaire technology western works 1992 8 ppd soul ii soul keep moving \( \) 5 ppd soul ii soul vol ii new decade 8 ppd lee perry hits 8 ppd head music 7 ppd bizzare inc 8 ppd following cassettes sale 2 minimum living box living box 3 cs michael jackson thriller 3 cs olivia newton john physical 3 cs steel pulse greats 3 cs please reply following address hani akhras jhuapl edu
gaetan lord , ecole polytechnique de montreal music mus polymtl ca subject hpgl viewer utilities lines 20 organization ecole polytechnique de montreal hi would like know software , pd , could produce x11 output hpgl file rs 6000 kind software could produce hardcopy postscript thank gaetan lord voice \( 514 \) 340 ! fax \( 514 \) 340 ecole polytechnique de montreal p box station montreal , quebec canada future time travel
marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) subject locking lugnuts tire \? \? organization purdue university distribution usa lines 18 article 1993apr22 1 skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes put locking tires , need tires \? \? john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com bought set 's months back decided add locks could keep new rims n't balance problem yet assume might particular type stock nuts rims balanced new 's speed shop finest setting bal machine , helps zauberer aka travis
koblas netcom com \( david koblas \) subject button 3 popup menus athena widgets organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 15 ok , i'm driven batty trying create popup menus \( ie press , menu appears \) would really like use standard athena classes achieve goal , best attempts cannot get menus come without using menubutton parent widget tree know possible \( \) little , something escaping name david koblas domain koblas netcom com affiliation extra mile consulting phone 47 \( 83 \) quote time little infinity jelly donuts
baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov \( ron baalke \) subject astronauts weightlessness feel like \? keywords weightlessness organization jet propulsion laboratory lines 26 nntp posting host kelvin jpl nasa gov news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr29 morgan com , morgan com \( jerry \) writes want know weightlessness actually feels like example , constant sensation falling \? yes , weightlessness feel like falling may feel strange first , body adjust feeling different sky diving motion sickness astronauts occasionally experience \? body 's reaction strange environment appears induced partly physical discomfort part mental distress people prone others , like people prone get sick roller ride others mental part usually induced lack clear indication way , ie shuttle normally oriented cargo bay pointed towards earth , earth \( ground \) head astronauts 50 astronauts experience form motion sickness , nasa done numerous tests space try see keep number occurances ron baalke baalke kelvin jpl nasa gov jet propulsion lab \) 525 3684 telos aweto new zealand pasadena , ca 91109 part caterpillar part vegetable
towfiq justice uucp \( mark towfiq \) organization towfiq system reply fcrary ucsu colorado edu 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 06 30 24 gmt subject 's next \? mormons jews \? x mailer gnu emacs 18 58 2 2 murdoch acc virginia edu 1993apr20 ucsu colorado edu distribution usa lines 32 tue , 20 apr 1993 06 30 24 gmt , fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) said pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu \( pete yadlowsky \) writes pmy anyway , 've often wondered business followers christ pmy would weapons fc n't christ tell disciples arm selves , shortly fc \? \( believe exact quote along fc lines , something sell buy sword \) purse fc certainly , christ said , fc think come send peace earth came fc send peace sword come set man variance fc father , mother fc matthew 10 34 35 yes , said , sword jesus brought sword word god , divides believe , , even right family mark mark towfiq business urgent towfiq com 1 508 392 \( fax \) towfiq justice medford us 1 617 488 earth one country , mankind citizens
subject seen lobby , us rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) transarc com 1993apr21 163929 21149 eff org transfer stratus com distribution inet organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 23 transfer stratus com cme ellisun sw stratus com \( carl ellison \) writes article 1993apr21 163929 21149 eff org charles gross acg eff org writes nra successful \( among number things \) , drop hat , get congresspersons office flooded postcards , faxes phone calls certainly , way cool internet powers organization , act way , action appropriate n't know , nearly forgotten generate paper mail e mail congress , would written many letters n't written one yet , turns writing paper complicated job , us hooked way cool internet 's mci mail ! \( compuserve also \( tm \) \) intended advertisement really mci mail intended \( according ads \) arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
pjs euclid jpl nasa gov \( peter j scott \) subject microsoft buy xhibition \? \? organization jet propulsion laboratory , nasa caltech lines 8 distribution world reply pjs euclid jpl nasa gov nntp posting host euclid jpl nasa gov well , i'm glad 's plenty nt stuff xhibition want use instead x , want find chances time future may choice news peter scott , nasa jpl caltech brain news questions \? \( pjs euclid jpl nasa gov \)
wally auspex com \( wally bass \) subject disks copy protected organization auspex systems , santa clara lines 22 nntp posting host 144 48 13 2 article sehari 213 cc iastate edu sehari iastate edu \( babak sehari \) writes stuff deleted also , low price afford people make many copy software well , guess say upto 20 copying ok clear mind goal two possible goals \( 1 \) maximizing income program , \( 2 \) minimizing number illegal copies get created accomplishing \( 2 \) n't usually accomplish \( 1 \) vendors concluded copy protection reduces number normal legitimate sales far increase sales virtue changing , hence merely reduces revenue legitimate buyers nowadays \( including \) bad experiences copy protected products \( e g , hard make legitimate backup , new system system upgrade , etc \) , wo n't touch ten foot pole wally bass
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject cruel \( political atheists \? \) organization sgi lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr17 bmerh85 bnr ca , dgraham bmers30 bnr ca \( douglas graham \) writes article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes spent quite bit time wording constitution realise widely held belief america , fact clause cruel unusual punishments , like lot rest , lifted english bill rights according jerry 's absence sacred \( good book , btw \) , great binding law iroquois confederacy also played significant role model u constitution furthermore , apparently marx engels strongly influenced study iroquois society , using prime example successful , , egalitarian , society goes say u u r would well study original document , figure went wrong , try get right next time 's fascinating heard chinese , rather italians , invented pasta jon
rts nwu edu \( ted schreiber \) subject flaky large memory simms 160 's \? nntp posting host mech nwu edu organization mechanical engineering lines 32 last two weeks following problem two 160 's 1 8mb simm 6 mb simm 2 3 months old , bought different vendors installed different people computers begin crashing frequently , locking ultimately memory chimes crashes would almost always occur moved screen sometimes would occur n't even touching computer cases , taking machine apart , taking memory putting back solved problem awhile would comeback , marginally educated guess 's happening larger simms insertion point sort pivot point time begin move possible pressure keyboard something \? anyway , anyone else problem solution somehow could support end simm prevent moving 've problem past 3 weeks replacing 8mb simm although solution please email resp post usefull rest world ted ted schreiber mechanical northwestern university tel 708 491 fax 708 491 email rts nwu edu
east sun com \( paul sun csu supply unit master scheduling \) subject box organization sun microsystems , inc lines 39 distribution world reply east sun com nntp posting host east sun com boston \( 0 \) seattle \( 7 \) boston ab r h bi seattle ab r h bi riles 2b 3 0 0 0 felder lf 4 0 1 1 quintana rf 2 0 0 0 dh 3 0 0 0 greenwell lf 3 0 0 0 ph 1 0 0 0 dawson dh 3 0 0 0 griffey jr cf 4 0 0 0 vaughn 1b 3 0 0 0 rf 3 1 0 0 calderon cf 3 0 0 0 boone 2b 4 2 3 2 cooper 3b 3 0 0 0 martinez 1b 3 1 1 0 john valentin ss 3 0 0 0 blowers 3b 4 1 2 1 pena c 3 0 0 0 valle c 4 1 2 2 vizquel ss 4 1 2 0 totals 26 0 0 0 totals 34 7 11 6 boston 000 000 000 0 seattle 022 102 7 e greenwell dp boston 1 , seattle 1 boston 1 , seattle 6 hr boone \( 1 \) \( hesketh \) sb felder \( 4 \) , blowers \( 1 \) ip h r er bb hr boston hesketh \( l , 2 1 \) 3 6 5 5 2 1 1 quantrill 2 2 3 4 2 1 0 2 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 gr harris 1 0 0 0 1 2 0 k ryan 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 seattle bosio \( w , 1 1 \) 9 0 0 0 2 4 0 hesketh pitched two batters fourth bos dawson , vaughn , john valentin , cooper sea 2 , griffey jr , blowers , boone bb bos riles , quintana sea felder , , martinez umpires hp 1b kaiser 2b johnson 3b mckean 2 12 13 , 604
wcl risc sps mot com \( wayne long \) subject replacement program manager file manager \? organization motorola \( austin , tx \) lines 17 nntp posting host sps mot com yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu \( maw ying yuan \) writes hi , could someone please suggest one better shareware replacements win3 1 's program manager file manager \? ftp site located \? thanks advance e mail response please post response well think many would interested one thank wayne long internet wcl risc sps mot com 6501 william cannon drive west uucp cs texas edu ! oakhill ! risc ! wcl austin , texas 78735 8598 phone \( 512 \) 891 fax 891 3818
vax5 cit cornell edu subject adaptec 1640 scsi mc controller 250 ! ! organization cornell university lines 11 summary adaptec 1640 scsi mc controller 250 ! ! reply vax5 cit cornell edu keywords adaptec 1640 scsi 2 mc busmaster distribution misc forsale i'm selling adaptec 1640 scsi controller card works microchannel machines data transfer rate fast \( get sec scsi hard drive \) , 's relatively slow 100ns ram card 's scsi 2 true bus mastering dma device , goes around 329 bought new i'm including new ez scsi software speedy win 3 1 performance easy configuration i'm selling 225 , 'll pay cod shipping please email directly , either give phone offer , 'll respond mine hope benefit sale microchannel device 's great product !
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 17 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes frank , unless n't realize , involved debate various opinions , entity frame opinion expressed think n't need state dreadful r word , 's sometimes correct say morality objective , \? , could hardly wrong , without dragging word part , say relativism true , 's opinion folk get heated , belief relativism merely matter taste \? \( fair , calm , get impression 's n't care notions objectivity flavour right \? \) frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
jon cps msu edu subject video cards duodock \? organization kbs lab , comp sci dept , mich state university lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host triton cps msu edu x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d17 x xxmessage id triton cps msu edu x xxdate wed , 21 apr 93 14 47 15 gmt got duodock , quite happy except need use dock \) two page grey scale monitor \( apple \) b \) two page color monitor \( apple \) net wisdom vendor video card would preferable \? thanks advance jon jon tele 517 353 ai kbs lab comp sci dept fax 517 336 1061 wells hall office eng bldg michigan state university east lansing , mi 1027 home tele 517 337
sr hp com \( mark \) subject ad said nissan altima best seller \? organization hp sonoma county \( srsd mwtd mid \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 8 lines 21 spiros triantafyllopoulos \( c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \) wrote , n't nissan officially registering car far government paperwork goes , nissan stanza altima , avoid costly lengthy paperwork \? read net ago , someone actually may said 's little stanza logo altima somewhere bought altima \( like much \) yes little stanza logo ever placed trunk altima big silver letters , stanza far left trunk lid see get close car know look inconspicuous fact first clue stanza owners manual called car nissan stanza altima anybody know nissan way \? mark
nyx cs du edu \( \) subject accelerator 4 500 1000 2000 organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 7 deal one , buyer disappear , go market inexpensive accelerator 500 2000 series lucas frances , preferred something like , please offer address nyx cs du edu , reach home 358 0 802
cleveland freenet edu \( mike e romano \) subject drop drawers doctor see organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 11 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu unusual practice doctor also member colony sir , admit rule every poet fool may serve show , every fool poet pope
klinker itd nrl navy mil \( eric klinker \) subject jays' darrin jackson nightmare ! organization naval research laboratory lines 19 give jackson break lost 10 pounds flu traded dj popular player san diego , derek bell faring well clubhouse toronto , matter bad looks still think steal jays perspective team chemistry statistic describe \( sorry \) since many new faces clubhouse think jays still trying find \( insert comment jack morris v clemens ws ring string \) yet first sad see derek go , still anticipating talent beginning last season i'm glad see faring well padres though eric
cui maccs mcmaster ca \( jun cui \) subject respond wm \? keywords ms windows , sdk nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster ca organization department computer science , mcmaster university distribution comp windows ms lines 23 i'm using bc 's objectwindows \( 3 1 \) , trying left button double click message wm combo box codes look like class public public \( , int , word \) \( , , \) virtual void \( msg \) wm first wm void \( msg \) responding message \( selecting item list box \) anything wrong program \? help would appreciated jun talk lord ps 2 ms windows
subject would happen export restrictions violated \? rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu chinet chi il us organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 35 chinet chi il us schneier chinet chi il us \( bruce schneier \) writes article apr23 215306 83257 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu \( douglas craig holland \) writes ok , heard lot talk nsa 's infamous control encryption export itar 's question say develop great new encryption system , want sell software worldwide thought police come say algorithm threat national security permitted export point , kind trouble could get ignored itar sold program international customers anyway \? doug holland would arrested international arms several things itar never tested court concensus appears could arrested international arms \( could , regardless state law , paragraphs suggest would violating law \) goes court , itars could thrown incompatible first amendment court could rule software technical data subject itars court could rule phrase publicly available defined itars would apply , making subject requiring general export license , could prosecuted successfully arms espionage general concensus among lawyers read itars , one first two would occur arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
rpi edu \( william smythe \) subject seen lobby , us nntp posting host rpi edu organization rensselaer polytechnic institute , troy , ny lines 41 article apr22 yuma acns colostate edu ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) writes 1 \) think us afford stamp envelope , cost printing letter 2 \) kind soul would write letter , upload net , everyone could capture , print , snail mail local congressional critter btw i'm working one dear senator congressman president fill blank writing voice strong opposition president clinton 's clipper chip initiative proposal establish secret government designed cryptography chip government key registration standard voice encryption disturbing idea citizens must register secrets government case trying keep secret patently unamerican additionally , press release program strongly implied forms cryptography would banned clipper chip standard place latest attack civil rights deeply disturbing frankly voting issue presidents press release stated plan strikes balance legitimate needs law enforcement citizens right privacy case fact since strong cryptographic equipment criminals , drug dealers terrorists mentioned press release simply use non clipper cryptography meanwhile average citizen may gain protection wiretaps government since government escrowed key derived unit serial number broadcast chip seems like obvious back door nsa law enforcement still nott understand objection key registration , consider way j edgar hoover government officials like would use phone transmit personal details life nsa fbi keys \? well heres letter , didnt spell check since dont know emacs might want bill smythe
cleveland freenet edu \( theodore g benjamin \) subject radio stations organization case western reserve university , cleveland , ohio \( usa \) lines 23 nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu mon apr 19 15 46 40 1993 , greanias texas mitre org \( steve greanias \) wrote cable nights caps n't play , would like tune games anyone list radio stations broadcast games nhl teams \? ones remember offhand kdka 1020 pittsburgh penguins wabc 770 new jersey devils 780 chicago blackhawks \( \? \) 720 detroit redwings 1120 st louis blues flyers 1210 \? 's think ted benjamin go cards ! ! go ! ! msfc nasa gov go blues ! ! go vols ! ! \( 205 \) 544 go ! ! \( 4 line sig cramp one 's art \)
fennell well sf ca us \( michael daniel fennell \) subject circuit boards green \? nntp posting host well sf ca us organization whole earth 'lectronic link , sausalito , ca lines 13 circuit boards green \? material used make goes two names used make circuit boards called fr 4 material used marine industries structural material called g 10 fr 4 g 10 green green solder masking agent basic ingredients clear epoxy resin glass fibers sure specs resin , really curious call \( national electronics manufacturing association \) ciba \( major manufacturer epoxy \) find aside , occasionally mix clear epoxy glass cast small structures experiments proportions glass epoxy g 10 green color
quip eecs umich edu \( dan \) subject new encryption organization university michigan eecs dept , ann arbor lines 13 article netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes psionic wam umd edu , whose name either unfortunate coincidence casts serious doubt bona fides , posts message seems willing take word private firm knows little new encryption algorithm secure contains trapdoors , seemingly government clipper someone please post david sternlight faq alt privacy clipper someone unfamiliar takes seriously starts yet another flame fest \? dan
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject please help point concave polyhedra lines 43 dear netters looking c source code test 3d point lies within concave read articles know two solutions exist parity counting angle ideas pretty simple coding wonder exists public domain source code another \( n't care special cases \) ray casting reported less independent number faces consisting polyhedra special space indexing used \( , et al , 1984 ray casting block model conversion using spatial index computer aided designs 4 , 1984 , 60 65 \) facets polyhedra normal pointing outside polyhedra could done practice \? set consisting polyhedra could ensure normals pointing outside polyhedra \? paper mentioned assumed already case also read standard computer graphics textbook hidden line removal says make rule normal facet pointing toward viewer standing far away polyhedra make sure \? pointers welcome \? queen 's university kingston , ont qucdn queensu ca
hp com \( tony \) subject last v 8 interceptors organization hp mtn view resp lines 9 anyone know kind car mad max used road warrior \? called last v 8 interceptors couldnt tell , chopped thanks
hoyt terminus gatech edu \( kurt hoyt \) subject braves giants organization georgia tech college computing lines 12 cimmeria gatech edu \( thomas miller \) writes anyone else think weekend 's four game series really strange one \? yes strangest series ever watched ending fit perfectly kurt atlanta hoyt cc gatech edu salestech com 652 compuserve com politics greek poli many ugly , blood sucking parasites
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject help adjust tappits distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 20 article jcn lactose rice edu jcn rice edu writes speaking shims , would clearance valves get smaller , e need use thinner shim \? valve seat wear \? tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization partnership america free drug lines 37 brad optilink com \( brad yearwood \) writes article 1993apr22 222016 lehman com , pmetzger snark shearson com \( perry e metzger \) writes obviously n't read information system chips put serial number infomation cypher stream allow identified system rely registering people owning particular phone units proposal , lets accurate objections presume tell read system may rely upon registering people owning particular phone units , necessary know phone units likely used suspected criminal communication obtain unit keys escrow big deal legitimate law enforcement agent legitimate wiretap order , listen line 10 minutes , get serial number , take order go escrow agencies notice criminal using different phone instrument , take still valid wiretap order escrow agency new serial number \( provides opportunities abuse law enforcement , thats discussing right \) oppose clipper , mechanics simple easy understand whole rest article based large series false premises , predicated notion simple act somehow impossible feel free presume tell seem understand mechanics proposal arguing terrorists killing people clipper phones silly pointless lets really would show problem , shall \? perry metzger pmetzger shearson com laissez faire , laissez passer le monde va de lui meme
apryan vax1 tcd ie subject u k see mir evening skies tell friends ! lines 27 nntp posting host vax1 tcd ie organization trinity college dublin lines 27 astronomy space magazine 's uk telephone carries times see russian space station mir visible every evening \( time 9 o'clock midnight \) april 27 may 7 's bright jupiter best two board time watch , tel 0891 88 19 50 \( 48p min peak min times , prediction start weekly message costs \) e mail reports sightings would appreciated give lat long ut \( seconds accuracy possible \) passes bright star \( say brighter mag 3 \) , planet moon moon evening sky also , note somewhere u k mir pass front moon night ! please alert local clubs telephone , general public mir cause quite stir ! tony ryan , astronomy space , new international magazine , available astronomy ireland , p box 2888 , dublin 1 , ireland 6 issues \( one year sub \) uk 10 00 pounds , us 20 surface \( add us 8 airmail \) access visa mastercard accepted \( give number , expiration date , name address \) \( world's largest astro soc per capita unless know better \? 0 033 \) tel 0891 88 1950 \( uk n ireland \) 1550 111 442 \( eire \) cost 48p per min p mir seen right time april 28th , passed jupiter brighter dimmer jupiter \( one highest passes ! \)
in2p3 fr subject france spied u x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 20 young french skeptic , reads \( \) ufo review presence \( p \) , sent following excerpt august 92 issue review \( r g robert galley , french minister defense 1974 , answering ufo wave \) p conceive u could allow send modern crafts foreign territory , hierarchy ignoring \? r g absolutely ! best proof give , time ago , without informing french authorities , u based germany sent plane make photos \( \) followed plane , , landing airport , colonel x got back shots u informed us \( \) important military plant enrichment uranium \( \) kind plane could \? surely sr 71 , planes could follow \( still ca n't \) j
pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi \( pasi petri , , , sig , \) subject hot key switching program manager \? originator pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi nntp posting host kaarne cs tut fi reply pk64380 kaarne cs tut fi organization tampere university technology , dep computer science lines 9 article 1993may15 lth se , knut tts lth se \( \) win 3 1 , one may assign hot keys program items within program manager program manager \? one already , way assign one \? put progman \( \) startup group zi
freenet carleton ca \( steve hui \) subject high mileage audi question organization national capital freenet , ottawa , canada lines 22 question high mileage audi owners interested buying 1989 audi 5500 cdn reason car selling little km \( mi \) car 's owner claims car good condition question reliable audi mileage high \? would worthwhile buy car \? problem areas look \? help would greatly appreciated post responses e mail thanks steve hui
william vos stratus com subject homosexuality issues christianity organization stratus computer , marlboro lines 13 still human n't know , homosexual heterosexual , strive follow jesus world dying needs hear jesus christ gaining entry heaven cannot done without first cleansed blood jesus sin cannot dwell heaven natural laws god converted christianity means baptized holy spirit cannot get heaven good works union holy spirit , man 's behavior change true union desire homosexual fornication homosexuality leave life truly baptized holy spirit 's say n't stumble
e kth se \( borg \) subject need longer filenames lines 32 nntp posting host ohm e kth se reply e kth se \( borg \) organization school ee , royal institute technology , sweden article zephyr grace cri nz , maystonr grace cri nz \( richard \) writes path kth se ! ! pipex ! uunet ! noc near net ! howland reston ans net ! wupost ! waikato ac nz ! comp vuw ac nz ! zephyr grace cri nz ! zephyr grace cri nz ! usenet newsgroups comp os ms windows misc subject need longer filenames message id zephyr grace cri nz maystonr grace cri nz \( richard \) date mon , 26 apr 93 03 24 42 gmt 1 00 sender maystonr grace cri nz references 1993apr19 guinness idbsu edu infoserv com distribution world organization industrial research ltd , new zealand nntp posting host grace cri nz lines 10 article infoserv com infoserv com \( howard mitchell feldman \) writes 1993apr19 guinness idbsu edu , lhighley gozer idbsu edu \( larry paul \) wrote utility let use filenames longer standard 8 3 format yep , 's called os2 ! yep , use type unix , maybe vms , buy mac something want longer filenames documents , heard wordprocessor windows let assign long names files long filenames could seen programs open save dialogs though maybe someone knows wordprocessor \?
tony morgan demon co uk \( tony kidson \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! distribution world organization modem palace reply tony morgan demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 12 let brain dead idiots drive us \? tony tony kidson pgp 2 2 key request voice 44 81 466 5127 morgan towers , cat move e mail \( order \) morgan road , 've take top tony morgan demon co uk bromley , machine tny cix compulink co uk england br1 3qe honda st1100 dod 0801 100024 301 compuserve com
subject power , signal surges home emd ham almanac bc ca distribution world organization robert smits lines 48 clewis ferret ocunix ca \( chris lewis \) writes article rave larc nasa gov kludge grissom larc nasa gov \( sc article drand spinner osf org drand spinner osf org \( doug article randall woof randall informix com \( randall rhea \) wri hams legally run 1500 watts unlikely , however , ham would running kind power car ham rigs possible either 'd need 300 amp alternator amplifier see need slow downgrade , hit push talk button , indeed possible good friend mine running 1 kw pep car yes , second alternator yes , calls rig electronic brake since engine noticeably slows key since knew electronics ham radio , seem remember pep actually 4x real power makes pep actually around 2x \? effective transmitted power also odd , takes account antenna height geometry tv station might advertise \( antenna top cn tower \) like sears hp \) though , 1500 real watts still n't impossible 125 150a 12v alternator , less alternator produces higher voltages 's three horsepower \( taking account \) 'll feel hit key much chris lewis clewis ferret ocunix ca phone canada 613 832 psroff 3 0 info psroff request ferret ocunix ca ferret list ferret request ferret ocunix ca sorta depends drive remember running two channel motorola power supply 40 tubes 1958 poor little 6 v generator heck time , keyed mic night , needed stationary , lights got awful dim n't progress wonderful \? emd ham almanac bc ca \( robert smits ladysmith bc \)
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject christians law \? clarification pe organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 15 article blaze cs jhu edu , arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) wrote article mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu \( darius lecointe \) writes jesus jew , christian christian means someone believes divinity jesus , safe say jesus christian would label rather original christian , pauline christian , though sad original church lost game cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
ii uib \( torgeir veimo \) subject virtual sound keywords virtual sound , surround sound organization institutt informatikk uib norway lines 31 i'm looking algorithms articles virtual sound want following fast source , eg cdrom , several sound sources read , 's defined position attributes , eg direction etc given position direction , sum sound played back function position direction means simulation ears coloring sound relative 's incoming direction done sound source \( think possible lookup table impulse responses several angles relative ear , interpolate impulse function given angle impulse function could convoluted sound source impulse function must changed every time sound source changes position listener changes orientation \) additionally reflection , diffusion absorbtion due environment wich defined could simulated , requires sort sound simulation , kinda like radiosity algorithm someone done written articles implementing system \? please post mail answers comments torgeir veimo studying university bergen i'm gona wave freak flag high ! \( hendrix \) would okay day ! \( police \)
sunil eng sun com \( \) subject honda accord sale organization sun microsystems , inc mt view , ca lines 17 distribution ba reply sunil eng sun com \( \) nntp posting host camilla originator rajaram camilla honda accord sale 4 dr , steel grey , 1984 honda accord miles 5 speed \( manual \) gives around brand new clutch \( installed last month \) original owner fm \( cassette n't work \) , c , cruise control 2500 b runs great reason selling recently purchased new car call raj \( 510 \) 938 5600 , ext 251 \( days \) \( 510 \) 796 \( evenings \) email sunil eng sun com
ucs usl edu \( hebert marc \) subject needed videotaped pc output organization univ southwestern la , lafayette lines 6 i'm need videotaped copy pc \( pd \) program please let know marc dna ucs usl edu
alumni lakeheadu ca subject leafs v wings summary rob sucks ! ! ! organization external relations , lakehead university lines 2 agree ! rob sucks big time thing last night 's game boston buffalo
po cwru edu \( daniel alt \) subject interesting conversion problem organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 13 reply po cwru edu \( daniel alt \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu large \( feet \) file macintosh canvas v2 something need import autocad 12 least disk space intensive way possible \( e eps big problem , since took 1 3 meg encode one page document \) file entirely lines words access networked macs pc 's , ftp anyone suggest might accomplished \? email replies , would , n't read group much thanks advance daniel alt case western reserve university cleveland , oh \( help ! \) n't ulcers i'm carrier ca n't see , n't pretend n't like spreading rumors , else \? n't practice preach i'm kind person preach
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject bonilla reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 68 originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes article 1993apr19 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) writes 1993apr18 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes black players ca n't survive mediocre worse , mcrae chamberlain explained \? nobody 's saying 's hard fast rule point white players likely stick around longer 're mediocre went tb iii made list 10 year 1b negative adjusted batting runs total player rating problems , 's generally far career , imho players played career 1960 considered \( n't done rest yet \) , , , , , , bergman , berry , , blair , , , , bradford , l brown , , cabell , c castillo , , , cline , , coles , collins , , , , gaston , , geronimo , , , black players lot white hispanic hmmm one question differentiate hispanic black \? , people fall categories rafael comes mind 'd fit grouping also \( oops 's 1b although light hitting utility player sorry would qualify , remember correctly \) say black , mean us born black people purposes discussion hispanic players baseball 1947 , one team 50 's signed lots hispanics went better local audience blacks would hispanics stick around blacks \? n't know remember country special racial laws one group one group blacks national history includes huge , long term , global tensions regarding black minority hispanic minority , often discriminated , never object national obsession might also worth subdivide data careers starting 10 year intervals would think prediction would true careers starting 1960 's least true careers starting 1980 's course , 'd also compare total ml racial percentages era question absolutely said , expect effect disappearing certainly exist , talk twg 's without small reason i'm opinion point less valid today 25 years ago , would curious see data well , 's list go ! 'll names go expect 're right , btw roger
dcr mail ast cam ac uk \( derek c richardson \) subject xview 3 0 window positioning problems nntp posting host ioas09 ast cam ac uk reply dcr mail ast cam ac uk organization institute astronomy , cambridge lines 28 n't seem able get window positions reliably xview xv get \( \) function x \( int \) xv get \( frame , xv x \) \( int \) xv get \( frame , xv \) example , set xv x xv 50 , 50 frame comes correct position , top left corner \( size handle \) 50 , 50 xv get \( \) returns 50 , 50 well later xv get \( \) returns 5 , 25 without xv set \( frame , xv \? \) frame fitted around canvas , turns \( measuring screen \) 5 , 25 position first pixel canvas relative frame 's origin gives \? help appreciated ! derek p related subject , way window manager thickness borders puts around frames , etc \? derek c richardson tel \( 0223 \) 337548 x 37501 institute astronomy fax \( 0223 \) 337523 cambridge , u k cb3 0ha e mail dcr mail ast cam ac uk
bjorn b larsen delab sintef \( bjorn b larsen \) subject satanic tounges reply bjorn b larsen delab sintef organization delab lines 63 article may 6 00 34 49 1993 geneva rutgers edu marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) writes citing article may 2 09 50 21 1993 geneva rutgers edu mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) simple test take several people speak one language \( e g chinese , russian , german , english \) let gifted one start speaking toungues audience understand gifted one clearly native language however , gifted one hear speaking language works everytime 8 \) thread si starting get really silly nonsense belong r c really hurts read posts issue chose believe want , allowed define christianity see parts see something see , vice versa , give right play jokes belief ! wonder miracle work , even able collect group people like one describe , see reason miracle really happen god one miracles , humans ! way , least , headed goal , following different paths remember going spend eternity together stand view earth , possibly stand spending eternity together \? tongues question belief wether believe jesus , believe able give gift gifts mentioned bible evidence bible people accept gifts way better others perhaps would believe gifted ones glorifying god rather perhaps 'd witness real miracle maybe people received spiritual gifts interested glorifying glorifying god , n't know case , still suggest gifts faked bible find jesus always miracles said nothing , except father tells perhaps best able live example ! , bjorn mail e mail bjorn b larsen bjorn b larsen delab sintef sintef delab n trondheim tel 47 7 norway fax 47 7
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 35 article horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes \( deletion \) point morals , essence , personal opinions usually \( ideally \) well founded , motivated , nonetheless personal fact real large lot people agree moral question , sometimes even reason , make morals objective makes humans somewhat alike opinions moral question , good evolution social species real large lot \( nice phrase \) people agree football desk , i'm supposed see logical difference two \? perhaps explain difference , since seem see clearly \( rest deleted \) 's fallacy , first time pointed one , never given set morals people agree upon unlike football , conveniently ignore many would agree morality something analogy hold one expect sufficiently many people agree football , give evidence vanishing number disagrees set morals give , evidence , proof proof would evolve testing theory absolute morals competing theories one arguments reiterate never answer objections evidence preacher benedikt
psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? organization university buffalo lines 86 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article 93111 byuvm bitnet , librba byuvm bitnet writes rick anderson writes ra robert , keep making references orthodox belief , saying ra things like held \( cf kermit thread \) ra exact body theology drawing call orthodox \? orthodox compound word comes \( straight , true , right \) \( opinion , doctrine , teaching \) use orthodox refer 'right teaching ' right teaching derived letting god speak us bible reading simple truths scriptures using bible interpret bible ra holds luke meant said meant \? think apparent reading scriptures pertinent luke 23 43 records christ 's promise repentant thief hung adjacent cross truly say , today paradise later christ rose dead ascended heaven \? christ heaven sunday , could repentant thief \? answer lies location paradise jesus died apparently paradise exalted heaven easter day jesus refers middle story rich man lazarus abraham 's bosom , godly beggar lazarus carried angels \( luke 16 19 31 \) thus abraham 's bosom referred place souls redeemed waited till day christ 's resurrection yet lifted heaven may well section hades \( hebrew sheol \) , reserved believers died faith would admitted glorious presence god heaven price redemption actually paid even none would precede presence jesus back glory father doubtless infernal paradise souls jesus repentant thief repaired died friday afternoon sunday , risen christ first appeared mary magdalene \( john 20 17 \) two companions \( matthew 28 9 \) , presumably took glory inhabitants infernal paradise \( including abraham , lazarus , repentant thief \) read ephesians 4 8 concerning christ high , led captivity captive gave gifts unto men verse 9 continues mean also descended lowest parts earth \? e , hades verse 10 adds descended ascended heavens presumably led whole band liberated captives hades \( e , whole population paradise \) glory heaven ra whenever personal interpretation biblical passages ra challenged , response seems one needs merely ra look bible order see truth , ra see biblical things differently \? think characterization faulty whenever questioned , usually give reason see things differently , please , put forward valid difference , discuss seem seeing notion difference one views bible somehow legitimate , except , course , stuff glean put forward contrary view perhaps discussion topic something put forward , without putting forward something else discuss , dismiss put forward giving credence alleged views yet put forward simply contentious ra simply assume one really ra understands \? believe something drawn scripture wrong , please , show scripture wrong simply stating views proof show scripture go robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu
phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) subject , disaster organization generally favor , mostly random distribution na lines 34 article charnel ecst csuchico edu dyoung ecst csuchico edu \( douglas young \) writes face facts love canal , , environmental disaster , even problem times beach tmi acid rain killing trees problem \? would move three mile island \? would imagine cheap property available ! , n't like weather back east however , would bother one bit live equivalent area way , know extra exposure radiation tmi \? naturally occurring catastrophic events disasters destroy property \( ie , , \) usually leave toxic wastes prevent people building lives man made disasters \( oil spills , toxic dumping , radioactive waste \) cause death make area far beyond initial event k , u , tell deaths areas oh , manage find areas , tell percentage total us land area \( hint total waste produced nuclear reactors us safely stored area three fields \) actually people still believe love canal kind environmental disaster weird , eh \? opinions mine , ca n't 'em ! \( 'll rent 'em cheap \)
mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) subject radio electronics free information card nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs , university georgia , athens lines 18 article i5 acsu buffalo edu v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) writes radio electronics free information cards work send general information companies advertise magazine also give sign catalog radio electronics sends company bunch computer printed address labels people circled company 's number company sends whatever wants normally catalog michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
uhura cc rochester edu \( outatime \) subject thoughts vw corrado vr6 keywords vw corrado nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 6 curious people thought vw corrado vr6 \? 's outatime
aiken unity ncsu edu \( wayne nmi aiken \) subject replace dog trust organization ncsu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 18 andrew \( storm cs orst edu \) wrote risk beginning cascade , 'll start possibly cheesy good 'ol shield freedom , considering government past 50 years , perhaps would appropriate 100 debt holy temple mass slack ncsu edu used underwear consumption ! legal tender po box bbs \( 919 \) 782 28 countries ! raleigh , nc warning hoard pennies bob
mach1 wlu ca \( friedman ishay \) subject uva organization wilfrid laurier university lines 14 article 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes things university fun may admit partying go consistently ranked one playboy 's top party schools study kind ranking system used \? ishay
tippu snrc uow edu au \( tippu hassan \) subject jewish muslim relations bosnia organization snrc , university wollongong lines 66 distribution world reply tippu snrc uow edu au nntp posting host sheep snrc uow edu au found soc culture pakistan might interest posting without permission original poster hope doesnt mind lance gay , scripps howard news service sarajevo , bosnia herzegovina land historic hatreds , tiny jewish community serbian shells repay 50 year old debt muslims saved jews holocaust ceresnjes , president jewish community sarajevo , says 1 , 000 jews chose remain sarajevo , rather leave israel , keep feeding center medieval old town district running ceresnjes said partly gratitude muslims hid jews nazi occupation partly keep intact centuries old presence jews living sarajevo guns defending bosnia , fight bosnia keeping people alive , '' ceresnjes said student balkan history , ceresnjes said saw war coming ready plans evacuate children elderly year war erupted last april , ceresnjes said jewish center began stockpiling supplies , ensuring everyone passports arranging places israel europe well prepared , said , five days shooting began first plane left 2 , 000 jews bosnia herzegovina , estimates half left many stayed behind work sarajevo 's downtown synagogue , turned wartime feeding center far given away 380 , 000 meals center , shelled several times along sarajevo , also runs radio station , mail center distributes food packages sent jewish organizations around world muslims jews fighting mideast , jews say 's long tradition cooperation , inter marriage tolerance two communities sarajevo goes back centuries turkish occupation sarajevo 's jews trace ancestry back expulsion roman catholic spain 1492 community numbered 14 , 000 world war ii 10 survived holocaust carried pro nazi croatian ustache yugoslavia many survivors hidden muslim families sharon framingham , usa e mail sharon world std com tippu hassan
mitre org \( mike white \) subject 've lost com4 ! help ! ! ! nntp posting host mac mitre org organization mitre corporation distribution na lines 15 386 clone , internal modem set com4 worked fine upgraded dos 6 0 time reloaded windows 3 1 system ca n't find com4 msd says com4 n , three four comm programs say hardware present similar error message procomm , however , finds modem problem works fine ! curiouser curiouser hints help \? thanks mike mitre org opinions
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject centi milli pedes organization portal system \( tm \) lines 5 remember kid visiting relatives kauai , one things really frightened centipedes 'd told poisonous infrequently one would pop scare heck one came vacuum cleaner seemed like least foot long moving 35 miles hour !
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject cults vs religions \? organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing lines 25 article 7hg aurora engr latech edu , ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) wrote james thomas green \( jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \) wrote conclusion shown essentially logical argument clearly differentiates cult religion challenge anyone produce distinction clear ca n't easily knocked one religion cult stood test time religion cult got co opted people better irrationality peter n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
markp ccu1 aukuni ac nz \( mark perry \) subject iif iig slot \? article ccu1 1993apr23 1065 organization university auckland , new zealand lines 6 seems p pds slot printers \? mark law aukuni ac nz perry , faculty law , auckland university , new zealand
crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de \( christian huebner \) subject last v 8 interceptors \( mad max \) organization technical university munich , germany lines 11 alaska edu writes tony , believe , first , max 's car austrailian built car n't think chopped u unit last v8 mad max based holden \( australia \) holden linked gm \( vauxhall gb \) 're quite unlikely use ford parts chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de
dfs doe carleton ca \( david f skoll \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization dept electronics , carleton university lines 26 \( please note followup \) 1993apr27 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes guys funny 's funny see people lose control start name calling realize point comparing israel nazi germany name calling lowest kind please n't disingenuous civil libertarians would support jews nazis anyone else tries oppress would support arabs israelis oppressive regimes \( iraq etc \) civil libertarians make distinction nazis israel \? would say iraqis like nazis \? make distinctions , injustices equally evil , world completely evil place case , may well give right david f skoll
tut cairo eng sun com \( bill bill \) subject comparing saabs bmw 's summary organization sun microsystems inc , mountain view , ca lines 13 nntp posting host cairo edwards world std com \( jonathan edwards \) writes bmw 's suck snow aggressive snows , plus hundred pounds sand back , still try avoid driving snow happily took saab conditions without worry would say single design flaw bmw reasonable sum , get bmw traction control torque sensing \( limited slip \) rear differential since fwd car , including saab , kind front differential , since would exacerbate torque steer , bmw traction control theoretical advantage snow course weight distribution skinny tires could affect
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 20 perry dsinc com \( jim perry \) writes anyway , since seem one following particular line discussion , wonder many rest readership read book \? thoughts \? bought copy satanic verses talk british government banning 's nothing interests book making illegal however , 's still sitting shelf perhaps 'll get round soon 've still got pile lem , go n't find nearly enough time read fact , far interesting things ever find time anyone ever manages bored beyond n't sleep , maybe could manage mathew atheism anti virus software mind
brian meaddata com \( brian curran \) subject could look organization mead data central , dayton oh lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host taurus meaddata com article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca , mark b writes yes , could look prefer post question net read somewhere long forgotten article used major league umps originally used help deaf ball player name dummy urban myth \? true \? gots ta know true william dummy baseball 's first deaf player played bigs 1888 1903 several teams , including white sox reds brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com 've never coach life find one beat , 'll listen lee , professional
louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) subject windows zip unzip organization george washington university lines 42 article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call ones available one stand amongst rest \? well , got winzip cica \( n't know version , think 's latest , long ago \) , initially 's low winzip great , long unzip lets files , unzip selected files , even puts files checkout directory , creates checkout grp group want check program even prompts deletion exit , like program however \( big however \) problems n't specifics , consistency , sometimes zip files , add file zip , dos violate something , 'll asked \( kind , micro oft kind way \) quit applications , quit windows , restart computer n't know \( said \) consistent , zip much \( , go dos use , use run cmd \) know 's happened added files existing zip file , created new zip file , using selected files n't know 's happened zip entire dir still , rather nice interface , quite useful unzip ing functions fixed , 'll first register new ver \( , good old , run unzip zip work \( ps new ver fixes , please let know \) peace , mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace ! uunet ! seas gwu edu ! louray make ms windows grp file reflect hd directory \? \? well ai n't always right , 've never wrong \( gd \)
maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) subject nhl letter roger 's response organization dept computer science , laurentian university , sudbury , lines 38 netcom com catcher netcom com \( paul w francisco \) writes would n't say letter clearly implies representation views group belong represents subset \( n't belong \) larger group \( , n't moderated group \) bet would n't one belonging moderated group moderated retentive little like look , several ways state opposing viewpoint three come mind follows hardly need presume lecture communicate points view posting made second subject nhl letter yet communicate opinion matter instead content flaming 3 \) say directly result result little busy bodies like take advantage perceived opportunity post rules others live realize anything say , certainly , used well using means going post something significance means go ahead insist otherwise n't go back sleep whatever cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject waco information accuracy organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 14 article crcnis1 unl edu , e p unl edu \( edgar pearlstein \) wrote example fbi report several bodies found rubble bullet wounds local coroner , independent fbi , far found bullet wounds ! according cnn last night \( saturday 4 24 93 \) found bullets two corpses , head \( would indicate bullets aimed killing humans \) cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
cfw world std com \( christopher f wroten \) subject question eisa video board performance keywords eisa , video , performance organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 25 eisa machine understand eisa video cards match performance isa counterparts instance , eisa orchid pro designer iis e fast isa diamond speedstar plus , n't would call fast n't understand eisa video cards n't , group , level performance local bus cards , given eisa video cards 32 bit bus move data around , instead isa 's 8 bits since , would anyone \( included \) pay higher cost eisa video card performance better often worse much cheaper isa video board , diamond speedstar 24x \? pc magazine 's \( think \) recent report , know ati makes pretty fast eisa video card , 's around 500 , double wallet allow spend , 500 , could get diamond viper still 100 left \( course , 'd get local bus mother board \) anyone shed light confusion frustration \? thanks ! christopher wroten , cfw world std com
andrew idacom hp com \( andrew scott \) subject usenet hockey draft winning team \( regular season \) organization idacom , division hewlett packard lines 78 asked post team log year 's winning team regular season draft 'tis begin dave wessels reading team database log team log name team points value bought week sold week trevor linden van 72 72 0 78 8 pre 70 4 10 cliff ronning van 85 85 0 74 6 pre 97 8 6 robert reichel cgy 88 88 0 58 9 pre 51 4 8 pat verbeek hfd 82 82 0 63 0 pre 64 3 7 pat falloon sj 28 28 0 62 7 pre 46 8 7 john maclean nj 48 48 0 55 0 pre 27 5 7 eric lindros phi 75 75 0 55 0 pre 105 0 6 rick tocchet pit 109 109 0 81 2 pre 106 9 9 greg adams van 56 56 0 63 0 pre 93 8 8 mike ricci que 78 78 0 60 3 pre 79 8 6 joe juneau bos 102 102 0 55 0 pre 110 9 6 kevin hatcher wsh 79 79 0 57 4 pre 54 6 6 teemu selanne wpg 132 132 0 55 0 pre 109 2 6 pavel bure van 110 110 0 77 5 pre 108 9 8 dixon ward van 52 52 0 55 0 pre 61 2 7 russ courtnall min 79 79 0 60 7 6 84 6 14 darren turcotte nyr 53 53 0 60 7 6 72 1 14 christian ruuttu chi 54 54 0 61 9 6 52 2 13 petr nedved van 71 71 0 59 3 6 84 5 12 petr klima edm 48 48 0 65 3 6 tony granato la 82 82 0 56 0 6 75 6 12 steve duchesne que 82 82 0 88 7 6 92 2 13 alexander mogilny buf 127 127 0 103 8 6 118 8 14 ray sheppard det 66 66 0 55 0 7 63 0 15 steve larmer chi 70 70 0 64 9 7 79 7 17 vincent damphousse mtl 97 97 0 64 9 7 94 5 15 tony amonte nyr 76 76 0 63 0 7 63 0 16 brendan shanahan stl 94 94 0 55 0 8 corey millen la 39 39 0 55 0 8 48 9 16 johan garpenlov sj 66 66 0 55 0 8 55 9 15 kelly kisio sj 78 78 0 63 0 8 72 3 15 pat elynuik wsh 57 57 0 57 0 9 56 7 16 benoit hogue nyi 75 75 0 61 6 10 74 3 20 pat flatley nyi 60 60 0 55 0 11 59 9 18 rod brind'amour phi 86 86 0 74 1 12 81 0 19 michal pivonka wsh 74 74 0 55 0 12 joe mullen pit 70 70 0 55 0 12 john cullen tor 50 50 0 55 0 13 55 7 19 stephane richer nj 73 73 0 55 0 13 61 8 19 jeff norton nyi 50 50 0 64 0 14 56 3 20 glenn anderson tor 65 65 0 55 0 14 ray bourque bos 82 82 0 65 6 14 bernie nicholls nj 60 60 0 72 8 14 67 8 20 andrew cassels hfd 85 85 0 56 0 14 dmitri kvartalnov bos 72 72 0 82 1 15 tomas sandstrom la 52 52 0 59 7 15 43 6 22 joe sakic que 105 105 0 109 6 15 rob blake la 59 59 0 59 5 16 derek king nyi 76 76 0 68 3 16 70 9 22 michel goulet chi 44 44 0 55 0 16 45 4 23 mike modano min 93 93 0 90 5 17 dmitri khristich wsh 67 67 0 55 0 18 alexander semak nj 79 79 0 62 6 19 nikolai borschevsky tor 74 74 0 69 3 19 mike donnelly la 69 69 0 70 5 19 jeff brown stl 78 78 0 69 1 20 thomas steen wpg 72 72 0 55 0 20 kevin dineen phi 63 63 0 55 5 20 mario lemieux pit 160 160 0 134 9 22 wayne gretzky la 65 65 0 55 0 23 1 9 cash points week 28 , team placed 1 \( 262 teams \) andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom operation \( 403 \) 462 0666 ext 253 roman era , 28 considered old
stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) subject pregnency without sex \? keywords pregnency sex organization university missouri lines 21 master cna tek com mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) writes article \? \? \? \? \? \? write school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? go one wonders american education system shape \? actually , school england biology teacher also told reason stars twinkle small spot light retina sometimes falls light cells info suspect start stephen
julian comp lancs ac uk \( julian g self \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization department computing lancaster university , uk lines 19 n't shareware fee suggestion john \? 's individual make choice whether honour part money personally position would exactly thing , john obviously put lot time effort xv n't receive money pennies worth \( keep good work john \) julian name julian g self phone 44 524 ext email julian comp lancs ac uk fax 44 524 post university lancaster , department computing , engineering building , , lancaster , , , united kingdom
jfh rpp386 \( john f haugh ii \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 reply jfh rpp386 cactus org \( john f haugh ii \) organization river parishes programming , austin tx lines 13 article blake 70 nevada edu blake nevada edu \( rawlin blake \) writes hoping kent state taught us lesson apparently apparently government murder anyone choose still 's right despite claims someone kent state fire shotgun soldiers , projectiles anyone prove sent direction soldiers rocks john f haugh ii pgp 2 1 ! 's ! cs utexas edu ! rpp386 ! jfh bell \( 512 \) 251 dof 17 's jfh rpp386 cactus org
cs cmu edu \( brian noble \) subject x server scanline padding question nntp posting host bach coda cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon lines 4 figured answer lies mit server ddx h brian
kepler unh edu \( dennis w \) subject sa 12 tube power amp organization university new hampshire durham , nh lines 10 distribution usa nntp posting host kepler unh edu sa 12 per channel warm tube sound , great warming cds excellent shape asking 650 thanks tom
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject dealing cults thoughts organization stratus computer , inc lines 33 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article oaf klosters ai mit edu , oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) writes look history rep leo ryan \( staffers \) visited jonestown , request constituents relatives jonestown discovered , even though killed ryan killed , jim jones knew 'd busted way prevent problem would never investigate reports child abuse sexual mistreatment , organizations buying full auto conversion kits shipping hand grenades via ups , chance stumbling across cults would kill , way batf fbi could save people , future cults , ignoring signs line argument provably false texas state officials could investigate child abuse charges could apprehend koresh peaceably could weapons duration koresh convicted note child abuse similar accusations state matters , federal state could handle properly peaceably , furthermore violating one 's constitutional rights process maybe best way batf fbi save people mind fucking business cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
blake nevada edu \( rawlin blake \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 lines 30 nntp posting host virtual nevada edu organization university nevada system computing services article 1993apr21 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) writes whughes lonestar utsa edu \( william w hughes \) subject waco clinton press conference , part 1 date wed , 21 apr 1993 16 06 42 gmt article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) writes predict outcome study went wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives mean n't already \? could fooled remember waco ! government decide murder next \? maybe \? opinions mine n't care blame university state well , seems n't learn lessons history \? hoping kent state taught us lesson apparently apparently government murder anyone choose still rawlin blake blake nevada edu sig good sig
chyang engin umich edu \( chung hsiung yang \) subject seattle bb \( al stats standings \) organization university michigan engineering , ann arbor lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host engin umich edu article senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu \( charles kozierok \) writes article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu \( john franjione \) writes griffey , well , intentional walks sure \? 'd say pitching around likely yeah , maybe likely mariners tigers series , seems like every time base runners , pitchers seem purposely pitch around give free pass funny thing griffey struggling last game four game series remember correctly chung yang cheers , charles
lmsc5 lmsc lockheed com subject candlestick organization lockheed missiles space company , inc lines 40 original article newsgroups rec sport baseball path butch ! netcomsv ! netcom com ! csus edu ! wupost ! uwm edu ! zaphod mps ohio state ed berkeley edu \( sean cunningham \) subject candlestick message id 1993apr21 pasteur berkeley edu sender nntp pasteur berkeley edu \( nntp poster \) nntp posting host berkeley edu organization university california , berkeley date wed , 21 apr 1993 04 16 20 gmt lines 24 hey folks , saw giants play ball 'stick saturday , april 17 game broke scoreless tie ninth two , two run homer right win \( n't game fans threw give away onto field response homer bad , huh \? \) well , 'stick still cold saturday game ended 5 45pm , cold ca n't imagine night games april 'stick wind kicked little , , got idea games , 's pile hot dog wrappers cups trash field lot time propose kid 's clean corps composed mainly 10 12 year old kids would love nothing better run field fifth inning \( guy infield \) grab trash might , age probably would given anything field ballplayers everybody wins ! think \? sean opening day stadium new owners great ! ! ! pick ck anytime giants playing state wish san jose enough balls vote stadium !
bob hobbes dtcc edu \( bob rahe \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization delaware technical community college lines 37 nntp posting host hobbes dtcc edu article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu \( bill green \) writes would like see serious discussion incident believe moves made right proper , still problems tactics watching abc special tonight , well cnn nightline , question atf fbi actions \? 1 \) could possible taken koresh outside compound time feb 28th raid \? yes , think reported seems like cowboy movie style attack needed reason 2 \) could wait resulted different outcome answer probably yes consider worst thing could happened waited \? hint whatever could worse happen one point , i'm fan janet reno , like way balls go ahead take full responsibility seems like waffle boy problems figuring stood issue statement taking full responsibility totally meaningless consequences fully responsible disaster \? note file \? \? slick already called people bunch crazy people dismissed idea resign n't take balls take responsibility hell , rate take full responsibility skin nose bob rahe , delaware tech comm college aids , drugs , abortion internet bob hobbes dtcc edu n't liberals kill \? ci , 525 genie bob rahe save whales kill babies \?
jim rand org \( jim gillogly \) subject ideas clipper organization banzai institute lines 50 nntp posting host mycroft rand org annoyed find guy posted private e mail response , since believe said , 'll defend anyway article andrew cmu edu jb7m andrew cmu edu \( jon c r bennett \) writes jim gillogly jim mycroft rand org writes \( private e mail \) 're betting ca n't e get u given n ca n't right des , even knowing encryption method without almost whole 56 bit search true , chosen plaintext attacks des keys determined without full search almost mean differential cryptanalysis attack chosen plaintext attack requires detailed analysis 2 36 chosen plaintexts drawn total 2 47 need run , understand situation correctly certainly break meaning act , constitute much less work brute force keysearch rest article assumes figure skipjack encryption algorithm e choosing correct data send observe results wish joy , choose try attack defending system , fact offended ideas escrowed keys secret algorithm becoming de facto industry standard however , also object opposing wrong reasons , since case said \( private e mail \) 's clear experts told f fact , 'd surprised 'd expect something form fips pub describing des , could look algorithm general , rather specific set keys chosen oh come , thats like saying could evaluate des without box constants , 's quite different government would percentage choosing f weak key , since 's advantage anybody else know experts could thus assume f worse anything else analysis totally different situation unknown boxes , i'm saying would good satisfactory experts given raw algorithm without rest surrounding details regarding chip protocols simply doubt would given information jim gillogly trewesday , 2 r 1993 , 03 01
anwar mohammed cs cmu edu subject saudi clergy western supporters vs human rights organization carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 158 benali alcor nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply benali alcor ilyess sez would defended saudi arabia rolled back iraqi invasion , charge saudi arabia \? \? \? muslims knew whole thing set destroy iraq , liberate kuwait , people killed invasion \( many many \) , ones killed iraqis smaller invasion lived west , seen media prepared \( helpless naive americans \) war doubt plan exploiting helpless naive americans purposes hmm let 's see iraq even artificial conflict iraq kuwait led invasion , cia correctly predicted \( pretended surprised know \) happened saddam arrogant stupid would done muslims would choose 300 dead kuwaitis 200 , 000 dead iraqis 1000 dead kuwaitis first case would happen western intervention happened , second case direct indirect result western possibly , 200 , 000 iraqis indeed died , number based greenpeace estimates greenpeace compromised alleged war condemning potential environmental consequences allied action , initially completely ignoring iraq 's horrible environmental crimes , starting dumping millions barrels oil gulf ahmadi blowing 700 oil wells real number \? lot work last two years , none reported greenpeace figure seems get continuously bandied real number seems around 10 , 000 , order number kuwaitis killed , tortured occupation 've included article recently posted , really old news independent television news reported figure around 15 , 000 months war , hardly reported allies killed 200 , 000 iraqis , would kill twice total number iraqis kuwait favored image last battle war yet another example american european media playing hands iraq de facto allies destruction iraqi convoy portrayed slaughter simply true head tail convoy bombed initially , resulting lot casualties points bombers came back , rest iraqi soldiers fled foot furthermore , estimates kuwaiti war dead allies n't invaded completely ridiculous acknowledged \( certainly implicitly \) saddam barbarous brute acknowledged hundreds thousands killing country know man appointed governor kuwait , ali , brutal , near genocide kurds late 80 's , recently , yet , comes treatment kuwaitis , angel estimate , would 've killed fewer already war started joke ! 03 09 iraq war dead copyright , 1993 associated press rights reserved nick associated press writer washington \( ap \) persian gulf war ended , world told many 100 , 000 iraqi soldiers killed one point , even baghdad put toll high , u defense intelligence agency private u officials ever since , even though pentagon yet settle official estimate release public , one former dia analyst says number iraqi troops killed may low 1 , 500 conclusion john , writing current issue quarterly magazine foreign policy , represents lowest estimate yet u defense sources revisions suggesting less devastating iraqi toll fit pattern vastly moderated u military claims months war ended claims number u weapons also scaled despite dramatic videotapes successful weaponry shocking pictures iraq 's disastrous retreat kuwait , arguments continued really happened gulf war first question iraqi death toll numbers originally aired year ago , air force lt gen charles horner , commander air campaign gulf war , said believed iraqi military death toll fewer 10 , 000 entire war pentagon still refuses provide estimate number iraqis died 42 day war u led coalition january february 1991 monday , pentagon spokesman lt cmdr joe reiterated past statements n't number , credible current internal estimates range 8 , 000 25 , 000 iraqi troops killed , said one analyst , speaking condition anonymity , familiar pentagon 's reports allied deaths put 146 americans , 35 friendly fire 24 british , 9 american fire 2 , 1 italian 39 among various arab allies , widely publicized army 's reluctant acknowledgement , months later , touted patriot air defense system nowhere near effective claimed iraq 's scud missiles bush administration initially claimed almost perfect record patriot last spring revised hit ratio 60 percent success record navy 's tomahawk high tech cruise missile used targets baghdad parts iraq also turned modest initially indicated pentagon first iraqi casualty figures surface war came may 1991 report environmental group greenpeace , said 100 , 000 120 , 000 iraqi soldiers killed estimated 5 , 000 15 , 000 iraqi civilians also killed month , published reports said defense intelligence agency estimated 100 , 000 iraqi soldiers killed 300 , 000 wounded air ground campaigns although agency qualified saying estimate could much 50 percent either direction information became available , figures gradually revised downward house armed services committee staff estimated 9 , 000 dead 17 , 000 wounded review last year , writing current issue quarterly foreign policy , estimated total death toll air ground low 1 , 500 3 , 000 wounded based conclusion article number bodies found buried u troops 577 prisoner war interviews noted 2 , 000 69 , 000 iraqi prisoners war wounded based calculation half many wounded escaped captured , put number wounded 3 , 000 using conservative ratio one dead two wounded , applicable third world armies like iraq , set battlefield deaths 1 , 500 maybe figures low , wrote maybe real death toll battlefield 2 , 000 3 , 000 even 6 , 000 even , evidence suggests death toll well 100 , 000 even 10 , 000 interview , said 100 , 000 figure obviously base would mean virtually iraqi soldiers kuwait theater operations casualties said today 's wars fought high technology , rather drawn conflicts yugoslavia somalia
goldberg oasys dt navy mil \( mark goldberg \) subject camera bag sale two left reply goldberg oasys dt navy mil \( mark goldberg \) distribution usa organization naval surface warfare center , annapolis , md lines 39 gone except 3 5 go ahead make offer ca n't refuse ! 1 large padded bag sorry , sold , awaiting check 2 small nikon shoulder bag sorry , gone 3 small nikon belt pouch similar army ammo pouch belt clips , etc holds flash small zoom , lens cleaner , etc great extra lens n't want tote shoulder bag think hold small walkman tapes 5 1 postage 4 belt pouch sorry , gone 5 coast camera bag tan , brown strap trim main front pocket , 10 5 5 respectively hold af slr small zoom plus flash even 8mm compact vhs video camcorder ! material looks like gore tex n't think think also hold portable cd player bunch discs , headphones , ac , etc 15 3 postage terms payment advance money order bank check , cash \) \) \) everyone 's entitled opinion \) goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination important knowledge albert einstein \) \) \) everyone 's entitled opinion \) goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination important knowledge albert einstein
f2ehg786 umiami ir miami edu subject apple 40mb hd ext case \? organization univ miami ir lines 14 'd like install apple \( quantum \) 40 mb hard drive taken iisi external box hard drives international dead conner mechanism done \( know \) \? , could please walk , much detail possible \? please email directly anyone else interested , email 'll forward responses enough people want instructions , 'll post summary within week thanks advance , bill f2ehg786 umiami ir miami edu
mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman com \( mel beckman \) subject tapped , code good organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman mbeckman com distribution world x mailer uaccess lite macintosh release 1 5v5 lines 37 article strnlghtc5who2 1fk netcom com \( sci crypt , alt security , comp org ieee \) , strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes maybe , 's quite common millions macintosh users idea 's apple 's patented roms many modems connected know business secrets n't stolen \? answer 1 trust apple 2 attempt , however sophicsticated , came , would destroy apple 's credibility forever david , neither \( 1 \) \( 2 \) apply government , though feds , unlike apple , repeatedly demonstrated trust unsafe thread hang freedom \? unlike apple \( 2 \) , govt credibility lose i'm serious one name agency irs , , fcc , faa , fbi , nsa , cia find numerous examples public trust run worse , one rarely find examples serious consequences offending agency even supposing could get reign trust somehow , 's always matter competence govt agencies even trust \? mel p amused mentioned usda example agency capable managing escrow i'm consultant usda , work wonderful grin , agency ranked industry publications govt computer news one worst computer resources recently , prime time live long segment usda 's computer troubles making concerted effort change , intentions n't make track record mel beckman internet mbeckman mbeckman com beckman software engineering compuserve 75226 , 2257 ventura , ca 93003 voice fax 805 647 1641 805 647 3125 observe lot watching yogi bera
subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 6 everyone seems think man 's mouse problem mechanical \( dirty \) similar problem mouse , occurs ru windows therefore cannot mechanical nature i'm running mouse systems compatible mouse 486 66 dx2 trident 1 meg video card similar well strange font e traces left screen windows gpf errors help ! ! !
kevin msai com \( kevin smith \) subject abolish selective service organization mitsubishi semiconductor america , inc , durham , n c lines 20 nntp posting host pluto msai com selfish little bastard afraid might sacrafice somthing country someone approve lone \? bad immoral people like current president n't idea country still exists 200 years n't consider ideas selfish consider rational agree body post , please reconsider phrasing think ideas selfish rational , n't give selfishness bad rap would moral reason draft draft ultimate mindlessly serving fellow man thought importance self opinions expressed herein necessarily shared employer came viewing prime time sit
cunixa cc columbia edu \( james r \) subject notebooks summary zeos , nntp posting host cunixa cc columbia edu reply cunixa cc columbia edu \( james r \) organization columbia university lines 16 posted n't receive responses 've looking good notebook 1700 two favorites zeos sl micro something \( one apple powerbook style trackball 486slc \) suggestions others \? 'd love hear someone one two mentioned , thanks advance , jrl james r computer science i486 phone \( 212 \) 853 columbia e internet cunixa cc columbia edu
bnr ca \( paul valin \) subject montreal quebec nntp posting host organization bell northern research ltd lines 25 article msuinfo cl msu edu , vergolin euler lbs msu edu \( david vergolini \) wrote anyone see montreal quebec game yesterday \? tight right last second third period overtime roy hextall played like gods ok , montreal ! deserved getting first goal overtime waved puck hit high stick second goal overtime also replayed , could tell montreal player kicked puck definitely directed stick anyways , montreal back series overhead replay pretty clearly showed quebec defender deflected puck play officials take nearly much time make call first non goal , seemed pretty non controversial agree great game good see roy damphousse back form hopefully sign good things come paul valin tel 1 613 763 bell northern research ltd email bnr ca p box 3511 , station c ottawa , ontario , canada k1y 4h7 'only opinions '
cco caltech edu \( mark adler \) subject gamma correction organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 5 nntp posting host sandman caltech edu someone knows 're talking add faq entry gamma correction \? thanks mark
ns111310 lance colostate edu \( nathaniel sammons \) subject price drop c650 within nntp posting host casco lance colostate edu organization colorado state u engineering college lines 40 article 75 uupcb hal9k ann arbor mi us barry davis hal9k ann arbor mi us \( barry davis \) writes ns negotiated ns good deal supplier c650 8 80 would like jump , ns , , n't want price drop btw , deal ns c650 8 80 mouse anyone know better ns deal \? n't know better deal , would willing share deal rest us certainly sounds like 're getting great deal 'd interested deal deluxe 1 best price performance ! pipeline atlanta , ga echo mail around world ok , post comes , people stop sending email asking negotiated deal \? \) deal international computer networking ca \( saw ad int back macworld macuser \) phone number 310 441 deal may changed since weeks ago , since change prices every ten minutes \) alas , funny system , sounds like good deal , centris 650 , 4mb \( motherboard \) 4mb simm , 80mb hd , ethernet coprocessor \( well , actually 's 68lc040 instead 68rc040 , 'just say keep people saying thing '040 without coprocessor , since fpu built chip \) ok , ya , , would wait untill cyclones come buy quadra 800 \) nate hate quotations message brought tell know nate sammons , number 42 ralph waldo emerson ns111310 longs lance colostate edu
scott vos stratus com subject looking toontown summary know organization stratus computer , marlboro lines 10 nntp posting host m72 eng stratus com noticed post comp graphics know person name wondering used live paxton mass , friend would like say hi sorry n't think sr
linda cs su oz au \( linda distributed language \) subject help et4000 hicolor modes organization dept computer science , university sydney , australia keywords video , et4000 lines 21 body tell significant bit total horizontal width hides tseng labs et4000 15 16 24 bit dac \? trying use mode unix \( cant call int 10h \) program dumps contents card registers dos , sure trust extended registers et4000 anyway , problem mode , horizontal total register \( \) apparently set , index 1 \( displayed clocks \) set , nonsense resonable value would high bit , , \? also , one set video dot clock appropriate frequency \( would appropriate frequency \? \) documentation n't really clear \( tseng txt zip ftp site \) card 1024 1mb card seems tseng labs bios \( ver 8 05 think \) works nicely dos , well unix \( linux \) non hicolor modes great running x windows monitor take \( case \) please email answer , ca n't read news often thanks much , david
russotto eng umd edu \( matthew russotto \) subject jump starting mac ii organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 14 distribution usa nntp posting host tea eng umd edu article 1993apr19 microsoft com v microsoft com \( kenneth charlton \) writes apple dealerships kits replace soldered batteries battery holder real easy install , require soldering yes , 4 points , really big holes fairly clear stuff board replace battery , install battery holder matthew russotto russotto eng umd edu russotto wam umd edu news readers expect disclaimer say police searches seizures make use force \( responsible bodily harm resulting following advice \)
subject desertification negev amoss shuldig cs huji ac il \( amos shapira \) organization inst comp sci , hebrew university , jerusalem , israel nntp posting host shuldig cs huji ac il reply center policy research 's message 25 apr 93 05 25 pdt lines 48 center policy research cpr igc apc org writes give positive , accurate facts happened beduins land creation state israel , 80 percent negev bedouin expelled sinai southern jordan 10 , 000 allowed remain confined territory 40 , 000 hectares region annual mean 150 mm quantity low enough ensure crop failure two years three rare water wells south central negev , spring life desert , prevent bedouin shepherds roaming bedouin shepherds allowed stay central negev 1982 , sinai returned egypt , bedouin also eliminated time , strong pressure applied bedouin abandon fields order land could transferred army say noone knows anything happened reliable statistics exist concerning amount land held today negev bedouin known fact large part 40 , 000 hectares cultivated 1950s seized israeli authorities indeed , bedouin confined seven development towns , , established \( rest article available elias davidsson , email elias ismennt \) basically say know sure nothing good happens , know sure beduins jews arrived driven away jews , noone earth knows jews said \? could nonsense wrote \? btw , try asking beduins sinai mis israelis mention enough beduins idf least one full brigade amos shapira \( jumper extraordinaire \) true power corrupts , c system group , hebrew university , absolute power better ! jerusalem 91904 , israel amoss cs huji ac il demon son
subject gamma ray bursters energetic could \? belgarath vax1 mankato msus edu organization mankato state university nntp posting host vax1 mankato msus edu lines 38 article senator bedfellow mit edu , jfc athena mit edu \( john f carr \) writes gamma ray bursters , would absorption galaxy expected \? transparent galactic core gamma rays \? much energy burster put \? know energy depends distance , unknown answer form x ergs per 2 ok john carr \( jfc athena mit edu \) turn one problem sets class little problem n't calculator , problem set long ago , 'll use , hope 's wanted highly simplified problem , simple burst bursts usually complex example use burst peak flux 5 6 ergs cm 2 sec 1 duration 8 95 seconds second burst , last 4 seconds , flux half peak flux 's flux peak flux rest time assume background flux 10e 7 erg cm 2 sec 1 find integrated luminosity burst , several different spheres r \( oort cloud radius \) , r 22 5pc \( edge galaxy \) , r 183 5pc edge galactic corona , lastly r integrated flux time find , used old standby formula luminosity 4 \( pi \) \( r 2 \) radius 25 pc , found l around 10 32 erg sec pretty energetic close coronal model , found around 10 43 erg sec lastly , cosmological model l 10 53 's 'd call moderately energetic , 'd say suggestions could put much energy one second \? jeremy
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject law retribution organization stratus computer , inc lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article appserv eng sun com , fiddler concertina eng sun com \( steve hix \) writes mcelwaine nowhere net guy post \? heard week started compuserve flying models forum sigh cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject kind loving god ! ! owl csrv uidaho edu 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 26 article 1993apr21 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes point i'm trying make call christian may christian wow ! serious ! everyone calls themself christian christian \? wow ! make things bit complicated n't \? ask draw conclusions say seems like good advice , given revelation example jesus christ christian like example matthew 5 14 19 right \? repented sins accepted jesus christ personal lord saviour christian um , jesus say wanted people worship \? criteria christian , adhere ten commandments \?
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject please tell 're permenant scratches ! organization university east anglia lines 22 catherine barbara saum cs20 andrew cmu edu writes way wax dull finish \( minor \) \? passngering fiance 's bandit , hip pack rubbed tail left nasty dull finish teeny scratches way get rid \? buff \? wax \? help ! car accessory shops sell stuff called cut , fine cutting paste paint , remove dull finish minor also remove traffic film stuff probably n't realise , give original shine sometimes react badly metallic paint , though , try carefully going town stuff afterwards apply wax polish , well btw n't confuse cut cutting paste used grinding valves principle 's vastly different mike
dac cbnewsf cb att com \( david \) subject click focus vs point focus \? organization lines 12 problem ensuring point focus mouse cursor enters window application i'm using interviews , may matter , seems generic problem x example , use openwindows sparc2 , point focus set , generally works , always , depending going window move cursor one shell tool window another seems question , , within x guarantee point focus within application \? thanks response dave
world std com \( david k \) subject rumours 3do \? \? \? organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 42 johnm lonestar org \( john munsch \) writes article viamar uucp rutgers ! viamar ! kmembry writes read issue 2 wired magazine long article hype 3do 've noticed every article talks designers great , never show pictures output \( least pictures one understand \) magazine published pictures months ago computer chronicles \( program syndicated public tv stations around nation \) spent several minutes shown ces impressive real time john munsch april 1993 edition mix magazine carries story 3do includes pictures unit , schematic 's inside indication people 3do intend go stages \( mix trade rag aimed professional sound engineering community \) schematic shows central dma engine connecting two graphics animation processors \( 32 bit bus \) , 32 bit risc processor math co processor , video module , control port , expansion port \( 3do hangs double fast cd player \) , 1mb dram , optional video port \( editing video \) outbound side 1mb vram video processor tv chain parallel dsp sound chain promise red book cd quality audio , full 30 fps video future connection path pc via pc expansion card informed enough opinion various means methods discussed article , written philip de , cover machines mentioned thread come pc tcp ip world see tremendous potential bringing educated consumer 3do seems right business partners make happen hope helps david email world std com
02106 ravel udel edu \( samuel ross \) subject sams comic sale ! ! ! nntp posting host ravel udel edu organization university delaware distribution usa lines 363 ok instead holding auction , decided compute prices comic \( many suggestions \) reasonable prices give \( negotiable \) would like purchase comic \( group \) , simply email title issue 's want price issue shown beside comic first come , first served ! ! ! bidding meet price reached email address 02106 chopin udel edu 02106 ravel udel edu 02106 bach udel edu 02106 brahms udel edu haggling price ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! lots comics 1 , 2 , 3 look list ! ! ! ! ! shipping 2 1 3 comics 3 , price determined volume purchase \( may use big heavy box large orders costs mail \) bought comics , thanks ! ! ! comics near mint unless otherwise noted \( books graded mile high comics comic professional collectors , ! \) list reserved means made deal person waiting check arrive reserved comics good sold \( sorry ! \) incredible hulk 156 \( vs another hulk \) 3 195 2 196 2 246 \( vs captain marvel \) 1 248 1 249 1 250 \( double size issue vs silver surfer \) 5 255 \( vs thor \) 1 279 1 300 2 312 2 313 1 316 \( vs bi coastal avengers \) 1 347 1 reserved 348 1 350 \( vs thing \) 2 354 1 358 1 360 1 362 \( vs werewolf night \) 2 364 1 365 1 366 1 reserved 379 \( 1 copy \) 5 punisher 50 1 57 2 punisher war journal 29 \( ghost rider \) 2 30 \( ghost rider \) 2 punisher armory 1 4 2 2 original ghost rider rides \( reprint \) 1 1 ghost rider \( old series \) 37 3 reserved 43 \( vs johnny blaze \) 3 reserved 77 \( 2 copies , origin gr dream \) 4 ghost rider \( new series \) 15 \( 1st print , green glow dark cover , 1 copy \) 5 15 \( 2nd print , gold cover w glow cover \) 3 web spiderman 56 \( 2 copies \) 2 60 3 69 \( vs hulk , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 70 \( , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 71 1 72 1 78 1 deadly foes spiderman 1 \( 2 copies \) 2 2 2 3 2 amazing spiderman vs dr octopus \( special issue \) 2 amazing spiderman 350 \( vs dr doom , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 spiderman \( 1990 \) 1 \( silver , bagged \) 4 6 3 7 3 8 \( 2 copies \) 2 9 \( w wolverine , 1 copy left ! ! ! \) 2 10 2 11 1 13 5 16 1 enemy ace special 1 2 new warriors 1 \( gold cover \) 2 8 4 superman man steel 1 2 superman \( new \) 53 \( 2 copies \) 1 55 1 56 1 adventures superman 479 1 annual 3 1 superman annual 3 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 action comics 666 1 avengers west coast 69 \( vs us agent \) 1 batman 465 \( robin returns \) 2 466 1 467 1 annual 15 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 3 captain america 230 \( vs hulk \) 2 257 \( vs hulk \) 1 armegedon 2001 1 4 2 2 1 2 infinity gauntlet 1 6 4 3 5 3 double dragon 1 1 deathlok \( series \) 2 1 transformers 80 \( last issue \) 2 wonder man 1 1 2 1 flaming carrot 25 \( w ninja turtles \) 2 comet 1 1 legend shield 1 1 justice society america 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 official movie mag turtles ii movie \( sealed w comic \) 5 robin 1 \( 1 copies w poster \) 3 1 \( 3rd print \) 1 5 \( 6 copies \) 1 guardians galaxy 1 6 2 3 3 2 4 2 5 2 6 2 7 2 8 2 9 \( 2 copies \) 3 10 2 11 2 12 1 13 3 14 3 15 1 16 1 17 1 18 \( 2 copies \) 2 superman vs amazing spiderman \( oversized issue 70 's \) 7 reserved darkhawk 1 \( 3 copies \) 8 2 \( 2 copies \) 6 3 5 4 4 5 4 6 3 7 2 8 2 9 3 10 1 thor 246 1 428 1 429 \( vs juggernaut \) 2 430 \( w ghost rider \) 1 431 1 432 \( thor vs loki , 2 copies \) 3 433 \( new thor \) 2 annual 16 1 13 1 23 1 25 2 26 1 alpha flight 29 1 51 6 53 6 94 \( vs 4 \) 1 new mutants 22 2 100 \( last issue , 1st look x force , 1st print , 2 copies \) 5 100 \( 2nd print , gold cover \) 4 flash \( new \) 43 1 48 1 49 1 50 2 51 1 annual 4 1 uncanny x men 191 3 215 2 255 \( 2 copies \) 2 258 6 275 \( 1 copy left 1st print \) 6 275 \( gold 2nd print \) 3 276 3 277 3 278 2 279 2 280 2 281 3 282 4 283 6 defenders 52 \( hulk vs sub mariner \) 2 fantastic four 347 4 348 2 349 \( 3 copies \) 2 wolverine 11 3 reserved 20 2 41 \( w cable , 2 copies \) 6 42 4 43 3 silver surfer \( 1987 \) 1 6 2 3 3 3 4 3 5 2 6 2 8 2 22 2 24 2 32 2 49 2 50 \( foil cover , 1 copy left ! ! \) 6 51 2 52 2 53 1 54 1 55 1 56 1 58 2 59 2 avengers 326 3 328 \( origin rage \) 3 x factor 40 6 67 3 68 6 71 3 73 1 green lantern \( 1990 \) 3 2 9 \( 2 copies \) 1 10 1 11 1 12 1 toxic avenger 1 \( 3 copies \) 1 2 1 sleepwalker 1 \( 3 copies \) 2 3 1 7 1 kool aid man 1 \( sealed white bag , 2 copies \) 2 x force 1 \( bagged w cable card \) 4 1 \( bagged w shatterstar card \) 3 2 2 3 1 4 1 nfl 1 1 dr strange 31 1 annual 2 \( 2nd print , armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 hawk dove annual 2 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 justice league america annual 5 \( armegedon 2001 tie \) 1 send comments 02106 chopin udel edu thanks sam \( ex comic book collector \) college electrical engineering , university delaware
swalker bbn com \( susan walker \) subject xmtextfield lang bug \( \? \? \? \) organization bolt beranek newman \( bbn \) lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host bbn com found situation think bug x motif , i'm hoping really mistake part anyone know anything problem using xmtextfield , setting xmnvalue hardcoded text string \( ascii kanji \) either via xtsetvalues problem xmtextfield displayed , text getting truncated , depending setting environment variables lang \( specifically lc \) set japanese , text gets truncated set english , everything works fine taking default \( please note text done actual application , sample code make things easier \) running motif 1 2 , x11r5 via 01 test program set handle 16 bit kanji characters remembered \( \) prior font resources set japanese fonts n't know matters , dialog box initially created uil problem happen xmtext unfortunately substituting application acceptable alternative \( way much code modified beta ! \) small test program illustrates problem anyone wants best guess either x code motif properly allocating memory japanese , since n't source look guess please let know sounds familiar , suggestion , want sample program thanks ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! susan swalker bbn com 617 873
adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu subject mr2 seats sale reply adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 40 nntp posting host vaxa isc rit edu article 1993apr26 noao edu , groves noao edu \( lee groves \) writes article 1993apr26 ultb isc rit edu , adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu pair sport seats '85 mr2 sale , blue black owner mr2 , several friends , uncomfortable see ad like known several people lost seats mr2 middle night support celica retro fit trade insurance companies miserable deal cases seats seen sale , often stolen would nice see statement saying came would least help fear someone making buck someone elses expense 'll give seller benefit doubt , people aware vast majority mr2 seats market especially stolen lee \( btw incredible seats 's legit , go ! \) original owner seats original poster take serious offence statement see lot computers advertized net , friend machine net computer ads stolen computers \? learn logic \? seats , replaced much harder \( literally \) celica gts seats due back problem reuse mr2 brackets 's mr2 seats sell attached celica brackets please future think make allegations like hurts mike
daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com \( daniel prince \) subject placebo effects lines 12 turpin cs utexas edu \( russell turpin \) rt administering treatment know subjects rt receive placebo test treatment seems many drugs severe side effects might possible keep doctors knowing getting true drug especially true drugs used mental illnesses cat smart well trained origin one world los angeles 310 372 \( 1 102 129 0 \)
enea1 applelink apple com \( horace enea \) subject persistent vs chronic organization apple computer lines 6 anyone tell difference persistent disease chronic one \? example , persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis thanks , horace
grimm wu wien ac \( thomas w grimm \) subject wanted hypertext \( alike \) win3 1 organization wu wien lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host wu wien ac fact , i'm looking possibility connect different information \( like windows help system \) , n't want program system necessary effort afford small possible thanx advance , thomas !
clare ssd kodak com \( bill clare 726 9419 \) subject ulf crushes valeri zelepukin originator clare magpie organization eastman kodak lines 10 less says penguins game briefly saw ulf cross check valeri face wondering cherry going go coach 's corner bill clare , eastman kodak company internet clare kodak com c 901 road phone \( 716 \) 726 9419 rochester , new york opinions expressed herein belong employer
michael sells sells haverford edu subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization haverford college lines 29 distribution world nntp posting host 130 58 172 17 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d20 x xxdate wed , 12 may 93 13 13 03 gmt article 3xd cbfsb cb att com mohamed sadek , sadek cbnewsg cb att com writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry mohamed biden spoke well john major , architect betrayal bosnian muslims genocide basically given yet another green light mladic serial killers , rapists , continue genocide bosnian muslims major met mr rushdie said unacceptable iran death decree disagree personally hack writers like rushdie \( helps sell books \) , find interesting mr major finds genocide two million muslims bosnia acceptable , threat one single popular british writer unacceptable michael sells , department religion , haverford college haverford , pa 19041 1392
punjabi leland stanford edu \( sanjeev punjabi \) subject barry bonds batting 4th \? organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 7 heading indicates , impossible fathom barry batting 4th giants behind clark barry awesome consistent hitter definitely best national league imho , williams , streaky hitter \( really clutch hitter \) batting 4th ahead bonds simply injustice giants fans giants
rmt pioneer net com \( richard \) subject touring southwest nntp posting host pioneer organization network equipment technologies lines 21 article fatcity cts com kim fatcity cts com \( kim sharpe \) writes us touring utah mid june see canyons helpful hints stay things see avoid plans see bryce , zion , arches grand close point additional trip required \? help would nice thank support , grand canyon far away short side trips \( cedar city hurricane \) pipe springs \( way hurricane grand canyon \) may interesting right highway pipe springs \( small fort \) gives real insight pioneers lived missed one major must see attraction cedar breaks mountains cedar city take lots film reason calling country natural bridges four corners area also scenic , may far route monument valley spectacular , may far away rich
organization washington university , st louis brad thone c09615bt wuvmd netnews wuvmd subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk lines 16 never experienced wind severe physically precluded operation motorcycle 's matter deciding whether aggravation trouble 's worth course , depends entirely particular circumstances personal disposition skill n't done , dangerous takes getting used read ed 's list brad thone systems consultant systems service enterprises st louis , mo c09615bt wuvmd wustl edu c09615bt wuvmd bitnet
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject building uv flashlight article cup organization portal system \( tm \) lines 7 simplest cheapest soft uv bulb ar 1 argon bulb \( argon bulb \) works like neon bulb except purple cause stuff requires little power , battery , oscillator , step transformer 100 volts electronic \( 602 \) 451 several uv lamps , pre built units kits ask catalog
seema madvlsi columbia edu \( seema varma \) subject luser ! organization columbia university x posted china madvlsi columbia edu nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 13 hi , looking high speed converter \( least 8bits 150mhz \) research application paper january issue ieee solid state circuits mentions gaas , , 8bit dac anyone know find thing \? even somewhat slower si dac would needless say , looked conventional places \( , motorola , national , etc etc \) pointers would appreciated seema varma
wyllie helios physics utoronto ca \( andrew wyllie \) subject jays' darrin jackson nightmare ! organization university toronto physics astronomy lines 43 article ra nrl navy mil klinker itd nrl navy mil \( eric klinker \) writes article 93110 slacvm slac stanford edu thomas slacvm slac stanford edu writes article bde ra nrl navy mil , klinker itd nrl navy mil \( eric klinker \) says dj popular player san diego , derek bell faring well clubhouse toronto , matter bad looks still think steal jays perspective team chemistry laugh , laugh , equally publicly , jays finish third due severe depletion talent jays finish third depletion pitching staff , derek bell traded darrin could n't agree jays lot power line far pitching biggest problem maybe get acker back \? \) anyway point post , missed , derek bell traded basically doghouse cito rest team one incident sticks mind derek bell ran back jays division players back clubhouse bell ran around field arms air , waving big towel head looked like big jerk , especially consider contribute much team whole season next day , winfield carter somehow got keys bell 's jeep brought game started stadium announcer said going draw later game bell 's jeep bell really n't think bell popular think jackson might trying little hard right 's known great outfielder , 's blue jay booting balls playing generally awful andrew andrew wyllie wyllie physics utoronto ca university toronto
cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject opel owners \? organization university illinois urbana lines 52 mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) writes c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking friend one sitting yard really nice condition , body wise , transmission seized , n't run anyone info cars \? engine compartment looks really tight work , fine shape quite interested thanks ! darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca would manta , would \? \? \? sold buick dealers mid '70 's price leader \? \? \? \? sounds lot like opel gt 'd guess chassis kadett , rather bigger manta could easily wrong think later kadett 's sold buick opels craig think manta european name gt i'm pretty sure kadett 's sold pontiac lemans think gt early '70s mid '70s manta chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area bzzt manta two door sedan us 1900 engine sometimes referred opel 1900 manta 's also hot fun cars mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( mliggett iugold bitnet 'junk' collector , toys r us kid , antiauthoritarian , fan frogs , iguanas , herps funny , manta 's europe look surprisingly like opel alluded original poster chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
dundee ncr com \( sean gordon \) subject help , need mac se modem port pc 25 way serial port cable reply dundee ncr com \( sean gordon \) distribution world organization ncr e dundee lines 14 i'm trying connect mac se modem port pc 25 way serial port , someone provide wiring diagram null modem lead setup please use email since news feed bit thanks advance sean gordon sean gordon dundee ncr com include stdio h ncr \( e \) ltd long 10000 , b , c 2800 , , e , f 2801 , g main \( \) \( b c \) tel \( 0382 \) f b 5 \( 0 , g c 2 c 14 , printf \( 4d , e \) , fax \( 0382 \) e \) \( b c f b , f b g , g , b b \)
oml eloka demon co uk \( owen lewis \) subject tempest distribution world organization eloka project management reply oml eloka demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 44 article 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu writes heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? correct \( several times \) tempest standard , shared nato governments , limit emission information either electromagnetic radiation limits set standard classified open source information effect either electrical magnetic components exploited basic rule physics electromagnetic field associated path conducts flow electrons among things , drive 1987 korean built clone associated 24 pin printer major source unintentional emission crt added video driver card , rs232 parallel cable printer head emissions gross detected equipment apply good test equipment intelligence measuring emission levels , would find many potential sources leaked information cryptography used serious purposes , poor tempest protection becomes important security hazard early eighties , need allow commercial concerns , particularly financial institutions , level protection tempest threat led series briefings invited corporations cut tempest commercial use say equipment meet standard available \( price approved customers \) even commercial standard remains classified think , would really would n't \? owen lewis tele fax 44 \( 0 \) 794 eloka project management oml eloka demon co uk pgp 2 x public key request
spencer world std com \( spencer marks \) subject two america west tickets sale organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution na lines 11 america west airline tickets sale two 300 vouchers america west airlines , used toward purchase tickets wherever airline goes restrictions blackout times 're legally transferable used anytime july 1 asking 250 please respond email voice cheryl com \( person selling tickets \) spencer world std com \( person posting article \) call cheryl 508 653 , x 301
subject albert sabin rfox charlie usd edu \( rich fox , univ south dakota \) reply rfox charlie usd edu organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines 17 article titan ucs umass edu , cma titan ucs umass edu \( colin \) writes started reading newsgroup n't following thread i'm curious thread get started albert sabin changed something else \? sabin initiated religious discussion \? colin variation within thread variation times great occurred albert sabin common ancestor several threads , separate topic , subscribed recently albert sabin existed time , clue origins maybe answer might also point evolution thus albert sabin evolved religious discussion probably unexplainable rich fox , anthro , usouthdakota
wmoore ads com \( william moore \) subject line book mormon organization advanced decision systems , mtn view , ca \( 415 \) 960 7300 distribution usa lines 15 newsgroups talk religion misc subject line copy book mormon summary distribution usa organization advanced decision systems , mtn view , ca \( 415 \) 960 7300 keywords bom , book mormon , mormon anyone provide ftp site obtain online version book mormon please email internet address possible william h moore advanced decision systems , division , allen hamilton software engineer 1500 plymouth street net wmoore ads com mountain view , ca 94043 \( 415 \) 960
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject christianity crisis hank hanegraaff organization university colorado , boulder lines 11 article may 12 04 27 23 1993 athos rutgers edu af664 yfn ysu edu \( frank decenso , jr \) writes anyone read important book \? , feelings \? yet read book , though intend judging hear constantly radio , sounds good john 's charismatic chaos series book , talks much things health , wealth , prosperity thing real part \( prominent \) tv religion every time turn , 's paul \( showing new building \) talking 's sin poor unhealthy gr
edm wrs com \( ed mcclanahan \) subject vlb bus master problem \? keywords vlb bus master controller scsi nntp posting host chaos organization wind river systems , inc lines 11 bbn com \( ralph brown \) writes 've yet hear someone running 34f motherboard nt without shutting cache consider heard ! ami enterprise iii eisa vlb w ultrastor 34f edward mcclanahan edm wrs com
kaz iastate edu \( shroud \) subject trouble sound blaster pro drivers summary trouble sound blaster pro keywords organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 12 recently , windows starting giving error sound blaster pro requires newer version windows 3 1 worked correctly long time , n't know problem could thanks ! jeff kaz \( kaz iastate edu \) future long past forgotten , 're road madness ! geoff tate \( queensryche \)
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization clearer blir lines 27 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) writes nice theory bad mr2 's never came four cylinder 2 0 liters like 1 6 \? nonturbo 's 2 2 \? foot mouth , drew first generation mr 2 's 1 6 's smooth 'd real surprised original poster talking 1st generation car second generation cars 2 2 non turbo 2 0 turbo drove non turbo 2 2 calling unpleasant kind also understand anyone using balancing shafts four cylinders , must pay saab royalty using patented design like porsche 's 3 0 i4 wrong wrong mitsubishi owns patent , since expired everybody shred integrity putting balance shafts big 4 's notable exception nissan us market suckers guess need write c start telling publish graphs engine vibration rpm 'll see usenet discussions form engine peak vibrations 3 db less engine b , therefore engine better engine b 1 2 \) eliot
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 206 nntp posting host rac2 wam umd edu article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes fine opinion n't convincing anyone , 's getting refuted regularly facts \( case \) , n't likely opinions need revision \? said , want convice anyone , , opinions convince anyone \? believe opinions refuted facts n't paying attention arguments levelled , far , presented opinions opposed mine would hardly take facts maybe youy view dictionary problem one thing accepted meaning word dictionary , sometimes completely different thing word came mean long time hey , think dictionaries \? quite obviously need one good dictionary gives , well know could give hundreds words mother tongue \( spanish \) , use never find dictionary even , could show lot meanings words spanish different dictionary ok tell many people zionist movements define jew different way , many define jew based religious way n't think data exist directly guess n't curious know many people define many different ways term jew , basis movement \? , evidence shows , jew , considered terms israel , law return jewish nationality defined terms religion cultural identity , even 80 defined jews isreal religious way believe irish right nationalism support bombing killing ira , believe jews right nationalism support zionism right comparing actions israel ira like comparing us chile pinochet \( example \) , ira role pinochet really need get history straight also need basic dictionary need start reading answering point movement claims nationalistic , mean consider nationalistic israel ira think starting put words mouth wrong problem defining zionism one movement implying monolithic know never case problem saying support zionism believe among people soviet communist party might even inspired noble ideals change final results happened ussr \? way , even zionist movement homogeneous , matter matters result never said zionism monolithic going attribute things , present quotes said n't say directly implied , showed explicitly implied 're trying wo n't wash , know never said directly indirectly talking individuals defined zionists sure good , honest caring people talking results zionist movement talking movement whose actions resulted law return religious definition jew , country defines nationality based religion talking something consider form racism based religious belief , arabs israel cannot serve army becasue born right religion said judaism defined according religious standards several different meanings , know one meanings say religious defined jews another say meet religious definition jew one others i'm twisting words i'm trying make aware words n't mean think never heard definition religious defined jews always seen definition person jew mother jew , person convert , although seen people argue last part talking debate talking things right debate , 'll see happens right , things like let ask one thing understand israel citizenship nationality suppose \( ale \) f \( \) child israel nationality child 's id show , according one following cases actually , n't citizens' rights exactly cases , anyway , difference citizenship nationality israel \? mean actually , n't \? \) f jewish jewish b \) f jewish c \) f muslim jewish \) f christian jewish 'll depend religion practiced house original law return would still admit person jewish , memory serves , follows religious definition cultural one call form racism know touchy never said support palestinian self determination gave example hypocrisy n't twist definition word 180 degrees order , everyone else knows i'm touchy need assume representation everybody else make points assume talking stuff , still believe example valid one would hypocrisy say one supports nationalism support zionism disregard palestinian 's right never said someone net guilty example nothing , nothing less clarify think \? gave example example definition word twisted around 180 degrees example trying justify something nobody talked first , know words meanings given dictionary oh , dictionaries \? reference 's nonsense people read write , try associate meaning words dictionaries give meanings words , n't \? yes , language something evolves time seems cannot answer ideas given others without insulting others sad cannot abide utter 've proven completely wrong really posted another post definition zionism , post showed telling begining zionism form racism , even zionists racist individual private lifes movement ask state national rights people , practice , people defined according religion , , racist like never put even one syllable mouth tried prove failed next time careful ha ! 's nothing resembling fact 've said never added anything said know difference opinion fact \? eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder aap
eas asu edu \( \? \? \? \? \? \? \? \) subject islam satanic \? \? \? organization arizona state university lines 80 dear fellow christians , dinner last night bible study group discussion difference christianity islam shocked hear bible study teacher said mohammad indeed prophet satan said , \? \? believe , moslem friends kind nice , even sometimes feel wish could like \( point view , n't sin much \) come satan , could personalities tell truth , n't know much islam know believe god , believe day judgement i'm asking opinions islam teaching important want discuss whether saved want discuss politic related islam p post bit listserv christia , soc religion christian , bit listserv catholic christ , lord , smile jesus loves eas asu edu let start saying right newsgroup discussion islam , since 's group suspect point teacher making specifically islam indeed 's going impossible see getting within , since question whether non christians saved heart classic christian view , think people believed last century , christianity \( course judaism \) religion founded god , religions worshipped false gods , came satan less corollary another traditional view one christians \( possibly jews \) saved need mean 's truth religion , members intentionally satanic , order effective snare , satanic alternatives would attractive thus might contain kinds truth , wisdom spiritual insights would missing one thing knowledge salvation christ background teacher 's remarks suspect means discussion islam necessarily relevant point 's anything intrinsically wrong may teach fine code behavior , practitioners may wonderful people salvation requires follower christ , could still satanic invention reasonable deduction classic protestant position christianity says salvation n't matter kind nice good things , encourage one able enough saved salvation requires christ \( please forgive protestant terms 's catholic equivalent similar implications , different terms \) religion may quite attractive visible ways n't christ , 's like diet consists food looks wonderful , tastes great , missing essential food element end dying let clear specifically advocating position i'm trying \( usual \) clarify issues indeed relatively uncommon christians believe religions satanic christians regard beliefs unfortunate past part general move within christianity last century non judgemental god christians find hard believe god would allow anybody really rotten person end hell , find hard envision real spiritual forces work world things like creating attractive alternatives christianity whether actually sound basis shift decision people need make clh
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject sig lines 21 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support sig generated mail posts robin hood school financing plan wherein property rich school districts portion tax revenue taken given property poor districts plan equalize per student spending imho , however , disaster waiting happen taxes go 50 districts lose control tax money spent districts election saturday along city council , school board unfinished senate term exercise one right , i'm going exercise another ! dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
baer qiclab scn rain com \( ken baer \) subject wanted playmation info article qiclab 1993apr26 organization scn research qic laboratories tigard , oregon lines 19 article 1993apr22 osf org omar godzilla osf org \( mark marino \) writes hi folks , anyone copy playmation 'd willing sell 'd love try , retail playmation available direct associates 299 's hard beat price also , 'd better newer version older version bugs long since clobbered thanks advance , mark marino omar osf org uunet ! osf ! omar ken baer programmer animator , hash enterprises usenet baer qiclab uucp applelink office \( 206 \) 573 , 're anymore , 're riding ! ren
rsmith arc nasa gov subject printing xbm files organization internet lines 20 nntp posting host enterpoop mit edu xpert expo lcs mit edu hi anyone know direct way print image xbm file please reply directly 'll post summary opinion presented , reflect policy employer , nasa , ames research center roger smith sterling software nasa ames research center rsmith arc nasa gov change inevitable predictable beneficial n't logic demand part \? one man cannot summon future one man change present ! kirk alternate spock , mirror , mirror , unknown
subject cherry help , caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca 1993apr21 adobe com 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 34 article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca , golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes article 1993apr21 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes article 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) writes john madden picks gary clark madden team lot , much better receivers much reasons cherry sings praises doug gilmour little guy heart yet one n't see string american posts saying john madden lost marbles maybe john madden n't pretend madden team team best players maybe john madden n't feel need players n't choose madden team maybe madden actually demonstrates knowledge football broadcasts game cherry n't players except dive , , wield sticks weapons hiding behind , attempt injure aggravate injuries others always true fact , case doug gilmour , actually praises europeans things scum cherry 's opinion canadian kids tough , like real canadian ulf samuelsson cheap shots mark messier 's ribs wants ulf 's head doug gilmour breaks tomas sandstrom 's arm says sandstrom coming methinks either confused bigot likely latter used like cherry thought great i'm starting see true colors \( \) see , think 's asshole alan
cbnewsl cb att com \( james w \) subject shoot somebody organization distribution na lines 28 article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes heard many opinions subject would like hear people net say 're situation pull gun somebody give chance get away decided continue action anyway end shooting killing question \? stay wait cops collect brass \( 're using semi auto \) get \( provided course n't think seen \) \? kind laws books regarding type situation \? would likely thing happen stayed waited first offense \? would happen took someone saw caught \? massachusetts , likely arrested murder , convince cops da used lethal force threat death serious bodily harm , charges would probably dropped run away later caught , much harder time convincing cops judge jury innocence going lam seen indication guilt lot people jim opinions email att ! cbnewsl ! cbnewsl cb att com \? que \? ou \?
subject yanks 's george speaks kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 7 matt nokes 2 run single ron darling hit \? watching game yesterday flashed something regarding talking mark connor bullpen coach said something like 's mark connor 's fault bullpen horrible ! ! go ! ! george sticking non baseball nose baseball business shut george , spend money , get players leave buck coaches players alone
arnie magnus acs ohio state edu \( arnie skurow \) subject black reflector tape \? nntp posting host photon magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 18 article cronkite central sun com doc webrider central sun com writes months ago , one motorcycle mags , article mentioned reflector tape supposed available thru bmw idea tape would look black sunlight , reflect colors night anyone come across bmw source \? terry , president local bmw club \( beemers \) sells type tape comes strip approximately 3 x 12 cut sizes needed call terry \( 614 \) 837 1960 \( columbus , ohio \) arnie
miranda com \( sean \) subject fast organization observatory software lines 9 whole discussion religous war 'd rather '93 rx 7 mustang 5 0l 3 times price 's explain porsches selling folks would rather shrug sean test signature
actor telerama pgh pa us \( philip r \) subject 1 type controller organization telerama public access internet , pittsburgh , pa lines 22 nntp posting host localhost x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 possible put 1 controller pc mean different types ie rll mfm access drives cmos setup show configured low level writes controller example put 1 rll controller 2 drives machine put mfm controller 2 drives connected 4 drives 2 controllers different types also put 2 controllers type pc access asked question never tried anyone done supply info would pleased thanx advance info philip r actor telerama pgh pa us aliases actor , mentor , poet , rpg , writing , computers , acting , reading , philosophy , disclaimer since know existance offend one
draughn iitmax iit edu \( mark draughn \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization illinois institute technology lines 39 article hydra gatech edu gt6511a prism gatech edu \( cochrane , james shapleigh \) writes btw , screwed bad enough get someone hurt killed , co , pms , probably brigade commander , possibly region commander could expect good amount heat , possibly including service certainly pms would , would shortly thereafter asked retire called accountability pms knew beforehand activities person killed , would nailed failing ensure proper safety measures taken n't know , would nailed improper supervision hold president us lower standards subordinates \? , briefed fbi raid could asked intended flush bd 's president competent plan judge planning raid , need job set basic policies manage people clinton instructed reno preserve lives , confirmed plan raid safe could , job president involve minor details kinds operations sort leads disaster , demonstrated well vietnam raid went bad 80 civilians killed u authorities clinton enters picture big way clinton start investigation \? try squash attempt investigate \? responsible leader \? interested protecting image administration \? 'll find unfolds mark draughn draughn iitmax iit edu bitnet academic computing , illinois institute technology 1 312 567 10 w street , chicago , illinois
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject guns amex new name organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 107 thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio writes remember , tom \? hope 'll respond , seem voice reason \( 've recieving fan mail , naturally ego inflated late \) , hope make points never spoken ban guns america ! 've said seems many , especially many wrong hands argument cannot remove people need restricting remove people n't fairly simple problem , given size numbers agree \? believe criminals , particularly violent criminals , firearms problem making law without upon rights vast majority nobody seems able , doubt anybody norway either thus , left philosophical difference safety justify restricting many \? say , others say yes would like reduce number , would without affecting good gun owners \? \? provide method cannot abused \? doubt believe persons freedom n't believe n't pay course contention contention much one pay europeans believe society individuals , give 'a make society work giving little makes americans wary seen argument might remember chamberlain gave little particular fascist short asshole , appeasement worked might work instances , n't work others , since cannot predict future must cautious using actions history failure cars guns really mixed , tried make point like america , norway spaces cross get b , car essential parts guns hand essential norway , n't argue guns ban cars cars essential norway usa i'm willing bet neighbors would willing drive anywhere wanted go price thus , cars essential transportation however , arguments presented show , since cars used kill far people guns usa , makes much sense restrict cars guns one defines essential often depends upon one willing go service look raw data , comparisons individually weighed everyone believe hitler ww2 could avoided guns germany 30 's please read history ! depends upon populace willing desert storm proved , even armed populace wo n't revolt even given chance still , would hitler done armed populace \? wonder , first acts confiscate firearms points history show dictators overthrown arms hands populace thus , 're left wondering hitler would overthrown king george unlucky keeping usa colony one argue sides one also live action discussion 1 banning weapons americans 2 making harder criminals get one \? \? 2 , far proposals curtail 2 wound enforcing 1 well wish logical change name , part , purely jest merely pointed similar backgrounds racially , wholly different backgrounds politically thought would underscore point cultures different despite similar heritage batf get warrant gun search reasons \( child abuse instance \) batf enforce gun alcohol violations child abuse matter individual states local authorities n't people reading newsgroup access clari news \? \? \( seems rather mis uninformed \) hierarchy paid feed many sites people get reason , suspect money , censorship , main reason get alt sex site \? ca n't read censorship legal fears , differences show , usa watch murder every fifteen seconds yet breasts forbidden television dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
michal cs cmu edu \( michal \) subject pennsylvania insurance , limited tort option nntp posting host sp cs cmu edu organization school computer science , carnegie mellon distribution usa lines 16 article oasys dt navy mil glouie oasys dt navy mil \( george louie \) writes coverage also applies existing car insurance policy anyone understand limited tort option means lower rates opt , expensive opt \? \( layman 's terms please \) \? good deal ignore \? i'm type sue anyone drop hat type report every little ding limited tort option lower rates choose , ca n't sue others pain suffering , still sue economic loss sue wrecked car medical bills , ca n't sue pain suffering least , 's understand michal
feng qian launchpad unc edu \( feng qian \) subject os 2 2 1 unleashed nntp posting host lambada oit unc edu organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines 10 copy book , new , read 20 plus h dc pickup \( book 1100 pages quite heavy \) feng opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill , campus office information technology , experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu 152 2 22 80
lfoard hopper virginia edu \( lawrence c foard \) subject new study gay percentage organization itc uva community access unix internet project lines 23 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article 1993apr17 news cs brandeis edu , st923336 pip cc brandeis edu \( blort ! eeeep ! hwaaah \) writes would n't one expect heterosexual men gay men promiscuous simply due larger group potential partners \? thought matt might except gay men much promiscuous straight men shows damaged screwed gay men starting sound like little child wants ice cream kick scream enough think people believe sorry proof vigorous n't hold water insist cats dogs day , n't make join pythagorean reform church ! repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept 10 heart ! call pythagorean reform church bbs 508 793 9568
ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) subject car saftey important \? organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 61 reply ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) says jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu \( john f nielsen \) writes article armory centerline com jimf centerline com \( jim frost \) writes tcorkum bnr ca \( trevor corkum \) writes figure 30mph collisions brick walls n't common enough spend much extra money protection , lots low speed collisions worry get 30 mph accident may reconsider 've one really life something value car 's looks consider insurance , may happen often , 'll sure glad got safe car granted tests n't perfect 'd much rather car well test car horribly raise valid point , 's tradeoff much money want spend kind protection \? could buy volvo , saab , get really good crash protection \( luxuries \) 'll pay significantly case 's question cars beyond budget 've two major auto accidents , multiple car worst head three car collision \( intersection one person ran stop sign \) cases stopped place go \( saw coming times \) even high speed head collisions beneficial item good old 3 point seatbelt nowadays , least us , get airbag get 3 point belt \( presumably \) get added safety benefit well 's something certainly look inexpensive cars really want add safety car , simply add cage car available cheap \( 500 usa \) add four five six point belts walk away collisions otherwise instead people spending little extra money , get legislation says gov't must mandate minimal level protection everyone one significant factor improving one 's safety get training improve safety single investment drive ride defensively \( mean old stick mud \) people tend autos average \( probably top 15th driving ability \) , still sometimes overlook obvious 've two driving schools , three riding schools motorcycle worthwhile investment \( besides , lot fun \) safety make , n't provide adequate level protection n't mean leave go al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke 'blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes n't know girls ca n't play guitar \? mary chapin carpenter
troll gsfc nasa gov \( chris \) subject monitors nanao \? organization nasa gsfc hstx , greenbelt , md lines 21 nntp posting host troll gsfc nasa gov mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset us ascii content transfer encoding 7bit reply johnn eskimo com 's message 21 apr 93 23 03 27 gmt reply johnn eskimo com 's message 21 apr 93 23 03 27 gmt newsgroups comp sys ibm pc hardware , comp sys amiga hardware , comp sys sun hardware subject monitors nanao \? references c5uw1t 3hi eskimo com distribution text follows line nanao 17 \( \? \) ipx prefer sun 16 trinitron work vertical jitters two horizontal got one folks advertising computer shopper et al 1050 plus 40 shipping bought cable goes sun 's connector monitors 50 macintosh mailorder shop \( relax technologies \) 'd happily chris gsfc nasa gov nasa gsfc hstx 301 286
rbp sw stratus com \( russell peterson \) subject john wetteland , derek lilliquist , info please organization stratus computer , inc lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host paradise sw stratus com recent problems indians pitching staff heard numerous names thrown around could solve problem one name heard mike soper \( rp \) far know , soper pretty good minor league stats give kid chance \? anyone know anything guy \? russell peterson everyone believes something rbp sw stratus com believe 'll another beer
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject ahl leafs back home \? organization clarkson university lines 15 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 apparently , public strike st john 's , newfoundland strike , since mid january , forced st john 's maple leafs hockey team play home games cities toronto , cornwall charlottetown playing playoff home games halifax , nova scotia management said could return st john 's second round bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject winfield 's spot time greats team originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 43 article 1993apr23 alleg edu luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer writes article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes article kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu \( david robert walker \) writes article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu \( david tate \) writes rf time , far anyone tell quick scan last night , looking players peak comparable better winfield quick n dirty subjective judgement , could make good cases ruth , aaron , ott , robinson , clemente , kaline , , klein , jackson , , probably others knock winfield , comment consistency players awesome stretches good stretches , winfield uniformly excellent hall fame \? absolutely top 10 peak \? i'm sure top 10 total career value \? yes , almost certainly point taken winfield 's peak years anyway \? probably around 85 's trouble peak years \? excellent good , real bell shaped pattern 1979 fine year 78 80 merely really good yankees , 84 \( think \) best one 340 ba course , 1992 n't bad , either 's bigs since 1973 , one year intermission surgery though n't mix skills pete rose , 's like pete rose one way 's natural hitter winfield 's swing used ugliest thing new york , includes gulf western building sheer athletic prowess physical size made lot fascinating player watch , even obviously great one way able quite things surprising ways surprising levels roger
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 30 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) says article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know serious ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! try \( deep breath \) mustang , camaro , optional nearly every truck ever built , corvettes , , bmw , , , , infiniti q45 , jeep grand cherokee , lexus ls 400 , lexus sc 400 , mark viii town car , b , mercury grand name ! ! ! ! v12 jaguar xjs v10 viper v16 must one somewhere believe bugatti 's coming \( \) one something like 4 turbos mucho macho hp one cool price , heard rate , point , i'm pretty sure , indeed , one production tho rather limited drew
jtrascap nyx cs du edu \( jim trascapoulos \) subject 1982 yamaha maxim sale \( denver area \) summary posting roomate keywords yamaha , motorcycle , 550 cc organization university denver , dept math comp sci lines 25 \( message posted roomate \) bike good condition , black , miles , mag wheels , front disk , rear drum , good front tire , new back tire , ring chain , new battery , new starter laid back look bike runs real strong four carbs giving best buyer gets cover \( weather , \) , tank bag \( non magnetic ca n't take disks along otherwise ! \) , cargo net manual bike origional tool kit matching yamaha lock asking 1700 best offer would like sell soon , please call \( voice ! \) \( ack ! \) questions ! john \( 303 \) area \( home \) 238 \( work \) 296
access digex net \( paul robinson \) subject homosexuality immoral \( non religious argument \) organization company , silver spring , md usa lines 43 crossposted zillion groups n't intend carry entire discussion crossposted alt sex , particularly one whose motivation seems fun argument however thought readers might interested know discussion clh intend endeavor make argument homosexuality immoral practice lifestyle whatever call intend show basis rational declaration statement intend also show declaration made without religious justification morality , fact show standard made one atheist anyone wants join fun taking side , e make claim homosexuality immoral , , , morally valid practice , free think lot people n't believe one rational based morality without religion attached fun try figure , want try expose \( pun intended \) ideas see people 's see ideas standing i'm sure groups would interested discussion , posting announcement several , someone thinks appropriate groups , let know someone n't receive alt sex , let know 'll make exception usual policy set mailing list automatically distribute digest format anyone wants receive 'll use main forum exception usual policy normally charge , duration service available charge anyone address reachable internet bitnet decided start dialog realized much larger audience usenet internet smaller bbs networks give side time work screaming anger , begin monday , may 24 , give people want make response time identify anonymous postings acceptable , since people may wish identify also , someone else wants get side , free much interesting abortion debates !
c5ff jupiter sun csd unb ca \( cook charlie \) subject nhl summary parse results games played tue , april 20 , 1993 organization university new brunswick lines 133 ny islanders 1 1 2 0 1 5 washington 0 2 2 0 0 4 first period 1 , ny islanders , turgeon 1 \( king , thomas \) 13 14 second period 2 , washington , hunter 3 \( johansson , miller \) 6 33 3 , ny islanders , turgeon 2 \( thomas , vaske \) 12 36 4 , washington , hunter 4 \( johansson , carpenter \) pp , 16 51 third period 5 , ny islanders , hogue 1 \( unassisted \) 3 31 6 , washington , khristich 2 \( cavallini , bondra \) 7 16 7 , ny islanders , ferraro 2 \( flatley , hogue \) 14 50 8 , washington , hunter 5 \( johansson , khristich \) pp , 19 57 first overtime scoring second overtime 9 , ny islanders , mullen 1 \( ferraro , flatley \) 14 50 ny islanders 5 power play 5 0 scorer g pts ferraro 1 1 2 flatley 0 2 2 hogue 1 1 2 king 0 1 1 mullen 1 0 1 thomas 0 2 2 turgeon 2 0 2 vaske 0 1 1 washington 4 power play 5 2 scorer g pts bondra 0 1 1 carpenter 0 1 1 cavallini 0 1 1 hunter 3 0 3 johansson 0 3 3 khristich 1 1 2 miller 0 1 1 montreal 0 0 1 1 quebec 3 0 1 4 first period 1 , quebec , leschyshyn 1 \( kamensky , sakic \) pp , 4 19 2 , quebec , young 2 \( lapointe \) 11 41 3 , quebec , young 3 \( lapointe , duchesne \) 13 56 second period scoring third period 4 , montreal , bellows 2 \( odelein \) 11 05 5 , quebec , lapointe 1 \( ricci \) en , 19 23 quebec 4 power play 2 1 special goals pp 1 en 1 total 2 scorer g pts duchesne 0 1 1 kamensky 0 1 1 lapointe 1 2 3 leschyshyn 1 0 1 ricci 0 1 1 sakic 0 1 1 young 2 0 2 montreal 1 power play 1 0 scorer g pts bellows 1 0 1 odelein 0 1 1 new jersey 0 0 0 0 pittsburgh 2 4 1 7 first period 1 , pittsburgh , mceachern 1 \( francis , taglianetti \) 15 09 2 , pittsburgh , lemieux 3 \( samuelsson , barrasso \) sh , 17 41 second period 3 , pittsburgh , tocchet 2 \( stevens , samuelsson \) 3 48 4 , pittsburgh , jagr 2 \( francis , ramsey \) 12 39 5 , pittsburgh , stevens 1 \( francis , murphy \) pp , 15 43 6 , pittsburgh , mceachern 2 \( daniels , mullen \) 16 56 third period 7 , pittsburgh , mullen 1 \( francis , barrasso \) 17 42 pittsburgh 7 power play 4 1 special goals pp 1 sh 1 total 2 scorer g pts barrasso 0 2 2 daniels 0 1 1 francis 0 4 4 jagr 1 0 1 lemieux 1 0 1 mceachern 2 0 2 mullen 1 1 2 murphy 0 1 1 ramsey 0 1 1 samuelsson 0 2 2 stevens 1 1 2 taglianetti 0 1 1 tocchet 1 0 1 new jersey 0 power play 5 0 scoring buffalo 2 1 1 4 boston 0 0 0 0 first period 1 , buffalo , presley 1 \( unassisted \) sh , 4 27 2 , buffalo , wood 1 \( , sweeney \) pp , 8 07 second period 3 , buffalo , mogilny 3 \( lafontaine \) 5 03 third period 4 , buffalo , hawerchuk 1 \( carney , smehlik \) pp , 14 48 buffalo 4 power play 4 2 special goals pp 2 sh 1 total 3 scorer g pts carney 0 1 1 hawerchuk 1 0 1 lafontaine 0 1 1 mogilny 1 0 1 0 1 1 presley 1 0 1 smehlik 0 1 1 sweeney 0 1 1 wood 1 0 1 boston 0 power play 5 0 scoring
ttrusk mcw edu \( thomas trusk \) subject geosphere image organization medical college wisconsin lines 37 reply ttrusk mcw edu nntp posting host pixel mcw edu article 1993apr27 news nd edu rmalayte grumpy helios nd edu \( ryan malayter \) writes anyone know digitized version geosphere image available via ftp \? n't know , composite photograph entire earth , removed think 's really cool created government funds sattelites research project , would assume 's public domain thanks info , ryan copy 'the earth wall purchased space shots , inc \( la , ca \( 800 \) 272 \) printed poster , image created tom van geosphere project image copyrighted , doubt 'll find legally public domain part proceeds sale image go geosphere project \( environmental education thing \) , cost nominal , crack 20 buy one ! also , n't think 's always safe assume government project , products provided free many government agencies \( nasa , noaa \) private groups \( national geographic \) provided assistance geosphere project collaboration seems mostly oriented educating public , rather pure research dr thomas trusk dept cellular biology anatomy email ttrusk mcw edu medical college wisconsin milwaukee , wi \( 414 \) 257 disclaimer affiliation mentioned groups opinion , flame advertisement \? turned lights \? 's funny noise \? feel strange
borden head cfa harvard edu \( dave borden \) subject quick survey economic views organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory , cambridge , , usa lines 17 'd like conduct small survey relating americans' views economics japan survey consists two questions ask americans respond 've posted worldwide , however , think others interested results 'll results post commentary please respond email borden m5 harvard edu questions 1 \) american , would prefer given year , \) economy grows one percent , japan 's economy also grows one percent , b \) economy grows two percent japan 's economy grows three percent \? 2 \) newsgroup read survey \? thank participation dave borden borden m5 harvard edu
essex ecn uoknor edu \( billy aaron beard \) subject torre worst manager \? distribution usa nntp posting host essex ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 24 gt0523e prism gatech edu \( michael andre mule \) writes article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu \( brian r landmann \) writes e , later , ninth inning bases loaded two outs puts lankford , 300 hitter power pinch runner uses luis alicea , 250 hitter power pinch hitter thinking memory serves well , alicea hit , damn near tied game torre obviously knows players better mention lankford hurt two nights running outfield wall reason available pinch anything ribs problem could run hit torre white rat give credit , pretty darn good manager exception felix fiasco , i'm sure 's bil cardinals mailing list \? \? \? \? \? \? \? anyone \? \? \? \? \? \? anyone \? \? \? \? \? \? \? please \? \?
ranck joesbar cc vt edu \( wm l ranck \) subject dogs organization virginia tech , blacksburg , virginia lines 25 nntp posting host joesbar cc vt edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 charles parr \( parr acs ucalgary ca \) wrote oh bull , ed use dogs \) many people scared shitless b \) nose vision hearing without cop partner attendance , dog much meat hands human bad attitude al training violent force one things police dogs used take bullet instead human police officer charles said , many people scared dogs panic one goes attack turn weapon dog allows police officer take control advice correct , dog still match trained human fight single person vs single dog face face confrontation really contest dog match human willing fight multiple dogs different story bill ranck \( 703 \) 231 9503 bill ranck vt edu computing center , virginia polytchnic inst state univ , blacksburg , va
dchan cisco com \( derek chan \) subject service indicator bmw organization cisco lines 7 distribution world nntp posting host cisco com originator dchan cisco com thanks recommendations decide ignore service indicators oil change every 3000 miles thanks responses derek
cec uchile cl \( perez c \) subject compiling mh 6 8 \( xmh \) sco 3 2 4 nntp posting host cec uchile cl organization centro de \( cec \) , universidad de chile x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 21 jesse w asher \( jessea u013 vp com \) wrote i'm trying get mh compiled \( xmh \) i'm problems 've got mh 6 8 , using gcc sco 3 2 4 mh file listed anyone suggestions add get compile \? \? bin usr local bin cc gcc ccoptions ansi stdc 0 dsysv think traditional option gcc would help personally used traditional o2 loops compile sun4 1 1 hope helps dcc uchile cl
hps jach hawaii edu \( henry stilmack system mgr \) subject choosing window manager reply hps jach hawaii edu organization uk canada netherlands joint astronomy centre , hilo , hawaii lines 13 back \( e , several months \) someone posted method allowing user choose \( via something else \? \? \) window manager interactively x startup time could original poster \( anyone else \) please email copy method , lost original posting \? thanks henry stilmack \) computing systems manager \) perform random uk netherlands canada joint astronomy centre \) senseless acts beauty 660 n place , hilo , hi \) hps jach hawaii edu 808 969 \)
jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization hand held products , inc lines 45 distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld com article 1993apr22 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes freed om religion absolutely nothing building small arsenal grooming 10 year old children wife 'll come soon finish manuscript seven seals oh , ok , david agree koresh much victim perpetrator grew inside cult , engaged power struggle supporters helped inflate ego n't change fact loose fucking cannon shitload serious weapons banging thirteen year olds twisting little minds move fuck helicoptor thermal imaging compound afternoon detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously cs canisters specially modified abrams stuff chance starting fire kerosene lamps \? maybe one , three fires way koresh n't talking ass expected happen maybe wanted look like murder 50 days think coming whole time n't even put children buried bus underground bunker cs seige put tower die fuck big brother paranoid freaks good thing come one less group attract members society joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu made mind waco , sure seems group devoted government following fanatics willing believe whatever government wants tell , without shred doubt , thought thier sure get shrill whenever belief structure shaken kinda reminds bds , n't \? jim jmd handheld com i'm always rethinking 's never day n't rethought ca n't bill clinton 6 april 93 american , englishman , foreign troop landed country , never would lay arms , never never never ! william pitt , earl chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777
tsar princeton edu ! fuchs \( ira h fuchs \) subject removing battery corrosion originator news nimaster nntp posting host tsar princeton edu organization princeton university lines 17 article 1993apr26 239 uvm edu me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) writes article 1993apr25 1239 princeton edu , fuchs tsar princeton edu \( ira h fuchs \) readily available solvent good job removing corrosion collects battery terminals \( usually cathode \) using alkaline batteries \( accurately , using long time \) \? generally , corrosion signal 's time send , 're desperate cheap try soda wire brush use gloves goggles , please ! sorry , meant terminals device batteries \( obviously quite dead \)
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! organization sun microsystems lines 15 distribution world reply dbernard clesun central sun com nntp posting host clesun central sun com karl auerbach writes besides , nine people successfully flee fire yeah , least one person ran back sounds like personal choice religious , beleive dying beliefs , probably core happened waco religious fanaticism \? people try get back time homes firefighters often restrain want rush back effort save things old photos , , stamp collections , cash , books , , pets , wives husbands , babies
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject bonilla originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 37 article 1993apr23 island com fester island com \( mike fester \) writes article 1993apr21 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) writes say black , mean us born black people purposes discussion hispanic players baseball 1947 , one team 50 's signed lots hispanics went better local audience blacks black hispanics \? good question 's impression , backed evidence , general south seems exempt one hiring firing effect talking back 20 's attempts hire black ballplayers rejected commissioner others would hispanics stick around blacks \? n't know remember country special racial laws one group one group blacks national history man , better serious reading really , really doubt meant say well , mean say \? aside short lived exceptions japanese ww ii , blacks affected laws regarding slavery , jim crow , , military service , etc claim 100 , , come exception , fine cookie compared list , racial group put legal onslaught worth discussing length roger
sdb ssr com \( scott \) subject burzynski 's antineoplastons reply 's message 21 apr 93 16 54 32 est lines 28 organization research 93111 asuacad bitnet article 93111 asuacad bitnet asuacad bitnet writes good source information burzynski 's method cancer industry prize nominee ralph moss interesting book got moss \? none flyers books mention , none cancer chronicle newsletters mention either also , non profit organization called people cancer , formed purpose allowing cancer patients access information regarding cancer therapies endorsed cancer industry , shown highly promising results \( non toxic \) moss people cancer 's director communications people cancer seems offer pretty questionable information , exactly place cancer patient advised turn \( maybe \) infomation latest catalogue concern treatments shown ineffective cancer , many treatments quite dangerous well sdb sdb ssr com
prefect cc bellcore com \( , \) subject space marketing boycott organization bellcore , livingston , nj distribution usa lines 16 article ucdavis edu ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) writes space ad proposed undoubtedly thing come marketing pipe years , best reason star wars killer satellite system dan n't activist guys cut misc invest thread \? n't offer shares sale yet tony cc bellcore com
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject freedom u nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 23 article 1993apr27 cs ucla edu steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) writes ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes virginia edu true founding father , thomas jefferson author bill rights , allowing freedom speach sorry guys israel hard time concept jefferson author bill rights history books n't , jefferson might group think enumerating rights necessary cheers , steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 look beginnings one liberal , western schools , establishment eastern university \) tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
stan uucp \( stan \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good organization temple stan tbs world hq concord , mass , usa lines 17 jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes people work within system trying break \? examine history books , find many armed revolutions led democratic \( democratic style \) governments think 'll find one five thousand years written history 's good odds may misreading saying american revolution n't good idea bad odds \? kind doubt revolution , armed otherwise , ever started without vast amounts failed working within system good sign system worth preserving would probably inability work within hopefully 've misunderstood \( btw , i'm big fan arms
loki acca nmsu edu \( entropic destroyer \) subject denver post yanks 'assault organization new mexico state university lines 33 nntp posting host nmsu edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 denver post \( supposed voice supposed rocky mountain empire \) ran following , classified heading friday , 23 april 1993 opinion new found wisdom , told person speak one mr walters , \( 303 \) 820 notice denver post longer knowingly accept advertise ment buy sell assault ons denver post finds use assault weapons poses threat health , safety , security readers let 'em know think dan revolution , assasination , , cobalt 60 , , cia , nsa , shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send something even ca n't read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block
robohen ocf berkeley edu \( henry robertson \) subject market access organization u c berkeley open computing facility lines 48 distribution na nntp posting host lightning berkeley edu article 1993apr22 leland stanford edu underdog leland stanford edu \( dwight joe \) writes article 1993apr22 eecs nwu edu andrew eecs nwu edu \( andrew sung kim \) writes rice import issue \? course , closed like shell , open compared us \? japan much open korea yes pontiac grand suffers factor 2 increase price exported japan however , dodge vehicle \( one congressman mentioned \) suffers factor 4 increase price exported korea ford taurus suffers problem honda accord costs making 48 , 000 korea many people would want buy honda accord 48 , 000 \? solution ships carrying korean made vehicles returned seoul pronto time korea decides wants abide rules free fair trade usa japan , , get carried away keep mind owning car korea luxury ruling class afford every government agency worth salt finds reason levy tax car ownership last heard , seven different fees pay car believe sort petty bureaucratic new president kim young sam wants eradicate basically , think rules came place bureaucrats backgrounds wanted revenge ruling class exchange , 's like hyundai screwed smaller companies , perpetuating vicious cycle faith korean people potentially build cars well anyone else , hyundai cars seem reflect tensions within society , screwy components wo n't work together stubborn like mule , car either wo n't go forward wo n't stop
organization american university university computing center mweintr auvm american edu subject playoff consecutive loss record \? lines 20 recent demise chicago \( much delight \) noticed 8 \( \? \) game playoff losing streak \( 4 pens last year , 4 blues \) wondering nhl record consecutive losses , even one i'm pretty sure hawks least 9 game losing streak , since 've lost series since last championship \( whenever \) basically , need something else rag hawks fan friend \) mike , yes rush marillion emerson , lake palmer genesis dream theater mike , aka irc sig quote du mweintr american edu life like scissors paper jedi wave cerf net stone game , none answers american university always right , sometimes washington , dc one neil peart , rush go philadelphia phillies vancouver canucks \( 3 , 13 go \)
eua ericsson se \( thomas \) subject need longer filenames nntp posting host eua ericsson se reply eua ericsson se organization ellemtel ab lines 20 utility let use filenames longer standard 8 3 format yep , 's called os2 ! yep , use type unix , maybe vms , buy mac something want longer filenames documents , heard wordprocessor windows let assign long names files long filenames could seen programs open save dialogs though maybe someone knows wordprocessor \? rember correctly , lotus notes gives u possiblity , among things tom se
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject organization artificial intelligence lab lines 5 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu wayne mcguire \? someone prove 's anon penet fi , ran pcp \? miss \( \)
matthew keating andrew cmu edu subject bowman needs credit organization freshman , im h ss track , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 26 nntp posting host andrew cmu edu first three games pens devils series , impressed time time pure talent pens jagr , barrasso especially fun watch , one element team goes unnoticed seems scotty bowman despite lunatic comments , despite line changing last night 's game , bowman able keep cool keep devils dark granted , hell pens bottled last night , bowman eventually able configure line get job done ability throw new looks strategies moments notice incredible bowman seems terrific ability reading players individual basis last night , instance , realized speed jagr , straka , throwing devils balance result , straka received many shifts average jagr played almost entire game \( always puck \) , scored goal , jagr many times throughout night ability commit one player crucial situations , especially coach talented team might simply rely overall talent dominate , bring success one replace genius optimism badger bob johnson , bowman , way , made permanent , though clearly seen , mark pittsburgh
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject question virgin mary organization georgia institute technology lines 16 article may 6 00 34 46 1993 geneva rutgers edu news cbnewsk att com writes basically teaching infallibility holds pope infallible matters faith doctrine , college bishops likewise infallible , well exactly correct , nice try catholic doctrine infallibility refers freedom error teaching universal church matters faith morals teaching taken doctrine randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject new study gay percentage organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 39 article rahul net , starowl rahul net \( michael adams \) writes 22 apr 93 10 39 15 gmt , theodore kaldis observed kiwi ucs indiana edu \( amy lynn young \) writes someone tell mr cramer spouts homosexuals , addresses homosexual men , never , post 've read , addressed lesbians \? ca n't really speak mr cramer , say homosexual male entirely different animal lesbian virtually nothing analogous related aberrant behaviors practiced two groups deviants last time checked homosexual men women human think mr kaldis using expression slang sense , though agree appropriate expression use context prefer engage sexual acts people gender nothing inherently wrong trademark behaviour either homosexual men homosexual women , except minds misinformed folk , clueless folk , bigots makes homosexual men homosexual women different animals \? michael adams \( starowl a2i rahul net \) enterprise , alabama 1 homosexual men extremely promiscuous , homosexual women , promiscuous heterosexual women , 's much 2 homosexual men among child molesters \( 30 child molestation done homosexual bisexual men \) , homosexual women n't appear similarly represented clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) subject opel owners \? lines 55 reply singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) organization mit lincoln laboratory article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu , cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes newsgroups rec autos path ! mit edu ! xn mit edu ! mit edu ! wupost ! howland reston ans net ! ux1 cso uiuc edu ! news cso uiuc edu ! uxa cso uiuc edu ! cka52397 cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject opel owners \? date tue , 20 apr 93 19 45 02 gmt 5 00 message id c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu references gibbonsa sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu 1993apr20 cactus org sender usenet news cso uiuc edu \( net noise owner \) organization university illinois urbana lines 30 boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca \( darren gibbons \) writes i'm looking information opel cars ask , model \? well , sad truth , i'm entirely sure , 's two seater , roll headlights , hard top , really sporty looking friend one sitting yard really nice condition , body wise , transmission seized , n't run anyone info cars \? engine compartment looks really tight work , fine shape quite interested thanks ! darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca would manta , would \? \? \? sold buick dealers mid '70 's price leader \? \? \? \? sounds lot like opel gt 'd guess chassis kadett , rather bigger manta could easily wrong think later kadett 's sold buick opels craig think manta european name gt i'm pretty sure kadett 's sold pontiac lemans think gt early '70s mid '70s manta chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area gt based chassis built model years 1969 1973 manta came 1974 model year 4 seat coupe matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory \( 617 \) 981 244 wood street singer mit edu lexington , 02173
nosc mil \( han n nguyen \) subject action translation table implementation organization naval ocean systems center , san diego , ca distribution usa lines 51 hello , application requires us capture keypad presses windows number applications trying use action translation tables implement succeeded assigning translation table every individual widget windows single application xt calls make included would much convenient could assign translation table class widgets rather individual widget , also accomplish multiple applications someone could describe would greatly appreciated platform sun sparc w x11r4 motif 1 1 4 static , , right , right , middle , middle , left , left , , , bye , quit , static char key kp 8 \( \) n key kp 6 right \( \) n key kp 5 middle \( \) n key kp 4 left \( \) n key kp 2 \( \) n key kp 1 bye \( \) trans table , trans \( \) \( , xtnumber \( \) \) trans table \( \) widget xtcreatemanagedwidget \( msg , , form , wargs , n \) \( widget , trans table \)
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject free ! eprom eraser pcb \( twin cities collect \) x xxmessage id dialup slip 1 15 gw umn edu x xxdate tue , 27 apr 93 15 58 12 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 15 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 5 device started life 175 watt security lamp , smashed outer glass liberate nasty rays , works treat , weighs heap \( due ballast \) , wont ship ! ! cheers mike
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? organization university colorado , boulder lines 18 article may 9 05 42 00 1993 athos rutgers edu mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) writes easteee wkuvx1 bitnet writes question satan taught long time ago satan really angel god kicked heaven challenged god 's authority problem , cannot find bible bible \? , originate \? quick answer revelation 12 7 9 someone mentioned earlier , apocryphal book enoch , satan apparently kicked three times asserting , hmmm pro choice looks kinda references around bible taking third angels , getting third heavens something
apgea army mil \( richard g \) subject magic layout editor organization apg edgewood , md , usa lines 7 nntp posting host apgea army mil heard magic transported macintosh environment anybody know get hold \? thanks advance responses rich dept army aberdeen proving ground , md
victor comms ee man ac uk \( victor buttigieg \) subject cpu temperature vs cpu activity \? organization manchester computing centre x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 30 lino montuno \( montuno physics su oz au \) wrote may naive question basis claim cpu get hotter computationally intensive job running \? friend claims little difference temperature idle cpu cpu running computationally intensive job lino montuno totally agree friend , since cpu apparently idle still fact away millions instructions per second \( checking keyboard input instance \) exception cpu 's used laptops , cpu enter idle state preserving current status absolutely nothing case needs hardware interrupt get going victor buttigieg e mail victor uk ac man ee comms communications research group university manchester
mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) subject death penalty \( political atheists \? \) organization cat mat x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 37 tue , 20 apr 1993 04 32 59 gmt bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote fascinating atheists argue abortion , defend homosexuality means population control , insist values biological condemn war capital punishment according benedikt , something contardictory , cannot exist , case means atheists suppose atheists talking \? , abortion choice homosexual sex choice people involved war sometimes necessary leaves capital punishment oppose capital mistakes happen \( yes thread went around resolution recently \) far control , think contraception education best courses action would like understand atheist object war \( excellent means controlling population growth \) , capital punishment , i'm sorry logic escapes 's making assumption atheists specific mindset capital punishment , questioned , propriety killing punishment \? basis \? mistakes happen bill , could victim mistake mike mcangus truth still truth mam mouse cmhnet org even choose ignore \( old sig viruses still best \)
sadek cbnewsg cb att com \( mohamed sadek \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization lines 45 article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word lie ! ! \? \? ask victims nazis n't take bosnian word ask survivors helped , hear bosnian muslims \( among others \) helped also object term ethnic cleansing , since happening bosnia ethnic cleansing , ethnicity , different religion orthodox christians , catholic christians , muslims 's religious cleansing also watching people rounded slaughtered throat , raped collectively systematically , driven homes millions \( ! ! ! ! \) , tortured concentration camps , maimed indeed amount moral rape nothing history justifies 's happening satya prabhakar mohamed
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject fear , uncertainty , doubt organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 21 nntp posting host access digex net accurate government says solid , people field might able find n't yet done review chip design , 's lot wild speculation little information might swiss cheese oh , puts debate excellent terms side feds people saying clipper insecure n't real information support judgment fine show information would prove wrong feds 's secret ! comes , looks suspiciously like government official pasting top secret stamps embarrasing information order save hide fact , framing secrecy issue perspective likely turn joe 's suspicions feds constitutional argument point urge others pro freedom side consider making case
wag caltech edu \( lim \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips organization california institute technology , pasadena , ca lines 19 nntp posting host wag caltech edu security system depend secrecy keys ability tap inherent insecurity depends fundamentally secrecy algorithm spell , many people seem miss point , algorithm published , anyone could create chip would work correctly skipjack chips would key registered believe technical means ensuring key escrow without government maintaining secret kind example , secret could private keys escrow agencies digital signatures would required key could used case , nsa nist whoever decided protecting entire algorithm easier cheaper secure possible protocols lim \( wag caltech edu , genie k \) materials molecular simulation center , caltech henry spencer left , margaret signature fan
edu tw \( lin \) subject stats question organization national cheng kung university lines 5 wondering whether official mlb stats includes intentional walks bb category \? lin
snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) subject relative value players organization adobe systems incorporated lines 14 article world std com jle world std com \( joe leonard \) writes always thought reasonable means measuring value players attempt determine team would trade one another major problem analysis ignores age even morris performing well clemens right , likely season , nobody would trade clemens morris straight clemens career left sherri nichols snichols adobe com
christen astro ocis temple edu \( carl christensen \) subject books organization temple university lines 4 nntp posting host astro ocis temple edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 stuff hard find atheist books deleted perhaps fundies onto school boards , city councils , etc something ca n't find alternative media \?
svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) subject put helmet nntp posting host corolla18 organization motorola inc , cellular infrastructure group lines 27 article 97 uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org \( ryan cousineau \) writes another good place helmet mirror \( ! \) kid typical standard bike fairly average mirrors screw handlebars , helmet fit mirror fairly stable butt , butt , yu able t0 ee car ! g behind yu t0 ! chick dig ! seriously , though , putting helmet mirror resting weight helmet fragile foam liner expected cushion noggin crushed , foam never pops back variation mirror hanging thing bike \( hey , centerstand maintenance \) turn wheel stop \( left \) hang helmet chin bar right grip foam chin bar , pretty secure \( long forks locked \) leave helmet parked bike \( bags n't full \) , stable place dave svoboda \( svoboda void rtsg mot com \) i'm getting tired 90 concours 1000 \( mmmmmmmmmm ! \) beating , dave 84 rz 350 \( ring ding \) \( woops ! \) never learn ama 583905 dod 0330 cog 939 \( chicago \) beth bruiser dixon
uni acs2 bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) distribution na organization boston university , boston , , usa lines 42 article 1993apr23 rick dgbt doc ca jhan debra dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes article bu edu uni acs bu edu \( shaen bernhardt \) writes text deleted quite honest , way things going , 'd call self defense never advocated saying believe i'm advocating second thought , calm smart warrior defeats enemy ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeats enemy open warfare battlefield warrior defeats enemy without using battlefield think , thesis sun point called good old , could make opponents lost contact front back lines , lose reliability large small groups , lose mutual concern welfare different social classes among , lose mutual accomodation rulers ruled , lose among soldiers , lose coherence within armies went action advantageous , stopped today sitting hands get nowhere battle jerry han crc doc div behavioural research jhan debra dgbt doc ca opinions , opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories 've left behind , still ringing ears genesis uni acs bu edu uni acs bu edu public keys finger request public key archives pgp public keys pgp iastate edu sovereignty sign brutal past fight clinton 's wiretap chip ! df610670f2467b99 97de2b5c3749148c crypto crime ! ask !
roy mchip00 med nyu edu \( roy smith \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? organization new york university , school medicine lines 29 nntp posting host mchip00 med nyu edu stubbs hawk cs ukans edu \( jerry stubbs \) writes consumption go turn overnight , along heat wonder hard would \( e would add cost \) design desktop machines power saver feature built would reduce power consumption automatically machine idle amount time pretty standard portable machines , kinds tricks could played spinning disks , turning screens , reducing clock speed , etc advantage turning thing would 1 \) n't remember anything 2 \) machine still available network tricky part might defining constitutes inactivity certainly , n't want wake sleep mode somebody , want wake \( least cpu \) somebody logs via telnet connection would n't worry much wasting electricity winter months energy getting turned heat may efficient way heat building central heating plant , 's bad summer though , 's disaster wasting power , 're probably also running air conditioning get rid waste heat roy smith roy nyu edu project , department microbiology , coles 202 nyu school medicine , 550 first avenue , new york , ny 10016 never happened bart simpson
djohnson cs ucsd edu \( darin johnson \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization cse dept , u c san diego lines 33 attempts make homosexuals feel unwelcome discomfort homosexuality incompatible christianity hatred deep rather see someone try become closer jesus , need keep away often true many people try place higher sin however jesus need us screen guilty particular sin really mistrust jesus says forgive sin \? big part problem many homosexuals people advocating acceptance homosexuality churches consider \( active \) homosexuality sin n't often see attitude forgive try change instead see 's nothing wrong life good christian , must illness n't accept christians accept homosexuals , accept sinner sure , may natural people homosexual also perfectly natural everyone sin ! born desire sin , work prevent sinning 's much less common , still urges anger also may sudden disappearance sinful desires \( ever ! \) , sad see people leave church discouraged still homosexual several years darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu particle man , particle man , things particle
chem utah edu \( mr stress \) subject hosed hd \? organization university utah computer center lines 25 hey old \( 1990 \) external hd attached plus lab given us flawless service last week problem someone lab old 512 upgraded couple years ago plus aftermarket simm scsi setup \( \) db25 scsi plug runs back machine attaches board 26 pin rectangular connector well , guy removed back machine , put memory , disconnected scsi plug since 26 pin connector symmetrical \( keyed \) may reinstalled upside , essentially reversing pins db25 came asked could try hd scsi port \( never used \) naive fools , said k computer failed recognize drive , none computers lab recognize tried disk doctor , n't recognize anything scsi chain could installing scsi upside wrecked hd 's driver board \? drive seems spin right upon powerup events coincidental attribute problem help greatly appreciated james chem utah edu \( next mail \)
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject countersteering faq please post organization university east anglia lines 46 egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) writes article zen sys uea ac uk , mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes ed 1 us argue gyroscopes , etc , throughly understand ed technique countersteering including ones think countersteer way corner \? \? ed well way decreasing radius corner , anyway maybe riding around ever decreasing circle lies eventually leads truth official line \( though doubts \) front brake applied first , followed rear brake , idea avoid locking rear weight transfer takes place 's official line taught rider education classes refering , also n't teach countersteering , question quality classes , though unfortunately official line one adhere want get full licence examiner 's guidelines laid government , basic rider education courses choice follow surprises none rider groups , either mag make much noise fact riding test requires ride three feet time order pass , front brake must applied rear , keep looking shoulder time \( instead justified \) 's probably , ca n't think moment riding test could bit include real world survival skills less woefully simplistic crap contains , accident figures would \( imho \) reduce still n't think include countersteering knowledge test though \)
nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \( david nye \) subject amusing atheists agnostics organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 31 reply timmbake mcl ucsb edu \( bake timmons kind ignorance demonstrated every post newsgroup instance , generalizations christianity popular newsgroup reading \? anti christian posts virtually response christian posting burn hell kind drivel i'm soft atheist \( courtesy faq \) , even know enough bible see repeatedly warns false prophets preaching name god bake , obvious theist pretending atheist probably think clever , see time possibilities creator eternity carry much emotional power dismiss merely basis line course dismissed atheist , right \? like religion , hard atheism faith words , n't read faq david nye \( nyeda cnsvax uwec edu \) midelfort clinic , eau claire wi patently absurd whoever wishes become philosopher must learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell
v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( neil b gandler \) subject opinions 88 89 pontiac bonneville organization university buffalo lines 10 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsb cc buffalo edu market buy used car particularly interested pontiac bonneville budget 7 8 thousand would able afford 88 89 engines available time know n't redesign 1992 model year reliability past models would appreciate advice information neil gandler
35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca subject area code edmonton , alberta , canada organization university western ont , london nntp posting host hydra uwo ca lines 17 article 1993apr22 magnus acs ohio state edu , kfrank magnus acs ohio state edu \( kevin frank \) writes i'm trying get ahold directory assistance operator edmonton , need area code know , please e mail directly little time scan posts much appreciated ! ! ! geez , n't realize things bad ohio state ca n't afford phone books , even operators probably clinton 's fault , n't 8 \) 403 paul 35002 2765 uwovax uwo ca
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject question virgin mary organization university south africa lines 25 article may 9 05 39 11 1993 athos rutgers edu db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) writes noted monophysite egypt syria also hold belief part divine revelation , even though broke away unity chruch 451 ad rejecting council chalcedon might argued protestants catholics orthodox made belief , monophysites , put big hole notion , also hold belief , split chruch belief first writing \( far known , much lost time fathers \) belief churches egypt syria \( \) monophysite false , belief often held council chalcedon misunderstandings exacerbated political factors , thus led schism schism way healed steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
tac world std com \( chan \) subject hey red sox fans ! organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 13 paula koufax cv hp com \( paul andresen \) writes woof ! , hate , sometimes get urges powerful overcome quote sportscenter ooo ooo hey , bosio threw hell red sox fan going say heck remeber matt young last year \? ick tac
jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( joseph charles achkar \) subject blues shutout hawks , lead series 3 0 nntp posting host cec1 organization washington university , st louis mo lines 118 4 23 93 blues shutout hawks , lead series 3 0 great atmosphere last night st louis arena joseph blues shutout hawks second consecutive game people cheering blues long face time , kept going entire game friends went celebrating early morning hours players 's game summary st louis post enjoy dave post dispatch staff 10 24 p friday night , arena crowd 17 , 965 paid blues goalie curtis joseph fans began , arms extended , taking lead fan held sign read god saves joseph fitting tribute joseph , brought blues verge surprising sweep joseph recorded second successive shutout friday , blanking blackhawks 3 0 game 3 norris division semifinals giving blues 3 0 lead best seven series blackhawks n't scored joseph since 8 51 mark second period game 1 joseph shut blackhawks 151 minutes 9 seconds , blues record jacques plante held previous record 146 28 , set first round 1969 playoffs philadelphia flyers , one two series blues history blues wrap first sweep since 1969 victory game 4 , nationally televised game begins noon sunday blues two sweeps franchise history , 1969 , swept philadelphia los angeles en route stanley cup finals shutout friday easier wednesday game 2 joseph make 47 saves time , blues held shots 34 , blackhawks could n't touch joseph well , touched joseph , numerous times , shoving pushing every opportunity try get game joseph blues , punishment along way blues' bob bassen , rich sutter , kevin miller dave lowry wore blackhawks , taking visitors chicago game set stage boys , gifted scorers , made opportunities craig janney , brett hull nelson emerson scored , getting one goal period hull assisted janney 's first period power play goal two unwise chicago penalties checker miller set hull 's goal second period , rookie denny felsner assisted emerson , scored 16 44 final period blues fans jumped feet celebration goal began yelling sweep sweep also taunted chicago goalie ed belfour four bell four also chanted , na na na , hey hey good bye talk tad premature 's still one game left , blues roll blackhawks heels blues set tone early friday two crunching hits first minute play rich sutter leveled bryan , brendan shanahan dumped steve smith center ice chicago tried retaliate , troy murray 's decision run joseph referee dan marouelli gave roughing penalty blues n't get shot goal power play , survived scare chicago killed penalty rick zombo gave puck away steve larmer joseph stopped larmer 's shot everything else chicago threw first period ignored scouting report joseph shooting high continued shoot low , joseph 's style deadly rookie bret hedican picked three consecutive penalties midway period two hooking one holding chicago got two shots goal , many miller blues' penalty killer twice stole puck missed good scoring chances belfour marouelli began calling penalties blackhawks even things caught brent sutter hooking shanahan four seconds hedican 's third penalty called janney along boards 14 58 , gave blues two man advantage 1 07 later christian ruuttu slashed shanahan blues worked around puck ensuing power play , hull got likes high slot hull 's shot hit belfour 's right shoulder , puck bounced close goal line belfour back cover , puck squirted loose janney , poked net 16 53 first goal playoffs blues continued relentless hitting period ended , blackhawks lost joe murphy tripped ron wilson two seconds remaining period , time expired smith upset blues shooting puck blues' bench chris chelios made move toward joseph teams left ice , marouelli slapped 10 minute misconduct chicago survived blues' power play , loss chelios hurt n't return midway point period , within three minutes return , hull increased blues' lead 2 0 , miller 's crisp pass try might , blackhawks could n't get joseph , stopped everything could throw stopped 12 shots second period 13 third chicago also hit twice emerson 's goal put game away went hard net redirected felsner 's pass \) l l e z l e b l u e ! ! ! joe ashkar contact blues saint louis jca2 cec1 wustl edu \( \) blues
2545500 jeff lab queensu ca \( peter pundy \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) reply 2545500 jeff lab queensu ca organization queens university x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 33 guess real question asked original questions , broad talking pure processing power \( kind processing btw \) isolated every factor influence system \? shopping home computer based cpu specs \( yuck \) ! finished project involves real time processing serial data discovered programming interface \( assembly \) lot power cpu particular application want easy code instruction set given , easy , 's cheap quick fake things \( like resolving without lea instruction \) , cycle count goes roof ! well , let 's start flame war whose computer better whose orginal question micro processors read entire thread , n't think much said without getting specific proposed systems important details given 's another 0 02 cheers everyone peter pundy email 2545500 jeff lab queensu ca 've got witty wisdom share , nice day anyway
crd ge com \( wes \) subject discussions alt psychoactives nntp posting host 144 219 40 1 organization ge corp r center , schenectady ny lines 3 serious discussion drugs vs get good bong , man \? group moderated \? would eliminate idiots
harris athena mit edu \( jonathan g harris \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host 558 1 mit edu benzene acetone benzene carcinogen , skin cause cumulative damage bone marrow essential production blood cells highly toxic one exposure unlikely kill , likely hidden damage benzene one compound chemists try like hell avoid using ! acetone much less toxic , highly flammable volatile also dissolves lots things handle great care ! jonathan g harris department chemical engineering , mit rm 66 450 25 ames street , cambridge , 02139 harris athena mit edu \( 617 \) 253 fax 253
lamontg u washington edu subject high times ! ! ! ! ! ! ! organization lines 14 reply lamontg u washington edu nntp posting host mead u washington edu originator lamontg mead u washington edu rubble leland stanford edu \( adam heath clark \) writes seems large part christianity based notion right religion , way looking universe flat wrong old days inquisition burning heretics pat buchanan trying start cultural war ca n't stand live country , non god fearing people survival trait fixed number resources \( people \) religions inhabit doctrines intolerance using birth control devices whereby meme \( capital r \) religion christianity gains larger share population memetic competitors
brad utkvx utk edu \( , eric bradley \) subject news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization university tennessee computing center lines 3 anybody know get graphics work shop \? brad utkvx utk edu
f54oguocha edison usask ca subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization university saskatchewan lines 20 nntp posting host edison usask ca previous article , josip eng umd edu \( josip loncaric \) wrote actually , first world war , many muslims killed serbs serbian led regime two world wars , many croats also killed \( especially dictatorship introduced jan 6 , 1929 \) josip , please , n't offended question muslims bosnian context \? know moslem muslim believer islam islam religion practised many parts world , yes definitely , ethinic group ok ! , bosnian muslims , \? ethnic group belong \? language \( \) speak \? different language serbs croats \? way western press use word 'muslim' bosnian debacle kept wondering meaning muslim moslem knew childhood changed dictionary question flames intended ! oguocha
robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) subject still cold , organization institute cognitive studies , u c berkeley lines 18 nntp posting host cogsci berkeley edu article ccu umanitoba ca klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) writes hoc agate berkeley edu robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) writes andy , ever going get straight \? yanks self satisfied 's canadians parochial , yanks midway invasion florida n't even aware yet typical first attempt foriegn policy , one even notices canadians even make boring michael robinson uucp ucbvax ! cogsci ! robinson internet robinson cogsci berkeley edu
slack sim es com \( tim \) subject pc vga driver available via ftp \? organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 9 reply slack sim es com nntp posting host slack user bbs accidentally deleted vga driver card backup wondering someone knew ftp site \( path , please ! \) thing might obtained thanks religion man good curry call lizard 's den bbs \( 801 \) usenet , , , pc amiga tim aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist exclusively represent
hed cats ucsc edu \( magic fingers \) subject pov ray related group needed organization university california santa cruz lines 32 nntp posting host ucsc edu hed cats ucsc edu \( magic fingers \) writes article 1993may13 exucom com cyberman exucom com \( stephen r phillips \) writes takes making alt group , \? 've following thread , , two months \? alt created 2 purposes 1 groups fit comp 'official' hierarchies 2 fast creation hot new newsgroups like alt gulf war voting process control facilities , sites free decide carry \( \) alt groups therefore , \( think \) desirable try create comp graphics raytrace , rendering whatever alt group wouter good point someone working \? 'd offer time help manage 'll going hear summer i'm trying , progress made \( pov mailing list \) hed advertisement advertisement miss one time sale sale sale sale ! h e tech selling thier model series geek ! limited time offer , 300 reduction usual price 8000 dollars buy one ! wait , sale ends sunday ! advertisement
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject personal michael reply joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) distribution na organization lines 8 michael , sent inquiry bmw mailing list , sw replaces return addr list addr ca n't reply manually add please see post list contact directly joe senner joe rider cactus org bmw mailing list bmw rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org
kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) subject free moral agency organization case western reserve university lines 21 distribution na nntp posting host b64635 student cwru edu keywords another thread destined kill file article lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) writes myth refer convoluted counterfeit athiests created make religion appear absurd counterfeit atheists hmmmm , 're cheap knock offs true atheists must theists disguise event , n't need create religious parodies look actual religions absurd thoughts 0m jack handey 0m go , parachute n't open , friends watching fall , think funny gag would pretend swimming 0m
mobasser vu vlsi ee vill edu \( bijan mobasseri \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization villanova university lines 9 seen lots discussion automobile engine configuration let ask similar question aviation field must seen images prop planes cylinders exposed seen 8 cylinders positioned circular fashion prop center circle arrangement always brings geometric dilemma one crankshaft throw accomodate 8 rods pistons displaced visible outside bijan
dbernard clesun central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject civil rights violations reply dbernard clesun central sun com organization sun microsystems lines 11 nntp posting host clesun central sun com eighth amendment 1 \) davidians suffered cruel unusual punishment f escaped imprisoned without bail without hearing happens time , next day , 'd doubt 'd luck point heard yet , held material witnesses
stdvax \( dirk \) subject 's rush \( fast \) news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization goddard space flight center robotics lab distribution usa lines 33 article 1993apr19 cactus org , boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) writes article mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu \( zauberer \) writes article unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp \( wharfie \) writes remember roads america designed speeds 80 meaning would safe 55 65 roads like autobahn smoother , , wider slightly banked well , 's news 1975 speed limit texas highways 75 speed limit new jersey turnpike \( 95 \) 70 speed limits nevada montana guess n't clear enough said roads designed speeds 80 still safe current 55 65 add saftey margin actually , roads designated safe 80 built 1950 's taking account kinds cars available number would much higher today cars , tires everything else lot believe interstates funded part national defense plan etc requirements move heavy army trucks 70mph still amazing germany cars traveling 155 mph 65 mph 3 4 lane road around washington dc ca n't keep traffic flowing 55 dirk
nfotis ntua gr \( nick c fotis \) subject \( 27 apr 93 \) computer graphics resource listing weekly part 1 3 lines reply nfotis theseas ntua gr \( nick \( nikolaos \) fotis \) organization national technical univ athens archive name graphics resources list part1 last modified 1993 04 27 computer graphics resource listing weekly posting part 1 3 last change 27 april 1993 many faqs , including listing , available archive site pit manager mit edu \( alias rtfm mit edu \) 18 172 1 27 directory pub usenet news answers name faq archived appears archive name line top article faq archived graphics resources list part 1 3 's mail server machine send e mail message mail server pit manager mit edu containing keyword help \( without quotes ! \) message body see many places listing see item 0 places find resource listing information items changed arranged subjects , order fir better article limit plan changing headers soon , careful ! resource listing keys sure remain subject line ! 3 computer graphics ftp site list , eric haines 4 mail servers graphics oriented bbses 9 plotting packages i'm thinking making post bi weekly think \? \? \? lines got changed , ` ' character front added lines prepended ` ' removed lines removed use locate changes text \( c \) copyright 1992 , 1993 nikolaos c fotis copy freely file , provided keep copyright notice intact compiled nikolaos \( nick \) c fotis , e mail nfotis theseas ntua gr please contact updates , corrections , etc disclaimer guarantee accuracy document use risk mainly guide computer graphics software would suggest reading comp graphics faq image analysis stuff 's entitled \( date \) comp graphics frequently asked questions \( faq \) john grieggs grieggs jpl devvax jpl nasa gov poster official comp graphics faq included comments within ' ' ' ' nikolaos fotis contents resource listing part1 0 places find resource listing 1 archie 2 notes 3 computer graphics ftp site list , eric haines 4 mail servers graphics oriented bbses 5 ray tracing graphics related mailing lists 6 3d graphics editors public domain , free shareware systems b commercial systems 7 scene description languages 8 solids description formats part2 9 plotting packages 10 image analysis software image processing display part3 11 scene generators geographical data maps data files 12 3d scanners digitized 3d data 13 background imagery textures datafiles 14 introduction rendering algorithms ray tracing b z buffer \( depth buffer \) c others 15 find geometric data teapot \? b space shuttle \? 16 image annotation software 17 scientific visualization stuff 18 molecular visualization stuff 19 gis \( geographical information systems software \) future additions please send updates info ! 0 places find resource listing file crossposted comp graphics , comp answers news answers , ca n't locate comp graphics , 're advised search comp answers news answers \( latter groups usually archived site contact sysadmin info \) 3 articles posted comp graphics 3 4 times month kept many places \( see \) many faqs , including one , available archive site pit manager mit edu \( alias rtfm mit edu \) 18 172 1 27 directory pub usenet news answers name faq archived appears archive name line top article faq archived graphics resources list part 1 3 's mail server machine send e mail message mail server pit manager mit edu containing help subject field inria graphlib mail server mirrors posting \( see subject 4 mail servers \) resource listing wais machine eas asu edu \( port 8000 \) name graphics resources list 's got digest type line every numbered item purposes indexing another place monitors listing files info contact robert e maas rem btr com yet another place search faqs general switch \( swiss academic research network \) system switzerland interactive telnet nic switch ch 130 59 1 40 , login info move info service usenet periodic postings directory search file typing word look may read faq faqs directory , decide fetch one following methods ftp login nic switch ch 130 59 1 40 user anonymous enter internet style address prompted password cd info service usenet periodic postings mail send e mail rfc 822 archive server nic switch ch x 400 archive server ou nic switch prmd switch admd c ch enter 'help' receive instructions information required subject header line 1 archie archie service system locate ftp places requested files 's appreciated use archie asking help newsgroups archie servers archie au 139 130 4 6 \( aussie nz \) archie funet fi 128 214 6 100 \( finland \) archie th darmstadt de 130 83 128 111 \( ger \) cs huji ac il 132 65 6 5 \( israel \) archie kyoto u ac jp 130 54 20 1 \( japan \) archie ac kr 163 239 1 11 \( korea \) archie ncu edu tw telnet 140 115 19 24 \( \) archie doc ic ac uk 146 169 3 7 \( uk ireland \) archie sura net 128 167 254 179 \( usa md \) archie unl edu \( password \) \( usa ne \) archie ans net 147 225 1 2 \( usa ny \) archie rutgers edu 128 6 18 15 \( usa nj \) archie nz 130 195 9 4 \( new zealand \) connect archie server telnet type archie username get help type 'help' get , clients call archie without burden telnet session x11 r5 contrib tape , comp sources misc , vol 27 get information use archie via e mail , send mail subject help archie account sites \( note janet pss users united kingdom archie site accessible janet host doc ic ac uk connect specify archie host name archie username \) 2 notes \( excerpted faq article \) please post mail messages saying ca n't ftp , could someone mail \? number automated mail servers send things like response message number sites archive usenet sources newsgroups make available via email query system send message automated server saying something like send comp sources unix fbm , hours days later get file mail 3 computer graphics ftp site list , eric haines computer graphics related ftp sites \( \) , 22 04 93 compiled eric haines , erich eye com nick fotis , nfotis theseas ntua gr ray tracers rayshade great ray tracer workstations , also pc , mac amiga pov son successor dkb trace , written \( questions call drew wells 1244 compuserve com dave buck david buck carleton ca \) art ray tracer good range surface types , part vort package dkbtrace another good ray tracer , reports pcs , mac ii , amiga , unix , vms \( last two x11 previewer \) , etc rtrace portugese ray tracer , patches , csg , 3d text , etc etc ms dos version use djgpp dos extender \( go32 \) exists also , mac port shareware raytracer pcs binary \( 286 287 \) author stephen coy \( coy ssc vax boeing com \) 386 387 \( source \) version available registered users \( us 50 \) direct author ray4 steve hollasch 's 4 dimensional ray tracer renders , , , \( 's separate real time wireframe viewer written gl called wire4 \) mtv , qrt , dbw yet ray tracers , interesting features distributed parallel raytracers xdart distributed ray tracer runs x11 server binaries work decstations , sparcs , hp snakes \( series \) next clients distributed binaries c source inetray network version rayshade 4 0 needs sun rpc 4 0 newer contact andreas \( ant ips id ethz ch \) prt , vm pray parallel ray tracers volume renderers cornell 's volume renderer , devine warren \( fortran \) radiosity \( diffuse lighting \) renderers radiance ray tracer w radiosity effects , greg ward excellent shading models physically based lighting simulation unix x based , though ported amiga pc \( 386 \) india indian radiosity package based radiance sgi rad interactive radiosity package runs sgi machines spaceball includes house database author guy epfl ch rad simple public domain radiosity package c solution run stand alone unix box , walk requires sgi 4d author bernard kwok g kwok cs yorku ca renderers raytracers , graphics libraries sipp scan line z buffer phong shading renderer uses shadow buffer algorithm tcl sipp tcl command interface sipp rendering program tcl sipp set tcl commands used programmed sipp without write compile c code commands used specify surfaces , objects , scenes rendering options renders either ppm format utah raster toolkit rle format photo widget tk based x11 applications vogle graphics learning environment \( device portable \) vogl sgi gl like library based vogle rend386 fast polygon renderer intel version 2 's , rather real time renderer dr dobb 's journal pc renderer source code , budget texture mapping , wireframe viewers vision 3d mac modeler , output radiance rayshade files irit csg solid modeler , support surfaces x3d wireframe viewer x11 3 wireframe graphics toolkit , c source , objects , stuff look major pc archives like wuarchive one file zip pv3d shareware front end modeler povray , still beta test french docs , price registering 250 french save disabled extra utilities , dxf files registered version geometric viewers salem gl based package et al exploring mathematical structures geomview gl based package looking interactively manipulating 3d objects , geometry center minnesota xyz \( experimental geometry zurich \) workbench geometric computation macintosh computers wire4 gl wireframe previewer steve hollasch 's ray4 \( see \) data formats data sets ray tracing spd set procedural databases testing ray tracers nff simplistic file format used spd another file format p3d file format tddd imagine \( 3d modeler \) format , converters rayshade , nff , , etc also includes nice postscript object great models ttdddlib converts tddd ttddd , , nff , rayshade 4 0 , imagine , vort 3d objects also outputs framemaker mif files isometric views postscript registered users get tex pk font converter surfaces generator glenn lewis intel com note ttdddlib also known chvrtd chapel hill volume rendering test datasets , includes volume sets two heads , brain , knee , electron density maps rna others written material rendering rt news collections articles ray tracing rt bib references articles ray tracing refer format rad bib references articles radiosity \( global illumination \) speer rt bib rick speer 's cross referenced rt bib , postscript rt abstracts collection tom wilson abstracts many rt articles paper bank project various technical papers electronic form contact juhana kouhia jk87377 cs tut fi online bibliography project acm siggraph online bibliography project database 15 , 000 unique computer graphics computational geometry references bibtex format , available computer graphics community research educational resource database located siggraph org users may download bibtex files via ftp peruse offline , telnet siggraph org log biblio interactively search database entries interest , keyword people without internet access , 's also e mail server send mail archive server siggraph org subject body message include message send followed topic wish good place start command send index give date list available information additions corrections suggestions may directed admin , siggraph org image manipulation libraries utah raster toolkit nice image manipulation tools pbmplus great package image conversion manipulation libtiff library reading writing tiff images imagemagick x11 package display interactive manipulation images uses format \( \) , includes converters xv x based image display , manipulation , format converter xloadimage , xli displays various formats x11 screen khoros huge , excellent system image processing , visual programming interface much much uses x windows fbm another set image manipulation tools , somewhat old img image manipulation , displays x11 screen , bit old plays fli animation x11 plays resolution fli along gif 's \( including gif89a animation extensions \) , dl 's amiga iff animations \( 3 , 5 , j , l \) iff pictures \( including ham , color cycling \) sdsc sdsc image tools package \( san diego supercomputing center \) image manipulation conversion clrpaint 24 bit paint program sgi 24bit workstations 8bit libraries code graphics graphics gems , ii , iii code ever useful books spline patch tar z spline patch ray intersection routines sean graves kaleido computation 3d display uniform polyhedra mirrored wuarchive package computes \( displays \) properties 75 polyhedra author dr zvi , e mail rl gauss technion ac il \( \) means site official distributor , date north america \( please look things continent first \) wuarchive wustl edu 128 252 135 4 graphics graphics get contents file graphics graphics objects tddd ttddd objects converters , mirrors unix c graphics rayshade ray tracer , mtv ray tracer , vort ray tracer , fbm , pbmplus , , utah raster toolkit mirrors msdos graphics dkb ray tracer , fli demos pub rad tar z sgi rad , graphics graphics radiosity radiance indian radiosity package msdos zip version 21 , fast texture mapping 's lots , including , graphics gems ii code , , rtn , radiance , nff , sipp , spline patch intersection routines , textbook errata , source code roy hall 's book illumination color computer generated imagery , etc graphics graphics packages kaleido kaleido george kyriazis kyriazis turing cs rpi edu princeton edu 128 112 128 1 pub graphics \( note capital g \) rayshade 4 0 ray tracer \( separate 387 executable \) , color quantization code , spd , rt news , wilson 's rt abstracts , rt bib , utah raster toolkit , newer fbm , graphics gems , ii iii code pub graphics directory salem stuff craig kolb cek princeton edu replaces weedeater math yale edu note capital g pub graphics 's trouble princeton 's incoming area , upload rayshade specific stuff weedeater math yale edu 128 36 23 17 alfred ccs carleton ca 134 117 1 1 pub dkbtrace dkb ray tracer , pub pov ray pov 0 compuserve group ray tracer \( pov \) david buck david buck carleton ca avalon chinalake navy mil 129 131 31 11 3d objects \( multiple formats \) , utilities , file format documents site created 3d object repository net francisco x dejesus dejesus archimedes chinalake navy mil omicron cs unc edu 152 2 128 159 pub softlab chvrtd chapel hill volume rendering test datasets ftp mv com 192 80 84 1 official ftp repository essex ac uk 155 245 115 161 pilot european image processing archive directory synth something like , image synthesis packages adrian clarke alien essex ac uk berkeley edu 128 32 142 237 tcl extensions 0b tar z tcl sipp mark markd grizzly com markd neosoft com acs cps msu edu 35 8 56 90 pub sass x window fonts converter rayshade 3 0 polygons , rayshade animation tool \( \) ron sass sass cps msu edu hobbes lbl gov 128 3 12 38 radiance ray trace radiosity package greg ward lbl gov geom umn edu 128 101 25 31 pub geomview geomview contact \( geomview \) software geom umn edu ftp arc umn edu 137 66 130 11 pub gvl tar z latest version bob , icol raz source , manual , man pages , binaries irix 4 0 5 included \( bob real time volume renderer \) pub contains also many volume datasets ken chin ken ahpcrc umn edu ftp kpc com 144 52 120 9 pub graphics steve hollasch 's thesis , pub graphics ray4 ray4 , pub graphics wire4 wire4 pub mirror avalon mirror avalon 's 3d objects repository steve hollasch hollasch kpc com lerc nasa gov 139 88 54 33 programs hollasch 4d ray4 , sgi explorer modules postscript manual , etc zamenhof cs rice edu 128 42 1 75 pub graphics formats various electronic documents many object image formats mark hall foo cs rice edu apparently longer maintaining , see ftp ncsa uiuc edu rascal ics utexas edu 128 83 144 1 misc mac vision 3d facet based modeller , output rayshade radiance files ftp ncsa uiuc edu 141 142 20 50 misc file formats graphics formats contains various image object format descriptions many tools various directories , e g sgi alpha shape 1 0 tar z 3d alpha shape visualizer \( sgi machines \) , sgi 0 z interactive visualization analysis 3d geometrical structures koziol koziol ncsa uiuc edu noao edu 140 252 1 1 iraf iraf astronomy package ftp ipl rpi edu 128 113 14 50 sigma erich spd images haines thesis images pub images various 24 8 bit image stills sequences kevin martin sigma ipl rpi edu ftp psc edu 128 182 66 148 pub p3d p3d 2 0 tar p3d scene language renderers joel psc edu ftp ee lbl gov 128 3 254 68 pbmplus tar z , rayshade data files jef poskanzer jef ace ee lbl gov george lbl gov 128 3 196 93 pub ccs lib ccs tar z ccs \( complex conversion system \) , standard software interface image processing hanauma stanford edu 36 51 0 16 pub graphics comp graphics best comp graphics \( extensive \) , ray tracers dbw , mtv , qrt , joe joe hanauma stanford edu ftp uu net 192 48 96 2 graphics irit , rt news back issues \( complete \) , nurbs models , graphics related material graphics jpeg jpegsrc v \? tar z independent jpeg group package reading writing jpeg files freebie engin umich edu 141 212 68 23 utah raster toolkit , spencer thomas thomas eecs umich edu export lcs mit edu 18 24 0 12 contrib pbmplus , image magick , xloadimage , xli , xv , img , lots pub mit demos gpc ncga graphics performance characterization \( gpc \) suite life rpi edu 128 113 10 2 pub ray kyriazis ray tracer george kyriazis kyriazis turing cs rpi edu cs utah edu 128 110 4 21 pub utah raster toolkit , nurbs databases jamie painter jamie cs utah edu gatekeeper dec com 16 1 0 2 pub dec tar z models , also gpc benchmark files \( planned , checked \) rost rost kpc com hubcap clemson edu 130 127 8 1 pub amiga incoming imagine stuff amiga imagine turbo silver ray tracers pub amiga ttdddlib ttdddlib pub amiga incoming imagine objects many objects glenn lewis intel com pprg eece unm edu 129 24 24 10 pub khoros khoros image processing package \( huge , great \) danielle danielle bullwinkle unm edu expo lcs mit edu 18 30 0 212 contrib pbmplus portable bitmap package , bitmap collection , raveling img , xloadimage jef poskanzer jef well sf ca us venera isi edu 128 9 0 32 pub img tar z img tar z image manipulation , pub images rgb separation photos paul raveling raveling venera isi edu ucsd edu 128 54 16 1 graphics utah rle toolkit , pbmplus , fbm , databases , mtv , dbw ray tracers , world map , stuff updated much recently engr wisc edu 128 104 52 10 pub x3d 2 2 tar z x3d pub xdart 1 1 xdart mark spy engr wisc edu sgi com 192 48 153 1 graphics tiff tiff 6 0 spec libtiff software pics also much sgi gl related stuff \( e g opengl manuals \) sam leffler sam sgi com berkeley edu libtiff stuff surya waterloo edu 129 97 129 72 graphics fbm , ray tracers ftp sdsc edu 132 249 20 22 sdsc ftp brl mil 128 63 16 158 brl cad information get brl cad package ray tracer images various test images texture library also begun lee butler butler brl mil cicero cs umass edu 128 119 40 189 texture temp 512x512 grayscale textures , julien flack julien scs leeds ac uk karazm math uh edu 129 7 7 6 pub graphics shar 12 90 z wilson 's rt abstracts , vm pray j eric townsend jet karazm math uh edu jet nas nasa gov ftp pitt edu 130 49 253 1 users images 24 bit image archive \( small \) james crawford gl pitt edu ftp tc cornell edu 128 84 201 1 pub vis sunee waterloo edu 129 97 50 50 pub raytracers vivid , rend386 sunee uwaterloo ca archive umich edu 141 211 164 153 msdos graphics pc graphics stuff msdos graphics raytrace apple apple com 130 43 2 2 \? pub prt research att com 192 20 225 2 netlib graphics spd package , polyhedra polyhedra databases \( n't ftp , use netlib automatic mail uucp research ! netlib , internet netlib ornl gov send one line message send index info , send haines graphics get spd \) siggraph org 128 248 245 250 siggraph archive site publications online bibliography project , conference proceedings various electronic formats \( papers , panels \) , siggraph video review information order forms stuff various directories automatic mailer archive server siggraph org \( send index \) ftp cs unc edu 128 109 136 159 pub reaction diffusion greg turk 's work reaction diffusion textures , x windows code \( siggraph '91 \) avs ncsc org 128 109 178 23 ftp volume datasets boston workshop volume visualization '92 site also international avs center terry ncsc org uvacs cs virginia edu 128 143 8 100 pub suit demo sparc , dec , etc suit \( simple user interface toolkit \) finger suit uvacs cs virginia edu get detailed instructions nexus yorku ca 130 63 9 66 pub reports radiosity code tar z rad pub reports radiosity thesis ps z rad msc thesis site changed ftp yorku ca near future milton u washington edu 128 95 136 1 ftp public veos veos virtual reality distributed applications prototyping environment unix veos software support veos support washington edu fly fly ! 3d visualization software demo package built fly various datasets near real time binaries many platforms also , much virtual reality stuff umich edu 141 211 184 2 x 3d files \( lcd glass shutter amiga computers great vr stuff ! \) acs syr edu 128 230 24 1 various stereo pair images closed \( sunsite unc edu 152 2 22 81 pub academic computer science virtual reality final copy acs syr edu archive ceased exist contains powerglove code , vr papers , 3d images irc research material jonathan sunsite unc edu archive cis ohio state edu 128 146 8 52 pub code siggraph '92 course 23 \( procedural modeling rendering techniques \) dr david ebert ebert cis ohio state edu lyapunov ucsd edu 132 239 86 10 machine considered repository programs nonlinear dynamics , signal processing , related subjects \( fractals , course ! \) matt mbk ucsd edu cod nosc mil 128 49 16 5 pub grid ps , tex , ascii short survey methods interpolate contour data ics uci edu 128 195 1 1 honig various stereo pair images , movie c movie x display \( 8 bit mono \) digital subtraction taurus cs nps navy mil 131 120 1 13 pub dabro cyberware demo tar z human head data pioneer unm edu 129 24 9 217 pub texture maps hans du buf 's grayscale test textures \( aerial , textures , synthetic \) space planetary image repository provides access 150 cd roms data images \( 3 line time \) pub info beginner info start browsing colby opus pioneer unm edu cs brown edu 128 148 33 66 srgp sphigs info srgp sphigs mail cs brown edu pdb pdb bnl gov 130 199 144 1 data various organic molecules , bonds different atoms , etc atomic coordinates \( load stuff \) contained ent files , actual atomic seem missing could convert data pov , rayshade , etc bio ns ca 142 2 20 2 pub art renoir paintings , 's pictures , etc ee umanitoba ca sample set images cd rom \( images atomic landscapes , advanced semiconductors , experimental surface chemistry among others \) contact ee umanitoba ca explorer dgp toronto edu 128 100 1 129 pub sgi clrpaint clrpaint pub sgi clrview clrview , tool aids visualization gis datasets may formats like dxf , dem , arc info , etc ames arc nasa gov 128 102 18 3 pub space cdrom images magellan viking missions etc get pub space index first pub spacelink spacelink service data \( see \) e mail server available send mail archive server ames arc nasa gov \( ames ! archive server \) subject help send space index \( without quotes ! \) peter yee yee ames arc nasa gov pubinfo jpl nasa gov 128 149 6 2 images , data , etc jpl missions modem access \( 818 \) 354 1333 \( parity , 8 data bits , 1 stop bit \) jplpost jpl nasa gov phone \( 818 \) 354 spacelink msfc nasa gov 128 158 13 250 \( passwd guest \) space graphics gif images nasa 's planetary probes hubble telescope main function support teachers \( telnet also site \) dial access \( 205 \) 895 0028 \( 300 1200 2400 9600 \( v 32 \) baud , 8 bits , parity , 1 stop bit \) stsci edu 130 167 1 2 hubble space telescope stuff \( images data \) read readme first ! pete reppert reppert stsci edu chris stsci edu pit manager mit edu 18 172 1 27 pub usenet news answers land faqs graphics pictures directories particular interest also available mail server pit manager mit edu sending mail message containing help uucp archive avatar rt news back issues details , write avatar avatar com europe nic funet fi 128 214 6 100 pub sci papers paper bank project , including pete shirley 's entire thesis \( pics \) , wilson 's rt abstracts , pub misc cia cia world data bank , comp graphics research archive , india , much , much juhana kouhia jk87377 cs tut fi epfl ch 128 178 62 2 radiance good european sites , n't carry add ons available radiance isy liu se 130 236 1 3 pub sipp sipp 3 0 tar z sipp scan line z buffer phong shading renderer jonas jonas isy liu se irisa fr 131 254 2 3 vm pray ray tracer , spd , nff many non spd nff format scenes , rayshade data files irisa irisa fr may disappeared phoenix oulu fi 130 231 240 17 fli animation files \( pc vga \) also big \( 640 480 \) demos americans check wuarchive first animations come jari hole phoenix oulu fi jyu fi 128 214 7 5 pub graphics ray traces many ray tracers , including vm pray , dbw , dkb , mtv , qrt , rayshade , rt news , nff files jari jyu fi garbo uwasa fi 128 214 87 1 much pc stuff , etc , pc source contour f fortran program contour scattered data using linear triangle based interpolation asterix inescn pt 192 35 246 17 pub rtrace rtrace tar z \( nff utilities rtrace \) , medical data \( cat , etc \) converters nff , autocad nff code , autocad 11 scn \( rtrace 's language \) converter goodies antonio costa \( acc asterix inescn pt \) vega hut fi 128 214 3 82 graphics rtn archive , ray tracers \( mtv , qrt , others \) , nff , models shut months ago , check nic funet fi nfotis sun4nl nl 192 16 202 2 pub graphics raytrace dbw , mtv , etc unix hensa ac uk misc unix ralcgm ralcgm tar z cgm viewer converter 's e mail server also mail archive unix hensa ac uk message body send misc unix ralcgm ralcgm tar z mt se 130 240 0 25 graphics raytracing prt , others , doc wilson 's rt abstracts , vivid ftp fu berlin de 130 20 225 2 pub unix graphics 0 inputs aq tar z rayshade americans check princeton edu first \) math fu berlin de ethz ch 129 132 17 1 pub inetray inetray sun rpc 4 0 code andreas ant ips id ethz ch id dk 129 142 65 24 pub amiga graphics radiance amiga port radiance 2 0 per id dk ftp informatik uni oldenburg de 134 106 1 9 pov raytracer mirrored wuarchive , many goods pov pub dkbtrace incoming polyray polyray raytracer pub dkbtrace incoming pv3d pv3d ftp uni kl de 131 246 9 95 pub amiga raytracing imagine mirror hubcap imagine files neptune inf ethz ch 129 132 101 33 xyz xyz peter inf ethz ch unibe ch 130 92 64 10 graphics l system interpreter christoph iam unibe ch amiga physik unizh ch 130 60 80 80 amiga gfx graphics stuff amiga computer stesis hq eso org 134 171 8 100 line access huge astronomical database \( login starcat passwd \) decnet stesis \( 's space telescope european coordination facility \) benoit eso org , phone 49 89 320 06 433 middle east gauss technion ac il 132 68 112 60 kaleida australia gondwana ecr mu oz au 128 250 70 62 pub vort \( art \) ray tracer , vogle , wilson 's ray tracing abstracts , pub contrib \( art scenes italy \) , pub images haines haines thesis images , graphics gems code , spd , nff databases , nff previewers , plus 8 24bit images lots stuff pub rad tar z sgi rad bernie kirby bernie ecr mu oz au munnari oz au 128 250 1 21 pub graphics vort tar z vort \( art \) 2 1 csg algebraic surface ray tracer , vogle , pub dbw , pbmplus graphics room tar z \( art scenes italy \) david hook munnari oz au marsh cs curtin edu au 134 7 1 1 pub graphics bibliography facial animation , pub graphics bibliography morph , pub graphics bibliography ui stuff facial animation , morphing user interfaces pub fascia fred parke 's fascia program valerie hall val cs curtin edu au asia ccu1 auckland ac nz 130 216 3 1 ftp mac architec vision 3d facet based modeller , output rayshade files many neat things macs paul bourke pdbourke ccu1 auckland ac nz users outside nz go wuarchive wustl edu , directory mirrors architec sony co jp 133 138 199 1 sgi facial animation steve franks site facial animation steve franks stevef csl sony co jp stevef cs umr edu 4 mail servers graphics oriented bbses please check first ftp places , archie 's help n't overuse mail servers troubles wrong return addresses many mail servers command like path valid return e mail address get hint sending back stuff dec 's ftpmail send one line message ftpmail decwrl dec com without subject field , line containing word 'help' get back message detailing relevant procedures must follow order get files want note reply answer command mailer work message mail receive ftpmail send requests ftpmail , send original mail message , reply complaints sent ftpmail request uucp gw 2 pa dec com address rather postmaster , since decwrl 's postmaster responsible fixing ftpmail problems bitftp bitnet sites , 's bitftp pucc send one line 'help' message address info red red listserv essentially mail server server sites available location earn bitnet internet turkey trickle trearn trickle ege edu tr denmark trickle italy trickle belgium trickle trickle ac austria trickle germany trickle trickle rus uni stuttgart de israel trickle trickle vm tau ac il netherlands trickle hearn trickle hearn nic nl france trickle trickle fr colombia trickle trickle edu co taiwan trickle twnmoe10 trickle twnmoe10 edu tw urged use one closer location send message one containing body help 'll get instructions lightwave 3d mail based file server mail based file server 3d objects , 24bit jpeg images , gif images image maps online internet mail access server official archive site lightwave 3d mail list contains many pd shareware graphics utilities several computer platforms including amiga , atari , ibm macintosh server resides bbs called graphics bbs bbs operational 24 hours day 7 days week phone number 1 908 469 0049 upgraded modem hayes ultra 144 v 32bis v 42bis , speeds 300bps 38 , would like submit objects , scenes images server , please pack , uuencode mail files address server bobsbox rent com information obtaining files server send mail message address file server graphics rent com following body message help dir help file describing use server complete directory listing sent via mail includes cyberware head ttddd format ! check , ca n't use ftp ! nfotis inria graphlib pierre launched inria graphlib mail server 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vision 3d mac based program written paul bourke \( pdbourke ccu1 aukland ac nz \) program used generate models directly rayshade radiance file formats \( polygons \) 's shareware listed ftp list brl solid modeling system environments including sgi x11 csg nurbs , plus support non manifold geometry whatever get free via ftp signing returning relevant license , found ftp brl mil uses ray tracing engineering analyses contact ms moyer \( 410 \) 273 tel \( 410 \) 272 fax cad dist brl mil e mail snail mail brl cad distribution aberdeen satellite office 1003 old philadelphia road , suite 103 aberdeen md usa irit constructive solid geometry \( csg \) modeling program pc x11 includes surface support free see ftp list find solid modeling program pc written turbo pascal 6 0 ken van camp available simtel , pd1 msdos directory cmu , namely fritz \( elg cmu edu \) 's based non manifold topology ask info , n't know give away xyz2 xyz2 interactive 3 editor builder written dale p create objects , , dkb raytracer packages xyz2 free found , example , simtel20 msdos zip \( dos \? \? \) 3dmod 's msdos program check erc clarkson edu 128 153 28 12 , pub msdos graphics 3dmod undocumented file format \( 3dmod \( c \) 1991 micah silverman , 25 ave , , new york , tel 315 265 shareware , msdos cad zip simtel20 undocumented file format \( vertex \( amiga \) shareware , send 40 us \( check money order \) art machine , sterling heights , mi usa addition standard file formats , including lightwave , imagine , , turbo silver , geo wavefront , release offers 3d professional rayshade support \( rayshade supported primitive triangle , easily include output rayshade scripts \) latest demo , version 1 62 , available fred fish 727 information , contact author , alex , mi org , phone \( 313 \) 939 icoons \( amiga \) 's spline based object modeller \( icoons interactive coons path editor \) amiga physik unizh ch \( gfx 3d 0 \) 's free \( gnu licence \) requires fpu program look feel cross journeyman imagine , generates objects ttddd format possible load journeyman objects icoons , program used convert objects imagine format author e compel dk phone 45 36 72 33 00 , fax 45 36 72 43 00 's also fred fish disk series n 775 nfotis 3d ver 1 1 \( shareware \? \) 's wsmr simtel20 army mil oak oakland edu zip \( pcs \) menu layout file file handling \( load , save , import , xport \) draw draw 2d objects \( line , circle , box \) 3d draw 3d objects \( mesh , sphere , block \) edit editing features \( copy , move \) surface modify objects \( revolve , , sweep \) image image zooming features \( update , window , half \) option global defaults \( grid , , axis \) plot print drawing picture \( go , image \) render shade objects \( frame , lighting , tune \) layer layer options \( select active layer , set colors \) runs windows 3 1 , outputs pov files demo found wuarchive wustl edu mirrors win3 demo zip author michael gibson stein u washington edu b commercial systems alpha 1 spline based modeling program written university utah features splines trimmed nurbs support boolean operations sweeps , bending , warping , flattening etc groups objects , transformations extensible object types applications include nc , animation utilities , , fem analysis , etc rendering subsystem , support animations support following platforms hp 300 800 's \( x11r4 , hp ux 6 5 \) , sgi 4d pi machines \( x11r4 gl , irix 3 3 1 \) , sun sparcstation \( x11r4 , sunos 4 1 1 \) licensing distribution handled egs glenn , president engineering geometry systems 275 east south temple , suite 305 salt lake city , ut \( 801 \) 575 cs utah edu educational pricing charge 675 per platform may run system many different workstations type wish platform also 250 licensing fee portable standard lisp \( psl \) bundled system need obtain additional license university utah psl following address professor robert kessler computer science department university utah salt lake city , utah egs handle licensing psl u institutions 300 usd nominal fee nfotis vertigo educational institution program package used industrial design , architectural , scientific visualization , educational , broadcast , imaging post production fields 'll quoting letter sent nfotis donate fully configured vertigo 3d graphics software worth 29 , per package qualified educational institutions licencing number silicon graphics personal iris power series workstations use iris indigo station , also licence vertigo revolution software \( worth 12 , \) interested participating program please send letter mail fax \( 604 684 \) institution 's letterhead briefly outlining potential uses vertigo together following information 1 unix version 2 model number sgi systems 3 peripheral devices 4 third party software participants asked contribute per institution cover costs manual , administration , shipping recommend vertigo users subscribe technical support services annual fee receive technical assistance support hotline , bug fixes , software upgrades manual updates educational institution waive 750 administration fee support purchased annual support fee 2 , 500 plus following cost additional machines number machines 2 20 20 additional cost per machine 700 600 's also 5 day training program nfotis contact vertigo technology inc suite 1010 1030 west georgia st vancouver , bc canada , phone 604 684 2113 fax 604 684 anyone know offers , alias , , wavefront , etc \? \? \? would interesting part ! ! nfotis 2 basically , 's solid modeling kernel top build application \( \) available license cornell programmable automation cornell university 106 engineering theory center ithaca , ny 14853 license fees low educational institutions gov't agencies internal commercial licenses dissemination licenses available information packet , write address , send address marisa cpa tn cornell edu \( richard marisa \) spatial technology 's solid modelling kernel callable c heard many universities got free copies company person contact regarding academic institutions scott owens , e mail spatial com address spatial technology , inc st , bldg boulder , co 80301 phone \( 303 \) 449 , fax \( 303 \) 449 movie byu cquel byu basically understanding , fem pre post system 's fairly old today , still serves people mech eng depts 's superseded cquel byu \( pronounced sequel \) 's complete modelling , animation visualization package runs usual workstation environments \( sun , dec , hp , sgi , ibm rs6000 , others \) get demo version \( 30 days trial period \) either sending 20 usd address blank tape costs 1 , 500 full run time licence contact engineering computer graphics lab 368 clyde building , brigham young univ provo , ut 84602 phone 801 378 e mail cquel byu edu soon add stuff get reply fax 's volume renderer marketed inc \( fairfield , iowa phone 515 472 \) , running pcs 386 fpu least call info 3d volume renderer windows features include direct ray traced volume rendering , color alpha mapping , gradient lighting , animation , reflections shadows runs pc \( 386 higher \) least 8 bit video card \( svga fine \) windows 3 x costs 495 contact jaguar software inc 573 main st , suite 9b winchester , \( 617 \) 729 world std com \( john w \) 7 scene description languages nff neutral file format , eric haines simple , procedural database generators spd package , many objects floating various ftp sites 's also previewer written hp starbase e haines also 's one written vogle , use devices vogle output \( check sites carrying vogle , like gondwana ecr mu oz au \) object file format , dec 's randy rost \( rost kpc com \) object archive server seems future version , 'll remove ref nfotis available also mail server obtain help using service , send message subject line containing word help null message body object archive server decwrl dec com ftp places get , see relevant place 's previewer sgi 4d machines , called preview godzilla cgl rmit oz au previewers xview sunview , also gondwana tddd 's library 3d objects translators , nff , rayshade , imagine vort objects edited copy announcement follows \( raytracing news , v4 , 3 \) new library 3d objects available via ftp , steve worley \( worley cup portal com \) assembled set 150 3d objects binary format called tddd objects range human figures airplanes , semi trucks lampposts objects freely distributable , describe order convert objects human readable format , file specification tddd included directory objects also shareware system called ttdddlib \( officially hubcap clemson edu \) convert \( ala pbm \) various object formats imagine ttddd \( extension tddd \? \) , , nff , rayshade 4 0 , vort source included amiga unix executables amiga also outputs framemaker mif files isometric views postscript p3d pittsburgh supercomputing center p3d uses lisp slight extensions store three dimensional models simple lisp interpreter included p3d release , need access vendor 's lisp run software mouse driven user interfaces motif , open look , silicon graphics gl , subroutine library generating p3d without ever looking underlying lisp p3d software currently supports nine renderers painter painter 's algorithm , , silicon graphics inc gl language , generic phigs , sun phigs , dec phigs , rayshade , art ray tracer \( vort package \) pixar renderman code available via anonymous ftp machines ftp psc edu , directory pub p3d , nic funet fi , directory pub graphics programs p3d renderman pixar 's renderman free call pixar details 8 solids description formats eec 's esprit project 322 cad \( cad interfaces \) developed neutral file format transfer cad data \( curves , surfaces , solid models cad systems cad \( computer aided analysis \) cam \( computer aided manufacturing \) b iges v 5 1 tries define standard tranfer solid models csg current standard number ansi y14 1987 documentation , might want contact nancy flower ncga technical services standards , 1 800 225 ext 325 cost 100 standard available electronic format c step slowly emerging standard tries encompass geometrical information , also things like fem , etc main bodies besides standard nist darpa get information sending mail cme nist gov putting line send index body \( subject \) area message people rutherford appleton lab also working step tools express compiler exchange file parser , available source form \( free \) research purposes soon also express based database system tools contact mike mead , phone 44 \( 0235 \) 44 6710 \( fax x \) , e mail mm inf rl ac uk ! mcsun ! uknet ! ! mm mm inf rl ac uk nsfnet relay ac uk end part 1 resource listing nick \( nikolaos \) fotis national technical univ athens , greece home 16 esperidon st , internet nfotis theseas ntua gr halandri , gr 152 32 uucp mcsun ! ariadne ! theseas ! nfotis athens , greece fax \( 30 1 \) 77 84 578
dante nmsu edu \( \) subject info needed organization new mexico state university , las cruces , nm lines 58 ok , let see get information gathering venture regarding various expressions christianity churches husband come different , completely christian backgrounds lutheran met born raised church christ member first agreed lot c c , wanted move liturgical based lutheran church something little biblical based however last year , 've changing church christ number reasons one thing fundamentalist believe things bible socio cultural nature n't relate christian doctrine one spots role women believe mary women , chris validated women worthy disciples c c writings paul taken without exception told equal partner marriage lesser member , submit husband things \( hear verse one time \) take active role anything might construed putting authority men \( ie leading prayers , conducting bible studies etc \) last straw elders church came one college groups women wanted man lead study also husband really resent way everyone church feels n't conservative republican n't real christian \( got told nobody voted clinton call christian \) hence subjected service long prayers calling things flatly dont agree also n't agree c c 's dread new movement led young people , church hunting success want reasonably biblical based church women viewed whole people matter calling \( c c really looked career women \) christopher looking church deeply rooted religious convictions , adult baptism church members still bring bibles service confused 're drifting around trying find place feel loved express faith honestly without reservation anyone point us direction 'd thrilled ! i'm afraid hard go back c c even harder stay long responses would welcome family would think somewhere baptist spectrum might find 're looking however issue probably one flavor specific local churches area denomination baptists cover quite spectrum adult baptism sort choices liberal end spectrum historically 's associated movements character 're trying avoid clh
mmc cs rit edu \( mahendra \) subject print within application organization rochester institute technology lines 27 nntp posting host hi , application draws graphs , bar charts etc need include print support within application e user print graphs within clicking print button sure invoke xwd xpr within application specify window id get window dump send file printing ways would appreciate help regard thanx mahendra ps please mail replies regular reader news group post summary sufficient interest mahendra mmc cs rit edu ritvax isc rit edu office residence dept computer science 440 kimball drive rochester institute tech rochester , ny tel 716 475 tel 716 292
rexlex fnal gov subject two babylons organization fnal ad net lines 53 article may 13 02 30 57 1993 geneva rutgers edu mangoe cs umd edu \( charley wingate \) writes seeing two babylons brought , scholarship phony assertions spurious c wingate maybe dig little charles hislop 's scholarship accepted oriental institute , time , institute oriental studies 've stated , 've checked 25 references \( print private libraries \) likes wilkerson layard hold merit came conclusions trouble , find knowledge mysteries yet surpassed highly honored british oriental museum wilkerson known one leading archeologist history layard still refered two 200 yrs archeology regions recently refered time article babylonian archeology phony scholarship review references find misquoted misrepresented conclusions hislop conclusions tickle ears , much self evident assert conclusions spurious without merit gave references conclusions stated , last 25 years used conclusions debates rc seminaries , mention individual priests bishops talked one one counter scholarship made conclusions totally undermined claims rcc showing rcc based mysteries \( others shown even day various articles topics \) tongues movement direct result mysteries entering church , could influence rome , city seven hills \? also , listen conclusions , draw conclusions looking customs , artifacts , dress , purgatory , etc vantage mysteries n't even believer see parallels one example mitre come \? shaped way \? two tails hang back represent \? ancient head dress earlier culture rome time beginnings church state rome \? pagan history behind , , rcc chose regardless \? lay person middle eastern religion answer questions even scriptures refer hislop collect information various sources put one binding lack please tell discredit man accusation , yet present evidence supporting rex
uhura cc rochester edu \( wizard \) subject mike greenwell mo vaughn stat help ! nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 12 dear anybody , rochester , ny , people look rangers penguins playoff game say , joke heard , hey whats , oh , even ahl , nhl , think e get red wings \( orioles aaa \) stats updates al nl stats specifically im looking red sox stats far , id like , could handle greenwell vaughn anybody please help ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! wizard ! ! ! ! ! uhura cc rochester edu
cathy lance colostate edu \( cathy smith \) subject surrender jackson nntp posting host blanca lance colostate edu organization colorado state university , fort collins , co 80523 lines 106 surrender ! delivered jackson rkba rally denver , april 18 , 1993 fact modern life urban residents , particularly women , feel threatened certain number actually threatened immediate threats , things women tell 're afraid noise downstairs night lonely walk car stranger door abusive husband , finally kicked house threatens hurt children mugger rapist told solution \? move get dog keep door locked call police next last resort , learn martial arts always , 's implied question 's pretty little thing like without husband around protect \? n't like dogs \? like living alone \? n't 10 years devote learning \? , examining facts , woman learns rape victims using armed resistance less likely rape completed less likely injured \( kleck , 124 \) using form resistance \( kleck , 126 \) \( also true robbery assault \) \( kleck , 123 \) , horror despair , find citizens cannot depend police effective protection usually respond crime committed truth , supreme court held police responsible protecting individual , whole community society , going ask women , , sacrifice \? going continue deny women ability help \? 's thought neil smith , book probability broach , says 220 pound thug threaten well dignity 110 pound woman two pounds iron even things woman decides protect , easiest , efficient means possible , people especially women horrified , could \? 'd terrified ! ask could hurt someone \? 'll repeat lie 'll get taken away truth , 1 defensive gun uses result offender taking gun away victim \( 122 , kleck \) well , despite lies , social pressure , us already made hard choice 've decided going victimized muggers , rapists 're buying guns every 're learning use teaching others , women men , use importantly , preparing mentally use firearms defense 're taking security , literally , hands 're going stop begging pleading marching intend really take back night 's another threat , mugger , secretive , soul destroying rapist menace government , threatens us know governments , throughout time , suppressed rights oppressed people 's way survive names money , interferes innocent people home abroad lies us , cheats us , steals us threatens us violence one knows exactly 'll next freedom lose government goon decides 's safety know best person acted like government would within inch life locked habitual offender monster called government persists , grows , masters , become unwilling slaves doubt \? file income tax \? like reasonable person , believe afraid something hurt smart , paranoia n't crazy someone 's really make mistake , 're 're names familiar brady reynolds , , , moynihan , clinton 're lucky , 'll settle assault rifles , shotguns , handguns ammunition citizens , two choices two choices given women surrender fight surrender leads , genocide pol pot , , intend surrender battle philosophical political main , people keep government honest threatening vote office , keep mind words thomas jefferson tree liberty must well watered blood patriots patriot , point error government 's ways best vote office protest , write , speak , teach children justice , honor truth always remember rebellion lead bunker hill saratoga lead tiananmen square time comes stand , give life keep going far , tiananmen square future , intend matter lies tell matter laws pass , intend meet something substantial hand brick opinions , course ,
michael flood michael flood channel1 com subject vlb scsi card suggest reply michael flood michael flood channel1 com distribution comp organization channel 1 communications lines 22 wam umd edu \( satan \) wrote someone recommend decent vesa local bus scsi controller card \? saw post ultrastor something , wondering would good choice \? need supported card software like march nt beta recognize buslogic announced fast scsi 2 vlb interface april 20 always happens ! one week old isa version enjoying spectacular performance micropolis 3 5 hh 5200 rpm drive 'll changing soon , though difficult imagine even higher transfer speeds 32bit vesa support call buslogic ask 'em nt question hear support excellent call yet regards channel 1 \( r \) cambridge ,
microsoft com \( gideon yuval \) subject clipper considered harmful organization microsoft corporation lines 21 article pizzabox demon co uk gtoal gtoal com \( graham toal \) writes dorothy denning read group \? , someone group forwarding questions like , martin hellman , anyone else 's seen details chip \? course 's 's often nsa 's keeping head always mail directly denning guvax acc georgetown edu , denning cs cosc georgetown edu denning cs georgetown edu g found personal attacks prof denning pretty disgusting n't agree positions think scholars disagree without argument getting gutter personal attacks stopped prof denning replying issues substance , cause real harm serious debate gideon yuval , microsoft com , 206 882 \( fax 883 \)
tombaker bu edu \( thomas baker \) subject soyuz shuttle comparisons reply tombaker bu edu \( thomas baker \) organization thomas baker , unlimited lines 22 article ofa123 fidonet org david anderman ofa123 fidonet org writes revealing comparison shuttle soyuz cost comparisons apples oranges maximus 2 01wb like statement , though reasons cost comparisons depend lot whether two options similar , becomes revealing consider differences soyuz launch long exposure facility \? course shuttle take television relay leo year 's end \? almost certainly , russians pretty good making space accessible tight schedule comparing ss points two active space launcher work platform resources , similarities differences direct competition , may get see market economics come play tombaker employer 's opinions self employed
subject makarov caldwell8102 mtroyal ab ca 1993apr21 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com 1993apr21 2880 csd newshost stanford edu organization mount royal college , calgary , alberta lines 25 article 1993apr21 2880 csd newshost stanford edu , nlu xenon stanford edu \( nelson lu \) writes n't think sharks dig free agent market good free agents require quite bit compensation , set sharks back far player development goes remember , sharks unwilling give player \( \) addition 2 million offered joe murphy , think 's good approach tried sign sergei makarov season makarov would n't required compensation matching makarov offer real mistake dave king made year wonder intelligence signing 33 year old obviously downside career 4 year 2 million contract risebrough matched offer king 's request makarov spent last quarter season press box work ethic plain stinks mention 's lost step longer get position make nifty passes think makarov available free offseason anybody agrees pay contract 's ineffective calgary , might able help team like san jose , shortage talent 's takers , makarov n't show improvement training camp , think flames bite bullet buy makarov 's contract release current attitude , detriment team alan
ejhupper rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( eric huppertz \) subject 's chime \? distribution usa organization illinois state university lines 17 article nac fnnews fnal gov b91926 fnclub fnal gov \( david sachs \) writes chimes indicate hardware failure type system startup one thing cause chimes cable become bit loose next time power computer , check cables tight remember simple program would play chimes clicked respective buttons anyone know \? circa 1988 , think cheers , e \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) eric j huppertz ejhupper ilstu edu \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) hey , n't rules come think \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) , n't rules
rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) subject hst servicing mission scheduled 11 days originator rdouglas phaedrus stsci edu organization space telescope science institute lines 52 article 1993apr27 samba oit unc edu , bruce scott launchpad unc edu \( bruce scott \) writes boosting hst carrying shuttle would damage , could n't hst brought back earth repair job done \? reboost may problem , enough fuel n't reboost time , definitely one next servicing mission try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload two shuttle flights would required , adding horrendous expense \? course concern , loss science time ground plus fear comes , big wig might allow go back main concern , believe danger landing add another bad , also increase risk damaging instrument finally , chance nasa prove could build service space station hubble designed flight servicing bringing telescope , understanding , considered even recently , factors contribute decision way planned beginning , dr bruce scott deadliest bullshit max planck institut fuer transparent bds aug ipp garching mpg de w gibson rob rob douglas space 3700 san martin drive ai software engineer telescope baltimore , md 21218 , usa advance planning systems branch science phone \( 410 \) 338 internet rdouglas stsci edu institute fax \( 410 \) 338 disclaimer type opinions mine ! unless course fall standard intellectual property guidelines intellect , doubt besides , useful intellectual property , think would type \? rob douglas space 3700 san martin drive ai software engineer telescope baltimore , md 21218 , usa advance planning systems branch science phone \( 410 \) 338
jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization boston university physics department lines 39 article 1993apr21 bnr ca \( rashid \) writes article bu edu , jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) wrote think many reading group would also benefit knowing deviant view 've articulated \( may true view khomeini \) basic principles islam non muslim readers group see far simple basics islam views face contradiction basics islam , subtle issues seems sects exist islam explicitly proscribed qur'an discussing fine shall start new thread called , say , infallibility islam move discussion \? think illuminating let make first suggestion arabic words , especially technical ones , become use let us define , especially atheists , may terribly familiar please also note though initially refer khomeini heretic understood claim rejected since personal infallibility , withdraw basis statement retain reference regard khomeini 's advocacy thesis infallibility called twelve imams , clear conflict qur'an places twelve imams category behavior example higher muhammad , qur'an shows prophet clearly fallible , well \( appears , given theological statment regarding natures twelve imams \) placing different metaphysical category remainder humanity , possible exception muhammad , something sin association salam laikum , gregg
jmeritt mental mitre org subject rawlins listening devil organization utexas mail news gateway lines 5 nntp posting host cs utexas edu god appeared spoke , saying rawlins listening , taken satanic words ! , tell divine inspiration comes one true god comes satanic \?
hoss panix com \( felix cat \) subject med school organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 38 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 john carey \( news weeg uiowa edu \) wrote actually entering vet school next year , question relevant med students large amounts never strong point academically since major portion medical education anatomy , histology , pathology , , part mass memorization little concerned sure med students anyone suggest techniques type memorization \? reasonable success memory tricks like thinking little stories associate unrelated things never applied large amounts data anyone luck particular books , memory systems , cheap software \? suggest helpful organizational techniques \? older student returned school year , organization \( another one weak points \) major help success please learn material conceptually problem , one strong points ca n't get around fact much medicine memorization thanks help suggestion think top head get large supply index cards memorize small amounts info time , making flash cards everytime get question wrong always manage get damn thing right next time felix cat 0 0 wonderful , wonderful cat ! meow ! hoss panix com
njs lahabra chevron com \( n j \) subject upcoming tv schedule reply njs chevron com distribution na organization chevron , la habra , ca lines 26 article hsdndev harvard edu , nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) writes hey , guess 's coming espn change \? playoff n't involve pens anything wrong espn games thursday pens devils 7 30 \( gary thorne bill clement \) saturday caps ny isles 7 30 \( tom mees john davidson \) abc game sunday pens devils 1 00 \( gary thorne bill clement \) eastern time zone pacific get kings vs calgary espn named 2 broadcast team tuesday paired tom mees \( play play \) john davidson \( analyst \) ppv mark nancy j , division n't know fact p chevron petroleum technology co g elvis working shop e p box 446 , la habra , ca beaver falls , 'd swear n tel \( 310 \) 694 njs chevron com driving truck scotty baldwin
jbs rti rti org subject gun buy back organization joe 's bar grill distribution na lines 156 article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article 1993apr22 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs hopefully impact accidental shootings \( especially youths \) , domestic disputes gun available heat emotion anger , maybe keep guns stolen later used street level crime gives idea gun buyback programs impact things \? evidence , please \? please n't saying joe making point tha evidence effect gun buyback programs hopefully effect may prevent injuries deaths one types common incidents saying hopefully effect policy x much different saying hopefully effect policy x 've made statements former describes reasonably likely outcome policy x , perhaps policy x worthy consideration latter statement something base policy decisions ! firearms fifth leading cause unintentional deaths among children ages 14 according groups like center prevent handgun violence \( formerly national coalition ban handguns interesting name change , n't think \? \) include murder suicide firearms leading causes unintentional death \) figures n't include murder suicide means causes unintentional death ca n't see past bullshit \? n't understand ratio accidental deaths important guns n't kill many children car accidents difference severity 1 , 000 deaths 10 , 000 deaths \? trying use accidental gun related deaths among children justification gun control needs convinced accidental gun deaths children serious problem \? assumed humane person would concerned 10 year old got hold parents gun bedroom drawer accidently blew away one friends certainly accidental deaths cause serious things anti gun groups insist accidental death firearms serious problem , even n't use deaths justification gun control , groups i'm sorry jumped conclusions reason mentioning accidental deaths due firearms something warranted concern , light statement staunch supporter gun control measures , think conclusion reasonable one fact remains tragic though individual accidental gun deaths may , serious problem statistically speaking please explain think symbolic offerings good point , gun buyback programs almost always run police departments might \( stress might \) little \( stress little \) good giving people impression police attempting respond interpersonal gun violence unique way overall , thought made clear think gun buyback programs useful sorry n't clear thought view buyback programs talk symbolic offerings hopefully preventing accidents heat passion shootings disagree counts ca n't understand buying guns people n't intending misuse \( obviously want use guns commit crimes n't going turn \) could construed positive way police respond interpersonal violence suggest go back look wherever saw statistics suspect 'll find look carefully 135 , 000 number students estimated carried weapon \( necessarily gun \) school least past year , number students carry gun school daily well joe , suggest talk center prevent handgun violence , people publish figures saying many children commit suicide handguns alone year fbi says commit suicide methods per year \? think believe \? people call everyone age 24 children 're screaming carnage nation 's children caused handguns \? centers disease control ah , yes , agency considers accidental shootings children statistical problem stated objective healthy people 2000 document enact laws 50 states requiring manufacturers handguns make handguns difficult fire , minimizing likelihood accidental intentional children \? agency funded study dc pronounced dc gun ban saved x lives \( yes , actually gave us number \) basis look number shootings rather rate shootings \? n't fault population dc dropped post law period look carefully see greatly underestimate presence guns lives youths cphv reports 135 , 000 youth bring guns school daily 400 , 000 bring guns school least year cdc estimates 1 0f 25 high school students carried gun school least 1990 okay , 'll concede longer numbers read 'll retract dispute numbers however , would greatly interested seeing cphv cdc came numbers cdc also says 1 2 million elementary aged , latch key children \( kids come home school empty house \) , access guns home 's got anything \? hell , elementary school came home empty house guns problem \? n't touch guns taught also taught mess gasoline garage , fuse box , car , knives , oven , tools problem guns , 's parents ! ! ! california schools reported 200 increase student gun 1986 1990 , 40 increase 1988 1990 florida reported 61 percent increase gun incidents schools 1986 87 amd 1987 88 statistics states kids find guns \? nothing criminal prosecution , expulsion , cases even suspension take gun , slap kids wrist , say ai n't awful , go everything 's back normal 's wrong picture \? okay , maybe worded wrong dad meant put children situation \( fortified compound \) harm could come act messiah opinion i'm saying koresh control children directly , would hope whatever messiah would let innocent children die n't think koresh messiah , either n't obvious believed forces evil come destroy , believed children much safer inside compound \? n't say sane behaved pretty rational manner given thought going thought one place harm would n't come claimed messiah people followed , tell parents free children instead letting burn alive \? let 's see try find exits , , flee fire 've kept awake 50 days loudspeakers subjected six hours tanks knocking walls tear gas assault joe
viking iastate edu \( dan sorenson \) subject dayton gun buy back \( boston gun buy back \) organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 26 1993apr21 mtu edu cescript mtu edu \( charles scripter \) writes something similar pro gun people \? example , pay 100 anyone lawfully protects life firearm \? sounds bit tacky , hey , whatever works gun buy back charity \? get sponsors fund purchase used firearms , check , give sell low price poor persons wishing firearms \) sell low price poor people immediately \? nra educational organization , , would shame pay money new guns cheap guns would allow lot money thus saved used opening classes mention nra trains boys blue 've got media rock hard place city pays 50 per gun reduce crime nra pay 50 per gun provide training guns police citizens classes expanded money saved dan sorenson , dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu censors read , say n't blame usenet post exotic , distant machines meet exciting , unusual people flame
boyd gauss \( mickey boyd \) subject xkernel sun 3 80 organization florida state university department mathematics x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 reply boyd math fsu edu lines 11 anyone built xkernel 3 80 's \? works great 3 50s , would soon kiss entire sun 3 goodbye \( reclaim bunch disk space \) email direct , 'll post summary mickey boyd systems administrator florida state university mathematics department email boyd math fsu edu office \( 904 \) 644 pager \( 904 \) 657 6425
jeq lachman com \( jonathan e quist \) subject battery charger keywords battery charger nntp posting host birdie i88 isc com organization lachman technology , incorporated , naperville , il lines 20 article netnews upenn edu sanjay kin lap upenn edu \( sanjay sinha \) writes noticed halogen table lamp runs 12 volts big plugs wall says 12 volts dc , 20ma question trickle charge battery cb650 \? could , would considerably cheaper spend 8 trickle charger k mart , venture , target , would replace halogen lamp power supply fuse trying pump current battery charging , charger putting around 14 15 volts well jonathan e quist jeq lachman com lachman technology , incorporated dod 094 , kotpp , kotcf '71 cl450 k4 gleep naperville , il 's nothing quite like pitter patter little feet , followed words daddy ! yay !
organization penn state university robbie po rap115 psuvm psu edu subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! hsdndev harvard edu bson nutrimat gnu ai mit edu hsdndev harvard edu lines 54 article hsdndev harvard edu , nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) says fat lady hit first note okay , 3 0 deficits \? b 's chances comeback less 1 \( 's based 7 game playoff format \) actually , 's based nhl 's history 7 games odds winning one straight game 50 50 two straight games 25 three straight games 12 5 , 4 straight games 6 25 odds penguins winning 14 straight games playoffs 0 course , n't include weighted average , pens beating devils 3 straight \( weaker team \) along beating rangers 3 straight \( much stronger team \) made act balanced 's right boston odds winning probably closer 10 \( weighted average \) since buffalo 's record n't good boston stronger team enough probabilities though ! 's goes prove anything possible , integrate debbie gibson \) think gets start game three \? hope going blue team rally around , maybe moog moog gets 's 5 performance give blue 4 starts fuhr tough buffalo caught hot goaltender time mean , , buffalo 3 wins , 7 losses last 10 harry sinden 's appearance outside b 's dressing room game 3 pathetic site said something really retarded cover sutter 's behind , game winning losing harry , check 's frustrating lose , 've gotta say something actually 's winning losing , play game competition magnified level , 99 9 people care wins loses \) schedule ! team playoffs go long summer vacation sunday morning ! think buffalo win 6 's like boston getting blown away lost 2 ot games different bounce , could easily 2 1 harry never admit screwed major way brought one dumbest people business , brian sutter sutter 's playoff record head coach st louis speaks blues really chance advance second round year good point chicago 's deep trouble tonight bad past history winning division losing early n't finish 1st , okay robbie po 1993 's streakers comes naturally ! patrick division semi 's pgh penguins see , wait penguins 4 , devils 3 1991 , 1992 stanley possibility , n't see penguins lead , 3 0 cup champions \) strong resemblance dg '89
carsona fraser sfu ca \( debra carson \) subject \( q \) monitor service \? keywords service monitor mac help organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 25 recall anyone suggest problem picture jumps inch direction \? two page monitor connected accelerator video board se end work day , several hours power , picture occasionally couple times remain calm minutes shaking environment around computer appears stable nothing newly introduced near computer ideas \? please e mail carsona sfu ca reply also anyone used two page powerbook video \? required \? cable adapter \? thanks help ! dale carsona sfu ca ps think monitor zenith mechanism
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject u government science technolgy investment organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 24 brian quake sylmar ca us writes question philosopher highly regarded 500 years , may well ayn rand \( every important respect american , born russia \) guess remains seen 1 please take sci space 2 ayn rand born russia , educated lot philosophy reflects european education reaction certian events russia lived 've heard extent division modern philosophy continental british american schools , rand belongs former terms methodology et al , even though trying say things would belong latter school e trapped language kant , even though trying say \( times \) much different things phil fraering number one good faith ! convert , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu tortured demons ! anon mahen missionary
att com subject immaculate conception organization lines 40 article may 14 02 11 19 1993 athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca \( seanna \( \) watson \) writes article may 9 05 39 52 1993 athos rutgers edu jhpb sarto budd lake nj us \( joseph h buehler \) writes referring mary immaculately conceived , never subject original sin , also never committed personal sin whole life possible special degree grace granted god quite problem idea mary never committed sin mary fully human \? possible god miraculously make person free original sin , free committing sin whole life , purpose incarnation jesus \? ca n't god repeat miracle done mary make rest us sinless , without need repentance salvation \? concept mary 's sinlessness seems odds rest christian doctrine understand 's always two way street god gave grace avoid sin , thus visited gabriel , gave fiat , total acceptance god 's fiat summarizes catholics regard highest humans , god chose accepted knowing advance , extrapolate neither subject original sin god create us miraculously free choose choose sin sufficient day evil thereof grace god command amount grace precisely determined god amount required god asked grace given us also enough , always choose accept also believe jesus fully human never sinned god could created much better person , one always chose right thing , yet created instead , despite flaws proves loves , continually drawing towards perfection whatever purpose , confidence accomplish ask god repeat miraculous creation mother son , leave \? joe moore
bnr ca \( \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization bell northern research , ottawa , canada lines 26 article c6x81m ejf news cis umn edu prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case ethnic cleansing another chapter continuing saga intense mutual hatred , destruction , taking sides perpetual war amount religious bigotry could helplessness regards bringing peace region even know meaning word satya prabhakar yeah right , sorta like indian sub , eh \? regards ,
cellar org \( brian p k' \) subject novell windows 3 1 organization cellar bbs public access system lines 35 i'm working workstation usually attached novell network \( using shell version 3 22 , think \) workstation , 386 , set run windows 3 0 network year ago needless say , 'd like upgrade windows 3 1 , work network basically , windows files 'd local hard drive , several dos applications , like word perfect , network 'd mainly want windows access network drives , network printers , perhaps handle network functions well could dos apps whose executables network , 'd great , could live without eventually , 'd like get 486s office working network windows 3 1 well \( however , terminals 286s , leaves network pretty much dos bound , guess leaves windows workgroups \) future , maybe 'd norton desktop , 's guess , 've never done anything like 've read networks material came windows , still , 'd like know anyone experience area please reply email n't scan newsgroups often thanks replies brian rev p k cellar org well , 'll know right away look eyes 's lost illusions 's worldly wise , know give listen , 's 've missing , 've missing 'll lost love fun cynical girl 's got use real world , i'm looking cynical girl marshall , cynical girl
ferry dutentb et tudelft nl \( ferry \) subject serious e magazine summary starting group scientific articles pre publish keywords scientific papers , electronic magazine nntp posting host et tudelft nl organization delft university technology , dept electrical engineering lines 22 time 've thinking possiblity starting group scientific articles published \( perhaps summaries \) possible advantages would free fast acceptance online discussion readers would possible one group moderator publishing articles one perhaps without discussion best thing would articles would standard format would make possible print view documents camera ready perhaps postscript rich text format \? start new group \? anyone interrested \? greeting electronics research laboratory delft university technology delft holland
po cwru edu \( juan martinez \) subject microphone organization case western reserve university lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host student cwru edu article gazette bcm tmc edu , chen nuclear med bcm tmc edu \( \) wrote got new c650 seem come microphone damn ! c650 comes microphone get cd rom drive configurations n't include one
oddjob oz plymouth edu \( andrew c \) subject help changing startup logo organization plymouth state college plymouth , nh lines 17 long running discussion changing startup logo windows weeks copy methods great n't seen mention program well found one cica called \( ca n't remember unfortuantely \) , seems work real well even comes couple example rle files 'd really like though way create rle files , specifically format mentioned readme file anyone point direction beast real directory path \? \? ones 've seen mentioned n't pan e mail un x oddjob oz plymouth edu vms psc plymouth edu disclaimer end user software provides avenue user week modification user friendly
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject political atheists \? organization sgi lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1993apr17 daffy cs wisc edu , mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes article afp fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes well , chimps must system live social groups , must laws dictating undesired behavior ah , verb must warned one back kindergarten , must laws \? jon hey , must verb languages happens modifier english , verb sentence modified must know must verb languages i'm complaining assertion containing word must jon
gwittt alleg edu \( tom gwitt \) subject 77 's \? organization allegheny college lines 15 article 1r23on 4p6 bigboote wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu \( logistician \) writes need players wearing 77 nhl know one , ray borque bruins help would greatly appreciated thanx pierre turgeon , sabres isles wears 77 \( least buffalo \) tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) subject still cold , nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 29 hoc agate berkeley edu robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) writes article 1993apr22 aber ac uk azw aber ac uk \( andy woodward \) writes day large group us much admire wish could like macho british studs 've grown well , thought yanks parochial least aspire better things andy , ever going get straight \? yanks self satisfied 's canadians parochial , yanks midway invasion florida n't even aware yet jorg klinger gsxr1100 new arch eng services lost horizons cr500 think umanitoba , man ca embalmer it175 anonymous squidonk
gryphon openage openage com \( golden gryphon \) subject modem problem dialtone organization open age , inc keywords modem , phone lines 24 dudek acsu buffalo edu \( cybard \) writes 486dx 33 isa pc compatible \( insight \) internal 14 14 modem windows first put modem , pulled phone jack another room , ran phone line extension surge protector computer modem worked fine split line jack room , ran line room surge protector computer got regular phone plugged phone jack modem try use modem , says dialtone phone plugged back computer works fine tried unplugging phone , still dice phone line split many times \? \( n't understand could problem , since phone worked fine \) please note none software hardware parameters changed , phone line new modem faulty \? \? try swapping phone cables back modem golden gryphon gryphon openage com crown american prison system president bill clinton living white house openage premier sco unix washington c area
kelleyb austin ibm com \( kelley boylan \) subject monitors kept 24 hours day \? \? \? originator kelleyb kelleyb austin ibm com reply kelleyb austin ibm com organization ibm austin , powerpc lines 21 yes , know computers harddisk drives always monitors \? generate lots heat n't keep 24 hours day \? advice \? thanks take care paul empirical evidence support first statement true , power surge startup potential damage , internal power supply well protected \( 've turned mac six seven times day three years without problem \) monitor leave waste lot electricity twice much television , possibly turn 're using 'll save money world resources kelley thomas kelley boylan , powerpc , ibm austin , kelleyb austin ibm com buy pay opinions
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject consciousness part ii kev strikes back ! organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 30 scott sauyet \( ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \) wrote 1993apr21 cs nott ac uk kevin anthony \( kax cs nott ac uk \) writes firstly , i'm impressed ability algorithms 're great solving problems method worked , working method example deleted heard neural networks \? 've read little , seems overcome objections i'm sure many people work neural networks read newsgroup please tell kevin 've achieved , expect saying solve problems , think show hard think come mechanical models consciousness indeed think dualism non solution , , recently put , dead horse petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject need advice riding someone pillion keywords advice , pillion , help ! organization university east anglia distribution na lines 15 irwin cmptrc lonestar org \( irwin arnstein \) writes article mjs zen sys uea ac uk mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) writes i'm riding would far sooner pillion hanging bike , rather , find weight cause move , upset balance bike pillions see hold really good ones n't hang anything unless violent acceleration taking place n't ride sweetheart \? dreams \(
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drm6640 tesla njit edu subject time best players organization new jersey institute technology lines 21 nntp posting host tesla overall \( career \) 1 mattingly 2 mattingly 3 mattingly 4 mattingly 5 mattingly 6 mattingly 7 mattingly 8 mattingly 9 mattingly 10 mattingly 11 mattingly 50 mattingly
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject good jesus died \? organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 20 article 1993apr25 organpipe uug arizona edu , brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) wrote article blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) writes said everyone world means everyone world , including children old enough speak , let alone tell lies jesus says everyone , cannot support referring group people somewhat smaller everyone 's right everyone even infants cannot speak yet even little child stick finger light socket even little child want changed even little child fight nap time oh boy , get small baby figure much brain power first 6 months cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
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dealy narya gsfc nasa gov \( brian dealy csc \) subject encyclopedia directory widgets \? organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa gov originator dealy narya gsfc nasa gov mention free widget foundation maintains freely available set widgets info group gotten free widgets request cs uiuc edu list maintained volunteers may subscribe mailing list discusses various aspects using abusing widgets brian brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan
athena mit edu subject legality placebos \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 23 distribution world nntp posting host w20 575 2 mit edu placebos legal \? would seem , patient , purchase drug 've prescribed 's sugar \( whatever \) , 's legal complications arise 1 diagnosed condition n't given accepted treatment , seems like intentional medical malpractice 2 placebo fall , legally , label quackery \( \? \) 3 getting pay \( deceptive bait switch extreme \) false advertising \( mcdonalds n't put 100 pure beef hamburgers \? \) i'm mystified assumptions \? n't , hell doctor knowingly unknowingly prescribe placebo \? thanks
wcsbeau superior carleton ca \( opirg \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization carleton university , ottawa , canada lines 19 article world std com vis world std com \( tom r courtney \) writes got incensed read carl sagan called idea abomination n't think word means thinks children starving richest country world abomination ad agency worst poor taste tom courtney n't think idea means think everyone earth subject ad agency 's poor taste abomination \( abomination n loathing odious degrading habit act object disgust \( oxford concise dictionary \) \) maybe n't mind every part life saturated commercials , many us loathe 'd rather beauty night sky always marred giant billboard , 'll bet idea virtually sacrilegious astronomer like sagan reid cooper
mwalker chama eece unm edu \( mark walker \) subject rfi art clutchless shifting organization university new mexico , albuquerque lines 13 distribution world nntp posting host warlock eece unm edu article 1993apr22 magnus acs ohio state edu , magnus acs ohio state edu \( scott j \) writes smooth silk amazing shifting demonstration 've ever seen ! said still n't know anyone would want shift synchronized tranny without clutch \? \? ego trip mark walker old man always said mwalker chama eece unm edu much right ! 505 277 \( home 899 \) guess applies preferences albuquerque , nm performance cars
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject gulf war \( death penalty political atheists \? \) organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 18 mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes looked back , asked questions various people got following information claimed pooh us sold iraq arms land mines already mentioned \? countries \( like kuwait \) information hard prove claiming us sold information \? prove information hard prove , almost certainly us sell information , fact classified , ca n't prove oh , neat dismiss everything say unless prove beyond shadow doubt something admit never prove satisfaction thanks , 'll stick circles mathew
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? organization skulls 'r us lines 13 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu \( brian j queiser \) writes examples ferrari 's 512tr flat 12 boxer porsche 's 911 flat 6 subaru 's impreza flat 4 think got way round ferrari flat 12 180 degree v12 true boxer , subaru porsche true boxers n't know vw bug though , suspect also true boxer eliot
oplinger meson crd ge com \( brian oplinger \) subject lynx games sale trade nntp posting host meson crd ge com organization ge corp research development , schenectady , ny distribution na lines 15 've got following lynx games sale trade make offer batman returns pinball jam gates brian oplinger ra crd ge com include standard disclaimer
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject history texts \( ancient references christianity \) organization sgi lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 1 p00261 psilink com , robert knowles p00261 psilink com writes date 24 apr 1993 11 53 48 0500 russell turpin turpin cs utexas edu diaries followers maharishi , formerly oregon , historical evidence confusing bhagwan \( sp \? \) maharishi mahesh yogi chance \? think bhagwan oregon rolls maharishi mahesh yogi founded transcendental meditation flying stuff bhagwan 's group communal , free sex kind thing think , though think let jon
slutsky tesla njit edu subject professional sports fm radio organization new jersey institute technology lines 8 nntp posting host tesla curious known professional sports teams whose games regularly broadcast fm station one aware wysp philadelphia carries games respond summarize list bruce slutsky slutsky tesla njit edu
ashok biochemistry cwru edu \( ashok aiyar \) subject telnet terminal windows \? \? \? organization cwru school medicine lines 26 nntp posting host axa12 slip dialin cwru edu keywords tcp ip telnet ftp article 1993apr30 leland stanford edu kocks chemistry stanford edu \( peter kocks \) writes i'm looking good terminal program connect tcp ip using windows basic ms window connect unix host would great suggestions \? take look winqvt net latest version qvt net 3 4 comes versions direct packet driver , well pc nfs version priced quite low registration 40 , student registration 20 , nice package comes complete vt220 terminal emulation , ftp , client , lpr , nntp client ftp biochemistry cwru edu pub qvtnet zip also uploaded ftp cica indiana edu recently ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department biochemistry tel \( 216 \) 368 3300 cwru school medicine , cleveland , ohio fax \( 216 \) 368 4544
joe advtech uswest com \( joe thielen \) subject consumer warning midwest micro \( ohio \) organization u west advanced technologies lines 26 nntp posting host advtech uswest com article usenet ins cwru edu ab245 cleveland freenet edu \( sam latonia \) writes must say customer midwest micro 4 years , well taken care purchase many friends bought modem \( \) experience setting modems , problems 6 know fact time valuable spend modem went wrong say must tell 12 yes say 12 ppi modems past trying use bbs junk replace 3 times , ther point said forget wanted money back ppi 's teck even said n't even repair strip parts good junk thr rest modem think fault midwest 's sam gosh think installed virus called ms dos6 n't copy floppy burn love windows crash ever happened idea customer always right \? joe p consider micro 's technique name product misleading , especially originally manufactured intent mind
csundh30 ursa calvin edu \( charles sundheim \) subject story keywords party ! ! ! ! nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines 52 lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes lynn pacesetter com \( lynn e hall \) writes allowed \( yes , god \) open containers street signs bars yeah , right ! 20 cops hand couple thousand bikers 1 block main street citing anyone street filled empty cans least 2 feet deep gutter crowd hell shows everywhere say party \? still wonder stereotype us erc mean 'we' \( ever \) want stereotype one likes drink beer watch lovely ladies display beautiful bodies like stereotype refering infer negative noticed n't rape , pillage , burn town also left mucho bucks money town thinks town likes us least said lynn hall nos bros tend compose fair piece population ones regard bikers loud , irresponsible , , sure n't rape pillage 's relief know gentlemen completely hand justify lesser \? pretty distorted thinking , say oh i'm sorry , noticed left mucho bucks \( money \) nevermind criticism , line forgot one leaves mucho bucks \( money \) behavior permissable , perhaps even justified keep mind ones could give ! biker gets killed , elected officials institute draconian legislation \( helmet laws , gun controls , etc \) , ones n't respect rights roads respect rest time need continue \? continue wear stigma badge , next time whining effect values , remember probably behavior self righteous like kept bay long enjoy , erc dod 1138
roger crux princeton edu \( roger lustig \) subject bonilla reply roger astro princeton edu \( roger lustig \) organization princeton university lines 97 originator news nimaster nntp posting host crux princeton edu article mjones fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu \( eric roush \) writes divisions based race , religion , etc make sick n't nice mlb finally waking existence \? n't shame hiring practices , field , discriminatory long \? \( quick name light hitting black outfielder 1b lasted 10 years bigs bet name two dozen white ones \) otis nixon darnell coles henry manny \) b \) light hitting 304 lifetime , 315 1966 73 playing c \) professional pinch hitter yes , also gives jerry billy hatcher beginning 10th year herm good one lonnie smith \( light hitting , horror field \) thing lots people bad gary redus light either 750 ops dion james 10 year daryl boston 10 year year vince coleman \( yeah , 's finally started decent obp \) 10 year cecil espy 10 year willie wilson yup gary ok milt thompson 10 year year gary varsho six year year ok , admit taking quick browse major league handbook , first 7 8 oh , 's time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look curt flood cesar geronimo brock , coleman , wilson hot dog \( also lonnie smith \) seems special class cfs like wilson also get break , especially actually field well brock n't bad hitter either , end spoiled 300 ba , suspect problem time look history last three decades , seems clear race based pattern utility players platoon players lesser talents stayed ml far longer white cesar cedeno light hitting \? 199 hr , 793 lifetime ops mainly houston \? also latin , btw note guys may reached 10 years yet , 've got close likewise list oh , prediction milt cuyler come back 1999 'll party h h h h h talk roger
haynes cats ucsc edu \( jim haynes \) subject total partial scam \? organization university california santa cruz lines 17 nntp posting host hobbes ucsc edu 's chiropractor stand middle shopping mall , offering free examinations part process involves multiple jointed sensor arm computer says computer sounding voice digitize left digitize right digitize c7 please stand spine neutral position i'm wondering whether n't really measure anything computer voice impress victims , whether measuring something chiropractors think useful measure haynes cats ucsc edu haynes cats bitnet ya talk ya wanna , 's dif ! aint ! ya gotta know territory ! meredith willson music man
jim johnson abcd houghton mi us \( jim johnson \) subject cpu organization amiga central dispatch lines 52 n \( p got 66mhz 486dx2 system , considering getting fan n \( p cpu processor running hot touch think n \( p fairly good idea \( long ago electronics training read n \( p somewhere regions within chip define junctions gates etc n \( p slowly diffuse time increases temperature , hence hot n \( p chip goes spec sooner \) n \( p anyone got cpu fan \? \? work small pc oem offer personal professional system line 486 pro machines always cpu cooling fan dx2 dx 50 units n \( p 1 type \? several manufacturers n \( p remove cpu install fan \? sometimes depends specific fan model n \( p cpu fans derive power spare drive power lines \? ones 've seen many come 'y' connector , n't spare connector n \( p anyone trouble cpu fans \? none n \( p anyone evidence cpu fans complete waste money \? touch 486dx 50 chip running minutes wo n't feel fan waste ! n \( p fans attached \? \( glue \? clips \? melted cheese \? \) depends model many use clips make sure use heat sink grease , heat transfering tape , wasted money n \( p roughly much cooler cpu fan opposed without \? \( advert 've read claims vs \) tough tell know chip sheds lot heat slmr 2 1a murphy optimist data backed \? via v0 71a
jovanovic nick yale edu \( nick jovanovic \) subject please ! show washington dc bosnia \( may 15th \) organization yale university science engineering unix \( tm \) , new , ct 06520 2158 lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host minerva cis yale edu article venus haverford edu michael sells sells haverford edu writes find interesting mr major finds genocide two million muslims bosnia acceptable actually claiming 2 , 000 , 000 muslims killed b h \? \? \? please substantiate utterly ridiculous claim nick
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject christianity repeated lives lines 100 article may 7 01 08 04 1993 athos rutgers edu smayo world std com \( sc ott mayo \) writes gerry palo writes nothing christianity precludes idea repeated lives earth n't say somewhere appointed man die , judgement \? n't concordance dim memory appears somewhere bible given fairly specific context judgement , 'd say less decides issue heb 9 27 clh indeed , immediate context nasb 26 otherwise , would needed suffer often since foundation world manifested put away sin sacrifice 27 inasmuch appointed men die , comes judgement 28 christ also , offered bear sins many , shall appear second time , bear sin , eagerly await first point verse part even larger context , subject destiny individual human soul rather singular nature christ 's sacrifice , , fulfillment law fallen mankind rudolf detail christianity reincarnation thrust passage context liken one time incarnation sacrifice christ mankind individual experience human death repeated emphasized , highlights singularity christ 's deed one thing certain refute claims christ comparison human experience die , judgement \( note judgement , judgement word judgement hebrews 9 27 one passage often quoted defense doctrine bible denies reincarnation point , would emphasize passages \( arguably \) speak , invariably talking something , apparent denial reincarnation either inferred , , case hebrews , taken literally deposited implied context , namely doctrine destiny human death considered seriously bible essentially silent fate individual human death last day take passages could possibly interpreted mean single earth life , arguable passages point , arguably , tion matthew 11 14 john 9 2 continue debate individual scraps scripture might , indeed discuss wanted introduce discussion approach idea repeated earth lives , unlike hindu , buddhist new age teachings , takes full divinity , singular incarnation , death , burial , resurrection , second coming christ savior mankind accountability individual deeds reality fall sin consequences redemption man sin christ resurrection body , last judgement taken larger sense , many serious questions take entirely different perspective e g destiny died sins christ came relationship faith grace works , meaning deathbed conversion , meaning sacraments , many things propose answer questions simple doctrine convenience , discussion takes different dimension , opinion one truly worthy man , earth , creator redeemer many deep questions continue deep , meaning second death , whole christian doctrine would apply larger perspective human existence deeply believe things bible speak things concerned christ also indicated things would come know future , including things disciples \( therefore others \) could bear yet idea human capacity growth knowledge , individual one lifetime , whole humanity , also takes great meaning realize growth spirit long term process bible meant codify spiritual knowledge one place forever , proclaim gospel incarnation redeeming deed christ taking gospel greater context , genesis revelation , salvation \( healing \) becomes , end man 's beginning last judgement new heaven earth follow become gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \)
jbs watson ibm com subject clipper chip lines 6 realistic government try keep details encrytion algorithm secret intends use evidence wiretaps court \? wo n't defense attorneys attempt obtain details method prosecution attempts present evidence wiretaps court \? certain attempts fail \? james b
mathew mathew mantis co uk subject strong weak atheism organization mantis consultants , cambridge uk x newsreader rusnews v1 02 lines 9 acooper mac cc macalstr edu \( turin turambar , department utter misery \) writes faq ever got modified define strong atheists assert nonexistence god , assert believe nonexistence god \? word , yes mathew
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem organization department redundancy department lines 27 article eggertj moses mit edu eggertj mit edu writes article news cso uiuc edu eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) writes important note remains least one mosque jewish quarter old city , least according map might able find north synagogue mosque really still \? yes , taken photos 's mosque built squatters \? dunno one compare treatment one given synagogues jewish quarter 1948 , fell arab dominion 22 27 synagogues burned mobs , 5 razed jordanian army think comparison israelis done excellent , certainly perfect , job maintaining arab mosques n't sound like eye eye anymore changed tune \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
pharvey quack kfu com \( paul harvey \) subject daniel v zoroaster , jewish discomfort jesus organization duck pond public unix 1 408 249 9630 , log 'guest' lines 281 article fidonet org bill carlson p0 n104 z1 fidonet org \( bill carlson \) writes since everywhere look , zoroaster suggested probable descendant daniel suppose prove n't zoroaster far older daniel anything , one could claim , sense , daniel descendant zoroaster daniel , though hebrew , assimilated zoroastrianism successfully introduced religion judaism however , majority book hellenistic aramaic \( babylonian aramaic \) writing status ref encyclopedia religion , daniel , , hebrew , hero biblical book bears name daniel presented jew babylonian exile achieved royal court dream interpretations cryptography salvation death lion 's pit also appears last chapters book divine mysteries israel 's restoration national religious autonomy practitioner court , described daniel 1 6 \( written third person \) , daniel per forms interpretations alone , visionary , daniel 7 12 \( written first person \) , need angel help decode visions mysteries future likely name daniel pseudonymous , deliberate wise righteous man known legend earlier biblical tradition \( ez 14 4 , 28 3 \) authorship book complicated diverse narrative voices content language daniel 1 1 2 4a 8 12 written hebrew , whereas daniel 2 4b 7 28 aramaic language division parallels subject division \( daniel 1 6 concerns legends dream interpretations 7 12 concerns apocalyptic visions interpretations older prophecies \) overall chronological scheme well internal balances \( daniel 2 7 related \) suggest attempt unity tale emphasizing life court loyalty daniel youths religion , chronological ordering discernable sequence king darius reported \( dn 7 12 \) much royal dating even tales problematic example , daniel 4 speaks 's transformation beast , story reported qumran scrolls portrayed last king babylon , although never king darius called conquered babylon placed cyrus ii persia , although darius known \( medes followed persians , darius name several persian kings \) presumably episodes daniel 2 6 , series , episodes ritual , reports miraculous collected period \( late fourth mid second century bce \) order jewish hopes divine providence encourage steadfast faith visions daniel 7 12 , reporting events reign cyrus ii \( actually predicting overthrow rule palestine \) , collected published reign antiochus iv prior revolt , \( beginning 168 bce \) jews put test concerning allegiance judaism traditions , many refused statues moses endured martyr 's death trust divine dominion visions daniel dominion different ways example , via images god judgment , son man invested rule \( figure interpreted jews michael archangel christians christ \) , chapter 7 via zodiacal images cosmic beasts bizarre manifestations , chapter 8 via complex ancient prophecies , especially jeremiah 25 9 11 , found daniel 9 12 imagery four beasts chapter 7 \( image four metals chapter 2 \) , representing four kingdoms overthrown fifth monarchy divine origin , one enduring images book sur prototype jewish christian historical apocalyptic schemes end middle ages role power imagery fifteenth sixteenth century work isaac , scientist isaac newton , philosopher jean among fifth monarchy men century england , example , abiding testimony use ancient organizing imagination diverse thinkers groups still used day various groups predicting apocalyptic advent encouragement face religious persecution found daniel 11 12 contains remarkable isaiah 52 13 53 12 , regarding suffering servant god israel select faithful neither opening stories daniel youths final advocate violence revolt rather advocate stance , civil disobedience , resignation victory faithful hands archangel michael , martyrs resurrected granted astral immortality circles behind book fighters may reflect proto group , themes resistance oppression , freedom worship , preservation integrity , overthrow historical , acknowledgement god heaven recur throughout book served token trust faithful hour zarathushtra , founder religion know zoroastrianism \( mazda ahura mazda , name god prophesied zarathushtra \) etymology history zarathushtra , avestan oldest form name , uncertain , various iranian languages related forms else may old persian form , , greek form , , may derived , may existed old iranian form , , may linked middle iranian , several middle persian forms \( \) , new persian state certainty second half name , , means camel form zoroaster , derived greek , used traditionally european culture eighteenth century , , closer original \( found nietzsche \) , came common use avesta , collection sacred books zoroastrianism , resulting studies iranian philology see avesta notwithstanding great continued popularity zarathushtra , even western culture , sources available us , extremely fragmented , principle sources five gathas \( songs \) , attributed zarathushtra included yasna section avesta gatha \( yasna 28 34 \) , gatha \( yasna 43 46 \) , gatha \( yasna 47 50 \) , gatha \( yasna 51 \) , gatha \( yasna 53 \) , last probably written prophet 's death sources considerable , albeit varying , importance younger avesta remaining zoroastrian religious literature , particular pahlavi texts ninth tenth ce although achaemenid inscriptions \( sixth fourth bce \) never mention zarathushtra , mentioned greek sources time \( , however , herodotus , seems unaware \) avesta provide direct explicit data concerning true chronological history zarathushtra text useful indirect way , clearly implies environment zoroastrianism arose iran medes persians greek sources , hand , provide information concerning time zarathushtra , although historical point view unreliable place six thousand years trojan war \( , , , , aristotle , plutarch , , \) account , however , also interpreted mean six hundred , rather six thousand , years expedition greece interpretation favored , makes reference , although scholars \( , helmut \) recently attempted various pretexts , generally rejected although historical value greek sources negligible , nonetheless important show doctrine history cosmos already developed iran achaemenid period , account would seem demonstrate also show time zarathushtra already seen almost mythical figure , one extremely distant past leads conclusion prophet could belonged historical period contemporary , even close , later zoroastrian sources , pahlavi texts , provide absolute zarathushtra , one also accepted arab authors accord ing sources , zarathushtra lived 300 258 years alexander , scholars divided validity chronology view historically reliable others believe devoid historical justification convincing arguments , however , seem support latter position figure 258 years accurate surface represents , fact , general one 300 , employed sasanid propagandists locate zarathushtra 's lifetime roughly around beginning iranian domination number reasons connected complex problems inherent iranian chronology , also desire part sasanid propagandists avoid threat context , zarathushtra , tradition places early ninth millennium beginning cosmos , converted age forty two , 's conversion viewed beginning millennium \( thus explaining double date 300 258 years alexander \) given available sources , forced reconstruct absolute chronology basis elements , principally contention zarathushtra must lived centuries cyrus great , , darius , mention avesta great political achievements took place western iran middle first millennium bce mention history period , lead iran position time , number reasons , going back much history would justified consequently , traditionally accepted theory placing around beginning first millennium bce appears legitimate zarathushtra 's land origin , many scholars agree , basis valid arguments , must come eastern iran held , largely late iranian tradition linking zarathushtra azerbaijan , also linguistic reasons , based language avesta hypothesis , however , discarded , suppose , historical linguistic grounds , zarathushtra came east , even though know precisely region considerable variety opinion particular matter , including improbable view came , present day , wider region , reaching far likely , however , zarathushtra 's land origin somewhere vast area stretching hindu mountain range southern regions \( modern \) , well \( area lake \) would thus located afghanistan border regions iran zarathushtra tells us belonged priestly caste \( yasna 33 6 \) \( cf \) , , priest belonging specific group connected school produced elaborate learned religious poetry even called younger avesta described \( 13 94 \) , general term encompassing entire priestly caste enter undergone long rigid training , used lend dignity \( gathas \) contents new message , product great original ethical mind zarathushtra also belongs venerable priestly tradition , linking india iran another way , centering teachings praise , possessor , , one , vedic , seeks truth masters , thus becoming life almost initiate blessed death good follower teachings seeks vision , chosing right path vedic india vision sun , manifestation behind concepts language lies great tradition aryan mysticism , , indo iranian mysticism zarathushtra 's greatness , however , lie belonged particular religious tradition rather , lies innovation strength message , break tradition , one force fully effectively introduced two great revolutionary ideas \( wise lord fathers two twin spirits , evil \) expectation \( av , , \) life existence see ideas particular doctrine deeply separate zarathushtra 's teachings indo iranian tions upbringing rebellion religion provide adequate answers problem evil basic tenets , zarathushtra , advocated inward right individual resist tion , numbered among greatest religious figures another original facet zarathushtra 's message , one easy understand , however , holds key deeper understanding complex intellectual poetic structure gathas , doctrine , abstract notions good thought , best truth , desirable power , devotion , , immortality , operate according system correlations simultaneously manifestations divinity human virtue see names father , \( possessing gray horses \) , mother , \( one \) , know almost nothing zarathushtra 's life late pahlavi text also give names four brothers according tradition , zarathushtra left home age twenty , thirty subject revelation , intense powerful inspiration vision ten years passed , however , succeed converting cousin , , beliefs strongly opposed native land , , , priestly groups associated traditional teachings practices hostility caused leave region \( yasna 46 1 \) seek refuge court , ruler converted new religion together wife , , prophet , according tradition , forty two years old also know name son , \( desiring \) , three daughters born first wife , well names two sons , \( commanding men \) \( sun faced \) , born second wife , , member influential \( possessing good cattle \) family two figures belonging family mentioned , former 's father , latter husband third daughter prophet , \( thoughtful \) , whose wedding celebrated fifth gathas \( yasna 53 \) , according tradition , zarathushtra died age seventy seven assassinated , priest old religion , belonged tribe called \( name known pahlavi form \) information prophet 's life compensated tion , rich legendary detail , arose centuries zoroastrian communities main texts documenting tradition seventh book , pahlavi work dating ninth century ce , well passages pahlavi texts new persian work thirteenth century , \( book zarathushtra \) , written mythical ritual elements prevail later legends zarathushtra , symbol make archetype perfect man zarathushtra 's great popularity ancient world continued throughout renaissance enlightenment classical hellenistic periods viewed wise man , typical representative alien wisdom , master secrets heaven earth , , , psychologist , wonder worker pythagorean thinkers went far see influence zarathushtra pythagoras , always openly admired persian thinker founded school magi advocated doctrine dualism earliest christianity viewed zarathushtra precursor christian faith , one prophesied , biblical prophets , advent messiah also predicted supernatural sign coming , star appear east guide three magi manger bethlehem see magi christian interpretation derived zoroastrian doctrine saoshyant , savior future see saoshyant later , however , religious struggles arose sasanid empire persia \( third seventh centuries ce \) , linked spread christianity roman empire zarathushtra 's popularity christian world began decline iranian prophet , praised often gnostic schools seen mani one three great messengers past , seen , instead , leader heresy , teacher arts enlightenment , european cultures reverted image come classical hellenistic antiquity viewed , , great wise man , author oracles probably inventor , teacher astrology , possible bridge christianity , , times \( voltaire \) , symbol non christian wisdom western philology zarathushtra eighteenth nineteenth centuries , friedrich nietzsche , intentional paradox , gave name hero work also \( \) nietzsche saw iranian prophet first discovered true motive force underlying things , , eternal struggle good evil see also zoroastrianism
ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) subject israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines 88 tclock orion oac uci edu writes ob article 1993apr28 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes adam endor uucp writes article 1993apr25 1373 virginia edu ab4z virginia edu \( andi beyer \) writes un tried many times condemn israel gross violation human rights un also failed condemn gross violations human rights many places around globe middle east , thus leading many people conclude un biased chooses condemn short , incomplete list things un n't even consider condemning incident security council response 2 gassing death 8 , 000 kurds none iraqi air force , 1988 89 6 30 , 000 civilians slaughtered government none troops hama , syria , 1982 7 killing 5 , 000 palestinians jordanian troops , none thousands expelled , sept , 1970 14 syria kills 23 , 000 palestinians , 1976 none 16 yemen 13 , 000 killed two weeks , 1986 none 17 sudan tens thousands black slaves , none civil war toll , 1 million killed , 3 million refugees 19 rumania , 3 , 000 killed , 1989 none 21 northern ireland none 22 cambodia \( killing fields , 1 2 million murdered \) none 27 syrian soldiers slaughter christian soldiers none surrender , 1990 adam shostack adam das harvard edu wow , source news around world would seem israel treated unfairly luckily , case suggest reading european papers rather israeli propaganda \( arab papers would n't hurt either see propaganda side \) anyway example happens people chose read n't get wrong , perfectly within rights n't go acting like 're objective i'm unclear saying events \? know , un neither condemned expressed outrage events listed \( retained reflected policies murder abuse \) irrelevent fact \? expect israel 's abusive policies condemned appropriate , saying notice degree selective morality un 's part \? also find convenient \( easy \) blithely particular acts simply perpetrators n't happen bad guys list \? tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717 say think first time something posted opposed without making personal insults tim think people answered factual parts \( esp internal conflicts policy \) israel often gets away nations \( due u vetos \) familiar every instance know reason saudi arabia condemned pilgrims pilgrims iranian yes , un biased mostly favor us allies \( including israel , saudi arabia pakistan \) outlaw countries like iran recently iraq far support repressive governments think get slack israel things wrong reason condemnations n't occur lies race country victims gassed iraqi kurds got associated iran war since iran perceived worse iraq condemnation resulted palestinians killed arab countries involved another case cares seems recently one cared many palestinians died anywhere \( including israel occupied territories \) appreciate lack personal insults
subject age reason read rushdie 's ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu \( scott sauyet \) edm 93apr20145436 gocart twisto compaq com vice ico tek com sandvik sandvik kent apple com distribution world nntp posting host wesleyan edu x news reader vms news 1 20in reply sandvik newton apple com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 06 38 30 gmtlines 29 lines 29 sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes story kent , archetype finn , lives bay area , tried purchase thomas paine 's age reason man driving around , , books inc , well , place , , various places asked book , well educated american book store assistants placed asked check thriller section , said book published yet , receive book soon places assistants bluntly said n't know author , well known living author , n't keep copies books life times america , 200 years revolution similar note , good friend mine worked clerk chain bookstore several peers amazing , one woman particular customer asked autobiography benjamin franklin 's \? first question , still alive \? , fiction non fiction \? finally friend intervened , showed guy makes one wonder standards employment scott sauyet ssauyet eagle wesleyan edu
mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) subject wash isl ot game organization sun microsystems , mountain view , ca usa lines 28 nntp posting host teal article 1993apr23 staff dccs upenn edu filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) writes get back stop posting articles subject ! ! ! many f n game 's making sick generally agree however , \( 1 \) last night espn cut away baseball tonite , looks like sportscenter baseball , cut away 7 40 pacific 's quite contract \( 2 \) espn could n't deliver , plan let sportschannel pick slack nonetheless , ultimately fault us american public regular season baseball precedence playoff hockey u support team support game somebody r h excellent idea write chrysler thank supporting hockey ads would consider products 's equally excellent idea , watch baseball 10 minutes \( know i'm asking lot , 's spew bags \) , write advertising , write letters complaining supporting baseball displeasure wo n't consider buying products mike eisler , mre eng sun com ``not leafs best team , fans even intelligent insightful pittsburgh 's players mighty bright , mean , really going get wallet back , right \? '' jan brittenson 3 93 , leaf pen woofers rec sport hockey
augustana edu \( lloyd baker \) subject thoughts lines 67 nntp posting host 143 226 131 186 organization augustana college lines 67 article pdx com alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) writes alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject thoughts date wed , 21 apr 1993 03 25 06 0800 rh house helios usq edu au \( ron house \) rh newsgroups alt atheism rh organization university southern queensland rh bissda saturn wwc edu \( dan lawrence bissell \) writes first want start right say i'm christian rh know n't get involved , \) rh bit deleted book says jesus either liar , crazy \( modern day koresh \) actually said rest rant deleted standard argument fundies spot \? statement arguing assumption jesus actually existed far , able offer real proof existance thought necessary help defend point jesus existed guys jesus existed didnt , say socrates didnt exist cuz , like jesus , nothing hands survived plato others record existance many others record jesus' existance , including babylonian talmud sorry guys , argument jesus may existed dead point whether god whether god completely different story , however try using \( \) flawed writings josh mcdowell others prove , writers use flawed sources \( real sources , \) ever learn real research , instead believing drivel sold christian bookstores rh , dan , try one rh book says muhammad either liar , rh crazy \( modern day mad mahdi \) actually rh said reasons would n't liar rh follows would die lie \? would n't people able rh tell liar \? people gathered around rh kept , many gathered hearing seeing rh son law made sun stand still call fool , rh believe make sun stand still rh niether lunatic would entire nation rh drawn someone crazy doubtful , fact rh rediculous example anyone drawn mad rh mahdi obviously fool , logical people see right rh away rh therefore since n't liar lunatic , must rh real thing nice ! alan
borden head cfa harvard edu \( dave borden \) subject drug use policy japan organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory , cambridge , , usa lines 13 anyone knowledgeable drug issues japan \? i'm interested knowing japan ever problem drugs , dealt 've heard , undocumented , japan years ago used heavy legal penalties end serious heroin problem 'd like know sides story anyone recall problem \? laws time relating drug use , drug dealing , drug trafficking \? laws \? anti drug measures , like education treatment japan used \? drugs regarded japanese people \? effective anti drug measures japan \? thanks help david borden borden m5 harvard edu
ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) subject ok , little hasty organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 13 article jnmoyne 190493111630 moustic lbl gov jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes dwi stand \? dancing ray shea wound like effective method unisql , inc leah unisql ! ray cs utexas edu days miss boon real bad dod 0372 team twinkie '88 hawk gt
kilroy gboro rowan edu \( dr nancy 's sweetie \) subject anyone remember organization rowan college new jersey lines 30 years ago possibly many five discussion numerology \( 's assign numeric values letters add letters words , effort prove something another never make sense 's supposed work 's supposed prove \) somebody posted long article numerology bible , saying things like proves intricate planning scriptures , else patterns would appear brilliant followup , numerology numerology posts stuff like word adds 28 , word appears 28 times posting ! elegant planning ! , word also adds 28 writer using clues show us reach truth via numerology ! \( examples made examples \) really liked reply , excellent job showing patterns found anything however , save copy remember author i'm 90 sure posted newsgroup , chance somebody remembers saved , author reading , wanted know anyone could send copy \( think made faq , find \) darren f provine kilroy gboro rowan edu use brains , borrow well wilson
edb tih \( arne \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host edb tih organization trondheim college engineering x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 17 devil reincarnate \( ssave ole cdac com \) wrote curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? v8 n't know v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject god , morality , massacres reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 44 jek cu nih gov \( \) james kiefer writes \( stuff deleted \) first point wrong , joseph 's brothers wrong , judas wrong intend evil god somehow brings good , make less subject condemnation punishment second point course , god bring good good would brought serbians refrained sins robbery rape murder good purposes excuse us duty right 're saying , god exercises direct control , influence upon humanity n't control every thought action , takes , whether intended evil , turns something good seems , idea conflicts belief god gave humans free far determine , impossible reconcile two different ideas god exert influence upon anyone anything anytime , would upon someone 's free unless , course , believe god give us complete free , rather , sort conditional free something allows us make choices control lives except god wants use us fulfill good purpose heart controlling us way hear alot people look various events , mostly things like aids epidemic make comments god 's difficult time understanding people believe god controls anything happens planet except , possibly asked someone 's prayer according bible , going let people go one two plagues , god kept heart moses could cast 7 plagues upon egyptians , last plague causing death many innocent children , god upon 's free used puppet god free hebrews , free sort grand fashion suppose hebrew 's point view , could seen turning something bad good , i'm sure egyptians n't see way examples god turned something bad something good based upon showing one group people another , 's good based upon point view god , supposed god humanity , play favorites \?
fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) subject braves update ! ! organization duke university durham , n c lines 36 nntp posting host keynes econ duke edu article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com \( sherri nichols \) writes reasonable umpire would 's instructed season get batters back box sooner try cut ridiculous length games one glad see happen , hope umpires hirschbeck pitcher pitch batter wo n't get back box reasonable umpire would recognized ron gant disturbed call reasonable umpire would realized 1 run game progress , two outs ninth ron gant try regain normal baseball player would done would get heated argument umpire , since ca n't argue balls strikes , would ejected game ron gant , trying avoid conflict , penalized showing restraint incidentally , reasonable home plate umpire would resistant seeking appeal first base umpire , gant requested home plate umpire appealed first , first base umpire could strike , gant would upset call ball , catcher requested appeal , likely home plate umpire would asked help finally , entire game pretty much mockery called efforts speed game game played quickly , 2 hours stuff happened ninth , delays entire game result actions umpires \( deion clean garbage field \) econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke correspondents email changed e l new address fls econ duke edu f mail bounces , try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
marlow world std com \( mark j marlow \) subject video cards bnc connectors \? organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 25 sam ms uky edu \( mike mills \) writes hello , recently bought nec order get highest possible quality refresh rates , 'd like know accelerator cards bnc connectors \( opposed usual sub connector \) \? know vga type cards bnc outputs , sells vga bnc cable set works good 5fg trying optimize display good video card try contacting 9 , 1 800 get nine use like level 9 card thanks information , mike mills e mail sam ms uky edu , rutgers , uunet ! ukma ! sam uk math sciences dept mike uky edu \( 606 \) 257 1429 \( work \) 263 0721 \( home \) mark marlow marlow world std com
csd ac uk \( pete edwards x \) x priority 1 \( highest \) x sender 139 133 200 20 subject centris 610 font problems cc csd ac uk , watson csd ac uk lines 41 recently got centris 610 4 230 desk 's vast improvement previous machine \( iisi 5 40 \) however 've encountered problem fonts entries filemaker 2 0 database looked fine printed previous mac using system 7 01 look wierd ! spacing characters increased greatly causing lines truncated i'm using plain bold various sizes increase character spacing seems occur sizes styles i'm using mixture truetype fixed size fonts exactly iisi things worked perfectly 've managed get similar behaviour using word 5 1 apple uk adopted usual friendly approach told us call local dealer god help us ! ! ideas \? \? dr pete edwards department computing science king 's college university aberdeen tel 44 \( 0 \) 224 96 aberdeen , fax 44 \( 0 \) 224 scotland email csd ac uk artificial flowers pieces plastic metal , crudely fashioned bear limited , superficial resemblance real flowers , credible attempt match internal complexity terms form , function , behavior artificial intelligence really smart computers
lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) subject trivia habs \? organization wayne state university , detroit mi u lines 22 nntp posting host cms cc wayne edu article news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu \( lord vader \) writes ok , i'm sure asked 100 's times , wondered since heard hell nickname habs come montreal canadiens \? thanks advance , schneider answer faq group said laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! ! ! !
gwalker rtfm mlb fl us \( grayson walker \) subject questions insurance companies \( esp geico \) organization distribution usa lines 3 bob excellent ! point correct ! spread word
jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov \( j porter clark \) subject annual inguinal hernia repair keywords inguinal hernia nntp posting host avdms8 msfc nasa gov organization nasa msfc lines 27 last year , totally surprised annual physical disclosed inguinal hernia could n't remember anything would caused , n't lifting people , fact probably somewhat less eventually thing became painful repair operation year developed pain side turned another inguinal hernia go back hospital monday another fun 8 \) operation n't know anything i'm cause happen i'm 38 years old n't think i'm old enough things start falling apart like surgeon operation seems suspect congenital weakness , , suddenly appear 37 really active younger \? anyone know prevent hernia , lifting anything \? 's rare lift 16 month old sack full groceries , may noticed typical grocery sack fairly small days sort exercise reduce risk \? course , wife thinks 's sitting long periods time computer , reading news j porter clark jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov jpc gaia msfc nasa gov nasa msfc flight data systems branch
norris athena mit edu \( richard chonak \) subject mailing list reply norris mit edu organization l'organisation , c'est moi lines 16 june newsletter latin liturgy association new e mail discussion group latin l , forum people interested classical latin , medieval latin , neo latin languages choice latin \( course \) whatever vulgar languages feel comfortable using please prepared translate request field open name topic ! order subscribe , bitnet users send interactive message form tell listserv psuvm sub latin l name internet users send message \( without subject line \) address listserv psuvm psu edu message read sub latin l name subscribed , one may participate sending messages latin l psuvm latin l psuvm psu edu richard aquinas chonak , norris mit edu
markp elvis wri com \( mark pundurs \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality nntp posting host elvis wri com organization wolfram research , inc lines 26 sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article markp , markp \( mark pundurs \) wrote take lsd , perception reality come , perceptions 've never taken lsd , read strange lifes times heights culture something usually profound way lsd mentioned first trip changed view world words taking lsd would change reference frames would indicate deep changes due let us say brain temporarily indeed change frames leads statement solid reference frame lsd modified relative view much crowd probably pre existing lives jumbo 'new change experienced lsd gain knowledge n't enjoy lsd twisted perception mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research , inc purely coincidental
gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) subject 's best place find used pc 's \( usenet otherwise \) \? organization jack 's amazing cockroach capitalist ventures lines 8 best place find classified type ads used pc 's \? several computer makes wanted sections usenet pc 's compatibles \? 's cheapest place nationally buy used pc systems laptops \? gene jackatak raider net \( gene wright \) jackatak raider net \( 615 \) 377 5980
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject islamic genocide organization sgi lines 58 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article horus ap mchp sni de , frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) writes article k fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes false dichotomy claimed killing religiously motivated , i'm saying 's wrong i'm saying every killing religiously motivate , spelled detail killings say religously motivated \? example , would claim recent assassination four catholic construction workers connection ira probably religously motivated time writing , think someone claims current violence motivated religion reaching would call someone writes killings n religously motivated \? , 's possible argue religion past major contributing factor violence present , n't know evidence i'm enough historian debate given aim ira take northern ireland country particular church written constitution , restriction civil rights dictated church , fail see word past appropriate claim killings n religously motivated means church believers always history ca n't face rewrite 're attacking different claim claim ira terrorist plants bomb motive greater glory god sorry , frank , put quotes words posting horus ap mchp sni de n't tell us 's different claim longer stand behind original claim , say mean thing say killings n religously motivated say terrorist plants bomb n't religious motive example meant clarify , new claim different claim refer claim seemingly attacking previous post , namely religion major historical cause present violence n't assert , assert opposite n't hand us bunch double talk seemingly attacking quoted attacking jon
slc unisys com \( marc christensen \) subject channels x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 organization unisys corporation slc sean oliver \( sean oliver mindlink bc ca \) wrote live british columbia , canada cable company use called rogers cable anyone know scrambling techniques , ways getting around \? suggestions might use \? n't know answer question , sure rogers cable tool forwarding question sure touch \) marc christensen
me170pjd emba news uvm edu uucp \( peter j demko \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? originator me170pjd emba uvm edu organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 17 article 1993apr27 csi jpl nasa gov , eldred jpl nasa gov \( dan eldred \) article snoopy cis ufl edu ruck beach cis ufl edu \( john ruckstuhl \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? someone taped wires carpet , time move n't know sure work , might try mek \( methyl ethyl keytone \? \) worked getting stickum left shelf paper , available paint stores use carbon gas mask lots ventilation stuff really stinks ! dan n't know , methyl ethyl commonly known acetone found major active ingredient nail polish remover probably got around
stgprao st unocal com \( richard ottolini \) subject bill targets pension funds liberation organization unocal corporation lines 14 article fox graphics nyu edu fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) writes one time chase every rumor gets printed national enquirer whatever point wait see assertions \( rather bizarre \) original post way perhaps recent posts rather bizarre original poster speak story la times months ago clinton administration exploring every avenue revenue enhancement , chosen funny cartoon sunday 's ny times bill clinton 's calendar every day april 15
gunawan envmsa eas asu edu \( gunawan \) subject need latest model developer notes news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 organization arizona state university , tempe , az lines 17 hi , anyone know get developer notes new mac models \( like iivx , lc iii , centris \) \? thank 's information please reply email k gunawan \( oo \) internet ' ` gunawan envmsa eas asu edu gunawan eas asu edu ` ' gunawan eas asu edu uu uu arizona state university ' `
alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject thoughts christian books lines 32 dn think took , lunatic , real thing' dn last time time \? anyway , let dn somebody else turn ca n't debate dn straight face perhaps something completely dn different could ridicule gather dn posts last two times email dn aside , believe somebody actually dn got book published \? must vanity dn press would recomend anyone visit local christian bookstore become aware stuff sell quite interesting stuff far \( level chick \) common bookstore , least one section hate , pagans , catholics , mormons , rock musicians , anyone else fanatical \( hate love god \( tm \) ! \) even interesting watching people frequent places scary people hear voices god telling whatever want hear \( christians , would locked away maybe federal money reduced mental institutions reagan administration get religious leaders \) would christianity jesus got eight fifteen years , time good behavior \? new york state senator james h donovan capitol punishment alan beware ! touch wires instant death ! anyone found prosecuted !
xerox com \( jeff \) subject need help compiling reply xerox com organization xerox corporation trouble compiling running sparc ipc using sunos 4 1 1 openwindows 3 getting undefined references arguments xtsetarg , , etc using wrong version library \? missing include file \? help would greatly appreciated jeff jeff man best computer email xerox com put aboard spacecraft phone \( 716 \) 422 one snailmail 780 salt road 845 mass produced webster , ny labor von braun
bari eng sun com \( brian gordon \) subject legal car buying problems organization sunsoft , sun microsystems company lines 22 distribution ca nntp posting host bari article megatest com jao megatest com \( john \) writes however , agree terms , , sign , dealer slips contract different terms , leads believe terms verbally agreed , fraud 3 day limit restitution fraud may sue \( win \) get almost certainly threaten sue hand , remember old verbal agreement n't worth paper 's printed sign , going one hell time proving fraud based comparison thought going sign right one thing , proving another brian g gordon sun com netcom com b genie , compuserve aol
subject tires comparison opus uucp \( valentin \) distribution world organization california state university , lost angels nntp posting host opus calstatela edu lines 28 looking buy 4 new tires \( r hr \) n't much spend , would like tire last anyone experience following brands \? general others , find 70 like said , mostly interested speed , since hardly get drive 80 90 mph also , true noone give warranty tires , according tire dealer \? finally , hr tires last longer r tires \( \) , strictly speed factor \? thanks replies whatever n't kill makes stronger internet calstatela edu bitnet bitnet
weaver sfc sony com \( eric weaver \) subject citations electronic cash papers please organization sony advanced video technology center san jose , ca usa lines 6 deeply grateful citations papers electronic cash schemes minds c eric weaver sony 677 river oaks , ms 35 sj ca 408 944 chief engineer , 89 7 college , los altos hills ca
txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) subject shaft drives wheelies distribution rec lines 56 nntp posting host able mkt 3com com bradw newbridge com \( brad warkentin \) writes article 698 netcom com bethd netcom com \( beth dixon \) writes beth one true beth dixon bethd netcom com 1981 yamaha sr250 excitable girl dod 0384 1979 yamaha sr500 spike garage rat fssnoc 1843 1992 ducati 750ss ama 631903 1963 ducati 250 monza restoration project 1kqspt 1 8 keep handle anything side deranged zz top wait one cotton picking minute dod rule 417 1 2 section 6 paragraph 3 clearly indicates multiple people ca n't lay claim bike obvious ploy artificially increase size stable silly boy ! read rest ! go back read rule 1 question day spike owned lady true class breeding \( definition woman rides \) \) tom head \? \? \? ok , record , spike jointly owned registration says \( , title say , beth \? \) beth brought ad attention , 'd half heartedly sr500 years successfully buying rationalizing n't need spend beth piped 'll pay half ! beaten also note lay claim connie ol sport \( like said , obviously lady discriminating taste \) watch buddy ! fine rides ! beth loves riding pillion connie , true , 'ol sport n't cup tea \( ca n't get side stand \) agrees 's fine ride bored minds know bj bradw newbridge com sig plan clue dod 255 'll buy 'll even loan quarter buy clue '86 concours sophisticated lady tom dietrich '72 1000cc sportster 'ol sport sale dod 055 '79 sr500 spike , garage rat ama queued m900 ! ! fssnoc 1843 two gather , big fun ! 1kspt 17 28 bell \( 408 \) 764 5874 cool rule , sometimes e mail txd able mkt 3com com \( h lewis \) disclaimer 3com takes responsibility opinions preceding
sun com \( john chandler \) subject top ten excuses slick willie 's record setting disapproval rati usenet ins cwru edu 93105 psuvm psu edu 1993apr16 1208 dg rtp dg com organization river corporation lines 12 nntp posting host reply crosmun crosmun rtp dg com 's message fri , 16 apr 93 22 15 46 gmt article 1993apr16 1208 dg rtp dg com crosmun crosmun rtp dg com \( william crosmun \) writes hand , rush made interesting point democrats ran one best campaigns years pathetic republican still pulled 43 vote , lost 10 seats house , gained 0 seats senate 1994 might pretty interesting clueless world , take heart ! 57 electorate willing vote pathetic republican ! ! jmc
dzk cs brown edu \( danny keren \) subject israel 's expansion ii organization brown university department computer science lines 17 nntp posting host cs brown edu someone elaborate little libertarian movement \? going draw conclusions small sample , far recall two self described libertarians posting seems 1 \) incredibly ignorant 2 \) incredibly arrogant 3 \) want get people angry 4 \) posses lousy sense humor 5 \) write jump topic topic without logical connection topics 6 \) describe intelligent knowledgeable , although everything posters points opposite 7 \) childish campaign smear libertarian party \? danny keren
chopin psu edu \( mark \) subject parity error system halted anyone ideas \? organization penn state university lines 19 nntp posting host chopin psu edu unfortunately failed mention error occurs parity error checking enabled disabled assume mean gives parity error 's enabled , 's disabled high count go memory check boot error occurs \? system beep 's pattern beeps \? error could occuring cache memory \( likely \) video memory , well simms fact ami bios conclusive determining board manufacturer either boards made thousands small taiwanese companies \( among others \) buy name brand chips put together simm sockets make board tend doubt problem ide controller , also anyway , perhaps answer questions someone help better mrb vivaldi psu edu psuvm psu edu
judy cbnewsd cb att com \( judith \) subject 1945 card board saw puzzle sale organization distribution usa keywords puzzle lines 20 sale 1945 king feature specialty company 200 fifth avenue new york , ny cardboard puzzle box pieces worn use missing pieces size 13 3 4 inches 21 1 2 inches 60 puzzle pieces puzzle , , kids , dog puppies picnic alexander trying get fishing line tree 10 00 plus shipping charges reached email call judy \( 219 \) 838
feustel netcom com \( david feustel \) subject evil tax dollars work , atf burns ranch etc etc organization dafco os 2 software support consulting lines 18 cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) writes article 1993apr23 cv hp com , kam cv hp com \( keith marchington \) writes 's another sad thing 'd expect sort shit batf i'm goddamn disappointed fbi used professionals apparently unfamiliar history fbi might try looking articles 70 's fbi 's cointelpro operation starters dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com u government become garrotte around necks citizens garrotte , people struggle breathe air freedom , government tightens stranglehold possible outcomes point death government elimination personal freedom
uxa cso uiuc edu \( james bond \) subject seagate hd jumper schematics summary seagate st3283a hd st3144a jumper schematics needed keywords seagate jumper schematics organization university illinois urbana lines 15 trying setup two seagate tech hard drives master slave system need jumper schematics two hard drives two seagate hd st3144a , st3283a , need setting schematics two thanx help advance aj uxa cso uiuc edu ideal wife woman ideal husband !
raman translab uci edu \( balaji v ramanathan \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? nntp posting host translab uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 43 article bt usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( matthew liggett \) writes 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? lexus es300 , gs300 , sc300 , infiniti , dozens others , including common cars like toyota camry \( option \) v8 n't know mustang 5 0 \( 302 \) camaros firebirds lexus ls400 , sc400 , acura legend , infiniti q45 , lincoln mark viii , luxury autos v10 dodge viper \( \? \) v12 jaguar xjs please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com mliggett silver ucs indiana edu \( mliggett iugold bitnet 'junk' collector , toys r us kid , antiauthoritarian , fan frogs , iguanas , herps 8 cut signature ! 8 balaji ramanathan , institute transportation studies , n't believe luck ! university california , irvine rely ! !
etxonss ufsa ericsson se \( staffan axelsson \) subject 93 nntp posting host uipc104 ericsson se organization ericsson telecom , stockholm , sweden distribution lines 94 hockey , v ren 1993 av hockey 1993 per ! ! ! ! 1 per 15 2 lars andersson 13 3 anders engwall 11 4 staffan axelsson 10 patrik 10 6 hannu l 9 khan 9 8 cs tut fi 8 jan stein 8 roger 8 11 lars aarhus 7 fredrik 7 marek 7 lars 7 15 lennart 6 och av en r per , som 92 vid men som sedan ge vika f r anders engwall de f den fr ga 1 4 sm till bryn var det v l sv rt att men man att om den j mna lule och bryn ist hade till lule f , hade det fall h r f de anger som hade anger per rad 1 elitserien 1 1 den 1 v \( 7 \) 2 bryn \( 2 \) 3 malm \( 4 \) 4 f \( 5 \) 5 modo \( 6 \) 6 lule \( 6 \) 7 leksand \( 2 \) 8 \( 2 \) 9 hv 71 \( 11 \) 10 r gle \( 12 \) 1 2 4 av de 8 g r till semifinal \? \( 4 \) lule \( 9 \) bryn \( 6 \) malm \( 13 \) 1 3 2 lag ts final \? lule \( 5 \) bryn \( 4 \) 1 4 blir stare 92 93 \? \( 3p \) bryn \( 4 \) 2 allsvenskan 1 v stra fr \( 11 \) 2 \( 3 \) 3 bj \( 5 \) 4 aik \( 5 \) 9 team g \( 1 \) 10 \( 0 \) \( \( staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se \) \) r h contact swedish hockey
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject radar detectors uk organization university westminster distribution autos lines 3 youy guys know legal radar detector illegal use ! n't bit like owning gun allowed use \? mate switches whenever cops around
kepley photon phys unca edu \( brad kepley \) subject head head win os 2 organization university north carolina lines 22 nntp posting host photon phys unca edu article 1993may17 mtu edu msbendts mtu edu \( michael scott bendtsen \) writes i'm waiting june first roll around get hands pc solaris unix intel chip ! know many unix possibilities , includes \( windows api binary interface think \) technology wil run windows apps straight outta da box certainly help able run windows dos apps way solaris os 2 scheme going challenge microsoft somehow get prices solaris os 2 whatever apps , dos competitive level everybody would rather run solaris app solaris system os 2 app os 2 system , usually ca n't afford unix system high prices good unix software natural progress things government gain ground liberty yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days
dieter toppoint de \( dieter \) subject vl bus hdd fdd controller ide hdd fdd controller \? organization private waffle site lines 24 hpsgm2 sgp hp com taybh hpsgm2 sgp hp com \( beng hang tay \) writes hi , buying quantum lps240at 245 mb hardisk deciding hdd fdd controller 32 bit vl bus hdd fdd controller faster 16 bit ide hdd fdd controller card \? hear vl bus controller slower ide controller \? one true \? vl ide adapter much faster normal ide , depends drive use board use using vl ide tested coretest 2 000 kb using cheap seagate nearly 4000 kb using wd caviar 2340 , figure jumper setting controller get reliable , fastest setting gets 4600 kb coretest work reliable shadow adapter bios get fast speed used vl ide cache controller yet , might speed twice dieter dieter dieter toppoint de 32 , 2300 17 , germany master tel 49 431 \( voice \) fax box 49 431 zyxel v fast waffle fax compuserve , 654
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject muslim women children openly massacred armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 61 article news cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu \( hovig heghinian \) writes copied months armenians \? come \? image conscious armenians sorely feel missing glory background armenians never achieved statehood independence , always subservient , engaged undermining schemes rulers committed genocide muslim populations eastern anatolia x soviet armenia world war fully participated extermination european jewry world war ii , genocide , back stabbing , hallmarks armenian history episodes armenians engaged history suit whims zeal tried cover cold blooded genocide 2 5 million turks kurds world war justice long source documents volume \( 1919 \) document 50 , archive 4 , cabin 162 , drawer 5 , file , section 433 , contents 6 , 6 1 , 6 2 \( division command militia commander ismail \) eight days , armenians forcibly people leaving homes going one village day night rounding male inhabitants , taking unknown destinations , nothing heard \( informed statements succeeded escaping wounded massacres around ruins \) women children openly murdered gathered church square similar places inhuman barbarous acts committed moslems eight days document 52 , archive 4 , cabin 163 , drawer 1 , file , section 440 , contents 6 6 , 6 7 \( 1st caucasian army corps command , 2nd caucasian army corps command , communications zone commander 3rd army general \) almost russian units opposite front withdrawn , population loyal us regions behind russian positions facing ever increasing threat suppression well cruelties abuses armenians decided systematically annihilate moslem population regions occupation regularly informed russian command atrocities cruelties gained impression authority seems failing restoring order serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
kentiler matt ksu ksu edu \( kent p iler \) subject well voicemail modems work \? organization kansas state university lines 8 nntp posting host matt ksu ksu edu hi , 've seen alot ads voicemail fax data modems would way cool work well n't want someone call get connecting sound fax machine work well \? anyone played one \? , please tell brand info like thanks , kent
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject thoughts vw corrado vr6 keywords vw corrado organization purdue university engineering computer network lines 18 article 1993apr22 galileo cc rochester edu uhura cc rochester edu \( outatime \) writes curious people thought vw corrado vr6 \? 's outatime butt , handles nice , junk drove brand new one day key already seems stamp keys pot metal controls seemed really junk clutch heavy door locks , power buttons , sunroof controls etc seemed really cheap way would pay 24k baby airbag either also drove svx day 30k , going door much better buy , imo although sports touring coupe roomy etc corrado small sports car ergonomics leather svx twice nice corrado 's smooth strong engines
jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) subject vibration brakes applied organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca lines 7 hi javier , \( things corp , old ground c level \? \) vibration applying brakes caused , disc brakes least , warped rotors brakes applied , results pressure rotor turning rotors brake shop remedy problem long enough rotor width left turning \( e within spec \) could possible front end suspension problem brake shop able confirm warped rotors visual inspection free
boudreau athena mit edu \( carol v boudreau \) subject trivia question organization massachusetts institute technology lines 42 distribution world nntp posting host 312 5 mit edu article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu , caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? thanks , carol go pens ! would clint speculated time , injury serious playing end rink time \( playing end parked \) , never would survived ditto , playing anything league ambulance standby 've seen video tape incident , amazing much blood literally ice , clint grabbed neck watched puddle horror amazingly enough , made full recovery , played nhl getting years time incident anyway , n't play long afterward people speculated could n't get back together incident , think bunch personal problems afterward eventually get back form , played another year , believe retired anyone else \? carol boudreau 44 k x terminator boudreau athena mit edu go flames ! rock kings !
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject schedule organization hms lines 9 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article appserv eng sun com mre teal eng sun com \( mike eisler \) writes ny , nj , philadelphia , chicago everywhere else , reason sportschannel available local baseball broadcasts local baseball pre empted nhl playoffs thus far good point baseball local nba basketball games took precedence sca 's nhl playoff coverage ppv mark
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject espn2 tell us nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 31 nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) writes problem espn2 faces tci cablevision connection merger prime sportschannel networks prime sportschannel try away nhl espn season also , tci cablevision control large number cable systems around country total 15 million subscribers tci cablevision best espn2 never gets ground successfully nhl 's value suddenly cable war prime sc espn nhl vital survival prime sportschannel since virtually national major league sports contracts cover local nhl nba mlb sports teams note ominous prospect fueled fact various sc prime outlets wholly partly owned local nhl owners cablevision vp chuck 's purchase islanders goes , islanders back scny fold \( original owners , 've remained due lucrative tv contract \) flyer philadelphia sc well prism pay channel six teams affiliated regional sc 's , another half dozen affiliated prime outlets , locals like hts barter arrangements cross ownership , surprised espn got deal season ! ! gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
phj remus rutgers edu \( p ju \) subject help ! bikes short \? organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 20 bean ra cgd ucar edu \( gregory bean \) writes help ! 've got friend shopping first motorcycle great ! unfortunately , needs 28 seat great far , thing 've found old unhappy looking kz440 checking bikes \( hoping seats \) weeks honda \( \) fit well , honda hawk \( \) , kawasaki sb sh \? \( ca n't remember \) looked like would fit well price tag way large seem remember thread point similar passing several months ago anybody keep list \? please post list mail one ! \( patricia phj remus rutgers edu
netcom com \( alexander \) subject 486 33 tower without fan \? \? \? organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 15 originally posted complaint noisy pc got several useful suggestions , 1 run pc silence removing fan altogether ! two variables 1 \) always run pc without cover , 2 \) 'd willing attach cpu cooler would make difference try run pc without fan \? know sounds like utter folly i'm asking anyone done succesfully \? tragically \? 're answer may save pc thanks alexander netcom com \( 510 \) 848 \( voice \)
jane uh edu \( lee mug uh fellow \) subject catchy sayings reply jane uh edu organization university houston lines 297 quotes daily bread daily bread devotional help spiritual growth one spend ten fifteen minutes reading daily portion scriptures related short article brings scriptures alive applying today 's society ends saying bottom article collection sayings daily bread one many ministries services provided resources biblical communication free receive literature , write ask contact addresses listed write radio bible class copyright 1989 radio bible class , grand rapids , michigan 0001 canada box , windsor , ontario australia box 365 , ryde , 2112 nsw europe box 1 , , lancs , england africa box , , africa 2010 , , philippines box 288 , , metro sayings related scriptures december january february 89 90 issue daily bread god saves us , sins forgiven , forgotten , forever ! romans 5 1 11 life christ difficult without 's hopeless ecclesiastes 4 1 6 's sin cover eventually brings us psalm 19 7 14 're ready live 're ready die acts 21 1 14 trusting god 's power prevents panic isaiah 40 6 17 bible record man 's compete ruin sin god 's remedy christ 2 timothy 3 10 17 jesus change sinners finest saints ephesians 2 1 10 witness best witness lives acts 4 23 33 god came dwell man man might dwell god philippians 2 5 11 hurting person needs helping hand , accusing finger psalm 109 1 , 2 , 14 31 decide jesus determines destiny john 20 24 29 must go sinners expect sinners come savior romans 1 8 15 knowing god sees us brings conviction job 34 21 28 god 's cruel corrective hebrews 12 4 17 think 's good , give thanks god psalm 44 1 8 man 's greatest goal give glory god 1 peter 5 5 7 god loves every one us one us love romans 8 31 39 bread life satisfy man 's spiritual hunger john 6 28 41 conscience compass word god chart 1 timothy 4 1 5 salvation free , must receive isaiah 55 1 5 're spiritual could , 're spiritual 2 1 1 7 circumstances make man , reveal 's made matthew 1 18 25 make room jesus heart , make room heaven matthew 2 1 18 heaven 's came sing heaven 's king came save luke 2 1 20 god 's highest gift man 's deepest gratitude luke 2 21 38 serving lord investment pays eternal 1 peter 4 12 19 time lived lost psalm 39 4 13 measure love measure sacrifice 1 peter 4 7 11 god requires faithfulness god rewards luke 19 11 27 spend time determines spend eternity psalm 90 1 12 aim nothing , 're sure hit daniel 1 1 8 christian 's future bright promises god psalm 23 christ savior brings us peace god christ lord brings peace god colossians 1 13 20 sample word god never acquire much psalm 119 97 104 unless one drinks water life , thirst forever ! revelation 22 12 17 person sunday daniel 6 1 10 life long short , completeness depends lived 9 1 12 god loves let 's love 2 corinthians 13 's always soon quit genesis 37 12 28 character build world carry next matthew 7 24 29 god sends trials impair us improves us 2 corinthians 4 8 18 marriage either holy wedlock 2 corinthians 5 11 18 adopted god 's grace adapted god 's use galatians 6 1 10 children watching speak louder say proverbs 31 10 31 union christ basis unity among believers psalm 133 keep life would crowd christ heart romans 6 1 14 n't try bear tomorrow 's burdens today 's grace matthew 6 25 34 pray everything depends god work everything depends 2 kings 20 1 7 convictions nothing prejudices galatians 3 26 29 unless , understand augustine hebrews 11 1 6 christ way heaven paths doom 2 corinthians 4 1 7 many christians nothing , christians nothing ! john 4 31 38 bury seed god brings harvest isaiah 55 8 13 texture eternity time ecclesiastes 7 1 6 's know god use know 1 corinthians 8 best way avoid lying nothing needs concealed acts 5 1 11 god transforms trials blessing surrounding love grace 2 chronicles 20 1 4 , 20 30 confessing sins substitute forsaking psalm 51 1 10 shoot arrows envy others , would philippians 1 12 18 vision eternity n't know value time ephesians 5 8 17 god never abandoned god psalm 123 danger come near christian god nearer psalm 121 many man life trying lay fortune matthew 6 19 24 god 's grace infinite love expressing infinite goodness philippians 1 1 11 one way great things christ little things others romans 16 1 16 rob try others meant romans 12 1 8 n't pretend n't intend matthew 23 1 15 meeting god trials better getting psalm 42 sinners escape god 's judgement , god 's people must point way matthew 24 15 27 's sin get angry get angry sin john 2 13 22 prepare darkness learning pray light 1 samuel 2 1 10 christianity way certain things certain way things ephesians 5 1 7 better know truth beware believe lie care jeremiah 28 true servant live , , genesis 13 earthly good philippians 1 19 26 good marriage requires determination married good genesis 2 18 24 're looking something give life , look one gave life 1 corinthians 3 1 11 nothing left god , discover god enough psalm 46 god us inthe darkness surely us light 1 peter 1 1 9 people spend life complaint counter 1 thessalonians 5 12 22 creation , man say yes god genesis 9 8 17 end life know life never ends 8 10 15 one marks well fed soul well read bible 1 9 god gives us need , give need proverbs 14 20 31 's never early receive christ , moment could late luke 16 19 31 god 's grace keeps pace whatever face 2 corinthians 12 7 10 coming together beginning keeping together progress working together success 1 corinthians 12 12 27 give god burdens , gives us song psalm 57 thing fear , death fear certain emerson 1 corinthians 2 1 8 best way conquer enemy strategy love matthew 5 38 48 unaware one us everywhere christian stays mind christ , develops wonderful
ecs comm mot com \( david lau \) subject format gif files \? organization motorola nntp posting host 145 1 161 169 lines 11 could anyone tell format gif files would like know could determine size picture also , gif files compressed format \? many bits store pixel color information \? \( simple question , could n't find faq \) email responses would david lau ecs comm mot com
arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \( ken arromdee \) subject good jesus died \? organization johns hopkins university cs dept lines 17 article 1993apr25 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) writes even though new born innocent , sinful nature surely manifest explicity gets older ah , admit newborns innocent \? cannot say everyone sinner way top get one claim newborn sinner despite committed sins , rather odd first day christmas truelove served leftover turkey ! second day christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings ! pizza hut commercial \( tlu gic bait \) ken arromdee \( arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu \)
sdl linus mitre org \( steven litvintchouk \) subject antihistamine sleep aid reply cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu 's message fri , 30 apr 1993 20 28 08 gmt nntp posting host rigel mitre org organization mitre corporation , bedford , 1993apr30 ux1 cts eiu edu lines 25 article 1993apr30 ux1 cts eiu edu cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu \( alice sanders \) writes taken antihistamines nights , n't start effect \? used take one every night allergies could n't figure developed bad insomnia insomnia known , relatively infrequent , side effect diphenhydramine people , occur hand , people build tolerance antihistamine extended use \( allergy sufferers often switched one antihistamine another avoid \) steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford , 01730 fone \( 617 \) 271 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus ! sdl
kbw helios ath epa gov \( kevin b weinrich \) subject summary make window 's input caps organization computer sciences corp lines 30 distribution world nntp posting host helios ath epa gov thanks bruce barnett , recommended xvttool , bernward averwald liam quin , recommended modifying xdefaults get desired behavior class xterms xvttool , simply create key file looks like b b c c specify said key file command line translate input \( case , lo case case \) works great , get customizable button pad right left side use xterm solution , add xdefaults vt100 translations override key string \( \) n vt100 translations override n key insert string \( \) n key b insert string \( b \) n invoke xterm name thanks loads ! kevin weinrich computer sciences corp kbw helios ath epa gov
nntp posting host fac csr byu edu lines 33 ecktons ucs byu edu \( sean eckton \) subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) organization fine arts communications brigham young university distribution world original post subject mouse jumpy \? \( ms mouse \) microsoft serial mouse using mouse com 8 00 \( using 8 20 think , switched 8 00 see better \) vertical motion nice smooth , horizontal motion bad sometimes ca n't click something mouse jumps around moving mouse right relatively uniform motion mouse move smoothly bit , jump right , move smoothly bit jump \( maybe time left 5 inch ! \) crazy ! never much trouble mouse anyone solutions \? aha , think found problem n't dirt ! another guy using different kind mouse using video driver \( default vga windows \) s3 localbus card like loaded s3 video driver windows , mouse became jumpy seems like s3 driver ! newer one version 1 4 would solve problem \? really bad use keyboard instead sometimes ! s3 zip cica version 1 4 \( version came card \) sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications 406 hfac brigham young university provo , ut 84602 \( 801 \) 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu
cac washington edu \( matthew \) subject non roman font availability article shelley distribution world organization u w information systems lines 16 nntp posting host elvis cac washington edu anybody tell anything availibility non roman fonts x windows \? especially han fonts also , conversion tools getting pc macintosh fonts format suitable x \? would assume difficult bitmap fonts faq 's group comp fonts helpful questions matthew u washington information systems cac washington edu 15th ave ne 3rd floor \( 206 \) 543 seattle , wa
david pop \( david e smyth \) subject looking david e smyth organization jet propulsion laboratory \( nasa \) lines 23 nntp posting host pop christian mollard ec bull fr writes zvi nynexst com \( zvi \) writes author wcl \( current care taker \) name found dist tree tried mail david smyth ap mchp sni de , mail bounced back help finding greatly appreciated try david uucp david siemens com nope , david jpl devvax jpl nasa gov david smyth david jpl devvax jpl nasa gov senior software engineer , \( 818 \) 306 \( use v mail yet ! \) , x object guru office 525 jet propulsion lab , 525 3660 4800 oak grove drive , pasadena , ca 91109 sun windows thingy , 's called \? know , really awful x \? motif \? 's motif ! yuck !
athena mit edu \( roland carel \) subject surface contour plot organization massachusetts institute technology lines 6 distribution world nntp posting host mercury mit edu keywords plotting program , contour , mesh trying find program run environment ultrix x11r4 plot surfaces contour plots set x , , z would really appreciate hint name plotting program find thanks help
marlow sys uea ac uk \( keith marlow pg \) subject pd apps displaying 3d data sets article marlow organization university east anglia lines 16 subject line says really , i'm looking pd application handle displaying 3d data sets \( images \) cross section , pointers code aid development system thanks advance keith marlow keith marlow , sys p g , uea , phone cyclone bbs arc , norfolk pc files fidonet echoes charts acorn central 2 254 405 3 support area radio info w voice tried ms dos n't inhale
aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) subject impala ss going organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 34 reply aas7 po cwru edu \( andrew spencer \) nntp posting host slc5 ins cwru edu previous article , george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org \( george howell \) says gm always screwed rest divisions favor corvette current platform exception camaro firebird load crap keep people realizing buy one instead corvette save 10 , 000 like idea impala ss , really wanted impress , would throw big 454 imagine cops taurus police package 3 0 3 8 litres stare taillights gimme break ! know chevy 'd screw like almost great truck big 454 ever seen mufflers thing \? \? 's amazing moves \( n't say 's good idea , i'm quite sure chevy 'd screw way \) drew george howell ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm p p r r ppp aaaaa rrr p r r ooo p r r ford living american george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org
netcom com \( william e \) subject moon image weather sat image organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 6 brighten dark part cv043015 gif viewer see two objects near upper left part moon one actually weather satellite moon bill
eastwood sybase com \( david eastwood \) subject installation oddity distribution usa organization sybase , inc lines 11 last night tried reinstall utilities windows 3 1 resource kit disk setup program appeared run perfectly normally , finished , program group created , know 've done successfully , creating group n't exactly tax , i'm curious might going assume something left last time installed getting way , ca n't figure clues , anyone \? david eastwood sybase inc , , ca eastwood sybase com
bson gnu ai mit edu \( jan brittenson \) subject buffalo 4 , boston 0 defense ! ! article nutrimat bson 1993apr21 alchemy chem utoronto ca hsdndev harvard edu organization nil lines 18 nntp posting host nutrimat gnu ai mit edu reply nhmas gauss med harvard edu 's message 21 apr 1993 20 12 56 gmt article hsdndev harvard edu nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) writes bruins never come back win falling behind 2 0 entire 68 year history n't mean much since statistics mostly based 5 game playoff format , yes , looks dark b 's disappointment still , think problem mental needed saves blue came , perhaps offer something mentally rally around think gets start game three \? hope going blue team rally around , maybe moog jan brittenson bson gnu ai mit edu
subject tapped , code good rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( arthur rubin \) distribution na organization beckman instruments , inc nntp posting host dsg4 dse beckman com lines 18 305 visicom com makey visicom com \( jeff makey \) writes article c5so84 hxv demon co uk graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw away academic respectability like n't dorothy denning spent many years earning professional respect colleagues , something manner easily lost support clipper matter unpopular position may serves far enhance clipper 's respectability diminish would n't think asking people trust secret algorithm seems unsound arthur l rubin rubin dsg4 dse beckman com \( work \) beckman instruments brea 216 5888 mcimail com 70707 453 compuserve com arthur pnet01 cts com \( personal \) opinions , represent employer
dan ingres com \( rose arose \) subject sj mercury 's reference fundamentalist christian parents organization representing views lines 23 monday , may 10 morning edition san jose mercury news article sandra gonzales top page 12a explained convicted killer david edwin mason 's troubled childhood saying , raised oakland san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parents , mason beaten child tied workbench cloth accidently mother walked bedroom window , court records show san jose mercury news come article starting raised oakland mexican parents , mason beaten , face would red anger injustice done mexican family members mexican community whole i'm sure sandra gonzales would equally upset open like practiced encouraged san jose mercury news pointed christian community \? good christian continue purchase newspapers buy advertising kind newspaper \? really bad journalism i'm upset
yajima nttcom ntt jp \( yajima hiroshi \) subject yakult swallows \( japanese pro baseball team \) lab ntt jp 1rb lab ntt jp edu lab ntt jp lab ntt jp distribution rec organization ntt network information systems labs musashino , tokyo lines 28 reply yajima nttcom ntt jp 's message 18 apr 1993 23 29 17 gmt tuesday 's game beloved yakult swallows \( , 36 , 000 \) hanshin tigers 001 000 100 2 beloved yakult 050 020 7 w ito \( 1 0 \) l \( 0 1 \) hr yakult , 1st central league standing w l pct gb hiroshima 7 1 0 875 dragons 6 3 0 667 1 5 hanshin tigers 5 4 0 667 2 5 hated giants 4 4 0 500 3 0 beloved swallows 3 6 0 333 4 5 1 8 0 111 6 5 hiroshi yajima \( e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp \) ntt network information systems laboratories , 9 11 cho 3 chome musashino shi , tokyo , 180 japan , tel 81 422 59 , fax 81 422 59
tim cpsg com au \( timothy fox \) subject hot key screen saver \? lines 24 nntp posting host cpsg com au organization computer power software group pty ltd louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes well , renaming screensavers \( scr \) exe , running , , \( n't tried changing win ini , effect \) shows setup dialog box , n't enable saver mickey try exe \( save screen , c config , defaults c \) question tree falls forest one sees hears , fall \? rather many one tree take \? \? \? tim cpsg com au tim fox cp software pty ltd \( 006 640 133 \) ph 61 3 823 19 cato street , east , fax 61 3 822 victoria , australia , 3123 tim cpsg com au question tree falls forest one sees
aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) subject israel apartheid state organization university maryland , college park lines 202 nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu article 1993may10 colorado edu perlman qso colorado edu \( eric perlman \) writes article ag7 cville srv wam umd edu aap wam umd edu \( alberto adolfo pinkas \) writes want convince anyone usenet , real world read opinions others subject , sometimes present opinion think net useful exchange ideas never wanted want convince anyone anything fine opinion n't convincing anyone , 's getting refuted regularly facts \( case \) , n't likely opinions need revision \? said , want convice anyone , , opinions convince anyone \? believe opinions refuted facts first , repeat , never said idea jews right state racist zionism , movement , idea word utter complete horse puckey look term dictionary maybe youy view dictionary problem one thing accepted meaning word dictionary , sometimes completely different thing word came mean long time think zionism way defines jew , example , racist like ok , would define way , 're wrong definition among zionist movements know case , 's pointed net directly , yet continue maintain delusion ok tell many people zionist movements define jew different way , many define jew based religious way way believe irish right nationalism support bombing killing ira , believe jews right nationalism support zionism right comparing actions israel ira like comparing us chile pinochet \( example \) , ira role pinochet really need get history straight also need basic dictionary need start reading answering point movement claims nationalistic , mean consider nationalistic israel ira think starting put words mouth wrong stuff deleted pinkas statement , responding , asserted zionism uniform monolithic never said zionism monolithic going attribute things , present quotes said makes basis zionist movements however , considering , rest word n't believe words tell different story especially since based fact , innuendo misrepresentation problem could certainly interpret like running arguments first , put words mouth , , say ot believe makes interesting point people living jewish state shown jewish culture includes jewish religion , jewish people living jewish state shown us problems state 80 people secular judaism define according religious standards , marriage religious stage , law return defines jew according religious standard , n't ! nowhere law return demand one must religious even believe g become citizen israel n't try reading change \? say law return demand person religious \? , law return define jew \? said uses religious standard mother jew , jew , mother jewish , neither twist words , please true , debates israel abroad jew \? , debates taken religious secular would say religious people say \? would deny right free speech \? talking debate talking things right debate , 'll see happens right , things like let ask one thing understand israel citizenship nationality suppose \( ale \) f \( \) child israel nationality child 's id show , according one following cases \) f jewish b \) f c \) f muslim jewish \) f christian jewish e \) f non jewish israelis believe god never become non jews \? still define jew based religious definition \? 's called history think jews stuck together pogroms millenia europe \? know one think change order descent less legit \( religious jew 's point view \) 's plenty room zionism well know called history point ok , believe , according webster 's ninth new collegiate dictionary , merriam webster inc , publishers , springfield , massachusetts , u , 1986 , page 593 , hy ri sy one believe one , saying one believes zionism simple matter people right nationalism , disregarding right palestinian people , according dictionary , hypocrisy utter baloney way , believe palestinians right self determination , stated net , know 've seen interesting know \? ever talked forgotten \? right self determination cannot israel 's expense israel 's security comes first security must maintained 're also twisting words beyond belief think 's definition means context , need first grade course english definition talking \? know touchy never said support palestinian self determination gave example hypocrisy never said someone net guilty example nothing , nothing less clarify think \? n't use different meanings words dictionary , might believable several problems first , know words meanings given dictionary second , may come shock know words dictionary third , exchange ideas want , come nonsense believable using definitions given dictionary seems cannot answer ideas given others without insulting others sad facts resembled even slightest bit truth might believable put words mouth , might might start reading actually said far , come twisting said presenting things never said said way , answering find believable maybe , start reading actually said , added , might change mind fact nothing resembling fact 've said thread fact also 're using different definitions words based baloney anyone else first , nothing resembling fact added said , said , anyone else supposed mean \? eric perlman perlman qso colorado edu center astrophysics space astronomy , university colorado , boulder aap
alexander samuel mcdiarmid am2o andrew cmu edu subject svga monitors centris \( real story \) organization sophomore , mechanical engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 19 nntp posting host po4 andrew cmu edu reply jonathan ecn purdue edu real story \? hook pc svga centris internal video \? need make cable n't come one \? apple released tech note pinouts \? ask seems prices svga lower mac counterparts mike essentially answer yes least 600x400 configuration get adaptor called mac vga q james engineering \( 510 \) 525 7350 let display 600x400 800x600 monitor capable think 800x600 requires horizontal sync use sony 1604 \( gives slightly wider screen 832x624 adaptor hope helps
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject gamma ray bursters organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 16 prb access digex com \( pat \) writes 4 \) know 's real close , like slightly extra solar , parallax measurements bursts correct , parallax measurements bursts therefore , ca n't tell whether 're slightly extra solar ! \( means parallax ca n't tell us whether 's real close \) phil fraering seems like every day find sorts stuff pgf srl02 cacs usl edu like ancient mayans televison repo man
noring netcom com \( jon noring \) subject sinus surgery septoplasty organization netcom online communications services \( 408 241 9760 login guest \) lines 45 article kmldorf utdallas edu \( george kimeldorf \) writes article badboy netcom com \( jay keller \) writes \( 've already heard couple said n't really help \) moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see relief asthma sinus surgery also said unheard migraines go away sinusitis relieved ent also tell procedure may remove soles feet improve sex life \? actually , severe headaches due stopped sinuses \( plugged ostia \) possible , sinus surgery ostia normal 2 mm 10 mm relieve non surgical ways , however , keep ostia open \( however , individuals , ostia naturally small \) , dr ivker 's book talks underlying cause chronic sinusitis cured kind sinus surgery , though asthma , 's little controversial dr ivker , book , sinus survival , \( says 's proven \) , many cases asthma triggered chronic sinusitis due excessive \( \) sinuses 's many patients 've found relief asthma chronic sinusitis reduced eliminated clinical proof , compelling anecdotal information speculation sinus surgery , first get book discusses surgery , well good non surgical treatment program chronic sinusitis jon noring charter member infj club 're dying know infj means , brave , e mail , 'll send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 fred's gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone \( 510 \) 294 8153 chips world 's best ! livermore , ca 94550 v mail \( 510 \) 417 4101 \? read alt psychology personality ! 's action
gwittt alleg edu \( tom gwitt \) subject trivia question organization allegheny college lines 32 article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? clint malarchuk happened since \? assigned san diego gulls season believe player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? uwe krupp blues player , though uwe 's skate beleive cut clint since traded isles lafontaine deal ever happened hockey game \? time know tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu go sabres ! ! !
jgreen trumpet calpoly edu \( james thomas green \) subject logic jesus \? organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 12 dps nasa kodak com pontificated simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic cite example please post answer n't want receive e mail \( james green \) \( jgreen oboe calpoly edu \) times nations , priest hostile liberty thomas jefferson
theporch raider net \( chris lee \) subject 1 6 cdrom summary need help finding sc cdrom organization macinteresteds , nashville 's macintosh user group keywords hypercard cd cdrom lines 15 need help finding control cd rom drive aldus 1 6 apple hypercard cd rom toolkit work aldus clue apple clue berkeley mug boston mug wo n't return phone calls local user group idea help ! commercial shareware fine please reply email theporch raider net thanks ! chris lee macintosh consulting , america online po box graphics , interface design , compu erve , nashville , tn digital audio theporch raider net
utoronto ca \( senad \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organisation u toronto , dept mechanical engineering organization uoft mechanical engineering lines 21 prabhak giga cs umn edu \( satya prabhakar \) writes \( mohamed sadek \) writes like mr joseph biden say yesterday 5 11 93 senate condemening european lack action lack support us plans calling moral rape went say reason right religious bigotry actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims world get \? please read history books start talking something satya prabhakar senad
messi uku fi \( jarkko \) subject wc finland organization university kuopio , finland lines 8 disaster ! finland beaten czech 1 3 \( 0 0 , 1 1 , 0 2 \) finland 4th pool b certainly meet canada quarter final wednesday 28th lack scoring skills major problem team finland throughout tournament briza \( goalie \) mvp czech team tikkanen mvp finnish team jarkko 14
k4bnc cbnewsh cb att com \( john siegel \) subject ca n't set com4 answer organization distribution usa keywords ati conflict lines 14 gateway service confirmed suspicion , echoed couple people responded original request help ati vlb video board uses addresses com 4 could suggest work around returning df io card supplied com 4 \( even though could possibly work \) credit bus mouse free com port need bad original salesman suggested either df io card bus mouse would solve need port n't know enough hardware otherwise must say 486dx2 66 system worked well problems hardware software john siegel k4bnc cbnewsh att com
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject satanic tounges organization university georgia , athens lines 60 article may 9 05 40 36 1993 athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) writes seem many points speaking tongues thing problematic 's use prayer language seems especially troubling understand pray tongues , spirit talking pray , pray god spirit god , spirit talking go pentecost use 's actual language wrong spirit talking jesus us , romans 8 26 27 tell spirit us god theological problem tounges prayer language finds support corinthians 14 14 18 moreover , phrase though speak tongues men angels used paul cor misleading context would assume angelic tongue , speak , known language , angelic tongue true could \( \) used rug sweep difficulties valid point paul mention angelic tounges verse hmmm old testament story tower babel , see god punished giving us different language assume angels language , one amongst angels \? , punished manner languages result babel , stands reason angels would speak different language us valid point multiple angelic languages angelic beings maybe different species speak maybe different species communicate differently trouble , stories abound , attempts verification \( test spirit \) either show witness real idea circumstances , outright fabrication involved brother puka story previous post seems like friend friend thing , two syllable word hardly qualifies language , inflection heard eyewitness account , things hard prove n't lend laboratory thing well don' know holy thing take gifts laboratory anyway much many faith healers trouble proving victories \( since cured plain unprovable \) modern day never validated , true modern day proved clergy lay 's unprovable statement prove somethings proved \? way know 've seen evidence saw records complete photographs showing one patients severe cured constant prayer john g lakes prayed someone saw healed laboratory , according adventures god interesting book link
sun soe clarkson edu \( peter l \) subject x86 680x0 \? \? \( compare \? \) organization clarkson university lines 25 nntp posting host sun soe clarkson edu 2545500 jeff lab queensu ca \( peter pundy \) writes even better 68000 based amiga 2000 perform daily tasks compared 68030 based iici answer , except cases , get butt kicked amiga similar reason people work , used seeing sco unix running 486 , suprised see sun 3 home running faster w 16mhz 68020 sun designed ground unix , pc n't need processor run windows basic design box wrong \( would 've better ms put windows plug rom card day one \( priced 24 95 \) people loved apple right idea , stumbled bit execution pete peter l sun soe clarkson edu e mail saves trees documentation also makes enable software 518 877 8600 , world smaller
deca cs umn edu \( youjip \) subject information needed keywords mazda mx 6 nntp posting host deca cs umn edu organization university minnesota lines 7 hi ! first time post news group days , certain problem '88 mazda mx 6 , non turbo fuel injection engine warning signal dash board driving , signal turns , always mean \? manual , say go authorized mazda dealer really good idea n't think \? wanna know engine warning signal comes anybody give advice authorized mazda dealer give \? youjip cs umn edu
dxcern cern ch \( \) subject krillean photography reply dxcern cern ch \( \) organization cern european lab particle physics lines 40 article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org , gpivar maestro mitre org \( greg \) writes article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au , bill scorch apana org au \( bill dowding \) writes krillean photography involves taking pictures minute decapods resident seas surrounding antarctic pictures taken , perhaps bill oz bill , flame intended 're way , way base simple terms kirilian photography registers electromagnetical fields around objects , simple , takes pictures aura greg still , silent rest easy greg , flame intended , think missed one rare attempts humor sci skeptic krillean kirilian get \? \) btw , think 're bit base , since , knowledge , electromagnetic field around stone rather still , stone nice aura kirilian photographs n't remember , corona discharge think fitting expression aura think 'll find something skeptic faq cheers ,
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization university georgia , athens lines 37 article may 13 02 30 39 1993 1545 geneva rutgers edu noye midway uchicago edu writes believe one important thing wrote old new testament passages cited know scientific evidence support homosexuality least partly inherent rather completely learned note scientific evidence area prove conclusions evidence suggest certain part homosexual 's brains different heterosexuals proves little also notice apostles scientific evidence linking certain genes , stealing certain genetic problems even scientific evidence , doubt would stopped communicating teaching holy spirit things sinful reminds conversation professor mine said something true christianity teaches give every inclination people give leanings christianity , concept struggling flesh , bringing submission one person may problem temper , murderous heart , another may problem homosexuality , another may inclined greed god offers us opportunity sources find information , homosexual behavior recorded among monkeys animals , suggestive inherent rather learned , least word unnatural n't really apply preying mantis bites head mate mates natural woman thing husband \? bible concerned human morality , touches animal morality relates humans link hudson
galvint cs nps navy mil \( thomas galvin \) subject espn f ck organization naval postgraduate school , monterey ca lines 30 article wavefront wti com matthew wavefront wti com \( matt \) writes okay 's gripe ing \( \? \? whatever \) \( live santa barbara reference think \) okay , abc showed kings flames fine yawn espn \( fortunate baseball game \) showed red wings toronto game cool swear advertisements week long said espn would show pitt nj tuesday bos buff thursday raced home work early \( 4 30 pacific \) catch game , alas , boston buffalo game promised would show pitt nj game thursday overnight changed mind rest deleted espn never committed \( never saw advertised \) particular thursday game originally scheduled bos buf , somehow leaked net , knowledge espn never publicly released schedule monday announced pitt nj thursday boston buffalo saturday tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject bruins organization university toronto chemistry department lines 6 article 1993apr21 exu ericsson se lmcmasc noah ericsson se writes could anyone post game summary sabres bruins game grant fuhr rules ! \) gerald
ekr kyle eitech com \( eric rescorla \) subject part n't understand \? organization lines 37 nntp posting host kyle eitech com article 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes article hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com \( eric rescorla \) writes article 1993apr24 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? non religious reasons moment silence dead classmate \( 1 \) comfort friends showing respect deceased , \( 2 \) give classmates moment grieve together , \( 3 \) give friends moment remember classmate context school , \( 4 \) deal fact classmate gone 's disruptive later yeah , well good fact , though , pro school prayer types tried use moment silence way get prayer back high school instance , dear principal ended moment silence amen certainly see opposing amen n't require opposing moment silence see camel 's nose 'll back anybody else besides see vicious circle \? guarantee people want school prayer n't going back ca n't even manage get quiet moment kids pray silently i'm willing take chances winning whole thing , personally ekr eric rescorla ekr eitech com 've got failure communicate
pgf srl03 cacs usl edu \( phil g fraering \) subject henry spencer anyway \? organization univ southwestern louisiana lines 15 someone named hansk asked pictures well , archive format ftp uu net henry spencer 's picture somewhere , along several thousand others n't remember path , though easy find remember , though , seems use internet uucp addresses phil fraering number one good faith ! convert , pgf srl02 cacs usl edu tortured demons ! anon mahen missionary
bu edu \( michael feldman \) subject floptical kills superdrive lines 13 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 recently bought pli floptical drive , happy tried use format 1 4 hd diskette put hd floppy superdrive check floptical formatted correctly , superdrive refuses recognize floppy \( says disk unreadable asks want format \) even original systems floppies apple format disks try \( initialization failed ! \) strangely enough floptical still reads 21 mb 1 4 hd disks , cant look 800k floppies , crash i'm screwed floptical ca n't used start disk pli ideas \? happened anyone \? looking inexpensive storage solution , looking expensive repair help ! respond thread , email acs bu edu
wdstarr athena mit edu \( william december starr \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization northeastern law , class '93 lines 40 nntp posting host nw12 326 1 mit edu reply tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) note followup redirect \( \) alt conspiracy , talk politics misc article noose ecn purdue edu , tbrent bank ecn purdue edu \( timothy j brent \) said response p vasilion , n't pack heavy weaponry intent use n't really think allowed keep stuff \? , tell live sure steer well clear public also rights , placed individual go ahead , call commie , 'd singing different tune exercised right rape daughter broke law , threat society , job simple \( 1 \) evidence david koresh followers packing heavy weaponry intent use recreational self defense purposes \( 2 \) statement public also rights correct individuals comprise public also rights separate rights bearing entity known public \( 3 \) since rights public spoke fact rights individuals , statement rights public placed rights individual meaning \( 4 \) artificially created conflict individuals' rights speak right rape daughter person right rape another person , therefore conflict \( 5 \) define society \? hold society rights bearing entity separate individual people \? define threat society \? extent believe person loses rights declared \( \? \) threat \? william december starr wdstarr athena mit edu
kkeller mail sas upenn edu \( keith keller \) subject trivia question organization university pennsylvania , school arts sciences lines 18 nntp posting host mail sas upenn edu brought vein malarchuk \? saw happened wanted throw , time devastated , since thought malarchuk would n't survive btw , believe picked alcohol problem \( \? \) incident radically change subject , caps must nightmares isles overtime playoffs ever beaten islanders playoff ot game \? lunacy caps sorry team playoffs , consistently choke opponents beating losing two ot games row coincidence , 's evidence choke factor keith keller let's go rangers ! ! ! ! ! kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs ! ! ! ! corner let's go quakers ! ! ! ! ! weighing almost every weight imaginable life , surrounds blues traveler , 1993
vm univie ac subject tel 3d scanners needed ! organization university vienna lines 13 nntp posting host helios edvz univie ac hello , need make 3d scans would like phone numbers companies midwest make scans , numbers companies make \( ie cyberware \) anyone idea much single scan costs best format save \? sure software platform using , probably either wavefront think spline based format would best please forward numbers personally problems accessing usenet lately thanks advance ! patrick edvz univie ac st paul mn
nelson crynwr com \( russell nelson \) subject ip numbers ethernet cards distribution world organization crynwr software lines 16 article 1993apr21 217 uvm edu djohnson moose uvm edu writes possible either pin configuration software programming change ip numbers ethernet card \? ethernet card n't use ip number \( 32 bits , usually \) uses ethernet address \( 48 bits , usually \) never run across ethernet controller cannot programmed use address assigned decnet requires feature however , said , reason ever change ethernet address globally unique , first three bytes assigned manufacturer ieee , last three manufacturer russ nelson crynwr com thou say \? crynwr software crynwr software sells packet driver support 11 grant st 315 268 1925 voice lpf member ask , ny 315 268 fax harm software patents
zander eclipse sheridanc ca \( mark zander \) subject modems noisy lines nntp posting host eclipse sheridanc ca organization college , ontario , canada lines 11 used lot line noise problems 1200 baud modem put transformer line easily done getting large toroid core local electronics shop , toroid core ceramic metal , wind telephone line center core around outside five six times easy cheap fix use fix hardware problem talk yah later mark mark zander sheridanc ca
jplee cymbal calpoly edu \( jason lee \) subject braves update ! ! organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 24 seq uncwil edu \( kit \) comment made one braves announcers , attributed anonymous player friday night 's game , i'm sorry n't tie , wanted see umpiring sums sure , like ron gant n't completely line hirschbeck , would ejected , order , ron gant , every single last brave came onto field , possibly bobby cox , depending language used since cox brave , suspect would thrown simply cannot show umpire like ron gant disrespectful home plate umpire , dignity game jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e pi 1 0 beautiful equation mathematics magic sad words tongue pen , saddest number might john greenleaf whittier 150
dnbf01 bram cdx mot com \( jackson \) subject looking medical keywords medical nntp posting host bram cdx mot com reply dnbf01 bram cdx mot com \( jackson \) organization motorola codex , canada lines 30 wife looking skeleton male female body 're currently using windows draw import kind graphic formats therefore , anything please advise existance freeware commerical source turn since n't normally read newsgroup , please responds via e mail thanks advance jackson feeder networking engineering internet dnbf01 bram cdx mot com motorola codex , canada macintosh email mot com 400 blvd voice \( 416 \) 507 mississauga , ont , fax \( 416 \) 507 disclaimer opinions , motorola 's
jek cu nih gov subject atheists hell lines 21 sunday 9 may 1993 , kenneth engel writes \( substance \) told penalty sin eternity hell told jesus paid penalty , suffering jesus spend eternity hell objection presupposes forensic substitution theory atonement everyone believes atonement understands terms expansion statement , send messages get ruff get ruff get ruff get ruff listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inre asu edu note character gen zero want read beginning , start , james kiefer
dirr trenton edu \( albert dirr \) subject need specs western digital ide hd organization trenton state college lines 8 nntp posting host cs utexas edu 800 number western digital 1 800 832 albert dirr internet address dirr trenton edu student bitnet address dirr e major phone
bills feenix metronet com \( bill scott \) subject online help motif widget \? organization tx metronet communications services , dallas tx lines 28 article 1993may12 serval net wsu edu d3e758 bucky pnl gov \( je pelkey \) writes looking online help motif widgets \( public domain otherwise \) run sun sparc 'd especially interested help widgets integrate hypertext help , graphics , etc anybody know widgets like \? text graphics bristol technologies help clone help frame \( makers framemaker \) text graphical software technology xtra widgets \( includes help \) probably others \( check ics widget data book \) actually wrote one last company worked however locked internal reuse library \( good one ! \( imho totally unbiased view things \) \) bill scott bills metronet com hi graphics consultant wk 817 967 american airlines
rlglende netcom com \( robert lewis glendenning \) subject welcome police state usa organization netcom online communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 11 anybody heard explanation fbi using tear gas 35 mph wind \? n't seem like good tactics explanations \? lew lew glendenning rlglende netcom com perspective worth 80 iq points niels bohr \( somebody like \)
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject secret algorithm clipper chip crypto key escrow organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 9 nntp posting host access digex net though think overstatement , contain grain truth 's drug dealers , spies , terrorists , organized crime figures \( assuming enough probable cause convince judge \) need watched , law abiding citizens n't tell tell feds , , need get clue
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject countersteering sans hands organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 23 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article rtsg mot com , svoboda rtsg mot com \( david svoboda \) writes well , many bored bike tell , way steer sans hans push body side want lean also known , leaning say want turn left severely confused rambling ground pushing front wheel trail ground pushes front wheel toward left contact patch , trail cause wheel turn right hey , hands counter steering refers pushing inside handlebar effect lean hands countersteering oxymoron ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
staff tc umn edu \( \) subject fast modems slow macs nntp posting host staff tc umn edu organization university minnesota lines 1
dwilson csugrad cs vt edu \( david wilson \) subject looking audio video computer furniture items lines 35 organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 35 unless otherwise noted , mainly interested used items \( \) following sale , please contact email mbeck vtssi vt edu phone \( 703 \) 552 4381 usmail michael beck 1200 progress street 5500e blacksburg , virginia 24060 please give much info possible \( brand , age , condition , etc \) wanted , 4 27 93 computer equip 1 cheap \( 100 \) tape drive pretty much kind ibm \( used \) 1 memory expansion card ps 2 model 1 memory ps 2 model \( new used \) 1 high density \( 1 2 mb \) 5 1 4 disk drive external non computer equip 1 tv 27 bigger , stereo 1 vcr 4 heads , stereo 1 receiver 100 watts w dolby surround sound capability 1 bed full queen sized local offers , please 1 desk local offers , please due shipping constraints
quads uchicago edu \( dave \) subject tapes sale summary classic rock tapes , cheap reply midway uchicago edu distribution na organization university chicago lines 32 following cassette tapes sale 3 00 2 50 multiple orders , shipping included trades arranged cases somewhat worn , cracks , tapes good condition sound fine e mail posting account thanks 's greatest hits turner overdrive best \( far \) van doors best doors cars door door cars greatest hits phil collins face value jacket required tears fears songs big chair thanks , dave david nothing measurable matters university chicago good god damn midway uchicago edu e e cummings
mercury cs uregina ca \( chad \) subject asynchronous receiver recommendations \? organization university regina , sk , canada lines 9 looking suitable uart project require stand alone device \( e cpu controlled \) receive 1200 baud rs232 also nice extra would received data buffer please reply info thanks , chad university regina dept computer science
subject electronic parts nyc \? david cunyvm bitnet organization city university new york lines 3 anyone know find modem comm software apple iie \? would prefer manhattan , new jersey would work david , cunyvm cuny edu
jmilhoan magnus acs ohio state edu \( jt \) subject macintosh weenies suck scsi disks ! ! ! nntp posting host photon magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university lines 11 unknown class user writes snip think subject title says anybody relies scsi dick pain ass ! ! anything store eventually cause discomfort time jt
rdippold qualcomm com \( ron asbestos dippold \) subject challenge microsoft supporters originator rdippold happy qualcomm com nntp posting host happy qualcomm com organization qualcomm , inc , san diego , ca lines 31 jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) writes 's called free system suggests wish enhance dos , , sell , give away microsoft ca n't everything everyone ! period ! done , companies n't marketing budgets ms 4dos , instance , everything command com \( never could ms \) use usually find addictive crack cocaine rely word mouth sales seems worked pretty good far , corporate weenie manager type usually likes see big glossy ad pc magazine 's okay , marketing n't fundamental human right , 've got product 's superior dos command interpreter every way lot proud ms ms really gave damn , could duplicate , buy outright \( 've got money \) , even use old sending engineers help compatability issues technology dos mediocre product cheap price backed top notch marketing vendor agreements mediocre excusable early days someone else 's hack , 've ten years play interesting thought ms products i'm aware last years allow access names designers programmers easter egg screens , including windows , least names buried files thing dos 5 0 6 0 , ashamed names \? 's least one fool every married couple
graeme labtam labtam oz au \( graeme gill \) subject gamma correction organization labtam australia pty ltd , melbourne , australia summary faq contribution gamma lines 184 article gap caltech edu , cco caltech edu \( mark adler \) writes someone knows 're talking add faq entry gamma correction \? thanks get regular questions gamma correction since go great pains deal properly xli \( image loader program maintain \) explanation often use answer questions might suitable inclusion faq graeme gill note gamma correction images author graeme w gill graeme labtam oz au date 93 5 16 gamma stuff anyway \? although would nice think image image , lot complications whole bunch different image formats \( gif , jpeg , tiff etc etc \) , whole lot technical stuff makes dealing images bit complicated gamma one things 've ever downloaded images bbs net , 've probably noticed \( image viewing programs \) images look ok , look dark , look light \? may ask , gamma correction \( lack \) need gamma correction \? gamma correction needed nature crts \( cathode ray tubes monitors usually used viewing images \) sort real live scene turn computer image measuring amount light coming point scene , created linear un gamma corrected image good thing many ways manipulate image values image file light \( ie adding work like real light real world \) take image file turn pixel value voltage feed crt , find crt n't give amount light proportional voltage amount light coming phosphor screen depends voltage something like light voltage crt gamma dump nice linear image crt , image look much dark fix gamma correct image first need opposite crt image , things cancel , get want image gamma corrected image image \( 1 crt gamma \) crts , crt gamma somewhere 1 0 3 0 , seem complicated \? problem display programs gamma correction also sources images give linear images \( video cameras video signals general \) , lot images already gamma correction done , rarely sure much try display one images program gamma correction , image gets corrected twice looks way light display one images program n't gamma correction , look vaguely right , perfect , gamma correction exactly right particular crt whose fault \? really three things one display programs n't gamma correction properly another image formats n't specify standard gamma , n't way recording gamma correction third thing many people understand gamma correction , create lot images varying gamma 's least two file formats right thing utah graphics toolkit rle format semi standard way recording gamma image jfif file standard \( uses jpeg compression \) specifies image encoded must gamma 1 0 \( ie linear image everyone obeys rules \) image \( instance xli x11 image utility \) allow specify gamma monitor using , individual gamma values image trying view image viewers \( eg xv another x11 image program \) utilities \( eg pbm toolkit \) provide ways changing gamma image , figure overall gamma correction , allowing gamma correction image , gamma correction need suite crt monitor note xv 2 21 n't provide easy way modifying gamma image need adjust r , g b curves appropriate gamma controls altering intensity hsv controls n't right thing , fails take account effect gamma h tends give tint image figure viewer , gamma screen \? simplest way try loading file jpg \( provided xli distribution \) , jfif jpeg format file containing two grayscale ramps ramps chosen look linear human eye , one using continuous tones , using dithering viewer right thing gamma corrects images , two ramps look symmetrical , point look equally bright almost exactly half way top bottom \( find point helps move away little screen , de focus eyes bit \) viewer n't gamma correction , left hand ramp long dark part short white part , point equal brightness center viewer way setting right amount gamma correction display , equal brightness point center increase gamma , decrease center value usually around 2 2 xli instance , adjust display gamma flag , 've got right , set display gamma environment variable profile figure gamma image \? tricky bit general rule seems lot true color \( ie 24 bit , ppm jpg \) images gamma 1 0 \( linear \) , although many gamma correction seems majority pseudo color images \( ie 8 bit images color maps gif etc \) gamma corrected degree viewer gamma correction linear images look good , gamma corrected images look light viewer n't gamma correction , linear images look dark , gamma corrected images ok linear images sometimes good thing one reason many high quality formats \( video \) use gamma correction actually makes better use storage medium human eye logarithmic response light , gamma correction similar compression characteristic means images could make better use 8 bits per color \( instance \) , used gamma correction implication though , every time want image processing convert 8 bit image 12 linear bits retain accuracy since little popular software , none popular image formats agree standard gamma correction factor , difficult justify gamma corrected images popular level image formats particular gamma , image manipulation software takes care use extra precision dealing internal data , gamma corrected distribution images would good thing \( told kodak photocd format instance , standard gamma correction factor enables get highest quality bits used hold image \)
borut b lavrencic ijs si subject key registering bodies reply borut b lavrencic ijs si organization j stefan institute , lj , slovenia lines 24 article 327 demon co uk , graham toal gtoal gtoal com writes article 7hl netcom com nagle netcom com \( john nagle \) writes since law requires wiretaps requested executive branch approved judicial branch , seems clear one key registering bodies control judicial branch suggest supreme court , , regionally , courts appeal specifically , offices clerks 've got better idea give one set kgb c washington embassy , set red chinese imho , one place satellites \( space \) recovery done \( highly visible \) teams astronauts borut b lavrencic , sc x 400 c si mail p ac ijs lavrencic j stefan institute internet borut b lavrencic ijs si university ljubljana , phone 386 1 159 199 si ljubljana , slovenia pgp public key available request
steph pegasus cs uiuc edu \( dale stephenson \) subject neon deon sanders \( braves giants \) organization university illinois , dept comp sci , urbana , il lines 22 zippy telcom arizona edu r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu \( doug roberts \) writes anyone else like deon \? think 's hype 300 season last year good , i'm convinced reminds \( sorry \) year 1987 \( \? \) tim wallach hit 30 homers 127 rbi never even came close happening course , maybe prefer guys go business n't play attention ho tim wallach explained deion explained learning play game i'm betting deion able play well last year , think odds deion playing well better last year better odds otis nixon thing factor defense , otis valuable last year i'm convinced 'll valuable year , especially next year dale j stephenson \( steph cs uiuc edu \) baseball fanatic considered good look wise , especially overburdened information j golden kimball
csulo csv warwick ac uk \( mr j brown \) subject picking cable tv aerial organization computing services , university warwick , uk lines 29 nntp posting host clover csv warwick ac uk article 1993apr27 mav com mav com \( todd inch \) writes england \( \? \) require permits operate tv ! ! ! supposedly , tv police drove around rf detectors looking whatever produced receiver n't registered i'm guessing purpose something else could get away taxing n't know tv police urban legend actuality real , still pay licence fees receive tv detector vans pick , true tells channel watching also pick line time base freq , frame rate \( try lw mw radio near , picks sharp hum \) even watch \( poor quality though \) screen , picking radiating junk michael brown csulo csv warwick ac uk mjb dcs warwick ac uk lost interest \? \? 's bad 've lost apathy !
michael b taylor dartmouth edu \( michael b taylor \) subject help adding scsi drive \( coexist ide \? \) yes 1993apr22 oracle us oracle com organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 21 x posted internews 1 dartmouth edu article 1993apr22 oracle us oracle com ebosco us oracle com \( eric bosco \) writes dont think mix two types drive , unless one scsi ide cards available turn ide true \? \? \? impression people net scsi ide working together scsi ide drive working together years scsi supposedly pretty transparent types drives \( esdi , rll , ide , etc \) oftentimes need get correct drivers get work odd environments information purposes , st 01 card drive maxtor drive generic ide controller running together also scsi setup work combination rll drive , 1 drive
hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za \( steve hayes \) subject monophysites mike walker organization university south africa lines 29 article may 9 05 38 52 1993 athos rutgers edu nabil cae wisc edu \( nabil ayoub \) writes final note , oriental orthodox eastren orthodox sign common statement christology , monophysitism condemned coptic orthodox church believe monophysitism point seems overlooked many ending 1600 year old schism seems sight theologians said differences fundamentally ones terminology , faith groups parishes eucharist , southern africa running joint theological training course coptic byzantine orthodox still several things sorted , however far copts concerned , three ecumenical councils , byzantine orthodox acknowledge seven steve hayes , department missiology editorial department univ south africa , p box 392 , pretoria , 0001 south africa internet hayesstw risc1 unisa ac za fidonet 5 7101 20 steve hayes p5 f22 n7101 z5 fidonet org faq missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa
crs carson u washington edu \( cliff slaughterbeck \) subject homosexuality issues christiani organization university washington , seattle lines 58 ofm writes issue throughout presbyterian church side , one major churches cincinnati homosexual elders , ignored instructions church rochester judicial commission said could n't install homosexual pastor made evangelist situations , well one describe , appear stable certainly major topic general assembly next month church ca n't come solution let people live , think 're end split clearly neither side wants , think 'll get pushed actions sides clh moderator general assembly , rev john fife , visited church week ago \( 4 days rev 's busy week small church ! ! \) asked specifically issue homosexuality thinks happen ga meeting next month evidently , 15 20 known resolutions pending range outlawing homosexuality altogether legalizing completely readily admit difficult issue church deal since presbyterian church split two issue slavery 100 years ago without question , issue may split church 've reunited dozen years hopeful pushing attitude helped church deal abortion issue last year solution hoping pass resolution less states , members church agree disagree issue , admitting sides honestly studied scriptures spirit lead different conclusions worked last year abortion issue threatened less thing , hopeful ga foster loving caring attitude people disagree view cliff slaughterbeck dept physics , fm 15 's time sermon university washington grand ! seattle , wa 98195 's going hard agree disagree allow disagreement , churches going ordain people others recognize 's difficult situation church could live , think lot people would willing note church willing live kind compromise ordination women one thing definitely prevent person becoming presbyterian minister indicate n't accept ordination women argument ca n't half church accepting leaders half maybe people decide live case n't , wonder admit submitted ga would exactly effect , considered ambiguity better current situation clh
gorgen ann arbor applicon slb com \( david gorgen \) subject need help z buffering lines areas together organization applicon , inc ann arbor , mi \( usa \) keywords z buffer , roundoff , lines , areas lines 84 i'm asking help sticky problem involving unreasonably low apparent precision z buffering , 've encountered 2 different pex implementations ca n't find discussion problem resources lay hands \( e g comp windows x pex faq , gaskins 's pexlib programming manual , vendors' documentation \) i'm posting article comp graphics , virtually article test program demonstrating problem comp windows x pex problem hard describe without pictures , hence article run pexlib 5 x programs interested , encourage build run test program comp windows x pex see effect play approach dealing \( depends utility code gaskins book instructions fetching via anonymous ftp given \) problem solved eliminate minimize stitching artifacts resulting use z buffering polylines coplanar filled areas interpolated z values along line differ slightly , due roundoff error , interpolated z values across area , even endpoints line vertices area , 's whether z buffer allow line pixels area pixels displayed visually , result tends dashed line effect even though line supposed solid using pexlib api , approach solution use two slightly different pex view mapping transforms , two view table entries , one areas one lines pex structures immediate mode output must organized one view table index always effect areas , always effect lines result slight shift npc z coordinates lines , attempt bias situations favor lines shift effected moving front back clipping planes used pexlib view table entry lines hair backwards \( e smaller z coordinates \) , compared positions view table entry used areas means point transformed npc , z value slightly bigger comes line comes area , thus accomplishing desired bias would expect z roundoff errors cause problem amount units , entire dynamic range z buffer , typically 0 65535 \( e 16 24 bit z buffers \) therefore , seems tiny fraction range z front back clip planes ought suffice reliably fix stitching fact , experience shows shift much 0 003 0 006 range \( empirically , 's worst npc z component slope surface high , e appears less edge viewer \) 's 8 9 bits z buffer dependable meaning ! amount great one problem replaced another sometimes polylines show areas supposed lie behind 've observed problem hewlett packard digital workstation pex servers , approximately degree test program demonstrates problem mit pexlib 5 x implementation version known compile run hp ux system pex 5 1 open questions \( 1 \) happen \? configuring pex view table wrongly \? systematic difference z interpolation lines opposed areas \( e g pixel centers versus corners \) could corrected \? pex implementors z precision \? something else \? \( 2 \) \? fix use view table allow better precision z buffered \? another approach take remove stitching artifacts \? luck \? help would immensely appreciated ! dave gorgen internet gorgen ann arbor applicon slb com applicon inc gorgen slb com ann arbor , michigan \( usa \) uucp ! uunet ! ! ! gorgen
an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) subject continuing decay organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 22 reply an030 cleveland freenet edu \( broward horne \) nntp posting host hela ins cwru edu previous article , pyotr halcyon com \( peter hampe \) says military 's mission kill enemy escape surrender yes , \? still n't explained ca n't used enforce civil law certainly would done better job koresh call air strike chus pyotr pyotr halcyon com sometimes pyotr filipivich , sometimes owl optimist bagpiper beeper
subject boot sometimes fails lux latrobe edu au \( matthew gillard \) organization la trobe university lines 10 sometimes boot windows 3 1 , windows logo comes han gs , using dos 6 doublespace , 5 meg temp swap file uncompressed drive press reset button computer , windows boots fine \? \? \? dos 6 \? matthew gillard , blessed run around computer systems engineering , circles , shall la trobe university , known wheels
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject need advice ! \( i'm new rider \) organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 23 information could give would greatly appreciated ! ! ! ! send reply account , 'd like , back net chris 00cjmelching leo bsuvc bsu edu vivid imagination sez almost close enuff mail 00cjmelching leo bsuvc bsu edu users neal dod faq dod naw ! ! ! neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
ken isis cns caltech edu \( ken miller \) subject quack quack \( candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction \) organization california institute technology lines 59 nntp posting host isis cns caltech edu article hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) writes article netcom com noring netcom com \( jon noring \) writes \( p , may suggest seriously doctors wanna doctors net refuse open mind alternative treatments theories , yeast theory , create moderated group \? reason feel n't pointed sci med convincing empirical evidence support existence systemic yeast syndrome \? n't know first thing yeast infections scientist scientist would take statement convincing empirical evidence support existence systemic yeast syndrome tell anything except absence data question noring pointed catch 22 crazy theory true , probably could n't find direct evidence could n't observe present methods even noring fellow oklahoma \( sorry , forgot name \) also suggested one set anecdotal evidence favor based personal experiences namely , people certain conditions given anti fungals , many appear get better , evidence hypothesis example , controlled double blind studies showing anti fungals n't better sugar water let 's hear n't , anecdotal uncontrolled evidence one side , abject disbelief case , please , point yelling back forth longer since neither side convincing evidence either positive negative understand abject disbelief based existence people may get famous make money applying diagnosis everything sight , making wild claims evidence , always refusing controlled studies absolutely bearing apparently sincere experiences people net observing anti fungals working people certain specific cases also quacks sell oral , spite fact 's completely broken guts , n't change genuine scientific knowledge role fighting oxidative damage thing cause candida quacks , n't establish evidence candida hypothesis 's reason \( besides quacks \) , anecdotal , think could true , considered , net people talking , point arguing anecdotal evidence , convincing evidence , also candida quacks , hope everyone agree thus , appears main question whether proponents marshall enough anecdotal evidence convincing documented enough manner make good case carrying good controlled double blind study \( else , forget convincing anybody else carry test , carry ! \) also , whether adequately define patient population symptoms study carried provide fair test hypothesis ken
golem mit edu \( patrick j \) subject s1 , s2 organization massachvsetts institvte technology lines 32 nntp posting host golem mit edu reply steve b access digex com 's message 22 apr 1993 07 52 46 0400 article 102 access digex net , steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) writes second question ! \? ! \? strange procedure used , real rng \? turns s1 , s2 kind bottleneck system security theory makes sense s1 s2 either chips , vary among possibilities , anyone trying break encryption brute force need plow possible serial numbers \( 2 30 , one billion \) , multiplied number different s1 , s2 combinations suppose instead s1 s2 reconstructed given 3 4 unit keys generated single batch \( sort known plaintext attack , say \) suppose 3 4 chips programmed session never find way commercial products , instead end elsewhere suppose folks elsewhere determine unit key , given physical access one chips folks determine s1 s2 whole batch many \? yeah , probably pat
icf hrb com \( jeffrey weber \) subject xview , sun xgl , performance problem organization hrb systems , inc lines 16 've written application sparcstation 2 gx , openwindows 3 0 application uses xview stuff create window , sun xgl graphics library rendering canvas application real time 2 animation , update display fast enough i'm using notify set \( xview call \) periodically kick update routine , 's happening fast enough want update 25 times second 's 11 also , appears compute bound , run anything else , update rate slows even ideas \? thanks
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject lead acid batteries part 2 ! ! ! nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 80 lead acid secondary cell releases energy \( electricity \) following chemical reaction pb lead lead \( iv \) oxide sulfuric acid produce lead sulfate water heats formation deleted heat reaction 25 c therefore 60 6 per mole pbso4 produced note lead sulfate soluble \( 0 grams per 100 grams water 25 c \) , thus precipitate solution reaction occurring , cathode \( positive terminal \) battery \( almost sure positive terminal precipitate forms , may wrong oh well , n't battery , n't feel like thinking right \) major problem reaction takes place acid solution pbso4 soluble acid solution precipitate also , water solution so4 thus heats formation pbso4 part irrelevant important notice reaction , knew would , exothermic , energy discharging turns reaction indeed exothermic \( heat producing \) \( later \) actually happens make battery completely useless \( 're talking lead acid batteries course \) battery slowly self discharges discharge takes place two things happen level pb ions acid solution increases \( e lead lead oxide plates dissolved \) level ions acid solution decreases \( e solution becomes less acidic , like water like \) , post responding correctly stated , pbso4 precipitate water \( non acid \) solution battery dies \( e fully discharged \) end high concentration pb so4 water pbso4 forms solution falls bottom battery \( course happens varying degrees , discharged , precipitate forms \) precipitate forms conductive layer bottom battery enough lead lead oxide plates left touch precipitate \( common newer battery \) dead short results seen products automotive shops correct condition , part useless dissolve pbso4 cannot restore lead lead oxide plates properly may success products newer battery stuff deleted understand lead acid batteries indeed discharge faster stored concrete opposed wood earth \( dirt \) , one recall 's principle , paraphrased anything subjected stress act move comfortable position thermal selected materials stuff deleted 's principle comes play removing energy exothermic reaction drive reaction completion reaction normally occurs room temperature , keeping battery temperature requires removal heat produced concrete surface better heat sink dirt wood surface store battery corner poured concrete basement , 3 surfaces removing energy , pulls reaction along stuff made author completely invalid fact discharge reaction takes place higher rate higher temperatures logical consequence argument really want car start , lower battery temperature 50 reaction along know experience \( least us canada \( gets cold \) \) true want start car really cold day warm battery \( besides , enough energy released self discharge raise temperature air would dissipate heat , whether bottom battery insulated course irrelevant , since would want battery cool storage \) keep battery cool dry place keep charged !
wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wayne j warf \) subject flames net flames waco nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university distribution usa lines 34 article 1993apr22 magnus acs ohio state edu scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven casburn \) writes article goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu \( wa j warf \) writes article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvin e \) writes wo n't believe anything government says , press reliable according logic , base statements \? wild speculation laced healthy dose paranoia \? moron illiterate \? oh , forgot , 're guy n't know microwave oven need electricity , never mind 're guy n't know illiterate people ca n't write coherent sentences make superior somehow \? oh god , made typo used word god come burn house , must deserve steve casburn \( scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu \) across page across ages moving hand history kinder eye see us dream mark king wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu speak clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema
pv9955 albnyvms bitnet subject vw jetta gli help reply pv9955 albnyvms bitnet organization university albany , suny lines 17 considering 1987 vw jetta gli miles recently found two versions gli 8v 16v know three differences two cars carry name 16v version 20 horsepower , 4 wheel discs , standard sunroof oops , 's difference gli 16v regular gl ! ! addition engine , differences exist two models jetta gli \? importantly , tell version one \? badges said 16v inclined think 8v version assuming one \( one looked \) 8v version , valid reason buy instead equipped gl would cost less \? \( course would love get 16v version , money talks \) please email responses thank peter pv9955 albnyvms bitnet
carter ecf toronto edu \( carter edward \) subject squids dealers organization university toronto , engineering computing facility distribution na lines 28 article cbnewsl cb att com cbnewsl cb att com \( kevin l stell \) writes stuff chopped part concerned hg shop personel busy customers went back , said hg members fired rides obligatory 600 beasts point , one decided see much rubber katana 600 could deposit drive squids , thought appalled salesdroids manager condoned behavior , , point betting long could keep pull rode onto busy street around rush hour girl riding pillion another bike , seemed rather hormonal display , urged pilot quickly catch others followed , making sure could heard well felt um , gotta understand salesdroids call look way burn lotsa tire make lotsa money i'm sure knew stupid hg would seriously stop burning seasons worth tire \? \? squids probably would buy good low profile tire anyhow yep sure sneaky bastards ! \) regards , ted university toronto computer engineering '89 i'm taking ride best friend dod
pat rwing uucp \( pat myrto \) subject clipper chip technical summary organization totally unorganized lines 119 article 1993apr19 3420 guvax acc georgetown edu denning guvax acc georgetown edu writes following document summarizes clipper chip , used , programming chip coupled key generation escrow process , law enforcement decrypts communications interesting tell us , happens say ok , want something else law enforcement wants traffic , record , get search warrant , get keys , like would keys stout private safe , etc \( lets say suspect way trivially crack fed level , warrant , say nsa scanning keywords , etc , government abused great power past \) say mr vendor , want something different , independent paranoid sort , ya understand result sorry , without government permission , cannot sell anything secure , would sorry , know side bread , cannot sell except government people , law enforcement , 'special' people , opinion , would chances sure , sell secure system happy also , please kind tell us plans private encryption , say files transferred modem , ftp , data stored disk \? surely feel administration planning us people rather intimate relationship fbi , nsa , etc must certainly idea surely going say people know , late supposed government people people , n't \? , people government 's bosses \? bosses want know \( \) \( going see , kind nervous , last month , seen non stop stream ideas coming wash dc least appear strongly common trait limit privacy \( freedom govt eavesdropping \) , ability defend violent attack \( , 911 good enough , arrive time clean mess would dead depend 911 \) see , talk national smart id cards , limiting encryption , denial means effective personal defense \( eight bills congress right \) , looks awfully lot like whole thing able trace every activity individual cradle grave would take requiring national id card used transactions effective data protection , people suitably disarmed , would helluva lot could , would \? name war er drugs , course catch word wrong good old fashioned police work build case \? n't want burdened leave office , seems please read bill rights \( first ten amendments us constitution \) tell us reconcile big brother ish policy administration \( always kind , n't \? \) bill rights context people wrote \? reassure us please \( longer regarded necessary , seeing apparantly people input agenda , administration preferring make decisions secret , us \) n't sound much like people cannot help notice congress people involved mentioned press release find little bit curious , n't \? sure would like know vote come election time yes , upset feel part , recall posting heavily favor similar idea \( could thing , close \) months ago also recall well received apparantly powers really n't care \( told , \) see , clipper useful conversations n't want neighborhood kid listening serious security n't think would want trust bit might well use cleartext certainly corporations would rather dumb depend serious trade secret data , especially millions depended security given enough money , one could buy keys wanted buy crooked judge , crooked cop given hundred thou , would n't hard find , end criminals , terrorists , government real security , ability eavesdrop know first two , serious , ai n't going use thing communications bet government wo n't , either \( except perhaps order pizza \) tell us , prima face evidence criminal activity , someone using methods \? desire privacy longer regarded legitimate right unconnected citizen \? grounds fly door raid , confiscation one 's equipment , 'terrorist tools' , using civil forfeiture , inconvenient need prove wrongdoing part citizen \? yet another question , going see articles public magazines , consisting soothing text telling us great , nice government letting us illusion privacy \? government going kind let us exercise right \? want bet correct \? please answer questions citizens united states , right know government plans us goodness hearts funny thing , though proposals , n't feel one bit safer drug dealers , terrorists , common street thug beginning wonder greater danger lies entities , government gone control \? assure us , please far , n't seen much reassure lot greatly disturb pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 \( pat myrto \) seattle , wa else fails , try ! uunet ! pilchuck ! rwing ! pat wisdom two things infinite universe human stupidity , sure former albert einstien
v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) subject waco investigation organization temple university lines 5 nntp posting host vm temple edu x newsreader nnr vm 1 3 2 know yet holding hearings \? , , know committee question \? i'm sure many us potential questions 'd like send richard
b clark nwu edu \( brian clark \) subject unknown mac board national instruments nb dma 8 nntp posting host acns nwu edu organization northwestern university distribution usa lines 36 article news iastate edu , iastate edu \( kevin \) wrote need help identifying board found stuffed away corner title says , printed national instruments nb dma 8 fits fine mac iici snooper gives name board looks like hp ib connector back another connector top \( 2 rows 25 pins \) also looks like intel processor \( 16 intel '86 \) eeprom sticker p n 01 anybody ever seen heard one \? better yet , know \? clueless last option hook hp workstations see smoke comes 's made \( surprise \) national instruments bridge point parkway austin , tx \( 800 \) 433 ftp ftp natinst com 1991 catalog lists nb 8g follows fetch deposit dma controller \( 8 channels \) ieee 488 interface data rates 850 kb sec , dma programmed transfers 8 16 bit counter timer channels bus \( 's connector top board links national instrument boards list price board n't later catalogs nb
pekka hut fi \( pekka j \) subject diamond stealth 24 giving 9 4 winmarks \? reply balog eniac seas upenn edu 's message 19 apr 93 23 20 25 gmt nntp posting host gamma hut fi organization helsinki university technology , finland netnews upenn edu lines 16 article netnews upenn edu balog eniac seas upenn edu \( eric j balog \) writes posting winmark results , good idea give version winbench used obtain scores , well resolution tested version drivers n't anybody actually read licence agreement winbench blindly running \? licence agreement clearly says details hardware configuration , driver , resolution relevant facts must included giving winmark results davis wants everybody requirement makes sense , really ! plain numbers useless resolution , driver machine unknown pekka hut fi
lee sq sq com \( liam r e quin \) subject list programs open look user interface organization softquad inc , toronto , canada expires 2 jun 1993 04 00 04 gmt lines 576 id open look programs faq , v 1 17 93 03 21 17 17 55 lee exp locker lee contents subject applications application builders subject applications graphing tools subject applications utilities subject applications subject tools terminal emulators subject commercial applications subject applications toolkit extensions subject openwindows 3 ports subject xview 3 ports subject xview 2 ports subject games \( free commercial \) subject applications application builders commercial devguide 3 0 contact lets use drag drop create open look application xview , olit , uit tnt easy use free dirt might olit port ui builder commercial contact expert object one first third party gui builders support open look , using xview toolkit reviewed magazine 1990 commercial contact parcplace , debra frances debra parcplace com , 1 303 440 uib user interface builder supports building applications support open look motif generates code parcplace 's oi c toolkit make use user created note also display osf motif gui runtime free wcl uses x resources specify xt widget hierarchy actions user defined callbacks uses olit , xt motif commercial xvt contact xvt systems \( 1 303 443 \) lets write code common subset open look , motif , microsoft windows , macintosh gui , even terminals \( using curses \) buy xvt toolkit environment subject applications graphing tools free xview based program plots lorenz chaotic things real time also includes mathematical expression interpreter ftp tn cornell edu free ace gr graph analysis program , xvgr ftp ftp ccalmr ogi edu 129 95 72 34 xvgr 2 09 tar z ccalmr pub acegr handles x , , , fft analysis , running averages , polynomial fits , etc free robot scientific graph plotting data analysis tool contact robin astro psu edu description graph plotting various styles axes data manipulation arithmetic , functions , smoothing , folding , sorting fitting data using , , , user defined functions annotation graphs log files commands loops etc colour postscript output ftp astrod astro psu edu \( 128 118 147 28 \) pub astrod ftp files 35 tar z everything ftp files ps z documentation ftp files robot sun4 z binary built sparcstation requirements robot xview based user interface portions code written 'c' data manipulation code written fortran hence fortran compiler also required public domain f2c package alternatively , sparc binary available anonymous ftp subject applications utilities free boss description open look ui casio boss scheduler free props ftp export lcs mit edu pub contrib lib xview3 clients props description openwindows properties editor , appears choose properties item workspace menu free ftp export lcs mit edu description special purpose console window filter take special action specified console messages written chuck requirements xview free faces description displays pictures people sent electronic mail violates data protection act u k subject applications commercial 400 contact bim \( 32 2 759 59 25 \) sunbim x 400 address c p bim horizon g patrick notes complete x 400 electronic mail system consists user interface gives access x 400 services consistent look feel , message transfer agent \( mta \) system transfer messages x 25 , tp 4 tcp ip \( using rfc 1006 \) gateway smtp mail also available free description day week month year glance calendar almanac ftp export lcs mit edu contrib tar z contact bill , tektronix , inc saab cna tek com free description sunview program converted xview , included gnu emacs distribution free contact ian darwin ian sq com genealogy program , written c using guide incomplete jan '93 inquire details free workman audio cd player x11 \( sun , ultrix \) requirements xview libraries ftp ultrix binary ftp hyperion com workman ftp ftp ucsc edu incoming database 750 cds contact hyperion com \( steven grimm \) free pan notes free wais ftp sunsite unc edu description networked , distributed text retrieval system olit based front end notes might need add makefile free card index address book free xv display description xview program showing text file , like \( 1 \) commercial 1 0 contact sunsoft us 1 800 873 uk 0800 89 88 88 germany 01 30 81 61 91 france 05 90 61 57 platforms sparc , solaris 1 x price 249 notes full text search retrieval application designed improve individual group productivity makes index files later retrieve documents words phrases , ranking results relevance order commercial contact sunsoft notes conferencing software lets multiple connected users share drawing screen , bitmap capture pointer requirements run one per computer , cpu per conference member free man pages viewer free list manager ftp export lcs mit edu contrib 4 0 tar z , contrib 4 0 readme requirements xview libraries contact mike cs hope edu \( bitnet hope \) organisation hope college department computer science free name finder contact richard eng auburn edu 1 \( 205 \) 844 2280 ftp ftp eng auburn edu 131 204 10 91 pub name 2 tar z patches pub name 2 compile requirements openwindows 3 0 , c 2 1 greater recompile description name finder designed replacement name finder missing openwindows version 3 0 mailtool since grown tool several electronic mail related activities including interaction local listserv robots handling mail lists , requesting full name style mail aliases local postmaster , providing mailbox status information ala finger \( 1 \) name finder written c \( 2 1 \) using version 1 1 n't access c compiler , sparc executable included distribution free interface bibtex databases requirements xview ftp unibe ch 130 92 64 10 x11 1 11 tar z ftp includes source sparc binary sunos 4 1 1 version 1 11 description gui bibliography databases used latex , tex framemaker free interface ftp ftp ftp chpc utexas edu file packages x 1 1 tar z contact bill jones jones chpc utexas edu requirements x11 , olit motif athena widgets notes formerly called compiles \( least \) ultrix , aix 3 1 5 , aix 3 2 , convex os , sunos , unicos 6 1 4 , irix uses olit bug also use osf motif athena widgets free olvwm open look virtual window manager contact scott oaks ftp export lcs mit edu contrib directory patches two patches requirements xview 3 description olvwm version olwm manages \( hence name \) shows little map screen , currently displayed area represented little rectangle move around dragging rectangle arrow keys lets run several clients \( applications \) move display around one olvwm derived openwindows 3 0 olwm free open look front end ftp requirements xview ftp export lcs mit edu contrib free contact turing institute requirements openwindows 3 \( running xnews server , x11 \) hypertext package written entirely news runtime turing com pub ftp uu net \( graphics news 5 runtime tar z \) maestro \( ftp stanford edu \) multimedia authoring tools , including support sound , text video \( ftp export lcs mit edu \) xview based newsreader netnews free xvttool ftp cs dal ca pub comp archives ftp inria fr x contrib clients ftp lth se pub netnews alt sources dec xvttool z ftp src doc ic ac uk usenet comp archives x11 terminal xvttool description vt100 102 emulator , xview sunview versions includes buttons pf keys , etc subject postscript graphics viewers commercial pageview postscript previewer contact included openwindows part deskset notes type 1 support openwindows 3 0 1 solaris 2 1 support colour openwindows 3 try pageview aa dpi 150 note pageview uses x11 news server interpret postscript , thus wo n't run x terminal non openwindows server 's enough open look ui tm window manager olwm commercial postscript program editor previewer contact included openwindows 2 0 demo share src notes runs openwindows 2 commercial psh contact included openwindows simple interface news openwindows server free ftp export lcs mit edu contrib clients notes crispin 's postscript interpreter , much hacked open look compliant type 1 font support versions called , , etc n't confuse one mentioned free ghostscript \( free software foundation \) supports type 1 fonts open look based subject tools terminal emulators free cmdtool , shelltool requirements xview 3 toolkit notes included xview source distribution export lcs mit edu contrib 're also included sun 's openwindows commercial contact micro resources inc , , ohio , usa , 1 614 766 notes version xterm open look ui , print interface , ansi x3 64 colour escape sequences , etc commercial contact bristol group ltd , 1 415 925 \( 49 \) 6105 \( germany \) requirements openwindows 3 \( \? \? \) products , , power base notes olit based terminal emulator could n't get demo version give shell prompt , although look like pretty emulation , double height characters , colour , fonts , forth union flag \( british flag \) logo somehow expected english address , perhaps bristol subject commercial applications contact sunsoft \( sun \) ask catalyst open look guide , lists 200 pages applications also get free cd rom , contains demo versions several popular open look ui applications 've done , often simply contact vendor concerned license upgraded demo , receive full product documentation product name author editor sgml based text editor word processor company name softquad inc , 1 416 239 , mail sq com description word processor text editor iso sgml documents interfaces open look ui \( xview \) , osf motif , mac , ms windows subject applications toolkit extensions product name xtra company name graphical software technology e mail info gst com phone 310 328 fax 310 376 keywords graphics , library , widgets , spreadsheet , help interfaces open look , motif platforms sparc , 400 700 , ibm rs6000 , interactive 386 requirements x11 , xt , xol \( xm \) libraries headers x11 price 795 single user , 3000 network , 5000 source support price 400 30 calls source available yes description xtra library contains set widgets compatible either olit motif widgets library includes widgets implement following spreadsheet , bar graph , stacked bar graph , line graph , pie chart , xy plot , hypertext , hypertext based help system , data entry form widgets successfully integrated teleuse telesoft builder ics free demo available supported platforms product name xrt graph company name kl group e mail sun com ! ! klg ! info , info klg com phone 1 416 594 1026 description xrt graph graph object extends xview toolkit also xt versions olit motif xrt graph supports line plots , scatter plots , strip charts , bar charts , stacking bar charts , pie charts filled area charts , combination supports real time updates , true postscript output , intelligent user feedback comes builder , graph prototyping tool , supports code resource file generation free demo \( \) available free integration kits uim x , teleuse , builder \( others progress \) availability xrt graph xview olit available sparc xrt graph motif available dozen platforms free slingshot xview extension slingshot provides rectangles \( like xt gadget \) , drag drop support , images , icons text , trees , lines , arrows get ftp export lcs mit edu , contrib 0 tar z \( remember use binary mode ftp ! \) also get sending mail archive server eng sun com body message containing line like send 0 going send 0 send 0 send 0 ask one file time reduce impact intermediate mail sites ask mail server help subject line help human reached archive manager eng sun com add line message path mail address think normal automatic reply address might work ada bindings xview sun ada 1 1 includes among things ada source code generator devguide uses xview ada bindings yet july 1992 support \( guide file manager \) c bindings xview qualix 's xv uit subject openwindows 3 ports sun sparc , sunos 4 1 sun sparc , solaris 2 \( actually 3 0 1 \? \) others none far said \( sun \) two three ports openwindows either available progress contact anthony flynn open international \( anthony com \) information \( originally said 35 , perhaps meant 3 5 \) openwindows source available commercially , costs 5 , 000 server , including toolkits deskset \( etc \) another 25 , 000 tooltalk 40 , 000 subject xview 3 ports xview 3 system apple ux porter org \( lou jones \) ftp org notes libraries utilities \( olwm , cmdtool , etc \) available anonymous ftp org used gcc 2 1 compile sources enough interest , make diffs available system concurrent 7000 \( 68040 based \) porter boeing com \( \) system decstation ultrix porter com \( dave scott \) ftp media lab media mit edu ftp xview3 ultrix 4 2 mips tar z notes let stress fully tested , seems work pretty well please let know problems find problems already know large buttons non sun x server \( non xnews e standard mit 45 server \) bottom button chopped 're working one \) xview 3 also available dec freeware cd , actually seems dave scott 's port please accept apologies listing incorrectly correct entry appear soon get necessary information lee system hp 720 porter \( \? \) ftp tesla ucd ie 137 43 24 44 , pub notes includes hp 720 build , hp xview patch file , xvgr system hp9000 300 series porter ecs ac uk \( tim chown \) system hp9000 7xx series ftp ftp csc liv ac uk \( 138 253 42 172 \) hpux x11 xview 3 part 123 tar z system intel \( i386 \) porter dawes physics su oz au \( david dawes \) ftp ftp physics su oz au , physics su oz au esix 4 x11r5 hierarchy notes patches esix 4 0 3 work dell , isc intel svr4 worries files readme xview3 xview3 diff z see also linux system ibm rs 6000 porter tmcconne sedona intel com \( tom mcconnell \) compiler ftp export lcs mit edu contrib xview3 fixes xview3 unofficial patch z notes still problem tty support rs 6000 instance , cmdtool work still , everything else works already installed previous patch , put separate patch shared library problem file contrib xview3 fixes xview3 xview lib patch z system linux porter kenneth ericsson se gcc 2 3 3 , 2 ftp tsx 11 mit edu pub linux binaries usr bin x11 ftp sunsite unc edu notes olvwm , uit system sgi porter rainer ifi unizh ch ftp export lcs mit edu contrib xview3 fixes xview3 sgi unofficial patch tar z notes system solbourne series 5 porter tmcconne sedona intel com \( tom mcconnell \) subject xview 2 ports general , point using xview 2 xview 3 available 's good idea look xview 3 port first moving xview 2 xview 3 usually simply matter , unless 've done dirty tricks used undocumented calls system stellar \( stardent 1000 \) stardent 1500 3000 porter scripps edu \( andy \) ftp scripps edu \( 137 131 152 27 \) pub xview directory notes stardent kubota pacific \( kpc \) system harris nighthawk 4000 system \( cx ux unix \) porter andy harris nl \( andy warner \) status commercial system sgi iris porter \( \? \) ftp wuarchive wustl edu graphics graphics sgi stuff xview system vax vms porter tgv inc \( \? \) notes steven afterlife ncsc mil wrote company called tgv makes product called xview vms made xview 2 0 libraries n't seen advertising xview 3 0 libraries yet subject games \( free commercial \) commercial flight simulator gx equipped sparcstations contact artificial horizons inc , interest com 1 415 367 requirements openwindows \( 2 3 \) , sunos 4 1 later , sparc gx free minesweeper game based contact lee sq com , include subject requirements openwindows 3 0 later toolkit tnt 3 free free pacman game ftp ftp uu net usenet comp sources games open look pacman \( tm \) surrogate appears debugger bad guys code bugs move around screen \( good guy \) chase 19 monitor eats bugs commercial contact dux software , los altos , ca price us 89 requirements openwindows 3 \( uses news \) n't run 4 110 \( free spider \( included openwindows \) patience style card game two packs cards excellent bitmap cards suggest allow cards rounded edges free \( ftp export lcs mi edu contrib 2 1 tar z \) motif olit based tool constructed get ready liam quin , manager contracting , softquad inc , 1 416 239 lee sq com open look ui faq list news game lq text text retrieval
bockamp informatik tu muenchen de \( florian bockamp \) subject matrox pg 1281 cv windows driver originator bockamp informatik tu muenchen de organization technische universitaet muenchen , germany lines 22 hi ! need windows 3 1 driver matrox pg 1281 cv svga card moment windows runs 640x480 mode driver card , please send inf bockamp informatik tu muenchen de thanks ! florian bockamp ''' bockamp informatik tu muenchen de \( \) ooo \( \) ooo 's bug , 's undocumented feature !
kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov subject space dock organization nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 x posted jsc nasa gov nntp posting host sol ctr columbia edu lines 42 article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes build inflatable space dock henry spencer \( henry zoo toronto edu \) wrote 're large scale satellite servicing , able pressurized hangar makes considerable sense question whether anyone going large scale satellite servicing near future , point justifying development thing 's mighty fine idea since asked , 'll respond putting aside application space dock , factors consider pressurized volume temperature control difficult space , inflatable hangar incorporate thermal insulation \( maybe double inflatable \) protection radiation protection also required n't think clear plastic bubble 's likely look like big white ball made kind multi layer fabric soft space suits made today almost manned space vessels \( skylab , mir , salyut \) used increased structural rigidity , even though \( \) metal skins , still kind qualify inflatable inflation process would carefully controlled space environment reduces exposed materials \( due temperature extremes , oxygen , radiation effects materials \) , fabric may retain flexibility long \( may matter \) even inflation , pressure changes hangar may cause flexing fabric , could lead holes tears decreases technical difficulties llnl proposal inflatable space station dealt varying degrees success ken jenks , nasa jsc gm2 , space shuttle program office kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov \( 713 \) 483 4368 good ideas common 's uncommon people 'll work hard enough bring brilliant
mccullou cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) subject gulf war peace niks organization university wisconsin , madison computer sciences dept lines 45 article 930421 rusnews w165w mantis co uk mathew mathew mantis co uk writes jbrown batman bmd trw com writes problem peace niks consider us like bad unconscionable would argument problem peace nik held ideals stayed conflicts issues , especially dealing national defense , willing allow us legitimately hold different point view many times resort violence name peace yawn another right wing wasp imagining 's oppressed minority perhaps right personal attacks \? would argument problem peace nik stayed conflicts issues \? bet would n't 'd love deliberate misinterpretation persons statement \? \( cutting part statement , tries blunt thrust sentence never addresses issue peace people holding true ideals \) makes think sitting back , saying nothing defense issues , letting people like make decisions anything ideals \? ignoring challenge \? \( ignores challenge peace tend quite insistent everyone accept ideals world , even turned quite violent \( witness , chicago , summer 1968 \) \) mathew paranoia \? \( assumes anyone argues viewpoint must masturbate \) fire oven , n't hot enough ! mccullou whipple cs wisc edu never program drink beer 2 time n't work
thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) subject v4 v6 v8 v12 vx \? reply ssave ole cdac com 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 19 17 44 gmt organization communicator nexus ab lines 32 article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com \( devil reincarnate \) writes curious knowing commericial cars today v engines v4 n't know v6 legend , mr3 \? mr6 \? vw golf passat 2 8l vr6 \( inline v6 ! \) , narrow angle \( 11 deg \? \) , one head audi 80 100 2 6 2 8l v6 v8 n't know audi v8 3 6 4 2l mbs bmws v12 jaguar xjs bmw 750 850 mb 600 please add list thanks , ssave ole cdac com real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden
i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) subject yet rushdie islamic law organization technical university braunschweig , germany lines 37 article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes \( deletion \) 's original answer say head necessarily ass , would meaningless pointless n't see header referring bob poster responding distinctly remember thinking responding wrote , case would make apologies event fact responding bob , hereby apologize bob insinuating thing sorry bob hand , could ben head far ass ca n't tell bob sorry , gregg , answer post mine quite fond using abusing language whenever think religion misrepresented way , trouble telling apart bob beauchaine still wait answer quran allows beat wife submission quite upset claim , correct , said n't asked consequences case would quran , simply ceased respond thread found meantime holy book \? consequences \? upset show \? simple inherit morals book , ie suddenly ok \? correct say words muhammad reflect primitive machism society \? spent time new gained freedom \? benedikt
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject braves giants organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 15 nntp posting host apple com fls keynes econ duke edu \( forrest smith \) writes situation giants' bleachers case point need commissioner okay , i'm curious \? commissioner fly stand pitchers mound yell fans sit , \? chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
organization penn state university psuvm psu edu subject direct video memory lines 12 hi i'm looking information directly manipulate video memory application would like use , much faster going bios know video memory system area first 640k , guess looking find exactly section memory , layed thanks regards , gordon rogers psuvm psu edu void signature \( void \)
fil sapienza med umich edu \( fil sapienza \) subject people become atheists \? apology organization university michigan hospitals lines 15 article may 11 02 37 42 1993 athos rutgers edu maxwell c muir , muirm argon gas organpipe uug arizona edu writes instead , i'm still faced implication atheism kind aberration broken people atheist , original poster article , apologize implied atheism intent apologize hurt feelings process sapienza department technology services university michigan hospitals surgery fil sapienza med umich edu
halat panther bears \( jim halat \) subject 2000 years , say christian morality reply halat panther bears \( jim halat \) lines 129 article 930419 rusnews w165w mantis co uk , mathew mantis co uk \( mathew \) writes mccullou snake2 cs wisc edu \( mark mccullough \) writes article 30136 ursa bear com halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) writes atoms objective n't even real scientists call atom nothing mathematical model describes certain physical , observable properties surroundings subjective deserves framing really atoms n't even real tell , atoms seen electron microscopes atoms , \? imaginations \? evidence atoms real overwhelming , wo n't bother evidence moment ha ha ha ! sorry , studied cell biology , say see electron microscope , therefore real laughable statement stuff deleted thank thought twilight zone moment still amazes many people science backgrounds still confuse models even would call real world jim halat article ursa bear com , halat panther bears \( jim halat \) writes article 1993apr17 princeton edu , phoenix princeton edu \( david aaron \) writes liberal arts major , \? guess never saw photo smallest logo world ibm made noble gas atoms \( krypton \? xenon \? forget specifics \) atoms , trees , electrons independently observable verifiable morals n't see difference \? record \( kind information would likely affect thinking \) focus penn photo smallest logo world atom make observed something measure matches mathematical model call atom predicted much way need particle model wave model light , atomic model mathematical representation physical phenomena model probably continue change time makes subjective \( model \) however , model gives us objective way talk physical world put another way , quantum mechanical model atom allows discussion atom give repeatable unambiguous results , objective however , bohr einstein mid century , interpretation , observable measurements quite subjective bohr said observable randomness atomic motion inherent nature universe einstein said particle motion deterministic , measurement shortcomings introduced randomness talking exact results , though jim halat
dempsey stsci edu subject hst servicing mission distribution na organization space telescope science institute lines 22 article 1993apr28 1 stsci edu , zellner stsci edu writes never heard serious consideration hst might brought would horrendous cost transporting , back january february several articles \( wash post , time \) saying nasa considering option considering followup mission 6 12 months servicing mission however , time estimated year \( servicing , checkout , training another shuttle , orbit verification \) quite expensive think may mental exercise real plan n't know robert dempsey \( 410 \) 338 1334 stsci hath stomach fight , let depart passport shall made , convoy put purse would die man 's company fears fellowship die us shakespeare
fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) subject bill targets pension funds liberation reply mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com 's message mon , 19 apr 1993 17 14 37 gmt nntp posting host graphics cs nyu edu organization courant institute mathematical sciences ncratl atlantaga ncr com lines 24 article ncratl atlantaga ncr com mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) writes master cna tek com mikeq freddy cna tek com \( mike quigley \) writes excerpts insight magazine , march 15 , 1993 paranoia part deleted n't insight magazine published \? n't remember article removed ca n't comment comment though response really believe wrote sufficient refute article \? facts addition opinion \? one time chase every rumor gets printed national enquirer whatever point wait see assertions \( rather bizarre \) original post way perhaps recent posts rather bizarre original poster speak david
subject right \? casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 78 joakim ruud \( joakimr ifi uio \) writes recently , 've asked rather interesting question right god lives \( always assuming god , course ! \) \? \? infinite wisdom , made perfectly clear n't live according rules , burn hell well , right god make desicion \? let 's say , sake argument , god creates every one us \( directly indirectly , n't matter \) happens , first creates us , turns us lose well , n't ask created let 's make analogue scientist creates unique living creature \( happened , even patented ! ! ! \) , right expect behave certain matter , die \? dear joakim , let begin saying excellent questions , asking , find many different explanations respondents latter day saint , believe us \( , , etc \) lived spirit children god father \( hebrews 12 9 \) pre mortal existance order continue eternal progression , earthly time required \( live faith , sight , choose good evil , prepare things become worthy higher order existance \) believe god 's spirit offspring assembled discuss specifics earthly one third chose lucifer 's plan , followed firstborn \( pre mortal jesus christ \) lucifer 's aspirations \( throne stars god isaiah 14 12 17 , etc \) resulted rebellion followers firstborn followed , resulting casting lucifer \( became satan , father lies \) one third hosts heaven \( tail drew third part stars heaven , cast earth revelation 12 4 \) demons \( evil spirits \) get back choice born earth , subject god plan \( good bad , based upon obedience choices \) , made choice individually \( god speaking job wast thou laid foundations earth , morning stars sang together , sons god shouted joy \? job 38 4 7 \) lost knowledge pre mortal existance \( veil forgetful ness , somewhere psalms \) , order live faith , sight may accept scenario , neither quite rely bible alone , offers fragmentary insights particular aspect existence individuals , sons daughters god god impose rules us \? tell god really righteous god likes us believe \? christians flock sheep , unable otherwise follow rest \? hmmmmmmmmmmmm \( christians , definition , flock sheep , following shepherd understand \) event , christians believe theology , one latter day saints believe \( cry heresy accusations perverting doctrines bible , believe myriad interpretations , found various bible study manuals \) , personal conviction pre existance scenario explained , harmony biblical doctrine , dead sea scroll books , , \( jewish \) sources , last least , modern day revelation subject want point sarcasm , mean one deal man convinced acting according god 's , jokke fore believes favour stabbing back \? voltaire casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities
reid ucs indiana edu \( frank reid \) subject solvent duct tape adhesive \? lines 17 nntp posting host reid ucs indiana edu organization indiana university article 1993apr26 socrates umd edu johng socrates umd edu \( john gustafson \) writes know long shot , anyone know solvent use clean duct tape adhesive carpet \? may tease sub thread discussion \? please tell remove stickers new houses' appliances outdoor lampposts \? especially , right glass n't something rub stuck labels release death grip glass hard surfaces \? petroleum , available hardware stores , remove frank reid ucs indiana edu
bclarke galaxy gov bc ca subject opinion means organization bc systems corporation lines 6 c'mon guys motorcycles booze n't mix said bruce clarke b c environment e mail bclarke galaxy gov bc ca
koberg spot colorado edu \( allen koberg \) subject packet radio pc nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder lines 6 i'm looking information regarding packet radio implementation pc software , hardware , whatever please e mail info koberg spot colorado edu thanks
iop iie edu tw subject program wm protocols wm delete window olit organization lab lines 8 hi , study wm delete window atom open look study book unix desktop guide open look , run example chapter 8 , result described book 's figure 8 1 dose anyone read book \? run example \( c \) \? problem \? curious wm delete window programming anyone help \? thanks advance help ! ! ! iop
\( michael sawyer \) subject clipper stuff organization university hawaii x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 distribution inet lines 25 ben \( ben genesis mcs com \) wrote clipper fairly secure leaves distinct clipper signature , 's difficult tell msg clipper encrypted , even ca n't tell contents \? case , anyone trying hide behind encryption scheme stand traffic raise red flag nsa , etc think obvious answer \( may posted , n't seen \) encrypt data scheme , run clipper way police able detect encryption wiretap , even notice illegal wiretap , hard time seeing judge issuing warrant search confiscate illegal scheme \( assuming one day , comes worse case \) based illegal wiretap , maybe idealist ben internet ben genesis mcs com ben tai chi il us michael sawyer opinions mine , necessarily uh 's , nsf 's , nasa 's university hawaii physical oceanography satellite remote sensing ripem public key available ,
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject good jesus died \? organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 30 article gyx netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes long 're trading secrets , let tell y'all one got really bad feeling heart back christian could n't really , something felt cheap wrong whole affair devout follower , even bible banger , eventually started ringing terribly hollow felt torn began disagree lot bible \( priests \) told made finally realize either wrong , else bible wrong since felt reasonably sure , decided start analyzing bible closely catalyst break faith , though long difficult effort brian , checked priests told bible see whether telling truth \? know according bible , n't even things priests anymore \? know established old testament begin reasons jesus , priests roman catholic church 300 years later devised doctrine ignoring whole concept beyond book hebrews \? said analyzed bible closely think lying , would think would least got doctrine hell straight beef jesus \? specific point verses
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization dsi uscrpac lines 30 brad yearwood posts long response issue registering phone clipper relationship n't wash recall law enforcement gets court order tap suspect 's phone calls figure lines tap record stuff 's clipper , read law enforcement block , extract serial number , get keys using court order new difficulties \( using someone else 's phone instrument phone line \) introduced would n't existed absent clipper crooks going use pay phone \( say \) , could done without clipper government figures 're , listen , 's clipper conversation get serial number keys crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business clipper chip person association ever needed david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
rex edu \( justin lee \) subject satan kicked heaven biblical \? organization health sciences center , university oklahoma lines 13 someone asked biblical support image satan fallen angel rev 12 7 9 enoch cited clh also verse luke \( \? \) says jesus saw satan fall heaven 's something like n't bible front would quote directly , 's pretty obvious reference satan 's expulsion justin believe reference luke 10 18 context passage makes possible jesus referring satan defeated jesus' mission , rather previous fall heaven clh
ree88132 zach fit edu \( keith ledig \) subject references ic nntp posting host zach fit edu organization florida institute technology , melbourne , fl usa lines 20 looking text reference include pinouts , description , functionality ic made text exist \? docs internet reference ic 's \? would great idea major ic manufacturer made available public anonymous ftp site 's data books form text files \( ala rfc style \) would save time money ic manufacturer since text file costs nothing send around world via internet since users ic 's found internet anyway books available purchase reference \( many possible \) \? going stuck obtaining zillion databooks manufacturers \( little type books obsoleted every couple years \) \(
neuhaus vier informatik uni kl de \( stephan neuhaus \( \) \) subject clipper crap nntp posting host vier informatik uni kl de organization university kaiserslautern , germany lines 19 kckluge eecs umich edu \( karl kluge \) writes article 1993apr17 9555 csus edu sphughes sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( shaun p hughes \) writes random passing thought , anyone cite documented use encryption technology criminals terrorists \( excluding iran contra gang \) couple days ago , heard radio news neo nazi organization set bbs keep members informed according radio man , nazis using encryption reduce risk prosecuted , information fun stephan neuhaus informatik uni kl de sig closed inventory please leave outside pgp 2 2 public key available request note expiration date
jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) subject cult practices fbi organization open communications forum lines 10 broadcasting amplified sounds tortured rabbits \? burning alive men , women , children \? hands truly sick puppies jim hart jhart agora rain com arlen specter president '96
ampex com \( steve russell \) subject cpu fans nntp posting host rcs organization ampex corporation , redwood city ca lines 58 article 1993apr20 mfltd co uk nmp mfltd co uk writes got 66mhz 486dx2 system , considering getting fan cpu processor running hot touch think fairly good idea \( long ago electronics training read somewhere regions within chip define junctions gates etc slowly diffuse time increases temperature , hence hot chip goes spec sooner \) anyone got cpu fan \? \? yes 1 type \? yes , seen glue , tape , clip , one inch square larger favorite 3 5 inch plastic u fan use top chip open case service remove cpu install fan \? depends mounting cpu fans derive power spare drive power lines \? manufacturer smart anyone trouble cpu fans \? goes got blanket effect n't help chip life anyone evidence cpu fans complete waste money \? longer system life makes good economic sense fans attached \? \( glue \? clips \? melted cheese \? \) yes well , melted cheese roughly much cooler cpu fan opposed without \? lets touch surface rule thumb cooling solid state \( advert 've read claims vs \) info appreciated , attached fans look slick work well i'm bothered potential loss cooling fan goes least power supply fan reach back every days feel fan blowing prefer put stock fan drive brackets front panel blow air across cpu depends lot case board layout , though chip fans fry 's electronics sf bay area 30 00 get stock power supply fans 11 00 steve
microsoft com \( david \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation lines 43 article 1993may16 gps leeds ac uk csympc scs leeds ac uk \( p \) writes article feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com \( jack hudler \) writes article twalls ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk \( tim walls \) writes n't want run blasted windows every time want delete tree absolutely ludicrous load hog like delete files ! would like requiring crane change tyre car n't download som public domain exactly want shut \? sort thing included millions people n't access pd libraries networks \? people work around , n't mean something n't done remedy situation perfectly valid points agree i'm glad \( ms \) starting remedy situation dos 6 \( get better future releases \) need aware history , however mid late 80 's , ms 's point view os 2 going take world dos would phased , resources dos \( windows , matter \) development mostly redirected os 2 theory keep enough resources dos support people started using os 2 , utilities dos fell windows 3 0 hit market , os 2 \( 1 x , least 2 x seems little better , future still cloudy \) , people either stayed dos \( 3 x 4 x \) apps moved windows point time , ms made decision drop os 2 dos windows short term windows nt long term dos 5 , much improved dos 3 x 4 x , first result ms 's dos windows version 6 takes things somewhat suspect future versions offer even terms real os features \( work nt real clue coworkers , know heck lot years ago \) dave course opinions want ms 's opinions , pr person
stk1203 vax003 stockton edu subject internet resources x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 4 exit
edu \( stephen \) subject lps sale distribution na organization presbyterian college , clinton sc , usa lines 1
vms ie subject old irish gaelic truetype font synopsis replies organization conferencing service lines 44 irish gaelic truetype font wanted synopsis wrote anyone tell find ms windows truetype font give characters used writing irish gaelic old style \? example , font letter would look something like c horizontal bar sitting top , letter g would look something like horizontal bar sitting top many thanks responded question unfortunately luck actually getting font , lot people interested one , decided create truetype font fitting description font based used issue dineen 's dictionary typical found irish books early part century may take time \( limited spare time \) 'll make available anyone interested , ready responses received kevin donnelly \( ac uk \) mentioned michael \( ucd ie \) developed fonts macintosh may able advise contacted michael told three fonts available macintosh , eventually port pc , charging ir 100 \( 160 \) one com mentioned uses two font irish gaelic look american normal n't know get n't think effects looking finally , netcom com \( \) mentioned font included casady greene fluent laser fonts 2 package much like describing faxed casady greene info got reply 's 'll post newsgroups make font available colum
gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) subject capital punishment organization georgia institute technology lines 51 article may 11 02 37 49 1993 athos rutgers edu mmh dcs qmw ac uk \( matthew huntbach \) writes would say extent roman catholic church neither approves disapproves capital punishment , confirmed recent catechism , though many rcs rather surprised upset capital punishment explicitly condemned quote journal , 30 days church world , 1992 , 8 9 , p 29 regarding new draft universal catechism procuring common good society need could arise aggressor placed position cannot cause harm virtue , right obligation public authorities punish penalties , including death penalty , acknowledged similar reasons , authorities right impede aggressors society use arms church 's traditional teaching always expressed continue expressed consideration real conditions common good effective means preserving public order personal safety degree means death penalty military operations sufficient keep peace , non violent provisions preferred proportion keeping final goal protection peace human dignity clearly shown excerpt , church 's teaching capital punishment remains today always past total accord sentiment disagree use deadly force cases option justifiable think biblical quote automatically taken support capital punishment take roman catholic opposed abortion , would still wrong , something objected even authority seek conform god instrument visible church earth whenever question faith morals arises randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu
fox graphics cs nyu edu \( david fox \) subject space marketing would wonderfull reply fcrary ucsu colorado edu 's message sun , 16 may 1993 14 51 59 gmt nntp posting host graphics cs nyu edu organization courant institute mathematical sciences ovf almaak usc edu 1993may16 3100 ucsu colorado edu lines 43 article 1993may16 3100 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu \( frank crary \) writes article ovf almaak usc edu ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes idea goes , 's thin end wedge soon companies larger , , billboards sky would n't want world decades sky looks like las vegas would really make sad think moment technology required time could make earth 's sky look like las vegas , people could afford go moon round trip costs 500 kg moon would 5000 kg low earth advertising orbit roughly cost smallish billboard , therefore ads become common place , would low price nonsense like saying time commercials television become commonplace every citizen hour long nationally broadcast tv program 's always problem get away civilization really find natural scenery 100 years ago , usually n't take trip 5 miles today , people would go 100 miles ever get point billboards orbit , essentially means place earth still wild may may good thing , orbital billboards n't problem symptom growing , densely populated civilization banning ads save view night sky , time ads could become widespread probably trouble finding place without street lights , see stars rest post strange already really bad n't really matter gets worse try figure really arguing \( kneejerk anti \? \) david p passing effect visible light astronomy object bright full moon
wjhovi01 ulkyvx louisville edu \( bill , lpts student \) subject hate sin organization university louisville lines 12 scott prism gatech edu \( scott holt \) writes hate sin love sinner 've heard quite bit recently , often context discussions christianity homosexuality context really n't important question whether statement consistent christianity would think i'm grateful scott 's reflections oft quoted phrase could someone please remind scriptural source \? \( rom 12 9 n't count , kids \) manner little piece conventional wisdom applied , experience , uniformly hateful destructive billh
peter informatik uni oldenburg de \( peter \) subject clipper crap organization university oldenburg , germany lines 22 reply kckluge eecs umich edu 's message wed , 28 apr 1993 04 30 27 gmt wed , 28 apr 1993 04 30 27 gmt , kckluge eecs umich edu \( karl kluge \) said kk \( shaun p hughes \) writes kk newsgroups sci crypt kk sphughes sfsuvax1 sfsu edu \( shaun p hughes \) kk date sat , 17 apr 1993 07 18 59 gmt kk random passing thought , anyone cite documented use kk encryption technology criminals terrorists kk \( excluding iran contra gang \) kk sure , rum runners prohibition see kahn 's codebreakers kk irony , using better codes key security kk governments castro che guerra used one time pads , think scientific american article quantum cryptography
einkauf austin ibm com \( mark einkauf \) subject need help z buffering lines areas together originator mark einkauf austin ibm com organization ibm austin keywords z buffer , roundoff , lines , areas lines 105 david gorgen writes i'm asking help sticky problem involving unreasonably low apparent precision z buffering , 've encountered 2 different pex implementations ca n't find discussion problem resources lay hands \( e g comp windows x pex faq , gaskins 's pexlib programming manual , vendors' documentation \) problem solved eliminate minimize stitching artifacts resulting use z buffering polylines coplanar filled areas interpolated z values along line differ slightly , due roundoff error , interpolated z values across area , even endpoints line vertices area , 's whether z buffer allow line pixels area pixels displayed visually , result tends dashed line effect even though line supposed solid using pexlib api , approach solution use two slightly different pex view mapping transforms , two view table entries , one areas one lines pex structures immediate mode output must organized one view table index always effect areas , always effect lines result slight shift npc z coordinates lines , attempt bias situations favor lines shift effected moving front back clipping planes used pexlib view table entry lines hair backwards \( e smaller z coordinates \) , compared positions view table entry used areas means point transformed npc , z value slightly bigger comes line comes area , thus accomplishing desired bias would expect z roundoff errors cause problem amount units , entire dynamic range z buffer , typically 0 65535 \( e 16 24 bit z buffers \) therefore , seems tiny fraction range z front back clip planes ought suffice reliably fix stitching fact , experience shows shift much 0 003 0 006 range \( empirically , 's worst npc z component slope surface high , e appears less edge viewer \) 's 8 9 bits z buffer dependable meaning ! amount great one problem replaced another sometimes polylines show areas supposed lie behind 've observed problem hewlett packard digital workstation pex servers , approximately degree test program demonstrates problem mit pexlib 5 x implementation version known compile run hp ux system pex 5 1 open questions \( 1 \) happen \? configuring pex view table wrongly \? systematic difference z interpolation lines opposed areas \( e g pixel centers versus corners \) could corrected \? pex implementors z precision \? something else \? \( 2 \) \? fix use view table allow better precision z buffered \? another approach take remove stitching artifacts \? luck \? ibm problem workstations also shocked first realized offset lines fills 16 bits \( assuming 24 bit z buffer \) seems huge , 1 256 dynamic range terms n't seem bad happening interpolation z totally linear , due mainly roundoff , believe polygon planar z , like potato chip ditto lines start end different x values , ridges phase , resulting effect problem try draw 1 polygon right top another , different vertices likely see smeared effect overlap example try polygon 1 \( 100 , 100 , 100 \) \( 100 , 200 , 100 \) \( 200 , 200 , 100 \) \( 200 , 100 , 100 \) polygon 2 \( 125 , 125 , 100 \) \( 125 , 175 , 100 \) \( 175 , 175 , 100 \) \( 175 , 125 , 100 \) implementation correct fact , similar trick rendering primitives lines polygons nurbs surfaces lines without trick , lines appear , say application draws lines polygons independently , system automatically z shifting , application must discovered bravo ! \( note information given previously disclosed proper channels i'm giving away new unpublished info \) mark einkauf einkauf austin ibm com ibm advanced workstations systems graphics systems austin tx views opinions expressed herein necessarily ibm corp
saturn wwc edu \( mark \) subject 1 bit converter article saturn 1993apr26 organization walla walla college , college place , wa lines 18 article 1993apr24 oucsace cs ohiou edu oucsace cs ohiou edu \( max corbin \) writes upon time , long long ago news group , someone posted schematic 1 bit converter well found use little monster anyone still got text file \? flip flop , resistor cap , op amp think would extremely thankful anyone could mail schematic post news group hmmm piece copper wire \? 0 5v input range , standard ttl output , instantaneous conversion time ! \( humor impaired mark internet wwc edu 252 hall amateur radio college place , wa 1 509 527
keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) subject message mr president know happened \? nntp posting host tunfaire den mmc com organization martin marietta astronautics , denver lines 19 royc rbdc wsnc org \( roy crabtree \) writes article keng tunfaire keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) writes lotsa stuff taken bottom line due process served peaceful attempt serve warrant occurred peaceful attempt serve warrant met gunfire due process served branch davidians wanted way think royc milk babies 're man , drink beer arnold ken garrido \( 's reed oh \) miserable c hack email keng tunfaire den mmc com kenneth garrido filebank com
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject ok , little hasty organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 19 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article moustic lbl gov , jnmoyne lbl gov \( jean noel moyne \) writes recently , highway patrol took opposition senators gave shots , hit 07 , put course dodging cones failed , probably change votes result try course drinks \? dunno , article read n't say \( wondering thing \) rather doubt ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( ralph l \) subject leafs favoured organization university buffalo lines 46 news software vax vms vnews 1 41 nntp posting host ubvmsd cc buffalo edu article 1993apr26 ramsey cs laurentian ca , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) writes leafs overcame red wings possibly exciting game played yet playoff year potvin solid wendel completely dominated probert gilmour , usual , best player ice claim andreychuk fades playoffs , please take note andreychuk averaging goal game 3 stars andreychuk 2 goals wendel probert probert everyone else todd gill also played excellent game ca n't say enough doug gilmour right , well gilmour brings mind keon previous leaf dynasty predictions far track nyi buffalo leafs la kings leafs nyi final ca n't let pass islanders get past \( assuming isles beat caps , god willing \) , i'm sorry , isles crush leafs flame shields course one asked always interject opinions matters concern go islanders ! ! ! ! ! ! \( 3 , 1 go \) go jets '93 cordially , always , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca many morons rm little time
ersys edmonton ab ca \( dave \) subject wanted sega glasses organization edmonton remote systems 2 , edmonton , ab , canada lines 14 badly need pair sega 3d glasses cheap vr setup set want part , arrange shipping , etc , duty necessary leave e mail ersys edmonton ab ca call \( 403 \) 459 ask dj dave ersys edmonton ab ca
subject rw robert weiss orthodox christian \? librba byuvm bitnet organization brigham young university lines 66 article acsu buffalo edu , psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu \( robert weiss \) says orthodox compound word comes \( straight , true , right \) \( opinion , doctrine , teaching \) use orthodox refer 'right teaching ' right teaching derived letting god speak us bible reading simple truths scriptures using bible interpret bible thanks etymology lesson , actually know orthodox means 're avoiding question , however , body theology version orthodoxy come \? seem simply saying whatever understand bible say orthodox ra holds luke meant said meant \? think apparent reading scriptures pertinent obviously mistaken , since many , many people read bible many agree point , robert , interpretation correct orthodox one \? ra whenever personal interpretation biblical passages ra challenged , response seems one needs merely ra look bible order see truth , ra see biblical things differently \? seem seeing notion difference one views bible somehow legitimate , except , course , stuff glean put forward contrary view perhaps discussion topic something put forward , without putting forward something else discuss , dismiss put forward giving credence alleged views yet put forward simply contentious whole string began response attacks mormonism one attacking personal beliefs , tendency present orthodoxy n't much care believe bible n't present personal understanding orthodox one ra simply assume one really ra understands \? believe something drawn scripture wrong , please , show scripture wrong simply stating views proof show scripture go never attacked specific beliefs 's approach , remember \? stating people depend solely bible views indeed proof bible interpreted many ways , whole point along specifics belief business n't pretend anything personal , careful crying heresy based private belief system robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet
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martin world std com \( martin j hannigan \) subject new encryption organization twisted pair consulting , boston , lines 25 article transarc com lyle seaman transarc com writes martin world std com \( martin j hannigan \) writes hello david sternlight keeper faq unfortuantely cannot find present time cool , \? let people form opinions even mr sternlight might right sometime , guys setting things way regain credibility renounce previous statements move towards mainstream net opinion tolerance , imo c \) david sternlight , net police indeed lyle transarc 707 grant street 412 338 4474 gulf tower pittsburgh 15219 hopefully , doesnt take personal martin hannigan twisted pair consulting 617 623 mac ibm pc mainframe unix
keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) subject cruel organization california institute technology , pasadena lines 39 nntp posting host punisher caltech edu kmr4 po cwru edu \( keith ryan \) writes n't think although forms execution painful \( electric chair looks particularly \) , think pain relatively short lived drawing , hand , looks painful , victim would n't die right away \( 'd bleed death , 'd imagine \) ah , cruel punishment painful , stated long term pain , eg non short lived sudden chance stance \? n't think 've changed stance original stance painless execution cruel one n't say would considered cruel , painless death n't , cruelty must involve sort suffering , believe n't think someone gets shot head really suffers much even hanging probably produces one sharp instance pain , 's quickly hmmmmm \? pardon \? could counter example made , renders previous stance null void \? n't admit previous stance incorrect \? , somehow managed slip , origional stance , admit \? well , stated painless death n't cruel , n't think stated painful executions cruel think cruel , depending nature duration pain way , long long \? anything instant , guess death , blood loss would cruel , think \( includes gas chamber , drawing \) 'd say pain lasts , say , twenty seconds would long \( may arbitrary cutoff , suppose \) keith
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject leaking memory resources 3 1 organization texas instruments inc lines 65 bpavms bpa arizona edu dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu \( daniel mittleman \) writes may faq \( , please direct known answer \) getting frustrated looking help running win 3 1 ndw 2 2 486sx 8 meg memory 6 meg perm swap file getting exceedingly frustrated applications giving back system resources close aware known problem looking suggestions might mitigate 1 software culprit \? win 3 1 , ndw , applications \? modes win 3 1 \( standard , real , enhanced \) better others plugging leak \? 's applications unfortunately , even ship win31 seem problem \( 've seen , example \) 2 system ini switches set help plug leak \? none know application n't give back resources , lost gone forever , pending restart windows 3 people know patches third party software help \? seems like increasing better managing system resources great market third party memory company like qemm applications n't free memory \( lot n't \) , 's bugger piece software 4 run progman instead ndw leak \? \( hoping ndw 2 2 would plugged , seems different 2 0 deals memory resources \) problem applications , usually 5 writing vb code things make less likely code eat resources \? books written one general , sure free everything ask exit unfortunately , understand vb internally lose resources , 's way avoid entirely 6 suggestions n't know enough ask specifically \? thanks help common problem seen little discussion net probably others would like read answers please publish rather sending email 's little discussion 's ms manages come os garbage collection something resource pool insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
chorley vms ocom okstate edu subject cs gas allergic response ques lines 6 nntp posting host vms ocom okstate edu organization osu college osteopathic medicine question derives waco incident could cs \( gas \) particles create allergic response would result \? especially children ok osu com disavow opinion , existence , necessary
world std com \( richard pierce \) subject acceleration sensor \? organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 17 article 1993apr27 walter bellcore com deaddio ski bellcore com \( michael deaddio \) writes anyone know type acceleration sensor electrical output sort \? would sense acceleration one direction gee , \( ahem \) ! devices available variety sources \( one comes mind lot money spend \) sorts devices output voltage proportional acceleration need know range 're talking though dick pierce loudspeaker software consulting 17 street , \( 508 \) 433 9183 \( voice fax \)
po cwru edu \( christopher \) subject gun 4 sale organization case western reserve university , cleveland , oh \( usa \) lines 21 reply po cwru edu \( christopher \) nntp posting host thor ins cwru edu 68 special semi auto rifle 120 round feeder 18 inch barrel composite 14 inch barrel composite 6 inch barrel composite co2 tank silencer 1200 rounds paint plus whatever else box 375 best offer , take gallant , intrepid audacious soldier , put table together get \? sum fears winston churchill
mgr hep anl gov \( dr mike \) subject official secrets act \( usa \) news software vax vms vnews 1 3 4 reply mgr hep anl gov organization argonne national laboratory distribution world lines 39 sorry , news reader n't seem know copy subject header tracks thread people n't need strong crypto atomic energy act 1954 expressly forbids thinking building nuclear devices grad school , friend mine got security clearance work defense progressive magazine found lots articles public domain removed local engineering library \( madison wisconsin \) lawyers sent states libraries show information article already public pissed everyone local underground paper went published article anyway \( feds , 's \) judge declared case moot atomic energy act 1954 never tested court discussions several people familiar case , 2 times preemptive clause used every case people simply felt like courts tossed cases intents purposes , government declaring things classified published working star wars happened clearance works developed method tracking particle beams good enough classify , longer allowed work friend canada boat developed method compute stripping cross sections , subject classified allowed present paper conference ! later published open journal without problems going gets wierd , wierd turn pro feds whatever want whenever feel like , make rules let get away since mass media ca n't tell difference joke real thing \( like ranch waco massacre \) n't count help spread word loss freedom government make strong crypto illegal \? since government obey rules , \? patience , persistence , truth , reality imi hep anl gov dr mike home igc org
mtholyoke edu \( g e r n \) subject ! ! cs , math , physics , gre books forsale ! ! distribution na organization mount holyoke college lines 103 nntp posting host mtholyoke edu c books also math physics books books marked new , condition perfect books good condition shipping buyer pays 1 per book list hate prices , email offer title author orig price asking price communication networks 52 25 42 new ! \( \) computer 58 85 42 architecture \( \) 2 nd edition ai design expert 45 80 35 systems \( lugar \) artificial intelligence 46 25 39 new ! \( patrick henry winston \) 2 nd edition operating system concepts \( , peterson , galvin \) 50 39 book c 34 25 20 \( kelley , \) 2 nd edition teach youself c \? \? \? 10 \( \) understanding hard disk management \? \? \? 10 new ! pc \( jonathan \) math calculus \? \? \? 9 \( big , hard cover book \) discrete math application 50 95 40 \( susanna epp \) course linear algebra \? \? \? 20 new ! \( , little \) 's outline series 11 95 6 linear algebra physics foundations physics 58 95 48 new ! \( , \) 3 rd edition also selling gre books brand new \( never used \) arco gre general test \( big , red book \) 19 arco computer science gre 13 please send email interested , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , \( \( mtholyoke edu p box \) \) germain wong \) mhc mtholyoke edu mount holyoke college \( \( \( tel 413 538 south hadley , \)
rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) subject kill sword , must killed sword organization university virginia lines 30 article sandvik sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) writes article murdoch acc virginia edu , rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) wrote also unhappy \( actually , suspicious \) fbi dismissing hand chances might accidentally set blaze mean , guess supposed believe ramming modified tanks walls building injecting toxic gases building routine procedures , way anything could go wrong core point , still , 19 children died , mr koresh could opened door asked children go happened might fbi , atf , president clinton , satan , pepsi coke anything else , ca n't avoid fact one single action would saved small children dreadful painful death 1 \) well , mr koresh allowed children adults leave compound course siege didnt children leave \? dont know , certainly havent heard answers 2 \) yes , one simple non action , ie attacking compound modified tanks , would prevented tragedy bet blamed move people deaths occurred adjacent row houses philadelphia , government dropped firebomb , right \? legalize freedom
jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) subject jews shoot muslim infants organization department redundancy department lines 23 article 1993may19 midway uchicago edu clmn midway uchicago edu writes article bony1 bony com jake bony1 bony com \( jake livni \) writes seem missed point states middle east north africa seem constant border territorial disputes , mention boiling hatred removal israel going change picture much love israel , think 's true arab jewish conflict palestine , almost 100 years old , primary cause instability middle east please explain removal israel going ease situation iran , iran iraq , iraq , iraq kuwait , syria , lebanon , libya , algeria , egypt , sudan human rights , freedom press religion , slavery , government oppression authoritarian societies going solved removing israel middle east \? jake livni jake bony1 bony com ten years , george bush american occupied new york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president
subject ranger fans \? \? \? \? \? kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 75 article 1993apr22 alleg edu , alleg edu \( brett ball \) writes article 1993apr22 101356 1 eagle wesleyan edu writes one happy ranger 's hiring keenan 's bad n't hire smith fired nielsen , maybe could babies team made playoffs team needs little fire butts ! ! reading hockey news n't see many ranger fans writing i'm new system big hockey fan long suffering \( 1940 \) ranger fan remember suffering builds character ! ! final questions way team handled last dreadful stretch 1 knowing needed offensive help blueline , n't see mike hurlbut , played pretty well called leetch first went \? 2 \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! ! joe kocur playing every night \? bob probert tough also play 3 come paul broten relegated street clothes end season least plays heart character , draws penalties plays 110 's ice doghouse reason \? 4 joe \? \? \? \? \? ! ! ! ! enough said ! ranger fans may suffering 're loyal , unlike islander fans show team wins far stanley cup goes think 's one team test pittsburgh 's detroit would entertaining hard fought series mario amazing ! kurt think joe play every night big physical guy , gets fans game big hits \( checks fists \) big advantage get crowd going plus , helps protect players notice fights kocur ice unless seen people start go essa tikkanen , go away kocur steps think big asset , third line , special situation play fast becoming game without goons admit kocur may get fans game surely would rather see broten taking pass kovalev scoring breakaway goal put rangers 3 \( magic \) goals third period , rather seeing kocur take another stupid penalty rangers giving another powerplay goal ! rangers need another top flight center take pressure messier first line nemchinov perfect third line center goes beezer richter \? kurt
vipunen hut fi \( sakari \) subject axe hp ux problem nntp posting host vipunen hut fi reply vipunen hut fi \( sakari \) organization helsinki university technology lines 14 happy axe linux wanted use hp ux , however , attempts ended core dumps far \( bus error \) anybody else successful \? jim install file say problems data axe 5 0 hp ux 9 01 x11r4 x11r5 doesn`t seem matter \( shared libs \) hp 9000 720 thanks advance , sakari linux ftp able unix clone 386 486 pc 's vipunen hut fi mind ,
ips honeywell com \( bruce kilgore \) subject x server documentation organization honeywell industrial automation , phoenix , az distribution comp windows x lines 47 get documentation x server internals \? btw , i'm also interested documentation tiga hints welcome thanks , rainer rainer hochreiter telephone 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3961 elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax 43 \( 1 \) 89100 3387 penzingerstr 76 1141 wien , austria europe e mail rainer elin co book know x window system server x version 11 , release 5 elias israel erik fortune digital press copyright 1992 order number ey dp dp isbn 1 3 ph isbn 0 13 1 , please post email names thus spake master programmer three days without programming , life becomes meaningless geoffrey james tao programming disclaimer opinions mine ! william bruce kilgore email ips honeywell com phone \( 602 \) 436 \( 602 \) 436 smail n black canyon hwy , phoenix az
brifre1 ac dal ca subject trivia question organization dalhousie university , halifax , nova scotia , canada lines 20 article 1993apr23 102811 623 sei cmu edu , caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? thanks , carol go pens ! clint malarchuk whatever happened , anyway \? barfly go sigh leafs cry
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject faq sheet organization university oulu , finland x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 25 mike mcangus \( mam mouse cmhnet org \) wrote way , news announce newusers article \( ca n't remember one \) recommends reading newsgroup 1 month posting makes sense get idea players current discussions one followed advice \? , spent month reading , , mainly know much way atheists think even printed faqs discussed friend started posting alt atheism deals religious issues \( appropriately , lack religious beliefs \) , nature controversial makes sense read discussed make sure repeating something others said better petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
rcvillab isluga puc cl \( carlos \) subject performa lc \? \? \? nntp posting host isluga puc cl organization pontificia universidad catolica de chile x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 lines 10 hi ! ! question diference performa 450 lciii \? want know better know specifications prices computers , tell email rcvillab isluga puc cl 'd like know diference apple monitor \( \) performa monitor thanks
aws iti org \( allen w sherzer \) subject soyuz shuttle comparisons organization evil geniuses better tomorrow lines 27 article 1993may13 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp \( gary coffman \) writes rough guess would say 10 years shuttle delivered leo much saturn v 4 years careful define payload propulsion spacecraft structure often shuttle lifts satellites upper stages yet still consider payload ten saturn flights 4 years delivered leo roughly 50 shuttle flights 10 years course saturn lifted shuttle , 's cost orbit year dollars higher pretty much terms cost pound saturn would cost 2 , 000 per pound \( development costs ignored \) five times cheaper shuttle allen lady astor sir , husband would poison coffee ! w churchill madam , wife , would drink 33 days first flight dcx
chem upenn edu \( r \) subject datsun car sale distribution pa organization university pennsylvania lines 14 nntp posting host chem upenn edu '81 datsun 210 forsale 's blue datsun two doors \( three , since 's hatchback \) 69 , 900 miles automatic good condition \( hate sell , phila insurance outrageous also n't need car right \) asking 800 bo call ron 215 222 email chem upenn edu
deja vu uiuc edu \( \) subject need info circumcision , medical cons pros organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 49 article 1993apr27 netnews noc drexel edu duvm ocs drexel edu \( mike g \) writes need info circumcision , medical cons pros article 8th cs uiuc edu gunnar blix , blix milton cs uiuc edu writes need information medical \( including emotional \) pros cons circumcision \( birth \) especially interested references studies indicate disadvantages refute studies indicate advantages friend medical student writing survey paper , apparently studies run circumcision , main argument lower risk penile cancer please email responses frequent reader either group summarize net i'm surprised medical schools still push routine circumcision newborn males population since friend man , money probably lot keeping practice routine circumcision alive 's another charge hundred extra bucks completely unnecessary procedure , rationale recently accepted without question parents newborns one could also imagine complications arising circumcision \( infections , sloppy jobs , etc \) far common remote chance penile cancer purported prevent ca n't imagine 's like penis , much less foreskin guess american medicine artistic job circumcising every male , visual result would somewhat natural appearance penile cancer thing completely must going school south pacific island tell check journal urology circumcision articles remember least 1 old jewish man \( cut birth \) developed penile cancer mean , cancer risk great , europe circumcising like crazy , teaching boy keep clean issue little proper hygiene goes long way americans hung penis consider cleaning 's way much like surgical intervention basically unnecessary peter university illinois urbana champaign
ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu \( pei hsieh \) subject help needed dxf iff nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu organization columbia university lines 11 hi sorry faq , conversion utilities available autodesk dxf amiga iff format \? checked comp graphics faq number sites , far banana please e mail thanks pei hsieh \( \) \( \) e mail ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu 's thing small job small fees anon , architect
rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu \( robert j wade \) subject geico annoyance organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution rec autos lines 6 want annoy geico , call give fake name real car specs get quote tell expensive current state farm allstate insurance still send quote etc tear quote stuff prepaid return envelope mail back actually 12 current state farm rates
phil netcom com \( phil ronzone \) subject new study gay percentage organization generally favor , mostly random lines 30 article 1993apr20 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes guess person dislikes contact people ethnic minority however , argument falls flat face state , anti discrimination bill , would forced associate others homosexuals , assume know associate , except may closeted \? would like change argument read forced associate truthfully homosexual people \? proof anyone know may homosexual punches large hole argument belief homosexual comes one flavour \( sic \) camp type \? prove cannot quite incoherent perhaps forced associate people think nice large group locked basement 12 hours wonderfully educate , n't believe freedom , ca n't complain bloody actually people still believe love canal kind environmental disaster weird , eh \? opinions mine , ca n't 'em ! \( 'll rent 'em cheap \)
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject jays' darrin jackson nightmare ! organization university toronto chemistry department lines 36 article 1993apr19 r node hub org shadow r node hub org \( jay chu \) writes jackson bum thought jays smart get rid gruber get equally bad ! i'm frustrated pat rated sure , good moves past , releasing wells \( although temper sucks , 's better morris stewart \) jays dumping salaries keep jackson , one go wells course dumped , 's late since 's salary guarenteed wells jays hook 25 \( \? \) give jackson break lost 10 pounds flu traded wells already claimed tigers \( 0 6 era 2 wins ! \) also , jimmy key winfield situations pissed hell outta would see championship club wanting repeat badly wanted would rather molitor winfield winfield hogging credit , trying soak jays 3 year guarenteed contract great \? way look pittsburg penguins got aging players , n't make stupid trades dump cuz fans love players still core team anyways , want say jays go 500 season , wo n't surprised i'm jumping bandwagon , i'm talking smart baseball matter , i'm still going see jays games even though i'm damn frustrated ! jays pitching get better molitor alomar n't hit anything yet jays still 500 gerald
brian lpl arizona edu \( brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 \) subject rob lanphier organization lunar planetary laboratory , tucson az lines 40 wrote hope brian k look see ramifications truck coming towards hope brian want step way fear , though , brian instead choose glue middle highway , certainly get run chooses , chooses , nothing beyond change mind choice moment , brian n't gotten even far still point want look sure moves eyeball appease , head turn around see entire picture far satisfied glimpse mountains distance kent sandvik writes problem imagine inside huge wall , unable see reality clearly case relativity plays big role concerning looking opposite frames reality kent , regards information contained bible \( original context thread \) , brian kendig inside huge wall brian inside bible information contained therein outside wall brian kendig proves sad fact absurd things says example , get pit , cease exist bible n't say n't clue even jesus said hell one example sense , kent , sensing reality different matter brian , relativity play big role perceive true , depends vantage point since read bible , brian kendig shows n't , narrower perspective mine \( least respect knowledge bible \) proposing brian , brian , come take look vantage point brian replies , rather thank content besides , vista stinks meanwhile , brian ignores facts never realize shared plateau brian stands
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 6 lord almighty says hear words spoken prophets foundation laid house lord almighty , let hands strong temple may built zechariah 8 9
jviv usmi01 midland chevron com \( john viveiros \) subject good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization chevron lines 38 article apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com \( peter nelson \) writes human communities impose values individuals 's virtually operational definition one find example human community n't discovered new phenomenon nature 's pointless asking whether communities 's like asking whether leopard spots evolved way human communities evolved \( biological social senses evolve \) characteristic debate whether particular matter left individual part process evolution nature human community impose values individuals find single counterexample nature peter times human history , people killed stolen one another find example n't happened history , discovered new phenomenon nature pointless asking whether people evolved way humans evolved debate whether particular matter left individual , nature humans kill steal others find single counterexample \( society without types \) nature please find better argument 's way always child mortality always , yet find hearts made attempt change john viveiros \( jviv chevron com \) chevron usa standard disclaimer applies midland tx
evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( mark evans \) subject new study gay percentage nntp posting host uhura organization aston university x newsreader tin version 1 1 lines 17 chris \( cc dcs ed ac uk \) wrote article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes force people associate others , yes people forced usa armed forces \? recent past , maybe someone knows certain usa decided wants army \( sent south east asia \) one \? mark evans evansmp uhura aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 429 9199 \( home \) evansmp cs aston ac uk \( 44 \) 21 359 6531 \( office \)
frank \( frank \) subject hot key screen saver \? organization posting front end conference v 92 07 22 1 50 \( running ms windows \) lines 13 article 1993may15 seas gwu edu , louray seas gwu edu \( michael panayiotakis \) writes well , renaming screensavers \( scr \) exe , running , , \( n't tried changing win ini , effect \) shows setup dialog box , n't enable saver mickey start renamed saver vid option frank
allan cs ualberta ca \( allan sullivan \) subject cherry coach 's corner summary april 23 , 1993 nntp posting host swanlake cs ualberta ca organization university alberta , edmonton , canada lines 80 's summary cherry 's coach 's corner april 23 , 1993 taken tape delay vancouver winnipeg game , filmed toronto detroit game night think also shown calgary la game \( warning anti fighting people may want skip post \) topics 's tie , doug gilmour , wings leafs , quebec montreal , boston buffalo , wendel clark , fighting stickwork episode summary , episode started shot 's tie different tie last time pointed characters tie , gave different names felix cat \( \) , maclean \( daffy duck \) , etc ron maclean asked thought current wings leafs game thought good burns told leaf players building , 're going win began praise gilmour pointed gilmour never got less 2 points goal game since got 5 points game st louis \( also claims gave lot encouragement gilmour , partly responsible good play \) several clips shown gilmour series hit , pass resulting goal game , wings taking lot penalties first period wings enough talent score short handed however , leafs get power play , coach burns tells leaf players n't let score ron brought previous quebec montreal game note montreal game overtime , despite possible game winner disqualified batted high stick thought high stick obvious , even without use instant replay buffalo boston series note buffalo currently winning series 3 0 , gave full credit goaltender grant fuhr fuhr getting 1 2 team 's playoff checks play wendel clarke recently criticized performance detroit toronto series defended , saying ca n't play way , league 's new rules used rough tough league hack slash blame gil problems 's opinions fighting stickwork shared wings gm coach bryan murray clip news conference murray shown , murray made statements claiming elimination fighting increases stickwork also read newspaper article murray makes following statements players n't fight 're afraid getting thrown game instead , settle getting sticks fans want see \? guarantee would n't many fighting kept game warned league gary bettman smarten fighting hockey went say , used one guy cut high stick series , fights , someone gets cut every period rating typical anti fighting posturing , 's opinion supported murray 'd give 7 0 10
petch gvg47 gvg tek com \( chuck \) subject daily verse lines 3 given authority trample snakes overcome power enemy nothing harm luke 10 19
f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu subject arlen specter 's address \? organization stephen f austin state university lines 23 article 1993apr22 ccsvax sfasu edu , f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes article 1993apr22 icd ab com , kdw icd ab com \( kenneth whitehead \) writes anybody got arlen spectre 's address \? want write thank showing leadership demand congressional investigation waco mess ken talking man federal attorney much frustrate proper investigation jfk assassination house sub committee assassinations fox hen house \? \? \? please note comment intended flame ken 's call congressional leadership conduct proper investigation merely call attention hazard specter involved anyone took way , apologize joe gaut super state , really f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter actually happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco tell justice wants happen jim garrison , new orleans , la
gjhsun \( george h \) subject cherry help , organization michigan state university lines 11 nntp posting host gjhsun cl msu edu lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) writes got nickname 'grapes' i'm sure use coach boston bruins n't know exactly could someone fill info \? think name 'grapes' came coach \( bruins \? minors \? \) used chew grapes keep getting dehydrated games dog blue may named 'cause liked beer anyone know \?
eshneken ux4 cso uiuc edu \( edward shnekendorf \) subject israel apartheid state organization university illinois urbana lines 32 center policy research cpr igc apc org writes 2 sabri arabs israel , monthly review press , new york , 1976 3 ed w zionism , imperialism racism , helm , london , 1979 \( writings arab , english american scholars \) 4 responsibility state israel according international commitments arab studies quarterly , spring summer 1985 , p 27 41 5 ilan zionism today arab studies quarterly , spring summer 1985 , p 3 10 6 jewish nationality status basis institutionalized racism israel international organisation elimination forms racial discrimination \( \) , washington , 1985 7 dr w v zionist organization jewish agency international us law , judaism zionism difference middle east zed books ltd , london 1986 8 john quigley palestine israel challenge justice duke university press , durham , n c , 1991 9 dr uri davis zionist society consequences internal opposition necessity external intervention judaism zionism difference middle east zed books ltd , london 1986 think one needs scan mr davidsson 's bibliography see kind objective sources uses ed
born ibm com \( christopher j born \) subject mercury villager minivan good buy \? distribution usa news software ibm os 2 pm rn \( nr 2 \) v0 vishnepolsky r rogers lines 20 reply born vnet ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host raleigh ibm com organization ibm networking development 93115 asuacad bitnet asuacad bitnet writes nissan quest city , though first tanks like v6 remarkably smooth agreed ! mercury villager i'm impressed v6 past , 've biased towards manual standard transmissions \( owned 5 speed , awesome ! \) , settled villager pleasantly surprised 's performance btw , consumers report report villager , alluded funny noises , 've listening n't noticed anything unusual chris christopher j born born vnet ibm com
steven advtech uswest com \( steve novak \) subject part n't understand \? organization u west advanced technologies lines 30 nntp posting host advtech uswest com eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes , course , possibility existed meaning student really gave shit could moment silence , makes sense forcing want participate take part reason organized moment silence \? moment silence n't mean much unless everyone participates otherwise 's silent , \? whole point , maybe everyone n't want participate blindly opposing everything flavor religion utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything flavor religion supported taxpayer money way keep christianity becoming official u religion noticing danger utterly idiotic steve novak ban bomb ! ban pope ! ! steven advtech uswest com
sbuckley fraser sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) subject cults \( keeps going \? \) organization simon fraser university , burnaby , b c , canada lines 21 muttiah ecn purdue edu \( ranjan muttiah \) writes article sbuckley sfu ca sbuckley fraser sfu ca \( stephen buckley \) writes bad thoughts well depends whether take literal dictionary definition cult say faiths cults , take social context view cult allows recognize mainstream religions socially acceptable cults groups involve techniques brain washing characteristics define oppressive best word cult behaviour yeah , implicitly social context view provides justification dictionary definition cult follow mainstream pretend cults act based impulses taken seriously \? \) i'm confused could yer saying follow mainstream pretend act based impulses \?
boyd acsu buffalo edu \( daniel f boyd \) subject shelf cheap des keyseach machine \( corporate acceptance wiretap chip \) organization ub lines 40 nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo edu article strnlghtc5wcmo fx5 netcom com strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) writes article c5uvn4 mf7 austin ibm com arussell austin ibm com \( ag russell \) writes company worked previously , received file des encryped person sent , went vaction rather wait two weeks set straight frontal attack one key time took two \( 2 \) days crack file taking face value \( though seems quite dissonant much else published brute force des cracking , unless russell lucky respect key \) , 'd interested whether program russell used available \? whether used cleartext recognition algorithm program whether examine decryption hand \? whether used known plaintext attack \? dictionary attack attack makes sense means whoever encrypted file typed password single dictionary word , russell tried words dictionary n't implausible , especially smart clipped first plaintext block ciphertext \( first block n't decrypt obviously others wo n't either \) assuming one attempt second , takes seven hours try words usr words real tough want des secure , use random keys ca n't type wife 's name think aha 'll never guess one ! daniel f boyd boyd cs buffalo edu welcome first church white zone loading unloading
waikato ac nz subject cross , sobel roberts filters \? organization university waikato , hamilton , new zealand lines 15 saw imaging program time ago amiga cross , sobel roberts filters edge detection anybody direct algorithms paul paul internet waikato ac nz department computer science university waikato phone 64 7 889 hamilton ext new zealand fax 64 7 135
chuq apple com \( chuq von rospach \) subject sharks review part 5 left wings organization go sharks , go giants , inc lines 35 nntp posting host apple com paul data io com \( paul brownlow \) writes wood played junior career seattle one leading scorers mediocre team traded away 1992 rarely lost fight one toughest players whl wood fairly small enforcer type mean , fleury pretty good job n't large , dody fleury witness three four fights closeup , simply n't ready fight nhl level \( assuming 's role , really showed us games k c pass , shoot skate , never saw much \) right fist , n't bad , nhl level , players smart enough grab thing land anything significant control hand , 's fish beach player anything wants entire strategy seemed keep hand reach found opening never saw find opening worth talking got quickly , couple times unless shows new tricks camp , 'll career minor list since first taste nhl , expect sharks gave 'd know 'd work season needs get stronger , needs get speed needs show something else simply , n't particularly good goon chuq imho von rospach , esd support training \( dal aux \) chuq apple com member , sfwa editor , otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com \( san jose giants 1 9 \) san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com \( stick \? ! \) san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com \( new seat 127 tbd \)
noye midway uchicago edu \( vera shanti noyes \) subject people become atheists \? reply noye midway uchicago edu organization university chicago lines 53 article may 9 05 41 56 1993 athos rutgers edu gt7122b prism gatech edu \( randal lee nicholas mandock \) writes much stuff deleted question bob world would self respecting atheist want subscribe christian news group \? difficult enough time keeping , think know something subject excuse , makes think 's atheist n't know anything christianity \? \? \? \? \( albeit limited \) experience atheists often ones know bible , searched end end answers christian , n't mean consider authority religion different perspective \( biased favor , naturally \) \) seems quite obvious subscribed , may infer says looking explanation question motives anyway least \( although dislike kind logic \) , one could hope see light , fear , give positive picture christians bob reminds roommate order disbelieve atheism , says need proven wrong well , n't even waste time trying tell 'll take word response , tells say atheist 's prayer regard , guess n't really feel sentiments order proven faith lot search bible cover cover answers wo n't necessarily get 're looking course n't help anyone n't already faith big catch 22 discovered quite recently ran agnostic looking explanation faith quickly discovered could give nothing life story description nature faith personal thing attempt prove facts behind must questioned good luck , bob , best regards likewise matter believe randal lee nicholas mandock catechist gt7122b prism gatech edu clock ! bind unto today vera noyes religion ! strong name noye midway uchicago edu ! trinity disclaimer lard st patrick 's breastplate disclaim \?
stratton cwis unomaha edu \( dan stratton \) subject apple 's new organization university nebraska omaha lines 10 use new keyboard iifx , like touch typist advantage loss difference less stress wrists dan dan stratton stratton cwis unomaha edu macs , mercedes , money much enough views
lisa ux1 lbl gov \( lisa stewart \) subject christian embassy dc reply lisa ux1 lbl gov organization lawrence berkeley laboratory lines 6 anyone know christian embassy washington dc \? exactly \? please respond lisa ux1 lbl gov thanks
dfr navy mil \( prof rogers \( eas fac \) \) subject newsgroup split organization u naval academy lines 23 article mach1 wlu ca mach1 wlu ca \( phil martin u \) writes ! chris herringshaw \( tdawson engin umich edu \) wrote ! concerning proposed newsgroup split , personally favor ! learn awful lot aspects graphics reading ! group , code hardware algorithms think making 5 ! different groups wate , result posts ! week per group kind like convenience one big forum ! discussing aspects graphics anyone else feel way \? ! curious ! ! yes also like knowing go ask question without getting ! hell putting wrong newsgroup also splitting group traffic decrease given subject required net bandwidth increase multiply cross postings went another group continuously read almost point longer worth reading strongly suggest dave rogers
grady netcom com \( 1016 2ef221 \) subject hacker ethic go \? organization capriccioso x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl6 lines 18 kendall sears \( ulkyvx louisville edu \) wrote biggest killer \( imo \) 6 \) one 's dreams \( sadly \) shattered hard rocks society 's version reality without dream motivation dies , without motivation effort seems useless actually possibilities one practice hacker become good powerful manipulating data streams goes simply underground possessing true power perhaps need impress anyone grady netcom com 2ef221 15 e2 ad d3 d1 c6 f3 fc 58 ac f7 3d 4f 01 1e 2f
athena mit edu \( william j \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization massachusetts institute technology lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host auditorium mit edu 've playing centris 610 \( 8 230 \) last couple weeks problem seen couple applications run incompatible 040 's processor cache , run turned actually , main thing n't like n't software powerup , power switch directly floppy drive ! \( n't hit thinking would eject disk , tired night i'm going really upset design decision \) , problems floppy printing fine \( printing done across localtalk net , directly connected printer \) bill
ramarren apple com \( godfrey digiorgi \) subject need advice riding someone pillion distribution na organization apple computer lines 33 've never ridden pillion much recently excellent experience dave edmondson pilot london found upset bike much less rode pilot , , looked shoulder anticipated hold hard braking acceleration tried always look inside shoulder corners move little possible , leaving dave manage bike normally would bike luggage hard acceleration quite feeling spit back hard fight similarly , held grab handles tightly dave needed brake mash pulp \( i'm lot bigger \) reaching around pushing tank seemed like would awkward make even harder manage rare occasions carry passenger , absolutely refuse carry anyone properly riding 's helmet , jacket , gloves , stout pants shoes boots minimum 's responsibility provide gear , 's responsibility require want ride agree earlier poster 've much experience carrying particular passenger especially 've carried many passengers , take gentler rides duration head difficult road like mines mt hamilton 's nasty place find trouble godfrey digiorgi ramarren apple com dod ama rule 1 never sell ducati street finds rule 2 always obey rule 1 uses things wg ducati toyota nikon sony apple telebit
coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) subject final regular season individual goalie stats organization university saskatchewan lines 103 distribution world reply coulman cs usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca would appreciate someone could volunteer verify shots goal save percentage numbers , put stats archive site contact mail want volunteer individual goalie stats wed apr 21 09 09 38 cst 1993 stats include games including sunday previous date listed verified printed newspaper every tuesday n't print shots save percentage numbers , verified stats available mail every weekday sometimes weekends , i'm town get late game results send note would like receive stats mail questions , comments suggestions , let know randy mp minutes played , ga goals , shutouts , gaa goals average w wins , l losses , ties sog shots goal , sv save percentage mp ga gaa w l sog sv tm player 1 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 1 000 byron 11 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 3 1 000 har 40 1 0 1 50 0 0 0 19 0 947 mtl frederick 25 1 0 2 40 0 0 0 10 0 900 bos mike bales 116 2 2 50 25 15 7 1287 0 910 tor felix potvin 177 7 2 59 41 18 11 1879 0 906 chi ed belfour 1322 64 1 2 90 9 8 4 596 0 893 bos john blue 996 49 2 2 95 6 7 1 414 0 882 chi jim waite 3702 186 4 3 01 43 14 5 0 902 pit tom barrasso 3890 196 1 3 02 29 28 9 2194 0 911 stl curtis joseph 1817 94 1 3 10 18 8 4 858 0 890 van kay whitmore 1429 75 0 3 15 11 10 4 716 0 895 buf dominik hasek 3194 168 3 3 16 37 14 3 1354 0 876 bos andy moog 1311 70 1 3 20 14 4 1 629 0 889 cal jeff reese 192 2 3 20 31 25 5 1813 0 894 mtl patrick roy 168 9 0 3 21 1 1 1 87 0 897 har mike lenarduzzi 1193 64 0 3 22 13 4 2 522 0 877 det vincent riendeau 96 2 3 23 17 7 4 938 0 898 tor daren puppa 210 4 3 25 34 24 7 1898 0 889 det tim cheveldae 3732 203 2 3 26 29 26 9 0 888 cal mike vernon 146 1 3 30 22 20 2 0 889 nyi glenn healy 185 1 3 30 24 24 6 0 893 buf grant fuhr 152 4 3 31 20 18 7 1519 0 900 nyr john vanbiesbrouck 181 1 3 31 27 23 5 0 882 beaupre 193 3 3 33 26 26 5 1683 0 885 min jon casey 3261 184 3 3 39 28 21 5 0 886 van kirk mclean 151 2 3 39 19 21 3 1322 0 886 nj chris terreri 1433 81 1 3 39 17 5 1 686 0 882 mtl andre racicot 1939 110 0 3 40 18 9 4 947 0 884 que stephane 143 5 3 42 20 17 6 0 892 phi tommy soderstrom 78 0 3 42 13 7 2 691 0 887 pit ken 542 31 0 3 43 5 4 0 225 0 862 bos reggie 172 0 3 45 29 16 5 1525 0 887 que ron hextall 2253 130 0 3 46 17 15 5 1067 0 878 nyi mark fitzpatrick 227 2 3 53 33 26 6 2119 0 893 win bob essensa 96 0 3 60 15 10 2 777 0 876 win jim hrivnak 1596 97 1 3 65 10 12 5 803 0 879 min darcy 97 0 3 66 7 19 2 757 0 872 tb wendell young 1163 71 0 3 66 8 10 1 573 0 876 tb jc bergeron 146 2 3 67 21 16 4 1180 0 876 nj craig billington 1210 74 1 3 67 8 8 2 628 0 882 stl guy hebert 1302 80 2 3 69 8 12 0 664 0 880 rick tabaracci 664 41 0 3 70 5 6 0 344 0 881 buf tom draper 224 14 0 3 75 1 2 1 116 0 879 nyr corey hirsch 1769 111 1 3 76 13 11 5 932 0 881 phi dominic roussel 134 1 3 82 13 19 3 1184 0 887 nyr mike richter 157 10 0 3 82 1 2 0 78 0 872 nyi danny lorenz 240 1 3 84 17 38 6 0 884 edm bill ranford 111 0 3 84 15 8 4 987 0 888 la robb stauber 175 2 3 86 18 21 6 1545 0 887 la kelly hrudey 154 10 0 3 90 0 2 1 66 0 848 que jacques 867 57 0 3 94 5 9 1 499 0 886 har mario gosselin 532 35 0 3 95 6 4 0 294 0 881 la rick knickle 2268 150 1 3 97 8 24 4 1197 0 875 tb pat jablonski 2074 142 1 4 11 7 26 0 1250 0 886 sj arturs irbe 2656 184 0 4 16 16 27 3 0 875 har sean burke 1338 93 0 4 17 9 12 2 763 0 878 edm ron tugnutt 1326 95 0 4 30 2 17 1 743 0 872 ott daniel berthiaume 802 59 0 4 41 3 9 0 405 0 854 phi stephane beauregard 250 0 4 43 8 46 3 0 854 ott peter sidorkiewicz 65 5 0 4 62 0 0 1 39 0 872 cal andrei trefilov 1373 111 0 4 85 4 15 1 784 0 858 har frank pietrangelo 73 6 0 4 93 0 0 1 34 0 824 win mike o'neill 60 5 0 5 00 0 1 0 46 0 891 sj wade flaherty 2000 176 0 5 28 2 30 1 1220 0 856 sj jeff hackett 930 86 0 5 55 2 14 1 559 0 846 sj brian hayward 160 15 0 5 63 0 3 0 91 0 835 tor rick wamsley 20 2 0 6 00 0 0 0 7 0 714 olaf 90 10 0 6 67 0 2 0 44 0 773 ott darrin 249 30 0 7 23 0 5 0 146 0 795 ott steve weeks 98 13 0 7 96 0 2 0 51 0 745 la david 45 7 0 9 33 0 1 0 21 0 667 tb david littman randy coulman , sc aries laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman cs usask ca saskatoon , sk s7n 0w0
alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject albert sabin lines 41 br wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) br newsgroups alt atheism br organization , atlanta , ga br problem scientists exclude br possibility supernatural question br origins fair premise \? utterly br reject hypothesis science highest form br truth better crap creationists put far able manage distortions half truths \( taking quotes context \) br called human like creatures br apes humans br reconstructed fragments genetic code shown man primates fossil record \( little detail creationists try ignore \) br good deeds justify person god 's br sight atonement \( jesus \) needed atone br sin says \? bible \( tm \) \? would surprised christian followed rules bible \( pick choose , according local biases \) br point god creator look 's like agree proof \? know god \? br 'll send info via e mail br regards , bill post \? would interested seeing alan
uwaterloo ca \( john ching \) subject wanted tandem bicycle keywords tandem bicycle distribution na organization university waterloo lines 12 looking tandem bicycle , make , model , condition would prefer complete bike , tandem ok , please email one sale p pay shipping anywhere canada u john ching \( waterloo edu \) pattern analysis machine intelligence group department systems design engineering university waterloo , canada
filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) subject selfish hockey fans reply filinuk staff dccs upenn edu \( geoff filinuk \) organization university pennsylvania lines 10 nntp posting host staff dccs upenn edu tuesday , raining chicago , espn provided bonus hockey coverage seems though fans ticked ny wash ot replaced angels \? \? game people must realize baseball fans instead hockey fans u baseball game scheduled air advertisers money paid ca n't skip baseball game n't people chill enjoy whatever coverage get geoff filinuk
klaava helsinki fi \( jarkko tapio \) subject ftp site pov files \? organization university helsinki lines 9 know asked million time , ftp site carrying 30 40 full pov source files , including jack zip kettle zip \? 've unfortunately lost address i'm little hurry , please e mail helsinki fi thanks jarkko
ejhupper rs6000 cmp ilstu edu \( eric huppertz \) subject speed led 's gateway motherboard organization illinois state university lines 16 hi , recently got tower case gateway 486 33 file server , mostly needed extra drive bays better power supply case led 's processor speed , e 33 place plug motherboard \? , anyway hack something make work \? tia ! eric \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) eric j huppertz ejhupper ilstu edu \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) hey , n't rules come think \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) , n't rules
pjs euclid jpl nasa gov \( peter j scott \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! reply pjs euclid jpl nasa gov organization jet propulsion laboratory , nasa caltech lines 10 nntp posting host euclid jpl nasa gov 've found add 8 option displaying jpegs new version reason , n't , goes 24 bit mode resulting image displayed 216 colors \( array \) instead 256 looks since i'm ubiquitous 8 bit pseudo color display would thought could tell news peter scott , nasa jpl caltech brain news questions \? \( pjs euclid jpl nasa gov \)
enis cbnewsg cb att com \( enis \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians organization lines 39 article 1993may12 iastate edu , jakhan iastate edu \( javed ahmed khan \) actually , strife yugoslavia goes back long way bosinan muslims , collaboration nazis , serbians first world war serbs muslims fresh case dont think 're correct reports bosnians muslims supporting nazis genocide serbians fact croat govt using secret police \( called ustache , think \) prime agents nazis yugoslavia serbs javed first , strife massacre innocent moslem christian west since ottoman lost control balkans , many tens millions muslem peoples \( turks , , bosnians , others \) tortured , raped , massacred , driven homes region europe lucky ones escaped relative safety turkiye remaining others finished local christians , usa , rest europe christian west maintaining tight arms muslem peoples bosnia cannot letting christian serbs croats torture , rape , massacre innocent moslem peoples bosnia took christian europe almost six centuries achieve objective think let go untill every single moslem person \( bosnian , turk , , etc \) tortured , raped , massacred , driven homes
karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) subject bmw heated grips organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 20 article world std com artc world std com \( art campbell \) writes bergman panix com \( mark bergman \) writes bmw heated like summer \? yes , , mean ! comfortable \? 're hard rubber like compound always wear kind glove \( \) days given two factors , 're ok , certainly needed heated grips made pieces old bicycle inner tube cheap electric heating pad , top foam grips soft warm cheaper factor 5 , david karr \( karr cs cornell edu \)
tai jkj sii co jp \( martin \) subject question virgin mary lines 27 article may 6 00 35 45 1993 geneva rutgers edu , marka hcx1 ssd csd harris com \( mark ashley \) wrote countries event approved pope currently , images mary japan , korea , yugoslavia , philippines , africa showing tears \( natural blood \) resources , go one countries mentioned article may 9 05 40 20 1993 athos rutgers edu , mdw33310 uxa cso uiuc edu \( michael walker \) wrote 1 far current investigations , church recently declared crying statue corresponding messages mary akita , japan approved \( found month ago \) i'm japan \( michael , could give info akita nearest city would good \) find , 'll get pictures post version enough people interested marty ! lost space ! \( japan \? \) tai jkj sii co jp
ethanb ptolemy astro washington edu \( ethan bradford \) subject gamma ray bursters article ptolemy ethanb 1993apr27 132255 12653 tpl68k0 tplrd tpl oz au steinly 93apr27121443 topaz ucsc edu wampyr cc uow edu au organization u washington lines 8 nntp posting host ptolemy astro washington edu u9263012 wampyr cc uow edu au \( walker andrew john \) reply u9263012 wampyr cc uow edu au 's message 29 apr 1993 13 31 32 1000 u9263012 wampyr cc uow edu au \( walker andrew john \) writes also , come oort cloud would expect see stars oort clouds 's good point perhaps none nearby stars oort clouds \? alpha centauri multiple star system would n't expect oort cloud 's nearest single star likely planetary system \?
nsmca aurora alaska edu subject surviving large accelerations \? article aurora 1993apr26 1 organization university alaska fairbanks lines 40 nntp posting host acad3 alaska edu article fairfiel helios , fairfiel helios usq edu au \( raymond fairfield \) writes eis calstate edu \( lan pham \) writes \( answer amruth laxman sure 45g right number \? far know , pilots blackout dives exceed 8g 9g 45g seems human tolerance would anybody clarify please lan apart fact get g pull , dive , figure right sustained g , protection duration g , 's rate onset , body position support aids critical parts equation remember one note players recording peaks , aviation doctor , either accident design , took short period rocket , eye balls standard \( 1950 's \) harness short , calculate stopping time , even 500 g bang seat get 60 g , 'd better sitting straight find book martin human guinea pig hear bad get rate onset high position good g suit keep pilot functioning around tank good bet , since treat body fluid , high pressure situations new anyone figures \? ray fairfield fairfiel zeus usq edu au yes tank , combined breathing water \( ref abyss breathing solution think \) also right position astronaut strapping probably get much like near \( somewhat less \) saw book called time master \( title \) ideas fast could go michael adams , nsmca acad3 alaska edu i'm high , jacked
tsmith cerritos edu subject wanted searching music videos distribution world organization cerritos college , norwalk ca lines 26 currently searching old video tapes music groups early 80 's late 80 's first requested vhs formats , i'm accepting either vhs , 8mm , beta type format i'm interested type nite clubs trendy clothing stores play tapes send reply groups listed , 'll reply back groups listed type i'm searching 'll gladly pay worth trade movie music videos , thanks tom leaving state southern california please thank visiting earthquake state inet tsmith cerritos edu
wgs1 ra msstate edu \( walter g seefeld \) subject syquest drive cartridges lower price nntp posting host ra msstate edu organization mississippi state university distribution na lines 41 take 375 whole package original post follows article misc forsale newsgroups misc forsale , misc forsale computers wgs1 isis msstate edu \( walter g seefeld \) subject syquest internal 44 drive 8 cartridges sale trade summary trade 350mb 300mb ide , sell 450 organization mississippi state university distribution na date tue , 20 apr 1993 18 48 06 gmt drive less one year old cartridges bought since excellent condition still warranty due change system use , need large , contiguous drive offer includes internal drive scsi adapter card cables original documentation software original packaging 8 cartridges 350mb \( bad sectors defects \) installation breeze 386 clone trade something near 300mb ide , sell 450 also consider trading 4 30 pin simms 70ns walter g seefeld dawn 's early light , 940 n jackson st 1a know right , starkville , ms 39759 're going reap sown n5qxr jackson brown walter g seefeld dawn 's early light , 940 n jackson st 1a know right , starkville , ms 39759 're going reap sown n5qxr jackson brown
nomad ecst csuchico edu \( michael larish \) subject atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! article charnel organization california state university , chico lines 48 nntp posting host hairball ecst csuchico edu article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu \( bill green \) writes would like see serious discussion incident believe moves made right proper , still problems tactics watching abc special tonight , well cnn nightline , question atf fbi actions god , sane person ! somebody asking intelligent questions rather spouting unsubstantiated drivel making comparisons nazi germany question , along others , initial raid atf definite questions needing answers 1 \) could possible taken koresh outside compound time feb 28th raid \? probably many people angry initial confrontation attack compound many people compound willing die leader \? , attacked daylight hours without proper backup , medical support , etc rather stupid 2 \) could wait resulted different outcome doubt question atf 's initial raid , believe remainder standoff handled fairly well single exception psychological warfare blaring music , etc think uncalled probably hindered outcome 3 \) fbi actions \( blaring loudspeakers , etc \) right course action \? see questions like said , believe actions taken , general , proper still reservations agreed one point , i'm fan janet reno , like way balls go ahead take full responsibility seems like waffle boy problems figuring stood issue actually rather refreshing nowadays time , higher ups claim n't remember involvement \) michael g larish amateur radio callsign nomad ecst csuchico edu golden empire amateur radio society \( gears \) california state chico state amateur radio society \( \) university , chico butte county sheriff 's search rescue 317
kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) subject challenge microsoft supporters lines 40 nntp posting host bal1 mc duke edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 tim glauert \( thg cam orl co uk \) wrote article news duke edu , kdb acpub duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes tim glauert \( thg cam orl co uk \) wrote article news duke edu , kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes none changes fact msw3 1 objectively inferior competition mean msw3 1 objectively inferior respects \( trivially true \) , objectively inferior \( trivially false \) mean something else \? criteria chosen objective \? sure criteria objective \? believe enough inferior make overall product inferior competition apple system 7 , os 2 2 0 , nextstep 3 0 , unix xwindows \( pick favorite flavor \) words , opinion msw3 1 inferior competition 's msw3 1 objectively inferior technically inferior os guis listed already described say briefly system 7 easier learn use independent studies effect os 2 run msw applications stable multitasking nextstep easier learn , use , program stable multitasking unix x easy learn use stable multitasking setup , exchange data msw machines well msw machines amongst , interoperability issue criterion , inferior another , perhaps incorrect pick glove \? kurt bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham , nc 27710
drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp \( doug rinckes \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host 133 206 251 21 reply drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp organization telecommunications systems support centre , new zealand lines 26 article megatek com , randy megatek com \( randy davis \) writes article 1993apr22 asl dl nec com drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp writes course , people seem acting smug probably chain final drive \( , know , less efficient higher maintenance \) probably n't know answer start thread go change laws physics \? \) according numbers used see bandied around , shaft drive order 95 97 efficient , chain drive closer 99 seems makes chain drive efficient , hmmmmm \? \? \? granted , shaft lot less maintenance , fine , n't mind less performance \) \) randy davis email randy megatek com zx 11 00072 pilot uunet ! ucsd ! megatek ! randy ok regularly ride bike within 2 's maximum capability \? \( note idiot go flat bike \) anyway , efficient \? shaft drive much efficient solid \( erect \) lump metal floppy \( , \) chain doug rinckes drinckes tssc wlg nec co jp new zealand tssc ltd 1976 bmw r100s 1960 bmw r60 1940 indian
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject ancient references christianity \( albert sabin \) organization sgi lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes morrow stanford edu salem pangea stanford edu \( bruce salem \) writes article c5ztju fkx news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes nt tossed info jesus realize normally tossed contains miracles , reasons \? tossed source , would regarded unbiased independant \? brings another something never understood asked got interesting responses , somehow n't seem satisfied would nt considered good source contradicting facts , example jon
wtm uhura neoucom edu \( bill mayhew \) subject circuit boards green \? organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines 17 fiberglass boards available several colors sitting right , board stock white , blue , green yellow respectively 've also seen black boards solder mask available variety colors depending supplier , color helps material n't forget coating n't think 've seen phenolic impregnated paper boards anything brown , would difficult add dye change color bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown , oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu \( 140 220 1 1 \) 146 580 n8wed
r1328 vmcms csuohio edu subject bd 's 're paranoid freaks organization csu lines 33 article 1993apr22 starbase trincoll edu \( \) writes freed om religion absolutely nothing building small arsenal grooming 10 year old children wife 'll come soon finish manuscript seven seals oh , ok , david agree koresh much victim perpetrator grew inside cult , engaged power struggle supporters helped inflate ego n't change fact loose fucking cannon shitload serious weapons banging thirteen year olds twisting little minds move fuck helicoptor thermal imaging compound afternoon detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously cs canisters specially modified abrams stuff chance starting fire kerosene lamps \? maybe one , three fires way koresh n't talking ass expected happen maybe wanted look like murder 50 days think coming whole time n't even put children buried bus underground bunker cs seige put tower die fuck big brother paranoid freaks good thing come one less group attract members society 'd agree joe rodney thomas
tuba calpoly edu \( sean lawrence parker \) subject nra commercial organization california polytechnic state university , san luis obispo lines 14 saw new commercial \( \? \) nra starts bunch politicians talking get rid crime finally realize need put criminals away longer n't enough jail space decide another gun law \( whole seen various statistics easy criminals get \) next seen politician tv gun law get rid crime grungy looking guy \( criminal \) watching tv laughing ass classic sean
techbook techbook com \( dan \) subject teflon \( long term human missions organization public access lines 25 nntp posting host techbook techbook com hausner qucis queensu ca \( hausner \) writes rek siss81 \( robert kaye \) writes contributions space program regular society 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) sorry split hairs , read making atomic bomb \( \) teflon developed world war 2 needed tubing uranium passed gradually enriched corrosive , inert yet flexible material needed seals think 're right teflon actually discovered accident wwii 've heard , chemical \( assume \) tank valve got cutting open revealed material useful seals , major problem , say linings vessels would n't stick metal space program find way get stick thus stick market late dan techbook com
jgoss gaia torolab ibm com \( jeff goss \) subject honda clutch chatter reply jimb hpindda cup hp com 's message fri , 23 apr 1993 23 08 56 gmt lines 39 organization ibm toronto lab article hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) writes jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) date fri , 23 apr 1993 23 08 56 gmt organization hp information networks , cupertino , ca path eclipse ! yktnews watson ibm com ! newsgate watson ibm com ! news ans net ! howland reston ans net ! usc ! sdd hp com ! hpscit sc hp com ! ! ! hpindda ! jimb newsgroups rec autos references hpindda cup hp com lines 16 's nice know i'm alone comes clutch , etc problems late model hondas get supportive responses take local honda dealer maybe send regional rep southern calif input problem maybe group pressure honda owners placed honda find solution , retrofit clutch \? \? , maybe 'll sell blasted vehicle go back driving 10 year old pick \( fixed \) clutch problems caused look thought would trouble free solution ya sure put honda anything accord performed flawlessly areas 16 , 000 miles said something develop ! later folks alone old 83 accord \( hands \) much better engagement clutch even old 84 civic keep feels better aspect note cars 250 , 000 140 , 000 respectively 90 prelude blows away every respect except smooth clutch engagement course kawasaki best bunch need 2 wheels time prelude dud clutch day 1 , three years 67 , 000 better best luck feel free add collection jeff goss
techie cellar org \( william bacon \) subject earth also pollutes organization cellar bbs public access system lines 72 fury mother nature man 's contribution environmental pollution paltry compared nature exceptional book trashing planet , former atomic energy commision chairman dr dixie lee ray notes based available data , air polluting materials produced man since beginning industrial revolution begin equal quantities toxic materials , aerosols , particulates air three volcanoes krakatoa indonesia , mount alaska 1912 , iceland 1947 could added mount st washington state 1980 \( pumped 910 , 000 metric tons carbon dioxide alone \) el mexico 1982 \( sent 100 million tons sulfur gases stratosphere \) , mount philippines \( 1991 hurled upwards 30 million tons material stratosphere \) los many environmentalists attributed 1988 drought u global warming , researchers national center atmospheric research boulder colorado reported weather actually due natural phenomenon , interaction el el nina , two massive currents pacific el huge strip warm water periodically appears coast south america world 's weather patterns , el nina , mass cold water comes ocean depths along equator thousands miles chicago peter summarized phenomenon cold water along equator clashed warmer normal water southeast hawaii result u drought devastating swamped bangladesh nina 's cooler water disrupted weather patterns distorted path jet stream across north america jet stream shoved rain producing weather systems away interior u resulting drought terror animals insects also contribute share environmental degradation time april 20 , 1992 noted netherlands manure pigs poses major ecological threat , defiling water supplies excessive local sheep permanently landscape spain portugal , india cows whose constant quest food drives standing february 1983 issue science digest reported international team researchers discovered generate twice carbon dioxide fuel burning according study reported science november 5 , 1982 , estimated gross amount carbon dioxide produced twice net global input fossil fuel combustion addition , potentially important source atmospheric methane could account large fraction global emmisions wood eating bacteria enables digest carbon efficiently 90 pe converted carbon dioxide , methane , gases atmosphere ants another natural source pollution 1987 , atmospheric chemist bell laboratories , cornell university , reported ants make store huge quantities acid contributes rain falls remote areas found atmosphere gas around globe abundant , instance , fog hang rain forests central africa according july 6 , 1987 insight magazine , ants release acid defending communicating upon dying since 30 percent world ant population belongs , significant concern acid ants release , amount estimated 600 , 000 metric tons annually equal combined acid contributions automobiles , refuse combustion vegetation clearly , man long way go match nature environment robert w lee techie cellar org \( william bacon \) cellar bbs \( 215 \) 539 3043
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 100 article apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes difference bosnian tribes treated said , one could draw parallel russians , serbs bosnia typical nazi racist armenian sdpa arf' criminal nazi armenians asala sdpa arf hate muslims ideological reasons regardless \? 1914 1920 , criminal armenian grandparents committed unheard crimes , resorted conceivable methods despotism , organized massacres , poured petrol babies burned , raped women girls front parents bound hand foot , took girls mothers fathers appropriated personal property real estate today , put azeris unbearable conditions nation ever known history source times , 2 march 1992 corpses litter hills karabakh anatol lieven comes fire flying azerbaijani forces investigate mass killings refugees armenian troops swooped low snow covered hills nagorno karabagh saw scattered corpses apparently , refugees shot ran azerbaijani film places flew , shown journalists afterwards , showed dozens corpses lying various parts hills azerbaijanis claim many 1000 died mass killing azerbaijanis fleeing town khodjaly , seized armenians last week 4 , 000 believed wounded , frozen death missing seven us cabin azerbaijani m24 attack helicopter flew investigate claims mass killings suddenly thump underside aircraft , red flash tracer ripped past starboard wing , helicopter rocked sharply swung round , deafening burst fire cannon wing helicopter crew returned fire fired armenian anti aircraft post swung round , tipped starboard appeared dive straight valley brown earth swooped around heads , helicopter swung round followed contours ground cannon fired repeated blasts later emerged civilian helicopter landed successfully east disputed enclave nagorno karabakh , pick dead , fact , attacked ground fire armenian helicopter seen armenian helicopter intermittently window , cannons firing , thought mistakenly side group western journalists search rescue flight become combat mission flight consisted civilian passenger helicopter two m24 soviet attack helicopters azerbaijani service , flying armour party second civilian helicopter 's job land mountains pick bodies sites mass killings attack helicopters give covering fire necessary operation showed striking sign disintegration soviet armed forces pilot russian officer azerbaijani official told us five former soviet military helicopters pilots fighting azerbaijan signed contracts fly us , said helicopter engaged combat probably flown brother officer russian pilot , fighting armenians taken 5pm saturday agdam , heated armenian controlled mountains karabakh , sheer white wall distance civilian helicopter picked four corpses , previous mission azerbaijani cameraman filmed several several dozen bodies took hurry speed back towards azerbaijani lines azerbaijani gunners last hill plain safety us passed back agdam , took look bodies civilian helicopter picked two old men small girl covered blood , limbs cold rigor shot russian pilot think tragedy , close shave , war nagorno karabakh \? gave us cheerful grin , politely declined answer ques tions , marched dinner serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
andrew cmu edu subject maxtor scsi organization senior , math computer science , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 10 nntp posting host po3 andrew cmu edu maxtor 660 mb scsi drive access time 2 years old external casing 777 andrew cmu edu 412 268
sun075 ! gerry palo uunet uu net \( gerry palo \) subject portland earthquake lines 68 austin c archer \( saturn wwc edu \) wrote interested views non event may 3 seriously , christian discriminate messages god taken seriously , spurious \? useful would help us avoid embracing messages , non fulfillment proven false , thus causing name christ placed disrepute \? problem \? possible individual saw true prophetic vision , interpreted scale time space according material con , translating perceptions plane time space immediate worldly context getting wrong rationally , rather perceptions became clothed material images , instead remaining realm potential yet time space bound difficulty translating prophetic vision concrete always difficult , even prophets old prophecies often subject multiple interpretations likewise , apostles seemed feel return lord soon sense perhaps generation yet meaning soon proven different could grasp prophetic vision tends telescope time , things far appear close another possibility vision one real event preparing happen , realm potential yet manifest thwarted forces , including possibly act divine mercy many concrete prophecies made days devout sincere sober christians \( others \) seems great coming events really casting shadow arrival apocalyptic times various predictions \( i'm talking appear sincere sober \) hard accept , yet hard ignore com one feeling something start get ready begin commence happen living , chinese saying goes , interesting times discriminate , bible n't help much old testament passage \( forget \) says know whether prophet true whether prophecy comes pass helps eliminate failures fact , case earth quake small comfort seems prophecies give specific times places events suspect , necessarily false , sense stated , visions subject plane prophetic vision plane earthly time space worth , rudolf steiner asked whether modern initiate could see future predict coming events answer would possible would withdraw active , including proclaiming saw fact spiritual law , answer question discriminate one makes prophecies probably violating law , knowingly unknowingly , message considered priori dubious e would expect capable making true predictions giving accurate expression would way prophet oregon earthquake however , sympathize person published prophecy given overwhelming experience apparently , might feel impelled , even commissioned god tell fellow human beings seen gerry palo \( 73237 2006 compuserve com \) church historian readers know whether 's prophecy past \? n't get impression clh
unity ncsu edu \( henry e \) subject bomb laws \( atf burns dividian ranch ! survivors ! ! ! \) organization north carolina state university lines 13 article news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) writes primary purpose fertilizer explode kill people maybe law saying cannot use stuff make bomb would good \? even better , let 's pass law making illegal kill people bombs sort henry p thanks explaining primary purpose fertilizer stop worrying world trade towers bombing
reply dcs witsend tnet com c sessions dcs witsend tnet com organization nobody really x newsposter tmail version 1 20r subject israeli destruction mosque \( \) jerusalem distribution world lines 45 terminator rs itd umich edu , ra itd umich edu \( jack love \) wrote article news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) writes issue going presentation one reference probably wo n't resolve issue oppose insistence mosques destroyed even location one reference , spend quote dealing incidence , , nothing issue hand , end quote , almost hand comment two mosques destroyed support claim nature , authors support incident \? identifiable mosques destroyed certainly identifiable , names addresses \( location \) comment one reporter make us wonder happened means proves doubt israeli authorities ordered destruction mosques vicinity wailing wall mean , however , generalize points entire plaza , mosques , cleared make possible jews place worship place holiest many , denied millenia hand , throughout rest jerusalem israel , best knowledge , israeli authorities avoided damage islamic religious sites policies previous regimes destroyed jewish synagogues hate bigotry , matter , usa around , nobody freeways avoid churches , synagogues , forth get condemned , paid , road goes standard policy number public projects schools sports arenas two examples anticipating objection cases n't comparable \? wall count 1 tourist attraction part world making room traffic would twenty second decision city council ever heard c sessions speaking note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author \( everything else ! \) tmail \( dos mail news shell \)
jagst18 pitt edu \( josh grossman \) subject stupid media organization university pittsburgh lines 10 originator jagst18 cis pitt edu heard cnn texas rangers found m60 machine gun bd compound rubble called new hi tech military weapon ! ha ha ! ! would bet rock armory m60 semi auto , owned tax paid year m60 patented \? showing media twisting facts , josh
kane buast7 bu edu \( hot young star \) subject new study gay percentage organization astronomy department , boston university , boston , , usa lines 10 article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes 've already posted results survey homosexuals , shows profoundly promiscuous homosexual men urban areas among access gay
andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) subject criminals machineguns organization computer science department , stanford university distribution usa lines 60 article cs uiuc edu kratz cs uiuc edu \( jason kratz \) writes 1993apr16 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu \( andy freeman \) writes article 93104 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes people getting killed gang violence every day \? every single day hear people getting killed gang violence see confiscated kratz claiming reliably visually distinguish 16 ar 15 \? see difference semi auto full auto uzi \? see difference various versions \( full auto , semi auto \) 11 9 \? well , let see uzi , 11 9 , see question asked full autos kratz accurately distinguish semi auto look also included semi auto guns list see 'd ask distinguish non existent full auto relatives let 's former kratz claimed visually distinguish full autos semi autos full autos making claim \? \? let 's get specific , exhaustive possible 16 ar 15 , maybe remember selector ar 15 remember correctly \( please correct i'm wrong \) switch would set position position gun \( ar 15 \) semi automatic would n't 16 position semi auto fire full auto fire \( maybe 3 round bursts \) \? maybe \? kratz asking told us knows \? kratz certain distinguish three position switch two position switch via tv inspection \? \( even get see switch typical police display guns \? \) note one might well able see sort thing hands visual inspection even though wo n't seen tv think kratz telling us seeing tv accurate guns \? also selector switch switch semi auto fully auto fire \? questions \? kratz assured us could make distinction 's asking us well , said \? correct guess tv would acceptable \( good enough picture picture lower receiver ar 15 16 \) \? demonstrates , predicted , kratz blowing smoke andy gave kratz chance back private jason kratz n't take andy 's offer back private andy wonders kratz learning
nevada edu \( miller \) subject christian counseling psychology folks \? organization univ nevada , las vegas grad student , miller lines 20 hello hoping net netters helping professions \( counseling , psychology , psychiatry , social work , therapy etc \) network topics consider possibility sci counseling christian type newsgroup list integration psychology counseling theology subject great debate one particular interest 're , please know email direct get know one another news miller unlv helios nevada edu
db7n andrew cmu edu \( andrew byler \) subject immaculate conception \? organization freshman , civil engineering , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 12 joe buehler writes various explanations reaction angel 's greeting one angel getting , mother messiah knew , suffering gave moment 's pause priest know gave interesting explanation said words mary point doubt troubled thoughts , rather complete humble revel frequently confused given high praise , mary would rightly
tclock orion oac uci edu \( tim clock \) subject freedom u nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 28 article 1993apr28 418 cs ucla edu steven surya cs ucla edu \( steven berson \) writes hm cs brown edu \( harry mamaysky \) writes mr mamaysky 's proposal forbid action serves promote morally incorrect action omitted brevity prefer freedom granted first amendment us constitution arbitrary definition universal morality society impossible without shared set , sense god bad action basic foundation something universal steve p elaborate e mail n't clear p p i'm sorry misspelling name steven berson ucla computer science department \( 310 \) 825 3189 steven cs ucla edu los angeles , ca 90024 1596 tim clock ph graduate student uci tel 714 , 8565361 department politics society fax 714 , 8568441 university california irvine home tel 714 , 8563446 irvine , ca 92717
jima b17d ingr com \( jim albea \) subject 're government 're help organization intergraph corporation , huntsville , al lines 95 article 1993apr18 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes article 1993apr8 infonode ingr com jima b17d ingr com \( jim albea \) writes article 1993mar24 isc br isc br com , steveh thor isc br com \( steve hendricks \) writes steve proposes system checking nations criteria government try counter limits constitution might better place check gee , jim , 'll check constitution 'll find order promote general welfare ordain establish constitution i'm surprised missed 's right first paragraph would thought would made least preamble almost got right , good try , follow advice preamble constitution read quoted let us forget preamble binding part constitution carries weight law poor tortured paragraph got one unfortunate passages english language witness blowhards like think vague phrases part law land really believe politician give lip service promoting general welfare within limits constitution \? sorry , buddy , blowhards managed include general welfare another portion constitution article section 8 congress shall power lay collect taxes pay debts provide common defence general welfare united states guess wanted make sure everyone understood meant said preamble make sure 've got point , let 's little experiment constitution read follows \? preamble people , promote general welfare , ordain establish constitution united states america constitution federal government shall one function one function provide defense nation government would two functions defense welfare since explicitly includes general welfare defense article , section 8 , guess 'll grant constitutional functions right \? steve i'm glad see abandoned preamble thing word search find welfare somewhere else constitution \? comments brackets article section 8 ways guts constitution congress shall power 1 lay collect taxes , duties , , pay debts defined document provide common defence defence precisely defined general welfare defined document , mostly ways limit government united states taxes shall uniform u far congress given power collect taxes uniformly 2 borrow money 3 regulate commerce foreign nations , interstate indian tribes 4 uniform 5 coin money , regulate value thereof , etc 6 punish 7 establish post offices post roads 8 provide patents copyrights 9 constitute inferior supreme court 10 define punish etc 11 declare war , etc 12 raise support armies , longer two years stretch 13 provide maintain navy , notice time limit one 14 make rules army navy 15 provide calling forth militia execute laws etc 16 provide training army except state stuff 17 exercise exclusive legislation c 18 make laws necessary execute foregoing powers original instinct right looking nations precedents support liberal agenda much easier looking slim found constitution jim albea jima b17d ingr com
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 11 creps lateran ucs indiana edu \( stephen creps \) writes summarize , accused original poster saying something forbidden bible , proves ok e something cannot disproven , true rather seemed absolutely right reading , realized misunderstood said apologies question slavery , disagree slavery times slavery us may servants , would also expect paul little hint particular slave
neural hampshire edu \( andrew \) subject detect use illegal cipher \? organization hampshire college , amherst , lines 13 nntp posting host neural hampshire edu could someone repost send via email original posting clipper chip press release thanks andrew hampshire college neural hampshire edu andrew three may keep secret hampshire college two dead neural hampshire edu benjamin franklin
pages ! bwebster uunet uu net \( bruce f webster \) subject mormon temples reply pages ! bwebster uunet uu net organization pages software inc lines 23 article may 11 02 38 41 1993 athos rutgers edu mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) writes n't necessarily object secrecy question , since see biblical reason aspect christian worship involve secrecy interested claim early christian practices parallel mormon temple ceremonies could give example \? also , parallel mormon ceremonies \? n't mormon ceremonies restore original christian practices \? n't whole point joseph smith 's stated mission \? 'd recommend reading mormonism early christianity hugh nibley , particularly articles christ 's forty day \( post resurrection \) mission , baptism dead , early christian prayer circles , temples \( 2 articles \) bruce bruce f webster religion require sacrifice cto , pages software inc things never power sufficient bwebster pages com produce faith necessary unto life import pages disclaimer h salvation joseph smith
halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) subject faith dogma reply halat pooh bears \( jim halat \) lines 33 article aurora engr latech edu , ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes todd kelley \( tgk cs toronto edu \) wrote faith dogma dangerous faith dogma inevitable christians merely understand admit fact give proof god exists , whichever position take , forced faith good say take position , show interest existence god assume exist stuff deleted many posters said many posts lately , true show interest existence god takes faith make presumption knowledge possibility something enough require faith render interest different thing say n't believe something say n't sufficent reason believe something even interesting think 's either sometimes something else interesting occupies mind agree faith dogma inevitable , necessarily applied god religion takes faith dogma expect sun come every morning , overwhelming reason every single day , day day , everyone put faith dogma christian religion jim halat halat bear com bear stearns whatever n't kill serve annoy nyc speak
boyle cactus org \( craig boyle \) subject new integra '94 \? organization capital area central texas unix society , austin , tx distribution rec lines 27 article tsegw tse com pbhandar tsegw tse com \( parminder bhandari \) writes 've heard rumours new integra released '94 well , set watch honda releasing new models every 4 years upgrade half way cars life local acura dealership tells new integra soon , e may june hard find specific details integra deleted rest world seen canada australia well u discontinued first generation europe normally see new japanese models appear europe japan first extrapolate c reported engine would think craig anybody info \? local sales people know much throw parms \( still sig \)
dl ac uk \( g coulter , office , extension , \) subject real 3d organization daresbury laboratory , uk lines 32 distribution world reply dl ac uk nntp posting host dl ac uk article 2965 dsv su se , matt dah dsv su se \( mattias \) writes \( otol fi \) wrote earlier today read ad real 3d animation ray tracing software looked convincing yes , looks like good indeed however , n't amiga began wonder , 's pc version nope hear maybe ports pipeline somewhere , possibly unix sure though please put straight gary work serc daresbury lab internet g coulter daresbury ac uk uni university hardware a2000 000 20 a4000 040 120 regards email mattias matt dah dsv su se love
pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) subject seeking simple wm nntp posting host 130 187 85 113 reply pmartz dsd es com \( paul martz \) organization evans sutherland computer corp , salt lake city , ut lines 10 article cea fr , cea fr \( \) writes i'm seeking simple window manager \( icccm compliant \) minimal doc n't want ol wm twm gwm twm whatever happened uwm \? still available form \? 's years since used heard anyone talk paul pmartz dsd es com evans sutherland
sandiway research nj nec com \( sandiway fong \) subject sun 4 1 3 , openwindows 3 0 problem static linking x libraries originator sandiway ecp reply sandiway research nj nec com organization nec research institute lines 66 build two executables application let 's call papp \( uses shared libs \) \( statically linked \) problem get problems trying build static one , dynamic one see trace btw , static one runs fine despite ominous error message someone clue static one bombs link time \? thanks much , sandiway dr sandiway fong nec research institute inc 4 independence way princeton nj \( 609 \) 951 \( 609 \) 951 \( fax \) linking stage usr2 quintus 1 1 sun4 4 1 ld e start bstatic papp usr2 quintus generic 1 1 library sun4 4 usr2 quintus generic 1 1 library sun4 4 usr2 quintus 1 1 sun4 4 1 lm l usr local guide lib lx11 lxext lc undefined error code 1 make fatal error command failed target statically linked shared lib version linked exactly way save omission bstatic papp 1 usr local lib 1 0 2 usr local lib 2 7 0 usr openwin lib 0 2 3 usr openwin lib 3 1 3 usr openwin lib 3 1 lx11 4 usr openwin lib libx11 4 3 1 usr openwin lib 1 0 lc 1 usr lib 1 8 2 usr lib 2 14 ldl 1 usr lib 1 0
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject question 120vac outlet wiring organization distribution na lines 21 article 1993apr22 mtu edu cmwolf mtu edu \( engineer day asleep night \) writes dave \( dave imax imax com \) wrote require two separate grounds one ground goes ground pin outlet , ground wire connected outlet 's mounting tabs \( thus grounds box faceplate screw metal faceplate , \) thought ground connected metal frame socket christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf mtu edu remember , even win rat race 're still rat isolated ground \( usually unusual color , orange yellow \) often used low noise , low leakage applications , mentioned earlier thread richard dell
dealy narya gsfc nasa gov \( brian dealy csc \) subject xcreateregion works \? \? organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 87 distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa gov keywords xlib , originator dealy narya gsfc nasa gov article finch doc ic ac uk , ln doc ic ac uk \( leonidas \) writes hi , could someone explain exactly xlib functions xcreateregion , , , suggest ftp site find programs using functions ps man pages explain much thank , leo leonidas ln doc ic ac uk imperial college , london , uk dept computing use routines widget redraws exposed areas 's small piece code uses routines static void \( pw , ev , region \) pw ev region region pp exposure region pp pw plotter pp exposure region xcreateregion \( \) region passed via expose event \( region null \) \( ev send event \) synthetic event sent widget wants full redraw exporect x pw core x exporect pw core exporect width pw core width exporect height pw core height else exporect x ev x exporect ev exporect width ev width exporect height ev height stuff deleted region contains exposure region \( exporect , pp exposure region , pp exposure region \) else \( region , pp exposure region , pp exposure region \) stuff deleted need clip expose region redrawing grid \( \( pw \) , pp gc , pp exposure region \) stuff deleted check see child exposed \( \( pw plotter exposure region , child core x , child core , child core width , child core height \) \) , build region exposures service container widget redraw children , redraw need redrawn works , hope helps brian brian dealy 301 572 8267 knowing 's dealy kong gsfc nasa gov 's important , 's knowing ! uunet ! dftsrv ! kong ! dealy 's b dylan
wcs anchor ho att com \( bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 \) subject illegal transmit encrypted data \? organization mary ellen carter salvage crew reply neosoft com 's message mon , 26 apr 1993 16 03 43 gmt nntp posting host rainier ho att com lines 30 article sugar neosoft com neosoft com \( george \) writes aware restrictions imposed munitions act export cryptographic technology , however , illegal transmit encrypted data u another country \? , laws apply situation \? us law perspective , unless 're engaging illegal speech , 's illegal use encryption yet nsa allowed try listen , 're obligated make easy yet country may repressive laws gather france 's bureaucracy wants know 're saying , old soviet union , n't need laws make things illegal \( \( paranoia follows , want play safe \) fact nsa listening may affect willingness use wimpy crypto technologies , may also affect willingness use technologies violate rsa 's patents , e g use pgp , nsa may tell rsa 're , secret service catches , may decide mere fact rsa n't filed lawsuit n't mean n't deserve computer confiscated possible patent violation , munitions law violation , espionage , money , drug importation , disturbance , give back violate patent even though drop charges , unlike nasty steve jackson gall guilty anything pray peace bill bill stewart 1 908 949 0705 wcs anchor att com bell labs 4m312 holmdel nj , i'm new jersey , work cyberspace white house commect line 1 202 456 1111 fax 1 202 456 2461
tedward cs cornell edu \( edward ted fischer \) subject bases loaded walk gives reds win 12 organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 87 article 4dn netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes actually , think large scale sample size part problem seems plot players baseball regard ba vs clutch ba deviation would get kind bell curve \( x axis deviation clutch hitting vs non clutch axis number players \) certainly would players extreme ends bell right definitely supposition find players consistently \( year year \) one end bell , might able make reasonable conclusions players \( opposed baseball players \) may root confusion please consider following hypothetical open mind note \( yet \) saying anything question hand suppose simplified lotto game pick number 1 10 win number drawn suppose large population people play game every week first year game , approximately 1 4 population win 7 times second year game , 1 4 7 time winners 7 time winners third year game , 1 4 7 times first two years win 7 suppose started 1024 people population three years , 32 people consistently , last three years , 140 number times expected expect big winners fourth year game \? know skill involved nothing consistent winners influence chances winning suppose n't know whether chance skill might involved perhaps people population psychic , something would test hypothesis \? look correlations population population show zero correlation psychics show high positive correlation \( even n't good psychics , still manage win 7 times years \) net result \? small positive correlation entire population probably brings us heart disagreement others topic must conclusion based statistical history able applied broadly throughout data base validity \? impossible \( irrational \) apply statistical analysis selected components data base \? well , zero correlation zero correlation mention sabo hit poorly clutch last 3 \( \? \) years look past , find clutch patterns likely reverse remain consistent length streak n't seem make difference probability player clutch choke next year reason expect streak different past streaks \? true 75 three year streaks remained true form , might something useful would n't zero correlation instead 50 three year streaks remain true form , 50 three year streaks reverse look numbers say three year choke streak implies likely choke year would equally valid look numbers say three year choke streak implies likely clutch year , since probabilities split 50 50 way completely accept reasoning , find individuals end spectrum consistent basis \? would something useful would also positive correlation every individual exhibits pattern holds true , another exhibits pattern cheers , valentine
alan olsen p17 f40 n105 z1 fidonet org \( alan olsen \) subject albert sabin lines 275 br wpr atlanta dg com \( bill rawlins \) br newsgroups alt atheism br organization , atlanta , ga br since referred messiah , assume br referring new testament please detail br complaints e mail n't want post br first century greek well known br well understood considered josephus , jewish br historian , also wrote jesus \? addition , br four gospel accounts much harmony also well known comments josephus relating jesus inserted \( badly \) later editors four gospels harmony issue jesus know speak contradictions starting trial continuing death judas betrayal jesus acts 1 18 man \( judas \) purchased field reward iniquity falling headlong , burst midst , gushed matt 27 5 7 \( judas \) cast pieces silver temple , departed , went hanged chief priests bought potter 's field jesus' prediction regarding peter 's denial \? cock crow matthew 26 34 cock crow twice mark 14 30 many times cock crow \? mar 14 72 second time cock crew peter called mind word jesus said unto , cock crow twice , thou shalt deny thrice thought , wept mat 26 74 began curse swear , saying , know man immediately cock crew mat 26 75 peter remembered word jesus , said unto , cock crow , thou shalt deny thrice went , wept bitterly 22 60 peter said , man , know thou immediately , yet spake , cock crew 22 61 lord turned , looked upon peter peter remembered word lord , said unto , cock crow , thou shalt deny thrice joh 13 38 jesus answered , wilt thou lay thy life sake \? verily , verily , say unto thee , cock shall crow , still thou hast denied thrice joh 18 27 peter denied immediately cock crew destruction cities \( said jeremiah zechariah \) \( interesting matthew quotes prophesy never made ! time either \) mat 27 9 fulfilled spoken jeremy prophet , saying , took thirty pieces silver , price valued , children israel value zechariah 11 11 13 \( nothing jeremiah remotely like \) color robe placed jesus trial \? scarlet matthew 27 28 purple john 19 2 time mark says third hour , 9 , john says sixth hour \( noon \) sentence passed inscription cross matthew jesus king jews mark king jews luke king jews john jesus nazareth king jews give drink \? vinegar matthew 27 34 wine mark 15 23 women cross matthew said many stood far , including mary , mary mother james , mother zebedee 's children mark luke speak many far , mark includes mary mary mother james less john says jesus 's mother stood cross , along sister mary magdalene jesus' last words matt 27 46 , 50 ninth hour jesus cried loud voice , saying , eli , eli , lama \? say , god , god , hast thou forsaken \? jesus , cried loud voice , yielded u ghost 46 jesus cried loud voice , said , father , unto thy hands commend spirit said thus , gave ghost 30 jesus therefore received vinegar , said , finished head , gave ghost events matthew says veil temple rent , earthquake , dark sixth ninth hour , graves opened bodies saints arose went jeruselem , appearing many \( beating jesus resurection \) mark luke speak darkness veil temple rent mention earthquake risen saints john one mentions jesus 's side burial jesus matthew says jews asked pilate guard prevent body stolen disciples , tomb sealed supposedly done , gospels mention precautions long jesus tomb \? depends look matthew 12 40 gives jesus spend three days three nights heart earth , mark 10 34 three days \( meta \) rise far see quick look , prophecies three days , post resurrection narratives third day time resurection matthew says sunday dawn , mark says sun rising , john says dark empty tomb \? mat 28 1 end sabbath , began dawn toward first day week , came mary magdalene mary see sepulchre mar 16 1 sabbath past , mary magdalene , mary mother james , , bought sweet spices , might come joh 20 1 first day week cometh mary magdalene early , yet dark , unto sepulchre , stone taken away sepulchre see tomb \? mat 28 2 , behold , great earthquake angel lord descended heaven , came rolled back stone door , sat upon mat 28 3 countenance like lightning , white snow mat 28 4 fear keepers shake , became dead men mat 28 5 angel answered said unto women , fear ye know ye seek jesus , crucified mar 16 5 entering sepulchre , saw young man sitting right side , clothed long white 24 4 came pass , much , behold , two men stood shining garments joh 20 12 two angels white sitting , one head , feet , body jesus belief disciples stole jesus 's body matthew says guard paid tell story , gospel makes claim risen jesus matthew says angel tomb told two jesus also told , tell disciples meet galilee disciples went mountain previously agreed , met jesus appearance , except women tomb matthew five verses visit disciples mark says jesus walked two disciples country , told rest disciples , refused believe later appeared 11 disciples luke says two followers went , day jesus rose dead , emmaus , village eight miles jeruselem , jesus ate meal together evening , finally recognised jesus , returning jeruselem , told disciples experience , suddenly jesus appeared among , frightening , thought spirit jesus ate fish honey preached john says jesus appeared disciples evening day , jeruselem , hiding breathed holy ghost , thomas present refused believe eight days later jesus joined disciples place time convinced thomas jesus made appearance disciples sea recognised telling cast side boat , jesus becomes known bread fish eat together converse book acts adds confusion says jesus showed apostles period 40 days resurection \( thus contradicting matthew , mark , luke john \) spoke things pertaining kingdom god spoken things , , taken cloud recieved sight looked toward heaven went , two men stood white also said , ye men galilee , stand ye gazing heaven \? jesus , taken heaven , shall like ye seen go heaven acts 1 3 11 paul every authority saying jesus seen 500 persons time resurection , although say also claims one born due time also saw jesus 1 cor 15 6 8 ascension matthew says nothing mark casually says jesus recieved heaven finished talking disciples jeruselem luke says jesus led blessed , parted carried heaven john says nothing acts contradicts \( see previous section \) second coming \? mat 24 34 verily say unto , generation shall pass , till things fulfilled mar 13 30 verily say unto , generation shall pass , till things done 21 32 verily say unto , generation shall pass away , till fulfilled 1 thessalonians 4 15 18 many apostles office resurection 1 corinthians 15 5 \( 12 \) matthew 27 3 5 \( minus one 12 \) acts 1 9 26 \( elected resurrection \) mat 28 16 eleven disciples went away galilee , mountain jesus appointed ascend heaven elijah went heaven \( 2 kings 2 11 \) man hath ascended heaven came heaven , son man \( john 3 13 \) see , number contradictions account trial , resurection jesus good witnesses , would think could get important details right ! \( fact , cannot find many points agree would think could least agree points supposedly observing ! \) fact much contradiction error , story resurection presented cannot taken literal truth \( due nature story , doubt taken sort truth \) alan
rosa ghost dsi unimi \( massimo rossi \) subject philips pro monitor \? organization computer science dep milan university lines 8 hi guys anyone could tell resolution work monitor course support 640x480 800x600 1024x768 cirrus card seems n't work clues \? written max rosa ghost sm dsi unimi
luriem alleg edu \( michael lurie \) liberalizer subject time best players organization allegheny college lines 20 article 1993apr21 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes overall \( career \) 1 mattingly 2 mattingly 3 mattingly 4 mattingly 5 mattingly 6 mattingly 7 mattingly 8 mattingly 9 mattingly 10 mattingly 11 mattingly wanna go game sometime \? jesus christ boy , heard real time best steve 's yankee pride
situnaya ibm3090 bham ac uk subject best ftp viewer please organization university birmingham , united kingdom lines 5 nntp posting host ibm3090 bham ac uk could someone please tell best viewer available msdos running 486 33mhz svga monitor need look gifs mainly would advantageous ran windows thanks
unixg ubc ca \( yep ! 's \) subject help w scan 104 organization university british columbia lines 10 nntp posting host unixg ubc ca somebody help installed version 104 anti virus program tried scan entire hard disk , got message sorry , ca n't open xxxx couple files , including exe n't happen \( previous version \) appear friend 's machine thankx
beng dorsai dorsai org \( ben ng \) subject backup organization dorsai embassy lines 9 nntp posting host dorsai dorsai org summary keywords x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 cms 's please email thoughts machine specifics avg file access etc ben ng beng dorsai dorsai org 1 278 706
essex ecn uoknor edu \( chris michael \) subject networking macs pc nntp posting host essex ecn uoknor edu organization engineering computer network , university oklahoma , norman , ok , usa lines 24 work small appletalk network 3 macs couple printers also pc specialized accounting software would like operate macs soft pc , found software works fine , would like data program reside one place \( pc hard disk \) question \( actually questions \) 1 \) board pc allow hook appletalk network \? 2 \) 1 possible , software hardware combination allow mount pc hard disk networked disk macs use soft pc run application \? 3 \) 1 2 impossible , way accomplish \? chris university oklahoma share split essex ecn uoknor edu
speedy engr latech edu \( speedy mercer \) subject windy days organization louisiana tech university lines 15 nntp posting host bhm116e spc engr latech edu article dcs ed ac uk amd dcs ed ac uk \( alan duncan \) writes \( robert castro \) rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu writes decide windy ride \? handlebar mounted windy days fun windy hell week plays hell steering oh , still ride bitch lot ! dod 8177 technician \( dr speed \) student stolen taglines hey ! go \? n't think naahh
uxa cso uiuc edu \( johann e \) subject vx centris upgrade price organization university illinois urbana lines 12 anyone price quote vendor vx centris 650 upgrade \? 've quoted price till august 15th cost course n't include trade rebate 1300 vx board thus 1101 one gets centris 650 , 8 meg onboard fpu ethernet anyone else info \? price university illinois micro order center , vendors offer similar prices \? johann j uiuc edu
rstimets silver ucs indiana edu \( robert stimets \) subject rule book trivia 2 nntp posting host silver ucs indiana edu organization indiana university lines 39 article 93109 maine maine edu ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes manager , 'd argue runner base line since left first base line umps n't budge \( wo n't er admit wrong \) , 'd file protest league rule 7 09 \( k \) states interference batter runner running last half distance home base first base runs outside three foot line , inside \( left \) foul line , umpire 's judgment , interferes field er taking throw first base key word rule runner n't running baseline 's interfering fielding ball throw fielding throw first catcher opted throw ball batter runner 's head , 's inter definition interfering fielder taking throw \? rule book certainly n't clarification , 's possible interpret rule saying catcher alter throw avoid hitting batter runner , interference know , seems way apply rule justly catcher \( pitcher , say rob dibble , example \) throws toward first hits runner running inside baseline , fielder takes chance ejected therefore probably would throw around runner \( scenario \) note american legion league , \( uses mlb rules \) interpret rule say circumstance interference per rule 7 09 rstimets
eric tv tek com \( eric f \) subject headland video7 512k ver upgrade info needed article 1993apr23 organization tektronix tv measurement systems , beaverton , lines 21 headland technologies video seven board came 512k , time ok need info help upgrading board 1 mbyte 2 rows pins vram chips , think piggyback board vram would like hear anyone may able help upgrade board maybe someone headland maybe read ing one piggyback boards laying around , please please please ! anyone know could maybe buy upgrade \? would sure love use 800x600 256 color mode time , get 3 4 screen bottom part white strip , obviously missing vram , actually i'm surprised even works degree ! last resort , wind selling board \( probably getting 1 mb et4000 based dumb frame buffer editors choice 9 24 91 pc mag anyone info , please email last resort post group thanks advance
simon sco com \( simon \) subject caller id chip info requested organization sco canada , inc lines 18 got caller id \( except bell calls call display n't know talking asked caller id \) got cheapest display box could find , hope convert serial chip used 18 pin dip marked cdt 14 285 presume date i'm hoping somebody knows something chip , save strange hours hooked scope , asking friends call 'll post interesting replies , experiences simon simon sco com
donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu subject harsh environments \( etc etc \) organization um anesthesiology lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host 141 214 86 38 x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 x xxdate mon , 26 apr 93 11 41 41 gmt article 1993apr26 8618 leland stanford edu brett glass , glass leland stanford edu writes posting reminded long standing question 've pay consider underwater camera pictures taken land harsh environments \( e g rain , snow , heat , cold , mud , dust \) \? lenses , etc tuned refractive index water \? nikon since 1988 unfortunately longer made p sealed resist water depth 12 feet really underwater camera great wet dusty conditions takes aa batteries \( hooray \) solid , heavy feel old style taken abuse able give includes lot water \( rain , river sea \) , desert beach sand well used weapon mugger shouting swinging camera strap n't scare mugger away , hitting flying camera , never without camera camera current water resistant \( sport touch think name \) model nothing like solid well sealed mackie opinions
dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com \( dave medin \) subject suggestions audio relays \? \? \? reply dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com organization intergraph corporation , huntsville al lines 66 article c5qsbf iek ms uky edu , billq ms uky edu \( billy quinn \) writes built little project using radio shack 5vdc relays switch audio got pretty bad 'clicks' thing switched common things one supposed using relays nothing seemed get rid clicks question good relay relay circuit use switching audio , noise kind audio lines appreciate advice references advice also , exact part numbers company names etc relays help ! first step make sure dc component , intentional , audio lines switched neither output input presents unintentional dc level \( let 's say 're coupled \) , putting 22 k resistor input ground , output ground good precaution leakage coupling caps presenting dc level guaranteed cause click device presents unintentional dc level coupling capacitor leakage , need remove dc switching coupling capacitors one relay \( relay switching one input common output \) , use make break switching brief instant sources connected switch change may mask switch click audio switch made taking light bulb making opto light dependent resistor \( \) sealed inside piece black many broadcast consoles use older , time honored technique actually makes complete like , n't part number handy radio shack grab bag \( 276 \) might want try simple , solid state switch cheap , might try looking analog switch commonly available \( older predecessor , \) , dc component must removed prior switching alternatives include switches \( discrete ic \) diode switching \( works relatively well , surprisingly \) , pitfalls application tips could easily make subject multi page article solid state switches may induce click turned due charge injected audio line device capacitance control signal changes state techniques minimize include lowering impedance signal paths switch , differential switching , slowing control pulse , cutting click simple putting 10k resistors series control pins hope helps least get started dave medin phone \( 205 \) 730 3169 \( w \) ssd networking \( 205 \) 837 1174 \( h \) intergraph corp gd3004 internet dtmedin catbyte b30 ingr com huntsville , al 35894 uucp uunet ! ingr ! b30 ! catbyte ! dtmedin everywhere look \( least around office \) opinions expressed mine \( machine \)
sandvik newton apple com \( kent sandvik \) subject davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines 17 article juts ccc amdahl com , agr00 ccc amdahl com \( anthony g rose \) wrote hard time understanding christianity knows word compassion christians , think actions today would produce good picture religion \? surely equating david koresh christianity \? two comparable always option sect causing harm , label cult something else cheers , kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities net
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject talking soldiers , part ii summary hmmmm , seem remember us troops college organization acme products lines 18 article csulb edu , beach csulb edu \( jeff \) writes janet , advice go seals delta force green berets next time talk nicely generals might illegal without specific presidential declaration even change law general \( sic \) , u military troops permitted used domestic policing operations mean besides national guard \? outside military reservations \? besides national \? brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
acorn co uk \( adrian godwin \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? organization acorn computers ltd , cambridge , uk lines 18 article 1993apr26 das harvard edu squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) writes soaking water \) lasers slightly sharper , instance needed precise layouts printed circuit board transparencies found color phaser postscript \( thermal wax transfer \) work best make pcb negatives directly onto transparency deskjet work printing transparencies \? , sort resolution could manage \? adrian adrian godwin acorn co uk adrian demon co uk believe rubbish n't imagine anyone else
jagrant emr1 emr ca \( john grant \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization dept energy , mines , resources , ottawa lines 31 article uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article 1993apr30 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu \( dave laudicina \) writes microsoft largest software company planet , yet cannot think even one computing concept innovated brought market anyone else xerox parc apple , osborne , next , gnu others pioneers led way future computing microsoft done technological leader \? posted question , got nary reply make challenge anyone come something especially microsoft employees get response time , guess pretty much assures none suspect anyway really come cares hope ms keeps best getting usable productive software masses thx dave l think windows useable , must use much windows version crash protection wearing helmet computing arir \( air \) bag expensive add brett ladies gentlemen please keep discussion comp os ms windows advocacy belongs thank john grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey canada , ottawa john grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey canada , ottawa
subject debugging possible hardware problems organization andrews university andrews edu \( hernandez \) lines 27 suspect external cache , real evidence suggestions cause problem bad memory , bad motherboard , bad cache suggestions debug problem turn cache gcc big programs seemed crash 15 time gcc gave something like program got fatal signal 11 anything past complexity elvis , kermit , etc , got kernel general protection faults least session disabled cache suggested , bingo , linux stable rock \( n't given core dump kernel error yet \) one know cache would something like \? andrews edu programmers paid hour , suppose array x 1 1000 initialized \? programming pearls
wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) subject long distance ir detection organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution na lines 25 jvannes vms macc wisc edu writes probably referring products opto diode corp 750 mitchell road newbury park ca 805 499 make amazing irled 's really high powered devices arrays 3 , 6 , 9 , led 's 66 header 9 chip model puts 6 5 watts response 5 amp , 10 us pulse 5 duty cycle think designed ir vision systems yeah ! 's guys ! would also interested application work dance technology program , want build something track dancers 30 foot wide stage 50 feet away yeah , sounds lot like anyway \) duane
cohen gomez phys virginia edu subject mov advice please \? reply cohen gomez phys virginia edu organization dept physics , university virginia lines 18 hello , somebody tell kind mov 's useful computer surge protector \? radio shack 2 types , rated , one 10a current hand , commercial surge protectors seen claim voltage , seems imply rated voltage \( sqrt \( 2 \) 353 \) right kind \? , ow important really emi rfi module \? really noticable level noise power line \? please e mail , group much volume able follow thanks !
scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov \( john scialdone \) subject way go ferraro ! ! ! ! news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization nasa goddard space flight center lines 26 isles picked one hell time get first win year 2 periods caps seemed game hand playing steady defense getting great goaltending tabaracci isles power play philosophy continues dump chase , except like flatley , n't work caps hope al realizes ! ! many talented finesse players , carry puck set \? \? \? last night 's game omen , isles could way ole championship form coming behind late game advice caps healy rebounds flatley showed alot heart playing last period overtime despite almost swollen shut left eye injury suffered hands dale hunter ray ferraro arrived time playoffs showing hustle us islander fans remember italian past john tonelli ! ! ! tonelli similar game pens game 5 82 playoffs isles scored two late third period goals send game ot tied 3 ot , tonelli scored game winner send isles next round isles lacked years , perhaps back ! good see coliseum packed like ole days ! ! ! good luck isles rest way ! ! ! ! ! john scialdone scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov home brave jerry garcia , bob , vince april 12 , 1993 opening day , candlestick park
edm twisto compaq com \( ed mccreary \) subject genocide caused theism evidence \? reply bobbe vice 's message 25 apr 93 23 26 20 gmt organization compaq computer corp rice edu tekgen bv tek com lines 11 25 apr 93 23 26 20 gmt , bobbe vice \( robert beauchaine 6086 59 323 lp \) said examples luther 's insane rantings deleted gee , i'm sooooo surprised n't teach part ideology high schools today ed mccreary , edm twisto compaq com , laughter , would tao \( \) ' \( \)
robert slipknot rain com \( robert reed \) subject acm siggraph \( acm general \) reply robert reed robert slipknot rain com organization home animation ltd lines 50 article 1993apr29 csustan edu rsc altair csustan edu \( steve cunningham \) writes , siggraph 93 skipped town 're preparing best siggraph conference yet ! speaking siggraph , went ordeal annual registration siggraph membership acm last night , ever ! new prices membership almost highway robbery ! example siggraph basic fee went 26 last year 59 year thing , 127 increase enough arrange trip annual conference could reduce 27 selecting siggraph lite , means siggraph charging additional 32 \( \) proceedings art show catalog , essentially went 40 cost , way current inflation rate basic fees , whereas membership included human factors conferences proceedings , extra cost option back basic rate , equivalent services gone 100 cost membership cost 33 , 've also split computer supported cooperative work conference proceedings used included membership adding cost back means sig also doubled membership fee really acm sent brochures couple months ago touting new approach providing member services , tried make sound like offering new services exception couple , like siggraph , plus services appear splitting costs smaller piles n't look big recommended changes membership would paying 90 last year 31 increase services \( measured cost , value \) , , curiously , 31 inflation rate publications got last year anyone extortion \? robert reed home animation ltd 503 656 robert slipknot rain com first court , west linn , shooting foot various languages systems motif spend days writing uil description foot , trajectory , bullet , intricate ivory handles gun finally get around pulling trigger , gun jams
doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu \( jason abner miller \) subject john franco organization johns hopkins university hcf lines 30 distribution na nntp posting host jhuvms hcf jhu edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr23 zeus calpoly edu , jplee cymbal calpoly edu \( jason lee \) writes 's john franco \? mets hardly using n't worry perfectly normal state affairs actually using , worried heard completely recovered , i'm sure 's recovered totally injury 's 's pitching rest arm enough get injured pitching 38 days rest fun dining diamond club shea stadium ay struggles every day anybody information franco , would appreciate could drop line 've quite happy drop john franco , bring back randy myers ! , better make bring back neil allen ! jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu sf giants e pi 1 0 beautiful equation mathematics magic sad words tongue pen , saddest number might john greenleaf whittier 148 jason miller doctor guy tanana 1 0 , 1 50
gabi technion ac il \( gabi \) subject wanted interactive gui builder x motif organization technion institute technology lines 23 hi , i'm looking tools make x programming easy would like tool enable create x motif gui currently i'm working sgi forms package enables create gui coding \( callbacks \) help appreciated thanks gabi gabi ee room 608 ph 04 29 \( \) \( \) technion , haifa , israel \( \) interest mapping problem \( c \) e mail gabi technion ac il
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject bike sale , usa keywords wicked sexist organization duke university durham , n c lines 28 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article 1993apr20 news columbia edu scs8 cunixb cc columbia edu \( sebastian c sears \) writes article 1993apr19 102 zorro tyngsboro us jd zorro tyngsboro us \( jeff derienzo \) writes 've recently become father twins ! n't think afford keep 2 bikes 2 babies babies staying , 1 harleys going 1988 883 4000 mi \( hey , wife 's bike \) well pretty uncalled \( smile \) harley feeling challenged \? jeff derienzo , 'd sell bike , let ride around stay home kids \? geez , 's tough choice andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
tti world std com \( joachim martillo \) subject europe vs muslim bosnians summary mohammed elabdellaoui moron organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 44 article cobra cs unm edu melabdel cobra cs unm edu \( mohammed elabdellaoui \) writes muslims helping nazis \? \? \? earth come accuusation \? \? proofs \? \? , publically apologize statement dope ! value mohammed elabdellaoui western university third worldist islamic brain rot made impossible acquire analyze facts appropriately history efforts mufti jerusalem serve nazis south balkans set muslim ss divisions well documented general , nazism leader principle well among muslim peoples khomeini 's concept recent example resonance fact , totalitarianism etymologically reasonable translation islam fair , mufti succeed getting large numbers muslims join ss rather small muslim ss unit manage commit attrocities disproportionate size also muslim people less enthusiastic attempt muslim leaders entice muslim people serve nazi cause actively turkish government ignored practically nazi even though alliance nazis soviet government would made great deal tactical sense last time heard , nazis prided needing body carry politics ideologies statment true , n't think israel would used point muslim neighbor \( palestine \) could allowed \? jewish lobby power strong , said true , would heard could come dare say taking sides ! ! yes , typical primitive muslim psychotic behavior upon hearing reading fact start whining jews jerk mohammed go back mindlessly stupid 3rd world country brain business civilized first world country joachim carlo santos martillo ajami
robert angelo pleshar rp16 andrew cmu edu subject bernie nicholls man ! organization university libraries e library , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 12 nntp posting host po5 andrew cmu edu reply 1993apr23 virginia edu matthew rush 's starting push edge imho course , holik 's chop barrasso 's neck n't either seems following way beat penguins injure philosophy 's pretty obvious holik 's hitting barrasso accident even apologizing immediately penguins jumped ralph
david anderman ofa123 fidonet org subject update back moon bill x sender newtout 0 08 feb 23 1993 lines 51 introducing back moon congress next step next key hurdle lunar resources data purchase act introduction act congress point , many congresspersons approached bill however , successful effort pass bill , need best possible congressperson introduce bill due position chair house committee space science , congressman george brown logical choice long record support interest space development , helped pass launch services purchase act space settlements act small group activists southern california assisted george brown recent election campaigns group tell congressman brown back moon bill also asking pro space constituents let know care getting america back moon finally , good chance nationwide alert space activists call write george brown introduce back moon bill may staged late spring , 1993 produce positive reaction brown 's office known , passed however , even successful getting support bill , alone ensure passage bill bill become law , one three conditions must exist either bill must reflect widespread national support issue \( extension unemployment insurance benefits \) propelled high priced lobbyists \( 're luck \) widespread support within congress , due small , widespread , constituent support latter path , necessity , must choose means introduction lunar resources data purchase act must immediately accompanied large number sponsorship bill accomplish , need activists ask congressperson support lunar resources data purchase act wait bill introduced simply late takes time congressperson 's staff review bill congressperson mentions bill yet introduced , please elicit opinion bill currently written appreciate comments bill activists politicians yet see back moon bill , please request copy email \( please include u postal service address \) , contact local chapter national space society \) maximus 2 01wb
amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( alois himsl \) subject bmw 528i organization lehigh university lines 41 article 1993apr25 ultb isc rit edu , adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes looked bimmer yesterday 's '81 , , according owner \( odometer stopped working \) well , sounds good , body ok , wants 3000 liked car , despite 's auto tranny , wife primary driver one , wants auto radio work untill car warms honk horn \( ! \) c seems leak sunroof sticky , operational odometer work , mentioned idle bit , going wipers slow 's teh gripes owner says changed radiator , alternator , rotors calipers , exhaust biggest problem , owner sob , telling strange stories hate would never buy like , except , often see descent 528i amount money also said , although could bring , would n't let check car taking garage suspicious knows milage , let know check , given 's practically rust know article 528i r years back , anybody remembers issue \? mike buy ! things mentioned give headaches later also sounds like car needs lot work probably know bmw 's cheap fix either owner sounds like shady character trying take advantage someone sure 3000 sounds good calculate much repairs sounds like would sink least 1000 get everything fixed also never trust anyone far mileage concerned knows many miles driven sure people tell bmw 's hold consider car subject wear tear know could 200 , 000 miles thing remember n't last 528i around either wait keep shopping around 5000 6000 probably find one better , needs less repair , legitimate mileage unlike one considering take guy taken couple times good luck al himsl
network com \( john irish \) subject button sensitivity problem motif app openwindows nntp posting host network com organization network systems corporation lines 25 motif application consists multiple transient shells children single toplevel shell transient shell popped , application modifies sensitivity button toplevel shell hidden transient shell window transient shell popped , button sensitivity correct button text remains unchanged \( e , solid shaded \) subsequent selection button causes text revert correct visual state tracing event messages sent application , many events seen mwm present openwindows anyone suggestions solutions please post send mail thanks !
sutton vxcrna cern ch \( sutton , bern sl \) subject hip replacement news software vax vms vnews 1 41 organization european organization nuclear research , cern lines 0
hawkwind central sun com \( bob netherton \) subject ray lankford question organization sun microsystems lines 31 distribution world reply bob netherton dallas central sun com nntp posting host hawkwind central sun com article 1993apr20 mnemosyne cs du edu , msilverm nyx cs du edu \( mike silverman \) writes anybody know going lankford \? know games slight injury , since \( injury matter \) really struggling plate performance plate may well shoulder injury received ran wall making catch cincy series may also pressing little baserunning , appear lankford dent made bad call sending lankford sunday night game cincy everyone bad time dodger 's catcher ray lankford saw last year \? \? \? good question least n't appear seeing zeile \) h bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems mp dallas , tx \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \) \( \)
vax ftp com \( james b \) subject jumper settings ungermann bass ethernet card nntp software pc tcp nntp keywords ub lines 14 nntp posting host whipped cream ftp com reply ftp com organization ftp software , inc , north andover , massachusetts distribution na article 1993apr21 ntg com dplatt ntg com \( dave platt \) writes irq interface select jumpers pretty straightforward , n't settings \( also labelled a15 a18 \) could somebody tell settings four jumpers correspond addresses \? u b \( also ibm \) ethernet card know n't use addresses interrupts shared memory jumpers see control bits 15 18 base address shared memory ca n't recall 1 0 , 's easy determine debug james b 2 high st , north andover , ftp software inc voice \( 508 \) 685 4000 fax \( 508 \) 794
khayash hsc usc edu \( ken hayashida \) subject planets habitable organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 53 distribution sci nntp posting host hsc usc edu article jpg 93apr27135219 holly bnr co uk jpg bnr co uk \( jonathan p gibbons \) writes would appreciate thoughts makes planet habitable humans making asumptions life similar atmosphere evolve given range physical aspects planet question physical aspects simply disallow earth like conditions eg temperature range \( temp purely dependant dist sun suns temperature \) atmospheric \? know nothing human tolerance planetary mass \? gravity surface important , much human bodies take day day also mass effect atmosphere thinking planets 3 3 times mass earth suppose density important well climate etc concern , axial tilt etc etc three factors relate one another jonathan jonathan , interesting questions wonder whether moon could ever supported atmosphere 'd interested knowing geology environmental sciences friends think human tolerances , best example human endurance terms altitude \( e low atmospheric pressure lower oxygen partial pressure \) opinion scaling mt everest without oxygen assistance accomplished team trained high altitudes quite awhile \( think months \) flown helicopter training altitude equivalent altitude mount everest , began planet 's highest peak without oxygen tanks quite feat physiological endurance , tried go 20 , 000 feet exert , would probably pass , get altitude sick , could even die limit low pressure high pressure situations would limited duration time takes slowly higher pressure skin divers would know alot high pressure situations could tell safely make deep dives without getting bends military experiments put people several atmospheres pressure \( sure high limit papers n't front \) usually certain point , nitrogen air becomes toxic body start acting idiotic divers call nitrogen afflicted dangerous irrational things , like taking diving mask oxygen tank order talk fish 100 feet water \( hope diving folk elaborate matter , diving expert \) mars cannot support human life without atmosphere thin \( 1 100 th earth 's atmospheric density \) addition , mars atmosphere mostly carbon dioxide basically , would need pressure suit , 'd die low pressure interesting huh \? ken khayash hsc usc edu
jcs sage cc purdue edu \( stalnaker \) subject system 6 0 8l organization purdue university computing center lines 5 , ernest stalnaker jcs sage cc purdue edu oo oo ! pur ee ! sage cc ! jcs
as010b uhura cc rochester edu \( tree schnopia \) subject concentrate child molesters \? nntp posting host uhura cc rochester edu organization university rochester rochester , new york lines 52 optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes article avt hilbert cyprs rain com , joec hilbert cyprs rain com \( joe cipale \) writes article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes however , monogamous homosexual male sex rare practical purposes , homosexuality spreads aids clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , fucking homophobic moron ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! iv drug use \? tainted blood \? multi sexual partners \? knew anything \? also spread aids say anything different \? go back read wrote statement homosexuality spreads aids made false fact methods spreading well made false ridiculous leap logic monogamous homosexual male sex rare \( load proportionately many queers monogamous , ones n't use condoms , part \) practical purposes , homosexuality spreads aids unprotected sex infected partner spreads aids practical purposes speak obviously purposes spreading homophobia , leads interesting truth cramer spreads hate n't nice \? talking , would dangerous right , persistent boil skin humanity needs joe cipale typical homosexual response mean , typical homosexual response clayton e cramer think human would react way someone hateful , actually seem hear sort thing coming posts , know clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , planning make complete sentence anytime soon \? drewcifer bi andrew simchik schnopia ! as010b uhura cc rochester edu treewater words n't made cowards happy rhodes
mich lin se \( thomas \) subject gui builders vms organization , linkoping , sweden lines 28 article 352 trident datasys swri edu mark trident datasys swri edu \( mark collier \) writes looking gui builders uims 's run vms openvms environment interested motif tools gui independent tools xvt client also requires tool production least 6 months vms environment note list tools faq , info vms availability thanks take look teleuse , complete uims alsys \( formerly telesoft \) us , reach \( 619 \) 457 2700 alsys vms version teleuse v2 0 5 vms v5 5 higher , built using decwindows motif 1 0 \( based x11r4 motif v1 1 1 \) btw , vms port unix version made company , released november 1992 thomas ` ` dial 46 13 linkoping , , phone email thomas direct lin se l n k p n g w e e n fax ` ' ` '
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject happy birthday israel ! organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 18 article 1993apr27 011549 7010 thunder mcrcim mcgill edu hamid reza mohammadi daniali writes hamid anybody information number people hamid killed israel 44 happy year \? anybody know many jews , arabs , christians others died terrorist attacks wars 45 years due arab rhetoric \? number probably close 100 , 000 least lives wasted arabs accept partition plan 1947 tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp receive e mail , please let employer may know soon possible , possible opinions , ! two percent zero almost nothing
mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu subject atlanta organization post office , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 9 nntp posting host po2 andrew cmu edu ok know look pretty desperate bboard think posted 3 4 messages already issue nhl last weeks , hey pretty desperate interested multiple screens watch game one silent screens hockey oriented bars area patrick division adams division fan satellite dish \? n't mind paying admission fee , necessary
eliot lanmola engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject lexus infiniti organization skulls 'r us lines 18 nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu article 1993apr23 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first , correct spelling nissan 's luxury automobile division infiniti infinity cares typos meaningless , synthetic names \? cars named person , e g honda , 'd respectful lexus gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc300 v6 wrong ! gs300 sc300 use straight , es300 uses v6 giant like toyota afford v6 inline 6 lineup , wo n't last long eliot
unix amherst edu \( kim hong cheng \) subject gateway 2000 telepath fax modem sale nntp posting host amhux3 amherst edu organization amherst college x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl7 lines 13 gateway 2000 fax modem send receive fax 9600 baud send receive 57 , 000 baud never used comes software crosstalk winfax new 195 gateway \( sold gateway customer \) fit bus asking 180 obo
spiegel msd lmsc lockheed com \( mark spiegel \) subject 1993 nhl draft organization personal opinions inc lines 39 article 1993apr20 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca \( shawn luddington \) writes article 93109 maine maine edu jon carr io91748 maine maine edu writes draft year \? coverage \? know nfl draft espn anyone got details \? paul kariya 1993 1 pick ! \( 2 perhaps \? wo n't last long ! \) \) n't know exact coverage states canada covered tsn , maybe espn grab coverage ! n't know ! picks ottawa picks 1 means almost 100 alexander daigle go 1 'll either stay traded montreal quebec imo would take kariya alot leadership ncaa far world championships daigle n't show junior team san jose get kariya tampa bay either go russian kozlov \( think 's \) defenseman rob \( probably last name wrong \) sharks appear leaning toward picking rob niedermayer , center \( brother scott \( \? \) defenseman picked nj couple years ago \) brought physical week ago read niedermayer best skater draft , plays offense defense , n't afraid physical play defensively sharks looking pretty good terms defense prospects \( , , \) , centers \( kisio et al \) getting old small players sharks can't see picking yet another small player like kariya , 'd get bashed get separated shoulder mark
backon vms huji ac il subject net address distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines 32 article 1993apr24 mintaka lcs mit edu , elg silver lcs mit edu \( elizabeth glaser \) writes looking email address world health organization , particular address department nursing chief scientist nursing dr miriam snail mail address following world health organization 20 avenue 1211 geneva 27 switzerland domain address ch try sending email postmaster ch josh backon vms huji ac il please respond directly thank assistance elg elizabeth glaser , rn elg silver lcs mit edu
ritterbus001 wcsub ctstateu edu subject ir remote control receiver lines 37 nntp posting host wcsub ctstateu edu organization yale university , department computer science , new , ct article wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu , wb9omc dynamo ecn purdue edu \( duane p mantick \) writes freenet carleton ca \( marc dion \) writes project , would like build infra red remote control receiver \( regular vcrs tvs remotes \) anybody info tips build receiver \? particular , \) photo detector use \( wavelength remotes use \) \? b \) ics circuit use \? c \) suggestions circuit layout another suggestion find brand tv uses ir remote , go look sams often find detailed schematics parts list receiver transmitter well , including carrier freq specs tone decoding specs system uses probably wo n't help 'd willing bet every manufacturer used little self contained modules think sharp made radio shack used sell bucks \( maybe still \) module 3 leads power , ground output contained photo detector , amplifier , demodulator tiny metal want buy one , try radio shack , else tv repair shop probably order one btw carrier frequency 40 khz , different tv vcr cable box stereo manufacturer uses unique pulse scheme perform different function equipment jim ritterbus001 ctstateu edu net \( temp , rf \) art , guide says , rather knack flying knack lies learning throw ground miss
abdkw stdvax gsfc nasa gov \( david ward \) subject command loss timer \( galileo update 04 22 93 \) news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 keywords galileo , jpl organization goddard space flight center robotics lab lines 18 article 1993apr26 1189 bnr ca , jcobban bnr ca \( jim cobban \) writes read past fail safe mechanisms spacecraft , assumed command loss timer sort function however always find disturbing oxymoron op command something command changes behavior status spacecraft op command know semantics , op n't anything command loss timer simply looking command , command op simply spacecraft command drops bits big bit bucket sky op also get used provide delays command sequences \( used thruster gro , er , compton \) verify command links beginning events , rather useful command , intelligent fdc test galileo \( command loss timer \) david w gsfc \( still looking gro data , even though i'm wrong david \)
coos dartmouth edu \( prakash das \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 20 article 1993apr26 jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) writes get tired people saying 'do n't eat x 's bad ! ' well , x may bad everyone even , \? give people information n't ram decisions throats evident read post carefully n't trying tell eat msg products produce , arguing msg simply questioning logic statement simply \( \) one allergic something , \( b \) likes eating follows one could keep eating whatever post , clearly said n't know enough msg statement n't eat x bad interpretation nutritional info prakash das
ry01 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert yung \) subject v fast 's taking long \? \? \? \? organization lehigh university lines 11 going take year v fast become standard \? technical problems work , bureaucratic slowdown \? thanks ! loose sprockets mind hamsters natural habitat anymore \( ie wild hamsters \) \? world consists plastic gym call home call hell \? funny like watch others sweat butts take root sofa i'm n't think hamsters sweat 'll go shave one get back \( robert \) bobby yung ry01 lehigh edu
lmarsha cms cc wayne edu \( laurie marshall \) subject red wings organization wayne state university , detroit mi u lines 14 nntp posting host cms cc wayne edu article 1993apr21 wuecl wustl edu cec2 wustl edu \( michael sy \) writes n't forget paul ysebaert , ex devil 's good team player dino ciccarelli ray sheppard \) laurie marshall wayne state university detroit , michigan go wings ! ! ! !
pngai adobe com \( phil ngai \) subject looking x windows pc keywords ibm pc , x windows , windows organization adobe systems incorporated lines 8 article 1993may12 qdeck com support qdeck com \( technical support \) writes may humbly suggest desqview x \? \( course , i'm biased \) weird , oddball , one kind video card 's orchid fahrenheit get run 640x480 dvx least n't worry straining eyes super vga stuff
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject des code shipped canada \? article netcom organization dsi uscrpac lines 16 article 1993apr22 fripp ri cadre com rj ri cadre com writes someone canada asked send public domain des file encryption code legal send \? believe illegal send cryptographic code country without export license \( others correct inaccurate \) dunno 'd get one particular code way find apply license note need distinguish legal send canada license , legal send n't david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
clarke acme ucf edu \( thomas clarke \) subject build neural networks \? organization university central florida lines 15 article physics sunysb edu mmoss ic sunysb edu \( matthew moss \) writes subject says , though specify i'm looking solutions require purchasing specific chips , etc first find congenial member opposite sex thomas clarke institute simulation training , university central fl research parkway , suite 300 , orlando , fl \( 407 \) 658 , fax \( 407 \) 658 , clarke acme ucf edu could n't resist \)
gt2617c prism gatech edu \( brad smalling \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization georgia institute technology lines 30 article 1993may1 wam umd edu rsrodger wam umd edu \( yamanari \) writes article uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu \( brett ferrell \) writes article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu \( larry ludes ludwig \) writes able adress memory better dos , sure mean os 2 sees 16 megs , uses 5 six 's use \( want count winos 2 \) windows sees 16 megs , uses 3 4 \( like 5 count disk cache os 2 \) memory efficiency big issue , pc geos would current king intel desktop assumed referring os 2 's 32 bit flat model addressing dos \( therefore windows \) use 20 bit segmented addressing programmer , agree segmentation unnecessarily things 's annoying , windows user , n't think much , doubt many people think \( even care \) writing document , spreadsheet , etc works get work done neutral comment 's funny , think , arguments windows vs os 2 sound similar arguments atheism vs christianity something like 's somehow personal people convictions irrational 's nothing wrong 's interesting brad smalling jr ee ga tech atlanta , ga gt2617c prism gatech edu
christian robert ch subject conflict controller card organization university , switzerland lines 12 upgraded old 386 486dx 50 local bus motherboard two month ago bought controller card local bus card diamond stealth vlb try put new card new controller together system want boot stop controller card checking try change ami bios setup nothing works one thing disable rom bios adress controller card system one step checking system cache memory nothing thanks answer
rupin dang dartmouth edu \( rupin dang \) subject powerbook forsale organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 10 posting brother , please reply account forward messages powerbook excellent shape , five months old , purchased abroad \( n't seen \) details , send e mail asking price best offer conditions immediate sale ,
patel enuxha eas asu edu \( patel \) subject parametric variational design keywords parametric variational design organization arizona state university lines 16 hi everyone , looking papers books source information parametric variational design cad solid modeling references would greatly thanks advance patel enuxha eas asu edu \( ip 129 219 30 6 \)
richs microsoft com \( rick schaut \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corporation reply richs microsoft com \( rick schaut \) distribution usa lines 13 article news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu \( kurt bollacker \) writes agree one ever definitively met challenge batted around semantics oh well , guess things turn expected hmmm gave two examples matched objective criteria , response subjective claptrap never counter fact examples fit objective criteria one wonders 's playing semantic games , rick schaut uucp uunet uw beaver ! microsoft ! richs microsoft n't speak , n't speak microsoft
cobra chopin udel edu \( king cobra \) subject espn nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware lines 26 article randolin 3 polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu \( robert andolina \) writes thing confuses espn decided show penguins devils thursday night first two games dominated pitt , would think would show different game addition fact show games sake fair exposure also , know \( far tell \) espn going show campbell conference games regularly first two rounds believe going show campbell games first two rounds series wear \( games 6 7 , perhaps games 5 , 6 , 7 \) also , anyone info abc coverage sunday \( 4 25 \) \? espn advertise pens devils game 4 n't know hell trying , especially nfl draft well guess goes nhl ratings sundays game robert andolina randolin polisci umn edu
walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 28 article murdoch acc virginia edu , gsh7w fermi clas virginia edu \( greg hennessy \) article optilink com walsh optilink com \( mark walsh \) writes big difference running one 's business affairs , actively ripping people charging homosexuals becuase people think aids gay disease actively ripping people really \? thought insurance companies hired actuarial staffs determine risks correlated groups people , gays likely aids sexual orientations wrong correlation , please correct auto insurance company charges young male high performance car always thought based statistical data , rather bigotry hatred young men fast cars course , proper government intervention , could force insurance companies pretend young men fast cars everyone else mark walsh \( walsh optilink \) uucp uunet ! optilink ! walsh amateur radio km6xu wx3k aol bigcookie aol com uscf l10861 , worry \? william gaines , 1922 1992 i'm gonna crush ! andre giant , 1946 1993
irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \( brent irvine \) subject atf burns dividian ranch update organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 22 article 1993apr22 ucc okstate edu kennejs cs okstate edu \( kennedy james scot \) writes article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu \( nathan engle \) writes 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes ah yes , see liberal weenies come woodwork defend burning children yeah , nazis know liberals love nazis cigarette cops nazis said nazism dead \? got bunch right good 'ol us n't might zealous , maybe bureau n't exist people , nazis people toss around nazi label easily \? personal opinions \? , brent irvine yes think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu \?
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject many moslems killed , horrible tortures reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 25 source adventures near east rawlinson , jonathan cape , 30 bedford square , london , 1934 \( first published 1923 \) \( 287 pages \) \( memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide 2 5 million muslim people \) p 178 \( first paragraph \) moslem villages plain searched arms armenians everything taken cloak search , many moslems killed , horrible tortures inflicted endeavour obtain information valuables hidden , armenians aware existence , although unable find serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
maridai comm mot com \( marida ignacio \) subject bernadette dates organization trunking fixed lines 52 jek cu nih gov writes joe moore writes mary time appeared girl named bernadette lourdes referred immaculate conception since nine year old would way knowing doctrine , apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine bernadette 14 years old visions , 1858 , four years dogma officially proclaimed pope , james kiefer forgot exactly age remember clearly born family poverty education , whatsoever , age apparitions suffered asthma age family living prison cell sort ask several times apparitions name since confessor priest asked several instances , priest get answer since bernadette receive one time , several apparitions passed , lady finally said , immaculate conception , bernadette , happy repeated words mind forget told priest asking , told priest , priest shocked asked bernadette , know talking \? bernadette know exactly meant happy answer priest priest continued , remember know \? bernadette answered honestly repeat mind way priest priest knew dogma four years old bernadette know yet answer priest finally observed took proof authentic personal revelation lady bernadette \( note lady lourdes shrine spring water lady requested bernadette dig bare hands front pilgrims start little water flowed several years water flowing \) marida spreading god 's words actions mother teresa
erich triumf ca \( rod \) subject multiple inputs pc organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 24 distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf ca news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article uicvm uic edu , u19250 uicvm uic edu writes anyone offer suggestion problem \? several boards whose sole purpose decode dtmf tones send resultant ascii pc boards run serial interface need run boards simultaneously need able ho ok pc problem , hook 8 serial devices one pc , send data \( close \) \? help would greatly appreciated ! singla modify design dtmf decoder , ideal would multi drop system , like rs 485 rs 485 boards available pc 's , probably cheaper bunch rs 232 channels , rs 485 cheaper build onto satellite modules , using single supply 8 pin dip driver chip software pc end would similarly complex either rs 232 rs 485 , opinion higher data rates possible rs 485 would permit quasi simultaneous data transmission hope helps rod , programmer bitnet triumf university british columbia , internet erich triumf ca vancouver , bc , canada phone \( 604 \) 222 1047 ext 510
davew cs umd edu \( david g wonnacott \) subject info opinions wanted cars article summary thoughts civic , corolla , 626 distribution na organization u maryland , dept computer science , coll pk , md 20742 lines 80 article ns1 nodak edu bell plains nodak edu \( robert bell \) writes article 1993apr13 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu \( john f nielsen \) writes article fibercom com rrg rtp fibercom com \( rhonda gaines \) writes i'm market new car currently '90 mazda mx 6 dx served fine however , 'd like get 4 door car since n't thought moving around 2 door car criteria 4 door , c , fm cassette , quick acceleration , cruise control , decent rear seat \( husband 6 \) must also 20k preferably closer 11 15k range \( probably rule accord \) '93 cars caught eye toyota corolla , camry , mazda 626 , pontiac grand , pontiac grand prix , honda accord , \( civic 's roomy enough still comes 4 door model \) , hyundai sonata , maybe even small oldsmobile , although opinions , benchmarks , recommendations , etc welcome civic still come 4 door model wife looked quite seriously 626 , prizm \( corolla \) , civic , well cars impressions three seemed well built features wanted similar features want except cruise control , want manual transmission considering anti lock brakes also hate automatic seatbelts think airbag plus general , comfort performance significant specific 's 's listed mazda 626 comfortable roomy theoretically get abs dx model , though practice hard find base price base model includes numerous little things like tach , variable speed wipers , rear defroster , 60 40 split folding rear seat expensive many cars listed honda civic dx gets significantly better mileage cars listed comfortable front seat adjustable seat belt mounting abs without ex model \( includes 1000 's things like sunroof \) geo prizm toyota corolla seats comfortable us \( mileage may vary \) adjustable seat belt mounting get abs without lots extras saturn sl2 quite comfortable , though sl1 less attack belts dodge spirit real outstanding 's , seemed generally ok rear seat fold chevy comes abs standard lower would buy car safety ratings consumer reports \( first 3 cars \) suspension n't feel stiff others \( would \) honda accord toyota camry expensive 626 , minds , significantly better probably gave disproportionately low consideration big 3 , due \( \) wife 's family 's general dislike chrysler products , \( b \) gm products owned parents mine \( c \) taurus comes automatic transmission , find seat tempo uncomfortable , escort attack belts air bag 'll probably end 626 saw 626 dx c cassette advertised \( washington post , april 14 , think \) , local dealer says match price probably get 626 \( maybe tomorrow \) main question mind whether factory order preference order get one abs , whether dealership run price lot
ns1 cc lehigh edu \( charles edward james \) subject john wetteland , derek lilliquist , info please organization lehigh university lines 21 wondering anyone knew john wetteland put dl first 15 day period \? read usa today sports section surgery repair broken toe , wondering new thought letting heal today 's usa today \( 4 23 \) john wetteland come dl tonight possibly pitch series weekend \( forget play \) another question , derek lilliquist main closer indians gone need know cause need find reliever replace wetteland far lilliquist ok information either players would greatly appreciated thank time derek lilliquist probably going main closer , kind bullpen committee also charles james n't care 're going , lehigh university ai n't lost lehigh edu anonymous person csc 252
physics ubc ca \( bill scott \) subject trivia question organization university british columbia lines 27 distribution world nntp posting host physics ubc ca caj sei cmu edu \( carol jarosz \) writes watching penguins devils game last night , saw slash barrasso took neck brought mind goaltender jugular vein cut skate think sabre , i'm positive anyone remember know name \? happened since \? player whose skate cut goalie \? name \? info \? ever happened hockey game \? thanks , carol go pens ! remember reading article reader 's digest many moons ago similar incident minor game player neck cut opponent back checking tripped flew case victim 's mask proved since face protected n't bother usually instinctive reaction protect face neck quick thinking coach saved life applying direct pressure using snow contract blood vessels \( remember \) bill scott \( physics ubc ca \) go jets go
uccs edu \( kevin \) subject looking polygon organization university colorado colorado springs lines 8 distribution world nntp posting host uccs edu anyone know find code would take concave polygons break set convex polygons \? thanks , kevin uccs edu
salem pangea stanford edu \( bruce salem \) subject science theories organization stanford univ earth sciences lines 42 nntp posting host pangea stanford edu article news cso uiuc edu cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes per various threads science creationism , 've started book called christianity nature science jp n't know book , use question come one comments stated god necessarily religious term , could used scientific terms give explanation events theories , without proven scientific fact depends defines god way understand meaning term used useful way science ideas drawn understanding god supernatural precludes us forming scientific assertions falsified , , decide true false within terms use useful observations drawn interest definitions within science make , especially basic way , religious dogma pursuit always fails think got point quote section i'm vague examples gave quarks continental plates explanations science parts theories measurable , everything quantified , measured , tested , etc \? reconciliation science religion involves circumventing claim either pursuit gain absolute certian knowledge , domain truth limited way element uncertainty limitations human knowledge allowing different concerns separate science religion ask different questions imperfect provisional answers , best science distinctly limited ask meaningful questions questions posed answer basis sacred language place words fail us mere assertions contradiction bruce salem
quip eecs umich edu \( dennis j holt \) subject honda clutch chatter organization university michigan eecs dept , ann arbor lines 31 article 1993apr22 bnr ca dwjz bnr ca \( doug zolmer \) writes article hpindda cup hp com , jimb hpindda cup hp com \( james bruder \) writes anyone else experiencing similar problem \? concerns clutch 92 honda accord 5 speed clutch first used morning , first 4 miles shifting , significant amount clutch chatter things warm clutch shifts smoothly chatter started moved san francisco bay area low humidity environment dealer stated known happen since honda changed asbestos non asbestos clutch material remedy ! ! seems moisture clutch surface causes slipping moisture evaporates comments \? clutch '92 honda civic ex v \( ex u \) 's annoying think , worse humidity high dealer also claims 's nothing since clutch self adjusting hydraulic design yeah , right one reasons sold '92 civic vx clutch although di n't notice worse weather , perhaps always around told honda changing asbestos non asbestos linings , began around 1990 someone could make good money selling old fashion variety 's legal manufacture days feeling since many car makers problem , 's poor design engineering problem part honda three things look honda products clutch chatter , bad brake rotors , rusty exhaust systems
rind enterprise bih harvard edu \( david rind \) subject candida \( yeast \) bloom , fact fiction organization beth israel hospital , harvard medical school , boston mass , usa lines 37 nntp posting host enterprise bih harvard edu article 1993apr26 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes different class big question seems reasonable use patients gi distress sinus problems could due candida blooms following use broad spectrum antibiotics \? guess i'm still clear term candida bloom means , certainly well known thrush \( superficial candidal infections mucous membranes \) occur antibiotic use nothing systemic yeast syndrome , quack diagnosis discussed found sinus mucus membranes candida women known long time suffer candida blooms vagina women lucky find physician willing treat cause give give advise use otc anti fungal creams lucky \? since recent article \( randomized controlled trial \) oral yogurt reducing vaginal candidiasis , 've mentioned number patients frequent vaginal yeast infections could try eating 6 ounces yogurt daily turns would rather use anti fungal creams get yeast infections yogurt dangerous \) standard part medical practice , gordon r says , incidence gi distress vaginal yeast infections decline , n't systemic yeast syndrome , nothing quack therapies discussed evidence attempts gi tract bacteria antibiotic therapy n't seem helpful reducing diarrhea , n't think anyone would view quack therapy david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu
beta lanl gov \( david \) subject info motherboard warehouse \? organization los alamos national laboratory distribution na lines 9 anyone share experiences , good bad , tempe vendor named motherboard warehouse \? i'm considering purchasing one 486dx2 66 boards one selling points 10 day full money back guarantee thanks advance , dave beta lanl gov
jennifer arts com \( jennifer witt \) subject space camp organization computer arts , portland oregon , usa lines 18 i'm replying someone asked information space camp brochure different schedules age , level program want know schedule \? missions 5 8 days long address huntsville alabama space science exhibit commission u space rocket center one tranquility base , huntsville , al jennifer , mean \? \?
pitt edu \( william b \) subject intel 's pci standard \? \? \? organization university pittsburgh lines 7 vamilliron yes , intel 's pci \( another \) local bus standard , used graphics , although believe local buses used things , far know , though , pci local bus would compete vesa local bus , vesa graphics standard , others enlightened might able shed light matter
benali alcor concordia ca \( ilyess b bdira \) subject saudia cannot even control upi despite buying \) nntp posting host alcor concordia ca organization concordia university , montreal , canada lines 69 clarinews clarinet com \( upi \) writes update , omit lines , add overhead sake copyright \) say despite bad news muslims around world , things shaping well , lot killings might happen near future , though \( bosnia lot \) right , feel like saying martillo said stage set n't think things ten year , pessimistic realistic side , see stage set wars imposed people , governments remote controlled fight oppress people , confident fall venture list order sudan yemen alliance , algeria libya 5 years , tunisia one year later egypt may face direct colonization soon prevent islamic government might take egypt attacks sudan atrocities fails achieve victory meanwhile saudia faces civil war goes war yemen sudan , new north african alliance \( algeria libya \) goes war attacks u france involved everywhere cannot concentrate one place , especially syria jordan iraq kept control cloud clears , know end result , k back reality cairo , egypt \( upi \) cairo based arab organization human rights \( aohr \) sunday called king saudi arabia order release members kingdom 's first human rights group among group wants released mohamed ben abdullah al masaari , spokesman committee defense legitimate rights \( cdlr \) al masaari arrested dawn saturday residence riyadh 's king faisal university , worked physics professor , human rights media sources reported media reports said saudi security forces also seized publications , books , correspondence documents papers al masaari 's residence reportedly taken unknown destination london based liberty human rights group claimed five members together al formed cdlr may 3 , summoned police questioning might detained well thursday , saudi government ordered firing six activists established group urging people kingdom grievances report cdlr four activists sacked positions two state run saudi universities two government departments , two lawyers , including al masaari 's father , law offices closed , aohr said lawyer , al , described aohr first ever practice law kingdom aohr also claimed 400 people might arrested around country connection cdlr apparently people either responded group 's call reports grievances others closely linked founders saudi authorities reported also angered reports al masaari others met u diplomats based riyadh kingdom 's highest religious authority , higher council ulema \( muslim scholars \) , wednesday condemned creation rights group illegal unnecessary warned called establishment cdlr could aohr , whose 1992 report listed human rights violations saudi arabia , criticized ulema 's position argued kingdom 's islamic laws courts preclude creation human rights groups
subject apology article grabiner math harvard edu \( david grabiner \) organization etc organization nntp posting host germain harvard edu reply stevet eskimo com 's message 22 apr 93 16 18 58 gmt lines 51 article eskimo com , steven thornton writes article 1993apr21 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes watch mattingly average fielder start , yes , proof really two adequate ways measure fielding prowess first , advantage applicable older players , since uses raw data available almost mlb history , total chances per game method favored total baseball people among others basically says measure fielder many balls gets subject kinds bias , almost completely useless first basemen raw stats , way tell first baseman 's putouts made throws fielders , made plays likewise , ca n't tell whether double play 6 4 3 3 6 3 fielding runs thus gives first baseman credit putouts double plays , assists errors thus favors first basemen play deep , reaching lot balls forcing pitcher cover first frequently also hurts first baseman play behind left handed pitching staffs thus face left handed batters better method , newer based collected last years , measures percentage balls hit part field guy responsible better course , still n't first baseman 's defense references mattingly 's 1992 defensive rating , stats method , mike 's baseball player team ratings 1 defensive average , uses larger \( probably better \) zones , mattingly tied second league hand , contributed 233 runs batting actions , pretty healthy number 233 batting runs good , mostly past runs produced 1986 n't say much value 1993 david grabiner , grabiner zariski harvard edu sorry , number dialed imaginary please rotate phone 90 degrees try disclaimer speak one one speaks
tfv0 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( theodore f \) subject space marketing would wonderfull organization lehigh university lines 37 article ucdavis edu , ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) writes deleted also abomination somebody would spend money space advertising children starving \? perhaps redistribution wealth would help dan flame \( really \) , thats abominable viewpoint \( subject abominations \) followed wealth \( way , ist democrats trying \) , everyone would starve short order organize fair distribution depends every \( wo \) man 's altruism \( say black market anyone \? \) , current methods resource production entirely energy dependant enough sources cheap capital \( aside human capital \) allow us stop looking space excellent source materials directly , perhaps consider fact billions spent tv companies , sponsors , \( abc , nbc , cbs \) superbowl , olympics , even monday night baseball games perhaps boycott games \? dc x company get finished , market , abominable space probably much cost effective companies , starving children people buy products , company hires workers , end result fewer children die starvation polar caps tfv0 lehigh edu student konsultant making world safe computing ! never owed little many r folk one must confuse john dunne 's famous quote man new york telephone 's 're dad
adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com subject doctrine original sin reply adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc com organization gte govt systems , electronics def div lines 24 article may 9 05 40 15 1993 athos rutgers edu , eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) writes 4 \) nothing unclean shall enter heaven \( rev 21 27 \) therefore , babies born state die , god put hell , exactly doctrine st augustine st thomas n't read entire thread , , someone n't tossed yet , 2 samuel 12 21 23 \( rsv \) servants said , thing done \? wept child alive child died , arose ate food ' david said , child still alive , wept said , knows whether lord gracious , child may live \? ' dead fast \? bring back \? shall go , return ' anyhow , many interpret mean child gone heaven \( david someday go \) n't claim know sure applies babies even 's one , would say \? jeff adams
news weeg uiowa edu \( john carey \) subject med school organization university iowa , iowa city , ia , usa lines 27 actually entering vet school next year , question relevant med students large amounts never strong point academically since major portion medical education anatomy , histology , pathology , , part mass memorization little concerned sure med students anyone suggest techniques type memorization \? reasonable success memory tricks like thinking little stories associate unrelated things never applied large amounts data anyone luck particular books , memory systems , cheap software \? suggest helpful organizational techniques \? older student returned school year , organization \( another one weak points \) major help success please learn material conceptually problem , one strong points ca n't get around fact much medicine memorization thanks help
ray unisql uucp \( ray shea \) subject back breaker , near hit ! ! organization unisql , inc , austin , texas , usa lines 34 article 1r941o 3tu menudo uh edu inde7wv rosie uh edu writes understand theoretically stop far behind car really actuality avoid incident \? suggestions \? looking mirror , would seen guy coming heard screeching tires 're stopped light 1 \) stop 're got space front , quick easy escape route \( lanes , , driveway , somewhere \) someone decides want plow 2 \) keep bike first clutch least couple cars stopped behind , n't waste second n't trying get gear need move 3 \) watch mirrors situation , hazards trying avoid coming behind \( msf geek speak \) n't 're moving 're less likely panic stall bike 've got time prepare guy 's tires lock behind \( still get scared , 's feeling quickly rising dread sudden jolt \) ray shea unisql , inc unisql ! ray cs utexas edu dod 0372 team twinkie '88 hawk gt
cbnewsl cb att com \( kevin l stell \) subject squids dealers organization distribution na lines 47 yesterday , friend asked accompany local motorcycle dealer since last rode \( 10 years \) , never bought new bike dealer follows experience visit observation behavior customers sales personel background ride group friends , mainly cruiser type bikes friend hell bent getting intruder seen used ones wanted see new ones going , happened upon dealer sold suzuki yamaha place fairly busy , bit happened upon intruders , sold signs friend bitten well appeared friend started chewing fat , outside next thing know , see 3 4 sport bikes pull could stereo type type riders \( backward ball hat , oakley , iq 40 \) , wo n't well went inside , n't think much figured went back see firmly implanted friends back , noticed hormone gang talking salesdroids managers lot 's laughter , jokes etc big deal part concerned hg shop personel busy customers went back , said hg members fired rides obligatory 600 beasts point , one decided see much rubber katana 600 could deposit drive squids , thought appalled salesdroids manager condoned behavior , , point betting long could keep pull rode onto busy street around rush hour girl riding pillion another bike , seemed rather hormonal display , urged pilot quickly catch others followed , making sure could heard well felt felt embarassed point motorcyclist felt eyes cages , witnessing display , glancing dealers lot two wheels needless say , friend felt little uncomfortable left turn frustration go ride peacefully , clear anger hope cop following home , open mind n't associate btw , ca n't afford new bike
ccu umanitoba ca \( charles carlson \) subject 's needed cd rom mac \? nntp posting host cc umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 17 system 7 x support scsi cd rom drives \? specific drivers needed different make model \? specifically , i'm looking getting nec cdr 25 , mainly cheap know slow drive , multimedia n't interest mainly want extracting software distributed cd need get specific driver use drive mac \? thanks charles charles carlson ccu umanitoba ca warning article contains flammable material may ignite without prior notice read protective
drg biomath mda uth tmc edu \( david gutierrez \) subject lc ii slowdowns \? organization univ texas anderson cancer center lines 20 distribution world nntp posting host ratatosk mda uth tmc edu article tfsquad mn org douce tfsquad mn org \( andrew geweke \) writes currently managing , among many labs , lab three lc iis , mac plus 45 mb external hd , laserwriter ii ntx problem \? lc iis seem intermittently slow snail 's pace happens intermittently macs department , ranging iisi 's quadra 950 end slowdown immediately unplugging ethernet cable mac seems something network puts packet storms every days storms effect making macs slow crawl david gutierrez drg biomath mda uth tmc edu fools positive moe howard
pochanay cae wisc edu \( adisak pochanayon \) subject printer sale organization college engineering , univ wisconsin madison lines 41 sale 24 pin printer alps allegra 24 asking price 150 shipped prepaid \( c orders pay c shipping \) features straight paper path \( wo n't jam \) paper saving tear capability \( need waste sheet get current printout \) programmable preferences \( n't even need computer \) letter quality output epson emulation built card slot additional memory font upgrades printer ribbons easily found \( three four sources alps ribbons every computer shopper \) fast 180 cps output printer even used last two years \( three years old \) laser printer work use instead originally 399 'll even throw two ribbons \( may need simple tho \) adisak pochanayon university avenue apartment j madison , wi \( 608 \) 238 cut jeez ! ! ! never fails , get tub 's rub lamp ! genie pochanay cae wisc edu eddie \( adisak \) pochanayon check software 's releases amiga entertainment cut
kaldis romulus rutgers edu \( theodore kaldis \) subject median \? \? \? new study gay percentage organization rutgers univ , new brunswick , n j lines 17 article darkstar ucsc edu stephen orchid ucsc edu writes santa rosa \( cal \) press democrat , april 15 , 1993 , p b2 male sex survey gay activity low note contradictory title gay activity low vocabulary test please define following words \) contradictory b \) ambiguous views expressed herein theodore kaldis seriously kaldis remus rutgers edu believe major university ! rutgers ! remus rutgers edu ! kaldis would hold views \? \? \?
ohayon jcpltyo jcpl co jp \( tsiel ohayon \) subject rejoinder questions israelis organization james capel pacific limited , tokyo japan lines 40 article yuma acns colostate edu bh437292 lance colostate edu writes bh tsiel , bh would contend shelling sides border , bh starting early 70 's certainly plo shell northern bh israel region , israel much shelling bh destroying several south lebanese villages least bh say sides exchanged shelling , occasional bh aerial raids israel lebanese villages bh case steve 's characterization 1982 invasion bh response years shelling lebanon false israel bh many reasons invading mainly install government bh lebanon favorable israel , nearly achieved aim bh election el gemayel , brother , amin bh el gemayel , internal situation lebanon hard bh control predict israel withdraw , amin el gemayel bh 17 th may agreement basil , correcting steve 's statement shelling israel golan , absurd fact israel much shelling response palestinian shelling lebanon israel intention keeping inch lebanese territory israel continue fight , plo , etc long northern border quiet lebanese army control elements think see genuine peace israel lebanese border remind couple thousand lebanese cross day israel work election gemayel , true favorable israel , syrians killed \? brother amin syrian puppet , , would dead tsiel 8 8 tsiel ohayon jcpl co jp receive e mail , please let employer may know soon possible , possible opinions , ! two percent zero almost nothing
rued daimi aau dk \( thomas rued j \) subject sci files sco files organization daimi computer science department , aarhus university , denmark lines 7 hello ! week ago guy asked sco file well researched bit another rix file sci files 320x200 files sco files 1024x768 files ! alle formats \( 800x600 , 640x480 \) also called something like sc \( character \) regards rued
alung megatest com \( aaron lung \) subject get rid flyback whine \? organization megatest corporation lines 36 article 1993apr26 princeton edu shade princeton edu \( john scott jr \) writes recently took apart color sony tv clean volume pushbuttons put beast back together , flyback whine got much louder easy fix \? part resonating \? heard rumors spray fix noise simple thing tv repairman fix \? thanks , scott ah ha ! i'm alone last ! sony \? \? 27 \( pre series , circa 1987 \) damn thing used make noise like mad man 2 separate problems one flyback , assembly windings yoke came together first found poking around windings assembly , thing would make noise guess enough potential assembly leak , sprayed insulation spray think fixed second flyback life , ca n't isolate one leave cover , tv quiet put cover back , let heat , 'll start whine kinda hard solve cover ! ! \( friend mine used fix tv 's says might pin hole leak somewhere flyback usually 's surrounded bunch black dust dirt hope start find something , let know ! aaron
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject satellite around pluto mission \? organization texas instruments inc lines 24 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes wierd , warned plan put satellite around planet solar system keep watch \? help better ask questions spout opinion mission \( unmanned \) pluto stay orbit record things around near pluto know strange idea , \? \? could scanning pluto , also solar system , objects near , well seti looking galaxy without much solar system worry anything like reasonable time would require propulsion capability manage would boost pluto slow back could something like orbit , think would take ridiculous amounts time \( rubber bible home \) insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
subject message mr president know happened \? medkeffjs hirama hiram edu \( jeff medkeff \) organization hiram college nntp posting host hirama hiram edu lines 43 keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) writes royc rbdc wsnc org \( roy crabtree \) writes article keng tunfaire keng den mmc com \( ken garrido \) writes lotsa stuff taken bottom line due process served peaceful attempt serve warrant occurred peaceful attempt serve warrant met gunfire due process served branch davidians wanted way think exactly known flower child pacifist , lets call peaceful attempt serve warrant consisted following actions , order 1 \) batf agents forcing entry compound second story windows 2 \) batf agents loosing grenades \( allegedly stun flash grenades \) promptly detonated , according tapes seen , b started shooting back exactly someone breaking private property tossing grenades around considered peaceful anyone \? think \( say still hold previous entirely correct notions worn arms used assaulting building \) jeffrey medkeff bitnet medkeffjs hiramb po box 1098 internet medkeffjs hiramb hiram edu hiram , oh pale thought wrong fight u roaring bill \( killed \) thought right
joe rider cactus org \( joe senner \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list reply joe rider cactus org distribution world organization lines 27 rbp netcom com \( bob pasker \) writes would shame split boxer riders different lists unless , course , existing list failed meet readers' needs nowhere see mention k bikes , , made bmw , welcome list fact , go way say boxer talk welcome list appears boxers 's great list bmw 's , without restrictions like considering subscription count went 29 within 18 hours initial post list \( made around 10 00pm went bed \) , 'd say need bmw list opposed gs boxer list motivation setting bmw list came earlier post announcing boxer list n't fit needs ok , 've pissed 's list let 's get back regular net noise read respective lists joe senner joe rider cactus org bmw mailing list bmw rider cactus org austin area ride mailing list ride rider cactus org
karr cs cornell edu \( david karr \) subject countersteering sans hands organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 17 article quantum qnx com dagibbs quantum qnx com \( david gibbs \) writes yes , even steering hands something quite similar countersteering basically turn left , quick wiggle bike right first , causing lean occur left sounds suspiciously like black magic quick wiggle right mean handlebars turn toward right turning left , input steering mechanism makes happen absence old shove shove \? david karr \( karr cs cornell edu \) '80 bmw r65 dod 0969 also bmwmoa , nra , aclu , et al
coulman cs usask ca \( randy coulman \) subject final regular season team goalie stats organization university saskatchewan lines 177 distribution world reply coulman cs usask ca nntp posting host skorpio usask ca would appreciate someone could volunteer verify shots goal save percentage numbers , put stats archive site contact mail want volunteer team goalie stats wed apr 21 09 09 38 cst 1993 stats include games including sunday previous date listed verified printed newspaper every tuesday n't print shots save percentage numbers , verified questions , comments suggestions , let know randy mp minutes played , ga goals , shutouts , gaa goals average w wins , l losses , ties sog shots goal , sv save percentage mp ga gaa w l sog sv tm player 177 7 2 59 41 18 11 1879 0 906 chi ed belfour 996 49 2 2 95 6 7 1 414 0 882 chi jim waite 5108 230 9 2 70 47 25 12 0 900 chi 479 18 2 2 25 6 2 0 232 0 922 tor daren puppa 116 2 2 50 25 15 7 1287 0 910 tor felix potvin 87 1 3 14 13 9 4 823 0 894 tor 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laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman cs usask ca saskatoon , sk s7n 0w0
mls panix com \( michael siemon \) subject commandments \( basics \) organization panix public access unix , nyc lines 205 anyone \( check let 's restrict christians , \) want find commandments books regarded scripture \? 's going \? pass answers \( whether open \) kind issue deal question theological point involved \? quoted often enough n't believe take seriously , jesus \( said \) said , love , obey commands john 14 15 , like christian , slave christ , wills \( also , instead \) younger brother , still direction , though call god christians , therefore , try find lord commands , discovering feel obligated , confess failure readers may set aside jargon \( slaves christ \) point adherents religion read texts \( whether classified inspired \) held models , effort find application situations practice ranges devotional reading sermons like exegesis canon scripture word god highest pitch , leads question whether find inspired scripture something act absolute guidance actions problem finding lord commands going set aside essay one major direction christians looked commands , namely christian tradition reject tradition , primary audience essay protestants , deny tradition value , favor witness scripture question want deal , commandments find lord scripture \? turns hard question protestant inquisitors would like turn discussion authority tradition , accomodate \) , unlike protestants , episcopalians admit claims \) scripture b \) reason c \) tradition roughly equal standing earlier john quote , read john 13 34 give new commandment love one another place nt christians given explicit commandment , context commenting imperative mode jesus meal readers infer , since john , synoptics jesus says , take bread body mark 14 22 , cf matthew 26 26 , luke 22 19 , 1 corinthians 11 24 mode imperative \( greek \) , hence , , commandment cases infer command directed wider circle immediate disciples judge evangelist 's point mentioning \( disciples mostly entirely dead \) expected follow commandment lord case communion , paul 's mention \( least probably true evangelists also \) implies ongoing ritual liturgy words operate bind christians original command disciples , continuing commandment christian community entirely comfortable inference , must point , us occasion jesus spoke command take clear inference , least notion , christians called love one another , jesus' command directed disciples call attention inference command cannot apply without generalization specific context statement context disciple christ reading scripture make inferences , get sense text whatsoever general problem reading texts cannot read without understanding native languages \( normally \) read \( translated \) texts , without appreciation original context \( points , original languages , english us \) going presume , follows , general problem read scripture control n't really think true , suffice current purposes address issues arise already understanding 2000 year old text another world one live questions level introduce commandments issue found read texts original audience might done among reasons seeing john 's agapate allelou general commandment \( merely instruction jesus disciples one occasion \) , one linking synoptic great commandment criticism , jesus , limiting love congenially associate matthew 5 read , learnt said 'you must love hate enemy say love enemies fact , leviticus context quoted say merely common human presumption \( leviticus pains say love extend strangers amongst people israel \) luke , expanding q context , goes jesus say even sinners love love 6 27 suggests quite strongly , 'd say \) limiting scope new commandment quite jesus mind short , inference leads generalizing actual text command force christians , objects limited christians trickier agapate allelou institution communion , case great commission \( matthew 10 , mark 6 \) twelve sent evangelize , proclaim kingdom heaven close hand verb imperative \( ke \) , context rather specific twelve , \( turn steps pagan territory , enter samaritan town parallels even specific jesus' final journey jerusalem \) make harder see generalizing christians previous examples n't prevented christians making inference call attention inference justified text , \( unlike first two cases cite \) rhetoric evangelist urged reader still , paul seems felt obliged proclaim kingdom heaven close hand even \( contrary jesus' instructions 12 \) \) gentiles , ends earth , christians also taken commandment sense john 14 15 accept \? n't know surely rather speculative see inference spread text pretext christians \( may \) infer general commandment , applicable , presented gospels specific occasion \( necessarily \) object kind generalization insist people make must understanding reasoning \( considerable length \) actually scripture assumptions involved reasoning , scriptural \( though people best justify assumptions references scripture simply adds inference mix ! \) let 's move great commandment love god whole hearts minds souls , perhaps , synoptic equivalent john 's agapate allelou yet , presented commandment , texts rather , context controversy pharisees cite matthew 22 pharisees heard sadducees got together , , one put question , master , greatest commandment law \? means obvious \( though accept \) jesus' answer meant commandment christians answering enemies mark 's account , 12 28 34 casts answer far positive light \( scribe version says \) far important holocaust \( need point word context animal sacrifice forget nazis \) sacrifice luke intermediate lawyer posing question jesus , gets good parable pains luke 10 25 37 contexts various one could forgiven drawing inferences \) account said obviously taken commandment binding christians though think entirely reasonable conclusion case jesus thinks point mental gears grind cycle get conclusion commanded , jesus contingent understanding point jesus' use torah \( quite different \) gospel accounts , application context us different contexts among synoptics curious noted luke get fixing command parable good samaritan may look analogous intent matthew , 7 12 gives golden rule meaning law prophets \( may also hear echo hillel saying , generation jesus \) make associations \( think entirely reasonable \) , inference texts explicitly support us rather , read texts kind inter relationship current literary theory calls discussion agapate allelou apply beyond community disciples , circle christian believers , applies , conclusion \( despite presentation saying explicitly \) commandment christians christians would disagree conclusions must point conclusions , depend rather elaborate chains reasoning simply present texts , contextual problem keeps coming , severely look sayings jesus universally taken christians commandments get really hard cases take divorce mark pretty clear , man wife another guilty adultery 10 11 , cf luke 16 18 except matthew escape clause except case fornication , 5 31 seems rather clear commandment \( whether take matthew 's reservation \) christians , day , take n't , least practice rather peculiar jesus explicit \( whereas says nothing things people teeth \) possible , commands christ clear , matthew disagree evangelists synoptic tradition \? i'm going continue examination , ever waters , enough start theme finding commandments scripture exercise inference inferences informed assumptions , , cultural biases , far , identified commandments generally accepted christians yet , already , difficulties start surface difficulties want discuss next essay topic divorce commandment already strikes difficulties see almost evidence people eager find commandments condemn , spend time writing nasty soc couples misc legal horrors divorce , demanding us law refuse allow , refuse unrepentant places churches say divorce n't enter consideration general definitely matter concern , even liberal church circles example , \( wildly \) liberal episcopalian priest , \( wildly \) liberal , recommended couple approached marry private secular ceremony judge , public ceremony celebrated need go agonizing examination officials would soon take role interpreting commands faced christians , church effectively created famous divorce ! michael l siemon say gods , sons mls panix com high , nevertheless shall die like men , fall mls ulysses att com like prince psalm 82 6 7
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cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu \( oriolefan uiuc \) subject geico distribution usa organization university illinois urbana lines 50 goldberg oasys dt navy mil \( mark goldberg \) writes rec autos , jmh hopper virginia edu \( jeffrey hoffmeister \) writes suggestion , stay , shop around stay away geico ! strongly agree jeff 's horror story many years back , switched geico state farm save relatively new sports car , covered liability , collision , comprehensive make car , new models came january , september like makes car purchased august year also much older wanted liability low behold , vandal slashed roof sports car put claim october still current model year car new top , installation 135 50 deductible gotten 85 go geico 's local office see car , unlike state farm sent adjusters shop place said , since car one year old , 'll top 50 , 'll get 35 claim also count accident , rate may increase hassle continued got letter geico , saying claim denied policy car n't cover learned records full coverage \( collision , etc \) old , liability new car ! ! ! ! mixed cars records fixed top carpet thread dropped claim still charged accident ! cancelled policy switched another company coup de came sent bill additional balance due difference collision comprehensive cost sports car ! ! ! returned bill unpaid , plus explicity directions perform cranial insertion ! ! ! ! n't heard since \) \) \) everyone 's entitled opinion \) goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination important knowledge albert einstein good convinced someone start boycott geico takers \? chintan amin university illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construction hard hat area
9130037 golum riv csu edu au \( chan yin mei \) subject help ! anything x originator 9130037 golum riv csu edu au organization charles sturt university riverina , wagga wagga , nsw , australia lines 24 thu apr 29 16 36 43 1993 date thu , 29 apr 1993 16 36 42 1000 \( gavin \) 9130037 status r hello , folks uni project wondering could supply specific info references info regarding 1 \) considerations installation xwindows hp 9000 \( unknown model \) 2 \) motif , openlook , \? \? \? \? 3 \) x11 , 4 \) glossary term x considering software project deals image analysis info would greatly appreciated please email 9130037 golum riv csu edu au
scott asd com \( scott barman \) subject organization american software development corp , west babylon , ny lines 37 article netcom com mss netcom com \( mark singer \) writes disappeared immediately , however , strawberry went tirade man reports indicate used lot profanity accused man interference , therefore costing dodgers game shortly afterwards fans hurled food beverages toward man made catch dodger stadium officials started remove park , relocated another area interview game , lasorda blamed fan loss strawberry also went tirade fans stupid n't care winning l times columnists similarly blasted man made catch sounds like darryl darryl , tommy spending much time slim fast needs pasta fix , media usual charming selves sounds like new york like story ! ! \) saw replay wondering big deal \? n't realize folks la making big think , lasorda various media types sit watch replay apologize fan others questioned darryl concerned fan grand total 1 rbi first nine games darryl gotten good start , blame someone guess big debate continues responsibilities fan long fan n't interfere play see problems scott barman mets mailing list \( feed following shell \) scott asd com mail mets request asd com ! subscribe let 's go mets ! !
todd nickel laurentian ca subject homosexuality issues christiani organization laurentian university lines 13 whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) writes , see way interpreting wrong please tell verses interpreted way read surrounding text exactly asking homosexual community \( proper term \? \) decided christianity homosexual behaviour rather interpret verses guess really looking homosexual response todd
picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \( picl account 25 \) subject 's bone scan \? organization florida state university school higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 reply picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu lines 42 article cindy 349 uci edu , cindy uci edu \( cindy \) writes mother advised bone scan performed \? procedure , painful \? 's leg back pain gp said sciatica oncologist listened symptoms said n't sound like sciatica , get bone scan assume correctly mother cancer \? , since mentioned oncologist bone scan nuclear scan scan dose radioactive tracer , imaging device used track distribution tracer body tracer usually given \( iv \) means physician assistant insert needle vein inject medicine vein minutes passed tracer circulate body , person scanned imaging device detect high concentrations tracer radiologist doctor looking areas take radioactive tracer less far pain , pain comes needle stick required start iv line doctor probably looking changes bones may resulted cancer also wondering mother cancer , since cancer spread one site wind system hope answered questions feel free e mail questions related bone scan anything else related mother 's care i'm newly graduated nurse , enjoy sharing information people help understand things know thoughts elisa b hanson \( picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu \) chief function body carry head around albert einstein
rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu \( robert william fusi \) subject sale '91 toyota camry 9500 organization lehigh university lines 20 1991 toyota camry sale deluxe package 5 speed grey power windows power door locks fm cassette power steering power brakes 70k highway miles excellent condition 9500 rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu \( 609 \) 397 2147 e mail info \( 914 \) 335 day \( 5 \) ask bob fusi
mjr4u virginia edu \( matthew j rush \) subject espn organization university virginia lines 7 actually , angry went away pens game pens fan central virginia kinda tough get see espn , play caps , cause 're close enough dc get caps games , espn switched caps , ! matt
ecl psu edu \( kyle p hunter \) subject problem omnipotence organization penn state engineering computer lab lines 36 distribution usa nntp posting host psu edu summary prob w omnipotence keywords god , jesus x news reader vms news 1 24 recall discussion heard years ago went something like problem omnipotence \( least perceive \) christian god ideal potentially contradictory manifestation god truly infinite power god place limits upon \? stuff ca n't recall questions think recall correctly god \? god make \( assuming n't yet exist \) \? god always existed necessary observer bind gods potential quantum states reality \? god nothing force nature existed earliest stages universal \( \? \) creation \? god vacuum \? given great enough energy density could create god \? would make us god god something else \? stuff n't recall concerning creating god followed god self aware \? necessary god self aware \? god living entity \? god living entity \? god unchanging evolve \? comments \? post others might benefit open inquiry resulting discussion kyle
pww spacsun rice edu \( peter walker \) subject universe black holes , 2000 years organization n't , nobody saw , ca n't prove thing lines 24 article 1993apr20 iastate edu , kv07 iastate edu \( warren vonroeschlaub \) wrote let 's say drop marble black hole races , ever faster , towards even horizon , thanks space caused excessive gravity , object approaches event horizon travel integrating curve gives time reach event horizon infinity math says nothing enter black hole true observer rest infinite distance black hole see particle take infinite time reach horizon particle 's reference frame , takes finite time reach horizon singularity math indeed predict take look , thorne , wheeler 's peter walker n't forget sing say 's heaven wait say 's better , say ai n't 'd rather laugh sinners cry saints sinners much fun good die young !
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject schatzki ring pvc 's organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines 48 article 1993apr27 betsy gsfc nasa gov , ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov wrote summarized person schatzki 's ring \( membrane partially blocking \) \( difficulty swallowing \) doctor proposes dilation \( using inflatable balloon ring rubber hose push question balloon dilation safe , common , indicated \? sounds pretty invasive end summary yes , common safe procedure majority schatzki 's rings described x ray , however , due inflammation instead congenital schatzki 's ring occassionally cancer ring endoscopy see due , , need treatment ong term balloon dilation alternative cutting open chest cutting section , dilation invasive , considering alternative second issue summarized extra heartbeats past 3 4 years , symptomatic , young , \( 30 ish \) , thin good health \( recent normal \) , smoke , use drugs caffeine , etc i'm willing accept extra beats normal , n't want ignore might kind warning symptom number pvc 's seems increase throughout day , exercise \( something simple climbing stairs \) also , get sitting lying , tend get couple extra beats could possibly related problems \? seemed develop time i' expert heart problems , pvc 's common past personal experience , history build \( related heart , \) , pvc 's come go , months causing anxiety taking fluids seems help , seem worse summer remember slow heart rate allow pvc 's apparent , perhaps indication healthy cardiac system \( ask expert last point , especially \) good luck , hope n't die arrhythmias \( god , happy thought \) steve holland
uabdpo dpo uab edu ! gila005 \( stephen holland \) subject organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines 26 article 1993apr28 nuscc nus sg , nuscc nus sg \( kiong beng kee \) wrote wife first two months pregnancy son \( 3 months old \) , breast fed , symptoms skin specialist , merely prescribed various medicines \( one visit though trial error \) \) anti worked , looks like becoming less effective solutions \? thanks kiong beng kee dept information systems computer science national university singapore lower kent ridge road , singapore 0511 food products get breast milk cause allergies young since son allergic would best go bottle , rather eliminate foods mother 's diet pediatrician able give list foods avoid good luck , steve
c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) subject crypto papers net nntp posting host mizzou1 missouri edu organization university missouri lines 13 've recently reading paper merkle 's \( net , think \) discussing three potential replacements des ever done \? khufu , khafre , snefru still discussed anywhere \? \( know snefru referenced rsa faq , think may also sci crypt faq \) related topic , anyone point toward good sites find papers articles discussions cryptology \? think 've exhausted math sci library , n't seem anything recent '84 thanks john kelsey
brunel ac uk \( sunil gupta \) subject message cgcad bart inescn pt organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 2 cant get author rtrace site inaccessible upload new version somewhere else please \?
orville weyrich uunet uu net \( orville r weyrich \) subject wanted floppy controller handle multiple floppies reply uunet uu net ! weyrich ! orville organization weyrich computer consulting distribution usa lines 27 need duplicate bunch floppy disks \( 3 5 \) ideally would like able keep 2 4 floppies busy simultaneously single pc yes , know services exist know standard isa bus floppy controllers one drive active time know controllers available handle 4 floppies access know microchannel machines keep one floppy active simultaneously anyone controller isa bus pc simultaneously keep 2 4 floppies going \? eisa machine \? limitation software limitation , work around using os 2 1 3 pc 286 new used , i'm interested orville orville r weyrich , jr weyrich computer consulting certified data processor pob , scottsdale , az certified systems professional voice \( 602 \) 391 0821 certified computer programmer internet orville weyrich com freedom without responsibility uucp uunet ! weyrich ! orville
amoco com \( randy l hunt \) subject love morning malcolm smith ministries lines 184 begin included message following teaching brought behalf malcolm smith ministries , ministry dedicated leading believers everywhere knowledge love god would like info ministry , would like comment whether found teaching beneficial , e mail randy hunt hou amoco com love morning \( psalm 90 14 \) malcolm smith moses wrote prayer weary time history israel generation time writing , people israel stood kadesh , gateway canaan , made choice go way rather god 's way refused adventure faith god would given canaan , homeland promise god honored decision , said would wander desert miles land promise buried sand young decision makers day twenty thirty years old , destined dead within forty years bones desert time seventy eighty , lives wanderers sadness moses described ending year sigh \( v 9 \) fact knew , give take months , going die , existence whatever heights success reached , would heap bones within forty years ones live outside depression hopeless disbelief joshua caleb , stood nation kadesh promise one day entering land forty year period finally drawing end new generation , children kadesh , grown eager take inheritance parents refused enjoy light , moses prays time new day begin days misery years , moses walked complaining people wilderness exile , carried double burden sadness living less could also knew chosen kadesh problem ignorant character god asked god \? would described god power aaron created concept god idol chose calf young bull symbol power , minds , god young bull pharaoh horns egypt 's gods led israel sinai man worships god power , miracles grow thin even boring miracle food desert floor water miraculously solid rock desert , god becomes ho hum next miracle menu \? god power unpredictable young bull calf might need , knows \? power , right whatever wants , whenever wants person people known absolute power pharaoh , men 's lives hung whim , could change wind believed god could work wonders behalf , know , , could trust israel god based , acts moses knew heart god , motivation behind acts day encounter burning bush , moses fascinated god sinai , asked shown glory know really seen god done wanted know god request granted , moses given glimpse god 's glorious person come know heart god compassion lovingkindness \( exodus 34 6 , 7 \) word lovingkindness understood human kind love speaks kind relationship arising making covenant understood love says , never leave forsake lovingkindness british world walks , love heels refuses leave human romantic love , based feelings rooted emotions love covenant commitment , therefore , operates quite apart feelings god 's love emotion day day total commitment seek highest best , bring us fullest potential humans god see something good beautiful us feelings love toward us woo cause fall love us ! case , first ugly , sinful thing would cause reject us love , loves us love , committed us , pursuing us every blind alley foolishness let us go love looking get us committed love searches opportunities give us saying recipient , long shall live , god revealed man scripture , finally , jesus coming , death resurrection god lovingkindness thus loves us gives us never leave us forsake us tragically , many believers never seen love see power one come faith seeing miracles miracles point , faith springs heart israel see god lovingkindness saw acts power moses knew ways , kind god , love people total lack understanding love , could trust strength taking land faith born knowing love us resting response one gives us force , call almighty miss heart love almighty infinite force man make force raw power work , must depend knowing faith power issues love demands faith person love forty years meaningless wandering monument people never come know god love point , new generation possibility enjoying god promised , moses prays verse 14 language moses uses reminiscent baby slept secure mother 's love , waking look delight eyes waking consciousness loved watched , cared , protected , fed , cleaned , day night , mother suppose ask , baby done deserve \? , arrangements made child repay parents inconvenience \? questions would considered unnatural , even immoral child conceived love , anticipated prepared love 's excitement , love gates death bring parents' love unconditional , spontaneous nothing looks child performance god love loves us unconditionally , spontaneously conceived imagination fashioned image , brought moment blood lord jesus slanderous , immoral , even ask must earn deserve love child discovers identity eyes touch , , parents' love scientific fact baby touched held probably die , survives , severe emotional problems person held loved still never know true meaning life without embrace knowledge love god moses prays new generation learn wake every morning , resting total confidence love god receive promises blessings joy significantly , moses prays satisfied love satisfied hebrew language rich picture word describing filled abundance gourmet food also used describe earth rain soaked vegetation received enough water moses prays awaken every morning life giving love god sense satisfaction lifelong quest every man woman satisfied deepest selves , many emotional even physical problems disappear man seeks sense satisfaction comes feeling fulfilled human hours meaning , make sense ordinary mundane apart god , man seeks satisfaction intellectual pursuit , exciting emotions , feeding body even seek religious exercise man always dissatisfied responding love living god knowing god 's love rest life make sense forty years drew close land promise became inheritance taken , moses prayed psalm find fascinating pray ask god daily revelation love considering awe people held moses one would think could subject lovingkindness , knowledge gained , would live moses knew better god one make known us love wo n't find religious lecture formula learn use manipulate beautiful poem emotions give us god feelings god , , lover , must open eyes satisfy us love prayer man , helplessness , asking god make love real hearts prayer partially answered next generation seen exploits faith worked love book judges would answered fullest dimensions coming holy spirit , love god hearts \( romans 5 5 \) history early church , read holy spirit falling upon believers ancient expression , modern english , means give bear hug used luke 15 describe father running prodigal falling neck kissing holy spirit god deepest self divine kisses deepest level one time experience filed spiritual resumes moses prayed morning morning would awaken realization loved world , much religious training , taught us perform order accepted spent far long living state order find satisfaction find acceptance love others , god come receive love cannot earn still let tell us loved let holy spirit descend us , pouring love god come stillness think repeat words love minds doctrine perform accepted begin realize loves us , gives meaning purpose life challenge everyone reading begin day , moment open eyes , celebrating god love praying prayer may feel anything , something always happens x day see feel anything , noted technicians kept behind protective walls know cannot exposed rays without affected consciously begin day knowing loved knowledge produce , according moses , joy days joy result life functioning god intended us function made us might say joy hum engine peak performance man' highest performance rest love god hum joy , result endless creativity arising sense meaning life stop wandering wilderness satisfied love , joy , day day , receive promised blessings end included message
subject yankee thoughts kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host willet wesleyan edu lines 61 article mjones fenway , mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) writes scott asd com \( scott barman \) writes article 1993apr20 clam com sam steamer clam com \( sam mandelbaum \) writes 2 wade boggs live boston like wade lot , career winding would rather see yanks start develop long term solution \( e hensley , russ davis , velarde \? \) besides , wade n't range shame charlie hayes , huh \? would playing 3b , wade boggs charlie hayes \? choice boggs contest give time develop younger talent area yankee farm system seems deficient hem two words russell davis playing cavern albany \( aa \) last year \( 375 410 385 alleys center \) , davis went 285 355 483 22 homers n't small parks road eastern league , either 's 23 \( ! \) mle 258 308 416 , 17 hr fielding statistics , seeing number times last year 'd say 's brooks robinson , neither howard johnson unless think win pennant year \( seems possible \) need boggs , think 're making sort mistake davis boston made boggs , leaving minors two three years 'd shown good hitter 3 spike owen see wade boggs 'd much rather see develop dave silvestri whoever wade spike next infield going raise yankee staff era 1 2 point guys sides careers bad gave randy many trips columbus shuttle ! hrm \? still roster \( 16 ab first two weeks \) 've never figured suspect hits enough \( especially vs lefties \) reasonable shortstop one rumor running around spring training wanted convert silvestri catcher \( ! \) body type wrong shortstop 'd think somebody division , plays baltimore dozen times year , would know better mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com one guys went , doubled confusion n't require rhodes scholar two teammates went , four would protect guys drysdale regard boggs 'll relate story yankee fan fenway last year opening day see face baltimore could n't help listen boston fans talk various players team one guy totally boggs , sucks , etc told yankee fan 'd take second would want trade back said pile sh know boggs personal problems playing boston , come 's future hall really adds needed dimension yanks solid hitter , decent fielder importantly teacher , ask pat kelly think 's got good years left bat may key contributor stretch win american league east year boston fans class ! ! ! 'll probably boo like crazy first time back hope goes 4 4 shuts
jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) subject oh make mind ! ! \( xv problems \) organization tampere university technology lines 40 distribution world nntp posting host cc tut fi article 1993apr30 nessie mcc ac uk c c lilley mcc ac uk writes xv allows feature , n't recommend use mentioned type images ah ! see problem ! first want extend xv allow editing 8 bit 24 bit images point problems saying problem , personally , happen use parts program cause problem ! ! see previous article debate rests see xv 3 00 agree view cases n't even say personal opinion \( \) , n't mean obvious thing please , use previous writings contradicting argument , please read saw refered text wrote make hard decisions , without reading exactly written really hard read one writes reply line line method n't understand include previously written material new sentences give meaning seem one also start replying articles , even n't understand going ask repeatedly views wrong xv 2 21 even posted within article reply believe , nice get flamed specially know read article carefully first place xv 3 00 jpeg faq users written agree places n't i'm sure n't wrote blame writing skills \( english \? \) , \? better stop discussion check new ideas xv 3 00 gives allready mailed one bradley juhana kouhia
wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov subject hyperknowledge organization university houston lines 45 nntp posting host judy uh edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article 1993apr28 embl heidelberg de , embl heidelberg de \( \) writes announcement hyperknowledge project nextstep motivation group scientists students feel work continuously hindered computer environments dominated incompatible scientific tools monstrous software packages \( often claiming everything \) need object oriented scientific environment tools choose use integrated without parts closed system , highly interactive , extendable \( addition specialized objects combining available tools graphically \) use environment natural extension work , requiring short learning phase practically user documentation know kinda subject sci space , really , want answer , well everyone else 's information people proposing , large already exists purchased today called labview national instruments wonderful object oriented graphical programming language implemented mac 's pc 's vme unix boxes fare superior programming approach ever seen allowed us decrease software development time shuttle payloads 90 percent program specific hardware already analysis capability invent wheel platform may exist \? great idea look available today hydrogen leak shuttle found using software ssme control simulation studies , along real testing msfc handled labview tons applications , ability create virtual instruments accomplish specific custom task maker desires addition ieee 488 support , computer becomes virtual control station , allowing graphic representation remote instrumentation serial support instrument anywhere ground control software main control 1 utilize approach dennis , university alabama huntsville
organization penn state university john johnson psuvm psu edu subject phils , nl east weak kingoz camelot lines 17 article kingoz camelot , kingoz camelot bradley edu \( orin roth \) says may posting way early eating words mid season c'mon , phillies n't proved anything yet atlanta similar phils 2 years ago sucked started phillies finished third 2 years ago braves really record 6 3 imagine phils record batting 188 \? atlanta 's hitting improve dramatically opponents n't hit much better eat words , forgive us true fans philly lot \) john
tph drake sbc com \( timothy p henrion \) subject biblical backing koresh 's 3 02 tape \( cites enclosed \) organization usr lib news organization lines 48 nntp posting host drake sbc com article utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu \( stephen \) writes article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com , netd susie sbc com \( \) writes name \? \( stephen \) writes think david koresh n't solid structure , sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast , n't think anyone really cares solid structure sermon tells quite lot man i'm curious referring koresh man \? upper case \? 's deaths 's responsible concern people spokesman people \? never claimed spokesman people assumption part people normal values morality would concerned human life sermon structure missed point prophets , psalms , revelation , together , provide rich view special event wedding burning children part special event \? comment stems realization love lord , human imperfect whatever preach , matter eloquent , corrupted little difference know master 's voice recognize gem stone amidst rock also lesson ear hear know master 's voice \? master care \? eloquent , corrupt , preaching may little difference suspect made big difference died compound tim henrion southwestern bell technology resources sbctri sbc com
mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu subject universe motion \( book review \) organization university wisconsin eau claire lines 141 \( book review \) universe motion , dewey b larson , 1984 , north pacific publishers , portland , oregon , 456 pages , indexed , hardcover universe motion contains final solutions astrophysical mysteries book volume iii revised enlarged edition structure physical universe , 1959 volume nothing motion \( 1979 \) , volume ii basic properties matter \( 1988 \) books journal articles subject astrophysics , partial , fancy mathematics book , contrast , mathematics conspicuous absence , except relatively simple formulas text larson emphasizes concepts declares mathematical agreement theory guarantee conceptual validity dewey b larson retired engineer bachelor science degree engineering science oregon state university developed theory described books trying find way mathematically calculate properties chemical compounds based elements contain universe motion describes astrophysical portions larson 's consistent , integrated , comprehensive , general unified theory physical universe , kind grand unified field theory orthodox physicists astro physicists claim looking built two postulates physical mathematical nature space time \( 1 \) physical universe composed entirely one component , motion , existing three dimensions , discrete units , two reciprocal aspects , space time \( 2 \) physical universe conforms relations ordinary mathematics , primary absolute , geometry euclidean two postulates , larson able build complete theoretical universe , photons particles giant elliptical galaxies , combining concept inward outward scalar motions , vibrational , rotational , rotational vibrational motions step development , able match parts theoretical universe corresponding parts real physical universe , including even things yet discovered example , 1959 book , first predicted existence exploding galaxies , several years astronomers started finding necessary consequence comprehensive theory quasars discovered , related explanation ready also result theory , called reciprocal system , larson totally rejected many sacred doctrines orthodox physicists astrophysicists , including black holes , neutron stars , degenerate matter , quantum wave mechanics \( applied atomic structure \) , nuclear physics , general relativity , relativistic mass increases , relativistic doppler shifts , nuclear fusion stars , big bang , considered nothing mathematical fantasies critical ad hoc assumptions , uncertainty principles , solutions principle , way declarations , etc , used maintain universe motion divided 31 chapters begins description galaxies built gravitational attraction globular star clusters , formed intergalactic gas dust clouds accumulate decay products cosmic rays coming anti matter half physical universe \( galaxy formation mythical big bang big mystery orthodox astronomers \) goes describe life cycles stars binary multiple star systems solar systems result type supernova explosions single stars several chapters devoted quasars , according larson , densely packed clusters stars ejected central exploding galaxies actually traveling faster speed light \( although speed away us time \) astronomers astrophysicists run observations contradict theories would find larson 's explanations quite valuable considered open mind example , used believe gamma ray bursts originated pulsars , exist primarily plane central bulge galaxy new gamma ray telescope earth orbit observed bursts come directions uniformly correspond visible objects , \( except cases directional coincidence \) larson 's explanation gamma ray bursts originate supernova explosions anti matter half physical universe , larson calls cosmic sector anti matter universe exists reciprocal relation material universe , speed light boundary , three dimensions time one dimension space , bursts pop material universe anywhere seemingly random larson heavily quotes statements books , journal articles , leading physicists astronomers book , 351 numbers identifying entries reference list end book example , quote book astronomy cosmic journey , william k hartmann , says , hopes understanding stars would brighten could explain exactly binary multiple stars form unfortunately cannot larson 's book contains logical consistent explanations mysteries worthy serious consideration physicists , astronomers , astrophysicists information , answers questions , etc , please consult cited sources \( larson 's books \) un altered reproduction dissemination important book review encouraged robert e mcelwaine b , physics astronomy , uw ec
farenebt craft camp clarkson edu \( droopy \) subject ahl playoff results \( concrete \) organization clarkson university lines 29 nntp posting host craft clarkson edu x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 well , got scores sat 's games ahl playoff scores first round \( home team caps \) games played sat , 4 24 baltimore 3 binghamton 1 rochester 3 utica 2 springfield 4 providence 3 series \( plural status \? \) adirondack defeated cdi , 4 0 springfield defeated providence , 4 2 binghamton tied w baltimore , 2 2 rochester defeated utica , 4 1 st john 's leads moncton , 3 1 cape breton defeated fredericton , 4 1 bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl , ecac boston bruins contact rec sport hockey adirondack red wings , calder cup champs '81 '86 '89 '92 clarkson hockey , ecac tournament champs '66 '91 '93 glens falls high hockey , ny division ii state champs '90 '91 ahl fans join ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
wagner grace math uh edu \( david wagner \) subject baptism requires faith organization uh dept math lines 132 aaron aaron bryce cardenas aaronc athena mit edu writes aaron colossians 2 11 12 also circumcised , aaron putting sinful nature , circumcision done aaron christ , buried baptism raised aaron faith power god , raised aaron dead aaron baptism , raised new life christ \( romans 6 4 \) aaron personal faith power god parent 's aaron faith cannot infants faith \? let 's look aaron bible say yes , let try anyone causes one little ones believes sin , would better thrown sea large tied around neck mark 9 42 let little children come , hinder , kingdom god belongs tell truth , anyone receive kingdom god like little child never enter colossians passage make faith requirement baptism merely says baptism born , , resurrected faith case infant would say baptism works faith heart infant power word colossians passage make baptism spiritual circumcision circumcision means male infant made part god 's covenant israel commanded performed eighth day early church understood , even debated whether baptism performed eighth day , could fact done earlier aaron romans 10 16 17 israelites accepted good aaron news isaiah says , 'lord , believed message \? ' aaron consequently , faith comes hearing message , aaron message heard word christ aaron receive god 's gift faith us hear aaron message gospel gospel surely preached infant 's \( adult 's \) baptism indeed , real sense , sacraments gospel made tangible aaron faith possible response hearing aaron god 's word preached kids yet spiritually , aaron intellectually , emotionally mature enough respond aaron god 's word know yet mature enough faith \? know basis god 's word , reason \? faith also described gift god , ephesians 2 8 , 9 gives faith infants gives adults , power gospel , romans 1 6 aaron read ezekiel 18 , see god n't aaron hold us guilty anyone else 's sins aaron original guilt adam show n't understand original sin arguing straw man maybe 've talking catholics much n't know original sin consist god 's adam 's guilt us consists inheritance adam 's sinful nature actual sin see example , augsburg confession , article ii , apology augsburg confession , article ii , , extra credit , john knox 's `the scots , article iii aaron little background aaron original sin biblical , let 's look aaron scriptures used support aaron romans 5 12 therefore , sin entered world aaron one man , death sin , way death came aaron men , sinned ask question infants ever die \? ask , infant baptism valid , christian church centuries almost performed infants \? luther , , calvin , , hus , knox , , christians \? aaron psalm 51 5 surely sinful birth , sinful time aaron mother conceived aaron whole psalm wonderful example humble aaron god repentance sinning david aaron man god 's heart wrote psalm aaron committing murdering husband aaron david saying ca n't remember time aaron n't sinful humbling god aaron confessing sinfulness saying sinful aaron birth hyperbole bible , inspired god , n't aaron limited literal , also uses figures aaron speech jesus \( john 16 25 \) another example aaron hyperbole , see luke 14 26 say literal \? literal interpretation absurd psalm 51 reason direct contradiction clear passage word god \? might also compare genesis 8 21 , lord pleasing said heart , curse ground man , even though every inclination heart evil childhood aaron see aaron grow become wiser luke 2 40 2 52 aaron implication jesus wrong things child aaron knew choose right wrong long way proving \( rather monstrous \) assertion say jesus grew wisdom stature conclusion wrong child based reason , direct revelation scripture david h wagner mad reason rushes forth , confessional lutheran baptism like works , regards worthless martin luther , large catechism , fourth part , baptism
roby chopin udel edu \( scott w roby \) subject photographers removed compound nntp posting host chopin udel edu organization university delaware distribution na lines 48 relay coverage seen press conference authorities compound cnn earlier today \( wednesday \) explained two news photographers found compound earlier morning without permission explained press corps dangerous unknown photographer turning around long lens camera could mistaken someone dangerous texas ranger surveying site \( ! \) two photographers said currently jail press warned follow guidelines also emphasized survey crime scene point crucial press could allowed interfere press allowed bodies removed site completely surveyed evidence court case gist beginning conference best memory bring n't seen anyone else note n't seen regular newscasts mention probably mentioned papers tomorrow opinions find disturbing believe koresh largely responsible ending standoff manner last 51 days patient opportunity , find secrecy surrounding aftermath damaging position realize since vast majority potential defendents court case already dead , emphasis importance building court case seems interesting see hearings affair also heard congressional calls review possible overhaul government enforcement agencies recall stated would good idea previous months please also note means endorse agree many conspiracy type theories read groups usual , basing opinions info gathered various media filtered common sense consideration , imho , opinion subject change information made available scott roby standard disclaimer
demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) subject performa lc \? \? \? organization acme products lines 26 article 1993apr20 puc cl , rcvillab isluga puc cl \( carlos \) writes hi ! ! question diference performa 450 lciii \? want know better know specifications prices computers , tell email rcvillab isluga puc cl 'd like know diference apple monitor \( \) performa monitor performa 200 classic ii performa 400 lc ii performa 4xx lc iii performa 600 well , nothing \) performas made low cost business solutions 4xx bundled software , modems , etc retail price might able get discount shop around far monitors go , buy 3rd party much cheaper brett 's nothing passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean o'casey white plague frank herbert
prism gatech edu \( glynn , mike \) subject prevent ctl alt del windows organization georgia institute technology lines 12 would like prevent windows users using ctl alt del within windows know must way could anyone point right direction \? thanks advance , mike glynn mike glynn business gatech edu mike glynn stolen sig follows hot someone completely internet prism gatech edu baffled people cars !
cas org \( larry w virden \) subject summary virtual mouse ol v wm reply lvirden cas org \( larry w virden \) organization software shoe , uninc lines 21 article andrew cmu edu derrick j brashear db74 andrew cmu edu writes got following today gary risebrough worked fine excerpts mail 29 apr 93 ol v wm 3 virtual gov au \( 554 \) openwindows keyboardcommands full openwindows virtualgrabkeys false seems work find man pages virtualgrabkeys resource n't show openwindows 3 0 man pages larry w virden inet lvirden cas org personal 674 falls place , , oh
ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) subject maxima chain wax organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 20 reply ak296 yfn ysu edu \( john r daker \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , txd esd 3com com \( tom dietrich \) says parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km seen miracle maxima chain wax lube stay 's supposed , swear ride faster yes , lube chain , makes better rider attractive members opposing sex smarter dod 650 darkman significant problems face cannot solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion
marshall csugrad cs vt edu \( kevin marshall \) subject faith dogma organization virginia tech computer science dept , blacksburg , va lines 73 nntp posting host csugrad cs vt edu tgk cs toronto edu \( todd kelley \) writes faith dogma irrational faith dogma part religion responsible irrationality individuals disagree end , individual responsible irrationality individual 's belief dogmatic religion symptom irrationality noticed philosophers tend atheists \? atheists agnostics , would imagine , yes , point atheist would theoretically ill equipped study philosophy religion christian , yet persistence atheists among ranks philosophers therefore , conflict one 's religious beliefs \( lack thereof \) ability philosopher must great assert fact philosophers may non religious secondary point science , \( would practiced atheists \) contrast , built defence faith dogma opposed science practiced theists \? careful science built defence faith dogma skepticism unfortunately , wonderful little creature known theory many us believe theory evolution absolute proof theory true , believe \? makes sense \? quite bit faith involved scientist holds sacred idea beliefs change suit whatever best information available time , , , , scientist understands current beliefs deficient way well , current beliefs deficient , basically agree see difference \? science views beliefs flawed , new information obtained improve ideally , true reality , though , acknowledge scientists human scientists egos biases scientists assume particular theory true , refuse admit flaws theory ego problems whatever , proceed spend time money trying come absolute proof theory remember cold fusion \? way , n't aware mass suicide problem waco jonestown isolated incidents mass suicides far common clinton fbi would love convince would save us taxpayer lot money could really agree spent far much money waco crisis \( 7 , 500 , 000 believe \) , especially considering outcome point mass suicides u rare \( jonestown , incidentally , although bill clean \) , u far important issues address compare number u citizens died mass suicides , say , number u soldiers died one week vietnam war see point kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall csugrad cs vt edu blacksburg , virginia \( 703 \) 232 6529
tgl cs cmu edu \( tom lane \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! nntp posting host g gp cs cmu edu organization independent jpeg group lines 29 sherman lea csc ncsu edu \( chris sherman \) gripes really bums xv went shareware xv 's shareware year n't noticed \? n't problem john bradley put hell lot work xv , feels 's time get monetary reward , 's surely right author legally sell xv \? xv uses tiff jpeg code developed others author get permission sell works \? bothered consult distribution terms ijg jpeg code \( right xv distribution \) , would observed specifically grant permission use shareware commercial software sam leffler 's libtiff copyright also grants permission unrestricted use including resale guess nobody going want help author maintain code anymore xv become commercial product , commercial \? 's big difference polite request voluntary donation commercial , 's illegal copy 'll sic lawyers software agree john 's readme file could little clearer means personal use regards , tom lane organizer , independent jpeg group
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject overreacting \( tapped , code good \) organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 5 distribution na nntp posting host access digex net intent cut government knees pen \( keyboard \) true , lawyer go far , agree best use resources maximum extent seriously contemplating anything disruptive
julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? nntp posting host eddie jpl nasa gov organization jet propulsion laboratory , pasadena , ca lines 42 article dartvax dartmouth edu coos dartmouth edu \( prakash das \) writes article 1993apr20 jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov \( julie kangas \) writes foods taste i'm allergic msg like taste , n't use \? saying n't use like saying n't eat spicy food neighbor ulcer julie , n't necessarily follow use \( msg something else matter \) simply allergic example might allergic \( animal \) , like taste , yet n't follow using \( regularly \) msg might bad \( good , knowledge msg \) effects body long run , maybe 's reason enough use perhaps quit eating mushrooms , beans , cheese msg occurs naturally i'm going quit eating something like might cause trouble later causes problems people would much rather avoid stress worrying goes mouth spending every day reading conflicting reports good bad may eat things quantities may good fine 've made decision n't think 's appropriate anyone try 's good obnoxious harmful words , imo , english \( \) language example ulcer funny , n't appropriate comparison think get tired people saying 'do n't eat x 's bad ! ' well , x may bad everyone even , \? give people information n't ram decisions throats julie disclaimer opinions belong cat one else
read world std com \( harold read \) subject 877 mb 3 5 scsi disk sale organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 10 new \( opened box , tested drive \) toshiba disk sale 3 5 877 mb formatted 12 ms scsi 2 3 year warranty thought would work , need larger drive system asking 900 00 great opportunity let hear
jkjec westminster ac uk \( shazad barlas \) subject mr2 noisy engine organization university westminster lines 10 quick note shape uk first came , 3 models base model auto box engine camry 2 0 ! ! ! well found model longer profitable toyota since 've also noticed auto depreciated lot next model surprise surprise huh \? oh lucky americans turbo mr2 \( luck \( shaz
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject want billion organization u toronto zoology lines 35 article mojo eng umd edu sysmgr king eng umd edu writes 'd need launch hlvs send large amounts stuff know private titan pad \? nobody interested launching things cheaply buy titans n't take many titan pay laser launcher large gas gun development program big dumb booster , would far better cost effectiveness henry , made assumption gets wins n't spend billion dollars , since prize going scaled match level effort spend billion pretty quickly buying titan launches 's , buy titans , prize money entire return investment develop new launch system , uses , prize icing cake doubt much billion dollar prize going show enough return justify investment constrained use current us launchers \( would surely buy american clause rules prize , since would pretty well government funded \) 're going invest front money building new launch system rather pissing away existing ones first importance go bankrupt could get couple tuned lunar environment \? wanna prospecting i'm i'm sure would offer develop lunar tuned system deliver couple couple hundred million dollars svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca \( phil trodwell \) subject windows zip unzip organization university waterloo lines 25 article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au \( russ sharp \) writes using pkzip v2 04 interested hear people used one many windows programs call ones available one stand amongst rest \? full windows version call dos pkzip pkunzip commands \? mean prog n't jump dos display back create temp dos window \? yes might recommend winzip ftp cica indiana edu i'm afraid n't file name version able find 's fully compatible ver 2 functional later , phil trodwell space 'd happy ram goddam 440 volt cattle rent prod tub right , \( cheap \) radio ! hunter thompson
rvloon cv ruu nl \( ronald van loon \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! organization university utrecht , 3d computer vision research group lines 25 sophia inria fr muller inria fr \( christophe muller \) writes interesting look change \( \) mind john interested indeed ! kind changes gnu copyleft protecting us anyway , simulog , abandon xv using mostly slide shows loop feature display \( display wonderful imagemagick package ! \) , think implement \( even shell script job \) forget xv cheers , christophe muller simulog fr police \? ma'am , 're musicians use xloadimage instead \( xli \) ronald van loon theory , difference \( rvloon cv ruu nl \) theory practice 3dcv group , utrecht netherlands practice however ,
menchett unr edu \( peter j menchetti \) subject adobe type manager good \? \? organization university nevada , reno department computer science lines 9 subject says bought adobe type manager find completely useless atm fonts could n't install 's use \? supposed able convert atm fonts truetype \? 's anyone program actually finds useful , enlighten ! pete
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject space manuevering tug \( hst servicing mission \) organization express access online communications usa lines 121 nntp posting host access digex net article news cso uiuc edu jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) writes prb access digex net \( pat \) writes wrote prb access digex net \( pat \) writes data shows oms engines hold 10 , 900 kg propellant , substantial fraction going used first oms burn , reentry burn reserve pat , tell us much fuel altitude change going take , much edo pallet , bus 1 extra parts going mass make numbers work , 'll interested show us done , tell us much edo pallet , bus 1 extra equipment going cost n't know anyone nasa land know much fuel budgeted altitude change \? henry , figures mass \( full \) edo pallet plus 's dry weight \? dry mass bus 1 \? de classified checked last also , need 1 \) current orbital parameters hst 2 \) projected orbital parameters boost 3 \) discovery 's dry weight 4 \) hst 's dry weight somehow think could train new eva 8 months first , astronauts certainly done evas minimal planning , n't like general rule long need train \? year \? 2 years \? somehow think 2 3 adequate second , remember intelsat 6 \? trying attach motor piece hardware n't designed trying shortcut training going make repeat likely also significantly lacked orbit eva experience hst designed orbit servicing lot easier third , n't eight months however much time left someone comes plan , shows work gets approved may think pessimistic attitude think 's realistic i'm saying engineering task impossible \( engineering tasks \) i'm saying neither cost effective feasible nasa management comes time every project , kill management neccessary , schedule hst mission december drop dead date , unlike say retrieval mission soup \? mean \? suspect , bus 1 , may enough basic thrust hst boost need bigger tanks , bigger thrusters understanding second hst servicing mission contingency understanding mission needs new work electrical system , plus another boost smt avoid second servicing mission 's 500 million saved pat 's 500 million minus cost new hardware , minus cost extra want bring along , minus development costs , minus extra operating costs tanstaafl somehow , think cost expendable smt less 500 million extra stuff real cheap nasa lots suits , mmu 's , edo pallets usable oh , one double magnum , 's couple hundred bucks pat , messy less reliable device 's made perform task , also ignores point desire astronauts available door fails open , something done unless provide reliable way door , n't solved problem door cycled , x times already massive g loading somehow think work ou reliability methods ensure door works also , please tell sort material like co2 , h2o would manage contaminate mirror , anything goes vapor state , n't adhere mirror somehow , door , problem worked maybe put one time spring , door hangs door part mechanism hangs tomorrow , 'll 8 months someone gets fix pat
sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu \( steven j orlin \) subject changing oil self keywords n nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 33 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) write 're actually worried somebody stealing oil \? ahhh yes , andrew , meet , oil , draining leave stranded c'mon , think vandal 'll \? ! let guess , 're hudson ohio \? \? 's absolutely ridiculous ! get see world vandal , really hated someone , maybe someone knew something cars , course would look types valves could undo especially , special oil drain plugs , radiator well putting bad things gas would never vandalize someone 's car , , would probably approach , i'm sure i'm one thinks way steve
jmeritt mental mitre org \( jim meritt system admin \) subject booze , thus lord ! organization utexas mail news gateway lines 8 nntp posting host cs utexas edu jeremiah 25 27 therefore thou shalt say unto , thus saith lord hosts , god israel drink ye , drunken , , fall , rise , sword send among 25 28 shall , refuse take cup thine hand drink , shalt thou say unto , thus saith lord hosts ye shall certainly drink
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject \? \( political atheists \? \) organization sgi lines 62 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article gap caltech edu , keith cco caltech edu \( keith allan schneider \) writes livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes pardon \? trying apply human terms non humans \? 's right basically stating morality deal humans , humans sentient enough moral \( , say morality deal intentions \? \) never said humans beings sufficiently sentient intentions fact , explicitly said perfectly happy consider animals capable forming intentions objecting considering programmed instinctive behaviour moral significance , since , seems , behaviour involve intention think even someone conscious alternative , prevent behavior moral i'm sure think , say trying convince \? think moral act moral whether implementor thinks 's point point whether implementor thinks issue whether thinking produces opinion opinion b , whether thinking takes place , period 've offered , four times , think , accept definition allow ascribe moral orbital motion planets hmm perhaps ascribe could say many human actions natural thus n't follow natural morality since humans part nature , human actions natural perhaps 're going throw definition natural allow us describe actions natural natural , definition \? death surround mating rituals , animals n't kill \( within species \) often , \? sure , multiple posters show sharks , example , eat wounded sharks 've personally seen cats eat newborn kind denial \? people give example example , go air week , pop claiming never happened 's strange n't animals kill \? see mean go write tailor made faq mr schneider \? jon
engr latech edu \( james l \) subject 486dx 33 cpu chip sale , 250 organization louisiana tech university lines 37 distribution world reply engr latech edu nntp posting host pulsar engr latech edu article dcss mcmaster ca , cs3sd3ae maccs mcmaster ca \( holly ks \) writes article utdallas edu goyal utdallas edu \( mohit k goyal \) writes 486dx 33 cpu chip sale , 250 shipping like pay 250 chip , get immediately otherwise , take highest offer days thanks please refer , selling 150 cpu correct 150 may high amd started selling 486 clones ! 're dreaming guy selling 150 ripping chips gone 'll see price , amd clone still clone , want genuine article pay one guy decides sell ridiculously low price everyone else kevin bud , get life real world still play atari paddles \? geez man , open eyes today quoted price local dealer friend mine , could get motherboard \( 386dx 33 64k cache , 1 meg base ram \) 285 ! ! friendly advice , go favorite book store \( book 's \) pick computer shoppers guide think aa good price wait till see goodies sell james aka master
ee ceres kingston ac uk \( steve warner \) subject windows nt upgrade \? \? \? organization kingston university , kingston upon lines 14 distribution world nntp posting host ceres kingston ac uk hi thinking upgrading beta version windows nt 486sx 25mhz hard disc someone please give setup running nt operating system likely better windows unix 's steve ee uk ac king ceres
mam mouse cmhnet org \( mike mcangus \) subject americans evolution organization cat mat x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 lines 53 tue , 20 apr 1993 04 49 18 gmt bil okcforum osrhe edu \( bill conner \) wrote robert singleton \( bobs thnext mit edu \) wrote sure n't mutually exclusive , lends weight \( e increases running estimates posterior probability \) atheist 's pitch partition , thus necessarily reduces quantity theist 's pitch `divine component' falls prey 's razor , phenomenon satisfactorily explained without , independent evidence component detail next post occam 's razor law nature , way analyzing argument , even , interesting often 's cited end seems odd religion simultaneously condemned primitive , simple minded unscientific , anti intellectual childish , yet condemned complex \( occam 's razor \) , scientific explanation things much , apparently , simpler cute characterization bill however , inconsistency two statements even one believes religion primitive , simple minded unscientific , anti intellectual childish , one still hold view religion also adds unnecessary level complexity explanation ideas n't complex occam 's razor , add unnecessarily overall complexity description non essential , know \? think non essential part explanatory system one adds predictive capability system considering even scientists n't fully comprehend science due complexity diversity maybe william occam performed , kept frontal lobe thrown everything else away huh \? confusing , i'm sure one straighten tough watch , freudian slip showing mike mcangus truth still truth mam mouse cmhnet org even choose ignore \( old sig viruses still best \)
bd fluent dartmouth edu \( brice \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? reply bd fluent dartmouth edu distribution na organization fluent inc , lebanon nh lines 18 reply hertz njit edu 's message 21 apr 93 17 19 31 gmt hertz njit edu \( david \) writes someone government actually believed koresh knew seven seals apocalypse , ordered invasion 'd dead unable talk public everything need know seven seals already bible knowledge seals koresh could unless fbi kill publishers bible , would seem story seven seals would bound leak assuming moment fbi believed bible afraid seven seals , would also know god one open seals , little prophet like koresh
comm mot com \( jack \) subject radio freq used measure distance \? organization motorola , mobile data division seattle , wa lines 65 article otter hpl hp com otter hpl hp com \( tom gardner \) writes sci electronics , rgc3679 bcstec ca boeing com \( robert g carpenter \) writes i'm wondering 's possible use radio waves measure distance transmitter \( \) receiver \? yes 's called radar well , actually quite radar radio measure distances measuring time required transmit signal , receive reflection target radar generally uses pulses , radio use either pulses modulated continuous wave transmission case latter , highly accurate distance measurement made example , original ala 52 radio altimeter accurate 1 8 foot 2500 feet altitude note , however different method measuring poster originally asked problem gaining accurate measurements transmitter seperate receiver need highly accurate time base starts receiver exact instant transmitter triggers cannot wire connected , since radio waves actually travel faster free space \( air , case \) wire \( difference called velocity factor cable \) need resort common automatically corrected distance , etc something like pll connected gps receiver trick , triggering transmitter receiver simultaneously sound expensive \? bad , plan spending bucks equipment effort go different method \? use laser light system reflection time measured try \? \( sounds like something p e know anyway \) seems able measure signal strength determine distance would short distances \( 2000 ft \) , would need accuracy 6 inches , actually highly inaccurate , since power output transmitter varies unit unit , antenna transmission line , receiver may also vary , unit unit , unit time would need continuously calibrate entire system radio altimeter also done , since everything located one place , much easier note especially time base r receiver transmitter one unit also depends environment static yes , dynamic environment \( objects moving \) kills concept nope fm capture effect says strongest signal wins , unless two interfering signals seperated 3 db signal strength one problem makes inaccurate low altitudes signals bouncing tend strong frequencies would best \? matter \? high possible eliminate outside influence , also enhance signals radio typically use frequencies around 4 ghz hope helps jack ham radio internet comm mot com
drg biomath mda uth tmc edu \( david gutierrez \) subject calling mac gurus organization univ texas anderson cancer center lines 15 distribution world nntp posting host ratatosk mda uth tmc edu article usenet ins cwru edu charles p cox , jr cox snowhite eeap cwru edu writes put 2 256k vram simms quadra 700 \( 2 slots closest ram simm slots \) got results whatsoever make difference slots put simms \? vram simms go slots back closest power supply david gutierrez drg biomath mda uth tmc edu fools positive moe howard
rob msc cornell edu subject used cds sale originator rob snoopy msc cornell edu organization , \? lines 10 nova mob last days 8 ppd overwhelming overwhelming 8 ppd teenage 9 ppd tin machine tin machine ii 9 ppd various asthma v comp 9 50 ppd rob rob msc cornell edu
rwd4f poe acc virginia edu \( rob dobson \) subject 2000 posts , say thread dead \? organization university virginia lines 5 unfortunately legalize freedom
panix com \( michael \) subject universal phones days \? organization macedonia 3 , 000 years greek heritage lines 19 lhe yang sics se lhe sics se \( lars henrik eriksson \) writes \( virtually \) swedish exchanges handle tone dialling many older exchanges modified accept tone dialling would suprised equipment compatible , fact new york telephone \( nynex \) spend lot money swedish switching equipment recently lars henrik eriksson internet lhe sics se guess brand equipment refer \) michael land , said god seeks shall find sits folded hands sleeps blind sophocles
eugene bigelow ebay sun com \( geno \) subject doctrine original sin reply eugene bigelow ebay sun com organization sun microsystems , inc lines 20 bigelow writes also noteworthy consider jesus' attitude argument pharisees ot canon \( john 10 31 6 \) , explained followers road emmaus law , prophets psalms referred ot division scripture \( luke 24 44 \) , well luke 11 51 taking genesis chronicles \( jewish order would say genesis malachi \) scripture remember adam 's transgression , men women sinned , paul wrote humanity god 's sin , thus , subject , sin transmitted generation generation andy byler andy , write paragraph believe 3rd time someone else 's words attributed ca n't speak rest humanity , anything
iscsvax uni edu subject archiving gif organization university northern iowa lines 9 's best way archive gif 's \? zip shrink 1 compression programs except stacker heard good gif 's thanx ps please e mail , n't get far news usually
uni ulm de \( \( \) \) subject marten \( problems \) organization \( research institute applied knowledge processing \) lines 29 hi everybody well n't know known problem big state europe places happened lot get new honda civic repaired marten choose car stay one night damn little animal damaged almost everything plastic rubber never thought little could much damage car owners good known method rid animal \? \? \? except waiting night long beneath car gun \? \? \? help form would appreciated much ! ! ! ! e mail uni ulm de y'all
wwerner thor mlb semi harris com \( william werner \) subject harris semiconductor 's answerfax information nntp posting host thor mlb semi harris com organization harris semiconductor , melbourne fl lines 84 h h rrrrr rrrrr ssss h h r r r r aaaaa rrrrr rrrrr ssss h h r r r r h h r r r r ssss harris semiconductor answerfax answerfax line 24 hours day , 7 days week , instantly receive application notes using touch tone telephone fax machine number call \( 407 \) 724 \( set international calls time \) general decision tree answerfax follows , numbers available selections welcome harris semiconductors answerfax 1 2 select 1 select 2 familiar explanation answerfax answerfax 1 2 select 1 order select 2 document \( list catalogs document list 1 new products catalogs , 2 linear products get first \) 3 data acquisition products 4 digital signal processing products 5 discrete power intelligent power products 9 application notes select appropriate document select appropriate catalog want order want order anything else \? yes , anything else \? yes , taken back taken back selection decision selection decision phone number fax \? name \? \( request instructions \) end bill werner bill werner wwerner mis semi harris com harris semiconductor wwerner thor mlb semi harris com melbourne florida life candle , \( 407 \) 729 dream give flame rush , steel
solar usc edu \( tor \) subject program , may 23 27 , , norway organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 223 distribution world nntp posting host solar usc edu program , may 23 27 , , norway general chair email alcatel program chair tor department informatics university bergen n bergen norway email ii uib monday , may 24 session 1 authentication chair j 9 00 9 30 welcome opening remarks 9 30 10 00 relation codes codes correcting independent errors , johansson , b smeets \( lund university , sweden \) , g \( institute problems information transmission , russia \) 10 00 10 20 optimal authentication systems , r l \( university wollongong , australia \) 10 20 10 50 coffee tea session 2 public key chair 10 50 11 10 factoring integers using , b dixon \( princeton university , usa \) k lenstra \( bellcore , usa \) 11 10 11 30 new curve based analogue rsa , n \( telecom research laboratories , australia \) 11 30 11 50 weaknesses public key cryptosystem based factorization finite groups , j stern \( ens , france \) 11 50 14 00 lunch session 3 block ciphers chair de 14 00 14 20 uniform mappings cryptography , k \( technical university vienna , austria \) 14 20 14 40 permutations differential cryptanalysis , beth c ding \( , university karlsruhe , germany \) 14 40 15 10 two new classes bent functions , c \( inria , france \) 15 10 15 30 boolean functions satisfying higher order strict condition , w \( suny , buffalo , usa \) 15 30 16 00 coffee tea session 4 secret sharing chair 16 00 16 30 size shares probability cheating threshold schemes , , de u \( university salerno , italy \) 16 30 17 00 secret sharing schemes , k , k , k , w \( tokyo institute technology , japan \) tuesday , may 25 session 5 chair 9 00 10 00 norwegian , e \( university bergen , norway \) \( invited talk \) 10 00 10 20 linear complexity products shift register sequences , r h \( austrian academy sciences , vienna , austria \) 10 20 10 50 coffee tea session 6 ii chair 10 50 11 20 weaknesses synchronous stream ciphers , j , r j \( , ku leuven , belgium \) 11 20 11 40 blind synchronization sequences even span , r games j j \( mitre , usa \) 11 40 12 10 constructions correlation immune functions , j , x zhang \( university wollongong , australia \) 12 10 14 00 lunch session 7 digital signatures chair c 14 00 14 30 practical provable secure release secret exchange signatures , b \( aarhus university , denmark \) 14 30 14 50 subliminal communication easy using , g j simmons 14 50 15 10 oss repaired , \( , france \) 15 10 15 40 coffee tea session 8 protocols chair k 15 40 16 00 limitations logical analysis cryptographic protocols , c boyd w mao \( university manchester , united kingdom \) 16 00 16 30 practical anonymous secure voting scheme , k itoh , c park k \( tokyo institute technology , japan \) 16 30 16 50 rights client independent server environment , j \( university , spain \) 16 50 17 20 interactive hashing simplifies zero knowledge protocol design , r \( uc berkeley , usa \) , r \( bellcore , usa \) yung \( ibm watson , usa \) session chair 20 00 24 00 accepted paper security digital mobile communication systems , c park , k , \( tokyo institute technology , japan \) wednesday , may 26 session 9 hash functions chair b 9 00 9 20 one way alternative digital signatures , j de mare \( clarkson university , usa \) 9 20 9 40 attacks hash function , b l r \( aarhus university , denmark \) 9 40 10 10 collisions compression function md5 , b den boer \( , ku leuven , belgium \) 10 10 10 30 find avoid collisions hash function , j \( bull , france \) 10 30 11 00 coffee tea session 10 payment systems chair b 11 00 11 20 single term line coins , n ferguson \( cwi amsterdam , netherlands \) 11 20 11 40 improved privacy wallets observers , r j f cramer \( cwi amsterdam , netherlands \) p pedersen \( aarhus university , denmark \) 11 40 12 10 prevent mafia fraud using distance bounding protocols , brands chaum \( cwi amsterdam , netherlands \) 12 10 14 00 lunch session 11 cryptanalysis chair g j simmons 14 00 14 20 distribution characteristics mappings , l o'connor \( university waterloo , canada \) 14 20 14 40 security idea block cipher , w meier \( , switzerland \) 14 40 15 10 linear cryptanalysis method des cipher , \( mitsubishi , japan \) 15 10 15 40 new types cryptanalytic attacks using related keys , e biham \( technion , israel \) 15 40 16 10 coffee tea session 12 protocols ii chair p 16 10 16 40 reconciliation secret key public discussion , g l \( university montreal , canada \) 16 40 17 10 global , unpredictable bit generation without broadcast , beaver n \( penn state university , usa \) 17 10 17 40 business meeting keywords
18084tm msu edu \( tom \) subject solid state vs tube analog x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 21 davis nicoll sez hmmm seem recall attraction solid state record players radios 1960s n't better performance lower per unit cost vacuum tube systems 'd buy two reasons tubes tv 's radios \( still find \) usually 3x expensive comparable transistors also , ask electric guitar enthusiast type amp prefer , 'll tell tube type , since tubes lower distortion noise transistors 'course , electric guitar types say tubes sound better , dude \) also , transistors advantage waste heat energy use , mainly heaters cathodes tubes tommy mac tom mcwilliams 517 355 2178 wk radius vision increases , 18084tm ibm cl msu edu 336 9591 hm circumference mystery grows
mike diack mike staff tc umn edu subject electronic components etc x xxmessage id dialup slip 1 21 gw umn edu x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 02 32 48 gmt nntp posting host dialup slip 1 21 gw umn edu organization persian cat carpet co x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d7 lines 19 said cipher tape drives 10 00 silly boy , zillions messages like include shipping scsi rom version work 9000 ok , deal live twin cities , email , set time , sure , drop round grab one else min order 20 \( 2 drives \) shipping guarantees good purpose \( look clean \) , technical negotiations model 525 , part 639 revision 17 pin floppy style connector back else go bin life short extended negotiations 10 items \) cheers mike
jmarttila finabo abo fi \( fast eddie \) subject trident 8800cs drivers win 3 1 \? reply tmc spartan ac brocku ca 's message wed , 21 apr 1993 19 43 01 gmt organization turku school economics x news reader vms news 1 24 lines 15 1993apr21 spartan ac brocku ca tmc spartan ac brocku ca writes find drivers wuarchive wustl edu msdos windows3 sub directory think files called zip zip latest drivers available far know downloaded files couple days ago appeared incompatible particular card none svga drivers worked 're probably newer 8900 9000 series jm jouni yo 11 b 25 , 20540 turku , finland 358 21 jmarttila abo fi jmarttila finabo jmarttila utu fi pgp key available via finger jmarttila abo fi
hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) subject welcome police state usa lines 61 reply hallam zeus02 desy de organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron , experiment zeus bei hera article veal 755 utkvm1 utk edu , veal utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) writes article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de \( phill hallam baker \) writes government allows tinpot dictators set shop declare private state drifted anarchy laws control ownership guns batf good reason beleive violated set obtain legal warrant attempted serve met gunfire rang doorbell batf , letter 've sending people , says lost element surprise , went knocked door slammed faces strikes kind strange rely surprise serve warrant knocking door presumably b mount continuous state alert gunmen ready fire people casually walked ring doorbell inside building batf would control trained police officers match bunch bozos playing soldiers expected b anything peacefull citizens would accept search authorized court would turned tank broken door day one phill , batf firefight bd forty five minutes find hard believe expecting peaceful citizens would n't shown live stock trailers would retreated immediately smart move unless meant part cover even narrow opening trucks simply good idea side opening truck would much better , like covered expecting citizens , show hundred officers , clearly visible video carrying sub machineguns , 3 national guard helicopters \? sounds right minimum amount force would consider necessary serve warrant talk politics guns annual dinner michael ordered use 5000 crack troops including members parachute regiment remove approx 250 peace protestors site wanted install cruise missiles even turned flack jacket monitor proceedings dangerous tool women tin opener single action probably cost position prime minister one elders church got arrested heroic action forces ever something national joke phill hallam baker
rcstage1 urc tue nl \( guido klemans \) subject disks copy protected organization eindhoven university technology lines 31 nntp posting host urc tue nl article fan ucdavis edu ez019654 othello ucdavis edu \( victoria milliron \) writes ez019654 othello ucdavis edu \( victoria milliron \) subject disks copy protected date sat , 24 apr 1993 22 16 29 gmt hmmm problem parallel port security keys \? n't used anything hardware key copy protection schemes , n't know drawbacks know companies make claim 're , 've seen cracks autodesk 3d studio floating around \( n't one n't ask \) heard port keys put another computer port instead key , hack reading happens 've told , 've never seen done think 's possible 'd need hardware knowledge software read port ! vamilliron othello ucd edu apologies , vi inhibits communication skills greatly guido klemans internet rcstage1 urc tue nl valid 16 may 1993 carefully , say ' michelle
fr \( peter j hicks \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? reply fr organization advanced computer research institute lines 42 article athena cs uga edu , mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu \( michael covington \) writes article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell topic beaten death year ago seems original question advice problem history lesson think question comes time time people get civil answer concrete problem lead acid batteries often fail disuse \( charged long time \) , 's way concrete floor could cause problem could anyone please explain happens battery cure get back life michael covington , associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu university georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens , georgia 30602 7415 u amateur radio n4tmi
frank d012s658 uucp \( frank o'dwyer \) subject tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts \? organization siemens nixdorf ag lines 21 nntp posting host d012s658 ap mchp sni de article 1993apr26 csrd uiuc edu g skinner uiuc edu writes find unable put two statements together sensible way abortion done mother afford pregnancy refused pay expensive choice birth , statement would make sense case , n't paying birth , mr parker \? , ca n't mother afford pregnancy \? , meaning latter objection \? ca n't ways birth ! pregnancy , topic abortion would hardly arise , would , mr skinner \? frank o'dwyer 'i'm hatching that' odwyer sse ie hens , evelyn conlon
pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu \( david veal \) subject motor voter lines 54 organization university tennessee division continuing education article bigbird williams edu williams edu \( walter gibson \) writes motor voter stuff friend , election , brought point would enable people vote , however , since makes easier get place registration brought analogy one place vote , say , alaska would excessive wasteful petition places vote \? similar idea way encourage people vote making easily accessible , knowing stood , played devil 's advocate said well , would taxpayer 's money go people trouble making dmv , \? right vote merge right vote easily \? draw lines \? well , line honest , extending voter registration hardly analogous one place registration alaska opening new one atlanta always better 've passed certain point friend said obviously extreme actually motor voter bill would save money longer would city pay someone sit town hall spend time filing things 'd push button filling x dmv \( actually someone else , 's need confuse anymore \) countered saying would n't congress , always , get budgets fund committees oversee implementation argument went back forth forever ranging whether 's better people voting , whether even relevant , etc looking opinions anybody got 'em \? \? \? thought motor voter bill passed case , tennessee 's voter registration system \( register mail , way \) nobody interested voting denied access registration requires tiniest bit interest 's part thinking election eleven months prior \( register 's good unless miss years worth elections move \) 's easy register simply n't see value going trying get people registered n't enough even write proper forms sent expect responsible decisions people \? david veal univ tenn div cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu still remember way laughed , day pushed elevator shaft i'm beginning think n't love anymore weird al
gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) subject eight myths national health insurance \( pt ii \) nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu reply gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) organization phds hall lines 163 v140pxgt ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( daniel b case \) writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu \( gary l dare \) writes 're buying insurance much coerced one insurance plan , optional optional doctors accept isolated religeous communities particular ask exemptions \( one e mail christian scientist edmonton verified indeed negative option \) guess argue right particular insurance , far 've come across north take pains keep tabs news home 's optional , n't want basic coverage government 's terms \? said opt , 're basically two things work public insurance wide cover , also universal private plan boast plan fits gaussian curve private sector discovered , 're better offering insurance coverage customers going use \( turns private insurers offering frills effective cartel n't really need compete , put , 're win win situation 're guaranteed turn profit believe , probably figured according sister yuppie , pat back point chamber commerce , sense , 've stopped truly capitalists n't worry competing anymore might say total effect one socialized medicine government providing basics cartel providing extras alternative system , desirable alternative system system \( patients opted , doctors opted , \) insurance ca n't force private insurance company sell plan offer remember actual health care delivered private entities collect public insurance voluntarily , ca n't force private entity spring life pay plus , matter culture values i'm basically anti tax anti government , canadian standards yet ca n't bring make arguments , despite understand 're coming north , 're much likely find someone protesting taxes going defence health insurance premiums one fund basic coverage \( interesting side note new insurance companies started scratch since medicare became standard canada \? actually doubts new ones emerged since ww , scratch western canada , quite quebec part post 1980 quebec miracle \( nationalism , french capitalism \) la groupe des cooper built new tower eaton \( 's \) store les , able catch urban angel cbs 's 'd see well lit one double top ontario , still dominates business north meant new companies , new buildings yes , primarily quebec alberta sorry , musta lost verbose blurb 's really insurance n't alternatives well , realize society 's like saying 's really national defence ca n't hire rambo squad instead even pacifist true , would comfortable system basic care provided government optional , mandatory canada germany , 's mandatory however , negative option must request exemption private sector provide private basic coverage offered option \( quebec case \) tells something know either way , transient situations hard deal since changes private medical care resource take place slower rate ability people fall sick esp light disasters \( e g , \) bad luck \( sudden wave heart disease \) doctor needs 4 6 years training , plus internship specialty training another problem us system resolved n't canada something like ten times proportion gps specialists us \? yes , part reason markets small sustain many specialists , sometimes even one , pretty well gp get paid get training , doctors monopoly might block getting licence already someone business cannot fill appointment book cma doctors monopoly something american ama oriented medical lobby never tells problem , specialty skill often directly pay \( good makes merely adequate \) general practice circumstance , 's hard blame people going specialties , respect people specialties \( okay , md friends \( \) 's question small market dynamics north anything , private doctors hospitals sell services americans generate business inflate effective population served , thus make specialties finally viable \( e , enough customers \) enough sick canadians absolute numbers otherwise personally think approach like germany 's would best companies compete people rochester , little east us , able get almost population covered way uh germany basically uses method , many sickness funds competition fake exists , 're look der spiegel stern \( girlfriend german department uncle private \) ads health insurance canada province , germany paperwork around big corporations regional offices remember provinces population major german corporations germans public health insurance , smaller entities \( actually , basic private firms 'll sell extra insurance fill policies , sort voucher system , one first ideas floated canada , \) remember , germans n't hmo 's telling sign , 'cos rochester 're also company town washington post article recently said canadian doctors often use instead mris , require spinal injections cause seizures headaches mickey , new republic , probably spoke americans said needs \? think people generally like believe easily get high tech treatment even really ca n't afford 'll let canadian md jump verify claim , 've come learn suspect anything american press system much true , 'd take us idiots given insurance installed period liberal tory governments federally provincially , socialists still , would 've pressed real socialized medicine fix things think , using u metric make comparison keeping confirming something right gld je souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go ! ! ! gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
pyron skndiv dseg ti com \( dillon pyron \) subject ammo fire \( waco burning \) lines 52 nntp posting host skndiv dseg ti com reply pyron skndiv dseg ti com organization ti dseg vax support article world std com , world std com \( harry carter \) writes sunshine cco caltech edu \( tom renner \) writes v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu \( p vasilion \) writes imagine happens magazine explodes \? bullets go flying every imho , gunshot wounds actually caused magazines went minor technical point unless cartridge contained \( example chamber gun \) goes , little interest happens quoting hatcher 's notebook sporting arms ammunition institute reported demonstration made taking large quantity metallic cartridges shotgun shells burning fire oil soaked wood cartridges shells exploded time time , general explosion throwing bullets shot distance throughout test men conducting remained within 20 ft fire without injured way material cartridge shells composed usually fly feet tests conducted national rifle association , rifle pistol cartridges exploded heat ordinary carton , neither fragments cartridge cases bullets penetrated cardboard scientists care try kitchen \? \) goes years back \( born year , legally drink \) , tried found 8 ft deep lined 10 ft put large \( one industrial sized beans cans \) stuffed oily rags scraps wood bottom lighting fire , lowered box 38 spc heard pops , one solid bang several thought , boldly climbed find none bullets left , several shells around bottom well boards died smoke inhalation 5 6 shells still live primers ! dillon pyron opinions expressed ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated \( 214 \) 462 3556 \( i'm \) \( 214 \) 492 4656 \( i'm home \) texans vote robin hood need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions , gestures padi dm 54909
howland reston ans net ! usenet ins cwru edu ! news csuohio edu ! vmcms csuohio edu ! r1328 subject gun buy back r1328 vmcms csuohio edu organization csu lines 150 article clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com \( jim de arras \) writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes article 1993apr22 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes article r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs hopefully impact accidental shootings \( especially youths \) , domestic disputes gun available heat emotion anger , maybe keep guns stolen later used street level crime gives idea gun buyback programs impact things \? evidence , please \? please n't saying joe making point tha evidence effect gun buyback programs hopefully effect may prevent injuries deaths one types common incidents 're research associate urban child research , perhaps comment us ratio accidental gun death rate rate accidental death single causes \? follow perhaps sort justification amount effort anti gunners spend trying convince country accidental gun related death among children u serious problem firearms fifth leading cause unintentional deaths among children ages 14 n't understand ratio accidental deaths important guns n't kill many children car accidents difference severity 1 , 000 deaths 10 , 000 deaths \? trying use accidental gun related deaths among children justification gun control needs convinced accidental gun deaths children serious problem \? assumed humane person would concerned 10 year old got hold parents gun bedroom drawer accidently blew away one friends death serious wanna discuss match control \? firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 fault one negligent persons , gun say child unintentionally shoots someone negligent \? hate repeat jim , like told joe , attempting way justify gun control 're right , death serious point joe said anti gunners try country accidental gun deaths related children serious problem guess assumed everyone thought problem , n't want discuss match control n't equate book matches loaded 9 millimeter either n't confuse issue please n't say tired old nra line guns n't kill people , people kill people sure , people kill people without guns easy access guns makes lot convenient guns n't kill people , people easy access guns kill people anything , gun buyback programs symbolic offerings community sense , think might little good please explain think symbolic offerings good point , gun buyback programs almost always run police departments might \( stress might \) little \( stress little \) good giving people impression police attempting respond interpersonal gun violence unique way overall , thought made clear think gun buyback programs useful providing false hope , , intent \? jim , i'm saying i'm saying good thing police talked run gun buyback programs , get impression really think impact community ask component program , say well , answer question , , false hope intent think intent show folks police attempting something interpersonal gun violence whether effective look , ca n't measure impact programs using sort pre test post test evaluation , point \? must symbolic nature police essentially saying look , gun lying around n't want , 'll give 50 care community , joe could think way measure effectiveness programs could become rich famous know vast majority guns used youths brought school youths daily basis \( 135 , 000 youths \) obtained easily quickly , personal friend , often borrowed parent without knowledge suggest go back look wherever saw statistics suspect 'll find look carefully 135 , 000 number students estimated carried weapon \( necessarily gun \) school least past year , number students carry gun school daily well joe , suggest talk center prevent handgun violence centers disease control look carefully see greatly underestimate presence guns lives youths cphv reports 135 , 000 youth bring guns school daily 400 , 000 bring guns school least year cdc estimates 1 0f 25 high school students carried gun school least 1990 cdc also says 1 2 million elementary aged , latch key children \( kids come home school empty house \) , access guns home california schools reported 200 increase student gun 1986 1990 , 40 increase 1988 1990 florida reported 61 percent increase gun incidents schools 1986 87 amd 1987 88 statistics 200 increase california schools , eh \? gun control working fine , ! n't anything gun control , talking \? thus willing follow man claimed messiah \( got news folks , big cheese crazy planet presently , would carrying gun holding children danger \) holding kids \? time reality check , son kids children people inside believed forces evil outside waiting kill would send children door believed \? okay , maybe worded wrong dad meant put children situation \( fortified compound \) harm could come act messiah opinion i'm saying koresh control children directly , would hope whatever messiah would let innocent children die claimed messiah people followed , tell parents free children instead letting burn alive \? thanks reality check joe , real religion different make wrong \? even assuming koresh actually made decision , verdict still jim , listen , said i'm religious whatsoever , understand \? religion nothing could care less religion okay \? put children situation wrong , pure simple difference good jim , progressive diverse person world , different allowing kids exposed tanks tear gas , yes jim , different wrong
klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) subject uh , der , whassa deltabox \? nntp posting host ccu umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , canada lines 24 news dtc hp com jjb dtc hp com \( jim brewer \) writes article ccu umanitoba ca klinger ccu umanitoba ca \( jorg klinger \) writes beleive 's called frame nothing paint wo n't fix someone riding gsxr \? referring propensity dent spill course work art jorg klinger gsxr1100 new arch eng services lost horizons cr500 think umanitoba , man ca embalmer it175 anonymous squidonk
andy ie utoronto ca \( andy sun \) subject asante ethernet adapter lciii math chip organization university toronto , department industrial engineering lines 17 hi , told local sales asante come lciii pds ethernet adapter optional 68882 socket board question fpu performance degrade put 68882 pds card socket instead motherboard \? intuitively , math co processor always placed close cpu , sure good apple 's called processor direct slot comes throughout anyone know answer experience asante lciii ethernet adapter \? thanks advance andy andy sun \( andy ie utoronto ca \) 4 creek road , toronto computing coordinator ontario , canada m5s 1a4 department industrial engineering phone \( 416 \) 978 university toronto fax \( 416 \) 978
mlee post royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) subject laws god \( kind loving god ! ! \) organization royal roads military college , victoria , b c lines 85 article 1993apr23 sei cmu edu , dpw sei cmu edu \( david wood \) writes mlee ra royalroads ca \( malcolm lee \) writes laws written israelites , god 's chosen people god expressly set apart rest world israelites direct witness god 's existence disobey god knowing god real would outright denial god therefore immediately punishable remember , laws written different time applied god 's chosen people jesus changed living age grace sin longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation available everyone , jew gentile alike sorry late thread , thought god supposed constant never changing reconcile common christian view paragraph \? god never changes still loves us sending jesus one attempts reconcile mankind nature god changed also , 're 1 reconcile kind loving god ! ! judeo christian view sin one time immediately punishable death \? killing people sinning god 's way showing kindness love \? sinning face god punishable immediate death several ot passages back god god cannot tolerate sin midst israelites knew ! still , chose disobey destroyed people kind loving \? god gave every break could end , really choice matter seeing failing achieve salvation , sent son die us ultimate sin offering live age grace 2 fact longer admission part made mistake \? sent son consolation us , love 3 living age grace , mean sins , god us eternal hell die , rather killing us immediately \? , eternal damnation example kind loving god ! ! \? hey , let 's fair moment kind loving mean free ride amount give take relationship parents supposed kind loving mean children whatever want \? ! part parent means administering punishment child fault part parent means giving instruction god tests us trial life may grow stronger teaches right wrong consequences actions made clear us , heaven hell god follow warned us , would good parent parenting , parent issues warning follow , children take parent 's words seriously god telling us ears hear life 's trials , see folly rather warns us consequences rejecting comes time judgement follow \? peace , malcolm lee \) curious dave wood
zellner stsci edu subject hst servicing mission lines 34 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article 1993apr28 lambda msfc nasa gov , bday lambda msfc nasa gov \( brian day \) writes rdouglas stsci edu \( rob douglas \) writes try land shuttle big huge telescope back could problems shuttle n't designed land much weight payload hst really much heavier spacelab \? \? \? hate obvious , orbiter emergency early stages original hst deployment mission , would land hst bay indeed worried one concern possibility would lose motor something way , make orbit one low give hst useful lifetime atmospheric drag believe decision deploy hst even projected lifetime short six months fact got excellent orbit , upper envelope shuttle never heard serious consideration hst might brought would horrendous cost transporting , cleaning , testing , certifying hardware ground , addition lost observing time cost second deployment mission risks might get good orbit second time , would probably still need \( third \) servicing mission years gyros components wear better two servicing missions space \( could well happen \) bring hst take ben
mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com \( mike jones \) subject 200 sbs 200 hrs reply mjones donald aix kingston ibm com disclaimer posting represents poster 's views , necessarily ibm nntp posting host fenway aix kingston ibm com organization ibm aix esa development , kingston ny lines 41 dans fore csd sgi com \( dan steinman \) writes last night giants mets radio broadcast hank ted discussing fact 16 players ever hit 200 homeruns stolen 200 bases career \( hojo batting \) anyone list \? easy sounds come could n't mays , mantle , aaron , henderson , morgan , bonds \( dad \) , \? \? \? frank robinson \? molitor \? yount \? guessing 'd interested see whole list first , please watch line lengths everyone second , franklin rescue ! 's list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 586 204 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 256 309 yount 235 247 208 253 sandberg 205 297 players marked still active numbers 1991 's 15 16th probably rickey henderson , listed 184 hr , 994 sb george brett , listed 186 sb , 291 hr surprises \? probably reggie , , wynn steals maybe morgan \( lot people \) homers kind surprised realize sandberg many steals , though n't surprised number 200 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dreams real last say life \? ellis
greer span nasa gov subject vandalizing sky x added forwarded space digest organization via international space university original sender isu vacation venari cs cmu edu distribution sci lines 32 space digest v16 487 , hathaway stsci edu writes protests proposals put giant billboard orbit , 'd like add protests come strictly practical consideration pollution levels acceptable research activities professional astronomers would complain rooted aesthetics regards , wm hathaway baltimore md mr hathaway 's post right money , little lengthy short , orbiting billboard would trash , way billboard earth trash billboards make place look laws many places prohibiting use light pollution complaints mainly attempt find tangible reason orbiting billboards people n't feel morally justified complain grounds things would defile beauty sky regular orbiting spacecraft respect , since like abstract entities , billboard space would like beer somebody thrown side road trash dale greer , whose opinions confused center space sciences , university texas dallas greer greer utdallas edu let machines multiply , work many , let people use lao
dave dal farra gpz750 bnr ca subject contemplating ottawa san francisco ottawa trip x xxdate fri , 23 apr 93 15 47 14 gmt nntp posting host organization bnr ltd x useragent nuntius v1 1 1d9 lines 73 article l quantum qnx com david gibbs , dagibbs quantum qnx com writes greetings rec motorcyclists coming labour day weekend year , \( world science fiction convention \) held san francisco \( california \) planning attend speculating trip motorcycle instead plane \( initial thought \) live \( would \) ottawa , ontario \( canada \) planned take two weeks trip , giving 5 days travel time either side weekend looks like distance 2800 miles \( 4500 km \) distance calc correct road distance \( crow flies \) , day 5 days spend entire time interstates , would total waste time , 's least 8 hours road every day including eating peeing sight seeing etc contemplating similar trip , ottawa la , maybe ottawa austin tx figured wanna trip magnitude enjoy , 'd get ass major interstates spend lots time enjoying country around e stopping camera , meeting towns people , going bars sense spending 2 weeks looking helmet closest human contact found gas pump estimated 'd need least 4 5 weeks make trip worthwhile looking input , opinions , comments , remarks 1 sanity question 8 \) 2 suggested routes \( note , getting important , schedule n't leave lot room side trips , routes \) try stay interstates ! ! ! 5 anybody wants join trip \( even part distance \) depending route plans , may heading way far least detroit 7 anything comes mind , think might relevant call 're book motorcyclists large number books highlighting best roads motorcyclists along general route 're looking carry listings bed states accept motorcyclists order free catalog within 'll probably find books covering absolutely needs trip 's motorcyclist cycle world classifieds thanks input david gibbs \( dagibbs qnx com \) kawasaki concours dod 585 k dave f 's true say money talks mine spoke said drink ! '
moses pan arc nasa gov \( julie moses \) subject temperature dark sky organization nasa ames research center lines 29 anyone reference \( something look , recollections \) temperature \( night \) sky seen space \? note , talking temperature microwave background radiation things sky mbr i'm total blackbody temperature thermal radiator would see , disregarding \( shielding \) sun nearby large warm objects i'm sure help , \( local \) interstellar radiation field measured modeled various groups remember things correctly , models involved contributions three different bb sources , 's obvious temperature background radiation local area however , following references give interstellar radiation density function wavelength , integrate average appropriate manner get effective temperature like witt johnson \( 1973 \) astrophys j 181 , 363 368 henry et al \( 1980 \) astrophys j 239 , 859 866 et al \( 1983 \) astron astrophys 128 , 212 229 see , references date , might get started hope helps , julie
kempmp phoenix oulu fi \( petri pihko \) subject atheism survey organization university oulu , finland lines 88 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 replied query via e mail , think issues worth discussing public mta \( unix amherst edu \) wrote research atheism , part involves field research net following survey directed towards readers group , intended get data basis atheistic belief would recommend take look 1 \) dictionary 2 \) alt atheism faq files notice atheism belief system , common atheists belief , lack belief deities cannot imagine anyone could research atheism without paying careful attention issue first , 've tried structure questions answered variety ways , varying amounts detail 's possible give succinct answers everything , 's enough keep typing hours , i'm sure imho , poor method real survey , although i'm sure replies might keep amused hours also , tend use lot anthropological buzzwords like belief system although know might contend n't beliefs , skeptical towards everything understand know mean think buzzwords abbreviations rather phrases required get precise idea across , know mean surveying individual philosophies , fine , 's strictly atheism atheism another , godless version theistic explanations life , universe everything belief system , could hardly called philosophical system atheism lack belief deities twist meaning , assume kind philosophy agree comments questions contact atheists \( \) conversion atheism \? \( certainly involvement alt atheism counts net discussions affected beliefs \? \) would also like hear able anyone \? convinced beliefs acquired wholly rational means \( proofs non existence god , etc \) , perhaps , least part , means \( alienation mainstream religion , etc \) \? question contains contradiction terms beliefs cannot acquired rationally could , would beliefs ! also seem rather strange ideas people become atheists alienated religion necessarily become atheists , think little religion seems requires considerable time honest inquiry find religions actually intellectually dishonest virtual realities never beliefs certainly find question quite odd lack belief acquired \? acquire lack belief easter bunny \? \( believe santa , though \) \) extent feel understand universe beliefs \? phenomena universe human existence \( anything physical phenomena problem existence evil human affairs \) feel adequately dealt beliefs , lacking explanatory method \? question make sense , since atheism deal issues worldview , philosophy , belief system sigh , n't seen good , well thought survey usenet three years point surveys net , anyway \? abstract opinions \? petri ' '' petri pihko kem pmp mathematics truth ! ' ' ' ' ' pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics rule ' ' ' sf 90650 oulu kempmp game ' finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry game
vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) subject pin \? \? nntp posting host chip reply vanderby mprgate mpr ca \( david vanderbyl \) organization mpr teltech ltd lines 11 article skelly amiganet chi il us , skelly amiganet chi il us \( sean kelly \) writes anyone know pin outs 27c512 eprom \? \? bought several , none come pin outs ! info would appreciated good source information data type library particular library local college technical school offering courses electronics would data books nature
opstad apple com \( david opstad \) subject quickdraw gx \( rest inside mac 's due \? \) organization apple computer inc , cupertino , ca lines 17 nntp posting host apple com article 1993apr13 msc cornell edu maynard leah msc cornell edu \( maynard j \) writes gx take place 32 bit qd add \? right 32 bit kinda aesthetically pain places hacks upon hacks maintain compatibility original qd think things like cast would lot cleaner ditch entire mess start get \? maynard sorry delay replying message showed today \( 23 apr \) apple com quickdraw gx replacement quickdraw two live quite happily together may write app uses gx want , may write hybrid app uses dave
mjs sys uea ac uk \( mike sixsmith \) subject paint jobs uk organization university east anglia lines 13 lisa alex com \( lisa rowlands \) writes anyone recommend good place reasonably priced bike paint jobs , preferably essentially london area thanks lisa rowlands try dream machine , 've seen examples work looks pretty good 're though
nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) subject insurance discount nntp posting host seahunt imat com organization seahunt , san francisco ca lines 25 article 1993apr20 organpipe uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu \( erik asphaug x2773 \) writes way , i'm moving bay area 'll insuring bikes , registering ease shock , somebody cost insuring \? tucson cost 320 \( full \) 200 \( liability \) two , per agent daniel sui , 's done quite good job might check , 's located san francisco specializes bike insurance daniel sui insurance 338 balboa street san francisco , ca 1 415 752 michael michael nelson 1993 cbr900rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod 0735
eliot engr washington edu \( eliot \) subject review audi s4 quattro organization skulls 'r us lines 175 distribution world reply eliot engr washington edu \( eliot \) nntp posting host lanmola engr washington edu 's since 've reviewed car today paid visit old friend whose love audis overwhelming makes sucessful living selling without delay , get 1993 audi s4 1 \) servotronic steering familiar servotronic , name speed variable power steering manufactured zf used audis bmws servotronic past couple months , based magazine reviews drives audi 90 cs quattro audi fwd quite happy report s4 , servotronic suppose due fat tires , servotronic loaded , far best implementation tried far perfect , mind , 'd much happier option could refuse , s4 , longer consider bad enough feel entire car ruined steering still tad light , accurate suppose chassis sends back much information makes driver 's hands feel accuracy s4 's steering also room improvement consider s4 's steering better japanese competition , primarily japanese believe feel engineer completely 2 \) engine ! pressure 110 miles clock expect s4 producing anywhere close putting 10000 miles later , still , car packs terrific punch turbocharged machine , unusual encourages lazy driving e low revs , high gear flexible one could hardly believe 's 2 2 liters displacement move 3700 pound car around fashion maximum torque available 1950 rpm 7200 rpm redline , car pretty much left third day translates speed range something like 20 100 mph one normally associates large capacity technical achievement throttle response right good atmospheric engine fact , would even put engines shame almost unnecessary fun use feature rev engine familiar , s4 engine features 15 seconds additional turbo boost passing sort like lighting jet fighter , one could , right foot , third gear , blast car 30 80 moments simply gas far numbers go , maximum torque available mode shoots 270 lb ft incredible 2 2 liter takes moments develop well worth waiting since quite heavy car , one 's body parts flung around like say , corrado vr6 acceleration smooth strong , somewhat similar riding accelerates runway takeoff also , one treated distinctive entertaining whistle turbo entertaining sound come refined sounding 5 banger yes , audi refined 5 point 7200 rpm sounds 2000 outstanding , quite standards good 6 , e g 12 valve bmw 'd say terms refinement , e willingness rev , , lack harshness full acceleration better many however , lost refinement process characteristic 5 cylinder bark made older engines , terribly refined 20 valve turbo 5 sounds pretty except whistle full boost subjectively , 'd rate vw vr6 engine far musical turbo 5 also , audi 's v8 also far musical , race car pressed , though none match grunt hint engine 's true capacity occurs one taking rest turbo come near stop extra inertia permanently engaged 4wd system , one somewhat delicate feeding clutch prevent embarassing stall alternately one could use revs cases small price pay fantastic engine think audi america offer automatic option car , offer \( though extremely small numbers \) 5 speed much v8 characteristics engine perfect automatic ironically , europe available none offered land marketing ugly heads 3 \) chassis 've noticed audis tend wide wheels relatively modest tire widths car comes size 225 50 uncommon however , attractive 5 spoke wheels less 8 inches wide , bulge whatsoever combined flared wheel arches , s4 mouth macho , yet look rough concrete , becomes immediately clear new 100 body style made significant advances structural rigidity well road noise suppression suppose two inter related , digress use cliche , s4 's body feels like carved stone flex totally undetectable , even going rough roads super rigid body like stiff springs stiff cause excessive harshness s4 's ride quality never worry lexus , also draw comparisons trucks pony cars servotronic steering already mentioned consider inhibit spirited cornering able test car 's cornering powers without much think new concept work car fat tires , talking understeer oversteer practically meaningless banked highway ramp , went slow started applying power went around could feel g forces build point skin face sideways yet car totally completely obedient throttle steering inputs felt limits even close approached g forces , entire affair going around curve strangely tell car want end story think starting relate reviewers highly impressed honda 's clinical efficiency unable fall love car brakes good stop car pretty well , though 've read prone fade surprised , since s4 brakes base audi 100 fwd harder pads would help , turn would lead wooden response cold starting see trend among luxury sports sedan makers extra weight offset additional braking capacity ls400 's fade performance nothing brag neither q45 's legend 's brake fade days seem forgotten virtue everybody 's attention focused anti lock capability 4 \) comfort car sporty abilities , comfort levels also excellent cabin beautifully appointed , carbon fiber panel inserts place wood trim '92 s4 expected gizmos heated seats , power seats , seat memory , power glaring trip computer , removed audi n't gotten work reliably yet means car boost gauge real disappointment taking account much turbo dominates performance unusual germans , s4 comes honda style moonroof , well intelligent dial sunroof position rotary switch noise levels , including engine tire noise low would n't consider advantage area significant enough sway potential buyer 5 \) conclusion even though able afford audi s4 sticker price , car bargain one takes account offer competition 20 valve turbo 5 real gem , even n't produce ferrari sounds luxury sports sedan maker offers utter security quattro wheel drive , worth extra money safety features also top notch 1994 side impact standard compliant , elegant automatic seat belt dual airbags 100 series audis outstanding government crash tests gets thumbs overwhelmingly capable rather exciting eliot
jk87377 lehtori cc tut fi \( kouhia juhana \) subject xv problems organization tampere university technology lines 47 distribution world nntp posting host cc tut fi article 1993apr27 nessie mcc ac uk c c lilley mcc ac uk writes 2 \) yes xv 8 bit program bug never claimed bug xv import 24 bit images 8 bits handy facility , bug never claimed bug would suggest colour editing 24 bit file \? would group 'related' colours edit together \? global changes could done unless software different much complicated want colour editing 24 bit image , need much powerfull software readily available commercially guess edited note away article posted many newsgroups wrote something making color modifications quickly 8bit quantized images saving image file process make modifications 24bit image makes sense , main use xv viewing images many changes image , keep modifications buffer making operations 24bit image , simplify operation list unnecessary operations lastly , jpeg compression algorithm applied image arbitrary bit depth , bug never claimed bug tried kept sure n't claim jpeg noting else compression algorithm , know jpeg \( misunderstood wrote done many places far \) also missed \( \) wrong xv however , wrote juhana kouhia
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject wings win organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 63 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu gballent hudson uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) writes article vela acs oakland edu , ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) writes gballent vancouver uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) writes stuff deleted quinn took vancouver several years ago , last year , missed playoffs ca n't recall missed playoffs year hiring probably quinn improved team non playoff calibre serious contender murray took detroit , 500 team contender win norris division possibly even stanley cup contender last year bryan murray took , wings make playoffs considered possible contender jacques demers first arrived , last two years , respectively , embarrassed first round chicago , failed make playoffs \( time , might add , five teams norris \) 's true vancouver make playoffs many year quinn came , years smythe division lot mean lot tougher division norris , also known , division vancouver play edmonton calgary , legitimate stanley cup contenders , eight times year , detroit got play toronto minnesota , edmonton hardly even force league , smythe even mighty san jose sharks , period time vancouver improving , everybody norris \( except st louis \) detroit improve keep competition division improve lot get better competition norris bryan murray inherited team little talent really good players , yzerman , burr , probert , \( doubt dispute whether burr probert good \) rest either green rookies washed veterans reason got far years murray came due coaching demers , , least first , got every last ounce effort possible team , even coaching began degrade quinn improved team murray since taking gm quinn one example better gm murray number reasons detroit n't bad shape standings wise murray took quinn took , outlined , murray better personnel work outset quinn , exception yzerman one player cannot alone make team stanley cup contender , i'm sure everyone reading agree 'll able see better team really improved face conference final \( assuming n't get knocked , like last year \) gregmeister randy
dante nmsu edu \( kenneth carver \) subject isolation amplifiers eeg ecg cheap organization new mexico state university , las cruces , nm lines 9 distribution usa nntp posting host dante nmsu edu several isolation amplifier boards ideal interface eeg ecg isolation essential safety connecting line powered equipment electrodes body boards incorporate burr brown isolation module currently sells 133 , plus op amps produce overall voltage gain 350 400 like new guaranteed good 20 , schematic included please email data ken carver
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject baltic states realism 'virvir' drivel reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 131 article 1993may13 husc3 harvard edu harvard edu \( mikhail \) writes mental disease patient repeats sentence response kind outside intrusion \? mutlu similar symptomatic , anyway difference bigger database level understanding , dear friend mutlu probably thought 'd nice help genocide apologist get point besides , article reflects abundant ignorance ignorance probably main reason historical revisionist mess even make nazi criminal armenians laugh soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul power tear away veil illusion us create certainly possible severe artificial life support system imagined 'ethnic purity' us falsely trust structure support heart beats alien land \( sahak melkonian 1920 preserving armenian purity \) appropriate analogy jewish holocaust might systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted least 30 40 percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated eye witnessed atrocities published u 1926 title 'men like ' references abound \( rachel bortnick jewish times june 21 , 1990 \) 1 men like leonard hartill , bobbs co , indianapolis , 1926 memoirs armenian army officer translated english published member american near east relief organization gives whole account genocide turkish moslem people armenia organized executed armenian government army also gives account countless massacres atrocities turkish people armenia 2 adventures near east rawlinson , dodd , meade co , 1925 eyewitness account genocide british army officer 3 world alive , personal story robert dunn , crown publishers , inc , new york , 1952 another eyewitness account genocide american officer 4 sardarapat serves lousanne avetis aharonian , armenian review magazine , volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) 17 \( spring 1964 \) memoirs chief armenian delegate paris peace conference published armenian review magazine 13 articles volume 15 \( fall 1962 \) volume 17 \( spring 1964 \) memoirs include interview aharonian british foreign minister lord curzon mentioned genocide discussed official report mentioned lord curzon report british high commissioner , sir oliver wardrop turks kurds wherever find whatever circumstances find turkish children also killed form danger armenian nation ' \( hamparsum 1914 \) 1 1 varandian , history dashnaktsutiun , p 85 source hovannisian , richard g armenia road independence , 1918 university california press \( berkeley los angeles \) , 1967 , p 13 addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia 130 , 000 square miles estimated population entire region 1886 4 , 700 , 000 , 940 , 000 \( 20 percent \) armenian , 1 , 200 , 000 \( 25 percent \) georgian , 2 , 220 , 000 \( 45 percent \) moslem latter group , 1 , 140 , 000 tatars paradoxically , barely one third transcaucasia 's armenians lived erevan guberniia , christians constituted majority three seven uezds erevan uezd , administrative center province , 44 , 000 armenians compared 68 , 000 moslems time russian census 1897 , however , armenians established scant majority , 53 percent , guberniia risen 1916 60 percent , 670 , 000 1 , 120 , 000 inhabitants impressive change province 's ethnic character notwithstanding , , eve creation armenian republic , solid block 370 , 000 tartars continued dominate southern districts , outskirts ereven border persia \( see also map 1 historic armenia map 4 administrative subdivisions transcaucasia \) 1920 , '0' percent turk closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village little resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages became untenable inhabitants fled fields , bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped course found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed whole length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki hot plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet , villages , except howling wolves jackals visit paw scattered bones dead ohanus appressian men like p 202 serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
sherwood adobe com \( geoffrey sherwood \) subject hercules vlb \? article adobe 1993apr22 organization adobe systems incorporated lines 28 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 couple months ago tried hercules graphite card pretty nice board fairly fast , seemed quite compatible even seemed handle svga modes occasion time buying vlb system , checking card sent back wanted vlb card , purchased fahrenheit vlb card card fairly fast , 70 hz refresh 1024x768 , compatible cd roms \( svga thing think merely cause old graphics board able run higher resolution programs modern boards tried gotten straight answer anybody \) monitor using 17 magnavox , also tops hz really pretty good match wife purchased viewsonic 17 , looking graphics card drive want 70hz refresh , would really like handle cd roms tried orchid p9000 , neither things \( though robert say 70hz possible driver data base \) thoughts go back hercules supposed coming vlb version graphite around end march heard precisely zero since anyone know card actually released , capabilities \( price \) \? info would appreciated geoff sherwood
neal cmptrc lonestar org \( neal howard \) subject opinion means organization computrac inc , richardson tx lines 16 article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes article nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil dsc3jfs nmrdc1 nmrdc nnmc navy mil \( jim small \) writes article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) writes stuff deleted oh , real honest goodness flamewar fired even relevance motorcycling amazing neal howard '91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac , inc \( richardson , tx \) doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer opinions mine , computrac 's let us learn dream , gentlemen , perhaps shall learn truth august kekule' \( 1890 \)
jake rambler eng sun com \( jason cockroft \) subject pens fans reactions organization sun microsystems , inc lines 10 distribution world reply jake rambler eng sun com nntp posting host rambler eng sun com i'm really impressed bowman 's coaching tactics 's answer every move brooks thrown pens susan dart \? jake
student tc umn edu \( timothy richardson \) subject mary 's assumption organization productions lines 31 article may 9 05 41 32 1993 athos rutgers edu brian , usc edu writes one last point ex catholic attempted explain catholic doctrine assumption asserting connected belief mary die correct summary catholics believe dogma assumption carefully phrased avoid saying whether mary die fact , consensus among catholic theologians seems mary fact die would make sense christ died , mother , waited foot cross , would want share death article good short summary traditional christian teaching concerning death mary also good question virgin mary micheal walker tells story well would like add eastern orthodox church celebrate \( falling asleep \) theotokos \( mother god \) icon day shows mary lying bed surrounded apostles weeping christ , resurrected glory , holding seems small child , fact , mary 's soul already christ heaven assumption mary one confirmation us christians christ indeed conquer death general resurrection last day disciples surprised find mary 's body missing grave mother savior first christians gave birth word god would saved pray orthodox church , prayers theotokos , savior save us timothy richardson student tc umn edu
atae spva ph ic ac uk \( ata etemadi \) subject xv 3 00 escaped ! nntp posting host prawn sp ph organization imperial college science , technology , medicine , london , england lines 23 article bglenden colobus cv nrao edu , bglenden colobus cv nrao edu \( brian glendenning \) writes alas , stop using brian brian glendenning national radio astronomy observatory bglenden nrao edu charlottesville va \( 804 \) 296 says licence non profit organisations rights copy , use , distribute etc cover nrao \? sure hope covers us please someone let know buy licence best regards ata \( \) mail dr ata etemadi , laboratory , space atmospheric physics group , imperial college science , technology , medicine , prince road , london sw7 , england internet arpanet earn bitnet atae spva ph ic ac uk ata c ucl ac uk span spva atae atae uucp usenet atae spva ph ic nsfnet relay ac uk
cougar jpl nasa gov \( mike \) subject stop argument ! xv 3 00 24 bit ! \( oh make \) organization jet propulsion lab mid infrared camera project lines 13 nntp posting host cougar jpl nasa gov stop ! stop ! stop ! stop ! argument getting silly ! xv 3 00 handles 24 bit images without quantizing arguments moot , null , void please stop obsolete version program besides , generate tons new shareware licensing uses instead mike mike infrared photon jockey cougar jpl nasa gov less science dead guys ms dos 4 01 ms dos 4 01 windoze dr dos 6 0 os 2 2 0 linux x finally getting something useful done pet 386
mark tomlinson equinox gen nz \( mark \) subject com ports 5 8 summary keywords x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 organization equinox networks lines 8 anyone know standard port addresses com ports 5 8 \? \( standard sort ! \) please e mail , n't read group often mark tomlinson \( mark garden equinox gen nz \)
asd sgi com \( tom weinstein \) subject revised technical summary clipper chip organization silicon graphics inc lines 49 distribution world reply asd sgi com nntp posting host asd sgi com reply denning guvax acc georgetown edu 's message 21 apr 93 19 26 15 0400 article 1993apr21 3465 guvax acc georgetown edu , denning guvax acc georgetown edu writes chip includes following components skipjack encryption algorithm f , 80 bit family key common chips n , 30 bit serial number \( length subject change \) u , 80 bit secret key unlocks messages encrypted chip see chip used , imagine embedded telephone security device \( \) suppose call someone device pushing button start secure conversation , security device negotiate 80 bit session key k device end key negotiation takes place without clipper chip general , method key exchange used diffie hellman public key distribution method session key k established , clipper chip used encrypt conversation message stream \( digitized voice \) telephone security device feeds k chip produce two values e k , encrypted message stream , e e k u n f , law enforcement field , transmitted telephone line law enforcement field thus contains session key k encrypted unit key u concatenated serial number n , encrypted family key f law enforcement field decrypted law enforcement authorized wiretap installed one interesting thing notice use chip key encode session key law enforcement field used encryption algorithm seems like would possible create device would otherwise compatible , would send bogus law enforcement field might render device unusable normal devices 's sort validation involving law enforcement field , could certainly used modified devices course , irrelevant nsa backdoor algorithm , make possible defeat key escrow system wilt thou seal avenues ill \? pay every tom weinstein debt , though god wrote bill esd sgi com
raman cs cornell edu \( v raman \) subject programs ms windows summary looking screen access program ms windows keywords talking workstations , programs , screen access window organization cornell univ cs dept , ithaca ny 14853 lines 20 hi , use pc screen access program \( ibm screen reader \) speech synthesizer \( accent sa \) would like find screen access programs windows platform heard couple beta testing , would like find addresses prices etc thanks , raman v raman raman cs cornell edu tel \( 607 \) 255 r 272 office hall , department computer science , cornell university ithaca ny 14853 6201 res 226 bryant avenue ithaca ny
djohnson moose uvm edu \( tigger \) subject ip numbers ethernet cards organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines 12 hi ! possible either pin configuration software programming change ip numbers ethernet card \? thanks advance ! dave tigger ! djohnson moose uvm edu wonderful things ! ' dave c johnson
scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) subject centris 610 flaky \? organization university illinois urbana champaign lines 21 stimpy css itd umich edu css itd umich edu \( andrew \) writes article c5ydqc 6jk cs uiuc edu scott cs uiuc edu \( jay scott \) writes c610 working great , buggy \? lot time , 're dealing someone financial interest selling machine , get lot opinion \( opposed factual information , etc \) sounds like guy experience one flaky centris 610 formed encompassing opinion rest 610 's 've seen lots yes , sounds like , spend da bucks , want make sure i'm right e mail \( self confessed \) apple hater listing common problems c610 , nothing ca n't get fixed warranty , anybody else \? great lousy \? jay scott scott cs uiuc edu
thompson apple com \( paul thompson \) subject need advice riding someone pillion organization apple computer , inc , cupertino , california lines 20 distribution na nntp posting host apple com keywords advice , pillion , help ! rwert well sf ca us \( bob wert \) writes traditional signals slow ! ! go faster ! ! hafta go pee ! ! etc \? \? \? experience pound fists back means slow seriously , concentrate smooth , make experience much enjoyable even normal causes passenger bob , ease throttle pulling clutch eliminate 's work , passenger appreciate ! also , 've found using rear brake normal helps keep bike diving much routine stops , makes much easier passenger hang 're going sport riding , passenger reach around tank n't bear weights arms \( bike dive less \) paul thompson apple computer
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject limiting govt \( employment \( concentrate \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 36 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com \( misc legal trimmed \) article encore com , rcollins ns encore com \( roger collins \) writes let explain possible means libertarian style government one last time dominate philosophy society held ok kill neighbor sport , government system \( except strong tyranny minority \) could keep people killing dominate philosophy society holds ok people steal coerce long 's done vote government machine libertarians realize legal stealing coercion society society non murderers would vote right murder , society non would vote ability coerce libertarianism became dominate philosophy , people would good job restraining government \( extent libertarianism dominate \) means 1 educating people become libertarian well , 's obvious conclusion , given train logic corollary must waste time party run candidates educational program shown results followups p l cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
jliukkon klaava helsinki fi \( juha matti liukkonen \) subject soundblaster irq port settings organization university helsinki lines 52 pdb059 ipl jpl nasa gov \( paul bartholomew \) writes clip clip interesting would care explain , soundblaster pro card printer card sharing irq 7 successfully \? assure set irq 7 problem computer dtk 286 12 ibm clone running ms dos derivative os , obviously please take note following exactly happens , slightly simplified explanation technically , irq line means device \( printer adapter , soundblaster , modem , hard disk , \) signal cpu something 's happening , please take note cpu programmed handle signal usually operating system ms dos , interrupt vector used store address function handles interrupt , basic dos n't care whether printer reports 's ready print stuff simply ignores interrupt dos prints , looks lpt buffer 's character , wait check 's , copy new character lpt port since irq 7 ignored printer interrupt , 's free use adapters case , sb multitasking otherwise advanced os , kind printing approach n't work \( precisely , wastes lot cpu cycles \) hence , ca n't share irq 7 lpt1 sb 're running unix os 2 whatnot another issue sb digitized sound uses interrupts sb plays plain music , cpu simply tells play told otherwise digitized sound interrupt required notify cpu output ends new data needed , however , hook two \( \) com ports one interrupt , use one time interrupt handling routine ports , see port data came , course , applies devices \( like lpt \) well remember , greatly simplified parts , think gives general picture correctly enough cheers , juha liukkonen , aka jliukkon cc helsinki fi university helsinki , dept lost souls trust , know i'm hammer
\( \) subject clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders organization trinity college , hartford , ct lines 27 article rdt usenet ins cwru edu , bu008 cleveland freenet edu \( brandon ray \) wrote perhaps 've rock last days \? batf fbi federal agencies clinton admitted front news cameras janet reno \( future attorney general \) gave full briefing planned , gave go ahead maybe , possibly , makes bit responsible \? perhaps 've rock since , say , turn century one man supposed review every single freaking governmental action , every day \? 's executive branch reviewed plan said go , n't architect n't , hand , implementing yes , responsible sense briefed ! shit happens sounds like callous way dismiss deaths 90 people , ca n't understand people get bent accidental death suicide \( \? could take months \) total fucking sociopath child molester crazed followers opposing u intervention bosnia like billy boy said think people much time hands , screwed priorities ho joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu
umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) subject winnipeg vs vancouver nntp posting host gibson cc umanitoba ca organization university manitoba , winnipeg , manitoba , canada lines 85 article 205 unixhub slac stanford edu grogers ravel slac stanford edu \( greg rogers \) writes mkr stud \( \) writes read canucks fan ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! winnipeg going kick butts badly going able sit weeks joke prediction fourth game winnipeg winnipeg 6 vancouver 2 \( 2 0 , 1 2 , 3 0 \) selanne , steen score couple goals ! ! ! winnipeg win stanley cup playoffs jets fanatics ha ha ha normal jets fans pretty good fourth game physical play 've seen first three games posts continued throughout year jets canucks selanne smash bure boards full n't take cue daryl wait 'till make fool \? \? \? i'm going predict anything canucks 3 1 coming back home , i'm going swing around series wrapped tony bravo tony , sick mindless , fanatical , blind faith jets fans could predict end world accurately playoff series admit mindless , , blind faith canucks fan unlike , need vent spleen upon world great team know , confidence , 's enough granted , jets finished season hot , canucks trouble , vancouver built reputation playoff team ask flames fan may win every series , alway fight end 'll admit last year great , combine work ethic past new present , tough beat \( note say would every team meet destroy greatest player playing today \) , like canucks fan , would love see take cup feel good chance make smythe , 50 50 shot detroit \( ca n't see losing st louis \) pittsburgh makes cup , 'd put money \( yes even 're facing canucks \) buffalo , montreal , quebec beat pittsburgh , 'd choose winner detroit take cup oh , one parting note jets fans many times made finals \? 8' \) go canucks greg unfortunately helped taint otherwise brilliant display maclean canucks tied jets tightly thought mailing btw , greg next time , n't fall asleep geography class , 's pretty sad fellow norway spell winnipeg properly guy north america ca n't one thing long vancouver nhl \? many championships \? oh yeah go arena see one , two , six championship banners hanging 3 stanley cup banners , 3 cup banners nhl guide says vancouver cup \( many times town ! \) daryl turner r h contact winnipeg jets internet umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca fidonet 1 348 701 1 348 4 \( please route 348 700 \) tkachuk zhamnov , sel nne , shoots , scores ! jets win cup ! jets win cup ! essensa vezina ! housley norris ! sel nne calder !
thomas tornblom nexus comm se \( thomas tornblom \) subject asante ethernet adapter lciii math chip reply andy ie utoronto ca 's message tue , 20 apr 1993 22 02 25 gmt organization communicator nexus ab lines 24 article ie utoronto ca andy ie utoronto ca \( andy sun \) writes hi , told local sales asante come lciii pds ethernet adapter optional 68882 socket board question fpu performance degrade put 68882 pds card socket instead motherboard \? intuitively , math co processor always placed close cpu , sure good apple 's called processor direct slot comes throughout anyone know answer experience asante lciii ethernet adapter \? thanks advance 've heard pds slot clock 16mhz , compatible old lc style boards , fpu socket close cpu clocked 25mhz guess board designed lciii get 25mhz clock extended pds socket real life thomas rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 751 08 uppsala , sweden
healta saturn wwc edu \( tammy r healy \) subject go hell ! ! ! lines 31 organization walla walla college distribution na lines 31 article cbnewsj cb att com decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) writes decay cbnewsj cb att com \( dean kaflowitz \) subject go hell ! ! ! date tue , 20 apr 1993 13 11 38 gmt article 27k portal hq videocart com , dfuller portal hq videocart com \( dave fuller \) writes jsn104 psuvm psu edu \( \) writes blashephemers ! ! ! go hell believing god ! ! ! ! prepared eternal damnation ! ! ! mean prepared \? \? surrounded thumpers like proven hellish enough i'm even dead yet ! ! well 's prepared got one big beach , gel pack ice things , big coleman cooler 've loaded miller draft \( like miller draft , sue \) , new pair new balance sneakers , sony watchman , couple cheese popcorn n't decided wear yet one wear eternal damnation \? dean kaflowitz wear nicest boxer shorts bring plenty spf 45 'll grab bathing suit , ! ! sound good enough , dean \? every poster invited ! ! ! tammy trim healy
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( ed bourne \) subject sad mac \( scsi \? \) question organization university waterloo lines 20 hooked old external mac powerbook 230 reformatted drive , copied files powerbook except , deleted files powerbook \( biggest error , sigh \) rebooted whole set chimes death get following sad mac error , ran norton claims bad scsi driver suggests used apples disk tools could n't update scsi driver claimed use , could n't even mount thing \( though could see checking scsi bus , turning booting machine first \) error refer \? right track \? anything short drive , since need data ! thanks ed bourne
organization queen 's university kingston qucdn queensu ca subject wanted adb mouse , lines 2 wanted apple adb mouse keyboard contact paul email address asap paul g
fw world std com \( forrest \) subject summary responses research oracle password security summary oracle password encryption , security keywords oracle rdbms os 2 unix network password des organization world public access unix , brookline , lines 68 original post building oracle v6 database serve repository information considered proprietary confidential want verify security oracle passwords apply security checking techniques use nix systems specifically would like use crack , something like check encrypted data easily guessed passwords use would depend oracle using unix password encryption scheme , anyone know case , method used \? methods security checking audit oracle environment would much appreciated article scratch surface security considerations , comments requested \( email fw world std com \) thanks people responded , usenet oracle corp common response suggest use oracle audit features ops passwords control access \( opinion ops included suggestions use use \) also advised use table views access control one important security consideration networked installations ops accounts presume client host provides user authentication os 2 server ops users secure least secure machine network hence probably define ops accounts systems pc 's , limit access ops accounts data security concerns unix oracle servers provide disabling ops access network \( option \) , relying host security local processes internally oracle provides powerful well documented \( sic \) audit mechanisms dba use monitor system data access tools used track primary security risks within oracle environment oracle password security based proprietary usage des encryption oracle corp states algorithm prone cleartext attack difficult claim substantiate since algorithm unknown concern users choose easily guessed passwords cracker gain access oracle database files host operating system , could extract password data apply cryptanalysis techniques learn users passwords security risks go , scenario pretty low severity certainly intruder access raw database files , access data cracker could break passwords , however , could substantial damage without mechanism 's , leaving audit trail would point valid users present oracle \( like unix \) provides native means ensuring passwords computer security , important defense educate users safe choice passwords techniques well discussed internet rfc 1281 crack manual , \( available ftp archive servers \) , unix \( r \) system security \( curry , david addison 1992 \) forrest fw world std com boston scientific corp watertown
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject free moral agency organization sgi lines 19 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de , i3150101 dbstu1 rz tu bs de \( benedikt rosenau \) writes article fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) writes \( deletion \) , mr conner bobby mozumder myth , performing artist , real moslem crackpot , \? know everything read minds n't tell us \? side note n't telling one cannot say sure bobby firm believer \? say religious beliefs \? think 's insightful comment especially time people like bill projector conner complaining posting parodies jon
dnichols com \( nichols \) subject maxtor 2190 info needed \( unix pc software sale \) nntp posting host organization data , vienna va lines 28 article cup portal com thad cup portal com \( thad p floryan \) writes article colinm cunews colinm max carleton ca \( colin mcfadyen \) writes anyone know jumpers set maxtor 2190 \? \? 2190 came vs2000 would like use pc useful info maxtor drive deleted since 3b1 normally one hd , would jumper c1 select first \( possible \) drive address 2190 second drive 3b1 , jumper 2c however , thad , note said would like use , also note strange cross posting \( probably \) , sure exactly sort machine intends mount pc \( clone \) , 2c jumper would correct choice 've left cross posting effect , since i'm sure newsgroup would really reading \) email dnichols com ! uunet ! ! dnichols dnichols com donald nichols \( \) voice \( days \) \( 703 \) 704 2280 \( \) \( 703 \) 938 black holes god dividing zero
goofy cs unlv edu \( david \) subject test reply goofy cs unlv edu \( david \) organization unlv computer science electrical engineering lines 2 test see works
srv pacbell com \( jon costa \) subject riders welcome join group organization pacific bell lines 9 riding group , generally speaking , people mind another rider tags along \? distinct feeling may welcome tagged along group last weekend jon faults like car headlights others seem glaring
andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) subject sorry folks \( read \) nntp posting host spot colorado edu organization university colorado , boulder distribution na lines 32 article acsu buffalo edu mckee cs buffalo edu \( douglas mckee \) writes article 1993apr22 28445 ucsu colorado edu , andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes article 1993apr21 9999 ucsu colorado edu andersom spot colorado edu \( marc anderson \) writes \( date 1 26 93 \) washington \( upi \) war drugs get fresh found source article joke heh heh seemed pretty damn convincing start n't notice smiley end article , hints caught well , n't hoot ! \) read group bunch ppl fearing information big bad evil govt happens case ordinary joe netter , decided would create distribute misinformation ppl buy bs posts like \( know , forwarded copy post office mate , turned around \( although wo n't admit sorry joe ! \) ready get fight f r f e u r e ! ! ! \) please , 're going hold govt \( admittedly still problems \) high standards , must n't follow \? electronic freedoms go far i'm extremely sorry got message several months ago \( quite bit clipper chip proposal \) posted different newsgroup startling well , guess verified source least extent reposting marc
ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) subject drag \? \? organization st elizabeth hospital , youngstown , oh lines 43 reply ak954 yfn ysu edu \( albion h bowers \) nntp posting host yfn ysu edu previous article , gwm spl1 spl loral com \( gary w mahan \) says could someone explain make sense drag coefficients \( e cd \) mentioned magazines understand lower numbers signify better aerodynamics mean real world way calculate new top speeds \( assuming car rev limited top speed \) mileage benefits identical car cd reduced 34 33 's pretty complex , cd n't whole story either cd cars usually calculated based frontal area car large car good cd could get drag force smaller car poorer cd calculate drag use formula 1 2 rho v 2 cd drag force \( lbs \) , rho local air density \( ft 3 \) , v velocity \( ft \) , frontal area \( ft 2 \) note pieces called 1 2 rho v 2 sometimes called dynamic pressure \( fancy aero term air pressure force \) note power p f v p power \( ft \) , f force , drag case \( \) v velocity \( ft \) note put whole equation one \( substituting force \) get velocity cubed term 's huge increases power result little increases speed ditto decreases cd 100 mph car reduce cd 34 33 , new top speed \( sound trumpet fanfare \) 101 mph sorry al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke 'blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes n't know girls ca n't play guitar \? mary chapin carpenter
mbeaving bnr ca \( michael beavington \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk keywords wind nntp posting host bmerh824 reply mbeaving bnr ca organization bnr ottawa , dms software design lines 15 article 1993apr23 1564 news columbia edu , rdc8 cunixf cc columbia edu \( robert castro \) writes decide windy ride \? easy dragging pegs driving straight line actually 've driven 50 mph side winds little difficulty beav mike beavington dod 9733 v65sabre mbeaving bnr ca employer idea i'm talking !
mserv mozart cc iup edu \( mail server \) subject homosexual issues christianity lines 83 mls panix com \( michael siemon \) writes may 7 01 08 16 1993 14381 athos rutgers edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu \( bryan whitsell \) writes one thinks homosexuality christianity compatible check romans 1 27 corinthians 6 9 timothy 1 10 jude 1 7 ii peter 2 6 9 gen 19 lev 18 22 \( name verses pertain homosexuality \) homosexual christians indeed checked verses used us incredibly perverse interpretations others simply address issues see verses clearly address issues , however , couple seem though require incredibly perverse interpretations order seen condemning homosexuality deceived neither fornicators , idolators , adulterers , effeminate , homosexuals , thieves , covetous , drunkards , revilers , swindlers , shall inherit kingdom god cor 6 9 11 would someone care comment fact seems say fornicators inherit kingdom god \? apply homosexuals \? understand fornication sex outside marriage accurate definition \? thing sex marriage bible \? understanding always new testament blesses sexual intercourse husband wife , however , willing listen scriptural evidence contrary shall lie male one lies female abomination also shall intercourse animal defiled , shall woman stand animal mate perversion lev 18 22 23 notice verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows verse prohibiting appears homosexual intercourse know new testament passages clearly condemn , even mention , intercourse animals argue legitimacy homosexual intercourse believe bible condemns bestiality perversion , , \? , verses would cite prove bestiality perverted sinful \? could verses cite refuted interpreting differently \? one christian \? way , subject sexual desires choose many people would regard perverted sinful , please understand asking questions towards fellow people alternative orientations believe , however , one read bible attitude bible trying say want bible say choose give perverted sexual desires believe bible tries tell , whether like , things sin frustrating times , days really got , n't blame god , blame sin mark 's ambiguity meaning words passage quote liberal conservative sources seem agree homosexual general term homosexuals , likely meaning like homosexual prostitute n't meant think biblical evidence , nature evidence ca n't quote one verse solve things think argument fornication circular homosexuality wrong \? 's fornication fornication \? 're married n't married \? church refuses marriage ceremony church refuse marriage ceremony \? homosexuality wrong order break circle 's got reason think homosexuality wrong clh
ptm xact demon co uk \( paul thomas mahoney \) subject uimx motif application generator organization x act solutions limited x newsreader tin 1 1 pl3 lines 8 looking information regarding uimx believe application front end generator tool motif \( among others \) someone given contact \? need get hold guide , something like paul mahoney , x act solutions limited smail 20 shipley lane , , sea , east sussex , email ptm xact demon co uk cix compulink co uk phone 44 424
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject die zeit massacre turkish cypriots organization zuma distribution world lines 83 article jtsilla ccs northeastern edu jtsilla ccs northeastern edu \( james tsillas \) writes got e mail topic decided reading thought would nice share response everyone following scholarly source \? source pierre , road turkish cypriot exodus northern cyprus , social science , boulder , 1982 , isbn 000 7 well , according book c 've read looks like situation much complicated either us suggest needless say nationalism greek turkish side strong began april '74 agean \( usual \) government turkey ioannidis junta july 15 assasination attempt makarios \( president cyprus \) plotted ioannidis , ruling dictator greece , fails makarios england journalist sampson takes coup led greek officers cyprus national guard turkish forces anticipation begin landing north shore island 20th july caused welcomed collapse dictatorship 24th mr returning well , forced disagree greeks started massacring turkish population cyprus 1974 1974 , turkiye stepped cyprus preserve lives turkish population nothing simple historical fact unfortunately , intervention late least victims mass graves containing numerous bodies women children already showed fate planned peaceful minority people turkiye know quite well greece greek cypriots never abandon idea hellenizing cyprus remain eternally hopeful greece , someday , whatever cost parties involved history speaks greece sole perpetrator invasion island sent troops july 15 , 1974 attempt legitimate government makarios release nikos sampson , member eoka national organization cypriot fighters convicted terrorist , shows mentality continues survive greece one forget sampson dedicated life turks cyprus , committed murder achieve goal , tried destroy island 's independence annexing greece course , greek governments bear consequences irresponsible conduct turkish cypriots simply seeking guarantees preclude repeat performance fanatical eoka assurances perfectly implemented , every reason expect local greeks misguided enough past mistakes occasion , turkish side may find satisfactory act reluctance go , unacceptable remain always defensive cyclical vicious attacks therefore would better true federation two separate sections living obligatory peace , rather another armed confrontation would started greeks decisively terminated turks present greek government trying turkish population western thrace forbidding ethnic religious rights , established international treaties one might better advised remember turkiye serve greece well offer membership european common market bait concessions may doom turks cyprus extinction viable course greece friends neither turkish lives turkish honor placed bidding block sold commercial gain serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
jeff lab queensu ca \( wes garland \) subject cd rom drive help reply jeff lab queensu ca organization terminal velocity kingston lines 24 hello ! recently acquired cd rom drive , mitsumi \( mfg feb 93 \) hey , free \) i'm quite pleased performance , seems crash lot use exe came desqview 2 31 thoughts \? mainly happens bbs running background load program load program , n't crash , start disk , stop program start bbs ok , otherwise big problems \( ie , solved cold boot \) anybody mail help , would eternally grateful \( unfortunately , feed group little unreliable would appreciate could mail , means , post i'm sure somebody else would like know \) cheers , wes wes garland , queen 's university terminal velocity kingston kingston , ontario , canada fidonet 1 249 128 usenet access \( free \) jeff lab queensu ca \( school \) v 32bis 613 542 300 2400bps wes garland inc com \( home \) send email set full access account
jek cu nih gov subject goedel 's ontological proof lines 22 fred gilham asks \( may 11 \) whether true kurt goedel wrote version ontological argument existence god yes , publish , published oxford university press german english translation volume 3 , due appear fall , collected works meanwhile , find summary , perhaps whole thing , article jordan howard sobel called goedel 's ontological proof book saying , edited judith jarvis thompson \( sp \? \) , published mit press 1987 professor c anthony anderson philosophy department university minnesota written article , goedel 's ontological proof , appeared magazine faith philosophy , v 7 \( 1990 \) 291 303 discusses objections various critics raised goedel 's proof , offers revised version proof vulnerable objections , james kiefer
bbn com \( bob \) subject message mr president know happened \? organization bbn , cambridge lines 38 reply bbn com nntp posting host snoopy bbn com reply goykhman apollo hp com 's message 20 apr 93 14 11 06 gmt article apollo hp com goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes article netcom com bskendig netcom com \( brian kendig \) writes used tank knock hole wall , released non toxic , non flammable tear gas building non toxic tear gas \? ! \? know tear gas \? upon time happened room someone threw tear gas grenade \( supposed joke \) sensation incredible felt eyes torn apart remember us bunch young men early 20 's running like herd wild animals , knocking door jumping windows \( thank g first floor \) ca n't imagine kind stuff used children , worst effect might physical effects much psychological effect without fully understanding cause many years ago , accidentally exposed tiny dose tear gas \( athens , street leading american embassy 'd march broken tear gas must stumbled remaining patch gas next day \) aside tears , feeling sick stomach , etc , really horrible psychological effect suddenly falling pieces knowing happened horrified wondered disease health problem \( n't find march tear gas till hours later \) imagine horribly might young children suddenly crying feeling sick , weak , control body knowing cause ``this gives us chance try gas peace '' yeah , right 30 bob
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject even today armenian genocide innocent muslim people continues reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 29 source channel 4 news 19 00 , monday 2 march 1992 2 french journalists seen 32 corpses men , women children civilian clothes many shot dead heads close less 1 meter source morning news 07 37 , tuesday 3 march 1992 bbc reporter live line claimed saw 100 bodies azeri men , women children well baby shot dead heads short distance source morning news 08 12 , tuesday 3 march 1992 disturbing picture shown many civilian corpses picked mountain reporter said , cameraman western journalists seen 100 corpses , men , women , children , massacred armenians shot dead heads close 1 meter picture also shown nearly ten bodies \( mainly women children \) shot dead heads azerbaijan claimed 1000 civilians massacred armenian forces serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
mnemonic eff org \( mike godwin \) subject dorothy denning opposes clipper , capstone wiretap chips originator mnemonic eff org nntp posting host eff org organization electronic frontier foundation lines 17 article c614bj bk6 agora rain com jhart agora rain com \( jim hart \) writes security system depend secrecy keys secrecy algorithms dorothy denning cite source , please mike mike godwin , ariel rose godwin mnemonic eff org born 4 15 93 4 34 pm cambridge \( 617 \) 576 7 pounds , 1 5 ounces , 19 75 inches long eff , cambridge new citizen electronic frontier
laszlo eclipse cs colorado edu \( laszlo nemeth \) subject shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host eclipse cs colorado edu organization university colorado boulder , pizza disposal group lines 23 article wrs 4180 wslack uucp , wrs wslack uucp \( bill slack \) writes various posts shafties ca n't wheelies mike imposible due shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground good point john buddy mine told thing bmw r80gs dumped clutch 5 , \( hey , ito nly revved 7 \) know \? right ! uh , folks , shaft n't diddleysquatpoop get front wheel ground 5 , ferchrissake ! may able bounce front actually wheelie see shaft effect rear loads front shaft bike accelerate starts scraping corner laz
nickel ucs indiana edu \( independent distributor computer seller \) subject window 3 1 restart computer \? nntp posting host nickel ucs indiana edu organization indiana university would like know cause window 3 1 problem every time lines 22 files 30 buffers 30 device c windows himem sys device c windows smartdrv exe double buffer stacks 9 , 256 also autoexec bat c c windows smartdrv exe l rem 5 0 setup path c c dos c windows c fax c mouse c set temp c windows temp mouse 2 rem c dos share seen problem \? please help thanks
squish endor uucp \( shishin yamada \) subject laser vs bubblejet \? organization aiken computation lab , harvard university lines 56 thought would add 0 02 deskjet thread got first one college 5 years ago 've happy hp user deskwriter macintosh past 5 years got one months release got software revision 1 0a \( i'm rev 3 1 family \( sister father \) purchased dw 's seeing mine go one year \( stuck trusty imagewriter ii 's \) original dw gone 5 years moderate personal use would say gone least 15 , 000 sheets , around one \( small \) ink cartridge every 3 months brother might take dw \( i'm probably gonna give \) , looking upgrade color dw chief advantages disadvantages 've found years advantages quick \( 2 3 ppm \) , quiet \( roomate sleep 's printing \) , appletalk \( unfortunately original n't , look buy used home phonenet appletalk connectors , home , use dad 's one dw ! \) , cheap \( run 300 \) btw , upgrade older dw 's color appletalk , dunno hp still upgrades , received many offers \( n't ned however \) also , crisp laser quality output wonder \( used really impress imagewriter dot matrix people much , charge 0 25 per sheet stop college dorm neighbors bothering hours night \) disadvantages ink used hard find , n't cheap , n't originally water proof hp done wonders ink \( dunno 's still toxic \) , still running \( run around damp boston rain , get completely soaked \) ink runs 14 15 small carts \( get mine tek chicago , think 're 12 \) ink carts used say 're dated 6 months , n't think say anymore stick 4 month supply \( 3 carts \) use cheap laser print paper \( fooling long time laser xerox paper also good \) n't happen , unless brand new ink cart grab paper smudge soon comes machine disadvantages postscript \( advantage speed , usually \) ways around ghostscript freedom press software solutions bet hp probably ps prototype inkjet , wo n't release fear hurting lj sales end , primary advantages laser true postscript \( unless go cheap lasers \) , fused toner \( , even soaking water \) lasers slightly sharper , instance needed precise layouts printed circuit board transparencies found color phaser postscript \( thermal wax transfer \) work best make pcb negatives directly onto transparency well , hope babbling helped squish endor harvard edu
parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) subject cb750 c flames exhaust ! ! ! ! nntp posting host acs3 acs ucalgary ca organization university calgary , alberta lines 44 article 1993apr20 9199 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) writes article 1993apr19 bnr ca dave dal farra gpz750 bnr ca writes reminds great editorial bruce reeve couple months ago cycle canada pissed cops pulling dangerous spots \( often blind corners \) one day decided get revenge cruising factory test bike , noticed cop pulled motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad , hit bike 's kill switch passing cop , happened bending towards offending motorist exposing passing world ignition system dead , pumped two three times fill exhaust canister 's volatile raw fuel took stab kill switch light ignition send flame swell 's direction wonder cycle cops read cycle canada \? although agree spirit action , hope rider 800 takes replace exhaust system destroyed owner 's manual explicitly warns behavior exactly reason destroy way one good reason straight pipes \) regards , charles dod0 001 rz350 ps anyone know opti oils sells direct case load \? dealership charging 12 99 jug injector oil , 's breaking \) within span last weeks heard elements separate threads , conjoined time , struck together form new chord within hollow echoing gourd unknown net person
skorpio usask ca \( john \) subject playing midi music ati stereo f x cd sound card organization university saskatchewan , saskatoon , canada lines 30 nntp posting host skorpio usask ca running windows 3 1 386 enhanced mode sound card ati stereo f x cd sound card claims adlib soundblaster compatibility using windows , play midi files came sound card however , ca n't play midi files belong midi editor ftp 'd cica also ca n't play midi files generate \( also cica \) try play files , dialog box pops saying music may play right , asking wish disable message future normal , something set wrong \? would really like able write music computer play also ftp 'd game windows \( cica \) music wo n't play either get dialog box midi ati ext midi , ati midi , vanilla tried using three help , suggestions , shoulders cry , etc would appreciated much john p john cs usask ca
clinton hq campaign92 org \( white house \) subject clinton press briefing george stephanopoulos 4 20 93 organization mit artificial intelligence lab lines 874 nntp posting host life ai mit edu white house office press secretary immediate release april 20 , 1993 press briefing george stephanopoulos briefing room 12 36 p edt mr stephanopoulos know , president going come 1 15 p indulgence , think 'd like president award national teacher 's award first teacher leave , whatever , 'll make statement waco take couple questions hold going live 's done , probably work lot better q 'll give us time 's problem q 've got two minute warning problem mr stephanopoulos yes , problem 's 1 15 p q teacher would walk mr stephanopoulos think 's i'm trying work think 's best way handle q ask series questions way president handled yesterday \? mr stephanopoulos sure q , instance , talk justice department would come discuss happened waco whether attorney general president \? mr stephanopoulos n't take step even farther back look whole sequence events contact justice department white house know 've said , president spoke attorney general sunday , sunday afternoon good discussion , 15 minutes attorney general informed president wanted raised objections obviously , implicit authority president go forward raised objections went forward discussion general nature incident , yesterday morning around 11 00 , president spoke attorney general brief discussion happening waco know , fire broke compound think confusion think confusing minds fire , actual day spoke number contacts number different levels white house yesterday afternoon justice department white house informing us decisions , would like fbi briefing waco attorney general press conference president issued statement frankly , yesterday afternoon , know , fair amount confusion exactly happening ground waco , think wanted careful president say anything much better sense actually happening ground fairly clear happening ground waco , president issued statement spoke attorney general yesterday evening q hour \? mr stephanopoulos quite late believe returned holocaust museum took tour holocaust museum last night q went dinner mr stephanopoulos believe briefly yes , went dinner spoke attorney general last night n't know exact time think relatively late said , think dee dee reported , wanted tell thought handled difficult situation well , good job tough situation , try get sleep , , spoke morning follow waco , 're going afternoon know , president announcement make 1 15 q ever talk webb hubbell yesterday , last night , morning \? mr stephanopoulos knowledge , q webb hubbell point man white house \? mr stephanopoulos webb hubbell general white house liaison several people talked webb attorney general running operation q tell sleep well , done good job \? tell get sleep \? mr stephanopoulos think sleep well done good job n't know exact words think sounds right q mean , sleep well implications conscience whether feel badly mr stephanopoulos well , mean , think everybody feels badly situation q understand , whether issue blame brought mr stephanopoulos think 's spirit , nothing spirit offered entire administration certainly attorney general face difficult decision , difficult situation yesterday thought handled well , best could q well , think mishandled \? mr stephanopoulos speaking warm words friend q think situation mishandled \? mr stephanopoulos president q retrospect \? mr stephanopoulos president stands decisions law enforcement agencies , decisions attorney general accepts full responsibility time , think want look future figure exactly happened , full review , make sure make sure n't happen kind thing n't happen , least know handle q much know going go ahead \? know made case explained outlined case action say sunday precisely action \? mr stephanopoulos n't think specific operational detail going happen think general discussion action , action think , noted , asked general questions trying get sense things considered n't minute minute detail operation q well , , going , 're going use tear gas \? mean , \? mr stephanopoulos believe want go take action would increase pressure compound , hopefully spur towards sort movement q george , ever conscious political decision made , even discussion president mr stephanopoulos mean , close contact justice department president accepts responsibility time mean , wanted , clear happened factual could decisions made responsibility ground make recommendations attorney general operational control president obviously accepts responsibility , stands attorney general q george , report television today n't know one members cult said going courthouse fbi started fire also picture yesterday tv smashing building fire broke question , white house absolutely certain fire mr stephanopoulos evidence fire started david koresh inside compound every bit evidence q president ask attorney general , particular date , ask possible consequences either death injury \? mr stephanopoulos n't know specific questions general questions decision going made q general questions ask generally , \? mr stephanopoulos think asked , considered consequences considered recommendations \? n't know asked question , \? n't know asked specific question q tell terms stuff 's come since information provided listening device koresh getting increasingly violent \? mr stephanopoulos , i'm certain much specific detail got know generally said recommendation 's prepared make , mean , decision 's prepared make 's based recommendations receiving field intensive questioning involved , know precisely detailed beyond q president 's understanding yesterday \? one people went compound couple weeks ago came weekend speculation may told law enforcement people something precipitated action yesterday \? mr stephanopoulos first 've heard think go fbi attorney general said indications inside compound danger clear negotiations broken judgment experts involved negotiations situation going get better also concern agents working long beyond time teams normally work attorney general said , concern fact replacements place could stand , concern safety factors came play also considered advice number psychologists experts david koresh compound would go back attorney general said make best judgment , given information time obviously , regret loss life 's terribly unfortunate situation wish could turned differently , n't take away judgments made time q george , president know going use tear gas \? assault compound \? mr stephanopoulos n't know n't believe given lot detail exactly operation would go n't know q along point , george , say whether plan presented president attorney general way end standoff one way yesterday \? mr stephanopoulos think presented way increase pressure compound , hoped , way move bring n't presented tomorrow day , q president satisfied , , relevant information necessary make decision , b , janet reno relevant information necessary make decision \? mr stephanopoulos oh , think 's satisfied acting best advice best information , 's second guessing way whatsoever q george , 12 hour gap conversations president attorney general \? words , spoke 11 00 n't speak clinton got back dinner mr stephanopoulos think 's likely , yes q call \? time call \? gap called \? mean , dinner called mr stephanopoulos , , think called last night could n't swear , believe called last night wanted talk q going \? mr stephanopoulos know , q know situation \? everyone perished except eight nine \? know details \? mr stephanopoulos n't know details fbi reported waco q watching cnn keeping track going \? n't talking attorney general , keeping track going \? mean , due respect cnn , \? mr stephanopoulos also said , several people white house constant contact counterparts justice full complete information q contacts \? mean , mack mclarty , webb hubbell \? president kept informed \? 's mr stephanopoulos believe mack contact webb spoke several people justice department believe bruce lindsey spoke people justice department either bernie vince also contact different times day people justice department fully briefed fully informed q told morning president may spoken chance may spoken webb know 's true \? mr stephanopoulos think 's chance may n't believe , think 's certainly chance may point n't believe think last contact day yesterday directly justice department 11 00 phone call attorney general white house fully informed minute minute basis happening waco happening justice department q george , decided briefing would done attorney general \? mr stephanopoulos attorney general q white house communications staff ever involved decision \? mr stephanopoulos told q ask go nightline macneil lehrer stuff \? part mr stephanopoulos q advice white house night , day \( laughter \) mr stephanopoulos yes , good job q decide president 's reaction situation written statement , traditionally white house 's way president issue , appear personally saying anything \? mr stephanopoulos well , n't intent said , wanted wait information hand president also making statement today president made statement yesterday morning president fully involved q turned less successful operation , statement president paper attorney general already given amounted major facts mr stephanopoulos well , first statement president , statement president , number one q mr stephanopoulos number two well , first number two , attorney general q gave statement early morning thing starting move mr stephanopoulos right gave one yesterday 's giving one today , second point q happens written statement sort communications policy thought process involved \? president wants put written statement \? mr stephanopoulos knowing knew time , thought appropriate president thought appropriate put written statement expressing regret expressing support attorney general 's q appropriate personally something \? mr stephanopoulos well , personally statement 's statement name q george , yesterday briefing n't say president took full responsibility happened mr stephanopoulos certainly q , said mr stephanopoulos 's right , susan q well , think go back transcript , mean , unless miss something mr stephanopoulos 'd love q janet reno said took full responsibility said made decision , fbi mr stephanopoulos president takes responsibility absolutely q took responsibility right mr stephanopoulos check transcript q considering little known going inside compound , even , little known , washington calling mass suicide \? mr stephanopoulos well , think knowing know given actions david koresh , painfully clear control q 's stretching little bit kids concerned , though , n't , george \? mr stephanopoulos think entirely different matter mean , think david koresh must bear responsibility deaths children , absolutely clearly intent creating kind apocalyptic incident , 's q 're still operating completely assumption , right \? mean , evidence , know evidence mass suicide mr stephanopoulos evidence inside compound set fire compound , led deaths inside q n't quite hear might ann 's question , n't quite hear time clinton put statement \? know dee dee said stuff 6 00 p , president put mr stephanopoulos 6 35 p , 6 40 p q right evening news went air \? mr stephanopoulos , right information working q dee dee confirmed morning investigation president going announce going administration run investigation someone outside make sure 's colored would political stake , particularly atf whose actions already mr stephanopoulos think clearly atf justice department bear responsibility investigation 's rule , often investigations like , sort independent involvement well run treasury justice q confident problem getting mr stephanopoulos absolutely q george , president reach anybody else get advice meeting janet reno \? else white house sat meeting \? anyone else justice \? mr stephanopoulos n't believe anybody else time phone call monday , n't meeting q sunday mr stephanopoulos sunday phone call , n't meeting believe might bruce , beyond , think talked attorney general q george , said phone call , said want go take action , said , force think talking \? n't know tear gas , exactly idea approving \? mr stephanopoulos think approving action increase pressure q q n't matter \? mr stephanopoulos , mean q information terms would proceed \? presumably would wanted know , minute minute , general sense mr stephanopoulos think knew recommendation ground recommendation law enforcement agencies n't know q say recommendation mr stephanopoulos action increase pressure n't know exactly told whether going told tank going go left wall punch hole window , whether told generally moving forward way would increase pressure n't know q 's hard imagine asking , though q janet reno presented best advice go forward , would agreed \? mr stephanopoulos ask general questions advice recommendation gave time would repeat based unanimous recommendation law enforcement agencies involved q george , would seem question exactly detail president informed nature operation going come elsewhere take question mr stephanopoulos absolutely yes q get answer come back us \? mr stephanopoulos yes q tell us never meeting strategy session others decided , put written statement president janet reno television broadcasts \? mr stephanopoulos never never q never called justice department said anyone janet reno , 're one needs front explaining \? mr stephanopoulos q happened way spokesman , one ever saw bill sessions mr stephanopoulos made decision attorney general important operational officer charge , person made decision , go take questions tragic incident q guidance white house \? mr stephanopoulos certainly n't object q \( laughter \) , i'm sure n't object , suggest \? plan mr stephanopoulos absolutely q strategy \? mr stephanopoulos q clear \? mr stephanopoulos q notify \? mr stephanopoulos certainly knew q happened great detailed process clearing talking every public information officer every every rock every place government something major could occurred without discussion public information people least justice department \? mr stephanopoulos attorney general made decision attorney general wanted go forward seemed like good decision good decision good job q let ask way , george , hindsight would handle \? mr stephanopoulos think handled well q would n't change thing mr stephanopoulos change \? q way white house handled part start finish mr stephanopoulos well , think 's awful broad question 're certainly going review one reasons investigation look ways future something like see learn incident like see learn handle 're talking specifically issue press conferences , , would n't make change q two questions first , going tv , white house people outside media consultants came idea \? 's reminiscent guys campaign mr stephanopoulos \? q i'm thinking like watching clinton nightline draft story watching clinton mr stephanopoulos 's absolutely comparison yesterday law enforcement incident incident ended tragic deaths many , many people attorney general involved decision attorney general made decision felt responsibility interest public information go take questions press order make sure questions answered , fantastic job q second question , someone knows clinton well , understand 's sort hard believe might asked detailed questions intended \? words , came said , i'm going put pressure 's hard see clinton , 's fairly intelligent , asking q kind \? mr stephanopoulos attorney general said ask questions , ask general questions n't minute minute account conversation q long conversation \? mr stephanopoulos think 15 minutes q telephone conversation \? mr stephanopoulos yes q george , federal cost standoff ever consideration terms stepping pressure mr stephanopoulos n't believe , q george , keep saying president takes full responsibility , refer decision president accept fact commander chief , ultimately decision \? mr stephanopoulos n't know commander chief law enforcement action , military action clearly takes responsibility decisions law enforcement agencies involved taken government mean , think 's ambiguity q accepting decision well , saying 's decision \? 's difference mr stephanopoulos matter fact , decision object decision clearly takes full responsibility q george , briefing gone little 15 minutes , see lot things exchanged exactly spend 15 minutes talking general \? 's long period time phone conversation mr stephanopoulos awful long phone conversation important phone conversation think brit asked take question , 've said would q one things reno said last night buck stops think direct quotation president agree case \? mr stephanopoulos president says accepts full responsibility think attorney general saying made decision , 's going accept responsibility comes 's shrinking , neither president q point conversation last night president attorney general morning , ever offer resignation \? mr stephanopoulos knowledge q even fire yesterday , republicans capitol hill calling investigation white house concerned timing requests trying make political hay situation \? mr stephanopoulos n't want cast questions motives requesting investigation want investigation , 'll full complete investigation q forum answer brit 's question \? put written statement \? wires \? answer question 've taken \? mr stephanopoulos i'm sure q george , remind us president yesterday afternoon , , meetings involved \? mr stephanopoulos 'll try remember series meetings different members staff afternoon certainly monitoring situation waco getting periodic reports well see cnn well believe saw fair amount fbi press briefing well q reports would come mack mclarty , would think \? mr stephanopoulos mack talked , bruce talked , talked q george , follow helen 's question , conversation morning discuss statement last night response question whether would resign \? say , n't know felt need say \? i'm reassure n't \? come \? mr stephanopoulos n't know even came specifically know bulk conversation discussing go form investigation q n't talk kind remarkable comment last night mr stephanopoulos well , believe asked question q response , president wants , mr stephanopoulos would , think , standard response cabinet members would give mean , 's conditional statement q need talk whether personally whether president wanted mr stephanopoulos n't know talked mean , learned conversation largely investigation n't come ask question talked q take brit package \? mr stephanopoulos certainly \( laughter \) q george , record , president want resign \? know dee dee answered morning mr stephanopoulos absolutely supports janet reno 's good attorney general 's done good job handled difficult situation extremely well q george , president feel janet reno let unanimous professional advice law enforcement experts ground \? mr stephanopoulos president second guessing decision recommendations way say n't regret loss life everybody loss life situation best judgments made difficult situation based best information q george , 15 minute conversation one sunday , correct \? mr stephanopoulos yes q long one 11 00 yesterday morning \? mr stephanopoulos n't know 'll take question , q outside experts consulting , experts within atf fbi \? mr stephanopoulos 'd ask i'm sure know several experts q also , n't replacements people \? unit small \? mr stephanopoulos , think small highly specialized unit think 's one kinds things investigation examine q george , n't factor involving fbi director \? normally , president , wants get information , n't asks attorney general know chain command presidents talk fbi directors case , throughout entire siege , felt could pick phone talk bill sessions , waco , get expertise \? mr stephanopoulos think talked fbi director well beginning situation first broke waco time , attorney general bears ultimate responsibility getting fully briefed attorney general q n't think ambiguous situation director sessions impact way president briefed way evolved \? mr stephanopoulos mean , 's perfectly appropriate briefed attorney general attorney general authority fbi director , 's following chain command press thank end 1 03 p edt 60 04 20
apollo hp com \( barry \) subject best radar detector valentine 1 \? reply apollo hp com organization hewlett packard company , chelmsford , lines 56 originator nntp posting host ch apollo hp com article 1993apr21 sequent com , troy sequent com \( troy wecker \) earlier commented valentine 1 jimf centerline com replied value units bogey counter n't really go called feature gimmick explanation thanks jim good comments opinion understand valentine 1 tell microwaves coming front , rear two antennas coming interpreted side bogey bogey counts determined sources relative strength one another even reflections source sounds like analysis based hypothesis actually using valentine 1 'd like give feedback based real life keep valentine 1 advanced logic mode rarely lights christmas tree time middle major shopping area makes sense since 8 sources coming many different directions found valentine 1 consistent reporting regardless moving cars area found directional indication useful one case two radar traps set within one mile passed first radar trap , direction indication changed detector set pointing forward direction radar detectors would assumed due reflection valentine 1 knew high probability another trap ! occasions , directional helped discern false alarm true alarm example , pass source , direction indicator changes directional also allows focus attention signal might coming instead look place car approaching rear detector leaks , tell signal coming rear car passes verify source detectors , would unable would assume radar trap none 've valentine 1 several months find added features useful barry barry apollo ch hp com chelmsford uk expert center 508 tn 436 chelmsford ,
andy bgsu edu \( ken \) subject faq essay homosexuality organization bowling green state university b g , oh lines 22 moderator writes believe one could take view like even accepting views paul expressed rom 1 one may believe homosexuality god intended , occured result sin , still conclude times live note creation story work enters human life result sin n't mean christians stop working saved please note god commanded adam work fall lord god took man put garden eden work take care \( gen 2 15 , niv \) work god 's design beginning ken 'll clarify wording obviously rather different kind labor imposed fall , statement stands misleading clh
steve b access digex com \( steve brinich \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization express access online communications , greenbelt , md usa lines 20 distribution inet nntp posting host access digex net crooks use innocent person 's clipper phone tapped line 's problem feds n't care whose phone instrument used , conversation suspect tapped line get serial number , get keys , business , admit clipper opens doors wide following scenario feds need keys joe blow 's phone escrow agent joe blow \? warrant tap line \? feds well , , warrant tap carlos slime devil line , tap shows mr gonzales using mr blow 's phone escrow agent well , ok
c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com \( spiros triantafyllopoulos \) subject ad said nissan altima best seller \? organization delco electronics corp lines 23 article srgenprp sr hp com sr hp com \( mark \) writes bought altima \( like much \) yes little stanza logo ever placed trunk altima big silver letters , stanza far left trunk lid see get close car know look inconspicuous fact first clue stanza owners manual called car nissan stanza altima anybody know nissan way \? avoid paperwork associated certification brand new car , etc ad purposes 's brand new nameplate , paperwork 's still stanza spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology , delco electronics \( 317 \) 451 0815 gm hughes electronics , kokomo , 46904 post , therefore armm
wingo cspara decnet fedex msfc nasa gov subject gamma ray bursters organization university houston lines 23 nntp posting host judy uh edu news software vax vms vnews 1 41 article access digex net , prb access digex com \( pat \) writes big enough problem , create new area physics \? little speculative thinking folks pat well pat agree like first idea probably gamma ray signature warp transitions interstellar spacecraft ! \) well makes much sense things first gamma ray burst conference uah great fun watching many gamma ray scientists much given data reductions remember one person particular declared data completely wrong explanation phenomena smooth sky distribution \( heck even shoots warp transition theory \( next conference soon endeavour keep touch fun subject dennis
skelly amiganet chi il us \( sean kelly \) subject pin \? \? organization amiga network information systems lines 12 anyone know pin outs 27c512 eprom \? \? bought several , none come pin outs ! info would appreciated sean kelly sysop bbs \( 312 \) 594 1146 always looking classic video games following systems atari 2600 atari 5200 atari 5200 vectrex
undergrad math uwaterloo ca \( steve w \) subject cross compilers assemblers \( shareware \? \) organization university waterloo distribution lines 7 anyone point cross compiler assembler motorola , hosted pc compatible preferable free shareware also anyone know gnu cc port chip thanks advance
mmoss ic sunysb edu \( matthew moss \) subject build neural networks \? organization state university new york stony brook lines 11 distribution world nntp posting host libws4 ic sunysb edu subject says , though specify i'm looking solutions require purchasing specific chips , etc words , sort neural network circuit could build visit local r shack \? matthew david moss blessed pure heart , internet mmoss ic sunysb edu see god bitnet mmoss matthew 5 8
espen h dartmouth edu \( espen h \) subject powerbook duo memory system slow x posted internews1 newshost dartmouth edu organization dartmouth college , hanover , nh lines 27 article 1993apr23 leland stanford edu avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) writes hi hardware gurus know kind memory architecture apple uses powerbook duos \? powerbook general \? factors make duo 210 slow compared desktop machine running processor speed \( 25mhz 68030 \) \? many wait states memory system , etc \? kind data bus use \? 32 bit 16 bit \? huh \? get idea \? think got backwards duo 's memory faster equivalent desktop machine 5 10 \( rest \) think explanation refresh faster \( 2 instead 5 cycles believe \) things could affect performance would factors use functions enhanced fpu \( duo n't \) extensions background applications slow computer real life differences speed likely influence software running , kind screen depth running etc espen ps ! duo 32 bit
bgardner pebbles es com \( blaine gardner \) subject maxima chain wax \( mail order \) nntp posting host 130 187 85 70 organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines 75 article 1993apr21 147 linus mitre org cookson mbunix mitre org \( cookson \) writes article 93apr20 211127 44984 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes bought , tried , truly , miracle spooge chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km 'd try vfr , goddamn competition accessories n't mailed order yet hell , 's two weeks ordering pretty bizzare stuff like clear rf 200 face sheild , chain wax bastards 's worth , got three days chaparral 's ups ground ca ut , ymmv stuff seems work , n't attract like pj 1 blue gave acid test , full day 's worth breaking 's new paddle tires sand 's anything wet coated sand end day , chain looked pretty clean far mail order goes , chaparral stock \( tell 's stock , long take back order 's \) , usually get three days competition accessories always seems take week two deliver motorcycle accessory warehouse also takes week two , trying buy boots last week , n't think actually stock anything maw 30 cheaper chaparral tech 7 boots , monday hoping get end week , asked maw completely unreasonable question stock \? conversation went something like need know boots stock want pay visa mastercard \? want know stock well , computer n't show anything , 'd call find \? n't understand i'm saying \? call find stock uh , right \? yea , call back hour , ask phil hour later phil n't , mike says 'll check , call back half hour half hour later mike n't either , left note says 'll end month \( 3 weeks away \) screw , 30 bucks n't worth hassle called chaparral asked stock , \? probably , hard keep stock , 'll check size \? size 10 let 's see , yes ! size 10 , blue white , gray white , black 'll take blacks ! noon monday , arrived thursday morning , three days via ups ground like chaparral i'm completely maw , often lower prices , prepared wait oh , anyone 's market sand tires stuff , seems like good outfit , friendly , fast , tires wanted stock , cheaper chaparral blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner dsd es com
zhang ms ornl gov \( zhang \) subject need spec miniscribe hard drive reply zhang ms ornl gov \( zhang \) organization oak ridge national laboratory lines 21 need info regarding miniscribe 3 5 half height drive sticker following , model unique sticker biggest chip mfm interface , model spec drive \( cyl , heads , etc \) \? fast drive \? use rll drive \? also scsi interface seems match connectors drive description , model e p replace mfm interface scsi interface use drive scsi drive \? would drive size \? set jumpers scsi interface besides use \? could someone also send specs seagate \( 5 full height \) drive \? e mail zhang ms ornl gov thanks
pgf space mit edu \( peter g ford \) subject help viewing voyager cd roms mac organization mit center space research lines 30 distribution world reply pgf space mit edu nntp posting host mit edu article morrow stanford edu , forsythe stanford edu \( david \) writes two half years ago purchased set cd roms university colorado lab atmos space physics space sciences sampler voyagers outer planets pixel pusher could never get past messages something like file pds label , please fill following info \( bunch slots zeros \) yet , could open image file word see label file beginning compressed image format used voyager disks \( yet \) supported macintosh display software know however , exist program convert images format recognized recent versions pixel pusher nih image called pds decompress available via anonymous ftp pub directory mit edu 18 75 0 80 binhex stuffit archive contains application , think c source , brief description recent version nih image \( 1 48 \) may loaded jpl nasa gov , located hqx pub directory archive also contains source code , documentation , located hqx archive directory regards , peter g ford manager , microwave nasa planetary data system
hathaway stsci edu subject vandalizing sky lines 81 organization space telescope science institute distribution na newsgroups sci astro , sci space subject vandalizing sky apologies post submitted friday , got message post might gone considering confusing spitting contest 'rights' , \( inalienable rights damn ! majority destructive liberty \) , suspect post get site \( ai n't saying dark skies included rights , although preserve rights exercising \) anyway , thoughts 'd like add protests come strictly practical consideration pollution levels acceptable research activities professional astronomers would complain rooted aesthetics many readers may never known time heavens pristine sacred actions humans space stars profoundly black abyss full horizons pure sky one could look upon half creation time none connection petty matters man lights supplied solely nature men whole religions based mortal man somehow getting becoming immortal stars , whether belief afterlife space age changed effect first echo , etc view could happen see light crossing night sky know put us puny people still impressive sense size one gets scales involved also awesome even hundreds thousands miles involved still rest universe still hunger pure beauty virgin sky yes , know aircraft almost always sight live populated area \( 6 miles international airport currently \) light pollution ground ghastly impact humans extreme virtually place exists shaped , , modified , trashed whipped shape hands man places life forms larger bacteria humans , cockroaches , \( rats \) visited friends mountains one weekend , getting away \( paved roads , plumbing , malls , \) felt good quickly noticed hollow directly main flight path 60 80 miles east \( n't help matters much either \) 've heard artic wilderness gets lots high air traffic know skies rarely perfect still desire see place man n't fouled way \( mean 've trying forever like , concerning tesla 's idea banish night , wow ! \) n't watch commercial television , imagine disgusting beer , truck , ointment advertisements would seen high gotta make buck \( displaying products heaven \) , least consider reactions sky last beautiful refuge modern life open though , listing passage hst evening sky weekend tonight friday 8 25 p edt reach altitude 20 1 degrees local meridian baltimore vicinity 'll trying see suppose could called elitist supporting intrusion night sky complaining billboards proposed others may , think point desire beauty valid , even ca n't ever perfectly achieved regards , wm hathaway baltimore md \( p added tuesday rights vs reality tome , warning someone destroying beauty better know people may accept without complaint \)
robinson cogsci berkeley edu \( michael robinson \) subject well blow yuk , yuk , yuk organization institute cognitive studies , u c berkeley lines 17 nntp posting host cogsci berkeley edu keywords wind article 1993apr23 1564 news columbia edu rob castro writes decide windy ride \? n't one self evident things like , decide 're gas \? never experienced wind severe physically precluded operation motorcycle 's matter deciding whether aggravation trouble 's worth course , depends entirely particular circumstances personal disposition michael robinson uucp ucbvax ! cogsci ! robinson internet robinson cogsci berkeley edu
biz soil princeton edu \( dave \) subject people become atheists \? reply biz soil princeton edu organization princeton university lines 10 ken , happens die \? \? purpose life , think 's chance 're family friends \? think searching \? fill void exists life think fill void dave
homi csd4 csd uwm edu \( sammy \) subject car \? organization computing services division , university wisconsin milwaukee lines 17 distribution usa nntp posting host 129 89 7 4 originator homi csd4 csd uwm edu hello anyone done work best brands \? applications heard water based brand move around , till 's right , let dry like also would consider professionally done , much around wisconsin area , decent job , fairly cheap \( college kid \) thanks info ps maximum legal tint limit homi csd4 csd uwm edu
yon world std com \( david yon \) subject 386 enh mode w floppy \? organization world public access unix , brookline , distribution usa lines 15 hi , 've got older 386 25 motherboard \( old , uses 1988 keyboard controller , uses memory rather caching \) developed problem trying copy files floppy cause machine lock \( reset button required \) , 386 enhanced mode occurs norton desktop , file manager , trying install software running win 3 1 standard mode works fine anyone run \? ideas \? much thanks appreciated david yon world std com
logica co uk subject means human \? \( \) distribution world lines 40 article 1993apr16 cs ucla edu , brad pierce pierce cs ucla edu writes bedrock spiritual belief resonant , yet theology full reason even , believe , based false premises etc etc ill defined , terms , e g , spirit , transcendental , mind , self , consciousness , ultimate reality , soul , elan vital , etc meaning sadly , adherents spiritual movements seldom satisfied hold meaning consciousness mind self \? ! harmless seem drawn belief \? spiritual transcendental material empirical , e , pipe dreams , illusion facts , science reason since , instance , \( non \) psychology pipe dream \? surely major purpose science psychology understand workings mind creatures , feelings , thoughts , perceptions , processes phenomena manifestations mundane , e , matter , energy , space time believe otherwise , albeit god , atheists manifestations mundane sounds rather transcendental fact matter , energy , space time well measured mysterious concepts atheist really believe cast following true faith \? ! richard wilson logica industry ltd
leland stanford edu \( nick \) subject ethics regarding placebo homeopathic medicines organization dsg , stanford university , ca 94305 , usa lines 17 would like know medical consensus \( consensus within group \) regarding ethics following 1 prescription placebo medications patient specifically request sort treatment 2 selling placebo medication profit 3 prescribing homeopathic remedies without advising patient controversial nature 4 representing homeopathic remedies counter medications thanks , nick
munoz bcstec ca boeing com \( david munoz \) subject put isa card eisa slot \? organization boeing computer services x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 14 howdy , netlanders put isa card eisa slot \? also , put 8 bit pc card isa slot \? please e mail possible , thanks ahead time , david munoz munoz bcstec boeing com
infante acpub duke edu \( andrew infante \) subject countersteering sans hands organization duke university durham , n c lines 24 nntp posting host teer1 acpub duke edu article clarke 6 bdrc bd com clarke bdrc bd com \( richard clarke \) writes steer hands n't bars \? \( open budweiser left hand , camel cigarette right , feet allowed \) lean , bike turns , countersteering \? countersteering like taller seat , feet n't floor \? rick , would n't recommend moving , \( maybe mike beaverton complain awhile ! \) might want countersteer 're sitting driveway sounds rick falling bike , , damn , sworn 's told msf course ! ! \? andy infante listen everybody says , fact remains '71 bmw r60 5 've got get thing dod 2426 joan sutherland opinions , dammit , nothing anyone else ! ! !
naoumov physics unc edu \( sergei naoumov \) subject twm nntp posting host physics unc edu organization dept physics astronomy , univ north carolina chapel hill lines 9 hey guys ! run twm would like execute program leaving twm words would like run program f quit possible make menu section would contain two parts \? thanks advance , serge serge astro unc edu
brunel ac uk \( \) subject looking ms dos crypto programs organization brunel university , uxbridge , uk x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 lines 19 maddison , david wrote new reader sci crypt would like obtain copy public domain program encrypt files , preferably using des , runs ms dos would also like obtain program password protect floppy disks , possible thanks david maddison melbourne , australia find floppy password protect program , could e mail thanks marcus jones brunel ac uk dept materials technology , brunel university pgp v2 2 public key request
p0 f0 org subject wanted mpeg description sources encoders decoders reply p0 f0 org organization asa trading company \( gate \) lines 7 please help mpeg description sources decoders encoders great thanks advance maximus 2 01wb origin mister bbs \( 22 23 0 \)
howland noc2 arc nasa gov \( curt howland \) subject good reasons wave organization nasa science internet project office lines 21 article 1993apr21 rd hydro ca , jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done biker girlfriend car , told stupid , rider would n't know waving 's long gone let 's see many posts takes someone selectively quote article one curt howland ace dod 0663 eff 569 howland nsipo nasa gov '82 v45 sabre meddle afairs wizards , makes soggy hard light
zellner stsci edu subject hst servicing mission lines 28 organization space telescope science institute distribution na article schumach convex convex com , schumach convex com \( richard schumacher \) writes access digex net prb access digex net \( pat \) writes different would contamination threat small manuevering tug shuttle 's oms engines \? \? \? \? \? \? aperture door shut reboost using shuttle means someone nearby pry door open stick well , , original deployment mission hst aperture door opened shuttle landed presume boost mission hst would orbiter orbiter bay doors shut still would lots contamination worries understand eva suits one hardest things keep clean still n't know idea coming hst needs boost many problems orbit least certainly plan change orbit first servicing mission december ben
subject read rushdie 's satanic verses \? sham cs arizona edu \( shamim zvonko mohamed \) organization u arizona cs dept , tucson lines 66 article bu edu jaeger buphy bu edu \( gregg jaeger \) writes yes qur'an discusses point several ways , quite directly example , says god appear would need faith belief evidence would definitive ah ! excellent n't appear \? i'm little weak blind faith department \( besides , n't even really need appear , oh say , little tip something like put 3 7 30 dog races perhaps dream vision \) know muhammed n't go desert smoke something \? would person high write well consistency \? i'm afraid n't know arabic read translations would n't know well written \( consistent , though , one thing quran \) read arabic \? besides , best writing done influence , shall say , consciousness altering substances know scribes dictated quran n't screw , put little verses \? 'd good without destroying beauty literary quality text arabic text yes , \? know n't good \? \( , assuming quran written \) muhammed marry four women , muslim allowed \? muhammad exceed number revelation regulating number wives man could marry , ok , retract point \( although might still say knew , done something \) \( although think biggest insult islam majority followers would want suppress book , sight unseen , say holy guy mention murder author \) agree really true case \? n't interviewed muslims would really like false ca n't take say sources \? another case judging principles basis claim follow basis judge system \? especially ca n't get consistent picture islam really believe khomeini \? go imam mosque mecca \? perhaps guy new jersey \? perhaps say go quran ok , whose translation \? things like wherever find idolators , kill \? shamim mohamed uunet , noao , cmcl2 ! arizona ! shamim shamim cs arizona edu take cross garlic 's mezuzah 's jewish page koran 's muslim 's zen buddhist , 're member league programming freedom write lpf uunet uu net
mccall mksol dseg ti com \( fred j mccall 575 3539 \) subject space station redesign , jsc alternative 4 organization texas instruments inc lines 29 tm0006 lerc nasa gov dbm0000 tm0006 lerc nasa gov \( david b mckissock \) writes option low cost modular approach human tended capability \( opposed old ssf sexist term man tended capability \) option b space station freedom derived man tended capability \( griffin yet adopted non sexist language \) option c single core launch station 'll vote anything n't feel constrained use stupid ugly pc phrases replace words like think need , 're likely engaging public relations rather seriously wanting actually get space eliminates option running call manned station option c \? i'm actually half serious people concerned grammatical correctness actually getting working station terminology insisting perfect safety people n't balls live real world mary shafer , nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com n't speak others n't speak
andrewm bio uts edu au \( andrew mears \) subject sheep cardiac research organization university technology , sydney lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host iris bio uts edu au keywords sheep arrhythmias cardiac dear news readers , anyone using sheep models cardiac research , specifically concerned arrhythmias , pacing \? would like hear many thanks , andrew mears please email andrewm iris bio uts edu au andrew mears h 61 2 crc cardiac technology , uts w 61 2 st , gore hill f 61 2 n w email andrewm iris bio uts edu au
subject intel i486dx 33 cpu 300 shipping eagle wesleyan edu organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan edu lines 11 forsale intel i486dx 33 cpu price 300 must sell immediately wei ku lin eagle wesleyan edu
ednclark kraken itc gu edu au \( jeffrey clark \) subject societally acceptable behavior nntp posting host kraken itc gu edu au organization itc , griffith university , brisbane , australia lines 49 cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior 1 \) society society collection individuals fall self defined rules terms un decisions sets peoples represented un considered part society look us federal laws provided representatives purely us citizens society case would citizens us 2 \) define acceptable \? acceptable behaviours either legislated society representatives society behaviours non verbally , effect , non consciously , picking nose show , one , explicit law many cases definition whether behaviour acceptable , one deduce behaviours observation 3 \) keep whatever legal moral position \? increasingly litigation mad society , trap becoming exceedingly difficult avoid infusion strengthening ethnic cultures american \( australian , bring local perspective \) culture boundaries acceptable behaviour ever legislation may eventually become definition moral behaviour instance , dominant religion call live sacrifice domesticated animals fundamental christians would find practice however , moral , according american society \? kind problem may definable legislation obviously within society differences opinion acceptable behaviour , much due different environmental circumstances rather merely different opinions one thing sure , universal moral code suit cultures situations may , however , globally accepted agreed upon globally concept majority common peoples upon earth living similar environment \( ever happens \) jeff clark
blue knight bknight jpr com \( german \) subject help needed dxf iff distribution world x newssoftware grn beta 1 16g \( 13 02 93 \) michael b smith mike schwartz mime version 1 0 content type text plain charset iso 8859 1 content transfer encoding 8bit organization blue knight productions lines 20 article 1993apr30 news columbia edu ph14 cunixb cc columbia edu \( pei hsieh \) writes hi sorry faq , conversion utilities available autodesk dxf amiga iff format \? checked comp graphics faq number sites , far banana please e mail dxf changed iff format changed object format used one 3d programs amiga tools around comercial conversion german blue knight bknight jpr com blue knight productions genie blue knight \( 718 \) 321 graphic design video productions
hamilton hydra cs gmr com \( bill hamilton \) subject burden proof organization gm r center lines 39 distribution world nntp posting host hydra cs gmr com article lynx unm edu cfaehl vesta unm edu \( chris faehl \) writes article 7hg aurora engr latech edu , ray engr latech edu \( bill ray \) writes note followups go alt atheism , talk religion misc , talk origins ! deleted make statement , god exists , loves , etc way insist believe , place burden proof upon insist god n't exist , place burden proof upon \? give proofs , give testimony beliefs respond proofs attempt disprove beliefs say x statement give authority fact , respond asking n't obligated say anything , intent convince x statement true , yes , burden proof upon discussed could established disproven experiment observation , would agree , chris burden proof would belong bill source document christianity , bible , simply assumes god exists makes clear \( us , anyway \) \) person fellowship god , god taken initiative revealing person christian point view , burden proof belongs god bill consistent bible teaches relating experience god , would error part assume direct , causal relationship testimony someone else becoming convinced god exists needs reconciled god merely giving testimony beliefs , egotist please excuse missed earlier part thread bill came across like egotist saw simply obedience scriptural command always ready give reason joy bill hamilton
rick com \( rick \) subject mac scsi spec \? lines 30 4 20 93 , tim keanini heard say regarding mac scsi spec \? tk blast nntp crl com \( tim tk keanini \) tk tk know wired scsi chain tk tk bought drive need find hardcore scsi tk question tk tk iifx scsi chain want see active passive termination \? tk tk iifx scsi spec want enable initiation tk message \? tk tk iifx scsi spec want far parity checking \? tk tk good questions faq someone tk time answer questions know look tk please let know repost answers everyone tk see tk read 273 deals sane person wants know iifx 's scsi tk thanks , tim keanini broder com blast crl com tk sound engineer software tk
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject shuttle organization express access online communications usa lines 26 nntp posting host access digex net everything correct , highly valuable , discovered ww2 proved amazing effect without human toxicity 's immediate administration showed immediate dramatic results solving problems previously fatal although initially enormously expensive culture , within 3 years , price fallen least two orders magnitude , within 10 years , much expensive aspirin penicillin also usable amazingly wide class infections drug passing fda approval promised amazing results toxic shock , rapidly fatal disease consumed enormous amounts funding testing developement , however works less 1 5 times administration costs 2 , 000 per administration promise reduction manufacturing cost drug thus costs 10 , 000 per useful case , implicated slight increase mortality patients would dare compare shuttle , pat
rbp netcom com \( bob pasker \) subject kinder , gentler bmw mailing list organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 10 joe , i'm sorry felt pissing list intended would interested know said made feel way suggesting list serve need would like see boxer contingent split , certainly enough net one list bob pasker rbp netcom com
ad robot bobsbox rent com \( robotic posting menace ! \) subject one stop graphics shop ! reply root graphics rent com lines 102 h e g r p h c b b rent com 's better sharp stick eye ! andy meyer pleased announce upgraded system new hayes ultra 144 v 32bis v 42bis modem allow connections 300bps 38 , ! featuring graphics specific system interested things 3d graphics , image processing , animation , clip art latest public domain graphics programs ! graphics specific mailing lists imagine 3d , dctv lightwave 3d mailing lists aliased easy read forums join read many come ! free usenet access free netmail sites world ! ability contact software hardware developers right mainframes sending netmail graphics bbs ! mention kids college parents college quick connections reliable links , mail sent around world matter minutes ! unique conference \( bulletin \) section join keep track conferences enjoy ability read files personal file area use messages also , proper access , create conference moderate usenet include topics graphics , mac , amiga , ibm , science , erotica , ham radio , star trek , diving , programmers forums , game designers forums , cyberspace forums sophisticated , easy learn use mail system ever created pc ! easily read mail , delete move personal directory storage reply attach files mail send another member smart sendmail feature ensures accurate addressing netmail ability send mail messages arpanet , usenet , internet , bitnet networks interface around world fidonet , uucp network university research facility systems file library containing downloads popular computers featuring easy learn use system library features master directory listing , search capabilities well complete archived file listings file library supports popular transfer protocols x , , z modem well advance protocols hs link bi modem file library also doubles file server users sites around world ! complete control environment select whether want hot key control , menus , prompting etc define cancel key choose terminal emulation also edit personal login script want online games \( global war , jet combat simulator , etc \) new games added online manual extensive help facilities complete tracking online usage time 170 megabytes storage graphics bbs currently runs ibm 8mhz 4 meg ram , meg ide drive call graphics bbs 908 469 0049 300 baud , 24 hours day , everyday ! system bob lindabury graphics rent com
uwsuper edu \( paul \) subject solvent duck tape adhesive organization university wisconsin superior , wisconsin lines 3 nntp posting host 137 81 10 140 want try non toxic solvent , 's one made citrus works well n't take skin process one brand name 've used solve , others
madison wam umd edu \( rob jr \) subject long term human missions nntp posting host rac3 wam umd edu organization university maryland , college park lines 15 excerpt rek siss81 \( robert kaye \) contributions space program regular society 1 calculators 2 teflon \( eggs n't stick pan \) 3 pacemakers \( kept grandfather alive 1976 1988 \) n't forget tang ! smile robert , jr university maryland , college park , maryland e mail madison wam umd edu work chocolate
mainzer darmstadt gmd de \( joerg mainzer \) subject reply mainzer darmstadt gmd de \( joerg mainzer \) organization german national research center information technology \( gmd \) lines 26 hello everybody ! anybody know implement use \? problem n't know many characters drawn region calculate character character width drawn text \? thank advance , , , \( \) ooo \( \) ooo joerg mainzer internet mainzer darmstadt gmd de german nat research center x mainzer darmstadt gmd dbp de information technology voice 49 6151 15 fax 49 6151 w 6100 darmstadt , germany symptom bar moving fault carried solution find taken another bar complain loudly hi jacked
dchan cisco com \( derek chan \) subject service indicator bmw organization cisco lines 12 distribution world nntp posting host cisco com originator dchan cisco com anyone know reset service indicator bmw changing oil \? also , 3 , 000 miles far one five yellow service indicators went means n't need oil service reach 15 , 000 miles n't make sense idea \? ps cause first oil change 1 , 200 miles derek
wang com \( dave \) subject tiff philosophical significance 42 \( silly \) organization wang labs , lowell , usa lines 10 crosfield co uk \( richard kirk \) writes 's number legs , know number left legs , left right \? dave , wang laboratories , inc amateur radio callsign project leader , recognition products n0ary ca na internet wang com
jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) subject bruins x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 16 april 23 , suned cs yale edu \( wanna know \? \) wrote w w see ! providence bruins lost first two games home came back w tie series road , may hope bruins yet ! toast 're toast \( know much want eat words , ai n't gonna happen \) golf courses boston area condition yet \? jack acid consumes 47 times weight life ! rosereader 2 10 entered rose rosemail 2 10 rosenet usenet gateway rose media 416 733 2285
amoco com \( david l hanson \) subject sj mercury 's reference fundamentalist christian parents organization opinions lines 66 article may 14 02 10 09 1993 athos rutgers edu david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) writes david bernard central sun com \( dave bernard \) subject sj mercury 's reference fundamentalist christian parents date 14 may 93 06 10 10 gmt article athos rutgers edu , dan ingres com \( rose arose \) writes raised oakland san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parents , mason beaten child san jose mercury news come article starting raised oakland mexican parents , mason beaten , face would red anger injustice done mexican family members although i'm neither fundamentalist evangelical , often noticed trend media short , permissable bash fundamentalists need nationality mexican try simply substitute different religion raised muslim parents , raised jewish parents paper simply would noticed newspapers n't even know fundamentalist least , confuse new evangelicals fundamentalists news group , liberals n't even know fundamentalist \( crying anyone believes obeys god 's word \) fundamentalist would train children way god , way man would include life threatening would include punishment liberals , cry infidel anyone believe god 's word signature follows statutes wonderful therefore obey psalm 119 129 david l hanson opinions expressed ! people know , believe fundamentalist sufficiently ill defined advise using specific term think many people use cover people believe inerrancy number related concepts \( e g denial evolution \) original fundamentals movement somewhat specific , would think people accept inerrancy would actually support whole original agenda \( included list key traditional doctrines , e g virgin birth \) term used press describe aggressive conservative religions general , typically attempting legislate religion legalism yet another ill defined term however reason use context fact common theological definition believe salvation law hope one believes conservative contributors hold view however basic difference approach expect get bible conservative approach expects find specific behavioral rules generally posters advocating approach talk relevant passages paul 's letter god 's law liberal approach expects find general principles , regards specific behavioral rules subject change depending upon culture things 's easy see liberal would regard conservative approach legalism 's hard know quite term use issue case inerrancy , one saying paul made factual error rather , question whether statements taken law calling positive answer legalism seems obvious enough terminology n't seen good alternative clh
jack petrilli rose com \( jack petrilli \) subject hawks lose \( yawn \) x gated usenet rosemail gateway \( v1 70 \) organization rose media inc , toronto , ontario lines 16 april 25 , maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca \( roger maynard \) wrote look leafs , led healthy doug gilmour confidence restored felix potvin blues 6 leafs 3 games wings give joseph extra days pass ha ! roger dodger back ! \( bandwagon , \) jack please tell n't get message rosereader 2 10 entered rose rosemail 2 10 rosenet usenet gateway rose media 416 733 2285
willner head cfa harvard edu \( steve willner \) subject temperature dark sky organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory , cambridge , , usa lines 71 article 1993apr28 princeton edu , richmond spiff princeton edu \( stupendous man \) writes 's case , let point interstellar dust molecules provide many instances things , well , far blackbodies many different observations , including iras cobe , determined interstellar dust grain temperatures range 40k 150k interstellar grains close blackbodies large grains sizes order 0 1 micron absorb visible light fair efficiency however , temperatures 100 k , 90 thermal emission beyond 22 microns , radiating efficiency poor \( small antenna cannot easily radiate long wavelengths \) thus grains must heat order radiate energy absorbed moreover , iras observations maximum wavelength 100 microns grains colder 30 k radiate primarily longer wavelengths , iras would relatively insensitive extreme limit , grains cold 5 k almost undetectable conceivable observation worse still , iras color temperatures heavily contaminated population small grains grains perhaps 50 atoms , hit single photon heat temperatures several hundred 1000 k course cool quickly stay cold , radiating characteristic temperature several hundred k even small population grains dramatically raise observed average temperature model local infrared emission consistent cobe data three components represent scattered radiation zodiacal dust \( color temperature 5500 k \) , thermal emission zodiacal dust \( tc 280 k \) , thermal emission galactic dust \( tc 25 k \) ecliptic poles , dilution factors respectively 1 9e 13 , 4e 8 , 2e 5 first two roughly doubled ecliptic plane find thermal equilibrium temperature , add dilution factor times fourth power temperature components , take fourth root table , starlight comes allen 's number stellar emission whole sky equivalent 460 zero mag stars b v color 0 75 doubt careful work could much better \( person suggested starlight dilution factor e 4 must remembering wrong would cooked case event , energy density starlight comes microwave background , believe correct \) dilution temp dt 4 microwave background 1 2 7 53 galactic dust 2e 5 25 8 zodiacal dust \( emission \) 6e 8 280 369 zodiacal dust \( scattering \) 3e 13 5500 275 starlight 1e 13 5500 92 797 fourth root 797 5 3 k outside solar system , result would 3 5 k find results surprising , especially importance zodiacal dust , n't see serious mistakes steve willner phone 617 495 bitnet willner cfa cambridge , 02138 usa internet willner cfa harvard edu member , league programming freedom contact lpf uunet uu net
koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) subject key escrow enough \? organization loral rolm computer systems distribution world lines 48 denning guvax acc georgetown edu revised , april 21 , 1993 chips programmed mykotronx , inc , calls myk 78 silicon supplied vlsi technology inc clipper chips programmed inside scif \( secure information facility \) , essentially vault scif contains laptop computer equipment program chips 300 chips programmed single session scif located mykotronx acknowledgment distribution notice article based information provided nsa , nist , fbi , mykotronx permission distribute document granted , mykotronx , inc \? would nice know front company used intelligence agency u government , chip design \( \) examined verified silicon insure trap doors hidden protocols exist silicon , regardless security level encryption algorithm proof chip wo n't role someone proper knowledge interrogate via communications link design examination done gate level also , one verify looking reflected , masks \? silicon examined well , design hand \( clean room publicly defined clipper chip \) merged another design later , changed completion mask little proof told chip chip put \( verified \) masks escrow , use chip production , use third escrow party programming chips government asking lot blind trust encryption algorithm , operating protocols , agency physical control devices , silicon implementation government trustworthy , escrow anything \?
jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu \( josh hopkins \) subject llnl inflated space stations \( space dock \) organization university illinois urbana lines 20 kjenks gothamcity jsc nasa gov writes article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes build inflatable space dock discussion pros cons deleted technical difficulties llnl proposal inflatable space station dealt varying degrees success could someone give references llnl proposal \? 've meaning track something i'm working 's directly related space stations , think many principles carry josh hopkins jbh55289 uxa cso uiuc edu find way make one attributed hannibal
prb access digex net \( pat \) subject electrical spacecraft via magnetic field earth \? organization express access online communications usa lines 13 nntp posting host access digex net article zoo toronto edu henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) writes dragless satellite magically drag burns fuel constantly fight drag , maintaining exact orbit would drag quotes around dragless n't exactly follow dragless thread point \? used laser missions \? triad seemed sort navy navigation bird , dragless update orbital parameters \? pat
behanna syl nj nec com \( chris behanna \) subject maxima chain wax organization nec systems laboratory , inc lines 22 article myrddin imat com nelson seahunt imat com \( michael nelson \) writes article 93apr20 211127 44984 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca \( charles parr \) writes chain lubed , wheel clean , 1000km careful similarly impressed first recently started finding rust spots chain went back least sucker never using \( tm \) spray chain wax onto rollers occassionally , rust problem later , chris behanna dod 114 1983 h fxwg wide glide jubilee 's red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer would nec 1991 zx 11 needs name agree anyway \? raised pack wild corn dogs
ez012344 hamlet ucdavis edu \( dan herrin \) subject space marketing boycott organization uc davis lines 9 space ad proposed undoubtedly thing come marketing pipe years , best reason star wars killer satellite system dan
pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu \( peter garfiel freeman \) subject uva nntp posting host cunixb cc columbia edu organization columbia university lines 10 wow ! 's sad see university virginia begun produce breed jew haters self hating jews ! roar lion roar
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject satellite around pluto mission \? organization u toronto zoology lines 35 article 1993apr30 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes plan put satellite around planet solar system keep watch \? would point long term monitoring things like particles fields , mention atmospheric phenomena however , particular plan establish sort monitoring network precise , particular plan , period large part problem context , 's surprising useful missions like get short budget time closest approach sort long term planetary monitoring mission occasional chance piggyback something like top mission like galileo cassini mission \( unmanned \) pluto stay orbit record things around near pluto unlikely much happening pluto would worth monitoring , difficult mission fly without new propulsion technology \( something planetary community firmly resisted guinea pigs \) combined need arrive pluto within reasonable amount time , kill nearly cruise velocity settle orbit , beyond reasonably done current \( , 1950s vintage \) propulsion could scanning pluto , also solar system , objects near , well seti looking galaxy without much solar system worry done well earth things ca n't , done better voyager like spacecraft constrained need enter orbit around planet svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
rogue ccs northeastern edu \( free radical \) subject tempest nntp posting host damon ccs northeastern edu organization college cs , northeastern u distribution na lines 22 article 1993apr26 193801 12416 lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu \( kirill shklovsky \) writes heard somewhere \( ca n't name source \) tempest necessarily pick crts , pick emissions almost chip true , kind monitor would make difference becuase everything screen picked video controller anybody verify refute \? anyone attended attest , pick information video chip 's surprisingly easy guy portable tv , minor mods worked 3 feet , demonstration ra rogue cs neu edu \( rogue agent sod ! \) nsa funding research cryptography , areas advanced mathematics 'd like circular describing new research opportunities , pick phone , call mother , ask one
hudson athena cs uga edu \( paul hudson jr \) subject homosexual issues christianity organization university georgia , athens lines 24 's ambiguity meaning words passage quote liberal conservative sources seem agree homosexual general term homosexuals , likely meaning like homosexual prostitute understand experience looking word , discussing greek literate individual , meaning word rather clear basically literally means beds man sex man burden proof pro homosexuality side argument show word meaning evident literal meaning one speculate day long might mean something else , need evidence create new doctrines , get rid historical understanding meaning word link hudson 've read enough discussions passage , liberal conservative sources , sure meaning even literal meaning certain n't mean one ca n't come conclusion , mean think 's doubt paul thinks homosexuality plausible arguments couple different meanings clh
sunder crhc uiuc edu \( srinivas sunder \) subject stage set organization center reliable high performance computing , university illinois urbana champaign lines 62 distribution world nntp posting host crhc uiuc edu article ucdavis edu , hamlet ucdavis edu \( \) writes srinivas writes people 's current govt get thrown , 'll find way getting us un short cut process hasten , sets bad precedent us interfere everywhere \? right doorstep cuba \? precisely , cuba \? \? \? \? \? ruled thugs elected leader asked support reestablish peoples well , let 's delve one level deeper democracy better means govt \? president georgia elected thumping majority booted later , w objections un similarly , people algeria elected islamic party power junta declared illegal cases , personally problems outcome , voice people hallowed thing world community claims revere , n't interfering \? u democracy wishes , perfect right help without whining parties turns colonialism poeple n't like , find way throw exactly point inevitably turn way , save lot pain trouble simply letting people sort problems colonial interventions , even haiti , n't worked past 102 1915 us invaded 1915 left 1933 , almost 17 years intended success \? well , look haiti today past 40 years decide success long us , remember n't last long , obviously implicit assumption outsiders right sit judgement another people , act , roots old colonial attitudes lie today , motives noble tomorrow , may ever said people commit genocide right commit genocide \? \? nobody people right self defense un wants arm bosnians revolutionaries whoever , problems cross line attempt arrange boundaries , etc , vance owen plan one piece insanity want world criminals agains humanity place hide , want special designed protect nobody right commit crimes humanity , loose right self determination classical colonialism , finally clearly stated point difference colonialism good side , stated removing thugs able lord powerless people worried bad side assert , prepared let natural forces take course mean avoid bad side colonialism srinivas sunder sunder crhc uiuc edu university illinois shares views , 'd surprised n't smart generally \)
psuvm psu edu subject first bike honda ascot \? organization penn state university lines 39 article contex contex com , frank marvin contex com \( frank perdicaro \) says ft fun , wanted buy one waited 10 years bought hawk instead friends , owners former cycle shop 125 andover , bought one new , several years old cost 995 pay much one hear fitted front end 500cc interceptor , thus great brakes sounds like fun dude forum one thats second hand bike warns fine 40 , 000 miles ft 500 good beginner 's bike reasonable seating position enough power get around , much 'll scare tips well , easy pick \( n't ask \) simple maintenance 've mine four years , n't serious problems bought used 750 8000 miles last week , someone neighborhood stopped ask whether thought good beginner 's bike , comfortable powerful enough , blah blah blah seems found one used 500 3600 miles trick mod 've heard take front end 600 hurricane slide guy campaigns two sos racing says pretty well , strip starter , lights assorted street paraphernalia , pretty fast light bike andrew coll psuvm bitnet psuvm psu edu
subject calcium deposits heart valve john com \( john \) distribution world organization executive network information system lines 6 friend , 62 year old man , calcium deposits one heart valves causes happen done \? john com
wpwood austin ibm com subject hpgl viewer utilities reply gaetan lord , ecole polytechnique de montreal 's message wed , 28 apr 1993 03 11 06 gmt reply wpwood austin ibm com \( bill woodward \) organization institute knowledge jinx lines 20 article music mus polymtl ca gaetan lord , ecole polytechnique de montreal music mus polymtl ca writes hi would like know software , pd , could produce x11 output hpgl file rs 6000 kind software could produce hardcopy postscript try export lcs mit edu think viewer called check readme contrib bill woodward wpwood austin ibm com try first aix software support austin ibm com graphics group 512 838 terror night
cs ucsd edu \( michael \) subject welcome police state usa organization cse department , uc san diego lines 18 nntp posting host beowulf ucsd edu article c5si9g hx dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes conveniently ignores murder four batf agents branch davidians unprovoked ambush tripe deleted phill , trying convince everyone net fact abject moron reason \? repeating rubbish may make something fact whatever posting , n't wash , save michael department computer science engineering university california , san diego cs ucsd edu \( 619 \) 455 1500 guns outlawed , government outlaws guns
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject msg sensitivity superstition \? organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 29 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article crhc uiuc edu , mary uicsl csl uiuc edu \( mary e allison \) writes started checking every time got sick every time got sick msg somehow involved one food products points studies made amateurs also check every time get sick \? , say \? check every thing eat n't get sick find much msg 're actually consuming \? 's needed final step , double blind study done humans n't even ethical question possible harm , widely used approved food additive say 2 population problem msg say 's like 20 let 's say 's 5 many people would tested would problem \? also know problem , would n't volunteer test knew enough test decide n't want participate involved msg , 'd 've already made \( since msg detectable taste \) anybody clueless double blind studies \? carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) subject good reasons wave organization ontario hydro research division lines 16 article mavenry altcit eskimo com maven mavenry altcit eskimo com \( norman hamer \) writes waving bikers makes sense hey , 's going , nice meet road , good ride 2 \) keeps habit watching really carefully bikes 're cage good thing anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done 've bike like jody levine dod 275 kv got pf jody p levine hydro ca ride toronto , ontario , canada let 's see many posts takes someone selectively quote article
queen mcs drexel edu \( jonathan \) subject nextstep intel sneak preview reminder organization drexel university , dept math comp sci lines 57 x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 , philadelphia area nextstep user group , holding public sneak preview nextstep intel processors david labs room a1 walnut , southeast corner , philadelphia pa wednesday , may 5th 7 pm 9 pm nextstep 32 bit unix based operating environment , , available motorola based next computers may 11th issue pc magazine called nextstep hot prospect , next nearing release version nextstep run 486 based pc 's , yet identical 68040 version fact , nextstep 3 1 includes ability easily compile program single binary run intel motorola hardware nextstep 3 1 intel processors demonstrated epson progression 486 computer nextstep scheduled release may 25 expo san francisco demonstration open public come one come ! interested seeing advanced pc operating system around , come ! brief summary nextstep offers , see may 11th issue pc magazine , page 66 information , contact jonathan , philadelphia area nextstep user group 215 653 jon afs com jonathan w drexel university college info studies queen mcs drexel edu experience programming windows vs experience programming nextstep like going dentist root canal without vs going dentist gums cleaned w nitrous oxide thrown entertainment side things stone co jonathan w drexel university college info studies queen mcs drexel edu experience programming windows vs experience programming nextstep like going dentist root canal without vs going dentist gums cleaned w nitrous oxide thrown entertainment side things stone co
rych festival ed ac uk \( r hawkes \) subject 3ds texture rules go \? lines 34 eric vitiello tfd coplex com \( eric vitiello \) writes rych festival ed ac uk \( r hawkes \) rh 've noticed save model \( mapping planes rh positioned carefully \) 3ds file reload restarting rh 3ds , given default position orientation save rh prj file positions orientation preserved anyone rh know information stored 3ds file \? nothing prj \( project \) format saves settings , right last render file 's name rh 'd like able read texture rule information , anyone rh format prj file \? sorry n't anything format well , feet first reverse engineered prj file much needed extracted mapping icon information 3d studio useless needs need mapping icon per applied texture want use special purpose graphics computer rendering 3ds models requires texture rule plane specified , e position orientation mapping rule since one mapping icon used 3ds apply textures objects faces , renders \( pun intended \) 3ds totally unsuitable needs anyone got contact alias upfront good modeller pc \? must able specify texture rules \( one per texture \) must saved file read n't found info alias copy faq rych
nhmas gauss med harvard edu \( mark shneyder 432 4219 \) subject espn sucks ot baseball \? guess organization hms lines 12 nntp posting host gauss med harvard edu article ccu umanitoba ca umturne4 ccu umanitoba ca \( daryl turner \) writes showing meaningless \( relatively \) baseball game overtime game tied less 3 seconds left clock \? gimme break ! espn get brilliant decisions \? 's called major league baseball would 've liked see ot isles caps game , understand espn coming espn committed single telecast night everything bonus ppv mark
kxgst1 pitt edu \( kenneth gilbert \) subject persistent vs chronic organization university pittsburgh lines 39 article blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu \( howard r doyle \) writes chronic carrier necessarily mean patient chronic persistent anything persons chronic carriers may clinical , biochemical , evidence liver disease , may chronic persistent hepatitis , chronic active hepatitis , cirrhosis , cases chronic persistent hepatitis \( cph \) probably result viral infection , although good number cases cause cannot determined diagnosis cph made basis liver biopsy consists findings portal inflammation , intact limiting plate , occasion isolated foci necrosis contrast chronic active hepatitis \( cah \) inflammation , necrosis , cph , indeed , excellent prognosis choose cah cph question would also choose cph however , david pointed , distinction two neat us would histology sometimes pretty , showing areas compatible cph cah maybe sampling problem maybe continuum n't know darn think understand something someone knows pathology burst bubble \( 'd better start talking diseases , 'll really get depressed seriously though , wonder someone cph would end getting biopsy first place \? understanding \( feel free correct \) enzymes worst mildly elevated , overall normal hepatic function would think clue might history prior infection positive sag indeed continuum cah , distinction merely one pathology prognosis , otherwise identical clinical features \? kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit , programmer !
lmsc lockheed com \( j \) subject drag free satellites organization lockheed missiles spaces co lines 4 regarding drag free satellites , joe cain gives good description concept however concept navy 's triad satellite succesfully used drag free control drag free control integral part stanford gravity probe b spacecraft , due fly 1999 also part european step satellite jeff v
piatt gdc com \( gary piatt \) subject new study gay percentage organization general datacomm ind inc , middlebury , ct lines 14 nntp posting host x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl9 clayton cramer \( cramer optilink com \) wrote rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face ahh , 's good goose necessarily 's good n't want homosexuals impose moral codes \( diabolical ideas equal rights \) , yet willing impose moral codes detect double standard \? garison
bradw newbridge com \( brad warkentin \) subject good reasons wave nntp posting host thor organization newbridge networks corporation lines 25 jlevine rd hydro ca \( jody levine \) writes anyone , driving cage , ever waved bikers \? get urge , 've never actually done yup whenever cage \( often riding weather ie snow \) find arm kinda finger wave works best sport bikes arm works best harleys similar wave bike let 's see many posts takes someone selectively quote article yah mean like get urge , 've never actually done done \? jody would never , ever even dream assuming young lady refined breeding taste would even consider things mean matters even discussed , civilized beings , confidence , two us , even perhaps got excited thinking know bj bradw newbridge com sig plan clue dod 255
revdak netcom com \( andrew kille \) subject homosexuality issues christianity organization netcom line communication services \( 408 241 9760 guest \) lines 28 darin johnson \( djohnson cs ucsd edu \) wrote ok , 's important gay christians \? sex , christianity \? christianity would hope would willing forgo sex completely , order avoid stumbling block others , avoid chance interpretation might wrong , etc \? , \? heterosexuals abstain time \( would nice protestant churches celibate orders show world sex important thing life \) difference straight members given choice , celibacy recognized gift , given gays told , condition acceptance , must celibate n't believe god gives forced choice relationship god expressing heterosexuality \( within context faithful relationship \) believe god gives forced choice gays sex christianity false dichotomy tell truth , gay churches remind lot henry viii starting church england order get divorce \( myth \) note denying gay christians christian part , gay churches remind blacks starting churches either allowed white churches , , best , special restrictions apply white members revdak netcom com
rja mahogany126 cray com \( russ anderson \) subject waco burnout originator rja mahogany126 lines 23 nntp posting host mahogany126 organization 1991 world champion minnesota twins ! distribution usa article rigel tamu edu , mst4298 rigel tamu edu \( mitchell todd \) writes article visser convex convex com , visser convex com \( lance visser \) writes ca n't wait investigation considering everyone dead place burnt ground , guess honest citizens take word atf much threat people look history koresh captured mount carmel complex ago gun battle rival bd sect , leaving one person dead n't exactly peace loving bunch koresh followers tried found innocent charges following shootout unaware leave fact \? russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect upon employer anyone else \( c \) 1993 ex twins' jack morris , 10 innings pitched , 0 runs \( world series mvp ! \)
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject radio stations organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 26 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu cleveland freenet edu \( theodore g benjamin \) writes mon apr 19 15 46 40 1993 , greanias texas mitre org \( steve greanias \) wrote cable nights caps n't play , would like tune games anyone list radio stations broadcast games nhl teams \? ones remember offhand kdka 1020 pittsburgh penguins lori , regular penguins poster rec sport hockey , indicated via e mail nights pirates baseball penguins playoff games coincide , pens covered wdve fm \( 102 5 \) wabc 770 new jersey devils 780 chicago blackhawks \( \? \) 720 detroit redwings wjr detroit 's 760 however , neglected mention earlier response thread , nights tigers baseball games coincide playoff games , wings carried fm \( 98 7 \)
ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization university southern california , los angeles , ca lines 59 nntp posting host almaak usc edu preferred applications development platform according 432 fortune 1000 corporations survey market research survey \( percentages \) 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 os 2 8 17 14 14 , may 1993 , page 28 's interesting see greatest vapour project world able make much difference \) think 's interesting rag , incredibly incompetent article opinion piece someone named robert statements like sun sold around 300 multiprocessing servers ! ! ! ! ! ! \( case usc around 4 sun mp servers earth \) \) factor 50 \? 100 \? thought sending factual disaster email message column titled contact us silly seem never heard internet may also interest world computer market share broad category \( \) 1991 1996 dos , windows , netware 37 0 40 0 unix 11 6 21 0 ibm mainframe 17 4 14 4 vax vms 3 7 2 6 ibm minis 4 1 4 0 macintosh 3 6 4 6 22 6 13 4 totally 155 billion 1996 projections idc source unix world , jan 1993 1993 unix hardware sales category billion installed base workstations 14 1 3 million 7 4 1 million large scale 1 8 pc unix 0 6 2 million total 23 9 ajay shah , \( 213 \) 749 , ajayshah usc edu
messina netcom com \( tony \) subject \( info \) dos msw meltdown progressing nicely organization messina software lines 18 ajayshah almaak usc edu \( ajay shah \) writes preferred applications development platform according 432 fortune 1000 corporations survey market research survey 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 development \? house apps \? maybe , certainly apps sold open market statistics like laughable , may simply mean enough shrink wrapped usable apps unix developed disproportionately often compared installed unix base
cliffga microsoft com \( clifford garrett \) subject challenge microsoft supporters organization microsoft corp distribution usa lines 4 get picture , find humorous running windows 3 1 apps \( 3 0 2 0 \) makes os 2 credible cliff
cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) subject concentrate child molesters \? organization optilink corporation , petaluma , ca lines 27 article avt hilbert cyprs rain com , joec hilbert cyprs rain com \( joe cipale \) writes article optilink com cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes however , monogamous homosexual male sex rare practical purposes , homosexuality spreads aids clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , fucking homophobic moron ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! iv drug use \? tainted blood \? multi sexual partners \? knew anything \? also spread aids say anything different \? go back read wrote statement homosexuality spreads aids made false fact methods spreading well talking , would dangerous right , persistent boil skin humanity needs joe cipale typical homosexual response clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent ,
tedwards eng umd edu \( thomas grant edwards \) subject clipper considered harmful organization project glue , university maryland , college park lines 16 nntp posting host src umd edu sternlight \) writes \( gideon yuval \) writes personal attacks stopped prof denning replying issues substance , cause real harm serious debate prof denning afraid posting due personal attacks , perhaps use anonymous posting service , allow heated debate occur without personal attacks anon penet back yet \? thomas
kevinh hslrswi hasler ascom ch \( kevinh \) subject v4 engines reply kevinh hasler ascom ch organization ascom hasler ag lines 27 originator kevinh nath article 1993apr26 kronos arc nasa gov , freud arc nasa gov \( chuck fry \) writes article 1993apr23 mit edu singer mit edu \( matthew r singer \) writes n't saab v4 \? recall someone telling something like 1 2 ford 289 \( correct spelling \) , 95 wagon 96 sedan used 1500 cc 1700 cc v 4 ford germany particular motor 60 degree vee angle , balance shaft exhaust ports motor later stretched v 6 commonly seen capri think reverse , v4 2 3 v6 v 4 could make pretty reasonable power size saab , made much torque transmission , designed 3 cylinder 2 stroke also worst engine ford \( europe \) ever made bloody awful reputation 's successful application transit van saab gave motor made triumph \( half v8 \) license \( believe \) , 2 litre capacity perhaps different arrangement cylinder head studs , developing straight four triumph kevinh hasler ascom ch
link escape de \( karl w \) subject data segments memory model usage organization link public mailbox , braunschweig , germany lines 36 hello , wrote firstly , windows 3 1 386 enhanced mode anything special compiled using large memory model \? told even 386 enhanced mode windows load real memory 640k page lock second question relates static data inside way get multiple instances static data segment \( \? \) \? , allocate real static data within code segments ! need dynamic memory allocate data global heap forget written memory management 3 1 virtual memory lock every block without memory manager use far pointer everytime without always lock memory block besides dll 's mostly disguised exe 's , happen called another task karl karl w , 50 , w 1 , link escape de tel 49 5300 fax 49 5300 cis , 204 bix v2 1
bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) subject christian morality organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 52 article 4949 eastman uucp dps nasa kodak com writes article vice ico tek com , bobbe vice ico tek com \( robert beauchaine \) writes yet still believer god concerned disposition \? beneath provide evidence would require believe \? evidence personality , given god , would find compelling \? fact god could cause believe anything wants think minute would rather someone love made love , wanted love first , n't expect love n't even know exist secondly , would n't expect love simply creator would expect earn love responsibility love god take step toward promises , look \? love something n't believe exists \? come back 've learned love third doubt dispute givin sincere effort simple logic arguments folly read bible see jesus made fools tried trick logic ability reason spec creation yet think ultimate rely simply reason never know learn must accept n't know point stepped line become complete asshole even though 's first offense , wo n't let slip becuase 've heard many times love jesus deep heart 're say , i'm much qualified assess motivations fortunately , things get accept evidence rather faith one christians like quit fucking arrogant , never peace 've made sure bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
conradie firga sun ac za \( gerrit conradie \) subject disks copy protected article firga conradie 53 organization university stellenbosch , sa lines 34 article dolphin zoo cs yale edu stone andy cs yale edu \( andy stone \) writes subject disks copy protected wrote commercial program called game maker \( guess \) document protect \( answer question page x , line \) , real pain also allow user register sending card , computing based name system works 've gotten lots registration cards hear program cracked though someone two people actually called support one question , wanting buy graphics libraries \( right ! \) anyway anyone wants help catch cracker cracked version , mail wo n't accuse \( unless 're cracker course \) know least one ftp site download cracks commercial game existence names companies \( yes , companies ! \) also blatantly advertised crack codes according , illegal \( least usa , according statute something \) remove copy protection program condition may use code legally owned software convenience interest download advertisement one company give name ftp site anyone , even protect companies wrote original games disclaimer condone use cracking programs believe hurts industry individuals long run subject copy protection pirates n't give damn using software name registered owner came starting program n't conscience gerrit
com tw \( michael hung \) subject internationalization organization internet lines 9 xpert expo lcs mit edu hi , anybody example programs using internationalization features x11r5 \? small x program show chinese texts , menu bar icons thanks advance michael c hung
hhd0 harvey gte com \( horace dediu \) subject dirty diesels \? distribution na organization gte laboratories , waltham , lines 31 article nataraja opal12 , nataraja rtsg mot com \( kumaravel natarajan \) writes heard diesels considered cleaner burning gas engines emit less carbon monoxide , hydrocarbons , oxides nitrogen \( co , hc , nox \) put lot particulate matter heard something legislation discussed clean diesel emissions anything works install scrubbers diesels \? feasibility installing trucks cars \? would different catylitic converter \? 'd assume easier , since 're removing particulate matter instead converting gasses let 's hear people 's opinions vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular , arlington hts il really bugs emissions diesels cleanest , considered polluting banned passenger cars california bunch crap diesel fuel choice enviromental benefit europe 's illegal reason particulates nothing carbon annoyance worst nothing beats diesel cycle efficiency emissions , torque engine durability 's also cheaper horace dediu gte laboratories \( 617 \) 466 40 sylvan road internet gte com waltham ,
golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca \( gerald olchowy \) subject real source trouble us health care system organization university toronto chemistry department lines 33 article 1993apr23 desire wright edu demon desire wright edu \( boomer \) writes cancel private health insurance \? government care covers 20 population consumes 42 spending health care \? ! national health expenditures 1960 1990 \( includes puerto rico areas \) year health services supplies \( billions \) private public 1960 19 8 5 7 \( 22 total \) 1970 44 1 24 9 \( 56 total \) 1980 140 7 98 1 \( 41 total \) 1990 374 8 268 6 \( 42 total \) source american almanac , page 97 1992 3 edition understand 12 2 gnp going waste figures , private insurance spending 58 money cover 4 times many people go figure private insurance industry cream milk simple gerald
mmm cup portal com \( mark robert thorson \) subject iridology credence \? \? \? organization portal system \( tm \) lines 6 iridology descendant 19th century theory mapped certain diseases sectors iris eye 's enough natural variation color skilled examiner find indicators virtually disease modern scientists consider complete bunk
ychen hubcap clemson edu \( eric chen \) subject wanted 10 polaroid palette 72 10 manual organization clemson university , clemson sc lines 24 newsgroups misc wanted , misc forsale , misc forsale computers , subject wanted manual polaroid palette 72 10 10 distribution world organization clemson university , clemson sc need polaroid palette model 72 10 \( similar model \) manual willing pay 10 , plus shipping charge via usps 3rd class n't need original one , photo manual fine manual , please help thanks advance eric \( 803 \) newsgroups misc forsale , misc wanted , misc forsale computers subject wanted 10 polaroid palette 72 10 manual summary distribution world organization clemson university , clemson sc keywords
hans meyer hmmeyer silver ucs indiana edu subject panasonic organization indiana university lines 33 would like sell camcorder havent used much need money panasonic pv 17 vhs c high speed shutter flying head 8 1 power zoom digital tracking audio video auto tracking digital automatic focus book mark search record review automatic white balance ccd image sensor hq system includes rechargeable battery battery charger vhs adapter 4 compact video cassettes original docs , cables , box , etc got new sept '92 used total 20 25 times battery charged less 5 times thing brand new condition asking 550 make offer hans meyer
marc tanda isis org \( marc thibault \) subject tapped , code good reply marc tanda isis org distribution na organization thibault friends lines 56 article 1993apr21 rick dgbt doc ca \( jerry han \) writes guess people \? live one countries world person complain without getting shot guessing , address 'd say jerry , like , lives canada unlike , thinks friends us enjoy freedom , seen slow steady erosion south us benefit relatively slow politicians ineffective law enforcement rednecks tend objects rather elected officials 's everything le keep real criminals time actually go somebody n't like attitude , 's national news \( also often blows faces eg well flawed case , resulted supreme court , le prosecuting case parliament passing law prosecuted \) friends south border n't easy time among things many le agencies agencies , teeth also war drugs gives law enforcement agencies exceptional powers ignore individuals' rights \( dea arbitrary power given canadian agencies war measures act \) ca n't stop fighting long enough really effective suppression private citizens' rights , police teeth , learned fend bent cop may ironic nation founded life , liberty pursuit happiness getting government imposed order , nation founded peace , order good government getting face liberty 's say time wo n't come looks like going run law order platform afraid cheers , marc marc thibault marc tanda isis org automation architect cis 71441 , 2226 r r 1 , oxford mills , ontario , canada nc freenet aa185 begin pgp public key block mqbnaiqxytkaaaecalfehyp0yc80s1scfvjspj5escao hihtnefrrn vuecsavh aauwpiugyv2n8n lftpnnlc42ms c8pjupykvi8abrg0i01hcmmgvghpymf1bhqg pg1hcmnadgfuzgeuaxnpcy5vcmc hlnv end pgp public key block
eas3714 ultb isc rit edu \( e story \) subject krillean photography nntp posting host ultb gw isc rit edu organization rochester institute technology lines 16 article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended bill making fun misspelling go look word krill also , correct spelling kirlian involves taking photographs corona discharges created attaching subject high voltage source , aura works equally well inanimate objects true showing missing part leaf \? corona discharge \? dry turtle turtle ! ezra story , student rit , eas3714 ultb isc rit edu , trusty \( \? \) mailing address
quip eecs umich edu \( ralph seguin \) subject split a4000 , scanner , ram , , toaster , , svhs vcr , scope , keywords toaster , amiga , video , a4000 , ram , disk , scsi organization university michigan eecs dept , ann arbor distribution na lines 133 sorry frequency posting \( i'm time crunch \) i'm selling toys afford house \( amiga 4000 040 25 mhz 68040 \( built fpu mmu \) 18 megs ram , 2 megs video ram , expandable 2 gigabytes scsi controller fujitsu 3 5 scsi drive , 12ms , 3 years warranty 1 year site service remaining 3000 obo epson full page , 24 bit color scanner w adpro loader software \( standalone adpro loader \) docs cable 850 supra v 32 bis , 14 4k , latest roms 205 scsi cd rom drive , , internal 225 mitsubishi 14 multisync 15 38 khz , 30 90hz analog rgb , ttl , video inputs 275 , obo \( 2000 less original \) amiga 2500 040 toaster system amiga 2500 zeus 68040 \( fpu mmu built \) , 1 year warranty 16 megs ram 1 meg video memory quantum prodrive 100 , 100m scsi drive 2 personal ii , time base \( video composite \) , docs , video toaster 2 0 lots fonts objects , sequencing , toaster , compress , instructional video scsi cd rom drive sony svhs vcr , new , warranty , 2 color rgb composite yc monitors pioneer video disc player , , rf , composite rock solid sync generator , multi format video disc players , cd 6900 obo parcel stuff necessary \( please send offers \( meade 8 newtonian reflector telescope 8 aperture , f 6 heavy duty mount clock drive dual axis joystick ac dc drive tube bit strength 2 finder scopes 1 finder scope 1 finder scope diagonal holder 9mm eyepiece 2 barrel 2 \( includes adapter 1 25 \) 1 25mm 1 25 eyepiece 1 9mm 1 25 eyepiece , take pick , 30 manuals needs , otherwise superb condition 775 \( 'd really prefer sell locally due size \) maxtor , 680 meg \( formatted \) , 5 25 fh , 625 695 sun software listed amiga comes boxes , diskettes , manuals many cases unopened , containing registration cards mean 18 golf 10 greg norman 's shark attack 10 superstar ice hockey 10 jack 10 3d design disk 10 pga tour golf 10 10 balance power 10 world trophy soccer 10 waterloo 10 omni play basketball 10 software 65 cadence used 1 month manual lcd panel built computer must sell locally due size bought 700 asking 190 posted friend \( please email um cc umich edu \) amiga 2500 030 , 5 megs ram , 40m scsi drive , scsi controller , monitor 1200 obo thanks , ralph \( 313 \) 677 , please call 6 00pm , send email \( best way reach \) rps arbortext com dip eecs umich edu ralph seguin 2261 hills dr 8 ann arbor , mi
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject muslim women children raped massacred armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 51 article marlin cs duke edu wiener duke cs duke edu \( eduard wiener \) writes culture russia proper , ukraine think attempts prove russians descendants finns , tatars , , croats iranians based speculation evidence always stick sdpa arf' made nose every discussion non points lies well , still anxiously awaiting source , ottoman empire , vol ii , p 188 atrocities massacres committed long time muslim population within armenian republic confirmed accurate information , observations made rawlinson , british representative erzurum , confirmed atrocities committed armenians united states delegation general seen thousands refugees came take refuge 's soldiers , hungry miserable , children wives , properties destroyed , delegation witness cruelties many muslim villages destroyed soldiers armenian troops armed cannons machine guns eyes 's troops people hoped operation would end , unfortunately since beginning february cruelties inflicted muslim population region , , , increased according documented information , 28 muslim villages destroyed aforementioned region , 2 , 000 people slaughtered , many possessions livestock seized , young muslim women taken kars , thousands women children able flee villages beaten , raped massacred mountains , aggression properties , lives , chastity honour muslims continued responsibility armenian government cruelties massacres stopped order alleviate tensions muslim public opinion due atrocities committed armenians , possessions taken muslims returned paid , properties , lives , honour muslims protected serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
cc bellcore com \( michael \( \) \) subject best first basemen organization bellcore , livingston , nj lines 19 article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu , drm6640 tesla njit edu says mattingly best first baseman history baseball always always ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! always \? \? \? \? \? \? even even conceived \? 's neat trick always \? \? \? \? \? \? leave lot room error n't hopefully missed earlier post regard otherwise well leave individual fill say gehrig ! \( shortened capitalized ease reader \) mike
eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) subject new study gay percentage reply eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) organization nottingham university lines 26 article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes yes rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face post based premise laws stand discriminate anybody , argument falls immediately really dumb use language prove argument \? please feel free answer , , anything intelligent say matter clayton e cramer uunet , pyramid ! optilink ! cramer opinions , mine ! relations people mutual consent , adda wainwright dim atal llanw ! 8o \) eczcaw mips nott ac uk 8o \) mae sig 'ma ar werth !
sti com \( dan r \) subject microsoft buy xhibition \? \? organization software transformation , inc lines 16 nntp posting host jeff sti com jessea u013 vp com \( jesse w asher \) wrote 've getting mail xhibition june conference wondering microsoft bought xhibition \? front says conference microsoft windows nt developers 's deal \? thought x x windows \? \? exactly feeling depressed ever programmed windows x11 , 'd depressed x conference touted tutorials show convert x windows api sort like , convert c classes new , improved c happened \? dan software transformation saratoga sunnyvale rd , 100 sti com \( 408 \) 973 cupertino , ca 95014
dhammers pacific \? \( david hammerslag \) subject mormon temples organization u dhammers organization lines 21 article may 7 01 08 52 1993 athos rutgers edu cas org \( brooks \) writes searching deceased ancestors perform ordinances baptism , confirmation , marriage time eternity required person obtain salvation christ live people may opportunity know christ lifetime , making possible christ 's saving grace \( know thousands interpretations phrase \) become fully effective allow side paragraph brought mind question \( mormons \) reconcile idea eternal marriage christ 's statement ressurection people neither marry given marriage \( luke , chapt 20 \) \? david hammerslag \( dhammers urbana mcd mot com \) ai n't nobody bad lord ca n't save 'em ai n't nobody good n't need god 's love mullins
aero org \( gregory c \) subject go hell ! ! ! organization aerospace corporation , el segundo , ca lines 9 nntp posting host aerospace aero org summary ! hell n't anyone noticed \? consensual reality special case
avery gestalt stanford edu \( avery wang \) subject mac superdrives read unix disks \? organization dso , stanford university lines 18 article 1993apr24 news yale edu warren warren laplace biology yale edu writes anyone know program utility enable mac read unix \( e next \) 3 5 disks \? thanks , warren warren laplace biology yale edu n't know answer direct question , mac superdrive read ms dos disks \( \? \? \) transfer files next mac using ms dos formatted disks since next read write format 're interested transferring files , also serial port using kermit cheers , avery
vech ra msstate edu \( craig vechorik \) subject moa members , another letter read ! nntp posting host ra msstate edu organization mississippi state university lines 45 light last letter posted jeff crap going moa , \( folks took dissemination information received , bad mouthing \) thought would post one , came yesterday board member robert moa pres morse words , k guys \? april 4 , 1993 cecil king 's statement dear chick serious problem election president moa year cecil king 's statement \( appeared owners news \) 968 words , nearly twice many permitted laws pertinent part , rules state candidate 's biography position statement shall limited combined total 500 words shall cut word biography position statement exceeding length obviously task cecil 's statement cut required , would concluded approximately word sic second paragraph position statement result , cecil obtained view grossly unfair advantage candidates president taint election office makes mockery process would appreciate advising board immediately steps intend take rectify caricature fair election , private correspondence others , would appreciative call asshole remind letter 's recipient publication comment almost guaranteed consequences kind regards , remain , robert k , read , think , trust know cecil king , editor befor douglass , pres candidate let draw conclusions regards , craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador 9462 bmw vintage bulletin tech editor dod 843 real bmw 's two wheels politically correct statement
bauer informatik uni ulm de \( christian bauer \) subject quicktime jpeg expansion source needed nntp posting host christian informatik uni ulm de organization university ulm lines 15 hello , need code decompression quicktime jpeg pict files , n't conform usual jpeg compressors , available source code c pascal modula code used several platforms view pictures isdn perhaps special hardware put around \( much less mac ! perhaps dsp support chips \) code available , perhaps algorithm available decompress christian bauer bauer informatik uni ulm de
b hart odin dev macsch com \( bill hart \) subject oilers go hamilton lines 15 reply b hart macsch com organization corporation article 1993apr26 spang camosun bc ca , ua256 freenet victoria bc ca \( tom moffat \) writes oilers move hamilton division play tom moffat victoria b c canada guess , hamilton would put midwest , either winnipeg dallas moving pacific bill b hart macsch com
strnlght netcom com \( david sternlight \) subject get keys organization dsi uscrpac lines 25 article dockmaster ncsc mil grant dockmaster ncsc mil \( lynn r grant \) writes 50 people far asked , fbi gets clipper keys , wo n't able read future past traffic \? response nist , nsa , ms denning , mr hellman , anyone else might able give us authoritative answer troubling proposal could modified get court order tap n't charge crime within , say , 90 days , buy new phone charge , found innocent , buy new phone \) david david sternlight great care taken ensure accuracy information , errors omissions excepted
ragraca vela acs oakland edu \( randy graca \) subject wings win organization oakland university , rochester , michigan , u lines 40 nntp posting host vela acs oakland edu gballent vancouver uvic ca \( greg ballentine \) writes article 116 vis toronto edu , bdown vis toronto edu \( brian \) writes stuff deleted example , look pat quinn canucks \( saying best gm merely better one murray one familiar \) traded garth butcher \( good player \) dan quinn \( nhl anymore \) st louis cliff ronning , geoff courtnall , sergio robert dirk good true right think goes along comment made earlier post namely , quinn taking advantage major league bonehead gm st louis trade absolutely stupid trade st louis , stupid trade guy made give quinn credit stuff trades deleted plus team improved much greater amount detroit since took figure \? vancouver detroit thing last year division , close number points , went 3 1 first round playoffs finally escaping 7 games , got knocked second round teams able beat , less talent \( specifically , remember correctly , third place teams \) make vancouver improved \? , i'm mistaken , wings points vancouver end season \( albeit many \) gregmeister randy
ugly uvic ca \( richard wong \) subject voice synth chips nntp posting host gw uvic ca organization university victoria , victoria , bc , canada lines 3 anyone know get voice synthesis chips \? \? looking something like ones time date stamp answering machines
rdell cbnewsf cb att com \( richard b dell \) subject lead acid batteries concrete \? organization distribution na lines 31 article 1993apr21 204556 21262 cronkite ocis temple edu camter28 astro ocis temple edu \( carter ames \) writes wondering one thing , actually two \( hope proper place post subject \) lead acid battery discharge become dead \( totally unuseable \) stored concrete floor \? decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year , preserve went use noticed work , act like two terminals shorted asked friend said never , 'cause ruins , could n't tell thanks camter28 astro ocis temple edu battery expert , recent reading , lead acid battery self discharge relatively high rate , stored discharged state , develop condition think called storage , either electrolyte removed replaced use \( fat chance 'd ever home \) , battery stored trickle charge also \( think \) read condition may reversable hooked current limited charging circuit fro long period time remember use c 50 \( c amp hours \) charging circuit , leave hooked weeks may apply gel type cells , suspect applies liquid type richard dell
powlesla acs ucalgary ca \( jim powlesland \) subject illustrator autotrace poorly \? organization university calgary , alberta lines 12 nntp posting host acs ucalgary ca 've pretty good success line art adobe streamline 2 0 key controlling excessive points , etc take time test conversions using various tolerance settings jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary ca academic computing services voice \( 403 \) 220 university calgary message \( 403 \) 220 6201 calgary , alberta canada t2n 1n4 fax \( 403 \) 282 9199
com \( tim king \) subject gateway monitor problem ! help distribution usa organization u west group , inc lines 30 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 joshua smith \( ravel udel edu \) wrote , someone else gateway monitor problem , anyone help , please , would much thanks advance ok , local bus 486 66 machine , crystal scan monitor 1 meg memory ati ultra pro , w mach32 driver \( newest release \) problem windows use 1024 mode get shadows sides screens , blurry type corners types screen focus 've gotten replacement video cards , replacement monitor none helped though could someone help problem 1 meg card crystal scan 15 inch also see faint shadows left side screen 1024 x 768 mode , enough really bother characters screen clear turn crystal fonts , become blurry friend 2 meg video card shadows , says crystal fonts , well , crystal clear using build 59 mach32 drivers neither us monitor extension cable tried driver found difference tim king , com us west group inc bellevue , washington
sfp lemur cit cornell edu \( sheila patterson \) subject soc religion christian organization cornell university cit lines 47 article may 12 04 26 55 1993 athos rutgers edu , dozier utkux1 utk edu \( dozier \) writes reading posts newsgroup pasts 4 months , become apparent group primarily active liberals , catholics , new , athiests someone might think change name soc religion perhaps even soc religion new might seem appropriate heck , n't flame , i'm catholic , gay , voted bill clinton i'm side ! sentiments exactly i'm group 3rd discussion list ever belonged i'm chased away strife , anger , discontent , lies , et al paul \( saul \) said , 'i come preach christ , n't let simple beauty faith god get theological discussions thousands lines post incarnation church atheists agnostics read list n't christian intention ever becoming one earth waste time mine participating christian discussion list \? continue search christian discussion \( , spirit filled , kind , humble , patient , etc \) circles sheila patterson , cit cr technical support group 315 ccc cornell university ithaca , ny 14853 \( 607 \) 255 i'm afraid discussion group containing people different views tends turn arguments largest differences present talk religion misc spends lot time christian atheist arguments , soc religion christian spends lot time arguments among different christian groups , bitnet catholic group spends lot time arguments conservative liberal catholics personally would prefer set somewhat specialized groups , least alternative liberal conservative protestant catholic would handle traffic , though certainly significant groups \( e g orthodox \) course may readers like arguments certainly find painful clh
larry peak psl nmsu edu \( evil engineer cowboy way \) subject waco burning organization new mexico state university , metaphysical science laboratory lines 63 nntp posting host peak nmsu edu reply turmoil halcyon com 's message 22 apr 1993 16 59 28 0700 22 apr 1993 16 59 28 0700 , turmoil halcyon com \( tim crowley \) said tim nntp posting host nwfocus wa com tim goykhman apollo hp com \( red herring \) writes article v2110a vm temple edu v2110a vm temple edu \( richard hoenes \) writes yes 've heard survivors saying 've also seen videotape shows fire started two three different places n't near tank seen tape cnn network see \? tim saw film cnn happend clear tim tape fire started one location right tim tank attacking , pulled back tim several spots fire started , started one tim location spread direction heavy wind tim fbi claims seen filmed several starting tim points yet keep hidden spread much tim lies well guess responsible mass murder tim 80 people exercising constitutional rights , tim would lie gosh , tim , must seen different live broadcast smoke emerge one place initially , considerable distance tank , short time , fire appeared several places good distance apart 's nagging question , people , made attempts escape save children , child , n't committing suicide , believe would made attempt least save child , least one survivors attempting go back fire physically removed one lifted finger bring child , apparently explain \? two survivors claimed place lantern oil set fire \( doubt david 's orders \) least lawyers talked tim also , yet released search warrant \? \? \? \? good question maybe would embarrassment , seeing atf went dirty harry mode initially stupidly handled , find difficult believe entire fbi completely gone corrupt new administration less 100 days old stupidity bad decisions plans always us alignment waco tim ya turmoil halcyon com fuck police ! ! ! ! see \? freedom speech l yeh , buddy larry psl nmsu edu \( larry cunningham \) 've got computer ! physical science laboratory \( \) \( \) right ! ! new mexico state university \( computer ! \) las cruces , new mexico , usa disclaimer opinions expressed correct , mine , oh sure , could easy way would n't cowboy way
phage cshl org \( cshl \) subject disks copy protected organization cold spring harbor lab lines 9 nntp posting host phage cshl org still think major point missed worried software pirates , nothing stop people crack software \( mostly games , \) daily fun usually find crack around anything , especially manufacturer leaves hole thing fun yet \?
organization arizona state university shooting club asu asuacad bitnet subject children firearm , etc injury articles wanted lines 18 one asu students needs data copy article regarding accidents , injury death children \( articles state age limits children \) relating firearms sociology report copy long edgar suter , article ca n't find paul blackman \( nra \) articles \( sections thereof \) deal comparisons time , locations , age groups , reasons accidents , injury death , percentages would welcome please send node thanks advance ! tom
alex falcon demon co uk \( alex \) subject sci files sco files distribution world organization dis \( organised \) reply alex falcon demon co uk x newsreader simple news 1 90 \( ka9q dis 1 21 \) lines 16 article 1993apr30 daimi aau dk rued daimi aau dk writes hello ! week ago guy asked sco file sc \( character \) regards rued yes , \? alex falcon demon co uk
paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) subject iridology credence \? \? \? reply paj uk co gec mrc \( paul johnson \) organization gec marconi research centre , great baddow , uk lines 53 article dpw com dpw com \( janice price \) writes saw printed flyer stated person licensed opinions \? much tell person 's health looking eyes \? bogus see sci skeptic faq \( edit \) diagnose things looking eyes classic example , probably others iridology maps parts body onto irises eyes looking patterns , occasional irises supposed able diagnose illnesses body two questions ask alternative therapist 1 work \? 2 evidence \? answer question 1 takes little knowledge medicine evaluate n't know iridology , 've read book , remarkably similar notion except organs body mapped onto soles feet supposed channels running body carrying information energy sort found structures \( always beware words channel energy put alternative practitioner \) answer question 2 rather simpler anecdotal evidence forget ask papers mainstream medical journals ignore bull conspiracy rich doctors suppressing alternative practitioners studies done papers published even positive word licensed flyer interesting one licensed \? \? quite possible real requires license kill someone giving wrong plants eat , many plants contain powerful drugs \( spring mind \) clear whether license extends iridology , suspect ask told means \( licensed \) btw , usual term use different word \? paul johnson \( paj gec mrc co uk \) tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 ideas others like gec marconi research 0 02 reputable idealist responsible opinions
coates bigwpi wpi edu \( jeffery david coates \) subject sony amplifier crossover sale organization worcester polytechnic institute lines 40 nntp posting host bigwpi wpi edu sale ! ! ! ! 1 \) sony car stereo amplifier \( model xm \) rated power , 4 ohms 20 20 , 0 5 thd 2 ohm stable short circuit overload protected great little amplifier picked demo model last spring , never got chance install 's tested , works great perfect amplifier adding 4 speaker power system , powering whatever mounted board , complete rs 15 amp noise filter , connections made barrier strips easy screw type contacts lists new 129 , asking 75 b complete 2 \) sony electronic crossover \( model 500 \) freq response 5 100 , 000 hz \( 0 , 3 db \) n ratio 105 db \( \) high pass x flat , 80 , 120 , 180 hz \( octave \) low pas x 50 , 80 , 120 , 180 hz \( octave \) 1 2 din size dash installation many cars ! , l exceptional unit found extremely useful back days car put stereo two sets rca type inputs \( f r \) , three sets outputs \( f r sub \) output seperate level control variable low boost control \( 10 db 40 hz \) extending low bass , seperate high low pass crossover points make great unit anybody 's interested building sub satellite type system used orig box papers 130 b units work flawlessly , excellent shape \( ie scratches , etc \) anyone interested , please respond coates wpi wpi edu 'll happy answer questions might oh yeah want 'll sell amp th x 175 thanks jeff
schietke uni bonn de \( juergen schietke \) subject chars big fonts shown partially organization research institute discrete mathematics , bonn lines 30 hi , wrote small application uses pixmaps copied window show drawings works perfectly kind objects expect large fonts happens screen right half font shown way create things quite simple code xfillrectangle \( disp , pixs , , 0 , 0 , width , height \) line string \( \) xcopyarea \( disp , pixs , win , 0 , 0 , width , height , 0 , 0 \) using 340 bos 3 2 question bug aix x server \( may \) , something wrong within code \? \? sorry cross posting , really know kind error juergen schietke research insitute discrete mathematics university bonn 2 5300 bonn 1 \( germany \) tel 49 e mail schietke uni bonn de
rcanders nyx cs du edu \( mr nice guy \) subject waco fire x disclaimer nyx public access unix system run university denver denver community university neither control responsibility opinions users organization nyx , public access unix u denver math cs dept lines 29 flash frequent occurrence fires fire start small one location heat air temperature room builds everything room catches fire may occurred bd compound , heard reports windows covered would permit fire start unnoticed outside compound fire got big enough , broke walls , appeared started two places really one big fire large quantities tear gas inserted building possible many women children room free tear gas would try seal door keep tear gas learned fire broken late escape trapped flames safe room find hard believe fbi recording final assault think would wanted tapes show agents fbi overcoming forces evil , aka branch davidians tapes would also allow fbi prove using excessive force rod anderson n0nzo acceptable substitute boulder , co brains silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo ao 16
dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) subject v 32 modem reply dino fiabane pics twwells com \( dino fiabane \) organization pics online ! multiuser system 609 753 2540 lines 35 gvc technologies v 32 modem 9600 4800 2400 1200 300 bps operation automatic speed selection ccitt v 32 v 22bis v 22 v 21 full duplex operation asynchronous operation auto answer auto dial automatically switch data voice transmission supports com port 1 4 , irq 2 5 analog digital remote digital loopback test modes communication crosstalk software manual included modem manual warranty registration card included \( optional ccitt v 42bis v 42 mnp 2 5 module , providing error correction data compression increase throughput 38 , 400 bps , available directly manufacturer \) mint condition 125 reply dino fiabane pics com mail bounce sent address instead , please reply via private e mail pics ! dino fiabane twwells com \( since home bbs handle personal messages e mail time , replies also arrive via e mail instead way regular newsgroup \) dino fiabane , 150 weston drive , cherry hill , nj phone \( 609 \) 424 slmr 2 1a reply pics ! dino fiabane twwells com via e mail pics online multiuser system \( 609 \) 753 2540 hst 609 753 1549 \( v32 \) massive file collection 45 , 000 files online 250 newsgroups
cdt sw stratus com \( c tavares \) subject rewording second amendment \( ideas \) organization stratus computer , inc lines 17 distribution world nntp posting host rocket sw stratus com article sugar neosoft com , neosoft com \( randy \) writes perhaps little track discussion rewording 2nd amendment specifically refers right bear arms bear arms key words , \? simplistic say ca n't pick \( ie bear \) , firearm restricted without constitution firearm \? let 's even consider long knives \( swords \) , also common militia weapons 18th century , , anything , often restricted heavily firearms whatever sense gun control makes , knife control makes even less cdt rocket sw stratus com believe speak company , cdt vos stratus com write today special investors' packet
rtd saigon com \( \) subject 1x1 80 102 organization systems \( 408 \) 252 1005 cupertino , ca lines 13 hi fellows , 36 pcs 1x1 80 102 5 00 shipping total 107 00 interested , respond call 408 942 fax 408 942 rtd saigon com \( \) systems 1 408 252 1005 silicon valley , ca
spira panix com \( greg sarcasm way life spira \) subject relative value players organization boo ! lines 76 kime mongoose torolab ibm com kime mongoose torolab ibm com \( edward kim \) writes article world std com jle world std com \( joe leonard \) writes folks jump , let ask net would jays al good pitcher aaa place morris \( given run support \) \? average ml pitcher \? ca n't believe morris' performance playoffs series large positive impact jays performance know 's trendy nowadays dump morris , let 's give credit credit due doubtful blue jays would al east without morris well , say , without morris , mention assumed replacement alternative morris letting cito gaston soft toss ball opposition every 5 days , course blue jays would n't without morris alternative replacement level , think would 've close , yes , morris might 've made difference alternative frank viola , blue jays probably would easily viola last year , team went 13 15 month august , starters shelled , milwaukee making charge , morris went 5 1 pretty good era \( ca n't remember exactly \) yes make argument presence prevented team collapsing august also , let 's underestimate importance 240 innings save bullpen every fifth day n't help us win al east , forget pennent world series innings probably helpful run support high \( 5 98 runs \) 's \( 5 90 runs \) 12 games remember morris winning inordinate number 6 5 8 6 ballgames , credit pitched good needed 6 1 ballgame , put cruise control threw ball let batters get themseleves \( hate expression ! \) inexperienced pitcher would wear trying make perfect pitches keep era morris , veteran pitcher , knows winning thing really matters baseball saving , able reach back little extra \( hate ! \) game line well , think complete bs happened time morris fell behind , team came back rescued mostly , 's lousy 1st inning pitcher , much better rest way team climb 4 0 , 5 0 holes consistently win 6 5 morris' credit 's team 's credit furthermore , morris exceed w l percentage would projected runs allowed run support , n't done previous years fact , w l record 1991 lot worse projects run support runs allowed think came ability 1992 look 2 postseason games pitched typical morris games morris gets behind team 's responsible rescue games , team n't rescue enough jack morris pitched well much season 2 games offense n't earn victory btw , think put bullpen would embarrassing veteran pitcher cito would never , era 17 , much embarrassed \? morris one guys ca n't start anymore 's bad first inning pitcher serve bullpen greg
henry zoo toronto edu \( henry spencer \) subject electrical spacecraft via magnetic field earth \? organization u toronto zoology lines 39 article 1993may1 1 aurora alaska edu nsmca aurora alaska edu writes okay , earth magnetic field put object earth magnetic field , produces electricty well , 's simple 're earth 's magnetic field , n't generate electricity done question use electricity power space low earth orbit vehicle \? , use magnetic field earth power \? \? way power things electricity , answer first question definitely yes \( meant say rather power , answer sort \) yes , use interaction earth 's magnetic field get electrical power , potential applications however , bear mind free lunch energy n't coming nowhere systems convert energy orbital velocity electrical energy cases useful tradeoff using power obtained way propulsion useful special situations , however get power means , e g solar arrays , run interaction magnetic field reverse , pumping energy orbit rather taking energy want information , trying looking propulsion , tether applications , idea dragless satellite used part create electrical field \? dragless satellite magically drag burns fuel constantly fight drag , maintaining exact orbit would drag quotes around dragless svr4 resembles high speed collision henry spencer u toronto zoology svr3 sunos dick dunn henry zoo toronto edu utzoo ! henry
dcs ed ac uk \( george ross \) subject xdm env vars organization department computer science , edinburgh university lines 24 article haji haji sun , fwr8bv fin af mil writes using xdm x11r5 ow3 xview3 sun3s sparcs running sunos 4 1 1 prior using xdm , used set path environment variables \( like manpath , helppath , arch , etc \) login file xdm , login file n't get executed therefore neither olwm root window applications know variables one usual suggestion put everything every time shell rc file instead login one , fair enough users know 're several hundred users books tell , though , 's confusing best another xterms run login shells , still leaves window manager things get started menus wrong environment alternative instead xdm run client startup scripts , runs user 's favourite shell login shell , run rest startup scripts way user 's usual environment gets set normal inherited everything find almost current copy scripts things contrib edinburgh environment tar z , available usual places george ross , department computer science , university edinburgh kings buildings , road , edinburgh , scotland , 3jz mail dcs ed ac uk voice 031 650 fax 031 667
orion oac uci edu \( eric \) subject apple 8 24 gc video card nntp posting host orion oac uci edu organization university california , irvine lines 17 article 1993apr22 tcs las vegas nv us elenay creations tcs las vegas nv us \( anthony saxton \) writes friend mine recently acquired 8 ! 24 gc card iisi wondering always starts black white know numerous reports worth gc , wondering anyone could elaborate little subject replies encouraged thanks ad vance may emailed , iisi 's power supply rated handle gc board remember si came everyone complained 's power supply one result apple providing low cost computer think got lot flack relatively high end computer \( time anyways \) could n't even support video board even n't causing problems , might develop one later eric
steven ritter andrew cmu edu subject pennsylvania insurance , limited tort option organization psychology , carnegie mellon , pittsburgh , pa lines 24 distribution usa nntp posting host andrew cmu edu reply oasys dt navy mil opinion , limited tort option best thing casey ever done basically , limited tort means give right sue pain suffering , unless one following conditions met 1 medical bills resulting accident exceed x \( x number like 50 , 000 i'm sure exact number \) 2 accident caused drunk driver \( mean , driver drunk \) 3 get good lawyer good case \( basically , appeal regain right sue , 's almost chance ever happening \) giving right sue pain suffering still sue medical costs , actual damages , etc agreeing limited tort , essentially giving right asshole treats every accident entry litigation lottery exchange , get substantial reduction rates save 150 year unfortunately , insurance companies managed scare confuse people much 5 go limited tort guess 's ok people opted , insurance companies would pushing harder repeal
sun csd unb ca \( \) subject cgm something \( preferably pcx \) organization university new brunswick , fredericton , nb , canada lines 13 anybody know converter cgm pcx anything else common 've spent time searching archives luck could email responses thx advance , mike g jupiter sun csd unb ca
vub ac \( philippe lebrun \) subject pregnency without sex \? distribution eunet lines 20 keywords pregnency sex article stephen 735806195 mont , stephen mont cs missouri edu \( stephen montgomery smith \) writes school boy , biology teacher told us incident couple passionate without actually sexual intercourse somehow girl became pregnent sperm cells made way clothes via persperation biology teacher misinforming us , incidents actually occur \? sperm deposited near entrance vagina known cause pregnancy , even presence doubt sperm could make layer cloth find right path waiting , might possible , possible woman virgin pregnant also , sufficiently loose allow near normal intercourse without problem investigating , course , getting honest account exactly happened philippe
carl sol1 gps caltech edu \( carl j lydick \) subject 's next \? mormons jews \? organization hst wide field planetary camera lines 19 distribution world reply carl sol1 gps caltech edu nntp posting host sol1 gps caltech edu article vi agate berkeley edu , isaackuo skippy berkeley edu \( isaac kuo \) writes hmm police strategy bursting weapons drawn , clearly marked officers yelling police repeatedly used every day bust drug houses idea awe suspects submission surprise display order avoid gun fight knocking , 's sad necessity many cases since suspects attempt escape even fight usually strategy works n't , would n't used commonly , would \? often used convoy carrying brigade visible miles reaches place 's searched \? carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey , understand vaxen vms 's get paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level \( \) unless i'm saying directly related vax vms , n't hold organization responsible related vax vms , try hold responsible , organization nothing
sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) subject book dealing genocide muslims armenians reply sera zuma uucp \( serdar argic \) distribution world lines 311 article sfu ca kits sfu ca \( \) writes make sound turks inocent virgin get married go read atrocities commited turks greeks period time greece occupied turks expect turks living greece treated like , greek educational system also shambles history shows within last 170 years , greeks played game twice used istanbul patriarch instigate morea rebellion resulted massacres muslim people , orthodox patriarch constantine v invited russian czar nicholas ii invade ottoman empire 'in name jesus , ' save flock ottoman rule source medieval modern greek culture , , ed , kai , ' vol \( , calif , 1978 \) p 161 words professor , savage , greeks sang words 'let turk remain morea , whole world ' greeks determined achieve way knew war religious extermination let improve one ottoman empire lost world war , british landed 1919 200 , 000 greek army izmir exterminate people turkiye suffering severe case amnesia \? tired defeated turks rose , formed national force leadership mustafa kemal , august 30 , 1922 annihilated bulk greek army wait , greek war independence brought disaster jewish communities , revolution erupted 1821 jews , close association ottoman administration , massacred along turks jewish communities , , decimated survivors moved north settle , still ottoman rule lost ancient jewish community , nikos , page ix source professor stanford j shaw , 'the jews ottoman empire turkish republic , ' new york university press , new york \( 1991 \) page 187 disintegration ottoman empire going century disastrous ottoman jewry age nationalism among christian subjects sultan , starting greek revolution early nineteenth century , , based idea , great idea , sought add greek kingdom istanbul large portions anatolia , union greece felt hope success greek national movement , provided fact intervention great powers efforts greeks , stimulated similar among subjects southeastern europe long oppressed , much ottomans , rather , greek religious hierarchy dominated orthodox millet , leading first pressure religious independence , granted bulgarian orthodox 1870 , serbian church 1879 , church 1885 , subsequent aspirations , achievement , political independence following page 188 new nationalist leaders greatly assisted campaigns ottomans diplomatic representatives major powers europe also christian missionaries , emphasized feelings christian superiority hatred muslims jews fortified religious well ethnic bases pursuit independence christian nationalism , based much religious ethnic identity , soon resurrected medieval devastated jews muslims consequently driven together past vicious anti muslim anti semitic movements developed , involving large scale persecutions massacres carried invading armies , independent states resulted , also christian subjects remained within empire , particularly jewish muslim support ottoman integrity fear fate nationalist states southeastern europe results explosive damaging invading armies russia austria well revolting nationalists , later , successfully established independent christian states , committed systematic genocide jews muslims throughout nineteenth century , despite great power admonitions contrary treaties paris \( 1858 \) berlin \( \) , page 188 peoples southeastern europe achieved independence , muslim jewish minorities systematically persecuted massacred , survived driven beyond ever shrinking boundaries retreating ottoman empire kind slaughter seen since dispersal jews palestine centuries earlier sort genocide begun long late sixteenth century , principalities taking lead , united rumania subsequently later years nineteenth century ruler , peter lame , banished jews competition christian merchants prince micheal brave revolted ottomans principalities , ordered massacre jews well turks page 189 slaughter continued well nineteenth century greeks revolted ottoman rule many greek volunteers coming russia principalities join effort slaughtered plundered jewish communities along paths went toward greece page 190 \( second paragraph \) occupied island , jewish population either massacred deported jewish communal personal property stolen native greek population , leaving jews returned utter poverty reduced begging , longer able compete greeks trade commerce page 190 \( third paragraph \) jews living greece principalities suffered terribly support ottoman rule greek nationalist movement started uprising spring 1821 , hundreds jews muslims killed greeks lived well native 14 height greek revolution , five thousand jews massacred morea along muslim population , numbering twenty thousand 15 alone 1 , 200 jews massacred along turks 16 reverend john hartley , describing carnage , concluded jewish blood , turkish , flow streets captured city sons isaac sons , well every occasion greek revolution , met common fate corpses cast city , , like ancient sovereign judah , received burial superior ass ' 17 jewish communities islands , , , , wiped bands greek rebels along , , 18 surviving jews fled island corfu , jews fled italy , peninsula lived peace prosperity rule since century , though divided rival greek italian communities long , however , fell victim greek revolution , leading savage repression massacres jews , forcing surviving members two communities come together self defense first time throughout years greek revolution , greek nationalists went town town mainland island island agean , jews muslims could find , many along roads desperately fled safety left ottoman empire contemporary accounts relate greeks left murdered jews muslims lying exposed bodies could torn apart 19 jews survived massacres fled across agean small boats izmir , thus starting rise one leading centers ottoman jewish life nineteenth century northern greece , particularly areas salonica , jews turks able successfully resist greek assaults , thus saving populations massacre well 20 remainder 19th century , particularly greek turkish war 1897 , jews remained greece areas athens , , , corfu suffered severe persecution massacre , forcing thousands ottoman territory , particularly salonica izmir 21 page 193 \( last paragraph \) inclusion treaty berlin providing protection jewish muslim minorities southeastern europe stimulated popular anti semitic anti muslim countries involved , blood libel accusations used pretexts attacking jewish quarters well new tactics jewish , merchants professionals , movement quickly adapted christian major cities ottoman empire , greeks correctly regarded jews supporters turks , jews turks expelled countries equally atrocious brutal manners property plundered homes shops taken without compensation , survivors fled desperation edirne istanbul official statements subsequently issued granting equal rights jews , little done fact continued persecuted regularly well twentieth century page 194 \( last paragraph \) things much better elsewhere southeastern europe greek islands agean eastern mediterranean jews corfu subjected severe persecution local greeks due revival old ritual murder accusations 26 many survived found refuge ottoman territory help popular subscription drive carried istanbul leadership 1881 , 1903 , thousands jews came ottoman territory result pogroms russia went 1881 1921 slight periods 1899 jewish families arrived istanbul flight persecution , independent bulgaria conquest ottoman thrace macedonia greek bulgarian forces balkan wars \( 1912 13 \) , including salonica , corlu , edirne , followed general attacks jews , synagogues , homes shops , countries 27 , resulting renewed exodus toward istanbul beyond two reports salonica graphically described situation caused invading armies 'all self interested justifications newspapers europe , lies used cover truth , never destroy impression terrible anguish marked entry greeks salonica week terror horror one never easily forget cruelly feel today damage explosion hatred \( greek \) population done cause mob shown odious government weak incompetence greek administration horrors inflicted soldiers put terrible situation consuls guaranteed absolute safety muslims , sixty massacred single night ' 28 'it n't irregulars \( \) massacred , pillaged burned soldiers army , chief police , high civil officials took active part events 6 , 000 houses , 4 , 000 burned almost 1 , 200 shops consumed flames destructive bombs \( jewish \) population lost , without even anything wear despair everyone wants ' 29 page 196 result assaults , massacres , forced deportations independent countries southeastern europe , ottoman empire received literally thousands jewish refugees joined muslims survived persecution , flooding empire 14 , \( jerusalem , 1945 \) , pp 42 44 , cited kerem , 'the influence anti semitism jewish immigration patterns greece ottoman empire 19th , pp 2 , 14 15 , sur la grece , pour de la guerre de \( 2 vols , paris , \) , pp 5 19 galante , et \( istanbul , 1932 \) , 76 77 16 rev hughes , travels greece albania \( 2nd edn , 2 vols , london , 1830 \) , ii , 194 95 17 rev john hartley , greece levant \( london , \) , 207 , quoted kerem , 'jewish immigration patterns greece ottoman empire nineteenth , published paper delivered international d'etudes pre et , viii symposium , making transmission authority turkic system' , university minnesota , minneapolis , minnesota , 14 19 august 1988 , p 4 18 hartley , ibid , pp 206 7 , william martin , travels northern greece \( 2 vols , london , 1835 \) ii , 231 32 , 609 , athens auschwitz \( athens , 1983 \) , p ix , quoted kerem , ibid , p 14 19 documented kerem , ibid , pp 14 19 pearl l , jews corfu \( greece \) , unpublished ph dissertation , new york university , 1984 , history greek revolution \( london , 1861 \) , 172 , 179 86 see also , ej vii , 876 77 20 , ee thessaloniki ton tis \( salonica , 1946 \) , pp 19 35 kerem , outline history jews \( hebrew \) \( museum kibbutz , , 1985 \) , p 21 , quoted kerem , ibid , p 15 21 kerem , ibid , pp 8 12 , 'the persecution , times \( london \) , 16 may aiu , 19 october 1898 , aiu , grece viii b 34 , \( \) aiu , 23 august 4 september , , grece , serie , 18 , et 2e , \( \) aiu , 5 june , aiu grece , c 22 aiu aiu , 23 june 5 july 1897 , aiu , grece ii b 16 jewish community leaders aiu , 3 march , 1897 , aiu , grece viii b 35 26 pearl l , jews corfu \( greece \) , unpublished ph dissertation , new york university , 1984 27 leon , farewell salonica portrait era \( new york , 1946 \) edgar , et les \( paris , , 1989 \) , 55 67 paul , 'the social structure jewish community salonica end nineteenth , southeastern europe v \( 1979 \) , 33 72 galante , viii , 18 21 , pp 178 80 28 cohen , ecole moise allatini , salonica , aiu , paris , 7 , 4 december 1912 , aiu archives c 49 29 , president aiu salonica , aiu \( paris \) , 3 , 25 july 1913 aiu archives \( paris \) c 51 \( aiu alliance israelite universelle , paris \) need go \? serdar argic 'we closed roads mountain passes might serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ' \( ohanus appressian 1919 \) 'in soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul ' \( sahak melkonian 1920 \)
gwm spl1 spl loral com \( gary w mahan \) subject lexus infiniti organization loral software productivity laboratory lines 7 n't numbers car names engine size liters \? e ls400 4 engine , sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe q45 4 \( similar , kinda , bmw mb deal \) note bmw doesnt always follow convention example , 1980 1 8 liter engine 1979 2 0 liter
oaf zurich ai mit edu \( oded feingold \) subject friends p , send greetings organization artificial intelligence lab lines 1 reply oaf zurich ai mit edu nntp posting host klosters ai mit edu reply chip ucdavis edu 's message thu , 6 may 1993 22 47 00 gmt outrage ! n't even dog
gtd597a prism gatech edu \( hrivnak \) subject goalie mask poll update 4 22 93 summary keep sending votes ! ! ! organization georgia institute technology lines 38 curtis joseph ray leblanc made big moves poll recently hextall shown strong movement well kirk mclean tom barrasso \( ca n't see \) added list recently keep sending votes current votes favorite goalie masks \( 3pts 1st , 2nd , 3rd \) player team pts votes 1 ed belfour chicago 32 15 curtis joseph st louis 32 13 3 andy moog boston 30 13 4 brian hayward san jose 26 10 5 ron hextall quebec 16 8 6 grant fuhr buffalo 12 5 7 gerry cheevers boston \( retired \) 11 6 8 john ny rangers 10 4 9 ray leblanc usa olympic 7 3 10 mike richter ny rangers 6 3 11 manon rheaume atlanta \( ihl \) 5 2 12 beaupre washington 4 2 ken dryden montreal \( retired \) 4 2 others receiving less mike vernon \( cal \) , clint malarchuk \( buf sd , ihl \) , tommy soderstrom \( phil \) , tom barrasso \( pit \) , irbe \( sj \) , tim cheveldae \( det \) , sean burke \( nj \) , rick wamsley \( tor , ret \) , jon casey \( minn \) , bob essensa \( win \) , glenn healy \( nyi \) , tony \( chi \) , gilles \( bos \) , rod stauber \( la \) , \( mtl nyr \) , pat jablonski \( tb \) , grant fuhr \( tor \) , felix potvin \( tor \) , stephane beauregard \( win \) , mark fitzpatrick \( nyi \) , chico \( nyi \) , kirk mclean \( van \) go skins ! next question emotional music quite go braves ! effect \? mike patton , faith go hornets ! go capitals ! mike friedman \( hrivnak fan ! \) internet gtd597a prism gatech edu
willmore iastate edu \( david willmore \) subject ide vs scsi organization iowa state university , ames ia lines 61 wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca \( wayne smith \) writes wayne amtower spacecoast org writes ide also uses dma techniques believe floppy controller also uses dma , boards also use dma dma big deal , nothing directly scsi simple 25 style ide controller use dma cpu performs data transfer string move instruction requires cpu stop transfer data smart drive controllers , ide scsi , transfer via dma controllers tend cost wether ide scsi get dma benefits , ide must sacrifice 's price advantage controller example , formatting tape , command issued controller bus released allow access devices bus greatly increases productivity , least , something else backing hard drive \) happens reading group thank software dos brains , could format floppies etc something else hardware support , dos \( least \) wo n't , nothing scsi floppies n't ide bus , arguement makes sense , n't ide issue processor controller board handles commands difference ide scsi scsi intelligent controller depend cpu fewer things , e ide drives needing processor transfer data long story , still use ide 486 except cdrom , thanks scsi , move machines , , scsi better standardized supported ibm clone machines , plan completely get rid ide stick dos 'll wonder ca n't ask ca n't unix os 2 type os miraculous things ide harddrive \( single \) scsi hard drive callback mechanism cpu make requests devices scsi bus go business later , device done , issues callback say data arrived function completed scsi cards also dma data memory without cpu , therefore allowing continue working ide supports concept callback see would win multitasking system \? david willmore willmore iastate edu death better dead greek david willmore ever noticed much look like \? lovely !
subject crypto papers net pgut1 cs aukuni ac nz \( peter gutmann \) organization computer science dept university auckland lines 26 c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu c445585 mizzou1 missouri edu \( john kelsey \) writes 've recently reading paper merkle 's \( net , think \) discussing three potential replacements des ever done \? khufu , khafre , snefru still discussed anywhere \? \( know snefru referenced rsa faq , think may also sci crypt faq \) paper distributed \( wishes nsa copy footnotes \) , eventually published one crypto conferences things looking good xerox patented algorithms ! n't know anything uses also , khafre broken later conference work related algorithm n't think existing khufu would hold well converted differential cryptanalysis attack , although probably changed resist type attack peter case n't know , check new hacker 's dictionary 's sound someone makes fall bottom killfile
iris wpafb af mil \( randy \) subject third party monitor iisi organization model based vision lab , wright laboratory lines 19 nntp posting host optic nerve wpafb af mil x newsreader tin version 1 1 pl8 's deal pds slot iisi \? recently purchased mac iisi want add non apple monitor system told could buy 90 degree pds nubus adaptor card fit standard nubus card computer mistaken buy pds monitor card specifically iisi \? 've seen pds monitor cards si , seem expensive , i'm exactly made money ideas \? help clue ! randy l barney must die need somebody shove disclaimer opinions expressed mine anyone else 's
livesey solntze wpd sgi com \( jon livesey \) subject societally acceptable behavior organization sgi lines 21 distribution world nntp posting host solntze wpd sgi com article 10h news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes citation ksu ksu edu citation ksu ksu edu \( jonathan w newton \) writes article c5qgm3 dl8 news cso uiuc edu , cobb alexia lis uiuc edu \( mike cobb \) writes merely question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides important n't seem right want kill , decide \? sounds though confused want think morally right jon
schauf iastate edu \( brian j schaufenbuel \) subject monitors nanao \? organization iowa state university , ames , ia lines 34 article netcom com netcom com \( keh cheng chu \) writes article c5uw1t 3hi eskimo com johnn eskimo com \( john navitsky \) writes would like monitor handle high resolutions like 1024x1024 ni want high resolution monitor monitor need large \( 17 \) meets brief requirements outlined 've happy 16 suns could probably cope smaller home i'm interested anyone details high quality sony hitatchi monitors since seem used sun 's fairly often look pretty good \( least \) n't seem brought c p h often mag viewsonic give new viewsonic 17 good look seen side side old viewsonic 7 , mag 17 , nanao 17 \( trinitron one \) , sony oem 17 \( trinitron tube \) new viewsonic beat easily terms picture quality , think far superior 16 sun staring place asks 1178 would bought bought 15 nanao week earlier \( keh cheng tube viewsonic 17 use \? support 1600x1280 \? 've looking philips 1762dt uses sony trinitron tube , digital controls , supports , 25mm dot pitch found 1000 brian schaufenbuel brian j schaufenbuel art one government sooner learns 3644 halsted draining money pockets ames , ia people especially college students adam smith
lead egr msu edu \( gregory hall \) subject wings news playoff thoughts organization college engineering , michigan state university lines 16 distribution world nntp posting host lead egr msu edu far cheveldae concerned , decent goalie logical trade offseason would detroit ny rangers i'm sure beezer would traded would enjoy opportunity go back roots detroit would valuable asset wings perhaps rangers could get zombo return \? beezer got good years opportunity get fresh start would play problem zombo traded st louis last year goalie vincent riendeau think chevy among elite class goalies , adequate given offensive firepower wings greg
bobbe vice \( robert beauchaine 6086 59 323 lp \) subject asimov stamp organization tektronix inc , beaverton , lines 22 article schnitzi eustis schnitzi eustis cs ucf edu \( mark schnitzius \) writes i'm sure religious types would get due asimov 's atheism atheists stamps \? due discussion group time ago , theists would likely take asimov quote context paint biggest bible , god , atheist christian ever laid eyes right einstein bob beauchaine bobbe vice ico tek com said queens could stay , blew bronx away , sank manhattan sea
egreen east sun com \( ed green pixel cruncher \) subject point helmet law point organization sun microsystems , rtp , nc lines 37 distribution world reply egreen east sun com nntp posting host laser east sun com article 5967 prcrs prc com , terry prcrs prc com \( terry cunningham \) writes know law , either books proposed , bans motorcycles place want go really see problem banning places n't want go \? heard , discussed non motorcycling persons , read popular movement , either country whole , states , motorcycles talk somebody insurance industry , particularly drinks talk mom \( booze required \) \) one thing , public misinformed state , others posting correct situation \? ever heard dod \? \) ever since hit teens found terrible wrongs right , attitudes blah , blah , blah fortunately , grew ! \) nah , became long little quarter acre safe , get little tax deduction , act government , direct obvious way , little day day life , n't give shit ed green , former ninjaite drinking last night biker , ed green east sun com showed picture said , dod 0111 \( 919 \) 460 8302 go , get know , 'll like ! \( grateful dead \) seemed like least could
subject hypodermic needle eis calstate edu \( becky olsen \) organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 7 hi , term paper syringe found information said charles invented hypodermic needle , also found alexander wood invented anyone know one , anyone else \? anymore information could please send thank much becky olsen
magnus acs ohio state edu \( shane \) subject wanted ph seagate organization ohio state university lines 15 nntp posting host magnusug magnus acs ohio state edu seagate hard drive need info specific information anyone ph seagate technology , inc \? \( bbs setup drive info , like maxtor , 'll take ! \) thanks ! apple ii forever ! ! go bucks ! play ! ! raging bullwinkle ! shane cis osu net magnus acs ohio state edu root tap colum org nextmail shane kiwi ohio state edu gs call p bbs 614 297 16 8k ds hst 425 megs gs
com \( james davies \) subject clipper considered harmful restated amplified organization cray computer corporation lines 19 article 1993apr26 3570 wdl loral com koontzd phobos lrmsc loral com \( david koontz \) writes clipper also allows extraordinary opportunity criminal conceal use super encryption automated full system surveillance mechanism \( quite feasible across radio bandwidth \) knows family key f , validate clipper wrappers n esn associations , cannot reveal realtime use super encryption , unless knows unit keys , assured made available two separate pieces , upon specific wiretap like order serial number 64 bit block , 34 bit filler n't take lot check see correct yes , extra encryption could applied message encrypted clipper , wrapper would fine , phone 's serial number session key would law enforcement field , etc , message would n't readable even particular clipper 's key obtained escrow agents fact , n't even possible detect message double encrypted without court order , right \?
jlinder magnus acs ohio state edu \( jeffrey linder \) subject kyle k rodney king nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization ohio state university distribution usa lines 46 article 1993apr19 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes article m15 news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( koppenhoefer kyle cramm \) writes thf2 kimbark uchicago edu \( ted frank \) writes article c5lp0y fdk news cso uiuc edu kkopp uxh cso uiuc edu \( er kyle cramm \) writes fact bunch cops putting lives line day day afraid hell large black guy tha took large amount punishment refused submit \? i'm curious think particular adjective important black descriptive adjective describes mr king many newspaper , radio , tv news reports seen , adjective commonly front name never seen anyone complain use adjective used benign manner say mr king good black ! know mr king would make without evidence effect used purely descriptive adjective manner many \( \) news people used past one questioning whether mr king black question arises whether king 's race make police officers afraid hell statement seems imply cops different standard large black guys large guys general original poster never said afraid king black fact officers afraid king , color skin , mr frank read phrase large black man cried racism typical knee jerk fashion \( others , suspect \) get past problem maybe real problems issue discussed two posts later n't understand anyone pointed use adjective almost informative original use ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu i'm sorry , card says moops u c law school standard disclaimers jsl
mwilson ncratl atlantaga ncr com \( mark wilson \) subject new study gay percentage organization ncr engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta , ga lines 20 1993apr20 cs nott ac uk eczcaw mips nott ac uk \( wainwright \) writes article optilink com , cramer optilink com \( clayton cramer \) writes yes rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes , requiring hire , rent , otherwise associate homosexual , yes , face homosexuals stop trying impose morals , face post based premise laws stand discriminate anybody , argument falls immediately try eliminate discrimination existing laws instead trying add discrimination favors group mob rule n't prettier merely mob calls government ai n't charity using someone else 's money wilson 's theory relativity go back far enough , 're related mark wilson atlantaga ncr com
ccastco prism gatech edu \( costas malamas \) subject windows 3 1 vs communication distribution usa organization georgia institute technology lines 29 article lee seas ucla edu victorf wright seas ucla edu \( victor friedman \) writes anybody tell exactly windows 3 1 com ports \? \? \? ca n't run single communication program windows \? procomm , , neither respond modem commands connection finally established , although i'm still able manage \( victorf seas ucla edu \) one problems w win 3 1 personally run telix 3 2 dos windows fine \( 've waiting win version \) \) , admit exception rule tried installing various dos comm progs machines , w big problems stuff lookout 1 \) always run prog thru pif , never calling exe , 2 \) pif always toggle lock application memory actually something ms points readme wri file , especially critical downloading 3 \) go ctrl panel 386 enh check com ports help u w debugging thing 's 4 \) check u running mouse com port 5 \) check com port addresses bios setup ctrl panel ports \( setup \? \) advanced might help u yu still problems , get 100 buy procomm win , \) hope helps somehow costas malamas georgia institute technology oit ua oit n't pay enough share opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu
poe wharton upenn edu subject bios fix diamond ss24x organization university pennsylvania lines 8 nntp posting host fred wharton upenn edu hello world posts 've heard bugs drivers hear diamond ships bios replacements people , fixes lot problems well new drivers anyone tell get mine \? thanks advance phil poe wharton upenn edu